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Sosumino cuda 5.5 support for fedora 19Sep 11 00:30
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amarsh04 11 00:46 | 【Project Phoenix】 Japan's indie RPG feat. AAA talent! by Creative Intelligence Arts, Inc. — Kickstarter  [ ]Sep 11 00:46
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DaemonFC 11 07:16 | [Phoronix] SSD Failure Temporarily Halts Linux 3.12 Kernel Work  [ ]Sep 11 07:16
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DaemonFCSeems that some cable companies are starting to bill customers who own their own modems a $7 a month "support" fee.Sep 11 08:07
DaemonFCWhich is the same price of renting one of their modems.Sep 11 08:07
DaemonFCI give up. You can't win with these people.Sep 11 08:07
JimmyCarterrespek da monopoluhSep 11 08:09
JimmyCarteractually you shuld report them to the better business bureauSep 11 08:09
DaemonFCLike they care.Sep 11 08:09
DaemonFCIf being voted the worst company in America didn't scare Comcast, why would the BBB?Sep 11 08:09
DaemonFC:)Sep 11 08:09
iophkHave you seen how the BBB has handled M$ complaints?  They just gloss over them.Sep 11 08:10
DaemonFCI'm not buying a cable modem because I hope that there will be another company doing business here before I'd recoup my costs.Sep 11 08:10
JimmyCartertheres a BBB in every stateSep 11 08:10
DaemonFCMetronet says they've been trying to get my apartment complex to allow them to service the tenants here.Sep 11 08:10
DaemonFCComcast doesn't know that I'm not allowed to go to Metronet, so I just call them every six months and threaten to.Sep 11 08:11
DaemonFCThen Comcast knocks $20 a month off my bill for another six months. :PSep 11 08:11
DaemonFCWindows is pretty much considered a fact of life just because it comes preloaded on nearly every new computer whether you want it or not.Sep 11 08:12
DaemonFCSo people have just gotten used to dealing with it.Sep 11 08:12
DaemonFCIt's not catching on with devices because Android and iOS were already there, and people think of Windows as that thing that already fucks up their PC.Sep 11 08:13
MisterEyou should report that to a slew of agenciesSep 11 08:13
MisterEFCCSep 11 08:13
MisterEconsumer protection boardSep 11 08:13
MisterEtype it once and send it to everyoneSep 11 08:13
MisterEincluding your repsSep 11 08:13
MisterEthink of all the suckers who just pay that retarded modem support feeSep 11 08:15
DaemonFCI pay $7 a month to rent a gateway.Sep 11 08:17
JimmyCarternot macs DaemonFCSep 11 08:17
DaemonFCIt would take 16 months to break even if I bought one.Sep 11 08:17
DaemonFCI'm kind of hoping that I won't have to do business with Comcast by then.Sep 11 08:17
JimmyCarteri have to say this macbook air is sweetest laptop im aware ofSep 11 08:18
MisterE 11 08:18
DaemonFCI'd feel silly if I bought a brand new gateway and then next month Metronet is available.Sep 11 08:18 | Top 1 percent in US took biggest share since 1928 -  [ ]Sep 11 08:18
MisterEI'll be buying a fiber modem soonSep 11 08:18
DaemonFCAnother reason I want to switch to Metronet is because they're a small ISP that hasn't been coerced into joining Six Strikes.Sep 11 08:18
DaemonFCComcast has a conflict of interest there.Sep 11 08:19
JimmyCarteralthough apples markup strategy is sadisticSep 11 08:19
DaemonFCThe ideal ISP deals with DMCA complaints by forwarding them to the customer and not revealing who had that IP address at that point in time without a valid court order to do so.Sep 11 08:20
DaemonFCComcast has been doing that in some cases, like with porn trolls.Sep 11 08:20
DaemonFCBut not when it's the RIAA/MPAA.Sep 11 08:20
DaemonFCA lot of copyright holders never follow through with individual lawsuits because they know it's unlikely that they'll get a big payday.Sep 11 08:21
DaemonFCThat's why Six Strikes came about.Sep 11 08:21
DaemonFCIf thousands of pirates just get disconnected from the internet, the problem goes away without spending the big bucks taking people who will file for bankruptcy to court.Sep 11 08:22
iophk 11 08:22 | FACT Teams Up With IBM to Track Down Movie and TV Show Pirates | TorrentFreak  [ ]Sep 11 08:22
DaemonFCIt's rare to get a DMCA complaint.Sep 11 08:22
DaemonFCI've gotten exactly ONE of them and I've been using file sharing since Napster.Sep 11 08:23
DaemonFCThe one I got was from a porn company.Sep 11 08:23
JimmyCartertorrents are p lameSep 11 08:25
JimmyCarter1 hop indirection could foil current trojan peer based enforcementSep 11 08:25
DaemonFCThe individual lawsuits failed because their goal was to pop up at random and attack a few people in the hope that it would scare everyone else.Sep 11 08:25
JimmyCarterI2P filesharing perhaps popular nextSep 11 08:25
DaemonFCIndividual RIAA/MPAA lawsuits were effectively a form of terrorism.Sep 11 08:26
JimmyCartersome people really believe in intellectual property, ask musiciansSep 11 08:27
JimmyCarterad copyrightSep 11 08:28
DaemonFCWell, their sales are down for the same reason that Walmart's are.Sep 11 08:28
JimmyCarter 11 08:28
DaemonFCThe people that they expect to shop there no longer have any disposable income.Sep 11 08:28
DaemonFCAs long as people are financially strained, the non-essential spending has to stop.Sep 11 08:29
DaemonFCCable TV is losing a million customers per year in the US at this point.Sep 11 08:29
JimmyCartergood riddanceSep 11 08:30
JimmyCartercomcast wont last foreverSep 11 08:30
DaemonFCPeople see they're spending $100 a month or more on something that they really don't need and it has to stop because their real wages are going down.Sep 11 08:30
JimmyCarteri remember when i praised comcast because it was ridic better for internet than monooly it displayed: SBCSep 11 08:31
DaemonFCI used to have SBC.Sep 11 08:31
