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| AdmFubar | hi all | Sep 13 01:45 |
| AdmFubar | anyone here know wayne borean? | Sep 13 01:45 |
| AdmFubar | http://therealmadhatter.wordpress.com/ | Sep 13 01:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | therealmadhatter.wordpress.com | Through the Looking Glass – link | Just another WordPress.com site | Sep 13 01:47 |
| AdmFubar | I think his gmail account may have compromised | Sep 13 01:47 |
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| AdmFubar | http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/verizons-diabolical-plan-turn-the-web-pay-view-226662 | Sep 13 02:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Verizon's diabolical plan to turn the Web into pay-per-view | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fieiz ] | Sep 13 02:54 |
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| schestowitz | " | Sep 13 08:00 |
| schestowitz | figure the odds that the Washington Post will cover this or any other inequity matters | Sep 13 08:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/aug/30/barack-obama-letter-amazon-visit | Sep 13 08:00 |
| schestowitz | http://gawker.com/true-stories-of-life-as-an-amazon-worker-1002568208 | Sep 13 08:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Barack Obama's letter explaining Amazon visit sparks criticism | Books | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fij4n ] | Sep 13 08:00 |
| schestowitz | old - | Sep 13 08:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gawker.com | True Stories of Life as an Amazon Worker [ http://ur1.ca/fij4o ] | Sep 13 08:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/mac-mcclelland-free-online-shipping-warehouses-labor | Sep 13 08:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.motherjones.com | I Was a Warehouse Wage Slave | Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/9afq1 ] | Sep 13 08:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 13 08:00 |
| schestowitz | WashPo is not the exception, the corporate press is full of conflicts | Sep 13 08:00 |
| iophk | The Amazon stories are probably true for other warehousing mail order companies. | Sep 13 08:01 |
| iophk | It makes me really hesitant to send money to Amazon. | Sep 13 08:01 |
| iophk | But that is getting harder and harder. | Sep 13 08:01 |
| iophk | There are fewer local shops each year and what they carry diminishes in breadth every quarter. | Sep 13 08:02 |
| iophk | There's also less competition from the big companies. | Sep 13 08:02 |
| iophk | Borders Inc got taken over by MBAs and went the way most MBA activity goes within months. | Sep 13 08:02 |
| iophk | So that's gone from the world, too. | Sep 13 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Amazon had other such scandals | Sep 13 08:03 |
| schestowitz | In Germany, Aamzon hired Neo-Nazi connected groups for security | Sep 13 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I never bought anything on Amazon | Sep 13 08:04 |
| iophk | Me neither, but it is getting harder to avoid. | Sep 13 08:04 |
| iophk | for much longer. | Sep 13 08:04 |
| iophk | http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/blog/amazon-com-warehouse-worker-complaints-get-outed-08752.html | Sep 13 08:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.lawyersandsettlements.com | Amazon.com Warehouse Worker Complaints get Outed [ http://ur1.ca/fij6w ] | Sep 13 08:06 |
| iophk | OSHA seems to have little to no influence there. | Sep 13 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://tvquotes.net/show.php?cn=1/character/Al-Bundy | Sep 13 08:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tvquotes.net | TVQuotes.net - Quotes - Al Bundy | Sep 13 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Bundy FTW | Sep 13 08:09 |
| iophk | http://www.mhpbooks.com/amazon-warehouses-working-condition-complaints-are-nothing-new/ | Sep 13 08:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mhpbooks.com | Amazon warehouses working-condition complaints are nothing new | MobyLives [ http://ur1.ca/fijas ] | Sep 13 08:13 |
| iophk | http://gawker.com/5842203/amazons-best-excuses-for-abusing-sick-and-pregnant-workers | Sep 13 08:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gawker.com | Amazon's Best Excuses for Abusing Sick and Pregnant Workers [ http://ur1.ca/fijci ] | Sep 13 08:17 |
| iophk | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/cisco-can%E2%80%99t-shield-customers-patent-suits-court-affirms | Sep 13 08:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.networkworld.com | Cisco can’t shield customers from patent suits, court affirms [ http://ur1.ca/fijec ] | Sep 13 08:20 |
| iophk | "the http://www.bradreese.com/blog/9-11-2013.pdf with a http://www.bradreese.com/blog/7-10-2012.pdf of TR Labs' contention that its patent infringement claims are rightfully against the users of telecommunications equipment" | Sep 13 08:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/378421123991363584 | Sep 13 08:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: @schestowitz sharing is a human right & basic human dignity, regardless of the domain it occurs in; social, cultural, technological. | Sep 13 08:52 |
| MinceR | geekings | Sep 13 09:09 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/uk-prime-minister-appoints-new-anti-piracy-enforcement-advisor-130913/ | Sep 13 09:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | UK Prime Minister Appoints New Anti-Piracy Enforcement Advisor | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fikxg ] | Sep 13 09:48 |
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| iophk | One point missing from a lot of news about Dell, especially the headlines, is that it is not Michael Dell alone buying the company back. | Sep 13 09:57 |
| iophk | It 's M$ Silver Lake there too. | Sep 13 09:57 |
| iophk | That kind of money can't come without strings. | Sep 13 09:58 |
| iophk | Kantar ? | Sep 13 10:00 |
| iophk | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10304714/Majority-of-British-women-want-new-laws-to-tackle-web-trolls.html | Sep 13 10:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.telegraph.co.uk | 'Majority of British women want new laws to tackle web trolls' - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/fil59 ] | Sep 13 10:00 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/browser-plugin-reports-torrent-links-to-anti-piracy-company-130912/ | Sep 13 10:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Browser Plugin Reports Torrent Links to Anti-Piracy Company | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/filjp ] | Sep 13 10:25 |
| MinceR | http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo-gallery-spying-on-smartphones-fotostrecke-101201.html | Sep 13 10:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.spiegel.de | Photo Gallery: Spying on Smartphones - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International [ http://ur1.ca/fhaok ] | Sep 13 10:25 |
