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| iophk | http://nypost.com/2013/10/04/undercover-cop-stood-by-as-bikers-beat-dad/ | Oct 05 08:56 |
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| iophk | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/nvidia-cripples-linux-drivers-windows/14883 | Oct 05 09:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | Nvidia cripples Linux drivers because of Windows - Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/fu7qj ] | Oct 05 09:19 |
| iophk | Yet another reason closed, proprietary drivers have to go. | Oct 05 09:20 |
| iophk | pushing Matt Asay: http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2013/10/02/open-source-is-good-and-all-but-proprietary-is-still-winning/ | Oct 05 09:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Open Source Is Good And All, But Proprietary Is Still Winning - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/fu7r5 ] | Oct 05 09:21 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | meh | Oct 05 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: iny major news we missed? I am still far far behind, with thousands of unread headlines | Oct 05 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | *any | Oct 05 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I am still not sure how to proceed | Oct 05 09:42 |
| iophk | not much lately | Oct 05 09:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | One option is, scrape old stuff, catch up with what's latest | Oct 05 09:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | the other option is, deal with all Sept. news even a month late provided it's relevant | Oct 05 09:43 |
| iophk | an unarmed woman was gunned down in DC and the papers are spinning it like it was her fault. The actions leading up to the shooting are weird but she was out of the car when it happened. | Oct 05 09:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | This increases the liklihood of identifying important news, even if it's dealt with a month late | Oct 05 09:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Not been keeping up with NSA, CIA, drones, etc. | Oct 05 09:44 |
| iophk | Maybe you can work backwards through the queue starting with the latest. | Oct 05 09:44 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Not a priority right now. | Oct 05 09:44 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Yes, that's what I've been doing | Oct 05 09:44 |
| iophk | The items that age well will still be there when you get to them. | Oct 05 09:44 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Maybe I can catch up by xmas :-) | Oct 05 09:44 |
| iophk | There's probably no way to cover it all anyway. | Oct 05 09:44 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Just added some ad banners for the host of TR | Oct 05 09:45 |
| iophk | I don't see the banners on the main page. | Oct 05 09:45 |
| iophk | BTW the "latest stories" feed is still broken but you know that still.. | Oct 05 09:45 |
| iophk | GNU 30th got surprisingly little coverage. | Oct 05 09:46 |
| iophk | I think the 25h anniversary got more. | Oct 05 09:46 |
| iophk | IIRC | Oct 05 09:46 |
| iophk | There's been a fair amount of discussion of the Silk Road take down. | Oct 05 09:51 |
| iophk | Most of it is still speculation | Oct 05 09:51 |
| iophk | and all the possibilities have included the probability of "parallel construction" even if it is not named explicitly | Oct 05 09:52 |
| iophk | Not named (that I see) is the role of dangerous and insecure methods like IRC in breaking the case. | Oct 05 09:52 |
| iophk | I figure the ease with which it helps track people is one of the driving forces in popularizing IRC. | Oct 05 09:55 |
| iophk | Also its ephemeral nature means that any clever, insightful or informative discussion that might actually happen is lost. | Oct 05 09:59 |
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| iophk | On the web it sticks around a bit longer, usually at least until the site goes under with a new owner. | Oct 05 10:08 |
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| iophk | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/nsa_using_firefox_flaw_to_snoop_on_tor_users/ | Oct 05 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theregister.co.uk | NSA using Firefox flaw to snoop on Tor users • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/fu8bc ] | Oct 05 10:48 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | LOL http://25.media.tumblr.com/d07ad1926cbf2939193c10fdbd31d4f6/tumblr_msgr6pnFnM1reysmlo1_250.gif | Oct 05 10:53 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 05 13:46 |
| gulag2013 | Silk Road got hit? | Oct 05 13:56 |
| gulag2013 | I wouldn't know anything about that, if it wasn't for Adam Curry talking about ordering drugs from there. | Oct 05 13:57 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3141095 | Oct 05 16:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA using Firefox flaw to snoop on Tor users http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/nsa_using_firefox_flaw_to_snoop_on_tor_users/ #tor #nsa #cracking #surveillance | Oct 05 16:02 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The Register really sucks these days. This article is misleading and incomplete. | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | First off, the problem with the Torbundle browser was Windows only. Wired Called out Windows in article about an FBI attack on TOR networks, what's wrong with The Register these days? As Techrights noted, using TOR on Windows is Epic Failure. | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Recently, a Windows botner doubled the number of Tor nodes. Oh yeah, they published an article about that but left out the Windows and Microsoft keywords, so they know better. Given that GCHQ's goal is to expand the number of compromised nodes, people we should suspect criminal government activity for it. | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/09/malware_culprit_fingered_in_mysterious_tor_traffic_spike/ | Oct 05 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theregister.co.uk | Malware culprit fingered in mysterious Tor traffic spike • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/fuady ] | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://techrights.org/2013/08/07/windows-with-tor/ | Oct 05 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Using Windows With TOR is Like Wearing Makeup to Dodge CCTV | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fuadz ] | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/ | Oct 05 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fiz5d ] | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Firefox gets a bad name for being used on Windows. | Oct 05 16:04 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3141607 | Oct 05 16:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux was a replacement for GNU Hurd, not the other way around http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Kernel-Replacement-GNU-Hurd-0-5-Released-After-16-Years-387510.shtml | Oct 05 16:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel Replacement, GNU Hurd 0.5, Released After 16 Years [ http://ur1.ca/fuae6 ] | Oct 05 16:05 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "What advantages does Hurd provide over Linux?" | Oct 05 16:05 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | microkernel, gplv3-licensed | Oct 05 16:05 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: http://fossforce.com/2013/10/microsoft-five-years-road/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=microsoft-five-years-road | Oct 05 16:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Microsoft Five Years Down the Road - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/fuagu ] | Oct 05 16:14 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | lots of nonsense there | Oct 05 16:14 |
| Sosumi | in a perfect world, M$ five years down the road = filling for bankruptcy | Oct 05 17:07 |
| MinceR | in a perfect world, it would have never existed :> | Oct 05 17:28 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/386529120081182720 | Oct 05 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @jmcest: Rotten Walled Garden Fruit RT @schestowitz Nvidia cripples Linux drivers bc of Windows http://t.co/iymh71eCZZ #microsoft ruins everything | Oct 05 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.muktware.com | Nvidia cripples Linux drivers because of Windows - Muktware | Oct 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/PowerEnhanced/status/386530331198631937 | Oct 05 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @PowerEnhanced: @schestowitz: women are permitted to exclude men, but they scream a lot when men exclude women... I endorse both options. | Oct 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137537 | Oct 05 18:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: "All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry." | Oct 05 18:09 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Dr Roy, Dawkins has been retreating from the 'selfish gene' ever since he first published the idea. It is an unscientific idea that doesn't prove anything." | Oct 05 18:09 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The regret he has is that politicians misrepresented his work to do nasty things. The title was ill chosen. | Oct 05 18:09 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "The regret he has is that politicians misrepresented his work to do nasty things. The title was ill chosen." | Oct 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Cameron - try looking it up." | Oct 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3142184 | Oct 05 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OpenLogic overlooks the risk of EULA and proprietary lock-in, antifeatures, back doors, etc. to make FOSS look bad http://www.openlogic.com/blog/bid/318553/Choosing-a-Scanning-Solution-The-Cost-of-a-Mis-Hire | Oct 05 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.openlogic.com | Choosing a Scanning Solution – The Cost of a "Mis-Hire" [ http://ur1.ca/fubkx ] | Oct 05 19:23 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "With licensed commercial code, this process is usually easier, because you only need to look for the binaries provided to you by your vendor. Easier = Impossible. It is more likely that commercial software has copied copyrighted code - the profit motive. And, of course it can then be hidden easier..." | Oct 05 19:24 |
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| iophk | http://bsdly.blogspot.ca/2013/10/the-hail-mary-cloud-and-lessons-learned.html | Oct 05 20:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | bsdly.blogspot.ca | That grumpy BSD guy: The Hail Mary Cloud And The Lessons Learned [ http://ur1.ca/fubjk ] | Oct 05 20:10 |
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| Sosumi | the problem is that M$ was a necessary evil just like the Symbolics vs Lisp Machines war was necessary | Oct 05 21:39 |
| Sosumi | and Unix being out of reach of the common folk | Oct 05 21:39 |
| Sosumi | for things like the GNU project and linux to come out | Oct 05 21:39 |
| Sosumi | if those events hadn't happen, well, we'd be much better now for sure | Oct 05 21:40 |
| Sosumi | but they happened | Oct 05 21:40 |
| MinceR | no, m$ was never necessary | Oct 05 21:40 |
| Sosumi | M$ just took it over from DEC | Oct 05 21:41 |
| MinceR | was DEC ever so fraudulent as m$? | Oct 05 21:41 |
| Sosumi | I wasn't alive back them to tell :) | Oct 05 21:41 |
| Sosumi | *then | Oct 05 21:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 05 21:41 |
| Sosumi | but yeah M$ is fraudulent just like apple | Oct 05 21:44 |
| Sosumi | two companies that I'd enjoy watching them crash to the ground and burn | Oct 05 21:44 |
| MinceR | so would i | Oct 05 21:45 |
| cubezzz | no, DEC was just slow | Oct 05 21:56 |
| cubezzz | trying to sell 70's era tech in the 80's | Oct 05 21:57 |
| cubezzz | but they gave use PDP's which is cool | Oct 05 21:57 |
| cubezzz | s/use/us/ | Oct 05 21:57 |
| cubezzz | some of the DEC stations were really slow, like 286 slow | Oct 05 21:58 |
| cubezzz | so the cheap x86 PCs took over | Oct 05 21:58 |
| Sosumi | yeah, but one of the key guys from DEC came to M$ | Oct 05 22:44 |
| Sosumi | and from that NT was born | Oct 05 22:44 |
| MinceR | Cutler? | Oct 05 22:44 |
| Sosumi | I guess | Oct 05 22:45 |
| MinceR | wasn't he given instructions that completely destroyed the point of the design? :> | Oct 05 22:45 |
| Sosumi | how so? | Oct 05 22:46 |
| MinceR | things like putting the window manager in the kernel "because it will be faster" (it wasn't) | Oct 05 22:46 |
| MinceR | breaking the separation between subsystems | Oct 05 22:46 |
| Sosumi | wait, NT has the window manager built into the kernel? | Oct 05 22:47 |
| MinceR | something like that | Oct 05 22:47 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 05 22:47 |
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| Sosumi | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Windows_2000_architecture.svg | Oct 05 22:55 |
| Sosumi | yeah it is there | Oct 05 22:55 |
| MinceR | and they have the gall to use the word "microkernel" in the diagram | Oct 05 22:57 |
| MinceR | maybe in the microsoft language, "micro" stands for "bloated beyond all repair" | Oct 05 22:57 |
| Sosumi | well, apple also calls XNU micro | Oct 05 22:57 |
| MinceR | two sides of the same coin | Oct 05 22:58 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Oct 05 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | They've been pushing a lot of things out of the kernel in recent Windows releases. | Oct 05 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | Some of it they had to do to make their DRM work better. | Oct 05 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 05 22:58 |
| MinceR | that's nice | Oct 05 22:58 |
| MinceR | maybe winblows will be Ready For The Desktop™ in 2030 | Oct 05 22:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 05 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | You can't reliably kill the graphics and sound drivers if they're in the kernel. | Oct 05 22:59 |
| MinceR | who knows maybe they'll rip the USB stack out of FreeBSD | Oct 05 22:59 |
| MinceR | s/ws/ws,/ | Oct 05 22:59 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 05 22:59 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/east_boston/2011/08/in_east_boston_the_last_voyage.html | Oct 05 23:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.boston.com | Your Town - Boston.com [ http://ur1.ca/fud0k ] | Oct 05 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | They spent $100,000 trying to restore the ship. Then in 2008, they found a homeless man living in it and made him leave, so the guy came back and sabotaged the ship. | Oct 05 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Obama is now threatening people on Social Security. | Oct 05 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | He's saying that retirement checks won't go out next month. | Oct 05 23:20 |
| Sosumi | Obozo could just execute an executive order demmanding all gov agencies essential | Oct 05 23:21 |
| Sosumi | and bypass congress | Oct 05 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | He should first declare that everything is essential. | Oct 05 23:21 |
| MinceR | he doesn't have the guts for that | Oct 05 23:21 |
| Sosumi | or maybe he's just playing politricks | Oct 05 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | Then he should declare that the debt ceiling is unconstitutional and ignore it. | Oct 05 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | The debt ceiling is unconstitutional and invalid. | Oct 05 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | Congress is obligated to pay for everything it enacts, under the fourteenth amendment. | Oct 05 23:22 |
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| DaemonFC | If he did that, then the Republicans would be unable to threaten a government shutdown or a default ever again. | Oct 05 23:24 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Oct 05 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | They could go back to doing little or nothing and it wouldn't matter. | Oct 05 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | The only constitutionally valid way for Congress to refuse to pay for something is by voting to repeal it and then having the President sign the bill that repeals it. | Oct 05 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | Otherwise it should be funded indefinitely. | Oct 05 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | No president has ever challenged the constitutionality of the debt ceiling, We never even had one until 1917. | Oct 05 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | Their lies about the Social Security lock box are revealed when this happens. | Oct 05 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | They claim that there's close to three trillion dollars set aside for Social Security, but then they can't actually pay anybody unless Congress authorizes more debt. | Oct 05 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | Those treasury bills that Social Security has are supposed to be payable upon demand. | Oct 05 23:28 |
| Sosumi | well, they were the guys that were all ready to "bomb, bomb, bomb" Syria and Iran | Oct 05 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | They're saying that without the ability to take on more debt, there's nothing to pay those T-bills with. | Oct 05 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | So they reveal the truth. The US government is a debt machine and without the ability to take on more debt every month, nothing can be paid. | Oct 05 23:29 |
| Sosumi | yep, just like pretty much every gov | Oct 05 23:30 |
| JimmyCarter | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/looting-the-pension-funds-20130926 | Oct 05 23:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.rollingstone.com | Looting the Pension Funds: How Wall Street Robs Public Workers | Politics News | Rolling Stone [ http://ur1.ca/fud3e ] | Oct 05 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | Sosumi, Yeah. That's just messed up. "Sorry folks, there's no money. Unless we want to start another war." | Oct 05 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | "Then there's money!" | Oct 05 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | They keep talking about deficit reduction and somehow at the same time they talk about taking on billions more in spending to bomb Syria. | Oct 05 23:31 |
| MinceR | if the debt keeps growing forever, then it's not being run properly, imo | Oct 05 23:31 |
| Sosumi | well, money for the big boys that is | Oct 05 23:31 |
| JimmyCarter | wont grow forever | Oct 05 23:31 |
| JimmyCarter | definite limits to status quo of borrowing propsperity from future | Oct 05 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it can. | Oct 05 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | As long as the money supply keeps growing and creditors tolerate that. | Oct 05 23:32 |
| Sosumi | it'll end up blowing in everyone's face | Oct 05 23:32 |
| JimmyCarter | usa currently 73% debt-to-gdp ratio says CBO | Oct 05 23:32 |
| Sosumi | portugal currently at 123% and rising :P | Oct 05 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's what the bankers want. | Oct 05 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | They want endless government red ink. | Oct 05 23:34 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Oct 05 23:34 |
| JimmyCarter | the federal income is about 10% of gdp | Oct 05 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | Every year, the public grows more indebted to bankers for programs that could easily be paid for by slight tax increases on the wealthy. | Oct 05 23:35 |
| JimmyCarter | so debt is currently at approx 7x federal income | Oct 05 23:35 |
| Sosumi | but you do know the wealthy put their money in trusts | Oct 05 23:35 |
| JimmyCarter | analogoys to someone with 100k/yr job being 700k in debt | Oct 05 23:35 |
| Sosumi | or create non profit foundations | Oct 05 23:35 |
| JimmyCarter | analogous | Oct 05 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | first comes the debt bomb | Oct 05 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | then comes the public pension looting | Oct 05 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | then comes the taxation bomb | Oct 05 23:36 |
| Sosumi | so, increasing tax on the wealthy = killing middle class | Oct 05 23:36 |
| Sosumi | also yes, pension funds raiding and bail ins | Oct 05 23:37 |
| JimmyCarter | yeah just like a credit card company, lenders are happy to collect interest | Oct 05 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it reminds me of a credit card company that says you have a $5,000 limit. | Oct 05 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | Then when you get close to that, they up it to $10,000, then $20,000. | Oct 05 23:37 |
| JimmyCarter | but lenders are anyone and everyone who buys us bonds | Oct 05 23:37 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Oct 05 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | The only time they stop increasing your limit is when they think that your ability to make the minimum payment (which doesn't get you out of debt) will be threatened. | Oct 05 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | JimmyCarter, Well, it does matter who the creditors are. | Oct 05 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously, you want your own citizens holding your public debt. | Oct 05 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Then it becomes a transfer of funds instead of bleeding money out to foreign citizens and governments. | Oct 05 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | If your own citizens are earning the interest, then it's likely that they're going to reinvest that interest into the domestic economy at some point, in some way. | Oct 05 23:41 |
| JimmyCarter | yeah | Oct 05 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/10/03/remarks-president-government-shutdown | Oct 05 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.whitehouse.gov | Remarks by the President on the Government Shutdown | The White House [ http://ur1.ca/fud6m ] | Oct 05 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | That's why everyone should save back some cash. | Oct 05 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | At least enough to get them through a couple of months. | Oct 05 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | Social Security checks may not go out next month. | Oct 05 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | But they'd probably work something out to where people get a double check in December or something. | Oct 05 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | But a lot of good that does if you run out of food and can't pay the rent in November. | Oct 05 23:50 |
| JimmyCarter | Foreign governments and investors hold 48% of the nation's public debt. The next largest part (21%) is held by other governmental entities, like the Federal Reserve and state and local governments. Fifteen percent is held by mutual funds, private pension funds, savings bonds or individual Treasury notes. The rest (16%) is held by businesses, like banks, and insurance companies and a mish-mash of trusts, businesses and investors. | Oct 05 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | Social Security alone holds over three trillion dollars. | Oct 05 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | Guess who takes it up the tailpipe first when the government defaults. | Oct 05 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | Hint: Not the banksters. | Oct 05 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | There's another simple explanation for why the government just doesn't tax enough to run its programs. | Oct 05 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | The programs are popular, but the taxes aren't. | Oct 05 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | By running deficits, it can run popular programs while keeping taxes low (for now). | Oct 05 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | The entities that the government borrows from are happy to enable this because they keep getting their interest payments. | Oct 05 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | The program cuts and tax increases will take decades to pan out. | Oct 05 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | and nobody who is in office right now will be there when that happens. So they have no reason to care. | Oct 05 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | The only collateral a government has in obtaining loans is the promise to raise taxes later. | Oct 05 23:55 |
| MinceR | see, the debt ceiling is not the issue :> | Oct 05 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | It is for the moment. | Oct 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's like saying that you'll have the triple baconator now so you won't starve, and don't worry about that massive heart attack. | Oct 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | That's thirty years from now. | Oct 05 23:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 05 23:59 |
| MinceR | the issue is all that spending that caused the debt to rise that high | Oct 05 23:59 |
| JimmyCarter | a default will trigger credit rating downgrades and interest rate hikes that will crush the sputtering economy | Oct 05 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. It's an immediate concern. | Oct 05 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | JimmyCarter: lol | Oct 01 00:17 |
| prurigro | JimmyCarter: I threw an archlinux filesystem ontop of my linux/android OS and ls --color works like a charm :) | Oct 01 00:30 |
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| MinceR | 003934 < Sosumi> for the privacy issues? | Oct 01 01:34 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/384762624463753216?refsrc=email | Oct 01 01:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: EU LIBE Inquiry on Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens - http://t.co/2uDM7Loql4 resource behind great talk (v @schestowitz) #nsa | Oct 01 01:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | European Parliament LIBE Inquiry on Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens - Using Our Intelligence | Oct 01 01:38 |
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| iophk | http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/30/delta-pilots-fought-against-deal-to-replace-ipad-flight-bags-with-microsoft-surface | Oct 01 02:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | appleinsider.com | Delta Pilots fought against deal to replace iPad flight bags with Microsoft Surface [ http://ur1.ca/fsdfp ] | Oct 01 02:20 |
| iophk | old - http://www.billparish.com/20011128msftupdate.html | Oct 01 02:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.billparish.com | Microsoft Pyramid Update [ http://ur1.ca/fsdhl ] | Oct 01 02:21 |
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| iophk | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/09/richard-stallman-on-the-hacker-spirit-at-mit/ | Oct 01 03:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Hacker Spirit at MIT - Open Enterprise [ http://ur1.ca/fsemr ] | Oct 01 03:18 |
| iophk | "What follows is part of a long interview I conducted with him in 1999, when I was carrying out research for "Rebel Code". Most of this is unpublished" | Oct 01 03:18 |
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| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/microsoft-privacy-chief-nsa | Oct 01 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after NSA revelations | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fsevq ] | Oct 01 03:28 |
| iophk | "he only uses open source software where he can examine the underlying code." | Oct 01 03:29 |
| iophk | Is he the first one of his kind? | Oct 01 03:29 |
| iophk | No non-competes or other clauses in his contract? | Oct 01 03:29 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/snowden-says-his-sole-intention-was-to-prompt-national-security-debate/ | Oct 01 03:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Snowden says his sole intention was to prompt national security debate | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fsezm ] | Oct 01 03:34 |
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| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/30/email-surveillance-could-reveal-journalists-sources-expert-claims | Oct 01 03:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Email surveillance could reveal journalists' sources, expert claims | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fsff0 ] | Oct 01 03:55 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 01 04:02 |
| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/10/compare-elop-to-his-predecessor-kallasvuo-one-was-bad-one-was-the-worst-ever.html | Oct 01 04:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Compare Elop to his Predecessor Kallasvuo. One was Bad. One was The Worst Ever [ http://ur1.ca/fsfvs ] | Oct 01 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Apparently you're exempt from the Obamacare penalty for not having health insurance if you had a financial hardship. | Oct 01 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | The list includes a utility shut off notice. | Oct 01 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | So why not just go a couple of months without paying the gas bill, waiting for them to send a shut off notice, and then pay it? | Oct 01 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | The late fee for that is only like $20, but it gets you out of the $695 Obamacare penalty for the year. | Oct 01 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Just do that every year and you save $675. | Oct 01 04:28 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if they stopped to think about how many people would figure this out. | Oct 01 04:29 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3312edf54c/hank-schrader-what-happens-next | Oct 01 04:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.funnyordie.com | Hank Schrader: What Happens Next with Dean Norris from Dean Norris, Nick Wiger, Andy Maxwell, Brian Lane, Funny Or Die, Jessica Leigh Schwartz, and BoTown Sound [ http://ur1.ca/fsg8p ] | Oct 01 04:36 |
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| iophk | deIcaza pops up again | Oct 01 05:29 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/09/gendarmerie_linux/ | Oct 01 05:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | French National Police Switch 37,000 Desktop PCs to Linux | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fsh2p ] | Oct 01 05:29 |
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| roy_ | iophk: quote? | Oct 01 05:42 |
| roy_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384976864454131712 | Oct 01 05:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #nsa is suppressing journalism http://t.co/ugaSNPjBfm | Oct 01 05:43 |
| iophk | indirect quote | Oct 01 05:44 |
| roy_ | iophk: yeah | Oct 01 05:44 |
| roy_ | well, he's a father now, that keeps him busy | Oct 01 05:44 |
| roy_ | better for Linux and esp. GNU | Oct 01 05:45 |
| roy_ | bbl | Oct 01 05:45 |
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| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/microsoft-cant-even-get-it-interested-in-its-mobile-platform-227568 | Oct 01 06:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Microsoft can't even get IT interested in its mobile platform | Mobile Technology - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fshom ] | Oct 01 06:10 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the bad part for Microsoft is once tizen sailfishos and ubuntu land its going to be even harder. | Oct 01 06:11 |
| oiaohm | iophk: reason theses will bring a Android compadible market. | Oct 01 06:11 |
| iophk | Yes one of the features marketed about Sailfish is Android compatibility | Oct 01 06:12 |
| iophk | I'm more interested in what it inherited from Meego | Oct 01 06:12 |
| oiaohm | iophk: same with Tizen and Ubuntu | Oct 01 06:12 |
| iophk | and FirefoxOS | Oct 01 06:12 |
| oiaohm | Firefox OS is targeted at lower end market. | Oct 01 06:12 |
| oiaohm | and not android compadible. | Oct 01 06:13 |
| iophk | Are there any plain phones out there? Something that just makes calls and holds a charge for a week or two? | Oct 01 06:14 |
| oiaohm | iophk: funny enough is that is firefox OS target. | Oct 01 06:15 |
| oiaohm | iophk: http://www.geek.com/mobile/firefox-os-minimum-specs-cant-get-much-more-minimal-1541349/ Note the firefox min specs. | Oct 01 06:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.geek.com | Firefox OS minimum specs cant get much more minimal | Mobile | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/fshsl ] | Oct 01 06:17 |
| oiaohm | iophk: 800 mhz single core processor with 256 megs ram. | Oct 01 06:18 |
| oiaohm | iophk: or in otherwords I sip power configuration. | Oct 01 06:18 |
| iophk | Low specs to be sure. But there is no mention of how it performs | Oct 01 06:18 |
| iophk | smartphones are uninteresting | Oct 01 06:18 |
| oiaohm | there are other reviews out there finding the performance very denent. | Oct 01 06:19 |
| oiaohm | iophk: remember symbian OS was a stock and trade for a long time in the feature phones. | Oct 01 06:20 |
| oiaohm | Really I miss the lack of flip phones. | Oct 01 06:20 |
| iophk | or candy bars. You could fit a lot of modern battery in that form factor now. | Oct 01 06:20 |
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| oiaohm | iophk: ever seen the series eden of the east. | Oct 01 06:22 |
| iophk | no | Oct 01 06:22 |
| oiaohm | iophk: eden of the east flip phone I would love to have. | Oct 01 06:22 |
| iophk | don't they break after some use? | Oct 01 06:23 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I have a 10 year old flip phone I have used dayly. | Oct 01 06:25 |
| iophk | most netbooks or notebooks die physically long before that. | Oct 01 06:26 |
| iophk | The connection between the screen and the main box starts to go usually. | Oct 01 06:26 |
| oiaohm | iophk: http://www.japanator.com/elephant/ul/9937-620x-edenoftheeastcellphone.jpg NEC did up prototype of the phone then never put it into mass production. | Oct 01 06:26 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the design is that you can stand it like a webcam on a desk as well as use as a phone. | Oct 01 06:27 |
| iophk | strange | Oct 01 06:27 |
| iophk | kind of ugly though | Oct 01 06:28 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documents | Oct 01 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | NSA stores metadata of millions of web users for up to a year, secret files show | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fryeh ] | Oct 01 06:28 |
| oiaohm | iophk: kind ugly is why I like it. I phone is a tool so why should it look perfectly nice. | Oct 01 06:31 |
| oiaohm | iophk: http://lightofthedawn.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/konachan-com-50838-higashi_no_eden.jpg anime serries picture. | Oct 01 06:32 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the romain numbers 1 to 12 on the phone in the series are individual peoples like logs/blogs of activies they are doing. | Oct 01 06:34 |
| oiaohm | iophk: yes you could call it a true social media phone. | Oct 01 06:34 |
| oiaohm | iophk: mind you nothing could be as ugly as my first phone that was a bag phone. | Oct 01 06:36 |
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| iophk | Is this the same part of NIST that was infiltrated a few years ago by M$ to bend it into supporting OOXML? | Oct 01 09:25 |
| iophk | https://threatpost.com/silent-circle-moving-away-from-nist-ciphers-in-wake-of-nsa-revelations/102452 | Oct 01 09:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | threatpost.com | Silent Circle Moving Away From NIST Ciphers in Wake of NSA Revelations | Threatpost [ http://ur1.ca/fskk4 ] | Oct 01 09:25 |
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| iophk | http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon_2013_kde4/img25.html | Oct 01 09:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.openbsd.org | Slide 26 [ http://ur1.ca/fskwm ] | Oct 01 09:52 |
| iophk | KDE | Oct 01 09:52 |
| iophk | not sure if it's serious | Oct 01 09:53 |
| MinceR | where do they get metrics like this? | Oct 01 09:54 |
| iophk | no source given | Oct 01 09:54 |
| MinceR | i doubt it's serious | Oct 01 09:54 |
| iophk | probably not, it would be hard to guess | Oct 01 09:54 |
| iophk | There aren't really any mechanism for monitoring usage in OpenBSD | Oct 01 09:54 |
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| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 01 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's a good thing they're not hosting on Windows Server, or it would have totally collapsed and wouldn't even be loading the main page at this point. | Oct 01 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | (on the health insurance exchange website) | Oct 01 12:13 |
| iophk | based on the Guardian article linked to earlier: | Oct 01 12:14 |
| iophk | http://hothardware.com/News/Former-Microsoft-Privacy-Chief-Says-He-No-Longer-Trusts-The-Company/ | Oct 01 12:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hothardware.com | Former Microsoft Privacy Chief Says He No Longer Trusts The Company - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/fsmxt ] | Oct 01 12:14 |
| iophk | This one has a map of the traffic through the US | Oct 01 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 01 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I've never had a problem with a Fedora update, but we have bittorrent and a few hundred mirrors with lots of bandwidth. | Oct 01 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't surprise me that Apple's update servers get flaky. As long as your credit card gets billed first, they have no reason to care. | Oct 01 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe Apple should just turn their customers computers into a mandatory botnet like certain other proprietary software does to keep their hosting costs down. It's not like the users have the power to make this sort of software stop doing nasty things to them. :) | Oct 01 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | (in reply to someone that mentioned that Apple's update servers have issues on release days) | Oct 01 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T has raised prices again. | Oct 01 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | A basic phone line with no features is now $23 plus taxes and fees. | Oct 01 12:41 |
| roy_ | > FYI | Oct 01 13:45 |
| roy_ | > | Oct 01 13:45 |
| roy_ | > http://infojustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Brazilian_Patent_Reform.pdf | Oct 01 13:45 |
| roy_ | > | Oct 01 13:45 |
| roy_ | > Amongst others very interesting pages ten or so pages concerning | Oct 01 13:45 |
| roy_ | > software patents ( beginning at page 199 ). | Oct 01 13:45 |
| roy_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385097697222754305 | Oct 01 13:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft's legacy of violating privacy and lying about it http://t.co/LczjBXOBAr #microsoft #privacy | Oct 01 13:56 |
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| MinceR | 182401 < DaemonFC> Maybe Apple should just turn their customers computers into a mandatory botnet like certain other proprietary software does to keep their hosting costs down. It's not like | Oct 01 14:37 |
| MinceR | the users have the power to make this sort of software stop doing nasty things to them. :) | Oct 01 14:37 |
| MinceR | how do you know they aren't? | Oct 01 14:37 |
| MinceR | they totally own hypeDevices in a way people who paid for them don't | Oct 01 14:37 |
| Sosumi | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3NDE | Oct 01 14:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA Drops Linux Driver Feature Not Found On Windows [ http://ur1.ca/fspaj ] | Oct 01 14:57 |
| Sosumi | more "love" from nvidia | Oct 01 14:57 |
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| Sosumi | according to Bernays, the inclusion of the rudimentary thumb scan on the hypePhone, was a concerted move between apple and cigar cutter manufacturers in order to sell cigar cutters | Oct 01 15:01 |
| Sosumi | true story | Oct 01 15:01 |
| Sosumi | with prosthectics manufacturers thrown somewhere in the middle | Oct 01 15:03 |
| Sosumi | and the conspiracy keeps building up | Oct 01 15:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 01 15:05 |
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| Sosumi | sebsebseb, seb would be much more efficient | Oct 01 15:17 |
| iophk | sosumi: irc can't do unicode in names | Oct 01 15:17 |
| Sosumi | shame on me then | Oct 01 15:17 |
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| sebsebseb | Sosumi: that would ruin my whole name thing to | Oct 01 15:24 |
| sebsebseb | it's got nothing too do with a 3 in the air | Oct 01 15:25 |
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| Sosumi | that math | Oct 01 15:32 |
| Sosumi | spot the differences | Oct 01 15:38 |
| Sosumi | www.nasa.gov | Oct 01 15:38 |
| Sosumi | www.nsa.gov | Oct 01 15:38 |
| Sosumi | nsa finally updated :) | Oct 01 15:39 |
| Sosumi | I bet they were too busy editing "David Cameron's Camera ON" | Oct 01 15:40 |
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| iophk | marketeering disguised as 'research' http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1747235/the-memo-that-spawned-microsoft-research | Oct 01 16:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tech.slashdot.org | The Memo That Spawned Microsoft Research - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fsqc6 ] | Oct 01 16:00 |
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| roy_1 | indeed | Oct 01 16:34 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385140466033131520 | Oct 01 16:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Uploaded about 150 photos from last month http://t.co/GznPwzOxbg | Oct 01 16:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | Around Manchester | Oct 01 16:34 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385141106562039808 | Oct 01 16:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdot | Oct 01 16:36 |
| roy_1 | Nathan Myhrvold and xconomy | Oct 01 16:37 |
| roy_1 | typical MS talking points | Oct 01 16:37 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385141818037653505 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385142124444135424 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385143069680861184 | Oct 01 16:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Wilder than ski jump http://t.co/jY5JwCmfot | Oct 01 16:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Collaboration http://t.co/8Sa21tAm0J | Oct 01 16:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Two #Mormon 'missionaries' wasted two hours of my time (and my wife's) this morning. It's like traveling salesmen, theist edition... | Oct 01 16:45 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3124228 | Oct 01 16:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Ubuntu continues to push the envelope and aggravate the community with each new release"' http://blog.linuxacademy.com/linux/ubuntu-linux-13-10-preview-docking-with-mir/ | Oct 01 16:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blog.linuxacademy.com | Ubuntu Linux 13.10 Preview: Docking With Mir | Linux Academy Blog [ http://ur1.ca/fs191 ] | Oct 01 16:46 |
| roy_1 | "Have been enjoying Linux Mint Debian Edition myself." | Oct 01 16:47 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3126974 | Oct 01 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #nsa is suppressing journalism http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/30/email-surveillance-could-reveal-journalists-sources-expert-claims | Oct 01 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Email surveillance could reveal journalists' sources, expert claims | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fsff0 ] | Oct 01 16:47 |
| roy_1 | "Maybe, to protect leakers, someone could make a "lemmings" email program for journalists, scientists and government employees that would create regular bogus communications that could be filtered out by a message contained key phrase. The program could be distributed by Union of Concerned Scientists, government employee unions, etc. It would establish regular, random communications between the user and major newspapers." | Oct 01 16:48 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128339 | Oct 01 16:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's legacy of violating privacy and lying about it http://hothardware.com/News/Former-Microsoft-Privacy-Chief-Says-He-No-Longer-Trusts-The-Company/ #microsoft #privacy | Oct 01 16:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | Former Microsoft Privacy Chief Says He No Longer Trusts The Company - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/fsmxt ] | Oct 01 16:48 |
| roy_1 | ' | Oct 01 16:48 |
| roy_1 | "<sarcasm> WoW I am shocked </sarcaasm>" | Oct 01 16:49 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/shut-day-humor-government-closed | Oct 01 17:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Shut Day Humor: Is The Government Closed? | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/fss2y ] | Oct 01 17:40 |
| Sosumi | well ofc not, the "invisible" government composed by the military/intelligence industrial complex and special interest groups continue in sound operation | Oct 01 17:43 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/Db79A43.png | Oct 01 18:22 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 01 18:28 |
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| pookito | is anybody available for a quick question? | Oct 01 20:59 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385293971398078464 | Oct 02 02:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: UK detention of Reprieve activist consistent with NSA's view of drone opponents as 'threats' and 'adversaries' http://t.co/gOUEf2ydb9 #fbi | Oct 02 02:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | UK detention of Reprieve activist consistent with NSA's view of drone opponents as 'threats' and 'adversaries' | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.com | Oct 02 02:44 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385295656329695232 | Oct 02 02:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after #NSA revelations http://t.co/AR84mWgK0p http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0 beyond complicity | Oct 02 02:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after NSA revelations | World news | theguardian.com | Oct 02 02:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights | Oct 02 02:50 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128913 | Oct 02 03:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdot | Oct 02 03:05 |
| roy_1 | " | Oct 02 03:05 |
| roy_1 | I hardly look at that site anymore. It's another example of a communications channel that was infiltrated and subverted by Microsoft. | Oct 02 03:05 |
| roy_1 | Microsoft attaches itself like a cancer to everything cool in tech through their "Evangelism is War" way of life. Every one to many communications channel, OEM and vendor is targeted for conversion to complete Microsoft control or destruction. Representatives pretend to be members of the targeted group while spying and making trouble. They always aim for levers of control to eliminate opposition and further the conversion. A group only has | Oct 02 03:05 |
| roy_1 | to be infiltrated by a single Microsoft person for the process to begin. The Microsoft representatives will consume more and more resources until what's left of the disfigured group quits in disgust. The converted group pretends still be independent so that new, distant sites can be corrupted and ruined. | Oct 02 03:05 |
| roy_1 | " | Oct 02 03:05 |
| roy_1 | I wonder if microsoft still bribes professors for ads. It does bribe some for anti-Google rhetoric... | Oct 02 03:06 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128938 | Oct 02 03:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #beliefs #atheist | Oct 02 03:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by pritam@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_1f0c135ff816d5799ae0.png | Oct 02 03:12 |
| roy_1 | "Sure????"{ | Oct 02 03:12 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128940 | Oct 02 03:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Two #Mormon 'missionaries' wasted two hours of my time (and my wife's) this morning. It's like traveling salesmen, theist edition... | Oct 02 03:13 |
| roy_1 | " | Oct 02 03:14 |
| roy_1 | Rule #1 with 'missionaries': Do not open the door. Failing that, | Oct 02 03:14 |
| roy_1 | Rule #2 with 'missionaries': Close the door ASAP. Failing that, | Oct 02 03:14 |
| roy_1 | Rule #3 with 'missionaries': Never allow them into your home. FT, | Oct 02 03:14 |
| roy_1 | Rule #4 with 'missionaries': Keep voodoo paraphernalia close at hand. Ask them where they have even done missionary work, carefully note any Africa and/or the Caribbean countries mentioned. There upon, pull out the 'dolls', ask them for a locks of hair and threads from their clothing, light black wax candles, advise them for their own health and safety that they should leave immediately, and then begin chanting in a language that, is most | Oct 02 03:14 |
| roy_1 | likely not to coincide with their travel experience. FT, | Oct 02 03:14 |
| roy_1 | Rule #5 with 'missionaries': Feign the voodoo spell went awry and advise them it is imperative you and/or your spouse seek assistance from a qualified Shaman. FT, | Oct 02 03:15 |
| roy_1 | Rule #6 with 'missionaries': Kiss hours goodbye. | Oct 02 03:15 |
| roy_1 | I'm guessing you were unaware of rules #1 - #5. | Oct 02 03:15 |
| roy_1 | " | Oct 02 03:15 |
| roy_1 | "Oddly enough, they never seem to want to hang out when I answer the door naked with a box of condoms in my hand." | Oct 02 03:15 |
| roy_1 | This wasn't at the door but at a bench in Town | Oct 02 03:15 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385303432170840064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304027028021248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304429282738176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304975586639872 | Oct 02 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: So I heard you want to try Linux http://t.co/V8gId1RXWX #gnu #linux | Oct 02 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> netrunner-mag.com | So I heard you want to try Linux | Netrunner MAG | Oct 02 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Semplice 5 review High Hopes http://t.co/LezH218wMh #gnu #linux #semplice | Oct 02 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linuxbsdos.com | Semplice 5 review High Hopes | LinuxBSDos.com | Oct 02 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ryan "icculus" Gordon Says Linux Viable Gaming Platform http://t.co/Tvtn3zDyRw #gnu #linux #games | Oct 02 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> ostatic.com | Ryan "icculus" Gordon Says Linux Viable Gaming Platform | Oct 02 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Big names involved in #gnu #linux gaming http://t.co/0qz48xsRO2 http://t.co/9JTf8vaDCZ http://t.co/0XXN7cZcWW | Oct 02 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.yahoo.com | Nvidia claims SteamOS partnership - Yahoo News | Oct 02 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.actiontrip.com | Valve Reveals Steam Machine Controller | Oct 02 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.extremetech.com | Making sense of Valves Steam Box: Windows vs. Linux, OpenGL vs. DirectX, and the impact of support from AMD & Nvidia | ExtremeTech | Oct 02 03:28 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385306902437310464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385307689955250176 | Oct 02 03:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: [Video] Happy Birthday to GNU! <3 http://t.co/2P5plS5J8e days ago. #gnu #fsf | Oct 02 03:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.laquadrature.net | [Video] Happy Birthday to GNU! <3 | La Quadrature du Net | Oct 02 03:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: International Day of Non-Violence today https://t.co/uEVWUHDoiI | Oct 02 03:38 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385308141044662272 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385308588073574400 | Oct 02 03:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Faulty hardware https://t.co/QPwpUBMp9w # nsa | Oct 02 03:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Keep Off http://t.co/gWwUidnev9 photographer uses dog cruelly | Oct 02 03:42 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130388 | Oct 02 03:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Big names involved in #gnu #linux gaming http://news.yahoo.com/nvidia-claims-steamos-partnership-144002916.html http://www.actiontrip.com/news/valve-reveals-steam-machine-controller/092713_8 http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/167541-making-sense-of-the-steam-box-windows-vs-linux-opengl-vs-direct3d-and-the-impact-of-support-from-amd-nvidia | Oct 02 03:45 |
| roy_1 | "But always remember that Valve is one of the godfathers of DRM. And the Steam client is closed source." | Oct 02 03:46 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385312662969929728 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385314152161755136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385314575329280000 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385315606909960192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385316176425144320 | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 10 open-source alternatives for small business software http://t.co/I0HSe0IvGR #freesw | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.pcworld.com | 10 open-source alternatives for small business software | PCWorld | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Temper Pi http://t.co/Bp13kwnRVj "Raspberry Pi was announced, I knew I eventually would use one to power a beer fridge" | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linuxjournal.com | Temper Pi | Linux Journal | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Recovery hype: American Capitalism's weapon of mass distraction http://t.co/kawM9BDgVC #finance #debt #slavery #spin | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rdwolff.com | Recovery hype: American Capitalism's weapon of mass distraction | Professor Richard D. Wolff | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CCTV #surveillance "bringing in 300m in revenue from parking enforcement" http://t.co/kZ4bKslhji but 'sold' as 'for security' | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk | Government signals end to CCTV use for parking fines | Big Brother Watch | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: BBW focuses on Google, neglecting Stalin's dream, Microsoft (which is behind anti-Google PR) http://t.co/uxRSD0BLqr http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0 | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk | Press comment: CNIL moves towards enforcement | Big Brother Watch | Oct 02 04:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights | Oct 02 04:13 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/385316532844126208 | Oct 02 04:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: @schestowitz while inflation is relatively low, it was higher than .4%, so really everyone else saw their income continue to drop. | Oct 02 04:16 |
| gulag2013 | Don't count Food or Energy. | Oct 02 04:16 |
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| MinceR | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wU_PwOMoYFg/Uksgilc_8aI/AAAAAAABDcg/qv153P_WqvQ/w800-h736-no/1381723_223469294480149_1555770665_n.jpg | Oct 02 04:25 |
| roy_1 | "All in all, Mr. Elop stands to gain about $25.4 million. Its not all bad news for the new and downsized Nokia, however. It appears that 70% of that total will be paid by Microsoft, his once and future bosses. Welcome home, Mr. Elop." | Oct 02 04:27 |
| roy_1 | "All in all, Mr. Elop stands to gain about $25.4 million. Its not all bad news for the new and downsized Nokia, however. It appears that 70% ohttp://fossforce.com/2013/09/torvalds-diplomacy-elops-riches/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=torvalds-diplomacy-elops-richesf that total will be paid by Microsoft, his once and future bosses. Welcome home, Mr. Elop." | Oct 02 04:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Torvald's Diplomacy, Elop's Riches & More - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/ft4qz ] | Oct 02 04:27 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385318129309872128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385318981147852800 | Oct 02 04:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "risk of cyber attacks on cars is growing dramatically." http://t.co/P82EpCDxfJ http://t.co/BpZKkHfgif | Oct 02 04:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxgizmos.com | Consortium plans to protect cars from cyber attacks LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 02 04:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.salon.com | Report: Michael Hastings feared his car had been tampered with - Salon.com | Oct 02 04:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: US websites should inform EU citizens about NSA surveillance, says report http://t.co/GBVVHsg2gW via http://t.co/1nkKFJAW9N | Oct 02 04:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.computerweekly.com | US websites should inform EU citizens about NSA surveillance, says report | Oct 02 04:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> openstack.blogspot.co.uk | Open Stack: OpenStack 09/27/2013 (p.m.) | Oct 02 04:28 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385321536288485376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385321932549533697 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385321950580854784 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385322687062896640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385322972040658944 | Oct 02 04:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: As debt 'crisis' (greed of lenders) deepens, the greater the push for wars and colonialism https://t.co/7ExOudI7WA | Oct 02 04:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Obama's plea for war on Syria sometimes looks like a businessman's endeavour. Even the language is similar. | Oct 02 04:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Red Hat releases upgrade to older Red Hat Enterprise Linux: RHEL 5.10 http://t.co/Gt3BqmaSqM #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 02 04:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.zdnet.com | Red Hat releases upgrade to older Red Hat Enterprise Linux: RHEL 5.10 | ZDNet | Oct 02 04:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Remote Desktop Access Update http://t.co/W2dcWfqZ1z better in #gnu #linux than in other platforms | Oct 02 04:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.montanalinux.org | Remote Desktop Access Update | MontanaLinux.org | Oct 02 04:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Pisi 1.0 goes RC! http://t.co/uJbpriTOy9 #pisi #gnu #linux | Oct 02 04:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Pisi 1.0 goes RC! | Oct 02 04:41 |
| iophk | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Secret-3G-Radio-in-Every-Intel-vPro-CPU-Could-Steal-Your-Ideas-at-Any-Time-385194.shtml | Oct 02 04:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Secret 3G Radio in Every Intel vPro CPU Could Steal Your Ideas at Any Time [ http://ur1.ca/ft522 ] | Oct 02 04:48 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385326270592331776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385327558172368896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385327926054760448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385328233539194880 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385328658459938816 | Oct 02 05:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Intel "chip is visible to the 3G network, even when the PC is not powered on". Boycott #Intel http://t.co/Rja8GJB3qn http://t.co/VdKKrDFE21 | Oct 02 05:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights | Oct 02 05:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> chattahbox.com | New York Sues Intel for Antitrust Crimes of Bribery and Coercion | ChattahBox News Blog | Oct 02 05:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Even poor people are getting easier to tag and track now http://t.co/tDcQ5fH8Ro | Oct 02 05:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'www10.nytimes.com' ( status 0 @ http://www10.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/developing-countries-surge-in-mobile-broadband-u-n-finds/?=ref=global-home&_r=6& ) | Oct 02 05:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Internet came from the US military. Many people delude themselves into thinking it's now "ours". But know where root servers are. #nsa | Oct 02 05:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The technology for wi-fi meshes/p2p that are independent from central authorities available for decade+, actively suppressed by oligopoly | Oct 02 05:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: OLPC was not a challenge only to Wintel. Its infrastructure for networks was a disruptive force which -- if arrived here -- would crush $ | Oct 02 05:02 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/02/microsoft-investors-reportedly-press-for-bill-gates-to-step-down | Oct 02 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Microsoft investors reportedly press for Bill Gates to step down | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/ft5au ] | Oct 02 05:06 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329367217606656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329814682730496 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385330142526320640 | Oct 02 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Google datacentres are being synchronised over Internet. Which means, the #NSA can intercept any data replicated within Google. MACs too. | Oct 02 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Android camera/microphone (just separate streams) is accessed remotely by the NSA, based on a Wall Street Journal report (2013). | Oct 02 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft investors want the criminal out (not just Ballmer) http://t.co/tIKqq3Qd6Q but you need criminals to run a crime syndicate | Oct 02 05:08 |
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| iophk | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/nacchio_claims_nsa_set_him_up/ | Oct 02 05:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theregister.co.uk | 'The NSA set me up,' ex-con Qwest exec claims The Register [ http://ur1.ca/ft5mp ] | Oct 02 05:26 |
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| iophk | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/gnu-three-decades-old-happy-birdthday/14518 | Oct 02 07:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | GNU is three decades old, happy birdthday! - Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/ft76a ] | Oct 02 07:18 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329367217606656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329814682730496 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385330142526320640 | Oct 02 08:11 |
| roy_1 | http://www.lessig.org/2013/09/there-will-be-live-streaming-of-constitutional-accountability/ | Oct 02 08:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.lessig.org | There will be live streaming of Constitutional Accountability | Lessig [ http://ur1.ca/fpmz5 ] | Oct 02 08:11 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385331715507757056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385332090407235585 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385332466678267904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385376857107202048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385379479226699776 | Oct 02 08:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: A decade ago I was rather proud to be reading and commenting in Slashdot. These days my views of the site are exceptionally negative. | Oct 02 08:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The founder of Slashdot is now working for #bezos and serving an Establishment paper that the #CIA actively uses for #propaganda | Oct 02 08:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Our independent media is being crushed by money. It's all about money. Truth does not necessitate money, usually the opposite is true. | Oct 02 08:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'The NSA set me up,' ex-con Qwest exec claims http://t.co/csUyDJrn7h #nsa #cia tactics if true | Oct 02 08:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNU is three decades old, happy birdthday! http://t.co/w6KAnHjG8p is that #ubuntu #unity behind him? | Oct 02 08:25 |
