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schestowitz_bed2"LinuxDevices is sorely missed, still. Any updates regarding Quinstreet? Will they hand the stories over for re-publication on the Web?" -meOct 09 04:08
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3150164Oct 09 04:11
TechrightsBN@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New NSA Leaks: US Government Uses Microsoft Windows to Spy on and Harass Anonymous Internet Users http://techrights.org/2013/10/07/enemies-of-the-state/ #privacyOct 09 04:11
TechrightsBN-> techrights.org | New NSA Leaks: US Government Uses Microsoft Windows to Spy on and Harass Anonymous Internet Users | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fuyna ]Oct 09 04:11
schestowitz_bed2I agree with Will Hill. There are just statements on this page, no new info or proofs/links."Oct 09 04:11
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2You misunderstand me, vn971. The links and quotes on that page are pretty good support for what Roy has said here and it is good to have them together in context. Spin works by eroding each piece of evidence and distracting people so they can't put it together. Roy has been good at connecting dots by exercising his memory and notes.Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2I would add to these links the TOR project warning against using Windows,Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2In principle, all users of all Tor Browser Bundles earlier than the above versions are vulnerable. But in practice, it appears that only Windows users with vulnerable Firefox versions were actually exploitable by this attack ... Fourth, consider switching to a "live system" approach like Tails [13]. Really, switching away from Windows is probably a good security move for many reasonsOct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-announce/2013-August/000089.htmlOct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2and perhaps some links about how the US Government targets progressive groups on behalf of private interests,Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8354 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy https://plus.google.com/u/0/110904817933340247146/posts/YVqsw5X4rCu http://www.popularresistance.org/heres-how-the-corporations-defeat-political-movements/ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3028292Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBNlists.torproject.org | [tor-announce] Tor security advisory: Old Tor Browser Bundlesvulnerable  [ http://ur1.ca/fuynj ]Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2and contacts between that harassment and Microsoft partners,Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBNwww.bradblog.com | The BRAD BLOG : U.S. Chamber of Commerce Thugs Used 'Terror Tools' for Disinfo Scheme Targeting Me, My Family, Other Progressive U.S. Citizens, GroupsOct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2https://plus.google.com/u/0/113215976889659570939/posts/FgLiD23NnTn http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBNwww.theguardian.com | The shocking truth about the crackdown on Occupy | Naomi Wolf | Comment is free | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fuynk ]Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2None of this is really new but the combination is useful for understanding. It all points back to prior leaks that people are still analyzing. It will take time to figure things out because our "security state" is deeply deceptive and corrupt.Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBNplus.google.com | Dorian Santner - Google+ - Stratfor was hired by: Dow Chemical to spy on people…  [ http://ur1.ca/fuynl ]Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBNwww.popularresistance.org | Here’s How The Corporations Defeat Political Movements | PopularResistance.Org  [ http://ur1.ca/evw7t ]Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBN@willhill@joindiaspora.com: ### <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/11/jailed_journalist_barrett_brown_faces_105">Connecting the Dots Between Private Thugs and The US Government</a>Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBN-> www.democracynow.org | Jailed Journalist Barrett Brown Faces 105 Years For Reporting on Hacked Private Intelligence Firms | Democracy Now!  [ http://ur1.ca/fuynm ]Oct 09 04:14
TechrightsBN-> www.thenation.com | The Strange Case of Barrett Brown | The Nation  [ http://ur1.ca/fuyno ]Oct 09 04:14
TechrightsBNplus.google.com | James Salsman - Google+ - I had no idea +Michael Dell was active in Stratfor…  [ http://ur1.ca/fuynp ]Oct 09 04:14
TechrightsBNwww.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Forced Exposure ~pj  [ http://ur1.ca/f4rka ]Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2"Ah, poor me, I was unfamiliar with such links [3] and skipped them without noticing. Sorry."Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2No problem. I enjoyed putting this all in one place and I'm happy you now understand how Roy is doing his articles.Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2Quoting the sources on the essay page is an interesting but potentially confusing technique. It is very good to make copies of the source to preserve them against publisher deletion, moving and other link rot. The problem with referring them to numbers is that the reader has to figure it out and then look down to see the source. I like to see the source by hovering my mouse so that I can judge the reliability of what I'm Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2reading. There's a big difference between reading something from a careful source like the FSF and a not so careful source like The Register.Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2I have been experimenting with articles' format recently and might revert to the old style. Due to increase in work hours, workload (daytime job) and other factors I have been struggling to maintain the old style of writing.Oct 09 04:15
