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DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdMSG=addedToThread&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx2LBHQWIAGK47D&newContentID=Mx2IMVPOG3G0RWD&newContentNum=2#CustomerDiscussionsNRPBSep 30 02:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Democrats are terrorists - they are killing babies and flying planes into buildings!  [ http://ur1.ca/frhbo ]Sep 30 02:22
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 02:22
DaemonFCI crashed a plane several times.Sep 30 02:22
DaemonFCI learned that Flight Simulator is just not the video game for me. Sep 30 02:22
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DaemonFCThey finally rebuilt the Nvidia package.Sep 30 04:18
DaemonFCI'm still booting the 3.10.11 kernel because there was no Nvidia update for 3.11 until now.Sep 30 04:18
JimmyCartereclipse build hell day 2Sep 30 04:19
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 06:16
DaemonFCThat's why they're fighting Country Of Origin Labels so hard. Nobody wants to eat food that comes from a country where they routinely have rivers catching fire, thousands of dead pigs floating down the river, rivers that turn red, and which supply us with pet food that kills dogs and cats.Sep 30 06:16
DaemonFCTheir solution is not to make the food safer, it's to make it impossible to figure out where the food came from. Sep 30 06:16
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MinceR> do you know why so many hipsters use apple productsSep 30 06:39
MinceR> because they heard that Steve Jobs is really undergroundSep 30 06:39
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 07:08
DaemonFCThe funding bill that the Republicans passed yesterday boils down to "Give us everything we've wanted for the last five years and we promise there won't be any more shenanigans until December.". Sep 30 07:08
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iophkhttp://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3471145/rights-groups-plan-anti-nsa-surveillance-rally-in-dc/Sep 30 09:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworlduk.com | Rights groups plan anti-NSA surveillance rally in D.C. - ComputerworldUK.com  [ http://ur1.ca/froqv ]Sep 30 09:56
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/how-can-somebody-who-loves-culture-possibly-defend-the-copyright-monopoly-130929/Sep 30 09:58
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | How Can Somebody Who Loves Culture Possibly Defend The Copyright Monopoly? | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/frosx ]Sep 30 09:58
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iophkhttp://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200997/Qamp_A_Understanding_the_future_of_Linux_game_development.phpSep 30 10:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.gamasutra.com | Gamasutra - Q&A: Understanding the future of Linux game development  [ http://ur1.ca/froyu ]Sep 30 10:05
MinceRgeekingsSep 30 10:08
DaemonFCAnother wonderful morning in the land of "gee, wouldn't it be nice if I had some money to spend but I don't".Sep 30 10:43
DaemonFCI had to rush through the kitchen cleaning shit up because a water line under my sink broke again and I need to ask the maintenance person to fix it, again.Sep 30 10:44
DaemonFCOh well. At least now it smells like swiffer spray instead of "Oh my god, what the hell is that smell?".Sep 30 10:45
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2000-Hyundai-Sonata-4dr_Sdn_GLS_V6_Manual-Columbia_City-IN/2087982163Sep 30 10:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2000 Hyundai Sonata for sale in Columbia City - KMHWF35V9YA297382 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/frq72 ]Sep 30 10:55
DaemonFCWell, I'd look further into that except that it has a manual transmission.Sep 30 10:55
*DaemonFC sighs.Sep 30 10:55
*DaemonFC wants to go back to when $2,000 would get you something better than a 1997 Taurus with 200,000 miles on it.Sep 30 10:55
DaemonFCAs if there weren't already enough ways to get distracted and have an accident, just throw in a manual transmission.Sep 30 10:56
DaemonFCThen remember that as soon as the idiot in the H2 cuts in front of you without signaling that you need to downshift while braking.Sep 30 10:57
DaemonFCAdd to that that I have no experience at all driving a stick, I'd just be bouncing around all over the place grinding gears.Sep 30 10:57
DaemonFCMinceR, You haven't seen the way people drive in Fort Wayne and Indianapolis.Sep 30 10:58
DaemonFCIt's suicide on a good day.Sep 30 10:58
DaemonFCI remember when I had to drive through Indy once a week, and I always waited until late at night so there wouldn't be too many other people on I-465.Sep 30 10:59
DaemonFCDuring the daytime it's like bumper to bumper at 90 miles an hour.Sep 30 10:59
DaemonFCBring a change of underwear.Sep 30 10:59
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Freestar_Wagon-4dr_SEL-Columbia_City-IN/2065800953Sep 30 11:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2004 Ford Freestar Wagon for sale in Columbia City - 2FMZA52244BB20397 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/fp8zy ]Sep 30 11:03
DaemonFCI got hit by one of these back in 2002.Sep 30 11:03
DaemonFCI was driving a 1995 Chevy Lumina, and the guy in the PT Cruiser was drunk.Sep 30 11:04
DaemonFCHe had had his license taken away, which has never stopped anyone from driving.Sep 30 11:04
DaemonFCSo he decided to go to the bar in his daughter's brand new PT Cruiser.Sep 30 11:04
DaemonFCHe ran a stop light, T-boned my car at about 60 miles an hour.Sep 30 11:04
DaemonFCThe entire front end of the PT Cruiser was gone.Sep 30 11:04
DaemonFCThe police came out and arrested him.Sep 30 11:05
DaemonFCHis insurance company told me that they'd pay me $2,800 and total my car, then take it to an auction.Sep 30 11:05
DaemonFCI said "Uhhh, no. You give me the $2,800 and I'll keep the car."Sep 30 11:05
DaemonFCSo I did.Sep 30 11:05
DaemonFCand I went out to a junkyard and got two new doors and installed them.Sep 30 11:06
DaemonFCCost me all of $150.Sep 30 11:06
DaemonFCSo after I fixed it, I sold it and got $2,000 out of the Lumina.Sep 30 11:07
DaemonFCWent and bought a nicer car.Sep 30 11:07
DaemonFCI was satisfied. But it goes to show you why you don't want an itty bitty clown car.Sep 30 11:08
DaemonFCIf I'd been driving one of those clown cars, he probably would have killed my passenger and maybe even me too.Sep 30 11:08
DaemonFCWe both walked away from that. They offered to take us to the hospital, but there wasn't a scratch on either of us.Sep 30 11:08
DaemonFCI don't think I'd want a PT Cruiser because if the guy was going any faster, he'd have been crushed to death.Sep 30 11:10
DaemonFCand they have transmission problemsSep 30 11:10
DaemonFCbut that's Chrysler for youSep 30 11:10
DaemonFCI'm kind of leaning towards getting a minivan next time.Sep 30 11:11
DaemonFCI used to have a station wagon and when I was traveling, I saved so much money on motel rooms.Sep 30 11:12
DaemonFCI'd just pull over at a truck stop and sleep in the back.Sep 30 11:12
DaemonFCIt was quite spacious.Sep 30 11:12
iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/edward-snowden-leaks-misguided-cyber-attacksSep 30 11:16
iophkhttp://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-is-not-a-whistleblower-2013-9Sep 30 11:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Edward Snowden's leaks are misguided – they risk exposing us to cyber-attacks | David Omand | Comment is free | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/frqm0 ]Sep 30 11:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessinsider.com | Edward Snowden Is Not A Whistleblower - Business Insider  [ http://ur1.ca/frqm2 ]Sep 30 11:16
iophkmore attacks against the messengerSep 30 11:16
DaemonFCPiece of shit car... I gotta piece of shit car. Piece of shit car. It never gets me very faaar. Seven different colors. ****ing rag for a gas cap. Sails by making sparks fly everywhere... *puts it on Craigslist* *asks $3,000*Sep 30 11:18
DaemonFCI wonder if there's a name for what's wrong with people these days.Sep 30 11:19
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4098456815.htmlSep 30 11:24
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 01 cavalier 5speed 109xxx miles  [ http://ur1.ca/frqs3 ]Sep 30 11:24
DaemonFC"taillights went out"Sep 30 11:24
DaemonFCOh those aren't important....Sep 30 11:24
DaemonFCIt's just illegal to drive it like that.Sep 30 11:24
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/09/30/another-monopoly-bites-the-dust/Sep 30 11:25
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Another Monopoly Bites The Dust  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/frqtd ]Sep 30 11:25
MinceR115855 < DaemonFC> It's suicide on a good day.Sep 30 11:30
MinceRsame as budapest, then?Sep 30 11:30
DaemonFCI've never driven there.Sep 30 11:32
DaemonFCDo you guys drive on the left?Sep 30 11:32
DaemonFCIf so, you might need to be more afraid of me.Sep 30 11:33
prurigroiophk: lol, nice propaganda piece re: businessinsiderSep 30 11:33
MinceRno, on the rightSep 30 11:35
MinceRsort ofSep 30 11:35
MinceRsometimes in the middle, sometimes really slowly in the fast laneSep 30 11:35
DaemonFCSo like the drunk people on Friday night in Fort Wayne.Sep 30 11:36
iophkprurigro: yeah it had to be pointed out.  I guess that's an indicator that the current documents are important.  The mainstream news has all but stopped covering them howeverSep 30 11:45
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/french-gendarmerie-open-source-desktop-lowers-tco-40Sep 30 11:46
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%" | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/frr6p ]Sep 30 11:46
iophkI'm not sure why the Gendarmerie takes so long.  I would have thought that 12 months would be enough time to make the transition.Sep 30 11:46
prurigroI thought the guardian was still releasing them as greenwald wrote associated storeis?Sep 30 11:47
iophkYes, they have been.   But note that the other complaint was published via The Guardian as well.Sep 30 11:47
iophkI guess it's fine to have other points of view from time to time.Sep 30 11:47
iophkBut really they don't have much of a leg to stand on.Sep 30 11:48
prurigroword, is "comment is free" considered on the same level as the rest of the guardian? the article seemed closer to an editorialSep 30 11:49
iophkPublications seem to mix the two freely these days.Sep 30 11:50
iophkA good while back, editorials were clearly labeled as such.Sep 30 11:50
