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TheMadHatter_Anyone home?Sep 16 03:42
TheMadHatter_Guess not. Roy, you need to read this. Would like to get feedback.Sep 16 03:44
TheMadHatter_http://therealmadhatter.wordpress.com/2013/09/15/bug-crushing-microsoft-and-the-nsa/Sep 16 03:44
TheMadHatter_Be back later. Going to bed.Sep 16 03:46
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DaemonFCMinceR, A 2004 Crown Victoria became available at the car dealer I'm looking at.Sep 16 05:32
DaemonFCThere's a tank for you.Sep 16 05:32
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Crown_Victoria-4dr_Sdn_LX-Columbia_City-IN/2050909453Sep 16 05:32
DaemonFC4.6 liter V8Sep 16 05:32
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DaemonFCI'm almost tempted.Sep 16 05:38
DaemonFCI say almost because it's a gas guzzler that will take my insurance premiums through the roof.Sep 16 05:38
DaemonFCThe Indiana State Police drive the Crown Vic.Sep 16 05:38
DaemonFCThere are no fender benders when you're in a Vic.Sep 16 05:54
DaemonFCThere are "the other guy's fender is gone and his back seat may be in his front seat".Sep 16 05:54
DaemonFCYou could probably have a head on with a train and tell people "Stay here while I figure out what I did to the train."Sep 16 05:54
DaemonFCThe Vic might not be a bad idea.Sep 16 05:55
DaemonFCThere's a lot of morons on the road.Sep 16 05:55
DaemonFCI've been hit by drunk drivers twice.Sep 16 05:55
DaemonFCAt least I'd be safe in a Vic.Sep 16 05:55
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MinceR:>Sep 16 06:41
MinceRi wouldn't drive into the train with it, thoughSep 16 06:42
DaemonFCMinceR, I put this on my pmp.Sep 16 07:22
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dlk6zshak4Sep 16 07:22
DaemonFCI'll have to listen to it on the way back from the dealer. :PSep 16 07:22
DaemonFCThey actually paid him for the rights to the song to use in commercials.Sep 16 07:23
DaemonFCI remember them using it back in the 90s.Sep 16 07:23
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSQaZws_Qv8Sep 16 07:24
DaemonFClolSep 16 07:24
DaemonFCI remember this one.Sep 16 07:24
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DaemonFCMinceR, A 2004 Crown Victoria became available at the car dealer I'm looking at.Sep 16 00:32
DaemonFCThere's a tank for you.Sep 16 00:32
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Crown_Victoria-4dr_Sdn_LX-Columbia_City-IN/2050909453Sep 16 00:32
DaemonFC4.6 liter V8Sep 16 00:32
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DaemonFCI'm almost tempted.Sep 16 00:38
DaemonFCI say almost because it's a gas guzzler that will take my insurance premiums through the roof.Sep 16 00:38
DaemonFCThe Indiana State Police drive the Crown Vic.Sep 16 00:38
DaemonFCThere are no fender benders when you're in a Vic.Sep 16 00:54
DaemonFCThere are "the other guy's fender is gone and his back seat may be in his front seat".Sep 16 00:54
DaemonFCYou could probably have a head on with a train and tell people "Stay here while I figure out what I did to the train."Sep 16 00:54
DaemonFCThe Vic might not be a bad idea.Sep 16 00:55
DaemonFCThere's a lot of morons on the road.Sep 16 00:55
DaemonFCI've been hit by drunk drivers twice.Sep 16 00:55
DaemonFCAt least I'd be safe in a Vic.Sep 16 00:55
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MinceR:>Sep 16 01:41
MinceRi wouldn't drive into the train with it, thoughSep 16 01:42
DaemonFCMinceR, I put this on my pmp.Sep 16 02:22
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dlk6zshak4Sep 16 02:22
DaemonFCI'll have to listen to it on the way back from the dealer. :PSep 16 02:22
DaemonFCThey actually paid him for the rights to the song to use in commercials.Sep 16 02:23
DaemonFCI remember them using it back in the 90s.Sep 16 02:23
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSQaZws_Qv8Sep 16 02:24
DaemonFClolSep 16 02:24
DaemonFCI remember this one.Sep 16 02:24
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iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/kill-the-copyright-monopoly-altogether-130915/Sep 16 05:23
iophk"Today, peoples homes are raided at dawn by police with drawn weapons  for listening to music and watching movies from unauthorized sources."Sep 16 05:25
iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2048800/how-to-find-out-what-the-data-miners-know-about-you.htmlSep 16 05:29
