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iophk1http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/01/nsa-data-collection-tech-firms&nick iphkNov 03 02:34
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/01/nsa-data-collection-tech-firms&nick )Nov 03 02:34
iophk1 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/01/nsa-data-collection-tech-firmsNov 03 02:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Snowden document reveals key role of companies in NSA data collection | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fz8i8 ]Nov 03 02:34
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iophkhttp://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/10/if-teens-dont-think-facebook-is-cool-anymore-should-facebook-worry/281058/Nov 03 04:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.theatlantic.com | If Teens Don't Think Facebook Is Cool Anymore, Should Facebook Worry? - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic  [ http://ur1.ca/fz93b ]Nov 03 04:48
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3232952Nov 03 05:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a WarrantNov 03 05:22
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fyv3k ]Nov 03 05:22
schestowitzAnyway, if one is to use a system with proprietary bits, I would at least recommend using one made by a company that isn't a founding member of PRISM..."77"Nov 03 05:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396936774158909441  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396937112446316544  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396937333469380608  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396938015333175296  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396938832639430656Nov 03 05:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: It sure seems like debate about long-term health effects of xG wireless connections sidelined not b/c it's OK but b/c smartphones Net='cool'Nov 03 05:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Companionship for technophiles http://t.co/dqxrnnPFQkNov 03 05:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: In David Miranda’s Case, UK Security Services Argue Traveling with Secret Documents Is ‘Terrorism’ (def' expanded) http://t.co/e4pLaPs4PLNov 03 05:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> dissenter.firedoglake.com | In David Miranda’s Case, UK Security Services Argue Traveling with Secret Documents Is ‘Terrorism’  |  The DissenterNov 03 05:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Inspired by Snowden, more #NSA insiders are blowing the whistle http://t.co/7W8bYiVr4V maybe they know what whistleblowing meansNov 03 05:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> boingboing.net | Inspired by Snowden, more NSA insiders are blowing the whistle - Boing BoingNov 03 05:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Perhaps #snowden is becoming the real-life Guy Fawkes, the anonymous persona through which anonymous leakers claim leaks to have come fromNov 03 05:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396939480479059968  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396939918989357056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396942134441693184  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396942945712361472Nov 03 05:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: What US DOJ whistleblower is saying suggests that the #nsa now has unknown leakers, i.e. sort of moles, in its staff http://t.co/uZFzuOeIbMNov 03 05:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> abcnews.go.com | More NSA Leakers Followed Snowden’s Footsteps, Whistleblower Lawyer Says - ABC NewsNov 03 05:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #NSA learns (just like the CIA) that cracking down on leakers is counter-productive http://t.co/033lSmjxJ9 http://t.co/2sgPinAhtINov 03 05:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> rt.com | Leaked: CIA aims crackdown on leaks inside CIA — RT USANov 03 05:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.slate.com | CIA leaks: Leaked agency memo tells agents to stop leaking information to the media.Nov 03 05:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #nsa has acknowledges that #Microsoft #PowerPoint helped Snowden copy docs, nobody knows which. Any leak "must have come from Snowden!"Nov 03 05:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The only approach for #nsa to reveal other leakers by is the "Cheney approach": WATERBOARD Miranda, Raddack, Thomas, Binney, Appelbaum....Nov 03 05:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396943702792630272  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396945790478065664  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396946817843466240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396947164473344000Nov 03 05:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: I always knew our politicians were cold-hearted, but for crying out loud, how much are they heating them up? http://t.co/oBtsWAyNZRNov 03 05:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.itv.com | MPs' '200k energy bill expenses' - ITV NewsNov 03 05:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: '"We did see a decrease in daily users, specifically among younger teens," Facebook acknowledged.' http://t.co/P9qi7PQUA7Nov 03 05:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Facebook: perfect solution. Taxpayers provide information on themselves and other taxpayers, at taxpayers' own expense (time). #nsa #fbNov 03 05:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The