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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-02/irans-cyber-warfare-head-assassinated | Oct 03 00:22 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Iran's Cyber Warfare Commander Assassinated | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/ftgij ] | Oct 03 00:22 |
| Sosumi | courtesy of prince Bandar Bin Sultan and the five dancing israelis | Oct 03 00:22 |
| JimmyCarter | i dont remember if i cried when i read about our raided site. but something touched me deep inside, the day the silk road died. =( | Oct 03 00:23 |
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| DaemonFC | Those credit card reward programs have been scaled back quite a bit. | Oct 03 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | My bank called me and told me that they were going to downgrade my card to one with no rewards program, so I called them and told them that if they wanted to do that, they could cancel my account. So they ended up moving me to a card with a better rewards program. | Oct 03 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | They know that people get junk mail all the time and probably wouldn't even have read that. | Oct 03 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | Then they won't notice that their annual rebate check stopped coming in the mail. | Oct 03 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | It only happens once a year so it's probably easy to miss. | Oct 03 03:24 |
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| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3132761 | Oct 03 07:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 03 07:15 |
| roy_1 | "Well, I'm from Brazil and live in Brazil. Unfortunately I can assure you it is true. Sad, but true. =(" | Oct 03 07:15 |
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| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131105 | Oct 03 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://hothardware.com/News/EU-Votes-to-Make-All-Smartphone-Vendors-Utilize-a-Standard-Charger/ | Oct 03 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/ft8t4 ] | Oct 03 08:34 |
| roy_1 | "|Nokia is no more, hail to Jolla :D|" | Oct 03 08:35 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385649991450378240 | Oct 03 08:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Red Hat leads way to certify OpenStack pros http://t.co/TxoXC88VeP #redhat the #gnu #linux backer wants them to use RHEL | Oct 03 08:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.zdnet.com | Red Hat leads way to certify OpenStack pros | ZDNet | Oct 03 08:35 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385669933155495936 | Oct 03 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Nutritional promises http://t.co/m3I107MS8c | Oct 03 08:42 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385671484133609472 | Oct 03 08:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Edward Snowden’s E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show http://t.co/C0yZMaPjKv #fbi #email | Oct 03 08:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.com | Edward Snowden's E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show | Threat Level | Wired.com | Oct 03 08:45 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385673795530686464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385674217066610688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385674598567919616 | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics Project http://t.co/HJFwYmdJsP #nvidia #linux #JeromeGlisse | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics Project | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Klaus Knopper Interview http://t.co/AYEIcgSrmi #knopper #knoppix #gnu #linux | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.everydaylinuxuser.com | The Klaus Knopper Interview ~ Everyday Linux User | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debian Project News - September 30th, 2013 http://t.co/FQHI58x9AO #debian #gnu #linux | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.debian.org | Debian Project News - September 30th, 2013 | Oct 03 09:02 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675041004089344 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675466990190592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675721466982401 | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SolydX 201309 Review: Simple, effective and efficient, as good as Linux Mint! http://t.co/JyesS193gG http://t.co/HZmPbt7v4t #debian spin | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk | Linuxed - Exploring Linux distros: SolydX 201309 Review: Simple, effective and efficient, as good as Linux Mint! | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk | Linuxed - Exploring Linux distros: SolydK 201309 Review: Rock-solid Debian spin offering KDE 4.11.1 | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Tales from Linux Kernel 3.11 Development – The Kernel Column http://t.co/x6pslt6Ygc #linux #kernel | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linuxuser.co.uk | Tales from Linux Kernel 3.11 Development – The Kernel Column | Linux User | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Open source snapshot: GhostBSD http://t.co/hNhxQg3zma #ghostbsd #unix #bsd | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techworld.com.au | Open source snapshot: GhostBSD - open source, FreeBSD - GNOME - Open Source - Techworld | Oct 03 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-20-Alpha-MATE-Compiz-Screenshot-Tour-387078.shtml | Oct 03 09:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Fedora 20 Alpha MATE/Compiz Screenshot Tour [ http://ur1.ca/ftl9j ] | Oct 03 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | Heisenbug? | Oct 03 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | I guess that was inspired by Breaking Bad? | Oct 03 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | "A man opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me!?" | Oct 03 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | "I am the man who knocks!" | Oct 03 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 03 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/10-baddest-the-bathtub | Oct 03 09:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amctv.com | Breaking Bad - The Bathtub: 10 Baddest – AMC [ http://ur1.ca/ftlbg ] | Oct 03 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFbOAIWjJM | Oct 03 09:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | breaking bad acid scene - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ftlc9 ] | Oct 03 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | oh damn it | Oct 03 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | Why do people on Youtube have to add that stupid song to everything? | Oct 03 09:13 |
| iophk | zero-day is just a marketing term : http://www.eweek.com/security/microsoft-ie-zero-day-flaw-exposure-widens.html | Oct 03 09:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eweek.com | Microsoft IE Zero-Day Flaw Exposure Widens [ http://ur1.ca/ftlib ] | Oct 03 09:30 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/lavabit-defied-order-for-snowdens-login-info-then-govt-asked-for-sites-ssl-key/ | Oct 03 09:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Lavabit got order for Snowden’s login info, then gov’t demanded site’s SSL key | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ftljk ] | Oct 03 09:35 |
| iophk | no mention of the real weak point being Windows, even not counting the intentional back doors, it is the weak spot in both security and maintenance : http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/security/3471745/former-nsa-cio-slams-fortune-100-companies-security/ | Oct 03 09:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworlduk.com | Former NSA CIO slams Fortune 100 companies' security - ComputerworldUK.com [ http://ur1.ca/ftll3 ] | Oct 03 09:39 |
| prurigro | iophk: how is zero day a marketing term? | Oct 03 09:47 |
| iophk | the flaw has always been there and many people know about it | Oct 03 09:49 |
| prurigro | oh, you mean in this case | Oct 03 09:49 |
| iophk | the marketers like to pretend it is a surprise | Oct 03 09:49 |
| prurigro | zero day doesn't mean new though | Oct 03 09:49 |
| prurigro | it means no exploit has been built for it | Oct 03 09:49 |
| iophk | they like to pretend it is new, also there are often exploits for it, as we learn after the fact | Oct 03 09:49 |
| prurigro | or rather, nothing has been built to exploit it, or however that should be worded :) | Oct 03 09:49 |
| iophk | usually | Oct 03 09:49 |
| prurigro | and word, well, no known exploits | Oct 03 09:50 |
| iophk | or rather, nothing the vendor is willing to admit to | Oct 03 09:50 |
| prurigro | if someone's come up with one that isn't in the wild yet, that's the risk you take using something with an unpatched zero day | Oct 03 09:50 |
| iophk | there have been many instances of vendors (especially one in particular) pretending that exploits are not available and not in use when they really have been | Oct 03 09:51 |
| prurigro | are you special enough for someone to out their exploit? can the exploit be used en masse all at once? | Oct 03 09:51 |
| prurigro | word, I'd argue its more likely that noone knows yet, publically, so obviously the best angle for PR is to assume exploits don't exist and haven't been used | Oct 03 09:52 |
| prurigro | though I've definitely heard of companies covering up having had their own servers attacked due to exploits to keep their users feeling safe | Oct 03 09:52 |
| iophk | yes, the PR goes from the lie that exploits don't exist and haven't been used, when all that really means is that there is none that the vendor is currently willing to face | Oct 03 09:52 |
| iophk | publicly | Oct 03 09:52 |
| prurigro | who knows how much stuff like that spreads behind doors | Oct 03 09:52 |
| iophk | behind doors at the vendor, and behind "doors" in the black hat communities | Oct 03 09:53 |
| prurigro | the good thing about open source is that people are more concerned with getting things fixed than PR | Oct 03 09:53 |
| iophk | yes, that is a strong advantage | Oct 03 09:53 |
| prurigro | black hat communities are often more trade/payment based in respect to exploits; otherwise people sit on them without discussing their existence | Oct 03 09:54 |
| iophk | M$ has been manipulating the stats for years, a decade maybe, to hid the slow incompetent responses | Oct 03 09:54 |
| prurigro | most corporations that hide behind closed doors do this, I wouldn't single M$ out-- many are guilty, and its a good reason to use foss stuff in general | Oct 03 09:55 |
| iophk | I would expect that the really good exploits are held closely guarded and not used when less valuable ones can be used instead | Oct 03 09:55 |
