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| sebsebseb | hi | Aug 25 00:20 |
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| MinceR | hay | Aug 25 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh your on | Aug 25 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I had a good day :) | Aug 25 00:24 |
| MinceR | am i? | Aug 25 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | Linux User Group meeting :) | Aug 25 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | more people than normal, and new people etc :) | Aug 25 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Aug 25 00:24 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 25 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: may do a install fest of some srot next year to for that :) | Aug 25 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | to go with the XP going end of life basicaly ,but before that | Aug 25 00:25 |
| MinceR | nice | Aug 25 00:25 |
| JimmyCarter | i want to install linux but scared ill actually want windows back | Aug 25 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: oh? | Aug 25 00:25 |
| JimmyCarter | on my gaming PC | Aug 25 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ,but it's a bit debatel what distro, who to target it to, how to market it etc | Aug 25 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: dual boot with WIndows :) | Aug 25 00:25 |
| MinceR | JimmyCarter: vista/8 will help with that :> | Aug 25 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: have boht | Aug 25 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | both | Aug 25 00:25 |
| MinceR | and yes, dual boot helps with gaming | Aug 25 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: older guy wants people to hand in spare USB's | Aug 25 00:26 |
| MinceR | usbs? | Aug 25 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ,but in Feburayr I should be able to get a load of Mageia 4 discs at FOSDEM i guess | Aug 25 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | and stickers and such :) | Aug 25 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | yes spare USB sticks | Aug 25 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | to put distros on that's his idea | Aug 25 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | for an install fest | Aug 25 00:26 |
| MinceR | ic | Aug 25 00:26 |
| JimmyCarter | yeah dualboot would be more effort. i could start out by using an external hd or something | Aug 25 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I think get offical Mageia stuff :) | Aug 25 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | maybe get some Ubuntu dscs fomr some wehre even, as someone suggested | Aug 25 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: no no trust me setting up a dual boot isnt' that dififcult :) | Aug 25 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: with some help, if your not that sure about partitiing | Aug 25 00:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, multiple HDD dual boot would probably be safer | Aug 25 00:27 |
| JimmyCarter | but i think ill probably just stay with windows or install linux over windows with no way to get back | Aug 25 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: have you noticed that peopel coming here for support sometimes recently? | Aug 25 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | this by the latest guy then | Aug 25 00:27 |
| MinceR | keeps winblows from screwing up your bootloader and overwriting your data | Aug 25 00:27 |
| MinceR | i guess so | Aug 25 00:27 |
| JimmyCarter | if i actuallyget higher fps in linux it would be huge victory | Aug 25 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: no you will want to dual boot with WIndows | Aug 25 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: there will be certain games etc, that wont' realy wrok wtih Linux you see | Aug 25 00:27 |
| MinceR | with some games you probably will | Aug 25 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: set up a dual boot :) and put the distro on as default :) | Aug 25 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | default boot | Aug 25 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: or try some Live CD's and see if you like those distros like that | Aug 25 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | then isntall for real ideally :) | Aug 25 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | or do some virtual machines inside WIndows, but really that's good for trying, but you still need to put on for real, for a proper Linux expereince :) | Aug 25 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: http://virtuabox.org | Aug 25 00:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | searchresultsguide.com | NO TITLE | Aug 25 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | http://virtualbox.org | Aug 25 00:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.virtualbox.org | Oracle VM VirtualBox | Aug 25 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | http://mageia.org :) | Aug 25 00:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mageia.org | Home of the Mageia project | Aug 25 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | http://distrowatch.com | Aug 25 00:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Aug 25 00:29 |
| MinceR | http://crunchbang.org/ | Aug 25 00:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | crunchbang.org | CrunchBang - a nimble Openbox Linux Distro | Aug 25 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: oh and maybe this one to then :D http://linuxmint.com | Aug 25 00:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxmint.com | Main Page - Linux Mint | Aug 25 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: crunchbang for a newbie such as JimmyCarter no I don't think so :d | Aug 25 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: a few links to get you started above ^ | Aug 25 00:30 |
