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| iophk | http://www.uvureview.com/2013/09/07/linux-is-clearly-the-superior-operating-system/ | Sep 08 09:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.uvureview.com | Linux is clearly the superior operating system - UVU Review [ http://ur1.ca/ffbxq ] | Sep 08 09:25 |
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| way2strong | I'm a big Linux fan but that UVU Review article is horrible | Sep 08 11:01 |
| way2strong | KDE barebones? Viruses are impossible on Linux? | Sep 08 11:03 |
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| sebsebseb | Sep 08 16:27 | |
| sebsebseb | hi iophk | Sep 08 16:29 |
| iophk | sebsebseb: hi | Sep 08 16:47 |
| iophk | any progress on the installfest? | Sep 08 16:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what was that UEFI secue boot and OPen SUse link you gave me yesterday for example? | Sep 08 16:54 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/2013/07/06/microsoft-in-linux/ | Sep 08 16:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Novell/SUSE is Microsoft in Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ejw9u ] | Sep 08 16:55 |
| iophk | I'm not sure which ones were for UEFI | Sep 08 16:55 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/2013/07/09/uefi-servers/ | Sep 08 16:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Microsoft Linux (SUSE) is Pushing Microsoft-controlled Restricted Boot, Advancing It on Servers Too | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/el0b5 ] | Sep 08 16:55 |
| iophk | These two have multiple posts : http://techrights.org/category/slessled/ | Sep 08 16:57 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/category/opensuse/ | Sep 08 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | SLES/SLED | Techrights | Sep 08 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | OpenSUSE | Techrights | Sep 08 16:57 |
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| iophk | http://techrights.org/2011/07/25/another-suse-soft-bribe/ | Sep 08 17:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | 100,000,000 Reasons to Boycott SUSE | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/4sebx ] | Sep 08 17:34 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: right,but those are schtewoitz's links | Sep 08 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | his opinion | Sep 08 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | haven't read the other two yet by the way | Sep 08 18:06 |
| iophk | yes, but there are external links | Sep 08 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and he's been anti Suse many years now | Sep 08 18:06 |
| iophk | yes, because Suse turned against FOSS by joining with M$ | Sep 08 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | and he's also obbssed about writing controversal blog posts here and there | Sep 08 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | ,but is now having a break from stuffl ike that it seems, for some reason | Sep 08 18:07 |
| iophk | http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/2005/1114nw2.html | Sep 08 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.networkworld.com | Why did SuSE Linux's founder resign from Novell? [ http://ur1.ca/ffjs8 ] | Sep 08 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | in other news NOia is now owended by Microsfot competly | Sep 08 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | or the mobile phone department anyway | Sep 08 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | going by news | Sep 08 18:07 |
| iophk | The mobile dept is owned by M$ now. | Sep 08 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | going by BBC Click that is | Sep 08 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | so Nokia is pretty much dead now then | Sep 08 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Sep 08 18:08 |
| iophk | It's dead. | Sep 08 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | or finnished as they were joking about on Click on tha thing | Sep 08 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | it's finnished | Sep 08 18:08 |
| iophk | :) | Sep 08 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | so maybe Microsfot barnding only on those phones from now on then? | Sep 08 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | no NOkia branding anymore? | Sep 08 18:08 |
| iophk | Nokia branding on top of M$ product | Sep 08 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | yeah or that | Sep 08 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Sep 08 18:09 |
| iophk | The name stays on the phones for some years | Sep 08 18:09 |
| iophk | bad | Sep 08 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | the Nokia name you mean? | Sep 08 18:09 |
| iophk | yes | Sep 08 18:09 |
| iophk | The Suse problem may be a few years old, but the status is the same. | Sep 08 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | ah well bye bye Nokia | Sep 08 18:10 |
| iophk | There is Newkia and Jolla now. | Sep 08 18:10 |
| iophk | I hope they take off. | Sep 08 18:10 |
| iophk | Jolla has Sailfish and Newkia will use Android | Sep 08 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | yes I know about Jolla talk to women at the stand at FOSDEM :) | Sep 08 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | back in Feb | Sep 08 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | for thato ne | Sep 08 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | not sure about Newkia htough | Sep 08 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | or that's the oen where loasd of NOkia employees we4nt to as well? | Sep 08 18:10 |
| iophk | I would think about newkia that Tizen or other Gnu/Linux would be better. | Sep 08 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | Android 4.4 KitKat | Sep 08 18:11 |
| iophk | There is enough Android/Linux on the market already | Sep 08 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | that's the next one | Sep 08 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | found that out from Click to | Sep 08 18:11 |