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3150020Oct 09 04:17
TechrightsBN@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: GNU World Domination, Not Linux World DominationOct 09 04:17
TechrightsBN-> techrights.org | GNU World Domination, Not Linux World Domination | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/futge ]Oct 09 04:17
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:17
schestowitz_bed2The 4 freedoms: 0. freedom to run the program for whatever purpose. 1. freedom to study and modify as you wish 2. freedom to distribute exact copies as you wish (either gratis or for money) 3. freedom to modified the program (make it better for example) and distribute the modified version as you wish (gratis or for money).Oct 09 04:17
schestowitz_bed2Those apply to free software in general which does include bsd.Oct 09 04:18
schestowitz_bed2the gnu programs are generally released under copyleft licenses, guaranteeing the software (and any/all derivatives) to remain free while permissive licenses permit redistibution of a program under a eula (which makes copyleft licenses preferrable).Oct 09 04:18
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:18
schestowitz_bed2BSD is part of the revolution, and BSD type licences, even Apache, MPL, MIT etc.Oct 09 04:18
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3151636Oct 09 04:19
TechrightsBN@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In the World of Programming, GNU/Linux Blossomed and Microsoft Fell Behind http://techrights.org/2013/10/08/in-the-world-of-programming-gnulinux-blossomed-and-microsoft-fell-behind/ #gnu #linux #microsoftOct 09 04:19
TechrightsBN-> techrights.org | In the World of Programming, GNU/Linux Blossomed and Microsoft Fell Behind | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fuyo2 ]Oct 09 04:19
schestowitz_bed2"Git did not suffer a DDOS attack. That was GitHub, a company that hosts git repositories."Oct 09 04:19
schestowitz_bed2By far the biggest repository/hub of git. of course, to suggest that a piece of copyable s/w is under DDOS attack would not *literally* make sense. Oct 09 04:20
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3151695Oct 09 04:21
TechrightsBN@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Latest Disruptions in Databases Favour Free/Libre Software http://techrights.org/2013/10/08/database-trends/ #database #oracle #mongodb #nosql #mysqlOct 09 04:21
schestowitz_bed2"You forgot the awesome PostgreSQL"Oct 09 04:21
TechrightsBN-> techrights.org | Latest Disruptions in Databases Favour Free/Libre Software | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fuyo7 ]Oct 09 04:21
schestowitz_bed2it was mentioned as wellOct 09 04:21
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schestowitz_bed2"LinuxDevices is sorely missed, still. Any updates regarding Quinstreet? Will they hand the stories over for re-publication on the Web?" -meOct 09 04:08
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3150164Oct 09 04:11
TechrightsBN@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New NSA Leaks: US Government Uses Microsoft Windows to Spy on and Harass Anonymous Internet Users http://techrights.org/2013/10/07/enemies-of-the-state/ #privacyOct 09 04:11
TechrightsBN-> techrights.org | New NSA Leaks: US Government Uses Microsoft Windows to Spy on and Harass Anonymous Internet Users | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fuyna ]Oct 09 04:11
schestowitz_bed2I agree with Will Hill. There are just statements on this page, no new info or proofs/links."Oct 09 04:11
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2You misunderstand me, vn971. The links and quotes on that page are pretty good support for what Roy has said here and it is good to have them together in context. Spin works by eroding each piece of evidence and distracting people so they can't put it together. Roy has been good at connecting dots by exercising his memory and notes.Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2I would add to these links the TOR project warning against using Windows,Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2In principle, all users of all Tor Browser Bundles earlier than the above versions are vulnerable. But in practice, it appears that only Windows users with vulnerable Firefox versions were actually exploitable by this attack ... Fourth, consider switching to a "live system" approach like Tails [13]. Really, switching away from Windows is probably a good security move for many reasonsOct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-announce/2013-August/000089.htmlOct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2and perhaps some links about how the US Government targets progressive groups on behalf of private interests,Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBNlists.torproject.org | [tor-announce] Tor security advisory: Old Tor Browser Bundlesvulnerable  [ http://ur1.ca/fuynj ]Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8354 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy https://plus.google.com/u/0/110904817933340247146/posts/YVqsw5X4rCu http://www.popularresistance.org/heres-how-the-corporations-defeat-political-movements/ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3028292Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2and contacts between that harassment and Microsoft partners,Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBNwww.bradblog.com | The BRAD BLOG : U.S. Chamber of Commerce Thugs Used 'Terror Tools' for Disinfo Scheme Targeting Me, My Family, Other Progressive U.S. Citizens, GroupsOct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2https://plus.google.com/u/0/113215976889659570939/posts/FgLiD23NnTn http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBNwww.theguardian.com | The shocking truth about the crackdown on Occupy | Naomi Wolf | Comment is free | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fuynk ]Oct 09 04:13
