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XFaCEschestowitz: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/brazil-spying-report-spotlights-canadas-electronic-eavesdroppers/article14720003/#dashboard/follows/Oct 10 05:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.theglobeandmail.com | Charges that Canada spied on Brazil unveil CSEC's inner workings - The Globe and Mail  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5eu ]Oct 10 05:10
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS2Ba9gTPOoOct 10 05:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | GPS   Allstate TV Commercial - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5ge ]Oct 10 05:19
DaemonFCFord Sync with Microsoft!Oct 10 05:19
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWC6PWSJ50sOct 10 05:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Mayhem: Test Driver Video - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5gr ]Oct 10 05:21
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhyQgskfjNcOct 10 05:25
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Mayhem: Guard Dog Video - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5he ]Oct 10 05:25
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8JZwh5ZHYOct 10 05:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Mayhem: Tree Branch Video - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5hh ]Oct 10 05:26
DaemonFCSHaky shaky!Oct 10 05:26
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDL7RqPr5cOct 10 05:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Mayhem: Lawn Game Video - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5hw ]Oct 10 05:29
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC_UXK1vvdsOct 10 05:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Mayhem: Text Walker Video - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5jd ]Oct 10 05:39
DaemonFCMinceR, The guy I am buying the Crown Vic from mentioned how messed up our government is.Oct 10 06:14
DaemonFCI told him it's like that Alien Vs. Predator tagline.Oct 10 06:14
DaemonFC"Whoever wins, we lose."Oct 10 06:14
DaemonFCYou've got the business criminals and the Nazis.Oct 10 06:14
DaemonFCI guess I'd rather have ordinary business criminals running things than Nazis.Oct 10 06:15
DaemonFCBut they're both bad.Oct 10 06:15
DaemonFCAlot of these Tea Party people are really just neoconfederates.Oct 10 06:15
DaemonFCIt's that "States Rights Democratic Party" bullshit from the 1960s all over again.Oct 10 06:16
DaemonFCWhen bad stuff happens, extremists get a foothold in government.Oct 10 06:16
DaemonFCI understand that actual Nazis are taking over slowly in Greece.Oct 10 06:17
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MinceRthey already took over hereOct 10 06:49
DaemonFCMinceR, I don't suppose the idle threats about being expelled from the EU are slowing them down at all.Oct 10 06:53
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 06:53
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MinceRthey didn't slow them down at allOct 10 06:54
DaemonFChttp://www.kernschevysuperstore.com/detail.aspx?id=3391728&PrefID=0&.aspxOct 10 06:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.kernschevysuperstore.com | 1996 Ford Crown Victoria - Used Sedan Lima OH | Kerns Chevrolet Buick GMC  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5v9 ]Oct 10 06:55
DaemonFCI got my mom looking at that one.Oct 10 06:55
DaemonFCDave couldn't understand why I wanted one.Oct 10 06:56
DaemonFCI told him "It's big, reliable, fast, and cheap."Oct 10 06:56
DaemonFCThe ricers get some o them, but at least they're dealing with a real car. Not a Honda Civic. :)Oct 10 06:57
MinceRafaik honda civics are real carsOct 10 06:58
DaemonFCThe only argument for a Honda Civic is it gets good gas mileage.Oct 10 06:59
MinceRand that it's reliableOct 10 06:59
DaemonFCand it should, because it takes three of them to equal one carOct 10 06:59
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 06:59
DaemonFCYou get into a wreck and you're finished.Oct 10 06:59
MinceRwell, there's thatOct 10 06:59
DaemonFCThe entire car is a crumple zone.Oct 10 06:59
DaemonFCand it's basically a fiberglass body on a motorcycle engineOct 10 07:00
DaemonFCI read one person's post about hitting a Toyota Camry with their Ford Crown Victoria.Oct 10 07:01
DaemonFCThey said that the Crown Vic needed a paint touch up and a new headlight cover.Oct 10 07:01
DaemonFCThey said the Camry was totaled.Oct 10 07:01
MinceRno, it's a compact car :>Oct 10 07:01
MinceRnot sure about the fiberglass eitherOct 10 07:01
DaemonFCThe person driving the Camry made the really dumb mistake of trying to change lanes without signaling and got rear-ended.Oct 10 07:02
DaemonFCand the entire back half of their car was crushed by the Crown Vic.Oct 10 07:02
MinceRthey don't know about turn signals in the usa either? :>Oct 10 07:02
DaemonFCYou'd think that you'd look, see the Crown Vic, and decide that you don't want to get in the way.Oct 10 07:02
DaemonFCSo apparently the dumb bitch didn't look or signal.Oct 10 07:03
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 07:03
DaemonFCOf course, no matter what happens, the person that hits the back of another car is "at fault".Oct 10 07:03
DaemonFCKind of like how I was "at fault" when the jogger listening to his ipod decided to run out in front of my car.Oct 10 07:03
DaemonFCIf I had it to do over again from the point of seeing if he was OK, I would have curb stomped the ipod.Oct 10 07:04
DaemonFCHe had.....a small bruise, and my insurance rate tripled for three years.Oct 10 07:04
DaemonFCSix months later, my mom noticed that my Taurus was filthy but that there was a giant "clean streak" on the hood.Oct 10 07:05
DaemonFCI said "Yeah, that was the guy with the ipod."Oct 10 07:05
MinceR:)Oct 10 07:05
DaemonFCThe hit knocked him up onto the hood, then he landed about 10 feet from the driver side of the car.Oct 10 07:06
DaemonFCI got out and asked if he was alright. First words out of his mouth are "You stupid son of a bitch!".Oct 10 07:07
DaemonFCIf fleeing the scene wasn't a crime I would have said "So, that's a yes?" and left.Oct 10 07:07
DaemonFCOnly in this country can you run out into traffic and blame the driver of the car that hits you.Oct 10 07:08
DaemonFCProbably wouldn't be the case if common sense prevailed, but trial lawyers probably love it.Oct 10 07:08
DaemonFCYeah, I've had some fun times with that Taurus.Oct 10 07:10
DaemonFCIt's had about as much of me as it can take.Oct 10 07:10
DaemonFC:POct 10 07:10
DaemonFCYesterday, I was going 50 miles an hour down a country road to go look at the Crown Vic, and I see a railroad crossing.Oct 10 07:11
DaemonFCThought nothing of it because most of them are flat.Oct 10 07:11
DaemonFCThis one wasn't.Oct 10 07:11
DaemonFCSo I went flying into the air, probably 5-6 feet off the ground, and then landed.Oct 10 07:12
DaemonFCand my trunk flies openOct 10 07:12
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 07:12
DaemonFCI need to call that guy tomorrow and tell him to watch out for that railroad crossing.Oct 10 07:12
DaemonFCIt would be nice if there was a posted warning about that.Oct 10 07:13
DaemonFCBut no. The speed limit is 50 and all of a sudden, you're airborne.Oct 10 07:13
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/387867100607299584Oct 10 07:25
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz not first time wealthy empowered loony movements only to find they made monsters.  Is how the Wiemar Republic collapsed too.Oct 10 07:25
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DaemonFCI'll have this Vic purring like a kitten.Oct 10 07:28
DaemonFCI'll give it a tune up sometime next spring.Oct 10 07:28
DaemonFCnew plugs and wiresOct 10 07:28
DaemonFCI'll have a shop do it because if they fuck up and break one of the plugs, they're the ones that have to figure out how to get it out.Oct 10 07:28
DaemonFCI want to get a coolant flush right away because winter is coming and all the shops have those on special right now.Oct 10 07:29
DaemonFCI could do it myself, but for $45 they can have right at it.Oct 10 07:30
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 07:30
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DaemonFChttp://www.dummies.com/Section/Windows-8.id-811990.htmlOct 10 07:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.dummies.com | Microsoft Windows 8 - For Dummies  [ http://ur1.ca/fv65d ]Oct 10 07:35
MinceRthey left an 'is' out thereOct 10 07:41
DaemonFCMinceR, I had my mom ask if she should take her car to Walmart's oil change place.Oct 10 07:48
DaemonFCI said "Only if you want an excuse to go new car shopping.".Oct 10 07:48
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 07:48
DaemonFCShe asked me why I said that. I told her "Because I was a manager at Walmart and got to deal with customers that left without oil in the engine, had their drain plug stripped out, had the oil overfilled, had them bill them for an oil change and then not do one....."Oct 10 07:49
DaemonFCI remember one day when someone brought their BMW (to Walmart!) and had it fall off the lift.Oct 10 07:50
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 07:50
DaemonFChttp://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/off-topic-discussion/how-does-walmart-make-money-on-a-20-oil-change/18504/page1/Oct 10 07:53
TechrightsBot-trgrassrootsmotorsports.com | How does walmart make money on a $20 oil change?: Off-Topic Discussion forum:  Grassroots Motorsports Magazine  [ http://ur1.ca/fv687 ]Oct 10 07:53
DaemonFC"cheap oil, cheaper filter, and minimum wage...FTW "Oct 10 07:53
DaemonFCLOLOct 10 07:54
DaemonFC"will any of these places (that charge so little) use the oil you specify"Oct 10 07:55
DaemonFCWalmart will, but they charge the shelf price of the oil * number of quarts + an extra $2Oct 10 07:56
DaemonFCPeople who are picky about motor oil brands have...issues.Oct 10 07:56
DaemonFCI've gotten cars up to nearly 300,000 miles using nothing but bulk/off brand motor oils.Oct 10 07:57
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DaemonFCIt's just not that big of a deal as long as it complies with the relevant standards and you actually change it on time.Oct 10 07:57
DaemonFCThey get people on the hook with "high mileage" and "full synthetic" oils.Oct 10 07:57
DaemonFCbut unless you're driving a sports car that calls for it, you're just wasting moneyOct 10 07:58
DaemonFCI've torn down engines, and the biggest difference was not brand of oil, it was whether it got changed on time.Oct 10 07:58
DaemonFC3,000 miles is a good interval the "or 3 months" part is so they can sell you more oil changes.Oct 10 08:00
DaemonFCIt should be 3,000 miles or 9 months if you ask meOct 10 08:00
DaemonFCunless you do a lot of stop and go or idling.Oct 10 08:00
DaemonFCSome of the filthiest engines are the ones where people do use full synthetic and actually believe that 15,000 mile marketing crapOct 10 08:01
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DaemonFCI don't do Walmart oil changes, ever. Even on my 20 year old rusted out shitpile.Oct 10 08:05
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DaemonFCI don't even trust them with that.Oct 10 08:05
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DaemonFCFor $3 more you can go across the street to the Ford dealer and have someone that knows what they're doing and won't impact strip your drain plug and stick a FRAM filter on your car.Oct 10 08:05
DaemonFCTotally worth it.Oct 10 08:05
DaemonFCI made it a point to ask the guy with the Crown Vic for his service records for the car.Oct 10 08:10
DaemonFCI saw that it got all of its oil changes at Crain Ford.Oct 10 08:10
DaemonFCThat made me feel alot better.Oct 10 08:10
DaemonFCMost people go to Walmart because they think they're being smart by having a minimum wage teenager work on their $30,000 car.Oct 10 08:11
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DaemonFChttp://auto.howstuffworks.com/5-benefits-of-an-engine-flush.htmOct 10 08:14
DaemonFCLOLOct 10 08:14
TechrightsBot-trauto.howstuffworks.com | HowStuffWorks "5 Benefits of an Engine Flush"  [ http://ur1.ca/fv6c5 ]Oct 10 08:14
DaemonFCEngine flushes destroy engines.Oct 10 08:14
DaemonFCAir conditioners are a "if it works, leave it alone" thing.Oct 10 08:15
DaemonFCYou want to run them every so often even in winter, to circulate the oil in the system.Oct 10 08:15
DaemonFCI've had some old cars where the compressor would start leaking. Those compressors aren't cheap, and the labor hours aren't either.Oct 10 08:16
DaemonFCIf it's a minor leak, you can get away with recharging it yourself with R-134a + "stop leak".Oct 10 08:16
DaemonFCusuallyOct 10 08:16
DaemonFCI had a car where I did that and the air conditioner worked for the next five years. By then I was ready to sell it as a beater anyway.Oct 10 08:17
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012Oct 10 09:03
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MinceRgeekingsOct 10 09:12
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iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/10/09/hp-admits-what-we-already-knew-microsoft-is-at-war-with-its-oem-partners/Oct 10 10:17
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | HP Admits What We Already Knew: Microsoft Is At War With Its OEM Partners  |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/fv6xa ]Oct 10 10:17
iophkMaybe the OEM monopoly will weaken and break soon.  There are already a few Chromebooks available.Oct 10 10:18
iophkGetting full Gnu/linux out there would be the next sign.Oct 10 10:18
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iophkserious M$ apologist: http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2013/10/09/what-is-the-worst-thing-about-working-at-microsoft/Oct 10 10:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | What Is The Worst Thing About Working At Microsoft? - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fv6y5 ]Oct 10 10:21
JimmyCarterlolOct 10 10:25
iophkIt is interesting to see what their party line is these days.Oct 10 10:28
JimmyCarterfix your bugs and maybe people will stop "doubting" youOct 10 10:28
iophkand their business modelOct 10 10:28
iophkM$ has squashed a lot of innovation over the years and even whole businessesOct 10 10:29
JimmyCarterwhats last innovation ms squashed?Oct 10 10:29
JimmyCarterseems like that was the 90s to meOct 10 10:30
JimmyCarterperhaps you would say nokia Oct 10 10:30
iophkmeego would be one of the latest but it's not completely outOct 10 10:30
iophkit has some new life in JollaOct 10 10:30
iophkThey did a second round of pre-orders recentlyOct 10 10:30
iophkODF was another high profile tech, but even it is not gone completelyOct 10 10:31
iophkStacker was one of the first I rememberOct 10 10:32
iophkeven the effects on hardware are lessening with ARM becoming popular.Oct 10 10:33
iophkMIPS might be on the edge of a revival.  Oct 10 10:33
iophkIt's in a fair number of network appliances but not the desktop Oct 10 10:33
JimmyCarterinteresting re MIPSOct 10 10:41
iophkRMS runs MIPSOct 10 10:41
iophkhttp://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/Oct 10 10:41
TechrightsBot-trrichard.stallman.usesthis.com | The Setup / Richard StallmanOct 10 10:41
iophkhttp://stallman.org/stallman-computing.htmlOct 10 10:42
TechrightsBot-trstallman.org | How I do my Computing  [ http://ur1.ca/0dj8d ]Oct 10 10:42
iophk'"We're convinced that innovation will be greatly enhanced and improved if Microsoft's heavy hand of monopoly is removed from the industry," said Ed Black, president of the Computer & Communications Industry Association (CCIA).'Oct 10 10:51
iophkhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/781765.stmOct 10 10:51
TechrightsBot-trnews.bbc.co.uk | BBC NEWS  | Business  | Has Microsoft stifled innovation?  [ http://ur1.ca/fv736 ]Oct 10 10:51
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/avoiding-layoffs-motivates-south-tyrol-province-wide-switchOct 10 10:59