| iophk | Key Lime Pie was about 1000% better name | Sep 08 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | made me want to have a kit kat at the time, but none here, and this has reminded me | Sep 08 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | so might go buy some a bit later | Sep 08 18:11 |
| iophk | I have no access to key limes. | Sep 08 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | yum kit kat's :d | Sep 08 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Sep 08 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly Nestle have done some quite bad stuff in the past though | Sep 08 18:12 |
| iophk | and in the present | Sep 08 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | not sure about the present | Sep 08 18:12 |
| iophk | but some of the stuff in the past was very evil | Sep 08 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I got one thing in mind | Sep 08 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | ,but what do you have in mind? | Sep 08 18:12 |
| iophk | mostly the infant formula scandals | Sep 08 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | yep the baby milk | Sep 08 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking of that to | Sep 08 18:13 |
| iophk | that goes back decades | Sep 08 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | something about it being in un clean water or whatever it was | Sep 08 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | or being sold, and then put into unclean water, and they didn't care or something | Sep 08 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: do you buy Netsle stuff now? | Sep 08 18:14 |
| iophk | yes and given 'samples' that would last long enough for the mother's milk to dry up | Sep 08 18:14 |
| iophk | no I don't buy it but that is mostly out of habit not boycott any more. | Sep 08 18:14 |
| iophk | I'd prefer to buy key limes | Sep 08 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | whats' key limes ? | Sep 08 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | may not have that here | Sep 08 18:14 |
| iophk | It's a type of lime | Sep 08 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Sep 08 18:15 |
| iophk | It's more yellow and smaller | Sep 08 18:15 |
| iophk | makes great pie ;) | Sep 08 18:15 |
| iophk | It's really good with merengue on top | Sep 08 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | hmm choclate and such for me today or not is the thing :d | Sep 08 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking of going to the local shop a bit later | Sep 08 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | and it's dark in uhmm aabou two hours | Sep 08 18:15 |
| iophk | how did the planning for the installfest progess since last? | Sep 08 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: might be able to get some stuff sent for your beloved Open Suse :d | Sep 08 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | I have a contact | Sep 08 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | that someone recommended | Sep 08 18:17 |
| iophk | Still better to stick with two distros for the simplicity | Sep 08 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I know | Sep 08 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | we need to discuss this kind of stuff properly in person the 17th | Sep 08 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | so waiting for that mainly now, but will contact a musuem tommorw probably | Sep 08 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | that had this mini makers fair at | Sep 08 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: other guy recommended agaisnt single boots that I was chatting to | Sep 08 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | I agree going with a single boot is kind of risky | Sep 08 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | then they get home, and something doesnt' work etc | Sep 08 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | on the other hand going with a single boot makes things easier for us so hmm | Sep 08 18:19 |
| iophk | that's why it is good to test on site before unplugging | Sep 08 18:19 |
| iophk | walk them through the distro a little | Sep 08 18:19 |
| iophk | have them install a token app | Sep 08 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | a what app ? | Sep 08 18:19 |
| iophk | something non-essential that can be fun or useful | Sep 08 18:20 |
| iophk | but that is in the repository | Sep 08 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | if they undersatnd that may have to set up their printer or scanner up differently | Sep 08 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | or that it might not work at all | Sep 08 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | then I guess single boot is ok | Sep 08 18:20 |
| iophk | for KDE, I used to have people test their package manager skills by having them install Kstars | Sep 08 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | if they are like well ok | Sep 08 18:20 |
| iophk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_lime_pie | Sep 08 18:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Key lime pie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ffk09 ] | Sep 08 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | not so much installing software | Sep 08 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | more so the hardware stuff | Sep 08 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | and any very speicifc programs that require WIndows | Sep 08 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | those are the potential siseus | Sep 08 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise could end up wtih a Xandros on the EEE PC type issue | Sep 08 18:21 |