government should worry about Facebook's declining 'approval rate'. Should advertise on TV. Think about the children! They stop spying.Nov 03 05:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396947575150227456  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396947889739812865  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396948113921150976   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396949001435906048    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396949718757957633Nov 03 05:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: I know young people (teenage/younger) that upload photos from inside homes of privacy-seeking (grand)parents who complain but can't stop itNov 03 05:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Facebook is turning generations of young (loved) people who essentially act like Trojan horses or informants on family and friends. [1/2]Nov 03 05:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: People hardly need #facerec #geotag #connections to recognise their friends and where they go. This 'metadata' serves strangers/spies [2/2]Nov 03 05:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Does Apple hope to get government favours (or subsidies) by advancing the dangerous concept of phones (GPS) with un-detachable batteries?Nov 03 05:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Overzealous spying on taxpayers with subsidies from taxpayers (or taxpayers' ever-growing national debt)is getting hard to sell to taxpayersNov 03 05:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/tutorkag/status/396948395538915329Nov 03 05:40
TechrightsBot-tr@tutorkag: @schestowitz Zuck fucks plan? Dunno...where ta fuck it gonna go? One's know...hahaNov 03 05:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/avriette/status/396949700802539520Nov 03 05:41
TechrightsBot-tr@avriette: @schestowitz only, like, without the blowing-up-government-buildings part, right? Or did you mean the inane masks thing?Nov 03 05:41
schestowitzThe masks of course :-)Nov 03 05:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3229526Nov 03 05:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "First migrants and recent immigrants were rounded up from Greece's streets and forced into internment camps" http://act.watchdog.net/petitions/3322?l=517X7hH_L6QNov 03 05:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> act.watchdog.net | Tell EU Member States: Save Greek "undesirables" from internment camps!  [ http://ur1.ca/fyo4t ]Nov 03 05:42
schestowitz"Hmmm... so if, simplistically, it was a combination of a high number of interned people with extreme financial hardship, then it will be interesting to see what finally happens when the world nations finally lose faith in the ever inflating US dollar a few years down the line, especially when all their current spying tech presumably lets the government discover all kinds of new classes of "dissidents" quickly and easily. The real Nov 03 05:43
schestowitzquestion is, will things like the public reaction to the ongoing release of Edward Snowdens documents do anything to change the current direction of more spying, more martial law? Interesting times, indeed."Nov 03 05:43
schestowitzI reckon the rich people will continue to flee countries in trouble and find haven in other greedy nations that want their spendings (not tax, they use tax havens); they'll just hop from place to place like Russian oligarchs and set up gov. structures like NSA to go after protesters... I mean, terrorists.Nov 03 05:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/avriette/status/396951032527605760Nov 03 05:45
TechrightsBot-tr@avriette: @schestowitz I wonder, not infrequently, whether people understand the symbolism they invoke so casually.Nov 03 05:45
schestowitzI wondered that too, But words and names change with connotation. Examples: the names Napoleon, Columbus; The word hacker.Nov 03 05:46
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/avriette/status/396952153308536832Nov 03 05:50
TechrightsBot-tr@avriette: @schestowitz true enough. Perhaps I just choose to indulge in a little get-off-my-lawn-ing.Nov 03 05:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396954788350664704  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396955683050225664  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396962460437336064  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396964848191676416Nov 03 06:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Metropolitan police detained #DavidMiranda for promoting 'political' causes http://t.co/SFc4fMYmP2 #uk #policestate #politicsNov 03 06:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Metropolitan police detained David Miranda for promoting 'political' causes | World news | The ObserverNov 03 06:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "UK govt beats its mighty chest, now explicitly equates journalism with 'terrorism' and 'espionage'." http://t.co/SFc4fMYmP2Nov 03 06:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Tolokonnikova has complained of abuses by the prison staff in Mordovia." http://t.co/ULUqflaOin now disappeared. #russiaNov 03 06:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Pussy Riot: Tolokonnikova 'out of sight' since jail moveNov 03 06:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Rich people couldn't care less s http://t.co/qc3Wrpn9E4 "people with less money are better at.. a measure called empathy accuracy."Nov 03 06:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.smh.com.au | Rich people couldn't care lessNov 03 06:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/396970010557440000Nov 03 07:02
