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roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3150343Oct 08 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google Embraces ‘Soft’ #Censorship http://techrights.org/2013/10/07/more-soft-censorship/Oct 08 06:27
roy_"Yep, and this is the reason why, I am am not using their search services anymore."Oct 08 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Google Embraces ‘Soft’ Censorship | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/futgp ]Oct 08 06:27
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roy_[08:06] <s-726> @slashdot        Microsoft Hands Out $28k In IE11 Bug BountyOct 08 08:15
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iophk  http://2014.asiabsdcon.org/cfp.htmlOct 08 08:30
TechrightsBot-tr2014.asiabsdcon.org | AsiaBSDCon 2014 - Call for PapersOct 08 08:30
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iophkhttp://www.coreboot.org/Supported_MotherboardsOct 08 08:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.coreboot.org | Supported Motherboards - coreboot  [ http://ur1.ca/djun ]Oct 08 08:52
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iophkhttp://www.eweek.com/security/tor-puts-nsa-at-odds-with-browsers-us-navy-creators-other-agencies.htmlOct 08 10:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.eweek.com | Tor Browser Puts NSA at Odds With U.S. Navy Creators, Other Agencies  [ http://ur1.ca/fuubk ]Oct 08 10:09
iophkWindows(tm) : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10361881/Britons-lose-five-and-a-half-days-a-year-from-slow-computers.htmlOct 08 10:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Britons lose five and a half days a year from slow computers - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fuucf ]Oct 08 10:11
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iophkhttp://www.geekwire.com/2013/town-nokia-finland-renamed-microsoft-roadsign-prank/Oct 08 11:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.geekwire.com | Town of Nokia, Finland 'renamed' Microsoft in prank - GeekWire  [ http://ur1.ca/fuur3 ]Oct 08 11:47
iophkactually it was a 3.79 billion dealOct 08 11:47
iophkhttp://wpsailors.com/2013/10/06/pranksters-in-finland-change-city-of-nokia-sign-to-microsoft/Oct 08 11:48
TechrightsBot-trwpsailors.com | Pranksters in Finland Change City of Nokia Road Signs to Microsoft | WPSailors  [ http://ur1.ca/fuur7 ]Oct 08 11:48
DaemonFChttp://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/07/25/205486197/palm-oil-in-the-food-supply-what-you-should-knowOct 08 12:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.npr.org | Palm Oil In The Food Supply: What You Should Know : The Salt : NPR  [ http://ur1.ca/fuutj ]Oct 08 12:03
DaemonFCReminds me of the 80s and 90s when there was the war on saturated fat.Oct 08 12:03
MinceReverything is harmfulOct 08 12:04
DaemonFCThen the media stopped talking about it and went on to the war on trans fat.Oct 08 12:04
DaemonFCSo now we get rid of trans fat and go back to stuff that's high in saturated fat.Oct 08 12:04
DaemonFCMinceR, I liked that episode of King of the Hill where Bill starts eating tons of trans fat-free potato chips.Oct 08 12:05
DaemonFCHe said it was OK because the government approved his diet.Oct 08 12:05
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 12:05
oiaohmMinceR: but somethings are more toxic than others.Oct 08 12:05
DaemonFCNow we've got Michelle Obama out there saying "You know all those foods you can't afford that don't taste all that good? Eat lots of that."Oct 08 12:06
MinceR"Optimally, the substitution [for partially hydrogenated oils] wouldn't be palm oil. "It would be a vegetable oil"Oct 08 12:06
MinceRso... palm is a mineral, then?Oct 08 12:06
MinceRor an animal?Oct 08 12:06
DaemonFCIt's an edible plant so I guess it qualifies as a vegetable.Oct 08 12:06
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 12:06
DaemonFCHey, I got my five servings in!Oct 08 12:07
DaemonFCYay government!Oct 08 12:07
MinceRoiaohm: and fashions come and go which consider random substances more toxic with little to no factual basisOct 08 12:07
MinceRafaik saturated fats are considered good per current fashionOct 08 12:07
MinceRbut who knows (or cares)Oct 08 12:07
DaemonFCMinceR, The other day I wondered out loud if coffee qualified as a serving of fruit.Oct 08 12:07
DaemonFCSomeone chimed in that yes, because it is a charred fruit.Oct 08 12:07
MinceRindeedOct 08 12:08
MinceRchocolate is fruit tooOct 08 12:08
MinceRand sugar is a vegetable.Oct 08 12:08
DaemonFCI eat lots of peanut butter. I noticed that the stuff I buy has palm oil in it.Oct 08 12:08
DaemonFCBut it's just so damned tasty that I don't really care.Oct 08 12:08
MinceRalso, my food consists of atoms of 100% natural origin.Oct 08 12:08
DaemonFCSo I'll miss a few of the adult diaper years.Oct 08 12:09
DaemonFCAt least I'm not smoking. Right?Oct 08 12:09
MinceR:)Oct 08 12:10
DaemonFCMost of the people in nursing homes and low rent apartments are women.Oct 08 12:11
DaemonFCI'd venture a guess that it's like 80-90%.Oct 08 12:11
DaemonFCThe men just don't make it to that age in huge numbers.Oct 08 12:11
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DaemonFCIf there is a God, he put men together like GM designs minivans.Oct 08 12:12
oiaohmMinceR Lot of biochemistry turns out to be complex.Oct 08 12:12
oiaohmMinceR: particular fats build  up in blood streams others don't.Oct 08 12:12
DaemonFCLots of expensive shop hours and then death soon after middle age.Oct 08 12:13
DaemonFCB-)Oct 08 12:13
MinceRindeedOct 08 12:13
MinceRalso, fats get processedOct 08 12:13
MinceRin the bodyOct 08 12:13
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 08 12:18
DaemonFCIf the US government redirected they use for killing people and running the police state, Social Security checks would double, schools would get all the funding they needed, college would be free, not a single American would go hungry, and roads and bridges would be repaired on time every time.Oct 08 12:18
DaemonFCIt would be like some kind of western European horror story. Just terrible. I mean, how would we ever survive it? Oct 08 12:18
DaemonFC*the moneyOct 08 12:18
oiaohmMinceR: the funny part is some fats don't process in the body well at all.Oct 08 12:19
oiaohmMinceR: http://www.health.harvard.edu/topic/fats   Not all saturated fats are good.Oct 08 12:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.health.harvard.edu | Fats Resource Center - Harvard Health PublicationsOct 08 12:21
oiaohmMinceR: its all how they react mostly in the blood stream.Oct 08 12:21
oiaohmif they build up on the blood vessal walls they are torix.Oct 08 12:21
oiaohmtorix toxicOct 08 12:22
DaemonFCSomeone pointed out a "plot hole" in breaking bad.Oct 08 12:23
iophkhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistani-Taliban-vow-to-attack-Malala-Yousafzai-again/articleshow/23658106.cmsOct 08 12:23
TechrightsBot-trtimesofindia.indiatimes.com | Pakistani Taliban vow to attack Malala Yousafzai again - The Times of India  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuwp ]Oct 08 12:23
DaemonFCThey said that since Walter White was a teacher, he probably had good health insurance.Oct 08 12:23
oiaohmMinceR: basically our medical understanding has improved over time.Oct 08 12:24
DaemonFCWhat they probably don't know is that once a doctor declares that you're terminally ill, alot of insurance plans refuse to pay for treatment beyond making you comfortable while you die.Oct 08 12:24
DaemonFCIf your doctor starts talking about a 10-20% chance of survival, they'll just refuse to pay.Oct 08 12:24
DaemonFCAbout the best anyone can do is get on their knees and beg the doctor to say they have a better chance than they really do.Oct 08 12:25
oiaohmIn a lot of cases that is correct.Oct 08 12:25
oiaohm10 to 20 percent chance of survival normally leaves long term damage that does not repair properly.Oct 08 12:26
DaemonFCMy former landlord has terminal cancer.Oct 08 12:26
DaemonFCThe doctors told him that all they can really do is try to slow it down.Oct 08 12:26
DaemonFCIt's spread so far that they gave him about five years to live, and that was two years ago.Oct 08 12:27
oiaohmCorrect because normally the treatmeat to cure will kill.Oct 08 12:27
oiaohmLike programing the body to destory the cancer will result in bleeding to death.Oct 08 12:27
oiaohmDaemonFC: its like terminal aircraft failure.Oct 08 12:28
MinceRoiaohm: it has not stopped changing, though :>Oct 08 12:28
oiaohmMinceR: the stuff over fats will still keep on changing blood stream reactions are understood.  liph node effects are not fully understood yet.Oct 08 12:29
oiaohmMinceR: Yes the human body has a secondary fluid moving system.Oct 08 12:29
MinceRi knowOct 08 12:30
oiaohmMinceR: Human medicual data is horiblly incompleteOct 08 12:30
*DaemonFC made the mistake of mixing refried beans with a Chipotle Chicken meal.Oct 08 12:32
*DaemonFC made a really big damned mistake with that.Oct 08 12:32
DaemonFCI'm trying to throw together meals based on what I bought too much of.Oct 08 12:32
iophkVista8 : http://mashable.com/2013/10/07/fox-news-deck/Oct 08 12:32
TechrightsBot-trmashable.com | Fox News Replaces Desks With Ridiculously Large Touchscreens  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuxy ]Oct 08 12:32
DaemonFChttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a7ac37d2-2ff1-11e3-9eec-00144feab7de.htmlOct 08 12:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.ft.com | US launches $100 bill with tougher security - FT.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuy9 ]Oct 08 12:35
DaemonFCThe problem here is that it leaves the biggest counterfeiters (the government) without any trouble at all.Oct 08 12:35
DaemonFCThey can still make as many as they want.Oct 08 12:35
DaemonFCI do like the liberty bell sunk in red ink though.Oct 08 12:36
DaemonFCThat was a nice touch.Oct 08 12:36
DaemonFCI'm surprised that they still make $100 bills.Oct 08 12:38
DaemonFCThe war on cash should have taken care of that a long time ago.Oct 08 12:38
DaemonFCIf you carry lots of cash in your wallet, you're probably in danger of losing all of it the next time you encounter the police for any reason.Oct 08 12:39
DaemonFCThey'll just take it all and claim that you're suspected of committing a crime because you have thousands of dollars in your wallet.Oct 08 12:39
DaemonFCThen they'll spend it on whatever they want and let you go without two nickels to rub together.Oct 08 12:39
DaemonFCHow do people think their local police department is funded? :)Oct 08 12:40
DaemonFCThose $60,000 Dodge Chargers are not free. :)Oct 08 12:40
MinceRif you use cash, you're probably a terroristOct 08 12:40
MinceR...according to the us governmentOct 08 12:40
DaemonFCOr if you have more than a week's worth of food in the house.Oct 08 12:40
