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DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx27KYLIZBK04F3Aug 27 00:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Texas megachurch full of anti-vaccine loonies is responsible for the latest measles outbreak.  [ http://ur1.ca/f8lh4 ]Aug 27 00:00
DaemonFCThe FDA is seeking public comment on menthol cigarettes.Aug 27 00:59
DaemonFCI wonder what regulations they have in mind.Aug 27 00:59
DaemonFCThey're not going to ban them, because they bring in too much money.Aug 27 01:00
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DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10:23_campaignAug 27 01:15
DaemonFClolAug 27 01:15
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | 10:23 campaign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/f8meu ]Aug 27 01:15
DaemonFChttp://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/08/microsoft_ceo_steve_ballmer_retires_a_firsthand_account_of_the_company_s.htmlAug 27 01:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.slate.com | Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer retires: A firsthand account of the company’s employee-ranking system. - Slate Magazine  [ http://ur1.ca/f8mf9 ]Aug 27 01:16
DaemonFCStack ranking.Aug 27 01:16
DaemonFCCould you develop a worse way to evaluate your employees?Aug 27 01:16
qu1j0t3hehAug 27 02:58
qu1j0t3from all reports, it's awfulAug 27 02:58
qu1j0t3apparently i now work at a company that uses itAug 27 02:58
DaemonFC"Pearsons claims she's not anti-vax, but the church does promote faith healing, and in August Pearsons voiced concern over vaccinations and autism, a link which has been thoroughly debunked."Aug 27 03:26
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Aug 27 03:26
DaemonFCIn their defense, they tried laying hands on the measles victims, but they ended up getting measles as well!Aug 27 03:26
DaemonFC;) Aug 27 03:26
qu1j0t3it was god's willAug 27 03:29
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2989598Aug 27 07:38
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: What is Linux? http://www.linuxis.org/ new site...Aug 27 07:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxis.org | What is Linux?Aug 27 07:38
schestowitz"Aug 27 07:38
schestowitzo_O Nice to see that they link directly to the Download of #Debian, i love Debian. But... A total newcomer will surely be confronted with the first Showstopper during installation: wifi-firmware!Aug 27 07:38
schestowitzSince Debian only offers totally free software on this CDs, the needed firmware for wificards in nearly every Notebook\Laptop\etc. has to be downloaded separately. You've got to have it at hand during installation and to know how to install it - otherwise you won't have any network connection.Aug 27 07:38
schestowitzThe hint under 'Installation':Aug 27 07:38
schestowitz    "Connected your computer to the Internet using wired connection(a wireless connection is not recommended at this point )Aug 27 07:38
schestowitzwill surely be ignored by a lot of people, because they're too lazy to get a wire and plug it into the ethernet port.Aug 27 07:38
schestowitzIMO it would have been better to point the downloads to http://live.debian.net "stable+nonfree"Aug 27 07:38
TechrightsBot-trlive.debian.net | Live Systems ProjectAug 27 07:39
schestowitz"Aug 27 07:39
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2990617Aug 27 07:39
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Fedora’s Recent Choice of Codenames Hurts the ProjectAug 27 07:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Fedora’s Recent Choice of Codenames Hurts the Project | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/f8r1g ]Aug 27 07:39
schestowitz"There's nothing offensive about the name and it is easy to remember. Don't have a cow over it?"Aug 27 07:39
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2990655Aug 27 07:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The last place I'd tune into in order to catch up with the latest on #syria is our state-controlled media. Any good summary of the latest?Aug 27 07:40
schestowitz"For D* members, please use consequently the hash tag #Syria, if you read and to post - for a short compilation by oAnth see also: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2991164 "Aug 27 07:40
TechrightsBot-tr@02mydiaspo01@joindiaspora.com: The #Middle_East, explained in one (sort of terrifying) #chart . By Max Fisher atAug 27 07:40
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.washingtonpost.com | The Middle East, explained in one (sort of terrifying) chart  [ http://ur1.ca/f8r1t ]Aug 27 07:40
