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TechrightsBNHello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.71Oct 05 09:02
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schestowitz_bed2> Also, at long last, attached are a bunch of banner ads I have had created. ItOct 05 09:42
schestowitz_bed2> would be appreciated if you could somehow display our banner ads whereverOct 05 09:42
schestowitz_bed2> appropriate and drive traffic to our site who may be interested in hosting orOct 05 09:42
schestowitz_bed2> security services. My goal is to make Copilotco my primary employment in theOct 05 09:42
schestowitz_bed2> next two years.Oct 05 09:42
schestowitz_bed2I have spent an hour or so choosing and moving around banners. I ended up putting 4 banners in each post page, about 17,000 such pages. Two are ladders, one is a footer, and another is a box near the bottom. None of them would interfere with reading.Oct 05 09:42
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137537Oct 05 19:22
TechrightsBN@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: "All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry."Oct 05 19:22
schestowitz_bed2"I'm afraid I don't believe him. I think the title was very cleverly chosen to provoke controversy. Very similar to the way he now makes controversial attacks on religion. He makes his position very clear in Chapter 1: I shall argue that a predominant quality to be expected in a successful gene is ruthless selfishness. This gene selfishness will usually give rise to selfishness in individual behaviour. At best, this is tabloid Oct 05 19:22
schestowitz_bed2science, but IMHO it is actually philosophy masquerading as science (and bad philosophy at that).'Oct 05 19:23
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schestowitz_bed2"Roundcube is a web-based IMAP email client written in PHP. Roundcube's most prominent feature is the pervasive use of Ajax technology to present a more fluid and responsive user interface than that of traditional webmail clients like Horde or Squirrelmail. "Oct 05 23:28
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2 For this test, !Roundcube has been set up on the Postfix Proxy (54.229.190.82) box in AWS.Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2In the new Ubuntu box we have to install a LAMP Server:Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2sudo apt-get install lamp-server^Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2Alternatively, install roundcube and its webmail/web-facing package, which will haul over all the dependencies and may requite mysql-server to be installed and configured separately.Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2While installing you will be prompted for !MySQL root Password, use 'G.......2' .Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2Next we need to create a !MySQL Database & User for Roundcube: Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2mysql -u root -pOct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2Creating the database:Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2create database roundcubemail;Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2Creating !MySQL user:Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2create user roundcube;Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 23:31
schestowitz_bed2'Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2 Setting the new user password:Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2set password for 'roundcube' = password('roundcube');Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2Then set priviledges for user roundcube:Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2grant all privileges on roundcubemail.* to ‘roundcube’ identified by ‘roundcube’;Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2Exit !MySQL:Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2exitOct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2 Installing Roundcube:Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2We will be installing Rouncube in the following directory /var/www/webmail.Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2We need to download !RoundCube:Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2cd /var/www/Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2sudo wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/roundcubemail/roundcubemail/0.9.4/roundcubemail-0.9.4.tar.gzOct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2Extract the compress file and rename the directory:Oct 05 23:32
TechrightsBNsourceforge.net | Download Roundcube Webmail from SourceForge.net  [ http://ur1.ca/fud3w ]Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2sudo tar -xzvf roundcubemail-0.9.4.tar.gzOct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2sudo mv roundcubemail-0.9.4/ webmail/Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 23:32
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 23:33
schestowitz_bed2 Change ownership of directory /var/www/webmail/temp and /var/www/webmail/logs to user and group www-data ( www-data is user and group web server)Oct 05 23:33
schestowitz_bed2sudo chown -R www-data.www-data /var/www/webmail/tempOct 05 23:33
schestowitz_bed2sudo chown -R www-data.www-data /var/www/webmail/logsOct 05 23:33
schestowitz_bed2Import database Roundcube to !MySQL server, log into !MySQL server then typing these commandOct 05 23:33
schestowitz_bed2mysql -u root -p roundcubemail < /var/www/webmail/SQL/mysql.initial.sqlOct 05 23:33
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 23:33
ANOTHER SOURCE:
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roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128938Oct 02 08:16