| iophk | You should walk each new user through using the package manager. Which one does Mageia use? | Sep 08 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | loads of the computers coming back, but in this case them coming for us for help to put W indwos back on or wahtever maybe | Sep 08 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | or them coming b ack asking for more help even if they signed whatever | Sep 08 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't think dual booting with WIndows | Sep 08 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | acstauly does cause that much problems | Sep 08 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | if done right :) | Sep 08 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | for example with Vista or Windows 7 you let it re size itsel first usauly :) | Sep 08 18:22 |
| iophk | dual booting will lead to them trying to waste your time on windows problems | Sep 08 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | yeah it's a diffiuclt ones the pros and cons of single boot or dual boot | Sep 08 18:22 |
| iophk | You'll have to boot Windows first just to verify they have a working system. That alone means wasting valuable time and resources on Windows. | Sep 08 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | maybe the goal should be more having people seieng stuff, and thinking this is interesting | Sep 08 18:23 |
| iophk | Then if it's broken they'll want you to fix it before the dual boot install. | Sep 08 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | if they install it or not at the vent with us, that's another thing | Sep 08 18:23 |
| iophk | That's not just a waste of time, that's working for Bill for free. | Sep 08 18:23 |
| iophk | Slave labor. | Sep 08 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | hyaving WInodws can be useful fsometimes though to test hardware or whatever | Sep 08 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | how many Desktop Linux users honely | Sep 08 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | go single boot now? | Sep 08 18:24 |
| iophk | I though Linux works on more hardware than Windows | Sep 08 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | I Think you'll find most have Windows on there computer as well | Sep 08 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | to test a hardware fault, if having two OS's, can be useful to test if tget same issue in both OS's | Sep 08 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | I think dual boot can be ok, if we make it clear, we will help re size it, and that's about it | Sep 08 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | we won't do much else with it | Sep 08 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | we are not going to spend time fixing your WIndows install | Sep 08 18:25 |
| iophk | They can try to claim you broke it even if it wasn't working when they came in. | Sep 08 18:25 |
| iophk | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061221081000710 | Sep 08 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | hmm that's a point | Sep 08 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Jeremy Allison Has Resigned from Novell to Protest MS Patent Deal [ http://ur1.ca/ffk3u ] | Sep 08 18:26 |
| iophk | I'd say Nuke-It-From-Orbit. | Sep 08 18:26 |
| iophk | Those that want to keep Windows get a Live DVD or live USB instead. | Sep 08 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | yep can show them what to do with the live though | Sep 08 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but for acstual installs should make sure people really know what they are getting them selves into first | Sep 08 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | and single boots | Sep 08 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Sep 08 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | they can look at someone elses computer having a single boot to it done I guess anyway | Sep 08 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | maybe we can have another form though | Sep 08 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | if we are keeping WIndows.... sign this one | Sep 08 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | for example no claiming that we broke Windows on purpouse | Sep 08 18:29 |
| iophk | Keeping Windows and aiming for dual boot exceeds my risk threshold. | Sep 08 18:29 |
| iophk | What is the package manager that Mageia uses? Is it Synaptic? | Sep 08 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | nope rpmdrake | Sep 08 18:29 |
| iophk | for the GUI? | Sep 08 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | a old thing that Mandriva has used for many years, then Mageia to etc | Sep 08 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | yes rpmdrake is the GUI | Sep 08 18:30 |
| iophk | is there a fun or interesting package you know of that is not in the base Mageia installation? | Sep 08 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | sure | Sep 08 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | Tux Paint ? | Sep 08 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Sep 08 18:32 |
| iophk | Ok. | Sep 08 18:32 |
| iophk | I'd recommend walking the new users through installing Tux paint. | Sep 08 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | it's aimed at kids | Sep 08 18:32 |
| iophk | Have them do all the clicking and mouse work. | Sep 08 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that is a fun program :) | Sep 08 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | fun drawing program | Sep 08 18:32 |
| iophk | Nice. | Sep 08 18:33 |
| iophk | It can be anything to demo the package manager. | Sep 08 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | really the educational suites are quite good to really | Sep 08 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | gcompris chilsdplay etc | Sep 08 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Sep 08 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | may be going over the line with adults :d | Sep 08 18:33 |
| iophk | People have to see hands on how easy it is to find and install packages on Linux | Sep 08 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | if doing those, but tuxpaint shoul be alright :) | Sep 08 18:33 |
| MisterE | JimmyCarter: what? | Sep 08 18:34 |
