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| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/roku-adds-50-dollar-streaming-multimedia-player/ | Sep 26 09:23 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | Roku adds $50 streaming multimedia player · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpmhg ] | Sep 26 09:23 |
| iophk | 2 watts - http://linuxgizmos.com/new-roku-players-add-gaming-subtract-power/ | Sep 26 09:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | New Roku players add gaming, subtract power · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpmhp ] | Sep 26 09:23 |
| MinceR | http://bgr.com/2013/09/24/nokia-elop-bonus-scandal/ | Sep 26 09:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | bgr.com | Nokia Elop Bonus Scandal: Elop refuses smaller bonus, cites divorce | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/fpmmm ] | Sep 26 09:38 |
| MinceR | geekings | Sep 26 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4081641719.html | Sep 26 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1999 monte carlo o.b.o. [ http://ur1.ca/fpmuu ] | Sep 26 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | "Hood has a dent from some lard ass setting on it at a concert." | Sep 26 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Sep 26 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | That's some dent... | Sep 26 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then there's probably some other listing for the 350 big block lard ass that sat on the hood of that Monte Carlo. | Sep 26 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | Yours if you'll haul him away. | Sep 26 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | Gonad The Barbarian is still driving his '98 Dodge Ram that gets like 10 mpg. | Sep 26 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | I swear the gas mileage is so bad on that thing that you can basically watch the gas gauge falling while you're driving it. | Sep 26 10:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Part of what made me back away from that Crown Vic was the kind of gas mileage I got while I was test driving it. | Sep 26 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | It was telling me 19 mpg on the highway. | Sep 26 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | You'll pass everything but the gas station. | Sep 26 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | I used to work with a guy that drove his moped to work and back even though he had a car. | Sep 26 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | He said $3 worth of gas would get him to work and back for an entire week. | Sep 26 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | The world of bank loans is pretty twisted. | Sep 26 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | It compels people to buy a more expensive vehicle than they actually need. | Sep 26 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | Banks don't like doing five year loans for less than $12,000, because they're taking a risk that you'll default, but if you took out a loan for less, they'd only stand to make several hundred dollars off of you. | Sep 26 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | A friend of mine had them offer him a 5 year loan of $7,600 @ 4.9% APR. I told him a way around that though. | Sep 26 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | Credit card companies often do 12-15 months of 0% APR as a promotional rate. So you put the entire car on the credit card and then make payments each month, then when your time is about up, you open up a new card with someone else and transfer the remaining balance owed over to that, and you get another year or so with no interest. | Sep 26 10:37 |
| roy_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383137551273713664 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383152730896105472 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383160857318154240 | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Coming Soon: Richard Stallman Interview for 30th GNU Anniversary http://t.co/W0rnFJOo6s #gnu #linux #fsf #freedom #software | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Coming Soon: Richard Stallman Interview for 30th GNU Anniversary | Techrights | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Greg KH Still Pushing the #Linux Foundation Into Restricted Boot Territory, Ignoring the Real Threat (Back Doors) http://t.co/FygfnV8zYx | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Former Novell Staff Still Pushing the Linux Foundation Into Restricted Boot Territory, Ignoring the Real Threat (Back Doors) | Techrights | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Another Financial ‘Collapse’ is Coming, We Need to Facilitate Banking Whistleblowers http://t.co/Tt9i7YXtlt #elmer #finance | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Another Financial ‘Collapse’ is Coming, We Need to Facilitate Banking Whistleblowers | Techrights | Sep 26 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | If you're only in the market to buy a $7,000-$8,000 car and you can get it paid off in a few years, you can get an interest free car loan by exploiting credit card promos. | Sep 26 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of dealers have a $3,000 limit on what you can charge though, but if the car costs 8 and you can come up with 5, then that plan still works. | Sep 26 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | There are always some dealers that let you put the entire car on your card. | Sep 26 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | Banks typically encourage dealers to set limits because they don't like people borrowing lots of money and never owing any interest on it. | Sep 26 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | So it's a violation of the merchant rules, but it's tolerated. | Sep 26 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | My strategy this time is going to be looking for a 10-15 year old car that some old person never really drove that often. 10-15 year old cars with 40 or 50,000 miles on them pop up from time to time because some old person dies and the kids don't really want the car. | Sep 26 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, For several years, I drove a 1968 Buick that needed a bottle of lead substitute each time you filled up the tank. | Sep 26 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | This old dude died and the kids just wanted rid of the car, so I got it for $300. | Sep 26 10:45 |
| *DaemonFC would love to get a deal like that again. | Sep 26 10:46 | |
| DaemonFC | Drive around for five years on a $300 car. | Sep 26 10:46 |
| roy_ | [21:09] <DaemonFC> A Ford Taurus with 352,593 miles on the odometer! | Sep 26 10:46 |
| roy_ | Al Bundy with a magnet | Sep 26 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | I remember one winter that the snow and ice got so bad that it was literally me and the national guard on the road. | Sep 26 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | roy_, It's almost unheard of to see a car with over 250,000 on the original engine and transmission. | Sep 26 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | Transmissions like to go out at some point between 150 and 200. | Sep 26 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | People usually get rid of the car at that point just because they see a bill to replace the transmission. | Sep 26 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | Most of them would be better off to rebuilt it and keep driving. | Sep 26 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | They could make it another 5 years without a car payment for that $1,500 one time expense. | Sep 26 10:49 |
| *roy_ is now known as schestowitz | Sep 26 10:49 | |
| DaemonFC | *rebuild | Sep 26 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | Car payments are so bad now that anything worth buying is going to run you about $350-$400 per month. | Sep 26 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | So a transmission rebuild is like 3 months worth of car payments. | Sep 26 10:50 |
| schestowitz | iophk: re New Roku players add gaming, subtract power http://linuxgizmos.com/new-roku-players-add-gaming-subtract-power/ | Sep 26 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | New Roku players add gaming, subtract power · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpmhp ] | Sep 26 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | I think I could keep my Taurus going for a few more years. | Sep 26 10:51 |
| schestowitz | What's relevant about this news from 2011? | Sep 26 10:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3109762 | Sep 26 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | That Mitchell and... [ http://ur1.ca/fpnau ] | Sep 26 10:51 |
| schestowitz | I LOLed so much | Sep 26 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | I may have to put a few hundred dollars into it, but driving around in something that isn't going to win any beauty contests is better than making a car payment. | Sep 26 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Almost tears in my eyes, wife couldn't figure out why | Sep 26 10:51 |
| schestowitz | iophk: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3109770 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3109773 | Sep 26 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | It is almost to the point where I feel like Al Bundy and his Dodge. | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | Elop and #fraud h... [ http://ur1.ca/fpnb5 ] | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | NSA-friendly mail... [ http://ur1.ca/fpnb6 ] | Sep 26 10:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383164774223446016 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383165145448738816 | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Elop and #fraud http://t.co/M9wSOPHHRd #nokia #microsoft #entryism | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.forbes.com | Nokia Admits Giving Misleading Information About Elop's Compensation - Forbes | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA-friendly mail host is mismanaging mailboxes http://t.co/18QdGnofy0 #yahoo #microsoft | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fastcompany.com | A "Not My Email" Button, Because Yahoo Users Are Getting Other People's Emails | Fast Company | Business + Innovation | Sep 26 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | If I had to go buy something right now, it would probably be something like this. | Sep 26 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.customcarcaredecatur.com/detail-2003-ford-taurus-se-used-10179712.html | Sep 26 10:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.customcarcaredecatur.com | 2003 Used Ford Taurus SE at Custom Car Care Serving Decatur, IN, IID 10179712 [ http://ur1.ca/fpnbz ] | Sep 26 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe they want $3,995 for that though. When I bought my 1995 in 2005, it had about that many miles on it, and it cost $2,000. | Sep 26 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to try to save up and pay in cash. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| iophk | schestowitz: what do the diaspora links say? that site never works on linux for me | Sep 26 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | If I had to, I'd bust out the credit card, but I don't really want to do that. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | It's a better option than going to a bad credit car lot, but that's not saying much. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| iophk | It is big news that Nokia hid the changes to Elop's contract. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| iophk | Flat out lied, it seems. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| iophk | I wonder what they themselves get out of it. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| iophk | It seems like they were laughing about the decline all along. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | Financing a couple thousand dollars of that car on the credit card at 12.9 is not ideal, but a bad credit car lot that had that car would sell it for something more like $6,500, and then finance it at 18. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's just one of the costs of being poor. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | "The poor pay more." | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | I've read horror stories about those buy here pay here lots. | Sep 26 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | People get themselves into a nasty deal like I described, and then sometimes the car doesn't even make it all the way back to their home from the lot. | Sep 26 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | Dave's credit is like that, so he bought his pickup truck off one of those lots. | Sep 26 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | He got it paid off just in time for the engine to take a dive and need rebuilt. | Sep 26 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | By that time, the air conditioner compressor was bad too, so it was in the shop for a few weeks, and he ended up paying a few thousand more. | Sep 26 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | Trucks are just expensive period. I've seen new ones priced at $63,000. | Sep 26 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/new-2013-Ford-Taurus-4dr_Sdn_SHO_AWD-Columbia_City-IN/1931925063 | Sep 26 11:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cityautomall.com | 2013 Ford Taurus for sale in Columbia City - 1FAHP2KT7DG199164 - City Automall [ http://ur1.ca/fpnfm ] | Sep 26 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | $38,901 + tax, title, license, and dealer documentation fees. | Sep 26 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | And that's "on sale" because they're trying to get it off their lot to make room for a 2014. | Sep 26 11:05 |
| iophk | distraction from the issues:http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/26/former-nokia-ceo-divorce-stephen-elop-payoff | Sep 26 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Former Nokia chief cites divorce as he refuses to scale down £16m payoff | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpnoh ] | Sep 26 11:26 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049369/amd-nvidia-ramp-up-linux-driver-support-after-valves-steamos-announcement.html | Sep 26 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | AMD, Nvidia ramp up Linux driver support after Valve's SteamOS announcement | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fpnpd ] | Sep 26 11:29 |
| schestowitz | iophk: D* says the same as twitter | Sep 26 11:37 |
| iophk | ok | Sep 26 11:38 |
| schestowitz | iophk: personifying the issue | Sep 26 11:38 |
| iophk | yes, it's a distraction by trying to make it about his personal life | Sep 26 11:38 |
| schestowitz | iophk: mentioned Elop here https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383178486745432064 | Sep 26 11:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft Moles in HP, the Bill Hilf Edition http://t.co/5xykjaWItU #microsoft #hp #gnu #linux #windows | Sep 26 11:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft Moles in HP, the Bill Hilf Edition | Techrights | Sep 26 11:39 |
| iophk | See the one by the Master: "Checkers speech" | Sep 26 11:39 |
| schestowitz | iophk: it also sells the story better | Sep 26 11:39 |
| schestowitz | for some, gossip is more interesting | Sep 26 11:39 |
| iophk | it's also an attempt to trivialize the issue by making it about his divorce instead of large-scale fraud and deception | Sep 26 11:40 |
| iophk | Though it is hard to call it deception. A great many were not fooled by him at all, but those were not in positions of influence. | Sep 26 11:40 |
| iophk | Will the Finns wake up and smell the coffee about M$? | Sep 26 11:41 |
| iophk | Elop, and his owner M$, should be sued for the 10's or 100's of billions that Nokia was worth before his arrival. | Sep 26 11:43 |
| MinceR | probably for more so that the sentence has deterrent force | Sep 26 11:44 |
| iophk | It has to be big enough to cut into their profits or they will just treat it like the other fines, just the cost of doing business. | Sep 26 11:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 26 11:48 |
| iophk | Many times M$ has been able delay the punishment for close to a decade. | Sep 26 11:49 |
| iophk | I'm not sure how that process could be speeded up. | Sep 26 11:49 |
| iophk | Even the EU cases dragged on until they were rendered toothless. | Sep 26 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes, indeed | Sep 26 12:03 |
| schestowitz | !google HSBC money laundering fine a joke | Sep 26 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - HSBC's $1.9 Billion Money Laundering Fine And the Somalian Cost ... | http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/08/hsbcs-1-9-billion-money-laundering-fine-and-the-somalian-cost-of-bank-regulation/ | Sep 26 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Taibbi: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213 | Sep 26 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - HSBC to pay $1.9 billion U.S. fine in money-laundering case | Reuters | http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/11/us-hsbc-probe-idUSBRE8BA05M20121211 | Sep 26 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Whistleblower: HSBC $1.9 billion fine 'a joke' - WorldNetDaily | http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/whistleblower-hsbc-1-9-billion-fine-a-joke/ | Sep 26 12:03 |
| schestowitz | see [2] and [4] | Sep 26 12:04 |
| iophk | Rolling Stone has some good writers. | Sep 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3106131 | Sep 26 12:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As the World ‘Progresses’ Protest is Being Banned in the United States and Its Allies http://techrights.org/2013/09/25/online-protest-banned/ #protest | Sep 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes, what;'s left of them | Sep 26 12:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | As the World ‘Progresses’ Protest is Being Banned in the United States and Its Allies | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fpdpq ] | Sep 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz | One of them was recently killed by the CIA or the FBI recently, suggests strong evidence | Sep 26 12:07 |
| schestowitz | !google fiery crash rolling stones | Sep 26 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Michael Hastings Death: Newly Unearthed Surveillance Video ... | http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-hastings-death-newly-unearthed-594175 | Sep 26 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Less than a day after the BuzzFeed and Rolling Stone reporter died ... | http://12160.info/page/less-than-a-day-after-the-buzzfeed-and-rolling-stone-reporter-die | Sep 26 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Michael Hastings conspiracy theories: Web goes wild after NSA, CIA ... | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/conspiracy-theories-abound-michael-hastings-death-article-1.1377392 | Sep 26 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Journalist Michael Hastings Was Investigating CIA Director at Time ... | http://www.globalresearch.ca/journalist-michael-hastings-was-investigating-cia-director-at-time-of-deadly-crash/5346028 | Sep 26 12:07 |
| iophk | Yeah one of the articles mentioned that the car caught fire before crashing. | Sep 26 12:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | What makes you think Monsanto is not DDoSing and otherwise harassing protest sites, Brad? Techrights gets DDoS all the time. Others have gotten worse. | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8354 http://darkernet.in/mapping-the-evidence-that-connects-the-law-firm-barrett-brown-investigated-with-his-prosecution/ | Sep 26 12:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bradblog.com | The BRAD BLOG : U.S. Chamber of Commerce Thugs Used 'Terror Tools' for Disinfo Scheme Targeting Me, My Family, Other Progressive U.S. Citizens, Groups | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman explains the similarity between what Anonymous does and an ordinary protest. | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/17/anonymous-wikileaks-protest-amazon-mastercard | Sep 26 12:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | darkernet.in | Mapping the evidence that connects the law firm Barrett Brown investigated with his prosecution | Darker Net [ http://ur1.ca/fpo89 ] | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Calling these protests DDoS, or distributed denial of service, attacks is misleading, too. A DDoS attack is done with thousands of "zombie" computers. Typically, somebody breaks the security of those computers (often with a virus) and takes remote control of them, then rigs them up as a "botnet" to do in unison whatever he directs (in this case, to overload a server). The Anonymous protesters' computers are not zombies; presumably they | Sep 26 12:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | The Anonymous WikiLeaks protests are a mass demo against control | Richard Stallman | Comment is free | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpo8b ] | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | are being individually operated. | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Remember not to let your morals be guided by the law. It's the law that's supposed to follow our morals. At some point, when society becomes too oppressive, it is our moral obligation to not obey laws imposed by rich and powerful people on the rest of us. | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes law is used as an instrument against the "threat" of morality. | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3105826 | Sep 26 12:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When you 'help' people avoid ('protect' them) from 'bad' stuff you're basically imposing on them your own prejudices. | Sep 26 12:10 |
| schestowitz | "We do help people avoid non free software and based on carefully considered opinion, not prejudice." | Sep 26 12:10 |
| iophk | * thousands of "zombie" computers == windows(tm) | Sep 26 12:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3105824 | Sep 26 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: British press seemingly upset that in the #uk there is *NO* #censorship in some networks http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/25/porn-knives-and-drugs-websites-accessible-on-most-public-wi-fi http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10332010/Porn-on-most-free-public-WiFi-networks.html | Sep 26 12:12 |
| schestowitz | :"Censors always think they have something to gain by shutting people up. Sooner or later, they learn what a mistake that is." | Sep 26 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Porn, knives and drugs websites accessible on most public Wi-Fi | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fp4ax ] | Sep 26 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.telegraph.co.uk | Porn on most free public WiFi networks - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/fp4aw ] | Sep 26 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Unless the censorship is successfully hidden, by "disciplining" people to reject certain views or teaching people that censorship really protects them | Sep 26 12:13 |
| schestowitz | iophk: not always | Sep 26 12:13 |
| schestowitz | some DDOS attacks can just be hundreds of people reloading a page manually from one server | Sep 26 12:13 |
| schestowitz | works against smaller sites | Sep 26 12:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3105821 | Sep 26 12:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: PopSci doesn't want to hear back from angry readers http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/why-were-shutting-our-comments | Sep 26 12:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.popsci.com | Why We're Shutting Off Our Comments | Popular Science [ http://ur1.ca/fp2x1 ] | Sep 26 12:15 |
| schestowitz | "Lauren Weinstein agrees that this is a mistake, "<a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/114753028665775786510/posts/dm9mZGDD25R">The issue is real. Their "solution" is inane and counterproductive. Shame on them.</a>"" | Sep 26 12:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | plus.google.com | Lauren Weinstein - Google+ - "Comments can be bad for science. That's why, here at… [ http://ur1.ca/fpoan ] | Sep 26 12:15 |
| iophk | DDOS can be due to intentional slashdot effect | Sep 26 12:15 |
| iophk | http://rt.com/usa/michael-hastings-car-neighbor-853/ | Sep 26 12:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/f75hc ] | Sep 26 12:26 |
| iophk | a little old - http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/barrett-brown-faces-105-years-in-jail-20130905 | Sep 26 12:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.rollingstone.com | Barrett Brown: America's Least Likely Political Prisoner | Culture News | Rolling Stone [ http://ur1.ca/fpohj ] | Sep 26 12:34 |
| iophk | "He copy-pasted a publicly available link containing publicly available data that he was researching in his capacity as a journalist." | Sep 26 12:36 |
| MinceR | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24246646 | Sep 26 12:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Apple Maps flaw results in drivers crossing airport runway [ http://ur1.ca/fparv ] | Sep 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383194122968121344 | Sep 26 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNOME Desktop Approaches 3.10 and Finds Wider Acceptance http://t.co/v1mewQn5M0 #gnome #gnu #linux | Sep 26 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | GNOME Desktop Approaches 3.10 and Finds Wider Acceptance | Techrights | Sep 26 12:40 |
| iophk | http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/09/25/steam-rolling-into-your-living-room/ | Sep 26 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.nvidia.com | Steam Rolling Into Your Living Room [ http://ur1.ca/fpol2 ] | Sep 26 12:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383194690428096512 | Sep 26 12:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple is a killer app http://t.co/4vhVkrwOHV | Sep 26 12:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 12:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383197514352316416 | Sep 26 12:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Steam Rolling Into Your Living Room http://t.co/VhnCenUzlv #steam #gnu #linux | Sep 26 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z-sdO6pwVHQ | Sep 26 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Help Kickstart World War III! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fpp4q ] | Sep 26 13:38 |
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| iophk | Quite mainstream: http://techland.time.com/2013/09/24/the-state-of-linux-gaming-with-valves-steamos/ | Sep 26 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techland.time.com | The State of Linux Gaming with Valve’s SteamOS | TIME.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpphp ] | Sep 26 14:14 |
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| iophk | "A decade later in an interview with CNET, Bradley said he didn’t really know why Microsoft decided to make his invention their log-in command." | Sep 26 14:56 |
| iophk | http://www.geekwire.com/2013/gates-harvard/ | Sep 26 14:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.geekwire.com | Finally: Bill Gates admits Control-Alt-Delete was a mistake - GeekWire [ http://ur1.ca/fppxk ] | Sep 26 14:57 |
| iophk | It was because Windows was so frequently locking up that Windows users were pressing it many times per day. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| iophk | Using it as an official function changed the psychological approach to it. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| iophk | It was marketing, basically. | Sep 26 14:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 14:58 |
| iophk | As a result of getting mocked for the "three-finger salute" | Sep 26 14:58 |
| iophk | So geekwire is helping spread a bit of revisionist history there. | Sep 26 14:59 |
| iophk | With W95 and W98 you could be pressing ctrl-alt-del a dozen times in a single 8-hour work day. | Sep 26 14:59 |
| iophk | It bordered on unusable. | Sep 26 15:06 |
| iophk | — on the wrong side of that border. | Sep 26 15:08 |
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| DaemonFC | gas prices came down a little bit more | Sep 26 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | Last month they got up to $4.26 per gallon. | Sep 26 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | I just filled up my tank a few minutes ago at $3.37. | Sep 26 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | Which is really like $3.32 for me because I have a credit card that gives me a small discount. | Sep 26 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 26 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | Dave will watch just about anything on TV. He was watching Cops the other night and they drove past a gas station and gas was $1.42 per gallon. | Sep 26 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that and said "You're watching a 10 year old rerun of Cops...." | Sep 26 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | I thought I came across a Craigslist deal on a pickup truck. | Sep 26 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | It looked awesome and then I saw that it only had the 2.2 liter inline 4 engine. | Sep 26 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | What good is a 130 HP engine in a pickup truck? | Sep 26 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | A pickup truck with the engine out of a Chevy Cavalier. | Sep 26 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | I've driven a Chevy Cavalier as a loaner car when mine was in the shop. That engine is just barely good enough for a cheap little car. | Sep 26 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | I backed up into a telephone pole and put a dent the size of an orange in the rear bumper. | Sep 26 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Got out, started panicking, then popped the dent out with my bare hands. | Sep 26 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Barely even qualifies as a car. | Sep 26 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | One step up from a Geo Metro. | Sep 26 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe they used the same engine in a truck. | Sep 26 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Not only is that engine pathetic, it's also expensive to maintain and extremely unreliable. | Sep 26 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | It's an interference engine, so if the timing belt ever breaks, you're looking at a rebuild. | Sep 26 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | At least Ford's cheap 4 cylinder engines are non-interference. If the timing belt breaks, you don't destroy the engine. You're in for a tow though. | Sep 26 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | I guess you could damage it if you sit there trying to restart the car. :) | Sep 26 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | But GM's inline 4 is destroyed the second the belt breaks. | Sep 26 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The reason I don't want any part of a GM car with a 4 cylinder engine is....guess how many people replace the timing belt on schedule? | Sep 26 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | It's a $400 job that you're supposed to do every 50,000 miles. | Sep 26 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | Most people just happen to be lucky and get away with over 150,000 on the original belt before it snaps. | Sep 26 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | So if you buy a GM vehicle with a timing belt, expect to do a belt change right after buying the vehicle. | Sep 26 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | I've had GM vehicles and I've had Ford vehicles, and I'll tell you what. Ford just makes better stuff. | Sep 26 15:22 |