DaemonFCAT&T bought them.Sep 11 08:31
DaemonFCThe DSL service available in my area has not improved at all since 2002.Sep 11 08:31
DaemonFCThe price has gone up.Sep 11 08:31
JimmyCarterso comcast offering cablemodem was a lot better than alternativeSep 11 08:33
JimmyCarterbut its all relative.  many years later.  comcast nothing compared to google fiber.  and theyre charging you 7$ for cablemodem you ownSep 11 08:34
DaemonFCI'm saving up for a newer car, so all the spending that could be cut has been cut.Sep 11 08:40
DaemonFCI got rid of my cable a couple of years ago and have not been tempted to get it back.Sep 11 08:41
DaemonFCIt just seems so ridiculous that they can charge those prices for what they deliver (mostly reruns and very old movies).Sep 11 08:41
JimmyCarter 11 08:43 | paperMoney  [ ]Sep 11 08:43
JimmyCarterhave you ever daytraded DaemonFCSep 11 08:44
JimmyCarterim lea learning it now and bet you would be good at itSep 11 08:49
DaemonFC 11 08:55 | 03 jeep liberty 4x4  [ ]Sep 11 08:55
DaemonFCThe same model of Jeep that killed my aunt.Sep 11 08:56
DaemonFCOnly hers was a 2007 and red.Sep 11 08:56
DaemonFCIt rolled over so many times that she didn't even have a chance.Sep 11 08:56
DaemonFCI will never drive one of these.Sep 11 08:56
DaemonFCI don't care if someone gave me one for free.Sep 11 08:56
DaemonFCThey're very unsafe.Sep 11 08:56
DaemonFC 11 09:00 | 2006 Ford Taurus Runs and Drives Great AC Nice Car  [ ]Sep 11 09:00
DaemonFCThat's not a bad deal.Sep 11 09:00
iophk 11 09:00 | Don't trust me: I might be a spook  [ ]Sep 11 09:00
DaemonFCI drive a 1995 Ford Taurus right now.Sep 11 09:00
DaemonFCIt has 144,000 miles on it.Sep 11 09:00
DaemonFCI don't drive that much so the mileage is low.Sep 11 09:01
DaemonFCThe body is starting to rot though.Sep 11 09:01
DaemonFCThat's what has me concerned.Sep 11 09:01
DaemonFCIt has electrical problems too.Sep 11 09:02
DaemonFCThe dome lights wouldn't shut off so I had to pull a fuse, which also caused the radio, the power mirrors, and the power door locks to stop working.Sep 11 09:03
DaemonFCThe keyless entry system doesn't work.Sep 11 09:03
DaemonFCThe rear view mirror fell off and I never bothered to put it back on.Sep 11 09:04
DaemonFCI just threw it in the back seat.Sep 11 09:04
DaemonFCSomeone broke off one of the door lock knobs on the rear passenger side, so that door doesn't open.Sep 11 09:05
DaemonFCTons of little problems like that, but I can't seem to bring myself to get rid of it because it runs and there's no car payment. :)Sep 11 09:05
DaemonFCI know that when I'm done with it, it will have to be crushed.Sep 11 09:05
schestowitz 11 09:21 A #question for #english people: What have been people's reaction to #porn content #blocking in #England?Sep 11 09:21
schestowitz"Fuck.. you'd think someone would have commented! I am American so i can only say i think it sucks for them!"Sep 11 09:22
schestowitz 11 09:22 Which Linux File Browser Is More Productive: Nautilus or Dolphin?Sep 11 09:22
TechrightsBot-tr-> | Which Linux File Browser Is More Productive: Nautilus or Dolphin?  [ ]Sep 11 09:22
schestowitz"Dolphin or Nemo (If you want GTK+, Nautilus is dead when it comes to productivity...)"Sep 11 09:23
schestowitzKonqueror still has more power than Dolphin, IMHOSep 11 09:23
iophkKonqueror has a well-designed modular structure.Sep 11 09:23
iophkIt may be rather unique in that way.Sep 11 09:23
schestowitzIt's too hard for some to use, compared to dolphinSep 11 09:24
schestowitzDolphin does not even have a menuSep 11 09:24
schestowitzEven when you press CTRL+M in the new KubuntuSep 11 09:25
schestowitzwhich is strangeSep 11 09:25
schestowitz 11 09:25 As part of the #BBC pro-war #propaganda a bad photo of a disgusting figure is used for smear by association tabloidSep 11 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> | BBC News - BNP's Nick Griffin claims he 'influenced' Syria vote  [ ]Sep 11 09:25
schestowitz"I'd say Assad should be careful who he associates with, but I guess with his brother he never stood a chance."Sep 11 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ )Sep 11 09:25
iophkThey all support SFTP now.Sep 11 09:25
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MisterEschestowitz: how is the EFF lacking managers that are techies compared to IIFF?Sep 11 09:38
MisterEI see the board, 6 out of 8 are geeks but the advisory board is mostly lawyersSep 11 09:38
MisterEwell heavily weightedSep 11 09:38
JimmyCarterjust who are you calling non-geek?Sep 11 09:39
MisterEBarlow?Sep 11 09:40
JimmyCarterwell cool people are always welcome tooSep 11 09:43
MisterEindeedSep 11 09:45
JimmyCarterare you advocating for more geeks on EFF board MisterE?Sep 11 09:45
MinceR 11 09:48 | UK Internet Filter Blocks VPNs, Australia to Follow Soon? | TorrentFreak  [ ]Sep 11 09:48
MinceRfascism advances in Airstrip OneSep 11 09:48
MisterEJimmyCarter: schestowitz was in an article he wroteSep 11 09:49 11 09:49
MisterEI'm going to be making a largish donation and want to structure how I want it usedSep 11 09:49
MisterEfor example the only patent activity it can be used for it to eliminate all sw patentsSep 11 09:49
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JimmyCarterwhyd you choose donation to eff over eg redcross or wikileaks?Sep 11 09:57
MisterEbecause I care more about the overall freedom of the internetSep 11 09:58
MisterEI think Assange is an asshatSep 11 09:58
MisterEand redcross, well, they get government money, I dont think they are hurtingSep 11 09:58
MisterEI have no family so internet has been a big part of my lifeSep 11 09:58
MinceRinternational red cross are idiotsSep 11 09:58
MinceRthey declared me a war criminal because i play violent videogamesSep 11 09:59
MinceRthis places them together with pat robertsonSep 11 09:59