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| iophk | http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/08/20387949-107-year-old-man-shot-and-killed-by-arkansas-police | Sep 08 20:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | usnews.nbcnews.com | 107-year-old man shot and killed by Arkansas police - U.S. News [ http://ur1.ca/fflu5 ] | Sep 08 20:00 |
| iophk | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57601883-38/nsa-can-reportedly-tap-smartphone-users-data/ | Sep 08 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.cnet.com | NSA can reportedly tap smartphone users' data | Politics and Law - CNET News [ http://ur1.ca/fflvf ] | Sep 08 20:02 |
| MinceR | geekings | Sep 08 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: 107 is old | Sep 08 20:20 |
| iophk | It's up there | Sep 08 20:21 |
| iophk | he was active too | Sep 08 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | he could have lived longer though | Sep 08 20:21 |
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| sebsebseb | yep well enough to shot a gun it seems | Sep 08 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | going by that articl | Sep 08 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | e | Sep 08 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: by the way I think with install fest doing single installs | Sep 08 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: could be like thorwign someone into the deep end of the swimming pool | Sep 08 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | so hmm | Sep 08 20:22 |
| iophk | Nah. Linux is easier to use than Windows. | Sep 08 20:23 |
| iophk | If you try dual boot you have the problems I mentioned earlier today and yesterday. | Sep 08 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | they may haesoftware that doenst' just work or hardware to etc | Sep 08 20:23 |
| iophk | Windows = waste of time | Sep 08 20:23 |
| iophk | If people don't want single boot, they can have a Live DVD | Sep 08 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | and dual boot them selves you mean? | Sep 08 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | at home | Sep 08 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Sep 08 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | or hopefuly | Sep 08 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | or maybe even at our LUG meeting if they come with a backup? :d | Sep 08 20:24 |
| iophk | If you fit Windows into the equation you will end up wasting time working with it or around it. | Sep 08 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | and if not may end up having people who weren't happy with their Linux distro installs later on so hmm | Sep 08 20:25 |
| iophk | The people that need hand-holding with Mageia will not be able to do much with WIndows either | Sep 08 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I guess | Sep 08 20:25 |
| iophk | The whole idea is to get them *started* with Linux. | Sep 08 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | yep true | Sep 08 20:26 |
| iophk | Do the install for them and then talk them through installing Tux Paint as they do it. | Sep 08 20:26 |
| iophk | Hands on helps them learn | Sep 08 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | to install stuff need Internet or own repo's yep | Sep 08 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | what if get someone wo is like | Sep 08 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | oh I like the look of this reffering to Unity | Sep 08 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but also KDE or whatever | Sep 08 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | put Kubuntu on as well for them? or say Mageia and Ubutu? | Sep 08 20:27 |
| iophk | K.I.S.S. | Sep 08 20:28 |
| iophk | Mageia or Ubuntu | Sep 08 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | yeah so if they like KDE as well, they could have Kubuntu installed into Ubuntu ? | Sep 08 20:28 |
| iophk | If they want KDE or XFCE then Mageia. If they want Unity, then Ubuntu | Sep 08 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | and if they want Unity and something else, Ubuntu ? | Sep 08 20:29 |
| iophk | If you want to add Kubuntu to the mix, that uses the same repos as Ubuntu so that works | Sep 08 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | and if they want both distrso for some rason I guess can dual boot them then :d | Sep 08 20:29 |
| iophk | As mentioned yesterday, you can have two different KDE demos with very different appearance and customization to drive home the point that it can (should /must) be customized. | Sep 08 20:29 |
| iophk | XFCE is more for those that are unlikely to change the defaults. | Sep 08 20:30 |
| iophk | The demo stations can work to showcase the DEs | Sep 08 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | yes demo staitons more so to show de's than distros | Sep 08 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | can put in Open Suse for example to show KDE as well to make the Open Suse guy happy :d | Sep 08 20:31 |
| iophk | Now you are teasing. | Sep 08 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | for demo staiotns we could have whatever distros really | Sep 08 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | we just need to decide on installs what ot actsauly install | Sep 08 20:32 |
| iophk | Best to use the same distro on the demo stations as you are installing. | Sep 08 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | yep true :) | Sep 08 20:32 |
| iophk | What about the slide show? | Sep 08 20:32 |
| iophk | You have a projector in the room. | Sep 08 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | well if going for that room yes | Sep 08 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | don't know yet | Sep 08 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that would be used to show stuff though | Sep 08 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | slide show and yeah | Sep 08 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | TV's in that room too, two of them | Sep 08 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | ,but as I say not sure if going with that room yet or not | Sep 08 20:34 |
