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*DaemonFC is considering making an offer on a 2000 Ford Taurus.Sep 09 04:32
DaemonFCI have a 1995 model that I'm currently driving, but the body is falling apart.Sep 09 04:33
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MisterEif the engine is strong I dont care how it looksSep 09 05:31
MisterEbetter to have a crappy car int he citySep 09 05:32
DaemonFC 09 05:50 | 2000 Ford Taurus $2500 OBO  [ ]Sep 09 05:50
DaemonFCConsidering making an offer on it.Sep 09 05:50
DaemonFCIt looks like it's in good condition.Sep 09 05:50
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MisterEheySep 09 06:15
MisterEis Roy Schestowitz ever around here?Sep 09 06:15
MisterEJimmyCarter: what did you say about him, you serious man?Sep 09 06:15
MisterEDaemonFC: you can search a lot more markets using this siteSep 09 06:17
DaemonFC<MisterE> is Roy Schestowitz ever around here?Sep 09 06:17
DaemonFCHaven't seen him lately.Sep 09 06:17
MisterEis he?Sep 09 06:17
MisterEI have a question about this 09 06:18
DaemonFCMy aunt died recently and I haven't been on a lot this week.Sep 09 06:18 | The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Ought to Refocus on Crushing Software Patents, Not Patent Trolls or “Stupid Patents” | Techrights  [ ]Sep 09 06:18
MisterEaww sorry to hear that manSep 09 06:18
MisterElost my fav aunt recently tooSep 09 06:18
DaemonFCCar accident.Sep 09 06:18
DaemonFCThey're thinking that she had a heart attack or something and fell over onto the accelerator.Sep 09 06:19
DaemonFCClipped the car in front of her, and then went off into the median.Sep 09 06:19
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DaemonFCRolled about 7-8 times.Sep 09 06:19
DaemonFCThose Jeep Liberty's are some dangerous vehicles.Sep 09 06:19
DaemonFCI kind of wanted one when I saw hers, but not now.Sep 09 06:20
MisterEoh jeez indeedSep 09 06:20
DaemonFCThey don't have a lot of weight, and they ride up high off the ground, so they're a rollover hazard.Sep 09 06:20
MisterEwell it sounds like it was quick and painlessSep 09 06:20
MisterEI hope thats how I goSep 09 06:20
MisterEyepSep 09 06:20
MisterElike the Isuzu TroopersSep 09 06:20
MisterEI had one of themSep 09 06:20
MisterEking of rolloversSep 09 06:21
MisterEused to get it up on 2 wheels for funSep 09 06:21
MisterEwas old POSSep 09 06:21
DaemonFCAfter she died, the entire family melted down.Sep 09 06:21
MisterEyea unexpected ones are the hardestSep 09 06:22
DaemonFCMy grandmother has been even meaner than usual, and my aunt left my cousins so much life insurance money that they started spending it before she was even cold.Sep 09 06:22
MisterEmy dad was sick and losing one piece at a time, when he stroked out it was a reliefSep 09 06:22
MisterEoh shit when it comes to arguing over money left behind families really show their true colorsSep 09 06:22
MisterEbrothers and sisters turning on each other, it's really shamefulSep 09 06:23
DaemonFCYeah.Sep 09 06:24
DaemonFCShe left them $414,000 EACH.Sep 09 06:24
DaemonFCKnowing them, they'll blow it all on stupid shit.Sep 09 06:25
DaemonFCAfter antagonizing the family...Sep 09 06:25
DaemonFCThey each make about $20 an hour at their jobs and they never have any money.Sep 09 06:26
DaemonFCIt doesn't matter how much money some people have, because they always figure out how to waste more.Sep 09 06:27
DaemonFCI just thought it was disgusting that their mom had just died and they were planning on what to do with the money a day later.Sep 09 06:28
MisterEyep people really show their true colors at those timesSep 09 07:08
MisterEand it's often disgracefulSep 09 07:09