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | Avoiding layoffs motivates South Tyrol province-wide switch | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/fv74b ]Oct 10 10:59
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/att-the-internet-is-awesome-so-lets-get-rid-of-phone-regulations/Oct 10 11:53
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | AT&T: The Internet is awesome, so let’s get rid of phone regulations | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fv7ex ]Oct 10 11:53
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DaemonFCthat's hilariousOct 10 13:30
DaemonFCThe first Google result for "pirate" is The Pirate Bay.Oct 10 13:31
DaemonFCwith links to browse torrents or the Top 100.Oct 10 13:31
DaemonFCLOLOct 10 13:31
DaemonFCTheir infobox even has the Pirate Ship logo with information on The Pirate Bay from Wikipedia.Oct 10 13:32
DaemonFCThen a link to the Pittsburgh Pirates.Oct 10 13:32
DaemonFCThen a link to Wikipedia's page on piracy at sea.Oct 10 13:32
DaemonFCI couldn't have done that better myself.Oct 10 13:33
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DaemonFCSo, I should be able to finalize the deal on that car today.Oct 10 13:54
*DaemonFC feels like a kid on Christmas morning.Oct 10 13:55
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 13:55
DaemonFCMinceR,  It feels good knowing that you own something nice and didn't have to bring the fucking banks into the process.Oct 10 13:55
DaemonFCB-)Oct 10 13:56
DaemonFCThe guy I'm buying the car from told me about his first car. He said that it was a Chevy Nova that had a bad engine. He bought it because it was $100 and he figured he'd just drop another engine into it.Oct 10 13:57
DaemonFCHe said that before he ever got to do that, a city garbage truck ran into the car.Oct 10 13:57
oiaohmI have just had some sport with my debian break and failing to load anything gtk based.Oct 10 13:57
DaemonFCTheir insurance company totaled it out and paid him $300 for it.Oct 10 13:57
oiaohmPushed all gtk libraries back to stable and its running again.Oct 10 13:57
DaemonFCHe said he was thrilled.Oct 10 13:57
DaemonFC(In the 1970s when that was a fair bit of money.)Oct 10 13:58
oiaohmDaemonFC: profit from insurnace company is rare.Oct 10 13:58
DaemonFCThe US Dollar has lost more than half the value it had in the (nearly) 30 years I've been alive.Oct 10 13:58
DaemonFCSo in today's terms he probably paid $400 for it and got $1,200.Oct 10 13:59
DaemonFC:POct 10 13:59
DaemonFCsomething like thatOct 10 13:59
DaemonFCCongress is on a mission to debauch the currency so that people are punished for saving.Oct 10 13:59
oiaohmSeen the one with MS releasing RDP clients on Android and OSiOct 10 14:00
DaemonFCThe Fed's goal is inflation because it scares people into spending everything they have quickly while it still buys something.Oct 10 14:00
oiaohmOk gnome-terminal still busted.Oct 10 14:01
DaemonFCI had to doctor GNOME up alot just to make it work right.Oct 10 14:01
DaemonFC"Out of the box experience" is horrible.Oct 10 14:02
DaemonFCI still wish there was an extension to disable their new system tray and put it back in the main panel where it was in GNOME 2.Oct 10 14:02
DaemonFCIs there?Oct 10 14:02
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 14:02
MinceRjust upgrade to xfceOct 10 14:03
oiaohmMinceR: what ever went wrong with the GTK took out xfce as well.Oct 10 14:04
MinceRyour fault for not using stable :>Oct 10 14:04
DaemonFCFedora will fix it up.Oct 10 14:05
MinceRand break itself.Oct 10 14:05
DaemonFCThey're a lot better than they used to be.Oct 10 14:05
DaemonFCThey used to ship some obviously and horribly broken releases.Oct 10 14:05
MinceRi still don't trust yum.Oct 10 14:05
DaemonFCbut their latest ones are quite goodOct 10 14:05
DaemonFCyum is being replaced soon-ishOct 10 14:06
MinceRwith what?Oct 10 14:06
DaemonFChttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNFOct 10 14:07
TechrightsBot-trfedoraproject.org | Features/DNF - FedoraProject  [ http://ur1.ca/9j26l ]Oct 10 14:07
DaemonFCA fork of yum.Oct 10 14:07
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 14:07
MinceRDuke Nukem Forever. :>Oct 10 14:07
DaemonFCIt's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum.Oct 10 14:08
DaemonFC...and I'm all out of gum.Oct 10 14:08
MinceR:)Oct 10 14:08
oiaohmMinceR: my system is about 80 percent testing.Oct 10 14:13
DaemonFCThe last time I sold a car, I sold it to a lady on Social Security.Oct 10 14:13
MinceRoiaohm: expect issues, then :>Oct 10 14:13
oiaohmMinceR: funny enough this is the first major break in 4 years.Oct 10 14:14
DaemonFCSo I put down that I sold it to her for $50.Oct 10 14:14
DaemonFC:POct 10 14:14
DaemonFCThe sales tax alone would have wiped her out that month. Does the state care? No.Oct 10 14:14
oiaohmMinceR: yes debian testing issues are supprising rare I think its something about waylandOct 10 14:14
DaemonFCI asked the guy I'm buying the car from if he'd put down that I bought it for $100.Oct 10 14:15
DaemonFCHe said no.Oct 10 14:15
DaemonFCSo there goes $100-something to the state.Oct 10 14:16
DaemonFCDamn it.Oct 10 14:16
DaemonFCI would have bought the car and titled it yesterday, but his dad owned the car and when he died, nobody titled it over to anyone else.Oct 10 14:17
DaemonFCSo technically the car belongs to a dead person.Oct 10 14:17
DaemonFCSo he has to bring the death certificate to the DMV office, *and* his Power Of Attorney over his mom.Oct 10 14:17
DaemonFCand that's the only way he can legally sell me the car.Oct 10 14:17
DaemonFCI thought about asking him to just sign his dad's name on the title.Oct 10 14:18
DaemonFCI doubt the state would have figured it out, but knowing my luck....Oct 10 14:18
DaemonFCand if he does that, then there's no telling who would find out and challenge itOct 10 14:18
DaemonFC"He didn't have the right to do that and dad and my senile mother would want *me* to have the car!"Oct 10 14:19
DaemonFCSo I'm not taking any of that risk.Oct 10 14:19
DaemonFCHe can either get the paperwork together and title it over legally, or I'm going to have to walk.Oct 10 14:19
DaemonFCIt would just kill me to do that, but I'm not going to risk any entanglement with our government over this.Oct 10 14:20
DaemonFCMinceR, See what kind of a mess can happen when there's no planning for what to do with someone's estate?Oct 10 14:21
MinceRmehOct 10 14:21
DaemonFCTechnically it's his dad's estate, through his Power of Attorney over his mother that is selling me the car.Oct 10 14:21
DaemonFCMy grandmother never changed the phone bill over to her name after my grandfather died.Oct 10 14:22
DaemonFC15 years later, my phone still says his name when she calls me.Oct 10 14:22
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DaemonFCPhone company doesn't care. Someone pays the bill.Oct 10 14:23
DaemonFCcat is throwing upOct 10 14:23
DaemonFCI had to grab him and hold him over the trash can.Oct 10 14:23
oiaohmDaemonFC: mind you dead person with assest does cause some tax fun.Oct 10 14:23
oiaohmDaemonFC: sometimes it cheaper to run the estate for everOct 10 14:23
DaemonFC"HERE! *HEAVE HEAVE HEAVE!* LET ME *BARF* PUKE ALL OVER THE CARPET!"Oct 10 14:23
oiaohmDaemonFC: worst I have had was a dog after a evil batch of dog biskets.Oct 10 14:24
DaemonFCI call my cat the Foul Smelling Beast.Oct 10 14:28
DaemonFC"Who's my foul smelling beast? You're my foul smelling beast! Yes you are!"Oct 10 14:28
MinceRsmelly cat, smelly catOct 10 14:32
DaemonFChmmm, good timingOct 10 15:16
DaemonFCThe local Ford dealer sent me coupons for an oil change, a coolant flush, and a transmission drain and fill and filter change.Oct 10 15:16
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 15:16
DaemonFCprobably ended up on their mailing list when I was looking for a used FordOct 10 15:17
DaemonFCWhen I take it in for a tune up in a few months, I'm just going to have them change the plugs, wires, and coil packs all at once.Oct 10 15:17
DaemonFCThe labor is the main thing.Oct 10 15:18
DaemonFCI'd feel pretty stupid if I had a wire or coil pack go bad after they just had it all disassembled to change the plugs.Oct 10 15:18
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 15:18
DaemonFCNo, it doesn't need a tune up, but you shouldn't really wait until it does.Oct 10 15:18
DaemonFCIt's nearing 100,000 miles, so that's the time to do it.Oct 10 15:19
DaemonFCFord's service manual says 100,000 is the time to do the plugs and wires.Oct 10 15:19
DaemonFCI plan to pick up the service schedule right where they left off.Oct 10 15:19
DaemonFCSomeone took exceptionally good care of this car. I was impressed.Oct 10 15:20
DaemonFCThey even had it detailed.Oct 10 15:20
DaemonFCNormally you look under the hood and the transmission fluid is black, the coolant is brown and has stuff floating in it, the oil looks like chocolate syrup, and the entire compartment is filthy.Oct 10 15:21
DaemonFCand the air filter has usually never been changedOct 10 15:21
DaemonFCThose are the kind of cars you find on dealer lots that were traded in.Oct 10 15:21
DaemonFCThey took a huge loss on them because they neglected everything and there was no way they could possibly sell it themselves.Oct 10 15:21
DaemonFCIf the used car market keeps going like it is, I'll pay $2200 for that car today and turn around 10 years later and sell it for $1,700 or so.Oct 10 15:22
DaemonFCThat's what happened with my Taurus. I paid $2,000 for it in 2005, and 100,000 miles later and in bad condition, it's still valued at $1,100.Oct 10 15:23
DaemonFCand I beat the crap out of itOct 10 15:23
DaemonFCused cars are like crazy right nowOct 10 15:23
DaemonFCI don't think this guy realizes what he has.Oct 10 15:23
DaemonFCIf he did, he'd be trying to wring at least $3500 out of me.Oct 10 15:23
DaemonFCI told a dealer that called a few minutes ago about that car, and he said "So what are you paying? 34, 35?"Oct 10 15:24
DaemonFCI said "22".Oct 10 15:24
DaemonFCHe's like "Oh, well, we couldn't give you a deal like that. Have a nice day!"Oct 10 15:24
DaemonFCLOLOct 10 15:24
MinceR:DOct 10 15:25
DaemonFCThe Crown Vic is like the closest thing to perfect in the used car market right now.Oct 10 15:27
DaemonFCThey're incredibly unpopular with anyone under 60.Oct 10 15:27
DaemonFCso the price goes down alotOct 10 15:27
DaemonFClimited marketOct 10 15:27
DaemonFCPeople look at you funny when you're in your 20s and you're driving a full size sedan.Oct 10 15:28
DaemonFCThe Ford Taurus used to be a great value on the used car market.Oct 10 15:29
DaemonFCNow they're impossible to get a good price on.Oct 10 15:29
DaemonFCEveryone wants one because they're a fairly durable midsize sedan that doesn't guzzle gas.Oct 10 15:29
DaemonFCSo you see ones that are a 2002 with 160,000 miles going for $4500.Oct 10 15:30
DaemonFCThat's just crazy.Oct 10 15:30
DaemonFCWhen I was last in the market, the Taurus was the best car for the money. Tons of gently-used mid to late 90s models were on the market at extremely fair prices.Oct 10 15:30
DaemonFCSupply gluts drive prices down.Oct 10 15:31
DaemonFCPeople ask me if I'm afraid to drive a 20 year old car.Oct 10 15:31
DaemonFCI tell them "Not at all."Oct 10 15:31
DaemonFCIf you treat it like a machine instead of an appliance, they should keep going for a very long time.Oct 10 15:32
DaemonFCAssuming that they were a decent car to begin with.Oct 10 15:32
DaemonFCPeople treat their cars like a washing machine.Oct 10 15:32
DaemonFCYou just buy one and keep pressing the button until it doesn't work anymore, and then buy a new one.Oct 10 15:32
DaemonFCDisgustingly wasteful.Oct 10 15:33
DaemonFCI'll never buy a new car.Oct 10 15:33
DaemonFCNot now, not ever.Oct 10 15:33
DaemonFCIf I don't have the money to buy it in my pocket, it's just not going to happen.Oct 10 15:33
DaemonFCI really don't have any debt.Oct 10 15:34
DaemonFCI thought I'd be cute and see what the going rate for a car loan for someone like me would be.Oct 10 15:34
DaemonFCMinceR, You know what they said?Oct 10 15:34
DaemonFC"Your credit rating is good, but we have to deny you because you're not in enough debt already."Oct 10 15:34
DaemonFCI was like "What the fuck is this shit?"Oct 10 15:34
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 15:34
DaemonFCI can't get a loan because I'm too responsible.Oct 10 15:35
DaemonFC"So if I go out and get a 30 year mortgage and max out a credit card, you'll talk to me?"Oct 10 15:35
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MinceR:)Oct 10 15:35
DaemonFC"Yeah, pretty much."Oct 10 15:35
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DaemonFCThat's just so bad it deserves a facepalm.Oct 10 15:36
DaemonFC"You have enough money to service the proposed debt. We'll never get you on the penalty rate or repo and resell your car. NEXT!"Oct 10 15:37
DaemonFCThat's what this national debt crisis really is right now. They have to give the banksters an excuse to downgrade our credit rating so they can "earn" more interest.Oct 10 15:38
DaemonFCThey do the same thing to people.Oct 10 15:38
DaemonFCBanks suck.Oct 10 15:38
DaemonFCThey like people who miss a payment every now and then but get it "on schedule" eventually.Oct 10 15:39
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/extratorrent-threatens-legal-action-over-police-ordered-domain-seizure-131010/Oct 10 15:39
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | ExtraTorrent Threatens Legal Action Over Police-Ordered Domain Seizure | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fv8ij ]Oct 10 15:39
DaemonFCGives them an excuse to make their interest rate 20% instead of 3.4Oct 10 15:39
DaemonFC3.4 is basically a teaserOct 10 15:40
DaemonFCthey screen out most of the customers that can make 100% on time payments so they don't have to do 3.4 for very longOct 10 15:41
DaemonFCMinceR, I told that loan officer off.Oct 10 15:42
DaemonFCI read her the Riot Act.Oct 10 15:42
DaemonFCI said "I will NEVER do business with this credit union because of this. I was going to move all my accounts here, but forget it. You're rude, you're unprofessional, and your terms just suck. The only reason I was considering banking here was because it might be necessary to get a reasonable auto loan."Oct 10 15:43
MinceR:>Oct 10 15:43
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DaemonFCoh, I left them a nasty review on Google as wellOct 10 15:52
DaemonFCfuckersOct 10 15:52
DaemonFC"Denied for a car loan even though my FICO rating is good. Checked into opening a bank account there because I thought it might be necessary to get a car loan approval. When I checked into their account terms, fees, and interest rates, I was seriously unimpressed. Why does anyone do business with a bank that charges you just to have an account, order checks, and get a paper statement? Ally Bank and Oct 10 15:52
DaemonFCCapital One 360 don't do this. Also, their employees are incredibly rude. I'm listed as a joint account owner on someone else's account and asked them if I could write myself a check on my bank account since being a joint owner makes me a member. They said "Well, YOU'RE responsible if it BOUNCES!". I have NEVER ONCE bounced a check in my entire life."Oct 10 15:52
DaemonFCTake that.Oct 10 15:53
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 15:53
DaemonFCI feel better.Oct 10 15:53
DaemonFCThat's out of my system now.Oct 10 15:53
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/10/berners_lee_on_html_drm/Oct 10 16:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Web daddy Tim Berners-Lee: DRMed HTML least of all evils • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fv8m4 ]Oct 10 16:00
DaemonFChttp://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/02/5-tip-offs-to-mechanic-rip-offs/index.htmOct 10 16:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.consumerreports.org | Car-Mechanic Rip-Offs | Car Repair | Car Maintenance -  Consumer Reports  [ http://ur1.ca/fv8me ]Oct 10 16:01
DaemonFCEngine flush: BADOct 10 16:01
