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DaemonFChttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2990144/postsSep 23 05:58
DaemonFC"I’ve heard that once an air bag deploys, the cost of replacement is prohibitive. That can easily “total” a car that has very little damage."Sep 23 05:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.freerepublic.com | Why used cars are scarce - and expensive  [ http://ur1.ca/fo3eo ]Sep 23 05:58
DaemonFCTrue.Sep 23 05:58
DaemonFCIt's legal to sell cars where the airbag deployed, so you can get one for very little money if you don't mind the fact that you have no airbags.Sep 23 05:59
DaemonFC"My son-in-law is a used car salesman. Cash for clunkers nearly wiped out the industry........."Sep 23 06:00
DaemonFCCash For Clunkers is definitely one reason why the used car market is so tight now.Sep 23 06:00
DaemonFCTons of perfectly good vehicles were destroyed thanks to that.Sep 23 06:00
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iophkhttp://rt.com/politics/russia-tor-anonymizer-ban-571/Sep 23 08:38
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fo584 ]Sep 23 08:38
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DaemonFChttp://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3e332130b5/the-best-of-craigslist-vol-1-2002-ford-focusSep 23 09:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.funnyordie.com | The Best of Craigslist Vol. 1: 2002 Ford Focus from John Pick and Mike Hoy  [ http://ur1.ca/fo5kf ]Sep 23 09:08
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MinceRgeekingsSep 23 09:43
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DaemonFCMinceR, Used car prices have gone crazy.Sep 23 10:14
DaemonFCThe best deal I found for $3,000 was a 2002 Ford Focus with 115,000 miles on it.Sep 23 10:14
DaemonFCThey have vehicles under $3,000, but they're not anything you'd want to drive.Sep 23 10:14
DaemonFCThings have changed alot in 8 years. :(Sep 23 10:14
DaemonFCThe US is becoming more like Mexico with wages, and more like Europe with prices.Sep 23 10:16
DaemonFChttp://www.cars.com/go/search/detail/photos/multiPhotoPopup.jsp?paId=523425678&tracktype=usedcc&aff=national#0Sep 23 10:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.cars.com | Vehicle Photo: 1999 Ford Windstar SE  [ http://ur1.ca/fo6ce ]Sep 23 10:17
*DaemonFC would consider this, but there are a couple red flags.Sep 23 10:17
DaemonFC#1: There's some rust on it. #2: There's a trailer hitch, which means it has been used to haul a trailer.Sep 23 10:17
DaemonFCThat's really hard on the transmission.Sep 23 10:17
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/S1Lir8d.jpgSep 23 10:26
MinceRhttp://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchidSep 23 10:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.ccc.de | CCC | Chaos Computer Club breaks Apple TouchID  [ http://ur1.ca/fnxgx ]Sep 23 10:28
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083666492796928Sep 23 11:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: iOS 7 http://t.co/IJZiCQkhEnSep 23 11:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083515216842752  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382079161361526784 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382075206325792768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382068907953381376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382065259617734656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382060735024877568Sep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: KDE Enters the Era of 5  http://t.co/m0bONSkmaE #kde #qt #nokia #gnu #linuxSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | KDE Enters the Era of 5 | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: SUSE Drops #LibreOffice Backing  http://t.co/a4t9qNStRc #suse #odf #tdfSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | SUSE Drops LibreOffice Backing | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Copying Apple’s Graphics, Not Apple’s Business and User Experience http://t.co/3kbjUvRRJV #apple #gnu #linuxSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Copying Apple’s Graphics, Not Apple’s Business and User Experience | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Site ‘Patent Progress’ Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents http://t.co/EyNjYqG6kQ #swpats #patentSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Site ‘Patent Progress’ Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop http://t.co/uUyeDinf3l #BodhiLinux #gnu #linuxSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Fedora is Deprecating Yum  http://t.co/AkLC9Xy1mm #fedora #redhat #yum #gnu #linuxSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Fedora is Deprecating Yum | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
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iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2296172/linkedin-denies-it-hacked-user-accountsSep 23 12:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Linkedin denies it hacked user accounts- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/fo7io ]Sep 23 12:11
iophk"We do not access your email account without your permission" Sep 23 12:12
iophkbut how much do they trick to get that "permission" ?Sep 23 12:12
iophkThese people probably missed a checkbox after some obscure TOS changeSep 23 12:13
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iophkhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/hardware/Nokia-cant-license-brand-name-post-Microsoft-deal/articleshow/22930933.cmsSep 23 12:40
iophk"If shareholders of Nokia disapprove the deal, then Nokia will have to pay about USD 51 million as damages to Microsoft."Sep 23 12:40
TechrightsBot-trtimesofindia.indiatimes.com | Nokia can't license brand name post Microsoft deal - The Times of India  [ http://ur1.ca/fo7u8 ]Sep 23 12:40
oiaohmiophk: I like that shareholder blackmail.Sep 23 12:41
iophkYep, it was set up carefullySep 23 12:41
oiaohmiophk: or foolishly.Sep 23 12:42
iophkElop set it upSep 23 12:42
iophkthe moleSep 23 12:42
iophkIf Nokia can be rid of him and still not go through with the sale, it might be worth the money.Sep 23 12:42
oiaohmNokia is fairly much done.Sep 23 12:43
iophkThere's really nothing left, not even a headquarters.Sep 23 12:43
iophkThat was sold a while ago to hid losses.Sep 23 12:43
oiaohmDevelopment team is a at jolla.Sep 23 12:43
iophkJolla and NewkiaSep 23 12:43
oiaohmNewkia ??Sep 23 12:44
iophkJolla has opened another round of pre-ordersSep 23 12:44
iophkNewkia had the bad timing to make its press release on the same day as the sale was announced.Sep 23 12:44
iophkhttp://www.phonearena.com/news/Newkia-a-Nokia-on-Android_id47230Sep 23 12:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.phonearena.com | Newkia: a Nokia on Android  [ http://ur1.ca/fo7v7 ]Sep 23 12:44
iophkIt's also former Nokia talent but with Android rather than MeegoSep 23 12:45
iophkThose that are left at Nokia have big black spot on their resumesSep 23 12:45
oiaohmOk another nokia fragment.Sep 23 12:46
oiaohmThis fairly much ruins MS aquirement plan.Sep 23 12:46
iophkwe can hope so.Sep 23 12:46
iophkI'm more interested inthe Jolla because of MeegoSep 23 12:46
oiaohmNokia case designers making android devices could make some really nice machines.Sep 23 12:48
iophkYes, Nokia handsets were the best for many years.Sep 23 12:48
iophkNewkia had something about keeping facilities in Finland.Sep 23 12:48
iophkTop quality engineers are quite cheap in Finland compared to other countries.Sep 23 12:49
iophkAt least fora while.Sep 23 12:49
iophkM$ has turned its eyes to the schools and universities around the world.Sep 23 12:49
oiaohmM$ wants control of schools.Sep 23 12:51
oiaohmAlways had.Sep 23 12:51
oiaohmMS has less control today of schools than 5 years ago.Sep 23 12:51
iophkBut more of universities.Sep 23 12:52
oiaohmMore universities are having Linux machines doing stuff.Sep 23 12:53
iophkYes, it is starting to come back in some areas.Sep 23 12:53
iophkBut they are having to displace M$ which wasn't a problem 15 years agoSep 23 12:53
iophkOne drawback to Newkia is that the head is too soft on Elop and Window Phone.Sep 23 12:54
