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| DaemonFC | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2990144/posts | Sep 23 05:58 |
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| DaemonFC | "I’ve heard that once an air bag deploys, the cost of replacement is prohibitive. That can easily “total” a car that has very little damage." | Sep 23 05:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.freerepublic.com | Why used cars are scarce - and expensive [ http://ur1.ca/fo3eo ] | Sep 23 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | True. | Sep 23 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | It's legal to sell cars where the airbag deployed, so you can get one for very little money if you don't mind the fact that you have no airbags. | Sep 23 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | "My son-in-law is a used car salesman. Cash for clunkers nearly wiped out the industry........." | Sep 23 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | Cash For Clunkers is definitely one reason why the used car market is so tight now. | Sep 23 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | Tons of perfectly good vehicles were destroyed thanks to that. | Sep 23 06:00 |
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| iophk | http://rt.com/politics/russia-tor-anonymizer-ban-571/ | Sep 23 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fo584 ] | Sep 23 08:38 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3e332130b5/the-best-of-craigslist-vol-1-2002-ford-focus | Sep 23 09:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.funnyordie.com | The Best of Craigslist Vol. 1: 2002 Ford Focus from John Pick and Mike Hoy [ http://ur1.ca/fo5kf ] | Sep 23 09:08 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Sep 23 09:43 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Used car prices have gone crazy. | Sep 23 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | The best deal I found for $3,000 was a 2002 Ford Focus with 115,000 miles on it. | Sep 23 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | They have vehicles under $3,000, but they're not anything you'd want to drive. | Sep 23 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | Things have changed alot in 8 years. :( | Sep 23 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | The US is becoming more like Mexico with wages, and more like Europe with prices. | Sep 23 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail/photos/multiPhotoPopup.jsp?paId=523425678&tracktype=usedcc&aff=national#0 | Sep 23 10:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cars.com | Vehicle Photo: 1999 Ford Windstar SE [ http://ur1.ca/fo6ce ] | Sep 23 10:17 |
| *DaemonFC would consider this, but there are a couple red flags. | Sep 23 10:17 | |
| DaemonFC | #1: There's some rust on it. #2: There's a trailer hitch, which means it has been used to haul a trailer. | Sep 23 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | That's really hard on the transmission. | Sep 23 10:17 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/S1Lir8d.jpg | Sep 23 10:26 |
| MinceR | http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid | Sep 23 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ccc.de | CCC | Chaos Computer Club breaks Apple TouchID [ http://ur1.ca/fnxgx ] | Sep 23 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083666492796928 | Sep 23 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: iOS 7 http://t.co/IJZiCQkhEn | Sep 23 11:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083515216842752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382079161361526784 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382075206325792768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382068907953381376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382065259617734656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382060735024877568 | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: KDE Enters the Era of 5 http://t.co/m0bONSkmaE #kde #qt #nokia #gnu #linux | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | KDE Enters the Era of 5 | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SUSE Drops #LibreOffice Backing http://t.co/a4t9qNStRc #suse #odf #tdf | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | SUSE Drops LibreOffice Backing | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Copying Apple’s Graphics, Not Apple’s Business and User Experience http://t.co/3kbjUvRRJV #apple #gnu #linux | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Copying Apple’s Graphics, Not Apple’s Business and User Experience | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Site ‘Patent Progress’ Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents http://t.co/EyNjYqG6kQ #swpats #patent | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Site ‘Patent Progress’ Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop http://t.co/uUyeDinf3l #BodhiLinux #gnu #linux | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fedora is Deprecating Yum http://t.co/AkLC9Xy1mm #fedora #redhat #yum #gnu #linux | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Fedora is Deprecating Yum | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
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| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2296172/linkedin-denies-it-hacked-user-accounts | Sep 23 12:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Linkedin denies it hacked user accounts- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fo7io ] | Sep 23 12:11 |
| iophk | "We do not access your email account without your permission" | Sep 23 12:12 |
| iophk | but how much do they trick to get that "permission" ? | Sep 23 12:12 |
| iophk | These people probably missed a checkbox after some obscure TOS change | Sep 23 12:13 |
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| iophk | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/hardware/Nokia-cant-license-brand-name-post-Microsoft-deal/articleshow/22930933.cms | Sep 23 12:40 |
| iophk | "If shareholders of Nokia disapprove the deal, then Nokia will have to pay about USD 51 million as damages to Microsoft." | Sep 23 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | timesofindia.indiatimes.com | Nokia can't license brand name post Microsoft deal - The Times of India [ http://ur1.ca/fo7u8 ] | Sep 23 12:40 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I like that shareholder blackmail. | Sep 23 12:41 |
| iophk | Yep, it was set up carefully | Sep 23 12:41 |
| oiaohm | iophk: or foolishly. | Sep 23 12:42 |
| iophk | Elop set it up | Sep 23 12:42 |
| iophk | the mole | Sep 23 12:42 |
| iophk | If Nokia can be rid of him and still not go through with the sale, it might be worth the money. | Sep 23 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Nokia is fairly much done. | Sep 23 12:43 |
| iophk | There's really nothing left, not even a headquarters. | Sep 23 12:43 |
| iophk | That was sold a while ago to hid losses. | Sep 23 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Development team is a at jolla. | Sep 23 12:43 |
| iophk | Jolla and Newkia | Sep 23 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Newkia ?? | Sep 23 12:44 |
| iophk | Jolla has opened another round of pre-orders | Sep 23 12:44 |
| iophk | Newkia had the bad timing to make its press release on the same day as the sale was announced. | Sep 23 12:44 |
| iophk | http://www.phonearena.com/news/Newkia-a-Nokia-on-Android_id47230 | Sep 23 12:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.phonearena.com | Newkia: a Nokia on Android [ http://ur1.ca/fo7v7 ] | Sep 23 12:44 |
| iophk | It's also former Nokia talent but with Android rather than Meego | Sep 23 12:45 |
| iophk | Those that are left at Nokia have big black spot on their resumes | Sep 23 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Ok another nokia fragment. | Sep 23 12:46 |
| oiaohm | This fairly much ruins MS aquirement plan. | Sep 23 12:46 |
| iophk | we can hope so. | Sep 23 12:46 |
| iophk | I'm more interested inthe Jolla because of Meego | Sep 23 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Nokia case designers making android devices could make some really nice machines. | Sep 23 12:48 |
| iophk | Yes, Nokia handsets were the best for many years. | Sep 23 12:48 |
| iophk | Newkia had something about keeping facilities in Finland. | Sep 23 12:48 |
| iophk | Top quality engineers are quite cheap in Finland compared to other countries. | Sep 23 12:49 |
| iophk | At least fora while. | Sep 23 12:49 |
| iophk | M$ has turned its eyes to the schools and universities around the world. | Sep 23 12:49 |
| oiaohm | M$ wants control of schools. | Sep 23 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Always had. | Sep 23 12:51 |
| oiaohm | MS has less control today of schools than 5 years ago. | Sep 23 12:51 |
| iophk | But more of universities. | Sep 23 12:52 |
| oiaohm | More universities are having Linux machines doing stuff. | Sep 23 12:53 |
| iophk | Yes, it is starting to come back in some areas. | Sep 23 12:53 |
| iophk | But they are having to displace M$ which wasn't a problem 15 years ago | Sep 23 12:53 |
| iophk | One drawback to Newkia is that the head is too soft on Elop and Window Phone. | Sep 23 12:54 |
| iophk | Tomi Ahonen had already ripped those to shreds | Sep 23 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Never be sure. | Sep 23 12:55 |
| oiaohm | There is a old saying one bitten twice shy. | Sep 23 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Tomi Ahonen might have some key experince from following a mole like ELop. | Sep 23 12:55 |