prurigro"Articles (like the talkboards until their sudden closure on 25 February 2011) accept comments without pre-moderation, although posts on Comment is Free are moderated after the event. All now require registration for comments."Sep 30 11:50
prurigrothat's re: comment is freeSep 30 11:51
prurigrosounds like something you could post a story to, if you wantedSep 30 11:51
prurigroor wait, comments... I might have misunderstoodSep 30 11:52
prurigrohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theguardian.com#Comment_is_free <-- ahh, there's the full deal; looks like it's full on opinionnews, regardless of the submission methodSep 30 11:52
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | theguardian.com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/frraj ]Sep 30 11:52
iophkRequiring registration is a way to prevent anonymous comments.  I figure that is the goal.  Sep 30 11:53
iophkYes, I see now.  "Comment is Free" is editorial.Sep 30 11:54
prurigroit seems like a lot of spots recently have been removing comment sections, on a side noteSep 30 11:54
iophkThe way it's presented confuses it with the real reporting.  I suppose that is intentional.Sep 30 11:54
prurigroyeah, you'd think they'd have something other than "... but facts are sacred" to explain themselves lolSep 30 11:55
DaemonFCFox News got rid of their comment section a long time ago.Sep 30 12:44
DaemonFCSpineless bullshitters don't like it when they get called out immediately.Sep 30 12:44
prurigroDaemonFC: considering the comments sections of most newspapers, I'm surprised commenters wouldn't feel right at home at FOXSep 30 12:44
iophkhttps://www.gnu.org/philosophy/microsoft-old.htmlSep 30 12:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | Is Microsoft the Great Satan? (Old Version) - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/frslx ]Sep 30 12:56
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384657515260444672Sep 30 13:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Uploaded photos from early Sept. http://t.co/tF0n1SOOpKSep 30 13:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | Autumn in ManchesterSep 30 13:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384656970546155520Sep 30 13:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Challenge accepted http://t.co/XBVTnb17WbSep 30 13:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384656891038924800Sep 30 13:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%" https://t.co/cxywcgiUZa #franceSep 30 13:54
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113798Sep 30 14:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents http://techrights.org/2013/09/27/elop-trojan/ #elop #nokiaSep 30 14:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqw4v ]Sep 30 14:20
schestowitz'Just watch as he implements strategies that make them further tank, before getting bought by Microsoft and him moving on to the next victim."Sep 30 14:20
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3118249Sep 30 14:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Finally completing a belated migration to a new computer, after a third massive hardware failure in a month. Will be productive again soon.Sep 30 14:20
schestowitz"I moved to kmail2 in KDE 4.10 and it's a huge mess of database crazy."Sep 30 14:20
schestowitz"'Roy, I get this message on techrights.org: Error establishing a database connection'"Sep 30 14:21
schestowitzYesterday there was downtime in the morningSep 30 14:21
msbI keep telling y'all that KDE4 is evil!Sep 30 14:25
MinceRand i agreeSep 30 14:28
DaemonFCI switched to GNOME.Sep 30 14:29
schestowitzhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc8w9bdf2Q1ruk50oo1_400.jpgSep 30 14:29
DaemonFCWith some extensions, it's not so bad.Sep 30 14:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384671747167248384Sep 30 14:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: A wall mural in Poland https://t.co/4woKMexU1QSep 30 14:32
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=3&cdThread=Tx15CNJN3OP838Y&newContentID=Mx3LWQJZRF4S2HU&newContentNum=61#MxVWTFBVPB4WPTSep 30 14:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Chinese chicken nuggets?  [ http://ur1.ca/fruk2 ]Sep 30 14:38
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 14:38
DaemonFCWhy did the chicken cross the ocean?Sep 30 14:38
DaemonFCTo get some melamine to the other side. Sep 30 14:38
MinceRi switched to XFCE and OpenboxSep 30 14:44
DaemonFCWell, I considered it.Sep 30 14:44
DaemonFCI might even do it at some point.Sep 30 14:45
DaemonFCWhy Openbox?Sep 30 14:45
MinceRi was planning to try XFCE+FluxboxSep 30 14:45
DaemonFCIt's not that much lighter than xfwm4.Sep 30 14:45
MinceRi didn't like xfwm4 so muchSep 30 14:45
MinceRopenbox is easy to set up with xfceSep 30 14:46
DaemonFCI've always thought xfwm4 was one of the better parts of Xfce.Sep 30 14:46
MinceRi'm not sure, but it might have been the lack of an undecorate optionSep 30 14:46
DaemonFCAnything is better than kwin these days.Sep 30 14:46
MinceRor something like thatSep 30 14:46
DaemonFCA window manager shouldn't be using 150+ MB of RAM.Sep 30 14:46
DaemonFCIt got really bad in KDE 4.10Sep 30 14:49
DaemonFCsomewhere around thereSep 30 14:49
MinceRit got bad at 4.0Sep 30 14:57
msbBest is  OpenSuse -- still has choice of KDE3.Sep 30 14:58
MinceR#! with XFCE is betterSep 30 15:02
oiaohmReally I have more ram that I need.Sep 30 15:04
oiaohmSo KDE is not bad.Sep 30 15:04
oiaohmOther than the O my god wrong warpped.Sep 30 15:05
oiaohmmy current kmix is using over 1.3 G of ram.Sep 30 15:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: I am on KDE 4.10.5Sep 30 15:07
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes there is something really really wrong with kmix in KDE 4.10.5Sep 30 15:08
iophkanything to distract from the cause of the problem -- software patents -- http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/ftc-publishes-a-long-list-of-questions-it-wants-to-ask-patent-trolls/Sep 30 15:08
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | FTC publishes a long list of questions it wants to ask “patent trolls” | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/frv4l ]Sep 30 15:08
oiaohmiophk: patent trolls exist for patents that are not software patents.Sep 30 15:09
oiaohmiophk: there is a need for anti-troll regulation.Sep 30 15:09
iophkmost of the worst trolls would vanish without software patents, from what I gather.Sep 30 15:10
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-the-gop-flunks-hostage-taking-101/2013/09/30/43a4ff00-29d2-11e3-97a3-ff2758228523_story.htmlSep 30 15:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Marc Thiessen: The GOP flunks Hostage Taking 101 - The Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/frv5k ]Sep 30 15:10
oiaohmiophk: for the most number of deaths it the patent trolls in the medical/phamasuticals trade.Sep 30 15:10
oiaohmiophk: is the worsetSep 30 15:11
iophkPharma patents are probably why there are no new antibiotics in the works.  There is not as much return on investment for curing.Sep 30 15:12
msbKDE3 kmix uses 3MB + 10MB shared.Sep 30 15:12
iophkLong-term pill use is where the money is at.Sep 30 15:12
oiaohmmsb: there is a leak in kmixSep 30 15:12
oiaohmmsb: after restarting it it back to under 22meg total with kde.Sep 30 15:12
oiaohmmsb: please note I am 64bit.Sep 30 15:12
msbMine's been running for 5 weeks.Sep 30 15:13
oiaohmmsb: mine had been up for 2 and half months.Sep 30 15:14
msband leaked 1300MB?Sep 30 15:14
oiaohmLeaked to 1300MB yes.Sep 30 15:15
oiaohmIts my worst KDE memory problem at the moment.Sep 30 15:15
oiaohm4.10.5 other than kmix I have not seen any other leaks.Sep 30 15:16
msbYou'd think those hot shits, er, shots would have fixed that by now.Sep 30 15:17
MinceR:)Sep 30 15:18
oiaohmmsb they fixed worse.Sep 30 15:19
msbHave they fixed the virtual-desktop pager applet so you can see the desktop names?Sep 30 15:19
msbLast I looked, the idiot window outlines in each button hid the name.Sep 30 15:20
oiaohmI use activities.   I would guess no.Sep 30 15:22
oiaohmmsb: the memory leaks in kwin and other parts are fixed.Sep 30 15:22
msbAnd there's no one-click pager for activities, right?Sep 30 15:24
schestowitzhttp://www.policestateusa.com/2013/has-the-u-s-government-used-its-microwave/Sep 30 15:25
TechrightsBot-trwww.policestateusa.com | Army document describes technology that can transmit a voice into someone's head | Police State USA  [ http://ur1.ca/frvgi ]Sep 30 15:25
msbKDE4 was designed to fuck up Linux on behalf of Microsoft.Sep 30 15:26
oiaohmmsb: there is the activies bar.Sep 30 15:27
msbdoes that show the name of each activity and goes to it with one click?  Sep 30 15:27
oiaohmmsb: yes it does.Sep 30 15:28
oiaohmmsb: but I normally go for the 2 step.Sep 30 15:28
msbwhy?Sep 30 15:28
oiaohmthe 3 dot activives button brings up like a menu.Sep 30 15:29
oiaohmIt has a create a new activiely button.Sep 30 15:29
oiaohmAlso it exposes the stop activity and delete activity.Sep 30 15:30
oiaohmmsb: I find the stop activity handy.  Everything in that activity stops.Sep 30 15:30
msbProper Linux programs don't  use any cpu when you're not using them.Sep 30 15:31
oiaohmmsb: I likely to have programs rendering and building stuff in background.Sep 30 15:32
msbSure, so?Sep 30 15:33
oiaohmSo I find the stop button great.   It does not kill the applications it pauses them.Sep 30 15:33
oiaohmmsb: I am basically finding the activies suit me better than the page did.Sep 30 15:34
msbGood, then.Sep 30 15:36
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3118249Sep 30 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Finally completing a belated migration to a new computer, after a third massive hardware failure in a month. Will be productive again soon.Sep 30 15:51
schestowitz"ok, thnx. I can reach the site now :D ."Sep 30 15:51
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DaemonFCI'm going through a grocery catch up week.Sep 30 17:23
DaemonFCForcing myself to eat all the extra stuff I bought without making a major grocery trip.Sep 30 17:23
DaemonFC:PSep 30 17:23
*DaemonFC has to remember to do better next time. Eating some weird meals.Sep 30 17:23
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DaemonFCCar salesman called.Sep 30 18:17
DaemonFCOffered to knock another $200 off that Crown Vic if I was interested.Sep 30 18:17
DaemonFCThat car was in bad shape.Sep 30 18:18
DaemonFCJust from what my mechanic listed, I'd be in for $1,200 of repairs right away and he said that the transmission fluid looked like coffee.Sep 30 18:18
DaemonFCSo the transmission could be next.Sep 30 18:18
DaemonFCI'm not willing to risk $3,600 on a car that will probably need a transmission rebuild next.Sep 30 18:19
DaemonFCPeople do some terrible things to their cars.Sep 30 18:19