| iophk | crap UI from hell : http://meta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1849218/come-try-out-slashdots-new-design-in-beta | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | meta.slashdot.org | Come Try Out Slashdot's New Design (In Beta) - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/ft89i ] | Oct 02 08:28 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385381043068751872 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385381704602767360 | Oct 02 08:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Cameron: let me pass wealth to the rich (lenders) http://t.co/uPu2ASA4tc | Oct 02 08:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.ft.com | Cameron urges voters let him finish the job of cutting deficit - FT.com | Oct 02 08:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://t.co/8whSIRV1Ck | Oct 02 08:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware | Oct 02 08:33 |
| roy_1 | iophk: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385382428363485184 | Oct 02 08:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Slashdot is being demoted into just another blog http://t.co/jxvJyTTTGQ | Oct 02 08:35 |
| oiaohm | samsung also offers a few devices with custom connectors. | Oct 02 08:39 |
| roy_1 | http://pod.asap-soft.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_d58a1d9a66e2eb8bc7fe.jpg | Oct 02 08:41 |
| roy_1 | Shopped. She'd have to get her head closer to reach his pecker. | Oct 02 08:42 |
| iophk | The Dice move is designed to kill it off. It was too FOSS | Oct 02 08:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 02 08:43 |
| MinceR | the keystone2, for example | Oct 02 08:43 |
| oiaohm | In theory apple could keep the lighting connector if they add a micro usb on the case somewhere to change from. | Oct 02 08:50 |
| iophk | aren't micro-USB plugs fragile? | Oct 02 08:51 |
| MinceR | afaik they aren't | Oct 02 08:51 |
| oiaohm | iophk:micro-usb are in fact quite tough. | Oct 02 08:52 |
| iophk | That's good. | Oct 02 08:52 |
| iophk | If used for charging they are going to see a lot of abuse. | Oct 02 08:52 |
| oiaohm | iophk: in fact a issue can be that it takes the socket out the phone if its not connect to the phone well enough. | Oct 02 08:53 |
| oiaohm | iophk: someways the plug and socket of micro-usb is too srong. | Oct 02 08:53 |
| oiaohm | srong/strong | Oct 02 08:53 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383169064984576 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128 | Oct 02 08:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Newell http://t.co/f8SUjsvulC #valve #arrogance claims? | Oct 02 08:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Greek Golden Dawn party leader due in court http://t.co/4YAM3WN38W #nazism in #greece | Oct 02 08:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.aljazeera.com | Greek Golden Dawn party leader due in court - Europe - Al Jazeera English | Oct 02 08:56 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130627 | Oct 02 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Android camera/microphone (just separate streams) is accessed remotely by the NSA, based on a Wall Street Journal report (2013). | Oct 02 09:02 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130627 | Oct 02 09:02 |
| roy_1 | "I don't know why but I'm not surprised ^^" | Oct 02 09:03 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130612 | Oct 02 09:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Internet came from the US military. Many people delude themselves into thinking it's now "ours". But know where root servers are. #nsa | Oct 02 09:03 |
| roy_1 | "wireless communities are the way out" | Oct 02 09:03 |
| oiaohm | roy_1: core fault in wifi network is still not fixed. | Oct 02 09:04 |
| roy_1 | yeah | Oct 02 09:04 |
| roy_1 | "maybe for a reason" | Oct 02 09:05 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131105 | Oct 02 09:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://hothardware.com/News/EU-Votes-to-Make-All-Smartphone-Vendors-Utilize-a-Standard-Charger/ | Oct 02 09:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/ft8t4 ] | Oct 02 09:05 |
| roy_1 | "Microsoft & Apple, same struggle" | Oct 02 09:05 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130856 | Oct 02 09:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @joan51@pod.asap-soft.com: | Oct 02 09:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by joan51@pod.asap-soft.com: http://pod.asap-soft.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_d58a1d9a66e2eb8bc7fe.jpg | Oct 02 09:05 |
| roy_1 | "But it is understood that it's all about" | Oct 02 09:06 |
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| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131162 | Oct 02 09:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is being demoted into just another blog http://meta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1849218/come-try-out-slashdots-new-design-in-beta | Oct 02 09:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> meta.slashdot.org | Come Try Out Slashdot's New Design (In Beta) - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/ft89i ] | Oct 02 09:32 |
| roy_1 | "I cried out in disgust when I saw the revamp. It burns." | Oct 02 09:32 |
| roy_1 | http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/microsoft-skydrive-and-open-document.html | Oct 02 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Microsoft SkyDrive and Open Document Files [ http://ur1.ca/ft9cv ] | Oct 02 09:37 |
| roy_1 | http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/microsoft-skydrive-and-open-document.html | Oct 02 09:43 |
| roy_1 | " What I do not understand is if the legal action has legs... After all, Gmail users have been informed previously about the practice and must consent to it in order to open a Gmail account." | Oct 02 09:43 |
| roy_1 | Does Microsoft not read them? | Oct 02 09:43 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385400133791522816 | Oct 02 09:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Games! Steam in Mageia 3 http://t.co/ETFy2Uj20a not just #ubuntu but all of #gnu #linux | Oct 02 09:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Games! Steam in Mageia 3 | Oct 02 09:50 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128 | Oct 02 09:51 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128 | Oct 02 09:56 |
| roy_1 | bot is being weird | Oct 02 09:56 |
| iophk | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/ilija-trojanow-nsa-criticism_n_4024595.html | Oct 02 10:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.huffingtonpost.com | Ilija Trojanow, German Writer, Banned From US For Criticizing NSA [ http://ur1.ca/ft9zz ] | Oct 02 10:20 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385417926276571136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385418502708154368 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385419210840887296 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385419664123502592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385420183923589120 | Oct 02 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: This is why myself and some friends of mine aren't even interested in visiting the US anymore http://t.co/MkHGKGxOV4 | Oct 02 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: German citizens don't require visa to enter US, but it's not nationalism but ideas that scare the biometrics-loving admin.They have mine. | Oct 02 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Having spent past hours looking at flights & visa reqs' (planning Singapore visit), can't help recalling Erdos' denial of access to US [1/2] | Oct 02 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Liberalism wrt access without barriers & harassment required for building fantastic economy. Remember https://t.co/rTBzEJgOzL [2/2] | Oct 02 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> en.wikipedia.org | The New Colossus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 02 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Bush & Obama eras show ascent of cognitive dissonance among the ruling class. US citizens should reclaims their country from the 1%. | Oct 02 11:07 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385422074044743680 | Oct 02 11:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: If you acquire fingerprint data (10 fingers) from a German going to present at conference, then your immigration policy is probably broken. | Oct 02 11:16 |
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| iophk | old - http://blog.billparish.com/2008/10/29/estate-tax-and-tax-equity-bill-gates-sr-battles-son-bill-gates-jr-and-grover-norquistwarren-buffett-weighs-in/ | Oct 02 11:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blog.billparish.com | Estate Tax and Tax Equity: Bill Gates Sr. Battles Son Bill Gates Jr. as Grover Norquist and Warren Buffett Weigh In | Bill Parish - Parish & Company Registered Investment Advisor [ http://ur1.ca/ftb46 ] | Oct 02 11:42 |
| iophk | https://medium.com/p/d48995e8eb5a | Oct 02 13:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | medium.com | How Dread Pirate Roberts (Silk Road) got caught. Medium | Oct 02 13:53 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: | Oct 02 14:50 |
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| MinceR | yeah, i got the message. :> | Oct 02 14:51 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: | Oct 02 14:51 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR | Oct 02 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | :D | Oct 02 14:51 |
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| iophk | http://www.ehackingnews.com/2013/10/silk-road-taken-down-by-fbi.html | Oct 02 15:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ehackingnews.com | Silk Road taken down by FBI - E Hacker News [ http://ur1.ca/ftdt0 ] | Oct 02 15:20 |
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| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131162 | Oct 02 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is being demoted into just another blog http://meta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1849218/come-try-out-slashdots-new-design-in-beta | Oct 02 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> meta.slashdot.org | Come Try Out Slashdot's New Design (In Beta) - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/ft89i ] | Oct 02 16:47 |
| roy_1 | "RIP, Slashdot." | Oct 02 16:47 |
| MinceR | slashdot died long ago | Oct 02 16:47 |
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| roy_1 | "Their schools program is still going strong. They try to round up children into Facebook and kiddie versions of Facebook. This seems to be part of Bill Gates effort to privatize education. My daughter is dealing with an obnoxious "common core" curriculum and still has Edumodo shoved on her by the gifted and talented program. Her ordinary courses use Moodle, which is terribly backward but probably the result of Microsoft lobby power. I'm not | Oct 02 16:48 |
| roy_1 | sure what's going on at the University level today, but wiretapping laws forced nasty stuff like Cisco that leaned heavily towards Microsoft." | Oct 02 16:48 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128913 | Oct 02 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdot | Oct 02 16:49 |
| roy_1 | Moodle is great. I installed it twice and will document some manual work I have done moving away from proprietary systems. | Oct 02 16:50 |
| iophk | call marketeering as research and you're golden. | Oct 02 16:51 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131105 | Oct 02 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://hothardware.com/News/EU-Votes-to-Make-All-Smartphone-Vendors-Utilize-a-Standard-Charger/ | Oct 02 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/ft8t4 ] | Oct 02 16:51 |
| roy_1 | Moodle is great. I installed it twice and will document some manual work I have done moving away from proprietary systems. | Oct 02 16:51 |
| roy_1 | As the author points out, you can charge via USB with no problem with the right cable (or an adapter). If the author took a moment to consider what problems the Lightning connector solves (no need for multiple ports, no need to put additional circuitry into devices to support those ports, no need to power that unneeded circuitry) you'd realize that Apple's solution to the problem is vastly superior to having a USB port for charging and saves | Oct 02 16:51 |
| roy_1 | power, costs less for most users, and is generally better. | Oct 02 16:51 |
| roy_1 | The EU might be better served focusing its efforts on getting other device manufacturers to save power and contain less unused and duplicate circuitry. | Oct 02 16:51 |
| roy_1 | As the author points out, you can charge via USB with no problem with the right cable (or an adapter). If the author took a moment to consider what problems the Lightning connector solves (no need for multiple ports, no need to put additional circuitry into devices to support those ports, no need to power that unneeded circuitry) you'd realize that Apple's solution to the problem is vastly superior to having a USB port for charging and saves | Oct 02 16:51 |
| roy_1 | power, costs less for most users, and is generally better. | Oct 02 16:51 |
| roy_1 | The EU might be better served focusing its efforts on getting other device manufacturers to save power and contain less unused and duplicate circuitry. | Oct 02 16:51 |
| roy_1 | " | Oct 02 16:51 |
| roy_1 | "Nokia only had one charger for all their phones. It's funny how that's forgotten now." | Oct 02 16:52 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 02 16:52 |
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| MinceR | they had a thick charger, then a 2mm charger, then micro-usb | Oct 02 16:52 |
| MinceR | but retained the 2mm charger for low-end phones at least for a while | Oct 02 16:53 |
| roy_1 | Nokia is no more. In 2011 it was turned into bodyparts and sold in pieces to Microsoft trolls, Microsoft, and some of its money got funnelled into the bank account of a mole. | Oct 02 16:53 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130507 | Oct 02 17:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "risk of cyber attacks on cars is growing dramatically." http://linuxgizmos.com/consortium-plans-to-protect-cars-from-cyber-attacks/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/21/report_michael_hastings_feared_his_car_had_been_tampered_with/ | Oct 02 17:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxgizmos.com | Consortium plans to protect cars from cyber attacks LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/ftew9 ] | Oct 02 17:00 |
| roy_1 | "Almost all new cars have remote kill switches. No consumer infotainment systems are required to screw the driver. It's non free software and that is always used against the user." | Oct 02 17:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.salon.com | Report: Michael Hastings feared his car had been tampered with - Salon.com [ http://ur1.ca/ftewb ] | Oct 02 17:00 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-02/irans-cyber-warfare-head-assassinated | Oct 02 19:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Iran's Cyber Warfare Commander Assassinated | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/ftgij ] | Oct 02 19:21 |
| Sosumi | courtesy of prince Bandar Bin Sultan and the five dancing israelis | Oct 02 19:22 |
| JimmyCarter | i dont remember if i cried when i read about our raided site. but something touched me deep inside, the day the silk road died. =( | Oct 02 19:22 |
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| DaemonFC | Those credit card reward programs have been scaled back quite a bit. | Oct 02 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | My bank called me and told me that they were going to downgrade my card to one with no rewards program, so I called them and told them that if they wanted to do that, they could cancel my account. So they ended up moving me to a card with a better rewards program. | Oct 02 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | They know that people get junk mail all the time and probably wouldn't even have read that. | Oct 02 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | Then they won't notice that their annual rebate check stopped coming in the mail. | Oct 02 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | It only happens once a year so it's probably easy to miss. | Oct 02 22:24 |
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| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3132761 | Oct 03 02:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 03 02:14 |
| roy_1 | "Well, I'm from Brazil and live in Brazil. Unfortunately I can assure you it is true. Sad, but true. =(" | Oct 03 02:14 |
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| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131105 | Oct 03 03:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://hothardware.com/News/EU-Votes-to-Make-All-Smartphone-Vendors-Utilize-a-Standard-Charger/ | Oct 03 03:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/ft8t4 ] | Oct 03 03:34 |
| roy_1 | "|Nokia is no more, hail to Jolla :D|" | Oct 03 03:34 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385649991450378240 | Oct 03 03:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Red Hat leads way to certify OpenStack pros http://t.co/TxoXC88VeP #redhat the #gnu #linux backer wants them to use RHEL | Oct 03 03:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.zdnet.com | Red Hat leads way to certify OpenStack pros | ZDNet | Oct 03 03:35 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385669933155495936 | Oct 03 03:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Nutritional promises http://t.co/m3I107MS8c | Oct 03 03:41 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385671484133609472 | Oct 03 03:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Edward Snowdens E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show http://t.co/C0yZMaPjKv #fbi #email | Oct 03 03:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.com | Edward Snowden's E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show | Threat Level | Wired.com | Oct 03 03:45 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385673795530686464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385674217066610688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385674598567919616 | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics Project http://t.co/HJFwYmdJsP #nvidia #linux #JeromeGlisse | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics Project | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Klaus Knopper Interview http://t.co/AYEIcgSrmi #knopper #knoppix #gnu #linux | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.everydaylinuxuser.com | The Klaus Knopper Interview ~ Everyday Linux User | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debian Project News - September 30th, 2013 http://t.co/FQHI58x9AO #debian #gnu #linux | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.debian.org | Debian Project News - September 30th, 2013 | Oct 03 04:02 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675041004089344 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675466990190592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675721466982401 | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SolydX 201309 Review: Simple, effective and efficient, as good as Linux Mint! http://t.co/JyesS193gG http://t.co/HZmPbt7v4t #debian spin | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk | Linuxed - Exploring Linux distros: SolydX 201309 Review: Simple, effective and efficient, as good as Linux Mint! | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk | Linuxed - Exploring Linux distros: SolydK 201309 Review: Rock-solid Debian spin offering KDE 4.11.1 | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Tales from Linux Kernel 3.11 Development The Kernel Column http://t.co/x6pslt6Ygc #linux #kernel | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linuxuser.co.uk | Tales from Linux Kernel 3.11 Development The Kernel Column | Linux User | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Open source snapshot: GhostBSD http://t.co/hNhxQg3zma #ghostbsd #unix #bsd | Oct 03 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techworld.com.au | Open source snapshot: GhostBSD - open source, FreeBSD - GNOME - Open Source - Techworld | Oct 03 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-20-Alpha-MATE-Compiz-Screenshot-Tour-387078.shtml | Oct 03 04:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Fedora 20 Alpha MATE/Compiz Screenshot Tour [ http://ur1.ca/ftl9j ] | Oct 03 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | Heisenbug? | Oct 03 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | I guess that was inspired by Breaking Bad? | Oct 03 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | "A man opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me!?" | Oct 03 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | "I am the man who knocks!" | Oct 03 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 03 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/10-baddest-the-bathtub | Oct 03 04:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amctv.com | Breaking Bad - The Bathtub: 10 Baddest AMC [ http://ur1.ca/ftlbg ] | Oct 03 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFbOAIWjJM | Oct 03 04:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | breaking bad acid scene - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ftlc9 ] | Oct 03 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | oh damn it | Oct 03 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | Why do people on Youtube have to add that stupid song to everything? | Oct 03 04:12 |
| iophk | zero-day is just a marketing term : http://www.eweek.com/security/microsoft-ie-zero-day-flaw-exposure-widens.html | Oct 03 04:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eweek.com | Microsoft IE Zero-Day Flaw Exposure Widens [ http://ur1.ca/ftlib ] | Oct 03 04:30 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/lavabit-defied-order-for-snowdens-login-info-then-govt-asked-for-sites-ssl-key/ | Oct 03 04:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Lavabit got order for Snowdens login info, then govt demanded sites SSL key | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ftljk ] | Oct 03 04:34 |
| iophk | no mention of the real weak point being Windows, even not counting the intentional back doors, it is the weak spot in both security and maintenance : http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/security/3471745/former-nsa-cio-slams-fortune-100-companies-security/ | Oct 03 04:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworlduk.com | Former NSA CIO slams Fortune 100 companies' security - ComputerworldUK.com [ http://ur1.ca/ftll3 ] | Oct 03 04:39 |
| prurigro | iophk: how is zero day a marketing term? | Oct 03 04:47 |
| iophk | the flaw has always been there and many people know about it | Oct 03 04:48 |
| prurigro | oh, you mean in this case | Oct 03 04:49 |
| iophk | the marketers like to pretend it is a surprise | Oct 03 04:49 |
| prurigro | zero day doesn't mean new though | Oct 03 04:49 |
| prurigro | it means no exploit has been built for it | Oct 03 04:49 |
| iophk | they like to pretend it is new, also there are often exploits for it, as we learn after the fact | Oct 03 04:49 |
| prurigro | or rather, nothing has been built to exploit it, or however that should be worded :) | Oct 03 04:49 |
| iophk | usually | Oct 03 04:49 |
| prurigro | and word, well, no known exploits | Oct 03 04:49 |
| iophk | or rather, nothing the vendor is willing to admit to | Oct 03 04:49 |
| prurigro | if someone's come up with one that isn't in the wild yet, that's the risk you take using something with an unpatched zero day | Oct 03 04:50 |
| iophk | there have been many instances of vendors (especially one in particular) pretending that exploits are not available and not in use when they really have been | Oct 03 04:50 |
| prurigro | are you special enough for someone to out their exploit? can the exploit be used en masse all at once? | Oct 03 04:50 |
| prurigro | word, I'd argue its more likely that noone knows yet, publically, so obviously the best angle for PR is to assume exploits don't exist and haven't been used | Oct 03 04:51 |
| prurigro | though I've definitely heard of companies covering up having had their own servers attacked due to exploits to keep their users feeling safe | Oct 03 04:52 |
| iophk | yes, the PR goes from the lie that exploits don't exist and haven't been used, when all that really means is that there is none that the vendor is currently willing to face | Oct 03 04:52 |
| iophk | publicly | Oct 03 04:52 |
| prurigro | who knows how much stuff like that spreads behind doors | Oct 03 04:52 |
| iophk | behind doors at the vendor, and behind "doors" in the black hat communities | Oct 03 04:53 |
| prurigro | the good thing about open source is that people are more concerned with getting things fixed than PR | Oct 03 04:53 |
| iophk | yes, that is a strong advantage | Oct 03 04:53 |
| prurigro | black hat communities are often more trade/payment based in respect to exploits; otherwise people sit on them without discussing their existence | Oct 03 04:53 |
| iophk | M$ has been manipulating the stats for years, a decade maybe, to hid the slow incompetent responses | Oct 03 04:54 |
| prurigro | most corporations that hide behind closed doors do this, I wouldn't single M$ out-- many are guilty, and its a good reason to use foss stuff in general | Oct 03 04:54 |
| iophk | I would expect that the really good exploits are held closely guarded and not used when less valuable ones can be used instead | Oct 03 04:54 |
| prurigro | not even to mention purposefully inserted backdoors and such | Oct 03 04:54 |
| iophk | yes many vendors, M$ may be worst, but others are bad too. | Oct 03 04:55 |
| prurigro | why do you say M$ is the worst? | Oct 03 04:55 |
| iophk | historically they have been | Oct 03 04:55 |
| iophk | or would it be Cisco now? | Oct 03 04:55 |
| prurigro | I mean, this is a situation where we know many companies have done this, but don't know how often or how much any company has | Oct 03 04:55 |
| prurigro | Adobe: flash? | Oct 03 04:56 |
| iophk | LOL | Oct 03 04:56 |
| iophk | I forgot Flash. | Oct 03 04:56 |
| iophk | and Adobe | Oct 03 04:56 |
| iophk | they might be worst of all | Oct 03 04:56 |
| prurigro | <3 | Oct 03 04:56 |
| iophk | I am surprised that Flash has not been actively purged from the net. | Oct 03 04:57 |
| iophk | Yet people still use it and act as if nothing is wrong with it. | Oct 03 04:57 |
| iophk | Even stupider people base public services on it. | Oct 03 04:57 |
| prurigro | we need to wait for everyone to rewrite everything | Oct 03 04:57 |
| prurigro | in html5 | Oct 03 04:57 |
| prurigro | flash has already been declared dead by adobe iirc | Oct 03 04:57 |
| iophk | The decision to use Flash instead of video is only made by jackasses, but then there is no shortage of those. | Oct 03 04:58 |
| prurigro | kinda like netflix and silverlight | Oct 03 04:58 |
| iophk | That's another decision that makes no sense. | Oct 03 04:58 |
| prurigro | well I mean, some guy wants a website with videos and knows enough to look for some package he can drop on his site or something | Oct 03 04:58 |
| prurigro | finds a flash based video player and it seems to work, so he goes with it | Oct 03 04:58 |
| prurigro | not everyone's paying attention to all the politics and changes | Oct 03 04:59 |
| prurigro | and word, netflix using silverlight does make sense because silverlight has good drm | Oct 03 04:59 |
| iophk | If one wanted to attribute sinister motives to the whole thing, there are groups with an interest in getting backdoors on users' machines. Flash does that nicely, gives control of the mike and the camera, too. | Oct 03 04:59 |
| prurigro | they really just need to write their own browser plugin until html5 gets its drm extension though imo | Oct 03 04:59 |
| prurigro | word, yeah, I definitely don't run flash on my compy | Oct 03 05:00 |
| iophk | drm in HTML5 is not set yet, that may be a 3rd party add on | Oct 03 05:00 |
| prurigro | on that note, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/?src=api is fantastic :) | Oct 03 05:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | addons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/ftltb ] | Oct 03 05:00 |
| prurigro | I thought the w3 decided for sure that it was in, but as a separate spec? | Oct 03 05:00 |
| iophk | Youtube does not have a large percentage of HTML5 videos yet. many are still in Flash | Oct 03 05:00 |
| prurigro | did you see the plugin I just pasted? | Oct 03 05:01 |
| prurigro | converts flash videos to their html5 counterpart and then loads them in the youtube html5 video player :) | Oct 03 05:01 |
| iophk | Interesting. Thanks. | Oct 03 05:01 |
| prurigro | well, all of that simultaneously | Oct 03 05:01 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 03 05:02 |
| prurigro | reason youtube keeps some in flash btw, is because their ads only work with flash | Oct 03 05:02 |
| prurigro | MinceR: ahohohoy | Oct 03 05:02 |
| MinceR | j0h0h0 | Oct 03 05:02 |
| prurigro | and a bottle of rum | Oct 03 05:02 |
| gulag2013 | I was playing with Minitube for Ubuntu, that seems to work fine without the use of flash. Is it me are do videos appear to load faster without flash? | Oct 03 05:03 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 03 05:04 |
| prurigro | there might be hardware decoder for non-flash versions? | Oct 03 05:04 |
| prurigro | whichever format the browser you're talking about is using | Oct 03 05:04 |
| gulag2013 | Ya, not sure I know that the XBMC addon for youtube works fine too. | Oct 03 05:05 |
| prurigro | including videos that are normally using flash? | Oct 03 05:05 |
| prurigro | youtube-dl works nicely too on a side note | Oct 03 05:05 |
| prurigro | if you have a little disk space | Oct 03 05:05 |
| gulag2013 | Oh yes, that is if you just want to download them and watch later right? | Oct 03 05:06 |
| prurigro | or right now then delete them, in whatever format | Oct 03 05:06 |
| prurigro | even if its strictly flv, mplayer and vlc both play that nicely | Oct 03 05:06 |
| prurigro | no flash required | Oct 03 05:06 |
| prurigro | you could even download to /tmp (assuming its a ramdisk) if you didn't want any additional writes, thinking about it | Oct 03 05:07 |
| gulag2013 | Cool thanks, I haven't tried to stream them. I was learning how to set the formats. | Oct 03 05:07 |
| prurigro | (thinking SSDs here) | Oct 03 05:07 |
| prurigro | you mean with youtube-dl? | Oct 03 05:08 |
| prurigro | in my bashrc I have: alias yt-dl='youtube-dl -t --max-quality mp4' | Oct 03 05:08 |
| gulag2013 | Yes, I know the defaults were high quality | Oct 03 05:08 |
| prurigro | saves with the title, uses the max quality and prefers mp4 (which most devices have a hardware decoder for) | Oct 03 05:08 |
| prurigro | is high quality the default? | Oct 03 05:08 |
| gulag2013 | I believe so, the files were large. | Oct 03 05:09 |
| prurigro | word, there was a time when it wasn't, but maybe that's changed | Oct 03 05:09 |
| prurigro | the lowest quality on that note is sometimes hilariously small | Oct 03 05:09 |
| prurigro | I was 'borriwing' wifi once and didn't want to suck up too much bandwidth, so I dl'd minimum quality and the resulting video was barely the size of 12pt font | Oct 03 05:10 |
| gulag2013 | Oh, well we are all on the same path. I have tried everything from gnash to a viewtube greasemonkey plugin. Sill have flash on my machine. For now anyway. | Oct 03 05:11 |
| prurigro | did you see that plugin I pasted? | Oct 03 05:11 |
| prurigro | assuming you use firefox (which you should) | Oct 03 05:12 |
| gulag2013 | Was that the HTML5 one? | Oct 03 05:12 |
| prurigro | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/ | Oct 03 05:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | addons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ] | Oct 03 05:12 |
| gulag2013 | I did install it, Thanks just haven't found were it is on my firefox | Oct 03 05:12 |
| prurigro | oh, like, you disable/uninstall flashplugin | Oct 03 05:12 |
| prurigro | and magically any youtube videos that weren't html5 before will be converted on the fly | Oct 03 05:12 |
| prurigro | (disable the popup complaining you don't have flashplayer) | Oct 03 05:13 |
| gulag2013 | Ya, I'm used to seeing that popup, ha ha | Oct 03 05:13 |
| prurigro | I thought you had flashplugin? :) | Oct 03 05:13 |
| gulag2013 | I do, I was speaking from my past attempts trying other plugins | Oct 03 05:14 |
| prurigro | ahh, touche haha | Oct 03 05:14 |
| prurigro | well, this one works for now | Oct 03 05:14 |
| gulag2013 | Nagging you to install the flash spyware | Oct 03 05:14 |
| prurigro | lol | Oct 03 05:14 |
| prurigro | firefox is supposed to sandbox flash right? | Oct 03 05:14 |
| gulag2013 | can we use your camera and mic, and then change those settings everyday back to default | Oct 03 05:15 |
| prurigro | lol, hopefully it doesn't know how to enable your camera without turning the light on too :) | Oct 03 05:16 |
| gulag2013 | I'm a little crazy and leave the built in cam covered. I have trust issues. | Oct 03 05:18 |
| prurigro | lol | Oct 03 05:18 |
| prurigro | if you're using a fully foss OS and software, you should probably be ok; probably :) | Oct 03 05:19 |
| gulag2013 | In windows it was fairly easy to disable in device manager, not sure what I'm doing in Ubuntu yet. | Oct 03 05:19 |
| prurigro | oh hrm, ubuntu might not be the best distro if you have trust issues haha | Oct 03 05:19 |
| gulag2013 | Really, well it's better you tell me now. | Oct 03 05:20 |
| prurigro | re:windows, I definitely wouldn't trust anything I've done to be the case if anyone they're friends with don't want it to be anymore | Oct 03 05:20 |
| prurigro | ubuntu, by default, sends the stuff you type in searches for programs and files to ubuntu, who then forwards them to amazon | Oct 03 05:21 |
| prurigro | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do | Oct 03 05:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.fsf.org | Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? Free Software Foundation working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/bw4j6 ] | Oct 03 05:21 |
| prurigro | you can disable it, but when it comes to open source, I feel like using a particular project is akin to voting with your wallet for capitalism | Oct 03 05:22 |
| gulag2013 | That started in 12.10. What are the odds that is happening in 12.04. I don't use the Dash much, but I appreciate the warning. | Oct 03 05:22 |
| prurigro | ahh, you're still on an older one eh? odds are lower, though ubuntu is still a poor example of a free OS in a number of ways | Oct 03 05:22 |
| prurigro | fedora on the other hand, is particularly shining | Oct 03 05:23 |
| prurigro | if you want something that's still user friendly | Oct 03 05:23 |
| gulag2013 | I do have my privacy settings set. Yes you are right, Fedora is clean? | Oct 03 05:23 |
| prurigro | it's really secure by default too-- firewall, selinux etc | Oct 03 05:23 |
| gulag2013 | Is that what Selinux is based from Fedora? | Oct 03 05:23 |
| prurigro | it's clean, 100% foss by default (you'll want to add a repo if you want binary graphics drivers and the like), and has some pretty secure defaults while staying user friendly | Oct 03 05:23 |
| prurigro | selinux is actually developed by the NSA, but its 100% foss and has been reviewed many many times-- the NSA also uses it interally | Oct 03 05:24 |
| gulag2013 | The use Yum? What are the packages, what do you use at the moment? | Oct 03 05:24 |
| prurigro | rpm are the packages, and fedora is the free distro by redhat, one of the biggest companies in linux, and most responsible in terms of respecting and contributing to foss/linux | Oct 03 05:25 |
| prurigro | I use archlinux, which is an amazing distro in a number of ways, but not necessarily something one should start on as its more complex (and its benifits are more for those who like to hack around) | Oct 03 05:25 |
| gulag2013 | I'm going to have to check it out, I really haven't spent much time with Fedora, I tried Suse. | Oct 03 05:26 |
| gulag2013 | Arch is way over my league | Oct 03 05:26 |
| prurigro | suse, at least when I was looking at it in the late 90s and early 2000s was pretty heavily based on redhat (now fedora) | Oct 03 05:26 |
| prurigro | when you're looking at fedora, you download an installer for a particular desktop, so you might want to look at the ones available and decide in the mean time | Oct 03 05:27 |
| prurigro | youtube videos and the desktops' respective websites and such | Oct 03 05:27 |
| gulag2013 | Are you saying they are different sizes. I looked at a Debain download that was over 4 gigs. | Oct 03 05:28 |
| prurigro | kde and gnome are the heavier more complete desktops, and xfce is still pretty user friendly while being lighter on the resources (though more like windows xp than windows 8) | Oct 03 05:28 |
| prurigro | they're different sizes too, though if you have a modern computer I'd decide based more on the type of environment you picture yourself using | Oct 03 05:29 |
| prurigro | KDE: http://kde.org/workspaces/plasmadesktop/ GNOME: http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ and XFCE: http://www.xfce.org/about/screenshots | Oct 03 05:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | kde.org | KDE - Plasma Desktop | Oct 03 05:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnome.org | GNOME 3 | GNOME | Oct 03 05:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.xfce.org | Screenshots - Xfce | Oct 03 05:30 |
| prurigro | (look at the 4.10 ones for xfce) | Oct 03 05:30 |
| gulag2013 | Okay, I will have to research that, but I would like to get familiar with some Redhat based distros. KDE had way to many options for me. | Oct 03 05:31 |
| prurigro | http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops <- different desktops | Oct 03 05:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fedoraproject.org | Fedora Project - Get Fedora: Desktops, Other Formats, Spins, Cloud Images or Secondary Arches. [ http://ur1.ca/821f4 ] | Oct 03 05:31 |
| prurigro | haha, yeah, I personally like gnome 3 the most | Oct 03 05:31 |
| iophk | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/10/richard-stallman-on-the-painful-birth-of-gnu/ | Oct 03 05:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU - Open Enterprise [ http://ur1.ca/ftd8k ] | Oct 03 05:32 |
| prurigro | the configuration exposed by default is really simple and makes up the core of what you'd likely really want to tweak, but its also almost infinitely extendable (has a regedit type settings system + https://extensions.gnome.org/) | Oct 03 05:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | extensions.gnome.org | GNOME Shell Extensions | Oct 03 05:32 |
| gulag2013 | I was just going to say, I may go with gnome | Oct 03 05:32 |
| prurigro | word, well then :) | Oct 03 05:33 |
| prurigro | it was unpopular at first, so I'm always apprehensive about suggesting it, but I really like it so yeah haha | Oct 03 05:33 |
| prurigro | for someone who needs to go through every single config option, KDE is a mess :) | Oct 03 05:34 |
| prurigro | it also doesn't look nearly as good somehow | Oct 03 05:34 |
| gulag2013 | This is nice to have choices. Na, I was running Elementary a few weeks ago, I like minimalism | Oct 03 05:34 |
| prurigro | ahh, so you've played around with desktops a bit then eh? | Oct 03 05:35 |
| prurigro | what distros? | Oct 03 05:35 |
| prurigro | or all ubuntu? | Oct 03 05:35 |
| gulag2013 | A few mostly all Ubuntu, | Oct 03 05:35 |
| prurigro | word | Oct 03 05:35 |
| gulag2013 | Would you say Debian based distros? | Oct 03 05:36 |
| prurigro | for ubuntu? | Oct 03 05:36 |
| prurigro | or ubuntu derivatives? | Oct 03 05:36 |
| prurigro | I suppose ubuntu derivative somewhat implies debian based as well | Oct 03 05:37 |
| gulag2013 | Is mint considered a ubuntu derivative/ | Oct 03 05:37 |
| prurigro | last I checked they had one directly based off debian and on based off ubuntu | Oct 03 05:37 |
| prurigro | not sure if that's still the case though | Oct 03 05:37 |
| prurigro | ahh yeah, seems it is | Oct 03 05:37 |
| prurigro | linux mint debian would be the debian based one | Oct 03 05:38 |
| prurigro | directly | Oct 03 05:38 |
| gulag2013 | Okay, it does get a little confusing, with all the desktops. | Oct 03 05:39 |
| prurigro | good thing about fedora btw, is that it uses systemd for services and other backend stuff, which is becoming a standard many distros are moving to (meaning universal graphical config utils too) as well as a much more solid way to manage things, and it also uses packagekit for its package management guis | Oct 03 05:39 |
| prurigro | which plug into pretty much any distro's package manager | Oct 03 05:39 |
| prurigro | so you're learning one distro, but you'll be able to switch to quite a few others with the same skills you pick up | Oct 03 05:40 |
| prurigro | instad of only other debian based ditros | Oct 03 05:40 |
| gulag2013 | Thanks, I'm still learning the file structure etc.. I was concerned about learning only one flavor of linux | Oct 03 05:42 |
| prurigro | the file structur is very similar across the board | Oct 03 05:43 |
| prurigro | programs are split into a few key areas of /usr, system config is in /etc, personal files and user config goes into respective home directories in /home etc | Oct 03 05:44 |
| iophk | gulag2013: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb/fhs | Oct 03 05:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.linuxfoundation.org | FHS | The Linux Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/ftm6l ] | Oct 03 05:45 |
| iophk | Not as good as the old site. try "man hier" in the terminal, that gives about the same overview. | Oct 03 05:46 |
| prurigro | services used to (and still are by debian and a few others) be done using scripts that could be run to start/stop them and temporary files with an ID number for a process stored somewhere to keep track, but systemd has created a framework that keeps track of everything, so services that die can alert you or restart automatically and logs can be loaded | Oct 03 05:46 |
| gulag2013 | iophk, Thank you for that, I'm very overwhelmed, but I don't want to give up. | Oct 03 05:46 |
| prurigro | debian wants to avoid systemd because its not compatible with BSD, and gentoo developed its own similar but different systemd-like setup | Oct 03 05:46 |
| gulag2013 | Wait a second, BSD is Unix isn't it? | Oct 03 05:47 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: if you want to actually learn the basics in a much more simple setup like those of us who started back in the day were lucky enough to have been able to do | Oct 03 05:47 |
| prurigro | you should get http://ttylinux.net/ and load it into a VM | Oct 03 05:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ttylinux.net | ttylinux homepage | Oct 03 05:48 |
| prurigro | BSD is unix, yes | Oct 03 05:48 |
| iophk | The LinuxFoundation has some serious usability issues with their FHS part of the site. | Oct 03 05:49 |
| gulag2013 | That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSD | Oct 03 05:49 |
| iophk | Here is the latest standard: | Oct 03 05:49 |
| iophk | http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_2.3/ | Oct 03 05:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | refspecs.linuxfoundation.org | FHS 2.3 Specifications [ http://ur1.ca/ftm82 ] | Oct 03 05:49 |
| iophk | Most of the distros try to follow that, even if they end up deviating in practice. | Oct 03 05:49 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: BSD is a bit of an underdog and carries a rather different philosophy on open source than linux, so sometimes you'll find users making a lot of noise about it since linux is typically the default choice new users move towards | Oct 03 05:50 |
| gulag2013 | You said you were lucky with learning, what did you mean by that. I know I would benefit from some hands on real world stuff. | Oct 03 05:52 |
| prurigro | like, back in the day there was less to linux than there is today, or at least it feels that way-- and there was also less built ontop to make things easier, which meant all the user friendly guides floating around were structured to configuring /etc/fstab and stuff like that | Oct 03 05:54 |
| gulag2013 | Anyway, I appreciate being pointed in a few directions. Oh so it wasn't as compartmentalized as it is today? | Oct 03 05:55 |
| prurigro | ttylinux is a very very minimal distro (no graphics, almost the minimum set of packages required for a system to run etc), which is why its a good distro to show you the key aspects of a working system (vs the extra stuff) | Oct 03 05:55 |
| gulag2013 | That is what I need to be doing, and with nautilus I'm not forcing myself to learn that. | Oct 03 05:56 |
| prurigro | its always been compartmentalized, being opensource and such-- there are just more layers now | Oct 03 05:56 |
| prurigro | I used to have a sheet of paper with terminal commands and what they do written on them sitting beside the computers | Oct 03 05:57 |
| prurigro | computer*, and I'd add to it each time I looked something up | Oct 03 05:57 |
| prurigro | eventually they just sank in | Oct 03 05:57 |
| roy_1 | [10:49] <gulag2013> That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSD | Oct 03 05:57 |
| roy_1 | Juniper is occupied by Microsoft | Oct 03 05:57 |
| roy_1 | it also FUDs Android | Oct 03 05:57 |
| prurigro | Android has FUD? I thought the facts were pretty creepy already lol | Oct 03 05:58 |
| gulag2013 | What is that? Jupiter has been compromised by Ms? | Oct 03 05:58 |
| iophk | HP; Juniper and Cisco are all M$ now. Are there any networking companies not M$ now? | Oct 03 05:58 |
| iophk | gulag2013: Juniper: http://rcpmag.com/articles/2011/11/01/the-executive-march-from-microsoft-to-juniper-networks.aspx | Oct 03 05:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rcpmag.com | 12 Microsoft Execs Who Made the March to Juniper Networks -- Redmond Channel Partner [ http://ur1.ca/ftmbo ] | Oct 03 05:59 |
| iophk | Like roaches, where there is one, there are many. | Oct 03 05:59 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, no i think we are talking two different things. :"The Linux Action show | Oct 03 05:59 |
| prurigro | lol | Oct 03 05:59 |
| gulag2013 | Jupiter broadcasting Network. | Oct 03 05:59 |
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| roy_1 | Linux Action Show is quite FOSS-hostile at times | Oct 03 06:01 |
| roy_1 | But with Bryan out there's hope for improvement | Oct 03 06:01 |
| prurigro | in what way? | Oct 03 06:01 |
| roy_1 | Matt Hartley is not that bad | Oct 03 06:01 |
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| gulag2013 | Bryan was an arrogant something | Oct 03 06:01 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: just watch what they say about RMS, FSF, GPL, etc. | Oct 03 06:01 |
| roy_1 | !google linux action show techrights | Oct 03 06:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Is Jupiter Broadcasting's Linux Action Show Anti-GNU ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/05/05/linux-sucks-fud/ | Oct 03 06:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Links 16/8/2013: Tropico 5 for GNU/Linux, KDE 4.11 ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/08/16/kde-4-11-released/ | Oct 03 06:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - TechBytes Episode 86: Debian GNU/Linux and Firmware | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/24/techbytes-episode-86/ | Oct 03 06:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Novell/SUSE is Microsoft in Linux | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/06/microsoft-in-linux/ | Oct 03 06:01 |
| prurigro | roy_1: haha, well I mean, it sounds like they like their BSD license according to gulag2013, so I'd say that's pretty par for course | Oct 03 06:02 |
| prurigro | the fsf and rms are far from perfect, too | Oct 03 06:02 |
| JimmyCarter | im depressed they busted DPR, i thought that guy was like John Hancock. | Oct 03 06:02 |
| JimmyCarter | making me realize what i moral outrage i think drug prohibition is | Oct 03 06:03 |
| JimmyCarter | _so many_ persecuted. (for pursuit of happiness, heh) | Oct 03 06:03 |
| prurigro | and the gpl has arguments against it; whether you agree with those arguments or not is a matter of personal philosophy though of course | Oct 03 06:03 |
| prurigro | JimmyCarter: yeah :( I was watching the storycorps interview with him and his friend earlier tonight and he seemed like such a friendly, intelligent, creative guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh68DDUYVPM&html5=1 | Oct 03 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | StoryCorps Interview with Rene Pinnell and Ross Ulbricht (DreadPirateRoberts of Silk Road) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ftmda ] | Oct 03 06:04 |
| prurigro | more like persuit of avoiding hard questions and maintaining obedience (depending on which drug you're talking about) | Oct 03 06:05 |
| JimmyCarter | "happiness" | Oct 03 06:06 |
| JimmyCarter | heh | Oct 03 06:06 |
| prurigro | at the end of the storycorps interview, he talks about where he'd like to be in 5 years and 20 years, and his answers were respectively having a family and changing the world for the better in some way | Oct 03 06:09 |
| prurigro | made me sad :( | Oct 03 06:09 |
| JimmyCarter | seems political groups subject to inversionary forces (like repbulicans being liberal and democrats conservative, and over history switching). now christians are the anti-christ. and government is anti-government. | Oct 03 06:11 |
| prurigro | I feel like whoever is in charge likes the elimination of privacy because they have control over the information gleaned from said scenario | Oct 03 06:12 |
| prurigro | and whoever's no in charge is horrified by the "other party" having access to this information, so they're against the elimination of privacy | Oct 03 06:13 |
| prurigro | not* | Oct 03 06:13 |
| JimmyCarter | or government is anti-people. | Oct 03 06:13 |
| prurigro | hence inversionary when the party in power flips | Oct 03 06:13 |
| JimmyCarter | for gods sake could we simply stop persecuting each other and maybe even pay the bills | Oct 03 06:13 |
| prurigro | government in the US has grown unchecked to a point where it seems like many decisions are about self preservation (in the form its in) rather than for the people | Oct 03 06:14 |
| prurigro | government itself isn't inherently either | Oct 03 06:14 |
| prurigro | and it can be good | Oct 03 06:14 |
| prurigro | I'm glad I down live down there either way | Oct 03 06:14 |
| JimmyCarter | maybe after US defaults on debt for first time something will change | Oct 03 06:25 |
| JimmyCarter | people and the market will care more about electing reasonable people | Oct 03 06:25 |
| prurigro | I don't see good things happening if the US defaults on debt and the gov't collapses | Oct 03 06:26 |
| JimmyCarter | i dont knwo exact details but think they can default "a little" | Oct 03 06:27 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385706508618858496 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707000845565952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707380669157376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707934652825601 | Oct 03 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #NSA must really love #Microsoft right now http://t.co/Z2NbqyTw4d http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0 | Oct 03 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eweek.com | Microsoft IE Zero-Day Flaw Exposure Widens | Oct 03 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights | Oct 03 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #nsa thinks that companies are easy to infiltrate (i.e. crack). It would know; that's what the NSA does. http://t.co/uetInDI7xs | Oct 03 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.computerworlduk.com | Former NSA CIO slams Fortune 100 companies' security - ComputerworldUK.com | Oct 03 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU http://t.co/4JZEidzq22 #gnu #fsf #history | Oct 03 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU - Open Enterprise | Oct 03 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "I still use Linux on my main PC because I enjoy the flexibility and power it offers." http://t.co/JPJCa9QeQz #gnu #linux | Oct 03 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> manilastandardtoday.com | A Mac for a Linux user - Manila Standard Today | Oct 03 06:27 |
| JimmyCarter | only the bonds coming due each day until agreement reached | Oct 03 06:27 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385708928082149376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385709592686387200 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385709957737644032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385710415277457408 | Oct 03 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reviews: First look at Tiny Core Linux 5.0 http://t.co/MrxQvq8EgN "this is not a "turnkey" distribution for general purpose use." | Oct 03 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Oct 03 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New Firefox 25 Beta Launched on All Available Platforms http://t.co/Z00eH2XFp2 strong brand, still? http://t.co/tFQcfLhRFR | Oct 03 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | New Firefox 25 Beta Launched on All Available Platforms | Oct 03 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.complex.com | No One Knows What the Firefox Logo is, and Last Night's Jeopardy! Proved It | Complex | Oct 03 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Nouveau Keeps Pushing Forward With Improvements http://t.co/5zMA01ymdc #linux #graphics | Oct 03 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Nouveau Keeps Pushing Forward With Improvements | Oct 03 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SUSE is a goner http://t.co/SJbIyAAj4g | Oct 03 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.internetnews.com | Red Hat Doesn't See SUSE Linux as a Major Competitive Threat - InternetNews. | Oct 03 06:28 |
| prurigro | shame they didn't shut down the NSA datacenter while the gov't was closed | Oct 03 06:28 |
| prurigro | that takes a couple million in power each day | Oct 03 06:28 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: what's with this shutdown meme? | Oct 03 06:29 |
| roy_1 | Some 4chan joke? | Oct 03 06:29 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385710723739189248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385711193190834176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385711635320811520 | Oct 03 06:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fedora Linux 20 Gears Up to Be a Big Data Server http://t.co/Pkc2xLa9fW better use CentOS. #fedora #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 03 06:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.serverwatch.com | Fedora Linux 20 Gears Up to Be a Big Data Server | Oct 03 06:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debian Edu / Skolelinux Wheezy a complete Linux solution for your school http://t.co/viuYjU9ur2 #debian #education | Oct 03 06:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.debian.org | Debian -- News -- Debian Edu / Skolelinux Wheezy a complete Linux solution for your school | Oct 03 06:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? http://t.co/xMR8bdHpOW #slackware #gnu #linux | Oct 03 06:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.makeuseof.com | Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? | Oct 03 06:29 |
| gulag2013 | Nasa.gov is still down. I don't follow what is going on with the United States Corporation anymore. | Oct 03 06:29 |
| JimmyCarter | yup... or shutdown the fbi targeting libertines | Oct 03 06:29 |
| JimmyCarter | i would like to see fbi and cia agents in jail, congress members in jail, lobbyists in jail, bankers in jail | Oct 03 06:31 |
| JimmyCarter | nsa agents in jail | Oct 03 06:31 |
| iophk | managers instead | Oct 03 06:31 |
| iophk | those are the decision makers | Oct 03 06:31 |
| prurigro | roy_1: shutdown meme? it literally shutdown (aside from manditory services) | Oct 03 06:32 |
| prurigro | of which somehow the NSA is one | Oct 03 06:32 |
| JimmyCarter | instead the feds are busy hunting hacker kids | Oct 03 06:33 |
| gulag2013 | and Raw milk | Oct 03 06:33 |
| JimmyCarter | heres a helpful guideline for decidign who you should prosecute | Oct 03 06:36 |
| JimmyCarter | 1. are they hurting anyone? 2 are they abusing special privilege? (ie looting public office to loot pension funds) | Oct 03 06:36 |
| gulag2013 | I started waking up a few years after 9/11. You don't want to wake up. Stay asleep. You can't have conversations with family and friends anymore. | Oct 03 06:37 |
| iophk | I'm not sure its a reliable source, but it is interesting : http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-hurting-the-entertainment-industry-121003/ | Oct 03 06:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isnt Killing The Entertainment Industry, Scholars Show | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/ftmp8 ] | Oct 03 06:37 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: you think? I find it makes for good convo with some folks- others who aren't interested still have intersets you can talk about :) | Oct 03 06:39 |
| roy_1 | [11:32] <iophk> those are the decision makers | Oct 03 06:40 |
| roy_1 | Nurmberg trials | Oct 03 06:40 |
| iophk | both are | Oct 03 06:40 |
| iophk | I should clarify that the managers should be included even if they are not getting their hands dirty directly. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| gulag2013 | In a venue like this it's encouraged. I felt very alone with my views. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| roy_1 | same for organised religions | Oct 03 06:41 |
| prurigro | there should be oversight departments that keep others in check | Oct 03 06:41 |
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| roy_1 | Falwell ewt al. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: do you live in the US? up here in Canada people are pretty reasonable | Oct 03 06:42 |
| roy_1 | Those who laugh like little devils while their peons abuse society | Oct 03 06:42 |
| gulag2013 | United States yes. | Oct 03 06:42 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: for now | Oct 03 06:42 |
| roy_1 | wait until the falwell's leave the bankrupt US and buy homes in Canada or China or Singapore etc. | Oct 03 06:42 |
| roy_1 | China as in HK or Macau | Oct 03 06:43 |
| roy_1 | they wouldn't want their hands dirty in mainland china, only the globalist islands like seoul and japana | Oct 03 06:43 |
| roy_1 | *japan | Oct 03 06:43 |
| prurigro | roy_1: who are these falwells? | Oct 03 06:43 |
| roy_1 | *falwell | Oct 03 06:43 |
| roy_1 | or *falwells | Oct 03 06:43 |
| roy_1 | I am tying while lying, so.. | Oct 03 06:44 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: or cheneys | Oct 03 06:44 |
| roy_1 | sociopaths who rally crowds or easily impressionable people | Oct 03 06:44 |
| roy_1 | rallying for wars, theft, etc. | Oct 03 06:44 |
| prurigro | oh hm, are there enough of them to influence an entire culture? | Oct 03 06:44 |
| prurigro | we got the equivalent of fox news up here (sun news) and absolutely noone watches it | Oct 03 06:45 |
| prurigro | people were worried at first that it would start eroding our brains | Oct 03 06:45 |
| roy_1 | using captailist orgs also, to motivate people to work for under-minimum-wage jobs (inc. military) and serve someone else's interests | Oct 03 06:45 |
| roy_1 | Ther corporate media grooms those 'leaders' | Oct 03 06:45 |
| roy_1 | Canada doesn't have many Trumps yet | Oct 03 06:46 |
| roy_1 | But there are those French-like types who are getting there | Oct 03 06:46 |
| roy_1 | in Quebec I think | Oct 03 06:46 |
| roy_1 | and some magnates | Oct 03 06:46 |
| prurigro | we have a number of extremely rich, though yes, we're far more balanced re: middle class | Oct 03 06:46 |
| prurigro | we're also the most educated country in the world | Oct 03 06:46 |
| roy_1 | In thre US, look at the richesy city | Oct 03 06:46 |
| roy_1 | iot's ruled by one of those sociopaths | Oct 03 06:46 |
| roy_1 | he cracked the vote | Oct 03 06:46 |
| roy_1 | and now the thieves rule it | Oct 03 06:46 |
| roy_1 | Bloomberg and his mates in WS | Oct 03 06:47 |
| roy_1 | It's like Gotham city, but not renamed | Oct 03 06:47 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: Scandinavia probably well ahead of Canada | Oct 03 06:47 |
| prurigro | which? | Oct 03 06:47 |
| prurigro | ahead in which* | Oct 03 06:48 |
| roy_1 | Denmark | Oct 03 06:48 |
| roy_1 | Their academic output is impressive | Oct 03 06:48 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/10/03/portuguese-government-bye-bye-wintel/ | Oct 03 06:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Portuguese government: Bye-bye Wintel | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/ftmsv ] | Oct 03 06:48 |
| prurigro | roy_1: ahh, well, I guess it depends whether you trust Time http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/27/and-the-worlds-most-educated-country-is/ | Oct 03 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | newsfeed.time.com | And the Worlds Most Educated Country Is | TIME.com [ http://ur1.ca/ftmtf ] | Oct 03 06:50 |
| prurigro | (and other publications that printed the same story) | Oct 03 06:50 |
| gulag2013 | Wait a tick, United States is #4? I would have imagined it much lower. Good going Canadians! | Oct 03 06:52 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: hmm yeah, I guess we can thank community colleges down there eh? those are actually priced to allow people to pay off the debt eventually right? | Oct 03 06:54 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: depends how you measure it | Oct 03 06:54 |
| roy_1 | Time is PROPAGANDA | Oct 03 06:54 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, it's still way to expensive. | Oct 03 06:54 |
| roy_1 | as anyone with life experience knows | Oct 03 06:54 |
| roy_1 | Time is one of the worst | Oct 03 06:54 |
| roy_1 | US higher education is excellent | Oct 03 06:54 |
| prurigro | roy_1: its measured based on the % of the population with post secondary education | Oct 03 06:55 |
| roy_1 | but | Oct 03 06:55 |
| roy_1 | you have to count only the top schools | Oct 03 06:55 |
| roy_1 | Europeans too would go there | Oct 03 06:55 |
| prurigro | US higher education is ridiculously expensive without a scholarship | Oct 03 06:55 |
| roy_1 | and no unis in the EU except few (Oxbridge for example) can compete with the redbrick US unis that attract students who are brightest in India, China, and become leaders in such nations | Oct 03 06:56 |
| prurigro | you can go to school, rent an apartment and eat for the year here for less than the US charges to go in the first place, and its still considered pretty pricey up here | Oct 03 06:56 |
| gulag2013 | You can't write off Student loan debt. | Oct 03 06:56 |
| roy_1 | The US would also rank high amond Western nations for stupidity | Oct 03 06:57 |
| roy_1 | lots of lower class there | Oct 03 06:57 |
| roy_1 | no middle | Oct 03 06:57 |
| roy_1 | literacy is high in the US because the lang is easy in relative terms and there's only one language | Oct 03 06:57 |
| prurigro | the lower class is likely at fault for not scoring better on that comparison | Oct 03 06:57 |
| prurigro | there's also manditory schooling for both sexes | Oct 03 06:58 |
| prurigro | that itself does a lot | Oct 03 06:58 |
| roy_1 | In countries that have many well ecucated people the working class comes from abroad | Oct 03 06:58 |
| roy_1 | Like in Singapore | Oct 03 06:58 |
| roy_1 | So that gives a better meaure of % that is well educated | Oct 03 06:58 |
| roy_1 | South Korea might be also, but also high on suicide rates | Oct 03 06:59 |
| prurigro | sorth korea has a different style of education- same with china | Oct 03 06:59 |
| prurigro | more acheivement based | Oct 03 06:59 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: only compared to non-Western nations, about 90% of the world | Oct 03 06:59 |
| gulag2013 | Sigh, what are the reasons for the suicides? | Oct 03 06:59 |
| prurigro | they're worked wayyy too hard | Oct 03 06:59 |
| prurigro | and their entire life revolves around school | Oct 03 07:00 |
| prurigro | imagine failing when the only thing measuring the value of your life as far as anyone you know is concerned is school | Oct 03 07:00 |
| prurigro | their social time with friends are often in the form of study groups, and they join clubs to allot time away from studying | Oct 03 07:01 |
| gulag2013 | That is awful. We are all trained from an early age competition. It sounds even worse SK | Oct 03 07:02 |
| prurigro | yeah, SK is one of the worst from what I've read | Oct 03 07:02 |
| prurigro | apparently university is really easy, in contrast, assuming they have the marks to get in | Oct 03 07:02 |