| oiaohm | iophk: 15 years ago Linux did not have the support of video card makers. | Sep 23 13:00 |
| iophk | No, but it was common in universities compared to now and M$ had not dug in. IT depts were skeptical to, if not downright hostile to, M$ garbage. They had actually looked past the marketing back then. | Sep 23 13:01 |
| iophk | Now most IT depts serve as first line of marketing for M$ | Sep 23 13:01 |
| oiaohm | There are still a lot of IT depmartments hostile to Microsoft. | Sep 23 13:03 |
| iophk | Those that have been able to retain experienced staff, yes. | Sep 23 13:03 |
| iophk | It goes one of two way. Either they learn from experience and hate it. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Not really, | Sep 23 13:04 |
| oiaohm | any univeristy running a cluster needs Linux staff. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| iophk | Or they hop on the treadmill and become part of the problem without actually learning about IT. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| iophk | I've seen presentations where students and faculty outsourced it to Amazon. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Linux embed it way into one market Microsoft embedded into another. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| iophk | It's expensive. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| iophk | M$ can't compete in embedded. | Sep 23 13:05 |
| iophk | They have nothing | Sep 23 13:05 |
| iophk | But that won't stop some people from trying. | Sep 23 13:05 |
| oiaohm | MS embed in the desktop market. | Sep 23 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Linux is embed in the super computer market. | Sep 23 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Both very hard to dig out of their home markets. | Sep 23 13:05 |
| iophk | supercomputer, server, mobile, and embedded systems. | Sep 23 13:06 |
| iophk | M$ still owns the OEMs | Sep 23 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Sep 23 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Really OEM are getting less and less hooked up on MS | Sep 23 13:06 |
| iophk | Muktware had an interview with Linus Torvalds and he acknowledged the barrier. | Sep 23 13:06 |
| iophk | Pre-installs are needed to gain the desktop. | Sep 23 13:06 |
| oiaohm | The barrier is double. | Sep 23 13:06 |
| oiaohm | From Windows desktop to Linux desktop is one hell of a jump. | Sep 23 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Windows Desktop to Android to Linux full desktop is a fair lighter jump. | Sep 23 13:07 |
| iophk | From Meego, the jump is shorter. | Sep 23 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Even chromebook in middle is lighter jump. | Sep 23 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Basially Linux has not been ready to go after the desktop. | Sep 23 13:08 |
| oiaohm | wayland and KMS and other key techs is getting Linux ready. | Sep 23 13:08 |
| iophk | Nvidia and ATI could be more helpful with the drivers, too | Sep 23 13:08 |
| oiaohm | We need Nvidia and ATI to unwind there drivers from X11. | Sep 23 13:08 |
| oiaohm | X11 is toxic hazard. | Sep 23 13:08 |
| iophk | X11 is too crufty | Sep 23 13:09 |
| iophk | The work on Wayland has been long over due. | Sep 23 13:09 |
| MinceR | no it's not | Sep 23 13:09 |
| iophk | A re-write has been needed. | Sep 23 13:09 |
| MinceR | and GNU/Linux was continually far more ready for the desktop than either windows or os x for several years | Sep 23 13:09 |
| iophk | Yes, in the late 90's Linux was ahead. | Sep 23 13:10 |
| iophk | technically | Sep 23 13:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really the secuirty flaws of X11 are very extream. | Sep 23 13:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to play the card of a good secure desktop we need X11 gone. | Sep 23 13:10 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: only if you expose it to other hosts | Sep 23 13:10 |
| MinceR | which is not necessary | Sep 23 13:10 |
| MinceR | and not done by default | Sep 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Even running locally. | Sep 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: take password on screensaver. | Sep 23 13:11 |
| MinceR | afaik other windowing systems have the same issues | Sep 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: every screensaver has it own implemetnation under X11. | Sep 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: OS X and Windows no they don't have this fault. | Sep 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: crashing screen saver under Linux can unlock desktop. | Sep 23 13:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: again due to X11. | Sep 23 13:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: X11 long stack of secuirty bugs. | Sep 23 13:12 |
| MinceR | then you could use vlock | Sep 23 13:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: other than nvidia and ati closed source drivers baffing due to X11 dependance. | Sep 23 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes everything dependant on X11 results in key things like vlock not working. | Sep 23 13:13 |
| MinceR | i thought vlock worked :> | Sep 23 13:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: with open soruce drivers it does. | Sep 23 13:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wayland was started because it become very clear X11 is unable to be fixed. | Sep 23 13:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that was suspect with the start of ywindows and direct-fb. | Sep 23 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Also Linux killing off framebuffer and restricting to KMS and DRI is also cleaning up the video stack. | Sep 23 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Linux world has been far to split minded for far too long. | Sep 23 13:18 |
| iophk | low key : http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-6.3 | Sep 23 13:19 |
| iophk | At least Firefox gets a mention: | Sep 23 14:09 |
| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242570/Security_org_raises_Internet_threat_level_after_seeing_expanded_IE_attacks | Sep 23 14:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com | Security org raises Internet threat level after seeing expanded IE attacks - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fo8p1 ] | Sep 23 14:09 |
| iophk | but only removal of Windows will remove IE completely | Sep 23 14:09 |
| oiaohm | iophk: that is not exactly true. | Sep 23 14:12 |
| oiaohm | iophk: but once you have fully remoed IE from Windows it is fairly much broken. | Sep 23 14:12 |
| iophk | more broken :) | Sep 23 14:14 |
| oiaohm | iophk: wizards and particular help files go buy buy. | Sep 23 14:17 |
| MinceR | http://www.androidauthority.com/fingerprints-and-security-272092/ | Sep 23 14:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.androidauthority.com | Why fingerprints shouldn't be used for security - Android Authority [ http://ur1.ca/fo95b ] | Sep 23 14:54 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR yep finger prints are the worst kind of biometrics blood vessels inside hand are far harder to copy. | Sep 23 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes its too simple to get someones finger print. | Sep 23 15:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.biometrics.gov/Documents/vascularpatternrec.pdf This tech. | Sep 23 15:27 |
| oiaohm | Normal finger print scanning patents are expired. | Sep 23 15:28 |
| oiaohm | The good stuff maker has to pay some money. | Sep 23 15:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 23 15:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically apple used obsolete tech. | Sep 23 15:33 |
| MinceR | i prefer passphrase+token | Sep 23 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Some finger print scanners in laptops are not finger printer scanners but vascular pattern scanners. | Sep 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | So compact secure biometric scanner for fingers do exist. | Sep 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Yes vascular pattern scanners do have the advatnage cut off finger it don't work. | Sep 23 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | iophk: can Nokia be safe? | Sep 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Can the news be overturned? | Sep 23 17:30 |
| iophk | No. It died under Elop. | Sep 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | I think Nokia was to be almost sold at $40bn some years ago | Sep 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Then the mole took over | Sep 23 17:30 |
| iophk | At least the phones did. | Sep 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | and drove down the cost while all the patents got passed to Microsoft's trolls of choice | Sep 23 17:30 |
| iophk | A few years before the mole it was around 200 billion or something like that. | Sep 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is clever.. at killing companies | Sep 23 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo is no lnger even a search cob tender | Sep 23 17:31 |
| iophk | The patents are licensed for 10 years at a low rate. | Sep 23 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Now it's a two-horse race, and the number two, yahoo, is defunct for search | Sep 23 17:31 |
| iophk | Only about 3.79 billion was for the handsets, a steal. | Sep 23 17:31 |
| iophk | iphone vs android | Sep 23 17:31 |
| iophk | Jolla might reinvigorate Meego. | Sep 23 17:31 |