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz interesting, either the link was broken, or the article...removed.Nov 03 07:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396966793346301952  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396967611072012288  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396968109112053761  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396968421914857473  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396969534172971008  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396970249406656512Nov 03 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Teacher arrested for possession of math https://t.co/oU7mkjkmnxNov 03 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Shackles for young adults http://t.co/laxKCbPTjC scary stuffNov 03 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Russian prison service says Nadezhda Tolokonnikova has been moved"    http://t.co/Ne8CzNzRS6 In Russia, hungry get YOUNov 03 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Pussy Riot band member sent to new prison | World news | theguardian.comNov 03 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Economic fears persist" http://t.co/Nx1fHc1qaO classy!Nov 03 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Documents reveal NSA’s extensive involvement in targeted killing program http://t.co/eiokMaQa9t #nsa #cia #drones #assassinationNov 03 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/documents-reveal-nsas-extensive-involvement-in-targeted-killing-program/2013/10/16/29775278-3674-11e3-8a0e- )Nov 03 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Wealth http://t.co/hsd8o2ITVQNov 03 07:03
MinceRgeekingsNov 03 07:50
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Nov 03 10:13
DaemonFCa few seconds agoNov 03 10:13
DaemonFChttp://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/10/05/us-usa-healthcare-technology-analysis-idUKBRE99407T20131005Nov 03 10:13
TechrightsBot-truk.reuters.com | Analysis: IT experts question architecture of Obamacare website | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/fzahk ]Nov 03 10:13
DaemonFCSomeone finally noticed that it takes a lot of Shims to make Monoposoft Internet Exploder render standards-compliant code.Nov 03 10:13
iophkJust have them download Firefox, Opera or Chromium instead.  It will cost the country less both on the web site and in malware as they use the browsers elsewhere.Nov 03 10:18
DaemonFCWell, I think that the W3C should be disbanded and that Gecko should be the de facto standard.Nov 03 10:36
DaemonFCIt would be better than what's coming out of the W3C lately.Nov 03 10:36
DaemonFCNow we've got them telling us that DRM is a web standard even though nobody is allowed to know how it works.Nov 03 10:37
DaemonFC:)Nov 03 10:37
MinceRi'm not so sure of gecko now that mozilla is promoting h.264Nov 03 11:43
MinceRlooks like the community will have to start the whole web fight all over againNov 03 11:43
MinceRbuild open standards and build free browsers that support hemNov 03 11:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244091Nov 03 11:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Tolokonnikova has complained of abuses by the prison staff in Mordovia." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24786119 now disappeared. #russiaNov 03 11:47
schestowitz"Mordor... uuh read that wrong."Nov 03 11:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244187Nov 03 11:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Documents reveal NSA’s extensive involvement in targeted killing program http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/documents-reveal-nsas-extensive-involvement-in-targeted-killing-program/2013/10/16/29775278-3674-11e3-8a0e- #nsa #cia #drones #assassinationNov 03 11:48
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/documents-reveal-nsas-extensive-involvement-in-targeted-killing-program/2013/10/16/29775278-3674-11e3-8a0e-4e2cf80831fc_story.htmlNov 03 11:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Documents reveal NSA’s extensive involvement in targeted killing program - The Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/fzawt ]Nov 03 11:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244195Nov 03 11:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: [![Image](http://i.imgur.com/7YPxUNg.gif)]()<br>**Star wars style!!** <br>[]()<br><br><br>#geek - <br><br>Nov 03 11:48
schestowitzNever liked Star Wars."77"Nov 03 11:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244184Nov 03 11:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: tastes just like chicken...Nov 03 11:49
schestowitz"Gross"Nov 03 11:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244144Nov 03 11:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: implement maximum wage, now...Nov 03 11:50
schestowitz"we can afford a living in dignity for all - but we cannot afford the rich anymore..."Nov 03 11:50
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244095Nov 03 11:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: parking for turtles only...Nov 03 11:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3243969Nov 03 11:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: nudist on strike...Nov 03 11:51
schestowitzNeat!Nov 03 11:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244183Nov 03 11:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #agorism not revolutionNov 03 11:52
