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DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/26/ios-7-design-motion-sickness_n_3995898.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopularSep 28 06:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | iOS 7 Design Is Giving Some People Motion Sickness And Vertigo  [ http://ur1.ca/fqlgb ]Sep 28 06:22
DaemonFCiPukeSep 28 06:22
schestowitz_mobmoving to a laptopSep 28 06:26
schestowitz_mobmy PC's hard drive is a messSep 28 06:26
schestowitz_mobtoo many FS errors for weeks nowSep 28 06:27
schestowitz_moband new ones emergingSep 28 06:27
schestowitz_mobI am going to move to the latest kde on another machineSep 28 06:27
DaemonFChttp://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/09/google_street_view_invades_a_l.phpSep 28 06:30
TechrightsBot-trblogs.miaminewtimes.com | Google Street View Invades a Liberty City Woman's Right To Hold a Water Jug Naked On Front Porch  [ http://ur1.ca/fqlj6 ]Sep 28 06:30
DaemonFCLOLSep 28 06:30
DaemonFCThey still have it.Sep 28 06:31
DaemonFCThey just blurred out the entire naked woman.Sep 28 06:32
DaemonFCMinceR, Someone I know has liens on all his cars because of back child support.Sep 28 06:45
DaemonFCHe had one that was really old that he didn't need, and he wanted to sell it, but the state wouldn't release the title.Sep 28 06:45
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DaemonFCSo I called around to some scrap metal salvage companies, and found one that would pay him $400 to crush and recycle the car without asking for the title.Sep 28 06:46
oiaohmSo MinceR is around?Sep 28 06:50
DaemonFCUsuallySep 28 06:51
oiaohmDaemonFC: he is sometime in sometime outSep 28 06:51
DaemonFCIndiana has some fucked up laws.Sep 28 06:52
oiaohmMinceR: XDC2013 David Herrmann - DRM Security  video would be a very good watch. Sep 28 06:52
DaemonFCThey won't let you sell your vehicles to pay your child support.Sep 28 06:52
oiaohmMinceR: shows many of the reasons why I say X11 has to dieSep 28 06:52
DaemonFCIf you have a professional license, they will revoke it, so you lose your good paying job that could pay your child support.Sep 28 06:52
DaemonFCWhen they cause you to get so far behind that you can't pay it, they put you in prison.Sep 28 06:52
DaemonFCThe only thing that saved his bacon is that he has a good paying job that only required a high school diploma, which is rare.Sep 28 06:53
oiaohmDaemonFC: so they don't allow you todo the wage ganashed by boss with a professional license to keep it.Sep 28 06:53
DaemonFCSo there's nothing the state can really do to mess that up for him.Sep 28 06:53
DaemonFCAnd his son turned 18, so the new child support debt stopped and he's making progress with the back payments now.Sep 28 06:54
DaemonFCoiaohm, No. They just revoke your license.Sep 28 06:54
DaemonFCThen you're working at McDonalds or Walmart or something.Sep 28 06:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: Ok they sux balls over there.Sep 28 06:54
DaemonFCAnd you might have had a $30 an hour job they could garnish if they hadn't revoked your license.Sep 28 06:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: Australia if you don't agree to having your wage ganashed they take license.Sep 28 06:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: if you have not been paying.Sep 28 06:55
oiaohmSo minorally more fair.Sep 28 06:55
oiaohmProblem is they can ganahey wages to 10 dollars under unemployment rate.Sep 28 06:55
DaemonFCI knew a guy that owed so much child support that he started working off the books to get the state to stop garnishing him.Sep 28 06:56
DaemonFCI paid him to work on my car a few years ago.Sep 28 06:56
DaemonFCThe shop wanted like $400 to fix something, and he said he'd do it if I brought him the parts and paid him $100 for the work.Sep 28 06:56
DaemonFCSo it ended up costing me $150 instead.Sep 28 06:56
DaemonFCThat works. :)Sep 28 06:56
DaemonFCIt's always good to know someone that's a shade tree mechanic that works off the books for whatever reason.Sep 28 06:57
DaemonFCI had him replace my car's radiator too.Sep 28 06:58
DaemonFCShop wanted $500.Sep 28 06:58
DaemonFCI ended up paying like $300.Sep 28 06:58
DaemonFCCar repair will give you a serious financial buzz cut.Sep 28 06:58
DaemonFCI'm just trying to keep my piece of shit running cheaply for the next year or two while I save money to buy something newer.Sep 28 06:59
DaemonFCThose shops charge so much money that sometimes it's cheaper to buy a new car than to fix what you've got.Sep 28 06:59
DaemonFCI'm just glad that Indiana doesn't have smog checks or safety inspections.Sep 28 07:00
DaemonFCIf this was California, it probably wouldn't even be legal to operate the car I have.Sep 28 07:00
DaemonFCIt gave me a good scare last year. It started idling rough.Sep 28 07:01
DaemonFCI hooked up a code scanner and it said that the MAF sensor was bad.Sep 28 07:02
DaemonFCSo I took the MAF sensor off and sprayed it down with a cleaning solvent, and plugged it back in, cleared the code.Sep 28 07:02
DaemonFCIt hasn't come back.Sep 28 07:02
DaemonFCFord tries to stop you from cleaning it by securing it with a Torx screw with a blob of epoxy in the head.Sep 28 07:03
DaemonFCIt took me more than an hour to scrape out the epoxy before I could get the MAF sensor off.Sep 28 07:03
DaemonFCWhile I was messing around with that, I also cleaned out the throttle body and plate.Sep 28 07:03
DaemonFCThe starter motor and alternator went out. I managed to fix those with junkyard parts.Sep 28 07:04
DaemonFCThe guy said go out and pick whatever I needed.Sep 28 07:04
DaemonFCThe starter and alternator were only like $10 each that way.Sep 28 07:04
DaemonFCI called down to NAPA first and asked them to price out an alternator for me.Sep 28 07:05
DaemonFCThat's a $290 part all by itself.Sep 28 07:05
DaemonFCI managed to pick one from a 1993 Taurus that had been wrecked.Sep 28 07:06
DaemonFCEver since then when something breaks, I go find a junkyard part.Sep 28 07:06
DaemonFCI'm done putting lots of money into this thing. :PSep 28 07:06
DaemonFCIt just needs to run for another year or two and then I'll probably buy a 2006-2007 model Taurus to replace it with.Sep 28 07:07
DaemonFCoiaohm, I understand that Australia has a minimum wage of like $14 an hour.Sep 28 07:18
DaemonFCThey keep saying that if we did that here, it would "destroy jobs".Sep 28 07:18
DaemonFCI don't really think that would happen. Most of the jobs that would be affected are ones you really have to have someone physically present to do.Sep 28 07:19
DaemonFCA lot of people have been tricked into getting college degrees, and then they don't find any good jobs later.Sep 28 07:23
DaemonFCSomeone I know is so far deep into student debt that they're garnishing him down to minimum wage x 30 hours.Sep 28 07:23
DaemonFCI understand that it's not uncommon.Sep 28 07:23
DaemonFCI just wonder how people are managing to get by despite every nasty thing that's going on these days.Sep 28 07:23
DaemonFCAfter a while, there's just nothing left to cut.Sep 28 07:24
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DaemonFCZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 28 08:07
DaemonFCThe Catholic Church. Fun for the whole family.Sep 28 08:07
DaemonFCBring the kids!Sep 28 08:07
DaemonFCZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 28 08:08
DaemonFCThe Episcopal church:Sep 28 08:08
DaemonFCDon't worry kids. We're not Catholic.Sep 28 08:08
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DaemonFCThese people on Craigslist are nuts.Sep 28 09:49
DaemonFC$2,000 for a 1999 minivan with 180,000 miles.Sep 28 09:49
DaemonFCI would be unwilling to pay a lot more than crush value for something like that.Sep 28 09:50
oiaohmI guess no new engine.Sep 28 09:50
DaemonFCBecause it will last a few years and then it will get too expensive to justify maintaining, and it will have to be crushed.Sep 28 09:50
oiaohmminivan with 180.000 but with a new engine like 2 to 3 years back would still be worth that.Sep 28 09:51
DaemonFCWell, if I had no vehicle and someone said they had a van like that, I'd pay about $1,000-$1,200 for it.Sep 28 09:51
DaemonFCoriginal everything I supposeSep 28 09:51
DaemonFCthey usually point out any engine or transmission rebuildsSep 28 09:51
DaemonFCIf they have the documentation, that increases the value.Sep 28 09:51
oiaohmIt also reduces the cost of parts.Sep 28 09:51
oiaohmminivans are one of the few car type with close to standard engine mounts.Sep 28 09:52
DaemonFCIf they said they wanted $2000 and had documentation that the engine and transmission had been rebuilt, I'd pay $2,000 or more.Sep 28 09:52
oiaohmDaemonFC: I was talking engine replace with more modern version.Sep 28 09:52
DaemonFCYou have to watch out though. Engine rebuilds are only as reliable as the mechanic that did the work.Sep 28 09:52
oiaohmDaemonFC: the other I like for easy engine replacement is anything built on standard dune buggy chassie.Sep 28 09:53
oiaohmYes the old BW beatle chassie.Sep 28 09:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: rebuilds normally don't interest me that much.Sep 28 09:54
DaemonFCRebuilds are only worth if if the body of the vehicle is in good shape.Sep 28 09:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: problem with a rebuild the same age is the getting parts is still too hard on a 10 year old engine.Sep 28 09:55
DaemonFCIf you can do the rebuilds for a few thousand dollars and the vehicle will go another 10 years, you should do it.Sep 28 09:55
DaemonFCI wouldn't get into it with my car because the body is being eaten by rust.Sep 28 09:55
oiaohma few thousand dollars on the engine normally can get you a max of a 5 year old engine.Sep 28 09:56
DaemonFCI don't think it's a good thing to expect my car to be driveable for more than another few years.Sep 28 09:56
oiaohmLow milage here DaemonFCSep 28 09:56
DaemonFCI'm at the point where I'm doing minimal maintenance.Sep 28 09:56
DaemonFCIf it costs me $500-600 to keep it going another 3 years, then that's alright.Sep 28 09:56
DaemonFCI wouldn't want to get much deeper than that.Sep 28 09:57
DaemonFCI'm setting back about $500 a month that I'm not allowing myself to touch.Sep 28 09:57
DaemonFCWhen this car breaks down, I should be able to afford something much nicer.Sep 28 09:57
DaemonFCNo bank will give me a loan, so setting back money is the only thing I can do.Sep 28 09:58
DaemonFCI guess that's not such a bad thing.Sep 28 09:58
DaemonFCAt least 100% of the money is going to buy the car, instead of interest to a bank.Sep 28 09:58
DaemonFCYou get a loan from a bank for $10,000, you're looking as a few thousand dollars more just on the interest.Sep 28 09:59
DaemonFCI'd rather save myself that expense and just drive this rustbucket into the ground while I save up.Sep 28 09:59
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DaemonFCThe seatbelt and driver door latch were both broken, so I went to the local junkyard and picked a seatbelt and a door latch for like $30.Sep 28 10:04
DaemonFCI'm not opposed to driving an old car, it's the mileage that really concerns me.Sep 28 10:05
iophkIt's been a few weeks since Dotcom: http://torrentfreak.com/kim-dotcom-offers-to-bankroll-kiwi-americas-cup-team-130927/Sep 28 10:05
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Kim Dotcom Offers to Bankroll Kiwi America’s Cup Team | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo5f ]Sep 28 10:05
DaemonFCThat and the condition of the body.Sep 28 10:05
DaemonFCIf you can pick a car that has been garaged and seldom driven for under $1,000 and make some minor repairs, you got a good deal.Sep 28 10:05
DaemonFCThe problem is that everyone knows that, so it's a race to get over there with the cash.Sep 28 10:06
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4052596408.htmlSep 28 10:09
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 2002 Buick Le Sabre custom  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo7n ]Sep 28 10:09
DaemonFCNice car. Mileage must be high because they didn't list it.Sep 28 10:10
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4094223636.htmlSep 28 10:14
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1999 olds intrigue  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo9e ]Sep 28 10:14
DaemonFCThat could be a good deal.Sep 28 10:14
DaemonFCI'm interested in cars with 100-115,000 miles on them.Sep 28 10:14
DaemonFCAny higher than that and you know they probably won't last a long time.Sep 28 10:15
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4082105817.htmlSep 28 10:16
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 92' Chevy Lumina  [ http://ur1.ca/fp8mz ]Sep 28 10:16
DaemonFCI drove one of these around for a while.Sep 28 10:16
DaemonFCMy dad sold it to me for $500.Sep 28 10:16
DaemonFCHe had it since it was new. It had 215,000 miles on it when I got it. I got it up to a little over 290 before it had major engine trouble.Sep 28 10:17
DaemonFCI used it for a long commute.Sep 28 10:17
DaemonFCMy favorite car that I've ever owned was a 1995 Chevrolet Corsica.Sep 28 10:24
DaemonFCIt had the 3.1 liter V6.Sep 28 10:24
DaemonFCThey don't look like much, but with that engine in them, they really get up and go.Sep 28 10:24
DaemonFCYou know the V6 was a better engine than the inline 4 because you don't see many around anymore that had the inline 4.Sep 28 10:25
DaemonFC4 cylinder engine that's not made by Honda or Toyota = disposable car.Sep 28 10:26
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2003-Pontiac-Aztek-4dr_All_Purpose_FWD-Columbia_City-IN/2073750613Sep 28 10:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2003 Pontiac Aztek for sale in Columbia City - 3G7DA03E33S543845 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/fqodr ]Sep 28 10:27
DaemonFCI'd call and ask about this, but pretty much all their trade ins have major problems.Sep 28 10:27
DaemonFCPeople trade them in when they know they couldn't sell them as-is.Sep 28 10:27
DaemonFCI thought the Aztek was one ugly vehicle.Sep 28 10:28
DaemonFCStill do.Sep 28 10:28
DaemonFCBut the fact that Walter White drove one makes them cool now.Sep 28 10:28
DaemonFCIf Pontiac was still around and making these, I'm sure that Breaking Bad would have had the sales going way up.Sep 28 10:29
DaemonFCIf it's good enough for Walter White, it's good enough for me.Sep 28 10:32
DaemonFCOf course, I'd have to go find a hat like his too.Sep 28 10:32
DaemonFCB-)Sep 28 10:33
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/oracles-reshape-deal-microsoft-just-certification-deal-221412old - Sep 28 10:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | The Industry Standard | The Industry Standard Channel - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fqona ]Sep 28 10:46
iophkold - http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/oracles-reshape-deal-microsoft-just-certification-deal-221412Sep 28 10:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Oracle's 'reshape' deal with Microsoft just a certification deal | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fqone ]Sep 28 10:46
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/elop-25-million-dollar-golden-handshake-for-destroying-the-company-how-could-this-happen-analysis-an.htmlSep 28 10:51
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Elop 25 Million Dollar Golden Handshake for Destroying the Company - How Could This Happen at Nokia (analysis and speculation) - Tomi plays detective again  [ http://ur1.ca/fqoq7 ]Sep 28 10:51
oiaohmiophk: ceo contracts are really evil.Sep 28 10:52
iophkYeah.Sep 28 10:52
iophkThere is also the stupidity of tying reward to stock price.Sep 28 10:52
iophkShare price has little to do with reality.Sep 28 10:52
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oiaohmiophk: really what is the point in performing if you will get the same money either way.Sep 28 10:56
iophkThe evaluations are never tied to true performance indicators, usually only to stock price.Sep 28 10:56
DaemonFCiophk, Yeah. We see that going on with Walmart.Sep 28 11:06
DaemonFCThey have tons of structural problems and their stock isn't reflecting it.Sep 28 11:06
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DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/4095604887.htmlSep 28 11:18
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | SuSE LINUX 8.1 NEVER USED  [ http://ur1.ca/fqp31 ]Sep 28 11:18
DaemonFCWho would buy that?Sep 28 11:19
MinceRi wouldn'tSep 28 11:19
oiaohmDaemonFC:  a patent laywer would buy that item.Sep 28 11:40
oiaohmDaemonFC: unsed historic marker of existance of something.Sep 28 11:40
oiaohmDaemonFC: basically perfect legal evidence.Sep 28 11:40
MinceR:)Sep 28 11:41
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes a open version of that box would be worthless.Sep 28 11:45
iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2050440/free-unix-the-worldchanging-proclamation-made-30-years-ago-today.htmlSep 28 11:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fqpgg ]Sep 28 11:47
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oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3MTY  Highly interestingSep 28 13:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics Project  [ http://ur1.ca/fqqja ]Sep 28 13:20
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schestowitz_log_migration to laptop sort of completeSep 28 20:36
schestowitz_log_and no major accidents so farSep 28 20:37
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_Goblinschestowitz, the benefits of the cloud...my chromebook, synced with all data/bookmarks in about 5 seconds once it was out of the box.Sep 28 20:39
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384039789198319616Sep 28 20:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Finally completing a belated migration to a new computer, after a third massive hardware failure in a month. Will be productive again soon.Sep 28 20:40
schestowitz_log__Goblin: that's not the issueSep 28 20:40
schestowitz_log_The data can be rsynced overSep 28 20:40
_GoblinAh..I just saw, hardware failureSep 28 20:40
schestowitz_log_the issues are different hereSep 28 20:40
schestowitz_log_yes, also on the SANSep 28 20:41
schestowitz_log_And my music player is bricked after I turned it into a live usbSep 28 20:41
_Goblinah :(Sep 28 20:41
schestowitz_log_I don't know how to format it now for the firmware to be happy with itSep 28 20:41
schestowitz_log_BTW, will you be up in manc any time soon?Sep 28 20:42
_Goblinive a usb adaptor for Microsd cards which I now use solely...Sep 28 20:42
_Gobliner...not in the immediate...Sep 28 20:42
_Goblinwas up in Durham a few weeks ago....Sep 28 20:42
_Goblinbut there's a little news here....Sep 28 20:42
schestowitz_log_maybe we'll come back to luton for a short visit this yearSep 28 20:42
_Goblinmay be moving.....Sep 28 20:43
schestowitz_log_city or house?Sep 28 20:43
_Goblinbut yes please do, we are looking at going in about 1 year.Sep 28 20:43
_GoblinNew city so to speak.....Sep 28 20:43
schestowitz_log_coolSep 28 20:43
_Goblinits a little bit further than BedfordshireSep 28 20:43
_Goblininfact its alot....Sep 28 20:43
schestowitz_log_if you come to manc you'll have free babysitters :-)Sep 28 20:43
_Goblin:)Sep 28 20:44
schestowitz_log_brbSep 28 20:44
_GoblinI'm taking early retirement from my job...Sep 28 20:44