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iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/kill-the-copyright-monopoly-altogether-130915/Sep 16 10:23
iophk"Today, people‚Äôs homes are raided at dawn by police with drawn weapons  for listening to music and watching movies from unauthorized sources."Sep 16 10:25
iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2048800/how-to-find-out-what-the-data-miners-know-about-you.htmlSep 16 10:29
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iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2294825/nokia-was-flirting-with-android-before-microsoft-buyoutSep 16 13:22
iophkTwo things, it was 3.79 billion for the handset divisionSep 16 13:22
iophkthe rest is for a 10-year license on some patentsSep 16 13:23
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iophkso the purchase price is not 7 billionSep 16 13:23
iophkthe other thing is that they had a good Meego product which should have been mentioned along with AndroidSep 16 13:23
oiaohmiophk: part of the down fall of Maemo then Meego at nokia is an interesting one.Sep 16 13:27
oiaohmiophk: same happened with symbian as well.Sep 16 13:28
oiaohmiophk: If nokia a main support does not have faith in something no one else can.Sep 16 13:29
iophkYeah Elop turned away from both Symbian (OSS) and Meego (OSS)Sep 16 13:33
iophkSymbian was starting to be on the way out, but had a few years left in it.Sep 16 13:33
iophkThe way he cut it loose was a disaster. Sep 16 13:33
iophkThen Meego was just starting to gain ground and compared very favorably to iPhone.Sep 16 13:33
iophkTomi Ahonen has written a lot about it.  But my concern there is that the articles are dropping key facts.Sep 16 13:34
iophkthat last one looked like an omission.Sep 16 13:34
iophkBut others have looked more like revisionism.Sep 16 13:34
oiaohmSymbian was in trouble because of lacking up stream hardware  maker support.Sep 16 13:36
oiaohmNokia never tried a symbian userspace on a Linux kernel.  In theory possible.Sep 16 13:36
oiaohmInstead Nokia took the path of converting symbian interface to QtSep 16 13:37
oiaohmHow to ruin thing completley was not demarding QT support on Windows Phone.Sep 16 13:37
iophkWindows Phone was (is) dead no matter what is done.  M$ might pump a lot of money into it, but just how much will be harder to track now that it is an in-house operation.Sep 16 13:38
iophkSymbian could have been wrapped up better so that a smooth transition could have been made.Sep 16 13:39
iophkWindows Phone will be the Zune or the Kin of the smartphone world.Sep 16 13:39
iophkI'm still not sure of the attraction of smartphones in general. Who needs a phone that has to be recharged every day?Sep 16 13:40
oiaohmiophk: I have a cheap chininse phone with larger screen than samsung note with 4 days battery life in usage.Sep 16 13:41
iophkWhich brand, if I may ask?Sep 16 13:42
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/bizarre-comment-by-nokia-in-response-to-an-article-about-me-as-i-have-never-been-marketing-manager-a.htmlSep 16 13:43
iophkNokia is starting to dirty like M$ alreadySep 16 13:44
oiaohmiophk: annoying our own company logo is on them.Sep 16 13:44
oiaohmiophk: yes I forgot what they are when they are not customised with logo.Sep 16 13:45
iophkMaybe inside under the battery it says what it is?  That is if you can afford to turn it off and check.Sep 16 13:45
oiaohmiophk: 200 AUD without custom logo 220 AUD with custom logo.  Under battery will say foxcomm.Sep 16 13:46
oiaohmiophk: and our company name.Sep 16 13:46
oiaohmiophk: the sod is a nice duel sim phone as well.Sep 16 13:47
oiaohmandrid 4.2Sep 16 13:47
oiaohmiophk: I am really interested to see what the phone I have does with Android 4.3 that is may times more power effective.Sep 16 13:59
iophkIsn't 4.3 (jellybean) already out?Sep 16 13:59
iophkHow difficult are the upgrades to do?Sep 16 14:00
oiaohm24 July 2013 is when jellybean was offically released.Sep 16 14:01
oiaohmiophk: hardware makers updates of coruse can be 6 months latter.Sep 16 14:01
iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/jollas-sailfish-gets-android-compatibility-as-it-reopens-sailfish-device-pre-orders-7000020709/Sep 16 14:31
sebsebsebiophk: I got given some old free tech the other weekSep 16 14:32
iophkWhat's it like?Sep 16 14:33
