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| sebsebseb | hi oiaohm | Oct 12 04:09 |
| oiaohm | hi sebsebseb | Oct 12 04:26 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: its interesting that HP is now viewing Microsoft and Intel as possible enemies. | Oct 12 04:26 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: are they oh? its late here, but not for me as such really | Oct 12 04:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but uhmm found out about something interesting | Oct 12 04:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: how about a learning how to make robots workship aimed at kids using Rassbery Pi's? sounds good too me, but the thing is if my much younger little brother will be interested or not hmm | Oct 12 04:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: taster session, and then a series of workshops | Oct 12 04:29 |
| sebsebseb | for those intressted | Oct 12 04:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: however the provitional dates are when I am going away, but I don't drive personally anyway, and the idea is for them to gowith their parant/s | Oct 12 04:30 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I have a feeling that may be able to get some interest | Oct 12 04:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but don't know yet | Oct 12 04:31 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: however ICT is rubbish at school as he knows, and this would be learning something proper with tech :) | Oct 12 04:31 |
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| oiaohm | sebsebseb: http://elinux.org/RPi_Expansion_Boards#AFLEX_Robotic_Board | Oct 12 04:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | elinux.org | RPi Expansion Boards - eLinux.org [ http://ur1.ca/fvi06 ] | Oct 12 04:36 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: there are a lot of core robot boards for the Rassbery Pi | Oct 12 04:36 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh I still not connececte mine etc | Oct 12 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | had a few months now | Oct 12 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah there's quite a bit of interest in them from Linux people in the city near me | Oct 12 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | and so on | Oct 12 04:37 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: those boards connect to all stock Rassbery pi | Oct 12 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: now then who would take him to this thing, my Mum yeah possibly | Oct 12 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | my older brother maybe | Oct 12 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | and well both of them aren't really that technical, more so my Mum | Oct 12 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | so could do the good too, going to this thing as well :d | Oct 12 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | coud do them, above | Oct 12 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: ,but yeah robots are nteresitng, I remember seeing one walking around at FOSDEM this year for example | Oct 12 04:39 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/breadboard/ | Oct 12 04:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cl.cam.ac.uk | Using a Breadboard - Physical Computing with Raspberry Pi [ http://ur1.ca/fvi12 ] | Oct 12 04:41 |
| oiaohm | The fun think about the Pi's is there are a lot of resources todo all kinds of things. | Oct 12 04:41 |
| sebsebseb | yep I know | Oct 12 04:43 |
| sebsebseb | loads can be done with it | Oct 12 04:43 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: some ways arduino robot can be the best for the first attemp. | Oct 12 04:45 |
| oiaohm | attempt. | Oct 12 04:45 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__37891__Arduino_4WD_Ultrasonic_Robot_Kit.html?gclid=CJGt6ZaxkLoCFUVlpgodtjoAUQ | Oct 12 04:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hobbyking.com | Arduino 4WD Ultrasonic Robot Kit [ http://ur1.ca/fvi1w ] | Oct 12 04:47 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: there are some quite nice beginner kits/prebuilt in the Ardruino line. | Oct 12 04:47 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: most can be converted to Pi configuration latter. | Oct 12 04:48 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: right ok | Oct 12 04:50 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: the not really techical normally rules out starting straight with Pi or manual build. | Oct 12 04:56 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: other thing to consier is get the toughest built one you can. Why they will crash it. | Oct 12 04:57 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: do they live near the sea or like doing water sports. | Oct 12 04:59 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: who? | Oct 12 04:59 |
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| oiaohm | sebsebseb: there are list of robots for water activies. | Oct 12 05:35 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | > 3 weeks ago I sent several questions after you had agreed to help | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > publish an interview about GNU's anniversary. Have you had an | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > opportunity to make progress on this? | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > No, I have fallen behind and I even forgot about it. | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > Thanks for reminding me. | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | (RMS) | Oct 12 07:58 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz, I look forward to your RMS stuff.... | Oct 12 10:58 |
| iophk | "A former Skype engineer, who declined to be named because of the sensitive nature of the issue, told the Guardian that the company worked to build in a "listening element" to help Chinese authorities monitor users' communications for keywords, triggering a warning to alert the government when certain phrases get typed into its chat interface." | Oct 12 11:15 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/11/skype-ten-microsoft-nsa | Oct 12 11:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Skype under investigation in Luxembourg over link to NSA | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvjhz ] | Oct 12 11:15 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300196/european-data-watchdog-investigates-skype-leaks-to-the-nsa | Oct 12 11:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | European data watchdog investigates Skype leaks to the NSA- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvji1 ] | Oct 12 11:16 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/12/us-internet-control | Oct 12 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.co.uk | The US is losing control of the internet (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/fvjji ] | Oct 12 11:26 |
| iophk | http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-brief/80646-does-a-chromebook-replace-a-laptop | Oct 12 11:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tgdaily.com | Does a Chromebook replace a laptop? | TG Daily [ http://ur1.ca/fvjk9 ] | Oct 12 11:30 |
| iophk | http://www.citeworld.com/security/22535/mobile-payments-apps-outrageous-permissions | Oct 12 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.citeworld.com | The outrageous permissions required by mobile payments apps | CITEworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvjqu ] | Oct 12 12:18 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | not fond of Cringley but it is a good topic: | Oct 12 12:39 |
| schestowitz_log_ | http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/meet-lavabits-founder-american-hero-hiding-in-plain-sight-228530 | Oct 12 12:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Meet Lavabit's founder: An American hero hiding in plain sight | Cringely - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fvjtp ] | Oct 12 12:39 |
| schestowitz_log_ | _Goblin: soon... | Oct 12 12:39 |
| schestowitz_log_ | I hope | Oct 12 12:39 |
| schestowitz_log_ | I still have 12 more interview in video | Oct 12 12:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | but I will be saving them for later | Oct 12 12:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165181 | Oct 12 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #nsa weakens the empire rather than make it stronger http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/12/us-internet-control | Oct 12 12:50 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Creating borders on the internet is what they wanted ....... complete success ....... for the USA" | Oct 12 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Have a feeling this is all to do with their Fracking plans .... but time will tell ........ There is a shutdown in Scotland too which could be very bad .... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-24501261 " | Oct 12 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165160 | Oct 12 12:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Grangemouth: Ineos says strike could 'shut much of Scotland' [ http://ur1.ca/fvjw2 ] | Oct 12 12:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Osborne plan to cut energy efficiency funds for fuel poor is 'unforgivable' http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/11/osborne-plan-cut-energy-company-obligation war on the poor, not on poverty | Oct 12 12:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Osborne plan to cut energy efficiency funds for fuel poor is 'unforgivable' | Environment | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvjw3 ] | Oct 12 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | _Goblin: was in London days ago | Oct 12 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Could come and visit, might go again next week | Oct 12 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | will be supporting FOSS for Greater London Authority | Oct 12 12:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fracking+protests+uk&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&sourceid=Mozilla-search&start=0 | Oct 12 12:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | fracking protests uk - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/fvjw7 ] | Oct 12 12:52 |
| iophk | "when they considered both sea surface temperature and surface pH together, the estimated tipping point was moved all the way up to this decade." | Oct 12 12:53 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/historically-unprecedented-climates-to-arrive-by-mid-century/ | Oct 12 12:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Historically unprecedented climates to arrive by mid-century | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fvjwd ] | Oct 12 12:53 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3164566 | Oct 12 13:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 12 13:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "That looks much better than what is promised on the box" | Oct 12 13:03 |
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| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EO_Personal_Communicator | Oct 12 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | EO Personal Communicator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvk6e ] | Oct 12 14:02 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 12 14:08 |