MinceRthey don't deserve any money or supportSep 11 09:59
JimmyCarterim prtty sure assange is reincarnation of george washingtonSep 11 09:59
MisterEeff is rally the only group I can see who has a chance to make a differenceSep 11 09:59
MisterEobviously new crypto standards need to be written without the help of NSA / military, especially when quantum computing really maturesSep 11 10:00
MisterEthought I suspect that gov will be the first with those computers and will have a big head startSep 11 10:00
DaemonFCIndiana now says it will expand the Healthy Indiana Program instead of Medicaid.Sep 11 10:09
DaemonFCTruth is, they're both crap.Sep 11 10:09
DaemonFCHIP is an overglorified Health Savings Account that can only serve about one in every ten people that should otherwise qualify for it, and Medicaid is even worse.Sep 11 10:10
DaemonFCMedicaid has been completely hollowed out. It exists in theory, if you can find a doctor who will do a well-child exam for $6 or a dentist that will fill a cavity for $30.Sep 11 10:11
MisterEanything short of a UK style DHS single-payer option is an insultSep 11 10:11
DaemonFCSince none of them do, people on Medicaid use the ER like people without any insurance do.Sep 11 10:11
DaemonFCThe only part of Medicaid that functions like it should is the part that pays Medicare Part B and D premiums for very low income people.Sep 11 10:12
DaemonFCPeople don't realize what the Obamacare Medicaid expansion really is.Sep 11 10:12
MisterEnor did they realize what Bush's prescription drug scam was / isSep 11 10:13
DaemonFCIt takes worthless pretend insurance that's meant to provide the illusion that poor and very sick people aren't left to fend on their own, and expands that.Sep 11 10:13
MisterEtotally unfunded handoutSep 11 10:13
DaemonFCNow four times as many people can have insurance that doctors won't accept.Sep 11 10:14
MisterEhehSep 11 10:14
DaemonFCThe program is chronically under-funded. Most of what it costs to run it is the Medicare Savings Program that helps low income people pay their Medicare premiums.Sep 11 10:14
DaemonFCI had an ex that was so poor that he qualified for Indiana Medicaid. This was almost 10 years ago now.Sep 11 10:15
DaemonFCThey considered his application to be an "emergency" since he was between the ages of 18 and 21.Sep 11 10:15
DaemonFCSo the first thing that happens, is that we're at the dental clinic to get x-rays and cleanings (they do them for much less than a dentist's office would).Sep 11 10:16
DaemonFCWhile we're there, they do his x-rays and find one small cavity.Sep 11 10:16
DaemonFCSo I take him to a dentist in Fort Wayne that accepted Medicaid.Sep 11 10:16
DaemonFCThe dentist turns on the nitrous oxide, and when he comes to, he has FOUR new fillings.Sep 11 10:17
DaemonFCWhy four fillings for one cavity?Sep 11 10:17
DaemonFCThe Medicaid reimbursement rate is so low that the dentist drilled and filled three healthy teeth so that Medicaid would pay him something.Sep 11 10:18
DaemonFCHe gets away with it because it's his word against the word of some poor people that nobody cares about.Sep 11 10:18
MisterEjesusSep 11 10:18
MisterEI have all my dental work done at dental schoolsSep 11 10:18
DaemonFCThe one in Fort Wayne only does cleanings and x-rays.Sep 11 10:18
DaemonFCThere's one in Indianapolis that does more, but that's over 100 miles each way.Sep 11 10:19
MisterEhere: 11 10:19 | Dugoni School of Dentistry - Dental Services  [ ]Sep 11 10:19
DaemonFCIt wouldn't be politically popular to properly fund Medicaid, so it doesn't get done.Sep 11 10:20
MisterEthey did my wisdom teeth and filled a few cavities that formed under old fillings I had been given as a kid because the dentist decided my teeth had some "low spots"Sep 11 10:20
MisterEtrash medicare and medicaid and give VA style insurance to everyoneSep 11 10:20
MisterEbut Obama sold out alreadySep 11 10:21
MisterEit was the end of that hopey changey thing for meSep 11 10:21
DaemonFCThe states are usually responsible for about half of what it costs to run, so they like to balance their budgets by turning away as many people as possible, and setting reimbursement rates so low that doctors quit taking it.Sep 11 10:21
MisterEVA = Ventrans AdministrationSep 11 10:21
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DaemonFCYeah. If the public had access to something like the VA, they'd be pissed at how badly they've been treated for all these years.Sep 11 10:22
DaemonFCPoliticians try cutting into the VA all the time, but they never quite get away with it because it's "for veterans!".Sep 11 10:23
DaemonFCThere's basically three groups of people that can get help from the government without taking any public shaming for it.Sep 11 10:24
DaemonFCVeterans, old people, and children.Sep 11 10:25
DaemonFCNow that they've blown all the money and the Social Security bills are coming due because of the baby boomer generation retiring, the government is trying to cut into Social Security.Sep 11 10:27
DaemonFCWell, Carlin did say that they'd get it back sooner or later.Sep 11 10:27
DaemonFCPaying out Social Security benefits that are due is going to hinge on the government being able to continue borrowing, and hopefully at low interest rates that are not guaranteed to continue.Sep 11 10:28
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DaemonFCThere's likely going to be a lot of inflation as it churns out a lot of "new" money to cover the obligations.Sep 11 10:28
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DaemonFCIf advertisers told the truth....Sep 11 10:39
DaemonFC"Sign up for cable TV today, and for just $100 a month, you can watch reruns of shit that was on 20 years ago!"Sep 11 10:39
MinceR 11 10:53