MisterEI walked away from mu inheritance from my dadSep 09 07:09
MisterE7 kids I said "You selfish fuckers can fight over it, don't ever ask me for anything"Sep 09 07:09
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iophk 09 10:34 | Police Arrest Alleged Movie Pirate Again, Along With His Brother & Sister | TorrentFreak  [ ]Sep 09 10:34
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oiaohmLooks like Ubuntu is in for Mir hell.Sep 09 11:45
oiaohmWith Intel refusing to upstream Mir patches.Sep 09 11:45
iophkYeah, there's not much buy-in.Sep 09 11:47
iophkWhat is the case for creating Mir rather than just using Wayland like everyone else plans to?Sep 09 11:48
amarsh04I'm currently on a git-bisect of the kernel as soon after 3.11.0, something broke that made the root filesystem unable to mountSep 09 11:48
oiaohmamarsh04: your root filesystem is not lvm by any chance.Sep 09 11:50
oiaohmamarsh04: I have required for lvm a modified initrd for a while to spin until the lvm gets it backside in order.Sep 09 11:50
amarsh04no it's not oiaohmSep 09 11:50
oiaohmamarsh04: what form of partitioning is it.Sep 09 11:51
oiaohmIt would be annoying if more are have to spin at start.Sep 09 11:51
amarsh04just gptSep 09 11:51
amarsh04ext3Sep 09 11:52
oiaohmIe the lvm one is cannot find volume because drive is not fully registered.Sep 09 11:52
oiaohmamarsh04: can you drop into initrd shell.Sep 09 11:52
oiaohmamarsh04: good place to snoop Sep 09 11:53
amarsh04pardon the twitter url but I found this computer problem hilarious - 09 11:53
TechrightsBot-tr@ishikawachiaki3: まだ、動かない飼い猫。 09 11:53
amarsh04ok, I'm not to used to doing so thoughSep 09 11:53
oiaohmamarsh04: under debian you can hit enter after the failed message and get into a busybox shell.Sep 09 11:54
amarsh04yes, I've seen the busybox shell alrightSep 09 11:54
oiaohmamarsh04: now that is highly useful to work out what in heck has gone south.Sep 09 11:54
oiaohmamarsh04: that is what I call the initrd shell as it busybox in the initrd.Sep 09 11:55
amarsh04once before it was just not finding the UUID of the disk correctlySep 09 11:55
oiaohmamarsh04: some other distrobutions its dash.Sep 09 11:55
oiaohmcan you mount the UUID from the shell.Sep 09 11:55
oiaohmie initrd shell.Sep 09 11:56
amarsh04ah, ok, might try itSep 09 11:56
oiaohmthis is what annoyed me with lvm.   It would mount from shell after the delay it took for me to type.Sep 09 11:56
amarsh04yes, needed the delaySep 09 11:56
oiaohmamarsh04: ok so gpt is now suffering from the same problem as lvm.Sep 09 11:57
oiaohmWelcome to party centrel.Sep 09 11:57
amarsh04first bisect produced a bootable kernelSep 09 11:58
oiaohmamarsh04: Ok sorry I cannot tell you the initrd script modification to make gpt mounting stuborn.Sep 09 11:58
amarsh04that's ok, I'll keep bisecting awaySep 09 11:58
oiaohmamarsh04: yes my lvm stuborn tries to mount like 200 times before quiting.Sep 09 11:58
oiaohmNormally mounts by 10Sep 09 11:58
oiaohmAt worst 50Sep 09 11:59
oiaohmamarsh04: it will be parallisation of the start up process in the kernel.Sep 09 11:59
oiaohmbusybox init scripts are really not compadible.Sep 09 12:00
oiaohmWe need something smarter.Sep 09 12:00
amarsh04on this next build, I see init/do_mounts.c being recompiledSep 09 12:04
oiaohmamarsh04: does your initrd creation scripts use it.Sep 09 12:06
oiaohmamarsh04: its one thing to build that is anther if your init scripts in the initrd use it.Sep 09 12:07
amarsh04not sure, I'm using Debian's kernel-package to build kernelsSep 09 12:07
oiaohmamarsh04: Ok its idiot.Sep 09 12:07
oiaohmamarsh04: debian scripts are not up to problem.Sep 09 12:08
amarsh04it was enough fun finding out how to build an i386 kernel on a system running x86-64 Sep 09 12:08
