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| TheMadHatter_ | Guess not. Roy, you need to read this. Would like to get feedback. | Sep 16 03:44 |
| TheMadHatter_ | http://therealmadhatter.wordpress.com/2013/09/15/bug-crushing-microsoft-and-the-nsa/ | Sep 16 03:44 |
| TheMadHatter_ | Be back later. Going to bed. | Sep 16 03:46 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, A 2004 Crown Victoria became available at the car dealer I'm looking at. | Sep 16 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | There's a tank for you. | Sep 16 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Crown_Victoria-4dr_Sdn_LX-Columbia_City-IN/2050909453 | Sep 16 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | 4.6 liter V8 | Sep 16 05:32 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm almost tempted. | Sep 16 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | I say almost because it's a gas guzzler that will take my insurance premiums through the roof. | Sep 16 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | The Indiana State Police drive the Crown Vic. | Sep 16 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | There are no fender benders when you're in a Vic. | Sep 16 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | There are "the other guy's fender is gone and his back seat may be in his front seat". | Sep 16 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | You could probably have a head on with a train and tell people "Stay here while I figure out what I did to the train." | Sep 16 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | The Vic might not be a bad idea. | Sep 16 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | There's a lot of morons on the road. | Sep 16 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | I've been hit by drunk drivers twice. | Sep 16 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | At least I'd be safe in a Vic. | Sep 16 05:55 |
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| MinceR | :> | Sep 16 06:41 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't drive into the train with it, though | Sep 16 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I put this on my pmp. | Sep 16 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dlk6zshak4 | Sep 16 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'll have to listen to it on the way back from the dealer. :P | Sep 16 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | They actually paid him for the rights to the song to use in commercials. | Sep 16 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | I remember them using it back in the 90s. | Sep 16 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSQaZws_Qv8 | Sep 16 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Sep 16 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | I remember this one. | Sep 16 07:24 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, A 2004 Crown Victoria became available at the car dealer I'm looking at. | Sep 16 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | There's a tank for you. | Sep 16 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Crown_Victoria-4dr_Sdn_LX-Columbia_City-IN/2050909453 | Sep 16 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | 4.6 liter V8 | Sep 16 00:32 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm almost tempted. | Sep 16 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | I say almost because it's a gas guzzler that will take my insurance premiums through the roof. | Sep 16 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | The Indiana State Police drive the Crown Vic. | Sep 16 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | There are no fender benders when you're in a Vic. | Sep 16 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | There are "the other guy's fender is gone and his back seat may be in his front seat". | Sep 16 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | You could probably have a head on with a train and tell people "Stay here while I figure out what I did to the train." | Sep 16 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | The Vic might not be a bad idea. | Sep 16 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | There's a lot of morons on the road. | Sep 16 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | I've been hit by drunk drivers twice. | Sep 16 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | At least I'd be safe in a Vic. | Sep 16 00:55 |
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| MinceR | :> | Sep 16 01:41 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't drive into the train with it, though | Sep 16 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I put this on my pmp. | Sep 16 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dlk6zshak4 | Sep 16 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'll have to listen to it on the way back from the dealer. :P | Sep 16 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | They actually paid him for the rights to the song to use in commercials. | Sep 16 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | I remember them using it back in the 90s. | Sep 16 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSQaZws_Qv8 | Sep 16 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Sep 16 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | I remember this one. | Sep 16 02:24 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/kill-the-copyright-monopoly-altogether-130915/ | Sep 16 05:23 |
| iophk | "Today, peoples homes are raided at dawn by police with drawn weapons for listening to music and watching movies from unauthorized sources." | Sep 16 05:25 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2048800/how-to-find-out-what-the-data-miners-know-about-you.html | Sep 16 05:29 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/kill-the-copyright-monopoly-altogether-130915/ | Sep 16 10:23 |
