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| *DaemonFC is considering making an offer on a 2000 Ford Taurus. | Sep 09 04:32 | |
| DaemonFC | I have a 1995 model that I'm currently driving, but the body is falling apart. | Sep 09 04:33 |
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| MisterE | if the engine is strong I dont care how it looks | Sep 09 05:31 |
| MisterE | better to have a crappy car int he city | Sep 09 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4054196770.html | Sep 09 05:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 2000 Ford Taurus $2500 OBO [ http://ur1.ca/ffvqy ] | Sep 09 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | Considering making an offer on it. | Sep 09 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | It looks like it's in good condition. | Sep 09 05:50 |
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| MisterE | hey | Sep 09 06:15 |
| MisterE | is Roy Schestowitz ever around here? | Sep 09 06:15 |
| MisterE | JimmyCarter: what did you say about him, you serious man? | Sep 09 06:15 |
| MisterE | DaemonFC: you can search a lot more markets using this site | Sep 09 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | <MisterE> is Roy Schestowitz ever around here? | Sep 09 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | Haven't seen him lately. | Sep 09 06:17 |
| MisterE | is he? | Sep 09 06:17 |
| MisterE | I have a question about this http://techrights.org/2013/06/28/eff-should-refocus/ | Sep 09 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | My aunt died recently and I haven't been on a lot this week. | Sep 09 06:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Ought to Refocus on Crushing Software Patents, Not Patent Trolls or “Stupid Patents” | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/egrej ] | Sep 09 06:18 |
| MisterE | aww sorry to hear that man | Sep 09 06:18 |
| MisterE | lost my fav aunt recently too | Sep 09 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | Car accident. | Sep 09 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | They're thinking that she had a heart attack or something and fell over onto the accelerator. | Sep 09 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | Clipped the car in front of her, and then went off into the median. | Sep 09 06:19 |
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| DaemonFC | Rolled about 7-8 times. | Sep 09 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | Those Jeep Liberty's are some dangerous vehicles. | Sep 09 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | I kind of wanted one when I saw hers, but not now. | Sep 09 06:20 |
| MisterE | oh jeez indeed | Sep 09 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | They don't have a lot of weight, and they ride up high off the ground, so they're a rollover hazard. | Sep 09 06:20 |
| MisterE | well it sounds like it was quick and painless | Sep 09 06:20 |
| MisterE | I hope thats how I go | Sep 09 06:20 |
| MisterE | yep | Sep 09 06:20 |
| MisterE | like the Isuzu Troopers | Sep 09 06:20 |
| MisterE | I had one of them | Sep 09 06:20 |
| MisterE | king of rollovers | Sep 09 06:21 |
| MisterE | used to get it up on 2 wheels for fun | Sep 09 06:21 |
| MisterE | was old POS | Sep 09 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | After she died, the entire family melted down. | Sep 09 06:21 |
| MisterE | yea unexpected ones are the hardest | Sep 09 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | My grandmother has been even meaner than usual, and my aunt left my cousins so much life insurance money that they started spending it before she was even cold. | Sep 09 06:22 |
| MisterE | my dad was sick and losing one piece at a time, when he stroked out it was a relief | Sep 09 06:22 |
| MisterE | oh shit when it comes to arguing over money left behind families really show their true colors | Sep 09 06:22 |
| MisterE | brothers and sisters turning on each other, it's really shameful | Sep 09 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 09 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | She left them $414,000 EACH. | Sep 09 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | Knowing them, they'll blow it all on stupid shit. | Sep 09 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | After antagonizing the family... | Sep 09 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | They each make about $20 an hour at their jobs and they never have any money. | Sep 09 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't matter how much money some people have, because they always figure out how to waste more. | Sep 09 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | I just thought it was disgusting that their mom had just died and they were planning on what to do with the money a day later. | Sep 09 06:28 |
| MisterE | yep people really show their true colors at those times | Sep 09 07:08 |
| MisterE | and it's often disgraceful | Sep 09 07:09 |
| MisterE | I walked away from mu inheritance from my dad | Sep 09 07:09 |
| MisterE | 7 kids I said "You selfish fuckers can fight over it, don't ever ask me for anything" | Sep 09 07:09 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/police-arrest-alleged-movie-pirate-again-along-with-his-brother-sister-130909/ | Sep 09 10:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Police Arrest Alleged Movie Pirate Again, Along With His Brother & Sister | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/ffz7x ] | Sep 09 10:34 |
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| oiaohm | Looks like Ubuntu is in for Mir hell. | Sep 09 11:45 |
| oiaohm | With Intel refusing to upstream Mir patches. | Sep 09 11:45 |
| iophk | Yeah, there's not much buy-in. | Sep 09 11:47 |
| iophk | What is the case for creating Mir rather than just using Wayland like everyone else plans to? | Sep 09 11:48 |