oiaohmamarsh04: yes I am running debian with custom scripts so lvm works on debian provided 3.10 kernels.Sep 09 12:08
oiaohmamarsh04: try x86-64 and building a arm kernel.Sep 09 12:09
oiaohmThat is serous sport.Sep 09 12:09
oiaohmI was building a kernel for my piSep 09 12:09
amarsh04I would like to be able to rebuild stuff for my adsl router and my voip box, but I'm not quite up to that levelSep 09 12:10
oiaohmIt still annoys me that binutils that when it first released could build for all platforms today is stuffed up internally and has to be built targeted.Sep 09 12:11
amarsh04and there are far fewer architectures still being manufactured than once was the caseSep 09 12:12
iophk ARM is on the way up.Sep 09 12:12
iophkMIPS might be, depending on what goes on in China.Sep 09 12:13
iophkSparc is being mismanaged by Oracle, though.Sep 09 12:13
amarsh04I wish I understood the current mobile phone technologies better, previously my handset would only work in Japan on Softbank's network, last trip it only worked with NTT DocomoSep 09 12:15
iophk 09 12:18 | What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance  [ ]Sep 09 12:18
iophkPart of M$ OEM sales are dropping rapidly: Sep 09 12:22
iophk 09 12:22 | Shipments of Notebooks Drop 10% Per Annum  |   Robert Pogson  [ ]Sep 09 12:22
oiaohmamarsh04: there are still a lot of different cpu types made.Sep 09 12:28
oiaohmamarsh04: arm it self everything 32 bit suxs.   There is no instruction in 32 bit arm to ask what soc chip is this.Sep 09 12:29
amarsh04yes, just that I'd noticed a lot of CPU types are long obsoleteSep 09 12:29
oiaohmamarsh04: so you hope the boot loader is telling you the correct things.Sep 09 12:29
amarsh04agreedSep 09 12:29
oiaohmarm 64 bit is where sanity starts with arm.Sep 09 12:29
oiaohmlongson  china own designed mips is used in a few things.Sep 09 12:30
oiaohmtilera tile is used in intercept network traffic processing.Sep 09 12:31
oiaohmamarsh04: there are a lot of devices now appearing with fpga and equal software created cpus.Sep 09 12:32
oiaohmamarsh04:  yes tile 72 cores in a single chips.Sep 09 12:34 | TILE-Gx Processor Family | Tilera Corporation  [ ]Sep 09 12:34
oiaohmamarsh04: there are some arm chips with 100 slave processors.Sep 09 12:34
oiaohmamarsh04: low performance stuff does not need custom silcon any more instead gets way with fpga stuff.Sep 09 12:38
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iophk 09 15:41 | Rupee slide: Indian cos like iGate, Hungama Digital opt for open-source softwares to cut costs - The Economic Times  [ ]Sep 09 15:41
iophkInteresting change from wipro there, if it is a change.Sep 09 15:42
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iophkGPL enforcementSep 09 16:20
iophk 09 16:20
iophkf4Sep 09 16:20
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ )Sep 09 16:20
iophk 09 16:20 | Germany: Open Source must remain open: obligations for the sale of electronic goods containing Open Source software - Lexology  [ ]Sep 09 16:20
DaemonFCResource not found...Sep 09 16:21
iophklink got truncated, try the 2nd oneSep 09 16:21
MisterE 09 16:52
DaemonFC"Improve performance with Nvidia drivers on OS X."Sep 09 17:04
MisterEwhat's this?Sep 09 17:04
DaemonFCApple writes their own drivers for graphics hardware with specs they got from the vendor under NDA.Sep 09 17:04
DaemonFCThey're surprisingly worse than the proprietary drivers for Linux.Sep 09 17:04
MisterEno I think Nvidia writes the drivers under NDA withj specs they get from AppleSep 09 17:05
DaemonFCyeahSep 09 17:05
MisterEis there an OS X update?Sep 09 17:05