DaemonFCShhh. Nobody tell them that I've been surviving the last month or so on what I've had on hand, and can probably go at least two more weeks.Oct 08 12:41
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 12:41
DaemonFCDoesn't make sense to only buy 5-6 days worth of food unless you just *like* burning all that gas to the grocery store and back.Oct 08 12:41
MinceR:)Oct 08 12:41
iophkbullshit - http://www.itworld.com/open-source/377035/which-it-skill-sets-are-highest-demand-linux-job-marketOct 08 12:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.itworld.com | Which IT skill sets are in highest demand in the Linux job market?  | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuz0 ]Oct 08 12:42
iophklumping C# in with real languagesOct 08 12:42
MinceRwhat a horribly crap diagramOct 08 12:44
iophkit's a shitty article overall.Oct 08 12:44
MinceRno association between legend and colorsOct 08 12:44
iophkThe C# is just icing on the cake.Oct 08 12:44
iophkThey take a FOSS article and make it about FOSS' worst competitor.Oct 08 12:44
MinceRi think lumping m$ Visual Java in with real languages is because the whole thing is just a web search countOct 08 12:44
MinceRdressed upOct 08 12:45
oiaohmiophk: C# skill is still required to translate it to other languages.Oct 08 12:45
MinceRalso, it's an idg siteOct 08 12:46
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DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4109282269.htmlOct 08 14:06
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1991 ALUMINA VAN, $1200.00 OBO  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvbr ]Oct 08 14:06
DaemonFCA Lumina APV.Oct 08 14:06
DaemonFCMinceR, Do I get a refund if it turns out not to be an armored personnel vehicle?Oct 08 14:06
DaemonFCB-)Oct 08 14:06
DaemonFCI had a 1992 Lumina, but it was a sedan.Oct 08 14:07
DaemonFCI got it up over 280,000 miles and then sold it for $600 to some guy that just wanted a beater car.Oct 08 14:07
DaemonFCThat's what my Taurus has turned into in the eight years since I bought it, I just can't afford to replace it with anything that would be alot better.Oct 08 14:08
DaemonFCI made an offer on a 1996 Crown Victoria that looked like it was OK.Oct 08 14:08
DaemonFCOh yeah.Oct 08 14:08
DaemonFCrefried beans in chipotle chicken was not a good ideaOct 08 14:09
*DaemonFC is sitting here inflating and deflating.Oct 08 14:09
MinceR:)Oct 08 14:10
DaemonFCPeople have no idea what their stuff is worth.Oct 08 14:12
DaemonFCThis guy wants $2,900 for a 1996 Crown Victoria LX with 95,000 miles.Oct 08 14:12
DaemonFCMight be a good car, but the blue book value in very good condition is $2,100.Oct 08 14:13
DaemonFCSo I shot him an email asking if he'd consider $2,100.Oct 08 14:13
DaemonFCI'm not going to go $800 over blue book value.Oct 08 14:13
DaemonFC:POct 08 14:13
DaemonFCI might go as high as $2,300 if I look over the car and determine that it's in really good shape and I really want it.Oct 08 14:14
DaemonFCBut I would not go higher than that.Oct 08 14:14
DaemonFCPeople have this way of wasting your time.Oct 08 14:14
DaemonFCThey say 'really good condition" then you get there and the engine is ticking and the oil looks like chocolate pudding.Oct 08 14:14
DaemonFC:POct 08 14:14
DaemonFC"My grandmother owned this car!"Oct 08 14:15
DaemonFCOK. Tell her to get an oil change in her new car every once in a while or this will happen all over again. Later."Oct 08 14:15
DaemonFC:POct 08 14:15
DaemonFCI only put a few thousand miles on my car every year.Oct 08 14:15
DaemonFCI don't do the 3 month oil changes.Oct 08 14:16
DaemonFCThose are just a way for them to make extra money off people who don't drive that much.Oct 08 14:16
DaemonFCIn reality, it should be more like 3,000 miles or 9 months.Oct 08 14:16
DaemonFCIt's true that if you go more than a year, the oil will start to get a little sludgy, and that's bad.Oct 08 14:16
DaemonFCBut every 3 months is ridiculous. It's just a good way to pay them $60 more of your money. :POct 08 14:17
DaemonFCWatch out for oil change shops that have "specials".Oct 08 14:18
DaemonFCThey say "$20 oil change" then you get in there and they mention there's a 10% shop fee and a $4 disposal fee, and they try to sell you extra services you don't need.Oct 08 14:19
DaemonFCMinceR, I did have a guy at Monro tell me I needed an "engine flush".Oct 08 14:20
DaemonFCI told him it would damage the engine. He got angry and said it wouldn't.Oct 08 14:20
DaemonFCSo I pulled the owner's manual out of the glove box and read "Warning: Do not perform an 'engine flush' on this vehicle. Doing so may damage your engine and Ford Motor Company will void the warranty."Oct 08 14:20
MinceR:)Oct 08 14:21
DaemonFChttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/08/fox-news-poll-majority-would-vote-against-raising-debt-ceiling/Oct 08 14:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.foxnews.com | Fox News Poll: Majority would vote against raising debt ceiling | Fox News  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvfe ]Oct 08 14:22
DaemonFCI wonder if Fox News told them that without a debt ceiling increase, that 90% of their viewers won't get their Social Security check next month.Oct 08 14:22
DaemonFCI wonder how many would be in favor of an increase then.Oct 08 14:23
DaemonFCThe guy texted me back.Oct 08 14:55
DaemonFCSaid he'd be willing to consider $2,200.Oct 08 14:56
DaemonFCI better think fast. That could be a good deal.Oct 08 14:56
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4114028208.htmlOct 08 14:56
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1996 Ford Crown Victoria  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvnb ]Oct 08 14:56
DaemonFCIf it was most other cars, I wouldn't even consider a 1996.Oct 08 14:56
DaemonFCBut it's a low mileage Crown Vic that has been garaged and driven by an old lady.Oct 08 14:57
DaemonFCand he says he's got the documentation for all the servicing.Oct 08 14:57
DaemonFCThat could be a great deal.Oct 08 14:57
DaemonFCThose cars go and go and go.Oct 08 14:57
DaemonFCI see them with 300,000 miles and still running all the time.Oct 08 14:57
DaemonFCThe V8 engine that's in them is not great on gas mileage, but it's very durable.Oct 08 14:58
DaemonFCI think that the only common problems on this car are the ABS sensors and the EGR valve sometimes needing cleaned out.Oct 08 14:58
DaemonFCEdmunds gave it a 4/5 on reliability.Oct 08 14:58
*DaemonFC is used to driving old high mileage vehicles.Oct 08 14:59
DaemonFCOnes that you don't pay to have fixed at that point.Oct 08 14:59
DaemonFCYou just pour coolant or oil in every now and then and keep driving them.Oct 08 15:00
DaemonFC:POct 08 15:00
DaemonFCI had a '95 Lumina that had a leaking oil pan gasket. It was just a drip leak. Lost about a quart between oil changes, so I just kept an eye on the oil dipstick every time I gassed up and poured a little bit of oil in now and then.Oct 08 15:00
DaemonFCIt started doing that around 150,000 miles, and I got it up to 198,000 before I sold it.Oct 08 15:01
DaemonFCNever did fix that gasket. They wanted $600 to fix it. :POct 08 15:01
DaemonFCI probably spent less than $40 topping off the oil during that entire time.Oct 08 15:01
oiaohmReally those leaking oil pan gaskets can be magically what a little bit of tar/crud in the oil does.Oct 08 15:03
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes I know a stack to dirty tricks to make a car look good when screwed.Oct 08 15:03
DaemonFCI just didn't want to fix it. I only paid like $2,000 for the car and I was putting about 30,000 miles on it every year because of the drive to work and back and just screwing around in general because gas was cheap so why not. :)Oct 08 15:04
DaemonFCI only planned to have the car for 2-3 years when I bought it.Oct 08 15:04
oiaohmDaemonFC: what I descibed in not fixing but hidding it for a while.Oct 08 15:06
oiaohmtar / really heavy oil end up filling the leaks.Oct 08 15:06
oiaohmOnly a very small amount required added to the oil to have the effect.Oct 08 15:06
DaemonFCIf that Crown Vic is in good shape, I'd pay $2200 for it in a second.Oct 08 15:07
DaemonFCI hope it's still there this evening.Oct 08 15:07
DaemonFCIf it is, I'm going to have to go look at it.Oct 08 15:07
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4TO2NyLVAUOct 08 15:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Ford Crown Victoria ($20,000) - NFS Hot Pursuit (PC) - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvr1 ]Oct 08 15:21
DaemonFClolOct 08 15:21
iophkhttp://www.efinancehub.com/nokia-corporation-nok-sues-htc-for-infringement-of-024-patent-apple-inc-aapl-withdraws-infringement-claim/124360.htmlOct 08 15:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.efinancehub.com | Nokia Corporation (NOK) Sues HTC For Infringement Of “024 Patent; Apple Inc. (AAPL) Withdraws Infringement Claim | eFinance Hub  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvs7 ]Oct 08 15:28
iophkhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24440908Oct 08 15:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Lampedusa wreck: EU proposes migrant rescue mission  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvvq ]Oct 08 15:51
iophkText doesn't mention illegal immigrantsOct 08 15:52
DaemonFCI'm trying to set up a meeting to go over that 1996 Crown VicOct 08 15:52
DaemonFCThat could be one badass car for the right price.Oct 08 15:52
DaemonFCMinceR would love it for its ability to crush Hungarian clown cars day in and day out with minimal headlight cover damage.Oct 08 15:53
DaemonFCAfter the third or fourth disintegration, they'd learn to stay out of the way and you wouldn't need to replace any more headlight covers.Oct 08 15:53
MinceRnot exactly "hungarian clown cars"Oct 08 15:54
MinceRmore like "overpriced german crap driven by hungarian assholes"Oct 08 15:54
MinceRalso, i'd like to have a roo bar, to protect the headlightsOct 08 15:55
MinceR(and generally make the damage less expensive to me)Oct 08 15:55
MinceRon the downside, i doubt the Crown Vic would have much of an advantage managing the hungarian (lack of) roadsOct 08 15:56
MinceRan SUV or APC would serve betterOct 08 15:56
DaemonFCWell, it wouldn't be possible to drive this thing in Paris, judging by the pictures my mom took while she was there.Oct 08 15:56
DaemonFCit would easily take the entire road all by itselfOct 08 15:57
DaemonFCand then there's the issue of running over pedestriansOct 08 15:57
DaemonFCno damage to the car, but there might be legal consequencesOct 08 15:57
DaemonFCB-)Oct 08 15:57
MinceR:>Oct 08 15:57
DaemonFChttps://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_iN0b5pTogpO_600x450.jpgOct 08 16:00
DaemonFChttps://images.craigslist.org/00a0a_1iPvB13LDu0_600x450.jpgOct 08 16:00
DaemonFChttps://images.craigslist.org/00V0V_cxCGyj8SNrP_600x450.jpgOct 08 16:01
DaemonFClooks like a very nice carOct 08 16:01
MinceRlooks like a long car with a low frame, which would easily get stuck here :>Oct 08 16:03