DaemonFCThat would have ran for another 10 years if the last owner has just taken care of it.Sep 30 18:19
DaemonFC*hadSep 30 18:19
DaemonFCGee, it's only a $30,000 machine. Why would you ever want to maintain it? :PSep 30 18:20
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DaemonFChttp://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/09/30/gridlock-may-force-congress-to-take-down-its-own-website/Sep 30 18:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.foxnews.com | Gridlock may force Congress to take down its own website | Fox News  [ http://ur1.ca/frzim ]Sep 30 18:54
DaemonFClolSep 30 18:54
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sebsebseb Sep 30 20:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: meh, cars..Sep 30 20:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: buy cats, not carsSep 30 20:27
schestowitzhttp://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/digital-natural-thousands-ict-experts-expected-lithuaniaSep 30 20:31
schestowitz"A pretty cool video - promoting ICT 2013 in just over a month: where over 4000 researchers and other professionals will gather in Lithuania to hear inspirational speeches, check out EU research and innovation funding opportunities, and see some of Europe's most far-reaching and innovative ideas."Sep 30 20:31
TechrightsBot-trec.europa.eu | Digital is natural - thousands of ICT experts expected in Lithuania - European Commission  [ http://ur1.ca/fs1f1 ]Sep 30 20:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, Yeah.Sep 30 20:45
DaemonFCCars.Sep 30 20:45
DaemonFCThey're not the best way to get around. They're just the only way to get around.Sep 30 20:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: DaemonFC hmm Open SUSeSep 30 20:47
DaemonFCThousands of unreliable parts built by corner cutting Ford engineers, operating in perfect harmony to......cause the vehicle to malfunction starting right after the warranty ends and making sure you never have any money.Sep 30 20:47
DaemonFCBadfinger - Straight Up (1971) FLAC/02. Baby Blue.flacSep 30 20:49
DaemonFCB-)Sep 30 20:49
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*DaemonFC had to get this because of Breaking Bad.Sep 30 20:50
DaemonFC:PSep 30 20:50
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sebsebsebSosumi: hmm Open SuseSep 30 20:52
DaemonFCWhoever ripped this totally fucked it up.Sep 30 20:52
Sosumino noSep 30 20:52
Sosumiso sue meSep 30 20:52
sebsebsebSosumi: yeah yeah Open Suse hmmSep 30 20:53
sebsebsebSosumi: seems may have to have it at ths eventSep 30 20:53
sebsebsebhmmSep 30 20:53
*sebsebseb doesn't really care that much what distros are there as long as Mageia is in :)Sep 30 20:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, I was talking to my mom the other day. Said I was looking up common problems on the Ford Focus, because I was considering buying one.Sep 30 20:53
DaemonFCTurns out that Ford cheaped out on a part of the coolant system and made it out of ABS plastic to save $20, and it turns out that that part commonly fails and causes a rapid coolant leak.Sep 30 20:54
DaemonFCShe said she had the same problem on her Impala.Sep 30 20:54
DaemonFCThree times.Sep 30 20:54
DaemonFCSo it's not just the economy cars they're doing this stuff with anymore.Sep 30 20:54
Sosumiwhy not just buy a nice european car?Sep 30 20:55
DaemonFCI just want a car that goes for a few years between expensive repairs.Sep 30 20:56
DaemonFCThis Taurus can't decide if it wants to kill itself or kill me.Sep 30 20:56
Sosumi^^Sep 30 20:56
DaemonFCI had the brake lines rot out and leak out all my brake fluid last month.Sep 30 20:56
DaemonFCIt was all I could do to hit the emergency brake before hitting the side of a building and cracking my front bumper.Sep 30 20:56
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DaemonFCI was LUCKY that didn't happen while I was on an off ramp from the interstate.Sep 30 20:57
DaemonFCI could have very well been going 70 miles an hour into a K rail.Sep 30 20:57
DaemonFCOh btw, NEVER EVER take your car to Monro.Sep 30 20:57
DaemonFCThey told me they inspected the entire brake system on my car last year and didn't find any problems.Sep 30 20:58
DaemonFCAlso lucky I didn't hit a person or another vehicle.Sep 30 20:59
DaemonFCOr my insurance rate probably would have gone through the roof and there would be no driving anything at all for the next three years.Sep 30 20:59
DaemonFCWell, I also could have killed someone else.Sep 30 21:00
DaemonFCThen it's vehicular manslaughter, even if it wasn't technically your fault.Sep 30 21:00
DaemonFCThen you go to prison for a year.Sep 30 21:00
DaemonFCIt's not that I don't maintain the car, but those things tend to happen suddenly and without warning.Sep 30 21:01
Sosumithat's just plain badSep 30 21:13
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MinceRhttp://31.media.tumblr.com/1d28b0c86dcad0d93d18d9f7e66daf5c/tumblr_mtvyufKkf91qzag1wo1_r1_500.pngSep 30 22:03
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Sosumibing is only good for pron searchesSep 30 22:56
Sosumior so I heardSep 30 22:56
MinceR:)Sep 30 22:57
MinceRsomeone you know told you? :>Sep 30 22:57
Sosuminop, read it somewhere on zee internet some time agoSep 30 22:58
Sosumiand so I was looking into MIT opencourseware for some guidance in the realms of math analysisSep 30 23:06
Sosumibut look at what I foundSep 30 23:07
Sosumiunder societySep 30 23:07
SosumiWomen's StudiesSep 30 23:07
Sosumilol what a jokeSep 30 23:08
Sosumibut there's no "men's studies" thereSep 30 23:10
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Sosumiso much for that equalitySep 30 23:10
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Sosumi*facepalm*Sep 30 23:10
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DaemonFCFrom the company that brought you Bing It On, it's Bing My Teenage Daughter.Sep 30 23:19
DaemonFCMinceR, I'll bet it will be even better when there's a Download to Zune button.Sep 30 23:20
MinceRlolSep 30 23:20
MinceR"I Binged Your Mom"Sep 30 23:20
MinceR"I Binged Up My Search Engine"Sep 30 23:21
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Sosuminot that I actually like googleSep 30 23:32
Sosumibut "Because It's Not Google" I tend to use googleSep 30 23:32
MinceRi use startpage or ddg for that :>Sep 30 23:39
Sosumifor the privacy issues?Sep 30 23:39
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Sosumi*becauseSep 30 23:42
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ANOTHER SOURCE:
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 01:16
DaemonFCThat's why they're fighting Country Of Origin Labels so hard. Nobody wants to eat food that comes from a country where they routinely have rivers catching fire, thousands of dead pigs floating down the river, rivers that turn red, and which supply us with pet food that kills dogs and cats.Sep 30 01:16
DaemonFCTheir solution is not to make the food safer, it's to make it impossible to figure out where the food came from. Sep 30 01:16
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MinceR> do you know why so many hipsters use apple productsSep 30 01:39
MinceR> because they heard that Steve Jobs is really undergroundSep 30 01:39
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 02:08
DaemonFCThe funding bill that the Republicans passed yesterday boils down to "Give us everything we've wanted for the last five years and we promise there won't be any more shenanigans until December.". Sep 30 02:08
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iophkhttp://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3471145/rights-groups-plan-anti-nsa-surveillance-rally-in-dc/Sep 30 04:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworlduk.com | Rights groups plan anti-NSA surveillance rally in D.C. - ComputerworldUK.com  [ http://ur1.ca/froqv ]Sep 30 04:56
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/how-can-somebody-who-loves-culture-possibly-defend-the-copyright-monopoly-130929/Sep 30 04:58
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | How Can Somebody Who Loves Culture Possibly Defend The Copyright Monopoly? | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/frosx ]Sep 30 04:58
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iophkhttp://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200997/Qamp_A_Understanding_the_future_of_Linux_game_development.phpSep 30 05:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.gamasutra.com | Gamasutra - Q&A: Understanding the future of Linux game development  [ http://ur1.ca/froyu ]Sep 30 05:05
MinceRgeekingsSep 30 05:08
DaemonFCAnother wonderful morning in the land of "gee, wouldn't it be nice if I had some money to spend but I don't".Sep 30 05:43
DaemonFCI had to rush through the kitchen cleaning shit up because a water line under my sink broke again and I need to ask the maintenance person to fix it, again.Sep 30 05:44
DaemonFCOh well. At least now it smells like swiffer spray instead of "Oh my god, what the hell is that smell?".Sep 30 05:45
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2000-Hyundai-Sonata-4dr_Sdn_GLS_V6_Manual-Columbia_City-IN/2087982163Sep 30 05:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2000 Hyundai Sonata for sale in Columbia City - KMHWF35V9YA297382 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/frq72 ]Sep 30 05:55
DaemonFCWell, I'd look further into that except that it has a manual transmission.Sep 30 05:55
*DaemonFC sighs.Sep 30 05:55
*DaemonFC wants to go back to when $2,000 would get you something better than a 1997 Taurus with 200,000 miles on it.Sep 30 05:55
DaemonFCAs if there weren't already enough ways to get distracted and have an accident, just throw in a manual transmission.Sep 30 05:56
DaemonFCThen remember that as soon as the idiot in the H2 cuts in front of you without signaling that you need to downshift while braking.Sep 30 05:57
DaemonFCAdd to that that I have no experience at all driving a stick, I'd just be bouncing around all over the place grinding gears.Sep 30 05:57
DaemonFCMinceR, You haven't seen the way people drive in Fort Wayne and Indianapolis.Sep 30 05:58
DaemonFCIt's suicide on a good day.Sep 30 05:58
DaemonFCI remember when I had to drive through Indy once a week, and I always waited until late at night so there wouldn't be too many other people on I-465.Sep 30 05:59
DaemonFCDuring the daytime it's like bumper to bumper at 90 miles an hour.Sep 30 05:59
DaemonFCBring a change of underwear.Sep 30 05:59
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Freestar_Wagon-4dr_SEL-Columbia_City-IN/2065800953Sep 30 06:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2004 Ford Freestar Wagon for sale in Columbia City - 2FMZA52244BB20397 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/fp8zy ]Sep 30 06:03