| MinceR | http://uncrunched.com/2013/09/09/trying-to-face-down-the-evil-at-techcrunch-disrupt/ | Sep 13 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | uncrunched.com | (Trying To) Face Down The Evil At TechCrunch Disrupt | Uncrunched [ http://ur1.ca/filne ] | Sep 13 10:30 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/cisco-can%E2%80%99t-shield-customers-patent-suits-court-affirms | Sep 13 11:19 |
| oiaohm | This is a big one. All those promises that upstream may protect you from patents may be worthless. | Sep 13 11:19 |
| iophk | oiaohm: yes, it is always the end-user who is on the hook for patent infringment | Sep 13 11:20 |
| iophk | distribution is covered by copyright, usage is covered by patents | Sep 13 11:20 |
| iophk | "IP" noisemakers try to confuse the issue, but that's how it is | Sep 13 11:20 |
| iophk | so far users have been mostly small fish, but the tide is turning | Sep 13 11:21 |
| iophk | http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2013/08/05/did-you-scan-and-email-that-document-you-might-owe-1000-to-a-patent-troll/ | Sep 13 11:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Did You Scan And Email That Document? You Might Owe $1000 To A Patent Troll - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/fimiu ] | Sep 13 11:21 |
| oiaohm | iophk: Microsoft and others try to sell there product with so call patent protection. | Sep 13 11:21 |
| iophk | yes extortion | Sep 13 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Really MS idea is that patents would stop Open source from developing and there end users would be protected. | Sep 13 11:22 |
| oiaohm | If that has failed. | Sep 13 11:23 |
| iophk | "indemnification" was all the rage a few years ago, but I have the suspicion that it is not worth much | Sep 13 11:23 |
| iophk | M$ is still spreading patents via Suse | Sep 13 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Choosing FOSS or Microsoft products or any other closed source are on equal footing. | Sep 13 11:23 |
| oiaohm | If the indemnification thing does not exist. | Sep 13 11:23 |
| iophk | I have the feeling it doesnt but then I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV | Sep 13 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Cisco case also suggest Distrobutions don't have to pay because they don't know how the end user is using it iophk | Sep 13 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Welcome to a new pandora box. | Sep 13 11:24 |
| oiaohm | How this pandora plays out could see MS really up the stuffed. | Sep 13 11:25 |
| iophk | What I'd like to see is one side play up the fact that software is not patentable in the EU nor in NZ | Sep 13 11:25 |
| iophk | People there are safe. | Sep 13 11:26 |
| iophk | That gives business a big leg up. | Sep 13 11:26 |
| iophk | There are so many sw patents threatening any business, even small ones, that if even a fraction of them each take a bite, there is no pie left. | Sep 13 11:26 |
| oiaohm | iophk: if every software patent has to be applied against each business forget end users individual there is not enough court to process the cases before patent expiry. | Sep 13 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Basically what just happened could be bad enough to cause the complete patent system to colapse in a failed heap. | Sep 13 11:30 |
| iophk | It could be prevented by just banning sw patents in the US | Sep 13 11:31 |
| iophk | By going after end users, it may be more work but there is also a more steady stream of money. | Sep 13 11:31 |
| iophk | The big companies have money and lawyers to fight back with. | Sep 13 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Going after end users has not been that effective for copy write protection. | Sep 13 11:32 |
| oiaohm | going after end users does not give any ensurance of a steady stream of moeny. | Sep 13 11:33 |
| iophk | That seems to be a different model. | Sep 13 11:33 |
| iophk | The more that pay up, the more likely new targets will acquiesce to demands to pay up. | Sep 13 11:34 |
| oiaohm | iophk: theory has not been backed by copyright enforcement. | Sep 13 11:34 |
| iophk | copyright is different | Sep 13 11:34 |
| oiaohm | The number that pay up to threat is quite low. | Sep 13 11:34 |
| oiaohm | iophk: copyright has tested the sending out letter threat and see if person pays up. | Sep 13 11:35 |
| iophk | copyright is also about smaller sums AFAIK | Sep 13 11:35 |
| oiaohm | iophk: Basically method of getting end users to pay has been tested by copyright enforcement. | Sep 13 11:35 |
| iophk | The scanner patent above was for about $1000 per hit | Sep 13 11:35 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I would say not. | Sep 13 11:35 |
| oiaohm | iophk: highest here is 10 000 dollars a hit on copyright infrenment. | Sep 13 11:36 |
| iophk | but the number of copyright infringers for any given work is small compare to the number of customers infringing on a set of patents | Sep 13 11:37 |
| iophk | if a product infringes on a patent, then ALL its users are on the hook | Sep 13 11:37 |
| oiaohm | iophk: think of copyright infringers as a sample set of end users. | Sep 13 11:37 |
| iophk | yes but a relatively small sample | Sep 13 11:37 |
| oiaohm | iophk: but its the only sample set we have that can predict how end users are going to react. | Sep 13 11:38 |
| oiaohm | The sample set suggest its going to be a up hill battle. | Sep 13 11:38 |
| iophk | There is also probably more wiggle room with copyright. Fair use varies quite a bit from country to country. | Sep 13 11:39 |
| iophk | WIth patents there is no fair use | Sep 13 11:39 |
| iophk | Only use-and-pay-up or do-not-use | Sep 13 11:39 |
| oiaohm | iophk: only pay up if you use exactly the same method. | Sep 13 11:39 |
| oiaohm | iophk: yes patents do have wiggle room. | Sep 13 11:39 |
| iophk | The sw patents are generally very vague and hard to get around. | Sep 13 11:40 |
| oiaohm | In fact too vague is a valid reason for a patent not to apply. | Sep 13 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Because its not decribing the method used. | Sep 13 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is huge ways patents have wiggle room. | Sep 13 11:41 |
| oiaohm | The reality software should have always been sold with patent licenses. | Sep 13 11:43 |
| oiaohm | to use particular techs. | Sep 13 11:43 |
| oiaohm | and end users should be able to buy the licenses they need. | Sep 13 11:43 |
| oiaohm | if the system was working properly. | Sep 13 11:43 |
| iophk | Actually, if the system were working properly, there would be no sw patents. | Sep 13 11:45 |
| iophk | sw is an expression and thus under copyright | Sep 13 11:46 |
| iophk | but underneath it is just algorithms and math which are not patentable. | Sep 13 11:46 |
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| oiaohm | iophk: lot of patents should not have been granted. | Sep 13 12:08 |
| iophk | Yes, the issue of bad patents is an additional problem. | Sep 13 12:11 |
| iophk | But a larger mistake is the granting of any sw patents at all. | Sep 13 12:12 |