| iophk | I think that's what M$ was really afraid of. | Sep 23 17:32 |
| MinceR | yahoo is a m$ front | Sep 23 17:32 |
| iophk | Yes it is | Sep 23 17:32 |
| iophk | even if Mayer is in the news a lot. | Sep 23 17:32 |
| iophk | Icahn | Sep 23 17:32 |
| iophk | Icahn gutted it. | Sep 23 17:32 |
| schestowitz | the ms effect | Sep 23 17:33 |
| iophk | Then the UI just shunts searches to Bong | Sep 23 17:33 |
| iophk | M$ Effect == sour grapes | Sep 23 17:33 |
| iophk | M$ sucks, thus all IT sucks, therefore it is not worth testing Apple or Linux | Sep 23 17:34 |
| iophk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-22EpQOm8c | Sep 23 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | South Park Mac vs. PC vs. Linux - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/foal1 ] | Sep 23 17:35 |
| iophk | That's out of date, video editing is now possible on Linux and games are starting to come in, too, maybe big time. | Sep 23 17:36 |
| iophk | I never really understood South Park. The first times I saw it, it was the same unfunny episode and the animation looked like it was done with presentation graphics. | Sep 23 17:38 |
| MinceR | i don't remember any unfunny episodes | Sep 23 17:43 |
| iophk | The more recent episodes of the Simpsons are unfunny. They are just disjoint, non-sequitors bound together only by virtue of being in the same episode. | Sep 23 17:53 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen much of simpsons yet | Sep 23 17:56 |
| MinceR | i've found that south park managed to be funny even when they misunderstood their subject matter | Sep 23 17:57 |
| iophk | I had bad luck with random samples then. | Sep 23 17:57 |
| iophk | http://www.mobileworldlive.com/politicians-speak-elop-payoff | Sep 23 18:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mobileworldlive.com | Politicians speak out against Elop payoff | Mobile World LiveMobile World Live [ http://ur1.ca/fob4j ] | Sep 23 18:20 |
| iophk | The board chose him and his activities. They are complicit and share the blame. | Sep 23 18:20 |
| iophk | There is nothing left except the cleanup. The fines for not going through with the contract might be tolerable if Elop goes away anyway and takes some of the board with him. But even if that were to happen, there is nothing left of Nokia and rebuilding the mobile phones division would almost be starting from scratch. Starting clean would actually be an advantage over the current situation where Elop has been able to place M$ people in management po | Sep 23 18:22 |
| iophk | Many of the articles still get the purchase price wrong. It was no more than 3.79 | Sep 23 18:23 |
| iophk | http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/26654/Finnish_government_attacks_Elops_16m_pay-off.aspx | Sep 23 18:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mobiletoday.co.uk | Mobile Today | Finnish government attacks Elop's £16m pay-off [ http://ur1.ca/fob5r ] | Sep 23 18:23 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/valve-announces-linux-based-steamos-as-basis-for-living-room-gaming/ | Sep 23 18:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Valve announces Linux-based “SteamOS” as basis for living room gaming | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fobbv ] | Sep 23 18:40 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/mega-relives-megaupload-fame-overtakes-rapidshare-130922/ | Sep 23 18:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Mega Relives Megaupload Fame, Overtakes RapidShare | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fobc3 ] | Sep 23 18:41 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/what-if-verizon-succeeds-in-killing-the-internet-227175 | Sep 23 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | What if Verizon succeeds in killing the Internet? | Data Center - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fobd8 ] | Sep 23 18:45 |
| MinceR | build another one | Sep 23 18:46 |
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| iophk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/mpaa-school-propaganda/ | Sep 23 18:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Downloading Is Mean! Content Industry Drafts Anti-Piracy Curriculum for Elementary Schools | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/foai1 ] | Sep 23 18:59 |
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| iophk | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/23/1722253/link-rot-and-the-us-supreme-court | Sep 23 19:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Link Rot and the US Supreme Court - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fobuz ] | Sep 23 19:40 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/09/23/a-tale-of-two-british-schools-and-gnulinux/ | Sep 23 21:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | A Tale Of Two British Schools And GNU/Linux | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/focmp ] | Sep 23 21:01 |
| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/now-we-know-why-nokias-elop-had-a-25m-personal-bonus-clause-from-the-nokia-board-if-he-was-able-to-s.html | Sep 23 21:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Now We Know Why - Nokia's Elop had a $25M personal bonus clause from the Nokia Board if he was able to sell the handset unit to Microsoft [ http://ur1.ca/focnz ] | Sep 23 21:06 |
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| Sosumi | with M$ announcing a new surface pro | Sep 23 22:24 |
| Sosumi | I wander if they'll issue a windows tax refund on their own (outsourced) hardware | Sep 23 22:25 |
| MinceR | not if they can help it | Sep 23 22:26 |
| Sosumi | actually I've never successfully managed to get a refund | Sep 23 22:26 |
| Sosumi | so I ended up returning the machines | Sep 23 22:27 |
| Sosumi | since I basically didn't need a laptop anyways | Sep 23 22:27 |
| Sosumi | but no luck with compaq, toshiba and asus | Sep 23 22:27 |
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| MinceR | gn | Sep 23 23:44 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 23 23:50 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2990144/posts | Sep 23 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | "I’ve heard that once an air bag deploys, the cost of replacement is prohibitive. That can easily “total” a car that has very little damage." | Sep 23 05:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.freerepublic.com | Why used cars are scarce - and expensive [ http://ur1.ca/fo3eo ] | Sep 23 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | True. | Sep 23 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | It's legal to sell cars where the airbag deployed, so you can get one for very little money if you don't mind the fact that you have no airbags. | Sep 23 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | "My son-in-law is a used car salesman. Cash for clunkers nearly wiped out the industry........." | Sep 23 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | Cash For Clunkers is definitely one reason why the used car market is so tight now. | Sep 23 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | Tons of perfectly good vehicles were destroyed thanks to that. | Sep 23 06:00 |
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| iophk | http://rt.com/politics/russia-tor-anonymizer-ban-571/ | Sep 23 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fo584 ] | Sep 23 08:38 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3e332130b5/the-best-of-craigslist-vol-1-2002-ford-focus | Sep 23 09:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.funnyordie.com | The Best of Craigslist Vol. 1: 2002 Ford Focus from John Pick and Mike Hoy [ http://ur1.ca/fo5kf ] | Sep 23 09:08 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Sep 23 09:43 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Used car prices have gone crazy. | Sep 23 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | The best deal I found for $3,000 was a 2002 Ford Focus with 115,000 miles on it. | Sep 23 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | They have vehicles under $3,000, but they're not anything you'd want to drive. | Sep 23 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | Things have changed alot in 8 years. :( | Sep 23 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | The US is becoming more like Mexico with wages, and more like Europe with prices. | Sep 23 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail/photos/multiPhotoPopup.jsp?paId=523425678&tracktype=usedcc&aff=national#0 | Sep 23 10:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cars.com | Vehicle Photo: 1999 Ford Windstar SE [ http://ur1.ca/fo6ce ] | Sep 23 10:17 |
| *DaemonFC would consider this, but there are a couple red flags. | Sep 23 10:17 | |
| DaemonFC | #1: There's some rust on it. #2: There's a trailer hitch, which means it has been used to haul a trailer. | Sep 23 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | That's really hard on the transmission. | Sep 23 10:17 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/S1Lir8d.jpg | Sep 23 10:26 |
