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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 20 01:04
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DaemonFCI could have Apple plot me some maps, except that it would probably tell me to drive over the Empire State Building in Alabama and then continue on until I reach Australia, which might or might not be there.Oct 20 01:04
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TechrightsBot-trmjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | The state of XMirOct 20 01:25
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DaemonFCMy car's owner's manual says not to put engine coolant in the windshield washer fluid reservoir or windshield washer fluid in the engine coolant reservoir.Oct 20 03:06
DaemonFCI wonder how you could do that. They're both labeled and one is blue and one is green.Oct 20 03:07
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iophkI hope this does not turn out to be some over-engineered junkOct 20 08:20
iophkhttps://home.regit.org/netfilter-en/nftables-quick-howto/Oct 20 08:20
TechrightsBot-trhome.regit.org | Nftables quick howto » To Linux and beyond !  [ http://ur1.ca/fwwmb ]Oct 20 08:20
iophkhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ5MDUOct 20 08:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NFTables IPTables-Replacement Queued For Linux 3.13  [ http://ur1.ca/fwwmc ]Oct 20 08:20
iophkIt looks a lot more complex than iptables or ipchainsOct 20 08:21
iophk"Wikipedia: verifiability, not truth; consensus, not truth; time  available to engage in edit wars, not truth. objectivist  power-mongering, not truth."Oct 20 08:44
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schestowitz_bed2> Be sure you mention how “Microsoft took its Windows RT 8.1 updateOct 20 09:36
schestowitz_bed2> offline until further notice on Saturday (October 18, 2013), after usersOct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> reported that it resulted in bricked devices and lost data.”Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> http://mashable.com/2013/10/19/microsoft-removes-windows-8-1-updateOct 20 09:37
TechrightsBot-trmashable.com | Microsoft Pulls Windows RT 8.1 Update  [ http://ur1.ca/fwwuf ]Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2>  Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> You really got it hand it to Microsoft, they build in UEFI to block FREEOct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> Linux and end up bricking their own bipolar RT (Ripoff Tablet) operatingOct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> system! Time to break up the bloated Redmond monopoly.Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2[reader]Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2iophk: morning..Oct 20 09:37
iophkheyOct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2wanna talk about direction of the site?Oct 20 09:39
schestowitz_bed2While others can weigh in?Oct 20 09:39
iophkI guess so.  Oct 20 09:39
schestowitz_bed2Some people favour moving to DrupalOct 20 09:39
schestowitz_bed2Inc. a colleague, who said so this morningOct 20 09:39
iophkThe site does seem to have outgrown it's current CMSOct 20 09:39
schestowitz_bed2I need to sharpen up my drupal skillOct 20 09:39
iophk*itsOct 20 09:39
schestowitz_bed2But that in itself is not a strong enough motivation factor for site CMS fragmenytationOct 20 09:40
schestowitz_bed2I thought about RSS directs, wiki integration, search, eyc.Oct 20 09:40
schestowitz_bed2I also checked out some Drupal themes last nightOct 20 09:40
schestowitz_bed2https://drupal.org/project/themesOct 20 09:41
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | Themes | drupal.orgOct 20 09:41
schestowitz_bed2For the most part freeOct 20 09:41
schestowitz_bed2if I can bypass the need to design my own and can just quickly set up drupal, that would be OKOct 20 09:42
iophkI'm thinking with all the old posts, it is important to be able to import from the old CMSOct 20 09:42
iophkCan that be done with Drupal?Oct 20 09:42
iophkOr would the old one be kept around read-only?Oct 20 09:42
schestowitz_bed2the need for people to register with yet another CMS (mediawikialready disabled for signup due to spam) is not an issue because comments are not the key place for discussion, IRC isOct 20 09:42
iophkWith the posts it is important to be able to browse by title, date, and keywords.Oct 20 09:43
schestowitz_bed2since 2008Oct 20 09:43
schestowitz_bed2can import old posts, yes, but the URL structure would changeOct 20 09:43
schestowitz_bed2and that can hurt placement of old articles in SEsOct 20 09:43
iophkI would disagree about the comments, they are important to have in HTML for the search enginesOct 20 09:43
iophkand having them on the same page as the articles gives them context.Oct 20 09:43
schestowitz_bed2IRC logs are HTMLOct 20 09:43
iophkIRC and microblogs (Twitter etc) are just chaff.Oct 20 09:44
schestowitz_bed2Somone just sent me two PDFs to publish in the siteOct 20 09:44
iophkIRC logs may be HTML but are without context.Oct 20 09:44
schestowitz_bed2only hours agoOct 20 09:44
schestowitz_bed2yes, m-blogs are for the lazyOct 20 09:44
iophkCan they be reformatted as HTML or PDF/A?Oct 20 09:44
schestowitz_bed2devolving into inane onep-liners, like SMS cultureOct 20 09:44
iophkPDF can carry nasty payloads these days.Oct 20 09:44
schestowitz_bed2symbols, abbreviations, and no possibility of prose. many people these days just read headlines and summaries -- info overload encourages this.Oct 20 09:45
iophk140 character is not much.  Someone could figure out how to generate grammatically correct sentences and pre-caclulate all the ones that fit into 140 character.Oct 20 09:45
schestowitz_bed2PDF->HTML conversion  is fine only for docs that are simpleOct 20 09:46
iophkThen they could post them on the web and we could be done with microblogging, everything that can be said having been said.Oct 20 09:46
schestowitz_bed2if the source of teh PDF/PS is latex, then exporting to html can be done from the typesetting contextOct 20 09:46
iophkPDF is fine for something on the way to the print queue or /dev/nullOct 20 09:46
iophkbut is no good for anyting elseOct 20 09:46
schestowitz_bed2yes, I don't rely on it muchOct 20 09:47
iophklatex has html converters afaikOct 20 09:47
schestowitz_bed2even publications I submitted to are now converting to HTMLOct 20 09:47
schestowitz_bed2Like Elsevier, CiteSeerOct 20 09:47
schestowitz_bed2Seen some the other dayOct 20 09:47
schestowitz_bed2They're losing influence because people just google for info and end up not in journals, which are mostly PDF and sometimes behind paywallsOct 20 09:47
schestowitz_bed2but that's another topic, let's keep focused on the site. Any decent theme for Drupal?Oct 20 09:48
iophkI haven't looked yet.Oct 20 09:48
schestowitz_bed2Some people never liked the theme in techrights, perhaps now is an opportunity to keep the old one for old posts and start afresh while redirecting RSS feedsOct 20 09:48
iophkokOct 20 09:49
JimmyCarterwhat about militarizing the movementsOct 20 09:49
schestowitz_bed2I said to my wife yesterday, maybe of the pages in TR are from 2006tOct 20 09:49
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schestowitz_bed2very out of data,, irrelevant to the extremeOct 20 09:49
schestowitz_bed2*dateOct 20 09:49
schestowitz_bed2So people get confused, seeing stuff about Linspire and stuff, which has been defunct for half a decade nowOct 20 09:49
schestowitz_bed2JimmyCarter: which ones?Oct 20 09:49
schestowitz_bed2We need to get more politicalOct 20 09:49
iophkYes, the date of publication needs to be prominent on displayed articles.Oct 20 09:50
schestowitz_bed2A friend of mine who's a professor said we need to get politicalOct 20 09:50
schestowitz_bed2to be effectOct 20 09:50
schestowitz_bed2he was here for dinner last night, he has known about techrights for yearsOct 20 09:50
iophkI think Lessig and Perens have already made that move.Oct 20 09:50
schestowitz_bed2iophk: drupal has a blog componentOct 20 09:50
iophkRMS did so years ago.Oct 20 09:50
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schestowitz_bed2but it's nothing exceptionally fancyOct 20 09:50
schestowitz_bed2I think that:Oct 20 09:50
iophkDrupal has about 2000 themesOct 20 09:50
JimmyCarterin usa everyones impressed the teaparty took over the world while occupy did nothingOct 20 09:51
schestowitz_bed2we can set up the site like a resource with better structure and drupal will add to the RSS feed any new page while it's being createdOct 20 09:51
JimmyCarterwere having bad luck with coocurrences of necessary traits in leadershipOct 20 09:51
schestowitz_bed2so you might have a new section about patents, linking to some old stuff in the wiki and then adding some new summaries with news as we go alongOct 20 09:51
schestowitz_bed2to new users it would be more like the EFF or FSF siteOct 20 09:51
schestowitz_bed2Not just something like a  paper but more of a broad resource, updating subs as it goes alongOct 20 09:52
schestowitz_bed2JimmyCarter: yeahOct 20 09:52
schestowitz_bed2I'm done being too nice and cocky to US leadershipOct 20 09:52
schestowitz_bed2Seeing that less than 10% of USians trust their Congress, I'm not in the minorityOct 20 09:53
schestowitz_bed2So as long as I don't take shots at the public, I'm safeOct 20 09:53
schestowitz_bed2NSA, CIA, twoparty system, Senate, secret courts and oppressive police are not so popular, not even among the public they purport to serveOct 20 09:54
JimmyCartertheres a growing populist demand for pragmatism and compassionOct 20 09:54
schestowitz_bed2Wikileaks uses Drupal nowOct 20 09:54
schestowitz_bed2the wiki has become just a sub-partOct 20 09:54
*schestowitz_bed2 broweses thermesOct 20 09:55
JimmyCarterbut its slowly changing tide Oct 20 09:55
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schestowitz_bed2does eff use drupal?Oct 20 09:56
schestowitz_bed2<meta name="generator" content="Drupal 7 (http://drupal.org)" />Oct 20 09:57
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | Drupal - Open Source CMS | drupal.orgOct 20 09:57
schestowitz_bed2it does..Oct 20 09:57
schestowitz_bed2so does the FSF, after a redesignOct 20 09:57
iophkhttps://drupal.org/node/183221Oct 20 09:57
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | The EFF ( Electronic Frontier Foundation ) is now using Drupal | drupal.orgOct 20 09:57
schestowitz_bed2le,t's look how they organise material and news updatesOct 20 09:57
JimmyCartershow do i use drupal to supplant effOct 20 09:57
JimmyCarteror juat do anythingOct 20 09:57
schestowitz_bed2https://www.eff.org/pressOct 20 09:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.eff.org | Press Room | Electronic Frontier FoundationOct 20 09:58
schestowitz_bed2https://www.eff.org/deeplinksOct 20 09:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.eff.org | Deeplinks | Electronic Frontier FoundationOct 20 09:58
schestowitz_bed2that's their blogOct 20 09:58
iophkYes, just found deeplinksOct 20 09:58
schestowitz_bed2https://www.eff.org/rssOct 20 09:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.eff.org | EFF RSS Feeds | Electronic Frontier FoundationOct 20 09:58
schestowitz_bed2EFF Updates: Press Releases, Blog Posts, Podcasts, etcOct 20 09:58
schestowitz_bed2It's long overdue for me to subscribe...Oct 20 09:58
iophkThe blog doesn't have such great browsing capabilities.Oct 20 09:59
iophkThey've got date and title in the results list but no keywords.Oct 20 09:59
iophkSpeaking of keywords they use 'intellectual property' instead of copyright, patents, or trademarksOct 20 10:00
schestowitz_bed2lawyersOct 20 10:00
schestowitz_bed2like cindy cohen and that samuels typesOct 20 10:00
schestowitz_bed2donours pay lawyersOct 20 10:00
schestowitz_bed2BTW, mind the age of EFF and ACULAOct 20 10:01
schestowitz_bed2ACLUOct 20 10:01
schestowitz_bed2One is a century oldOct 20 10:01
iophkI'm noticing that even Drupal is not so good for looking at published material.Oct 20 10:03
iophkIt's ok for stuff at the top of the list but not for old articles.Oct 20 10:03
iophkThose still get buried.Oct 20 10:03
iophkAnd are hard to find again.Oct 20 10:04
iophkThe development effort looks to have been on adding widgets rather than core functionality.Oct 20 10:04
schestowitz_bed2That's just a flaw in chronological publishingOct 20 10:04
schestowitz_bed2unlike books with an index and outliningOct 20 10:05
schestowitz_bed2RSS updates in EFF are for the blog onlyOct 20 10:05
schestowitz_bed2they just renamed the "blog" partOct 20 10:05
schestowitz_bed2it is not an aggregateOct 20 10:05
schestowitz_bed2Here's an ideaOct 20 10:05
schestowitz_bed2How about for the next couple of months I focus on reorganising techrights?Oct 20 10:06
schestowitz_bed2Rather than post new stuff?Oct 20 10:06
iophkthat might work, but it would be good to post a littleOct 20 10:06
iophkmaybe one article per dayOct 20 10:06
schestowitz_bed2and maybe use a new CMS or front page or whatever, carefully crafting it to address current issue, like patents rather than Novell and OOXMLOct 20 10:06
iophkyou can queue them up and publish them over a few daysOct 20 10:06
schestowitz_bed2yes, can do bothOct 20 10:07
schestowitz_bed2but generally redesign the whole site alsoOct 20 10:07
schestowitz_bed2making ~17,000 pages easier to reach by topicOct 20 10:07
schestowitz_bed2and consolidating some wiki parts, they can be grafted inOct 20 10:07
schestowitz_bed2without touching any of the old pages, leaving them as they areOct 20 10:08
iophkyes, by topic would be goodOct 20 10:08
schestowitz_bed2http://www.fsf.org/ looks similar to EFFOct 20 10:08
schestowitz_bed2Even the coloursOct 20 10:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.fsf.org | Front Page — Free Software Foundation — working together for free softwareOct 20 10:08
schestowitz_bed2but EFF attracts FAR more fundingOct 20 10:08
iophkEFF doesn't have a whisper campaign against it and its founderOct 20 10:08
iophkRMS does throw the F-word around a lot.Oct 20 10:09
schestowitz_bed2maybe EFF has led the FSF to trying to imitate, or sort of associate, they already collaborate in some public interests motionsOct 20 10:09
iophkFor some people it is too much.Oct 20 10:09
schestowitz_bed2EFF did some campaigning against Canonical's spywarteOct 20 10:09
schestowitz_bed2before the FSF didOct 20 10:09
schestowitz_bed2FSF did this after I told RMS that EFF had done this and FSF should alsoOct 20 10:09
schestowitz_bed2 new text on top of FSF site, exploiting NSA scandals:Oct 20 10:10
schestowitz_bed2"We empower people to collaborate on software that respects your freedom and helps protect your data from spying.'Oct 20 10:10
schestowitz_bed2That's newOct 20 10:10
schestowitz_bed2'Please make a donation to the FSF so we can continue to work for your freedom, privacy, and security."Oct 20 10:10
schestowitz_bed2Privacy and security"Oct 20 10:10
iophkSoftware freedom fits in many contextsOct 20 10:10
schestowitz_bed2yes, but this one is trendy at the momentOct 20 10:11
schestowitz_bed2I got two PDFs about privacyOct 20 10:11
schestowitz_bed2how to protect one's privacyOct 20 10:11
schestowitz_bed2one is a 10-page manualOct 20 10:11
schestowitz_bed2for windows unfortunately, but promoting FOSS like PGP in WindowsOct 20 10:11
iophkBuilding on a foundation of sand...Oct 20 10:12
schestowitz_bed2[09:51] <s-521> @Glinner         Guardian wins awards in US for its work onOct 20 10:12
schestowitz_bed2[09:51] <s-521> retweeted by    state surveillance. Suck on that, Cameron.Oct 20 10:12
schestowitz_bed2iophk: yes, but many refuse to leave Windows, for nowOct 20 10:12
iophkword on the street for  decade is that Windows is heavily backdoored, now it's confirmedOct 20 10:12
schestowitz_bed2So it might be better to  at least appreciate some FOSS on WindowsOct 20 10:12
iophkCardboard locks...Oct 20 10:13
schestowitz_bed2Anyway, about DrupalOct 20 10:13
schestowitz_bed2Should we spent months rebuilding for structural improvementsOct 20 10:13
schestowitz_bed2Like pages about the chronology of Novell stuff?Oct 20 10:13
iophkHow are you with PHP?Oct 20 10:13
schestowitz_bed2The chronicles of Novell so to speak?Oct 20 10:13
schestowitz_bed2Groklaw attempted to organise stuff by casesOct 20 10:13
schestowitz_bed2iophk: I did a bit, I can hack on itOct 20 10:14
schestowitz_bed2not write fluently from the ground upOct 20 10:14
iophkYes but that can be done on the fly if the articles are properly keyworded.Oct 20 10:14
schestowitz_bed2like open sql sockets in phpOct 20 10:14
schestowitz_bed2adding keywords is not always enoughOct 20 10:14
schestowitz_bed2need to seam things upOct 20 10:14
schestowitz_bed2and suggest where there's a story that's not auto-generatedOct 20 10:15
iophkseveral schemes can be used in separate db fieldsOct 20 10:15
schestowitz_bed2!ooogle gartner techrightsOct 20 10:15
schestowitz_bed2!google gartner techrightsOct 20 10:15
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Gartner Group - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_GroupOct 20 10:15
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Gartner Attacks Free Software and Transparency in ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2012/07/17/gartner-secrecy/Oct 20 10:15
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Gartner Group Corrupted by Microsoft (Analysts Cartel ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/01/19/gartner-corrupted-by-microsoft/Oct 20 10:15
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Gartner Hypnosis: Pretending Android and Linux Are ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/05/22/gartner-linux-ecosystem-fud/Oct 20 10:15
schestowitz_bed2compare [1] to the rest, from the first you get an overview with links, a bit like PR Watch does, it's a source of inspiration of sortsOct 20 10:16
iophkCan drupal have several parallel keyword namespaces?Oct 20 10:16
schestowitz_bed2Also, there's a chance for redesign, or an alternative approach into articles past and presentOct 20 10:16
schestowitz_bed2iophk: define thatOct 20 10:16
iophkYou could have a separate namespace for the caseOct 20 10:16
schestowitz_bed2on their own, I know the termsOct 20 10:17
iophkin addition to one that is descriptiveOct 20 10:17
schestowitz_bed2Maybe with added modulesOct 20 10:17
iophkIf you look at the EFF deeplinksOct 20 10:17
iophkyou can see they have keywordsOct 20 10:17
schestowitz_bed2usually there are categories and tagsOct 20 10:17
schestowitz_bed2which can be treated like two separate namespacesOct 20 10:17
iophkif you click on a keyword (aka  tag) it gives you a searchOct 20 10:17
iophkof that namespaceOct 20 10:17
schestowitz_bed2WordPress has tags too, I just never use themOct 20 10:17
schestowitz_bed2And I don't add new categories, it would mess things upOct 20 10:18
schestowitz_bed2search on tags is not goodOct 20 10:18
schestowitz_bed2it's still serialised by timeOct 20 10:18
iophkIf you can have two separate 'tag' hierarchies, one could be for the case (e.g. Novell)Oct 20 10:18
schestowitz_bed2so if I click OOXML I don't get a cloud of anything, just a list of latest 10 posts or whatever is specified as defaultOct 20 10:18
schestowitz_bed2Wordpress search just does the same, no weighting based on content, which is why Google search is offered as an option -- one that I use a lot to find older postsOct 20 10:19
iophkOk clicking on it, if it works right, should give you all articles "tagged" ooxmlOct 20 10:19
schestowitz_bed2not allOct 20 10:19
schestowitz_bed2the latest -- yesOct 20 10:19
iophkusually it is sorted by chronological orderOct 20 10:19
schestowitz_bed2and BTW, there used to be a page with list of all articlesOct 20 10:19
iophkdoing a subsearch is probably not possibleOct 20 10:20
iophkwith the old for-pay databases it was possible to narrow a searchOct 20 10:20
schestowitz_bed2but after a year it became CPU murder and timed out, there were over 1000 results returned from the queryOct 20 10:20
iophkbut those had text interfacesOct 20 10:20
iophk1000 is a small setOct 20 10:20
iophkif it loaded the CPU something was very wrong with the codeOct 20 10:20
iophkDoes drupal use mysql or postgresql?Oct 20 10:21
schestowitz_bed2it generated PDF, I thinkOct 20 10:21
schestowitz_bed2there was also an option for full articles downloadOct 20 10:21
schestowitz_bed2as PDFOct 20 10:21
schestowitz_bed2back around 2006-2007Oct 20 10:21
schestowitz_bed2Now that would be like 3e GB of PDF textOct 20 10:21
schestowitz_bed2not including the imagesOct 20 10:21
iophkusually those were stored as files, being PDF.Oct 20 10:21
schestowitz_bed2The FSF site is ugly, theme-wiseOct 20 10:22
iophkMost themes are uglyOct 20 10:22
schestowitz_bed2I look at it right now... they need a redesignOct 20 10:22
iophkyou get to choose between ugly and fugly for most ofthemOct 20 10:22
schestowitz_bed2LinusJournal moved to Drupal, and that site too is quite uglyOct 20 10:22
schestowitz_bed2http://www.linuxjournal.com/Oct 20 10:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxjournal.com | Linux Journal | The Original Magazine of the Linux CommunityOct 20 10:23
schestowitz_bed2if I could find something that can look out of the box like a major news site, that would be bestOct 20 10:23
iophkLJ allows search by Author, useful but not so relevant to TROct 20 10:24
iophkThey do have some keywordsOct 20 10:24
iophkpre-loaded searchesOct 20 10:24
schestowitz_bed2https://groups.drupal.org/node/278558Oct 20 10:24
TechrightsBot-trgroups.drupal.org | Newspaper Themes for Drupal 7 | Drupal GroupsOct 20 10:24
iophkBut I don't yet see a way to browse among the keywords themselves.Oct 20 10:24
iophk"white paper" = "advertisement" ?Oct 20 10:25
schestowitz_bed2demo of proprietary theme: http://demos.doublemthemes.com/newscenter/newscenter/Oct 20 10:25
TechrightsBot-trdemos.doublemthemes.com | Home Page | NewsCenter - Responsive Magazine Drupal 7 Theme  [ http://ur1.ca/fwwzx ]Oct 20 10:25
schestowitz_bed2that whole discussion thread is polluted by proprietary suggestionsOct 20 10:27
schestowitz_bed2more like a marketing precinctOct 20 10:27
schestowitz_bed2adOct 20 10:27
schestowitz_bed2and these themes are not even goodOct 20 10:27
schestowitz_bed2http://wikileaks.org/ has an ugly themeOct 20 10:29
TechrightsBot-trwikileaks.org | WikiLeaksOct 20 10:29
schestowitz_bed2award for ugly designOct 20 10:30
iophkMany sites have badly compressed jpegs instead of smaller gifs or small pngsOct 20 10:30
schestowitz_bed2https://www.aclu.org/Oct 20 10:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.aclu.org | American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)Oct 20 10:30
schestowitz_bed2drupal mentioned once in the page source, but not in GeneratorOct 20 10:31
schestowitz_bed2http://www.knowledgefoundation.com/indexkf.phpOct 20 10:32
TechrightsBot-trwww.knowledgefoundation.com | Knowledge Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/fwx1m ]Oct 20 10:32
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schestowitz_bed2maybe hand-codedOct 20 10:33
schestowitz_bed2hi carlosOct 20 10:33
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schestowitz_bed2We're discussing how to transform techrightsOct 20 10:33
schestowitz_bed2CMS-wiseOct 20 10:33
Guest70688Hello RoyOct 20 10:34
schestowitz_bed2need to reorganise  the nearly 20,000 pagesOct 20 10:34
schestowitz_bed2making them easier to nevigateOct 20 10:34
schestowitz_bed2inc. the PDFs, the leaks, etc.Oct 20 10:34
Guest7068820k pages... now that is a jobOct 20 10:35
schestowitz_bed2yeahOct 20 10:35
schestowitz_bed2Many years and thousands of hoursOct 20 10:35
schestowitz_bed2iophk: Many years and thousands of hoursOct 20 10:36
iophkyes a lot of workOct 20 10:36
iophkIMHO with good resultsOct 20 10:36
schestowitz_bed2impacted some things in the pastOct 20 10:36
schestowitz_bed2more than I can recallOct 20 10:36
schestowitz_bed2esp. in 2007-2010Oct 20 10:36
iophkYes the site was small enough to somewhat navigable back thenOct 20 10:37
schestowitz_bed2also dealt with fewer topicsOct 20 10:37
iophkyes, more focuseedOct 20 10:38
*schestowitz_bed2 checks campaign sites onlineOct 20 10:38
iophk?? https://drupal.org/project/viewsOct 20 10:39
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | Views | drupal.orgOct 20 10:39
schestowitz_bed2https://drupal.org/node/249862Oct 20 10:41
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | Any reference list of big or "famous" drupal sites? | drupal.orgOct 20 10:41
schestowitz_bed2http://buytaert.net/tag/drupal-sitesOct 20 10:41
TechrightsBot-trbuytaert.net | Drupal sites | Dries BuytaertOct 20 10:41
Guest70688http://www.symantec.com/connect/Oct 20 10:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.symantec.com | All of Connect | Symantec Connect CommunityOct 20 10:42
Guest70688http://www.acquia.com/Oct 20 10:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.acquia.com | Web CMS Drupal - Cloud Based Hosting | AcquiaOct 20 10:42
iophkhttps://drupal.org/project/metatagOct 20 10:48
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | Metatag | drupal.orgOct 20 10:48
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iophkhttps://drupal.org/project/pathautoOct 20 10:50
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | Pathauto | drupal.orgOct 20 10:50
iophkhttps://drupal.org/project/page_titleOct 20 10:51
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | Page Title | drupal.orgOct 20 10:51
iophkIt would also be important to choose modules that avoid reliance on javascript in the clients.Oct 20 10:54
iophkhttps://drupal.org/project/taxonomy_managerOct 20 10:59
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | Taxonomy Manager | drupal.org  [ http://ur1.ca/fwx3z ]Oct 20 10:59
iophkhttps://drupal.org/project/boostOct 20 11:03
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | Boost | drupal.orgOct 20 11:03
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schestowitz_bed2"Oct 20 11:46
schestowitz_bed2> Hi Roy! ;-)Oct 20 11:46
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 20 11:46
schestowitz_bed2> Your welcome to post for your readers the attached PDF article forOct 20 11:46
schestowitz_bed2> “Windows PC Privacy Guide”. Maybe we can get someone to do the same forOct 20 11:46
schestowitz_bed2> Linux machines too? Oct 20 11:46
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 20 11:46
schestowitz_bed2> Here is a guide on applying DNS encryption for your readers.Oct 20 11:46
schestowitz_bed2As long as the readers are reminded to just consider moving to GNU/Linux if possible, it's worth sharing the above. I will do so after a site redesign, planned perhaps for this weekend.Oct 20 11:46
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 20 11:46
schestowitz_bed2Guest70688: what theme, if any, does sympatec use?Oct 20 11:47
schestowitz_bed2A lot of off-the-shelf ones are rudimentary, so a lot of extra work remains to be doneOct 20 11:47
Guest70688schestowitz_bed2, Most likely they started with ZEN, but if you read about, they employed some people and they did a lot customization themselves, plus I guess built some modules too.Oct 20 11:50
Guest70688So the choices are, in my opinion, Zen, Adaptive Themes, OMEGA and Fusion theme...Oct 20 11:51
schestowitz_bed2How's this for a base theme? http://marinelli.netsons.org/node/8Oct 20 11:55
TechrightsBot-trmarinelli.netsons.org | Primary Link | Marinelli 3xOct 20 11:55
schestowitz_bed2I don't know how many if any modules are added on top of this themeOct 20 11:55
Guest70688schestowitz_bed2, Try this to mess about... you can create and then if you want to ... downloaded and put it on your server.... http://www.drupalgardens.com/Oct 20 11:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.drupalgardens.com | Drupal Gardens | Get a Free Drupal 7 Site HereOct 20 11:58
*schestowitz_bed2 tryingOct 20 12:00
Guest70688schestowitz_bed2, Good thing about this is that it will give you a good Idea of what is using, theme, modules, etcOct 20 12:01
schestowitz_bed2I created an accountOct 20 12:04
schestowitz_bed2But let's see if I'm free to install stuff on itOct 20 12:05
schestowitz_bed2the theme I like it not thereOct 20 12:10
schestowitz_bed2They have "Oct 20 12:10
schestowitz_bed2    BroadwayOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    CampaignOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    CarbonOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    ImpactOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    KenwoodOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    MinimaOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    SonomaOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    SparksOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2'Oct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    BroadwayOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    CampaignOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    CarbonOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    ImpactOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    KenwoodOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    MinimaOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    SonomaOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    SparksOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2    Bare BonesOct 20 12:11
schestowitz_bed2'Oct 20 12:11
Guest70688schestowitz_bed2, Just play with it a bit... I have a few sites there ... did it just to see how they will look... and I think there are ok... I am pretty sure you are free to install what ever you want!Oct 20 12:13
schestowitz_bed2I don't like any of these themes, I've just reviewed them one by oneOct 20 12:13
schestowitz_bed2in modules I have 'uninstall" tabOct 20 12:14
schestowitz_bed2not installOct 20 12:14
schestowitz_bed2probablty worried people will upload malicious codeOct 20 12:14
Guest70688I seeOct 20 12:14
iophkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plone#Focus_on_SecurityOct 20 12:15
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Plone (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fwxba ]Oct 20 12:15
iophkTypical PHP workOct 20 12:15
iophkBut it does not say how much of that is in the core package and how much is in the 24,000+ modulesOct 20 12:15
iophksome of which are neglected.Oct 20 12:16
schestowitz_bed2same for joomlaOct 20 12:16
JimmyCarteris valve OS first desktop linux?Oct 20 12:17
JimmyCarteror TV box linux?Oct 20 12:17
JimmyCarterby first i mean for me personallyOct 20 12:18
JimmyCarteri actually have windows on some machines and its excruciating and sadisticOct 20 12:18
schestowitz_bed2"Optional built-in megadropdown menu per Primary links: Just activate it in the theme settings page"Oct 20 12:18
schestowitz_bed2tuxmachines uses drupal, but the theme is quite uglyOct 20 12:20
schestowitz_bed2and moving to Drupal 7 nroke many modules for susan, who runs the siteOct 20 12:21
schestowitz_bed2Drupal gardens won't help much... maybe I'll just install drupal first to experiment withOct 20 12:24
iophkPut it in a VM and take a snapshot. Oct 20 12:24
schestowitz_bed2VM ina VM?Oct 20 12:24
iophkThen you can wipe it clean with almost no effort and start again when you want Oct 20 12:24
schestowitz_bed2TR is already a VMOct 20 12:24
iophkThe experimental DrupalOct 20 12:24
iophkExperiment in a separate VMOct 20 12:25
iophkon the desktop or locallyOct 20 12:25
iophkThat way you can add all the changes and modules you want and still easily wind back to a clean slate.Oct 20 12:25
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schestowitz_bed2iophk: can enable httpsOct 20 13:41
schestowitz_bed2if that's desirableOct 20 13:41
schestowitz_bed2drupal is up and running, I don't want to post the link until it's improved somewhatOct 20 13:41
Sosumiyay spanish governemnt taxing the daylights out of youOct 20 14:15
Sosumihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yt5wBTMl8IOct 20 14:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Tax Sunshine: Spain govt's bright idea to tackle energy debt - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwxpv ]Oct 20 14:15
schestowitz_bed2I am starting to think that the drupal part might be better off used as an anchor point for new usersOct 20 14:22
schestowitz_bed2and the core blogging component will stay wordpressOct 20 14:22
iophkWhy not also do the new blog posts in Drupal?Oct 20 14:32
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iophkhttp://venturebeat.com/2013/10/20/microsoft-yanks-windows-8-1-update-after-users-report-machine-bricking-boot-errors/Oct 20 15:22
TechrightsBot-trventurebeat.com | Microsoft yanks Windows RT 8.1 update after users report machine-bricking boot errors | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/fwxw6 ]Oct 20 15:22
iophk"limited number of user" == RT usersOct 20 15:22
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iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/10/in-nokia-aftermath-jorma-ollila-interview-by-helsingin-sanomat.htmlOct 20 15:35
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: In Nokia Aftermath, Jorma Ollila Interview by Helsingin Sanomat  [ http://ur1.ca/fwxxi ]Oct 20 15:35
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lirodonNow Microsoft is admitting that this secure boot shaming on Vista 8.1 is a FEATURE http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/secure-boot-watermarkOct 20 16:24
TechrightsBot-trwindows.microsoft.com | Why is there a "SecureBoot isn't configured correctly" watermark on my desktop? - Microsoft Windows Help  [ http://ur1.ca/fwy4o ]Oct 20 16:24
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iophkhttp://www.winbeta.org/news/how-remove-secureboot-isnt-configured-correctly-watermark-windows-81Oct 20 16:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.winbeta.org | How to remove the 'SecureBoot isn't configured correctly' watermark on Windows 8.1 | WinBeta  [ http://ur1.ca/fwy6d ]Oct 20 16:42
iophkThe "solution" offered is to turn restricted boot back on.Oct 20 16:42
schestowitz_bed2iophk: not sure I can see the advantage unless it was all exported and then importedOct 20 16:53
schestowitz_bed2iophk: How about making dual side site?Oct 20 17:07
schestowitz_bed2One for storiesOct 20 17:07
schestowitz_bed2WordpressOct 20 17:07
schestowitz_bed2One for actionsOct 20 17:07
schestowitz_bed2One for information and resources etc.Oct 20 17:08
schestowitz_bed2Wiki..Oct 20 17:08
schestowitz_bed2All going under Drupal?Oct 20 17:08
iophkYes, that could work.Oct 20 17:13
iophkWordpress is what you already have though, isn't it?  That's not up to the task anymore I thinkOct 20 17:14