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| DaemonFC | That's also why I only purchase vehicles with a V6 engine in them, even if it's just a small 3 liter. | Sep 26 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | Ford and GM both use timing chains in their V6 engines. | Sep 26 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | Should never have to be changed. | Sep 26 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | That alone is worth getting a couple less mpg. | Sep 26 15:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: you are not right on all GM engines have timing chains in v6 class. | Sep 26 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | The ones I've owned had chains. | Sep 26 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | The only good part about those cars was the 3.1 liter V6. | Sep 26 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | The 3.4 liter ones had defective intake manifold gaskets. | Sep 26 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | You'd replace them about every 50,000 miles because they'd already be leaking again. | Sep 26 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | They should have been recalled, but GM didn't want to do that because it would cost more to fix their defective engines than they had money on hand. | Sep 26 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | They liked to put those in some mid-grade Buicks and Oldsmobiles, and their Chevy Venture, Pontiac Montana, and Oldsmobile Silhouette vans. | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Those vans were largely unreliable. | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | It's why you see so many of them that only have 100,000 miles on them being sold for next to nothing. | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Bad engine and rust problems, mostly. | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Some transmission issues too. | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | If you're going to buy a van, buy a Ford van. | Sep 26 15:29 |
| MinceR | no. | Sep 26 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | If you're going to buy a car, either get a Ford car, or if you're looking at GM, get one with a 3.1 liter V6. | Sep 26 15:29 |
| MinceR | i'll get a honda, a toyota or a lexus | Sep 26 15:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | Those powertrain on those GM vans that had all the problems were made in a factory in Georgia that GM finally shut down permanently in 2008. | Sep 26 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Honda. Good call if you have the money for one. | Sep 26 15:31 |
| MinceR | and if they make a vehicle in the category you're looking for :> | Sep 26 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | For a car with similar age and miles, you double the price when you go Honda instead of Ford. | Sep 26 15:31 |
| MinceR | they don't make large SUV-s, for example | Sep 26 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | My Ford Taurus is 20 years old and still runs fine. | Sep 26 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Honda and Toyota are the only car companies with decent four cylinder engines. | Sep 26 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | They're the only four cylinder engines that I think most of them would make it over 200,000 miles. | Sep 26 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | You can judge about how reliable a car company's designs are by how many of each class of vehicle is still in service after 20 years or 200,000 miles. | Sep 26 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | GM and Ford's compact cars with four cylinder engines just don't make it. | Sep 26 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | The service manual stops at 150,000 miles for a reason. | Sep 26 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 15:34 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's about the longest you'd expect one to last. | Sep 26 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | My car is a beater but it still runs fine. | Sep 26 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | That's about all you can expect of a 20 year old vehicle. | Sep 26 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | Definitely not bad for a car I paid $2,000 for 8 years ago. | Sep 26 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | When I go to buy a newer car, MinceR...... | Sep 26 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | I believe I'll do what I did last time. | Sep 26 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | a 10 year old Ford Taurus with about 100,000 miles on it | Sep 26 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | They're in the $3,500-$4,000 range now because of all the Obamabucks floating around. | Sep 26 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | But you're not going to do a lot better for the money. | Sep 26 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | Cash For Clunkers and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act alone cost about as much as the first 10 years of the war in Afghanistan. | Sep 26 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | Did next to nothing to help the economy. Might have even hurt it quite badly since it created so much more debt and took running vehicles out of a used car market with high demand. | Sep 26 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I thought about turning my Ford Taurus in during Cash for Clunkers, but the $4,500 you got out of that was just a discount on a brand new car. | Sep 26 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | Which costs about $40,000 now. | Sep 26 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | So it wasn't exactly "free money". | Sep 26 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't stomach the thought of turning in a perfectly operational 16 year old vehicle that was paid for so I could get saddled with a bank loan for an overpriced new car. | Sep 26 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, But millions of people did turn in their perfectly good old cars to be destroyed and then ended up with a car payment they couldn't really make. | Sep 26 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | Then the bank takes their car back and sells it to someone else, and now they have no car. | Sep 26 15:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | But that's what you get when you have the government and corporations working together to impose a fascist agenda. | Sep 26 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | Right? | Sep 26 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think the entire point of the Clunker program was to trick people into giving up a valuable asset they already owned free and clear. | Sep 26 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | To enrich the banks and heat up the used car market so much that people were forced to decide if $5,000 was really worth it for a car that was $2,000 a few years ago. | Sep 26 15:44 |
| MinceR | or to get older, more polluting cars out of use | Sep 26 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | The idea was to prod people into the new car market and to make crippling payments with interest to the banks. | Sep 26 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there's a couple of arguments to suggest otherwise. | Sep 26 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | The libertarian argument is that nobody should be taking my money to buy someone else a new car with. | Sep 26 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | The other one is the fact that it only reduced greenhouse gas emissions of the entire vehicle fleet in the United States by 0.4%. | Sep 26 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | It probably actually damaged the environment in other ways. | Sep 26 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | The energy and toxic material disposal associated with crushing and recycling cars that could have been driven for another 5-10 years. | Sep 26 15:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, there's that | Sep 26 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | If people want a new car, that's fine. | Sep 26 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | They should accumulate their own money or get a loan for the entire amount. | Sep 26 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | and there shouldn't be any government rebates involved | Sep 26 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | The money for the rebates is taken from people who can't afford to buy a nice car for themselves. | Sep 26 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | On the whole, people would be better off if the government stayed out of the car business. | Sep 26 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | They are distorting the market. | Sep 26 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | They're giving freebies to people who could afford to buy the new cars on their own, and taking money from people who need it to buy *a* car at all in the first place. | Sep 26 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | So it's a reverse Robin Hood situation. | Sep 26 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I refuse to live in debt. | Sep 26 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | So what if people laugh at what I drive? I'm not paying $400 a month for an asset that is rapidly decreasing in value, and making interest payments to a bank on top of that. | Sep 26 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | I could get a loan somewhere, but it would be a particularly nasty one. | Sep 26 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | They like to use medical bills that nobody can pay as an excuse to railroad people into subprime car loans. | Sep 26 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | Creditors are not in the business of helping people out, they're in the business of keeping them in debt as long as possible. | Sep 26 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | Their only real motive for stopping at a certain point is that they'll eventually overload you to the point of bankruptcy if they don't stop. | Sep 26 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I picked up on that when I worked in the Rent To Own business for a while. | Sep 26 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | The training video even used the word "overloading the customer". | Sep 26 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | You're supposed to figure out how much they can pay you without defaulting on everything. | Sep 26 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | Because then you have to get their stuff back and that can be difficult, expensive, and time consuming. | Sep 26 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | So the customer is supposed to put on a form their gross income from all sources, their rent/mortgage and utility bills, the amount they pay on their car loan, etc. | Sep 26 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | Then you're not supposed to give them more than a certain dollar amount worth of merchandise at any given time. | Sep 26 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, And the business can be damned sloppy. | Sep 26 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Especially when a dozen different people rent the same computer. | Sep 26 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | They don't get reimaged when they turn them in. | Sep 26 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Because that takes too much time. | Sep 26 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | You're supposed to delete their Windows user account and rent it out again, but sometimes that doesn't even get done. | Sep 26 15:58 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | So any malware and most of their files get handed to the next person that rents the computer. | Sep 26 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | I actually had my boss tell me not to rent any laptops to a certain person that was re-imaging them with Ubuntu. | Sep 26 15:59 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 26 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | The furniture and small appliance rentals were worse. | Sep 26 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | You have mattresses and couches coming back where someone urinated or defecated on them. | Sep 26 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Or they'll be infested with bedbugs. | Sep 26 16:01 |
| MinceR | ew | Sep 26 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | And do you think anyone cleans out a microwave oven before they bring it back? | Sep 26 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. The rule is that if you can get rid of the stain, rent it out again. | Sep 26 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | If you can't, it goes to the dump. | Sep 26 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | They prey on working class people who can't afford to save up any money to buy household furniture. | Sep 26 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Rent To Own is worse than putting it all on the worst credit card you can get. | Sep 26 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Even worse, it's all been used. | Sep 26 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4086223612.html | Sep 26 16:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | chevy truck - stolen [ http://ur1.ca/fpqlj ] | Sep 26 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they couldn't find anything less conspicuous to steal. | Sep 26 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 16:09 |
| MinceR | http://gigaom.com/2013/09/26/seriously-samsung-sorry-european-roamers-but-the-new-galaxy-note-3-is-region-locked/ | Sep 26 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Seriously, Samsung? Sorry, roamers, but the new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/fpqmc ] | Sep 26 16:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: That samsung thing was some idiot making labs. | Sep 26 16:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: labels. | Sep 26 16:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the issue is generation 4 networks. | Sep 26 16:17 |
| oiaohm | EU and the USA are different. | Sep 26 16:17 |
| MinceR | different LTE bands or what? | Sep 26 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Different LTE bands and different encryption. | Sep 26 16:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so complete no go. | Sep 26 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Yes it is possible ot have a LTE only carrier in the USA or EU. | Sep 26 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie a sim that is not 3g. | Sep 26 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Or lower. | Sep 26 16:19 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 26 16:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so the label is half right. | Sep 26 16:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the recent conference on X11 covering DRM secuirty. | Sep 26 16:25 |
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| MinceR | bbl | Sep 26 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383230175418523648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383245687577911296 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383261761400758272 | Sep 26 17:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Software Freedom and Accountability http://t.co/MzmaDQKvSE #freedom #justice | Sep 26 17:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Software Freedom and Accountability | Techrights | Sep 26 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: File Sharing Can Never be Stopped, So a Wise Company Would Not Bother Trying http://t.co/8inOt3JyoM #sharing #copyright #law | Sep 26 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | File Sharing Can Never be Stopped, So a Wise Company Would Not Bother Trying | Techrights | Sep 26 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: People Trust Mozilla, Show Confidence Regarding Security and Privacy http://t.co/L2KHNdEgvh #mozilla #firefox #privacy | Sep 26 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | People Trust Mozilla, Show Confidence Regarding Security and Privacy | Techrights | Sep 26 17:10 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 26 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | 1996 Toyota Camry. | Sep 26 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | This one was built in Canada, so the odometer is showing kilometers, and the speedometer is in kilometers per hour. | Sep 26 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | That would get annoying. | Sep 26 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383262430841040896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383262993750167552 | Sep 26 17:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Bradley said he didn’t really know why Microsoft decided to make his invention their log-in command." http://t.co/LJBm65oMLp | Sep 26 17:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.geekwire.com | Finally: Bill Gates admits Control-Alt-Delete was a mistake - GeekWire | Sep 26 17:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Windows: press "Start" to shut down. How intuitive. What an utter mess. | Sep 26 17:13 |
| schestowitz | [15:20] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, The reason I don't want any part of a GM car with a 4 cylinder engine is....guess how many people replace the timing belt on schedule? | Sep 26 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Do you really need a car at all? | Sep 26 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 26 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | There's no such thing as public transportation here. | Sep 26 17:14 |
| schestowitz | distance from work? | Sep 26 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Ah, yes, US | Sep 26 17:14 |
| schestowitz | public transportation is bad for oil companies | Sep 26 17:14 |
| schestowitz | So the cartel killed even the rail effprts | Sep 26 17:14 |
| iophk | and for car companies | Sep 26 17:14 |
| iophk | they bought up many of the used cars a few years ago to get them off the market and to try to force people on the edge to buy new. | Sep 26 17:15 |
| iophk | Lots of regions had light rail until GM and Firestone bought them up and shut them down. | Sep 26 17:15 |
| schestowitz | checked some cars today, but we live less than a mile from City Centre, so no need for cars right now | Sep 26 17:15 |
| iophk | http://www.culturechange.org/issue10/taken-for-a-ride.htm | Sep 26 17:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.culturechange.org | Taken for a Ride - How General Motors (GM) Conspired to Destroy Rail Trolley Systems [ http://ur1.ca/fprcu ] | Sep 26 17:16 |
| schestowitz | It started with a chat about how cars are quite cheap in the UK | Sep 26 17:16 |
| schestowitz | (Not necessarily to maintain) | Sep 26 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Petrol, insurance, MOT, fixing, purchase, etc. | Sep 26 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Some pay for parking in busy areas, too | Sep 26 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4071041656.html | Sep 26 17:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 2001 Mer Grand Mar [ http://ur1.ca/fprdz ] | Sep 26 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | Now that's a car. | Sep 26 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I think I left out some other sources of expenditure associated with it, it's worse than raising a pet or baby | Sep 26 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Are they build to last long? | Sep 26 17:18 |
| schestowitz | You might pay the cost of the car within a year again, just in maintenance costs | Sep 26 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | The Grand Marquis? | Sep 26 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Carwash is another | Sep 26 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | It's a rebadged Ford Crown Victoria with better stuff. | Sep 26 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | 4.6 liter V8 engine | Sep 26 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | They last a VERY long time. | Sep 26 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | There's still Crown Vics from the 80s and early 90s that people keep around with over 300,000 miles on them. | Sep 26 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | About the only downside is the gas mileage. | Sep 26 17:19 |
| iophk | http://www.cracked.com/article_19884_6-insane-conspiracy-theories-that-actually-happened.html | Sep 26 17:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cracked.com | 6 Insane Conspiracy Theories (That Actually Happened) | Cracked.com [ http://ur1.ca/fprfc ] | Sep 26 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | What is with people and these 4 cylinder pickup trucks? | Sep 26 17:22 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3110689 | Sep 26 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | Windows: press "S... [ http://ur1.ca/fprfo ] | Sep 26 17:22 |
| schestowitz | "strong filter bubble, sir, as you seem to realize that only 20 years later almost :P" | Sep 26 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | "I want a real truck but I'm broke so I'll just get this." | Sep 26 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 17:22 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110027+ | Sep 26 17:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is a killer app http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24246646 | Sep 26 17:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Apple Maps flaw results in drivers crossing airport runway [ http://ur1.ca/fparv ] | Sep 26 17:23 |
| schestowitz | "So many comments: 1. How did they ever get past the gate without presenting some kind of ID? I thought ID or an escort was required to get on the ramp at any US airport with scheduled airline service. How can the drivers be so unaware of what they're doing? Must be too busy cursing at their phones. Apple Maps still has a long way to go. I remember how bad MapQuest and Google Maps were when they started, so I understand it's a really | Sep 26 17:23 |
| schestowitz | tough problem to solve, but wow. I bet ATC was having a fit. So much for keeping their runway incursion numbers down." | Sep 26 17:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3109743 | Sep 26 17:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Another Financial ‘Collapse’ is Coming, We Need to Facilitate Banking Whistleblowers http://techrights.org/2013/09/26/conscientious-leakers/ #elmer #finance | Sep 26 17:24 |
| schestowitz | "Another financial crisis/collapse is coming, whistleblowers won't stop it, but they can aide in preventing the next system from having some of the exploitable flaws the current system has. But more importantly, the "officials" tasked with keeping the system exploiters and gamers, SEC, FedRes, CFTC, FSA, etc. need to do their jobs." | Sep 26 17:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Another Financial ‘Collapse’ is Coming, We Need to Facilitate Banking Whistleblowers | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fprgd ] | Sep 26 17:24 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3109773 | Sep 26 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA-friendly mail host is mismanaging mailboxes http://www.fastcompany.com/3018385/fast-feed/a-not-my-email-button-because-yahoo-users-are-getting-other-peoples-emails #yahoo #microsoft | Sep 26 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fastcompany.com | A "Not My Email" Button, Because Yahoo Users Are Getting Other People's Emails | Fast Company | Business + Innovation [ http://ur1.ca/fpdio ] | Sep 26 17:25 |
| schestowitz | "Monopolists like to pretend there is diversity in the world, Jim." | Sep 26 17:25 |
| schestowitz | iophk: The GeekWire (Microsoft boosters site) article has a tone favourable to Gates, a famous criminal, but that's the only link I could find. | Sep 26 17:27 |
| iophk | Trying to write out the years of bad garbage from M$ in that article. ctrl-alt-del was common because Windows locking up was common. It was so common it was a joke. | Sep 26 17:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_f8f3cf8adef1f0d644df.jpg | Sep 26 17:28 |
| schestowitz | iophk: they call crime "immense success" | Sep 26 17:29 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110676 | Sep 26 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: People Trust Mozilla, Show Confidence Regarding Security and Privacy http://techrights.org/2013/09/26/security-and-privacy-poll/ #mozilla #firefox #privacy | Sep 26 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | People Trust Mozilla, Show Confidence Regarding Security and Privacy | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fprm9 ] | Sep 26 17:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Beginning to lose trust - something is happening in the time it takes watching videos ........ | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Almost as if there is a backdoor in the flash application and someone somewhere is using it on a regular basis nowadays. | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Seems only to occur on You-Tube though - but I may be wrong - needs some looking into by the right people .......... as it may be something that can be stopped. ( probably happens on most browsers ) but does anyone else get it ........... problem is it screws all the keyboard setting up, | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mozilla+firefox+keyboard+problems&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&sourceid=Mozilla-search&start=0 | Sep 26 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | mozilla firefox keyboard problems - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/fprmo ] | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Usually the keyboard is ok before using Firefox ....... but once its been used the keyboard remains in a mess ........ some keys not working or doing strange things. | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Makes me fear it could be a keystroke logger going wrong. | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | This is not something I like on my system now .......... | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | How to avoid or how to know someone is logging your keystrokes. ? | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the Firefox team should be adding something to show what is happening here - to give people confidence. | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 17:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110679 | Sep 26 17:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Bradley said he didn’t really know why Microsoft decided to make his invention their log-in command." http://www.geekwire.com/2013/gates-harvard/ | Sep 26 17:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.geekwire.com | Finally: Bill Gates admits Control-Alt-Delete was a mistake - GeekWire [ http://ur1.ca/fppxk ] | Sep 26 17:45 |
| schestowitz | "When will he admit Windows was a mistake?" | Sep 26 17:45 |
| schestowitz | When Windows gets embraced by tourorists. | Sep 26 17:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383265068374564864 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383267147839205376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383267547443130368 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383268102722846720\ | Sep 26 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: What the #uk government wants to censor on the Web https://t.co/Q0tKmlAz2r #censorship | Sep 26 17:49 |
| iophk | https://www.cpj.org/internet/2013/09/journalist-barrett-brown-faces-jail-for-posting-hy.php | Sep 26 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Poverty and dreams https://t.co/BLi1LhOEkL | Sep 26 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Generosity from sympathy https://t.co/kOuYn6rCpK | Sep 26 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack http://t.co/SrCTicjgLc join the #fbi and become legalised criminal | Sep 26 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.com | FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack | Threat Level | Wired.com | Sep 26 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cpj.org | Journalist Barrett Brown faces prison for posting hyperlink - Internet - Committee to Protect Journalists [ http://ur1.ca/fd58f ] | Sep 26 17:49 |
| iophk | See the 2nd to last paragraph | Sep 26 17:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383268492700844032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383269257037246464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383269478311927808 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383269906793631744 | Sep 26 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: One of my neighbours calls his access point "FBI Surveillance Truck". I noticed that earlier today while testing signals strength. | Sep 26 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Google and the NSA http://t.co/FVMuLlsK6p "Google amasses troves of personal data on billions" #nsa #google | Sep 26 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> weblogs.mozillazine.org | Google and the NSA - Asa Dotzler: Firefox and more | Sep 26 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: This morning I visited the Hyundai Web site briefly (w/ Firefox). Since then, Google bombards me regularly w/ Hyundai video ads in YouTube. | Sep 26 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Raspberry Pi Doorlock Uses USB Keys http://t.co/2dlfmZX1OA #usb #linux | Sep 26 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eetimes.com | Raspberry Pi Doorlock Uses USB Keys | EE Times | Sep 26 17:50 |
