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iophkhttp://nypost.com/2013/10/04/undercover-cop-stood-by-as-bikers-beat-dad/Oct 05 08:56
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iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/2013/10/nvidia-cripples-linux-drivers-windows/14883Oct 05 09:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Nvidia cripples Linux drivers because of Windows - Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/fu7qj ]Oct 05 09:19
iophkYet another reason closed, proprietary drivers have to go.Oct 05 09:20
iophkpushing Matt Asay: http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2013/10/02/open-source-is-good-and-all-but-proprietary-is-still-winning/Oct 05 09:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Open Source Is Good And All, But Proprietary Is Still Winning - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fu7r5 ]Oct 05 09:21
schestowitz_bed2mehOct 05 09:42
schestowitz_bed2iophk: iny major news we missed? I am still far far behind, with thousands of unread headlinesOct 05 09:42
schestowitz_bed2*anyOct 05 09:42
schestowitz_bed2I am still not sure how to proceedOct 05 09:42
iophknot much latelyOct 05 09:43
schestowitz_bed2One option is, scrape old stuff, catch up with what's latestOct 05 09:43
schestowitz_bed2the other option is, deal with all Sept. news even a month late provided it's relevantOct 05 09:43
iophkan unarmed woman was gunned down in DC and the papers are spinning it like it was her fault.  The actions leading up to the shooting are weird but she was out of the car when it happened.Oct 05 09:43
schestowitz_bed2This increases the liklihood of identifying important news, even if it's dealt with a month lateOct 05 09:43
schestowitz_bed2Not been keeping up with NSA, CIA, drones, etc.Oct 05 09:44
iophkMaybe you can work backwards through the queue starting with the latest.Oct 05 09:44
schestowitz_bed2Not a priority right now.Oct 05 09:44
schestowitz_bed2Yes, that's what I've been doingOct 05 09:44
iophkThe items that age well will still be there when you get to them.Oct 05 09:44
schestowitz_bed2Maybe I can catch up by xmas :-)Oct 05 09:44
iophkThere's probably no way to cover it all anyway.Oct 05 09:44
schestowitz_bed2Just added some ad banners for the host of TROct 05 09:45
iophkI don't see the banners on the main page.Oct 05 09:45
iophkBTW the "latest stories" feed is still broken but you know that still..Oct 05 09:45
iophkGNU 30th got surprisingly little coverage.Oct 05 09:46
iophkI think the 25h anniversary got more.Oct 05 09:46
iophkIIRCOct 05 09:46
iophkThere's been a fair amount of discussion of the Silk Road take down.Oct 05 09:51
iophkMost of it is still speculationOct 05 09:51
iophkand all the possibilities have included the probability of "parallel construction" even if it is not named explicitlyOct 05 09:52
iophkNot named (that I see) is the role of dangerous and insecure methods like IRC in breaking the case.Oct 05 09:52
iophkI figure the ease with which it helps track people is one of the driving forces in popularizing IRC.Oct 05 09:55
iophkAlso its ephemeral nature means that any clever, insightful or informative discussion that might actually happen is lost.Oct 05 09:59
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iophkOn the web it sticks around a bit longer, usually at least until the site goes under with a new owner.Oct 05 10:08
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/nsa_using_firefox_flaw_to_snoop_on_tor_users/Oct 05 10:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | NSA using Firefox flaw to snoop on Tor users • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fu8bc ]Oct 05 10:48
schestowitz_bed2LOL http://25.media.tumblr.com/d07ad1926cbf2939193c10fdbd31d4f6/tumblr_msgr6pnFnM1reysmlo1_250.gifOct 05 10:53
MinceRgeekingsOct 05 13:46
gulag2013Silk Road got hit?Oct 05 13:56
gulag2013I wouldn't know anything about that, if it wasn't for Adam Curry talking about ordering drugs from there. Oct 05 13:57
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3141095Oct 05 16:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA using Firefox flaw to snoop on Tor users http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/nsa_using_firefox_flaw_to_snoop_on_tor_users/ #tor #nsa #cracking #surveillanceOct 05 16:02
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 16:03
schestowitz_bed2The Register really sucks these days. This article is misleading and incomplete.Oct 05 16:03
schestowitz_bed2First off, the problem with the Torbundle browser was Windows only. Wired Called out Windows in article about an FBI attack on TOR networks, what's wrong with The Register these days? As Techrights noted, using TOR on Windows is Epic Failure.Oct 05 16:03
schestowitz_bed2Recently, a Windows botner doubled the number of Tor nodes. Oh yeah, they published an article about that but left out the Windows and Microsoft keywords, so they know better. Given that GCHQ's goal is to expand the number of compromised nodes, people we should suspect criminal government activity for it.Oct 05 16:03
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 16:03
schestowitz_bed2http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/09/malware_culprit_fingered_in_mysterious_tor_traffic_spike/Oct 05 16:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Malware culprit fingered in mysterious Tor traffic spike • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fuady ]Oct 05 16:03
schestowitz_bed2http://techrights.org/2013/08/07/windows-with-tor/Oct 05 16:03
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Using Windows With TOR is Like Wearing Makeup to Dodge CCTV | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fuadz ]Oct 05 16:03
schestowitz_bed2http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/Oct 05 16:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fiz5d ]Oct 05 16:03
schestowitz_bed2Firefox gets a bad name for being used on Windows.Oct 05 16:04
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3141607Oct 05 16:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux was a replacement for GNU Hurd, not the other way around http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Kernel-Replacement-GNU-Hurd-0-5-Released-After-16-Years-387510.shtmlOct 05 16:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel Replacement, GNU Hurd 0.5, Released After 16 Years  [ http://ur1.ca/fuae6 ]Oct 05 16:05
schestowitz_bed2"What advantages does Hurd provide over Linux?"Oct 05 16:05
schestowitz_bed2microkernel, gplv3-licensedOct 05 16:05
schestowitz_bed2iophk: http://fossforce.com/2013/10/microsoft-five-years-road/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=microsoft-five-years-roadOct 05 16:14
TechrightsBot-trfossforce.com | Microsoft Five Years Down the Road - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/fuagu ]Oct 05 16:14
schestowitz_bed2lots of nonsense thereOct 05 16:14
Sosumiin a perfect world, M$ five years down the road = filling for bankruptcyOct 05 17:07
MinceRin a perfect world, it would have never existed :>Oct 05 17:28
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/386529120081182720Oct 05 18:07
TechrightsBot-tr@jmcest: Rotten Walled Garden Fruit RT @schestowitz Nvidia cripples Linux drivers bc of Windows http://t.co/iymh71eCZZ #microsoft ruins everythingOct 05 18:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | Nvidia cripples Linux drivers because of Windows - MuktwareOct 05 18:07
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/PowerEnhanced/status/386530331198631937Oct 05 18:07
TechrightsBot-tr@PowerEnhanced: @schestowitz: women are permitted to exclude men, but they scream a lot when men exclude women... I endorse both options.Oct 05 18:07
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137537Oct 05 18:09
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: "All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry."Oct 05 18:09
schestowitz_bed2"Dr Roy, Dawkins has been retreating from the 'selfish gene' ever since he first published the idea. It is an unscientific idea that doesn't prove anything."Oct 05 18:09
schestowitz_bed2The regret he has is that politicians misrepresented his work to do nasty things. The title was ill chosen.Oct 05 18:09
schestowitz_bed2"The regret he has is that politicians misrepresented his work to do nasty things. The title was ill chosen."Oct 05 18:10
schestowitz_bed2"Cameron - try looking it up."Oct 05 18:10
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3142184Oct 05 19:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OpenLogic overlooks the risk of EULA and proprietary lock-in, antifeatures, back doors, etc. to make FOSS look bad http://www.openlogic.com/blog/bid/318553/Choosing-a-Scanning-Solution-The-Cost-of-a-Mis-HireOct 05 19:23
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.openlogic.com | Choosing a Scanning Solution – The Cost of a "Mis-Hire"  [ http://ur1.ca/fubkx ]Oct 05 19:23
schestowitz_bed2"With licensed commercial code, this process is usually easier, because you only need to look for the binaries provided to you by your vendor. Easier = Impossible. It is more likely that commercial software has copied copyrighted code - the profit motive. And, of course it can then be hidden easier..."Oct 05 19:24
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iophkhttp://bsdly.blogspot.ca/2013/10/the-hail-mary-cloud-and-lessons-learned.htmlOct 05 20:10
TechrightsBot-trbsdly.blogspot.ca | That grumpy BSD guy: The Hail Mary Cloud And The Lessons Learned  [ http://ur1.ca/fubjk ]Oct 05 20:10
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Sosumithe problem is that M$ was a necessary evil just like the Symbolics vs Lisp Machines war was necessaryOct 05 21:39
Sosumiand Unix being out of reach of the common folkOct 05 21:39
Sosumifor things like the GNU project and linux to come outOct 05 21:39
Sosumiif those events hadn't happen, well, we'd be much better now for sureOct 05 21:40
Sosumibut they happenedOct 05 21:40
MinceRno, m$ was never necessaryOct 05 21:40
SosumiM$ just took it over from DECOct 05 21:41
MinceRwas DEC ever so fraudulent as m$?Oct 05 21:41
SosumiI wasn't alive back them to tell :)Oct 05 21:41
Sosumi*thenOct 05 21:41
MinceR:)Oct 05 21:41
Sosumibut yeah M$ is fraudulent just like appleOct 05 21:44
Sosumitwo companies that I'd enjoy watching them crash to the ground and burnOct 05 21:44
MinceRso would iOct 05 21:45
cubezzzno, DEC was just slowOct 05 21:56
cubezzztrying to sell 70's era tech in the 80'sOct 05 21:57
cubezzzbut they gave use PDP's which is coolOct 05 21:57
cubezzzs/use/us/Oct 05 21:57
cubezzzsome of the DEC stations were really slow, like 286 slowOct 05 21:58
cubezzzso the cheap x86 PCs took overOct 05 21:58
Sosumiyeah, but one of the key guys from DEC came to M$Oct 05 22:44
Sosumiand from that NT was bornOct 05 22:44
MinceRCutler?Oct 05 22:44
SosumiI guessOct 05 22:45
MinceRwasn't he given instructions that completely destroyed the point of the design? :>Oct 05 22:45
Sosumihow so?Oct 05 22:46
MinceRthings like putting the window manager in the kernel "because it will be faster" (it wasn't)Oct 05 22:46
MinceRbreaking the separation between subsystemsOct 05 22:46
Sosumiwait, NT has the window manager built into the kernel?Oct 05 22:47
MinceRsomething like thatOct 05 22:47
SosumilawlOct 05 22:47
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Sosumihttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Windows_2000_architecture.svgOct 05 22:55
Sosumiyeah it is thereOct 05 22:55
MinceRand they have the gall to use the word "microkernel" in the diagramOct 05 22:57
MinceRmaybe in the microsoft language, "micro" stands for "bloated beyond all repair"Oct 05 22:57
Sosumiwell, apple also calls XNU microOct 05 22:57
MinceRtwo sides of the same coinOct 05 22:58
SosumiyeahOct 05 22:58
DaemonFCThey've been pushing a lot of things out of the kernel in recent Windows releases.Oct 05 22:58
DaemonFCSome of it they had to do to make their DRM work better.Oct 05 22:58
DaemonFC:POct 05 22:58
MinceRthat's niceOct 05 22:58
MinceRmaybe winblows will be Ready For The Desktop™ in 2030Oct 05 22:59
MinceR:>Oct 05 22:59
DaemonFCYou can't reliably kill the graphics and sound drivers if they're in the kernel.Oct 05 22:59
MinceRwho knows maybe they'll rip the USB stack out of FreeBSDOct 05 22:59
MinceRs/ws/ws,/Oct 05 22:59
SosumilolOct 05 22:59
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DaemonFChttp://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/east_boston/2011/08/in_east_boston_the_last_voyage.htmlOct 05 23:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.boston.com | Your Town - Boston.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fud0k ]Oct 05 23:16
DaemonFCThey spent $100,000 trying to restore the ship. Then in 2008, they found a homeless man living in it and made him leave, so the guy came back and sabotaged the ship.Oct 05 23:17
DaemonFCObama is now threatening people on Social Security.Oct 05 23:20
DaemonFCHe's saying that retirement checks won't go out next month.Oct 05 23:20
SosumiObozo could just execute an executive order demmanding all gov agencies essentialOct 05 23:21
Sosumiand bypass congressOct 05 23:21
DaemonFCHe should first declare that everything is essential.Oct 05 23:21
MinceRhe doesn't have the guts for thatOct 05 23:21
Sosumior maybe he's just playing politricksOct 05 23:22
DaemonFCThen he should declare that the debt ceiling is unconstitutional and ignore it.Oct 05 23:22
DaemonFCThe debt ceiling is unconstitutional and invalid.Oct 05 23:22
DaemonFCCongress is obligated to pay for everything it enacts, under the fourteenth amendment.Oct 05 23:22
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DaemonFCIf he did that, then the Republicans would be unable to threaten a government shutdown or a default ever again.Oct 05 23:24
SosumiyeahOct 05 23:24
DaemonFCThey could go back to doing little or nothing and it wouldn't matter.Oct 05 23:24
DaemonFCThe only constitutionally valid way for Congress to refuse to pay for something is by voting to repeal it and then having the President sign the bill that repeals it.Oct 05 23:25
DaemonFCOtherwise it should be funded indefinitely.Oct 05 23:25
DaemonFCNo president has ever challenged the constitutionality of the debt ceiling, We never even had one until 1917.Oct 05 23:26
DaemonFCTheir lies about the Social Security lock box are revealed when this happens.Oct 05 23:27
DaemonFCThey claim that there's close to three trillion dollars set aside for Social Security, but then they can't actually pay anybody unless Congress authorizes more debt.Oct 05 23:28
DaemonFCThose treasury bills that Social Security has are supposed to be payable upon demand.Oct 05 23:28
Sosumiwell, they were the guys that were all ready to "bomb, bomb, bomb" Syria and IranOct 05 23:29
DaemonFCThey're saying that without the ability to take on more debt, there's nothing to pay those T-bills with.Oct 05 23:29
DaemonFCSo they reveal the truth. The US government is a debt machine and without the ability to take on more debt every month, nothing can be paid.Oct 05 23:29
Sosumiyep, just like pretty much every govOct 05 23:30
JimmyCarterhttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/looting-the-pension-funds-20130926Oct 05 23:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.rollingstone.com | Looting the Pension Funds: How Wall Street Robs Public Workers | Politics News | Rolling Stone  [ http://ur1.ca/fud3e ]Oct 05 23:30
DaemonFCSosumi, Yeah. That's just messed up. "Sorry folks, there's no money. Unless we want to start another war."Oct 05 23:30
DaemonFC"Then there's money!"Oct 05 23:30
DaemonFCThey keep talking about deficit reduction and somehow at the same time they talk about taking on billions more in spending to bomb Syria.Oct 05 23:31
MinceRif the debt keeps growing forever, then it's not being run properly, imoOct 05 23:31
Sosumiwell, money for the big boys that isOct 05 23:31
JimmyCarterwont grow foreverOct 05 23:31
JimmyCarterdefinite limits to status quo of borrowing propsperity from futureOct 05 23:31
DaemonFCWell, it can.Oct 05 23:31
DaemonFCAs long as the money supply keeps growing and creditors tolerate that.Oct 05 23:32
Sosumiit'll end up blowing in everyone's faceOct 05 23:32
JimmyCarterusa currently 73% debt-to-gdp ratio says CBOOct 05 23:32
Sosumiportugal currently at 123% and rising :POct 05 23:34
DaemonFCThat's what the bankers want.Oct 05 23:34
DaemonFCThey want endless government red ink.Oct 05 23:34
SosumiyeahOct 05 23:34
JimmyCarterthe federal income is about 10% of gdpOct 05 23:34
DaemonFCEvery year, the public grows more indebted to bankers for programs that could easily be paid for by slight tax increases on the wealthy.Oct 05 23:35
JimmyCarterso debt is currently at approx 7x federal incomeOct 05 23:35
Sosumibut you do know the wealthy put their money in trustsOct 05 23:35
JimmyCarteranalogoys to someone with 100k/yr job being 700k in debtOct 05 23:35
Sosumior create non profit foundationsOct 05 23:35
JimmyCarteranalogousOct 05 23:36
DaemonFCfirst comes the debt bombOct 05 23:36
DaemonFCthen comes the public pension lootingOct 05 23:36
DaemonFCthen comes the taxation bombOct 05 23:36
Sosumiso, increasing tax on the wealthy = killing middle classOct 05 23:36
Sosumialso yes, pension funds raiding and bail insOct 05 23:37
JimmyCarteryeah just like a credit card company, lenders are happy to collect interestOct 05 23:37
DaemonFCWell, it reminds me of a credit card company that says you have a $5,000 limit.Oct 05 23:37
DaemonFCThen when you get close to that, they up it to $10,000, then $20,000.Oct 05 23:37
JimmyCarterbut lenders are anyone and everyone who buys us bondsOct 05 23:37
SosumiexactlyOct 05 23:37
DaemonFCThe only time they stop increasing your limit is when they think that your ability to make the minimum payment (which doesn't get you out of debt) will be threatened.Oct 05 23:39
DaemonFCJimmyCarter, Well, it does matter who the creditors are.Oct 05 23:39
DaemonFCObviously, you want your own citizens holding your public debt.Oct 05 23:39
DaemonFCThen it becomes a transfer of funds instead of bleeding money out to foreign citizens and governments.Oct 05 23:40
DaemonFCIf your own citizens are earning the interest, then it's likely that they're going to reinvest that interest into the domestic economy at some point, in some way.Oct 05 23:41
JimmyCarteryeahOct 05 23:48
DaemonFChttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/10/03/remarks-president-government-shutdownOct 05 23:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.whitehouse.gov | Remarks by the President on the Government Shutdown | The White House  [ http://ur1.ca/fud6m ]Oct 05 23:48
DaemonFCThat's why everyone should save back some cash.Oct 05 23:48
DaemonFCAt least enough to get them through a couple of months.Oct 05 23:49
DaemonFCSocial Security checks may not go out next month.Oct 05 23:49
DaemonFCBut they'd probably work something out to where people get a double check in December or something.Oct 05 23:49
DaemonFCBut a lot of good that does if you run out of food and can't pay the rent in November.Oct 05 23:50
JimmyCarterForeign governments and investors hold 48% of the nation's public debt. The next largest part (21%) is held by other governmental entities, like the Federal Reserve and state and local governments. Fifteen percent is held by mutual funds, private pension funds, savings bonds or individual Treasury notes. The rest (16%) is held by businesses, like banks, and insurance companies and a mish-mash of trusts, businesses and investors. Oct 05 23:50
DaemonFCSocial Security alone holds over three trillion dollars.Oct 05 23:52
DaemonFCGuess who takes it up the tailpipe first when the government defaults.Oct 05 23:52
DaemonFCHint: Not the banksters.Oct 05 23:52
DaemonFCThere's another simple explanation for why the government just doesn't tax enough to run its programs.Oct 05 23:53
DaemonFCThe programs are popular, but the taxes aren't.Oct 05 23:53
DaemonFCBy running deficits, it can run popular programs while keeping taxes low (for now).Oct 05 23:53
DaemonFCThe entities that the government borrows from are happy to enable this because they keep getting their interest payments.Oct 05 23:54
DaemonFCThe program cuts and tax increases will take decades to pan out.Oct 05 23:54
DaemonFCand nobody who is in office right now will be there when that happens. So they have no reason to care.Oct 05 23:55
DaemonFCThe only collateral a government has in obtaining loans is the promise to raise taxes later.Oct 05 23:55
MinceRsee, the debt ceiling is not the issue :>Oct 05 23:57
DaemonFCIt is for the moment.Oct 05 23:58
DaemonFCMinceR, It's like saying that you'll have the triple baconator now so you won't starve, and don't worry about that massive heart attack.Oct 05 23:58
DaemonFCThat's thirty years from now.Oct 05 23:58
MinceR:>Oct 05 23:59
MinceRthe issue is all that spending that caused the debt to rise that highOct 05 23:59
JimmyCartera default will trigger credit rating downgrades and interest rate hikes that will crush the sputtering economyOct 05 23:59
DaemonFCYeah. It's an immediate concern.Oct 05 23:59
ANOTHER SOURCE:
schestowitzJimmyCarter: lolOct 01 00:17
prurigroJimmyCarter: I threw an archlinux filesystem ontop of my linux/android OS and ls --color works like a charm :)Oct 01 00:30
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MinceR003934 < Sosumi> for the privacy issues?Oct 01 01:34
MinceRindeedOct 01 01:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/384762624463753216?refsrc=emailOct 01 01:38
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: EU LIBE Inquiry on Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens - http://t.co/2uDM7Loql4 resource behind great talk (v @schestowitz) #nsaOct 01 01:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> anniemachon.ch | European Parliament LIBE Inquiry on Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens - Using Our IntelligenceOct 01 01:38
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iophkhttp://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/30/delta-pilots-fought-against-deal-to-replace-ipad-flight-bags-with-microsoft-surfaceOct 01 02:20
TechrightsBot-trappleinsider.com | Delta Pilots fought against deal to replace iPad flight bags with Microsoft Surface  [ http://ur1.ca/fsdfp ]Oct 01 02:20
iophkold - http://www.billparish.com/20011128msftupdate.htmlOct 01 02:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.billparish.com | Microsoft Pyramid Update  [ http://ur1.ca/fsdhl ]Oct 01 02:21
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iophkhttp://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/09/richard-stallman-on-the-hacker-spirit-at-mit/Oct 01 03:18
TechrightsBot-trblogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Hacker Spirit at MIT - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/fsemr ]Oct 01 03:18
iophk"What follows is part of a long interview I conducted with him in 1999, when I was carrying out research for "Rebel Code". Most of this is unpublished"Oct 01 03:18
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/microsoft-privacy-chief-nsaOct 01 03:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after NSA revelations | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsevq ]Oct 01 03:28
iophk"he only uses open source software where he can examine the underlying code."Oct 01 03:29
iophkIs he the first one of his kind?Oct 01 03:29
iophkNo non-competes or other clauses in his contract?Oct 01 03:29
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/snowden-says-his-sole-intention-was-to-prompt-national-security-debate/Oct 01 03:34
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Snowden says his sole intention was to prompt national security debate | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fsezm ]Oct 01 03:34
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/30/email-surveillance-could-reveal-journalists-sources-expert-claimsOct 01 03:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Email surveillance could reveal journalists' sources, expert claims | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsff0 ]Oct 01 03:55
MinceRgeekingsOct 01 04:02
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/10/compare-elop-to-his-predecessor-kallasvuo-one-was-bad-one-was-the-worst-ever.htmlOct 01 04:15
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Compare Elop to his Predecessor Kallasvuo. One was Bad. One was The Worst Ever  [ http://ur1.ca/fsfvs ]Oct 01 04:15
DaemonFCMinceR, Apparently you're exempt from the Obamacare penalty for not having health insurance if you had a financial hardship.Oct 01 04:27
DaemonFCThe list includes a utility shut off notice.Oct 01 04:27
DaemonFCSo why not just go a couple of months without paying the gas bill, waiting for them to send a shut off notice, and then pay it?Oct 01 04:28
DaemonFCThe late fee for that is only like $20, but it gets you out of the $695 Obamacare penalty for the year.Oct 01 04:28
DaemonFCJust do that every year and you save $675.Oct 01 04:28
*DaemonFC wonders if they stopped to think about how many people would figure this out.Oct 01 04:29
DaemonFChttp://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3312edf54c/hank-schrader-what-happens-nextOct 01 04:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.funnyordie.com | Hank Schrader: What Happens Next with Dean Norris from Dean Norris, Nick Wiger, Andy Maxwell, Brian Lane, Funny Or Die, Jessica Leigh Schwartz, and BoTown Sound  [ http://ur1.ca/fsg8p ]Oct 01 04:36
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/09/gendarmerie_linux/Oct 01 05:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | French National Police Switch 37,000 Desktop PCs to Linux | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsh2p ]Oct 01 05:29
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roy_iophk: quote?Oct 01 05:42
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384976864454131712Oct 01 05:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #nsa is suppressing journalism http://t.co/ugaSNPjBfmOct 01 05:43
iophkindirect quoteOct 01 05:44
roy_iophk: yeahOct 01 05:44
roy_well, he's a father now, that keeps him busyOct 01 05:44
roy_better for Linux and esp. GNUOct 01 05:45
roy_bblOct 01 05:45
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iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/microsoft-cant-even-get-it-interested-in-its-mobile-platform-227568Oct 01 06:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Microsoft can't even get IT interested in its mobile platform | Mobile Technology - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fshom ]Oct 01 06:10
oiaohmiophk: the bad part for Microsoft is once tizen sailfishos and ubuntu land its going to be even harder. Oct 01 06:11
oiaohmiophk: reason theses will bring a Android compadible market.Oct 01 06:11
iophkYes one of the features marketed about Sailfish is Android compatibilityOct 01 06:12
iophkI'm more interested in what it inherited from MeegoOct 01 06:12
oiaohmiophk: same with Tizen and UbuntuOct 01 06:12
iophkand FirefoxOSOct 01 06:12
oiaohmFirefox OS is targeted at lower end market.Oct 01 06:12
oiaohmand not android compadible.Oct 01 06:13
iophkAre there any plain phones out there?  Something that just makes calls and holds a charge for a week or two?Oct 01 06:14
oiaohmiophk: funny enough is that is firefox OS target.Oct 01 06:15
oiaohmiophk: http://www.geek.com/mobile/firefox-os-minimum-specs-cant-get-much-more-minimal-1541349/  Note the firefox min specs.Oct 01 06:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.geek.com | Firefox OS minimum specs cant get much more minimal | Mobile | Geek.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fshsl ]Oct 01 06:17
oiaohmiophk: 800 mhz single core processor with 256 megs ram.Oct 01 06:18
oiaohmiophk: or in otherwords I sip power configuration.Oct 01 06:18
iophkLow specs to be sure.  But there is no mention of how it performsOct 01 06:18
iophksmartphones are uninterestingOct 01 06:18
oiaohmthere are other reviews out there finding the performance very denent.Oct 01 06:19
oiaohmiophk: remember symbian OS was a stock and trade for a long time in the feature phones.Oct 01 06:20
oiaohmReally I miss the lack of flip phones.Oct 01 06:20
iophkor candy bars.  You could fit a lot of modern battery in that form factor now.Oct 01 06:20
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oiaohmiophk: ever seen the series eden of the east.Oct 01 06:22
iophknoOct 01 06:22
oiaohmiophk: eden of the east flip phone I would love to have.Oct 01 06:22
iophkdon't they break after some use?Oct 01 06:23
oiaohmiophk: I have a 10 year old flip phone I have used dayly.Oct 01 06:25
iophkmost netbooks or notebooks die physically long before that.Oct 01 06:26
iophkThe connection between the screen and the main box starts to go usually.Oct 01 06:26
oiaohmiophk: http://www.japanator.com/elephant/ul/9937-620x-edenoftheeastcellphone.jpg  NEC did up prototype of the phone then never put it into mass production.Oct 01 06:26
oiaohmiophk: the design is that you can stand it like a webcam on a desk as well as use as a phone.Oct 01 06:27
iophkstrangeOct 01 06:27
iophkkind of ugly thoughOct 01 06:28
iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documentsOct 01 06:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | NSA stores metadata of millions of web users for up to a year, secret files show | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fryeh ]Oct 01 06:28
oiaohmiophk: kind ugly is why I like it.   I phone is a tool so why should it look perfectly nice.Oct 01 06:31
oiaohmiophk: http://lightofthedawn.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/konachan-com-50838-higashi_no_eden.jpg  anime serries picture.Oct 01 06:32
oiaohmiophk: the romain numbers 1 to 12 on the phone in the series are individual peoples like logs/blogs of activies they are doing.Oct 01 06:34
oiaohmiophk: yes you could call it a true social media phone.Oct 01 06:34
oiaohmiophk: mind you nothing could be as ugly as my first phone that was a bag phone.Oct 01 06:36
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iophkIs this the same part of NIST that was infiltrated a few years ago by M$ to bend it into supporting OOXML?Oct 01 09:25
iophkhttps://threatpost.com/silent-circle-moving-away-from-nist-ciphers-in-wake-of-nsa-revelations/102452Oct 01 09:25
TechrightsBot-trthreatpost.com | Silent Circle Moving Away From NIST Ciphers in Wake of NSA Revelations | Threatpost  [ http://ur1.ca/fskk4 ]Oct 01 09:25
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iophkhttp://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon_2013_kde4/img25.htmlOct 01 09:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.openbsd.org | Slide 26  [ http://ur1.ca/fskwm ]Oct 01 09:52
iophkKDEOct 01 09:52
iophknot sure if it's seriousOct 01 09:53
MinceRwhere do they get metrics like this?Oct 01 09:54
iophkno source givenOct 01 09:54
MinceRi doubt it's seriousOct 01 09:54
iophkprobably not, it would be hard to guessOct 01 09:54
iophkThere aren't really any mechanism for monitoring usage in OpenBSDOct 01 09:54
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 01 12:13
DaemonFCIt's a good thing they're not hosting on Windows Server, or it would have totally collapsed and wouldn't even be loading the main page at this point. Oct 01 12:13
DaemonFC(on the health insurance exchange website)Oct 01 12:13
iophkbased on the Guardian article linked to earlier:Oct 01 12:14
iophkhttp://hothardware.com/News/Former-Microsoft-Privacy-Chief-Says-He-No-Longer-Trusts-The-Company/Oct 01 12:14
TechrightsBot-trhothardware.com | Former Microsoft Privacy Chief Says He No Longer Trusts The Company - HotHardware  [ http://ur1.ca/fsmxt ]Oct 01 12:14
iophkThis one has a map of the traffic through the USOct 01 12:14
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 01 12:23
DaemonFCWell, I've never had a problem with a Fedora update, but we have bittorrent and a few hundred mirrors with lots of bandwidth.Oct 01 12:23
DaemonFCIt doesn't surprise me that Apple's update servers get flaky. As long as your credit card gets billed first, they have no reason to care.Oct 01 12:23
DaemonFCMaybe Apple should just turn their customers computers into a mandatory botnet like certain other proprietary software does to keep their hosting costs down. It's not like the users have the power to make this sort of software stop doing nasty things to them. :) Oct 01 12:23
DaemonFC(in reply to someone that mentioned that Apple's update servers have issues on release days)Oct 01 12:24
DaemonFCAT&T has raised prices again.Oct 01 12:40
DaemonFCA basic phone line with no features is now $23 plus taxes and fees.Oct 01 12:41
roy_> FYIOct 01 13:45
roy_> Oct 01 13:45
roy_> http://infojustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Brazilian_Patent_Reform.pdfOct 01 13:45
roy_> Oct 01 13:45
roy_> Amongst others very interesting pages ten or so pages concerningOct 01 13:45
roy_> software patents ( beginning at page 199 ).Oct 01 13:45
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385097697222754305Oct 01 13:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft's legacy of violating privacy and lying about it http://t.co/LczjBXOBAr #microsoft #privacyOct 01 13:56
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MinceR182401 < DaemonFC> Maybe Apple should just turn their customers computers into a mandatory botnet like certain other proprietary software does to keep their hosting costs down. It's not like Oct 01 14:37
MinceR                   the users have the power to make this sort of software stop doing nasty things to them. :) Oct 01 14:37
MinceRhow do you know they aren't?Oct 01 14:37
MinceRthey totally own hypeDevices in a way people who paid for them don'tOct 01 14:37
Sosumihttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3NDEOct 01 14:57
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA Drops Linux Driver Feature Not Found On Windows  [ http://ur1.ca/fspaj ]Oct 01 14:57
Sosumimore "love" from nvidia Oct 01 14:57
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Sosumiaccording to Bernays, the inclusion of the rudimentary thumb scan on the hypePhone, was a concerted move between apple and cigar cutter manufacturers in order to sell cigar cuttersOct 01 15:01
Sosumitrue storyOct 01 15:01
Sosumiwith prosthectics manufacturers thrown somewhere in the middleOct 01 15:03
Sosumiand the conspiracy keeps building upOct 01 15:04
MinceR:)Oct 01 15:05
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sebsebseb Oct 01 15:13
Sosumisebsebseb, seb would be much more efficientOct 01 15:17
iophksosumi: irc can't do unicode in namesOct 01 15:17
Sosumishame on me thenOct 01 15:17
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sebsebsebSosumi: that would ruin my whole name thing toOct 01 15:24
sebsebsebit's got nothing too do with a 3 in the air Oct 01 15:25
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Sosumithat mathOct 01 15:32
Sosumispot the differencesOct 01 15:38
Sosumiwww.nasa.govOct 01 15:38
Sosumiwww.nsa.govOct 01 15:38
Sosuminsa finally updated :)Oct 01 15:39
SosumiI bet they were too busy editing "David Cameron's Camera ON"Oct 01 15:40
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iophkmarketeering disguised as 'research' http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1747235/the-memo-that-spawned-microsoft-researchOct 01 16:00
TechrightsBot-trtech.slashdot.org | The Memo That Spawned Microsoft Research - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fsqc6 ]Oct 01 16:00
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roy_1indeedOct 01 16:34
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385140466033131520Oct 01 16:34
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Uploaded about 150 photos from last month http://t.co/GznPwzOxbgOct 01 16:34
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | Around ManchesterOct 01 16:34
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385141106562039808Oct 01 16:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdotOct 01 16:36
roy_1Nathan Myhrvold and xconomyOct 01 16:37
roy_1typical MS talking pointsOct 01 16:37
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385141818037653505  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385142124444135424 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385143069680861184Oct 01 16:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Wilder than ski jump http://t.co/jY5JwCmfotOct 01 16:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Collaboration http://t.co/8Sa21tAm0JOct 01 16:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Two #Mormon 'missionaries' wasted two hours of my time (and my wife's) this morning. It's like traveling salesmen, theist edition...Oct 01 16:45
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3124228Oct 01 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Ubuntu continues to push the envelope and aggravate the community with each new release"' http://blog.linuxacademy.com/linux/ubuntu-linux-13-10-preview-docking-with-mir/Oct 01 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> blog.linuxacademy.com | Ubuntu Linux 13.10 Preview: Docking With Mir | Linux Academy Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/fs191 ]Oct 01 16:46
roy_1"Have been enjoying Linux Mint Debian Edition myself."Oct 01 16:47
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3126974Oct 01 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #nsa is suppressing journalism http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/30/email-surveillance-could-reveal-journalists-sources-expert-claimsOct 01 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Email surveillance could reveal journalists' sources, expert claims | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsff0 ]Oct 01 16:47