DaemonFCI got hit by one of these back in 2002.Sep 30 06:03
DaemonFCI was driving a 1995 Chevy Lumina, and the guy in the PT Cruiser was drunk.Sep 30 06:04
DaemonFCHe had had his license taken away, which has never stopped anyone from driving.Sep 30 06:04
DaemonFCSo he decided to go to the bar in his daughter's brand new PT Cruiser.Sep 30 06:04
DaemonFCHe ran a stop light, T-boned my car at about 60 miles an hour.Sep 30 06:04
DaemonFCThe entire front end of the PT Cruiser was gone.Sep 30 06:04
DaemonFCThe police came out and arrested him.Sep 30 06:05
DaemonFCHis insurance company told me that they'd pay me $2,800 and total my car, then take it to an auction.Sep 30 06:05
DaemonFCI said "Uhhh, no. You give me the $2,800 and I'll keep the car."Sep 30 06:05
DaemonFCSo I did.Sep 30 06:05
DaemonFCand I went out to a junkyard and got two new doors and installed them.Sep 30 06:06
DaemonFCCost me all of $150.Sep 30 06:06
DaemonFCSo after I fixed it, I sold it and got $2,000 out of the Lumina.Sep 30 06:07
DaemonFCWent and bought a nicer car.Sep 30 06:07
DaemonFCI was satisfied. But it goes to show you why you don't want an itty bitty clown car.Sep 30 06:08
DaemonFCIf I'd been driving one of those clown cars, he probably would have killed my passenger and maybe even me too.Sep 30 06:08
DaemonFCWe both walked away from that. They offered to take us to the hospital, but there wasn't a scratch on either of us.Sep 30 06:08
DaemonFCI don't think I'd want a PT Cruiser because if the guy was going any faster, he'd have been crushed to death.Sep 30 06:10
DaemonFCand they have transmission problemsSep 30 06:10
DaemonFCbut that's Chrysler for youSep 30 06:10
DaemonFCI'm kind of leaning towards getting a minivan next time.Sep 30 06:11
DaemonFCI used to have a station wagon and when I was traveling, I saved so much money on motel rooms.Sep 30 06:12
DaemonFCI'd just pull over at a truck stop and sleep in the back.Sep 30 06:12
DaemonFCIt was quite spacious.Sep 30 06:12
iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/edward-snowden-leaks-misguided-cyber-attacksSep 30 06:16
iophkhttp://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-is-not-a-whistleblower-2013-9Sep 30 06:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Edward Snowden's leaks are misguided  they risk exposing us to cyber-attacks | David Omand | Comment is free | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/frqm0 ]Sep 30 06:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessinsider.com | Edward Snowden Is Not A Whistleblower - Business Insider  [ http://ur1.ca/frqm2 ]Sep 30 06:16
iophkmore attacks against the messengerSep 30 06:16
DaemonFCPiece of shit car... I gotta piece of shit car. Piece of shit car. It never gets me very faaar. Seven different colors. ****ing rag for a gas cap. Sails by making sparks fly everywhere... *puts it on Craigslist* *asks $3,000*Sep 30 06:18
DaemonFCI wonder if there's a name for what's wrong with people these days.Sep 30 06:19
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4098456815.htmlSep 30 06:24
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 01 cavalier 5speed 109xxx miles  [ http://ur1.ca/frqs3 ]Sep 30 06:24
DaemonFC"taillights went out"Sep 30 06:24
DaemonFCOh those aren't important....Sep 30 06:24
DaemonFCIt's just illegal to drive it like that.Sep 30 06:24
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/09/30/another-monopoly-bites-the-dust/Sep 30 06:25
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Another Monopoly Bites The Dust  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/frqtd ]Sep 30 06:25
MinceR115855 < DaemonFC> It's suicide on a good day.Sep 30 06:30
MinceRsame as budapest, then?Sep 30 06:30
DaemonFCI've never driven there.Sep 30 06:32
DaemonFCDo you guys drive on the left?Sep 30 06:32
DaemonFCIf so, you might need to be more afraid of me.Sep 30 06:33
prurigroiophk: lol, nice propaganda piece re: businessinsiderSep 30 06:33
MinceRno, on the rightSep 30 06:35
MinceRsort ofSep 30 06:35
MinceRsometimes in the middle, sometimes really slowly in the fast laneSep 30 06:35
DaemonFCSo like the drunk people on Friday night in Fort Wayne.Sep 30 06:36
iophkprurigro: yeah it had to be pointed out.  I guess that's an indicator that the current documents are important.  The mainstream news has all but stopped covering them howeverSep 30 06:45
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/french-gendarmerie-open-source-desktop-lowers-tco-40Sep 30 06:46
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%" | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/frr6p ]Sep 30 06:46
iophkI'm not sure why the Gendarmerie takes so long.  I would have thought that 12 months would be enough time to make the transition.Sep 30 06:46
prurigroI thought the guardian was still releasing them as greenwald wrote associated storeis?Sep 30 06:47
iophkYes, they have been.   But note that the other complaint was published via The Guardian as well.Sep 30 06:47
iophkI guess it's fine to have other points of view from time to time.Sep 30 06:47
iophkBut really they don't have much of a leg to stand on.Sep 30 06:47
prurigroword, is "comment is free" considered on the same level as the rest of the guardian? the article seemed closer to an editorialSep 30 06:49
iophkPublications seem to mix the two freely these days.Sep 30 06:50
iophkA good while back, editorials were clearly labeled as such.Sep 30 06:50
prurigro"Articles (like the talkboards until their sudden closure on 25 February 2011) accept comments without pre-moderation, although posts on Comment is Free are moderated after the event. All now require registration for comments."Sep 30 06:50
prurigrothat's re: comment is freeSep 30 06:51
prurigrosounds like something you could post a story to, if you wantedSep 30 06:51
prurigroor wait, comments... I might have misunderstoodSep 30 06:52
prurigrohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theguardian.com#Comment_is_free <-- ahh, there's the full deal; looks like it's full on opinionnews, regardless of the submission methodSep 30 06:52
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | theguardian.com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/frraj ]Sep 30 06:52
iophkRequiring registration is a way to prevent anonymous comments.  I figure that is the goal.  Sep 30 06:53
iophkYes, I see now.  "Comment is Free" is editorial.Sep 30 06:53
prurigroit seems like a lot of spots recently have been removing comment sections, on a side noteSep 30 06:54
iophkThe way it's presented confuses it with the real reporting.  I suppose that is intentional.Sep 30 06:54
prurigroyeah, you'd think they'd have something other than "... but facts are sacred" to explain themselves lolSep 30 06:55
DaemonFCFox News got rid of their comment section a long time ago.Sep 30 07:44
DaemonFCSpineless bullshitters don't like it when they get called out immediately.Sep 30 07:44
prurigroDaemonFC: considering the comments sections of most newspapers, I'm surprised commenters wouldn't feel right at home at FOXSep 30 07:44
iophkhttps://www.gnu.org/philosophy/microsoft-old.htmlSep 30 07:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | Is Microsoft the Great Satan? (Old Version) - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/frslx ]Sep 30 07:56
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384657515260444672Sep 30 08:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Uploaded photos from early Sept. http://t.co/tF0n1SOOpKSep 30 08:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | Autumn in ManchesterSep 30 08:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384656970546155520Sep 30 08:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Challenge accepted http://t.co/XBVTnb17WbSep 30 08:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384656891038924800Sep 30 08:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%" https://t.co/cxywcgiUZa #franceSep 30 08:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> joinup.ec.europa.eu | French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%" | JoinupSep 30 08:54
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113798Sep 30 09:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents http://techrights.org/2013/09/27/elop-trojan/ #elop #nokiaSep 30 09:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqw4v ]Sep 30 09:20
schestowitz'Just watch as he implements strategies that make them further tank, before getting bought by Microsoft and him moving on to the next victim."Sep 30 09:20
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3118249Sep 30 09:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Finally completing a belated migration to a new computer, after a third massive hardware failure in a month. Will be productive again soon.Sep 30 09:20
schestowitz"I moved to kmail2 in KDE 4.10 and it's a huge mess of database crazy."Sep 30 09:20
schestowitz"'Roy, I get this message on techrights.org: Error establishing a database connection'"Sep 30 09:21
schestowitzYesterday there was downtime in the morningSep 30 09:21
msbI keep telling y'all that KDE4 is evil!Sep 30 09:25
MinceRand i agreeSep 30 09:28
DaemonFCI switched to GNOME.Sep 30 09:29
schestowitzhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc8w9bdf2Q1ruk50oo1_400.jpgSep 30 09:29
DaemonFCWith some extensions, it's not so bad.Sep 30 09:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384671747167248384Sep 30 09:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: A wall mural in Poland https://t.co/4woKMexU1QSep 30 09:32
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=3&cdThread=Tx15CNJN3OP838Y&newContentID=Mx3LWQJZRF4S2HU&newContentNum=61#MxVWTFBVPB4WPTSep 30 09:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Chinese chicken nuggets?  [ http://ur1.ca/fruk2 ]Sep 30 09:38
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 09:38
DaemonFCWhy did the chicken cross the ocean?Sep 30 09:38
DaemonFCTo get some melamine to the other side. Sep 30 09:38
MinceRi switched to XFCE and OpenboxSep 30 09:44
DaemonFCWell, I considered it.Sep 30 09:44
DaemonFCI might even do it at some point.Sep 30 09:45
DaemonFCWhy Openbox?Sep 30 09:45
MinceRi was planning to try XFCE+FluxboxSep 30 09:45
DaemonFCIt's not that much lighter than xfwm4.Sep 30 09:45
MinceRi didn't like xfwm4 so muchSep 30 09:45
MinceRopenbox is easy to set up with xfceSep 30 09:46
DaemonFCI've always thought xfwm4 was one of the better parts of Xfce.Sep 30 09:46
MinceRi'm not sure, but it might have been the lack of an undecorate optionSep 30 09:46
DaemonFCAnything is better than kwin these days.Sep 30 09:46