| MinceR | http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/90000/8000/800/198830/198830.strip.zoom.gif | Oct 12 14:27 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165169 | Oct 12 14:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Meet Lavabit's founder: An American hero hiding in plain sight http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/meet-lavabits-founder-american-hero-hiding-in-plain-sight-228530 some mates of mine used #lavabit | Oct 12 14:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "lol, i used #lavabit first-hand, i don't need to brag with my mates :P" | Oct 12 14:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I use my own with PGP signing. | Oct 12 14:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "I was working with an American client this week and this case helped us to form the foundation of the solution we needed to build." | Oct 12 14:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165178 | Oct 12 14:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: You know the world is going in the wrong direction when 1984 is no longer fiction and people can no longer ridicule RMS without challenge. | Oct 12 14:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "They'll still try, they always do." | Oct 12 14:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "I ridicule Stallman all the time. The guy is freaky. Nobody has challenged me yet." | Oct 12 14:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165181 | Oct 12 14:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Got some sort of timeline on creating borders ....... Germany was first ....... Now France and Spain ........ this all seems too set up ....... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/10/glenn-greenwald-to-publish-snowden-leaks-on-france-and-spain/ " | Oct 12 14:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.rawstory.com | Glenn Greenwald to publish Snowden leaks on France and Spain | The Raw Story [ http://ur1.ca/fvkba ] | Oct 12 14:42 |
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| ninguno | hi guys, whereis the KDMS team ? xD | Oct 12 16:13 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: HI there! Yep if youre coming to London, make sure you visit! - Oh and btw 1984 not an insightful glimse of the future, an exercise in the bloody obvious for anyone who has studied any human culture from its roots....but thats another story.... | Oct 12 16:35 |
| ninguno | O_o | Oct 12 16:36 |
| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/11/apps-on-iphone-5s-reportedly-crashing-twice-as-often-as-on-iphone-5c-and-iphone-5/ | Oct 12 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.macrumors.com | Apps on iPhone 5s Reportedly Crashing Twice as Often as on iPhone 5c and iPhone 5 - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/fvks1 ] | Oct 12 16:38 |
| Sosumi | good | Oct 12 16:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 12 16:39 |
| iophk | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nick-clegg-and-jack-straw-wade-in-toescalating-edward-snowden-furore-8875475.html | Oct 12 17:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.independent.co.uk | Nick Clegg and Jack Straw wade in to escalating Edward Snowden furore - UK Politics - UK - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/fvkvi ] | Oct 12 17:07 |
| iophk | http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-edward-snowden-american-whistle-blowers-russia-20131010,0,3811988.story | Oct 12 17:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.latimes.com | American whistle-blowers meet with Edward Snowden in Russia - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvkvj ] | Oct 12 17:07 |
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| Sosumi | meanwhile micro$haft is going to move it's support services from Portugal to Greece and Brasil leaving 120 unemployed | Oct 12 17:22 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Economia/Interior.aspx?content_id=3472036&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | Oct 12 17:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tsf.pt | Portugal: Microsoft deslocaliza serviços de apoio ao cliente e leva a 120 despedimentos - TSF [ http://ur1.ca/fvkxf ] | Oct 12 17:23 |
| MinceR | finally those people can find some productive employment :> | Oct 12 18:03 |
| iophk | Not without job skills they won't | Oct 12 18:04 |
| MinceR | should have learned something other than m$ | Oct 12 18:09 |
| MinceR | it's never too late though | Oct 12 18:09 |
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| iophk | bad practices and habits are hard to unlearn | Oct 12 18:09 |
| iophk | M$ usually gets them early so the impression is deeper | Oct 12 18:10 |
| Sosumi | employment isn't that rosy in portugal | Oct 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | losing your job now and chances are that you'll never find one again | Oct 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | also I agree with the impressions thing | Oct 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | when M$ comes at universities with keynotes and publicity stunts | Oct 12 18:13 |
| iophk | M$ should be banned from research and teaching institutions. | Oct 12 18:17 |
| iophk | It creates a way of thinking that is incompatible with efficiency and logic. | Oct 12 18:17 |
| iophk | http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/12/the-panopticon-is-extremely-convenient-so-use-facebook-google-and-chrome/ | Oct 12 18:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | The Panopticon Is Extremely Convenient (So Use Facebook, Google, And Chrome) | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/fvl5w ] | Oct 12 18:18 |
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| Sosumi | it is, but not much can be done about the backwards mentalities running those same institutions | Oct 12 18:29 |
| iophk | M$ has been position its boosters inside institutions not just in businesses. (see HP) | Oct 12 18:30 |
| Sosumi | and if you want another example of backwardness | Oct 12 18:30 |
| Sosumi | just look at my institution coordinating a course using facebook | Oct 12 18:30 |
| iophk | that's criminal :( | Oct 12 18:30 |
| Sosumi | and forcing everyone to register | Oct 12 18:31 |
| Sosumi | instead of simply setting up an IRC server | Oct 12 18:31 |
| iophk | or better - Jabber | Oct 12 18:31 |
| Sosumi | yep that too could be used | Oct 12 18:31 |
| MinceR | or better, both | Oct 12 18:31 |
| iophk | Some institutions must have criminal neglect of the teaching infrastructure. | Oct 12 18:33 |
| iophk | Even an official mailing list would be 1000% better | Oct 12 18:33 |
| Sosumi | they have rss feeds, but hardly anyone knew how to use rss... | Oct 12 18:34 |
| Sosumi | or what rss was | Oct 12 18:34 |
| iophk | yeah but rss is not that relevant to teaching | Oct 12 18:34 |
| iophk | threaded discussions would be useful and there are dozens of ways to provide that | Oct 12 18:34 |
| iophk | I know even Usenet used to be used for courses | Oct 12 18:34 |
| Sosumi | no, the obective was to keep in touch you see, tell students what to do and where to find stuff | Oct 12 18:34 |
| Sosumi | *objective | Oct 12 18:35 |
| Sosumi | but since no one knew what rss was they decided to go with facebook | Oct 12 18:35 |
| iophk | usenet works for that, so does a mailing list -- unless the students are on Outlook/Exchange. In which case the mail is too unreliable to use for important communication | Oct 12 18:35 |
| iophk | Moodle is trending, that has several modules that would apply. | Oct 12 18:36 |
| Sosumi | lol, if only a handfull of the newcomers knew what rss was | Oct 12 18:37 |
| iophk | rss won't help - it's flat and not threaded | Oct 12 18:37 |
| Sosumi | so my suggestion happened to be IRC | Oct 12 18:37 |
| Sosumi | since everyone knows MIRC | Oct 12 18:37 |
| iophk | IRC is a big waste of time. Mail would be more convenient, unless it is M$ | Oct 12 18:38 |
| iophk | with IRC it is synchronous and you all have to be logged in at the same time. You might as well use Google Hangouts or whatever it is called. | Oct 12 18:39 |
| MinceR | no, it is not synchronous | Oct 12 18:39 |
| MinceR | and i can run my client on a server and attach it when needed | Oct 12 18:39 |
| MinceR | also, it is not owned by a PRISM member | Oct 12 18:40 |
| Sosumi | actually isn't it both? | Oct 12 18:43 |
| Sosumi | synchronous and asynchronous | Oct 12 18:43 |
| MinceR | i don't consider it synchronous | Oct 12 18:43 |
| iophk | IRC does not buffer messages and to communicate all parties have to be logged in at the same time into the same server and the same channel, it is definitely synchronous | Oct 12 18:44 |
| MinceR | for example, it is not guaranteed across the network that every client will see messages by various clients in a short period of time in the same order, afaik | Oct 12 18:44 |
| iophk | With Usenet, you can leave a message or reply for someone who is not logged in and they will still get it. | Oct 12 18:44 |
| MinceR | also, you can read messages even if they were sent when you weren't paying attention | Oct 12 18:44 |
| iophk | paying attention != logged in | Oct 12 18:45 |
| MinceR | on the phone, if you don't pay attention when someone is talking to you, you will not know what they said | Oct 12 18:45 |
| iophk | phone is also synchronous | Oct 12 18:45 |
| MinceR | phone is synchronous, yes | Oct 12 18:45 |
| iophk | all parties that wish to talk to eachother must be in the same call | Oct 12 18:45 |
| MinceR | irc is not | Oct 12 18:45 |
| iophk | log out from IRC and see if you get my reply | Oct 12 18:45 |
| iophk | I'll send it as soon as you leave the channel, just for a minute, then come back | Oct 12 18:46 |
| MinceR | i'll log out of my server and i'll still get your reply | Oct 12 18:46 |
| MinceR | also, there's MemoServ | Oct 12 18:46 |
| iophk | How can you get the reply if you do not have one account or another logged in to this channel and onto freenode's server? | Oct 12 18:46 |
| MinceR | by having this client connected | Oct 12 18:47 |
| iophk | yes that's my point | Oct 12 18:47 |
| MinceR | or by using MemoServ to send and receive the message | Oct 12 18:47 |
| iophk | the client needs to be connected | Oct 12 18:47 |
| MinceR | another point: a number of people can be typing at the same time and yet they won't disturb each other's communications | Oct 12 18:47 |
| iophk | look at the logs, the thread of discussion is always a mess | Oct 12 18:48 |
| MinceR | yet it can be followed easily | Oct 12 18:49 |
| MinceR | which is not the case when multiple people are speaking at the same time | Oct 12 18:49 |
| Sosumi | I think you guys are kind of overblowing it, IRC would have been enough, in order to have a space for ppl to discuss and a rolling message with the latest news from the course coordinator or a link to something | Oct 12 18:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 18:50 |
| iophk | As much as I dislike Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_conferencing | Oct 12 18:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Synchronous conferencing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvlaz ] | Oct 12 18:50 |
| MinceR | so, how is IRC "real-time"? | Oct 12 18:51 |
| iophk | Mail would have been even easier, most have mail accounts whether at Google or Yahoo or somewhere else. | Oct 12 18:51 |
| iophk | It's not real-time in the engineering sense, that I know of . | Oct 12 18:51 |
| iophk | However, all the interaction occurs when all parties are logged in at the same time on the same server and in the same channel on that server. | Oct 12 18:52 |
| MinceR | they list XMPP, yet XMPP can deliver offline messages too | Oct 12 18:52 |
| MinceR | (if the server supports it) | Oct 12 18:52 |
| Sosumi | yes, but the same happens with facebook and google hangouts | Oct 12 18:52 |
| Sosumi | at least irc doesn't force you to register anything | Oct 12 18:52 |
| iophk | There used to be "conferencing" software at universities. | Oct 12 18:54 |
| iophk | Some was text based some was, much much later, web based. | Oct 12 18:54 |
| iophk | It allowed threaded discussions. | Oct 12 18:54 |
| MinceR | zephyr? :> | Oct 12 18:54 |
| iophk | Could be one. | Oct 12 18:55 |
| iophk | I've seen several. | Oct 12 18:55 |
| iophk | They'r e not overly complex to write. | Oct 12 18:55 |