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schestowitz_log_can you afford early retgirement at your age?Sep 28 21:05
schestowitz_log_Or is it just from this job?Sep 28 21:05
schestowitz_log_Also, speaking of which, a friend of mine who is 55 had his leaving do yesterdaySep 28 21:05
schestowitz_log_We were there in the pub with Clive, his wife is seriously illSep 28 21:05
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schestowitz_log_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3116969 "The zombie Harlan"Sep 28 21:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Nice one.  Via https://plus.google.com/u/0/111189215947987309841/posts/Y5qpXCk5nwnSep 28 21:35
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by willhill@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_56ea37573c486adaf9b1.gifSep 28 21:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> plus.google.com | Matthew Hicks - Google+ - #tgifriday    [ http://ur1.ca/fqw4l ]Sep 28 21:35
schestowitz_log_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113798Sep 28 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents http://techrights.org/2013/09/27/elop-trojan/ #elop #nokiaSep 28 21:36
schestowitz_log_"Btw. Hilf is going to HP now."Sep 28 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqw4v ]Sep 28 21:36
_Goblinschestowitz: Yes I can.Sep 28 21:41
_Goblin(afford early....Sep 28 21:41
_GoblinAlot has happened over the last few months.....Sep 28 21:42
_Goblinand I'm soon to be a published author...NOT self published I hasten to add.Sep 28 21:42
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_Goblinschestowitz, shame I didn't know about hilf a few weeks back, I could have held out for him to ruin the company for a Microsoft buyout then buy up a Chromebook from their redundant stock.Sep 28 21:48
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roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113576Sep 28 21:54
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Kwheezy 1.2 Review  http://www.navychristian.org/2013/09/kwheezy-12-review.htmlSep 28 21:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.navychristian.org | The Navy Christian: Kwheezy 1.2 Review  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwdg ]Sep 28 21:54
roy_"I already saw the screenshots of Kweezy 1.0.1 KDE at http://linuxscreenshot.netsons.org/kwheezy-1-0-1-kde/ a month ago, and I was already impressed. It looks very promising. It's also an "all-in package" like #PinguyOS. Perhaps I will install alongside. Thanks for the link to the 1.2 review."Sep 28 21:54
TechrightsBot-trlinuxscreenshot.netsons.org | Kwheezy 1.0.1 KDE | GNU/Linux Screenshot  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwdm ]Sep 28 21:54
roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113990Sep 28 21:55
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Aren't There Too Many Car Types and Brands? The Type of Question Apple/Microsoft Boosters Ask About GNU/Linux... http://techrights.org/2013/09/27/diversity-fud/Sep 28 21:55
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Aren’t There Too Many Car Types and Brands? The Type of Question Apple/Microsoft Boosters Ask About GNU/Linux… | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwds ]Sep 28 21:55
roy_"I do not agree with that! That's what I like about Linux. At least with Linux you have a choice. This can't be said about Crapsoft !!! And I won't even talk about that other OS: with that one you have no choice at all ! #Linux #freedom #pinguyos (Yes, I love Pinguy OS)."Sep 28 21:55
roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113993Sep 28 21:57
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Mir Adoption is InevitableSep 28 21:57
roy_"I do not agree with that! That's what I like about Linux. At least with Linux you have a choice. This can't be said about Crapsoft !!! And I won't even talk about that other OS: with that one you have no choice at all ! #Linux #freedom #pinguyos (Yes, I love Pinguy OS)."Sep 28 21:57
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Mir Adoption is Inevitable | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwf3 ]Sep 28 21:58
roy_On the other hand, given that Intel has jumped ship, it seems like Ubuntu is going to have a hard time keeping ahold of the market. Not to bash on Canonical, but their marketing and community relations are a real problem. There's no reason a private distro shouldn't be able to say "we're doing a lot of work in house, and we need fast adoption of changes, so we're rolling our own," but Canonical's messaging was all over the map, and as a Sep 28 21:58
roy_result they not only lost users, but developers and OEMs.Sep 28 21:58
roy_But as they say, the quality of the code is what matters-- maybe Mir will be so brilliantly written that adoption will be universal. But that's a fairly big if.Sep 28 21:58
roy_"Sep 28 21:58
_GoblinRoy I disagree that Windows doesn't give you choice....it comes in three different shades of sh%t....Vista, 7 or 8.Sep 28 21:58
_Goblinnow thats choice.Sep 28 21:58
roy_hehSep 28 21:59
roy_toilet bowl fragrancesSep 28 21:59
roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113584Sep 28 22:00
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Maxthon Web Browser Gets Linux Support http://linuxg.net/the-maxthon-web-browser-gets-linux-support/ it's the trend now. #gnu #linuxSep 28 22:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxg.net | The Maxthon Web Browser Gets Linux Support | LinuxG.net  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwfu ]Sep 28 22:00
roy_"Maxthon its shit,really. Cloud-like shit. One good - two engine(webkit and gecko)" "@Alex I used it for some time. It's just weird.'Sep 28 22:00
roy_"Or its now open sources?"Sep 28 22:00
_Goblinroy_, its more than a fragrance, its a physical manifestation of its metaphorical form.Sep 28 22:00
DaemonFCIt looks like I'll be stuck with this computer for several more years.Sep 28 22:02
DaemonFCReplacing it is just not in the budget.Sep 28 22:02
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DaemonFCI guess there's really no reason to replace it.Sep 28 22:03
DaemonFCFedora still runs as well on it as it ever has.Sep 28 22:03
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DaemonFCMost of the games on Steam are ports from tablets or are several years old.Sep 28 22:03
_GoblinYep....I can't see what the excitement is about.... The games that I like are ones I've already played for years.Sep 28 22:04
_Goblinits great its for Linux and all.....Sep 28 22:04
DaemonFCI do "surveys" while I'm in the middle of watching a movie or something.Sep 28 22:05
_Goblinbut really?  It's a little like me coming up to you and taking you out for a 5 star meal....that was prepared 5 years ago..... Bit of a double edged sword.Sep 28 22:05
DaemonFCIt's hilarious really. All I do is tick things at random and hit next, and they pay me.Sep 28 22:05
DaemonFCIt covers my internet bill.Sep 28 22:05
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 22:05
_Goblina little like the homer scene where he used a toy to do his job for him.Sep 28 22:05
DaemonFCyeah, he had that bird that just kept clicking YESSep 28 22:06
_Goblin"Press any key"....."Wheres the any key?"Sep 28 22:06
DaemonFCthe one that caused the nuclear meltdownSep 28 22:06
_Goblinonly because it fell over.Sep 28 22:06
_Goblinit was doing a good job up until thenSep 28 22:06
DaemonFCI don't see anything unethical about fucking over their data that they collect.Sep 28 22:06
DaemonFCIt's really only screwing over their marketing/advertising dataSep 28 22:07
DaemonFCI hate those people anyway.Sep 28 22:07
_GoblinCould be worse.....Sep 28 22:08
DaemonFCOn one survey I think I told them that I was a senior vice president for a major information technology company who was in charge of the employee retirement accounts.Sep 28 22:08
DaemonFCThey paid me $10 for that one.Sep 28 22:08
_GoblinEr...isn't there a law governing this sort of thing?Sep 28 22:09
DaemonFCI don't think so.Sep 28 22:09
_GoblinI mean creatively you are doing well.....legally, is that not fraud?Sep 28 22:09
DaemonFCMaybe.Sep 28 22:09
_Goblinin the UK it would be "Obtaining a pecuniary advantage" - Part of the Fraud act.Sep 28 22:10
DaemonFCIn the US, we had a woman who got her "degree" from a mail order diploma mill.Sep 28 22:10
DaemonFCThey even put her in charge of IT at the department of homeland security.Sep 28 22:10
DaemonFCShe was making $400,000 a year and had no idea what she was doing.Sep 28 22:11
DaemonFCManaged to float around various government positions for like 10 years before anyone figured it out.Sep 28 22:11
DaemonFCWhen they did, they put her on paid leave for a year and she eventually resigned.Sep 28 22:11
DaemonFCNo charges were ever filed.Sep 28 22:11
_GoblinI wouldn't know about US law...Sep 28 22:12
MinceRhttp://9gag.com/gag/aEwxR19Sep 28 22:12
TechrightsBot-tr9gag.com | 9GAG - Car pool laneSep 28 22:12
DaemonFCMinceR, Yes, the old "inflatable sex doll in the passenger seat" ruse.Sep 28 22:12
MinceRlook closer :>Sep 28 22:12
DaemonFChmmmSep 28 22:13
MinceRit's a more literal "pool" :>Sep 28 22:13
DaemonFCI guess I'd rather be on the other side of those K rails.Sep 28 22:13
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 22:13
MinceR:>Sep 28 22:13
DaemonFC_Goblin, But as MinceR and I can attest to....Sep 28 22:14
DaemonFCGovernments don't really care how much they waste.Sep 28 22:14
DaemonFCThey can always take more.Sep 28 22:14
DaemonFCI don't think there's anything left that the Indiana state government doesn't tax, except for some groceries and prescription medications.Sep 28 22:15
DaemonFCIt's kind of odd that they tax fast food.Sep 28 22:16
DaemonFCThere's a Subway restaurant in the Walmart.Sep 28 22:16
DaemonFCYou get a sandwich there, they tax it.Sep 28 22:16
DaemonFCYou go 20 feet over and grab a sub from the Walmart deli, and there's no tax.Sep 28 22:16
DaemonFCI don't see what the big difference is (for tax purposes) between fast food and food prepared in the deli of a supermarket.Sep 28 22:17
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_GoblinDaemonFC, the difference in their mind would be...more people buy fast food...more money...a little bit like the price wars, when something isn't as popular its cheap to hook you in...then when it is....hit everyone with increase.Sep 28 22:25
sebsebseb_Goblin: Stallman streamSep 28 22:25
sebsebsebcome watch itSep 28 22:25
sebsebseb30th annniverys live celebraitonSep 28 22:25
sebsebsebstream just came now, but back now :dSep 28 22:25
sebsebsebjustwent downSep 28 22:25
sebsebseb,but back nowSep 28 22:25
_Goblinah...I'll shift over there shortly.Sep 28 22:25
MinceRhttp://www.well.com/~bubbles/PD_MenuScreen.htmlSep 28 22:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.well.com | Putri-DOS Menu Screen  [ http://ur1.ca/fqws1 ]Sep 28 22:29
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ANOTHER SOURCE:
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MinceRhttp://www.bonneville-experiment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/CIMG1690.jpgSep 27 15:04
MinceRhttp://cheezburger.com/7813237248Sep 27 15:14
TechrightsBot-trcheezburger.com | You'll Be Able to See the Music Better - CheezburgerSep 27 15:14
XFaCEMinceR: the whole Nokia situation smells just like NortelSep 27 15:15
XFaCEabsolutely disgustingSep 27 15:15
MinceRmaybe people will learn, in timeSep 27 15:16
MinceRprobably notSep 27 15:16
iophkhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/technology/tech-giants-fear-spread-of-patent-wars-to-europe.htmlSep 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fqdgs ]Sep 27 15:40
iophkAgain, software patents are invalid in Europe despite what M$ Florian, tuxera and others try to convince people of.Sep 27 15:41
XFaCEschestowitz: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130926/09233624665/la-school-gives-ipads-to-students-students-hack-protection-scheme-less-than-week.shtmlSep 27 15:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.techdirt.com | LA School Gives iPads To Students; Students Hack Protection; School Freaks Out And Halts iPad Program | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/fqdm9 ]Sep 27 15:52
XFaCEMinceR: BwwwwwwwwahahahahahahaSep 27 15:52
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Sosumihttp://www.fastcompany.com/3018636/fast-feed/ios-7-is-reportedly-making-people-sickSep 27 16:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.fastcompany.com | IOS 7 Is Reportedly Making People Sick | Fast Company | Business + Innovation  [ http://ur1.ca/fqdsy ]Sep 27 16:04
SosumilulzSep 27 16:04
Sosumihttp://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/09/27/microsoft_wants_google_to_censor_its_wikipedia_pageSep 27 16:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Microsoft Wants Google to Censor Its Wikipedia Page  [ http://ur1.ca/fqdtr ]Sep 27 16:06
MinceRlulz indeedSep 27 16:07
MinceRhaving to use that crap would disgust me tooSep 27 16:10
SosumiI just hope that the new nexus phone happens to be goodSep 27 16:24
Sosumispecially when it comes to battery, because from what I heard, it's only 2300 mAhSep 27 16:27
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Sosuminot good, when the similar LG G2 comes with a 3000 mAh batterySep 27 16:28
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DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/26/ios-7-design-motion-sickness_n_3995898.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopularSep 28 01:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | iOS 7 Design Is Giving Some People Motion Sickness And Vertigo  [ http://ur1.ca/fqlgb ]Sep 28 01:22
DaemonFCiPukeSep 28 01:22
schestowitz_mobmoving to a laptopSep 28 01:26
schestowitz_mobmy PC's hard drive is a messSep 28 01:26
schestowitz_mobtoo many FS errors for weeks nowSep 28 01:27
schestowitz_moband new ones emergingSep 28 01:27
schestowitz_mobI am going to move to the latest kde on another machineSep 28 01:27
DaemonFChttp://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/09/google_street_view_invades_a_l.phpSep 28 01:30
TechrightsBot-trblogs.miaminewtimes.com | Google Street View Invades a Liberty City Woman's Right To Hold a Water Jug Naked On Front Porch  [ http://ur1.ca/fqlj6 ]Sep 28 01:30
DaemonFCLOLSep 28 01:30
DaemonFCThey still have it.Sep 28 01:31
DaemonFCThey just blurred out the entire naked woman.Sep 28 01:32
DaemonFCMinceR, Someone I know has liens on all his cars because of back child support.Sep 28 01:45
DaemonFCHe had one that was really old that he didn't need, and he wanted to sell it, but the state wouldn't release the title.Sep 28 01:45
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DaemonFCSo I called around to some scrap metal salvage companies, and found one that would pay him $400 to crush and recycle the car without asking for the title.Sep 28 01:46
oiaohmSo MinceR is around?Sep 28 01:50
DaemonFCUsuallySep 28 01:51
oiaohmDaemonFC: he is sometime in sometime outSep 28 01:51
DaemonFCIndiana has some fucked up laws.Sep 28 01:52
oiaohmMinceR: XDC2013 David Herrmann - DRM Security  video would be a very good watch. Sep 28 01:52
DaemonFCThey won't let you sell your vehicles to pay your child support.Sep 28 01:52
oiaohmMinceR: shows many of the reasons why I say X11 has to dieSep 28 01:52
DaemonFCIf you have a professional license, they will revoke it, so you lose your good paying job that could pay your child support.Sep 28 01:52
DaemonFCWhen they cause you to get so far behind that you can't pay it, they put you in prison.Sep 28 01:52
DaemonFCThe only thing that saved his bacon is that he has a good paying job that only required a high school diploma, which is rare.Sep 28 01:53
oiaohmDaemonFC: so they don't allow you todo the wage ganashed by boss with a professional license to keep it.Sep 28 01:53
DaemonFCSo there's nothing the state can really do to mess that up for him.Sep 28 01:53
DaemonFCAnd his son turned 18, so the new child support debt stopped and he's making progress with the back payments now.Sep 28 01:54
DaemonFCoiaohm, No. They just revoke your license.Sep 28 01:54
DaemonFCThen you're working at McDonalds or Walmart or something.Sep 28 01:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: Ok they sux balls over there.Sep 28 01:54
DaemonFCAnd you might have had a $30 an hour job they could garnish if they hadn't revoked your license.Sep 28 01:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: Australia if you don't agree to having your wage ganashed they take license.Sep 28 01:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: if you have not been paying.Sep 28 01:55
oiaohmSo minorally more fair.Sep 28 01:55
oiaohmProblem is they can ganahey wages to 10 dollars under unemployment rate.Sep 28 01:55
DaemonFCI knew a guy that owed so much child support that he started working off the books to get the state to stop garnishing him.Sep 28 01:56
DaemonFCI paid him to work on my car a few years ago.Sep 28 01:56
DaemonFCThe shop wanted like $400 to fix something, and he said he'd do it if I brought him the parts and paid him $100 for the work.Sep 28 01:56
DaemonFCSo it ended up costing me $150 instead.Sep 28 01:56
DaemonFCThat works. :)Sep 28 01:56
DaemonFCIt's always good to know someone that's a shade tree mechanic that works off the books for whatever reason.Sep 28 01:57
DaemonFCI had him replace my car's radiator too.Sep 28 01:58
DaemonFCShop wanted $500.Sep 28 01:58
DaemonFCI ended up paying like $300.Sep 28 01:58
DaemonFCCar repair will give you a serious financial buzz cut.Sep 28 01:58
DaemonFCI'm just trying to keep my piece of shit running cheaply for the next year or two while I save money to buy something newer.Sep 28 01:59
DaemonFCThose shops charge so much money that sometimes it's cheaper to buy a new car than to fix what you've got.Sep 28 01:59
DaemonFCI'm just glad that Indiana doesn't have smog checks or safety inspections.Sep 28 02:00
DaemonFCIf this was California, it probably wouldn't even be legal to operate the car I have.Sep 28 02:00
DaemonFCIt gave me a good scare last year. It started idling rough.Sep 28 02:01
DaemonFCI hooked up a code scanner and it said that the MAF sensor was bad.Sep 28 02:02
DaemonFCSo I took the MAF sensor off and sprayed it down with a cleaning solvent, and plugged it back in, cleared the code.Sep 28 02:02
DaemonFCIt hasn't come back.Sep 28 02:02
DaemonFCFord tries to stop you from cleaning it by securing it with a Torx screw with a blob of epoxy in the head.Sep 28 02:03
DaemonFCIt took me more than an hour to scrape out the epoxy before I could get the MAF sensor off.Sep 28 02:03
DaemonFCWhile I was messing around with that, I also cleaned out the throttle body and plate.Sep 28 02:03
DaemonFCThe starter motor and alternator went out. I managed to fix those with junkyard parts.Sep 28 02:04
DaemonFCThe guy said go out and pick whatever I needed.Sep 28 02:04
DaemonFCThe starter and alternator were only like $10 each that way.Sep 28 02:04
DaemonFCI called down to NAPA first and asked them to price out an alternator for me.Sep 28 02:05
DaemonFCThat's a $290 part all by itself.Sep 28 02:05
DaemonFCI managed to pick one from a 1993 Taurus that had been wrecked.Sep 28 02:06
DaemonFCEver since then when something breaks, I go find a junkyard part.Sep 28 02:06
DaemonFCI'm done putting lots of money into this thing. :PSep 28 02:06
