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| DaemonFC | MinceR, https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4122237737.html | Oct 11 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles [ http://ur1.ca/fvc6m ] | Oct 11 05:08 |
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| DaemonFC | Some guy on an ipad asked me what the lowest I'd go on it would be. | Oct 11 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | I told him probably $800 if he gets over here tomorrow. | Oct 11 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | I probably won't get much more than that. | Oct 11 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | If he tries to get me lower than that I'm going to tell him "Look. It's 2013. You're lucky to get something that makes it down the road for less than $1,000." | Oct 11 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://youtu.be/935xZdnVwq4 | Oct 11 05:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bill HIcks - Officer Nigger Hater - YouTube | Oct 11 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | I bought the 1996 Crown Victoria LX. | Oct 11 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | It is SUCH a nice car. | Oct 11 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | I spent most of the afternoon changing the oil, then going through the car wash, vacuuming, shampooing, going over the interior with armor all, and then turtle waxing it. | Oct 11 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 11 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://youtu.be/tsOWSDtxERU | Oct 11 05:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | 400 Cops - VS - Two heavily-armed and armored bank robbers / True events 1997 - YouTube | Oct 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | If I was the cop, I'd stay behind the front end of the car. | Oct 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | Those bullets probably wouldn't go through the engine block and out the other end. | Oct 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, On Monday I'm going to go ahead and do the coolant flush. I decided to do that myself. | Oct 11 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart had all the stuff I needed for about $15. | Oct 11 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I could do it myself and save some cash. | Oct 11 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | The Crown Victoria is a pretty fuel efficient car for its size. | Oct 11 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | I've done quite a bit of driving today and it's telling me I'm getting 20.2 mpg. | Oct 11 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | The guy never replied to my email. | Oct 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | What the fuck does he think he's buying? | Oct 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | If he wants to go below $800 on my old car, he can just buy himself a damned bicycle. | Oct 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | Does he expect me to give it to him for free? | Oct 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | If I can't get $800 out of it, I'll just give it to family so they can finish it off. | Oct 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | It has probably got a good 3-4 years left. | Oct 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | $800 is like two months of car payments these days. | Oct 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's a good deal. | Oct 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | I get in these funny arguments with Dave. | Oct 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | He's a Buick fan, I'm a Ford fan. :P | Oct 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | While Buick cars tend to be good by GM standards, everything GM makes is a money pit. | Oct 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | My mom even had to replace her rack and pinion steering on the Impala. | Oct 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | That was like $800! | Oct 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | It went out a few months after the warranty expired. | Oct 11 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | That's GM for you. | Oct 11 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | You get a nice full size Ford, and you're still driving it 30 years later. | Oct 11 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | I actually ran into another guy driving a Crown Victoria at the gas station today. | Oct 11 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | His was a 1991. | Oct 11 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | Asked him how many miles he had on his. | Oct 11 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | He said 392,000. | Oct 11 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | Just took it to Florida and back, he said. | Oct 11 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 11 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | Too many disposable clown cars out there. | Oct 11 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ford killed the Vic in 2011. | Oct 11 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | You can't get a Ford car with anything larger than a 3.8 liter DOHC V6 now. | Oct 11 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | damned government | Oct 11 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | If they would start putting out Compressed Natural Gas models, we could run big V8s for a LONG time to come. | Oct 11 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | It's all about how much the peasants are allowed to have. | Oct 11 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 11 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | The economy is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing with globalization, automation, and the abandonment of most of the displaced workers. | Oct 11 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Rich people and corporations have no conscience. It should be the government's job to protect people from corporations, but it's really usually the other way around, and now they're coming for your retirement money. | Oct 11 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sleep tight. | Oct 11 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://store.progressivebumperstickers.com/product.php?xProd=937&xSec=14 | Oct 11 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Oct 11 06:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | store.progressivebumperstickers.com | Progressive Bumper Stickers - Liberal, Democratic > VOTE DEMOCRATIC - We're not perfect, but they're nuts. (Barney Frank) [ http://ur1.ca/fvcg9 ] | Oct 11 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.democraticstuff.com/Please_Don_t_Put_My_Flag_On_Your_Foreign_Car_Bumper_Sticker_BS30173 | Oct 11 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.democraticstuff.com | Democratic Stuff - Please Don't Put My Flag On Your Foreign Car Bumper Sticker [ http://ur1.ca/fvcgz ] | Oct 11 06:28 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/product5560.html | Oct 11 06:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.evolvefish.com | Robme - Deceive in America Sticker - EvolveFISH and TheLiberalStore.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvcht ] | Oct 11 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Oct 11 06:30 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cafepress.com/mf/27824830/push-a-ford_sticker | Oct 11 06:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cafepress.com | PUSH A FORD Sticker by Admin_CP3653451 [ http://ur1.ca/fvcig ] | Oct 11 06:34 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Warning-Tampering-Bumper-Window-Sticker/dp/B00B601FUW/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1381469894&sr=8-15&keywords=ford+bumper+sticker | Oct 11 06:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Warning Tampering with Ford Funny Bumper Window Car Truck Sticker Decal: Everything Else [ http://ur1.ca/fvcj0 ] | Oct 11 06:38 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: "tire kickers"? :) | Oct 11 07:00 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Idiots that don't plan to buy the car but come out and waste your time. | Oct 11 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 07:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Warning-Tampering-Bumper-Window-Sticker/dp/B00B601FUW/ | Oct 11 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Warning Tampering with Ford Funny Bumper Window Car Truck Sticker Decal: Everything Else [ http://ur1.ca/fvcph ] | Oct 11 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | I need to get this. | Oct 11 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Little-peeing-Chevy-Window-Sticker/dp/B00CM0CCZ2/ | Oct 11 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Little Guy peeing on Chevy logo Car Window Vinyl Decal Sticker 5" Wide (Color: White): Everything Else [ http://ur1.ca/fvcpm ] | Oct 11 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tiptopsigns.com/images/D/BAD_iratherpushafordthandriveachevy.jpg | Oct 11 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://images.craigslist.org/00v0v_ghtmkZ4Y7V9_600x450.jpg | Oct 11 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | The Crown Vic is the red car in the background. | Oct 11 07:48 |
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| iophk | http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/04/trans-pacific-partnership_n_4039357.html | Oct 11 09:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.huffingtonpost.ca | Trans-Pacific Partnership Talks Headed For Finish Line Amid Official Secrecy [ http://ur1.ca/fvd3t ] | Oct 11 09:16 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 11 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://drunkdialcongress.org/ | Oct 11 09:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | drunkdialcongress.org | Drunk Dial Congress | Oct 11 09:26 |
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| JimmyCarter | lol | Oct 11 09:29 |
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| iophk | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/10/2241225/the-w3c-sells-out-users-without-seeming-to-get-anything-in-return | Oct 11 10:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | The W3C Sells Out Users Without Seeming To Get Anything In Return - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fvdal ] | Oct 11 10:09 |
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| iophk | No Snowden : | Oct 11 10:38 |
| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/12/world/chemical-weapons-watchdog-wins-nobel-peace-prize.html | Oct 11 10:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/fvder ] | Oct 11 10:39 |
| iophk | http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/10/10/lavabits-founder-has-an-idea-make-his-code-open-source/ | Oct 11 10:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.wsj.com | Lavabit's Founder Has An Idea: Make His Code Open Source - Digits - WSJ [ http://ur1.ca/fvdf3 ] | Oct 11 10:42 |
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| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/528799/eu_court_holds_news_website_liable_readers_comments/ | Oct 11 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com.au | EU court holds news website liable for readers' comments - Internet-based applications and services, european union, legal, Civil lawsuits, internet - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvdmv ] | Oct 11 11:31 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/seized-torrent-domains-must-be-released-says-domain-registrar-131011/ | Oct 11 11:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Seized Torrent Domains Must Be Released Says Domain Registrar | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fvdnq ] | Oct 11 11:39 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | Microsoft hiring http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2013/Aug-22.html | Oct 11 12:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tirania.org | Hiring Developers - Miguel de Icaza [ http://ur1.ca/fvdqx ] | Oct 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz_log_ | Mini Microsofgt | Oct 11 12:02 |
| iophk | too bad | Oct 11 12:03 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/61865-facebook-removes-more-privacy | Oct 11 12:05 |
| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9243143/Everyone_will_soon_be_searchable_on_Facebook | Oct 11 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | Facebook removes more privacy [ http://ur1.ca/fvdvf ] | Oct 11 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com | Everyone will soon be searchable on Facebook - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvdvh ] | Oct 11 12:05 |
| iophk | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10371793/Facebook-removes-option-to-hide-your-name-in-search.html | Oct 11 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.telegraph.co.uk | Facebook removes option to hide your name in search - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/fvdx0 ] | Oct 11 12:07 |
| iophk | http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2299785/nokia-cuts-symbian-and-meego-support-early-to-make-way-for-more-lumia-smartphones | Oct 11 12:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.v3.co.uk | Nokia cuts Symbian and MeeGo support early to make way for more Lumia smartphones - IT News from V3.co.uk [ http://ur1.ca/fvdx6 ] | Oct 11 12:08 |
| iophk | Can Sailfish be loaded on old Nokias? | Oct 11 12:08 |
| MinceR | i doubt it | Oct 11 12:08 |
| MinceR | but i don't really know | Oct 11 12:09 |
| iophk | I wouldn't expect that they would go out of their way to add it. There are not many such old phones on the market. | Oct 11 12:17 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the answer is no. | Oct 11 12:32 |
| oiaohm | iophk: except for a few rare models like the N9 | Oct 11 12:33 |
| oiaohm | iophk: most of the nokias cannot to run Linux the drivers required don't exist in the Linux kernel. | Oct 11 12:34 |
| iophk | http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List | Oct 11 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.w3.org | Current Members - W3C | Oct 11 12:36 |
| iophk | No Vanunu either : http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chemical-weapons-watchdog-wins-nobel-peace-prize/2013/10/11/e656a87c-3254-11e3-ad00-ec4c6b31cbed_story.html | Oct 11 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.washingtonpost.com | Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons wins 2013 Nobel Peace Prize - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/fve0t ] | Oct 11 12:40 |
| iophk | these awards are becoming pointless | Oct 11 12:41 |
| oiaohm | iophk: really it shows the lack of quality we have in the peace camp. | Oct 11 12:42 |
| iophk | Then on Monday the Swedish bankers will have the gall to pretend to award a Nobel prize, using misdirection and confusion to try to gain prestige. | Oct 11 12:47 |
| iophk | all for a pseudo-science | Oct 11 12:55 |
| iophk | The EU court decision about reader comments is a further assault on anonymity or even pseudo-anonymity | Oct 11 13:00 |
| oiaohm | iophk: really its the same legal limitation on using a soapbox in the street. | Oct 11 13:12 |
| iophk | basically | Oct 11 13:54 |
| iophk | peaceable assembly now occurs online | Oct 11 13:54 |
| oiaohm | iophk: really we need true p2p private zones. | Oct 11 14:07 |
| iophk | used to have usenet, that was p2p if not quite private | Oct 11 14:08 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/G9pgrQN.jpg | Oct 11 14:09 |
| oiaohm | iophk: not really the data in usenet was long term stored on public storage. | Oct 11 14:10 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I hate Craigslist. | Oct 11 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | Re: 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles - $1000 (Huntington) | Oct 11 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | From: Andrew Hamilton | Oct 11 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | 600 | Oct 11 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | Sent from my iPhone | Oct 11 14:32 |
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| DaemonFC | From: Me | Oct 11 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | To: Andrew Hamilton | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | Re: 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles - $1000 (Huntington) | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | On 10/11/2013 06:53 AM, Andrew wrote: | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | > 600 | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | > | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | > Sent from my iPhone | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | > | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | > | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry. If I have to go much lower than $800, I'd rather give it to family. | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | If he emails me again it better be for $800 or I'm going to lay into him. | Oct 11 14:33 |
| MinceR | he doesn't seem to be literate | Oct 11 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | "No. Seriously. I said $800. I'm not going to sit here today and let you murder me on a car that runs fine from your iCrap. Buy an Android phone next time and you'll be able to afford something more than a nice bicycle." | Oct 11 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry, Andrew! | Oct 11 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 14:34 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 11 14:35 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, He should be thrilled to find my Taurus for $800. | Oct 11 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | Unless he wants to save up a few thousand, he's not going to find anything much better. | Oct 11 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | I just want it out of my driveway. | Oct 11 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | $800 for a car that has no major mechanical issues, has four new tires, and a full tank of gas is basically giving it away. | Oct 11 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | My Crown Victoria ran over your Honda, and your iPhone, and your honor student. | Oct 11 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | Take that, RRRobert. | Oct 11 14:39 |
| MinceR | don't diss hondas, they're more reliable than fords. :> | Oct 11 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | LOL! | Oct 11 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | They're not good vehicles. They're just expensive because it's hard to find a used one that hasn't been used as a self-abuse project by a teenager. | Oct 11 14:40 |
| MinceR | i did not refer to their price. | Oct 11 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | At least some of them are figuring out that if you want to deck something out for cheap, get a Crown Vic P71. | Oct 11 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Crown_Victoria_Police_Interceptor | Oct 11 14:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvem5 ] | Oct 11 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Police_of_Los_Angeles.jpg | Oct 11 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | See, even the LARD figured out what kind of car to buy. :) | Oct 11 14:42 |
| MinceR | or they were mandated to buy something from the USA | Oct 11 14:43 |
| MinceR | or they were mandated to buy big and heavy vehicles | Oct 11 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | They don't have to. | Oct 11 14:43 |
| MinceR | and honda doesn't do those | Oct 11 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | There's no federal law demanding that. | Oct 11 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | If there was a more cost effective import that could hold up under their use case, at least the majority of states would allow them to buy it. | Oct 11 14:43 |
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| DaemonFC | Ford finally phased out the Crown Vic in 2011. | Oct 11 14:44 |
| MinceR | (big and heavy _does_ look like something that's useful for police forces) | Oct 11 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | They stopped selling them retail in 2004 I believe. | Oct 11 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | You have to get them at Fleet auctions now if you want one newer than that. | Oct 11 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they switched to Dodge Chargers now. | Oct 11 14:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is a catch here. Big Heavy without the safety features will equal dead police. | Oct 11 14:45 |
| *MinceR dodges a charger | Oct 11 14:45 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: aren't those safety features mandatory though? | Oct 11 14:45 |