| iophk | ... once you've seen one to begin with. | Oct 12 18:55 |
| Sosumi | yep zephyr | Oct 12 18:55 |
| iophk | If all the students are logged in at the same time, it is more or less live. | Oct 12 18:56 |
| iophk | There's not the hour or two delay or lost messages of Exchange. | Oct 12 18:56 |
| MinceR | it's also not there in sane mail servers, afaik :> | Oct 12 18:56 |
| MinceR | exchange is a horrible mess that should have been killed ages ago | Oct 12 18:56 |
| iophk | Exchange exists for some evil purpose I am sure. | Oct 12 18:57 |
| iophk | About real communications, with a real mail server you can also have Majordomo, Lyris and Mailman which all work. | Oct 12 18:57 |
| iophk | Then the users / students can work with their favorite mail client. | Oct 12 18:57 |
| iophk | No need for new tools to get in the way of the topic. | Oct 12 18:58 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 12 18:58 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 12 18:59 |
| iophk | That cost $5 a month or something like that. | Oct 12 18:59 |
| iophk | if the university doesn't already have one of them set up. | Oct 12 18:59 |
| iophk | Setting up a new list is trivial for a sysadmin. | Oct 12 18:59 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2300095/windows-81-wont-save-windows-8 | Oct 12 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Windows 8.1 won't save Windows 8- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvlek ] | Oct 12 19:13 |
| Sosumi | good | Oct 12 19:48 |
| Sosumi | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300152/iphone-5s-users-moan-of-windows-style-blue-screen-of-death | Oct 12 20:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | iPhone 5S users moan of Windows style 'blue screen of death'- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvlm4 ] | Oct 12 20:00 |
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| MinceR | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300123/facebook-rejects-privacy-says-users-can-no-longer-remain-anonymous-in-search | Oct 12 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Facebook rejects privacy, says users can no longer remain anonymous in search- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvlo1 ] | Oct 12 20:14 |
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| Sosumi | snoopbook | Oct 12 21:03 |
| Sosumi | http://www.averagemarrieddad.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/zombies-on-smartphones-536x447.jpeg | Oct 12 21:06 |
| Sosumi | sad but true | Oct 12 21:06 |
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| MinceR | strange, my smartphones didn't turn me into a zombie :> | Oct 12 21:17 |
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| Sosumi | that's because the force is strong within you! | Oct 12 21:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 21:26 |
| gulag2013 | Hey, I just stubbled upon that Facebook article. Are they any of you left using Facebook. Seems like all the hammers are coming down. I haven't read into the new Google agreements yet. | Oct 12 21:43 |
| Sosumi | I don't use derpbook but I have a google account mostly because everyone has one | Oct 12 21:44 |
| Sosumi | peer pressure :( | Oct 12 21:44 |
| Sosumi | ho and I have a twitter account too since rss is not used in some sites | Oct 12 21:50 |
| Sosumi | and google trying to kill rss in favor of G+ didn't help either | Oct 12 21:51 |
| Sosumi | google reader, I think that was how it was called | Oct 12 21:51 |
| MinceR | they didn't kill rss, they only killed their reader | Oct 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | yes, but you see, they tried to put a nail on it | Oct 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | https://www.google.pt/intl/en/policies/terms/changes/ | Oct 12 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.pt | Terms of Service update – Policies & Principles – Google [ http://ur1.ca/fvm7w ] | Oct 12 21:53 |
| Sosumi | crApple also tried when they removed native rss support from OSX | Oct 12 21:53 |
| Sosumi | and you had to run Reeder which in turn used google reader :) | Oct 12 21:55 |
| Sosumi | in other words they want to datamine and profile you | Oct 12 22:21 |
| Sosumi | well at least google knows that I'm a sentient owl, hope they make me famous | Oct 12 22:23 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 22:23 |
| gulag2013 | There is no bigger threat than MS wanting you to login with a Microsoft account on your desktop. No wait they all do that, I retract that | Oct 12 22:24 |
| Sosumi | crApple also does that by default | Oct 12 22:24 |
| Sosumi | the only way to opt out is to have the machine desconected from the net | Oct 12 22:25 |
| gulag2013 | Apple, Android, so my linux box is the only one I don't have a cloud account with | Oct 12 22:25 |
| Sosumi | also, crApple also pronpts if you want to store your disk encryption key on their servers | Oct 12 22:26 |
| gulag2013 | lovely. I don't own a Mac. | Oct 12 22:26 |
| Sosumi | so... it's indeed all of them | Oct 12 22:26 |
| gulag2013 | Doesn't mean I don't want a Mac. Can you still have a local user? | Oct 12 22:27 |
| Sosumi | I still have 2 2009 mac pros and a small xserve cluster, but none run osx at moment | Oct 12 22:27 |
| Sosumi | you can have on both local user | Oct 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | but, you need to pay attention when clicking things | Oct 12 22:28 |
| gulag2013 | Interesting, so what are you using on your Mac Pro. Love the cases on those things. | Oct 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | also, when setting up the machine don't setup your .mac account imediatly, do it later after booting into the desktop | Oct 12 22:29 |
| gulag2013 | Good to know | Oct 12 22:29 |
| Sosumi | and yes don't forget to have it disconeted from the net | Oct 12 22:29 |
| Sosumi | when setting it up, check the box that says that your computer doesn't connect to the internet | Oct 12 22:29 |
| Sosumi | and that's it | Oct 12 22:29 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, I just did that with a Win 8.1 install, that is getting wiped soon. | Oct 12 22:29 |
| Sosumi | windows wait one more year | Oct 12 22:30 |
| Sosumi | that's what 8.1 means | Oct 12 22:30 |
| gulag2013 | No i'm done waiting. This is garbage for my circumstances. | Oct 12 22:31 |
| gulag2013 | I have given them chance after chance. Like listening to a whining partner. | Oct 12 22:32 |
| gulag2013 | How do you run a business on half baked products, and that get a round of applause for tweaking a few things. | Oct 12 22:33 |
| Sosumi | I don't know, never really used M$ stuff outside of gaming and some benchmarks | Oct 12 22:34 |
| gulag2013 | I digress, my energy could be served learning more linux commands | Oct 12 22:34 |
| _Goblin | gulag2013 I would doubt (if you go for a "mainstream" distro) you would even need to learn "linux commands" | Oct 12 22:35 |
| _Goblin | I assume you refer to shell. | Oct 12 22:36 |
| gulag2013 | That makes sense Gaming, and what else Adobe stuff? | Oct 12 22:36 |
| gulag2013 | Yes I did mean Bash, I should be much better at it. Like you said it can be point and click if that is all you want to know. | Oct 12 22:37 |
| Sosumi | I don't need adobe stuff, acrobat could be handy sometimes, but meh | Oct 12 22:37 |
| _Goblin | I think I only go to the cli for the "cat" or "uptime" commands. | Oct 12 22:38 |
| gulag2013 | I'm on a chapter about Variables, and i'm little confused on what they are for. I will find some Youtube goodness on the topic | Oct 12 22:38 |
| _Goblin | very handy your "cat" command....when used with a pipe. | Oct 12 22:38 |
| _Goblin | for example "cat tim1.mpg tim2.mpg tim3.mpg > final.mpg" - joins your files together nicely | Oct 12 22:40 |
| _Goblin | provided they are all encoded in the same way with the same BR (in the case of using CAT for a mpg) | Oct 12 22:40 |
| gulag2013 | Goblin, that rocks I had no idea cat could do that. | Oct 12 22:41 |
| _Goblin | yep... | Oct 12 22:42 |
| _Goblin | very handy | Oct 12 22:42 |
| MinceR | it's more of 'mpg doing that' :> | Oct 12 22:42 |
| MinceR | (it's a property of the container format) | Oct 12 22:42 |
| _Goblin | and > being the operative symbol | Oct 12 22:42 |
| gulag2013 | I have really only used it for text. Time to pull up the man pages | Oct 12 22:42 |
| gulag2013 | that is just redirection right? | Oct 12 22:43 |
| _Goblin | just pipe to another file instead of "crt" and presto... | Oct 12 22:43 |
| _Goblin | so yes.... | Oct 12 22:43 |
| _Goblin | My wife has a habit of recording video off the camera in many chunks, so CAT comes in very handy... | Oct 12 22:44 |
| gulag2013 | So two will just >> will add to the a file and not overwrite, if I remember correctly | Oct 12 22:44 |
| _Goblin | hmm..... | Oct 12 22:44 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 12 22:45 |
| MinceR | >> appends | Oct 12 22:45 |
| _Goblin | I'd have to check......I'm not a "bash expert" | Oct 12 22:45 |
| MinceR | > overwrites | Oct 12 22:45 |
| gulag2013 | Awesome | Oct 12 22:45 |
| _Goblin | oh and there you go... | Oct 12 22:45 |
| _Goblin | answer! - I've learnt something too! | Oct 12 22:45 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 22:45 |
| gulag2013 | I have linux for dummies, I have no shame. it's actually okay for a few things | Oct 12 22:46 |
| gulag2013 | I just wish it was more bash and less gui, because that stuff is dated. | Oct 12 22:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 22:47 |
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| Sosumi | well, it's time to go bed | Oct 12 23:11 |
| Sosumi | gn | Oct 12 23:11 |
| MinceR | o/ | Oct 12 23:12 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 12 00:51 |
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| sebsebseb | hi oiaohm | Oct 12 04:09 |
| oiaohm | hi sebsebseb | Oct 12 04:26 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: its interesting that HP is now viewing Microsoft and Intel as possible enemies. | Oct 12 04:26 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: are they oh? its late here, but not for me as such really | Oct 12 04:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but uhmm found out about something interesting | Oct 12 04:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: how about a learning how to make robots workship aimed at kids using Rassbery Pi's? sounds good too me, but the thing is if my much younger little brother will be interested or not hmm | Oct 12 04:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: taster session, and then a series of workshops | Oct 12 04:29 |
| sebsebseb | for those intressted | Oct 12 04:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: however the provitional dates are when I am going away, but I don't drive personally anyway, and the idea is for them to gowith their parant/s | Oct 12 04:30 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I have a feeling that may be able to get some interest | Oct 12 04:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but don't know yet | Oct 12 04:31 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: however ICT is rubbish at school as he knows, and this would be learning something proper with tech :) | Oct 12 04:31 |