DaemonFCIt just needs to run for another year or two and then I'll probably buy a 2006-2007 model Taurus to replace it with.Sep 28 02:07
DaemonFCoiaohm, I understand that Australia has a minimum wage of like $14 an hour.Sep 28 02:18
DaemonFCThey keep saying that if we did that here, it would "destroy jobs".Sep 28 02:18
DaemonFCI don't really think that would happen. Most of the jobs that would be affected are ones you really have to have someone physically present to do.Sep 28 02:19
DaemonFCA lot of people have been tricked into getting college degrees, and then they don't find any good jobs later.Sep 28 02:23
DaemonFCSomeone I know is so far deep into student debt that they're garnishing him down to minimum wage x 30 hours.Sep 28 02:23
DaemonFCI understand that it's not uncommon.Sep 28 02:23
DaemonFCI just wonder how people are managing to get by despite every nasty thing that's going on these days.Sep 28 02:23
DaemonFCAfter a while, there's just nothing left to cut.Sep 28 02:24
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DaemonFCZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 28 03:07
DaemonFCThe Catholic Church. Fun for the whole family.Sep 28 03:07
DaemonFCBring the kids!Sep 28 03:07
DaemonFCZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 28 03:08
DaemonFCThe Episcopal church:Sep 28 03:08
DaemonFCDon't worry kids. We're not Catholic.Sep 28 03:08
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DaemonFCThese people on Craigslist are nuts.Sep 28 04:49
DaemonFC$2,000 for a 1999 minivan with 180,000 miles.Sep 28 04:49
DaemonFCI would be unwilling to pay a lot more than crush value for something like that.Sep 28 04:50
oiaohmI guess no new engine.Sep 28 04:50
DaemonFCBecause it will last a few years and then it will get too expensive to justify maintaining, and it will have to be crushed.Sep 28 04:50
oiaohmminivan with 180.000 but with a new engine like 2 to 3 years back would still be worth that.Sep 28 04:51
DaemonFCWell, if I had no vehicle and someone said they had a van like that, I'd pay about $1,000-$1,200 for it.Sep 28 04:51
DaemonFCoriginal everything I supposeSep 28 04:51
DaemonFCthey usually point out any engine or transmission rebuildsSep 28 04:51
DaemonFCIf they have the documentation, that increases the value.Sep 28 04:51
oiaohmIt also reduces the cost of parts.Sep 28 04:51
oiaohmminivans are one of the few car type with close to standard engine mounts.Sep 28 04:52
DaemonFCIf they said they wanted $2000 and had documentation that the engine and transmission had been rebuilt, I'd pay $2,000 or more.Sep 28 04:52
oiaohmDaemonFC: I was talking engine replace with more modern version.Sep 28 04:52
DaemonFCYou have to watch out though. Engine rebuilds are only as reliable as the mechanic that did the work.Sep 28 04:52
oiaohmDaemonFC: the other I like for easy engine replacement is anything built on standard dune buggy chassie.Sep 28 04:53
oiaohmYes the old BW beatle chassie.Sep 28 04:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: rebuilds normally don't interest me that much.Sep 28 04:54
DaemonFCRebuilds are only worth if if the body of the vehicle is in good shape.Sep 28 04:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: problem with a rebuild the same age is the getting parts is still too hard on a 10 year old engine.Sep 28 04:55
DaemonFCIf you can do the rebuilds for a few thousand dollars and the vehicle will go another 10 years, you should do it.Sep 28 04:55
DaemonFCI wouldn't get into it with my car because the body is being eaten by rust.Sep 28 04:55
oiaohma few thousand dollars on the engine normally can get you a max of a 5 year old engine.Sep 28 04:56
DaemonFCI don't think it's a good thing to expect my car to be driveable for more than another few years.Sep 28 04:56
oiaohmLow milage here DaemonFCSep 28 04:56
DaemonFCI'm at the point where I'm doing minimal maintenance.Sep 28 04:56
DaemonFCIf it costs me $500-600 to keep it going another 3 years, then that's alright.Sep 28 04:56
DaemonFCI wouldn't want to get much deeper than that.Sep 28 04:57
DaemonFCI'm setting back about $500 a month that I'm not allowing myself to touch.Sep 28 04:57
DaemonFCWhen this car breaks down, I should be able to afford something much nicer.Sep 28 04:57
DaemonFCNo bank will give me a loan, so setting back money is the only thing I can do.Sep 28 04:58
DaemonFCI guess that's not such a bad thing.Sep 28 04:58
DaemonFCAt least 100% of the money is going to buy the car, instead of interest to a bank.Sep 28 04:58
DaemonFCYou get a loan from a bank for $10,000, you're looking as a few thousand dollars more just on the interest.Sep 28 04:59
DaemonFCI'd rather save myself that expense and just drive this rustbucket into the ground while I save up.Sep 28 04:59
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/microsoft-wants-google-to-censor-its-wikipedia-page-130927/Sep 28 05:00
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Microsoft Wants Google to Censor Its Wikipedia Page | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo3h ]Sep 28 05:00
DaemonFCI found a deal on a 1989 Buick that a former neighbor of mine wanted rid of.Sep 28 05:00
DaemonFCThe guy was 96 years old and he didn't have his license anymore.Sep 28 05:00
DaemonFCSo he sold the thing to me for $500 and I asked him not to fill out the title completely.Sep 28 05:01
DaemonFCI titled it over to my stepdad and he gave me the $500 back.Sep 28 05:01
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DaemonFCIt wasn't running too well at first because it had just been sitting, so I changed the oil, flushed the radiator and transmission, replaced the spark plugs, and swapped out the fuel filter.Sep 28 05:02
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DaemonFCIt runs fine now.Sep 28 05:02
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DaemonFCThe seatbelt and driver door latch were both broken, so I went to the local junkyard and picked a seatbelt and a door latch for like $30.Sep 28 05:04
DaemonFCI'm not opposed to driving an old car, it's the mileage that really concerns me.Sep 28 05:05
iophkIt's been a few weeks since Dotcom: http://torrentfreak.com/kim-dotcom-offers-to-bankroll-kiwi-americas-cup-team-130927/Sep 28 05:05
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Kim Dotcom Offers to Bankroll Kiwi Americas Cup Team | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo5f ]Sep 28 05:05
DaemonFCThat and the condition of the body.Sep 28 05:05
DaemonFCIf you can pick a car that has been garaged and seldom driven for under $1,000 and make some minor repairs, you got a good deal.Sep 28 05:05
DaemonFCThe problem is that everyone knows that, so it's a race to get over there with the cash.Sep 28 05:06
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4052596408.htmlSep 28 05:09
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 2002 Buick Le Sabre custom  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo7n ]Sep 28 05:09
DaemonFCNice car. Mileage must be high because they didn't list it.Sep 28 05:10
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4094223636.htmlSep 28 05:14
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1999 olds intrigue  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo9e ]Sep 28 05:14
DaemonFCThat could be a good deal.Sep 28 05:14
DaemonFCI'm interested in cars with 100-115,000 miles on them.Sep 28 05:14
DaemonFCAny higher than that and you know they probably won't last a long time.Sep 28 05:15
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4082105817.htmlSep 28 05:16
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 92' Chevy Lumina  [ http://ur1.ca/fp8mz ]Sep 28 05:16
DaemonFCI drove one of these around for a while.Sep 28 05:16
DaemonFCMy dad sold it to me for $500.Sep 28 05:16
DaemonFCHe had it since it was new. It had 215,000 miles on it when I got it. I got it up to a little over 290 before it had major engine trouble.Sep 28 05:17
DaemonFCI used it for a long commute.Sep 28 05:17
DaemonFCMy favorite car that I've ever owned was a 1995 Chevrolet Corsica.Sep 28 05:24
DaemonFCIt had the 3.1 liter V6.Sep 28 05:24
DaemonFCThey don't look like much, but with that engine in them, they really get up and go.Sep 28 05:24
DaemonFCYou know the V6 was a better engine than the inline 4 because you don't see many around anymore that had the inline 4.Sep 28 05:25
DaemonFC4 cylinder engine that's not made by Honda or Toyota = disposable car.Sep 28 05:26
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2003-Pontiac-Aztek-4dr_All_Purpose_FWD-Columbia_City-IN/2073750613Sep 28 05:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2003 Pontiac Aztek for sale in Columbia City - 3G7DA03E33S543845 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/fqodr ]Sep 28 05:27
DaemonFCI'd call and ask about this, but pretty much all their trade ins have major problems.Sep 28 05:27
DaemonFCPeople trade them in when they know they couldn't sell them as-is.Sep 28 05:27
DaemonFCI thought the Aztek was one ugly vehicle.Sep 28 05:28
DaemonFCStill do.Sep 28 05:28
DaemonFCBut the fact that Walter White drove one makes them cool now.Sep 28 05:28
DaemonFCIf Pontiac was still around and making these, I'm sure that Breaking Bad would have had the sales going way up.Sep 28 05:29
DaemonFCIf it's good enough for Walter White, it's good enough for me.Sep 28 05:32
DaemonFCOf course, I'd have to go find a hat like his too.Sep 28 05:32
DaemonFCB-)Sep 28 05:33
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/oracles-reshape-deal-microsoft-just-certification-deal-221412old - Sep 28 05:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | The Industry Standard | The Industry Standard Channel - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fqona ]Sep 28 05:46
iophkold - http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/oracles-reshape-deal-microsoft-just-certification-deal-221412Sep 28 05:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Oracle's 'reshape' deal with Microsoft just a certification deal | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fqone ]Sep 28 05:46
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/elop-25-million-dollar-golden-handshake-for-destroying-the-company-how-could-this-happen-analysis-an.htmlSep 28 05:51
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Elop 25 Million Dollar Golden Handshake for Destroying the Company - How Could This Happen at Nokia (analysis and speculation) - Tomi plays detective again  [ http://ur1.ca/fqoq7 ]Sep 28 05:51
oiaohmiophk: ceo contracts are really evil.Sep 28 05:52
iophkYeah.Sep 28 05:52
iophkThere is also the stupidity of tying reward to stock price.Sep 28 05:52
iophkShare price has little to do with reality.Sep 28 05:52
iophkI'm not sure if it ever did.Sep 28 05:52
iophkIn principle, share holders are part owners in the company but they never act like that any more, if they ever did.Sep 28 05:53
oiaohmthey sometimes tdo.Sep 28 05:53
oiaohmbut it rare that share holders team up to the magical 51 percent.Sep 28 05:54
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oiaohmProblem is even if they do the employment contracts of CEO normally insist they get payed out even if they are fired.Sep 28 05:54
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iophkIn a few cases it is worth to pay just to make them go away , but they are rarely replaced by better ones.Sep 28 05:55
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oiaohmiophk: really what is the point in performing if you will get the same money either way.Sep 28 05:56
iophkThe evaluations are never tied to true performance indicators, usually only to stock price.Sep 28 05:56
DaemonFCiophk, Yeah. We see that going on with Walmart.Sep 28 06:06
DaemonFCThey have tons of structural problems and their stock isn't reflecting it.Sep 28 06:06
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DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/4095604887.htmlSep 28 06:18
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | SuSE LINUX 8.1 NEVER USED  [ http://ur1.ca/fqp31 ]Sep 28 06:18
DaemonFCWho would buy that?Sep 28 06:19
MinceRi wouldn'tSep 28 06:19
oiaohmDaemonFC:  a patent laywer would buy that item.Sep 28 06:40
oiaohmDaemonFC: unsed historic marker of existance of something.Sep 28 06:40
oiaohmDaemonFC: basically perfect legal evidence.Sep 28 06:40
MinceR:)Sep 28 06:41
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes a open version of that box would be worthless.Sep 28 06:45
iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2050440/free-unix-the-worldchanging-proclamation-made-30-years-ago-today.htmlSep 28 06:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fqpgg ]Sep 28 06:47
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oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3MTY  Highly interestingSep 28 08:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics Project  [ http://ur1.ca/fqqja ]Sep 28 08:20
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DaemonFCI just got back from the supermarket. I bought way too much lunch meat last month because I had coupons.Sep 28 08:50
DaemonFCEnded up freezing most of it.Sep 28 08:50
DaemonFCSo I got a bunch of stuff to make subs with.Sep 28 08:50
DaemonFCAnd that's what I'll be eating for the next week.Sep 28 08:51
DaemonFCMy grocery budget is basically the last item with anything left to cut.Sep 28 08:51
DaemonFCI take a bunch of surveys under a false name to get those $50 prepaid visa cards.Sep 28 08:53
DaemonFCI've gone through enough of them to knock out the internet bill for the next couple of months.Sep 28 08:54
DaemonFCMy goal is to have at least $4,000 in the car fund by January.Sep 28 08:54
DaemonFCStill pisses me off what's going on with the used car market.Sep 28 08:54
DaemonFC$4,000 worth of car is like $2,000 worth of car was in 2005.Sep 28 08:54
DaemonFCThis is just ridiculous.Sep 28 08:54
DaemonFCMaybe I should just keep saving and scrimping and suffering for a few years and buy a brand new car with cash.Sep 28 08:55
DaemonFCI'm sure that guy at the Ford dealership would shit himself if I walked in and bought a new Ford Focus with $15,000 in $20s.Sep 28 08:55
DaemonFCIt would be satisfying to buy a new car with cash.Sep 28 08:56
DaemonFCThey like to get you financed because it's where they make most of their money.Sep 28 08:56
DaemonFCThe price of the car really isn't making them a lot of profit, it's when they finance you at like 9 or 10% APR.Sep 28 08:56
DaemonFCIf you finance a $15,000 car for five years of payments at 10%, you're going to pay about $19,100 by the time the payments end.Sep 28 08:58
DaemonFCIf you saved up the monthly payment and paid in full, you'd be saving for just slightly under 4 years.Sep 28 08:59
DaemonFCI wonder what will be left of my poor Taurus in four years.Sep 28 08:59
DaemonFC*sputter sputter sputter backfire car dies*Sep 28 09:00
DaemonFCDo you take trade-ins? :)Sep 28 09:00
DaemonFCBe very careful what you buy, you might just end up driving it until it's 25 years old.Sep 28 09:01
iophkhttp://unlimitedcorruption.com/Sep 28 09:13
TechrightsBot-trunlimitedcorruption.com | McCutcheon - Unlimited Bribery. Unlimited Corruption.Sep 28 09:13
MinceRgreat, now all i need is more money than what the megacorporations can spend on briberySep 28 09:16
iophkA bidding war in which the target collects all the money bid, not just from the winning bid.Sep 28 09:16
MinceRindeedSep 28 09:17
iophkIt would have been funny if it were not so near the truth.Sep 28 09:17
MinceRindeedSep 28 09:17
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oiaohmiophk: the scary part is done right it would be all legal and highly profitable to the middle man.Sep 28 09:24
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iophkhttp://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/Sep 28 09:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.opensecrets.org | Political Action Committees | OpenSecretsSep 28 09:33
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DaemonFCMinceR, I had my mom and Dave laughing their asses off the other day.Sep 28 09:55
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DaemonFCAn AT&T telemarketer called wanting to know if they'd like to switch to AT&T "and save money".Sep 28 09:56
Xan_Sounds legit, Daemon.Sep 28 09:56
Xan_Hi all.Sep 28 09:56
MinceR:)Sep 28 09:56
DaemonFCSo I said "No. We hate money. We can't stand having money. In fact, I've got a whole pile of money just sitting here and I'm going to take it out back and pour gasoline all over it and burn it if you don't take it all right this minute!"Sep 28 09:56
Xan_D:Sep 28 09:57
DaemonFCSo then he was like "Well, I'm just trying to save you some money...".Sep 28 09:58
DaemonFCSo I said "I don't like saving money. I want you to have all of it. In fact, I'm going to write you out a blank check and sign it and you just fill in however much you want to take."Sep 28 09:59
Xan_Did he understand the sarcasm?Sep 28 09:59
DaemonFCYeah.Sep 28 09:59
DaemonFCHe told me to have a nice day and hung up on me.Sep 28 09:59
Xan_XD Wow.Sep 28 09:59
Xan_I had a question for ya'll. Does anyone here write the articles on, or is critical of, the International Standards Organization?Sep 28 10:00
iophkRoy wrote about them a while back during the OOXML scandals. Sep 28 10:00
iophkMy take was that part of the scandal process from M$ was intended to weaken ISOSep 28 10:01
Xan_See, I'm critical of ISO because of a political monopoly they hold. I wasn't aware they held a technological monopoly as well.Sep 28 10:01
Xan_So I found this website and was quite curious.Sep 28 10:01
iophkDiscredit ISO and thus its standards.  then by projection all standards.Sep 28 10:01
Xan_Did you know that if you're not a member of the United Nations then ISO won't grant you a 3166-1 code? And without a 3166-1 code your country can't send/receive mail, make/receive telephone calls, obtain a TLD, etc.Sep 28 10:02
Xan_It's rediculous.Sep 28 10:02
Xan_If ISO don't like you they could theoretically remove your country's ISO-3166-1 code and turn you into a black hole.Sep 28 10:03
iophkCan you give an example of a country left out of ISO-3166?Sep 28 10:03
DaemonFCFedora only recently got around to removing support for some currency symbols that had been deprecated by the Euro.Sep 28 10:04
Xan_In practice it doesn't happen, because most nations are UN member states. But I work with Native American and other indigenous groups who fight for independence, and as non-UN member states they can't get any ISO codes. One of the dire consequences of this is they aren't allowed to import medicine.Sep 28 10:04
DaemonFCSome of them had been removed upstream years ago, but Fedora was applying a patch to add them back.Sep 28 10:04
DaemonFCHungary keeps saying it will switch to the Euro, but it doesn't meet the requirements to officially adopt it.Sep 28 10:05
DaemonFCThere's nothing stopping them from making it their legal currency unofficially.Sep 28 10:05
DaemonFCSeveral countries use the Euro or US Dollar unofficially.Sep 28 10:06
Xan_I dislike the Euro, if only because I think it is taking away culture. I miss the old things like the drachma.Sep 28 10:06
DaemonFCIn fact, it helps the US economy when a country adopts the USD as their legal currency.Sep 28 10:06
iophkThe ISO 3166 web page only mentions "country names in ISO 3166 come from United Nations sources"Sep 28 10:06
Xan_Though ideally I'd prefer a full reserve currency.Sep 28 10:06