MisterESystem Information: Model: MacBook (Unibody Late 2008) • CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 (2 Threads, 2 Cores) @ 2.40 GHz • Memory: 8.00 GB • Uptime: 1 Day • Disk Space: Total: 127.18 GB; Free: 83.16 GB • Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M • Load: 35% • OS: Mac OS X 10.8.4 (Mountain Lion) (Build 12E55)Sep 09 17:05
DaemonFCa Steam update for OS XSep 09 17:05
MisterEoicSep 09 17:05
*DaemonFC is still looking at cars...Sep 09 17:12
DaemonFCThe reason I prefer driving something that's 10 years old...Sep 09 17:12
DaemonFCWell, there's a few reasons.Sep 09 17:12
DaemonFC1. It's so cheap by this point that you can probably pay in cash and not take out any loans, which means no interest and no minimum amount of car insurance other than the minimums imposed by the state.Sep 09 17:13
DaemonFC2. The value of the car is less than the difference between minimal insurance and full coverage over the course of the next three or four years, so you're not risking much and will probably come out ahead to cut the insurance to the bone if you can go 3-4 years with no major accidents.Sep 09 17:14
DaemonFC3. If you steer clear of the type of car that people aged 18-40 drive, it probably hasn't been abused. There are lots of 15-20 year old cars that really were driven by some little old lady to church once a week, and kept in a garage.Sep 09 17:15
DaemonFC4. In Indiana, at least, they fucking gouge you on your license plate renewals if you drive a new car. It can be up to $350 a year just to get your sticker. If you drive something 10 years old or more, you pay the minimum fee of $42.05.Sep 09 17:16
DaemonFCOver the first 9 years of a car's life, the state of Indiana will get you for a couple thousand dollars in additional plate renewal taxes.Sep 09 17:17
DaemonFC5. If the vehicle had shoddy parts and labor, it will probably have failed before it was 10 years old. The first 10 years weeds out all of the ones that were no good to begin with.Sep 09 17:18
DaemonFCA new car does not mean trouble-free. I've seen tons of new car horror stories, where the car isn't even close to being paid off, and the transmission goes out or the power windows stop working, etc...Sep 09 17:19
DaemonFCThey say you have a warranty, but, well.....they *say* you have a warranty.Sep 09 17:19
DaemonFCEither they figure out a way to not honor most of it, or the shop finds out that the manufacturer will pay them over and over again to "fix" the same issue, so they don't fix it right and you're in their shop every week until the OEM will not pay out another claim.Sep 09 17:20
DaemonFCI've never driven anything newer than a 1995 model.Sep 09 17:21
DaemonFCThere's really no reason to do that. There haven't been incredible technological breakthroughs. If anything, they've gotten worse and are starting to come with crap I don't want, like OnStar.Sep 09 17:22
DaemonFCSooner or later, everyone will have the tracking device/backdoor built into their cars.Sep 09 17:23
DaemonFCThere's a small chance that it could be useful to track a car thief, but it's more likely that our out of control government will use it to keep track of where you drive your car.Sep 09 17:23
DaemonFCThere's all kinds of ways that this *will* end up being abused.Sep 09 17:24
iophk"But there are some eyewitness accounts which suggest his car exploded before impact. "Sep 09 17:25
iophk 09 17:25 | Reporter Michael Hastings sent panicky email hours before sudden car crash death |  [ ]Sep 09 17:25
DaemonFCOne Indiana legislator has proposed that the state tracks the number of miles that people with OnStar-like services drive their cars, to figure out a new per-mile tax.Sep 09 17:25