MinceRor something like thatSep 30 09:46
DaemonFCA window manager shouldn't be using 150+ MB of RAM.Sep 30 09:46
DaemonFCIt got really bad in KDE 4.10Sep 30 09:49
DaemonFCsomewhere around thereSep 30 09:49
MinceRit got bad at 4.0Sep 30 09:57
msbBest is  OpenSuse -- still has choice of KDE3.Sep 30 09:58
MinceR#! with XFCE is betterSep 30 10:02
oiaohmReally I have more ram that I need.Sep 30 10:04
oiaohmSo KDE is not bad.Sep 30 10:04
oiaohmOther than the O my god wrong warpped.Sep 30 10:05
oiaohmmy current kmix is using over 1.3 G of ram.Sep 30 10:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: I am on KDE 4.10.5Sep 30 10:07
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes there is something really really wrong with kmix in KDE 4.10.5Sep 30 10:08
iophkanything to distract from the cause of the problem -- software patents -- http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/ftc-publishes-a-long-list-of-questions-it-wants-to-ask-patent-trolls/Sep 30 10:08
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | FTC publishes a long list of questions it wants to ask patent trolls | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/frv4l ]Sep 30 10:08
oiaohmiophk: patent trolls exist for patents that are not software patents.Sep 30 10:09
oiaohmiophk: there is a need for anti-troll regulation.Sep 30 10:09
iophkmost of the worst trolls would vanish without software patents, from what I gather.Sep 30 10:10
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-the-gop-flunks-hostage-taking-101/2013/09/30/43a4ff00-29d2-11e3-97a3-ff2758228523_story.htmlSep 30 10:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Marc Thiessen: The GOP flunks Hostage Taking 101 - The Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/frv5k ]Sep 30 10:10
oiaohmiophk: for the most number of deaths it the patent trolls in the medical/phamasuticals trade.Sep 30 10:10
oiaohmiophk: is the worsetSep 30 10:11
iophkPharma patents are probably why there are no new antibiotics in the works.  There is not as much return on investment for curing.Sep 30 10:12
msbKDE3 kmix uses 3MB + 10MB shared.Sep 30 10:12
iophkLong-term pill use is where the money is at.Sep 30 10:12
oiaohmmsb: there is a leak in kmixSep 30 10:12
oiaohmmsb: after restarting it it back to under 22meg total with kde.Sep 30 10:12
oiaohmmsb: please note I am 64bit.Sep 30 10:12
msbMine's been running for 5 weeks.Sep 30 10:13
oiaohmmsb: mine had been up for 2 and half months.Sep 30 10:14
msband leaked 1300MB?Sep 30 10:14
oiaohmLeaked to 1300MB yes.Sep 30 10:15
oiaohmIts my worst KDE memory problem at the moment.Sep 30 10:15
oiaohm4.10.5 other than kmix I have not seen any other leaks.Sep 30 10:16
msbYou'd think those hot shits, er, shots would have fixed that by now.Sep 30 10:17
MinceR:)Sep 30 10:18
oiaohmmsb they fixed worse.Sep 30 10:19
msbHave they fixed the virtual-desktop pager applet so you can see the desktop names?Sep 30 10:19
msbLast I looked, the idiot window outlines in each button hid the name.Sep 30 10:20
oiaohmI use activities.   I would guess no.Sep 30 10:22
oiaohmmsb: the memory leaks in kwin and other parts are fixed.Sep 30 10:22
msbAnd there's no one-click pager for activities, right?Sep 30 10:24
schestowitzhttp://www.policestateusa.com/2013/has-the-u-s-government-used-its-microwave/Sep 30 10:25
TechrightsBot-trwww.policestateusa.com | Army document describes technology that can transmit a voice into someone's head | Police State USA  [ http://ur1.ca/frvgi ]Sep 30 10:25
msbKDE4 was designed to fuck up Linux on behalf of Microsoft.Sep 30 10:26
oiaohmmsb: there is the activies bar.Sep 30 10:27
msbdoes that show the name of each activity and goes to it with one click?  Sep 30 10:27
oiaohmmsb: yes it does.Sep 30 10:28
oiaohmmsb: but I normally go for the 2 step.Sep 30 10:28
msbwhy?Sep 30 10:28
oiaohmthe 3 dot activives button brings up like a menu.Sep 30 10:29
oiaohmIt has a create a new activiely button.Sep 30 10:29
oiaohmAlso it exposes the stop activity and delete activity.Sep 30 10:30
oiaohmmsb: I find the stop activity handy.  Everything in that activity stops.Sep 30 10:30
msbProper Linux programs don't  use any cpu when you're not using them.Sep 30 10:31
oiaohmmsb: I likely to have programs rendering and building stuff in background.Sep 30 10:32
msbSure, so?Sep 30 10:33
oiaohmSo I find the stop button great.   It does not kill the applications it pauses them.Sep 30 10:33
oiaohmmsb: I am basically finding the activies suit me better than the page did.Sep 30 10:34
msbGood, then.Sep 30 10:36
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3118249Sep 30 10:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Finally completing a belated migration to a new computer, after a third massive hardware failure in a month. Will be productive again soon.Sep 30 10:51
schestowitz"ok, thnx. I can reach the site now :D ."Sep 30 10:51
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DaemonFCI'm going through a grocery catch up week.Sep 30 12:23
DaemonFCForcing myself to eat all the extra stuff I bought without making a major grocery trip.Sep 30 12:23
DaemonFC:PSep 30 12:23
*DaemonFC has to remember to do better next time. Eating some weird meals.Sep 30 12:23
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DaemonFCCar salesman called.Sep 30 13:17
DaemonFCOffered to knock another $200 off that Crown Vic if I was interested.Sep 30 13:17
DaemonFCThat car was in bad shape.Sep 30 13:18
DaemonFCJust from what my mechanic listed, I'd be in for $1,200 of repairs right away and he said that the transmission fluid looked like coffee.Sep 30 13:18
DaemonFCSo the transmission could be next.Sep 30 13:18
DaemonFCI'm not willing to risk $3,600 on a car that will probably need a transmission rebuild next.Sep 30 13:19
DaemonFCPeople do some terrible things to their cars.Sep 30 13:19
DaemonFCThat would have ran for another 10 years if the last owner has just taken care of it.Sep 30 13:19
DaemonFC*hadSep 30 13:19
DaemonFCGee, it's only a $30,000 machine. Why would you ever want to maintain it? :PSep 30 13:20
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DaemonFChttp://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/09/30/gridlock-may-force-congress-to-take-down-its-own-website/Sep 30 13:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.foxnews.com | Gridlock may force Congress to take down its own website | Fox News  [ http://ur1.ca/frzim ]Sep 30 13:54
DaemonFClolSep 30 13:54
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sebsebseb Sep 30 15:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: meh, cars..Sep 30 15:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: buy cats, not carsSep 30 15:26
schestowitzhttp://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/digital-natural-thousands-ict-experts-expected-lithuaniaSep 30 15:31
schestowitz"A pretty cool video - promoting ICT 2013 in just over a month: where over 4000 researchers and other professionals will gather in Lithuania to hear inspirational speeches, check out EU research and innovation funding opportunities, and see some of Europe's most far-reaching and innovative ideas."Sep 30 15:31
TechrightsBot-trec.europa.eu | Digital is natural - thousands of ICT experts expected in Lithuania - European Commission  [ http://ur1.ca/fs1f1 ]Sep 30 15:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, Yeah.Sep 30 15:45
DaemonFCCars.Sep 30 15:45
DaemonFCThey're not the best way to get around. They're just the only way to get around.Sep 30 15:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: DaemonFC hmm Open SUSeSep 30 15:47
DaemonFCThousands of unreliable parts built by corner cutting Ford engineers, operating in perfect harmony to......cause the vehicle to malfunction starting right after the warranty ends and making sure you never have any money.Sep 30 15:47
DaemonFCBadfinger - Straight Up (1971) FLAC/02. Baby Blue.flacSep 30 15:49
DaemonFCB-)Sep 30 15:49
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*DaemonFC had to get this because of Breaking Bad.Sep 30 15:50
DaemonFC:PSep 30 15:50
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sebsebsebSosumi: hmm Open SuseSep 30 15:52
DaemonFCWhoever ripped this totally fucked it up.Sep 30 15:52
Sosumino noSep 30 15:52
Sosumiso sue meSep 30 15:52
sebsebsebSosumi: yeah yeah Open Suse hmmSep 30 15:53
sebsebsebSosumi: seems may have to have it at ths eventSep 30 15:53
sebsebsebhmmSep 30 15:53
*sebsebseb doesn't really care that much what distros are there as long as Mageia is in :)Sep 30 15:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, I was talking to my mom the other day. Said I was looking up common problems on the Ford Focus, because I was considering buying one.Sep 30 15:53
DaemonFCTurns out that Ford cheaped out on a part of the coolant system and made it out of ABS plastic to save $20, and it turns out that that part commonly fails and causes a rapid coolant leak.Sep 30 15:54
DaemonFCShe said she had the same problem on her Impala.Sep 30 15:54
DaemonFCThree times.Sep 30 15:54
DaemonFCSo it's not just the economy cars they're doing this stuff with anymore.Sep 30 15:54
Sosumiwhy not just buy a nice european car?Sep 30 15:55
DaemonFCI just want a car that goes for a few years between expensive repairs.Sep 30 15:56
DaemonFCThis Taurus can't decide if it wants to kill itself or kill me.Sep 30 15:56
Sosumi^^Sep 30 15:56
DaemonFCI had the brake lines rot out and leak out all my brake fluid last month.Sep 30 15:56
DaemonFCIt was all I could do to hit the emergency brake before hitting the side of a building and cracking my front bumper.Sep 30 15:56
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DaemonFCI was LUCKY that didn't happen while I was on an off ramp from the interstate.Sep 30 15:57
DaemonFCI could have very well been going 70 miles an hour into a K rail.Sep 30 15:57
DaemonFCOh btw, NEVER EVER take your car to Monro.Sep 30 15:57
DaemonFCThey told me they inspected the entire brake system on my car last year and didn't find any problems.Sep 30 15:58
DaemonFCAlso lucky I didn't hit a person or another vehicle.Sep 30 15:59
DaemonFCOr my insurance rate probably would have gone through the roof and there would be no driving anything at all for the next three years.Sep 30 15:59
DaemonFCWell, I also could have killed someone else.Sep 30 16:00
DaemonFCThen it's vehicular manslaughter, even if it wasn't technically your fault.Sep 30 16:00
DaemonFCThen you go to prison for a year.Sep 30 16:00
DaemonFCIt's not that I don't maintain the car, but those things tend to happen suddenly and without warning.Sep 30 16:01
Sosumithat's just plain badSep 30 16:13
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MinceRhttp://31.media.tumblr.com/1d28b0c86dcad0d93d18d9f7e66daf5c/tumblr_mtvyufKkf91qzag1wo1_r1_500.pngSep 30 17:03