iophkTomi Ahonen had already ripped those to shredsSep 23 12:54
oiaohmNever be sure.Sep 23 12:55
oiaohmThere is a old saying one bitten twice shy.Sep 23 12:55
oiaohmTomi Ahonen might have some key experince from following a mole like ELop.Sep 23 12:55
oiaohmiophk: 15 years ago Linux did not have the support of video card makers.Sep 23 13:00
iophkNo, but it was common in universities compared to now and M$ had not dug in.  IT depts were skeptical to, if not downright hostile to, M$ garbage.  They had actually looked past the marketing back then.Sep 23 13:01
iophkNow most IT depts serve as first line of marketing for M$Sep 23 13:01
oiaohmThere are still a lot of IT depmartments hostile to Microsoft.Sep 23 13:03
iophkThose that have been able to retain experienced staff, yes.Sep 23 13:03
iophkIt goes one of two way.  Either they learn from experience and hate it.Sep 23 13:04
oiaohmNot really,Sep 23 13:04
oiaohmany univeristy running a cluster needs Linux staff.Sep 23 13:04
iophkOr they hop on the treadmill and become part of the problem without actually learning about IT.Sep 23 13:04
iophkI've seen presentations where students and faculty outsourced it to Amazon.Sep 23 13:04
oiaohmLinux embed it way into one market Microsoft embedded into another.Sep 23 13:04
iophkIt's expensive.Sep 23 13:04
iophkM$ can't compete in embedded.Sep 23 13:05
iophkThey have nothingSep 23 13:05
iophkBut that won't stop some people from trying.Sep 23 13:05
oiaohmMS embed in the desktop market.Sep 23 13:05
oiaohmLinux is embed in the super computer market.Sep 23 13:05
oiaohmBoth very hard to dig out of their home markets.Sep 23 13:05
iophksupercomputer, server, mobile, and embedded systems.Sep 23 13:06
iophkM$ still owns the OEMsSep 23 13:06
oiaohmYepSep 23 13:06
oiaohmReally OEM are getting less and less hooked up on MSSep 23 13:06
iophkMuktware had an interview with Linus Torvalds and he acknowledged the barrier.Sep 23 13:06
iophkPre-installs are needed to gain the desktop.Sep 23 13:06
oiaohmThe barrier is double.Sep 23 13:06
oiaohmFrom Windows desktop to Linux desktop is one hell of a jump.Sep 23 13:06
oiaohmWindows Desktop to Android to Linux full desktop is a fair lighter jump.Sep 23 13:07
iophkFrom Meego, the jump is shorter.Sep 23 13:07
oiaohmEven chromebook in middle is lighter jump.Sep 23 13:07
oiaohmBasially Linux has not been ready to go after the desktop.Sep 23 13:08
oiaohmwayland and KMS and other key techs is getting Linux ready.Sep 23 13:08
iophkNvidia and ATI could be more helpful with the drivers, tooSep 23 13:08
oiaohmWe need Nvidia and ATI to unwind there drivers from X11.Sep 23 13:08
oiaohmX11 is toxic hazard.Sep 23 13:08
iophkX11 is too cruftySep 23 13:09
iophkThe work on Wayland has been long over due.Sep 23 13:09
MinceRno it's notSep 23 13:09
iophkA re-write has been needed.Sep 23 13:09
MinceRand GNU/Linux was continually far more ready for the desktop than either windows or os x for several yearsSep 23 13:09
iophkYes, in the late 90's Linux was ahead.Sep 23 13:10
iophktechnicallySep 23 13:10
oiaohmMinceR: really the secuirty flaws of X11 are very extream.Sep 23 13:10
oiaohmMinceR:  to play the card of a good secure desktop we need X11 gone.Sep 23 13:10
MinceRoiaohm: only if you expose it to other hostsSep 23 13:10
MinceRwhich is not necessarySep 23 13:10
MinceRand not done by defaultSep 23 13:11
oiaohmEven running locally.Sep 23 13:11
oiaohmMinceR: take password on screensaver.Sep 23 13:11
MinceRafaik other windowing systems have the same issuesSep 23 13:11
oiaohmMinceR: every screensaver has it own implemetnation under X11.Sep 23 13:11
oiaohmMinceR: OS X and Windows no they don't have this fault.Sep 23 13:11
oiaohmMinceR: crashing screen saver under Linux can unlock desktop.Sep 23 13:12
oiaohmMinceR: again due to X11.Sep 23 13:12
oiaohmMinceR: X11 long stack of secuirty bugs.Sep 23 13:12
MinceRthen you could use vlockSep 23 13:12
oiaohmMinceR: other than nvidia and ati closed source drivers baffing due to X11 dependance.Sep 23 13:13
oiaohmYes everything dependant on X11 results in key things like vlock not working.Sep 23 13:13
MinceRi thought vlock worked :>Sep 23 13:15
oiaohmMinceR: with open soruce drivers it does.Sep 23 13:16
oiaohmMinceR: wayland was started because it become very clear X11 is unable to be fixed.Sep 23 13:17
oiaohmMinceR: that was suspect with the start of ywindows and direct-fb.Sep 23 13:18
oiaohmAlso Linux killing off framebuffer and restricting to KMS and DRI is also cleaning up the video stack.Sep 23 13:18
oiaohmLinux world has been far to split minded for far too long.Sep 23 13:18
iophklow key : http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-6.3Sep 23 13:19
iophkAt least Firefox gets a mention:Sep 23 14:09
iophkhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242570/Security_org_raises_Internet_threat_level_after_seeing_expanded_IE_attacksSep 23 14:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworld.com | Security org raises Internet threat level after seeing expanded IE attacks - Computerworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fo8p1 ]Sep 23 14:09
iophkbut only removal of Windows will remove IE completelySep 23 14:09
oiaohmiophk: that is not exactly true.Sep 23 14:12
oiaohmiophk: but once you have fully remoed IE from Windows it is fairly much broken.Sep 23 14:12
iophkmore broken :)Sep 23 14:14
oiaohmiophk: wizards and particular help files go buy buy.Sep 23 14:17
MinceRhttp://www.androidauthority.com/fingerprints-and-security-272092/Sep 23 14:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.androidauthority.com | Why fingerprints shouldn't be used for security - Android Authority  [ http://ur1.ca/fo95b ]Sep 23 14:54
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oiaohmMinceR yep finger prints are the worst kind of biometrics blood vessels inside hand are far harder to copy.Sep 23 15:26
oiaohmYes its too simple to get someones finger print.Sep 23 15:26
oiaohmMinceR: http://www.biometrics.gov/Documents/vascularpatternrec.pdf  This tech.Sep 23 15:27
oiaohmNormal finger print scanning patents are expired.Sep 23 15:28
oiaohmThe good stuff maker has to pay some money.Sep 23 15:28
MinceR:>Sep 23 15:33
oiaohmMinceR: basically apple used obsolete tech.Sep 23 15:33
MinceRi prefer passphrase+tokenSep 23 15:33
oiaohmSome finger print scanners in laptops are not finger printer scanners but vascular pattern scanners.Sep 23 15:34
oiaohmSo compact secure biometric scanner for fingers do exist.Sep 23 15:34
oiaohmYes vascular pattern scanners do have the advatnage cut off finger it don't work.Sep 23 15:35
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schestowitziophk: can Nokia be safe?Sep 23 17:30
schestowitzCan the news be overturned?Sep 23 17:30
iophkNo.  It died under Elop.Sep 23 17:30
schestowitzI think Nokia was to be almost sold at $40bn some years agoSep 23 17:30
schestowitzThen the mole took overSep 23 17:30
iophkAt least the phones did.Sep 23 17:30
schestowitzand drove down the cost while all the patents got passed to Microsoft's trolls of choiceSep 23 17:30
iophkA few years before the mole it was around 200 billion or something like that.Sep 23 17:30
schestowitzMicrosoft is clever.. at killing companiesSep 23 17:31
schestowitzYahoo is no lnger even a search cob tenderSep 23 17:31
iophkThe patents are licensed for 10 years at a low rate.Sep 23 17:31
schestowitzNow it's a two-horse race, and the number two, yahoo, is defunct for searchSep 23 17:31
iophkOnly about 3.79 billion was for the handsets, a steal.Sep 23 17:31
iophkiphone vs androidSep 23 17:31
iophkJolla might reinvigorate Meego.Sep 23 17:31
iophkI think that's what M$ was really afraid of.Sep 23 17:32
MinceRyahoo is a m$ frontSep 23 17:32
iophkYes it isSep 23 17:32
iophkeven if Mayer is in the news a lot.Sep 23 17:32
iophkIcahnSep 23 17:32
iophkIcahn gutted it.Sep 23 17:32
schestowitzthe ms effectSep 23 17:33
iophkThen the UI just shunts searches to BongSep 23 17:33
iophkM$ Effect == sour grapesSep 23 17:33
iophkM$ sucks, thus all IT sucks, therefore it is not  worth testing Apple or LinuxSep 23 17:34
iophkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-22EpQOm8cSep 23 17:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | South Park Mac vs. PC vs. Linux - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/foal1 ]Sep 23 17:35
iophkThat's out of date, video editing is now possible on Linux and games are starting to come in, too, maybe big time.Sep 23 17:36
iophkI never really understood South Park.  The first times I saw it, it was the same unfunny episode and the animation looked like it was done with presentation graphics.Sep 23 17:38
MinceRi don't remember any unfunny episodesSep 23 17:43
iophkThe more recent episodes of the Simpsons are unfunny.  They are just disjoint, non-sequitors bound together only by virtue of being in the same episode.Sep 23 17:53
MinceRi haven't seen much of simpsons yetSep 23 17:56
MinceRi've found that south park managed to be funny even when they misunderstood their subject matterSep 23 17:57
iophkI had bad luck with random samples then.Sep 23 17:57
iophkhttp://www.mobileworldlive.com/politicians-speak-elop-payoffSep 23 18:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.mobileworldlive.com | Politicians speak out against Elop payoff | Mobile World LiveMobile World Live  [ http://ur1.ca/fob4j ]Sep 23 18:20
iophkThe board chose him and his activities. They are complicit and share the blame.Sep 23 18:20
iophkThere is nothing left except the cleanup.  The fines for not going through with the contract might be tolerable if Elop goes away anyway and takes some of the board with him.  But even if that were to happen, there is nothing left of Nokia and rebuilding the mobile phones division would almost be starting from scratch.  Starting clean would actually be an advantage over the current situation where Elop has been able to place M$ people in management poSep 23 18:22
iophkMany of the articles still get the purchase price wrong.  It was no more than 3.79 Sep 23 18:23
iophkhttp://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/26654/Finnish_government_attacks_Elops_16m_pay-off.aspxSep 23 18:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.mobiletoday.co.uk | Mobile Today | Finnish government attacks Elop's £16m pay-off  [ http://ur1.ca/fob5r ]Sep 23 18:23
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/valve-announces-linux-based-steamos-as-basis-for-living-room-gaming/Sep 23 18:40
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Valve announces Linux-based “SteamOS” as basis for living room gaming | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fobbv ]Sep 23 18:40
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/mega-relives-megaupload-fame-overtakes-rapidshare-130922/Sep 23 18:41
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Mega Relives Megaupload Fame, Overtakes RapidShare | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fobc3 ]Sep 23 18:41
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/what-if-verizon-succeeds-in-killing-the-internet-227175Sep 23 18:45
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | What if Verizon succeeds in killing the Internet? | Data Center - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fobd8 ]Sep 23 18:45
MinceRbuild another oneSep 23 18:46
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/mpaa-school-propaganda/Sep 23 18:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Downloading Is Mean! Content Industry Drafts Anti-Piracy Curriculum for Elementary Schools | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/foai1 ]Sep 23 18:59
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iophkhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/23/1722253/link-rot-and-the-us-supreme-courtSep 23 19:40
TechrightsBot-tryro.slashdot.org | Link Rot and the US Supreme Court - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fobuz ]Sep 23 19:40
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/09/23/a-tale-of-two-british-schools-and-gnulinux/Sep 23 21:01
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | A Tale Of Two British Schools And GNU/Linux  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/focmp ]Sep 23 21:01
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/now-we-know-why-nokias-elop-had-a-25m-personal-bonus-clause-from-the-nokia-board-if-he-was-able-to-s.htmlSep 23 21:06
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Now We Know Why - Nokia's Elop had a $25M personal bonus clause from the Nokia Board if he was able to sell the handset unit to Microsoft  [ http://ur1.ca/focnz ]Sep 23 21:06
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Sosumiwith M$ announcing a new surface proSep 23 22:24
SosumiI wander if they'll issue a windows tax refund on their own (outsourced) hardwareSep 23 22:25
MinceRnot if they can help itSep 23 22:26
Sosumiactually I've never successfully managed to get a refundSep 23 22:26
Sosumiso I ended up returning the machinesSep 23 22:27
Sosumisince I basically didn't need a laptop anywaysSep 23 22:27
Sosumibut no luck with compaq, toshiba and asusSep 23 22:27
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DaemonFChttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2990144/postsSep 23 05:58
DaemonFC"I’ve heard that once an air bag deploys, the cost of replacement is prohibitive. That can easily “total” a car that has very little damage."Sep 23 05:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.freerepublic.com | Why used cars are scarce - and expensive  [ http://ur1.ca/fo3eo ]Sep 23 05:58
DaemonFCTrue.Sep 23 05:58
DaemonFCIt's legal to sell cars where the airbag deployed, so you can get one for very little money if you don't mind the fact that you have no airbags.Sep 23 05:59
DaemonFC"My son-in-law is a used car salesman. Cash for clunkers nearly wiped out the industry........."Sep 23 06:00
DaemonFCCash For Clunkers is definitely one reason why the used car market is so tight now.Sep 23 06:00
DaemonFCTons of perfectly good vehicles were destroyed thanks to that.Sep 23 06:00
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iophkhttp://rt.com/politics/russia-tor-anonymizer-ban-571/Sep 23 08:38
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fo584 ]Sep 23 08:38
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DaemonFChttp://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3e332130b5/the-best-of-craigslist-vol-1-2002-ford-focusSep 23 09:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.funnyordie.com | The Best of Craigslist Vol. 1: 2002 Ford Focus from John Pick and Mike Hoy  [ http://ur1.ca/fo5kf ]Sep 23 09:08
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MinceRgeekingsSep 23 09:43
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DaemonFCMinceR, Used car prices have gone crazy.Sep 23 10:14
DaemonFCThe best deal I found for $3,000 was a 2002 Ford Focus with 115,000 miles on it.Sep 23 10:14
DaemonFCThey have vehicles under $3,000, but they're not anything you'd want to drive.Sep 23 10:14
DaemonFCThings have changed alot in 8 years. :(Sep 23 10:14
DaemonFCThe US is becoming more like Mexico with wages, and more like Europe with prices.Sep 23 10:16
DaemonFChttp://www.cars.com/go/search/detail/photos/multiPhotoPopup.jsp?paId=523425678&tracktype=usedcc&aff=national#0Sep 23 10:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.cars.com | Vehicle Photo: 1999 Ford Windstar SE  [ http://ur1.ca/fo6ce ]Sep 23 10:17
*DaemonFC would consider this, but there are a couple red flags.Sep 23 10:17
DaemonFC#1: There's some rust on it. #2: There's a trailer hitch, which means it has been used to haul a trailer.Sep 23 10:17
DaemonFCThat's really hard on the transmission.Sep 23 10:17
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/S1Lir8d.jpgSep 23 10:26
MinceRhttp://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchidSep 23 10:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.ccc.de | CCC | Chaos Computer Club breaks Apple TouchID  [ http://ur1.ca/fnxgx ]Sep 23 10:28