sebsebsebiophk: what's inteersting is that someone else wants the Dbox badlySep 16 14:33
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iophkWhat's a dbox?Sep 16 14:43
sebsebsebiophk: oh some old cable or stable box or somethingSep 16 14:44
sebsebsebwith a Linux distro on itSep 16 14:44
sebsebsebsee wikipediaSep 16 14:44
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sebsebsebiophk:  by the waySep 16 14:50
sebsebseband hi to DaemonFC and MinceR etc toSep 16 14:50
sebsebsebLinuxcon UsSep 16 14:50
sebsebsebthe keynotes are about to start stramingSep 16 14:50
sebsebsebin 10 minutes or soSep 16 14:50
iophkwill there be Ogg files to download afterward?Sep 16 14:51
iophkThere seem to be some barriers to streaming.Sep 16 14:51
sebsebsebiophk: probably something for afterSep 16 14:51
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sebsebseb,but Live streaming is about to startSep 16 14:51
iophkThey've got Linus Torvalds himself on a panel at the end.Sep 16 14:52
sebsebsebiophk: that's todaySep 16 14:52
iophkI though he didn't do conferences any more.Sep 16 14:52
sebsebsebat the beginign yeahSep 16 14:52
sebsebsebiophk: he's coming to LInuxcon  Europe next month toSep 16 14:52
sebsebsebin EdinbrughSep 16 14:53
sebsebseb,but I was going to go to that, but have decided not to go nowSep 16 14:53
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sebsebsebiophk: going to the other event just before it though :)Sep 16 14:53
DaemonFCmorning sebsebseb Sep 16 14:53
sebsebsebgot to get my ticket, but yeahSep 16 14:53
sebsebsebDaemonFC: afternoonSep 16 14:53
*DaemonFC is getting ready to go down to City Ford.Sep 16 14:53
sebsebsebiophk: thing is with someone like Linus ok see them in a talk rigbht great, butSep 16 14:53
DaemonFCI'm going to look at a 2004 Ford Crown Victoria.Sep 16 14:54
iophkI see that M$ BlackDuck is a sponsor.Sep 16 14:54
sebsebsebiophk: would we get to talk to him afterwoulds? no probably notSep 16 14:54
iophkSo is SuseSep 16 14:54
DaemonFCThen MinceR can say that I drive a tank.Sep 16 14:54
sebsebsebiophk: M$ BlackDuck? you don't like BlackDuck ?Sep 16 14:54
iophkIt promotes a M$ agenda and is stocked by M$ people.Sep 16 14:54
DaemonFCThey have one on their lot that seems to be reasonably priced.Sep 16 14:54
sebsebsebfor the Euroepan one got Suse and Samsung and what notSep 16 14:54
DaemonFCI'm hoping I don't get the one that "just needs a little TLC".Sep 16 14:54
sebsebsebiophk: right well I have a feeling going to have some Open Suse at the isntall fest since that guySep 16 14:55
DaemonFCTransmission, Lights, Chassis!Sep 16 14:55
sebsebsebiophk: going to decice on distros and such tommorwSep 16 14:55
DaemonFCB-)Sep 16 14:55
iophkMageia would be a more solid choice.Sep 16 14:55
sebsebsebyes going to have Mageia :)Sep 16 14:55
sebsebseb,but we are probably doing multi distroSep 16 14:55
iophkYou do have to think about the long term welfare of the users.Sep 16 14:55
iophkMultidistro: Ubuntu + MageiaSep 16 14:55
sebsebsebiophk: yeah, but this guy might want Open SuseSep 16 14:55
sebsebsebhe probably does so we'll seeSep 16 14:55
iophkYou'll have to work on him then.Sep 16 14:56
iophkIt's time for him to let Suse goSep 16 14:56
sebsebsebhe's used it for like 10 years or so as wellSep 16 14:56
MinceRDaemonFC: just needs a little 'car'.Sep 16 14:56
sebsebsebOpen SuseSep 16 14:56
iophkall the more reasone for him to move on.Sep 16 14:56
sebsebsebiophk: what's annoying is that LInus etc speak in morning, well if I am to actsauly go :dSep 16 14:57
iophkNew users will be overwhelmed by things you and I are  either used to or ignore.Sep 16 14:57
sebsebsebiophk: to the one next month in Edinbrugh I am not a morning personSep 16 14:57
sebsebsebthis US one is ok though :dSep 16 14:57
sebsebsebit's afternon hereSep 16 14:57
iophkKeeping their choice to one between desktops is important.Sep 16 14:57
sebsebsebnearly 3pm :)Sep 16 14:57
sebsebsebso watching the streaming works well for me :)Sep 16 14:57
sebsebsebiophk: between desktops?  UBuntu for Unity,  Mageia for everything else?Sep 16 14:57
iophkYepSep 16 14:57
DaemonFCMinceR, To Ford's credit, they did make a fuel efficient V8.Sep 16 14:57
sebsebsebyes would make things simplerSep 16 14:58
sebsebseb,but  I'll see what this guy says tommorw etcSep 16 14:58
DaemonFCHow many 4.6 liter V8s get 17/25?Sep 16 14:58