roy_1"Respect that is not earned is fear."Oct 02 08:16
MinceRindeedOct 02 09:29
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roy_1> Hi, Roy,Oct 02 15:01
roy_1> Oct 02 15:01
roy_1> They're smearing Ollila in the press now:Oct 02 15:01
roy_1> Oct 02 15:01
roy_1> http://www.iltasanomat.fi/digi/art-1288605057421.htmlOct 02 15:01
roy_1> Oct 02 15:01
roy_1> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http://www.iltasanomat.fi/digi/art-1288605057421.htmlOct 02 15:02
roy_1> Oct 02 15:02
roy_1> He had nothing to do with the M$ scandal but now the various papers areOct 02 15:02
roy_1> trying to make noise about putting him in on M$ board of directors,Oct 02 15:02
roy_1> perhaps as chairman.  What is he going to be able to do?  It's not likeOct 02 15:02
roy_1> he can go in and fire all the managers, half the developers and swap theOct 02 15:02
roy_1> kernel out for FreeBSD and the display for Mir.Oct 02 15:02
roy_1What's the source of this? is that a nationally-held paper? Corporate news always has an agenda, but it hires skillful writers who know how to hide it.Oct 02 15:02
roy_1"Oct 02 15:18
roy_1It's not worth writing about, just something to watch for furtherOct 02 15:18
roy_1development.Oct 02 15:18
roy_1It's not worth writing about, just something to watch for furtherOct 02 15:18
roy_1development.Oct 02 15:18
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roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130648Oct 02 21:55
roy_1"Evangelism is War outlines the tactics used outside of advertising money and outright purchase."Oct 02 21:55
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130646Oct 02 21:56
roy_1"Ouch. It was not Bezos' paper when he started working there. You can argue that the purpose of his work is to bring more community input into things to fight propaganda. It's probably true that he has been recruited to waste his efforts on what's really an astroturf program, designed to give a false impression of community. If that's true, he won't be there long."Oct 02 21:56
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130622Oct 02 21:57
roy_1 b"They used to move that by hard drive but it makes more sense to continually sync by network. I'm not sure that makes things worse from a privacy standpoint. The NSA and other US Government agents can already walk in and demand anything they want. One point of the U SAP AT RIOT ACT was to use private data. Google could use rsync and similar to protect the data stream. Even if it was sent in the clear putting it all back together again Oct 02 21:58
roy_1outside of Google would be a huge expense."Oct 02 21:58
roy_1NSA staff can read a lot of email, so I assume they already have access to many password. Also, Google et al. use weak encryption to appease the NSA,r provide back doors. MSFT is famous for this now...Oct 02 21:59
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134661Oct 03 12:34
roy_1'httpright for me"Oct 03 12:34
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134661Oct 03 12:37
roy_1"I’m serving on the advisory board of the Voice of the People project, which is developing innovative (and scientifically valid) ways to allow “Members of Congress to hear from a representative sample of their constituents on key issues facing Congress.” "Oct 03 12:37
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roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134745Oct 03 13:42
roy_1"I was recently hired to teach a class at the nearest school, well, they want me to teach the kids how to use M$ office. Well, they got a surprised when I told them that I will teach in general terms, and the kids will also learned how to use other offices like #libreoffice #kofice among others."Oct 03 13:42
roy_1That's only fair. As a driving teacher you won't teach a person only how to drive a Mercedes Type EOct 03 13:43
roy_1https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/385739319584911360Oct 03 13:44
roy_1I pointed this out yesterday. Intel is for intelligence (not ours) and we should boycott IntelOct 03 13:45
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*roy_1 is now known as schestowitz_bedOct 03 19:20
schestowitz_bed"Why does this read like a PR document written by Apple to sway public opinion? Both parties have come close or outright crossed the ethical lines in their various legal battles. Finger waving or sanctioning a lawyer here or there does not change the core issues. Rather is distracts from the core issues and gains sentiment (or attempts to)."Oct 03 19:39
schestowitz_bedhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134662Oct 03 20:03
schestowitz_bed"Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedThe article is a load of rubbish. The author and the commentators haven't for one second considered why Slackware is the way it is and why it has survived.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedA load of false statements and assumptions - as all Gentoo, Arch, LFS etc. users know - because they are all based on similar ideas to Slackware.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedAutomatic dependency testing is not good. It is bad.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedSome dependencies are optional, depending on what features you want. Others aren't even depencies at all - regardless of any features - they will include a library if it is available - if it isn't no sweat - so why include it if you don't want to? With automatic dependency checking you are relying on the distro administrators to decide for you what you need - and this is the heart of the matter.