DaemonFCYeah.Oct 08 16:04
DaemonFCI don't like vehicles that ride high.Oct 08 16:04
DaemonFCThey're a rollover hazard and the handling is awful.Oct 08 16:04
MinceRdidn't the Crown Vic suffer from handling issues anyway? :>Oct 08 16:04
DaemonFCas far as I know, the Ford "Panther" platform cars are the last ones that anyone makes with rear wheel drive.Oct 08 16:05
DaemonFCAlot of people don't like that, but it's just because they're used to front wheel drive.Oct 08 16:05
MinceRi thought several companies still didOct 08 16:05
MinceRbmw made it a point of pride that their so-called "engineers" couldn't figure out how to steer and drive the same wheelOct 08 16:05
MinceR(probably the same "engineers" who thought it would be a good idea to run winblows ce on a car"Oct 08 16:06
MinceRs/.$/)/Oct 08 16:07
DaemonFChmmm, looks like several mainstream car makers did bring it back.Oct 08 16:11
DaemonFCFor a long time, there just wasn't much else to choose from.Oct 08 16:11
MinceRi prefer AWDOct 08 16:17
DaemonFCMajor gas guzzling.Oct 08 16:17
DaemonFCA lot of vehicles let you disable AWD when you don't need it to save gas though.Oct 08 16:17
MinceRmajor handling and tractionOct 08 16:17
MinceRthat's fine, i guessOct 08 16:17
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx3C6RN7W4S6O7IOct 08 16:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: This Halloween, I'm going to dress up as a Democrat!  [ http://ur1.ca/fuw2o ]Oct 08 16:31
DaemonFC Billy says:Oct 08 16:31
DaemonFCWhen kids come to my door, I'm going to take half their candy away from them and give it to the other kids who are too lazy to actually go trick-or-treating! Oct 08 16:31
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1ABJ4ONLQREG9Oct 08 16:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: This Halloween, I'm going to dress up as a Republican.  [ http://ur1.ca/fuw2q ]Oct 08 16:31
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 08 16:31
DaemonFCIf any poor kids come to my door, I'm going to take all their candy away from them and give it to the rich kids that already have more candy than they'll ever need. Oct 08 16:31
DaemonFCBad poor people! Bad! Don't you know that every second of life you can enjoy comes at the expense of the rich people!? How dare you! Now get out of here or I'll chase after you with my broom! Oct 08 16:33
DaemonFCMinceR, I saw that some guy had a 91 Crown Vic for sale.Oct 08 16:39
DaemonFCSo I stopped and made him an offer.Oct 08 16:39
DaemonFCIt was in good shape, so I offered him $2,000 for it. More than the book value, but it had new tires and brakes, and it was in excellent shape.Oct 08 16:39
DaemonFCThe guy said he wanted $5,000, no less.Oct 08 16:39
MinceR:)Oct 08 16:40
DaemonFCI told him there's no way I could go $5,000 on a '91 anything.Oct 08 16:40
DaemonFCHe said he got it for his son and put new tires and brakes on it before his son said he didn't want it because it was "outdated".Oct 08 16:40
DaemonFCI told him that what he did to it is his problem, and it's worth what it's worth.Oct 08 16:40
DaemonFC:POct 08 16:40
DaemonFCIt's still for sale, and that was like 5 months ago that I made him an offer.Oct 08 16:41
DaemonFCIt won't sell until he comes way down.Oct 08 16:41
DaemonFCI can't believe he'd rather have it in his lawn than take his licks and get rid of it.Oct 08 16:42
DaemonFCPutting new brakes and tires on it might cost him $1,000, but it doesn't bring up the sale value of the car that much.Oct 08 16:43
DaemonFCHe'd have been better off to have just sold it like he got it and let the buyer worry about that stuff.Oct 08 16:43
DaemonFCHe spent $1,000 to bring the car's value up by $300-400.Oct 08 16:43
MinceRhe got those things for his kid :>Oct 08 16:43
DaemonFCYou'd think he would have asked his son if he even wanted the car first.Oct 08 16:43
DaemonFCYou know?Oct 08 16:44
DaemonFCIt's not my fault that he's stupid and his son is a snob.Oct 08 16:44
MinceRi guess it was supposed to be a gift :>Oct 08 16:44
DaemonFCI'll take it.Oct 08 16:49
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 16:49
MinceR:)Oct 08 16:49
MinceR"Nice Town, I'll Take It"Oct 08 16:50
*DaemonFC time warps back to 1991.Oct 08 16:58
DaemonFCFree Mandela, huh?Oct 08 16:58
DaemonFCI'll take one!Oct 08 16:58
MinceR:)Oct 08 16:58
*MinceR takes a TibetOct 08 16:59
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1skVSX8mMOct 08 17:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Scissor Sisters - Sex and Violence - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fuw9a ]Oct 08 17:15
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10364467/Obama-refuses-to-overturn-Samsung-import-ban.htmlOct 08 18:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Obama refuses to overturn Samsung import ban - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwjs ]Oct 08 18:22
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iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/hollywood-attacks-scholars-who-deny-the-evils-of-piracy-131008/Oct 08 18:57
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Hollywood Attacks Scholars Who Deny The Evils of Piracy | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwoo ]Oct 08 18:57
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/nsa_data_centre_electrical_meltdown/Oct 08 18:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | NSA data centre launch delayed as power surges 'melt metal, zap racks' • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwoq ]Oct 08 18:58
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TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Is your security vendor colluding with the NSA? | Security - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwq6 ]Oct 08 19:07
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iophkIf this goes with the RaspberryPi then it could go well. Otherwise, not so much.  http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/careers/3472589/bbc-form-partnerships-with-tech-companies-get-kids-coding/Oct 08 19:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworlduk.com | BBC ‘to form partnerships with tech companies’ to get kids coding - ComputerworldUK.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwqu ]Oct 08 19:11
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__martin__iophk: thx a lot for this.. cannot remember laughing so hard recently =P http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzEwLzA3L2IyL0ZveE5ld3MxLjYxNjAwLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/6a495e6b/9e6/FoxNews1.jpgOct 08 20:02
iophkApparently it's not 'shopped.Oct 08 20:07
iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/10/07/fox-news-and-its-big-ass-touchscreens/Oct 08 20:08
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Fox News And Its Big-Ass Touchscreens   |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwzr ]Oct 08 20:08
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2EuXTR4m5AOct 08 20:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Big Ass Table - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fux0p ]Oct 08 20:13
MinceRbig ass-tableOct 08 20:18
iophktablets with miniature workersOct 08 20:21
MinceRtablets with workers with miniature brainsOct 08 20:23
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MinceRhow secure/trustworthy is ECDSA?Oct 08 21:53
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roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3150343Oct 08 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google Embraces ‘Soft’ #Censorship http://techrights.org/2013/10/07/more-soft-censorship/Oct 08 06:27
roy_"Yep, and this is the reason why, I am am not using their search services anymore."Oct 08 06:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Google Embraces ‘Soft’ Censorship | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/futgp ]Oct 08 06:27
roy_"Evil."Oct 08 06:27
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roy_[08:06] <s-726> @slashdot        Microsoft Hands Out $28k In IE11 Bug BountyOct 08 08:15
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iophk  http://2014.asiabsdcon.org/cfp.htmlOct 08 08:30
TechrightsBot-tr2014.asiabsdcon.org | AsiaBSDCon 2014 - Call for PapersOct 08 08:30
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iophkhttp://www.coreboot.org/Supported_MotherboardsOct 08 08:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.coreboot.org | Supported Motherboards - coreboot  [ http://ur1.ca/djun ]Oct 08 08:52
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iophkhttp://www.eweek.com/security/tor-puts-nsa-at-odds-with-browsers-us-navy-creators-other-agencies.htmlOct 08 10:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.eweek.com | Tor Browser Puts NSA at Odds With U.S. Navy Creators, Other Agencies  [ http://ur1.ca/fuubk ]Oct 08 10:09
iophkWindows(tm) : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10361881/Britons-lose-five-and-a-half-days-a-year-from-slow-computers.htmlOct 08 10:12
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iophkhttp://www.geekwire.com/2013/town-nokia-finland-renamed-microsoft-roadsign-prank/Oct 08 11:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.geekwire.com | Town of Nokia, Finland 'renamed' Microsoft in prank - GeekWire  [ http://ur1.ca/fuur3 ]Oct 08 11:47
iophkactually it was a 3.79 billion dealOct 08 11:48
iophkhttp://wpsailors.com/2013/10/06/pranksters-in-finland-change-city-of-nokia-sign-to-microsoft/Oct 08 11:48
TechrightsBot-trwpsailors.com | Pranksters in Finland Change City of Nokia Road Signs to Microsoft | WPSailors  [ http://ur1.ca/fuur7 ]Oct 08 11:48
DaemonFChttp://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/07/25/205486197/palm-oil-in-the-food-supply-what-you-should-knowOct 08 12:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.npr.org | Palm Oil In The Food Supply: What You Should Know : The Salt : NPR  [ http://ur1.ca/fuutj ]Oct 08 12:03
DaemonFCReminds me of the 80s and 90s when there was the war on saturated fat.Oct 08 12:03
MinceReverything is harmfulOct 08 12:04
DaemonFCThen the media stopped talking about it and went on to the war on trans fat.Oct 08 12:04
DaemonFCSo now we get rid of trans fat and go back to stuff that's high in saturated fat.Oct 08 12:04
DaemonFCMinceR, I liked that episode of King of the Hill where Bill starts eating tons of trans fat-free potato chips.Oct 08 12:05
DaemonFCHe said it was OK because the government approved his diet.Oct 08 12:05
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 12:05
oiaohmMinceR: but somethings are more toxic than others.Oct 08 12:05
DaemonFCNow we've got Michelle Obama out there saying "You know all those foods you can't afford that don't taste all that good? Eat lots of that."Oct 08 12:06
MinceR"Optimally, the substitution [for partially hydrogenated oils] wouldn't be palm oil. "It would be a vegetable oil"Oct 08 12:06