sebsebsebaltough before he was kind of like, any distro will do sort of thingSep 16 14:58
DaemonFCMy V6 doesn't even get that!Sep 16 14:58
iophkIt also allows the staff to streamline installationsSep 16 14:58
sebsebsebwhat do you mean streamline?Sep 16 14:58
iophkless workSep 16 14:58
iophkIf there are a lot of people, things can get chaotic easily. Sep 16 14:58
iophkThe simpler it is to do the installation the less potential for chaos there is.Sep 16 14:59
sebsebsebiophk: yep indeedSep 16 15:00
iophkAnother thing to think of is that you want to show off how easy an installation is. Sep 16 15:00
sebsebsebhence local repo'sSep 16 15:00
iophkthey won't do the installation themselves, of course, but it will help set the mood.Sep 16 15:00
sebsebsebthey will do installation them seles, with help :)Sep 16 15:00
iophkInterestingSep 16 15:01
DaemonFCI'm writing a check to myself because their ATM will charge me a fee.Sep 16 15:01
iophkAre tazers allowed?Sep 16 15:01
sebsebsebiophk: I think ?Sep 16 15:01
DaemonFCI'm on my mom's account at the credit union, but I don't bank there.Sep 16 15:01
DaemonFCSo their ATM will charge me, but cashing a check is free.Sep 16 15:01
DaemonFC:PSep 16 15:01
sebsebsebiophk: I think may get a distros debate tommorwo depends :dSep 16 15:02
sebsebsebiophk: alslo I have to explain about the instals more propelry how they can be done etc probablySep 16 15:02
iophkWill you have a paper brochure explaining the installation steps, so that they know kind of what's going on before they sit down?Sep 16 15:02
sebsebsebiophk: that's an ideaSep 16 15:02
sebsebsebwe could provide something like thatSep 16 15:02
sebsebsebiophk: heh heh maybe I should get them all to come here on IRC tommorow to, so they can chat to you, heh hehSep 16 15:03
iophkWhat kind of hardware can you get in terms of cables and switches?Sep 16 15:06
iophkI'm thinking that most former M$ notebooks and desktops have only 100Mbps ethernet.Sep 16 15:06
sebsebsebok time for LInuxcon US liveSep 16 15:07
iophkSo old stuff should work fine.Sep 16 15:07
sebsebsebwell something came on now :dSep 16 15:07
iophkenjoySep 16 15:07
sebsebsebwell talk isn't on yetSep 16 15:07
sebsebseb,but something to say strema is working yesSep 16 15:07
iophkThe streaming page gives me only a blank form with no labels.  The individual conference items in  the programme don't link to any streaming either.Sep 16 15:09
DaemonFCWell, I'll need to go by the ATM.Sep 16 15:12
DaemonFCI hate her bank. They're always really snotty with me.Sep 16 15:12
DaemonFC"We don't want to do that because the check might bounce."Sep 16 15:13
DaemonFCExcuse me?Sep 16 15:13
DaemonFCLady.Sep 16 15:13
DaemonFCMy checks are good.Sep 16 15:13
DaemonFCMom wonders why I won't bank there.Sep 16 15:13
DaemonFCThey treat me like shit. I'm seriously unimpressed.Sep 16 15:13
sebsebsebiophk: try this isntead then http://www.ustream.tv/LinuxFoundationSep 16 15:18
sebsebsebhttp://www.ustream.tv/LinuxFoundationSep 16 15:18
iophkIt's Flash.  :(Sep 16 15:19
iophkThanks thoughSep 16 15:19
sebsebsebiophk: yeah on ustream it isSep 16 15:19
sebsebsebiophk: site not sureSep 16 15:19
DaemonFCThe only thing wrong I see with this car is there's a small scratch or paint chip missing. On the front grill.Sep 16 15:20
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Crown_Victoria-4dr_Sdn_LX-Columbia_City-IN/2050909453Sep 16 15:20
iophkA "podcast" is not so hard.  Why does the LinuxFoundation have so many hoops to hop through to listen?Sep 16 15:20
DaemonFCI'm still considering it.Sep 16 15:21
DaemonFCI might be able to repair that. They sell paint touch up kits.Sep 16 15:21
DaemonFCI could also ask the salesman if they'd fix it before selling it to me.Sep 16 15:21
DaemonFCThey are a Ford dealer, they do keep touch up paint on hand.Sep 16 15:21
DaemonFC$3,100 is still a good price assuming the car is in good condition.Sep 16 15:22
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iophkhttp://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-exclusive-nsa-spies-on-international-bank-transactions-a-922276.htmlSep 16 15:43
iophkhttp://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/uk-launches-intellectual-property-crime-unit-127180Sep 16 15:57