| iophk | If you use that room you could have Big Buck Bunny or some other blender work running on the tv | Sep 08 20:34 |
| iophk | On the projector the slide show could cover the top applications and their uses. | Sep 08 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | Blender work | Sep 08 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | you mean a video made | Sep 08 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | with Blender ? | Sep 08 20:35 |
| iophk | yes | Sep 08 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | a movie ? | Sep 08 20:35 |
| iophk | yes there were several movies if I recall correctly | Sep 08 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | I know there are some out there, but not sure what quite | Sep 08 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | aso there are two plasma TV's | Sep 08 20:35 |
| iophk | http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/movies/ | Sep 08 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.blender.org | blender.org - Movies [ http://ur1.ca/ffmg7 ] | Sep 08 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | I haven't thought of that, but that's an idea | Sep 08 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | could show them movies made using open source | Sep 08 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Sep 08 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | have those running through the hours? | Sep 08 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | use the projectector for a presentaiton | Sep 08 20:36 |
| iophk | If you show the movies, you'll want a piece of paper explaining that the movies were made fully with FOSS software start to end. | Sep 08 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | and the TV's to show a movie or more ? | Sep 08 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed at that :) | Sep 08 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | projectecter can keep on showing a slide show | Sep 08 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | for hours | Sep 08 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | and the TV's can show a movie or more | Sep 08 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | ,but we will want sound for that movie or some at least ? | Sep 08 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not to loud then ? | Sep 08 20:36 |
| iophk | maybe some sound but turned way down | Sep 08 20:37 |
| iophk | so that people have to go up to the tv to hear it | Sep 08 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe a few chairs around there to then | Sep 08 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | so people can watch it more properly ? | Sep 08 20:37 |
| iophk | you don't want it interfering with the talking at the demo stations or at the install stations | Sep 08 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | yep, but as a side thing could be good | Sep 08 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I should show you the photo of the room I been on about | Sep 08 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | yeah microphone welcome and ending thing | Sep 08 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | projecter sowing a slide show about distros | Sep 08 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | TV's a movie? | Sep 08 20:39 |
| iophk | yes | Sep 08 20:39 |
| iophk | Have you been keeping notes on ideas? | Sep 08 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | no | Sep 08 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | got stuf in my head after chat's etc though | Sep 08 20:40 |
| iophk | Written notes are essential for planning whether on paper or on the computer. | Sep 08 20:40 |
| iophk | Otherwise you'll go in circles or leave something out. | Sep 08 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | oh I got chat logs though :) | Sep 08 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | for IRC stuff | Sep 08 20:42 |
| iophk | yes but they need to be distilled down to the key points | Sep 08 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | network set up | Sep 08 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | distros, debate about singel or dual boot | Sep 08 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | if hotel room, uset he projector for a slide show | Sep 08 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | and use the TV's to show a video made in Blender or something | Sep 08 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | maybe on my paper should metnio how films such as Avatar, Titantic and Shrek 3 were all amde with LInux to :) | Sep 08 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | however not with Blender ? | Sep 08 20:43 |
| iophk | Worth mentioning | Sep 08 20:44 |
| iophk | I think it might be rare now to find CGI not done on Linux. | Sep 08 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | they have hteir own propritary stuff, but they use LInux yep | Sep 08 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | maybe a metion some where in thetalk or intro orsomething, about how it's used on servers and upser computers, but the desktop is a bit differnet so.... | Sep 08 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | our event kind of thing | Sep 08 20:44 |
| iophk | that could be in the slide show | Sep 08 20:45 |
| iophk | one slide about super computers | Sep 08 20:45 |
| sebsebseb | one about web servers, Google, Facebook, TWitter etc | Sep 08 20:45 |
| iophk | one slide about cgi in films | Sep 08 20:45 |
| iophk | yes | Sep 08 20:45 |
| sebsebseb | one about robotics and embeded or whatever | Sep 08 20:45 |
| iophk | Google is a big user of Linux kernel and contributes back nowadays too | Sep 08 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | Toytoa using it in in car enteratinemtn, air plane entertainmetn a lot of it is run by Linux etc | Sep 08 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | yep true Google is abig suser, something about Android being Linux to ? | Sep 08 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | the slide show can be quite big | Sep 08 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | if it's going to run all day anyway :d | Sep 08 20:46 |