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iophkhttp://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nsa-hacked-email-account-of-mexican-president-a-928817.htmlOct 20 17:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.spiegel.de | NSA Hacked Email Account of Mexican President - SPIEGEL ONLINE  [ http://ur1.ca/fwyb7 ]Oct 20 17:28
schestowitz_bed2iophk: I would use both in tandemOct 20 17:33
iophkWP isn't so good for many things, including making comments on the articles.Oct 20 17:34
iophkOr would you leave it around for the old posts and have Drupal for the new posts?Oct 20 17:37
iophkWere any of the Drupal add-ons promising?Oct 20 17:39
schestowitz_bed2yesOct 20 17:49
schestowitz_bed2Drupal will be usedOct 20 17:49
schestowitz_bed2for particular types of new pages that give the site a better faceOct 20 17:49
schestowitz_bed2See http://techrights.org/home/Oct 20 17:50
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Welcome to Techrights | Free Software Sentry | Techrights | Free Software SentryOct 20 17:50
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Sosumiisohunt going down by october 23rdOct 20 18:01
Sosumicourtesy of the copyright mafiaOct 20 18:01
iophkSosumi, it was in the news the other day : http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/bittorrent-site-isohunt-will-shut-down-pay-mpaa-110-million/Oct 20 18:09
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | BitTorrent search site IsoHunt will shut down, pay MPAA $110 million | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fwmdg ]Oct 20 18:09
iophkIt's too bad they lost that case.Oct 20 18:09
iophkI hope it cannot fit in a larger attack on net neutrality.Oct 20 18:10
iophkYoutube is still under attackOct 20 18:10
iophkby ViacomOct 20 18:10
Sosumiyeah I heard of thatOct 20 18:10
Sosumibut that arstechnica article didn't say when it was actually shutting downOct 20 18:11
iophk"...IsoHunt will shut down"Oct 20 18:11
Sosumibut not whenOct 20 18:12
iophktrueOct 20 18:12
SosumiI just said it was closing down by 23rd of this monthOct 20 18:12
iophka Wired article says they had 7 days to shut down.Oct 20 18:12
Sosumithat means folks will have enough time to download all the pron available on isohuntOct 20 18:13
Sosumi:(Oct 20 18:13
Sosumibut it's sad to see it goOct 20 18:13
SosumidemonoidOct 20 18:13
iophkWhy are these operating inside the US?Oct 20 18:13
Sosuminow isohuntOct 20 18:14
iophkI thought Demonoid came back in some form.Oct 20 18:14
iophkor was it just the name being recycled for a new project?Oct 20 18:14
Sosuminah, it was probably a phishing tactic by the FBI/DOJ to get info on the demonoid memmbersOct 20 18:15
Sosumiso if you registered on the new service they'd get your email adress and IPOct 20 18:15
SosumiI think it was called d2.vuOct 20 18:17
iophksome days old - http://gizmodo.com/report-piracy-isnt-killing-content-1441055599Oct 20 18:18
TechrightsBot-trgizmodo.com | Report: Piracy Isn't Killing Content  [ http://ur1.ca/fwygo ]Oct 20 18:18
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schestowitz_bed2iophk: am building the site, you can view as it goes along, major overhaul, lots of pagesOct 20 19:47
iophkThere are too many potential modules on the Drupal site.Oct 20 19:47
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schestowitz_bed2iophk_hottub1: no obligation to use all of themOct 20 20:26
iophk_hottub1Of course.  But it is hard to wade through them.Oct 20 20:27
schestowitz_bed2iophk_hottub1: be careful not to drop the device, you can get elecrecutedOct 20 20:27
iophk_hottub1wlanOct 20 20:27
schestowitz_bed2when I work in the bedroom it's cause the living room and the machines there are used  by the wife to steam films, so I'm literally in the bedroomOct 20 20:28
schestowitz_bed2*streamOct 20 20:28
iophk_hottub1ohOct 20 20:28
schestowitz_bed2this can't be good for my back, I need to sit more, not lie downOct 20 20:28
iophk_hottub1hard to type that way, too, I expectOct 20 20:29
schestowitz_bed2I've become like Jabba the huttOct 20 20:29
iophk_hottub1Apparently standing desks are best cure for that.Oct 20 20:29
schestowitz_bed2anyway, i got about 40 pages for base site structureOct 20 20:29
iophk_hottub1I've seen mechanical ones that can be raised and lowered depending on whether it is better to sit or stand for a given task.Oct 20 20:29
schestowitz_bed2they're empty and overall layout is not an urgent matter yet, just content topologyOct 20 20:29
schestowitz_bed2and how the site comes acrossOct 20 20:29
schestowitz_bed2the previous front page, lasting several years (wiki front page), got millions of viewsOct 20 20:30
schestowitz_bed2and it's not a good starting point, link overloadOct 20 20:30
iophk_hottub1Simpler is better, but there should be a short connection to the older articles.Oct 20 20:30
iophk_hottub1Some are quite relevant still.Oct 20 20:30
schestowitz_bed2iophk_hottub1: probably beds for bed-bound peopleOct 20 20:30
schestowitz_bed2like people with no legs or people with legs too weak to standOct 20 20:31
schestowitz_bed2older articles can be added where they're relecanOct 20 20:31
schestowitz_bed2*relevantOct 20 20:31
schestowitz_bed2no need to link to everythingOct 20 20:31
schestowitz_bed2some are poor and/or out of dateOct 20 20:31
schestowitz_bed2whereas they can be found, they are better off not actively promoted, stillOct 20 20:32
schestowitz_bed2like old Novell pagesOct 20 20:32
iophk_hottub1YeahOct 20 20:32
schestowitz_bed2or something about NOVL shares going up, down, etc.Oct 20 20:32
schestowitz_bed2Historically insignificantOct 20 20:32
schestowitz_bed2maybe need a page for leaksOct 20 20:33
schestowitz_bed2ones we put outOct 20 20:33
schestowitz_bed2but i don't know how to find them all, there are dozens and some good ones, some less important or relevant to present than othersOct 20 20:33
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iophkFor the relevant old articles, would they be linked or ported?Oct 20 20:34
schestowitz_bed2linked, as the URL structure cannot be retrofittedOct 20 20:38
schestowitz_bed2Take for example http://techrights.org/home/nokiaOct 20 20:38
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Nokia | Techrights | People's rights in the digital ageOct 20 20:38
schestowitz_bed2it'll link to the wiki and more, provide some short summary, I can also set you up with admin account to do soOct 20 20:38
schestowitz_bed2It'll be the main landing point for all things NokiaOct 20 20:39
schestowitz_bed2the wiki just a chronological indexOct 20 20:39
iophkI'll read through some more modules tomorrow.  By this stage Drupal should have at least one good one for taxonomies.Oct 20 20:41
schestowitz_bed2it's built inOct 20 20:41
schestowitz_bed2It's already thereOct 20 20:41
schestowitz_bed2want an admin acct?Oct 20 20:41
schestowitz_bed2Can mail you ps with pgpOct 20 20:41
iophkOk. Oct 20 20:41
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 20 20:42
schestowitz_bed2TaxonomyOct 20 20:42
schestowitz_bed2Manage tagging, categorization, and classification of your content.Oct 20 20:42
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 20 20:42
schestowitz_bed2Under "StructureOct 20 20:42
iophkYep that's it.  Oct 20 20:42
iophkBut for some of it, there might be need to handle two taxonomiesOct 20 20:42
iophkat the same timeOct 20 20:42
iophkIt's easier to manage the pages in some ways. Oct 20 20:42
iophkThe articles can be "tagged" as they are made but then others added after. That would be one. Oct 20 20:43
iophkThen special collections of articles, say for the Nokia example, would be another.Oct 20 20:43
schestowitz_bed2sentOct 20 20:44
iophkOk got itOct 20 20:45
schestowitz_bed2I guess you can see the login panelOct 20 20:45
schestowitz_bed2many new articles will be put in drupal, esp. more formal ones like calls for action, not blog posysOct 20 20:45
schestowitz_bed2*postsOct 20 20:45
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3189185Oct 20 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Looking into the possibility of moving #techrights to #drupal and doing a large overhaulOct 20 20:46
schestowitz_bed2"Fair enough. Migration to Drupal can be painful. I'd suggest to create testing environment and implement it there, then move it to the actual site location during maintanance window [for example - at night on friday/saturday]."Oct 20 20:46
DaemonFChttp://rt.com/news/nhs-gp-bonus-deathlist-457/Oct 20 20:50
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fwz04 ]Oct 20 20:50
iophkWhat's the light and dark grey sidebar?  Does that grow automatically?Oct 20 20:51
schestowitz_bed2it's nonsense for nowOct 20 20:55
schestowitz_bed2and yes, it's generated based on latest editsOct 20 20:55
iophkhttp://www.fillerati.com/Oct 20 20:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.fillerati.com | Fillerati - Faux Latin is a Dead LanguageOct 20 20:56
schestowitz_bed2I made colours, where possible, homogeneous wrt wiki and blogOct 20 20:56
schestowitz_bed2need to adjust css for title, too whiteOct 20 20:56
iophkThe nav menu turns orange and jumps in size during mouseover.Oct 20 20:57
iophkgtgOct 20 20:58
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DaemonFCI was parking my car down at the end, because the parking spaces go about 3 more feet from the road.Oct 20 23:12
DaemonFCBut then I looked up at that stupid tree that was raining down twigs on my car, and noticed how much it was swaying in the wind.Oct 20 23:13
DaemonFCThat reminded me of that "Shakey Shakey Shakey" commercial.Oct 20 23:13
DaemonFCSo I sat there for a minute and tried to figure out the most likely place for it to come crashing down if wind or lightning brought the entire tree down.Oct 20 23:14
DaemonFCand then I started parking my car on the main row of parking spaces. Close to my apartment but far enough away that the tree would land on the roof of the apartment strip across the sidewalk if it came down in the direction of the parking spaces.Oct 20 23:14
DaemonFCB-)Oct 20 23:14
DaemonFCI'm not worried about their roof, I'm worried about my car. Oct 20 23:15
DaemonFCand with the way shit tends to go down in this town, I'd be willing to bet those people whose property the tree is on don't have homeowners insurance that would compensate me for my carOct 20 23:16
DaemonFCIn fact, I believe that was the house that the police raided for prostitution a few months ago.Oct 20 23:16
DaemonFCRyan Farmer via AlterNetOct 20 23:20
DaemonFCThis is really a statement on how far our society has fallen. People are now shooting up on crack cocaine mixed with gasoline. It makes crystal meth look relatively harmless in comparison.Oct 20 23:20
DaemonFCI wonder what the hell these people are even thinking.Oct 20 23:20
DaemonFCOf course, there's always been people like this. I remember riding the #4 city bus in Marion about 20 years ago, and asking my aunt about this weird guy making strange noises.Oct 20 23:20
DaemonFCShe said he ran out of drugs and shot up on chlorine bleach, and the police found him running around naked in the fountain at the mall.Oct 20 23:20
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DaemonFCLOLOct 21 00:26
DaemonFCMalcolm in the MiddleOct 21 00:26
DaemonFCSecurity Guard: "I'm going to teach you a lesson!"Oct 21 00:26
DaemonFCkid: "I already know how to make six dollars an hour."Oct 21 00:27
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schestowitz_bed2DaemonFC: lolOct 21 01:18
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3189126Oct 21 01:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Autumn colours...Oct 21 01:18
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by therealgaryhill@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_08c7f6c0bfb3e0c9e6db.jpgOct 21 01:18
schestowitz_bed2"Nothing like a little "Danger of death" to go with your Autumn colors."Oct 21 01:18
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3189160 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=17+Trillion+Debt&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&sourceid=Mozilla-search&startOct 21 01:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: There is something very wrong ..........Oct 21 01:19
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.google.co.uk | USA is now the greatest producer of OIL - Google Search  [ http://ur1.ca/fwzs5 ]Oct 21 01:19
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yehz2gUnNe0Oct 21 01:24
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Why It's Dumb To Drive Through Water - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwzsi ]Oct 21 01:24
*DaemonFC is glad he decided to buy that 1996 Crown Vic.Oct 21 01:25
DaemonFCGood car.Oct 21 01:25
DaemonFCMom asked why I didn't just buy that 2004 model that was like $300 more.Oct 21 01:25
DaemonFCI said "It had an exhaust leak that was going to cost $650 to fix. The transmission fluid was burned, which means that a new transmission wasn't far off. The last owner wasn't even changing their oil. There was also a problem with the blend door actuator motor that was going to require the entire dash to be taken apart."Oct 21 01:27
DaemonFCThe car was just abused and neglected and there wasn't going to be a single thing on it that was any damned good.Oct 21 01:27
DaemonFCIt'd probably run for another year, maybe, and then we'd be getting into some really expensive shit, like a rebuilt transmission.Oct 21 01:27
DaemonFCIt really pisses me off that people don't take care of their stuff.Oct 21 01:28
DaemonFCIt's not even mine and it makes me mad.Oct 21 01:28
DaemonFCI'm going to get my car repainted next year.Oct 21 01:29
DaemonFCThe paint job isn't looking terrific right now. It's not terrible, but it needs some attention.Oct 21 01:29
DaemonFCThe mechanical and interior condition is excellent though.Oct 21 01:30
DaemonFCI can drive it around with a paint job that's not looking fantastic while I save up to get it redone.Oct 21 01:30
DaemonFCI'll probably get it repainted the same color. I'm not wild about the color, but it's not a bad color either. Changing the color would add about $500-800 to the paint job, so I'll leave the color alone.Oct 21 01:31
DaemonFCI'm just going to have them mask, sand, and spray.Oct 21 01:33
DaemonFCI could have it done top-notch where they take the glass out, and take the doors, hood, and trunk lid off, and so on, but that would add about $1,800 worth of labor.Oct 21 01:34
DaemonFCThe paint job I want is probably going to cost about $1,500, but the car needs a little bit of body work too. I'm going to go after-market on that.Oct 21 01:34
DaemonFCIt'll look good when I'm done. They said they have a five year warranty on their paint jobs. If it starts to peel or crack or something, they'll sand it down and redo it for free.Oct 21 01:35
DaemonFCPeople are finding out just how long those 1990s cars can last. The bad economy makes it more practical to just fix what you have.Oct 21 01:36
DaemonFCI don't have huge doubts about this car. I think it'll last another 10-15 years.Oct 21 01:38
DaemonFCThe big problem I'm having out of it right now is that it's just way too damned fast. :)Oct 21 01:38
DaemonFCI looked down last night and noticed I was doing 50 in a 35. :POct 21 01:39
DaemonFCI got my radar detector out of the Taurus when I sold it. Put it in the Crown Vic.Oct 21 01:39
DaemonFCThose cops like to sneak around in their unmarked cars, but the radar detector always gives me a heads up.Oct 21 01:40
DaemonFCThey're illegal to use in Virginia and DC though. The cops there have a radar detector detector.Oct 21 01:40
DaemonFCSo the radar detectors detect the detector detector and shut down right after they warn you.Oct 21 01:41
DaemonFCB-)Oct 21 01:41
DaemonFCThey're not technically illegal to use in Illinois, but it is against the law there to have anything mounted on your windshield that could obstruct your view, so you should flip that suction cup base upside down and stick the detector to the dashboard. Then they can't fine you.Oct 21 01:42
DaemonFChttp://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/10/the-euro-may-not-be-doomed-but-it-is-a-disaster/280714/Oct 21 01:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.theatlantic.com | The Euro May Not Be Doomed, But It Is a Disaster - Matthew O'Brien - The Atlantic  [ http://ur1.ca/fwztt ]Oct 21 01:44
DaemonFCThe value of a dollar is kind of hard to keep track of.Oct 21 01:44
DaemonFCPrice inflation never affects two different people in exactly the same way.Oct 21 01:45
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/19/plastic-surgery-justin-bieber-100k_n_4128563.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopularOct 21 01:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Man Undergoes Extensive Plastic Surgery To Look Like Justin Bieber, Spends $100,000 In 5 Years  [ http://ur1.ca/fwzu9 ]Oct 21 01:50
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DaemonFChttp://rt.com/news/montenegro-gay-pride-violence-470/Oct 21 05:46
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fx0mt ]Oct 21 05:46
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/Oct 21 05:47
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fx0mu ]Oct 21 05:47
DaemonFCThe peaceful religious protesters that love everyone.....had to be forcibly dispersed with teargas and rubber bullets today, after trying to murder the gay people.Oct 21 05:47
DaemonFCWho says the news is boring?Oct 21 05:47
Sosumiit dependsOct 21 05:48
Sosumiwhen they turn into gays thus and that while ignoring he real issuesOct 21 05:49
Sosumithen it's not only boring but also trivialOct 21 05:49
Sosumijust do the whole butthole stuffing in private like everyone doesOct 21 05:52
Sosumiplus I've never seen a heterosexual pride march...Oct 21 05:52
Sosumiso, gay folks should also stop from shoving their preferences into other's faceOct 21 05:53
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schestowitz_bed2RMS has just mailed meOct 21 06:25
schestowitz_bed2I replied as follows:Oct 21 06:25
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 21 06:25
schestowitz_bed2> You might lke that article.Oct 21 06:25
schestowitz_bed2Thanks for sending me http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/surveillance-vs-democracy.htmlOct 21 06:25
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | How Much Surveillance Can Democracy Withstand? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/fx0qx ]Oct 21 06:26
schestowitz_bed2 Oct 21 06:26
schestowitz_bed2I caught the article on Wired a few days ago and mentioned it in Techrights, some 'social' (surveillance) networks (people then reshared it through me), and in IRC. I got several positive comments about this article being shared through me, including one from a person who openly said he disliked you -- he said to me that this time for a change he agrees with you and then he shared this article with his online friends. When your Oct 21 06:26
schestowitz_bed2arguments please even your enemies, then it means you get your message across to a wider audience. Speaking of which, I am rebuilding my site under Drupal for better reach to more people. It will hopefully be a welcomed enhancement. I still have about 11 more interview parts to publish (from our chat in Oxford) but I am waiting until I can publish my text interview about GNU 30, then I will resume the video ones (with Blender3D Oct 21 06:26
schestowitz_bed2and OpenShot they quite take a while to edit).Oct 21 06:26
schestowitz_bed2'Oct 21 06:26
schestowitz_bed2& hopefully explains what I've been up and lack of new articles this weekendOct 21 06:26
JimmyCarterSteamOS rumored "post-singularity" progression in OS innovationOct 21 07:11
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JimmyCartersnowden single handedly saved america from skynets judgement day attack and will soon return to the futureOct 21 09:38
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Sosumihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZp7BvQJnU8Oct 21 19:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Was iOS 7 created in Microsoft Word? - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fx3bb ]Oct 21 19:06
SosumicrApple^tmOct 21 19:06
DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1404410_10151930720498967_394537724_o.jpgOct 21 19:16
DaemonFCIt's really easy to avoid getting killed by a lawnmower.Oct 21 19:16
DaemonFCYou shoot the lawnmower.Oct 21 19:16
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AdrianGhiOct 21 19:25
AdrianGwhats this place aboutOct 21 19:25
Sosumiisohunt downOct 21 19:33
DaemonFCPresident Obama goes to his "clean energy/save the Earth" speeches in this.Oct 21 19:36
DaemonFChttp://www.motorauthority.com/news/1087845_taking-a-closer-look-at-the-presidents-beast-limo?fbfanpageOct 21 19:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.motorauthority.com | Taking A Closer Look At The President's 'Beast' Limo  [ http://ur1.ca/fx3eo ]Oct 21 19:36
DaemonFCA car that gets 3.7 miles per gallon.Oct 21 19:36
SosumiAdrianG, I'd say denouncing the wrongdoings in the tech market and free software (as in freedom) promotionOct 21 19:40
DaemonFCSomething was really wrong with that Taurus I sold.Oct 21 19:40
DaemonFCIt had a 3.0 V6 and it was a few hundred pounds lighter than what I drive now.Oct 21 19:41
DaemonFCand it actually got worse gas mileageOct 21 19:41
DaemonFCI didn't feel like looking into it too much. I know the fuel tank wasn't leaking.Oct 21 19:41
DaemonFCprobably a leaking injector or the oxygen sensorsOct 21 19:42
DaemonFCnot my problem nowOct 21 19:42
DaemonFC:)Oct 21 19:42
Sosumiout sight, out of mindOct 21 19:42
DaemonFCyupOct 21 19:42
DaemonFCof course the government propaganda and "news" media kept referring to the Crown Vic as a gas guzzler.Oct 21 19:43
DaemonFCIt's not, but that didn't stop them.Oct 21 19:43
DaemonFCV8 = gas guzzler by default to those idiotsOct 21 19:43
DaemonFCIt was sort of true with the old ones, with the carburetors.Oct 21 19:44
DaemonFCWhen they went fuel injected, the gas mileage really went up.Oct 21 19:44
DaemonFCI do about 75% city/25% highway. I'm getting about 25 mpg.Oct 21 19:45
DaemonFCThose EPA estimates are really far off.Oct 21 19:46
Sosumimeh, some of these newer cars consume way more than older pre 1995 carsOct 21 19:46
DaemonFCIt's a political thing designed to kill off any car the government dislikes.Oct 21 19:46
DaemonFC:POct 21 19:46
Sosumifor example my renault 21 turbo wastes less than a VW poloOct 21 19:46
Sosumiand that's a 1991 modelOct 21 19:46
Sosumiit's as old as me too, lolOct 21 19:47
Sosumi2 years differenceOct 21 19:47
DaemonFCI like how those "magic car potions" still exist.Oct 21 19:47
DaemonFC"fuel injector cleaner"Oct 21 19:48
Sosumisnake oilOct 21 19:48
DaemonFCYour fuel injectors should never need cleaning unless your fuel filter has a bypass that lets unfiltered gasoline go through the system if it gets clogged.Oct 21 19:48
DaemonFC(thus completely missing the point of a FILTER, but that's GM for you)Oct 21 19:48
DaemonFC:)Oct 21 19:48
Sosumithat's trueOct 21 19:49
AdrianGare u sure they never need cleaningOct 21 19:49
AdrianGbecause you do get carbon deposits with time.Oct 21 19:49
DaemonFCIf you do like I do, and insist on fuel filters without a bypass, your car won't start if the filter gets clogged, but you won't ever need to clean your injectorsOct 21 19:49
DaemonFCThe only way they should need cleaned is if your fuel filter has been bypassed for quite some time.Oct 21 19:49
DaemonFCUnfortunately, the ones that have a bypass won't tell you that they're clogged and are using it.Oct 21 19:50
DaemonFC:)Oct 21 19:50
DaemonFCUse a no-bypass filter and change it about every 30,000 miles.Oct 21 19:50
DaemonFCThe only way to really get your injectors cleaned properly if they do get clogged is to have a mechanic clean them individually, which is incredibly expensive.Oct 21 19:51
DaemonFCIt's better to just make sure your fuel filter is clean.Oct 21 19:51
AdrianGor even better, drive an electric car.Oct 21 19:52
DaemonFCWalmart has a $29.99 fuel system cleaning service. Someone asked me about that. I said "For $29.99, it's probably just some guy dumping crap into your gas tank."Oct 21 19:52
AdrianGfewer fluids to worry about.Oct 21 19:52
DaemonFCYeah, but the replacement batteries are very expensive.Oct 21 19:52
DaemonFCYou have to replace them about every 5 years, and they cost about $3,000-$4,000.Oct 21 19:53
DaemonFCand if you plug them in in Indiana, you're charging your car on electricity from coal fired power plants.Oct 21 19:53
AdrianGstill betterOct 21 19:53
AdrianGalso, are you sure they'll only last 5 yrsOct 21 19:53
DaemonFCYeah, except that you have to have somewhere to plug in at.Oct 21 19:53
DaemonFCGas stations don't let you do that.Oct 21 19:53
DaemonFCWhen GM had the EV-1, they set up charging stations all over southern California.Oct 21 19:54
DaemonFCThen they ordered all the EV-1's to be crushed and shut down all charging stations.Oct 21 19:54
DaemonFCIt's good that alot of people are giving up and driving clown cars.Oct 21 19:55
AdrianG?Oct 21 19:55
DaemonFCI'd hate to see what gas would cost if everyone had a car like mine.Oct 21 19:55
AdrianGso just charge at home.Oct 21 19:55
AdrianGovernight.Oct 21 19:55
DaemonFCYeah, but the range sucks.Oct 21 19:55
AdrianG300 miles?Oct 21 19:55
AdrianGgood enough.Oct 21 19:56
DaemonFCWhat if I wanted to go 600-700 miles?Oct 21 19:56
DaemonFCI guess I could try to plug it in at a motel room and just hope nobody noticed the cord.Oct 21 19:56
DaemonFC:)Oct 21 19:56
AdrianG300 per day is a slow tripOct 21 19:56
AdrianGbut still better than nothing.Oct 21 19:56
DaemonFCI usually don't stay in a motel room along the way if it's just going to be a day or two.Oct 21 19:57
DaemonFCI just pull over at a rest stop and sleep in the car.Oct 21 19:57
DaemonFCMost truck stops have showers and a McDonalds or something. Oct 21 20:00
DaemonFCSomeone asked if it's OK to use Walmart's Super Tech motor oil.Oct 21 20:04
DaemonFCSure it is.Oct 21 20:04
DaemonFCI used to use it all the time.Oct 21 20:04
DaemonFClike 7-8 years ago it was 88 cents per quartOct 21 20:05
DaemonFCit's just recycled oil with a fresh detergent package in itOct 21 20:05
DaemonFCThere's no point using it now though. It's like $2 per quart, and Valvoline is $2.40. :)Oct 21 20:05
DaemonFCIt used to be that if you used recycled oil, you got it really cheap because some people didn't want to use it.Oct 21 20:07
DaemonFCNow because of that "save the Earth" crap, they just call it "Earth Friendly" motor oil, charge the same price, and keep the difference in their own pockets.Oct 21 20:07
DaemonFCNow I just use what goes on sale or has good rebates.Oct 21 20:09
DaemonFCSo I switch from Valvoline to Quaker State to Castrol. Oct 21 20:10
DaemonFCIf you get them in the five quart bottles on a good sale at the auto part stores, they're like $1.60-$1.80 per quart.Oct 21 20:10
AdrianGhow often is motor oil recycledOct 21 20:14
DaemonFCWell, it's just a filtering process.Oct 21 20:17
DaemonFCThey filter it really good and then add a new detergent package.Oct 21 20:18
DaemonFCIt should be just as good as new.Oct 21 20:18
DaemonFCI don't know how often it's recycled actually.Oct 21 20:18
DaemonFCThey don't have to label it that way.Oct 21 20:18
DaemonFCThe bottles that say it's a certain percentage recycled are greenwashing their product.Oct 21 20:19
DaemonFCBut it's likely that most brands have a certain percentage, because it gets costs down.Oct 21 20:19
DaemonFCLet's them sell it at places like Walmart.Oct 21 20:19
DaemonFC*letsOct 21 20:20
DaemonFCIt's better for the environment and there really is no quality difference, but they do it because it's cheap.Oct 21 20:21
DaemonFCLike I said, I used 100% recycled for a long time and never had any engine problems.Oct 21 20:21
DaemonFCI used 100% recycled because it was 88 cents per quart.Oct 21 20:22
DaemonFCIt has to meet all the same specifications or they can't legally sell it.Oct 21 20:22
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link via Slashdot.org.Oct 21 20:25
DaemonFC53 minutes ago · EditedOct 21 20:25
DaemonFCThe credit bureaus are selling your information to identity thieves, and then offering to sell you protection from identity thieves.Oct 21 20:25
DaemonFC"Hey, it's a dangerous part of town. How about you give me $100 and I make sure this here baseball bat doesn't do anything bad to your store?"Oct 21 20:25
DaemonFCI'm skeptical of 5w20 oil.Oct 21 20:27
DaemonFCThe OEMs like it because it raises their fuel efficiency average by like 1.5%, and gets you out of their warranty coverage phase, but I really don't trust it to protect my engine.Oct 21 20:27
DaemonFCI really can't see how it wouldn't cause excess engine wear.Oct 21 20:28
DaemonFCI switch between 5w30 in the winter and 10w30 in the summer.Oct 21 20:28
DaemonFCWalmart is just a really bad place to take your car.Oct 21 20:30
DaemonFCTheir business model is how to get things cheap, not selling quality goods and services.Oct 21 20:30
DaemonFCYou don't want to go thin edge of the wedge on your $40,000 car.Oct 21 20:30
DaemonFC:)Oct 21 20:30
DaemonFCI thought it was hilarious when a Honda owner took their Prelude to Jiffy Lube and got a transmission flush with that stupid T-Tech machine.Oct 21 20:32
DaemonFCThey put the wrong ATF fluid into the transmission and it broke down on her way home.Oct 21 20:32
DaemonFCHonda uses some kind of "special" ATF fluid that's like blue iirc, and Jiffy Lube replaced the blue with the red.Oct 21 20:33
DaemonFC:)Oct 21 20:33
DaemonFCThe coloring in just a dye. The purpose of the dye is to make it obvious that you're about to put in the wrong fluid if the colors don't match.Oct 21 20:34
DaemonFCThey do the same thing with antifreeze/coolant.Oct 21 20:34
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DaemonFCLooks like they poured another section of that sidewalk right before it started raining.Oct 21 20:49
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Cirrus_Minorsign up for livestream from linuxcon from here in scotland http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe/program/live-video-stream #stream wont be live until 2mrwOct 21 23:35
TechrightsBot-trevents.linuxfoundation.org | Live Video Stream | Linux Conferences and Linux Events | The Linux Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/fx440 ]Oct 21 23:35
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DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/police-throw-man-jail-after-mistaking-jolly-ranchers-crystal-methOct 22 00:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.alternet.org | Police Throw Man in Jail After Mistaking Jolly Ranchers for Crystal Meth | Alternet  [ http://ur1.ca/fx47o ]Oct 22 00:19
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DaemonFCI wish...Oct 22 00:50
DaemonFCjust for onceOct 22 00:50
DaemonFCthat that nasty old guy across the street could shut his window before he starts watching porn.Oct 22 00:51
DaemonFCmy eyes.....Oct 22 00:51
DaemonFCowwOct 22 00:51
DaemonFCthe rent is cheapOct 22 00:51
DaemonFCthe rent is cheapOct 22 00:51
DaemonFCI did not see that.Oct 22 00:51
DaemonFCHow long does it take that guy to get off anyway?Oct 22 00:58
DaemonFCHe watches that shit for like hours.Oct 22 00:58
DaemonFCI have to either listen to it or shut the window and suffocate in here.Oct 22 00:59
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DaemonFCI just fucked up and deleted most of my jabber contacts.Oct 22 02:06
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3196289Oct 22 02:06
TechrightsBot-tr@c14@pod.geraspora.de reshared: Feinstein defends #NSA data collection and insists program is 'not surveillance' http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/21/dianne-feinstein-defends-nsa-data-collection?CMP=twt_gu and she's not a politicianOct 22 02:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Feinstein defends NSA data collection and insists program is 'not surveillance' | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fx3jd ]Oct 22 02:06
schestowitz_bed2"The truly scary part is that the NSA has been monitoring Ms Feinstein's calls, and she knows that. Do you think that doesn't affect her decision to support the NSA?"Oct 22 02:06
schestowitz_bed2good point. So now those who fear the NSA need to play ball with it.Oct 22 02:06
schestowitz_bed2"Ah! the water clears :)"Oct 22 02:08
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 22 02:08
schestowitz_bed2I thought her husband has some dirt on him, as a private contractor or something...Oct 22 02:08
schestowitz_bed2http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/10/14/senator-dianne-feinsteins-insidious-defense-of-nsa-surveillance/Oct 22 02:08
schestowitz_bed2see comments: she is a bought and paid for sellout, always has been. Her husband is a well connected war profitteer and now has the contract to sell off the post office properties-which he has been doing to his cronies at below market prices. She allowed all those wonderfuljohn birtch society supreme court justices out of committee because they were honest honorable etc. She is one of the phoniest politicians i have seen going Oct 22 02:08
TechrightsBot-trdissenter.firedoglake.com | In Wall Street Journal, Senator Dianne Feinstein Insidiously Defends NSA Surveillance |  The Dissenter  [ http://ur1.ca/fx4j8 ]Oct 22 02:08
schestowitz_bed2back to the 1950sOct 22 02:08
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 22 02:08
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/how-apples-address-book-app-could-allow-the-nsa-to-harvest-your-contacts/Oct 22 05:56
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | How Apple’s Address Book app could allow the NSA to harvest your contacts | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fx54z ]Oct 22 05:56
SosumicrApple sending stuff as plain test when syching to googleOct 22 05:57
Sosumibut who wants to synch with googgle anyways? lolOct 22 05:57
DaemonFCI'm going to be sick.Oct 22 05:58
DaemonFCI accidentally deleted my Jabber contact list.Oct 22 05:58
Sosumihappens :)Oct 22 06:02
DaemonFCSosumi: Yeah....Oct 22 06:37
DaemonFCI set my status to "Lost my contact list. MESSAGE ME."Oct 22 06:37
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DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?82774-An-Effort-Making-An-Open-Source-Radeon-Video-BIOSOct 22 09:22
TechrightsBot-trphoronix.com | An Effort Making An Open-Source Radeon Video BIOS  [ http://ur1.ca/fx5sr ]Oct 22 09:22
DaemonFC"And no I dont think the radeon firmware is a big problem."Oct 22 09:22
DaemonFCIt is a big problem, it's just not an immediate one.Oct 22 09:22
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iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2056460/twitter-turns-to-open-source-to-prevent-service-disruptions.htmlOct 22 10:12