roy_1"Maybe, to protect leakers, someone could make a "lemmings" email program for journalists, scientists and government employees that would create regular bogus communications that could be filtered out by a message contained key phrase. The program could be distributed by Union of Concerned Scientists, government employee unions, etc. It would establish regular, random communications between the user and major newspapers."Oct 01 16:48
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128339Oct 01 16:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's legacy of violating privacy and lying about it http://hothardware.com/News/Former-Microsoft-Privacy-Chief-Says-He-No-Longer-Trusts-The-Company/ #microsoft #privacyOct 01 16:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> hothardware.com | Former Microsoft Privacy Chief Says He No Longer Trusts The Company - HotHardware  [ http://ur1.ca/fsmxt ]Oct 01 16:48
roy_1'Oct 01 16:48
roy_1"<sarcasm> WoW I am shocked </sarcaasm>"Oct 01 16:49
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/shut-day-humor-government-closedOct 01 17:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Shut Day Humor: Is The Government Closed? | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fss2y ]Oct 01 17:40
Sosumiwell ofc not, the "invisible" government composed by the military/intelligence industrial complex and special interest groups continue in sound operationOct 01 17:43
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/Db79A43.pngOct 01 18:22
MinceRgnOct 01 18:28
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pookitois anybody available for a quick question?Oct 01 20:59
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roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385293971398078464Oct 02 02:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: UK detention of Reprieve activist consistent with NSA's view of drone opponents as 'threats' and 'adversaries' http://t.co/gOUEf2ydb9 #fbiOct 02 02:44
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | UK detention of Reprieve activist consistent with NSA's view of drone opponents as 'threats' and 'adversaries' | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.comOct 02 02:44
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385295656329695232Oct 02 02:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after #NSA revelations http://t.co/AR84mWgK0p http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0 beyond complicityOct 02 02:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after NSA revelations | World news | theguardian.comOct 02 02:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsOct 02 02:50
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128913Oct 02 03:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdotOct 02 03:05
roy_1"Oct 02 03:05
roy_1I hardly look at that site anymore. It's another example of a communications channel that was infiltrated and subverted by Microsoft.Oct 02 03:05
roy_1Microsoft attaches itself like a cancer to everything cool in tech through their "Evangelism is War" way of life. Every one to many communications channel, OEM and vendor is targeted for conversion to complete Microsoft control or destruction. Representatives pretend to be members of the targeted group while spying and making trouble. They always aim for levers of control to eliminate opposition and further the conversion. A group only has Oct 02 03:05
roy_1to be infiltrated by a single Microsoft person for the process to begin. The Microsoft representatives will consume more and more resources until what's left of the disfigured group quits in disgust. The converted group pretends still be independent so that new, distant sites can be corrupted and ruined.Oct 02 03:05
roy_1"Oct 02 03:05
roy_1I wonder if microsoft still bribes professors for ads. It does bribe some for anti-Google rhetoric...Oct 02 03:06
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128938Oct 02 03:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #beliefs #atheistOct 02 03:12
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by pritam@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_1f0c135ff816d5799ae0.pngOct 02 03:12
roy_1"Sure????"{Oct 02 03:12
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128940Oct 02 03:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Two #Mormon 'missionaries' wasted two hours of my time (and my wife's) this morning. It's like traveling salesmen, theist edition...Oct 02 03:13
roy_1"Oct 02 03:14
roy_1Rule #1 with 'missionaries': Do not open the door. Failing that,Oct 02 03:14
roy_1Rule #2 with 'missionaries': Close the door ASAP. Failing that,Oct 02 03:14
roy_1Rule #3 with 'missionaries': Never allow them into your home. FT,Oct 02 03:14
roy_1Rule #4 with 'missionaries': Keep voodoo paraphernalia close at hand. Ask them where they have even done missionary work, carefully note any Africa and/or the Caribbean countries mentioned. There upon, pull out the 'dolls', ask them for a locks of hair and threads from their clothing, light black wax candles, advise them for their own health and safety that they should leave immediately, and then begin chanting in a language that, is most Oct 02 03:14
roy_1likely not to coincide with their travel experience. FT,Oct 02 03:14
roy_1Rule #5 with 'missionaries': Feign the voodoo spell went awry and advise them it is imperative you and/or your spouse seek assistance from a qualified Shaman. FT,Oct 02 03:15
roy_1Rule #6 with 'missionaries': Kiss hours goodbye.Oct 02 03:15
roy_1I'm guessing you were unaware of rules #1 - #5.Oct 02 03:15
roy_1"Oct 02 03:15
roy_1"Oddly enough, they never seem to want to hang out when I answer the door naked with a box of condoms in my hand."Oct 02 03:15
roy_1This wasn't at the door but at a bench in TownOct 02 03:15
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roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385303432170840064  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304027028021248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304429282738176  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304975586639872Oct 02 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: So I heard you want to try Linux http://t.co/V8gId1RXWX #gnu #linuxOct 02 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> netrunner-mag.com | So I heard you want to try Linux | Netrunner MAGOct 02 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Semplice 5 review  High Hopes http://t.co/LezH218wMh #gnu #linux #sempliceOct 02 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxbsdos.com | Semplice 5 review  High Hopes | LinuxBSDos.comOct 02 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ryan "icculus" Gordon Says Linux Viable Gaming Platform http://t.co/Tvtn3zDyRw #gnu #linux #gamesOct 02 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> ostatic.com | Ryan "icculus" Gordon Says Linux Viable Gaming PlatformOct 02 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Big names involved in #gnu #linux gaming  http://t.co/0qz48xsRO2 http://t.co/9JTf8vaDCZ http://t.co/0XXN7cZcWWOct 02 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.yahoo.com | Nvidia claims SteamOS partnership - Yahoo NewsOct 02 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.actiontrip.com | Valve Reveals Steam Machine ControllerOct 02 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.extremetech.com | Making sense of Valves Steam Box: Windows vs. Linux, OpenGL vs. DirectX, and the impact of support from AMD & Nvidia | ExtremeTechOct 02 03:28
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385306902437310464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385307689955250176Oct 02 03:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: [Video] Happy Birthday to GNU! <3 http://t.co/2P5plS5J8e days ago. #gnu #fsfOct 02 03:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.laquadrature.net | [Video] Happy Birthday to GNU! <3 | La Quadrature du NetOct 02 03:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: International Day of Non-Violence today https://t.co/uEVWUHDoiIOct 02 03:38
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385308141044662272  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385308588073574400Oct 02 03:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Faulty hardware https://t.co/QPwpUBMp9w # nsaOct 02 03:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Keep Off http://t.co/gWwUidnev9 photographer uses dog cruellyOct 02 03:42
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130388Oct 02 03:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Big names involved in #gnu #linux gaming  http://news.yahoo.com/nvidia-claims-steamos-partnership-144002916.html http://www.actiontrip.com/news/valve-reveals-steam-machine-controller/092713_8 http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/167541-making-sense-of-the-steam-box-windows-vs-linux-opengl-vs-direct3d-and-the-impact-of-support-from-amd-nvidiaOct 02 03:45
roy_1"But always remember that Valve is one of the godfathers of DRM. And the Steam client is closed source."Oct 02 03:46
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385312662969929728  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385314152161755136  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385314575329280000     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385315606909960192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385316176425144320Oct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 10 open-source alternatives for small business software http://t.co/I0HSe0IvGR #freeswOct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.pcworld.com | 10 open-source alternatives for small business software | PCWorldOct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Temper Pi http://t.co/Bp13kwnRVj "Raspberry Pi was announced, I knew I eventually would use one to power a beer fridge"Oct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Temper Pi | Linux JournalOct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Recovery hype: American Capitalism's weapon of mass distraction http://t.co/kawM9BDgVC #finance #debt #slavery #spinOct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> rdwolff.com | Recovery hype: American Capitalism's weapon of mass distraction | Professor Richard D. WolffOct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: CCTV #surveillance "bringing in 300m in revenue from parking enforcement" http://t.co/kZ4bKslhji but 'sold' as 'for security'Oct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk | Government signals end to CCTV use for parking fines | Big Brother WatchOct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: BBW focuses on Google, neglecting Stalin's dream, Microsoft (which is behind anti-Google PR) http://t.co/uxRSD0BLqr http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0Oct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk | Press comment: CNIL moves towards enforcement | Big Brother WatchOct 02 04:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsOct 02 04:13
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roy_1https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/385316532844126208Oct 02 04:16
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz while inflation is relatively low, it was higher than .4%, so really everyone else saw their income continue to drop.Oct 02 04:16
gulag2013Don't count Food or Energy. Oct 02 04:16
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MinceRhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wU_PwOMoYFg/Uksgilc_8aI/AAAAAAABDcg/qv153P_WqvQ/w800-h736-no/1381723_223469294480149_1555770665_n.jpgOct 02 04:25
roy_1"All in all, Mr. Elop stands to gain about $25.4 million. Its not all bad news for the new and downsized Nokia, however. It appears that 70% of that total will be paid by Microsoft, his once and future bosses. Welcome home, Mr. Elop."Oct 02 04:27
roy_1"All in all, Mr. Elop stands to gain about $25.4 million. Its not all bad news for the new and downsized Nokia, however. It appears that 70% ohttp://fossforce.com/2013/09/torvalds-diplomacy-elops-riches/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=torvalds-diplomacy-elops-richesf that total will be paid by Microsoft, his once and future bosses. Welcome home, Mr. Elop."Oct 02 04:27
TechrightsBot-trfossforce.com | Torvald's Diplomacy, Elop's Riches & More - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/ft4qz ]Oct 02 04:27
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385318129309872128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385318981147852800Oct 02 04:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "risk of cyber attacks on cars is growing dramatically." http://t.co/P82EpCDxfJ http://t.co/BpZKkHfgifOct 02 04:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Consortium plans to protect cars from cyber attacks LinuxGizmos.comOct 02 04:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.salon.com | Report: Michael Hastings feared his car had been tampered with - Salon.comOct 02 04:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: US websites should inform EU citizens about NSA surveillance, says report http://t.co/GBVVHsg2gW via http://t.co/1nkKFJAW9NOct 02 04:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.computerweekly.com | US websites should inform EU citizens about NSA surveillance, says reportOct 02 04:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> openstack.blogspot.co.uk | Open Stack: OpenStack 09/27/2013 (p.m.)Oct 02 04:28
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385321536288485376  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385321932549533697 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385321950580854784  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385322687062896640  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385322972040658944Oct 02 04:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: As debt 'crisis' (greed of lenders) deepens, the greater the push for wars and colonialism https://t.co/7ExOudI7WAOct 02 04:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Obama's plea for war on Syria sometimes looks like a businessman's endeavour. Even the language is similar.Oct 02 04:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Red Hat releases upgrade to older Red Hat Enterprise Linux: RHEL 5.10 http://t.co/Gt3BqmaSqM #redhat #gnu #linuxOct 02 04:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.zdnet.com | Red Hat releases upgrade to older Red Hat Enterprise Linux: RHEL 5.10 | ZDNetOct 02 04:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Remote Desktop Access Update http://t.co/W2dcWfqZ1z better in #gnu #linux than in other platformsOct 02 04:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.montanalinux.org | Remote Desktop Access Update | MontanaLinux.orgOct 02 04:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Pisi 1.0 goes RC!  http://t.co/uJbpriTOy9 #pisi #gnu #linuxOct 02 04:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Pisi 1.0 goes RC!Oct 02 04:41
iophkhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Secret-3G-Radio-in-Every-Intel-vPro-CPU-Could-Steal-Your-Ideas-at-Any-Time-385194.shtmlOct 02 04:48
TechrightsBot-trnews.softpedia.com | Secret 3G Radio in Every Intel vPro CPU Could Steal Your Ideas at Any Time  [ http://ur1.ca/ft522 ]Oct 02 04:48
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385326270592331776   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385327558172368896    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385327926054760448   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385328233539194880  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385328658459938816Oct 02 05:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Intel "chip is visible to the 3G network, even when the PC is not powered on". Boycott #Intel http://t.co/Rja8GJB3qn http://t.co/VdKKrDFE21Oct 02 05:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Intel Crimes and Offences - TechrightsOct 02 05:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> chattahbox.com | New York Sues Intel for Antitrust Crimes of Bribery and Coercion | ChattahBox News BlogOct 02 05:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Even poor people are getting easier to tag and track now http://t.co/tDcQ5fH8RoOct 02 05:02
TechrightsBot-trCouldn't resolve host 'www10.nytimes.com' ( status 0 @ http://www10.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/developing-countries-surge-in-mobile-broadband-u-n-finds/?=ref=global-home&_r=6& )Oct 02 05:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Internet came from the US military. Many people delude themselves into thinking it's now "ours". But know where root servers are. #nsaOct 02 05:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The technology for wi-fi meshes/p2p that are independent from central authorities available for decade+, actively suppressed by oligopolyOct 02 05:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: OLPC was not a challenge only to Wintel. Its infrastructure for networks was a disruptive force which -- if arrived here -- would crush $Oct 02 05:02
iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/02/microsoft-investors-reportedly-press-for-bill-gates-to-step-downOct 02 05:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Microsoft investors reportedly press for Bill Gates to step down | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/ft5au ]Oct 02 05:06
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329367217606656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329814682730496   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385330142526320640Oct 02 05:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Google datacentres are being synchronised over Internet. Which means, the #NSA can intercept any data replicated within Google. MACs too.Oct 02 05:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Android camera/microphone (just separate streams) is accessed remotely by the NSA, based on a Wall Street Journal report (2013).Oct 02 05:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft investors want the criminal out (not just Ballmer) http://t.co/tIKqq3Qd6Q but you need criminals to run a crime syndicateOct 02 05:08
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/nacchio_claims_nsa_set_him_up/Oct 02 05:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | 'The NSA set me up,' ex-con Qwest exec claims  The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/ft5mp ]Oct 02 05:26
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iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/2013/10/gnu-three-decades-old-happy-birdthday/14518Oct 02 07:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | GNU is three decades old, happy birdthday! - Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/ft76a ]Oct 02 07:18
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roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329367217606656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385329814682730496   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385330142526320640Oct 02 08:11
roy_1http://www.lessig.org/2013/09/there-will-be-live-streaming-of-constitutional-accountability/Oct 02 08:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.lessig.org | There will be live streaming of Constitutional Accountability | Lessig  [ http://ur1.ca/fpmz5 ]Oct 02 08:11
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roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385331715507757056  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385332090407235585   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385332466678267904   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385376857107202048  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385379479226699776Oct 02 08:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: A decade ago I was rather proud to be reading and commenting in Slashdot. These days my views of the site are exceptionally negative.Oct 02 08:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The founder of Slashdot is now working for #bezos and serving an Establishment paper that the #CIA actively uses for #propagandaOct 02 08:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Our independent media is being crushed by money. It's all about money. Truth does not necessitate money, usually the opposite is true.Oct 02 08:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 'The NSA set me up,' ex-con Qwest exec claims http://t.co/csUyDJrn7h #nsa #cia tactics if trueOct 02 08:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: GNU is three decades old, happy birdthday! http://t.co/w6KAnHjG8p is that #ubuntu #unity behind him?Oct 02 08:25
iophkcrap UI from hell : http://meta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1849218/come-try-out-slashdots-new-design-in-betaOct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-trmeta.slashdot.org | Come Try Out Slashdot's New Design (In Beta) - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/ft89i ]Oct 02 08:28
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385381043068751872 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385381704602767360Oct 02 08:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Cameron: let me pass wealth to the rich (lenders) http://t.co/uPu2ASA4tcOct 02 08:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.ft.com | Cameron urges voters let him finish the job of cutting deficit - FT.comOct 02 08:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://t.co/8whSIRV1CkOct 02 08:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardwareOct 02 08:33
roy_1iophk: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385382428363485184Oct 02 08:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Slashdot is being demoted into just another blog http://t.co/jxvJyTTTGQOct 02 08:35
oiaohmsamsung also offers a few devices with custom connectors.Oct 02 08:39
roy_1http://pod.asap-soft.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_d58a1d9a66e2eb8bc7fe.jpgOct 02 08:41
roy_1Shopped. She'd have to get her head closer to reach his pecker.Oct 02 08:42
iophkThe Dice move is designed to kill it off.  It was too FOSSOct 02 08:42
MinceRindeedOct 02 08:43
MinceRthe keystone2, for exampleOct 02 08:43
oiaohmIn theory apple could keep the lighting connector if they add a micro usb on the case somewhere to change from.Oct 02 08:50
iophkaren't micro-USB plugs fragile?Oct 02 08:51
MinceRafaik they aren'tOct 02 08:51
oiaohmiophk:micro-usb are in fact quite tough.Oct 02 08:52
iophkThat's good.Oct 02 08:52
iophkIf used for charging they are going to see a lot of abuse.Oct 02 08:52
oiaohmiophk: in fact a issue can be that it takes the socket out the phone if its not connect to the phone well enough.Oct 02 08:53
oiaohmiophk: someways the plug and socket of micro-usb is too srong.Oct 02 08:53
oiaohmsrong/strongOct 02 08:53
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383169064984576  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128Oct 02 08:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Newell http://t.co/f8SUjsvulC #valve #arrogance claims?Oct 02 08:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Greek Golden Dawn party leader due in court  http://t.co/4YAM3WN38W #nazism in #greeceOct 02 08:56
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.aljazeera.com | Greek Golden Dawn party leader due in court - Europe - Al Jazeera EnglishOct 02 08:56
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130627Oct 02 09:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Android camera/microphone (just separate streams) is accessed remotely by the NSA, based on a Wall Street Journal report (2013).Oct 02 09:02
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130627Oct 02 09:02
roy_1"I don't know why but I'm not surprised ^^"Oct 02 09:03
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130612Oct 02 09:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Internet came from the US military. Many people delude themselves into thinking it's now "ours". But know where root servers are. #nsaOct 02 09:03
roy_1"wireless communities are the way out"Oct 02 09:03
oiaohmroy_1: core fault in wifi network is still not fixed.Oct 02 09:04
roy_1yeahOct 02 09:04
roy_1"maybe for a reason"Oct 02 09:05
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131105Oct 02 09:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://hothardware.com/News/EU-Votes-to-Make-All-Smartphone-Vendors-Utilize-a-Standard-Charger/Oct 02 09:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware  [ http://ur1.ca/ft8t4 ]Oct 02 09:05
roy_1"Microsoft & Apple, same struggle"Oct 02 09:05
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130856Oct 02 09:05
TechrightsBot-tr@joan51@pod.asap-soft.com: Oct 02 09:05
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by joan51@pod.asap-soft.com: http://pod.asap-soft.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_d58a1d9a66e2eb8bc7fe.jpgOct 02 09:05
roy_1"But it is understood that it's all about"Oct 02 09:06
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roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131162Oct 02 09:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is being demoted into just another blog http://meta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1849218/come-try-out-slashdots-new-design-in-betaOct 02 09:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> meta.slashdot.org | Come Try Out Slashdot's New Design (In Beta) - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/ft89i ]Oct 02 09:32
roy_1"I cried out in disgust when I saw the revamp. It burns."Oct 02 09:32
roy_1http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/microsoft-skydrive-and-open-document.htmlOct 02 09:37
TechrightsBot-trmandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Microsoft SkyDrive and Open Document Files  [ http://ur1.ca/ft9cv ]Oct 02 09:37
roy_1http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/microsoft-skydrive-and-open-document.htmlOct 02 09:43
roy_1" What I do not understand is if the legal action has legs... After all, Gmail users have been informed previously about the practice and must consent to it in order to open a Gmail account."Oct 02 09:43
roy_1Does Microsoft not read them?Oct 02 09:43
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385400133791522816Oct 02 09:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Games! Steam in Mageia 3  http://t.co/ETFy2Uj20a not just #ubuntu but all of #gnu #linuxOct 02 09:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> mandrivachronicles.blogspot.co.uk | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Games!  Steam in Mageia 3Oct 02 09:50
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385383701879984128Oct 02 09:51
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iophkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/ilija-trojanow-nsa-criticism_n_4024595.htmlOct 02 10:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Ilija Trojanow, German Writer, Banned From US For Criticizing NSA  [ http://ur1.ca/ft9zz ]Oct 02 10:20
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roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385417926276571136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385418502708154368   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385419210840887296   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385419664123502592  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385420183923589120Oct 02 11:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: This is why myself and some friends of mine aren't even interested in visiting the US anymore http://t.co/MkHGKGxOV4Oct 02 11:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: German citizens don't require visa to enter US, but it's not nationalism but ideas that scare the biometrics-loving admin.They have mine.Oct 02 11:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Having spent past hours looking at flights & visa reqs' (planning Singapore visit), can't help recalling Erdos' denial of access to US [1/2]Oct 02 11:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Liberalism wrt access without barriers & harassment required for building fantastic economy. Remember  https://t.co/rTBzEJgOzL [2/2]Oct 02 11:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> en.wikipedia.org | The New Colossus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOct 02 11:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Bush & Obama  eras show ascent of cognitive  dissonance among the ruling class. US citizens should reclaims their country from the 1%.Oct 02 11:07
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roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385422074044743680Oct 02 11:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: If you acquire fingerprint data (10 fingers) from a German going to present at conference, then your immigration policy is probably broken.Oct 02 11:16
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iophkold - http://blog.billparish.com/2008/10/29/estate-tax-and-tax-equity-bill-gates-sr-battles-son-bill-gates-jr-and-grover-norquistwarren-buffett-weighs-in/Oct 02 11:42
TechrightsBot-trblog.billparish.com | Estate Tax and Tax Equity: Bill Gates Sr. Battles Son Bill Gates Jr. as Grover Norquist and Warren Buffett Weigh In | Bill Parish -  Parish & Company Registered Investment Advisor  [ http://ur1.ca/ftb46 ]Oct 02 11:42
iophkhttps://medium.com/p/d48995e8eb5aOct 02 13:53
TechrightsBot-trmedium.com | How Dread Pirate Roberts (Silk Road) got caught.  MediumOct 02 13:53
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iophkhttp://www.ehackingnews.com/2013/10/silk-road-taken-down-by-fbi.html Oct 02 15:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.ehackingnews.com | Silk Road taken down by FBI  - E Hacker News  [ http://ur1.ca/ftdt0 ]Oct 02 15:20
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roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131162Oct 02 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is being demoted into just another blog http://meta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1849218/come-try-out-slashdots-new-design-in-betaOct 02 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> meta.slashdot.org | Come Try Out Slashdot's New Design (In Beta) - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/ft89i ]Oct 02 16:47
roy_1"RIP, Slashdot."Oct 02 16:47
MinceRslashdot died long agoOct 02 16:47
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roy_1"Their schools program is still going strong. They try to round up children into Facebook and kiddie versions of Facebook. This seems to be part of Bill Gates effort to privatize education. My daughter is dealing with an obnoxious "common core" curriculum and still has Edumodo shoved on her by the gifted and talented program. Her ordinary courses use Moodle, which is terribly backward but probably the result of Microsoft lobby power. I'm not Oct 02 16:48
roy_1sure what's going on at the University level today, but wiretapping laws forced nasty stuff like Cisco that leaned heavily towards Microsoft."Oct 02 16:48
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128913Oct 02 16:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdotOct 02 16:49
roy_1Moodle is great. I installed it twice and will document some manual work I have done moving away from proprietary systems.Oct 02 16:50
iophkcall marketeering as research and you're golden.Oct 02 16:51
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131105Oct 02 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://hothardware.com/News/EU-Votes-to-Make-All-Smartphone-Vendors-Utilize-a-Standard-Charger/Oct 02 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware  [ http://ur1.ca/ft8t4 ]Oct 02 16:51
roy_1Moodle is great. I installed it twice and will document some manual work I have done moving away from proprietary systems.Oct 02 16:51
roy_1As the author points out, you can charge via USB with no problem with the right cable (or an adapter). If the author took a moment to consider what problems the Lightning connector solves (no need for multiple ports, no need to put additional circuitry into devices to support those ports, no need to power that unneeded circuitry) you'd realize that Apple's solution to the problem is vastly superior to having a USB port for charging and saves Oct 02 16:51
roy_1power, costs less for most users, and is generally better.Oct 02 16:51
roy_1The EU might be better served focusing its efforts on getting other device manufacturers to save power and contain less unused and duplicate circuitry.Oct 02 16:51
roy_1As the author points out, you can charge via USB with no problem with the right cable (or an adapter). If the author took a moment to consider what problems the Lightning connector solves (no need for multiple ports, no need to put additional circuitry into devices to support those ports, no need to power that unneeded circuitry) you'd realize that Apple's solution to the problem is vastly superior to having a USB port for charging and saves Oct 02 16:51
roy_1power, costs less for most users, and is generally better.Oct 02 16:51
roy_1The EU might be better served focusing its efforts on getting other device manufacturers to save power and contain less unused and duplicate circuitry.Oct 02 16:51
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roy_1"Nokia only had one charger for all their phones. It's funny how that's forgotten now."Oct 02 16:52
MinceRnopeOct 02 16:52
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MinceRthey had a thick charger, then a 2mm charger, then micro-usbOct 02 16:52
MinceRbut retained the 2mm charger for low-end phones at least for a whileOct 02 16:53
roy_1Nokia is no more. In 2011 it was turned into bodyparts and sold in pieces to Microsoft trolls, Microsoft, and some of its money got funnelled into the bank account of a mole.Oct 02 16:53
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130507Oct 02 17:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "risk of cyber attacks on cars is growing dramatically." http://linuxgizmos.com/consortium-plans-to-protect-cars-from-cyber-attacks/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/21/report_michael_hastings_feared_his_car_had_been_tampered_with/Oct 02 17:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Consortium plans to protect cars from cyber attacks LinuxGizmos.com  [ http://ur1.ca/ftew9 ]Oct 02 17:00
roy_1"Almost all new cars have remote kill switches. No consumer infotainment systems are required to screw the driver. It's non free software and that is always used against the user."Oct 02 17:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.salon.com | Report: Michael Hastings feared his car had been tampered with - Salon.com  [ http://ur1.ca/ftewb ]Oct 02 17:00
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-02/irans-cyber-warfare-head-assassinatedOct 02 19:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Iran's Cyber Warfare Commander Assassinated | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/ftgij ]Oct 02 19:21
Sosumicourtesy of prince Bandar Bin Sultan and the five dancing israelisOct 02 19:22
JimmyCarteri dont remember if i cried when i read about our raided site.  but something touched me deep inside, the day the silk road died.  =(Oct 02 19:22
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DaemonFCThose credit card reward programs have been scaled back quite a bit.Oct 02 22:21
DaemonFCMy bank called me and told me that they were going to downgrade my card to one with no rewards program, so I called them and told them that if they wanted to do that, they could cancel my account. So they ended up moving me to a card with a better rewards program.Oct 02 22:23
DaemonFCThey know that people get junk mail all the time and probably wouldn't even have read that.Oct 02 22:23
DaemonFCThen they won't notice that their annual rebate check stopped coming in the mail.Oct 02 22:23
DaemonFCIt only happens once a year so it's probably easy to miss.Oct 02 22:24
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roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3132761Oct 03 02:14
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![Alt text](https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1375002_10202072469675801_1208603084_n.jpg)Oct 03 02:14
roy_1"Well, I'm from Brazil and live in Brazil. Unfortunately I can assure you it is true. Sad, but true. =("Oct 03 02:14
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roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131105Oct 03 03:34
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is ruining standards, #eu rightly upset http://hothardware.com/News/EU-Votes-to-Make-All-Smartphone-Vendors-Utilize-a-Standard-Charger/Oct 03 03:34
TechrightsBot-tr-> hothardware.com | EU Committee Votes to Make All Smartphone Vendors Utilize a Standard Charger - HotHardware  [ http://ur1.ca/ft8t4 ]Oct 03 03:34
roy_1"|Nokia is no more, hail to Jolla :D|"Oct 03 03:34
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385649991450378240Oct 03 03:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Red Hat leads way to certify OpenStack pros  http://t.co/TxoXC88VeP  #redhat the #gnu #linux backer wants them to use RHELOct 03 03:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.zdnet.com | Red Hat leads way to certify OpenStack pros | ZDNetOct 03 03:35
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385669933155495936Oct 03 03:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Nutritional promises http://t.co/m3I107MS8cOct 03 03:41
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385671484133609472Oct 03 03:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Edward Snowdens E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show http://t.co/C0yZMaPjKv  #fbi #emailOct 03 03:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.com | Edward Snowden's E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show | Threat Level | Wired.comOct 03 03:45