| prurigro | not even to mention purposefully inserted backdoors and such | Oct 03 09:55 |
| iophk | yes many vendors, M$ may be worst, but others are bad too. | Oct 03 09:55 |
| prurigro | why do you say M$ is the worst? | Oct 03 09:55 |
| iophk | historically they have been | Oct 03 09:55 |
| iophk | or would it be Cisco now? | Oct 03 09:55 |
| prurigro | I mean, this is a situation where we know many companies have done this, but don't know how often or how much any company has | Oct 03 09:55 |
| prurigro | Adobe: flash? | Oct 03 09:56 |
| iophk | LOL | Oct 03 09:56 |
| iophk | I forgot Flash. | Oct 03 09:56 |
| iophk | and Adobe | Oct 03 09:56 |
| iophk | they might be worst of all | Oct 03 09:56 |
| prurigro | <3 | Oct 03 09:56 |
| iophk | I am surprised that Flash has not been actively purged from the net. | Oct 03 09:57 |
| iophk | Yet people still use it and act as if nothing is wrong with it. | Oct 03 09:57 |
| iophk | Even stupider people base public services on it. | Oct 03 09:57 |
| prurigro | we need to wait for everyone to rewrite everything | Oct 03 09:57 |
| prurigro | in html5 | Oct 03 09:57 |
| prurigro | flash has already been declared dead by adobe iirc | Oct 03 09:57 |
| iophk | The decision to use Flash instead of video is only made by jackasses, but then there is no shortage of those. | Oct 03 09:58 |
| prurigro | kinda like netflix and silverlight | Oct 03 09:58 |
| iophk | That's another decision that makes no sense. | Oct 03 09:58 |
| prurigro | well I mean, some guy wants a website with videos and knows enough to look for some package he can drop on his site or something | Oct 03 09:58 |
| prurigro | finds a flash based video player and it seems to work, so he goes with it | Oct 03 09:59 |
| prurigro | not everyone's paying attention to all the politics and changes | Oct 03 09:59 |
| prurigro | and word, netflix using silverlight does make sense because silverlight has good drm | Oct 03 09:59 |
| iophk | If one wanted to attribute sinister motives to the whole thing, there are groups with an interest in getting backdoors on users' machines. Flash does that nicely, gives control of the mike and the camera, too. | Oct 03 10:00 |
| prurigro | they really just need to write their own browser plugin until html5 gets its drm extension though imo | Oct 03 10:00 |
| prurigro | word, yeah, I definitely don't run flash on my compy | Oct 03 10:00 |
| iophk | drm in HTML5 is not set yet, that may be a 3rd party add on | Oct 03 10:00 |
| prurigro | on that note, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/?src=api is fantastic :) | Oct 03 10:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | addons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/ftltb ] | Oct 03 10:00 |
| prurigro | I thought the w3 decided for sure that it was in, but as a separate spec? | Oct 03 10:00 |
| iophk | Youtube does not have a large percentage of HTML5 videos yet. many are still in Flash | Oct 03 10:01 |
| prurigro | did you see the plugin I just pasted? | Oct 03 10:01 |
| prurigro | converts flash videos to their html5 counterpart and then loads them in the youtube html5 video player :) | Oct 03 10:01 |
| iophk | Interesting. Thanks. | Oct 03 10:01 |
| prurigro | well, all of that simultaneously | Oct 03 10:01 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 03 10:02 |
| prurigro | reason youtube keeps some in flash btw, is because their ads only work with flash | Oct 03 10:02 |
| prurigro | MinceR: ahohohoy | Oct 03 10:02 |
| MinceR | j0h0h0 | Oct 03 10:02 |
| prurigro | and a bottle of rum | Oct 03 10:03 |
| gulag2013 | I was playing with Minitube for Ubuntu, that seems to work fine without the use of flash. Is it me are do videos appear to load faster without flash? | Oct 03 10:03 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 03 10:04 |
| prurigro | there might be hardware decoder for non-flash versions? | Oct 03 10:04 |
| prurigro | whichever format the browser you're talking about is using | Oct 03 10:04 |
| gulag2013 | Ya, not sure I know that the XBMC addon for youtube works fine too. | Oct 03 10:05 |
| prurigro | including videos that are normally using flash? | Oct 03 10:05 |
| prurigro | youtube-dl works nicely too on a side note | Oct 03 10:06 |
| prurigro | if you have a little disk space | Oct 03 10:06 |
| gulag2013 | Oh yes, that is if you just want to download them and watch later right? | Oct 03 10:06 |
| prurigro | or right now then delete them, in whatever format | Oct 03 10:06 |
| prurigro | even if its strictly flv, mplayer and vlc both play that nicely | Oct 03 10:07 |
| prurigro | no flash required | Oct 03 10:07 |
| prurigro | you could even download to /tmp (assuming its a ramdisk) if you didn't want any additional writes, thinking about it | Oct 03 10:07 |
| gulag2013 | Cool thanks, I haven't tried to stream them. I was learning how to set the formats. | Oct 03 10:07 |
| prurigro | (thinking SSDs here) | Oct 03 10:07 |
| prurigro | you mean with youtube-dl? | Oct 03 10:08 |
| prurigro | in my bashrc I have: alias yt-dl='youtube-dl -t --max-quality mp4' | Oct 03 10:08 |
| gulag2013 | Yes, I know the defaults were high quality | Oct 03 10:08 |
| prurigro | saves with the title, uses the max quality and prefers mp4 (which most devices have a hardware decoder for) | Oct 03 10:09 |
| prurigro | is high quality the default? | Oct 03 10:09 |
| gulag2013 | I believe so, the files were large. | Oct 03 10:09 |
| prurigro | word, there was a time when it wasn't, but maybe that's changed | Oct 03 10:09 |
| prurigro | the lowest quality on that note is sometimes hilariously small | Oct 03 10:09 |
| prurigro | I was 'borriwing' wifi once and didn't want to suck up too much bandwidth, so I dl'd minimum quality and the resulting video was barely the size of 12pt font | Oct 03 10:10 |
| gulag2013 | Oh, well we are all on the same path. I have tried everything from gnash to a viewtube greasemonkey plugin. Sill have flash on my machine. For now anyway. | Oct 03 10:11 |
| prurigro | did you see that plugin I pasted? | Oct 03 10:11 |
| prurigro | assuming you use firefox (which you should) | Oct 03 10:12 |
| gulag2013 | Was that the HTML5 one? | Oct 03 10:12 |
| prurigro | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/ | Oct 03 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | addons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ] | Oct 03 10:12 |
| gulag2013 | I did install it, Thanks just haven't found were it is on my firefox | Oct 03 10:12 |
| prurigro | oh, like, you disable/uninstall flashplugin | Oct 03 10:12 |
| prurigro | and magically any youtube videos that weren't html5 before will be converted on the fly | Oct 03 10:13 |
| prurigro | (disable the popup complaining you don't have flashplayer) | Oct 03 10:13 |
| gulag2013 | Ya, I'm used to seeing that popup, ha ha | Oct 03 10:13 |
| prurigro | I thought you had flashplugin? :) | Oct 03 10:13 |
| gulag2013 | I do, I was speaking from my past attempts trying other plugins | Oct 03 10:14 |
| prurigro | ahh, touche haha | Oct 03 10:14 |
| prurigro | well, this one works for now | Oct 03 10:14 |
| gulag2013 | Nagging you to install the flash spyware | Oct 03 10:14 |
| prurigro | lol | Oct 03 10:14 |
| prurigro | firefox is supposed to sandbox flash right? | Oct 03 10:15 |
| gulag2013 | can we use your camera and mic, and then change those settings everyday back to default | Oct 03 10:15 |
| prurigro | lol, hopefully it doesn't know how to enable your camera without turning the light on too :) | Oct 03 10:16 |
| gulag2013 | I'm a little crazy and leave the built in cam covered. I have trust issues. | Oct 03 10:18 |
| prurigro | lol | Oct 03 10:18 |
| prurigro | if you're using a fully foss OS and software, you should probably be ok; probably :) | Oct 03 10:19 |
| gulag2013 | In windows it was fairly easy to disable in device manager, not sure what I'm doing in Ubuntu yet. | Oct 03 10:19 |
| prurigro | oh hrm, ubuntu might not be the best distro if you have trust issues haha | Oct 03 10:20 |
| gulag2013 | Really, well it's better you tell me now. | Oct 03 10:20 |
| prurigro | re:windows, I definitely wouldn't trust anything I've done to be the case if anyone they're friends with don't want it to be anymore | Oct 03 10:20 |
| prurigro | ubuntu, by default, sends the stuff you type in searches for programs and files to ubuntu, who then forwards them to amazon | Oct 03 10:21 |
| prurigro | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do | Oct 03 10:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.fsf.org | Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/bw4j6 ] | Oct 03 10:21 |
| prurigro | you can disable it, but when it comes to open source, I feel like using a particular project is akin to voting with your wallet for capitalism | Oct 03 10:22 |
| gulag2013 | That started in 12.10. What are the odds that is happening in 12.04. I don't use the Dash much, but I appreciate the warning. | Oct 03 10:22 |
| prurigro | ahh, you're still on an older one eh? odds are lower, though ubuntu is still a poor example of a free OS in a number of ways | Oct 03 10:22 |
| prurigro | fedora on the other hand, is particularly shining | Oct 03 10:23 |
| prurigro | if you want something that's still user friendly | Oct 03 10:23 |
| gulag2013 | I do have my privacy settings set. Yes you are right, Fedora is clean? | Oct 03 10:23 |
| prurigro | it's really secure by default too-- firewall, selinux etc | Oct 03 10:23 |
| gulag2013 | Is that what Selinux is based from Fedora? | Oct 03 10:24 |
| prurigro | it's clean, 100% foss by default (you'll want to add a repo if you want binary graphics drivers and the like), and has some pretty secure defaults while staying user friendly | Oct 03 10:24 |
| prurigro | selinux is actually developed by the NSA, but its 100% foss and has been reviewed many many times-- the NSA also uses it interally | Oct 03 10:24 |
| gulag2013 | The use Yum? What are the packages, what do you use at the moment? | Oct 03 10:24 |
| prurigro | rpm are the packages, and fedora is the free distro by redhat, one of the biggest companies in linux, and most responsible in terms of respecting and contributing to foss/linux | Oct 03 10:25 |
| prurigro | I use archlinux, which is an amazing distro in a number of ways, but not necessarily something one should start on as its more complex (and its benifits are more for those who like to hack around) | Oct 03 10:26 |
| gulag2013 | I'm going to have to check it out, I really haven't spent much time with Fedora, I tried Suse. | Oct 03 10:26 |
| gulag2013 | Arch is way over my league | Oct 03 10:26 |
| prurigro | suse, at least when I was looking at it in the late 90s and early 2000s was pretty heavily based on redhat (now fedora) | Oct 03 10:27 |