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | Twitter turns to open source to prevent service disruptions | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fx5yc ]Oct 22 10:12
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/10/pinpointing-the-elop-effect-3-pictures-from-nokia-financial-data-all-agree-it-was-february-2011.htmlOct 22 10:13
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Pinpointing the Elop Effect - 3 Pictures from Nokia Financial Data All Agree it was February 2011  [ http://ur1.ca/fx5yk ]Oct 22 10:13
schestowitz_bed2DaemonFC:  no full HDD backup?Oct 22 10:21
DaemonFCnopeOct 22 10:23
JimmyCarteri love u. dont eva f* question datOct 22 10:23
JimmyCarteroops wrong windowOct 22 10:23
schestowitz_bed2mehOct 22 10:30
schestowitz_bed2JimmyCarter: speaking to Clinton over IRC?Oct 22 10:30
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JimmyCarteris it true SteamOS has a quantum co-processing unitOct 22 10:32
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392579885329571840  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392580303136772096 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392580818692235264Oct 22 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Those who don't keep their address books stored locally (with Free software) are exposing themselves http://t.co/rymJRQStgVOct 22 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Tor became too attractive a target http://t.co/NDsaRtc1Fa better tools neededOct 22 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | 'Tor Stinks' presentation – read the full document | World news | theguardian.comOct 22 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Important distinction: what's bad for the National Security Agency is not bad for national security. [1/2]Oct 22 10:35
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392580846974414848  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392581065183088640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392581394914091008Oct 22 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: In NSA's case, "National Security" a misnomer, it's national espionage and terrorisation, a threat within. #espionage #blackmail [2/2]Oct 22 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Using word "national" before something does not in its own right imply that it serves the nation. Even the Nazis abused the word. BNP too.Oct 22 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Calling something "green", "national", "open", "clean", "organic", "natural" often dishonest. It's just exercise in branding with language.Oct 22 10:35
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392581961166127104  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392582652303515648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392583306665275392 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392583556293459970Oct 22 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Twitter turns to open source to prevent service disruptions http://t.co/O0GVDLAC09 #twitterOct 22 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Count the number of #Microsoft ads in the previous update: news about Twitter. I can count almost 10! #idg strung.  http://t.co/IUm6GSHG4XOct 22 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | IDG - TechrightsOct 22 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How #Elop killed #Nokia and sold what's left to #Microsoft on the penny http://t.co/YvBjWOxs8w http://t.co/4d0rdzesX6Oct 22 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Nokia | Techrights | People's rights in the digital ageOct 22 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Last link gives away preview of new #techrights site managed by #drupal http://t.co/mscOFFOjbhOct 22 10:37
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/cabinetofficeuk/status/387971254709653504Oct 22 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@cabinetofficeuk: Francis Maude: "#transparency is an idea whose time has come" - read blog post on #OGP13 summit http://t.co/S2dnsYwKlV @opengovpartOct 22 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.opengovpartnership.org | Transparency: an idea whose time has come | Open Government PartnershipOct 22 10:38
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392587274887897088Oct 22 10:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: US is copying USSR, Russia isn't the one copying the US https://t.co/Bo17fKiaohOct 22 10:48
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iophkM$ trying to enter competition with Google over advertising, destroyed Yahoo in the process. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/22/us-yahoo-microsoft-ruling-idUSBRE99K15B20131022Oct 22 10:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | Yahoo tried to slow Microsoft search rollout: filing | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/fx67h ]Oct 22 10:48
iophkWolfram Alpha fared poorly tooOct 22 10:48
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schestowitz_bed2http://24.media.tumblr.com/72a75eb917c7d7421d58b8a946fd87fc/tumblr_muwn8oORjH1qdlh1io1_400.gifOct 22 10:49
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/392588881121386496Oct 22 10:54
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz you could add defines dissent as a mental illness, and then removes their children, though even the USSR didn't go that farOct 22 10:54
schestowitz_bed2The comparison also omits attack on journalismOct 22 10:54
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/392592248442875904Oct 22 11:11
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz true...and now both shape news through funding of official domestic propagandaOct 22 11:11
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392588900558192640Oct 22 11:11
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Yahoo couldn't save itself from #microsoft after it got abducted Elop-style http://t.co/ISfBGuviXy http://t.co/nmZpsZT6ZrOct 22 11:11
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft Hijack of Yahoo - TechrightsOct 22 11:11
schestowitz_bed2corporate press, funded by corporations (GE, Disney, etc.) when the government is & and funded by corpoations (gov-run press)Oct 22 11:12
schestowitz_bed2*run and fundedOct 22 11:13
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/392595749524865024Oct 22 11:39
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: http://t.co/WJIRRHXEF7 @schestowitz this is humorous... a product truly nobody wants.Oct 22 11:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.cnet.com | Microsoft's Surface 2 midnight launch has everything but buyers | Microsoft - CNET NewsOct 22 11:39
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3195864Oct 22 11:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![](http://25.media.tumblr.com/218b3d4b5e7a52232f6de022218a65f7/tumblr_mt8d4pWKRi1qlpkw9o1_500.png)  Oct 22 11:56
schestowitz_bed2"fail :)"Oct 22 11:56
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3197992Oct 22 11:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Using word "national" before something does not in its own right imply that it serves the nation. Even the Nazis abused the word. BNP too.Oct 22 11:57
schestowitz_bed2"national is just a disguise for the gouvernments demands on it's subjects.'Oct 22 11:57
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3198060Oct 22 11:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US is copying USSR, Russia isn't the one copying the US https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_964c342949b5889b1843.jpegOct 22 11:57
schestowitz_bed2"yup"Oct 22 11:57
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392606286833254400  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392606804460703744 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392607952622088193 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392608406634500096 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392609292437970944Oct 22 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: From just billions  to 17 trillions. How US plutocrats (outsourcing, using tax havens) looted, passed debt to popul' http://t.co/ySPrLju0UnOct 22 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The ideaologist who helped create the perfect class looting environment is now "worried" http://t.co/pCrkDInYtWOct 22 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Greenspan fears US government set for more debt stalemateOct 22 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Greenspan on "crony capitalism" - "prevalent in China and Russia.. 'worry that we are starting in that direction.'" http://t.co/pCrkDInYtWOct 22 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Compare #China and #Russia #debt to that of the US (versus land/natural reserves it might be even worse) http://t.co/KhS9J4whPS #imfOct 22 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 'Crisis': When government borrows trillions of dollars (on your behalf) to pass to crooked friends (through budgets) from Wall Street, Army.Oct 22 12:13
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392609956370714624Oct 22 12:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Chaining https://t.co/V6JbVoc2JgOct 22 12:15
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3197977Oct 22 12:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Those who don't keep their address books stored locally (with Free software) are exposing themselves http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/how-apples-address-book-app-could-allow-the-nsa-to-harvest-your-contacts/Oct 22 12:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | How Apple’s Address Book app could allow the NSA to harvest your contacts | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fx54z ]Oct 22 12:18
schestowitz_bed2"Or maybe use your own DAV server?"Oct 22 12:18
schestowitz_bed2If there's good encryption and self-hosted (no DC intruders)Oct 22 12:19
schestowitz_bed2The one thing that agents can't easily intrude is your own physical drive, unless they enter the house silently without leaving any clues behind. At the DC and wire level they can do lots of stuff stealthily, as we now have evidence to show that they do. DPI, PRISM, surveillance appliances attached to some servers with or without warrants...Oct 22 12:21
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3197995Oct 22 12:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Calling something "green", "national", "open", "clean", "organic", "natural" often dishonest. It's just exercise in branding with language.Oct 22 12:22
schestowitz_bed2"'Organic' at least refers to a properly defined practice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organiccertification (though standards vary) and it should be possible to take a company to court for misrepresenting products as organic. If in doubt, Soil Association organic certification represents one of the highest standards in the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoilAssociation#Farmers.26Growers"Oct 22 12:22
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organiccertification )Oct 22 12:22
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoilAssociation#Farmers.26Growers )Oct 22 12:22
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3198254Oct 22 13:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Greenspan on "crony capitalism" - "prevalent in China and Russia.. 'worry that we are starting in that direction.'" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24602273Oct 22 13:16
schestowitz_bed2"Starting? Where has he been?"Oct 22 13:16
schestowitz_bed2obviously deep inside the crony capitalism club -- too blind to see oneself from the outsideOct 22 13:16
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3197977Oct 22 13:17
schestowitz_bed2"what about the NSA-backdoors in windows? How would that work?"Oct 22 13:17
schestowitz_bed2Windows is a datacentre of its own. When you install Windows (or the OEM does) the NSA is invited to the party with CIPAVOct 22 13:17
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3198020Oct 22 13:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Last link gives away preview of new #techrights site managed by #drupal http://techrights.org/home/Oct 22 13:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Plutocracy threatened by freedom, democracy, privacy & civil rightsOct 22 13:18
schestowitz_bed2nice... looking good"Oct 22 13:18
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 22 13:18
schestowitz_bed2 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392610805549907968  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392615877583335424 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392617223430623232 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392618092372971520Oct 22 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Contradictory labels https://t.co/9UjeGYZM0XOct 22 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: GNU/Linux "had just become the default OS for the web" and for mobile also http://t.co/J5dew45M3mOct 22 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxformat.com | Bishop to King 7 | Linux FormatOct 22 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Training Scholarship Winner Nam Pho Uses #GNU #Linux for Science  http://t.co/OylkosuS6V #hpcOct 22 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linux.com | Training Scholarship Winner Nam Pho Uses Linux for Science | Linux.comOct 22 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: First it was The H, Groklaw (twice even) and now it's Tuxmachines dot org that's likely shutting down (my fav sites) http://t.co/n6IvItQnHvOct 22 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tuxmachines.org | Tuxmachines.org for sale | tuxmachines.orgOct 22 13:21
schestowitz_bed2"Sounds like it. Or is this another case where things are wrong when Russia and China do them but okay when the West does? Seems China's call for a US free global culture scared a few people..."Oct 22 13:22
iophkChina has the language problem that is a barrier for them going fully globalOct 22 13:23
schestowitz_bed2China is expected to be a bigger economy than the US in 2015 or 2016, the World Bank says. It's not something which the US can do anything about. It can't even start a war; it would be counter-productive and it would only help grease up one large sector of the economy: army, spying, rebuilding, selling loans ('aid') to the survivers while the whole world gets even more pissed off at the US, not just "Bush"/"those damn Republicans"Oct 22 13:25
schestowitz_bed2..Oct 22 13:25
schestowitz_bed2iophk: England helped make the US a lingually advantegeous nationOct 22 13:26
schestowitz_bed2The British spread English more effectively than the Spaniards didOct 22 13:26
schestowitz_bed2And the US helped crush authnomy in Latin/South AmericaOct 22 13:26
iophkYes, it still has the advantage, but Bush burned a lot of good will.  Spanish is big, but the tech and industry are centered around English.Oct 22 13:26
iophkYes, banana republics.Oct 22 13:26
schestowitz_bed2All they're "supposed" to want is Nike, Starbucks, and maybe exporting bananas for a livingOct 22 13:26
schestowitz_bed2Tech is build on EnglishOct 22 13:27
schestowitz_bed2programming langs use itOct 22 13:27
schestowitz_bed2so it cannot be ignoredOct 22 13:27
schestowitz_bed2but it goes back to the 50s and 60s when the US and USSR were the only giants on the blockOct 22 13:27
schestowitz_bed2USSR lost the Turf WarsOct 22 13:27
schestowitz_bed2Vietnam, Korea, Cuba..Oct 22 13:28
iophkAfghanistanOct 22 13:34
iophkThe spread of English has had the side effect that Esperanto interest has died out pretty much.Oct 22 13:36
iophkAFAIK all the European countries use English to communicate between each other unless they share a more traditional language.Oct 22 13:37
iophkThen there is India which uses English heavily and is using that to launch an IT industry of sorts.Oct 22 13:37
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schestowitz_bed2people judge people's intellect based on their ability to express themselves in EnglishOct 22 14:10
schestowitz_bed2In turn, in the political scene, this gives the English-speaking nations more power to influence peersOct 22 14:11
schestowitz_bed2But Chinese/Mandarin is now a good political tool to haveOct 22 14:11
schestowitz_bed2A friend of mine from Malaysia speaks many languages including Mandarin and it helps him get discounts and stuffOct 22 14:11
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/problems-windowsrt-81-updates-continue-0xc000000d-error-workaround-229248Oct 22 15:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Problems with Windows/RT 8.1 updates continue, with 0xc000000d error workaround | Microsoft windows - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fx6z7 ]Oct 22 15:08
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/392657516267466752Oct 22 15:32
TechrightsBot-tr@wood5y: @schestowitz like a good little grass, Julian Smith has also been bleating to the Attorney General http://t.co/OPIO5zfDH3Oct 22 15:32
schestowitz_bed2iophk: post coming..Oct 22 15:33
schestowitz_bed2iophk: in 5 minsOct 22 16:09
schestowitz_bed2the server is slowOct 22 16:09
schestowitz_bed2too much loadOct 22 16:09
schestowitz_bed2drupal already uses caching thoughOct 22 16:09
iophkcpu load?Oct 22 16:09
schestowitz_bed2Varnish times out with errorsOct 22 16:09
schestowitz_bed2This hasn't happened in a whileOct 22 16:10
schestowitz_bed2ki3 cores, or almost 300%, are on mysqldOct 22 16:10
schestowitz_bed2not httpdOct 22 16:10
iophk:(Oct 22 16:11
iophkso drupal was too heavyOct 22 16:11
schestowitz_bed2Windows Vista 8.1, or Windows ‘Brick Edition’, Shows That UEFI is Malicious, Opposite of ‘Secure’Oct 22 16:17
schestowitz_bed2 http://techrights.org/2013/10/22/uefi-bricks-microsoft/ #uefi #linuxOct 22 16:17
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Windows Vista 8.1, or Windows ‘Brick Edition’, Shows That UEFI is Malicious, Opposite of ‘Secure’ | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fx79e ]Oct 22 16:17
schestowitz_bed2http://techrights.org/2013/10/22/requiring-microsoft/Oct 22 16:34
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Open Forum Europe Publishes New Report That Highlights Degree of Microsoft Corruption in Governments | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fx7bf ]Oct 22 16:34
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Sosumiand it's starting now, crApple's crapnoteOct 22 18:04
Sosumihttp://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-22-event/images/IMG_0011.JPGOct 22 18:05
Sosumiminus blue screen of deathOct 22 18:05
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Sosumihum crApple, why call new OSX release Mavericks when you could call it MoronnicksOct 22 18:12
Sosumimoronnicks'll be free (as in beer) but so is GNU/LinuxOct 22 18:25
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Sosumiwith the kudos of not being bundled with garbageOct 22 18:25
Sosumitrash can pro starting at $2999Oct 22 18:39
Sosumiprobably fully speced will reach $8000Oct 22 18:40
Sosumimy workstation with 4 gtx titans beats that for the same priceOct 22 18:40
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Sosumiand apple charging an arm and a leg for the trashcan proOct 22 21:22
SosumiI wonder how many mactards will fall for itOct 22 21:22
SosumiI know! pawn a kidney for a trashcanOct 22 21:25
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DaemonFCApple apparently removed X11.app in OS X 10.8Oct 22 21:51
DaemonFCThey left some breadcrumbs to XQuartz without specifying exactly how you're supposed to install it.Oct 22 21:51
SosumiyeahOct 22 21:52
Sosumiand the thing hasn't received an update for an year alreadyOct 22 21:52
Sosumithey aren't interested in it anymore since the academic market is pretty much deadOct 22 21:53
Sosumiand I mean the real academic market, no those students or even teachers with more money (or debt) than senseOct 22 21:54
Sosumithey killed it back in 2010Oct 22 21:55
Sosumiso no more virginia tech system XOct 22 21:55
Sosuminor our own INETI systemOct 22 21:55
Sosumiwell, not running OSX, that is :)Oct 22 21:56
Sosumiand typical of arstechnica, Siracusa wrote a 24 pages review of moronicksOct 22 21:58
Sosumibut ho well, I'll laugh when those trashcans start having eating problems, of which they will, Oct 22 22:01
Sosumijust like those unibody macbooks also haveOct 22 22:01
Sosumior not being able to fully exploit turboboost because there's no thermal room for thatOct 22 22:02
DaemonFCWell, Apple has that "Gatekeeper" thing now.Oct 22 22:07
DaemonFCThat's eventually going to become a way of stopping people from using software that Apple doesn't like.Oct 22 22:08
DaemonFCRight now it lets you turn it off and run anything you want, but I have a feeling that will change.Oct 22 22:08
Sosumiyeah I know, it comes enable by default tooOct 22 22:11
Sosumi*enabledOct 22 22:11
Sosumibut about what I'm surprised in this is that I haven't seen the release 2013b for unix around yetOct 22 22:12
SosumiI don't think mathworks will kill it's linux version, but osxOct 22 22:13
Sosumiand with apple not updating xquartzOct 22 22:13
Sosumiit could be on the chopping blockOct 22 22:13
DaemonFCIs XQuartz not being updated?Oct 22 22:14
SosuminopOct 22 22:14
Sosumilast update was an year agoOct 22 22:15
Sosumihttp://xquartz.macosforge.org/landing/Oct 22 22:15
TechrightsBot-trxquartz.macosforge.org | XQuartzOct 22 22:15
Sosumi27/09/2012Oct 22 22:15
Sosumiwith a beta from 20/06/2013Oct 22 22:16
Sosumithat spells death to meOct 22 22:16
Sosumiplus macosforge and macports are were apple ditches what they no longer care aboutOct 22 22:16
Sosumiin order to fade thingsOct 22 22:17
Sosumiplus we all know, that although apple releases the darwin packeage for opendarwinOct 22 22:18
Sosumiand even released some source code from the grand central dispatchOct 22 22:18
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Sosumithat they don't care about the community and are often hostile to suggestionsOct 22 22:18
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Sosumiyay, well time to go to bedOct 22 22:45
SosumignOct 22 22:45
DaemonFCFedora 20 has a Wayland preview.Oct 23 00:28
DaemonFCbut it's not really ready to useOct 23 00:29
DaemonFCIt only works with the GNOME desktop, you have to manually invoke the wayland session, it only works with Intel graphics, and it's got some bugs and performance issues that need resolved.Oct 23 00:29
DaemonFCWayland will probably be the default in Fedora 21.Oct 23 00:30
DaemonFCI'd imagine that the proprietary drivers won't be ready, but Fedora won't care.Oct 23 00:33
DaemonFCRPM Fusion could probably do the packaging in a way that starts X if you still use proprietary drivers.Oct 23 00:34
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o-Flb5CBOoOct 23 02:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | John McAfee: Obamacare Unfixable, Scrap it! - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fx9fy ]Oct 23 02:22
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amarsh04back in a few, loading new kernelOct 23 03:10
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DaemonFCI went out to start up the car and get some fast food.Oct 23 03:45
DaemonFCWhen I turned on the windshield wipers, they just smeared the windshield. :POct 23 03:45
DaemonFCSo on the way back, I stopped by Walmart and got some new wiper blades. :POct 23 03:45
DaemonFCI think the old ones were the ones installed on the car by the factory in 1996.Oct 23 03:46
DaemonFCRyan Farmer So, an Apple Genius walks up and says "I'm going to teach you a lesson.". Of course, the correct reply is "I already know how to make $9 an hour.".Oct 23 04:48
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Sosumionly $9 a hour?Oct 23 05:37
Sosumisweat shop crAppleOct 23 05:37
DaemonFCI couldn't imagine those jobs paying more than $9-10 an hour.Oct 23 06:03
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ4MDEOct 23 06:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] AMD Intentionally Crippled Their HDMI Adapters  [ http://ur1.ca/fxa76 ]Oct 23 06:15
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DaemonFCThe street department finally decided to fix the street I live on.Oct 23 08:48
DaemonFCIt was getting so bad that in another few months, it wouldn't even be a street anymore.Oct 23 08:48
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iophkGoing after M$ Office by giving away iWorksOct 23 09:18
iophkhttp://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/apple-gives-away-mavericks-iwork-and-ilife-for-free-20131023-2w00z.htmlOct 23 09:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.smh.com.au | Apple gives away Mavericks, iWork and iLife for free  [ http://ur1.ca/fxas6 ]Oct 23 09:18
iophkbut only on specific devicesOct 23 09:19
DaemonFChttp://www.gamespot.com/articles/wii-discontinuation-in-japan-won-t-affect-availability-in-united-states/1100-6415717/Oct 23 09:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.gamespot.com | Wii discontinuation in Japan won't affect availability in United States - GameSpot  [ http://ur1.ca/fxas8 ]Oct 23 09:19
DaemonFCThe Wii is still doing well in the United States.Oct 23 09:19
DaemonFCThe Wii-U isn't.Oct 23 09:19
DaemonFCOf course, the Wii is much cheaper and so are the games.Oct 23 09:19
DaemonFCIt's probably a result of the bad economy.Oct 23 09:20
DaemonFC20 years ago, this never would have happened. The Wii would be off the shelves already.Oct 23 09:20
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DaemonFChttp://bigstory.ap.org/article/wal-mart-set-hold-made-america-meetingOct 23 09:50
TechrightsBot-trbigstory.ap.org | Wal-Mart pushes 'made in America' at summit  [ http://ur1.ca/fxawg ]Oct 23 09:50
DaemonFCbull fucking shitOct 23 09:50
DaemonFCThere's barely a thing in that store that's not made in China.Oct 23 09:50
DaemonFCEven the American flags are made in China.Oct 23 09:51
DaemonFCMom thought it was funny that I knew exactly what my checking account balance was the other day.Oct 23 09:53
DaemonFCI told her that I keep an eye on it because the banks are pretty vicious about overdrafts these days.Oct 23 09:54
DaemonFCSome banks charge huge overdraft fees, while others charge you a fixed amount just to have an account.Oct 23 09:55
DaemonFCSo I chose high overdraft fees and no monthly account fee.Oct 23 09:55
DaemonFCI've never had an overdraft, so I never pay to have an account.Oct 23 09:55
DaemonFCThose fees sneak up on you. It might only be $6 a month or something, but that's $72 a year to the bank for essentially no reason at all.Oct 23 09:56
iophkhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/danwoods/2013/10/22/why-hasnt-open-source-taken-over-storage/Oct 23 09:57
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Why Hasn't Open Source Taken Over Storage? - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fxaxh ]Oct 23 09:57
iophk"If Linux and BSD weren’t free, it is clear that businesses like Amazon and Google  would have a much harder time of it"Oct 23 09:57
iophkforget performance and customizability...Oct 23 09:57
DaemonFCThe Kindle Fire tablets are a really nasty piece of work.Oct 23 09:57
DaemonFCIt's basically Android, but you can't use Google's app store.Oct 23 09:58
DaemonFCand you have to pay them another $15 if you want those screensaver ads to go away.Oct 23 09:58
DaemonFCI guess if there's a way to root the device and install another operating system on it, that might be OK.Oct 23 09:59
DaemonFCAmazon sells them at a loss because they figure you'll buy shit from them later.Oct 23 09:59
DaemonFCSame thing happens with game consoles. It's one of the reasons Sony removed Other OS.Oct 23 09:59
DaemonFCYou had organizations buying PS3s to use as servers and compute clusters, and Sony was losing $100 a pop because they thought they'd make up for it with games.Oct 23 10:00
DaemonFCSo if you are just buying subsidized hardware like Playstations and XBOXs and Kindles because you know you can use them in some way that those companies never planned on, then that's good.Oct 23 10:01
DaemonFCYou cost them money and that hurts their business model (which is a nasty business model that deserves whatever you can do to hurt it).Oct 23 10:01
DaemonFChttp://www.gamespot.com/articles/windows-8-1-now-available/1100-6415633/Oct 23 10:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.gamespot.com | Windows 8.1 now available - GameSpot  [ http://ur1.ca/fxay0 ]Oct 23 10:02
DaemonFC*yawn*Oct 23 10:02
DaemonFCWindows 8 uptake is happening even slower than Windows Vista's was.Oct 23 10:03
DaemonFCCalling 8.1 an emergency re-release is entirely appropriate.Oct 23 10:03
DaemonFCSo what we see going on right now is that Windows 7 is still climbing at the expense of XP, but 8 is really going nowhere.Oct 23 10:04
DaemonFCNot that XP is going away anytime soon.Oct 23 10:04
DaemonFCMicrosoft might stop supporting it in April, but people are going to still be using XP in 2020.Oct 23 10:05
DaemonFCMaybe even in the double digits still.Oct 23 10:05
iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2056780/open-source-needs-more-tech-savvy-lawyers-linux-foundation-says.htmlOct 23 10:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | Open source needs more tech-savvy lawyers, Linux Foundation says | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fxaz0 ]Oct 23 10:17
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DaemonFCshouldn't have drank that tomato soupOct 23 12:28
DaemonFCtired nowOct 23 12:28
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi/status/392965878293069824Oct 23 13:24
TechrightsBot-tr@JorgeStolfi: @schestowitz But that post misses the point, no? UTF-8 is not an alternative to Unicode, it's just a file compression format for Unicode.Oct 23 13:24
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392954352958443521 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392954658215702528Oct 23 13:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Last month I struggled with many PC hardware issues; last night that computer (I've migrated away) finally got root-level corruptions [1/2]Oct 23 13:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: It is interesting how 5-year-old hardware with a 3-year-old Live CD can be used to so reliably act as a 'permanent' OS, for now... [2/2]Oct 23 13:25
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392961845570850816  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392971370709417985  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392978737966645248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392982441407045632 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/392989505671929857Oct 23 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft Culture Against Another Universal Standard: #Unicode http://t.co/pmcw9aKmzK #standard #microsoft practice......Oct 23 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft Culture Against Another Universal Standard: Unicode | TechrightsOct 23 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Mozilla Gains More Credibility by Hiring #Xiph Founder Monty Montgomery http://t.co/E4CEnZ4SmT #mozilla #chrome #googleOct 23 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Mozilla Gains More Credibility by Hiring Xiph.org Founder Monty Montgomery | TechrightsOct 23 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Android With Proprietary Apps Installed is Not Secure  http://t.co/kTkzELEAr4 #android #linux #security #privacyOct 23 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Android With Proprietary Apps Installed is Not Secure | TechrightsOct 23 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Applications/Games-Related Links for September-October 2013 http://t.co/qZC1UtFWgI #techrightsOct 23 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Applications/Games-Related Links for September-October 2013 | TechrightsOct 23 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: GNU/Linux Became Invisible Yet Ubiquitous  http://t.co/0JgERq1m46 #gnu #linuxOct 23 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | GNU/Linux Became Invisible Yet Ubiquitous | TechrightsOct 23 13:26
DaemonFCIt beats the Apple update procedure.Oct 23 13:27
DaemonFCStep 1. Buy new computer.Oct 23 13:27
DaemonFCStep 2. Wait two years.Oct 23 13:27
DaemonFCStep 3. Throw expensive computer in trash.Oct 23 13:27
DaemonFCStep 4. Repeat 1-3.Oct 23 13:27
DaemonFCrecent Linux kernels have radeon dynamic power management, but it's not on by defaultOct 23 13:41
DaemonFCI turned it on and the card has been much quieter.Oct 23 13:41
DaemonFCI think they changed Constant Comment tea.Oct 23 13:43
DaemonFCdoesn't taste like it used toOct 23 13:43
DaemonFCmaybe I just got a bad batch or somethingOct 23 13:43
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DaemonFCit's freezing in hereOct 23 14:18
DaemonFCwish I knew where my slippers areOct 23 14:18
DaemonFCthe cat drags them around and hides themOct 23 14:18
Sosumione thing for the folks buying drm crippled computersOct 23 14:34
Sosumijust don'tOct 23 14:34
Sosumibuy consolesOct 23 14:34
Sosumias for apple giving away stuff,Oct 23 14:34
Sosumiwell they can  live with that thx to their high margins on hardwareOct 23 14:35
Sosumijust look the pricing of the basic mac proOct 23 14:35
Sosumioverpriced across the boardOct 23 14:35
Sosumisame for the minisOct 23 14:35
Sosumiplus the trashcan seem to have gimped versions of desktop firepro cardsOct 23 14:36
DaemonFCyeahOct 23 14:36
DaemonFCApple's hardware prices are like the price of popcorn and a coke once you get into the movie theater.Oct 23 14:37
DaemonFCWhat costs 25 cents and $1 anywhere else on Earth is now $10 and $5.Oct 23 14:37
DaemonFCThey get you in the store and then they hit you with the prices.Oct 23 14:38
DaemonFCBut they have a financing program.Oct 23 14:38
DaemonFCat 30%Oct 23 14:38
DaemonFC:)Oct 23 14:38
SosumilulzOct 23 14:39
DaemonFCHow dumb do you have to be to finance a computer at 30% APR?Oct 23 14:39
Sosumidumb⁶Oct 23 14:39
DaemonFCApple's devices have a planned life expectancy of anywhere from two to five years.Oct 23 14:39
DaemonFCYou'll probably still be making payments on it after it's declared end of life.Oct 23 14:40
Sosumi5 years only for the efi64 mac pros and xserversOct 23 14:40
Sosumibecause those can actually be upgraded and servicedOct 23 14:40
Sosumitypical macbook with heavy use 3 years maxOct 23 14:41
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DaemonFCyeah, I liked the whole "putty knife to open the Mac Mini" thingOct 23 14:41
Sosumisame could be said of the imacOct 23 14:41
DaemonFCand after you've finished carving into the finish.....Oct 23 14:41