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385673795530686464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385674217066610688  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385674598567919616Oct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics Project http://t.co/HJFwYmdJsP #nvidia #linux #JeromeGlisseOct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics ProjectOct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Klaus Knopper Interview  http://t.co/AYEIcgSrmi #knopper #knoppix #gnu #linuxOct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.everydaylinuxuser.com | The Klaus Knopper Interview ~ Everyday Linux UserOct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Debian Project News - September 30th, 2013 http://t.co/FQHI58x9AO  #debian #gnu #linuxOct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.debian.org | Debian Project News - September 30th, 2013Oct 03 04:02
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675041004089344   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675466990190592  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385675721466982401Oct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: SolydX 201309 Review: Simple, effective and efficient, as good as Linux Mint!  http://t.co/JyesS193gG http://t.co/HZmPbt7v4t #debian spinOct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk | Linuxed - Exploring Linux distros: SolydX 201309 Review: Simple, effective and efficient, as good as Linux Mint!Oct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk | Linuxed - Exploring Linux distros: SolydK 201309 Review: Rock-solid Debian spin offering KDE 4.11.1Oct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Tales from Linux Kernel 3.11 Development  The Kernel Column http://t.co/x6pslt6Ygc #linux #kernelOct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxuser.co.uk | Tales from Linux Kernel 3.11 Development  The Kernel Column | Linux UserOct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Open source snapshot: GhostBSD http://t.co/hNhxQg3zma #ghostbsd #unix #bsdOct 03 04:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techworld.com.au | Open source snapshot: GhostBSD - open source, FreeBSD - GNOME - Open Source - TechworldOct 03 04:02
DaemonFChttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-20-Alpha-MATE-Compiz-Screenshot-Tour-387078.shtmlOct 03 04:04
TechrightsBot-trnews.softpedia.com | Fedora 20 Alpha MATE/Compiz Screenshot Tour  [ http://ur1.ca/ftl9j ]Oct 03 04:04
DaemonFCHeisenbug?Oct 03 04:05
DaemonFCI guess that was inspired by Breaking Bad?Oct 03 04:05
DaemonFC"A man opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me!?"Oct 03 04:06
DaemonFC"I am the man who knocks!"Oct 03 04:06
DaemonFCB-)Oct 03 04:06
DaemonFChttp://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/10-baddest-the-bathtubOct 03 04:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.amctv.com | Breaking Bad - The Bathtub: 10 Baddest  AMC  [ http://ur1.ca/ftlbg ]Oct 03 04:09
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFbOAIWjJMOct 03 04:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | breaking bad acid scene - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/ftlc9 ]Oct 03 04:11
DaemonFCoh damn itOct 03 04:12
DaemonFCWhy do people on Youtube have to add that stupid song to everything?Oct 03 04:12
iophkzero-day is just a marketing term : http://www.eweek.com/security/microsoft-ie-zero-day-flaw-exposure-widens.htmlOct 03 04:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.eweek.com | Microsoft IE Zero-Day Flaw Exposure Widens  [ http://ur1.ca/ftlib ]Oct 03 04:30
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/lavabit-defied-order-for-snowdens-login-info-then-govt-asked-for-sites-ssl-key/Oct 03 04:34
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Lavabit got order for Snowdens login info, then govt demanded sites SSL key | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/ftljk ]Oct 03 04:34
iophkno mention of the real weak point being Windows, even not counting the intentional back doors, it is the weak spot in both security and maintenance  : http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/security/3471745/former-nsa-cio-slams-fortune-100-companies-security/Oct 03 04:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworlduk.com | Former NSA CIO slams Fortune 100 companies' security - ComputerworldUK.com  [ http://ur1.ca/ftll3 ]Oct 03 04:39
prurigroiophk: how is zero day a marketing term?Oct 03 04:47
iophkthe flaw has always been there and many people know about itOct 03 04:48
prurigrooh, you mean in this caseOct 03 04:49
iophkthe marketers like to pretend it is a surpriseOct 03 04:49
prurigrozero day doesn't mean new thoughOct 03 04:49
prurigroit means no exploit has been built for itOct 03 04:49
iophkthey like to pretend it is new, also there are often exploits for it, as we learn after the factOct 03 04:49
prurigroor rather, nothing has been built to exploit it, or however that should be worded :)Oct 03 04:49
iophkusuallyOct 03 04:49
prurigroand word, well, no known exploitsOct 03 04:49
iophkor rather, nothing the vendor is willing to admit toOct 03 04:49
prurigroif someone's come up with one that isn't in the wild yet, that's the risk you take using something with an unpatched zero dayOct 03 04:50
iophkthere have been many instances of vendors (especially one in particular) pretending that exploits are not available and not in use when they really have beenOct 03 04:50
prurigroare you special enough for someone to out their exploit? can the exploit be used en masse all at once?Oct 03 04:50
prurigroword, I'd argue its more likely that noone knows yet, publically, so obviously the best angle for PR is to assume exploits don't exist and haven't been usedOct 03 04:51
prurigrothough I've definitely heard of companies covering up having had their own servers attacked due to exploits to keep their users feeling safeOct 03 04:52
iophkyes, the PR goes from the lie that exploits don't exist and haven't been used, when all that really means is that there is none that the vendor is currently willing to faceOct 03 04:52
iophkpubliclyOct 03 04:52
prurigrowho knows how much stuff like that spreads behind doorsOct 03 04:52
iophkbehind doors at the vendor, and behind "doors" in the black hat communitiesOct 03 04:53
prurigrothe good thing about open source is that people are more concerned with getting things fixed than PROct 03 04:53
iophkyes, that is a strong advantageOct 03 04:53
prurigroblack hat communities are often more trade/payment based in respect to exploits; otherwise people sit on them without discussing their existenceOct 03 04:53
iophkM$ has been manipulating the stats for years, a decade maybe, to hid the slow incompetent responsesOct 03 04:54
prurigromost corporations that hide behind closed doors do this, I wouldn't single M$ out-- many are guilty, and its a good reason to use foss stuff in generalOct 03 04:54
iophkI would expect that the really good exploits are held closely guarded and not used when less valuable ones can be used insteadOct 03 04:54
prurigronot even to mention purposefully inserted backdoors and suchOct 03 04:54
iophkyes many vendors, M$ may be worst, but others are bad too.Oct 03 04:55
prurigrowhy do you say M$ is the worst?Oct 03 04:55
iophkhistorically they have beenOct 03 04:55
iophkor would it be Cisco now?Oct 03 04:55
prurigroI mean, this is a situation where we know many companies have done this, but don't know how often or how much any company hasOct 03 04:55
prurigroAdobe: flash?Oct 03 04:56
iophkLOLOct 03 04:56
iophkI forgot Flash.Oct 03 04:56
iophkand AdobeOct 03 04:56
iophkthey might be worst of allOct 03 04:56
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iophkI am surprised that Flash has not been actively purged from the net.Oct 03 04:57
iophkYet people still use it and act as if nothing is wrong with it.Oct 03 04:57
iophkEven stupider people base public services on it.Oct 03 04:57
prurigrowe need to wait for everyone to rewrite everythingOct 03 04:57
prurigroin html5Oct 03 04:57
prurigroflash has already been declared dead by adobe iircOct 03 04:57
iophkThe decision to use Flash instead of video is only made by jackasses, but then there is no shortage of those.Oct 03 04:58
prurigrokinda like netflix and silverlightOct 03 04:58
iophkThat's another decision that makes no sense.Oct 03 04:58
prurigrowell I mean, some guy wants a website with videos and knows enough to look for some package he can drop on his site or somethingOct 03 04:58
prurigrofinds a flash based video player and it seems to work, so he goes with itOct 03 04:58
prurigronot everyone's paying attention to all the politics and changesOct 03 04:59
prurigroand word, netflix using silverlight does make sense because silverlight has good drmOct 03 04:59
iophkIf one wanted to attribute sinister motives to the whole thing, there are groups with an interest in getting backdoors on users' machines.  Flash does that nicely, gives control of the mike and the camera, too.Oct 03 04:59
prurigrothey really just need to write their own browser plugin until html5 gets its drm extension though imoOct 03 04:59
prurigroword, yeah, I definitely don't run flash on my compyOct 03 05:00
iophkdrm in HTML5 is not set yet, that may be a 3rd party add onOct 03 05:00
prurigroon that note, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/?src=api is fantastic :)Oct 03 05:00
TechrightsBot-traddons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox  [ http://ur1.ca/ftltb ]Oct 03 05:00
prurigroI thought the w3 decided for sure that it was in, but as a separate spec?Oct 03 05:00
iophkYoutube does not have a large percentage of HTML5 videos yet.  many are still in FlashOct 03 05:00
prurigrodid you see the plugin I just pasted?Oct 03 05:01
prurigroconverts flash videos to their html5 counterpart and then loads them in the youtube html5 video player :)Oct 03 05:01
iophkInteresting.  Thanks.Oct 03 05:01
prurigrowell, all of that simultaneouslyOct 03 05:01
MinceRgeekingsOct 03 05:02
prurigroreason youtube keeps some in flash btw, is because their ads only work with flashOct 03 05:02
prurigroMinceR: ahohohoyOct 03 05:02
MinceRj0h0h0Oct 03 05:02
prurigroand a bottle of rumOct 03 05:02
gulag2013I was playing with Minitube for Ubuntu, that seems to work fine without the use of flash. Is it me are do videos appear to load faster without flash?Oct 03 05:03
MinceR:)Oct 03 05:04
prurigrothere might be hardware decoder for non-flash versions?Oct 03 05:04
prurigrowhichever format the browser you're talking about is usingOct 03 05:04
gulag2013Ya, not sure I know that the XBMC addon for youtube works fine too. Oct 03 05:05
prurigroincluding videos that are normally using flash?Oct 03 05:05
prurigroyoutube-dl works nicely too on a side noteOct 03 05:05
prurigroif you have a little disk spaceOct 03 05:05
gulag2013Oh yes, that is if you just want to download them and watch later right?Oct 03 05:06
prurigroor right now then delete them, in whatever formatOct 03 05:06
prurigroeven if its strictly flv, mplayer and vlc both play that nicelyOct 03 05:06
prurigrono flash requiredOct 03 05:06
prurigroyou could even download to /tmp (assuming its a ramdisk) if you didn't want any additional writes, thinking about itOct 03 05:07
gulag2013Cool thanks, I haven't tried to stream them. I was learning how to set the formats.Oct 03 05:07
prurigro(thinking SSDs here)Oct 03 05:07
prurigroyou mean with youtube-dl?Oct 03 05:08
prurigroin my bashrc I have: alias yt-dl='youtube-dl -t --max-quality mp4'Oct 03 05:08
gulag2013Yes, I know the defaults were high qualityOct 03 05:08
prurigrosaves with the title, uses the max quality and prefers mp4 (which most devices have a hardware decoder for)Oct 03 05:08
prurigrois high quality the default?Oct 03 05:08
gulag2013I believe so, the files were large. Oct 03 05:09
prurigroword, there was a time when it wasn't, but maybe that's changedOct 03 05:09
prurigrothe lowest quality on that note is sometimes hilariously smallOct 03 05:09
prurigroI was 'borriwing' wifi once and didn't want to suck up too much bandwidth, so I dl'd minimum quality and the resulting video was barely the size of 12pt fontOct 03 05:10
gulag2013Oh, well we are all on the same path. I have tried everything from gnash to a viewtube greasemonkey plugin. Sill have flash on my machine. For now anyway. Oct 03 05:11
prurigrodid you see that plugin I pasted?Oct 03 05:11
prurigroassuming you use firefox (which you should)Oct 03 05:12
gulag2013Was that the HTML5 one?Oct 03 05:12
prurigrohttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/Oct 03 05:12
TechrightsBot-traddons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox  [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ]Oct 03 05:12
gulag2013I did install it, Thanks just haven't found were it is on my firefoxOct 03 05:12
prurigrooh, like, you disable/uninstall flashpluginOct 03 05:12
prurigroand magically any youtube videos that weren't html5 before will be converted on the flyOct 03 05:12
prurigro(disable the popup complaining you don't have flashplayer)Oct 03 05:13
gulag2013Ya, I'm used to seeing that popup, ha haOct 03 05:13
prurigroI thought you had flashplugin? :)Oct 03 05:13
gulag2013I do, I was speaking from my past attempts trying other plugins Oct 03 05:14
prurigroahh, touche hahaOct 03 05:14
prurigrowell, this one works for nowOct 03 05:14
gulag2013Nagging you to install the flash spywareOct 03 05:14
prurigrololOct 03 05:14
prurigrofirefox is supposed to sandbox flash right?Oct 03 05:14
gulag2013can we use your camera and mic, and then change those settings everyday back to defaultOct 03 05:15
prurigrolol, hopefully it doesn't know how to enable your camera without turning the light on too :)Oct 03 05:16
gulag2013I'm a little crazy and leave the built in cam covered. I have trust issues. Oct 03 05:18
prurigrololOct 03 05:18
prurigroif you're using a fully foss OS and software, you should probably be ok; probably :)Oct 03 05:19
gulag2013In windows it was fairly easy to disable in device manager, not sure what I'm doing in Ubuntu yet. Oct 03 05:19
prurigrooh hrm, ubuntu might not be the best distro if you have trust issues hahaOct 03 05:19
gulag2013Really, well it's better you tell me now. Oct 03 05:20
prurigrore:windows, I definitely wouldn't trust anything I've done to be the case if anyone they're friends with don't want it to be anymoreOct 03 05:20
prurigroubuntu, by default, sends the stuff you type in searches for programs and files to ubuntu, who then forwards them to amazonOct 03 05:21
prurigrohttp://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-doOct 03 05:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.fsf.org | Ubuntu Spyware: What to do?  Free Software Foundation  working together for free software  [ http://ur1.ca/bw4j6 ]Oct 03 05:21
prurigroyou can disable it, but when it comes to open source, I feel like using a particular project is akin to voting with your wallet for capitalismOct 03 05:22
gulag2013That started in 12.10. What are the odds that is happening in 12.04. I don't use the Dash much, but I appreciate the warning. Oct 03 05:22
prurigroahh, you're still on an older one eh? odds are lower, though ubuntu is still a poor example of a free OS in a number of waysOct 03 05:22
prurigrofedora on the other hand, is particularly shiningOct 03 05:23
prurigroif you want something that's still user friendlyOct 03 05:23
gulag2013I do have my privacy settings set. Yes you are right, Fedora is clean?Oct 03 05:23
prurigroit's really secure by default too-- firewall, selinux etcOct 03 05:23
gulag2013Is that what Selinux is based from Fedora?Oct 03 05:23
prurigroit's clean, 100% foss by default (you'll want to add a repo if you want binary graphics drivers and the like), and has some pretty secure defaults while staying user friendlyOct 03 05:23
prurigroselinux is actually developed by the NSA, but its 100% foss and has been reviewed many many times-- the NSA also uses it interallyOct 03 05:24
gulag2013The use Yum? What are the packages, what do you use at the moment?Oct 03 05:24
prurigrorpm are the packages, and fedora is the free distro by redhat, one of the biggest companies in linux, and most responsible in terms of respecting and contributing to foss/linuxOct 03 05:25
prurigroI use archlinux, which is an amazing distro in a number of ways, but not necessarily something one should start on as its more complex (and its benifits are more for those who like to hack around)Oct 03 05:25
gulag2013I'm going to have to check it out, I really haven't spent much time with Fedora, I tried Suse. Oct 03 05:26
gulag2013Arch is way over my league Oct 03 05:26
prurigrosuse, at least when I was looking at it in the late 90s and early 2000s was pretty heavily based on redhat (now fedora)Oct 03 05:26
prurigrowhen you're looking at fedora, you download an installer for a particular desktop, so you might want to look at the ones available and decide in the mean timeOct 03 05:27
prurigroyoutube videos and the desktops' respective websites and suchOct 03 05:27
gulag2013Are you saying they are different sizes. I looked at a Debain download that was over 4 gigs. Oct 03 05:28
prurigrokde and gnome are the heavier more complete desktops, and xfce is still pretty user friendly while being lighter on the resources (though more like windows xp than windows 8)Oct 03 05:28
prurigrothey're different sizes too, though if you have a modern computer I'd decide based more on the type of environment you picture yourself usingOct 03 05:29
prurigroKDE: http://kde.org/workspaces/plasmadesktop/ GNOME: http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ and XFCE: http://www.xfce.org/about/screenshotsOct 03 05:30
TechrightsBot-trkde.org | KDE - Plasma DesktopOct 03 05:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnome.org | GNOME 3 | GNOMEOct 03 05:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.xfce.org | Screenshots - XfceOct 03 05:30
prurigro(look at the 4.10 ones for xfce)Oct 03 05:30
gulag2013Okay, I will have to research that, but I would like to get familiar with some Redhat based distros. KDE had way to many options for me. Oct 03 05:31
prurigrohttp://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops <- different desktopsOct 03 05:31
TechrightsBot-trfedoraproject.org | Fedora Project - Get Fedora: Desktops, Other Formats, Spins, Cloud Images or Secondary Arches.  [ http://ur1.ca/821f4 ]Oct 03 05:31
prurigrohaha, yeah, I personally like gnome 3 the mostOct 03 05:31
iophkhttp://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/10/richard-stallman-on-the-painful-birth-of-gnu/Oct 03 05:32
TechrightsBot-trblogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/ftd8k ]Oct 03 05:32
prurigrothe configuration exposed by default is really simple and makes up the core of what you'd likely really want to tweak, but its also almost infinitely extendable (has a regedit type settings system + https://extensions.gnome.org/)Oct 03 05:32
TechrightsBot-trextensions.gnome.org | GNOME Shell ExtensionsOct 03 05:32
gulag2013I was just going to say, I may go with gnome Oct 03 05:32
prurigroword, well then :)Oct 03 05:33
prurigroit was unpopular at first, so I'm always apprehensive about suggesting it, but I really like it so yeah hahaOct 03 05:33
prurigrofor someone who needs to go through every single config option, KDE is a mess :)Oct 03 05:34
prurigroit also doesn't look nearly as good somehowOct 03 05:34
gulag2013This is nice to have choices. Na, I was running Elementary a few weeks ago, I like minimalism Oct 03 05:34
prurigroahh, so you've played around with desktops a bit then eh?Oct 03 05:35
prurigrowhat distros?Oct 03 05:35
prurigroor all ubuntu?Oct 03 05:35
gulag2013A few mostly all Ubuntu, Oct 03 05:35
prurigrowordOct 03 05:35
gulag2013Would you say Debian based distros?Oct 03 05:36
prurigrofor ubuntu?Oct 03 05:36
prurigroor ubuntu derivatives?Oct 03 05:36
prurigroI suppose ubuntu derivative somewhat implies debian based as wellOct 03 05:37
gulag2013Is mint considered a ubuntu derivative/Oct 03 05:37
prurigrolast I checked they had one directly based off debian and on based off ubuntuOct 03 05:37
prurigronot sure if that's still the case thoughOct 03 05:37
prurigroahh yeah, seems it isOct 03 05:37
prurigrolinux mint debian would be the debian based oneOct 03 05:38
prurigrodirectlyOct 03 05:38
gulag2013Okay, it does get a little confusing, with all the desktops. Oct 03 05:39
prurigrogood thing about fedora btw, is that it uses systemd for services and other backend stuff, which is becoming a standard many distros are moving to (meaning universal graphical config utils too) as well as a much more solid way to manage things, and it also uses packagekit for its package management guisOct 03 05:39
prurigrowhich plug into pretty much any distro's package managerOct 03 05:39
prurigroso you're learning one distro, but you'll be able to switch to quite a few others with the same skills you pick upOct 03 05:40
prurigroinstad of only other debian based ditrosOct 03 05:40
gulag2013Thanks, I'm still learning the file structure etc.. I was concerned about learning only one flavor of linuxOct 03 05:42
prurigrothe file structur is very similar across the boardOct 03 05:43
prurigroprograms are split into a few key areas of /usr, system config is in /etc, personal files and user config goes into respective home directories in /home etcOct 03 05:44
iophkgulag2013: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb/fhsOct 03 05:45
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxfoundation.org | FHS | The Linux Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/ftm6l ]Oct 03 05:45
iophkNot as good as the old site.  try "man hier" in the terminal, that gives about the same overview.Oct 03 05:46
prurigroservices used to (and still are by debian and a few others) be done using scripts that could be run to start/stop them and temporary files with an ID number for a process stored somewhere to keep track, but systemd has created a framework that keeps track of everything, so services that die can alert you or restart automatically and logs can be loadedOct 03 05:46
gulag2013iophk, Thank you for that, I'm very overwhelmed, but I don't want to give up. Oct 03 05:46
prurigrodebian wants to avoid systemd because its not compatible with BSD, and gentoo developed its own similar but different systemd-like setupOct 03 05:46
gulag2013Wait a second, BSD is Unix isn't it?Oct 03 05:47
prurigrogulag2013: if you want to actually learn the basics in a much more simple setup like those of us who started back in the day were lucky enough to have been able to doOct 03 05:47
prurigroyou should get http://ttylinux.net/ and load it into a VMOct 03 05:48
TechrightsBot-trttylinux.net | ttylinux homepageOct 03 05:48
prurigroBSD is unix, yesOct 03 05:48
iophkThe LinuxFoundation has some serious usability issues with their FHS part of the site. Oct 03 05:49
gulag2013That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSDOct 03 05:49
iophkHere is the latest standard:Oct 03 05:49
iophkhttp://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_2.3/Oct 03 05:49
TechrightsBot-trrefspecs.linuxfoundation.org | FHS 2.3 Specifications  [ http://ur1.ca/ftm82 ]Oct 03 05:49
iophkMost of the distros try to follow that, even if they end up deviating in practice.  Oct 03 05:49
prurigrogulag2013: BSD is a bit of an underdog and carries a rather different philosophy on open source than linux, so sometimes you'll find users making a lot of noise about it since linux is typically the default choice new users move towardsOct 03 05:50
gulag2013You said you were lucky with learning, what did you mean by that. I know I would benefit from some hands on real world stuff. Oct 03 05:52
prurigrolike, back in the day there was less to linux than there is today, or at least it feels that way-- and there was also less built ontop to make things easier, which meant all the user friendly guides floating around were structured to configuring /etc/fstab and stuff like thatOct 03 05:54
gulag2013Anyway, I appreciate being pointed in a few directions. Oh so it wasn't as compartmentalized as it is today?Oct 03 05:55
prurigrottylinux is a very very minimal distro (no graphics, almost the minimum set of packages required for a system to run etc), which is why its a good distro to show you the key aspects of a working system (vs the extra stuff)Oct 03 05:55
gulag2013That is what I need to be doing, and with nautilus I'm not forcing myself to learn that. Oct 03 05:56
prurigroits always been compartmentalized, being opensource and such-- there are just more layers nowOct 03 05:56
prurigroI used to have a sheet of paper with terminal commands and what they do written on them sitting beside the computersOct 03 05:57
prurigrocomputer*, and I'd add to it each time I looked something upOct 03 05:57
prurigroeventually they just sank inOct 03 05:57
roy_1[10:49] <gulag2013> That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSDOct 03 05:57
roy_1Juniper is occupied by MicrosoftOct 03 05:57
roy_1it also FUDs AndroidOct 03 05:57
prurigroAndroid has FUD? I thought the facts were pretty creepy already lolOct 03 05:58
gulag2013What is that? Jupiter has been compromised by Ms?Oct 03 05:58
iophkHP; Juniper and Cisco are all M$ now.  Are there any networking companies not M$ now?Oct 03 05:58
iophkgulag2013: Juniper: http://rcpmag.com/articles/2011/11/01/the-executive-march-from-microsoft-to-juniper-networks.aspxOct 03 05:59
TechrightsBot-trrcpmag.com | 12 Microsoft Execs Who Made the March to Juniper Networks -- Redmond Channel Partner  [ http://ur1.ca/ftmbo ]Oct 03 05:59
iophkLike roaches, where there is one, there are many.Oct 03 05:59
gulag2013Ha ha, no i think we are talking two different things. :"The Linux Action showOct 03 05:59
prurigrololOct 03 05:59
gulag2013Jupiter broadcasting Network. Oct 03 05:59
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roy_1Linux Action Show is quite FOSS-hostile at timesOct 03 06:01
roy_1But with Bryan out there's hope for improvementOct 03 06:01
prurigroin what way?Oct 03 06:01
roy_1Matt Hartley is not that badOct 03 06:01
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gulag2013Bryan was an arrogant something Oct 03 06:01
roy_1prurigro: just watch what they say about RMS, FSF, GPL, etc.Oct 03 06:01
roy_1!google linux action show techrightsOct 03 06:01
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Is Jupiter Broadcasting's Linux Action Show Anti-GNU ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/05/05/linux-sucks-fud/Oct 03 06:01
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Links 16/8/2013: Tropico 5 for GNU/Linux, KDE 4.11 ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/08/16/kde-4-11-released/Oct 03 06:01
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - TechBytes Episode 86: Debian GNU/Linux and Firmware | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/24/techbytes-episode-86/Oct 03 06:01
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Novell/SUSE is Microsoft in Linux | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/06/microsoft-in-linux/Oct 03 06:01
prurigroroy_1: haha, well I mean, it sounds like they like their BSD license according to gulag2013, so I'd say that's pretty par for courseOct 03 06:02
prurigrothe fsf and rms are far from perfect, tooOct 03 06:02
JimmyCarterim depressed they busted DPR, i thought that guy was like John Hancock.Oct 03 06:02
JimmyCartermaking me realize what i moral outrage i think drug prohibition isOct 03 06:03
JimmyCarter_so many_ persecuted.  (for pursuit of happiness, heh)Oct 03 06:03
prurigroand the gpl has arguments against it; whether you agree with those arguments or not is a matter of personal philosophy though of courseOct 03 06:03
prurigroJimmyCarter: yeah :( I was watching the storycorps interview with him and his friend earlier tonight and he seemed like such a friendly, intelligent, creative guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh68DDUYVPM&html5=1Oct 03 06:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | StoryCorps Interview with Rene Pinnell and Ross Ulbricht (DreadPirateRoberts of Silk Road) - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/ftmda ]Oct 03 06:04
prurigromore like persuit of avoiding hard questions and maintaining obedience (depending on which drug you're talking about)Oct 03 06:05
JimmyCarter"happiness"Oct 03 06:06
JimmyCarterhehOct 03 06:06
prurigroat the end of the storycorps interview, he talks about where he'd like to be in 5 years and 20 years, and his answers were respectively having a family and changing the world for the better in some wayOct 03 06:09
prurigromade me sad :(Oct 03 06:09
JimmyCarterseems political groups subject to inversionary forces (like repbulicans being liberal and democrats conservative, and over history switching).  now christians are the anti-christ.  and government is anti-government.Oct 03 06:11
prurigroI feel like whoever is in charge likes the elimination of privacy because they have control over the information gleaned from said scenarioOct 03 06:12
prurigroand whoever's no in charge is horrified by the "other party" having access to this information, so they're against the elimination of privacyOct 03 06:13
prurigronot*Oct 03 06:13
JimmyCarteror government is anti-people.Oct 03 06:13
prurigrohence inversionary when the party in power flipsOct 03 06:13
JimmyCarterfor gods sake could we simply stop persecuting each other and maybe even pay the billsOct 03 06:13
prurigrogovernment in the US has grown unchecked to a point where it seems like many decisions are about self preservation (in the form its in) rather than for the peopleOct 03 06:14
prurigrogovernment itself isn't inherently eitherOct 03 06:14
prurigroand it can be goodOct 03 06:14
prurigroI'm glad I down live down there either wayOct 03 06:14
JimmyCartermaybe after US defaults on debt for first time something will changeOct 03 06:25
JimmyCarterpeople and the market will care more about electing reasonable peopleOct 03 06:25
prurigroI don't see good things happening if the US defaults on debt and the gov't collapsesOct 03 06:26
JimmyCarteri dont knwo exact details but think they can default "a little"Oct 03 06:27
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385706508618858496  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707000845565952     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707380669157376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385707934652825601Oct 03 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #NSA must really love #Microsoft right now http://t.co/Z2NbqyTw4d http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0Oct 03 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.eweek.com | Microsoft IE Zero-Day Flaw Exposure WidensOct 03 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsOct 03 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #nsa thinks that companies are easy to infiltrate (i.e. crack). It would know; that's what the NSA does. http://t.co/uetInDI7xsOct 03 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.computerworlduk.com | Former NSA CIO slams Fortune 100 companies' security - ComputerworldUK.comOct 03 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU http://t.co/4JZEidzq22 #gnu #fsf #historyOct 03 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> blogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Painful Birth of GNU - Open EnterpriseOct 03 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "I still use Linux on my main PC because I enjoy the flexibility and power it offers." http://t.co/JPJCa9QeQz #gnu #linuxOct 03 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> manilastandardtoday.com | A Mac for a Linux user - Manila Standard TodayOct 03 06:27
JimmyCarteronly the bonds coming due each day until agreement reachedOct 03 06:27
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385708928082149376  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385709592686387200   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385709957737644032    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385710415277457408Oct 03 06:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Reviews: First look at Tiny Core Linux 5.0 http://t.co/MrxQvq8EgN "this is not a "turnkey" distribution for general purpose use."Oct 03 06:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Oct 03 06:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: New Firefox 25 Beta Launched on All Available Platforms http://t.co/Z00eH2XFp2 strong brand, still? http://t.co/tFQcfLhRFROct 03 06:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | New Firefox 25 Beta Launched on All Available PlatformsOct 03 06:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.complex.com | No One Knows What the Firefox Logo is, and Last Night's Jeopardy! Proved It | ComplexOct 03 06:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Nouveau Keeps Pushing Forward With Improvements http://t.co/5zMA01ymdc #linux #graphicsOct 03 06:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Nouveau Keeps Pushing Forward With ImprovementsOct 03 06:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: SUSE is a goner http://t.co/SJbIyAAj4gOct 03 06:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.internetnews.com | Red Hat Doesn't See SUSE Linux as a Major Competitive Threat - InternetNews.Oct 03 06:28
prurigroshame they didn't shut down the NSA datacenter while the gov't was closedOct 03 06:28
prurigrothat takes a couple million in power each dayOct 03 06:28
roy_1prurigro:  what's with this shutdown meme?Oct 03 06:29
roy_1Some 4chan joke?Oct 03 06:29
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385710723739189248  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385711193190834176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385711635320811520Oct 03 06:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Fedora Linux 20 Gears Up to Be a Big Data Server  http://t.co/Pkc2xLa9fW better use CentOS. #fedora #redhat #gnu #linuxOct 03 06:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.serverwatch.com | Fedora Linux 20 Gears Up to Be a Big Data ServerOct 03 06:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Debian Edu / Skolelinux Wheezy  a complete Linux solution for your school http://t.co/viuYjU9ur2 #debian #educationOct 03 06:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.debian.org | Debian -- News -- Debian Edu / Skolelinux Wheezy  a complete Linux solution for your schoolOct 03 06:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? http://t.co/xMR8bdHpOW #slackware #gnu #linuxOct 03 06:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.makeuseof.com | Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You?Oct 03 06:29
gulag2013Nasa.gov is still down. I don't follow what is going on with the United States Corporation anymore. Oct 03 06:29
JimmyCarteryup... or shutdown the fbi targeting libertinesOct 03 06:29
JimmyCarteri would like to see fbi and cia agents in jail, congress members in jail, lobbyists in jail, bankers in jailOct 03 06:31
JimmyCarternsa agents in jailOct 03 06:31
iophkmanagers insteadOct 03 06:31
iophkthose are the decision makersOct 03 06:31
prurigroroy_1: shutdown meme? it literally shutdown (aside from manditory services)Oct 03 06:32
prurigroof which somehow the NSA is oneOct 03 06:32
JimmyCarterinstead the feds are busy hunting hacker kidsOct 03 06:33
gulag2013and Raw milkOct 03 06:33
JimmyCarterheres a helpful guideline for decidign who you should prosecuteOct 03 06:36
JimmyCarter1. are they hurting anyone?  2 are they abusing special privilege?  (ie looting public office to loot pension funds)Oct 03 06:36
gulag2013I started waking up a few years after 9/11. You don't want to wake up. Stay asleep. You can't have conversations  with family and friends anymore. Oct 03 06:37
iophkI'm not sure its a reliable source, but it is interesting : http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-hurting-the-entertainment-industry-121003/Oct 03 06:37
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Piracy Isnt Killing The Entertainment Industry, Scholars Show | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/ftmp8 ]Oct 03 06:37
prurigrogulag2013: you think? I find it makes for good convo with some folks- others who aren't interested still have intersets you can talk about :)Oct 03 06:39
roy_1[11:32] <iophk> those are the decision makersOct 03 06:40
roy_1Nurmberg trialsOct 03 06:40
iophkboth areOct 03 06:40
iophkI should clarify that the managers should be included even if they are not getting their hands dirty directly.Oct 03 06:41
gulag2013In a venue like this it's encouraged. I felt very alone with my views. Oct 03 06:41
roy_1same for organised religionsOct 03 06:41
prurigrothere should be oversight departments that keep others in checkOct 03 06:41
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roy_1Falwell ewt al.Oct 03 06:41
prurigrogulag2013: do you live in the US? up here in Canada people are pretty reasonableOct 03 06:42
roy_1Those who laugh like little devils while their peons abuse societyOct 03 06:42
gulag2013United States yes. Oct 03 06:42
roy_1prurigro: for nowOct 03 06:42
roy_1wait until the falwell's leave the bankrupt US and buy homes in Canada or China or Singapore etc.Oct 03 06:42
roy_1China as in HK or MacauOct 03 06:43
roy_1they wouldn't want their hands dirty in mainland china, only the globalist islands like seoul and japanaOct 03 06:43
roy_1*japanOct 03 06:43
prurigroroy_1: who are these falwells?Oct 03 06:43
roy_1*falwellOct 03 06:43
roy_1or *falwellsOct 03 06:43
roy_1I am tying while lying, so..Oct 03 06:44
roy_1prurigro: or cheneysOct 03 06:44
roy_1sociopaths who rally crowds or easily impressionable peopleOct 03 06:44
roy_1rallying for wars, theft, etc.Oct 03 06:44