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by charlyaurelia@wk3.org: https://wk3.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_e796f42b91ba0165bfa1.gifNov 03 11:52
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by charlyaurelia@wk3.org: https://wk3.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_e796f42b91ba0165bfa1.gifNov 03 11:52
schestowitz"Next .........."Nov 03 11:53
DaemonFCschestowitz: I never did understand why people like the Lord of the Rings movies so much.Nov 03 11:58
DaemonFCIt's literally like four hours of walking through landscapes and forests.Nov 03 11:58
DaemonFCThe books are probably better, I don't know.Nov 03 11:59
DaemonFCI made the mistake of watching one of the movies and now I don't even care.Nov 03 12:00
DaemonFCA movie has to be pretty damned boring before I'll fall asleep.Nov 03 12:03
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MinceRlol @animgifNov 03 12:08
MinceRlooks just like hungaryNov 03 12:08
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SosumiLord of the Rings doesn't ring any bell to me...Nov 03 14:29
SosumiI see, you can't just walk into Mordor or something like that and one of the guy dies in beggining...Nov 03 14:30
Sosumiis it related to The Rings of the Nibelung?Nov 03 14:30
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Sosumialso known as Das NibelungenliedNov 03 14:31
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sebsebsebhi iophkNov 03 14:52
iophkhiNov 03 14:52
sebsebsebiophk: I made a Mageia 3 GNOE remaster not last night, but one beforeNov 03 14:53
sebsebsebneed to do a KDE to reallyNov 03 14:53
sebsebsebetcNov 03 14:53
sebsebsebiophk: also there's stil the debate about what distros to have etcNov 03 14:53
sebsebseb2 or 3Nov 03 14:53
iophkHow did you get the remaster working?Nov 03 14:53
sebsebsebiophk: soeones like someone might have to back out having their distroNov 03 14:53
sebsebsebI think I need to send a email with the reasons for MageiaNov 03 14:54
sebsebseband for Ubuntu dNov 03 14:54
iophkTwo distros max. otherwise there is too much hassle for you and confusion for the novices.Nov 03 14:54
sebsebsebI Think that could be goodNov 03 14:54
iophkagreedNov 03 14:54
sebsebsebiophk: I think it' Mint and Open Suse that we don't need :DNov 03 14:54
iophkcan do without those I hinkNov 03 14:54
iophkthinkNov 03 14:54
sebsebsebof course someone else might think we don't need MageiaNov 03 14:55
iophkIt's much better to work with a community based distro.Nov 03 14:55
iophkMageia is one.Nov 03 14:55
sebsebseb2  or 3 max is the ideaNov 03 14:55
sebsebsebiophk: here's what the older guy put hold onNov 03 14:55
iophkAs I wrote before, one distro for the various choices of Desktop environment, except for Unity.  Then Ubuntu to provide Unity.Nov 03 14:57
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423514/iPads-banned-from-Cabinet-meetings-over-surveillance-fears.htmlNov 03 14:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | iPads banned from Cabinet meetings over surveillance fears - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fzbr5 ]Nov 03 14:58
sebsebsebiophk: well not much he said realyNov 03 14:58
sebsebsebjust 2 or 3Nov 03 14:58
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sebsebseb2 and  then oen for old machinesNov 03 14:58
sebsebseband may have to vote on them later or hwateverNov 03 14:58
sebsebsebiophk: yes maybe I should directly propose that nowNov 03 14:59
sebsebsebone distro to show the othe de's MagieaNov 03 14:59
iophkKDE, XFCE, LXDE?Nov 03 14:59
sebsebseband then Ubuntu for UNityNov 03 14:59
sebsebsebif they really want 2, Mageia and Ubuntu, becuase...Nov 03 14:59
sebsebsebif 3 people can debate about if it should be Mint or Open Suse as the 3rdNov 03 14:59
iophkOf the two, mint is the lesser problem.Nov 03 15:00
sebsebsebiophk: what if Mageia is rejected by them?Nov 03 15:00
iophkBuild a good case for using it.Nov 03 15:00
sebsebsebiophk: at the moment we got,  Mageia 4,  Open Suse, Mint, and possily Ubuntu as wellNov 03 15:00
sebsebsebthat's fourNov 03 15:00
sebsebseb,but only 2 or 3 is wantedNov 03 15:00
iophkUbuntu has Unity, so that is kind of a given.Nov 03 15:00
sebsebsebso at least one has to goNov 03 15:00
sebsebsebiophk: exactly Ubuntu is the only one with UnityNov 03 15:01
sebsebsebplus it's the more commonly known one etcNov 03 15:01
iophkMint is just Ubuntu.  Suse is M$Nov 03 15:01
sebsebsebso should be inNov 03 15:01
sebsebsebMint is just Ubuntu really except some changes and CInnamon and Mate which can run in Mageia 4 anywa from repo'sNov 03 15:01
sebsebsebiophk: and Open SUes is just whatever yeahNov 03 15:01
sebsebsebI think I'll put in the for reasons for Mageia and UbuntuNov 03 15:01
sebsebseband let people debate  Mint and OPen SuseNov 03 15:02
sebsebsebwhat can Open SUse do that Magiea can't?Nov 03 15:02
sebsebsebthat these people may want, I can't think of somethingNov 03 15:02
sebsebsebiophk: I thinkk it's Open Suse or  Mint that should go, if only having 3Nov 03 15:02
sebsebsebMageia 4 is also released at a great time for our eventNov 03 15:03
sebsebsebmeans it's still got 16 months of support leftNov 03 15:03
iophkMint + Ubuntu would be redundant since Mint is Ubuntu repackagedNov 03 15:03
iophkSupport timing is importantNov 03 15:03
sebsebsebyeah it's silly having both isn't it, Mint and UbuntuNov 03 15:03
sebsebsebcan run  Mate and Cinnamon in Ubuntu anywayNov 03 15:03
iophkor on mageia?Nov 03 15:03
sebsebsebyep or on MagieaNov 03 15:03
Sosumihttp://latewire.com/1195Nov 03 15:04
TechrightsBot-trlatewire.com | Thunderbolt in New Mac Pro Worse Than Previously ThoughtNov 03 15:04
sebsebsebiophk: Mageia 4 comes out at a great tie well a bit before our eventNov 03 15:04