DaemonFCTransmission flush: Should be fine as long as the transmission isn't already damaged.Oct 10 16:02
DaemonFCIf the fluid is already brown, you should just do a drain and fill, and filter replacement, and then do another one in about 5,000 miles.Oct 10 16:02
DaemonFC Raymond Andrews says:Oct 10 16:41
DaemonFCKEWL so when is Obama going to finish my fence?!?! cause good fences make for good neighbors Oct 10 16:41
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 10 16:41
DaemonFCYou'd think so, but then you get the neighbor that builds a pool downwind of your pine trees and then complains about the pine trees and demands that you pay $1,000 to get them cut down. :) Oct 10 16:41
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 10 16:43
DaemonFCAs a side note, the pine tree story was what happened to my mom and stepdad.Oct 10 16:43
DaemonFCThe neighbor came to complain about that while I was there and I said "That's alright ma'am, no charge for the pine needles.".Oct 10 16:43
DaemonFCI told my stepdad that she's lucky that I'm not their neighbor. After that scene, I'd be upstairs leaning outside to shake the pine tree branches. Oct 10 16:43
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iophkhttp://www.tecmint.com/screen-command-examples-to-manage-linux-terminals/Oct 10 20:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.tecmint.com | 10 Screen Command Examples to Manage Linux Terminals  [ http://ur1.ca/fva3h ]Oct 10 20:48
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XFaCEschestowitz: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/brazil-spying-report-spotlights-canadas-electronic-eavesdroppers/article14720003/#dashboard/follows/Oct 10 05:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.theglobeandmail.com | Charges that Canada spied on Brazil unveil CSEC's inner workings - The Globe and Mail  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5eu ]Oct 10 05:10
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS2Ba9gTPOoOct 10 05:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | GPS   Allstate TV Commercial - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5ge ]Oct 10 05:19
DaemonFCFord Sync with Microsoft!Oct 10 05:19
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWC6PWSJ50sOct 10 05:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Mayhem: Test Driver Video - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5gr ]Oct 10 05:21
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhyQgskfjNcOct 10 05:25
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DaemonFCSHaky shaky!Oct 10 05:26
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDL7RqPr5cOct 10 05:29
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DaemonFCMinceR, The guy I am buying the Crown Vic from mentioned how messed up our government is.Oct 10 06:14
DaemonFCI told him it's like that Alien Vs. Predator tagline.Oct 10 06:14
DaemonFC"Whoever wins, we lose."Oct 10 06:14
DaemonFCYou've got the business criminals and the Nazis.Oct 10 06:14
DaemonFCI guess I'd rather have ordinary business criminals running things than Nazis.Oct 10 06:15
DaemonFCBut they're both bad.Oct 10 06:15
DaemonFCAlot of these Tea Party people are really just neoconfederates.Oct 10 06:15
DaemonFCIt's that "States Rights Democratic Party" bullshit from the 1960s all over again.Oct 10 06:16
DaemonFCWhen bad stuff happens, extremists get a foothold in government.Oct 10 06:16
DaemonFCI understand that actual Nazis are taking over slowly in Greece.Oct 10 06:17
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MinceRthey already took over hereOct 10 06:49
DaemonFCMinceR, I don't suppose the idle threats about being expelled from the EU are slowing them down at all.Oct 10 06:53
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 06:53
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MinceRthey didn't slow them down at allOct 10 06:54
DaemonFChttp://www.kernschevysuperstore.com/detail.aspx?id=3391728&PrefID=0&.aspxOct 10 06:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.kernschevysuperstore.com | 1996 Ford Crown Victoria - Used Sedan Lima OH | Kerns Chevrolet Buick GMC  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5v9 ]Oct 10 06:55
DaemonFCI got my mom looking at that one.Oct 10 06:55
DaemonFCDave couldn't understand why I wanted one.Oct 10 06:56
DaemonFCI told him "It's big, reliable, fast, and cheap."Oct 10 06:57
DaemonFCThe ricers get some o them, but at least they're dealing with a real car. Not a Honda Civic. :)Oct 10 06:57
MinceRafaik honda civics are real carsOct 10 06:58
DaemonFCThe only argument for a Honda Civic is it gets good gas mileage.Oct 10 06:59
MinceRand that it's reliableOct 10 06:59
DaemonFCand it should, because it takes three of them to equal one carOct 10 06:59
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 06:59
DaemonFCYou get into a wreck and you're finished.Oct 10 06:59
MinceRwell, there's thatOct 10 06:59
DaemonFCThe entire car is a crumple zone.Oct 10 06:59
DaemonFCand it's basically a fiberglass body on a motorcycle engineOct 10 07:00
DaemonFCI read one person's post about hitting a Toyota Camry with their Ford Crown Victoria.Oct 10 07:01
DaemonFCThey said that the Crown Vic needed a paint touch up and a new headlight cover.Oct 10 07:01
DaemonFCThey said the Camry was totaled.Oct 10 07:01
MinceRno, it's a compact car :>Oct 10 07:01
MinceRnot sure about the fiberglass eitherOct 10 07:01
DaemonFCThe person driving the Camry made the really dumb mistake of trying to change lanes without signaling and got rear-ended.Oct 10 07:02
DaemonFCand the entire back half of their car was crushed by the Crown Vic.Oct 10 07:02
MinceRthey don't know about turn signals in the usa either? :>Oct 10 07:02
DaemonFCYou'd think that you'd look, see the Crown Vic, and decide that you don't want to get in the way.Oct 10 07:02
DaemonFCSo apparently the dumb bitch didn't look or signal.Oct 10 07:03
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 07:03
DaemonFCOf course, no matter what happens, the person that hits the back of another car is "at fault".Oct 10 07:03
DaemonFCKind of like how I was "at fault" when the jogger listening to his ipod decided to run out in front of my car.Oct 10 07:04
DaemonFCIf I had it to do over again from the point of seeing if he was OK, I would have curb stomped the ipod.Oct 10 07:04
DaemonFCHe had.....a small bruise, and my insurance rate tripled for three years.Oct 10 07:04
DaemonFCSix months later, my mom noticed that my Taurus was filthy but that there was a giant "clean streak" on the hood.Oct 10 07:05
DaemonFCI said "Yeah, that was the guy with the ipod."Oct 10 07:05
MinceR:)Oct 10 07:05
DaemonFCThe hit knocked him up onto the hood, then he landed about 10 feet from the driver side of the car.Oct 10 07:06
DaemonFCI got out and asked if he was alright. First words out of his mouth are "You stupid son of a bitch!".Oct 10 07:07
DaemonFCIf fleeing the scene wasn't a crime I would have said "So, that's a yes?" and left.Oct 10 07:07
DaemonFCOnly in this country can you run out into traffic and blame the driver of the car that hits you.Oct 10 07:08
DaemonFCProbably wouldn't be the case if common sense prevailed, but trial lawyers probably love it.Oct 10 07:08
DaemonFCYeah, I've had some fun times with that Taurus.Oct 10 07:10
DaemonFCIt's had about as much of me as it can take.Oct 10 07:10
DaemonFC:POct 10 07:10
DaemonFCYesterday, I was going 50 miles an hour down a country road to go look at the Crown Vic, and I see a railroad crossing.Oct 10 07:11
DaemonFCThought nothing of it because most of them are flat.Oct 10 07:11
DaemonFCThis one wasn't.Oct 10 07:11
DaemonFCSo I went flying into the air, probably 5-6 feet off the ground, and then landed.Oct 10 07:12
DaemonFCand my trunk flies openOct 10 07:12
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 07:12
DaemonFCI need to call that guy tomorrow and tell him to watch out for that railroad crossing.Oct 10 07:12
DaemonFCIt would be nice if there was a posted warning about that.Oct 10 07:13
DaemonFCBut no. The speed limit is 50 and all of a sudden, you're airborne.Oct 10 07:13
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/387867100607299584Oct 10 07:25
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz not first time wealthy empowered loony movements only to find they made monsters.  Is how the Wiemar Republic collapsed too.Oct 10 07:25
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DaemonFCI'll have this Vic purring like a kitten.Oct 10 07:28
DaemonFCI'll give it a tune up sometime next spring.Oct 10 07:28
DaemonFCnew plugs and wiresOct 10 07:28
DaemonFCI'll have a shop do it because if they fuck up and break one of the plugs, they're the ones that have to figure out how to get it out.Oct 10 07:28
DaemonFCI want to get a coolant flush right away because winter is coming and all the shops have those on special right now.Oct 10 07:29
DaemonFCI could do it myself, but for $45 they can have right at it.Oct 10 07:30
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 07:30
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DaemonFChttp://www.dummies.com/Section/Windows-8.id-811990.htmlOct 10 07:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.dummies.com | Microsoft Windows 8 - For Dummies  [ http://ur1.ca/fv65d ]Oct 10 07:35
MinceRthey left an 'is' out thereOct 10 07:41
DaemonFCMinceR, I had my mom ask if she should take her car to Walmart's oil change place.Oct 10 07:48
DaemonFCI said "Only if you want an excuse to go new car shopping.".Oct 10 07:48
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 07:48
DaemonFCShe asked me why I said that. I told her "Because I was a manager at Walmart and got to deal with customers that left without oil in the engine, had their drain plug stripped out, had the oil overfilled, had them bill them for an oil change and then not do one....."Oct 10 07:49
DaemonFCI remember one day when someone brought their BMW (to Walmart!) and had it fall off the lift.Oct 10 07:50
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 07:50
DaemonFChttp://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/off-topic-discussion/how-does-walmart-make-money-on-a-20-oil-change/18504/page1/Oct 10 07:53
TechrightsBot-trgrassrootsmotorsports.com | How does walmart make money on a $20 oil change?: Off-Topic Discussion forum:  Grassroots Motorsports Magazine  [ http://ur1.ca/fv687 ]Oct 10 07:53
DaemonFC"cheap oil, cheaper filter, and minimum wage...FTW "Oct 10 07:54
DaemonFCLOLOct 10 07:54
DaemonFC"will any of these places (that charge so little) use the oil you specify"Oct 10 07:55
DaemonFCWalmart will, but they charge the shelf price of the oil * number of quarts + an extra $2Oct 10 07:56
DaemonFCPeople who are picky about motor oil brands have...issues.Oct 10 07:56
DaemonFCI've gotten cars up to nearly 300,000 miles using nothing but bulk/off brand motor oils.Oct 10 07:57
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DaemonFCIt's just not that big of a deal as long as it complies with the relevant standards and you actually change it on time.Oct 10 07:57
DaemonFCThey get people on the hook with "high mileage" and "full synthetic" oils.Oct 10 07:57
DaemonFCbut unless you're driving a sports car that calls for it, you're just wasting moneyOct 10 07:58
DaemonFCI've torn down engines, and the biggest difference was not brand of oil, it was whether it got changed on time.Oct 10 07:58
DaemonFC3,000 miles is a good interval the "or 3 months" part is so they can sell you more oil changes.Oct 10 08:00
DaemonFCIt should be 3,000 miles or 9 months if you ask meOct 10 08:00
DaemonFCunless you do a lot of stop and go or idling.Oct 10 08:00
DaemonFCSome of the filthiest engines are the ones where people do use full synthetic and actually believe that 15,000 mile marketing crapOct 10 08:01
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DaemonFCI don't do Walmart oil changes, ever. Even on my 20 year old rusted out shitpile.Oct 10 08:05
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DaemonFCI don't even trust them with that.Oct 10 08:05
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schestowitz_bed2Got a reply regarding Linux Devices:Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2> hi Roy,Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2> They supposedly are coming up with some sort of agreement for making itOct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2> available. I was told 2 weeks ago that their legal group was processing it.Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2> I'll ping them again tomorrow, and perhaps should mention that "the freeOct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2> software bloggers are getting restless," eh?Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2> -RickOct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2One way or another, the good articles should be made available for history to be preserved. I linked to thousands articles like these and if they're indexed by Google, then I can at least locate them by title/body strings. When there is no written record of past events, they can be denied and history can be rewritten by opportunists (or victors who brush out their victims out of existence, even out of memory). Evidence helps Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2refute a liar even hundreds of years after an event, so bad actions cannot be embellished and good actions or progress can be demonstrated. Yesterday I cited Linux Gizmos about 20 times, noting that Linux (sometimes GNU also) now dominates in devices (Android helps this and ARM facilitates this also). Linux Devices used to have some showcases that several years ago made a largely-maligned platform seem like the rising force which Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2is now somewhat of a de facto standard. Whether this helps digital liberation of some kind of not may not matter much; the matter of fact is, those who advocated Linux for devices won the argument, and their work that accompanied this important trend should be made accessible for all to view retroactively. Imagine what the world would be like if billions of embedded devices ran an underlying platform that's purely proprietary, Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2possibly back-doored, not open to outside contribution, monopolised by one company/board of directors etc. I guess we can never know because we now safely assume that kernel.org is what gets funnelled into a lot of chipsets. It impacts behaviour of programs (e.g. over users). I believe that there is a lot more to software than just code and when code is embedded or made immutable we just have to assume yet more power to the Oct 09 00:33
schestowitz_bed2developer/s over users. This power is abused more often than people realise, the NSA leaks for instance have shown.Oct 09 00:33
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MinceRgeekingsOct 09 04:40
iophkhttp://opensource.com/business/13/10/interview-chris-dibonaOct 09 04:52
TechrightsBot-tropensource.com | Interview with Chris DiBona of Google | opensource.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fuzul ]Oct 09 04:52
iophkhttp://www.itworld.com/open-source/377696/why-did-nvidia-cripple-its-linux-driverOct 09 04:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.itworld.com | Why did Nvidia cripple its Linux driver?  | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fuzuo ]Oct 09 04:52