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| oiaohm | sebsebseb: http://elinux.org/RPi_Expansion_Boards#AFLEX_Robotic_Board | Oct 12 04:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | elinux.org | RPi Expansion Boards - eLinux.org [ http://ur1.ca/fvi06 ] | Oct 12 04:36 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: there are a lot of core robot boards for the Rassbery Pi | Oct 12 04:36 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh I still not connececte mine etc | Oct 12 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | had a few months now | Oct 12 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah there's quite a bit of interest in them from Linux people in the city near me | Oct 12 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | and so on | Oct 12 04:37 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: those boards connect to all stock Rassbery pi | Oct 12 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: now then who would take him to this thing, my Mum yeah possibly | Oct 12 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | my older brother maybe | Oct 12 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | and well both of them aren't really that technical, more so my Mum | Oct 12 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | so could do the good too, going to this thing as well :d | Oct 12 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | coud do them, above | Oct 12 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: ,but yeah robots are nteresitng, I remember seeing one walking around at FOSDEM this year for example | Oct 12 04:39 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/breadboard/ | Oct 12 04:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cl.cam.ac.uk | Using a Breadboard - Physical Computing with Raspberry Pi [ http://ur1.ca/fvi12 ] | Oct 12 04:41 |
| oiaohm | The fun think about the Pi's is there are a lot of resources todo all kinds of things. | Oct 12 04:41 |
| sebsebseb | yep I know | Oct 12 04:43 |
| sebsebseb | loads can be done with it | Oct 12 04:43 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: some ways arduino robot can be the best for the first attemp. | Oct 12 04:45 |
| oiaohm | attempt. | Oct 12 04:45 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__37891__Arduino_4WD_Ultrasonic_Robot_Kit.html?gclid=CJGt6ZaxkLoCFUVlpgodtjoAUQ | Oct 12 04:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hobbyking.com | Arduino 4WD Ultrasonic Robot Kit [ http://ur1.ca/fvi1w ] | Oct 12 04:47 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: there are some quite nice beginner kits/prebuilt in the Ardruino line. | Oct 12 04:47 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: most can be converted to Pi configuration latter. | Oct 12 04:48 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: right ok | Oct 12 04:50 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: the not really techical normally rules out starting straight with Pi or manual build. | Oct 12 04:56 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: other thing to consier is get the toughest built one you can. Why they will crash it. | Oct 12 04:57 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: do they live near the sea or like doing water sports. | Oct 12 04:59 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: who? | Oct 12 04:59 |
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| oiaohm | sebsebseb: there are list of robots for water activies. | Oct 12 05:35 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | > 3 weeks ago I sent several questions after you had agreed to help | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > publish an interview about GNU's anniversary. Have you had an | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > opportunity to make progress on this? | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > No, I have fallen behind and I even forgot about it. | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > Thanks for reminding me. | Oct 12 07:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | (RMS) | Oct 12 07:58 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz, I look forward to your RMS stuff.... | Oct 12 10:58 |
| iophk | "A former Skype engineer, who declined to be named because of the sensitive nature of the issue, told the Guardian that the company worked to build in a "listening element" to help Chinese authorities monitor users' communications for keywords, triggering a warning to alert the government when certain phrases get typed into its chat interface." | Oct 12 11:15 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/11/skype-ten-microsoft-nsa | Oct 12 11:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Skype under investigation in Luxembourg over link to NSA | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvjhz ] | Oct 12 11:15 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300196/european-data-watchdog-investigates-skype-leaks-to-the-nsa | Oct 12 11:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | European data watchdog investigates Skype leaks to the NSA- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvji1 ] | Oct 12 11:16 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/12/us-internet-control | Oct 12 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.co.uk | The US is losing control of the internet (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/fvjji ] | Oct 12 11:26 |
| iophk | http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-brief/80646-does-a-chromebook-replace-a-laptop | Oct 12 11:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tgdaily.com | Does a Chromebook replace a laptop? | TG Daily [ http://ur1.ca/fvjk9 ] | Oct 12 11:30 |
| iophk | http://www.citeworld.com/security/22535/mobile-payments-apps-outrageous-permissions | Oct 12 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.citeworld.com | The outrageous permissions required by mobile payments apps | CITEworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvjqu ] | Oct 12 12:18 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | not fond of Cringley but it is a good topic: | Oct 12 12:39 |
| schestowitz_log_ | http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/meet-lavabits-founder-american-hero-hiding-in-plain-sight-228530 | Oct 12 12:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Meet Lavabit's founder: An American hero hiding in plain sight | Cringely - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fvjtp ] | Oct 12 12:39 |
| schestowitz_log_ | _Goblin: soon... | Oct 12 12:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | I hope | Oct 12 12:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | I still have 12 more interview in video | Oct 12 12:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | but I will be saving them for later | Oct 12 12:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165181 | Oct 12 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #nsa weakens the empire rather than make it stronger http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/12/us-internet-control | Oct 12 12:50 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Creating borders on the internet is what they wanted ....... complete success ....... for the USA" | Oct 12 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Have a feeling this is all to do with their Fracking plans .... but time will tell ........ There is a shutdown in Scotland too which could be very bad .... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-24501261 " | Oct 12 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165160 | Oct 12 12:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Grangemouth: Ineos says strike could 'shut much of Scotland' [ http://ur1.ca/fvjw2 ] | Oct 12 12:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Osborne plan to cut energy efficiency funds for fuel poor is 'unforgivable' http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/11/osborne-plan-cut-energy-company-obligation war on the poor, not on poverty | Oct 12 12:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Osborne plan to cut energy efficiency funds for fuel poor is 'unforgivable' | Environment | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvjw3 ] | Oct 12 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | _Goblin: was in London days ago | Oct 12 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Could come and visit, might go again next week | Oct 12 12:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | will be supporting FOSS for Greater London Authority | Oct 12 12:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fracking+protests+uk&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&sourceid=Mozilla-search&start=0 | Oct 12 12:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | fracking protests uk - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/fvjw7 ] | Oct 12 12:52 |
| iophk | "when they considered both sea surface temperature and surface pH together, the estimated tipping point was moved all the way up to this decade." | Oct 12 12:53 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/historically-unprecedented-climates-to-arrive-by-mid-century/ | Oct 12 12:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Historically unprecedented climates to arrive by mid-century | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fvjwd ] | Oct 12 12:53 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3164566 | Oct 12 13:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 12 13:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "That looks much better than what is promised on the box" | Oct 12 13:03 |
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| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EO_Personal_Communicator | Oct 12 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | EO Personal Communicator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvk6e ] | Oct 12 14:02 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 12 14:09 |
| MinceR | http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/90000/8000/800/198830/198830.strip.zoom.gif | Oct 12 14:27 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165169 | Oct 12 14:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Meet Lavabit's founder: An American hero hiding in plain sight http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/meet-lavabits-founder-american-hero-hiding-in-plain-sight-228530 some mates of mine used #lavabit | Oct 12 14:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "lol, i used #lavabit first-hand, i don't need to brag with my mates :P" | Oct 12 14:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I use my own with PGP signing. | Oct 12 14:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "I was working with an American client this week and this case helped us to form the foundation of the solution we needed to build." | Oct 12 14:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165178 | Oct 12 14:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: You know the world is going in the wrong direction when 1984 is no longer fiction and people can no longer ridicule RMS without challenge. | Oct 12 14:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "They'll still try, they always do." | Oct 12 14:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "I ridicule Stallman all the time. The guy is freaky. Nobody has challenged me yet." | Oct 12 14:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165181 | Oct 12 14:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Got some sort of timeline on creating borders ....... Germany was first ....... Now France and Spain ........ this all seems too set up ....... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/10/glenn-greenwald-to-publish-snowden-leaks-on-france-and-spain/ " | Oct 12 14:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.rawstory.com | Glenn Greenwald to publish Snowden leaks on France and Spain | The Raw Story [ http://ur1.ca/fvkba ] | Oct 12 14:42 |
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| ninguno | hi guys, whereis the KDMS team ? xD | Oct 12 16:13 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: HI there! Yep if youre coming to London, make sure you visit! - Oh and btw 1984 not an insightful glimse of the future, an exercise in the bloody obvious for anyone who has studied any human culture from its roots....but thats another story.... | Oct 12 16:36 |
| ninguno | O_o | Oct 12 16:36 |
| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/11/apps-on-iphone-5s-reportedly-crashing-twice-as-often-as-on-iphone-5c-and-iphone-5/ | Oct 12 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.macrumors.com | Apps on iPhone 5s Reportedly Crashing Twice as Often as on iPhone 5c and iPhone 5 - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/fvks1 ] | Oct 12 16:38 |
| Sosumi | good | Oct 12 16:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 12 16:39 |
| iophk | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nick-clegg-and-jack-straw-wade-in-toescalating-edward-snowden-furore-8875475.html | Oct 12 17:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.independent.co.uk | Nick Clegg and Jack Straw wade in to escalating Edward Snowden furore - UK Politics - UK - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/fvkvi ] | Oct 12 17:07 |
| iophk | http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-edward-snowden-american-whistle-blowers-russia-20131010,0,3811988.story | Oct 12 17:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.latimes.com | American whistle-blowers meet with Edward Snowden in Russia - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvkvj ] | Oct 12 17:07 |
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| Sosumi | meanwhile micro$haft is going to move it's support services from Portugal to Greece and Brasil leaving 120 unemployed | Oct 12 17:23 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Economia/Interior.aspx?content_id=3472036&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | Oct 12 17:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tsf.pt | Portugal: Microsoft deslocaliza serviços de apoio ao cliente e leva a 120 despedimentos - TSF [ http://ur1.ca/fvkxf ] | Oct 12 17:23 |
| MinceR | finally those people can find some productive employment :> | Oct 12 18:03 |
| iophk | Not without job skills they won't | Oct 12 18:04 |
| MinceR | should have learned something other than m$ | Oct 12 18:09 |
| MinceR | it's never too late though | Oct 12 18:09 |
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| iophk | bad practices and habits are hard to unlearn | Oct 12 18:09 |
| iophk | M$ usually gets them early so the impression is deeper | Oct 12 18:10 |
| Sosumi | employment isn't that rosy in portugal | Oct 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | losing your job now and chances are that you'll never find one again | Oct 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | also I agree with the impressions thing | Oct 12 18:13 |
| Sosumi | when M$ comes at universities with keynotes and publicity stunts | Oct 12 18:13 |
| iophk | M$ should be banned from research and teaching institutions. | Oct 12 18:17 |
| iophk | It creates a way of thinking that is incompatible with efficiency and logic. | Oct 12 18:18 |
| iophk | http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/12/the-panopticon-is-extremely-convenient-so-use-facebook-google-and-chrome/ | Oct 12 18:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | The Panopticon Is Extremely Convenient (So Use Facebook, Google, And Chrome) | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/fvl5w ] | Oct 12 18:18 |
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| Sosumi | it is, but not much can be done about the backwards mentalities running those same institutions | Oct 12 18:29 |
| iophk | M$ has been position its boosters inside institutions not just in businesses. (see HP) | Oct 12 18:30 |
| Sosumi | and if you want another example of backwardness | Oct 12 18:30 |
| Sosumi | just look at my institution coordinating a course using facebook | Oct 12 18:30 |
| iophk | that's criminal :( | Oct 12 18:30 |
| Sosumi | and forcing everyone to register | Oct 12 18:31 |
| Sosumi | instead of simply setting up an IRC server | Oct 12 18:31 |
| iophk | or better - Jabber | Oct 12 18:31 |
| Sosumi | yep that too could be used | Oct 12 18:31 |
| MinceR | or better, both | Oct 12 18:31 |
| iophk | Some institutions must have criminal neglect of the teaching infrastructure. | Oct 12 18:33 |
| iophk | Even an official mailing list would be 1000% better | Oct 12 18:33 |
| Sosumi | they have rss feeds, but hardly anyone knew how to use rss... | Oct 12 18:34 |
| Sosumi | or what rss was | Oct 12 18:34 |
| iophk | yeah but rss is not that relevant to teaching | Oct 12 18:34 |
| iophk | threaded discussions would be useful and there are dozens of ways to provide that | Oct 12 18:34 |
| iophk | I know even Usenet used to be used for courses | Oct 12 18:34 |
| Sosumi | no, the obective was to keep in touch you see, tell students what to do and where to find stuff | Oct 12 18:34 |
| Sosumi | *objective | Oct 12 18:35 |
| Sosumi | but since no one knew what rss was they decided to go with facebook | Oct 12 18:35 |
| iophk | usenet works for that, so does a mailing list -- unless the students are on Outlook/Exchange. In which case the mail is too unreliable to use for important communication | Oct 12 18:35 |
| iophk | Moodle is trending, that has several modules that would apply. | Oct 12 18:36 |
| Sosumi | lol, if only a handfull of the newcomers knew what rss was | Oct 12 18:37 |
| iophk | rss won't help - it's flat and not threaded | Oct 12 18:37 |
| Sosumi | so my suggestion happened to be IRC | Oct 12 18:37 |
| Sosumi | since everyone knows MIRC | Oct 12 18:37 |
| iophk | IRC is a big waste of time. Mail would be more convenient, unless it is M$ | Oct 12 18:38 |
| iophk | with IRC it is synchronous and you all have to be logged in at the same time. You might as well use Google Hangouts or whatever it is called. | Oct 12 18:39 |
| MinceR | no, it is not synchronous | Oct 12 18:39 |
| MinceR | and i can run my client on a server and attach it when needed | Oct 12 18:39 |
| MinceR | also, it is not owned by a PRISM member | Oct 12 18:40 |
| Sosumi | actually isn't it both? | Oct 12 18:43 |
| Sosumi | synchronous and asynchronous | Oct 12 18:43 |
| MinceR | i don't consider it synchronous | Oct 12 18:43 |
| iophk | IRC does not buffer messages and to communicate all parties have to be logged in at the same time into the same server and the same channel, it is definitely synchronous | Oct 12 18:44 |
| MinceR | for example, it is not guaranteed across the network that every client will see messages by various clients in a short period of time in the same order, afaik | Oct 12 18:44 |
| iophk | With Usenet, you can leave a message or reply for someone who is not logged in and they will still get it. | Oct 12 18:44 |
| MinceR | also, you can read messages even if they were sent when you weren't paying attention | Oct 12 18:44 |
| iophk | paying attention != logged in | Oct 12 18:45 |
| MinceR | on the phone, if you don't pay attention when someone is talking to you, you will not know what they said | Oct 12 18:45 |
| iophk | phone is also synchronous | Oct 12 18:45 |
| MinceR | phone is synchronous, yes | Oct 12 18:45 |
| iophk | all parties that wish to talk to eachother must be in the same call | Oct 12 18:45 |
| MinceR | irc is not | Oct 12 18:45 |
| iophk | log out from IRC and see if you get my reply | Oct 12 18:45 |
| iophk | I'll send it as soon as you leave the channel, just for a minute, then come back | Oct 12 18:46 |
| MinceR | i'll log out of my server and i'll still get your reply | Oct 12 18:46 |
| MinceR | also, there's MemoServ | Oct 12 18:46 |
| iophk | How can you get the reply if you do not have one account or another logged in to this channel and onto freenode's server? | Oct 12 18:46 |
| MinceR | by having this client connected | Oct 12 18:47 |
| iophk | yes that's my point | Oct 12 18:47 |
| MinceR | or by using MemoServ to send and receive the message | Oct 12 18:47 |
| iophk | the client needs to be connected | Oct 12 18:47 |
| MinceR | another point: a number of people can be typing at the same time and yet they won't disturb each other's communications | Oct 12 18:47 |
| iophk | look at the logs, the thread of discussion is always a mess | Oct 12 18:48 |
| MinceR | yet it can be followed easily | Oct 12 18:49 |
| MinceR | which is not the case when multiple people are speaking at the same time | Oct 12 18:49 |
| Sosumi | I think you guys are kind of overblowing it, IRC would have been enough, in order to have a space for ppl to discuss and a rolling message with the latest news from the course coordinator or a link to something | Oct 12 18:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 18:50 |
| iophk | As much as I dislike Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_conferencing | Oct 12 18:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Synchronous conferencing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvlaz ] | Oct 12 18:50 |
| MinceR | so, how is IRC "real-time"? | Oct 12 18:51 |
| iophk | Mail would have been even easier, most have mail accounts whether at Google or Yahoo or somewhere else. | Oct 12 18:51 |
| iophk | It's not real-time in the engineering sense, that I know of . | Oct 12 18:51 |
| iophk | However, all the interaction occurs when all parties are logged in at the same time on the same server and in the same channel on that server. | Oct 12 18:52 |
| MinceR | they list XMPP, yet XMPP can deliver offline messages too | Oct 12 18:52 |
| MinceR | (if the server supports it) | Oct 12 18:52 |
| Sosumi | yes, but the same happens with facebook and google hangouts | Oct 12 18:52 |
| Sosumi | at least irc doesn't force you to register anything | Oct 12 18:52 |
| iophk | There used to be "conferencing" software at universities. | Oct 12 18:54 |
| iophk | Some was text based some was, much much later, web based. | Oct 12 18:54 |
| iophk | It allowed threaded discussions. | Oct 12 18:54 |
| MinceR | zephyr? :> | Oct 12 18:54 |
| iophk | Could be one. | Oct 12 18:55 |
| iophk | I've seen several. | Oct 12 18:55 |
| iophk | They'r e not overly complex to write. | Oct 12 18:55 |
| iophk | ... once you've seen one to begin with. | Oct 12 18:55 |
| Sosumi | yep zephyr | Oct 12 18:55 |
| iophk | If all the students are logged in at the same time, it is more or less live. | Oct 12 18:56 |
| iophk | There's not the hour or two delay or lost messages of Exchange. | Oct 12 18:56 |
| MinceR | it's also not there in sane mail servers, afaik :> | Oct 12 18:56 |
| MinceR | exchange is a horrible mess that should have been killed ages ago | Oct 12 18:56 |
| iophk | Exchange exists for some evil purpose I am sure. | Oct 12 18:57 |
| iophk | About real communications, with a real mail server you can also have Majordomo, Lyris and Mailman which all work. | Oct 12 18:57 |
| iophk | Then the users / students can work with their favorite mail client. | Oct 12 18:57 |
| iophk | No need for new tools to get in the way of the topic. | Oct 12 18:58 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 12 18:58 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 12 18:59 |
| iophk | That cost $5 a month or something like that. | Oct 12 18:59 |
| iophk | if the university doesn't already have one of them set up. | Oct 12 18:59 |
| iophk | Setting up a new list is trivial for a sysadmin. | Oct 12 18:59 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2300095/windows-81-wont-save-windows-8 | Oct 12 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Windows 8.1 won't save Windows 8- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvlek ] | Oct 12 19:13 |
| Sosumi | good | Oct 12 19:48 |
| Sosumi | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300152/iphone-5s-users-moan-of-windows-style-blue-screen-of-death | Oct 12 20:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | iPhone 5S users moan of Windows style 'blue screen of death'- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvlm4 ] | Oct 12 20:00 |
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| MinceR | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300123/facebook-rejects-privacy-says-users-can-no-longer-remain-anonymous-in-search | Oct 12 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Facebook rejects privacy, says users can no longer remain anonymous in search- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvlo1 ] | Oct 12 20:14 |