DaemonFCSooner or later, everyone will have some version of that equipment in their cars.Sep 09 17:25
DaemonFCBecause every car fails, and ends up being replaced.Sep 09 17:25
DaemonFCEven people who insist on older cars will end up with 2002 or later models eventually.Sep 09 17:26
DaemonFCI don't want spyware in my car.Sep 09 17:26
DaemonFCI wonder if there's some way to disable those "features" so they can't work at all.Sep 09 17:27
DaemonFCiophk, My former step-sister, from my mom's previous marriage, had a husband who was cooking meth.Sep 09 17:29
DaemonFCHe had a car full of the ingredients he needed and decided to light a cigarette.Sep 09 17:30
DaemonFC:)Sep 09 17:30
iophkDarwin awardSep 09 17:30
DaemonFCThe car caught fire, and he bailed out. It crashed into a telephone pole.Sep 09 17:30
DaemonFCNo, he didn't die, so he'd just be an honorable mention. :)Sep 09 17:30
DaemonFCUnfortunately, he's still alive and a burden of Indiana taxpayers in state prison.Sep 09 17:31
DaemonFCThere's nobody in that family that has not been in prison at some point.Sep 09 17:32
DaemonFCDrugs, rape, theft, assault....Sep 09 17:32
DaemonFCOne of them punched a police officer, and told his dad that it was going to be OK because he did some roof work for that officer...Sep 09 17:33
DaemonFC:)Sep 09 17:33
DaemonFC(while he was in jail, waiting to go before the judge....)Sep 09 17:33
DaemonFCI call my mom's second husband "Gonad The Barbarian"...Sep 09 17:34
DaemonFCHis 3rd wife was hiding out in a trailer park to dodge a warrant for her arrest for check fraud.Sep 09 17:35
DaemonFCThey finally found her and sentenced her to a year in jail.Sep 09 17:35
DaemonFCThat's the one that moved back in with him after my mom left.Sep 09 17:35
DaemonFCOne of his sons was out on bail for a misdemeanor and fled to Alabama, and was working under a fake Social Security number.Sep 09 17:36
DaemonFCHe came back to Indiana for some reason, and had his expired Indiana driver's license on him.Sep 09 17:36
DaemonFCThe car he was in got pulled over, the cops ran it, and they found the outstanding warrant.Sep 09 17:36
DaemonFCSo he got to do the year of jail time five years later instead of just getting it over with, and got another 6 months for running.Sep 09 17:37
DaemonFCThen the employer in Alabama got raided by ICE, and the IRS found out that he hadn't been paying his taxes for those five years.Sep 09 17:37
DaemonFCThis is not a very smart group of people.Sep 09 17:37
DaemonFCPetty criminals, pathological liars, etc.Sep 09 17:38
DaemonFCIt really is genetic...Sep 09 17:38
iophk 09 17:38
DaemonFCThe least productive people are also the most reproductive.Sep 09 17:38 | Nginx: this Russian software is taking over the internet (Wired UK)  [ ]Sep 09 17:38
DaemonFCSo they're always going to outnumber the decent people.Sep 09 17:39
DaemonFCCycling between welfare and prison.Sep 09 17:39
DaemonFCI've always wondered why we're still having the debate about what to do with them.Sep 09 17:40
DaemonFCUnload all of them in Cuba....Sep 09 17:40
iophkThis is good if he is really giving up and not just feinting : 09 17:44 | Icahn Gives Up Fight Over Dell Buyout  [ ]Sep 09 17:44
MinceR180505 < DaemonFC> They're surprisingly worse than the proprietary drivers for Linux.Sep 09 18:08
MinceRwhat's surprising about that?Sep 09 18:08
MinceRit's crApple code, of course it sucksSep 09 18:08
DaemonFCThe proprietary drivers are responsible for a lot of problems.Sep 09 18:09
MinceR 09 18:11
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DaemonFCMinceR, Jesus came back and she ate him, from the looks of it.Sep 09 18:12
MinceR:DSep 09 18:12
DaemonFC 09 19:01 | 5 Credit Cards You Should Never Close  [ ]Sep 09 19:01