| MinceR | also, small and light would still mean dead police, wouldn't it? :> | Oct 11 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/NYPD_Dodge_Charger_Police_Interceptor_2909.jpg/791px-NYPD_Dodge_Charger_Police_Interceptor_2909.jpg | Oct 11 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, No. | Oct 11 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | The Crown Vic is a big rugged cost-effective vehicle that is extremely fast. | Oct 11 14:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: police vehicals have a lot of alterations to make them stronger to being intentionally tboned and other things. | Oct 11 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | and it gives them a big V8 engine to hide behind when they're being shot at. | Oct 11 14:46 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: with such a huge engine it had better be fast | Oct 11 14:46 |
| MinceR | if they can accelerate it in a straight section, anyway :> | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/12/17/16/35/1997_ford_crown_victoria_4_dr_s_sedan-pic-4795679885609224471.jpeg | Oct 11 14:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: heck the highspeed Australian police cars are warped. | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | There's one LIKE the one I just bought. | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | same color, same rims | Oct 11 14:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the highspeed cars are self frame straighting after crash. | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | same hubcaps | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | my tires are better though. | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | brand new Michelins. | Oct 11 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | I priced them out at Wertenberger Tire, and they said they'd sell four of what I have for just over $900 after tax. | Oct 11 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | That old lady must have been loaded. | Oct 11 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | She went to the dealer for everything. She even had them fill out the service record on the owner manual and sign and date it. | Oct 11 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Rich old lady. | Oct 11 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's where you find the best used cars. | Oct 11 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | They sell them cheap because they just want them out of the driveway. | Oct 11 14:51 |
| MinceR | which rich old lady sells new cars? :> | Oct 11 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | and quite often there's not a thing wrong with them | Oct 11 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | oh, there's probably a few women that run new car lots | Oct 11 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | although I haven't ever seen it happen. | Oct 11 14:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | The finance lady at Mike Anderson Dodge offered to put me in an '04 Crown Vic with 131,000 miles on it for $7,500. | Oct 11 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | and it wasn't even the LX | Oct 11 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | I got my 1996 Crown Vic LX for $2,200, with full maintenance records. | Oct 11 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | and it has 94,700 miles on it | Oct 11 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | Those dealerships really know how to fuck you, MinceR | Oct 11 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | and after you pay them for all that, they figure out fees to add onto it. | Oct 11 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | so it was really more like $7,800 + tax by the time I got done dealing with Mike Anderson Dodge. | Oct 11 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | What an awful deal. | Oct 11 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | I told her that I wouldn't feel right paying more than $4,000 for that car, and that's only because it was an '04. | Oct 11 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | Age has a really high weight on the value of a car. | Oct 11 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | I know not why. | Oct 11 14:56 |
| MinceR | the older it is, the more chances people had to damage it :> | Oct 11 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | There's this several year range where you get them cheap, and then after 25 years, the price goes up again. | Oct 11 14:57 |
| MinceR | everything gets worse | Oct 11 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | because now it's a "classic car" | Oct 11 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Not really. | Oct 11 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, some of these newer models have so much MANDATORY shit in them that I do not want. | Oct 11 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | Like Microsoft and Onstar. | Oct 11 14:58 |
| MinceR | i mean a given car, once manufactured, always get worse | Oct 11 14:59 |
| MinceR | s/get/gets/ | Oct 11 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | There's not much difference between a 2000 Impala and a new one. The body style changed a little bit and they have mandatory Onstar. | Oct 11 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | and they get less reliable the newer you go | Oct 11 14:59 |
| MinceR | it gets worn, polluted, damaged, repaired, etc. | Oct 11 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | The car companies pay incentives for engineers to sit around figuring out how to make things $5 cheaper. | Oct 11 15:00 |
| MinceR | people you don't know get their mitts all over it :> | Oct 11 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | Enough of that goes on, and your car starts having all kinds of reliability nightmares. | Oct 11 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | It hasn't gotten any better in the last few years. | Oct 11 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | I feel better driving a used Crown Vic than some of what they sell new. | Oct 11 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | Like, Ford will sell you a Focus now for like $20,000 by the time you get the one with the stuff that everyone wants on it. | Oct 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | well, if it got things like mandatory m$ and onstar, it might well be better than the newer _models_ | Oct 11 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | Just basic stuff like auto transmission. | Oct 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | i mean if the newer models have them | Oct 11 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | and an engine that actually moves the car | Oct 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 11 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I always tell people... If you want a car for 10 years, get a Focus. If you want a car for 20+ years, spring for the Taurus. | Oct 11 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | It's a much nicer car. Even the base model. | Oct 11 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | And it's not that much more. | Oct 11 15:02 |
| MinceR | is the usian Focus anything like the european Focus? | Oct 11 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | You'd think that when people are sitting around deciding to commit to a car payment, they'd want to enjoy another 14 years without one when the payments stop. | Oct 11 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's more or less the same thing. | Oct 11 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | I ran into an older guy at the gas station, MinceR. He had a 1992 Crown Vic. I asked him how it was treating him. | Oct 11 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | He said he had 392,000+ miles on it. | Oct 11 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | I asked him what he did to it. He said "Bought it in 1992 and changed some fluids, filters, and some other minor things." | Oct 11 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | I don't doubt that it's a 30+ year car. | Oct 11 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It gets about the same gas mileage as my Taurus. | Oct 11 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | I was watching the computer cycle through various data and it said I was averaging 20.2 mpg. | Oct 11 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | I bet I could get that up when I go to tune it up here soon. | Oct 11 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | It gets better mileage than my grandmother's Cadillac. | Oct 11 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | I was watching her drive her '04 around, and her computer says she was getting about 15 mpg. | Oct 11 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | I need to go to Walmart today and get some turtle wax. | Oct 11 15:09 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: something to take into account here. Gizmos have weight. | Oct 11 15:09 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: ie electric windows are heavier than manual and the list goes on. | Oct 11 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Yeah, that train track that sent the Taurus flying the other day. | Oct 11 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | Didn't even bring the Crown Vic off the ground. | Oct 11 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | Not an inch. | Oct 11 15:10 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: it is where the weight is. | Oct 11 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's a much heavier car and the weight is distributed over a much larger area. | Oct 11 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | It handled alot better. | Oct 11 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, What are they up to in Australia? | Oct 11 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | Same clown cars they get in Europe? | Oct 11 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | They're starting to try to impose that on the normalfolk here. | Oct 11 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure that when nobody else can buy a V8 engine in a sedan, they'll still build one for our Glorious Dear Leader. | Oct 11 15:13 |
| MinceR | cars vary in size in europe :> | Oct 11 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | Well. | Oct 11 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | How fortunate. | Oct 11 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | One of those guys that's working on these apartments says he does detailing on the side. | Oct 11 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | He said he'd buff my Crown Vic for $50. | Oct 11 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | gets out all those little scratches and swirl marks. | Oct 11 15:29 |
| MinceR | swirlies | Oct 11 15:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Australian cop cars are mostly v8 holdens. | Oct 11 15:33 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: with lots and lots of alterations. | Oct 11 15:33 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: holden is Australian GM. In fact some of them are exported back to the USA. | Oct 11 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah I'll pay him $50 to buff it. | Oct 11 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | $100-$150 is pretty standard | Oct 11 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMOuEBVGLbs | Oct 11 15:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Tires in Muncie | Sparks Car Care - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvewb ] | Oct 11 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | RA F 6 seconds ago | Oct 11 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | "Looks like someone's in trouble". | Oct 11 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, their car broke down and now they're going to a shop that replaces parts at random. | Oct 11 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGuGhlL_wdo | Oct 11 15:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | STUPIDITY ALERT: IOS 7 Waterproof Hoax - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvex2 ] | Oct 11 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Oct 11 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | What impossible phone feature would I like the most? | Oct 11 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | One that has those point defense lasers from Andromeda, only instead of killing thousands of Magog, it would select anyone with an iPhone that got near me. | Oct 11 15:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 15:56 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, the light would take several years to get here from Andromeda | Oct 11 15:56 |
| MinceR | so you have to think ahead a bit. | Oct 11 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Andromeda Ascendant. | Oct 11 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 15:57 |
| MinceR | ? | Oct 11 15:57 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJYPkAqfwxY | Oct 11 15:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Andromeda Season 2 Intro HD - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvey9 ] | Oct 11 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 15:57 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArOhVfcRjU | Oct 11 15:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Andromeda Season 4 Intro HD - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fveyh ] | Oct 11 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That one. | Oct 11 15:58 |
| MinceR | can't watch videos now | Oct 11 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Ascendant | Oct 11 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Andromeda Ascendant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvez0 ] | Oct 11 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4116676319.html | Oct 11 16:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 93 TOYOTA CAMRY LE [ http://ur1.ca/fveze ] | Oct 11 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! | Oct 11 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | $2200 for a 93 Camry with 177000 miles. | Oct 11 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Get real! | Oct 11 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1p3vE6aOmA | Oct 11 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | A NEW CROP OF BIGOTS - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvezv ] | Oct 11 16:07 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 11 16:15 |
| iophk | piracy in Finland:http://yle.fi/uutiset/foreign_minister_possible_to_negotiate_finnish_prison_term_for_greenpeace_activist/6866829 | Oct 11 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yle.fi | Foreign Minister: Possible to negotiate Finnish prison term for Greenpeace activist | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi [ http://ur1.ca/fvf4r ] | Oct 11 16:30 |
| Sosumi | spot the differences | Oct 11 16:36 |
| Sosumi | http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/51b9ee8c6bb3f7d74e000035/the-new-mac-pro-looks-like-a-nyc-subway-trash-can.jpg | Oct 11 16:36 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 11 16:40 |
| Sosumi | I actually wouldn't mind one | Oct 11 16:46 |
| Sosumi | to make some pasta | Oct 11 16:46 |
| MinceR | how do you make pasta with a trash can? | Oct 11 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | Chef Boyardee | Oct 11 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dump directly into the trash can. | Oct 11 16:49 |
| Sosumi | you roll it over the pasta in order to make your 3 mile diameter pizza | Oct 11 16:50 |
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| Sosumi | challenge: make a raod cylinder with iTrashcans | Oct 11 16:51 |
| Sosumi | *road | Oct 11 16:51 |
| Sosumi | no non free software allowed | Oct 11 16:52 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 11 16:53 |
| Sosumi | and it must running of a cliff | Oct 11 16:53 |
| Sosumi | *be | Oct 11 16:53 |
| oiaohm | When I saw the new mac pro though of mining machine bushes. | Oct 11 17:02 |
| oiaohm | Yes the big suckers. | Oct 11 17:02 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/11/nokia_teases_tablet_laptop_phablet_unveil/ | Oct 11 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Nokia Teases Tablet, Laptop, and Phablet Unveil [ http://ur1.ca/fvfci ] | Oct 11 17:12 |
| Sosumi | micro$haft copying apple | Oct 11 17:13 |
| Sosumi | also, try to get a windows tax refund from a surface, for the kicks, lawl | Oct 11 17:14 |
| iophk | You probably can't get one for RT | Oct 11 17:20 |
| iophk | even the regular version probably has no EULA to complain against. | Oct 11 17:22 |
| iophk | Besides, it is crap hardware you'd be wasting money to make a point. | Oct 11 17:22 |
| Sosumi | that'd have to be done with pro version | Oct 11 17:49 |
| Sosumi | and you can always return the thing | Oct 11 17:49 |
| iophk | paranoia and surveillance as the new culture | Oct 11 17:57 |
| iophk | http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-10/thieves-spies-and-silicon-valley-startups-a-cautionary-tale | Oct 11 17:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.businessweek.com | Thieves, Spies, and Silicon Valley Startups: A Cautionary Tale - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/fvfi4 ] | Oct 11 17:57 |
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| MinceR | 181424 < Sosumi> also, try to get a windows tax refund from a surface, for the kicks, lawl | Oct 11 18:31 |
| MinceR | i would have to buy one for that | Oct 11 18:31 |
| MinceR | and that's not gonna happen. | Oct 11 18:31 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 11 18:34 |
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| iophk | http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-11/google-plans-to-include-users-faces-in-ads | Oct 11 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.businessweek.com | Google Is Going to Include Your Face in Its New Ads - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/fvftd ] | Oct 11 19:09 |
| MinceR | "Here’s how it works: You use Google+ to rate some product or service." | Oct 11 19:12 |
| MinceR | no i don't. :> | Oct 11 19:12 |
| iophk | ""Here’s how it works: You use Google+ " | Oct 11 19:13 |
| iophk | no I don't :> :> | Oct 11 19:13 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The trolls can't find witnesses to support them LOL | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | @ | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Hi Dr. Schestowitz, | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > I hope your Friday is going well. I am following up with an email I | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > sent you on August 27th regarding and Expert Witness Opportunity | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > for Parallel Iron LLC v. Adobe Systems Incorporated. I do not have a | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > phone number for you or I would call. | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > I | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > have a need for an Expert Witness for Parallel Iron LLC v. Adobe Systems | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Incorporated DED-1-12-cv-00874. | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > My client is the Plaintiff Team for Parallel Iron, LLC. | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > I need an expert witness that has both the necessary technical knowledge | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > and experience to testify at trial. | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > An expert with expertise in distributed file systems, such as Hadoop and | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > familiar with the | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Markman Hearing. | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > It appears as if that is within your expertise, correct? | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Is this something that you might be interested in pursuing? | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Do you have testifying experience? | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > There are 3 patents involved with this case, Patents #7197662, #7543177 | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > and #7958388. | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Please l | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > et me know your findings after you have reviewed the | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > patents | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > . | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > We can discuss timing, conflicts, parties and the specific patents when | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > we talk. | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions as I am always | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > happy to help. | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Have a wonderful weekend! | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Chris | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > -- | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Chris Gum | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Case Manager | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Beche Group IP Services | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > San Francisco/Silicon Valley CA | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > www.BecheIP.com <http://www.becheip.com/> | Oct 11 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.becheip.com | Beche Group IP Services | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Direct: 415.539.3072 | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Mobile: 925.548.3727 | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | @ | Oct 11 19:20 |