| MinceR | http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid | Sep 23 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ccc.de | CCC | Chaos Computer Club breaks Apple TouchID [ http://ur1.ca/fnxgx ] | Sep 23 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083666492796928 | Sep 23 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: iOS 7 http://t.co/IJZiCQkhEn | Sep 23 11:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083515216842752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382079161361526784 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382075206325792768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382068907953381376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382065259617734656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382060735024877568 | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: KDE Enters the Era of 5 http://t.co/m0bONSkmaE #kde #qt #nokia #gnu #linux | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | KDE Enters the Era of 5 | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SUSE Drops #LibreOffice Backing http://t.co/a4t9qNStRc #suse #odf #tdf | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | SUSE Drops LibreOffice Backing | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Copying Apple’s Graphics, Not Apple’s Business and User Experience http://t.co/3kbjUvRRJV #apple #gnu #linux | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Copying Apple’s Graphics, Not Apple’s Business and User Experience | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Site ‘Patent Progress’ Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents http://t.co/EyNjYqG6kQ #swpats #patent | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Site ‘Patent Progress’ Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop http://t.co/uUyeDinf3l #BodhiLinux #gnu #linux | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fedora is Deprecating Yum http://t.co/AkLC9Xy1mm #fedora #redhat #yum #gnu #linux | Sep 23 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Fedora is Deprecating Yum | Techrights | Sep 23 11:08 |
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| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2296172/linkedin-denies-it-hacked-user-accounts | Sep 23 12:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Linkedin denies it hacked user accounts- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fo7io ] | Sep 23 12:11 |
| iophk | "We do not access your email account without your permission" | Sep 23 12:12 |
| iophk | but how much do they trick to get that "permission" ? | Sep 23 12:12 |
| iophk | These people probably missed a checkbox after some obscure TOS change | Sep 23 12:13 |
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| iophk | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/hardware/Nokia-cant-license-brand-name-post-Microsoft-deal/articleshow/22930933.cms | Sep 23 12:40 |
| iophk | "If shareholders of Nokia disapprove the deal, then Nokia will have to pay about USD 51 million as damages to Microsoft." | Sep 23 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | timesofindia.indiatimes.com | Nokia can't license brand name post Microsoft deal - The Times of India [ http://ur1.ca/fo7u8 ] | Sep 23 12:40 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I like that shareholder blackmail. | Sep 23 12:41 |
| iophk | Yep, it was set up carefully | Sep 23 12:41 |
| oiaohm | iophk: or foolishly. | Sep 23 12:42 |
| iophk | Elop set it up | Sep 23 12:42 |
| iophk | the mole | Sep 23 12:42 |
| iophk | If Nokia can be rid of him and still not go through with the sale, it might be worth the money. | Sep 23 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Nokia is fairly much done. | Sep 23 12:43 |
| iophk | There's really nothing left, not even a headquarters. | Sep 23 12:43 |
| iophk | That was sold a while ago to hid losses. | Sep 23 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Development team is a at jolla. | Sep 23 12:43 |
| iophk | Jolla and Newkia | Sep 23 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Newkia ?? | Sep 23 12:44 |
| iophk | Jolla has opened another round of pre-orders | Sep 23 12:44 |
| iophk | Newkia had the bad timing to make its press release on the same day as the sale was announced. | Sep 23 12:44 |
| iophk | http://www.phonearena.com/news/Newkia-a-Nokia-on-Android_id47230 | Sep 23 12:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.phonearena.com | Newkia: a Nokia on Android [ http://ur1.ca/fo7v7 ] | Sep 23 12:44 |
| iophk | It's also former Nokia talent but with Android rather than Meego | Sep 23 12:45 |
| iophk | Those that are left at Nokia have big black spot on their resumes | Sep 23 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Ok another nokia fragment. | Sep 23 12:46 |
| oiaohm | This fairly much ruins MS aquirement plan. | Sep 23 12:46 |
| iophk | we can hope so. | Sep 23 12:46 |
| iophk | I'm more interested inthe Jolla because of Meego | Sep 23 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Nokia case designers making android devices could make some really nice machines. | Sep 23 12:48 |
| iophk | Yes, Nokia handsets were the best for many years. | Sep 23 12:48 |
| iophk | Newkia had something about keeping facilities in Finland. | Sep 23 12:48 |
| iophk | Top quality engineers are quite cheap in Finland compared to other countries. | Sep 23 12:49 |
| iophk | At least fora while. | Sep 23 12:49 |
| iophk | M$ has turned its eyes to the schools and universities around the world. | Sep 23 12:49 |
| oiaohm | M$ wants control of schools. | Sep 23 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Always had. | Sep 23 12:51 |
| oiaohm | MS has less control today of schools than 5 years ago. | Sep 23 12:51 |
| iophk | But more of universities. | Sep 23 12:52 |
| oiaohm | More universities are having Linux machines doing stuff. | Sep 23 12:53 |
| iophk | Yes, it is starting to come back in some areas. | Sep 23 12:53 |
| iophk | But they are having to displace M$ which wasn't a problem 15 years ago | Sep 23 12:53 |
| iophk | One drawback to Newkia is that the head is too soft on Elop and Window Phone. | Sep 23 12:54 |
| iophk | Tomi Ahonen had already ripped those to shreds | Sep 23 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Never be sure. | Sep 23 12:55 |
| oiaohm | There is a old saying one bitten twice shy. | Sep 23 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Tomi Ahonen might have some key experince from following a mole like ELop. | Sep 23 12:55 |
| oiaohm | iophk: 15 years ago Linux did not have the support of video card makers. | Sep 23 13:00 |
| iophk | No, but it was common in universities compared to now and M$ had not dug in. IT depts were skeptical to, if not downright hostile to, M$ garbage. They had actually looked past the marketing back then. | Sep 23 13:01 |
| iophk | Now most IT depts serve as first line of marketing for M$ | Sep 23 13:01 |
| oiaohm | There are still a lot of IT depmartments hostile to Microsoft. | Sep 23 13:03 |
| iophk | Those that have been able to retain experienced staff, yes. | Sep 23 13:03 |
| iophk | It goes one of two way. Either they learn from experience and hate it. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Not really, | Sep 23 13:04 |
| oiaohm | any univeristy running a cluster needs Linux staff. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| iophk | Or they hop on the treadmill and become part of the problem without actually learning about IT. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| iophk | I've seen presentations where students and faculty outsourced it to Amazon. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Linux embed it way into one market Microsoft embedded into another. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| iophk | It's expensive. | Sep 23 13:04 |
| iophk | M$ can't compete in embedded. | Sep 23 13:05 |
| iophk | They have nothing | Sep 23 13:05 |
| iophk | But that won't stop some people from trying. | Sep 23 13:05 |
| oiaohm | MS embed in the desktop market. | Sep 23 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Linux is embed in the super computer market. | Sep 23 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Both very hard to dig out of their home markets. | Sep 23 13:05 |
| iophk | supercomputer, server, mobile, and embedded systems. | Sep 23 13:06 |
| iophk | M$ still owns the OEMs | Sep 23 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Sep 23 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Really OEM are getting less and less hooked up on MS | Sep 23 13:06 |
| iophk | Muktware had an interview with Linus Torvalds and he acknowledged the barrier. | Sep 23 13:06 |
| iophk | Pre-installs are needed to gain the desktop. | Sep 23 13:06 |
| oiaohm | The barrier is double. | Sep 23 13:06 |
| oiaohm | From Windows desktop to Linux desktop is one hell of a jump. | Sep 23 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Windows Desktop to Android to Linux full desktop is a fair lighter jump. | Sep 23 13:07 |
| iophk | From Meego, the jump is shorter. | Sep 23 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Even chromebook in middle is lighter jump. | Sep 23 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Basially Linux has not been ready to go after the desktop. | Sep 23 13:08 |
| oiaohm | wayland and KMS and other key techs is getting Linux ready. | Sep 23 13:08 |
| iophk | Nvidia and ATI could be more helpful with the drivers, too | Sep 23 13:08 |
| oiaohm | We need Nvidia and ATI to unwind there drivers from X11. | Sep 23 13:08 |
| oiaohm | X11 is toxic hazard. | Sep 23 13:08 |
| iophk | X11 is too crufty | Sep 23 13:09 |
| iophk | The work on Wayland has been long over due. | Sep 23 13:09 |
| MinceR | no it's not | Sep 23 13:09 |
| iophk | A re-write has been needed. | Sep 23 13:09 |
| MinceR | and GNU/Linux was continually far more ready for the desktop than either windows or os x for several years | Sep 23 13:09 |
| iophk | Yes, in the late 90's Linux was ahead. | Sep 23 13:10 |