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/387862571766013953 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/387863131705581570 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/387863357463609344 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/387863391378751488Oct 09 04:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Noam Chomsky | On Shutdown, Waning US Influence, Syrian Showdown  http://t.co/DiDWi00w1l #syria #chomskyOct 09 04:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> truth-out.org | Noam Chomsky | On Shutdown, Waning US Influence, Syrian ShowdownOct 09 04:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bangladesh garment factory fire kills at least 10 people  http://t.co/D8SjBL4Fhi the cost of low-cost clothingOct 09 04:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.cbc.ca | Bangladesh garment factory fire kills at least 10 people - World - CBC NewsOct 09 04:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: US/UK spy chiefs cover up NSA surveillance scandal http://t.co/dkH7oHqSTb #nsa #uk #us #surveillance #collusion #hogwashOct 09 04:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> anniemachon.ch | US/UK spy chiefs cover up NSA surveillance scandal - Using Our IntelligenceOct 09 04:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Standing out from the crowd http://t.co/d2ykTSMMtiOct 09 04:54
schestowitz_bed2iophk: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/387864036068827136Oct 09 04:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Open source is brutal: an interview with Google's Chris DiBona  http://t.co/o7zjvIr7qp #google #dibona #freedomOct 09 04:56
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/387863761706835968Oct 09 04:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Why did #Nvidia cripple its #Linux driver?  http://t.co/8SbfoqHQSq #windowsOct 09 04:57
schestowitz_bed2off to london till tomorrow night, meeting the authorities in London re DrupalOct 09 04:57
schestowitz_bed2bblOct 09 04:57
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MinceR"The free software world responded to Apple - but not exactly as Stallman wanted. Google came up with Android"Oct 09 04:58
MinceRwow, so many lies in a bit of a statementOct 09 04:58
MinceRof course, this is to be expected of idgOct 09 04:59
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DaemonFC`http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/07/can-the-business-establishment-win-back-the-gop/Oct 09 09:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Can business take the Republican Party back from the Tea Party?  [ http://ur1.ca/fv0vg ]Oct 09 09:21
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DaemonFCI hate it when that happens.Oct 09 09:22
DaemonFCI made plans to meet the guy that owns that 1996 Crown Victoria today.Oct 09 09:26
DaemonFCIf it's as good as he says it is, then I'll buy it.Oct 09 09:26
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4114028208.htmlOct 09 09:28
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1996 Ford Crown Victoria  [ http://ur1.ca/fuvnb ]Oct 09 09:28
DaemonFCMinceR, Is BMW there as bad as it is in the US?Oct 09 09:28
DaemonFCExpensive, not really reliable, replacement parts cost a fortune.Oct 09 09:29
DaemonFCI had a guy trying to sell me a BMW with 265,000 miles on it for like $4,000 a while back.Oct 09 09:29
DaemonFCI told him I wouldn't pay that much for any car with that mileage.Oct 09 09:29
DaemonFCI drove a Mercedes around once, but it was a 1985 model. :POct 09 09:30
DaemonFCMy mom had a friend whose dad died and she was rich, so she just started giving away anything she didn't want.Oct 09 09:31
DaemonFCSo I got that Mercedes.Oct 09 09:31
MinceRDaemonFC: afaik their cluelessness is globelOct 09 09:31
MinceRs/bel/bal/Oct 09 09:31
MinceRalso it seems that they don't seem to be aware of the fact that humans tend to have feetOct 09 09:31
MinceRbut then german vehicles not allowing for legs seems to be a general issueOct 09 09:32
DaemonFCI noticed that a lot of them have manual transmissions.Oct 09 09:32
DaemonFCI don't know why anyone would want that.Oct 09 09:32
MinceRi wouldn'tOct 09 09:32
DaemonFCYou pay that much for a car, you want it to have an auto.Oct 09 09:32
MinceRbut some people like to do extra workOct 09 09:32
DaemonFCMinceR, Chrysler had a hybrid transmission for a while.Oct 09 09:32
DaemonFCI think some PT Cruisers have them.Oct 09 09:32
MinceRrobotized manual?Oct 09 09:33
MinceRthose are crap, afaikOct 09 09:33
DaemonFCIt's a manual transmission but you don't have to press down on a clutch pedal when you go to shift.Oct 09 09:33
MinceRespecially if your engine is turbochargedOct 09 09:33
DaemonFCI think they called it an autostick.Oct 09 09:33
MinceRa real automatic transmission would avoid losing chargeOct 09 09:33
DaemonFCI was like "Why would anyone want that?Oct 09 09:33
MinceRhere most cars have manual transmissionOct 09 09:33
MinceRit's a good thing that i learned how to use themOct 09 09:33
DaemonFCI never learned how to drive one.Oct 09 09:34
MinceRbut if it was up to me, i'd get an automaticOct 09 09:34
DaemonFCA company I used to work for sponsored me for a Class B CDL license.Oct 09 09:34
DaemonFCBut the truck they had me driving was an auto.Oct 09 09:35
DaemonFCIt's like parallel parking. I've done that once.Oct 09 09:35
MinceRwhich is parallel parking? parking parallel to the road?Oct 09 09:35
DaemonFCYou had to show the driving instructor that you could do it, so I did, and right when I was parked, this woman in an SUV pulled in an inch behind me.Oct 09 09:36
MinceRi've done that many timesOct 09 09:36
DaemonFCSo I rolled down the window and asked her to back up.Oct 09 09:36
DaemonFC:POct 09 09:36
MinceRparking, not pulling in an inch behind someoneOct 09 09:36
MinceRthat's what my asshole neighbors doOct 09 09:36
DaemonFCWe were trapped. I couldn't get the car out of the parking spot.Oct 09 09:36
DaemonFCThat's one reason I don't do that.Oct 09 09:36
DaemonFCPeople pull in and box you in.Oct 09 09:36
MinceRindeedOct 09 09:36
MinceRbut in hungary, you don't get a lot of choice in parking slotsOct 09 09:37
MinceRapparently these people believe that people just take their cars home in their pockets or something.Oct 09 09:37
DaemonFCI couldn't imagine trying to parallel park a full size sedan like that Crown Vic.Oct 09 09:37
MinceRi can see thatOct 09 09:37
DaemonFCThat would be a nightmare.Oct 09 09:37
MinceRit's a pain enough with my CarinaOct 09 09:37
DaemonFCThe parking spots here are built for midsize sedans.Oct 09 09:37
MinceR:)Oct 09 09:37
DaemonFCI got the guy down to $2,200.Oct 09 09:38
DaemonFCHe seemed hesitant, but I said "A stack of $20s." and then he said "Yeah, I can do that."Oct 09 09:38
DaemonFCIt's a bad economy. Used car prices have gone nuts, but some people just really need money right now.Oct 09 09:39
DaemonFCSo you can gain the upperhand in a negotiation, even today.Oct 09 09:39
DaemonFCMinceR, If this car was on a dealer's lot, they'd price it at about $3200-$3400.Oct 09 09:40
DaemonFCThat's why you don't buy used cars from a dealer, as a general rule.Oct 09 09:40
DaemonFCYou'll always end up on the higher end of the price range for what you're looking at.Oct 09 09:40
DaemonFCThe salesman wants his commission, and they have to build their costs of doing business into the vehicles.Oct 09 09:41
DaemonFCSo take whatever the car is worth private sale, and add 30-40%.Oct 09 09:41
DaemonFCI asked one of those dealers what the "dealer reconditioning fee" of $120 was for.Oct 09 09:41
DaemonFCHe told me they gave it an oil change and washed it.Oct 09 09:41
DaemonFCI told him "Oil change at Walmart: $26. Full service car wash: $10."Oct 09 09:42
DaemonFCBut that's how dealers do you. You get raped.Oct 09 09:42
DaemonFCWhen I get back in town with that car, I'm going to take it through the full service wash.Oct 09 09:42
DaemonFCThen I'm going to have them wax it too.Oct 09 09:43
DaemonFCI thought that back bumper was scuffed, but the guy tells me it's just dirt.Oct 09 09:43
DaemonFC:POct 09 09:43
DaemonFCNot that I wouldn't buy it either way. It's an old car for $2,200, you can't expect perfect.Oct 09 09:43
DaemonFCThe car I have now, both bumpers are broken, and there's rust eating into my rear passenger side quarter panel.Oct 09 09:45
DaemonFCThe car was having electrical problems and the dealer wanted too much to fix them, so I yanked a fuse, and now I have no radio or dome lights.Oct 09 09:45
DaemonFCThe interior is in rough shape.Oct 09 09:45
DaemonFCSomeone broke into my car and tried hotwiring it.Oct 09 09:45
DaemonFCSo the driver door latch is broken.Oct 09 09:46
DaemonFCThey got mad when they failed to hotwire it, and took a knife to some of the upholstery, then stole my CD collection and left.Oct 09 09:46
DaemonFCfuckersOct 09 09:46
DaemonFCThey're so glad I didn't see them doing that or they'd be dead.Oct 09 09:46
DaemonFCSeriously. I would have shot them.Oct 09 09:47
DaemonFCMinceR, My uncle had his house broken into. I told him "They wouldn't need to worry about the police if it was my house. That's what the second amendment is good for."Oct 09 09:47
DaemonFCMinceR, I was in Indianapolis back in 2002, and I was driving through the downtown area at night.Oct 09 09:48
DaemonFCWith my windows down.Oct 09 09:48
DaemonFCAll of a sudden, someone reached in with a knife and tried to carjack me.Oct 09 09:49
DaemonFCSo I hit the "auto-up" button for the window and got their arm caught in it.Oct 09 09:49
DaemonFCThey dropped the knife onto the floor of my car.Oct 09 09:49
DaemonFCI punched the accelerator and dragged them about a block and then rolled down the window.Oct 09 09:49
DaemonFC:POct 09 09:49
DaemonFCI still have their knife.Oct 09 09:50
DaemonFCParts of Fort Wayne have gotten that bad.Oct 09 09:51
DaemonFCMy line of thinking is that if you're in the middle of committing a crime against someone, you're kind of doing it at your own risk.Oct 09 09:52
MinceR:)Oct 09 09:53
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Modular_engine#4.6.C2.A0LOct 09 09:54
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Ford Modular engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fv10g ]Oct 09 09:54
DaemonFCThe ones build in Michigan are usually alright.Oct 09 09:54
DaemonFCThe ones built in Canada might not be.Oct 09 09:54
DaemonFCThe ones built in Canada before 2003, you don't want.Oct 09 09:55
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B4CNpWSenMOct 09 09:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Cash for clunkers victims compilation - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv10m ]Oct 09 09:56
DaemonFCThey crushed some Crown Vics in Cash For Clunkers.Oct 09 09:56
DaemonFCThat program was just terrible.Oct 09 09:56
DaemonFCEveryone that voted for it needs to be thrown out.Oct 09 09:57
DaemonFC mike maloney 10 months agoOct 09 09:57
DaemonFCfuck the government why dont they crush obamas limos with him inside.Oct 09 09:57
DaemonFCLOLOct 09 09:57
DaemonFCObama has one of those armor plated Cadillacs.Oct 09 09:57
DaemonFCGets about 6 miles per gallon.Oct 09 09:57
DaemonFCWhenever he goes somewhere, he has an entire motorcade complete with cops in those big gas guzzler cop cars.Oct 09 09:58
DaemonFChe holds up traffic for milesOct 09 09:58
DaemonFCThey shut down highways and interstates and cause traffic jams.Oct 09 09:58
DaemonFCHe's really the last person that should be talking about how we need to get tough one gas mileage.Oct 09 09:59
MinceR:>Oct 09 09:59
MinceRour parasites love to lock roads down, tooOct 09 09:59
DaemonFC"We can't leave the world in worse shape for our children!"Oct 09 10:02
DaemonFC*Hops into his armor plated Cadillac with police motorcade, and goes to shut down some more roads on his way to make another 5 minute speech*Oct 09 10:03
MinceR"also, i'm your king so get off my road"Oct 09 10:03
DaemonFCExactly.Oct 09 10:03
DaemonFCHe shut down an interstate highway going through the largest city in the United States during rush hour.Oct 09 10:03
DaemonFCTo make a campaign speech.Oct 09 10:04
DaemonFCDo you think he gives a shit?Oct 09 10:04
MinceRobviously notOct 09 10:04
DaemonFChttp://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/327261/Ford%20Crown%20Victoria%201996.jpgOct 09 10:07
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 10:07
DaemonFCI can see why almost nobody ever sells these things in good condition.Oct 09 10:07
DaemonFCIf they're in good shape, they want to hold onto them forever.Oct 09 10:07
DaemonFCMinceR, The funniest part is that George W. Bush had a similar Cadillac that still worked fine.Oct 09 10:10
DaemonFCThey crushed it and bought Obama a brand new one.Oct 09 10:10
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 10:10
MinceRgot to stimulate the economy... :>Oct 09 10:11
DaemonFCBush's was a 2005 model I think.Oct 09 10:11
DaemonFCNo reason to get rid of it.Oct 09 10:11
DaemonFCMinceR, The economy has gotten so bad that well over half of the cars on the road in Indiana are over 10 years old.Oct 09 10:12
DaemonFCCar repair businesses are booming.Oct 09 10:12
DaemonFCPeople are fixing what they've got instead of trading in for a new car every few years.Oct 09 10:13
DaemonFCPeople are figuring out how dumb they've been for doing that.Oct 09 10:14
DaemonFCA good number of 1990s cars are capable of exceeding 300,000 miles if you just take care of them.Oct 09 10:14
DaemonFC:POct 09 10:14
DaemonFCI see them on dealer lots all the time like that.Oct 09 10:14
DaemonFCThey actually try to sell those.Oct 09 10:14
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv4_xjmSGm4Oct 09 10:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Gale Boetticher - Major Tom (Coming Home) - Breaking Bad Full Karaoke Version with lyrics - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv148 ]Oct 09 10:15
DaemonFCLOLOct 09 10:15
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iophkAll the Nobel prizes being awarded to the US for work that was in the pipes for years or decades.  When the desert started by the Bush era hits, we'll probably see the awards going to EU and maybe China.  The damage that is done now will have its worst affects long down the road.Oct 09 10:17
DaemonFCBush propped up the economy in some really reckless and unsustainable ways.Oct 09 10:18
DaemonFCLike the insane military spending, the tax cuts, and letting the housing bubble run its entire course.Oct 09 10:19
iophkOnly parts of the economy.  Other areas like research tanked.Oct 09 10:19
iophkResearch has a big payoff but a long lead time.  Oct 09 10:20
iophkBy the time we feel the drought, it will be a long one.Oct 09 10:20
DaemonFCWith the way the 1990s went in the US, I'm not sure that anyone could have had the entire thing fall apart on them before 2008.Oct 09 10:20
DaemonFCMinceR, I'll pay my sales tax, title, and plate fees with my credit card.Oct 09 10:39
DaemonFCThat way, I get some of it back.Oct 09 10:39
DaemonFCDamned state.Oct 09 10:39
DaemonFCDamned taxes.Oct 09 10:39
DaemonFCOr I could just ask the guy if he'd fill out the bill of sale for a different amount.Oct 09 10:40
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 10:40
MinceR:)Oct 09 10:40
DaemonFCMinceR, That was a $500 car!Oct 09 10:40
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 10:40
DaemonFCCan you believe my luck? :)Oct 09 10:40
MinceRyou mean $1?Oct 09 10:41
DaemonFCWell, if you go too low, some of them choose to get suspicious and calculate the "fair market value" of the car.Oct 09 10:41
DaemonFCThen charge you that.Oct 09 10:41
DaemonFCI've never had the problem before.Oct 09 10:41
DaemonFCAnything beats paying them $150 in tax because you bought property.Oct 09 10:43
MinceR:)Oct 09 10:44
DaemonFCMinceR, Stallman was right.Oct 09 10:46
DaemonFCIf the rich don't pay their tax, why should anyone?Oct 09 10:46
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 10:46
MinceR:)Oct 09 10:49
DaemonFCMinceR, I went ahead and got a "Secure ID" last time I updated my license.Oct 09 10:51
DaemonFCThey're making it difficult to do things without one now.Oct 09 10:51
DaemonFCI went to pull a copy of my birth certificate without one and they wouldn't give me it.Oct 09 10:51
DaemonFCSo I went rummaging through boxes and found the original. While I was at it, I decided to just go ahead and get the new driver's license.Oct 09 10:52
DaemonFChttp://www.in.gov/bmv/2356.htmOct 09 10:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.in.gov | BMV: SecureID Driver's License and ID CardsOct 09 10:52
MinceRdamn, their site is slowOct 09 10:53
MinceRis this RFID?Oct 09 10:53
DaemonFCIt's "REAL ID" compliant.Oct 09 10:54
