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| iophk | http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/it-business/3468260/digital-rights-activist-eus-proposed-net-neutrality-law-as-useful-as-an-umbrella-in-a-hurricane/ | Sep 12 09:02 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworlduk.com | Digital rights activist: EU's proposed net neutrality law 'as useful as an umbrella in a hurricane' - ComputerworldUK.com [ http://ur1.ca/fhvfs ] | Sep 12 09:02 |
| iophk | "Chromebook plus a government-forged Google certificate equals a man-in-the-middle attack against the SSL security of Google's services—and a way for the government to read all of your e-mails and documents as they pass back and forth through an Internet chokepoint to and from your browser." | Sep 12 09:04 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/why-the-nsa-loves-googles-chromebook/ | Sep 12 09:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Why the NSA loves Google’s Chromebook | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fhvgl ] | Sep 12 09:04 |
| schestowitz | by extension, NSA loves Google | Sep 12 09:08 |
| iophk | It does help centralize a heck of a lot of data | Sep 12 09:08 |
| schestowitz | even mouse clicks | Sep 12 09:09 |
| schestowitz | Apps, StreetView, etc. | Sep 12 09:10 |
| schestowitz | And one increasingly needs to log in, nm the cookies | Sep 12 09:10 |
| schestowitz | so they know what places people THINK of | Sep 12 09:10 |
| schestowitz | The whole "crime prediction" fantasy | Sep 12 09:10 |
| schestowitz | YouTube gives the NSA list of videos people are exposed toi | Sep 12 09:10 |
| schestowitz | or click on, or when they pause, skip.. | Sep 12 09:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 12 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Bright pushing M$ again. - I thought that Nokia had already outsourced hardware | Sep 12 09:11 |
| schestowitz | "The Nokia purchase: Microsoft starts turning in to Microhard" | Sep 12 09:11 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/the-nokia-purchase-microsoft-starts-turning-in-to-microhard/ | Sep 12 09:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 12 09:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | The Nokia purchase: Microsoft starts turning into Microhard | Ars Technica | Sep 12 09:11 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza loves Microsoft | Sep 12 09:11 |
| schestowitz | It's his role at Ars | Sep 12 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Like Ina Fried at CNET | Sep 12 09:11 |
| iophk | Youtube does a lot of control over which ones are viewed. Many are blocked from the HTML5 test and require backdooring your system with Flash (if it runs) to view. That gives them the keyboard, mouse, camera and microphone. | Sep 12 09:12 |
| iophk | Yes M$ has their moles in most publications now. | Sep 12 09:12 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Sep 12 09:27 |
| MinceR | geekings | Sep 12 09:30 |
| iophk | "A computer program is not a patentable invention." Section 15, part 3A: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2008/0235/latest/whole.html#DLM1419230 | Sep 12 09:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 400 @ http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2008/0235/latest/whole.html#DLM1419230 ) | Sep 12 09:46 |
| MinceR | so they'll combine it with random hardware and patent it anyway? :> | Sep 12 09:49 |
| iophk | Probably | Sep 12 09:49 |
| iophk | It's not *software*, it's *firmware* | Sep 12 09:49 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2048598/mark-zuckerberg-and-marissa-mayer-field-questions-about-prism.html | Sep 12 09:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | Mark Zuckerberg and Marissa Mayer field questions about Prism | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fhw3s ] | Sep 12 09:54 |
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| MinceR | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/adN7wo9_700b_v4.jpg | Sep 12 11:11 |
| MisterE | only people who jailbreak are vulnerable | Sep 12 11:16 |
| MisterE | again, I dont think that is fair, you've clearly made up your mind and won't consider any other possibility | Sep 12 11:17 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Sep 12 11:17 |
| MinceR | because clearly crApple didn't take part in PRISM, right? | Sep 12 11:17 |
| MisterE | and to say NSA or government asked Applefor this is probably more suited for #conspiracy | Sep 12 11:17 |
| MisterE | Apple was the last major company to participate | Sep 12 11:17 |