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iophksebsebseb: For the installfest you'll also want to decide about installing Flash.  I wouldn't have it on any of my machines but some users will "just" want to watch Youtube.  There is the HTML5 test but relatively few videos in HTML5.  But in installing Flash you have to let them know that they are giving up a good portion of the security advantages that come with Linux.Sep 16 16:33
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sebsebsebiophk1: yes indeed codecs need to be installedSep 16 17:09
sebsebseband things like thatSep 16 17:10
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iophkUsers should know that the private codecs are a twoedged sword.Sep 16 17:10
sebsebsebiophk: can say for legal reasons it's not by default or somethingSep 16 17:11
iophkThey're giving up at least as much as they are gaining from using them.  Sep 16 17:11
sebsebseb,but these people won't genearlly care or understandSep 16 17:11
sebsebsebthey jus awnt FLash etc tow orkSep 16 17:11
iophkBut then that should be presented in a way that does not scare themSep 16 17:11
sebsebsebsame for some with WIndows programs, if iworks in Wine greatSep 16 17:11
iophkYes but you can help them make an informed decision.Sep 16 17:11
sebsebsebthey  don't care about nativeSep 16 17:11
sebsebsebiophk: hmm I have just found out that the meeting tommorwoSep 16 17:12
sebsebsebcrashes with the packagers meetingSep 16 17:12
iophkFlash also cedes control over the keyboard input, microphone and camera.Sep 16 17:12
sebsebsebwhich  is about dropping some features maybe if not complete etcSep 16 17:12
sebsebsebI can be on IRC at the pub as well :DSep 16 17:12
sebsebsebon my net bookSep 16 17:12
iophkdrink and type?Sep 16 17:12
sebsebsebsure people bring aong hteir ocmputers all the time to that to the LUG meetingsSep 16 17:12
iophkbetter to leave the netbook homeSep 16 17:12
sebsebsebiophk: no I have taken it quite a few times nowSep 16 17:12
sebsebsebI am just carefulSep 16 17:12
sebsebsebto keep it away from drinksSep 16 17:13
sebsebsebaltough once he nearly spilled all over it when it was in my open bag uhSep 16 17:13
sebsebsebiophk: plus want it along to show them the new welcome screen demo as wellSep 16 17:14
sebsebsebmeans I got to set up my netbook first for that etcSep 16 17:14
sebsebseb,burt yeahSep 16 17:14
iophkI brought a notebook to a pub once, had it out to finish loading some things. People complained, but I was on a tight schedule.Sep 16 17:14
sebsebseboh?Sep 16 17:14
sebsebsebwell here's it's free wifi at that pubSep 16 17:14
sebsebsebpeople bring aong their computers if they wantSep 16 17:14
sebsebsebiophk: might do any notes on the computer to rather than paperSep 16 17:15
sebsebsebI Type much better than I write :)Sep 16 17:15
sebsebsebwriting is so old fashioend, I am a typerSep 16 17:15
sebsebsebgnone shell will let me nicely  switch between Libre Office and my IRC client as well :DSep 16 17:15
sebsebseband suchSep 16 17:15
iophktyping can be faster for words, but sketching is still faster on paperSep 16 17:16
sebsebsebno not sketcing, just adding notes itnot the task list possbily Sep 16 17:16
sebsebseband things ilke thatSep 16 17:16
iophkIf you install Skype on people's machines,  I would beg you to also install Jitsi or Linphone and get people set up with that.Sep 16 17:17
iophkThat gives them an option to escape to open standards and open source.Sep 16 17:18
sebsebsebor Mumble or somethingSep 16 17:18
sebsebsebwe can talk about stuff like that at our meeting tomomrowSep 16 17:18
sebsebseb,but yeah I don't really want to do loasd of SKype installsSep 16 17:18
iophkNo that would be nastySep 16 17:18
sebsebsebindeedSep 16 17:18
sebsebsebiophk: yeah got to set my netbook up later on todaySep 16 17:20
sebsebsebor tommorwo before going realySep 16 17:21
sebsebsebso I have what I want on there etc :)Sep 16 17:21
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DaemonFCI checked out the Crown Victoria.Sep 16 17:44
DaemonFCThe engine was ticking and there was evidence of a bad head gasket.Sep 16 17:45
DaemonFCAnd the Traction Control warning light was on.Sep 16 17:45
DaemonFCSomeone REALLY beat the shit out of that car.Sep 16 17:45
DaemonFCIt looks like, it just doesn't run well, and it would probably take a couple thousand dollars to fix just what I observed.Sep 16 17:45
DaemonFC*looks niceSep 16 17:46
DaemonFCThat's really a shame. If it was in good shape, I'd have bought it on the spot.Sep 16 17:46