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083666492796928Sep 23 11:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: iOS 7 http://t.co/IJZiCQkhEnSep 23 11:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083515216842752  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382079161361526784 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382075206325792768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382068907953381376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382065259617734656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382060735024877568Sep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: KDE Enters the Era of 5  http://t.co/m0bONSkmaE #kde #qt #nokia #gnu #linuxSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | KDE Enters the Era of 5 | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: SUSE Drops #LibreOffice Backing  http://t.co/a4t9qNStRc #suse #odf #tdfSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | SUSE Drops LibreOffice Backing | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Copying Apple’s Graphics, Not Apple’s Business and User Experience http://t.co/3kbjUvRRJV #apple #gnu #linuxSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Copying Apple’s Graphics, Not Apple’s Business and User Experience | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Site ‘Patent Progress’ Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents http://t.co/EyNjYqG6kQ #swpats #patentSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Site ‘Patent Progress’ Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop http://t.co/uUyeDinf3l #BodhiLinux #gnu #linuxSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Fedora is Deprecating Yum  http://t.co/AkLC9Xy1mm #fedora #redhat #yum #gnu #linuxSep 23 11:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Fedora is Deprecating Yum | TechrightsSep 23 11:08
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iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2296172/linkedin-denies-it-hacked-user-accountsSep 23 12:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Linkedin denies it hacked user accounts- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/fo7io ]Sep 23 12:11
iophk"We do not access your email account without your permission" Sep 23 12:12
iophkbut how much do they trick to get that "permission" ?Sep 23 12:12
iophkThese people probably missed a checkbox after some obscure TOS changeSep 23 12:13
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iophkhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/hardware/Nokia-cant-license-brand-name-post-Microsoft-deal/articleshow/22930933.cmsSep 23 12:40
iophk"If shareholders of Nokia disapprove the deal, then Nokia will have to pay about USD 51 million as damages to Microsoft."Sep 23 12:40
TechrightsBot-trtimesofindia.indiatimes.com | Nokia can't license brand name post Microsoft deal - The Times of India  [ http://ur1.ca/fo7u8 ]Sep 23 12:40
oiaohmiophk: I like that shareholder blackmail.Sep 23 12:41
iophkYep, it was set up carefullySep 23 12:41
oiaohmiophk: or foolishly.Sep 23 12:42
iophkElop set it upSep 23 12:42
iophkthe moleSep 23 12:42
iophkIf Nokia can be rid of him and still not go through with the sale, it might be worth the money.Sep 23 12:42
oiaohmNokia is fairly much done.Sep 23 12:43
iophkThere's really nothing left, not even a headquarters.Sep 23 12:43
iophkThat was sold a while ago to hid losses.Sep 23 12:43
oiaohmDevelopment team is a at jolla.Sep 23 12:43
iophkJolla and NewkiaSep 23 12:43
oiaohmNewkia ??Sep 23 12:44
iophkJolla has opened another round of pre-ordersSep 23 12:44
iophkNewkia had the bad timing to make its press release on the same day as the sale was announced.Sep 23 12:44
iophkhttp://www.phonearena.com/news/Newkia-a-Nokia-on-Android_id47230Sep 23 12:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.phonearena.com | Newkia: a Nokia on Android  [ http://ur1.ca/fo7v7 ]Sep 23 12:44
iophkIt's also former Nokia talent but with Android rather than MeegoSep 23 12:45
iophkThose that are left at Nokia have big black spot on their resumesSep 23 12:45
oiaohmOk another nokia fragment.Sep 23 12:46
oiaohmThis fairly much ruins MS aquirement plan.Sep 23 12:46
iophkwe can hope so.Sep 23 12:46
iophkI'm more interested inthe Jolla because of MeegoSep 23 12:46
oiaohmNokia case designers making android devices could make some really nice machines.Sep 23 12:48
iophkYes, Nokia handsets were the best for many years.Sep 23 12:48
iophkNewkia had something about keeping facilities in Finland.Sep 23 12:48
iophkTop quality engineers are quite cheap in Finland compared to other countries.Sep 23 12:49
iophkAt least fora while.Sep 23 12:49
iophkM$ has turned its eyes to the schools and universities around the world.Sep 23 12:49
oiaohmM$ wants control of schools.Sep 23 12:51
oiaohmAlways had.Sep 23 12:51
oiaohmMS has less control today of schools than 5 years ago.Sep 23 12:51
iophkBut more of universities.Sep 23 12:52
oiaohmMore universities are having Linux machines doing stuff.Sep 23 12:53
iophkYes, it is starting to come back in some areas.Sep 23 12:53
iophkBut they are having to displace M$ which wasn't a problem 15 years agoSep 23 12:53
iophkOne drawback to Newkia is that the head is too soft on Elop and Window Phone.Sep 23 12:54
iophkTomi Ahonen had already ripped those to shredsSep 23 12:54
oiaohmNever be sure.Sep 23 12:55
oiaohmThere is a old saying one bitten twice shy.Sep 23 12:55
oiaohmTomi Ahonen might have some key experince from following a mole like ELop.Sep 23 12:55
oiaohmiophk: 15 years ago Linux did not have the support of video card makers.Sep 23 13:00
iophkNo, but it was common in universities compared to now and M$ had not dug in.  IT depts were skeptical to, if not downright hostile to, M$ garbage.  They had actually looked past the marketing back then.Sep 23 13:01
iophkNow most IT depts serve as first line of marketing for M$Sep 23 13:01
oiaohmThere are still a lot of IT depmartments hostile to Microsoft.Sep 23 13:03
iophkThose that have been able to retain experienced staff, yes.Sep 23 13:03
iophkIt goes one of two way.  Either they learn from experience and hate it.Sep 23 13:04
oiaohmNot really,Sep 23 13:04
oiaohmany univeristy running a cluster needs Linux staff.Sep 23 13:04
iophkOr they hop on the treadmill and become part of the problem without actually learning about IT.Sep 23 13:04
iophkI've seen presentations where students and faculty outsourced it to Amazon.Sep 23 13:04
oiaohmLinux embed it way into one market Microsoft embedded into another.Sep 23 13:04
iophkIt's expensive.Sep 23 13:04
iophkM$ can't compete in embedded.Sep 23 13:05
iophkThey have nothingSep 23 13:05
iophkBut that won't stop some people from trying.Sep 23 13:05
oiaohmMS embed in the desktop market.Sep 23 13:05
oiaohmLinux is embed in the super computer market.Sep 23 13:05
oiaohmBoth very hard to dig out of their home markets.Sep 23 13:05
iophksupercomputer, server, mobile, and embedded systems.Sep 23 13:06
iophkM$ still owns the OEMsSep 23 13:06
oiaohmYepSep 23 13:06
oiaohmReally OEM are getting less and less hooked up on MSSep 23 13:06
iophkMuktware had an interview with Linus Torvalds and he acknowledged the barrier.Sep 23 13:06
iophkPre-installs are needed to gain the desktop.Sep 23 13:06
oiaohmThe barrier is double.Sep 23 13:06
oiaohmFrom Windows desktop to Linux desktop is one hell of a jump.Sep 23 13:06
oiaohmWindows Desktop to Android to Linux full desktop is a fair lighter jump.Sep 23 13:07
iophkFrom Meego, the jump is shorter.Sep 23 13:07
oiaohmEven chromebook in middle is lighter jump.Sep 23 13:07
oiaohmBasially Linux has not been ready to go after the desktop.Sep 23 13:08
oiaohmwayland and KMS and other key techs is getting Linux ready.Sep 23 13:08
iophkNvidia and ATI could be more helpful with the drivers, tooSep 23 13:08
oiaohmWe need Nvidia and ATI to unwind there drivers from X11.Sep 23 13:08
oiaohmX11 is toxic hazard.Sep 23 13:08
iophkX11 is too cruftySep 23 13:09
iophkThe work on Wayland has been long over due.Sep 23 13:09
MinceRno it's notSep 23 13:09
iophkA re-write has been needed.Sep 23 13:09
MinceRand GNU/Linux was continually far more ready for the desktop than either windows or os x for several yearsSep 23 13:09
iophkYes, in the late 90's Linux was ahead.Sep 23 13:10
iophktechnicallySep 23 13:10
oiaohmMinceR: really the secuirty flaws of X11 are very extream.Sep 23 13:10
oiaohmMinceR:  to play the card of a good secure desktop we need X11 gone.Sep 23 13:10