| oiaohm | iophk: good part is if the complete system colapses then it has to be fixed. | Sep 13 12:19 |
| iophk | the collapse may take a while yet | Sep 13 12:19 |
| iophk | and the US is still trying to drag down other countries with the sw patent mess | Sep 13 12:19 |
| oiaohm | iophk: of course USA is trying to draw everyone else in the patent mess. | Sep 13 12:33 |
| oiaohm | More and more production is not happening in the USA. | Sep 13 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Result is USA might end up not able to pay bills. | Sep 13 12:34 |
| iophk | They might have gone too far out on that limb. | Sep 13 12:35 |
| iophk | It's probably not too late though. | Sep 13 12:35 |
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| MinceR | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/it-security/update-google-knows-where-youve-been-and-they-might-be-holding-your-encryption-keys/ | Sep 13 18:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techrepublic.com | [Update] Google knows where you've been and they might be holding your encryption keys - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/fiumo ] | Sep 13 18:35 |
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| iophk | conflict of interest much ? | Sep 13 20:20 |
| iophk | http://www.f-secure.com/en/web/corporation_global/company/management/board-of-directors | Sep 13 20:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.f-secure.com | Company - Management - Board of Directors | F-Secure [ http://ur1.ca/fixa6 ] | Sep 13 20:20 |
| iophk | http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/11/nokia-chairman-risto-siilasmaa-outlines-its-next-reinvention/ | Sep 13 20:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | Nokia Chairman Risto Siilasmaa Outlines Its Next Reinvention | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/fixaw ] | Sep 13 20:21 |
| iophk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risto_Siilasmaa | Sep 13 20:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Risto Siilasmaa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fixe6 ] | Sep 13 20:26 |
| iophk | "founder and former CEO of F-Secure Corporation" | Sep 13 20:26 |
| iophk | His fortune has been built on keeping computers insecure by running Windows | Sep 13 20:27 |
| iophk | "He is also the biggest shareholder of F-Secure, owning around 40% of the company" | Sep 13 20:31 |
| iophk | So every Windows Phone is a potential F-secure sale. Going Meego or Android would not need it. | Sep 13 20:32 |
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| MinceR | he has nothing to gain from winblows phone sales, though | Sep 13 20:33 |
| iophk | Maybe, but going with Meego, Tizen or Android would prevent him from gaining. | Sep 13 20:34 |
| iophk | It could also be about ideology. | Sep 13 20:34 |
| iophk | He has built his previous company around M$ | Sep 13 20:35 |
| iophk | As an increasing number of people have pointed out and are continuing to point out, the board let Elop in and let him grind the company down. | Sep 13 20:35 |
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| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4043419312.html | Sep 13 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1991 oldsmobile cutlass ciera [ http://ur1.ca/fiyxw ] | Sep 13 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | This is the one I offered the guy $2,500 for. | Sep 13 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | I can see why he's having a hard time selling it. | Sep 13 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | He's demanding at least $1,000 over blue book value. | Sep 13 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | It's been sitting there since July. | Sep 13 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | If it's still there next month, I might go back and offer him $3,000, final offer. | Sep 13 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | He went into some story about how he paid to have new brakes on it and he was going to give it to his son, but he turned it down. | Sep 13 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | That's what I hate about dealing with people. They always act like their life story is going to make the merchandise more valuable. | Sep 13 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, BTW, yes, a 4 cylinder engine is something you get in a cheap little economy car. | Sep 13 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe they ever tried using them in a Ford Taurus. | Sep 13 22:15 |
| MinceR | yes, i know you have enormous gas guzzlers over there in the usa :> | Sep 13 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think they stopped doing that around the mid 1990s because people were complaining that the car was so underpowered in that configuration. | Sep 13 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'd just never buy anything smaller than a 3 liter V6 | Sep 13 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | A Ford Taurus is hardly a enormous gas guzzler. | Sep 13 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You want a gas guzzler? I was looking at a 1997 Ford Crown Victoria with the police package earlier. | Sep 13 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | 8 miles per gallon. | Sep 13 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | It's really fast, but it's a big heavy car. | Sep 13 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | Said that they got it from an Indiana State Police auction. | Sep 13 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | Just what I want. An 8 MPG car that they chased speeders with day in and day out. | Sep 13 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 13 22:18 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 13 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, the police aren't worried how much gas they burn or how much they beat the shit out of their cars. | Sep 13 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | They can always make us buy them more gas and new cars. | Sep 13 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | They sit there with the engine running pretty much 24 hours a day. | Sep 13 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The police have special state-issued credit cards that override the gas pumps. | Sep 13 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | The pump sees it's a state vehicle and waives the state and federal gas tax, and the sales tax. | Sep 13 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | It's well known that cops gas up their personal vehicles with those cards. | Sep 13 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | Or just use their cop car as their personal vehicle. | Sep 13 22:21 |