| prurigro | when you're looking at fedora, you download an installer for a particular desktop, so you might want to look at the ones available and decide in the mean time | Oct 03 10:27 |
| prurigro | youtube videos and the desktops' respective websites and such | Oct 03 10:27 |
| gulag2013 | Are you saying they are different sizes. I looked at a Debain download that was over 4 gigs. | Oct 03 10:28 |
| prurigro | kde and gnome are the heavier more complete desktops, and xfce is still pretty user friendly while being lighter on the resources (though more like windows xp than windows 8) | Oct 03 10:29 |
| prurigro | they're different sizes too, though if you have a modern computer I'd decide based more on the type of environment you picture yourself using | Oct 03 10:29 |
| prurigro | KDE: http://kde.org/workspaces/plasmadesktop/ GNOME: http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ and XFCE: http://www.xfce.org/about/screenshots | Oct 03 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | kde.org | KDE - Plasma Desktop | Oct 03 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnome.org | GNOME 3 | GNOME | Oct 03 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.xfce.org | Screenshots - Xfce | Oct 03 10:30 |
| prurigro | (look at the 4.10 ones for xfce) | Oct 03 10:30 |
| gulag2013 | Okay, I will have to research that, but I would like to get familiar with some Redhat based distros. KDE had way to many options for me. | Oct 03 10:31 |
| prurigro | http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops <- different desktops | Oct 03 10:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fedoraproject.org | Fedora Project - Get Fedora: Desktops, Other Formats, Spins, Cloud Images or Secondary Arches. [ http://ur1.ca/821f4 ] | Oct 03 10:31 |
| prurigro | haha, yeah, I personally like gnome 3 the most | Oct 03 10:31 |
| iophk | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/10/richard-stallman-on-the-painful-birth-of-gnu/ | Oct 03 10:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU - Open Enterprise [ http://ur1.ca/ftd8k ] | Oct 03 10:33 |
| prurigro | the configuration exposed by default is really simple and makes up the core of what you'd likely really want to tweak, but its also almost infinitely extendable (has a regedit type settings system + https://extensions.gnome.org/) | Oct 03 10:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | extensions.gnome.org | GNOME Shell Extensions | Oct 03 10:33 |
| gulag2013 | I was just going to say, I may go with gnome | Oct 03 10:33 |
| prurigro | word, well then :) | Oct 03 10:33 |
| prurigro | it was unpopular at first, so I'm always apprehensive about suggesting it, but I really like it so yeah haha | Oct 03 10:33 |
| prurigro | for someone who needs to go through every single config option, KDE is a mess :) | Oct 03 10:34 |
| prurigro | it also doesn't look nearly as good somehow | Oct 03 10:34 |
| gulag2013 | This is nice to have choices. Na, I was running Elementary a few weeks ago, I like minimalism | Oct 03 10:35 |
| prurigro | ahh, so you've played around with desktops a bit then eh? | Oct 03 10:35 |
| prurigro | what distros? | Oct 03 10:35 |
| prurigro | or all ubuntu? | Oct 03 10:35 |
| gulag2013 | A few mostly all Ubuntu, | Oct 03 10:35 |
| prurigro | word | Oct 03 10:36 |
| gulag2013 | Would you say Debian based distros? | Oct 03 10:36 |
| prurigro | for ubuntu? | Oct 03 10:36 |
| prurigro | or ubuntu derivatives? | Oct 03 10:37 |
| prurigro | I suppose ubuntu derivative somewhat implies debian based as well | Oct 03 10:37 |
| gulag2013 | Is mint considered a ubuntu derivative/ | Oct 03 10:37 |
| prurigro | last I checked they had one directly based off debian and on based off ubuntu | Oct 03 10:37 |
| prurigro | not sure if that's still the case though | Oct 03 10:37 |
| prurigro | ahh yeah, seems it is | Oct 03 10:38 |
| prurigro | linux mint debian would be the debian based one | Oct 03 10:38 |
| prurigro | directly | Oct 03 10:38 |
| gulag2013 | Okay, it does get a little confusing, with all the desktops. | Oct 03 10:39 |
| prurigro | good thing about fedora btw, is that it uses systemd for services and other backend stuff, which is becoming a standard many distros are moving to (meaning universal graphical config utils too) as well as a much more solid way to manage things, and it also uses packagekit for its package management guis | Oct 03 10:39 |
| prurigro | which plug into pretty much any distro's package manager | Oct 03 10:40 |
| prurigro | so you're learning one distro, but you'll be able to switch to quite a few others with the same skills you pick up | Oct 03 10:40 |
| prurigro | instad of only other debian based ditros | Oct 03 10:40 |
| gulag2013 | Thanks, I'm still learning the file structure etc.. I was concerned about learning only one flavor of linux | Oct 03 10:43 |
| prurigro | the file structur is very similar across the board | Oct 03 10:43 |
| prurigro | programs are split into a few key areas of /usr, system config is in /etc, personal files and user config goes into respective home directories in /home etc | Oct 03 10:44 |
| iophk | gulag2013: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb/fhs | Oct 03 10:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.linuxfoundation.org | FHS | The Linux Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/ftm6l ] | Oct 03 10:45 |
| iophk | Not as good as the old site. try "man hier" in the terminal, that gives about the same overview. | Oct 03 10:46 |
| prurigro | services used to (and still are by debian and a few others) be done using scripts that could be run to start/stop them and temporary files with an ID number for a process stored somewhere to keep track, but systemd has created a framework that keeps track of everything, so services that die can alert you or restart automatically and logs can be loaded | Oct 03 10:46 |
| gulag2013 | iophk, Thank you for that, I'm very overwhelmed, but I don't want to give up. | Oct 03 10:47 |
| prurigro | debian wants to avoid systemd because its not compatible with BSD, and gentoo developed its own similar but different systemd-like setup | Oct 03 10:47 |
| gulag2013 | Wait a second, BSD is Unix isn't it? | Oct 03 10:47 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: if you want to actually learn the basics in a much more simple setup like those of us who started back in the day were lucky enough to have been able to do | Oct 03 10:48 |
| prurigro | you should get http://ttylinux.net/ and load it into a VM | Oct 03 10:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ttylinux.net | ttylinux homepage | Oct 03 10:48 |
| prurigro | BSD is unix, yes | Oct 03 10:48 |
| iophk | The LinuxFoundation has some serious usability issues with their FHS part of the site. | Oct 03 10:49 |
| gulag2013 | That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSD | Oct 03 10:49 |
| iophk | Here is the latest standard: | Oct 03 10:49 |
| iophk | http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_2.3/ | Oct 03 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | refspecs.linuxfoundation.org | FHS 2.3 Specifications [ http://ur1.ca/ftm82 ] | Oct 03 10:49 |
| iophk | Most of the distros try to follow that, even if they end up deviating in practice. | Oct 03 10:50 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: BSD is a bit of an underdog and carries a rather different philosophy on open source than linux, so sometimes you'll find users making a lot of noise about it since linux is typically the default choice new users move towards | Oct 03 10:50 |
| gulag2013 | You said you were lucky with learning, what did you mean by that. I know I would benefit from some hands on real world stuff. | Oct 03 10:52 |
| prurigro | like, back in the day there was less to linux than there is today, or at least it feels that way-- and there was also less built ontop to make things easier, which meant all the user friendly guides floating around were structured to configuring /etc/fstab and stuff like that | Oct 03 10:55 |
| gulag2013 | Anyway, I appreciate being pointed in a few directions. Oh so it wasn't as compartmentalized as it is today? | Oct 03 10:55 |
| prurigro | ttylinux is a very very minimal distro (no graphics, almost the minimum set of packages required for a system to run etc), which is why its a good distro to show you the key aspects of a working system (vs the extra stuff) | Oct 03 10:55 |
| gulag2013 | That is what I need to be doing, and with nautilus I'm not forcing myself to learn that. | Oct 03 10:56 |
| prurigro | its always been compartmentalized, being opensource and such-- there are just more layers now | Oct 03 10:57 |
| prurigro | I used to have a sheet of paper with terminal commands and what they do written on them sitting beside the computers | Oct 03 10:57 |
| prurigro | computer*, and I'd add to it each time I looked something up | Oct 03 10:57 |
| prurigro | eventually they just sank in | Oct 03 10:57 |
| roy_1 | [10:49] <gulag2013> That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSD | Oct 03 10:57 |
| roy_1 | Juniper is occupied by Microsoft | Oct 03 10:57 |
| roy_1 | it also FUDs Android | Oct 03 10:58 |
| prurigro | Android has FUD? I thought the facts were pretty creepy already lol | Oct 03 10:58 |
| gulag2013 | What is that? Jupiter has been compromised by Ms? | Oct 03 10:58 |
| iophk | HP; Juniper and Cisco are all M$ now. Are there any networking companies not M$ now? | Oct 03 10:58 |
| iophk | gulag2013: Juniper: http://rcpmag.com/articles/2011/11/01/the-executive-march-from-microsoft-to-juniper-networks.aspx | Oct 03 10:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rcpmag.com | 12 Microsoft Execs Who Made the March to Juniper Networks -- Redmond Channel Partner [ http://ur1.ca/ftmbo ] | Oct 03 10:59 |
| iophk | Like roaches, where there is one, there are many. | Oct 03 10:59 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, no i think we are talking two different things. :"The Linux Action show | Oct 03 10:59 |
| prurigro | lol | Oct 03 11:00 |
| gulag2013 | Jupiter broadcasting Network. | Oct 03 11:00 |
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| roy_1 | Linux Action Show is quite FOSS-hostile at times | Oct 03 11:01 |
| roy_1 | But with Bryan out there's hope for improvement | Oct 03 11:01 |
| prurigro | in what way? | Oct 03 11:01 |
| roy_1 | Matt Hartley is not that bad | Oct 03 11:01 |
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| gulag2013 | Bryan was an arrogant something | Oct 03 11:01 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: just watch what they say about RMS, FSF, GPL, etc. | Oct 03 11:01 |