| amarsh04 | I'm currently on a git-bisect of the kernel as soon after 3.11.0, something broke that made the root filesystem unable to mount | Sep 09 11:48 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: your root filesystem is not lvm by any chance. | Sep 09 11:50 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: I have required for lvm a modified initrd for a while to spin until the lvm gets it backside in order. | Sep 09 11:50 |
| amarsh04 | no it's not oiaohm | Sep 09 11:50 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: what form of partitioning is it. | Sep 09 11:51 |
| oiaohm | It would be annoying if more are have to spin at start. | Sep 09 11:51 |
| amarsh04 | just gpt | Sep 09 11:51 |
| amarsh04 | ext3 | Sep 09 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie the lvm one is cannot find volume because drive is not fully registered. | Sep 09 11:52 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: can you drop into initrd shell. | Sep 09 11:52 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: good place to snoop | Sep 09 11:53 |
| amarsh04 | pardon the twitter url but I found this computer problem hilarious - http://t.co/Fu8KoJHfpV | Sep 09 11:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @ishikawachiaki3: まだ、動かない飼い猫。 http://t.co/Fu8KoJHfpV | Sep 09 11:53 |
| amarsh04 | ok, I'm not to used to doing so though | Sep 09 11:53 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: under debian you can hit enter after the failed message and get into a busybox shell. | Sep 09 11:54 |
| amarsh04 | yes, I've seen the busybox shell alright | Sep 09 11:54 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: now that is highly useful to work out what in heck has gone south. | Sep 09 11:54 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: that is what I call the initrd shell as it busybox in the initrd. | Sep 09 11:55 |
| amarsh04 | once before it was just not finding the UUID of the disk correctly | Sep 09 11:55 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: some other distrobutions its dash. | Sep 09 11:55 |
| oiaohm | can you mount the UUID from the shell. | Sep 09 11:55 |
| oiaohm | ie initrd shell. | Sep 09 11:56 |
| amarsh04 | ah, ok, might try it | Sep 09 11:56 |
| oiaohm | this is what annoyed me with lvm. It would mount from shell after the delay it took for me to type. | Sep 09 11:56 |
| amarsh04 | yes, needed the delay | Sep 09 11:56 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: ok so gpt is now suffering from the same problem as lvm. | Sep 09 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Welcome to party centrel. | Sep 09 11:57 |
| amarsh04 | first bisect produced a bootable kernel | Sep 09 11:58 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: Ok sorry I cannot tell you the initrd script modification to make gpt mounting stuborn. | Sep 09 11:58 |
| amarsh04 | that's ok, I'll keep bisecting away | Sep 09 11:58 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: yes my lvm stuborn tries to mount like 200 times before quiting. | Sep 09 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Normally mounts by 10 | Sep 09 11:58 |
| oiaohm | At worst 50 | Sep 09 11:59 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: it will be parallisation of the start up process in the kernel. | Sep 09 11:59 |
| oiaohm | busybox init scripts are really not compadible. | Sep 09 12:00 |
| oiaohm | We need something smarter. | Sep 09 12:00 |
| amarsh04 | on this next build, I see init/do_mounts.c being recompiled | Sep 09 12:04 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: does your initrd creation scripts use it. | Sep 09 12:06 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: its one thing to build that is anther if your init scripts in the initrd use it. | Sep 09 12:07 |
| amarsh04 | not sure, I'm using Debian's kernel-package to build kernels | Sep 09 12:07 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: Ok its idiot. | Sep 09 12:07 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: debian scripts are not up to problem. | Sep 09 12:08 |
| amarsh04 | it was enough fun finding out how to build an i386 kernel on a system running x86-64 | Sep 09 12:08 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: yes I am running debian with custom scripts so lvm works on debian provided 3.10 kernels. | Sep 09 12:08 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: try x86-64 and building a arm kernel. | Sep 09 12:09 |
| oiaohm | That is serous sport. | Sep 09 12:09 |
| oiaohm | I was building a kernel for my pi | Sep 09 12:09 |
| amarsh04 | I would like to be able to rebuild stuff for my adsl router and my voip box, but I'm not quite up to that level | Sep 09 12:10 |
| oiaohm | It still annoys me that binutils that when it first released could build for all platforms today is stuffed up internally and has to be built targeted. | Sep 09 12:11 |
| amarsh04 | and there are far fewer architectures still being manufactured than once was the case | Sep 09 12:12 |
| iophk | ARM is on the way up. | Sep 09 12:12 |
| iophk | MIPS might be, depending on what goes on in China. | Sep 09 12:13 |
| iophk | Sparc is being mismanaged by Oracle, though. | Sep 09 12:13 |
| amarsh04 | I wish I understood the current mobile phone technologies better, previously my handset would only work in Japan on Softbank's network, last trip it only worked with NTT Docomo | Sep 09 12:15 |
| iophk | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/whats-behind-microsofts-fall-from-dominance-20130908-2tdht.html | Sep 09 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.smh.com.au | What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance [ http://ur1.ca/fg0lv ] | Sep 09 12:18 |