| iophk | Just trying to get you inside the border... | Oct 11 19:20 |
| iophk | The general advice (from Torvalds IIRC) was *not* to ever look at patents. | Oct 11 19:21 |
| iophk | It can bite you later. | Oct 11 19:22 |
| iophk | http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/ | Oct 11 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lwn.net | Re: large page patch (fwd) (fwd) [LWN.net] | Oct 11 19:22 |
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| iophk | http://sandiegofreepress.org/2013/10/less-popular-than-zombies-congressional-approval-rating-drops-to-single-digits/ | Oct 11 19:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | sandiegofreepress.org | Less Popular Than Zombies: Congressional Approval Rating Drops to Single Digits [ http://ur1.ca/fvfxw ] | Oct 11 19:43 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | 1x1 One Handed Solve 0.07 Secs - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvg1a ] | Oct 11 20:06 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://uncrunched.com/2013/10/08/unveiling-stealth-y-combinator-startup-urx/ | Oct 11 20:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | uncrunched.com | Unveiling Stealth Y Combinator Startup URX | Uncrunched [ http://ur1.ca/fvg47 ] | Oct 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: I thought it was 9% by some polls back in 2009 or so | Oct 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Lessig kept saying so in his talks | Oct 11 20:24 |
| iophk | It has stayed low, but right now it's very low because of the shutdown. | Oct 11 20:35 |
| iophk | but AFAIK it's been low double-digits | Oct 11 20:36 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/10/google-will-soon-put-your-face-name-and-content-in-its-ads/ | Oct 11 20:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Google will soon put your face, name, and content in its ads | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fvg9b ] | Oct 11 20:58 |
| iophk | M$ says DRM == privacy | Oct 11 21:11 |
| iophk | http://www.technologyreview.com/news/520226/microsoft-thinks-drm-can-solve-the-privacy-problem/ | Oct 11 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.technologyreview.com | Microsoft Thinks DRM Can Solve the Privacy Problem | MIT Technology Review [ http://ur1.ca/fvgb1 ] | Oct 11 21:11 |
| MinceR | they also equate DRM with "security" | Oct 11 21:12 |
| MinceR | then again, m$ has no idea what security or privacy are | Oct 11 21:12 |
| iophk | their market security | Oct 11 21:12 |
| iophk | you're right though they have no concept of privacy or security, just a lot of noise | Oct 11 21:13 |
| MinceR | also, just as DRM doesn't work for locking down media, it wouldn't work for privacy either | Oct 11 21:13 |
| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9243155/Skype_being_investigated_in_Luxembourg_over_NSA_spying_links | Oct 11 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com | Skype being investigated in Luxembourg over NSA spying links - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvgbj ] | Oct 11 21:16 |
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| _Goblin | mincer: DRM in ebook, was & is totally useless...it never gained the traction itunes did...almost from day one there was a "one click fix" | Oct 11 21:22 |
| MinceR | i know | Oct 11 21:22 |
| _Goblin | having said that....theres some "honesty to drm"....let me explain | Oct 11 21:23 |
| _Goblin | a certain publisher released drm free ebooks....so far so good... | Oct 11 21:23 |
| _Goblin | what they didn't mention was that when you ordered one "on the fly" it encoded the ebook with a set of characters that you wouldn't notice.... | Oct 11 21:23 |
| _Goblin | these characters were intended to track that copy of the ebook as they were unique to that purchase. | Oct 11 21:24 |
| MinceR | that's watermarking | Oct 11 21:24 |
| MinceR | and that can be removed too | Oct 11 21:24 |
| _Goblin | yep....but done with say, an extra space after a full stop on a certain page.. | Oct 11 21:24 |
| MinceR | if a human can read it then a human can type it and a camera can capture it | Oct 11 21:25 |
| MinceR | regardless of what tricks the DRM weenies employ in their magic boxes | Oct 11 21:25 |
| _Goblin | it wasn't "traditional" watermarking and was impossible to detect unless you had two different copies of the same ebook | Oct 11 21:25 |
| _Goblin | it was a very nasty little system because the end-user was oblivious to any such watermark...this is the type of "DRM" which could be abused . | Oct 11 21:26 |
| MinceR | at most it could be used to point out the source of some information | Oct 11 21:27 |
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| MinceR | but it wouldn't last long | Oct 11 21:27 |
| _Goblin | I think its sole purpose was to chase "pirates" find out the sharing source. | Oct 11 21:28 |
| MinceR | and the "pirates"' response was dewatermarking tools | Oct 11 21:28 |
| _Goblin | yep, but then a watermark done by say a varying number of spaces on a certain page to "encode" the purchaser details is almost impossible to remove, since you don't know where the "encoding" of the data is going to be.... | Oct 11 21:29 |
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| _Goblin | and to the reader on a kindle, you don't even notice any such "on the fly" encoding. | Oct 11 21:29 |
| MinceR | if you know what details watermarks consist of in a system, you can remove such details | Oct 11 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | what kinda CPU does that fly have? | Oct 11 21:30 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 11 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | just because it "can" compile | Oct 11 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | or encode | Oct 11 21:30 |
| MinceR | you can also have n pirates get together, bring n copies and use that to find and remove the watermark | Oct 11 21:31 |
| MinceR | and of course you could break into the system that does the watermarking and get an unwatermarked copy :> | Oct 11 21:32 |
| MinceR | or get random users' copies | Oct 11 21:32 |
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| Sosumi | well, my pict on google+ is a owl | Oct 11 21:36 |
| MinceR | so it's possible that an owl would endorse products? :> | Oct 11 21:36 |
| Sosumi | so it'd be hilarious if they indeed did adds with my supposed pict | Oct 11 21:37 |
| *MinceR awaits the first appearance of avatars to the effect of "don't buy this crap" :) | Oct 11 21:37 | |
| Sosumi | like, nightvision googles? | Oct 11 21:37 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 11 21:37 |
| ThistleWeb | "I'm an owl & I approve of this contact lens" | Oct 11 21:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 21:37 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, specsavers | Oct 11 21:37 |
| MinceR | or someone could use a picture of a rat | Oct 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | and upvote rat poison | Oct 11 21:38 |
| ThistleWeb | the window manager? | Oct 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | "tried it, was very tasty and nutritious!" | Oct 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | no, the physical one | Oct 11 21:38 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, the secret ingredient at mcdonalds | Oct 11 21:38 |
| Sosumi | and how can DRM solve privacy? | Oct 11 21:39 |
| ThistleWeb | it cant | Oct 11 21:39 |
| Sosumi | new M$ DRM, if you touch your computer, it'll turn off | Oct 11 21:39 |
| Sosumi | only available for surface pro and RT | Oct 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | it can't | Oct 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | it has been proven theoretically and empirically over and over | Oct 11 21:40 |
| Sosumi | well, ofc it can't | Oct 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | yet the simpletons at MAFIAA, m$ and crApple keep forcing it | Oct 11 21:40 |
| Sosumi | it's not just MAFIAA, but also the organizations M$ and crApple belong to | Oct 11 21:41 |
| Sosumi | like business software alliance and alikes | Oct 11 21:41 |
| Sosumi | add adobe there too and etc. | Oct 11 21:41 |
| MinceR | also, there's another problem with using DRM or watermarking to protect privacy: certain entities who have a backdoor to the DRM or don't need to worry about being found out (via watermarking or otherwise) could violate the privacy of individuals | Oct 11 21:42 |
| MinceR | but of course m$ doesn't care about the privacy of individuals | Oct 11 21:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, m$ and crApple cronies and front groups | Oct 11 21:42 |
| Sosumi | so in the end many of those companies act like cartels | Oct 11 21:42 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 11 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | DRM from companies like Microsoft isn't about preventing piracy, it's about locking you into their platforms | Oct 11 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | if you buys loads of stuff in their proprietary formats, it's gonna cost you more to switch to a different company next time, cos ya have to rebuy all your stuff | Oct 11 21:44 |
| MinceR | there's that | Oct 11 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's cheaper just to stay with the same company, and upgrade | Oct 11 21:44 |
| MinceR | it's even cheaper to pirate :> | Oct 11 21:45 |
| MinceR | then again, if m$ manages to kill the personal computer, it might change | Oct 11 21:45 |
| MinceR | but i don't think they can do that | Oct 11 21:45 |
| MinceR | their grip on computing is slipping | Oct 11 21:45 |
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| Sosumi | slipping to crApple and tablets :( | Oct 11 22:39 |
| __martin__ | at least hats are honest | Oct 11 22:39 |
| __martin__ | https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6-Beta/html/6.5_Release_Notes/bh-chap-security.html | Oct 11 22:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | access.redhat.com | Chapter 3. Security - Red Hat Customer Portal [ http://ur1.ca/fvgpa ] | Oct 11 22:39 |
| __martin__ | "NSA Suite B Cryptography Support | Oct 11 22:39 |
| __martin__ | Suite B is a set of cryptographic algorithms specified by the NSA as part of its Cryptographic Modernization Program. It serves as an interoperable cryptographic base for both unclassified information and most classified information. It includes: | Oct 11 22:39 |
| __martin__ | Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) with key sizes of 128 and 256 bits. For traffic flow, AES should be used with either Counter Mode (CTR) for low bandwidth traffic or Galois/Counter Mode (GCM) of operation for high bandwidth traffic and symmetric encryption. Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) digital signatures. Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellman (ECDH) key agreement. | Oct 11 22:39 |
| __martin__ | Secue Hash Algorituhm 2 (SHA-256 and SHA-384) message digest. | Oct 11 22:40 |
| __martin__ | "* | Oct 11 22:40 |
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| __martin__ | does the custom IPTV set-top-box usage of a second provider on a line/fiber offered/leased within comptenecy of a first provider without subscribing to his own TV service gives him the right to block such an operation? isn't that network neutrality violation?! | Oct 11 22:45 |
| __martin__ | give* | Oct 11 22:46 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4122237737.html | Oct 11 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles [ http://ur1.ca/fvc6m ] | Oct 11 05:08 |
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| DaemonFC | Some guy on an ipad asked me what the lowest I'd go on it would be. | Oct 11 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | I told him probably $800 if he gets over here tomorrow. | Oct 11 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | I probably won't get much more than that. | Oct 11 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | If he tries to get me lower than that I'm going to tell him "Look. It's 2013. You're lucky to get something that makes it down the road for less than $1,000." | Oct 11 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://youtu.be/935xZdnVwq4 | Oct 11 05:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bill HIcks - Officer Nigger Hater - YouTube | Oct 11 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | I bought the 1996 Crown Victoria LX. | Oct 11 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | It is SUCH a nice car. | Oct 11 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | I spent most of the afternoon changing the oil, then going through the car wash, vacuuming, shampooing, going over the interior with armor all, and then turtle waxing it. | Oct 11 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 11 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://youtu.be/tsOWSDtxERU | Oct 11 05:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | 400 Cops - VS - Two heavily-armed and armored bank robbers / True events 1997 - YouTube | Oct 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | If I was the cop, I'd stay behind the front end of the car. | Oct 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | Those bullets probably wouldn't go through the engine block and out the other end. | Oct 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, On Monday I'm going to go ahead and do the coolant flush. I decided to do that myself. | Oct 11 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart had all the stuff I needed for about $15. | Oct 11 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I could do it myself and save some cash. | Oct 11 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | The Crown Victoria is a pretty fuel efficient car for its size. | Oct 11 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | I've done quite a bit of driving today and it's telling me I'm getting 20.2 mpg. | Oct 11 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | The guy never replied to my email. | Oct 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | What the fuck does he think he's buying? | Oct 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | If he wants to go below $800 on my old car, he can just buy himself a damned bicycle. | Oct 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | Does he expect me to give it to him for free? | Oct 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | If I can't get $800 out of it, I'll just give it to family so they can finish it off. | Oct 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | It has probably got a good 3-4 years left. | Oct 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | $800 is like two months of car payments these days. | Oct 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's a good deal. | Oct 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | I get in these funny arguments with Dave. | Oct 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | He's a Buick fan, I'm a Ford fan. :P | Oct 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | While Buick cars tend to be good by GM standards, everything GM makes is a money pit. | Oct 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | My mom even had to replace her rack and pinion steering on the Impala. | Oct 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | That was like $800! | Oct 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | It went out a few months after the warranty expired. | Oct 11 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | That's GM for you. | Oct 11 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | You get a nice full size Ford, and you're still driving it 30 years later. | Oct 11 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | I actually ran into another guy driving a Crown Victoria at the gas station today. | Oct 11 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | His was a 1991. | Oct 11 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | Asked him how many miles he had on his. | Oct 11 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | He said 392,000. | Oct 11 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | Just took it to Florida and back, he said. | Oct 11 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 11 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | Too many disposable clown cars out there. | Oct 11 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ford killed the Vic in 2011. | Oct 11 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | You can't get a Ford car with anything larger than a 3.8 liter DOHC V6 now. | Oct 11 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | damned government | Oct 11 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | If they would start putting out Compressed Natural Gas models, we could run big V8s for a LONG time to come. | Oct 11 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | It's all about how much the peasants are allowed to have. | Oct 11 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 11 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | The economy is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing with globalization, automation, and the abandonment of most of the displaced workers. | Oct 11 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Rich people and corporations have no conscience. It should be the government's job to protect people from corporations, but it's really usually the other way around, and now they're coming for your retirement money. | Oct 11 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sleep tight. | Oct 11 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://store.progressivebumperstickers.com/product.php?xProd=937&xSec=14 | Oct 11 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Oct 11 06:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | store.progressivebumperstickers.com | Progressive Bumper Stickers - Liberal, Democratic > VOTE DEMOCRATIC - We're not perfect, but they're nuts. (Barney Frank) [ http://ur1.ca/fvcg9 ] | Oct 11 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.democraticstuff.com/Please_Don_t_Put_My_Flag_On_Your_Foreign_Car_Bumper_Sticker_BS30173 | Oct 11 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.democraticstuff.com | Democratic Stuff - Please Don't Put My Flag On Your Foreign Car Bumper Sticker [ http://ur1.ca/fvcgz ] | Oct 11 06:28 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/product5560.html | Oct 11 06:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.evolvefish.com | Robme - Deceive in America Sticker - EvolveFISH and TheLiberalStore.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvcht ] | Oct 11 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Oct 11 06:30 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cafepress.com/mf/27824830/push-a-ford_sticker | Oct 11 06:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cafepress.com | PUSH A FORD Sticker by Admin_CP3653451 [ http://ur1.ca/fvcig ] | Oct 11 06:34 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Warning-Tampering-Bumper-Window-Sticker/dp/B00B601FUW/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1381469894&sr=8-15&keywords=ford+bumper+sticker | Oct 11 06:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Warning Tampering with Ford Funny Bumper Window Car Truck Sticker Decal: Everything Else [ http://ur1.ca/fvcj0 ] | Oct 11 06:38 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: "tire kickers"? :) | Oct 11 07:00 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Idiots that don't plan to buy the car but come out and waste your time. | Oct 11 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 07:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Warning-Tampering-Bumper-Window-Sticker/dp/B00B601FUW/ | Oct 11 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Warning Tampering with Ford Funny Bumper Window Car Truck Sticker Decal: Everything Else [ http://ur1.ca/fvcph ] | Oct 11 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | I need to get this. | Oct 11 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Little-peeing-Chevy-Window-Sticker/dp/B00CM0CCZ2/ | Oct 11 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Little Guy peeing on Chevy logo Car Window Vinyl Decal Sticker 5" Wide (Color: White): Everything Else [ http://ur1.ca/fvcpm ] | Oct 11 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tiptopsigns.com/images/D/BAD_iratherpushafordthandriveachevy.jpg | Oct 11 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://images.craigslist.org/00v0v_ghtmkZ4Y7V9_600x450.jpg | Oct 11 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | The Crown Vic is the red car in the background. | Oct 11 07:48 |