| prurigro | and sometimes this causes students to crash, not having constant work to do | Oct 03 07:03 |
| prurigro | maybe that's why so many people end up into serious gaming | Oct 03 07:03 |
| prurigro | high reward activity they can focus on when there's nothing else to do | Oct 03 07:03 |
| gulag2013 | So you are talking more about dopamine ? Is the gaming free will? | Oct 03 07:05 |
| prurigro | the dopamine system is very complex and is involved in all sorts of short term and delayed reward type behavious | Oct 03 07:06 |
| prurigro | there's also no such thing as free will | Oct 03 07:06 |
| gulag2013 | No free will for the Gamers, or in general? Can you clarify? | Oct 03 07:09 |
| prurigro | in general | Oct 03 07:09 |
| prurigro | how could there be free will? actions are either cause and effect, or they're random | Oct 03 07:10 |
| gulag2013 | Now you are making me think. :). I meant that I personally have choices and I'm not being forced to participate in an activity or face pain and injury. | Oct 03 07:12 |
| prurigro | you definitely have choices, but those choices are decided by a complex network of chain reactions occuring in your body and brain | Oct 03 07:12 |
| prurigro | if you hit rewind on time and stopped at yesterday, then hit play, everything would happen the exact same as it did the first time | Oct 03 07:14 |
| prurigro | all the same variables are in place and physics still work the same, so everything will play out just as it had previously | Oct 03 07:14 |
| prurigro | not that time exists as we understand it | Oct 03 07:15 |
| prurigro | but we're talking about our own experience of things so I think we can speak as though it did | Oct 03 07:15 |
| MinceR | that's one view of things | Oct 03 07:15 |
| prurigro | I'm open to counter arguments :) | Oct 03 07:16 |
| MinceR | for example, as far as i know, nuclear decay is still an unpredictable process | Oct 03 07:16 |
| prurigro | I mean, we're assuming reality exists as we're seemingly able to meausure it, for some of the more far reaching statements, but that said, I've yet to hear anyone describe a possible universe where free will could be true | Oct 03 07:16 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385718132427722752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385718553472958464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385719339464531968 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385721706062819328 | Oct 03 07:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Portuguese government set on increasing use of open source https://t.co/6Su3L7sF0r more jobs for FOSS experts there. #portugal | Oct 03 07:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> joinup.ec.europa.eu | Portuguese government set on increasing use of open source | Joinup | Oct 03 07:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "London School of Economics...urging the UK Government to look beyond the lobbying efforts of " MAFIAA http://t.co/Jh8APGIfnh | Oct 03 07:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isnt Killing The Entertainment Industry, Scholars Show | TorrentFreak | Oct 03 07:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Rather than 'teach' people specific SW tools, train them Free SW repos. Rather than have them memorise menus, give them free apps lists. | Oct 03 07:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: BT thinks that E-mail addresses with just one character before the @ sign are not valid E-mail addresses. Are they hiring IT-savvy people? | Oct 03 07:17 |
| MinceR | it may be entirely deterministic or not | Oct 03 07:17 |
| prurigro | MinceR: free will requires randomness first of all | Oct 03 07:17 |
| MinceR | afaik there is randomness in certain processes | Oct 03 07:17 |
| MinceR | also, some determinists seem to define free will differently | Oct 03 07:17 |
| prurigro | but they've actually mapped previously random quantum physical processes to predictable system, recently | Oct 03 07:17 |
| MinceR | there also seems to be undecidedness in some processes | Oct 03 07:18 |
| MinceR | url? | Oct 03 07:18 |
| prurigro | getting... | Oct 03 07:18 |
| prurigro | https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/ | Oct 03 07:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.simonsfoundation.org | Physicists Discover Geometry Underlying Particle Physics | Simons Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/fmpls ] | Oct 03 07:19 |
| MinceR | i remember reading about this but i don't remember anything about it proving determinism | Oct 03 07:20 |
| prurigro | top comment here summarizes it nicely http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1mpdh1/physicists_have_discovered_a_jewellike_geometric/ | Oct 03 07:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.reddit.com | Physicists have discovered a jewel-like geometric object that dramatically simplifies calculations of particle interactions and challenges the notion that space and time are fundamental components of reality. : Futurology [ http://ur1.ca/ftn4v ] | Oct 03 07:20 |
| MinceR | i'll re-read | Oct 03 07:20 |
| prurigro | it doesn't prove determinism, but it explains what was previously seen as an example of randomness | Oct 03 07:20 |
| prurigro | future random behaviour could still be uncovered disproving determinsm, of course-- the door never closes because we can never be sure we know everything about everything :) | Oct 03 07:21 |
| MinceR | it was previously already known that the behavior of larger number of particles together is less weird to us and seems more deterministic | Oct 03 07:21 |
| prurigro | that said, determinsm or not, randomness is not free will anymore than determinism | Oct 03 07:21 |
| MinceR | i think that randomness by itself is sufficient for free will | Oct 03 07:22 |
| MinceR | (as in the two being indistinguishable for an outside observer) | Oct 03 07:22 |
| prurigro | randomness implies rewinding time won't necessarily end up back at this moment when you hit play again, it doesn't mean someone has the ability to rise above causality and make a truly free choice, just that one choice was selected or another | Oct 03 07:24 |
| MinceR | the whole point of randomness is that something doesn't entirely depend on causes | Oct 03 07:25 |
| prurigro | that said, this new model encompases the past, present 'and' future in modelling the outcome, so if the future is undecided, I wonder how this could be the case | Oct 03 07:25 |
| MinceR | you know that a nucleus is unstable and you still won't be able to predict when it will decay | Oct 03 07:25 |
| MinceR | well, certain physical processes were already independent on the arrow of time | Oct 03 07:25 |
| MinceR | s/t on/t of/ | Oct 03 07:26 |
| prurigro | you're argueing determinsm, which I think is probably the case but can't be 100% sure (and thereore I agree to an extent), but I'm talking free will, which implies something like deterministic choice making without the determinism, which I feel almost definitely doesn't exist (or at least the mechanism for a possible example of how this would work hasn't been described to me) | Oct 03 07:27 |
| prurigro | an inability to predict doesn't preclude random events | Oct 03 07:27 |
| MinceR | that does seem to be an impossible definition | Oct 03 07:27 |
| MinceR | but i wouldn't define free will that way | Oct 03 07:28 |
| prurigro | there are certainly more than one definition in philosophy | Oct 03 07:29 |
| prurigro | I suppose you'd be what this wiki article calls a "compatibilist" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will | Oct 03 07:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Free will - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 03 07:29 |
| MinceR | i'm actually unsure of physical determinism being true | Oct 03 07:30 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if i've thought about whether determinism would preclude free will :) | Oct 03 07:30 |
| prurigro | I feel like compatibilism renders the idea of free will to simply be a more in depth description of "decision" and "choice" though | Oct 03 07:31 |
| prurigro | and well, I mean, "free will as unpredictability" uses some bad foundations, but I don't think the ideas it poses are necessarily so different from your nuclear decay example | Oct 03 07:32 |
| prurigro | I agree with "Free will as a pragmatically useful concept" too, I mean, we can't operate as if we lack it, even if we in fact do | Oct 03 07:33 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if we can do anything with the concept of free will at this level anyway | Oct 03 07:34 |
| MinceR | we'll just do what we do and experience it as acting freely or not | Oct 03 07:34 |
| prurigro | yeah, which is basically what the pragmatism theory states | Oct 03 07:35 |
| MinceR | maybe if we somehow prove determinism or nondeterminism, we will be able to grasp the idea better | Oct 03 07:35 |
| prurigro | its more like how Decartes described solipsism; a useful mental excercise to understand where things stand, but not something you'd actively enable the use of in your life | Oct 03 07:36 |
| MinceR | they did say it was philosophy :> | Oct 03 07:36 |
| MinceR | that's true | Oct 03 07:36 |
| MinceR | and yet solipsism may be true | Oct 03 07:36 |
| MinceR | (it's just that fact (if it is) won't be practically useful) | Oct 03 07:36 |
| prurigro | it certainly is, if you want a logical definition of what we can know | Oct 03 07:36 |
| prurigro | yp | Oct 03 07:36 |
| prurigro | yup* | Oct 03 07:36 |
| prurigro | but it's good to know what we can know when looking at other things-- it's a good foundation for science, for example | Oct 03 07:37 |
| prurigro | something 'proven' is only proven based on the foundation of assumptions that were required for that proof | Oct 03 07:37 |
| MinceR | yes, but some (or all) of those assumptions might be empirical data | Oct 03 07:38 |
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| prurigro | yup, which are based on some pretty core assumptions that we've generally decided to assume as 'fact' | Oct 03 07:39 |
| prurigro | if it turns out reality is a simulation with some hilarious values plugged into the physics variables, we'll realize those assumptions aren't the case, and more likely if we find that elsewhere in the universe what we currently think of as static values turn out to be variables we can edit the model | Oct 03 07:40 |
| MinceR | they will be true about the contents of the simulation, at least for some time | Oct 03 07:41 |
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| prurigro | yup- and to be honest, either way, the values we're interacting with allow us to manipulate what we see as reality, so they're useful regardless of their universal truth | Oct 03 07:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 03 07:43 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtWxLACVXr8 | Oct 03 08:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bryan Cranston - Malcolm in the middle - I'm so full of bacon - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ftnov ] | Oct 03 08:24 |
| *DaemonFC wished that Fedora would package some decent GTK3 themes. | Oct 03 08:34 | |
| *DaemonFC wonders if anyone ported Nimbus or Nodoka... | Oct 03 08:34 | |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385739794938351616 | Oct 03 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Patent Reform Drafted, Addressing Wrong Matters, Unlikely to Resolve Litigation Epidemic http://t.co/WPzNCO4kkg #swpats #politics | Oct 03 08:46 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385744701154140160 | Oct 03 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Patent Reform Drafted, Addressing Wrong Matters, Unlikely to Resolve Litigation Epidemic | Techrights | Oct 03 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsofts Monopoly is Not Sustainable, Monopolist and Monopoly Abuser Bill Gates is Being Pushed Out http://t.co/dVLMKfrgpC | Oct 03 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsofts Monopoly is Not Sustainable, Monopolist and Monopoly Abuser Bill Gates is Being Pushed Out | Techrights | Oct 03 08:46 |
| iophk | http://www.zdnet.com/ex-microsoft-privacy-advisor-i-dont-trust-microsoft-thanks-to-prism-7000021443/ | Oct 03 08:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy advisor: I don't trust Microsoft, thanks to PRISM | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ftnzn ] | Oct 03 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | The brakes on my car haven't been quite right ever since the shop "fixed" them. | Oct 03 09:05 |
| *DaemonFC should probably check his brake fluid level today. | Oct 03 09:05 | |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754090221096960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754458711654400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754834168983552 | Oct 03 09:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The balconies galore http://t.co/pgWlqZO7Cf | Oct 03 09:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Trans Pacific Partnership a euphemism for attack on partnerships of people across the Pacific https://t.co/KhuySj5iZk | Oct 03 09:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bieber http://t.co/iD4f7mXDKe | Oct 03 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to keep expenses down. | Oct 03 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably be saving back for a newer car for at least 8-12 months. | Oct 03 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still trying to get a feel for what I should buy. | Oct 03 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | $2,000 doesn't buy anything decent anymore. | Oct 03 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | I've never spent more than $2,000 for a car. | Oct 03 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | I was about to move in on a 1999 Mercury Sable LS last month. Someone had obviously kept it garaged. No rust, dents, dings, scratches. Only put 90,000 miles on it. | Oct 03 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | It was gone before I could even call about it. :P | Oct 03 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | Those deals don't spring up very often. When they do, they're almost always sold before you can even call about it. | Oct 03 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4101891839.html | Oct 03 09:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1998 Pontiac Bonneville 3800 series 2 [ http://ur1.ca/ftojb ] | Oct 03 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's questionable... | Oct 03 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | " no check engine light or any other light on since I put it together. I have a snap-on scanner if you want to check." | Oct 03 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | So there's the possibility that the Check Engine light was on, but he hooked up the scanner and cleared the code. | Oct 03 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously clearing the code doesn't fix the problem. The light will come back on at some point, but the Check Engine light will probably go away long enough to sell the car to someone. | Oct 03 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | When my 1995 Chevrolet Corsica was getting ready to throw a rod, I poured some lucas oil additive in and that made it quiet down long enough to sell it to Gonad The Barbarian's daughter. | Oct 03 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | He was fucking pissed at me when the car broke down on her two weeks later. | Oct 03 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | But I had already cashed the check she had written me. | Oct 03 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | She filed a lawsuit against me in small claims court, but I told the judge that the sale was "as-is". I even showed him the bill of sale that she had signed that said "This vehicle is being sold as-is with no warranty included or implied." | Oct 03 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | He ended up ruling in my favor. | Oct 03 10:01 |
| roy_1 | LMAO | Oct 03 10:01 |
| roy_1 | Gonad tghe | Oct 03 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | That was a nice little car while it lasted. | Oct 03 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | it got me around for a few years | Oct 03 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | The 3.1 liter V6 in a "compact car". | Oct 03 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't feel cramped. I'm 6' 4" and I was very comfortable in it. | Oct 03 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | GM had to discontinue them after 1996 because the federal government decided that they weren't safe enough. | Oct 03 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | Well, isn't that really for the buyer to decide? | Oct 03 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | They let alot of very unsafe vehicles get sold every day. | Oct 03 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | That Jeep Liberty that my aunt drove rolled over eight times and killed her. | Oct 03 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | I would never drive something that rode that high above the ground. | Oct 03 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | The center of gravity makes it a rollover hazard. | Oct 03 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | I think they still make them though. | Oct 03 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | The one she drove was a 2007. That was the year that Jeep lowered them by like an inch because the government was concerned about the rollover problem. | Oct 03 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | So they obviously did not fix that by lowering it an inch. | Oct 03 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | The government allows car manufacturers to make and sell death traps all the time. | Oct 03 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | Now they're trying to convince people to go sub-compact because of gas prices. | Oct 03 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather pay a little bit more for gas and actually have some vehicle surrounding me if I get into an accident. | Oct 03 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are, because you can't control what other people are doing. | Oct 03 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | You go to Fort Wayne or Indianapolis and people drive like maniacs. | Oct 03 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | They'll change lanes without signaling with about two inches to spare. | Oct 03 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | People are fucking dumb. | Oct 03 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I really want a Crown Vic or something about that size. | Oct 03 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | The vehicle can be replaced. I'd rather that the vehicle gets destroyed saving my life. | Oct 03 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | I can always worry about the money later. | Oct 03 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | Walk away from the accident today and sue the crap out of their insurance company tomorrow. | Oct 03 10:11 |
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| DaemonFC | My bank is pissing me off. | Oct 03 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | I might switch banks today | Oct 03 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | Mom keeps telling me to join her credit union. That's not going to happen. | Oct 03 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | They'd charge me $72 a year just to have an account. | Oct 03 10:46 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/385785225915412480 https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/385785456258187264 | Oct 03 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @eee_eff: @schestowitz curious where this is... | Oct 03 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @eee_eff: @schestowitz curious where this was taken...? | Oct 03 11:43 |
| roy_1 | maybe computer-generated? | Oct 03 11:43 |
| iophk | (12.57.33) roy_1: [10:49] <gulag2013> That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSD | Oct 03 11:44 |
| iophk | http://www.bsdnow.tv/about | Oct 03 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bsdnow.tv | About | BSD Now | Oct 03 11:44 |
| iophk | Maybe he should move on from the Linux show. | Oct 03 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | roy_1, http://www.paulrichardgm.com/VehicleDetails/used-2002-LINCOLN-Town_Car-4dr_Sdn_Sig.-Peru-IN/2076281253 | Oct 03 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.paulrichardgm.com | 2002 LINCOLN Town Car for sale in Peru - 1LNHM82W92Y650064 - Paul-Richard GM Center [ http://ur1.ca/ftplz ] | Oct 03 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | What do you think? | Oct 03 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | Should I buy it? B-) | Oct 03 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | My mom would shit if I pulled up in a Lincoln Town Car. | Oct 03 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | It's got 128,000 miles on it, but I've seen lots of cars with that engine up over 250,000. | Oct 03 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | Those big V8s are pretty resilient. | Oct 03 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | Plus it's rare to find a Town Car/Crown Vic/Grand Marquis that was abused. | Oct 03 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | They don't generally appeal to young people. | Oct 03 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | People that drive these things are usually in their 70s or older. | Oct 03 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I'll go look at that Town Car if they still have it on their lot on Saturday. | Oct 03 12:08 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385803568105943041 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385799703587454976 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385795381986336768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385792080532213760 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385791986722418688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385775422778392576 | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Oldest Actively-maintained Distribution of GNU/Linux, Slackware 14.1, is Coming Soon http://t.co/hweh3Ahbkt #slackware #gnu #linux | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Oldest Actively-maintained Distribution of GNU/Linux, Slackware 14.1, is Coming Soon | Techrights | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft Linux (aka SUSE) No Longer a Threat to Red Hat http://t.co/0Y7w19LDJx #redhat #suse #novell | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft Linux (aka SUSE) No Longer a Threat to Red Hat | Techrights | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fedora Turns 10, Release 20 Approaches http://t.co/y0MXvg66Pt #fedora #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Fedora Turns 10, Release 20 Approaches | Techrights | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Dont Buy GNU/Linux, Tizen, or Android From Samsung http://t.co/8FOMSgDNcs #linux #tizen #android | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Dont Buy GNU/Linux, Tizen, or Android From Samsung | Techrights | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Spam and phishing pretending to be from LinkedIn finally seem to outpace spam from LinkedIn itself (the site that's a mess in one's inbox) | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Even Microsoft Chief (Departed) Admits That Microsoft is a Very Serious Violator of Privacy http://t.co/na2Ft8Ush3 #privacy #nsa | Oct 03 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Even Microsoft Chief (Departed) Admits That Microsoft is a Very Serious Violator of Privacy | Techrights | Oct 03 12:30 |
| iophk | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/10/lowering-your-standards | Oct 03 12:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eff.org | Lowering Your Standards: DRM and the Future of the W3C | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/fth2s ] | Oct 03 12:54 |
| Sosumi | yay samsung, I wouldn't buy their stuff nor any other android device with a fork of android | Oct 03 12:57 |
| Sosumi | simply because I don't know what kind of telemetry tools the manufacturer as put on the thing | Oct 03 12:58 |
| Sosumi | not that I like android, but at least the thing is free soft and the nexus things come with the bootloader unlocked... | Oct 03 12:58 |
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| Sosumi | actually, I don't like cell phones at all, netbook with umts/lte modem > all | Oct 03 13:00 |
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| sebsebseb | Oct 03 13:09 | |
| sebsebseb | join #unity-coders | Oct 03 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | nope nothing to do with Canonial Ubuntu Unty ^ | Oct 03 13:10 |
| sebsebseb | or that Unity 3D thing | Oct 03 13:10 |
| Sosumi | buuu, mark shutleworm | Oct 03 13:10 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134992 | Oct 03 13:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Bieber http://31.media.tumblr.com/e34f801846cd44e824e56c6ce3396ee0/tumblr_mtr5mqjLxW1rf38dto1_500.png | Oct 03 13:10 |
| roy_1 | "You know in french Justin Bieber can be pronounced "Juste Imbib" (say "Just um bib") (in english : "just soaked") which means "just drunk" :D" | Oct 03 13:10 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: near you later this mnth again or kind of | Oct 03 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | Liverpool | Oct 03 13:11 |
| roy_1 | so come to manc | Oct 03 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: probably not | Oct 03 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | train already going to be expensie | Oct 03 13:12 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128938 | Oct 03 13:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #beliefs #atheist | Oct 03 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | going to Liverpool and bac | Oct 03 13:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by pritam@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_1f0c135ff816d5799ae0.png | Oct 03 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | and hotel will be expeise to | Oct 03 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: come to OGG Camp maybe :d | Oct 03 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: http://oggcamp.org | Oct 03 13:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | oggcamp.org | OggCamp | Oct 03 13:12 |
| roy_1 | "Why worry about commenting on other people's opinions on D*? Get over it, you weakling. ;-)" | Oct 03 13:13 |
| iophk | "It's just surprising and disappointing to see the W3C and its Director gamble against the precedent of their own success, as well as the fears and consciences of so many of their colleagues." | Oct 03 13:20 |
| iophk | old - https://lkml.org/lkml/2001/12/18/246 | Oct 03 13:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lkml.org | LKML: Alan Cox: Re: [OT] DRM OS | Oct 03 13:41 |
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| roy_1 | got | Oct 03 13:43 |
| roy_1 | question | Oct 03 13:43 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 03 13:44 |
| roy_1 | why is it that in kubuntu 13.04 firefox and thunderbird sometimes don't have spellcheck as you ty | Oct 03 13:45 |
| roy_1 | It's a known bug in older versions | Oct 03 13:45 |
| roy_1 | and i preserved old settings | Oct 03 13:45 |
| iophk | I stopped using KDE a while back, I'm passing though an LXDE phase. | Oct 03 13:45 |
| roy_1 | I tried all sorts of things, behaviour is not even consistent, sometimes it works. sometimes (most of the time) not | Oct 03 13:46 |
| iophk | Does it happen even in other apps? | Oct 03 13:46 |
| iophk | Maybe also in a simple text editor. | Oct 03 13:46 |
| roy_1 | also, gtk GUI (coarse) in Firefox | Oct 03 13:47 |
| roy_1 | In some sites Firefox behaves OK | Oct 03 13:47 |
| roy_1 | Anyway, I am still adjusting to this new system | Oct 03 13:47 |
| iophk | Did you get the apps added ok? | Oct 03 13:47 |
| roy_1 | qt apps like kate work well | Oct 03 13:48 |
| roy_1 | ah! | Oct 03 13:50 |
| roy_1 | I've solved it for Firefox | Oct 03 13:50 |
| roy_1 | odd checkbox | Oct 03 13:50 |
| roy_1 | Let's try thunderbird | Oct 03 13:50 |
| iophk | Why was the problem intermittent? Which checkbox? | Oct 03 13:50 |
| roy_1 | wrote 7 posts today, but still spending days on many other things | Oct 03 13:51 |
| roy_1 | need to choose a dictionary | Oct 03 13:51 |
| roy_1 | oh | Oct 03 13:52 |
| roy_1 | and to make it more fscked up | Oct 03 13:53 |
| roy_1 | in thunderbird the spellchecker always works OK in subject line | Oct 03 13:53 |
| roy_1 | a complete reversal compared to old versions | Oct 03 13:53 |
| roy_1 | where thunderbird didn't have the ability to do this | Oct 03 13:53 |
| roy_1 | having seen my colleague sending off a message to a client saying "hell andrew" today (not Hello), I do need this fixed | Oct 03 13:54 |
| iophk | Thunderbird->Preferences->Composition->Spelling->Enable spell check as you type should have done it but it doesn't | Oct 03 13:58 |
| roy_1 | yes, but if only this was the issue... | Oct 03 14:08 |
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| roy_1 | There are many bug reprots and reported fixes like https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/945769 | Oct 03 14:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | support.mozilla.org | Spell Check is not working, still...... | Firefox Support Forum | Mozilla Support [ http://ur1.ca/ftqts ] | Oct 03 14:09 |
| roy_1 | YouTube broke the video downloaders again | Oct 03 14:09 |
| roy_1 | moving goalposts | Oct 03 14:09 |
| roy_1 | will post your EFF link re DRM | Oct 03 14:10 |
| iophk | caching and autoplay are messed up too in Youtube | Oct 03 14:10 |
| iophk | There was some news a while back about the DRM, but it looks like nothing has changed since then. | Oct 03 14:10 |
| iophk | T B-L of all people used to be for an open web. He designed it that way and defended that design up until recently. | Oct 03 14:11 |
| roy_1 | I thinkl | Oct 03 14:11 |
| roy_1 | Android tends to serve via html5 | Oct 03 14:11 |
| roy_1 | the Web is getting more messy in some areas though | Oct 03 14:11 |
| iophk | FirefoxOS will use HTML5 apps | Oct 03 14:11 |
| roy_1 | changed dictionaries, restarts, works now? | Oct 03 14:14 |
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| Sosumi | when does the US default on it's debt? drama is getting nauseating | Oct 03 14:27 |
| MinceR | i think it's going to take quite a bit of thrashing | Oct 03 14:27 |
| Sosumi | no MMA? | Oct 03 14:27 |
| Sosumi | obama vs X | Oct 03 14:28 |
| Sosumi | joking aside, how many will suffer from beneficts cuts? | Oct 03 14:29 |
| schestowitz_bed | they can't cut benefit | Oct 03 14:29 |
| schestowitz_bed | it would rile up well armed people | Oct 03 14:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | more militias | Oct 03 14:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | The plutocrats need to appease those people with at least soup kiutchen | Oct 03 14:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | or flee the country to their second home overseas | Oct 03 14:30 |
| Sosumi | I see | Oct 03 14:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | or make the unemployed join the army | Oct 03 14:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | which post-wikileaks era is harder, people are better informed | Oct 03 14:31 |
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| schestowitz_bed | they turns against their government and those who run it (buy congress), not other races and immigrants, as Rupert Murdoch's Fox 'news' wants them tpo | Oct 03 14:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | (sorry for typos, not sitting down) | Oct 03 14:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | !google ag holder worries anti government | Oct 03 14:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - AG Holder: Americans Not Worried Enough About Home-Grown ... | http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/14649-ag-holder-americans-not-worried-enough-about-home-grown-terrorists | Oct 03 14:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - AG Holder's 'see no evil' Muslim dilemma Fresh Ink -- GOPUSA | http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2013/05/02/ag-holders-see-no-evil-muslim-dilemma/ | Oct 03 14:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Dimon meets with AG Holder over DOJ probe | Crain's New York ... | http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130926/FINANCE/130929919 | Oct 03 14:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Politico: AG Holder Now Untouchable - Breitbart | http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/19/Politico-AG-Holder-Now-Untouchable | Oct 03 14:32 |
| Sosumi | well, the shadow gov will keep things rolling while the drama play goes on | Oct 03 14:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | see [1] above | Oct 03 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=605962 | Oct 03 14:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | boards.straightdope.com | Has anyone ever owned a Lincoln Town car? Did you like it - Straight Dope Message Board [ http://ur1.ca/ftr4h ] | Oct 03 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | "handling of a small ocean liner" | Oct 03 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 03 14:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | he calls unrest terrorism | Oct 03 14:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | already calling USians "terrorists" | Oct 03 14:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | I guess that's how he justifies droning at least 4 USians. 3 by accident | Oct 03 14:33 |
| Sosumi | *facepalm* public unrest is a reflection of the crap the politicians and wall St do | Oct 03 14:34 |
| Sosumi | and well, dupping mentally chalenged folks | Oct 03 14:36 |
| Sosumi | more canon fodder for the prison industrial complex | Oct 03 14:36 |
| Sosumi | will the new US assembled mac pro be shipped from a prison near you? lol | Oct 03 14:37 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-03/shots-fired-near-us-capitol-lockdown-mode | Oct 03 14:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Shots Fired Near US Capitol; Capitol In Lockdown; Shelter in Place Ordered in - Live Feed | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/ftr6v ] | Oct 03 14:39 |
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| Sosumi | who let the lsd guy out? | Oct 03 14:49 |
| Sosumi | with a gun :/ | Oct 03 14:50 |
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| Sosumi | http://screendwellers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/TheyLive1041111.jpg | Oct 03 15:44 |
| Sosumi | everything's ok now | Oct 03 15:45 |
| Sosumi | http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/NATL-Shots-Fired-at-Nations-Capitol-226341941.html | Oct 03 15:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.nbcwashington.com | Shots Fired Near Nation's Capitol | NBC4 Washington [ http://ur1.ca/ftrqj ] | Oct 03 15:46 |
| Sosumi | "lockdown" lifted | Oct 03 15:46 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/03/iphone_5s_motion_sensors_are_totally_screwed_up/ | Oct 03 15:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - iPhone 5S Motion Sensors Are Totally Screwed Up [ http://ur1.ca/ftrqv ] | Oct 03 15:47 |
| Sosumi | that's what happens when you're on LSD | Oct 03 15:47 |
| Sosumi | that and Helvetica Neue | Oct 03 15:48 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter, they'll buy it anyway | Oct 03 16:07 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 03 17:19 |
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| MinceR | http://apina.biz/108783 | Oct 04 02:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | apina.biz | NO TITLE | Oct 04 02:22 |
| gulag2013 | Interesting. It's to bad I don't allow cookies. | Oct 04 02:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 04 02:25 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz_bed | "All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry." | Oct 04 04:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | Edgar Allan Poe | Oct 04 04:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 04 04:15 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/how-a-telecom-helped-the-government-spy-on-me/ | Oct 04 08:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | How a telecom helped the government spy on me | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fu04f ] | Oct 04 08:07 |
| iophk | more "metadata" | Oct 04 08:07 |
| iophk | "The point here is that now Berners-Lee has officially blessed the idea of locking down HTML, it will be hard if not impossible to resist calls for the same technology to be applied in other ways." | Oct 04 08:25 |
| iophk | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/10/time-to-fight-against-a-drmd-web---by-forking-it/index.htm | Oct 04 08:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.computerworlduk.com | Time to Fight Against a DRM'd Web - by Forking It - Open Enterprise [ http://ur1.ca/fu0ab ] | Oct 04 08:25 |
| iophk | I don't get why he promoted DRM. He once promoted an open Web | Oct 04 08:26 |
| iophk | and designed it to be open from the beginning. | Oct 04 08:26 |
| iophk | It sure would not have grown into anything significant if it had been DRM'd from the beginning or in any other way closed. | Oct 04 08:27 |
| iophk | It's too early to fork the WWW IMHO, not until the fight is over. | Oct 04 08:28 |
| iophk | " If we want to keep the open Web, it looks like we are going to have to fight for it - and, sadly, against its inventor." | Oct 04 08:28 |
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| iophk | Windows? It does mention a reboot, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/something_for_the_weekend_shopping_hell/ | Oct 04 09:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theregister.co.uk | Oh, shoppin HELL: Im in the supermarket of the DAMNED The Register [ http://ur1.ca/fu0mp ] | Oct 04 09:05 |
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| iophk | http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3471849/unique-active-directory-glitch-blamed-for-it-failure-at-scottish-hospitals/ | Oct 04 09:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworlduk.com | Active Directory glitch blamed for IT failure at Scottish hospitals - ComputerworldUK.com [ http://ur1.ca/fu0ne ] | Oct 04 09:07 |
| iophk | WTF was AD doing in the infrastructure? | Oct 04 09:15 |
| MinceR | making it unreliable, insecure and a lot more costly, obviously | Oct 04 09:17 |
| MinceR | as for the supermarket, i don't trust self-service checkout | Oct 04 09:17 |
| MinceR | they can't even make vending machines reliable | Oct 04 09:17 |
| iophk | Yeah, it's probably there to increase costs and decrease efficiency. However, Kerberos has fared even less well under M$ influence. | Oct 04 09:20 |
| iophk | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.cvs/121323 | Oct 04 09:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | comments.gmane.org | Automated mailout of CVS source tree changes [ http://ur1.ca/fu0sc ] | Oct 04 09:24 |
| iophk | https://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2013/10/02/whistleblowers-hearing-on-nsa-mass-surveillance-european-parliament-30-sept-2013-videomp3/ | Oct 04 09:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | christianengstrom.wordpress.com | Whistleblowers Hearing on NSA & Mass Surveillance, European Parliament 30 Sept 2013 [Video+MP3] | Christian Engstrm, Pirate MEP [ http://ur1.ca/fu0sv ] | Oct 04 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/04/microsoft-reportedly-looking-to-put-windows-phone-on-android-devices-starting-with-htc/ | Oct 04 09:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | Microsoft Reportedly Looking To Put Windows Phone On Android Devices, Starting With HTC | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/fu0yk ] | Oct 04 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | They have the patent threats as leverage. | Oct 04 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | "Put this OS that nobody wants on your phones or we'll sue you over Android." | Oct 04 09:43 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 04 09:43 |
| MinceR | time for device makers to gang up on m$ | Oct 04 09:44 |
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| Sosumi | Edgar Allan Poe ftw! | Oct 04 10:20 |
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| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 04 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | Given that more than half of the members of the House and a supermajority of the members of the Senate are millionaires or billionaires, does anyone think that having their pay withheld for a few weeks is going to put them in a bind? | Oct 04 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | They're not the 78%. (If you have no debt and ten dollars in your pocket, you're richer than most Americans.) | Oct 04 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 04 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | Now, maybe if they'd pass a "No government gets the obstructionists removed from office" bill, the crisis would be over in less than an hour. | Oct 04 11:17 |
| iophk | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-04/microsoft-said-to-ask-htc-to-put-windows-on-more-phones.html | Oct 04 11:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bloomberg.com | Microsoft Said to Ask HTC for Windows on Android Phones - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/fu1u0 ] | Oct 04 11:34 |
| iophk | http://www.zdnet.com/french-police-move-from-windows-to-ubuntu-linux-7000021479/ | Oct 04 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | French police move from Windows to Ubuntu Linux | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ftnw5 ] | Oct 04 12:19 |
| iophk | moving slowly, but moving | Oct 04 12:19 |
| iophk | http://fsfe.org/news/nl/nl-201310.en.html | Oct 04 12:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fsfe.org | FSFE Newsletter - October 2013 [ http://ur1.ca/fu26y ] | Oct 04 12:26 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption | Oct 04 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | NSA and GCHQ target Tor network that protects anonymity of web users | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fu1mz ] | Oct 04 12:43 |
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| DaemonFC | I just took an interview about how I feel about the minimum wage in this country and employers that pay close to it. | Oct 04 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | I said that I think that the minimum wage should be raised to $10.72 an hour and that employers should be required to give food service workers a few paid sick days per year and at least catastrophic care health and dental insurance. | Oct 04 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | and that I disagree with restaurants that require customers to tip | Oct 04 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | they should pay their employees and build the price of their wages into the menu | Oct 04 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I mentioned Dawn. | Oct 04 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | I told the interviewer that I knew that her employer didn't give her any sick days and so when she had the flu, they had her in the back washing dishes. | Oct 04 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | I told the interviewer that this is disgusting, but probably pretty common, and that I agree with the cities that are passing laws to give food service workers a few paid sick days. | Oct 04 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | I told him that I don't know how people even survive that. | Oct 04 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | That kind of employment. | Oct 04 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | The minimum wage for restaurant servers is only $2.12 per hour, and they rely on how generous their customers happen to be to make up the slack. | Oct 04 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | So some of them might do well, and others may not. They might work very hard and not make very much money. It's more or less just luck. | Oct 04 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | He asked me if I'd heard of the strikes and I told him yes. | Oct 04 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | He asked how I felt about them. I said that I support the workers in principle, but that their employers will just get away with hiring scabs and strike breakers, so it will probably just end up costing them their jobs. | Oct 04 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that people who do entry level/service jobs should be paid an exorbitant amount of money. $15 an hour is too much. | Oct 04 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | But they shouldn't be making $7 or $8 an hour either, because you can't live on that. | Oct 04 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | He asked whether that impacts my choice to eat at those restaurants. I told him that I don't go there as much as I'd really like to because of that. I go a few times a year when it's someone's birthday or something, and I tip well, but that I generally avoid them the rest of the time. | Oct 04 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's ridiculous when a restaurant charges you $25 for a steak dinner and $5 for a bottle of beer and the waitress is making minimum wage. | Oct 04 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | You might have 7-8 people sitting at that table, and a bill for over $200 when you leave the restaurant, and the wait staff are not even making $3 an hour if they don't get their tips. | Oct 04 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | I said that expecting the customer to pay your employees is vulgar. | Oct 04 13:17 |
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| DaemonFC | They asked me what difference I thought the Bush Tax Cuts made for the working poor. | Oct 04 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | I said "Probably none at all. The way those employers think, if their employees get a $500 a year tax cut, it's justification to pay them $500 less every year." | Oct 04 13:50 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134661 | Oct 04 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/is-slackware-the-oldest-remaining-linux-distribution-right-for-you/ #slackware #gnu #linux | Oct 04 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.makeuseof.com | Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? [ http://ur1.ca/ftyfy ] | Oct 04 14:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Once you've become "Slacker" (slackware addict), any other distro feels like wearing handcuffs - restrictive and clastropobic. The article isn't good - one has the suspicion that the author hasn't even bothered to install slackware - let alone use it. He certainly didn't bother finding out, by asking on linuxquestions.org, WHY Slackware has such a solid community." | Oct 04 14:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Once you've become "Slacker" (slackware addict), any other distro feels like wearing handcuffs - restrictive and claustrophobic. The article isn't good - one has the suspicion that the author hasn't even bothered to install slackware - let alone use it. He certainly didn't bother finding out, by asking on linuxquestions.org, WHY Slackware has such a solid community and hence why it is the way it is." | Oct 04 14:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: thanks for the links | Oct 04 14:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | added for later | Oct 04 14:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | curious stuff about HTC | Oct 04 14:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | But they also tried Blubboxes or whatever it was called to port Android apps to Windows | Oct 04 14:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | Those strategies never quite work | Oct 04 14:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | If they offer discounts on Android tax for installs of Windows, that's bribery on top of extortion | Oct 04 14:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | which adds to Elop's crime | Oct 04 14:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | Microsoft is still a very criminal company | Oct 04 14:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 04 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | My total distaste goes back to the 1980's when I saw in the US consulate an old man - an Iranian - being refused a visa to visit his family in the USA - coa he was Iranian (so was the Shah!). | Oct 04 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | Prior to that - this will make you laugh - in the 1970s - Cold War - a Finnish friend was refused entry - despite guaranteed employment etc. - because Finland was regarded as "suspect". | Oct 04 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | My experience of being pissed off has to do with filling out a form, then being asked the same questions that were on the form before departure and being asked the same questions on arrival - despite having a "lifetime" visa - yup - back in the 1980's. Each time the official acting like a nazi. | Oct 04 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | I spent a month's holiday within 100m of the Soviet border requiring both Finnish and Soviet special permission - and it was less buraucratic than the USA - and far more polite. | Oct 04 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | I now travel to te UK only by train and boat - it's beautiful compared with the Eurostar and I refuse to fly - so no one can tell me to take my shoes off :) | Oct 04 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 04 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131540 | Oct 04 14:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This is why myself and some friends of mine aren't even interested in visiting the US anymore http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/ilija-trojanow-nsa-criticism_n_4024595.html | Oct 04 14:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.huffingtonpost.com | Ilija Trojanow, German Writer, Banned From US For Criticizing NSA [ http://ur1.ca/ft9zz ] | Oct 04 14:20 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2001-Dodge-Caravan-ES-Columbia_City-IN/2077356013 | Oct 04 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cityautomall.com | 2001 Dodge Caravan for sale in Columbia City - 2B8GP54L01R293736 - City Automall [ http://ur1.ca/fu3a4 ] | Oct 04 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know if I'm interested in this or not. | Oct 04 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | Good: It seems like the body is in good shape. It's my favorite color. I do like minivans. Carfax actually has records that prove it was maintained. | Oct 04 15:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Bad: It's a 13 year old van with 130,000 miles on it. Carfax reports it was sideswiped, but it looks like it was repaired. | Oct 04 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | The thing about impact damage being repaired is that they can make the vehicle look right, but it might not ever be right again. | Oct 04 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | My car was in a front end collision and it didn't do any damage to the front of the car that was visible, but someone jury rigged some things. | Oct 04 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to put a new headlight mounting bracket on it. | Oct 04 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | They also neglected the coolant system, so that's pretty much all been replaced. | Oct 04 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to end up with a vehicle like this again. It's been a money pit. | Oct 04 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | This is why I hate car shopping. | Oct 04 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | You can take two identical vehicles and give them to two different people and one will be ready for the junkyard at 100,000 miles, and the other will be ready for another 150,000. | Oct 04 15:09 |
| MinceR | this is part of why i'd hate to shop for used cars | Oct 04 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Exactly. It can be almost impossible to tell what kind of car you have until AFTER you already own it. | Oct 04 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, you can also end up with a bad new car. | Oct 04 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | It's less likely, but it happens. | Oct 04 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | My mom said she bought a new Volkswagon Rabbit back in the late 1970s. | Oct 04 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | And it only had like 30,000 miles on it when the engine caught fire and destroyed it. | Oct 04 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | It stranded her in Illinois. | Oct 04 15:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 04 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it's funny NOW. | Oct 04 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | But I'm sure it wasn't exactly hilarious when you're standing right beside a new car that you're still making payments on while it's on fire. | Oct 04 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | I said oh jesus it's a fire! | Oct 04 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | I said lord jesus it's a fire! | Oct 04 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus Jesus Jesus it's a fire! | Oct 04 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ain't nobody got time for that! Ain't nobody got time for that! Ain't nobody got time, ain't nobody got time, ain't nobody got time for that! | Oct 04 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxwbhkDjZM | Oct 04 15:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Ain't Nobody Got Time for That!-Original - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fu3ce ] | Oct 04 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEC-8GFTP4 | Oct 04 15:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Ain't Nobody Got Time For That (Original + AutoTune) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fu3ch ] | Oct 04 15:15 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's almost impossible to find a good used minivan. | Oct 04 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | People run them into the ground and then sell them. | Oct 04 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | Almost all of them I see for sale have more than 200,000 miles on them. | Oct 04 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't pay much more than crush value for a vehicle over 200,000. | Oct 04 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4104381127.html | Oct 04 15:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1999 CHRYSLER CONCORDE LXi - Leather - Sunroof - DRIVES GREAT! $1990 [ http://ur1.ca/fu3dl ] | Oct 04 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | Rebuilt title. I wonder what happened. | Oct 04 15:21 |
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| DaemonFC | There's a lot of those floating around. Flood damage and stuff. | Oct 04 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | Messes up the car's electrical system but sometimes doesn't leave any visible damage. | Oct 04 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know exactly why, but a lot of these newer cars (2000 and later) have severe rust problems. | Oct 04 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | I suspect that they're designed to start rusting after several years to destroy the remaining value. | Oct 04 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The funniest thing I've ever witnessed in regards to vehicle damage was when I was leaving a bar with a friend and he backed into someone's Cadillac DeVille. | Oct 04 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | Looked pretty new. | Oct 04 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | Him: "Shit! Did anyone see that?" *drives off* | Oct 04 15:40 |
| MinceR | didn't fundies rage about the name of that car? :> | Oct 04 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | I was giggling about that for days. | Oct 04 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | My grandmother drives one. | Oct 04 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | She bought it by mortgaging her house. | Oct 04 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | Her house is in such disrepair that she owes more to the bank than what it's worth. | Oct 04 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | She took the mortgage out on it when we were in the middle of the housing bubble. | Oct 04 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | She was bragging about having a Cadillac one day and I told her "I don't think they have any parking spots in hell.". | Oct 04 15:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 04 15:44 |
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| Cirrus_Minor | This MPD server be runnin 24/7 feelfree to add it to yr media players, wurks on all devices mplayer http://turtil.net:9001 | Oct 04 16:34 |
| Sosumi | only roasted meat in hell | Oct 04 16:38 |
| Sosumi | and spartans having dinner | Oct 04 16:38 |
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| MinceR | http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/96/i-forgot-where-we-are-dining-tonight.jpg | Oct 04 16:40 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 04 16:44 |
| Sosumi | http://rt.com/usa/adobe-hacked-krebs-hold-742/ | Oct 04 16:45 |
| Sosumi | hope the crackers release the source code of adobe's trash player | Oct 04 16:45 |
| Sosumi | I really don't understand the whole hackerspace thing, we have one at my university, but it's idiotic | Oct 04 16:50 |
| Sosumi | playing with arduino, rasperberry Pis for trivial stuff | Oct 04 16:51 |
| Sosumi | instead of focusing on common things that actually have use | Oct 04 16:51 |
| Sosumi | no AI lab, no computer penetration and security, no signals intelligence | Oct 04 16:54 |
| JimmyCarter | signals intelligence? | Oct 04 16:57 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 04 16:58 |
| JimmyCarter | what would that hackspace activity consist of? | Oct 04 16:58 |
| Sosumi | my proposal was to create a android app to filter the celullar network | Oct 04 16:59 |
| JimmyCarter | are any not encrypted? | Oct 04 16:59 |
| Sosumi | so the user could, for now manually, select which signals he would want to connect | Oct 04 16:59 |
| Sosumi | yes and inform if they are encrypted, or not | Oct 04 17:00 |
| Sosumi | and also teach algos, to create a signal strenght to noise ratio for position inside the campus using the internal wifi network | Oct 04 17:01 |
| JimmyCarter | guess could also listen in on police scanners. not sure for what purpose | Oct 04 17:01 |
| JimmyCarter | just because 'signals intelligence' sounds cool heh | Oct 04 17:01 |
| Sosumi | yeah :) | Oct 04 17:01 |
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| Sosumi | later could have them create a "snooper" | Oct 04 17:02 |
| Sosumi | all for academic porpuses | Oct 04 17:02 |
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| Sosumi | could also have them build a stock market simulation | Oct 04 17:04 |
| Sosumi | and/or tap the chatter on the web to predict trends, rises, mood of the nation, etc | Oct 04 17:05 |
| Sosumi | the fun stuff of which they can learn something that'll be usable in real life | Oct 04 17:06 |
| Sosumi | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/04/1457225/data-mining-reveals-the-emotional-differences-in-emails-from-men-and-women?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Oct 04 17:17 |
| Sosumi | Data Mining Reveals the Emotional Differences In Emails From Men and Women | Oct 04 17:17 |
| Sosumi | Datamining! | Oct 04 17:17 |
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| JimmyCarter | well you can work on whatever you want at a hackspace | Oct 04 17:32 |
| JimmyCarter | maybe after you hangout there awhile youl meet others who want to help | Oct 04 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast keeps offering to help me save money. | Oct 04 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | Somehow their definition of saving money is doubling your bill. | Oct 04 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I need that kind of help. | Oct 04 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | "You save $10 a month on your internet when you bundle it with a TV package!" | Oct 04 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Yeah, but then I'm paying for a bunch of crap channels and all kinds of fees and equipment rental and tax." | Oct 04 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | I actually had AT&T call a few days ago. | Oct 04 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | I told the guy I hate money. | Oct 04 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | I said I've got a whole pile of it and if they don't take it all, I'm going to go out back and burn it. | Oct 04 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | I kept him going for a while before I got to that. | Oct 04 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually he caught on and hung up on me. | Oct 04 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.lwsd.org/school/emhs/SiteCollectionDocuments/Economy%20-%20Comcast%20Flier%20Session%205%20NL.pdf | Oct 04 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | But, if you're a parasite with a lot of kids on welfare, Comcast will give you internet for $10 a month with no modem rental fees. | Oct 04 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | They'll even sell you a computer below cost if you want one. | Oct 04 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I just need to have like five or six kids I can't afford and then I'll be cleaning up. My problem is that I'm one of those people who was stupid and responsible and decided against having lots of kids. | Oct 04 17:48 |
| MinceR | save money -- for us! :> | Oct 04 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I calculated what my Comcast bill would be while the rep was on the phone with me and I told him that my bill would go from $52 a month for internet to $126 for internet and a crappy TV package. | Oct 04 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | Asked him where the savings were. | Oct 04 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | "What I'd like is for you to stop offering to bundle my internet with a bunch of things that nobody under 50 cares about." | Oct 04 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 04 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | My mom keeps complaining that her TV bill is high. | Oct 04 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | It's because Dave sits there on the couch in his underwear watching people shout at each other on the "news". | Oct 04 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | and they suck another $70 a month out of you for that. | Oct 04 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus... | Oct 04 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe people actually pay for that. | Oct 04 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | Silly old me, I'd rather have an extra $800 a year in my pocket. | Oct 04 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | What could I possibly be thinking? | Oct 04 17:54 |
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| Sosumi | ho, no no no | Oct 04 18:04 |
| Sosumi | they coordenate the thing | Oct 04 18:04 |
| Sosumi | like, next week it's about playing with solidworks and 3d print the thing that was created | Oct 04 18:05 |
| Sosumi | on the week after it's about arduino and robots, hopefully they'll introduce the folks there to computer vision and pattern recognition | Oct 04 18:06 |
| Sosumi | they have the thing delimited | Oct 04 18:08 |
| Sosumi | instead of the ppl gathering, discussing what they want to do, make groups, learn what they need in a "familiar" environment and finish their project | Oct 04 18:13 |
| Sosumi | and ho well, dassault sistemes is one of the corporate patners anyways... | Oct 04 18:14 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 04 19:07 |
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| iophk | http://nypost.com/2013/10/04/undercover-cop-stood-by-as-bikers-beat-dad/ | Oct 05 03:56 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.71 | Oct 05 04:02 |
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| iophk | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/nvidia-cripples-linux-drivers-windows/14883 | Oct 05 04:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | Nvidia cripples Linux drivers because of Windows - Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/fu7qj ] | Oct 05 04:19 |
| iophk | Yet another reason closed, proprietary drivers have to go. | Oct 05 04:19 |