Sosumicompreensible analisysNov 03 15:04
sebsebsebthat was  my whole idea as wellNov 03 15:04
sebsebsebiophk: best to give them a version of a distro that is supported 16 months still :dNov 03 15:04
Sosumialso thunderbolt is crap in all formsNov 03 15:04
sebsebsebthen one that only has a year or soleftNov 03 15:04
Sosumiglad that it didn't take over in the desktop pcNov 03 15:04
sebsebsebiophk: yep email writing timeNov 03 15:05
sebsebsebthe one about distrosNov 03 15:05
sebsebseband the one about usb sticks and being free swag unlessNov 03 15:05
sebsebseband  replies to others and yeahNov 03 15:05
iophkkeep them in separate mailsNov 03 15:05
sebsebsebyes I willNov 03 15:05
sebsebseband going to end up doing a fewNov 03 15:05
sebsebsebiophk: Mint was oringally started to make codecs easier to install into Ubuntu basicallyNov 03 15:06
sebsebseband then later became a Unity haters distroNov 03 15:06
sebsebsebUnity haters/dislikersNov 03 15:06
MinceRyou're saying that as if it was bad to hate unity :>Nov 03 15:06
sebsebsebiophk: it's better to gie peole Ubuntu as well, since they get more support htereNov 03 15:06
sebsebsebmassive #ubuntu channelNov 03 15:06
sebsebsebforums that go back over 10 yaears etcNov 03 15:06
sebsebsebI lik Mint IRC, but it's small etcNov 03 15:06
sebsebsebiophk: yep i have too do a unbaised  for Mageia and Ubuntu email I thinkNov 03 15:07
iophkUbuntu has good support.  Are you in time for the LTS in April?Nov 03 15:07
sebsebsebso when I metnion support I can say Mint verion gets the sme as Ubuntu, unless it's Deian based, but that's about as far as I goNov 03 15:07
sebsebsebiophk: no won't be in time for the LTS in AprilNov 03 15:07
sebsebseb,butNov 03 15:07
sebsebsebI have we could tel eople about that, they could intal laterNov 03 15:07
sebsebsebor upgradeNov 03 15:07
sebsebsebI have thought aboveNov 03 15:07
sebsebsebiophk: ,but yes the five years support stuff I'll put that inNov 03 15:08
sebsebsebiophk: apparantlly Canonical even help to some extent with Mageia's kernel updates by the wayNov 03 15:08
sebsebsebI mean say when there are security issues or whatever it wasNov 03 15:08
sebsebsebnot sure if that would be a selling  point for this, but yes there's some sort of callaboraitonNov 03 15:08
sebsebsebmore recentlyNov 03 15:08
iophkHow's the support for Mageia compared to the others?Nov 03 15:09
sebsebsebiophk: Magiea's welcome screen in Magiea 4 that's a good feature toNov 03 15:09
sebsebseba selling pointNov 03 15:09
sebsebsebiophk: support in general?Nov 03 15:09
sebsebsebvery good packaging and qa teamNov 03 15:09
iophkYes, for beginnersNov 03 15:09
sebsebseball volunteers, but vry goodNov 03 15:09
sebsebsebvery friendly commmunity to join for beginersNov 03 15:09
sebsebseband the welcome screen maks it ore clear how to join the community and recomnds some apps for them etcNov 03 15:10
sebsebsebthe graphical  Magiea control centreNov 03 15:10
sebsebsebthat's  a selling feature right thereNov 03 15:10
sebsebsebsort of like a Wndows XP control panel, but for a Linux distro, a launcherNov 03 15:10
sebsebseba very uer friendly feature that only the Mandriva like distros have,  or MandrivaNov 03 15:11
sebsebsebeverything else lacksNov 03 15:11
sebsebsebif 2  distor's this...Nov 03 15:12
sebsebsebif  3 this...Nov 03 15:12
sebsebsebafter doing freasons stuffNov 03 15:12
Sosumihttp://latewire.com/images/fekken_random/NewMP-hello.pngNov 03 15:13
sebsebsebiophk: how about how Magiea is all about stability htingNov 03 15:13
Sosumipict says allNov 03 15:13
sebsebsebiophk: versionfreze being on the 15th OctoberNov 03 15:13
sebsebseband then like three months of testingNov 03 15:13
sebsebsebiophk: I mean look at this release scheduled:  https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development#Development_PlanningNov 03 15:14
sebsebsebhttps://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development#Development_PlanningNov 03 15:14
TechrightsBot-trwiki.mageia.org | Mageia 4 Development - Mageia wiki  [ http://ur1.ca/fzbtn ]Nov 03 15:14
sebsebsebiophk: it's a non commercial distro, a very friendly community to join etcNov 03 15:14
sebsebsebhas the Mandriva legacy behind itNov 03 15:14
sebsebsebsince it was a fork byforer develoers etc etNov 03 15:14
sebsebsebcNov 03 15:15
sebsebsebMandriva/MandrakeNov 03 15:15
synchrisurpmi is preaty niceNov 03 15:17
sebsebsebsynchris: oh do you use it in what?Nov 03 15:17
sebsebseband your new here?Nov 03 15:17
synchrisi tried mageia i found it ok urpmi is better than yum more features better for solving conflicts and etcNov 03 15:18
sebsebsebsynchris: I don't knowNov 03 15:19
sebsebsebI haven't really used Open SUse properlyNov 03 15:19
synchrisbut i am fedora userNov 03 15:19
sebsebseb,but I am organising an event with some people fro my LUG for MarchNov 03 15:19
synchrissebsebseb: opensuse uses urpmi?Nov 03 15:19
sebsebseband  we haven't quite decided on ditros properly etcNov 03 15:19
sebsebsebno Open Suse uses yastNov 03 15:19
sebsebsebsynchris: and I actsallly contribute to MagieaNov 03 15:19
sebsebsebeveryone knows I want thatNov 03 15:19
sebsebseb,butNov 03 15:19
sebsebsebwe got 4 distros, and may only be going with 2 or 3Nov 03 15:20
sebsebsebso at least one has to go thenNov 03 15:20
synchrisi want speak about gentoo or anything relatedNov 03 15:20
sebsebsebMageia 4, (not released yet),  Open Suse,  Ubuntu 13.10,  MintNov 03 15:20
sebsebsebI think Mint or Open Suse should goNov 03 15:20
sebsebsebif only giong to have threeNov 03 15:20
iophktwo is better than threeNov 03 15:21
sebsebsebMageia 4 will be omre user firendly really nice graphical control centreNov 03 15:21