| iophk | technically | Sep 23 13:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really the secuirty flaws of X11 are very extream. | Sep 23 13:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to play the card of a good secure desktop we need X11 gone. | Sep 23 13:10 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: only if you expose it to other hosts | Sep 23 13:10 |
| MinceR | which is not necessary | Sep 23 13:10 |
| MinceR | and not done by default | Sep 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Even running locally. | Sep 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: take password on screensaver. | Sep 23 13:11 |
| MinceR | afaik other windowing systems have the same issues | Sep 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: every screensaver has it own implemetnation under X11. | Sep 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: OS X and Windows no they don't have this fault. | Sep 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: crashing screen saver under Linux can unlock desktop. | Sep 23 13:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: again due to X11. | Sep 23 13:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: X11 long stack of secuirty bugs. | Sep 23 13:12 |
| MinceR | then you could use vlock | Sep 23 13:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: other than nvidia and ati closed source drivers baffing due to X11 dependance. | Sep 23 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes everything dependant on X11 results in key things like vlock not working. | Sep 23 13:13 |
| MinceR | i thought vlock worked :> | Sep 23 13:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: with open soruce drivers it does. | Sep 23 13:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wayland was started because it become very clear X11 is unable to be fixed. | Sep 23 13:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that was suspect with the start of ywindows and direct-fb. | Sep 23 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Also Linux killing off framebuffer and restricting to KMS and DRI is also cleaning up the video stack. | Sep 23 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Linux world has been far to split minded for far too long. | Sep 23 13:18 |
| iophk | low key : http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-6.3 | Sep 23 13:19 |
| iophk | At least Firefox gets a mention: | Sep 23 14:09 |
| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242570/Security_org_raises_Internet_threat_level_after_seeing_expanded_IE_attacks | Sep 23 14:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com | Security org raises Internet threat level after seeing expanded IE attacks - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fo8p1 ] | Sep 23 14:09 |
| iophk | but only removal of Windows will remove IE completely | Sep 23 14:09 |
| oiaohm | iophk: that is not exactly true. | Sep 23 14:12 |
| oiaohm | iophk: but once you have fully remoed IE from Windows it is fairly much broken. | Sep 23 14:12 |
| iophk | more broken :) | Sep 23 14:14 |
| oiaohm | iophk: wizards and particular help files go buy buy. | Sep 23 14:17 |
| MinceR | http://www.androidauthority.com/fingerprints-and-security-272092/ | Sep 23 14:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.androidauthority.com | Why fingerprints shouldn't be used for security - Android Authority [ http://ur1.ca/fo95b ] | Sep 23 14:54 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR yep finger prints are the worst kind of biometrics blood vessels inside hand are far harder to copy. | Sep 23 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes its too simple to get someones finger print. | Sep 23 15:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.biometrics.gov/Documents/vascularpatternrec.pdf This tech. | Sep 23 15:27 |
| oiaohm | Normal finger print scanning patents are expired. | Sep 23 15:28 |
| oiaohm | The good stuff maker has to pay some money. | Sep 23 15:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 23 15:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically apple used obsolete tech. | Sep 23 15:33 |
| MinceR | i prefer passphrase+token | Sep 23 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Some finger print scanners in laptops are not finger printer scanners but vascular pattern scanners. | Sep 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | So compact secure biometric scanner for fingers do exist. | Sep 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Yes vascular pattern scanners do have the advatnage cut off finger it don't work. | Sep 23 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | iophk: can Nokia be safe? | Sep 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Can the news be overturned? | Sep 23 17:30 |
| iophk | No. It died under Elop. | Sep 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | I think Nokia was to be almost sold at $40bn some years ago | Sep 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Then the mole took over | Sep 23 17:30 |
| iophk | At least the phones did. | Sep 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | and drove down the cost while all the patents got passed to Microsoft's trolls of choice | Sep 23 17:30 |
| iophk | A few years before the mole it was around 200 billion or something like that. | Sep 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is clever.. at killing companies | Sep 23 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo is no lnger even a search cob tender | Sep 23 17:31 |
| iophk | The patents are licensed for 10 years at a low rate. | Sep 23 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Now it's a two-horse race, and the number two, yahoo, is defunct for search | Sep 23 17:31 |
| iophk | Only about 3.79 billion was for the handsets, a steal. | Sep 23 17:31 |
| iophk | iphone vs android | Sep 23 17:31 |
| iophk | Jolla might reinvigorate Meego. | Sep 23 17:31 |
| iophk | I think that's what M$ was really afraid of. | Sep 23 17:32 |
| MinceR | yahoo is a m$ front | Sep 23 17:32 |
| iophk | Yes it is | Sep 23 17:32 |
| iophk | even if Mayer is in the news a lot. | Sep 23 17:32 |
| iophk | Icahn | Sep 23 17:32 |
| iophk | Icahn gutted it. | Sep 23 17:32 |
| schestowitz | the ms effect | Sep 23 17:33 |
| iophk | Then the UI just shunts searches to Bong | Sep 23 17:33 |
| iophk | M$ Effect == sour grapes | Sep 23 17:33 |
| iophk | M$ sucks, thus all IT sucks, therefore it is not worth testing Apple or Linux | Sep 23 17:34 |
| iophk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-22EpQOm8c | Sep 23 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | South Park Mac vs. PC vs. Linux - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/foal1 ] | Sep 23 17:35 |
| iophk | That's out of date, video editing is now possible on Linux and games are starting to come in, too, maybe big time. | Sep 23 17:36 |
| iophk | I never really understood South Park. The first times I saw it, it was the same unfunny episode and the animation looked like it was done with presentation graphics. | Sep 23 17:38 |
| MinceR | i don't remember any unfunny episodes | Sep 23 17:43 |
| iophk | The more recent episodes of the Simpsons are unfunny. They are just disjoint, non-sequitors bound together only by virtue of being in the same episode. | Sep 23 17:53 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen much of simpsons yet | Sep 23 17:56 |
| MinceR | i've found that south park managed to be funny even when they misunderstood their subject matter | Sep 23 17:57 |
| iophk | I had bad luck with random samples then. | Sep 23 17:57 |
| iophk | http://www.mobileworldlive.com/politicians-speak-elop-payoff | Sep 23 18:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mobileworldlive.com | Politicians speak out against Elop payoff | Mobile World LiveMobile World Live [ http://ur1.ca/fob4j ] | Sep 23 18:20 |
| iophk | The board chose him and his activities. They are complicit and share the blame. | Sep 23 18:20 |
| iophk | There is nothing left except the cleanup. The fines for not going through with the contract might be tolerable if Elop goes away anyway and takes some of the board with him. But even if that were to happen, there is nothing left of Nokia and rebuilding the mobile phones division would almost be starting from scratch. Starting clean would actually be an advantage over the current situation where Elop has been able to place M$ people in management po | Sep 23 18:22 |
| iophk | Many of the articles still get the purchase price wrong. It was no more than 3.79 | Sep 23 18:23 |
| iophk | http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/26654/Finnish_government_attacks_Elops_16m_pay-off.aspx | Sep 23 18:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mobiletoday.co.uk | Mobile Today | Finnish government attacks Elop's £16m pay-off [ http://ur1.ca/fob5r ] | Sep 23 18:23 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/valve-announces-linux-based-steamos-as-basis-for-living-room-gaming/ | Sep 23 18:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Valve announces Linux-based “SteamOS” as basis for living room gaming | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fobbv ] | Sep 23 18:40 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/mega-relives-megaupload-fame-overtakes-rapidshare-130922/ | Sep 23 18:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Mega Relives Megaupload Fame, Overtakes RapidShare | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fobc3 ] | Sep 23 18:41 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/what-if-verizon-succeeds-in-killing-the-internet-227175 | Sep 23 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | What if Verizon succeeds in killing the Internet? | Data Center - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fobd8 ] | Sep 23 18:45 |