| iophk | pushing Matt Asay: http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2013/10/02/open-source-is-good-and-all-but-proprietary-is-still-winning/ | Oct 05 04:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Open Source Is Good And All, But Proprietary Is Still Winning - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/fu7r5 ] | Oct 05 04:21 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | meh | Oct 05 04:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: iny major news we missed? I am still far far behind, with thousands of unread headlines | Oct 05 04:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | *any | Oct 05 04:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I am still not sure how to proceed | Oct 05 04:42 |
| iophk | not much lately | Oct 05 04:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | One option is, scrape old stuff, catch up with what's latest | Oct 05 04:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | the other option is, deal with all Sept. news even a month late provided it's relevant | Oct 05 04:43 |
| iophk | an unarmed woman was gunned down in DC and the papers are spinning it like it was her fault. The actions leading up to the shooting are weird but she was out of the car when it happened. | Oct 05 04:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | This increases the liklihood of identifying important news, even if it's dealt with a month late | Oct 05 04:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Not been keeping up with NSA, CIA, drones, etc. | Oct 05 04:43 |
| iophk | Maybe you can work backwards through the queue starting with the latest. | Oct 05 04:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Not a priority right now. | Oct 05 04:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Yes, that's what I've been doing | Oct 05 04:43 |
| iophk | The items that age well will still be there when you get to them. | Oct 05 04:44 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Maybe I can catch up by xmas :-) | Oct 05 04:44 |
| iophk | There's probably no way to cover it all anyway. | Oct 05 04:44 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Just added some ad banners for the host of TR | Oct 05 04:44 |
| iophk | I don't see the banners on the main page. | Oct 05 04:45 |
| iophk | BTW the "latest stories" feed is still broken but you know that still.. | Oct 05 04:45 |
| iophk | GNU 30th got surprisingly little coverage. | Oct 05 04:46 |
| iophk | I think the 25h anniversary got more. | Oct 05 04:46 |
| iophk | IIRC | Oct 05 04:46 |
| iophk | There's been a fair amount of discussion of the Silk Road take down. | Oct 05 04:50 |
| iophk | Most of it is still speculation | Oct 05 04:50 |
| iophk | and all the possibilities have included the probability of "parallel construction" even if it is not named explicitly | Oct 05 04:51 |
| iophk | Not named (that I see) is the role of dangerous and insecure methods like IRC in breaking the case. | Oct 05 04:52 |
| iophk | I figure the ease with which it helps track people is one of the driving forces in popularizing IRC. | Oct 05 04:54 |
| iophk | Also its ephemeral nature means that any clever, insightful or informative discussion that might actually happen is lost. | Oct 05 04:59 |
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| iophk | On the web it sticks around a bit longer, usually at least until the site goes under with a new owner. | Oct 05 05:07 |
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| iophk | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/nsa_using_firefox_flaw_to_snoop_on_tor_users/ | Oct 05 05:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theregister.co.uk | NSA using Firefox flaw to snoop on Tor users The Register [ http://ur1.ca/fu8bc ] | Oct 05 05:47 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | LOL http://25.media.tumblr.com/d07ad1926cbf2939193c10fdbd31d4f6/tumblr_msgr6pnFnM1reysmlo1_250.gif | Oct 05 05:53 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 05 08:45 |
| gulag2013 | Silk Road got hit? | Oct 05 08:56 |
| gulag2013 | I wouldn't know anything about that, if it wasn't for Adam Curry talking about ordering drugs from there. | Oct 05 08:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3141095 | Oct 05 11:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA using Firefox flaw to snoop on Tor users http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/nsa_using_firefox_flaw_to_snoop_on_tor_users/ #tor #nsa #cracking #surveillance | Oct 05 11:02 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 05 11:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The Register really sucks these days. This article is misleading and incomplete. | Oct 05 11:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | First off, the problem with the Torbundle browser was Windows only. Wired Called out Windows in article about an FBI attack on TOR networks, what's wrong with The Register these days? As Techrights noted, using TOR on Windows is Epic Failure. | Oct 05 11:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Recently, a Windows botner doubled the number of Tor nodes. Oh yeah, they published an article about that but left out the Windows and Microsoft keywords, so they know better. Given that GCHQ's goal is to expand the number of compromised nodes, people we should suspect criminal government activity for it. | Oct 05 11:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 05 11:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/09/malware_culprit_fingered_in_mysterious_tor_traffic_spike/ | Oct 05 11:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theregister.co.uk | Malware culprit fingered in mysterious Tor traffic spike The Register [ http://ur1.ca/fuady ] | Oct 05 11:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://techrights.org/2013/08/07/windows-with-tor/ | Oct 05 11:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Using Windows With TOR is Like Wearing Makeup to Dodge CCTV | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fuadz ] | Oct 05 11:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/ | Oct 05 11:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fiz5d ] | Oct 05 11:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Firefox gets a bad name for being used on Windows. | Oct 05 11:04 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3141607 | Oct 05 11:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux was a replacement for GNU Hurd, not the other way around http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Kernel-Replacement-GNU-Hurd-0-5-Released-After-16-Years-387510.shtml | Oct 05 11:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel Replacement, GNU Hurd 0.5, Released After 16 Years [ http://ur1.ca/fuae6 ] | Oct 05 11:04 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "What advantages does Hurd provide over Linux?" | Oct 05 11:04 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | microkernel, gplv3-licensed | Oct 05 11:05 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: http://fossforce.com/2013/10/microsoft-five-years-road/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=microsoft-five-years-road | Oct 05 11:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Microsoft Five Years Down the Road - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/fuagu ] | Oct 05 11:14 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | lots of nonsense there | Oct 05 11:14 |
| Sosumi | in a perfect world, M$ five years down the road = filling for bankruptcy | Oct 05 12:07 |
| MinceR | in a perfect world, it would have never existed :> | Oct 05 12:27 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/386529120081182720 | Oct 05 13:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @jmcest: Rotten Walled Garden Fruit RT @schestowitz Nvidia cripples Linux drivers bc of Windows http://t.co/iymh71eCZZ #microsoft ruins everything | Oct 05 13:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.muktware.com | Nvidia cripples Linux drivers because of Windows - Muktware | Oct 05 13:06 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/PowerEnhanced/status/386530331198631937 | Oct 05 13:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @PowerEnhanced: @schestowitz: women are permitted to exclude men, but they scream a lot when men exclude women... I endorse both options. | Oct 05 13:07 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137537 | Oct 05 13:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: "All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry." | Oct 05 13:08 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Dr Roy, Dawkins has been retreating from the 'selfish gene' ever since he first published the idea. It is an unscientific idea that doesn't prove anything." | Oct 05 13:08 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The regret he has is that politicians misrepresented his work to do nasty things. The title was ill chosen. | Oct 05 13:09 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "The regret he has is that politicians misrepresented his work to do nasty things. The title was ill chosen." | Oct 05 13:10 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Cameron - try looking it up." | Oct 05 13:10 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3142184 | Oct 05 14:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OpenLogic overlooks the risk of EULA and proprietary lock-in, antifeatures, back doors, etc. to make FOSS look bad http://www.openlogic.com/blog/bid/318553/Choosing-a-Scanning-Solution-The-Cost-of-a-Mis-Hire | Oct 05 14:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.openlogic.com | Choosing a Scanning Solution The Cost of a "Mis-Hire" [ http://ur1.ca/fubkx ] | Oct 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "With licensed commercial code, this process is usually easier, because you only need to look for the binaries provided to you by your vendor. Easier = Impossible. It is more likely that commercial software has copied copyrighted code - the profit motive. And, of course it can then be hidden easier..." | Oct 05 14:23 |
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| iophk | http://bsdly.blogspot.ca/2013/10/the-hail-mary-cloud-and-lessons-learned.html | Oct 05 15:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | bsdly.blogspot.ca | That grumpy BSD guy: The Hail Mary Cloud And The Lessons Learned [ http://ur1.ca/fubjk ] | Oct 05 15:10 |
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| Sosumi | the problem is that M$ was a necessary evil just like the Symbolics vs Lisp Machines war was necessary | Oct 05 16:39 |
| Sosumi | and Unix being out of reach of the common folk | Oct 05 16:39 |
| Sosumi | for things like the GNU project and linux to come out | Oct 05 16:39 |
| Sosumi | if those events hadn't happen, well, we'd be much better now for sure | Oct 05 16:40 |
| Sosumi | but they happened | Oct 05 16:40 |
| MinceR | no, m$ was never necessary | Oct 05 16:40 |
| Sosumi | M$ just took it over from DEC | Oct 05 16:41 |
| MinceR | was DEC ever so fraudulent as m$? | Oct 05 16:41 |
| Sosumi | I wasn't alive back them to tell :) | Oct 05 16:41 |
| Sosumi | *then | Oct 05 16:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 05 16:41 |
| Sosumi | but yeah M$ is fraudulent just like apple | Oct 05 16:44 |
| Sosumi | two companies that I'd enjoy watching them crash to the ground and burn | Oct 05 16:44 |
| MinceR | so would i | Oct 05 16:45 |
| cubezzz | no, DEC was just slow | Oct 05 16:56 |
| cubezzz | trying to sell 70's era tech in the 80's | Oct 05 16:57 |
| cubezzz | but they gave use PDP's which is cool | Oct 05 16:57 |
| cubezzz | s/use/us/ | Oct 05 16:57 |
| cubezzz | some of the DEC stations were really slow, like 286 slow | Oct 05 16:58 |
| cubezzz | so the cheap x86 PCs took over | Oct 05 16:58 |
| Sosumi | yeah, but one of the key guys from DEC came to M$ | Oct 05 17:44 |
| Sosumi | and from that NT was born | Oct 05 17:44 |
| MinceR | Cutler? | Oct 05 17:44 |
| Sosumi | I guess | Oct 05 17:45 |
| MinceR | wasn't he given instructions that completely destroyed the point of the design? :> | Oct 05 17:45 |
| Sosumi | how so? | Oct 05 17:46 |
| MinceR | things like putting the window manager in the kernel "because it will be faster" (it wasn't) | Oct 05 17:46 |
| MinceR | breaking the separation between subsystems | Oct 05 17:46 |
| Sosumi | wait, NT has the window manager built into the kernel? | Oct 05 17:47 |
| MinceR | something like that | Oct 05 17:47 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 05 17:47 |
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| Sosumi | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Windows_2000_architecture.svg | Oct 05 17:55 |
| Sosumi | yeah it is there | Oct 05 17:55 |
| MinceR | and they have the gall to use the word "microkernel" in the diagram | Oct 05 17:57 |
| MinceR | maybe in the microsoft language, "micro" stands for "bloated beyond all repair" | Oct 05 17:57 |
| Sosumi | well, apple also calls XNU micro | Oct 05 17:57 |
| MinceR | two sides of the same coin | Oct 05 17:58 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Oct 05 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | They've been pushing a lot of things out of the kernel in recent Windows releases. | Oct 05 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | Some of it they had to do to make their DRM work better. | Oct 05 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 05 17:58 |
| MinceR | that's nice | Oct 05 17:58 |
| MinceR | maybe winblows will be Ready For The Desktop in 2030 | Oct 05 17:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 05 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | You can't reliably kill the graphics and sound drivers if they're in the kernel. | Oct 05 17:59 |
| MinceR | who knows maybe they'll rip the USB stack out of FreeBSD | Oct 05 17:59 |
| MinceR | s/ws/ws,/ | Oct 05 17:59 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 05 17:59 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/east_boston/2011/08/in_east_boston_the_last_voyage.html | Oct 05 18:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.boston.com | Your Town - Boston.com [ http://ur1.ca/fud0k ] | Oct 05 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | They spent $100,000 trying to restore the ship. Then in 2008, they found a homeless man living in it and made him leave, so the guy came back and sabotaged the ship. | Oct 05 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | Obama is now threatening people on Social Security. | Oct 05 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | He's saying that retirement checks won't go out next month. | Oct 05 18:20 |
| Sosumi | Obozo could just execute an executive order demmanding all gov agencies essential | Oct 05 18:21 |
| Sosumi | and bypass congress | Oct 05 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | He should first declare that everything is essential. | Oct 05 18:21 |
| MinceR | he doesn't have the guts for that | Oct 05 18:21 |
| Sosumi | or maybe he's just playing politricks | Oct 05 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Then he should declare that the debt ceiling is unconstitutional and ignore it. | Oct 05 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | The debt ceiling is unconstitutional and invalid. | Oct 05 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Congress is obligated to pay for everything it enacts, under the fourteenth amendment. | Oct 05 18:22 |
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| DaemonFC | If he did that, then the Republicans would be unable to threaten a government shutdown or a default ever again. | Oct 05 18:23 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Oct 05 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | They could go back to doing little or nothing and it wouldn't matter. | Oct 05 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | The only constitutionally valid way for Congress to refuse to pay for something is by voting to repeal it and then having the President sign the bill that repeals it. | Oct 05 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | Otherwise it should be funded indefinitely. | Oct 05 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | No president has ever challenged the constitutionality of the debt ceiling, We never even had one until 1917. | Oct 05 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | Their lies about the Social Security lock box are revealed when this happens. | Oct 05 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | They claim that there's close to three trillion dollars set aside for Social Security, but then they can't actually pay anybody unless Congress authorizes more debt. | Oct 05 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Those treasury bills that Social Security has are supposed to be payable upon demand. | Oct 05 18:28 |
| Sosumi | well, they were the guys that were all ready to "bomb, bomb, bomb" Syria and Iran | Oct 05 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | They're saying that without the ability to take on more debt, there's nothing to pay those T-bills with. | Oct 05 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | So they reveal the truth. The US government is a debt machine and without the ability to take on more debt every month, nothing can be paid. | Oct 05 18:29 |
| Sosumi | yep, just like pretty much every gov | Oct 05 18:29 |
| JimmyCarter | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/looting-the-pension-funds-20130926 | Oct 05 18:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.rollingstone.com | Looting the Pension Funds: How Wall Street Robs Public Workers | Politics News | Rolling Stone [ http://ur1.ca/fud3e ] | Oct 05 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | Sosumi, Yeah. That's just messed up. "Sorry folks, there's no money. Unless we want to start another war." | Oct 05 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | "Then there's money!" | Oct 05 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | They keep talking about deficit reduction and somehow at the same time they talk about taking on billions more in spending to bomb Syria. | Oct 05 18:31 |
| MinceR | if the debt keeps growing forever, then it's not being run properly, imo | Oct 05 18:31 |
| Sosumi | well, money for the big boys that is | Oct 05 18:31 |
| JimmyCarter | wont grow forever | Oct 05 18:31 |
| JimmyCarter | definite limits to status quo of borrowing propsperity from future | Oct 05 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it can. | Oct 05 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | As long as the money supply keeps growing and creditors tolerate that. | Oct 05 18:32 |
| Sosumi | it'll end up blowing in everyone's face | Oct 05 18:32 |
| JimmyCarter | usa currently 73% debt-to-gdp ratio says CBO | Oct 05 18:32 |
| Sosumi | portugal currently at 123% and rising :P | Oct 05 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's what the bankers want. | Oct 05 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | They want endless government red ink. | Oct 05 18:34 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Oct 05 18:34 |
| JimmyCarter | the federal income is about 10% of gdp | Oct 05 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | Every year, the public grows more indebted to bankers for programs that could easily be paid for by slight tax increases on the wealthy. | Oct 05 18:35 |
| JimmyCarter | so debt is currently at approx 7x federal income | Oct 05 18:35 |
| Sosumi | but you do know the wealthy put their money in trusts | Oct 05 18:35 |
| JimmyCarter | analogoys to someone with 100k/yr job being 700k in debt | Oct 05 18:35 |
| Sosumi | or create non profit foundations | Oct 05 18:35 |
| JimmyCarter | analogous | Oct 05 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | first comes the debt bomb | Oct 05 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | then comes the public pension looting | Oct 05 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | then comes the taxation bomb | Oct 05 18:36 |
| Sosumi | so, increasing tax on the wealthy = killing middle class | Oct 05 18:36 |
| Sosumi | also yes, pension funds raiding and bail ins | Oct 05 18:37 |
| JimmyCarter | yeah just like a credit card company, lenders are happy to collect interest | Oct 05 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it reminds me of a credit card company that says you have a $5,000 limit. | Oct 05 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | Then when you get close to that, they up it to $10,000, then $20,000. | Oct 05 18:37 |
| JimmyCarter | but lenders are anyone and everyone who buys us bonds | Oct 05 18:37 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Oct 05 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | The only time they stop increasing your limit is when they think that your ability to make the minimum payment (which doesn't get you out of debt) will be threatened. | Oct 05 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | JimmyCarter, Well, it does matter who the creditors are. | Oct 05 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously, you want your own citizens holding your public debt. | Oct 05 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | Then it becomes a transfer of funds instead of bleeding money out to foreign citizens and governments. | Oct 05 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | If your own citizens are earning the interest, then it's likely that they're going to reinvest that interest into the domestic economy at some point, in some way. | Oct 05 18:41 |
| JimmyCarter | yeah | Oct 05 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/10/03/remarks-president-government-shutdown | Oct 05 18:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.whitehouse.gov | Remarks by the President on the Government Shutdown | The White House [ http://ur1.ca/fud6m ] | Oct 05 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | That's why everyone should save back some cash. | Oct 05 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | At least enough to get them through a couple of months. | Oct 05 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | Social Security checks may not go out next month. | Oct 05 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | But they'd probably work something out to where people get a double check in December or something. | Oct 05 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | But a lot of good that does if you run out of food and can't pay the rent in November. | Oct 05 18:50 |
| JimmyCarter | Foreign governments and investors hold 48% of the nation's public debt. The next largest part (21%) is held by other governmental entities, like the Federal Reserve and state and local governments. Fifteen percent is held by mutual funds, private pension funds, savings bonds or individual Treasury notes. The rest (16%) is held by businesses, like banks, and insurance companies and a mish-mash of trusts, businesses and investors. | Oct 05 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | Social Security alone holds over three trillion dollars. | Oct 05 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | Guess who takes it up the tailpipe first when the government defaults. | Oct 05 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | Hint: Not the banksters. | Oct 05 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | There's another simple explanation for why the government just doesn't tax enough to run its programs. | Oct 05 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | The programs are popular, but the taxes aren't. | Oct 05 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | By running deficits, it can run popular programs while keeping taxes low (for now). | Oct 05 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | The entities that the government borrows from are happy to enable this because they keep getting their interest payments. | Oct 05 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | The program cuts and tax increases will take decades to pan out. | Oct 05 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | and nobody who is in office right now will be there when that happens. So they have no reason to care. | Oct 05 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | The only collateral a government has in obtaining loans is the promise to raise taxes later. | Oct 05 18:55 |
| MinceR | see, the debt ceiling is not the issue :> | Oct 05 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | It is for the moment. | Oct 05 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's like saying that you'll have the triple baconator now so you won't starve, and don't worry about that massive heart attack. | Oct 05 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | That's thirty years from now. | Oct 05 18:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 05 18:59 |
| MinceR | the issue is all that spending that caused the debt to rise that high | Oct 05 18:59 |
| JimmyCarter | a default will trigger credit rating downgrades and interest rate hikes that will crush the sputtering economy | Oct 05 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. It's an immediate concern. | Oct 05 18:59 |
| JimmyCarter | thats one of the purported ulterior motives for all the fed's open market operations: keeping interest rates low to keep interest payments down on the us debt | Oct 05 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | If they'd stop giving the military and the black budget spy programs so much money, there wouldn't be a deficit. | Oct 05 19:00 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 05 19:01 |
| JimmyCarter | but you gotta die somehow | Oct 05 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Governments don't typically "die" as such. | Oct 05 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | They can exist indefinitely. | Oct 05 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | I did like Jon Stewart's proposal. | Oct 05 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | Run up as much debt as we can and then fake our own deaths. | Oct 05 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | That actually is possible. | Oct 05 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | A debt crisis could cause a government to disband and you can end up with a new government that claims it won't be held responsible for the former government's debt. | Oct 05 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | In places where that happens frequently, they often have trouble getting anyone to give them loans in their own currency. | Oct 05 19:07 |
| JimmyCarter | i just hope twitter has a good ipo before the sky falls | Oct 05 19:08 |
| MinceR | why? | Oct 05 19:08 |
| JimmyCarter | personal financial interest ;) | Oct 05 19:09 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 05 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | This is kind of silly though. The Republicans are shutting down the government in protest of a law that will reduce deficits. | Oct 05 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | In the name of reducing deficits. | Oct 05 19:11 |
| JimmyCarter | also costs money to start/shutdown gov | Oct 05 19:11 |
| MinceR | in other words, a typical republican thing to do | Oct 05 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | Well, for one thing, Obamacare fixed Medicare Part D. | Oct 05 19:11 |
| JimmyCarter | also a law that already voted on, already had referendum election on, etc | Oct 05 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | 75% of its spending as enacted by Republicans was deficit spending. | Oct 05 19:12 |
| JimmyCarter | i believe obama when he says he cant allow precedent of minority hijacking | Oct 05 19:12 |
| JimmyCarter | unfortunately the other side in this chicken contest believes jesus is a magical cartoon | Oct 05 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | I think there's going to be a lot of enraged voters that take it out on the Republicans in next years elections. | Oct 05 19:12 |
| MinceR | i don't believe obama even when he asks a question. | Oct 05 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | They're making a lot of people very angry at them. | Oct 05 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | Including me. | Oct 05 19:13 |
| MinceR | he told a bit too many lies recently. | Oct 05 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | I could see them losing 18 House seats, or more., | Oct 05 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats will probably be running the House again starting January 2015. | Oct 05 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | Especially if Social Security payments are delayed because of them. | Oct 05 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | err, the Republicans I mean | Oct 05 19:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 05 19:14 |
| JimmyCarter | i hope youre right | Oct 05 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Old people don't like it when their retirement checks are threatened. | Oct 05 19:14 |
| Sosumi | just let the republican party be the engine of it's own destruction | Oct 05 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | They'll vote out whoever they think is responsible. | Oct 05 19:14 |
| JimmyCarter | boehnor said he wouldnt let debt ceiling expire. | Oct 05 19:14 |
| MinceR | if it's destroyed, will a non-republicrat party emerge as second choice? | Oct 05 19:15 |
| JimmyCarter | so he may do something at last minute that spells changes for gop status quo | Oct 05 19:15 |
| Sosumi | and democrats split between a wall st and populist faction | Oct 05 19:15 |
| JimmyCarter | such as simply allowing a vote! where minority republicans will side with dems to reopen | Oct 05 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, there's probably going to be a bill that gets passed by all the Democrats and a handful of Republicans. | Oct 05 19:15 |
| JimmyCarter | and then the tea party will call for boehnors head | Oct 05 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | The Tea Party will get thrown under the bus. | Oct 05 19:15 |
| JimmyCarter | they want someone who will historically default on debt | Oct 05 19:15 |
| Sosumi | ho the pee party.... | Oct 05 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | I have one of the worst "Representatives" in the entire country. | Oct 05 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | Marlin Stutzman | Oct 05 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't vote for him. | Oct 05 19:16 |
| JimmyCarter | hes not on my radar | Oct 05 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, with the way the state Republicans drew the districts, it's not like it mattered. | Oct 05 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | He got twice as many votes as the Democrat. | Oct 05 19:16 |
| JimmyCarter | boehnor, mcconnel, meadows, cruz, ryan, | Oct 05 19:17 |
| Sosumi | Merlin the Stuntman | Oct 05 19:17 |
| JimmyCarter | bachman | Oct 05 19:17 |
| JimmyCarter | difficult to compete w these for title of worst representative | Oct 05 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Paul Ryan and Michelle Bachmann are more vulnerable. | Oct 05 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Bachmann won her last election with a very slim margin. | Oct 05 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | She spent some time after that trying to keep a low profile. | Oct 05 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | But she's back out there saying dumb things again, so hopefully she gets noticed. | Oct 05 19:18 |
| JimmyCarter | well go knock on doors and convince your neighbors to change mind | Oct 05 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | My neighbors are not impressed with the Republicans right now. | Oct 05 19:18 |
| JimmyCarter | i suck at communicating w republicans | Oct 05 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | and they are in their 80s and 90s mostly. | Oct 05 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | Obamacare reduced their Medicare costs, and now they're afraid that the law will get repealed and their costs will go back up. | Oct 05 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, I think it's safe to say that the Medicare reforms were designed to do that. | Oct 05 19:19 |
| MinceR | so, are they like "we're not impressed with the republicans right now but we'll be damned if we let the democrats win!"? | Oct 05 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | whoa | Oct 05 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | lightning right over my house | Oct 05 19:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 05 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | This isn't good. | Oct 05 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | If the power doesn't go out, Comcast will. | Oct 05 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | They tend to go down for a day or two if the wind blows. | Oct 05 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | And of course, there are never any bill credits. | Oct 05 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | According to the weather channel, there's going to be a thunderstorm going all night and all day tomorrow. | Oct 05 19:21 |
| MinceR | :( | Oct 05 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Whenever this happens, the river rises and goes right through my back yard. | Oct 05 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | It's kind of scary. | Oct 05 19:21 |
| MinceR | it can't be good living right next to a river | Oct 05 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I mean like 20-25 feet from my house. | Oct 05 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's one reason why the rent is cheap here. | Oct 05 19:22 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 05 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | It has a history of rising and flooding out some of the apartments. | Oct 05 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'm actually pretty lucky. | Oct 05 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I live right on top of the hill. | Oct 05 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think my apartment has ever been flooded out. | Oct 05 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | The one right next door to me has. | Oct 05 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | It is pouring outside. | Oct 05 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | I can't even see across the street. | Oct 05 19:24 |
| MinceR | luckily, my part of the (sad excuse for a) city i live in is well above the highest flood we've ever had | Oct 05 19:24 |
| MinceR | (during the existence of the city, that is) | Oct 05 19:24 |
| MinceR | i can't trust the nazis or the commies to protect me from the flood (or anything else, for that matter) | Oct 05 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | The river is usually only a few feet deep. | Oct 05 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | You can easily see the bottom of it. | Oct 05 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | But when it rains for several days, it gets pretty deep and turbulent. | Oct 05 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | If this keeps up, Dave will probably call and ask me to come over and help him pump out the water from their basement. | Oct 05 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 05 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | Their basement flooded the last time it rained like this, and I figured out why. | Oct 05 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | The last owners of the house had this fucking stupid idea for how to landscape. | Oct 05 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | They put three layers of landscape bricks around the house, and sloped the enclosed area towards the house. | Oct 05 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | So I went outside and dug up all of the bricks. | Oct 05 19:27 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 05 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | It took me about a day to do that and remove all of the river rocks and lay down a new layer of dirt. | Oct 05 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | They called out for some estimates and they got quoted at almost a thousand dollars. | Oct 05 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | So I ended up doing it. | Oct 05 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | My credit is shot because of some medical bills. | Oct 05 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | I know what they're going through. | Oct 05 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | They've got all the same problems I do and more. | Oct 05 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | The IRS is after them too. | Oct 05 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | Luckily I don't have that problem. | Oct 05 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | The IRS can do things to you that nobody else can do. | Oct 05 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's like owing child support only worse. | Oct 05 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | They'll put liens on all your property. | Oct 05 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | You won't even be able to sell your stuff to pay them. | Oct 05 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | They have the "honor" of being in that "sweet spot". | Oct 05 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | Enough money to tax and not enough money to fight the IRS and win. | Oct 05 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | The IRS pretty much leaves rich people alone. | Oct 05 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | They have enough to hire accountants and tax lawyers and they can jam the IRS up for years and end up getting settlements for less than half of what they owe. | Oct 05 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | So they mostly go after the middle class. | Oct 05 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | There's this "tax cut logic" that's really perverse that the Republicans bring out every time they call for "tax reform". | Oct 05 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It basically goes something like this.... | Oct 05 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | "We have to lower the tax rate on the rich so they won't bother trying to get out of it." | Oct 05 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | "The cuts will pay for themselves!" | Oct 05 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | They never bring up the other argument. "Make them pay their taxes." | Oct 05 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | It does work, kind of. The Bush Tax Cuts did increase the amount of taxes collected from the rich. The more straightforward approach that would get them even more money is to keep the higher rates and reduce their appeal options. | Oct 05 19:36 |
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| oiaohm | Boy MS is getting desprate with the HTC deal being talked about. | Oct 05 20:33 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.infowars.com/civil-disobedience-americans-breach-barricades-around-lincoln-memorial/ | Oct 05 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infowars.com | Civil Disobedience: Americans Breach Barricades Around Lincoln Memorial Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! [ http://ur1.ca/fudvf ] | Oct 05 20:59 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-05/multiple-expansion-dream-over | Oct 05 21:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Is The Multiple-Expansion "Dream" Over? | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/fue0t ] | Oct 05 21:24 |
| Sosumi | I wish my printer never runned out of paper too | Oct 05 21:25 |
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| DaemonFC | "One woman was having so many problems [trying to log on to the healthcare exchange] that finally the NSA guy that was spying on her broke in and suggested control alt delete." -Bill Maher | Oct 05 22:40 |
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| DaemonFC | If the health insurance exchange crashes one more time they're going to have to stop calling it Obamacare and start calling it Microsoft Windows. | Oct 05 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 05 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | I tried to create an account and got a page full of gibberish. | Oct 05 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | It was just like that time I tried using Internet Explorer on a standards-compliant web page. | Oct 05 22:46 |
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| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 05 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | The panel of death? | Oct 05 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | Isn't that what they replaced the Start Menu with in Windows 8? | Oct 05 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Fairly much. | Oct 05 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like programs that take up my entire screen. | Oct 05 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Those new "metro" apps are worse than Windows 3.x's tiling window management. | Oct 05 23:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: you saw the one of MS offering HTC free license for their Phone OS. | Oct 05 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Really Windows 3.11 tiling windows management was multi application effective. | Oct 05 23:20 |
| JimmyCarter | http://www.infowars.com/peter-schiff-warns-of-martial-law/ | Oct 05 23:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infowars.com | Peter Schiff Warns of Martial Law Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! [ http://ur1.ca/fuemq ] | Oct 05 23:25 |
| gulag2013 | haven't seen Peter Schiff in a long time | Oct 05 23:25 |
| JimmyCarter | i just emailed him | Oct 05 23:25 |
| JimmyCarter | Peter, | Oct 05 23:25 |
| JimmyCarter | What's your take on over-fishing and the tragedy of commons? In your infowars interview you advocate capitalism but don't mention any such possible drawbacks. To me this sounded one-sided or over-simplified. | Oct 05 23:25 |
| JimmyCarter | Do you blame the government for the problems with the previous health insurance system? I worry that your disparaging of "liberalism" and "socialism" sends the wrong partisan message. | Oct 05 23:25 |
| JimmyCarter | Thanks for your remarks about the "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation the Fed is in with tapering. That finally crystalized it for me. | Oct 05 23:25 |
| gulag2013 | That video is finally player. Obama supporters not know what party Obama is in? Get out of here. | Oct 05 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | One of the problems with the cost of healthcare in America is that we have two systems competing with each other. | Oct 05 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | We have a private healthcare system and two systems of insurance. Public systems that limit how many and what kind of people can get on them, and private insurance that is largely a burden on employers and on people who don't qualify for employer plans or public plans and have to pay the whole cost out of their own pocket. | Oct 05 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the problems come from the private sector components. | Oct 05 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | For profit health insurance companies and hospitals that want to pay their upper management big bucks and huge bonuses. | Oct 05 23:47 |
| gulag2013 | I'm not that informed on the system. I know that it's the only industry that can just send you a bill without you knowing the cost before hand. | Oct 05 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | It's driving costs up because the companies and hospitals want a huge profit, and it's driving jobs out of the US because companies can set up in Canada where health insurance is not a burden on them. | Oct 05 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | That's why a lot of the vehicles we buy in the United States are actually assembled in Canada. | Oct 05 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | The auto makers have a choice between buying these expensive health insurance plans here or going to Canada where they pay a small tax that helps fund the government healthcare that all Canadians are eligible for. | Oct 05 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | So it's a small cost that they can plan for in Canada vs. a huge cost that is going up at 5-6 times the rate of overall inflation in the United States. | Oct 05 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | It probably costs them something like $8-9 here for every $1 they'd spend in Canada. | Oct 05 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | So they do business in Canada and export the vehicles to the US for sale. | Oct 05 23:50 |
| gulag2013 | Wow | Oct 05 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | and the high costs and inefficiencies that were caused by the private sector spilled over and ruined the public sector health plans like Medicaid and Medicare. | Oct 05 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | Doctors don't want to see Medicaid patients because they can gouge Medicare and private insurance and Medicaid only reimburses them at a low rate in comparison to their other patients | Oct 05 23:52 |
| gulag2013 | It sounds like a mess. They will have to come force me to pay for a system I won't use. | Oct 05 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | and Medicare's problem is that it has gone on for many years where it just pays every damned bill that gets sent to it, so doctors and hospitals and drug companies conspire to send the highest bills they can send. | Oct 05 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | It pays thousands of dollars for motorized scooters if they are "medically necessary". | Oct 05 23:53 |
| gulag2013 | YA, that sounds right. Just see who will pay it. | Oct 05 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | So every old person that doesn't feel like walking anymore gets a "free" scooter. | Oct 05 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | and then soon after that, they *can't* walk anymore | Oct 05 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | because they stopped doing it and lose their ability | Oct 05 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | Then when they die, the scooter doesn't have to be turned in, so the family sells them and makes money off the sale. | Oct 05 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | A used scooter can go for $500-800 depending on the model. | Oct 05 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | If Medicare got it back after the patient died, they could recondition it and give it to someone else. | Oct 05 23:55 |
| gulag2013 | Yes indeed, Sounds very wasteful. | Oct 05 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | So they're buying a new scooter at full price each time someone's doctor orders one because they have a patient that griped about walking. | Oct 05 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | The patient wouldn't want the scooter if they had to pay for even 20% of the purchase price. | Oct 05 23:57 |
| gulag2013 | I always wondered if a hospital gives me a bandaid, can I just come back with a box and call it even? | Oct 05 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | The way they see it, it's just one more freebie that they're entitled to, so they might as well take it. | Oct 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | I got billed $11,000 the last time I was in the hospital. | Oct 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | A few hours in the ER. | Oct 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | I wasn't even admitted into the hospital. | Oct 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | They call it uncompensated care or "charity" care, and then they sue the patient. | Oct 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | They get their money back when they garnish your wages or take your house and sell it. | Oct 06 00:02 |
| gulag2013 | That is really scary. I would just try to refuse care. It's so important we learn to take better care of ourselves. Pay now or pay later | Oct 06 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare wouldn't be in trouble if they let anyone of any age enroll in it. | Oct 06 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | They'd be just like any other insurance company with a balanced risk pool. | Oct 06 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | The healthy people would make the system solvent. | Oct 06 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | For profit insurance is the reason Medicare and Medicaid exist. | Oct 06 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | They're there to take all the old and sick people with very high medical costs, to get them off the balance sheet of the insurance companies. | Oct 06 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | The insurance companies then get to insure mostly people that aren't going to cost them much money and will pay a huge premium. | Oct 06 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | They offload all the undesirable customers onto the public. | Oct 06 00:06 |
| gulag2013 | I know and it's disqusting that human health is a for profit entity. | Oct 06 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Australia PBS setup shows a lot of flaws in medical health for profit ideas. | Oct 06 00:07 |
| gulag2013 | It is the way it is and billions of dollars on medication that doesn't heal any disease | Oct 06 00:07 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: Evergreen of patents of medications turn up a lot as well. | Oct 06 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough in Australia we have a few drugs produced in the USA for the Australian population by third party producors that cannot be sold to USA cits. | Oct 06 00:08 |
| oiaohm | Why to use the PBS in Australia drug maker has to agree after particular time to allow third parties to produce the same drug. | Oct 06 00:08 |
| gulag2013 | Ha, ha. I think I follow you. | Oct 06 00:09 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: competition is good | Oct 06 00:09 |
| oiaohm | when it comes to medial drug production. | Oct 06 00:09 |
| oiaohm | USA patent system is prevent drug makers competting for low cost production. | Oct 06 00:09 |
| gulag2013 | Well under a lot of circumstances herbal medicine is more effective than man made drugs that hurt vital organs | Oct 06 00:11 |
| gulag2013 | That is the way it is though, long shelf life, means no self life | Oct 06 00:12 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: unless you have the problem here where herbal medicine does not have decent quality controls. | Oct 06 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically herbal based medical medicine really need the same quality controls. | Oct 06 00:13 |
| gulag2013 | Good points, but what that was tried first. It's not an option in most. | Oct 06 00:13 |
| gulag2013 | Nutrition, isn't discussed | Oct 06 00:14 |
| gulag2013 | They won'd dare recommend that stop eating meat and dairy. There is no bad cholesterol in plants. | Oct 06 00:15 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: depends on the person. | Oct 06 00:15 |
| oiaohm | due to my dna faults I have to eat meat. | Oct 06 00:15 |
| gulag2013 | You can still choose what you eat,, | Oct 06 00:16 |
| gulag2013 | It doesn't have to be cows eating gmo grains. It can be grass fed etc.. | Oct 06 00:16 |
| oiaohm | I am latcose intollerent. | Oct 06 00:16 |
| gulag2013 | That's not a bad thing, most of the dairy isn't good for you. | Oct 06 00:17 |
| oiaohm | And I wish that people had looked at my diet earlier then I would not have missed like 3 years of my early schooling due to illness. | Oct 06 00:17 |
| gulag2013 | Oh sorry you suffered that. | Oct 06 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Latcose intollernet is nastly. Subpress imunine system. | Oct 06 00:17 |
| oiaohm | No other symtoms. | Oct 06 00:17 |
| gulag2013 | So they forced milk on you | Oct 06 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Basically I would catch any cold going and not be able to rid off it. | Oct 06 00:18 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: stupid think about being allergic at times. You like exactly what you are allergic to. | Oct 06 00:19 |
| gulag2013 | Yes I agree, I have reactions to sugar and caffeine. It takes all my willpower not to consume those things. | Oct 06 00:19 |
| oiaohm | No they were not forcing milk on me. Yes it takes all my will power not to cosume the stuff. | Oct 06 00:20 |
| gulag2013 | Well luckily there are more dairy alternatives coming out all the time. | Oct 06 00:20 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: there is a bacteria you can add to milk to break down the lactose. | Oct 06 00:21 |
| gulag2013 | Almond Milk and Coconut milks are really good for you. | Oct 06 00:21 |
| oiaohm | before you drink it. | Oct 06 00:21 |
| oiaohm | basically get milk put bacteria in leave it 2 days in fridge then its safe to drink. | Oct 06 00:21 |
| oiaohm | and particular cheeses don't contain lactose. | Oct 06 00:22 |
| gulag2013 | There is still the puss in dairy man. It's just not normal to be drinking another animals breast milk. We are the only animal doing that. | Oct 06 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Same kind of reason. Ie the yeast type consumed it. | Oct 06 00:22 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: You forgot cats. | Oct 06 00:24 |
| gulag2013 | I don't drink cat milk either, ha ha. I know what you meant | Oct 06 00:25 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: cats drink other amimals milk. | Oct 06 00:25 |
| gulag2013 | You do notice after they are past being kittens they don't do that | Oct 06 00:25 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: even big cats. | Oct 06 00:25 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: even adult cats will. | Oct 06 00:26 |
| gulag2013 | I have never seen a grown cat nursing | Oct 06 00:26 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: not nursing. | Oct 06 00:26 |
| gulag2013 | I will take you word on it. | Oct 06 00:26 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: when they cosume pray big cats willk drink the breast milk out. | Oct 06 00:27 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: its all about extracting as much from a kill possible. | Oct 06 00:27 |
| gulag2013 | Will they eat the whole animal raw, and have the stomach designed for that. | Oct 06 00:27 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: tigers and some big cats love full cream milk as rewards. | Oct 06 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie cattle milk. | Oct 06 00:28 |
| oiaohm | What is close to there normal pray. | Oct 06 00:28 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: the difference is volume. | Oct 06 00:28 |
| gulag2013 | A cows normal predator? | Oct 06 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Cats as adults take milk from other creatures as treaks. | Oct 06 00:29 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: big cats. | Oct 06 00:29 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: afica where most of the cattle breeds start the normal creature to kill them is big cats. | Oct 06 00:29 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: so yes part right abotu drinking another animals breast milk in volume is abnormal. But there are other animals that drink other creatures milk in small volumes. | Oct 06 00:31 |
| gulag2013 | Thank you for reminding me, good point I have seen my cats drink milk. | Oct 06 00:32 |
| gulag2013 | Here int the states they have pushed dairy as being vital for our health. That simply isnt' the case. You can get all you need from plants. | Oct 06 00:33 |
| oiaohm | And some of the milk problem is human stupidity. A1 and A2 milk. A1 cattle produce more milk due to a dna alteration. But also is less human compadible. A2 milk cattle produce less milk but is more human compadible. | Oct 06 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Majority of the cattle milk on shelves is A1 milk. | Oct 06 00:33 |
| gulag2013 | I didn't know that. I know they boil it so it really has no nutrition left. | Oct 06 00:34 |
| gulag2013 | They come after Raw milk sellers | Oct 06 00:35 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: wrong on the no nutrition left. | Oct 06 00:36 |
| gulag2013 | What could be left, after heating it at such high temps | Oct 06 00:36 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm just that was odd. | Oct 06 00:59 |
| gulag2013 | You get kicked off the internets ? | Oct 06 01:00 |
| JimmyCarter | GUIs are always doom, noone has avoided it | Oct 06 01:01 |
| JimmyCarter | oops wrong chan | Oct 06 01:01 |
| gulag2013 | What are you saying Mr Carter? | Oct 06 01:01 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: no it was power distrubance of some form. | Oct 06 01:01 |
| gulag2013 | I got you, UPS's are great for that | Oct 06 01:02 |
| JimmyCarter | i was comiserating with someone in #android-dev | Oct 06 01:03 |
| gulag2013 | Oh cool, do you code apps? | Oct 06 01:03 |
| JimmyCarter | Brown outs. Build another power plant. | Oct 06 01:03 |
| JimmyCarter | yup | Oct 06 01:03 |
| JimmyCarter | if you have nexus7 or better you can try my game | Oct 06 01:03 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: I do have a ups. I suspect something overheated. | Oct 06 01:03 |
| gulag2013 | Nice, Android market place seems like the wild west | Oct 06 01:03 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: machine only had been up for 6 months. | Oct 06 01:04 |
| JimmyCarter | yup, its awesome | Oct 06 01:04 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: running around 80/90 percent load. | Oct 06 01:04 |
| JimmyCarter | pretty soon the feds will ruin it | Oct 06 01:04 |
| gulag2013 | oiaohm, that's great I switched to linux and have been up 4 days straight. | Oct 06 01:04 |
| gulag2013 | I wish I could try you game, my nexus 7 needs a new usb connector | Oct 06 01:05 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: with pastrusised milk I have been on the recieving end on non pastraised milk. | Oct 06 01:05 |
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| oiaohm | gulag2013: the bad side there are nice little illness you can get from non pastrusised milk. | Oct 06 01:05 |
| gulag2013 | Yes, I wasn't trying to convince you against dairy, it's a choice I made and my tummy thanks me for it. | Oct 06 01:06 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: funny enough the food value is barely altered by the pastruised and non pastruised. Please note canning of food is the same process. | Oct 06 01:07 |
| gulag2013 | They do some crazy stuff to the milk and cows. Big Got Milk campaign is not an accident. | Oct 06 01:08 |
| gulag2013 | i have had non homogenized milk. I liked that much better. | Oct 06 01:09 |
| oiaohm | non homogenized can be pastruised as well. | Oct 06 01:10 |
| oiaohm | The ammount of mixing and altering of the ratios in milk they do is insane. | Oct 06 01:10 |
| gulag2013 | Now I drink Soy which is really not good I hear either, | Oct 06 01:11 |
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| gulag2013 | They strip the baby cows from the mothers at birth, that first milk is called colostrum I think, it's bottled and sold. The baby boy who knows what happens. | Oct 06 01:13 |
| oiaohm | There are very few soy milks I can stand to drink. | Oct 06 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Most soy milks are too grainy for my mouth. | Oct 06 01:19 |
| gulag2013 | There are hemp, rice, almond, soy, coconut, Have you ever tried coconut ice cream? It's pretty good. | Oct 06 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | almond milk is way better than soy | Oct 06 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | just remember to get the unflavored/unsweetened stuff | Oct 06 01:22 |
| gulag2013 | Yes, I'm trying to watch my sugar, what is your reason for un | Oct 06 01:22 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: soy soft seve icescream avoid like plague. | Oct 06 01:23 |
| oiaohm | coconut is nice. | Oct 06 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like them dumping in the extra sugar and calories | Oct 06 01:23 |
| gulag2013 | Oh thanks for the tip. I have never tried soy ice cream | Oct 06 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't like the vanilla flavor | Oct 06 01:23 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: its the softserve form. | Oct 06 01:23 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: its in fact colder than normal icecream. | Oct 06 01:24 |
| gulag2013 | Yes, the vanilla is to strong | Oct 06 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | The unflavored stuff is pretty much exactly like skim milk. I use it in my cereal. | Oct 06 01:24 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: so you know that icescream head ache it gets you with massive nasty. | Oct 06 01:24 |
| gulag2013 | I'm not sure oiaohm, but I have suffered some serious dairy ice cream stomach aches. Because I don't have a governor I just keep eating | Oct 06 01:26 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: Neither do I normally. | Oct 06 01:26 |
| gulag2013 | I like the plain almond milk | Oct 06 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/25/ways-on-buying-in-markets.aspx | Oct 06 01:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | articles.mercola.com | Supermarkets Influence Your Food Shopping Choices [ http://ur1.ca/fufb3 ] | Oct 06 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | "Displaying a dollar sign on the display decreases the likelihood of you making a purchase, because it's instinctively equated with "cost" or "spending." As Lindstrom says, "Removing the sign helps the consumer sidestep the harsh reality of outstanding bills and longer-term financial concerns."" | Oct 06 01:26 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: soy soft serve is about the only icescream head ache in side one cone. | Oct 06 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | I never really thought about that, but now that I do... | Oct 06 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | Kroger and Walmart don't put a dollar sign on the price tag. | Oct 06 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | They put stickers that say "1.76" or ".99" or "10 for 10". | Oct 06 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | Not "$1.76", "$0.99", or "10 for $10". | Oct 06 01:28 |
| gulag2013 | Huh? I have been blind to that $ either way. Now i'm curious | Oct 06 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | "Larger shopping carts equate to increased spending." | Oct 06 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, when our Walmart became a super Walmart, they increased the size of the carts by about 50% | Oct 06 01:28 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: its called cost saving. | Oct 06 01:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: yes the ink saved on not printing the dollar sign adds up. | Oct 06 01:29 |
| gulag2013 | I know the supermarket here tries to hide the good coffee that is cheaper on the very bottom shelve. The whole eye level scam | Oct 06 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2013, Yes. They like to put the little bags of coffee that cost like 50 or 75 cents per ounce at eye level. | Oct 06 01:30 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha the ink savings as they waste thousands on flyeers | Oct 06 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | They put the bulk coffee that costs less on the bottom two shelves. | Oct 06 01:31 |
| gulag2013 | This was Panera bread company. You have that chain right | Oct 06 01:31 |
| gulag2013 | Anyway they have their brand in the supermarket now for $6 for 12 ounces and it's really good, but they try to hide it. So if it doesn't sell then what. | Oct 06 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | The "gourmet" coffee has gotten ridiculous. | Oct 06 01:33 |
| gulag2013 | What ever happened to honest pound of anything. | Oct 06 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | They have Starbucks for $8.99 for a one pound bag. | Oct 06 01:33 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: look at there flyers they are doing the same stunt. | Oct 06 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | You can get two pounds of store brand for $5.99 | Oct 06 01:33 |
| gulag2013 | Sure they sell 1lbs | Oct 06 01:33 |
| gulag2013 | I'm still a bit snobby when it comes to good coffee | Oct 06 01:34 |
| gulag2013 | Stunt with what | Oct 06 01:34 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: are you the level that roasts your own? | Oct 06 01:34 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: no dollar signs. | Oct 06 01:34 |