synchrisi can;t say that any distro fullfil my needsNov 03 15:21
sebsebseband a really nice new welcome sreen for the 4th versionNov 03 15:21
synchrisbut whatever mandriva was kind interesting back thenNov 03 15:21
iophkthe selection of desktop environments can be another discussion after selecting the distro to accompany UbuntuNov 03 15:21
synchrisi wanted to install mageia again but i have a lot of work arroundNov 03 15:21
sebsebsebiophk: the guy who wants Ubuntu his idea to show one with GNOE nad another with KDE I  don't like thatNov 03 15:22
iophkMe neither.Nov 03 15:22
iophkUbuntu should show only UnityNov 03 15:22
sebsebsebit willNov 03 15:22
sebsebsebhe mean others to show other oensNov 03 15:22
iophkthen use Mageia for two or three other DEsNov 03 15:22
sebsebsebCopying from email:Nov 03 15:23
sebsebsebI think, with regards to distributions, we should have the following:Nov 03 15:23
sebsebseb1x Gnome-based distro.Nov 03 15:23
sebsebseb1x KDE-based distro.Nov 03 15:23
sebsebseb1x *stock* Ubuntu distro.Nov 03 15:23
sebsebsebplus "one very cut down remix for old machines". Nov 03 15:23
sebsebsebthat's what he thinksNov 03 15:23
sebsebsebthe guy who wants UbuntuNov 03 15:23
iophkIt sounds reasonableNov 03 15:23
iophkBut that 1x distro should be all the same oneNov 03 15:24
sebsebsebiophk: Open Suse and Mageia are both KDE and GNOME distros thoughNov 03 15:24
sebsebsebyeah his thing proposes Nov 03 15:24
sebsebseb3Nov 03 15:24
sebsebseb,but if they really want  only 2, then Mageia and UbuntuNov 03 15:24
sebsebsebcan show KDE in two distor's and GNONE in two, I don't think a big dealNov 03 15:24
iophkGnome is overNov 03 15:25
sebsebsebnoNov 03 15:25
sebsebsebit's notNov 03 15:25
iophkGnome 3 killed itNov 03 15:25
sebsebsebnoNov 03 15:25
synchrisKDE is not betterNov 03 15:25
sebsebseband I am on about showing GNOME 3 when I say showing a GNOMENov 03 15:25
synchrisi use both kde ang gnomeNov 03 15:25
MinceRXFCE is, thoughNov 03 15:25
synchrisand some WMsNov 03 15:25
iophkI'd prioritize XFCENov 03 15:25
sebsebsebMinceR: XFCE is over?Nov 03 15:25
MinceRnopeNov 03 15:26
MinceRit's better than GnomeNov 03 15:26
sebsebsebiophk: I think I should do my thing for Mageia and MintNov 03 15:26
sebsebseband leave things open to anyone else for why may want Mint or Open SUseNov 03 15:26
iophkMint has Unity?Nov 03 15:26
sebsebsebthe guy who wants Open Suse can povide reaosns I am sure why he wnats that I am thinking of basicaly putting that in a emailNov 03 15:26
sebsebsebas wellNov 03 15:26
iophkI thought that was exclusive to UbuntuNov 03 15:26
synchrisa friend told but things about mint ;pNov 03 15:27
synchrisme*Nov 03 15:27
sebsebsebiophk: no Mint does not have UnityNov 03 15:27
synchrisbad*Nov 03 15:27
sebsebsebiophk: that's the reason why Ubuntu is inNov 03 15:27
sebsebsebit's the only one that can run Unity realyNov 03 15:27
iophkexaclyNov 03 15:27
MinceRisn't mint an ubuntu derivative?Nov 03 15:27
sebsebsebwhere as Mate and Cinnamon as I already put in a email from last nightNov 03 15:27
iophkyes it isNov 03 15:27
sebsebsebcan run in other distros anyway soNov 03 15:27
MinceRwhy can't it run unity, then?Nov 03 15:27
MinceRis unity so invasive?Nov 03 15:27
sebsebsebMinceR: I tried to run Unity in Mint beforeNov 03 15:28
sebsebseba year or so Nov 03 15:28
sebsebsebagoNov 03 15:28
sebsebsebI tried to install it from Ubuntu's repo's ,but nopeNov 03 15:28
sebsebsebit was black listd or whateverNov 03 15:28
sebsebsebwoudn't let me install it into MintNov 03 15:28
sebsebsebMinceR: maybe tha's changed now Nov 03 15:28
MinceRicNov 03 15:28
sebsebseb,but it was like they had done something on purpouse so that Unity woudn't be able to run in  MintNov 03 15:28
sebsebsebalso there's no point running Mint now anyway really, unless going to run Mate and Cinnamon, but that can run in other distros toNov 03 15:29
iophkso Mint is off the listNov 03 15:29
sebsebsebUnity will get tighed to MIRNov 03 15:29
sebsebsebI  guesNov 03 15:29
sebsebseband every other didstro or pretty much wil go WaylandNov 03 15:29
sebsebsebiophk: well maybe Mint can run Unity nowNov 03 15:29
sebsebseb,but if it's like what I put before stillNov 03 15:30
sebsebsebiophk: yeah Mint should be off the listNov 03 15:30
sebsebsebreallyNov 03 15:30
sebsebsebunless it's the cut down distor maybe or sethingNov 03 15:30
sebsebsebiophk: I guess I just do my email and whatever from thereNov 03 15:30
sebsebsebmy reaons for Mageia and UbuntuNov 03 15:30
sebsebsebiophk: ,but so I don't sound to biased or whatever, I an put in how I hae tried Min before and iked, but..Nov 03 15:31
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iophkgood luck with the emailNov 03 15:33
iophkgtgNov 03 15:33
sebsebsebiophk: yeah thanks :Nov 03 15:35
sebsebseb:)Nov 03 15:36
Snowleaksangei heard SteamOS described as a "post-singularity" distro.  its gonna be insaneNov 03 15:37
MinceRwhat does it mean?Nov 03 15:37
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Snowleaksangei interpreted as meaning extremely fancy/futuristicNov 03 15:38
sebsebsebwil they tell people that Steam OSNov 03 15:38
sebsebsebruns that uhmmm Linux thing or notNov 03 15:38
sebsebsebis the thingNov 03 15:38
sebsebsebor maybe they will just say it's based on that Ubuntu thingNov 03 15:38
sebsebseb,but nothing about Linux hmmNov 03 15:38
Snowleaksangepoor Linus.. hes popular enough thoNov 03 15:39
Snowleaksangei think most people know Linux behind Android, Ubuntu, and SteamOSNov 03 15:41
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: noNov 03 15:44
sebsebsebmost people who run Android on some deviceNov 03 15:44