| MinceR | i'm guessing you have bigger parking slots over there :> | Sep 13 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart's parking lot is as big as the store. | Sep 13 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | The store is roughly 250,000 square feet. | Sep 13 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | They bulldozed the old Walmart to make more room for their parking lot. | Sep 13 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 13 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | You want to talk about an excess of excess.... | Sep 13 22:22 |
| MinceR | well, i think tescos and auchans have about as big parking lots as the stores themselves over here | Sep 13 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | From what I understand, the smallest cheapest cars you can possibly buy here are standard in most of Europe. | Sep 13 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | And when you buy it, you basically just hope you never get hit by an SUV or something. | Sep 13 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | Because there won't be anything left. | Sep 13 22:24 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 13 22:24 |
| MinceR | if i had a choice, i'd be driving at least a SUV here | Sep 13 22:24 |
| MinceR | the roads suck and the people don't know how to drive | Sep 13 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/03/30/00/14/1995_ford_taurus_4_dr_sho_sedan-pic-39423.jpeg | Sep 13 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | That's the same model, year, and color as my car | Sep 13 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taurus_SHO#Second_generation_.281992.E2.80.931995.29 | Sep 13 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Ford Taurus SHO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fizpp ] | Sep 13 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | 3 liter DOHC V6, with the four speed automatic transmission. | Sep 13 22:25 |
| MinceR | that's not a "full-size car", though :> | Sep 13 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | No, but it's fast. | Sep 13 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | Very very fast. | Sep 13 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 13 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | When Ford bought enough of the DOHC V6 to complete their agreement with Yamaha, they switched to a 4.3 liter V8. | Sep 13 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have the V6 though. | Sep 13 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | About the only difference is that the V8 burns more gas. | Sep 13 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Wait, no, it was a 3.4 V8. I was confused. A guy I used to work with had a 4.3 in his. | Sep 13 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | But he put it in. It wasn't standard. | Sep 13 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/2013_Ford_Taurus_SHO_--_2012_DC.JPG | Sep 13 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | There's what they look like now. | Sep 13 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | I want one, but I'm nowhere near being able to afford it. | Sep 13 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I've been looking through Pontiacs and Oldsmobiles too. | Sep 13 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Old people get those and barely put any miles on them. | Sep 13 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | They spend most of the time in their garage. | Sep 13 22:31 |
| MinceR | is that why they call them "Oldsmobile"? :> | Sep 13 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 13 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | But they have these gigantic engines in them. | Sep 13 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | About the smallest you usually see is a 3.8 liter V6 | Sep 13 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | They're practically unkillable. It's not unheard of for them to make it over 300,000 miles. | Sep 13 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | I was looking at one the other day, the guy included a picture of the odometer reading, and it was at 376,000 miles. | Sep 13 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=124635293&listingRecNum=1&criteria=prMx%3D3000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%26mkId%3D20015%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D22164%26rd%3D40%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoPrice%26zc%3D46750%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26rpp% | Sep 13 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | 3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national&listType=1 | Sep 13 22:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 500 @ http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=124635293&listingRecNum=1&criteria=prMx%3D3000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%26mkId%3D20015%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D22164%26rd%3D40%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoPrice%26zc%3D46750%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26rpp% ) | Sep 13 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | dammit | Sep 13 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 13 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | Well, that might be a good deal. | Sep 13 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | a 2002 Taurus SEL | Sep 13 22:34 |
| MinceR | Sorry, you got a lemon. | Sep 13 22:34 |
| MinceR | That page could not be found on our server | Sep 13 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Sep 13 22:34 |
| MinceR | oh, the link was broken | Sep 13 22:34 |
| MinceR | fixed it :) | Sep 13 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | They don't include a picture. | Sep 13 22:35 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 13 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | I'd have to call and ask some questions. | Sep 13 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | A big one is "Is there any rust on it." | Sep 13 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | I will not buy a car with rust. | Sep 13 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | One trick I've seen people do is painting over the rust. | Sep 13 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | It'll look great for a few months, and then the paint starts bubbling up and then the rust exposes itself again. | Sep 13 22:36 |
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| MinceR | how do you detect that when buying? | Sep 13 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | Take your finger and poke around the usual rust areas. | Sep 13 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | I did that and had my finger go clear through once. | Sep 13 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | The guy was pissed. | Sep 13 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes they do a really bad paint job. | Sep 13 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | Like they'll go to Walmart and buy some touch up paint. | Sep 13 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | So it won't match completely. | Sep 13 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | Or they'll accidentally get paint somewhere that's not supposed to be painted. | Sep 13 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | I had a 1995 Chevrolet Corsica that had engine problems. | Sep 13 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | It started making a chugging noise while it was running. | Sep 13 22:40 |