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| Sosumi | snoopbook | Oct 12 21:03 |
| Sosumi | http://www.averagemarrieddad.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/zombies-on-smartphones-536x447.jpeg | Oct 12 21:06 |
| Sosumi | sad but true | Oct 12 21:06 |
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| MinceR | strange, my smartphones didn't turn me into a zombie :> | Oct 12 21:17 |
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| Sosumi | that's because the force is strong within you! | Oct 12 21:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 21:26 |
| gulag2013 | Hey, I just stubbled upon that Facebook article. Are they any of you left using Facebook. Seems like all the hammers are coming down. I haven't read into the new Google agreements yet. | Oct 12 21:43 |
| Sosumi | I don't use derpbook but I have a google account mostly because everyone has one | Oct 12 21:44 |
| Sosumi | peer pressure :( | Oct 12 21:44 |
| Sosumi | ho and I have a twitter account too since rss is not used in some sites | Oct 12 21:50 |
| Sosumi | and google trying to kill rss in favor of G+ didn't help either | Oct 12 21:51 |
| Sosumi | google reader, I think that was how it was called | Oct 12 21:51 |
| MinceR | they didn't kill rss, they only killed their reader | Oct 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | yes, but you see, they tried to put a nail on it | Oct 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | https://www.google.pt/intl/en/policies/terms/changes/ | Oct 12 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.pt | Terms of Service update – Policies & Principles – Google [ http://ur1.ca/fvm7w ] | Oct 12 21:53 |
| Sosumi | crApple also tried when they removed native rss support from OSX | Oct 12 21:53 |
| Sosumi | and you had to run Reeder which in turn used google reader :) | Oct 12 21:55 |
| Sosumi | in other words they want to datamine and profile you | Oct 12 22:21 |
| Sosumi | well at least google knows that I'm a sentient owl, hope they make me famous | Oct 12 22:23 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 22:23 |
| gulag2013 | There is no bigger threat than MS wanting you to login with a Microsoft account on your desktop. No wait they all do that, I retract that | Oct 12 22:24 |
| Sosumi | crApple also does that by default | Oct 12 22:24 |
| Sosumi | the only way to opt out is to have the machine desconected from the net | Oct 12 22:25 |
| gulag2013 | Apple, Android, so my linux box is the only one I don't have a cloud account with | Oct 12 22:25 |
| Sosumi | also, crApple also pronpts if you want to store your disk encryption key on their servers | Oct 12 22:26 |
| gulag2013 | lovely. I don't own a Mac. | Oct 12 22:26 |
| Sosumi | so... it's indeed all of them | Oct 12 22:26 |
| gulag2013 | Doesn't mean I don't want a Mac. Can you still have a local user? | Oct 12 22:27 |
| Sosumi | I still have 2 2009 mac pros and a small xserve cluster, but none run osx at moment | Oct 12 22:27 |
| Sosumi | you can have on both local user | Oct 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | but, you need to pay attention when clicking things | Oct 12 22:28 |
| gulag2013 | Interesting, so what are you using on your Mac Pro. Love the cases on those things. | Oct 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | also, when setting up the machine don't setup your .mac account imediatly, do it later after booting into the desktop | Oct 12 22:29 |
| gulag2013 | Good to know | Oct 12 22:29 |
| Sosumi | and yes don't forget to have it disconeted from the net | Oct 12 22:29 |
| Sosumi | when setting it up, check the box that says that your computer doesn't connect to the internet | Oct 12 22:29 |
| Sosumi | and that's it | Oct 12 22:29 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, I just did that with a Win 8.1 install, that is getting wiped soon. | Oct 12 22:29 |
| Sosumi | windows wait one more year | Oct 12 22:30 |
| Sosumi | that's what 8.1 means | Oct 12 22:30 |
| gulag2013 | No i'm done waiting. This is garbage for my circumstances. | Oct 12 22:31 |
| gulag2013 | I have given them chance after chance. Like listening to a whining partner. | Oct 12 22:32 |
| gulag2013 | How do you run a business on half baked products, and that get a round of applause for tweaking a few things. | Oct 12 22:33 |
| Sosumi | I don't know, never really used M$ stuff outside of gaming and some benchmarks | Oct 12 22:34 |
| gulag2013 | I digress, my energy could be served learning more linux commands | Oct 12 22:34 |
| _Goblin | gulag2013 I would doubt (if you go for a "mainstream" distro) you would even need to learn "linux commands" | Oct 12 22:35 |
| _Goblin | I assume you refer to shell. | Oct 12 22:36 |
| gulag2013 | That makes sense Gaming, and what else Adobe stuff? | Oct 12 22:36 |
| gulag2013 | Yes I did mean Bash, I should be much better at it. Like you said it can be point and click if that is all you want to know. | Oct 12 22:37 |
| Sosumi | I don't need adobe stuff, acrobat could be handy sometimes, but meh | Oct 12 22:37 |
| _Goblin | I think I only go to the cli for the "cat" or "uptime" commands. | Oct 12 22:38 |
| gulag2013 | I'm on a chapter about Variables, and i'm little confused on what they are for. I will find some Youtube goodness on the topic | Oct 12 22:38 |
| _Goblin | very handy your "cat" command....when used with a pipe. | Oct 12 22:38 |
| _Goblin | for example "cat tim1.mpg tim2.mpg tim3.mpg > final.mpg" - joins your files together nicely | Oct 12 22:40 |
| _Goblin | provided they are all encoded in the same way with the same BR (in the case of using CAT for a mpg) | Oct 12 22:40 |
| gulag2013 | Goblin, that rocks I had no idea cat could do that. | Oct 12 22:41 |
| _Goblin | yep... | Oct 12 22:42 |
| _Goblin | very handy | Oct 12 22:42 |
| MinceR | it's more of 'mpg doing that' :> | Oct 12 22:42 |
| MinceR | (it's a property of the container format) | Oct 12 22:42 |
| _Goblin | and > being the operative symbol | Oct 12 22:42 |
| gulag2013 | I have really only used it for text. Time to pull up the man pages | Oct 12 22:42 |
| gulag2013 | that is just redirection right? | Oct 12 22:43 |
| _Goblin | just pipe to another file instead of "crt" and presto... | Oct 12 22:43 |
| _Goblin | so yes.... | Oct 12 22:43 |
| _Goblin | My wife has a habit of recording video off the camera in many chunks, so CAT comes in very handy... | Oct 12 22:44 |
| gulag2013 | So two will just >> will add to the a file and not overwrite, if I remember correctly | Oct 12 22:44 |
| _Goblin | hmm..... | Oct 12 22:44 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 12 22:45 |
| MinceR | >> appends | Oct 12 22:45 |
| _Goblin | I'd have to check......I'm not a "bash expert" | Oct 12 22:45 |
| MinceR | > overwrites | Oct 12 22:45 |
| gulag2013 | Awesome | Oct 12 22:45 |
| _Goblin | oh and there you go... | Oct 12 22:45 |
| _Goblin | answer! - I've learnt something too! | Oct 12 22:45 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 22:45 |
| gulag2013 | I have linux for dummies, I have no shame. it's actually okay for a few things | Oct 12 22:46 |
| gulag2013 | I just wish it was more bash and less gui, because that stuff is dated. | Oct 12 22:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 22:47 |
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| Sosumi | well, it's time to go bed | Oct 12 23:11 |
| Sosumi | gn | Oct 12 23:11 |
| MinceR | o/ | Oct 12 23:12 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | > 3 weeks ago I sent several questions after you had agreed to help | Oct 12 02:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > publish an interview about GNU's anniversary. Have you had an | Oct 12 02:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > opportunity to make progress on this? | Oct 12 02:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > | Oct 12 02:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > No, I have fallen behind and I even forgot about it. | Oct 12 02:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | > Thanks for reminding me. | Oct 12 02:58 |
| schestowitz_log_ | (RMS) | Oct 12 02:58 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz, I look forward to your RMS stuff.... | Oct 12 05:58 |
| iophk | "A former Skype engineer, who declined to be named because of the sensitive nature of the issue, told the Guardian that the company worked to build in a "listening element" to help Chinese authorities monitor users' communications for keywords, triggering a warning to alert the government when certain phrases get typed into its chat interface." | Oct 12 06:15 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/11/skype-ten-microsoft-nsa | Oct 12 06:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Skype under investigation in Luxembourg over link to NSA | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvjhz ] | Oct 12 06:15 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300196/european-data-watchdog-investigates-skype-leaks-to-the-nsa | Oct 12 06:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | European data watchdog investigates Skype leaks to the NSA- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvji1 ] | Oct 12 06:16 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/12/us-internet-control | Oct 12 06:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.co.uk | The US is losing control of the internet (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/fvjji ] | Oct 12 06:26 |
| iophk | http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-brief/80646-does-a-chromebook-replace-a-laptop | Oct 12 06:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tgdaily.com | Does a Chromebook replace a laptop? | TG Daily [ http://ur1.ca/fvjk9 ] | Oct 12 06:30 |
| iophk | http://www.citeworld.com/security/22535/mobile-payments-apps-outrageous-permissions | Oct 12 07:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.citeworld.com | The outrageous permissions required by mobile payments apps | CITEworld [ http://ur1.ca/fvjqu ] | Oct 12 07:18 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | not fond of Cringley but it is a good topic: | Oct 12 07:39 |
| schestowitz_log_ | http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/meet-lavabits-founder-american-hero-hiding-in-plain-sight-228530 | Oct 12 07:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Meet Lavabit's founder: An American hero hiding in plain sight | Cringely - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fvjtp ] | Oct 12 07:39 |
| schestowitz_log_ | _Goblin: soon... | Oct 12 07:39 |
| schestowitz_log_ | I hope | Oct 12 07:39 |
| schestowitz_log_ | I still have 12 more interview in video | Oct 12 07:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | but I will be saving them for later | Oct 12 07:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165181 | Oct 12 07:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #nsa weakens the empire rather than make it stronger http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/12/us-internet-control | Oct 12 07:50 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Creating borders on the internet is what they wanted ....... complete success ....... for the USA" | Oct 12 07:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Have a feeling this is all to do with their Fracking plans .... but time will tell ........ There is a shutdown in Scotland too which could be very bad .... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-24501261 " | Oct 12 07:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165160 | Oct 12 07:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Grangemouth: Ineos says strike could 'shut much of Scotland' [ http://ur1.ca/fvjw2 ] | Oct 12 07:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Osborne plan to cut energy efficiency funds for fuel poor is 'unforgivable' http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/11/osborne-plan-cut-energy-company-obligation war on the poor, not on poverty | Oct 12 07:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Osborne plan to cut energy efficiency funds for fuel poor is 'unforgivable' | Environment | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvjw3 ] | Oct 12 07:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | _Goblin: was in London days ago | Oct 12 07:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Could come and visit, might go again next week | Oct 12 07:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | will be supporting FOSS for Greater London Authority | Oct 12 07:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fracking+protests+uk&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&sourceid=Mozilla-search&start=0 | Oct 12 07:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | fracking protests uk - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/fvjw7 ] | Oct 12 07:52 |