prurigrooh hm, are there enough of them to influence an entire culture?Oct 03 06:44
prurigrowe got the equivalent of fox news up here (sun news) and absolutely noone watches itOct 03 06:45
prurigropeople were worried at first that it would start eroding our brainsOct 03 06:45
roy_1using captailist orgs also, to motivate people to work for under-minimum-wage jobs (inc. military) and serve someone else's interestsOct 03 06:45
roy_1Ther corporate media grooms those 'leaders'Oct 03 06:45
roy_1Canada doesn't have many Trumps yetOct 03 06:46
roy_1But there are those French-like types who are getting thereOct 03 06:46
roy_1in Quebec I thinkOct 03 06:46
roy_1and some magnatesOct 03 06:46
prurigrowe have a number of extremely rich, though yes, we're far more balanced re: middle classOct 03 06:46
prurigrowe're also the most educated country in the worldOct 03 06:46
roy_1In thre US, look at the richesy cityOct 03 06:46
roy_1iot's ruled by one of those sociopathsOct 03 06:46
roy_1he cracked the voteOct 03 06:46
roy_1and now the thieves rule itOct 03 06:46
roy_1Bloomberg and his mates in WSOct 03 06:47
roy_1It's like Gotham city, but not renamedOct 03 06:47
roy_1prurigro: Scandinavia probably well ahead of CanadaOct 03 06:47
prurigrowhich?Oct 03 06:47
prurigroahead in which*Oct 03 06:48
roy_1DenmarkOct 03 06:48
roy_1Their academic output is impressiveOct 03 06:48
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/03/portuguese-government-bye-bye-wintel/Oct 03 06:48
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Portuguese government: Bye-bye Wintel  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/ftmsv ]Oct 03 06:48
prurigroroy_1: ahh, well, I guess it depends whether you trust Time http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/27/and-the-worlds-most-educated-country-is/Oct 03 06:50
TechrightsBot-trnewsfeed.time.com | And the Worlds Most Educated Country Is | TIME.com  [ http://ur1.ca/ftmtf ]Oct 03 06:50
prurigro(and other publications that printed the same story)Oct 03 06:50
gulag2013Wait a tick, United States is #4? I would have imagined  it much lower. Good going Canadians!Oct 03 06:52
prurigrogulag2013: hmm yeah, I guess we can thank community colleges down there eh? those are actually priced to allow people to pay off the debt eventually right?Oct 03 06:54
roy_1prurigro: depends how you measure itOct 03 06:54
roy_1Time is PROPAGANDAOct 03 06:54
gulag2013Ha ha, it's still way to expensive. Oct 03 06:54
roy_1as anyone with life experience knowsOct 03 06:54
roy_1Time is one of the worstOct 03 06:54
roy_1US higher education is excellentOct 03 06:54
prurigroroy_1: its measured based on the % of the population with post secondary educationOct 03 06:55
roy_1butOct 03 06:55
roy_1you have to count only the top schoolsOct 03 06:55
roy_1Europeans too would go thereOct 03 06:55
prurigroUS higher education is ridiculously expensive without a scholarshipOct 03 06:55
roy_1and no unis in the EU except few (Oxbridge for example) can compete with the redbrick US unis that attract students who are brightest in India, China, and become leaders in such nationsOct 03 06:56
prurigroyou can go to school, rent an apartment and eat for the year here for less than the US charges to go in the first place, and its still considered pretty pricey up hereOct 03 06:56
gulag2013You can't write off Student loan debt. Oct 03 06:56
roy_1The US would also rank high amond Western nations for stupidityOct 03 06:57
roy_1lots of lower class thereOct 03 06:57
roy_1no middleOct 03 06:57
roy_1literacy is high in the US because the lang is easy in relative terms and there's only one languageOct 03 06:57
prurigrothe lower class is likely at fault for not scoring better on that comparisonOct 03 06:57
prurigrothere's also manditory schooling for both sexesOct 03 06:58
prurigrothat itself does a lotOct 03 06:58
roy_1In countries that have many well ecucated people the working class comes from abroadOct 03 06:58
roy_1Like in SingaporeOct 03 06:58
roy_1So that gives a better meaure of % that is well educatedOct 03 06:58
roy_1South Korea might be also, but also high on suicide ratesOct 03 06:59
prurigrosorth korea has a different style of education- same with chinaOct 03 06:59
prurigromore acheivement basedOct 03 06:59
roy_1prurigro: only compared to non-Western nations, about 90% of the worldOct 03 06:59
gulag2013Sigh, what are the reasons for the suicides?Oct 03 06:59
prurigrothey're worked wayyy too hardOct 03 06:59
prurigroand their entire life revolves around schoolOct 03 07:00
prurigroimagine failing when the only thing measuring the value of your life as far as anyone you know is concerned is schoolOct 03 07:00
prurigrotheir social time with friends are often in the form of study groups, and they join clubs to allot time away from studyingOct 03 07:01
gulag2013That is awful. We are  all trained from an early age competition. It sounds even worse SKOct 03 07:02
prurigroyeah, SK is one of the worst from what I've readOct 03 07:02
prurigroapparently university is really easy, in contrast, assuming they have the marks to get inOct 03 07:02
prurigroand sometimes this causes students to crash, not having constant work to doOct 03 07:03
prurigromaybe that's why so many people end up into serious gamingOct 03 07:03
prurigrohigh reward activity they can focus on when there's nothing else to doOct 03 07:03
gulag2013So you are talking more  about dopamine ?  Is the gaming  free will?Oct 03 07:05
prurigrothe dopamine system is very complex and is involved in all sorts of short term and delayed reward type behaviousOct 03 07:06
prurigrothere's also no such thing as free willOct 03 07:06
gulag2013No free will for the Gamers, or in general? Can you clarify?Oct 03 07:09
prurigroin generalOct 03 07:09
prurigrohow could there be free will? actions are either cause and effect, or they're randomOct 03 07:10
gulag2013Now you are making me think. :).  I meant that I personally have choices and I'm not being forced to participate in an activity or face pain and injury. Oct 03 07:12
prurigroyou definitely have choices, but those choices are decided by a complex network of chain reactions occuring in your body and brainOct 03 07:12
prurigroif you hit rewind on time and stopped at yesterday, then hit play, everything would happen the exact same as it did the first timeOct 03 07:14
prurigroall the same variables are in place and physics still work the same, so everything will play out just as it had previouslyOct 03 07:14
prurigronot that time exists as we understand itOct 03 07:15
prurigrobut we're talking about our own experience of things so I think we can speak as though it didOct 03 07:15
MinceRthat's one view of thingsOct 03 07:15
prurigroI'm open to counter arguments :)Oct 03 07:16
MinceRfor example, as far as i know, nuclear decay is still an unpredictable processOct 03 07:16
prurigroI mean, we're assuming reality exists as we're seemingly able to meausure it, for some of the more far reaching statements, but that said, I've yet to hear anyone describe a possible universe where free will could be trueOct 03 07:16
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385718132427722752  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385718553472958464  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385719339464531968 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385721706062819328Oct 03 07:17
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MinceRit may be entirely deterministic or notOct 03 07:17
prurigroMinceR: free will requires randomness first of allOct 03 07:17
MinceRafaik there is randomness in certain processesOct 03 07:17
MinceRalso, some determinists seem to define free will differentlyOct 03 07:17
prurigrobut they've actually mapped previously random quantum physical processes to predictable system, recentlyOct 03 07:17
MinceRthere also seems to be undecidedness in some processesOct 03 07:18
MinceRurl?Oct 03 07:18
prurigrogetting...Oct 03 07:18
prurigrohttps://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/Oct 03 07:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.simonsfoundation.org | Physicists Discover Geometry Underlying Particle Physics | Simons Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/fmpls ]Oct 03 07:19
MinceRi remember reading about this but i don't remember anything about it proving determinismOct 03 07:20
prurigrotop comment here summarizes it nicely http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1mpdh1/physicists_have_discovered_a_jewellike_geometric/Oct 03 07:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.reddit.com | Physicists have discovered a jewel-like geometric object that dramatically simplifies calculations of particle interactions and challenges the notion that space and time are fundamental components of reality. : Futurology  [ http://ur1.ca/ftn4v ]Oct 03 07:20
MinceRi'll re-readOct 03 07:20
prurigroit doesn't prove determinism, but it explains what was previously seen as an example of randomnessOct 03 07:20
prurigrofuture random behaviour could still be uncovered disproving determinsm, of course-- the door never closes because we can never be sure we know everything about everything :)Oct 03 07:21
MinceRit was previously already known that the behavior of larger number of particles together is less weird to us and seems more deterministicOct 03 07:21
prurigrothat said, determinsm or not, randomness is not free will anymore than determinismOct 03 07:21
MinceRi think that randomness by itself is sufficient for free willOct 03 07:22
MinceR(as in the two being indistinguishable for an outside observer)Oct 03 07:22
prurigrorandomness implies rewinding time won't necessarily end up back at this moment when you hit play again, it doesn't mean someone has the ability to rise above causality and make a truly free choice, just that one choice was selected or anotherOct 03 07:24
MinceRthe whole point of randomness is that something doesn't entirely depend on causesOct 03 07:25
prurigrothat said, this new model encompases the past, present 'and' future in modelling the outcome, so if the future is undecided, I wonder how this could be the caseOct 03 07:25
MinceRyou know that a nucleus is unstable and you still won't be able to predict when it will decayOct 03 07:25
MinceRwell, certain physical processes were already independent on the arrow of timeOct 03 07:25
MinceRs/t on/t of/Oct 03 07:26
prurigroyou're argueing determinsm, which I think is probably the case but can't be 100% sure (and thereore I agree to an extent), but I'm talking free will, which implies something like deterministic choice making without the determinism, which I feel almost definitely doesn't exist (or at least the mechanism for a possible example of how this would work hasn't been described to me)Oct 03 07:27
prurigroan inability to predict doesn't preclude random eventsOct 03 07:27
MinceRthat does seem to be an impossible definitionOct 03 07:27
MinceRbut i wouldn't define free will that wayOct 03 07:28
prurigrothere are certainly more than one definition in philosophyOct 03 07:29
prurigroI suppose you'd be what this wiki article calls a "compatibilist" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_willOct 03 07:29
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Free will - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOct 03 07:29
MinceRi'm actually unsure of physical determinism being trueOct 03 07:30
MinceRi'm not sure if i've thought about whether determinism would preclude free will :)Oct 03 07:30
prurigroI feel like compatibilism renders the idea of free will to simply be a more in depth description of "decision" and "choice" thoughOct 03 07:31
prurigroand well, I mean, "free will as unpredictability" uses some bad foundations, but I don't think the ideas it poses are necessarily so different from your nuclear decay exampleOct 03 07:32
prurigroI agree with "Free will as a pragmatically useful concept" too, I mean, we can't operate as if we lack it, even if we in fact doOct 03 07:33
MinceRi'm not sure if we can do anything with the concept of free will at this level anywayOct 03 07:34
MinceRwe'll just do what we do and experience it as acting freely or notOct 03 07:34
prurigroyeah, which is basically what the pragmatism theory statesOct 03 07:35
MinceRmaybe if we somehow prove determinism or nondeterminism, we will be able to grasp the idea betterOct 03 07:35
prurigroits more like how Decartes described solipsism; a useful mental excercise to understand where things stand, but not something you'd actively enable the use of in your lifeOct 03 07:36
MinceRthey did say it was philosophy :>Oct 03 07:36
MinceRthat's trueOct 03 07:36
MinceRand yet solipsism may be trueOct 03 07:36
MinceR(it's just that fact (if it is) won't be practically useful)Oct 03 07:36
prurigroit certainly is, if you want a logical definition of what we can knowOct 03 07:36
prurigroypOct 03 07:36
prurigroyup*Oct 03 07:36
prurigrobut it's good to know what we can know when looking at other things-- it's a good foundation for science, for exampleOct 03 07:37
prurigrosomething 'proven' is only proven based on the foundation of assumptions that were required for that proofOct 03 07:37
MinceRyes, but some (or all) of those assumptions might be empirical dataOct 03 07:38
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prurigroyup, which are based on some pretty core assumptions that we've generally decided to assume as 'fact'Oct 03 07:39
prurigroif it turns out reality is a simulation with some hilarious values plugged into the physics variables, we'll realize those assumptions aren't the case, and more likely if we find that elsewhere in the universe what we currently think of as static values turn out to be variables we can edit the modelOct 03 07:40
MinceRthey will be true about the contents of the simulation, at least for some timeOct 03 07:41
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prurigroyup- and to be honest, either way, the values we're interacting with allow us to manipulate what we see as reality, so they're useful regardless of their universal truthOct 03 07:42
MinceRindeedOct 03 07:43
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtWxLACVXr8Oct 03 08:24
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Bryan Cranston - Malcolm in the middle - I'm so full of bacon - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/ftnov ]Oct 03 08:24
*DaemonFC wished that Fedora would package some decent GTK3 themes.Oct 03 08:34
*DaemonFC wonders if anyone ported Nimbus or Nodoka...Oct 03 08:34
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385739794938351616Oct 03 08:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Patent Reform Drafted, Addressing Wrong Matters, Unlikely to Resolve Litigation Epidemic http://t.co/WPzNCO4kkg #swpats #politicsOct 03 08:46
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385744701154140160Oct 03 08:46
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsofts Monopoly is Not Sustainable, Monopolist and Monopoly Abuser Bill Gates is Being Pushed Out  http://t.co/dVLMKfrgpCOct 03 08:46
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iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/ex-microsoft-privacy-advisor-i-dont-trust-microsoft-thanks-to-prism-7000021443/Oct 03 08:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy advisor: I don't trust Microsoft, thanks to PRISM | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/ftnzn ]Oct 03 08:48
DaemonFCThe brakes on my car haven't been quite right ever since the shop "fixed" them.Oct 03 09:05
*DaemonFC should probably check his brake fluid level today.Oct 03 09:05
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754090221096960  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754458711654400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385754834168983552Oct 03 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The balconies galore http://t.co/pgWlqZO7CfOct 03 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Trans Pacific Partnership a euphemism for attack on partnerships of people across the Pacific https://t.co/KhuySj5iZkOct 03 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bieber http://t.co/iD4f7mXDKeOct 03 09:17
DaemonFCI'm trying to keep expenses down.Oct 03 09:47
DaemonFCI'll probably be saving back for a newer car for at least 8-12 months.Oct 03 09:47
DaemonFCI'm still trying to get a feel for what I should buy.Oct 03 09:48
DaemonFC$2,000 doesn't buy anything decent anymore.Oct 03 09:48
DaemonFCI've never spent more than $2,000 for a car.Oct 03 09:48
DaemonFCI was about to move in on a 1999 Mercury Sable LS last month. Someone had obviously kept it garaged. No rust, dents, dings, scratches. Only put 90,000 miles on it.Oct 03 09:53
DaemonFCIt was gone before I could even call about it. :POct 03 09:54
DaemonFCThose deals don't spring up very often. When they do, they're almost always sold before you can even call about it.Oct 03 09:54
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4101891839.htmlOct 03 09:57
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1998 Pontiac Bonneville 3800 series 2  [ http://ur1.ca/ftojb ]Oct 03 09:57
DaemonFCThat's questionable...Oct 03 09:57
DaemonFC" no check engine light or any other light on since I put it together. I have a snap-on scanner if you want to check."Oct 03 09:57
DaemonFCSo there's the possibility that the Check Engine light was on, but he hooked up the scanner and cleared the code.Oct 03 09:58
DaemonFCObviously clearing the code doesn't fix the problem. The light will come back on at some point, but the Check Engine light will probably go away long enough to sell the car to someone.Oct 03 09:58
DaemonFCWhen my 1995 Chevrolet Corsica was getting ready to throw a rod, I poured some lucas oil additive in and that made it quiet down long enough to sell it to Gonad The Barbarian's daughter.Oct 03 09:59
DaemonFCHe was fucking pissed at me when the car broke down on her two weeks later.Oct 03 10:00
DaemonFCBut I had already cashed the check she had written me.Oct 03 10:00
DaemonFCShe filed a lawsuit against me in small claims court, but I told the judge that the sale was "as-is". I even showed him the bill of sale that she had signed that said "This vehicle is being sold as-is with no warranty included or implied."Oct 03 10:01
DaemonFCHe ended up ruling in my favor.Oct 03 10:01
roy_1LMAOOct 03 10:01
roy_1Gonad tghe Oct 03 10:01
DaemonFCThat was a nice little car while it lasted.Oct 03 10:02
DaemonFCit got me around for a few yearsOct 03 10:03
DaemonFCThe 3.1 liter V6 in a "compact car".Oct 03 10:03
DaemonFCIt didn't feel cramped. I'm 6' 4" and I was very comfortable in it.Oct 03 10:03
DaemonFCGM had to discontinue them after 1996 because the federal government decided that they weren't safe enough.Oct 03 10:04
DaemonFCWell, isn't that really for the buyer to decide?Oct 03 10:04
DaemonFCThey let alot of very unsafe vehicles get sold every day.Oct 03 10:04
DaemonFCThat Jeep Liberty that my aunt drove rolled over eight times and killed her.Oct 03 10:05
DaemonFCI would never drive something that rode that high above the ground.Oct 03 10:05
DaemonFCThe center of gravity makes it a rollover hazard.Oct 03 10:06
DaemonFCI think they still make them though.Oct 03 10:06
DaemonFCThe one she drove was a 2007. That was the year that Jeep lowered them by like an inch because the government was concerned about the rollover problem.Oct 03 10:06
DaemonFCSo they obviously did not fix that by lowering it an inch.Oct 03 10:06
DaemonFCThe government allows car manufacturers to make and sell death traps all the time.Oct 03 10:07
DaemonFCNow they're trying to convince people to go sub-compact because of gas prices.Oct 03 10:07
DaemonFCI'd rather pay a little bit more for gas and actually have some vehicle surrounding me if I get into an accident.Oct 03 10:08
DaemonFCIt doesn't matter how good of a driver you are, because you can't control what other people are doing.Oct 03 10:09
DaemonFCYou go to Fort Wayne or Indianapolis and people drive like maniacs.Oct 03 10:09
DaemonFCThey'll change lanes without signaling with about two inches to spare.Oct 03 10:09
DaemonFCPeople are fucking dumb.Oct 03 10:09
DaemonFCThat's why I really want a Crown Vic or something about that size.Oct 03 10:10
DaemonFCThe vehicle can be replaced. I'd rather that the vehicle gets destroyed saving my life.Oct 03 10:10
DaemonFCI can always worry about the money later.Oct 03 10:10
DaemonFCWalk away from the accident today and sue the crap out of their insurance company tomorrow.Oct 03 10:11
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DaemonFCMy bank is pissing me off.Oct 03 10:44
DaemonFCI might switch banks todayOct 03 10:44
DaemonFCMom keeps telling me to join her credit union. That's not going to happen.Oct 03 10:45
DaemonFCThey'd charge me $72 a year just to  have an account.Oct 03 10:46
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roy_1https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/385785225915412480  https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/385785456258187264Oct 03 11:43
TechrightsBot-tr@eee_eff: @schestowitz curious where this is...Oct 03 11:43
TechrightsBot-tr@eee_eff: @schestowitz curious where this was taken...?Oct 03 11:43
roy_1maybe computer-generated?Oct 03 11:43
iophk(12.57.33) roy_1: [10:49] <gulag2013> That guy on Jupiter Network Allan Jude is always talking about BSDOct 03 11:44
iophkhttp://www.bsdnow.tv/aboutOct 03 11:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.bsdnow.tv | About | BSD NowOct 03 11:44
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DaemonFCroy_1, http://www.paulrichardgm.com/VehicleDetails/used-2002-LINCOLN-Town_Car-4dr_Sdn_Sig.-Peru-IN/2076281253Oct 03 11:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.paulrichardgm.com | 2002 LINCOLN Town Car for sale in Peru - 1LNHM82W92Y650064 - Paul-Richard GM Center  [ http://ur1.ca/ftplz ]Oct 03 11:51
DaemonFCWhat do you think?Oct 03 11:51
DaemonFCShould I buy it? B-)Oct 03 11:51
DaemonFCMy mom would shit if I pulled up in a Lincoln Town Car.Oct 03 11:51
DaemonFCIt's got 128,000 miles on it, but I've seen lots of cars with that engine up over 250,000.Oct 03 11:52
DaemonFCThose big V8s are pretty resilient.Oct 03 11:52
DaemonFCPlus it's rare to find a Town Car/Crown Vic/Grand Marquis that was abused.Oct 03 11:52
DaemonFCThey don't generally appeal to young people.Oct 03 11:53
DaemonFCPeople that drive these things are usually in their 70s or older.Oct 03 11:53
DaemonFCYeah, I'll go look at that Town Car if they still have it on their lot on Saturday.Oct 03 12:08
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385803568105943041  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385799703587454976    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385795381986336768  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385792080532213760  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385791986722418688   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385775422778392576Oct 03 12:30
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Dont Buy GNU/Linux, Tizen, or Android From Samsung http://t.co/8FOMSgDNcs #linux #tizen #androidOct 03 12:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Dont Buy GNU/Linux, Tizen, or Android From Samsung | TechrightsOct 03 12:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Spam and phishing pretending to be from LinkedIn finally seem to outpace spam from LinkedIn itself (the site that's a mess in one's inbox)Oct 03 12:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Even Microsoft Chief (Departed) Admits That Microsoft is a Very Serious Violator of Privacy http://t.co/na2Ft8Ush3 #privacy #nsaOct 03 12:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Even Microsoft Chief (Departed) Admits That Microsoft is a Very Serious Violator of Privacy | TechrightsOct 03 12:30
iophkhttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/10/lowering-your-standardsOct 03 12:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.eff.org | Lowering Your Standards: DRM and the Future of the W3C | Electronic Frontier Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/fth2s ]Oct 03 12:54
Sosumiyay samsung, I wouldn't buy their stuff nor any other android device with a fork of androidOct 03 12:57
Sosumisimply because I don't know what kind of telemetry tools the manufacturer as put on the thingOct 03 12:58
Sosuminot that I like android, but at least the thing is free soft and the nexus things come with the bootloader unlocked...Oct 03 12:58
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Sosumiactually, I don't like cell phones at all, netbook with umts/lte modem > allOct 03 13:00
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sebsebseb Oct 03 13:09
sebsebsebjoin #unity-codersOct 03 13:09
sebsebsebnope nothing to do with Canonial Ubuntu Unty ^Oct 03 13:10
sebsebsebor that Unity 3D thingOct 03 13:10
Sosumibuuu, mark shutlewormOct 03 13:10
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134992Oct 03 13:10
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Bieber http://31.media.tumblr.com/e34f801846cd44e824e56c6ce3396ee0/tumblr_mtr5mqjLxW1rf38dto1_500.pngOct 03 13:10
roy_1"You know in french Justin Bieber can be pronounced "Juste Imbib" (say "Just um bib") (in english : "just soaked") which means "just drunk" :D"Oct 03 13:10
sebsebsebroy_1: near you later this mnth again or kind of Oct 03 13:11
sebsebsebLiverpoolOct 03 13:11
roy_1so come to mancOct 03 13:11
sebsebsebroy_1: probably notOct 03 13:12
sebsebsebtrain already going to be expensieOct 03 13:12
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128938Oct 03 13:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #beliefs #atheistOct 03 13:12
sebsebsebgoing to Liverpool and bacOct 03 13:12
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by pritam@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_1f0c135ff816d5799ae0.pngOct 03 13:12
sebsebseband  hotel will be expeise toOct 03 13:12
sebsebsebroy_1: come to OGG Camp maybe :dOct 03 13:12
sebsebsebroy_1: http://oggcamp.orgOct 03 13:12
TechrightsBot-troggcamp.org | OggCampOct 03 13:12
roy_1"Why worry about commenting on other people's opinions on D*? Get over it, you weakling. ;-)"Oct 03 13:13
iophk"It's just surprising and disappointing to see the W3C and its Director  gamble against the precedent of their own success, as well as the fears  and consciences of so many of their colleagues."Oct 03 13:20
iophkold - https://lkml.org/lkml/2001/12/18/246Oct 03 13:41
TechrightsBot-trlkml.org | LKML: Alan Cox: Re: [OT] DRM OSOct 03 13:41
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roy_1gotOct 03 13:43
roy_1questionOct 03 13:43
iophk?Oct 03 13:44
roy_1why is it that in kubuntu 13.04 firefox and thunderbird sometimes don't have spellcheck as you tyOct 03 13:45
roy_1It's a known bug in older versionsOct 03 13:45
roy_1and i preserved old settingsOct 03 13:45
iophkI stopped using KDE a while back, I'm passing though an LXDE phase.Oct 03 13:45
roy_1I tried all sorts of things, behaviour is not even consistent, sometimes it works. sometimes (most of the time) notOct 03 13:46
iophkDoes it happen even in other apps?  Oct 03 13:46
iophkMaybe also in a simple text editor.Oct 03 13:46
roy_1also, gtk GUI (coarse) in FirefoxOct 03 13:47
roy_1In some sites Firefox behaves OKOct 03 13:47
roy_1Anyway, I am still adjusting to this new systemOct 03 13:47
iophkDid you get the apps added ok?Oct 03 13:47
roy_1qt apps like kate work wellOct 03 13:48
roy_1ah!Oct 03 13:50
roy_1I've solved it for FirefoxOct 03 13:50
roy_1odd checkboxOct 03 13:50
roy_1Let's try thunderbirdOct 03 13:50
iophkWhy was the problem intermittent?  Which checkbox?Oct 03 13:50
roy_1wrote 7 posts today, but still spending days on many other thingsOct 03 13:51
roy_1need to choose a dictionaryOct 03 13:51
roy_1ohOct 03 13:52
roy_1and to make it more fscked upOct 03 13:53
roy_1in thunderbird the spellchecker always works OK in subject lineOct 03 13:53
roy_1a complete reversal compared to old versionsOct 03 13:53
roy_1where thunderbird didn't have the ability to do thisOct 03 13:53
roy_1having seen my colleague sending off a message to a client saying "hell andrew" today (not Hello), I do need this fixedOct 03 13:54
iophkThunderbird->Preferences->Composition->Spelling->Enable spell check as you type should have done it but it doesn'tOct 03 13:58
roy_1yes, but if only this was the issue...Oct 03 14:08
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roy_1There are many bug reprots and reported fixes like https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/945769Oct 03 14:08
TechrightsBot-trsupport.mozilla.org | Spell Check is not working, still...... | Firefox Support Forum | Mozilla Support  [ http://ur1.ca/ftqts ]Oct 03 14:09
roy_1YouTube broke the video downloaders againOct 03 14:09
roy_1moving goalpostsOct 03 14:09
roy_1will post your EFF link re DRMOct 03 14:10
iophkcaching and autoplay are messed up too in YoutubeOct 03 14:10
iophkThere was some news a while back about the DRM, but it looks like nothing has changed since then.Oct 03 14:10
iophkT B-L of all people used to be for an open web.  He designed it that way and defended that design up until recently.Oct 03 14:11
roy_1I thinklOct 03 14:11
roy_1Android tends to serve via html5Oct 03 14:11
roy_1the  Web is getting more messy in  some areas  thoughOct 03 14:11
iophkFirefoxOS will use HTML5 appsOct 03 14:11
roy_1changed dictionaries, restarts, works now?Oct 03 14:14
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Sosumiwhen does the US default on it's debt? drama is getting nauseatingOct 03 14:27
MinceRi think it's going to take quite a bit of thrashingOct 03 14:27
Sosumino MMA?Oct 03 14:27
Sosumiobama vs XOct 03 14:28
Sosumijoking aside, how many will suffer from beneficts cuts?Oct 03 14:29
schestowitz_bedthey can't cut benefitOct 03 14:29
schestowitz_bedit would rile up well armed peopleOct 03 14:30
schestowitz_bedmore militiasOct 03 14:30
schestowitz_bedThe plutocrats need to appease those people with at least soup kiutchenOct 03 14:30
schestowitz_bedor flee the country to their second home overseasOct 03 14:30
SosumiI seeOct 03 14:30
schestowitz_bedor make the unemployed join the armyOct 03 14:30
schestowitz_bedwhich post-wikileaks era is harder, people are better informedOct 03 14:31
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schestowitz_bedthey turns against their government and those who run it (buy congress), not other races and immigrants, as Rupert Murdoch's Fox 'news' wants them tpoOct 03 14:31
schestowitz_bed(sorry for typos, not sitting down)Oct 03 14:32
schestowitz_bed!google ag holder worries anti governmentOct 03 14:32
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - AG Holder: Americans Not Worried Enough About Home-Grown ... | http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/14649-ag-holder-americans-not-worried-enough-about-home-grown-terroristsOct 03 14:32
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - AG Holder's 'see no evil' Muslim dilemma  Fresh Ink -- GOPUSA | http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2013/05/02/ag-holders-see-no-evil-muslim-dilemma/Oct 03 14:32
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Dimon meets with AG Holder over DOJ probe | Crain's New York ... | http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130926/FINANCE/130929919Oct 03 14:32
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Politico: AG Holder Now Untouchable - Breitbart | http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/19/Politico-AG-Holder-Now-UntouchableOct 03 14:32
Sosumiwell, the shadow gov will keep things rolling while the drama play goes onOct 03 14:32
schestowitz_bedsee [1] aboveOct 03 14:32
DaemonFChttp://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=605962Oct 03 14:32
TechrightsBot-trboards.straightdope.com | Has anyone ever owned a Lincoln Town car? Did you like it - Straight Dope Message Board  [ http://ur1.ca/ftr4h ]Oct 03 14:32
DaemonFC"handling of a small ocean liner"Oct 03 14:33
DaemonFClolOct 03 14:33
schestowitz_bedhe calls unrest terrorismOct 03 14:33
schestowitz_bedalready calling USians "terrorists"Oct 03 14:33
schestowitz_bedI guess that's how he justifies droning at least 4 USians. 3 by accidentOct 03 14:33
Sosumi*facepalm* public unrest is a reflection of the crap the politicians and wall St doOct 03 14:34
Sosumiand well, dupping mentally chalenged folksOct 03 14:36
Sosumimore canon fodder for the prison industrial complexOct 03 14:36
Sosumiwill the new US assembled mac pro be shipped from a prison near you? lolOct 03 14:37
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-03/shots-fired-near-us-capitol-lockdown-modeOct 03 14:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Shots Fired Near US Capitol; Capitol In Lockdown; Shelter in Place Ordered in - Live Feed | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/ftr6v ]Oct 03 14:39
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Sosumiwho let the lsd guy out?Oct 03 14:49
Sosumiwith a gun :/Oct 03 14:50
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Sosumihttp://screendwellers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/TheyLive1041111.jpgOct 03 15:44
Sosumieverything's ok nowOct 03 15:45
Sosumihttp://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/NATL-Shots-Fired-at-Nations-Capitol-226341941.htmlOct 03 15:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.nbcwashington.com | Shots Fired Near Nation's Capitol  | NBC4 Washington  [ http://ur1.ca/ftrqj ]Oct 03 15:46
Sosumi"lockdown" liftedOct 03 15:46
Sosumihttp://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/03/iphone_5s_motion_sensors_are_totally_screwed_up/Oct 03 15:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - iPhone 5S Motion Sensors Are Totally Screwed Up  [ http://ur1.ca/ftrqv ]Oct 03 15:47
Sosumithat's what happens when you're on LSDOct 03 15:47
Sosumithat and Helvetica NeueOct 03 15:48
MinceRdoesn't matter, they'll buy it anywayOct 03 16:07
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MinceRgnOct 03 17:19
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MinceRhttp://apina.biz/108783Oct 04 02:22
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gulag2013Interesting. It's to bad I don't allow cookies. Oct 04 02:25
MinceR:)Oct 04 02:25
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MinceRgeekingsOct 04 04:04
schestowitz_bed"All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry."Oct 04 04:14
schestowitz_bedEdgar Allan PoeOct 04 04:14
MinceR:)Oct 04 04:15
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/how-a-telecom-helped-the-government-spy-on-me/Oct 04 08:07
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | How a telecom helped the government spy on me | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fu04f ]Oct 04 08:07
iophkmore "metadata"Oct 04 08:07
iophk"The point here is that now Berners-Lee has officially blessed the idea of locking down HTML, it will be hard if not impossible to resist calls for the same technology to be applied in other ways."Oct 04 08:25
iophkhttp://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/10/time-to-fight-against-a-drmd-web---by-forking-it/index.htmOct 04 08:25
TechrightsBot-trblogs.computerworlduk.com | Time to Fight Against a DRM'd Web - by Forking It - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/fu0ab ]Oct 04 08:25
iophkI don't get why he promoted DRM.  He once promoted an open WebOct 04 08:26
iophkand designed it to be open from the beginning.Oct 04 08:26
iophkIt sure would not have grown into anything significant if it had been DRM'd from the beginning or in any other way closed.Oct 04 08:27
iophkIt's too early to fork the WWW IMHO, not until the fight is over.Oct 04 08:28
iophk" If we want to keep the open Web, it looks like we are going to have to fight for it - and, sadly, against its inventor."Oct 04 08:28
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iophkWindows?  It does mention a reboot, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/something_for_the_weekend_shopping_hell/Oct 04 09:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Oh, shoppin HELL: Im in the supermarket of the DAMNED  The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fu0mp ]Oct 04 09:05
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iophkhttp://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3471849/unique-active-directory-glitch-blamed-for-it-failure-at-scottish-hospitals/Oct 04 09:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworlduk.com | Active Directory glitch blamed for IT failure at Scottish hospitals - ComputerworldUK.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fu0ne ]Oct 04 09:07
iophkWTF was AD doing in the infrastructure?Oct 04 09:15
MinceRmaking it unreliable, insecure and a lot more costly, obviouslyOct 04 09:17
MinceRas for the supermarket, i don't trust self-service checkoutOct 04 09:17
MinceRthey can't even make vending machines reliableOct 04 09:17
iophkYeah, it's probably there to increase costs and decrease efficiency.  However, Kerberos has fared even less well under M$ influence.Oct 04 09:20
iophkhttp://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.cvs/121323Oct 04 09:24
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iophkhttps://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2013/10/02/whistleblowers-hearing-on-nsa-mass-surveillance-european-parliament-30-sept-2013-videomp3/Oct 04 09:26
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DaemonFChttp://techcrunch.com/2013/10/04/microsoft-reportedly-looking-to-put-windows-phone-on-android-devices-starting-with-htc/Oct 04 09:42
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Microsoft Reportedly Looking To Put Windows Phone On Android Devices, Starting With HTC  |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/fu0yk ]Oct 04 09:42
DaemonFCThey have the patent threats as leverage.Oct 04 09:42
DaemonFC"Put this OS that nobody wants on your phones or we'll sue you over Android."Oct 04 09:43