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MisterEMinceR: that's not fair reallySep 11 11:13
MinceRwhy?Sep 11 11:14
MisterEthey said the fingerprint is stored encrypted on the new A7 chip and never goes anywhere near the networkSep 11 11:14
MinceRand you believe them?Sep 11 11:14
MisterEbut we'll seeSep 11 11:14
MinceRcrApple has more access to those devices than their supposed owner, who paid 10x as much as a smartphone costs for them!Sep 11 11:14
MisterEI'm far more concerned about jailbroken phonesSep 11 11:14
MisterEwith access tot he biometric sensorSep 11 11:14
MinceRso are theySep 11 11:14
MisterEthen you give it to someone to take your picSep 11 11:15
MisterEfor exampleSep 11 11:15
MisterEin this case it's just easier to detain someone and force them to put their finger on itSep 11 11:15
MisterEnearly impossible to proveSep 11 11:15
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iophk 11 11:20 | The lifecycle of a new relay | The Tor Blog  [ ]Sep 11 11:20
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schestowitzJust mailed RMS: "30 years -- 3 decades that is -- your revolutionary idea took roots and changed the world, over time (others tried to fork ideas and claim credit). Techrights would like to do an E-mail interviews for a special series of articles about the roots of GNU and its anniversary. Would you be interested?"Sep 11 11:39
JimmyCarterask about the militant branch of gnuSep 11 11:41
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schestowitzwhat's that branch?Sep 11 11:46
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schestowitz 11 12:21
TechrightsBot-tr@gkrishnaks: @schestowitz But without student loans, those who are not rich -cannot pursue Engineering,other  costly programmes in top universities :(Sep 11 12:21
schestowitzTrue, but how big should the loans be? Tuition fees had MASSIVE hikes. See historical pricing.Sep 11 12:22
iophk 11 12:33
iophk 11 12:33 | NSA: No one “had a full understanding” of 2009 call-checking program | Ars Technica  [ ]Sep 11 12:34 | NSA Illegally Gorged on U.S. Phone Records for Three Years | Threat Level |  [ ]Sep 11 12:34
iophk 11 12:37 | Communities Dominate Brands: iPhone 5C and 5S - too similar in price to bring big market share gains  [ ]Sep 11 12:37
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oiaohmSeams Linus found the wosrt side of ssdSep 11 12:42
iophkHow so?Sep 11 12:42
oiaohmiophk: the nice little failure he has had .Sep 11 12:47
iophk 11 12:48 | [Phoronix] SSD Failure Temporarily Halts Linux 3.12 Kernel Work  [ ]Sep 11 12:48
iophkHow long had he been using the same SSD?Sep 11 12:48
DaemonFCI just saw one of those JD Byrider commercials.Sep 11 12:51
DaemonFCThose are really annoying.Sep 11 12:51
DaemonFC(Bad credit car dealer)Sep 11 12:51
DaemonFCThey have this jingle "You get the credit, you get the car! JD Byrider!", so I started singing "You get the lemon, we trash your credit! JD Byrider!"Sep 11 12:52
DaemonFCThey're pretty much infamous for selling cars that break down on your way back home with them and doing lots of repossessions for various reasons (including the ever popular "The car didn't even make it home and it needs $2,000 worth of work. Come get it!" one...)Sep 11 12:54
DaemonFCThe guy that started that company actually had some new car dealerships before that. One of my aunts bought a new car from DeVoe Chevrolet. She kept having problems with the driver's window motor. They'd keep "fixing" it (and getting the warranty money from GM) and then it would stop working again a few days later.Sep 11 12:57
DaemonFCShe finally went to one of the technicians and said "You're never going to fix this, are you?"Sep 11 12:57
DaemonFCHe said "Well, I'm not allowed to tell you that."Sep 11 12:58
DaemonFC:)Sep 11 12:58
oiaohmiophk: SSD have nice creative fun.Sep 11 12:59
DaemonFCThe only thing worse than dealing with car salesmen is dealing with car mechanics.Sep 11 12:59
oiaohmDaemonFC: there is worse.Sep 11 13:00
oiaohmWait until you have a car failure needing auto elect + mechenic + locksmith.Sep 11 13:01
DaemonFCI did lock myself out of my car once. That sucked.Sep 11 13:05
DaemonFCThankfully it was a small town and I flagged down a police officer and signed a damage waiver.Sep 11 13:06
DaemonFCHe managed to get the door open.Sep 11 13:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: can you work out what fault I am refering to that requires all those there at the same time at your car to fix it.Sep 11 13:06
DaemonFCMy car alarm was going off until I managed to reach in and grab the remote.Sep 11 13:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: you know the rfid detector in the sterring to detect the new keys.Sep 11 13:07
DaemonFCEver since that incident, I've always had a spare car door key in my wallet. :)Sep 11 13:07
oiaohmDaemonFC: you need all three to be able to remove and replace it.Sep 11 13:07
oiaohmDaemonFC: until is fixed cars don't go anywhere.Sep 11 13:08
DaemonFCI like to do my shopping and stuff at night. Around 2-3 AM when nobody else is out.Sep 11 13:10
DaemonFCI hate getting stuck behind other people.Sep 11 13:11
DaemonFCThere's always the guy that goes 5 MPH through the light and makes everyone else miss it, etc., etc.Sep 11 13:11
oiaohmDaemonFC: I am in a backwater.  No 24/7 shopping.Sep 11 13:11
oiaohmOk other than pies.Sep 11 13:11
oiaohmSerousally its the only thing here you can buy any hour of the day.Sep 11 13:12
DaemonFCI think it is safe for most people to stop fucking now. The world obviously has too much redundancy if I keep getting stuck behind that guy.Sep 11 13:12
DaemonFCI think MinceR would agree.Sep 11 13:12
MinceRindeed.Sep 11 13:13
oiaohmDaemonFC: really is a lack of redundancy because if there was enough redundancy you should be able to avoid his path.Sep 11 13:13