DaemonFC:)Oct 23 14:41
Sosumiif you're on macbook pro, expect your fans bearings to crap out after 2 and so yearsOct 23 14:42
DaemonFCI don't get why a computer that's going to be a stationary object needs to be small or use slow laptop hardware.Oct 23 14:42
DaemonFClaptop hardware sucks because it's a sacrifice you make to make it mobileOct 23 14:42
DaemonFCWhy put it it in a stationary desktop computer?Oct 23 14:43
Sosumiform over functionOct 23 14:43
Sosumiand well, they also sacrifice cooling in order to have a "kewl" designOct 23 14:43
DaemonFCmostly passive cooling means slow hardwareOct 23 14:44
Sosumithat is why macbooks and this new imacs can easily reach 90ºCOct 23 14:44
Sosumithe tingle will throttle itself downOct 23 14:44
DaemonFCYou can have fast hardware with passive cooling, but the heatsink is going to be giganticOct 23 14:44
Sosumithat's what I said yesterday, the new mac pro doesn't even have enough headroom to use turbo boostOct 23 14:44
DaemonFCThe PowerPC models were just better.Oct 23 14:45
SosumiyepOct 23 14:45
DaemonFCApple switched to Intel and pocketed the difference.Oct 23 14:45
Sosumithey just didn't want to work with ibm and freescale in the chip designOct 23 14:46
Sosumibut yes ppc was better and actually runned cool in the case of the G4Oct 23 14:46
DaemonFCThere's really no benefit that x86 brings other than that you can run Windows software through Wine.Oct 23 14:46
DaemonFCCrossover Mac ships its own X server now.Oct 23 14:47
DaemonFCApparently they don't trust that the user will be able to figure out how to install XQuartzOct 23 14:47
SosumilolOct 23 14:48
Sosumixquartz is deadOct 23 14:48
Sosumino updates for more than an yearOct 23 14:48
DaemonFCyeah, they do fade things awayOct 23 14:48
Sosumiwhy do you think I dropped osx last november?Oct 23 14:48
DaemonFCthey pretend like it will continue without them, and then it just stops working at some pointOct 23 14:49
Sosumibecause x11 got kicked into the wasteland aka macorforge/macportsOct 23 14:49
DaemonFCI just don't get how they sell the kind of stuff they sell.Oct 23 14:49
DaemonFCThey lost me when they started selling $300 MP3 playersOct 23 14:49
Sosumithe artsy fartsys folks'll probably keep buying themOct 23 14:50
Sosumiplus those college undergrads who tend to like shiny stuffOct 23 14:51
DaemonFCyeah, ipod has become a generic trademarkOct 23 14:51
Sosumithat is usually sold to stupid pplOct 23 14:51
DaemonFCa company says "ipod compatible" they mean it has a 3.5 mm jackOct 23 14:51
Sosumiactually, a dude who won some project that my university made got an iPad as prizeOct 23 14:51
Sosumiso you can see the culture being promotedOct 23 14:51
Sosumishiny things for stupid ppl :)Oct 23 14:53
Sosumiand when I say stuff like that, well, I'm seen as an outcastOct 23 14:53
Sosumiconfirmed, top of the line D700 is just a rebranded w7000Oct 23 14:56
Sosumiand downclocked tooOct 23 14:56
Sosumioops, I meant w9000Oct 23 14:56
Sosumi3.5 TFLOPS vs 4 TFLOPSOct 23 14:57
Sosumiwhy get the real thing, when you can pay twice for a gimped versionOct 23 14:57
Sosumiwith gimped driversOct 23 14:57
DaemonFCwell, I enter contests to win ipads and stuff like thatOct 23 15:24
DaemonFCI don't really want one, but someone will pay me money to buy it if I win.Oct 23 15:24
DaemonFCIf they're going to buy it, I might as well get their money instead of them going to the Apple store and buying one anyway.Oct 23 15:25
iophk(16.45.27) DaemonFC: The PowerPC models were just better.Oct 23 15:28
iophkMuch betterOct 23 15:28
brendynschestowitz_bed2: "When you burn stuff it creates heat, and moreover it emits smoke, which traps heat inside the atmosphere"Oct 23 15:28
SosumiI think he'd have been much better with a nexus 7 or 10Oct 23 15:28
brendynschestowitz_bed2: Preeeetty sure this is a silly mistake. I think the direct heat from burning fuels is not going to do anything to the heat of the planet?Oct 23 15:29
brendynschestowitz_bed2: It's the fumes that effect the atmosphere and ocean that do it, since they really effect the rate of earth radiating heat. earths temperature is basically an equilibrium between input from the sun and nuclear decay in the earth, and radiating heat being lost, and that this is working on orders of magnitudes of energy much higher than direct heat from burning the fuel?Oct 23 15:34
brendynseems obvious to me but could be wrongOct 23 15:34
DaemonFCI still don't see why I should upgrade from my Phenom II X4 system.Oct 23 15:41
DaemonFCIt's not like there have been incredible advances since 2008.Oct 23 15:41
DaemonFCWell, there have been, but mostly on the software side.Oct 23 15:42
*brendyn waits for a quantum computerOct 23 15:43
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Sosumibrendyn, why wait for a quantum computer when you can simulate one?Oct 23 16:10
Sosumialso, 8 core amd CPUs are nice and well pricedOct 23 16:10
Sosumilast time I looked, my local hardware store had the top model at 199€Oct 23 16:11
DaemonFChttps://lwn.net/Articles/571242/Oct 23 16:21
TechrightsBot-trlwn.net | Linux 3.0.101  [LWN.net]Oct 23 16:21
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Sosumibang for the buckOct 23 17:50
Sosumihttp://dylanreeve.com/computers/2013/building-the-mac-pro.htmlOct 23 17:50
TechrightsBot-trdylanreeve.com | Building The Mac Pro | Edit Geek  [ http://ur1.ca/fxght ]Oct 23 17:50
Sosumiaround same pricing of entry model, minus crippled hardwareOct 23 17:50
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/23/finland-gets-freelibre-open-source-software/Oct 23 17:52
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Finland Gets Free/Libre Open Source Software  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fxgi5 ]Oct 23 17:52
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Sosumiyay it has been raining for 7 hours alreadyOct 23 20:46
SosumiI think that tomorrow I'll go tro classes in a rubber boatOct 23 20:46
schestowitz_bed2I'm thinking of buying tuxmachines.orgOct 23 20:47
schestowitz_bed2latest from email:Oct 23 20:48
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 23 20:48
schestowitz_bed2> Well, I'd hate to lowball myself as I'm not sure what to even ask.  Why not Oct 23 20:48
schestowitz_bed2> make an offer and see how far it is from my squeal position?Oct 23 20:48
schestowitz_bed2I don't have much money and I thought I'd like to see my favourite source of news (I read every post, repost the links in social media, sometimes in my site) strong and going. If the option is between having it idle (I don't like LXer and LinuxToday as much, but I use them too as secondaries) or taking over to keep it going (even at personal cost), then I'm willing to spend up to a thousand bucks. I'm not a businessman but an Oct 23 20:48
schestowitz_bed2ideaologist in a sense -- to me it's about philosophical reasons, always has been :-)Oct 23 20:48
schestowitz_bed2Seeing Groklaw and The H go (to name just the big ones and recent cases) reminded me of how giants can fall if people don't help out... not sure even Phoronix will last for years, but Michael seems to have found a stable business model. Or at least he makes it appear so... many posers try to pass this impression with Google AdSense or other nonsense, actually operating at a major loss or debt like some stores that live off the Oct 23 20:48
schestowitz_bed2banks' (loan) patience...Oct 23 20:48
schestowitz_bed2Anyway, enough of me rambling... :-) If you want someone to keep the site active with its current spirit, layout, etc. then you can trust me. I am fielding the "Linux" account in Diapora, so narrowing down the links based on scope would be simple.Oct 23 20:48
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 23 20:48
Sosumiisn't tuxmachines.org a computer seller?Oct 23 20:49
Sosumisilly me, should have checked the website 1stOct 23 20:50
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schestowitz_bed2yeahOct 23 20:59
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3202732Oct 23 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Android With Proprietary Apps Installed is Not SecureOct 23 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Android With Proprietary Apps Installed is Not Secure | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fxhb6 ]Oct 23 21:00
schestowitz_bed2"Well android cant be secure <- proprietary driver"Oct 23 21:00
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3202732Oct 23 21:01
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schestowitz_bed2"Oct 23 21:02
schestowitz_bed2Cell phones are backdoored by the radio control computer and that defeats free software replacements for Android like Replicant.Oct 23 21:02
schestowitz_bed2http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/sep/19/android-free-software-stallmanOct 23 21:02
schestowitz_bed2I'm not sure that I can trust any of my computers.Oct 23 21:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Is Android really free software? | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fxhbj ]Oct 23 21:02
schestowitz_bed2The phrase, "The user is the weakest link," has always irritated me. It sounds like a cop out for decent system design. It's true that you can't rely on users to pick out things that are really random and that pass phrase guessing has been a good way to break cryptography, but that and other flaws of human nature should be worked around. Microsoft has always blamed users for their own design flaws, which we now know is a double Oct 23 21:02
schestowitz_bed2insult because Microsoft routinely betrayed users. The phrase should be retired along with other non free software wisdom about professional software development, copyright protection, etc.Oct 23 21:02
schestowitz_bed2The free software community can do better. We can make distributions like Debian that are have relatively safe repositories of software. We can teach users how to generate decent pass phrases and give them good crypto that does more if required without making people remember nonsensical patterns of numbers and letters. Most of all, we can teach our neighbors how non free software is an injustice. Then people might be able to trustOct 23 21:02
schestowitz_bed2their computers.Oct 23 21:02
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 23 21:02
schestowitz_bed2Microsoft faults users when the OS is to blame. Google can blame users for installing random stuff from the Web; the OS can't protect against that. Windows has back doors and poor design.Oct 23 21:03
Sosumistill better than osx in some regards :POct 23 21:10
Sosumihttp://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+2+Teardown/18604/1Oct 23 21:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.ifixit.com | Microsoft Surface Pro 2 Teardown - iFixit  [ http://ur1.ca/fxhdg ]Oct 23 21:18
Sosumi0 repairabilityOct 23 21:18
Sosumiand again, shiny things for the stupidOct 23 21:18
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Sosumiwow I was dcOct 23 21:19
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393101900536893440  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393102469880107008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393103107757834240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393103454614618113Oct 23 21:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Finland Gets Free/Libre Open Source Software http://t.co/fUJOTQr3sM https://t.co/2NcknuMEqN #finlandOct 23 21:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> mrpogson.com | Finland Gets Free/Libre Open Source Software  |   Robert PogsonOct 23 21:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> joinup.ec.europa.eu | Open source search engine for Finnish libraries and museums | JoinupOct 23 21:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 68-year old grandmother killed by #CIA #drone n October 2012 as she picked vegetables in her family's fields.  https://t.co/KzZJJBuY9lOct 23 21:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: What's "normal" https://t.co/YSY3oaomcDOct 23 21:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Canadians sue their own government over domestic spying http://t.co/MX3ulkbrbi #aclu sued alsoOct 23 21:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.dailydot.com | The Daily Dot - Canadians sue their own government over domestic spyingOct 23 21:21
Sosumiand frenchie president goes anal about the NSA/GCHQ dragnet after helping them setting it upOct 23 21:22
Sosumijust like the germansOct 23 21:22
Sosumimaking malware for "lawfull" useOct 23 21:23
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/393112040946270208Oct 23 21:38
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @noseyparkerunit being a US ally is like being a #Microsoft partner so it seems @schestowitzOct 23 21:38
schestowitz_bed2UNIX/Linux power: for ip in $(seq 1 254); do ping -c 1 192.168.1.$ip>/dev/null; [ $? -eq 0 ] && echo "192.168.1.$ip UP" || : ; doneOct 23 21:39
Sosumiand it seems that a guy from the macrumors forums who used to sell flashed cards for the mac pros just got his business killedOct 23 21:55
Sosumiand is raging like madOct 23 21:55
Sosumiwell, now he can start making mods to use obsulete trashcans as vacum cleaner adaptorsOct 23 21:56
Sosumiplaned obsolescence :POct 23 21:59
Sosumiwhich in the case of apple it used to come in the form of drivers only seeing 1 or 2 updates in 5 yearsOct 23 22:00
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Sosumihttp://semiaccurate.com/2013/10/21/microsoft-admits-image-net-consumer-negative/Oct 23 22:20
TechrightsBot-trsemiaccurate.com | Microsoft admits their image is a net consumer negative | SemiAccurate  [ http://ur1.ca/fxhl8 ]Oct 23 22:20
SosumiM$ so ashamed of their public image, they don't even put "microsoft" in the boxOct 23 22:20
Sosumiactually, that trend started with the xbox slim modelOct 23 22:20
MinceRrightfully soOct 23 22:20
Sosumialso, packeage is TERRIBLEOct 23 22:21
SosumiM$ should fire their propaganda/marketing divisionOct 23 22:21
MinceRm$ should just shut downOct 23 22:21
MinceRit's the only ethical thing they can doOct 23 22:21
SosuminahOct 23 22:22
Sosumithey should burnOct 23 22:22
Sosumito the groundOct 23 22:22
Sosumibaby!Oct 23 22:22
Sosumibut meanwhile let them hemorrage as much money as they canOct 23 22:23
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MinceRthey shouldn't hemorrhage moneyOct 23 22:23
MinceRthey should give it back to the people they stole it fromOct 23 22:23
Sosumi^^Oct 23 22:23
Sosumibut that's not going to happen,Oct 23 22:25
Sosumiso best hope is crash and burn whille hemorraging as much money as possibleOct 23 22:26
Sosumiand let crapple take their place as the necessary evilOct 23 22:26
MinceRi'd prefer for crApple to die as wellOct 23 22:27
MinceRthey're just yet another microsoftOct 23 22:27
Sosumiwell, that's going to be hardOct 23 22:27
Sosumibecause of brand loyality from the tardsOct 23 22:27
Sosumieven through, they no longer make anything worth buyingOct 23 22:28
MinceRthey're already slippingOct 23 22:28
MinceRtheir idol is dead, their maps failed, hypeOS 7 is failingOct 23 22:28
Sosumibut they have too much cash in the bankOct 23 22:28
MinceRso does m$Oct 23 22:28
Sosumiand ppl keep lining to get their shiny crapOct 23 22:29
MinceRmaybe not enough peopleOct 23 22:29
SosumiI don't know thatOct 23 22:29
Sosumibut they'll be in a bad shape in case they lose that volatile icrap crowndOct 23 22:30
Sosumibecause the real pro folks have already movedOct 23 22:30
Sosumispecially the scientifico-academic marketOct 23 22:31
MinceRthe real pro folks were never thereOct 23 22:31
Sosumia certain segment actually wasOct 23 22:31
Sosumithe actual 3d and effects folks always used linux and windowsOct 23 22:32
Sosumibut they did have a foothold in the academic and scientific market, which is my field :)Oct 23 22:32
MinceRi've never heard of thatOct 23 22:33
Sosumiand they killed when they ditched the xserve and xgridOct 23 22:33
MinceRthe xserve sucked anywayOct 23 22:33
MinceRand what "academics" and "scientists" would consider wasting money on xserves?Oct 23 22:33
MinceRi didn't know they had so much money that they didn't know what to do with it :>Oct 23 22:34
Sosumiwe have an institute here which has a cluster built on xserversOct 23 22:34
Sosumialso there was virginia techOct 23 22:34
SosumiI also have one with 20 + 2 controllersOct 23 22:34
MinceRmaybe it's an isolated caseOct 23 22:35
Sosumiit is a very isolated caseOct 23 22:35
Sosumimostly for the ease of setup and the nice gui they had on the toolsOct 23 22:37
MinceRi'd expect academics to look and see beyond looksOct 23 22:38
MinceR(not that i consider crApple's GUIs to be anywhere near "nice")Oct 23 22:38
Sosumiyes, but the ppl who used them at ineti are biologists and etc and from what I knewOct 23 22:40
Sosumithey just got them because they were already used to the OSX everyonmentOct 23 22:40
Sosumiand I got mine in 2009 probably in the same fashionOct 23 22:41
SosumiinertiaOct 23 22:41
Sosumialso, my university's department of chemistry also has a small clusterOct 23 22:41
Sosumiof guess what... xserversOct 23 22:42
MinceRsadOct 23 22:42
Sosumilooking at the past from nowOct 23 22:42
Sosumiit is sadOct 23 22:42
MinceRi'm guessing crApple fanboy in management positionOct 23 22:42
Sosumiand everyone is regretting thatOct 23 22:42
SosumiI don't knowOct 23 22:43
Sosumiat least from that departmentOct 23 22:43
Sosumibut I do have teachers in CS and physics whoa are crapple fanboysOct 23 22:43
Sosumibut ho well, it's their moneyOct 23 22:47
Sosumiand a fool and his money are soon parted :)Oct 23 22:47
MinceRunless it's taxpayer's money or something like thatOct 23 22:47
SosumiworseOct 23 22:47
Sosumistudents's moneyOct 23 22:48
Sosumibut at least mine have already paid themselves and keep on churning with rhelOct 23 22:53
MinceR:)Oct 23 22:55
Sosumimaybe I'll grab my grandfather's wine racks and build a cluster with trashcans :POct 23 22:56
Sosumilol, jokingOct 23 22:57
Sosumithe thing has it's gpus crippledOct 23 22:57
MinceR:)Oct 23 22:58
Sosumithey've always done that, for example in between the 17 inches and 15 inches powerbooks/macbooksOct 23 22:59
MinceRhow did they cripple them?Oct 23 22:59
SosumidownclockingOct 23 23:00
Sosumisimply because there's no thermal overheadOct 23 23:00
MinceRmaybe their cooling sucksOct 23 23:00
Sosumiit does, you can't cool 2 gpus, cpu and a psu with a single fan and heatsinkOct 23 23:01
Sosumiso they crippled the trashcan in order to fit the packeageOct 23 23:01
Sosumithat's why I've always saidOct 23 23:01
Sosumithe only good mac is the mac proOct 23 23:01
Sosumiback in ppc days, powerbooks were nice and didn't heat much at allOct 23 23:02
Sosumiwell, I should say "was" the mac proOct 23 23:03
Sosumibecause the tower is no moreOct 23 23:03
Sosumishamefull, neither my university nor the piratebay carry norbert wiener's booksOct 23 23:14
Sosumiand there went 53€ on amazon for cybernetics, god and golen and the human use of humam beingsOct 23 23:31
Sosumiall paper no swindle hereOct 23 23:31
MinceRgnOct 23 23:34
SosumignOct 23 23:36
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*DaemonFC is having an extreme chocolate blizzard for dinner.Oct 24 00:08
DaemonFCthe cat figured out I have ice creamOct 24 00:10
DaemonFCnow he's being a pestOct 24 00:10
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sebsebseb Oct 24 00:35
DaemonFCI don't know why, but lately it's like I can't get enough sugar.Oct 24 01:03
*DaemonFC has been eating payday bars like crazy.Oct 24 01:03
DaemonFChttp://www.prisonplanet.com/officer-in-uc-davis-pepper-spray-incident-to-get-38059.htmlOct 24 01:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.prisonplanet.com | Prison Planet.com  » Officer in UC Davis pepper-spray incident to get $38,059  [ http://ur1.ca/fxi9p ]Oct 24 01:08
sebsebsebDaemonFC: jono how insecure is hotel wirelss really?Oct 24 01:11
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DaemonFCI secured my wifi, but I also gave the password to a bunch of people.Oct 24 01:33
DaemonFCI have some elderly neighbors that are on Social Security and can't afford Comcast's absurd prices.Oct 24 01:34
DaemonFCSo I let them use my wifi. They don't use it much. Just email and stuff.Oct 24 01:34
DaemonFCI wouldn't expect privacy over hotel wifi.Oct 24 01:34
DaemonFCOf course, I don't expect privacy over Comcast either.Oct 24 01:35
DaemonFCIf they get a chance to sell you out for a tax break and protected monopoly status, do you think they'll hesitate?Oct 24 01:35
DaemonFCThose fucking bastards would sell their own mothers.Oct 24 01:35
DaemonFCWell, I remembered the snail mail address of one of my jabber contacts, so I wrote a letter.Oct 24 03:07
DaemonFCan actual letterOct 24 03:07
DaemonFCfirst time in 20 years that I've written an actual letter and put a stamp on itOct 24 03:07
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DaemonFCI've noticed that you can just write anything you want in those coupon codes on Wendys receipts.Oct 24 04:19
DaemonFCLOLOct 24 04:59
DaemonFCThat guy at Wendys was hitting on me.Oct 24 04:59
DaemonFCI told pulled up and asked the lady at the other window to tell him to check his Facebook.Oct 24 05:00
DaemonFCholy shit.....Oct 24 05:00
DaemonFCmust clean houseOct 24 05:00
DaemonFCThat Crown Vic is not being kind to me in the city.Oct 24 05:05
DaemonFC12 mpgOct 24 05:05
DaemonFCouchOct 24 05:05
DaemonFCit's because of all this stop and go drivingOct 24 05:06
DaemonFCMinceR: You wouldn't happen to have some xanax that I could borrow?Oct 24 05:18
DaemonFCanyone? anyone?Oct 24 05:18
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SosumiI only have vodkaOct 24 05:54
Sosumibut if you want I'll let you borrow a bottle :)Oct 24 05:54
Sosumimuch better than xanaxOct 24 05:58
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DaemonFCI've been running around like crazy cleaning my apartment.Oct 24 06:02
DaemonFCwell, back to the grind.Oct 24 06:02
DaemonFCIf you see a cat anywhere, let me know.Oct 24 06:02
Sosumi:)Oct 24 06:06
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3202732Oct 24 07:20
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Android With Proprietary Apps Installed is Not SecureOct 24 07:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Android With Proprietary Apps Installed is Not Secure | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fxhb6 ]Oct 24 07:20
schestowitz_bed2"You can, to an extent, keep users from installing random things from the web by having a good community, package manager and user documentation. Google opted for an anything goes system, that's poor design on their part. If you consider a wide open system good design, the next part is to have a community managing free software packages. Without that freedom, you will have malware and scammers taking advantage of naive users."Oct 24 07:20
schestowitz_bed2RMS:Oct 24 07:24
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 24 07:24
schestowitz_bed2>     Starting with their Web sites, some government departments are movingOct 24 07:25
schestowitz_bed2>     to Free software (GPL). They gradually adopt other such software,Oct 24 07:25
schestowitz_bed2>     beyond the CMS. The company I work for is trying to get more supportOct 24 07:25
schestowitz_bed2>     contracts for these governmental bodies.Oct 24 07:25
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 24 07:25
schestowitz_bed2> If you ever find it possible to write about this, please tell me!Oct 24 07:25
schestowitz_bed2Yesterday the Home Office officially became our client. I don't think there will be an announcement. I alluded to this in a Techrights post yesterday.Oct 24 07:25
schestowitz_bed2By the way, you are very prominent in the new homepage of http://techrights.org (need JavaScript to enable the slider). It speaks about privacy and throws around the F word (freedom).Oct 24 07:25
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Plutocracy threatened by freedom, democracy, privacy & civil rightsOct 24 07:25
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 24 07:25
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi/status/393116153230262273Oct 24 07:29
TechrightsBot-tr@JorgeStolfi: @schestowitz We the enlightened ones sometimes forget that even such simple things are forbidden to those of the wrong religion... 8-)Oct 24 07:29
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3198352Oct 24 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Training Scholarship Winner Nam Pho Uses #GNU #Linux for Science  http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/743393-training-scholarship-winner-nam-pho-uses-linux-for-science #hpcOct 24 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linux.com | Training Scholarship Winner Nam Pho Uses Linux for Science | Linux.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fxk2v ]Oct 24 07:47
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 24 07:48
schestowitz_bed2That's really cool but why is the Linux Foundation emphasizing the low cost nature of free software and causing it "frustrating"? It should be apparent that no matter how he got into free software, free software is doing things that can't be done with other software.Oct 24 07:48
schestowitz_bed2Even if it was true 15 years ago that low cost study was the only thing you could do with free software that you could not do with non free software, the end result of that is an abundance of excellent tools for science. That's what the Linux Foundation should be asking about and emphasizing.Oct 24 07:48
schestowitz_bed2The abundance of tools and versatility of free software for science was apparent 10 years ago when I was starting my thesis work. Everything from system level tools, like remote access, to specific analysis tools and publication tools were simply better. What was cooler was how easy it was to make my own tools chain everything together. If I could get expensive replacement tools on another system, I would have been stuck with Oct 24 07:48
schestowitz_bed2painful manual processes to make sense of the results.Oct 24 07:48
schestowitz_bed2'Oct 24 07:48
schestowitz_bed2"So I asked them. https://plus.google.com/u/0/105083814157272466314/posts/F5fc5GTgBpQ "Oct 24 07:48
TechrightsBot-trplus.google.com | The Linux Foundation - Google+ - Training scholarship winner Nam Pho says he plans to use…  [ http://ur1.ca/fxk30 ]Oct 24 07:48
schestowitz_bed2Software that protects your freedom can also save you money in the long term. But it's a matter of emphasis. The LF backers are those who care about the "bottom line", not freedom.Oct 24 07:49
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3198358Oct 24 08:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: First it was The H, Groklaw (twice even) and now it's Tuxmachines dot org that's likely shutting down (my fav sites) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/61585Oct 24 08:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tuxmachines.org | Tuxmachines.org for sale | tuxmachines.orgOct 24 08:04
schestowitz_bed2"Yeah, H was pretty cool. Too bad it's down. Why did this even happen?"Oct 24 08:04
schestowitz_bed2"Also, Will, please tell me - what's in it to like? do you like the fact that such cool sites are going down? :P come on, man ... let's use "like" buttons wisely :P"Oct 24 08:05
schestowitz_bed2The "like" thing is misnamed. It should be something like "found it informative". The H shut down as it couldn't justify the salaries to Heise anymore; there was no viable business model emerging.Oct 24 08:06
schestowitz_bed2There is a crisis when it comes to journalism around FOSS and Linux.Oct 24 08:06
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iophkold - http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000115&cycle=AOct 24 09:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.opensecrets.org | Microsoft Corp: Summary | OpenSecrets  [ http://ur1.ca/fxkht ]Oct 24 09:27
MinceRgeekingsOct 24 09:35
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393265820358684672  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393269942654869504 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393280071777390592Oct 24 11:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Last night I watched Armageddon -- nationalist propaganda. US saves world. Only Russian on board is portrayed as drunken, rude, and stupid.Oct 24 11:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -John Fitzgerald Kennedy #teargas #rubberbulletsOct 24 11:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Free Software/Open Source-Related Links for September-October 2013 http://t.co/p5VRCj92jA #techrightsOct 24 11:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Free Software/Open Source-Related Links for September-October 2013 | TechrightsOct 24 11:25
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393291176520192000  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393297714613846016 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393305477142282240Oct 24 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Freedom in Education  http://t.co/iii8ZGlz8L #freedom #openaccess #educationOct 24 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Freedom in Education | TechrightsOct 24 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Procurement Corruption: Followup on “Open Bar” Contract Between #Microsoft and the French Ministry of Defence http://t.co/OLrh1WBI1rOct 24 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Procurement Corruption: Followup on “Open Bar” Contract Between Microsoft and the French Ministry of Defence | TechrightsOct 24 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Linux Foundation and #OIN Speak About Licensing/Law in #Edinburgh  http://t.co/VppFgkbSQC #linuxOct 24 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Linux Foundation and OIN Speak About Licensing/Law in Edinburgh | TechrightsOct 24 11:26
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393306599412228096  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393312581664112640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393319695799291904Oct 24 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Some #Canonical / #Ubuntu -Related Links for September-October 2013  http://t.co/gXGEENk8NrOct 24 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Canonical/Ubuntu-Related Links for September-October 2013  | TechrightsOct 24 11:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Debian Update: Debian 7.2 is Out, 'Distro Tracker' Launched http://t.co/chWpM1ozOO #debian #gnu #linux #gsocOct 24 11:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Debian Update: Debian 7.2 is Out, ‘Distro Tracker’ Launched | TechrightsOct 24 11:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: GNU/Linux Desktops Continue to Multiply to Appease Users http://t.co/2sOHifQGej #gnu #linux #gnome #kdeOct 24 11:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | GNU/Linux Desktops Continue to Multiply to Appease Users | TechrightsOct 24 11:27
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3205672Oct 24 11:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Last night I watched Armageddon -- nationalist propaganda. US saves world. Only Russian on board is portrayed as drunken, rude, and stupid.Oct 24 11:40
schestowitz_bed2"Ok but you forget he is the one that saves them both times, so he wasn't stupid. Maybe a little crazy but not stupid. When the station is getting blown up it's not something he did that caused it. He saves them. Then when they can't get the engines to fire he again saves them. You looked at it from the glass being half empty not half full."Oct 24 11:41
schestowitz_bed2they make it seem like aggression and anger is how Russians get their wayOct 24 11:41
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3205693Oct 24 11:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -John Fitzgerald Kennedy #teargas #rubberbulletsOct 24 11:42
schestowitz_bed2"This is true, force is not peacful and will be met with force. The only problem is the people wait to long and sometimes many die before anyone does anything to stop the force which was excessive from the start."Oct 24 11:42
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3206458Oct 24 12:09
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linus Torvalds Smashes the Fedora Project, Calls Them Stupid http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Smashes-the-Fedora-Project-Calls-Them-Stupid-393127.shtml curses a lot, unlike RMSOct 24 12:09
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | Linus Torvalds Smashes the Fedora Project, Calls Them Stupid  [ http://ur1.ca/fxla5 ]Oct 24 12:09
schestowitz_bed2"Boooaaahh , what`s going on ??"Oct 24 12:09
schestowitz_bed2Linus being LinusOct 24 12:09
schestowitz_bed2At least he didn't call them interface Nazis like he called GNOME devsOct 24 12:09
MinceRgnome devs kind of are, thoughOct 24 12:12
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393324405704888320  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393328755026178048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393329260385288192Oct 24 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: This Huge Solar Thermal Plant Makes Electricity Even in the Dark http://t.co/Hv0kbYfzna #energyOct 24 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr-> gizmodo.com | This Huge Solar Thermal Plant Makes Electricity Even in the DarkOct 24 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Introducing Kwheezy 1.2 http://t.co/xdrdv8i6e5 #kde #kwheezy #gnu #linuxOct 24 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr-> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Oct 24 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Once upon a time John Carmack was viewed favourably in the #gnu #linux community http://t.co/25jaS4bPdo http://t.co/cztQpMd6ZUOct 24 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.extremetech.com | John Carmack thinks the Steam Machine’s biggest problem is Linux | ExtremeTechOct 24 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.pcgamesn.com | John Carmack on SteamOS “if it were some other random company I would be pseudo-scornful” | PCGamesNOct 24 12:12
MinceRapple HIG and general dumbing downOct 24 12:12
MinceRcarmack was bought and paid for by m$, i thinkOct 24 12:12
MinceRperhaps via suXBOX licensing dealsOct 24 12:12
schestowitz_bed2didn't he support FOSS?Oct 24 12:13