DaemonFCThis isn't technically correct.Sep 09 19:01
DaemonFCI started out with a pretty bad credit report a few years ago. Almost all negatives. Never had a car loan, a mortgage, or a credit card.Sep 09 19:02
DaemonFCPretty much the only company that would approve me for a card was Walmart (GE Money Bank), and that was only because the terms of the card were fairly abusive to the cardholder.Sep 09 19:02
DaemonFC30% APR iirc, and that was just one of the bad things about the card.Sep 09 19:03
DaemonFCI opened that account and charged my groceries and oil changes, stuff like that. Paid it in full every month.Sep 09 19:03
DaemonFCWhen I got about a year in, I applied for a better card with rewards and a higher balance from another company. I was approved, so I send the Walmart card through my shredder and just left the account open.Sep 09 19:04
DaemonFCYou never want to close the oldest account.Sep 09 19:04
MinceRwhy?Sep 09 19:05
MinceRcredit rating?Sep 09 19:05
DaemonFCSo you want to build your credit score, but you have to use a really bad card to do it with, which means you need to be responsible and pay it in full each month.Sep 09 19:05
DaemonFCYeah.Sep 09 19:05
MinceRicSep 09 19:05
DaemonFCClosing your oldest account hurts your FICO score.Sep 09 19:05
DaemonFCIt also lowers your available credit, which increases your utilization, which hurts your score again.Sep 09 19:05
DaemonFCSo it double dips you.Sep 09 19:05
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DaemonFCI have three open accounts. One has a $5,000 limit, one has a $500 limit, and one has a $1,000 limit (Walmart).Sep 09 19:06
MinceRa debit card is enough for meSep 09 19:06
MinceRthough i prefer cash, because apparently i'm a turrist.Sep 09 19:06
DaemonFCI used the Walmart card to build up enough of a credit rating to get a "student" card from a different company (the $500 one), then used that to build up my credit enough to get the one with the $5,000 limit.Sep 09 19:07
DaemonFCIn the mean time, over the course of about three years, it brought my FICO score up from 504 to 665.Sep 09 19:07
DaemonFCThat's basically from a D rating to a B+ rating.Sep 09 19:08
DaemonFCWhere I'm at now, it means that if I went to get a car loan, I'd be looking at 3.9% APR instead of 10 or 11.Sep 09 19:08
DaemonFC:)Sep 09 19:08
DaemonFCI don't plan to do that though.Sep 09 19:08
DaemonFCI can get a better deal by stashing away some money each month for a couple of years and buying the car in cash.Sep 09 19:09
DaemonFCI could save a few thousand dollars in interest payments by bypassing the bank.Sep 09 19:09
DaemonFCThere's no reason to pay those crooks when I can beat the car I already have into running for 2-3 more years.Sep 09 19:10
DaemonFCWhen there's finally no way to keep it going, you can just call a company to haul it away for scrap, and they'll pay you about $250 for that.Sep 09 19:10
DaemonFC:)Sep 09 19:10
DaemonFCMinceR, My car will be 20 years old next year.Sep 09 19:10
DaemonFCA few months ago, I decided to clean out the throttle body and I went through two entire cans of the spray cleaner before black soot stopped pouring back out.Sep 09 19:11
DaemonFCBlecth.Sep 09 19:11
DaemonFCFord says not to clean it because it has a special coating that is supposed to keep buildup from happening.Sep 09 19:12
DaemonFCWhatever.Sep 09 19:12
DaemonFCI had a fender bender a couple of weeks ago because two of my brake lines rotted out. *sigh* :)Sep 09 19:13
DaemonFCThose are a bitch to replace.Sep 09 19:13
DaemonFCIt's literally $10 worth of parts and $5 worth of brake fluid, but shops will charge you a couple hundred in labor if you take it in.Sep 09 19:13