| gulag2013 | No, that is a lot of work and you can screw that up if you aren't careful. i will grind beans sometimes. | Oct 06 01:35 |
| gulag2013 | I watched a guy at a place roast, it is really good if you can get some the first week after a roast | Oct 06 01:36 |
| gulag2013 | Anyway, yes they spend a lot of money studying us and monitoring our purchasing habits. Sickening | Oct 06 01:37 |
| gulag2013 | I can't say I blame them, but I place people before money. | Oct 06 01:38 |
| gulag2013 | Mcdonalds and the famous free toy training little kids to be life long costumers | Oct 06 01:40 |
| gulag2013 | Coke and Pepsi feeding millions of gallons of corn sugar, and diabetes | Oct 06 01:41 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: you miss the caffine. | Oct 06 01:41 |
| oiaohm | caffine is not a 100 percent harmless drug. | Oct 06 01:41 |
| gulag2013 | I should be staying off it. I'm slowly drinking more green tea | Oct 06 01:41 |
| oiaohm | caffine is most dangous when combind with suger. | Oct 06 01:42 |
| gulag2013 | I bet, | Oct 06 01:42 |
| gulag2013 | Sugar is some addictive stuff on it's own. I tried switching to stevia , yuck I can't drink that stuff. | Oct 06 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Its like the drinks like redbull and mostor and so on they have caused deaths that have been documented by only minor over consumion. | Oct 06 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Max ammout of redbull you should have a day is 1 can. | Oct 06 01:43 |
| oiaohm | guess how many people don't obey that. | Oct 06 01:43 |
| gulag2013 | I know right, that stuff is dangerous. I have had those monster drinks before. | Oct 06 01:43 |
| oiaohm | yet people drink 2 l of coke. | Oct 06 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Same ammout of active. | Oct 06 01:44 |
| oiaohm | This is why coke is working on suger free versions so much. | Oct 06 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Ie no suger no dead consumers. | Oct 06 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully. | Oct 06 01:44 |
| gulag2013 | the sugar free stuff is even worse. Why is corn syrup to expensive as a sugar sub now? | Oct 06 01:45 |
| gulag2013 | Aspartame | Oct 06 01:45 |
| oiaohm | stevia is a art to handle correctly. | Oct 06 01:47 |
| gulag2013 | I had a real coke made with sugar cane a few months back . I was very uneasy for over an hour. | Oct 06 01:47 |
| oiaohm | suger cane suger is less adctivive than corn syrup contain froctoos | Oct 06 01:47 |
| oiaohm | corn syrup is not a good replacement for suger. | Oct 06 01:48 |
| gulag2013 | Yes, what they don't tell you is the corn syrup is around .20 cents a pound and the government subsidizes corn. | Oct 06 01:49 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: I have grown stevia plants. | Oct 06 01:49 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: the art with stevia usage is hard because stevia alone has a horid after taste. | Oct 06 01:49 |
| gulag2013 | Oh cool, I wonder if it's good like that, I have had the man made white concentrated powdered stuff. I don't like it | Oct 06 01:50 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: touch of honey remove after taste. | Oct 06 01:50 |
| gulag2013 | I bet, good idea | Oct 06 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Ie use stevia correctly it increases the suger taste. | Oct 06 01:50 |
| oiaohm | But you still need to put one of the real sugers in close to raw form. | Oct 06 01:51 |
| gulag2013 | i have some other thing called monk sugar, it's okay but tastes sort of like stevia | Oct 06 01:51 |
| gulag2013 | Agave is sort of scam | Oct 06 01:52 |
| gulag2013 | I'm going Vegan so I'm supposed to not eat Honey, but that seems a bit extreme. | Oct 06 01:53 |
| oiaohm | http://national.cleanplates.com/health-nutrition/the-new-sugar-monk-fruit/ | Oct 06 01:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | national.cleanplates.com | The new "sugar" is...monk fruit! Learn the different types.Healthy Recipes and Sustainable Food [ http://ur1.ca/fufeo ] | Oct 06 01:53 |
| oiaohm | monk fruit is a lot clearner source of natural sweetener. gulag2013 | Oct 06 01:54 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: yes simlar compounds to stevia. No nasty after taste. | Oct 06 01:54 |
| gulag2013 | It's good, not perfect but better | Oct 06 01:55 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: but same thing like stevia a very small does of honey or brown suger is enough to fully fool taste buds. | Oct 06 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Ie brown suger with monk fruit works where it does not with stevia. | Oct 06 01:56 |
| gulag2013 | True, i'm an addict though, i'm trying to just cut that out, but it's super hard. | Oct 06 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically 90 to 95 percent of the suger load can be replaced. | Oct 06 01:56 |
| oiaohm | 5 to 10 percent has to remain or your taste buds will pick the difference. | Oct 06 01:57 |
| gulag2013 | I believe that, I was off of sugar for a week and my taste buds appreciated bananas. | Oct 06 01:57 |
| oiaohm | You don't get where you were going. | Oct 06 01:58 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose bananas are high Fructose. | Oct 06 01:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Fructose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 06 01:59 |
| gulag2013 | Yes, but i'm the camp that the fiber and minerals help the digestion and it's not the same as stripped out fructose. | Oct 06 02:00 |
| gulag2013 | My body is fine on fruit sugars, I could eat a bag of oranges and not crash. | Oct 06 02:01 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: funny enough fructose is more adictive than general suger ie sucrose sugercane. | Oct 06 02:01 |
| oiaohm | oranges are not that high in fructose. | Oct 06 02:01 |
| gulag2013 | I see, makes sense I love bananas. | Oct 06 02:01 |
| oiaohm | fructose in high doese causes crashes like sucrose. | Oct 06 02:01 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: basically you are lining up to swap one addiction for another. | Oct 06 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Moderation. | Oct 06 02:02 |
| gulag2013 | ha ha, yes but it's real food | Oct 06 02:02 |
| oiaohm | I guess you also love corn. | Oct 06 02:03 |
| oiaohm | basically you cut suger and your body gets sneaky. | Oct 06 02:04 |
| oiaohm | And makes you crave the fructose items instead. | Oct 06 02:04 |
| gulag2013 | No, I barely eat corn I think it's all been contaminated by Monsanto. | Oct 06 02:05 |
| oiaohm | http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/nutrition/a/fructosedangers.htm | Oct 06 02:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lowcarbdiets.about.com | Fructose - Sweet But Dangerous - The Dangers of Fructose [ http://ur1.ca/fufh0 ] | Oct 06 02:05 |
| gulag2013 | What do they call that negative calories, I don't think it has much nutrition and you body doesn't even digest it. | Oct 06 02:05 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: fructose puts presure on liver. | Oct 06 02:05 |
| oiaohm | Yes you avoid one stack of nasty side effect and can walk straight into another. | Oct 06 02:06 |
| gulag2013 | I have read that. | Oct 06 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Moderation usage of fructose and sucrose is fine. | Oct 06 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Same with other sugers. | Oct 06 02:06 |
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| oiaohm | In fact bannas also contain sucrose gulag2013 | Oct 06 02:08 |
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| oiaohm | gulag2013: so yep suger in nice hidden for. 1 or 2 bannas a day fine pig out on them you are asking for it. | Oct 06 02:08 |
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| gulag2013 | I have had more than two and talk about getting high and full of energy | Oct 06 02:10 |
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| oiaohm | gulag2013: just because it natural does not mean it cannot harm you. | Oct 06 02:13 |
| gulag2013 | Well tell an Ape that he eats to many bananas. | Oct 06 02:13 |
| gulag2013 | I do appreciate your help, I'm pleasantly surprised you are that informed on the subject. | Oct 06 02:14 |
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| DaemonFC | king ME!" | Oct 06 02:16 |
| gulag2013 | drum roll, okay slightly funny | Oct 06 02:17 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: they have different bio to us. We are more fish/meat eaters than the Apes. Heck the Apes can make vitiman c where we cannot. | Oct 06 02:17 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: that is some of the big things. | Oct 06 02:17 |
| oiaohm | Particular items the human body cannot make means human body burns less fuel than our Ape relations. | Oct 06 02:18 |
| gulag2013 | i reserve that is were I argue that we may be able to eat meat, but it ferments in our system and causes all kinds of health issues. | Oct 06 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Its the fact we can eat meat why being vegan is so hard. | Oct 06 02:20 |
| oiaohm | meat in the form fish or read or white. Basically contains chemicals human body skips out on producing. | Oct 06 02:21 |
| oiaohm | Where are normal ape would be able to produce those chemicals. | Oct 06 02:21 |
| gulag2013 | I don't find it hard, i'm mean I'm not against it for survival. Part me thinks that is why we can, during winter months with no food. We would have been dead | Oct 06 02:21 |
| oiaohm | So a vegan has to be very careful to eat plants that provide those chemicals. | Oct 06 02:22 |
| oiaohm | Something buddist monks worked out how to do for most people. | Oct 06 02:22 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: basically want to live vegan take a buddist cooking classes. | Oct 06 02:23 |
| gulag2013 | That would be cool, I'm interested in buddist teachings myself. | Oct 06 02:23 |
| oiaohm | My case is a little different I have a new proten multation. So I have to eat meat until I do find a plant that can provide that one. | Oct 06 02:23 |
| gulag2013 | Protein/ | Oct 06 02:24 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: basically I would love to come a buddist monk but I cannot live in the eat vegan diet. | Oct 06 02:24 |
| gulag2013 | I have no interest in becoming a monk, just to be more aligned with nature. | Oct 06 02:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically buddist monks have thousands of years of knolledge about living vegan. | Oct 06 02:25 |
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| gulag2013 | They are known to be vegans, yep. | Oct 06 02:26 |
| oiaohm | very good at it. | Oct 06 02:26 |
| gulag2013 | I read some are allowed to eat some meat. It depends | Oct 06 02:26 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: buddist rules are not set in solid stone. | Oct 06 02:27 |
| oiaohm | If they are served meat not to offend host they will eat it. | Oct 06 02:27 |
| oiaohm | But they are not mean to intetionally seek out to kill it. | Oct 06 02:27 |
| oiaohm | or have it killed to suite there needs. | Oct 06 02:28 |
| oiaohm | basically buddist monks are sane they are not going to stave to death if allready killed meat is the only thing on offer. | Oct 06 02:28 |
| gulag2013 | That is where my mind is at. I don't have the stomach to kill animals for my food. So I don't pay others to do it for me. | Oct 06 02:28 |
| oiaohm | while I am eating meat I don't have the stomach either. | Oct 06 02:29 |
| oiaohm | If I go off meat I become a very different person. | Oct 06 02:29 |
| oiaohm | basically nature taking over to get what my body required. | Oct 06 02:30 |
| gulag2013 | That is today, maybe tomorrow I will eat meat again, I don't like absolutes. Today I didnt' eat meat. | Oct 06 02:30 |
| oiaohm | so increase agreesion. | Oct 06 02:30 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: so you are very much a buddist are core. | Oct 06 02:30 |
| gulag2013 | I don't know. I haven't researched it much | Oct 06 02:31 |
| gulag2013 | I like the idea. | Oct 06 02:31 |
| gulag2013 | Being your own power is very important to me. Not worshiping a false god | Oct 06 02:32 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: buddist have to major sects. | Oct 06 02:32 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: one see budda who was a real person as a real living teacher who died. | Oct 06 02:32 |
| oiaohm | That sect does not worsh budda at all. | Oct 06 02:33 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: of coruse there is another sect to says he assended. | Oct 06 02:33 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: yes how to start a long buddist cat fight put both groups in the same room. | Oct 06 02:33 |
| oiaohm | Normally ends with the normal no right to push your beliefs on others and everyone is free to have their own believes. | Oct 06 02:34 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: basically the right sect of buddist you would get alone with extreamly well. Ok might not ever become a buddist but they would be no problem to your because their believes would be simplar. | Oct 06 02:35 |
| gulag2013 | No, we shouldn't be doing that. I have to be careful of that. I just see people trying to reach false happiness and it's sad to watch. | Oct 06 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | I found some pictures of my mom and my aunt in Paris from back in 2009. | Oct 06 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | (the aunt that died in August) | Oct 06 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to pull them off these CDs and archive them. | Oct 06 02:44 |
| gulag2013 | Onto what media? | Oct 06 02:45 |
| gulag2013 | Is there something that would last a lifetime? I know cd's are not great. | Oct 06 02:46 |
| gulag2013 | Oh bluetooth devices still get me cranky, I would figure they would just work at this point. | Oct 06 02:49 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: look up mdisc | Oct 06 02:50 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: http://www.mdisc.com/what-is-mdisc/ combind that with dvdisaster you have very long term achive media. | Oct 06 02:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mdisc.com | What is M-Disc? The M-DISC | Oct 06 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I'll email them to my mom. | Oct 06 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | As far as I know, Google doesn't lose files. | Oct 06 02:52 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: they have in the past. | Oct 06 02:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: google is not 100 percent bullet proff | Oct 06 02:53 |
| gulag2013 | M-Disc looks interesting, but they need to be sold local | Oct 06 02:55 |
| gulag2013 | I love hate Google. I use google drive for some stuff, but it's against my nature to allow a cloud to hold my stuff. | Oct 06 02:56 |
| oiaohm | problem is there is not much options. | Oct 06 02:57 |
| prurigro | google drive is amazing for collaboration | Oct 06 02:58 |
| gulag2013 | prurigro, I agree and it's one reason I still keep my gmail | Oct 06 02:58 |
| gulag2013 | Those M discs I see a problem. We won't have optical drives in 1000 years. | Oct 06 02:59 |
| prurigro | you don't need a mail for it | Oct 06 02:59 |
| gulag2013 | I retract that maybe no opticals in ten years | Oct 06 02:59 |
| prurigro | I keep mine for certain categories of things I don't mind on the potentially public record (depending who google shares with), but you can definitel just sign up for drive/docs with another emal | Oct 06 02:59 |
| gulag2013 | Yes, I opted way out of google * | Oct 06 03:00 |
| gulag2013 | google + sorry about that | Oct 06 03:00 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: there will be a good question what will we have in 10 years. | Oct 06 03:03 |
| oiaohm | M disc storage will live to what ever the new storage will be. | Oct 06 03:03 |
| oiaohm | Current harddrives and flash drives don't have the life span. | Oct 06 03:04 |
| gulag2013 | I hope we still have removable media, apple is starting to solder the flash storage on the motherboards. | Oct 06 03:04 |
| oiaohm | Printing hardcopies take too much space. | Oct 06 03:04 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: really it would be warped if in the next 10 years we have cameras on devices high enough res to scan dvd discs. | Oct 06 03:06 |
| gulag2013 | Startling, Did that idea just come to you. That | Oct 06 03:07 |
| gulag2013 | That | Oct 06 03:07 |
| gulag2013 | That would be wild. | Oct 06 03:08 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: I have wondered that idea for a while. | Oct 06 03:09 |
| gulag2013 | No doubt, you would just have a spinning spindle of some kind underneath a dome with the camera lens on top | Oct 06 03:09 |
| oiaohm | Realy no. | Oct 06 03:09 |
| oiaohm | I have done grids of 2d bar codes. | Oct 06 03:10 |
| oiaohm | So as long as the camera can run over and join the different framements up. | Oct 06 03:10 |
| oiaohm | So disc does not need to spin. | Oct 06 03:10 |
| oiaohm | The most compact cd play that never went into production cut the cd in two and used a scaning head that moved. | Oct 06 03:11 |
| gulag2013 | i'm not that smart about this, but wow that would be great make an iso from your phone camera straight to your phone. | Oct 06 03:11 |
| oiaohm | We are talking insanely high resolution. | Oct 06 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Basical microscope in camera. | Oct 06 03:12 |
| gulag2013 | You have yourself a patent, | Oct 06 03:12 |
| gulag2013 | Don't let the idea get lost. | Oct 06 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Currently I archive over 1.5 megs per side of sheet of paper | Oct 06 03:13 |
| oiaohm | of a4 | Oct 06 03:13 |
| oiaohm | That is scanable in on a mobile phone. | Oct 06 03:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes current day tech. | Oct 06 03:13 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: ie passwords in file that are a little hard to copy quickly. | Oct 06 03:14 |
| gulag2013 | Neat, using what that would save me some agravation for scrap records. | Oct 06 03:14 |
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| gulag2013 | I'm trying to stay paperless, I scan most of my stuff on a cheap cannon flatbed. Your phones sounds convenient | Oct 06 03:16 |
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| oiaohm | gulag2013: my long term goal is to be able to get books printed using the system I do. | Oct 06 03:20 |
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| gulag2013 | That would be great. I know I value less stuff. | Oct 06 03:23 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: I just think it would be funny to have the complete works of shakespear or other famous writers in a very thin book. | Oct 06 03:30 |
| gulag2013 | That would be nice, I have some software that will read the text for me. | Oct 06 03:31 |
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| oiaohm | exactly the software on phones already exists to read the books. | Oct 06 03:32 |
| oiaohm | A source of physical world books for phones is missing. | Oct 06 03:32 |
| gulag2013 | Well there is kindle and others on phones | Oct 06 03:32 |
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| oiaohm | gulag2013: when I say physical I mean physical. | Oct 06 03:33 |
| gulag2013 | Oh sorry, maybe I don | Oct 06 03:34 |
| oiaohm | Scanning a normal paper book in takes ages. | Oct 06 03:34 |
| oiaohm | So I started working on systems with the goal of being able to place like 1 or 2 pages in a book containing the complete book for easy scanning. | Oct 06 03:35 |
| gulag2013 | Okay, two pages at once? | Oct 06 03:35 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: one at a time scanning is designed into what I have done. | Oct 06 03:36 |
| oiaohm | so 1 page half the book the next page the other half. | Oct 06 03:36 |
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| oiaohm | I had to allow for phone camera limits gulag2013 | Oct 06 03:36 |
| oiaohm | ie they don't do double side scaning or across fold very well. | Oct 06 03:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes the fun of camera focus. | Oct 06 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Freestar_Wagon-4dr_SEL-Columbia_City-IN/2065800953 | Oct 06 03:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cityautomall.com | 2004 Ford Freestar Wagon for sale in Columbia City - 2FMZA52244BB20397 - City Automall [ http://ur1.ca/fp8zy ] | Oct 06 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | I still have my eye on that one. | Oct 06 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | Told the guy that if he can knock a few hundred off of it, then I might buy it. | Oct 06 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | It's been on their lot since August. | Oct 06 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | No auction is going to give them $4,000 for it. | Oct 06 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'm kind of hoping he gets sick of looking at it and offers it to me at $3,500. | Oct 06 03:39 |
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| DaemonFC | The guy called me back and offered that 2004 Crown Victoria to me for $2,500. | Oct 06 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure I really want to get in on that though. | Oct 06 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | Right off the bat, I'd have an ABS sensor to replace, an exhaust leak to fix, a transmission flush, and a blend motor issue for the heat/air conditioning system that would probably require them to take the dash apart. :P | Oct 06 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | So that's some serious money. | Oct 06 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | Then it somehow got a chunk taken out of the front grill. | Oct 06 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | So I'd need to find a replacement grill. | Oct 06 03:46 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/google-now-taking-down-eight-pirate-links-every-single-second-131005/ | Oct 06 04:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Google Now Taking Down Eight Pirate Links Every Single Second | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fug5m ] | Oct 06 04:18 |
| iophk | "If Nokia had kept MeeGo, Jolla wouldn't exist" | Oct 06 04:22 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/finland-and-nokia-an-affair-to-remember/2/ | Oct 06 04:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Finland and Nokia: An affair to remember | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fug64 ] | Oct 06 04:22 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134661 | Oct 06 05:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/is-slackware-the-oldest-remaining-linux-distribution-right-for-you/ #slackware #gnu #linux | Oct 06 05:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.makeuseof.com | Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? [ http://ur1.ca/ftyfy ] | Oct 06 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "the author gets rightly put in his place for such a superficial take on Slackware" | Oct 06 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2825073 | Oct 06 05:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OK, I guess I got #Diaspora installed and running on the server side, need SSL certificate to take it live | Oct 06 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Is this up and running yet?" | Oct 06 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | No, I put that aside foir now Plenty of news to catch up with first, it's of higher priority. | Oct 06 05:26 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3144074 | Oct 06 05:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | ## Hate the "Sign in to Chrome" spyware feature of Chrome? [ http://ur1.ca/fugr0 ] | Oct 06 05:52 |
| gulag2013 | I'm going to try this nice post | Oct 06 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2013-September/014480.html | Oct 06 06:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lists.freedesktop.org | [Nouveau] offer to help, DCB [ http://ur1.ca/folf8 ] | Oct 06 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia says they will be releasing some open documentation of their cards. | Oct 06 06:07 |
| JimmyCarter | you can trust google unless theyre subpoenaed or national security lettered, or whatever the hip feds bully with these days | Oct 06 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2013-September/014497.html | Oct 06 06:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lists.freedesktop.org | [Nouveau] offer to help, DCB | Oct 06 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | "While I'm personally one of the guys who wouldn't like to see a binary | Oct 06 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | blob in nouveau, no matter the terms, I've read the firmware blobs | Oct 06 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | decompilation and I'm quite concerned about possible security implications." | Oct 06 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 06 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia doesn't care about security. They only care about performance. Their driver also cheats. It tries to detect what you're running and apply hacks to speed up the frame rate. | Oct 06 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2013-September/014584.html | Oct 06 06:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lists.freedesktop.org | [Nouveau] offer to help, DCB [ http://ur1.ca/fugub ] | Oct 06 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | "I need to retract my suggestion of Nouveau using NVIDIA's | Oct 06 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | binary-only microcode, at least until we get to a point where NVIDIA | Oct 06 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | has earned some trust from Nouveau in our microcode implementations." | Oct 06 06:12 |
| JimmyCarter | do they care about security performance ? ^^ | Oct 06 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | You don't earn trust by releasing binary-only firmware. | Oct 06 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | The only purpose of binary-only firmware is to hide things. | Oct 06 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | JimmyCarter, I've lost count of the number of times that Nvidia's driver has caused critical security issues. They also don't bother to patch them until someone releases a program that actually demonstrates how to exploit their driver. | Oct 06 06:13 |
| JimmyCarter | pretty soon someone will hack them with their exploits for their own software like adobe | Oct 06 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | Proprietary firmware in an otherwise open driver is better than an entirely proprietary driver. | Oct 06 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | That's the way AMD decided to go with their open source driver. | Oct 06 06:14 |
| gulag2013 | I'm naive, but why play with Nvidia at all ? | Oct 06 06:14 |
| JimmyCarter | some people need tflops | Oct 06 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | Better hardware than AMD, but the open driver is not very useful. | Oct 06 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | So if you use Nvidia, you're going to be stuck with the proprietary driver. | Oct 06 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | The Nouveau driver works with my graphics card, but it is painfully slow. | Oct 06 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | On really old Nvidia hardware, it sometimes works OK compared with the proprietary driver. | Oct 06 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think the biggest practical concern right now with Nvidia's proprietary driver is that they haven't commented on how well they plan to support Wayland or Mir. | Oct 06 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/ubuntus-controversial-mir-window-system-wont-ship-with-13-10-desktop/ | Oct 06 06:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Ubuntus controversial Mir window system wont ship with 13.10 desktop | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fugvy ] | Oct 06 06:21 |
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| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is conducting their negotiations with Nvidia and AMD regarding Mir support behind closed doors. | Oct 06 06:22 |
| gulag2013 | Hmm, All I know about Mir is that it is replacing X11 windows something. How will Mir improve the performance? | Oct 06 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it will. | Oct 06 06:26 |
| gulag2013 | I don't understand Ubuntu's intentions with most of what they are doing. | Oct 06 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | The justification for replacing X in both Wayland and Mir's case is mostly that X does a lot of undesirable things that can't easily be fixed. | Oct 06 06:27 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: X11 is crap. | Oct 06 06:35 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: there is even talk of X12 once Wayland and Mir is in place. | Oct 06 06:35 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: List of undesirable is X11 secuirty does not work. Lets take screen savers they are repsonsable for handing non protected userpassword. | Oct 06 06:36 |
| gulag2013 | I don't know, they can do what ever they wish. There was a time I was excited but they flip flop in so many directions. I | Oct 06 06:36 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: history of X11 is horble. | Oct 06 06:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: what happens if the screensaver crashes on other systems? | Oct 06 06:37 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: under Linux the desktop unlocks. | Oct 06 06:38 |
| MinceR | _other systems_ | Oct 06 06:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Windows password dialog is handled by the login manager. | Oct 06 06:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: on the screensaver. | Oct 06 06:38 |
| MinceR | so, what if that crashes? | Oct 06 06:38 |
| oiaohm | If login manager crashes on windows you user session is terminated. | Oct 06 06:39 |
| MinceR | (as for protecting passwords, there's this >> http://www.openwall.com/tcb/ _ | Oct 06 06:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.openwall.com | tcb - the alternative to /etc/shadow | Oct 06 06:39 |
| MinceR | s/_/)/ | Oct 06 06:39 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 06 06:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically failure should not be access. | Oct 06 06:39 |
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| oiaohm | Some bugs Windows and Linux has. | Oct 06 06:42 |
| oiaohm | Like applications able to snoop on other applications windows without requiring permission. | Oct 06 06:42 |
| oiaohm | High secuirty OS's don't tollerate this. | Oct 06 06:43 |
| gulag2013 | Hmm sounds like Explorer and that knowing what you are typing in other windows. | Oct 06 06:43 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: one of the key differences of Mir and Wayland is no snooping on other applications without permission from the program controlling the screen output. | Oct 06 06:46 |
| oiaohm | Yep programs by default can only screenshot their own windows. | Oct 06 06:46 |
| gulag2013 | So that is bug in both Linux and Windows? | Oct 06 06:47 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Oct 06 06:47 |
| oiaohm | Fedora is dropping userspace X11 drivers. Or I am a super big security flaw. | Oct 06 06:47 |
| oiaohm | X11 userspace drivers require access to /dev/mem that is basically raw access to the complete system memory. | Oct 06 06:48 |
| gulag2013 | In what version, I want to test Fedora really soon | Oct 06 06:48 |
| oiaohm | userspace drivers are very old things gulag2013 | Oct 06 06:48 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: like you will not be attempting to use like s3 video cards right. | Oct 06 06:48 |
| gulag2013 | I really don't think so.. What is S3? | Oct 06 06:49 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: old type of video card | Oct 06 06:49 |
| oiaohm | verry old type of video car. | Oct 06 06:49 |
| oiaohm | card | Oct 06 06:49 |
| gulag2013 | Oh, This laptop is three years old, I highly doubt it. | Oct 06 06:50 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: no way in hell its in there. | Oct 06 06:51 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: we are talking almost 10 years ago was the last time they were made. | Oct 06 06:51 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, well I still plan on testing Fedora. I was thinking userspaces was Workspaces, I turned that of I don't use it. | Oct 06 06:53 |
| oiaohm | X11 first was design to be fully userspace. | Oct 06 06:54 |
| oiaohm | Nice big security holes. | Oct 06 06:54 |
| oiaohm | Then it evolved to a little kernel assisted but poorly done. | Oct 06 06:55 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo_jZYDzek8 This is a good watch for even just a few minor generations back in X11 drivers issues. | Oct 06 06:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | XDC2013: David Herrmann - DRM Security - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fuh2e ] | Oct 06 06:56 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: basically dri2 the last generation of X11 drivers for Linux has to be deprecated because it security flawed. | Oct 06 06:57 |
| gulag2013 | Okay, great I can do videos. This topic is a little hard for me to follow. A little sad for me, I was thinking Linux was more secure. | Oct 06 06:59 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: to be true Linux is more secure than Windows but that is serousally not hard. | Oct 06 07:00 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: but compared to high rated secuirty OS's Linux is nothing. | Oct 06 07:01 |
| oiaohm | For desktop. | Oct 06 07:01 |
| gulag2013 | Yes, lol sounds like windows is a very low bar | Oct 06 07:01 |
| MinceR | it is | Oct 06 07:01 |
| MinceR | and what about macos? | Oct 06 07:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: macos for desktop is techically a head of Linux. | Oct 06 07:02 |
| gulag2013 | I read they just sneak in patches, so who knows the truth | Oct 06 07:02 |
| oiaohm | Please note the for desktop bit. | Oct 06 07:02 |
| oiaohm | Linux on server is a different game. Its the graphical side of Linux that has been insanely weak. | Oct 06 07:02 |
| oiaohm | the work on wayland really was a sign that people were serousally looking at the Linux desktop. | Oct 06 07:03 |
| oiaohm | And worked out that X11 could not be fixed. | Oct 06 07:03 |
| gulag2013 | Windows Metrofied Server 2012. Why Why Why | Oct 06 07:03 |
| MinceR | why does it exist or why do people use it? :> | Oct 06 07:04 |
| gulag2013 | Why would you add tiles to it | Oct 06 07:04 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: in my experience, linux has been ahead of osx graphically in quite a number of ways for quite some time-- and the ogl limitations of open source drivers were more of an issue in osx last I checked | Oct 06 07:04 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: secuirty wise OS X has been ahead. | Oct 06 07:05 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: graphical security? | Oct 06 07:05 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: mostly because OS X did the sane thing and not use X11 | Oct 06 07:05 |
| prurigro | how so? | Oct 06 07:05 |
| MinceR | what they did is not sane | Oct 06 07:06 |
| oiaohm | X11 basically has no graphical secruity. | Oct 06 07:06 |
| MinceR | the gui is supposed to be a selling point yet it can't maximize windows properly and it can't handle virtual desktops properly | Oct 06 07:06 |
| MinceR | the global menu bar is a usability failure | Oct 06 07:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: from a userablity point of view I would agree OS X is not sane. | Oct 06 07:06 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: in regards to what? display servers from other local display servers? | Oct 06 07:06 |
| MinceR | i thought so :) | Oct 06 07:06 |
| gulag2013 | The maximizing windows on OSX bugs me, | Oct 06 07:07 |
| prurigro | I got a mac a while back to see what the deal was and there were issues I was running into that I researched and found were essentially "problems with the osx ogl implementation" and that osx was not for games | Oct 06 07:07 |
| prurigro | but that's not really the topic | Oct 06 07:07 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Like X11 does not include a proper screensaver handling. | Oct 06 07:07 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: does not include proper memory protections. | Oct 06 07:08 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, is that why I have to use caffeine to keep my videos playing | Oct 06 07:08 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: in fact for X11 to operate with other X11 applications you cannot setup secreen secuiryt. | Oct 06 07:08 |
| prurigro | should the display server be responsible for screensavers? memory protection I'll give you on shared servers and stuff, but you were talking about the desktop | Oct 06 07:08 |
| prurigro | well its host based right | Oct 06 07:08 |
| prurigro | so all or nothing at the localhost level | Oct 06 07:09 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: to be correct login manager should be in charge of screensaver in a lot of ways. | Oct 06 07:09 |
| MinceR | it doesn't have to be the login manager | Oct 06 07:09 |
| oiaohm | systemd-logind for wayland can run screensaver as independant instance. | Oct 06 07:09 |
| oiaohm | So screensaver dies and you have access to nothing. | Oct 06 07:10 |
| prurigro | gdm does a decent job these days I've found | Oct 06 07:10 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: exactly why is a login manager graphical. | Oct 06 07:10 |
| prurigro | word, but you still don't think this is secure enough? | Oct 06 07:10 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: you want the least possible running as root. | Oct 06 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 06 07:11 |
| oiaohm | remember gdm is infact running as root. | Oct 06 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | watching Malcolm in the Middle | Oct 06 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | "They have advanced textbooks, and good teachers, and all sorts of things they don't want to waste on normal kids." | Oct 06 07:11 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: yeah, though if noone can remotely connect to gdm it shouldn't be an issue | Oct 06 07:11 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: no you are forgeting shared computers. | Oct 06 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Like in libraries. | Oct 06 07:12 |
| prurigro | well I wouldn't exactly define that as a desktop | Oct 06 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | I hated public school. I had to go there for a couple of years and felt like I was rotting. | Oct 06 07:12 |
| prurigro | those are more along the lines of terminals, in my experience | Oct 06 07:12 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: they can still be full desktop computers. | Oct 06 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically the complete design of X11 is just flawed all over the place. | Oct 06 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | When I went back to private school, I ended up finishing three years worth of material in a year and finishing high school at the age of 15. | Oct 06 07:13 |
| oiaohm | Like GDM is a hack. | Oct 06 07:13 |
| prurigro | sure, but you wouldn't have people staying logged in while others use them | Oct 06 07:13 |
| prurigro | in library | Oct 06 07:13 |
| prurigro | ies* | Oct 06 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | I've always been one to "rip the bandaid off". | Oct 06 07:13 |
| prurigro | if they were desktops | Oct 06 07:13 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: x11 was desing as a single user interface. | Oct 06 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | When something is unpleasant, I push myself to just get it over with. | Oct 06 07:13 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: instead of redesign it properly. | Oct 06 07:13 |
| oiaohm | items like GDM were invented. | Oct 06 07:13 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: remember running as root you can login to any user. | Oct 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: X11 came along when the idea of multiple people using the same computer (that wasn't a terminal) wasn't really feasible | Oct 06 07:14 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: no the first version of X11 was single user. | Oct 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: you don't think gdm drops permissions as soon as its launched? | Oct 06 07:14 |
| oiaohm | the multi user bit was added latter. | Oct 06 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | X11 is only slightly older than I am. | Oct 06 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | It hasn't aged well. | Oct 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | yeah, that's what I was saying-- it's not even really multiuser now-- just separate servers | Oct 06 07:15 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: it cannot because there was no background server to change from user to user. | Oct 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | what do you mean? | Oct 06 07:16 |
| MinceR | if it's the first version, it's X1, not X11 :> | Oct 06 07:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no X11 was design as a extendable protocol. | Oct 06 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | "The first truly modular disaster." | Oct 06 07:17 |
| prurigro | are we on X11R7 yet? :) | Oct 06 07:17 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: display managers or like KDM/GDM. start the X11 server that is the user session. | Oct 06 07:17 |
| MinceR | i seem to remember that x.org is now X11R7 or something. | Oct 06 07:18 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: and that X11 server still runs as root. | Oct 06 07:18 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: wayland is infact design never to be running as root. | Oct 06 07:18 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: all root operations are pushed back to the logind or equal. | Oct 06 07:18 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: what do you suppose the gdm user and groups are on my computer for then? | Oct 06 07:18 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: that allows attempted steping down. | Oct 06 07:19 |
| prurigro | I'm pretty sure that's what the xserver would be run under | Oct 06 07:19 |
| prurigro | like, it doesn't need root to run X | Oct 06 07:19 |
| oiaohm | Only recent X11 with DRI2 got the means to run without root a little. | Oct 06 07:20 |
| prurigro | weird, my system shows gdm running "systemd" | Oct 06 07:21 |
| oiaohm | systemd places other wrappers around gdm. | Oct 06 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1X8DTHZCC4Y2L | Oct 06 07:21 |
| prurigro | hrm? what do you mean the means to run without root? | Oct 06 07:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: US Military Will Use Drones to Spy on North Korea [ http://ur1.ca/fuh6z ] | Oct 06 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 06 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | "Beginning next spring, the Air Force will fly several drones near North Korean borders to gather intelligence data on the reclusive country, where an estimated 24 million people live under oppression, sealed off from the rest of the world." | Oct 06 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | pfft.... | Oct 06 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | They've been doing that in a country of 300 million oppressed people that are increasingly sealed off from the rest of the world for over ten years. | Oct 06 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 06 07:21 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: only with DRI2+ drivers. | Oct 06 07:21 |
| prurigro | X has always been able to run without root-- we were talking about *dms | Oct 06 07:21 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: to interface with screen X11 has always required root. | Oct 06 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Until dri2 | Oct 06 07:22 |
| prurigro | what about when you logged in as your user and ran "startx"? | Oct 06 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Then dri2 buffer handling was stuffed up and guessable. | Oct 06 07:22 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: that is a suid bitted as root | Oct 06 07:22 |
| prurigro | and X too? | Oct 06 07:23 |
| prurigro | it isn't on my machine | Oct 06 07:23 |
| prurigro | ahh, xorg is tho | Oct 06 07:23 |
| prurigro | well there ya go | Oct 06 07:24 |
| prurigro | learned something new :) | Oct 06 07:24 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Oct 06 07:25 |
| oiaohm | Or in otherwords the first secuirty hole we want by by. | Oct 06 07:26 |
| prurigro | on a similar note, wayland is in serious need of full desktop support (which I hear gnome 3.10 is almost able to deliver now), but it worked quite nicely last I tested | Oct 06 07:26 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: gets worse when you start running more than 1 x11 session on a single video card and switching between them. | Oct 06 07:26 |
| brendyn | man, anyone know how to do javascript bullshit to download things begind jplayer buttons and ajax pages? | Oct 06 07:26 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: like with DRI2 and beffer only one set off buffers on the video card. | Oct 06 07:27 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: so lets play the magic dance of not step on each other. | Oct 06 07:27 |
| oiaohm | DRI3 is bring render nodes and other isolation things. | Oct 06 07:27 |
| oiaohm | Well and truely overdue. | Oct 06 07:27 |
| prurigro | brendyn: ajax will be exposed to everything that looks at the source once the page loads it (view source simply chooses to give ou the pre-ajax version, so grab developer tools or maybe it was firebug to view the newer sources) | Oct 06 07:28 |
| prurigro | brendyn: and then I think jplayer just has you drop the filename into its args iirc | Oct 06 07:28 |
| brendyn | prurigro: I need to do it systematically with tens of thousands of files on thousands of pages | Oct 06 07:29 |
| *brendyn promises he is up to no good | Oct 06 07:29 | |
| prurigro | oiaohm: word, yeah, I definitely had points back in the day where offscreens from one session were accidentally pasted into refreshing images on another display server session-- xgl helped a lot there | Oct 06 07:29 |
| prurigro | brendyn: hmm, I woner if wget or curl can trigger ajax... | Oct 06 07:29 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: the possiblity todo that is still in all current X11 servers. | Oct 06 07:29 |
| brendyn | i searched google but it really didnt look promising | Oct 06 07:30 |
| brendyn | i could not find much interesting in inspect element | Oct 06 07:30 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: basically X11 is a huge stuffed up mess. | Oct 06 07:30 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: this is why X12 is being considered after wayland. For a new remote X11 protocal with a huge stack of legacy stupidity killed. | Oct 06 07:30 |
| prurigro | brendyn: maybe use firebug to check what arguments are triggering the ajax to load new stuff, and then emulate that input using curl? | Oct 06 07:31 |
| brendyn | hmmm maybe, but its alright beyond my newby skills | Oct 06 07:31 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: ontop of wayland or as a more use-specific platform now that the desktop people won't be complaining? | Oct 06 07:32 |
| prurigro | brendyn: that's how you learn though! | Oct 06 07:32 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: wayland will be able to do remote very well using rendernodes and other things to send 3d grade graphics by VNC or RDP. | Oct 06 07:32 |
| brendyn | Oh wow, you're completely right. I had to click to expand (yet another) html div thingy before I could see the direct link | Oct 06 07:33 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: X12 will be attempt to get a more traffic compact protocol. | Oct 06 07:33 |
| brendyn | However, this still leaves the challange of making wget do it | Oct 06 07:33 |
| brendyn | I was thinking that It could be possible with some kind of javascript bookmarklet, but i dont even know javascript | Oct 06 07:33 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: oh sick-- that's actually a major fallback in the usability dept for X11; RDP style drawing, where a compressed image isn't what's required to be sent | Oct 06 07:34 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: RDP and VNC are both compressed image sends. | Oct 06 07:34 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: virtualgl prototype with X11 was also compressed image send but it did not work well because it was hacking the local video card drivers to work. | Oct 06 07:35 |
| brendyn | If i copy paste the link to wget I can download it, and i dont even need to use my login details | Oct 06 07:35 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: basically remote 3d acceated will become normal. | Oct 06 07:35 |
| prurigro | brendyn: I feel like you might have better luck with curl or something where you're speaking to the server rather than something attempting to download the html presented... though following links would be far less energy than curl | Oct 06 07:35 |
| brendyn | but traversing the page to get the link in the first place... :/ | Oct 06 07:35 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: X11 remote advantage is the means to send to client end what area of screen are of intest to applications. | Oct 06 07:36 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: so clicking else were does not result in network traffic that much. | Oct 06 07:36 |
| brendyn | hmm ok, but where to start. | Oct 06 07:36 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: word, yeah, that part I like too-- surely wayland could do that though since the whole 3d thing places each screen in a separate offscreen | Oct 06 07:37 |
| prurigro | brendyn: I've done something similar by using sqlite to create a temporary database of links each time it happens upon one (with an if statement checking it's in the domain I want checked), not adding duplicaes, and then going through one by one each time it gets to the end of the previous | Oct 06 07:38 |
| brendyn | holy shit | Oct 06 07:38 |
| brendyn | what about http://ubuntuincident.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/scraping-ajax-web-pages/ | Oct 06 07:39 |
| prurigro | used that to parse a giant intranet site and extract relevant information in the header and footer of each :) | Oct 06 07:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ubuntuincident.wordpress.com | Scraping AJAX web pages (Part 1) | The Ubuntu Incident [ http://ur1.ca/fuh9q ] | Oct 06 07:39 |
| brendyn | second option uses webkit | Oct 06 07:39 |
| prurigro | ohh yeah, I forgot there was a cli version of webkit | Oct 06 07:39 |
| brendyn | reckon it would be fruitful to try it? | Oct 06 07:40 |
| prurigro | odds of getting it to easily give you the resulting ajax page are higher, so I'd say yes-- even if you do then have to do something fancy for a recursive scan | Oct 06 07:40 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: X12 also will move applications off screens into independant zones. So different handling to share buffers. | Oct 06 07:41 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: even when rendering 2d you mean? | Oct 06 07:41 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: even for 2d rendering. | Oct 06 07:41 |
| prurigro | (since it already does this sans memory protection in 3d) | Oct 06 07:41 |
| prurigro | interesting | Oct 06 07:41 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: you know X11 magic stuff. | Oct 06 07:41 |
| brendyn | the website has a page full of normal html links. i follow those, and then there are 5 ajax tabs that contain different collections of text and jplayer buttons that i need to download | Oct 06 07:41 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: this is really stupid. Over network X11 sends magic ID as plain text. | Oct 06 07:42 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: X11 without ssh wrapping is open to attack so many ways its not funny. | Oct 06 07:42 |
| prurigro | brendyn: you're going for the text too eh? I guess you could just get a list of links to parse the first time, then go through and wget each of those directly with a second script, as an alternative (assuming links aren't generated for the session) | Oct 06 07:43 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Like at Univistory I use to be able to snoop on anyones screen because it was not encrypted. | Oct 06 07:43 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: yes X11 default spec says not encrypted. | Oct 06 07:43 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: they're probably relying on the networking solution being used to protect it no? like ssh? | Oct 06 07:43 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: what happens if you are logged into the same source matching. | Oct 06 07:44 |
| prurigro | university shoulda setup their vpn with encryption | Oct 06 07:44 |
| prurigro | it should be end to end | Oct 06 07:44 |
| prurigro | a different terminal shell shouldn't even be able to see it | Oct 06 07:44 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: but its not ssh wrapping. | Oct 06 07:44 |
| prurigro | yeah, but their vpn | Oct 06 07:44 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: same with vpn from same host. | Oct 06 07:44 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: ie traffic snooping same end. | Oct 06 07:44 |
| prurigro | wouldn't each terminal be a separate end point? | Oct 06 07:45 |
| oiaohm | Encrypted protocols beat VPN. | Oct 06 07:45 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: histroically no. | Oct 06 07:45 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: because cgroup network splitting is only recent invention and basically not used. | Oct 06 07:46 |
| prurigro | I'm a firm believer that the bottom network layer should be encrypted | Oct 06 07:46 |
| oiaohm | I am a firm believer that what should be encrypted should be encrypted when it enters the network stack anywhere. | Oct 06 07:46 |
| prurigro | word, cjdns would work, though that's too recent to be the solution used in schools | Oct 06 07:46 |
| prurigro | I actually like the idea of TRESOR on that note | Oct 06 07:47 |
| prurigro | though I don't feel like maintaining my own kernel fork of Arch's | Oct 06 07:47 |
| prurigro | tresor + cjdns would be encrypted for the local machine before entering the network stack, and then encrypted the moment it does thanks to cjdns | Oct 06 07:48 |
| prurigro | (the latter being encrypted for the destination) | Oct 06 07:49 |
| prurigro | I suppose at that point the only potential hole would be someone on the local machine with root access tcpdumping | Oct 06 07:49 |
| brendyn | I think there are latency critical tasks in various areas of science etc, such that mandatory encryption screws with that a bit | Oct 06 07:50 |
| prurigro | which would be solved by X encrypting the stream, true | Oct 06 07:50 |
| prurigro | I woudln't really trust a remote X session to be real time.. haha | Oct 06 07:50 |
| prurigro | also, the spec says no encryption is mandatory; oiaohm wasn't suggesting to make encryption mandatory, just remove the "you can't do that" | Oct 06 07:51 |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: exactly encryption should be optional | Oct 06 07:51 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: not forbin | Oct 06 07:52 |
| prurigro | yeah- if people want every layer of their computer encrypted they should be able to | Oct 06 07:52 |
| brendyn | if network providers encrypt, you have no choice but to deal with the consequences | Oct 06 07:52 |
| prurigro | and ideally, people could use a encryption type of their choice | Oct 06 07:52 |
| oiaohm | allowing tcpdumping should not magically destroy eveyrone privacy. | Oct 06 07:52 |
| prurigro | true | Oct 06 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Thinking you might need to tcpdump to debug issues. | Oct 06 07:53 |
| prurigro | course, you want password + pub/priv key crypto if you wanna be post-quantum, so hopefully they'd include that | Oct 06 07:53 |
| prurigro | no sense in encrypting if your packets can be opened up in a couple years | Oct 06 07:54 |
| prurigro | well, a sense, but less of one than keeping your info secure for the foreseeable future | Oct 06 07:54 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: couple of years might be enough secuirty. | Oct 06 07:55 |
| oiaohm | Like to prevent insider trading. | Oct 06 07:55 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: encrypted is a question of are the objectives. Not all encryption has to have a long life. | Oct 06 07:58 |
| prurigro | true, it depends what you're protecting eh | Oct 06 08:02 |
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| prurigro | I'd rather not need to think how long I need something hidden for (if at all) for some more generic things like remote desktop though | Oct 06 08:03 |
| brendyn | computers are probably the most frustrating thing in the universe | Oct 06 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | What the hell is up with edmunds.com? | Oct 06 08:12 |
| prurigro | s/frustrating/awesome | Oct 06 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | I went to look at the reliability rating for the Ford Freestar, and it lists "no major problems". | Oct 06 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | But it seems like anyone that has actually owned one reports that the transmission burns out about every 60,000 miles and they have other issues as well. | Oct 06 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | The engine seems to be the only good thing on the van (figures, since it's the same one they put on the F-150). | Oct 06 08:14 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founder-asks-danish-authorities-to-drop-hacking-case-131006/ | Oct 06 08:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Pirate Bay Founder Asks Danish Authorities to Drop Hacking Case | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fuhgq ] | Oct 06 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | Ford recalled a few hundred thousand of them to fix the transmission issue, but people that were paying to have the transmission repaired before the recall were paying about $2,800 for a rebuild. | Oct 06 08:15 |
| iophk | It would be remarkable if the Danes bring Gottfrid to court in spite of the Swedish judgment. It would mean, in principle, that one country after another could do this to him despite the acquittal, | Oct 06 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | As far as I can tell, Ford didn't recall the one that I was looking at, but I still don't want to risk any of my money on it. | Oct 06 08:15 |
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| brendyn | prurigro: i wonder if i could do it with emacs lol by loading the page to it, opening the js bullshit and then using macros to eat up the html and download stuff | Oct 06 08:39 |
| prurigro | brendyn: why on earth would you use emacs for that? haha, grep and sed should be plenty | Oct 06 08:40 |
| brendyn | because emacs can do everything | Oct 06 08:40 |
| brendyn | im still trying to figure out how to just open the god damn page | Oct 06 08:40 |
| prurigro | yeah, but grep and sed can be loaded into a script | Oct 06 08:40 |
| prurigro | once you get that, if you can output the text to your screen you're set | Oct 06 08:41 |
| brendyn | If I can actually get the generated html, then everything is downhill from there | Oct 06 08:41 |
| prurigro | grep -o -e is your friend (-o only returns the part that matches and -e is for regex) | Oct 06 08:41 |
| brendyn | ah didnt know that | Oct 06 08:41 |
| prurigro | so like \"http:\/\/domain[^\"]*\" or something, then snip the quotes with sed | Oct 06 08:42 |
| prurigro | or cut | Oct 06 08:42 |
| brendyn | I'll do that later. Currently I just want to figure out how to get through the javascript | Oct 06 08:42 |
| brendyn | ive managed to log in to the site with wget and save cookies | Oct 06 08:42 |
| prurigro | lol, not sure wget can handle ajax tho-- if you're not using that webkit thing | Oct 06 08:43 |
| brendyn | the internet tells me i cant do it | Oct 06 08:43 |
| prurigro | oh well, I'd trust the internet then | Oct 06 08:43 |
| brendyn | ;( | Oct 06 08:43 |
| brendyn | not sure how to use webkit | Oct 06 08:43 |
| brendyn | i wonder can i get to a login site with that too | Oct 06 08:43 |
| prurigro | you can almost definitely pass parameters | Oct 06 08:44 |
| prurigro | its webkit | Oct 06 08:44 |
| brendyn | how does one click an imaginary button :) | Oct 06 08:45 |
| brendyn | sorry but i just really fucking hate solving these problems so i have to ask for lots of help | Oct 06 08:47 |
| prurigro | brendyn: the button likely triggers a function or post that you can script | Oct 06 08:56 |
| brendyn | yeah | Oct 06 09:00 |
| brendyn | im trying to figure out logging to the site with phantomjs | Oct 06 09:00 |
| brendyn | anyway i have to sleep so ill try it later | Oct 06 09:04 |
| brendyn | thanks | Oct 06 09:04 |
| prurigro | haha good luck! | Oct 06 09:06 |
| prurigro | ciao | Oct 06 09:06 |
| iophk | http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2013/10/uk-debuts-first-open-standard.html | Oct 06 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerweekly.com | UK debuts first open standards with fanfare of kazoos - Public Sector IT [ http://ur1.ca/fuhyy ] | Oct 06 09:13 |
| iophk | "The ICT Strategy said document formats would be in the first tranche of compulsory open standards." | Oct 06 09:16 |
| iophk | but how far did they really get? | Oct 06 09:16 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiCAJ8ULnaI | Oct 06 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Jiffy Lube Scam Caught on Tape! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fui6v ] | Oct 06 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_626867&feature=iv&src_vid=wiCAJ8ULnaI&v=Pf6KY6rrqYU | Oct 06 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Jiffy Lube still scamming customers! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fui8i ] | Oct 06 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody should do an "engine flush". | Oct 06 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | ever | Oct 06 10:12 |
| ANOTHER SOURCE: | ||
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3124229 | Oct 01 01:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @linux@joindiaspora.com: "Ubuntu continues to push the envelope and aggravate the community with each new release"' http://blog.linuxacademy.com/linux/ubuntu-linux-13-10-preview-docking-with-mir/ | Oct 01 01:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blog.linuxacademy.com | Ubuntu Linux 13.10 Preview: Docking With Mir | Linux Academy Blog [ http://ur1.ca/fs191 ] | Oct 01 01:10 |
| schestowitz | "“Ubuntu is not Linux” according to Mr. Shuttleworth as they continue to try and differentiate Ubuntu in the eyes of the world and develop their own branding Shameful." | Oct 01 01:10 |
| JimmyCarter | surely they cant deny uses linux kernel.... "Yes uses Linux kernel, but its not Linux." | Oct 01 01:12 |
| JimmyCarter | we had extra hues to "ls --color" now its no longer linux | Oct 01 01:16 |
| JimmyCarter | dd* | Oct 01 01:16 |
| JimmyCarter | add | Oct 01 01:16 |
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| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: Android isn't Desktop LInux | Oct 01 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but is also a Linux distribution | Oct 01 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | however one wiithout GNU as well | Oct 01 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but since it uses Linux it's a Linux distribution | Oct 01 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | and just, because Ubuntu will use Mir instead of Wayland unike ike al othe distros | Oct 01 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | doesn't make it no less of a Linux distor | Oct 01 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: nice background for the beta | Oct 01 01:59 |
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| prurigro | finally, a reason to specify gnu/linux is here | Oct 01 04:31 |
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| schestowitz | JimmyCarter: lol | Oct 01 05:17 |
| prurigro | JimmyCarter: I threw an archlinux filesystem ontop of my linux/android OS and ls --color works like a charm :) | Oct 01 05:30 |