sebsebsebhave no idea that there's some sort of Linux thing in itNov 03 15:44
sebsebseband what that isNov 03 15:44
sebsebsebthey are just consumers, notihing more, and nothing lessNov 03 15:44
Snowleaksangeah youre probably right about androidNov 03 15:45
Snowleaksangesince 100s of mils of people haveNov 03 15:45
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: yep and they have no idea about what it runs etcNov 03 15:46
Snowleaksangemost think a little green android lives in their phoneNov 03 15:46
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: I think many people just us their phonesNov 03 15:47
sebsebsebfor nearly everything now I mean like eail facebook etcNov 03 15:47
sebsebseb,becuase they reolise that Android works wellNov 03 15:47
sebsebsebon their device,  and way bettr htan their slow WIndows installNov 03 15:47
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: they use what works better for them instead, and don't care about trying to get the slow WIndows install working betterNov 03 15:47
Snowleaksangeyeah kids these days dont enough know what a desktop isNov 03 15:48
sebsebsebnot kidsNov 03 15:49
sebsebsebpeope in generalNov 03 15:49
sebsebsebthey blame the computer itself, wen it goes slow etcNov 03 15:49
sebsebsebwhen  really it's Windows usualyNov 03 15:49
sebsebsebthen a lot of younger people go anduse their phone or tablet for most stuff insteadNov 03 15:49
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Snowleaksangethe only people i know who use windows are my parents and someone who has an investment fund w bill gatesNov 03 15:53
Snowleaksangeoh also my grandparents and a few teachersNov 03 15:57
Snowleaksangeall old peopleNov 03 15:57
Snowleaksangeits frustrating to learn a new ui / new osNov 03 15:57
Snowleaksangems should make an os ontop of linux :)Nov 03 15:59
MinceRthey have a religious issue with copyleft :>Nov 03 16:29
Sosumiand I just spread poison on #MacOSX,Nov 03 16:37
Sosumiyes meet the Buttplug ProNov 03 16:37
MinceR:)Nov 03 16:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397073680439980032  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397080455914487809 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397089583953084416  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397098531565338624  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397104386868260864  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397116561192148992Nov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Richard Stallman on the Penal System  http://t.co/XRobuwjTsz #prison #law #usNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on the Penal System | TechrightsNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Free Software World Helps People Acquire/Regain #Privacy http://t.co/zWUv9PBQNH  #fsfe #kolab #switzerland #DarkMailNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Free Software World Helps People Acquire/Regain Privacy | TechrightsNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Britain Misuses the ‘Terrorist’ Label  http://t.co/By5aMpavbx #uk #press #freedom #truth #nsa #snowden #media #censorshipNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Britain Misuses the ‘Terrorist’ Label | TechrightsNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The ‘I Am Edward Snowden’ Defence  http://t.co/hBqYtVD6VS  #snowden #nsaNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The ‘I Am Edward Snowden’ Defence | TechrightsNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Confirmed: NSA Responsible for Assassination of Thousands of People (Many Innocents)  http://t.co/hhEhhpLA60 #nsa #cia #dronesNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Confirmed: NSA Responsible for Assassination of Thousands of People (Many Innocents) | TechrightsNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: UK govt. gets it: Proprietary software combined with built-in microphone and camera = #surveillance and #espionage http://t.co/oaJKR3HsjuNov 03 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.telegraph.co.uk | iPads banned from Cabinet meetings over surveillance fears - TelegraphNov 03 16:43
Snowleaksangepraise toronto mayor courage for not stepping down #crackprideNov 03 16:44
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397117801754005504Nov 03 16:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Politicians meet science http://t.co/WpmUyo4piK #climatechange #pr #windpower #science #texasNov 03 16:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397118264788402177Nov 03 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Facepalm https://t.co/Xe87JKUmoSNov 03 16:51
MinceR:DNov 03 16:52
SosumiNSA and the other alphabet agencies should just be broken in a thousand pieces and scattered to the windNov 03 16:53
Sosuminot that the FSB and others are any better, but at least it'd show a moral high groundNov 03 16:54
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MinceRhttp://www.politics.hu/20131103/quotable-antal-rogan-on-horthy-unveiling/Nov 03 17:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.politics.hu | Quotable: Antal Rogán on foreign reaction to unveiling of Horthy statue in Budapest | Politics.hu  [ http://ur1.ca/fzcey ]Nov 03 17:44
Sosumigarage band is now free just like moronicksNov 03 17:55
Sosumibut...Nov 03 17:55
Sosumiif you want additional loops and what nots, you have to pay 5€Nov 03 17:55
Sosumieven if you had payed for the old version which included allNov 03 17:56
Sosumiyay, crAppleNov 03 17:56
MinceRif i want to make music, i'll just use a trackerNov 03 17:56