| iophk | "Today, people’s homes are raided at dawn by police with drawn weapons for listening to music and watching movies from unauthorized sources." | Sep 16 10:25 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2048800/how-to-find-out-what-the-data-miners-know-about-you.html | Sep 16 10:29 |
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| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2294825/nokia-was-flirting-with-android-before-microsoft-buyout | Sep 16 13:22 |
| iophk | Two things, it was 3.79 billion for the handset division | Sep 16 13:22 |
| iophk | the rest is for a 10-year license on some patents | Sep 16 13:23 |
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| iophk | so the purchase price is not 7 billion | Sep 16 13:23 |
| iophk | the other thing is that they had a good Meego product which should have been mentioned along with Android | Sep 16 13:23 |
| oiaohm | iophk: part of the down fall of Maemo then Meego at nokia is an interesting one. | Sep 16 13:27 |
| oiaohm | iophk: same happened with symbian as well. | Sep 16 13:28 |
| oiaohm | iophk: If nokia a main support does not have faith in something no one else can. | Sep 16 13:29 |
| iophk | Yeah Elop turned away from both Symbian (OSS) and Meego (OSS) | Sep 16 13:33 |
| iophk | Symbian was starting to be on the way out, but had a few years left in it. | Sep 16 13:33 |
| iophk | The way he cut it loose was a disaster. | Sep 16 13:33 |
| iophk | Then Meego was just starting to gain ground and compared very favorably to iPhone. | Sep 16 13:33 |
| iophk | Tomi Ahonen has written a lot about it. But my concern there is that the articles are dropping key facts. | Sep 16 13:34 |
| iophk | that last one looked like an omission. | Sep 16 13:34 |
| iophk | But others have looked more like revisionism. | Sep 16 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Symbian was in trouble because of lacking up stream hardware maker support. | Sep 16 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Nokia never tried a symbian userspace on a Linux kernel. In theory possible. | Sep 16 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Instead Nokia took the path of converting symbian interface to Qt | Sep 16 13:37 |
| oiaohm | How to ruin thing completley was not demarding QT support on Windows Phone. | Sep 16 13:37 |
| iophk | Windows Phone was (is) dead no matter what is done. M$ might pump a lot of money into it, but just how much will be harder to track now that it is an in-house operation. | Sep 16 13:38 |
| iophk | Symbian could have been wrapped up better so that a smooth transition could have been made. | Sep 16 13:39 |
| iophk | Windows Phone will be the Zune or the Kin of the smartphone world. | Sep 16 13:39 |
| iophk | I'm still not sure of the attraction of smartphones in general. Who needs a phone that has to be recharged every day? | Sep 16 13:40 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I have a cheap chininse phone with larger screen than samsung note with 4 days battery life in usage. | Sep 16 13:41 |
| iophk | Which brand, if I may ask? | Sep 16 13:42 |
| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/bizarre-comment-by-nokia-in-response-to-an-article-about-me-as-i-have-never-been-marketing-manager-a.html | Sep 16 13:43 |
| iophk | Nokia is starting to dirty like M$ already | Sep 16 13:44 |
| oiaohm | iophk: annoying our own company logo is on them. | Sep 16 13:44 |
| oiaohm | iophk: yes I forgot what they are when they are not customised with logo. | Sep 16 13:45 |
| iophk | Maybe inside under the battery it says what it is? That is if you can afford to turn it off and check. | Sep 16 13:45 |
| oiaohm | iophk: 200 AUD without custom logo 220 AUD with custom logo. Under battery will say foxcomm. | Sep 16 13:46 |
| oiaohm | iophk: and our company name. | Sep 16 13:46 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the sod is a nice duel sim phone as well. | Sep 16 13:47 |
| oiaohm | andrid 4.2 | Sep 16 13:47 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I am really interested to see what the phone I have does with Android 4.3 that is may times more power effective. | Sep 16 13:59 |
| iophk | Isn't 4.3 (jellybean) already out? | Sep 16 13:59 |
| iophk | How difficult are the upgrades to do? | Sep 16 14:00 |
| oiaohm | 24 July 2013 is when jellybean was offically released. | Sep 16 14:01 |
| oiaohm | iophk: hardware makers updates of coruse can be 6 months latter. | Sep 16 14:01 |
| iophk | http://www.zdnet.com/jollas-sailfish-gets-android-compatibility-as-it-reopens-sailfish-device-pre-orders-7000020709/ | Sep 16 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I got given some old free tech the other week | Sep 16 14:32 |
| iophk | What's it like? | Sep 16 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what's inteersting is that someone else wants the Dbox badly | Sep 16 14:33 |
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| iophk | What's a dbox? | Sep 16 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh some old cable or stable box or something | Sep 16 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | with a Linux distro on it | Sep 16 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | see wikipedia | Sep 16 14:44 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: by the way | Sep 16 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | and hi to DaemonFC and MinceR etc to | Sep 16 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | Linuxcon Us | Sep 16 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | the keynotes are about to start straming | Sep 16 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | in 10 minutes or so | Sep 16 14:50 |