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| iophk | http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/04/trans-pacific-partnership_n_4039357.html | Oct 11 09:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.huffingtonpost.ca | Trans-Pacific Partnership Talks Headed For Finish Line Amid Official Secrecy [ http://ur1.ca/fvd3t ] | Oct 11 09:16 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 11 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://drunkdialcongress.org/ | Oct 11 09:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | drunkdialcongress.org | Drunk Dial Congress | Oct 11 09:26 |
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| iophk | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/10/2241225/the-w3c-sells-out-users-without-seeming-to-get-anything-in-return | Oct 11 10:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | The W3C Sells Out Users Without Seeming To Get Anything In Return - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fvdal ] | Oct 11 10:09 |
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| iophk | No Snowden : | Oct 11 10:38 |
| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/12/world/chemical-weapons-watchdog-wins-nobel-peace-prize.html | Oct 11 10:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/fvder ] | Oct 11 10:39 |
| iophk | http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/10/10/lavabits-founder-has-an-idea-make-his-code-open-source/ | Oct 11 10:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.wsj.com | Lavabit's Founder Has An Idea: Make His Code Open Source - Digits - WSJ [ http://ur1.ca/fvdf3 ] | Oct 11 10:42 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com.au | EU court holds news website liable for readers' comments - Internet-based applications and services, european union, legal, Civil lawsuits, internet - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvdmv ] | Oct 11 11:31 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/seized-torrent-domains-must-be-released-says-domain-registrar-131011/ | Oct 11 11:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Seized Torrent Domains Must Be Released Says Domain Registrar | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fvdnq ] | Oct 11 11:39 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | Microsoft hiring http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2013/Aug-22.html | Oct 11 12:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tirania.org | Hiring Developers - Miguel de Icaza [ http://ur1.ca/fvdqx ] | Oct 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz_log_ | Mini Microsofgt | Oct 11 12:02 |
| iophk | too bad | Oct 11 12:03 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/61865-facebook-removes-more-privacy | Oct 11 12:05 |
| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9243143/Everyone_will_soon_be_searchable_on_Facebook | Oct 11 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | Facebook removes more privacy [ http://ur1.ca/fvdvf ] | Oct 11 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com | Everyone will soon be searchable on Facebook - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvdvh ] | Oct 11 12:05 |
| iophk | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10371793/Facebook-removes-option-to-hide-your-name-in-search.html | Oct 11 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.telegraph.co.uk | Facebook removes option to hide your name in search - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/fvdx0 ] | Oct 11 12:07 |
| iophk | http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2299785/nokia-cuts-symbian-and-meego-support-early-to-make-way-for-more-lumia-smartphones | Oct 11 12:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.v3.co.uk | Nokia cuts Symbian and MeeGo support early to make way for more Lumia smartphones - IT News from V3.co.uk [ http://ur1.ca/fvdx6 ] | Oct 11 12:08 |
| iophk | Can Sailfish be loaded on old Nokias? | Oct 11 12:08 |
| MinceR | i doubt it | Oct 11 12:08 |
| MinceR | but i don't really know | Oct 11 12:09 |
| iophk | I wouldn't expect that they would go out of their way to add it. There are not many such old phones on the market. | Oct 11 12:17 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the answer is no. | Oct 11 12:32 |
| oiaohm | iophk: except for a few rare models like the N9 | Oct 11 12:33 |
| oiaohm | iophk: most of the nokias cannot to run Linux the drivers required don't exist in the Linux kernel. | Oct 11 12:34 |
| iophk | http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List | Oct 11 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.w3.org | Current Members - W3C | Oct 11 12:36 |
| iophk | No Vanunu either : http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chemical-weapons-watchdog-wins-nobel-peace-prize/2013/10/11/e656a87c-3254-11e3-ad00-ec4c6b31cbed_story.html | Oct 11 12:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.washingtonpost.com | Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons wins 2013 Nobel Peace Prize - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/fve0t ] | Oct 11 12:41 |
| iophk | these awards are becoming pointless | Oct 11 12:41 |
| oiaohm | iophk: really it shows the lack of quality we have in the peace camp. | Oct 11 12:42 |
| iophk | Then on Monday the Swedish bankers will have the gall to pretend to award a Nobel prize, using misdirection and confusion to try to gain prestige. | Oct 11 12:47 |
| iophk | all for a pseudo-science | Oct 11 12:55 |
| iophk | The EU court decision about reader comments is a further assault on anonymity or even pseudo-anonymity | Oct 11 13:00 |
| oiaohm | iophk: really its the same legal limitation on using a soapbox in the street. | Oct 11 13:12 |
| iophk | basically | Oct 11 13:54 |
| iophk | peaceable assembly now occurs online | Oct 11 13:54 |
| oiaohm | iophk: really we need true p2p private zones. | Oct 11 14:08 |
| iophk | used to have usenet, that was p2p if not quite private | Oct 11 14:08 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/G9pgrQN.jpg | Oct 11 14:09 |
| oiaohm | iophk: not really the data in usenet was long term stored on public storage. | Oct 11 14:10 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I hate Craigslist. | Oct 11 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | Re: 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles - $1000 (Huntington) | Oct 11 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | From: Andrew Hamilton | Oct 11 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | 600 | Oct 11 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | Sent from my iPhone | Oct 11 14:32 |
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| DaemonFC | From: Me | Oct 11 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | To: Andrew Hamilton | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | Re: 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles - $1000 (Huntington) | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | On 10/11/2013 06:53 AM, Andrew wrote: | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | > 600 | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | > | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | > Sent from my iPhone | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | > | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | > | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry. If I have to go much lower than $800, I'd rather give it to family. | Oct 11 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | If he emails me again it better be for $800 or I'm going to lay into him. | Oct 11 14:33 |
| MinceR | he doesn't seem to be literate | Oct 11 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | "No. Seriously. I said $800. I'm not going to sit here today and let you murder me on a car that runs fine from your iCrap. Buy an Android phone next time and you'll be able to afford something more than a nice bicycle." | Oct 11 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry, Andrew! | Oct 11 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 14:34 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 11 14:35 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, He should be thrilled to find my Taurus for $800. | Oct 11 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | Unless he wants to save up a few thousand, he's not going to find anything much better. | Oct 11 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | I just want it out of my driveway. | Oct 11 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | $800 for a car that has no major mechanical issues, has four new tires, and a full tank of gas is basically giving it away. | Oct 11 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | My Crown Victoria ran over your Honda, and your iPhone, and your honor student. | Oct 11 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | Take that, RRRobert. | Oct 11 14:39 |
| MinceR | don't diss hondas, they're more reliable than fords. :> | Oct 11 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | LOL! | Oct 11 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | They're not good vehicles. They're just expensive because it's hard to find a used one that hasn't been used as a self-abuse project by a teenager. | Oct 11 14:40 |
| MinceR | i did not refer to their price. | Oct 11 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | At least some of them are figuring out that if you want to deck something out for cheap, get a Crown Vic P71. | Oct 11 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Crown_Victoria_Police_Interceptor | Oct 11 14:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvem5 ] | Oct 11 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Police_of_Los_Angeles.jpg | Oct 11 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | See, even the LARD figured out what kind of car to buy. :) | Oct 11 14:42 |
| MinceR | or they were mandated to buy something from the USA | Oct 11 14:43 |
| MinceR | or they were mandated to buy big and heavy vehicles | Oct 11 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | They don't have to. | Oct 11 14:43 |
| MinceR | and honda doesn't do those | Oct 11 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | There's no federal law demanding that. | Oct 11 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | If there was a more cost effective import that could hold up under their use case, at least the majority of states would allow them to buy it. | Oct 11 14:44 |
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| DaemonFC | Ford finally phased out the Crown Vic in 2011. | Oct 11 14:44 |
| MinceR | (big and heavy _does_ look like something that's useful for police forces) | Oct 11 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | They stopped selling them retail in 2004 I believe. | Oct 11 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | You have to get them at Fleet auctions now if you want one newer than that. | Oct 11 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they switched to Dodge Chargers now. | Oct 11 14:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is a catch here. Big Heavy without the safety features will equal dead police. | Oct 11 14:45 |
| *MinceR dodges a charger | Oct 11 14:45 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: aren't those safety features mandatory though? | Oct 11 14:45 |
| MinceR | also, small and light would still mean dead police, wouldn't it? :> | Oct 11 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/NYPD_Dodge_Charger_Police_Interceptor_2909.jpg/791px-NYPD_Dodge_Charger_Police_Interceptor_2909.jpg | Oct 11 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, No. | Oct 11 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | The Crown Vic is a big rugged cost-effective vehicle that is extremely fast. | Oct 11 14:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: police vehicals have a lot of alterations to make them stronger to being intentionally tboned and other things. | Oct 11 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | and it gives them a big V8 engine to hide behind when they're being shot at. | Oct 11 14:46 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: with such a huge engine it had better be fast | Oct 11 14:46 |
| MinceR | if they can accelerate it in a straight section, anyway :> | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/12/17/16/35/1997_ford_crown_victoria_4_dr_s_sedan-pic-4795679885609224471.jpeg | Oct 11 14:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: heck the highspeed Australian police cars are warped. | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | There's one LIKE the one I just bought. | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | same color, same rims | Oct 11 14:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the highspeed cars are self frame straighting after crash. | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | same hubcaps | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | my tires are better though. | Oct 11 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | brand new Michelins. | Oct 11 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | I priced them out at Wertenberger Tire, and they said they'd sell four of what I have for just over $900 after tax. | Oct 11 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | That old lady must have been loaded. | Oct 11 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | She went to the dealer for everything. She even had them fill out the service record on the owner manual and sign and date it. | Oct 11 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Rich old lady. | Oct 11 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's where you find the best used cars. | Oct 11 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | They sell them cheap because they just want them out of the driveway. | Oct 11 14:51 |
| MinceR | which rich old lady sells new cars? :> | Oct 11 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | and quite often there's not a thing wrong with them | Oct 11 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | oh, there's probably a few women that run new car lots | Oct 11 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | although I haven't ever seen it happen. | Oct 11 14:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | The finance lady at Mike Anderson Dodge offered to put me in an '04 Crown Vic with 131,000 miles on it for $7,500. | Oct 11 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | and it wasn't even the LX | Oct 11 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | I got my 1996 Crown Vic LX for $2,200, with full maintenance records. | Oct 11 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | and it has 94,700 miles on it | Oct 11 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | Those dealerships really know how to fuck you, MinceR | Oct 11 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | and after you pay them for all that, they figure out fees to add onto it. | Oct 11 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | so it was really more like $7,800 + tax by the time I got done dealing with Mike Anderson Dodge. | Oct 11 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | What an awful deal. | Oct 11 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | I told her that I wouldn't feel right paying more than $4,000 for that car, and that's only because it was an '04. | Oct 11 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | Age has a really high weight on the value of a car. | Oct 11 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | I know not why. | Oct 11 14:56 |
| MinceR | the older it is, the more chances people had to damage it :> | Oct 11 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | There's this several year range where you get them cheap, and then after 25 years, the price goes up again. | Oct 11 14:57 |
| MinceR | everything gets worse | Oct 11 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | because now it's a "classic car" | Oct 11 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Not really. | Oct 11 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, some of these newer models have so much MANDATORY shit in them that I do not want. | Oct 11 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | Like Microsoft and Onstar. | Oct 11 14:58 |
| MinceR | i mean a given car, once manufactured, always get worse | Oct 11 14:59 |
| MinceR | s/get/gets/ | Oct 11 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | There's not much difference between a 2000 Impala and a new one. The body style changed a little bit and they have mandatory Onstar. | Oct 11 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | and they get less reliable the newer you go | Oct 11 14:59 |
| MinceR | it gets worn, polluted, damaged, repaired, etc. | Oct 11 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | The car companies pay incentives for engineers to sit around figuring out how to make things $5 cheaper. | Oct 11 15:00 |
| MinceR | people you don't know get their mitts all over it :> | Oct 11 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | Enough of that goes on, and your car starts having all kinds of reliability nightmares. | Oct 11 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | It hasn't gotten any better in the last few years. | Oct 11 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | I feel better driving a used Crown Vic than some of what they sell new. | Oct 11 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | Like, Ford will sell you a Focus now for like $20,000 by the time you get the one with the stuff that everyone wants on it. | Oct 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | well, if it got things like mandatory m$ and onstar, it might well be better than the newer _models_ | Oct 11 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | Just basic stuff like auto transmission. | Oct 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | i mean if the newer models have them | Oct 11 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | and an engine that actually moves the car | Oct 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 11 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I always tell people... If you want a car for 10 years, get a Focus. If you want a car for 20+ years, spring for the Taurus. | Oct 11 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | It's a much nicer car. Even the base model. | Oct 11 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | And it's not that much more. | Oct 11 15:03 |
| MinceR | is the usian Focus anything like the european Focus? | Oct 11 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | You'd think that when people are sitting around deciding to commit to a car payment, they'd want to enjoy another 14 years without one when the payments stop. | Oct 11 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's more or less the same thing. | Oct 11 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | I ran into an older guy at the gas station, MinceR. He had a 1992 Crown Vic. I asked him how it was treating him. | Oct 11 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | He said he had 392,000+ miles on it. | Oct 11 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | I asked him what he did to it. He said "Bought it in 1992 and changed some fluids, filters, and some other minor things." | Oct 11 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | I don't doubt that it's a 30+ year car. | Oct 11 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It gets about the same gas mileage as my Taurus. | Oct 11 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | I was watching the computer cycle through various data and it said I was averaging 20.2 mpg. | Oct 11 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | I bet I could get that up when I go to tune it up here soon. | Oct 11 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | It gets better mileage than my grandmother's Cadillac. | Oct 11 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | I was watching her drive her '04 around, and her computer says she was getting about 15 mpg. | Oct 11 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | I need to go to Walmart today and get some turtle wax. | Oct 11 15:09 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: something to take into account here. Gizmos have weight. | Oct 11 15:09 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: ie electric windows are heavier than manual and the list goes on. | Oct 11 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Yeah, that train track that sent the Taurus flying the other day. | Oct 11 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | Didn't even bring the Crown Vic off the ground. | Oct 11 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | Not an inch. | Oct 11 15:10 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: it is where the weight is. | Oct 11 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's a much heavier car and the weight is distributed over a much larger area. | Oct 11 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | It handled alot better. | Oct 11 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, What are they up to in Australia? | Oct 11 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | Same clown cars they get in Europe? | Oct 11 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | They're starting to try to impose that on the normalfolk here. | Oct 11 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure that when nobody else can buy a V8 engine in a sedan, they'll still build one for our Glorious Dear Leader. | Oct 11 15:13 |