| MinceR | build another one | Sep 23 18:46 |
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| iophk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/mpaa-school-propaganda/ | Sep 23 18:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Downloading Is Mean! Content Industry Drafts Anti-Piracy Curriculum for Elementary Schools | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/foai1 ] | Sep 23 18:59 |
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| iophk | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/23/1722253/link-rot-and-the-us-supreme-court | Sep 23 19:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Link Rot and the US Supreme Court - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fobuz ] | Sep 23 19:40 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/09/23/a-tale-of-two-british-schools-and-gnulinux/ | Sep 23 21:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | A Tale Of Two British Schools And GNU/Linux | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/focmp ] | Sep 23 21:01 |
| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/now-we-know-why-nokias-elop-had-a-25m-personal-bonus-clause-from-the-nokia-board-if-he-was-able-to-s.html | Sep 23 21:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Now We Know Why - Nokia's Elop had a $25M personal bonus clause from the Nokia Board if he was able to sell the handset unit to Microsoft [ http://ur1.ca/focnz ] | Sep 23 21:06 |
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| Sosumi | with M$ announcing a new surface pro | Sep 23 22:24 |
| Sosumi | I wander if they'll issue a windows tax refund on their own (outsourced) hardware | Sep 23 22:25 |
| MinceR | not if they can help it | Sep 23 22:26 |
| Sosumi | actually I've never successfully managed to get a refund | Sep 23 22:26 |
| Sosumi | so I ended up returning the machines | Sep 23 22:27 |
| Sosumi | since I basically didn't need a laptop anyways | Sep 23 22:27 |
| Sosumi | but no luck with compaq, toshiba and asus | Sep 23 22:27 |
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| MinceR | gn | Sep 23 23:44 |
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| sebsebseb | hi\ | Sep 23 23:50 |
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| schestowitz_mob | >> | Sep 22 15:43 |
| schestowitz_mob | > | Sep 22 15:43 |
| schestowitz_mob | > | Sep 22 15:43 |
| schestowitz_mob | > I think the theory goes, he can say whatever pro-fascist crap he likes, | Sep 22 15:43 |
| schestowitz_mob | > because EX SOVIET OMG | Sep 22 15:44 |
| schestowitz_mob | > | Sep 22 15:44 |
| schestowitz_mob | > Let's assume an alternate universe where Kasparov beat out Vlad K.G.B. | Sep 22 15:44 |
| schestowitz_mob | > Putin and turned Russia into a Hobbesian libertarian paradise. Not much | Sep 22 15:44 |
| schestowitz_mob | > would change, it's already Hobbesian... | Sep 22 15:44 |
| schestowitz_mob | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3095526 | Sep 22 15:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @linux@joindiaspora.com: The Fall, Story Driven Exploration Game, Could Arrive on Linux in 2014 http://www.extremeta.com/fall-story-driven-exploration-game-arrive-linux-2014/402 | Sep 22 15:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.extremeta.com | The Fall, Story Driven Exploration Game, Could Arrive on Linux in 2014 | eXtremeta [ http://ur1.ca/fnxxu ] | Sep 22 15:45 |
| schestowitz_mob | "Thanks for the link. Here's mine: FRONTIERS - exploration driven exploration game will arrive on Linux in 2014." | Sep 22 15:45 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2990144/posts | Sep 23 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Ive heard that once an air bag deploys, the cost of replacement is prohibitive. That can easily total a car that has very little damage." | Sep 23 00:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.freerepublic.com | Why used cars are scarce - and expensive [ http://ur1.ca/fo3eo ] | Sep 23 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | True. | Sep 23 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | It's legal to sell cars where the airbag deployed, so you can get one for very little money if you don't mind the fact that you have no airbags. | Sep 23 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | "My son-in-law is a used car salesman. Cash for clunkers nearly wiped out the industry........." | Sep 23 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | Cash For Clunkers is definitely one reason why the used car market is so tight now. | Sep 23 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | Tons of perfectly good vehicles were destroyed thanks to that. | Sep 23 01:00 |
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| iophk | http://rt.com/politics/russia-tor-anonymizer-ban-571/ | Sep 23 03:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fo584 ] | Sep 23 03:38 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Used car prices have gone crazy. | Sep 23 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | The best deal I found for $3,000 was a 2002 Ford Focus with 115,000 miles on it. | Sep 23 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | They have vehicles under $3,000, but they're not anything you'd want to drive. | Sep 23 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | Things have changed alot in 8 years. :( | Sep 23 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | The US is becoming more like Mexico with wages, and more like Europe with prices. | Sep 23 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail/photos/multiPhotoPopup.jsp?paId=523425678&tracktype=usedcc&aff=national#0 | Sep 23 05:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cars.com | Vehicle Photo: 1999 Ford Windstar SE [ http://ur1.ca/fo6ce ] | Sep 23 05:17 |
| *DaemonFC would consider this, but there are a couple red flags. | Sep 23 05:17 | |
| DaemonFC | #1: There's some rust on it. #2: There's a trailer hitch, which means it has been used to haul a trailer. | Sep 23 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | That's really hard on the transmission. | Sep 23 05:17 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/S1Lir8d.jpg | Sep 23 05:26 |
| MinceR | http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid | Sep 23 05:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ccc.de | CCC | Chaos Computer Club breaks Apple TouchID [ http://ur1.ca/fnxgx ] | Sep 23 05:28 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083666492796928 | Sep 23 06:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: iOS 7 http://t.co/IJZiCQkhEn | Sep 23 06:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083515216842752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382079161361526784 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382075206325792768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382068907953381376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382065259617734656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382060735024877568 | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: KDE Enters the Era of 5 http://t.co/m0bONSkmaE #kde #qt #nokia #gnu #linux | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | KDE Enters the Era of 5 | Techrights | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SUSE Drops #LibreOffice Backing http://t.co/a4t9qNStRc #suse #odf #tdf | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | SUSE Drops LibreOffice Backing | Techrights | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Copying Apples Graphics, Not Apples Business and User Experience http://t.co/3kbjUvRRJV #apple #gnu #linux | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Copying Apples Graphics, Not Apples Business and User Experience | Techrights | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Site Patent Progress Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents http://t.co/EyNjYqG6kQ #swpats #patent | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Site Patent Progress Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents | Techrights | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop http://t.co/uUyeDinf3l #BodhiLinux #gnu #linux | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop | Techrights | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fedora is Deprecating Yum http://t.co/AkLC9Xy1mm #fedora #redhat #yum #gnu #linux | Sep 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Fedora is Deprecating Yum | Techrights | Sep 23 06:08 |
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| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2296172/linkedin-denies-it-hacked-user-accounts | Sep 23 07:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Linkedin denies it hacked user accounts- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fo7io ] | Sep 23 07:11 |
| iophk | "We do not access your email account without your permission" | Sep 23 07:12 |
| iophk | but how much do they trick to get that "permission" ? | Sep 23 07:12 |
| iophk | These people probably missed a checkbox after some obscure TOS change | Sep 23 07:13 |
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| iophk | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/hardware/Nokia-cant-license-brand-name-post-Microsoft-deal/articleshow/22930933.cms | Sep 23 07:40 |