DaemonFCIt creates more demand for US dollars.Sep 28 10:06
Xan_Iophk, one moment let me get you a good example.Sep 28 10:06
DaemonFCSo we couldn't stop them, but why would we?Sep 28 10:06
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 10:06
MinceRi don't think the hungarian government has any intention whatsoever to switch to the euroSep 28 10:08
MinceRit would infringe on their precious freedom to run our economy into the ground.Sep 28 10:08
Xan_Here's a good example, @iophk. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1591Sep 28 10:08
TechrightsBot-trtools.ietf.org | RFC 1591 - Domain Name System Structure and DelegationSep 28 10:08
iophkMinceR: don't shops make a lot of money gouging on the informal exchange rate?Sep 28 10:08
MinceRit seems that orban is trying to get hungary kicked out of the euSep 28 10:08
Xan_IANA will only grant your country a TLD if you have an ISO-3166-1 code.Sep 28 10:08
MinceRiophk: i suppose they doSep 28 10:08
iophkIn practice they'd have to lower their prices if the switch were officialSep 28 10:09
MinceRthat's fun, they're handing TLDs out left and right nowSep 28 10:09
MinceRbut not to non-UN member states?Sep 28 10:09
MinceRor did they cancel their plan to pollute the TLD space already?Sep 28 10:09
Xan_If you're not a UN member state, which isn't very common but basically makes up all indigenous groups in the world. You can't do anything.Sep 28 10:09
DaemonFCMinceR> it would infringe on their precious freedom to run our economy into the ground.Sep 28 10:09
iophkI suppose it would be possible to flat out buy a TLDSep 28 10:09
DaemonFCMinceR, LOLSep 28 10:09
iophkoutside of 3166Sep 28 10:10
DaemonFCSet the printing press to maximum! Engage!Sep 28 10:10
MinceR:>Sep 28 10:10
Xan_That's true, iophk. But look at phone calls. If someone wants to call the USA they dial +1, right? Well that +1 is granted by ISO. If the USA were no longer a UN member state nobody would be able to call the USA internationally because the +1 would be revoked.Sep 28 10:10
DaemonFCMinceR, The only country that has gotten away with massive currency manipulation without serious consequences (so far) is the United States, as far as I know.Sep 28 10:11
Xan_Because, guess what, the International Telecommunication Union that grants codes is standardized by ISO and run by the UN.Sep 28 10:11
DaemonFCThere's a lot of people willing to accept them despite all the funny business, so it stays strong, for now.Sep 28 10:11
DaemonFCIf anyone sells oil that's not priced in USD, there will be, errm, consequences.Sep 28 10:12
DaemonFCSo that helps.Sep 28 10:12
DaemonFCGas prices have been on a really wild ride over the past few years.Sep 28 10:13
DaemonFCIt's been as low as $1.76 a gallon and as much as $4.26 a gallon between 2008-present.Sep 28 10:13
Xan_Go to Venezuela, it's literally 1.5 cents a gallon.Sep 28 10:14
DaemonFCIt would have been nice to have a place to store like 500 gallons of it back when it was $1.76.Sep 28 10:14
DaemonFCMy car does not get spectacular gas mileage.Sep 28 10:15
DaemonFCThe only reason I'm getting away with it right now is because it doesn't get driven out of town all that often.Sep 28 10:15
DaemonFCI've thought about replacing it with a Honda when my finances improve.Sep 28 10:16
Xan_How about a nice prius? :DSep 28 10:16
DaemonFCWhen I'm done with that Taurus, it'll be ready to crush.Sep 28 10:17
DaemonFCIf it hasn't disintegrated from rust already.Sep 28 10:17
iophkhttp://www.csmonitor.com/World/2012/0229/World-s-cheapest-gas-Top-10-countries/Venezuela-0.18-per-gallon-0.05-per-literSep 28 10:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.csmonitor.com | World's cheapest gas: Top 10 countries - Venezuela- $0.18 per gallon ($0.05 per liter) - CSMonitor.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fqryv ]Sep 28 10:17
DaemonFCXan_, A Prius? No.Sep 28 10:17
Xan_You have a Ford Taurus?Sep 28 10:17
DaemonFCThose are absurdly expensive.Sep 28 10:17
DaemonFCEven if I could come up with that much money, there'd be no point.Sep 28 10:18
DaemonFCIt would eat up all my gas savings in the price of the car.Sep 28 10:18
DaemonFCYes.Sep 28 10:18
Xan_Civilian model or Police Interceptor?Sep 28 10:18
DaemonFCA 1995 Ford Taurus SHO.Sep 28 10:18
Xan_Ohh, okay. The new Interceptor model is awesome.Sep 28 10:18
DaemonFCThe cops here don't drive a Taurus anymore.Sep 28 10:18
DaemonFCThey auctioned them all off and bought Dodge Chargers.Sep 28 10:19
Xan_I'm never giving up my Crown Vic. I've tried the Charger and it's nice, but... Don't like the design.Sep 28 10:19
DaemonFCI was looking at buying an '04 Vic a few weeks ago.Sep 28 10:19
Xan_I drive an '03. It's better milage than you'd expect.Sep 28 10:19
DaemonFCWhat stopped me was that the last owner beat the living shit out of it and it had a lot of problems.Sep 28 10:19
DaemonFCSo, I found out why they only wanted $2,700 for it.Sep 28 10:20
Xan_Ah, yeah. Could always get the money together for an '08 and use E85 ethonel to save money.Sep 28 10:20
DaemonFCE85 doesn't save money.Sep 28 10:20
Xan_No?Sep 28 10:20
DaemonFCIt has less energy potential per gallon than gasoline.Sep 28 10:20
DaemonFCIf it reduces your fuel mileage by 27%, you're not saving money.Sep 28 10:21
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 10:21
Xan_Ah >:Sep 28 10:21
DaemonFCI have used E85 in the Taurus though.Sep 28 10:21
Xan_My friend has an electric car so, free fuel.Sep 28 10:21
Xan_:PSep 28 10:21
DaemonFCNot 100% E85.Sep 28 10:21
DaemonFCThe SHO engine runs like shit on 87 octane.Sep 28 10:22
DaemonFCYou're supposed to use 89 or 92.Sep 28 10:22
Xan_Use 97/98 octane!Sep 28 10:22
DaemonFCSo I just use 87 and put a bit of E85 in it.Sep 28 10:22
DaemonFCit brings the octane rating up without adding a fortune.Sep 28 10:22
DaemonFCIt's not a flex fuel vehicle, but I seem to be getting away with using a little bit.Sep 28 10:23
Xan_Solar cars in the USA are too expensive unfortunately.Sep 28 10:23
Xan_Otherwise you're driving for free.Sep 28 10:23
DaemonFCIt also prevents the fuel line from freezing in the winter.Sep 28 10:23
DaemonFCSeveral years ago, it got so cold here that I couldn't get my car to start.Sep 28 10:23
Xan_>:Sep 28 10:24
DaemonFCSo I've been using a higher amount of E85 in the winter and it hasn't happened again.Sep 28 10:24
DaemonFCIt's just not possible to get good gas mileage without giving something else up.Sep 28 10:25
DaemonFCIf you want to drive around in a little bitty clown car then you can get 40 mpg.Sep 28 10:25
DaemonFCThat's why the Geo Metro is popular again.Sep 28 10:25
Xan_Fsh.Sep 28 10:25
DaemonFCThey haven't made them in more than 20 years, so people will buy ones that don't work for parts to keep theirs running.Sep 28 10:25
Xan_The old cars don't get as good MPG than new cars. You can get 50mpg in a brand new BMW 5 series, and that's a full-sized sedan.Sep 28 10:26
DaemonFCThe reason there are still so many gas guzzlers in the United States is because a lot of people (like me) just can't afford anything newer.Sep 28 10:26
DaemonFCBy the time I can afford a car, it's more than 10 years old.Sep 28 10:27
Xan_>: Aw.Sep 28 10:27
Xan_I'm poor, too!Sep 28 10:27
Xan_*Hugs*Sep 28 10:27
DaemonFCIn 1995 nobody cared about gas mileage because gas was less than a dollar per gallon.Sep 28 10:27
DaemonFCWell, I'll be getting a newer old car here in a while.Sep 28 10:28
DaemonFCI could probably afford a 2005-2006 Taurus by April or May.Sep 28 10:29
iophkhttp://www.gnu.org/help/Sep 28 10:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | Helping the GNU Project and the Free Software Movement - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationSep 28 10:29
DaemonFCI had a guy offer to sell me a 1999 Ford Explorer a while back.Sep 28 10:29
DaemonFCNobody wants those anymore because they get 19 mpg on the highway.Sep 28 10:30
Xan_Yeah, they're not too good.Sep 28 10:30
DaemonFCThe engine isn't that great either.Sep 28 10:31
DaemonFCYou'd think that the way it guzzles gas, it would be rated at something higher than 160 horsepower.Sep 28 10:31
Xan_That's not that good.Sep 28 10:32
DaemonFCI drove that 2004 Crown Victoria about 30 miles to take it to a mechanic I trusted.Sep 28 10:35
DaemonFCI left with a little under a quarter of a tank, and it was near E by the time I got here.Sep 28 10:35
DaemonFC:PSep 28 10:35
Xan_O_o; Hrm. That's not very good.Sep 28 10:35
DaemonFCThat was another reason I didn't buy it.Sep 28 10:36
DaemonFCIt would need over $1,000 worth of work that I know of.Sep 28 10:36
DaemonFCand it guzzles gas like there's no tomorrow.Sep 28 10:36
DaemonFCI'd be filling up the tank so often that I wouldn't be able to afford to drive it.Sep 28 10:36
Xan_>: Dang.Sep 28 10:37
MinceRyou could try old foreign cars, from places where gas wasn't so cheap 10 years ago :>Sep 28 10:39
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schestowitziophk: hiSep 28 10:51
schestowitzI need your helpSep 28 10:51
schestowitzWhat command did you say gets the list of installed packages and what command apt-gets all those packages on another PC? I am migrating to a laptop EVERYTHING.Sep 28 10:52
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/09/parallax-and-the-ios-7-wallpaper/Sep 28 11:58
iophkDoom used to make some people queasy, too.Sep 28 11:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Parallax and the iOS 7 Wallpaper - Wired Science  [ http://ur1.ca/fqt97 ]Sep 28 11:58
schestowitzhttp://iwtf.net/2010/01/05/list-backup-or-restore-installed-packages-on-debian-and-ubuntu/Sep 28 11:59
TechrightsBot-triwtf.net | List, backup or Restore installed packages on Debian and Ubuntu    InterWeb Task Force  [ http://ur1.ca/fqt9j ]Sep 28 11:59
MinceRdoom was a lot better than hypeOS will ever beSep 28 12:01
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DaemonFCMinceR, The DOOM pre-releases referred to it as the Doom Operating SystemSep 28 14:51
MinceRi think that was the old DOS extender they usedSep 28 14:51
DaemonFCThe joke being that they had to do so much because DOS wasn't really that useful by itself.Sep 28 14:51
MinceRwhich they replaced with DOS/4GW later, iircSep 28 14:52
DaemonFCYeah. I remember I always deleted the copy of Windows that came with a PC I owned because it was taking up valuable disk space.Sep 28 14:54
MinceR:)Sep 28 14:54
DaemonFCThe DOS versions of each program just tended to be alot better.Sep 28 14:54
iophkhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/09/27/bill-gates-it-would-be-great-if-our-education-stuff-worked-but/Sep 28 15:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Bill Gates: It would be great if our education stuff worked but  [ http://ur1.ca/fqv77 ]Sep 28 15:00
DaemonFCAt least we got rid of one of his shills in the election last year.Sep 28 15:01
DaemonFCIndiana's superintendent of public instruction.Sep 28 15:01
MinceRDaemonFC: http://www.bonneville-experiment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/CIMG1690.jpgSep 28 15:02
DaemonFCKia finally designed a vehicle that's even less comfortable to ride in?Sep 28 15:04
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 15:04
MinceR:DSep 28 15:04
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schestowitz_log_migration to laptop sort of completeSep 28 15:36
schestowitz_log_and no major accidents so farSep 28 15:37
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_Goblinschestowitz, the benefits of the cloud...my chromebook, synced with all data/bookmarks in about 5 seconds once it was out of the box.Sep 28 15:39
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384039789198319616Sep 28 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Finally completing a belated migration to a new computer, after a third massive hardware failure in a month. Will be productive again soon.Sep 28 15:40
schestowitz_log__Goblin: that's not the issueSep 28 15:40
schestowitz_log_The data can be rsynced overSep 28 15:40
_GoblinAh..I just saw, hardware failureSep 28 15:40
schestowitz_log_the issues are different hereSep 28 15:40
schestowitz_log_yes, also on the SANSep 28 15:41
schestowitz_log_And my music player is bricked after I turned it into a live usbSep 28 15:41
_Goblinah :(Sep 28 15:41
schestowitz_log_I don't know how to format it now for the firmware to be happy with itSep 28 15:41
schestowitz_log_BTW, will you be up in manc any time soon?Sep 28 15:42
_Goblinive a usb adaptor for Microsd cards which I now use solely...Sep 28 15:42
_Gobliner...not in the immediate...Sep 28 15:42
_Goblinwas up in Durham a few weeks ago....Sep 28 15:42
_Goblinbut there's a little news here....Sep 28 15:42
schestowitz_log_maybe we'll come back to luton for a short visit this yearSep 28 15:42
_Goblinmay be moving.....Sep 28 15:43
schestowitz_log_city or house?Sep 28 15:43
_Goblinbut yes please do, we are looking at going in about 1 year.Sep 28 15:43
_GoblinNew city so to speak.....Sep 28 15:43
schestowitz_log_coolSep 28 15:43
_Goblinits a little bit further than BedfordshireSep 28 15:43
_Goblininfact its alot....Sep 28 15:43
schestowitz_log_if you come to manc you'll have free babysitters :-)Sep 28 15:43
_Goblin:)Sep 28 15:44
schestowitz_log_brbSep 28 15:44
_GoblinI'm taking early retirement from my job...Sep 28 15:44
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schestowitz_log_can you afford early retgirement at your age?Sep 28 16:05
schestowitz_log_Or is it just from this job?Sep 28 16:05
schestowitz_log_Also, speaking of which, a friend of mine who is 55 had his leaving do yesterdaySep 28 16:05
schestowitz_log_We were there in the pub with Clive, his wife is seriously illSep 28 16:05
*schestowitz_log_ configures the laptopSep 28 16:06
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schestowitz_log_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3116969 "The zombie Harlan"Sep 28 16:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Nice one.  Via https://plus.google.com/u/0/111189215947987309841/posts/Y5qpXCk5nwnSep 28 16:35
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schestowitz_log_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113798Sep 28 16:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents http://techrights.org/2013/09/27/elop-trojan/ #elop #nokiaSep 28 16:36
schestowitz_log_"Btw. Hilf is going to HP now."Sep 28 16:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqw4v ]Sep 28 16:36
_Goblinschestowitz: Yes I can.Sep 28 16:41
_Goblin(afford early....Sep 28 16:41
_GoblinAlot has happened over the last few months.....Sep 28 16:42
_Goblinand I'm soon to be a published author...NOT self published I hasten to add.Sep 28 16:42
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_Goblinschestowitz, shame I didn't know about hilf a few weeks back, I could have held out for him to ruin the company for a Microsoft buyout then buy up a Chromebook from their redundant stock.Sep 28 16:48
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roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113576Sep 28 16:54
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Kwheezy 1.2 Review  http://www.navychristian.org/2013/09/kwheezy-12-review.htmlSep 28 16:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.navychristian.org | The Navy Christian: Kwheezy 1.2 Review  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwdg ]Sep 28 16:54
roy_"I already saw the screenshots of Kweezy 1.0.1 KDE at http://linuxscreenshot.netsons.org/kwheezy-1-0-1-kde/ a month ago, and I was already impressed. It looks very promising. It's also an "all-in package" like #PinguyOS. Perhaps I will install alongside. Thanks for the link to the 1.2 review."Sep 28 16:54
TechrightsBot-trlinuxscreenshot.netsons.org | Kwheezy 1.0.1 KDE | GNU/Linux Screenshot  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwdm ]Sep 28 16:54
roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113990Sep 28 16:55
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Aren't There Too Many Car Types and Brands? The Type of Question Apple/Microsoft Boosters Ask About GNU/Linux... http://techrights.org/2013/09/27/diversity-fud/Sep 28 16:55
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Arent There Too Many Car Types and Brands? The Type of Question Apple/Microsoft Boosters Ask About GNU/Linux | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwds ]Sep 28 16:55
roy_"I do not agree with that! That's what I like about Linux. At least with Linux you have a choice. This can't be said about Crapsoft !!! And I won't even talk about that other OS: with that one you have no choice at all ! #Linux #freedom #pinguyos (Yes, I love Pinguy OS)."Sep 28 16:55
roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113993Sep 28 16:57
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Mir Adoption is InevitableSep 28 16:57
roy_"I do not agree with that! That's what I like about Linux. At least with Linux you have a choice. This can't be said about Crapsoft !!! And I won't even talk about that other OS: with that one you have no choice at all ! #Linux #freedom #pinguyos (Yes, I love Pinguy OS)."Sep 28 16:57
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Mir Adoption is Inevitable | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwf3 ]Sep 28 16:57
roy_On the other hand, given that Intel has jumped ship, it seems like Ubuntu is going to have a hard time keeping ahold of the market. Not to bash on Canonical, but their marketing and community relations are a real problem. There's no reason a private distro shouldn't be able to say "we're doing a lot of work in house, and we need fast adoption of changes, so we're rolling our own," but Canonical's messaging was all over the map, and as a Sep 28 16:58
roy_result they not only lost users, but developers and OEMs.Sep 28 16:58
roy_But as they say, the quality of the code is what matters-- maybe Mir will be so brilliantly written that adoption will be universal. But that's a fairly big if.Sep 28 16:58
roy_"Sep 28 16:58
_GoblinRoy I disagree that Windows doesn't give you choice....it comes in three different shades of sh%t....Vista, 7 or 8.Sep 28 16:58
_Goblinnow thats choice.Sep 28 16:58
roy_hehSep 28 16:59
roy_toilet bowl fragrancesSep 28 16:59
roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113584Sep 28 17:00
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Maxthon Web Browser Gets Linux Support http://linuxg.net/the-maxthon-web-browser-gets-linux-support/ it's the trend now. #gnu #linuxSep 28 17:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxg.net | The Maxthon Web Browser Gets Linux Support | LinuxG.net  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwfu ]Sep 28 17:00
roy_"Maxthon its shit,really. Cloud-like shit. One good - two engine(webkit and gecko)" "@Alex I used it for some time. It's just weird.'Sep 28 17:00
roy_"Or its now open sources?"Sep 28 17:00
_Goblinroy_, its more than a fragrance, its a physical manifestation of its metaphorical form.Sep 28 17:00
DaemonFCIt looks like I'll be stuck with this computer for several more years.Sep 28 17:02
DaemonFCReplacing it is just not in the budget.Sep 28 17:02
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DaemonFCI guess there's really no reason to replace it.Sep 28 17:03
DaemonFCFedora still runs as well on it as it ever has.Sep 28 17:03
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DaemonFCMost of the games on Steam are ports from tablets or are several years old.Sep 28 17:03