TechrightsBot-tr@mosabou: #SNA: The Middle East, explained in one (sort of terrifying) chart. By Max Fisher at The Washington Post http://t.co/GnOcjIEni5Aug 27 07:40
schestowitzSeems like CIA propaganda http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/08/26/the-middle-east-explained-in-one-sort-of-terrifying-chart/Aug 27 07:42
JimmyCarterhttps://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1671459_insight-military-intervention-in-syria-post-withdrawal.htmlAug 27 07:45
TechrightsBot-trwikileaks.org | The Global Intelligence Files - INSIGHT - military intervention in Syria, post withdrawal status of  forces  [ http://ur1.ca/f8r3s ]Aug 27 07:45
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2991714Aug 27 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "John Kerry says it is 'undeniable' that government was behind 'obscene' chemical weapon attack" http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/26/syria-us-un-inspection-kerryAug 27 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Syria crisis: US signals intent to take action against Assad regime | World news | The Guardian  [ http://ur1.ca/f8r4k ]Aug 27 07:47
schestowitz"John Kerry is no philosopher...."Aug 27 07:48
JimmyCarterSo the Obama administration is considering an attack on Syria even though the American people are overwhelmingly against it, Obama does not have Congressional approval to start a war, and he will never get approval for military action from the UN because it will be blocked by Russia. Aug 27 07:49
JimmyCarterand btw 0 transparency, have to trust gov word on everythingAug 27 07:50
JimmyCarterseems decent middle east chartAug 27 07:55
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iophkhttps://metrics.torproject.org/users.html?graph=direct-users&start=2013-05-29&end=2013-08-27&country=all&events=off#direct-usersAug 27 08:27
TechrightsBot-trmetrics.torproject.org | Tor Metrics Portal: Users  [ http://ur1.ca/f8rkh ]Aug 27 08:27
iophksharp upswing in numbers recentlyAug 27 08:27
iophktime to set up a relay, bridge or obfuscated bridge Aug 27 08:32
iophkexit nodes needed, too, of courseAug 27 08:32
iophkold - https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-April/002089.htmlAug 27 08:33
TechrightsBot-trlists.torproject.org | [tor-relays] A call to arms for obfuscated bridges  [ http://ur1.ca/df607 ]Aug 27 08:33
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/08/how-might-the-feds-have-snooped-on-lavabit/Aug 27 08:52
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | How might the feds have snooped on Lavabit? | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/f8rv9 ]Aug 27 08:52
MinceRgeekingsAug 27 09:17
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/large-torrent-site-to-be-blocked-by-russias-sopa-130826/Aug 27 10:24
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Large Torrent Site to be Blocked by Russia’s SOPA | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/f8ssz ]Aug 27 10:24
iophknew law in effect thereAug 27 10:24
JimmyCarterhttp://wilfredwordpress.nfshost.com/?p=21Aug 27 10:24
TechrightsBot-trwilfredwordpress.nfshost.com | Why Tor Has Failed But I2P Will Not  |  Wilfred Hughes  [ http://ur1.ca/f8st4 ]Aug 27 10:24
JimmyCarterwiki on I2P is better link cept for provocative headlineAug 27 10:25
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iophkold - http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/02/20/outgoing.exec/Aug 27 12:15
TechrightsBot-tredition.cnn.com | CNN.com - TechWeb: Embrace open source, retiring Microsoft exec urges - Feb. 20, 2003  [ http://ur1.ca/f8tw7 ]Aug 27 12:15
iophkbut then again M$ can't do anything even close except continue with E.E.E.Aug 27 12:15
iophkThat only works when they have a lock on users (via the OEMs) but serves to marginalize their crap further when they are the outsider.Aug 27 12:17
iophkThey are outside the phone and mobile device market almost completely.Aug 27 12:17
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iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2047524/arm-acquires-sensinode-a-vendor-of-software-for-internet-of-things.htmlAug 27 13:28
schestowitzMy computer hardware is badAug 27 13:36
schestowitzToo many overheats and related issuesAug 27 13:36
schestowitzI'd hate to have to rebuilt this boxAug 27 13:36
schestowitzIt would take days\Aug 27 13:36
iophkHow old is the hardware?Aug 27 13:37
schestowitz yearsAug 27 13:37
schestowitz5Aug 27 13:37
iophkIs it dusty on the inside?Aug 27 13:37
schestowitzI have been losing hours of work because of these issuesAug 27 13:37
schestowitzAnd today has been horribleAug 27 13:37
schestowitzI recently cleaned the dustAug 27 13:38
iophkI think that most Wintel hardware is not designed to survive many years.  The warranty is usually only 2 years, 3 at the most.Aug 27 13:41