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| DaemonFC | So I poured Lucas "oil stabilizer" in it. | Sep 13 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | It quieted the engine long enough to sell it to someone I really didn't like. | Sep 13 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | Three weeks later, it threw a rod. | Sep 13 22:41 |
| MinceR | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/ | Sep 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fiz5d ] | Sep 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | When you're checking out a used car, check all the fluids. | Sep 13 22:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | Especially the oil! | Sep 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | If it's over or under full, or looks burned, don't buy the car. | Sep 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | Transmission fluid should be blood red. | Sep 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | If it's brown, it means that the transmission hasn't been serviced on schedule. | Sep 13 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Most car part stores also sell a coolant testing kit for about a dollar or two. | Sep 13 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | If the coolant tests bad, it means that they haven't flushed it on schedule. | Sep 13 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | That's not a deal breaker with GM Dexcool. (Orange) | Sep 13 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | Ford also has a blue coolant that they've been using that's similar. | Sep 13 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | You might still want to buy the car, and just get it flushed if either of those are the case. | Sep 13 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | But if it's the green stuff and hasn't been flushed, you don't want the car. | Sep 13 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | When the green stuff goes bad, it becomes corrosive and starts eating the hoses, the radiator, the heater core, the water pump, and might have already caused engine damage. | Sep 13 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of people don't maintain their car. | Sep 13 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | They just plan to get rid of them at the last minute, as soon as they start having problems caused by their lack of maintenance. | Sep 13 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | It's always best to ask up front if they have all the service records. | Sep 13 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Another big problem with used cars is that people will wreck them and have them repaired out of pocket so they don't have to report an at-fault accident to their insurance company. | Sep 13 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | So you have some cars out there that should really have Salvage titles, that don't. | Sep 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | I also take a look at the brakes and tires. | Sep 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Worn brakes and tires without a lot of tread on them bring the value of the car down. | Sep 13 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | Because a brake job is about $400-500, and four new tires will be anywhere from $300-$1,000 | Sep 13 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | Bad tires and worn out brakes are enough of a problem that they can bring the value of an otherwise excellent car down to Fair or Good. | Sep 13 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | So you should negotiate the price down to Fair or Good if the first thing you're going to have to do is get new tires. | Sep 13 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | That's what I did when I bought my 95 Taurus. | Sep 13 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | The tires were so far gone that there was no way I would get out of replacing them right away. | Sep 13 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | So I got the guy down about $500 for that. | Sep 13 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | I always get the tire warranty for $10 per tire. It gives you free lifetime tire rotations, and they'll prorate a replacement tire. | Sep 13 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | I always seem to run over a nail or something before the tire is worn out. | Sep 13 22:53 |
| MinceR | intentionally? :> | Sep 13 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Of course not. :) | Sep 13 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Gee, wouldn't you know it? 40% of the tread left and I ran over some nails... | Sep 13 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 13 22:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 13 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | They have to give you replacements for 40% off if that happens. | Sep 13 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Another thing to keep in mind is that if you're buying from a dealer, you can put the car on your credit card. | Sep 13 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | At least most of them let you do that. | Sep 13 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | $3,000 car = $45 in rewards points. :) | Sep 13 22:56 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 13 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | I also put the state sales tax, plate fees, registration, etc on my rewards card. | Sep 13 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | I sent the dealer an email. | Sep 13 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | I asked if they had pictures, and what the condition of the vehicle was, and if they take Visa. | Sep 13 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 13 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Might as well find out if it's an old rust bucket with bad everything before I drive all the way up to Fort Wayne. | Sep 13 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes they're reasonable about pricing because they got it as a trade and just want it off their lot. | Sep 13 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes, it's shot and they want way more than a fair price to saddle someone with a bad car. | Sep 13 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | The Taurus SEL is a fine vehicle. | Sep 13 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty much got every option and the 24 valve DOHC V6. | Sep 13 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | For $2,700 it could be a steal or something that looks like someone parked it in salt water. | Sep 13 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not necessarily worried about 140,000 miles on it. | Sep 13 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | Properly maintained, I've seen these things go past 250, still running fine. | Sep 13 23:05 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, http://assets.clickmotive.com/inventory/inventory/dealers/WebIOL2/2000026/2059740/640x480/32620/1FAHP56S42A106068/5d4b5d5e2e19423e8eb7e82d08b208e0!20120814073514000.jpg?w=590 | Sep 13 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | There's what it "should" look like. | Sep 13 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | That's a sharp little car. | Sep 13 23:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 13 23:11 |