| MinceR | they can betray your trust any number of times and you'll just keep trusting them | Sep 12 11:17 |
| MisterE | they held out the longest | Sep 12 11:17 |
| MisterE | at least you can say that | Sep 12 11:18 |
| MisterE | MS fukin jumped in bet with them, helped design it | Sep 12 11:18 |
| MisterE | thats who you should be bashing | Sep 12 11:18 |
| MinceR | m$ and crApple are two sides of the same coin | Sep 12 11:18 |
| MinceR | it's a false dichotomy | Sep 12 11:18 |
| MisterE | for a long time Apple's Messages app was not crackable by NSA | Sep 12 11:18 |
| MinceR | they're more similar now than ever before | Sep 12 11:18 |
| MisterE | cept one was quick to jump in and be the first company to pilot the program, the otehr held out for years | Sep 12 11:18 |
| MisterE | and I suspect was forced under secret court order | Sep 12 11:19 |
| MinceR | that's just speculation | Sep 12 11:19 |
| MisterE | I suspect many of the latter participants were | Sep 12 11:19 |
| MisterE | ofc it is so is your info | Sep 12 11:19 |
| MisterE | it's all secret so we'll never know the truth | Sep 12 11:19 |
| MisterE | unless snowden grabbed some docs to be released soon | Sep 12 11:19 |
| MisterE | apparently he had access to much more than anyone thought | Sep 12 11:20 |
| MinceR | https://ribanc.com/files/31v89fX.png | Sep 12 11:20 |
| MisterE | logging in with superuser creds | Sep 12 11:20 |
| MisterE | memes are hardly convincing of anything | Sep 12 11:20 |
| MisterE | not even rational thinking | Sep 12 11:20 |
| MisterE | anyways, I won't bring it up again | Sep 12 11:21 |
| MinceR | crApple has greater privileges on hypeOS than the customers who paid for and supposedly own the device | Sep 12 11:21 |
| MisterE | but will say that if you want to be a credible journalist maybe don't wear your bias on your sleeve | Sep 12 11:21 |
| MinceR | speaking of rational thinking, you sound like you're affected by cognitive dissonance | Sep 12 11:21 |
| MisterE | why aren't you crapping on Android or Google or anyone else? | Sep 12 11:21 |
| MinceR | i'm not crapping on anyone | Sep 12 11:21 |
| MisterE | now you're an internet psychologist :eyeroll: | Sep 12 11:22 |
| MinceR | and i've made it clear that i don't agree with the design of android either | Sep 12 11:22 |
| MisterE | @MinceR: crApple | Sep 12 11:22 |
| MisterE | you happy with MS? | Sep 12 11:22 |
| MinceR | at least it's easy for the owner to really own their android device | Sep 12 11:22 |
| MinceR | no, i'm not happy with m$ | Sep 12 11:22 |
| MisterE | you know as asson as they acquired Skype NSA bragged about tripling their skype intercepts | Sep 12 11:22 |
| MisterE | there are bigger villans than apple | Sep 12 11:22 |
| MinceR | are you trying to sell crApple as the only alternative than m$? | Sep 12 11:23 |
| MisterE | is mainly what I am saying | Sep 12 11:23 |
| MinceR | s/than/to/ | Sep 12 11:23 |
| MisterE | nope | Sep 12 11:23 |
| MisterE | I own none of that shit | Sep 12 11:23 |
| MisterE | I have an old candybar phone | Sep 12 11:23 |
| MinceR | why shill for them, then? | Sep 12 11:23 |
| MisterE | because I only need a phone not a retarded pocket computer | Sep 12 11:23 |
| MisterE | oh so anyone who thinks your opinions are too extreme is a schill... | Sep 12 11:23 |
| MisterE | I see what you did there | Sep 12 11:24 |
| MinceR | wrong | Sep 12 11:24 |
| MisterE | MinceR: have you stopped beating your wife yet? | Sep 12 11:24 |
| MinceR | mu. | Sep 12 11:24 |
| oiaohm | There is no way to confirm a system is clean unless you can replace all the hidden secrets. | Sep 12 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Threat does not have to be in the OS it can in fact be hidden in firmware to drive the hardware. | Sep 12 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Classic example fireware exploit to read all memory in particular laptops and desktops. | Sep 12 11:27 |
| oiaohm | In fact its read and write. | Sep 12 11:28 |
| MisterE | the only clean system is the one you build from the ground up | Sep 12 11:31 |
| MisterE | including the OS | Sep 12 11:32 |
| MinceR | that doesn't make all other systems equally untrustworthy | Sep 12 11:32 |
| MisterE | in the netsec world it does | Sep 12 11:32 |
| MisterE | guilty until proven innocent | Sep 12 11:32 |
| MinceR | and that justifies promoting crApple how? | Sep 12 11:33 |
| MisterE | nobody is promoting apple | Sep 12 11:33 |
| MinceR | except you | Sep 12 11:33 |
| MisterE | just refuting your rubbish memes | Sep 12 11:33 |
| MinceR | you haven't refuted them | Sep 12 11:33 |
| MinceR | to refute them, you need to prove that they don't and won't transmit the fingerprint data over the network | Sep 12 11:33 |