_GoblinYep....I can't see what the excitement is about.... The games that I like are ones I've already played for years.Sep 28 17:04
_Goblinits great its for Linux and all.....Sep 28 17:04
DaemonFCI do "surveys" while I'm in the middle of watching a movie or something.Sep 28 17:05
_Goblinbut really?  It's a little like me coming up to you and taking you out for a 5 star meal....that was prepared 5 years ago..... Bit of a double edged sword.Sep 28 17:05
DaemonFCIt's hilarious really. All I do is tick things at random and hit next, and they pay me.Sep 28 17:05
DaemonFCIt covers my internet bill.Sep 28 17:05
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 17:05
_Goblina little like the homer scene where he used a toy to do his job for him.Sep 28 17:05
DaemonFCyeah, he had that bird that just kept clicking YESSep 28 17:06
_Goblin"Press any key"....."Wheres the any key?"Sep 28 17:06
DaemonFCthe one that caused the nuclear meltdownSep 28 17:06
_Goblinonly because it fell over.Sep 28 17:06
_Goblinit was doing a good job up until thenSep 28 17:06
DaemonFCI don't see anything unethical about fucking over their data that they collect.Sep 28 17:06
DaemonFCIt's really only screwing over their marketing/advertising dataSep 28 17:07
DaemonFCI hate those people anyway.Sep 28 17:07
_GoblinCould be worse.....Sep 28 17:08
DaemonFCOn one survey I think I told them that I was a senior vice president for a major information technology company who was in charge of the employee retirement accounts.Sep 28 17:08
DaemonFCThey paid me $10 for that one.Sep 28 17:08
_GoblinEr...isn't there a law governing this sort of thing?Sep 28 17:09
DaemonFCI don't think so.Sep 28 17:09
_GoblinI mean creatively you are doing well.....legally, is that not fraud?Sep 28 17:09
DaemonFCMaybe.Sep 28 17:09
_Goblinin the UK it would be "Obtaining a pecuniary advantage" - Part of the Fraud act.Sep 28 17:10
DaemonFCIn the US, we had a woman who got her "degree" from a mail order diploma mill.Sep 28 17:10
DaemonFCThey even put her in charge of IT at the department of homeland security.Sep 28 17:10
DaemonFCShe was making $400,000 a year and had no idea what she was doing.Sep 28 17:11
DaemonFCManaged to float around various government positions for like 10 years before anyone figured it out.Sep 28 17:11
DaemonFCWhen they did, they put her on paid leave for a year and she eventually resigned.Sep 28 17:11
DaemonFCNo charges were ever filed.Sep 28 17:11
_GoblinI wouldn't know about US law...Sep 28 17:12
MinceRhttp://9gag.com/gag/aEwxR19Sep 28 17:12
TechrightsBot-tr9gag.com | 9GAG - Car pool laneSep 28 17:12
DaemonFCMinceR, Yes, the old "inflatable sex doll in the passenger seat" ruse.Sep 28 17:12
MinceRlook closer :>Sep 28 17:12
DaemonFChmmmSep 28 17:13
MinceRit's a more literal "pool" :>Sep 28 17:13
DaemonFCI guess I'd rather be on the other side of those K rails.Sep 28 17:13
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 17:13
MinceR:>Sep 28 17:13
DaemonFC_Goblin, But as MinceR and I can attest to....Sep 28 17:14
DaemonFCGovernments don't really care how much they waste.Sep 28 17:14
DaemonFCThey can always take more.Sep 28 17:14
DaemonFCI don't think there's anything left that the Indiana state government doesn't tax, except for some groceries and prescription medications.Sep 28 17:15
DaemonFCIt's kind of odd that they tax fast food.Sep 28 17:16
DaemonFCThere's a Subway restaurant in the Walmart.Sep 28 17:16
DaemonFCYou get a sandwich there, they tax it.Sep 28 17:16
DaemonFCYou go 20 feet over and grab a sub from the Walmart deli, and there's no tax.Sep 28 17:16
DaemonFCI don't see what the big difference is (for tax purposes) between fast food and food prepared in the deli of a supermarket.Sep 28 17:17
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_GoblinDaemonFC, the difference in their mind would be...more people buy fast food...more money...a little bit like the price wars, when something isn't as popular its cheap to hook you in...then when it is....hit everyone with increase.Sep 28 17:25
sebsebseb_Goblin: Stallman streamSep 28 17:25
sebsebsebcome watch itSep 28 17:25
sebsebseb30th annniverys live celebraitonSep 28 17:25
sebsebsebstream just came now, but back now :dSep 28 17:25
sebsebsebjustwent downSep 28 17:25
sebsebseb,but back nowSep 28 17:25
_Goblinah...I'll shift over there shortly.Sep 28 17:25
MinceRhttp://www.well.com/~bubbles/PD_MenuScreen.htmlSep 28 17:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.well.com | Putri-DOS Menu Screen  [ http://ur1.ca/fqws1 ]Sep 28 17:29
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ANOTHER SOURCE:
iophkGNU is 30 today.Sep 27 09:37
JimmyCarterget a job, GNUSep 27 09:37
schestowitz_mobhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383510160687513600  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383508042043887616  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383506407649456128Sep 27 09:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Why #SteamOS will challenge #Windows for PC gaming supremacy [in desktops]  http://t.co/nvdfrqoqro #gnu #linuxSep 27 09:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: My Detainment Story or: How I learned to Stop Feeling Safe in My Own Country and Hate Border Agents  http://t.co/kSl4ockEXr #usSep 27 09:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.onthemedia.org | My Detainment Story or: How I learned to Stop Feeling Safe in My Own Country and Hate Border Agents*  - On The MediaSep 27 09:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steam Machines game consoles to take many forms http://t.co/G1e6kZl7Sm http://t.co/E61pMb8OzZSep 27 09:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Steam Machines game consoles to take many forms ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 27 09:37
JimmyCarteroh i thought YOU got detainedSep 27 09:38
schestowitz_mobhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383510949401198592Sep 27 09:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Happy birthday, gnu. #gnu #gnu30 $rms #fsfSep 27 09:38
schestowitz_mobJimmyCarter, hopeSep 27 09:39
schestowitz_mobI saw the door thoughSep 27 09:39
MinceR103753 < JimmyCarter> get a job, GNUSep 27 09:39
MinceRit has several already :>Sep 27 09:39
schestowitz_mobthey keep my wife longer at passport controlSep 27 09:39
JimmyCarteryou hope you get detained so you can blog about it?Sep 27 09:39
schestowitz_mobso I went to the back to see two doors with the clauses that say on them that "terrorism" lets them detain peopleSep 27 09:39
MinceRgeekingsSep 27 09:39
schestowitz_mobas if to remind people that it's all fineSep 27 09:39
schestowitz_mobJimmyCarter, maybeSep 27 09:40
schestowitz_mobgetting in a fight with the state is not all that goodSep 27 09:40
schestowitz_mobit helps legitimise you, sometimes, but it's also making life harder and can lead to self-censorshipSep 27 09:40
schestowitz_mobIt's better when you feel like you can do almost anyuthing without detainmentSep 27 09:41
JimmyCarteryeah, Tiananmen square classic exampleSep 27 09:41
JimmyCarterpopularity is prison?Sep 27 09:42
JimmyCartercareer politicians probably know that wellSep 27 09:43
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/portugal-next-in-line-to-block-the-pirate-bay-130926/Sep 27 09:44
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Portugal Next in Line to Block The Pirate Bay | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fq3na ]Sep 27 09:44
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/republicans-consider-blocking-net-neutrality-among-debt-ceiling-demands/Sep 27 09:45
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Republicans consider “blocking net neutrality” among debt ceiling demands | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fq3nl ]Sep 27 09:45
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JimmyCarterim still mad at Israel for bulldozing that American girl to deathSep 27 09:50
JimmyCarterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_CorrieSep 27 09:50
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Rachel Corrie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fq3qj ]Sep 27 09:50
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schestowitz_mobhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110689Sep 27 09:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Windows: press "Start" to shut down. How intuitive. What an utter mess.Sep 27 09:51
schestowitz_mob"How do you know he only just realized that, Mr. Welten?"Sep 27 09:51
schestowitz_mobhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110733Sep 27 09:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What the #uk government wants to censor on the Web https://poddery.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_46433a74f993357081e1.jpg  #censorshipSep 27 09:52
schestowitz_mob"Just when they too "Defender of Faith" out of the monarch's oath and titles. Hmmm."Sep 27 09:52
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schestowitz_mobhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110800Sep 27 09:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This morning I visited the Hyundai Web site briefly (w/ Firefox). Since then, Google bombards me regularly w/ Hyundai video ads in YouTube.Sep 27 09:52
schestowitz_mob"It's a technique called remarketing. It's been around a long time, but it's really hot in internet marketing circles at the moment."Sep 27 09:52
MinceRtime to get rid of the labouries (tobours?)Sep 27 09:53
schestowitz_mobhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3110786Sep 27 09:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: One of my neighbours calls his access point "FBI Surveillance Truck". I noticed that earlier today while testing signals strength.Sep 27 09:53
schestowitz_mob"I used to call mine "Virus Bank" to discourage people from using it. Then I discovered the ideas behind openly sharing wifi. These days my AP is usually called comething more luike "Free love" ;)"Sep 27 09:53
schestowitz_mobI need to rename mine, it's still on defaultsSep 27 09:53
schestowitz_mobhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383513282495393792 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383513764848742400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383506407649456128  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383518679742558208Sep 27 10:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Oxford comma http://t.co/B0lfbHmW4nSep 27 10:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Scammers Flood The Internet Archive With Pirated Movies  http://t.co/taUgMXt8Ck poisoning the well, could be baitSep 27 10:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> torrentfreak.com | Scammers Flood The Internet Archive With Pirated Movies | TorrentFreakSep 27 10:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steam Machines game consoles to take many forms http://t.co/G1e6kZl7Sm http://t.co/E61pMb8OzZSep 27 10:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Steam Machines game consoles to take many forms ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 27 10:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.gamasutra.com | Gamasutra - Valve's Linux push: What do game developers think?Sep 27 11:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Votes Tallied on the GPL and the NSA’s Spying http://t.co/hxBs2SXFyN in short, GPL successful, NSA leaks change habits a bitSep 27 11:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> fossforce.com | Votes Tallied on the GPL and the NSA’s Spying - FOSS ForceSep 27 11:00
schestowitz_mobhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383518012256833536Sep 27 11:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Digital Advertising Alliance Exits Do Not Track Group http://t.co/XFsQ5mnSvv evil can't mix with good https://t.co/5dJVYlYOvbSep 27 11:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.adweek.com | Ad Community Leaves Do Not Track Group | AdweekSep 27 11:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.youtube.com | bill hicks on marketing - YouTubeSep 27 11:00
schestowitz_mobhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383519811969773568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383520166770118656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383521194236182528Sep 27 11:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Karen Sandler: full interview http://t.co/xlUPSk7NE6 #gnu #gnome #linuxSep 27 11:01
TechrightsBot-tr-> tuxradar.com | Karen Sandler: full interview | TuxRadar LinuxSep 27 11:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Fork in the road: Cyanogen raises $7 million to build a better version of Android http://t.co/AwhExV8N4D #android #linuxSep 27 11:01
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theverge.com | Fork in the road: Cyanogen raises $7 million to build a better version of Android | The VergeSep 27 11:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Russia is casting around for legal measures it can use against Greenpeace." http://t.co/3p2b2jJdXc #russia #environmentSep 27 11:01
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray  » Blog Archive   » Russia versus GreenpeaceSep 27 11:01
schestowitz_mobonly in London... https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_8499f0aa141bd0cb13e3.jpgSep 27 11:17
schestowitz_mobhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383535404521369600  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383536136217714688  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383536936369287168  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383537555687608320Sep 27 11:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Funding 'rebels' of interest https://t.co/o2IBzQCMH3Sep 27 11:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Chile shuts luxury jail for #Pinochet henchmen  http://t.co/x3UVZ86UGb swimming pools?!Sep 27 11:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.aljazeera.com | Chile shuts luxury jail for Pinochet henchmen - Americas - Al Jazeera EnglishSep 27 11:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Table costume http://t.co/cILZP214M9Sep 27 11:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Google StreetView time gaps http://t.co/giDmBMgIHpSep 27 11:25
schestowitz_mobhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113189Sep 27 11:33
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Fork in the road: Cyanogen raises $7 million to build a better version of Android http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/18/4742828/cyanogen-raises-7-million-to-build-the-best-version-of-androidSep 27 11:33
schestowitz_mob"Interesting. Cyanogen already wrote about this on their blog, but this article is a nice summary. Kondik should know: he’s attracted millions of users just by building the version of Android he himself wanted to use. That's not true, and unfair to th the many contributors who made cyanogen what it is. Its a community project, a team effort, very far from just one mans crusade as the article claims."Sep 27 11:33
iophk Google has a new search algorithm.Sep 27 11:38
iophkCan't find Gates' quote about the internet being just a fadSep 27 11:38
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schestowitz_mobhttp://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1780615/nurses-join-forces-to-fight-health-cuts/?cs=298Sep 27 11:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.illawarramercury.com.au | Nurses join forces to fight health cuts | Illawarra Mercury  [ http://ur1.ca/fq5cb ]Sep 27 11:47
schestowitz_mobiophk, maybe copyrighted?Sep 27 11:47
schestowitz_mobWas it interview or his book?Sep 27 11:47
schestowitz_mobSomething about "road"?Sep 27 11:47
iophkNah, there was a magazine article citing it.Sep 27 11:47
iophkWIth all the revisionism trying to paint him as a visionary, I figured it would be time to look for that link again.Sep 27 11:48
iophkIt was said in the last half of the 1990's, I think at a conference.Sep 27 11:48
iophkIt may have been when pushing MSN.  (the other MSN)Sep 27 11:51
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MinceRhttp://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-note-3-region-lock-statement-277346/Sep 27 12:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.androidauthority.com | Samsung Germany issues statement on Galaxy Note 3 regional lockout  [ http://ur1.ca/fq5lr ]Sep 27 12:05
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schestowitz_mobhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383539163217559552 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383542538168438785  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383541341470601216  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383540731312635904Sep 27 12:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: http://t.co/6FaWM4AWGW, cleansed  http://t.co/9zdWafYgG5 deletionists #cvscom #failSep 27 12:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.cvs.com | CVS pharmacy - Online Pharmacy - Shop for Wellness and Beauty ProductsSep 27 12:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.lessig.org | CVS.com, cleansed | LessigSep 27 12:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Copyright law influences teachers "educational fair use"  http://t.co/SgO3VHmHLV "GNU General Public License and Wikimedia Commons."Sep 27 12:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> communities.washingtontimes.com | Copyright law influences teachers "educational fair use" of materials | Washington Times CommunitiesSep 27 12:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Valve also promise that they’re working on bringing music, TV and movie services to SteamOS" http://t.co/REVwdMMVuMSep 27 12:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> games.on.net | Valve announces SteamOS: Stream your games from your regular PC to your new Steam hardware | games.on.netSep 27 12:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: GNOME 3.10 Updates, GNU 30th Anniversary http://t.co/F267cgy0DM "at MIT September 28 and 29"Sep 27 12:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> ostatic.com | GNOME 3.10 Updates, GNU 30th AnniversarySep 27 12:39
schestowitz_mobhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383543167922216960  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383544589342494720  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383545073008668672  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383545422952038400Sep 27 12:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Software Freedom Day celebrates 10th year in Christchurch http://t.co/HRMSY7cnIe Software freedom as religionSep 27 12:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.scoop.co.nz | Software Freedom Day celebrates 10th year in Christchurch | Scoop NewsSep 27 12:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Home automation device runs #Linux on #BeagleBone http://t.co/JTeNrFuCd7 "ship another 1,000 units"Sep 27 12:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Home automation device runs Linux on BeagleBone ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 27 12:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Fedora 20 Is Now Ready For Testing http://t.co/aJHdAUn88b #fedora #gnu #linuxSep 27 12:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.unixmen.com | Fedora 20 Is Now Ready For Testing | UnixmenSep 27 12:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The http://t.co/tsWcoZexHR Server's GLX Is Being Rewritten http://t.co/EZBK3N0SnW #glx #linux #xserverSep 27 12:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.x.org | xorgSep 27 12:41