MinceRso... palm is a mineral, then?Oct 08 12:06
MinceRor an animal?Oct 08 12:06
DaemonFCIt's an edible plant so I guess it qualifies as a vegetable.Oct 08 12:06
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 12:06
DaemonFCHey, I got my five servings in!Oct 08 12:07
DaemonFCYay government!Oct 08 12:07
MinceRoiaohm: and fashions come and go which consider random substances more toxic with little to no factual basisOct 08 12:07
MinceRafaik saturated fats are considered good per current fashionOct 08 12:07
MinceRbut who knows (or cares)Oct 08 12:07
DaemonFCMinceR, The other day I wondered out loud if coffee qualified as a serving of fruit.Oct 08 12:07
DaemonFCSomeone chimed in that yes, because it is a charred fruit.Oct 08 12:08
MinceRindeedOct 08 12:08
MinceRchocolate is fruit tooOct 08 12:08
MinceRand sugar is a vegetable.Oct 08 12:08
DaemonFCI eat lots of peanut butter. I noticed that the stuff I buy has palm oil in it.Oct 08 12:08
DaemonFCBut it's just so damned tasty that I don't really care.Oct 08 12:08
MinceRalso, my food consists of atoms of 100% natural origin.Oct 08 12:09
DaemonFCSo I'll miss a few of the adult diaper years.Oct 08 12:09
DaemonFCAt least I'm not smoking. Right?Oct 08 12:09
MinceR:)Oct 08 12:10
DaemonFCMost of the people in nursing homes and low rent apartments are women.Oct 08 12:11
DaemonFCI'd venture a guess that it's like 80-90%.Oct 08 12:11
DaemonFCThe men just don't make it to that age in huge numbers.Oct 08 12:11
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DaemonFCIf there is a God, he put men together like GM designs minivans.Oct 08 12:12
oiaohmMinceR Lot of biochemistry turns out to be complex.Oct 08 12:12
oiaohmMinceR: particular fats build  up in blood streams others don't.Oct 08 12:12
DaemonFCLots of expensive shop hours and then death soon after middle age.Oct 08 12:13
DaemonFCB-)Oct 08 12:13
MinceRindeedOct 08 12:13
MinceRalso, fats get processedOct 08 12:13
MinceRin the bodyOct 08 12:13
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 08 12:18
DaemonFCIf the US government redirected they use for killing people and running the police state, Social Security checks would double, schools would get all the funding they needed, college would be free, not a single American would go hungry, and roads and bridges would be repaired on time every time.Oct 08 12:18
DaemonFCIt would be like some kind of western European horror story. Just terrible. I mean, how would we ever survive it? Oct 08 12:18
DaemonFC*the moneyOct 08 12:18
oiaohmMinceR: the funny part is some fats don't process in the body well at all.Oct 08 12:19
oiaohmMinceR: http://www.health.harvard.edu/topic/fats   Not all saturated fats are good.Oct 08 12:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.health.harvard.edu | Fats Resource Center - Harvard Health PublicationsOct 08 12:21
oiaohmMinceR: its all how they react mostly in the blood stream.Oct 08 12:21
oiaohmif they build up on the blood vessal walls they are torix.Oct 08 12:22
oiaohmtorix toxicOct 08 12:22
DaemonFCSomeone pointed out a "plot hole" in breaking bad.Oct 08 12:23
iophkhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistani-Taliban-vow-to-attack-Malala-Yousafzai-again/articleshow/23658106.cmsOct 08 12:23
TechrightsBot-trtimesofindia.indiatimes.com | Pakistani Taliban vow to attack Malala Yousafzai again - The Times of India  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuwp ]Oct 08 12:23
DaemonFCThey said that since Walter White was a teacher, he probably had good health insurance.Oct 08 12:23
oiaohmMinceR: basically our medical understanding has improved over time.Oct 08 12:24
DaemonFCWhat they probably don't know is that once a doctor declares that you're terminally ill, alot of insurance plans refuse to pay for treatment beyond making you comfortable while you die.Oct 08 12:24
DaemonFCIf your doctor starts talking about a 10-20% chance of survival, they'll just refuse to pay.Oct 08 12:25
DaemonFCAbout the best anyone can do is get on their knees and beg the doctor to say they have a better chance than they really do.Oct 08 12:25
oiaohmIn a lot of cases that is correct.Oct 08 12:25
oiaohm10 to 20 percent chance of survival normally leaves long term damage that does not repair properly.Oct 08 12:26
DaemonFCMy former landlord has terminal cancer.Oct 08 12:26
DaemonFCThe doctors told him that all they can really do is try to slow it down.Oct 08 12:26
DaemonFCIt's spread so far that they gave him about five years to live, and that was two years ago.Oct 08 12:27
oiaohmCorrect because normally the treatmeat to cure will kill.Oct 08 12:27
oiaohmLike programing the body to destory the cancer will result in bleeding to death.Oct 08 12:27
oiaohmDaemonFC: its like terminal aircraft failure.Oct 08 12:28
MinceRoiaohm: it has not stopped changing, though :>Oct 08 12:28
oiaohmMinceR: the stuff over fats will still keep on changing blood stream reactions are understood.  liph node effects are not fully understood yet.Oct 08 12:29
oiaohmMinceR: Yes the human body has a secondary fluid moving system.Oct 08 12:29
MinceRi knowOct 08 12:30
oiaohmMinceR: Human medicual data is horiblly incompleteOct 08 12:30
*DaemonFC made the mistake of mixing refried beans with a Chipotle Chicken meal.Oct 08 12:32
*DaemonFC made a really big damned mistake with that.Oct 08 12:32
DaemonFCI'm trying to throw together meals based on what I bought too much of.Oct 08 12:32
iophkVista8 : http://mashable.com/2013/10/07/fox-news-deck/Oct 08 12:32
TechrightsBot-trmashable.com | Fox News Replaces Desks With Ridiculously Large Touchscreens  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuxy ]Oct 08 12:32
DaemonFChttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a7ac37d2-2ff1-11e3-9eec-00144feab7de.htmlOct 08 12:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.ft.com | US launches $100 bill with tougher security - FT.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuy9 ]Oct 08 12:35
DaemonFCThe problem here is that it leaves the biggest counterfeiters (the government) without any trouble at all.Oct 08 12:35
DaemonFCThey can still make as many as they want.Oct 08 12:35
DaemonFCI do like the liberty bell sunk in red ink though.Oct 08 12:36
DaemonFCThat was a nice touch.Oct 08 12:36
DaemonFCI'm surprised that they still make $100 bills.Oct 08 12:38
DaemonFCThe war on cash should have taken care of that a long time ago.Oct 08 12:38
DaemonFCIf you carry lots of cash in your wallet, you're probably in danger of losing all of it the next time you encounter the police for any reason.Oct 08 12:39
DaemonFCThey'll just take it all and claim that you're suspected of committing a crime because you have thousands of dollars in your wallet.Oct 08 12:39
DaemonFCThen they'll spend it on whatever they want and let you go without two nickels to rub together.Oct 08 12:39
DaemonFCHow do people think their local police department is funded? :)Oct 08 12:40
DaemonFCThose $60,000 Dodge Chargers are not free. :)Oct 08 12:40
MinceRif you use cash, you're probably a terroristOct 08 12:40
MinceR...according to the us governmentOct 08 12:40
DaemonFCOr if you have more than a week's worth of food in the house.Oct 08 12:40
DaemonFCShhh. Nobody tell them that I've been surviving the last month or so on what I've had on hand, and can probably go at least two more weeks.Oct 08 12:41
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 12:41
DaemonFCDoesn't make sense to only buy 5-6 days worth of food unless you just *like* burning all that gas to the grocery store and back.Oct 08 12:41
MinceR:)Oct 08 12:41
iophkbullshit - http://www.itworld.com/open-source/377035/which-it-skill-sets-are-highest-demand-linux-job-marketOct 08 12:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.itworld.com | Which IT skill sets are in highest demand in the Linux job market?  | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuz0 ]Oct 08 12:42
iophklumping C# in with real languagesOct 08 12:42
MinceRwhat a horribly crap diagramOct 08 12:44
iophkit's a shitty article overall.Oct 08 12:44
MinceRno association between legend and colorsOct 08 12:44
iophkThe C# is just icing on the cake.Oct 08 12:44
iophkThey take a FOSS article and make it about FOSS' worst competitor.Oct 08 12:45
MinceRi think lumping m$ Visual Java in with real languages is because the whole thing is just a web search countOct 08 12:45
MinceRdressed upOct 08 12:45
oiaohmiophk: C# skill is still required to translate it to other languages.Oct 08 12:45
MinceRalso, it's an idg siteOct 08 12:46
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DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4109282269.htmlOct 08 14:06
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1991 ALUMINA VAN, $1200.00 OBO  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvbr ]Oct 08 14:06
DaemonFCA Lumina APV.Oct 08 14:06
DaemonFCMinceR, Do I get a refund if it turns out not to be an armored personnel vehicle?Oct 08 14:06
DaemonFCB-)Oct 08 14:06
DaemonFCI had a 1992 Lumina, but it was a sedan.Oct 08 14:07
DaemonFCI got it up over 280,000 miles and then sold it for $600 to some guy that just wanted a beater car.Oct 08 14:07
DaemonFCThat's what my Taurus has turned into in the eight years since I bought it, I just can't afford to replace it with anything that would be alot better.Oct 08 14:08
DaemonFCI made an offer on a 1996 Crown Victoria that looked like it was OK.Oct 08 14:08
DaemonFCOh yeah.Oct 08 14:08
DaemonFCrefried beans in chipotle chicken was not a good ideaOct 08 14:09
*DaemonFC is sitting here inflating and deflating.Oct 08 14:09
MinceR:)Oct 08 14:10
DaemonFCPeople have no idea what their stuff is worth.Oct 08 14:12
DaemonFCThis guy wants $2,900 for a 1996 Crown Victoria LX with 95,000 miles.Oct 08 14:12
DaemonFCMight be a good car, but the blue book value in very good condition is $2,100.Oct 08 14:13
DaemonFCSo I shot him an email asking if he'd consider $2,100.Oct 08 14:13
DaemonFCI'm not going to go $800 over blue book value.Oct 08 14:13
DaemonFC:POct 08 14:13
DaemonFCI might go as high as $2,300 if I look over the car and determine that it's in really good shape and I really want it.Oct 08 14:14
DaemonFCBut I would not go higher than that.Oct 08 14:14
DaemonFCPeople have this way of wasting your time.Oct 08 14:14
DaemonFCThey say 'really good condition" then you get there and the engine is ticking and the oil looks like chocolate pudding.Oct 08 14:14
DaemonFC:POct 08 14:14
DaemonFC"My grandmother owned this car!"Oct 08 14:15
DaemonFCOK. Tell her to get an oil change in her new car every once in a while or this will happen all over again. Later."Oct 08 14:15
DaemonFC:POct 08 14:15
DaemonFCI only put a few thousand miles on my car every year.Oct 08 14:16
DaemonFCI don't do the 3 month oil changes.Oct 08 14:16
DaemonFCThose are just a way for them to make extra money off people who don't drive that much.Oct 08 14:16
DaemonFCIn reality, it should be more like 3,000 miles or 9 months.Oct 08 14:16