| MinceR | fords don't have a good reputation here, afaict :) | Sep 13 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://assets.clickmotive.com/inventory/inventory/dealers/WebIOL2/2000026/2059740/640x480/32620/1FAHP56S42A106068/fef5a0b6acea49abbbd29071fa230e6c!20120814073514000.jpg?w=750 | Sep 13 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | They sell better cars here. | Sep 13 23:11 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 13 23:12 |
| MinceR | are they made in different places or something? | Sep 13 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. The ones they sell here are mostly assembled in Indiana and Michigan. | Sep 13 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | They like to assemble them close to where they sell them. | Sep 13 23:16 |
| MinceR | and the ones they sell in europe? | Sep 13 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | My grandfather (on my dad's side) got a Euro Ford back in the 60s. | Sep 13 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | I remember it was still in their back yard (didn't run) as late as the early 90s. | Sep 13 23:17 |
| MinceR | so it ran for about 30 years? | Sep 13 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | He stopped driving after he had a stroke in 1981. | Sep 13 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | It was still operational at that point. | Sep 13 23:19 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 13 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Europe | Sep 13 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Ford of Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fj0ry ] | Sep 13 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | Almost none of those models are available here. | Sep 13 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | We have the Focus. | Sep 13 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't seen any Fiesta's in a long time. | Sep 13 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | Think they stopped making them here in the 90s. | Sep 13 23:21 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 13 23:22 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: USA models Uk models and Asia/perfic models have different names for the same car. | Sep 13 23:22 |
| MinceR | the articles for the models tend to mention the various local names | Sep 13 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but I don't see anything with a V6 or a V8 in their European line up. | Sep 13 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | They're probably unaffordable because of gas prices over there. | Sep 13 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | I understand that most of Europe pays for a liter what we pay for a gallon. | Sep 13 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | Engine displacement in liters, fuel sold in gallons. | Sep 13 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | That's the United States for you. :) | Sep 13 23:24 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 13 23:24 |
| MinceR | now that you mention it, it is strange that US uses liters for displacement | Sep 13 23:25 |
| MinceR | it's an SI unit :> | Sep 13 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | It gets stranger. | Sep 13 23:25 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: no that is not it. Ford V8 lack the handling. | Sep 13 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | On my 1995 Taurus SHO, you need two different sets of wrenches to work on it. | Sep 13 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | Well, three if you count specialty nuts that only a dealer is supposed to have the tool for. | Sep 13 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | Then there's Torx "security" nuts with a blob of epoxy in them. | Sep 13 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | But I've only ran into one of those. | Sep 13 23:26 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 13 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | I stood there and chiseled the epoxy out of the head with a pick. | Sep 13 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | Took me a couple of hours. | Sep 13 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | Then I had to buy a Torx security bit set to get it loose. | Sep 13 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | They want to sell you a replacement air intake system if your MAF sensor goes bad. | Sep 13 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | But really, you usually don't even need a new MAF sensor. | Sep 13 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | They get dirty and most of the time you can fix them with a can of MAF sensor cleaner. | Sep 13 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | I know because that's what happened with mine. | Sep 13 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | If the sensor is bad, it should trigger the check engine light. | Sep 13 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | If it's dirty, it will just send incorrect readings and your fuel mix will be wrong. | Sep 13 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | IF your car starts running rough and guzzling gas, that's one of the suspects. | Sep 13 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | While I had the air intake hose disconnected, I took a can of air intake cleaner and cleaned out the throttle body and the throttle plate. | Sep 13 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | Some nasty stuff came out of there. :P | Sep 13 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | I actually went through two cans. | Sep 13 23:31 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: MAF in some cars clean off when you put injector clean in engine. | Sep 13 23:31 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Yes if yours is one of that is simple than disasmbling the prick. | Sep 13 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | By the time I was halfway through the second can, the black stuff (dirt and carbon) stopped coming out. | Sep 13 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | So then I started the engine (had to fight it). | Sep 13 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | I had someone else get in the car and press down on the accelerator