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TechrightsBot-tr-> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] The X.Org Server's GLX Is Being RewrittenSep 27 12:41
schestowitz_mobhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383551942351683584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383552406841475072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383552863810912256Sep 27 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Valve, Nvidia, and AMD Drive the Final Nail into the Windows Coffin http://t.co/h4CdFwK5ml #gnu #linuxSep 27 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | Valve, Nvidia, and AMD Drive the Final Nail into the Windows CoffinSep 27 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Half-Life: Source Officially Exits Beta http://t.co/OYTLwZAT2b #freesw #halflifeSep 27 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | Half-Life: Source Officially Exits BetaSep 27 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Kwheezy 1.2 Review  http://t.co/bWWHLy5Pqy #debian #gnu #linuxSep 27 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.navychristian.org | The Navy Christian: Kwheezy 1.2 ReviewSep 27 12:45
schestowitz_mob https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383553205650866176  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383553784049582080Sep 27 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Switching to Kubuntu comments  http://t.co/jdulMbxSya #kde through #kubuntu #gnu #linux running two PCs hereSep 27 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> blogs.kde.org | Switching to Kubuntu comments | blogs.kde.orgSep 27 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #Maxthon Web Browser Gets Linux Support http://t.co/yTr53sk5JY it's the trend now. #gnu #linuxSep 27 12:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxg.net | The Maxthon Web Browser Gets Linux Support | LinuxG.netSep 27 12:45
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iophkhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-33620_3-57604604-278/how-google-could-have-made-the-web-secure-and-failed-again/Sep 27 12:58
TechrightsBot-trnews.cnet.com | How Google could have made the Web secure and failed -- again | Common Sense Tech - CNET News  [ http://ur1.ca/fq69k ]Sep 27 12:58
oiaohmiophk: google usa company NSA interference is very much possible.Sep 27 12:59
iophkIt's a high probabilitySep 27 12:59
iophkthen there is also the pressure from advertisersSep 27 12:59
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383564548965662720Sep 27 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Mir Adoption is Inevitable  http://t.co/FGd5wIqMRA #mir #ubuntu #canonicalSep 27 13:58
schestowitziophk1: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383570234206343168 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383576118156337153Sep 27 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Mir Adoption is Inevitable | TechrightsSep 27 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft’s Patent Mafia Called the Proof That Patent Trolls Must be Eradicated or Patent Law Changed http://t.co/ksZ2COCa85 #swpatsSep 27 13:59
iophk1thksSep 27 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Patent Mafia Called the Proof That Patent Trolls Must be Eradicated or Patent Law Changed | TechrightsSep 27 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents http://t.co/AaGv40XfuF #elop #nokiaSep 27 13:59
iophk1The investigation of Elop's contract might  unfold into something interesting.Sep 27 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents | TechrightsSep 27 13:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383576678305640448Sep 27 14:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Google doesn't want security, it wants 'national' [US] security (i.e. perpetuating imperialism through surveillance)  http://t.co/8baWINpSWySep 27 14:00
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383578461530755072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383578858412593152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/383588889094815744Sep 27 14:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Fartkontrol https://t.co/nuoBXALQ1QSep 27 14:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Basic computer skills https://t.co/bFfPaQRiY4Sep 27 14:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Aren't There Too Many Car Types and Brands? The Type of Question Apple/Microsoft Boosters Ask About GNU/Linux... http://t.co/TbfDfau2e5Sep 27 14:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Aren’t There Too Many Car Types and Brands? The Type of Question Apple/Microsoft Boosters Ask About GNU/Linux… | TechrightsSep 27 14:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113306Sep 27 14:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Alquilas un coche. Te asignan uno que parece el cochecito de la barbie ![](http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.muylinux.com/www.topito.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/code-06.gif.pagespeed.ce.X9XHpSi2Wl.gif).Sep 27 14:58
schestowitz"That top gif perfectly sums up my morning so far."Sep 27 14:58
iophk"Next week I'll be exploring various aspects of GNU and its extraordinary legacy."Sep 27 15:06
iophkhttp://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/09/the-birth-of-a-gnu-era/index.htmSep 27 15:06
TechrightsBot-trblogs.computerworlduk.com | The Birth of a GNU Era - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/fq7xs ]Sep 27 15:06
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MinceRhttp://www.bonneville-experiment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/CIMG1690.jpgSep 27 20:04
MinceRhttp://cheezburger.com/7813237248Sep 27 20:14
TechrightsBot-trcheezburger.com | You'll Be Able to See the Music Better - CheezburgerSep 27 20:14
XFaCEMinceR: the whole Nokia situation smells just like NortelSep 27 20:15
XFaCEabsolutely disgustingSep 27 20:15
MinceRmaybe people will learn, in timeSep 27 20:16
MinceRprobably notSep 27 20:16
iophkhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/technology/tech-giants-fear-spread-of-patent-wars-to-europe.htmlSep 27 20:40
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fqdgs ]Sep 27 20:40
iophkAgain, software patents are invalid in Europe despite what M$ Florian, tuxera and others try to convince people of.Sep 27 20:41
XFaCEschestowitz: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130926/09233624665/la-school-gives-ipads-to-students-students-hack-protection-scheme-less-than-week.shtmlSep 27 20:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.techdirt.com | LA School Gives iPads To Students; Students Hack Protection; School Freaks Out And Halts iPad Program | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/fqdm9 ]Sep 27 20:52
XFaCEMinceR: BwwwwwwwwahahahahahahaSep 27 20:52
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Sosumihttp://www.fastcompany.com/3018636/fast-feed/ios-7-is-reportedly-making-people-sickSep 27 21:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.fastcompany.com | IOS 7 Is Reportedly Making People Sick | Fast Company | Business + Innovation  [ http://ur1.ca/fqdsy ]Sep 27 21:04
SosumilulzSep 27 21:04
Sosumihttp://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/09/27/microsoft_wants_google_to_censor_its_wikipedia_pageSep 27 21:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Microsoft Wants Google to Censor Its Wikipedia Page  [ http://ur1.ca/fqdtr ]Sep 27 21:06
MinceRlulz indeedSep 27 21:07
MinceRhaving to use that crap would disgust me tooSep 27 21:10
SosumiI just hope that the new nexus phone happens to be goodSep 27 21:24
Sosumispecially when it comes to battery, because from what I heard, it's only 2300 mAhSep 27 21:27
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Sosuminot good, when the similar LG G2 comes with a 3000 mAh batterySep 27 21:28
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DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/26/ios-7-design-motion-sickness_n_3995898.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopularSep 28 06:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | iOS 7 Design Is Giving Some People Motion Sickness And Vertigo  [ http://ur1.ca/fqlgb ]Sep 28 06:22
DaemonFCiPukeSep 28 06:22
schestowitz_mobmoving to a laptopSep 28 06:26
schestowitz_mobmy PC's hard drive is a messSep 28 06:26
schestowitz_mobtoo many FS errors for weeks nowSep 28 06:27
schestowitz_moband new ones emergingSep 28 06:27
schestowitz_mobI am going to move to the latest kde on another machineSep 28 06:27
DaemonFChttp://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/09/google_street_view_invades_a_l.phpSep 28 06:30
TechrightsBot-trblogs.miaminewtimes.com | Google Street View Invades a Liberty City Woman's Right To Hold a Water Jug Naked On Front Porch  [ http://ur1.ca/fqlj6 ]Sep 28 06:30
DaemonFCLOLSep 28 06:30
DaemonFCThey still have it.Sep 28 06:31
DaemonFCThey just blurred out the entire naked woman.Sep 28 06:32
DaemonFCMinceR, Someone I know has liens on all his cars because of back child support.Sep 28 06:45
DaemonFCHe had one that was really old that he didn't need, and he wanted to sell it, but the state wouldn't release the title.Sep 28 06:45
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DaemonFCSo I called around to some scrap metal salvage companies, and found one that would pay him $400 to crush and recycle the car without asking for the title.Sep 28 06:46
oiaohmSo MinceR is around?Sep 28 06:50
DaemonFCUsuallySep 28 06:51
oiaohmDaemonFC: he is sometime in sometime outSep 28 06:51
DaemonFCIndiana has some fucked up laws.Sep 28 06:52
oiaohmMinceR: XDC2013 David Herrmann - DRM Security  video would be a very good watch. Sep 28 06:52
DaemonFCThey won't let you sell your vehicles to pay your child support.Sep 28 06:52
oiaohmMinceR: shows many of the reasons why I say X11 has to dieSep 28 06:52
DaemonFCIf you have a professional license, they will revoke it, so you lose your good paying job that could pay your child support.Sep 28 06:52
DaemonFCWhen they cause you to get so far behind that you can't pay it, they put you in prison.Sep 28 06:52
DaemonFCThe only thing that saved his bacon is that he has a good paying job that only required a high school diploma, which is rare.Sep 28 06:53
oiaohmDaemonFC: so they don't allow you todo the wage ganashed by boss with a professional license to keep it.Sep 28 06:53
DaemonFCSo there's nothing the state can really do to mess that up for him.Sep 28 06:53
DaemonFCAnd his son turned 18, so the new child support debt stopped and he's making progress with the back payments now.Sep 28 06:54
DaemonFCoiaohm, No. They just revoke your license.Sep 28 06:54
DaemonFCThen you're working at McDonalds or Walmart or something.Sep 28 06:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: Ok they sux balls over there.Sep 28 06:54
DaemonFCAnd you might have had a $30 an hour job they could garnish if they hadn't revoked your license.Sep 28 06:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: Australia if you don't agree to having your wage ganashed they take license.Sep 28 06:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: if you have not been paying.Sep 28 06:55
oiaohmSo minorally more fair.Sep 28 06:55
oiaohmProblem is they can ganahey wages to 10 dollars under unemployment rate.Sep 28 06:55
DaemonFCI knew a guy that owed so much child support that he started working off the books to get the state to stop garnishing him.Sep 28 06:56
DaemonFCI paid him to work on my car a few years ago.Sep 28 06:56
DaemonFCThe shop wanted like $400 to fix something, and he said he'd do it if I brought him the parts and paid him $100 for the work.Sep 28 06:56
DaemonFCSo it ended up costing me $150 instead.Sep 28 06:56
DaemonFCThat works. :)Sep 28 06:56
DaemonFCIt's always good to know someone that's a shade tree mechanic that works off the books for whatever reason.Sep 28 06:57
DaemonFCI had him replace my car's radiator too.Sep 28 06:58
DaemonFCShop wanted $500.Sep 28 06:58
DaemonFCI ended up paying like $300.Sep 28 06:58
DaemonFCCar repair will give you a serious financial buzz cut.Sep 28 06:58
DaemonFCI'm just trying to keep my piece of shit running cheaply for the next year or two while I save money to buy something newer.Sep 28 06:59
DaemonFCThose shops charge so much money that sometimes it's cheaper to buy a new car than to fix what you've got.Sep 28 06:59
DaemonFCI'm just glad that Indiana doesn't have smog checks or safety inspections.Sep 28 07:00
DaemonFCIf this was California, it probably wouldn't even be legal to operate the car I have.Sep 28 07:00
DaemonFCIt gave me a good scare last year. It started idling rough.Sep 28 07:01
DaemonFCI hooked up a code scanner and it said that the MAF sensor was bad.Sep 28 07:02
DaemonFCSo I took the MAF sensor off and sprayed it down with a cleaning solvent, and plugged it back in, cleared the code.Sep 28 07:02
DaemonFCIt hasn't come back.Sep 28 07:02
DaemonFCFord tries to stop you from cleaning it by securing it with a Torx screw with a blob of epoxy in the head.Sep 28 07:03
DaemonFCIt took me more than an hour to scrape out the epoxy before I could get the MAF sensor off.Sep 28 07:03
DaemonFCWhile I was messing around with that, I also cleaned out the throttle body and plate.Sep 28 07:03
DaemonFCThe starter motor and alternator went out. I managed to fix those with junkyard parts.Sep 28 07:04
DaemonFCThe guy said go out and pick whatever I needed.Sep 28 07:04
DaemonFCThe starter and alternator were only like $10 each that way.Sep 28 07:04
DaemonFCI called down to NAPA first and asked them to price out an alternator for me.Sep 28 07:05
DaemonFCThat's a $290 part all by itself.Sep 28 07:05
DaemonFCI managed to pick one from a 1993 Taurus that had been wrecked.Sep 28 07:06
DaemonFCEver since then when something breaks, I go find a junkyard part.Sep 28 07:06
DaemonFCI'm done putting lots of money into this thing. :PSep 28 07:06
DaemonFCIt just needs to run for another year or two and then I'll probably buy a 2006-2007 model Taurus to replace it with.Sep 28 07:07
DaemonFCoiaohm, I understand that Australia has a minimum wage of like $14 an hour.Sep 28 07:18
DaemonFCThey keep saying that if we did that here, it would "destroy jobs".Sep 28 07:18
DaemonFCI don't really think that would happen. Most of the jobs that would be affected are ones you really have to have someone physically present to do.Sep 28 07:19
DaemonFCA lot of people have been tricked into getting college degrees, and then they don't find any good jobs later.Sep 28 07:23
DaemonFCSomeone I know is so far deep into student debt that they're garnishing him down to minimum wage x 30 hours.Sep 28 07:23
DaemonFCI understand that it's not uncommon.Sep 28 07:23
DaemonFCI just wonder how people are managing to get by despite every nasty thing that's going on these days.Sep 28 07:23
DaemonFCAfter a while, there's just nothing left to cut.Sep 28 07:24
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DaemonFCZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 28 08:07
DaemonFCThe Catholic Church. Fun for the whole family.Sep 28 08:07
DaemonFCBring the kids!Sep 28 08:07
DaemonFCZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 28 08:08
DaemonFCThe Episcopal church:Sep 28 08:08
DaemonFCDon't worry kids. We're not Catholic.Sep 28 08:08
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DaemonFCThese people on Craigslist are nuts.Sep 28 09:49
DaemonFC$2,000 for a 1999 minivan with 180,000 miles.Sep 28 09:49
DaemonFCI would be unwilling to pay a lot more than crush value for something like that.Sep 28 09:50
oiaohmI guess no new engine.Sep 28 09:50
DaemonFCBecause it will last a few years and then it will get too expensive to justify maintaining, and it will have to be crushed.Sep 28 09:50
oiaohmminivan with 180.000 but with a new engine like 2 to 3 years back would still be worth that.Sep 28 09:51
DaemonFCWell, if I had no vehicle and someone said they had a van like that, I'd pay about $1,000-$1,200 for it.Sep 28 09:51
DaemonFCoriginal everything I supposeSep 28 09:51
DaemonFCthey usually point out any engine or transmission rebuildsSep 28 09:51
DaemonFCIf they have the documentation, that increases the value.Sep 28 09:51
oiaohmIt also reduces the cost of parts.Sep 28 09:51
oiaohmminivans are one of the few car type with close to standard engine mounts.Sep 28 09:52
DaemonFCIf they said they wanted $2000 and had documentation that the engine and transmission had been rebuilt, I'd pay $2,000 or more.Sep 28 09:52
oiaohmDaemonFC: I was talking engine replace with more modern version.Sep 28 09:52
DaemonFCYou have to watch out though. Engine rebuilds are only as reliable as the mechanic that did the work.Sep 28 09:52
oiaohmDaemonFC: the other I like for easy engine replacement is anything built on standard dune buggy chassie.Sep 28 09:53
oiaohmYes the old BW beatle chassie.Sep 28 09:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: rebuilds normally don't interest me that much.Sep 28 09:54
DaemonFCRebuilds are only worth if if the body of the vehicle is in good shape.Sep 28 09:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: problem with a rebuild the same age is the getting parts is still too hard on a 10 year old engine.Sep 28 09:55
DaemonFCIf you can do the rebuilds for a few thousand dollars and the vehicle will go another 10 years, you should do it.Sep 28 09:55
DaemonFCI wouldn't get into it with my car because the body is being eaten by rust.Sep 28 09:55
oiaohma few thousand dollars on the engine normally can get you a max of a 5 year old engine.Sep 28 09:56
DaemonFCI don't think it's a good thing to expect my car to be driveable for more than another few years.Sep 28 09:56
oiaohmLow milage here DaemonFCSep 28 09:56
DaemonFCI'm at the point where I'm doing minimal maintenance.Sep 28 09:56
DaemonFCIf it costs me $500-600 to keep it going another 3 years, then that's alright.Sep 28 09:56
DaemonFCI wouldn't want to get much deeper than that.Sep 28 09:57
DaemonFCI'm setting back about $500 a month that I'm not allowing myself to touch.Sep 28 09:57
DaemonFCWhen this car breaks down, I should be able to afford something much nicer.Sep 28 09:57
DaemonFCNo bank will give me a loan, so setting back money is the only thing I can do.Sep 28 09:58
DaemonFCI guess that's not such a bad thing.Sep 28 09:58
DaemonFCAt least 100% of the money is going to buy the car, instead of interest to a bank.Sep 28 09:58
DaemonFCYou get a loan from a bank for $10,000, you're looking as a few thousand dollars more just on the interest.Sep 28 09:59
DaemonFCI'd rather save myself that expense and just drive this rustbucket into the ground while I save up.Sep 28 09:59
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/microsoft-wants-google-to-censor-its-wikipedia-page-130927/Sep 28 10:00
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Microsoft Wants Google to Censor Its Wikipedia Page | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo3h ]Sep 28 10:00
DaemonFCI found a deal on a 1989 Buick that a former neighbor of mine wanted rid of.Sep 28 10:00