TechrightsBNplus.google.com | Dorian Santner - Google+ - Stratfor was hired by: Dow Chemical to spy on people…  [ http://ur1.ca/fuynl ]Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2None of this is really new but the combination is useful for understanding. It all points back to prior leaks that people are still analyzing. It will take time to figure things out because our "security state" is deeply deceptive and corrupt.Oct 09 04:13
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:14
TechrightsBNwww.popularresistance.org | Here’s How The Corporations Defeat Political Movements | PopularResistance.Org  [ http://ur1.ca/evw7t ]Oct 09 04:14
TechrightsBN@willhill@joindiaspora.com: ### <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/11/jailed_journalist_barrett_brown_faces_105">Connecting the Dots Between Private Thugs and The US Government</a>Oct 09 04:14
TechrightsBN-> www.democracynow.org | Jailed Journalist Barrett Brown Faces 105 Years For Reporting on Hacked Private Intelligence Firms | Democracy Now!  [ http://ur1.ca/fuynm ]Oct 09 04:14
TechrightsBN-> www.thenation.com | The Strange Case of Barrett Brown | The Nation  [ http://ur1.ca/fuyno ]Oct 09 04:14
TechrightsBNplus.google.com | James Salsman - Google+ - I had no idea +Michael Dell was active in Stratfor…  [ http://ur1.ca/fuynp ]Oct 09 04:14
TechrightsBNwww.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Forced Exposure ~pj  [ http://ur1.ca/f4rka ]Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2"Ah, poor me, I was unfamiliar with such links [3] and skipped them without noticing. Sorry."Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2No problem. I enjoyed putting this all in one place and I'm happy you now understand how Roy is doing his articles.Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2Quoting the sources on the essay page is an interesting but potentially confusing technique. It is very good to make copies of the source to preserve them against publisher deletion, moving and other link rot. The problem with referring them to numbers is that the reader has to figure it out and then look down to see the source. I like to see the source by hovering my mouse so that I can judge the reliability of what I'm Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2reading. There's a big difference between reading something from a careful source like the FSF and a not so careful source like The Register.Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:14
schestowitz_bed2I have been experimenting with articles' format recently and might revert to the old style. Due to increase in work hours, workload (daytime job) and other factors I have been struggling to maintain the old style of writing.Oct 09 04:15
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3150020Oct 09 04:17
TechrightsBN@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: GNU World Domination, Not Linux World DominationOct 09 04:17
TechrightsBN-> techrights.org | GNU World Domination, Not Linux World Domination | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/futge ]Oct 09 04:17
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:17
schestowitz_bed2The 4 freedoms: 0. freedom to run the program for whatever purpose. 1. freedom to study and modify as you wish 2. freedom to distribute exact copies as you wish (either gratis or for money) 3. freedom to modified the program (make it better for example) and distribute the modified version as you wish (gratis or for money).Oct 09 04:18
schestowitz_bed2Those apply to free software in general which does include bsd.Oct 09 04:18
schestowitz_bed2the gnu programs are generally released under copyleft licenses, guaranteeing the software (and any/all derivatives) to remain free while permissive licenses permit redistibution of a program under a eula (which makes copyleft licenses preferrable).Oct 09 04:18
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 09 04:18
schestowitz_bed2BSD is part of the revolution, and BSD type licences, even Apache, MPL, MIT etc.Oct 09 04:18
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3151636Oct 09 04:19
TechrightsBN@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In the World of Programming, GNU/Linux Blossomed and Microsoft Fell Behind http://techrights.org/2013/10/08/in-the-world-of-programming-gnulinux-blossomed-and-microsoft-fell-behind/ #gnu #linux #microsoftOct 09 04:19
TechrightsBN-> techrights.org | In the World of Programming, GNU/Linux Blossomed and Microsoft Fell Behind | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fuyo2 ]Oct 09 04:19
schestowitz_bed2"Git did not suffer a DDOS attack. That was GitHub, a company that hosts git repositories."Oct 09 04:19
schestowitz_bed2By far the biggest repository/hub of git. of course, to suggest that a piece of copyable s/w is under DDOS attack would not *literally* make sense. Oct 09 04:20
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3151695Oct 09 04:21
TechrightsBN@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Latest Disruptions in Databases Favour Free/Libre Software http://techrights.org/2013/10/08/database-trends/ #database #oracle #mongodb #nosql #mysqlOct 09 04:21
schestowitz_bed2"You forgot the awesome PostgreSQL"Oct 09 04:21
TechrightsBN-> techrights.org | Latest Disruptions in Databases Favour Free/Libre Software | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fuyo7 ]Oct 09 04:21
schestowitz_bed2it was mentioned as wellOct 09 04:21
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