| roy_1 | !google linux action show techrights | Oct 03 11:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Is Jupiter Broadcasting's Linux Action Show Anti-GNU ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/05/05/linux-sucks-fud/ | Oct 03 11:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Links 16/8/2013: Tropico 5 for GNU/Linux, KDE 4.11 ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/08/16/kde-4-11-released/ | Oct 03 11:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - TechBytes Episode 86: Debian GNU/Linux and Firmware | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/24/techbytes-episode-86/ | Oct 03 11:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Novell/SUSE is Microsoft in Linux | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/06/microsoft-in-linux/ | Oct 03 11:02 |
| prurigro | roy_1: haha, well I mean, it sounds like they like their BSD license according to gulag2013, so I'd say that's pretty par for course | Oct 03 11:02 |
| prurigro | the fsf and rms are far from perfect, too | Oct 03 11:03 |
| JimmyCarter | im depressed they busted DPR, i thought that guy was like John Hancock. | Oct 03 11:03 |
| JimmyCarter | making me realize what i moral outrage i think drug prohibition is | Oct 03 11:03 |
| JimmyCarter | _so many_ persecuted. (for pursuit of happiness, heh) | Oct 03 11:03 |
| prurigro | and the gpl has arguments against it; whether you agree with those arguments or not is a matter of personal philosophy though of course | Oct 03 11:03 |
| prurigro | JimmyCarter: yeah :( I was watching the storycorps interview with him and his friend earlier tonight and he seemed like such a friendly, intelligent, creative guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh68DDUYVPM&html5=1 | Oct 03 11:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | StoryCorps Interview with Rene Pinnell and Ross Ulbricht (DreadPirateRoberts of Silk Road) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ftmda ] | Oct 03 11:04 |
| prurigro | more like persuit of avoiding hard questions and maintaining obedience (depending on which drug you're talking about) | Oct 03 11:05 |
| JimmyCarter | "happiness" | Oct 03 11:07 |
| JimmyCarter | heh | Oct 03 11:07 |
| prurigro | at the end of the storycorps interview, he talks about where he'd like to be in 5 years and 20 years, and his answers were respectively having a family and changing the world for the better in some way | Oct 03 11:09 |
| prurigro | made me sad :( | Oct 03 11:09 |
| JimmyCarter | seems political groups subject to inversionary forces (like repbulicans being liberal and democrats conservative, and over history switching). now christians are the anti-christ. and government is anti-government. | Oct 03 11:12 |
| prurigro | I feel like whoever is in charge likes the elimination of privacy because they have control over the information gleaned from said scenario | Oct 03 11:12 |
| prurigro | and whoever's no in charge is horrified by the "other party" having access to this information, so they're against the elimination of privacy | Oct 03 11:13 |
| prurigro | not* | Oct 03 11:13 |
| JimmyCarter | or government is anti-people. | Oct 03 11:13 |
| prurigro | hence inversionary when the party in power flips | Oct 03 11:13 |
| JimmyCarter | for gods sake could we simply stop persecuting each other and maybe even pay the bills | Oct 03 11:14 |
| prurigro | government in the US has grown unchecked to a point where it seems like many decisions are about self preservation (in the form its in) rather than for the people | Oct 03 11:14 |
| prurigro | government itself isn't inherently either | Oct 03 11:14 |
| prurigro | and it can be good | Oct 03 11:14 |
| prurigro | I'm glad I down live down there either way | Oct 03 11:14 |
| JimmyCarter | maybe after US defaults on debt for first time something will change | Oct 03 11:25 |
| JimmyCarter | people and the market will care more about electing reasonable people | Oct 03 11:25 |
| prurigro | I don't see good things happening if the US defaults on debt and the gov't collapses | Oct 03 11:26 |
| JimmyCarter | i dont knwo exact details but think they can default "a little" | Oct 03 11:27 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385706508618858496 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707000845565952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707380669157376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707934652825601 | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #NSA must really love #Microsoft right now http://t.co/Z2NbqyTw4d http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0 | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eweek.com | Microsoft IE Zero-Day Flaw Exposure Widens | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #nsa thinks that companies are easy to infiltrate (i.e. crack). It would know; that's what the NSA does. http://t.co/uetInDI7xs | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.computerworlduk.com | Former NSA CIO slams Fortune 100 companies' security - ComputerworldUK.com | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU http://t.co/4JZEidzq22 #gnu #fsf #history | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU - Open Enterprise | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "I still use Linux on my main PC because I enjoy the flexibility and power it offers." http://t.co/JPJCa9QeQz #gnu #linux | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> manilastandardtoday.com | A Mac for a Linux user - Manila Standard Today | Oct 03 11:27 |
| JimmyCarter | only the bonds coming due each day until agreement reached | Oct 03 11:27 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385708928082149376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385709592686387200 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385709957737644032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385710415277457408 | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reviews: First look at Tiny Core Linux 5.0 http://t.co/MrxQvq8EgN "this is not a "turnkey" distribution for general purpose use." | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New Firefox 25 Beta Launched on All Available Platforms http://t.co/Z00eH2XFp2 strong brand, still? http://t.co/tFQcfLhRFR | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | New Firefox 25 Beta Launched on All Available Platforms | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.complex.com | No One Knows What the Firefox Logo is, and Last Night's Jeopardy! Proved It | Complex | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Nouveau Keeps Pushing Forward With Improvements http://t.co/5zMA01ymdc #linux #graphics | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Nouveau Keeps Pushing Forward With Improvements | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SUSE is a goner http://t.co/SJbIyAAj4g | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.internetnews.com | Red Hat Doesn't See SUSE Linux as a Major Competitive Threat - InternetNews. | Oct 03 11:28 |
| prurigro | shame they didn't shut down the NSA datacenter while the gov't was closed | Oct 03 11:28 |
| prurigro | that takes a couple million in power each day | Oct 03 11:28 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: what's with this shutdown meme? | Oct 03 11:29 |
| roy_1 | Some 4chan joke? | Oct 03 11:29 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385710723739189248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385711193190834176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385711635320811520 | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fedora Linux 20 Gears Up to Be a Big Data Server http://t.co/Pkc2xLa9fW better use CentOS. #fedora #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.serverwatch.com | Fedora Linux 20 Gears Up to Be a Big Data Server | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debian Edu / Skolelinux Wheezy — a complete Linux solution for your school http://t.co/viuYjU9ur2 #debian #education | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.debian.org | Debian -- News -- Debian Edu / Skolelinux Wheezy — a complete Linux solution for your school | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? http://t.co/xMR8bdHpOW #slackware #gnu #linux | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.makeuseof.com | Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? | Oct 03 11:29 |
| gulag2013 | Nasa.gov is still down. I don't follow what is going on with the United States Corporation anymore. | Oct 03 11:29 |
| JimmyCarter | yup... or shutdown the fbi targeting libertines | Oct 03 11:30 |
| JimmyCarter | i would like to see fbi and cia agents in jail, congress members in jail, lobbyists in jail, bankers in jail | Oct 03 11:31 |
| JimmyCarter | nsa agents in jail | Oct 03 11:31 |
| iophk | managers instead | Oct 03 11:31 |
| iophk | those are the decision makers | Oct 03 11:32 |
| prurigro | roy_1: shutdown meme? it literally shutdown (aside from manditory services) | Oct 03 11:32 |
| prurigro | of which somehow the NSA is one | Oct 03 11:32 |
| JimmyCarter | instead the feds are busy hunting hacker kids | Oct 03 11:33 |
| gulag2013 | and Raw milk | Oct 03 11:33 |
| JimmyCarter | heres a helpful guideline for decidign who you should prosecute | Oct 03 11:36 |
| JimmyCarter | 1. are they hurting anyone? 2 are they abusing special privilege? (ie looting public office to loot pension funds) | Oct 03 11:37 |
| gulag2013 | I started waking up a few years after 9/11. You don't want to wake up. Stay asleep. You can't have conversations with family and friends anymore. | Oct 03 11:37 |
| iophk | I'm not sure its a reliable source, but it is interesting : http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-hurting-the-entertainment-industry-121003/ | Oct 03 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isn’t Killing The Entertainment Industry, Scholars Show | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/ftmp8 ] | Oct 03 11:37 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: you think? I find it makes for good convo with some folks- others who aren't interested still have intersets you can talk about :) | Oct 03 11:40 |
| roy_1 | [11:32] <iophk> those are the decision makers | Oct 03 11:40 |
| roy_1 | Nurmberg trials | Oct 03 11:40 |
| iophk | both are | Oct 03 11:40 |
| iophk | I should clarify that the managers should be included even if they are not getting their hands dirty directly. | Oct 03 11:41 |
| gulag2013 | In a venue like this it's encouraged. I felt very alone with my views. | Oct 03 11:41 |
| roy_1 | same for organised religions | Oct 03 11:41 |
| prurigro | there should be oversight departments that keep others in check | Oct 03 11:41 |
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| roy_1 | Falwell ewt al. | Oct 03 11:42 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: do you live in the US? up here in Canada people are pretty reasonable | Oct 03 11:42 |
| roy_1 | Those who laugh like little devils while their peons abuse society | Oct 03 11:42 |