| MisterE | would you like to drop it, be put on ignore or me leave? | Sep 12 11:34 |
| MisterE | take your pick | Sep 12 11:34 |
| MisterE | no you need to prove they do | Sep 12 11:34 |
| MinceR | you'd also need to prove that they can't change the code to do so in the future | Sep 12 11:34 |
| MisterE | bye | Sep 12 11:34 |
| MinceR | (protip: you can't) | Sep 12 11:34 |
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| amarsh04 | just a postscript for oiaohm - I have received a patch that fixed my kernel building issue - apparently a newer module-init-tools is needed, but not all distributions have it | Sep 12 11:58 |
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| oiaohm | amarsh04: I had that init tools one about 7 years ago. | Sep 12 12:13 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: I stopped being blending edge kernels 7 year ago | Sep 12 12:14 |
| amarsh04 | after discovering many revisions later that my SCSI adapter was no longer working with current kernels, I kept closer track of latest kernels | Sep 12 12:15 |
| amarsh04 | doing a git-bisect on a PII-266 with 384 MiB of RAM was an exercise in patience | Sep 12 12:15 |
| amarsh04 | plus at least my DVB-T usb stick works with the current kernels | Sep 12 12:16 |
| amarsh04 | I keep stock Debian kernels installed in case the new ones fail | Sep 12 12:16 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: https://backports.wiki.kernel.org/ this is 2007. | Sep 12 12:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ https://backports.wiki.kernel.org/ ) | Sep 12 12:23 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: yes I had a reason for not going after the tip any more. | Sep 12 12:24 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: backports removes the need to move major version forwards to the point of busting the init tools. | Sep 12 12:32 |
| amarsh04 | some parts of the kernel building infrastructure must be a bit stressful to maintain (complex dependencies, backward and forward compatibililty issues) | Sep 12 12:37 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: newer version of tools around kernel supporting older kernels is simple due to how stable the kernel interfaces are. | Sep 12 12:38 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: is older tools supporting newer kernels where the hell its the fan. | Sep 12 12:39 |
| oiaohm | The odd item removed for secuirty reasons and so on ruin the older tools working with newer kenrels. | Sep 12 12:39 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: for the number of alterations Linux kernel need very few tool changes over all. | Sep 12 12:40 |
| amarsh04 | yes, it is pretty good overall | Sep 12 12:41 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: Using backports also can bring sanity since you can change 1 driver at a time and don't end up having the case that the new kernel breaks something else. | Sep 12 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Basically I changed for sanity reasons. | Sep 12 12:42 |
| oiaohm | I had a horible motherboard in 2008 | Sep 12 12:42 |
| oiaohm | 6 different drivers with issues. | Sep 12 12:42 |
| amarsh04 | I still wouldn't mind a version of Debian's popularity-contest that logged which kernel modules people actually used | Sep 12 12:42 |
| oiaohm | required 3 different kernel versions to work fully. | Sep 12 12:42 |
| amarsh04 | ouch, I stopped using the built-in ethernet in a replacement old motherboard (SIS chipset)... simpler just to add an ethernet card | Sep 12 12:43 |
| oiaohm | really I wish debian and other distrobutions would support the backports project for hardware hell. | Sep 12 12:43 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: backports I got all my hardware working. | Sep 12 12:44 |
| amarsh04 | good | Sep 12 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Just there is no simple interface for non techical users. | Sep 12 12:44 |
| amarsh04 | the old motherboard is an ASUS P4S800 | Sep 12 12:44 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: your case with your recent breakages you might have been better going the backports path. | Sep 12 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Ie you can also choose with backports to be building a limited number of drivers. | Sep 12 12:45 |
| amarsh04 | new one is an ASUS M3A78 PRO | Sep 12 12:45 |
| oiaohm | As they say there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. | Sep 12 12:45 |
| oiaohm | I find backports the safer way. | Sep 12 12:45 |