DaemonFCIt's true that if you go more than a year, the oil will start to get a little sludgy, and that's bad.Oct 08 14:16
DaemonFCBut every 3 months is ridiculous. It's just a good way to pay them $60 more of your money. :POct 08 14:17
DaemonFCWatch out for oil change shops that have "specials".Oct 08 14:19
DaemonFCThey say "$20 oil change" then you get in there and they mention there's a 10% shop fee and a $4 disposal fee, and they try to sell you extra services you don't need.Oct 08 14:19
DaemonFCMinceR, I did have a guy at Monro tell me I needed an "engine flush".Oct 08 14:20
DaemonFCI told him it would damage the engine. He got angry and said it wouldn't.Oct 08 14:20
DaemonFCSo I pulled the owner's manual out of the glove box and read "Warning: Do not perform an 'engine flush' on this vehicle. Doing so may damage your engine and Ford Motor Company will void the warranty."Oct 08 14:21
MinceR:)Oct 08 14:21
DaemonFChttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/08/fox-news-poll-majority-would-vote-against-raising-debt-ceiling/Oct 08 14:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.foxnews.com | Fox News Poll: Majority would vote against raising debt ceiling | Fox News  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvfe ]Oct 08 14:22
DaemonFCI wonder if Fox News told them that without a debt ceiling increase, that 90% of their viewers won't get their Social Security check next month.Oct 08 14:23
DaemonFCI wonder how many would be in favor of an increase then.Oct 08 14:23
DaemonFCThe guy texted me back.Oct 08 14:55
DaemonFCSaid he'd be willing to consider $2,200.Oct 08 14:56
DaemonFCI better think fast. That could be a good deal.Oct 08 14:56
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4114028208.htmlOct 08 14:56
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1996 Ford Crown Victoria  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvnb ]Oct 08 14:56
DaemonFCIf it was most other cars, I wouldn't even consider a 1996.Oct 08 14:56
DaemonFCBut it's a low mileage Crown Vic that has been garaged and driven by an old lady.Oct 08 14:57
DaemonFCand he says he's got the documentation for all the servicing.Oct 08 14:57
DaemonFCThat could be a great deal.Oct 08 14:57
DaemonFCThose cars go and go and go.Oct 08 14:57
DaemonFCI see them with 300,000 miles and still running all the time.Oct 08 14:57
DaemonFCThe V8 engine that's in them is not great on gas mileage, but it's very durable.Oct 08 14:58
DaemonFCI think that the only common problems on this car are the ABS sensors and the EGR valve sometimes needing cleaned out.Oct 08 14:58
DaemonFCEdmunds gave it a 4/5 on reliability.Oct 08 14:59
*DaemonFC is used to driving old high mileage vehicles.Oct 08 14:59
DaemonFCOnes that you don't pay to have fixed at that point.Oct 08 15:00
DaemonFCYou just pour coolant or oil in every now and then and keep driving them.Oct 08 15:00
DaemonFC:POct 08 15:00
DaemonFCI had a '95 Lumina that had a leaking oil pan gasket. It was just a drip leak. Lost about a quart between oil changes, so I just kept an eye on the oil dipstick every time I gassed up and poured a little bit of oil in now and then.Oct 08 15:01
DaemonFCIt started doing that around 150,000 miles, and I got it up to 198,000 before I sold it.Oct 08 15:01
DaemonFCNever did fix that gasket. They wanted $600 to fix it. :POct 08 15:01
DaemonFCI probably spent less than $40 topping off the oil during that entire time.Oct 08 15:01
oiaohmReally those leaking oil pan gaskets can be magically what a little bit of tar/crud in the oil does.Oct 08 15:03
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes I know a stack to dirty tricks to make a car look good when screwed.Oct 08 15:03
DaemonFCI just didn't want to fix it. I only paid like $2,000 for the car and I was putting about 30,000 miles on it every year because of the drive to work and back and just screwing around in general because gas was cheap so why not. :)Oct 08 15:04
DaemonFCI only planned to have the car for 2-3 years when I bought it.Oct 08 15:04
oiaohmDaemonFC: what I descibed in not fixing but hidding it for a while.Oct 08 15:06
oiaohmtar / really heavy oil end up filling the leaks.Oct 08 15:06
oiaohmOnly a very small amount required added to the oil to have the effect.Oct 08 15:06
DaemonFCIf that Crown Vic is in good shape, I'd pay $2200 for it in a second.Oct 08 15:07
DaemonFCI hope it's still there this evening.Oct 08 15:07
DaemonFCIf it is, I'm going to have to go look at it.Oct 08 15:08
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4TO2NyLVAUOct 08 15:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Ford Crown Victoria ($20,000) - NFS Hot Pursuit (PC) - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvr1 ]Oct 08 15:21
DaemonFClolOct 08 15:21
iophkhttp://www.efinancehub.com/nokia-corporation-nok-sues-htc-for-infringement-of-024-patent-apple-inc-aapl-withdraws-infringement-claim/124360.htmlOct 08 15:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.efinancehub.com | Nokia Corporation (NOK) Sues HTC For Infringement Of “024 Patent; Apple Inc. (AAPL) Withdraws Infringement Claim | eFinance Hub  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvs7 ]Oct 08 15:29
iophkhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24440908Oct 08 15:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Lampedusa wreck: EU proposes migrant rescue mission  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvvq ]Oct 08 15:51
iophkText doesn't mention illegal immigrantsOct 08 15:52
DaemonFCI'm trying to set up a meeting to go over that 1996 Crown VicOct 08 15:52
DaemonFCThat could be one badass car for the right price.Oct 08 15:52
DaemonFCMinceR would love it for its ability to crush Hungarian clown cars day in and day out with minimal headlight cover damage.Oct 08 15:53
DaemonFCAfter the third or fourth disintegration, they'd learn to stay out of the way and you wouldn't need to replace any more headlight covers.Oct 08 15:54
MinceRnot exactly "hungarian clown cars"Oct 08 15:54
MinceRmore like "overpriced german crap driven by hungarian assholes"Oct 08 15:54
MinceRalso, i'd like to have a roo bar, to protect the headlightsOct 08 15:55
MinceR(and generally make the damage less expensive to me)Oct 08 15:55
MinceRon the downside, i doubt the Crown Vic would have much of an advantage managing the hungarian (lack of) roadsOct 08 15:56
MinceRan SUV or APC would serve betterOct 08 15:56
DaemonFCWell, it wouldn't be possible to drive this thing in Paris, judging by the pictures my mom took while she was there.Oct 08 15:57
DaemonFCit would easily take the entire road all by itselfOct 08 15:57
DaemonFCand then there's the issue of running over pedestriansOct 08 15:57
DaemonFCno damage to the car, but there might be legal consequencesOct 08 15:57
DaemonFCB-)Oct 08 15:57
MinceR:>Oct 08 15:57
DaemonFChttps://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_iN0b5pTogpO_600x450.jpgOct 08 16:00
DaemonFChttps://images.craigslist.org/00a0a_1iPvB13LDu0_600x450.jpgOct 08 16:01
DaemonFChttps://images.craigslist.org/00V0V_cxCGyj8SNrP_600x450.jpgOct 08 16:01
DaemonFClooks like a very nice carOct 08 16:01
MinceRlooks like a long car with a low frame, which would easily get stuck here :>Oct 08 16:04
DaemonFCYeah.Oct 08 16:04
DaemonFCI don't like vehicles that ride high.Oct 08 16:04
DaemonFCThey're a rollover hazard and the handling is awful.Oct 08 16:04
MinceRdidn't the Crown Vic suffer from handling issues anyway? :>Oct 08 16:04
DaemonFCas far as I know, the Ford "Panther" platform cars are the last ones that anyone makes with rear wheel drive.Oct 08 16:05
DaemonFCAlot of people don't like that, but it's just because they're used to front wheel drive.Oct 08 16:05
MinceRi thought several companies still didOct 08 16:05
MinceRbmw made it a point of pride that their so-called "engineers" couldn't figure out how to steer and drive the same wheelOct 08 16:05
MinceR(probably the same "engineers" who thought it would be a good idea to run winblows ce on a car"Oct 08 16:07
MinceRs/.$/)/Oct 08 16:07
DaemonFChmmm, looks like several mainstream car makers did bring it back.Oct 08 16:11
DaemonFCFor a long time, there just wasn't much else to choose from.Oct 08 16:11
MinceRi prefer AWDOct 08 16:17
DaemonFCMajor gas guzzling.Oct 08 16:17
DaemonFCA lot of vehicles let you disable AWD when you don't need it to save gas though.Oct 08 16:17
MinceRmajor handling and tractionOct 08 16:17
MinceRthat's fine, i guessOct 08 16:18
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx3C6RN7W4S6O7IOct 08 16:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: This Halloween, I'm going to dress up as a Democrat!  [ http://ur1.ca/fuw2o ]Oct 08 16:31
DaemonFC Billy says:Oct 08 16:31
DaemonFCWhen kids come to my door, I'm going to take half their candy away from them and give it to the other kids who are too lazy to actually go trick-or-treating! Oct 08 16:31
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1ABJ4ONLQREG9Oct 08 16:32
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: This Halloween, I'm going to dress up as a Republican.  [ http://ur1.ca/fuw2q ]Oct 08 16:32
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 08 16:32
DaemonFCIf any poor kids come to my door, I'm going to take all their candy away from them and give it to the rich kids that already have more candy than they'll ever need. Oct 08 16:32
DaemonFCBad poor people! Bad! Don't you know that every second of life you can enjoy comes at the expense of the rich people!? How dare you! Now get out of here or I'll chase after you with my broom! Oct 08 16:33
DaemonFCMinceR, I saw that some guy had a 91 Crown Vic for sale.Oct 08 16:39
DaemonFCSo I stopped and made him an offer.Oct 08 16:39
DaemonFCIt was in good shape, so I offered him $2,000 for it. More than the book value, but it had new tires and brakes, and it was in excellent shape.Oct 08 16:39
DaemonFCThe guy said he wanted $5,000, no less.Oct 08 16:40
MinceR:)Oct 08 16:40
DaemonFCI told him there's no way I could go $5,000 on a '91 anything.Oct 08 16:40
DaemonFCHe said he got it for his son and put new tires and brakes on it before his son said he didn't want it because it was "outdated".Oct 08 16:40
DaemonFCI told him that what he did to it is his problem, and it's worth what it's worth.Oct 08 16:40
DaemonFC:POct 08 16:41
DaemonFCIt's still for sale, and that was like 5 months ago that I made him an offer.Oct 08 16:41
DaemonFCIt won't sell until he comes way down.Oct 08 16:42
DaemonFCI can't believe he'd rather have it in his lawn than take his licks and get rid of it.Oct 08 16:42
DaemonFCPutting new brakes and tires on it might cost him $1,000, but it doesn't bring up the sale value of the car that much.Oct 08 16:43
DaemonFCHe'd have been better off to have just sold it like he got it and let the buyer worry about that stuff.Oct 08 16:43
DaemonFCHe spent $1,000 to bring the car's value up by $300-400.Oct 08 16:43