| gulag2013 | United States yes. | Oct 03 11:42 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: for now | Oct 03 11:42 |
| roy_1 | wait until the falwell's leave the bankrupt US and buy homes in Canada or China or Singapore etc. | Oct 03 11:43 |
| roy_1 | China as in HK or Macau | Oct 03 11:43 |
| roy_1 | they wouldn't want their hands dirty in mainland china, only the globalist islands like seoul and japana | Oct 03 11:43 |
| roy_1 | *japan | Oct 03 11:43 |
| prurigro | roy_1: who are these falwells? | Oct 03 11:43 |
| roy_1 | *falwell | Oct 03 11:44 |
| roy_1 | or *falwells | Oct 03 11:44 |
| roy_1 | I am tying while lying, so.. | Oct 03 11:44 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: or cheneys | Oct 03 11:44 |
| roy_1 | sociopaths who rally crowds or easily impressionable people | Oct 03 11:44 |
| roy_1 | rallying for wars, theft, etc. | Oct 03 11:44 |
| prurigro | oh hm, are there enough of them to influence an entire culture? | Oct 03 11:44 |
| prurigro | we got the equivalent of fox news up here (sun news) and absolutely noone watches it | Oct 03 11:45 |
| prurigro | people were worried at first that it would start eroding our brains | Oct 03 11:45 |
| roy_1 | using captailist orgs also, to motivate people to work for under-minimum-wage jobs (inc. military) and serve someone else's interests | Oct 03 11:45 |
| roy_1 | Ther corporate media grooms those 'leaders' | Oct 03 11:45 |
| roy_1 | Canada doesn't have many Trumps yet | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | But there are those French-like types who are getting there | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | in Quebec I think | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | and some magnates | Oct 03 11:46 |
| prurigro | we have a number of extremely rich, though yes, we're far more balanced re: middle class | Oct 03 11:46 |
| prurigro | we're also the most educated country in the world | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | In thre US, look at the richesy city | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | iot's ruled by one of those sociopaths | Oct 03 11:47 |
| roy_1 | he cracked the vote | Oct 03 11:47 |
| roy_1 | and now the thieves rule it | Oct 03 11:47 |
| roy_1 | Bloomberg and his mates in WS | Oct 03 11:47 |
| roy_1 | It's like Gotham city, but not renamed | Oct 03 11:47 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: Scandinavia probably well ahead of Canada | Oct 03 11:48 |
| prurigro | which? | Oct 03 11:48 |
| prurigro | ahead in which* | Oct 03 11:48 |
| roy_1 | Denmark | Oct 03 11:48 |
| roy_1 | Their academic output is impressive | Oct 03 11:48 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/10/03/portuguese-government-bye-bye-wintel/ | Oct 03 11:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Portuguese government: Bye-bye Wintel | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/ftmsv ] | Oct 03 11:48 |
| prurigro | roy_1: ahh, well, I guess it depends whether you trust Time http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/27/and-the-worlds-most-educated-country-is/ | Oct 03 11:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | newsfeed.time.com | And the World’s Most Educated Country Is… | TIME.com [ http://ur1.ca/ftmtf ] | Oct 03 11:50 |
| prurigro | (and other publications that printed the same story) | Oct 03 11:50 |
| gulag2013 | Wait a tick, United States is #4? I would have imagined it much lower. Good going Canadians! | Oct 03 11:53 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: hmm yeah, I guess we can thank community colleges down there eh? those are actually priced to allow people to pay off the debt eventually right? | Oct 03 11:54 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: depends how you measure it | Oct 03 11:54 |
| roy_1 | Time is PROPAGANDA | Oct 03 11:54 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, it's still way to expensive. | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | as anyone with life experience knows | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | Time is one of the worst | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | US higher education is excellent | Oct 03 11:55 |
| prurigro | roy_1: its measured based on the % of the population with post secondary education | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | but | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | you have to count only the top schools | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | Europeans too would go there | Oct 03 11:55 |
| prurigro | US higher education is ridiculously expensive without a scholarship | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | and no unis in the EU except few (Oxbridge for example) can compete with the redbrick US unis that attract students who are brightest in India, China, and become leaders in such nations | Oct 03 11:56 |
| prurigro | you can go to school, rent an apartment and eat for the year here for less than the US charges to go in the first place, and its still considered pretty pricey up here | Oct 03 11:56 |
| gulag2013 | You can't write off Student loan debt. | Oct 03 11:57 |
| roy_1 | The US would also rank high amond Western nations for stupidity | Oct 03 11:57 |
| roy_1 | lots of lower class there | Oct 03 11:57 |
| roy_1 | no middle | Oct 03 11:57 |
| roy_1 | literacy is high in the US because the lang is easy in relative terms and there's only one language | Oct 03 11:58 |
| prurigro | the lower class is likely at fault for not scoring better on that comparison | Oct 03 11:58 |
| prurigro | there's also manditory schooling for both sexes | Oct 03 11:58 |
| prurigro | that itself does a lot | Oct 03 11:58 |
| roy_1 | In countries that have many well ecucated people the working class comes from abroad | Oct 03 11:58 |
| roy_1 | Like in Singapore | Oct 03 11:58 |
| roy_1 | So that gives a better meaure of % that is well educated | Oct 03 11:59 |
| roy_1 | South Korea might be also, but also high on suicide rates | Oct 03 11:59 |
| prurigro | sorth korea has a different style of education- same with china | Oct 03 11:59 |
| prurigro | more acheivement based | Oct 03 11:59 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: only compared to non-Western nations, about 90% of the world | Oct 03 11:59 |
| gulag2013 | Sigh, what are the reasons for the suicides? | Oct 03 12:00 |
| prurigro | they're worked wayyy too hard | Oct 03 12:00 |
| prurigro | and their entire life revolves around school | Oct 03 12:00 |
| prurigro | imagine failing when the only thing measuring the value of your life as far as anyone you know is concerned is school | Oct 03 12:00 |
| prurigro | their social time with friends are often in the form of study groups, and they join clubs to allot time away from studying | Oct 03 12:02 |
| gulag2013 | That is awful. We are all trained from an early age competition. It sounds even worse SK | Oct 03 12:02 |
| prurigro | yeah, SK is one of the worst from what I've read | Oct 03 12:02 |
| prurigro | apparently university is really easy, in contrast, assuming they have the marks to get in | Oct 03 12:03 |
| prurigro | and sometimes this causes students to crash, not having constant work to do | Oct 03 12:03 |
| prurigro | maybe that's why so many people end up into serious gaming | Oct 03 12:03 |
| prurigro | high reward activity they can focus on when there's nothing else to do | Oct 03 12:04 |
| gulag2013 | So you are talking more about dopamine ? Is the gaming free will? | Oct 03 12:05 |
| prurigro | the dopamine system is very complex and is involved in all sorts of short term and delayed reward type behavious | Oct 03 12:06 |
| prurigro | there's also no such thing as free will | Oct 03 12:06 |
| gulag2013 | No free will for the Gamers, or in general? Can you clarify? | Oct 03 12:09 |
| prurigro | in general | Oct 03 12:09 |
| prurigro | how could there be free will? actions are either cause and effect, or they're random | Oct 03 12:10 |
| gulag2013 | Now you are making me think. :). I meant that I personally have choices and I'm not being forced to participate in an activity or face pain and injury. | Oct 03 12:12 |
| prurigro | you definitely have choices, but those choices are decided by a complex network of chain reactions occuring in your body and brain | Oct 03 12:13 |
| prurigro | if you hit rewind on time and stopped at yesterday, then hit play, everything would happen the exact same as it did the first time | Oct 03 12:14 |
| prurigro | all the same variables are in place and physics still work the same, so everything will play out just as it had previously | Oct 03 12:15 |
| prurigro | not that time exists as we understand it | Oct 03 12:15 |
| prurigro | but we're talking about our own experience of things so I think we can speak as though it did | Oct 03 12:15 |
| MinceR | that's one view of things | Oct 03 12:16 |
| prurigro | I'm open to counter arguments :) | Oct 03 12:16 |
| MinceR | for example, as far as i know, nuclear decay is still an unpredictable process | Oct 03 12:17 |
| prurigro | I mean, we're assuming reality exists as we're seemingly able to meausure it, for some of the more far reaching statements, but that said, I've yet to hear anyone describe a possible universe where free will could be true | Oct 03 12:17 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385718132427722752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385718553472958464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385719339464531968 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385721706062819328 | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Portuguese government set on increasing use of open source https://t.co/6Su3L7sF0r more jobs for FOSS experts there. #portugal | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> joinup.ec.europa.eu | Portuguese government set on increasing use of open source | Joinup | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "London School of Economics...urging the UK Government to look beyond the lobbying efforts of " MAFIAA http://t.co/Jh8APGIfnh | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isn’t Killing The Entertainment Industry, Scholars Show | TorrentFreak | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Rather than 'teach' people specific SW tools, train them Free SW repos. Rather than have them memorise menus, give them free apps lists. | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: BT thinks that E-mail addresses with just one character before the @ sign are not valid E-mail addresses. Are they hiring IT-savvy people? | Oct 03 12:17 |
| MinceR | it may be entirely deterministic or not | Oct 03 12:17 |
| prurigro | MinceR: free will requires randomness first of all | Oct 03 12:17 |
| MinceR | afaik there is randomness in certain processes | Oct 03 12:17 |