| amarsh04 | true, it needs some kind of interface where you can easily select what you need | Sep 12 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Of course it does not help that backports download page is still formually temporary. | Sep 12 12:48 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: dkms + backports would be a very good solution. | Sep 12 12:49 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: as long as a gui was added. | Sep 12 12:49 |
| amarsh04 | reliving one's childhood - http://www.madman.com.au/fanzone/display/79591.img | Sep 12 12:51 |
| iophk | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324094704579068831835708324.html | Sep 12 12:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | online.wsj.com | Nokia's Fall Could Help Finland - WSJ.com [ http://ur1.ca/fhylv ] | Sep 12 12:59 |
| iophk | "By 2012 Nokia's share of Finnish GDP was actually negative" | Sep 12 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes a lot of things about Nokia is a high do not buy company to anyone with sense. | Sep 12 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | A fall helps? | Sep 12 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Is this Murdoch logic? | Sep 12 13:41 |
| iophk | Yeah | Sep 12 13:41 |
| iophk | something like that | Sep 12 13:42 |
| iophk | Newkia and Jolla might be able to grow into good things but it would have been better for Nokia not to have been destroyed by the mole in the first place. | Sep 12 13:42 |
| iophk | They could have had significant market share with Meego | Sep 12 13:42 |
| iophk | The WSJ articles are probably not the best to cite. They sometimes link ok but other times seem to go to a pay wall. | Sep 12 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Double side sword here. MS becomes a hardware maker no other hardware maker will want to compette gainst them. | Sep 12 13:48 |
| iophk | Or be foolish enough to partner with them. | Sep 12 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Result is Microsoft product has less diversity so gets less shelf space. | Sep 12 13:48 |
| iophk | That could be the good side. | Sep 12 13:48 |
| oiaohm | so get less customers. | Sep 12 13:49 |
| oiaohm | No matter how you do the maths the Nokia MS deal was a kiss of death. | Sep 12 13:49 |
| oiaohm | To both parties. | Sep 12 13:49 |
| iophk | Nokia was already gutted by Elop. There was nothing left to continue forward. | Sep 12 13:49 |
| iophk | Lots of news like this : | Sep 12 13:50 |
| iophk | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-08/nokia-plans-to-eliminate-4-000-jobs-as-it-shifts-device-assembly-to-asia.html | Sep 12 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bloomberg.com | Nokia Plans 4,000 Job Cuts to Shift Phone Assembly to Asia - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/fhze2 ] | Sep 12 13:50 |
| oiaohm | iophk: who in asia is the question. | Sep 12 13:58 |
| oiaohm | foxcomm?? | Sep 12 13:58 |
| oiaohm | iophk: yes it gets stupid. PS4 and Xbox One are both foxcomm assembled. | Sep 12 13:59 |
| iophk | oiaohm: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9232826/Foxconn_builds_products_for_many_vendors_but_its_mud_sticks_to_Apple | Sep 12 14:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com | Foxconn builds products for many vendors, but its mud sticks to Apple - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fhzle ] | Sep 12 14:01 |
| iophk | The comuterworld article claims some 'in-house' work but the other articles suggest otherwise | Sep 12 14:03 |
| iophk | http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0208/Nokia-will-end-cellphone-assembly-in-Europe | Sep 12 14:04 |
| iophk | "There will be no assembling of mobile phones at our plants in Europe after this," | Sep 12 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.csmonitor.com | Nokia will end cellphone assembly in Europe - CSMonitor.com [ http://ur1.ca/fhzmy ] | Sep 12 14:04 |
| oiaohm | iophk: there is also some mud sticking to xbox production. | Sep 12 14:27 |
| oiaohm | iophk: contracts between foxcomm and the end buyer set the workers pay rates. | Sep 12 14:27 |
| iophk | Do the power supplies still start apartment fires? | Sep 12 14:27 |
| oiaohm | iophk: xbox fixed that. | Sep 12 14:27 |
| oiaohm | iophk: http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/12/dozens-of-foxconns-xbox-360-production-line-workers-threaten-suicide/ | Sep 12 14:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | venturebeat.com | Dozens of Foxconn’s Xbox 360 production line workers threaten suicide | GamesBeat [ http://ur1.ca/fi02y ] | Sep 12 14:28 |