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DaemonFCI can't believe they bothered to detail a car that's running that bad.Sep 16 17:46
DaemonFCNobody will buy it except if it goes to auction or they mark it down to about $1,000.Sep 16 17:47
*DaemonFC would buy it at $1,000 because it would leave room for repairs.Sep 16 17:47
DaemonFCPeople who abuse such a fine automobile should be shot.Sep 16 17:48
DaemonFCMinceR, Shouldn't they? :)Sep 16 17:48
DaemonFCSome fucktwit that could barely afford the payments probably got it and drove it around to impress their friends while letting it go to hell/Sep 16 17:49
DaemonFCI'm looking for a deal. I'm just hitting dead ends so far.Sep 16 17:52
DaemonFCThey sold the Sable LS that I wanted to someone else.Sep 16 17:52
DaemonFCThe Crown Vic was fucked by some fucking fuck.Sep 16 17:52
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DaemonFCThe Venture EXT had EVERY warning light on.Sep 16 17:52
DaemonFCTruly awful shape.Sep 16 17:53
DaemonFCThe salesman was nice though. He was the one that came out and told me that they were all in really rough shape. I checked them out anyway. Gave him my number, and told him to call me back if anything reasonable for about $3,000 shows up.Sep 16 17:57
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DaemonFCWhen you have a car salesman telling you that he can't take your money in good conscience for the vehicle you're looking at, you should probably listen.Sep 16 17:59
DaemonFCHe said that he was just going to mark them for sale to an auction. He didn't want their reputation damaged for selling cars like that.Sep 16 18:00
DaemonFCThat's why I don't go to these little car lots that shop auctions.Sep 16 18:01
DaemonFCThey get some really awful stuff that reputable dealers wanted rid of.Sep 16 18:01
DaemonFChttp://images.autotrader.com/scaler/544/408/images/2013/7/1/349/766/32142904914.349766791.IM1.04.565x421_A.562x421.jpgSep 16 18:10
DaemonFCLOLSep 16 18:10
DaemonFCThis car lot in Fort Wayne is selling a car that had the airbag deploy.Sep 16 18:11
hp_mobilehttp://www.libervis.com/article/the-future-of-libervis-comSep 16 18:17
hp_mobile" That's a rough overview of where I'm going with Libervis.com. It will be a gradual development, and it will start with some architectural changes (switching from Drupal to Wordpress, and in the process possibly improving the site's design). The logo will stay the same."Sep 16 18:17
hp_mobileDaniel  used to hang out hereSep 16 18:17
hp_mobile"Libervis.com has been founded in September 2004, almost exactly 9 years ago, as an open source community platform. Since then it has evolved through a number of iterations. We gathered around a small community of Free and Open Source Software enthusiasts and made this a place where we talk about the politics and economics of software development, and later the political and economic implications of technological develoSep 16 18:17
hp_mobilepment and application in general. "Sep 16 18:17
DaemonFChttp://www.bartscarstore.com/web/used/Pontiac-Montana-2003-Columbia-City-IN/7075796/Sep 16 18:19
DaemonFCThat might not be a bad deal.Sep 16 18:20
DaemonFC2003 Pontiac Montana Extended with 100,000 miles for $2,500.Sep 16 18:20
iophkhttp://www.eweek.com/developer/who-writes-linux-in-2013.htmlSep 16 18:27
iophkMaybe Torvalds is spending more time on tougher patches.Sep 16 18:28
MinceRDaemonFC: :shrug:Sep 16 18:33
DaemonFCLOLSep 16 18:37
DaemonFCBart's Car Store.Sep 16 18:37
DaemonFCThey carry some really high priced shitty cars.Sep 16 18:37
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DaemonFCI have the guy looking into a 1999 Mercury Villager for me.Sep 16 20:09
DaemonFCI normally wouldn't even consider it, but it's very low mileage.Sep 16 20:09
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DaemonFCFound another Crown VicSep 16 20:38
DaemonFCA 1998 with 45,000 miles!Sep 16 20:38
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DaemonFCHe said that a couple of windows won't roll down and the air conditioner doesn't work.Sep 16 20:53
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DaemonFCOther than that, the car appears to be in excellent condition.Sep 16 20:53
DaemonFCThey lowered the asking price to $2,995.Sep 16 20:54
DaemonFCIt's probably worth it.Sep 16 20:54