a little while I sprayed the rest of the can in. | Sep 13 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 13 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | You're really not supposed to do that, but I didn't feel like disassembling anything else. | Sep 13 23:32 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Holden Monaro v8 gets sold in the EU. Yet the GM USA made car using the same engine does not. | Sep 13 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | So that got rid of my rough idle. | Sep 13 23:32 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: USA designed cars in the v8 line serousally lack the handling for a lot of EU tight roads. | Sep 13 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | Ford warns not to clean that, because they have a special coating that's supposed to stop the buildup from happening. | Sep 13 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously, it doesn't. :P | Sep 13 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | I've heard other Ford owners and mechanics say to ignore that because the coating doesn't work. | Sep 13 23:33 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: the coating does work kinda. | Sep 13 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | I've kept the car going. It runs fine. It probably runs as well now as it did when it came off the lot in 1995. | Sep 13 23:34 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: reason why it brushes off fairly simply is the coating. | Sep 13 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | Unfortunately, the body is really starting to rot. | Sep 13 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Sep 13 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | Nothing lasts forever. *sigh* | Sep 13 23:35 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: I know the sensor you are talking about. There is a funny way to clean the Ford MAF. ultrasound it fitted. | Sep 13 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | If it wasn't for the rot, I'll bet it would be a good car for another 10 years. | Sep 13 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | The rot is spreading so quickly that I think it will be fit for the junkyard in 2-3, tops. | Sep 13 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | That's really sad. Well, it's sad to me anyway. | Sep 13 23:36 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Yep when the car runs rough enough it cleans it self. | Sep 13 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | I really liked this car. | Sep 13 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, The 1996 and newer do the self-clean on the MAF sensor. | Sep 13 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | Mine is a 1995. | Sep 13 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 13 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | Ford issued a TSB recommending a $300 procedure. | Sep 13 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | And fuck them. | Sep 13 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 13 23:37 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: does the 1995 one have the coating. | Sep 13 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | Of course they won't say a $5 can of spray will do the job. | Sep 13 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 13 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | It says on the throttle body that it has the coating and not to clean it. | Sep 13 23:38 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Monaro holden had a strange strip of metal from the turbo charger to the back of the MAF in the 1994 range. | Sep 13 23:38 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: those early coatings are only self clean if they have virbration. | Sep 13 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | The last thing I did was take off the air intake hose and spray it out with the garden hose. | Sep 13 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Then I vacuumed out he box. | Sep 13 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | It had some debris and dead leaves in it. Ewww. :) | Sep 13 23:39 |
| oiaohm | The cheap model holdens same MAF in 1994 requered you to take it out and give it a ultrasonic bath. | Sep 13 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | If it wasn't for the body rot, I could probably list this sucker at $2,500-$3,000. | Sep 13 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | People would pay it. The SHO is still in demand, even the old ones with lots of miles. | Sep 13 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | As-is, I'll be lucky to get close to $1,000. | Sep 13 23:40 |
| oiaohm | Or you worked out and got really lazy and used a medical ultrasonnd on the back of it. | Sep 13 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | Frankly, it's worth more than that to me. | Sep 13 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I may just keep it around as a second car. | Sep 13 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I was really mad at my cousin a few years ago. She tried selling me a 1998 Pontiac Sunfire for $2,500. | Sep 13 23:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Monaro and other holdens sent to EU. have race breed suspention fitted. PS this does not equal set like brick suspention. | Sep 13 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | I got down there and started it up, and the timing chain was so far gone you could tell just by listening. | Sep 13 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | So there's $1,000. | Sep 13 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | Then the windshield had a gigantic crack. | Sep 13 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | So there's another $600. | Sep 13 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I'm strongly leaning towards following up on that 2002 SEL. | Sep 13 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | That could be a nice car. | Sep 13 23:44 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: have you ever seen UK topgear reviewing a holden made car. | Sep 13 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | If it's in good shape, I could do $2,700 no problem. | Sep 13 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | Holden is Chevrolet over there, isn't it? | Sep 13 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | I think they market the Chevrolet Spark as the Holden Spark over there. | Sep 13 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like Chevrolet. | Sep 13 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | My mom swears by them, as her car seems to need a thousand dollars worth of shit about every year. | Sep 13 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | And it's 10 years newer than my Ford! | Sep 13 23:45 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: same engines yes. If they are build in Australia completley different chassie suspention and gearbox and computer. | Sep 13 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Chevy has really gone to hell. | Sep 13 23:46 |