MinceRoiaohm: only if you expose it to other hostsSep 23 13:10
MinceRwhich is not necessarySep 23 13:10
MinceRand not done by defaultSep 23 13:11
oiaohmEven running locally.Sep 23 13:11
oiaohmMinceR: take password on screensaver.Sep 23 13:11
MinceRafaik other windowing systems have the same issuesSep 23 13:11
oiaohmMinceR: every screensaver has it own implemetnation under X11.Sep 23 13:11
oiaohmMinceR: OS X and Windows no they don't have this fault.Sep 23 13:11
oiaohmMinceR: crashing screen saver under Linux can unlock desktop.Sep 23 13:12
oiaohmMinceR: again due to X11.Sep 23 13:12
oiaohmMinceR: X11 long stack of secuirty bugs.Sep 23 13:12
MinceRthen you could use vlockSep 23 13:12
oiaohmMinceR: other than nvidia and ati closed source drivers baffing due to X11 dependance.Sep 23 13:13
oiaohmYes everything dependant on X11 results in key things like vlock not working.Sep 23 13:13
MinceRi thought vlock worked :>Sep 23 13:15
oiaohmMinceR: with open soruce drivers it does.Sep 23 13:16
oiaohmMinceR: wayland was started because it become very clear X11 is unable to be fixed.Sep 23 13:17
oiaohmMinceR: that was suspect with the start of ywindows and direct-fb.Sep 23 13:18
oiaohmAlso Linux killing off framebuffer and restricting to KMS and DRI is also cleaning up the video stack.Sep 23 13:18
oiaohmLinux world has been far to split minded for far too long.Sep 23 13:18
iophklow key : http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-6.3Sep 23 13:19
iophkAt least Firefox gets a mention:Sep 23 14:09
iophkhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242570/Security_org_raises_Internet_threat_level_after_seeing_expanded_IE_attacksSep 23 14:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworld.com | Security org raises Internet threat level after seeing expanded IE attacks - Computerworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fo8p1 ]Sep 23 14:09
iophkbut only removal of Windows will remove IE completelySep 23 14:09
oiaohmiophk: that is not exactly true.Sep 23 14:12
oiaohmiophk: but once you have fully remoed IE from Windows it is fairly much broken.Sep 23 14:12
iophkmore broken :)Sep 23 14:14
oiaohmiophk: wizards and particular help files go buy buy.Sep 23 14:17
MinceRhttp://www.androidauthority.com/fingerprints-and-security-272092/Sep 23 14:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.androidauthority.com | Why fingerprints shouldn't be used for security - Android Authority  [ http://ur1.ca/fo95b ]Sep 23 14:54
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oiaohmMinceR yep finger prints are the worst kind of biometrics blood vessels inside hand are far harder to copy.Sep 23 15:26
oiaohmYes its too simple to get someones finger print.Sep 23 15:26
oiaohmMinceR: http://www.biometrics.gov/Documents/vascularpatternrec.pdf  This tech.Sep 23 15:27
oiaohmNormal finger print scanning patents are expired.Sep 23 15:28
oiaohmThe good stuff maker has to pay some money.Sep 23 15:28
MinceR:>Sep 23 15:33
oiaohmMinceR: basically apple used obsolete tech.Sep 23 15:33
MinceRi prefer passphrase+tokenSep 23 15:33
oiaohmSome finger print scanners in laptops are not finger printer scanners but vascular pattern scanners.Sep 23 15:34
oiaohmSo compact secure biometric scanner for fingers do exist.Sep 23 15:34
oiaohmYes vascular pattern scanners do have the advatnage cut off finger it don't work.Sep 23 15:35
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schestowitziophk: can Nokia be safe?Sep 23 17:30
schestowitzCan the news be overturned?Sep 23 17:30
iophkNo.  It died under Elop.Sep 23 17:30
schestowitzI think Nokia was to be almost sold at $40bn some years agoSep 23 17:30
schestowitzThen the mole took overSep 23 17:30
iophkAt least the phones did.Sep 23 17:30
schestowitzand drove down the cost while all the patents got passed to Microsoft's trolls of choiceSep 23 17:30
iophkA few years before the mole it was around 200 billion or something like that.Sep 23 17:30
schestowitzMicrosoft is clever.. at killing companiesSep 23 17:31
schestowitzYahoo is no lnger even a search cob tenderSep 23 17:31
iophkThe patents are licensed for 10 years at a low rate.Sep 23 17:31
schestowitzNow it's a two-horse race, and the number two, yahoo, is defunct for searchSep 23 17:31
iophkOnly about 3.79 billion was for the handsets, a steal.Sep 23 17:31
iophkiphone vs androidSep 23 17:31
iophkJolla might reinvigorate Meego.Sep 23 17:31
iophkI think that's what M$ was really afraid of.Sep 23 17:32
MinceRyahoo is a m$ frontSep 23 17:32
iophkYes it isSep 23 17:32
iophkeven if Mayer is in the news a lot.Sep 23 17:32
iophkIcahnSep 23 17:32
iophkIcahn gutted it.Sep 23 17:32
schestowitzthe ms effectSep 23 17:33
iophkThen the UI just shunts searches to BongSep 23 17:33
iophkM$ Effect == sour grapesSep 23 17:33
iophkM$ sucks, thus all IT sucks, therefore it is not  worth testing Apple or LinuxSep 23 17:34
iophkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-22EpQOm8cSep 23 17:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | South Park Mac vs. PC vs. Linux - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/foal1 ]Sep 23 17:35
iophkThat's out of date, video editing is now possible on Linux and games are starting to come in, too, maybe big time.Sep 23 17:36
iophkI never really understood South Park.  The first times I saw it, it was the same unfunny episode and the animation looked like it was done with presentation graphics.Sep 23 17:38
MinceRi don't remember any unfunny episodesSep 23 17:43
iophkThe more recent episodes of the Simpsons are unfunny.  They are just disjoint, non-sequitors bound together only by virtue of being in the same episode.Sep 23 17:53
MinceRi haven't seen much of simpsons yetSep 23 17:56
MinceRi've found that south park managed to be funny even when they misunderstood their subject matterSep 23 17:57
iophkI had bad luck with random samples then.Sep 23 17:57
iophkhttp://www.mobileworldlive.com/politicians-speak-elop-payoffSep 23 18:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.mobileworldlive.com | Politicians speak out against Elop payoff | Mobile World LiveMobile World Live  [ http://ur1.ca/fob4j ]Sep 23 18:20
iophkThe board chose him and his activities. They are complicit and share the blame.Sep 23 18:20
iophkThere is nothing left except the cleanup.  The fines for not going through with the contract might be tolerable if Elop goes away anyway and takes some of the board with him.  But even if that were to happen, there is nothing left of Nokia and rebuilding the mobile phones division would almost be starting from scratch.  Starting clean would actually be an advantage over the current situation where Elop has been able to place M$ people in management poSep 23 18:22
iophkMany of the articles still get the purchase price wrong.  It was no more than 3.79 Sep 23 18:23
iophkhttp://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/26654/Finnish_government_attacks_Elops_16m_pay-off.aspxSep 23 18:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.mobiletoday.co.uk | Mobile Today | Finnish government attacks Elop's £16m pay-off  [ http://ur1.ca/fob5r ]Sep 23 18:23
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/valve-announces-linux-based-steamos-as-basis-for-living-room-gaming/Sep 23 18:40
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Valve announces Linux-based “SteamOS” as basis for living room gaming | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fobbv ]Sep 23 18:40
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/mega-relives-megaupload-fame-overtakes-rapidshare-130922/Sep 23 18:41
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Mega Relives Megaupload Fame, Overtakes RapidShare | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fobc3 ]Sep 23 18:41
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/what-if-verizon-succeeds-in-killing-the-internet-227175Sep 23 18:45
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | What if Verizon succeeds in killing the Internet? | Data Center - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fobd8 ]Sep 23 18:45
MinceRbuild another oneSep 23 18:46