| iophk | Part of M$ OEM sales are dropping rapidly: | Sep 09 12:22 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/09/09/shipments-of-notebooks-drop-10-per-annum/ | Sep 09 12:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Shipments of Notebooks Drop 10% Per Annum | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/fg0nv ] | Sep 09 12:22 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: there are still a lot of different cpu types made. | Sep 09 12:28 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: arm it self everything 32 bit suxs. There is no instruction in 32 bit arm to ask what soc chip is this. | Sep 09 12:29 |
| amarsh04 | yes, just that I'd noticed a lot of CPU types are long obsolete | Sep 09 12:29 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: so you hope the boot loader is telling you the correct things. | Sep 09 12:29 |
| amarsh04 | agreed | Sep 09 12:29 |
| oiaohm | arm 64 bit is where sanity starts with arm. | Sep 09 12:29 |
| oiaohm | longson china own designed mips is used in a few things. | Sep 09 12:30 |
| oiaohm | tilera tile is used in intercept network traffic processing. | Sep 09 12:31 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: there are a lot of devices now appearing with fpga and equal software created cpus. | Sep 09 12:32 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: http://www.tilera.com/products/processors/TILE-Gx_Family yes tile 72 cores in a single chips. | Sep 09 12:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tilera.com | TILE-Gx Processor Family | Tilera Corporation [ http://ur1.ca/fg0ty ] | Sep 09 12:34 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: there are some arm chips with 100 slave processors. | Sep 09 12:34 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: low performance stuff does not need custom silcon any more instead gets way with fpga stuff. | Sep 09 12:38 |
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| iophk | http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/rupee-slide-indian-cos-like-igate-hungama-digital-opt-for-open-source-softwares-to-cut-costs/articleshow/22424175.cms | Sep 09 15:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | economictimes.indiatimes.com | Rupee slide: Indian cos like iGate, Hungama Digital opt for open-source softwares to cut costs - The Economic Times [ http://ur1.ca/fg39q ] | Sep 09 15:41 |
| iophk | Interesting change from wipro there, if it is a change. | Sep 09 15:42 |
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| iophk | GPL enforcement | Sep 09 16:20 |
| iophk | http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=c03d2a16-6005-4a25-99b8-126b87b2a8 | Sep 09 16:20 |
| iophk | f4 | Sep 09 16:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=c03d2a16-6005-4a25-99b8-126b87b2a8 ) | Sep 09 16:20 |
| iophk | http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=c03d2a16-6005-4a25-99b8-126b87b2a8f4 | Sep 09 16:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.lexology.com | Germany: Open Source must remain open: obligations for the sale of electronic goods containing Open Source software - Lexology [ http://ur1.ca/fg3oa ] | Sep 09 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | Resource not found... | Sep 09 16:21 |
| iophk | link got truncated, try the 2nd one | Sep 09 16:21 |
| MisterE | http://i.imgur.com/GgGCmyW.png | Sep 09 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | "Improve performance with Nvidia drivers on OS X." | Sep 09 17:04 |
| MisterE | what's this? | Sep 09 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | Apple writes their own drivers for graphics hardware with specs they got from the vendor under NDA. | Sep 09 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | They're surprisingly worse than the proprietary drivers for Linux. | Sep 09 17:04 |
| MisterE | no I think Nvidia writes the drivers under NDA withj specs they get from Apple | Sep 09 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Sep 09 17:05 |
| MisterE | is there an OS X update? | Sep 09 17:05 |
| MisterE | System Information: Model: MacBook (Unibody Late 2008) • CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 (2 Threads, 2 Cores) @ 2.40 GHz • Memory: 8.00 GB • Uptime: 1 Day • Disk Space: Total: 127.18 GB; Free: 83.16 GB • Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M • Load: 35% • OS: Mac OS X 10.8.4 (Mountain Lion) (Build 12E55) | Sep 09 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | a Steam update for OS X | Sep 09 17:05 |
| MisterE | oic | Sep 09 17:05 |
| *DaemonFC is still looking at cars... | Sep 09 17:12 | |
| DaemonFC | The reason I prefer driving something that's 10 years old... | Sep 09 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there's a few reasons. | Sep 09 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | 1. It's so cheap by this point that you can probably pay in cash and not take out any loans, which means no interest and no minimum amount of car insurance other than the minimums imposed by the state. | Sep 09 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2. The value of the car is less than the difference between minimal insurance and full coverage over the course of the next three or four years, so you're not risking much and will probably come out ahead to cut the insurance to the bone if you can go 3-4 years with no major accidents. | Sep 09 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | 3. If you steer clear of the type of car that people aged 18-40 drive, it probably hasn't been abused. There are lots of 15-20 year old cars that really were driven by some little old lady to church once a week, and kept in a garage. | Sep 09 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | 4. In Indiana, at least, they fucking gouge you on your license plate renewals if you drive a new car. It can be up to $350 a year just to get your sticker. If you drive something 10 years old or more, you pay the minimum fee of $42.05. | Sep 09 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | Over the first 9 years of a car's life, the state of Indiana will get you for a couple thousand dollars in additional plate renewal taxes. | Sep 09 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | 5. If the vehicle had shoddy parts and labor, it will