| iophk | will there be Ogg files to download afterward? | Sep 16 14:51 |
| iophk | There seem to be some barriers to streaming. | Sep 16 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: probably something for after | Sep 16 14:51 |
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| sebsebseb | ,but Live streaming is about to start | Sep 16 14:51 |
| iophk | They've got Linus Torvalds himself on a panel at the end. | Sep 16 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's today | Sep 16 14:52 |
| iophk | I though he didn't do conferences any more. | Sep 16 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | at the beginign yeah | Sep 16 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: he's coming to LInuxcon Europe next month to | Sep 16 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | in Edinbrugh | Sep 16 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I was going to go to that, but have decided not to go now | Sep 16 14:53 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: going to the other event just before it though :) | Sep 16 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | morning sebsebseb | Sep 16 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | got to get my ticket, but yeah | Sep 16 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: afternoon | Sep 16 14:53 |
| *DaemonFC is getting ready to go down to City Ford. | Sep 16 14:53 | |
| sebsebseb | iophk: thing is with someone like Linus ok see them in a talk rigbht great, but | Sep 16 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to look at a 2004 Ford Crown Victoria. | Sep 16 14:54 |
| iophk | I see that M$ BlackDuck is a sponsor. | Sep 16 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: would we get to talk to him afterwoulds? no probably not | Sep 16 14:54 |
| iophk | So is Suse | Sep 16 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | Then MinceR can say that I drive a tank. | Sep 16 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: M$ BlackDuck? you don't like BlackDuck ? | Sep 16 14:54 |
| iophk | It promotes a M$ agenda and is stocked by M$ people. | Sep 16 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | They have one on their lot that seems to be reasonably priced. | Sep 16 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | for the Euroepan one got Suse and Samsung and what not | Sep 16 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm hoping I don't get the one that "just needs a little TLC". | Sep 16 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: right well I have a feeling going to have some Open Suse at the isntall fest since that guy | Sep 16 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | Transmission, Lights, Chassis! | Sep 16 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: going to decice on distros and such tommorw | Sep 16 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 16 14:55 |
| iophk | Mageia would be a more solid choice. | Sep 16 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | yes going to have Mageia :) | Sep 16 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but we are probably doing multi distro | Sep 16 14:55 |
| iophk | You do have to think about the long term welfare of the users. | Sep 16 14:55 |
| iophk | Multidistro: Ubuntu + Mageia | Sep 16 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah, but this guy might want Open Suse | Sep 16 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | he probably does so we'll see | Sep 16 14:55 |
| iophk | You'll have to work on him then. | Sep 16 14:56 |
| iophk | It's time for him to let Suse go | Sep 16 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | he's used it for like 10 years or so as well | Sep 16 14:56 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: just needs a little 'car'. | Sep 16 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse | Sep 16 14:56 |
| iophk | all the more reasone for him to move on. | Sep 16 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what's annoying is that LInus etc speak in morning, well if I am to actsauly go :d | Sep 16 14:57 |
| iophk | New users will be overwhelmed by things you and I are either used to or ignore. | Sep 16 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: to the one next month in Edinbrugh I am not a morning person | Sep 16 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | this US one is ok though :d | Sep 16 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | it's afternon here | Sep 16 14:57 |
| iophk | Keeping their choice to one between desktops is important. | Sep 16 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | nearly 3pm :) | Sep 16 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | so watching the streaming works well for me :) | Sep 16 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: between desktops? UBuntu for Unity, Mageia for everything else? | Sep 16 14:57 |
| iophk | Yep | Sep 16 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, To Ford's credit, they did make a fuel efficient V8. | Sep 16 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | yes would make things simpler | Sep 16 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I'll see what this guy says tommorw etc | Sep 16 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | How many 4.6 liter V8s get 17/25? | Sep 16 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | altough before he was kind of like, any distro will do sort of thing | Sep 16 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | My V6 doesn't even get that! | Sep 16 14:58 |
| iophk | It also allows the staff to streamline installations | Sep 16 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean streamline? | Sep 16 14:58 |