| iophk | "If shareholders of Nokia disapprove the deal, then Nokia will have to pay about USD 51 million as damages to Microsoft." | Sep 23 07:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | timesofindia.indiatimes.com | Nokia can't license brand name post Microsoft deal - The Times of India [ http://ur1.ca/fo7u8 ] | Sep 23 07:40 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I like that shareholder blackmail. | Sep 23 07:41 |
| iophk | Yep, it was set up carefully | Sep 23 07:41 |
| oiaohm | iophk: or foolishly. | Sep 23 07:42 |
| iophk | Elop set it up | Sep 23 07:42 |
| iophk | the mole | Sep 23 07:42 |
| iophk | If Nokia can be rid of him and still not go through with the sale, it might be worth the money. | Sep 23 07:42 |
| oiaohm | Nokia is fairly much done. | Sep 23 07:43 |
| iophk | There's really nothing left, not even a headquarters. | Sep 23 07:43 |
| iophk | That was sold a while ago to hid losses. | Sep 23 07:43 |
| oiaohm | Development team is a at jolla. | Sep 23 07:43 |
| iophk | Jolla and Newkia | Sep 23 07:43 |
| oiaohm | Newkia ?? | Sep 23 07:44 |
| iophk | Jolla has opened another round of pre-orders | Sep 23 07:44 |
| iophk | Newkia had the bad timing to make its press release on the same day as the sale was announced. | Sep 23 07:44 |
| iophk | http://www.phonearena.com/news/Newkia-a-Nokia-on-Android_id47230 | Sep 23 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.phonearena.com | Newkia: a Nokia on Android [ http://ur1.ca/fo7v7 ] | Sep 23 07:44 |
| iophk | It's also former Nokia talent but with Android rather than Meego | Sep 23 07:45 |
| iophk | Those that are left at Nokia have big black spot on their resumes | Sep 23 07:45 |
| oiaohm | Ok another nokia fragment. | Sep 23 07:46 |
| oiaohm | This fairly much ruins MS aquirement plan. | Sep 23 07:46 |
| iophk | we can hope so. | Sep 23 07:46 |
| iophk | I'm more interested inthe Jolla because of Meego | Sep 23 07:46 |
| oiaohm | Nokia case designers making android devices could make some really nice machines. | Sep 23 07:48 |
| iophk | Yes, Nokia handsets were the best for many years. | Sep 23 07:48 |
| iophk | Newkia had something about keeping facilities in Finland. | Sep 23 07:48 |
| iophk | Top quality engineers are quite cheap in Finland compared to other countries. | Sep 23 07:49 |
| iophk | At least fora while. | Sep 23 07:49 |
| iophk | M$ has turned its eyes to the schools and universities around the world. | Sep 23 07:49 |
| oiaohm | M$ wants control of schools. | Sep 23 07:51 |
| oiaohm | Always had. | Sep 23 07:51 |
| oiaohm | MS has less control today of schools than 5 years ago. | Sep 23 07:51 |
| iophk | But more of universities. | Sep 23 07:52 |
| oiaohm | More universities are having Linux machines doing stuff. | Sep 23 07:53 |
| iophk | Yes, it is starting to come back in some areas. | Sep 23 07:53 |
| iophk | But they are having to displace M$ which wasn't a problem 15 years ago | Sep 23 07:53 |
| iophk | One drawback to Newkia is that the head is too soft on Elop and Window Phone. | Sep 23 07:54 |
| iophk | Tomi Ahonen had already ripped those to shreds | Sep 23 07:54 |
| oiaohm | Never be sure. | Sep 23 07:55 |
| oiaohm | There is a old saying one bitten twice shy. | Sep 23 07:55 |
| oiaohm | Tomi Ahonen might have some key experince from following a mole like ELop. | Sep 23 07:55 |
| oiaohm | iophk: 15 years ago Linux did not have the support of video card makers. | Sep 23 08:00 |
| iophk | No, but it was common in universities compared to now and M$ had not dug in. IT depts were skeptical to, if not downright hostile to, M$ garbage. They had actually looked past the marketing back then. | Sep 23 08:01 |
| iophk | Now most IT depts serve as first line of marketing for M$ | Sep 23 08:01 |
| oiaohm | There are still a lot of IT depmartments hostile to Microsoft. | Sep 23 08:03 |
| iophk | Those that have been able to retain experienced staff, yes. | Sep 23 08:03 |
| iophk | It goes one of two way. Either they learn from experience and hate it. | Sep 23 08:04 |
| oiaohm | Not really, | Sep 23 08:04 |
| oiaohm | any univeristy running a cluster needs Linux staff. | Sep 23 08:04 |
| iophk | Or they hop on the treadmill and become part of the problem without actually learning about IT. | Sep 23 08:04 |
| iophk | I've seen presentations where students and faculty outsourced it to Amazon. | Sep 23 08:04 |
| oiaohm | Linux embed it way into one market Microsoft embedded into another. | Sep 23 08:04 |
| iophk | It's expensive. | Sep 23 08:04 |
| iophk | M$ can't compete in embedded. | Sep 23 08:05 |
| iophk | They have nothing | Sep 23 08:05 |
| iophk | But that won't stop some people from trying. | Sep 23 08:05 |
| oiaohm | MS embed in the desktop market. | Sep 23 08:05 |
| oiaohm | Linux is embed in the super computer market. | Sep 23 08:05 |
| oiaohm | Both very hard to dig out of their home markets. | Sep 23 08:05 |
| iophk | supercomputer, server, mobile, and embedded systems. | Sep 23 08:06 |
| iophk | M$ still owns the OEMs | Sep 23 08:06 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Sep 23 08:06 |
| oiaohm | Really OEM are getting less and less hooked up on MS | Sep 23 08:06 |
| iophk | Muktware had an interview with Linus Torvalds and he acknowledged the barrier. | Sep 23 08:06 |
| iophk | Pre-installs are needed to gain the desktop. | Sep 23 08:06 |
| oiaohm | The barrier is double. | Sep 23 08:06 |
| oiaohm | From Windows desktop to Linux desktop is one hell of a jump. | Sep 23 08:06 |
| oiaohm | Windows Desktop to Android to Linux full desktop is a fair lighter jump. | Sep 23 08:07 |
| iophk | From Meego, the jump is shorter. | Sep 23 08:07 |
| oiaohm | Even chromebook in middle is lighter jump. | Sep 23 08:07 |
| oiaohm | Basially Linux has not been ready to go after the desktop. | Sep 23 08:08 |
| oiaohm | wayland and KMS and other key techs is getting Linux ready. | Sep 23 08:08 |
| iophk | Nvidia and ATI could be more helpful with the drivers, too | Sep 23 08:08 |
| oiaohm | We need Nvidia and ATI to unwind there drivers from X11. | Sep 23 08:08 |
| oiaohm | X11 is toxic hazard. | Sep 23 08:08 |
| iophk | X11 is too crufty | Sep 23 08:09 |
| iophk | The work on Wayland has been long over due. | Sep 23 08:09 |
| MinceR | no it's not | Sep 23 08:09 |
| iophk | A re-write has been needed. | Sep 23 08:09 |
| MinceR | and GNU/Linux was continually far more ready for the desktop than either windows or os x for several years | Sep 23 08:09 |
| iophk | Yes, in the late 90's Linux was ahead. | Sep 23 08:10 |
| iophk | technically | Sep 23 08:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really the secuirty flaws of X11 are very extream. | Sep 23 08:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to play the card of a good secure desktop we need X11 gone. | Sep 23 08:10 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: only if you expose it to other hosts | Sep 23 08:10 |
| MinceR | which is not necessary | Sep 23 08:10 |
| MinceR | and not done by default | Sep 23 08:11 |
| oiaohm | Even running locally. | Sep 23 08:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: take password on screensaver. | Sep 23 08:11 |
| MinceR | afaik other windowing systems have the same issues | Sep 23 08:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: every screensaver has it own implemetnation under X11. | Sep 23 08:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: OS X and Windows no they don't have this fault. | Sep 23 08:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: crashing screen saver under Linux can unlock desktop. | Sep 23 08:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: again due to X11. | Sep 23 08:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: X11 long stack of secuirty bugs. | Sep 23 08:12 |
| MinceR | then you could use vlock | Sep 23 08:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: other than nvidia and ati closed source drivers baffing due to X11 dependance. | Sep 23 08:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes everything dependant on X11 results in key things like vlock not working. | Sep 23 08:13 |
| MinceR | i thought vlock worked :> | Sep 23 08:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: with open soruce drivers it does. | Sep 23 08:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wayland was started because it become very clear X11 is unable to be fixed. | Sep 23 08:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that was suspect with the start of ywindows and direct-fb. | Sep 23 08:18 |
| oiaohm | Also Linux killing off framebuffer and restricting to KMS and DRI is also cleaning up the video stack. | Sep 23 08:18 |
| oiaohm | Linux world has been far to split minded for far too long. | Sep 23 08:18 |
| iophk | low key : http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-6.3 | Sep 23 08:19 |
| iophk | At least Firefox gets a mention: | Sep 23 09:09 |
| iophk | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242570/Security_org_raises_Internet_threat_level_after_seeing_expanded_IE_attacks | Sep 23 09:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com | Security org raises Internet threat level after seeing expanded IE attacks - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fo8p1 ] | Sep 23 09:09 |
| iophk | but only removal of Windows will remove IE completely | Sep 23 09:09 |
| oiaohm | iophk: that is not exactly true. | Sep 23 09:12 |
| oiaohm | iophk: but once you have fully remoed IE from Windows it is fairly much broken. | Sep 23 09:12 |
| iophk | more broken :) | Sep 23 09:14 |