MinceRhe got those things for his kid :>Oct 08 16:43
DaemonFCYou'd think he would have asked his son if he even wanted the car first.Oct 08 16:44
DaemonFCYou know?Oct 08 16:44
DaemonFCIt's not my fault that he's stupid and his son is a snob.Oct 08 16:44
MinceRi guess it was supposed to be a gift :>Oct 08 16:44
DaemonFCI'll take it.Oct 08 16:49
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 16:49
MinceR:)Oct 08 16:50
MinceR"Nice Town, I'll Take It"Oct 08 16:50
*DaemonFC time warps back to 1991.Oct 08 16:58
DaemonFCFree Mandela, huh?Oct 08 16:58
DaemonFCI'll take one!Oct 08 16:58
MinceR:)Oct 08 16:58
*MinceR takes a TibetOct 08 16:59
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1skVSX8mMOct 08 17:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Scissor Sisters - Sex and Violence - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fuw9a ]Oct 08 17:16
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10364467/Obama-refuses-to-overturn-Samsung-import-ban.htmlOct 08 18:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Obama refuses to overturn Samsung import ban - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwjs ]Oct 08 18:23
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iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/hollywood-attacks-scholars-who-deny-the-evils-of-piracy-131008/Oct 08 18:57
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Hollywood Attacks Scholars Who Deny The Evils of Piracy | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwoo ]Oct 08 18:57
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/nsa_data_centre_electrical_meltdown/Oct 08 18:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | NSA data centre launch delayed as power surges 'melt metal, zap racks' • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwoq ]Oct 08 18:58
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TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Is your security vendor colluding with the NSA? | Security - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwq6 ]Oct 08 19:07
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iophkIf this goes with the RaspberryPi then it could go well. Otherwise, not so much.  http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/careers/3472589/bbc-form-partnerships-with-tech-companies-get-kids-coding/Oct 08 19:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworlduk.com | BBC ‘to form partnerships with tech companies’ to get kids coding - ComputerworldUK.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwqu ]Oct 08 19:11
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__martin__iophk: thx a lot for this.. cannot remember laughing so hard recently =P http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzEwLzA3L2IyL0ZveE5ld3MxLjYxNjAwLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/6a495e6b/9e6/FoxNews1.jpgOct 08 20:02
iophkApparently it's not 'shopped.Oct 08 20:07
iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/10/07/fox-news-and-its-big-ass-touchscreens/Oct 08 20:08
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Fox News And Its Big-Ass Touchscreens   |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwzr ]Oct 08 20:08
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2EuXTR4m5AOct 08 20:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Big Ass Table - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fux0p ]Oct 08 20:13
MinceRbig ass-tableOct 08 20:18
iophktablets with miniature workersOct 08 20:21
MinceRtablets with workers with miniature brainsOct 08 20:23
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MinceRhow secure/trustworthy is ECDSA?Oct 08 21:53
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roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3150343Oct 08 01:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google Embraces Soft #Censorship http://techrights.org/2013/10/07/more-soft-censorship/Oct 08 01:27
roy_"Yep, and this is the reason why, I am am not using their search services anymore."Oct 08 01:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Google Embraces Soft Censorship | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/futgp ]Oct 08 01:27
roy_"Evil."Oct 08 01:27
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iophk  http://2014.asiabsdcon.org/cfp.htmlOct 08 03:30
TechrightsBot-tr2014.asiabsdcon.org | AsiaBSDCon 2014 - Call for PapersOct 08 03:30
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iophkhttp://www.coreboot.org/Supported_MotherboardsOct 08 03:52
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iophkhttp://www.eweek.com/security/tor-puts-nsa-at-odds-with-browsers-us-navy-creators-other-agencies.htmlOct 08 05:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.eweek.com | Tor Browser Puts NSA at Odds With U.S. Navy Creators, Other Agencies  [ http://ur1.ca/fuubk ]Oct 08 05:09
iophkWindows(tm) : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10361881/Britons-lose-five-and-a-half-days-a-year-from-slow-computers.htmlOct 08 05:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Britons lose five and a half days a year from slow computers - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fuucf ]Oct 08 05:11
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iophkhttp://www.geekwire.com/2013/town-nokia-finland-renamed-microsoft-roadsign-prank/Oct 08 06:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.geekwire.com | Town of Nokia, Finland 'renamed' Microsoft in prank - GeekWire  [ http://ur1.ca/fuur3 ]Oct 08 06:47
iophkactually it was a 3.79 billion dealOct 08 06:47
iophkhttp://wpsailors.com/2013/10/06/pranksters-in-finland-change-city-of-nokia-sign-to-microsoft/Oct 08 06:48
TechrightsBot-trwpsailors.com | Pranksters in Finland Change City of Nokia Road Signs to Microsoft | WPSailors  [ http://ur1.ca/fuur7 ]Oct 08 06:48
DaemonFChttp://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/07/25/205486197/palm-oil-in-the-food-supply-what-you-should-knowOct 08 07:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.npr.org | Palm Oil In The Food Supply: What You Should Know : The Salt : NPR  [ http://ur1.ca/fuutj ]Oct 08 07:03
DaemonFCReminds me of the 80s and 90s when there was the war on saturated fat.Oct 08 07:03
MinceReverything is harmfulOct 08 07:04
DaemonFCThen the media stopped talking about it and went on to the war on trans fat.Oct 08 07:04
DaemonFCSo now we get rid of trans fat and go back to stuff that's high in saturated fat.Oct 08 07:04
DaemonFCMinceR, I liked that episode of King of the Hill where Bill starts eating tons of trans fat-free potato chips.Oct 08 07:05
DaemonFCHe said it was OK because the government approved his diet.Oct 08 07:05
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 07:05
oiaohmMinceR: but somethings are more toxic than others.Oct 08 07:05
DaemonFCNow we've got Michelle Obama out there saying "You know all those foods you can't afford that don't taste all that good? Eat lots of that."Oct 08 07:06
MinceR"Optimally, the substitution [for partially hydrogenated oils] wouldn't be palm oil. "It would be a vegetable oil"Oct 08 07:06
MinceRso... palm is a mineral, then?Oct 08 07:06
MinceRor an animal?Oct 08 07:06
DaemonFCIt's an edible plant so I guess it qualifies as a vegetable.Oct 08 07:06
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 07:06
DaemonFCHey, I got my five servings in!Oct 08 07:07
DaemonFCYay government!Oct 08 07:07
MinceRoiaohm: and fashions come and go which consider random substances more toxic with little to no factual basisOct 08 07:07
MinceRafaik saturated fats are considered good per current fashionOct 08 07:07
MinceRbut who knows (or cares)Oct 08 07:07
DaemonFCMinceR, The other day I wondered out loud if coffee qualified as a serving of fruit.Oct 08 07:07
DaemonFCSomeone chimed in that yes, because it is a charred fruit.Oct 08 07:07
MinceRindeedOct 08 07:08
MinceRchocolate is fruit tooOct 08 07:08
MinceRand sugar is a vegetable.Oct 08 07:08
DaemonFCI eat lots of peanut butter. I noticed that the stuff I buy has palm oil in it.Oct 08 07:08
DaemonFCBut it's just so damned tasty that I don't really care.Oct 08 07:08
MinceRalso, my food consists of atoms of 100% natural origin.Oct 08 07:08
DaemonFCSo I'll miss a few of the adult diaper years.Oct 08 07:09
DaemonFCAt least I'm not smoking. Right?Oct 08 07:09
MinceR:)Oct 08 07:10
DaemonFCMost of the people in nursing homes and low rent apartments are women.Oct 08 07:11
DaemonFCI'd venture a guess that it's like 80-90%.Oct 08 07:11
DaemonFCThe men just don't make it to that age in huge numbers.Oct 08 07:11
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DaemonFCIf there is a God, he put men together like GM designs minivans.Oct 08 07:12
oiaohmMinceR Lot of biochemistry turns out to be complex.Oct 08 07:12
oiaohmMinceR: particular fats build  up in blood streams others don't.Oct 08 07:12
DaemonFCLots of expensive shop hours and then death soon after middle age.Oct 08 07:13
DaemonFCB-)Oct 08 07:13
MinceRindeedOct 08 07:13
MinceRalso, fats get processedOct 08 07:13
MinceRin the bodyOct 08 07:13
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 08 07:18
DaemonFCIf the US government redirected they use for killing people and running the police state, Social Security checks would double, schools would get all the funding they needed, college would be free, not a single American would go hungry, and roads and bridges would be repaired on time every time.Oct 08 07:18
DaemonFCIt would be like some kind of western European horror story. Just terrible. I mean, how would we ever survive it? Oct 08 07:18
DaemonFC*the moneyOct 08 07:18
oiaohmMinceR: the funny part is some fats don't process in the body well at all.Oct 08 07:19
oiaohmMinceR: http://www.health.harvard.edu/topic/fats   Not all saturated fats are good.Oct 08 07:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.health.harvard.edu | Fats Resource Center - Harvard Health PublicationsOct 08 07:21
oiaohmMinceR: its all how they react mostly in the blood stream.Oct 08 07:21
oiaohmif they build up on the blood vessal walls they are torix.Oct 08 07:21
oiaohmtorix toxicOct 08 07:22
DaemonFCSomeone pointed out a "plot hole" in breaking bad.Oct 08 07:23
iophkhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistani-Taliban-vow-to-attack-Malala-Yousafzai-again/articleshow/23658106.cmsOct 08 07:23
TechrightsBot-trtimesofindia.indiatimes.com | Pakistani Taliban vow to attack Malala Yousafzai again - The Times of India  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuwp ]Oct 08 07:23
DaemonFCThey said that since Walter White was a teacher, he probably had good health insurance.Oct 08 07:23
oiaohmMinceR: basically our medical understanding has improved over time.Oct 08 07:24
DaemonFCWhat they probably don't know is that once a doctor declares that you're terminally ill, alot of insurance plans refuse to pay for treatment beyond making you comfortable while you die.Oct 08 07:24