| iophk | less work | Sep 16 14:58 |
| iophk | If there are a lot of people, things can get chaotic easily. | Sep 16 14:58 |
| iophk | The simpler it is to do the installation the less potential for chaos there is. | Sep 16 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep indeed | Sep 16 15:00 |
| iophk | Another thing to think of is that you want to show off how easy an installation is. | Sep 16 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | hence local repo's | Sep 16 15:00 |
| iophk | they won't do the installation themselves, of course, but it will help set the mood. | Sep 16 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | they will do installation them seles, with help :) | Sep 16 15:00 |
| iophk | Interesting | Sep 16 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I'm writing a check to myself because their ATM will charge me a fee. | Sep 16 15:01 |
| iophk | Are tazers allowed? | Sep 16 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think ? | Sep 16 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I'm on my mom's account at the credit union, but I don't bank there. | Sep 16 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | So their ATM will charge me, but cashing a check is free. | Sep 16 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 16 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think may get a distros debate tommorwo depends :d | Sep 16 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: alslo I have to explain about the instals more propelry how they can be done etc probably | Sep 16 15:02 |
| iophk | Will you have a paper brochure explaining the installation steps, so that they know kind of what's going on before they sit down? | Sep 16 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's an idea | Sep 16 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | we could provide something like that | Sep 16 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: heh heh maybe I should get them all to come here on IRC tommorow to, so they can chat to you, heh heh | Sep 16 15:03 |
| iophk | What kind of hardware can you get in terms of cables and switches? | Sep 16 15:06 |
| iophk | I'm thinking that most former M$ notebooks and desktops have only 100Mbps ethernet. | Sep 16 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | ok time for LInuxcon US live | Sep 16 15:07 |
| iophk | So old stuff should work fine. | Sep 16 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | well something came on now :d | Sep 16 15:07 |
| iophk | enjoy | Sep 16 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | well talk isn't on yet | Sep 16 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but something to say strema is working yes | Sep 16 15:07 |
| iophk | The streaming page gives me only a blank form with no labels. The individual conference items in the programme don't link to any streaming either. | Sep 16 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I'll need to go by the ATM. | Sep 16 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | I hate her bank. They're always really snotty with me. | Sep 16 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | "We don't want to do that because the check might bounce." | Sep 16 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Excuse me? | Sep 16 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Lady. | Sep 16 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | My checks are good. | Sep 16 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Mom wonders why I won't bank there. | Sep 16 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | They treat me like shit. I'm seriously unimpressed. | Sep 16 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: try this isntead then http://www.ustream.tv/LinuxFoundation | Sep 16 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.ustream.tv/LinuxFoundation | Sep 16 15:18 |
| iophk | It's Flash. :( | Sep 16 15:19 |
| iophk | Thanks though | Sep 16 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah on ustream it is | Sep 16 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: site not sure | Sep 16 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | The only thing wrong I see with this car is there's a small scratch or paint chip missing. On the front grill. | Sep 16 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Crown_Victoria-4dr_Sdn_LX-Columbia_City-IN/2050909453 | Sep 16 15:20 |
| iophk | A "podcast" is not so hard. Why does the LinuxFoundation have so many hoops to hop through to listen? | Sep 16 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still considering it. | Sep 16 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | I might be able to repair that. They sell paint touch up kits. | Sep 16 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | I could also ask the salesman if they'd fix it before selling it to me. | Sep 16 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | They are a Ford dealer, they do keep touch up paint on hand. | Sep 16 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | $3,100 is still a good price assuming the car is in good condition. | Sep 16 15:22 |
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| iophk | http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-exclusive-nsa-spies-on-international-bank-transactions-a-922276.html | Sep 16 15:43 |
| iophk | http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/uk-launches-intellectual-property-crime-unit-127180 | Sep 16 15:57 |