| MinceR | cars vary in size in europe :> | Oct 11 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | Well. | Oct 11 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | How fortunate. | Oct 11 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | One of those guys that's working on these apartments says he does detailing on the side. | Oct 11 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | He said he'd buff my Crown Vic for $50. | Oct 11 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | gets out all those little scratches and swirl marks. | Oct 11 15:29 |
| MinceR | swirlies | Oct 11 15:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Australian cop cars are mostly v8 holdens. | Oct 11 15:33 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: with lots and lots of alterations. | Oct 11 15:33 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: holden is Australian GM. In fact some of them are exported back to the USA. | Oct 11 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah I'll pay him $50 to buff it. | Oct 11 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | $100-$150 is pretty standard | Oct 11 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMOuEBVGLbs | Oct 11 15:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Tires in Muncie | Sparks Car Care - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvewb ] | Oct 11 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | RA F 6 seconds ago | Oct 11 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | "Looks like someone's in trouble". | Oct 11 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, their car broke down and now they're going to a shop that replaces parts at random. | Oct 11 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGuGhlL_wdo | Oct 11 15:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | STUPIDITY ALERT: IOS 7 Waterproof Hoax - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvex2 ] | Oct 11 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Oct 11 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | What impossible phone feature would I like the most? | Oct 11 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | One that has those point defense lasers from Andromeda, only instead of killing thousands of Magog, it would select anyone with an iPhone that got near me. | Oct 11 15:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 15:56 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, the light would take several years to get here from Andromeda | Oct 11 15:56 |
| MinceR | so you have to think ahead a bit. | Oct 11 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Andromeda Ascendant. | Oct 11 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 15:57 |
| MinceR | ? | Oct 11 15:57 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJYPkAqfwxY | Oct 11 15:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Andromeda Season 2 Intro HD - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvey9 ] | Oct 11 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 15:57 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArOhVfcRjU | Oct 11 15:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Andromeda Season 4 Intro HD - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fveyh ] | Oct 11 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That one. | Oct 11 15:58 |
| MinceR | can't watch videos now | Oct 11 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Ascendant | Oct 11 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Andromeda Ascendant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvez0 ] | Oct 11 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4116676319.html | Oct 11 16:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 93 TOYOTA CAMRY LE [ http://ur1.ca/fveze ] | Oct 11 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! | Oct 11 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | $2200 for a 93 Camry with 177000 miles. | Oct 11 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Get real! | Oct 11 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1p3vE6aOmA | Oct 11 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | A NEW CROP OF BIGOTS - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvezv ] | Oct 11 16:07 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 11 16:15 |
| iophk | piracy in Finland:http://yle.fi/uutiset/foreign_minister_possible_to_negotiate_finnish_prison_term_for_greenpeace_activist/6866829 | Oct 11 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yle.fi | Foreign Minister: Possible to negotiate Finnish prison term for Greenpeace activist | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi [ http://ur1.ca/fvf4r ] | Oct 11 16:30 |
| Sosumi | spot the differences | Oct 11 16:36 |
| Sosumi | http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/51b9ee8c6bb3f7d74e000035/the-new-mac-pro-looks-like-a-nyc-subway-trash-can.jpg | Oct 11 16:36 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 11 16:40 |
| Sosumi | I actually wouldn't mind one | Oct 11 16:46 |
| Sosumi | to make some pasta | Oct 11 16:46 |
| MinceR | how do you make pasta with a trash can? | Oct 11 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | Chef Boyardee | Oct 11 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dump directly into the trash can. | Oct 11 16:49 |
| Sosumi | you roll it over the pasta in order to make your 3 mile diameter pizza | Oct 11 16:50 |
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| Sosumi | challenge: make a raod cylinder with iTrashcans | Oct 11 16:51 |
| Sosumi | *road | Oct 11 16:52 |
| Sosumi | no non free software allowed | Oct 11 16:52 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 11 16:53 |
| Sosumi | and it must running of a cliff | Oct 11 16:53 |
| Sosumi | *be | Oct 11 16:53 |
| oiaohm | When I saw the new mac pro though of mining machine bushes. | Oct 11 17:02 |
| oiaohm | Yes the big suckers. | Oct 11 17:02 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/11/nokia_teases_tablet_laptop_phablet_unveil/ | Oct 11 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Nokia Teases Tablet, Laptop, and Phablet Unveil [ http://ur1.ca/fvfci ] | Oct 11 17:12 |
| Sosumi | micro$haft copying apple | Oct 11 17:13 |
| Sosumi | also, try to get a windows tax refund from a surface, for the kicks, lawl | Oct 11 17:14 |
| iophk | You probably can't get one for RT | Oct 11 17:20 |
| iophk | even the regular version probably has no EULA to complain against. | Oct 11 17:22 |
| iophk | Besides, it is crap hardware you'd be wasting money to make a point. | Oct 11 17:22 |
| Sosumi | that'd have to be done with pro version | Oct 11 17:49 |
| Sosumi | and you can always return the thing | Oct 11 17:49 |
| iophk | paranoia and surveillance as the new culture | Oct 11 17:57 |
| iophk | http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-10/thieves-spies-and-silicon-valley-startups-a-cautionary-tale | Oct 11 17:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.businessweek.com | Thieves, Spies, and Silicon Valley Startups: A Cautionary Tale - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/fvfi4 ] | Oct 11 17:57 |
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| MinceR | 181424 < Sosumi> also, try to get a windows tax refund from a surface, for the kicks, lawl | Oct 11 18:31 |
| MinceR | i would have to buy one for that | Oct 11 18:31 |
| MinceR | and that's not gonna happen. | Oct 11 18:31 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 11 18:34 |
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| iophk | http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-11/google-plans-to-include-users-faces-in-ads | Oct 11 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.businessweek.com | Google Is Going to Include Your Face in Its New Ads - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/fvftd ] | Oct 11 19:09 |
| MinceR | "Here’s how it works: You use Google+ to rate some product or service." | Oct 11 19:12 |
| MinceR | no i don't. :> | Oct 11 19:13 |
| iophk | ""Here’s how it works: You use Google+ " | Oct 11 19:13 |
| iophk | no I don't :> :> | Oct 11 19:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The trolls can't find witnesses to support them LOL | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | @ | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Hi Dr. Schestowitz, | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > I hope your Friday is going well. I am following up with an email I | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > sent you on August 27th regarding and Expert Witness Opportunity | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > for Parallel Iron LLC v. Adobe Systems Incorporated. I do not have a | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > phone number for you or I would call. | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > I | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > have a need for an Expert Witness for Parallel Iron LLC v. Adobe Systems | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Incorporated DED-1-12-cv-00874. | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > My client is the Plaintiff Team for Parallel Iron, LLC. | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > I need an expert witness that has both the necessary technical knowledge | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > and experience to testify at trial. | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > An expert with expertise in distributed file systems, such as Hadoop and | Oct 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > familiar with the | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Markman Hearing. | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > It appears as if that is within your expertise, correct? | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Is this something that you might be interested in pursuing? | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Do you have testifying experience? | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > There are 3 patents involved with this case, Patents #7197662, #7543177 | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > and #7958388. | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Please l | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > et me know your findings after you have reviewed the | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > patents | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > . | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > We can discuss timing, conflicts, parties and the specific patents when | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > we talk. | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions as I am always | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > happy to help. | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Have a wonderful weekend! | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Chris | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > -- | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Chris Gum | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Case Manager | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Beche Group IP Services | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > San Francisco/Silicon Valley CA | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > www.BecheIP.com <http://www.becheip.com/> | Oct 11 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.becheip.com | Beche Group IP Services | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Direct: 415.539.3072 | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Mobile: 925.548.3727 | Oct 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | @ | Oct 11 19:20 |
| iophk | Just trying to get you inside the border... | Oct 11 19:20 |
| iophk | The general advice (from Torvalds IIRC) was *not* to ever look at patents. | Oct 11 19:21 |
| iophk | It can bite you later. | Oct 11 19:22 |
| iophk | http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/ | Oct 11 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lwn.net | Re: large page patch (fwd) (fwd) [LWN.net] | Oct 11 19:22 |
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| iophk | http://sandiegofreepress.org/2013/10/less-popular-than-zombies-congressional-approval-rating-drops-to-single-digits/ | Oct 11 19:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | sandiegofreepress.org | Less Popular Than Zombies: Congressional Approval Rating Drops to Single Digits [ http://ur1.ca/fvfxw ] | Oct 11 19:43 |
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| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTjfH0x4cQ | Oct 11 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | 1x1 One Handed Solve 0.07 Secs - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvg1a ] | Oct 11 20:06 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://uncrunched.com/2013/10/08/unveiling-stealth-y-combinator-startup-urx/ | Oct 11 20:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | uncrunched.com | Unveiling Stealth Y Combinator Startup URX | Uncrunched [ http://ur1.ca/fvg47 ] | Oct 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: I thought it was 9% by some polls back in 2009 or so | Oct 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Lessig kept saying so in his talks | Oct 11 20:24 |
| iophk | It has stayed low, but right now it's very low because of the shutdown. | Oct 11 20:35 |
| iophk | but AFAIK it's been low double-digits | Oct 11 20:36 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/10/google-will-soon-put-your-face-name-and-content-in-its-ads/ | Oct 11 20:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Google will soon put your face, name, and content in its ads | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fvg9b ] | Oct 11 20:58 |
| iophk | M$ says DRM == privacy | Oct 11 21:11 |
| iophk | http://www.technologyreview.com/news/520226/microsoft-thinks-drm-can-solve-the-privacy-problem/ | Oct 11 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.technologyreview.com | Microsoft Thinks DRM Can Solve the Privacy Problem | MIT Technology Review [ http://ur1.ca/fvgb1 ] | Oct 11 21:11 |
| MinceR | they also equate DRM with "security" | Oct 11 21:12 |
| MinceR | then again, m$ has no idea what security or privacy are | Oct 11 21:12 |
| iophk | their market security | Oct 11 21:12 |
| iophk | you're right though they have no concept of privacy or security, just a lot of noise | Oct 11 21:13 |
| MinceR | also, just as DRM doesn't work for locking down media, it wouldn't work for privacy either | Oct 11 21:13 |
| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9243155/Skype_being_investigated_in_Luxembourg_over_NSA_spying_links | Oct 11 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com | Skype being investigated in Luxembourg over NSA spying links - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvgbj ] | Oct 11 21:16 |
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| _Goblin | mincer: DRM in ebook, was & is totally useless...it never gained the traction itunes did...almost from day one there was a "one click fix" | Oct 11 21:22 |
| MinceR | i know | Oct 11 21:22 |
| _Goblin | having said that....theres some "honesty to drm"....let me explain | Oct 11 21:23 |
| _Goblin | a certain publisher released drm free ebooks....so far so good... | Oct 11 21:23 |
| _Goblin | what they didn't mention was that when you ordered one "on the fly" it encoded the ebook with a set of characters that you wouldn't notice.... | Oct 11 21:24 |
| _Goblin | these characters were intended to track that copy of the ebook as they were unique to that purchase. | Oct 11 21:24 |
| MinceR | that's watermarking | Oct 11 21:24 |
| MinceR | and that can be removed too | Oct 11 21:24 |
| _Goblin | yep....but done with say, an extra space after a full stop on a certain page.. | Oct 11 21:24 |
| MinceR | if a human can read it then a human can type it and a camera can capture it | Oct 11 21:25 |
| MinceR | regardless of what tricks the DRM weenies employ in their magic boxes | Oct 11 21:25 |
| _Goblin | it wasn't "traditional" watermarking and was impossible to detect unless you had two different copies of the same ebook | Oct 11 21:25 |
| _Goblin | it was a very nasty little system because the end-user was oblivious to any such watermark...this is the type of "DRM" which could be abused . | Oct 11 21:26 |
| MinceR | at most it could be used to point out the source of some information | Oct 11 21:27 |
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| MinceR | but it wouldn't last long | Oct 11 21:27 |
| _Goblin | I think its sole purpose was to chase "pirates" find out the sharing source. | Oct 11 21:28 |
| MinceR | and the "pirates"' response was dewatermarking tools | Oct 11 21:28 |
| _Goblin | yep, but then a watermark done by say a varying number of spaces on a certain page to "encode" the purchaser details is almost impossible to remove, since you don't know where the "encoding" of the data is going to be.... | Oct 11 21:29 |
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| _Goblin | and to the reader on a kindle, you don't even notice any such "on the fly" encoding. | Oct 11 21:29 |
| MinceR | if you know what details watermarks consist of in a system, you can remove such details | Oct 11 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | what kinda CPU does that fly have? | Oct 11 21:30 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 11 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | just because it "can" compile | Oct 11 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | or encode | Oct 11 21:30 |
| MinceR | you can also have n pirates get together, bring n copies and use that to find and remove the watermark | Oct 11 21:31 |
| MinceR | and of course you could break into the system that does the watermarking and get an unwatermarked copy :> | Oct 11 21:32 |
| MinceR | or get random users' copies | Oct 11 21:32 |
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| Sosumi | well, my pict on google+ is a owl | Oct 11 21:36 |
| MinceR | so it's possible that an owl would endorse products? :> | Oct 11 21:36 |
| Sosumi | so it'd be hilarious if they indeed did adds with my supposed pict | Oct 11 21:37 |
| *MinceR awaits the first appearance of avatars to the effect of "don't buy this crap" :) | Oct 11 21:37 | |
| Sosumi | like, nightvision googles? | Oct 11 21:37 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 11 21:37 |
| ThistleWeb | "I'm an owl & I approve of this contact lens" | Oct 11 21:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 21:37 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, specsavers | Oct 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | or someone could use a picture of a rat | Oct 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | and upvote rat poison | Oct 11 21:38 |
| ThistleWeb | the window manager? | Oct 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | "tried it, was very tasty and nutritious!" | Oct 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | no, the physical one | Oct 11 21:38 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, the secret ingredient at mcdonalds | Oct 11 21:39 |
| Sosumi | and how can DRM solve privacy? | Oct 11 21:39 |
| ThistleWeb | it cant | Oct 11 21:39 |
| Sosumi | new M$ DRM, if you touch your computer, it'll turn off | Oct 11 21:39 |
| Sosumi | only available for surface pro and RT | Oct 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | it can't | Oct 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | it has been proven theoretically and empirically over and over | Oct 11 21:40 |