| schestowitz | iophk: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383272585288749056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383273397217951744 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383273645264879616 | Sep 26 17:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Journalist Barrett Brown faces prison for posting hyperlink https://t.co/dRByjgjO8U many of us activists post such links sometimes | Sep 26 17:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Journalism is being reclassified "hacktivism" if it's real journalism like Wikileaks http://t.co/kz9QUZx8KV http://t.co/ihtmMxAspm | Sep 26 17:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Attack on Journalism in the UK | Techrights | Sep 26 17:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Jeremy Heywood, Uncivil ‘Servant’, Behind Attack on Journalists in the UK | Techrights | Sep 26 17:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "This is US law that’s being used against Barrett Brown, not something from a nation like North Korea." http://t.co/ltf0xflCz0 | Sep 26 17:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | As the World ‘Progresses’ Protest is Being Banned in the United States and Its Allies | Techrights | Sep 26 17:56 |
| iophk | Journalism + with-a-computer == hacktivism | Sep 26 17:57 |
| iophk | Have to admit though, Brown has been a bit of a griefer | Sep 26 17:57 |
| schestowitz | `https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383274399719501824 | Sep 26 18:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Learning the the truth about my great-grandfather, and 40,000 Americans during the Great Depression" http://t.co/wqJRoM4ljs | Sep 26 18:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theatlantic.com | Suicide and the Economy - Elizabeth MacBride - The Atlantic | Sep 26 18:01 |
| schestowitz | iophk: got caught doing something less dodgy | Sep 26 18:01 |
| schestowitz | That's all they needed to silence him | Sep 26 18:01 |
| schestowitz | He didn't act cautiously enough, he gave them what they craved | Sep 26 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Assange did too... he HAD SEX! | Sep 26 18:02 |
| iophk | I can't believe that Assange is still being hounded. | Sep 26 18:02 |
| iophk | Why not just make up a charge of witchcraft or something equally likely. | Sep 26 18:03 |
| schestowitz | In the UK, one leading Anonymous person (in London IIRC) was falsely accused of rape, then vilified in the media. The court found him not guilty, but the press wasn't there to cover it. His reputation was shattered. | Sep 26 18:03 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Sep 26 18:03 |
| iophk | That's usually how it works | Sep 26 18:03 |
| iophk | trial by media | Sep 26 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Guess who was given the crown in PP Sweden | Sep 26 18:03 |
| iophk | ? | Sep 26 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Only recently did I see the post where Rickard said he had stepped aside | Sep 26 18:03 |
| schestowitz | It's that Assange accuser, I think | Sep 26 18:04 |
| schestowitz | One of the two, not the CIA-connected one | Sep 26 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Toberg or whatever | Sep 26 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Anna | Sep 26 18:04 |
| iophk | They've cut his sentence, but will probably re-try him in Denmark | Sep 26 18:04 |
| iophk | http://www.startribune.com/world/225172982.html | Sep 26 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.startribune.com | Swedish court halves Pirate Bay founder's sentence for hacking and fraud | Star Tribune [ http://ur1.ca/fpru8 ] | Sep 26 18:04 |
| iophk | http://cphpost.dk/international/pirate-bay-co-founder-headed-denmark-trial | Sep 26 18:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | cphpost.dk | Pirate Bay co-founder headed to Denmark for trial | The Copenhagen Post | The Danish News in English [ http://ur1.ca/fpruv ] | Sep 26 18:06 |
| schestowitz | City of London Execs still not even charged with fraud | Sep 26 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | I need to go grocery shopping soon. Haven't cooked anything this month because of those $5 subs at Subway. | Sep 26 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | They do that like two months out of the year and I start eating there every day instead of shopping. | Sep 26 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | I've thought about just never doing grocery shopping again. There's only one of me and so stuff goes to waste or you buy those frozen dinners and that's just as expensive as eating out, and nowhere near as good. | Sep 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383280790253350912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383281517554065408 | Sep 26 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Intel is still trademarking physics https://t.co/wMaYSkuH9Q it also tried to trademark a number and failed | Sep 26 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linux.com | Will Intel's Quark Run Linux? | Linux.com | Sep 26 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "2013 may go down in history as the year gaming came to Linux." http://t.co/z6O7An9oij #gnu #linux #games | Sep 26 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> tuxradar.com | Open Ballot: A head of Steam, or just a fizzle? | TuxRadar Linux | Sep 26 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/my-money/2013/08/26/5-subscriptions-you-could-be-paying-less-for?s_cid=art_btm | Sep 26 18:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | money.usnews.com | 5 Subscriptions You Could Be Paying Less For - My Money (usnews.com) [ http://ur1.ca/fps6d ] | Sep 26 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be willing to go back to DSL speeds if the price was significantly lower, but it's not. | Sep 26 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T DSL is only 6 Mbps down and you pay about $46 per month. | Sep 26 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | They cap you at 150 GB per month and charge $10 per 50 GB over. | Sep 26 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast has a 25 Mbps down plan (the one I'm on) with a 300 GB cap. | Sep 26 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's supposed to be $72 a month with modem rental included, but I get it for $56 because I call every 6 months and threaten to switch ISPs. | Sep 26 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast almost always agrees to knock you back down to a promotional price, and AT&T almost always doesn't. | Sep 26 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | Really it's a choice between getting gouged or gouged worse. | Sep 26 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast still makes a killing at $56, so they're open to charging that to shut people up and keep their business away from competitors. | Sep 26 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | I looked into Netzero DSL, but it's really just AT&T with the bill on different letterhead. | Sep 26 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | There's a federal law that makes AT&T open up their "infrastructure" to competitors, but it really ends up costing about the same no matter whose company name is on the bill. | Sep 26 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | What's worse is that Netzero can't offer dry loop DSL, so you get stuck paying the phone company for a landline (like $20 a month), so it could end up costing you more. | Sep 26 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have a smartphone. There's just no benefit that outweighs the price of the data packages and various fees, and then you have to sign a contract to get decent phones. They have to let you put a SIM card in an unlocked phone, but the plan pricing is the same, so there's really no reason to do that unless they just don't carry the phone you want. | Sep 26 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | Cable TV is a dinosaur. Companies like HBO should wise up and just start offering a streaming account with a fixed monthly price instead of demanding that people subscribe to HBO over cable to use HBO Go. But, they're retarded and that's why people use The Pirate Bay instead. | Sep 26 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't subscribe to magazines or newspapers. There's no reason to. What year is it? | Sep 26 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | If people canceled the cable TV, the magazines, the newspaper, the smartphone plans they don't need, and called and chewed out Comcast every 6 months, and put the money they saved into their retirement account, they could retire a millionaire. | Sep 26 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | People just spend their money on all kinds of stupid shit they could just as easily live without. | Sep 26 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | Then my mom, who makes about three times as much money as I do and Dave which makes double, are always broke. | Sep 26 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | They wonder why I always buy nice things that I want and have the money to cover it. | Sep 26 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Or why when my car is giving me problems, I can go fix it without taking out a payday loan. | Sep 26 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | There's something going very wrong when a household that makes over $100,000 a year is going to payday loan sharks and maxing out wicked nasty credit cards. | Sep 26 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | For a long time, my mom was even trading in cars that she just got done paying off. Not because anything was wrong with them, but just so she could have the new model. | Sep 26 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | If you pay a car off and all it's costing you is gasoline and the odd part here and there, you're being stupid to trade it in. | Sep 26 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | Buying a new car is also stupid. | Sep 26 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | The way the depreciation works is that a car with half its useful service life left costs about 10% of what a new one costs. | Sep 26 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | Buy a 10 year old car and let someone else get back on the treadmill. If they're going to be stupid, it might as well work in your favor. | Sep 26 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | But check the car out from top to bottom before you buy it. A lot of people with that "$40,000 machine is disposable" mindset have not been maintaining their car. | Sep 26 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | You may have to look at 20 of them before you find one that's worth buying. | Sep 26 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | Look for cars that have dents and dings in them. That really kills the remaining value. | Sep 26 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | Some dents and dings can be the difference between paying $3,000 and paying $5,000. | Sep 26 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | I don't do rust though. Once a car has started rusting, it's basically impossible to stop it. | Sep 26 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | That's how I buy appliances too. The store gets one with a dent in it and suddenly that $1,000 appliance is half price. | Sep 26 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | This year, I made a couple thousand dollars for opening credit cards and bank accounts that I don't use ever again after I get the promotional money. | Sep 26 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | After the promo payoff, I usually just close the account. | Sep 26 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | That's also one of the reasons I tell people to use GNU/Linux on their computer. | Sep 26 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | You use Windows and the computer is only good until the next version, which you also have to pay for again. | Sep 26 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | I see people on Craigslist selling their old computers after realizing that the Windows upgrade made their current system unusable. | Sep 26 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | The best time to buy is right after a new Windows comes out and instantly destroys the remaining value (to them) of the machine. | Sep 26 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | You'll never get rid of all your bills, but you can use them to earn credit card points. | Sep 26 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | Pay it off every month and you work the system against itself. | Sep 26 18:58 |
| MinceR | re | Sep 26 19:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383290399303163905 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383291117464465408 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383291696899174400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383292897250267136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383293323555139584 | Sep 26 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Neoliberalism's unintended consequences http://t.co/W43sd1405h deceptive term | Sep 26 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com | Stumbling and Mumbling: Neoliberalism's unintended consequences | Sep 26 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Google uses obligatory real ID in #Google #Surveillance Plus to apply 'soft' #censorship to comments in #YouTube http://t.co/Zr0Ro1O0Pr | Sep 26 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.cnet.com | YouTube gets the yuck out in comments cleanup | Internet & Media - CNET News | Sep 26 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Is the FSF expanding or has it just lost a vital member of the team? http://t.co/7xwWx6s4e5 | Sep 26 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fsf.org | FSF seeks full-time senior GNU/Linux systems administrator — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Sep 26 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Red Hat's site boosts bizarre and contemptible notions like "the ownership of intellectual property." http://t.co/RzXpKWHVlr | Sep 26 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> opensource.com | Interview with Pam Chestek of Chestek Legal | opensource.com | Sep 26 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: bsod: Exactly what I was expecting http://t.co/o26SgX0G2M ported to Windows yet? | Sep 26 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> inconsolation.wordpress.com | bsod: Exactly what I was expecting | Inconsolation | Sep 26 19:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/383297796020785154 | Sep 26 19:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz I'd suggest corporate control exists already in the ISP's we need to connect. The future control is unavoidable. | Sep 26 19:33 |
| schestowitz | How about nationalising ISPs and phone companies? Done before? | Sep 26 19:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383298541205999617 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383297836143890432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383297763142037504 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383297376087461889 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383297158205943808 | Sep 26 19:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Lingual distortion of corporate-driven society/consumerism https://t.co/C05gZ7J5zT good examples therein | Sep 26 19:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Time to Speak Up Against the NSA’s Mass Spying https://t.co/4TE30J9u2e #nsa #surveillance | Sep 26 19:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Time to Speak Up Against the NSA’s Mass Spying | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Sep 26 19:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Arming 'rebels' https://t.co/FcXOCYEkHU #cia #syria | Sep 26 19:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: On #cognitive #dissonance https://t.co/y578NP3akm | Sep 26 19:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Against corporate control over the Internet https://t.co/nnlWcY6DH6 | Sep 26 19:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/383299055285067776 | Sep 26 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Really? And give control over to whom? The tax payers ergo government? With all those lobbyists influencing them? | Sep 26 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Lobbyists are brought in by telecom companies at present. Imagine eliminating Verizon, AT&T (US) or BT (UK)... | Sep 26 19:38 |
| *flatr0ze (~flatr0ze@108-205-242-13.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights | Sep 26 19:41 | |
| iophk | Somehow they all miss the obvious that software patents are invalid in Europe : http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/26/1815251/steve-jobs-video-kills-apple-patent-in-germany | Sep 26 19:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Steve Jobs Video Kills Apple Patent In Germany - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fpt0k ] | Sep 26 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3111138 | Sep 26 19:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google uses obligatory real ID in #Google #Surveillance Plus to apply 'soft' #censorship to comments in #YouTube http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57604431-93/youtube-gets-the-yuck-out-in-comments-cleanup/ | Sep 26 19:44 |
| schestowitz | "It is erroneous to conflate censorship with comment moderation. I would say it's about bloody time YouTube overhauled their comment system to foster meaningful conversation." | Sep 26 19:44 |
| schestowitz | iophk: probably Florian submitted it | Sep 26 19:45 |
| iophk | It's possible. He's about the only pro-sw-patent voice out there, trying to pose as IT. | Sep 26 19:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/383301182078201856 | Sep 26 19:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz I'm meaning all lobbyists (IP, tobacco etc) I wouldn't like the internet controlled by government..that sounds worse. | Sep 26 19:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/383301381794172928 | Sep 26 19:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Government influence already have Google trying to block TPB. If the ISP was nationalized can you imagine how far they'd go? | Sep 26 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Some things, like health, I would rather have the government manage (even poorly); death as biz is rogue | Sep 26 19:51 |
| iophk | Yeah, it's a link to M$ Florian. | Sep 26 19:53 |
| MinceR | and dirtying a crocodile with a dog | Sep 26 19:53 |
| iophk | It's annoying that /. passed it through | Sep 26 19:54 |
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| schestowitz_mob | http://fossforce.com/2013/09/wordpress-update-goes-awry/ | Sep 26 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | When a WordPress Update Goes Awry - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/fptcb ] | Sep 26 20:07 |
| schestowitz_mob | "Be very careful with abandoned plugins- I had one that started serving up hidden porn spam." | Sep 26 20:07 |
| schestowitz_mob | iophk, it makes sense for /. | Sep 26 20:07 |
| schestowitz_mob | they helped groom him | Sep 26 20:07 |
| iophk | Then it is continuing | Sep 26 20:08 |
| iophk | Too bad Groklaw is gone. That was another voice putting him in his place | Sep 26 20:08 |
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| DaemonFC | http://wealthartisan.com/why-do-new-cars-depreciate-sharply/ | Sep 26 20:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | wealthartisan.com | Why Do New Cars Depreciate Sharply? — Wealth Artisan [ http://ur1.ca/fptt2 ] | Sep 26 20:41 |
| MinceR | because the fact that nobody did unknown/unspeakable things to your car is highly valuable? :> | Sep 26 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | My car had two owners before me. | Sep 26 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | It actually started out as a fleet vehicle. | Sep 26 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | Then the second owner was a really old couple that just wanted something newer. | Sep 26 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that spending $2,000 on a car is taking a huge risk. | Sep 26 20:47 |
| MinceR | mine had at least two owners before me, probably more | Sep 26 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | Red flags are "It was a rental car" or "It was driven by a teenager.". | Sep 26 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | Especially teenaged boys. | Sep 26 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | They do some really dumb shit with cars. | Sep 26 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | You should look for cars that old people drive. | Sep 26 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | Not only do most of them go under the speed limit, but they tend to keep them in garages and not drive them 50 miles to work and back every day. | Sep 26 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | So you can find some 10 year old cars with less than 80,000 miles on them. | Sep 26 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | My next door neighbor is in his 90s. | Sep 26 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | He's still driving his old Cadillac from the 70s. | Sep 26 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | But a lot of people in their 90s will buy a Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, Lincoln Towncar... | Sep 26 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Then they'll have it for 10 years, put about 60 or 70,000 miles on it, and then die. | Sep 26 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | Their kids don't want the car because "it's old" | Sep 26 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | So they sell it for a few thousand dollars to get rid of it. | Sep 26 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | You walk away from the deal with a $30,000 car that's barely been used and their idiot kids go back to making their $400 a month car payment. | Sep 26 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | There's this dude with a NICE '91 Crown Vic that lives about 10 miles from me. It's up for sale. I stopped to ask about it. He wants $4,000 for it. | Sep 26 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | It's been sitting there for several months. | Sep 26 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | He said he bought it and put new brakes and tires on it for his son, and then his son said "I don't want that! It's old!" | Sep 26 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't be embarrassed to drive a '91 Crown Vic. It only has 48,000 miles on it. | Sep 26 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't have $4,000 laying around just yet. | Sep 26 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://wealthartisan.com/should-i-buy-a-used-car/ | Sep 26 20:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | wealthartisan.com | Should I Buy A Used Car? — Wealth Artisan [ http://ur1.ca/fpu0d ] | Sep 26 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | lol @ Buy Here Pay Here | Sep 26 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | You'd be doing better to just look in the $2,000 and less section on Craigslist. | Sep 26 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | The interest and depreciation of a new car are a real double whammy. | Sep 26 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | It's not something people should really want to take on unless they have so much money they don't know what to do with it all. | Sep 26 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.findthebestcarprice.com/slash-your-monthly-car-payments/ | Sep 26 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.findthebestcarprice.com | Slash your monthly car payments in 10 minutes [ http://ur1.ca/fpu2i ] | Sep 26 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, only it doesn't always work. | Sep 26 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | Banks don't like to poach each others customers with lower interest rates. | Sep 26 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they do, but they don't want to get into a bidding war for low interest rates and ruin each other. | Sep 26 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | So what will usually happen is they'll find some minor blemish on your credit report and tell you that they're really sorry, but they just can't refinance your loan. | Sep 26 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody should ever buy a used car thinking that they will be able to refinance. Even if your credit score improves, that's not always an option. | Sep 26 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | errr *new car | Sep 26 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | My mom tried doing that once and she found that out. | Sep 26 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | She ended up stuck at her original interest rate until the car was paid off. | Sep 26 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | Now her credit is trashed again because she married Dave. He won't even pay the $5 bill in the summer to keep the gas turned on. | Sep 26 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | He almost caused them to lose their car insurance. | Sep 26 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | So she's stuck with her '03 impala with 270,000 miles and rising. | Sep 26 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | It's done some rather horrible things that you'd expect a car with almost 300,000 miles to do. | Sep 26 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | What's worse is that she depends on it to go 30 miles to work and back every day. | Sep 26 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | There's jobs she could get here in town, but they don't pay what she's used to making. | Sep 26 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why she insists on living here. There's nothing here. | Sep 26 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4086691020.html | Sep 26 21:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 2003 RED Chevy Impala [ http://ur1.ca/fpu6k ] | Sep 26 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | "Well maintained. Needs transmission and front wheel bearings repaired/replaced." | Sep 26 21:08 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I maintained it! | Sep 26 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | I maintained the hell out of it! | Sep 26 21:08 |
| MinceR | Vlad the Impala | Sep 26 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | I maintained it all the way through that pothole at 90 miles an hour in gear 1. | Sep 26 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 26 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | Cause that's what I do! | Sep 26 21:08 |
| MinceR | maintain speed and bearing | Sep 26 21:09 |
| MinceR | "but there's a wall in the way" | Sep 26 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | RAMMING SPEED! | Sep 26 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | That's actually why there's no department of motor vehicles in Columbia City right now. | Sep 26 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | The police were in a high speed chase with a drunk driver. | Sep 26 21:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | He went down the street at 70 miles an hour and lost control of his car. | Sep 26 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | It slammed into the DMV office. | Sep 26 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | How's that for irony? | Sep 26 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | It was horrible. There was blood and license plate tax stamps everywhere! | Sep 26 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 26 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | Then there's the idiots that sell their car and don't take the license plate of. | Sep 26 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | *off | Sep 26 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Then they wonder why they're getting traffic tickets in the mail. | Sep 26 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4092768382.html | Sep 26 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1997 mercury sable with 112,000 miles [ http://ur1.ca/fpu9c ] | Sep 26 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | I might buy that. | Sep 26 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | That's odd. It has almost exactly as many miles on it as my Taurus did when I bought it. | Sep 26 21:15 |
| *DaemonFC has never owned a car that was under 100,000 miles at the time of purchase. | Sep 26 21:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | Maybe if I bought that Mercury I could sell my car and get enough for some new tires. | Sep 26 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 26 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | just fund out about another streaming service | Sep 26 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | a UK one anyway at least | Sep 26 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it makes me wonder if it will be yet another movie streaming servie | Sep 26 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | that requires stuff that isn't Desktop LInux | Sep 26 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | since the DRM | Sep 26 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | I might just call the dude and start rattling off some questions. | Sep 26 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | I got all the way out to Hartford City yesterday over what looked like a great deal, and the car was even worse than what I drive now. | Sep 26 21:52 |
| JimmyCarter | steam os will save the world | Sep 26 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | I called the dude about the Sable. | Sep 26 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | Went to his voicemail. | Sep 26 22:19 |
| JimmyCarter | valve's steam os is who obama should have been | Sep 26 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | That is a NICE car. | Sep 26 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | Could stand to go through the car wash though. | Sep 26 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | Well, if I buy it, that's the first place we're going. | Sep 26 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | They have those Mike's car washes up in Fort Wayne where it's full service and they even get in and shampoo the carpets and do detailing and armor all and all that nice stuff. | Sep 26 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, MinceR, I sure wish I had $40,000 laying around that I absolutely could spend today. | Sep 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | don't we all | Sep 26 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | If I did, I'd be going up to the Ford dealer and buying a 2014 Taurus SHO. | Sep 26 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | But, we do what we can. Right? :) | Sep 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 26 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | I figure that if I have $1,900 for a car, it's going to be the nicest $1,900 car that's out there. | Sep 26 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | I think a 1997 Sable LS with 112,000 miles is a pretty good $1,900 car. | Sep 26 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'll sell my 95 Taurus SHO and get maybe $1,100 out of it. | Sep 26 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | That's in rough shape. | Sep 26 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | The only thing holding it above $1,000 is the "SHO" part. | Sep 26 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 22:23 |