| MinceR | why not? | Aug 25 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | since it has a strange GUI ? | Aug 25 00:30 |
| MinceR | i've already introduced it to a newbie and he liked it | Aug 25 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | compared to what people normally use ? | Aug 25 00:30 |
| MinceR | i didn't find it to be strange :) | Aug 25 00:30 |
| MinceR | besides, one can install multiple DEs and WMs there all the same | Aug 25 00:31 |
| JimmyCarter | i think steam is only officially supported on ubuntu | Aug 25 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: wrong | Aug 25 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: actusaly well yes only offically supported on Ubuntu | Aug 25 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | however | Aug 25 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | many other distros can run it now as well :) | Aug 25 00:32 |
| MinceR | it will probably work on many other distros | Aug 25 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | and easily from tehir repo's :) so Mageia etc :) | Aug 25 00:32 |
| MinceR | distros that will probably give you a better experience than ubuntu could | Aug 25 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: so Steam isn't a issue | Aug 25 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: take Magiea for eaxmle its' in the resporitires as of Mageia 3 :) | Aug 25 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | yep you can run Steam in most distros now :) | Aug 25 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | not just Ubuntu or distros based on it | Aug 25 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | just yes offically Steam only really support Ubuntu, however that doesn't matter, since how Steam is done on Linux :) | Aug 25 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: it's packaged up into something for easy install into many distros, by packagers :) | Aug 25 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | and gets tested etc | Aug 25 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | so Steam is not a issue :) | Aug 25 00:34 |
| JimmyCarter | why do you guys like other distros better than ubuntu? | Aug 25 00:35 |
| JimmyCarter | well trodden path seems prudent to me | Aug 25 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: I used to use UBuntu for years as my choosen dsitro, startd off with Fedora Core 2 and 4 in 2004 though :) | Aug 25 00:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | when I started using Gentoo, I don't think Ubuntu existed. :) | Aug 25 00:36 |
| MinceR | because they're more reliable and don't push stuff i don't like so much | Aug 25 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: ,but from the second release in 2005 untill some time in 2009 I was a happy Ubuntu User | Aug 25 00:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | but Gentoo has more sophistication in package management anyway. | Aug 25 00:36 |
| MinceR | i don't like the direction ubuntu took a while ago, so i looked for other distros | Aug 25 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: in 2009 it was the start of Ubuntu going in a direction that many ways I did not like, you can hear a pod cast episode form September 2011 where I discuss this and LInux in general and so on, if your interestd, it's rather long though | Aug 25 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: some people hate/dislike Ubuntu, because of the Unity interface, I don't really dislike Ubuntu, because of that, it's what came before the Unity interface, that made me move more away from it | Aug 25 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: changing GNOME 2 doing stuff I didn't want, the former interface, putting in features, that removed features that should have been there, and things like that, but those same features in Unity is ok | Aug 25 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Unity is a diffenret interface, not some changes to GNOME 2 that uh | Aug 25 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | also other things I didn't liike about Ubuntu much to such as branding since 10.04 and so on, but yeah | Aug 25 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: also it's a product | Aug 25 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | it's got a for profit company behind it | Aug 25 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | it's a product not a project really | Aug 25 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | the distribution I Use and acstauly contribute to a bit here and there, is a project :) what's more it's a 100% community distribution, only volunteers :) | Aug 25 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | basically :) | Aug 25 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | no for profit companies behind it, dictating the direction of it etc | Aug 25 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: it's all personal choice, but Ubuntu is a load of hype really as well, and always has been | Aug 25 00:39 |
| JimmyCarter | what alternatives to unity do people prefer? | Aug 25 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: welll really Unity was going to be for net books only | Aug 25 00:40 |
| MinceR | XFCE, OpenBox | Aug 25 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | back with Ubuntu 10.10 | Aug 25 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | October 2010 release | Aug 25 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | that being the first Ubuntu release with Unity, and made for netbooks | Aug 25 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | however could also run that UNity on a desktop computer etc to if wanted | Aug 25 00:41 |