| oiaohm | iophk: foxcomm is a very rocky company to deal with. | Sep 12 14:29 |
| iophk | Yes, apparently | Sep 12 14:29 |
| iophk | There were other problems with the xbox besides the apartment fires. | Sep 12 14:29 |
| iophk | Red Ring of Death got a lot of attention. Used to see that in the in-store displays. | Sep 12 14:29 |
| iophk | Then the xboxes were scratching a lot of discs. | Sep 12 14:30 |
| iophk | I'm not a fan of Sony either after the stuff they have pulled. But it is interesting to hear that PS4 is based on FreeBSD.sd | Sep 12 14:31 |
| iophk | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/FreeBSD-Linus-Orbis-OS-PlayStation-OtherOS,23254.html | Sep 12 14:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tomshardware.com | PS4's Orbis OS Heavily Based on FreeBSD [ http://ur1.ca/fi04q ] | Sep 12 14:31 |
| oiaohm | reality it too exensive to make own OS any more. | Sep 12 14:47 |
| iophk | Yes. And even maintaining a separate fork might be too costly. | Sep 12 14:47 |
| oiaohm | iophk: Orbis is basially work around to the solid wall of costs. | Sep 12 14:47 |
| iophk | It is more cost effective to include as much upstream as possible. | Sep 12 14:48 |
| iophk | It took Google a while to come around to that, too. | Sep 12 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Apple has kinda pulled off forks of BSD. | Sep 12 14:48 |
| iophk | Their latest OS includes even PF. | Sep 12 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Even so with dropping phone sales its a question how long can Apple support the forks. | Sep 12 14:48 |
| iophk | Apple may or may not been special under Steve Jobs but right now no one can deny that it is just another big company run by regular business people. | Sep 12 14:49 |
| iophk | No special technical flare exists there | Sep 12 14:49 |
| oiaohm | iophk: apple is still attempting to have flare. | Sep 12 14:51 |
| oiaohm | But without jobs its going to be hard. | Sep 12 14:51 |
| iophk | with plastic iPhones? | Sep 12 14:51 |
| iophk | Jobs was a tough negotiator. | Sep 12 14:52 |
| iophk | He broke the recording industry and got both individual tracks and a 99¢ cap on those tracks. | Sep 12 14:52 |
| iophk | I was expecting him to pull the same with TVprograms. | Sep 12 14:53 |
| iophk | The recording industry fought him and tried to bundle tracks. | Sep 12 14:53 |
| iophk | Bundling was just and artifact of the storage medium though. First LP and then CD. | Sep 12 14:53 |
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| iophk | http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/11/a-strong-microsoft-is-good-for-the-industry-overall-says-marissa-mayer/ | Sep 12 16:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | A Strong Microsoft Is Good For The Industry Overall, Says Marissa Mayer | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/fi2h3 ] | Sep 12 16:15 |
| iophk | It certainly hasn't been good for Yahoo | Sep 12 16:15 |
| iophk | Then again without the damage it may never have been weaked to the point where her job came available. | Sep 12 16:16 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/cEPuE | Sep 12 16:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | imgur.com | 'Murica - Never forget the terror we unleashed, in fear, upon ourselves. - Imgur | Sep 12 16:21 |
| MinceR | a strong microsoft is fatal to IT, which is fatal to technology, which is fatal to civilization | Sep 12 16:22 |
| iophk | Someone could add up the lost productivity, too. | Sep 12 16:25 |
| MinceR | and the damage due to extra stress | Sep 12 16:27 |
| iophk | I suspect that the extra stress is an intentional result by design. | Sep 12 16:33 |
| iophk | It's designed to avoid efficiency, ease and simplicity | Sep 12 16:40 |
| iophk | Lots of click-pause, click-pause, click-pause, and so on all rather hypnotic | Sep 12 16:40 |
| MinceR | also plenty of type-get interrupted by focus stealing crap-click-retype | Sep 12 16:41 |
| iophk | focus stealing leaves old tasks incomplete and forces new ones in, eventually a mental stack overflow occurs | Sep 12 16:44 |
| iophk | people tell me that they get used to not getting work done and the interaction with the UI itself becomes comforting instead | Sep 12 16:45 |
| iophk | for others it is just stressful | Sep 12 16:45 |
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| iophk | http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/12/us-dell-buyout-idUSBRE98B0FC20130912 | Sep 12 17:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.reuters.com | Michael Dell, Silver Lake win shareholder OK for $25 billion buyout | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/fi440 ] | Sep 12 17:27 |