| Sosumi | well, ofc it can't | Oct 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | yet the simpletons at MAFIAA, m$ and crApple keep forcing it | Oct 11 21:40 |
| Sosumi | it's not just MAFIAA, but also the organizations M$ and crApple belong to | Oct 11 21:41 |
| Sosumi | like business software alliance and alikes | Oct 11 21:41 |
| Sosumi | add adobe there too and etc. | Oct 11 21:41 |
| MinceR | also, there's another problem with using DRM or watermarking to protect privacy: certain entities who have a backdoor to the DRM or don't need to worry about being found out (via watermarking or otherwise) could violate the privacy of individuals | Oct 11 21:42 |
| MinceR | but of course m$ doesn't care about the privacy of individuals | Oct 11 21:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, m$ and crApple cronies and front groups | Oct 11 21:42 |
| Sosumi | so in the end many of those companies act like cartels | Oct 11 21:42 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 11 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | DRM from companies like Microsoft isn't about preventing piracy, it's about locking you into their platforms | Oct 11 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | if you buys loads of stuff in their proprietary formats, it's gonna cost you more to switch to a different company next time, cos ya have to rebuy all your stuff | Oct 11 21:44 |
| MinceR | there's that | Oct 11 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's cheaper just to stay with the same company, and upgrade | Oct 11 21:45 |
| MinceR | it's even cheaper to pirate :> | Oct 11 21:45 |
| MinceR | then again, if m$ manages to kill the personal computer, it might change | Oct 11 21:45 |
| MinceR | but i don't think they can do that | Oct 11 21:45 |
| MinceR | their grip on computing is slipping | Oct 11 21:45 |
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| Sosumi | slipping to crApple and tablets :( | Oct 11 22:39 |
| __martin__ | at least hats are honest | Oct 11 22:39 |
| __martin__ | https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6-Beta/html/6.5_Release_Notes/bh-chap-security.html | Oct 11 22:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | access.redhat.com | Chapter 3. Security - Red Hat Customer Portal [ http://ur1.ca/fvgpa ] | Oct 11 22:39 |
| __martin__ | "NSA Suite B Cryptography Support | Oct 11 22:40 |
| __martin__ | Suite B is a set of cryptographic algorithms specified by the NSA as part of its Cryptographic Modernization Program. It serves as an interoperable cryptographic base for both unclassified information and most classified information. It includes: | Oct 11 22:40 |
| __martin__ | Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) with key sizes of 128 and 256 bits. For traffic flow, AES should be used with either Counter Mode (CTR) for low bandwidth traffic or Galois/Counter Mode (GCM) of operation for high bandwidth traffic and symmetric encryption. Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) digital signatures. Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellman (ECDH) key agreement. | Oct 11 22:40 |
| __martin__ | Secue Hash Algorituhm 2 (SHA-256 and SHA-384) message digest. | Oct 11 22:40 |
| __martin__ | "* | Oct 11 22:40 |
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| __martin__ | does the custom IPTV set-top-box usage of a second provider on a line/fiber offered/leased within comptenecy of a first provider without subscribing to his own TV service gives him the right to block such an operation? isn't that network neutrality violation?! | Oct 11 22:45 |
| __martin__ | give* | Oct 11 22:46 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4122237737.html | Oct 11 00:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles [ http://ur1.ca/fvc6m ] | Oct 11 00:08 |
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| DaemonFC | Some guy on an ipad asked me what the lowest I'd go on it would be. | Oct 11 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | I told him probably $800 if he gets over here tomorrow. | Oct 11 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | I probably won't get much more than that. | Oct 11 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | If he tries to get me lower than that I'm going to tell him "Look. It's 2013. You're lucky to get something that makes it down the road for less than $1,000." | Oct 11 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://youtu.be/935xZdnVwq4 | Oct 11 00:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bill HIcks - Officer Nigger Hater - YouTube | Oct 11 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | I bought the 1996 Crown Victoria LX. | Oct 11 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | It is SUCH a nice car. | Oct 11 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | I spent most of the afternoon changing the oil, then going through the car wash, vacuuming, shampooing, going over the interior with armor all, and then turtle waxing it. | Oct 11 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 11 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://youtu.be/tsOWSDtxERU | Oct 11 00:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | 400 Cops - VS - Two heavily-armed and armored bank robbers / True events 1997 - YouTube | Oct 11 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | If I was the cop, I'd stay behind the front end of the car. | Oct 11 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | Those bullets probably wouldn't go through the engine block and out the other end. | Oct 11 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, On Monday I'm going to go ahead and do the coolant flush. I decided to do that myself. | Oct 11 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart had all the stuff I needed for about $15. | Oct 11 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I could do it myself and save some cash. | Oct 11 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | The Crown Victoria is a pretty fuel efficient car for its size. | Oct 11 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | I've done quite a bit of driving today and it's telling me I'm getting 20.2 mpg. | Oct 11 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | The guy never replied to my email. | Oct 11 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | What the fuck does he think he's buying? | Oct 11 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | If he wants to go below $800 on my old car, he can just buy himself a damned bicycle. | Oct 11 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | Does he expect me to give it to him for free? | Oct 11 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | If I can't get $800 out of it, I'll just give it to family so they can finish it off. | Oct 11 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | It has probably got a good 3-4 years left. | Oct 11 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | $800 is like two months of car payments these days. | Oct 11 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's a good deal. | Oct 11 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | I get in these funny arguments with Dave. | Oct 11 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | He's a Buick fan, I'm a Ford fan. :P | Oct 11 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | While Buick cars tend to be good by GM standards, everything GM makes is a money pit. | Oct 11 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | My mom even had to replace her rack and pinion steering on the Impala. | Oct 11 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | That was like $800! | Oct 11 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | It went out a few months after the warranty expired. | Oct 11 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | That's GM for you. | Oct 11 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | You get a nice full size Ford, and you're still driving it 30 years later. | Oct 11 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | I actually ran into another guy driving a Crown Victoria at the gas station today. | Oct 11 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | His was a 1991. | Oct 11 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | Asked him how many miles he had on his. | Oct 11 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | He said 392,000. | Oct 11 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | Just took it to Florida and back, he said. | Oct 11 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 11 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | Too many disposable clown cars out there. | Oct 11 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ford killed the Vic in 2011. | Oct 11 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | You can't get a Ford car with anything larger than a 3.8 liter DOHC V6 now. | Oct 11 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | damned government | Oct 11 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | If they would start putting out Compressed Natural Gas models, we could run big V8s for a LONG time to come. | Oct 11 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | It's all about how much the peasants are allowed to have. | Oct 11 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Oct 11 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | The economy is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing with globalization, automation, and the abandonment of most of the displaced workers. | Oct 11 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Rich people and corporations have no conscience. It should be the government's job to protect people from corporations, but it's really usually the other way around, and now they're coming for your retirement money. | Oct 11 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sleep tight. | Oct 11 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://store.progressivebumperstickers.com/product.php?xProd=937&xSec=14 | Oct 11 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Oct 11 01:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | store.progressivebumperstickers.com | Progressive Bumper Stickers - Liberal, Democratic > VOTE DEMOCRATIC - We're not perfect, but they're nuts. (Barney Frank) [ http://ur1.ca/fvcg9 ] | Oct 11 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.democraticstuff.com/Please_Don_t_Put_My_Flag_On_Your_Foreign_Car_Bumper_Sticker_BS30173 | Oct 11 01:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.democraticstuff.com | Democratic Stuff - Please Don't Put My Flag On Your Foreign Car Bumper Sticker [ http://ur1.ca/fvcgz ] | Oct 11 01:28 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/product5560.html | Oct 11 01:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.evolvefish.com | Robme - Deceive in America Sticker - EvolveFISH and TheLiberalStore.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvcht ] | Oct 11 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Oct 11 01:30 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cafepress.com/mf/27824830/push-a-ford_sticker | Oct 11 01:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cafepress.com | PUSH A FORD Sticker by Admin_CP3653451 [ http://ur1.ca/fvcig ] | Oct 11 01:34 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Warning-Tampering-Bumper-Window-Sticker/dp/B00B601FUW/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1381469894&sr=8-15&keywords=ford+bumper+sticker | Oct 11 01:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Warning Tampering with Ford Funny Bumper Window Car Truck Sticker Decal: Everything Else [ http://ur1.ca/fvcj0 ] | Oct 11 01:38 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: "tire kickers"? :) | Oct 11 02:00 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Idiots that don't plan to buy the car but come out and waste your time. | Oct 11 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 02:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Warning-Tampering-Bumper-Window-Sticker/dp/B00B601FUW/ | Oct 11 02:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Warning Tampering with Ford Funny Bumper Window Car Truck Sticker Decal: Everything Else [ http://ur1.ca/fvcph ] | Oct 11 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | I need to get this. | Oct 11 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Little-peeing-Chevy-Window-Sticker/dp/B00CM0CCZ2/ | Oct 11 02:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Little Guy peeing on Chevy logo Car Window Vinyl Decal Sticker 5" Wide (Color: White): Everything Else [ http://ur1.ca/fvcpm ] | Oct 11 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tiptopsigns.com/images/D/BAD_iratherpushafordthandriveachevy.jpg | Oct 11 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://images.craigslist.org/00v0v_ghtmkZ4Y7V9_600x450.jpg | Oct 11 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | The Crown Vic is the red car in the background. | Oct 11 02:48 |
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| iophk | http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/04/trans-pacific-partnership_n_4039357.html | Oct 11 04:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.huffingtonpost.ca | Trans-Pacific Partnership Talks Headed For Finish Line Amid Official Secrecy [ http://ur1.ca/fvd3t ] | Oct 11 04:16 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 11 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://drunkdialcongress.org/ | Oct 11 04:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | drunkdialcongress.org | Drunk Dial Congress | Oct 11 04:26 |
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| JimmyCarter | lol | Oct 11 04:29 |
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| iophk | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/10/2241225/the-w3c-sells-out-users-without-seeming-to-get-anything-in-return | Oct 11 05:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | The W3C Sells Out Users Without Seeming To Get Anything In Return - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fvdal ] | Oct 11 05:09 |
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| iophk | No Snowden : | Oct 11 05:38 |
| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/12/world/chemical-weapons-watchdog-wins-nobel-peace-prize.html | Oct 11 05:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/fvder ] | Oct 11 05:39 |
| iophk | http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/10/10/lavabits-founder-has-an-idea-make-his-code-open-source/ | Oct 11 05:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.wsj.com | Lavabit's Founder Has An Idea: Make His Code Open Source - Digits - WSJ [ http://ur1.ca/fvdf3 ] | Oct 11 05:42 |
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| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/528799/eu_court_holds_news_website_liable_readers_comments/ | Oct 11 06:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com.au | EU court holds news website liable for readers' comments - Internet-based applications and services, european union, legal, Civil lawsuits, internet - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvdmv ] | Oct 11 06:31 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/seized-torrent-domains-must-be-released-says-domain-registrar-131011/ | Oct 11 06:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Seized Torrent Domains Must Be Released Says Domain Registrar | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fvdnq ] | Oct 11 06:39 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | Microsoft hiring http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2013/Aug-22.html | Oct 11 07:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tirania.org | Hiring Developers - Miguel de Icaza [ http://ur1.ca/fvdqx ] | Oct 11 07:02 |
| schestowitz_log_ | Mini Microsofgt | Oct 11 07:02 |
| iophk | too bad | Oct 11 07:03 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/61865-facebook-removes-more-privacy | Oct 11 07:05 |
| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9243143/Everyone_will_soon_be_searchable_on_Facebook | Oct 11 07:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | Facebook removes more privacy [ http://ur1.ca/fvdvf ] | Oct 11 07:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com | Everyone will soon be searchable on Facebook - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvdvh ] | Oct 11 07:05 |
| iophk | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10371793/Facebook-removes-option-to-hide-your-name-in-search.html | Oct 11 07:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.telegraph.co.uk | Facebook removes option to hide your name in search - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/fvdx0 ] | Oct 11 07:07 |
| iophk | http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2299785/nokia-cuts-symbian-and-meego-support-early-to-make-way-for-more-lumia-smartphones | Oct 11 07:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.v3.co.uk | Nokia cuts Symbian and MeeGo support early to make way for more Lumia smartphones - IT News from V3.co.uk [ http://ur1.ca/fvdx6 ] | Oct 11 07:08 |
| iophk | Can Sailfish be loaded on old Nokias? | Oct 11 07:08 |
| MinceR | i doubt it | Oct 11 07:08 |
| MinceR | but i don't really know | Oct 11 07:09 |
| iophk | I wouldn't expect that they would go out of their way to add it. There are not many such old phones on the market. | Oct 11 07:17 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the answer is no. | Oct 11 07:32 |
| oiaohm | iophk: except for a few rare models like the N9 | Oct 11 07:33 |
| oiaohm | iophk: most of the nokias cannot to run Linux the drivers required don't exist in the Linux kernel. | Oct 11 07:34 |
| iophk | http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List | Oct 11 07:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.w3.org | Current Members - W3C | Oct 11 07:36 |
| iophk | No Vanunu either : http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chemical-weapons-watchdog-wins-nobel-peace-prize/2013/10/11/e656a87c-3254-11e3-ad00-ec4c6b31cbed_story.html | Oct 11 07:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.washingtonpost.com | Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons wins 2013 Nobel Peace Prize - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/fve0t ] | Oct 11 07:40 |
| iophk | these awards are becoming pointless | Oct 11 07:41 |
| oiaohm | iophk: really it shows the lack of quality we have in the peace camp. | Oct 11 07:42 |
| iophk | Then on Monday the Swedish bankers will have the gall to pretend to award a Nobel prize, using misdirection and confusion to try to gain prestige. | Oct 11 07:47 |
| iophk | all for a pseudo-science | Oct 11 07:55 |
| iophk | The EU court decision about reader comments is a further assault on anonymity or even pseudo-anonymity | Oct 11 08:00 |
| oiaohm | iophk: really its the same legal limitation on using a soapbox in the street. | Oct 11 08:12 |
| iophk | basically | Oct 11 08:54 |
| iophk | peaceable assembly now occurs online | Oct 11 08:54 |
| oiaohm | iophk: really we need true p2p private zones. | Oct 11 09:07 |
| iophk | used to have usenet, that was p2p if not quite private | Oct 11 09:08 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/G9pgrQN.jpg | Oct 11 09:09 |
| oiaohm | iophk: not really the data in usenet was long term stored on public storage. | Oct 11 09:10 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I hate Craigslist. | Oct 11 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | Re: 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles - $1000 (Huntington) | Oct 11 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | From: Andrew Hamilton | Oct 11 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | 600 | Oct 11 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | Sent from my iPhone | Oct 11 09:32 |
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| DaemonFC | From: Me | Oct 11 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | To: Andrew Hamilton | Oct 11 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | Re: 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles - $1000 (Huntington) | Oct 11 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | On 10/11/2013 06:53 AM, Andrew wrote: | Oct 11 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | > 600 | Oct 11 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | > | Oct 11 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | > Sent from my iPhone | Oct 11 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | > | Oct 11 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | > | Oct 11 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry. If I have to go much lower than $800, I'd rather give it to family. | Oct 11 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | If he emails me again it better be for $800 or I'm going to lay into him. | Oct 11 09:33 |