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393330605804756992 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393330794393260032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393331373257547776Oct 24 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Seven Things You Can Do in KDE http://t.co/4E9e56bBsf "If you don't know KDE, you don't know what the Linux desktop can do." #kdeOct 24 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.datamation.com | Seven Things You Can Do in KDE (But Not on Other Linux Desktops) - DatamationOct 24 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Linus Torvalds Smashes the Fedora Project, Calls Them Stupid http://t.co/ku3UODQ78E curses a lot, unlike RMSOct 24 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Q&A: Clement Lefebvre: The man behind Linux Mint  http://t.co/YnBMuNwSLv "Masters in Computer Sciences"Oct 24 12:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.networkworld.com | Q&A: Clement Lefebvre: The man behind Linux Mint - Network WorldOct 24 12:13
MinceRfor a while, he didOct 24 12:14
MinceRthen he went all winblows and directxOct 24 12:14
schestowitz_bed2yes, that was years agoOct 24 12:17
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3206456Oct 24 12:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Seven Things You Can Do in KDE http://www.datamation.com/open-source/seven-things-you-can-do-in-kde-but-not-on-other-linux-desktops-1.html "If you don't know KDE, you don't know what the Linux desktop can do." #kdeOct 24 12:18
schestowitz_bed2"I am using KDE both on Karmasutra (real time kernel distro for recording music) and Kubuntu - an I am happy with it!"Oct 24 12:18
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schestowitz_bed2http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/membersOct 24 12:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxfoundation.org | Members | The Linux Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/fxld9 ]Oct 24 12:30
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 24 12:30
schestowitz_bed2I hope this inspires Fedora to get involved with Hurd and other kernels.Oct 24 12:30
schestowitz_bed2This reliance on one kernel is a bit worrying.Oct 24 12:30
schestowitz_bed2LT wrote a kernel, not a complete OS, nor does he roll out distros - but he doesn't seem to give a shit about that side of things and their problems.Oct 24 12:30
schestowitz_bed2On the other hand he takes the money of the big corporations such as intel, ibm etc..Oct 24 12:30
schestowitz_bed2Yeh, he has a contract which says he can do what he wants..Oct 24 12:30
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 24 12:30
schestowitz_bed2http://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/capitalism-cares-for-profit-not-people.htmlOct 24 12:32
TechrightsBot-trsocialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.co.uk | SOCIALISM OR YOUR MONEY BACK: Capitalism Cares For Profit, Not People  [ http://ur1.ca/fxldk ]Oct 24 12:32
schestowitz_bed2MinceR: https://diasp.eu/uploads/images/scaled_full_ce505d6721637d4609bb.jpgOct 24 12:40
MinceR:)Oct 24 12:40
schestowitz_bed2http://24.media.tumblr.com/651d80a093e6a3ad28bd9b63ea245ada/tumblr_muv9lgCFOD1qzochco1_500.jpgOct 24 12:41
schestowitz_bed2That's like helping everyoneOct 24 12:41
schestowitz_bed2#retarded #monotheism #christiancultOct 24 12:41
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393338157229699072  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393338771330334720 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393339078244323328 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393339609012531200Oct 24 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Comments on Google Maps https://t.co/bEKETn268ROct 24 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: TPP: corporate takeover https://t.co/YKVLeUK0olOct 24 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Crazy" and "nuts" http://t.co/tDCUloc91mOct 24 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Merkel spying claim: with allies like these, who needs enemies?  http://t.co/tKhtCPEda2 #merkel #nsa #treasonOct 24 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Merkel spying claim: with allies like these, who needs enemies? | World news | theguardian.comOct 24 12:45
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393340180490645504Oct 24 12:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: UC Davis pepper-spraying cop gets $38K for disability claim http://t.co/6r9Lm1jxBS #policestate rewardedOct 24 12:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.news10.net | UC Davis pepper-spraying cop gets $38K for disability claim | news10.netOct 24 12:46
schestowitz_bed2 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393341287061278720  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393342215780843520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393342737522491392Oct 24 12:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Native Americans https://t.co/6fGHNzrwMOOct 24 12:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Canada's #police has become a sickening disgrace https://t.co/ARsZN5VSlG http://t.co/C2HoijE5YG http://t.co/kh1df4AAXUOct 24 12:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Digital Freedom in the Age of War on Dissent | TechrightsOct 24 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Risky Energy and the Crushing of Protests | TechrightsOct 24 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Merkel http://t.co/atWguUoItgOct 24 12:47
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3206441Oct 24 12:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Introducing Kwheezy 1.2 http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20131021#feature #kde #kwheezy #gnu #linuxOct 24 12:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.  [ http://ur1.ca/fxlgs ]Oct 24 12:52
schestowitz_bed2"I wonder how many users knI wonder how many users know that they can have more than one desktop on a distro and that one can run these desktop environments simultaneously in different virtual displays? Few, I fear. #consolephobia. "ow that they can have more than one desktop on a distro and that one can run these desktop environments simultaneously in different virtual displays? Few, I fear. #consolephobia.Oct 24 12:53
MinceRhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1380499_609725819074112_797086090_n.jpgOct 24 13:36
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iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/2013/10/digia-becomes-kde-patron/15179Oct 24 14:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Digia becomes KDE patron - Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/fxlws ]Oct 24 14:21
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schestowitz_bed2MinceR: that's nice of him, I admire his humbleness Oct 24 14:47
MinceR:>Oct 24 14:47
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393372899610226688  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393373434937614336Oct 24 14:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: John Carmack’s Name is Once Again Misused to Bash GNU/Linux http://t.co/G38MWh9Jkr #gnu #linuxOct 24 14:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | John Carmack’s Name is Once Again Misused to Bash GNU/Linux | TechrightsOct 24 14:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Digia becomes KDE patron http://t.co/Ne9EmfYGTi reaffirming a commitment. #kde #gnu #linuxOct 24 14:50
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393377753292345344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393390377119801344Oct 24 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Hackable (as in Freedom-Respecting) is Becoming Hip Again http://t.co/M1dBObb8nj #freedom #hardware #raspberrypi #arduinoOct 24 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Hackable (as in Freedom-Respecting) is Becoming Hip Again | TechrightsOct 24 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The World According to Forrester’s Clients: Bashing #Apache #OpenOffice and #LibreOffice  http://t.co/RmuMnRUYiU #fudOct 24 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The World According to Forrester’s Clients: Bashing Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice | TechrightsOct 24 15:56
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393391380774789120Oct 24 16:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "White House and State Department officials cooperated extensively on background with a New York Times journalist" http://t.co/IWgIs5PrVWOct 24 16:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> dailycaller.com | Emails: White House, State Department coordinated on leaks  | The Daily CallerOct 24 16:04
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393392721643458560Oct 24 16:10
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Who Buys the Spies? The Hidden Corporate Cash Behind America’s Out-of-Control National #Surveillance State  http://t.co/uY6EOE84sCOct 24 16:10
TechrightsBot-tr-> admin.alternet.org | Who Buys the Spies? The Hidden Corporate Cash Behind America’s Out-of-Control National Surveillance State | AlternetOct 24 16:10
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393393935772819456Oct 24 16:10
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Not just #icahn and #paulsinger "“They are legal tourist" http://t.co/JOxY7vF4i3 the biggest crimes are committed in suitsOct 24 16:10
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.independent.co.uk | Co-op members finding out the harsh reality of mutual banking - Business News - Business - The IndependentOct 24 16:10
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393397761774977024Oct 24 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Now #privacy dead in #eu http://t.co/YFdJyzgxbC http://t.co/ZlPgbxLwVX http://t.co/xt3PWSPiQ4 http://t.co/Xuyaf2vtGwOct 24 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.laquadrature.net | Major Loopholes in Privacy Regulation - EU Parliament Must Stand For Citizens | La Quadrature du NetOct 24 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.laquadrature.net | Reclaim Control Over Your Data! | La Quadrature du NetOct 24 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.laquadrature.net | The European Parliament Must Protect Our Right to Privacy | La Quadrature du NetOct 24 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.laquadrature.net | Data Protection Regulation: La Quadrature's Voting Recommendations to LIBE | La Quadrature du NetOct 24 16:26
schestowitz_bed2MinceR: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393400372200755201  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393399703817449472Oct 24 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Apple https://t.co/TD8klkP98V #brainwash #indoctrination #hypnosis #propaganda #appleOct 24 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.youtube.com | Incredible - YouTubeOct 24 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Meliorism https://t.co/c7rOqsnghMOct 24 16:37
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393392721643458560Oct 24 16:40
schestowitz_bed2http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/researchers-tout-electricity-storage-technology-could-recharge-devices-minutesOct 24 16:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.networkworld.com | Researchers tout electricity storage technology that could recharge devices in minutes  [ http://ur1.ca/fxmj7 ]Oct 24 16:42
schestowitz_bed2 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393401827947208705  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393402577834221568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393403268237623296Oct 24 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Google's uProxy could help fight Internet censorship  http://t.co/QlBVvOJn5j #censorship #uproxy #googleOct 24 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.gizmag.com | Google's uProxy could help fight Internet censorshipOct 24 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Linuxsphere - Benevolent Dictators Need Not Apply  http://t.co/vBDvSxK2wo #gnu #linux #gnomeOct 24 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxlock.blogspot.co.uk | The Blog of Helios: The Linuxsphere - Benevolent Dictators Need Not ApplyOct 24 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Expanding the battlefield for Free & Open Source Software http://t.co/FeInr5hKg8 "increasingly obvious: FOSS has come of age"Oct 24 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> standardsandfreedom.net | Expanding the battlefield for Free & Open Source SoftwareOct 24 16:47
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393404003155193856  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393404181446688768Oct 24 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Linux Foundation To Support The Development Of #KVM #Hypervisor http://t.co/4rqu2KiUu5  "Open Virtualization Alliance (OVA)"Oct 24 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techweekeurope.co.uk | Linux Foundation To Support The Development Of KVM HypervisorOct 24 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 10 Best Quotes from Linus Torvalds' Keynote at LinuxCon Europe  http://t.co/nGla4sSA85 #eu #linux #uk #gplOct 24 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linux.com | 10 Best Quotes from Linus Torvalds' Keynote at LinuxCon Europe | Linux.comOct 24 16:51
schestowitz_bed2> Hi Roy,Oct 24 16:55
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 24 16:55
schestowitz_bed2> The discussion point is liveOct 24 16:55
schestowitz_bed2> <http://www.cmswire.com/cms/customer-experience/discussion-point-encrypted-media-extensions-in-the-html-standard-022920.php>.Oct 24 16:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.cmswire.com | Discussion Point: Encrypted Media Extensions in the HTML Standard  [ http://ur1.ca/fxmlv ]Oct 24 16:55
schestowitz_bed2> Thanks for the contribution.Oct 24 16:55
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 24 16:55
schestowitz_bed2> cheers,Oct 24 16:55
schestowitz_bed2> SiobhanOct 24 16:55
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schestowitz_bed2I'm in page 2Oct 24 17:00
schestowitz_bed2I also liked the first opinion. She knows what she's talking about :-)Oct 24 17:00
SosumixboneOct 24 17:04
Sosumicall of duty ghosts to be 1080p on ps4, 720p xboneOct 24 17:04
iophkschestowitz_bed2: good answer.  Oct 24 17:10
iophkindexing gets taken for granted these daysOct 24 17:12
iophkI suppose there is a chance that Google could now survive without it, but it is not a small thing.Oct 24 17:13
schestowitz_bed2Google tried to index flashOct 24 17:16
schestowitz_bed2but that's a binary trapOct 24 17:16
schestowitz_bed2Google and Adobe now collaborare on Flash for LinuxOct 24 17:16
schestowitz_bed2Google can't do the same for DRMOct 24 17:16
iophksemantically Flash was noiseOct 24 17:16
iophknothing to indexOct 24 17:16
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393410444645646336Oct 24 17:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: CMSWire Article About DRM in HTML5  http://t.co/KPNgX15I8D #drm #w3c #hollyweb #monopoly #copyright cc @timberners_leeOct 24 17:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | CMSWire Article About DRM in HTML5 | TechrightsOct 24 17:16
iophkDRM won't be indexable either unless there are special backdoors for Google Oct 24 17:17
schestowitz_bed2Indexing ActiveScript :-)Oct 24 17:17
schestowitz_bed2Search for "puppy moves up, makes click'Oct 24 17:17
iophkNow one of the barriers to proper indexing has been the resurgence of gratuitous javascriptOct 24 17:25
iophkMuch of it serves no good purpose and many effects can be more conveniently done in CSS3Oct 24 17:26
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iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/24/us-google-finland-idUSBRE99N0NH20131024Oct 24 17:45
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | Google to step up investment in Finnish data center, sources say | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/fxmv3 ]Oct 24 17:45
iophk"OSX - free as in mousetrap cheese."Oct 24 17:57
AdrianGlolOct 24 17:58
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MinceRthe crApple tax isn't going down, is it? :>Oct 24 18:00
lirodonMinceR: for upgrades, its $0 nowOct 24 18:00
iophkI read the new version borks sRGBOct 24 18:01
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SosumicrAppleOct 24 18:27
Sosumiat least thundercat is turning into the new firewireOct 24 18:28
Sosumior was it thunderbolt? :pOct 24 18:28
iophkAnother DMA hole?Oct 24 18:28
Sosumino support outside of the mac itself and a very few laptopsOct 24 18:28
SosumiI think only the new asus rog model supports the thingOct 24 18:29
Sosumion PCs, nopOct 24 18:29
MinceRthundercats?Oct 24 18:29
SosumiI was trolling when I said thundercatOct 24 18:30
Sosumiit's thunderboltOct 24 18:30
MinceR:)Oct 24 18:30
Sosumithunderbolt is crap outside of the laptopOct 24 18:30
Sosumiand has no place on the desktopOct 24 18:30
Sosumiplus, it's overpriced as hell and with minimum supportOct 24 18:31
iophkThe PPC stuff was reasonably good, but those days are over.Oct 24 18:31
iophkIt's no different than any other MBA infested company.Oct 24 18:32
Sosumiyep they wereOct 24 18:32
iophkEven the keyboards were much better.Oct 24 18:32
Sosumibut it was also IBM's fault for killing the powerstationOct 24 18:32
Sosumiat least we, who liked ppc, would have had a choice other than intelOct 24 18:33
iophkARM is making some inroads Oct 24 18:33
iophkMIPS is around in embedded devices some.Oct 24 18:34
iophkAFAIK some Chromebooks are running ARMOct 24 18:34
iophkThey can be upgrade to regular GNU/LinuxOct 24 18:34
Sosumihum mips...Oct 24 18:34
Sosumiis sgi still making octanes? :)Oct 24 18:34
iophkNo, the new ones are apparently Intel Xeon. :(Oct 24 18:35
SosumiyeahOct 24 18:35
Sosumiand oracle didn't revive the sparcstation eitherOct 24 18:36
iophkRMS runs a MIPS-like system. Oct 24 18:36
iophkThere was supposed to be a second generation of  that but I haven't heard anything.Oct 24 18:36
iophkMaybe the 2nd gen was not Free software like the first gen wasOct 24 18:36
SosumiI've heard that rms has a lemote laptopOct 24 18:37
iophkYes it has been a YeeloongOct 24 18:37
Sosumibut outside of that I don't know what else he gotOct 24 18:37
iophkhttp://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/Oct 24 18:37
TechrightsBot-trrichard.stallman.usesthis.com | The Setup / Richard StallmanOct 24 18:37
iophkbut that page is 3 years oldOct 24 18:37
SosumiI don't believe that all he uses is a laptopOct 24 18:38
iophkHe can be rather principled.Oct 24 18:39
iophkI used one like it for 3 or 4 months back when it was new. Oct 24 18:39
iophkIt's ok depending on what you are doing.Oct 24 18:39
iophkHe mainly runs emacs and other text-based toolsOct 24 18:39
iophkI think he may not even run XOct 24 18:39
Sosumiyep, well I still carry sometimes a compaq armada from 98Oct 24 18:39
Sosumiand it still does the trickOct 24 18:40
iophkgNewSense runs ok on the Yeeloong.Oct 24 18:40
Sosumibut real work is done on a workstationOct 24 18:40
iophkbut so does OpenBSDOct 24 18:40
iophkNot all the packages are ported to it thoughOct 24 18:40
Sosumialso, I've never seen lemote on sale here in europeOct 24 18:41
iophkThe 8.9" unit has a good form factor.Oct 24 18:42
Sosumieven through internet channelsOct 24 18:42
iophkThere were two EU suppliersOct 24 18:42
iophkone was KD85.com and the other was Tekmote.Oct 24 18:42
iophkThe former has sold out its stockOct 24 18:42
iophkhttp://kd85.com/lemote.htmlOct 24 18:43
TechrightsBot-trkd85.com | Lemote hardwareOct 24 18:43
iophkThe 10" would have been better size, but I think 14" might be optimal for a highly portable netbook.Oct 24 18:44
Sosuminone are in stock anymoreOct 24 18:46
iophkSold out.Oct 24 18:48
iophkThere were a few recently but I think PRISM made quick work of the remaining stock.Oct 24 18:49
Sosumi:)Oct 24 18:49
iophkhttp://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/nl_NL/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Categories/%22Lemote%20linux%20PC%20and%20Linux%20laptops%22Oct 24 18:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.tekmote.nl | Lemote linux PC and Linux laptops - Tekmote Electronics  [ http://ur1.ca/fxn7l ]Oct 24 18:54
iophkIIRC the 3A is not all-FreeOct 24 18:54
iophkthere was some issue with blobs and driversOct 24 18:55
iophkthat's probably where a lot of back-door activity takes place.Oct 24 18:55
iophkdrivers run inside the kernel and have access to everythingOct 24 18:55
iophkTekmote seems to still have the 8089D in stockOct 24 18:56
Sosumithe 3A doesn't seem badOct 24 18:57
Sosumiand only 840€Oct 24 18:58
Sosumii mean, 540€Oct 24 18:58
iophk13" screen is not bad, that's close to 14"Oct 24 18:59
Sosumiyep and has ethernetOct 24 19:00
Sosumiwhich for me it's a plusOct 24 19:00
Sosumisince I don't use wifiOct 24 19:00
iophkyes but it's not gigabit ethernet AFAIKOct 24 19:00
Sosumino that model is 10, 100, 1000Oct 24 19:04
iophksweetOct 24 19:08
iophkthere is a big difference if many LAN devices are using gigabit connections.Oct 24 19:08
iophkI wonder how to find out about the blog problem.Oct 24 19:08
iophk*blobOct 24 19:10
iophkthough blogs are a problem too ;)Oct 24 19:10
SosumiyeahOct 24 19:12
iophkI guess Pegasos is gone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PegasosOct 24 19:20
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Pegasos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOct 24 19:20
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-24/another-naval-base-shooting-incidentOct 24 19:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Another Naval Base Shooting Incident | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fxncs ]Oct 24 19:21
Sosumiit seems soOct 24 19:21
Sosumiat least when it comes to high endOct 24 19:22
Sosumiif they ever had oneOct 24 19:23
iophkIt was good hardware and no way could ever run WindowsOct 24 19:23
Sosumihttp://www.genesi-tech.com/productsOct 24 19:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.genesi-tech.com | Genesi - ProductsOct 24 19:23
Sosumiit's all g3,g4 Oct 24 19:24
Sosumiand freescale stuffOct 24 19:24
Sosumialthough no g5Oct 24 19:24
iophk"The Products shown below are no longer produced."Oct 24 19:25
Sosumiyeah, guess soOct 24 19:25
SosumideadOct 24 19:25
iophkIt's like there is a conspiracy to not buy, sell or talk about non-Wintel devicesOct 24 19:25
iophkAndroid on ARM is probably allowed because it doesn't use the L-word in marketing and most vendors pay M$ the big money for extortion.Oct 24 19:26
Sosumithe m$ android taxOct 24 19:27
SosumihilariousOct 24 19:27
AdrianGso apparently brazil is building their own internetOct 24 19:28
Sosumithey better lay down a cable instead of having their traffic go through the USAOct 24 19:29
AdrianGthey areOct 24 19:29
AdrianGhttp://www.newsday.com/business/press-releases/sunesys-to-provide-fiber-backhaul-infrastructure-to-seaborn-networks-for-brazil-us-submarine-cable-project-1.6302665Oct 24 19:29
Sosumigood themOct 24 19:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.newsday.com | Sunesys to Provide Fiber Backhaul Infrastructure to Seaborn Networks for Brazil-US Submarine Cable Project  [ http://ur1.ca/fxnel ]Oct 24 19:29
AdrianGthats supposedly the first branchOct 24 19:29
AdrianGidk if they'll manage to lay one to south africaOct 24 19:30
iophkThat only goes to NYOct 24 19:30
AdrianGbut its a branch of the proposed network they wanted to buildOct 24 19:30
iophkIf they were trying to get free, they'd have to go to the trouble of reaching Europe.Oct 24 19:30
iophkThat's a lot of ocean to cover.Oct 24 19:31
AdrianGhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_South_Africa#Proposed_cable_systemsOct 24 19:31
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Internet in South Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fxnes ]Oct 24 19:31
iophkAfrica as a continent is not known for good connectivity.Oct 24 19:31
AdrianGBRICS Cable: A proposed 34,000 km-long, 12.8 Tbit/s capacity, fibre optic cable system that would link Russia, China, India, South Africa, Brazil (the BRICS economies), and the United States as well as interconnecting regional and other continental cable systems in Asia, Africa, and South America for improved global coverage. Target date for completion is mid to late 2015.Oct 24 19:31
iophkThere's no point running a cable there yet.Oct 24 19:31
AdrianGSAex is already under wayOct 24 19:31
AdrianGand from south africa it becomes easierOct 24 19:32
AdrianGthat actually would be niceOct 24 19:32
AdrianGthe more decentralized the internet is, the betterOct 24 19:32
AdrianGhttp://www.bricscable.com/network/Oct 24 19:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.bricscable.com | BRICS CableOct 24 19:33
AdrianGnice it has a websiteOct 24 19:33
AdrianGBRICS Cable. a 34 000 km, 2 fibre pair, 12.8 Tbit/s capacity, fibre optic cable systemOct 24 19:33
AdrianGi hope they lay down like a 100 fibers at least, more moreOct 24 19:34
AdrianGor more*(Oct 24 19:34
iophkYes.  It would have been really bold to go west to China or Australia.Oct 24 19:34
AdrianGso looks like it may happen. very nice.Oct 24 19:34
AdrianGi thought it was just empty talkOct 24 19:35
AdrianGfunny how if top politicians personal rights are threatened suddenly things change instantlyOct 24 19:35
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Sosumihttp://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple-drops-science-as-core-market-web-page-deletedOct 24 20:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.macobserver.com | Apple Drops Science as Core Market, Web Page Deleted - The Mac Observer  [ http://ur1.ca/fxnip ]Oct 24 20:01
SosuminostalgiaOct 24 20:01
MinceRcults never got on well with science anyway, have they?Oct 24 20:04
Sosumi:)Oct 24 20:04
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AdrianGappple does make nice productsOct 24 20:05
MinceRlike what?Oct 24 20:05
Sosumi*didOct 24 20:05
AdrianGmacbooksOct 24 20:05
SosumipfffffffffffOct 24 20:06
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SosumilolOct 24 20:06
MinceRi thought you said "nice" productsOct 24 20:06
AdrianGthey are well made.Oct 24 20:06
Sosumiyou mean grillbooks?Oct 24 20:06
MinceRsure, they bought CUPS, but they only made it worseOct 24 20:06
AdrianGand have the best keyboardsOct 24 20:06
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AdrianGor second besto after lenovo, altho id say about as goodOct 24 20:06
Sosumiasus kb on the G series is awesome tooOct 24 20:06
Sosumiand full kbOct 24 20:06
MinceReven lenovo isn't as good as keyboards with Cherry MX/ML keymodulesOct 24 20:06
AdrianGMinceR: do u have a single laptop with cherry mx?Oct 24 20:07
MinceRnopeOct 24 20:07
MinceRunfortunately, nobody makes laptops with them, afaikOct 24 20:07
MinceRalso, i'd say eeepcs have pretty good keyboards (except for the layout)Oct 24 20:07
AdrianGSosumi: asus g is not even closeOct 24 20:07
AdrianGkeys arent even shaped.Oct 24 20:07
AdrianGjust flat.Oct 24 20:08
AdrianGyou know why?Oct 24 20:08
MinceR(though they've recently added a second Fn near the cursor keys, that's probably much better)Oct 24 20:08
AdrianGapple patents everything.Oct 24 20:08
MinceRflat keys aren't that goodOct 24 20:08
AdrianGthe magnetic chargerOct 24 20:08
AdrianGwhy doesnt everyone have it?Oct 24 20:08
MinceRthe magnetic charger that's a fire hazardOct 24 20:08
MinceRyeah, i wonder whyOct 24 20:08
AdrianGthere is a patent on it, that apple wont license to anyone.Oct 24 20:08
MinceRperhaps because it's 1) badly made, 2) a gimmick, 3) unnecessaryOct 24 20:08
AdrianGnope, its a patent.Oct 24 20:08
MinceRooh, a patentOct 24 20:09
AdrianGif it werent - it'd be everywhere.Oct 24 20:09
MinceRall bow down before the almighty patentOct 24 20:09
MinceRyawn.Oct 24 20:09
AdrianGlol fire hazard. cmon.Oct 24 20:09
AdrianGpeople like them.Oct 24 20:09
AdrianGand same with apple keyboards. they are also very nice.Oct 24 20:09
AdrianG(laptop keyboards)Oct 24 20:09
AdrianGdont exist anywhere else because of patents.Oct 24 20:09
AdrianGlenovo's keys/keyboards are also under a shitload of patents.Oct 24 20:10
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagSafe#Criticisms_and_defectsOct 24 20:10
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | MagSafe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fxnjw ]Oct 24 20:10
AdrianGwho else holds as many patents as apple?Oct 24 20:10
MinceRlike i said, a gimmick and a fire hazardOct 24 20:10
MinceRibm?Oct 24 20:10
MinceRoh wait, they hold a lot moreOct 24 20:10
MinceRnot that the number of patents mattersOct 24 20:10
AdrianGibm doesnt even make consumer computers anymore.Oct 24 20:10
MinceRmake a point alreadyOct 24 20:10
AdrianGso that leaves apple as the sole innovatorOct 24 20:11
MinceRand yes, people like turds with a crApple logo over themOct 24 20:11
AdrianGfor the recordOct 24 20:11
MinceRpeople are stupid. deal with it.Oct 24 20:11
AdrianGi dont own a single apple productOct 24 20:11
MinceRcool story broOct 24 20:11
AdrianGbut i recognize why they are so competitive.Oct 24 20:11
MinceRthe word you're looking for is _anti-competitive_Oct 24 20:11
AdrianGMinceR: people arent stupid. they just want stuff that worksOct 24 20:11
AdrianGinstead of learning 10 huge tomes on how to operate itOct 24 20:11
MinceRthey have no idea how to get it, thoughOct 24 20:11
AdrianGthey just want it to just work and get on with their lifeOct 24 20:11
AdrianGinstead of learning useless knowledgeOct 24 20:12
MinceRif crApple was that good, they didn't need to rely on lawsuits and marketing gimmicks to sell their crapOct 24 20:12
MinceRs/did/would/Oct 24 20:12
MinceRand generate profitOct 24 20:12
AdrianGMinceR: lolOct 24 20:12
AdrianGdo you really believe that?Oct 24 20:12
MinceRooh, the ultimate troll argumentOct 24 20:12
MinceR"lol"Oct 24 20:12
AdrianGeveryone sues for patents.Oct 24 20:12
AdrianGeveryone.Oct 24 20:12
AdrianGto think that patents are worthless - that is indeed stupid.Oct 24 20:13
MinceRnot everyone attacks everybody aroundOct 24 20:13
AdrianGthey exist, and the legal regime favors patents.Oct 24 20:13
AdrianGnot to patent your invention - is the biggest stupidity anyone would commit.Oct 24 20:13
MinceRnot everyone makes a big drama about everyone stealing their ideas (which is, of course, a lie)Oct 24 20:13
MinceRAdrianG: do you also believe that apple invented the rounded rectangle?Oct 24 20:13
AdrianGif patents would be abolished globallyOct 24 20:13
AdrianGthen yesOct 24 20:13
AdrianGit wouldnt make sense to patent anything.Oct 24 20:13
AdrianGMinceR: lol i am not saying everything apple patents is some kind of grandiose amazing inventionOct 24 20:14
AdrianGbut they do have good ideas.Oct 24 20:14
MinceRpatenting things and offensively suing people for patents is two different thingsOct 24 20:14
MinceRno, they tend to have bad ideasOct 24 20:14
AdrianGlook, they've made unix desktop mainstreamOct 24 20:14
MinceRno, they didn'tOct 24 20:14
AdrianGlinux has been trying and failing for how long?Oct 24 20:14
AdrianGMinceR: osx is a unix, deal with itOct 24 20:14
MinceRthey remade their idiot desktop with a unix base they didn't even madeOct 24 20:14
AdrianGstillOct 24 20:14
MinceRAdrianG: osx shits on every principle of unix, deal with itOct 24 20:14
AdrianGits a unix based os that has a huge marketOct 24 20:14
AdrianGlinux doesnt.Oct 24 20:14
MinceRi don't care for the size of your cult.Oct 24 20:14
AdrianGandroid - again, same storyOct 24 20:15
AdrianGMinceR: whats worseOct 24 20:15
AdrianGosx or androidOct 24 20:15
MinceRAdrianG: osx still can't maximize windows properlyOct 24 20:15
MinceRAdrianG: osx still can't implement virtual desktops properlyOct 24 20:15
MinceRAdrianG: osx still can't implement mouse focus properlyOct 24 20:15
AdrianGMinceR: you should try running a business with your attitudeOct 24 20:16
AdrianGproper - is what sells.Oct 24 20:16
MinceRi'll run a business when i'll have a business case i can rely onOct 24 20:16
AdrianGosx - sells. x-window - doesntOct 24 20:16
MinceRnot before thatOct 24 20:16
MinceRAdrianG: i'm an engineer, i care about what works, not what sellsOct 24 20:16
MinceRAdrianG: and not what people like you worshipOct 24 20:16
AdrianGwhat is - people like you?Oct 24 20:17
MinceRapple cultistsOct 24 20:17
AdrianGim not in the apple cult. i dont even buy their products on principleOct 24 20:17
MinceRpeople who are dumbstruck by shiny nonfunctional crapOct 24 20:17
AdrianGthey are too locked-down.Oct 24 20:17
AdrianGbut i wont dissmis them out of hand as "stupid" or making something that doesnt wprok "properly"Oct 24 20:17
AdrianGit works just fine.Oct 24 20:17
MinceRno it does not.Oct 24 20:17
MinceRi've used their stuff on several occasionsOct 24 20:17
MinceRit was a dismal failure every timeOct 24 20:17
AdrianGwhat kind of engineering do you doOct 24 20:17
MinceRsoftware engineeringOct 24 20:17
AdrianGdo you even have a professional engineer license?Oct 24 20:18
MinceRi don't need oneOct 24 20:18
AdrianGyou are not legally an engineer then.Oct 24 20:18
MinceRi have a master's degreeOct 24 20:18
AdrianGengineering is a licensed profession, like medicine or law.Oct 24 20:18
MinceRdepends on which field of engineeringOct 24 20:18
AdrianGi also do software engineering.Oct 24 20:18
AdrianGjust so that you know.Oct 24 20:18
MinceRthough i guess it would do good to license itOct 24 20:18
AdrianGand yes, tons of engineers (software or otherwise) use macsOct 24 20:18
MinceRmaybe then fiascos like microsoft and apple couldn't get off the groundOct 24 20:18
AdrianGare they all stupid?Oct 24 20:18
MinceRand we'd have working systemsOct 24 20:18
MinceRAdrianG: yesOct 24 20:18
AdrianGlol okOct 24 20:19
MinceRif they use apple products by their own choice, they're stupidOct 24 20:19
AdrianGi was shopping for a laptop recently btwOct 24 20:19
AdrianGbought a samsung series 9 15 inchOct 24 20:19
MinceRafter how many hours spent drooling over a macbook?Oct 24 20:19
AdrianGand ive compared probably dozens of themOct 24 20:19
AdrianGits very hard to compete with apple Oct 24 20:20
MinceRand btw, i'd choose android over osx any dayOct 24 20:20
AdrianGexcept on price ofc.Oct 24 20:20
AdrianGthey are way way overpriced.Oct 24 20:20
MinceRand then root it, and put gnu and x on it.Oct 24 20:20
AdrianGbut, if you disregard the price, they are the best machines.Oct 24 20:20
MinceRno they're notOct 24 20:20
AdrianGwho cares about osxOct 24 20:20
MinceRthey're full of design flawsOct 24 20:20
AdrianGu can run windows on it, liuxOct 24 20:20
AdrianGbsdOct 24 20:20
AdrianGwhateverOct 24 20:20
AdrianGor even android lolOct 24 20:20
MinceRthey're inflexibleOct 24 20:20
AdrianGinflexible?Oct 24 20:20
MinceRthey're limitedOct 24 20:20
AdrianGwatOct 24 20:20
MinceRno configuration optionsOct 24 20:20
MinceRhardware or softwareOct 24 20:20
AdrianGmost laptops are this way in case you havent realizedOct 24 20:21