| MinceR | and many others | Aug 25 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: however then they decided to go woti Unity for the desktop and so on to | Aug 25 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | instead of using the GNOME Shell interface of GNOME 3 | Aug 25 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | http://gnome3.org | Aug 25 00:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnome.org | GNOME 3 | GNOME | Aug 25 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | http://gnome.org | Aug 25 00:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnome.org | GNOME | Aug 25 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: GNOME and KDE being the two biggest players for many many many years, when it comes to interfaces, but also graphical programs for Desktop LInux | Aug 25 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | http://kde.org | Aug 25 00:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | kde.org | KDE - Experience Freedom! | Aug 25 00:42 |
| MinceR | http://xfce.org/ | Aug 25 00:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | xfce.org | Xfce Desktop Environment | Aug 25 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | GNOME and KDE are proper upstream projects, so are LXDE and XFCE and so on to | Aug 25 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | XFCE and LXDE being the two most popular interfaces after GNOME and KDE | Aug 25 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | http://xde.org | Aug 25 00:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | xde.org | xde.org | Aug 25 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | uh that's wrong | Aug 25 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | ,but sure there's xde I guess as well | Aug 25 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | http://lxde.org | Aug 25 00:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lxde.org | LXDE.org | Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment | Aug 25 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: most distributions take upstream projects, and put them together | Aug 25 00:43 |
| MinceR | no, xde.org is just a domain squatter site | Aug 25 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: and do branding changes here and there, and some other things here and there | Aug 25 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: Ubuntu are going in certina ways in more their own diretion, ignoring upstream and doing their own thing | Aug 25 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | distributions being down streame | Aug 25 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | to confuse things distributiosn can become upsteram to or the companies behind them, so Canonical with Unity for example | Aug 25 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: a good example would be how most distribtuiosn are soon to replace Xorg used as the graphical server, for the interfaces etc, with Wayland | Aug 25 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Ubuntu will be using Mir instead their own display server, where as pretyt much every toher distro will use Wayland | Aug 25 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | and Wayland being started by the developers of Xorg as well, a project that is like over 30 years old | Aug 25 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | since Unix used it to | Aug 25 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: so if you want to tread the well trodden path well then for distributiosn it's, Xorg being replaced wity Wayland, not Xorg being replaced with Mir | Aug 25 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | and Mir will be like Unity, a Ubuntu only thing or pretyt much, probably | Aug 25 00:46 |
| MinceR | mir being based on surfaceflinger interests me, though | Aug 25 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: at times they do things that annoy the upstream developers of pr oject,s such as GNOME, or XOrg, or whatever it is at the time | Aug 25 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | rather than callaborating with them, they do their own thing at times | Aug 25 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes doing their own thing isn't so bad, but at times, it's hmm | Aug 25 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | depends | Aug 25 00:47 |
| JimmyCarter | cool thanks for info | Aug 25 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: they apparnatly want to take Linux to the main stremae or I should say Ubuntu | Aug 25 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | and they generally don't mind annoying loads of other developers whilst they are at it | Aug 25 00:47 |
| MinceR | they don't say the L word :> | Aug 25 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | of of projects they have been using etc | Aug 25 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: and also like Android they don't have the Linux in the name | Aug 25 00:48 |