| oiaohm | iophk: wizards and particular help files go buy buy. | Sep 23 09:17 |
| MinceR | http://www.androidauthority.com/fingerprints-and-security-272092/ | Sep 23 09:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.androidauthority.com | Why fingerprints shouldn't be used for security - Android Authority [ http://ur1.ca/fo95b ] | Sep 23 09:54 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR yep finger prints are the worst kind of biometrics blood vessels inside hand are far harder to copy. | Sep 23 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes its too simple to get someones finger print. | Sep 23 10:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.biometrics.gov/Documents/vascularpatternrec.pdf This tech. | Sep 23 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Normal finger print scanning patents are expired. | Sep 23 10:28 |
| oiaohm | The good stuff maker has to pay some money. | Sep 23 10:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 23 10:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically apple used obsolete tech. | Sep 23 10:33 |
| MinceR | i prefer passphrase+token | Sep 23 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Some finger print scanners in laptops are not finger printer scanners but vascular pattern scanners. | Sep 23 10:34 |
| oiaohm | So compact secure biometric scanner for fingers do exist. | Sep 23 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Yes vascular pattern scanners do have the advatnage cut off finger it don't work. | Sep 23 10:35 |
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| schestowitz | iophk: can Nokia be safe? | Sep 23 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Can the news be overturned? | Sep 23 12:30 |
| iophk | No. It died under Elop. | Sep 23 12:30 |
| schestowitz | I think Nokia was to be almost sold at $40bn some years ago | Sep 23 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Then the mole took over | Sep 23 12:30 |
| iophk | At least the phones did. | Sep 23 12:30 |
| schestowitz | and drove down the cost while all the patents got passed to Microsoft's trolls of choice | Sep 23 12:30 |
| iophk | A few years before the mole it was around 200 billion or something like that. | Sep 23 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is clever.. at killing companies | Sep 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo is no lnger even a search cob tender | Sep 23 12:31 |
| iophk | The patents are licensed for 10 years at a low rate. | Sep 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Now it's a two-horse race, and the number two, yahoo, is defunct for search | Sep 23 12:31 |
| iophk | Only about 3.79 billion was for the handsets, a steal. | Sep 23 12:31 |
| iophk | iphone vs android | Sep 23 12:31 |
| iophk | Jolla might reinvigorate Meego. | Sep 23 12:31 |
| iophk | I think that's what M$ was really afraid of. | Sep 23 12:32 |
| MinceR | yahoo is a m$ front | Sep 23 12:32 |
| iophk | Yes it is | Sep 23 12:32 |
| iophk | even if Mayer is in the news a lot. | Sep 23 12:32 |
| iophk | Icahn | Sep 23 12:32 |
| iophk | Icahn gutted it. | Sep 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | the ms effect | Sep 23 12:33 |
| iophk | Then the UI just shunts searches to Bong | Sep 23 12:33 |
| iophk | M$ Effect == sour grapes | Sep 23 12:33 |
| iophk | M$ sucks, thus all IT sucks, therefore it is not worth testing Apple or Linux | Sep 23 12:34 |
| iophk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-22EpQOm8c | Sep 23 12:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | South Park Mac vs. PC vs. Linux - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/foal1 ] | Sep 23 12:35 |
| iophk | That's out of date, video editing is now possible on Linux and games are starting to come in, too, maybe big time. | Sep 23 12:36 |
| iophk | I never really understood South Park. The first times I saw it, it was the same unfunny episode and the animation looked like it was done with presentation graphics. | Sep 23 12:38 |
| MinceR | i don't remember any unfunny episodes | Sep 23 12:43 |
| iophk | The more recent episodes of the Simpsons are unfunny. They are just disjoint, non-sequitors bound together only by virtue of being in the same episode. | Sep 23 12:53 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen much of simpsons yet | Sep 23 12:56 |
| MinceR | i've found that south park managed to be funny even when they misunderstood their subject matter | Sep 23 12:57 |
| iophk | I had bad luck with random samples then. | Sep 23 12:57 |
| iophk | http://www.mobileworldlive.com/politicians-speak-elop-payoff | Sep 23 13:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mobileworldlive.com | Politicians speak out against Elop payoff | Mobile World LiveMobile World Live [ http://ur1.ca/fob4j ] | Sep 23 13:20 |
| iophk | The board chose him and his activities. They are complicit and share the blame. | Sep 23 13:20 |
| iophk | There is nothing left except the cleanup. The fines for not going through with the contract might be tolerable if Elop goes away anyway and takes some of the board with him. But even if that were to happen, there is nothing left of Nokia and rebuilding the mobile phones division would almost be starting from scratch. Starting clean would actually be an advantage over the current situation where Elop has been able to place M$ people in management pos | Sep 23 13:22 |
| iophk | Many of the articles still get the purchase price wrong. It was no more than 3.79 | Sep 23 13:23 |
| iophk | http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/26654/Finnish_government_attacks_Elops_16m_pay-off.aspx | Sep 23 13:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mobiletoday.co.uk | Mobile Today | Finnish government attacks Elop's 16m pay-off [ http://ur1.ca/fob5r ] | Sep 23 13:23 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/valve-announces-linux-based-steamos-as-basis-for-living-room-gaming/ | Sep 23 13:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Valve announces Linux-based SteamOS as basis for living room gaming | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fobbv ] | Sep 23 13:40 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/mega-relives-megaupload-fame-overtakes-rapidshare-130922/ | Sep 23 13:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Mega Relives Megaupload Fame, Overtakes RapidShare | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fobc3 ] | Sep 23 13:41 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/what-if-verizon-succeeds-in-killing-the-internet-227175 | Sep 23 13:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | What if Verizon succeeds in killing the Internet? | Data Center - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fobd8 ] | Sep 23 13:45 |
| MinceR | build another one | Sep 23 13:46 |
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| iophk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/mpaa-school-propaganda/ | Sep 23 13:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Downloading Is Mean! Content Industry Drafts Anti-Piracy Curriculum for Elementary Schools | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/foai1 ] | Sep 23 13:59 |
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| iophk | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/23/1722253/link-rot-and-the-us-supreme-court | Sep 23 14:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Link Rot and the US Supreme Court - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fobuz ] | Sep 23 14:40 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/09/23/a-tale-of-two-british-schools-and-gnulinux/ | Sep 23 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | A Tale Of Two British Schools And GNU/Linux | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/focmp ] | Sep 23 16:01 |
| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/now-we-know-why-nokias-elop-had-a-25m-personal-bonus-clause-from-the-nokia-board-if-he-was-able-to-s.html | Sep 23 16:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Now We Know Why - Nokia's Elop had a $25M personal bonus clause from the Nokia Board if he was able to sell the handset unit to Microsoft [ http://ur1.ca/focnz ] | Sep 23 16:06 |
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| Sosumi | with M$ announcing a new surface pro | Sep 23 17:24 |
| Sosumi | I wander if they'll issue a windows tax refund on their own (outsourced) hardware | Sep 23 17:25 |
| MinceR | not if they can help it | Sep 23 17:26 |
| Sosumi | actually I've never successfully managed to get a refund | Sep 23 17:26 |
| Sosumi | so I ended up returning the machines | Sep 23 17:27 |
| Sosumi | since I basically didn't need a laptop anyways | Sep 23 17:27 |
| Sosumi | but no luck with compaq, toshiba and asus | Sep 23 17:27 |
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| MinceR | gn | Sep 23 18:44 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 23 18:50 |
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| DaemonFC | I can't seem to get a car loan. | Sep 23 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Part of me wants to load up my credit cards buying a car and then just not pay the bill. | Sep 23 22:03 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm just praying that my car lasts another year or two. | Sep 23 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | It's already 20 years old. | Sep 23 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | Used car prices have gotten so terrible that I could probably sell it as-is for $1,500. | Sep 23 22:50 |
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