DaemonFCWe're going into winter anyway, so the A/C won't be a big deal for several months.Sep 16 20:54
DaemonFCIt's probably the compressor.Sep 16 20:54
DaemonFCI'm guessing $800-900 to replace that.Sep 16 20:54
DaemonFCMaybe a few hundred each if the window motors are bad.Sep 16 20:55
DaemonFCIf that's where the problems end, $2995 is more than fair.Sep 16 20:55
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DaemonFCIf I can get that Vic, I'll buy it.Sep 16 20:57
DaemonFCI'll wait a while and then take it to a Ford dealer and have them fix the A/C and the windows.Sep 16 20:57
DaemonFCI'd be willing to go in $5,000 to have a Vic with low mileage and perfect exterior/interior.Sep 16 20:59
DaemonFCIt's down in Muncie.Sep 16 21:02
DaemonFCI could probably pester my mom to give me a ride down there on Thursday.Sep 16 21:02
DaemonFCI could drive myself but then I'd have no way of bringing my Taurus back.Sep 16 21:03
DaemonFCMinceR, I want a car that can run over clowns and total trains all day.Sep 16 21:03
DaemonFCAnd I think that this might be the car for me. B-)Sep 16 21:04
MinceR:>Sep 16 21:04
DaemonFCYou should get a Vic and import it to Hungaristan.Sep 16 21:04
DaemonFCI guarantee people there will get out of your way. :)Sep 16 21:04
DaemonFCOMG!!!Sep 16 21:07
DaemonFCIt's all leather!Sep 16 21:07
DaemonFCEven the steering wheel!Sep 16 21:07
MinceRi think i'd get better mileage out of a Land CruiserSep 16 21:07
DaemonFCThat is a nice car.Sep 16 21:08
DaemonFChttp://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2013/9/10/354/493/33163755788.354493580.IM1.05.565x421_A.562x421.jpgSep 16 21:08
MinceRalso, i'm not sure how the Vic would handle what our government calls "roads"Sep 16 21:08
DaemonFChttp://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2013/9/10/354/493/33163755784.354493580.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jpgSep 16 21:08
DaemonFChttp://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2013/9/10/354/493/33163755786.354493580.IM1.03.565x421_A.562x421.jpgSep 16 21:08
DaemonFChttp://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2013/9/10/354/493/33163755789.354493580.IM1.06.565x421_A.562x421.jpgSep 16 21:09
DaemonFChttp://www.autotrader.com/fyc/img_popup.jsp?car_id=354493580&photoIndex=8Sep 16 21:09
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DaemonFCoopsSep 16 21:09
DaemonFChttp://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2013/9/10/354/493/33163755792.354493580.IM1.09.565x421_A.562x421.jpgSep 16 21:10
DaemonFCThat's a sharp full size sedan.Sep 16 21:10
DaemonFCNo rust, no dings, no scratches. Perfect interior.Sep 16 21:10
DaemonFCIt looks like it could have rolled out of the factory yesterday.Sep 16 21:10
DaemonFCIf it runs as good as it looks, I'd do $3,000.Sep 16 21:11
DaemonFCThere's a lot of used Crown Vic cop cars for sale.Sep 16 21:13
DaemonFCThey have that thing mounted on the front that they use to ram other cars with.Sep 16 21:14
DaemonFCThey have better shocks and suspension.Sep 16 21:14
DaemonFCBetter rims.Sep 16 21:14
DaemonFCThe only problem I'd have is that that they get some serious abuse.Sep 16 21:15
MinceR:)Sep 16 21:15
DaemonFCI'd rather have the one that the little old lady in Florida put 40-some thousand miles on.Sep 16 21:17
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DaemonFCCarfax says this car was in Florida until 2010.Sep 16 21:17
DaemonFCThat probably explains the condition it's in.Sep 16 21:17
DaemonFCIndiana winters are hard on cars.Sep 16 21:17
tessierAny opinions on these three banner ads I've just had whipped up? I feel they could be improved but I'm not sure how. http://imgur.com/a/DlmwGSep 16 21:18
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DaemonFCMinceR, From what I've been reading, the "window won't go down" is a common problem on those cars.Sep 16 21:20
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DaemonFCMost people report that if you hold down the button and slam the car door, it'll work again.Sep 16 21:20
DaemonFCThere's a part in the door that can get dirty and doing that will fix it for a while.Sep 16 21:21
DaemonFC:PSep 16 21:21
DaemonFCMinceR, If your roads are comparable to what my mom described in France, you'd probably have a hard time driving my Ford Taurus down one of them.Sep 16 21:23
DaemonFCI was at Walmart to get an oil change for the Taurus today. The guy at the counter was really rude to me.Sep 16 21:23