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/mpaa-school-propaganda/Sep 23 18:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Downloading Is Mean! Content Industry Drafts Anti-Piracy Curriculum for Elementary Schools | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/foai1 ]Sep 23 18:59
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iophkhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/23/1722253/link-rot-and-the-us-supreme-courtSep 23 19:40
TechrightsBot-tryro.slashdot.org | Link Rot and the US Supreme Court - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fobuz ]Sep 23 19:40
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/09/23/a-tale-of-two-british-schools-and-gnulinux/Sep 23 21:01
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | A Tale Of Two British Schools And GNU/Linux  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/focmp ]Sep 23 21:01
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/now-we-know-why-nokias-elop-had-a-25m-personal-bonus-clause-from-the-nokia-board-if-he-was-able-to-s.htmlSep 23 21:06
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Now We Know Why - Nokia's Elop had a $25M personal bonus clause from the Nokia Board if he was able to sell the handset unit to Microsoft  [ http://ur1.ca/focnz ]Sep 23 21:06
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Sosumiwith M$ announcing a new surface proSep 23 22:24
SosumiI wander if they'll issue a windows tax refund on their own (outsourced) hardwareSep 23 22:25
MinceRnot if they can help itSep 23 22:26
Sosumiactually I've never successfully managed to get a refundSep 23 22:26
Sosumiso I ended up returning the machinesSep 23 22:27
Sosumisince I basically didn't need a laptop anywaysSep 23 22:27
Sosumibut no luck with compaq, toshiba and asusSep 23 22:27
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THIRD SOURCE:
schestowitz_mob>>Sep 22 15:43
schestowitz_mob> Sep 22 15:43
schestowitz_mob> Sep 22 15:43
schestowitz_mob> I think the theory goes, he can say whatever pro-fascist crap he likes,Sep 22 15:43
schestowitz_mob> because EX SOVIET OMGSep 22 15:44
schestowitz_mob> Sep 22 15:44
schestowitz_mob> Let's assume an alternate universe where Kasparov beat out Vlad K.G.B.Sep 22 15:44
schestowitz_mob> Putin and turned Russia into a Hobbesian libertarian paradise. Not muchSep 22 15:44
schestowitz_mob> would change, it's already Hobbesian...Sep 22 15:44
schestowitz_mobhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3095526Sep 22 15:45
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Fall, Story Driven Exploration Game, Could Arrive on Linux in 2014   http://www.extremeta.com/fall-story-driven-exploration-game-arrive-linux-2014/402Sep 22 15:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.extremeta.com | The Fall, Story Driven Exploration Game, Could Arrive on Linux in 2014 | eXtremeta  [ http://ur1.ca/fnxxu ]Sep 22 15:45
schestowitz_mob"Thanks for the link. Here's mine: FRONTIERS - exploration driven exploration game will arrive on Linux in 2014."Sep 22 15:45
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DaemonFChttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2990144/postsSep 23 00:58
DaemonFC"Ive heard that once an air bag deploys, the cost of replacement is prohibitive. That can easily total a car that has very little damage."Sep 23 00:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.freerepublic.com | Why used cars are scarce - and expensive  [ http://ur1.ca/fo3eo ]Sep 23 00:58
DaemonFCTrue.Sep 23 00:58
DaemonFCIt's legal to sell cars where the airbag deployed, so you can get one for very little money if you don't mind the fact that you have no airbags.Sep 23 00:59
DaemonFC"My son-in-law is a used car salesman. Cash for clunkers nearly wiped out the industry........."Sep 23 01:00
DaemonFCCash For Clunkers is definitely one reason why the used car market is so tight now.Sep 23 01:00
DaemonFCTons of perfectly good vehicles were destroyed thanks to that.Sep 23 01:00
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iophkhttp://rt.com/politics/russia-tor-anonymizer-ban-571/Sep 23 03:38
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fo584 ]Sep 23 03:38
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DaemonFCMinceR, Used car prices have gone crazy.Sep 23 05:14
DaemonFCThe best deal I found for $3,000 was a 2002 Ford Focus with 115,000 miles on it.Sep 23 05:14
DaemonFCThey have vehicles under $3,000, but they're not anything you'd want to drive.Sep 23 05:14
DaemonFCThings have changed alot in 8 years. :(Sep 23 05:14
DaemonFCThe US is becoming more like Mexico with wages, and more like Europe with prices.Sep 23 05:16
DaemonFChttp://www.cars.com/go/search/detail/photos/multiPhotoPopup.jsp?paId=523425678&tracktype=usedcc&aff=national#0Sep 23 05:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.cars.com | Vehicle Photo: 1999 Ford Windstar SE  [ http://ur1.ca/fo6ce ]Sep 23 05:17
*DaemonFC would consider this, but there are a couple red flags.Sep 23 05:17
DaemonFC#1: There's some rust on it. #2: There's a trailer hitch, which means it has been used to haul a trailer.Sep 23 05:17
DaemonFCThat's really hard on the transmission.Sep 23 05:17
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/S1Lir8d.jpgSep 23 05:26
MinceRhttp://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchidSep 23 05:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.ccc.de | CCC | Chaos Computer Club breaks Apple TouchID  [ http://ur1.ca/fnxgx ]Sep 23 05:28
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083666492796928Sep 23 06:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: iOS 7 http://t.co/IJZiCQkhEnSep 23 06:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382083515216842752  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382079161361526784 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382075206325792768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382068907953381376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382065259617734656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/382060735024877568Sep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: KDE Enters the Era of 5  http://t.co/m0bONSkmaE #kde #qt #nokia #gnu #linuxSep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | KDE Enters the Era of 5 | TechrightsSep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: SUSE Drops #LibreOffice Backing  http://t.co/a4t9qNStRc #suse #odf #tdfSep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | SUSE Drops LibreOffice Backing | TechrightsSep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Copying Apples Graphics, Not Apples Business and User Experience http://t.co/3kbjUvRRJV #apple #gnu #linuxSep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Copying Apples Graphics, Not Apples Business and User Experience | TechrightsSep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Site Patent Progress Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents http://t.co/EyNjYqG6kQ #swpats #patentSep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Site Patent Progress Focuses on Patent Trolls, Not Software Patents | TechrightsSep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop http://t.co/uUyeDinf3l #BodhiLinux #gnu #linuxSep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Bodhi Linux 2.4.0 Released: Popular Variant With Enlightenment Desktop | TechrightsSep 23 06:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Fedora is Deprecating Yum  http://t.co/AkLC9Xy1mm #fedora #redhat #yum #gnu #linuxSep 23 06:08
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iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2296172/linkedin-denies-it-hacked-user-accountsSep 23 07:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Linkedin denies it hacked user accounts- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/fo7io ]Sep 23 07:11
iophk"We do not access your email account without your permission" Sep 23 07:12
iophkbut how much do they trick to get that "permission" ?Sep 23 07:12
iophkThese people probably missed a checkbox after some obscure TOS changeSep 23 07:13
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iophkhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/hardware/Nokia-cant-license-brand-name-post-Microsoft-deal/articleshow/22930933.cmsSep 23 07:40