DaemonFCI learned my lesson on that when it happened to my last car.Sep 09 19:14
DaemonFCThe shop marked up the brake fluid to $15, and I said "What the fuck did you pour into my car? Unicorn blood!?"Sep 09 19:15
DaemonFC:)Sep 09 19:15
DaemonFCI found a little garage a few blocks from my house that lets you bring the parts and only charges $35 an hour.Sep 09 19:16
DaemonFCSo I didn't get stung so bad this time. :)Sep 09 19:16
DaemonFCYou really have to watch out where you take your car. There's a lot of shops that will do unnecessary "repairs" that don't fix the problem.Sep 09 19:17
DaemonFCOne time, I knew exactly what was wrong with my car already (bad ignition control module), so I started taking it into all kinds of shops that offered a free inspection.Sep 09 19:18
DaemonFCOne of them wanted to do $1,500 worth of unrelated work and didn't identify the correct problem.Sep 09 19:18
DaemonFCIt's a great way to go fishing to see which shops are honest or not in your area.Sep 09 19:19
DaemonFCThe funny part was that the car's self-diagnostic was displaying the code for "Bad Ignition Control Module".Sep 09 19:20
DaemonFCSo if they connected a code scanner, they'd immediately know what was wrong.Sep 09 19:20
DaemonFCI have a feeling that $3,000 later, that shop ("Sparks" in Muncie, Indiana, btw) would have identified and fixed the real problem.Sep 09 19:21
DaemonFCCrooks.Sep 09 19:21
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DaemonFCMinceR, Come to think of it....Sep 09 19:26
DaemonFCI just left them a nasty review on Google for that.Sep 09 19:27
DaemonFC(That was back in 2003)Sep 09 19:27
iophk 09 19:31 | Death-Spiral Of Software Patents  |   Robert Pogson  [ ]Sep 09 19:31
MinceRDaemonFC: my car is 16 years oldSep 09 19:32
DaemonFCOld enough to drive itself.Sep 09 19:32
DaemonFC:)Sep 09 19:32
MinceR:>Sep 09 19:32
DaemonFCMinceR, I don't see why I should go car shopping when what I have shows no signs of impending failure.Sep 09 19:33
DaemonFCIf I went out with the money I have right now, I'd just be opening another can of worms.Sep 09 19:33
DaemonFCI've already opened this particular can of worms and fixed most of the problems it had.Sep 09 19:34
DaemonFCApparently the last owner didn't believe in coolant system service.Sep 09 19:34
DaemonFCThe shop that sold it to me patched up the leak and topped it off.Sep 09 19:34
DaemonFCCustom Car Care in Decatur, Indiana, btw.Sep 09 19:35
DaemonFCThe only reason I'm not too pissed about that is that they sold it cheap.Sep 09 19:35
DaemonFCEnough that the repairs it needed brought it up to what it would have been worth in good condition.Sep 09 19:35
DaemonFCMinceR, One of the reasons I'd never go with a new car is also because they lose about half their "value" in the first two years.Sep 09 19:39
DaemonFCAnd the dealer adds a charge for delivering the car from the factory to them, and that runs about an additional $775.Sep 09 19:40
DaemonFCThey sucker people into two year leases all the time, so there's a constant supply of two year old cars with about 25,000-30,000 miles on them, for about half price.Sep 09 19:40
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DaemonFCThat's the newest that any sane car buyer would want.Sep 09 19:40
sebsebseb Sep 09 19:41
MinceRone of the reasons i'd never buy a used car is because i'm not skilled in their evaluationSep 09 19:41
MinceRanother reason is that i've already seen previous owners mistreat cars horriblySep 09 19:41
DaemonFCWell, off lease cars are better.Sep 09 19:42
sebsebsebDaemonFC = Windows lover!Sep 09 19:42
MinceRmy car had several issues from the negligence of previous ownersSep 09 19:42