| MinceR | also, some determinists seem to define free will differently | Oct 03 12:17 |
| prurigro | but they've actually mapped previously random quantum physical processes to predictable system, recently | Oct 03 12:18 |
| MinceR | there also seems to be undecidedness in some processes | Oct 03 12:18 |
| MinceR | url? | Oct 03 12:18 |
| prurigro | getting... | Oct 03 12:19 |
| prurigro | https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/ | Oct 03 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.simonsfoundation.org | Physicists Discover Geometry Underlying Particle Physics | Simons Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/fmpls ] | Oct 03 12:19 |
| MinceR | i remember reading about this but i don't remember anything about it proving determinism | Oct 03 12:20 |
| prurigro | top comment here summarizes it nicely http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1mpdh1/physicists_have_discovered_a_jewellike_geometric/ | Oct 03 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.reddit.com | Physicists have discovered a jewel-like geometric object that dramatically simplifies calculations of particle interactions and challenges the notion that space and time are fundamental components of reality. : Futurology [ http://ur1.ca/ftn4v ] | Oct 03 12:20 |
| MinceR | i'll re-read | Oct 03 12:20 |
| prurigro | it doesn't prove determinism, but it explains what was previously seen as an example of randomness | Oct 03 12:20 |
| prurigro | future random behaviour could still be uncovered disproving determinsm, of course-- the door never closes because we can never be sure we know everything about everything :) | Oct 03 12:21 |
| MinceR | it was previously already known that the behavior of larger number of particles together is less weird to us and seems more deterministic | Oct 03 12:22 |
| prurigro | that said, determinsm or not, randomness is not free will anymore than determinism | Oct 03 12:22 |
| MinceR | i think that randomness by itself is sufficient for free will | Oct 03 12:22 |
| MinceR | (as in the two being indistinguishable for an outside observer) | Oct 03 12:22 |
| prurigro | randomness implies rewinding time won't necessarily end up back at this moment when you hit play again, it doesn't mean someone has the ability to rise above causality and make a truly free choice, just that one choice was selected or another | Oct 03 12:24 |
| MinceR | the whole point of randomness is that something doesn't entirely depend on causes | Oct 03 12:25 |
| prurigro | that said, this new model encompases the past, present 'and' future in modelling the outcome, so if the future is undecided, I wonder how this could be the case | Oct 03 12:25 |
| MinceR | you know that a nucleus is unstable and you still won't be able to predict when it will decay | Oct 03 12:25 |
| MinceR | well, certain physical processes were already independent on the arrow of time | Oct 03 12:26 |
| MinceR | s/t on/t of/ | Oct 03 12:26 |
| prurigro | you're argueing determinsm, which I think is probably the case but can't be 100% sure (and thereore I agree to an extent), but I'm talking free will, which implies something like deterministic choice making without the determinism, which I feel almost definitely doesn't exist (or at least the mechanism for a possible example of how this would work hasn't been described to me) | Oct 03 12:27 |
| prurigro | an inability to predict doesn't preclude random events | Oct 03 12:27 |
| MinceR | that does seem to be an impossible definition | Oct 03 12:28 |
| MinceR | but i wouldn't define free will that way | Oct 03 12:28 |
| prurigro | there are certainly more than one definition in philosophy | Oct 03 12:29 |
| prurigro | I suppose you'd be what this wiki article calls a "compatibilist" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will | Oct 03 12:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Free will - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 03 12:29 |
| MinceR | i'm actually unsure of physical determinism being true | Oct 03 12:30 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if i've thought about whether determinism would preclude free will :) | Oct 03 12:31 |
| prurigro | I feel like compatibilism renders the idea of free will to simply be a more in depth description of "decision" and "choice" though | Oct 03 12:31 |
| prurigro | and well, I mean, "free will as unpredictability" uses some bad foundations, but I don't think the ideas it poses are necessarily so different from your nuclear decay example | Oct 03 12:32 |
| prurigro | I agree with "Free will as a pragmatically useful concept" too, I mean, we can't operate as if we lack it, even if we in fact do | Oct 03 12:34 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if we can do anything with the concept of free will at this level anyway | Oct 03 12:34 |
| MinceR | we'll just do what we do and experience it as acting freely or not | Oct 03 12:35 |
| prurigro | yeah, which is basically what the pragmatism theory states | Oct 03 12:35 |
| MinceR | maybe if we somehow prove determinism or nondeterminism, we will be able to grasp the idea better | Oct 03 12:35 |
| prurigro | its more like how Decartes described solipsism; a useful mental excercise to understand where things stand, but not something you'd actively enable the use of in your life | Oct 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | they did say it was philosophy :> | Oct 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | that's true | Oct 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | and yet solipsism may be true | Oct 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | (it's just that fact (if it is) won't be practically useful) | Oct 03 12:36 |
| prurigro | it certainly is, if you want a logical definition of what we can know | Oct 03 12:37 |
| prurigro | yp | Oct 03 12:37 |
| prurigro | yup* | Oct 03 12:37 |
| prurigro | but it's good to know what we can know when looking at other things-- it's a good foundation for science, for example | Oct 03 12:37 |
| prurigro | something 'proven' is only proven based on the foundation of assumptions that were required for that proof | Oct 03 12:37 |
| MinceR | yes, but some (or all) of those assumptions might be empirical data | Oct 03 12:38 |
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| prurigro | yup, which are based on some pretty core assumptions that we've generally decided to assume as 'fact' | Oct 03 12:39 |
| prurigro | if it turns out reality is a simulation with some hilarious values plugged into the physics variables, we'll realize those assumptions aren't the case, and more likely if we find that elsewhere in the universe what we currently think of as static values turn out to be variables we can edit the model | Oct 03 12:41 |
| MinceR | they will be true about the contents of the simulation, at least for some time | Oct 03 12:41 |
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| prurigro | yup- and to be honest, either way, the values we're interacting with allow us to manipulate what we see as reality, so they're useful regardless of their universal truth | Oct 03 12:43 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 03 12:43 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtWxLACVXr8 | Oct 03 13:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bryan Cranston - Malcolm in the middle - I'm so full of bacon - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ftnov ] | Oct 03 13:24 |
| *DaemonFC wished that Fedora would package some decent GTK3 themes. | Oct 03 13:34 | |
| *DaemonFC wonders if anyone ported Nimbus or Nodoka... | Oct 03 13:34 | |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385739794938351616 | Oct 03 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Patent Reform Drafted, Addressing Wrong Matters, Unlikely to Resolve Litigation Epidemic http://t.co/WPzNCO4kkg #swpats #politics | Oct 03 13:46 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385744701154140160 | Oct 03 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Patent Reform Drafted, Addressing Wrong Matters, Unlikely to Resolve Litigation Epidemic | Techrights | Oct 03 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft’s Monopoly is Not Sustainable, Monopolist and Monopoly Abuser Bill Gates is Being Pushed Out http://t.co/dVLMKfrgpC | Oct 03 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Monopoly is Not Sustainable, Monopolist and Monopoly Abuser Bill Gates is Being Pushed Out | Techrights | Oct 03 13:47 |
| iophk | http://www.zdnet.com/ex-microsoft-privacy-advisor-i-dont-trust-microsoft-thanks-to-prism-7000021443/ | Oct 03 13:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy advisor: I don't trust Microsoft, thanks to PRISM | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ftnzn ] | Oct 03 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | The brakes on my car haven't been quite right ever since the shop "fixed" them. | Oct 03 14:06 |
| *DaemonFC should probably check his brake fluid level today. | Oct 03 14:06 | |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754090221096960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754458711654400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754834168983552 | Oct 03 14:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The balconies galore http://t.co/pgWlqZO7Cf | Oct 03 14:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Trans Pacific Partnership a euphemism for attack on partnerships of people across the Pacific https://t.co/KhuySj5iZk | Oct 03 14:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bieber http://t.co/iD4f7mXDKe | Oct 03 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to keep expenses down. | Oct 03 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably be saving back for a newer car for at least 8-12 months. | Oct 03 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still trying to get a feel for what I should buy. | Oct 03 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | $2,000 doesn't buy anything decent anymore. | Oct 03 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | I've never spent more than $2,000 for a car. | Oct 03 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | I was about to move in on a 1999 Mercury Sable LS last month. Someone had obviously kept it garaged. No rust, dents, dings, scratches. Only put 90,000 miles on it. | Oct 03 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | It was gone before I could even call about it. :P | Oct 03 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | Those deals don't spring up very often. When they do, they're almost always sold before you can even call about it. | Oct 03 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4101891839.html | Oct 03 14:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1998 