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedSince when has the most popular been the "best"? Basically, the popular "user-friendly" distros are catering for a dumbed-down consumer mentality. They want to frighten the user into thinking that computers and software are difficult - when is pretty easy.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedTo say you need prior knowledge of GNU/linux in order to use Slackware is a lie - I had NO knowledge of GNU/linux prior to Slackware - Slackware is indeed classified as being suitable for both beginners and experts - it is easier to install than most GNU/Linux - it was easier to install than W95 or W7 - and I was an expert at installing W95 !!!!Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedInstalling packages is done by various methods - including installing binaries - but the usual method is by running a script - which can be done automatically using sbopkg or manually. This script then compiles the program. This means your binaries are CLEAN plus you can include and exclude any options which you wish - this is "advanced" - contrary to what te article said.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedThis is generally no slower than installing binaries, the exception being libraries.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedBasically - "user-friendly" distros are full of marketing hype when they talk about user friendliness - they are just treating you as dumb consumer and con you into thinking that everything they do automatically is awfully difficult to do by yourself.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedIn short - they dumb you down, lock you in and control you.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedFinally - to prove how third rate that article is. look at these quotes:Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedthe most famous distros – from Ubuntu to Fedora to Mint – were born in the mid-2000′s.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bed"Famous"? He means those that get the most publicity i.e. hype. Doesn't he know that Ubuntu is based on Debian from the 1990's? That Feodora is based on RedHat from the 1990's? What sort of child is he? Does this mean that he finds Debian too "difficult" - or he hasn't even tried it? Ubuntu is just hype. Like many (but not all) new distros - it is based on a solid distro from the 1990's (Slackware, Debian, Redhat) - but Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedsometimes with no difference other than a different default window manager and wallpaper.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedSince then, the distribution honestly hasn’t changed much – it has updated more than it has “improved”. In other words, it hasn’t added any functionality on its own, but rather just replace system components with successors.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedWhat the author calls "functionality" (what would be no-funtionality? Wall paper?) are deviations from the basic standard GNU/Linux. Slackware is standard - if you understand Slackware, you will understand Linux and thus understand the basic underlying system of all all GNU/Linux systems - and you WILL understand it because Slackware is free of the unnecessary overhead which slow down other systems, make them bloated and cause Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedadditional problems. In other words, the additional "functionality" of other distros is nothing more than a software burocracy.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedIf you know a "user friendly" distro, you just know it or it's distro-family user interface. Going to another "user-friendly" distro means learning their interface - but you still aren't getting to know GNU/Linux. In shirt you are little better off than a Windoze user - indeed some distros pride themselves that windoze users will hardly notice the difference :)))Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedIt's the difference beween living at home and living in a hotel. Which is why I call other distros "Valet" distros.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedThe project started in 1992, a year after Linux was initially released, as a way to install a Linux system that already included some core packages: the kernel, an X window system, and more.Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bedThe author doesn't know the first thing about Linux - he did not even mention GNU !!!Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_bed"Oct 03 20:07
schestowitz_log_"The author clearly didn't bother to ask Slackware or its users the simple question: WHY? But since he's never heard of GNU, it isn't surprising."Oct 03 20:55
schestowitz_bedhttps://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/385855523850948608Oct 03 21:30
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schestowitz_bedhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137674Oct 04 17:48
schestowitz_bed"https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137674"Oct 04 17:48
schestowitz_bed"Sounds like the installer isn't free software - if you cant use it without being bound by requirements to video the process, and must use it on only a few permitted devices, then freedom #1 is not provided."Oct 04 17:48
schestowitz_bedhttps://twitter.com/Nyssen11/status/386109029342126080Oct 04 17:51
schestowitz_bedhttps://twitter.com/Nyssen11/status/386103295464337408Oct 04 17:51
MinceRsounds like some beta testing-specific restrictionOct 04 18:35
MinceRi'd wait and see how the release is licensedOct 04 18:35
schestowitz_bedhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137571Oct 04 19:07