DaemonFCThere is no avoiding "that guy".Sep 11 13:14
DaemonFCUnless you can get away with driving at night, when "that guy" is asleep.Sep 11 13:14
DaemonFCThe thing I haven't figured out yet is why I always get stuck waiting on a train no matter what time I leave the house.Sep 11 13:15
DaemonFCIf  they're booking it, I just put the car in park and wait.Sep 11 13:15
DaemonFCIf they're creeping along, I put the car in park and shut the engine off.Sep 11 13:16
DaemonFCGas is too expensive to get 0 MPG.Sep 11 13:16
DaemonFCI've seen them take over 15 minutes to clear the road before.Sep 11 13:17
oiaohmDaemonFC: that 0MPG problem is where hybrids are good.Sep 11 13:17
DaemonFCPeople around me keep their engines on. Each one of them probably wasted $5-6 waiting for the train to pass.Sep 11 13:17
MinceREVs are even better at that :>Sep 11 13:17
oiaohmMinceR: I am in Australia I need millage at times.Sep 11 13:17
oiaohmEV still have horible millage problems.Sep 11 13:18
MinceRicSep 11 13:18
DaemonFCMinceR, Well, if you have $37,000 plus Indiana sales tax, plus title, registration, and license fees, plus the $800 delivery surcharge just sitting around, I'd love to have a Chevy Volt.Sep 11 13:18
oiaohmDaemonFC: reason why you get stuck by trains is poor road design.  Lack of railway under/over passes.Sep 11 13:18
MinceRsounds more like a range problemSep 11 13:19
oiaohmDaemonFC: trains don't run to a perfect time table.Sep 11 13:19
MinceRisn't the chevy volt just another power split hybrid?Sep 11 13:19
DaemonFCI think it has a gasoline engine, but it doesn't use it for in-town driving.Sep 11 13:19
DaemonFCYou have to deplete the battery or go more than 40 MPH for that to turn on I think.Sep 11 13:20
DaemonFCSo you're still looking at some savings.Sep 11 13:20
DaemonFCAssuming you have the money to buy the car in the first place.Sep 11 13:20
DaemonFCThat's a problem for about 85% of the American public right now.Sep 11 13:20
oiaohm  is a modern Sep 11 13:21 | Chevrolet Volt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ ]Sep 11 13:21
DaemonFCObama is talking about tougher CAFE standards as if people can just go out and buy a new car.Sep 11 13:21
oiaohmMinceR: petrol goes to generator.Sep 11 13:21
oiaohmMinceR: so only thing connect to wheels in a Chevrolet volt is the electric motors.Sep 11 13:21
DaemonFCCompletely ignoring the reality that MOST people are driving something that is very old and are just barely able to keep patching it up so it will work well past its expected useful life.Sep 11 13:21
DaemonFCI'm sure that Ford did not design my car to be running 20 years later.Sep 11 13:22
MinceRi thought only the concept vehicle version of the Volt was a series hybridSep 11 13:22
oiaohmMinceR: Chevrolet Volt is a EV with means to do lots of millage.Sep 11 13:22
MinceRand then they turned it into a power split hybrid for mass productionSep 11 13:22
MinceRbut then again, that article could have been entirely wrongSep 11 13:22
MinceR(the one i read that in)Sep 11 13:22
DaemonFCI see lots of people driving cars that are way older than 1995.Sep 11 13:22
DaemonFCI saw someone driving a 1987 Chevrolet Celebrity the other day.Sep 11 13:23
DaemonFCLots of people driving really old cars.Sep 11 13:23
iophkGasoline must be almost free there.Sep 11 13:23
DaemonFCBumping up the CAFE standards today won't have much of an effect for the next 10 years.Sep 11 13:23
MinceRgasoline is still very cheap in the usa, afaikSep 11 13:24
DaemonFCNearly $4 per gallon.Sep 11 13:24
DaemonFCWhen I started driving, it was only like $1.60-$1.75.Sep 11 13:25
DaemonFCSomething like that.Sep 11 13:25
oiaohmMinceR: Volt in mass production is a hybrid in prototype was a hybrid because batteries that stored enough power could not be made.Sep 11 13:25
oiaohmMinceR: and still has not been made.Sep 11 13:25
DaemonFCSo in a little over 13 years, it's more than doubled in price.Sep 11 13:26
MinceRi don't think i understand youSep 11 13:26
DaemonFCwages haven'tSep 11 13:26
DaemonFCSo gas prices are having a real drag on buying power.Sep 11 13:26
oiaohmMinceR: yes the volt first idea was to be a EV.   Problem was batteries.   Early docs say it going to be a EV.Sep 11 13:26
iophk$4 per gallon is about $1.06 per literSep 11 13:26
oiaohmMinceR: basically if we had better batteries the Volt would be a EV.Sep 11 13:27
MinceRicSep 11 13:27
oiaohmMinceR: your confusion comes from what the volt idea was.Sep 11 13:27
oiaohmMinceR: not what the prototypes were.Sep 11 13:27
MinceRthere's also that series hybrids are also described as extended range EVs or somethingSep 11 13:27
oiaohmMinceR: ie the combustion engine was included in the prototypes to make up for the missing battery caps.Sep 11 13:27
iophkThat's about 0.80 EUR per liter if I did it correctly.Sep 11 13:27
DaemonFCI think it's unfair to overlook what's happened in the last 10 years.Sep 11 13:27
oiaohmMinceR: volt is a extended range EVsSep 11 13:28
DaemonFCMany people have seen their wages cut in half while the price of things has doubled.Sep 11 13:28
DaemonFC10 years ago I didn't really stop to worry about how much gas was going to cost.Sep 11 13:28
oiaohmMinceR: extended range EV's have the one common feature the fuel motor with no connection to drive train.Sep 11 13:28
MinceRindeedSep 11 13:28
DaemonFCI just went wherever I wanted to.Sep 11 13:28
DaemonFCOf course, the car insurance companies really lay into you when you're 18 years old.Sep 11 13:29
oiaohmFunny enough petol to generator to drive electric motors can work out more effective than having gear boxes and junk.Sep 11 13:29
DaemonFCMy premiums were about $100 a month then and $24 a month now for the same coverage.Sep 11 13:30
oiaohmDaemonFC: you have to allow for how stupid 18 year olds can be.Sep 11 13:30