| MinceR | he doesn't seem to be literate | Oct 11 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | "No. Seriously. I said $800. I'm not going to sit here today and let you murder me on a car that runs fine from your iCrap. Buy an Android phone next time and you'll be able to afford something more than a nice bicycle." | Oct 11 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry, Andrew! | Oct 11 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 09:34 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 11 09:35 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, He should be thrilled to find my Taurus for $800. | Oct 11 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | Unless he wants to save up a few thousand, he's not going to find anything much better. | Oct 11 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | I just want it out of my driveway. | Oct 11 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | $800 for a car that has no major mechanical issues, has four new tires, and a full tank of gas is basically giving it away. | Oct 11 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | My Crown Victoria ran over your Honda, and your iPhone, and your honor student. | Oct 11 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | Take that, RRRobert. | Oct 11 09:39 |
| MinceR | don't diss hondas, they're more reliable than fords. :> | Oct 11 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | LOL! | Oct 11 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | They're not good vehicles. They're just expensive because it's hard to find a used one that hasn't been used as a self-abuse project by a teenager. | Oct 11 09:40 |
| MinceR | i did not refer to their price. | Oct 11 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | At least some of them are figuring out that if you want to deck something out for cheap, get a Crown Vic P71. | Oct 11 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Crown_Victoria_Police_Interceptor | Oct 11 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvem5 ] | Oct 11 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Police_of_Los_Angeles.jpg | Oct 11 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | See, even the LARD figured out what kind of car to buy. :) | Oct 11 09:42 |
| MinceR | or they were mandated to buy something from the USA | Oct 11 09:43 |
| MinceR | or they were mandated to buy big and heavy vehicles | Oct 11 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | They don't have to. | Oct 11 09:43 |
| MinceR | and honda doesn't do those | Oct 11 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | There's no federal law demanding that. | Oct 11 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | If there was a more cost effective import that could hold up under their use case, at least the majority of states would allow them to buy it. | Oct 11 09:43 |
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| DaemonFC | Ford finally phased out the Crown Vic in 2011. | Oct 11 09:44 |
| MinceR | (big and heavy _does_ look like something that's useful for police forces) | Oct 11 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | They stopped selling them retail in 2004 I believe. | Oct 11 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | You have to get them at Fleet auctions now if you want one newer than that. | Oct 11 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they switched to Dodge Chargers now. | Oct 11 09:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is a catch here. Big Heavy without the safety features will equal dead police. | Oct 11 09:45 |
| *MinceR dodges a charger | Oct 11 09:45 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: aren't those safety features mandatory though? | Oct 11 09:45 |
| MinceR | also, small and light would still mean dead police, wouldn't it? :> | Oct 11 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/NYPD_Dodge_Charger_Police_Interceptor_2909.jpg/791px-NYPD_Dodge_Charger_Police_Interceptor_2909.jpg | Oct 11 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, No. | Oct 11 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | The Crown Vic is a big rugged cost-effective vehicle that is extremely fast. | Oct 11 09:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: police vehicals have a lot of alterations to make them stronger to being intentionally tboned and other things. | Oct 11 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | and it gives them a big V8 engine to hide behind when they're being shot at. | Oct 11 09:46 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: with such a huge engine it had better be fast | Oct 11 09:46 |
| MinceR | if they can accelerate it in a straight section, anyway :> | Oct 11 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/12/17/16/35/1997_ford_crown_victoria_4_dr_s_sedan-pic-4795679885609224471.jpeg | Oct 11 09:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: heck the highspeed Australian police cars are warped. | Oct 11 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | There's one LIKE the one I just bought. | Oct 11 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | same color, same rims | Oct 11 09:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the highspeed cars are self frame straighting after crash. | Oct 11 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | same hubcaps | Oct 11 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | my tires are better though. | Oct 11 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | brand new Michelins. | Oct 11 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | I priced them out at Wertenberger Tire, and they said they'd sell four of what I have for just over $900 after tax. | Oct 11 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | That old lady must have been loaded. | Oct 11 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | She went to the dealer for everything. She even had them fill out the service record on the owner manual and sign and date it. | Oct 11 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Rich old lady. | Oct 11 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's where you find the best used cars. | Oct 11 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | They sell them cheap because they just want them out of the driveway. | Oct 11 09:51 |
| MinceR | which rich old lady sells new cars? :> | Oct 11 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | and quite often there's not a thing wrong with them | Oct 11 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | oh, there's probably a few women that run new car lots | Oct 11 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | although I haven't ever seen it happen. | Oct 11 09:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | The finance lady at Mike Anderson Dodge offered to put me in an '04 Crown Vic with 131,000 miles on it for $7,500. | Oct 11 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | and it wasn't even the LX | Oct 11 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | I got my 1996 Crown Vic LX for $2,200, with full maintenance records. | Oct 11 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | and it has 94,700 miles on it | Oct 11 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | Those dealerships really know how to fuck you, MinceR | Oct 11 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | and after you pay them for all that, they figure out fees to add onto it. | Oct 11 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | so it was really more like $7,800 + tax by the time I got done dealing with Mike Anderson Dodge. | Oct 11 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | What an awful deal. | Oct 11 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | I told her that I wouldn't feel right paying more than $4,000 for that car, and that's only because it was an '04. | Oct 11 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | Age has a really high weight on the value of a car. | Oct 11 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | I know not why. | Oct 11 09:56 |
| MinceR | the older it is, the more chances people had to damage it :> | Oct 11 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | There's this several year range where you get them cheap, and then after 25 years, the price goes up again. | Oct 11 09:57 |
| MinceR | everything gets worse | Oct 11 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | because now it's a "classic car" | Oct 11 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Not really. | Oct 11 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, some of these newer models have so much MANDATORY shit in them that I do not want. | Oct 11 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | Like Microsoft and Onstar. | Oct 11 09:58 |
| MinceR | i mean a given car, once manufactured, always get worse | Oct 11 09:59 |
| MinceR | s/get/gets/ | Oct 11 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | There's not much difference between a 2000 Impala and a new one. The body style changed a little bit and they have mandatory Onstar. | Oct 11 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | and they get less reliable the newer you go | Oct 11 09:59 |
| MinceR | it gets worn, polluted, damaged, repaired, etc. | Oct 11 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | The car companies pay incentives for engineers to sit around figuring out how to make things $5 cheaper. | Oct 11 10:00 |
| MinceR | people you don't know get their mitts all over it :> | Oct 11 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | Enough of that goes on, and your car starts having all kinds of reliability nightmares. | Oct 11 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | It hasn't gotten any better in the last few years. | Oct 11 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | I feel better driving a used Crown Vic than some of what they sell new. | Oct 11 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | Like, Ford will sell you a Focus now for like $20,000 by the time you get the one with the stuff that everyone wants on it. | Oct 11 10:01 |
| MinceR | well, if it got things like mandatory m$ and onstar, it might well be better than the newer _models_ | Oct 11 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | Just basic stuff like auto transmission. | Oct 11 10:01 |
| MinceR | i mean if the newer models have them | Oct 11 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | and an engine that actually moves the car | Oct 11 10:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 11 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | I always tell people... If you want a car for 10 years, get a Focus. If you want a car for 20+ years, spring for the Taurus. | Oct 11 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | It's a much nicer car. Even the base model. | Oct 11 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | And it's not that much more. | Oct 11 10:02 |
| MinceR | is the usian Focus anything like the european Focus? | Oct 11 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | You'd think that when people are sitting around deciding to commit to a car payment, they'd want to enjoy another 14 years without one when the payments stop. | Oct 11 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's more or less the same thing. | Oct 11 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | I ran into an older guy at the gas station, MinceR. He had a 1992 Crown Vic. I asked him how it was treating him. | Oct 11 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | He said he had 392,000+ miles on it. | Oct 11 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | I asked him what he did to it. He said "Bought it in 1992 and changed some fluids, filters, and some other minor things." | Oct 11 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | I don't doubt that it's a 30+ year car. | Oct 11 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It gets about the same gas mileage as my Taurus. | Oct 11 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | I was watching the computer cycle through various data and it said I was averaging 20.2 mpg. | Oct 11 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | I bet I could get that up when I go to tune it up here soon. | Oct 11 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | It gets better mileage than my grandmother's Cadillac. | Oct 11 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | I was watching her drive her '04 around, and her computer says she was getting about 15 mpg. | Oct 11 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | I need to go to Walmart today and get some turtle wax. | Oct 11 10:09 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: something to take into account here. Gizmos have weight. | Oct 11 10:09 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: ie electric windows are heavier than manual and the list goes on. | Oct 11 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Yeah, that train track that sent the Taurus flying the other day. | Oct 11 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | Didn't even bring the Crown Vic off the ground. | Oct 11 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | Not an inch. | Oct 11 10:10 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: it is where the weight is. | Oct 11 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's a much heavier car and the weight is distributed over a much larger area. | Oct 11 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | It handled alot better. | Oct 11 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, What are they up to in Australia? | Oct 11 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | Same clown cars they get in Europe? | Oct 11 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | They're starting to try to impose that on the normalfolk here. | Oct 11 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure that when nobody else can buy a V8 engine in a sedan, they'll still build one for our Glorious Dear Leader. | Oct 11 10:13 |
| MinceR | cars vary in size in europe :> | Oct 11 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | Well. | Oct 11 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | How fortunate. | Oct 11 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | One of those guys that's working on these apartments says he does detailing on the side. | Oct 11 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | He said he'd buff my Crown Vic for $50. | Oct 11 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | gets out all those little scratches and swirl marks. | Oct 11 10:29 |
| MinceR | swirlies | Oct 11 10:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Australian cop cars are mostly v8 holdens. | Oct 11 10:33 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: with lots and lots of alterations. | Oct 11 10:33 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: holden is Australian GM. In fact some of them are exported back to the USA. | Oct 11 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah I'll pay him $50 to buff it. | Oct 11 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | $100-$150 is pretty standard | Oct 11 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMOuEBVGLbs | Oct 11 10:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Tires in Muncie | Sparks Car Care - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvewb ] | Oct 11 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | RA F 6 seconds ago | Oct 11 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | "Looks like someone's in trouble". | Oct 11 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, their car broke down and now they're going to a shop that replaces parts at random. | Oct 11 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGuGhlL_wdo | Oct 11 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | STUPIDITY ALERT: IOS 7 Waterproof Hoax - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvex2 ] | Oct 11 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Oct 11 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | What impossible phone feature would I like the most? | Oct 11 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | One that has those point defense lasers from Andromeda, only instead of killing thousands of Magog, it would select anyone with an iPhone that got near me. | Oct 11 10:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 10:56 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, the light would take several years to get here from Andromeda | Oct 11 10:56 |
| MinceR | so you have to think ahead a bit. | Oct 11 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Andromeda Ascendant. | Oct 11 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 11 10:57 |
| MinceR | ? | Oct 11 10:57 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJYPkAqfwxY | Oct 11 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Andromeda Season 2 Intro HD - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvey9 ] | Oct 11 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 11 10:57 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArOhVfcRjU | Oct 11 10:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Andromeda Season 4 Intro HD - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fveyh ] | Oct 11 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That one. | Oct 11 10:58 |
| MinceR | can't watch videos now | Oct 11 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Ascendant | Oct 11 11:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Andromeda Ascendant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvez0 ] | Oct 11 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4116676319.html | Oct 11 11:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 93 TOYOTA CAMRY LE [ http://ur1.ca/fveze ] | Oct 11 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! | Oct 11 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | $2200 for a 93 Camry with 177000 miles. | Oct 11 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | Get real! | Oct 11 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1p3vE6aOmA | Oct 11 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | A NEW CROP OF BIGOTS - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvezv ] | Oct 11 11:07 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 11 11:15 |
| iophk | piracy in Finland:http://yle.fi/uutiset/foreign_minister_possible_to_negotiate_finnish_prison_term_for_greenpeace_activist/6866829 | Oct 11 11:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yle.fi | Foreign Minister: Possible to negotiate Finnish prison term for Greenpeace activist | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi [ http://ur1.ca/fvf4r ] | Oct 11 11:30 |
| Sosumi | spot the differences | Oct 11 11:36 |
| Sosumi | http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/51b9ee8c6bb3f7d74e000035/the-new-mac-pro-looks-like-a-nyc-subway-trash-can.jpg | Oct 11 11:36 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 11 11:40 |
| Sosumi | I actually wouldn't mind one | Oct 11 11:46 |
| Sosumi | to make some pasta | Oct 11 11:46 |
| MinceR | how do you make pasta with a trash can? | Oct 11 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | Chef Boyardee | Oct 11 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dump directly into the trash can. | Oct 11 11:49 |
| Sosumi | you roll it over the pasta in order to make your 3 mile diameter pizza | Oct 11 11:50 |
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| Sosumi | challenge: make a raod cylinder with iTrashcans | Oct 11 11:51 |
| Sosumi | *road | Oct 11 11:51 |
| Sosumi | no non free software allowed | Oct 11 11:52 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 11 11:53 |
| Sosumi | and it must running of a cliff | Oct 11 11:53 |
| Sosumi | *be | Oct 11 11:53 |
| oiaohm | When I saw the new mac pro though of mining machine bushes. | Oct 11 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Yes the big suckers. | Oct 11 12:02 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/11/nokia_teases_tablet_laptop_phablet_unveil/ | Oct 11 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Nokia Teases Tablet, Laptop, and Phablet Unveil [ http://ur1.ca/fvfci ] | Oct 11 12:12 |
| Sosumi | micro$haft copying apple | Oct 11 12:13 |
| Sosumi | also, try to get a windows tax refund from a surface, for the kicks, lawl | Oct 11 12:14 |
| iophk | You probably can't get one for RT | Oct 11 12:20 |
| iophk | even the regular version probably has no EULA to complain against. | Oct 11 12:22 |
| iophk | Besides, it is crap hardware you'd be wasting money to make a point. | Oct 11 12:22 |
| Sosumi | that'd have to be done with pro version | Oct 11 12:49 |
| Sosumi | and you can always return the thing | Oct 11 12:49 |
| iophk | paranoia and surveillance as the new culture | Oct 11 12:57 |
| iophk | http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-10/thieves-spies-and-silicon-valley-startups-a-cautionary-tale | Oct 11 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.businessweek.com | Thieves, Spies, and Silicon Valley Startups: A Cautionary Tale - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/fvfi4 ] | Oct 11 12:57 |