| iophk | Yes, a slide for Android too | Sep 08 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | just in a loop on the projecter | Sep 08 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Sep 08 20:46 |
| iophk | If you have a minute per slide you can have 30 in a half hour loop and so on | Sep 08 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | the TV's are on the sides on the wall it seems | Sep 08 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | one by the fire door for exmaple | Sep 08 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | and not suer wehre the other one is | Sep 08 20:47 |
| iophk | I saw a bike rack stacked up against a fire door the other day :( :( | Sep 08 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Sep 08 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's a good idea's movies :) | Sep 08 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | and make it clear these were made using the open source Blender 3D moddeling program | Sep 08 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | that can be run in Windows as well though, but man will use with Linux so :d | Sep 08 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | maybe not these people coming to the event, non technical and it has a steep learning curve and all that, but still would be intersting to stuff stuff made using it | Sep 08 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | to show stuff | Sep 08 20:49 |
| iophk | Yes, a small paper poster on A4 under the TV screen can explain that the movies were made with 100% FOSS | Sep 08 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | people generally like movies | Sep 08 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | well some might have been made on Windows for all we know? | Sep 08 20:50 |
| sebsebseb | or Mac ? | Sep 08 20:50 |
| iophk | probably not | Sep 08 20:50 |
| sebsebseb | yeah TV's on the side for Blender movies, projector for slide show | Sep 08 20:50 |
| sebsebseb | microphone for intro and ending | Sep 08 20:50 |
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| sebsebseb | and yeah what we talked about before regarding network set up etc | Sep 08 20:50 |
| sebsebseb | and so on | Sep 08 20:50 |
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| iophk | "For the entire creation pipeline in the studio, we will only use free/open source software" | Sep 08 20:51 |
| iophk | http://www.sintel.org/about/ | Sep 08 20:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.sintel.org | Sintel, the Durian Open Movie Project ยป About | Sep 08 20:51 |
| sebsebseb | got to make the movies into a DVD though our selves I guess for it to play on the DVD player though | Sep 08 20:51 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Sep 08 20:51 |
| iophk | Yes, the shorts can be compiled into a DVD. | Sep 08 20:51 |
| sebsebseb | who is sintel ? | Sep 08 20:51 |
| iophk | Sintel was one of the movies on the link of Blender movies | Sep 08 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok :) | Sep 08 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | there was another one to I think | Sep 08 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | before some open source made free to distriburte film or more, but don't remember what now | Sep 08 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | there's been a few | Sep 08 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | some are two hours movie style | Sep 08 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | or so | Sep 08 20:52 |
| iophk | There was StarWreck or something but I don't know if that was made with FOSS | Sep 08 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I should send a idea's up date type email | Sep 08 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | this evening | Sep 08 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | for the hotel room | Sep 08 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | to other organisers I mean | Sep 08 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: explaining what we talked about | Sep 08 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | so the network set up and so on :) | Sep 08 20:54 |
| iophk | ok | Sep 08 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | obviosuly not decided on a room yet, but I said before how I was learning towards the hotel etc | Sep 08 20:55 |
| iophk | hotel wifi is nothing to depend on for serious use | Sep 08 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | exactly | Sep 08 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | whatever they give us is probably not good enough really for serious use, with downloads and so on | Sep 08 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this would probably the be the case really for most venues | Sep 08 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | just, becuse one guy has gone on hlkday for a week right | Sep 08 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | I still want to carry on with emails etc before the meeting :) | Sep 08 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | not just be dead for a week or so :d | Sep 08 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | tommorwo going ot ring up another venue possible one | Sep 08 20:57 |
| iophk | Can you do a small installfest in December at a college? | Sep 08 20:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ok can you explain about the network set up again etc, we talked about it, but I think I should propse a idea properly into a email :) | Sep 08 20:57 |
| iophk | It can be for students but practice for your team | Sep 08 20:57 |
| sebsebseb | maybe to that don't know yet | Sep 08 20:57 |
| sebsebseb | funding/ sponser, donation | Sep 08 20:58 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think a practice run needs to be done as such, depending on how things are set up etc, | Sep 08 20:58 |
| iophk | The network description can be gleaned from yesterday's logs probably | Sep 08 20:58 |
| iophk | the short of it is that you can't use the hotel net for serious work | Sep 08 20:58 |