MinceRand what's that?Oct 09 10:55
DaemonFCEventually you won't be able to get on a plane or enter a federal building without one.Oct 09 10:55
DaemonFCIt's a set of requirements that the federal government imposed on the states.Oct 09 10:55
DaemonFCMakes you prove that you're really you and where you live before you can get one. You have to bring in a mountain of paperwork.Oct 09 10:55
DaemonFCBirth certificate, social security card, an unexpired Indiana driver's license, three bills with your current address on it.Oct 09 10:56
DaemonFCI think I even had to bring a copy of my lease.Oct 09 10:56
DaemonFC:POct 09 10:56
MinceRbut is it RFID? :>Oct 09 10:56
DaemonFCThe cards also have extra "security" features on them.Oct 09 10:56
DaemonFCYeah. It has an RFID chip in it.Oct 09 10:56
DaemonFCAs well as a barcode and magnetic strip on the back.Oct 09 10:56
DaemonFCSo if the RFID chip doesn't work, the cops can slide it or scan it and it will bring up your information on their computer in their police car.Oct 09 10:57
MinceRthey really went for the kitchen sink...Oct 09 10:57
DaemonFCOh yeah.Oct 09 10:57
MinceRi got two "RFID blocking" wallets this weekOct 09 10:57
MinceRthey don't seem to workOct 09 10:57
DaemonFCBars are also required to have them.Oct 09 10:57
MinceRi put my entry card into them and i could read it through the wallet at the doorOct 09 10:58
DaemonFCBefore you can go in, they slide or scan the card, and the state will tell them if you're really old enough to enter.Oct 09 10:58
DaemonFC:POct 09 10:58
DaemonFCIt stops kids from using fake IDs.Oct 09 10:58
DaemonFCI went into a county courthouse last year, and they slid my driver's license and told me that it was alright for me to enter.Oct 09 10:58
DaemonFCI said "Well, it should be, seeing as how I paid for all of this and your salary."Oct 09 10:59
DaemonFCThe guy rolled his eyes at me.Oct 09 10:59
MinceR:>Oct 09 10:59
MinceRdid you catch his eyes? :>Oct 09 10:59
DaemonFC:/Oct 09 10:59
DaemonFCThen the metal detector went off.Oct 09 11:00
DaemonFCThey made me stand there and get patted down.Oct 09 11:00
DaemonFCThen they took a handheld scanner and went over me, and it turned out that what was setting it off was my belt buckle and the rivets in my jeans.Oct 09 11:00
MinceR:>Oct 09 11:00
DaemonFCThey're getting really nasty.Oct 09 11:00
DaemonFC20 years ago, you just walked right in.Oct 09 11:00
MinceRhow dare you wear riveted jeansOct 09 11:00
MinceRand a belt buckle of all things? :>Oct 09 11:00
DaemonFCYeah, I know, right? :)Oct 09 11:01
DaemonFCAre you in possession of anything that could harm another person?Oct 09 11:01
DaemonFCWell, yeah, but so is everyone else.Oct 09 11:01
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 11:01
DaemonFC"No."Oct 09 11:01
DaemonFCNot like you're going to stand there and tell them how stupid that question is.Oct 09 11:02
MinceR"fists, knees, elbows, legs..."Oct 09 11:02
DaemonFCYou can strangle someone with your belt.Oct 09 11:02
DaemonFCor your handsOct 09 11:02
DaemonFCor you can punch themOct 09 11:02
MinceR"i can harm people's feelings using sarcasm"Oct 09 11:02
DaemonFCor you can stab them in the neck with your ballpoint penOct 09 11:02
MinceRor i could use profanityOct 09 11:02
DaemonFCyou could headbutt someoneOct 09 11:02
DaemonFCyou could bite themOct 09 11:03
DaemonFC:POct 09 11:03
MinceRi could step on their footOct 09 11:03
DaemonFCor kick them in the ballsOct 09 11:03
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 11:03
MinceRor tear off their bandages with great force and speedOct 09 11:04
DaemonFCor do like Riddick did, and kill them with your teacupOct 09 11:04
MinceR:)Oct 09 11:04
DaemonFC"I can't quite pinch your carotid arteries shut using the power of my mind, yet, but I'll keep trying."Oct 09 11:06
MinceRi canOct 09 11:07
*DaemonFC needs to get ready to go see that car.Oct 09 11:07
MinceRi just need to funnel the power of my mind through my nerves to my handsOct 09 11:08
DaemonFCI like that color too. It's Ford's Toreador Red.Oct 09 11:08
DaemonFCUnfortunately, red cars stand out more, so they get pulled over more.Oct 09 11:08
DaemonFCI do have a radar detector though.Oct 09 11:08
DaemonFCI haven't gotten a speeding ticket since I bought it.Oct 09 11:08
DaemonFCI've had it since like 2002.Oct 09 11:09
DaemonFCI got pulled over like three times in the course of 6 months, and kept getting warnings.Oct 09 11:09
DaemonFCI decided a radar detector would be a good investment.Oct 09 11:09
DaemonFCIf they save you from one ticket, they've already more than paid for themselves.Oct 09 11:09
DaemonFCThe minimum fine for speeding in Indiana now is over $150.Oct 09 11:09
DaemonFCIf you're going 10 miles per hour over the posted limit in a construction or school zone, they can fine you up to $1,000.Oct 09 11:10
MinceRi just read the police web site about where they're measuringOct 09 11:10
MinceRand tend to drive legally anywayOct 09 11:10
DaemonFCIf you're going 15 miles an hour over, they can give you the $150 ticket, plus a $500 reckless driving ticket, plus 4 points on your license.Oct 09 11:10
DaemonFCand if it's in a school or construction zone, each fine can be multiplied by four and they can take away your license for a year.Oct 09 11:11
DaemonFCthen you have to go to a remedial driving class at your expense, and pass it, before you can get your license backOct 09 11:11
DaemonFCthen they make you carry an SR-22 for the next several years, which makes your insurance about triple what it used to beOct 09 11:12
DaemonFCouchOct 09 11:12
MinceRwhat's an SR-22?Oct 09 11:12
DaemonFCAn SR-22 is a form from your insurance company that is proof of financial responsibility under a high risk car insurance policyOct 09 11:13
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 11:13
DaemonFCThey usually make people carry them if they've had a DUI or too many speeding tickets.Oct 09 11:13
DaemonFCDawn had to carry one.Oct 09 11:13
MinceRicOct 09 11:13
DaemonFCShe was paying $120 a month for state minimum car insurance.Oct 09 11:13
DaemonFCI pay $24 a month for the same coverage.Oct 09 11:13
DaemonFCThey consider me low risk.Oct 09 11:14
DaemonFCThey don't know me very well.Oct 09 11:14
DaemonFCIf they saw what I've done to that poor Taurus, they wouldn't be charging me $24.Oct 09 11:14
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 11:14
MinceR:)Oct 09 11:15
DaemonFCAlthough to be perfectly fair, the back bumper was destroyed because I hit black ice.Oct 09 11:15
DaemonFCand the front bumper was from when my brakes failed and I hit a building.Oct 09 11:15
DaemonFCBut nobody saw that, so I was OK, other than the broken bumper.Oct 09 11:15
DaemonFC:POct 09 11:15
DaemonFCI had just had the brakes inspected too.Oct 09 11:16
DaemonFCThey told me there was nothing wrong with them.Oct 09 11:16
DaemonFCWell, other than the ABS master control that I never bothered to fix.Oct 09 11:16
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 11:16
DaemonFCI think I'm just going to sell that electric bicycle.Oct 09 11:17
DaemonFCThe cost for the batteries has tripled since I bought it.Oct 09 11:19
DaemonFCI need two replacements and I don't feel like spending $600 on that.Oct 09 11:19
DaemonFC:POct 09 11:19
DaemonFCThe whole reason I got it was because I figured I could save some gas on short trips around town.Oct 09 11:19
DaemonFCand still be lazy and not like, you know, peddle or anythingOct 09 11:19
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 11:19
MinceRso, what happened?Oct 09 11:23
DaemonFCThe sealed lead acid batteries are junk.Oct 09 11:24
DaemonFCThe lithium ion ones are over $300 each.Oct 09 11:24
DaemonFChttp://imagescdn.dealercarsearch.com/Media/6003/3391728/635127451381384468.jpgOct 09 11:24
DaemonFChmmmOct 09 11:24
DaemonFCThat one is in Ohio.Oct 09 11:24
*DaemonFC doesn't feel like driving to Ohio to buy a car though.Oct 09 11:24
DaemonFCToo much paperwork.Oct 09 11:24
MinceRjunk as in too low capacity?Oct 09 11:25
MinceRor too heavy?Oct 09 11:25
MinceRor dead?Oct 09 11:26
DaemonFCtoo heavy and they don't last through too many charge cycles.Oct 09 11:26
MinceRi'm surprised by the secondOct 09 11:26
MinceRit seems to work well enough in cars :)Oct 09 11:26
DaemonFCThey say they last about 500 cycles. but I had one die already after less than 100 and the other one is only charging to about halfOct 09 11:26
DaemonFCMinceR, I offered the guy $2,100, but he talked me up to $2,200.Oct 09 11:35
DaemonFCHe pointed out that he just put four brand new Michelin tires on it last year.Oct 09 11:35
DaemonFCYeah, that's reasonable I guess.Oct 09 11:36
DaemonFCThose probably set him back at least $600Oct 09 11:36
DaemonFCmaybe more.Oct 09 11:36
DaemonFCdepends on the tire modelOct 09 11:36
DaemonFCI'm going to ask him to transfer over the tire warranty to me.Oct 09 11:36
DaemonFCThose suckers are expensive to replace.Oct 09 11:37
DaemonFCI always got the cheapest set of Goodyear tires for the Taurus.Oct 09 11:37
DaemonFCSeems like I always run over a nail or something while the tire is still good.Oct 09 11:37
DaemonFCI don't really like the idea of getting the best set of tires and then running over a nail with those.Oct 09 11:38
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 11:38
DaemonFCGoodyear has "fuel saver" tires now that they claim will increase your gas mileage by about 3%.Oct 09 11:38
DaemonFCIndependent tests show no change in fuel economy though.Oct 09 11:38
DaemonFCMarketing bullshit.Oct 09 11:38
DaemonFCHelps justify the added expense of the tires.Oct 09 11:39
DaemonFCohhhOct 09 11:41
DaemonFCgood timingOct 09 11:41
DaemonFCfree 6" Elmo's Italian sub.Oct 09 11:41
DaemonFCI have to go buy Elmo's anyway on my way up to look at that car.Oct 09 11:41
DaemonFCMight as well stop and get lunch.Oct 09 11:41
DaemonFCTime to head on up there.Oct 09 11:44
DaemonFCFirst one there with the cash gets the car.Oct 09 11:44
DaemonFCGuy said he'd be back home at 1, so I have to get there.Oct 09 11:44
DaemonFC:POct 09 11:44
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iophkWhy not lazarus if pascal is required ? http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/Oct 09 14:08
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DaemonFCWe have a winner.Oct 09 15:21
DaemonFCThe 1996 Ford Crown Victoria LX.Oct 09 15:21
DaemonFCThat thing is in awesome shape.Oct 09 15:21
DaemonFCThe guy said he could drive it over here tomorrow and we could do the sale at the DMV offive here in town.Oct 09 15:22
DaemonFC*officeOct 09 15:22
MinceR:)Oct 09 15:22
MinceRhow much?Oct 09 15:22
DaemonFC$2,200Oct 09 15:22
DaemonFCIt's got power everything and 94,600 miles on the odometer.Oct 09 15:22
MinceR:)Oct 09 15:22
DaemonFCNo rust at all.,Oct 09 15:22
DaemonFCMinceR, Other than a few small scratches that I can buff out, it looks like it came off the lot yesterday.Oct 09 15:23
DaemonFCThat's an incredible deal.Oct 09 15:23
DaemonFCThey wanted $2,500 up at City Auto Mall for that 2004 Crown Vic that someone beat to hell and back, and it had 130,000 miles on it.Oct 09 15:24
DaemonFCAnd it was missing a chunk out of the front grill.Oct 09 15:24
DaemonFCand the transmission wasn't looking too goodOct 09 15:24
DaemonFCand there was an exhaust leakOct 09 15:25
DaemonFCand one of the ABS sensors was shotOct 09 15:25
DaemonFCand the blend door motor was going to need replacedOct 09 15:25
DaemonFCand the list just went on and onOct 09 15:25
DaemonFCThis 1996 model is not only cheaper, there's less miles on it and it's just in all around better shape.Oct 09 15:26
DaemonFCThat's the difference between an owner that maintains their car and one that just lets it go.Oct 09 15:26
DaemonFCMinceR, And it has a brand new set of Michelin tires on it.Oct 09 15:27
DaemonFCHis mom just put them on last winter.Oct 09 15:27
DaemonFCThey have pretty much all the tread left.Oct 09 15:27
DaemonFCand he said she only used Premium gasoline (even though the car doesn't need that)Oct 09 15:27
DaemonFCshe kept it in the garageOct 09 15:27
DaemonFCIt's worth more than I'm getting it for, I think the guy just needs the money right now and he's letting it go for less because I have cash in hand.Oct 09 15:28
DaemonFCIf he wanted to wait for a while, he'd probably find someone that would pay $3,000 for it.Oct 09 15:28
DaemonFCMinceR, The only interior problems that I discovered were minor ones.Oct 09 15:29
DaemonFCThe radio won't turn off, but you can turn the volume all the way down.Oct 09 15:29
DaemonFCand the rear driver's side door lock had a cap that his kid unscrewed and lostOct 09 15:29
DaemonFCI can probably get a replacement cap for a couple dollars, and I'm going to replace the radio deck with one that has a CD player anyway. :)Oct 09 15:30
DaemonFCSo, his mother only put an average of 5,255 miles on it each year.Oct 09 15:31
DaemonFCThat's an extremely low mileage.Oct 09 15:31
DaemonFCI see '07s and '08s with 150,000+ on them.Oct 09 15:31
DaemonFCall the timeOct 09 15:31
DaemonFCpeople drive further to work than they used toOct 09 15:31
DaemonFCThe economy is so bad now that driving 30 miles or more to work is common.Oct 09 15:32
DaemonFCMy mom's Impala has about 275,000 on it, and it's an '03Oct 09 15:32
DaemonFCI only put like two or three thousand miles on my car every year.Oct 09 15:33
DaemonFCI just want a nicer car.Oct 09 15:33
DaemonFCThe Taurus is literally rotting.Oct 09 15:33
DaemonFCI looked underneath the car today and I kind of wish I hadn't.Oct 09 15:33
DaemonFCIt's that bad.Oct 09 15:33
DaemonFCMinceR, That's exactly what I was looking for. A late model grandma car that was garaged, maintained, and driven to the grocery store and church and back into the garage.Oct 09 15:34
DaemonFCYou find those every so often. Where the car is like 20 years old, but low mileage and great shape.Oct 09 15:34
MinceRi thought short trips didn't do good to carsOct 09 15:34
DaemonFCI'm not worried about this car.Oct 09 15:34
DaemonFCThose Ford 4.6 liter modular V8s can take some serious punishment.Oct 09 15:35
DaemonFCThe police departments run them 24 hours a day and put 150,000 miles of chasing speeders and running over sidewalks and shit on them.Oct 09 15:35
DaemonFCand when they get rid of them, they still run.Oct 09 15:35
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 15:35
DaemonFCThat's why taxi companies buy them.Oct 09 15:36
*DaemonFC needs to get better car insurance now.Oct 09 15:36
DaemonFCI'm going to do comprehensive and collision and double my liability coverage.Oct 09 15:36
DaemonFCYou just know that with my luck, the retards that the city has plowing the roads will run into it.Oct 09 15:37
DaemonFCOr a tree will fall over on it.Oct 09 15:37
DaemonFC:POct 09 15:37
DaemonFCAt this point, I just have minimum coverage on the Taurus because I don't give a shit about it.Oct 09 15:37
DaemonFCIf a tree fell over on it, the insurance company might cut me a check for $900, and I've saved more than that by having minimum coverage since I've owned it.Oct 09 15:38
DaemonFCbut with this Crown Vic, they'd go NADA black book and probably give me $3500-4000 if it was totaled.Oct 09 15:38
DaemonFCSo it's worth buying more coverage.Oct 09 15:39
DaemonFCThat Taurus is in such bad shape, I'm surprised I haven't put my foot through the floor yet.Oct 09 15:39
DaemonFCThe owner before me lived in Michigan where they get REALLY harsh winters.Oct 09 15:40
DaemonFCand it's obvious that he never bothered to wash the undercarriageOct 09 15:40
DaemonFCI think it's cumulative road salt damage.Oct 09 15:40
DaemonFCThere's no reversing it.Oct 09 15:40
iophksalt quotasOct 09 15:40
DaemonFCThis dude with the Crown Vic said his mom lived in Florida until a few years ago.Oct 09 15:40
DaemonFCSo it's never really been around any Indiana winters.Oct 09 15:41
DaemonFCiophk, Yeah.Oct 09 15:41
DaemonFCThe city waits for a fucking blizzard and then shows up and salts at......4 PM, when the sun has already came out and melted most of it off anyway.Oct 09 15:41
MinceRthey could make the government obey the same rules they force on citizensOct 09 15:41