| MinceR | they also praise m$ and crApple while attacking other GNU/Linux distributions | Aug 25 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | Android has a LInux kernel in it as well | Aug 25 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | however Android does not have GNU | Aug 25 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | http://gnu.org | Aug 25 00:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnu.org | The GNU Operating System | Aug 25 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | go to the philseopy section if you watn to read interesting articles about what all this kind of stuff is really about to :) | Aug 25 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Aug 25 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | I mean free software, free as in software freedom! | Aug 25 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: with the distribution I contribute to here and there | Aug 25 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: I get a say | Aug 25 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Aug 25 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | and there's no dictater | Aug 25 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | the community decides :) | Aug 25 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | on the direction of it etc | Aug 25 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | with Ubuntu Canonical decide! | Aug 25 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: and can go to events and meet people from the distros, as a mere user, or some kind of contributer, and well get treated like someone from that distro :), there isn't some oh I am better than you, because I do this, and you only do this, in general :) | Aug 25 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: how did you find this channel of interest? :) | Aug 25 00:52 |
| MinceR | gn | Aug 25 01:04 |
| JimmyCarter | i found this channel by searching the freenode bot for channels with wikileaks in their topic | Aug 25 01:13 |
| JimmyCarter | shortly after joining schestowitz comments confirmed good chan to idle in :) | Aug 25 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: what did schestowitz say? | Aug 25 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: and he'so bbssed about stuff like that :d | Aug 25 01:15 |
| JimmyCarter | don't recall comment, probably something about decline of privacy / rule of law | Aug 25 01:16 |
| JimmyCarter | bbss? | Aug 25 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: you shold probably listen to Techbytes, but yeah I guess starting with the episode I was a speical guest on, with him :d | Aug 25 01:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | obsessed* | Aug 25 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: yep that | Aug 25 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: plus you find out about my Ubuntu opinos at the time a bit and such if you do that :d | Aug 25 01:18 |
| JimmyCarter | ill check it out sebsebseb, what's the link? | Aug 25 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: then got another nice podcast episode, a Mageia speical :d done on another pod cast iwth a former co host of Techbytes | Aug 25 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this one you should listen to first with schestowitz | Aug 25 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | it's rather long though including the music, but well worth the listen :) | Aug 25 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | talked about a lot | Aug 25 01:18 |
| JimmyCarter | i listen to a lot of podcasts | Aug 25 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | before I joined any Magiea teams to | Aug 25 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: ok well how about 3 hours and 20 minutes or so episode then :d | Aug 25 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | including the music | Aug 25 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | me and schestowitz ? | Aug 25 01:19 |
| JimmyCarter | wow thats decent | Aug 25 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | he asked me if I wanted to cut it down after | Aug 25 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | and I was like NO! | Aug 25 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Aug 25 01:19 |
| JimmyCarter | maybe you should edit them | Aug 25 01:19 |
| JimmyCarter | hah | Aug 25 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | I took the oppertunity to be on there and yeah :) | Aug 25 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | first time podcassting acstualy | Aug 25 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | and I knew I woudn't be on there again for probably quite a long time if at all realy so yeah | Aug 25 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | http://techrights.org/2011/09/24/techbytes-episode-61/ | Aug 25 01:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | TechBytes Episode 61: Sebastian on Mageia and the GNU/Linux Desktop | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/56ysm ] | Aug 25 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: from September 2011, but still good to listen to for sure :) | Aug 25 01:22 |
| JimmyCarter | cool. will check it | Aug 25 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | good :) | Aug 25 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | going to liten to it now? :) | Aug 25 01:24 |
| JimmyCarter | just started pilot of breaking bad. but probably tonight | Aug 25 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | ok nice :) | Aug 25 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | well wehn your done with that one and told me whaty ou thought etc | Aug 25 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | I'll link you to another one with me as well :d | Aug 25 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | the Mageia speical | Aug 25 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: oh it's the 25th here now | Aug 25 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but so it's basically just over two years old then! | Aug 25 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | oh wait no | Aug 25 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | it's August :d | Aug 25 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | not September yet | Aug 25 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah the 24th August it was | Aug 25 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | 2013 | Aug 25 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | 25th here now | Aug 25 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | 24th for you still I think | Aug 25 01:28 |