DaemonFCThe guy was 96 years old and he didn't have his license anymore.Sep 28 10:00
DaemonFCSo he sold the thing to me for $500 and I asked him not to fill out the title completely.Sep 28 10:01
DaemonFCI titled it over to my stepdad and he gave me the $500 back.Sep 28 10:01
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DaemonFCIt wasn't running too well at first because it had just been sitting, so I changed the oil, flushed the radiator and transmission, replaced the spark plugs, and swapped out the fuel filter.Sep 28 10:02
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DaemonFCIt runs fine now.Sep 28 10:02
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DaemonFCThe seatbelt and driver door latch were both broken, so I went to the local junkyard and picked a seatbelt and a door latch for like $30.Sep 28 10:04
DaemonFCI'm not opposed to driving an old car, it's the mileage that really concerns me.Sep 28 10:05
iophkIt's been a few weeks since Dotcom: http://torrentfreak.com/kim-dotcom-offers-to-bankroll-kiwi-americas-cup-team-130927/Sep 28 10:05
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Kim Dotcom Offers to Bankroll Kiwi America’s Cup Team | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo5f ]Sep 28 10:05
DaemonFCThat and the condition of the body.Sep 28 10:05
DaemonFCIf you can pick a car that has been garaged and seldom driven for under $1,000 and make some minor repairs, you got a good deal.Sep 28 10:05
DaemonFCThe problem is that everyone knows that, so it's a race to get over there with the cash.Sep 28 10:06
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4052596408.htmlSep 28 10:09
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 2002 Buick Le Sabre custom  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo7n ]Sep 28 10:09
DaemonFCNice car. Mileage must be high because they didn't list it.Sep 28 10:10
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4094223636.htmlSep 28 10:14
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1999 olds intrigue  [ http://ur1.ca/fqo9e ]Sep 28 10:14
DaemonFCThat could be a good deal.Sep 28 10:14
DaemonFCI'm interested in cars with 100-115,000 miles on them.Sep 28 10:14
DaemonFCAny higher than that and you know they probably won't last a long time.Sep 28 10:15
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4082105817.htmlSep 28 10:16
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 92' Chevy Lumina  [ http://ur1.ca/fp8mz ]Sep 28 10:16
DaemonFCI drove one of these around for a while.Sep 28 10:16
DaemonFCMy dad sold it to me for $500.Sep 28 10:16
DaemonFCHe had it since it was new. It had 215,000 miles on it when I got it. I got it up to a little over 290 before it had major engine trouble.Sep 28 10:17
DaemonFCI used it for a long commute.Sep 28 10:17
DaemonFCMy favorite car that I've ever owned was a 1995 Chevrolet Corsica.Sep 28 10:24
DaemonFCIt had the 3.1 liter V6.Sep 28 10:24
DaemonFCThey don't look like much, but with that engine in them, they really get up and go.Sep 28 10:24
DaemonFCYou know the V6 was a better engine than the inline 4 because you don't see many around anymore that had the inline 4.Sep 28 10:25
DaemonFC4 cylinder engine that's not made by Honda or Toyota = disposable car.Sep 28 10:26
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2003-Pontiac-Aztek-4dr_All_Purpose_FWD-Columbia_City-IN/2073750613Sep 28 10:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2003 Pontiac Aztek for sale in Columbia City - 3G7DA03E33S543845 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/fqodr ]Sep 28 10:27
DaemonFCI'd call and ask about this, but pretty much all their trade ins have major problems.Sep 28 10:27
DaemonFCPeople trade them in when they know they couldn't sell them as-is.Sep 28 10:27
DaemonFCI thought the Aztek was one ugly vehicle.Sep 28 10:28
DaemonFCStill do.Sep 28 10:28
DaemonFCBut the fact that Walter White drove one makes them cool now.Sep 28 10:28
DaemonFCIf Pontiac was still around and making these, I'm sure that Breaking Bad would have had the sales going way up.Sep 28 10:29
DaemonFCIf it's good enough for Walter White, it's good enough for me.Sep 28 10:32
DaemonFCOf course, I'd have to go find a hat like his too.Sep 28 10:32
DaemonFCB-)Sep 28 10:33
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/oracles-reshape-deal-microsoft-just-certification-deal-221412old - Sep 28 10:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | The Industry Standard | The Industry Standard Channel - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fqona ]Sep 28 10:46
iophkold - http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/oracles-reshape-deal-microsoft-just-certification-deal-221412Sep 28 10:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Oracle's 'reshape' deal with Microsoft just a certification deal | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fqone ]Sep 28 10:46
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/elop-25-million-dollar-golden-handshake-for-destroying-the-company-how-could-this-happen-analysis-an.htmlSep 28 10:51
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Elop 25 Million Dollar Golden Handshake for Destroying the Company - How Could This Happen at Nokia (analysis and speculation) - Tomi plays detective again  [ http://ur1.ca/fqoq7 ]Sep 28 10:51
oiaohmiophk: ceo contracts are really evil.Sep 28 10:52
iophkYeah.Sep 28 10:52
iophkThere is also the stupidity of tying reward to stock price.Sep 28 10:52
iophkShare price has little to do with reality.Sep 28 10:52
iophkI'm not sure if it ever did.Sep 28 10:52
iophkIn principle, share holders are part owners in the company but they never act like that any more, if they ever did.Sep 28 10:53
oiaohmthey sometimes tdo.Sep 28 10:53
oiaohmbut it rare that share holders team up to the magical 51 percent.Sep 28 10:54
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oiaohmProblem is even if they do the employment contracts of CEO normally insist they get payed out even if they are fired.Sep 28 10:54
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iophkIn a few cases it is worth to pay just to make them go away , but they are rarely replaced by better ones.Sep 28 10:55
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oiaohmiophk: really what is the point in performing if you will get the same money either way.Sep 28 10:56
iophkThe evaluations are never tied to true performance indicators, usually only to stock price.Sep 28 10:56
DaemonFCiophk, Yeah. We see that going on with Walmart.Sep 28 11:06
DaemonFCThey have tons of structural problems and their stock isn't reflecting it.Sep 28 11:06
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DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/4095604887.htmlSep 28 11:18
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | SuSE LINUX 8.1 NEVER USED  [ http://ur1.ca/fqp31 ]Sep 28 11:18
DaemonFCWho would buy that?Sep 28 11:19
MinceRi wouldn'tSep 28 11:19
oiaohmDaemonFC:  a patent laywer would buy that item.Sep 28 11:40
oiaohmDaemonFC: unsed historic marker of existance of something.Sep 28 11:40
oiaohmDaemonFC: basically perfect legal evidence.Sep 28 11:40
MinceR:)Sep 28 11:41
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes a open version of that box would be worthless.Sep 28 11:45
iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2050440/free-unix-the-worldchanging-proclamation-made-30-years-ago-today.htmlSep 28 11:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fqpgg ]Sep 28 11:47
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oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3MTY  Highly interestingSep 28 13:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA, Red Hat Partner Up For New Graphics Project  [ http://ur1.ca/fqqja ]Sep 28 13:20
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DaemonFCI just got back from the supermarket. I bought way too much lunch meat last month because I had coupons.Sep 28 13:50
DaemonFCEnded up freezing most of it.Sep 28 13:50
DaemonFCSo I got a bunch of stuff to make subs with.Sep 28 13:50
DaemonFCAnd that's what I'll be eating for the next week.Sep 28 13:51
DaemonFCMy grocery budget is basically the last item with anything left to cut.Sep 28 13:51
DaemonFCI take a bunch of surveys under a false name to get those $50 prepaid visa cards.Sep 28 13:53
DaemonFCI've gone through enough of them to knock out the internet bill for the next couple of months.Sep 28 13:54
DaemonFCMy goal is to have at least $4,000 in the car fund by January.Sep 28 13:54
DaemonFCStill pisses me off what's going on with the used car market.Sep 28 13:54
DaemonFC$4,000 worth of car is like $2,000 worth of car was in 2005.Sep 28 13:54
DaemonFCThis is just ridiculous.Sep 28 13:54
DaemonFCMaybe I should just keep saving and scrimping and suffering for a few years and buy a brand new car with cash.Sep 28 13:55
DaemonFCI'm sure that guy at the Ford dealership would shit himself if I walked in and bought a new Ford Focus with $15,000 in $20s.Sep 28 13:55
DaemonFCIt would be satisfying to buy a new car with cash.Sep 28 13:56
DaemonFCThey like to get you financed because it's where they make most of their money.Sep 28 13:56
DaemonFCThe price of the car really isn't making them a lot of profit, it's when they finance you at like 9 or 10% APR.Sep 28 13:56
DaemonFCIf you finance a $15,000 car for five years of payments at 10%, you're going to pay about $19,100 by the time the payments end.Sep 28 13:58
DaemonFCIf you saved up the monthly payment and paid in full, you'd be saving for just slightly under 4 years.Sep 28 13:59
DaemonFCI wonder what will be left of my poor Taurus in four years.Sep 28 13:59
DaemonFC*sputter sputter sputter backfire car dies*Sep 28 14:00
DaemonFCDo you take trade-ins? :)Sep 28 14:00
DaemonFCBe very careful what you buy, you might just end up driving it until it's 25 years old.Sep 28 14:01
iophkhttp://unlimitedcorruption.com/Sep 28 14:13
TechrightsBot-trunlimitedcorruption.com | McCutcheon - Unlimited Bribery. Unlimited Corruption.Sep 28 14:13
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DaemonFCMinceR, I had my mom and Dave laughing their asses off the other day.Sep 28 14:55
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DaemonFCAn AT&T telemarketer called wanting to know if they'd like to switch to AT&T "and save money".Sep 28 14:56
Xan_Sounds legit, Daemon.Sep 28 14:56
Xan_Hi all.Sep 28 14:56
MinceR:)Sep 28 14:56
DaemonFCSo I said "No. We hate money. We can't stand having money. In fact, I've got a whole pile of money just sitting here and I'm going to take it out back and pour gasoline all over it and burn it if you don't take it all right this minute!"Sep 28 14:56
Xan_D:Sep 28 14:57
DaemonFCSo then he was like "Well, I'm just trying to save you some money...".Sep 28 14:58
DaemonFCSo I said "I don't like saving money. I want you to have all of it. In fact, I'm going to write you out a blank check and sign it and you just fill in however much you want to take."Sep 28 14:59
Xan_Did he understand the sarcasm?Sep 28 14:59
DaemonFCYeah.Sep 28 14:59
DaemonFCHe told me to have a nice day and hung up on me.Sep 28 14:59
Xan_XD Wow.Sep 28 14:59
Xan_I had a question for ya'll. Does anyone here write the articles on, or is critical of, the International Standards Organization?Sep 28 15:00
iophkRoy wrote about them a while back during the OOXML scandals. Sep 28 15:00
iophkMy take was that part of the scandal process from M$ was intended to weaken ISOSep 28 15:01
Xan_See, I'm critical of ISO because of a political monopoly they hold. I wasn't aware they held a technological monopoly as well.Sep 28 15:01
Xan_So I found this website and was quite curious.Sep 28 15:01
iophkDiscredit ISO and thus its standards.  then by projection all standards.Sep 28 15:01
Xan_Did you know that if you're not a member of the United Nations then ISO won't grant you a 3166-1 code? And without a 3166-1 code your country can't send/receive mail, make/receive telephone calls, obtain a TLD, etc.Sep 28 15:02
Xan_It's rediculous.Sep 28 15:02
Xan_If ISO don't like you they could theoretically remove your country's ISO-3166-1 code and turn you into a black hole.Sep 28 15:03
iophkCan you give an example of a country left out of ISO-3166?Sep 28 15:03
DaemonFCFedora only recently got around to removing support for some currency symbols that had been deprecated by the Euro.Sep 28 15:04
Xan_In practice it doesn't happen, because most nations are UN member states. But I work with Native American and other indigenous groups who fight for independence, and as non-UN member states they can't get any ISO codes. One of the dire consequences of this is they aren't allowed to import medicine.Sep 28 15:04
DaemonFCSome of them had been removed upstream years ago, but Fedora was applying a patch to add them back.Sep 28 15:04
DaemonFCHungary keeps saying it will switch to the Euro, but it doesn't meet the requirements to officially adopt it.Sep 28 15:05
DaemonFCThere's nothing stopping them from making it their legal currency unofficially.Sep 28 15:05
DaemonFCSeveral countries use the Euro or US Dollar unofficially.Sep 28 15:06
Xan_I dislike the Euro, if only because I think it is taking away culture. I miss the old things like the drachma.Sep 28 15:06
DaemonFCIn fact, it helps the US economy when a country adopts the USD as their legal currency.Sep 28 15:06
iophkThe ISO 3166 web page only mentions "country names in ISO 3166 come from United Nations sources"Sep 28 15:06
Xan_Though ideally I'd prefer a full reserve currency.Sep 28 15:06
DaemonFCIt creates more demand for US dollars.Sep 28 15:06
Xan_Iophk, one moment let me get you a good example.Sep 28 15:06
DaemonFCSo we couldn't stop them, but why would we?Sep 28 15:06
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 15:06
MinceRi don't think the hungarian government has any intention whatsoever to switch to the euroSep 28 15:08
MinceRit would infringe on their precious freedom to run our economy into the ground.Sep 28 15:08
Xan_Here's a good example, @iophk. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1591Sep 28 15:08
TechrightsBot-trtools.ietf.org | RFC 1591 - Domain Name System Structure and DelegationSep 28 15:08
iophkMinceR: don't shops make a lot of money gouging on the informal exchange rate?Sep 28 15:08
MinceRit seems that orban is trying to get hungary kicked out of the euSep 28 15:08
Xan_IANA will only grant your country a TLD if you have an ISO-3166-1 code.Sep 28 15:08
MinceRiophk: i suppose they doSep 28 15:08
iophkIn practice they'd have to lower their prices if the switch were officialSep 28 15:09
MinceRthat's fun, they're handing TLDs out left and right nowSep 28 15:09
MinceRbut not to non-UN member states?Sep 28 15:09
MinceRor did they cancel their plan to pollute the TLD space already?Sep 28 15:09
Xan_If you're not a UN member state, which isn't very common but basically makes up all indigenous groups in the world. You can't do anything.Sep 28 15:09
iophkI suppose it would be possible to flat out buy a TLDSep 28 15:09
DaemonFCMinceR> it would infringe on their precious freedom to run our economy into the ground.Sep 28 15:09
DaemonFCMinceR, LOLSep 28 15:09
iophkoutside of 3166Sep 28 15:10
DaemonFCSet the printing press to maximum! Engage!Sep 28 15:10
MinceR:>Sep 28 15:10
Xan_That's true, iophk. But look at phone calls. If someone wants to call the USA they dial +1, right? Well that +1 is granted by ISO. If the USA were no longer a UN member state nobody would be able to call the USA internationally because the +1 would be revoked.Sep 28 15:10
DaemonFCMinceR, The only country that has gotten away with massive currency manipulation without serious consequences (so far) is the United States, as far as I know.Sep 28 15:11
Xan_Because, guess what, the International Telecommunication Union that grants codes is standardized by ISO and run by the UN.Sep 28 15:11
DaemonFCThere's a lot of people willing to accept them despite all the funny business, so it stays strong, for now.Sep 28 15:11
DaemonFCIf anyone sells oil that's not priced in USD, there will be, errm, consequences.Sep 28 15:12
DaemonFCSo that helps.Sep 28 15:12
DaemonFCGas prices have been on a really wild ride over the past few years.Sep 28 15:13
DaemonFCIt's been as low as $1.76 a gallon and as much as $4.26 a gallon between 2008-present.Sep 28 15:13
Xan_Go to Venezuela, it's literally 1.5 cents a gallon.Sep 28 15:14
DaemonFCIt would have been nice to have a place to store like 500 gallons of it back when it was $1.76.Sep 28 15:14
DaemonFCMy car does not get spectacular gas mileage.Sep 28 15:15
DaemonFCThe only reason I'm getting away with it right now is because it doesn't get driven out of town all that often.Sep 28 15:15
DaemonFCI've thought about replacing it with a Honda when my finances improve.Sep 28 15:16
Xan_How about a nice prius? :DSep 28 15:16
DaemonFCWhen I'm done with that Taurus, it'll be ready to crush.Sep 28 15:17
DaemonFCIf it hasn't disintegrated from rust already.Sep 28 15:17
iophkhttp://www.csmonitor.com/World/2012/0229/World-s-cheapest-gas-Top-10-countries/Venezuela-0.18-per-gallon-0.05-per-literSep 28 15:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.csmonitor.com | World's cheapest gas: Top 10 countries - Venezuela- $0.18 per gallon ($0.05 per liter) - CSMonitor.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fqryv ]Sep 28 15:17
DaemonFCXan_, A Prius? No.Sep 28 15:17
Xan_You have a Ford Taurus?Sep 28 15:17
DaemonFCThose are absurdly expensive.Sep 28 15:17
DaemonFCEven if I could come up with that much money, there'd be no point.Sep 28 15:18
DaemonFCIt would eat up all my gas savings in the price of the car.Sep 28 15:18
DaemonFCYes.Sep 28 15:18
Xan_Civilian model or Police Interceptor?Sep 28 15:18
DaemonFCA 1995 Ford Taurus SHO.Sep 28 15:18
Xan_Ohh, okay. The new Interceptor model is awesome.Sep 28 15:18
DaemonFCThe cops here don't drive a Taurus anymore.Sep 28 15:18
DaemonFCThey auctioned them all off and bought Dodge Chargers.Sep 28 15:19
Xan_I'm never giving up my Crown Vic. I've tried the Charger and it's nice, but... Don't like the design.Sep 28 15:19
DaemonFCI was looking at buying an '04 Vic a few weeks ago.Sep 28 15:19
Xan_I drive an '03. It's better milage than you'd expect.Sep 28 15:19
DaemonFCWhat stopped me was that the last owner beat the living shit out of it and it had a lot of problems.Sep 28 15:19
DaemonFCSo, I found out why they only wanted $2,700 for it.Sep 28 15:20
Xan_Ah, yeah. Could always get the money together for an '08 and use E85 ethonel to save money.Sep 28 15:20
DaemonFCE85 doesn't save money.Sep 28 15:20
Xan_No?Sep 28 15:20
DaemonFCIt has less energy potential per gallon than gasoline.Sep 28 15:20
DaemonFCIf it reduces your fuel mileage by 27%, you're not saving money.Sep 28 15:21
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 15:21
Xan_Ah >:Sep 28 15:21
DaemonFCI have used E85 in the Taurus though.Sep 28 15:21
Xan_My friend has an electric car so, free fuel.Sep 28 15:21
Xan_:PSep 28 15:21
DaemonFCNot 100% E85.Sep 28 15:21
DaemonFCThe SHO engine runs like shit on 87 octane.Sep 28 15:22
DaemonFCYou're supposed to use 89 or 92.Sep 28 15:22
Xan_Use 97/98 octane!Sep 28 15:22
DaemonFCSo I just use 87 and put a bit of E85 in it.Sep 28 15:22
DaemonFCit brings the octane rating up without adding a fortune.Sep 28 15:22
DaemonFCIt's not a flex fuel vehicle, but I seem to be getting away with using a little bit.Sep 28 15:23