| iophk | "when they considered both sea surface temperature and surface pH together, the estimated tipping point was moved all the way up to this decade." | Oct 12 07:53 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/historically-unprecedented-climates-to-arrive-by-mid-century/ | Oct 12 07:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Historically unprecedented climates to arrive by mid-century | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fvjwd ] | Oct 12 07:53 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3164566 | Oct 12 08:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 12 08:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "That looks much better than what is promised on the box" | Oct 12 08:03 |
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| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EO_Personal_Communicator | Oct 12 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | EO Personal Communicator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvk6e ] | Oct 12 09:02 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 12 09:08 |
| MinceR | http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/90000/8000/800/198830/198830.strip.zoom.gif | Oct 12 09:27 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165169 | Oct 12 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Meet Lavabit's founder: An American hero hiding in plain sight http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/meet-lavabits-founder-american-hero-hiding-in-plain-sight-228530 some mates of mine used #lavabit | Oct 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "lol, i used #lavabit first-hand, i don't need to brag with my mates :P" | Oct 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I use my own with PGP signing. | Oct 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "I was working with an American client this week and this case helped us to form the foundation of the solution we needed to build." | Oct 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165178 | Oct 12 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: You know the world is going in the wrong direction when 1984 is no longer fiction and people can no longer ridicule RMS without challenge. | Oct 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "They'll still try, they always do." | Oct 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "I ridicule Stallman all the time. The guy is freaky. Nobody has challenged me yet." | Oct 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165181 | Oct 12 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Got some sort of timeline on creating borders ....... Germany was first ....... Now France and Spain ........ this all seems too set up ....... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/10/glenn-greenwald-to-publish-snowden-leaks-on-france-and-spain/ " | Oct 12 09:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.rawstory.com | Glenn Greenwald to publish Snowden leaks on France and Spain | The Raw Story [ http://ur1.ca/fvkba ] | Oct 12 09:42 |
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| ninguno | hi guys, whereis the KDMS team ? xD | Oct 12 11:13 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: HI there! Yep if youre coming to London, make sure you visit! - Oh and btw 1984 not an insightful glimse of the future, an exercise in the bloody obvious for anyone who has studied any human culture from its roots....but thats another story.... | Oct 12 11:35 |
| ninguno | O_o | Oct 12 11:36 |
| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/11/apps-on-iphone-5s-reportedly-crashing-twice-as-often-as-on-iphone-5c-and-iphone-5/ | Oct 12 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.macrumors.com | Apps on iPhone 5s Reportedly Crashing Twice as Often as on iPhone 5c and iPhone 5 - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/fvks1 ] | Oct 12 11:38 |
| Sosumi | good | Oct 12 11:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 12 11:39 |
| iophk | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nick-clegg-and-jack-straw-wade-in-toescalating-edward-snowden-furore-8875475.html | Oct 12 12:07 |
| iophk | http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-edward-snowden-american-whistle-blowers-russia-20131010,0,3811988.story | Oct 12 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.independent.co.uk | Nick Clegg and Jack Straw wade in toescalating Edward Snowden furore - UK Politics - UK - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/fvkvi ] | Oct 12 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.latimes.com | American whistle-blowers meet with Edward Snowden in Russia - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/fvkvj ] | Oct 12 12:07 |
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| Sosumi | meanwhile micro$haft is going to move it's support services from Portugal to Greece and Brasil leaving 120 unemployed | Oct 12 12:22 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Economia/Interior.aspx?content_id=3472036&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | Oct 12 12:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tsf.pt | Portugal: Microsoft deslocaliza servios de apoio ao cliente e leva a 120 despedimentos - TSF [ http://ur1.ca/fvkxf ] | Oct 12 12:23 |
| MinceR | finally those people can find some productive employment :> | Oct 12 13:03 |
| iophk | Not without job skills they won't | Oct 12 13:04 |
| MinceR | should have learned something other than m$ | Oct 12 13:09 |
| MinceR | it's never too late though | Oct 12 13:09 |
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| iophk | bad practices and habits are hard to unlearn | Oct 12 13:09 |
| iophk | M$ usually gets them early so the impression is deeper | Oct 12 13:10 |
| Sosumi | employment isn't that rosy in portugal | Oct 12 13:12 |
| Sosumi | losing your job now and chances are that you'll never find one again | Oct 12 13:12 |
| Sosumi | also I agree with the impressions thing | Oct 12 13:12 |
| Sosumi | when M$ comes at universities with keynotes and publicity stunts | Oct 12 13:13 |
| iophk | M$ should be banned from research and teaching institutions. | Oct 12 13:17 |
| iophk | It creates a way of thinking that is incompatible with efficiency and logic. | Oct 12 13:17 |
| iophk | http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/12/the-panopticon-is-extremely-convenient-so-use-facebook-google-and-chrome/ | Oct 12 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | The Panopticon Is Extremely Convenient (So Use Facebook, Google, And Chrome) | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/fvl5w ] | Oct 12 13:18 |
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| Sosumi | it is, but not much can be done about the backwards mentalities running those same institutions | Oct 12 13:29 |
| iophk | M$ has been position its boosters inside institutions not just in businesses. (see HP) | Oct 12 13:30 |
| Sosumi | and if you want another example of backwardness | Oct 12 13:30 |
| Sosumi | just look at my institution coordinating a course using facebook | Oct 12 13:30 |
| iophk | that's criminal :( | Oct 12 13:30 |
| Sosumi | and forcing everyone to register | Oct 12 13:31 |
| Sosumi | instead of simply setting up an IRC server | Oct 12 13:31 |
| iophk | or better - Jabber | Oct 12 13:31 |
| Sosumi | yep that too could be used | Oct 12 13:31 |
| MinceR | or better, both | Oct 12 13:31 |
| iophk | Some institutions must have criminal neglect of the teaching infrastructure. | Oct 12 13:33 |
| iophk | Even an official mailing list would be 1000% better | Oct 12 13:33 |
| Sosumi | they have rss feeds, but hardly anyone knew how to use rss... | Oct 12 13:34 |
| Sosumi | or what rss was | Oct 12 13:34 |
| iophk | yeah but rss is not that relevant to teaching | Oct 12 13:34 |
| iophk | threaded discussions would be useful and there are dozens of ways to provide that | Oct 12 13:34 |
| iophk | I know even Usenet used to be used for courses | Oct 12 13:34 |
| Sosumi | no, the obective was to keep in touch you see, tell students what to do and where to find stuff | Oct 12 13:34 |
| Sosumi | *objective | Oct 12 13:35 |
| Sosumi | but since no one knew what rss was they decided to go with facebook | Oct 12 13:35 |
| iophk | usenet works for that, so does a mailing list -- unless the students are on Outlook/Exchange. In which case the mail is too unreliable to use for important communication | Oct 12 13:35 |
| iophk | Moodle is trending, that has several modules that would apply. | Oct 12 13:36 |
| Sosumi | lol, if only a handfull of the newcomers knew what rss was | Oct 12 13:37 |
| iophk | rss won't help - it's flat and not threaded | Oct 12 13:37 |
| Sosumi | so my suggestion happened to be IRC | Oct 12 13:37 |
| Sosumi | since everyone knows MIRC | Oct 12 13:37 |
| iophk | IRC is a big waste of time. Mail would be more convenient, unless it is M$ | Oct 12 13:38 |
| iophk | with IRC it is synchronous and you all have to be logged in at the same time. You might as well use Google Hangouts or whatever it is called. | Oct 12 13:39 |
| MinceR | no, it is not synchronous | Oct 12 13:39 |
| MinceR | and i can run my client on a server and attach it when needed | Oct 12 13:39 |
| MinceR | also, it is not owned by a PRISM member | Oct 12 13:40 |
| Sosumi | actually isn't it both? | Oct 12 13:43 |
| Sosumi | synchronous and asynchronous | Oct 12 13:43 |
| MinceR | i don't consider it synchronous | Oct 12 13:43 |
| iophk | IRC does not buffer messages and to communicate all parties have to be logged in at the same time into the same server and the same channel, it is definitely synchronous | Oct 12 13:44 |
| MinceR | for example, it is not guaranteed across the network that every client will see messages by various clients in a short period of time in the same order, afaik | Oct 12 13:44 |
| iophk | With Usenet, you can leave a message or reply for someone who is not logged in and they will still get it. | Oct 12 13:44 |
| MinceR | also, you can read messages even if they were sent when you weren't paying attention | Oct 12 13:44 |
| iophk | paying attention != logged in | Oct 12 13:45 |
| MinceR | on the phone, if you don't pay attention when someone is talking to you, you will not know what they said | Oct 12 13:45 |
| iophk | phone is also synchronous | Oct 12 13:45 |
| MinceR | phone is synchronous, yes | Oct 12 13:45 |
| iophk | all parties that wish to talk to eachother must be in the same call | Oct 12 13:45 |
| MinceR | irc is not | Oct 12 13:45 |
| iophk | log out from IRC and see if you get my reply | Oct 12 13:45 |
| iophk | I'll send it as soon as you leave the channel, just for a minute, then come back | Oct 12 13:46 |
| MinceR | i'll log out of my server and i'll still get your reply | Oct 12 13:46 |
| MinceR | also, there's MemoServ | Oct 12 13:46 |
| iophk | How can you get the reply if you do not have one account or another logged in to this channel and onto freenode's server? | Oct 12 13:46 |
| MinceR | by having this client connected | Oct 12 13:47 |