DaemonFCand then taxpayers have to pay them $15 an hourOct 09 15:41
iophkgotta salt the roads during the winter even if it is only rainingOct 09 15:41
DaemonFCfor ruining their carsOct 09 15:42
MinceR(no salt, only a more expensive but safer stuff)Oct 09 15:42
MinceR(not sure what it's made of)Oct 09 15:42
DaemonFC<MinceR> they could make the government obey the same rules they force on citizensOct 09 15:42
DaemonFCHah.Oct 09 15:42
DaemonFCHAHAHA!!!Oct 09 15:42
MinceR:>Oct 09 15:42
DaemonFCBWAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!Oct 09 15:42
DaemonFCthat's a knee slapperOct 09 15:42
MinceRi know, it's called 'rule of law'Oct 09 15:42
MinceRhungarians don't know about itOct 09 15:42
DaemonFCThe goa'uld probably have better government than Indiana's.Oct 09 15:42
DaemonFCMinceR, We have laws, they just get selectively enforced.Oct 09 15:43
DaemonFCand when they get enforced, they get enforced on some people more than othersOct 09 15:43
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 15:43
DaemonFCIt's like when Winston Smith realized that nothing was illegal because there were no longer any laws.Oct 09 15:44
MinceRsame hereOct 09 15:44
DaemonFCThey do whatever they want, to whoever they want, whenever they want to do it.Oct 09 15:44
MinceRexcept for Winston SmithOct 09 15:44
MinceReverything is illegalOct 09 15:44
MinceRin a modern dictatorshipOct 09 15:44
MinceRso they can lawfully have the police take anyone away if they want toOct 09 15:45
DaemonFCMinceR, Did you know that oral sex is a felony in Indiana?Oct 09 15:45
DaemonFCHasn't been enforced since the 1960s.Oct 09 15:45
MinceRi didn't knowOct 09 15:45
DaemonFCHasn't been enforceable since 2003.Oct 09 15:45
DaemonFCbut they keep it on the booksOct 09 15:45
DaemonFCIt's a way of shaming people without really being able to do anything about it at all.Oct 09 15:45
DaemonFCand then you find out that the Indiana General Assembly members are paying 18 year old male prostitutes they met off of Craigslist.Oct 09 15:46
MinceRwell, the hypocrite cultists would get their panties in a bunch if people wanted to take it off the booksOct 09 15:46
DaemonFCYeah, there's people I want moral advice from.Oct 09 15:46
DaemonFC"Suck my dick and I'll give you an ipad!"Oct 09 15:46
DaemonFCseriouslyOct 09 15:46
DaemonFCThat's who makes our laws.Oct 09 15:46
MinceR(because only priests are allowed to get blowjobs, preferably from little boys)Oct 09 15:46
DaemonFCI don't think there's anything I need to learn from them.Oct 09 15:47
DaemonFCI don't think that it's an institution that deserves respect.Oct 09 15:47
DaemonFCIt's hypocritical and they need to be ridiculed at every possible opportunity.Oct 09 15:47
DaemonFCMinceR, Did you hear what Indiana's General Assembly did last week?Oct 09 15:48
DaemonFCThey raised the tolls on the Indiana toll road (the one that goes to Chicago) and then passed another law that says that they get to use that road for free, whenever they want.Oct 09 15:48
MinceR:>Oct 09 15:49
MinceRhttp://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/22344000/ngbbs4d35e657e7635.jpgOct 09 15:50
DaemonFCThey dipped into the state's general fund to install a system that scans for devices they had installed in their personal vehicles.Oct 09 15:50
DaemonFCand it automatically waves the toll for them and raises the gate!!!Oct 09 15:50
DaemonFCand we're paying for this!Oct 09 15:50
DaemonFCI mean, I could understand installing those devices into state-owned vehicles for cops and stuff.Oct 09 15:51
DaemonFCas long as they were on official state business when they used the roadOct 09 15:51
DaemonFCSeveral state senators (all Democrats) refused the devices and said it wasn't fair for them to not pay the same toll that everyone else did.Oct 09 15:51
DaemonFCThose are the people that need re-elected.Oct 09 15:52
DaemonFCProbably one out of every ten that's in there.Oct 09 15:52
DaemonFCthey've really let that road go too.Oct 09 15:52
DaemonFCIt used to be the best road in Indiana.Oct 09 15:52
DaemonFCThey repaved it about every year.Oct 09 15:52
DaemonFCNow it's full of potholes.Oct 09 15:53
DaemonFCI saw one that was so big that it could probably break an axle the last time I drove on that road.Oct 09 15:53
DaemonFCThey have the money to fix it. The road generates alot of revenue, but they don't fix it.Oct 09 15:53
DaemonFCThat all started when they privatized it.Oct 09 15:53
DaemonFCMinceR, The suspension in that Crown Vic is awesome.Oct 09 15:58
DaemonFCCouldn't feel a single bump in the road.Oct 09 15:58
DaemonFCMy Taurus is so bad right now that when you get it up to 65, it feels like the car is going to shake itself apart. :POct 09 15:58
MinceR:)Oct 09 15:59
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MinceRsounds like you might be better off with an SUV after all :>Oct 09 15:59
DaemonFCThe guy says it handles very well on the snow. I said I believe him because it's enormous and heavy.Oct 09 15:59
DaemonFCWell, you should see the trunk on that Vic.Oct 09 15:59
DaemonFCI'm 6'4 and about 170 pounds.Oct 09 15:59
DaemonFCI actually got into the trunk.Oct 09 16:00
DaemonFCThere was probably room for three of me in there.Oct 09 16:00
DaemonFCIt's the perfect car to have if a friend needs you to dispose of some bodies.Oct 09 16:00
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 16:01
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MinceR:)Oct 09 16:01
DaemonFCMinceR, I've found my car.Oct 09 16:01
MinceR"dude, where's my car?"Oct 09 16:01
DaemonFCI was leaning towards maybe getting an SUV or a minivan, but this Crown Vic is just so awesome.Oct 09 16:02
DaemonFCPlus all the used vans I came across were in really bad shape.Oct 09 16:02
DaemonFCIf you find a used van for under $4,000, it's either rusted out or has 200,000 miles on it.Oct 09 16:02
DaemonFCSo if I went for a van, I would have needed about $5,000 instead of $2,200.Oct 09 16:02
DaemonFC:POct 09 16:02
DaemonFCI'm sick of scrimping and saving. I'm not going to find a better car than this unless I save up like $6,000 or more, probably.Oct 09 16:03
DaemonFCI don't feel like being miserable and going without for another year.Oct 09 16:03
MinceRhttp://pics.nase-bohren.de/visited-washington.jpgOct 09 16:04
DaemonFCThe car to price ratio on this is just about as good as it gets.Oct 09 16:04
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DaemonFCWell, we both came out with a good deal.Oct 09 16:04
DaemonFCI get a totally badass car, and he gets a big stack of $20 bills.Oct 09 16:04
DaemonFCYou can get a much better deal with a private sale than a dealer.Oct 09 16:05
DaemonFCIf this car was at a dealer lot, it would be about $3,400 and then they'd stick you with a $120 "documentation fee".Oct 09 16:06
DaemonFCThey use those fees so that they can sneak in another $120 at the end of the sale.Oct 09 16:06
DaemonFCMakes the cars look a little cheaper than they actually are.Oct 09 16:06
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DaemonFCMinceR, There was a car dealership that my parents bought a couple of new vehicles from in the 90s.Oct 09 16:07
DaemonFCThey had a commercial "If you buy this stuffed bear at our price, you get the vehicle at no additional charge".Oct 09 16:07
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 16:07
DaemonFCI guess it was supposed to be funny, but it was too close to the truth.Oct 09 16:07
DaemonFCThe dealers make you pay all kinds of stupid fees so they can price the cars lower.Oct 09 16:08
DaemonFCYou're really in for a raping if you buy new.Oct 09 16:08
DaemonFCNot only does the vehicle lose 20% of the value right after you drive it off the lot, but they cram in that $120 documentation fee, *and* a $300 fee for driving it from the factory to their lot.Oct 09 16:09
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 16:09
DaemonFCDon't they kind of have to do that anyway?Oct 09 16:09
DaemonFCIsn't it just a cost of doing business? :DOct 09 16:09
DaemonFCThey also have this thing called "Invoice pricing" where they say that there is no markup, you're buying it for what they got it for from the factory.Oct 09 16:10
DaemonFCSo you say "that makes no sense at all".Oct 09 16:10
DaemonFCIt does.Oct 09 16:10
DaemonFCThey sell you the vehicle at invoice, and then the company that made the car gives them a 20% "rebate".Oct 09 16:11
DaemonFCThe new car market is the worst it's ever been.Oct 09 16:11
DaemonFCA new Ford Taurus for the 2014 model is $43,000 now.Oct 09 16:11
DaemonFCThen since nobody can actually cough up $43,000, they finance it at high interest.Oct 09 16:12
DaemonFCSo you really pay like $60,000 when you're done.Oct 09 16:12
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DaemonFCThat sub that I got on the way back was delicious.Oct 09 16:13
DaemonFCI looking into the batch of coupons that came in the junk mail today and I found one for a free toasted italian sub at Elmo's.Oct 09 16:13
DaemonFCSo I took some potato chips with me and bought a fountain pop for a dollar.Oct 09 16:14
DaemonFCThis is turning into a really good day.Oct 09 16:14
DaemonFCIt's like everything is just going right.Oct 09 16:14
DaemonFCWhy not?Oct 09 16:15
*DaemonFC turns up the subwoofer.Oct 09 16:15
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6MOct 09 16:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Kool & The Gang - Celebration - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv34n ]Oct 09 16:15
*MinceR is listening to: Sonata Arctica - Reckoning Night - 2. Blinded No MoreOct 09 16:16
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pm4fQRl72kOct 09 16:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Queen - I Want It All - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv35z ]Oct 09 16:20
DaemonFCThere we go. :)Oct 09 16:20
DaemonFCI might swing by Ziebart and have them detail that car.Oct 09 16:21
DaemonFChttp://www.ziebart.com/ziebart---home/auto-detailing/scratch-scuff-repairOct 09 16:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.ziebart.com | Scratch - Scuff Repair  [ http://ur1.ca/fv36m ]Oct 09 16:23
DaemonFCOh cool.Oct 09 16:23
DaemonFCI might have them do that too.Oct 09 16:23
DaemonFCThere were a few nicks and scratches here and there.Oct 09 16:23
DaemonFCYeah. I'm going to get those taken care of now before they start rusting. :)Oct 09 16:23
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gVfxhPvxkOct 09 16:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | I Can't Break Away by Big Pig - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv37q ]Oct 09 16:26
DaemonFCMinceR, Party on dude!Oct 09 16:26
DaemonFCBe excellent to each other!Oct 09 16:26
DaemonFCB-)Oct 09 16:26
DaemonFCThe last time I had the Taurus in the shop, they offered to replace the muffler.Oct 09 16:28
DaemonFCI said "Have you....looked at the rest of the car? No thanks."Oct 09 16:29
DaemonFCA new muffler would cost me more than the car is worth.Oct 09 16:30
DaemonFCI've gotten to the point where just about anything I do to it approaches the value of the car.Oct 09 16:30
DaemonFCSo the exhaust comes out of the holes in the side instead of the tailpipe?Oct 09 16:30
MinceRhttps://github.com/WhiteHouse/fortyfour/issues/3Oct 09 16:30
TechrightsBot-trgithub.com | BUG: Government occasionally shuts down  Issue #3  WhiteHouse/fortyfour  GitHub  [ http://ur1.ca/fv2t7 ]Oct 09 16:30
DaemonFCIs that hurting anything?Oct 09 16:30
MinceRDaemonFC: yes, my eardrumsOct 09 16:31
DaemonFCIt's not loud actually.Oct 09 16:31
MinceRit's apparently fashionable to drive cars without a mufflerOct 09 16:31
DaemonFCThe hole in the side is larger than the diameter of the tail pipe.Oct 09 16:31
DaemonFCEvery time I take my car in they offer to replace something expensive.Oct 09 16:32
DaemonFCSo my reply is "Will it kill anyone if you don't fix it?"Oct 09 16:32
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 16:32
MinceR"we thought we'd replace the car."Oct 09 16:32
DaemonFCyeahOct 09 16:32
DaemonFCIt's gotten to where before I leave I have them call me before they do any work, with an estimate."Oct 09 16:33
DaemonFCI told the dude "Don't go building me a new car without asking."Oct 09 16:33
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MinceR:DOct 09 16:33
DaemonFCI'm sure if you look closely enough, every major thing on that car has something wrong with it.Oct 09 16:33
MinceRyes, it's a ford :>Oct 09 16:34
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DaemonFCIt's a 20 year old Ford Taurus that the last owner beat the shit out of and someone vandalized when they were trying to hotwire it.Oct 09 16:35
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DaemonFCSo yeah, not perfect.Oct 09 16:35
MinceRnot even Prefect? :>Oct 09 16:35
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DaemonFCbut for some reason, it developed a completely new featureOct 09 16:35
DaemonFCIf I lose my car keys, I can start it with a screwdriver.Oct 09 16:35
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 16:35
MinceR:)Oct 09 16:36
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVpjtWyVc6MOct 09 16:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | How to Hot-Wire a Car - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv39u ]Oct 09 16:37
DaemonFCPound a screwdriver into the ignition then turn the screwdriver.Oct 09 16:37
DaemonFCThis will destroy the ignition cylinder, but is effective on most cars built before the mid 90's.Oct 09 16:38
DaemonFCLOLOct 09 16:38
MinceR:)Oct 09 16:39
DaemonFCWhy did they even give you a key?Oct 09 16:42
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DaemonFCWhy not just put a button there so that the thief wouldn't do $1,000 worth of damage when they did steal your car?Oct 09 16:43
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DaemonFCCar doors are easy to pry open.Oct 09 16:43
DaemonFCThe only reason to lock them is because the insurance won't pay you if you leave them unlocked and the car gets stolen.Oct 09 16:44
DaemonFCmy grandmother left her car unlocked, and a thief got in and stole her stereo deck.Oct 09 16:44
DaemonFCThe guy at the auto repair shop said he'd bust the door open to make it look like she had it locked, and then fix that too.Oct 09 16:45
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 16:45
DaemonFCWell, being the good Christian lady that she is, she said no. (her story)Oct 09 16:45
DaemonFCMy story: She had a new stereo deck in the car the next month. What do you think happened? :)Oct 09 16:46
MinceRthe broke in and stole itOct 09 16:46
DaemonFCshe probably did have that guy make it look like they broke inOct 09 16:46
DaemonFCthose OEM decks are NOT cheap.Oct 09 16:46
DaemonFCIn the 1990s, they were like $600.Oct 09 16:46
DaemonFCBut you can get a better one at Walmart for $150.Oct 09 16:48
DaemonFCYes, I know. This is how OEM parts on cars are. :)Oct 09 16:48
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DaemonFCThey told my dad that a replacement ash tray was going to be $300.Oct 09 16:48
DaemonFC:POct 09 16:48
DaemonFCHe didn't even smoke. He just always fixes everything that breaks on any car he owns.Oct 09 16:49
DaemonFCHe's pedantic like that.Oct 09 16:49
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XFaCEschestowitz: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/brazil-spying-report-spotlights-canadas-electronic-eavesdroppers/article14720003/#dashboard/follows/Oct 10 00:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.theglobeandmail.com | Charges that Canada spied on Brazil unveil CSEC's inner workings - The Globe and Mail  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5eu ]Oct 10 00:10
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS2Ba9gTPOoOct 10 00:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | GPS   Allstate TV Commercial - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5ge ]Oct 10 00:19
DaemonFCFord Sync with Microsoft!Oct 10 00:19
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWC6PWSJ50sOct 10 00:21
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhyQgskfjNcOct 10 00:25