DaemonFCIf your doctor starts talking about a 10-20% chance of survival, they'll just refuse to pay.Oct 08 07:24
DaemonFCAbout the best anyone can do is get on their knees and beg the doctor to say they have a better chance than they really do.Oct 08 07:25
oiaohmIn a lot of cases that is correct.Oct 08 07:25
oiaohm10 to 20 percent chance of survival normally leaves long term damage that does not repair properly.Oct 08 07:26
DaemonFCMy former landlord has terminal cancer.Oct 08 07:26
DaemonFCThe doctors told him that all they can really do is try to slow it down.Oct 08 07:26
DaemonFCIt's spread so far that they gave him about five years to live, and that was two years ago.Oct 08 07:27
oiaohmCorrect because normally the treatmeat to cure will kill.Oct 08 07:27
oiaohmLike programing the body to destory the cancer will result in bleeding to death.Oct 08 07:27
oiaohmDaemonFC: its like terminal aircraft failure.Oct 08 07:28
MinceRoiaohm: it has not stopped changing, though :>Oct 08 07:28
oiaohmMinceR: the stuff over fats will still keep on changing blood stream reactions are understood.  liph node effects are not fully understood yet.Oct 08 07:29
oiaohmMinceR: Yes the human body has a secondary fluid moving system.Oct 08 07:29
MinceRi knowOct 08 07:30
oiaohmMinceR: Human medicual data is horiblly incompleteOct 08 07:30
*DaemonFC made the mistake of mixing refried beans with a Chipotle Chicken meal.Oct 08 07:32
*DaemonFC made a really big damned mistake with that.Oct 08 07:32
DaemonFCI'm trying to throw together meals based on what I bought too much of.Oct 08 07:32
iophkVista8 : http://mashable.com/2013/10/07/fox-news-deck/Oct 08 07:32
TechrightsBot-trmashable.com | Fox News Replaces Desks With Ridiculously Large Touchscreens  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuxy ]Oct 08 07:32
DaemonFChttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a7ac37d2-2ff1-11e3-9eec-00144feab7de.htmlOct 08 07:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.ft.com | US launches $100 bill with tougher security - FT.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuy9 ]Oct 08 07:35
DaemonFCThe problem here is that it leaves the biggest counterfeiters (the government) without any trouble at all.Oct 08 07:35
DaemonFCThey can still make as many as they want.Oct 08 07:35
DaemonFCI do like the liberty bell sunk in red ink though.Oct 08 07:36
DaemonFCThat was a nice touch.Oct 08 07:36
DaemonFCI'm surprised that they still make $100 bills.Oct 08 07:38
DaemonFCThe war on cash should have taken care of that a long time ago.Oct 08 07:38
DaemonFCIf you carry lots of cash in your wallet, you're probably in danger of losing all of it the next time you encounter the police for any reason.Oct 08 07:39
DaemonFCThey'll just take it all and claim that you're suspected of committing a crime because you have thousands of dollars in your wallet.Oct 08 07:39
DaemonFCThen they'll spend it on whatever they want and let you go without two nickels to rub together.Oct 08 07:39
DaemonFCHow do people think their local police department is funded? :)Oct 08 07:40
DaemonFCThose $60,000 Dodge Chargers are not free. :)Oct 08 07:40
MinceRif you use cash, you're probably a terroristOct 08 07:40
MinceR...according to the us governmentOct 08 07:40
DaemonFCOr if you have more than a week's worth of food in the house.Oct 08 07:40
DaemonFCShhh. Nobody tell them that I've been surviving the last month or so on what I've had on hand, and can probably go at least two more weeks.Oct 08 07:41
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 07:41
DaemonFCDoesn't make sense to only buy 5-6 days worth of food unless you just *like* burning all that gas to the grocery store and back.Oct 08 07:41
MinceR:)Oct 08 07:41
iophkbullshit - http://www.itworld.com/open-source/377035/which-it-skill-sets-are-highest-demand-linux-job-marketOct 08 07:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.itworld.com | Which IT skill sets are in highest demand in the Linux job market?  | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fuuz0 ]Oct 08 07:42
iophklumping C# in with real languagesOct 08 07:42
MinceRwhat a horribly crap diagramOct 08 07:44
iophkit's a shitty article overall.Oct 08 07:44
MinceRno association between legend and colorsOct 08 07:44
iophkThe C# is just icing on the cake.Oct 08 07:44
iophkThey take a FOSS article and make it about FOSS' worst competitor.Oct 08 07:44
MinceRi think lumping m$ Visual Java in with real languages is because the whole thing is just a web search countOct 08 07:44
MinceRdressed upOct 08 07:45
oiaohmiophk: C# skill is still required to translate it to other languages.Oct 08 07:45
MinceRalso, it's an idg siteOct 08 07:46
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DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4109282269.htmlOct 08 09:06
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1991 ALUMINA VAN, $1200.00 OBO  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvbr ]Oct 08 09:06
DaemonFCA Lumina APV.Oct 08 09:06
DaemonFCMinceR, Do I get a refund if it turns out not to be an armored personnel vehicle?Oct 08 09:06
DaemonFCB-)Oct 08 09:06
DaemonFCI had a 1992 Lumina, but it was a sedan.Oct 08 09:07
DaemonFCI got it up over 280,000 miles and then sold it for $600 to some guy that just wanted a beater car.Oct 08 09:07
DaemonFCThat's what my Taurus has turned into in the eight years since I bought it, I just can't afford to replace it with anything that would be alot better.Oct 08 09:08
DaemonFCI made an offer on a 1996 Crown Victoria that looked like it was OK.Oct 08 09:08
DaemonFCOh yeah.Oct 08 09:08
DaemonFCrefried beans in chipotle chicken was not a good ideaOct 08 09:09
*DaemonFC is sitting here inflating and deflating.Oct 08 09:09
MinceR:)Oct 08 09:10
DaemonFCPeople have no idea what their stuff is worth.Oct 08 09:12
DaemonFCThis guy wants $2,900 for a 1996 Crown Victoria LX with 95,000 miles.Oct 08 09:12
DaemonFCMight be a good car, but the blue book value in very good condition is $2,100.Oct 08 09:13
DaemonFCSo I shot him an email asking if he'd consider $2,100.Oct 08 09:13
DaemonFCI'm not going to go $800 over blue book value.Oct 08 09:13
DaemonFC:POct 08 09:13
DaemonFCI might go as high as $2,300 if I look over the car and determine that it's in really good shape and I really want it.Oct 08 09:14
DaemonFCBut I would not go higher than that.Oct 08 09:14
DaemonFCPeople have this way of wasting your time.Oct 08 09:14
DaemonFCThey say 'really good condition" then you get there and the engine is ticking and the oil looks like chocolate pudding.Oct 08 09:14
DaemonFC:POct 08 09:14
DaemonFC"My grandmother owned this car!"Oct 08 09:15
DaemonFCOK. Tell her to get an oil change in her new car every once in a while or this will happen all over again. Later."Oct 08 09:15
DaemonFC:POct 08 09:15
DaemonFCI only put a few thousand miles on my car every year.Oct 08 09:15
DaemonFCI don't do the 3 month oil changes.Oct 08 09:16
DaemonFCThose are just a way for them to make extra money off people who don't drive that much.Oct 08 09:16
DaemonFCIn reality, it should be more like 3,000 miles or 9 months.Oct 08 09:16
DaemonFCIt's true that if you go more than a year, the oil will start to get a little sludgy, and that's bad.Oct 08 09:16
DaemonFCBut every 3 months is ridiculous. It's just a good way to pay them $60 more of your money. :POct 08 09:17
DaemonFCWatch out for oil change shops that have "specials".Oct 08 09:18
DaemonFCThey say "$20 oil change" then you get in there and they mention there's a 10% shop fee and a $4 disposal fee, and they try to sell you extra services you don't need.Oct 08 09:19
DaemonFCMinceR, I did have a guy at Monro tell me I needed an "engine flush".Oct 08 09:20
DaemonFCI told him it would damage the engine. He got angry and said it wouldn't.Oct 08 09:20
DaemonFCSo I pulled the owner's manual out of the glove box and read "Warning: Do not perform an 'engine flush' on this vehicle. Doing so may damage your engine and Ford Motor Company will void the warranty."Oct 08 09:20
MinceR:)Oct 08 09:21
DaemonFChttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/08/fox-news-poll-majority-would-vote-against-raising-debt-ceiling/Oct 08 09:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.foxnews.com | Fox News Poll: Majority would vote against raising debt ceiling | Fox News  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvfe ]Oct 08 09:22
DaemonFCI wonder if Fox News told them that without a debt ceiling increase, that 90% of their viewers won't get their Social Security check next month.Oct 08 09:22
DaemonFCI wonder how many would be in favor of an increase then.Oct 08 09:23
DaemonFCThe guy texted me back.Oct 08 09:55
DaemonFCSaid he'd be willing to consider $2,200.Oct 08 09:56
DaemonFCI better think fast. That could be a good deal.Oct 08 09:56
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4114028208.htmlOct 08 09:56
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1996 Ford Crown Victoria  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvnb ]Oct 08 09:56
DaemonFCIf it was most other cars, I wouldn't even consider a 1996.Oct 08 09:56
DaemonFCBut it's a low mileage Crown Vic that has been garaged and driven by an old lady.Oct 08 09:57
DaemonFCand he says he's got the documentation for all the servicing.Oct 08 09:57
DaemonFCThat could be a great deal.Oct 08 09:57
DaemonFCThose cars go and go and go.Oct 08 09:57
DaemonFCI see them with 300,000 miles and still running all the time.Oct 08 09:57
DaemonFCThe V8 engine that's in them is not great on gas mileage, but it's very durable.Oct 08 09:58
DaemonFCI think that the only common problems on this car are the ABS sensors and the EGR valve sometimes needing cleaned out.Oct 08 09:58
DaemonFCEdmunds gave it a 4/5 on reliability.Oct 08 09:58
*DaemonFC is used to driving old high mileage vehicles.Oct 08 09:59
DaemonFCOnes that you don't pay to have fixed at that point.Oct 08 09:59
DaemonFCYou just pour coolant or oil in every now and then and keep driving them.Oct 08 10:00
DaemonFC:POct 08 10:00
DaemonFCI had a '95 Lumina that had a leaking oil pan gasket. It was just a drip leak. Lost about a quart between oil changes, so I just kept an eye on the oil dipstick every time I gassed up and poured a little bit of oil in now and then.Oct 08 10:00
DaemonFCIt started doing that around 150,000 miles, and I got it up to 198,000 before I sold it.Oct 08 10:01
DaemonFCNever did fix that gasket. They wanted $600 to fix it. :POct 08 10:01
DaemonFCI probably spent less than $40 topping off the oil during that entire time.Oct 08 10:01
oiaohmReally those leaking oil pan gaskets can be magically what a little bit of tar/crud in the oil does.Oct 08 10:03
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes I know a stack to dirty tricks to make a car look good when screwed.Oct 08 10:03