| MinceR | fo sho | Sep 26 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | People see a deal on a SHO and they come running. Doesn't matter if it is in rough shape. They want it because of the engine. | Sep 26 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chf90jvW0fs | Sep 26 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | 95' Taurus SHO - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fpv5l ] | Sep 26 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | Mine is like that, only mine is green. | Sep 26 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | My favorite Ford color is Toreador Red. | Sep 26 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | It will get up to 140 miles per hour. | Sep 26 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | I did it once. | Sep 26 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know if it goes faster than that, but that's where the speedometer stops. | Sep 26 22:26 |
| MinceR | could use gps or something :> | Sep 26 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | The Sable LS that I'm looking at has a Duratec 30 engine in it. | Sep 26 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ford bought the design off of Porsche. | Sep 26 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | The 95 Taurus SHO has a Yamaha engine in it. | Sep 26 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ford was going to develop a sports car but canceled it after they committed to buying a number of engines. | Sep 26 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | So they stuck them in the Taurus. | Sep 26 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The best thing about the dual overhead cam 3 liter V6 models that Ford uses is that they're about as powerful as the small block V8 that they were using for a while in the Taurus SHO, but they get much better gas mileage. | Sep 26 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | A guy I used to work with offered to sell me his '97 SHO and I turned it down because it had the V8. | Sep 26 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | Gas guzzler. | Sep 26 22:29 |
| MinceR | gn | Sep 26 22:36 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=buy&story=beforeTest&subject=how_buy | Sep 26 22:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cars.com | Inspecting a Used Car - Cars.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpvdw ] | Sep 26 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | As far as the tires go, it should be a crime to put used tires on a car. | Sep 26 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | If people are anything like me, they wait until there's 20% of the tread left and then swap them out for new ones. | Sep 26 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | I keep good tires on my car even though it isn't in great shape. | Sep 26 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Bald tires turn your car into a death trap. | Sep 26 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | A little bit of rain and you turn and skid or try to stop and slide into the vehicle in front of you. | Sep 26 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Tripled insurance premiums are going to be a lot more expensive than a set of tires from Walmart. | Sep 26 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | The shit that some people do to their cars is just unbelievable. | Sep 26 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen them ready for the junkyard before they even hit 100,000 miles. | Sep 26 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen them still running after 300,000. | Sep 26 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | You'd think that people would take some pride in their stuff or at least try to make their $30,000 vehicle last for some years after the payments stop. | Sep 26 22:49 |
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| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/roku-adds-50-dollar-streaming-multimedia-player/ | Sep 26 04:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | Roku adds $50 streaming multimedia player LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpmhg ] | Sep 26 04:23 |
| iophk | 2 watts - http://linuxgizmos.com/new-roku-players-add-gaming-subtract-power/ | Sep 26 04:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | New Roku players add gaming, subtract power LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpmhp ] | Sep 26 04:23 |
| MinceR | http://bgr.com/2013/09/24/nokia-elop-bonus-scandal/ | Sep 26 04:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | bgr.com | Nokia Elop Bonus Scandal: Elop refuses smaller bonus, cites divorce | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/fpmmm ] | Sep 26 04:38 |
| MinceR | geekings | Sep 26 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4081641719.html | Sep 26 05:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1999 monte carlo o.b.o. [ http://ur1.ca/fpmuu ] | Sep 26 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | "Hood has a dent from some lard ass setting on it at a concert." | Sep 26 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Sep 26 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | That's some dent... | Sep 26 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then there's probably some other listing for the 350 big block lard ass that sat on the hood of that Monte Carlo. | Sep 26 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | Yours if you'll haul him away. | Sep 26 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | Gonad The Barbarian is still driving his '98 Dodge Ram that gets like 10 mpg. | Sep 26 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | I swear the gas mileage is so bad on that thing that you can basically watch the gas gauge falling while you're driving it. | Sep 26 05:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Part of what made me back away from that Crown Vic was the kind of gas mileage I got while I was test driving it. | Sep 26 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | It was telling me 19 mpg on the highway. | Sep 26 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | You'll pass everything but the gas station. | Sep 26 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | I used to work with a guy that drove his moped to work and back even though he had a car. | Sep 26 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | He said $3 worth of gas would get him to work and back for an entire week. | Sep 26 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | The world of bank loans is pretty twisted. | Sep 26 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | It compels people to buy a more expensive vehicle than they actually need. | Sep 26 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | Banks don't like doing five year loans for less than $12,000, because they're taking a risk that you'll default, but if you took out a loan for less, they'd only stand to make several hundred dollars off of you. | Sep 26 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | A friend of mine had them offer him a 5 year loan of $7,600 @ 4.9% APR. I told him a way around that though. | Sep 26 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | Credit card companies often do 12-15 months of 0% APR as a promotional rate. So you put the entire car on the credit card and then make payments each month, then when your time is about up, you open up a new card with someone else and transfer the remaining balance owed over to that, and you get another year or so with no interest. | Sep 26 05:37 |
| roy_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383137551273713664 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383152730896105472 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383160857318154240 | Sep 26 05:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Coming Soon: Richard Stallman Interview for 30th GNU Anniversary http://t.co/W0rnFJOo6s #gnu #linux #fsf #freedom #software | Sep 26 05:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Coming Soon: Richard Stallman Interview for 30th GNU Anniversary | Techrights | Sep 26 05:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Greg KH Still Pushing the #Linux Foundation Into Restricted Boot Territory, Ignoring the Real Threat (Back Doors) http://t.co/FygfnV8zYx | Sep 26 05:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Former Novell Staff Still Pushing the Linux Foundation Into Restricted Boot Territory, Ignoring the Real Threat (Back Doors) | Techrights | Sep 26 05:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Another Financial Collapse is Coming, We Need to Facilitate Banking Whistleblowers http://t.co/Tt9i7YXtlt #elmer #finance | Sep 26 05:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Another Financial Collapse is Coming, We Need to Facilitate Banking Whistleblowers | Techrights | Sep 26 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | If you're only in the market to buy a $7,000-$8,000 car and you can get it paid off in a few years, you can get an interest free car loan by exploiting credit card promos. | Sep 26 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of dealers have a $3,000 limit on what you can charge though, but if the car costs 8 and you can come up with 5, then that plan still works. | Sep 26 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | There are always some dealers that let you put the entire car on your card. | Sep 26 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | Banks typically encourage dealers to set limits because they don't like people borrowing lots of money and never owing any interest on it. | Sep 26 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | So it's a violation of the merchant rules, but it's tolerated. | Sep 26 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | My strategy this time is going to be looking for a 10-15 year old car that some old person never really drove that often. 10-15 year old cars with 40 or 50,000 miles on them pop up from time to time because some old person dies and the kids don't really want the car. | Sep 26 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, For several years, I drove a 1968 Buick that needed a bottle of lead substitute each time you filled up the tank. | Sep 26 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | This old dude died and the kids just wanted rid of the car, so I got it for $300. | Sep 26 05:45 |
| *DaemonFC would love to get a deal like that again. | Sep 26 05:46 | |
| DaemonFC | Drive around for five years on a $300 car. | Sep 26 05:46 |
| roy_ | [21:09] <DaemonFC> A Ford Taurus with 352,593 miles on the odometer! | Sep 26 05:46 |
| roy_ | Al Bundy with a magnet | Sep 26 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | I remember one winter that the snow and ice got so bad that it was literally me and the national guard on the road. | Sep 26 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | roy_, It's almost unheard of to see a car with over 250,000 on the original engine and transmission. | Sep 26 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | Transmissions like to go out at some point between 150 and 200. | Sep 26 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | People usually get rid of the car at that point just because they see a bill to replace the transmission. | Sep 26 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | Most of them would be better off to rebuilt it and keep driving. | Sep 26 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | They could make it another 5 years without a car payment for that $1,500 one time expense. | Sep 26 05:49 |
| ---roy_ is now known as schestowitz | Sep 26 05:49 | |
| DaemonFC | *rebuild | Sep 26 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | Car payments are so bad now that anything worth buying is going to run you about $350-$400 per month. | Sep 26 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | So a transmission rebuild is like 3 months worth of car payments. | Sep 26 05:50 |
| schestowitz | iophk: re New Roku players add gaming, subtract power http://linuxgizmos.com/new-roku-players-add-gaming-subtract-power/ | Sep 26 05:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | New Roku players add gaming, subtract power LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpmhp ] | Sep 26 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | I think I could keep my Taurus going for a few more years. | Sep 26 05:51 |
| schestowitz | What's relevant about this news from 2011? | Sep 26 05:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3109762 | Sep 26 05:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | That Mitchell and... [ http://ur1.ca/fpnau ] | Sep 26 05:51 |
| schestowitz | I LOLed so much | Sep 26 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | I may have to put a few hundred dollars into it, but driving around in something that isn't going to win any beauty contests is better than making a car payment. | Sep 26 05:51 |
| schestowitz | Almost tears in my eyes, wife couldn't figure out why | Sep 26 05:51 |
| schestowitz | iophk: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3109770 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3109773 | Sep 26 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | It is almost to the point where I feel like Al Bundy and his Dodge. | Sep 26 05:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | Elop and #fraud h... [ http://ur1.ca/fpnb5 ] | Sep 26 05:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | NSA-friendly mail... [ http://ur1.ca/fpnb6 ] | Sep 26 05:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383164774223446016 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383165145448738816 | Sep 26 05:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Elop and #fraud http://t.co/M9wSOPHHRd #nokia #microsoft #entryism | Sep 26 05:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.forbes.com | Nokia Admits Giving Misleading Information About Elop's Compensation - Forbes | Sep 26 05:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA-friendly mail host is mismanaging mailboxes http://t.co/18QdGnofy0 #yahoo #microsoft | Sep 26 05:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fastcompany.com | A "Not My Email" Button, Because Yahoo Users Are Getting Other People's Emails | Fast Company | Business + Innovation | Sep 26 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | If I had to go buy something right now, it would probably be something like this. | Sep 26 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.customcarcaredecatur.com/detail-2003-ford-taurus-se-used-10179712.html | Sep 26 05:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.customcarcaredecatur.com | 2003 Used Ford Taurus SE at Custom Car Care Serving Decatur, IN, IID 10179712 [ http://ur1.ca/fpnbz ] | Sep 26 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe they want $3,995 for that though. When I bought my 1995 in 2005, it had about that many miles on it, and it cost $2,000. | Sep 26 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to try to save up and pay in cash. | Sep 26 05:56 |
| iophk | schestowitz: what do the diaspora links say? that site never works on linux for me | Sep 26 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | If I had to, I'd bust out the credit card, but I don't really want to do that. | Sep 26 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | It's a better option than going to a bad credit car lot, but that's not saying much. | Sep 26 05:56 |
| iophk | It is big news that Nokia hid the changes to Elop's contract. | Sep 26 05:56 |
| iophk | Flat out lied, it seems. | Sep 26 05:56 |
| iophk | I wonder what they themselves get out of it. | Sep 26 05:57 |
| iophk | It seems like they were laughing about the decline all along. | Sep 26 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | Financing a couple thousand dollars of that car on the credit card at 12.9 is not ideal, but a bad credit car lot that had that car would sell it for something more like $6,500, and then finance it at 18. | Sep 26 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's just one of the costs of being poor. | Sep 26 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | "The poor pay more." | Sep 26 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | I've read horror stories about those buy here pay here lots. | Sep 26 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | People get themselves into a nasty deal like I described, and then sometimes the car doesn't even make it all the way back to their home from the lot. | Sep 26 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | Dave's credit is like that, so he bought his pickup truck off one of those lots. | Sep 26 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | He got it paid off just in time for the engine to take a dive and need rebuilt. | Sep 26 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | By that time, the air conditioner compressor was bad too, so it was in the shop for a few weeks, and he ended up paying a few thousand more. | Sep 26 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | Trucks are just expensive period. I've seen new ones priced at $63,000. | Sep 26 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/new-2013-Ford-Taurus-4dr_Sdn_SHO_AWD-Columbia_City-IN/1931925063 | Sep 26 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cityautomall.com | 2013 Ford Taurus for sale in Columbia City - 1FAHP2KT7DG199164 - City Automall [ http://ur1.ca/fpnfm ] | Sep 26 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | $38,901 + tax, title, license, and dealer documentation fees. | Sep 26 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | And that's "on sale" because they're trying to get it off their lot to make room for a 2014. | Sep 26 06:05 |
| iophk | distraction from the issues:http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/26/former-nokia-ceo-divorce-stephen-elop-payoff | Sep 26 06:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Former Nokia chief cites divorce as he refuses to scale down 16m payoff | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpnoh ] | Sep 26 06:26 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049369/amd-nvidia-ramp-up-linux-driver-support-after-valves-steamos-announcement.html | Sep 26 06:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | AMD, Nvidia ramp up Linux driver support after Valve's SteamOS announcement | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fpnpd ] | Sep 26 06:29 |
| schestowitz | iophk: D* says the same as twitter | Sep 26 06:37 |
| iophk | ok | Sep 26 06:38 |
| schestowitz | iophk: personifying the issue | Sep 26 06:38 |
| iophk | yes, it's a distraction by trying to make it about his personal life | Sep 26 06:38 |
| schestowitz | iophk: mentioned Elop here https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383178486745432064 | Sep 26 06:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft Moles in HP, the Bill Hilf Edition http://t.co/5xykjaWItU #microsoft #hp #gnu #linux #windows | Sep 26 06:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft Moles in HP, the Bill Hilf Edition | Techrights | Sep 26 06:39 |
| iophk | See the one by the Master: "Checkers speech" | Sep 26 06:39 |
| schestowitz | iophk: it also sells the story better | Sep 26 06:39 |
| schestowitz | for some, gossip is more interesting | Sep 26 06:39 |
| iophk | it's also an attempt to trivialize the issue by making it about his divorce instead of large-scale fraud and deception | Sep 26 06:40 |
| iophk | Though it is hard to call it deception. A great many were not fooled by him at all, but those were not in positions of influence. | Sep 26 06:40 |
| iophk | Will the Finns wake up and smell the coffee about M$? | Sep 26 06:41 |
| iophk | Elop, and his owner M$, should be sued for the 10's or 100's of billions that Nokia was worth before his arrival. | Sep 26 06:43 |
| MinceR | probably for more so that the sentence has deterrent force | Sep 26 06:44 |
| iophk | It has to be big enough to cut into their profits or they will just treat it like the other fines, just the cost of doing business. | Sep 26 06:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 26 06:48 |
| iophk | Many times M$ has been able delay the punishment for close to a decade. | Sep 26 06:49 |
| iophk | I'm not sure how that process could be speeded up. | Sep 26 06:49 |
| iophk | Even the EU cases dragged on until they were rendered toothless. | Sep 26 06:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes, indeed | Sep 26 07:03 |
| schestowitz | !google HSBC money laundering fine a joke | Sep 26 07:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - HSBC's $1.9 Billion Money Laundering Fine And the Somalian Cost ... | http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/08/hsbcs-1-9-billion-money-laundering-fine-and-the-somalian-cost-of-bank-regulation/ | Sep 26 07:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Taibbi: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213 | Sep 26 07:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - HSBC to pay $1.9 billion U.S. fine in money-laundering case | Reuters | http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/11/us-hsbc-probe-idUSBRE8BA05M20121211 | Sep 26 07:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Whistleblower: HSBC $1.9 billion fine 'a joke' - WorldNetDaily | http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/whistleblower-hsbc-1-9-billion-fine-a-joke/ | Sep 26 07:03 |
| schestowitz | see [2] and [4] | Sep 26 07:04 |
| iophk | Rolling Stone has some good writers. | Sep 26 07:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3106131 | Sep 26 07:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As the World Progresses Protest is Being Banned in the United States and Its Allies http://techrights.org/2013/09/25/online-protest-banned/ #protest | Sep 26 07:06 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes, what;'s left of them | Sep 26 07:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | As the World Progresses Protest is Being Banned in the United States and Its Allies | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fpdpq ] | Sep 26 07:06 |
| schestowitz | One of them was recently killed by the CIA or the FBI recently, suggests strong evidence | Sep 26 07:07 |
| schestowitz | !google fiery crash rolling stones | Sep 26 07:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Michael Hastings Death: Newly Unearthed Surveillance Video ... | http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-hastings-death-newly-unearthed-594175 | Sep 26 07:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Less than a day after the BuzzFeed and Rolling Stone reporter died ... | http://12160.info/page/less-than-a-day-after-the-buzzfeed-and-rolling-stone-reporter-die | Sep 26 07:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Michael Hastings conspiracy theories: Web goes wild after NSA, CIA ... | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/conspiracy-theories-abound-michael-hastings-death-article-1.1377392 | Sep 26 07:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Journalist Michael Hastings Was Investigating CIA Director at Time ... | http://www.globalresearch.ca/journalist-michael-hastings-was-investigating-cia-director-at-time-of-deadly-crash/5346028 | Sep 26 07:07 |
| iophk | Yeah one of the articles mentioned that the car caught fire before crashing. | Sep 26 07:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 07:09 |
| schestowitz | What makes you think Monsanto is not DDoSing and otherwise harassing protest sites, Brad? Techrights gets DDoS all the time. Others have gotten worse. | Sep 26 07:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8354 http://darkernet.in/mapping-the-evidence-that-connects-the-law-firm-barrett-brown-investigated-with-his-prosecution/ | Sep 26 07:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bradblog.com | The BRAD BLOG : U.S. Chamber of Commerce Thugs Used 'Terror Tools' for Disinfo Scheme Targeting Me, My Family, Other Progressive U.S. Citizens, Groups | Sep 26 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman explains the similarity between what Anonymous does and an ordinary protest. | Sep 26 07:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/17/anonymous-wikileaks-protest-amazon-mastercard | Sep 26 07:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | darkernet.in | Mapping the evidence that connects the law firm Barrett Brown investigated with his prosecution | Darker Net [ http://ur1.ca/fpo89 ] | Sep 26 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Calling these protests DDoS, or distributed denial of service, attacks is misleading, too. A DDoS attack is done with thousands of "zombie" computers. Typically, somebody breaks the security of those computers (often with a virus) and takes remote control of them, then rigs them up as a "botnet" to do in unison whatever he directs (in this case, to overload a server). The Anonymous protesters' computers are not zombies; presumably they | Sep 26 07:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | The Anonymous WikiLeaks protests are a mass demo against control | Richard Stallman | Comment is free | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpo8b ] | Sep 26 07:09 |
| schestowitz | are being individually operated. | Sep 26 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Remember not to let your morals be guided by the law. It's the law that's supposed to follow our morals. At some point, when society becomes too oppressive, it is our moral obligation to not obey laws imposed by rich and powerful people on the rest of us. | Sep 26 07:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes law is used as an instrument against the "threat" of morality. | Sep 26 07:09 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3105826 | Sep 26 07:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When you 'help' people avoid ('protect' them) from 'bad' stuff you're basically imposing on them your own prejudices. | Sep 26 07:10 |
| schestowitz | "We do help people avoid non free software and based on carefully considered opinion, not prejudice." | Sep 26 07:10 |
| iophk | * thousands of "zombie" computers == windows(tm) | Sep 26 07:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3105824 | Sep 26 07:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: British press seemingly upset that in the #uk there is *NO* #censorship in some networks http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/25/porn-knives-and-drugs-websites-accessible-on-most-public-wi-fi http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10332010/Porn-on-most-free-public-WiFi-networks.html | Sep 26 07:12 |
| schestowitz | :"Censors always think they have something to gain by shutting people up. Sooner or later, they learn what a mistake that is." | Sep 26 07:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Porn, knives and drugs websites accessible on most public Wi-Fi | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fp4ax ] | Sep 26 07:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.telegraph.co.uk | Porn on most free public WiFi networks - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/fp4aw ] | Sep 26 07:12 |
| schestowitz | Unless the censorship is successfully hidden, by "disciplining" people to reject certain views or teaching people that censorship really protects them | Sep 26 07:13 |
| schestowitz | iophk: not always | Sep 26 07:13 |
| schestowitz | some DDOS attacks can just be hundreds of people reloading a page manually from one server | Sep 26 07:13 |
| schestowitz | works against smaller sites | Sep 26 07:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3105821 | Sep 26 07:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: PopSci doesn't want to hear back from angry readers http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/why-were-shutting-our-comments | Sep 26 07:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.popsci.com | Why We're Shutting Off Our Comments | Popular Science [ http://ur1.ca/fp2x1 ] | Sep 26 07:15 |
| schestowitz | "Lauren Weinstein agrees that this is a mistake, "<a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/114753028665775786510/posts/dm9mZGDD25R">The issue is real. Their "solution" is inane and counterproductive. Shame on them.</a>"" | Sep 26 07:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | plus.google.com | Lauren Weinstein - Google+ - "Comments can be bad for science. That's why, here at [ http://ur1.ca/fpoan ] | Sep 26 07:15 |
| iophk | DDOS can be due to intentional slashdot effect | Sep 26 07:15 |
| iophk | http://rt.com/usa/michael-hastings-car-neighbor-853/ | Sep 26 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/f75hc ] | Sep 26 07:26 |
| iophk | a little old - http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/barrett-brown-faces-105-years-in-jail-20130905 | Sep 26 07:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.rollingstone.com | Barrett Brown: America's Least Likely Political Prisoner | Culture News | Rolling Stone [ http://ur1.ca/fpohj ] | Sep 26 07:34 |
| iophk | "He copy-pasted a publicly available link containing publicly available data that he was researching in his capacity as a journalist." | Sep 26 07:36 |
| MinceR | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24246646 | Sep 26 07:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Apple Maps flaw results in drivers crossing airport runway [ http://ur1.ca/fparv ] | Sep 26 07:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383194122968121344 | Sep 26 07:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNOME Desktop Approaches 3.10 and Finds Wider Acceptance http://t.co/v1mewQn5M0 #gnome #gnu #linux | Sep 26 07:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | GNOME Desktop Approaches 3.10 and Finds Wider Acceptance | Techrights | Sep 26 07:40 |
| iophk | http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/09/25/steam-rolling-into-your-living-room/ | Sep 26 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.nvidia.com | Steam Rolling Into Your Living Room [ http://ur1.ca/fpol2 ] | Sep 26 07:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383194690428096512 | Sep 26 07:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple is a killer app http://t.co/4vhVkrwOHV | Sep 26 07:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 07:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383197514352316416 | Sep 26 07:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Steam Rolling Into Your Living Room http://t.co/VhnCenUzlv #steam #gnu #linux | Sep 26 07:53 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z-sdO6pwVHQ | Sep 26 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Help Kickstart World War III! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fpp4q ] | Sep 26 08:38 |