MinceRindeedOct 04 09:43
MinceRtime for device makers to gang up on m$Oct 04 09:44
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SosumiEdgar Allan Poe ftw!Oct 04 10:20
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 04 11:16
DaemonFCGiven that more than half of the members of the House and a supermajority of the members of the Senate are millionaires or billionaires, does anyone think that having their pay withheld for a few weeks is going to put them in a bind?Oct 04 11:16
DaemonFCThey're not the 78%. (If you have no debt and ten dollars in your pocket, you're richer than most Americans.) Oct 04 11:16
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 04 11:17
DaemonFCNow, maybe if they'd pass a "No government gets the obstructionists removed from office" bill, the crisis would be over in less than an hour. Oct 04 11:17
iophkhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-04/microsoft-said-to-ask-htc-to-put-windows-on-more-phones.htmlOct 04 11:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.bloomberg.com | Microsoft Said to Ask HTC for Windows on Android Phones - Bloomberg  [ http://ur1.ca/fu1u0 ]Oct 04 11:34
iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/french-police-move-from-windows-to-ubuntu-linux-7000021479/Oct 04 12:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | French police move from Windows to Ubuntu Linux  | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/ftnw5 ]Oct 04 12:19
iophkmoving slowly, but movingOct 04 12:19
iophkhttp://fsfe.org/news/nl/nl-201310.en.htmlOct 04 12:26
TechrightsBot-trfsfe.org | FSFE Newsletter - October 2013  [ http://ur1.ca/fu26y ]Oct 04 12:26
iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryptionOct 04 12:43
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DaemonFCI just took an interview about how I feel about the minimum wage in this country and employers that pay close to it.Oct 04 13:05
DaemonFCI said that I think that the minimum wage should be raised to $10.72 an hour and that employers should be required to give food service workers a few paid sick days per year and at least catastrophic care health and dental insurance.Oct 04 13:06
DaemonFCand that I disagree with restaurants that require customers to tipOct 04 13:06
DaemonFCthey should pay their employees and build the price of their wages into the menuOct 04 13:06
DaemonFCschestowitz, I mentioned Dawn.Oct 04 13:08
DaemonFCI told the interviewer that I knew that her employer didn't give her any sick days and so when she had the flu, they had her in the back washing dishes.Oct 04 13:08
DaemonFCI told the interviewer that this is disgusting, but probably pretty common, and that I agree with the cities that are passing laws to give food service workers a few paid sick days.Oct 04 13:09
DaemonFCI told him that I don't know how people even survive that.Oct 04 13:09
DaemonFCThat kind of employment.Oct 04 13:10
DaemonFCThe minimum wage for restaurant servers is only $2.12 per hour, and they rely on how generous their customers happen to be to make up the slack.Oct 04 13:10
DaemonFCSo some of them might do well, and others may not. They might work very hard and not make very much money. It's more or less just luck.Oct 04 13:11
DaemonFCHe asked me if I'd heard of the strikes and I told him yes.Oct 04 13:11
DaemonFCHe asked how I felt about them. I said that I support the workers in principle, but that their employers will just get away with hiring scabs and strike breakers, so it will probably just end up costing them their jobs.Oct 04 13:12
DaemonFCI don't think that people who do entry level/service jobs should be paid an exorbitant amount of money. $15 an hour is too much.Oct 04 13:13
DaemonFCBut they shouldn't be making $7 or $8 an hour either, because you can't live on that.Oct 04 13:14
DaemonFCHe asked whether that impacts my choice to eat at those restaurants. I told him that I don't go there as much as I'd really like to because of that. I go a few times a year when it's someone's birthday or something, and I tip well, but that I generally avoid them the rest of the time.Oct 04 13:15
DaemonFCI think it's ridiculous when a restaurant charges you $25 for a steak dinner and $5 for a bottle of beer and the waitress is making minimum wage.Oct 04 13:16
DaemonFCYou might have 7-8 people sitting at that table, and a bill for over $200 when you leave the restaurant, and the wait staff are not even making $3 an hour if they don't get their tips.Oct 04 13:17
DaemonFCI said that expecting the customer to pay your employees is vulgar.Oct 04 13:17
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DaemonFCThey asked me what difference I thought the Bush Tax Cuts made for the working poor.Oct 04 13:49
DaemonFCI said "Probably none at all. The way those employers think, if their employees get a $500 a year tax cut, it's justification to pay them $500 less every year."Oct 04 13:50
schestowitz_bedhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134661Oct 04 14:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/is-slackware-the-oldest-remaining-linux-distribution-right-for-you/ #slackware #gnu #linuxOct 04 14:12
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.makeuseof.com | Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You?  [ http://ur1.ca/ftyfy ]Oct 04 14:12
schestowitz_bed"Once you've become "Slacker" (slackware addict), any other distro feels like wearing handcuffs - restrictive and clastropobic. The article isn't good - one has the suspicion that the author hasn't even bothered to install slackware - let alone use it. He certainly didn't bother finding out, by asking on linuxquestions.org, WHY Slackware has such a solid community."Oct 04 14:12
schestowitz_bed"Once you've become "Slacker" (slackware addict), any other distro feels like wearing handcuffs - restrictive and claustrophobic. The article isn't good - one has the suspicion that the author hasn't even bothered to install slackware - let alone use it. He certainly didn't bother finding out, by asking on linuxquestions.org, WHY Slackware has such a solid community and hence why it is the way it is."Oct 04 14:16
schestowitz_bediophk: thanks for the linksOct 04 14:16
schestowitz_bedadded for laterOct 04 14:16
schestowitz_bedcurious stuff about HTCOct 04 14:16
schestowitz_bedBut they also tried Blubboxes or whatever it was called to port Android apps to WindowsOct 04 14:16
schestowitz_bedThose strategies never quite workOct 04 14:16
schestowitz_bedIf they offer discounts on Android tax for installs of Windows, that's bribery on top of extortionOct 04 14:17
schestowitz_bedwhich adds to Elop's crimeOct 04 14:17
schestowitz_bedMicrosoft is still a very criminal companyOct 04 14:17
schestowitz_bed"Oct 04 14:20
schestowitz_bedMy total distaste goes back to the 1980's when I saw in the US consulate an old man - an Iranian - being refused a visa to visit his family in the USA - coa he was Iranian (so was the Shah!).Oct 04 14:20
schestowitz_bedPrior to that - this will make you laugh - in the 1970s - Cold War - a Finnish friend was refused entry - despite guaranteed employment etc. - because Finland was regarded as "suspect".Oct 04 14:20
schestowitz_bedMy experience of being pissed off has to do with filling out a form, then being asked the same questions that were on the form before departure and being asked the same questions on arrival - despite having a "lifetime" visa - yup - back in the 1980's. Each time the official acting like a nazi.Oct 04 14:20
schestowitz_bedI spent a month's holiday within 100m of the Soviet border requiring both Finnish and Soviet special permission - and it was less buraucratic than the USA - and far more polite.Oct 04 14:20
schestowitz_bedI now travel to te UK only by train and boat - it's beautiful compared with the Eurostar and I refuse to fly - so no one can tell me to take my shoes off :)Oct 04 14:20
schestowitz_bed"Oct 04 14:20
schestowitz_bedhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3131540Oct 04 14:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This is why myself and some friends of mine aren't even interested in visiting the US anymore http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/ilija-trojanow-nsa-criticism_n_4024595.htmlOct 04 14:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.huffingtonpost.com | Ilija Trojanow, German Writer, Banned From US For Criticizing NSA  [ http://ur1.ca/ft9zz ]Oct 04 14:20
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DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2001-Dodge-Caravan-ES-Columbia_City-IN/2077356013Oct 04 15:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2001 Dodge Caravan for sale in Columbia City - 2B8GP54L01R293736 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/fu3a4 ]Oct 04 15:03
DaemonFCI don't know if I'm interested in this or not.Oct 04 15:03
DaemonFCGood: It seems like the body is in good shape. It's my favorite color. I do like minivans. Carfax actually has records that prove it was maintained.Oct 04 15:04
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DaemonFCBad: It's a 13 year old van with 130,000 miles on it. Carfax reports it was sideswiped, but it looks like it was repaired.Oct 04 15:04
DaemonFCThe thing about impact damage being repaired is that they can make the vehicle look right, but it might not ever be right again.Oct 04 15:05
DaemonFCMy car was in a front end collision and it didn't do any damage to the front of the car that was visible, but someone jury rigged some things.Oct 04 15:07
DaemonFCI ended up having to put a new headlight mounting bracket on it.Oct 04 15:07
DaemonFCThey also neglected the coolant system, so that's pretty much all been replaced.Oct 04 15:07
DaemonFCI don't want to end up with a vehicle like this again. It's been a money pit.Oct 04 15:07
DaemonFCThis is why I hate car shopping.Oct 04 15:09
DaemonFCYou can take two identical vehicles and give them to two different people and one will be ready for the junkyard at 100,000 miles, and the other will be ready for another 150,000.Oct 04 15:09
MinceRthis is part of why i'd hate to shop for used carsOct 04 15:09
DaemonFCMinceR, Exactly. It can be almost impossible to tell what kind of car you have until AFTER you already own it.Oct 04 15:10
DaemonFCOf course, you can also end up with a bad new car.Oct 04 15:11
DaemonFCIt's less likely, but it happens.Oct 04 15:11
DaemonFCMy mom said she bought a new Volkswagon Rabbit back in the late 1970s.Oct 04 15:11
DaemonFCAnd it only had like 30,000 miles on it when the engine caught fire and destroyed it.Oct 04 15:11
DaemonFCIt stranded her in Illinois.Oct 04 15:12
MinceR:>Oct 04 15:12
DaemonFCWell, it's funny NOW.Oct 04 15:12
DaemonFCBut I'm sure it wasn't exactly hilarious when you're standing right beside a new car that you're still making payments on while it's on fire.Oct 04 15:13
DaemonFCI said oh jesus it's a fire!Oct 04 15:13
DaemonFCI said lord jesus it's a fire!Oct 04 15:13
DaemonFCJesus Jesus Jesus it's a fire!Oct 04 15:13
DaemonFCAin't nobody got time for that! Ain't nobody got time for that! Ain't nobody got time, ain't nobody got time, ain't nobody got time for that!Oct 04 15:14
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxwbhkDjZMOct 04 15:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Ain't Nobody Got Time for That!-Original - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fu3ce ]Oct 04 15:15
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEC-8GFTP4Oct 04 15:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Ain't Nobody Got Time For That (Original + AutoTune) - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fu3ch ]Oct 04 15:15
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DaemonFCMinceR, It's almost impossible to find a good used minivan.Oct 04 15:18
DaemonFCPeople run them into the ground and then sell them.Oct 04 15:18
DaemonFCAlmost all of them I see for sale have more than 200,000 miles on them.Oct 04 15:18
DaemonFCI wouldn't pay much more than crush value for a vehicle over 200,000.Oct 04 15:19
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4104381127.htmlOct 04 15:21
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1999 CHRYSLER CONCORDE LXi - Leather - Sunroof - DRIVES GREAT! $1990  [ http://ur1.ca/fu3dl ]Oct 04 15:21
DaemonFCRebuilt title. I wonder what happened.Oct 04 15:21
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DaemonFCThere's a lot of those floating around. Flood damage and stuff.Oct 04 15:22
DaemonFCMesses up the car's electrical system but sometimes doesn't leave any visible damage.Oct 04 15:22
DaemonFCI don't know exactly why, but a lot of these newer cars (2000 and later) have severe rust problems.Oct 04 15:24
DaemonFCI suspect that they're designed to start rusting after several years to destroy the remaining value.Oct 04 15:24
DaemonFCMinceR, The funniest thing I've ever witnessed in regards to vehicle damage was when I was leaving a bar with a friend and he backed into someone's Cadillac DeVille.Oct 04 15:39
DaemonFCLooked pretty new.Oct 04 15:39
DaemonFCHim: "Shit! Did anyone see that?" *drives off*Oct 04 15:40
MinceRdidn't fundies rage about the name of that car? :>Oct 04 15:40
DaemonFCI was giggling about that for days.Oct 04 15:40
DaemonFCMy grandmother drives one.Oct 04 15:40
DaemonFCShe bought it by mortgaging her house.Oct 04 15:40
DaemonFCHer house is in such disrepair that she owes more to the bank than what it's worth.Oct 04 15:41
DaemonFCShe took the mortgage out on it when we were in the middle of the housing bubble.Oct 04 15:41
DaemonFCShe was bragging about having a Cadillac one day and I told her "I don't think they have any parking spots in hell.".Oct 04 15:42
MinceR:>Oct 04 15:44
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Cirrus_MinorThis MPD server be runnin 24/7 feelfree to add it to yr media players, wurks on all devices  mplayer http://turtil.net:9001Oct 04 16:34
Sosumionly roasted meat in hellOct 04 16:38
Sosumiand spartans having dinnerOct 04 16:38
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MinceRhttp://memearchive.net/memerial.net/96/i-forgot-where-we-are-dining-tonight.jpgOct 04 16:40
Sosumi:)Oct 04 16:44
Sosumihttp://rt.com/usa/adobe-hacked-krebs-hold-742/Oct 04 16:45
Sosumihope the crackers release the source code of adobe's trash playerOct 04 16:45
SosumiI really don't understand the whole hackerspace thing, we have one at my university, but it's idioticOct 04 16:50
Sosumiplaying with arduino, rasperberry Pis for trivial stuffOct 04 16:51
Sosumiinstead of focusing on common things that actually have useOct 04 16:51
Sosumino AI lab, no computer penetration and security, no signals intelligenceOct 04 16:54
JimmyCartersignals intelligence?Oct 04 16:57
SosumiyesOct 04 16:58
JimmyCarterwhat would that hackspace activity consist of?Oct 04 16:58
Sosumimy proposal was to create a android app to filter the celullar networkOct 04 16:59
JimmyCarterare any not encrypted?Oct 04 16:59
Sosumiso the user could, for now manually, select which signals he would want to connectOct 04 16:59
Sosumiyes and inform if they are encrypted, or notOct 04 17:00
Sosumiand also teach algos, to create a signal strenght to noise ratio for position inside the campus using the internal wifi networkOct 04 17:01
JimmyCarterguess could also listen in on police scanners.  not sure for what purposeOct 04 17:01
JimmyCarterjust because 'signals intelligence' sounds cool hehOct 04 17:01
Sosumiyeah :)Oct 04 17:01
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Sosumilater could have them create a "snooper"Oct 04 17:02
Sosumiall for academic porpusesOct 04 17:02
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Sosumicould also have them build a stock market simulationOct 04 17:04
Sosumiand/or tap the chatter on the web to predict trends, rises, mood of the nation, etcOct 04 17:05
Sosumithe fun stuff of which they can learn something that'll be usable in real lifeOct 04 17:06
Sosumihttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/04/1457225/data-mining-reveals-the-emotional-differences-in-emails-from-men-and-women?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitterOct 04 17:17
SosumiData Mining Reveals the Emotional Differences In Emails From Men and WomenOct 04 17:17
SosumiDatamining!Oct 04 17:17
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JimmyCarterwell you can work on whatever you want at a hackspaceOct 04 17:32
JimmyCartermaybe after you hangout there awhile youl meet others who want to help Oct 04 17:33
DaemonFCComcast keeps offering to help me save money.Oct 04 17:42
DaemonFCSomehow their definition of saving money is doubling your bill.Oct 04 17:42
DaemonFCI don't think I need that kind of help.Oct 04 17:43
DaemonFC"You save $10 a month on your internet when you bundle it with a TV package!"Oct 04 17:43
DaemonFCMe: "Yeah, but then I'm paying for a bunch of crap channels and all kinds of fees and equipment rental and tax."Oct 04 17:43
DaemonFCI actually had AT&T call a few days ago.Oct 04 17:44
DaemonFCI told the guy I hate money.Oct 04 17:44
DaemonFCI said I've got a whole pile of it and if they don't take it all, I'm going to go out back and burn it.Oct 04 17:44
DaemonFCI kept him going for a while before I got to that.Oct 04 17:44
DaemonFCEventually he caught on and hung up on me.Oct 04 17:45
DaemonFChttp://www.lwsd.org/school/emhs/SiteCollectionDocuments/Economy%20-%20Comcast%20Flier%20Session%205%20NL.pdfOct 04 17:47
DaemonFCBut, if you're a parasite with a lot of kids on welfare, Comcast will give you internet for $10 a month with no modem rental fees.Oct 04 17:47
DaemonFCThey'll even sell you a computer below cost if you want one.Oct 04 17:47
DaemonFCMinceR, I just need to have like five or six kids I can't afford and then I'll be cleaning up. My problem is that I'm one of those people who was stupid and responsible and decided against having lots of kids.Oct 04 17:48
MinceRsave money -- for us! :>Oct 04 17:49
DaemonFCYeah. I calculated what my Comcast bill would be while the rep was on the phone with me and I told him that my bill would go from $52 a month for internet to $126 for internet and a crappy TV package.Oct 04 17:50
DaemonFCAsked him where the savings were.Oct 04 17:50
DaemonFC"What I'd like is for you to stop offering to bundle my internet with a bunch of things that nobody under 50 cares about."Oct 04 17:51
DaemonFC:)Oct 04 17:51
DaemonFCMy mom keeps complaining that her TV bill is high.Oct 04 17:51
DaemonFCIt's because Dave sits there on the couch in his underwear watching people shout at each other on the "news".Oct 04 17:51
DaemonFCand they suck another $70 a month out of you for that.Oct 04 17:52
DaemonFCJesus...Oct 04 17:52
DaemonFCI can't believe people actually pay for that.Oct 04 17:52
DaemonFCSilly old me, I'd rather have an extra $800 a year in my pocket.Oct 04 17:53
DaemonFCWhat could I possibly be thinking?Oct 04 17:54
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Sosumiho, no no noOct 04 18:04
Sosumithey coordenate the thingOct 04 18:04
Sosumilike, next week it's about playing with solidworks and 3d print the thing that was createdOct 04 18:05
Sosumion the week after it's about arduino and robots, hopefully they'll introduce the folks there to computer vision and pattern recognitionOct 04 18:06
Sosumithey have the thing delimitedOct 04 18:08
Sosumiinstead of the ppl gathering, discussing what they want to do, make groups, learn what they need in a "familiar" environment and finish their projectOct 04 18:13
Sosumiand ho well, dassault sistemes is one of the corporate patners anyways...Oct 04 18:14
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iophkhttp://nypost.com/2013/10/04/undercover-cop-stood-by-as-bikers-beat-dad/Oct 05 03:56
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iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/2013/10/nvidia-cripples-linux-drivers-windows/14883Oct 05 04:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Nvidia cripples Linux drivers because of Windows - Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/fu7qj ]Oct 05 04:19
iophkYet another reason closed, proprietary drivers have to go.Oct 05 04:19
iophkpushing Matt Asay: http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2013/10/02/open-source-is-good-and-all-but-proprietary-is-still-winning/Oct 05 04:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Open Source Is Good And All, But Proprietary Is Still Winning - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fu7r5 ]Oct 05 04:21
schestowitz_bed2mehOct 05 04:41
schestowitz_bed2iophk: iny major news we missed? I am still far far behind, with thousands of unread headlinesOct 05 04:42
schestowitz_bed2*anyOct 05 04:42
schestowitz_bed2I am still not sure how to proceedOct 05 04:42
iophknot much latelyOct 05 04:42
schestowitz_bed2One option is, scrape old stuff, catch up with what's latestOct 05 04:42
schestowitz_bed2the other option is, deal with all Sept. news even a month late provided it's relevantOct 05 04:43
iophkan unarmed woman was gunned down in DC and the papers are spinning it like it was her fault.  The actions leading up to the shooting are weird but she was out of the car when it happened.Oct 05 04:43
schestowitz_bed2This increases the liklihood of identifying important news, even if it's dealt with a month lateOct 05 04:43
schestowitz_bed2Not been keeping up with NSA, CIA, drones, etc.Oct 05 04:43
iophkMaybe you can work backwards through the queue starting with the latest.Oct 05 04:43
schestowitz_bed2Not a priority right now.Oct 05 04:43
schestowitz_bed2Yes, that's what I've been doingOct 05 04:43
iophkThe items that age well will still be there when you get to them.Oct 05 04:44
schestowitz_bed2Maybe I can catch up by xmas :-)Oct 05 04:44
iophkThere's probably no way to cover it all anyway.Oct 05 04:44
schestowitz_bed2Just added some ad banners for the host of TROct 05 04:44
iophkI don't see the banners on the main page.Oct 05 04:45
iophkBTW the "latest stories" feed is still broken but you know that still..Oct 05 04:45
iophkGNU 30th got surprisingly little coverage.Oct 05 04:46
iophkI think the 25h anniversary got more.Oct 05 04:46
iophkIIRCOct 05 04:46
iophkThere's been a fair amount of discussion of the Silk Road take down.Oct 05 04:50
iophkMost of it is still speculationOct 05 04:50
iophkand all the possibilities have included the probability of "parallel construction" even if it is not named explicitlyOct 05 04:51
iophkNot named (that I see) is the role of dangerous and insecure methods like IRC in breaking the case.Oct 05 04:52
iophkI figure the ease with which it helps track people is one of the driving forces in popularizing IRC.Oct 05 04:54
iophkAlso its ephemeral nature means that any clever, insightful or informative discussion that might actually happen is lost.Oct 05 04:59
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iophkOn the web it sticks around a bit longer, usually at least until the site goes under with a new owner.Oct 05 05:07
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/nsa_using_firefox_flaw_to_snoop_on_tor_users/Oct 05 05:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | NSA using Firefox flaw to snoop on Tor users  The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fu8bc ]Oct 05 05:47
schestowitz_bed2LOL http://25.media.tumblr.com/d07ad1926cbf2939193c10fdbd31d4f6/tumblr_msgr6pnFnM1reysmlo1_250.gifOct 05 05:53
MinceRgeekingsOct 05 08:45
gulag2013Silk Road got hit?Oct 05 08:56
gulag2013I wouldn't know anything about that, if it wasn't for Adam Curry talking about ordering drugs from there. Oct 05 08:56
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3141095Oct 05 11:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA using Firefox flaw to snoop on Tor users http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/04/nsa_using_firefox_flaw_to_snoop_on_tor_users/ #tor #nsa #cracking #surveillanceOct 05 11:02
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 11:03
schestowitz_bed2The Register really sucks these days. This article is misleading and incomplete.Oct 05 11:03
schestowitz_bed2First off, the problem with the Torbundle browser was Windows only. Wired Called out Windows in article about an FBI attack on TOR networks, what's wrong with The Register these days? As Techrights noted, using TOR on Windows is Epic Failure.Oct 05 11:03
schestowitz_bed2Recently, a Windows botner doubled the number of Tor nodes. Oh yeah, they published an article about that but left out the Windows and Microsoft keywords, so they know better. Given that GCHQ's goal is to expand the number of compromised nodes, people we should suspect criminal government activity for it.Oct 05 11:03
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 05 11:03
schestowitz_bed2http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/09/malware_culprit_fingered_in_mysterious_tor_traffic_spike/Oct 05 11:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Malware culprit fingered in mysterious Tor traffic spike  The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fuady ]Oct 05 11:03
schestowitz_bed2http://techrights.org/2013/08/07/windows-with-tor/Oct 05 11:03
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Using Windows With TOR is Like Wearing Makeup to Dodge CCTV | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fuadz ]Oct 05 11:03
schestowitz_bed2http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/Oct 05 11:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fiz5d ]Oct 05 11:03
schestowitz_bed2Firefox gets a bad name for being used on Windows.Oct 05 11:04
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3141607Oct 05 11:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux was a replacement for GNU Hurd, not the other way around http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Kernel-Replacement-GNU-Hurd-0-5-Released-After-16-Years-387510.shtmlOct 05 11:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel Replacement, GNU Hurd 0.5, Released After 16 Years  [ http://ur1.ca/fuae6 ]Oct 05 11:04
schestowitz_bed2"What advantages does Hurd provide over Linux?"Oct 05 11:04
schestowitz_bed2microkernel, gplv3-licensedOct 05 11:05
schestowitz_bed2iophk: http://fossforce.com/2013/10/microsoft-five-years-road/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=microsoft-five-years-roadOct 05 11:14
TechrightsBot-trfossforce.com | Microsoft Five Years Down the Road - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/fuagu ]Oct 05 11:14
schestowitz_bed2lots of nonsense thereOct 05 11:14
Sosumiin a perfect world, M$ five years down the road = filling for bankruptcyOct 05 12:07
MinceRin a perfect world, it would have never existed :>Oct 05 12:27
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/386529120081182720Oct 05 13:06
TechrightsBot-tr@jmcest: Rotten Walled Garden Fruit RT @schestowitz Nvidia cripples Linux drivers bc of Windows http://t.co/iymh71eCZZ #microsoft ruins everythingOct 05 13:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | Nvidia cripples Linux drivers because of Windows - MuktwareOct 05 13:06
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/PowerEnhanced/status/386530331198631937Oct 05 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr@PowerEnhanced: @schestowitz: women are permitted to exclude men, but they scream a lot when men exclude women... I endorse both options.Oct 05 13:07
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3137537Oct 05 13:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: "All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry."Oct 05 13:08
schestowitz_bed2"Dr Roy, Dawkins has been retreating from the 'selfish gene' ever since he first published the idea. It is an unscientific idea that doesn't prove anything."Oct 05 13:08
schestowitz_bed2The regret he has is that politicians misrepresented his work to do nasty things. The title was ill chosen.Oct 05 13:09
schestowitz_bed2"The regret he has is that politicians misrepresented his work to do nasty things. The title was ill chosen."Oct 05 13:10
schestowitz_bed2"Cameron - try looking it up."Oct 05 13:10
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3142184Oct 05 14:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OpenLogic overlooks the risk of EULA and proprietary lock-in, antifeatures, back doors, etc. to make FOSS look bad http://www.openlogic.com/blog/bid/318553/Choosing-a-Scanning-Solution-The-Cost-of-a-Mis-HireOct 05 14:23
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.openlogic.com | Choosing a Scanning Solution  The Cost of a "Mis-Hire"  [ http://ur1.ca/fubkx ]Oct 05 14:23
schestowitz_bed2"With licensed commercial code, this process is usually easier, because you only need to look for the binaries provided to you by your vendor. Easier = Impossible. It is more likely that commercial software has copied copyrighted code - the profit motive. And, of course it can then be hidden easier..."Oct 05 14:23
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iophkhttp://bsdly.blogspot.ca/2013/10/the-hail-mary-cloud-and-lessons-learned.htmlOct 05 15:10
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Sosumithe problem is that M$ was a necessary evil just like the Symbolics vs Lisp Machines war was necessaryOct 05 16:39
Sosumiand Unix being out of reach of the common folkOct 05 16:39
Sosumifor things like the GNU project and linux to come outOct 05 16:39
Sosumiif those events hadn't happen, well, we'd be much better now for sureOct 05 16:40
Sosumibut they happenedOct 05 16:40
MinceRno, m$ was never necessaryOct 05 16:40
SosumiM$ just took it over from DECOct 05 16:41
MinceRwas DEC ever so fraudulent as m$?Oct 05 16:41
SosumiI wasn't alive back them to tell :)Oct 05 16:41
Sosumi*thenOct 05 16:41
MinceR:)Oct 05 16:41
Sosumibut yeah M$ is fraudulent just like appleOct 05 16:44
Sosumitwo companies that I'd enjoy watching them crash to the ground and burnOct 05 16:44
MinceRso would iOct 05 16:45
cubezzzno, DEC was just slowOct 05 16:56
cubezzztrying to sell 70's era tech in the 80'sOct 05 16:57
cubezzzbut they gave use PDP's which is coolOct 05 16:57
cubezzzs/use/us/Oct 05 16:57
cubezzzsome of the DEC stations were really slow, like 286 slowOct 05 16:58
cubezzzso the cheap x86 PCs took overOct 05 16:58
Sosumiyeah, but one of the key guys from DEC came to M$Oct 05 17:44
Sosumiand from that NT was bornOct 05 17:44
MinceRCutler?Oct 05 17:44
SosumiI guessOct 05 17:45
MinceRwasn't he given instructions that completely destroyed the point of the design? :>Oct 05 17:45
Sosumihow so?Oct 05 17:46
MinceRthings like putting the window manager in the kernel "because it will be faster" (it wasn't)Oct 05 17:46
MinceRbreaking the separation between subsystemsOct 05 17:46
Sosumiwait, NT has the window manager built into the kernel?Oct 05 17:47
MinceRsomething like thatOct 05 17:47
SosumilawlOct 05 17:47
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Sosumihttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Windows_2000_architecture.svgOct 05 17:55
Sosumiyeah it is thereOct 05 17:55
MinceRand they have the gall to use the word "microkernel" in the diagramOct 05 17:57
MinceRmaybe in the microsoft language, "micro" stands for "bloated beyond all repair"Oct 05 17:57
Sosumiwell, apple also calls XNU microOct 05 17:57
MinceRtwo sides of the same coinOct 05 17:58
SosumiyeahOct 05 17:58
DaemonFCThey've been pushing a lot of things out of the kernel in recent Windows releases.Oct 05 17:58
DaemonFCSome of it they had to do to make their DRM work better.Oct 05 17:58
DaemonFC:POct 05 17:58
MinceRthat's niceOct 05 17:58
MinceRmaybe winblows will be Ready For The Desktop in 2030Oct 05 17:59
MinceR:>Oct 05 17:59
DaemonFCYou can't reliably kill the graphics and sound drivers if they're in the kernel.Oct 05 17:59
MinceRwho knows maybe they'll rip the USB stack out of FreeBSDOct 05 17:59
MinceRs/ws/ws,/Oct 05 17:59
SosumilolOct 05 17:59
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DaemonFChttp://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/east_boston/2011/08/in_east_boston_the_last_voyage.htmlOct 05 18:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.boston.com | Your Town - Boston.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fud0k ]Oct 05 18:16
DaemonFCThey spent $100,000 trying to restore the ship. Then in 2008, they found a homeless man living in it and made him leave, so the guy came back and sabotaged the ship.Oct 05 18:17
DaemonFCObama is now threatening people on Social Security.Oct 05 18:20
DaemonFCHe's saying that retirement checks won't go out next month.Oct 05 18:20
SosumiObozo could just execute an executive order demmanding all gov agencies essentialOct 05 18:21
Sosumiand bypass congressOct 05 18:21
DaemonFCHe should first declare that everything is essential.Oct 05 18:21
MinceRhe doesn't have the guts for thatOct 05 18:21
Sosumior maybe he's just playing politricksOct 05 18:22
DaemonFCThen he should declare that the debt ceiling is unconstitutional and ignore it.Oct 05 18:22
DaemonFCThe debt ceiling is unconstitutional and invalid.Oct 05 18:22
DaemonFCCongress is obligated to pay for everything it enacts, under the fourteenth amendment.Oct 05 18:22
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DaemonFCIf he did that, then the Republicans would be unable to threaten a government shutdown or a default ever again.Oct 05 18:23
SosumiyeahOct 05 18:24
DaemonFCThey could go back to doing little or nothing and it wouldn't matter.Oct 05 18:24
DaemonFCThe only constitutionally valid way for Congress to refuse to pay for something is by voting to repeal it and then having the President sign the bill that repeals it.Oct 05 18:25
DaemonFCOtherwise it should be funded indefinitely.Oct 05 18:25
DaemonFCNo president has ever challenged the constitutionality of the debt ceiling, We never even had one until 1917.Oct 05 18:26
DaemonFCTheir lies about the Social Security lock box are revealed when this happens.Oct 05 18:27
DaemonFCThey claim that there's close to three trillion dollars set aside for Social Security, but then they can't actually pay anybody unless Congress authorizes more debt.Oct 05 18:28
DaemonFCThose treasury bills that Social Security has are supposed to be payable upon demand.Oct 05 18:28
Sosumiwell, they were the guys that were all ready to "bomb, bomb, bomb" Syria and IranOct 05 18:29
DaemonFCThey're saying that without the ability to take on more debt, there's nothing to pay those T-bills with.Oct 05 18:29
DaemonFCSo they reveal the truth. The US government is a debt machine and without the ability to take on more debt every month, nothing can be paid.Oct 05 18:29
Sosumiyep, just like pretty much every govOct 05 18:29
JimmyCarterhttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/looting-the-pension-funds-20130926Oct 05 18:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.rollingstone.com | Looting the Pension Funds: How Wall Street Robs Public Workers | Politics News | Rolling Stone  [ http://ur1.ca/fud3e ]Oct 05 18:30
DaemonFCSosumi, Yeah. That's just messed up. "Sorry folks, there's no money. Unless we want to start another war."Oct 05 18:30
DaemonFC"Then there's money!"Oct 05 18:30
DaemonFCThey keep talking about deficit reduction and somehow at the same time they talk about taking on billions more in spending to bomb Syria.Oct 05 18:31
MinceRif the debt keeps growing forever, then it's not being run properly, imoOct 05 18:31
Sosumiwell, money for the big boys that isOct 05 18:31
JimmyCarterwont grow foreverOct 05 18:31
JimmyCarterdefinite limits to status quo of borrowing propsperity from futureOct 05 18:31
DaemonFCWell, it can.Oct 05 18:31
DaemonFCAs long as the money supply keeps growing and creditors tolerate that.Oct 05 18:32
Sosumiit'll end up blowing in everyone's faceOct 05 18:32
JimmyCarterusa currently 73% debt-to-gdp ratio says CBOOct 05 18:32
Sosumiportugal currently at 123% and rising :POct 05 18:34
DaemonFCThat's what the bankers want.Oct 05 18:34
DaemonFCThey want endless government red ink.Oct 05 18:34
SosumiyeahOct 05 18:34
JimmyCarterthe federal income is about 10% of gdpOct 05 18:34
DaemonFCEvery year, the public grows more indebted to bankers for programs that could easily be paid for by slight tax increases on the wealthy.Oct 05 18:35
JimmyCarterso debt is currently at approx 7x federal incomeOct 05 18:35
Sosumibut you do know the wealthy put their money in trustsOct 05 18:35
JimmyCarteranalogoys to someone with 100k/yr job being 700k in debtOct 05 18:35
Sosumior create non profit foundationsOct 05 18:35
JimmyCarteranalogousOct 05 18:36
DaemonFCfirst comes the debt bombOct 05 18:36
DaemonFCthen comes the public pension lootingOct 05 18:36
DaemonFCthen comes the taxation bombOct 05 18:36
Sosumiso, increasing tax on the wealthy = killing middle classOct 05 18:36
Sosumialso yes, pension funds raiding and bail insOct 05 18:37
JimmyCarteryeah just like a credit card company, lenders are happy to collect interestOct 05 18:37
DaemonFCWell, it reminds me of a credit card company that says you have a $5,000 limit.Oct 05 18:37
DaemonFCThen when you get close to that, they up it to $10,000, then $20,000.Oct 05 18:37
JimmyCarterbut lenders are anyone and everyone who buys us bondsOct 05 18:37
SosumiexactlyOct 05 18:37
DaemonFCThe only time they stop increasing your limit is when they think that your ability to make the minimum payment (which doesn't get you out of debt) will be threatened.Oct 05 18:39
DaemonFCJimmyCarter, Well, it does matter who the creditors are.Oct 05 18:39
DaemonFCObviously, you want your own citizens holding your public debt.Oct 05 18:39
DaemonFCThen it becomes a transfer of funds instead of bleeding money out to foreign citizens and governments.Oct 05 18:40
DaemonFCIf your own citizens are earning the interest, then it's likely that they're going to reinvest that interest into the domestic economy at some point, in some way.Oct 05 18:41
JimmyCarteryeahOct 05 18:48
DaemonFChttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/10/03/remarks-president-government-shutdownOct 05 18:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.whitehouse.gov | Remarks by the President on the Government Shutdown | The White House  [ http://ur1.ca/fud6m ]Oct 05 18:48