| iophk | Sock puppetry: M$ Silver Lake onthe one side and M$ Icahn on the other. | Sep 12 17:27 |
| iophk | "If Michael Dell can turn it around as a private company, why can't he do it as a public company?," | Sep 12 17:30 |
| iophk | "Voting on the buyout had been postponed three times as Michael Dell and | Sep 12 17:33 |
| iophk | the company's board scrambled to garner enough votes... and got the | Sep 12 17:33 |
| iophk | board to change voting rules so that abstentions no longer count against him, | Sep 12 17:33 |
| iophk | turning the tide in the CEO's favor." | Sep 12 17:33 |
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| *DaemonFC doesn't get instant coffee..... | Sep 12 19:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Seems that every old person has some. | Sep 12 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how people drink it. | Sep 12 19:40 |
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| DaemonFC | I had a survey ask me what my favorite instant coffee was. I checked "other" and said "It's all disgusting.". | Sep 12 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 12 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | Those individually wrapped coffee bags (they work like tea bags) are pretty good, but it's expensive. | Sep 12 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | I just brew a full pot and drink off of that all day. I have one of those insulated carafes, so it doesn't get scorched. | Sep 12 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | One thing I've noticed is that ground coffee is pretty much all the same. I can't tell you which one is the Nantucket Blend and which one is the Kroger Value. Maybe I'm just missing something. There's only been two brands that I've tried that are completely disgusting. One is "Master Chef" and the other is Maxwell House Daily Brew (Dollar General has it on sale all the time). If you're going to go below $6 (every day price) for a can, ALDI's | Sep 12 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | is the only one that's drinkable. Other than that, just take your pick. get the one that | Sep 12 19:47 |
| *DaemonFC wonders how there ever got to be so many pretentious coffee snobs. | Sep 12 19:47 | |
| DaemonFC | My former landlord seems to have noticed how difficult it is to sell to people in this town. Almost nobody can get credit, so he's selling most of the sub-$100K homes on contract. | Sep 12 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | Seems to me that banks are becoming less relevant. They won't give loans to anyone, so non-traditional financing is becoming the norm. | Sep 12 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | I actually had my own credit union turn me down. | Sep 12 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | My FICO score is 745! | Sep 12 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | I had a bunch of accounts that are "Paid as agreed", 100% on-time payments, etc. | Sep 12 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | In 7 years, I had one negative mark on my entire report, and that was an emergency room bill from 2009 that went to a collection agency. | Sep 12 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | So they used that to deny me the loan. | Sep 12 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | In 2004, my FICO score was only 680, and I had the Chevrolet dealership offering me 0% APR for the life of the loan on any car I wanted from their entire lot. | Sep 12 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | They're really clamping down. Used to be that 700 or higher meant you got pretty much any loan you asked for, with low interest. | Sep 12 19:54 |
| iophk | instand coffee just a pinch between your cheek and gums | Sep 12 20:23 |
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| MinceR | http://rt.com/files/news/20/6a/c0/00/majority.si.jpg | Sep 12 20:45 |
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| *DaemonFC changed over to HexChat... | Sep 12 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC | We'll see how this goes. Development on XChat seems to have stopped for some time now. | Sep 12 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora has been maintaining it enough to fix security problems and make sure it still builds, but that's about it. | Sep 12 21:18 |
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| Sosumi | xchat is dead | Sep 12 22:19 |
| Sosumi | that's all there is to say about it | Sep 12 22:19 |