sebsebsebno not car Windows or something like thatSep 09 19:42
DaemonFCThey put in a mileage limit per year with huge overage charges, and they fine the person that leased the car if they can't prove they took it in for all scheduled service.Sep 09 19:42
sebsebseb,but yes Microsoft WindowsSep 09 19:42
DaemonFCSo if they skip the servicing to save $300, they'll end up paying a $1,000 fine when they turn it in.Sep 09 19:43
DaemonFCSo most people will just take it in for service.Sep 09 19:43
sebsebsebDaemonFC: knock knock, who's there at your door? Steve BallmerSep 09 19:43
sebsebsebMinceR: is it dark there?Sep 09 19:44
MinceRyesSep 09 19:44
DaemonFCMinceR, What's really funny is that the local car rental shop actually has all of its rental cars for sale.Sep 09 19:44
sebsebsebyeah nerely for here toSep 09 19:44
sebsebsebgetting dark nowSep 09 19:44
DaemonFCThat's how you guarantee you'll get one with major problems.Sep 09 19:44
sebsebsebDaemonFC: dependsSep 09 19:47
sebsebsebproper car hire companies tend to look after the cars reasaobnly wellSep 09 19:47
sebsebsebor so it seemsSep 09 19:47
sebsebsebDaemonFC: ,but right your on about  a small oneSep 09 19:47
DaemonFCWell, all I know is that I've driven rental cars for a week or so before, and I know what I did to them.Sep 09 19:54
DaemonFCOther people have probably done worse.Sep 09 19:54
DaemonFCWhen you rent a car, one of the requirements is that you bring it back with as much gas in it as when you took it off the lot.Sep 09 19:55
DaemonFCOr else they charge you like $8 a gallon. :PSep 09 19:55
DaemonFCSo, on my way back, I swing by the E85 station and fill it up with that.Sep 09 19:55
DaemonFC:)Sep 09 19:55
DaemonFCIt's usually like 65-70 cents per gallon cheaper than gasoline around here.Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFCSo I rented a car that was on Full and it was close to E when I got back to Indiana, so I filled it up with E85.Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFC17 gallon tank, so I saved about $10-12.Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFC:PSep 09 19:56
DaemonFCIt was a flex fuel though, so the only problem would be that the next person to rent it gets really shitty gas mileage.Sep 09 19:57
DaemonFC:)Sep 09 19:57
DaemonFCBut the gauge said Full, so I didn't get dinged.Sep 09 19:57
iophk0:38 - 0:40Sep 09 20:11
iophk 09 20:11 | Mercedes-Benz TV: Autonomous long-distance drive - YouTube  [ ]Sep 09 20:11
iophkUbuntu used in the shopSep 09 20:11
DaemonFCOne reason why I don't want a new Ford is because they include Microsoft software now.Sep 09 20:21
DaemonFC"Sync"Sep 09 20:22
DaemonFC 09 20:27 | Mayhem: GPS Video - YouTube  [ ]Sep 09 20:27
DaemonFCMinceR, Microsoft's navigation system...Sep 09 20:27
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DaemonFC 09 20:47 | Mayhem: Cleaning Lady Video - YouTube  [ ]Sep 09 20:47
MinceRanother reason not to buy a ford (or a bmw, or a kia...) is that if their "engineers" thought it was a good idea to run m$ software on a car, then their other decisions might well be as scary tooSep 09 20:55
DaemonFCMinceR, I call them Killed In Action. (KIA)Sep 09 20:59
MinceR:>Sep 09 20:59
DaemonFCThey look like you could swat them with a rolled up newspaper and total them.Sep 09 20:59
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DaemonFCJabba had a seizure.Sep 09 22:32
DaemonFCI rushed him to the vet, where they said he "seems OK" and charged me $60.Sep 09 22:32
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Sosumi#join /nvidiaSep 09 23:45
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MinceR:)Sep 09 23:45
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