DaemonFCThat's why everyone should save back some cash.Oct 05 18:48
DaemonFCAt least enough to get them through a couple of months.Oct 05 18:49
DaemonFCSocial Security checks may not go out next month.Oct 05 18:49
DaemonFCBut they'd probably work something out to where people get a double check in December or something.Oct 05 18:49
DaemonFCBut a lot of good that does if you run out of food and can't pay the rent in November.Oct 05 18:50
JimmyCarterForeign governments and investors hold 48% of the nation's public debt. The next largest part (21%) is held by other governmental entities, like the Federal Reserve and state and local governments. Fifteen percent is held by mutual funds, private pension funds, savings bonds or individual Treasury notes. The rest (16%) is held by businesses, like banks, and insurance companies and a mish-mash of trusts, businesses and investors. Oct 05 18:50
DaemonFCSocial Security alone holds over three trillion dollars.Oct 05 18:52
DaemonFCGuess who takes it up the tailpipe first when the government defaults.Oct 05 18:52
DaemonFCHint: Not the banksters.Oct 05 18:52
DaemonFCThere's another simple explanation for why the government just doesn't tax enough to run its programs.Oct 05 18:53
DaemonFCThe programs are popular, but the taxes aren't.Oct 05 18:53
DaemonFCBy running deficits, it can run popular programs while keeping taxes low (for now).Oct 05 18:53
DaemonFCThe entities that the government borrows from are happy to enable this because they keep getting their interest payments.Oct 05 18:54
DaemonFCThe program cuts and tax increases will take decades to pan out.Oct 05 18:54
DaemonFCand nobody who is in office right now will be there when that happens. So they have no reason to care.Oct 05 18:55
DaemonFCThe only collateral a government has in obtaining loans is the promise to raise taxes later.Oct 05 18:55
MinceRsee, the debt ceiling is not the issue :>Oct 05 18:57
DaemonFCIt is for the moment.Oct 05 18:58
DaemonFCMinceR, It's like saying that you'll have the triple baconator now so you won't starve, and don't worry about that massive heart attack.Oct 05 18:58
DaemonFCThat's thirty years from now.Oct 05 18:58
MinceR:>Oct 05 18:59
MinceRthe issue is all that spending that caused the debt to rise that highOct 05 18:59
JimmyCartera default will trigger credit rating downgrades and interest rate hikes that will crush the sputtering economyOct 05 18:59
DaemonFCYeah. It's an immediate concern.Oct 05 18:59
JimmyCarterthats one of the purported ulterior motives for all the fed's open market operations: keeping interest rates low to keep interest payments down on the us debtOct 05 19:00
DaemonFCIf they'd stop giving the military and the black budget spy programs so much money, there wouldn't be a deficit.Oct 05 19:00
MinceRindeedOct 05 19:01
JimmyCarterbut you gotta die somehowOct 05 19:02
DaemonFCGovernments don't typically "die" as such.Oct 05 19:02
DaemonFCThey can exist indefinitely.Oct 05 19:02
DaemonFCI did like Jon Stewart's proposal.Oct 05 19:05
DaemonFCRun up as much debt as we can and then fake our own deaths.Oct 05 19:05
DaemonFCThat actually is possible.Oct 05 19:05
DaemonFCA debt crisis could cause a government to disband and you can end up with a new government that claims it won't be held responsible for the former government's debt.Oct 05 19:06
DaemonFCIn places where that happens frequently, they often have trouble getting anyone to give them loans in their own currency.Oct 05 19:07
JimmyCarteri just hope twitter has a good ipo before the sky fallsOct 05 19:08
MinceRwhy?Oct 05 19:08
JimmyCarterpersonal financial interest ;)Oct 05 19:09
MinceR:)Oct 05 19:09
DaemonFCThis is kind of silly though. The Republicans are shutting down the government in protest of a law that will reduce deficits.Oct 05 19:11
DaemonFCIn the name of reducing deficits.Oct 05 19:11
JimmyCarteralso costs money to start/shutdown govOct 05 19:11
MinceRin other words, a typical republican thing to doOct 05 19:11
DaemonFCWell, for one thing, Obamacare fixed Medicare Part D.Oct 05 19:11
JimmyCarteralso a law that already voted on, already had referendum election on, etcOct 05 19:11
DaemonFC75% of its spending as enacted by Republicans was deficit spending.Oct 05 19:12
JimmyCarteri believe obama when he says he cant allow precedent of minority hijackingOct 05 19:12
JimmyCarterunfortunately the other side in this chicken contest believes jesus is a magical cartoonOct 05 19:12
DaemonFCI think there's going to be a lot of enraged voters that take it out on the Republicans in next years elections.Oct 05 19:12
MinceRi don't believe obama even when he asks a question.Oct 05 19:13
DaemonFCThey're making a lot of people very angry at them.Oct 05 19:13
DaemonFCIncluding me.Oct 05 19:13
MinceRhe told a bit too many lies recently.Oct 05 19:13
DaemonFCI could see them losing 18 House seats, or more.,Oct 05 19:13
DaemonFCThe Democrats will probably be running the House again starting January 2015.Oct 05 19:13
DaemonFCEspecially if Social Security payments are delayed because of them.Oct 05 19:14
DaemonFCerr, the Republicans I meanOct 05 19:14
MinceR:)Oct 05 19:14
JimmyCarteri hope youre rightOct 05 19:14
DaemonFCOld people don't like it when their retirement checks are threatened.Oct 05 19:14
Sosumijust let the republican party be the engine of it's own destructionOct 05 19:14
DaemonFCThey'll vote out whoever they think is responsible.Oct 05 19:14
JimmyCarterboehnor said he wouldnt let debt ceiling expire.Oct 05 19:14
MinceRif it's destroyed, will a non-republicrat party emerge as second choice?Oct 05 19:15
JimmyCarterso he may do something at last minute that spells changes for gop status quoOct 05 19:15
Sosumiand democrats split between a wall st and populist factionOct 05 19:15
JimmyCartersuch as simply allowing a vote!  where minority republicans will side with dems to reopenOct 05 19:15
DaemonFCYeah, there's probably going to be a bill that gets passed by all the Democrats and a handful of Republicans.Oct 05 19:15
JimmyCarterand then the tea party will call for boehnors headOct 05 19:15
DaemonFCThe Tea Party will get thrown under the bus.Oct 05 19:15
JimmyCarterthey want someone who will historically default on debt Oct 05 19:15
Sosumiho the pee party....Oct 05 19:16
DaemonFCI have one of the worst "Representatives" in the entire country.Oct 05 19:16
DaemonFCMarlin StutzmanOct 05 19:16
DaemonFCI didn't vote for him.Oct 05 19:16
JimmyCarterhes not on my radarOct 05 19:16
DaemonFCOf course, with the way the state Republicans drew the districts, it's not like it mattered.Oct 05 19:16
DaemonFCHe got twice as many votes as the Democrat.Oct 05 19:16
JimmyCarterboehnor, mcconnel, meadows, cruz, ryan, Oct 05 19:17
SosumiMerlin the StuntmanOct 05 19:17
JimmyCarterbachmanOct 05 19:17
JimmyCarterdifficult to compete w these for title of worst representativeOct 05 19:17
DaemonFCPaul Ryan and Michelle Bachmann are more vulnerable.Oct 05 19:17
DaemonFCBachmann won her last election with a very slim margin.Oct 05 19:17
DaemonFCShe spent some time after that trying to keep a low profile.Oct 05 19:18
DaemonFCBut she's back out there saying dumb things again, so hopefully she gets noticed.Oct 05 19:18
JimmyCarterwell go knock on doors and convince your neighbors to change mindOct 05 19:18
DaemonFCMy neighbors are not impressed with the Republicans right now.Oct 05 19:18
JimmyCarteri suck at communicating w republicansOct 05 19:18
DaemonFCand they are in their 80s and 90s mostly.Oct 05 19:18
DaemonFCObamacare reduced their Medicare costs, and now they're afraid that the law will get repealed and their costs will go back up.Oct 05 19:19
DaemonFCOf course, I think it's safe to say that the Medicare reforms were designed to do that.Oct 05 19:19
MinceRso, are they like "we're not impressed with the republicans right now but we'll be damned if we let the democrats win!"?Oct 05 19:20
DaemonFCwhoaOct 05 19:20
DaemonFClightning right over my houseOct 05 19:20
MinceR:)Oct 05 19:20
DaemonFCThis isn't good.Oct 05 19:20
DaemonFCIf the power doesn't go out, Comcast will.Oct 05 19:20
DaemonFCThey tend to go down for a day or two if the wind blows.Oct 05 19:20
DaemonFCAnd of course, there are never any bill credits.Oct 05 19:20
DaemonFCAccording to the weather channel, there's going to be a thunderstorm going all night and all day tomorrow.Oct 05 19:21
MinceR:(Oct 05 19:21
DaemonFCWhenever this happens, the river rises and goes right through my back yard.Oct 05 19:21
DaemonFCIt's kind of scary.Oct 05 19:21
MinceRit can't be good living right next to a riverOct 05 19:22
DaemonFCI mean like 20-25 feet from my house.Oct 05 19:22
DaemonFCMinceR, That's one reason why the rent is cheap here.Oct 05 19:22
MinceRicOct 05 19:22
DaemonFCIt has a history of rising and flooding out some of the apartments.Oct 05 19:22
DaemonFCI'm actually pretty lucky.Oct 05 19:22
DaemonFCI live right on top of the hill.Oct 05 19:23
DaemonFCI don't think my apartment has ever been flooded out. Oct 05 19:23
DaemonFCThe one right next door to me has.Oct 05 19:23
DaemonFCIt is pouring outside.Oct 05 19:24
DaemonFCI can't even see across the street.Oct 05 19:24
MinceRluckily, my part of the (sad excuse for a) city i live in is well above the highest flood we've ever hadOct 05 19:24
MinceR(during the existence of the city, that is)Oct 05 19:24
MinceRi can't trust the nazis or the commies to protect me from the flood (or anything else, for that matter)Oct 05 19:25
DaemonFCThe river is usually only a few feet deep.Oct 05 19:25
DaemonFCYou can easily see the bottom of it.Oct 05 19:25
DaemonFCBut when it rains for several days, it gets pretty deep and turbulent.Oct 05 19:25
DaemonFCIf this keeps up, Dave will probably call and ask me to come over and help him pump out the water from their basement.Oct 05 19:26
DaemonFC:POct 05 19:26
DaemonFCTheir basement flooded the last time it rained like this, and I figured out why.Oct 05 19:26
DaemonFCThe last owners of the house had this fucking stupid idea for how to landscape.Oct 05 19:27
DaemonFCThey put three layers of landscape bricks around the house, and sloped the enclosed area towards the house.Oct 05 19:27
DaemonFCSo I went outside and dug up all of the bricks.Oct 05 19:27
MinceR:)Oct 05 19:28
DaemonFCIt took me about a day to do that and remove all of the river rocks and lay down a new layer of dirt.Oct 05 19:28
DaemonFCThey called out for some estimates and they got quoted at almost a thousand dollars.Oct 05 19:29
DaemonFCSo I ended up doing it.Oct 05 19:29
DaemonFCMy credit is shot because of some medical bills.Oct 05 19:29
DaemonFCI know what they're going through.Oct 05 19:29
DaemonFCThey've got all the same problems I do and more.Oct 05 19:29
DaemonFCThe IRS is after them too.Oct 05 19:29
DaemonFCLuckily I don't have that problem.Oct 05 19:30
DaemonFCThe IRS can do things to you that nobody else can do.Oct 05 19:30
DaemonFCIt's like owing child support only worse.Oct 05 19:30
DaemonFCThey'll put liens on all your property.Oct 05 19:30
DaemonFCYou won't even be able to sell your stuff to pay them.Oct 05 19:31
DaemonFCThey have the "honor" of being in that "sweet spot".Oct 05 19:31
DaemonFCEnough money to tax and not enough money to fight the IRS and win.Oct 05 19:31
DaemonFCThe IRS pretty much leaves rich people alone.Oct 05 19:32
DaemonFCThey have enough to hire accountants and tax lawyers and they can jam the IRS up for years and end up getting settlements for less than half of what they owe.Oct 05 19:32
DaemonFCSo they mostly go after the middle class.Oct 05 19:32
DaemonFCThere's this "tax cut logic" that's really perverse that the Republicans bring out every time they call for "tax reform".Oct 05 19:33
DaemonFCMinceR, It basically goes something like this....Oct 05 19:33
DaemonFC"We have to lower the tax rate on the rich so they won't bother trying to get out of it."Oct 05 19:33
DaemonFC"The cuts will pay for themselves!"Oct 05 19:33
DaemonFCThey never bring up the other argument. "Make them pay their taxes."Oct 05 19:34
DaemonFCIt does work, kind of. The Bush Tax Cuts did increase the amount of taxes collected from the rich. The more straightforward approach that would get them even more money is to keep the higher rates and reduce their appeal options.Oct 05 19:36
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oiaohmBoy MS is getting desprate with the HTC deal being talked about.Oct 05 20:33
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DaemonFChttp://www.infowars.com/civil-disobedience-americans-breach-barricades-around-lincoln-memorial/Oct 05 20:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.infowars.com |  Civil Disobedience: Americans Breach Barricades Around Lincoln Memorial Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!  [ http://ur1.ca/fudvf ]Oct 05 20:59
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-05/multiple-expansion-dream-overOct 05 21:24
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Is The Multiple-Expansion "Dream" Over? | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fue0t ]Oct 05 21:24
SosumiI wish my printer never runned out of paper tooOct 05 21:25
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DaemonFC"One woman was having so many problems [trying to log on to the healthcare exchange] that finally the NSA guy that was spying on her broke in and suggested control alt delete." -Bill MaherOct 05 22:40
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DaemonFCIf the health insurance exchange crashes one more time they're going to have to stop calling it Obamacare and start calling it Microsoft Windows.Oct 05 22:44
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 05 22:46
DaemonFCI tried to create an account and got a page full of gibberish.Oct 05 22:46
DaemonFCIt was just like that time I tried using Internet Explorer on a standards-compliant web page. Oct 05 22:46
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 05 22:55
DaemonFCThe panel of death?Oct 05 22:55
DaemonFCIsn't that what they replaced the Start Menu with in Windows 8? Oct 05 22:55
oiaohmFairly much.Oct 05 23:11
DaemonFCI don't like programs that take up my entire screen.Oct 05 23:17
DaemonFCThose new "metro" apps are worse than Windows 3.x's tiling window management.Oct 05 23:17
oiaohmDaemonFC: you saw the one of MS offering HTC free license for their Phone OS.Oct 05 23:17
oiaohmReally Windows 3.11 tiling windows management was multi application effective.Oct 05 23:20
JimmyCarterhttp://www.infowars.com/peter-schiff-warns-of-martial-law/Oct 05 23:25
TechrightsBot-trwww.infowars.com |  Peter Schiff Warns of Martial Law Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!  [ http://ur1.ca/fuemq ]Oct 05 23:25
gulag2013haven't seen Peter Schiff in a long timeOct 05 23:25
JimmyCarteri just emailed himOct 05 23:25
JimmyCarterPeter,Oct 05 23:25
JimmyCarterWhat's your take on over-fishing and the tragedy of commons?  In your infowars interview you advocate capitalism but don't mention any such possible drawbacks.  To me this sounded one-sided or over-simplified.Oct 05 23:25
JimmyCarterDo you blame the government for the problems with the previous health insurance system?  I worry that your disparaging of "liberalism" and "socialism" sends the wrong partisan message.Oct 05 23:25
JimmyCarterThanks for your remarks about the "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation the Fed is in with tapering.  That finally crystalized it for me.Oct 05 23:25
gulag2013That video is finally player. Obama supporters not know what party Obama is in? Get out of here. Oct 05 23:40
DaemonFCOne of the problems with the cost of healthcare in America is that we have two systems competing with each other.Oct 05 23:44
DaemonFCWe have a private healthcare system and two systems of insurance. Public systems that limit how many and what kind of people can get on them, and private insurance that is largely a burden on employers and on people who don't qualify for employer plans or public plans and have to pay the whole cost out of their own pocket.Oct 05 23:46
DaemonFCMost of the problems come from the private sector components.Oct 05 23:46
DaemonFCFor profit health insurance companies and hospitals that want to pay their upper management big bucks and huge bonuses.Oct 05 23:47
gulag2013I'm not that informed on the system. I know that it's the only industry that can just send you a bill without you knowing the cost before hand.Oct 05 23:47
DaemonFCIt's driving costs up because the companies and hospitals want a huge profit, and it's driving jobs out of the US because companies can set up in Canada where health insurance is not a burden on them.Oct 05 23:47
DaemonFCThat's why a lot of the vehicles we buy in the United States are actually assembled in Canada.Oct 05 23:48
DaemonFCThe auto makers have a choice between buying these expensive health insurance plans here or going to Canada where they pay a small tax that helps fund the government healthcare that all Canadians are eligible for.Oct 05 23:49
DaemonFCSo it's a small cost that they can plan for in Canada vs. a huge cost that is going up at 5-6 times the rate of overall inflation in the United States.Oct 05 23:49
DaemonFCIt probably costs them something like $8-9 here for every $1 they'd spend in Canada.Oct 05 23:49
DaemonFCSo they do business in Canada and export the vehicles to the US for sale.Oct 05 23:50
gulag2013WowOct 05 23:50
DaemonFCand the high costs and inefficiencies that were caused by the private sector spilled over and ruined the public sector health plans like Medicaid and Medicare.Oct 05 23:51
DaemonFCDoctors don't want to see Medicaid patients because they can gouge Medicare and private insurance and Medicaid only reimburses them at a low rate in comparison to their other patientsOct 05 23:52
gulag2013It sounds like a mess. They will have to come force me to pay for a system I won't use. Oct 05 23:52
DaemonFCand Medicare's problem is that it has gone on for many years where it just pays every damned bill that gets sent to it, so doctors and hospitals and drug companies conspire to send the highest bills they can send.Oct 05 23:53
DaemonFCIt pays thousands of dollars for motorized scooters if they are "medically necessary".Oct 05 23:53
gulag2013YA, that sounds right. Just see who will pay it. Oct 05 23:53
DaemonFCSo every old person that doesn't feel like walking anymore gets a "free" scooter.Oct 05 23:53
DaemonFCand then soon after that, they *can't* walk anymoreOct 05 23:54
DaemonFCbecause they stopped doing it and lose their abilityOct 05 23:54
DaemonFCThen when they die, the scooter doesn't have to be turned in, so the family sells them and makes money off the sale.Oct 05 23:55
DaemonFCA used scooter can go for $500-800 depending on the model.Oct 05 23:55
DaemonFCIf Medicare got it back after the patient died, they could recondition it and give it to someone else.Oct 05 23:55
gulag2013Yes indeed, Sounds very wasteful. Oct 05 23:56
DaemonFCSo they're buying a new scooter at full price each time someone's doctor orders one because they have a patient that griped about walking.Oct 05 23:57
DaemonFCThe patient wouldn't want the scooter if they had to pay for even 20% of the purchase price.Oct 05 23:57
gulag2013I always wondered if a hospital gives me a bandaid, can I just come back with a box and call it even? Oct 05 23:57
DaemonFCThe way they see it, it's just one more freebie that they're entitled to, so they might as well take it.Oct 05 23:58
DaemonFCI got billed $11,000 the last time I was in the hospital.Oct 06 00:01
DaemonFCA few hours in the ER.Oct 06 00:01
DaemonFCI wasn't even admitted into the hospital.Oct 06 00:01
DaemonFCThey call it uncompensated care or "charity" care, and then they sue the patient.Oct 06 00:02
DaemonFCThey get their money back when they garnish your wages or take your house and sell it.Oct 06 00:02
gulag2013That is really scary. I would just try to refuse care. It's so important we learn to take better care of ourselves. Pay now or pay laterOct 06 00:03
DaemonFCMedicare wouldn't be in trouble if they let anyone of any age enroll in it.Oct 06 00:03
DaemonFCThey'd be just like any other insurance company with a balanced risk pool.Oct 06 00:03
DaemonFCThe healthy people would make the system solvent.Oct 06 00:03
DaemonFCFor profit insurance is the reason Medicare and Medicaid exist.Oct 06 00:04
DaemonFCThey're there to take all the old and sick people with very high medical costs, to get them off the balance sheet of the insurance companies.Oct 06 00:05
DaemonFCThe insurance companies then get to insure mostly people that aren't going to cost them much money and will pay a huge premium.Oct 06 00:05
DaemonFCThey offload all the undesirable customers onto the public.Oct 06 00:06
gulag2013I know and it's disqusting that human health is a for profit entity. Oct 06 00:06
oiaohmAustralia PBS setup shows a lot of flaws in medical health for profit ideas.Oct 06 00:07
gulag2013It is the way it is and billions of dollars on medication that doesn't heal any disease Oct 06 00:07
oiaohmgulag2013: Evergreen of patents of medications turn up a lot as well.Oct 06 00:07
oiaohmFunny enough in Australia we have a few drugs produced in the USA for the Australian population by third party producors that cannot be sold to USA cits.Oct 06 00:08
oiaohmWhy to use the PBS in Australia drug maker has to agree after particular time to allow third parties to produce the same drug.Oct 06 00:08
gulag2013Ha, ha. I think I follow you. Oct 06 00:09
oiaohmgulag2013: competition is good Oct 06 00:09
oiaohmwhen it comes to medial drug production.Oct 06 00:09
oiaohmUSA patent system is prevent drug makers competting for low cost production.Oct 06 00:09
gulag2013Well under a lot of circumstances herbal medicine is more effective than man made drugs that hurt vital organsOct 06 00:11
gulag2013That is the way it is though, long shelf life, means no self lifeOct 06 00:12
oiaohmgulag2013: unless you have the problem here where herbal medicine does not have decent quality controls.Oct 06 00:12
oiaohmBasically herbal based medical medicine really need the same quality controls.Oct 06 00:13
gulag2013Good points, but what that was tried first. It's not an option in most. Oct 06 00:13
gulag2013Nutrition, isn't discussed Oct 06 00:14
gulag2013They won'd dare recommend that stop eating meat and dairy. There is no bad cholesterol  in plants. Oct 06 00:15
oiaohmgulag2013: depends on the person.Oct 06 00:15
oiaohmdue to my dna faults I have to eat meat.Oct 06 00:15
gulag2013You can still choose what you eat,,Oct 06 00:16
gulag2013It doesn't have to be cows eating gmo grains. It can be grass fed etc..Oct 06 00:16
oiaohmI am latcose intollerent.Oct 06 00:16
gulag2013That's not a bad thing, most of the dairy isn't good for you. Oct 06 00:17
oiaohmAnd I wish that people had looked at my diet earlier then I would not have missed like 3 years of my early schooling due to illness.Oct 06 00:17
gulag2013Oh sorry you suffered that. Oct 06 00:17
oiaohmLatcose intollernet is nastly.  Subpress imunine system.Oct 06 00:17
oiaohmNo other symtoms.Oct 06 00:17
gulag2013So they forced milk on youOct 06 00:17
oiaohmBasically I would catch any cold going and not be able to rid off it.Oct 06 00:18
oiaohmgulag2013: stupid think about being allergic at times.  You like exactly what you are allergic to.Oct 06 00:19
gulag2013Yes I agree, I have reactions to sugar and caffeine. It takes all my willpower not to consume those things. Oct 06 00:19
oiaohmNo they were not forcing milk on me.  Yes it takes all my will power not to cosume the stuff.Oct 06 00:20
gulag2013Well luckily there are more dairy alternatives coming out all the time. Oct 06 00:20
oiaohmgulag2013: there is a bacteria you can add to milk to break down the lactose.Oct 06 00:21
gulag2013Almond Milk and Coconut milks are really good for you. Oct 06 00:21
oiaohmbefore you drink it.Oct 06 00:21
oiaohmbasically get milk put bacteria in leave it 2 days in fridge then its safe to drink.Oct 06 00:21
oiaohmand particular cheeses don't contain lactose.Oct 06 00:22
gulag2013There is still the puss in dairy man. It's just not normal to be drinking another animals breast milk. We are the only animal doing that. Oct 06 00:22
oiaohmSame kind of reason.  Ie the yeast type consumed it.Oct 06 00:22
oiaohmgulag2013: You forgot cats.Oct 06 00:24
gulag2013I don't drink cat milk either, ha ha. I know what you meantOct 06 00:25
oiaohmgulag2013: cats drink other amimals milk.Oct 06 00:25
gulag2013You do notice after they are past being kittens they don't do thatOct 06 00:25
oiaohmgulag2013: even big cats.Oct 06 00:25
oiaohmgulag2013: even adult cats will.Oct 06 00:26
gulag2013I have never seen a grown cat nursing Oct 06 00:26
oiaohmgulag2013: not nursing.Oct 06 00:26
gulag2013I will take you word on it. Oct 06 00:26
oiaohmgulag2013: when they cosume pray big cats willk drink the breast milk out.Oct 06 00:27
oiaohmgulag2013: its all about extracting as much from a kill possible.Oct 06 00:27
gulag2013Will they eat the whole animal raw, and have the stomach designed for that. Oct 06 00:27
oiaohmgulag2013: tigers and some big cats love full cream milk as rewards.Oct 06 00:28
oiaohmIe cattle milk.Oct 06 00:28
oiaohmWhat is close to there normal pray.Oct 06 00:28
oiaohmgulag2013: the difference is volume.Oct 06 00:28
gulag2013A cows normal predator?Oct 06 00:29
oiaohmCats as adults take milk from other creatures as treaks.Oct 06 00:29
oiaohmgulag2013: big cats.Oct 06 00:29
oiaohmgulag2013: afica where most of the cattle breeds start the normal creature to kill them is big cats.Oct 06 00:29
oiaohmgulag2013: so yes part right abotu drinking another animals breast milk in volume is abnormal.    But there are other animals that drink other creatures milk in small volumes.Oct 06 00:31
gulag2013Thank you for reminding me, good point I have seen my cats drink milk. Oct 06 00:32
gulag2013Here int the states they have pushed dairy as being vital for our health. That simply isnt' the case. You can get all you need from plants. Oct 06 00:33
oiaohmAnd some of the milk problem is human stupidity.   A1 and A2 milk.    A1 cattle produce more milk due to a dna alteration.  But also is less human compadible.   A2 milk cattle produce less milk but is more human compadible.Oct 06 00:33
oiaohmMajority of the cattle milk on shelves is A1 milk.Oct 06 00:33
gulag2013I didn't know that. I know they boil it so it really has no nutrition left. Oct 06 00:34
gulag2013They come after Raw milk sellers Oct 06 00:35
oiaohmgulag2013: wrong on the no nutrition left.Oct 06 00:36
gulag2013What could be left, after heating it at such high tempsOct 06 00:36
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oiaohmHmm just that was odd.Oct 06 00:59
gulag2013You get kicked off the internets ?Oct 06 01:00
JimmyCarterGUIs are always doom, noone has avoided itOct 06 01:01
JimmyCarteroops wrong chanOct 06 01:01
gulag2013What are you saying Mr Carter?Oct 06 01:01
oiaohmgulag2013: no it was power distrubance of some form.Oct 06 01:01
gulag2013I got you, UPS's are great for that Oct 06 01:02
JimmyCarteri was comiserating with someone in #android-devOct 06 01:03
gulag2013Oh cool, do you code apps?Oct 06 01:03
JimmyCarterBrown outs.  Build another power plant.Oct 06 01:03
JimmyCarteryupOct 06 01:03
JimmyCarterif you have nexus7 or better you can try my gameOct 06 01:03
oiaohmgulag2013: I do have a ups.   I suspect something overheated.Oct 06 01:03
gulag2013Nice, Android market place seems like the wild westOct 06 01:03
oiaohmgulag2013: machine only had been up for 6 months.Oct 06 01:04
JimmyCarteryup, its awesomeOct 06 01:04
oiaohmgulag2013: running around 80/90 percent load.Oct 06 01:04
JimmyCarterpretty soon the feds will ruin itOct 06 01:04
gulag2013oiaohm, that's great I switched to linux and have been up 4 days straight. Oct 06 01:04
gulag2013I wish I could try you game, my nexus 7 needs a new usb connectorOct 06 01:05
oiaohmgulag2013: with pastrusised milk I have been on the recieving end on non pastraised milk.Oct 06 01:05
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oiaohmgulag2013: the bad side there are nice little illness you can get from non pastrusised milk.Oct 06 01:05
gulag2013Yes, I wasn't trying to convince you against dairy, it's a choice I made and my tummy thanks me for it. Oct 06 01:06
oiaohmgulag2013: funny enough the food value is barely altered by the pastruised and non pastruised.  Please note canning of food is the same process.Oct 06 01:07
gulag2013They do some crazy stuff to the milk and cows. Big Got Milk campaign is not an accident. Oct 06 01:08
gulag2013i have had non homogenized milk. I liked that much better. Oct 06 01:09
oiaohmnon homogenized can be pastruised as well.Oct 06 01:10
oiaohmThe ammount of mixing and altering of the ratios in milk they do is insane.Oct 06 01:10
gulag2013Now I drink Soy which is really not good I hear either,Oct 06 01:11
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gulag2013They strip the baby cows from the mothers at birth, that first milk is called colostrum  I think, it's bottled and sold. The baby boy who knows what happens. Oct 06 01:13
oiaohmThere are very few soy milks I can stand to drink.Oct 06 01:18
oiaohmMost soy milks are too grainy for my mouth.Oct 06 01:19
gulag2013There are hemp, rice, almond, soy, coconut, Have you ever tried coconut  ice cream? It's pretty good. Oct 06 01:20
DaemonFCalmond milk is way better than soyOct 06 01:22
DaemonFCjust remember to get the unflavored/unsweetened stuffOct 06 01:22
gulag2013Yes, I'm trying to watch my sugar, what is your reason for unOct 06 01:22
oiaohmgulag2013: soy soft seve icescream avoid like plague.Oct 06 01:23
oiaohmcoconut is nice.Oct 06 01:23
DaemonFCI don't like them dumping in the extra sugar and caloriesOct 06 01:23
gulag2013Oh thanks for the tip. I have never tried soy ice creamOct 06 01:23
DaemonFCand I don't like the vanilla flavorOct 06 01:23
oiaohmgulag2013: its the softserve form.Oct 06 01:23
oiaohmgulag2013: its in fact colder than normal icecream.Oct 06 01:24
gulag2013Yes, the vanilla is to strongOct 06 01:24
DaemonFCThe unflavored stuff is pretty much exactly like skim milk. I use it in my cereal.Oct 06 01:24
oiaohmgulag2013: so you know that icescream head ache it gets you with massive nasty.Oct 06 01:24
gulag2013I'm not sure oiaohm, but I have suffered some serious dairy ice cream stomach aches. Because I don't have a governor  I just keep eatingOct 06 01:26
oiaohmgulag2013: Neither do I normally.Oct 06 01:26
gulag2013I like the plain almond milk Oct 06 01:26
DaemonFChttp://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/25/ways-on-buying-in-markets.aspxOct 06 01:26
TechrightsBot-trarticles.mercola.com | Supermarkets Influence Your Food Shopping Choices  [ http://ur1.ca/fufb3 ]Oct 06 01:26
DaemonFC"Displaying a dollar sign on the display decreases the likelihood of you making a purchase, because it's instinctively equated with "cost" or "spending." As Lindstrom says, "Removing the sign helps the consumer sidestep the harsh reality of outstanding bills and longer-term financial concerns.""Oct 06 01:26
oiaohmgulag2013: soy soft serve is about the only icescream head ache in side one cone.Oct 06 01:27
DaemonFCI never really thought about that, but now that I do...Oct 06 01:27
DaemonFCKroger and Walmart don't put a dollar sign on the price tag.Oct 06 01:27
DaemonFCThey put stickers that say "1.76" or ".99" or "10 for 10".Oct 06 01:27
DaemonFCNot "$1.76", "$0.99", or "10 for $10".Oct 06 01:28
gulag2013Huh? I have been blind to that $ either way. Now i'm curiousOct 06 01:28
DaemonFC"Larger shopping carts equate to increased spending."Oct 06 01:28
DaemonFCYeah, when our Walmart became a super Walmart, they increased the size of the carts by about 50%Oct 06 01:28
oiaohmDaemonFC: its called cost saving.Oct 06 01:29
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes the ink saved on not printing the dollar sign adds up.Oct 06 01:29
gulag2013I know the supermarket here tries to hide the good coffee that is cheaper on the very bottom shelve. The whole eye level scamOct 06 01:29
DaemonFCgulag2013, Yes. They like to put the little bags of coffee that cost like 50 or 75 cents per ounce at eye level.Oct 06 01:30
gulag2013Ha ha the ink savings as they waste thousands on flyeersOct 06 01:30
DaemonFCThey put the bulk coffee that costs less on the bottom two shelves.Oct 06 01:31
gulag2013This was Panera bread company. You have that chain rightOct 06 01:31
gulag2013Anyway they have their brand in the supermarket now for $6 for 12 ounces and it's really good, but they try to hide it. So if it doesn't sell then what.Oct 06 01:32
DaemonFCThe "gourmet" coffee has gotten ridiculous.Oct 06 01:33
gulag2013What ever happened to honest pound of anything.Oct 06 01:33
DaemonFCThey have Starbucks for $8.99 for a one pound bag.Oct 06 01:33
oiaohmgulag2013: look at there flyers they are doing the same stunt.Oct 06 01:33
DaemonFCYou can get two pounds of store brand for $5.99Oct 06 01:33
gulag2013Sure they sell 1lbs Oct 06 01:33
gulag2013I'm still a bit snobby when it comes to good coffeeOct 06 01:34
gulag2013Stunt with whatOct 06 01:34
oiaohmgulag2013: are you the level that roasts your own?Oct 06 01:34
oiaohmgulag2013: no dollar signs.Oct 06 01:34
gulag2013No, that is  a lot of work and you can screw that up if you aren't careful. i will grind beans sometimes. Oct 06 01:35
gulag2013I watched a guy at a place roast, it is really good if you can get some the first week after a roastOct 06 01:36
gulag2013Anyway, yes they spend a lot of money studying us and monitoring our purchasing habits. Sickening Oct 06 01:37
gulag2013I can't say I blame them, but I place people before money. Oct 06 01:38
gulag2013Mcdonalds and the famous free toy training little kids to be life long costumers Oct 06 01:40
gulag2013Coke and Pepsi feeding millions of gallons of corn sugar, and diabetes Oct 06 01:41
oiaohmgulag2013: you miss the caffine.Oct 06 01:41
oiaohmcaffine is not a 100 percent harmless drug.Oct 06 01:41
gulag2013I should be staying off it. I'm slowly drinking more green teaOct 06 01:41
oiaohmcaffine is most dangous when combind with suger.Oct 06 01:42
gulag2013I bet, Oct 06 01:42
gulag2013Sugar is some addictive stuff on it's own. I tried switching to stevia , yuck I can't drink that stuff. Oct 06 01:43
oiaohmIts like the drinks like redbull and mostor and so on they have caused deaths that have been documented by only minor over consumion.Oct 06 01:43
oiaohmMax ammout of redbull you should have a day is 1 can.Oct 06 01:43
oiaohmguess how many people don't obey that.Oct 06 01:43
gulag2013I know right, that stuff is dangerous. I have had those monster drinks before. Oct 06 01:43
oiaohmyet people drink 2 l of coke.Oct 06 01:44
oiaohmSame ammout of active.Oct 06 01:44
oiaohmThis is why coke is working on suger free versions so much.Oct 06 01:44
oiaohmIe no suger no dead consumers.Oct 06 01:44
oiaohmHopefully.Oct 06 01:44
gulag2013the sugar free stuff is even worse. Why is corn syrup to expensive as a sugar sub now?Oct 06 01:45
gulag2013AspartameOct 06 01:45
oiaohmstevia is a art to handle correctly.Oct 06 01:47
gulag2013I had a real coke made with sugar cane a few months back . I was very uneasy for over an hour. Oct 06 01:47
oiaohmsuger cane suger is less adctivive than corn syrup contain froctoosOct 06 01:47
oiaohmcorn syrup is not a good replacement for suger.Oct 06 01:48
gulag2013Yes, what they don't tell you is the corn syrup is around .20 cents a pound and the government subsidizes corn. Oct 06 01:49
oiaohmgulag2013: I have grown stevia plants.Oct 06 01:49
oiaohmgulag2013: the art with stevia usage is hard because stevia alone has a horid after taste.Oct 06 01:49
gulag2013Oh cool, I wonder if it's good like that, I have had the man made white concentrated powdered stuff. I don't like itOct 06 01:50
oiaohmgulag2013: touch of honey remove after taste.Oct 06 01:50
gulag2013I bet, good idea Oct 06 01:50
oiaohmIe use stevia correctly it increases the suger taste.Oct 06 01:50
oiaohmBut you still need to put one of the real sugers in close to raw form.Oct 06 01:51
gulag2013i have some other thing called monk sugar, it's okay but tastes sort of like steviaOct 06 01:51
gulag2013Agave is sort of scamOct 06 01:52
gulag2013I'm going Vegan so I'm supposed to not eat Honey, but that seems a bit extreme. Oct 06 01:53
oiaohmhttp://national.cleanplates.com/health-nutrition/the-new-sugar-monk-fruit/Oct 06 01:53
TechrightsBot-trnational.cleanplates.com | The new "sugar" is...monk fruit! Learn the different types.Healthy Recipes and Sustainable Food  [ http://ur1.ca/fufeo ]Oct 06 01:53
oiaohmmonk fruit is a lot clearner source of natural sweetener.  gulag2013Oct 06 01:54
oiaohmgulag2013: yes simlar compounds to stevia.  No nasty after taste.Oct 06 01:54
gulag2013It's good, not perfect but betterOct 06 01:55
oiaohmgulag2013: but same thing like stevia a very small does of honey or brown suger is enough to fully fool taste buds.Oct 06 01:55
oiaohmIe brown suger with monk fruit works where it does not with stevia.Oct 06 01:56
gulag2013True, i'm an addict though, i'm trying to just cut that out, but it's super hard. Oct 06 01:56
oiaohmBasically 90 to 95 percent of the suger load can be replaced.Oct 06 01:56
oiaohm5 to 10 percent has to remain or your taste buds will pick the difference.Oct 06 01:57
gulag2013I believe that, I was off of sugar for a week and my taste buds appreciated bananas. Oct 06 01:57
oiaohmYou don't get where you were going.Oct 06 01:58
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose  bananas are high Fructose.Oct 06 01:59
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Fructose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOct 06 01:59
gulag2013Yes, but i'm the camp that the fiber and minerals help the digestion and it's not the same as stripped out fructose. Oct 06 02:00
gulag2013My body is fine on fruit sugars, I could eat a bag of oranges and not crash. Oct 06 02:01