| MinceR | also that it's shareware | Sep 12 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Only the Windows version. | Sep 12 22:54 |
| MinceR | of its newest version, there is only a windows shareware release | Sep 12 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Still, it's alarming that the guy claimed that he had the right to relicense code contributed by others. | Sep 12 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe the only changes were Windows-specific? | Sep 12 22:55 |
| MinceR | i don't see why i would pay for a gui irc client that isn't nearly as good as kvirc | Sep 12 22:55 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: every time i checked the newest version was windows only | Sep 12 22:55 |
| MinceR | i suppose it would be better to check if once a newer shareware version is out, is the previous shareware/windows only version released as free | Sep 12 22:56 |
| MinceR | i've never bothered to do that, but it would be a more complete check | Sep 12 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | I've done business with this dealership I'm looking at before. | Sep 12 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | Their prices have gotten crazy. | Sep 12 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | They want $4,000 for a 2003 Ford Taurus SE with 116,000 miles. | Sep 12 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | In "Good" condition, that is a $2,500 car. | Sep 12 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | If that wasn't bad enough, they have a 2003 Ford Contour with a dinky little four cylinder engine and 227,000 miles for $2,000. | Sep 12 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's a $500 car on a good day, if it runs. | Sep 12 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 12 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know. I kind of like the Taurus, but if I couldn't talk them down to at least $2,600, I'd walk. :) | Sep 12 23:35 |
| MinceR | four cylinder engines are "dinky little" now? :> | Sep 12 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, they're crap. | Sep 12 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | Most of them don't even get close to 200,000 miles. | Sep 12 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | That thing "should" have failed a long time ago. They just don't last. | Sep 12 23:36 |
| MinceR | well, maybe fords don't last that long | Sep 12 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | There's 6 cylinder Ford Tauruses and Chevy Impalas that have almost 300,000 miles on them, and are still going. | Sep 12 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | You never see that out of a 4 cylinder, unless it's a Honda or you'd rebuilt the engine at some point. | Sep 12 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | *you've | Sep 12 23:37 |
| MinceR | well, i'll take a honda over a ford any day | Sep 12 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | 4 cylinder engines just don't last very long. | Sep 12 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | You'd be lucky to get 10 years off of one under normal use and regular maintenance. Probably less than 25% of them are still on the road after 15 years. | Sep 12 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | There's no reason at all why a well-built car shouldn't still be running after 20 years. | Sep 12 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | GM has gotten much worse lately, though. | Sep 12 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much any Impala newer than 2003 is crap. | Sep 12 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Sensor problems, transmission issues, etc. | Sep 12 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | I saw a recall for an engine compartment fire hazard on my mom's car, which she never took it in for. | Sep 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | "I just don't have time!" | Sep 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | They were even going to pay to fix it! | Sep 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | Do you have time to be on the side of the road with an engine that's on fire? | Sep 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 12 23:40 |