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| MinceR | 003934 < Sosumi> for the privacy issues? | Oct 01 06:34 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 01 06:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/384762624463753216?refsrc=email | Oct 01 06:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: EU LIBE Inquiry on Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens - http://t.co/2uDM7Loql4 resource behind great talk (v @schestowitz) #nsa | Oct 01 06:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | European Parliament LIBE Inquiry on Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens - Using Our Intelligence | Oct 01 06:38 |
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| iophk | http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/30/delta-pilots-fought-against-deal-to-replace-ipad-flight-bags-with-microsoft-surface | Oct 01 07:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | appleinsider.com | Delta Pilots fought against deal to replace iPad flight bags with Microsoft Surface [ http://ur1.ca/fsdfp ] | Oct 01 07:20 |
| iophk | old - http://www.billparish.com/20011128msftupdate.html | Oct 01 07:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.billparish.com | Microsoft Pyramid Update [ http://ur1.ca/fsdhl ] | Oct 01 07:21 |
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| iophk | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/09/richard-stallman-on-the-hacker-spirit-at-mit/ | Oct 01 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Hacker Spirit at MIT - Open Enterprise [ http://ur1.ca/fsemr ] | Oct 01 08:18 |
| iophk | "What follows is part of a long interview I conducted with him in 1999, when I was carrying out research for "Rebel Code". Most of this is unpublished" | Oct 01 08:18 |
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| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/microsoft-privacy-chief-nsa | Oct 01 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after NSA revelations | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fsevq ] | Oct 01 08:28 |
| iophk | "he only uses open source software where he can examine the underlying code." | Oct 01 08:29 |
| iophk | Is he the first one of his kind? | Oct 01 08:29 |
| iophk | No non-competes or other clauses in his contract? | Oct 01 08:29 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/snowden-says-his-sole-intention-was-to-prompt-national-security-debate/ | Oct 01 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Snowden says his “sole intention” was to prompt national security debate | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fsezm ] | Oct 01 08:34 |
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| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/30/email-surveillance-could-reveal-journalists-sources-expert-claims | Oct 01 08:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Email surveillance could reveal journalists' sources, expert claims | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fsff0 ] | Oct 01 08:55 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 01 09:02 |
| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/10/compare-elop-to-his-predecessor-kallasvuo-one-was-bad-one-was-the-worst-ever.html | Oct 01 09:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Compare Elop to his Predecessor Kallasvuo. One was Bad. One was The Worst Ever [ http://ur1.ca/fsfvs ] | Oct 01 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Apparently you're exempt from the Obamacare penalty for not having health insurance if you had a financial hardship. | Oct 01 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | The list includes a utility shut off notice. | Oct 01 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | So why not just go a couple of months without paying the gas bill, waiting for them to send a shut off notice, and then pay it? | Oct 01 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | The late fee for that is only like $20, but it gets you out of the $695 Obamacare penalty for the year. | Oct 01 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | Just do that every year and you save $675. | Oct 01 09:28 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if they stopped to think about how many people would figure this out. | Oct 01 09:29 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3312edf54c/hank-schrader-what-happens-next | Oct 01 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.funnyordie.com | Hank Schrader: What Happens Next with Dean Norris from Dean Norris, Nick Wiger, Andy Maxwell, Brian Lane, Funny Or Die, Jessica Leigh Schwartz, and BoTown Sound [ http://ur1.ca/fsg8p ] | Oct 01 09:36 |
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| iophk | deIcaza pops up again | Oct 01 10:29 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/09/gendarmerie_linux/ | Oct 01 10:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | French National Police Switch 37,000 Desktop PCs to Linux | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fsh2p ] | Oct 01 10:29 |
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| roy_ | iophk: quote? | Oct 01 10:42 |
| roy_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384976864454131712 | Oct 01 10:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #nsa is suppressing journalism http://t.co/ugaSNPjBfm | Oct 01 10:43 |
| iophk | indirect quote | Oct 01 10:44 |
| roy_ | iophk: yeah | Oct 01 10:44 |
| roy_ | well, he's a father now, that keeps him busy | Oct 01 10:44 |
| roy_ | better for Linux and esp. GNU | Oct 01 10:45 |
| roy_ | bbl | Oct 01 10:45 |
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| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/microsoft-cant-even-get-it-interested-in-its-mobile-platform-227568 | Oct 01 11:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Microsoft can't even get IT interested in its mobile platform | Mobile Technology - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fshom ] | Oct 01 11:10 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the bad part for Microsoft is once tizen sailfishos and ubuntu land its going to be even harder. | Oct 01 11:11 |
| oiaohm | iophk: reason theses will bring a Android compadible market. | Oct 01 11:11 |
| iophk | Yes one of the features marketed about Sailfish is Android compatibility | Oct 01 11:12 |
| iophk | I'm more interested in what it inherited from Meego | Oct 01 11:12 |
| oiaohm | iophk: same with Tizen and Ubuntu | Oct 01 11:12 |
| iophk | and FirefoxOS | Oct 01 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Firefox OS is targeted at lower end market. | Oct 01 11:12 |
| oiaohm | and not android compadible. | Oct 01 11:13 |
| iophk | Are there any plain phones out there? Something that just makes calls and holds a charge for a week or two? | Oct 01 11:14 |
| oiaohm | iophk: funny enough is that is firefox OS target. | Oct 01 11:15 |
| oiaohm | iophk: http://www.geek.com/mobile/firefox-os-minimum-specs-cant-get-much-more-minimal-1541349/ Note the firefox min specs. | Oct 01 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.geek.com | Firefox OS minimum specs can’t get much more minimal | Mobile | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/fshsl ] | Oct 01 11:17 |
| oiaohm | iophk: 800 mhz single core processor with 256 megs ram. | Oct 01 11:18 |
| oiaohm | iophk: or in otherwords I sip power configuration. | Oct 01 11:18 |
| iophk | Low specs to be sure. But there is no mention of how it performs | Oct 01 11:18 |
| iophk | smartphones are uninteresting | Oct 01 11:18 |
| oiaohm | there are other reviews out there finding the performance very denent. | Oct 01 11:19 |
| oiaohm | iophk: remember symbian OS was a stock and trade for a long time in the feature phones. | Oct 01 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Really I miss the lack of flip phones. | Oct 01 11:20 |
| iophk | or candy bars. You could fit a lot of modern battery in that form factor now. | Oct 01 11:20 |
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| oiaohm | iophk: ever seen the series eden of the east. | Oct 01 11:22 |
| iophk | no | Oct 01 11:22 |
| oiaohm | iophk: eden of the east flip phone I would love to have. | Oct 01 11:22 |
| iophk | don't they break after some use? | Oct 01 11:23 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I have a 10 year old flip phone I have used dayly. | Oct 01 11:25 |
| iophk | most netbooks or notebooks die physically long before that. | Oct 01 11:26 |
| iophk | The connection between the screen and the main box starts to go usually. | Oct 01 11:26 |
| oiaohm | iophk: http://www.japanator.com/elephant/ul/9937-620x-edenoftheeastcellphone.jpg NEC did up prototype of the phone then never put it into mass production. | Oct 01 11:26 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the design is that you can stand it like a webcam on a desk as well as use as a phone. | Oct 01 11:27 |
| iophk | strange | Oct 01 11:27 |
| iophk | kind of ugly though | Oct 01 11:28 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documents | Oct 01 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | NSA stores metadata of millions of web users for up to a year, secret files show | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fryeh ] | Oct 01 11:28 |
| oiaohm | iophk: kind ugly is why I like it. I phone is a tool so why should it look perfectly nice. | Oct 01 11:31 |
| oiaohm | iophk: http://lightofthedawn.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/konachan-com-50838-higashi_no_eden.jpg anime serries picture. | Oct 01 11:32 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the romain numbers 1 to 12 on the phone in the series are individual peoples like logs/blogs of activies they are doing. | Oct 01 11:34 |
| oiaohm | iophk: yes you could call it a true social media phone. | Oct 01 11:34 |
| oiaohm | iophk: mind you nothing could be as ugly as my first phone that was a bag phone. | Oct 01 11:36 |
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| iophk | Is this the same part of NIST that was infiltrated a few years ago by M$ to bend it into supporting OOXML? | Oct 01 14:25 |
| iophk | https://threatpost.com/silent-circle-moving-away-from-nist-ciphers-in-wake-of-nsa-revelations/102452 | Oct 01 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | threatpost.com | Silent Circle Moving Away From NIST Ciphers in Wake of NSA Revelations | Threatpost [ http://ur1.ca/fskk4 ] | Oct 01 14:25 |
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| iophk | http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon_2013_kde4/img25.html | Oct 01 14:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.openbsd.org | Slide 26 [ http://ur1.ca/fskwm ] | Oct 01 14:52 |
| iophk | KDE | Oct 01 14:52 |
| iophk | not sure if it's serious | Oct 01 14:53 |
| MinceR | where do they get metrics like this? | Oct 01 14:54 |
| iophk | no source given | Oct 01 14:54 |
| MinceR | i doubt it's serious | Oct 01 14:54 |
| iophk | probably not, it would be hard to guess | Oct 01 14:54 |
| iophk | There aren't really any mechanism for monitoring usage in OpenBSD | Oct 01 14:54 |
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| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 01 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's a good thing they're not hosting on Windows Server, or it would have totally collapsed and wouldn't even be loading the main page at this point. | Oct 01 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | (on the health insurance exchange website) | Oct 01 17:13 |
| iophk | based on the Guardian article linked to earlier: | Oct 01 17:14 |
| iophk | http://hothardware.com/News/Former-Microsoft-Privacy-Chief-Says-He-No-Longer-Trusts-The-Company/ | Oct 01 17:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hothardware.com | Former Microsoft Privacy Chief Says He No Longer Trusts The Company - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/fsmxt ] | Oct 01 17:14 |
| iophk | This one has a map of the traffic through the US | Oct 01 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 01 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I've never had a problem with a Fedora update, but we have bittorrent and a few hundred mirrors with lots of bandwidth. | Oct 01 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't surprise me that Apple's update servers get flaky. As long as your credit card gets billed first, they have no reason to care. | Oct 01 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe Apple should just turn their customers computers into a mandatory botnet like certain other proprietary software does to keep their hosting costs down. It's not like the users have the power to make this sort of software stop doing nasty things to them. :) | Oct 01 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | (in reply to someone that mentioned that Apple's update servers have issues on release days) | Oct 01 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T has raised prices again. | Oct 01 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | A basic phone line with no features is now $23 plus taxes and fees. | Oct 01 17:41 |
| roy_ | > FYI | Oct 01 18:45 |
| roy_ | > | Oct 01 18:45 |
| roy_ | > http://infojustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Brazilian_Patent_Reform.pdf | Oct 01 18:45 |
| roy_ | > | Oct 01 18:45 |
| roy_ | > Amongst others very interesting pages ten or so pages concerning | Oct 01 18:45 |
| roy_ | > software patents ( beginning at page 199 ). | Oct 01 18:45 |
| roy_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385097697222754305 | Oct 01 18:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft's legacy of violating privacy and lying about it http://t.co/LczjBXOBAr #microsoft #privacy | Oct 01 18:56 |
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| MinceR | 182401 < DaemonFC> Maybe Apple should just turn their customers computers into a mandatory botnet like certain other proprietary software does to keep their hosting costs down. It's not like | Oct 01 19:37 |
| MinceR | the users have the power to make this sort of software stop doing nasty things to them. :) | Oct 01 19:37 |
| MinceR | how do you know they aren't? | Oct 01 19:37 |
| MinceR | they totally own hypeDevices in a way people who paid for them don't | Oct 01 19:37 |
| Sosumi | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3NDE | Oct 01 19:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA Drops Linux Driver Feature Not Found On Windows [ http://ur1.ca/fspaj ] | Oct 01 19:57 |
| Sosumi | more "love" from nvidia | Oct 01 19:57 |
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| Sosumi | according to Bernays, the inclusion of the rudimentary thumb scan on the hypePhone, was a concerted move between apple and cigar cutter manufacturers in order to sell cigar cutters | Oct 01 20:01 |
| Sosumi | true story | Oct 01 20:01 |
| Sosumi | with prosthectics manufacturers thrown somewhere in the middle | Oct 01 20:03 |
| Sosumi | and the conspiracy keeps building up | Oct 01 20:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 01 20:05 |
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| Sosumi | sebsebseb, seb³ would be much more efficient | Oct 01 20:17 |
| iophk | sosumi: irc can't do unicode in names | Oct 01 20:17 |
| Sosumi | shame on me then | Oct 01 20:17 |
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| sebsebseb | Sosumi: that would ruin my whole name thing to | Oct 01 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | it's got nothing too do with a 3 in the air | Oct 01 20:25 |
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| Sosumi | that math | Oct 01 20:32 |
| Sosumi | spot the differences | Oct 01 20:38 |
| Sosumi | www.nasa.gov | Oct 01 20:38 |
| Sosumi | www.nsa.gov | Oct 01 20:38 |
| Sosumi | nsa finally updated :) | Oct 01 20:39 |
| Sosumi | I bet they were too busy editing "David Cameron's Camera ON" | Oct 01 20:40 |
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| iophk | marketeering disguised as 'research' http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1747235/the-memo-that-spawned-microsoft-research | Oct 01 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tech.slashdot.org | The Memo That Spawned Microsoft Research - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fsqc6 ] | Oct 01 21:00 |
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| roy_1 | indeed | Oct 01 21:34 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385140466033131520 | Oct 01 21:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Uploaded about 150 photos from last month http://t.co/GznPwzOxbg | Oct 01 21:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | Around Manchester | Oct 01 21:34 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385141106562039808 | Oct 01 21:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdot | Oct 01 21:36 |
| roy_1 | Nathan Myhrvold and xconomy | Oct 01 21:37 |
| roy_1 | typical MS talking points | Oct 01 21:37 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385141818037653505 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385142124444135424 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385143069680861184 | Oct 01 21:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Wilder than ski jump http://t.co/jY5JwCmfot | Oct 01 21:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Collaboration http://t.co/8Sa21tAm0J | Oct 01 21:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Two #Mormon 'missionaries' wasted two hours of my time (and my wife's) this morning. It's like traveling salesmen, theist edition... | Oct 01 21:45 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3124228 | Oct 01 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Ubuntu continues to push the envelope and aggravate the community with each new release"' http://blog.linuxacademy.com/linux/ubuntu-linux-13-10-preview-docking-with-mir/ | Oct 01 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blog.linuxacademy.com | Ubuntu Linux 13.10 Preview: Docking With Mir | Linux Academy Blog [ http://ur1.ca/fs191 ] | Oct 01 21:46 |
| roy_1 | "Have been enjoying Linux Mint Debian Edition myself." | Oct 01 21:47 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3126974 | Oct 01 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #nsa is suppressing journalism http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/30/email-surveillance-could-reveal-journalists-sources-expert-claims | Oct 01 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Email surveillance could reveal journalists' sources, expert claims | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fsff0 ] | Oct 01 21:47 |
| roy_1 | "Maybe, to protect leakers, someone could make a "lemmings" email program for journalists, scientists and government employees that would create regular bogus communications that could be filtered out by a message contained key phrase. The program could be distributed by Union of Concerned Scientists, government employee unions, etc. It would establish regular, random communications between the user and major newspapers." | Oct 01 21:48 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128339 | Oct 01 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's legacy of violating privacy and lying about it http://hothardware.com/News/Former-Microsoft-Privacy-Chief-Says-He-No-Longer-Trusts-The-Company/ #microsoft #privacy | Oct 01 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | Former Microsoft Privacy Chief Says He No Longer Trusts The Company - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/fsmxt ] | Oct 01 21:48 |
| roy_1 | ' | Oct 01 21:48 |
| roy_1 | "<sarcasm> WoW I am shocked </sarcaasm>" | Oct 01 21:49 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/shut-day-humor-government-closed | Oct 01 22:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Shut Day Humor: Is The Government Closed? | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/fss2y ] | Oct 01 22:40 |
| Sosumi | well ofc not, the "invisible" government composed by the military/intelligence industrial complex and special interest groups continue in sound operation | Oct 01 22:43 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 01 23:28 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385293971398078464 | Oct 02 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: UK detention of Reprieve activist consistent with NSA's view of drone opponents as 'threats' and 'adversaries' http://t.co/gOUEf2ydb9 #fbi | Oct 02 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | UK detention of Reprieve activist consistent with NSA's view of drone opponents as 'threats' and 'adversaries' | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.com | Oct 02 07:44 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385295656329695232 | Oct 02 07:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after #NSA revelations http://t.co/AR84mWgK0p http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0 beyond complicity | Oct 02 07:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after NSA revelations | World news | theguardian.com | Oct 02 07:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights | Oct 02 07:50 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128913 | Oct 02 08:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdot | Oct 02 08:05 |
| roy_1 | " | Oct 02 08:05 |
| roy_1 | I hardly look at that site anymore. It's another example of a communications channel that was infiltrated and subverted by Microsoft. | Oct 02 08:05 |
| roy_1 | Microsoft attaches itself like a cancer to everything cool in tech through their "Evangelism is War" way of life. Every one to many communications channel, OEM and vendor is targeted for conversion to complete Microsoft control or destruction. Representatives pretend to be members of the targeted group while spying and making trouble. They always aim for levers of control to eliminate opposition and further the conversion. A group only has | Oct 02 08:05 |
| roy_1 | to be infiltrated by a single Microsoft person for the process to begin. The Microsoft representatives will consume more and more resources until what's left of the disfigured group quits in disgust. The converted group pretends still be independent so that new, distant sites can be corrupted and ruined. | Oct 02 08:05 |
| roy_1 | " | Oct 02 08:05 |
| roy_1 | I wonder if microsoft still bribes professors for ads. It does bribe some for anti-Google rhetoric... | Oct 02 08:06 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128938 | Oct 02 08:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #beliefs #atheist | Oct 02 08:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by pritam@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_1f0c135ff816d5799ae0.png | Oct 02 08:12 |
| roy_1 | "Sure????"{ | Oct 02 08:12 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128940 | Oct 02 08:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Two #Mormon 'missionaries' wasted two hours of my time (and my wife's) this morning. It's like traveling salesmen, theist edition... | Oct 02 08:13 |
| roy_1 | " | Oct 02 08:14 |
| roy_1 | Rule #1 with 'missionaries': Do not open the door. Failing that, | Oct 02 08:14 |
| roy_1 | Rule #2 with 'missionaries': Close the door ASAP. Failing that, | Oct 02 08:14 |
| roy_1 | Rule #3 with 'missionaries': Never allow them into your home. FT, | Oct 02 08:14 |
| roy_1 | Rule #4 with 'missionaries': Keep voodoo paraphernalia close at hand. Ask them where they have even done missionary work, carefully note any Africa and/or the Caribbean countries mentioned. There upon, pull out the 'dolls', ask them for a locks of hair and threads from their clothing, light black wax candles, advise them for their own health and safety that they should leave immediately, and then begin chanting in a language that, is most | Oct 02 08:14 |
| roy_1 | likely not to coincide with their travel experience. FT, | Oct 02 08:14 |
| roy_1 | Rule #5 with 'missionaries': Feign the voodoo spell went awry and advise them it is imperative you and/or your spouse seek assistance from a qualified Shaman. FT, | Oct 02 08:15 |
| roy_1 | Rule #6 with 'missionaries': Kiss hours goodbye. | Oct 02 08:15 |
| roy_1 | I'm guessing you were unaware of rules #1 - #5. | Oct 02 08:15 |
| roy_1 | " | Oct 02 08:15 |
| roy_1 | "Oddly enough, they never seem to want to hang out when I answer the door naked with a box of condoms in my hand." | Oct 02 08:15 |
| roy_1 | This wasn't at the door but at a bench in Town | Oct 02 08:15 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385303432170840064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304027028021248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304429282738176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304975586639872 | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: So I heard you want to try Linux http://t.co/V8gId1RXWX #gnu #linux | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> netrunner-mag.com | So I heard you want to try Linux | Netrunner MAG | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Semplice 5 review – High Hopes http://t.co/LezH218wMh #gnu #linux #semplice | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linuxbsdos.com | Semplice 5 review – High Hopes | LinuxBSDos.com | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ryan "icculus" Gordon Says Linux Viable Gaming Platform http://t.co/Tvtn3zDyRw #gnu #linux #games | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> ostatic.com | Ryan "icculus" Gordon Says Linux Viable Gaming Platform | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Big names involved in #gnu #linux gaming http://t.co/0qz48xsRO2 http://t.co/9JTf8vaDCZ http://t.co/0XXN7cZcWW | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.yahoo.com | Nvidia claims SteamOS partnership - Yahoo News | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.actiontrip.com | Valve Reveals Steam Machine Controller | Oct 02 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.extremetech.com | Making sense of Valve’s Steam Box: Windows vs. Linux, OpenGL vs. DirectX, and the impact of support from AMD & Nvidia | ExtremeTech | Oct 02 08:28 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385306902437310464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385307689955250176 | Oct 02 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: [Video] Happy Birthday to GNU! <3 http://t.co/2P5plS5J8e days ago. #gnu #fsf | Oct 02 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.laquadrature.net | [Video] Happy Birthday to GNU! <3 | La Quadrature du Net | Oct 02 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: International Day of Non-Violence today https://t.co/uEVWUHDoiI | Oct 02 08:38 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385308141044662272 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385308588073574400 | Oct 02 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Faulty hardware https://t.co/QPwpUBMp9w # nsa | Oct 02 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Keep Off http://t.co/gWwUidnev9 photographer uses dog cruelly | Oct 02 08:42 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130388 | Oct 02 08:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Big names involved in #gnu #linux gaming http://news.yahoo.com/nvidia-claims-steamos-partnership-144002916.html http://www.actiontrip.com/news/valve-reveals-steam-machine-controller/092713_8 http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/167541-making-sense-of-the-steam-box-windows-vs-linux-opengl-vs-direct3d-and-the-impact-of-support-from-amd-nvidia | Oct 02 08:45 |
| roy_1 | "But always remember that Valve is one of the godfathers of DRM. And the Steam client is closed source." | Oct 02 08:46 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385312662969929728 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385314152161755136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385314575329280000 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385315606909960192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385316176425144320 | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 10 open-source alternatives for small business software http://t.co/I0HSe0IvGR #freesw | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.pcworld.com | 10 open-source alternatives for small business software | PCWorld | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Temper Pi http://t.co/Bp13kwnRVj "Raspberry Pi was announced, I knew I eventually would use one to power a beer fridge" | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linuxjournal.com | Temper Pi | Linux Journal | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Recovery hype: American Capitalism's weapon of mass distraction http://t.co/kawM9BDgVC #finance #debt #slavery #spin | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rdwolff.com | Recovery hype: American Capitalism's weapon of mass distraction | Professor Richard D. Wolff | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CCTV #surveillance "bringing in £300m in revenue from parking enforcement" http://t.co/kZ4bKslhji but 'sold' as 'for security' | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk | Government signals end to CCTV use for parking fines | Big Brother Watch | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: BBW focuses on Google, neglecting Stalin's dream, Microsoft (which is behind anti-Google PR) http://t.co/uxRSD0BLqr http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0 | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk | Press comment: CNIL moves towards enforcement | Big Brother Watch | Oct 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights | Oct 02 09:13 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/385316532844126208 | Oct 02 09:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: @schestowitz while inflation is relatively low, it was higher than .4%, so really everyone else saw their income continue to drop. | Oct 02 09:16 |
| gulag2013 | Don't count Food or Energy. | Oct 02 09:16 |
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| MinceR | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wU_PwOMoYFg/Uksgilc_8aI/AAAAAAABDcg/qv153P_WqvQ/w800-h736-no/1381723_223469294480149_1555770665_n.jpg | Oct 02 09:25 |
| roy_1 | "All in all, Mr. Elop stands to gain about $25.4 million. It’s not all bad news for the new and downsized Nokia, however. It appears that 70% of that total will be paid by Microsoft, his once and future bosses. Welcome home, Mr. Elop." | Oct 02 09:27 |
| roy_1 | "All in all, Mr. Elop stands to gain about $25.4 million. It’s not all bad news for the new and downsized Nokia, however. It appears that 70% ohttp://fossforce.com/2013/09/torvalds-diplomacy-elops-riches/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=torvalds-diplomacy-elops-richesf that total will be paid by Microsoft, his once and future bosses. Welcome home, Mr. Elop." | Oct 02 09:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Torvald's Diplomacy, Elop's Riches & More… - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/ft4qz ] | Oct 02 09:27 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385318129309872128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385318981147852800 | Oct 02 09:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "risk of cyber attacks on cars is growing dramatically." http://t.co/P82EpCDxfJ http://t.co/BpZKkHfgif | Oct 02 09:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxgizmos.com | Consortium plans to protect cars from cyber attacks · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 02 09:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.salon.com | Report: Michael Hastings feared his car had been tampered with - Salon.com | Oct 02 09:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: US websites should inform EU citizens about NSA surveillance, says report http://t.co/GBVVHsg2gW via http://t.co/1nkKFJAW9N | Oct 02 09:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.computerweekly.com | US websites should inform EU citizens about NSA surveillance, says report | Oct 02 09:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> openstack.blogspot.co.uk | Open Stack: OpenStack 09/27/2013 (p.m.) | Oct 02 09:28 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385321536288485376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385321932549533697 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385321950580854784 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385322687062896640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385322972040658944 | Oct 02 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: As debt 'crisis' (greed of lenders) deepens, the greater the push for wars and colonialism https://t.co/7ExOudI7WA | Oct 02 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Obama's plea for war on Syria sometimes looks like a businessman's endeavour. Even the language is similar. | Oct 02 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Red Hat releases upgrade to older Red Hat Enterprise Linux: RHEL 5.10 http://t.co/Gt3BqmaSqM #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 02 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.zdnet.com | Red Hat releases upgrade to older Red Hat Enterprise Linux: RHEL 5.10 | ZDNet | Oct 02 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Remote Desktop Access Update http://t.co/W2dcWfqZ1z better in #gnu #linux than in other platforms | Oct 02 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.montanalinux.org | Remote Desktop Access Update | MontanaLinux.org | Oct 02 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Pisi 1.0 goes RC! http://t.co/uJbpriTOy9 #pisi #gnu #linux | Oct 02 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Pisi 1.0 goes RC! | Oct 02 09:41 |
| iophk | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Secret-3G-Radio-in-Every-Intel-vPro-CPU-Could-Steal-Your-Ideas-at-Any-Time-385194.shtml | Oct 02 09:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Secret 3G Radio in Every Intel vPro CPU Could Steal Your Ideas at Any Time [ http://ur1.ca/ft522 ] | Oct 02 09:48 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385326270592331776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385327558172368896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385327926054760448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385328233539194880 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385328658459938816 | Oct 02 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Intel "chip is visible to the 3G network, even when the PC is not powered on". Boycott #Intel http://t.co/Rja8GJB3qn http://t.co/VdKKrDFE21 | Oct 02 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights | Oct 02 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> chattahbox.com | New York Sues Intel for Antitrust Crimes of ‘Bribery and Coercion’ | ChattahBox News Blog | Oct 02 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Even poor people are getting easier to tag and track now http://t.co/tDcQ5fH8Ro | Oct 02 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'www10.nytimes.com' ( status 0 @ http://www10.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/developing-countries-surge-in-mobile-broadband-u-n-finds/?=ref=global-home&_r=6& ) | Oct 02 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Internet came from the US military. Many people delude themselves into thinking it's now "ours". But know where root servers are. #nsa | Oct 02 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The technology for wi-fi meshes/p2p that are independent from central authorities available for decade+, actively suppressed by oligopoly | Oct 02 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: OLPC was not a challenge only to Wintel. Its infrastructure for networks was a disruptive force which -- if arrived here -- would crush $ | Oct 02 10:02 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/02/microsoft-investors-reportedly-press-for-bill-gates-to-step-down | Oct 02 10:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Microsoft investors reportedly press for Bill Gates to step down | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/ft5au ] | Oct 02 10:06 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329367217606656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329814682730496 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385330142526320640 | Oct 02 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Google datacentres are being synchronised over Internet. Which means, the #NSA can intercept any data replicated within Google. MACs too. | Oct 02 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Android camera/microphone (just separate streams) is accessed remotely by the NSA, based on a Wall Street Journal report (2013). | Oct 02 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft investors want the criminal out (not just Ballmer) http://t.co/tIKqq3Qd6Q but you need criminals to run a crime syndicate | Oct 02 10:08 |
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| iophk | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/nacchio_claims_nsa_set_him_up/ | Oct 02 10:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theregister.co.uk | 'The NSA set me up,' ex-con Qwest exec claims • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/ft5mp ] | Oct 02 10:26 |
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| iophk | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/gnu-three-decades-old-happy-birdthday/14518 | Oct 02 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | GNU is three decades old, happy birdthday! - Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/ft76a ] | Oct 02 12:18 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329367217606656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329814682730496 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385330142526320640 | Oct 02 13:11 |
| roy_1 | http://www.lessig.org/2013/09/there-will-be-live-streaming-of-constitutional-accountability/ | Oct 02 13:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.lessig.org | There will be live streaming of Constitutional Accountability… | Lessig [ http://ur1.ca/fpmz5 ] | Oct 02 13:11 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385331715507757056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385332090407235585 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385332466678267904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385376857107202048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385379479226699776 | Oct 02 13:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: A decade ago I was rather proud to be reading and commenting in Slashdot. These days my views of the site are exceptionally negative. | Oct 02 13:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The founder of Slashdot is now working for #bezos and serving an Establishment paper that the #CIA actively uses for #propaganda | Oct 02 13:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Our independent media is being crushed by money. It's all about money. Truth does not necessitate money, usually the opposite is true. | Oct 02 13:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'The NSA set me up,' ex-con Qwest exec claims http://t.co/csUyDJrn7h #nsa #cia tactics if true | Oct 02 13:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNU is three decades old, happy birdthday! http://t.co/w6KAnHjG8p is that #ubuntu #unity behind him? | Oct 02 13:25 |
| iophk | crap UI from hell : http://meta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1849218/come-try-out-slashdots-new-design-in-beta | Oct 02 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | meta.slashdot.org | Come Try Out Slashdot's New Design (In Beta) - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/ft89i ] | Oct 02 13:28 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385381043068751872 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385381704602767360 | Oct 02 13:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Cameron: let me pass wealth to the rich (lenders) http://t.co/uPu2ASA4tc | Oct 02 13:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.ft.com | Cameron urges voters let him ‘finish the job’ of cutting deficit - FT.com | Oct 02 13:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://t.co/8whSIRV1Ck | Oct 02 13:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware | Oct 02 13:33 |
| roy_1 | iophk: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385382428363485184 | Oct 02 13:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Slashdot is being demoted into just another blog http://t.co/jxvJyTTTGQ | Oct 02 13:35 |
| oiaohm | samsung also offers a few devices with custom connectors. | Oct 02 13:39 |
| roy_1 | http://pod.asap-soft.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_d58a1d9a66e2eb8bc7fe.jpg | Oct 02 13:41 |
| roy_1 | Shopped. She'd have to get her head closer to reach his pecker. | Oct 02 13:42 |
| iophk | The Dice move is designed to kill it off. It was too FOSS | Oct 02 13:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 02 13:43 |
| MinceR | the keystone2, for example | Oct 02 13:43 |
| oiaohm | In theory apple could keep the lighting connector if they add a micro usb on the case somewhere to change from. | Oct 02 13:50 |
| iophk | aren't micro-USB plugs fragile? | Oct 02 13:51 |
| MinceR | afaik they aren't | Oct 02 13:51 |
| oiaohm | iophk:micro-usb are in fact quite tough. | Oct 02 13:52 |
| iophk | That's good. | Oct 02 13:52 |
| iophk | If used for charging they are going to see a lot of abuse. | Oct 02 13:52 |
| oiaohm | iophk: in fact a issue can be that it takes the socket out the phone if its not connect to the phone well enough. | Oct 02 13:53 |
| oiaohm | iophk: someways the plug and socket of micro-usb is too srong. | Oct 02 13:53 |
| oiaohm | srong/strong | Oct 02 13:53 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383169064984576 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128 | Oct 02 13:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Newell http://t.co/f8SUjsvulC #valve #arrogance claims? | Oct 02 13:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Greek Golden Dawn party leader due in court http://t.co/4YAM3WN38W #nazism in #greece | Oct 02 13:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.aljazeera.com | Greek Golden Dawn party leader due in court - Europe - Al Jazeera English | Oct 02 13:56 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130627 | Oct 02 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Android camera/microphone (just separate streams) is accessed remotely by the NSA, based on a Wall Street Journal report (2013). | Oct 02 14:02 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130627 | Oct 02 14:02 |
| roy_1 | "I don't know why but I'm not surprised ^^°" | Oct 02 14:03 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130612 | Oct 02 14:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Internet came from the US military. Many people delude themselves into thinking it's now "ours". But know where root servers are. #nsa | Oct 02 14:03 |
| roy_1 | "wireless communities are the way out" | Oct 02 14:03 |
| oiaohm | roy_1: core fault in wifi network is still not fixed. | Oct 02 14:04 |
| roy_1 | yeah | Oct 02 14:04 |
| roy_1 | "maybe for a reason" | Oct 02 14:05 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131105 | Oct 02 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://hothardware.com/News/EU-Votes-to-Make-All-Smartphone-Vendors-Utilize-a-Standard-Charger/ | Oct 02 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/ft8t4 ] | Oct 02 14:05 |
| roy_1 | "Microsoft & Apple, same struggle" | Oct 02 14:05 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130856 | Oct 02 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @joan51@pod.asap-soft.com: | Oct 02 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by joan51@pod.asap-soft.com: http://pod.asap-soft.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_d58a1d9a66e2eb8bc7fe.jpg | Oct 02 14:05 |
| roy_1 | "But it is understood that it's all about" | Oct 02 14:06 |
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| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131162 | Oct 02 14:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is being demoted into just another blog http://meta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1849218/come-try-out-slashdots-new-design-in-beta | Oct 02 14:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> meta.slashdot.org | Come Try Out Slashdot's New Design (In Beta) - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/ft89i ] | Oct 02 14:32 |
| roy_1 | "I cried out in disgust when I saw the revamp. It burns." | Oct 02 14:32 |
| roy_1 | http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/microsoft-skydrive-and-open-document.html | Oct 02 14:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Microsoft SkyDrive and Open Document Files [ http://ur1.ca/ft9cv ] | Oct 02 14:37 |
| roy_1 | http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/microsoft-skydrive-and-open-document.html | Oct 02 14:43 |
| roy_1 | " What I do not understand is if the legal action has legs... After all, Gmail users have been informed previously about the practice and must consent to it in order to open a Gmail account." | Oct 02 14:43 |
| roy_1 | Does Microsoft not read them? | Oct 02 14:43 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385400133791522816 | Oct 02 14:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Games! Steam in Mageia 3 http://t.co/ETFy2Uj20a not just #ubuntu but all of #gnu #linux | Oct 02 14:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Games! Steam in Mageia 3 | Oct 02 14:50 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128 | Oct 02 14:51 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128 | Oct 02 14:56 |
| roy_1 | bot is being weird | Oct 02 14:56 |
| iophk | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/ilija-trojanow-nsa-criticism_n_4024595.html | Oct 02 15:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.huffingtonpost.com | Ilija Trojanow, German Writer, Banned From US For Criticizing NSA [ http://ur1.ca/ft9zz ] | Oct 02 15:20 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385417926276571136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385418502708154368 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385419210840887296 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385419664123502592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385420183923589120 | Oct 02 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: This is why myself and some friends of mine aren't even interested in visiting the US anymore http://t.co/MkHGKGxOV4 | Oct 02 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: German citizens don't require visa to enter US, but it's not nationalism but ideas that scare the biometrics-loving admin.They have mine. | Oct 02 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Having spent past hours looking at flights & visa reqs' (planning Singapore visit), can't help recalling Erdos' denial of access to US [1/2] | Oct 02 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Liberalism wrt access without barriers & harassment required for building fantastic economy. Remember https://t.co/rTBzEJgOzL [2/2] | Oct 02 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> en.wikipedia.org | The New Colossus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 02 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Bush & Obama eras show ascent of cognitive dissonance among the ruling class. US citizens should reclaims their country from the 1%. | Oct 02 16:07 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385422074044743680 | Oct 02 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: If you acquire fingerprint data (10 fingers) from a German going to present at conference, then your immigration policy is probably broken. | Oct 02 16:16 |
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| iophk | old - http://blog.billparish.com/2008/10/29/estate-tax-and-tax-equity-bill-gates-sr-battles-son-bill-gates-jr-and-grover-norquistwarren-buffett-weighs-in/ | Oct 02 16:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blog.billparish.com | Estate Tax and Tax Equity: Bill Gates Sr. Battles Son Bill Gates Jr. as Grover Norquist and Warren Buffett Weigh In | Bill Parish - Parish & Company Registered Investment Advisor [ http://ur1.ca/ftb46 ] | Oct 02 16:42 |
| iophk | https://medium.com/p/d48995e8eb5a | Oct 02 18:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | medium.com | How Dread Pirate Roberts (Silk Road) got caught. — Medium | Oct 02 18:53 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: | Oct 02 19:50 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR | Oct 02 19:50 |
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| MinceR | yeah, i got the message. :> | Oct 02 19:51 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: | Oct 02 19:51 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR | Oct 02 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | :D | Oct 02 19:51 |
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| iophk | http://www.ehackingnews.com/2013/10/silk-road-taken-down-by-fbi.html | Oct 02 20:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ehackingnews.com | Silk Road taken down by FBI - E Hacker News [ http://ur1.ca/ftdt0 ] | Oct 02 20:20 |
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| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131162 | Oct 02 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is being demoted into just another blog http://meta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1849218/come-try-out-slashdots-new-design-in-beta | Oct 02 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> meta.slashdot.org | Come Try Out Slashdot's New Design (In Beta) - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/ft89i ] | Oct 02 21:47 |
| roy_1 | "RIP, Slashdot." | Oct 02 21:47 |
| MinceR | slashdot died long ago | Oct 02 21:47 |
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| roy_1 | "Their schools program is still going strong. They try to round up children into Facebook and kiddie versions of Facebook. This seems to be part of Bill Gates effort to privatize education. My daughter is dealing with an obnoxious "common core" curriculum and still has Edumodo shoved on her by the gifted and talented program. Her ordinary courses use Moodle, which is terribly backward but probably the result of Microsoft lobby power. I'm not | Oct 02 21:48 |
| roy_1 | sure what's going on at the University level today, but wiretapping laws forced nasty stuff like Cisco that leaned heavily towards Microsoft." | Oct 02 21:48 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128913 | Oct 02 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdot | Oct 02 21:49 |
| roy_1 | Moodle is great. I installed it twice and will document some manual work I have done moving away from proprietary systems. | Oct 02 21:50 |
| iophk | call marketeering as research and you're golden. | Oct 02 21:51 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131105 | Oct 02 21:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://hothardware.com/News/EU-Votes-to-Make-All-Smartphone-Vendors-Utilize-a-Standard-Charger/ | Oct 02 21:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/ft8t4 ] | Oct 02 21:51 |
| roy_1 | Moodle is great. I installed it twice and will document some manual work I have done moving away from proprietary systems. | Oct 02 21:51 |
| roy_1 | As the author points out, you can charge via USB with no problem with the right cable (or an adapter). If the author took a moment to consider what problems the Lightning connector solves (no need for multiple ports, no need to put additional circuitry into devices to support those ports, no need to power that unneeded circuitry) you'd realize that Apple's solution to the problem is vastly superior to having a USB port for charging and saves | Oct 02 21:51 |
| roy_1 | power, costs less for most users, and is generally better. | Oct 02 21:51 |
| roy_1 | The EU might be better served focusing its efforts on getting other device manufacturers to save power and contain less unused and duplicate circuitry. | Oct 02 21:51 |
| roy_1 | As the author points out, you can charge via USB with no problem with the right cable (or an adapter). If the author took a moment to consider what problems the Lightning connector solves (no need for multiple ports, no need to put additional circuitry into devices to support those ports, no need to power that unneeded circuitry) you'd realize that Apple's solution to the problem is vastly superior to having a USB port for charging and saves | Oct 02 21:51 |
| roy_1 | power, costs less for most users, and is generally better. | Oct 02 21:51 |
| roy_1 | The EU might be better served focusing its efforts on getting other device manufacturers to save power and contain less unused and duplicate circuitry. | Oct 02 21:51 |
| roy_1 | " | Oct 02 21:51 |
| roy_1 | "Nokia only had one charger for all their phones. It's funny how that's forgotten now." | Oct 02 21:52 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 02 21:52 |
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| MinceR | they had a thick charger, then a 2mm charger, then micro-usb | Oct 02 21:52 |
| MinceR | but retained the 2mm charger for low-end phones at least for a while | Oct 02 21:53 |
| roy_1 | Nokia is no more. In 2011 it was turned into bodyparts and sold in pieces to Microsoft trolls, Microsoft, and some of its money got funnelled into the bank account of a mole. | Oct 02 21:53 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130507 | Oct 02 22:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "risk of cyber attacks on cars is growing dramatically." http://linuxgizmos.com/consortium-plans-to-protect-cars-from-cyber-attacks/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/21/report_michael_hastings_feared_his_car_had_been_tampered_with/ | Oct 02 22:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxgizmos.com | Consortium plans to protect cars from cyber attacks · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/ftew9 ] | Oct 02 22:00 |
| roy_1 | "Almost all new cars have remote kill switches. No consumer infotainment systems are required to screw the driver. It's non free software and that is always used against the user." | Oct 02 22:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.salon.com | Report: Michael Hastings feared his car had been tampered with - Salon.com [ http://ur1.ca/ftewb ] | Oct 02 22:00 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 02 23:33 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-02/irans-cyber-warfare-head-assassinated | Oct 03 00:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Iran's Cyber Warfare Commander Assassinated | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/ftgij ] | Oct 03 00:21 |
| Sosumi | courtesy of prince Bandar Bin Sultan and the five dancing israelis | Oct 03 00:22 |
| JimmyCarter | i dont remember if i cried when i read about our raided site. but something touched me deep inside, the day the silk road died. =( | Oct 03 00:22 |
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| DaemonFC | Those credit card reward programs have been scaled back quite a bit. | Oct 03 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | My bank called me and told me that they were going to downgrade my card to one with no rewards program, so I called them and told them that if they wanted to do that, they could cancel my account. So they ended up moving me to a card with a better rewards program. | Oct 03 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | They know that people get junk mail all the time and probably wouldn't even have read that. | Oct 03 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | Then they won't notice that their annual rebate check stopped coming in the mail. | Oct 03 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | It only happens once a year so it's probably easy to miss. | Oct 03 03:24 |
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| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3132761 | Oct 03 07:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 03 07:14 |
| roy_1 | "Well, I'm from Brazil and live in Brazil. Unfortunately I can assure you it is true. Sad, but true. =(" | Oct 03 07:14 |
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| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131105 | Oct 03 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://hothardware.com/News/EU-Votes-to-Make-All-Smartphone-Vendors-Utilize-a-Standard-Charger/ | Oct 03 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/ft8t4 ] | Oct 03 08:34 |
| roy_1 | "|Nokia is no more, hail to Jolla :D|" | Oct 03 08:34 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385649991450378240 | Oct 03 08:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Red Hat leads way to certify OpenStack pros http://t.co/TxoXC88VeP #redhat the #gnu #linux backer wants them to use RHEL | Oct 03 08:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.zdnet.com | Red Hat leads way to certify OpenStack pros | ZDNet | Oct 03 08:35 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385669933155495936 | Oct 03 08:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Nutritional promises http://t.co/m3I107MS8c | Oct 03 08:41 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385671484133609472 | Oct 03 08:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Edward Snowden’s E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show http://t.co/C0yZMaPjKv #fbi #email | Oct 03 08:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.com | Edward Snowden's E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show | Threat Level | Wired.com | Oct 03 08:45 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385673795530686464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385674217066610688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385674598567919616 | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics Project http://t.co/HJFwYmdJsP #nvidia #linux #JeromeGlisse | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics Project | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Klaus Knopper Interview http://t.co/AYEIcgSrmi #knopper #knoppix #gnu #linux | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.everydaylinuxuser.com | The Klaus Knopper Interview ~ Everyday Linux User | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debian Project News - September 30th, 2013 http://t.co/FQHI58x9AO #debian #gnu #linux | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.debian.org | Debian Project News - September 30th, 2013 | Oct 03 09:02 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675041004089344 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675466990190592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675721466982401 | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SolydX 201309 Review: Simple, effective and efficient, as good as Linux Mint! http://t.co/JyesS193gG http://t.co/HZmPbt7v4t #debian spin | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk | Linuxed - Exploring Linux distros: SolydX 201309 Review: Simple, effective and efficient, as good as Linux Mint! | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk | Linuxed - Exploring Linux distros: SolydK 201309 Review: Rock-solid Debian spin offering KDE 4.11.1 | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Tales from Linux Kernel 3.11 Development – The Kernel Column http://t.co/x6pslt6Ygc #linux #kernel | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linuxuser.co.uk | Tales from Linux Kernel 3.11 Development – The Kernel Column | Linux User | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Open source snapshot: GhostBSD http://t.co/hNhxQg3zma #ghostbsd #unix #bsd | Oct 03 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techworld.com.au | Open source snapshot: GhostBSD - open source, FreeBSD - GNOME - Open Source - Techworld | Oct 03 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-20-Alpha-MATE-Compiz-Screenshot-Tour-387078.shtml | Oct 03 09:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Fedora 20 Alpha MATE/Compiz Screenshot Tour [ http://ur1.ca/ftl9j ] | Oct 03 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | Heisenbug? | Oct 03 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | I guess that was inspired by Breaking Bad? | Oct 03 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | "A man opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me!?" | Oct 03 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | "I am the man who knocks!" | Oct 03 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 03 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/10-baddest-the-bathtub | Oct 03 09:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amctv.com | Breaking Bad - The Bathtub: 10 Baddest – AMC [ http://ur1.ca/ftlbg ] | Oct 03 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFbOAIWjJM | Oct 03 09:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | breaking bad acid scene - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ftlc9 ] | Oct 03 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | oh damn it | Oct 03 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | Why do people on Youtube have to add that stupid song to everything? | Oct 03 09:12 |
| iophk | zero-day is just a marketing term : http://www.eweek.com/security/microsoft-ie-zero-day-flaw-exposure-widens.html | Oct 03 09:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eweek.com | Microsoft IE Zero-Day Flaw Exposure Widens [ http://ur1.ca/ftlib ] | Oct 03 09:30 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/lavabit-defied-order-for-snowdens-login-info-then-govt-asked-for-sites-ssl-key/ | Oct 03 09:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Lavabit got order for Snowden’s login info, then gov’t demanded site’s SSL key | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ftljk ] | Oct 03 09:34 |
| iophk | no mention of the real weak point being Windows, even not counting the intentional back doors, it is the weak spot in both security and maintenance : http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/security/3471745/former-nsa-cio-slams-fortune-100-companies-security/ | Oct 03 09:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworlduk.com | Former NSA CIO slams Fortune 100 companies' security - ComputerworldUK.com [ http://ur1.ca/ftll3 ] | Oct 03 09:39 |
| prurigro | iophk: how is zero day a marketing term? | Oct 03 09:47 |
| iophk | the flaw has always been there and many people know about it | Oct 03 09:48 |
| prurigro | oh, you mean in this case | Oct 03 09:49 |
| iophk | the marketers like to pretend it is a surprise | Oct 03 09:49 |
| prurigro | zero day doesn't mean new though | Oct 03 09:49 |
| prurigro | it means no exploit has been built for it | Oct 03 09:49 |
| iophk | they like to pretend it is new, also there are often exploits for it, as we learn after the fact | Oct 03 09:49 |
| prurigro | or rather, nothing has been built to exploit it, or however that should be worded :) | Oct 03 09:49 |
| iophk | usually | Oct 03 09:49 |
| prurigro | and word, well, no known exploits | Oct 03 09:49 |
| iophk | or rather, nothing the vendor is willing to admit to | Oct 03 09:49 |
| prurigro | if someone's come up with one that isn't in the wild yet, that's the risk you take using something with an unpatched zero day | Oct 03 09:50 |
| iophk | there have been many instances of vendors (especially one in particular) pretending that exploits are not available and not in use when they really have been | Oct 03 09:50 |
| prurigro | are you special enough for someone to out their exploit? can the exploit be used en masse all at once? | Oct 03 09:50 |
| prurigro | word, I'd argue its more likely that noone knows yet, publically, so obviously the best angle for PR is to assume exploits don't exist and haven't been used | Oct 03 09:51 |
| prurigro | though I've definitely heard of companies covering up having had their own servers attacked due to exploits to keep their users feeling safe | Oct 03 09:52 |
| iophk | yes, the PR goes from the lie that exploits don't exist and haven't been used, when all that really means is that there is none that the vendor is currently willing to face | Oct 03 09:52 |
| iophk | publicly | Oct 03 09:52 |
| prurigro | who knows how much stuff like that spreads behind doors | Oct 03 09:52 |
| iophk | behind doors at the vendor, and behind "doors" in the black hat communities | Oct 03 09:53 |
| prurigro | the good thing about open source is that people are more concerned with getting things fixed than PR | Oct 03 09:53 |
| iophk | yes, that is a strong advantage | Oct 03 09:53 |
| prurigro | black hat communities are often more trade/payment based in respect to exploits; otherwise people sit on them without discussing their existence | Oct 03 09:53 |
| iophk | M$ has been manipulating the stats for years, a decade maybe, to hid the slow incompetent responses | Oct 03 09:54 |
| prurigro | most corporations that hide behind closed doors do this, I wouldn't single M$ out-- many are guilty, and its a good reason to use foss stuff in general | Oct 03 09:54 |
| iophk | I would expect that the really good exploits are held closely guarded and not used when less valuable ones can be used instead | Oct 03 09:54 |
| prurigro | not even to mention purposefully inserted backdoors and such | Oct 03 09:54 |
| iophk | yes many vendors, M$ may be worst, but others are bad too. | Oct 03 09:55 |