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| iophk | Quite mainstream: http://techland.time.com/2013/09/24/the-state-of-linux-gaming-with-valves-steamos/ | Sep 26 09:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techland.time.com | The State of Linux Gaming with Valves SteamOS | TIME.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpphp ] | Sep 26 09:14 |
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| iophk | "A decade later in an interview with CNET, Bradley said he didnt really know why Microsoft decided to make his invention their log-in command." | Sep 26 09:56 |
| iophk | http://www.geekwire.com/2013/gates-harvard/ | Sep 26 09:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.geekwire.com | Finally: Bill Gates admits Control-Alt-Delete was a mistake - GeekWire [ http://ur1.ca/fppxk ] | Sep 26 09:57 |
| iophk | It was because Windows was so frequently locking up that Windows users were pressing it many times per day. | Sep 26 09:57 |
| iophk | Using it as an official function changed the psychological approach to it. | Sep 26 09:57 |
| iophk | It was marketing, basically. | Sep 26 09:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 09:58 |
| iophk | As a result of getting mocked for the "three-finger salute" | Sep 26 09:58 |
| iophk | So geekwire is helping spread a bit of revisionist history there. | Sep 26 09:59 |
| iophk | With W95 and W98 you could be pressing ctrl-alt-del a dozen times in a single 8-hour work day. | Sep 26 09:59 |
| iophk | It bordered on unusable. | Sep 26 10:06 |
| iophk | on the wrong side of that border. | Sep 26 10:08 |
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| DaemonFC | gas prices came down a little bit more | Sep 26 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | Last month they got up to $4.26 per gallon. | Sep 26 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | I just filled up my tank a few minutes ago at $3.37. | Sep 26 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | Which is really like $3.32 for me because I have a credit card that gives me a small discount. | Sep 26 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 26 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | Dave will watch just about anything on TV. He was watching Cops the other night and they drove past a gas station and gas was $1.42 per gallon. | Sep 26 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that and said "You're watching a 10 year old rerun of Cops...." | Sep 26 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | I thought I came across a Craigslist deal on a pickup truck. | Sep 26 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | It looked awesome and then I saw that it only had the 2.2 liter inline 4 engine. | Sep 26 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | What good is a 130 HP engine in a pickup truck? | Sep 26 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | A pickup truck with the engine out of a Chevy Cavalier. | Sep 26 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | I've driven a Chevy Cavalier as a loaner car when mine was in the shop. That engine is just barely good enough for a cheap little car. | Sep 26 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | I backed up into a telephone pole and put a dent the size of an orange in the rear bumper. | Sep 26 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | Got out, started panicking, then popped the dent out with my bare hands. | Sep 26 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | Barely even qualifies as a car. | Sep 26 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | One step up from a Geo Metro. | Sep 26 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe they used the same engine in a truck. | Sep 26 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | Not only is that engine pathetic, it's also expensive to maintain and extremely unreliable. | Sep 26 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | It's an interference engine, so if the timing belt ever breaks, you're looking at a rebuild. | Sep 26 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | At least Ford's cheap 4 cylinder engines are non-interference. If the timing belt breaks, you don't destroy the engine. You're in for a tow though. | Sep 26 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | I guess you could damage it if you sit there trying to restart the car. :) | Sep 26 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | But GM's inline 4 is destroyed the second the belt breaks. | Sep 26 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The reason I don't want any part of a GM car with a 4 cylinder engine is....guess how many people replace the timing belt on schedule? | Sep 26 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | It's a $400 job that you're supposed to do every 50,000 miles. | Sep 26 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | Most people just happen to be lucky and get away with over 150,000 on the original belt before it snaps. | Sep 26 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | So if you buy a GM vehicle with a timing belt, expect to do a belt change right after buying the vehicle. | Sep 26 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | I've had GM vehicles and I've had Ford vehicles, and I'll tell you what. Ford just makes better stuff. | Sep 26 10:22 |
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| DaemonFC | That's also why I only purchase vehicles with a V6 engine in them, even if it's just a small 3 liter. | Sep 26 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | Ford and GM both use timing chains in their V6 engines. | Sep 26 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | Should never have to be changed. | Sep 26 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | That alone is worth getting a couple less mpg. | Sep 26 10:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: you are not right on all GM engines have timing chains in v6 class. | Sep 26 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | The ones I've owned had chains. | Sep 26 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | The only good part about those cars was the 3.1 liter V6. | Sep 26 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | The 3.4 liter ones had defective intake manifold gaskets. | Sep 26 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | You'd replace them about every 50,000 miles because they'd already be leaking again. | Sep 26 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | They should have been recalled, but GM didn't want to do that because it would cost more to fix their defective engines than they had money on hand. | Sep 26 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | They liked to put those in some mid-grade Buicks and Oldsmobiles, and their Chevy Venture, Pontiac Montana, and Oldsmobile Silhouette vans. | Sep 26 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | Those vans were largely unreliable. | Sep 26 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | It's why you see so many of them that only have 100,000 miles on them being sold for next to nothing. | Sep 26 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | Bad engine and rust problems, mostly. | Sep 26 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | Some transmission issues too. | Sep 26 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | If you're going to buy a van, buy a Ford van. | Sep 26 10:29 |
| MinceR | no. | Sep 26 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | If you're going to buy a car, either get a Ford car, or if you're looking at GM, get one with a 3.1 liter V6. | Sep 26 10:29 |
| MinceR | i'll get a honda, a toyota or a lexus | Sep 26 10:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | Those powertrain on those GM vans that had all the problems were made in a factory in Georgia that GM finally shut down permanently in 2008. | Sep 26 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Honda. Good call if you have the money for one. | Sep 26 10:31 |
| MinceR | and if they make a vehicle in the category you're looking for :> | Sep 26 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | For a car with similar age and miles, you double the price when you go Honda instead of Ford. | Sep 26 10:31 |
| MinceR | they don't make large SUV-s, for example | Sep 26 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | My Ford Taurus is 20 years old and still runs fine. | Sep 26 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Honda and Toyota are the only car companies with decent four cylinder engines. | Sep 26 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | They're the only four cylinder engines that I think most of them would make it over 200,000 miles. | Sep 26 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | You can judge about how reliable a car company's designs are by how many of each class of vehicle is still in service after 20 years or 200,000 miles. | Sep 26 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | GM and Ford's compact cars with four cylinder engines just don't make it. | Sep 26 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | The service manual stops at 150,000 miles for a reason. | Sep 26 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 10:34 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's about the longest you'd expect one to last. | Sep 26 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | My car is a beater but it still runs fine. | Sep 26 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | That's about all you can expect of a 20 year old vehicle. | Sep 26 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | Definitely not bad for a car I paid $2,000 for 8 years ago. | Sep 26 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | When I go to buy a newer car, MinceR...... | Sep 26 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | I believe I'll do what I did last time. | Sep 26 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | a 10 year old Ford Taurus with about 100,000 miles on it | Sep 26 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | They're in the $3,500-$4,000 range now because of all the Obamabucks floating around. | Sep 26 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | But you're not going to do a lot better for the money. | Sep 26 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | Cash For Clunkers and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act alone cost about as much as the first 10 years of the war in Afghanistan. | Sep 26 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | Did next to nothing to help the economy. Might have even hurt it quite badly since it created so much more debt and took running vehicles out of a used car market with high demand. | Sep 26 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I thought about turning my Ford Taurus in during Cash for Clunkers, but the $4,500 you got out of that was just a discount on a brand new car. | Sep 26 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | Which costs about $40,000 now. | Sep 26 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | So it wasn't exactly "free money". | Sep 26 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't stomach the thought of turning in a perfectly operational 16 year old vehicle that was paid for so I could get saddled with a bank loan for an overpriced new car. | Sep 26 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, But millions of people did turn in their perfectly good old cars to be destroyed and then ended up with a car payment they couldn't really make. | Sep 26 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | Then the bank takes their car back and sells it to someone else, and now they have no car. | Sep 26 10:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | But that's what you get when you have the government and corporations working together to impose a fascist agenda. | Sep 26 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | Right? | Sep 26 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think the entire point of the Clunker program was to trick people into giving up a valuable asset they already owned free and clear. | Sep 26 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | To enrich the banks and heat up the used car market so much that people were forced to decide if $5,000 was really worth it for a car that was $2,000 a few years ago. | Sep 26 10:44 |
| MinceR | or to get older, more polluting cars out of use | Sep 26 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | The idea was to prod people into the new car market and to make crippling payments with interest to the banks. | Sep 26 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there's a couple of arguments to suggest otherwise. | Sep 26 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | The libertarian argument is that nobody should be taking my money to buy someone else a new car with. | Sep 26 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | The other one is the fact that it only reduced greenhouse gas emissions of the entire vehicle fleet in the United States by 0.4%. | Sep 26 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | It probably actually damaged the environment in other ways. | Sep 26 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | The energy and toxic material disposal associated with crushing and recycling cars that could have been driven for another 5-10 years. | Sep 26 10:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, there's that | Sep 26 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | If people want a new car, that's fine. | Sep 26 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | They should accumulate their own money or get a loan for the entire amount. | Sep 26 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | and there shouldn't be any government rebates involved | Sep 26 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | The money for the rebates is taken from people who can't afford to buy a nice car for themselves. | Sep 26 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | On the whole, people would be better off if the government stayed out of the car business. | Sep 26 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | They are distorting the market. | Sep 26 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | They're giving freebies to people who could afford to buy the new cars on their own, and taking money from people who need it to buy *a* car at all in the first place. | Sep 26 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | So it's a reverse Robin Hood situation. | Sep 26 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I refuse to live in debt. | Sep 26 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | So what if people laugh at what I drive? I'm not paying $400 a month for an asset that is rapidly decreasing in value, and making interest payments to a bank on top of that. | Sep 26 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | I could get a loan somewhere, but it would be a particularly nasty one. | Sep 26 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | They like to use medical bills that nobody can pay as an excuse to railroad people into subprime car loans. | Sep 26 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | Creditors are not in the business of helping people out, they're in the business of keeping them in debt as long as possible. | Sep 26 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | Their only real motive for stopping at a certain point is that they'll eventually overload you to the point of bankruptcy if they don't stop. | Sep 26 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I picked up on that when I worked in the Rent To Own business for a while. | Sep 26 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | The training video even used the word "overloading the customer". | Sep 26 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | You're supposed to figure out how much they can pay you without defaulting on everything. | Sep 26 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | Because then you have to get their stuff back and that can be difficult, expensive, and time consuming. | Sep 26 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | So the customer is supposed to put on a form their gross income from all sources, their rent/mortgage and utility bills, the amount they pay on their car loan, etc. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | Then you're not supposed to give them more than a certain dollar amount worth of merchandise at any given time. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, And the business can be damned sloppy. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | Especially when a dozen different people rent the same computer. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | They don't get reimaged when they turn them in. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | Because that takes too much time. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | You're supposed to delete their Windows user account and rent it out again, but sometimes that doesn't even get done. | Sep 26 10:58 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | So any malware and most of their files get handed to the next person that rents the computer. | Sep 26 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | I actually had my boss tell me not to rent any laptops to a certain person that was re-imaging them with Ubuntu. | Sep 26 10:59 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 26 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | The furniture and small appliance rentals were worse. | Sep 26 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | You have mattresses and couches coming back where someone urinated or defecated on them. | Sep 26 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | Or they'll be infested with bedbugs. | Sep 26 11:01 |
| MinceR | ew | Sep 26 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | And do you think anyone cleans out a microwave oven before they bring it back? | Sep 26 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. The rule is that if you can get rid of the stain, rent it out again. | Sep 26 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | If you can't, it goes to the dump. | Sep 26 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | They prey on working class people who can't afford to save up any money to buy household furniture. | Sep 26 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Rent To Own is worse than putting it all on the worst credit card you can get. | Sep 26 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Even worse, it's all been used. | Sep 26 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4086223612.html | Sep 26 11:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | chevy truck - stolen [ http://ur1.ca/fpqlj ] | Sep 26 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they couldn't find anything less conspicuous to steal. | Sep 26 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 11:09 |
| MinceR | http://gigaom.com/2013/09/26/seriously-samsung-sorry-european-roamers-but-the-new-galaxy-note-3-is-region-locked/ | Sep 26 11:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Seriously, Samsung? Sorry, roamers, but the new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/fpqmc ] | Sep 26 11:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: That samsung thing was some idiot making labs. | Sep 26 11:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: labels. | Sep 26 11:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the issue is generation 4 networks. | Sep 26 11:17 |
| oiaohm | EU and the USA are different. | Sep 26 11:17 |
| MinceR | different LTE bands or what? | Sep 26 11:18 |
| oiaohm | Different LTE bands and different encryption. | Sep 26 11:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so complete no go. | Sep 26 11:18 |
| oiaohm | Yes it is possible ot have a LTE only carrier in the USA or EU. | Sep 26 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie a sim that is not 3g. | Sep 26 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Or lower. | Sep 26 11:19 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 26 11:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so the label is half right. | Sep 26 11:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the recent conference on X11 covering DRM secuirty. | Sep 26 11:25 |
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| MinceR | bbl | Sep 26 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383230175418523648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383245687577911296 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383261761400758272 | Sep 26 12:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Software Freedom and Accountability http://t.co/MzmaDQKvSE #freedom #justice | Sep 26 12:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Software Freedom and Accountability | Techrights | Sep 26 12:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: File Sharing Can Never be Stopped, So a Wise Company Would Not Bother Trying http://t.co/8inOt3JyoM #sharing #copyright #law | Sep 26 12:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | File Sharing Can Never be Stopped, So a Wise Company Would Not Bother Trying | Techrights | Sep 26 12:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: People Trust Mozilla, Show Confidence Regarding Security and Privacy http://t.co/L2KHNdEgvh #mozilla #firefox #privacy | Sep 26 12:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | People Trust Mozilla, Show Confidence Regarding Security and Privacy | Techrights | Sep 26 12:10 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 26 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | 1996 Toyota Camry. | Sep 26 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | This one was built in Canada, so the odometer is showing kilometers, and the speedometer is in kilometers per hour. | Sep 26 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | That would get annoying. | Sep 26 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383262430841040896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383262993750167552 | Sep 26 12:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Bradley said he didnt really know why Microsoft decided to make his invention their log-in command." http://t.co/LJBm65oMLp | Sep 26 12:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.geekwire.com | Finally: Bill Gates admits Control-Alt-Delete was a mistake - GeekWire | Sep 26 12:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Windows: press "Start" to shut down. How intuitive. What an utter mess. | Sep 26 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [15:20] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, The reason I don't want any part of a GM car with a 4 cylinder engine is....guess how many people replace the timing belt on schedule? | Sep 26 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Do you really need a car at all? | Sep 26 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 26 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | There's no such thing as public transportation here. | Sep 26 12:14 |
| schestowitz | distance from work? | Sep 26 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Ah, yes, US | Sep 26 12:14 |
| schestowitz | public transportation is bad for oil companies | Sep 26 12:14 |
| schestowitz | So the cartel killed even the rail effprts | Sep 26 12:14 |
| iophk | and for car companies | Sep 26 12:14 |
| iophk | they bought up many of the used cars a few years ago to get them off the market and to try to force people on the edge to buy new. | Sep 26 12:15 |
| iophk | Lots of regions had light rail until GM and Firestone bought them up and shut them down. | Sep 26 12:15 |
| schestowitz | checked some cars today, but we live less than a mile from City Centre, so no need for cars right now | Sep 26 12:15 |
| iophk | http://www.culturechange.org/issue10/taken-for-a-ride.htm | Sep 26 12:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.culturechange.org | Taken for a Ride - How General Motors (GM) Conspired to Destroy Rail Trolley Systems [ http://ur1.ca/fprcu ] | Sep 26 12:16 |
| schestowitz | It started with a chat about how cars are quite cheap in the UK | Sep 26 12:16 |
| schestowitz | (Not necessarily to maintain) | Sep 26 12:16 |
| schestowitz | Petrol, insurance, MOT, fixing, purchase, etc. | Sep 26 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Some pay for parking in busy areas, too | Sep 26 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4071041656.html | Sep 26 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 2001 Mer Grand Mar [ http://ur1.ca/fprdz ] | Sep 26 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | Now that's a car. | Sep 26 12:17 |
| schestowitz | I think I left out some other sources of expenditure associated with it, it's worse than raising a pet or baby | Sep 26 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Are they build to last long? | Sep 26 12:18 |
| schestowitz | You might pay the cost of the car within a year again, just in maintenance costs | Sep 26 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | The Grand Marquis? | Sep 26 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Carwash is another | Sep 26 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | It's a rebadged Ford Crown Victoria with better stuff. | Sep 26 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | 4.6 liter V8 engine | Sep 26 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | They last a VERY long time. | Sep 26 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | There's still Crown Vics from the 80s and early 90s that people keep around with over 300,000 miles on them. | Sep 26 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | About the only downside is the gas mileage. | Sep 26 12:19 |
| iophk | http://www.cracked.com/article_19884_6-insane-conspiracy-theories-that-actually-happened.html | Sep 26 12:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cracked.com | 6 Insane Conspiracy Theories (That Actually Happened) | Cracked.com [ http://ur1.ca/fprfc ] | Sep 26 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | What is with people and these 4 cylinder pickup trucks? | Sep 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3110689 | Sep 26 12:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | Windows: press "S... [ http://ur1.ca/fprfo ] | Sep 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | "strong filter bubble, sir, as you seem to realize that only 20 years later almost :P" | Sep 26 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | "I want a real truck but I'm broke so I'll just get this." | Sep 26 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110027+ | Sep 26 12:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Apple is a killer app http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24246646 | Sep 26 12:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Apple Maps flaw results in drivers crossing airport runway [ http://ur1.ca/fparv ] | Sep 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz | "So many comments: 1. How did they ever get past the gate without presenting some kind of ID? I thought ID or an escort was required to get on the ramp at any US airport with scheduled airline service. How can the drivers be so unaware of what they're doing? Must be too busy cursing at their phones. Apple Maps still has a long way to go. I remember how bad MapQuest and Google Maps were when they started, so I understand it's a really | Sep 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz | tough problem to solve, but wow. I bet ATC was having a fit. So much for keeping their runway incursion numbers down." | Sep 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3109743 | Sep 26 12:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Another Financial Collapse is Coming, We Need to Facilitate Banking Whistleblowers http://techrights.org/2013/09/26/conscientious-leakers/ #elmer #finance | Sep 26 12:24 |
| schestowitz | "Another financial crisis/collapse is coming, whistleblowers won't stop it, but they can aide in preventing the next system from having some of the exploitable flaws the current system has. But more importantly, the "officials" tasked with keeping the system exploiters and gamers, SEC, FedRes, CFTC, FSA, etc. need to do their jobs." | Sep 26 12:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Another Financial Collapse is Coming, We Need to Facilitate Banking Whistleblowers | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fprgd ] | Sep 26 12:24 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3109773 | Sep 26 12:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA-friendly mail host is mismanaging mailboxes http://www.fastcompany.com/3018385/fast-feed/a-not-my-email-button-because-yahoo-users-are-getting-other-peoples-emails #yahoo #microsoft | Sep 26 12:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fastcompany.com | A "Not My Email" Button, Because Yahoo Users Are Getting Other People's Emails | Fast Company | Business + Innovation [ http://ur1.ca/fpdio ] | Sep 26 12:25 |
| schestowitz | "Monopolists like to pretend there is diversity in the world, Jim." | Sep 26 12:25 |
| schestowitz | iophk: The GeekWire (Microsoft boosters site) article has a tone favourable to Gates, a famous criminal, but that's the only link I could find. | Sep 26 12:27 |