| MinceR | apparently. | Sep 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I've never driven anything newer than a 1995 model. Probably the newest car I'll be looking for over the next 6 months will be a 2004. | Sep 12 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | If I can get in the area of $2,500-$3,000 2002-2004 Ford Taurus with 100,000-120,000 miles on it, I'd be happy. | Sep 12 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | Anything newer just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. | Sep 12 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Cars are an investment that loses you money rapidly. | Sep 12 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | If you can get one for $3,000 that gets you around for 10 years, why not just do that? | Sep 12 23:43 |
| MinceR | computers seem to lose faster, though :> | Sep 12 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Lots of people spend more than that and only keep the car for its first 5 years or so. | Sep 12 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Leases are a really shitty deal. | Sep 12 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | You pay like $3,000 up front, plus a $200 payment every month for 24 months. | Sep 12 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | So you're about $7,800 in on the car and then you turn it in and start all over. | Sep 12 23:44 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, The worst deal of all is saved for people who are really really poor. | Sep 12 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | They double the FMV of an old car with lots of miles, then finance it at 25%. | Sep 12 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | If you can't cough up three grand, what makes you think you'll ever pay off eight or nine? | Sep 12 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | Stopping along the way for all of the mechanical problems you'd expect out of an old car with lots of miles. :) | Sep 12 23:47 |
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| DaemonFC | Poor people do some dumb things out of desperation. | Sep 12 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | Not really sure if I should feel bad for them or not. | Sep 12 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | I guess it really depends. | Sep 12 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | With me, I just save up for several months and buy a $3,000 car in cash. | Sep 12 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | This one I have has turned out to be an extremely good deal. | Sep 12 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | Paid $2,000 for it in 2005, and probably put about $1,200 into repairs since then. | Sep 12 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | It would have been worth more at the time, except I pointed out some stuff that I was going to have to fix, and managed to get the guy down by about $800. | Sep 12 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | Pointed out a leaking radiator and the bald tires. | Sep 12 23:51 |
| MinceR | those tires baldly go where no man has gone before | Sep 12 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it's pretty bad when someone has driven them to the point where they have no tread left at all. | Sep 12 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | The fronts had cords showing. | Sep 12 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | The rear tires had less than 20% tread left. | Sep 12 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | So the first thing I had to do was put new tires on it. | Sep 12 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'm lucky that I did that when I did. | Sep 12 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | They were only like $55 per tire with free install at the time. | Sep 12 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | Then a year later, the US government put some kind of anti-dumping tax on Chinese tires. | Sep 12 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't bring production back to the US or protect jobs or anything. | Sep 12 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | It just made the same tire $80 with the difference going to the federal government... :P | Sep 12 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | Speaking of which.... The last time I was at Walmart for an oil change, I saw "Fuel System Treatment" listed as a $20 service. | Sep 12 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | So I asked the guy "What do you do, exactly, for that $20?" | Sep 12 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | He said they pour a bottle of gumout into the gas tank. | Sep 12 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | I said "The same bottle of gumout that's $3 over there?" | Sep 12 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | "Yeah, pretty much." | Sep 12 23:56 |
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