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| MinceR | 181424 < Sosumi> also, try to get a windows tax refund from a surface, for the kicks, lawl | Oct 11 13:31 |
| MinceR | i would have to buy one for that | Oct 11 13:31 |
| MinceR | and that's not gonna happen. | Oct 11 13:31 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 11 13:34 |
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| iophk | http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-11/google-plans-to-include-users-faces-in-ads | Oct 11 14:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.businessweek.com | Google Is Going to Include Your Face in Its New Ads - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/fvftd ] | Oct 11 14:09 |
| MinceR | "Heres how it works: You use Google+ to rate some product or service." | Oct 11 14:12 |
| MinceR | no i don't. :> | Oct 11 14:12 |
| iophk | ""Heres how it works: You use Google+ " | Oct 11 14:13 |
| iophk | no I don't :> :> | Oct 11 14:13 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 14:16 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The trolls can't find witnesses to support them LOL | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | @ | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Hi Dr. Schestowitz, | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > I hope your Friday is going well. I am following up with an email I | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > sent you on August 27th regarding and Expert Witness Opportunity | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > for Parallel Iron LLC v. Adobe Systems Incorporated. I do not have a | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > phone number for you or I would call. | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > I | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > have a need for an Expert Witness for Parallel Iron LLC v. Adobe Systems | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Incorporated DED-1-12-cv-00874. | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > My client is the Plaintiff Team for Parallel Iron, LLC. | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > I need an expert witness that has both the necessary technical knowledge | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > and experience to testify at trial. | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > An expert with expertise in distributed file systems, such as Hadoop and | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > familiar with the | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Markman Hearing. | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > It appears as if that is within your expertise, correct? | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Is this something that you might be interested in pursuing? | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Do you have testifying experience? | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > There are 3 patents involved with this case, Patents #7197662, #7543177 | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > and #7958388. | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Please l | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > et me know your findings after you have reviewed the | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > patents | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > . | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > We can discuss timing, conflicts, parties and the specific patents when | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > we talk. | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions as I am always | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > happy to help. | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Have a wonderful weekend! | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Chris | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > -- | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Chris Gum | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Case Manager | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Beche Group IP Services | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > San Francisco/Silicon Valley CA | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > www.BecheIP.com <http://www.becheip.com/> | Oct 11 14:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.becheip.com | Beche Group IP Services | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Direct: 415.539.3072 | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | > Mobile: 925.548.3727 | Oct 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | @ | Oct 11 14:20 |
| iophk | Just trying to get you inside the border... | Oct 11 14:20 |
| iophk | The general advice (from Torvalds IIRC) was *not* to ever look at patents. | Oct 11 14:21 |
| iophk | It can bite you later. | Oct 11 14:22 |
| iophk | http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/ | Oct 11 14:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lwn.net | Re: large page patch (fwd) (fwd) [LWN.net] | Oct 11 14:22 |
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| iophk | http://sandiegofreepress.org/2013/10/less-popular-than-zombies-congressional-approval-rating-drops-to-single-digits/ | Oct 11 14:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | sandiegofreepress.org | Less Popular Than Zombies: Congressional Approval Rating Drops to Single Digits [ http://ur1.ca/fvfxw ] | Oct 11 14:43 |
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| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTjfH0x4cQ | Oct 11 15:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | 1x1 One Handed Solve 0.07 Secs - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fvg1a ] | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://uncrunched.com/2013/10/08/unveiling-stealth-y-combinator-startup-urx/ | Oct 11 15:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | uncrunched.com | Unveiling Stealth Y Combinator Startup URX | Uncrunched [ http://ur1.ca/fvg47 ] | Oct 11 15:23 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: I thought it was 9% by some polls back in 2009 or so | Oct 11 15:23 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Lessig kept saying so in his talks | Oct 11 15:24 |
| iophk | It has stayed low, but right now it's very low because of the shutdown. | Oct 11 15:35 |
| iophk | but AFAIK it's been low double-digits | Oct 11 15:36 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/10/google-will-soon-put-your-face-name-and-content-in-its-ads/ | Oct 11 15:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Google will soon put your face, name, and content in its ads | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fvg9b ] | Oct 11 15:58 |
| iophk | M$ says DRM == privacy | Oct 11 16:11 |
| iophk | http://www.technologyreview.com/news/520226/microsoft-thinks-drm-can-solve-the-privacy-problem/ | Oct 11 16:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.technologyreview.com | Microsoft Thinks DRM Can Solve the Privacy Problem | MIT Technology Review [ http://ur1.ca/fvgb1 ] | Oct 11 16:11 |
| MinceR | they also equate DRM with "security" | Oct 11 16:12 |
| MinceR | then again, m$ has no idea what security or privacy are | Oct 11 16:12 |
| iophk | their market security | Oct 11 16:12 |
| iophk | you're right though they have no concept of privacy or security, just a lot of noise | Oct 11 16:13 |
| MinceR | also, just as DRM doesn't work for locking down media, it wouldn't work for privacy either | Oct 11 16:13 |
| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9243155/Skype_being_investigated_in_Luxembourg_over_NSA_spying_links | Oct 11 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com | Skype being investigated in Luxembourg over NSA spying links - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvgbj ] | Oct 11 16:16 |
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| _Goblin | mincer: DRM in ebook, was & is totally useless...it never gained the traction itunes did...almost from day one there was a "one click fix" | Oct 11 16:22 |
| MinceR | i know | Oct 11 16:22 |
| _Goblin | having said that....theres some "honesty to drm"....let me explain | Oct 11 16:23 |
| _Goblin | a certain publisher released drm free ebooks....so far so good... | Oct 11 16:23 |
| _Goblin | what they didn't mention was that when you ordered one "on the fly" it encoded the ebook with a set of characters that you wouldn't notice.... | Oct 11 16:23 |
| _Goblin | these characters were intended to track that copy of the ebook as they were unique to that purchase. | Oct 11 16:24 |
| MinceR | that's watermarking | Oct 11 16:24 |
| MinceR | and that can be removed too | Oct 11 16:24 |
| _Goblin | yep....but done with say, an extra space after a full stop on a certain page.. | Oct 11 16:24 |
| MinceR | if a human can read it then a human can type it and a camera can capture it | Oct 11 16:25 |
| MinceR | regardless of what tricks the DRM weenies employ in their magic boxes | Oct 11 16:25 |
| _Goblin | it wasn't "traditional" watermarking and was impossible to detect unless you had two different copies of the same ebook | Oct 11 16:25 |
| _Goblin | it was a very nasty little system because the end-user was oblivious to any such watermark...this is the type of "DRM" which could be abused . | Oct 11 16:26 |
| MinceR | at most it could be used to point out the source of some information | Oct 11 16:27 |
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| MinceR | but it wouldn't last long | Oct 11 16:27 |
| _Goblin | I think its sole purpose was to chase "pirates" find out the sharing source. | Oct 11 16:28 |
| MinceR | and the "pirates"' response was dewatermarking tools | Oct 11 16:28 |
| _Goblin | yep, but then a watermark done by say a varying number of spaces on a certain page to "encode" the purchaser details is almost impossible to remove, since you don't know where the "encoding" of the data is going to be.... | Oct 11 16:29 |
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| _Goblin | and to the reader on a kindle, you don't even notice any such "on the fly" encoding. | Oct 11 16:29 |
| MinceR | if you know what details watermarks consist of in a system, you can remove such details | Oct 11 16:30 |
| ThistleWeb | what kinda CPU does that fly have? | Oct 11 16:30 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 11 16:30 |
| ThistleWeb | just because it "can" compile | Oct 11 16:30 |
| ThistleWeb | or encode | Oct 11 16:30 |
| MinceR | you can also have n pirates get together, bring n copies and use that to find and remove the watermark | Oct 11 16:31 |
| MinceR | and of course you could break into the system that does the watermarking and get an unwatermarked copy :> | Oct 11 16:32 |
| MinceR | or get random users' copies | Oct 11 16:32 |
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| Sosumi | well, my pict on google+ is a owl | Oct 11 16:36 |
| MinceR | so it's possible that an owl would endorse products? :> | Oct 11 16:36 |
| Sosumi | so it'd be hilarious if they indeed did adds with my supposed pict | Oct 11 16:37 |
| *MinceR awaits the first appearance of avatars to the effect of "don't buy this crap" :) | Oct 11 16:37 | |
| Sosumi | like, nightvision googles? | Oct 11 16:37 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 11 16:37 |
| ThistleWeb | "I'm an owl & I approve of this contact lens" | Oct 11 16:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 16:37 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, specsavers | Oct 11 16:37 |
| MinceR | or someone could use a picture of a rat | Oct 11 16:38 |
| MinceR | and upvote rat poison | Oct 11 16:38 |
| ThistleWeb | the window manager? | Oct 11 16:38 |
| MinceR | "tried it, was very tasty and nutritious!" | Oct 11 16:38 |
| MinceR | no, the physical one | Oct 11 16:38 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, the secret ingredient at mcdonalds | Oct 11 16:38 |
| Sosumi | and how can DRM solve privacy? | Oct 11 16:39 |
| ThistleWeb | it cant | Oct 11 16:39 |
| Sosumi | new M$ DRM, if you touch your computer, it'll turn off | Oct 11 16:39 |
| Sosumi | only available for surface pro and RT | Oct 11 16:40 |
| MinceR | it can't | Oct 11 16:40 |
| MinceR | it has been proven theoretically and empirically over and over | Oct 11 16:40 |
| Sosumi | well, ofc it can't | Oct 11 16:40 |
| MinceR | yet the simpletons at MAFIAA, m$ and crApple keep forcing it | Oct 11 16:40 |
| Sosumi | it's not just MAFIAA, but also the organizations M$ and crApple belong to | Oct 11 16:41 |
| Sosumi | like business software alliance and alikes | Oct 11 16:41 |
| Sosumi | add adobe there too and etc. | Oct 11 16:41 |
| MinceR | also, there's another problem with using DRM or watermarking to protect privacy: certain entities who have a backdoor to the DRM or don't need to worry about being found out (via watermarking or otherwise) could violate the privacy of individuals | Oct 11 16:42 |
| MinceR | but of course m$ doesn't care about the privacy of individuals | Oct 11 16:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, m$ and crApple cronies and front groups | Oct 11 16:42 |
| Sosumi | so in the end many of those companies act like cartels | Oct 11 16:42 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 11 16:42 |
| ThistleWeb | DRM from companies like Microsoft isn't about preventing piracy, it's about locking you into their platforms | Oct 11 16:44 |
| ThistleWeb | if you buys loads of stuff in their proprietary formats, it's gonna cost you more to switch to a different company next time, cos ya have to rebuy all your stuff | Oct 11 16:44 |
| MinceR | there's that | Oct 11 16:44 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's cheaper just to stay with the same company, and upgrade | Oct 11 16:44 |
| MinceR | it's even cheaper to pirate :> | Oct 11 16:45 |
| MinceR | then again, if m$ manages to kill the personal computer, it might change | Oct 11 16:45 |
| MinceR | but i don't think they can do that | Oct 11 16:45 |
| MinceR | their grip on computing is slipping | Oct 11 16:45 |
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| Sosumi | slipping to crApple and tablets :( | Oct 11 17:39 |
| __martin__ | at least hats are honest | Oct 11 17:39 |
| __martin__ | https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6-Beta/html/6.5_Release_Notes/bh-chap-security.html | Oct 11 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | access.redhat.com | Chapter3.Security - Red Hat Customer Portal [ http://ur1.ca/fvgpa ] | Oct 11 17:39 |
| __martin__ | "NSA Suite B Cryptography Support | Oct 11 17:39 |
| __martin__ | Suite B is a set of cryptographic algorithms specified by the NSA as part of its Cryptographic Modernization Program. It serves as an interoperable cryptographic base for both unclassified information and most classified information. It includes: | Oct 11 17:39 |
| __martin__ | Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) with key sizes of 128 and 256 bits. For traffic flow, AES should be used with either Counter Mode (CTR) for low bandwidth traffic or Galois/Counter Mode (GCM) of operation for high bandwidth traffic and symmetric encryption. Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) digital signatures. Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellman (ECDH) key agreement. | Oct 11 17:40 |
| __martin__ | Secue Hash Algorituhm 2 (SHA-256 and SHA-384) message digest. | Oct 11 17:40 |
| __martin__ | "* | Oct 11 17:40 |
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| __martin__ | does the custom IPTV set-top-box usage of a second provider on a line/fiber offered/leased within comptenecy of a first provider without subscribing to his own TV service gives him the right to block such an operation? isn't that network neutrality violation?! | Oct 11 17:45 |
| __martin__ | give* | Oct 11 17:46 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 11 19:51 |
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| sebsebseb | hi oiaohm | Oct 11 23:09 |
| oiaohm | hi sebsebseb | Oct 11 23:26 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: its interesting that HP is now viewing Microsoft and Intel as possible enemies. | Oct 11 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: are they oh? its late here, but not for me as such really | Oct 11 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but uhmm found out about something interesting | Oct 11 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: how about a learning how to make robots workship aimed at kids using Rassbery Pi's? sounds good too me, but the thing is if my much younger little brother will be interested or not hmm | Oct 11 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: taster session, and then a series of workshops | Oct 11 23:29 |
| sebsebseb | for those intressted | Oct 11 23:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: however the provitional dates are when I am going away, but I don't drive personally anyway, and the idea is for them to gowith their parant/s | Oct 11 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I have a feeling that may be able to get some interest | Oct 11 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but don't know yet | Oct 11 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: however ICT is rubbish at school as he knows, and this would be learning something proper with tech :) | Oct 11 23:31 |
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| oiaohm | sebsebseb: http://elinux.org/RPi_Expansion_Boards#AFLEX_Robotic_Board | Oct 11 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | elinux.org | RPi Expansion Boards - eLinux.org [ http://ur1.ca/fvi06 ] | Oct 11 23:36 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: there are a lot of core robot boards for the Rassbery Pi | Oct 11 23:36 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh I still not connececte mine etc | Oct 11 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | had a few months now | Oct 11 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah there's quite a bit of interest in them from Linux people in the city near me | Oct 11 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | and so on | Oct 11 23:37 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: those boards connect to all stock Rassbery pi | Oct 11 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: now then who would take him to this thing, my Mum yeah possibly | Oct 11 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | my older brother maybe | Oct 11 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | and well both of them aren't really that technical, more so my Mum | Oct 11 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | so could do the good too, going to this thing as well :d | Oct 11 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | coud do them, above | Oct 11 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: ,but yeah robots are nteresitng, I remember seeing one walking around at FOSDEM this year for example | Oct 11 23:39 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/breadboard/ | Oct 11 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cl.cam.ac.uk | Using a Breadboard - Physical Computing with Raspberry Pi [ http://ur1.ca/fvi12 ] | Oct 11 23:41 |
| oiaohm | The fun think about the Pi's is there are a lot of resources todo all kinds of things. | Oct 11 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | yep I know | Oct 11 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | loads can be done with it | Oct 11 23:43 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: some ways arduino robot can be the best for the first attemp. | Oct 11 23:45 |
| oiaohm | attempt. | Oct 11 23:45 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__37891__Arduino_4WD_Ultrasonic_Robot_Kit.html?gclid=CJGt6ZaxkLoCFUVlpgodtjoAUQ | Oct 11 23:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hobbyking.com | Arduino 4WD Ultrasonic Robot Kit [ http://ur1.ca/fvi1w ] | Oct 11 23:47 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: there are some quite nice beginner kits/prebuilt in the Ardruino line. | Oct 11 23:47 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: most can be converted to Pi configuration latter. | Oct 11 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: right ok | Oct 11 23:50 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: the not really techical normally rules out starting straight with Pi or manual build. | Oct 11 23:56 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: other thing to consier is get the toughest built one you can. Why they will crash it. | Oct 11 23:57 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: do they live near the sea or like doing water sports. | Oct 11 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: who? | Oct 11 23:59 |
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