oiaohmDaemonFC: 18 year old with cheep insurance lot of payouts would be coming.Sep 11 13:30
DaemonFCI think they just exaggerate that as an excuse to gouge.Sep 11 13:31
oiaohmDaemonFC: I have had the fun of working for insurance brokers.Sep 11 13:31
DaemonFCSuch a scam.Sep 11 13:32
oiaohmSorry they are not gouging that much.Sep 11 13:32
oiaohmFrom an insurance point of view they would like for no one to drive on the open road before 22.Sep 11 13:32
oiaohmbetween 16 to 22 is the most likely time for you to be in an at fault acciedent.Sep 11 13:33
DaemonFCI guess I should probably carry more coverage, but I just don't because I have enough to legally drive the car without being hit with major fines, jail, and license revocation.Sep 11 13:35
DaemonFCI just keep the minimum amount.Sep 11 13:35
DaemonFCMy car is a big pile of shit that's not worth very much and I guess I'm feeling lucky.Sep 11 13:35
oiaohmSome cars the insurnace is the in bank balacne.Sep 11 13:35
oiaohmI have had a few crap cars only worth 1000 dollars or so.Sep 11 13:36
DaemonFCThere's a couple of states where you don't have to carry car insurance.Sep 11 13:36
DaemonFCNew Hampshire doesn't require it at all.Sep 11 13:36
oiaohmYes it suppirsing how cheep a car can be when its missing all the insides bar the drivers seat.Sep 11 13:36
DaemonFCVirginia doesn't make you carry it, but it's cheaper if you do in most cases.Sep 11 13:37
oiaohmCar insurance here in Australia is part of car rego for the basic third party.Sep 11 13:37
DaemonFCIf you don't, you have to pay $500 a year to the state, which pays out claims from a fund.Sep 11 13:37
oiaohmIe no rego stick of you have no third party insurance simple.Sep 11 13:37
oiaohmNone of this crap of having paper to cart with car.Sep 11 13:37
DaemonFCSo the state ends up becoming the place to go when nobody will give you affordable insurance.Sep 11 13:37
oiaohmDaemonFC: our rego payment and our insruance are linked in Australia.Sep 11 13:38
DaemonFCHaving a car worth more than a few thousand dollars is almost always a Big Mistake.Sep 11 13:38
DaemonFCIf you do, you'll end up needing all kinds of insurance, maybe a car loan.Sep 11 13:38
DaemonFCYou'll be watching it depreciate rapidly.Sep 11 13:39
oiaohmCar loan intergrated insurance here.Sep 11 13:39
DaemonFCThey actually have this thing called gap insurance for people who buy new cars.Sep 11 13:39
oiaohmThe loan provider for car also agrees to insure it for life of loan.Sep 11 13:39
DaemonFCBecause if you wreck it when it's only a year old, the car is worth an average of about $6,900 less than what you owe on it.Sep 11 13:39
DaemonFCHow's that for a terrible investment?Sep 11 13:39
oiaohmDaemonFC: Australian law is a techical mess.Sep 11 13:39
oiaohmDaemonFC: if you have a loan on a car do you own it.Sep 11 13:40
DaemonFCHere. Invest this much money and I guarantee you'll lose a third of it by this time next year!Sep 11 13:40
DaemonFCWho does that?Sep 11 13:40
oiaohmDaemonFC: Australian law no.Sep 11 13:40
oiaohmDaemonFC: do you have fleet discounts over there.Sep 11 13:41
DaemonFCyeahSep 11 13:41
DaemonFCmost people don't do that thoughSep 11 13:41
oiaohmI mean for the public.Sep 11 13:41
oiaohm 11 13:42 | New Car Broker | Buy a Discounted New Car | Australian Car ReviewsSep 11 13:42
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes welcome to strange australia.Sep 11 13:42
oiaohmThe same companies that higher cars to people also sell cars to people.Sep 11 13:42
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes fleet discounts is normal Australian buyers want.Sep 11 13:43
oiaohmDaemonFC: Yes australia we have RRP for a car that no one pays.   Dealer is lucky to make + 10 percent per car.Sep 11 13:44
oiaohmDaemonFC: 11 13:47 | What is a Novated Lease? Novated Leasing Examples and Quotes  [ ]Sep 11 13:47
oiaohmDaemonFC:  yes cars are also tax avoidance for those in high tax brackets as well.Sep 11 13:48
DaemonFCThere's always some cars around that are old but have low mileage and have been garaged.Sep 11 13:48
DaemonFC$3,000-$4,000 seems to be the sweet spotSep 11 13:48
DaemonFCI'm just not comfortable spending more than that on a car.Sep 11 13:48
DaemonFCI only paid $2,000 for what I'm driving right now, and I've had it for over 8 years.Sep 11 13:49
oiaohmDaemonFC: low milage is rare in Australia with second hand.Sep 11 13:50
oiaohmDaemonFC: ok you might have a recondudioned japan engine in the car giving it a low millage engine.Sep 11 13:51
oiaohmDaemonFC: but japan engines are hell due to all the extra envormental control parts on them.Sep 11 13:51
oiaohmWhen I say japan engine.  I mean a engine that was designed for use in japan.  Not a japan made one.Sep 11 13:52
DaemonFCI could probably save up for a couple more months and buy something that's better than what I'm driving.Sep 11 13:53
DaemonFCI just feel that this car is getting a little too old for comfort.Sep 11 13:54
DaemonFCI'll probably get rid of it and buy something that's about 10 years old.Sep 11 13:54
DaemonFC 11 14:03 | Cars for Sale: 2004 Ford Crown Victoria LX in Columbia City, IN 46725: Sedan Details - 352306858 -  [ ]Sep 11 14:03
DaemonFCThat's not a bad deal.Sep 11 14:03
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amarsh04oiaohm, still having problems building the newer linux kernels - the new ones only have /dev/disk/by-id and /dev/disk/????? but not /dev/disk/by-uuidSep 11 14:25
amarsh04will try to remove .config / .config.old between each git-bisect rebuild this timeSep 11 14:26
amarsh04restarting and trying againSep 11 14:29
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amarsh04oiaohm, had to set CONFIG_ATA and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD to YSep 11 15:11