schestowitz_bed"Has Microsoft given up trying to fool them?"Oct 04 19:08
schestowitz_bedMinceR: maybeOct 04 19:08
schestowitz_bedbut I don't view them as pro-freedom, just  pro-choiceOct 04 19:08
schestowitz_bedThey're not ReplicantOct 04 19:08
schestowitz_bedReplicant is the one FSF is backingOct 04 19:08
schestowitz_bedCM is not a good ethial company anymore, this is from one of the use-to-be-cm-developers: https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs ""Oct 04 19:09
schestowitz_bedhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137675Oct 04 19:09
schestowitz_bed"Oct 04 19:10
schestowitz_bedI remained silent about the whole Focal relicensing troubles for now. There was a lot of drama between the app being GPL, and the fact Cyanogen Inc wanted to use it, which drove some frustration between me, some CM contributors, and CM leaders. As a result, to avoid any problem, Focal has been removed from CyanogenMod. I think you deserve explanations and “behind the scenes” view on how all of this happened, and to know itâ€Oct 04 19:10
schestowitz_beds not just a last-minute decision or ragequit.Oct 04 19:10
schestowitz_bedThis is the true, fully-featured story of the “Focal drama”. It's not a rant about how Cyanogen Inc is bad or anything (and it can be a good thing, with a few conditions, see at the end of the post), but just an insight on how this all happened, and how some people were and are feeling. Oct 04 19:10
schestowitz_bed"Oct 04 19:10
schestowitz_bedhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134627Oct 04 19:18
schestowitz_bed"I don't se m smartphone. I don't like keyhole computing :) A gsm phone, a digital camera and a netbook are fine if I'm travelling. Just the gsm for moving around town. Plus a moleskin diary and a book :)'Oct 04 19:18
MinceRbut is it made of genuine mole skin?Oct 04 19:22
MinceRi see, i've read the Focal post to the relicensing partOct 04 19:27
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schestowitz_bedhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137537Oct 04 20:12
schestowitz_bed"By perusing the paleo-anthropolgy literature one finds that we had ethics before we had sophisticated culture, maybe even before we had complex language. It's built into what we are; a weak, tailless, fangless, clawless mammal that has to cooperate to survive in nature."Oct 04 20:13
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TechrightsBNHello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.71Oct 05 09:02
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schestowitz_bed2> Also, at long last, attached are a bunch of banner ads I have had created. ItOct 05 09:41
schestowitz_bed2> would be appreciated if you could somehow display our banner ads whereverOct 05 09:41
schestowitz_bed2> appropriate and drive traffic to our site who may be interested in hosting orOct 05 09:41
schestowitz_bed2> security services. My goal is to make Copilotco my primary employment in theOct 05 09:41
schestowitz_bed2> next two years.Oct 05 09:41
schestowitz_bed2I have spent an hour or so choosing and moving around banners. I ended up putting 4 banners in each post page, about 17,000 such pages. Two are ladders, one is a footer, and another is a box near the bottom. None of them would interfere with reading.Oct 05 09:41
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137537Oct 05 19:22
TechrightsBN@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: "All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry."Oct 05 19:22
schestowitz_bed2"I'm afraid I don't believe him. I think the title was very cleverly chosen to provoke controversy. Very similar to the way he now makes controversial attacks on religion. He makes his position very clear in Chapter 1: I shall argue that a predominant quality to be expected in a successful gene is ruthless selfishness. This gene selfishness will usually give rise to selfishness in individual behaviour. At best, this is tabloid Oct 05 19:22
schestowitz_bed2science, but IMHO it is actually philosophy masquerading as science (and bad philosophy at that).'Oct 05 19:22
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schestowitz_bed2> I was speaking with someone who pre-ordered a Jolla.  On the day theOct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> sale of Nokia was announced, they called the company to check up onOct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> their pre-order.  Apparently by that time already over 30,000 people hadOct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> made similar calls.  I don't know if they called AM or PM though.Oct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> Also, unrelated, BYOD seems to have the bad side effect of letting M$Oct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> engage in pure overreach.  Outrageous shit that would have had even theOct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> meekest people complain is now accepted because, well, BYOD.  As aOct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> result M$ will soon have nearly irrevocable control over 100% of theOct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> official systems and official data flow.  Even simple stuff like gettingOct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> LibreOffice installed can take months of fighting now -- a real example.Oct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2>  So once the control is irrevocable (without throwing out 100% ofOct 06 10:21
schestowitz_bed2> systems and IT staff) the management pushing for M$ can then deny BYOD.Oct 06 10:21

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