DaemonFC"So, you want the 5w20, right?"Sep 16 21:23
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DaemonFCMe: "In a 1995 Taurus SHO? No! That will ruin my engine! That's what you put in little 1 liter 4 cylinder engines."Sep 16 21:24
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DaemonFC"Well! I use it in my 4.6 V8!"Sep 16 21:24
_GoblinHello DaemonFC ......long time no type.Sep 16 21:24
DaemonFCMe: "Well, you keep using that in YOUR car!"Sep 16 21:24
DaemonFC:PSep 16 21:24
MinceRiirc the Vic also has poorer handling than the cars i'm used to :>Sep 16 21:24
DaemonFCMinceR, Probably because it's RWD.Sep 16 21:25
MinceRyeah, that's part of itSep 16 21:25
DaemonFCIt's hard to sell them in today's economy.Sep 16 21:25
MinceRi remember mentions of all sorts of add-on packages that tried to make handling better :>Sep 16 21:25
DaemonFCPeople don't want a gas guzzler that's RWD.Sep 16 21:25
MinceRwell, i prefer AWDSep 16 21:25
DaemonFCSo the price of the cars on the market becomes very reasonable.Sep 16 21:25
DaemonFCI don't drive much.Sep 16 21:25
DaemonFCMaybe 5,000-6,000 miles per year.Sep 16 21:25
DaemonFCMinceR, The gas prices have gotten so bad that car dealers won't even take SUVs in trade anymore.Sep 16 21:27
DaemonFCThey can't find people that want to buy them, so people who bought them when gas was cheap are more or less stuck with them.Sep 16 21:28
DaemonFCUnless they practically give it away.Sep 16 21:28
DaemonFCThere's lots of SUVs on the market at really low prices right now.Sep 16 21:28
_GoblinSort of off topic a little but the new Hyundai's are very good value, reasonable cars.Sep 16 21:32
_Goblinnow thats a company which has changed its image in a very short space of time.Sep 16 21:32
DaemonFCYeah, but my credit stinks because of medical bills.Sep 16 21:37
DaemonFCSo nobody will talk to me.Sep 16 21:37
DaemonFCSo I'm kind of limited to cash on hand and maybe put a little on the credit card.Sep 16 21:37
DaemonFCConsidering what I've got to work with, a $2995 deal on a Crown Vic is a pretty good option.Sep 16 21:37
DaemonFCThe guy said that we could meet to discuss the sale on Wednesday.Sep 16 21:38
DaemonFCI'm going to call him back and ask him if Thursday would be alright.Sep 16 21:38
DaemonFCThat's when I can get a ride down there.Sep 16 21:39
MinceRhyundai "engineer"s are stupid enough to put m$ software in their rolling death trapsSep 16 21:41
DaemonFCMinceR, All the more reason to go with a 98 Crown Vic.Sep 16 21:41
MinceRso are ford "engineer"sSep 16 21:42
DaemonFCNo chance it has spyware/malware with remote access through a satellite.Sep 16 21:42
MinceRthough its possible than back in 1998, they had some idea of how to build a reliable system :>Sep 16 21:42
DaemonFCMinceR, The stuff that GM and Ford made in the 90s was just better.Sep 16 21:43
DaemonFCEven their low end cars now have mandatory spyware that you have to pay extra for even if you don't want it.Sep 16 21:45
DaemonFCMinceR, Back in 2004, when I had a good job and great credit, I had 0% APR offers from Ford and GM!Sep 16 21:48
DaemonFCSo I went car shopping. Should have bought one. Then I'd be driving an '04 instead of a banged up '95 that's leaking something else every week.Sep 16 21:48
DaemonFCThe salesman was pitching Onstar, which was optional.Sep 16 21:48
DaemonFCTold him I didn't need it and that I'd like to leave that option out to save the $600.Sep 16 21:49
DaemonFCHe went back to telling me why I did need it.Sep 16 21:49
DaemonFCI told him I've made it around in about a dozen different states with a map I bought for $3 at Walmart.Sep 16 21:49
MinceR:>Sep 16 21:51
DaemonFCMinceR, How can people who are too stupid to read a map buy a $30,000 car?Sep 16 21:52
MinceReasily.Sep 16 21:53
MinceRthey buy crApple products with the same ease.Sep 16 21:53
DaemonFCI need to get a lot dumber.Sep 16 21:54
DaemonFCMinceR, Hit me over the head with something a few times.Sep 16 21:54
DaemonFCWhen I come to, I can buy a new Lincoln.Sep 16 21:54
DaemonFC:PSep 16 21:54
DaemonFCYeah, I'm definitely buying that 98 Vic off that guy.Sep 16 21:57
DaemonFC$2995 is more than fair.Sep 16 21:57
DaemonFCI'll kick the tires and drive it down the highway for a few minutes, but I think it's probably safe to say I'll buy it.Sep 16 21:57
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