| iophk | Trying to write out the years of bad garbage from M$ in that article. ctrl-alt-del was common because Windows locking up was common. It was so common it was a joke. | Sep 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_f8f3cf8adef1f0d644df.jpg | Sep 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz | iophk: they call crime "immense success" | Sep 26 12:29 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110676 | Sep 26 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: People Trust Mozilla, Show Confidence Regarding Security and Privacy http://techrights.org/2013/09/26/security-and-privacy-poll/ #mozilla #firefox #privacy | Sep 26 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | People Trust Mozilla, Show Confidence Regarding Security and Privacy | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fprm9 ] | Sep 26 12:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Beginning to lose trust - something is happening in the time it takes watching videos ........ | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Almost as if there is a backdoor in the flash application and someone somewhere is using it on a regular basis nowadays. | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Seems only to occur on You-Tube though - but I may be wrong - needs some looking into by the right people .......... as it may be something that can be stopped. ( probably happens on most browsers ) but does anyone else get it ........... problem is it screws all the keyboard setting up, | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mozilla+firefox+keyboard+problems&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&sourceid=Mozilla-search&start=0 | Sep 26 12:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | mozilla firefox keyboard problems - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/fprmo ] | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Usually the keyboard is ok before using Firefox ....... but once its been used the keyboard remains in a mess ........ some keys not working or doing strange things. | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Makes me fear it could be a keystroke logger going wrong. | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | This is not something I like on my system now .......... | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | How to avoid or how to know someone is logging your keystrokes. ? | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the Firefox team should be adding something to show what is happening here - to give people confidence. | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110679 | Sep 26 12:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Bradley said he didnt really know why Microsoft decided to make his invention their log-in command." http://www.geekwire.com/2013/gates-harvard/ | Sep 26 12:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.geekwire.com | Finally: Bill Gates admits Control-Alt-Delete was a mistake - GeekWire [ http://ur1.ca/fppxk ] | Sep 26 12:45 |
| schestowitz | "When will he admit Windows was a mistake?" | Sep 26 12:45 |
| schestowitz | When Windows gets embraced by tourorists. | Sep 26 12:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383265068374564864 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383267147839205376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383267547443130368 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383268102722846720\ | Sep 26 12:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: What the #uk government wants to censor on the Web https://t.co/Q0tKmlAz2r #censorship | Sep 26 12:49 |
| iophk | https://www.cpj.org/internet/2013/09/journalist-barrett-brown-faces-jail-for-posting-hy.php | Sep 26 12:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Poverty and dreams https://t.co/BLi1LhOEkL | Sep 26 12:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Generosity from sympathy https://t.co/kOuYn6rCpK | Sep 26 12:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack http://t.co/SrCTicjgLc join the #fbi and become legalised criminal | Sep 26 12:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.com | FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack | Threat Level | Wired.com | Sep 26 12:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cpj.org | Journalist Barrett Brown faces prison for posting hyperlink - Internet - Committee to Protect Journalists [ http://ur1.ca/fd58f ] | Sep 26 12:49 |
| iophk | See the 2nd to last paragraph | Sep 26 12:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383268492700844032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383269257037246464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383269478311927808 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383269906793631744 | Sep 26 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: One of my neighbours calls his access point "FBI Surveillance Truck". I noticed that earlier today while testing signals strength. | Sep 26 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Google and the NSA http://t.co/FVMuLlsK6p "Google amasses troves of personal data on billions" #nsa #google | Sep 26 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> weblogs.mozillazine.org | Google and the NSA - Asa Dotzler: Firefox and more | Sep 26 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: This morning I visited the Hyundai Web site briefly (w/ Firefox). Since then, Google bombards me regularly w/ Hyundai video ads in YouTube. | Sep 26 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Raspberry Pi Doorlock Uses USB Keys http://t.co/2dlfmZX1OA #usb #linux | Sep 26 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eetimes.com | Raspberry Pi Doorlock Uses USB Keys | EE Times | Sep 26 12:50 |
| schestowitz | iophk: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383272585288749056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383273397217951744 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383273645264879616 | Sep 26 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Journalist Barrett Brown faces prison for posting hyperlink https://t.co/dRByjgjO8U many of us activists post such links sometimes | Sep 26 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Journalism is being reclassified "hacktivism" if it's real journalism like Wikileaks http://t.co/kz9QUZx8KV http://t.co/ihtmMxAspm | Sep 26 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Attack on Journalism in the UK | Techrights | Sep 26 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Jeremy Heywood, Uncivil Servant, Behind Attack on Journalists in the UK | Techrights | Sep 26 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "This is US law thats being used against Barrett Brown, not something from a nation like North Korea." http://t.co/ltf0xflCz0 | Sep 26 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | As the World Progresses Protest is Being Banned in the United States and Its Allies | Techrights | Sep 26 12:56 |
| iophk | Journalism + with-a-computer == hacktivism | Sep 26 12:57 |
| iophk | Have to admit though, Brown has been a bit of a griefer | Sep 26 12:57 |
| schestowitz | `https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383274399719501824 | Sep 26 13:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Learning the the truth about my great-grandfather, and 40,000 Americans during the Great Depression" http://t.co/wqJRoM4ljs | Sep 26 13:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theatlantic.com | Suicide and the Economy - Elizabeth MacBride - The Atlantic | Sep 26 13:01 |
| schestowitz | iophk: got caught doing something less dodgy | Sep 26 13:01 |
| schestowitz | That's all they needed to silence him | Sep 26 13:01 |
| schestowitz | He didn't act cautiously enough, he gave them what they craved | Sep 26 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Assange did too... he HAD SEX! | Sep 26 13:02 |
| iophk | I can't believe that Assange is still being hounded. | Sep 26 13:02 |
| iophk | Why not just make up a charge of witchcraft or something equally likely. | Sep 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz | In the UK, one leading Anonymous person (in London IIRC) was falsely accused of rape, then vilified in the media. The court found him not guilty, but the press wasn't there to cover it. His reputation was shattered. | Sep 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Sep 26 13:03 |
| iophk | That's usually how it works | Sep 26 13:03 |
| iophk | trial by media | Sep 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Guess who was given the crown in PP Sweden | Sep 26 13:03 |
| iophk | ? | Sep 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Only recently did I see the post where Rickard said he had stepped aside | Sep 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz | It's that Assange accuser, I think | Sep 26 13:04 |
| schestowitz | One of the two, not the CIA-connected one | Sep 26 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Toberg or whatever | Sep 26 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Anna | Sep 26 13:04 |
| iophk | They've cut his sentence, but will probably re-try him in Denmark | Sep 26 13:04 |
| iophk | http://www.startribune.com/world/225172982.html | Sep 26 13:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.startribune.com | Swedish court halves Pirate Bay founder's sentence for hacking and fraud | Star Tribune [ http://ur1.ca/fpru8 ] | Sep 26 13:04 |
| iophk | http://cphpost.dk/international/pirate-bay-co-founder-headed-denmark-trial | Sep 26 13:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | cphpost.dk | Pirate Bay co-founder headed to Denmark for trial | The Copenhagen Post | The Danish News in English [ http://ur1.ca/fpruv ] | Sep 26 13:06 |
| schestowitz | City of London Execs still not even charged with fraud | Sep 26 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | I need to go grocery shopping soon. Haven't cooked anything this month because of those $5 subs at Subway. | Sep 26 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | They do that like two months out of the year and I start eating there every day instead of shopping. | Sep 26 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | I've thought about just never doing grocery shopping again. There's only one of me and so stuff goes to waste or you buy those frozen dinners and that's just as expensive as eating out, and nowhere near as good. | Sep 26 13:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383280790253350912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383281517554065408 | Sep 26 13:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Intel is still trademarking physics https://t.co/wMaYSkuH9Q it also tried to trademark a number and failed | Sep 26 13:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linux.com | Will Intel's Quark Run Linux? | Linux.com | Sep 26 13:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "2013 may go down in history as the year gaming came to Linux." http://t.co/z6O7An9oij #gnu #linux #games | Sep 26 13:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> tuxradar.com | Open Ballot: A head of Steam, or just a fizzle? | TuxRadar Linux | Sep 26 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/my-money/2013/08/26/5-subscriptions-you-could-be-paying-less-for?s_cid=art_btm | Sep 26 13:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | money.usnews.com | 5 Subscriptions You Could Be Paying Less For - My Money (usnews.com) [ http://ur1.ca/fps6d ] | Sep 26 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be willing to go back to DSL speeds if the price was significantly lower, but it's not. | Sep 26 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T DSL is only 6 Mbps down and you pay about $46 per month. | Sep 26 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | They cap you at 150 GB per month and charge $10 per 50 GB over. | Sep 26 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast has a 25 Mbps down plan (the one I'm on) with a 300 GB cap. | Sep 26 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's supposed to be $72 a month with modem rental included, but I get it for $56 because I call every 6 months and threaten to switch ISPs. | Sep 26 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast almost always agrees to knock you back down to a promotional price, and AT&T almost always doesn't. | Sep 26 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | Really it's a choice between getting gouged or gouged worse. | Sep 26 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast still makes a killing at $56, so they're open to charging that to shut people up and keep their business away from competitors. | Sep 26 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | I looked into Netzero DSL, but it's really just AT&T with the bill on different letterhead. | Sep 26 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | There's a federal law that makes AT&T open up their "infrastructure" to competitors, but it really ends up costing about the same no matter whose company name is on the bill. | Sep 26 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | What's worse is that Netzero can't offer dry loop DSL, so you get stuck paying the phone company for a landline (like $20 a month), so it could end up costing you more. | Sep 26 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have a smartphone. There's just no benefit that outweighs the price of the data packages and various fees, and then you have to sign a contract to get decent phones. They have to let you put a SIM card in an unlocked phone, but the plan pricing is the same, so there's really no reason to do that unless they just don't carry the phone you want. | Sep 26 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | Cable TV is a dinosaur. Companies like HBO should wise up and just start offering a streaming account with a fixed monthly price instead of demanding that people subscribe to HBO over cable to use HBO Go. But, they're retarded and that's why people use The Pirate Bay instead. | Sep 26 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't subscribe to magazines or newspapers. There's no reason to. What year is it? | Sep 26 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | If people canceled the cable TV, the magazines, the newspaper, the smartphone plans they don't need, and called and chewed out Comcast every 6 months, and put the money they saved into their retirement account, they could retire a millionaire. | Sep 26 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | People just spend their money on all kinds of stupid shit they could just as easily live without. | Sep 26 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | Then my mom, who makes about three times as much money as I do and Dave which makes double, are always broke. | Sep 26 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | They wonder why I always buy nice things that I want and have the money to cover it. | Sep 26 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | Or why when my car is giving me problems, I can go fix it without taking out a payday loan. | Sep 26 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | There's something going very wrong when a household that makes over $100,000 a year is going to payday loan sharks and maxing out wicked nasty credit cards. | Sep 26 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | For a long time, my mom was even trading in cars that she just got done paying off. Not because anything was wrong with them, but just so she could have the new model. | Sep 26 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | If you pay a car off and all it's costing you is gasoline and the odd part here and there, you're being stupid to trade it in. | Sep 26 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | Buying a new car is also stupid. | Sep 26 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | The way the depreciation works is that a car with half its useful service life left costs about 10% of what a new one costs. | Sep 26 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | Buy a 10 year old car and let someone else get back on the treadmill. If they're going to be stupid, it might as well work in your favor. | Sep 26 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | But check the car out from top to bottom before you buy it. A lot of people with that "$40,000 machine is disposable" mindset have not been maintaining their car. | Sep 26 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | You may have to look at 20 of them before you find one that's worth buying. | Sep 26 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | Look for cars that have dents and dings in them. That really kills the remaining value. | Sep 26 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | Some dents and dings can be the difference between paying $3,000 and paying $5,000. | Sep 26 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | I don't do rust though. Once a car has started rusting, it's basically impossible to stop it. | Sep 26 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | That's how I buy appliances too. The store gets one with a dent in it and suddenly that $1,000 appliance is half price. | Sep 26 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | This year, I made a couple thousand dollars for opening credit cards and bank accounts that I don't use ever again after I get the promotional money. | Sep 26 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | After the promo payoff, I usually just close the account. | Sep 26 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | That's also one of the reasons I tell people to use GNU/Linux on their computer. | Sep 26 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | You use Windows and the computer is only good until the next version, which you also have to pay for again. | Sep 26 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | I see people on Craigslist selling their old computers after realizing that the Windows upgrade made their current system unusable. | Sep 26 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | The best time to buy is right after a new Windows comes out and instantly destroys the remaining value (to them) of the machine. | Sep 26 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | You'll never get rid of all your bills, but you can use them to earn credit card points. | Sep 26 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | Pay it off every month and you work the system against itself. | Sep 26 13:58 |
| MinceR | re | Sep 26 14:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383290399303163905 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383291117464465408 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383291696899174400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383292897250267136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383293323555139584 | Sep 26 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Neoliberalism's unintended consequences http://t.co/W43sd1405h deceptive term | Sep 26 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com | Stumbling and Mumbling: Neoliberalism's unintended consequences | Sep 26 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Google uses obligatory real ID in #Google #Surveillance Plus to apply 'soft' #censorship to comments in #YouTube http://t.co/Zr0Ro1O0Pr | Sep 26 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.cnet.com | YouTube gets the yuck out in comments cleanup | Internet & Media - CNET News | Sep 26 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Is the FSF expanding or has it just lost a vital member of the team? http://t.co/7xwWx6s4e5 | Sep 26 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fsf.org | FSF seeks full-time senior GNU/Linux systems administrator Free Software Foundation working together for free software | Sep 26 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Red Hat's site boosts bizarre and contemptible notions like "the ownership of intellectual property." http://t.co/RzXpKWHVlr | Sep 26 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> opensource.com | Interview with Pam Chestek of Chestek Legal | opensource.com | Sep 26 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: bsod: Exactly what I was expecting http://t.co/o26SgX0G2M ported to Windows yet? | Sep 26 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> inconsolation.wordpress.com | bsod: Exactly what I was expecting | Inconsolation | Sep 26 14:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/383297796020785154 | Sep 26 14:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz I'd suggest corporate control exists already in the ISP's we need to connect. The future control is unavoidable. | Sep 26 14:33 |
| schestowitz | How about nationalising ISPs and phone companies? Done before? | Sep 26 14:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383298541205999617 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383297836143890432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383297763142037504 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383297376087461889 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383297158205943808 | Sep 26 14:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Lingual distortion of corporate-driven society/consumerism https://t.co/C05gZ7J5zT good examples therein | Sep 26 14:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Time to Speak Up Against the NSAs Mass Spying https://t.co/4TE30J9u2e #nsa #surveillance | Sep 26 14:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Time to Speak Up Against the NSAs Mass Spying | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Sep 26 14:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Arming 'rebels' https://t.co/FcXOCYEkHU #cia #syria | Sep 26 14:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: On #cognitive #dissonance https://t.co/y578NP3akm | Sep 26 14:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Against corporate control over the Internet https://t.co/nnlWcY6DH6 | Sep 26 14:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/383299055285067776 | Sep 26 14:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Really? And give control over to whom? The tax payers ergo government? With all those lobbyists influencing them? | Sep 26 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Lobbyists are brought in by telecom companies at present. Imagine eliminating Verizon, AT&T (US) or BT (UK)... | Sep 26 14:38 |
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| iophk | Somehow they all miss the obvious that software patents are invalid in Europe : http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/26/1815251/steve-jobs-video-kills-apple-patent-in-germany | Sep 26 14:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Steve Jobs Video Kills Apple Patent In Germany - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fpt0k ] | Sep 26 14:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3111138 | Sep 26 14:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google uses obligatory real ID in #Google #Surveillance Plus to apply 'soft' #censorship to comments in #YouTube http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57604431-93/youtube-gets-the-yuck-out-in-comments-cleanup/ | Sep 26 14:44 |
| schestowitz | "It is erroneous to conflate censorship with comment moderation. I would say it's about bloody time YouTube overhauled their comment system to foster meaningful conversation." | Sep 26 14:44 |
| schestowitz | iophk: probably Florian submitted it | Sep 26 14:45 |
| iophk | It's possible. He's about the only pro-sw-patent voice out there, trying to pose as IT. | Sep 26 14:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/383301182078201856 | Sep 26 14:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz I'm meaning all lobbyists (IP, tobacco etc) I wouldn't like the internet controlled by government..that sounds worse. | Sep 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/383301381794172928 | Sep 26 14:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Government influence already have Google trying to block TPB. If the ISP was nationalized can you imagine how far they'd go? | Sep 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Some things, like health, I would rather have the government manage (even poorly); death as biz is rogue | Sep 26 14:51 |
| iophk | Yeah, it's a link to M$ Florian. | Sep 26 14:53 |
| MinceR | and dirtying a crocodile with a dog | Sep 26 14:53 |
| iophk | It's annoying that /. passed it through | Sep 26 14:54 |
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| sebsebseb | Sep 26 14:59 | |
| schestowitz_mob | http://fossforce.com/2013/09/wordpress-update-goes-awry/ | Sep 26 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | When a WordPress Update Goes Awry - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/fptcb ] | Sep 26 15:07 |
| schestowitz_mob | "Be very careful with abandoned plugins- I had one that started serving up hidden porn spam." | Sep 26 15:07 |
| schestowitz_mob | iophk, it makes sense for /. | Sep 26 15:07 |
| schestowitz_mob | they helped groom him | Sep 26 15:07 |
| iophk | Then it is continuing | Sep 26 15:08 |
| iophk | Too bad Groklaw is gone. That was another voice putting him in his place | Sep 26 15:08 |
| ---eebrah_ is now known as eebrah | Sep 26 15:30 | |
| <--iophk has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Sep 26 15:36 | |
| DaemonFC | http://wealthartisan.com/why-do-new-cars-depreciate-sharply/ | Sep 26 15:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | wealthartisan.com | Why Do New Cars DepreciateSharply? Wealth Artisan [ http://ur1.ca/fptt2 ] | Sep 26 15:41 |
| MinceR | because the fact that nobody did unknown/unspeakable things to your car is highly valuable? :> | Sep 26 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | My car had two owners before me. | Sep 26 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | It actually started out as a fleet vehicle. | Sep 26 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | Then the second owner was a really old couple that just wanted something newer. | Sep 26 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that spending $2,000 on a car is taking a huge risk. | Sep 26 15:47 |
| MinceR | mine had at least two owners before me, probably more | Sep 26 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | Red flags are "It was a rental car" or "It was driven by a teenager.". | Sep 26 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | Especially teenaged boys. | Sep 26 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | They do some really dumb shit with cars. | Sep 26 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | You should look for cars that old people drive. | Sep 26 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | Not only do most of them go under the speed limit, but they tend to keep them in garages and not drive them 50 miles to work and back every day. | Sep 26 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | So you can find some 10 year old cars with less than 80,000 miles on them. | Sep 26 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | My next door neighbor is in his 90s. | Sep 26 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | He's still driving his old Cadillac from the 70s. | Sep 26 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | But a lot of people in their 90s will buy a Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, Lincoln Towncar... | Sep 26 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Then they'll have it for 10 years, put about 60 or 70,000 miles on it, and then die. | Sep 26 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | Their kids don't want the car because "it's old" | Sep 26 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | So they sell it for a few thousand dollars to get rid of it. | Sep 26 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | You walk away from the deal with a $30,000 car that's barely been used and their idiot kids go back to making their $400 a month car payment. | Sep 26 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | There's this dude with a NICE '91 Crown Vic that lives about 10 miles from me. It's up for sale. I stopped to ask about it. He wants $4,000 for it. | Sep 26 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | It's been sitting there for several months. | Sep 26 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | He said he bought it and put new brakes and tires on it for his son, and then his son said "I don't want that! It's old!" | Sep 26 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't be embarrassed to drive a '91 Crown Vic. It only has 48,000 miles on it. | Sep 26 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't have $4,000 laying around just yet. | Sep 26 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://wealthartisan.com/should-i-buy-a-used-car/ | Sep 26 15:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | wealthartisan.com | Should I Buy A UsedCar? Wealth Artisan [ http://ur1.ca/fpu0d ] | Sep 26 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | lol @ Buy Here Pay Here | Sep 26 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | You'd be doing better to just look in the $2,000 and less section on Craigslist. | Sep 26 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | The interest and depreciation of a new car are a real double whammy. | Sep 26 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | It's not something people should really want to take on unless they have so much money they don't know what to do with it all. | Sep 26 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.findthebestcarprice.com/slash-your-monthly-car-payments/ | Sep 26 16:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.findthebestcarprice.com | Slash your monthly car payments in 10 minutes [ http://ur1.ca/fpu2i ] | Sep 26 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, only it doesn't always work. | Sep 26 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Banks don't like to poach each others customers with lower interest rates. | Sep 26 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they do, but they don't want to get into a bidding war for low interest rates and ruin each other. | Sep 26 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | So what will usually happen is they'll find some minor blemish on your credit report and tell you that they're really sorry, but they just can't refinance your loan. | Sep 26 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody should ever buy a used car thinking that they will be able to refinance. Even if your credit score improves, that's not always an option. | Sep 26 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | errr *new car | Sep 26 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | My mom tried doing that once and she found that out. | Sep 26 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | She ended up stuck at her original interest rate until the car was paid off. | Sep 26 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | Now her credit is trashed again because she married Dave. He won't even pay the $5 bill in the summer to keep the gas turned on. | Sep 26 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | He almost caused them to lose their car insurance. | Sep 26 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | So she's stuck with her '03 impala with 270,000 miles and rising. | Sep 26 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | It's done some rather horrible things that you'd expect a car with almost 300,000 miles to do. | Sep 26 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | What's worse is that she depends on it to go 30 miles to work and back every day. | Sep 26 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | There's jobs she could get here in town, but they don't pay what she's used to making. | Sep 26 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why she insists on living here. There's nothing here. | Sep 26 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4086691020.html | Sep 26 16:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 2003 RED Chevy Impala [ http://ur1.ca/fpu6k ] | Sep 26 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | "Well maintained. Needs transmission and front wheel bearings repaired/replaced." | Sep 26 16:08 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I maintained it! | Sep 26 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | I maintained the hell out of it! | Sep 26 16:08 |