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| iophk | "Mayer’s lateness was a pain, sure. But by the early fall of 2012, Mayer’s staff had grown used to it. In fact, they were actually glad when she’d show up late to a meeting, because that meant at least she hadn’t blown it off entirely." | Aug 25 09:06 |
| iophk | http://www.businessinsider.com/marissa-mayer-biography-2013-8?op=1 | Aug 25 09:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.businessinsider.com | Marissa Mayer Biography - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/f7lwx ] | Aug 25 09:06 |
| iophk | Icahn gutted Yahoo for M$ so there's not much for her to try to save. | Aug 25 09:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/371478656213737472 | Aug 25 09:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @CandidCanon: @TechRights Take on the GAO Troll Report: http://t.co/eQd8z1kcwr @schestowitz | Aug 25 09:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | US Government Accountability Office Refutes White House on Patent Reform, Identifies Software Patents — Not Trolls — as the Key Issue | Techrights | Aug 25 09:11 |
| schestowitz | iophk: bio? | Aug 25 09:11 |
| schestowitz | I though she did for a moment | Aug 25 09:12 |
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| iophk | Should software freedom extend also to macro commands or macro programming? Lots of reviews complain about LibreOffice's macros but all of those that do fail to notice that LibreOffice can do javascript or python. Both are Free languages and commonly known. | Aug 25 09:25 |
| iophk | https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Scripting | Aug 25 09:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | help.libreoffice.org | Scripting LibreOffice - LibreOffice Help [ http://ur1.ca/f7m3x ] | Aug 25 09:27 |
| iophk | an M$ apologist : http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/24/microsofts-russian-bribery-problem-is-that-in-some-places-bribery-is-endemic/ | Aug 25 09:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Microsoft's Russian Bribery Problem Is That In Some Places Bribery Is Endemic - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/f7m7p ] | Aug 25 09:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CDSRV/status/371557469278851073 | Aug 25 10:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @CDSRV: @schestowitz : And a few juicy stock tips on the side, just for fun @BloombergNews | Aug 25 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Makes as much sense as Trump News, or Ballmer News | Aug 25 10:06 |
| schestowitz | http://24.media.tumblr.com/727da9d4f94aaf8eb1d9bcd56f75207a/tumblr_mrygltgOQg1s2f2o7o1_500.jpg | Aug 25 10:40 |
| schestowitz | https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_f59b0b45f7e22b9f8e0b.png | Aug 25 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | Iran has no nuclear weapons. The yellow sign is misplaced. It should be in Dimona. | Aug 25 10:46 |
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| iophk | http://www.vanunu.com/uscampaign/photos.html | Aug 25 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.vanunu.com | Untitled Document [ http://ur1.ca/f7mw3 ] | Aug 25 10:47 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/19/mordechai-vanunu-suffering-israel | Aug 25 10:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Letters: Mordechai Vanunu's suffering | World news | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/f7mwh ] | Aug 25 10:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/371579109966508032 | Aug 25 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @AntiSoftwarePat: @schestowitz Adobe must be sick of Patent Trolls by this stage #Adobe #Photoshop #Patent #Troll | Aug 25 11:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2985258 | Aug 25 11:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @vladze@diasp.org: | Aug 25 11:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by vladze@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_f59b0b45f7e22b9f8e0b.png | Aug 25 11:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by vladze@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_f59b0b45f7e22b9f8e0b.png | Aug 25 11:34 |
| schestowitz | "Sure ,because Israel wants to destroy other countries and say its every time, because Israel threaten all other countries! Having a nuclear power does not caused for that! Have you some doubt if Iran will use the nuclear weapon? The country , that supports terror all over!!! Also you can comment other countries, sure it is Israel! so bad Jews they make problems! :)" | Aug 25 11:34 |
| schestowitz | I waSs just commenting on the accuracy of this map. Moreover, some of those inner conflicts are fuelled by the Israeli allies, or the CIA | Aug 25 11:35 |
| JimmyCarter | imma become algo trader. if you cant beat em join em. | Aug 25 12:39 |
| JimmyCarter | i used to love playing Tradewars2002 with TWHELPER.EXE an automated trading platform | Aug 25 12:40 |
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| iophk | http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/trade-mordechai-vanunu-jonathan-pollard | Aug 25 12:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cato.org | Trade Mordechai Vanunu for Jonathan Pollard | Cato Institute [ http://ur1.ca/f7oop ] | Aug 25 12:55 |
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| cubezzz | seems like fics was hacked | Aug 25 15:16 |
| iophk | http://www.freechess.org/ | Aug 25 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.freechess.org | www.freechess.org | Aug 25 15:18 |
| cubezzz | head admin account was compromised | Aug 25 15:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | :[ | Aug 25 15:23 |