qu1j0t3rightAug 27 13:45
MinceRi think that most products are not designed to survive many yearsAug 27 13:45
MinceRnowadaysAug 27 13:45
qu1j0t3leading to... http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1870162,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8528066.stmAug 27 13:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.time.com | China's Electronic Waste Village  - Photo Essays - TIME  [ http://ur1.ca/f8vbb ]Aug 27 13:46
TechrightsBot-trnews.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - 'Mountains' of e-waste threaten developing worldAug 27 13:46
qu1j0t3MinceR: & you'd be rightAug 27 13:46
iophkI've had several devices die just after the warranty.  One was by a day or so.  Aug 27 13:46
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schestowitzIf this carries on, I'll have to take some days off to rebuilt this box, dreading the thought...Aug 27 13:57
MinceRi only had one device die just after warranty (by a month, iirc) -- a Palm Tungsten E2Aug 27 13:58
schestowitzI remember, you told meAug 27 13:58
MinceR:)Aug 27 13:58
schestowitzMy old laptop was the oppositeAug 27 13:58
schestowitzWhile still insured./covered it had many issues (year 1)Aug 27 13:59
schestowitzAfter that it worked well for about 5 yearsAug 27 13:59
schestowitzbut it was getting too slow to be usable, 32 MB of RAM is not much :-)Aug 27 13:59
schestowitzMaybe I'll move to a laptop, multi-head is then a problemAug 27 14:00
cubezzzthat's interesting, I still use computers from the 90'sAug 27 14:00
MinceRmy main computer is a tablet pc (planning to move it to an arm tablet) but i also use multi-head desktopsAug 27 14:02
schestowitzMaybe I'll just to to the HP laptopAug 27 14:03
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schestowitzmaybe I'll buy a new laptop next monthAug 27 14:08
cubezzzbuilt-in obsolescenceAug 27 14:12
cubezzzor so it seemsAug 27 14:12
MinceRor just 'good enough' qualityAug 27 14:12
MinceR(good enough for the masses and for warranty claims, that is)Aug 27 14:12
cubezzzyesAug 27 14:13
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DaemonFCWell, my car needs a $470 brake job.Aug 27 14:38
DaemonFCFuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck.Aug 27 14:38
*DaemonFC sighsAug 27 14:38
DaemonFCWell, I *have* the money, but I'd obviously rather have something besides brakes.Aug 27 14:40
DaemonFCI asked them to check the O2 sensors while it was in the bay. Those might be a little (5-6 years) past due. :PAug 27 14:45
*DaemonFC avoids Monro...Aug 27 14:54
DaemonFCLast time I went there, I had a coupon that said "Oil change: $19.99 + tax".Aug 27 14:54
DaemonFCThe guy said I'd need to leave the car there overnight and someone would get to it the next day....Aug 27 14:55
DaemonFCThen he said the actual price was $35 because of hidden fees.Aug 27 14:55
DaemonFCSo I just took it next door to Walmart. :PAug 27 14:56
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii8rC6CPCvMAug 27 14:57
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Ron White - Sears Tire Guy (They Call Me "Tater Salad") - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/f8wni ]Aug 27 14:57
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHPPYNYOy-IAug 27 15:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Ron White: California Cops - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/f8wyv ]Aug 27 15:11
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDpTidAPwUAug 27 15:14
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Ron White on DHS - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/f8x1y ]Aug 27 15:14
DaemonFCRed Alert!Aug 27 15:16
DaemonFCRaise the shields!Aug 27 15:16
DaemonFCArm the photon torpedoes!Aug 27 15:16
iophkhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/08/27/1244247/xorg-foundation-loses-501c3-non-profit-statusAug 27 15:28
TechrightsBot-tryro.slashdot.org | X.Org Foundation Loses 501(c)3 Non-Profit Status - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/f8xan ]Aug 27 15:28
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5-IjxuHxIAug 27 15:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Sam Kinison: Breaking All The Rules - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/f8xqn ]Aug 27 15:50
DaemonFC24:40 onward, lolAug 27 15:50
DaemonFChttp://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130819/TECHNOLOGY/308190012Aug 27 16:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.detroitnews.com | Comcast expands low-cost plan, hikes speed | The Detroit News  [ http://ur1.ca/f8ygg ]Aug 27 16:30
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iophkhttp://venturebeat.com/2013/08/27/arm-acquires-sensinode-for-a-leg-up-in-the-internet-of-things/Aug 27 17:16