iophk"If shareholders of Nokia disapprove the deal, then Nokia will have to pay about USD 51 million as damages to Microsoft."Sep 23 07:40
TechrightsBot-trtimesofindia.indiatimes.com | Nokia can't license brand name post Microsoft deal - The Times of India  [ http://ur1.ca/fo7u8 ]Sep 23 07:40
oiaohmiophk: I like that shareholder blackmail.Sep 23 07:41
iophkYep, it was set up carefullySep 23 07:41
oiaohmiophk: or foolishly.Sep 23 07:42
iophkElop set it upSep 23 07:42
iophkthe moleSep 23 07:42
iophkIf Nokia can be rid of him and still not go through with the sale, it might be worth the money.Sep 23 07:42
oiaohmNokia is fairly much done.Sep 23 07:43
iophkThere's really nothing left, not even a headquarters.Sep 23 07:43
iophkThat was sold a while ago to hid losses.Sep 23 07:43
oiaohmDevelopment team is a at jolla.Sep 23 07:43
iophkJolla and NewkiaSep 23 07:43
oiaohmNewkia ??Sep 23 07:44
iophkJolla has opened another round of pre-ordersSep 23 07:44
iophkNewkia had the bad timing to make its press release on the same day as the sale was announced.Sep 23 07:44
iophkhttp://www.phonearena.com/news/Newkia-a-Nokia-on-Android_id47230Sep 23 07:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.phonearena.com | Newkia: a Nokia on Android  [ http://ur1.ca/fo7v7 ]Sep 23 07:44
iophkIt's also former Nokia talent but with Android rather than MeegoSep 23 07:45
iophkThose that are left at Nokia have big black spot on their resumesSep 23 07:45
oiaohmOk another nokia fragment.Sep 23 07:46
oiaohmThis fairly much ruins MS aquirement plan.Sep 23 07:46
iophkwe can hope so.Sep 23 07:46
iophkI'm more interested inthe Jolla because of MeegoSep 23 07:46
oiaohmNokia case designers making android devices could make some really nice machines.Sep 23 07:48
iophkYes, Nokia handsets were the best for many years.Sep 23 07:48
iophkNewkia had something about keeping facilities in Finland.Sep 23 07:48
iophkTop quality engineers are quite cheap in Finland compared to other countries.Sep 23 07:49
iophkAt least fora while.Sep 23 07:49
iophkM$ has turned its eyes to the schools and universities around the world.Sep 23 07:49
oiaohmM$ wants control of schools.Sep 23 07:51
oiaohmAlways had.Sep 23 07:51
oiaohmMS has less control today of schools than 5 years ago.Sep 23 07:51
iophkBut more of universities.Sep 23 07:52
oiaohmMore universities are having Linux machines doing stuff.Sep 23 07:53
iophkYes, it is starting to come back in some areas.Sep 23 07:53
iophkBut they are having to displace M$ which wasn't a problem 15 years agoSep 23 07:53
iophkOne drawback to Newkia is that the head is too soft on Elop and Window Phone.Sep 23 07:54
iophkTomi Ahonen had already ripped those to shredsSep 23 07:54
oiaohmNever be sure.Sep 23 07:55
oiaohmThere is a old saying one bitten twice shy.Sep 23 07:55
oiaohmTomi Ahonen might have some key experince from following a mole like ELop.Sep 23 07:55
oiaohmiophk: 15 years ago Linux did not have the support of video card makers.Sep 23 08:00
iophkNo, but it was common in universities compared to now and M$ had not dug in.  IT depts were skeptical to, if not downright hostile to, M$ garbage.  They had actually looked past the marketing back then.Sep 23 08:01
iophkNow most IT depts serve as first line of marketing for M$Sep 23 08:01
oiaohmThere are still a lot of IT depmartments hostile to Microsoft.Sep 23 08:03
iophkThose that have been able to retain experienced staff, yes.Sep 23 08:03
iophkIt goes one of two way.  Either they learn from experience and hate it.Sep 23 08:04
oiaohmNot really,Sep 23 08:04
oiaohmany univeristy running a cluster needs Linux staff.Sep 23 08:04
iophkOr they hop on the treadmill and become part of the problem without actually learning about IT.Sep 23 08:04
iophkI've seen presentations where students and faculty outsourced it to Amazon.Sep 23 08:04
oiaohmLinux embed it way into one market Microsoft embedded into another.Sep 23 08:04
iophkIt's expensive.Sep 23 08:04
iophkM$ can't compete in embedded.Sep 23 08:05
iophkThey have nothingSep 23 08:05
iophkBut that won't stop some people from trying.Sep 23 08:05
oiaohmMS embed in the desktop market.Sep 23 08:05
oiaohmLinux is embed in the super computer market.Sep 23 08:05
oiaohmBoth very hard to dig out of their home markets.Sep 23 08:05
iophksupercomputer, server, mobile, and embedded systems.Sep 23 08:06
iophkM$ still owns the OEMsSep 23 08:06
oiaohmYepSep 23 08:06
oiaohmReally OEM are getting less and less hooked up on MSSep 23 08:06
iophkMuktware had an interview with Linus Torvalds and he acknowledged the barrier.Sep 23 08:06
iophkPre-installs are needed to gain the desktop.Sep 23 08:06
oiaohmThe barrier is double.Sep 23 08:06
oiaohmFrom Windows desktop to Linux desktop is one hell of a jump.Sep 23 08:06
oiaohmWindows Desktop to Android to Linux full desktop is a fair lighter jump.Sep 23 08:07
iophkFrom Meego, the jump is shorter.Sep 23 08:07
oiaohmEven chromebook in middle is lighter jump.Sep 23 08:07
oiaohmBasially Linux has not been ready to go after the desktop.Sep 23 08:08
oiaohmwayland and KMS and other key techs is getting Linux ready.Sep 23 08:08
iophkNvidia and ATI could be more helpful with the drivers, tooSep 23 08:08
oiaohmWe need Nvidia and ATI to unwind there drivers from X11.Sep 23 08:08
oiaohmX11 is toxic hazard.Sep 23 08:08
iophkX11 is too cruftySep 23 08:09
iophkThe work on Wayland has been long over due.Sep 23 08:09
MinceRno it's notSep 23 08:09
iophkA re-write has been needed.Sep 23 08:09
MinceRand GNU/Linux was continually far more ready for the desktop than either windows or os x for several yearsSep 23 08:09
iophkYes, in the late 90's Linux was ahead.Sep 23 08:10
iophktechnicallySep 23 08:10
oiaohmMinceR: really the secuirty flaws of X11 are very extream.Sep 23 08:10
oiaohmMinceR:  to play the card of a good secure desktop we need X11 gone.Sep 23 08:10
MinceRoiaohm: only if you expose it to other hostsSep 23 08:10
MinceRwhich is not necessarySep 23 08:10
MinceRand not done by defaultSep 23 08:11
oiaohmEven running locally.Sep 23 08:11
oiaohmMinceR: take password on screensaver.Sep 23 08:11
MinceRafaik other windowing systems have the same issuesSep 23 08:11
oiaohmMinceR: every screensaver has it own implemetnation under X11.Sep 23 08:11
oiaohmMinceR: OS X and Windows no they don't have this fault.Sep 23 08:11
oiaohmMinceR: crashing screen saver under Linux can unlock desktop.Sep 23 08:12
oiaohmMinceR: again due to X11.Sep 23 08:12
oiaohmMinceR: X11 long stack of secuirty bugs.Sep 23 08:12
MinceRthen you could use vlockSep 23 08:12
oiaohmMinceR: other than nvidia and ati closed source drivers baffing due to X11 dependance.Sep 23 08:13
oiaohmYes everything dependant on X11 results in key things like vlock not working.Sep 23 08:13
MinceRi thought vlock worked :>Sep 23 08:15
oiaohmMinceR: with open soruce drivers it does.Sep 23 08:16
oiaohmMinceR: wayland was started because it become very clear X11 is unable to be fixed.Sep 23 08:17
oiaohmMinceR: that was suspect with the start of ywindows and direct-fb.Sep 23 08:18
oiaohmAlso Linux killing off framebuffer and restricting to KMS and DRI is also cleaning up the video stack.Sep 23 08:18
oiaohmLinux world has been far to split minded for far too long.Sep 23 08:18
iophklow key : http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-6.3Sep 23 08:19
iophkAt least Firefox gets a mention:Sep 23 09:09
iophkhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242570/Security_org_raises_Internet_threat_level_after_seeing_expanded_IE_attacksSep 23 09:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworld.com | Security org raises Internet threat level after seeing expanded IE attacks - Computerworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fo8p1 ]Sep 23 09:09
iophkbut only removal of Windows will remove IE completelySep 23 09:09
oiaohmiophk: that is not exactly true.Sep 23 09:12
oiaohmiophk: but once you have fully remoed IE from Windows it is fairly much broken.Sep 23 09:12
iophkmore broken :)Sep 23 09:14
oiaohmiophk: wizards and particular help files go buy buy.Sep 23 09:17