| iophk | http://www.infowars.com/snowden-uk-government-is-now-intentionally-leaking-harmful-information-to-blame-whistleblowers/ | Aug 25 15:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infowars.com | » Snowden: UK Government Intentionally Leaking Harmful Information To Blame Whistleblowers Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! [ http://ur1.ca/f7qx4 ] | Aug 25 15:25 |
| iophk | “I have never spoken with, worked with, or provided any journalistic materials to the Independent.” | Aug 25 15:25 |
| cubezzz | I think the backup server at 97.93.2.138 is working though | Aug 25 15:25 |
| cubezzz | yup, it's working | Aug 25 15:26 |
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| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/23/uk-government-independent-military-base | Aug 25 15:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Snowden: UK government now leaking documents about itself | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/f6e2g ] | Aug 25 15:51 |
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| Bustychettocks | Royston hello? | Aug 25 18:53 |
| Bustychettocks | Did you get back ok? | Aug 25 18:53 |
| Bustychettocks | hi roy, whats happening? | Aug 25 18:55 |
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| Christablel | anybody home | Aug 25 19:02 |
| Christablel | techrights has died | Aug 25 19:26 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Aug 25 19:33 |
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| Christablel | no roy? | Aug 25 20:16 |
| Christablel | whatabout the pdf's we talked about? | Aug 25 20:16 |
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| sebsebseb | wb dyfet I guess | Aug 25 22:43 |
| dyfet | thanks | Aug 25 22:43 |
| dyfet | I think ;) | Aug 25 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | dyfet: yes rembmered the name I Think | Aug 25 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | not so much the person | Aug 25 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | if at all realy | Aug 25 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the name sure | Aug 25 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Aug 25 22:45 |
| dyfet | well, I advocate for free software & communication privacy | Aug 25 22:46 |
| dyfet | and develop secure voip | Aug 25 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | dyfet: yep I remember that you were all into free software | Aug 25 22:47 |
| schestowitz | I use secure VOIP all the time | Aug 25 22:51 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the hard work, dyfet | Aug 25 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Secure voip and OTR conversations are more secure than landline, cellphone, email, SMS, etc. | Aug 25 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: no no you used Skype from what I remember | Aug 25 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | not even Mumble | Aug 25 22:52 |
| dyfet | We need to continue to make these things easy to use and help people recover their privacy & liberty | Aug 25 22:52 |
| schestowitz | won't be long before another carpet gets pulled to suppress use of secure SIP with enc | Aug 25 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Tor is under attack ATM | Aug 25 22:52 |
| schestowitz | !google bans use of ip evade block | Aug 25 22:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Wikipedia:Blocking policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy | Aug 25 22:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Wikipedia:Banning policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy | Aug 25 22:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Judge: Evading IP Ban Violates Anti-Hacking Laws | DSLReports ... | http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Judge-Evading-IP-Ban-Violates-AntiHacking-Laws-125441 | Aug 25 22:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Company Using Proxy To Evade Craigslist Block Violated CFAA ... | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/08/20/0336204/company-using-proxy-to-evade-craigslist-block-violated-cfaa | Aug 25 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and more UK Internet censorship coming in 2014 it seems | Aug 25 22:52 |
| schestowitz | see [3] | Aug 25 22:52 |
| schestowitz | anti-Tor precedent | Aug 25 22:52 |
| dyfet | yes, tor is under attack | Aug 25 22:53 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: we get the best of China | Aug 25 22:53 |
| schestowitz | containers full of policies, censorship boxes from Huweai, and Xmas gifts aplenty | Aug 25 22:53 |
| schestowitz | They 'own' us, and they generally feel this way | Aug 25 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Snowden's laptop donned a Tor sticker, it's already getting to be a dirty word.... as if Tor means trouble for companies | Aug 25 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Tor was used in 2009 to DDOS teachrithts actually | Aug 25 22:54 |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 25 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I see some friends of mine (IRL) came here earlier to tease and taunt in public.. | Aug 25 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Aug 25 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the PDF thing etc you mean? | Aug 25 22:55 |
| dyfet | tor is largely effective at doing what it was intended to do, which is break surviellence, so yes, they will make it a "public enemy" | Aug 25 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | dyfet: yeah and proxies and VPN's etc will become illegal to, unless they have control over it some how | Aug 25 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | and so much of the web will be blocked by default | Aug 25 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | that it will be like loads of shopping sites | Aug 25 22:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | think of the children! | Aug 25 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | and dumbed dwown Wikipedia and that's about it | Aug 25 22:57 |