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Sosumibing is only good for pron searchesSep 30 17:56
Sosumior so I heardSep 30 17:56
MinceR:)Sep 30 17:57
MinceRsomeone you know told you? :>Sep 30 17:57
Sosuminop, read it somewhere on zee internet some time agoSep 30 17:58
Sosumiand so I was looking into MIT opencourseware for some guidance in the realms of math analysisSep 30 18:06
Sosumibut look at what I foundSep 30 18:07
Sosumiunder societySep 30 18:07
SosumiWomen's StudiesSep 30 18:07
Sosumilol what a jokeSep 30 18:08
Sosumibut there's no "men's studies" thereSep 30 18:10
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Sosumiso much for that equalitySep 30 18:10
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Sosumi*facepalm*Sep 30 18:10
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MinceRgnSep 30 18:15
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DaemonFCFrom the company that brought you Bing It On, it's Bing My Teenage Daughter.Sep 30 18:19
DaemonFCMinceR, I'll bet it will be even better when there's a Download to Zune button.Sep 30 18:20
MinceRlolSep 30 18:20
MinceR"I Binged Your Mom"Sep 30 18:20
MinceR"I Binged Up My Search Engine"Sep 30 18:21
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Sosuminot that I actually like googleSep 30 18:32
Sosumibut "Because It's Not Google" I tend to use googleSep 30 18:32
MinceRi use startpage or ddg for that :>Sep 30 18:39
Sosumifor the privacy issues?Sep 30 18:39
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Sosumi*becauseSep 30 18:42
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3124229Sep 30 20:10
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: "Ubuntu continues to push the envelope and aggravate the community with each new release"' http://blog.linuxacademy.com/linux/ubuntu-linux-13-10-preview-docking-with-mir/Sep 30 20:10
TechrightsBot-tr-> blog.linuxacademy.com | Ubuntu Linux 13.10 Preview: Docking With Mir | Linux Academy Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/fs191 ]Sep 30 20:10
schestowitz"Ubuntu is not Linux according to Mr. Shuttleworth as they continue to try and differentiate Ubuntu in the eyes of the world and develop their own branding Shameful."Sep 30 20:10
JimmyCartersurely they cant deny uses linux kernel.... "Yes uses Linux kernel, but its not Linux."Sep 30 20:12
JimmyCarterwe had extra hues to "ls --color" now its no longer linuxSep 30 20:16
JimmyCarterdd*Sep 30 20:16
JimmyCarteraddSep 30 20:16
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sebsebsebJimmyCarter: Android isn't Desktop LInuxSep 30 20:55
sebsebseb,but is also a Linux distributionSep 30 20:55
sebsebsebhowever one wiithout GNU as wellSep 30 20:55
sebsebseb,but since it uses Linux it's a Linux distributionSep 30 20:55
sebsebseband just, because Ubuntu will use Mir  instead of Wayland unike ike al othe distrosSep 30 20:56
sebsebsebdoesn't make it no less of a Linux distorSep 30 20:56
sebsebsebJimmyCarter: nice background for the betaSep 30 20:59
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prurigrofinally, a reason to specify gnu/linux is hereSep 30 23:31
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ANOTHER SOURCE:
oiaohmMicrosoft no longer able to randomally screw up files.Sep 29 12:08
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/rlXyqVg.pngSep 29 13:19
oiaohmMinceR: so trueSep 29 13:21
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iophkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiH-iA9EO_QaSep 29 13:50
iophkburnSep 29 13:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | ctrl alt delete creator - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fr8a6 ]Sep 29 13:51
iophkWindows programs usually locked up and pressing the three-fingered salute was the only way to move on.Sep 29 13:57
MinceRgeekingsSep 29 14:07
gulag2013NAMESSep 29 15:36
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DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdMSG=addedToThread&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx2LBHQWIAGK47D&newContentID=Mx2IMVPOG3G0RWD&newContentNum=2#CustomerDiscussionsNRPBSep 30 02:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Democrats are terrorists - they are killing babies and flying planes into buildings!  [ http://ur1.ca/frhbo ]Sep 30 02:22
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 02:22
DaemonFCI crashed a plane several times.Sep 30 02:22
DaemonFCI learned that Flight Simulator is just not the video game for me. Sep 30 02:22
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DaemonFCThey finally rebuilt the Nvidia package.Sep 30 04:18
DaemonFCI'm still booting the 3.10.11 kernel because there was no Nvidia update for 3.11 until now.Sep 30 04:18
JimmyCartereclipse build hell day 2Sep 30 04:18
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 06:16
DaemonFCThat's why they're fighting Country Of Origin Labels so hard. Nobody wants to eat food that comes from a country where they routinely have rivers catching fire, thousands of dead pigs floating down the river, rivers that turn red, and which supply us with pet food that kills dogs and cats.Sep 30 06:16
DaemonFCTheir solution is not to make the food safer, it's to make it impossible to figure out where the food came from. Sep 30 06:16
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MinceR> do you know why so many hipsters use apple productsSep 30 06:39
MinceR> because they heard that Steve Jobs is really undergroundSep 30 06:39
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 07:08
DaemonFCThe funding bill that the Republicans passed yesterday boils down to "Give us everything we've wanted for the last five years and we promise there won't be any more shenanigans until December.". Sep 30 07:08
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iophkhttp://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3471145/rights-groups-plan-anti-nsa-surveillance-rally-in-dc/Sep 30 09:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworlduk.com | Rights groups plan anti-NSA surveillance rally in D.C. - ComputerworldUK.com  [ http://ur1.ca/froqv ]Sep 30 09:56
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/how-can-somebody-who-loves-culture-possibly-defend-the-copyright-monopoly-130929/Sep 30 09:58
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | How Can Somebody Who Loves Culture Possibly Defend The Copyright Monopoly? | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/frosx ]Sep 30 09:58
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iophkhttp://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200997/Qamp_A_Understanding_the_future_of_Linux_game_development.phpSep 30 10:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.gamasutra.com | Gamasutra - Q&A: Understanding the future of Linux game development  [ http://ur1.ca/froyu ]Sep 30 10:05
MinceRgeekingsSep 30 10:08
DaemonFCAnother wonderful morning in the land of "gee, wouldn't it be nice if I had some money to spend but I don't".Sep 30 10:43
DaemonFCI had to rush through the kitchen cleaning shit up because a water line under my sink broke again and I need to ask the maintenance person to fix it, again.Sep 30 10:44
DaemonFCOh well. At least now it smells like swiffer spray instead of "Oh my god, what the hell is that smell?".Sep 30 10:45
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2000-Hyundai-Sonata-4dr_Sdn_GLS_V6_Manual-Columbia_City-IN/2087982163Sep 30 10:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2000 Hyundai Sonata for sale in Columbia City - KMHWF35V9YA297382 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/frq72 ]Sep 30 10:55
DaemonFCWell, I'd look further into that except that it has a manual transmission.Sep 30 10:55
*DaemonFC sighs.Sep 30 10:55
*DaemonFC wants to go back to when $2,000 would get you something better than a 1997 Taurus with 200,000 miles on it.Sep 30 10:55
DaemonFCAs if there weren't already enough ways to get distracted and have an accident, just throw in a manual transmission.Sep 30 10:56
DaemonFCThen remember that as soon as the idiot in the H2 cuts in front of you without signaling that you need to downshift while braking.Sep 30 10:57
DaemonFCAdd to that that I have no experience at all driving a stick, I'd just be bouncing around all over the place grinding gears.Sep 30 10:57
DaemonFCMinceR, You haven't seen the way people drive in Fort Wayne and Indianapolis.Sep 30 10:58
DaemonFCIt's suicide on a good day.Sep 30 10:58
DaemonFCI remember when I had to drive through Indy once a week, and I always waited until late at night so there wouldn't be too many other people on I-465.Sep 30 10:59
DaemonFCDuring the daytime it's like bumper to bumper at 90 miles an hour.Sep 30 10:59
DaemonFCBring a change of underwear.Sep 30 10:59
DaemonFChttp://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Ford-Freestar_Wagon-4dr_SEL-Columbia_City-IN/2065800953Sep 30 11:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.cityautomall.com | 2004 Ford Freestar Wagon for sale in Columbia City - 2FMZA52244BB20397 - City Automall  [ http://ur1.ca/fp8zy ]Sep 30 11:03
DaemonFCI got hit by one of these back in 2002.Sep 30 11:03
DaemonFCI was driving a 1995 Chevy Lumina, and the guy in the PT Cruiser was drunk.Sep 30 11:04
DaemonFCHe had had his license taken away, which has never stopped anyone from driving.Sep 30 11:04
DaemonFCSo he decided to go to the bar in his daughter's brand new PT Cruiser.Sep 30 11:04
DaemonFCHe ran a stop light, T-boned my car at about 60 miles an hour.Sep 30 11:04
DaemonFCThe entire front end of the PT Cruiser was gone.Sep 30 11:04
DaemonFCThe police came out and arrested him.Sep 30 11:05
DaemonFCHis insurance company told me that they'd pay me $2,800 and total my car, then take it to an auction.Sep 30 11:05
DaemonFCI said "Uhhh, no. You give me the $2,800 and I'll keep the car."Sep 30 11:05
DaemonFCSo I did.Sep 30 11:05
DaemonFCand I went out to a junkyard and got two new doors and installed them.Sep 30 11:06
DaemonFCCost me all of $150.Sep 30 11:06
DaemonFCSo after I fixed it, I sold it and got $2,000 out of the Lumina.Sep 30 11:07
DaemonFCWent and bought a nicer car.Sep 30 11:07
DaemonFCI was satisfied. But it goes to show you why you don't want an itty bitty clown car.Sep 30 11:08
DaemonFCIf I'd been driving one of those clown cars, he probably would have killed my passenger and maybe even me too.Sep 30 11:08
DaemonFCWe both walked away from that. They offered to take us to the hospital, but there wasn't a scratch on either of us.Sep 30 11:08
DaemonFCI don't think I'd want a PT Cruiser because if the guy was going any faster, he'd have been crushed to death.Sep 30 11:10
DaemonFCand they have transmission problemsSep 30 11:10