TechrightsBot-trventurebeat.com | ARM acquires Sensinode for a leg up in the Internet of Things | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/f8zbt ]Aug 27 17:16
iophkThe Sensinode purchase will also help ARM push more open standardsAug 27 17:16
iophk""Aug 27 17:16
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iophkhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57600098-75/bill-gates-steve-ballmer-and-the-parting-of-the-ways/Aug 27 18:13
TechrightsBot-trnews.cnet.com | Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer and the parting of the ways | Microsoft - CNET News  [ http://ur1.ca/f90dj ]Aug 27 18:13
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DaemonFCI'm stuck in a very small bittorrent swarm, so I uncapped my upload rate for that torrent.Aug 27 19:41
DaemonFCHoping that this frees up some resources for other peers to give me more data.Aug 27 19:41
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sebsebseb Aug 27 19:43
iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/now-all-windows-developers-have-been-thrown-under-the-bus-7000019912/Aug 27 19:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | Now all Windows developers have been thrown under the bus | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/f9223 ]Aug 27 19:48
DaemonFChttp://progressivepopulist.org/2013/08/23/blacks-asked-to-leave-south-carolina-restaurant-because-white-customer-felt-threatened-video/Aug 27 19:50
TechrightsBot-trprogressivepopulist.org | Blacks Asked To Leave South Carolina Restaurant Because White Customer Felt Threatened (Video)  [ http://ur1.ca/f922j ]Aug 27 19:50
DaemonFCSince Comcast waived the bandwidth caps "temporarily" last year, I've been leaving various GNU/Linux ISOs seeding in the background.Aug 27 20:11
DaemonFCI'm mirroring all of the Fedora, CentOS, and Scientific Linux spins that I could find ISOs for.Aug 27 20:12
DaemonFCThe most current versions anyway...Aug 27 20:12
*DaemonFC wishes that the Fedora project would make the respins with the updates applied into official images.Aug 27 20:13
DaemonFCIt's annoying to go do an install and end up with something that's immediately 3-4 months behind on updates.Aug 27 20:14
DaemonFCThere really needs to be a way to punish people who don't do enough uploading with bittorrent.Aug 27 20:18
DaemonFCIt seems that a lot of bandwidth is wasted on people who are not being cooperative while other people in the swarm are being starved out.Aug 27 20:18
DaemonFCIdeally, I think the system would calculate how cooperative each peer is being, and adjust the speed that they're able to download at accordingly.Aug 27 20:19
DaemonFCAs disgusting as Kazaa was, they tried to implement that.Aug 27 20:19
DaemonFCUnfortunately, they left it up to the client software to report to the network how cooperative a peer was being, so a binary patch could set your participation level to maximum and get you uncapped downloads no matter what you were really doing.Aug 27 20:20
DaemonFCNot enough people figured that out to subvert the entire system, but it did allow the few people that did to gorge themselves at the expense of others.Aug 27 20:20
DaemonFC:)Aug 27 20:20
DaemonFCA system that can be easily turned against itself and the original purpose is sometimes worse than having no system at all.Aug 27 20:21
MinceR211828 < DaemonFC> There really needs to be a way to punish people who don't do enough uploading with bittorrent.Aug 27 20:23
MinceRthere are such waysAug 27 20:23
MinceRand they lead to really shitty trackersAug 27 20:23
MinceRand all the same sorts of idiocy as on DCAug 27 20:23
DaemonFCIt would be better if there was a blacklist of certain bittorrent clients.Aug 27 20:23
DaemonFCYou know, as a feature in the better ones.Aug 27 20:23
MinceRalso, it might not even be feasible with free softwareAug 27 20:23
DaemonFCSome of the flakier ones like Bitcomet.Aug 27 20:23
MinceRthen a) those clients will lie about what they are andAug 27 20:24
DaemonFCThat's true.Aug 27 20:24
MinceRb) the kiddies will ban all non-winblows clientsAug 27 20:24
MinceRjust like on DC.Aug 27 20:24
DaemonFCIf it just relies on what they report themselves as, Bitcomet could go around claiming it's Transmission or something.Aug 27 20:24
DaemonFCIt would be just like the browser user agent mess.Aug 27 20:25
DaemonFCInternet Explorer is now claiming it's like Firefox and compatible with Webkit, and Netscape, but that it's really Internet Explorer....Aug 27 20:26
DaemonFCB-)Aug 27 20:26
DaemonFCOf course it's not like Firefox, it isn't compatible with Webkit, Netscape hasn't been around in over 10 years, and in the end you're still dealing with Internet Explorer... :)Aug 27 20:26