MinceRhttp://www.androidauthority.com/fingerprints-and-security-272092/Sep 23 09:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.androidauthority.com | Why fingerprints shouldn't be used for security - Android Authority  [ http://ur1.ca/fo95b ]Sep 23 09:54
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oiaohmMinceR yep finger prints are the worst kind of biometrics blood vessels inside hand are far harder to copy.Sep 23 10:26
oiaohmYes its too simple to get someones finger print.Sep 23 10:26
oiaohmMinceR: http://www.biometrics.gov/Documents/vascularpatternrec.pdf  This tech.Sep 23 10:27
oiaohmNormal finger print scanning patents are expired.Sep 23 10:28
oiaohmThe good stuff maker has to pay some money.Sep 23 10:28
MinceR:>Sep 23 10:33
oiaohmMinceR: basically apple used obsolete tech.Sep 23 10:33
MinceRi prefer passphrase+tokenSep 23 10:33
oiaohmSome finger print scanners in laptops are not finger printer scanners but vascular pattern scanners.Sep 23 10:34
oiaohmSo compact secure biometric scanner for fingers do exist.Sep 23 10:34
oiaohmYes vascular pattern scanners do have the advatnage cut off finger it don't work.Sep 23 10:35
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schestowitziophk: can Nokia be safe?Sep 23 12:30
schestowitzCan the news be overturned?Sep 23 12:30
iophkNo.  It died under Elop.Sep 23 12:30
schestowitzI think Nokia was to be almost sold at $40bn some years agoSep 23 12:30
schestowitzThen the mole took overSep 23 12:30
iophkAt least the phones did.Sep 23 12:30
schestowitzand drove down the cost while all the patents got passed to Microsoft's trolls of choiceSep 23 12:30
iophkA few years before the mole it was around 200 billion or something like that.Sep 23 12:30
schestowitzMicrosoft is clever.. at killing companiesSep 23 12:31
schestowitzYahoo is no lnger even a search cob tenderSep 23 12:31
iophkThe patents are licensed for 10 years at a low rate.Sep 23 12:31
schestowitzNow it's a two-horse race, and the number two, yahoo, is defunct for searchSep 23 12:31
iophkOnly about 3.79 billion was for the handsets, a steal.Sep 23 12:31
iophkiphone vs androidSep 23 12:31
iophkJolla might reinvigorate Meego.Sep 23 12:31
iophkI think that's what M$ was really afraid of.Sep 23 12:32
MinceRyahoo is a m$ frontSep 23 12:32
iophkYes it isSep 23 12:32
iophkeven if Mayer is in the news a lot.Sep 23 12:32
iophkIcahnSep 23 12:32
iophkIcahn gutted it.Sep 23 12:32
schestowitzthe ms effectSep 23 12:33
iophkThen the UI just shunts searches to BongSep 23 12:33
iophkM$ Effect == sour grapesSep 23 12:33
iophkM$ sucks, thus all IT sucks, therefore it is not  worth testing Apple or LinuxSep 23 12:34
iophkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-22EpQOm8cSep 23 12:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | South Park Mac vs. PC vs. Linux - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/foal1 ]Sep 23 12:35
iophkThat's out of date, video editing is now possible on Linux and games are starting to come in, too, maybe big time.Sep 23 12:36
iophkI never really understood South Park.  The first times I saw it, it was the same unfunny episode and the animation looked like it was done with presentation graphics.Sep 23 12:38
MinceRi don't remember any unfunny episodesSep 23 12:43
iophkThe more recent episodes of the Simpsons are unfunny.  They are just disjoint, non-sequitors bound together only by virtue of being in the same episode.Sep 23 12:53
MinceRi haven't seen much of simpsons yetSep 23 12:56
MinceRi've found that south park managed to be funny even when they misunderstood their subject matterSep 23 12:57
iophkI had bad luck with random samples then.Sep 23 12:57
iophkhttp://www.mobileworldlive.com/politicians-speak-elop-payoffSep 23 13:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.mobileworldlive.com | Politicians speak out against Elop payoff | Mobile World LiveMobile World Live  [ http://ur1.ca/fob4j ]Sep 23 13:20
iophkThe board chose him and his activities. They are complicit and share the blame.Sep 23 13:20
iophkThere is nothing left except the cleanup.  The fines for not going through with the contract might be tolerable if Elop goes away anyway and takes some of the board with him.  But even if that were to happen, there is nothing left of Nokia and rebuilding the mobile phones division would almost be starting from scratch.  Starting clean would actually be an advantage over the current situation where Elop has been able to place M$ people in management posSep 23 13:22
iophkMany of the articles still get the purchase price wrong.  It was no more than 3.79 Sep 23 13:23
iophkhttp://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/26654/Finnish_government_attacks_Elops_16m_pay-off.aspxSep 23 13:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.mobiletoday.co.uk | Mobile Today | Finnish government attacks Elop's 16m pay-off  [ http://ur1.ca/fob5r ]Sep 23 13:23
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/valve-announces-linux-based-steamos-as-basis-for-living-room-gaming/Sep 23 13:40
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Valve announces Linux-based SteamOS as basis for living room gaming | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fobbv ]Sep 23 13:40
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/mega-relives-megaupload-fame-overtakes-rapidshare-130922/Sep 23 13:41
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Mega Relives Megaupload Fame, Overtakes RapidShare | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fobc3 ]Sep 23 13:41
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/what-if-verizon-succeeds-in-killing-the-internet-227175Sep 23 13:45
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | What if Verizon succeeds in killing the Internet? | Data Center - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fobd8 ]Sep 23 13:45
MinceRbuild another oneSep 23 13:46
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/mpaa-school-propaganda/Sep 23 13:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Downloading Is Mean! Content Industry Drafts Anti-Piracy Curriculum for Elementary Schools | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/foai1 ]Sep 23 13:59
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iophkhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/23/1722253/link-rot-and-the-us-supreme-courtSep 23 14:40
TechrightsBot-tryro.slashdot.org | Link Rot and the US Supreme Court - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fobuz ]Sep 23 14:40
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/09/23/a-tale-of-two-british-schools-and-gnulinux/Sep 23 16:01
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | A Tale Of Two British Schools And GNU/Linux  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/focmp ]Sep 23 16:01
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/now-we-know-why-nokias-elop-had-a-25m-personal-bonus-clause-from-the-nokia-board-if-he-was-able-to-s.htmlSep 23 16:06
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Now We Know Why - Nokia's Elop had a $25M personal bonus clause from the Nokia Board if he was able to sell the handset unit to Microsoft  [ http://ur1.ca/focnz ]Sep 23 16:06
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Sosumiwith M$ announcing a new surface proSep 23 17:24
SosumiI wander if they'll issue a windows tax refund on their own (outsourced) hardwareSep 23 17:25
MinceRnot if they can help itSep 23 17:26
Sosumiactually I've never successfully managed to get a refundSep 23 17:26
Sosumiso I ended up returning the machinesSep 23 17:27
Sosumisince I basically didn't need a laptop anywaysSep 23 17:27
Sosumibut no luck with compaq, toshiba and asusSep 23 17:27
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DaemonFCI can't seem to get a car loan.Sep 23 22:02
DaemonFCMinceR, Part of me wants to load up my credit cards buying a car and then just not pay the bill.Sep 23 22:03
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DaemonFCI'm just praying that my car lasts another year or two.Sep 23 22:50
DaemonFCIt's already 20 years old.Sep 23 22:50
DaemonFCUsed car prices have gotten so terrible that I could probably sell it as-is for $1,500.Sep 23 22:50

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