| dyfet | well, I gather Microsoft's vpn's, at least, are backdoored, and have defective encryption, so I suppose those will continue ;) | Aug 25 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | and all, becaus eof the children yeah | Aug 25 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | and freedom of speech like is done here in #techrights a lot and on podcasts Linux ones etc | Aug 25 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | no no that will be illegal to | Aug 25 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | not alloweed to say certain things online etc etc | Aug 25 22:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: your mother is a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries! | Aug 25 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | oh and if you think your chatting to a kid online well then your not alloweed to talk to them, unless you have parentrol permission or something | Aug 25 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | and that will be the new Internet | Aug 25 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | of the future! | Aug 25 22:59 |
| dyfet | well, the surest way to loose the Internet is to accept defeat... | Aug 25 22:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | I, for one, welcome our new billionaire overlords. Oh wait, welcome our old billionaire overlords... | Aug 25 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh and if you chat bad about polotiosns online, you go to prisiohn maybe to for it depends | Aug 25 23:00 |
| dyfet | What they want is either silence or violence...that is how all thugs operate | Aug 25 23:00 |
| dyfet | We need to make sure to give them neither | Aug 25 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | in fact under the new Internet laws and rules | Aug 25 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | http://techrights.org will brake so many laws | Aug 25 23:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Main Page - Techrights | Aug 25 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | that it gets blocked by ISP's by default | Aug 25 23:02 |
| MinceR | depends on jurisdiction | Aug 25 23:02 |
| MinceR | though it might need to move off .org :> | Aug 25 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | and schestowitz might go to prision under new laws, becasue of his many articles etc etc | Aug 25 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | oh and no writing bad about big companies such as Microsoft, Google, or Apple, totally illegal to put that online, under new laws! | Aug 25 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | oh and quite a lot of open source / free software will be seen as a threat, so yeah they will say certain stuff is illegal | Aug 25 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | Tor of course would be one of those things | Aug 25 23:04 |
| dyfet | retroactive laws as well as other forms of due process abuse seem plausable too. | Aug 25 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | oh and torrents forget torrents | Aug 25 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | there won't be any oh torrents are ok, because can download legal stuff to | Aug 25 23:04 |
| dyfet | I should note that AETA for the first time defined in the US that interfering with the profit-making ability of a pvt enterprise as terrorism | Aug 25 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | it will just be torrents NO NO used to much for piracy, now illegal | Aug 25 23:04 |
| dyfet | So that is not a theoretical possibility | Aug 25 23:05 |
| MinceR | what's AETA? | Aug 25 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | they will reolise it takes to much effort to monitor torrents and what people are actsauly downloading, and so they will just ban torrents completly, make it illegal | Aug 25 23:05 |
| dyfet | Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act | Aug 25 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | oh and downloading in fact might get so bad when it comes to this, that only alloweed to download from trusted govermetn run servers and such, forget the whole nearly anyone can have a FTP or HTTP download of this and that, NO NO | Aug 25 23:05 |
| dyfet | So if you work at a farm and go on strike, you can be charged under federal terrorism laws | Aug 25 23:05 |
| MinceR | ic | Aug 25 23:05 |
| dyfet | If you report on animal abuse to/in the press, too... | Aug 25 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | oh and those Internet archeives, they will block access to old things that have been archeived as well, from whenever it was, if it goes against the new rules and system! and laws | Aug 25 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | or in some cases demand for history to be removed from the net | Aug 25 23:07 |
| dyfet | They were simply I think the first industry to get their own terrorism laws. I think there will be many more that will try to now. | Aug 25 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | in fact things might get so bad that most of the world can't talk to MinceR online legally :d ,because he's in Hungary and that country isn't run like the UK enough in certain ways and USA and such, so yeah yeah NO NO chatting to Hungary people online legally bye bye Mincer :d | Aug 25 23:08 |
| dyfet | bulkanization of the Internet is happening too...some of it directly in response to US actions | Aug 25 23:08 |
| MinceR | i'll move out of hungary anyway | Aug 25 23:08 |
| MinceR | but it sounds like it's time to start building mesh networks | Aug 25 23:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | dyfet: maybe not the first. TSA | Aug 25 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: no no they will block you tehre or try and bock you there, by closing the borders! so the only way to escape would be illegally | Aug 25 23:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | dyfet: but definitely a trend to watch :| | Aug 25 23:09 |