oiaohmgulag2013: funny enough fructose is more adictive than general suger  ie sucrose sugercane.Oct 06 02:01
oiaohmoranges are not that high in fructose.Oct 06 02:01
gulag2013I see, makes sense I love bananas. Oct 06 02:01
oiaohmfructose in high doese causes crashes like sucrose.Oct 06 02:01
oiaohmgulag2013: basically you are lining up to swap one addiction for another.Oct 06 02:02
oiaohmModeration.Oct 06 02:02
gulag2013ha ha, yes but it's real food Oct 06 02:02
oiaohmI guess you also love corn.Oct 06 02:03
oiaohmbasically you cut suger and your body gets sneaky.Oct 06 02:04
oiaohmAnd makes you crave the fructose items instead.Oct 06 02:04
gulag2013No, I barely eat corn I think it's all been contaminated by Monsanto. Oct 06 02:05
oiaohmhttp://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/nutrition/a/fructosedangers.htmOct 06 02:05
TechrightsBot-trlowcarbdiets.about.com | Fructose - Sweet But Dangerous - The Dangers of Fructose  [ http://ur1.ca/fufh0 ]Oct 06 02:05
gulag2013What do they call that negative calories, I don't think it has much nutrition and you body doesn't even digest it. Oct 06 02:05
oiaohmgulag2013: fructose puts presure on liver.Oct 06 02:05
oiaohmYes you avoid one stack of nasty side effect and can walk straight into another.Oct 06 02:06
gulag2013I have read that. Oct 06 02:06
oiaohmModeration usage of fructose and sucrose is fine.Oct 06 02:06
oiaohmSame with other sugers.Oct 06 02:06
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oiaohmIn fact bannas also contain sucrose  gulag2013Oct 06 02:08
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oiaohmgulag2013: so yep suger in nice hidden for.   1 or 2 bannas a day fine pig out on them you are asking for it.Oct 06 02:08
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gulag2013I have had more than two and talk about getting high and full of energyOct 06 02:10
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oiaohmgulag2013: just because it natural does not mean it cannot harm you.Oct 06 02:13
gulag2013Well tell an Ape that he eats to many bananas. Oct 06 02:13
gulag2013I do appreciate your help, I'm pleasantly surprised you are that informed on the subject. Oct 06 02:14
DaemonFCA woman looks outside and sees a man masturbating on her front porch, so she calls 911. "There's a damned Democrat masturbating on my front porch!". The 911 operator says "Could you say that again!?". The woman says "I told you, there's a damned Democrat masturbating on my front porch!". The 911 operator says "How do you know he's a Democrat?. The woman says "Duh! If he was a Republican, he'd be fucOct 06 02:16
DaemonFCking ME!"Oct 06 02:16
gulag2013drum roll, okay slightly funnyOct 06 02:17
oiaohmgulag2013: they have different bio to us.   We are more fish/meat eaters than the Apes.   Heck the Apes can make vitiman c where we cannot.Oct 06 02:17
oiaohmgulag2013: that is some of the big things.Oct 06 02:17
oiaohmParticular items the human body cannot make means human body burns less fuel than our Ape relations.Oct 06 02:18
gulag2013i reserve that is were I argue that we may be able to eat meat, but it ferments in our system and causes all kinds of health issues. Oct 06 02:19
oiaohmIts the fact we can eat meat why being vegan is so hard.Oct 06 02:20
oiaohmmeat in the form fish or read or white.  Basically contains chemicals human body skips out on producing.Oct 06 02:21
oiaohmWhere are normal ape would be able to produce those chemicals.Oct 06 02:21
gulag2013I don't find it hard, i'm mean I'm not against it for survival. Part me thinks that is why we can, during winter months with no food. We would have been deadOct 06 02:21
oiaohmSo a vegan has to be very careful to eat plants that provide those chemicals.Oct 06 02:22
oiaohmSomething buddist monks worked out how to do for most people.Oct 06 02:22
oiaohmgulag2013: basically want to live vegan take a buddist cooking classes.Oct 06 02:23
gulag2013That would be cool, I'm interested in buddist teachings myself. Oct 06 02:23
oiaohmMy case is a little different I have a new proten multation.  So I have to eat meat until I do find a plant that can provide that one.Oct 06 02:23
gulag2013Protein/Oct 06 02:24
oiaohmgulag2013: basically I would love to come a buddist monk but I cannot live in the eat vegan diet.Oct 06 02:24
gulag2013I have no interest in becoming a monk, just to be more aligned with nature. Oct 06 02:24
oiaohmBasically buddist monks have thousands of years of knolledge about living vegan.Oct 06 02:25
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gulag2013They are known to be vegans, yep. Oct 06 02:26
oiaohmvery good at it.Oct 06 02:26
gulag2013I read some are allowed to eat some meat. It depends Oct 06 02:26
oiaohmgulag2013: buddist rules are not set in solid stone.Oct 06 02:27
oiaohmIf they are served meat not to offend host they will eat it.Oct 06 02:27
oiaohmBut they are not mean to intetionally seek out to kill it.Oct 06 02:27
oiaohmor have it killed to suite there needs.Oct 06 02:28
oiaohmbasically buddist monks are sane they are not going to stave to death if allready killed meat is the only thing on offer.Oct 06 02:28
gulag2013That is where my mind is at. I don't have the stomach to kill animals for my food. So I don't pay others to do it for me. Oct 06 02:28
oiaohmwhile I am eating meat I don't have the stomach either.Oct 06 02:29
oiaohmIf I go off meat I become a very different person.Oct 06 02:29
oiaohmbasically nature taking over to get what my body required.Oct 06 02:30
gulag2013That is today, maybe tomorrow I will eat meat again, I don't like absolutes. Today I didnt' eat meat. Oct 06 02:30
oiaohmso increase agreesion.Oct 06 02:30
oiaohmgulag2013: so you are very much a buddist are core.Oct 06 02:30
gulag2013I don't know. I haven't researched it muchOct 06 02:31
gulag2013I like the idea. Oct 06 02:31
gulag2013Being your own power is very important to me. Not worshiping a false god Oct 06 02:32
oiaohmgulag2013: buddist have to major sects.Oct 06 02:32
oiaohmgulag2013: one see budda who was a real person as a real living teacher who died.Oct 06 02:32
oiaohmThat sect does not worsh budda at all.Oct 06 02:33
oiaohmgulag2013: of coruse there is another sect to says he assended.Oct 06 02:33
oiaohmgulag2013: yes how to start a long buddist cat fight put both groups in the same room.Oct 06 02:33
oiaohmNormally ends with the normal no right to push your beliefs on others and everyone is free to have their own believes.Oct 06 02:34
oiaohmgulag2013: basically the right sect of buddist you would get alone with extreamly well.  Ok might not ever become a buddist but they would be no problem to your because their believes would be simplar.Oct 06 02:35
gulag2013No, we shouldn't be doing that. I have to be careful of that. I just see people trying to reach false happiness and it's sad to watch. Oct 06 02:35
DaemonFCI found some pictures of my mom and my aunt in Paris from back in 2009.Oct 06 02:43
DaemonFC(the aunt that died in August)Oct 06 02:43
DaemonFCI'm going to pull them off these CDs and archive them.Oct 06 02:44
gulag2013Onto what media?Oct 06 02:45
gulag2013Is there something that would last a lifetime? I know cd's are not great. Oct 06 02:46
gulag2013Oh bluetooth devices still get me cranky, I would figure they would just work at this point. Oct 06 02:49
oiaohmgulag2013: look up mdiscOct 06 02:50
oiaohmgulag2013:  http://www.mdisc.com/what-is-mdisc/  combind that with dvdisaster you have very long term achive media.Oct 06 02:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.mdisc.com | What is M-Disc?  The M-DISCOct 06 02:51
DaemonFCWell, I'll email them to my mom.Oct 06 02:52
DaemonFCAs far as I know, Google doesn't lose files.Oct 06 02:52
oiaohmDaemonFC: they have in the past.Oct 06 02:53
oiaohmDaemonFC: google is not 100 percent bullet proffOct 06 02:53
gulag2013M-Disc looks interesting, but they need to be sold local Oct 06 02:55
gulag2013I love hate Google. I use google drive for some stuff, but it's against my nature to allow a cloud to hold my stuff. Oct 06 02:56
oiaohmproblem is there is not much options.Oct 06 02:57
prurigrogoogle drive is amazing for collaborationOct 06 02:58
gulag2013prurigro, I agree and it's one reason I still keep my gmailOct 06 02:58
gulag2013Those M discs I see a problem. We won't have optical drives in 1000 years. Oct 06 02:59
prurigroyou don't need a mail for itOct 06 02:59
gulag2013I retract that maybe no opticals in ten yearsOct 06 02:59
prurigroI keep mine for certain categories of things I don't mind on the potentially public record (depending who google shares with), but you can definitel just sign up for drive/docs with another emalOct 06 02:59
gulag2013Yes, I opted way out of google *Oct 06 03:00
gulag2013google + sorry about thatOct 06 03:00
oiaohmgulag2013: there will be a good question what will we have in 10 years.Oct 06 03:03
oiaohmM disc storage will live to what ever the new storage will be.Oct 06 03:03
oiaohmCurrent harddrives and flash drives don't have the life span.Oct 06 03:04
gulag2013I hope we still have removable media, apple is starting to solder the flash storage on the motherboards. Oct 06 03:04
oiaohmPrinting hardcopies take too much space.Oct 06 03:04
oiaohmgulag2013: really it would be warped if in the next 10 years we have cameras on devices high enough res to scan dvd discs.Oct 06 03:06
gulag2013Startling, Did that idea just come to you. ThatOct 06 03:07
gulag2013ThatOct 06 03:07
gulag2013That would be wild. Oct 06 03:08
oiaohmgulag2013: I have wondered that idea for a while.Oct 06 03:09
gulag2013No doubt, you would just have a  spinning spindle of some kind underneath a dome with the camera lens on topOct 06 03:09
oiaohmRealy no.Oct 06 03:09
oiaohmI have done grids of 2d bar codes.Oct 06 03:10
oiaohmSo as long as the camera can run over and join the different framements up.Oct 06 03:10
oiaohmSo disc does not need to spin.Oct 06 03:10
oiaohmThe most compact cd play that never went into production cut the cd in two and used a scaning head that moved.Oct 06 03:11
gulag2013i'm not that smart about this, but wow that would be great make an iso from your phone camera straight to your phone. Oct 06 03:11
oiaohmWe are talking insanely high resolution.Oct 06 03:12
oiaohmBasical microscope in camera.Oct 06 03:12
gulag2013You have yourself a  patent,Oct 06 03:12
gulag2013Don't let the idea get lost. Oct 06 03:12
oiaohmCurrently I archive over 1.5 megs per side of sheet of paperOct 06 03:13
oiaohmof a4Oct 06 03:13
oiaohmThat is scanable in on a mobile phone.Oct 06 03:13
oiaohmYes current day tech.Oct 06 03:13
oiaohmgulag2013: ie passwords in file that are a little hard to copy quickly.Oct 06 03:14
gulag2013Neat, using what that would save me some agravation for scrap records. Oct 06 03:14
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gulag2013I'm trying to stay paperless, I scan most of my stuff on a cheap cannon flatbed. Your phones sounds convenient Oct 06 03:16
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oiaohmgulag2013: my long term goal is to be able to get books printed using the system I do.Oct 06 03:20
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gulag2013That would be great. I know I value less stuff. Oct 06 03:23
oiaohmgulag2013: I just think it would be funny to have the complete works of shakespear or other famous writers in a very thin book.Oct 06 03:30
gulag2013That would be nice, I have some software that will read the text for me. Oct 06 03:31
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oiaohmexactly the software on phones already exists to read the books.Oct 06 03:32
oiaohmA source of physical world books for phones is missing.Oct 06 03:32
gulag2013Well there is kindle and others on phonesOct 06 03:32
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oiaohmgulag2013: when I say physical I mean physical.Oct 06 03:33
gulag2013Oh sorry, maybe I donOct 06 03:34
oiaohmScanning a normal paper book in takes ages.Oct 06 03:34
oiaohmSo I started working on systems with the goal of being able to place like 1 or 2 pages in a book containing the complete book for easy scanning.Oct 06 03:35
gulag2013Okay, two pages at once?Oct 06 03:35
oiaohmgulag2013: one at a time scanning is designed into what I have done.Oct 06 03:36
oiaohmso 1 page half the book the next page the other half.Oct 06 03:36
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oiaohmI had to allow for phone camera limits gulag2013Oct 06 03:36
oiaohmie they don't do double side scaning or across fold very well.Oct 06 03:36
oiaohmYes the fun of camera focus.Oct 06 03:37
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Freestar_Wagon-4dr_SEL-Columbia_City-IN/2065800953Oct 06 03:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2004 Ford Freestar Wagon for sale in Columbia City - 2FMZA52244BB20397 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/fp8zy ]Oct 06 03:37
DaemonFCI still have my eye on that one.Oct 06 03:38
DaemonFCTold the guy that if he can knock a few hundred off of it, then I might buy it.Oct 06 03:38
DaemonFCIt's been on their lot since August.Oct 06 03:38
DaemonFCNo auction is going to give them $4,000 for it.Oct 06 03:38
DaemonFCI'm kind of hoping he gets sick of looking at it and offers it to me at $3,500.Oct 06 03:39
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DaemonFCThe guy called me back and offered that 2004 Crown Victoria to me for $2,500.Oct 06 03:44
DaemonFCI'm not sure I really want to get in on that though.Oct 06 03:44
DaemonFCRight off the bat, I'd have an ABS sensor to replace, an exhaust leak to fix, a transmission flush, and a blend motor issue for the heat/air conditioning system that would probably require them to take the dash apart. :POct 06 03:45
DaemonFCSo that's some serious money.Oct 06 03:45
DaemonFCThen it somehow got a chunk taken out of the front grill.Oct 06 03:46
DaemonFCSo I'd need to find a replacement grill.Oct 06 03:46
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iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/google-now-taking-down-eight-pirate-links-every-single-second-131005/Oct 06 04:18
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iophk"If Nokia had kept MeeGo, Jolla wouldn't exist"Oct 06 04:22
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/finland-and-nokia-an-affair-to-remember/2/Oct 06 04:22
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Finland and Nokia: An affair to remember | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fug64 ]Oct 06 04:22
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3134661Oct 06 05:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Is Slackware, The Oldest Remaining Linux Distribution, Right For You? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/is-slackware-the-oldest-remaining-linux-distribution-right-for-you/ #slackware #gnu #linuxOct 06 05:24
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schestowitz_bed2"the author gets rightly put in his place for such a superficial take on Slackware"Oct 06 05:24
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2825073Oct 06 05:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OK, I guess I got #Diaspora installed and running on the server side, need SSL certificate to take it liveOct 06 05:25
schestowitz_bed2"Is this up and running yet?"Oct 06 05:25
schestowitz_bed2No, I put that aside foir now Plenty of news to catch up with first, it's of higher priority.Oct 06 05:26
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schestowitz_bed2https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3144074Oct 06 05:52
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gulag2013I'm going to try this nice postOct 06 06:02
DaemonFChttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2013-September/014480.htmlOct 06 06:07
TechrightsBot-trlists.freedesktop.org | [Nouveau] offer to help, DCB  [ http://ur1.ca/folf8 ]Oct 06 06:07
DaemonFCNvidia says they will be releasing some open documentation of their cards.Oct 06 06:07
JimmyCarteryou can trust google unless theyre subpoenaed or national security lettered, or whatever the hip feds bully with these daysOct 06 06:08
DaemonFChttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2013-September/014497.htmlOct 06 06:10
TechrightsBot-trlists.freedesktop.org | [Nouveau] offer to help, DCBOct 06 06:10
DaemonFC"While I'm personally one of the guys who wouldn't like to see a binary Oct 06 06:10
DaemonFCblob in nouveau, no matter the terms, I've read the firmware blobs Oct 06 06:10
DaemonFCdecompilation and I'm quite concerned about possible security implications."Oct 06 06:10
DaemonFClolOct 06 06:10
DaemonFCNvidia doesn't care about security. They only care about performance. Their driver also cheats. It tries to detect what you're running and apply hacks to speed up the frame rate.Oct 06 06:11
DaemonFChttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2013-September/014584.htmlOct 06 06:11
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DaemonFC"I need to retract my suggestion of Nouveau using NVIDIA'sOct 06 06:12
DaemonFCbinary-only microcode, at least until we get to a point where NVIDIAOct 06 06:12
DaemonFChas earned some trust from Nouveau in our microcode implementations."Oct 06 06:12
JimmyCarterdo they care about security performance ? ^^Oct 06 06:12
DaemonFCYou don't earn trust by releasing binary-only firmware.Oct 06 06:12
DaemonFCThe only purpose of binary-only firmware is to hide things.Oct 06 06:12
DaemonFCJimmyCarter, I've lost count of the number of times that Nvidia's driver has caused critical security issues. They also don't bother to patch them until someone releases a program that actually demonstrates how to exploit their driver.Oct 06 06:13
JimmyCarterpretty soon someone will hack them with their exploits for their own software like adobeOct 06 06:14
DaemonFCProprietary firmware in an otherwise open driver is better than an entirely proprietary driver.Oct 06 06:14
DaemonFCThat's the way AMD decided to go with their open source driver.Oct 06 06:14
gulag2013I'm naive, but why play with Nvidia at all ? Oct 06 06:14
JimmyCartersome people need tflopsOct 06 06:15
DaemonFCBetter hardware than AMD, but the open driver is not very useful.Oct 06 06:15
DaemonFCSo if you use Nvidia, you're going to be stuck with the proprietary driver.Oct 06 06:15
DaemonFCThe Nouveau driver works with my graphics card, but it is painfully slow.Oct 06 06:16
DaemonFCOn really old Nvidia hardware, it sometimes works OK compared with the proprietary driver.Oct 06 06:17
DaemonFCI think the biggest practical concern right now with Nvidia's proprietary driver is that they haven't commented on how well they plan to support Wayland or Mir.Oct 06 06:18
DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/ubuntus-controversial-mir-window-system-wont-ship-with-13-10-desktop/Oct 06 06:21
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Ubuntus controversial Mir window system wont ship with 13.10 desktop | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fugvy ]Oct 06 06:21
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DaemonFCUbuntu is conducting their negotiations with Nvidia and AMD regarding Mir support behind closed doors.Oct 06 06:22
gulag2013Hmm, All I know about Mir is that it is replacing X11 windows something. How will Mir improve the performance?Oct 06 06:25
DaemonFCI don't think it will.Oct 06 06:26
gulag2013I don't understand Ubuntu's intentions with most of what they are doing. Oct 06 06:27
DaemonFCThe justification for replacing X in both Wayland and Mir's case is mostly that X does a lot of undesirable things that can't easily be fixed.Oct 06 06:27
oiaohmgulag2013: X11 is crap.Oct 06 06:35
oiaohmgulag2013: there is even talk of X12 once Wayland and Mir is in place.Oct 06 06:35
oiaohmgulag2013: List of undesirable is X11 secuirty does not work.   Lets take screen savers they are repsonsable for handing non protected userpassword.Oct 06 06:36
gulag2013I don't know, they can do what ever they wish. There was a time I was excited but they flip flop in so many directions. IOct 06 06:36
oiaohmgulag2013: history of X11 is horble.Oct 06 06:37
MinceRoiaohm: what happens if the screensaver crashes on other systems?Oct 06 06:37
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oiaohmMinceR: under Linux the desktop unlocks.Oct 06 06:38
MinceR_other systems_Oct 06 06:38
oiaohmMinceR:  Windows password dialog is handled by the login manager.Oct 06 06:38
oiaohmMinceR: on the screensaver.Oct 06 06:38
MinceRso, what if that crashes?Oct 06 06:38
oiaohmIf login manager crashes on windows you user session is terminated.Oct 06 06:39
MinceR(as for protecting passwords, there's this >> http://www.openwall.com/tcb/ _Oct 06 06:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.openwall.com | tcb - the alternative to /etc/shadowOct 06 06:39
MinceRs/_/)/Oct 06 06:39
MinceRicOct 06 06:39
oiaohmBasically failure should not be access.Oct 06 06:39
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oiaohmSome bugs Windows and Linux has.Oct 06 06:42
oiaohmLike applications able to snoop on other applications windows without requiring permission.Oct 06 06:42
oiaohmHigh secuirty OS's don't tollerate this.Oct 06 06:43
gulag2013Hmm sounds like Explorer and that knowing what you are typing in other windows. Oct 06 06:43
oiaohmgulag2013: one of the key differences of Mir and Wayland is no snooping on other applications without permission from the program controlling the screen output.Oct 06 06:46
oiaohmYep programs by default can only screenshot their own windows.Oct 06 06:46
gulag2013So that is bug in both Linux and Windows?Oct 06 06:47
oiaohmYepOct 06 06:47
oiaohmFedora is dropping userspace X11 drivers.  Or I am a super big security flaw.Oct 06 06:47
oiaohmX11 userspace drivers require access to /dev/mem that is basically raw access to the complete system memory.Oct 06 06:48
gulag2013In what version, I want to test Fedora really soonOct 06 06:48
oiaohmuserspace drivers are very old things gulag2013Oct 06 06:48
oiaohmgulag2013: like you will not be attempting to use like s3 video cards right.Oct 06 06:48
gulag2013I really don't think so.. What is S3?Oct 06 06:49
oiaohmgulag2013: old type of video cardOct 06 06:49
oiaohmverry old type of video car.Oct 06 06:49
oiaohmcardOct 06 06:49
gulag2013Oh, This laptop is three years old, I highly doubt it. Oct 06 06:50
oiaohmgulag2013: no way in hell its in there.Oct 06 06:51
oiaohmgulag2013: we are talking almost 10 years ago was the last time they were made.Oct 06 06:51
gulag2013Ha ha,  well I still plan on testing Fedora. I was thinking userspaces was Workspaces, I turned that of I don't use it. Oct 06 06:53
oiaohmX11 first was design to be fully userspace.Oct 06 06:54
oiaohmNice big security holes.Oct 06 06:54
oiaohmThen it evolved to a little kernel assisted but poorly done.Oct 06 06:55
oiaohmgulag2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo_jZYDzek8   This is a good watch for even just a few minor generations back in X11 drivers issues.Oct 06 06:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | XDC2013: David Herrmann - DRM Security - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fuh2e ]Oct 06 06:56
oiaohmgulag2013: basically dri2 the last generation of X11 drivers for Linux has to be deprecated because it security flawed.Oct 06 06:57
gulag2013Okay, great I can do videos. This topic is a little hard for me to follow.  A little sad for me,  I was thinking Linux was more secure. Oct 06 06:59
oiaohmgulag2013: to be true Linux is more secure than Windows but that is serousally not hard.Oct 06 07:00
oiaohmgulag2013: but compared to high rated secuirty OS's Linux is nothing.Oct 06 07:01
oiaohmFor desktop.Oct 06 07:01
gulag2013Yes, lol sounds like windows is a very low bar Oct 06 07:01
MinceRit isOct 06 07:01
MinceRand what about macos?Oct 06 07:01
oiaohmMinceR: macos for desktop is techically a head of Linux.Oct 06 07:02
gulag2013I read they just sneak in patches, so who knows the truthOct 06 07:02
oiaohmPlease note the for desktop bit.Oct 06 07:02
oiaohmLinux on server is a different game.   Its the graphical side of Linux that has been insanely weak.Oct 06 07:02
oiaohmthe work on wayland really was a sign that people were serousally looking at the Linux desktop.Oct 06 07:03
oiaohmAnd worked out that X11 could not be fixed.Oct 06 07:03
gulag2013Windows Metrofied Server 2012. Why Why Why Oct 06 07:03
MinceRwhy does it exist or why do people use it? :>Oct 06 07:04
gulag2013Why would you add tiles to itOct 06 07:04
prurigrooiaohm: in my experience, linux has been ahead of osx graphically in quite a number of ways for quite some time-- and the ogl limitations of open source drivers were more of an issue in osx last I checkedOct 06 07:04
oiaohmprurigro: secuirty wise OS X has been ahead.Oct 06 07:05
prurigrooiaohm: graphical security?Oct 06 07:05
oiaohmprurigro: mostly because OS X did the sane thing and not use X11Oct 06 07:05
prurigrohow so?Oct 06 07:05
MinceRwhat they did is not saneOct 06 07:06
oiaohmX11 basically has no graphical secruity.Oct 06 07:06
MinceRthe gui is supposed to be a selling point yet it can't maximize windows properly and it can't handle virtual desktops properlyOct 06 07:06
MinceRthe global menu bar is a usability failureOct 06 07:06
oiaohmMinceR: from a userablity point of view I would agree OS X is not sane.Oct 06 07:06
prurigrooiaohm: in regards to what? display servers from other local display servers?Oct 06 07:06
MinceRi thought so :)Oct 06 07:06
gulag2013The maximizing windows on OSX bugs me, Oct 06 07:07
prurigroI got a mac a while back to see what the deal was and there were issues I was running into that I researched and found were essentially "problems with the osx ogl implementation" and that osx was not for gamesOct 06 07:07
prurigrobut that's not really the topicOct 06 07:07
oiaohmprurigro: Like X11 does not include a proper screensaver handling.Oct 06 07:07
oiaohmprurigro: does not include proper memory protections.Oct 06 07:08
gulag2013Ha ha, is that why I have to use caffeine to keep my videos playingOct 06 07:08
oiaohmprurigro: in fact for X11 to operate with other X11 applications you cannot setup secreen secuiryt.Oct 06 07:08
prurigroshould the display server be responsible for screensavers? memory protection I'll give you on shared servers and stuff, but you were talking about the desktopOct 06 07:08
prurigrowell its host based rightOct 06 07:08
prurigroso all or nothing at the localhost levelOct 06 07:09
oiaohmprurigro: to be correct login manager should be in charge of screensaver in a lot of ways.Oct 06 07:09
MinceRit doesn't have to be the login managerOct 06 07:09
oiaohmsystemd-logind  for wayland can run screensaver as independant instance.Oct 06 07:09
oiaohmSo screensaver dies and you have access to nothing.Oct 06 07:10
prurigrogdm does a decent job these days I've foundOct 06 07:10
oiaohmprurigro: exactly why is a login manager graphical.Oct 06 07:10
prurigroword, but you still don't think this is secure enough?Oct 06 07:10
oiaohmprurigro: you want the least possible running as root.Oct 06 07:10
DaemonFClolOct 06 07:11
oiaohmremember gdm is infact running as root.Oct 06 07:11
DaemonFCwatching Malcolm in the MiddleOct 06 07:11
DaemonFC"They have advanced textbooks, and good teachers, and all sorts of things they don't want to waste on normal kids."Oct 06 07:11
prurigrooiaohm: yeah, though if noone can remotely connect to gdm it shouldn't be an issueOct 06 07:11
oiaohmprurigro: no you are forgeting shared computers.Oct 06 07:12
oiaohmLike in libraries.Oct 06 07:12
prurigrowell I wouldn't exactly define that as a desktopOct 06 07:12
DaemonFCI hated public school. I had to go there for a couple of years and felt like I was rotting.Oct 06 07:12
prurigrothose are more along the lines of terminals, in my experienceOct 06 07:12
oiaohmprurigro: they can still be full desktop computers.Oct 06 07:12
oiaohmBasically the complete design of X11 is just flawed all over the place.Oct 06 07:13
DaemonFCWhen I went back to private school, I ended up finishing three years worth of material in a year and finishing high school at the age of 15.Oct 06 07:13
oiaohmLike GDM is a hack.Oct 06 07:13
prurigrosure, but you wouldn't have people staying logged in while others use themOct 06 07:13
prurigroin libraryOct 06 07:13
prurigroies*Oct 06 07:13
DaemonFCI've always been one to "rip the bandaid off".Oct 06 07:13
prurigroif they were desktopsOct 06 07:13
oiaohmprurigro: x11 was desing as a single user interface.Oct 06 07:13
DaemonFCWhen something is unpleasant, I push myself to just get it over with.Oct 06 07:13
oiaohmprurigro: instead of redesign it properly.Oct 06 07:13
oiaohmitems like GDM were invented.Oct 06 07:13
oiaohmprurigro: remember running as root you can login to any user.Oct 06 07:14
prurigrooiaohm: X11 came along when the idea of multiple people using the same computer (that wasn't a terminal) wasn't really feasibleOct 06 07:14
oiaohmprurigro: no the first version of X11 was single user.Oct 06 07:14
prurigrooiaohm: you don't think gdm drops permissions as soon as its launched?Oct 06 07:14
oiaohmthe multi user bit was added latter.Oct 06 07:14
DaemonFCX11 is only slightly older than I am.Oct 06 07:15
DaemonFCIt hasn't aged well.Oct 06 07:15
prurigroyeah, that's what I was saying-- it's not even really multiuser now-- just separate serversOct 06 07:15
oiaohmprurigro: it cannot because there was no background server to change from user to user.Oct 06 07:15
prurigrowhat do you mean?Oct 06 07:16
MinceRif it's the first version, it's X1, not X11 :>Oct 06 07:16
oiaohmMinceR: no X11 was design as a extendable protocol.Oct 06 07:17
DaemonFC"The first truly modular disaster."Oct 06 07:17
prurigroare we on X11R7 yet? :)Oct 06 07:17
oiaohmprurigro: display managers or like KDM/GDM.  start the X11 server that is the user session.Oct 06 07:17
MinceRi seem to remember that x.org is now X11R7 or something.Oct 06 07:18
oiaohmprurigro: and that X11 server still runs as root.Oct 06 07:18
oiaohmprurigro: wayland is infact design never to be running as root.Oct 06 07:18
oiaohmprurigro: all root operations are pushed back to the logind or equal.Oct 06 07:18
prurigrooiaohm: what do you suppose the gdm user and groups are on my computer for then?Oct 06 07:18
oiaohmprurigro: that allows attempted steping down.Oct 06 07:19
prurigroI'm pretty sure that's what the xserver would be run underOct 06 07:19
prurigrolike, it doesn't need root to run XOct 06 07:19
oiaohmOnly recent X11 with DRI2 got the means to run without root a little.Oct 06 07:20
prurigroweird, my system shows gdm running "systemd"Oct 06 07:21
oiaohmsystemd places other wrappers around gdm.Oct 06 07:21
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1X8DTHZCC4Y2LOct 06 07:21
prurigrohrm? what do you mean the means to run without root?Oct 06 07:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: US Military Will Use Drones to Spy on North Korea  [ http://ur1.ca/fuh6z ]Oct 06 07:21
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 06 07:21
DaemonFC"Beginning next spring, the Air Force will fly several drones near North Korean borders to gather intelligence data on the reclusive country, where an estimated 24 million people live under oppression, sealed off from the rest of the world."Oct 06 07:21
DaemonFCpfft....Oct 06 07:21
DaemonFCThey've been doing that in a country of 300 million oppressed people that are increasingly sealed off from the rest of the world for over ten years.Oct 06 07:21
DaemonFC:) Oct 06 07:21
oiaohmprurigro: only with DRI2+ drivers.Oct 06 07:21
prurigroX has always been able to run without root-- we were talking about *dmsOct 06 07:21
oiaohmprurigro: to interface with screen X11 has always required root.Oct 06 07:22
oiaohmUntil dri2Oct 06 07:22
prurigrowhat about when you logged in as your user and ran "startx"?Oct 06 07:22
oiaohmThen dri2 buffer handling was stuffed up and guessable.Oct 06 07:22
oiaohmprurigro: that is a suid bitted as rootOct 06 07:22
prurigroand X too?Oct 06 07:23
prurigroit isn't on my machineOct 06 07:23
prurigroahh, xorg is thoOct 06 07:23
prurigrowell there ya goOct 06 07:24
prurigrolearned something new :)Oct 06 07:24
oiaohmYep.Oct 06 07:25
oiaohmOr in otherwords the first secuirty hole we want by by.Oct 06 07:26
prurigroon a similar note, wayland is in serious need of full desktop support (which I hear gnome 3.10 is almost able to deliver now), but it worked quite nicely last I testedOct 06 07:26
oiaohmprurigro: gets worse when you start running more than 1 x11 session on a single video card and switching between them.Oct 06 07:26
brendynman, anyone know how to do javascript bullshit to download things begind jplayer buttons and ajax pages?Oct 06 07:26
oiaohmprurigro: like with DRI2 and beffer only one set off buffers on the video card.Oct 06 07:27
oiaohmprurigro: so lets play the magic dance of not step on each other.Oct 06 07:27
oiaohmDRI3 is bring render nodes and other isolation things.Oct 06 07:27
oiaohmWell and truely overdue.Oct 06 07:27
prurigrobrendyn: ajax will be exposed to everything that looks at the source once the page loads it (view source simply chooses to give ou the pre-ajax version, so grab developer tools or maybe it was firebug to view the newer sources)Oct 06 07:28
prurigrobrendyn: and then I think jplayer just has you drop the filename into its args iircOct 06 07:28
brendynprurigro: I need to do it systematically with tens of thousands of files on thousands of pages Oct 06 07:29
*brendyn promises he is up to no goodOct 06 07:29
prurigrooiaohm: word, yeah, I definitely had points back in the day where offscreens from one session were accidentally pasted into refreshing images on another display server session-- xgl helped a lot thereOct 06 07:29
prurigrobrendyn: hmm, I woner if wget or curl can trigger ajax...Oct 06 07:29
oiaohmprurigro: the possiblity todo that is still in all current X11 servers.Oct 06 07:29
brendyni searched google but it really didnt look promisingOct 06 07:30
brendyni could not find much interesting in inspect elementOct 06 07:30
oiaohmprurigro: basically X11 is a huge stuffed up mess.Oct 06 07:30
oiaohmprurigro: this is why X12 is being considered after wayland.  For a new remote X11 protocal with a huge stack of legacy stupidity killed.Oct 06 07:30
prurigrobrendyn: maybe use firebug to check what arguments are triggering the ajax to load new stuff, and then emulate that input using curl?Oct 06 07:31
brendynhmmm maybe, but its alright beyond my newby skillsOct 06 07:31
prurigrooiaohm: ontop of wayland or as a more use-specific platform now that the desktop people won't be complaining?Oct 06 07:32
prurigrobrendyn: that's how you learn though!Oct 06 07:32
oiaohmprurigro: wayland will be able to do remote very well using rendernodes and other things to send 3d grade graphics by VNC or RDP.Oct 06 07:32
brendynOh wow, you're completely right. I had to click to expand (yet another) html div thingy before I could see the direct linkOct 06 07:33
oiaohmprurigro: X12 will be attempt to get a more traffic compact protocol.Oct 06 07:33
brendynHowever, this still leaves the challange of making wget do itOct 06 07:33
brendynI was thinking that It could be possible with some kind of javascript bookmarklet, but i dont even know javascriptOct 06 07:33
prurigrooiaohm: oh sick-- that's actually a major fallback in the usability dept for X11; RDP style drawing, where a compressed image isn't what's required to be sentOct 06 07:34
oiaohmprurigro: RDP and VNC are both compressed image sends.Oct 06 07:34
oiaohmprurigro: virtualgl prototype with X11 was also compressed image send but it did not work well because it was hacking the local video card drivers to work.Oct 06 07:35
brendynIf i copy paste the link to wget I can download it, and i dont even need to use my login detailsOct 06 07:35
oiaohmprurigro: basically remote 3d acceated will become normal.Oct 06 07:35
prurigrobrendyn: I feel like you might have better luck with curl or something where you're speaking to the server rather than something attempting to download the html presented... though following links would be far less energy than curlOct 06 07:35
brendynbut traversing the page to get the link in the first place... :/Oct 06 07:35
oiaohmprurigro: X11 remote advantage is the means to send to client end what area of screen are of intest to applications.Oct 06 07:36
oiaohmprurigro: so clicking else were does not result in network traffic that much.Oct 06 07:36
brendynhmm ok, but where to start.Oct 06 07:36
prurigrooiaohm: word, yeah, that part I like too-- surely wayland could do that though since the whole 3d thing places each screen in a separate offscreenOct 06 07:37
prurigrobrendyn: I've done something similar by using sqlite to create a temporary database of links each time it happens upon one (with an if statement checking it's in the domain I want checked), not adding duplicaes, and then going through one by one each time it gets to the end of the previousOct 06 07:38
brendynholy shitOct 06 07:38
brendynwhat about http://ubuntuincident.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/scraping-ajax-web-pages/Oct 06 07:39
prurigroused that to parse a giant intranet site and extract relevant information in the header and footer of each :)Oct 06 07:39
TechrightsBot-trubuntuincident.wordpress.com | Scraping AJAX web pages (Part 1) | The Ubuntu Incident  [ http://ur1.ca/fuh9q ]Oct 06 07:39
brendynsecond option uses webkitOct 06 07:39
prurigroohh yeah, I forgot there was a cli version of webkitOct 06 07:39
brendynreckon it would be fruitful to try it?Oct 06 07:40
prurigroodds of getting it to easily give you the resulting ajax page are higher, so I'd say yes-- even if you do then have to do something fancy for a recursive scanOct 06 07:40
oiaohmprurigro: X12 also will move applications off screens into independant zones.   So different handling to share buffers.Oct 06 07:41
prurigrooiaohm: even when rendering 2d you mean?Oct 06 07:41
oiaohmprurigro: even for 2d rendering.Oct 06 07:41
prurigro(since it already does this sans memory protection in 3d)Oct 06 07:41