DaemonFCbut that's Chrysler for youSep 30 11:10
DaemonFCI'm kind of leaning towards getting a minivan next time.Sep 30 11:11
DaemonFCI used to have a station wagon and when I was traveling, I saved so much money on motel rooms.Sep 30 11:12
DaemonFCI'd just pull over at a truck stop and sleep in the back.Sep 30 11:12
DaemonFCIt was quite spacious.Sep 30 11:12
iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/edward-snowden-leaks-misguided-cyber-attacksSep 30 11:16
iophkhttp://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-is-not-a-whistleblower-2013-9Sep 30 11:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Edward Snowden's leaks are misguided – they risk exposing us to cyber-attacks | David Omand | Comment is free | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/frqm0 ]Sep 30 11:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessinsider.com | Edward Snowden Is Not A Whistleblower - Business Insider  [ http://ur1.ca/frqm2 ]Sep 30 11:16
iophkmore attacks against the messengerSep 30 11:16
DaemonFCPiece of shit car... I gotta piece of shit car. Piece of shit car. It never gets me very faaar. Seven different colors. ****ing rag for a gas cap. Sails by making sparks fly everywhere... *puts it on Craigslist* *asks $3,000*Sep 30 11:18
DaemonFCI wonder if there's a name for what's wrong with people these days.Sep 30 11:19
DaemonFChttps://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4098456815.htmlSep 30 11:24
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 01 cavalier 5speed 109xxx miles  [ http://ur1.ca/frqs3 ]Sep 30 11:24
DaemonFC"taillights went out"Sep 30 11:24
DaemonFCOh those aren't important....Sep 30 11:24
DaemonFCIt's just illegal to drive it like that.Sep 30 11:24
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/09/30/another-monopoly-bites-the-dust/Sep 30 11:25
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Another Monopoly Bites The Dust  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/frqtd ]Sep 30 11:25
MinceR115855 < DaemonFC> It's suicide on a good day.Sep 30 11:30
MinceRsame as budapest, then?Sep 30 11:30
DaemonFCI've never driven there.Sep 30 11:32
DaemonFCDo you guys drive on the left?Sep 30 11:32
DaemonFCIf so, you might need to be more afraid of me.Sep 30 11:33
prurigroiophk: lol, nice propaganda piece re: businessinsiderSep 30 11:33
MinceRno, on the rightSep 30 11:35
MinceRsort ofSep 30 11:35
MinceRsometimes in the middle, sometimes really slowly in the fast laneSep 30 11:35
DaemonFCSo like the drunk people on Friday night in Fort Wayne.Sep 30 11:36
iophkprurigro: yeah it had to be pointed out.  I guess that's an indicator that the current documents are important.  The mainstream news has all but stopped covering them howeverSep 30 11:45
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/french-gendarmerie-open-source-desktop-lowers-tco-40Sep 30 11:46
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%" | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/frr6p ]Sep 30 11:46
iophkI'm not sure why the Gendarmerie takes so long.  I would have thought that 12 months would be enough time to make the transition.Sep 30 11:46
prurigroI thought the guardian was still releasing them as greenwald wrote associated storeis?Sep 30 11:47
iophkYes, they have been.   But note that the other complaint was published via The Guardian as well.Sep 30 11:47
iophkI guess it's fine to have other points of view from time to time.Sep 30 11:47
iophkBut really they don't have much of a leg to stand on.Sep 30 11:47
prurigroword, is "comment is free" considered on the same level as the rest of the guardian? the article seemed closer to an editorialSep 30 11:49
iophkPublications seem to mix the two freely these days.Sep 30 11:50
iophkA good while back, editorials were clearly labeled as such.Sep 30 11:50
prurigro"Articles (like the talkboards until their sudden closure on 25 February 2011) accept comments without pre-moderation, although posts on Comment is Free are moderated after the event. All now require registration for comments."Sep 30 11:50
prurigrothat's re: comment is freeSep 30 11:51
prurigrosounds like something you could post a story to, if you wantedSep 30 11:51
prurigroor wait, comments... I might have misunderstoodSep 30 11:52
prurigrohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theguardian.com#Comment_is_free <-- ahh, there's the full deal; looks like it's full on opinionnews, regardless of the submission methodSep 30 11:52
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | theguardian.com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/frraj ]Sep 30 11:52
iophkRequiring registration is a way to prevent anonymous comments.  I figure that is the goal.  Sep 30 11:53
iophkYes, I see now.  "Comment is Free" is editorial.Sep 30 11:53
prurigroit seems like a lot of spots recently have been removing comment sections, on a side noteSep 30 11:54
iophkThe way it's presented confuses it with the real reporting.  I suppose that is intentional.Sep 30 11:54
prurigroyeah, you'd think they'd have something other than "... but facts are sacred" to explain themselves lolSep 30 11:55
DaemonFCFox News got rid of their comment section a long time ago.Sep 30 12:44
DaemonFCSpineless bullshitters don't like it when they get called out immediately.Sep 30 12:44
prurigroDaemonFC: considering the comments sections of most newspapers, I'm surprised commenters wouldn't feel right at home at FOXSep 30 12:44
iophkhttps://www.gnu.org/philosophy/microsoft-old.htmlSep 30 12:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | Is Microsoft the Great Satan? (Old Version) - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/frslx ]Sep 30 12:56
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384657515260444672Sep 30 13:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Uploaded photos from early Sept. http://t.co/tF0n1SOOpKSep 30 13:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | Autumn in ManchesterSep 30 13:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384656970546155520Sep 30 13:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Challenge accepted http://t.co/XBVTnb17WbSep 30 13:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384656891038924800Sep 30 13:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: French Gendarmerie: "Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%" https://t.co/cxywcgiUZa #franceSep 30 13:54
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3113798Sep 30 14:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents http://techrights.org/2013/09/27/elop-trojan/ #elop #nokiaSep 30 14:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Stephen Elop Outright Lied When He Said He Was Not a Trojan Horse, Reveal New Documents | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fqw4v ]Sep 30 14:20
schestowitz'Just watch as he implements strategies that make them further tank, before getting bought by Microsoft and him moving on to the next victim."Sep 30 14:20
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3118249Sep 30 14:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Finally completing a belated migration to a new computer, after a third massive hardware failure in a month. Will be productive again soon.Sep 30 14:20
schestowitz"I moved to kmail2 in KDE 4.10 and it's a huge mess of database crazy."Sep 30 14:20
schestowitz"'Roy, I get this message on techrights.org: Error establishing a database connection'"Sep 30 14:21
schestowitzYesterday there was downtime in the morningSep 30 14:21
msbI keep telling y'all that KDE4 is evil!Sep 30 14:25
MinceRand i agreeSep 30 14:28
DaemonFCI switched to GNOME.Sep 30 14:29
schestowitzhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc8w9bdf2Q1ruk50oo1_400.jpgSep 30 14:29
DaemonFCWith some extensions, it's not so bad.Sep 30 14:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384671747167248384Sep 30 14:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: A wall mural in Poland https://t.co/4woKMexU1QSep 30 14:32
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=3&cdThread=Tx15CNJN3OP838Y&newContentID=Mx3LWQJZRF4S2HU&newContentNum=61#MxVWTFBVPB4WPTSep 30 14:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Chinese chicken nuggets?  [ http://ur1.ca/fruk2 ]Sep 30 14:38
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Sep 30 14:38
DaemonFCWhy did the chicken cross the ocean?Sep 30 14:38
DaemonFCTo get some melamine to the other side. Sep 30 14:38
MinceRi switched to XFCE and OpenboxSep 30 14:44
DaemonFCWell, I considered it.Sep 30 14:44
DaemonFCI might even do it at some point.Sep 30 14:45
DaemonFCWhy Openbox?Sep 30 14:45
MinceRi was planning to try XFCE+FluxboxSep 30 14:45
DaemonFCIt's not that much lighter than xfwm4.Sep 30 14:45
MinceRi didn't like xfwm4 so muchSep 30 14:45
MinceRopenbox is easy to set up with xfceSep 30 14:46
DaemonFCI've always thought xfwm4 was one of the better parts of Xfce.Sep 30 14:46
MinceRi'm not sure, but it might have been the lack of an undecorate optionSep 30 14:46
DaemonFCAnything is better than kwin these days.Sep 30 14:46
MinceRor something like thatSep 30 14:46
DaemonFCA window manager shouldn't be using 150+ MB of RAM.Sep 30 14:46
DaemonFCIt got really bad in KDE 4.10Sep 30 14:49
DaemonFCsomewhere around thereSep 30 14:49
MinceRit got bad at 4.0Sep 30 14:57
msbBest is  OpenSuse -- still has choice of KDE3.Sep 30 14:58
MinceR#! with XFCE is betterSep 30 15:02
oiaohmReally I have more ram that I need.Sep 30 15:04
oiaohmSo KDE is not bad.Sep 30 15:04
oiaohmOther than the O my god wrong warpped.Sep 30 15:05
oiaohmmy current kmix is using over 1.3 G of ram.Sep 30 15:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: I am on KDE 4.10.5Sep 30 15:07
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes there is something really really wrong with kmix in KDE 4.10.5Sep 30 15:08
iophkanything to distract from the cause of the problem -- software patents -- http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/ftc-publishes-a-long-list-of-questions-it-wants-to-ask-patent-trolls/Sep 30 15:08
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | FTC publishes a long list of questions it wants to ask “patent trolls” | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/frv4l ]Sep 30 15:08
oiaohmiophk: patent trolls exist for patents that are not software patents.Sep 30 15:09
oiaohmiophk: there is a need for anti-troll regulation.Sep 30 15:09
iophkmost of the worst trolls would vanish without software patents, from what I gather.Sep 30 15:10
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-the-gop-flunks-hostage-taking-101/2013/09/30/43a4ff00-29d2-11e3-97a3-ff2758228523_story.htmlSep 30 15:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Marc Thiessen: The GOP flunks Hostage Taking 101 - The Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/frv5k ]Sep 30 15:10