amarsh04why it worked on 3.11.0 without them set and didn't work now, I don't knowSep 11 15:11
oiaohmamarsh04: I have got my lvm working with standard debian scripts but its strange.Sep 11 15:12
oiaohmlvmwait=<the lvm I need> bootwait=1 as kernel command line.Sep 11 15:12
amarsh04goodSep 11 15:12
oiaohmOpps rootdelay=1Sep 11 15:13
oiaohmnot bootwait.Sep 11 15:13
oiaohmTurns out bootwait=0 lvmwait does not work.Sep 11 15:13
iophk 11 15:16 | NSA's Crypto Betrayal: Good News for Open Source? - Open Enterprise  [ ]Sep 11 15:16
oiaohmiophk: the NSA threat is scary.Sep 11 15:30
oiaohmiophk: the number of connections NSA has into the internet around the word is massy.Sep 11 15:31
oiaohmmassy messy.Sep 11 15:31
iophkYes, and many through M$ garbageSep 11 15:31
oiaohmM$ allows the NSA custom signing keys for there own drivers.Sep 11 15:31
iophkThere's some more noise here about a 5-year old bit of news:Sep 11 15:32
iophk 11 15:32 | Are the NIST Standard Elliptic Curves Back-doored? - Slashdot  [ ]Sep 11 15:32
iophkIf I understand correctly Snowden's documents may have confirmed that.Sep 11 15:32
iophkThough it is all getting to be a bit much to  follow.Sep 11 15:33
oiaohmHas confirmed it.Sep 11 15:33
oiaohmContains the planing to sabotage in 2006Sep 11 15:33
oiaohmYes 2011 lot of major parties were getting worried.Sep 11 15:33
oiaohmYes the non described constants was something.Sep 11 15:34
iophkSome of it was a case of making the spec so complicated an convoluted that proper analysis was not possible.Sep 11 15:37
iophkThis calls into question not just some other standards but the process of developing those standards.Sep 11 15:38
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iophkIt looks like FreeBSD is dropping gcc from two of its architectures: 11 15:56 | WhatsNew/FreeBSD10 - FreeBSD Wiki  [ ]Sep 11 15:56
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sebsebseb Sep 11 15:58
oiaohmiophk: to be expected BSD camp has never been happy about gcc dependance.Sep 11 15:58
sebsebsebiophk: amazing might get a big sponser for the event it turns out!Sep 11 15:58
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iophksebsebseb: coolSep 11 15:59
sebsebsebiophk: indeed :)Sep 11 16:00
iophkCan that somehow help get your installfest into the local news ahead of time?Sep 11 16:00
sebsebseboh yeah probably not sure if they will sponser the whole thing yet, but going to try and find out :)Sep 11 16:01
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DaemonFC$10 back on $30 at Sears Auto....Sep 11 17:19
DaemonFCIt'd be nice if there was one here.Sep 11 17:19
DaemonFCI've been meaning to get around to an oil change...Sep 11 17:19
DaemonFC 11 17:21 | Is high mileage oil a rip off?  What am I getting for the extra money?  What's the difference 'tween it a  [ ]Sep 11 17:21
DaemonFCYou're getting the satisfaction of knowing you got duped into paying another $15 for your oil change.Sep 11 17:21
DaemonFCThat's what you get for the extra money.Sep 11 17:21
DaemonFCYou shouldn't use that because your car has a lot of miles. You'd only use it to cover up problems that your engine already has.Sep 11 17:22
DaemonFCMinor oil leaks caused by bad seals and rings, sometimes smoke coming out of the tailpipe.Sep 11 17:22
DaemonFCIt's not a magic elixir that turns a shitty car into a new car. It's something you'd use once....when you're trying to unload it onto someone else.Sep 11 17:23
DaemonFCSometimes that high mileage engine crap does more harm than good.Sep 11 17:24
DaemonFCThe worst offender would be stuff like "motor honey" and STP oil treatment.Sep 11 17:24
DaemonFCI've actually seen people pour that stuff in and then blow a head gasket.Sep 11 17:24
DaemonFCOr plug up the oil pump and have the engine seize up.Sep 11 17:25
DaemonFCMagic car potions are better to leave on the shelf.Sep 11 17:25
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iophk 11 18:01 | The NSA Isn’t Evil, It’s Trying To Protect Us, Says PayPal’s Max Levchin  |  TechCrunch  [ ]Sep 11 18:01
iophkNew, plastic phone : 11 18:11 | In Beijing, the New iPhone Gets a Resounding 'Meh' - Businessweek  [ ]Sep 11 18:12
iophk 11 18:16 | NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel | World news |  [ ]Sep 11 18:16
DaemonFC Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Sep 11, 2013 10:17:46 AM PDTSep 11 18:18
DaemonFCZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 11 18:18
DaemonFCMost of the jobs being created remind me of that scene in that James Bond movie with the unnecessarily slow laser that will cut him in half while the villain says "No, Mister Bond! I expect you to die!".Sep 11 18:18
DaemonFCAnyone who has ever worked for an abusive low wage employer should appreciate that. The longer you work for those people, the poorer you get, the more things you fall behind on.Sep 11 18:18
DaemonFCWe often hear about seniors on Social Security and Medicare having to choose between food, rent, medical care, and groceries, but millions of people between ages 18-65 have those problems and more (many have no guaranteed income and no insurance at all). They're right. That is a terrible choice that nobody should ever have to make. People I used to work with at Walmart were trying to feed their children healthy food, while they subsisted larSep 11 18:18
DaemonFCgely on ramen noodles and peanut butter sandwiches themselves. Everyone wants better for their kids, but the truth is that for most people there's not a hell of a lot out there now, and it's only getting worse.Sep 11 18:18
DaemonFCLow wage jobs leave people ripe for exploitation by the flip side of the poverty coin. Things like payday loan sharks, rent-to-own, check cashing for a fee, and "buy here pay here" car lots that double the fair market value of vehicles and then finance them at the kind of APR you'd get on the credit card from hell. Collection agencies calling about medical bills that are unpayable...... Sep 11 18:18