prurigrointerestingOct 06 07:41
oiaohmprurigro: you know X11 magic stuff.Oct 06 07:41
brendynthe website has a page full of normal html links. i follow those, and then there are 5 ajax tabs that contain different collections of text and jplayer buttons that i need to downloadOct 06 07:41
oiaohmprurigro: this is really stupid.   Over network X11 sends magic ID as plain text.Oct 06 07:42
oiaohmprurigro: X11 without ssh wrapping is open to attack so many ways its not funny.Oct 06 07:42
prurigrobrendyn: you're going for the text too eh? I guess you could just get a list of links to parse the first time, then go through and wget each of those directly with a second script, as an alternative (assuming links aren't generated for the session)Oct 06 07:43
oiaohmprurigro: Like at Univistory I use to be able to snoop on anyones screen because it was not encrypted.Oct 06 07:43
oiaohmprurigro: yes X11 default spec says not encrypted.Oct 06 07:43
prurigrooiaohm: they're probably relying on the networking solution being used to protect it no? like ssh?Oct 06 07:43
oiaohmprurigro: what happens if you are logged into the same source matching.Oct 06 07:44
prurigrouniversity shoulda setup their vpn with encryptionOct 06 07:44
prurigroit should be end to endOct 06 07:44
prurigroa different terminal shell shouldn't even be able to see itOct 06 07:44
oiaohmprurigro: but its not ssh wrapping.Oct 06 07:44
prurigroyeah, but their vpnOct 06 07:44
oiaohmprurigro: same with vpn from same host.Oct 06 07:44
oiaohmprurigro: ie traffic snooping same end.Oct 06 07:44
prurigrowouldn't each terminal be a separate end point?Oct 06 07:45
oiaohmEncrypted protocols beat VPN.Oct 06 07:45
oiaohmprurigro: histroically no.Oct 06 07:45
oiaohmprurigro: because cgroup network splitting is only recent invention and basically not used.Oct 06 07:46
prurigroI'm a firm believer that the bottom network layer should be encryptedOct 06 07:46
oiaohmI am a firm believer that what should be encrypted should be encrypted when it enters the network stack anywhere.Oct 06 07:46
prurigroword, cjdns would work, though that's too recent to be the solution used in schoolsOct 06 07:46
prurigroI actually like the idea of TRESOR on that noteOct 06 07:47
prurigrothough I don't feel like maintaining my own kernel fork of Arch'sOct 06 07:47
prurigrotresor + cjdns would be encrypted for the local machine before entering the network stack, and then encrypted the moment it does thanks to cjdnsOct 06 07:48
prurigro(the latter being encrypted for the destination)Oct 06 07:49
prurigroI suppose at that point the only potential hole would be someone on the local machine with root access tcpdumpingOct 06 07:49
brendynI think there are latency critical tasks in various areas of science etc, such that mandatory encryption screws with that a bitOct 06 07:50
prurigrowhich would be solved by X encrypting the stream, trueOct 06 07:50
prurigroI woudln't really trust a remote X session to be real time.. hahaOct 06 07:50
prurigroalso, the spec says no encryption is mandatory; oiaohm wasn't suggesting to make encryption mandatory, just remove the "you can't do that"Oct 06 07:51
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oiaohmprurigro: exactly encryption should be optionalOct 06 07:51
oiaohmprurigro: not forbinOct 06 07:52
prurigroyeah- if people want every layer of their computer encrypted they should be able toOct 06 07:52
brendynif network providers encrypt, you have no choice but to deal with the consequencesOct 06 07:52
prurigroand ideally, people could use a encryption type of their choiceOct 06 07:52
oiaohmallowing tcpdumping should not magically destroy eveyrone privacy.Oct 06 07:52
prurigrotrueOct 06 07:53
oiaohmThinking you might need to tcpdump to debug issues.Oct 06 07:53
prurigrocourse, you want password + pub/priv key crypto if you wanna be post-quantum, so hopefully they'd include thatOct 06 07:53
prurigrono sense in encrypting if your packets can be opened up in a couple yearsOct 06 07:54
prurigrowell, a sense, but less of one than keeping your info secure for the foreseeable futureOct 06 07:54
oiaohmprurigro: couple of years might be enough secuirty.Oct 06 07:55
oiaohmLike to prevent insider trading.Oct 06 07:55
oiaohmprurigro: encrypted is a question of are the objectives.   Not all encryption has to have a long life.Oct 06 07:58
prurigrotrue, it depends what you're protecting ehOct 06 08:02
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prurigroI'd rather not need to think how long I need something hidden for (if at all) for some more generic things like remote desktop thoughOct 06 08:03
brendyncomputers are probably the most frustrating thing in the universeOct 06 08:12
DaemonFCWhat the hell is up with edmunds.com?Oct 06 08:12
prurigros/frustrating/awesomeOct 06 08:13
DaemonFCI went to look at the reliability rating for the Ford Freestar, and it lists "no major problems".Oct 06 08:13
DaemonFCBut it seems like anyone that has actually owned one reports that the transmission burns out about every 60,000 miles and they have other issues as well.Oct 06 08:13
DaemonFCThe engine seems to be the only good thing on the van (figures, since it's the same one they put on the F-150).Oct 06 08:14
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founder-asks-danish-authorities-to-drop-hacking-case-131006/Oct 06 08:14
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Pirate Bay Founder Asks Danish Authorities to Drop Hacking Case | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fuhgq ]Oct 06 08:14
DaemonFCFord recalled a few hundred thousand of them to fix the transmission issue, but people that were paying to have the transmission repaired before the recall were paying about $2,800 for a rebuild.Oct 06 08:15
iophkIt would be remarkable if the Danes bring Gottfrid to court in spite of  the Swedish judgment. It would mean, in principle, that one country  after another could do this to him despite the acquittal,Oct 06 08:15
DaemonFCAs far as I can tell, Ford didn't recall the one that I was looking at, but I still don't want to risk any of my money on it.Oct 06 08:15
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brendynprurigro: i wonder if i could do it with emacs lol by loading the page to it, opening the js bullshit and then using macros to eat up the html and download stuffOct 06 08:39
prurigrobrendyn: why on earth would you use emacs for that? haha, grep and sed should be plentyOct 06 08:40
brendynbecause emacs can do everythingOct 06 08:40
brendynim still trying to figure out how to just open the god damn pageOct 06 08:40
prurigroyeah, but grep and sed can be loaded into a scriptOct 06 08:40
prurigroonce you get that, if you can output the text to your screen you're setOct 06 08:41
brendynIf I can actually get the generated html, then everything is downhill from thereOct 06 08:41
prurigrogrep -o -e is your friend (-o only returns the part that matches and -e is for regex)Oct 06 08:41
brendynah didnt know thatOct 06 08:41
prurigroso like \"http:\/\/domain[^\"]*\" or something, then snip the quotes with sedOct 06 08:42
prurigroor cutOct 06 08:42
brendynI'll do that later. Currently I just want to figure out how to get through the javascriptOct 06 08:42
brendynive managed to log in to the site with wget and save cookiesOct 06 08:42
prurigrolol, not sure wget can handle ajax tho-- if you're not using that webkit thingOct 06 08:43
brendynthe internet tells me i cant do itOct 06 08:43
prurigrooh well, I'd trust the internet thenOct 06 08:43
brendyn;(Oct 06 08:43
brendynnot sure how to use webkitOct 06 08:43
brendyni wonder can i get to a login site with that tooOct 06 08:43
prurigroyou can almost definitely pass parametersOct 06 08:44
prurigroits webkitOct 06 08:44
brendynhow does one click an imaginary button :)Oct 06 08:45
brendynsorry but i just really fucking hate solving these problems so i have to ask for lots of helpOct 06 08:47
prurigrobrendyn: the button likely triggers a function or post that you can scriptOct 06 08:56
brendynyeahOct 06 09:00
brendynim trying to figure out logging to the site with phantomjsOct 06 09:00
brendynanyway i have to sleep so ill try it laterOct 06 09:04
brendynthanksOct 06 09:04
prurigrohaha good luck!Oct 06 09:06
prurigrociaoOct 06 09:06
iophkhttp://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2013/10/uk-debuts-first-open-standard.htmlOct 06 09:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerweekly.com | UK debuts first open standards with fanfare of kazoos - Public Sector IT  [ http://ur1.ca/fuhyy ]Oct 06 09:13
iophk"The ICT Strategy said document formats would be in the first tranche of compulsory open standards."Oct 06 09:16
iophkbut how far did they really get?Oct 06 09:16
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiCAJ8ULnaIOct 06 10:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Jiffy Lube Scam Caught on Tape! - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fui6v ]Oct 06 10:02
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_626867&feature=iv&src_vid=wiCAJ8ULnaI&v=Pf6KY6rrqYUOct 06 10:12
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Jiffy Lube still scamming customers! - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fui8i ]Oct 06 10:12
DaemonFCNobody should do an "engine flush".Oct 06 10:12
DaemonFCeverOct 06 10:12
ANOTHER SOURCE:
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3124229Oct 01 01:10
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: "Ubuntu continues to push the envelope and aggravate the community with each new release"' http://blog.linuxacademy.com/linux/ubuntu-linux-13-10-preview-docking-with-mir/Oct 01 01:10
TechrightsBot-tr-> blog.linuxacademy.com | Ubuntu Linux 13.10 Preview: Docking With Mir | Linux Academy Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/fs191 ]Oct 01 01:10
schestowitz"“Ubuntu is not Linux” according to Mr. Shuttleworth as they continue to try and differentiate Ubuntu in the eyes of the world and develop their own branding Shameful."Oct 01 01:10
JimmyCartersurely they cant deny uses linux kernel.... "Yes uses Linux kernel, but its not Linux."Oct 01 01:12
JimmyCarterwe had extra hues to "ls --color" now its no longer linuxOct 01 01:16
JimmyCarterdd*Oct 01 01:16
JimmyCarteraddOct 01 01:16
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sebsebsebJimmyCarter: Android isn't Desktop LInuxOct 01 01:55
sebsebseb,but is also a Linux distributionOct 01 01:55
sebsebsebhowever one wiithout GNU as wellOct 01 01:55
sebsebseb,but since it uses Linux it's a Linux distributionOct 01 01:55
sebsebseband just, because Ubuntu will use Mir  instead of Wayland unike ike al othe distrosOct 01 01:56
sebsebsebdoesn't make it no less of a Linux distorOct 01 01:56
sebsebsebJimmyCarter: nice background for the betaOct 01 01:59
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prurigrofinally, a reason to specify gnu/linux is hereOct 01 04:31
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schestowitzJimmyCarter: lolOct 01 05:17
prurigroJimmyCarter: I threw an archlinux filesystem ontop of my linux/android OS and ls --color works like a charm :)Oct 01 05:30
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MinceR003934 < Sosumi> for the privacy issues?Oct 01 06:34
MinceRindeedOct 01 06:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/384762624463753216?refsrc=emailOct 01 06:38
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: EU LIBE Inquiry on Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens - http://t.co/2uDM7Loql4 resource behind great talk (v @schestowitz) #nsaOct 01 06:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> anniemachon.ch | European Parliament LIBE Inquiry on Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens - Using Our IntelligenceOct 01 06:38
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iophkhttp://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/30/delta-pilots-fought-against-deal-to-replace-ipad-flight-bags-with-microsoft-surfaceOct 01 07:20
TechrightsBot-trappleinsider.com | Delta Pilots fought against deal to replace iPad flight bags with Microsoft Surface  [ http://ur1.ca/fsdfp ]Oct 01 07:20
iophkold - http://www.billparish.com/20011128msftupdate.htmlOct 01 07:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.billparish.com | Microsoft Pyramid Update  [ http://ur1.ca/fsdhl ]Oct 01 07:21
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iophkhttp://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/09/richard-stallman-on-the-hacker-spirit-at-mit/Oct 01 08:18
TechrightsBot-trblogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Hacker Spirit at MIT - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/fsemr ]Oct 01 08:18
iophk"What follows is part of a long interview I conducted with him in 1999, when I was carrying out research for "Rebel Code". Most of this is unpublished"Oct 01 08:18
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/microsoft-privacy-chief-nsaOct 01 08:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after NSA revelations | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsevq ]Oct 01 08:28
iophk"he only uses open source software where he can examine the underlying code."Oct 01 08:29
iophkIs he the first one of his kind?Oct 01 08:29
iophkNo non-competes or other clauses in his contract?Oct 01 08:29
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/snowden-says-his-sole-intention-was-to-prompt-national-security-debate/Oct 01 08:34
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Snowden says his “sole intention” was to prompt national security debate | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fsezm ]Oct 01 08:34
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/30/email-surveillance-could-reveal-journalists-sources-expert-claimsOct 01 08:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Email surveillance could reveal journalists' sources, expert claims | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsff0 ]Oct 01 08:55
MinceRgeekingsOct 01 09:02
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/10/compare-elop-to-his-predecessor-kallasvuo-one-was-bad-one-was-the-worst-ever.htmlOct 01 09:15
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Compare Elop to his Predecessor Kallasvuo. One was Bad. One was The Worst Ever  [ http://ur1.ca/fsfvs ]Oct 01 09:15
DaemonFCMinceR, Apparently you're exempt from the Obamacare penalty for not having health insurance if you had a financial hardship.Oct 01 09:27
DaemonFCThe list includes a utility shut off notice.Oct 01 09:27
DaemonFCSo why not just go a couple of months without paying the gas bill, waiting for them to send a shut off notice, and then pay it?Oct 01 09:28
DaemonFCThe late fee for that is only like $20, but it gets you out of the $695 Obamacare penalty for the year.Oct 01 09:28
DaemonFCJust do that every year and you save $675.Oct 01 09:28
*DaemonFC wonders if they stopped to think about how many people would figure this out.Oct 01 09:29
DaemonFChttp://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3312edf54c/hank-schrader-what-happens-nextOct 01 09:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.funnyordie.com | Hank Schrader: What Happens Next with Dean Norris from Dean Norris, Nick Wiger, Andy Maxwell, Brian Lane, Funny Or Die, Jessica Leigh Schwartz, and BoTown Sound  [ http://ur1.ca/fsg8p ]Oct 01 09:36
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/09/gendarmerie_linux/Oct 01 10:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | French National Police Switch 37,000 Desktop PCs to Linux | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsh2p ]Oct 01 10:29
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roy_iophk: quote?Oct 01 10:42
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384976864454131712Oct 01 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #nsa is suppressing journalism http://t.co/ugaSNPjBfmOct 01 10:43
iophkindirect quoteOct 01 10:44
roy_iophk: yeahOct 01 10:44
roy_well, he's a father now, that keeps him busyOct 01 10:44
roy_better for Linux and esp. GNUOct 01 10:45
roy_bblOct 01 10:45
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iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/microsoft-cant-even-get-it-interested-in-its-mobile-platform-227568Oct 01 11:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Microsoft can't even get IT interested in its mobile platform | Mobile Technology - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fshom ]Oct 01 11:10
oiaohmiophk: the bad part for Microsoft is once tizen sailfishos and ubuntu land its going to be even harder. Oct 01 11:11
oiaohmiophk: reason theses will bring a Android compadible market.Oct 01 11:11
iophkYes one of the features marketed about Sailfish is Android compatibilityOct 01 11:12
iophkI'm more interested in what it inherited from MeegoOct 01 11:12
oiaohmiophk: same with Tizen and UbuntuOct 01 11:12
iophkand FirefoxOSOct 01 11:12
oiaohmFirefox OS is targeted at lower end market.Oct 01 11:12
oiaohmand not android compadible.Oct 01 11:13
iophkAre there any plain phones out there?  Something that just makes calls and holds a charge for a week or two?Oct 01 11:14
oiaohmiophk: funny enough is that is firefox OS target.Oct 01 11:15
oiaohmiophk: http://www.geek.com/mobile/firefox-os-minimum-specs-cant-get-much-more-minimal-1541349/  Note the firefox min specs.Oct 01 11:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.geek.com | Firefox OS minimum specs can’t get much more minimal | Mobile | Geek.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fshsl ]Oct 01 11:17
oiaohmiophk: 800 mhz single core processor with 256 megs ram.Oct 01 11:18
oiaohmiophk: or in otherwords I sip power configuration.Oct 01 11:18
iophkLow specs to be sure.  But there is no mention of how it performsOct 01 11:18
iophksmartphones are uninterestingOct 01 11:18
oiaohmthere are other reviews out there finding the performance very denent.Oct 01 11:19
oiaohmiophk: remember symbian OS was a stock and trade for a long time in the feature phones.Oct 01 11:20
oiaohmReally I miss the lack of flip phones.Oct 01 11:20
iophkor candy bars.  You could fit a lot of modern battery in that form factor now.Oct 01 11:20
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oiaohmiophk: ever seen the series eden of the east.Oct 01 11:22
iophknoOct 01 11:22
oiaohmiophk: eden of the east flip phone I would love to have.Oct 01 11:22
iophkdon't they break after some use?Oct 01 11:23
oiaohmiophk: I have a 10 year old flip phone I have used dayly.Oct 01 11:25
iophkmost netbooks or notebooks die physically long before that.Oct 01 11:26
iophkThe connection between the screen and the main box starts to go usually.Oct 01 11:26
oiaohmiophk: http://www.japanator.com/elephant/ul/9937-620x-edenoftheeastcellphone.jpg  NEC did up prototype of the phone then never put it into mass production.Oct 01 11:26
oiaohmiophk: the design is that you can stand it like a webcam on a desk as well as use as a phone.Oct 01 11:27
iophkstrangeOct 01 11:27
iophkkind of ugly thoughOct 01 11:28
iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documentsOct 01 11:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | NSA stores metadata of millions of web users for up to a year, secret files show | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fryeh ]Oct 01 11:28
oiaohmiophk: kind ugly is why I like it.   I phone is a tool so why should it look perfectly nice.Oct 01 11:31
oiaohmiophk: http://lightofthedawn.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/konachan-com-50838-higashi_no_eden.jpg  anime serries picture.Oct 01 11:32
oiaohmiophk: the romain numbers 1 to 12 on the phone in the series are individual peoples like logs/blogs of activies they are doing.Oct 01 11:34
oiaohmiophk: yes you could call it a true social media phone.Oct 01 11:34
oiaohmiophk: mind you nothing could be as ugly as my first phone that was a bag phone.Oct 01 11:36
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iophkIs this the same part of NIST that was infiltrated a few years ago by M$ to bend it into supporting OOXML?Oct 01 14:25
iophkhttps://threatpost.com/silent-circle-moving-away-from-nist-ciphers-in-wake-of-nsa-revelations/102452Oct 01 14:25
TechrightsBot-trthreatpost.com | Silent Circle Moving Away From NIST Ciphers in Wake of NSA Revelations | Threatpost  [ http://ur1.ca/fskk4 ]Oct 01 14:25
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iophkhttp://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon_2013_kde4/img25.htmlOct 01 14:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.openbsd.org | Slide 26  [ http://ur1.ca/fskwm ]Oct 01 14:52
iophkKDEOct 01 14:52
iophknot sure if it's seriousOct 01 14:53
MinceRwhere do they get metrics like this?Oct 01 14:54
iophkno source givenOct 01 14:54
MinceRi doubt it's seriousOct 01 14:54
iophkprobably not, it would be hard to guessOct 01 14:54
iophkThere aren't really any mechanism for monitoring usage in OpenBSDOct 01 14:54
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 01 17:13
DaemonFCIt's a good thing they're not hosting on Windows Server, or it would have totally collapsed and wouldn't even be loading the main page at this point. Oct 01 17:13
DaemonFC(on the health insurance exchange website)Oct 01 17:13
iophkbased on the Guardian article linked to earlier:Oct 01 17:14
iophkhttp://hothardware.com/News/Former-Microsoft-Privacy-Chief-Says-He-No-Longer-Trusts-The-Company/Oct 01 17:14
TechrightsBot-trhothardware.com | Former Microsoft Privacy Chief Says He No Longer Trusts The Company - HotHardware  [ http://ur1.ca/fsmxt ]Oct 01 17:14
iophkThis one has a map of the traffic through the USOct 01 17:14
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 01 17:23
DaemonFCWell, I've never had a problem with a Fedora update, but we have bittorrent and a few hundred mirrors with lots of bandwidth.Oct 01 17:23
DaemonFCIt doesn't surprise me that Apple's update servers get flaky. As long as your credit card gets billed first, they have no reason to care.Oct 01 17:23
DaemonFCMaybe Apple should just turn their customers computers into a mandatory botnet like certain other proprietary software does to keep their hosting costs down. It's not like the users have the power to make this sort of software stop doing nasty things to them. :) Oct 01 17:23
DaemonFC(in reply to someone that mentioned that Apple's update servers have issues on release days)Oct 01 17:24
DaemonFCAT&T has raised prices again.Oct 01 17:40
DaemonFCA basic phone line with no features is now $23 plus taxes and fees.Oct 01 17:41
roy_> FYIOct 01 18:45
roy_> Oct 01 18:45
roy_> http://infojustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Brazilian_Patent_Reform.pdfOct 01 18:45
roy_> Oct 01 18:45
roy_> Amongst others very interesting pages ten or so pages concerningOct 01 18:45
roy_> software patents ( beginning at page 199 ).Oct 01 18:45
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385097697222754305Oct 01 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft's legacy of violating privacy and lying about it http://t.co/LczjBXOBAr #microsoft #privacyOct 01 18:56
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MinceR182401 < DaemonFC> Maybe Apple should just turn their customers computers into a mandatory botnet like certain other proprietary software does to keep their hosting costs down. It's not like Oct 01 19:37
MinceR                   the users have the power to make this sort of software stop doing nasty things to them. :) Oct 01 19:37
MinceRhow do you know they aren't?Oct 01 19:37
MinceRthey totally own hypeDevices in a way people who paid for them don'tOct 01 19:37
Sosumihttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3NDEOct 01 19:57
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA Drops Linux Driver Feature Not Found On Windows  [ http://ur1.ca/fspaj ]Oct 01 19:57
Sosumimore "love" from nvidia Oct 01 19:57
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Sosumiaccording to Bernays, the inclusion of the rudimentary thumb scan on the hypePhone, was a concerted move between apple and cigar cutter manufacturers in order to sell cigar cuttersOct 01 20:01
Sosumitrue storyOct 01 20:01
Sosumiwith prosthectics manufacturers thrown somewhere in the middleOct 01 20:03
Sosumiand the conspiracy keeps building upOct 01 20:04
MinceR:)Oct 01 20:05
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sebsebseb Oct 01 20:13
Sosumisebsebseb, seb³ would be much more efficientOct 01 20:17
iophksosumi: irc can't do unicode in namesOct 01 20:17
Sosumishame on me thenOct 01 20:17
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sebsebsebSosumi: that would ruin my whole name thing toOct 01 20:24
sebsebsebit's got nothing too do with a 3 in the air Oct 01 20:25
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Sosumithat mathOct 01 20:32
Sosumispot the differencesOct 01 20:38
Sosumiwww.nasa.govOct 01 20:38
Sosumiwww.nsa.govOct 01 20:38
Sosuminsa finally updated :)Oct 01 20:39
SosumiI bet they were too busy editing "David Cameron's Camera ON"Oct 01 20:40
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iophkmarketeering disguised as 'research' http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1747235/the-memo-that-spawned-microsoft-researchOct 01 21:00
TechrightsBot-trtech.slashdot.org | The Memo That Spawned Microsoft Research - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fsqc6 ]Oct 01 21:00
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roy_1indeedOct 01 21:34
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385140466033131520Oct 01 21:34
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Uploaded about 150 photos from last month http://t.co/GznPwzOxbgOct 01 21:34
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | Around ManchesterOct 01 21:34
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385141106562039808Oct 01 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdotOct 01 21:36
roy_1Nathan Myhrvold and xconomyOct 01 21:37
roy_1typical MS talking pointsOct 01 21:37
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385141818037653505  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385142124444135424 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385143069680861184Oct 01 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Wilder than ski jump http://t.co/jY5JwCmfotOct 01 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Collaboration http://t.co/8Sa21tAm0JOct 01 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Two #Mormon 'missionaries' wasted two hours of my time (and my wife's) this morning. It's like traveling salesmen, theist edition...Oct 01 21:45
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3124228Oct 01 21:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Ubuntu continues to push the envelope and aggravate the community with each new release"' http://blog.linuxacademy.com/linux/ubuntu-linux-13-10-preview-docking-with-mir/Oct 01 21:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> blog.linuxacademy.com | Ubuntu Linux 13.10 Preview: Docking With Mir | Linux Academy Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/fs191 ]Oct 01 21:46
roy_1"Have been enjoying Linux Mint Debian Edition myself."Oct 01 21:47
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3126974Oct 01 21:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #nsa is suppressing journalism http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/30/email-surveillance-could-reveal-journalists-sources-expert-claimsOct 01 21:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Email surveillance could reveal journalists' sources, expert claims | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsff0 ]Oct 01 21:47
roy_1"Maybe, to protect leakers, someone could make a "lemmings" email program for journalists, scientists and government employees that would create regular bogus communications that could be filtered out by a message contained key phrase. The program could be distributed by Union of Concerned Scientists, government employee unions, etc. It would establish regular, random communications between the user and major newspapers."Oct 01 21:48
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128339Oct 01 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's legacy of violating privacy and lying about it http://hothardware.com/News/Former-Microsoft-Privacy-Chief-Says-He-No-Longer-Trusts-The-Company/ #microsoft #privacyOct 01 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> hothardware.com | Former Microsoft Privacy Chief Says He No Longer Trusts The Company - HotHardware  [ http://ur1.ca/fsmxt ]Oct 01 21:48
roy_1'Oct 01 21:48
roy_1"<sarcasm> WoW I am shocked </sarcaasm>"Oct 01 21:49
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/shut-day-humor-government-closedOct 01 22:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Shut Day Humor: Is The Government Closed? | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fss2y ]Oct 01 22:40
Sosumiwell ofc not, the "invisible" government composed by the military/intelligence industrial complex and special interest groups continue in sound operationOct 01 22:43
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/Db79A43.pngOct 01 23:22
MinceRgnOct 01 23:28
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pookitois anybody available for a quick question?Oct 02 01:59
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roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385293971398078464Oct 02 07:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: UK detention of Reprieve activist consistent with NSA's view of drone opponents as 'threats' and 'adversaries' http://t.co/gOUEf2ydb9 #fbiOct 02 07:44
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | UK detention of Reprieve activist consistent with NSA's view of drone opponents as 'threats' and 'adversaries' | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.comOct 02 07:44
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385295656329695232Oct 02 07:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after #NSA revelations http://t.co/AR84mWgK0p http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0 beyond complicityOct 02 07:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after NSA revelations | World news | theguardian.comOct 02 07:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsOct 02 07:50
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128913Oct 02 08:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdotOct 02 08:05
roy_1"Oct 02 08:05
roy_1I hardly look at that site anymore. It's another example of a communications channel that was infiltrated and subverted by Microsoft.Oct 02 08:05
roy_1Microsoft attaches itself like a cancer to everything cool in tech through their "Evangelism is War" way of life. Every one to many communications channel, OEM and vendor is targeted for conversion to complete Microsoft control or destruction. Representatives pretend to be members of the targeted group while spying and making trouble. They always aim for levers of control to eliminate opposition and further the conversion. A group only has Oct 02 08:05
roy_1to be infiltrated by a single Microsoft person for the process to begin. The Microsoft representatives will consume more and more resources until what's left of the disfigured group quits in disgust. The converted group pretends still be independent so that new, distant sites can be corrupted and ruined.Oct 02 08:05
roy_1"Oct 02 08:05
roy_1I wonder if microsoft still bribes professors for ads. It does bribe some for anti-Google rhetoric...Oct 02 08:06
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128938Oct 02 08:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #beliefs #atheistOct 02 08:12
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by pritam@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_1f0c135ff816d5799ae0.pngOct 02 08:12
roy_1"Sure????"{Oct 02 08:12
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128940Oct 02 08:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Two #Mormon 'missionaries' wasted two hours of my time (and my wife's) this morning. It's like traveling salesmen, theist edition...Oct 02 08:13
roy_1"Oct 02 08:14
roy_1Rule #1 with 'missionaries': Do not open the door. Failing that,Oct 02 08:14
roy_1Rule #2 with 'missionaries': Close the door ASAP. Failing that,Oct 02 08:14
roy_1Rule #3 with 'missionaries': Never allow them into your home. FT,Oct 02 08:14
roy_1Rule #4 with 'missionaries': Keep voodoo paraphernalia close at hand. Ask them where they have even done missionary work, carefully note any Africa and/or the Caribbean countries mentioned. There upon, pull out the 'dolls', ask them for a locks of hair and threads from their clothing, light black wax candles, advise them for their own health and safety that they should leave immediately, and then begin chanting in a language that, is most Oct 02 08:14
roy_1likely not to coincide with their travel experience. FT,Oct 02 08:14
roy_1Rule #5 with 'missionaries': Feign the voodoo spell went awry and advise them it is imperative you and/or your spouse seek assistance from a qualified Shaman. FT,Oct 02 08:15
roy_1Rule #6 with 'missionaries': Kiss hours goodbye.Oct 02 08:15
roy_1I'm guessing you were unaware of rules #1 - #5.Oct 02 08:15
roy_1"Oct 02 08:15
roy_1"Oddly enough, they never seem to want to hang out when I answer the door naked with a box of condoms in my hand."Oct 02 08:15
roy_1This wasn't at the door but at a bench in TownOct 02 08:15
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roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385303432170840064  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304027028021248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304429282738176  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385304975586639872Oct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: So I heard you want to try Linux http://t.co/V8gId1RXWX #gnu #linuxOct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> netrunner-mag.com | So I heard you want to try Linux | Netrunner MAGOct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Semplice 5 review – High Hopes http://t.co/LezH218wMh #gnu #linux #sempliceOct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxbsdos.com | Semplice 5 review – High Hopes | LinuxBSDos.comOct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ryan "icculus" Gordon Says Linux Viable Gaming Platform http://t.co/Tvtn3zDyRw #gnu #linux #gamesOct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> ostatic.com | Ryan "icculus" Gordon Says Linux Viable Gaming PlatformOct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Big names involved in #gnu #linux gaming  http://t.co/0qz48xsRO2 http://t.co/9JTf8vaDCZ http://t.co/0XXN7cZcWWOct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.yahoo.com | Nvidia claims SteamOS partnership - Yahoo NewsOct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.actiontrip.com | Valve Reveals Steam Machine ControllerOct 02 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.extremetech.com | Making sense of Valve’s Steam Box: Windows vs. Linux, OpenGL vs. DirectX, and the impact of support from AMD & Nvidia | ExtremeTechOct 02 08:28
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385306902437310464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385307689955250176Oct 02 08:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: [Video] Happy Birthday to GNU! <3 http://t.co/2P5plS5J8e days ago. #gnu #fsfOct 02 08:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.laquadrature.net | [Video] Happy Birthday to GNU! <3 | La Quadrature du NetOct 02 08:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: International Day of Non-Violence today https://t.co/uEVWUHDoiIOct 02 08:38
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385308141044662272  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385308588073574400Oct 02 08:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Faulty hardware https://t.co/QPwpUBMp9w # nsaOct 02 08:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Keep Off http://t.co/gWwUidnev9 photographer uses dog cruellyOct 02 08:42
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3130388Oct 02 08:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Big names involved in #gnu #linux gaming  http://news.yahoo.com/nvidia-claims-steamos-partnership-144002916.html http://www.actiontrip.com/news/valve-reveals-steam-machine-controller/092713_8 http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/167541-making-sense-of-the-steam-box-windows-vs-linux-opengl-vs-direct3d-and-the-impact-of-support-from-amd-nvidiaOct 02 08:45
roy_1"But always remember that Valve is one of the godfathers of DRM. And the Steam client is closed source."Oct 02 08:46
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385312662969929728  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385314152161755136  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385314575329280000     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385315606909960192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385316176425144320Oct 02 09:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 10 open-source alternatives for small business software http://t.co/I0HSe0IvGR #freeswOct 02 09:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.pcworld.com | 10 open-source alternatives for small business software | PCWorldOct 02 09:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Temper Pi http://t.co/Bp13kwnRVj "Raspberry Pi was announced, I knew I eventually would use one to power a beer fridge"Oct 02 09:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Temper Pi | Linux JournalOct 02 09:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Recovery hype: American Capitalism's weapon of mass distraction http://t.co/kawM9BDgVC #finance #debt #slavery #spinOct 02 09:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> rdwolff.com | Recovery hype: American Capitalism's weapon of mass distraction | Professor Richard D. Wolff