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| iophk | sebsebseb: For the installfest you'll also want to decide about installing Flash. I wouldn't have it on any of my machines but some users will "just" want to watch Youtube. There is the HTML5 test but relatively few videos in HTML5. But in installing Flash you have to let them know that they are giving up a good portion of the security advantages that come with Linux. | Sep 16 16:33 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk1: yes indeed codecs need to be installed | Sep 16 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | and things like that | Sep 16 17:10 |
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| iophk | Users should know that the private codecs are a twoedged sword. | Sep 16 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: can say for legal reasons it's not by default or something | Sep 16 17:11 |
| iophk | They're giving up at least as much as they are gaining from using them. | Sep 16 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | ,but these people won't genearlly care or understand | Sep 16 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | they jus awnt FLash etc tow ork | Sep 16 17:11 |
| iophk | But then that should be presented in a way that does not scare them | Sep 16 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | same for some with WIndows programs, if iworks in Wine great | Sep 16 17:11 |
| iophk | Yes but you can help them make an informed decision. | Sep 16 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | they don't care about native | Sep 16 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hmm I have just found out that the meeting tommorwo | Sep 16 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | crashes with the packagers meeting | Sep 16 17:12 |
| iophk | Flash also cedes control over the keyboard input, microphone and camera. | Sep 16 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | which is about dropping some features maybe if not complete etc | Sep 16 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | I can be on IRC at the pub as well :D | Sep 16 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | on my net book | Sep 16 17:12 |
| iophk | drink and type? | Sep 16 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | sure people bring aong hteir ocmputers all the time to that to the LUG meetings | Sep 16 17:12 |
| iophk | better to leave the netbook home | Sep 16 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no I have taken it quite a few times now | Sep 16 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | I am just careful | Sep 16 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | to keep it away from drinks | Sep 16 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | altough once he nearly spilled all over it when it was in my open bag uh | Sep 16 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: plus want it along to show them the new welcome screen demo as well | Sep 16 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | means I got to set up my netbook first for that etc | Sep 16 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,burt yeah | Sep 16 17:14 |
| iophk | I brought a notebook to a pub once, had it out to finish loading some things. People complained, but I was on a tight schedule. | Sep 16 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Sep 16 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | well here's it's free wifi at that pub | Sep 16 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | people bring aong their computers if they want | Sep 16 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: might do any notes on the computer to rather than paper | Sep 16 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | I Type much better than I write :) | Sep 16 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | writing is so old fashioend, I am a typer | Sep 16 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | gnone shell will let me nicely switch between Libre Office and my IRC client as well :D | Sep 16 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | and such | Sep 16 17:15 |
| iophk | typing can be faster for words, but sketching is still faster on paper | Sep 16 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | no not sketcing, just adding notes itnot the task list possbily | Sep 16 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | and things ilke that | Sep 16 17:16 |
| iophk | If you install Skype on people's machines, I would beg you to also install Jitsi or Linphone and get people set up with that. | Sep 16 17:17 |
| iophk | That gives them an option to escape to open standards and open source. | Sep 16 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | or Mumble or something | Sep 16 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | we can talk about stuff like that at our meeting tomomrow | Sep 16 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah I don't really want to do loasd of SKype installs | Sep 16 17:18 |
| iophk | No that would be nasty | Sep 16 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Sep 16 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah got to set my netbook up later on today | Sep 16 17:20 |
| sebsebseb | or tommorwo before going realy | Sep 16 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | so I have what I want on there etc :) | Sep 16 17:21 |
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| DaemonFC | I checked out the Crown Victoria. | Sep 16 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | The engine was ticking and there was evidence of a bad head gasket. | Sep 16 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | And the Traction Control warning light was on. | Sep 16 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | Someone REALLY beat the shit out of that car. | Sep 16 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | It looks like, it just doesn't run well, and it would probably take a couple thousand dollars to fix just what I observed. | Sep 16 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | *looks nice | Sep 16 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | That's really a shame. If it was in good shape, I'd have bought it on the spot. | Sep 16 17:46 |