MinceRnot reallyOct 24 20:21
AdrianGwhat are you going to upgrade?Oct 24 20:21
AdrianGcpu?Oct 24 20:21
AdrianGram?Oct 24 20:21
MinceRi've upgraded ram in a laptopOct 24 20:21
AdrianGso have iOct 24 20:21
MinceRone of my laptops has an open hdd bayOct 24 20:21
MinceRbut the main point was that i have choice of modelsOct 24 20:22
AdrianGwhats the longest you've used a macbook forOct 24 20:23
AdrianGim curiousOct 24 20:23
MinceR0 secondsOct 24 20:23
MinceRi thinkOct 24 20:24
AdrianGyet you know all about itOct 24 20:24
AdrianGwhere did you learn your psychic powers lolOct 24 20:24
MinceRyes, there's this thing we call the internetOct 24 20:24
MinceRi've also used one of their desktop modelsOct 24 20:24
MinceRit was crapOct 24 20:24
MinceRi've also seen a colleague struggle with the unusable gui while trying to make a keynote presentationOct 24 20:24
AdrianGlike those colored tv-tube macs?Oct 24 20:24
MinceRit was embarrassingOct 24 20:24
MinceRno, a relatively recent oneOct 24 20:25
AdrianGidk about their desktops, never used themOct 24 20:25
MinceR(oh, and that presentation was on an apple laptop)Oct 24 20:25
AdrianGexcept for old tv-tube macsOct 24 20:25
MinceRboth run osxOct 24 20:25
AdrianGthey were royal shit btwOct 24 20:25
MinceRwhich is supposed to be the selling pointOct 24 20:25
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AdrianGslow and everything. but those are old computers so who caresOct 24 20:25
MinceRthe supposedly user friendly guiOct 24 20:25
MinceRwhich can't manage windows properlyOct 24 20:25
AdrianGit is very user friendlyOct 24 20:25
MinceRand can't be configured properlyOct 24 20:25
MinceRand where the browser hides the scroll bars and they give you a mouse without a working scroll wheelOct 24 20:26
AdrianGmagic mouse?Oct 24 20:26
MinceRmaybeOct 24 20:26
AdrianGit has scrolling.Oct 24 20:26
AdrianGyou should try using apple's touchpad on a macOct 24 20:26
MinceRsure, there must be some way of activating itOct 24 20:26
AdrianGits the best implementation of a touchpad ive ever seen.Oct 24 20:26
MinceRi had no time to play with itOct 24 20:26
MinceRand their presentation application doesn't zoom the slide to the screenOct 24 20:27
MinceRwhile presentingOct 24 20:27
MinceRso you get a tiny little turd in the middle of a screenOct 24 20:27
AdrianGpresentation application is not part of the osOct 24 20:27
MinceRit's a crApple product, thoughOct 24 20:27
AdrianGso they have a crappy presentation app (maybe? i never used it or seen it)Oct 24 20:27
AdrianGwho caresOct 24 20:27
MinceRi guess it would be fine if they toned down the faceOct 24 20:27
AdrianGthe os is good.Oct 24 20:27
AdrianGexcept for being locked down etc.Oct 24 20:27
MinceRstopped claiming everyone steals their ideas (which is a lie)Oct 24 20:28
AdrianGgo try using their trackpadOct 24 20:28
AdrianGits the best thing ever.Oct 24 20:28
MinceRand their idiot cultists shut their fucking mouths alreadyOct 24 20:28
MinceRoh, and they should stop suing everyoneOct 24 20:28
MinceRtry to make a decent product for a change, try to compete that wayOct 24 20:28
MinceRmaybe it won't workOct 24 20:28
MinceRbut at least it wouldn't be so damn disgusting.Oct 24 20:28
AdrianGlolOct 24 20:29
AdrianGtry to compete?Oct 24 20:29
SosumiI just bought a soldering station so I can upgrade my cpu on the trashcan proOct 24 20:29
MinceRhell, they could take freebsd, put a macos skin on it and sell it as "macos xi"Oct 24 20:29
AdrianGppl are buying up their stuff fast.Oct 24 20:29
MinceRit would be their best os everOct 24 20:29
MinceRyeah, people who are only going for the logoOct 24 20:29
AdrianGhow do you think they became so bigOct 24 20:29
MinceRjust like m$ could take freebsd, put a windows skin on it, call it "windows 9" and it would be their best os everOct 24 20:29
MinceRthey both like to steal stuff from *bsd already anywayOct 24 20:29
MinceRmight as well be honest about itOct 24 20:29
MinceRAdrianG: jobs knew how to exploit idiotsOct 24 20:29
MinceRand m$ knew how to exploit stupid ibmOct 24 20:30
AdrianGnah, he just gave people what they wanted.Oct 24 20:30
MinceRthat's how they got bigOct 24 20:30
AdrianGnow, apple will dieOct 24 20:30
MinceRi hope soOct 24 20:30
AdrianGbecause nobody cares about what the end consumer wants exactlyOct 24 20:30
AdrianGthey are going to do what you think is the right thing to doOct 24 20:30
MinceRthis industry could use more actual competition and less bluster and lawsuitsOct 24 20:30
AdrianGdecide in your mind whats best, and try to sell itOct 24 20:30
AdrianGit fails every time.Oct 24 20:30
MinceRalso, let engineers design productsOct 24 20:31
AdrianGthe best way to tank a product i thinkOct 24 20:31
AdrianGis to let engineers define everythingOct 24 20:31
MinceRi can see how that tanked the ibm pcOct 24 20:31
MinceRor unixOct 24 20:31
AdrianGit did tank itOct 24 20:31
MinceRwhen?Oct 24 20:31
AdrianGibm got ouf ot the pc business long time goOct 24 20:31
AdrianGin case u forgot.Oct 24 20:31
MinceRand the architecture was a massive successOct 24 20:32
MinceRin case you forgotOct 24 20:32
AdrianGarchitecture is not a product.Oct 24 20:32
AdrianGyou dont buy an architecture.Oct 24 20:32
AdrianGyou buy a pc.Oct 24 20:32
MinceRwhich is an architectureOct 24 20:32
MinceRoh snapOct 24 20:32
AdrianGno, pc is a product.Oct 24 20:32
MinceRalso, it didn't tankOct 24 20:32
AdrianGits not an architecture, and nobody gives two shits about the arch anywayOct 24 20:32
AdrianGlook at the androidOct 24 20:32
MinceRthey kept going for a long timeOct 24 20:32
AdrianGits not even x86.Oct 24 20:32
MinceRso?Oct 24 20:33
AdrianGdoing so horribly bad.Oct 24 20:33
AdrianGarch is irrelevant.Oct 24 20:33
MinceRnot when you're building hardware.Oct 24 20:33
AdrianGwhats important, is the end product, and how well it responds to consumers demandsOct 24 20:33
AdrianGif the arch is not supporting that - the product will fail.Oct 24 20:33
AdrianGand so would ibm pc, if not for billy gatesOct 24 20:33
MinceRalso, android, and linux in it, is beating ios (not the cisco one)Oct 24 20:33
MinceRno, it was not up to gatesOct 24 20:33
MinceRwe did not need gates for cp/mOct 24 20:33
MinceRwe did not need gates for unix eitherOct 24 20:34
AdrianGonly nobody gives a fuck for cp/m ond esktopOct 24 20:34
MinceRand he obviously didn't design the pcOct 24 20:34
AdrianGor unix on desktop either, unless its osxOct 24 20:34
MinceRexcept everybody cared when it was called "dos"Oct 24 20:34
AdrianGibm pc was a success because of ms officeOct 24 20:34
MinceRcitation needed.Oct 24 20:34
AdrianGwhich would run just fine on any other archOct 24 20:34
MinceRno it could notOct 24 20:34
AdrianGofc it couldntOct 24 20:34
MinceRmost of m$'s crap is heavily tied to one architectureOct 24 20:35
AdrianGthats why it ran on macs this whole time.Oct 24 20:35
MinceR"macs" are just pcs.Oct 24 20:35
AdrianGor recently ported to armOct 24 20:35
AdrianGMinceR: wat?Oct 24 20:35
MinceRisn't "ms office" on arm just a web application?Oct 24 20:35
AdrianGapple moved to x86 only recentlyOct 24 20:35
MinceRnot so recentlyOct 24 20:35
AdrianGoffice 365 is a new bs from msftOct 24 20:35
AdrianGthey had a binary app for macs for the longest timeOct 24 20:35
AdrianGif not foreverOct 24 20:36
MinceRthey ported it to macosOct 24 20:36
MinceRthat did not make it architecture-independentOct 24 20:36
AdrianG Microsoft Word 97 and Excel 97 however did ship for the DEC Alpha platform. Oct 24 20:36
AdrianGdec alpha, mac osOct 24 20:36
AdrianGosxOct 24 20:36
AdrianGetcOct 24 20:36
AdrianGcouldnt run on a different arch. ofc.Oct 24 20:36
AdrianGarch is irrelevant.Oct 24 20:36
MinceRno it isn'tOct 24 20:37
AdrianGoh yeahOct 24 20:37
AdrianGx86 is also a shit arch.Oct 24 20:37
MinceRwhen an add-on card needs to work with a computer, architecture is very relevantOct 24 20:37
AdrianGand we still use it.Oct 24 20:37
MinceRof course it isOct 24 20:37
AdrianGbecause of pc/windows/officeOct 24 20:37
AdrianGnot because x86 is so greatOct 24 20:37
AdrianGits a shitty arch.Oct 24 20:37
MinceRbut at the same time, it was (afaik) the first architecture that was so open and flexibleOct 24 20:37
AdrianGits just that intel has an enormous technology leadOct 24 20:37
MinceRat least in a price range that was widely availableOct 24 20:37
MinceRaccessibleOct 24 20:37
AdrianGand wintel monopoly has no real competitionOct 24 20:37
MinceRothers could make "clones" of itOct 24 20:38
AdrianG(on desktop)Oct 24 20:38
AdrianGMinceR: so wat?Oct 24 20:38
AdrianGu could clone other archs tooOct 24 20:38
MinceRand be sued to deathOct 24 20:38
AdrianGwtf does it mean, clone an arch?Oct 24 20:38
AdrianGput an intel cpu on another mobo?Oct 24 20:38
MinceRwhat made pc-s successfulOct 24 20:38
AdrianGmsft made them successfulOct 24 20:38
AdrianGnot x86Oct 24 20:38
MinceRothers were allowed to manufacture and sell their ownOct 24 20:38
AdrianGif anything x86 was a bad garbage they had to deal withOct 24 20:39
MinceRand msft wasn't?Oct 24 20:39
AdrianGhopefully it dies soonOct 24 20:39
MinceRand msft wasn't?Oct 24 20:39
AdrianGhave u actually coded asm?Oct 24 20:39
MinceRi haveOct 24 20:39
AdrianGfor x86 vs say solaris riscOct 24 20:39
MinceRx86 real modeOct 24 20:39
AdrianGits shit.Oct 24 20:39
AdrianGthe only reason we use it is because its widespread, like qwertyOct 24 20:39
AdrianGand because of wintelOct 24 20:39
MinceRrisc isn't meant to hand-code asm for, thoughOct 24 20:39
MinceRand an architecture is a lot more than just an ISAOct 24 20:40
AdrianGnothing is meant to hand-code asm anymoreOct 24 20:40
MinceR(instruction set architecture)Oct 24 20:40
AdrianGits pointless to even try these days with multicoresOct 24 20:40
MinceRCISC was originally designed for itOct 24 20:40
AdrianGbut the fact that instruction set in x86 is crapOct 24 20:40
MinceRand modern x86 has CISC over RISCOct 24 20:40
AdrianGthe isa, arch, and even OS itselfOct 24 20:41
AdrianGis becoming slowly less and less relevantOct 24 20:41
MinceRyes, it isOct 24 20:41
MinceRbut i think computing would be vastly inferior if it weren't for the pc clonesOct 24 20:41
AdrianGnah, we'd just use some other standardOct 24 20:41
MinceRwell, i guess the same thing would have happened eventually anywayOct 24 20:42
AdrianGits the standard that got as so far anywayOct 24 20:42
MinceRthat's the answer for most of these thingsOct 24 20:42
AdrianGwhich is the problem with open source, nobody can agree on shitOct 24 20:42
MinceRnobody really needs toOct 24 20:42
AdrianGthats why in the end you always end up with some private corpOct 24 20:42
AdrianGrunning shitOct 24 20:42
AdrianGlike apple, ibm, googleOct 24 20:42
MinceRwe can all get along, we can fork if we need toOct 24 20:42
AdrianGthey just force a standard on everyoneOct 24 20:42
MinceRnot alwaysOct 24 20:42
AdrianGand tho unpleasant, it is actually helpfulOct 24 20:43
MinceRsome of these standards spread against the intention of those companiesOct 24 20:43
AdrianGlike you really think apple did fuck all?Oct 24 20:43
AdrianGthe reason we have this whole smartphone nonsense all over is because of appleOct 24 20:43
MinceRthey stole a lot of ideasOct 24 20:43
MinceRnopeOct 24 20:43
AdrianGnow they are falling behindOct 24 20:43
AdrianGbut they broke thru it firstOct 24 20:43
MinceRsmartphones existed before themOct 24 20:43
AdrianGyeah they existedOct 24 20:43
MinceRsmartphones that looked like the hypePhone existed before the hypePhoneOct 24 20:43
AdrianGonly they didnt do shitOct 24 20:43
AdrianGthere was no ecosphereOct 24 20:43
MinceRonly they did what hypePhones still can't doOct 24 20:43
AdrianGapple came around, and created an ecosphereOct 24 20:43
AdrianGnah its not about the actual deviceOct 24 20:44
MinceRthey already had open architectures, sideloaded applications, shared filesystemsOct 24 20:44
AdrianGits about a whole ecosphereOct 24 20:44
AdrianGthat u can just sit down and start usingOct 24 20:44
MinceRsure, it's about fraudulent claims of jobs having invented everything including sliced bread, the wheel and the kitchen sinkOct 24 20:44
AdrianGlike do you think a doctor wants to go get an engineering degreeOct 24 20:44
AdrianGjust so that he can use phones properly?Oct 24 20:44
AdrianGhe's a doctor.Oct 24 20:44
MinceRi had a smartphone before the hypePhone even existedOct 24 20:44
MinceRi could just sit down and use itOct 24 20:44
MinceRit had a lot of applications availableOct 24 20:45
AdrianGoh pls.Oct 24 20:45
AdrianGthere used to be barely any srs appsOct 24 20:45
MinceRoh, and it could multitaskOct 24 20:45
MinceR"srs apps", like flashlight apps and fart sound apps?Oct 24 20:45
MinceRor additional interfaces to your favorite social networking site?Oct 24 20:45
AdrianGi have an android phoneOct 24 20:45
AdrianGand there is a shit ton of apps that arent for androidOct 24 20:45
AdrianGand only available on iosOct 24 20:45
AdrianGlike legit producitivty tools. and good apps too.Oct 24 20:45
AdrianGyou know why?Oct 24 20:46
MinceRwow, there's a shit ton of apps for all sorts of OS-esOct 24 20:46
AdrianGbecause ios devs make money.Oct 24 20:46
AdrianGandroid devs dontOct 24 20:46
MinceRthere are lots of apps that aren't for hypeOSOct 24 20:46
AdrianGyesOct 24 20:46
AdrianGdid u see how much ios apps make vs android apps?Oct 24 20:46
MinceRalso, software engineering isn't only about making moneyOct 24 20:46
MinceRi know gates could never understand thisOct 24 20:46
MinceRbut you couldOct 24 20:46
MinceRi hopeOct 24 20:46
AdrianGMinceR: how do i pay for my mortgage and my kids college w/o moneyOct 24 20:47
MinceR(remember gates' letter to hobbyists?)Oct 24 20:47
AdrianGi work for money.Oct 24 20:47
AdrianGdont care, ios, risc, web apps, mainframeOct 24 20:47
MinceRi develop software both for money and for other reasonsOct 24 20:47
AdrianGwhatever pays best.Oct 24 20:47
AdrianGi might even give up dev work entirely and go do net.sec.Oct 24 20:47
AdrianGits ridic overpaid.Oct 24 20:47
MinceRand apparently no skills are needed eitherOct 24 20:48
AdrianGin net.sec?Oct 24 20:48
MinceRyesOct 24 20:48
AdrianGany dev who knows what they are doing can go do net sec.Oct 24 20:48
AdrianGits just a specialized domain.Oct 24 20:48
AdrianGnot one network security guy i know can codeOct 24 20:48
AdrianGthey cant even write basic scripts to call some soap apiOct 24 20:49
MinceRpeople don't get fired for running microsoft everything, standardizing on ie6 and pretending that a vpn and some crappy AV will make it all omg-secureOct 24 20:49
AdrianGlolOct 24 20:49
AdrianGits a lot more complicated.Oct 24 20:49
MinceRi'm sure it isOct 24 20:49
MinceRespecially when the crap they evangelize so much fucks up (yet again)Oct 24 20:50
AdrianGthats just desktop security u've mentionedOct 24 20:50
AdrianGnet.sec is entirely different.Oct 24 20:50
MinceRno, they also put m$ crap on "servers" tooOct 24 20:50
MinceRIIS, AD, ISA ServerOct 24 20:50
MinceRMS SQLOct 24 20:50
AdrianGagain, thats not net.secOct 24 20:50
MinceRand they even make some of them publicly availableOct 24 20:50
MinceRat least m$ had the sense to hide theirs behind GNU/Linux machines...Oct 24 20:50
AdrianGhttp://www.fortinet.com/technology/hardware-acceleration-fortiasic.htmlOct 24 20:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.fortinet.com | Hardware Accelerated Network Processing and Content Security | Fortinet  [ http://ur1.ca/fxnq2 ]Oct 24 20:51
AdrianGwe have capability to seamlessly decrypt and dump 20gbit of encrypted trafficOct 24 20:52
AdrianGall inhouseOct 24 20:52
AdrianGwith boxes like thatOct 24 20:52
MinceRthat's niceOct 24 20:52
AdrianGonly nobody's using itOct 24 20:52
AdrianGor cares for itOct 24 20:52
AdrianGlolOct 24 20:52
MinceRwith or without knowing the keys beforehand? :>Oct 24 20:52
AdrianGMinceR: its an automated MTMOct 24 20:52
MinceRMITM?Oct 24 20:52
AdrianGi omit the I usuallyOct 24 20:53
AdrianGbut yes, same thingOct 24 20:53
MinceR:)Oct 24 20:53
AdrianGits an overkillOct 24 20:53
AdrianGbut ppl like to have them.Oct 24 20:53
AdrianGalso net sec would be concerned with things like fax machines with no passwords hooked right into the backbone of a national ispOct 24 20:53
AdrianGtrue story.Oct 24 20:53
MinceR:)Oct 24 20:53
MinceRand routers with default passwordsOct 24 20:54
AdrianGnah that's a little too stupidOct 24 20:54
MinceR:)Oct 24 20:54
AdrianGnever heard of something like that in reality in a serious shopOct 24 20:54
AdrianGbut fax machines right on the main network - all the timeOct 24 20:54
AdrianGthat same national isp had several gigabits of outbound traffic to chinaOct 24 20:55
AdrianGevery single nightOct 24 20:55
MinceR:DOct 24 20:55
AdrianGi dont think they ever found the root causeOct 24 20:55
MinceRbut didn't they make you sign an NDA about this? :>Oct 24 20:55
AdrianGno, never signed an NDAOct 24 20:55
AdrianGbesides, i dont work on net. sec. projectsOct 24 20:55
AdrianGi just have a lot of work in common with themOct 24 20:56
MinceRi used toOct 24 20:56
MinceRsoftware development though :)Oct 24 20:56
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AdrianGhttp://pandodaily.com/2013/10/10/this-is-why-android-users-cant-have-nice-things/Oct 24 21:07
TechrightsBot-trpandodaily.com | This is why Android users can’t have nice things | PandoDaily  [ http://ur1.ca/fxnsb ]Oct 24 21:07
AdrianGand here's an app i want for androidOct 24 21:07
AdrianGbut prolly will never happenOct 24 21:08
AdrianGhttp://culturedcode.com/things/ipad/Oct 24 21:08
TechrightsBot-trculturedcode.com | NO TITLEOct 24 21:08
MinceRi'm not sure what the point of that pandodaily article isOct 24 21:08
AdrianGfragmentationOct 24 21:08
MinceRoh, that old canardOct 24 21:08
AdrianGits a big problemOct 24 21:09
MinceRyeah, it's called "competition"Oct 24 21:09
MinceRalso, "diversity"Oct 24 21:09
AdrianGwe have a shit-ton of apps in the pipelineOct 24 21:09
MinceRand that's how free software winsOct 24 21:09
AdrianGand android always gets the short end of the stickOct 24 21:09
MinceRand that's also how open architectures and open platforms winOct 24 21:09
AdrianGa lot more effort for dev/testingOct 24 21:09
MinceRalways?Oct 24 21:09
AdrianGyesOct 24 21:09
AdrianGandroid team is falling behindOct 24 21:09
AdrianGall the timeOct 24 21:09
MinceRyou should check your stats againOct 24 21:09
AdrianGwhat stats?Oct 24 21:10
AdrianGim talking about a real life project im onOct 24 21:10
MinceRmarket share, salesOct 24 21:10
AdrianGthats just phone/installed baseOct 24 21:10
AdrianGim talking in terms of development/supportOct 24 21:10
MinceRyeah, also installed baseOct 24 21:10
AdrianGits a lot more difficult than iosOct 24 21:10
AdrianGaltho, development itself is easierOct 24 21:10
AdrianGin terms of coding this or thatOct 24 21:10
MinceRi thought you'd say it's a lot easier to support twitter on samsung devices onlyOct 24 21:10
AdrianGthe problem is supporting every god damn device out thereOct 24 21:11
MinceRso it should be good for youOct 24 21:11
AdrianG?Oct 24 21:11
MinceRyeah, that's what enables the customer to chooseOct 24 21:11
MinceRit's called "free market"Oct 24 21:11
AdrianGMinceR: its what also enables ppl who make monetary decisionsOct 24 21:11
AdrianGto cut out android entirelyOct 24 21:11
MinceRwe don't need Eternal President Jobs or Chairman Ballmer to tell us what device to useOct 24 21:12
MinceRor what software to run on itOct 24 21:12
AdrianGnobody cares about thatOct 24 21:12
AdrianGlol eternal president jobsOct 24 21:12
MinceRand this diversity is what allows innovation to thriveOct 24 21:14
AdrianGthe problem is google is doing nothing about this very real problemOct 24 21:15
MinceRthe problem is people believing that choice is evilOct 24 21:15
AdrianG?Oct 24 21:15
AdrianGif you could write 100 linesOct 24 21:16
AdrianGand make 1k vs 0Oct 24 21:16
AdrianGwhat would u do?Oct 24 21:16
AdrianGlive in a cardbox and write code for free?Oct 24 21:16
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MinceRi would make something that worksOct 24 21:16
AdrianGyou need to buy food/shelter.Oct 24 21:16
AdrianGnobody is going to give you that for free.Oct 24 21:16
MinceRsomehow i get paid for making stuff that worksOct 24 21:17
AdrianGthats because somebody is making money by using that stuff.Oct 24 21:17
MinceRi guess team applesoft didn't have their way yetOct 24 21:17
AdrianGwe have a blackberry app too btwOct 24 21:17
AdrianGyou know why?Oct 24 21:17
AdrianGblackberry is paying us to develop that app. thats the only reason.Oct 24 21:17
AdrianGif they wouldnt pay, we wouldnt build it. at all.Oct 24 21:17
MinceR:>Oct 24 21:18
AdrianGstuff that arent built - they dont work.Oct 24 21:18
MinceRi would be somewhat motivationally challenged in that caseOct 24 21:18
MinceR"yay, i get to build something nobody will ever use!"Oct 24 21:18
AdrianGmeh who caresOct 24 21:19
MinceRif i didn't care, i would have gone into managementOct 24 21:20
AdrianGdo you think its easy to manage ppl?Oct 24 21:21
MinceRi'm not a people personOct 24 21:21
AdrianGokOct 24 21:22
AdrianGme  neither, i think.Oct 24 21:23
MinceR:)Oct 24 21:23
AdrianGbut i think its a lot more difficult to manage ppl than machinesOct 24 21:23
AdrianGppl are unpredictable.Oct 24 21:23
AdrianGwhine all the timeOct 24 21:23
MinceRcertain machines are unpredictable as wellOct 24 21:23
MinceRlike pcs running windowsOct 24 21:23
MinceRlike "will something steal focus before i can finish typing in this password?"Oct 24 21:24
MinceRor "how many reboots will this damned thing require today?"Oct 24 21:25
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 24 21:32
DaemonFCA reader of the Huntington County Tab wrote in with the concern that children might use school-issued iPads to access immoral content.Oct 24 21:32
DaemonFCI agree.Oct 24 21:32
DaemonFCThe iPad runs proprietary software and facilitates the "purchase" of books, movies, music, and video games that are encumbered with digital handcuffs, which cannot be shared or backed up, and can be remotely disabled or deleted using Apple's universal backdoor. This is immoral.Oct 24 21:32
DaemonFCSomething must be done. Oct 24 21:32
MinceRindeed.Oct 24 21:32
MinceRare those public schools?Oct 24 21:32
DaemonFCyeahOct 24 21:33
MinceRthat's even worseOct 24 21:34
MinceRtaxpayers' money being handed over to crAppleOct 24 21:34
MinceRhere's one for DaemonFC: http://cheezburger.com/7531731712Oct 24 21:43
TechrightsBot-trcheezburger.com | Now That's a Truck - CheezburgerOct 24 21:43
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 24 21:48
DaemonFC5 minutes agoOct 24 21:48
DaemonFCMicrosoft and Apple users are currently amused that they can upgrade to the latest version gratis (free of monetary charge).Oct 24 21:48
DaemonFCI don't know why they're amused by this. Free (as in Freedom) software is usually gratis as well. I haven't ever had to pay to use the latest version of any of my software. (Although I have donated to the FSF, KDE, and EFF several times.)Oct 24 21:48
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 24 21:49
DaemonFCabout a minute ago Oct 24 21:49
DaemonFCI'd argue that proprietary user-hostile software like Microsoft and Apple develop is currently going through the "Firefox effect". The availability of better software at a price point of $0 is threatening to ruin their ability to charge users directly.Oct 24 21:49
DaemonFCBut Microsoft and Apple are not charities. When they give away product for free, it's like the tobacco companies that used to cruise around neighborhoods passing out free cigarettes to children. They know that there are other ways to skin the cat. By getting you addicted now, they can profit off of you in some way later, either by charging for features a la carte, or by resuming the up front cost later whenever they think they can get away Oct 24 21:49
DaemonFCwith it again.Oct 24 21:49
DaemonFCUpgrades have never been a major revenue stream for Microsoft or Apple. The copy of Windows that comes bundled with a computer raises the cost of the computer by $50-150. Apple charges like two or three times as much as any other PC maker, and they get away with it because they use OS X as leverage.Oct 24 21:49
Sosumimoronicks coming free as beer was just an apology for the overpriced and userviceable trashcanOct 24 21:57
MinceRmoronicks :)Oct 24 21:58
DaemonFCI'd use a used Mac again. They do run Fedora.Oct 24 21:59
MinceRand they're crapOct 24 21:59
DaemonFCI got one that was still perfectly functional for cheap at a garage sale once.Oct 24 21:59
MinceR:)Oct 24 21:59
DaemonFCThe guy said there was nothing wrong with it, he just couldn't install the latest Mac OS.Oct 24 21:59
DaemonFCSo I bought it and then said "So what you're saying is there's NOTHING wrong with it?"/Oct 24 22:00
DaemonFCB-)Oct 24 22:00
MinceR:>Oct 24 22:00
DaemonFCMinceR: Yeah. I was driving home with some fast food last night and saw some deer getting ready to run out into the road.Oct 24 22:01
DaemonFCSo I stopped and waited for them to pass.Oct 24 22:01
DaemonFCThey're getting to be a major problem out here because all these old people are feeding them.Oct 24 22:01
MinceRi doubt they're as bad as pigeonsOct 24 22:01
MinceRpeople feed them and attract them to the citiesOct 24 22:02
DaemonFCThey just crap on your car.Oct 24 22:02
MinceRguess what all that food is transformed into and where it's placedOct 24 22:02
MinceRnot just on my carOct 24 22:02
DaemonFCA deer will do $3,000 worth of damage.Oct 24 22:02
DaemonFCI think that deer are worse. :)Oct 24 22:02
MinceRat least deer are tastyOct 24 22:02
MinceR(deers?)Oct 24 22:02
DaemonFCthe plural of deer is deerOct 24 22:02
DaemonFC:)Oct 24 22:02
MinceRthen i remembered correctly :)Oct 24 22:02
DaemonFCYeah. They are. My uncle (the one that lives in Georgia) hunts them.Oct 24 22:03
DaemonFCThe last time I was there, he had his wife make a pot roast out of one.Oct 24 22:03
DaemonFCIt was delicious.Oct 24 22:03
MinceR:)Oct 24 22:03
Sosumiso Bambi was tastyOct 24 22:05
Sosumigood, hehehe :)Oct 24 22:05
MinceR:)Oct 24 22:06
Sosumihttp://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1659453Oct 24 22:07
TechrightsBot-trforums.macrumors.com | Meet the nMP D500, AKA Radeon 7870 - MacRumors Forums  [ http://ur1.ca/fxo0j ]Oct 24 22:07
Sosumioutdated after a few months after it's launched and normal gaming cards can tricked into fireprosOct 24 22:07
Sosumisince there's really no distinction between pro and gamer cards is osxOct 24 22:08
Sosumiso folks are paying for the branding and ecc vramOct 24 22:08
Sosumione wordOct 24 22:10
SosumiripoffOct 24 22:10
MinceRhttp://cheezburger.com/7218913792Oct 24 22:29
TechrightsBot-trcheezburger.com | Patched Up the Trash Can AND Revealed a Secret Ingredient - CheezburgerOct 24 22:30
DaemonFChttp://imageshack.us/a/img580/1232/snapshot21c.pngOct 24 22:33
DaemonFCMcSocialismOct 24 22:33
DaemonFCerrrOct 24 22:34
DaemonFChttp://billmoyers.com/2013/10/24/audio-mcdonalds-tells-full-time-employee-to-apply-for-welfare-benefits/Oct 24 22:34
TechrightsBot-trbillmoyers.com | Audio: McDonald's Tells Full-Time Employee to Apply for Welfare Benefits | The Poverty Line, What Matters Today | BillMoyers.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fxo52 ]Oct 24 22:34
DaemonFCThat first one was a targeted drone strike. :)Oct 24 22:34
MinceRgnOct 24 22:52
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared Daily Kos's photo.Oct 24 23:09
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/q71/1005344_10151935572554255_1569487904_n.jpgOct 24 23:09
DaemonFCRyan Farmer via RT TVOct 24 23:17
DaemonFCIf people watched Michael Moore's documentaries, they'd know all about the corrupt contracts that the US entered into.Oct 24 23:17
DaemonFCSome of it is especially egregious. The government didn't pay private military contractors to change the oil in their trucks, so the PMC's just ran the trucks on the same motor oil until they broke down, and then Bush's government bought them brand new trucks.Oct 24 23:17
DaemonFCBut that's hardly the worst thing that Bush did.Oct 24 23:17
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 24 23:29
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 24 23:29
DaemonFC"It was that developing software on the Apple //e was astonishingly painful."Oct 24 23:29
DaemonFCIt couldn't be worse than Xcode.Oct 24 23:29
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Sosumialso, that kde looks pretty goodOct 24 23:58
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DaemonFChmmm, I've gained a few pounds....Oct 25 01:49
DaemonFCoh well. 6' 4" 170 isn't badOct 25 01:49
DaemonFCmy weight came crashing down right after I stopped drinking diet sodaOct 25 01:49
DaemonFCI think they're right. It might not have any calories, but it gives you a serious sweet tooth.Oct 25 01:50
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GXPd0fnpKwOct 25 02:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Sam Kinison on Marriage - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fxp5e ]Oct 25 02:15
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Sosumisoda is badOct 25 05:53
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Sosumiand I actually refuse to drink those carbonated, filled with chemicals thingsOct 25 05:54
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Sosumidrinks = rat poisonOct 25 05:55
Sosumi"the trashcan Mac Pros are recycling decent Radeon cards, calling them FirePro with previously unseen model names, boosting the price a lot, and putting them in an Apple-proprietary form factor so that upgrades are out of the question"Oct 25 05:56
SosumiD series = gimped firepros from W seriesOct 25 05:57
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MinceRhttps://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7821498112/hA71DB222/Oct 25 07:47
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MinceRhttps://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7255732224/h0BBE3443/Oct 25 07:54
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/24/thar-she-blows/Oct 25 08:12
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Thar She Blows!  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fxqn5 ]Oct 25 08:12
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393639967752474625  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393640227165990912Oct 25 08:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Preventing wars https://t.co/AUuoxp1ibgOct 25 08:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: It seems like I'll be meeting RMS again next month, so I shall start rushing in releasing about a dozen videos I recorded with him in OxfordOct 25 08:29
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iophkThe Oxford videos could be released in somewhat longer segments.Oct 25 08:31
schestowitz_bed2MinceR: nukes don't kill people, eitherOct 25 08:31
schestowitz_bed2iophk: could do,but topics vary too muchOct 25 08:31
schestowitz_bed2in scopeOct 25 08:31
schestowitz_bed2so hard to put a title toOct 25 08:31
iophkokOct 25 08:33
iophkthen consider releasing them two at a time, maybeOct 25 08:33
schestowitz_bed2okOct 25 08:33
schestowitz_bed2I need to edit them firstOct 25 08:33
schestowitz_bed2my previous machine was overheatungOct 25 08:34
iophkYes, editing is a lot of workOct 25 08:34
schestowitz_bed2So I had to write a script to periodically suspend openshot and blenderOct 25 08:34
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schestowitz_bed2I invited RMS for dinnerOct 25 08:34
iophkCoolOct 25 08:34
schestowitz_bed2he won't be far from Manc and maybe he hasn't made plans for after his talk just yetOct 25 08:35
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3206458Oct 25 08:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linus Torvalds Smashes the Fedora Project, Calls Them Stupid http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Smashes-the-Fedora-Project-Calls-Them-Stupid-393127.shtml curses a lot, unlike RMSOct 25 08:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | Linus Torvalds Smashes the Fedora Project, Calls Them Stupid  [ http://ur1.ca/fxla5 ]Oct 25 08:36
schestowitz_bed2'Since Linux is chastising people it must be.... any day of the week."Oct 25 08:36
schestowitz_bed2"Since Linus is chastising people it must be... any day of the week."Oct 25 08:36
iophkyes but Torvalds doesn't use the F-word, so it's all OKOct 25 08:36
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3206841Oct 25 08:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Other Reason Why IBM #Throws A Billion At #Linux (With #NSA - Designed Backdoor)  http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2013/9/17/the-other-reason-why-ibm-throws-a-billion-at-linux-with-nsa.html http://openstack.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/openstack-10182013-pm.htmlOct 25 08:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.testosteronepit.com | Testosterone Pit - Home - The Other Reason Why IBM Throws A Billion At Linux (With NSA- Designed Backdoor)  [ http://ur1.ca/fxqqc ]Oct 25 08:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> openstack.blogspot.co.uk | Open Stack: OpenStack 10/18/2013 (p.m.)  [ http://ur1.ca/fxqqd ]Oct 25 08:37
schestowitz_bed2"SELinux has some good ideas in it -- one example is the pid randomizer."Oct 25 08:37
schestowitz_bed2iophk: yeahOct 25 08:37
iophkRMS uses the F-word quite a bit and that freaks people out.Oct 25 08:37
iophkold - http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2006/04/27/openbsd-3_9.htmlOct 25 08:37
schestowitz_bed2iophk: see the other comments thereOct 25 08:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.onlamp.com | OpenBSD 3.9: Blob-Busters Interviewed - O'Reilly Media  [ http://ur1.ca/fxqqf ]Oct 25 08:37
iophkBlobOct 25 08:37
schestowitz_bed2I put one in a post yesterdayOct 25 08:37
iophkDo the chromebooks come with blobs?Oct 25 08:37
iophkYeeloong was the only one without blobs AFAIK and it is supposedly what RMS runs.Oct 25 08:39
iophkBut what about the next generation?  Yeeloong was more than a  few years ago.Oct 25 08:39
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iophk(10:37:31 AM) schestowitz_bed2: iophk: see the other comments thereOct 25 08:40
iophkwhich link?Oct 25 08:40
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JimmyCarterare we allowed to say actual F-word here or is this family channelOct 25 08:41
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JimmyCarteror would you argue those not mutually exclusiveOct 25 08:46
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schestowitz_bed2JimmyCarter: families don't emphasise freedomOct 25 09:00
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schestowitz_bed2many are about controlling, e.g. the childrenOct 25 09:00
schestowitz_bed2and no freedom of thought either, just indoctribnation at schoolsOct 25 09:01
iophkor as RMS put it, expensive status objectsOct 25 09:01