Pontiac Bonneville 3800 series 2 [ http://ur1.ca/ftojb ] | Oct 03 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's questionable... | Oct 03 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | " no check engine light or any other light on since I put it together. I have a snap-on scanner if you want to check." | Oct 03 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | So there's the possibility that the Check Engine light was on, but he hooked up the scanner and cleared the code. | Oct 03 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously clearing the code doesn't fix the problem. The light will come back on at some point, but the Check Engine light will probably go away long enough to sell the car to someone. | Oct 03 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | When my 1995 Chevrolet Corsica was getting ready to throw a rod, I poured some lucas oil additive in and that made it quiet down long enough to sell it to Gonad The Barbarian's daughter. | Oct 03 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | He was fucking pissed at me when the car broke down on her two weeks later. | Oct 03 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | But I had already cashed the check she had written me. | Oct 03 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | She filed a lawsuit against me in small claims court, but I told the judge that the sale was "as-is". I even showed him the bill of sale that she had signed that said "This vehicle is being sold as-is with no warranty included or implied." | Oct 03 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | He ended up ruling in my favor. | Oct 03 15:01 |
| roy_1 | LMAO | Oct 03 15:02 |
| roy_1 | Gonad tghe | Oct 03 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | That was a nice little car while it lasted. | Oct 03 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | it got me around for a few years | Oct 03 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | The 3.1 liter V6 in a "compact car". | Oct 03 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't feel cramped. I'm 6' 4" and I was very comfortable in it. | Oct 03 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | GM had to discontinue them after 1996 because the federal government decided that they weren't safe enough. | Oct 03 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Well, isn't that really for the buyer to decide? | Oct 03 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | They let alot of very unsafe vehicles get sold every day. | Oct 03 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | That Jeep Liberty that my aunt drove rolled over eight times and killed her. | Oct 03 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | I would never drive something that rode that high above the ground. | Oct 03 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | The center of gravity makes it a rollover hazard. | Oct 03 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | I think they still make them though. | Oct 03 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | The one she drove was a 2007. That was the year that Jeep lowered them by like an inch because the government was concerned about the rollover problem. | Oct 03 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | So they obviously did not fix that by lowering it an inch. | Oct 03 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | The government allows car manufacturers to make and sell death traps all the time. | Oct 03 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | Now they're trying to convince people to go sub-compact because of gas prices. | Oct 03 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather pay a little bit more for gas and actually have some vehicle surrounding me if I get into an accident. | Oct 03 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are, because you can't control what other people are doing. | Oct 03 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | You go to Fort Wayne or Indianapolis and people drive like maniacs. | Oct 03 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | They'll change lanes without signaling with about two inches to spare. | Oct 03 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | People are fucking dumb. | Oct 03 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I really want a Crown Vic or something about that size. | Oct 03 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | The vehicle can be replaced. I'd rather that the vehicle gets destroyed saving my life. | Oct 03 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | I can always worry about the money later. | Oct 03 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | Walk away from the accident today and sue the crap out of their insurance company tomorrow. | Oct 03 15:11 |
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| DaemonFC | My bank is pissing me off. | Oct 03 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | I might switch banks today | Oct 03 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | Mom keeps telling me to join her credit union. That's not going to happen. | Oct 03 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | They'd charge me $72 a year just to have an account. | Oct 03 15:46 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/385785225915412480 https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/385785456258187264 | Oct 03 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @eee_eff: @schestowitz curious where this is... | Oct 03 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @eee_eff: @schestowitz curious where this was taken...? | Oct 03 16:44 |
| roy_1 | maybe computer-generated? | Oct 03 16:44 |
| iophk | (12.57.33) roy_1: [10:49] <gulag2013> That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSD | Oct 03 16:44 |
| iophk | http://www.bsdnow.tv/about | Oct 03 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bsdnow.tv | About | BSD Now | Oct 03 16:44 |
| iophk | Maybe he should move on from the Linux show. | Oct 03 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | roy_1, http://www.paulrichardgm.com/VehicleDetails/used-2002-LINCOLN-Town_Car-4dr_Sdn_Sig.-Peru-IN/2076281253 | Oct 03 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.paulrichardgm.com | 2002 LINCOLN Town Car for sale in Peru - 1LNHM82W92Y650064 - Paul-Richard GM Center [ http://ur1.ca/ftplz ] | Oct 03 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | What do you think? | Oct 03 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | Should I buy it? B-) | Oct 03 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | My mom would shit if I pulled up in a Lincoln Town Car. | Oct 03 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's got 128,000 miles on it, but I've seen lots of cars with that engine up over 250,000. | Oct 03 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | Those big V8s are pretty resilient. | Oct 03 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | Plus it's rare to find a Town Car/Crown Vic/Grand Marquis that was abused. | Oct 03 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | They don't generally appeal to young people. | Oct 03 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | People that drive these things are usually in their 70s or older. | Oct 03 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I'll go look at that Town Car if they still have it on their lot on Saturday. | Oct 03 17:09 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385803568105943041 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385799703587454976 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385795381986336768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385792080532213760 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385791986722418688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385775422778392576 | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Oldest Actively-maintained Distribution of GNU/Linux, Slackware 14.1, is Coming Soon http://t.co/hweh3Ahbkt #slackware #gnu #linux | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Oldest Actively-maintained Distribution of GNU/Linux, Slackware 14.1, is Coming Soon | Techrights | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: ‘Microsoft Linux’ (aka SUSE) No Longer a Threat to Red Hat http://t.co/0Y7w19LDJx #redhat #suse #novell | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | ‘Microsoft Linux’ (aka SUSE) No Longer a Threat to Red Hat | Techrights | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fedora Turns 10, Release 20 Approaches http://t.co/y0MXvg66Pt #fedora #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Fedora Turns 10, Release 20 Approaches | Techrights | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Don’t Buy GNU/Linux, Tizen, or Android From Samsung http://t.co/8FOMSgDNcs #linux #tizen #android | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Don’t Buy GNU/Linux, Tizen, or Android From Samsung | Techrights | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Spam and phishing pretending to be from LinkedIn finally seem to outpace spam from LinkedIn itself (the site that's a mess in one's inbox) | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Even Microsoft Chief (Departed) Admits That Microsoft is a Very Serious Violator of Privacy http://t.co/na2Ft8Ush3 #privacy #nsa | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Even Microsoft Chief (Departed) Admits That Microsoft is a Very Serious Violator of Privacy | Techrights | Oct 03 17:30 |
| iophk | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/10/lowering-your-standards | Oct 03 17:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eff.org | Lowering Your Standards: DRM and the Future of the W3C | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/fth2s ] | Oct 03 17:54 |
| Sosumi | yay samsung, I wouldn't buy their stuff nor any other android device with a fork of android | Oct 03 17:57 |
| Sosumi | simply because I don't know what kind of telemetry tools the manufacturer as put on the thing | Oct 03 17:58 |
| Sosumi | not that I like android, but at least the thing is free soft and the nexus things come with the bootloader unlocked... | Oct 03 17:59 |
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| Sosumi | actually, I don't like cell phones at all, netbook with umts/lte modem > all | Oct 03 18:00 |
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| sebsebseb | join #unity-coders | Oct 03 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | nope nothing to do with Canonial Ubuntu Unty ^ | Oct 03 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | or that Unity 3D thing | Oct 03 18:10 |