Xan_Solar cars in the USA are too expensive unfortunately.Sep 28 15:23
Xan_Otherwise you're driving for free.Sep 28 15:23
DaemonFCIt also prevents the fuel line from freezing in the winter.Sep 28 15:23
DaemonFCSeveral years ago, it got so cold here that I couldn't get my car to start.Sep 28 15:23
Xan_>:Sep 28 15:24
DaemonFCSo I've been using a higher amount of E85 in the winter and it hasn't happened again.Sep 28 15:24
DaemonFCIt's just not possible to get good gas mileage without giving something else up.Sep 28 15:25
DaemonFCIf you want to drive around in a little bitty clown car then you can get 40 mpg.Sep 28 15:25
DaemonFCThat's why the Geo Metro is popular again.Sep 28 15:25
Xan_Fsh.Sep 28 15:25
DaemonFCThey haven't made them in more than 20 years, so people will buy ones that don't work for parts to keep theirs running.Sep 28 15:25
Xan_The old cars don't get as good MPG than new cars. You can get 50mpg in a brand new BMW 5 series, and that's a full-sized sedan.Sep 28 15:26
DaemonFCThe reason there are still so many gas guzzlers in the United States is because a lot of people (like me) just can't afford anything newer.Sep 28 15:26
DaemonFCBy the time I can afford a car, it's more than 10 years old.Sep 28 15:27
Xan_>: Aw.Sep 28 15:27
Xan_I'm poor, too!Sep 28 15:27
Xan_*Hugs*Sep 28 15:27
DaemonFCIn 1995 nobody cared about gas mileage because gas was less than a dollar per gallon.Sep 28 15:27
DaemonFCWell, I'll be getting a newer old car here in a while.Sep 28 15:28
DaemonFCI could probably afford a 2005-2006 Taurus by April or May.Sep 28 15:29
iophkhttp://www.gnu.org/help/Sep 28 15:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | Helping the GNU Project and the Free Software Movement - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationSep 28 15:29
DaemonFCI had a guy offer to sell me a 1999 Ford Explorer a while back.Sep 28 15:29
DaemonFCNobody wants those anymore because they get 19 mpg on the highway.Sep 28 15:30
Xan_Yeah, they're not too good.Sep 28 15:30
DaemonFCThe engine isn't that great either.Sep 28 15:31
DaemonFCYou'd think that the way it guzzles gas, it would be rated at something higher than 160 horsepower.Sep 28 15:31
Xan_That's not that good.Sep 28 15:32
DaemonFCI drove that 2004 Crown Victoria about 30 miles to take it to a mechanic I trusted.Sep 28 15:35
DaemonFCI left with a little under a quarter of a tank, and it was near E by the time I got here.Sep 28 15:35
DaemonFC:PSep 28 15:35
Xan_O_o; Hrm. That's not very good.Sep 28 15:35
DaemonFCThat was another reason I didn't buy it.Sep 28 15:36
DaemonFCIt would need over $1,000 worth of work that I know of.Sep 28 15:36
DaemonFCand it guzzles gas like there's no tomorrow.Sep 28 15:36
DaemonFCI'd be filling up the tank so often that I wouldn't be able to afford to drive it.Sep 28 15:36
Xan_>: Dang.Sep 28 15:37
MinceRyou could try old foreign cars, from places where gas wasn't so cheap 10 years ago :>Sep 28 15:39
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schestowitziophk: hiSep 28 15:51
schestowitzI need your helpSep 28 15:51
schestowitzWhat command did you say gets the list of installed packages and what command apt-gets all those packages on another PC? I am migrating to a laptop EVERYTHING.Sep 28 15:52
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/09/parallax-and-the-ios-7-wallpaper/Sep 28 16:58
iophkDoom used to make some people queasy, too.Sep 28 16:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Parallax and the iOS 7 Wallpaper - Wired Science  [ http://ur1.ca/fqt97 ]Sep 28 16:58
schestowitzhttp://iwtf.net/2010/01/05/list-backup-or-restore-installed-packages-on-debian-and-ubuntu/Sep 28 16:59
TechrightsBot-triwtf.net | List, backup or Restore installed packages on Debian and Ubuntu  «  InterWeb Task Force  [ http://ur1.ca/fqt9j ]Sep 28 16:59
MinceRdoom was a lot better than hypeOS will ever beSep 28 17:01
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DaemonFCMinceR, The DOOM pre-releases referred to it as the Doom Operating SystemSep 28 19:51
MinceRi think that was the old DOS extender they usedSep 28 19:51
DaemonFCThe joke being that they had to do so much because DOS wasn't really that useful by itself.Sep 28 19:51
MinceRwhich they replaced with DOS/4GW later, iircSep 28 19:52
DaemonFCYeah. I remember I always deleted the copy of Windows that came with a PC I owned because it was taking up valuable disk space.Sep 28 19:54
MinceR:)Sep 28 19:54
DaemonFCThe DOS versions of each program just tended to be alot better.Sep 28 19:54
iophkhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/09/27/bill-gates-it-would-be-great-if-our-education-stuff-worked-but/Sep 28 20:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Bill Gates: ‘It would be great if our education stuff worked but…’  [ http://ur1.ca/fqv77 ]Sep 28 20:00
DaemonFCAt least we got rid of one of his shills in the election last year.Sep 28 20:01
DaemonFCIndiana's superintendent of public instruction.Sep 28 20:01
MinceRDaemonFC: http://www.bonneville-experiment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/CIMG1690.jpgSep 28 20:02
DaemonFCKia finally designed a vehicle that's even less comfortable to ride in?Sep 28 20:04
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 20:04
MinceR:DSep 28 20:04
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schestowitz_log_migration to laptop sort of completeSep 28 20:36
schestowitz_log_and no major accidents so farSep 28 20:37
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_Goblinschestowitz, the benefits of the cloud...my chromebook, synced with all data/bookmarks in about 5 seconds once it was out of the box.Sep 28 20:39
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384039789198319616Sep 28 20:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Finally completing a belated migration to a new computer, after a third massive hardware failure in a month. Will be productive again soon.Sep 28 20:40
schestowitz_log__Goblin: that's not the issueSep 28 20:40
schestowitz_log_The data can be rsynced overSep 28 20:40
_GoblinAh..I just saw, hardware failureSep 28 20:40
schestowitz_log_the issues are different hereSep 28 20:40
schestowitz_log_yes, also on the SANSep 28 20:41
schestowitz_log_And my music player is bricked after I turned it into a live usbSep 28 20:41
_Goblinah :(Sep 28 20:41
schestowitz_log_I don't know how to format it now for the firmware to be happy with itSep 28 20:41
schestowitz_log_BTW, will you be up in manc any time soon?Sep 28 20:42
_Goblinive a usb adaptor for Microsd cards which I now use solely...Sep 28 20:42
_Gobliner...not in the immediate...Sep 28 20:42
_Goblinwas up in Durham a few weeks ago....Sep 28 20:42
_Goblinbut there's a little news here....Sep 28 20:42
schestowitz_log_maybe we'll come back to luton for a short visit this yearSep 28 20:42
_Goblinmay be moving.....Sep 28 20:43
schestowitz_log_city or house?Sep 28 20:43
_Goblinbut yes please do, we are looking at going in about 1 year.Sep 28 20:43
_GoblinNew city so to speak.....Sep 28 20:43
schestowitz_log_coolSep 28 20:43
_Goblinits a little bit further than BedfordshireSep 28 20:43
_Goblininfact its alot....Sep 28 20:43
schestowitz_log_if you come to manc you'll have free babysitters :-)Sep 28 20:43
_Goblin:)Sep 28 20:44
schestowitz_log_brbSep 28 20:44
_GoblinI'm taking early retirement from my job...Sep 28 20:44
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schestowitz_log_can you afford early retgirement at your age?Sep 28 21:05
schestowitz_log_Or is it just from this job?Sep 28 21:05
schestowitz_log_Also, speaking of which, a friend of mine who is 55 had his leaving do yesterdaySep 28 21:05
schestowitz_log_We were there in the pub with Clive, his wife is seriously illSep 28 21:05
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schestowitz_log_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3116969 "The zombie Harlan"Sep 28 21:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Nice one.  Via https://plus.google.com/u/0/111189215947987309841/posts/Y5qpXCk5nwnSep 28 21:35
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schestowitz_log_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113798Sep 28 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents http://techrights.org/2013/09/27/elop-trojan/ #elop #nokiaSep 28 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqw4v ]Sep 28 21:36
schestowitz_log_"Btw. Hilf is going to HP now."Sep 28 21:36
_Goblinschestowitz: Yes I can.Sep 28 21:41
_Goblin(afford early....Sep 28 21:41
_GoblinAlot has happened over the last few months.....Sep 28 21:42
_Goblinand I'm soon to be a published author...NOT self published I hasten to add.Sep 28 21:42
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_Goblinschestowitz, shame I didn't know about hilf a few weeks back, I could have held out for him to ruin the company for a Microsoft buyout then buy up a Chromebook from their redundant stock.Sep 28 21:48
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roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113576Sep 28 21:54
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Kwheezy 1.2 Review  http://www.navychristian.org/2013/09/kwheezy-12-review.htmlSep 28 21:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.navychristian.org | The Navy Christian: Kwheezy 1.2 Review  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwdg ]Sep 28 21:54
roy_"I already saw the screenshots of Kweezy 1.0.1 KDE at http://linuxscreenshot.netsons.org/kwheezy-1-0-1-kde/ a month ago, and I was already impressed. It looks very promising. It's also an "all-in package" like #PinguyOS. Perhaps I will install alongside. Thanks for the link to the 1.2 review."Sep 28 21:54
TechrightsBot-trlinuxscreenshot.netsons.org | Kwheezy 1.0.1 KDE | GNU/Linux Screenshot  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwdm ]Sep 28 21:54
roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113990Sep 28 21:55
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Aren't There Too Many Car Types and Brands? The Type of Question Apple/Microsoft Boosters Ask About GNU/Linux... http://techrights.org/2013/09/27/diversity-fud/Sep 28 21:55
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Aren’t There Too Many Car Types and Brands? The Type of Question Apple/Microsoft Boosters Ask About GNU/Linux… | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwds ]Sep 28 21:55
roy_"I do not agree with that! That's what I like about Linux. At least with Linux you have a choice. This can't be said about Crapsoft !!! And I won't even talk about that other OS: with that one you have no choice at all ! #Linux #freedom #pinguyos (Yes, I love Pinguy OS)."Sep 28 21:55
roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113993Sep 28 21:57
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Mir Adoption is InevitableSep 28 21:57
roy_"I do not agree with that! That's what I like about Linux. At least with Linux you have a choice. This can't be said about Crapsoft !!! And I won't even talk about that other OS: with that one you have no choice at all ! #Linux #freedom #pinguyos (Yes, I love Pinguy OS)."Sep 28 21:57
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Mir Adoption is Inevitable | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwf3 ]Sep 28 21:57
roy_On the other hand, given that Intel has jumped ship, it seems like Ubuntu is going to have a hard time keeping ahold of the market. Not to bash on Canonical, but their marketing and community relations are a real problem. There's no reason a private distro shouldn't be able to say "we're doing a lot of work in house, and we need fast adoption of changes, so we're rolling our own," but Canonical's messaging was all over the map, and as a Sep 28 21:58
roy_result they not only lost users, but developers and OEMs.Sep 28 21:58
roy_But as they say, the quality of the code is what matters-- maybe Mir will be so brilliantly written that adoption will be universal. But that's a fairly big if.Sep 28 21:58
roy_"Sep 28 21:58
_GoblinRoy I disagree that Windows doesn't give you choice....it comes in three different shades of sh%t....Vista, 7 or 8.Sep 28 21:58
_Goblinnow thats choice.Sep 28 21:58
roy_hehSep 28 21:59
roy_toilet bowl fragrancesSep 28 21:59
roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113584Sep 28 22:00
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Maxthon Web Browser Gets Linux Support http://linuxg.net/the-maxthon-web-browser-gets-linux-support/ it's the trend now. #gnu #linuxSep 28 22:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxg.net | The Maxthon Web Browser Gets Linux Support | LinuxG.net  [ http://ur1.ca/fqwfu ]Sep 28 22:00
roy_"Maxthon its shit,really. Cloud-like shit. One good - two engine(webkit and gecko)" "@Alex I used it for some time. It's just weird.'Sep 28 22:00
roy_"Or its now open sources?"Sep 28 22:00
_Goblinroy_, its more than a fragrance, its a physical manifestation of its metaphorical form.Sep 28 22:00
DaemonFCIt looks like I'll be stuck with this computer for several more years.Sep 28 22:02
DaemonFCReplacing it is just not in the budget.Sep 28 22:02
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DaemonFCI guess there's really no reason to replace it.Sep 28 22:03
DaemonFCFedora still runs as well on it as it ever has.Sep 28 22:03
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DaemonFCMost of the games on Steam are ports from tablets or are several years old.Sep 28 22:03
_GoblinYep....I can't see what the excitement is about.... The games that I like are ones I've already played for years.Sep 28 22:04
_Goblinits great its for Linux and all.....Sep 28 22:04
DaemonFCI do "surveys" while I'm in the middle of watching a movie or something.Sep 28 22:05
_Goblinbut really?  It's a little like me coming up to you and taking you out for a 5 star meal....that was prepared 5 years ago..... Bit of a double edged sword.Sep 28 22:05
DaemonFCIt's hilarious really. All I do is tick things at random and hit next, and they pay me.Sep 28 22:05
DaemonFCIt covers my internet bill.Sep 28 22:05
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 22:05
_Goblina little like the homer scene where he used a toy to do his job for him.Sep 28 22:05
DaemonFCyeah, he had that bird that just kept clicking YESSep 28 22:06
_Goblin"Press any key"....."Wheres the any key?"Sep 28 22:06
DaemonFCthe one that caused the nuclear meltdownSep 28 22:06
_Goblinonly because it fell over.Sep 28 22:06
_Goblinit was doing a good job up until thenSep 28 22:06
DaemonFCI don't see anything unethical about fucking over their data that they collect.Sep 28 22:06
DaemonFCIt's really only screwing over their marketing/advertising dataSep 28 22:07
DaemonFCI hate those people anyway.Sep 28 22:07
_GoblinCould be worse.....Sep 28 22:08
DaemonFCOn one survey I think I told them that I was a senior vice president for a major information technology company who was in charge of the employee retirement accounts.Sep 28 22:08
DaemonFCThey paid me $10 for that one.Sep 28 22:08
_GoblinEr...isn't there a law governing this sort of thing?Sep 28 22:09
DaemonFCI don't think so.Sep 28 22:09
_GoblinI mean creatively you are doing well.....legally, is that not fraud?Sep 28 22:09
DaemonFCMaybe.Sep 28 22:09
_Goblinin the UK it would be "Obtaining a pecuniary advantage" - Part of the Fraud act.Sep 28 22:10
DaemonFCIn the US, we had a woman who got her "degree" from a mail order diploma mill.Sep 28 22:10
DaemonFCThey even put her in charge of IT at the department of homeland security.Sep 28 22:10
DaemonFCShe was making $400,000 a year and had no idea what she was doing.Sep 28 22:11
DaemonFCManaged to float around various government positions for like 10 years before anyone figured it out.Sep 28 22:11
DaemonFCWhen they did, they put her on paid leave for a year and she eventually resigned.Sep 28 22:11
DaemonFCNo charges were ever filed.Sep 28 22:11
_GoblinI wouldn't know about US law...Sep 28 22:12
MinceRhttp://9gag.com/gag/aEwxR19Sep 28 22:12
TechrightsBot-tr9gag.com | 9GAG - Car pool laneSep 28 22:12
DaemonFCMinceR, Yes, the old "inflatable sex doll in the passenger seat" ruse.Sep 28 22:12
MinceRlook closer :>Sep 28 22:12
DaemonFChmmmSep 28 22:13
MinceRit's a more literal "pool" :>Sep 28 22:13
DaemonFCI guess I'd rather be on the other side of those K rails.Sep 28 22:13
DaemonFC:)Sep 28 22:13
MinceR:>Sep 28 22:13
DaemonFC_Goblin, But as MinceR and I can attest to....Sep 28 22:14
DaemonFCGovernments don't really care how much they waste.Sep 28 22:14
DaemonFCThey can always take more.Sep 28 22:14
DaemonFCI don't think there's anything left that the Indiana state government doesn't tax, except for some groceries and prescription medications.Sep 28 22:15
DaemonFCIt's kind of odd that they tax fast food.Sep 28 22:16
DaemonFCThere's a Subway restaurant in the Walmart.Sep 28 22:16
DaemonFCYou get a sandwich there, they tax it.Sep 28 22:16
DaemonFCYou go 20 feet over and grab a sub from the Walmart deli, and there's no tax.Sep 28 22:16
DaemonFCI don't see what the big difference is (for tax purposes) between fast food and food prepared in the deli of a supermarket.Sep 28 22:17
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_GoblinDaemonFC, the difference in their mind would be...more people buy fast food...more money...a little bit like the price wars, when something isn't as popular its cheap to hook you in...then when it is....hit everyone with increase.Sep 28 22:25
sebsebseb_Goblin: Stallman streamSep 28 22:25
sebsebsebcome watch itSep 28 22:25
sebsebseb30th annniverys live celebraitonSep 28 22:25
sebsebsebstream just came now, but back now :dSep 28 22:25
sebsebsebjustwent downSep 28 22:25
sebsebseb,but back nowSep 28 22:25
_Goblinah...I'll shift over there shortly.Sep 28 22:25
MinceRhttp://www.well.com/~bubbles/PD_MenuScreen.htmlSep 28 22:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.well.com | Putri-DOS Menu Screen  [ http://ur1.ca/fqws1 ]Sep 28 22:29
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/09/why-free-software-is-more-important-now-than-ever-before/Sep 29 08:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Why Free Software Is More Important Now Than Ever Before | Wired Opinion | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fqz9v ]Sep 29 08:56
iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/lavabit-snowden-pen-register/Sep 29 09:06
iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/boyce-qa/Sep 29 09:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Feds Targeted Snowden's Email Provider the Day After NSA Whistleblower Went Public | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fr4ph ]Sep 29 09:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Ex-Spy Christopher Boyce on Snowden, WikiLeaks, and NSA Backdoors | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fr4pi ]Sep 29 09:06
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/bypassing-oversight-nsa-collects-details-on-american-connections/Sep 29 09:12
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Bypassing oversight, NSA collects details on American connections | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fr4rl ]Sep 29 09:12
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oiaohmhttp://science.slashdot.org/story/13/09/28/1527236/first-cases-of-flesh-eating-drug-emerge-in-the-united-states yes this is eep.Sep 29 11:02

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