| MinceR | Vlad the Impala | Sep 26 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | I maintained it all the way through that pothole at 90 miles an hour in gear 1. | Sep 26 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 26 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | Cause that's what I do! | Sep 26 16:08 |
| MinceR | maintain speed and bearing | Sep 26 16:09 |
| MinceR | "but there's a wall in the way" | Sep 26 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | RAMMING SPEED! | Sep 26 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | That's actually why there's no department of motor vehicles in Columbia City right now. | Sep 26 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | The police were in a high speed chase with a drunk driver. | Sep 26 16:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | He went down the street at 70 miles an hour and lost control of his car. | Sep 26 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | It slammed into the DMV office. | Sep 26 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | How's that for irony? | Sep 26 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | It was horrible. There was blood and license plate tax stamps everywhere! | Sep 26 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 26 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | Then there's the idiots that sell their car and don't take the license plate of. | Sep 26 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | *off | Sep 26 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | Then they wonder why they're getting traffic tickets in the mail. | Sep 26 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4092768382.html | Sep 26 16:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1997 mercury sable with 112,000 miles [ http://ur1.ca/fpu9c ] | Sep 26 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | I might buy that. | Sep 26 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | That's odd. It has almost exactly as many miles on it as my Taurus did when I bought it. | Sep 26 16:15 |
| *DaemonFC has never owned a car that was under 100,000 miles at the time of purchase. | Sep 26 16:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | Maybe if I bought that Mercury I could sell my car and get enough for some new tires. | Sep 26 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 26 16:49 |
| sebsebseb | just fund out about another streaming service | Sep 26 16:49 |
| sebsebseb | a UK one anyway at least | Sep 26 16:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it makes me wonder if it will be yet another movie streaming servie | Sep 26 16:49 |
| sebsebseb | that requires stuff that isn't Desktop LInux | Sep 26 16:49 |
| sebsebseb | since the DRM | Sep 26 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | I might just call the dude and start rattling off some questions. | Sep 26 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | I got all the way out to Hartford City yesterday over what looked like a great deal, and the car was even worse than what I drive now. | Sep 26 16:52 |
| JimmyCarter | steam os will save the world | Sep 26 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | I called the dude about the Sable. | Sep 26 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | Went to his voicemail. | Sep 26 17:19 |
| JimmyCarter | valve's steam os is who obama should have been | Sep 26 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | That is a NICE car. | Sep 26 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | Could stand to go through the car wash though. | Sep 26 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | Well, if I buy it, that's the first place we're going. | Sep 26 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | They have those Mike's car washes up in Fort Wayne where it's full service and they even get in and shampoo the carpets and do detailing and armor all and all that nice stuff. | Sep 26 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, MinceR, I sure wish I had $40,000 laying around that I absolutely could spend today. | Sep 26 17:21 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 17:21 |
| MinceR | don't we all | Sep 26 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | If I did, I'd be going up to the Ford dealer and buying a 2014 Taurus SHO. | Sep 26 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | But, we do what we can. Right? :) | Sep 26 17:21 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 26 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | I figure that if I have $1,900 for a car, it's going to be the nicest $1,900 car that's out there. | Sep 26 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | I think a 1997 Sable LS with 112,000 miles is a pretty good $1,900 car. | Sep 26 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'll sell my 95 Taurus SHO and get maybe $1,100 out of it. | Sep 26 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | That's in rough shape. | Sep 26 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | The only thing holding it above $1,000 is the "SHO" part. | Sep 26 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 17:23 |
| MinceR | fo sho | Sep 26 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | People see a deal on a SHO and they come running. Doesn't matter if it is in rough shape. They want it because of the engine. | Sep 26 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chf90jvW0fs | Sep 26 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | 95' Taurus SHO - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fpv5l ] | Sep 26 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Mine is like that, only mine is green. | Sep 26 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | My favorite Ford color is Toreador Red. | Sep 26 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | It will get up to 140 miles per hour. | Sep 26 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I did it once. | Sep 26 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know if it goes faster than that, but that's where the speedometer stops. | Sep 26 17:26 |
| MinceR | could use gps or something :> | Sep 26 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | The Sable LS that I'm looking at has a Duratec 30 engine in it. | Sep 26 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ford bought the design off of Porsche. | Sep 26 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | The 95 Taurus SHO has a Yamaha engine in it. | Sep 26 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ford was going to develop a sports car but canceled it after they committed to buying a number of engines. | Sep 26 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | So they stuck them in the Taurus. | Sep 26 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The best thing about the dual overhead cam 3 liter V6 models that Ford uses is that they're about as powerful as the small block V8 that they were using for a while in the Taurus SHO, but they get much better gas mileage. | Sep 26 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | A guy I used to work with offered to sell me his '97 SHO and I turned it down because it had the V8. | Sep 26 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | Gas guzzler. | Sep 26 17:29 |
| MinceR | gn | Sep 26 17:36 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=buy&story=beforeTest&subject=how_buy | Sep 26 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cars.com | Inspecting a Used Car - Cars.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpvdw ] | Sep 26 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | As far as the tires go, it should be a crime to put used tires on a car. | Sep 26 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | If people are anything like me, they wait until there's 20% of the tread left and then swap them out for new ones. | Sep 26 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | I keep good tires on my car even though it isn't in great shape. | Sep 26 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | Bald tires turn your car into a death trap. | Sep 26 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | A little bit of rain and you turn and skid or try to stop and slide into the vehicle in front of you. | Sep 26 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | Tripled insurance premiums are going to be a lot more expensive than a set of tires from Walmart. | Sep 26 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | The shit that some people do to their cars is just unbelievable. | Sep 26 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen them ready for the junkyard before they even hit 100,000 miles. | Sep 26 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen them still running after 300,000. | Sep 26 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | You'd think that people would take some pride in their stuff or at least try to make their $30,000 vehicle last for some years after the payments stop. | Sep 26 17:49 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Al Bundy Bad to the bone - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fpdvd ] | Sep 25 21:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 21:15 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inubkn_TmUs | Sep 25 21:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bundy Family Barbecue - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fpdy3 ] | Sep 25 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Best. Show. EVER. | Sep 25 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVklEwDhUaA | Sep 25 21:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Married With Children - Al Bundy vs Ms Blaub - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fpe21 ] | Sep 25 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4090684052.html | Sep 25 21:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 2000 Chrysler Town and Country Van [ http://ur1.ca/fpe3a ] | Sep 25 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what's going on lately. | Sep 25 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | $2,000 for a van with 218,000 miles on it. | Sep 25 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | After 200,000, it's really anyone's guess how long it will run. | Sep 25 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | Could go out tomorrow, could make it into the 260s or 270s. | Sep 25 21:32 |
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| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/roku-adds-50-dollar-streaming-multimedia-player/ | Sep 26 09:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | Roku adds $50 streaming multimedia player · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpmhg ] | Sep 26 09:23 |
| iophk | 2 watts - http://linuxgizmos.com/new-roku-players-add-gaming-subtract-power/ | Sep 26 09:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | New Roku players add gaming, subtract power · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpmhp ] | Sep 26 09:23 |
| MinceR | http://bgr.com/2013/09/24/nokia-elop-bonus-scandal/ | Sep 26 09:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | bgr.com | Nokia Elop Bonus Scandal: Elop refuses smaller bonus, cites divorce | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/fpmmm ] | Sep 26 09:38 |
| MinceR | geekings | Sep 26 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4081641719.html | Sep 26 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | 1999 monte carlo o.b.o. [ http://ur1.ca/fpmuu ] | Sep 26 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | "Hood has a dent from some lard ass setting on it at a concert." | Sep 26 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Sep 26 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | That's some dent... | Sep 26 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then there's probably some other listing for the 350 big block lard ass that sat on the hood of that Monte Carlo. | Sep 26 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | Yours if you'll haul him away. | Sep 26 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | Gonad The Barbarian is still driving his '98 Dodge Ram that gets like 10 mpg. | Sep 26 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | I swear the gas mileage is so bad on that thing that you can basically watch the gas gauge falling while you're driving it. | Sep 26 10:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Part of what made me back away from that Crown Vic was the kind of gas mileage I got while I was test driving it. | Sep 26 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | It was telling me 19 mpg on the highway. | Sep 26 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | You'll pass everything but the gas station. | Sep 26 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | I used to work with a guy that drove his moped to work and back even though he had a car. | Sep 26 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | He said $3 worth of gas would get him to work and back for an entire week. | Sep 26 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | The world of bank loans is pretty twisted. | Sep 26 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | It compels people to buy a more expensive vehicle than they actually need. | Sep 26 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | Banks don't like doing five year loans for less than $12,000, because they're taking a risk that you'll default, but if you took out a loan for less, they'd only stand to make several hundred dollars off of you. | Sep 26 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | A friend of mine had them offer him a 5 year loan of $7,600 @ 4.9% APR. I told him a way around that though. | Sep 26 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | Credit card companies often do 12-15 months of 0% APR as a promotional rate. So you put the entire car on the credit card and then make payments each month, then when your time is about up, you open up a new card with someone else and transfer the remaining balance owed over to that, and you get another year or so with no interest. | Sep 26 10:37 |
| roy_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383137551273713664 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383152730896105472 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383160857318154240 | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Coming Soon: Richard Stallman Interview for 30th GNU Anniversary http://t.co/W0rnFJOo6s #gnu #linux #fsf #freedom #software | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Coming Soon: Richard Stallman Interview for 30th GNU Anniversary | Techrights | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Greg KH Still Pushing the #Linux Foundation Into Restricted Boot Territory, Ignoring the Real Threat (Back Doors) http://t.co/FygfnV8zYx | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Former Novell Staff Still Pushing the Linux Foundation Into Restricted Boot Territory, Ignoring the Real Threat (Back Doors) | Techrights | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Another Financial ‘Collapse’ is Coming, We Need to Facilitate Banking Whistleblowers http://t.co/Tt9i7YXtlt #elmer #finance | Sep 26 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Another Financial ‘Collapse’ is Coming, We Need to Facilitate Banking Whistleblowers | Techrights | Sep 26 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | If you're only in the market to buy a $7,000-$8,000 car and you can get it paid off in a few years, you can get an interest free car loan by exploiting credit card promos. | Sep 26 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of dealers have a $3,000 limit on what you can charge though, but if the car costs 8 and you can come up with 5, then that plan still works. | Sep 26 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | There are always some dealers that let you put the entire car on your card. | Sep 26 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | Banks typically encourage dealers to set limits because they don't like people borrowing lots of money and never owing any interest on it. | Sep 26 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | So it's a violation of the merchant rules, but it's tolerated. | Sep 26 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | My strategy this time is going to be looking for a 10-15 year old car that some old person never really drove that often. 10-15 year old cars with 40 or 50,000 miles on them pop up from time to time because some old person dies and the kids don't really want the car. | Sep 26 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, For several years, I drove a 1968 Buick that needed a bottle of lead substitute each time you filled up the tank. | Sep 26 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | This old dude died and the kids just wanted rid of the car, so I got it for $300. | Sep 26 10:45 |
| *DaemonFC would love to get a deal like that again. | Sep 26 10:46 | |
| DaemonFC | Drive around for five years on a $300 car. | Sep 26 10:46 |
| roy_ | [21:09] <DaemonFC> A Ford Taurus with 352,593 miles on the odometer! | Sep 26 10:46 |
| roy_ | Al Bundy with a magnet | Sep 26 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | I remember one winter that the snow and ice got so bad that it was literally me and the national guard on the road. | Sep 26 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | roy_, It's almost unheard of to see a car with over 250,000 on the original engine and transmission. | Sep 26 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | Transmissions like to go out at some point between 150 and 200. | Sep 26 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | People usually get rid of the car at that point just because they see a bill to replace the transmission. | Sep 26 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | Most of them would be better off to rebuilt it and keep driving. | Sep 26 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | They could make it another 5 years without a car payment for that $1,500 one time expense. | Sep 26 10:49 |
| *roy_ is now known as schestowitz | Sep 26 10:49 | |
| DaemonFC | *rebuild | Sep 26 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | Car payments are so bad now that anything worth buying is going to run you about $350-$400 per month. | Sep 26 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | So a transmission rebuild is like 3 months worth of car payments. | Sep 26 10:50 |
| schestowitz | iophk: re New Roku players add gaming, subtract power http://linuxgizmos.com/new-roku-players-add-gaming-subtract-power/ | Sep 26 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | New Roku players add gaming, subtract power · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpmhp ] | Sep 26 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | I think I could keep my Taurus going for a few more years. | Sep 26 10:51 |
| schestowitz | What's relevant about this news from 2011? | Sep 26 10:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3109762 | Sep 26 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | That Mitchell and... [ http://ur1.ca/fpnau ] | Sep 26 10:51 |
| schestowitz | I LOLed so much | Sep 26 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | I may have to put a few hundred dollars into it, but driving around in something that isn't going to win any beauty contests is better than making a car payment. | Sep 26 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Almost tears in my eyes, wife couldn't figure out why | Sep 26 10:51 |
| schestowitz | iophk: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3109770 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3109773 | Sep 26 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | It is almost to the point where I feel like Al Bundy and his Dodge. | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | Elop and #fraud h... [ http://ur1.ca/fpnb5 ] | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | NSA-friendly mail... [ http://ur1.ca/fpnb6 ] | Sep 26 10:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383164774223446016 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383165145448738816 | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Elop and #fraud http://t.co/M9wSOPHHRd #nokia #microsoft #entryism | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.forbes.com | Nokia Admits Giving Misleading Information About Elop's Compensation - Forbes | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA-friendly mail host is mismanaging mailboxes http://t.co/18QdGnofy0 #yahoo #microsoft | Sep 26 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fastcompany.com | A "Not My Email" Button, Because Yahoo Users Are Getting Other People's Emails | Fast Company | Business + Innovation | Sep 26 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | If I had to go buy something right now, it would probably be something like this. | Sep 26 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.customcarcaredecatur.com/detail-2003-ford-taurus-se-used-10179712.html | Sep 26 10:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.customcarcaredecatur.com | 2003 Used Ford Taurus SE at Custom Car Care Serving Decatur, IN, IID 10179712 [ http://ur1.ca/fpnbz ] | Sep 26 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe they want $3,995 for that though. When I bought my 1995 in 2005, it had about that many miles on it, and it cost $2,000. | Sep 26 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to try to save up and pay in cash. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| iophk | schestowitz: what do the diaspora links say? that site never works on linux for me | Sep 26 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | If I had to, I'd bust out the credit card, but I don't really want to do that. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | It's a better option than going to a bad credit car lot, but that's not saying much. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| iophk | It is big news that Nokia hid the changes to Elop's contract. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| iophk | Flat out lied, it seems. | Sep 26 10:56 |
| iophk | I wonder what they themselves get out of it. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| iophk | It seems like they were laughing about the decline all along. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | Financing a couple thousand dollars of that car on the credit card at 12.9 is not ideal, but a bad credit car lot that had that car would sell it for something more like $6,500, and then finance it at 18. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's just one of the costs of being poor. | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | "The poor pay more." | Sep 26 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | I've read horror stories about those buy here pay here lots. | Sep 26 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | People get themselves into a nasty deal like I described, and then sometimes the car doesn't even make it all the way back to their home from the lot. | Sep 26 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | Dave's credit is like that, so he bought his pickup truck off one of those lots. | Sep 26 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | He got it paid off just in time for the engine to take a dive and need rebuilt. | Sep 26 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | By that time, the air conditioner compressor was bad too, so it was in the shop for a few weeks, and he ended up paying a few thousand more. | Sep 26 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | Trucks are just expensive period. I've seen new ones priced at $63,000. | Sep 26 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/new-2013-Ford-Taurus-4dr_Sdn_SHO_AWD-Columbia_City-IN/1931925063 | Sep 26 11:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cityautomall.com | 2013 Ford Taurus for sale in Columbia City - 1FAHP2KT7DG199164 - City Automall [ http://ur1.ca/fpnfm ] | Sep 26 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | $38,901 + tax, title, license, and dealer documentation fees. | Sep 26 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | And that's "on sale" because they're trying to get it off their lot to make room for a 2014. | Sep 26 11:05 |
| iophk | distraction from the issues:http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/26/former-nokia-ceo-divorce-stephen-elop-payoff | Sep 26 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Former Nokia chief cites divorce as he refuses to scale down £16m payoff | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpnoh ] | Sep 26 11:26 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049369/amd-nvidia-ramp-up-linux-driver-support-after-valves-steamos-announcement.html | Sep 26 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | AMD, Nvidia ramp up Linux driver support after Valve's SteamOS announcement | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fpnpd ] | Sep 26 11:29 |
| schestowitz | iophk: D* says the same as twitter | Sep 26 11:37 |
| iophk | ok | Sep 26 11:38 |
| schestowitz | iophk: personifying the issue | Sep 26 11:38 |
| iophk | yes, it's a distraction by trying to make it about his personal life | Sep 26 11:38 |
| schestowitz | iophk: mentioned Elop here https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383178486745432064 | Sep 26 11:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft Moles in HP, the Bill Hilf Edition http://t.co/5xykjaWItU #microsoft #hp #gnu #linux #windows | Sep 26 11:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft Moles in HP, the Bill Hilf Edition | Techrights | Sep 26 11:39 |
| iophk | See the one by the Master: "Checkers speech" | Sep 26 11:39 |
| schestowitz | iophk: it also sells the story better | Sep 26 11:39 |
| schestowitz | for some, gossip is more interesting | Sep 26 11:39 |
| iophk | it's also an attempt to trivialize the issue by making it about his divorce instead of large-scale fraud and deception | Sep 26 11:40 |
| iophk | Though it is hard to call it deception. A great many were not fooled by him at all, but those were not in positions of influence. | Sep 26 11:40 |
| iophk | Will the Finns wake up and smell the coffee about M$? | Sep 26 11:41 |
| iophk | Elop, and his owner M$, should be sued for the 10's or 100's of billions that Nokia was worth before his arrival. | Sep 26 11:43 |
| MinceR | probably for more so that the sentence has deterrent force | Sep 26 11:44 |
| iophk | It has to be big enough to cut into their profits or they will just treat it like the other fines, just the cost of doing business. | Sep 26 11:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 26 11:48 |
| iophk | Many times M$ has been able delay the punishment for close to a decade. | Sep 26 11:49 |
| iophk | I'm not sure how that process could be speeded up. | Sep 26 11:49 |
| iophk | Even the EU cases dragged on until they were rendered toothless. | Sep 26 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes, indeed | Sep 26 12:03 |
| schestowitz | !google HSBC money laundering fine a joke | Sep 26 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - HSBC's $1.9 Billion Money Laundering Fine And the Somalian Cost ... | http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/08/hsbcs-1-9-billion-money-laundering-fine-and-the-somalian-cost-of-bank-regulation/ | Sep 26 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Taibbi: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213 | Sep 26 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - HSBC to pay $1.9 billion U.S. fine in money-laundering case | Reuters | http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/11/us-hsbc-probe-idUSBRE8BA05M20121211 | Sep 26 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Whistleblower: HSBC $1.9 billion fine 'a joke' - WorldNetDaily | http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/whistleblower-hsbc-1-9-billion-fine-a-joke/ | Sep 26 12:03 |
| schestowitz | see [2] and [4] | Sep 26 12:04 |
| iophk | Rolling Stone has some good writers. | Sep 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3106131 | Sep 26 12:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As the World ‘Progresses’ Protest is Being Banned in the United States and Its Allies http://techrights.org/2013/09/25/online-protest-banned/ #protest | Sep 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes, what;'s left of them | Sep 26 12:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | As the World ‘Progresses’ Protest is Being Banned in the United States and Its Allies | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fpdpq ] | Sep 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz | One of them was recently killed by the CIA or the FBI recently, suggests strong evidence | Sep 26 12:07 |
| schestowitz | !google fiery crash rolling stones | Sep 26 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Michael Hastings Death: Newly Unearthed Surveillance Video ... | http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-hastings-death-newly-unearthed-594175 | Sep 26 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Less than a day after the BuzzFeed and Rolling Stone reporter died ... | http://12160.info/page/less-than-a-day-after-the-buzzfeed-and-rolling-stone-reporter-die | Sep 26 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Michael Hastings conspiracy theories: Web goes wild after NSA, CIA ... | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/conspiracy-theories-abound-michael-hastings-death-article-1.1377392 | Sep 26 12:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Journalist Michael Hastings Was Investigating CIA Director at Time ... | http://www.globalresearch.ca/journalist-michael-hastings-was-investigating-cia-director-at-time-of-deadly-crash/5346028 | Sep 26 12:07 |