DaemonFCI just didn't want to fix it. I only paid like $2,000 for the car and I was putting about 30,000 miles on it every year because of the drive to work and back and just screwing around in general because gas was cheap so why not. :)Oct 08 10:04
DaemonFCI only planned to have the car for 2-3 years when I bought it.Oct 08 10:04
oiaohmDaemonFC: what I descibed in not fixing but hidding it for a while.Oct 08 10:06
oiaohmtar / really heavy oil end up filling the leaks.Oct 08 10:06
oiaohmOnly a very small amount required added to the oil to have the effect.Oct 08 10:06
DaemonFCIf that Crown Vic is in good shape, I'd pay $2200 for it in a second.Oct 08 10:07
DaemonFCI hope it's still there this evening.Oct 08 10:07
DaemonFCIf it is, I'm going to have to go look at it.Oct 08 10:07
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4TO2NyLVAUOct 08 10:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Ford Crown Victoria ($20,000) - NFS Hot Pursuit (PC) - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvr1 ]Oct 08 10:21
DaemonFClolOct 08 10:21
iophkhttp://www.efinancehub.com/nokia-corporation-nok-sues-htc-for-infringement-of-024-patent-apple-inc-aapl-withdraws-infringement-claim/124360.htmlOct 08 10:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.efinancehub.com | Nokia Corporation (NOK) Sues HTC For Infringement Of 024 Patent; Apple Inc. (AAPL) Withdraws Infringement Claim | eFinance Hub  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvs7 ]Oct 08 10:28
iophkhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24440908Oct 08 10:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Lampedusa wreck: EU proposes migrant rescue mission  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvvq ]Oct 08 10:51
iophkText doesn't mention illegal immigrantsOct 08 10:52
DaemonFCI'm trying to set up a meeting to go over that 1996 Crown VicOct 08 10:52
DaemonFCThat could be one badass car for the right price.Oct 08 10:52
DaemonFCMinceR would love it for its ability to crush Hungarian clown cars day in and day out with minimal headlight cover damage.Oct 08 10:53
DaemonFCAfter the third or fourth disintegration, they'd learn to stay out of the way and you wouldn't need to replace any more headlight covers.Oct 08 10:53
MinceRnot exactly "hungarian clown cars"Oct 08 10:54
MinceRmore like "overpriced german crap driven by hungarian assholes"Oct 08 10:54
MinceRalso, i'd like to have a roo bar, to protect the headlightsOct 08 10:55
MinceR(and generally make the damage less expensive to me)Oct 08 10:55
MinceRon the downside, i doubt the Crown Vic would have much of an advantage managing the hungarian (lack of) roadsOct 08 10:56
MinceRan SUV or APC would serve betterOct 08 10:56
DaemonFCWell, it wouldn't be possible to drive this thing in Paris, judging by the pictures my mom took while she was there.Oct 08 10:56
DaemonFCit would easily take the entire road all by itselfOct 08 10:57
DaemonFCand then there's the issue of running over pedestriansOct 08 10:57
DaemonFCno damage to the car, but there might be legal consequencesOct 08 10:57
DaemonFCB-)Oct 08 10:57
MinceR:>Oct 08 10:57
DaemonFChttps://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_iN0b5pTogpO_600x450.jpgOct 08 11:00
DaemonFChttps://images.craigslist.org/00a0a_1iPvB13LDu0_600x450.jpgOct 08 11:00
DaemonFChttps://images.craigslist.org/00V0V_cxCGyj8SNrP_600x450.jpgOct 08 11:01
DaemonFClooks like a very nice carOct 08 11:01
MinceRlooks like a long car with a low frame, which would easily get stuck here :>Oct 08 11:03
DaemonFCYeah.Oct 08 11:04
DaemonFCI don't like vehicles that ride high.Oct 08 11:04
DaemonFCThey're a rollover hazard and the handling is awful.Oct 08 11:04
MinceRdidn't the Crown Vic suffer from handling issues anyway? :>Oct 08 11:04
DaemonFCas far as I know, the Ford "Panther" platform cars are the last ones that anyone makes with rear wheel drive.Oct 08 11:05
DaemonFCAlot of people don't like that, but it's just because they're used to front wheel drive.Oct 08 11:05
MinceRi thought several companies still didOct 08 11:05
MinceRbmw made it a point of pride that their so-called "engineers" couldn't figure out how to steer and drive the same wheelOct 08 11:05
MinceR(probably the same "engineers" who thought it would be a good idea to run winblows ce on a car"Oct 08 11:06
MinceRs/.$/)/Oct 08 11:07
DaemonFChmmm, looks like several mainstream car makers did bring it back.Oct 08 11:11
DaemonFCFor a long time, there just wasn't much else to choose from.Oct 08 11:11
MinceRi prefer AWDOct 08 11:17
DaemonFCMajor gas guzzling.Oct 08 11:17
DaemonFCA lot of vehicles let you disable AWD when you don't need it to save gas though.Oct 08 11:17
MinceRmajor handling and tractionOct 08 11:17
MinceRthat's fine, i guessOct 08 11:17
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx3C6RN7W4S6O7IOct 08 11:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: This Halloween, I'm going to dress up as a Democrat!  [ http://ur1.ca/fuw2o ]Oct 08 11:31
DaemonFC Billy says:Oct 08 11:31
DaemonFCWhen kids come to my door, I'm going to take half their candy away from them and give it to the other kids who are too lazy to actually go trick-or-treating! Oct 08 11:31
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1ABJ4ONLQREG9Oct 08 11:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: This Halloween, I'm going to dress up as a Republican.  [ http://ur1.ca/fuw2q ]Oct 08 11:31
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 08 11:31
DaemonFCIf any poor kids come to my door, I'm going to take all their candy away from them and give it to the rich kids that already have more candy than they'll ever need. Oct 08 11:31
DaemonFCBad poor people! Bad! Don't you know that every second of life you can enjoy comes at the expense of the rich people!? How dare you! Now get out of here or I'll chase after you with my broom! Oct 08 11:33
DaemonFCMinceR, I saw that some guy had a 91 Crown Vic for sale.Oct 08 11:39
DaemonFCSo I stopped and made him an offer.Oct 08 11:39
DaemonFCIt was in good shape, so I offered him $2,000 for it. More than the book value, but it had new tires and brakes, and it was in excellent shape.Oct 08 11:39
DaemonFCThe guy said he wanted $5,000, no less.Oct 08 11:39
MinceR:)Oct 08 11:40
DaemonFCI told him there's no way I could go $5,000 on a '91 anything.Oct 08 11:40
DaemonFCHe said he got it for his son and put new tires and brakes on it before his son said he didn't want it because it was "outdated".Oct 08 11:40
DaemonFCI told him that what he did to it is his problem, and it's worth what it's worth.Oct 08 11:40
DaemonFC:POct 08 11:40
DaemonFCIt's still for sale, and that was like 5 months ago that I made him an offer.Oct 08 11:41
DaemonFCIt won't sell until he comes way down.Oct 08 11:41
DaemonFCI can't believe he'd rather have it in his lawn than take his licks and get rid of it.Oct 08 11:42
DaemonFCPutting new brakes and tires on it might cost him $1,000, but it doesn't bring up the sale value of the car that much.Oct 08 11:43
DaemonFCHe'd have been better off to have just sold it like he got it and let the buyer worry about that stuff.Oct 08 11:43
DaemonFCHe spent $1,000 to bring the car's value up by $300-400.Oct 08 11:43
MinceRhe got those things for his kid :>Oct 08 11:43
DaemonFCYou'd think he would have asked his son if he even wanted the car first.Oct 08 11:43
DaemonFCYou know?Oct 08 11:44
DaemonFCIt's not my fault that he's stupid and his son is a snob.Oct 08 11:44
MinceRi guess it was supposed to be a gift :>Oct 08 11:44
DaemonFCI'll take it.Oct 08 11:49
DaemonFC:)Oct 08 11:49
MinceR:)Oct 08 11:49
MinceR"Nice Town, I'll Take It"Oct 08 11:50
*DaemonFC time warps back to 1991.Oct 08 11:58
DaemonFCFree Mandela, huh?Oct 08 11:58
DaemonFCI'll take one!Oct 08 11:58
MinceR:)Oct 08 11:58
*MinceR takes a TibetOct 08 11:59
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1skVSX8mMOct 08 12:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Scissor Sisters - Sex and Violence - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fuw9a ]Oct 08 12:15
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10364467/Obama-refuses-to-overturn-Samsung-import-ban.htmlOct 08 13:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Obama refuses to overturn Samsung import ban - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwjs ]Oct 08 13:22
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iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/hollywood-attacks-scholars-who-deny-the-evils-of-piracy-131008/Oct 08 13:57
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Hollywood Attacks Scholars Who Deny The Evils of Piracy | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwoo ]Oct 08 13:57
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/nsa_data_centre_electrical_meltdown/Oct 08 13:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | NSA data centre launch delayed as power surges 'melt metal, zap racks'  The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwoq ]Oct 08 13:58
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iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/security/your-security-vendor-colluding-the-nsa-228353Oct 08 14:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Is your security vendor colluding with the NSA? | Security - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwq6 ]Oct 08 14:07
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iophkIf this goes with the RaspberryPi then it could go well. Otherwise, not so much.  http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/careers/3472589/bbc-form-partnerships-with-tech-companies-get-kids-coding/Oct 08 14:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworlduk.com | BBC to form partnerships with tech companies to get kids coding - ComputerworldUK.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwqu ]Oct 08 14:11
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__martin__iophk: thx a lot for this.. cannot remember laughing so hard recently =P http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzEwLzA3L2IyL0ZveE5ld3MxLjYxNjAwLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/6a495e6b/9e6/FoxNews1.jpgOct 08 15:02
iophkApparently it's not 'shopped.Oct 08 15:07
iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/10/07/fox-news-and-its-big-ass-touchscreens/Oct 08 15:08
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Fox News And Its Big-Ass Touchscreens   |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/fuwzr ]Oct 08 15:08
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2EuXTR4m5AOct 08 15:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Big Ass Table - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fux0p ]Oct 08 15:13
MinceRbig ass-tableOct 08 15:18
iophktablets with miniature workersOct 08 15:21
MinceRtablets with workers with miniature brainsOct 08 15:23
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MinceRhow secure/trustworthy is ECDSA?Oct 08 16:53
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