| iophk | yes that's my point | Oct 12 13:47 |
| MinceR | or by using MemoServ to send and receive the message | Oct 12 13:47 |
| iophk | the client needs to be connected | Oct 12 13:47 |
| MinceR | another point: a number of people can be typing at the same time and yet they won't disturb each other's communications | Oct 12 13:47 |
| iophk | look at the logs, the thread of discussion is always a mess | Oct 12 13:48 |
| MinceR | yet it can be followed easily | Oct 12 13:49 |
| MinceR | which is not the case when multiple people are speaking at the same time | Oct 12 13:49 |
| Sosumi | I think you guys are kind of overblowing it, IRC would have been enough, in order to have a space for ppl to discuss and a rolling message with the latest news from the course coordinator or a link to something | Oct 12 13:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 13:50 |
| iophk | As much as I dislike Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_conferencing | Oct 12 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Synchronous conferencing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fvlaz ] | Oct 12 13:50 |
| iophk | Mail would have been even easier, most have mail accounts whether at Google or Yahoo or somewhere else. | Oct 12 13:51 |
| MinceR | so, how is IRC "real-time"? | Oct 12 13:51 |
| iophk | It's not real-time in the engineering sense, that I know of . | Oct 12 13:51 |
| iophk | However, all the interaction occurs when all parties are logged in at the same time on the same server and in the same channel on that server. | Oct 12 13:52 |
| MinceR | they list XMPP, yet XMPP can deliver offline messages too | Oct 12 13:52 |
| MinceR | (if the server supports it) | Oct 12 13:52 |
| Sosumi | yes, but the same happens with facebook and google hangouts | Oct 12 13:52 |
| Sosumi | at least irc doesn't force you to register anything | Oct 12 13:52 |
| iophk | There used to be "conferencing" software at universities. | Oct 12 13:54 |
| iophk | Some was text based some was, much much later, web based. | Oct 12 13:54 |
| iophk | It allowed threaded discussions. | Oct 12 13:54 |
| MinceR | zephyr? :> | Oct 12 13:54 |
| iophk | Could be one. | Oct 12 13:55 |
| iophk | I've seen several. | Oct 12 13:55 |
| iophk | They'r e not overly complex to write. | Oct 12 13:55 |
| iophk | ... once you've seen one to begin with. | Oct 12 13:55 |
| Sosumi | yep zephyr | Oct 12 13:55 |
| iophk | If all the students are logged in at the same time, it is more or less live. | Oct 12 13:56 |
| iophk | There's not the hour or two delay or lost messages of Exchange. | Oct 12 13:56 |
| MinceR | it's also not there in sane mail servers, afaik :> | Oct 12 13:56 |
| MinceR | exchange is a horrible mess that should have been killed ages ago | Oct 12 13:56 |
| iophk | Exchange exists for some evil purpose I am sure. | Oct 12 13:57 |
| iophk | About real communications, with a real mail server you can also have Majordomo, Lyris and Mailman which all work. | Oct 12 13:57 |
| iophk | Then the users / students can work with their favorite mail client. | Oct 12 13:57 |
| iophk | No need for new tools to get in the way of the topic. | Oct 12 13:58 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 12 13:58 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 12 13:59 |
| iophk | That cost $5 a month or something like that. | Oct 12 13:59 |
| iophk | if the university doesn't already have one of them set up. | Oct 12 13:59 |
| iophk | Setting up a new list is trivial for a sysadmin. | Oct 12 13:59 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2300095/windows-81-wont-save-windows-8 | Oct 12 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Windows 8.1 won't save Windows 8- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvlek ] | Oct 12 14:13 |
| Sosumi | good | Oct 12 14:48 |
| Sosumi | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300152/iphone-5s-users-moan-of-windows-style-blue-screen-of-death | Oct 12 15:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | iPhone 5S users moan of Windows style 'blue screen of death'- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvlm4 ] | Oct 12 15:00 |
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| MinceR | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300123/facebook-rejects-privacy-says-users-can-no-longer-remain-anonymous-in-search | Oct 12 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Facebook rejects privacy, says users can no longer remain anonymous in search- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fvlo1 ] | Oct 12 15:14 |
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| Sosumi | snoopbook | Oct 12 16:03 |
| Sosumi | http://www.averagemarrieddad.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/zombies-on-smartphones-536x447.jpeg | Oct 12 16:06 |
| Sosumi | sad but true | Oct 12 16:06 |
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| MinceR | strange, my smartphones didn't turn me into a zombie :> | Oct 12 16:17 |
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| Sosumi | that's because the force is strong within you! | Oct 12 16:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 16:26 |
| gulag2013 | Hey, I just stubbled upon that Facebook article. Are they any of you left using Facebook. Seems like all the hammers are coming down. I haven't read into the new Google agreements yet. | Oct 12 16:43 |
| Sosumi | I don't use derpbook but I have a google account mostly because everyone has one | Oct 12 16:44 |
| Sosumi | peer pressure :( | Oct 12 16:44 |
| Sosumi | ho and I have a twitter account too since rss is not used in some sites | Oct 12 16:50 |
| Sosumi | and google trying to kill rss in favor of G+ didn't help either | Oct 12 16:51 |
| Sosumi | google reader, I think that was how it was called | Oct 12 16:51 |
| MinceR | they didn't kill rss, they only killed their reader | Oct 12 16:52 |
| Sosumi | yes, but you see, they tried to put a nail on it | Oct 12 16:52 |
| Sosumi | https://www.google.pt/intl/en/policies/terms/changes/ | Oct 12 16:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.pt | Terms of Service update Policies & Principles Google [ http://ur1.ca/fvm7w ] | Oct 12 16:53 |
| Sosumi | crApple also tried when they removed native rss support from OSX | Oct 12 16:53 |
| Sosumi | and you had to run Reeder which in turn used google reader :) | Oct 12 16:55 |
| Sosumi | in other words they want to datamine and profile you | Oct 12 17:21 |
| Sosumi | well at least google knows that I'm a sentient owl, hope they make me famous | Oct 12 17:23 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 17:23 |
| gulag2013 | There is no bigger threat than MS wanting you to login with a Microsoft account on your desktop. No wait they all do that, I retract that | Oct 12 17:24 |
| Sosumi | crApple also does that by default | Oct 12 17:24 |
| Sosumi | the only way to opt out is to have the machine desconected from the net | Oct 12 17:25 |
| gulag2013 | Apple, Android, so my linux box is the only one I don't have a cloud account with | Oct 12 17:25 |
| Sosumi | also, crApple also pronpts if you want to store your disk encryption key on their servers | Oct 12 17:26 |
| gulag2013 | lovely. I don't own a Mac. | Oct 12 17:26 |
| Sosumi | so... it's indeed all of them | Oct 12 17:26 |
| gulag2013 | Doesn't mean I don't want a Mac. Can you still have a local user? | Oct 12 17:27 |
| Sosumi | I still have 2 2009 mac pros and a small xserve cluster, but none run osx at moment | Oct 12 17:27 |
| Sosumi | you can have on both local user | Oct 12 17:28 |
| Sosumi | but, you need to pay attention when clicking things | Oct 12 17:28 |
| gulag2013 | Interesting, so what are you using on your Mac Pro. Love the cases on those things. | Oct 12 17:28 |
| Sosumi | also, when setting up the machine don't setup your .mac account imediatly, do it later after booting into the desktop | Oct 12 17:29 |
| gulag2013 | Good to know | Oct 12 17:29 |
| Sosumi | and yes don't forget to have it disconeted from the net | Oct 12 17:29 |
| Sosumi | when setting it up, check the box that says that your computer doesn't connect to the internet | Oct 12 17:29 |
| Sosumi | and that's it | Oct 12 17:29 |
| gulag2013 | Ha ha, I just did that with a Win 8.1 install, that is getting wiped soon. | Oct 12 17:29 |
| Sosumi | windows wait one more year | Oct 12 17:30 |
| Sosumi | that's what 8.1 means | Oct 12 17:30 |
| gulag2013 | No i'm done waiting. This is garbage for my circumstances. | Oct 12 17:31 |
| gulag2013 | I have given them chance after chance. Like listening to a whining partner. | Oct 12 17:32 |
| gulag2013 | How do you run a business on half baked products, and that get a round of applause for tweaking a few things. | Oct 12 17:33 |
| Sosumi | I don't know, never really used M$ stuff outside of gaming and some benchmarks | Oct 12 17:34 |
| gulag2013 | I digress, my energy could be served learning more linux commands | Oct 12 17:34 |
| _Goblin | gulag2013 I would doubt (if you go for a "mainstream" distro) you would even need to learn "linux commands" | Oct 12 17:35 |
| _Goblin | I assume you refer to shell. | Oct 12 17:36 |
| gulag2013 | That makes sense Gaming, and what else Adobe stuff? | Oct 12 17:36 |
| gulag2013 | Yes I did mean Bash, I should be much better at it. Like you said it can be point and click if that is all you want to know. | Oct 12 17:37 |
| Sosumi | I don't need adobe stuff, acrobat could be handy sometimes, but meh | Oct 12 17:37 |
| _Goblin | I think I only go to the cli for the "cat" or "uptime" commands. | Oct 12 17:38 |
| gulag2013 | I'm on a chapter about Variables, and i'm little confused on what they are for. I will find some Youtube goodness on the topic | Oct 12 17:38 |
| _Goblin | very handy your "cat" command....when used with a pipe. | Oct 12 17:38 |
| _Goblin | for example "cat tim1.mpg tim2.mpg tim3.mpg > final.mpg" - joins your files together nicely | Oct 12 17:40 |
| _Goblin | provided they are all encoded in the same way with the same BR (in the case of using CAT for a mpg) | Oct 12 17:40 |
| gulag2013 | Goblin, that rocks I had no idea cat could do that. | Oct 12 17:41 |
| _Goblin | yep... | Oct 12 17:42 |
| _Goblin | very handy | Oct 12 17:42 |
| MinceR | it's more of 'mpg doing that' :> | Oct 12 17:42 |
| MinceR | (it's a property of the container format) | Oct 12 17:42 |
| _Goblin | and > being the operative symbol | Oct 12 17:42 |
| gulag2013 | I have really only used it for text. Time to pull up the man pages | Oct 12 17:42 |
| gulag2013 | that is just redirection right? | Oct 12 17:43 |
| _Goblin | just pipe to another file instead of "crt" and presto... | Oct 12 17:43 |
| _Goblin | so yes.... | Oct 12 17:43 |
| _Goblin | My wife has a habit of recording video off the camera in many chunks, so CAT comes in very handy... | Oct 12 17:44 |
| gulag2013 | So two will just >> will add to the a file and not overwrite, if I remember correctly | Oct 12 17:44 |
| _Goblin | hmm..... | Oct 12 17:44 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 12 17:45 |
| MinceR | >> appends | Oct 12 17:45 |
| _Goblin | I'd have to check......I'm not a "bash expert" | Oct 12 17:45 |
| MinceR | > overwrites | Oct 12 17:45 |
| gulag2013 | Awesome | Oct 12 17:45 |
| _Goblin | oh and there you go... | Oct 12 17:45 |
| _Goblin | answer! - I've learnt something too! | Oct 12 17:45 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 17:45 |
| gulag2013 | I have linux for dummies, I have no shame. it's actually okay for a few things | Oct 12 17:46 |
| gulag2013 | I just wish it was more bash and less gui, because that stuff is dated. | Oct 12 17:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 12 17:47 |
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| Sosumi | well, it's time to go bed | Oct 12 18:11 |
| Sosumi | gn | Oct 12 18:11 |
| MinceR | o/ | Oct 12 18:12 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 12 19:57 |
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