DaemonFCIt's always funny to look at the source code of a web page that tries implementing detection and hacks for six versions of Internet Explorer that don't behave the same way, and then every other browser gets a clean copy of the page.Aug 27 20:28
DaemonFCI don't know exactly how much extra work that involves, but I'd imagine it's pretty horrible.Aug 27 20:28
DaemonFCWe're still really dealing with six non-standard browsers from Microsoft vs. Everyone else it seems.Aug 27 20:30
DaemonFCI'm waiting to see what they do to WebGL.Aug 27 20:31
MinceRWebDirect3D?Aug 27 20:31
DaemonFCThey claim IE 11 will support it, but you know it will be missing standard features, and adding several that only work in IE.Aug 27 20:31
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/PHIFjKE.jpgAug 27 20:32
DaemonFCMinceR, I was reading a news article the other day, about teenage boys that are being kidnapped from Nepal, castrated, and forced into sex slavery in India.Aug 27 20:33
DaemonFCI didn't know there were so many Catholics there...Aug 27 20:34
MinceR:>Aug 27 20:34
DaemonFCMinceR, I was in a Catholic nursing home because someone I know works there and I was stopping by to bring them something for dinner.Aug 27 20:36
DaemonFCThis was a few months ago.Aug 27 20:36
DaemonFCSo, while I was there, I needed to pee, so I found a restroom, closed the door, flipped on the light.....Aug 27 20:37
DaemonFCI unzipped my pants, stood in front of the toilet....Aug 27 20:37
DaemonFCAnd that's when I looked up and saw it...Aug 27 20:37
DaemonFCSomeone thought it would be a good idea to put a picture of Pope Benedict on the wall behind the toilet.Aug 27 20:38
DaemonFC"Oh, that's just creepy...."Aug 27 20:38
MinceRlolAug 27 20:38
MinceRmaybe they had trouble pissing because they had boners and counteracted it with Sidious II?Aug 27 20:38
DaemonFCSidious in exilium ob multa scandalaAug 27 20:41
DaemonFC:)Aug 27 20:41
DaemonFCMinceR, I got all five seasons of Stargate Atlantis on Blu Ray...Aug 27 20:51
*DaemonFC got through three seasons while he was sick over the weekend.Aug 27 20:51
DaemonFC:PAug 27 20:51
MinceR:)Aug 27 20:52
MinceRi haven't seen all of SGA yetAug 27 20:52
DaemonFChttps://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/5443Aug 27 21:23
TechrightsBot-trtrac.transmissionbt.com | #5443 (tr_clientForId() identifies Tixati as BitTornado)      – Transmission  [ http://ur1.ca/f93lk ]Aug 27 21:23
DaemonFCYuck.Aug 27 21:23
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sebsebsebDaemonFC: MinceR  A Nokia 770 tablet is nearly mine thenAug 27 21:58
sebsebsebfor freeAug 27 21:58
sebsebsebmay as well have it then I guess?Aug 27 21:58
sebsebsebruns MaemoAug 27 21:58
DaemonFCNokia is announcing a Windows RT tablet now.Aug 27 21:59
MinceRindeedAug 27 21:59
DaemonFCLike they haven't burned up enough of their money on the money losing Windows phones that only about 6% of the market wants.Aug 27 21:59
DaemonFCBy the time you get done with the licensing costs of Windows and the number of customers you're turning away from your products, and the extra development costs associated with customizing the hardware and software, it's a money loser.Aug 27 22:00
DaemonFCMicrosoft doesn't actually provide ARM hardware distributors with a copy of Windows that just works.Aug 27 22:01
DaemonFCThey get source code under an NDA and have to make major alterations to it themselves.Aug 27 22:01
DaemonFCNokia is shipping units, but they're losing money on each one.Aug 27 22:03
DaemonFCI don't think it's a good idea to get anything from Nokia.Aug 27 22:03
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah this guy has some other stuff to that may be of interestAug 27 22:04
sebsebsebMinceR: seems the NOkia 770 is  a tablet, a satnav, a internet device etcAug 27 22:04
DaemonFCYou can get a Windows phone for "free" with the contract, but you could get an Android phone that actually does stuff too.Aug 27 22:04
MinceRi wonder if they made the 770 back when they still had engineers who knew what they were doingAug 27 22:04
MinceRthen again, even my first nokia phone (6101) suckedAug 27 22:05
sebsebsebit's from 2006 it seemsAug 27 22:05
DaemonFCThe last Nokia I had was a basic flip phone in 2006.Aug 27 22:06
MinceRthe 6101 was a flip phone tooAug 27 22:06
MinceRuntil it became a flip and crack phoneAug 27 22:06
MinceRat least the n97 had a robust opening mechanismAug 27 22:09
DaemonFC"Besides the large, particularly venomous snake-like creature that inhabits the mainland, it looks to be a welcome environment."Aug 27 22:14
DaemonFClolAug 27 22:14
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