| iophk | you'll need a wired LAN for speed | Sep 08 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | yep and may want to use local repo's | Sep 08 20:59 |
| iophk | and you'll need local repositories on that LAN to do netinstalls | Sep 08 20:59 |
| iophk | they will be essential | Sep 08 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | net installs uh ? | Sep 08 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | I meant normal installs | Sep 08 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but using local repo's | Sep 08 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | instead of Internet ? | Sep 08 20:59 |
| iophk | normal/net installs | Sep 08 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | normal installs ,but done with local repo's instead of Internet yeah | Sep 08 20:59 |
| iophk | in a net install, the installation media (dvd, usbstick) gets the process going, but all the data comes from the net | Sep 08 21:00 |
| iophk | in this case it would be from the LAN's local repo | Sep 08 21:00 |
| iophk | It's much faster than DVD or CD if you have a wired connection. | Sep 08 21:00 |
| iophk | Or if you want you can skip the net install and use regular DVDs / USB sticks like you would give the visitors. | Sep 08 21:02 |
| iophk | But it is a bit slower to read from optical media | Sep 08 21:02 |
| iophk | I think USB sticks are slower still | Sep 08 21:02 |
| iophk | and not every computer can boot from USB | Sep 08 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh so these would be net installs? | Sep 08 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | not from the standard ISO's ? | Sep 08 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | I have heard of a net install before, i t's like can send say th kernel from one computer to another | Sep 08 21:05 |
| sebsebseb | the very basic, and then download the rest from that other computer, or something like that | Sep 08 21:05 |
| iophk | yes netinstall, the beginning starts from the ISO | Sep 08 21:08 |
| sebsebseb | I have installed from the classical Magie DVD for example before onto my netbook | Sep 08 21:09 |
| sebsebseb | and I thought I needed the DVD all through or something, but nope it turns out | Sep 08 21:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so I know can do a offline install like that :) starting with the DVD, or so it seems | Sep 08 21:09 |
| sebsebseb | and it can install everything from the DVD to without a Intenret connection it seems yeah like I am saying | Sep 08 21:09 |
| iophk | Yes a full DVD image will allow offline installation | Sep 08 21:09 |
| iophk | that has its merits too | Sep 08 21:09 |
| sebsebseb | yes that's what I mean a full DVD Image | Sep 08 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | ,but instalilng everything form the DVD image can be slow depends | Sep 08 21:10 |
| iophk | maybe that's better for you than setting up repos | Sep 08 21:10 |
| iophk | DVD is slow | Sep 08 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | USB is faster ? | Sep 08 21:10 |
| iophk | there's no way around that | Sep 08 21:10 |
| iophk | USB might be slower | Sep 08 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | I have thought with a DVD install | Sep 08 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | could start off with the DVD, take it out, have someone else use it :d | Sep 08 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | let them finnish off the install in the room or in the lounge or whatever? | Sep 08 21:11 |
| iophk | I use USB for data transfer and it can take ages to read and longer to write | Sep 08 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | we don't need to sit htere with them all through whilst it's instaling | Sep 08 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | can move on to someone else then | Sep 08 21:11 |
| iophk | you'll lose a lot of DVDs that way ;) | Sep 08 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | and they can come back for help at the end | Sep 08 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | no I am saying can use one DVD for more than one person | Sep 08 21:11 |
| iophk | Most of it is psychological. | Sep 08 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | only seem to need it at the very begining of the install, then it's not needed anymore it seems | Sep 08 21:11 |
| MinceR | i doubt that usb flash would be slower than optical media | Sep 08 21:11 |
| iophk | Also you can talk to them about the distro while it is installing | Sep 08 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | sure, but | Sep 08 21:12 |
| MinceR | might depend on the flash, though | Sep 08 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | there's a slide show that does that anyway :) | Sep 08 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | and may be more people to do installs for | Sep 08 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep local repo's or offline instalsl done via DVD | Sep 08 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then they can't try the package manager etc | Sep 08 21:13 |
| sebsebseb | or not as if they were downloading something, but we could have the RPM's for popular programs already there I guess | Sep 08 21:13 |
| sebsebseb | or DEB for Ubuntu or something | Sep 08 21:13 |
| iophk | it's very important that they boot up the new machien themselves and you walk them through installing a package | Sep 08 21:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: we can aim to do everything offline, except for webpages | Sep 08 21:13 |
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| sebsebseb | or we can try and set up local repo's etc | Sep 08 21:13 |
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| iophk | that gets their feet wet in a place where they can ask for help | Sep 08 21:13 |
| sebsebseb | we can do offline instalsl, that finnish off online or with local repo's to I guess ? | Sep 08 21:14 |
| iophk | they don't know always what to click on and will ask for help | Sep 08 21:14 |
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