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| DaemonFC | I can't believe they bothered to detail a car that's running that bad. | Sep 16 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody will buy it except if it goes to auction or they mark it down to about $1,000. | Sep 16 17:47 |
| *DaemonFC would buy it at $1,000 because it would leave room for repairs. | Sep 16 17:47 | |
| DaemonFC | People who abuse such a fine automobile should be shot. | Sep 16 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Shouldn't they? :) | Sep 16 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | Some fucktwit that could barely afford the payments probably got it and drove it around to impress their friends while letting it go to hell/ | Sep 16 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm looking for a deal. I'm just hitting dead ends so far. | Sep 16 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | They sold the Sable LS that I wanted to someone else. | Sep 16 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | The Crown Vic was fucked by some fucking fuck. | Sep 16 17:52 |
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| DaemonFC | The Venture EXT had EVERY warning light on. | Sep 16 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | Truly awful shape. | Sep 16 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | The salesman was nice though. He was the one that came out and told me that they were all in really rough shape. I checked them out anyway. Gave him my number, and told him to call me back if anything reasonable for about $3,000 shows up. | Sep 16 17:57 |
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| DaemonFC | When you have a car salesman telling you that he can't take your money in good conscience for the vehicle you're looking at, you should probably listen. | Sep 16 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | He said that he was just going to mark them for sale to an auction. He didn't want their reputation damaged for selling cars like that. | Sep 16 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I don't go to these little car lots that shop auctions. | Sep 16 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | They get some really awful stuff that reputable dealers wanted rid of. | Sep 16 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/544/408/images/2013/7/1/349/766/32142904914.349766791.IM1.04.565x421_A.562x421.jpg | Sep 16 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Sep 16 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | This car lot in Fort Wayne is selling a car that had the airbag deploy. | Sep 16 18:11 |
| hp_mobile | http://www.libervis.com/article/the-future-of-libervis-com | Sep 16 18:17 |
| hp_mobile | " That's a rough overview of where I'm going with Libervis.com. It will be a gradual development, and it will start with some architectural changes (switching from Drupal to Wordpress, and in the process possibly improving the site's design). The logo will stay the same." | Sep 16 18:17 |
| hp_mobile | Daniel used to hang out here | Sep 16 18:17 |
| hp_mobile | "Libervis.com has been founded in September 2004, almost exactly 9 years ago, as an open source community platform. Since then it has evolved through a number of iterations. We gathered around a small community of Free and Open Source Software enthusiasts and made this a place where we talk about the politics and economics of software development, and later the political and economic implications of technological develo | Sep 16 18:17 |
| hp_mobile | pment and application in general. " | Sep 16 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bartscarstore.com/web/used/Pontiac-Montana-2003-Columbia-City-IN/7075796/ | Sep 16 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | That might not be a bad deal. | Sep 16 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | 2003 Pontiac Montana Extended with 100,000 miles for $2,500. | Sep 16 18:20 |
| iophk | http://www.eweek.com/developer/who-writes-linux-in-2013.html | Sep 16 18:27 |
| iophk | Maybe Torvalds is spending more time on tougher patches. | Sep 16 18:28 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: :shrug: | Sep 16 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Sep 16 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | Bart's Car Store. | Sep 16 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | They carry some really high priced shitty cars. | Sep 16 18:37 |
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| DaemonFC | I have the guy looking into a 1999 Mercury Villager for me. | Sep 16 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | I normally wouldn't even consider it, but it's very low mileage. | Sep 16 20:09 |
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| DaemonFC | Found another Crown Vic | Sep 16 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | A 1998 with 45,000 miles! | Sep 16 20:38 |
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| DaemonFC | He said that a couple of windows won't roll down and the air conditioner doesn't work. | Sep 16 20:53 |