probably have failed before it was 10 years old. The first 10 years weeds out all of the ones that were no good to begin with. | Sep 09 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | A new car does not mean trouble-free. I've seen tons of new car horror stories, where the car isn't even close to being paid off, and the transmission goes out or the power windows stop working, etc... | Sep 09 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | They say you have a warranty, but, well.....they *say* you have a warranty. | Sep 09 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | Either they figure out a way to not honor most of it, or the shop finds out that the manufacturer will pay them over and over again to "fix" the same issue, so they don't fix it right and you're in their shop every week until the OEM will not pay out another claim. | Sep 09 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | I've never driven anything newer than a 1995 model. | Sep 09 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | There's really no reason to do that. There haven't been incredible technological breakthroughs. If anything, they've gotten worse and are starting to come with crap I don't want, like OnStar. | Sep 09 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | Sooner or later, everyone will have the tracking device/backdoor built into their cars. | Sep 09 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | There's a small chance that it could be useful to track a car thief, but it's more likely that our out of control government will use it to keep track of where you drive your car. | Sep 09 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | There's all kinds of ways that this *will* end up being abused. | Sep 09 17:24 |
| iophk | "But there are some eyewitness accounts which suggest his car exploded before impact. " | Sep 09 17:25 |
| iophk | http://www.news.com.au/world-news/reporter-michael-hastings-sent-panicky-email-hours-before-sudden-car-crash-death/story-fndir2ev-1226669297371 | Sep 09 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.news.com.au | Reporter Michael Hastings sent panicky email hours before sudden car crash death | News.com.au [ http://ur1.ca/fg4fu ] | Sep 09 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | One Indiana legislator has proposed that the state tracks the number of miles that people with OnStar-like services drive their cars, to figure out a new per-mile tax. | Sep 09 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Sooner or later, everyone will have some version of that equipment in their cars. | Sep 09 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Because every car fails, and ends up being replaced. | Sep 09 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Even people who insist on older cars will end up with 2002 or later models eventually. | Sep 09 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want spyware in my car. | Sep 09 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if there's some way to disable those "features" so they can't work at all. | Sep 09 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | iophk, My former step-sister, from my mom's previous marriage, had a husband who was cooking meth. | Sep 09 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | He had a car full of the ingredients he needed and decided to light a cigarette. | Sep 09 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 09 17:30 |
| iophk | Darwin award | Sep 09 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | The car caught fire, and he bailed out. It crashed into a telephone pole. | Sep 09 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | No, he didn't die, so he'd just be an honorable mention. :) | Sep 09 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | Unfortunately, he's still alive and a burden of Indiana taxpayers in state prison. | Sep 09 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | There's nobody in that family that has not been in prison at some point. | Sep 09 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | Drugs, rape, theft, assault.... | Sep 09 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | One of them punched a police officer, and told his dad that it was going to be OK because he did some roof work for that officer... | Sep 09 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 09 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | (while he was in jail, waiting to go before the judge....) | Sep 09 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | I call my mom's second husband "Gonad The Barbarian"... | Sep 09 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | His 3rd wife was hiding out in a trailer park to dodge a warrant for her arrest for check fraud. | Sep 09 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | They finally found her and sentenced her to a year in jail. | Sep 09 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | That's the one that moved back in with him after my mom left. | Sep 09 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | One of his sons was out on bail for a misdemeanor and fled to Alabama, and was working under a fake Social Security number. | Sep 09 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | He came back to Indiana for some reason, and had his expired Indiana driver's license on him. | Sep 09 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | The car he was in got pulled over, the cops ran it, and they found the outstanding warrant. | Sep 09 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | So he got to do the year of jail time five years later instead of just getting it over with, and got another 6 months for running. | Sep 09 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | Then the employer in Alabama got raided by ICE, and the IRS found out that he hadn't been paying his taxes for those five years. | Sep 09 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | This is not a very smart group of people. | Sep 09 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | Petty criminals, pathological liars, etc. | Sep 09 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | It really is genetic... | Sep 09 17:38 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-09/09/nginx | Sep 09 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | The least productive people are also the most reproductive. | Sep 09 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.co.uk | Nginx: this Russian software is taking over the internet (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/fg4l7 ] | Sep 09 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | So they're always going to outnumber the decent people. | Sep 09 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | Cycling between welfare and prison. | Sep 09 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | I've always wondered why we're still having the debate about what to do with them. | Sep 09 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Unload all of them in Cuba.... | Sep 09 17:40 |
| iophk | This is good if he is really giving up and not just feinting : http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/carl-icahn-michael-dell-buyout-126543 | Sep 09 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techweekeurope.co.uk | Icahn Gives Up Fight Over Dell Buyout [ http://ur1.ca/fg4mm ] | Sep 09 17:44 |
| MinceR | 180505 < DaemonFC> They're surprisingly worse than the proprietary drivers for Linux. | Sep 09 18:08 |
| MinceR | what's surprising about that? | Sep 09 18:08 |
| MinceR | it's crApple code, of course it sucks | Sep 09 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | The proprietary drivers are responsible for a lot of problems. | Sep 09 18:09 |
| MinceR | https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1175289_10151847810039771_259754031_n.jpg | Sep 09 18:11 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Jesus came back and she ate him, from the looks of it. | Sep 09 18:12 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 09 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://credit.about.com/od/toughcreditissues/a/closecards.htm | Sep 09 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | credit.about.com | 5 Credit Cards You Should Never Close [ http://ur1.ca/fg5ld ] | Sep 09 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | This isn't technically correct. | Sep 09 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | I started out with a pretty bad credit report a few years ago. Almost all negatives. Never had a car loan, a mortgage, or a credit card. | Sep 09 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much the only company that would approve me for a card was Walmart (GE Money Bank), and that was only because the terms of the card were fairly abusive to the cardholder. | Sep 09 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | 30% APR iirc, and that was just one of the bad things about the card. | Sep 09 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | I opened that account and charged my groceries and oil changes, stuff like that. Paid it in full every month. | Sep 09 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | When I got about a year in, I applied for a better card with rewards and a higher balance from another company. I was approved, so I send the Walmart card through my shredder and just left the account open. | Sep 09 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | You never want to close the oldest account. | Sep 09 19:04 |
| MinceR | why? | Sep 09 19:05 |
| MinceR | credit rating? | Sep 09 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | So you want to build your credit score, but you have to use a really bad card to do it with, which means you need to be responsible and pay it in full each month. | Sep 09 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 09 19:05 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 09 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | Closing your oldest account hurts your FICO score. | Sep 09 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | It also lowers your available credit, which increases your utilization, which hurts your score again. | Sep 09 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | So it double dips you. | Sep 09 19:05 |
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| DaemonFC | I have three open accounts. One has a $5,000 limit, one has a $500 limit, and one has a $1,000 limit (Walmart). | Sep 09 19:06 |
| MinceR | a debit card is enough for me | Sep 09 19:06 |
| MinceR | though i prefer cash, because apparently i'm a turrist. | Sep 09 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | I used the Walmart card to build up enough of a credit rating to get a "student" card from a different company (the $500 one), then used that to build up my credit enough to get the one with the $5,000 limit. | Sep 09 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | In the mean time, over the course of about three years, it brought my FICO score up from 504 to 665. | Sep 09 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | That's basically from a D rating to a B+ rating. | Sep 09 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | Where I'm at now, it means that if I went to get a car loan, I'd be looking at 3.9% APR instead of 10 or 11. | Sep 09 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 09 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | I don't plan to do that though. | Sep 09 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | I can get a better deal by stashing away some money each month for a couple of years and buying the car in cash. | Sep 09 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | I could save a few thousand dollars in interest payments by bypassing the bank. | Sep 09 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | There's no reason to pay