DaemonFCWell, luckily the bastards haven't managed to shut down Planned Parenthood in Indiana, yet.Sep 11 18:20
DaemonFCThey run what's possibly the largest poverty relief program there is. Sterilization at a sliding-scale fee.Sep 11 18:21
DaemonFCPeople who are trapped in poverty have kids, and those kids cause them to sink further into poverty.Sep 11 18:22
DaemonFCPeople who weren't in poverty have kids and suddenly they are in poverty.Sep 11 18:22
DaemonFCThere's an RN that someone I know works with who had 7 kids.Sep 11 18:22
DaemonFCNow she's making over $25 an hour and is still on food stamps. Has all the kids on Medicaid and free school lunches too.Sep 11 18:23
DaemonFCThere's something wrong with this picture.Sep 11 18:23
DaemonFC:)Sep 11 18:23
DaemonFC 11 18:33
MinceRi thought NRA logic was "let's blame gun crime on videogames and movies"Sep 11 18:36
XFaCEMinceR: DaemonFC prurigro 11 18:36 | Michael Geist - Canada Facilitated NSA's Effort To Weaken Encryption StandardsSep 11 18:36
XFaCE*Canada Facilitated NSA's Effort To Weaken Encryption Standards*Sep 11 18:36
MinceRicSep 11 18:37
DaemonFCI don't know why the US used to have export bans on "strong encryption" that the NSA could easily break anyway.Sep 11 18:38
MinceRperhaps they couldn'tSep 11 18:38
DaemonFCThere used to be two versions of the Netscape browser.Sep 11 18:38
MinceRso far there was some note of the nsa breaking _implementations_ and submitting _some_ algorithms with backdoorsSep 11 18:38
MinceRas far as i can tellSep 11 18:39
DaemonFCOne with "strong" (128-bit) and one with weak (56-bit) encryption support.Sep 11 18:39
MinceRi knowSep 11 18:39
DaemonFCAlong with a EULA clause that said that people outside the US couldn't use the first version.Sep 11 18:39
DaemonFCI doubt it ever stopped anyone.Sep 11 18:39
DaemonFCI would have ignored it.Sep 11 18:39
iophk 11 18:47 | European Commission pushes for net neutrality and end to roaming fees | The Verge  [ ]Sep 11 18:47
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iophk 11 19:36 | Can Fingerprint Authentication Be Hacked? Yes. What Apple's Move Means | Wired Opinion |  [ ]Sep 11 19:36
MinceR 11 19:44 | Louis CK learns about the Catholic Church - YouTube  [ ]Sep 11 19:44
iophk 11 19:51 | Feds aren't 'knowingly' weakening encryption, says U.S. official - Computerworld  [ ]Sep 11 19:51
iophk'"What is it about him that makes him different from other government and corporate officials who have been lying about what the NSA does?" said Schneier.'Sep 11 19:51
iophkTrying to gain users' files as ransom : 11 19:52 | Microsoft rolls out free Office 365 for charities - IT News from  [ ]Sep 11 19:53
iophkThe articles should have mentioned also LibreOffice or even Google DriveSep 11 19:53
iophkToo many of these articles are pr pieces dressed up as articles.Sep 11 19:54
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iophk 11 20:39 | Pirate MEPs nominate Snowden for the EU Sakharov Prize | Christian Engström, Pirate MEP  [ ]Sep 11 20:39
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iophkNo date on this one but interesting concept: 11 21:04 | Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Intro  [ ]Sep 11 21:04
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iophk 11 21:14 | Copyright Holders Propose Unprecedented Search Engine Manipulation | TorrentFreak  [ ]Sep 11 21:14
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schestowitzRMS has agreed to do more interview with us..Sep 11 21:46
schestowitz>         [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please considerSep 11 21:46
schestowitz>         [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,Sep 11 21:46
schestowitz>         [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.Sep 11 21:46
schestowitz> Sep 11 21:46
schestowitz>     Techrights would like to do an E-mail interviews for aSep 11 21:46
schestowitz>     special series of articles about the roots of GNU and its anniversary.Sep 11 21:46
schestowitz>     Would you be interested?Sep 11 21:46
schestowitz> Sep 11 21:46
schestowitz> I am certainly interested, but I expect to be horribly overloaded.Sep 11 21:46
schestowitz> Maybe I can only do one for you, not a series.Sep 11 21:46
schestowitzYes, I was planning to do one interview, then split it by topics (our Oxford interview I split into 19; I have released 8 thus far, to last till Grav-Mass).Sep 11 21:46
schestowitzCan I please send a list of questions themed to match the special date?Sep 11 21:46
schestowitzThanks, Richard!Sep 11 21:46
schestowitz<li><h5><a href="" rel="nofollow">Canada Facilitated NSA's Effort To Weaken Encryption Standards</a></h5></li>Sep 11 21:49 | Michael Geist - Canada Facilitated NSA's Effort To Weaken Encryption StandardsSep 11 21:49
schestowitz 11 21:49
TechrightsBot-tr@fcassia: @BillGates Windows ME and Vista EULAs can be used as toilet paper, too! @danablankenhorn cc/@schestowitz @wegotblanketsSep 11 21:49
schestowitz 11 21:50
TechrightsBot-tr@danablankenhorn: @fcassia @BillGates @schestowitz @wegotblankets But Windows 1.0 will always be a collector's item. I still have my signed copy, Bill!Sep 11 21:50
schestowitz 11 21:50
TechrightsBot-tr@fcassia: @danablankenhorn Microsoft OS/2... the operating system of the 1990s @BillGates @schestowitz @wegotblanketsSep 11 21:50
schestowitzTalking to the PR staff fielding the "Gates" BrandSep 11 21:50
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TechrightsBot-tr@fcassia: @schestowitz Oh Roy, pls dont ruin some good spirited fun ;) @danablankenhorn @BillGates @wegotblanketsSep 11 22:10
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