oiaohmiophk: for the most number of deaths it the patent trolls in the medical/phamasuticals trade.Sep 30 15:10
oiaohmiophk: is the worsetSep 30 15:11
iophkPharma patents are probably why there are no new antibiotics in the works.  There is not as much return on investment for curing.Sep 30 15:12
msbKDE3 kmix uses 3MB + 10MB shared.Sep 30 15:12
iophkLong-term pill use is where the money is at.Sep 30 15:12
oiaohmmsb: there is a leak in kmixSep 30 15:12
oiaohmmsb: after restarting it it back to under 22meg total with kde.Sep 30 15:12
oiaohmmsb: please note I am 64bit.Sep 30 15:12
msbMine's been running for 5 weeks.Sep 30 15:13
oiaohmmsb: mine had been up for 2 and half months.Sep 30 15:14
msband leaked 1300MB?Sep 30 15:14
oiaohmLeaked to 1300MB yes.Sep 30 15:15
oiaohmIts my worst KDE memory problem at the moment.Sep 30 15:15
oiaohm4.10.5 other than kmix I have not seen any other leaks.Sep 30 15:16
msbYou'd think those hot shits, er, shots would have fixed that by now.Sep 30 15:17
MinceR:)Sep 30 15:18
oiaohmmsb they fixed worse.Sep 30 15:19
msbHave they fixed the virtual-desktop pager applet so you can see the desktop names?Sep 30 15:19
msbLast I looked, the idiot window outlines in each button hid the name.Sep 30 15:20
oiaohmI use activities.   I would guess no.Sep 30 15:22
oiaohmmsb: the memory leaks in kwin and other parts are fixed.Sep 30 15:22
msbAnd there's no one-click pager for activities, right?Sep 30 15:24
schestowitzhttp://www.policestateusa.com/2013/has-the-u-s-government-used-its-microwave/Sep 30 15:25
TechrightsBot-trwww.policestateusa.com | Army document describes technology that can transmit a voice into someone's head | Police State USA  [ http://ur1.ca/frvgi ]Sep 30 15:25
msbKDE4 was designed to fuck up Linux on behalf of Microsoft.Sep 30 15:26
oiaohmmsb: there is the activies bar.Sep 30 15:27
msbdoes that show the name of each activity and goes to it with one click?  Sep 30 15:27
oiaohmmsb: yes it does.Sep 30 15:28
oiaohmmsb: but I normally go for the 2 step.Sep 30 15:28
msbwhy?Sep 30 15:28
oiaohmthe 3 dot activives button brings up like a menu.Sep 30 15:29
oiaohmIt has a create a new activiely button.Sep 30 15:29
oiaohmAlso it exposes the stop activity and delete activity.Sep 30 15:30
oiaohmmsb: I find the stop activity handy.  Everything in that activity stops.Sep 30 15:30
msbProper Linux programs don't  use any cpu when you're not using them.Sep 30 15:31
oiaohmmsb: I likely to have programs rendering and building stuff in background.Sep 30 15:32
msbSure, so?Sep 30 15:33
oiaohmSo I find the stop button great.   It does not kill the applications it pauses them.Sep 30 15:33
oiaohmmsb: I am basically finding the activies suit me better than the page did.Sep 30 15:34
msbGood, then.Sep 30 15:36
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3118249Sep 30 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Finally completing a belated migration to a new computer, after a third massive hardware failure in a month. Will be productive again soon.Sep 30 15:51
schestowitz"ok, thnx. I can reach the site now :D ."Sep 30 15:51
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DaemonFCI'm going through a grocery catch up week.Sep 30 17:23
DaemonFCForcing myself to eat all the extra stuff I bought without making a major grocery trip.Sep 30 17:23
DaemonFC:PSep 30 17:23
*DaemonFC has to remember to do better next time. Eating some weird meals.Sep 30 17:23
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DaemonFCCar salesman called.Sep 30 18:17
DaemonFCOffered to knock another $200 off that Crown Vic if I was interested.Sep 30 18:17
DaemonFCThat car was in bad shape.Sep 30 18:18
DaemonFCJust from what my mechanic listed, I'd be in for $1,200 of repairs right away and he said that the transmission fluid looked like coffee.Sep 30 18:18
DaemonFCSo the transmission could be next.Sep 30 18:18
DaemonFCI'm not willing to risk $3,600 on a car that will probably need a transmission rebuild next.Sep 30 18:19
DaemonFCPeople do some terrible things to their cars.Sep 30 18:19
DaemonFCThat would have ran for another 10 years if the last owner has just taken care of it.Sep 30 18:19
DaemonFC*hadSep 30 18:19
DaemonFCGee, it's only a $30,000 machine. Why would you ever want to maintain it? :PSep 30 18:20
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DaemonFChttp://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/09/30/gridlock-may-force-congress-to-take-down-its-own-website/Sep 30 18:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.foxnews.com | Gridlock may force Congress to take down its own website | Fox News  [ http://ur1.ca/frzim ]Sep 30 18:54
DaemonFClolSep 30 18:54
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sebsebseb Sep 30 20:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: meh, cars..Sep 30 20:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: buy cats, not carsSep 30 20:26
schestowitzhttp://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/digital-natural-thousands-ict-experts-expected-lithuaniaSep 30 20:31
schestowitz"A pretty cool video - promoting ICT 2013 in just over a month: where over 4000 researchers and other professionals will gather in Lithuania to hear inspirational speeches, check out EU research and innovation funding opportunities, and see some of Europe's most far-reaching and innovative ideas."Sep 30 20:31
TechrightsBot-trec.europa.eu | Digital is natural - thousands of ICT experts expected in Lithuania - European Commission  [ http://ur1.ca/fs1f1 ]Sep 30 20:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, Yeah.Sep 30 20:45
DaemonFCCars.Sep 30 20:45
DaemonFCThey're not the best way to get around. They're just the only way to get around.Sep 30 20:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: DaemonFC hmm Open SUSeSep 30 20:47
DaemonFCThousands of unreliable parts built by corner cutting Ford engineers, operating in perfect harmony to......cause the vehicle to malfunction starting right after the warranty ends and making sure you never have any money.Sep 30 20:47
DaemonFCBadfinger - Straight Up (1971) FLAC/02. Baby Blue.flacSep 30 20:49
DaemonFCB-)Sep 30 20:49
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*DaemonFC had to get this because of Breaking Bad.Sep 30 20:50
DaemonFC:PSep 30 20:50
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sebsebsebSosumi: hmm Open SuseSep 30 20:52
DaemonFCWhoever ripped this totally fucked it up.Sep 30 20:52
Sosumino noSep 30 20:52
Sosumiso sue meSep 30 20:52
sebsebsebSosumi: yeah yeah Open Suse hmmSep 30 20:53
sebsebsebSosumi: seems may have to have it at ths eventSep 30 20:53
sebsebsebhmmSep 30 20:53
*sebsebseb doesn't really care that much what distros are there as long as Mageia is in :)Sep 30 20:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, I was talking to my mom the other day. Said I was looking up common problems on the Ford Focus, because I was considering buying one.Sep 30 20:53
DaemonFCTurns out that Ford cheaped out on a part of the coolant system and made it out of ABS plastic to save $20, and it turns out that that part commonly fails and causes a rapid coolant leak.Sep 30 20:54
DaemonFCShe said she had the same problem on her Impala.Sep 30 20:54
DaemonFCThree times.Sep 30 20:54
DaemonFCSo it's not just the economy cars they're doing this stuff with anymore.Sep 30 20:54
Sosumiwhy not just buy a nice european car?Sep 30 20:55
DaemonFCI just want a car that goes for a few years between expensive repairs.Sep 30 20:56
DaemonFCThis Taurus can't decide if it wants to kill itself or kill me.Sep 30 20:56
Sosumi^^Sep 30 20:56
DaemonFCI had the brake lines rot out and leak out all my brake fluid last month.Sep 30 20:56
DaemonFCIt was all I could do to hit the emergency brake before hitting the side of a building and cracking my front bumper.Sep 30 20:56
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DaemonFCI was LUCKY that didn't happen while I was on an off ramp from the interstate.Sep 30 20:57
DaemonFCI could have very well been going 70 miles an hour into a K rail.Sep 30 20:57
DaemonFCOh btw, NEVER EVER take your car to Monro.Sep 30 20:57
DaemonFCThey told me they inspected the entire brake system on my car last year and didn't find any problems.Sep 30 20:58
DaemonFCAlso lucky I didn't hit a person or another vehicle.Sep 30 20:59
DaemonFCOr my insurance rate probably would have gone through the roof and there would be no driving anything at all for the next three years.Sep 30 20:59
DaemonFCWell, I also could have killed someone else.Sep 30 21:00
DaemonFCThen it's vehicular manslaughter, even if it wasn't technically your fault.Sep 30 21:00
DaemonFCThen you go to prison for a year.Sep 30 21:00
DaemonFCIt's not that I don't maintain the car, but those things tend to happen suddenly and without warning.Sep 30 21:01
Sosumithat's just plain badSep 30 21:13
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MinceRhttp://31.media.tumblr.com/1d28b0c86dcad0d93d18d9f7e66daf5c/tumblr_mtvyufKkf91qzag1wo1_r1_500.pngSep 30 22:03
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Sosumibing is only good for pron searchesSep 30 22:56
Sosumior so I heardSep 30 22:56
MinceR:)Sep 30 22:57
MinceRsomeone you know told you? :>Sep 30 22:57
Sosuminop, read it somewhere on zee internet some time agoSep 30 22:58
Sosumiand so I was looking into MIT opencourseware for some guidance in the realms of math analysisSep 30 23:06
Sosumibut look at what I foundSep 30 23:07
Sosumiunder societySep 30 23:07
SosumiWomen's StudiesSep 30 23:07
Sosumilol what a jokeSep 30 23:08
Sosumibut there's no "men's studies" thereSep 30 23:10
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Sosumiso much for that equalitySep 30 23:10
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Sosumi*facepalm*Sep 30 23:10
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MinceRgnSep 30 23:15
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DaemonFCFrom the company that brought you Bing It On, it's Bing My Teenage Daughter.Sep 30 23:19
DaemonFCMinceR, I'll bet it will be even better when there's a Download to Zune button.Sep 30 23:20
MinceRlolSep 30 23:20
MinceR"I Binged Your Mom"Sep 30 23:20
MinceR"I Binged Up My Search Engine"Sep 30 23:21
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Sosuminot that I actually like googleSep 30 23:32
Sosumibut "Because It's Not Google" I tend to use googleSep 30 23:32
MinceRi use startpage or ddg for that :>Sep 30 23:39
Sosumifor the privacy issues?Sep 30 23:39
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Sosumi*becauseSep 30 23:42
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