| iophk | Yeah one of the articles mentioned that the car caught fire before crashing. | Sep 26 12:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | What makes you think Monsanto is not DDoSing and otherwise harassing protest sites, Brad? Techrights gets DDoS all the time. Others have gotten worse. | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8354 http://darkernet.in/mapping-the-evidence-that-connects-the-law-firm-barrett-brown-investigated-with-his-prosecution/ | Sep 26 12:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bradblog.com | The BRAD BLOG : U.S. Chamber of Commerce Thugs Used 'Terror Tools' for Disinfo Scheme Targeting Me, My Family, Other Progressive U.S. Citizens, Groups | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman explains the similarity between what Anonymous does and an ordinary protest. | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/17/anonymous-wikileaks-protest-amazon-mastercard | Sep 26 12:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | darkernet.in | Mapping the evidence that connects the law firm Barrett Brown investigated with his prosecution | Darker Net [ http://ur1.ca/fpo89 ] | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Calling these protests DDoS, or distributed denial of service, attacks is misleading, too. A DDoS attack is done with thousands of "zombie" computers. Typically, somebody breaks the security of those computers (often with a virus) and takes remote control of them, then rigs them up as a "botnet" to do in unison whatever he directs (in this case, to overload a server). The Anonymous protesters' computers are not zombies; presumably they | Sep 26 12:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | The Anonymous WikiLeaks protests are a mass demo against control | Richard Stallman | Comment is free | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpo8b ] | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | are being individually operated. | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Remember not to let your morals be guided by the law. It's the law that's supposed to follow our morals. At some point, when society becomes too oppressive, it is our moral obligation to not obey laws imposed by rich and powerful people on the rest of us. | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes law is used as an instrument against the "threat" of morality. | Sep 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3105826 | Sep 26 12:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When you 'help' people avoid ('protect' them) from 'bad' stuff you're basically imposing on them your own prejudices. | Sep 26 12:10 |
| schestowitz | "We do help people avoid non free software and based on carefully considered opinion, not prejudice." | Sep 26 12:10 |
| iophk | * thousands of "zombie" computers == windows(tm) | Sep 26 12:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3105824 | Sep 26 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: British press seemingly upset that in the #uk there is *NO* #censorship in some networks http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/25/porn-knives-and-drugs-websites-accessible-on-most-public-wi-fi http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10332010/Porn-on-most-free-public-WiFi-networks.html | Sep 26 12:12 |
| schestowitz | :"Censors always think they have something to gain by shutting people up. Sooner or later, they learn what a mistake that is." | Sep 26 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Porn, knives and drugs websites accessible on most public Wi-Fi | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fp4ax ] | Sep 26 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.telegraph.co.uk | Porn on most free public WiFi networks - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/fp4aw ] | Sep 26 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Unless the censorship is successfully hidden, by "disciplining" people to reject certain views or teaching people that censorship really protects them | Sep 26 12:13 |
| schestowitz | iophk: not always | Sep 26 12:13 |
| schestowitz | some DDOS attacks can just be hundreds of people reloading a page manually from one server | Sep 26 12:13 |
| schestowitz | works against smaller sites | Sep 26 12:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3105821 | Sep 26 12:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: PopSci doesn't want to hear back from angry readers http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/why-were-shutting-our-comments | Sep 26 12:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.popsci.com | Why We're Shutting Off Our Comments | Popular Science [ http://ur1.ca/fp2x1 ] | Sep 26 12:15 |
| schestowitz | "Lauren Weinstein agrees that this is a mistake, "<a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/114753028665775786510/posts/dm9mZGDD25R">The issue is real. Their "solution" is inane and counterproductive. Shame on them.</a>"" | Sep 26 12:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | plus.google.com | Lauren Weinstein - Google+ - "Comments can be bad for science. That's why, here at… [ http://ur1.ca/fpoan ] | Sep 26 12:15 |
| iophk | DDOS can be due to intentional slashdot effect | Sep 26 12:15 |
| iophk | http://rt.com/usa/michael-hastings-car-neighbor-853/ | Sep 26 12:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/f75hc ] | Sep 26 12:26 |
| iophk | a little old - http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/barrett-brown-faces-105-years-in-jail-20130905 | Sep 26 12:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.rollingstone.com | Barrett Brown: America's Least Likely Political Prisoner | Culture News | Rolling Stone [ http://ur1.ca/fpohj ] | Sep 26 12:34 |
| iophk | "He copy-pasted a publicly available link containing publicly available data that he was researching in his capacity as a journalist." | Sep 26 12:36 |
| MinceR | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24246646 | Sep 26 12:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Apple Maps flaw results in drivers crossing airport runway [ http://ur1.ca/fparv ] | Sep 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383194122968121344 | Sep 26 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNOME Desktop Approaches 3.10 and Finds Wider Acceptance http://t.co/v1mewQn5M0 #gnome #gnu #linux | Sep 26 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | GNOME Desktop Approaches 3.10 and Finds Wider Acceptance | Techrights | Sep 26 12:40 |
| iophk | http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/09/25/steam-rolling-into-your-living-room/ | Sep 26 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.nvidia.com | Steam Rolling Into Your Living Room [ http://ur1.ca/fpol2 ] | Sep 26 12:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383194690428096512 | Sep 26 12:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple is a killer app http://t.co/4vhVkrwOHV | Sep 26 12:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 12:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383197514352316416 | Sep 26 12:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Steam Rolling Into Your Living Room http://t.co/VhnCenUzlv #steam #gnu #linux | Sep 26 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z-sdO6pwVHQ | Sep 26 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Help Kickstart World War III! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fpp4q ] | Sep 26 13:38 |
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| iophk | Quite mainstream: http://techland.time.com/2013/09/24/the-state-of-linux-gaming-with-valves-steamos/ | Sep 26 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techland.time.com | The State of Linux Gaming with Valve’s SteamOS | TIME.com [ http://ur1.ca/fpphp ] | Sep 26 14:14 |
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| iophk | "A decade later in an interview with CNET, Bradley said he didn’t really know why Microsoft decided to make his invention their log-in command." | Sep 26 14:56 |
| iophk | http://www.geekwire.com/2013/gates-harvard/ | Sep 26 14:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.geekwire.com | Finally: Bill Gates admits Control-Alt-Delete was a mistake - GeekWire [ http://ur1.ca/fppxk ] | Sep 26 14:57 |
| iophk | It was because Windows was so frequently locking up that Windows users were pressing it many times per day. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| iophk | Using it as an official function changed the psychological approach to it. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| iophk | It was marketing, basically. | Sep 26 14:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 14:58 |
| iophk | As a result of getting mocked for the "three-finger salute" | Sep 26 14:58 |
| iophk | So geekwire is helping spread a bit of revisionist history there. | Sep 26 14:59 |
| iophk | With W95 and W98 you could be pressing ctrl-alt-del a dozen times in a single 8-hour work day. | Sep 26 14:59 |
| iophk | It bordered on unusable. | Sep 26 15:06 |
| iophk | — on the wrong side of that border. | Sep 26 15:08 |
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| DaemonFC | gas prices came down a little bit more | Sep 26 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | Last month they got up to $4.26 per gallon. | Sep 26 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | I just filled up my tank a few minutes ago at $3.37. | Sep 26 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | Which is really like $3.32 for me because I have a credit card that gives me a small discount. | Sep 26 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 26 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | Dave will watch just about anything on TV. He was watching Cops the other night and they drove past a gas station and gas was $1.42 per gallon. | Sep 26 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that and said "You're watching a 10 year old rerun of Cops...." | Sep 26 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | I thought I came across a Craigslist deal on a pickup truck. | Sep 26 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | It looked awesome and then I saw that it only had the 2.2 liter inline 4 engine. | Sep 26 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | What good is a 130 HP engine in a pickup truck? | Sep 26 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | A pickup truck with the engine out of a Chevy Cavalier. | Sep 26 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | I've driven a Chevy Cavalier as a loaner car when mine was in the shop. That engine is just barely good enough for a cheap little car. | Sep 26 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | I backed up into a telephone pole and put a dent the size of an orange in the rear bumper. | Sep 26 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Got out, started panicking, then popped the dent out with my bare hands. | Sep 26 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Barely even qualifies as a car. | Sep 26 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | One step up from a Geo Metro. | Sep 26 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe they used the same engine in a truck. | Sep 26 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Not only is that engine pathetic, it's also expensive to maintain and extremely unreliable. | Sep 26 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | It's an interference engine, so if the timing belt ever breaks, you're looking at a rebuild. | Sep 26 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | At least Ford's cheap 4 cylinder engines are non-interference. If the timing belt breaks, you don't destroy the engine. You're in for a tow though. | Sep 26 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | I guess you could damage it if you sit there trying to restart the car. :) | Sep 26 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | But GM's inline 4 is destroyed the second the belt breaks. | Sep 26 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The reason I don't want any part of a GM car with a 4 cylinder engine is....guess how many people replace the timing belt on schedule? | Sep 26 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | It's a $400 job that you're supposed to do every 50,000 miles. | Sep 26 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | Most people just happen to be lucky and get away with over 150,000 on the original belt before it snaps. | Sep 26 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | So if you buy a GM vehicle with a timing belt, expect to do a belt change right after buying the vehicle. | Sep 26 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | I've had GM vehicles and I've had Ford vehicles, and I'll tell you what. Ford just makes better stuff. | Sep 26 15:22 |
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| DaemonFC | That's also why I only purchase vehicles with a V6 engine in them, even if it's just a small 3 liter. | Sep 26 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | Ford and GM both use timing chains in their V6 engines. | Sep 26 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | Should never have to be changed. | Sep 26 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | That alone is worth getting a couple less mpg. | Sep 26 15:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: you are not right on all GM engines have timing chains in v6 class. | Sep 26 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | The ones I've owned had chains. | Sep 26 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | The only good part about those cars was the 3.1 liter V6. | Sep 26 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | The 3.4 liter ones had defective intake manifold gaskets. | Sep 26 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | You'd replace them about every 50,000 miles because they'd already be leaking again. | Sep 26 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | They should have been recalled, but GM didn't want to do that because it would cost more to fix their defective engines than they had money on hand. | Sep 26 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | They liked to put those in some mid-grade Buicks and Oldsmobiles, and their Chevy Venture, Pontiac Montana, and Oldsmobile Silhouette vans. | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Those vans were largely unreliable. | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | It's why you see so many of them that only have 100,000 miles on them being sold for next to nothing. | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Bad engine and rust problems, mostly. | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Some transmission issues too. | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | If you're going to buy a van, buy a Ford van. | Sep 26 15:29 |
| MinceR | no. | Sep 26 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | If you're going to buy a car, either get a Ford car, or if you're looking at GM, get one with a 3.1 liter V6. | Sep 26 15:29 |
| MinceR | i'll get a honda, a toyota or a lexus | Sep 26 15:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | Those powertrain on those GM vans that had all the problems were made in a factory in Georgia that GM finally shut down permanently in 2008. | Sep 26 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Honda. Good call if you have the money for one. | Sep 26 15:31 |
| MinceR | and if they make a vehicle in the category you're looking for :> | Sep 26 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | For a car with similar age and miles, you double the price when you go Honda instead of Ford. | Sep 26 15:31 |
| MinceR | they don't make large SUV-s, for example | Sep 26 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | My Ford Taurus is 20 years old and still runs fine. | Sep 26 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Honda and Toyota are the only car companies with decent four cylinder engines. | Sep 26 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | They're the only four cylinder engines that I think most of them would make it over 200,000 miles. | Sep 26 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | You can judge about how reliable a car company's designs are by how many of each class of vehicle is still in service after 20 years or 200,000 miles. | Sep 26 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | GM and Ford's compact cars with four cylinder engines just don't make it. | Sep 26 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | The service manual stops at 150,000 miles for a reason. | Sep 26 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 15:34 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's about the longest you'd expect one to last. | Sep 26 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | My car is a beater but it still runs fine. | Sep 26 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | That's about all you can expect of a 20 year old vehicle. | Sep 26 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | Definitely not bad for a car I paid $2,000 for 8 years ago. | Sep 26 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | When I go to buy a newer car, MinceR...... | Sep 26 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | I believe I'll do what I did last time. | Sep 26 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | a 10 year old Ford Taurus with about 100,000 miles on it | Sep 26 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | They're in the $3,500-$4,000 range now because of all the Obamabucks floating around. | Sep 26 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | But you're not going to do a lot better for the money. | Sep 26 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | Cash For Clunkers and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act alone cost about as much as the first 10 years of the war in Afghanistan. | Sep 26 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | Did next to nothing to help the economy. Might have even hurt it quite badly since it created so much more debt and took running vehicles out of a used car market with high demand. | Sep 26 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I thought about turning my Ford Taurus in during Cash for Clunkers, but the $4,500 you got out of that was just a discount on a brand new car. | Sep 26 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | Which costs about $40,000 now. | Sep 26 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | So it wasn't exactly "free money". | Sep 26 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't stomach the thought of turning in a perfectly operational 16 year old vehicle that was paid for so I could get saddled with a bank loan for an overpriced new car. | Sep 26 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, But millions of people did turn in their perfectly good old cars to be destroyed and then ended up with a car payment they couldn't really make. | Sep 26 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | Then the bank takes their car back and sells it to someone else, and now they have no car. | Sep 26 15:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | But that's what you get when you have the government and corporations working together to impose a fascist agenda. | Sep 26 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | Right? | Sep 26 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think the entire point of the Clunker program was to trick people into giving up a valuable asset they already owned free and clear. | Sep 26 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | To enrich the banks and heat up the used car market so much that people were forced to decide if $5,000 was really worth it for a car that was $2,000 a few years ago. | Sep 26 15:44 |
| MinceR | or to get older, more polluting cars out of use | Sep 26 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | The idea was to prod people into the new car market and to make crippling payments with interest to the banks. | Sep 26 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there's a couple of arguments to suggest otherwise. | Sep 26 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | The libertarian argument is that nobody should be taking my money to buy someone else a new car with. | Sep 26 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | The other one is the fact that it only reduced greenhouse gas emissions of the entire vehicle fleet in the United States by 0.4%. | Sep 26 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | It probably actually damaged the environment in other ways. | Sep 26 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | The energy and toxic material disposal associated with crushing and recycling cars that could have been driven for another 5-10 years. | Sep 26 15:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, there's that | Sep 26 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | If people want a new car, that's fine. | Sep 26 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | They should accumulate their own money or get a loan for the entire amount. | Sep 26 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | and there shouldn't be any government rebates involved | Sep 26 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | The money for the rebates is taken from people who can't afford to buy a nice car for themselves. | Sep 26 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | On the whole, people would be better off if the government stayed out of the car business. | Sep 26 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | They are distorting the market. | Sep 26 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | They're giving freebies to people who could afford to buy the new cars on their own, and taking money from people who need it to buy *a* car at all in the first place. | Sep 26 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | So it's a reverse Robin Hood situation. | Sep 26 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I refuse to live in debt. | Sep 26 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | So what if people laugh at what I drive? I'm not paying $400 a month for an asset that is rapidly decreasing in value, and making interest payments to a bank on top of that. | Sep 26 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | I could get a loan somewhere, but it would be a particularly nasty one. | Sep 26 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | They like to use medical bills that nobody can pay as an excuse to railroad people into subprime car loans. | Sep 26 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | Creditors are not in the business of helping people out, they're in the business of keeping them in debt as long as possible. | Sep 26 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | Their only real motive for stopping at a certain point is that they'll eventually overload you to the point of bankruptcy if they don't stop. | Sep 26 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I picked up on that when I worked in the Rent To Own business for a while. | Sep 26 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | The training video even used the word "overloading the customer". | Sep 26 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | You're supposed to figure out how much they can pay you without defaulting on everything. | Sep 26 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | Because then you have to get their stuff back and that can be difficult, expensive, and time consuming. | Sep 26 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | So the customer is supposed to put on a form their gross income from all sources, their rent/mortgage and utility bills, the amount they pay on their car loan, etc. | Sep 26 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | Then you're not supposed to give them more than a certain dollar amount worth of merchandise at any given time. | Sep 26 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, And the business can be damned sloppy. | Sep 26 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Especially when a dozen different people rent the same computer. | Sep 26 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | They don't get reimaged when they turn them in. | Sep 26 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Because that takes too much time. | Sep 26 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | You're supposed to delete their Windows user account and rent it out again, but sometimes that doesn't even get done. | Sep 26 15:58 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | So any malware and most of their files get handed to the next person that rents the computer. | Sep 26 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | I actually had my boss tell me not to rent any laptops to a certain person that was re-imaging them with Ubuntu. | Sep 26 15:59 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 26 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | The furniture and small appliance rentals were worse. | Sep 26 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | You have mattresses and couches coming back where someone urinated or defecated on them. | Sep 26 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Or they'll be infested with bedbugs. | Sep 26 16:01 |
| MinceR | ew | Sep 26 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | And do you think anyone cleans out a microwave oven before they bring it back? | Sep 26 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. The rule is that if you can get rid of the stain, rent it out again. | Sep 26 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | If you can't, it goes to the dump. | Sep 26 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | They prey on working class people who can't afford to save up any money to buy household furniture. | Sep 26 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Rent To Own is worse than putting it all on the worst credit card you can get. | Sep 26 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Even worse, it's all been used. | Sep 26 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4086223612.html | Sep 26 16:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | chevy truck - stolen [ http://ur1.ca/fpqlj ] | Sep 26 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they couldn't find anything less conspicuous to steal. | Sep 26 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 16:09 |
| MinceR | http://gigaom.com/2013/09/26/seriously-samsung-sorry-european-roamers-but-the-new-galaxy-note-3-is-region-locked/ | Sep 26 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Seriously, Samsung? Sorry, roamers, but the new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/fpqmc ] | Sep 26 16:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: That samsung thing was some idiot making labs. | Sep 26 16:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: labels. | Sep 26 16:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the issue is generation 4 networks. | Sep 26 16:17 |
| oiaohm | EU and the USA are different. | Sep 26 16:17 |
| MinceR | different LTE bands or what? | Sep 26 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Different LTE bands and different encryption. | Sep 26 16:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so complete no go. | Sep 26 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Yes it is possible ot have a LTE only carrier in the USA or EU. | Sep 26 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie a sim that is not 3g. | Sep 26 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Or lower. | Sep 26 16:19 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 26 16:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so the label is half right. | Sep 26 16:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the recent conference on X11 covering DRM secuirty. | Sep 26 16:25 |
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| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/linux-powered-steam-machines-to-take-many-forms/ | Sep 27 07:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | Steam Machines game consoles to take many forms · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fq2fj ] | Sep 27 07:59 |
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| iophk | C# infections - http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/201063/Valves_Linux_push_What_do_game_developers_think.php | Sep 27 09:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gamasutra.com | Gamasutra - Valve's Linux push: What do game developers think? [ http://ur1.ca/fq3b2 ] | Sep 27 09:09 |
| iophk | so that's where it's coming from. | Sep 27 09:09 |
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| schestowitz_mob | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/383309370634682368 | Sep 27 09:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Agreed (although I don't think David Icke would) On another note, looking forward to hearing your next Stallman episode! | Sep 27 09:30 |
| schestowitz_mob | iophk1, yes, of course | Sep 27 09:30 |
| schestowitz_mob | neglect of Linux is usually a biz decision | Sep 27 09:30 |
| iophk1 | less about making money than other things | Sep 27 09:31 |
| schestowitz_mob | eng assessed for technical abilities, e.g. to compile | Sep 27 09:31 |
| *iophk1 is now known as iophk | Sep 27 09:31 | |
| schestowitz_mob | managers measured by bottom line, financial | Sep 27 09:31 |
| iophk | It looks like it is starting to tip in the direction of Linux for games now. | Sep 27 09:32 |
| schestowitz_mob | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110807 | Sep 27 09:32 |
| JimmyCarter | steam OS will heal world / steam OS is who obama shouldve been | Sep 27 09:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Raspberry Pi Doorlock Uses USB Keys http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1319500 #usb #linux | Sep 27 09:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eetimes.com | Raspberry Pi Doorlock Uses USB Keys | EE Times [ http://ur1.ca/fq3jd ] | Sep 27 09:32 |
| schestowitz_mob | "I guess that could be done with an Arduino too." | Sep 27 09:32 |
| JimmyCarter | im installing Google Play Services and Google AdMob Ads SDK | Sep 27 09:33 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049400/why-steamos-will-challenge-windows-for-pc-gaming-supremacy.html | Sep 27 09:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | Why SteamOS will challenge Windows for PC gaming supremacy | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fq3jn ] | Sep 27 09:33 |
| schestowitz_mob | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3111300 | Sep 27 09:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: On #cognitive #dissonance https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_3d206c3952ae205d089f.png | Sep 27 09:33 |
| schestowitz_mob | "how spin works." | Sep 27 09:33 |
| JimmyCarter | The world is a vampire. | Sep 27 09:34 |
| iophk | How will M$ fight SteamOS? | Sep 27 09:34 |
| iophk | M$ moves slowly, so if Valve is fast to release, it will get by. | Sep 27 09:35 |
| schestowitz_mob | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3111138 | Sep 27 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google uses obligatory real ID in #Google #Surveillance Plus to apply 'soft' #censorship to comments in #YouTube http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57604431-93/youtube-gets-the-yuck-out-in-comments-cleanup/ | Sep 27 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.cnet.com | YouTube gets the yuck out in comments cleanup | Internet & Media - CNET News [ http://ur1.ca/fq3kx ] | Sep 27 09:36 |
| schestowitz_mob | "Anonymity in most forums is an illusion. Is it ethical to let Windows users think otherwise? I think this is why Google decided on a "real names" policy for G+. Allowing people to think they have anonymity when they don't is unethical. Google can't tell us the NSA or all the companies the NSA shares with (Microsoft) and they can't resist demands to betray users." | Sep 27 09:36 |
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