| Sosumi | buuu, mark shutleworm | Oct 03 18:10 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134992 | Oct 03 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Bieber http://31.media.tumblr.com/e34f801846cd44e824e56c6ce3396ee0/tumblr_mtr5mqjLxW1rf38dto1_500.png | Oct 03 18:10 |
| roy_1 | "You know in french Justin Bieber can be pronounced "Juste Imbibé" (say "Just um bibé") (in english : "just soaked") which means "just drunk" :D" | Oct 03 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: near you later this mnth again or kind of | Oct 03 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | Liverpool | Oct 03 18:11 |
| roy_1 | so come to manc | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: probably not | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | train already going to be expensie | Oct 03 18:12 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128938 | Oct 03 18:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #beliefs #atheist | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | going to Liverpool and bac | Oct 03 18:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by pritam@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_1f0c135ff816d5799ae0.png | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | and hotel will be expeise to | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: come to OGG Camp maybe :d | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: http://oggcamp.org | Oct 03 18:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | oggcamp.org | OggCamp | Oct 03 18:13 |
| roy_1 | "Why worry about commenting on other people's opinions on D*? Get over it, you weakling. ;-)" | Oct 03 18:13 |
| iophk | "It's just surprising and disappointing to see the W3C and its Director gamble against the precedent of their own success, as well as the fears and consciences of so many of their colleagues." | Oct 03 18:21 |
| iophk | old - https://lkml.org/lkml/2001/12/18/246 | Oct 03 18:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lkml.org | LKML: Alan Cox: Re: [OT] DRM OS | Oct 03 18:41 |
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| roy_1 | got | Oct 03 18:43 |
| roy_1 | question | Oct 03 18:44 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 03 18:44 |
| roy_1 | why is it that in kubuntu 13.04 firefox and thunderbird sometimes don't have spellcheck as you ty | Oct 03 18:45 |
| roy_1 | It's a known bug in older versions | Oct 03 18:45 |
| roy_1 | and i preserved old settings | Oct 03 18:45 |
| iophk | I stopped using KDE a while back, I'm passing though an LXDE phase. | Oct 03 18:46 |
| roy_1 | I tried all sorts of things, behaviour is not even consistent, sometimes it works. sometimes (most of the time) not | Oct 03 18:46 |
| iophk | Does it happen even in other apps? | Oct 03 18:46 |
| iophk | Maybe also in a simple text editor. | Oct 03 18:46 |
| roy_1 | also, gtk GUI (coarse) in Firefox | Oct 03 18:47 |
| roy_1 | In some sites Firefox behaves OK | Oct 03 18:47 |
| roy_1 | Anyway, I am still adjusting to this new system | Oct 03 18:47 |
| iophk | Did you get the apps added ok? | Oct 03 18:48 |
| roy_1 | qt apps like kate work well | Oct 03 18:48 |
| roy_1 | ah! | Oct 03 18:50 |
| roy_1 | I've solved it for Firefox | Oct 03 18:50 |
| roy_1 | odd checkbox | Oct 03 18:50 |
| roy_1 | Let's try thunderbird | Oct 03 18:51 |
| iophk | Why was the problem intermittent? Which checkbox? | Oct 03 18:51 |
| roy_1 | wrote 7 posts today, but still spending days on many other things | Oct 03 18:51 |
| roy_1 | need to choose a dictionary | Oct 03 18:51 |
| roy_1 | oh | Oct 03 18:53 |
| roy_1 | and to make it more fscked up | Oct 03 18:53 |
| roy_1 | in thunderbird the spellchecker always works OK in subject line | Oct 03 18:53 |
| roy_1 | a complete reversal compared to old versions | Oct 03 18:53 |
| roy_1 | where thunderbird didn't have the ability to do this | Oct 03 18:53 |
| roy_1 | having seen my colleague sending off a message to a client saying "hell andrew" today (not Hello), I do need this fixed | Oct 03 18:54 |
| iophk | Thunderbird->Preferences->Composition->Spelling->Enable spell check as you type should have done it but it doesn't | Oct 03 18:58 |
| roy_1 | yes, but if only this was the issue... | Oct 03 19:08 |
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| roy_1 | There are many bug reprots and reported fixes like https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/945769 | Oct 03 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | support.mozilla.org | Spell Check is not working, still...... | Firefox Support Forum | Mozilla Support [ http://ur1.ca/ftqts ] | Oct 03 19:09 |
| roy_1 | YouTube broke the video downloaders again | Oct 03 19:09 |
| roy_1 | moving goalposts | Oct 03 19:10 |
| roy_1 | will post your EFF link re DRM | Oct 03 19:10 |
| iophk | caching and autoplay are messed up too in Youtube | Oct 03 19:10 |
| iophk | There was some news a while back about the DRM, but it looks like nothing has changed since then. | Oct 03 19:11 |
| iophk | T B-L of all people used to be for an open web. He designed it that way and defended that design up until recently. | Oct 03 19:11 |
| roy_1 | I thinkl | Oct 03 19:11 |
| roy_1 | Android tends to serve via html5 | Oct 03 19:11 |
| roy_1 | the Web is getting more messy in some areas though | Oct 03 19:12 |
| iophk | FirefoxOS will use HTML5 apps | Oct 03 19:12 |
| roy_1 | changed dictionaries, restarts, works now? | Oct 03 19:14 |
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| *roy_1 is now known as schestowitz_bed | Oct 03 19:20 | |
| Sosumi | when does the US default on it's debt? drama is getting nauseating | Oct 03 19:27 |
| MinceR | i think it's going to take quite a bit of thrashing | Oct 03 19:27 |
| Sosumi | no MMA? | Oct 03 19:28 |
| Sosumi | obama vs X | Oct 03 19:28 |
| Sosumi | joking aside, how many will suffer from beneficts cuts? | Oct 03 19:29 |
| schestowitz_bed | they can't cut benefit | Oct 03 19:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | it would rile up well armed people | Oct 03 19:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | more militias | Oct 03 19:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | The plutocrats need to appease those people with at least soup kiutchen | Oct 03 19:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | or flee the country to their second home overseas | Oct 03 19:30 |
| Sosumi | I see | Oct 03 19:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | or make the unemployed join the army | Oct 03 19:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | which post-wikileaks era is harder, people are better informed | Oct 03 19:31 |
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| schestowitz_bed | they turns against their government and those who run it (buy congress), not other races and immigrants, as Rupert Murdoch's Fox 'news' wants them tpo | Oct 03 19:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | (sorry for typos, not sitting down) | Oct 03 19:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | !google ag holder worries anti government | Oct 03 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - AG Holder: Americans Not Worried Enough About Home-Grown ... | http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/14649-ag-holder-americans-not-worried-enough-about-home-grown-terrorists | Oct 03 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - AG Holder's 'see no evil' Muslim dilemma » Fresh Ink -- GOPUSA | http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2013/05/02/ag-holders-see-no-evil-muslim-dilemma/ | Oct 03 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Dimon meets with AG Holder over DOJ probe | Crain's New York ... | http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130926/FINANCE/130929919 | Oct 03 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Politico: AG Holder Now Untouchable - Breitbart | http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/19/Politico-AG-Holder-Now-Untouchable | Oct 03 19:32 |
| Sosumi | well, the shadow gov will keep things rolling while the drama play goes on | Oct 03 19:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | see [1] above | Oct 03 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=605962 | Oct 03 19:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | boards.straightdope.com | Has anyone ever owned a Lincoln Town car? Did you like it - Straight Dope Message Board [ http://ur1.ca/ftr4h ] | Oct 03 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | "handling of a small ocean liner" | Oct 03 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 03 19:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | he calls unrest terrorism | Oct 03 19:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | already calling USians "terrorists" | Oct 03 19:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | I guess that's how he justifies droning at least 4 USians. 3 by accident | Oct 03 19:33 |
| Sosumi | *facepalm* public unrest is a reflection of the crap the politicians and wall St do | Oct 03 19:34 |
| Sosumi | and well, dupping mentally chalenged folks | Oct 03 19:36 |
| Sosumi | more canon fodder for the prison industrial complex | Oct 03 19:36 |
| Sosumi | will the new US assembled mac pro be shipped from a prison near you? lol | Oct 03 19:38 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-03/shots-fired-near-us-capitol-lockdown-mode | Oct 03 19:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Shots Fired Near US Capitol; Capitol In Lockdown; ‘Shelter in Place’ Ordered in - Live Feed | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/ftr6v ] | Oct 03 19:40 |
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| Sosumi | who let the lsd guy out? | Oct 03 19:49 |
| Sosumi | with a gun :/ | Oct 03 19:50 |
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| Sosumi | http://screendwellers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/TheyLive1041111.jpg | Oct 03 20:45 |
| Sosumi | everything's ok now | Oct 03 20:45 |
| Sosumi | http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/NATL-Shots-Fired-at-Nations-Capitol-226341941.html | Oct 03 20:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.nbcwashington.com | Shots Fired Near Nation's Capitol | NBC4 Washington [ http://ur1.ca/ftrqj ] | Oct 03 20:46 |
| Sosumi | "lockdown" lifted | Oct 03 20:47 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/03/iphone_5s_motion_sensors_are_totally_screwed_up/ | Oct 03 20:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - iPhone 5S Motion Sensors Are Totally Screwed Up [ http://ur1.ca/ftrqv ] | Oct 03 20:48 |
| Sosumi | that's what happens when you're on LSD | Oct 03 20:48 |
| Sosumi | that and Helvetica Neue | Oct 03 20:48 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter, they'll buy it anyway | Oct 03 21:07 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 03 22:20 |
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