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| DaemonFC | Other than that, the car appears to be in excellent condition. | Sep 16 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | They lowered the asking price to $2,995. | Sep 16 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | It's probably worth it. | Sep 16 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | We're going into winter anyway, so the A/C won't be a big deal for several months. | Sep 16 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | It's probably the compressor. | Sep 16 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm guessing $800-900 to replace that. | Sep 16 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe a few hundred each if the window motors are bad. | Sep 16 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | If that's where the problems end, $2995 is more than fair. | Sep 16 20:55 |
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| DaemonFC | If I can get that Vic, I'll buy it. | Sep 16 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'll wait a while and then take it to a Ford dealer and have them fix the A/C and the windows. | Sep 16 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be willing to go in $5,000 to have a Vic with low mileage and perfect exterior/interior. | Sep 16 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | It's down in Muncie. | Sep 16 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | I could probably pester my mom to give me a ride down there on Thursday. | Sep 16 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | I could drive myself but then I'd have no way of bringing my Taurus back. | Sep 16 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I want a car that can run over clowns and total trains all day. | Sep 16 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | And I think that this might be the car for me. B-) | Sep 16 21:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 16 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | You should get a Vic and import it to Hungaristan. | Sep 16 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | I guarantee people there will get out of your way. :) | Sep 16 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | OMG!!! | Sep 16 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | It's all leather! | Sep 16 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Even the steering wheel! | Sep 16 21:07 |
| MinceR | i think i'd get better mileage out of a Land Cruiser | Sep 16 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | That is a nice car. | Sep 16 21:08 |
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| MinceR | also, i'm not sure how the Vic would handle what our government calls "roads" | Sep 16 21:08 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/img_popup.jsp?car_id=354493580&photoIndex=8 | Sep 16 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.autotrader.com | AutoTrader.com [ http://ur1.ca/fkk6f ] | Sep 16 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | oops | Sep 16 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2013/9/10/354/493/33163755792.354493580.IM1.09.565x421_A.562x421.jpg | Sep 16 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | That's a sharp full size sedan. | Sep 16 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | No rust, no dings, no scratches. Perfect interior. | Sep 16 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | It looks like it could have rolled out of the factory yesterday. | Sep 16 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | If it runs as good as it looks, I'd do $3,000. | Sep 16 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | There's a lot of used Crown Vic cop cars for sale. | Sep 16 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | They have that thing mounted on the front that they use to ram other cars with. | Sep 16 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | They have better shocks and suspension. | Sep 16 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | Better rims. | Sep 16 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | The only problem I'd have is that that they get some serious abuse. | Sep 16 21:15 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 16 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have the one that the little old lady in Florida put 40-some thousand miles on. | Sep 16 21:17 |
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| DaemonFC | Carfax says this car was in Florida until 2010. | Sep 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | That probably explains the condition it's in. | Sep 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana winters are hard on cars. | Sep 16 21:17 |
| tessier | Any opinions on these three banner ads I've just had whipped up? I feel they could be improved but I'm not sure how. http://imgur.com/a/DlmwG | Sep 16 21:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | imgur.com | Copilotco banners - Imgur | Sep 16 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, From what I've been reading, the "window won't go down" is a common problem on those cars. | Sep 16 21:20 |
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| DaemonFC | Most people report that if you hold down the button and slam the car door, it'll work again. | Sep 16 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | There's a part in the door that can get dirty and doing that will fix it for a while. | Sep 16 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 16 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, If your roads are comparable to what my mom described in France, you'd probably have a hard time driving my Ford Taurus down one of them. | Sep 16 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | I was at Walmart to get an oil change for the Taurus today. The guy at the counter was really rude to me. | Sep 16 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | "So, you want the 5w20, right?" | Sep 16 21:23 |
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| DaemonFC | Me: "In a 1995 Taurus SHO? No! That will ruin my engine! That's what you put in little 1 liter 4 cylinder engines." | Sep 16 21:24 |