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8JZwh5ZHYOct 10 00:26
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DaemonFCSHaky shaky!Oct 10 00:26
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDL7RqPr5cOct 10 00:29
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TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Mayhem: Text Walker Video - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5jd ]Oct 10 00:39
DaemonFCMinceR, The guy I am buying the Crown Vic from mentioned how messed up our government is.Oct 10 01:14
DaemonFCI told him it's like that Alien Vs. Predator tagline.Oct 10 01:14
DaemonFC"Whoever wins, we lose."Oct 10 01:14
DaemonFCYou've got the business criminals and the Nazis.Oct 10 01:14
DaemonFCI guess I'd rather have ordinary business criminals running things than Nazis.Oct 10 01:15
DaemonFCBut they're both bad.Oct 10 01:15
DaemonFCAlot of these Tea Party people are really just neoconfederates.Oct 10 01:15
DaemonFCIt's that "States Rights Democratic Party" bullshit from the 1960s all over again.Oct 10 01:16
DaemonFCWhen bad stuff happens, extremists get a foothold in government.Oct 10 01:16
DaemonFCI understand that actual Nazis are taking over slowly in Greece.Oct 10 01:17
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MinceRthey already took over hereOct 10 01:49
DaemonFCMinceR, I don't suppose the idle threats about being expelled from the EU are slowing them down at all.Oct 10 01:53
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 01:53
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MinceRthey didn't slow them down at allOct 10 01:54
DaemonFChttp://www.kernschevysuperstore.com/detail.aspx?id=3391728&PrefID=0&.aspxOct 10 01:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.kernschevysuperstore.com | 1996 Ford Crown Victoria - Used Sedan Lima OH | Kerns Chevrolet Buick GMC  [ http://ur1.ca/fv5v9 ]Oct 10 01:55
DaemonFCI got my mom looking at that one.Oct 10 01:55
DaemonFCDave couldn't understand why I wanted one.Oct 10 01:56
DaemonFCI told him "It's big, reliable, fast, and cheap."Oct 10 01:57
DaemonFCThe ricers get some o them, but at least they're dealing with a real car. Not a Honda Civic. :)Oct 10 01:57
MinceRafaik honda civics are real carsOct 10 01:58
DaemonFCThe only argument for a Honda Civic is it gets good gas mileage.Oct 10 01:59
MinceRand that it's reliableOct 10 01:59
DaemonFCand it should, because it takes three of them to equal one carOct 10 01:59
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 01:59
DaemonFCYou get into a wreck and you're finished.Oct 10 01:59
MinceRwell, there's thatOct 10 01:59
DaemonFCThe entire car is a crumple zone.Oct 10 01:59
DaemonFCand it's basically a fiberglass body on a motorcycle engineOct 10 02:00
DaemonFCI read one person's post about hitting a Toyota Camry with their Ford Crown Victoria.Oct 10 02:01
DaemonFCThey said that the Crown Vic needed a paint touch up and a new headlight cover.Oct 10 02:01
DaemonFCThey said the Camry was totaled.Oct 10 02:01
MinceRno, it's a compact car :>Oct 10 02:01
MinceRnot sure about the fiberglass eitherOct 10 02:01
DaemonFCThe person driving the Camry made the really dumb mistake of trying to change lanes without signaling and got rear-ended.Oct 10 02:02
DaemonFCand the entire back half of their car was crushed by the Crown Vic.Oct 10 02:02
MinceRthey don't know about turn signals in the usa either? :>Oct 10 02:02
DaemonFCYou'd think that you'd look, see the Crown Vic, and decide that you don't want to get in the way.Oct 10 02:02
DaemonFCSo apparently the dumb bitch didn't look or signal.Oct 10 02:03
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 02:03
DaemonFCOf course, no matter what happens, the person that hits the back of another car is "at fault".Oct 10 02:03
DaemonFCKind of like how I was "at fault" when the jogger listening to his ipod decided to run out in front of my car.Oct 10 02:03
DaemonFCIf I had it to do over again from the point of seeing if he was OK, I would have curb stomped the ipod.Oct 10 02:04
DaemonFCHe had.....a small bruise, and my insurance rate tripled for three years.Oct 10 02:04
DaemonFCSix months later, my mom noticed that my Taurus was filthy but that there was a giant "clean streak" on the hood.Oct 10 02:05
DaemonFCI said "Yeah, that was the guy with the ipod."Oct 10 02:05
MinceR:)Oct 10 02:05
DaemonFCThe hit knocked him up onto the hood, then he landed about 10 feet from the driver side of the car.Oct 10 02:06
DaemonFCI got out and asked if he was alright. First words out of his mouth are "You stupid son of a bitch!".Oct 10 02:07
DaemonFCIf fleeing the scene wasn't a crime I would have said "So, that's a yes?" and left.Oct 10 02:07
DaemonFCOnly in this country can you run out into traffic and blame the driver of the car that hits you.Oct 10 02:08
DaemonFCProbably wouldn't be the case if common sense prevailed, but trial lawyers probably love it.Oct 10 02:08
DaemonFCYeah, I've had some fun times with that Taurus.Oct 10 02:10
DaemonFCIt's had about as much of me as it can take.Oct 10 02:10
DaemonFC:POct 10 02:10
DaemonFCYesterday, I was going 50 miles an hour down a country road to go look at the Crown Vic, and I see a railroad crossing.Oct 10 02:11
DaemonFCThought nothing of it because most of them are flat.Oct 10 02:11
DaemonFCThis one wasn't.Oct 10 02:11
DaemonFCSo I went flying into the air, probably 5-6 feet off the ground, and then landed.Oct 10 02:12
DaemonFCand my trunk flies openOct 10 02:12
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 02:12
DaemonFCI need to call that guy tomorrow and tell him to watch out for that railroad crossing.Oct 10 02:12
DaemonFCIt would be nice if there was a posted warning about that.Oct 10 02:13
DaemonFCBut no. The speed limit is 50 and all of a sudden, you're airborne.Oct 10 02:13
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/387867100607299584Oct 10 02:25
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz not first time wealthy empowered loony movements only to find they made monsters.  Is how the Wiemar Republic collapsed too.Oct 10 02:25
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DaemonFCI'll have this Vic purring like a kitten.Oct 10 02:28
DaemonFCI'll give it a tune up sometime next spring.Oct 10 02:28
DaemonFCnew plugs and wiresOct 10 02:28
DaemonFCI'll have a shop do it because if they fuck up and break one of the plugs, they're the ones that have to figure out how to get it out.Oct 10 02:28
DaemonFCI want to get a coolant flush right away because winter is coming and all the shops have those on special right now.Oct 10 02:29
DaemonFCI could do it myself, but for $45 they can have right at it.Oct 10 02:30
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 02:30
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DaemonFChttp://www.dummies.com/Section/Windows-8.id-811990.htmlOct 10 02:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.dummies.com | Microsoft Windows 8 - For Dummies  [ http://ur1.ca/fv65d ]Oct 10 02:35
MinceRthey left an 'is' out thereOct 10 02:41
DaemonFCMinceR, I had my mom ask if she should take her car to Walmart's oil change place.Oct 10 02:48
DaemonFCI said "Only if you want an excuse to go new car shopping.".Oct 10 02:48
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 02:48
DaemonFCShe asked me why I said that. I told her "Because I was a manager at Walmart and got to deal with customers that left without oil in the engine, had their drain plug stripped out, had the oil overfilled, had them bill them for an oil change and then not do one....."Oct 10 02:49
DaemonFCI remember one day when someone brought their BMW (to Walmart!) and had it fall off the lift.Oct 10 02:50
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 02:50
DaemonFChttp://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/off-topic-discussion/how-does-walmart-make-money-on-a-20-oil-change/18504/page1/Oct 10 02:53
TechrightsBot-trgrassrootsmotorsports.com | How does walmart make money on a $20 oil change?: Off-Topic Discussion forum:  Grassroots Motorsports Magazine  [ http://ur1.ca/fv687 ]Oct 10 02:53
DaemonFC"cheap oil, cheaper filter, and minimum wage...FTW "Oct 10 02:53
DaemonFCLOLOct 10 02:54
DaemonFC"will any of these places (that charge so little) use the oil you specify"Oct 10 02:55
DaemonFCWalmart will, but they charge the shelf price of the oil * number of quarts + an extra $2Oct 10 02:56
DaemonFCPeople who are picky about motor oil brands have...issues.Oct 10 02:56
DaemonFCI've gotten cars up to nearly 300,000 miles using nothing but bulk/off brand motor oils.Oct 10 02:57
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DaemonFCIt's just not that big of a deal as long as it complies with the relevant standards and you actually change it on time.Oct 10 02:57
DaemonFCThey get people on the hook with "high mileage" and "full synthetic" oils.Oct 10 02:57
DaemonFCbut unless you're driving a sports car that calls for it, you're just wasting moneyOct 10 02:58
DaemonFCI've torn down engines, and the biggest difference was not brand of oil, it was whether it got changed on time.Oct 10 02:58
DaemonFC3,000 miles is a good interval the "or 3 months" part is so they can sell you more oil changes.Oct 10 03:00
DaemonFCIt should be 3,000 miles or 9 months if you ask meOct 10 03:00
DaemonFCunless you do a lot of stop and go or idling.Oct 10 03:00
DaemonFCSome of the filthiest engines are the ones where people do use full synthetic and actually believe that 15,000 mile marketing crapOct 10 03:01
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DaemonFCI don't do Walmart oil changes, ever. Even on my 20 year old rusted out shitpile.Oct 10 03:05
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DaemonFCI don't even trust them with that.Oct 10 03:05
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DaemonFCFor $3 more you can go across the street to the Ford dealer and have someone that knows what they're doing and won't impact strip your drain plug and stick a FRAM filter on your car.Oct 10 03:05
DaemonFCTotally worth it.Oct 10 03:05
DaemonFCI made it a point to ask the guy with the Crown Vic for his service records for the car.Oct 10 03:10
DaemonFCI saw that it got all of its oil changes at Crain Ford.Oct 10 03:10
DaemonFCThat made me feel alot better.Oct 10 03:10
DaemonFCMost people go to Walmart because they think they're being smart by having a minimum wage teenager work on their $30,000 car.Oct 10 03:11
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DaemonFChttp://auto.howstuffworks.com/5-benefits-of-an-engine-flush.htmOct 10 03:14
DaemonFCLOLOct 10 03:14
TechrightsBot-trauto.howstuffworks.com | HowStuffWorks "5 Benefits of an Engine Flush"  [ http://ur1.ca/fv6c5 ]Oct 10 03:14
DaemonFCEngine flushes destroy engines.Oct 10 03:14
DaemonFCAir conditioners are a "if it works, leave it alone" thing.Oct 10 03:15
DaemonFCYou want to run them every so often even in winter, to circulate the oil in the system.Oct 10 03:15
DaemonFCI've had some old cars where the compressor would start leaking. Those compressors aren't cheap, and the labor hours aren't either.Oct 10 03:16
DaemonFCIf it's a minor leak, you can get away with recharging it yourself with R-134a + "stop leak".Oct 10 03:16
DaemonFCusuallyOct 10 03:16
DaemonFCI had a car where I did that and the air conditioner worked for the next five years. By then I was ready to sell it as a beater anyway.Oct 10 03:17
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iophkhttps://dfri.se/wiki/access-europa-eu-complaint/Oct 10 03:56
TechrightsBot-trdfri.se | access-europa-eu-complaint  [ http://ur1.ca/fv6j0 ]Oct 10 03:56
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iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/10/09/hp-admits-what-we-already-knew-microsoft-is-at-war-with-its-oem-partners/Oct 10 05:17
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | HP Admits What We Already Knew: Microsoft Is At War With Its OEM Partners  |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/fv6xa ]Oct 10 05:17
iophkMaybe the OEM monopoly will weaken and break soon.  There are already a few Chromebooks available.Oct 10 05:18
iophkGetting full Gnu/linux out there would be the next sign.Oct 10 05:18
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iophkserious M$ apologist: http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2013/10/09/what-is-the-worst-thing-about-working-at-microsoft/Oct 10 05:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | What Is The Worst Thing About Working At Microsoft? - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fv6y5 ]Oct 10 05:21
JimmyCarterlolOct 10 05:25
iophkIt is interesting to see what their party line is these days.Oct 10 05:28
JimmyCarterfix your bugs and maybe people will stop "doubting" youOct 10 05:28
iophkand their business modelOct 10 05:28
iophkM$ has squashed a lot of innovation over the years and even whole businessesOct 10 05:29
JimmyCarterwhats last innovation ms squashed?Oct 10 05:29
JimmyCarterseems like that was the 90s to meOct 10 05:30
JimmyCarterperhaps you would say nokia Oct 10 05:30
iophkmeego would be one of the latest but it's not completely outOct 10 05:30
iophkit has some new life in JollaOct 10 05:30
iophkThey did a second round of pre-orders recentlyOct 10 05:30
iophkODF was another high profile tech, but even it is not gone completelyOct 10 05:31
iophkStacker was one of the first I rememberOct 10 05:32
iophkeven the effects on hardware are lessening with ARM becoming popular.Oct 10 05:33
iophkMIPS might be on the edge of a revival.  Oct 10 05:33
iophkIt's in a fair number of network appliances but not the desktop Oct 10 05:33
JimmyCarterinteresting re MIPSOct 10 05:41
iophkRMS runs MIPSOct 10 05:41
iophkhttp://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/Oct 10 05:41
TechrightsBot-trrichard.stallman.usesthis.com | The Setup / Richard StallmanOct 10 05:41
iophkhttp://stallman.org/stallman-computing.htmlOct 10 05:42
TechrightsBot-trstallman.org | How I do my Computing  [ http://ur1.ca/0dj8d ]Oct 10 05:42
iophk'"We're convinced that innovation will be greatly enhanced and improved if Microsoft's heavy hand of monopoly is removed from the industry," said Ed Black, president of the Computer & Communications Industry Association (CCIA).'Oct 10 05:51
iophkhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/781765.stmOct 10 05:51
TechrightsBot-trnews.bbc.co.uk | BBC NEWS  | Business  | Has Microsoft stifled innovation?  [ http://ur1.ca/fv736 ]Oct 10 05:51
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/avoiding-layoffs-motivates-south-tyrol-province-wide-switchOct 10 05:59
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | Avoiding layoffs motivates South Tyrol province-wide switch | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/fv74b ]Oct 10 05:59
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/att-the-internet-is-awesome-so-lets-get-rid-of-phone-regulations/Oct 10 06:53
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | AT&T: The Internet is awesome, so lets get rid of phone regulations | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fv7ex ]Oct 10 06:53
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DaemonFCthat's hilariousOct 10 08:30
DaemonFCThe first Google result for "pirate" is The Pirate Bay.Oct 10 08:31
DaemonFCwith links to browse torrents or the Top 100.Oct 10 08:31
DaemonFCLOLOct 10 08:31
DaemonFCTheir infobox even has the Pirate Ship logo with information on The Pirate Bay from Wikipedia.Oct 10 08:32
DaemonFCThen a link to the Pittsburgh Pirates.Oct 10 08:32
DaemonFCThen a link to Wikipedia's page on piracy at sea.Oct 10 08:32
DaemonFCI couldn't have done that better myself.Oct 10 08:33
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DaemonFCSo, I should be able to finalize the deal on that car today.Oct 10 08:54
*DaemonFC feels like a kid on Christmas morning.Oct 10 08:55
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 08:55
DaemonFCMinceR,  It feels good knowing that you own something nice and didn't have to bring the fucking banks into the process.Oct 10 08:55