| prurigro | why do you say M$ is the worst? | Oct 03 09:55 |
| iophk | historically they have been | Oct 03 09:55 |
| iophk | or would it be Cisco now? | Oct 03 09:55 |
| prurigro | I mean, this is a situation where we know many companies have done this, but don't know how often or how much any company has | Oct 03 09:55 |
| prurigro | Adobe: flash? | Oct 03 09:56 |
| iophk | LOL | Oct 03 09:56 |
| iophk | I forgot Flash. | Oct 03 09:56 |
| iophk | and Adobe | Oct 03 09:56 |
| iophk | they might be worst of all | Oct 03 09:56 |
| prurigro | <3 | Oct 03 09:56 |
| iophk | I am surprised that Flash has not been actively purged from the net. | Oct 03 09:57 |
| iophk | Yet people still use it and act as if nothing is wrong with it. | Oct 03 09:57 |
| iophk | Even stupider people base public services on it. | Oct 03 09:57 |
| prurigro | we need to wait for everyone to rewrite everything | Oct 03 09:57 |
| prurigro | in html5 | Oct 03 09:57 |
| prurigro | flash has already been declared dead by adobe iirc | Oct 03 09:57 |
| iophk | The decision to use Flash instead of video is only made by jackasses, but then there is no shortage of those. | Oct 03 09:58 |
| prurigro | kinda like netflix and silverlight | Oct 03 09:58 |
| iophk | That's another decision that makes no sense. | Oct 03 09:58 |
| prurigro | well I mean, some guy wants a website with videos and knows enough to look for some package he can drop on his site or something | Oct 03 09:58 |
| prurigro | finds a flash based video player and it seems to work, so he goes with it | Oct 03 09:58 |
| prurigro | not everyone's paying attention to all the politics and changes | Oct 03 09:59 |
| prurigro | and word, netflix using silverlight does make sense because silverlight has good drm | Oct 03 09:59 |
| iophk | If one wanted to attribute sinister motives to the whole thing, there are groups with an interest in getting backdoors on users' machines. Flash does that nicely, gives control of the mike and the camera, too. | Oct 03 09:59 |
| prurigro | they really just need to write their own browser plugin until html5 gets its drm extension though imo | Oct 03 09:59 |
| prurigro | word, yeah, I definitely don't run flash on my compy | Oct 03 10:00 |
| iophk | drm in HTML5 is not set yet, that may be a 3rd party add on | Oct 03 10:00 |
| prurigro | on that note, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/?src=api is fantastic :) | Oct 03 10:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | addons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/ftltb ] | Oct 03 10:00 |
| prurigro | I thought the w3 decided for sure that it was in, but as a separate spec? | Oct 03 10:00 |
| iophk | Youtube does not have a large percentage of HTML5 videos yet. many are still in Flash | Oct 03 10:00 |
| prurigro | did you see the plugin I just pasted? | Oct 03 10:01 |
| prurigro | converts flash videos to their html5 counterpart and then loads them in the youtube html5 video player :) | Oct 03 10:01 |
| iophk | Interesting. Thanks. | Oct 03 10:01 |
| prurigro | well, all of that simultaneously | Oct 03 10:01 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 03 10:02 |
| prurigro | reason youtube keeps some in flash btw, is because their ads only work with flash | Oct 03 10:02 |
| prurigro | MinceR: ahohohoy | Oct 03 10:02 |
| MinceR | j0h0h0 | Oct 03 10:02 |
| prurigro | and a bottle of rum | Oct 03 10:02 |
| gulag2013 | I was playing with Minitube for Ubuntu, that seems to work fine without the use of flash. Is it me are do videos appear to load faster without flash? | Oct 03 10:03 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 03 10:04 |
| prurigro | there might be hardware decoder for non-flash versions? | Oct 03 10:04 |
| prurigro | whichever format the browser you're talking about is using | Oct 03 10:04 |
| gulag2013 | Ya, not sure I know that the XBMC addon for youtube works fine too. | Oct 03 10:05 |
| prurigro | including videos that are normally using flash? | Oct 03 10:05 |
| prurigro | youtube-dl works nicely too on a side note | Oct 03 10:05 |
| prurigro | if you have a little disk space | Oct 03 10:05 |
| gulag2013 | Oh yes, that is if you just want to download them and watch later right? | Oct 03 10:06 |
| prurigro | or right now then delete them, in whatever format | Oct 03 10:06 |
| prurigro | even if its strictly flv, mplayer and vlc both play that nicely | Oct 03 10:06 |
| prurigro | no flash required | Oct 03 10:06 |
| prurigro | you could even download to /tmp (assuming its a ramdisk) if you didn't want any additional writes, thinking about it | Oct 03 10:07 |
| gulag2013 | Cool thanks, I haven't tried to stream them. I was learning how to set the formats. | Oct 03 10:07 |
| prurigro | (thinking SSDs here) | Oct 03 10:07 |
| prurigro | you mean with youtube-dl? | Oct 03 10:08 |
| prurigro | in my bashrc I have: alias yt-dl='youtube-dl -t --max-quality mp4' | Oct 03 10:08 |
| gulag2013 | Yes, I know the defaults were high quality | Oct 03 10:08 |
| prurigro | saves with the title, uses the max quality and prefers mp4 (which most devices have a hardware decoder for) | Oct 03 10:08 |
| prurigro | is high quality the default? | Oct 03 10:08 |
| gulag2013 | I believe so, the files were large. | Oct 03 10:09 |
| prurigro | word, there was a time when it wasn't, but maybe that's changed | Oct 03 10:09 |
| prurigro | the lowest quality on that note is sometimes hilariously small | Oct 03 10:09 |
| prurigro | I was 'borriwing' wifi once and didn't want to suck up too much bandwidth, so I dl'd minimum quality and the resulting video was barely the size of 12pt font | Oct 03 10:10 |
| gulag2013 | Oh, well we are all on the same path. I have tried everything from gnash to a viewtube greasemonkey plugin. Sill have flash on my machine. For now anyway. | Oct 03 10:11 |
| prurigro | did you see that plugin I pasted? | Oct 03 10:11 |
| prurigro | assuming you use firefox (which you should) | Oct 03 10:12 |
| gulag2013 | Was that the HTML5 one? | Oct 03 10:12 |
| prurigro | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/ | Oct 03 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | addons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ] | Oct 03 10:12 |
| gulag2013 | I did install it, Thanks just haven't found were it is on my firefox | Oct 03 10:12 |
| prurigro | oh, like, you disable/uninstall flashplugin | Oct 03 10:12 |
| prurigro | and magically any youtube videos that weren't html5 before will be converted on the fly | Oct 03 10:12 |
| prurigro | (disable the popup complaining you don't have flashplayer) | Oct 03 10:13 |
| gulag2013 | Ya, I'm used to seeing that popup, ha ha | Oct 03 10:13 |
| prurigro | I thought you had flashplugin? :) | Oct 03 10:13 |
| gulag2013 | I do, I was speaking from my past attempts trying other plugins | Oct 03 10:14 |
| prurigro | ahh, touche haha | Oct 03 10:14 |
| prurigro | well, this one works for now | Oct 03 10:14 |
| gulag2013 | Nagging you to install the flash spyware | Oct 03 10:14 |
| prurigro | lol | Oct 03 10:14 |
| prurigro | firefox is supposed to sandbox flash right? | Oct 03 10:14 |
| gulag2013 | can we use your camera and mic, and then change those settings everyday back to default | Oct 03 10:15 |
| prurigro | lol, hopefully it doesn't know how to enable your camera without turning the light on too :) | Oct 03 10:16 |
| gulag2013 | I'm a little crazy and leave the built in cam covered. I have trust issues. | Oct 03 10:18 |
| prurigro | lol | Oct 03 10:18 |
| prurigro | if you're using a fully foss OS and software, you should probably be ok; probably :) | Oct 03 10:19 |
| gulag2013 | In windows it was fairly easy to disable in device manager, not sure what I'm doing in Ubuntu yet. | Oct 03 10:19 |
| prurigro | oh hrm, ubuntu might not be the best distro if you have trust issues haha | Oct 03 10:19 |
| gulag2013 | Really, well it's better you tell me now. | Oct 03 10:20 |
| prurigro | re:windows, I definitely wouldn't trust anything I've done to be the case if anyone they're friends with don't want it to be anymore | Oct 03 10:20 |
| prurigro | ubuntu, by default, sends the stuff you type in searches for programs and files to ubuntu, who then forwards them to amazon | Oct 03 10:21 |
| prurigro | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do | Oct 03 10:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.fsf.org | Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/bw4j6 ] | Oct 03 10:21 |
| prurigro | you can disable it, but when it comes to open source, I feel like using a particular project is akin to voting with your wallet for capitalism | Oct 03 10:22 |
| gulag2013 | That started in 12.10. What are the odds that is happening in 12.04. I don't use the Dash much, but I appreciate the warning. | Oct 03 10:22 |
| prurigro | ahh, you're still on an older one eh? odds are lower, though ubuntu is still a poor example of a free OS in a number of ways | Oct 03 10:22 |
| prurigro | fedora on the other hand, is particularly shining | Oct 03 10:23 |
| prurigro | if you want something that's still user friendly | Oct 03 10:23 |
| gulag2013 | I do have my privacy settings set. Yes you are right, Fedora is clean? | Oct 03 10:23 |
| prurigro | it's really secure by default too-- firewall, selinux etc | Oct 03 10:23 |
| gulag2013 | Is that what Selinux is based from Fedora? | Oct 03 10:23 |
| prurigro | it's clean, 100% foss by default (you'll want to add a repo if you want binary graphics drivers and the like), and has some pretty secure defaults while staying user friendly | Oct 03 10:23 |
| prurigro | selinux is actually developed by the NSA, but its 100% foss and has been reviewed many many times-- the NSA also uses it interally | Oct 03 10:24 |
| gulag2013 | The use Yum? What are the packages, what do you use at the moment? | Oct 03 10:24 |
| prurigro | rpm are the packages, and fedora is the free distro by redhat, one of the biggest companies in linux, and most responsible in terms of respecting and contributing to foss/linux | Oct 03 10:25 |
| prurigro | I use archlinux, which is an amazing distro in a number of ways, but not necessarily something one should start on as its more complex (and its benifits are more for those who like to hack around) | Oct 03 10:25 |
| gulag2013 | I'm going to have to check it out, I really haven't spent much time with Fedora, I tried Suse. | Oct 03 10:26 |
| gulag2013 | Arch is way over my league | Oct 03 10:26 |
| prurigro | suse, at least when I was looking at it in the late 90s and early 2000s was pretty heavily based on redhat (now fedora) | Oct 03 10:26 |
| prurigro | when you're looking at fedora, you download an installer for a particular desktop, so you might want to look at the ones available and decide in the mean time | Oct 03 10:27 |
| prurigro | youtube videos and the desktops' respective websites and such | Oct 03 10:27 |
| gulag2013 | Are you saying they are different sizes. I looked at a Debain download that was over 4 gigs. | Oct 03 10:28 |
| prurigro | kde and gnome are the heavier more complete desktops, and xfce is still pretty user friendly while being lighter on the resources (though more like windows xp than windows 8) | Oct 03 10:28 |
| prurigro | they're different sizes too, though if you have a modern computer I'd decide based more on the type of environment you picture yourself using | Oct 03 10:29 |
| prurigro | KDE: http://kde.org/workspaces/plasmadesktop/ GNOME: http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ and XFCE: http://www.xfce.org/about/screenshots | Oct 03 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | kde.org | KDE - Plasma Desktop | Oct 03 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnome.org | GNOME 3 | GNOME | Oct 03 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.xfce.org | Screenshots - Xfce | Oct 03 10:30 |
| prurigro | (look at the 4.10 ones for xfce) | Oct 03 10:30 |
| gulag2013 | Okay, I will have to research that, but I would like to get familiar with some Redhat based distros. KDE had way to many options for me. | Oct 03 10:31 |
| prurigro | http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops <- different desktops | Oct 03 10:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fedoraproject.org | Fedora Project - Get Fedora: Desktops, Other Formats, Spins, Cloud Images or Secondary Arches. [ http://ur1.ca/821f4 ] | Oct 03 10:31 |
| prurigro | haha, yeah, I personally like gnome 3 the most | Oct 03 10:31 |
| iophk | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/10/richard-stallman-on-the-painful-birth-of-gnu/ | Oct 03 10:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU - Open Enterprise [ http://ur1.ca/ftd8k ] | Oct 03 10:32 |
| prurigro | the configuration exposed by default is really simple and makes up the core of what you'd likely really want to tweak, but its also almost infinitely extendable (has a regedit type settings system + https://extensions.gnome.org/) | Oct 03 10:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | extensions.gnome.org | GNOME Shell Extensions | Oct 03 10:32 |
| gulag2013 | I was just going to say, I may go with gnome | Oct 03 10:32 |
| prurigro | word, well then :) | Oct 03 10:33 |
| prurigro | it was unpopular at first, so I'm always apprehensive about suggesting it, but I really like it so yeah haha | Oct 03 10:33 |
| prurigro | for someone who needs to go through every single config option, KDE is a mess :) | Oct 03 10:34 |
| prurigro | it also doesn't look nearly as good somehow | Oct 03 10:34 |
| gulag2013 | This is nice to have choices. Na, I was running Elementary a few weeks ago, I like minimalism | Oct 03 10:34 |
| prurigro | ahh, so you've played around with desktops a bit then eh? | Oct 03 10:35 |
| prurigro | what distros? | Oct 03 10:35 |
| prurigro | or all ubuntu? | Oct 03 10:35 |
| gulag2013 | A few mostly all Ubuntu, | Oct 03 10:35 |
| prurigro | word | Oct 03 10:35 |
| gulag2013 | Would you say Debian based distros? | Oct 03 10:36 |
| prurigro | for ubuntu? | Oct 03 10:36 |
| prurigro | or ubuntu derivatives? | Oct 03 10:36 |
| prurigro | I suppose ubuntu derivative somewhat implies debian based as well | Oct 03 10:37 |
| gulag2013 | Is mint considered a ubuntu derivative/ | Oct 03 10:37 |
| prurigro | last I checked they had one directly based off debian and on based off ubuntu | Oct 03 10:37 |
| prurigro | not sure if that's still the case though | Oct 03 10:37 |
| prurigro | ahh yeah, seems it is | Oct 03 10:37 |
| prurigro | linux mint debian would be the debian based one | Oct 03 10:38 |
| prurigro | directly | Oct 03 10:38 |
| gulag2013 | Okay, it does get a little confusing, with all the desktops. | Oct 03 10:39 |
| prurigro | good thing about fedora btw, is that it uses systemd for services and other backend stuff, which is becoming a standard many distros are moving to (meaning universal graphical config utils too) as well as a much more solid way to manage things, and it also uses packagekit for its package management guis | Oct 03 10:39 |
| prurigro | which plug into pretty much any distro's package manager | Oct 03 10:39 |
| prurigro | so you're learning one distro, but you'll be able to switch to quite a few others with the same skills you pick up | Oct 03 10:40 |
| prurigro | instad of only other debian based ditros | Oct 03 10:40 |
| gulag2013 | Thanks, I'm still learning the file structure etc.. I was concerned about learning only one flavor of linux | Oct 03 10:42 |
| prurigro | the file structur is very similar across the board | Oct 03 10:43 |
| prurigro | programs are split into a few key areas of /usr, system config is in /etc, personal files and user config goes into respective home directories in /home etc | Oct 03 10:44 |
| iophk | gulag2013: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb/fhs | Oct 03 10:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.linuxfoundation.org | FHS | The Linux Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/ftm6l ] | Oct 03 10:45 |
| iophk | Not as good as the old site. try "man hier" in the terminal, that gives about the same overview. | Oct 03 10:46 |
| prurigro | services used to (and still are by debian and a few others) be done using scripts that could be run to start/stop them and temporary files with an ID number for a process stored somewhere to keep track, but systemd has created a framework that keeps track of everything, so services that die can alert you or restart automatically and logs can be loaded | Oct 03 10:46 |
| gulag2013 | iophk, Thank you for that, I'm very overwhelmed, but I don't want to give up. | Oct 03 10:46 |
| prurigro | debian wants to avoid systemd because its not compatible with BSD, and gentoo developed its own similar but different systemd-like setup | Oct 03 10:46 |
| gulag2013 | Wait a second, BSD is Unix isn't it? | Oct 03 10:47 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: if you want to actually learn the basics in a much more simple setup like those of us who started back in the day were lucky enough to have been able to do | Oct 03 10:47 |
| prurigro | you should get http://ttylinux.net/ and load it into a VM | Oct 03 10:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ttylinux.net | ttylinux homepage | Oct 03 10:48 |
| prurigro | BSD is unix, yes | Oct 03 10:48 |
| iophk | The LinuxFoundation has some serious usability issues with their FHS part of the site. | Oct 03 10:49 |
| gulag2013 | That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSD | Oct 03 10:49 |
| iophk | Here is the latest standard: | Oct 03 10:49 |
| iophk | http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_2.3/ | Oct 03 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | refspecs.linuxfoundation.org | FHS 2.3 Specifications [ http://ur1.ca/ftm82 ] | Oct 03 10:49 |
| iophk | Most of the distros try to follow that, even if they end up deviating in practice. | Oct 03 10:49 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: BSD is a bit of an underdog and carries a rather different philosophy on open source than linux, so sometimes you'll find users making a lot of noise about it since linux is typically the default choice new users move towards | Oct 03 10:50 |
| gulag2013 | You said you were lucky with learning, what did you mean by that. I know I would benefit from some hands on real world stuff. | Oct 03 10:52 |
| prurigro | like, back in the day there was less to linux than there is today, or at least it feels that way-- and there was also less built ontop to make things easier, which meant all the user friendly guides floating around were structured to configuring /etc/fstab and stuff like that | Oct 03 10:54 |
| gulag2013 | Anyway, I appreciate being pointed in a few directions. Oh so it wasn't as compartmentalized as it is today? | Oct 03 10:55 |
| prurigro | ttylinux is a very very minimal distro (no graphics, almost the minimum set of packages required for a system to run etc), which is why its a good distro to show you the key aspects of a working system (vs the extra stuff) | Oct 03 10:55 |
| gulag2013 | That is what I need to be doing, and with nautilus I'm not forcing myself to learn that. | Oct 03 10:56 |
| prurigro | its always been compartmentalized, being opensource and such-- there are just more layers now | Oct 03 10:56 |
| prurigro | I used to have a sheet of paper with terminal commands and what they do written on them sitting beside the computers | Oct 03 10:57 |
| prurigro | computer*, and I'd add to it each time I looked something up | Oct 03 10:57 |
| prurigro | eventually they just sank in | Oct 03 10:57 |
| roy_1 | [10:49] <gulag2013> That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSD | Oct 03 10:57 |
| roy_1 | Juniper is occupied by Microsoft | Oct 03 10:57 |
| roy_1 | it also FUDs Android | Oct 03 10:57 |
| prurigro | Android has FUD? I thought the facts were pretty creepy already lol | Oct 03 10:58 |
| gulag2013 | What is that? Jupiter has been compromised by Ms? | Oct 03 10:58 |
| iophk | HP; Juniper and Cisco are all M$ now. Are there any networking companies not M$ now? | Oct 03 10:58 |
| iophk | gulag2013: Juniper: http://rcpmag.com/articles/2011/11/01/the-executive-march-from-microsoft-to-juniper-networks.aspx | Oct 03 10:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rcpmag.com | 12 Microsoft Execs Who Made the March to Juniper Networks -- Redmond Channel Partner [ http://ur1.ca/ftmbo ] | Oct 03 10:59 |
| iophk | Like roaches, where there is one, there are many. | Oct 03 10:59 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, no i think we are talking two different things. :"The Linux Action show | Oct 03 10:59 |
| prurigro | lol | Oct 03 10:59 |
| gulag2013 | Jupiter broadcasting Network. | Oct 03 10:59 |
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| roy_1 | Linux Action Show is quite FOSS-hostile at times | Oct 03 11:01 |
| roy_1 | But with Bryan out there's hope for improvement | Oct 03 11:01 |
| prurigro | in what way? | Oct 03 11:01 |
| roy_1 | Matt Hartley is not that bad | Oct 03 11:01 |
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| gulag2013 | Bryan was an arrogant something | Oct 03 11:01 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: just watch what they say about RMS, FSF, GPL, etc. | Oct 03 11:01 |
| roy_1 | !google linux action show techrights | Oct 03 11:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Is Jupiter Broadcasting's Linux Action Show Anti-GNU ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/05/05/linux-sucks-fud/ | Oct 03 11:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Links 16/8/2013: Tropico 5 for GNU/Linux, KDE 4.11 ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/08/16/kde-4-11-released/ | Oct 03 11:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - TechBytes Episode 86: Debian GNU/Linux and Firmware | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/24/techbytes-episode-86/ | Oct 03 11:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Novell/SUSE is Microsoft in Linux | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/06/microsoft-in-linux/ | Oct 03 11:01 |
| prurigro | roy_1: haha, well I mean, it sounds like they like their BSD license according to gulag2013, so I'd say that's pretty par for course | Oct 03 11:02 |
| prurigro | the fsf and rms are far from perfect, too | Oct 03 11:02 |
| JimmyCarter | im depressed they busted DPR, i thought that guy was like John Hancock. | Oct 03 11:02 |
| JimmyCarter | making me realize what i moral outrage i think drug prohibition is | Oct 03 11:03 |
| JimmyCarter | _so many_ persecuted. (for pursuit of happiness, heh) | Oct 03 11:03 |
| prurigro | and the gpl has arguments against it; whether you agree with those arguments or not is a matter of personal philosophy though of course | Oct 03 11:03 |
| prurigro | JimmyCarter: yeah :( I was watching the storycorps interview with him and his friend earlier tonight and he seemed like such a friendly, intelligent, creative guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh68DDUYVPM&html5=1 | Oct 03 11:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | StoryCorps Interview with Rene Pinnell and Ross Ulbricht (DreadPirateRoberts of Silk Road) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ftmda ] | Oct 03 11:04 |
| prurigro | more like persuit of avoiding hard questions and maintaining obedience (depending on which drug you're talking about) | Oct 03 11:05 |
| JimmyCarter | "happiness" | Oct 03 11:06 |
| JimmyCarter | heh | Oct 03 11:06 |
| prurigro | at the end of the storycorps interview, he talks about where he'd like to be in 5 years and 20 years, and his answers were respectively having a family and changing the world for the better in some way | Oct 03 11:09 |
| prurigro | made me sad :( | Oct 03 11:09 |
| JimmyCarter | seems political groups subject to inversionary forces (like repbulicans being liberal and democrats conservative, and over history switching). now christians are the anti-christ. and government is anti-government. | Oct 03 11:11 |
| prurigro | I feel like whoever is in charge likes the elimination of privacy because they have control over the information gleaned from said scenario | Oct 03 11:12 |
| prurigro | and whoever's no in charge is horrified by the "other party" having access to this information, so they're against the elimination of privacy | Oct 03 11:13 |
| prurigro | not* | Oct 03 11:13 |
| JimmyCarter | or government is anti-people. | Oct 03 11:13 |
| prurigro | hence inversionary when the party in power flips | Oct 03 11:13 |
| JimmyCarter | for gods sake could we simply stop persecuting each other and maybe even pay the bills | Oct 03 11:13 |
| prurigro | government in the US has grown unchecked to a point where it seems like many decisions are about self preservation (in the form its in) rather than for the people | Oct 03 11:14 |
| prurigro | government itself isn't inherently either | Oct 03 11:14 |
| prurigro | and it can be good | Oct 03 11:14 |
| prurigro | I'm glad I down live down there either way | Oct 03 11:14 |
| JimmyCarter | maybe after US defaults on debt for first time something will change | Oct 03 11:25 |
| JimmyCarter | people and the market will care more about electing reasonable people | Oct 03 11:25 |
| prurigro | I don't see good things happening if the US defaults on debt and the gov't collapses | Oct 03 11:26 |
| JimmyCarter | i dont knwo exact details but think they can default "a little" | Oct 03 11:27 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385706508618858496 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707000845565952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707380669157376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707934652825601 | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #NSA must really love #Microsoft right now http://t.co/Z2NbqyTw4d http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0 | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eweek.com | Microsoft IE Zero-Day Flaw Exposure Widens | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #nsa thinks that companies are easy to infiltrate (i.e. crack). It would know; that's what the NSA does. http://t.co/uetInDI7xs | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.computerworlduk.com | Former NSA CIO slams Fortune 100 companies' security - ComputerworldUK.com | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU http://t.co/4JZEidzq22 #gnu #fsf #history | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU - Open Enterprise | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "I still use Linux on my main PC because I enjoy the flexibility and power it offers." http://t.co/JPJCa9QeQz #gnu #linux | Oct 03 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> manilastandardtoday.com | A Mac for a Linux user - Manila Standard Today | Oct 03 11:27 |
| JimmyCarter | only the bonds coming due each day until agreement reached | Oct 03 11:27 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385708928082149376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385709592686387200 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385709957737644032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385710415277457408 | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reviews: First look at Tiny Core Linux 5.0 http://t.co/MrxQvq8EgN "this is not a "turnkey" distribution for general purpose use." | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New Firefox 25 Beta Launched on All Available Platforms http://t.co/Z00eH2XFp2 strong brand, still? http://t.co/tFQcfLhRFR | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | New Firefox 25 Beta Launched on All Available Platforms | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.complex.com | No One Knows What the Firefox Logo is, and Last Night's Jeopardy! Proved It | Complex | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Nouveau Keeps Pushing Forward With Improvements http://t.co/5zMA01ymdc #linux #graphics | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Nouveau Keeps Pushing Forward With Improvements | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SUSE is a goner http://t.co/SJbIyAAj4g | Oct 03 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.internetnews.com | Red Hat Doesn't See SUSE Linux as a Major Competitive Threat - InternetNews. | Oct 03 11:28 |
| prurigro | shame they didn't shut down the NSA datacenter while the gov't was closed | Oct 03 11:28 |
| prurigro | that takes a couple million in power each day | Oct 03 11:28 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: what's with this shutdown meme? | Oct 03 11:29 |
| roy_1 | Some 4chan joke? | Oct 03 11:29 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385710723739189248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385711193190834176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385711635320811520 | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fedora Linux 20 Gears Up to Be a Big Data Server http://t.co/Pkc2xLa9fW better use CentOS. #fedora #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.serverwatch.com | Fedora Linux 20 Gears Up to Be a Big Data Server | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debian Edu / Skolelinux Wheezy — a complete Linux solution for your school http://t.co/viuYjU9ur2 #debian #education | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.debian.org | Debian -- News -- Debian Edu / Skolelinux Wheezy — a complete Linux solution for your school | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? http://t.co/xMR8bdHpOW #slackware #gnu #linux | Oct 03 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.makeuseof.com | Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? | Oct 03 11:29 |
| gulag2013 | Nasa.gov is still down. I don't follow what is going on with the United States Corporation anymore. | Oct 03 11:29 |
| JimmyCarter | yup... or shutdown the fbi targeting libertines | Oct 03 11:29 |
| JimmyCarter | i would like to see fbi and cia agents in jail, congress members in jail, lobbyists in jail, bankers in jail | Oct 03 11:31 |
| JimmyCarter | nsa agents in jail | Oct 03 11:31 |
| iophk | managers instead | Oct 03 11:31 |
| iophk | those are the decision makers | Oct 03 11:31 |
| prurigro | roy_1: shutdown meme? it literally shutdown (aside from manditory services) | Oct 03 11:32 |
| prurigro | of which somehow the NSA is one | Oct 03 11:32 |
| JimmyCarter | instead the feds are busy hunting hacker kids | Oct 03 11:33 |
| gulag2013 | and Raw milk | Oct 03 11:33 |
| JimmyCarter | heres a helpful guideline for decidign who you should prosecute | Oct 03 11:36 |
| JimmyCarter | 1. are they hurting anyone? 2 are they abusing special privilege? (ie looting public office to loot pension funds) | Oct 03 11:36 |
| gulag2013 | I started waking up a few years after 9/11. You don't want to wake up. Stay asleep. You can't have conversations with family and friends anymore. | Oct 03 11:37 |
| iophk | I'm not sure its a reliable source, but it is interesting : http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-hurting-the-entertainment-industry-121003/ | Oct 03 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isn’t Killing The Entertainment Industry, Scholars Show | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/ftmp8 ] | Oct 03 11:37 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: you think? I find it makes for good convo with some folks- others who aren't interested still have intersets you can talk about :) | Oct 03 11:39 |
| roy_1 | [11:32] <iophk> those are the decision makers | Oct 03 11:40 |
| roy_1 | Nurmberg trials | Oct 03 11:40 |
| iophk | both are | Oct 03 11:40 |
| iophk | I should clarify that the managers should be included even if they are not getting their hands dirty directly. | Oct 03 11:41 |
| gulag2013 | In a venue like this it's encouraged. I felt very alone with my views. | Oct 03 11:41 |
| roy_1 | same for organised religions | Oct 03 11:41 |
| prurigro | there should be oversight departments that keep others in check | Oct 03 11:41 |
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| roy_1 | Falwell ewt al. | Oct 03 11:41 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: do you live in the US? up here in Canada people are pretty reasonable | Oct 03 11:42 |
| roy_1 | Those who laugh like little devils while their peons abuse society | Oct 03 11:42 |
| gulag2013 | United States yes. | Oct 03 11:42 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: for now | Oct 03 11:42 |
| roy_1 | wait until the falwell's leave the bankrupt US and buy homes in Canada or China or Singapore etc. | Oct 03 11:42 |
| roy_1 | China as in HK or Macau | Oct 03 11:43 |
| roy_1 | they wouldn't want their hands dirty in mainland china, only the globalist islands like seoul and japana | Oct 03 11:43 |
| roy_1 | *japan | Oct 03 11:43 |
| prurigro | roy_1: who are these falwells? | Oct 03 11:43 |
| roy_1 | *falwell | Oct 03 11:43 |
| roy_1 | or *falwells | Oct 03 11:43 |
| roy_1 | I am tying while lying, so.. | Oct 03 11:44 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: or cheneys | Oct 03 11:44 |
| roy_1 | sociopaths who rally crowds or easily impressionable people | Oct 03 11:44 |
| roy_1 | rallying for wars, theft, etc. | Oct 03 11:44 |
| prurigro | oh hm, are there enough of them to influence an entire culture? | Oct 03 11:44 |
| prurigro | we got the equivalent of fox news up here (sun news) and absolutely noone watches it | Oct 03 11:45 |
| prurigro | people were worried at first that it would start eroding our brains | Oct 03 11:45 |
| roy_1 | using captailist orgs also, to motivate people to work for under-minimum-wage jobs (inc. military) and serve someone else's interests | Oct 03 11:45 |
| roy_1 | Ther corporate media grooms those 'leaders' | Oct 03 11:45 |
| roy_1 | Canada doesn't have many Trumps yet | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | But there are those French-like types who are getting there | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | in Quebec I think | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | and some magnates | Oct 03 11:46 |
| prurigro | we have a number of extremely rich, though yes, we're far more balanced re: middle class | Oct 03 11:46 |
| prurigro | we're also the most educated country in the world | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | In thre US, look at the richesy city | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | iot's ruled by one of those sociopaths | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | he cracked the vote | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | and now the thieves rule it | Oct 03 11:46 |
| roy_1 | Bloomberg and his mates in WS | Oct 03 11:47 |
| roy_1 | It's like Gotham city, but not renamed | Oct 03 11:47 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: Scandinavia probably well ahead of Canada | Oct 03 11:47 |
| prurigro | which? | Oct 03 11:47 |
| prurigro | ahead in which* | Oct 03 11:48 |
| roy_1 | Denmark | Oct 03 11:48 |
| roy_1 | Their academic output is impressive | Oct 03 11:48 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/10/03/portuguese-government-bye-bye-wintel/ | Oct 03 11:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Portuguese government: Bye-bye Wintel | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/ftmsv ] | Oct 03 11:48 |
| prurigro | roy_1: ahh, well, I guess it depends whether you trust Time http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/27/and-the-worlds-most-educated-country-is/ | Oct 03 11:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | newsfeed.time.com | And the World’s Most Educated Country Is… | TIME.com [ http://ur1.ca/ftmtf ] | Oct 03 11:50 |
| prurigro | (and other publications that printed the same story) | Oct 03 11:50 |
| gulag2013 | Wait a tick, United States is #4? I would have imagined it much lower. Good going Canadians! | Oct 03 11:52 |
| prurigro | gulag2013: hmm yeah, I guess we can thank community colleges down there eh? those are actually priced to allow people to pay off the debt eventually right? | Oct 03 11:54 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: depends how you measure it | Oct 03 11:54 |
| roy_1 | Time is PROPAGANDA | Oct 03 11:54 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, it's still way to expensive. | Oct 03 11:54 |
| roy_1 | as anyone with life experience knows | Oct 03 11:54 |
| roy_1 | Time is one of the worst | Oct 03 11:54 |
| roy_1 | US higher education is excellent | Oct 03 11:54 |
| prurigro | roy_1: its measured based on the % of the population with post secondary education | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | but | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | you have to count only the top schools | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | Europeans too would go there | Oct 03 11:55 |
| prurigro | US higher education is ridiculously expensive without a scholarship | Oct 03 11:55 |
| roy_1 | and no unis in the EU except few (Oxbridge for example) can compete with the redbrick US unis that attract students who are brightest in India, China, and become leaders in such nations | Oct 03 11:56 |
| prurigro | you can go to school, rent an apartment and eat for the year here for less than the US charges to go in the first place, and its still considered pretty pricey up here | Oct 03 11:56 |
| gulag2013 | You can't write off Student loan debt. | Oct 03 11:56 |
| roy_1 | The US would also rank high amond Western nations for stupidity | Oct 03 11:57 |
| roy_1 | lots of lower class there | Oct 03 11:57 |
| roy_1 | no middle | Oct 03 11:57 |
| roy_1 | literacy is high in the US because the lang is easy in relative terms and there's only one language | Oct 03 11:57 |
| prurigro | the lower class is likely at fault for not scoring better on that comparison | Oct 03 11:57 |
| prurigro | there's also manditory schooling for both sexes | Oct 03 11:58 |
| prurigro | that itself does a lot | Oct 03 11:58 |
| roy_1 | In countries that have many well ecucated people the working class comes from abroad | Oct 03 11:58 |
| roy_1 | Like in Singapore | Oct 03 11:58 |
| roy_1 | So that gives a better meaure of % that is well educated | Oct 03 11:58 |
| roy_1 | South Korea might be also, but also high on suicide rates | Oct 03 11:59 |
| prurigro | sorth korea has a different style of education- same with china | Oct 03 11:59 |
| prurigro | more acheivement based | Oct 03 11:59 |
| roy_1 | prurigro: only compared to non-Western nations, about 90% of the world | Oct 03 11:59 |
| gulag2013 | Sigh, what are the reasons for the suicides? | Oct 03 11:59 |
| prurigro | they're worked wayyy too hard | Oct 03 11:59 |
| prurigro | and their entire life revolves around school | Oct 03 12:00 |
| prurigro | imagine failing when the only thing measuring the value of your life as far as anyone you know is concerned is school | Oct 03 12:00 |
| prurigro | their social time with friends are often in the form of study groups, and they join clubs to allot time away from studying | Oct 03 12:01 |
| gulag2013 | That is awful. We are all trained from an early age competition. It sounds even worse SK | Oct 03 12:02 |
| prurigro | yeah, SK is one of the worst from what I've read | Oct 03 12:02 |
| prurigro | apparently university is really easy, in contrast, assuming they have the marks to get in | Oct 03 12:02 |
| prurigro | and sometimes this causes students to crash, not having constant work to do | Oct 03 12:03 |
| prurigro | maybe that's why so many people end up into serious gaming | Oct 03 12:03 |
| prurigro | high reward activity they can focus on when there's nothing else to do | Oct 03 12:03 |
| gulag2013 | So you are talking more about dopamine ? Is the gaming free will? | Oct 03 12:05 |
| prurigro | the dopamine system is very complex and is involved in all sorts of short term and delayed reward type behavious | Oct 03 12:06 |
| prurigro | there's also no such thing as free will | Oct 03 12:06 |
| gulag2013 | No free will for the Gamers, or in general? Can you clarify? | Oct 03 12:09 |
| prurigro | in general | Oct 03 12:09 |
| prurigro | how could there be free will? actions are either cause and effect, or they're random | Oct 03 12:10 |
| gulag2013 | Now you are making me think. :). I meant that I personally have choices and I'm not being forced to participate in an activity or face pain and injury. | Oct 03 12:12 |
| prurigro | you definitely have choices, but those choices are decided by a complex network of chain reactions occuring in your body and brain | Oct 03 12:12 |
| prurigro | if you hit rewind on time and stopped at yesterday, then hit play, everything would happen the exact same as it did the first time | Oct 03 12:14 |
| prurigro | all the same variables are in place and physics still work the same, so everything will play out just as it had previously | Oct 03 12:14 |
| prurigro | not that time exists as we understand it | Oct 03 12:15 |
| prurigro | but we're talking about our own experience of things so I think we can speak as though it did | Oct 03 12:15 |
| MinceR | that's one view of things | Oct 03 12:15 |
| prurigro | I'm open to counter arguments :) | Oct 03 12:16 |
| MinceR | for example, as far as i know, nuclear decay is still an unpredictable process | Oct 03 12:16 |
| prurigro | I mean, we're assuming reality exists as we're seemingly able to meausure it, for some of the more far reaching statements, but that said, I've yet to hear anyone describe a possible universe where free will could be true | Oct 03 12:16 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385718132427722752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385718553472958464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385719339464531968 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385721706062819328 | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Portuguese government set on increasing use of open source https://t.co/6Su3L7sF0r more jobs for FOSS experts there. #portugal | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> joinup.ec.europa.eu | Portuguese government set on increasing use of open source | Joinup | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "London School of Economics...urging the UK Government to look beyond the lobbying efforts of " MAFIAA http://t.co/Jh8APGIfnh | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isn’t Killing The Entertainment Industry, Scholars Show | TorrentFreak | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Rather than 'teach' people specific SW tools, train them Free SW repos. Rather than have them memorise menus, give them free apps lists. | Oct 03 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: BT thinks that E-mail addresses with just one character before the @ sign are not valid E-mail addresses. Are they hiring IT-savvy people? | Oct 03 12:17 |
| MinceR | it may be entirely deterministic or not | Oct 03 12:17 |
| prurigro | MinceR: free will requires randomness first of all | Oct 03 12:17 |
| MinceR | afaik there is randomness in certain processes | Oct 03 12:17 |
| MinceR | also, some determinists seem to define free will differently | Oct 03 12:17 |
| prurigro | but they've actually mapped previously random quantum physical processes to predictable system, recently | Oct 03 12:17 |
| MinceR | there also seems to be undecidedness in some processes | Oct 03 12:18 |
| MinceR | url? | Oct 03 12:18 |
| prurigro | getting... | Oct 03 12:18 |
| prurigro | https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/ | Oct 03 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.simonsfoundation.org | Physicists Discover Geometry Underlying Particle Physics | Simons Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/fmpls ] | Oct 03 12:19 |
| MinceR | i remember reading about this but i don't remember anything about it proving determinism | Oct 03 12:20 |
| prurigro | top comment here summarizes it nicely http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1mpdh1/physicists_have_discovered_a_jewellike_geometric/ | Oct 03 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.reddit.com | Physicists have discovered a jewel-like geometric object that dramatically simplifies calculations of particle interactions and challenges the notion that space and time are fundamental components of reality. : Futurology [ http://ur1.ca/ftn4v ] | Oct 03 12:20 |
| MinceR | i'll re-read | Oct 03 12:20 |
| prurigro | it doesn't prove determinism, but it explains what was previously seen as an example of randomness | Oct 03 12:20 |
| prurigro | future random behaviour could still be uncovered disproving determinsm, of course-- the door never closes because we can never be sure we know everything about everything :) | Oct 03 12:21 |
| MinceR | it was previously already known that the behavior of larger number of particles together is less weird to us and seems more deterministic | Oct 03 12:21 |
| prurigro | that said, determinsm or not, randomness is not free will anymore than determinism | Oct 03 12:21 |
| MinceR | i think that randomness by itself is sufficient for free will | Oct 03 12:22 |
| MinceR | (as in the two being indistinguishable for an outside observer) | Oct 03 12:22 |
| prurigro | randomness implies rewinding time won't necessarily end up back at this moment when you hit play again, it doesn't mean someone has the ability to rise above causality and make a truly free choice, just that one choice was selected or another | Oct 03 12:24 |
| MinceR | the whole point of randomness is that something doesn't entirely depend on causes | Oct 03 12:25 |
| prurigro | that said, this new model encompases the past, present 'and' future in modelling the outcome, so if the future is undecided, I wonder how this could be the case | Oct 03 12:25 |
| MinceR | you know that a nucleus is unstable and you still won't be able to predict when it will decay | Oct 03 12:25 |
| MinceR | well, certain physical processes were already independent on the arrow of time | Oct 03 12:25 |
| MinceR | s/t on/t of/ | Oct 03 12:26 |
| prurigro | you're argueing determinsm, which I think is probably the case but can't be 100% sure (and thereore I agree to an extent), but I'm talking free will, which implies something like deterministic choice making without the determinism, which I feel almost definitely doesn't exist (or at least the mechanism for a possible example of how this would work hasn't been described to me) | Oct 03 12:27 |
| prurigro | an inability to predict doesn't preclude random events | Oct 03 12:27 |
| MinceR | that does seem to be an impossible definition | Oct 03 12:27 |
| MinceR | but i wouldn't define free will that way | Oct 03 12:28 |
| prurigro | there are certainly more than one definition in philosophy | Oct 03 12:29 |
| prurigro | I suppose you'd be what this wiki article calls a "compatibilist" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will | Oct 03 12:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Free will - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 03 12:29 |
| MinceR | i'm actually unsure of physical determinism being true | Oct 03 12:30 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if i've thought about whether determinism would preclude free will :) | Oct 03 12:30 |
| prurigro | I feel like compatibilism renders the idea of free will to simply be a more in depth description of "decision" and "choice" though | Oct 03 12:31 |
| prurigro | and well, I mean, "free will as unpredictability" uses some bad foundations, but I don't think the ideas it poses are necessarily so different from your nuclear decay example | Oct 03 12:32 |
| prurigro | I agree with "Free will as a pragmatically useful concept" too, I mean, we can't operate as if we lack it, even if we in fact do | Oct 03 12:33 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if we can do anything with the concept of free will at this level anyway | Oct 03 12:34 |
| MinceR | we'll just do what we do and experience it as acting freely or not | Oct 03 12:34 |
| prurigro | yeah, which is basically what the pragmatism theory states | Oct 03 12:35 |
| MinceR | maybe if we somehow prove determinism or nondeterminism, we will be able to grasp the idea better | Oct 03 12:35 |
| prurigro | its more like how Decartes described solipsism; a useful mental excercise to understand where things stand, but not something you'd actively enable the use of in your life | Oct 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | they did say it was philosophy :> | Oct 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | that's true | Oct 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | and yet solipsism may be true | Oct 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | (it's just that fact (if it is) won't be practically useful) | Oct 03 12:36 |
| prurigro | it certainly is, if you want a logical definition of what we can know | Oct 03 12:36 |
| prurigro | yp | Oct 03 12:36 |
| prurigro | yup* | Oct 03 12:36 |
| prurigro | but it's good to know what we can know when looking at other things-- it's a good foundation for science, for example | Oct 03 12:37 |
| prurigro | something 'proven' is only proven based on the foundation of assumptions that were required for that proof | Oct 03 12:37 |
| MinceR | yes, but some (or all) of those assumptions might be empirical data | Oct 03 12:38 |
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| prurigro | yup, which are based on some pretty core assumptions that we've generally decided to assume as 'fact' | Oct 03 12:39 |
| prurigro | if it turns out reality is a simulation with some hilarious values plugged into the physics variables, we'll realize those assumptions aren't the case, and more likely if we find that elsewhere in the universe what we currently think of as static values turn out to be variables we can edit the model | Oct 03 12:40 |
| MinceR | they will be true about the contents of the simulation, at least for some time | Oct 03 12:41 |
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| prurigro | yup- and to be honest, either way, the values we're interacting with allow us to manipulate what we see as reality, so they're useful regardless of their universal truth | Oct 03 12:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 03 12:43 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtWxLACVXr8 | Oct 03 13:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bryan Cranston - Malcolm in the middle - I'm so full of bacon - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ftnov ] | Oct 03 13:24 |
| *DaemonFC wished that Fedora would package some decent GTK3 themes. | Oct 03 13:34 | |
| *DaemonFC wonders if anyone ported Nimbus or Nodoka... | Oct 03 13:34 | |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385739794938351616 | Oct 03 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Patent Reform Drafted, Addressing Wrong Matters, Unlikely to Resolve Litigation Epidemic http://t.co/WPzNCO4kkg #swpats #politics | Oct 03 13:46 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385744701154140160 | Oct 03 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Patent Reform Drafted, Addressing Wrong Matters, Unlikely to Resolve Litigation Epidemic | Techrights | Oct 03 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft’s Monopoly is Not Sustainable, Monopolist and Monopoly Abuser Bill Gates is Being Pushed Out http://t.co/dVLMKfrgpC | Oct 03 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Monopoly is Not Sustainable, Monopolist and Monopoly Abuser Bill Gates is Being Pushed Out | Techrights | Oct 03 13:46 |
| iophk | http://www.zdnet.com/ex-microsoft-privacy-advisor-i-dont-trust-microsoft-thanks-to-prism-7000021443/ | Oct 03 13:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy advisor: I don't trust Microsoft, thanks to PRISM | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ftnzn ] | Oct 03 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | The brakes on my car haven't been quite right ever since the shop "fixed" them. | Oct 03 14:05 |
| *DaemonFC should probably check his brake fluid level today. | Oct 03 14:05 | |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754090221096960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754458711654400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754834168983552 | Oct 03 14:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The balconies galore http://t.co/pgWlqZO7Cf | Oct 03 14:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Trans Pacific Partnership a euphemism for attack on partnerships of people across the Pacific https://t.co/KhuySj5iZk | Oct 03 14:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bieber http://t.co/iD4f7mXDKe | Oct 03 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to keep expenses down. | Oct 03 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably be saving back for a newer car for at least 8-12 months. | Oct 03 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still trying to get a feel for what I should buy. | Oct 03 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | $2,000 doesn't buy anything decent anymore. | Oct 03 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | I've never spent more than $2,000 for a car. | Oct 03 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | I was about to move in on a 1999 Mercury Sable LS last month. Someone had obviously kept it garaged. No rust, dents, dings, scratches. Only put 90,000 miles on it. | Oct 03 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | It was gone before I could even call about it. :P | Oct 03 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | Those deals don't spring up very often. When they do, they're almost always sold before you can even call about it. | Oct 03 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4101891839.html | Oct 03 14:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1998 Pontiac Bonneville 3800 series 2 [ http://ur1.ca/ftojb ] | Oct 03 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's questionable... | Oct 03 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | " no check engine light or any other light on since I put it together. I have a snap-on scanner if you want to check." | Oct 03 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | So there's the possibility that the Check Engine light was on, but he hooked up the scanner and cleared the code. | Oct 03 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously clearing the code doesn't fix the problem. The light will come back on at some point, but the Check Engine light will probably go away long enough to sell the car to someone. | Oct 03 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | When my 1995 Chevrolet Corsica was getting ready to throw a rod, I poured some lucas oil additive in and that made it quiet down long enough to sell it to Gonad The Barbarian's daughter. | Oct 03 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | He was fucking pissed at me when the car broke down on her two weeks later. | Oct 03 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | But I had already cashed the check she had written me. | Oct 03 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | She filed a lawsuit against me in small claims court, but I told the judge that the sale was "as-is". I even showed him the bill of sale that she had signed that said "This vehicle is being sold as-is with no warranty included or implied." | Oct 03 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | He ended up ruling in my favor. | Oct 03 15:01 |
| roy_1 | LMAO | Oct 03 15:01 |
| roy_1 | Gonad tghe | Oct 03 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | That was a nice little car while it lasted. | Oct 03 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | it got me around for a few years | Oct 03 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | The 3.1 liter V6 in a "compact car". | Oct 03 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't feel cramped. I'm 6' 4" and I was very comfortable in it. | Oct 03 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | GM had to discontinue them after 1996 because the federal government decided that they weren't safe enough. | Oct 03 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Well, isn't that really for the buyer to decide? | Oct 03 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | They let alot of very unsafe vehicles get sold every day. | Oct 03 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | That Jeep Liberty that my aunt drove rolled over eight times and killed her. | Oct 03 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | I would never drive something that rode that high above the ground. | Oct 03 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | The center of gravity makes it a rollover hazard. | Oct 03 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | I think they still make them though. | Oct 03 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | The one she drove was a 2007. That was the year that Jeep lowered them by like an inch because the government was concerned about the rollover problem. | Oct 03 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | So they obviously did not fix that by lowering it an inch. | Oct 03 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | The government allows car manufacturers to make and sell death traps all the time. | Oct 03 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | Now they're trying to convince people to go sub-compact because of gas prices. | Oct 03 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather pay a little bit more for gas and actually have some vehicle surrounding me if I get into an accident. | Oct 03 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are, because you can't control what other people are doing. | Oct 03 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | You go to Fort Wayne or Indianapolis and people drive like maniacs. | Oct 03 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | They'll change lanes without signaling with about two inches to spare. | Oct 03 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | People are fucking dumb. | Oct 03 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I really want a Crown Vic or something about that size. | Oct 03 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | The vehicle can be replaced. I'd rather that the vehicle gets destroyed saving my life. | Oct 03 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | I can always worry about the money later. | Oct 03 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | Walk away from the accident today and sue the crap out of their insurance company tomorrow. | Oct 03 15:11 |
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| DaemonFC | My bank is pissing me off. | Oct 03 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | I might switch banks today | Oct 03 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | Mom keeps telling me to join her credit union. That's not going to happen. | Oct 03 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | They'd charge me $72 a year just to have an account. | Oct 03 15:46 |
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| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/385785225915412480 https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/385785456258187264 | Oct 03 16:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @eee_eff: @schestowitz curious where this is... | Oct 03 16:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @eee_eff: @schestowitz curious where this was taken...? | Oct 03 16:43 |
| roy_1 | maybe computer-generated? | Oct 03 16:43 |
| iophk | (12.57.33) roy_1: [10:49] <gulag2013> That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSD | Oct 03 16:44 |
| iophk | http://www.bsdnow.tv/about | Oct 03 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bsdnow.tv | About | BSD Now | Oct 03 16:44 |
| iophk | Maybe he should move on from the Linux show. | Oct 03 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | roy_1, http://www.paulrichardgm.com/VehicleDetails/used-2002-LINCOLN-Town_Car-4dr_Sdn_Sig.-Peru-IN/2076281253 | Oct 03 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.paulrichardgm.com | 2002 LINCOLN Town Car for sale in Peru - 1LNHM82W92Y650064 - Paul-Richard GM Center [ http://ur1.ca/ftplz ] | Oct 03 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | What do you think? | Oct 03 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | Should I buy it? B-) | Oct 03 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | My mom would shit if I pulled up in a Lincoln Town Car. | Oct 03 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | It's got 128,000 miles on it, but I've seen lots of cars with that engine up over 250,000. | Oct 03 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | Those big V8s are pretty resilient. | Oct 03 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | Plus it's rare to find a Town Car/Crown Vic/Grand Marquis that was abused. | Oct 03 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | They don't generally appeal to young people. | Oct 03 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | People that drive these things are usually in their 70s or older. | Oct 03 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I'll go look at that Town Car if they still have it on their lot on Saturday. | Oct 03 17:08 |
| roy_1 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385803568105943041 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385799703587454976 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385795381986336768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385792080532213760 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385791986722418688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385775422778392576 | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Oldest Actively-maintained Distribution of GNU/Linux, Slackware 14.1, is Coming Soon http://t.co/hweh3Ahbkt #slackware #gnu #linux | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Oldest Actively-maintained Distribution of GNU/Linux, Slackware 14.1, is Coming Soon | Techrights | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: ‘Microsoft Linux’ (aka SUSE) No Longer a Threat to Red Hat http://t.co/0Y7w19LDJx #redhat #suse #novell | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | ‘Microsoft Linux’ (aka SUSE) No Longer a Threat to Red Hat | Techrights | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fedora Turns 10, Release 20 Approaches http://t.co/y0MXvg66Pt #fedora #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Fedora Turns 10, Release 20 Approaches | Techrights | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Don’t Buy GNU/Linux, Tizen, or Android From Samsung http://t.co/8FOMSgDNcs #linux #tizen #android | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Don’t Buy GNU/Linux, Tizen, or Android From Samsung | Techrights | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Spam and phishing pretending to be from LinkedIn finally seem to outpace spam from LinkedIn itself (the site that's a mess in one's inbox) | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Even Microsoft Chief (Departed) Admits That Microsoft is a Very Serious Violator of Privacy http://t.co/na2Ft8Ush3 #privacy #nsa | Oct 03 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Even Microsoft Chief (Departed) Admits That Microsoft is a Very Serious Violator of Privacy | Techrights | Oct 03 17:30 |
| iophk | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/10/lowering-your-standards | Oct 03 17:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eff.org | Lowering Your Standards: DRM and the Future of the W3C | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/fth2s ] | Oct 03 17:54 |
| Sosumi | yay samsung, I wouldn't buy their stuff nor any other android device with a fork of android | Oct 03 17:57 |
| Sosumi | simply because I don't know what kind of telemetry tools the manufacturer as put on the thing | Oct 03 17:58 |
| Sosumi | not that I like android, but at least the thing is free soft and the nexus things come with the bootloader unlocked... | Oct 03 17:58 |
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| Sosumi | actually, I don't like cell phones at all, netbook with umts/lte modem > all | Oct 03 18:00 |
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| sebsebseb | Oct 03 18:09 | |
| sebsebseb | join #unity-coders | Oct 03 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | nope nothing to do with Canonial Ubuntu Unty ^ | Oct 03 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | or that Unity 3D thing | Oct 03 18:10 |
| Sosumi | buuu, mark shutleworm | Oct 03 18:10 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134992 | Oct 03 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Bieber http://31.media.tumblr.com/e34f801846cd44e824e56c6ce3396ee0/tumblr_mtr5mqjLxW1rf38dto1_500.png | Oct 03 18:10 |
| roy_1 | "You know in french Justin Bieber can be pronounced "Juste Imbibé" (say "Just um bibé") (in english : "just soaked") which means "just drunk" :D" | Oct 03 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: near you later this mnth again or kind of | Oct 03 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | Liverpool | Oct 03 18:11 |
| roy_1 | so come to manc | Oct 03 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: probably not | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | train already going to be expensie | Oct 03 18:12 |