| MinceR | they're all GM. | Sep 13 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | About the last decent car I think they made was the 1995 Lumina and Corsica. | Sep 13 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Both had the 3.1 liter V6. | Sep 13 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Totally agree Chevy does not know how to do a suspention system to save self. | Sep 13 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | It was standard on the Lumina, option on the Corsica. | Sep 13 23:47 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3110#comic | Sep 13 23:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal [ http://ur1.ca/fj1d5 ] | Sep 13 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | But the Corsica weighed about 900 pounds less. | Sep 13 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | So that car was fucking FAST. | Sep 13 23:47 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: holden v8 are almost idling at 100 km per hour. | Sep 13 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm serious. It had a better 0-60 than a Grand Prix. | Sep 13 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | They really outdid themselves on the Corsica with the V6 option. | Sep 13 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | They kind of have that "Grandma car" feel to them when you look at them. | Sep 13 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | Looks like a boring little sedan, but driving it is like you're in a sports car. | Sep 13 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | You can still find 1995-96 models around for about $1,500 with low mileage. | Sep 13 23:48 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: one thing chevy does know how to make is a done right good engine block. | Sep 13 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | If you need a car on the cheap, that's the one to get. | Sep 13 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | The engines are good. | Sep 13 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | They have sensor and transmission problems mostly. | Sep 13 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | The sensors are NOT cheap either. | Sep 13 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | The tire pressure sensors are like $200 each. | Sep 13 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | The O2 sensor is about a $500 job, and you can expect that to go somewhere between 100 and 150K. | Sep 13 23:50 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: it gets funny. Chevy east west engines(front wheel drive) get found in holdens in north/south configuration. rear wheel drive. | Sep 13 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | The transmission is the worst part on the newer Impalas. | Sep 13 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | Expect a $3,000 rebuild at about 100K. | Sep 13 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | It'll start slipping, or you'll lose your Reverse gear. | Sep 13 23:51 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: the reason why the Chevy round wheel drive fails is the engine block is too large does not leave enough space for strong enough gearbox. | Sep 13 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 13 23:51 |
| oiaohm | ronnt/front | Sep 13 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, you'll lose Reverse with no warning, so you'll be parked at Walmart or something when it won't shift into that gear anymore. :) | Sep 13 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | The Taurus has the occasional wear item go out, but the parts are so cheap that you're not looking at a huge repair bill. | Sep 13 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | I picked up a brand new water pump for like $45. | Sep 13 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | I replaced the radiator with a new one for $250. | Sep 13 23:52 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: holdens don't lose gears they lose gearsticks at times. | Sep 13 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | Not aftermarket either, the original Ford part! | Sep 13 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | How awesome is that? :) | Sep 13 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | The newer Chevys are also impossible to work on. | Sep 13 23:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: same with holdens. | Sep 13 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | When my alternator on the Corsica went out, I disconnected the battery, unplugged a few wires, removed a bolt, and it came right off. | Sep 13 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't have to pay a mechanic anything, I just replaced it myself. | Sep 13 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | Same with the ignition coil packs. | Sep 13 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Some holdens the only way to work on engine is under it. | Sep 13 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | unbolt them, slap the new ones on, reconnect the spark plug wires. | Sep 13 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes they are designed that you take the stone tray off and attack the car from under it. | Sep 13 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | There's something to be said for simple repair jobs you can do in your own driveway. | Sep 13 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | That's really what held me to the "1995 or older" rule for so long. | Sep 13 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | I could have bought a newer car, I just couldn't work on it myself. | Sep 13 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | That really takes the value down in my book. | Sep 13 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | The property manager at the apartment I was living in came out to bitch at me one day back in 2003. | Sep 13 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | She got in one morning and I had my car jacked up while I was doing a brake job. | Sep 13 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | They tend to frown on that. | Sep 13 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 13 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | I told her that if she could hand me $200 more, I'd take it to the shop. | Sep 13 23:58 |
| oiaohm | You should hear them scream when you have a portable car host. | Sep 13 23:58 |
| oiaohm | And the car is like 6 foot off the ground. | Sep 13 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | I had let the brakes on that Corsica get so bad that when I stopped, they'd go "Clack clack clack!!!!" | Sep 13 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | I drove around with it for about 5-6 months after it started doing that. | Sep 13 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Sep 13 23:59 |
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