DaemonFCB-)Oct 10 08:56
DaemonFCThe guy I'm buying the car from told me about his first car. He said that it was a Chevy Nova that had a bad engine. He bought it because it was $100 and he figured he'd just drop another engine into it.Oct 10 08:57
DaemonFCHe said that before he ever got to do that, a city garbage truck ran into the car.Oct 10 08:57
oiaohmI have just had some sport with my debian break and failing to load anything gtk based.Oct 10 08:57
DaemonFCTheir insurance company totaled it out and paid him $300 for it.Oct 10 08:57
oiaohmPushed all gtk libraries back to stable and its running again.Oct 10 08:57
DaemonFCHe said he was thrilled.Oct 10 08:57
DaemonFC(In the 1970s when that was a fair bit of money.)Oct 10 08:58
oiaohmDaemonFC: profit from insurnace company is rare.Oct 10 08:58
DaemonFCThe US Dollar has lost more than half the value it had in the (nearly) 30 years I've been alive.Oct 10 08:58
DaemonFCSo in today's terms he probably paid $400 for it and got $1,200.Oct 10 08:59
DaemonFC:POct 10 08:59
DaemonFCsomething like thatOct 10 08:59
DaemonFCCongress is on a mission to debauch the currency so that people are punished for saving.Oct 10 08:59
oiaohmSeen the one with MS releasing RDP clients on Android and OSiOct 10 09:00
DaemonFCThe Fed's goal is inflation because it scares people into spending everything they have quickly while it still buys something.Oct 10 09:00
oiaohmOk gnome-terminal still busted.Oct 10 09:01
DaemonFCI had to doctor GNOME up alot just to make it work right.Oct 10 09:01
DaemonFC"Out of the box experience" is horrible.Oct 10 09:02
DaemonFCI still wish there was an extension to disable their new system tray and put it back in the main panel where it was in GNOME 2.Oct 10 09:02
DaemonFCIs there?Oct 10 09:02
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 09:02
MinceRjust upgrade to xfceOct 10 09:03
oiaohmMinceR: what ever went wrong with the GTK took out xfce as well.Oct 10 09:04
MinceRyour fault for not using stable :>Oct 10 09:04
DaemonFCFedora will fix it up.Oct 10 09:05
MinceRand break itself.Oct 10 09:05
DaemonFCThey're a lot better than they used to be.Oct 10 09:05
DaemonFCThey used to ship some obviously and horribly broken releases.Oct 10 09:05
MinceRi still don't trust yum.Oct 10 09:05
DaemonFCbut their latest ones are quite goodOct 10 09:05
DaemonFCyum is being replaced soon-ishOct 10 09:06
MinceRwith what?Oct 10 09:06
DaemonFChttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNFOct 10 09:07
TechrightsBot-trfedoraproject.org | Features/DNF - FedoraProject  [ http://ur1.ca/9j26l ]Oct 10 09:07
DaemonFCA fork of yum.Oct 10 09:07
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 09:07
MinceRDuke Nukem Forever. :>Oct 10 09:07
DaemonFCIt's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum.Oct 10 09:08
DaemonFC...and I'm all out of gum.Oct 10 09:08
MinceR:)Oct 10 09:08
oiaohmMinceR: my system is about 80 percent testing.Oct 10 09:13
DaemonFCThe last time I sold a car, I sold it to a lady on Social Security.Oct 10 09:13
MinceRoiaohm: expect issues, then :>Oct 10 09:13
oiaohmMinceR: funny enough this is the first major break in 4 years.Oct 10 09:14
DaemonFCSo I put down that I sold it to her for $50.Oct 10 09:14
DaemonFC:POct 10 09:14
DaemonFCThe sales tax alone would have wiped her out that month. Does the state care? No.Oct 10 09:14
oiaohmMinceR: yes debian testing issues are supprising rare I think its something about waylandOct 10 09:14
DaemonFCI asked the guy I'm buying the car from if he'd put down that I bought it for $100.Oct 10 09:15
DaemonFCHe said no.Oct 10 09:15
DaemonFCSo there goes $100-something to the state.Oct 10 09:16
DaemonFCDamn it.Oct 10 09:16
DaemonFCI would have bought the car and titled it yesterday, but his dad owned the car and when he died, nobody titled it over to anyone else.Oct 10 09:17
DaemonFCSo technically the car belongs to a dead person.Oct 10 09:17
DaemonFCSo he has to bring the death certificate to the DMV office, *and* his Power Of Attorney over his mom.Oct 10 09:17
DaemonFCand that's the only way he can legally sell me the car.Oct 10 09:17
DaemonFCI thought about asking him to just sign his dad's name on the title.Oct 10 09:18
DaemonFCI doubt the state would have figured it out, but knowing my luck....Oct 10 09:18
DaemonFCand if he does that, then there's no telling who would find out and challenge itOct 10 09:18
DaemonFC"He didn't have the right to do that and dad and my senile mother would want *me* to have the car!"Oct 10 09:19
DaemonFCSo I'm not taking any of that risk.Oct 10 09:19
DaemonFCHe can either get the paperwork together and title it over legally, or I'm going to have to walk.Oct 10 09:19
DaemonFCIt would just kill me to do that, but I'm not going to risk any entanglement with our government over this.Oct 10 09:20
DaemonFCMinceR, See what kind of a mess can happen when there's no planning for what to do with someone's estate?Oct 10 09:21
MinceRmehOct 10 09:21
DaemonFCTechnically it's his dad's estate, through his Power of Attorney over his mother that is selling me the car.Oct 10 09:21
DaemonFCMy grandmother never changed the phone bill over to her name after my grandfather died.Oct 10 09:22
DaemonFC15 years later, my phone still says his name when she calls me.Oct 10 09:22
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DaemonFCPhone company doesn't care. Someone pays the bill.Oct 10 09:23
DaemonFCcat is throwing upOct 10 09:23
DaemonFCI had to grab him and hold him over the trash can.Oct 10 09:23
oiaohmDaemonFC: mind you dead person with assest does cause some tax fun.Oct 10 09:23
oiaohmDaemonFC: sometimes it cheaper to run the estate for everOct 10 09:23
DaemonFC"HERE! *HEAVE HEAVE HEAVE!* LET ME *BARF* PUKE ALL OVER THE CARPET!"Oct 10 09:23
oiaohmDaemonFC: worst I have had was a dog after a evil batch of dog biskets.Oct 10 09:24
DaemonFCI call my cat the Foul Smelling Beast.Oct 10 09:28
DaemonFC"Who's my foul smelling beast? You're my foul smelling beast! Yes you are!"Oct 10 09:28
MinceRsmelly cat, smelly catOct 10 09:32
DaemonFChmmm, good timingOct 10 10:16
DaemonFCThe local Ford dealer sent me coupons for an oil change, a coolant flush, and a transmission drain and fill and filter change.Oct 10 10:16
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 10:16
DaemonFCprobably ended up on their mailing list when I was looking for a used FordOct 10 10:17
DaemonFCWhen I take it in for a tune up in a few months, I'm just going to have them change the plugs, wires, and coil packs all at once.Oct 10 10:17
DaemonFCThe labor is the main thing.Oct 10 10:18
DaemonFCI'd feel pretty stupid if I had a wire or coil pack go bad after they just had it all disassembled to change the plugs.Oct 10 10:18
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 10:18
DaemonFCNo, it doesn't need a tune up, but you shouldn't really wait until it does.Oct 10 10:18
DaemonFCIt's nearing 100,000 miles, so that's the time to do it.Oct 10 10:19
DaemonFCFord's service manual says 100,000 is the time to do the plugs and wires.Oct 10 10:19
DaemonFCI plan to pick up the service schedule right where they left off.Oct 10 10:19
DaemonFCSomeone took exceptionally good care of this car. I was impressed.Oct 10 10:20
DaemonFCThey even had it detailed.Oct 10 10:20
DaemonFCNormally you look under the hood and the transmission fluid is black, the coolant is brown and has stuff floating in it, the oil looks like chocolate syrup, and the entire compartment is filthy.Oct 10 10:21
DaemonFCand the air filter has usually never been changedOct 10 10:21
DaemonFCThose are the kind of cars you find on dealer lots that were traded in.Oct 10 10:21
DaemonFCThey took a huge loss on them because they neglected everything and there was no way they could possibly sell it themselves.Oct 10 10:21
DaemonFCIf the used car market keeps going like it is, I'll pay $2200 for that car today and turn around 10 years later and sell it for $1,700 or so.Oct 10 10:22
DaemonFCThat's what happened with my Taurus. I paid $2,000 for it in 2005, and 100,000 miles later and in bad condition, it's still valued at $1,100.Oct 10 10:23
DaemonFCand I beat the crap out of itOct 10 10:23
DaemonFCused cars are like crazy right nowOct 10 10:23
DaemonFCI don't think this guy realizes what he has.Oct 10 10:23
DaemonFCIf he did, he'd be trying to wring at least $3500 out of me.Oct 10 10:23
DaemonFCI told a dealer that called a few minutes ago about that car, and he said "So what are you paying? 34, 35?"Oct 10 10:24
DaemonFCI said "22".Oct 10 10:24
DaemonFCHe's like "Oh, well, we couldn't give you a deal like that. Have a nice day!"Oct 10 10:24
DaemonFCLOLOct 10 10:24
MinceR:DOct 10 10:25
DaemonFCThe Crown Vic is like the closest thing to perfect in the used car market right now.Oct 10 10:27
DaemonFCThey're incredibly unpopular with anyone under 60.Oct 10 10:27
DaemonFCso the price goes down alotOct 10 10:27
DaemonFClimited marketOct 10 10:27
DaemonFCPeople look at you funny when you're in your 20s and you're driving a full size sedan.Oct 10 10:28
DaemonFCThe Ford Taurus used to be a great value on the used car market.Oct 10 10:29
DaemonFCNow they're impossible to get a good price on.Oct 10 10:29
DaemonFCEveryone wants one because they're a fairly durable midsize sedan that doesn't guzzle gas.Oct 10 10:29
DaemonFCSo you see ones that are a 2002 with 160,000 miles going for $4500.Oct 10 10:30
DaemonFCThat's just crazy.Oct 10 10:30
DaemonFCWhen I was last in the market, the Taurus was the best car for the money. Tons of gently-used mid to late 90s models were on the market at extremely fair prices.Oct 10 10:30
DaemonFCSupply gluts drive prices down.Oct 10 10:31
DaemonFCPeople ask me if I'm afraid to drive a 20 year old car.Oct 10 10:31
DaemonFCI tell them "Not at all."Oct 10 10:31
DaemonFCIf you treat it like a machine instead of an appliance, they should keep going for a very long time.Oct 10 10:32
DaemonFCAssuming that they were a decent car to begin with.Oct 10 10:32
DaemonFCPeople treat their cars like a washing machine.Oct 10 10:32
DaemonFCYou just buy one and keep pressing the button until it doesn't work anymore, and then buy a new one.Oct 10 10:32
DaemonFCDisgustingly wasteful.Oct 10 10:33
DaemonFCI'll never buy a new car.Oct 10 10:33
DaemonFCNot now, not ever.Oct 10 10:33
DaemonFCIf I don't have the money to buy it in my pocket, it's just not going to happen.Oct 10 10:33
DaemonFCI really don't have any debt.Oct 10 10:34
DaemonFCI thought I'd be cute and see what the going rate for a car loan for someone like me would be.Oct 10 10:34
DaemonFCMinceR, You know what they said?Oct 10 10:34
DaemonFC"Your credit rating is good, but we have to deny you because you're not in enough debt already."Oct 10 10:34
DaemonFCI was like "What the fuck is this shit?"Oct 10 10:34
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 10:34
DaemonFCI can't get a loan because I'm too responsible.Oct 10 10:35
DaemonFC"So if I go out and get a 30 year mortgage and max out a credit card, you'll talk to me?"Oct 10 10:35
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MinceR:)Oct 10 10:35
DaemonFC"Yeah, pretty much."Oct 10 10:35
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DaemonFCThat's just so bad it deserves a facepalm.Oct 10 10:36
DaemonFC"You have enough money to service the proposed debt. We'll never get you on the penalty rate or repo and resell your car. NEXT!"Oct 10 10:37
DaemonFCThat's what this national debt crisis really is right now. They have to give the banksters an excuse to downgrade our credit rating so they can "earn" more interest.Oct 10 10:38
DaemonFCThey do the same thing to people.Oct 10 10:38
DaemonFCBanks suck.Oct 10 10:38
DaemonFCThey like people who miss a payment every now and then but get it "on schedule" eventually.Oct 10 10:39
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/extratorrent-threatens-legal-action-over-police-ordered-domain-seizure-131010/Oct 10 10:39
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | ExtraTorrent Threatens Legal Action Over Police-Ordered Domain Seizure | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fv8ij ]Oct 10 10:39
DaemonFCGives them an excuse to make their interest rate 20% instead of 3.4Oct 10 10:39
DaemonFC3.4 is basically a teaserOct 10 10:40
DaemonFCthey screen out most of the customers that can make 100% on time payments so they don't have to do 3.4 for very longOct 10 10:41
DaemonFCMinceR, I told that loan officer off.Oct 10 10:42
DaemonFCI read her the Riot Act.Oct 10 10:42
DaemonFCI said "I will NEVER do business with this credit union because of this. I was going to move all my accounts here, but forget it. You're rude, you're unprofessional, and your terms just suck. The only reason I was considering banking here was because it might be necessary to get a reasonable auto loan."Oct 10 10:43
MinceR:>Oct 10 10:43
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DaemonFCoh, I left them a nasty review on Google as wellOct 10 10:52
DaemonFCfuckersOct 10 10:52
DaemonFC"Denied for a car loan even though my FICO rating is good. Checked into opening a bank account there because I thought it might be necessary to get a car loan approval. When I checked into their account terms, fees, and interest rates, I was seriously unimpressed. Why does anyone do business with a bank that charges you just to have an account, order checks, and get a paper statement? Ally Bank and Oct 10 10:52
DaemonFCCapital One 360 don't do this. Also, their employees are incredibly rude. I'm listed as a joint account owner on someone else's account and asked them if I could write myself a check on my bank account since being a joint owner makes me a member. They said "Well, YOU'RE responsible if it BOUNCES!". I have NEVER ONCE bounced a check in my entire life."Oct 10 10:52
DaemonFCTake that.Oct 10 10:53
DaemonFC:)Oct 10 10:53
DaemonFCI feel better.Oct 10 10:53
DaemonFCThat's out of my system now.Oct 10 10:53
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/10/berners_lee_on_html_drm/Oct 10 11:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Web daddy Tim Berners-Lee: DRMed HTML least of all evils  The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fv8m4 ]Oct 10 11:00
DaemonFChttp://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/02/5-tip-offs-to-mechanic-rip-offs/index.htmOct 10 11:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.consumerreports.org | Car-Mechanic Rip-Offs | Car Repair | Car Maintenance -  Consumer Reports  [ http://ur1.ca/fv8me ]Oct 10 11:01
DaemonFCEngine flush: BADOct 10 11:01
DaemonFCTransmission flush: Should be fine as long as the transmission isn't already damaged.Oct 10 11:02
DaemonFCIf the fluid is already brown, you should just do a drain and fill, and filter replacement, and then do another one in about 5,000 miles.Oct 10 11:02
DaemonFC Raymond Andrews says:Oct 10 11:41
DaemonFCKEWL so when is Obama going to finish my fence?!?! cause good fences make for good neighbors Oct 10 11:41
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 10 11:41
DaemonFCYou'd think so, but then you get the neighbor that builds a pool downwind of your pine trees and then complains about the pine trees and demands that you pay $1,000 to get them cut down. :) Oct 10 11:41
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 10 11:43
DaemonFCAs a side note, the pine tree story was what happened to my mom and stepdad.Oct 10 11:43
DaemonFCThe neighbor came to complain about that while I was there and I said "That's alright ma'am, no charge for the pine needles.".Oct 10 11:43
DaemonFCI told my stepdad that she's lucky that I'm not their neighbor. After that scene, I'd be upstairs leaning outside to shake the pine tree branches. Oct 10 11:43
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iophkhttp://www.tecmint.com/screen-command-examples-to-manage-linux-terminals/Oct 10 15:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.tecmint.com | 10 Screen Command Examples to Manage Linux Terminals  [ http://ur1.ca/fva3h ]Oct 10 15:48
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