| roy_1 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128938 | Oct 03 18:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #beliefs #atheist | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | going to Liverpool and bac | Oct 03 18:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by pritam@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_1f0c135ff816d5799ae0.png | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | and hotel will be expeise to | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: come to OGG Camp maybe :d | Oct 03 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | roy_1: http://oggcamp.org | Oct 03 18:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | oggcamp.org | OggCamp | Oct 03 18:12 |
| roy_1 | "Why worry about commenting on other people's opinions on D*? Get over it, you weakling. ;-)" | Oct 03 18:13 |
| iophk | "It's just surprising and disappointing to see the W3C and its Director gamble against the precedent of their own success, as well as the fears and consciences of so many of their colleagues." | Oct 03 18:20 |
| iophk | old - https://lkml.org/lkml/2001/12/18/246 | Oct 03 18:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lkml.org | LKML: Alan Cox: Re: [OT] DRM OS | Oct 03 18:41 |
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| roy_1 | got | Oct 03 18:43 |
| roy_1 | question | Oct 03 18:43 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 03 18:44 |
| roy_1 | why is it that in kubuntu 13.04 firefox and thunderbird sometimes don't have spellcheck as you ty | Oct 03 18:45 |
| roy_1 | It's a known bug in older versions | Oct 03 18:45 |
| roy_1 | and i preserved old settings | Oct 03 18:45 |
| iophk | I stopped using KDE a while back, I'm passing though an LXDE phase. | Oct 03 18:45 |
| roy_1 | I tried all sorts of things, behaviour is not even consistent, sometimes it works. sometimes (most of the time) not | Oct 03 18:46 |
| iophk | Does it happen even in other apps? | Oct 03 18:46 |
| iophk | Maybe also in a simple text editor. | Oct 03 18:46 |
| roy_1 | also, gtk GUI (coarse) in Firefox | Oct 03 18:47 |
| roy_1 | In some sites Firefox behaves OK | Oct 03 18:47 |
| roy_1 | Anyway, I am still adjusting to this new system | Oct 03 18:47 |
| iophk | Did you get the apps added ok? | Oct 03 18:47 |
| roy_1 | qt apps like kate work well | Oct 03 18:48 |
| roy_1 | ah! | Oct 03 18:50 |
| roy_1 | I've solved it for Firefox | Oct 03 18:50 |
| roy_1 | odd checkbox | Oct 03 18:50 |
| roy_1 | Let's try thunderbird | Oct 03 18:50 |
| iophk | Why was the problem intermittent? Which checkbox? | Oct 03 18:50 |
| roy_1 | wrote 7 posts today, but still spending days on many other things | Oct 03 18:51 |
| roy_1 | need to choose a dictionary | Oct 03 18:51 |
| roy_1 | oh | Oct 03 18:52 |
| roy_1 | and to make it more fscked up | Oct 03 18:53 |
| roy_1 | in thunderbird the spellchecker always works OK in subject line | Oct 03 18:53 |
| roy_1 | a complete reversal compared to old versions | Oct 03 18:53 |
| roy_1 | where thunderbird didn't have the ability to do this | Oct 03 18:53 |
| roy_1 | having seen my colleague sending off a message to a client saying "hell andrew" today (not Hello), I do need this fixed | Oct 03 18:54 |
| iophk | Thunderbird->Preferences->Composition->Spelling->Enable spell check as you type should have done it but it doesn't | Oct 03 18:58 |
| roy_1 | yes, but if only this was the issue... | Oct 03 19:08 |
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| roy_1 | There are many bug reprots and reported fixes like https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/945769 | Oct 03 19:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | support.mozilla.org | Spell Check is not working, still...... | Firefox Support Forum | Mozilla Support [ http://ur1.ca/ftqts ] | Oct 03 19:09 |
| roy_1 | YouTube broke the video downloaders again | Oct 03 19:09 |
| roy_1 | moving goalposts | Oct 03 19:09 |
| roy_1 | will post your EFF link re DRM | Oct 03 19:10 |
| iophk | caching and autoplay are messed up too in Youtube | Oct 03 19:10 |
| iophk | There was some news a while back about the DRM, but it looks like nothing has changed since then. | Oct 03 19:10 |
| iophk | T B-L of all people used to be for an open web. He designed it that way and defended that design up until recently. | Oct 03 19:11 |
| roy_1 | I thinkl | Oct 03 19:11 |
| roy_1 | Android tends to serve via html5 | Oct 03 19:11 |
| roy_1 | the Web is getting more messy in some areas though | Oct 03 19:11 |
| iophk | FirefoxOS will use HTML5 apps | Oct 03 19:11 |
| roy_1 | changed dictionaries, restarts, works now? | Oct 03 19:14 |
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| Sosumi | when does the US default on it's debt? drama is getting nauseating | Oct 03 19:27 |
| MinceR | i think it's going to take quite a bit of thrashing | Oct 03 19:27 |
| Sosumi | no MMA? | Oct 03 19:27 |
| Sosumi | obama vs X | Oct 03 19:28 |
| Sosumi | joking aside, how many will suffer from beneficts cuts? | Oct 03 19:29 |
| schestowitz_bed | they can't cut benefit | Oct 03 19:29 |
| schestowitz_bed | it would rile up well armed people | Oct 03 19:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | more militias | Oct 03 19:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | The plutocrats need to appease those people with at least soup kiutchen | Oct 03 19:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | or flee the country to their second home overseas | Oct 03 19:30 |
| Sosumi | I see | Oct 03 19:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | or make the unemployed join the army | Oct 03 19:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | which post-wikileaks era is harder, people are better informed | Oct 03 19:31 |
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| schestowitz_bed | they turns against their government and those who run it (buy congress), not other races and immigrants, as Rupert Murdoch's Fox 'news' wants them tpo | Oct 03 19:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | (sorry for typos, not sitting down) | Oct 03 19:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | !google ag holder worries anti government | Oct 03 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - AG Holder: Americans Not Worried Enough About Home-Grown ... | http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/14649-ag-holder-americans-not-worried-enough-about-home-grown-terrorists | Oct 03 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - AG Holder's 'see no evil' Muslim dilemma » Fresh Ink -- GOPUSA | http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2013/05/02/ag-holders-see-no-evil-muslim-dilemma/ | Oct 03 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Dimon meets with AG Holder over DOJ probe | Crain's New York ... | http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130926/FINANCE/130929919 | Oct 03 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Politico: AG Holder Now Untouchable - Breitbart | http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/19/Politico-AG-Holder-Now-Untouchable | Oct 03 19:32 |
| Sosumi | well, the shadow gov will keep things rolling while the drama play goes on | Oct 03 19:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | see [1] above | Oct 03 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=605962 | Oct 03 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | boards.straightdope.com | Has anyone ever owned a Lincoln Town car? Did you like it - Straight Dope Message Board [ http://ur1.ca/ftr4h ] | Oct 03 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | "handling of a small ocean liner" | Oct 03 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 03 19:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | he calls unrest terrorism | Oct 03 19:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | already calling USians "terrorists" | Oct 03 19:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | I guess that's how he justifies droning at least 4 USians. 3 by accident | Oct 03 19:33 |
| Sosumi | *facepalm* public unrest is a reflection of the crap the politicians and wall St do | Oct 03 19:34 |
| Sosumi | and well, dupping mentally chalenged folks | Oct 03 19:36 |
| Sosumi | more canon fodder for the prison industrial complex | Oct 03 19:36 |
| Sosumi | will the new US assembled mac pro be shipped from a prison near you? lol | Oct 03 19:37 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-03/shots-fired-near-us-capitol-lockdown-mode | Oct 03 19:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Shots Fired Near US Capitol; Capitol In Lockdown; ‘Shelter in Place’ Ordered in - Live Feed | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/ftr6v ] | Oct 03 19:39 |
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| Sosumi | who let the lsd guy out? | Oct 03 19:49 |
| Sosumi | with a gun :/ | Oct 03 19:50 |
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| Sosumi | http://screendwellers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/TheyLive1041111.jpg | Oct 03 20:44 |
| Sosumi | everything's ok now | Oct 03 20:45 |
| Sosumi | http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/NATL-Shots-Fired-at-Nations-Capitol-226341941.html | Oct 03 20:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.nbcwashington.com | Shots Fired Near Nation's Capitol | NBC4 Washington [ http://ur1.ca/ftrqj ] | Oct 03 20:46 |
| Sosumi | "lockdown" lifted | Oct 03 20:46 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/03/iphone_5s_motion_sensors_are_totally_screwed_up/ | Oct 03 20:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - iPhone 5S Motion Sensors Are Totally Screwed Up [ http://ur1.ca/ftrqv ] | Oct 03 20:47 |
| Sosumi | that's what happens when you're on LSD | Oct 03 20:47 |
| Sosumi | that and Helvetica Neue | Oct 03 20:48 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter, they'll buy it anyway | Oct 03 21:07 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 03 22:19 |
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| MinceR | http://apina.biz/108783 | Oct 04 07:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | apina.biz | NO TITLE | Oct 04 07:22 |
| gulag2013 | Interesting. It's to bad I don't allow cookies. | Oct 04 07:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 04 07:25 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 04 09:04 |
| schestowitz_bed | "All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry." | Oct 04 09:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | —Edgar Allan Poe | Oct 04 09:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 04 09:15 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/how-a-telecom-helped-the-government-spy-on-me/ | Oct 04 13:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | How a telecom helped the government spy on me | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fu04f ] | Oct 04 13:07 |
| iophk | more "metadata" | Oct 04 13:07 |
| iophk | "The point here is that now Berners-Lee has officially blessed the idea of locking down HTML, it will be hard if not impossible to resist calls for the same technology to be applied in other ways." | Oct 04 13:25 |
| iophk | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/10/time-to-fight-against-a-drmd-web---by-forking-it/index.htm | Oct 04 13:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.computerworlduk.com | Time to Fight Against a DRM'd Web - by Forking It - Open Enterprise [ http://ur1.ca/fu0ab ] | Oct 04 13:25 |
| iophk | I don't get why he promoted DRM. He once promoted an open Web | Oct 04 13:26 |
| iophk | and designed it to be open from the beginning. | Oct 04 13:26 |
| iophk | It sure would not have grown into anything significant if it had been DRM'd from the beginning or in any other way closed. | Oct 04 13:27 |
| iophk | It's too early to fork the WWW IMHO, not until the fight is over. | Oct 04 13:28 |
| iophk | " If we want to keep the open Web, it looks like we are going to have to fight for it - and, sadly, against its inventor." | Oct 04 13:28 |
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| iophk | Windows? It does mention a reboot, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/something_for_the_weekend_shopping_hell/ | Oct 04 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theregister.co.uk | Oh, shoppin’ HELL: I’m in the supermarket of the DAMNED • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/fu0mp ] | Oct 04 14:05 |
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| iophk | http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3471849/unique-active-directory-glitch-blamed-for-it-failure-at-scottish-hospitals/ | Oct 04 14:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworlduk.com | Active Directory glitch blamed for IT failure at Scottish hospitals - ComputerworldUK.com [ http://ur1.ca/fu0ne ] | Oct 04 14:07 |
| iophk | WTF was AD doing in the infrastructure? | Oct 04 14:15 |
| MinceR | making it unreliable, insecure and a lot more costly, obviously | Oct 04 14:17 |
| MinceR | as for the supermarket, i don't trust self-service checkout | Oct 04 14:17 |
| MinceR | they can't even make vending machines reliable | Oct 04 14:17 |
| iophk | Yeah, it's probably there to increase costs and decrease efficiency. However, Kerberos has fared even less well under M$ influence. | Oct 04 14:20 |
| iophk | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.cvs/121323 | Oct 04 14:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | comments.gmane.org | Automated mailout of CVS source tree changes [ http://ur1.ca/fu0sc ] | Oct 04 14:24 |
| iophk | https://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2013/10/02/whistleblowers-hearing-on-nsa-mass-surveillance-european-parliament-30-sept-2013-videomp3/ | Oct 04 14:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | christianengstrom.wordpress.com | Whistleblowers – Hearing on NSA & Mass Surveillance, European Parliament 30 Sept 2013 [Video+MP3] | Christian Engström, Pirate MEP [ http://ur1.ca/fu0sv ] | Oct 04 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/04/microsoft-reportedly-looking-to-put-windows-phone-on-android-devices-starting-with-htc/ | Oct 04 14:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | Microsoft Reportedly Looking To Put Windows Phone On Android Devices, Starting With HTC | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/fu0yk ] | Oct 04 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | They have the patent threats as leverage. | Oct 04 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | "Put this OS that nobody wants on your phones or we'll sue you over Android." | Oct 04 14:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 04 14:43 |
| MinceR | time for device makers to gang up on m$ | Oct 04 14:44 |
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| Sosumi | Edgar Allan Poe ftw! | Oct 04 15:20 |
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| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 04 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | Given that more than half of the members of the House and a supermajority of the members of the Senate are millionaires or billionaires, does anyone think that having their pay withheld for a few weeks is going to put them in a bind? | Oct 04 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | They're not the 78%. (If you have no debt and ten dollars in your pocket, you're richer than most Americans.) | Oct 04 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 04 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | Now, maybe if they'd pass a "No government gets the obstructionists removed from office" bill, the crisis would be over in less than an hour. | Oct 04 16:17 |
| iophk | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-04/microsoft-said-to-ask-htc-to-put-windows-on-more-phones.html | Oct 04 16:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bloomberg.com | Microsoft Said to Ask HTC for Windows on Android Phones - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/fu1u0 ] | Oct 04 16:34 |
| iophk | http://www.zdnet.com/french-police-move-from-windows-to-ubuntu-linux-7000021479/ | Oct 04 17:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | French police move from Windows to Ubuntu Linux | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ftnw5 ] | Oct 04 17:19 |
| iophk | moving slowly, but moving | Oct 04 17:19 |
| iophk | http://fsfe.org/news/nl/nl-201310.en.html | Oct 04 17:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fsfe.org | FSFE Newsletter - October 2013 [ http://ur1.ca/fu26y ] | Oct 04 17:26 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption | Oct 04 17:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | NSA and GCHQ target Tor network that protects anonymity of web users | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fu1mz ] | Oct 04 17:43 |
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| DaemonFC | I just took an interview about how I feel about the minimum wage in this country and employers that pay close to it. | Oct 04 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | I said that I think that the minimum wage should be raised to $10.72 an hour and that employers should be required to give food service workers a few paid sick days per year and at least catastrophic care health and dental insurance. | Oct 04 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | and that I disagree with restaurants that require customers to tip | Oct 04 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | they should pay their employees and build the price of their wages into the menu | Oct 04 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I mentioned Dawn. | Oct 04 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | I told the interviewer that I knew that her employer didn't give her any sick days and so when she had the flu, they had her in the back washing dishes. | Oct 04 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | I told the interviewer that this is disgusting, but probably pretty common, and that I agree with the cities that are passing laws to give food service workers a few paid sick days. | Oct 04 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | I told him that I don't know how people even survive that. | Oct 04 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | That kind of employment. | Oct 04 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | The minimum wage for restaurant servers is only $2.12 per hour, and they rely on how generous their customers happen to be to make up the slack. | Oct 04 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | So some of them might do well, and others may not. They might work very hard and not make very much money. It's more or less just luck. | Oct 04 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | He asked me if I'd heard of the strikes and I told him yes. | Oct 04 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | He asked how I felt about them. I said that I support the workers in principle, but that their employers will just get away with hiring scabs and strike breakers, so it will probably just end up costing them their jobs. | Oct 04 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that people who do entry level/service jobs should be paid an exorbitant amount of money. $15 an hour is too much. | Oct 04 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | But they shouldn't be making $7 or $8 an hour either, because you can't live on that. | Oct 04 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | He asked whether that impacts my choice to eat at those restaurants. I told him that I don't go there as much as I'd really like to because of that. I go a few times a year when it's someone's birthday or something, and I tip well, but that I generally avoid them the rest of the time. | Oct 04 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's ridiculous when a restaurant charges you $25 for a steak dinner and $5 for a bottle of beer and the waitress is making minimum wage. | Oct 04 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | You might have 7-8 people sitting at that table, and a bill for over $200 when you leave the restaurant, and the wait staff are not even making $3 an hour if they don't get their tips. | Oct 04 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | I said that expecting the customer to pay your employees is vulgar. | Oct 04 18:17 |
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| DaemonFC | They asked me what difference I thought the Bush Tax Cuts made for the working poor. | Oct 04 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | I said "Probably none at all. The way those employers think, if their employees get a $500 a year tax cut, it's justification to pay them $500 less every year." | Oct 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134661 | Oct 04 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/is-slackware-the-oldest-remaining-linux-distribution-right-for-you/ #slackware #gnu #linux | Oct 04 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.makeuseof.com | Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? [ http://ur1.ca/ftyfy ] | Oct 04 19:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Once you've become "Slacker" (slackware addict), any other distro feels like wearing handcuffs - restrictive and clastropobic. The article isn't good - one has the suspicion that the author hasn't even bothered to install slackware - let alone use it. He certainly didn't bother finding out, by asking on linuxquestions.org, WHY Slackware has such a solid community." | Oct 04 19:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Once you've become "Slacker" (slackware addict), any other distro feels like wearing handcuffs - restrictive and claustrophobic. The article isn't good - one has the suspicion that the author hasn't even bothered to install slackware - let alone use it. He certainly didn't bother finding out, by asking on linuxquestions.org, WHY Slackware has such a solid community and hence why it is the way it is." | Oct 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: thanks for the links | Oct 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | added for later | Oct 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | curious stuff about HTC | Oct 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | But they also tried Blubboxes or whatever it was called to port Android apps to Windows | Oct 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | Those strategies never quite work | Oct 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | If they offer discounts on Android tax for installs of Windows, that's bribery on top of extortion | Oct 04 19:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | which adds to Elop's crime | Oct 04 19:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | Microsoft is still a very criminal company | Oct 04 19:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | My total distaste goes back to the 1980's when I saw in the US consulate an old man - an Iranian - being refused a visa to visit his family in the USA - coa he was Iranian (so was the Shah!). | Oct 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | Prior to that - this will make you laugh - in the 1970s - Cold War - a Finnish friend was refused entry - despite guaranteed employment etc. - because Finland was regarded as "suspect". | Oct 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | My experience of being pissed off has to do with filling out a form, then being asked the same questions that were on the form before departure and being asked the same questions on arrival - despite having a "lifetime" visa - yup - back in the 1980's. Each time the official acting like a nazi. | Oct 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | I spent a month's holiday within 100m of the Soviet border requiring both Finnish and Soviet special permission - and it was less buraucratic than the USA - and far more polite. | Oct 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | I now travel to te UK only by train and boat - it's beautiful compared with the Eurostar and I refuse to fly - so no one can tell me to take my shoes off :) | Oct 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131540 | Oct 04 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This is why myself and some friends of mine aren't even interested in visiting the US anymore http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/ilija-trojanow-nsa-criticism_n_4024595.html | Oct 04 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.huffingtonpost.com | Ilija Trojanow, German Writer, Banned From US For Criticizing NSA [ http://ur1.ca/ft9zz ] | Oct 04 19:20 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2001-Dodge-Caravan-ES-Columbia_City-IN/2077356013 | Oct 04 20:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cityautomall.com | 2001 Dodge Caravan for sale in Columbia City - 2B8GP54L01R293736 - City Automall [ http://ur1.ca/fu3a4 ] | Oct 04 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know if I'm interested in this or not. | Oct 04 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Good: It seems like the body is in good shape. It's my favorite color. I do like minivans. Carfax actually has records that prove it was maintained. | Oct 04 20:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Bad: It's a 13 year old van with 130,000 miles on it. Carfax reports it was sideswiped, but it looks like it was repaired. | Oct 04 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | The thing about impact damage being repaired is that they can make the vehicle look right, but it might not ever be right again. | Oct 04 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | My car was in a front end collision and it didn't do any damage to the front of the car that was visible, but someone jury rigged some things. | Oct 04 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to put a new headlight mounting bracket on it. | Oct 04 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | They also neglected the coolant system, so that's pretty much all been replaced. | Oct 04 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to end up with a vehicle like this again. It's been a money pit. | Oct 04 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | This is why I hate car shopping. | Oct 04 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | You can take two identical vehicles and give them to two different people and one will be ready for the junkyard at 100,000 miles, and the other will be ready for another 150,000. | Oct 04 20:09 |
| MinceR | this is part of why i'd hate to shop for used cars | Oct 04 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Exactly. It can be almost impossible to tell what kind of car you have until AFTER you already own it. | Oct 04 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, you can also end up with a bad new car. | Oct 04 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | It's less likely, but it happens. | Oct 04 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | My mom said she bought a new Volkswagon Rabbit back in the late 1970s. | Oct 04 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | And it only had like 30,000 miles on it when the engine caught fire and destroyed it. | Oct 04 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | It stranded her in Illinois. | Oct 04 20:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 04 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it's funny NOW. | Oct 04 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | But I'm sure it wasn't exactly hilarious when you're standing right beside a new car that you're still making payments on while it's on fire. | Oct 04 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | I said oh jesus it's a fire! | Oct 04 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | I said lord jesus it's a fire! | Oct 04 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus Jesus Jesus it's a fire! | Oct 04 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ain't nobody got time for that! Ain't nobody got time for that! Ain't nobody got time, ain't nobody got time, ain't nobody got time for that! | Oct 04 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxwbhkDjZM | Oct 04 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Ain't Nobody Got Time for That!-Original - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fu3ce ] | Oct 04 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEC-8GFTP4 | Oct 04 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Ain't Nobody Got Time For That (Original + AutoTune) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fu3ch ] | Oct 04 20:15 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's almost impossible to find a good used minivan. | Oct 04 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | People run them into the ground and then sell them. | Oct 04 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | Almost all of them I see for sale have more than 200,000 miles on them. | Oct 04 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't pay much more than crush value for a vehicle over 200,000. | Oct 04 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4104381127.html | Oct 04 20:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1999 CHRYSLER CONCORDE LXi - Leather - Sunroof - DRIVES GREAT! $1990 [ http://ur1.ca/fu3dl ] | Oct 04 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Rebuilt title. I wonder what happened. | Oct 04 20:21 |
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| DaemonFC | There's a lot of those floating around. Flood damage and stuff. | Oct 04 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | Messes up the car's electrical system but sometimes doesn't leave any visible damage. | Oct 04 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know exactly why, but a lot of these newer cars (2000 and later) have severe rust problems. | Oct 04 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | I suspect that they're designed to start rusting after several years to destroy the remaining value. | Oct 04 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The funniest thing I've ever witnessed in regards to vehicle damage was when I was leaving a bar with a friend and he backed into someone's Cadillac DeVille. | Oct 04 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | Looked pretty new. | Oct 04 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | Him: "Shit! Did anyone see that?" *drives off* | Oct 04 20:40 |
| MinceR | didn't fundies rage about the name of that car? :> | Oct 04 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | I was giggling about that for days. | Oct 04 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | My grandmother drives one. | Oct 04 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | She bought it by mortgaging her house. | Oct 04 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | Her house is in such disrepair that she owes more to the bank than what it's worth. | Oct 04 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | She took the mortgage out on it when we were in the middle of the housing bubble. | Oct 04 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | She was bragging about having a Cadillac one day and I told her "I don't think they have any parking spots in hell.". | Oct 04 20:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 04 20:44 |
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| Cirrus_Minor | This MPD server be runnin 24/7 feelfree to add it to yr media players, wurks on all devices mplayer http://turtil.net:9001 | Oct 04 21:34 |
| Sosumi | only roasted meat in hell | Oct 04 21:38 |
| Sosumi | and spartans having dinner | Oct 04 21:38 |
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| MinceR | http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/96/i-forgot-where-we-are-dining-tonight.jpg | Oct 04 21:40 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 04 21:44 |
| Sosumi | http://rt.com/usa/adobe-hacked-krebs-hold-742/ | Oct 04 21:45 |
| Sosumi | hope the crackers release the source code of adobe's trash player | Oct 04 21:45 |
| Sosumi | I really don't understand the whole hackerspace thing, we have one at my university, but it's idiotic | Oct 04 21:50 |
| Sosumi | playing with arduino, rasperberry Pis for trivial stuff | Oct 04 21:51 |
| Sosumi | instead of focusing on common things that actually have use | Oct 04 21:51 |
| Sosumi | no AI lab, no computer penetration and security, no signals intelligence | Oct 04 21:54 |
| JimmyCarter | signals intelligence? | Oct 04 21:57 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 04 21:58 |
| JimmyCarter | what would that hackspace activity consist of? | Oct 04 21:58 |
| Sosumi | my proposal was to create a android app to filter the celullar network | Oct 04 21:59 |
| JimmyCarter | are any not encrypted? | Oct 04 21:59 |
| Sosumi | so the user could, for now manually, select which signals he would want to connect | Oct 04 21:59 |
| Sosumi | yes and inform if they are encrypted, or not | Oct 04 22:00 |
| Sosumi | and also teach algos, to create a signal strenght to noise ratio for position inside the campus using the internal wifi network | Oct 04 22:01 |
| JimmyCarter | guess could also listen in on police scanners. not sure for what purpose | Oct 04 22:01 |
| JimmyCarter | just because 'signals intelligence' sounds cool heh | Oct 04 22:01 |
| Sosumi | yeah :) | Oct 04 22:01 |
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| Sosumi | later could have them create a "snooper" | Oct 04 22:02 |
| Sosumi | all for academic porpuses | Oct 04 22:02 |
| *DanielIvanov is now known as ThistleWeb | Oct 04 22:04 | |
| Sosumi | could also have them build a stock market simulation | Oct 04 22:04 |
| Sosumi | and/or tap the chatter on the web to predict trends, rises, mood of the nation, etc | Oct 04 22:05 |
| Sosumi | the fun stuff of which they can learn something that'll be usable in real life | Oct 04 22:06 |
| Sosumi | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/04/1457225/data-mining-reveals-the-emotional-differences-in-emails-from-men-and-women?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Oct 04 22:17 |
| Sosumi | Data Mining Reveals the Emotional Differences In Emails From Men and Women | Oct 04 22:17 |
| Sosumi | Datamining! | Oct 04 22:17 |
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| JimmyCarter | well you can work on whatever you want at a hackspace | Oct 04 22:32 |
| JimmyCarter | maybe after you hangout there awhile youl meet others who want to help | Oct 04 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast keeps offering to help me save money. | Oct 04 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | Somehow their definition of saving money is doubling your bill. | Oct 04 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I need that kind of help. | Oct 04 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | "You save $10 a month on your internet when you bundle it with a TV package!" | Oct 04 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Yeah, but then I'm paying for a bunch of crap channels and all kinds of fees and equipment rental and tax." | Oct 04 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | I actually had AT&T call a few days ago. | Oct 04 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | I told the guy I hate money. | Oct 04 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | I said I've got a whole pile of it and if they don't take it all, I'm going to go out back and burn it. | Oct 04 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | I kept him going for a while before I got to that. | Oct 04 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually he caught on and hung up on me. | Oct 04 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.lwsd.org/school/emhs/SiteCollectionDocuments/Economy%20-%20Comcast%20Flier%20Session%205%20NL.pdf | Oct 04 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | But, if you're a parasite with a lot of kids on welfare, Comcast will give you internet for $10 a month with no modem rental fees. | Oct 04 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | They'll even sell you a computer below cost if you want one. | Oct 04 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I just need to have like five or six kids I can't afford and then I'll be cleaning up. My problem is that I'm one of those people who was stupid and responsible and decided against having lots of kids. | Oct 04 22:48 |
| MinceR | save money -- for us! :> | Oct 04 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I calculated what my Comcast bill would be while the rep was on the phone with me and I told him that my bill would go from $52 a month for internet to $126 for internet and a crappy TV package. | Oct 04 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | Asked him where the savings were. | Oct 04 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | "What I'd like is for you to stop offering to bundle my internet with a bunch of things that nobody under 50 cares about." | Oct 04 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 04 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | My mom keeps complaining that her TV bill is high. | Oct 04 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | It's because Dave sits there on the couch in his underwear watching people shout at each other on the "news". | Oct 04 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | and they suck another $70 a month out of you for that. | Oct 04 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus... | Oct 04 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe people actually pay for that. | Oct 04 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | Silly old me, I'd rather have an extra $800 a year in my pocket. | Oct 04 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | What could I possibly be thinking? | Oct 04 22:54 |
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| Sosumi | ho, no no no | Oct 04 23:04 |
| Sosumi | they coordenate the thing | Oct 04 23:04 |
| Sosumi | like, next week it's about playing with solidworks and 3d print the thing that was created | Oct 04 23:05 |
| Sosumi | on the week after it's about arduino and robots, hopefully they'll introduce the folks there to computer vision and pattern recognition | Oct 04 23:06 |
| Sosumi | they have the thing delimited | Oct 04 23:08 |
| Sosumi | instead of the ppl gathering, discussing what they want to do, make groups, learn what they need in a "familiar" environment and finish their project | Oct 04 23:13 |
| Sosumi | and ho well, dassault sistemes is one of the corporate patners anyways... | Oct 04 23:14 |
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| iophk | http://nypost.com/2013/10/04/undercover-cop-stood-by-as-bikers-beat-dad/ | Oct 05 08:56 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.71 | Oct 05 09:02 |
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| iophk | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/nvidia-cripples-linux-drivers-windows/14883 | Oct 05 09:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | Nvidia cripples Linux drivers because of Windows - Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/fu7qj ] | Oct 05 09:19 |
| iophk | Yet another reason closed, proprietary drivers have to go. | Oct 05 09:19 |
| iophk | pushing Matt Asay: http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2013/10/02/open-source-is-good-and-all-but-proprietary-is-still-winning/ | Oct 05 09:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Open Source Is Good And All, But Proprietary Is Still Winning - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/fu7r5 ] | Oct 05 09:21 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | meh | Oct 05 09:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: iny major news we missed? I am still far far behind, with thousands of unread headlines | Oct 05 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | *any | Oct 05 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I am still not sure how to proceed | Oct 05 09:42 |
| iophk | not much lately | Oct 05 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | One option is, scrape old stuff, catch up with what's latest | Oct 05 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | the other option is, deal with all Sept. news even a month late provided it's relevant | Oct 05 09:43 |
| iophk | an unarmed woman was gunned down in DC and the papers are spinning it like it was her fault. The actions leading up to the shooting are weird but she was out of the car when it happened. | Oct 05 09:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | This increases the liklihood of identifying important news, even if it's dealt with a month late | Oct 05 09:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Not been keeping up with NSA, CIA, drones, etc. | Oct 05 09:43 |
| iophk | Maybe you can work backwards through the queue starting with the latest. | Oct 05 09:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Not a priority right now. | Oct 05 09:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Yes, that's what I've been doing | Oct 05 09:43 |
| iophk | The items that age well will still be there when you get to them. | Oct 05 09:44 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Maybe I can catch up by xmas :-) | Oct 05 09:44 |
| iophk | There's probably no way to cover it all anyway. | Oct 05 09:44 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Just added some ad banners for the host of TR | Oct 05 09:44 |
| iophk | I don't see the banners on the main page. | Oct 05 09:45 |
| iophk | BTW the "latest stories" feed is still broken but you know that still.. | Oct 05 09:45 |
| iophk | GNU 30th got surprisingly little coverage. | Oct 05 09:46 |
| iophk | I think the 25h anniversary got more. | Oct 05 09:46 |
| iophk | IIRC | Oct 05 09:46 |
| iophk | There's been a fair amount of discussion of the Silk Road take down. | Oct 05 09:50 |
| iophk | Most of it is still speculation | Oct 05 09:50 |
| iophk | and all the possibilities have included the probability of "parallel construction" even if it is not named explicitly | Oct 05 09:51 |
| iophk | Not named (that I see) is the role of dangerous and insecure methods like IRC in breaking the case. | Oct 05 09:52 |
| iophk | I figure the ease with which it helps track people is one of the driving forces in popularizing IRC. | Oct 05 09:54 |
| iophk | Also its ephemeral nature means that any clever, insightful or informative discussion that might actually happen is lost. | Oct 05 09:59 |
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| iophk | On the web it sticks around a bit longer, usually at least until the site goes under with a new owner. | Oct 05 10:07 |
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| iophk | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/nsa_using_firefox_flaw_to_snoop_on_tor_users/ | Oct 05 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theregister.co.uk | NSA using Firefox flaw to snoop on Tor users • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/fu8bc ] | Oct 05 10:47 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | LOL http://25.media.tumblr.com/d07ad1926cbf2939193c10fdbd31d4f6/tumblr_msgr6pnFnM1reysmlo1_250.gif | Oct 05 10:53 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 05 13:45 |
| gulag2013 | Silk Road got hit? | Oct 05 13:56 |
| gulag2013 | I wouldn't know anything about that, if it wasn't for Adam Curry talking about ordering drugs from there. | Oct 05 13:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3141095 | Oct 05 16:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA using Firefox flaw to snoop on Tor users http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/nsa_using_firefox_flaw_to_snoop_on_tor_users/ #tor #nsa #cracking #surveillance | Oct 05 16:02 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The Register really sucks these days. This article is misleading and incomplete. | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | First off, the problem with the Torbundle browser was Windows only. Wired Called out Windows in article about an FBI attack on TOR networks, what's wrong with The Register these days? As Techrights noted, using TOR on Windows is Epic Failure. | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Recently, a Windows botner doubled the number of Tor nodes. Oh yeah, they published an article about that but left out the Windows and Microsoft keywords, so they know better. Given that GCHQ's goal is to expand the number of compromised nodes, people we should suspect criminal government activity for it. | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/09/malware_culprit_fingered_in_mysterious_tor_traffic_spike/ | Oct 05 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theregister.co.uk | Malware culprit fingered in mysterious Tor traffic spike • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/fuady ] | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://techrights.org/2013/08/07/windows-with-tor/ | Oct 05 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Using Windows With TOR is Like Wearing Makeup to Dodge CCTV | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fuadz ] | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/ | Oct 05 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fiz5d ] | Oct 05 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Firefox gets a bad name for being used on Windows. | Oct 05 16:04 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3141607 | Oct 05 16:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux was a replacement for GNU Hurd, not the other way around http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Kernel-Replacement-GNU-Hurd-0-5-Released-After-16-Years-387510.shtml | Oct 05 16:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel Replacement, GNU Hurd 0.5, Released After 16 Years [ http://ur1.ca/fuae6 ] | Oct 05 16:04 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "What advantages does Hurd provide over Linux?" | Oct 05 16:04 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | microkernel, gplv3-licensed | Oct 05 16:05 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: http://fossforce.com/2013/10/microsoft-five-years-road/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=microsoft-five-years-road | Oct 05 16:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Microsoft Five Years Down the Road - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/fuagu ] | Oct 05 16:14 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | lots of nonsense there | Oct 05 16:14 |
| Sosumi | in a perfect world, M$ five years down the road = filling for bankruptcy | Oct 05 17:07 |
| MinceR | in a perfect world, it would have never existed :> | Oct 05 17:27 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/386529120081182720 | Oct 05 18:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @jmcest: Rotten Walled Garden Fruit RT @schestowitz Nvidia cripples Linux drivers bc of Windows http://t.co/iymh71eCZZ #microsoft ruins everything | Oct 05 18:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.muktware.com | Nvidia cripples Linux drivers because of Windows - Muktware | Oct 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/PowerEnhanced/status/386530331198631937 | Oct 05 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @PowerEnhanced: @schestowitz: women are permitted to exclude men, but they scream a lot when men exclude women... I endorse both options. | Oct 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137537 | Oct 05 18:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: "All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry." | Oct 05 18:08 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Dr Roy, Dawkins has been retreating from the 'selfish gene' ever since he first published the idea. It is an unscientific idea that doesn't prove anything." | Oct 05 18:08 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The regret he has is that politicians misrepresented his work to do nasty things. The title was ill chosen. | Oct 05 18:09 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "The regret he has is that politicians misrepresented his work to do nasty things. The title was ill chosen." | Oct 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Cameron - try looking it up." | Oct 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3142184 | Oct 05 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OpenLogic overlooks the risk of EULA and proprietary lock-in, antifeatures, back doors, etc. to make FOSS look bad http://www.openlogic.com/blog/bid/318553/Choosing-a-Scanning-Solution-The-Cost-of-a-Mis-Hire | Oct 05 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.openlogic.com | Choosing a Scanning Solution – The Cost of a "Mis-Hire" [ http://ur1.ca/fubkx ] | Oct 05 19:23 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "With licensed commercial code, this process is usually easier, because you only need to look for the binaries provided to you by your vendor. Easier = Impossible. It is more likely that commercial software has copied copyrighted code - the profit motive. And, of course it can then be hidden easier..." | Oct 05 19:23 |
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| iophk | http://bsdly.blogspot.ca/2013/10/the-hail-mary-cloud-and-lessons-learned.html | Oct 05 20:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | bsdly.blogspot.ca | That grumpy BSD guy: The Hail Mary Cloud And The Lessons Learned [ http://ur1.ca/fubjk ] | Oct 05 20:10 |
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| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 06 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | The panel of death? | Oct 06 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | Isn't that what they replaced the Start Menu with in Windows 8? | Oct 06 03:55 |
| oiaohm | Fairly much. | Oct 06 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like programs that take up my entire screen. | Oct 06 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | Those new "metro" apps are worse than Windows 3.x's tiling window management. | Oct 06 04:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: you saw the one of MS offering HTC free license for their Phone OS. | Oct 06 04:17 |
| oiaohm | Really Windows 3.11 tiling windows management was multi application effective. | Oct 06 04:20 |
| JimmyCarter | http://www.infowars.com/peter-schiff-warns-of-martial-law/ | Oct 06 04:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infowars.com | » Peter Schiff Warns of Martial Law Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! [ http://ur1.ca/fuemq ] | Oct 06 04:25 |
| gulag2013 | haven't seen Peter Schiff in a long time | Oct 06 04:25 |
| JimmyCarter | i just emailed him | Oct 06 04:25 |
| JimmyCarter | Peter, | Oct 06 04:25 |
| JimmyCarter | What's your take on over-fishing and the tragedy of commons? In your infowars interview you advocate capitalism but don't mention any such possible drawbacks. To me this sounded one-sided or over-simplified. | Oct 06 04:25 |
| JimmyCarter | Do you blame the government for the problems with the previous health insurance system? I worry that your disparaging of "liberalism" and "socialism" sends the wrong partisan message. | Oct 06 04:25 |
| JimmyCarter | Thanks for your remarks about the "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation the Fed is in with tapering. That finally crystalized it for me. | Oct 06 04:25 |
| gulag2013 | That video is finally player. Obama supporters not know what party Obama is in? Get out of here. | Oct 06 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | One of the problems with the cost of healthcare in America is that we have two systems competing with each other. | Oct 06 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | We have a private healthcare system and two systems of insurance. Public systems that limit how many and what kind of people can get on them, and private insurance that is largely a burden on employers and on people who don't qualify for employer plans or public plans and have to pay the whole cost out of their own pocket. | Oct 06 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the problems come from the private sector components. | Oct 06 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | For profit health insurance companies and hospitals that want to pay their upper management big bucks and huge bonuses. | Oct 06 04:47 |
| gulag2013 | I'm not that informed on the system. I know that it's the only industry that can just send you a bill without you knowing the cost before hand. | Oct 06 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | It's driving costs up because the companies and hospitals want a huge profit, and it's driving jobs out of the US because companies can set up in Canada where health insurance is not a burden on them. | Oct 06 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | That's why a lot of the vehicles we buy in the United States are actually assembled in Canada. | Oct 06 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | The auto makers have a choice between buying these expensive health insurance plans here or going to Canada where they pay a small tax that helps fund the government healthcare that all Canadians are eligible for. | Oct 06 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | So it's a small cost that they can plan for in Canada vs. a huge cost that is going up at 5-6 times the rate of overall inflation in the United States. | Oct 06 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | It probably costs them something like $8-9 here for every $1 they'd spend in Canada. | Oct 06 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | So they do business in Canada and export the vehicles to the US for sale. | Oct 06 04:50 |
| gulag2013 | Wow | Oct 06 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | and the high costs and inefficiencies that were caused by the private sector spilled over and ruined the public sector health plans like Medicaid and Medicare. | Oct 06 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | Doctors don't want to see Medicaid patients because they can gouge Medicare and private insurance and Medicaid only reimburses them at a low rate in comparison to their other patients | Oct 06 04:52 |
| gulag2013 | It sounds like a mess. They will have to come force me to pay for a system I won't use. | Oct 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | and Medicare's problem is that it has gone on for many years where it just pays every damned bill that gets sent to it, so doctors and hospitals and drug companies conspire to send the highest bills they can send. | Oct 06 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | It pays thousands of dollars for motorized scooters if they are "medically necessary". | Oct 06 04:53 |
| gulag2013 | YA, that sounds right. Just see who will pay it. | Oct 06 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | So every old person that doesn't feel like walking anymore gets a "free" scooter. | Oct 06 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | and then soon after that, they *can't* walk anymore | Oct 06 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | because they stopped doing it and lose their ability | Oct 06 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | Then when they die, the scooter doesn't have to be turned in, so the family sells them and makes money off the sale. | Oct 06 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | A used scooter can go for $500-800 depending on the model. | Oct 06 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | If Medicare got it back after the patient died, they could recondition it and give it to someone else. | Oct 06 04:55 |
| gulag2013 | Yes indeed, Sounds very wasteful. | Oct 06 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | So they're buying a new scooter at full price each time someone's doctor orders one because they have a patient that griped about walking. | Oct 06 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | The patient wouldn't want the scooter if they had to pay for even 20% of the purchase price. | Oct 06 04:57 |
| gulag2013 | I always wondered if a hospital gives me a bandaid, can I just come back with a box and call it even? | Oct 06 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | The way they see it, it's just one more freebie that they're entitled to, so they might as well take it. | Oct 06 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | I got billed $11,000 the last time I was in the hospital. | Oct 06 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | A few hours in the ER. | Oct 06 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | I wasn't even admitted into the hospital. | Oct 06 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | They call it uncompensated care or "charity" care, and then they sue the patient. | Oct 06 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | They get their money back when they garnish your wages or take your house and sell it. | Oct 06 05:02 |
| gulag2013 | That is really scary. I would just try to refuse care. It's so important we learn to take better care of ourselves. Pay now or pay later | Oct 06 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare wouldn't be in trouble if they let anyone of any age enroll in it. | Oct 06 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | They'd be just like any other insurance company with a balanced risk pool. | Oct 06 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | The healthy people would make the system solvent. | Oct 06 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | For profit insurance is the reason Medicare and Medicaid exist. | Oct 06 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | They're there to take all the old and sick people with very high medical costs, to get them off the balance sheet of the insurance companies. | Oct 06 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | The insurance companies then get to insure mostly people that aren't going to cost them much money and will pay a huge premium. | Oct 06 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | They offload all the undesirable customers onto the public. | Oct 06 05:06 |
| gulag2013 | I know and it's disqusting that human health is a for profit entity. | Oct 06 05:06 |
| gulag2013 | It is the way it is and billions of dollars on medication that doesn't heal any disease | Oct 06 05:07 |
| oiaohm | Australia PBS setup shows a lot of flaws in medical health for profit ideas. | Oct 06 05:07 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: Evergreen of patents of medications turn up a lot as well. | Oct 06 05:07 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough in Australia we have a few drugs produced in the USA for the Australian population by third party producors that cannot be sold to USA cits. | Oct 06 05:08 |
| oiaohm | Why to use the PBS in Australia drug maker has to agree after particular time to allow third parties to produce the same drug. | Oct 06 05:08 |
| gulag2013 | Ha, ha. I think I follow you. | Oct 06 05:09 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: competition is good | Oct 06 05:09 |
| oiaohm | when it comes to medial drug production. | Oct 06 05:09 |
| oiaohm | USA patent system is prevent drug makers competting for low cost production. | Oct 06 05:09 |
| gulag2013 | Well under a lot of circumstances herbal medicine is more effective than man made drugs that hurt vital organs | Oct 06 05:11 |
| gulag2013 | That is the way it is though, long shelf life, means no self life | Oct 06 05:12 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: unless you have the problem here where herbal medicine does not have decent quality controls. | Oct 06 05:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically herbal based medical medicine really need the same quality controls. | Oct 06 05:13 |
| gulag2013 | Good points, but what that was tried first. It's not an option in most. | Oct 06 05:13 |
| gulag2013 | Nutrition, isn't discussed | Oct 06 05:14 |
| gulag2013 | They won'd dare recommend that stop eating meat and dairy. There is no bad cholesterol in plants. | Oct 06 05:15 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: depends on the person. | Oct 06 05:15 |
| oiaohm | due to my dna faults I have to eat meat. | Oct 06 05:15 |
| gulag2013 | You can still choose what you eat,, | Oct 06 05:16 |
| gulag2013 | It doesn't have to be cows eating gmo grains. It can be grass fed etc.. | Oct 06 05:16 |
| oiaohm | I am latcose intollerent. | Oct 06 05:16 |
| gulag2013 | That's not a bad thing, most of the dairy isn't good for you. | Oct 06 05:17 |
| oiaohm | And I wish that people had looked at my diet earlier then I would not have missed like 3 years of my early schooling due to illness. | Oct 06 05:17 |
| gulag2013 | Oh sorry you suffered that. | Oct 06 05:17 |
| oiaohm | Latcose intollernet is nastly. Subpress imunine system. | Oct 06 05:17 |
| oiaohm | No other symtoms. | Oct 06 05:17 |
| gulag2013 | So they forced milk on you | Oct 06 05:17 |
| oiaohm | Basically I would catch any cold going and not be able to rid off it. | Oct 06 05:18 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: stupid think about being allergic at times. You like exactly what you are allergic to. | Oct 06 05:19 |
| gulag2013 | Yes I agree, I have reactions to sugar and caffeine. It takes all my willpower not to consume those things. | Oct 06 05:19 |
| oiaohm | No they were not forcing milk on me. Yes it takes all my will power not to cosume the stuff. | Oct 06 05:20 |
| gulag2013 | Well luckily there are more dairy alternatives coming out all the time. | Oct 06 05:20 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: there is a bacteria you can add to milk to break down the lactose. | Oct 06 05:21 |
| gulag2013 | Almond Milk and Coconut milks are really good for you. | Oct 06 05:21 |
| oiaohm | before you drink it. | Oct 06 05:21 |
| oiaohm | basically get milk put bacteria in leave it 2 days in fridge then its safe to drink. | Oct 06 05:21 |
| oiaohm | and particular cheeses don't contain lactose. | Oct 06 05:22 |
| gulag2013 | There is still the puss in dairy man. It's just not normal to be drinking another animals breast milk. We are the only animal doing that. | Oct 06 05:22 |
| oiaohm | Same kind of reason. Ie the yeast type consumed it. | Oct 06 05:22 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: You forgot cats. | Oct 06 05:24 |
| gulag2013 | I don't drink cat milk either, ha ha. I know what you meant | Oct 06 05:25 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: cats drink other amimals milk. | Oct 06 05:25 |
| gulag2013 | You do notice after they are past being kittens they don't do that | Oct 06 05:25 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: even big cats. | Oct 06 05:26 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: even adult cats will. | Oct 06 05:26 |
| gulag2013 | I have never seen a grown cat nursing | Oct 06 05:26 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: not nursing. | Oct 06 05:26 |
| gulag2013 | I will take you word on it. | Oct 06 05:26 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: when they cosume pray big cats willk drink the breast milk out. | Oct 06 05:27 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: its all about extracting as much from a kill possible. | Oct 06 05:27 |
| gulag2013 | Will they eat the whole animal raw, and have the stomach designed for that. | Oct 06 05:27 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: tigers and some big cats love full cream milk as rewards. | Oct 06 05:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie cattle milk. | Oct 06 05:28 |
| oiaohm | What is close to there normal pray. | Oct 06 05:28 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: the difference is volume. | Oct 06 05:28 |
| gulag2013 | A cows normal predator? | Oct 06 05:29 |
| oiaohm | Cats as adults take milk from other creatures as treaks. | Oct 06 05:29 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: big cats. | Oct 06 05:29 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: afica where most of the cattle breeds start the normal creature to kill them is big cats. | Oct 06 05:29 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: so yes part right abotu drinking another animals breast milk in volume is abnormal. But there are other animals that drink other creatures milk in small volumes. | Oct 06 05:31 |
| gulag2013 | Thank you for reminding me, good point I have seen my cats drink milk. | Oct 06 05:32 |
| gulag2013 | Here int the states they have pushed dairy as being vital for our health. That simply isnt' the case. You can get all you need from plants. | Oct 06 05:33 |
| oiaohm | And some of the milk problem is human stupidity. A1 and A2 milk. A1 cattle produce more milk due to a dna alteration. But also is less human compadible. A2 milk cattle produce less milk but is more human compadible. | Oct 06 05:33 |
| oiaohm | Majority of the cattle milk on shelves is A1 milk. | Oct 06 05:33 |
| gulag2013 | I didn't know that. I know they boil it so it really has no nutrition left. | Oct 06 05:34 |
| gulag2013 | They come after Raw milk sellers | Oct 06 05:35 |
| oiaohm | gulag2013: wrong on the no nutrition left. | Oct 06 05:36 |
| gulag2013 | What could be left, after heating it at such high temps | Oct 06 05:36 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm just that was odd. | Oct 06 05:59 |
| gulag2013 | You get kicked off the internets ? | Oct 06 06:00 |
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