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| DaemonFC | "Well! I use it in my 4.6 V8!" | Sep 16 21:24 |
| _Goblin | Hello DaemonFC ......long time no type. | Sep 16 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Well, you keep using that in YOUR car!" | Sep 16 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 16 21:24 |
| MinceR | iirc the Vic also has poorer handling than the cars i'm used to :> | Sep 16 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Probably because it's RWD. | Sep 16 21:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, that's part of it | Sep 16 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | It's hard to sell them in today's economy. | Sep 16 21:25 |
| MinceR | i remember mentions of all sorts of add-on packages that tried to make handling better :> | Sep 16 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | People don't want a gas guzzler that's RWD. | Sep 16 21:25 |
| MinceR | well, i prefer AWD | Sep 16 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | So the price of the cars on the market becomes very reasonable. | Sep 16 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | I don't drive much. | Sep 16 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe 5,000-6,000 miles per year. | Sep 16 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The gas prices have gotten so bad that car dealers won't even take SUVs in trade anymore. | Sep 16 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | They can't find people that want to buy them, so people who bought them when gas was cheap are more or less stuck with them. | Sep 16 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | Unless they practically give it away. | Sep 16 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | There's lots of SUVs on the market at really low prices right now. | Sep 16 21:28 |
| _Goblin | Sort of off topic a little but the new Hyundai's are very good value, reasonable cars. | Sep 16 21:32 |
| _Goblin | now thats a company which has changed its image in a very short space of time. | Sep 16 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but my credit stinks because of medical bills. | Sep 16 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | So nobody will talk to me. | Sep 16 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | So I'm kind of limited to cash on hand and maybe put a little on the credit card. | Sep 16 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | Considering what I've got to work with, a $2995 deal on a Crown Vic is a pretty good option. | Sep 16 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | The guy said that we could meet to discuss the sale on Wednesday. | Sep 16 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to call him back and ask him if Thursday would be alright. | Sep 16 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | That's when I can get a ride down there. | Sep 16 21:39 |
| MinceR | hyundai "engineer"s are stupid enough to put m$ software in their rolling death traps | Sep 16 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, All the more reason to go with a 98 Crown Vic. | Sep 16 21:41 |
| MinceR | so are ford "engineer"s | Sep 16 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | No chance it has spyware/malware with remote access through a satellite. | Sep 16 21:42 |
| MinceR | though its possible than back in 1998, they had some idea of how to build a reliable system :> | Sep 16 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The stuff that GM and Ford made in the 90s was just better. | Sep 16 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Even their low end cars now have mandatory spyware that you have to pay extra for even if you don't want it. | Sep 16 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Back in 2004, when I had a good job and great credit, I had 0% APR offers from Ford and GM! | Sep 16 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | So I went car shopping. Should have bought one. Then I'd be driving an '04 instead of a banged up '95 that's leaking something else every week. | Sep 16 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | The salesman was pitching Onstar, which was optional. | Sep 16 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | Told him I didn't need it and that I'd like to leave that option out to save the $600. | Sep 16 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | He went back to telling me why I did need it. | Sep 16 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | I told him I've made it around in about a dozen different states with a map I bought for $3 at Walmart. | Sep 16 21:49 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 16 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, How can people who are too stupid to read a map buy a $30,000 car? | Sep 16 21:52 |
| MinceR | easily. | Sep 16 21:53 |
| MinceR | they buy crApple products with the same ease. | Sep 16 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | I need to get a lot dumber. | Sep 16 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Hit me over the head with something a few times. | Sep 16 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | When I come to, I can buy a new Lincoln. | Sep 16 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 16 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I'm definitely buying that 98 Vic off that guy. | Sep 16 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | $2995 is more than fair. | Sep 16 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'll kick the tires and drive it down the highway for a few minutes, but I think it's probably safe to say I'll buy it. | Sep 16 21:57 |
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