schestowitz_bed2(speaking of my family at least)Oct 25 09:01
schestowitz_bed2chomsky: "fahsionable consumption"Oct 25 09:01
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schestowitz_bed2I've just pulled 19 RMS vidsOct 25 09:02
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schestowitz_bed2been a wholeOct 25 09:02
schestowitz_bed2*whileOct 25 09:02
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iophkif you work on them in batches you can still pace the releasesOct 25 09:02
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iophkLinus' answer at 14:00 - 15:10 is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjRAKuis7T8Oct 25 09:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | LinuxCon + CloudOpen Europe 2013: Linux - Where Are We Going - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fxqvm ]Oct 25 09:10
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iophkThere is some overlap with what Rob Landley spoke of in his "The Rise and Fall of CopyLeft" at the Ohio Linux Fest.Oct 25 09:13
iophkBasically, regardless of license F/OSS is the efficient way and those that buy in gain the advantageOct 25 09:13
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schestowitz_bed2iophk: what does he say?Oct 25 09:17
MinceRschestowitz_bed2: indeed, nukes are pretty stable when undisturbedOct 25 09:17
schestowitz_bed2I remember people pausing a highlighting a video of him talking about GNU and the GPLOct 25 09:18
MinceRafaik they can't be triggered even by fire or explosives, except for the ones insideOct 25 09:18
schestowitz_bed2where he was not respecftul and showed doubts about the GPLOct 25 09:18
schestowitz_bed2It was some old intervie about an hour long, don't recall how to find it nowOct 25 09:18
MinceRgeekingsOct 25 09:20
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iophkIt would be a long time ago, because recently he has strongly defended his choice of GPLv2 Oct 25 09:20
iophkIn one he even ennumerated the 4 freedomsOct 25 09:20
iophk(11:17:47 AM) schestowitz_bed2: iophk: what does he say?Oct 25 09:21
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iophkhe basically says that companies that don't "get" open source will get weeded out over time as uncometitiveOct 25 09:21
iophkuncompetitive Oct 25 09:22
schestowitz_bed2MS revenie declines for cash cowsOct 25 09:22
schestowitz_bed2and common carriersOct 25 09:23
iophkhe figures that companies gain a lot from participating in the FLOSS communities so that they will do it out of a sort of enlightened self interest.Oct 25 09:23
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393640568481669120  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393641443396698112  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393653076495982592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393653786390302720Oct 25 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Useful "Apple" https://t.co/qDaBkNEkcoOct 25 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Glenn Greenwald and the Future of Leaks http://t.co/QwKgBUKViN #snowden #nsaOct 25 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.newsweek.com | Glenn Greenwald and the Future of LeaksOct 25 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Vista 8 logo https://t.co/xmpLSr5RQgOct 25 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Time for your salad http://t.co/WPmiTm36bvOct 25 09:24
iophkthose that can work with the upstream developers will "waste a lot less time"Oct 25 09:24
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393654784986972160  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393655282976714752Oct 25 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Democracy https://t.co/C3GhEgNU37Oct 25 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Mozilla's Lightbeam tool will expose who is looking over your shoulder on the web http://t.co/I2PO6mMut9 #mozilla #firefox #privacyOct 25 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.independent.co.uk | Mozilla's Lightbeam tool will expose who is looking over your shoulder on the web - News - Gadgets & Tech - The IndependentOct 25 10:26
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393656795580735488  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393669027786412032Oct 25 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Nazi-esque policing "suspended with pay" http://t.co/cG9o7nis38 Willkommen #UCDavisOct 25 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theatlanticwire.com | The UC Davis Pepper-Spraying Cop Gets a $38,000 Settlement  - Abby Ohlheiser - The Atlantic WireOct 25 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Employment  http://t.co/pFOQNrOfRu #rms #gnu #economyOct 25 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on Employment | TechrightsOct 25 10:26
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JimmyCarteragreed families suckOct 25 10:26
JimmyCarterfamilies prefer windows for parental controls etcOct 25 10:29
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iophkdepends on the familyOct 25 10:31
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iophkthere are 'parental controls' possible in other systemsOct 25 10:32
iophkbut no amount of technology will take the place of actual parentingOct 25 10:32
iophkit's not something that you can outsource, even to a machineOct 25 10:32
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iophkhttp://cornellsun.com/blog/2013/10/25/chiang-why-you-should-be-working-on-open-source-software/Oct 25 10:42
TechrightsBot-trcornellsun.com | CHIANG: Why You Should Be Working on Open-Source Software | The Sun  [ http://ur1.ca/fxra0 ]Oct 25 10:42
schestowitz_bed2JimmyCarter: what families?Oct 25 10:43
schestowitz_bed2Many dont'; know about such\ 'controls'Oct 25 10:43
schestowitz_bed2https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3202188Oct 25 10:45
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | Dear #Diaspora co...  [ http://ur1.ca/fxrac ]Oct 25 10:45
schestowitz_bed2Not a good signOct 25 10:45
schestowitz_bed2matybe d* is close to imploding like identicaOct 25 10:45
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393675118121336832  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393675390549786624Oct 25 10:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Identi.ca or StatusNet being decentralised was not enough to help old content, users, etc. survive. Evan wouldn't even send me my data.Oct 25 10:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: There's always a certain fear in me that Diaspora will end up like Identi.ca; for sure, same will happen to Twitter & Facebook over long runOct 25 10:48
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iophkDiaspora hasn't embraced the standards-based, open web yetOct 25 10:51
iophkThat's really shooting itself in the foot.Oct 25 10:51
iophkThey need to bring in some web designers and correct and simplify their XHTMLOct 25 10:52
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393680535140466688Oct 25 11:10
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: In the #uk #vodafone ups #spying in exchange for "Earn yourself some extra Pointz". "Tell us a little about you" (selling privacy) for $.Oct 25 11:10
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MinceR115147 <@iophk> Diaspora hasn't embraced the standards-based, open web yetOct 25 11:15
MinceRit's ok, neither has w3cOct 25 11:15
MinceRor tblOct 25 11:16
oiaohmI like the java developers complaining about java applet support being turned off in mozilla.Oct 25 11:17
iophkapplets were a misguided ideaOct 25 11:21
iophkbut fortunately Diaspora doesn't use themOct 25 11:21
iophkIt would take only a little work to get Diaspora functioning.Oct 25 11:22
iophkI'm not sure why they resist with so much effort.Oct 25 11:22
iophkIf they took a few weeks and had their developers and designers access the site only through lynx for a week, they'd be able to fix things up.Oct 25 11:22
MinceRperhaps they're emotionally invested into doing it the wrong wayOct 25 11:22
iophkCould be.Oct 25 11:23
iophkIt can't be a rational basis.Oct 25 11:23
oiaohmiophk: there is a reason.Oct 25 11:24
iophkTell.Oct 25 11:24
oiaohmjava applets can snoop more.Oct 25 11:24
oiaohmSome sites like this to attempt to id fraud logins.Oct 25 11:24
iophkone-time passwords and dongles like yubikey prevent thatOct 25 11:25
iophkthere are other dongles that work, too.Oct 25 11:25
MinceRdongles and tokens tend to depend on having to trust a third party though, don't tey?Oct 25 11:26
MinceRs/tey/they/Oct 25 11:26
MinceRlike rsaOct 25 11:26
iophkYes, that's one weakness.  One-time passwords can be implemented directly.Oct 25 11:26
iophkThere is a bit of admin overhead in generating and distributing the otp, but it has to be less work than fussing with appletsOct 25 11:27
iophkIt's more secure than applets, too.Oct 25 11:27
oiaohmiophk: auskey to access australian government sites requires java.Oct 25 11:31
oiaohmiophk: yes what mozilla has done is distruptive.Oct 25 11:32
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393680535140466688Oct 25 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: In the #uk #vodafone ups #spying in exchange for "Earn yourself some extra Pointz". "Tell us a little about you" (selling privacy) for $.Oct 25 11:32
MinceRat least this time you get to sell your own privacy and get moneyOct 25 11:33
MinceRinstead of others selling your privacy and you getting nothingOct 25 11:34
DaemonFCSo these fast food restaurants say they want to help people eat better.Oct 25 11:34
MinceReat better peopleOct 25 11:34
DaemonFCand then they make the fucking salad more expensive than a burger, fries, and soda.Oct 25 11:34
MinceRit was probably more expensive to makeOct 25 11:35
DaemonFCI ordered a baja chili salad and a bacon and cheddar potato at Wendys last nightOct 25 11:35
DaemonFCit came to $9.71Oct 25 11:35
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/rMF0FRU.jpgOct 25 11:35
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DaemonFCI remember when you could go in there and basically get an entire cow deep fried and covered in cheese, and a "Biggie" fries and drink for $5.85.Oct 25 11:37
DaemonFCThe bag was literally dripping grease when you get home.Oct 25 11:37
DaemonFCthey got rid of "biggie" size everything around the same time McDonalds got rid of the "super size" and Burger King got rid of "king size".Oct 25 11:38
DaemonFCyou know, because some FAT FUCK makes a fucking FAT FUCK out of himself and then sues the restaurant, which gave him what he orderedOct 25 11:38
DaemonFCand now everyone has to sufferOct 25 11:39
DaemonFCwhen I was eating their triple cheeseburgers with an entire pound of meat and a "biggie" fries, it was because I was working in a factory and I was starving and Wendys was on the way home from workOct 25 11:40
DaemonFCand it didn't make me fat because I always worked so hard that I couldn't eat fast enough to keep weight onOct 25 11:40
MinceRi thought they only renamed it to mcmenu or somethingOct 25 11:41
DaemonFC?Oct 25 11:41
MinceRsuper sizeOct 25 11:41
DaemonFCno, they got rid of it completelyOct 25 11:41
DaemonFCfucking stupid reallyOct 25 11:41
DaemonFCif people are dumb enough to eat themselves to that weight while the fucking calories are printed on the wrappers, then they deserve to be fatOct 25 11:42
DaemonFCit's not something that happens in one dayOct 25 11:42
DaemonFCif you've ordered it once, you know how many calories are in itOct 25 11:42
DaemonFCNow we have Obama's guys in there talking about fast food like it was cigarettes.Oct 25 11:43
DaemonFCand how price increases are good because people can't afford to eat, and so fewer of them will be obese.Oct 25 11:43
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MinceRdeath is an even better solution to obesity :>Oct 25 11:43
DaemonFCwell, people deserve what they do to themselvesOct 25 11:44
DaemonFCyou've got a product that's not exactly health food, and it's not a state secretOct 25 11:44
DaemonFCI mean, there has to be personal responsibility somewhere in this process.Oct 25 11:44
DaemonFCor so you'd thinkOct 25 11:45
DaemonFCthe AMA is calling obesity a disease nowOct 25 11:45
DaemonFCobese people are a diseaseOct 25 11:45
DaemonFCso many people have gotten so fat that everyone is now *afraid* to tell them that it was their own damned faultOct 25 11:45
DaemonFCit's not politically correctOct 25 11:45
oiaohmDaemonFC: its not all the person fault.Oct 25 11:48
oiaohmDaemonFC: human body puts on more fat with exposure to toxins as well.Oct 25 11:49
DaemonFCI go and get one of those chocolate xtreme blizzards at Dairy Queen sometimes.Oct 25 11:50
DaemonFCThey have like 1300 calories in themOct 25 11:50
DaemonFCbut for a few days after that I make some cuts and then I'm balancing that out.Oct 25 11:50
oiaohmDaemonFC: some of the over wieght is poor food quality controls.Oct 25 11:50
DaemonFCOf course, if I just added one of those to everything else I was eating that day, I'd be in trouble.Oct 25 11:51
DaemonFConce every few weeks, I hop up on the bathroom scale, and then at that point it's pretty obvious what I have to do for the next week if the number is a few pounds too high.Oct 25 11:53
DaemonFCthey have these federally funded weight loss programsOct 25 11:56
DaemonFCI say get them a bathroom scale, a pencil, and a piece of paper, and let them figure it out.Oct 25 11:56
JimmyCarterif we dont fund weightloss the earth will probably collapse into a blackhole by 2030Oct 25 12:03
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link via Lifehacker.Oct 25 12:47
DaemonFCa few seconds agoOct 25 12:47
DaemonFChttp://lifehac.kr/pDVtdpBOct 25 12:47
TechrightsBot-trlifehacker.com | How to Optimize Your Mac for GamingOct 25 12:47
DaemonFCLike getting rid of the operating system with broken video drivers. Ohh, snap. :)Oct 25 12:47
MinceRand getting a gaming pcOct 25 12:51
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared Car Talk's photo.Oct 25 12:57
DaemonFC10 hours agoOct 25 12:57
DaemonFCFinally a button that turns the driver's seat into an iron maiden and impales the driver with spikes.Oct 25 12:57
DaemonFCIt really completes the Chevrolet experience.Oct 25 12:57
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p480x480/1382266_10151620369841082_685020534_n.jpgOct 25 12:57
MinceR:DOct 25 12:57
MinceRi would guess it's the "vaporize seat" buttonOct 25 12:58
oiaohmMinceR: there is the south affica air bag above drivers seat.Oct 25 12:58
oiaohmMinceR: Or in other words a car designed to K.O the driver.Oct 25 12:58
MinceRi've never heard of itOct 25 13:00
MinceRbut it sounds counterproductiveOct 25 13:00
oiaohmMinceR: some of the anti car theif systems.Oct 25 13:00
DaemonFCI liked the one where there's flame throwers mounted under the car.Oct 25 13:06
DaemonFChmmmOct 25 13:27
DaemonFCMinceR: I wish they'd legalize that here.Oct 25 13:27
DaemonFCI'm sure it would discourage carjackings.Oct 25 13:27
oiaohmDaemonFC: really auto drive cars could be a carjackers worst nightmare.Oct 25 13:28
oiaohmDaemonFC: ie lock them in and auto drive them to the nearest police station or off cliff if gps does not work.Oct 25 13:28
DaemonFCI love this Crown Vic. I was fucking around in a parking lot doing donuts last night.Oct 25 13:29
DaemonFCWould auto-drive let me do that?Oct 25 13:29
MinceRhow will they navigate off a cliff if gps does not work? :>Oct 25 13:40
DaemonFCFord Sync with MicrosoftOct 25 13:46
DaemonFCAvoid Ghetto, Drive Directly Off Cliff.Oct 25 13:46
MinceRlolOct 25 13:46
MinceRAvoid Microsoft, Avoid Ford.Oct 25 13:47
DaemonFCor drive an old one like I doOct 25 13:47
DaemonFC:)Oct 25 13:47
DaemonFCThis stuff didn't exist in 1996.Oct 25 13:47
oiaohmMinceR: I should have put does not work correctly.Oct 25 13:47
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oiaohmMinceR: gps signals are possible to nicely feed fake signals into.Oct 25 13:48
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iophkhttp://www.gmp.police.uk/content/WebsitePages/F32F886757B6529180257C0F00229898Oct 25 14:41
iophkHarassment for owning a printer?Oct 25 14:41
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MinceRserver doesn't respondOct 25 14:44
MinceRapparently the bot didn't like that very much :>Oct 25 14:44
iophkMaybe they got those offensive cyber capabilities they've been going on about and took it out.Oct 25 14:48
MinceR:>Oct 25 14:48
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/25/m-denigrates-hackers/Oct 25 14:53
SosumiI know how to optimize a mac for gamingOct 25 15:13
Sosumi1st step is not getting oneOct 25 15:13
MinceR:>Oct 25 15:13
Sosumisimply because drivers are terrible and receive as much as 1 or 2 updates at most through the usefull lifecycle of the productOct 25 15:14
Sosumiand resorting to nvidia's or amd's good will in providing drivers outside of apple is only asking for trouble since it'll break things most of the timesOct 25 15:16
Sosumijust go read about the folks complaining that their apple blessed HD5570 benches higher than a gtx680 on OSXOct 25 15:17
Sosumi*HD 5770, my badOct 25 15:22
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__martin__schestowitz_bed2: very informative article regards fifthestate public opinion skew.. ad: myself would mention there also wikileaks' made counter-documentary MEDIASTAN (; || greetings from slovakiaOct 25 16:36
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Sosumiyay IBM and others saying NSA "scandal" is hurting themOct 25 16:47
Sosuminext in lineOct 25 16:47
Sosumibailout tech commpaniesOct 25 16:47
Sosumilol :POct 25 16:47
iophkThe new business model : go straight to the bailoutOct 25 16:47
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/DavidKerby/status/391514995864772608Oct 25 17:21
schestowitz_bed2@DavidKerby I can't recall such a thing, except perhaps in the context of CIA-funded group exploring wacky ideasOct 25 17:21
AdrianG?Oct 25 17:22
schestowitz_bed2MinceR: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393774651991932928Oct 25 17:26
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/dear-av-provider-do-you-enable-nsa-spying-yours-eff/Oct 25 18:28
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Dear AV provider: Do you enable NSA spying? Yours, EFF | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fxtie ]Oct 25 18:28
SosumiAV sometimes is the weakest link in the chainOct 25 18:29
Sosumiwait did I say sometimes?Oct 25 18:29
Sosumimost of the timesOct 25 18:29
Sosumi!Oct 25 18:29
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-25/looking-japans-radioactive-mutant-armyOct 25 18:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Looking For Japan's Radioactive Mutant Army | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fxtiv ]Oct 25 18:35
Sosumigodzilla and patlabor coming to UFChina Oct 25 18:36
schestowitz_bed2japan's army is no longer strongOct 25 18:43
schestowitz_bed2japan relies on the US to do its fightingOct 25 18:43
schestowitz_bed2many US bases there, as well as in S KoreaOct 25 18:43
schestowitz_bed2they're more afraid of China now, as well as N Korea, which china too is a bit and increasingly afraid of (potential ally)Oct 25 18:44
schestowitz_bed2And Russia ain't fartOct 25 18:44
schestowitz_bed2The US uses Guam, Japan, Korea, Singapore and the Philippine Islands to fight China's future empire and the Islamizsed south-east Asian areaOct 25 18:45
schestowitz_bed2Vietnam and Thailand are also turning more US-leaningOct 25 18:45
schestowitz_bed2China is now feuding over uninhibited terrotory off the cost of LuzonOct 25 18:46
schestowitz_bed2utterly ridiculousOct 25 18:46
schestowitz_bed2and today I talked about how Tiawan wwrongly viewes its status, denying its status as own3d by RPCOct 25 18:46
schestowitz_bed2Manyt smart people from HK also fled to canada and the UKOct 25 18:47
schestowitz_bed2Some of their children frew up with here and are friends of mine, RPC is malicious and destructive when it wants to, hardly better than the US once you skip their PROct 25 18:47
Sosumiyep all trueOct 25 18:48
schestowitz_bed2my wife hates China with a strong passion, as much as she hates JapanOct 25 18:50
schestowitz_bed2And Korea is now seen as a reformed country, Taiwan to some degree alsoOct 25 18:50
schestowitz_bed2China and Japan to Asia are like the US and Canada to AmericaOct 25 18:50
schestowitz_bed2They're good at stealing resources, crushing dissent, and assuming they own it allOct 25 18:51
schestowitz_bed2Canada does some evil things in Latin America, like gold mining, but the US alone typically gets all the flak, same in AfricaOct 25 18:51
iophkCanadian mining is a problem world-wide.Oct 25 18:54
SosumitrueOct 25 18:56
schestowitz_bed2Canada is very well "greenwashed", but the Tar Sand scandal with the press around the pipeline leaks and floods is gradually changing this perceptionOct 25 18:58
schestowitz_bed2Canada was also seen as very people-friendly until the crushing of protests in Toronto; this haunted Canada in the press for 2 years.Oct 25 18:58
schestowitz_bed2So when people anywhere say they wish they lived in Canada I remind them it's just the other Russian cold desert, inhibited by people who embrace the US -- no the Franco-British -- as their role modelOct 25 18:59
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3209639Oct 25 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nazi-esque policing "suspended with pay" http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/10/uc-davis-pepper-spraying-cop-gets-38k-settlement/70875/ Willkommen #UCDavisOct 25 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theatlanticwire.com | The UC Davis Pepper-Spraying Cop Gets a $38,000 Settlement  - Abby Ohlheiser - The Atlantic Wire  [ http://ur1.ca/fxtlf ]Oct 25 19:01
schestowitz_bed2"He got a bonus."Oct 25 19:01
schestowitz_bed2Bill Blair hasn't been fired eitherOct 25 19:01
schestowitz_bed2After he acted like a Nazi and showed no regretsOct 25 19:01
iophk"suspended with pay" is a paid vacation, a rewardOct 25 19:01
schestowitz_bed2head of states now encourage this kind of behaviour among the police ranksOct 25 19:02
iophkwhy not include a sequestrement in the Bahamas or Aruba or something for the duration?Oct 25 19:02
iophk... for security reasons, of course.Oct 25 19:03
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3209770Oct 25 19:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Richard Stallman on EmploymentOct 25 19:05
schestowitz_bed2'He'd make a good prez. Using cash instead of cards also helps employment because of the handling (all the way to the bank) - plus increases privacy."Oct 25 19:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on Employment | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fxtm7 ]Oct 25 19:05
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/dont-be-fooled-phony-open-source-229484Oct 25 19:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Don't be fooled by phony 'open source' | Open Source Software - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fxtnx ]Oct 25 19:17
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 25 19:39
schestowitz_bed2<li><h5><a href="http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/dont-be-fooled-phony-open-source-229484" rel="nofollow">Don't be fooled by phony 'open source'</a></h5>Oct 25 19:39
schestowitz_bed2<blockquote>Companies that try to use some mutant form of open source to generate a contributor network effect are deluding themselves</blockquote></li>Oct 25 19:39
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 25 19:39
schestowitz_bed2Phipps:Oct 25 19:40
schestowitz_bed2"Newcomers to open source are often astonished to find great, complete, actively maintained software available free of charge. Some assume this is because of the selfless philanthropy of others "giving their work away free." Some even assume this is naivete on the part of the developers; indeed, one business leader has concluded that the best way to deal with the threat of open source to his business is to be parasitic: "If an Oct 25 19:40
schestowitz_bed2open source product gets good enough, we'll simply take it.""Oct 25 19:40
schestowitz_bed2That's EllisonOct 25 19:40
schestowitz_bed2The man who took away Phipps' high-paying jobOct 25 19:40
iophkTorvalds and some others have mentioned that they think those kinds of people / businesses will vanish over time through Darwinian selection.Oct 25 19:42
iophkThat might not happen completelyOct 25 19:42
iophkparticularly pernicious ones might persist for a long, troublesome period.Oct 25 19:43
iophkOracle is one example.  It's just one company but since allying with M$ they've done a bad job on a number of FOSS projects.Oct 25 19:47
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SosumihypePhone 5s has finally launched in portugalOct 25 19:49
Sosumiwith the slogan "Pense mais além" = think beyondOct 25 19:50
Sosumiand I say, yeah I'm thinking beyondOct 25 19:50
SosumiI'm thinking nexus 5Oct 25 19:50
Sosumiand I can't believe the mobile operators are selling that thing locked for less 10€ than what crApple sells on their storeOct 25 19:52
MinceRi've always thought beyond hypePhonesOct 25 19:52
Sosumiand then ask you 50€ to unlock the turdOct 25 19:52
SosumifailOct 25 19:52
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Sosumiand in fact it was apple who introduced to the market 600€+ cell phonesOct 25 20:42
Sosumibefore that a regular flagship could be bought by 499€ maxOct 25 20:43
Sosumialso more on the trashcanOct 25 20:45
SosumiD300 having 2 GB vram vs w7000's 4GBOct 25 20:45
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Sosumiand D500 3GB vram vs equivalent W8000 4GBOct 25 20:46
Sosumiand lol again, marketing/propaganda lies and price gougingOct 25 20:47
MinceRflagship smartphones still tend to cost less than hypePhonesOct 25 20:47
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DaemonFChttp://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ke-ha-chats-vaginal-exorcism-and-dr-luke-controversy-20131024Oct 25 22:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.rollingstone.com | Kesha Talks Exorcism, Illuminati and Serial Killers | Music News | Rolling Stone  [ http://ur1.ca/fxua7 ]Oct 25 22:06
DaemonFCWeird people.Oct 25 22:06
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 25 22:20
DaemonFCIf Apple is giving the police the technology to turn off your iPhone while they're beating people, and is giving the RIAA/MPAA the technology to turn off your iPhone so you can't take pictures/record video at a concert or a movie, then why can't they shut off an iPhone user's ability to text while their car is turned on and crash into a person that was driving responsibly?Oct 25 22:20
MinceRthey can't turn off my iphoneOct 25 22:20
MinceRbecause i don't have one :>Oct 25 22:20
DaemonFCRyan Farmer There's a new line for SIRI. "Hey, watch the road ***hole. Shutting down.".Oct 25 22:22
MinceRthat would be hypocritical, considering that siri refuses to answer if you use words like that :>Oct 25 22:24
JimmyCarteri have an iphone but i dont pay for serviceOct 25 22:27
JimmyCarterunfortunately i supposed doesnt stop them from spying on me w meOct 25 22:27
JimmyCarterso i should either get phone service or become an anti-technology recluseOct 25 22:28
MinceRi was thinking about a mobile phone service that doesn't tell the network where you are unless you make a call or decide to answer a callOct 25 22:30
MinceRit isn't easy :)Oct 25 22:30
DaemonFCWow. What phone company did you get that forgot to make you pay for the data plan and all that crap?Oct 25 22:31
MinceRi think it's called not having a phone service subscriptionOct 25 22:32
MinceRyou have a phone, a SIM, but it can't log in anywhere. you can still make emergency calls or use wifiOct 25 22:32
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 25 22:43
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 25 22:43
DaemonFC"I'm telling you Teal'c, If we don't get out of this soon I'm going to lose it... Lose it, means go crazy, nuts, bonzo, no longer in control of ones faculties, three fries short of a Happy Meal... WACKO!"Oct 25 22:43
DaemonFC—Jack O'Neill in Window of Opportunity (SG-1)Oct 25 22:43
MinceR:)Oct 25 22:44
MinceRone of my favorite episodesOct 25 22:44
DaemonFC"You have said that many times. Next time I may not be so forgiving."Oct 25 22:45
DaemonFC:)Oct 25 22:45
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 25 22:46
DaemonFCabout a minute agoOct 25 22:46
DaemonFCColonel Jack O'Neill: So what's your impression of Alar? Oct 25 22:46
DaemonFCTeal'c: That he is concealing something. Oct 25 22:46
DaemonFCColonel Jack O'Neill: Like what? Oct 25 22:46
DaemonFCTeal'c: I am unsure. He is concealing it.Oct 25 22:46
MinceR:)Oct 25 22:47
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 25 22:56
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 25 22:57
DaemonFCI think my favorite Google Chrome feature is its built-in ability to completely ignore what you typed in and search for something else or go to some random website. It's like someone dug up the old What's Related button from Netscape Navigator and integrated it into the location bar.Oct 25 22:57
MinceRare you feeling lucky?(tm)Oct 25 22:58
MinceR...punk?Oct 25 22:58
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeMGqTwWA6UOct 25 23:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | George Carlin - Voting is meaningless - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fxuhd ]Oct 25 23:10
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 25 23:18
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 25 23:18
DaemonFC"If you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around on you and say if you don't vote you have no right to complain. Well, where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest incompetent people that get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done! You caused the problem, you voted them in, you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who, in Oct 25 23:18
DaemonFCfact, did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain as loud as I want about the mess you created, that I had nothing to do with!" -George CarlinOct 25 23:18
MinceRwhat if the guy i voted for lost?Oct 25 23:18
DaemonFCNot voting lowers the turnout.Oct 25 23:20
DaemonFCThe dishonest incompetent people still win, but the legitimacy of the election is visibly reduced,Oct 25 23:20
DaemonFCPeople who don't vote are making a statement that things will turn out pretty much the same way no matter what happens.Oct 25 23:21
MinceRand it sends the message that people don't mind :>Oct 25 23:21
DaemonFCI guess it's technically better to show up and vote for a third party candidate that has no chance of winning.Oct 25 23:21
Agnesiapple shuting down the iphone is through the use of a an infrarred blasterOct 25 23:27
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 25 23:27
Agnesiand yes it is meant to shut down the cameraOct 25 23:27
DaemonFCRight now, the Democrats and Republicans are behind closed doors, making corrupt bargains about how much to cut your Social Security and Medicare, and how much to raise taxes on the middle class.Oct 25 23:27
DaemonFCThis "Grand Bargain" is a grand sellout. It does not ask the rich to sacrifice anything. Nothing. Doesn't ask for another penny from them. Mitt Romney will still be in a lower tax bracket than you, no matter how many hours you work, no matter what your hourly rate is.Oct 25 23:27
DaemonFCWhen I worked at Walmart and made about $17,000 a year, I was in a higher tax bracket than Romney.Oct 25 23:28
Agnesiunder the cover of copyrightOct 25 23:28
Agnesiso that folks don't record live concerts, etcOct 25 23:28
Agnesiand police beating folksOct 25 23:28
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer Well, I don't play the lottery because the expected losses are about 89 to 95 cents on the dollar for Powerball/Mega Millions, and 60-65 cents on the dollar for scratch offs. Statistically speaking, you'd be better off to make a deal where every time you hand me a dollar, I guarantee I will give you 70 cents back. And that is an open offer.Oct 25 23:37
DaemonFCa few seconds ago Oct 25 23:37
JimmyCarterill give anyone here that deal immediatelyOct 25 23:53
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3198352Oct 25 23:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Training Scholarship Winner Nam Pho Uses #GNU #Linux for Science  http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/743393-training-scholarship-winner-nam-pho-uses-linux-for-science #hpcOct 25 23:56
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linux.com | Training Scholarship Winner Nam Pho Uses Linux for Science | Linux.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fxk2v ]Oct 25 23:56
schestowitz_bed2"Email is a great. RMS also makes excellent use of his email."Oct 25 23:56
DaemonFChttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/08/1530233/digital-revolution-will-kill-jobs-inflame-social-unrest-says-gartner?sdsrc=popbyskidOct 26 00:02
TechrightsBot-trtech.slashdot.org | Digital Revolution Will Kill Jobs, Inflame Social Unrest, Says Gartner - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fxuo5 ]Oct 26 00:02
DaemonFC"Jobs is already dead..."Oct 26 00:02
MinceR:DOct 26 00:04
schestowitz_bed2Gartner is such a visionaryOct 26 00:07
schestowitz_bed2:-)Oct 26 00:07
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 26 00:17
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 26 00:17
DaemonFCBest Slashdot.org quote of the day, from the article about the digital revolution killing jobs.Oct 26 00:17
DaemonFC"Jobs is already dead..."Oct 26 00:17
DaemonFCAnd not a moment too soon.Oct 26 00:17
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Oct 26 00:19
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 26 00:19
DaemonFChttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/05/apples-crystal-prison-and-future-open-platformsOct 26 00:19
DaemonFCI always liked Steve Wozniak. He is programmer, while Steve Jobs was more like a slithering used car salesman.Oct 26 00:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.eff.org | Apple's Crystal Prison and the Future of Open Platforms | Electronic Frontier Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/9eisr ]Oct 26 00:19
MinceRwozo is overratedOct 26 00:20
MinceRhe can't even understand what free software is aboutOct 26 00:20
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DaemonFChttp://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/54511/small/Pepper-Spray-Statue-of-Liberty.jpg?1382632125Oct 26 01:29
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DaemonFChttps://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1375060_157583644451675_1200704252_n.jpgOct 26 05:58