those crooks when I can beat the car I already have into running for 2-3 more years. | Sep 09 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | When there's finally no way to keep it going, you can just call a company to haul it away for scrap, and they'll pay you about $250 for that. | Sep 09 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 09 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, My car will be 20 years old next year. | Sep 09 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | A few months ago, I decided to clean out the throttle body and I went through two entire cans of the spray cleaner before black soot stopped pouring back out. | Sep 09 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | Blecth. | Sep 09 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | Ford says not to clean it because it has a special coating that is supposed to keep buildup from happening. | Sep 09 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | Whatever. | Sep 09 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | I had a fender bender a couple of weeks ago because two of my brake lines rotted out. *sigh* :) | Sep 09 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | Those are a bitch to replace. | Sep 09 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's literally $10 worth of parts and $5 worth of brake fluid, but shops will charge you a couple hundred in labor if you take it in. | Sep 09 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | I learned my lesson on that when it happened to my last car. | Sep 09 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | The shop marked up the brake fluid to $15, and I said "What the fuck did you pour into my car? Unicorn blood!?" | Sep 09 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 09 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | I found a little garage a few blocks from my house that lets you bring the parts and only charges $35 an hour. | Sep 09 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | So I didn't get stung so bad this time. :) | Sep 09 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | You really have to watch out where you take your car. There's a lot of shops that will do unnecessary "repairs" that don't fix the problem. | Sep 09 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | One time, I knew exactly what was wrong with my car already (bad ignition control module), so I started taking it into all kinds of shops that offered a free inspection. | Sep 09 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | One of them wanted to do $1,500 worth of unrelated work and didn't identify the correct problem. | Sep 09 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | It's a great way to go fishing to see which shops are honest or not in your area. | Sep 09 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | The funny part was that the car's self-diagnostic was displaying the code for "Bad Ignition Control Module". | Sep 09 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | So if they connected a code scanner, they'd immediately know what was wrong. | Sep 09 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | I have a feeling that $3,000 later, that shop ("Sparks" in Muncie, Indiana, btw) would have identified and fixed the real problem. | Sep 09 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Crooks. | Sep 09 19:21 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Come to think of it.... | Sep 09 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | I just left them a nasty review on Google for that. | Sep 09 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | (That was back in 2003) | Sep 09 19:27 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/09/09/death-spiral-of-software-patents/ | Sep 09 19:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Death-Spiral Of Software Patents | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/fg65r ] | Sep 09 19:31 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: my car is 16 years old | Sep 09 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | Old enough to drive itself. | Sep 09 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 09 19:32 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 09 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I don't see why I should go car shopping when what I have shows no signs of impending failure. | Sep 09 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | If I went out with the money I have right now, I'd just be opening another can of worms. | Sep 09 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | I've already opened this particular can of worms and fixed most of the problems it had. | Sep 09 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently the last owner didn't believe in coolant system service. | Sep 09 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | The shop that sold it to me patched up the leak and topped it off. | Sep 09 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | Custom Car Care in Decatur, Indiana, btw. | Sep 09 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | The only reason I'm not too pissed about that is that they sold it cheap. | Sep 09 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | Enough that the repairs it needed brought it up to what it would have been worth in good condition. | Sep 09 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, One of the reasons I'd never go with a new car is also because they lose about half their "value" in the first two years. | Sep 09 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | And the dealer adds a charge for delivering the car from the factory to them, and that runs about an additional $775. | Sep 09 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | They sucker people into two year leases all the time, so there's a constant supply of two year old cars with about 25,000-30,000 miles on them, for about half price. | Sep 09 19:40 |