| MinceR | i'm planning to leave before they close the borders | Aug 25 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: thing is the bordering counteries under the new system etc, won't want you either, so if you get caught there, you may get sent back to! | Aug 25 23:09 |
| dyfet | I had been spending a lot of time on the rez the past few years... | Aug 25 23:10 |
| dyfet | The whole world is becoming like a giant reservation | Aug 25 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean? | Aug 25 23:11 |
| dyfet | American Indian reservation | Aug 25 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Aug 25 23:11 |
| dyfet | It can be very isolating. Many live without electricity or running water, let alone connectivity... | Aug 25 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | connectivity the Intenret you mean? | Aug 25 23:12 |
| dyfet | yep, no power makes it harder ;) | Aug 25 23:13 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Aug 25 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | yep no power no Internet | Aug 25 23:13 |
| dyfet | We once had a tethered blimp that we used to inter-connect some in pine ridge with rosebud for a summer... | Aug 25 23:14 |
| dyfet | So we "ballooned" long before google ;) | Aug 25 23:15 |
| MinceR | gn | Aug 25 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | [22:55] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: the PDF thing etc you mean? | Aug 25 23:38 |
| schestowitz | That was RL friend, Mike | Aug 25 23:38 |
| schestowitz | he and I spent all day with his nephew in some museum and then chatted a lot. I told him how surveillance works and how activists like WeAreChange get framed by fake emails with child pr0n in them | Aug 25 23:38 |
| schestowitz | So Mike joked he'd mail me Mein Kampf, Anarchist handbook, Brevik's manifesto etc. to my email, saying, "here's the bunch of PDF you asked for" | Aug 25 23:39 |
| schestowitz | He likes to do that just to tease, to pretend that he can make watching me more justified, just for the sake of trolling the spooks | Aug 25 23:40 |
| dyfet | the answer is simply not to be silent or afraid | Aug 25 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | [23:47] <schestowitz> or assassinatedc | Aug 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | [23:47] <schestowitz> <Couldn't come up with example of murdered journos in the UK | Aug 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | [23:47] <schestowitz> Only US | Aug 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | [23:47] <schestowitz> But maybe I was missing something | Aug 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | [23:48] <schestowitz> I said, they make it look like a suicide when it's simple | Aug 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | [23:48] <schestowitz> i.e. when the journo has some past with depression | Aug 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | [23:48] <schestowitz> if not, then they need to pubicly kill and make it look legit | Aug 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | [23:48] <schestowitz> no time to doctor the scene of the 'suicide' to make it look natural | Aug 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | [23:49] <schestowitz> Hasting's death seems like a murder, esp. as more info comes out | Aug 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 25 23:49 |
| dyfet | The US does have history of targeted killing of journalists, particularly independent correspondents during Iraq war | Aug 25 23:50 |
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| sebsebseb | Aug 25 23:50 | |
| sebsebseb | back | Aug 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Hastings's g/f? | Aug 25 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | hd computer issues | Aug 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | what's her name? | Aug 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | He wrote a book about it, but she died not because of the US, not directly anyway, AFAIK | Aug 25 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Magei 4 install fest next year? | Aug 25 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: before the end of life of XP | Aug 25 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah hopefuly :d | Aug 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | He wrote some book like, "I lost my love in Baghdad" | Aug 25 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia 4 above | Aug 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | cool | Aug 25 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I don't know quite | Aug 25 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: there's the idea giong round to do some kind of install fest for the LUG | Aug 25 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Aug 25 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | then the usaul isues, venue, who is really interestd, etc etc, marketing | Aug 25 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what I have been thinking though is maybe can combine it with some kind of Mageia 4 release party type thing or install fest :d | Aug 25 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | get some UK Magiea people to jion LUG people and :) | Aug 25 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | hopefuly | Aug 25 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and maybe I can get enough Magiea stuff to do something porper as well :) | Aug 25 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | and put in some Ubuntu and MInt in there to if people want that | Aug 25 23:53 |
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