DaemonFCmmm pumpkin beerOct 26 05:58
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3211401Oct 26 07:27
TechrightsBot-tr@willhill@joindiaspora.com: ### <a href="https://plus.google.com/107555540696571114069/posts/6gT9djuXEV4">Trash Talk from Bruce Byfield</a>Oct 26 07:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> plus.google.com | Aaron Seigo - Google+ - +Bruce Byfield is one of my favorite writers when it comes…  [ http://ur1.ca/fxvtf ]Oct 26 07:27
schestowitz_bed2"Of course you don't, Roy. The accusations are baseless. Only soft headed, ignorant people or those with a vested interest in Microsoft technologies you have criticized would believe such nonsense. You are a careful, well meaning and polite advocate. I am sorry they have lashed out against you to hurt me. It only discredits them more."Oct 26 07:27
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3210868Oct 26 07:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Richard Stallman on US Economy and Politics http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2013/10/25/rms-economy/ #finance #jobs #outsourcing #welfareOct 26 07:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Richard Stallman on US Economy and Politics  [ http://ur1.ca/fxvtn ]Oct 26 07:27
schestowitz_bed2Thanks for posting that as well as for the interview in general. Good stuff, all pretty common sense stuff, especially the last part about banksters being marauders from which no benefits in the long run can be derived from.""Oct 26 07:27
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iophkhttp://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/exclusive-feds-confiscate-investigative-reporters-confidential-files-during-raid/Oct 26 07:50
TechrightsBot-trdailycaller.com | Feds confiscate investigative reporter’s confidential files during raid | The Daily Caller  [ http://ur1.ca/fxvwf ]Oct 26 07:50
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393988764521222144  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393988976069332992 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/393991549438427136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394004526333976576 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394010150404890624Oct 26 09:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Red lake http://t.co/n5E9Dyu5biOct 26 09:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Retired US drone operator tells of the turmoil he feels after killing by remote control  http://t.co/sJscF95MP4 #drones #ciaOct 26 09:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> mobile.news.com.au | Retired US drone operator tells of the turmoil he feels after killing by remote control | News.com.auOct 26 09:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: New: Richard Stallman on Plutocratic Society http://t.co/JpZKewCBNo #us #politics #fsf #gnuOct 26 09:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> bytesmedia.co.uk | Bytes Media - Richard Stallman on Plutocratic SocietyOct 26 09:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Exclusive: Feds confiscate investigative reporter’s confidential files during raid http://t.co/IVUbJYDDXf #raid #dhsOct 26 09:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Even If Coverage of GNU/Linux Declines, the Development of GNU/Linux Keeps Its High Pace  http://t.co/7NAUKu6eTN #gnu #linuxOct 26 09:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Even If Coverage of GNU/Linux Declines, the Development of GNU/Linux Keeps Its High Pace | TechrightsOct 26 09:00
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394029009564368896  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394026075149582336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394025335127543808 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394024678387646464Oct 26 10:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: NSA site went down due to 'internal error', not DDoS attack, agency claims http://t.co/ZZHrTnPU52 #nsa gets a taste of own poison? #ddosOct 26 10:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> rt.com | NSA site went down due to 'internal error', not DDoS attack, agency claims — RT USAOct 26 10:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: A Drone Warrior's Torment: Ex Air Force Pilot Brandon Bryant on His Trauma From Remote Killing  http://t.co/mK4iJn2bUx #drones #ciaOct 26 10:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.youtube.com | A Drone Warrior's Torment:  Ex Air Force Pilot Brandon Bryant on His Trauma From Remote Killing - YouTubeOct 26 10:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Hating freedom http://t.co/kSB7KSg61NOct 26 10:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: MEPs vote to suspend US data sharing http://t.co/A3h6houUKD tell banks to also stop transmitting British people's finances to the #NSAOct 26 10:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - MEPs vote to suspend US data sharingOct 26 10:20
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394023945789530112  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394023596055887872 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394023135659700224 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394016809781067776Oct 26 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: NSA and freedom http://t.co/qMrIUFRPRf #freedom of #surveillanceOct 26 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Prof. Eben #Moglen on #Snowden & #NSA spying http://t.co/sOgTk52p7I always interesting to hear himOct 26 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.youtube.com | Prof. Eben Moglen on Snowden & NSA spying - YouTubeOct 26 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Latest Leaks Show Nobody Can Rely on Government/Authority for Privacy, Free Software the Real Remedy http://t.co/QmkWEOmsZI #privacy #euOct 26 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Latest Leaks Show That Nobody Can Rely on Government/Authority for Privacy, Free Software the Real Remedy | TechrightsOct 26 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Descent Into Barbarism: Civil Rights Crushed and Abusive Police Officer Rewarded With Paid Vacation and Compensation http://t.co/EpDJLhFQuYOct 26 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Descent Into Barbarism: Civil Rights Crushed and Abusive Police Officer Rewarded With Paid Vacation and Compensation | TechrightsOct 26 10:21
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394032955817213952  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394033875397394432  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394034141383368704   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394034524352688128Oct 26 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: From Friday: Richard Stallman on Political Role in Economy http://t.co/5AnhlHVua5Oct 26 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> bytesmedia.co.uk | Bytes Media - Richard Stallman on Political Role in EconomyOct 26 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: My mother and now my mother in law both prevented access to generics. The cartel prevents access. Patents and so-called 'treaties' are evil.Oct 26 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Will The Canada-EU Trade Agreement Harm Our Freedoms Online? http://t.co/iHUNa1FVWE #canada #eu #europeOct 26 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.laquadrature.net | Will The Canada-EU Trade Agreement Harm Our Freedoms Online? | La Quadrature du NetOct 26 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The world needs the pharmaceutical cartel for health like it needs Hollywood for fun.Oct 26 10:38
schestowitz_bed2http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/helping-europe-lead-electronicsOct 26 10:58
TechrightsBot-trec.europa.eu | Helping Europe lead in electronics - European Commission  [ http://ur1.ca/fxwu6 ]Oct 26 10:58
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394039911017635840  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394041123985174528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394041408002473984 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394041883540074497Oct 26 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Neelie Kroes claims she is defending the Internet while she is fighting #netneutrality http://t.co/TbVFJ5XvaiOct 26 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> ec.europa.eu | Internet Governance: I want your views! - European CommissionOct 26 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Freeing up knowledge. Freeing up culture. Because it allows everyone to take part not just an elite.” http://t.co/71EaRUmRRMOct 26 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.pirateparty.org.uk | Loz Kaye Rounds off #PPUK13 Conference: "If We don't Speak Out, Who Will?" - Pirate Party UKOct 26 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "The shutdown — and the threat of default — cost the economy billions. (Here’s one estimate of $24 billion...." http://t.co/0uvLgf7xynOct 26 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.lessig.org | Can we afford citizen-funded elections yet? | LessigOct 26 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Stop Watching Us: The Video http://t.co/i5xRlPn5KB #nsa #surveillance #oppressionOct 26 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.youtube.com | Stop Watching Us: The Video - YouTubeOct 26 11:15
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394043504349159424  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394043987197448192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394044202021306368Oct 26 11:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "OpenERP have launched their own crowdfunding campaign for a retail Point of Sale solution, based on... Raspberry Pi" http://t.co/U7I4AGX7ioOct 26 11:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theopensourcerer.com | The Open Sourcerer  » Crowdfunding and VATOct 26 11:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Freedom of Information Act barred in the #uk http://t.co/dJbmEih9hW  #foiaOct 26 11:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk | NCA lacks oversight and transparency | Big Brother WatchOct 26 11:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "The bad guys, you may have guessed, are the Guardian and Edward Snowden." http://t.co/PK1UPCTK3TOct 26 11:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk | No debate please, we're British. | Big Brother WatchOct 26 11:16
schestowitz_bed2http://rdwolff.com/content/arise-xchange-interview-government-shutdown-day-03Oct 26 11:27
TechrightsBot-trrdwolff.com | Arise Xchange Interview: Government Shutdown Day 03 | Professor Richard D. Wolff  [ http://ur1.ca/fxwz1 ]Oct 26 11:27
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394047773357899777  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394050412397215744Oct 26 11:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Wolff: "our economic recovery has so far been a “fiction,” unless you’re in the top one percent" http://t.co/iQ6KBJJ1SfOct 26 11:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> rdwolff.com | Richard Wolff on The Campbell Conversations | Professor Richard D. WolffOct 26 11:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Lobbying http://t.co/haPywvfxdpOct 26 11:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on Lobbying | TechrightsOct 26 11:39
schestowitz_bed2https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3212556Oct 26 11:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | http://www.youtub...  [ http://ur1.ca/fxx2r ]Oct 26 11:42
schestowitz_bed2"don't worry, the next-gen drones can kill without pilot... :("Oct 26 11:42
schestowitz_bed2What a relief. I worry no more. Sociopaths like Clapper and Alexander will do this with cognitive dissonance next time. Remember Alexander's/NSA's reaction to Snowden's leaks: they said they would automate the sysadmins!!Oct 26 11:43
schestowitz_bed2https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3212555Oct 26 11:44
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3212555 )Oct 26 11:44
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 26 11:44
schestowitz_bed2The internet may well be the best thing since sliced bread, but it must not be subsumed as a fundamental of existance.Oct 26 11:44
schestowitz_bed2The generations since a decade or so ago have been suckled on the net.Oct 26 11:44
schestowitz_bed2In my view, this is horrific, and leads inexorably to the development of the 'hive mind', an outcome that I find abhorrent....Oct 26 11:44
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 26 11:44
schestowitz_bed2Hive mind is a good expression. People have no personality anymore.Oct 26 11:44
schestowitz_bed2http://31.media.tumblr.com/7317272e25def6b0f8c04b09376c32e5/tumblr_muzh0rXzxK1s5zyrgo5_500.pngOct 26 11:45
schestowitz_bed2 I first read that as "anarchist"Oct 26 11:45
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394070130432692224  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394069658707718144   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394066582139600896   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394062197921705984Oct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Torvalds gives the thumbs up to SteamOS http://t.co/eswjsIulP1 the photo shows not a thumb  http://t.co/4UxRzfZGcEOct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.techeye.net | Torvalds gives the thumbs up to SteamOS - Will help Linux get onto the desktop | TechEyeOct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.pcworld.com | SteamOS could really help desktop Linux adoption, says Torvalds | PCWorldOct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steam helps #gnu #linux http://t.co/VPJ6yixxLx http://t.co/ogqU8iIOJp http://t.co/Kh92M9Soyq http://t.co/HR87G9cQQLOct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.joystiq.com | The 7th Guest, 11th Hour bundle up for safety on Steam | JoystiqOct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.capsulecomputers.com.au | Forced’s Successful Launch on PC, Linux and Mac | Capsule Computers - Gaming & Entertainment News, Reviews, Interviews & CompetitionsOct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.joystiq.com | Battle Worlds: Kronos initiates advance wars November 4 | JoystiqOct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.gamasutra.com | Gamasutra - Press Releases - Trilobyte Games Titles Now on SteamOct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How a microscope sees a snowflake http://t.co/JfxzL63SQJOct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Letter From Anonymous on Windows Going ‘Open Source’ Article http://t.co/8T42doHJw2 #windows #microsoft #gnu #gpl #linuxOct 26 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   »  Letter From Anonymous on Windows Going ‘Open Source’Oct 26 13:07
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3213370Oct 26 13:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Torvalds gives the thumbs up to SteamOS http://news.techeye.net/software/torvalds-gives-the-thumbs-up-to-steamos the photo shows not a thumb  http://www.pcworld.com/article/2056894/steamos-could-really-help-desktop-linux-adoption-says-torvalds.htmlOct 26 13:08
schestowitz_bed2"that's a thunb?"Oct 26 13:08
schestowitz_bed2There are idiots. Look around.Oct 26 13:11
schestowitz_bed2From https://twitter.com/evgenymorozovOct 26 13:11
TechrightsBot-trtwitter.com | Evgeny Morozov (evgenymorozov) on TwitterOct 26 13:11
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/evgenymorozov/status/393753586829508608Oct 26 13:14
TechrightsBot-tr@evgenymorozov: Can't decide whether to rebrand my kitchen as a "makerspace" or a "hacklab"Oct 26 13:14
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394073460533911552  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394074245594374144Oct 26 13:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: EU Parliament says other countries spy, but not as much as the UK or US http://t.co/096Xv6FUoR #uk #us #surveillanceOct 26 13:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.itworld.com | EU Parliament says other countries spy, but not as much as the UK or US | ITworldOct 26 13:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: RT @evgenymorozov "How come the US taps the leaders of every country but not North Korea? [...] Perhaps, I should finally get a cellphone."Oct 26 13:15
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cubezzzhi oiaohm :)Oct 26 13:50
oiaohmHi cubezzzOct 26 13:57
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/26/tuxmachines-org-for-sale/Oct 26 13:58
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Tuxmachines.org for sale  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fxxr0 ]Oct 26 13:58
iophkhttp://siliconangle.com/blog/2013/10/25/freedom-with-open-source-how-nations-can-escape-their-dependence-on-us-made-tech/Oct 26 15:03
TechrightsBot-trsiliconangle.com | Freedom With Open Source: How Nations Can Escape Their Dependence On US-Made Tech | SiliconANGLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fxy1g ]Oct 26 15:03
schestowitz_bed2iophk: "I don’t have any idea of selling MrPogson.com. It isn’t even my site, legally… It’s a part of my day but it will have to share with horticulture, hunting, food and shooting for my love. "Oct 26 15:23
schestowitz_bed2Whose site is it then?Oct 26 15:23
schestowitz_bed2iophk: I made my offerOct 26 15:23
schestowitz_bed2waiting for a second reply nowOct 26 15:24
schestowitz_bed2"--Update Oct 25, 2013--"Oct 26 15:24
schestowitz_bed2OhOct 26 15:24
schestowitz_bed2"As of today, I have two offers for $1000, an offer to help (which I am still considering), and one with some questions (I'll try to answer today). With the two bids of the same amount, the first will take precedence. "Oct 26 15:24
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 26 15:25
schestowitz_bed2For those submitting bids and visitors who are interested, I will have to decide within the next several days as it's not proper to keep these bidders waiting.Oct 26 15:25
schestowitz_bed2If anyone else is interested in submitting a bid, I will probably decide by Monday. Right now, I am leaning toward accepting the first $1000 bid unless it is outbid. Oct 26 15:25
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 26 15:25
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 26 15:26
schestowitz_bed2I have been a member for 7 years and a half now. SadOct 26 15:26
schestowitz_bed2I obviously don't have server logs like you do but the website does not look dead.Oct 26 15:26
schestowitz_bed2If you need help, just ask. Maybe of us would love to help with news or even advertising for the website (for free of course).Oct 26 15:26
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 26 15:26
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 26 15:26
schestowitz_bed2I was using Linux for about 1.5 years when I discovered Tuxmachines. Back then, I was still teaching high school computer science (before I retired), and by the time I discovered Tuxmachines, I started teaching some Linux stuff, and maintained an in-school linux server.Oct 26 15:26
schestowitz_bed2Over the years reading Tuxmachines articles helped me greatly, and resulted in better Computer Science education for scads of students.Oct 26 15:26
schestowitz_bed2As well as running a terrific Linux site, Susan Linton (srlinuxx) was always very helpful and gracious when I wrote to her asking questions.Oct 26 15:26
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 26 15:26
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394128869399097344 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394128301574586368 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394127912154431489Oct 26 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Oh, look. The all-knowing Byfield is still accusing people of being "trolls" if they don't agree with him. https://t.co/qHe8WoY3xq #sighOct 26 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> plus.google.com | Bruce Byfield - Google+Oct 26 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "[Byfield] poking the community and then taking advantage of the reaction to say bad things about the community" https://t.co/gDQqtgHOCTOct 26 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> plus.google.com | Will Hill - Google+ - A Quick Defense of Myself and Techrights A week ago, Glen…Oct 26 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Been trying to figure out what got Byfield in arguments w/ people who disagree with him (aka "trolls"). Seems he perpetuates #Forrester FUD.Oct 26 16:51
iophkHe's been playing a game like that for a long while IIRCOct 26 16:51
iophkWhether from Forrester or elsewhere,Oct 26 16:52
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iophkNo mention of Linux or any distros beyond Android, certainly no desktops:Oct 26 19:48
iophkhttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/10/ten-steps-against-surveillanceOct 26 19:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.eff.org | Ten Steps You Can Take Right Now Against Internet Surveillance | Electronic Frontier Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/fxv24 ]Oct 26 19:48
iophkA little mention of OSSOct 26 19:48
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schestowitz_bed2Danny O'BrienOct 26 19:52
schestowitz_bed2it's not much to do with softwareOct 26 19:53
schestowitz_bed2but with practices, the main software promoted is TorOct 26 19:53
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3212910Oct 26 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: that 70s show then and now...Oct 26 19:55
schestowitz_bed2"Foreman's sister is deceased: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LisaRobinKelly "Oct 26 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LisaRobinKelly )Oct 26 19:55
schestowitz_bed2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Robin_KellyOct 26 19:59
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Lisa Robin Kelly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fxzfw ]Oct 26 19:59
schestowitz_bed2www.imdb.com/name/nm0446605/Oct 26 19:59
schestowitz_bed2"Kelly played Laurie, the promiscuous and malicious older sister of Eric Forman on That '70s Show. She left the show after five years; her character was written out of the show "to attend beauty school". She briefly returned to the show in the fifth season in four episodes, but was replaced with Christina Moore in the sixth season. In an interview with ABC News she admitted that "With That '70s Show I was guilty of a drinking Oct 26 20:00
schestowitz_bed2problem, and I ran."[2] Kelly appeared in a 2005 film, The Food Chain: A Hollywood Scarytale"Oct 26 20:00
schestowitz_bed2"On March 31, 2012, she was arrested on a felony charge of corporal injury upon a spouse, and was released on $50,000 bail. The charge was based on a complaint filed by her ex-boyfriend, John Michas.[5][6] She later made public statements saying that she was the one who had been assaulted, and denied Michas' claim that she assaulted him.[6][7] On May 12, 2012, TMZ reported that the LA County DA declined to file charges.[8]"Oct 26 20:01
schestowitz_bed2"Kelly died August 14, 2013, at age 43.[12] Her manager Craig Wyckoff said Kelly had voluntarily checked herself into a rehabilitation facility several days earlier to receive treatment.[12] Los Angeles County Coroner Lt. Cheryl MacWillie said the cause of Kelly's death may take eight to ten weeks to determine while awaiting toxicology results.[13] On August 21st, 2013, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department announced that it had Oct 26 20:02
schestowitz_bed2ruled out foul play as a possible factor in Kelly's death. [14]"Oct 26 20:02
schestowitz_bed2Whao, ugly mugOct 26 20:03
iophkPDF's can include a lot of privacy invading stuff these days, few are PDF/A Oct 26 20:10
schestowitz_bed2PDA/A?Oct 26 20:11
schestowitz_bed2PDF/A?Oct 26 20:11
schestowitz_bed2Not Portabel Document, right?Oct 26 20:11
schestowitz_bed2Maybe police department something?Oct 26 20:11
schestowitz_bed2file?Oct 26 20:11
MinceR"PDF/A is an ISO-standardized version of the Portable Document Format (PDF) specialized for the digital preservation of electronic documents."Oct 26 20:11
MinceRi wonder if it's really "portable" unlike PDFOct 26 20:12
schestowitz_bed2it contains metadata if you use a crap generatorOct 26 20:12
schestowitz_bed2like WordOct 26 20:12
iophkYes, metadata, but also scripting and script-like behavior.Oct 26 20:24
iophkMinceR: PDF/A is about as close to portable as you are going to get.  No embedded video and other crap.Oct 26 20:25
MinceRwill acrobat and libpoppler interpret it in the same way? :>Oct 26 20:25
iophkNot sure.  I remember with PS that different brands of printers (AFAIK sometimes different models) rendered differently.Oct 26 20:26
iophkThe EFF article links to Wikipedia :(Oct 26 20:29
iophkthat's not reliable especially about controversial or political subjects.Oct 26 20:30
iophkEven if it is "right" today, it can change in a few hours.Oct 26 20:30
MinceRlinking to a specific version might help; archiving a copy is even better.Oct 26 20:31
iophkYes, it is possible to link to a specific edition, it's in the History link for the page.Oct 26 20:36
iophkThe hurt caused by the EFF link is a link to Keepass instead of KeePassXOct 26 20:43
iophkhttp://www.keepassx.org/requirements/Oct 26 20:43
TechrightsBot-trwww.keepassx.org | KeePassX   – RequirementsOct 26 20:43
MinceR:(Oct 26 20:44
iophkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=KeePassX&action=historyOct 26 20:52
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | KeePassX: Revision history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fxznb ]Oct 26 20:52
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Sosumihttp://www.science-television.com/upload/media/742_faits-comme-des-rats-_5676.jpgOct 26 21:11
Sosumiimage says allOct 26 21:11
schestowitz_bed2who's he?Oct 26 21:20
schestowitz_bed2rat fight?Oct 26 21:20
schestowitz_bed2"National default refers to the idea of an entire government unwilling or unable to pay a required national debt."Oct 26 21:20
schestowitz_bed2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_%28finance%29Oct 26 21:20
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Default (finance) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fxzr5 ]Oct 26 21:21
schestowitz_bed2US is pretty much there now, I think, based on what I read todayOct 26 21:21
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 26 21:21
schestowitz_bed2The term default should be distinguished from the terms insolvency and bankruptcy.Oct 26 21:21
schestowitz_bed2    "Default" essentially means a debtor has not paid a debt which he or she is required to have paid.Oct 26 21:21
schestowitz_bed2    "Insolvency" is a legal term meaning that a debtor is unable to pay his or her debts.Oct 26 21:21
schestowitz_bed2    "Bankruptcy" is a legal finding that imposes court supervision over the financial affairs of those who are insolvent or in default.Oct 26 21:21
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 26 21:21
SosuminopOct 26 21:23
Sosumiit's just an allure to closed platformsOct 26 21:23
Sosumitrapped like rats under the observation of the great overseerOct 26 21:23
schestowitz_bed2ahOct 26 21:26
Sosumiand I see vodafone p00rtugal managed to dupe folks into buying the hypePhone 5SOct 26 21:26
Sosumisold out after 24 hoursOct 26 21:26
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3212985Oct 26 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: a giant planker on the wall near the swimming pool...Oct 26 21:27
schestowitz_bed2":-) :-) :-)"Oct 26 21:27
schestowitz_bed2Sosumi: is it any good?Oct 26 21:27
schestowitz_bed2or just a status symbol?Oct 26 21:27
Sosumiit's just an overpriced phoneOct 26 21:28
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3214011Oct 26 21:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: European Parliament calls for investigation into #CIA renditions http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10372445/European-Parliament-calls-for-investigation-into-CIA-renditions.html chickens come to roostOct 26 21:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.telegraph.co.uk | European Parliament calls for investigation into CIA renditions - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fxzrn ]Oct 26 21:28
schestowitz_bed2"The whole stinking mess needs a Truth and Reconciliation process, since it has been going on for so long and there are so many participants. It will take a very long time to weed out the willing participants from the unwilling, and perhaps the Europeans can get the ball rolling. It's too soon to start such a thing in the Etats."Oct 26 21:28
Sosumijust like samsung's flagshipsOct 26 21:28
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3214060Oct 26 21:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shame on "New Statesman" for trying to create a rift within Wikileaks (where none exists). More of the portrayal of Assange as 'anti-women'.Oct 26 21:28
schestowitz_bed2Especially women that used to work for the FBI ;)"Oct 26 21:28
schestowitz_bed2CIAOct 26 21:28
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MinceRat least samsung's flagships tend to be smartphonesOct 26 21:39
Sosumiyeah, but I'd prefer they didn't bloat them with junkOct 26 21:44
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MinceRhttp://pics.nase-bohren.de/breakting-this-seal.jpg/1382824774Oct 26 23:00
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 20 01:04
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 20 01:04
DaemonFCI could have Apple plot me some maps, except that it would probably tell me to drive over the Empire State Building in Alabama and then continue on until I reach Australia, which might or might not be there.Oct 20 01:04
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DaemonFChttp://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/28032.htmlOct 20 01:25
TechrightsBot-trmjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | The state of XMirOct 20 01:25
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DaemonFCMy car's owner's manual says not to put engine coolant in the windshield washer fluid reservoir or windshield washer fluid in the engine coolant reservoir.Oct 20 03:07
DaemonFCI wonder how you could do that. They're both labeled and one is blue and one is green.Oct 20 03:07
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iophkI hope this does not turn out to be some over-engineered junkOct 20 08:21
iophkhttps://home.regit.org/netfilter-en/nftables-quick-howto/Oct 20 08:21
TechrightsBot-trhome.regit.org | Nftables quick howto » To Linux and beyond !  [ http://ur1.ca/fwwmb ]Oct 20 08:21
iophkhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ5MDUOct 20 08:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NFTables IPTables-Replacement Queued For Linux 3.13  [ http://ur1.ca/fwwmc ]Oct 20 08:21
iophkIt looks a lot more complex than iptables or ipchainsOct 20 08:21
iophk"Wikipedia: verifiability, not truth; consensus, not truth; time  available to engage in edit wars, not truth. objectivist  power-mongering, not truth."Oct 20 08:45
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schestowitz_bed2> Be sure you mention how “Microsoft took its Windows RT 8.1 updateOct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> offline until further notice on Saturday (October 18, 2013), after usersOct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> reported that it resulted in bricked devices and lost data.”Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> http://mashable.com/2013/10/19/microsoft-removes-windows-8-1-updateOct 20 09:37
TechrightsBot-trmashable.com | Microsoft Pulls Windows RT 8.1 Update  [ http://ur1.ca/fwwuf ]Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2>  Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> You really got it hand it to Microsoft, they build in UEFI to block FREEOct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> Linux and end up bricking their own bipolar RT (Ripoff Tablet) operatingOct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2> system! Time to break up the bloated Redmond monopoly.Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2[reader]Oct 20 09:37
schestowitz_bed2iophk: morning..Oct 20 09:37
iophkheyOct 20 09:38
schestowitz_bed2wanna talk about direction of the site?Oct 20 09:39
schestowitz_bed2While others can weigh in?Oct 20 09:39
iophkI guess so.  Oct 20 09:39
schestowitz_bed2Some people favour moving to DrupalOct 20 09:40
schestowitz_bed2Inc. a colleague, who said so this morningOct 20 09:40
iophkThe site does seem to have outgrown it's current CMSOct 20 09:40
schestowitz_bed2I need to sharpen up my drupal skillOct 20 09:40
iophk*itsOct 20 09:40
schestowitz_bed2But that in itself is not a strong enough motivation factor for site CMS fragmenytationOct 20 09:40
schestowitz_bed2I thought about RSS directs, wiki integration, search, eyc.Oct 20 09:41
schestowitz_bed2I also checked out some Drupal themes last nightOct 20 09:41
schestowitz_bed2https://drupal.org/project/themesOct 20 09:42
TechrightsBot-trdrupal.org | Themes | drupal.orgOct 20 09:42
schestowitz_bed2For the most part freeOct 20 09:42
schestowitz_bed2if I can bypass the need to design my own and can just quickly set up drupal, that would be OKOct 20 09:42
iophkI'm thinking with all the old posts, it is important to be able to import from the old CMSOct 20 09:42
iophkCan that be done with Drupal?Oct 20 09:42
iophkOr would the old one be kept around read-only?Oct 20 09:43
schestowitz_bed2the need for people to register with yet another CMS (mediawikialready disabled for signup due to spam) is not an issue because comments are not the key place for discussion, IRC isOct 20 09:43
iophkWith the posts it is important to be able to browse by title, date, and keywords.Oct 20 09:43
schestowitz_bed2since 2008Oct 20 09:43
schestowitz_bed2can import old posts, yes, but the URL structure would changeOct 20 09:43
schestowitz_bed2and that can hurt placement of old articles in SEsOct 20 09:43
iophkI would disagree about the comments, they are important to have in HTML for the search enginesOct 20 09:43
iophkand having them on the same page as the articles gives them context.Oct 20 09:44
schestowitz_bed2IRC logs are HTMLOct 20 09:44
iophkIRC and microblogs (Twitter etc) are just chaff.Oct 20 09:44
schestowitz_bed2Somone just sent me two PDFs to publish in the siteOct 20 09:44
iophkIRC logs may be HTML but are without context.