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| DaemonFC | That's the newest that any sane car buyer would want. | Sep 09 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | Sep 09 19:41 | |
| MinceR | one of the reasons i'd never buy a used car is because i'm not skilled in their evaluation | Sep 09 19:41 |
| MinceR | another reason is that i've already seen previous owners mistreat cars horribly | Sep 09 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | Well, off lease cars are better. | Sep 09 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC = Windows lover! | Sep 09 19:42 |
| MinceR | my car had several issues from the negligence of previous owners | Sep 09 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | no not car Windows or something like that | Sep 09 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | They put in a mileage limit per year with huge overage charges, and they fine the person that leased the car if they can't prove they took it in for all scheduled service. | Sep 09 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yes Microsoft Windows | Sep 09 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | So if they skip the servicing to save $300, they'll end up paying a $1,000 fine when they turn it in. | Sep 09 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | So most people will just take it in for service. | Sep 09 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: knock knock, who's there at your door? Steve Ballmer | Sep 09 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: is it dark there? | Sep 09 19:44 |
| MinceR | yes | Sep 09 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, What's really funny is that the local car rental shop actually has all of its rental cars for sale. | Sep 09 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | yeah nerely for here to | Sep 09 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | getting dark now | Sep 09 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | That's how you guarantee you'll get one with major problems. | Sep 09 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: depends | Sep 09 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | proper car hire companies tend to look after the cars reasaobnly well | Sep 09 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | or so it seems | Sep 09 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: ,but right your on about a small one | Sep 09 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | Well, all I know is that I've driven rental cars for a week or so before, and I know what I did to them. | Sep 09 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Other people have probably done worse. | Sep 09 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | When you rent a car, one of the requirements is that you bring it back with as much gas in it as when you took it off the lot. | Sep 09 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | Or else they charge you like $8 a gallon. :P | Sep 09 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | So, on my way back, I swing by the E85 station and fill it up with that. | Sep 09 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 09 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | It's usually like 65-70 cents per gallon cheaper than gasoline around here. | Sep 09 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | So I rented a car that was on Full and it was close to E when I got back to Indiana, so I filled it up with E85. | Sep 09 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | 17 gallon tank, so I saved about $10-12. | Sep 09 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 09 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | It was a flex fuel though, so the only problem would be that the next person to rent it gets really shitty gas mileage. | Sep 09 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 09 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | But the gauge said Full, so I didn't get dinged. | Sep 09 19:57 |
| iophk | 0:38 - 0:40 | Sep 09 20:11 |
| iophk | http://www.youtube.com/embed/CKqJccK_EkM?wmode=opaque | Sep 09 20:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Mercedes-Benz TV: Autonomous long-distance drive - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fg6xi ] | Sep 09 20:11 |
| iophk | Ubuntu used in the shop | Sep 09 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | One reason why I don't want a new Ford is because they include Microsoft software now. | Sep 09 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | "Sync" | Sep 09 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h0Qvc6_MfQ | Sep 09 20:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Mayhem: GPS Video - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fg75z ] | Sep 09 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Microsoft's navigation system... | Sep 09 20:27 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXJE8UGtjmI | Sep 09 20:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Mayhem: Cleaning Lady Video - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fg7h9 ] | Sep 09 20:47 |
| MinceR | another reason not to buy a ford (or a bmw, or a kia...) is that if their "engineers" thought it was a good idea to run m$ software on a car, then their other decisions might well be as scary too | Sep 09 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I call them Killed In Action. (KIA) | Sep 09 20:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 09 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | They look like you could swat them with a rolled up newspaper and total them. | Sep 09 20:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Jabba had a seizure. | Sep 09 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | I rushed him to the vet, where they said he "seems OK" and charged me $60. | Sep 09 22:32 |
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