MinceRlike fasttracker, impulse tracker, milkytracker, schism tracker or whateverNov 03 17:57
SosumiI was highlighting extersionNov 03 17:57
Sosuminothing moreNov 03 17:57
Sosumidoing music is something that doesn't ring anything with meNov 03 17:57
Sosumialthough I enjoy it a lotNov 03 17:58
Sosumibach and verdi to dio, korn and amon amarthNov 03 17:58
Sosumi*extortionNov 03 17:59
MinceRi've tried to create music, without good resultsNov 03 18:00
Sosumibut you can make computers sing, right?Nov 03 18:00
Sosumiso no worriesNov 03 18:01
Sosumi:)Nov 03 18:01
MinceR:)Nov 03 18:01
SosumiI've never bothered learning and I admit that I didn't do very well in music classes eitherNov 03 18:01
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Sosumiback in those days I was more interested in blowing things up than practicing violinNov 03 18:02
Sosumi*ratherNov 03 18:02
MinceRi'd care more about composing than playingNov 03 18:03
MinceRany sequencer can play musicNov 03 18:03
SosumiyepNov 03 18:03
Sosumiyou could be the new Vangelis :)Nov 03 18:03
Sosumihaven't heard of that guy for a while eitherNov 03 18:03
MinceRi would need formal training for thatNov 03 18:04
MinceRi can't fit it in my schedule yetNov 03 18:04
Sosumiwell, when you do start learning, let us hear itNov 03 18:06
Sosumiand do free software song remixNov 03 18:06
Sosumi*aNov 03 18:06
Sosumimy sleepyness is making me miss letters :PNov 03 18:07
MinceR:)Nov 03 18:07
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MinceRhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wetXMUrQpQs/ToyJskSvfMI/AAAAAAAAAIY/RUf2NzIlxSU/w694-h550-no/churchesthroughouthistory.jpgNov 04 01:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3232952Nov 04 02:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a WarrantNov 04 02:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fyv3k ]Nov 04 02:20
schestowitzAnyway, if one is to use a system with proprietary bits, I would at least recommend using one made by a company that isn't a founding member of PRISM..."Nov 04 02:20
iophkPretty much all systems have proprietary bits still.  Only gNewSense on  certain MIPS hardware is free of blobs.Nov 04 02:39
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iophkhttp://mashable.com/2013/11/03/steve-wozniak-apple-should-work-with-google-samsung/Nov 04 03:25
TechrightsBot-trmashable.com | Steve Wozniak: Apple Should Work With Google and Samsung  [ http://ur1.ca/fzeu4 ]Nov 04 03:25
iophkClose but still does not prevent sw patentsNov 04 03:26
Snowleaksangety woz for much needed civilityNov 04 03:27
iophkYeah, at least heNov 04 03:27
iophk''s trying to build bridgesNov 04 03:27
iophkGoogle and Apple have more to gain by working together.  Letting M$ play them off against each other only hurts both.Nov 04 03:28
iophkone example being that "rockstar" shennaniganNov 04 03:28
Snowleaksangesteve jobs felt android stolen product willing go thermonuclear on itNov 04 03:29
iophkyeah, that was at the endNov 04 03:29
Snowleaksangeonly he is allowed to steal products from xeroxNov 04 03:29
iophkI'm hoping they don't feel obligated to pursue that route too hard.Nov 04 03:29
iophkIt was probably the organ failure speaking.Nov 04 03:29
Snowleaksangepower corrupts etcNov 04 03:30
iophkyeah but he was insanely wealthy already for a very long time, and was more normal back thenNov 04 03:30
Snowleaksangefirst he revolutionized the computer, then the phone, not badNov 04 03:34
Snowleaksangelet alone the portable music playerNov 04 03:34
Snowleaksangegadget lordNov 04 03:34
Snowleaksangethanks for setting us freeNov 04 03:35
iophkseveral times.  The Apple II was open as heck but still managed to put a desktop in every department and small business because of VisicalcNov 04 03:37
iophkThen the Macintosh brought in desktop publishing, something partially done by office suites and word processing today.Nov 04 03:38
iophkThen he might have missed e-mail but via NeXT got in on the WWW.Nov 04 03:38
iophkI was kind of hoping he had a few more years in order to do for TV programming what he did for/to music.Nov 04 03:39
Snowleaksangethat would be sweet.  content fragmentation sucksNov 04 03:39
Snowleaksangetv is now my worst quality content alsoNov 04 03:40
Snowleaksangecomcast xfinity complete PoSNov 04 03:40
iophkI don't think Cook has the clout to pull it off, though.Nov 04 03:40
Snowleaksangeyeah hes seems visionlessNov 04 03:40
Snowleaksangedude needs to go on more ashramsNov 04 03:40
iophkJobs was infamous at negotiation and had the vision.Nov 04 03:40
iophkashrams won't unmake him a bean-counterNov 04 03:41
iophkApple is big, he'll keep it profitable for a while yet.Nov 04 03:41
iophkAnd Ive will keep it fashionable for a while.Nov 04 03:41
SnowleaksangeyeahNov 04 03:41
iophkBut it is not likely to produce big changes any more.Nov 04 03:42
iophkStill, I think the TV thing might have been almost there, so I hope it can be pulled off.Nov 04 03:43
Snowleaksangei wonder if increased content shows will catch onNov 04 03:44
Snowleaksangebasically multiple "seasons" per yearNov 04 03:44
iophkProduction no longer needs to be tied to seasons.Nov 04 03:44
iophkSo, yeah, that could happen.Nov 04 03:44
SnowleaksangeyeahNov 04 03:45
Snowleaksangetimed release can accomplish same but leaks likelyNov 04 03:45
Snowleaksangewell i guess that what always going on w tvNov 04 03:45
Snowleaksangeso leaks not problemNov 04 03:46
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MinceRgeekingsNov 04 04:17
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/us-officials-say-forget-about-clemency-for-snowden/Nov 04 06:42
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfhr ]Nov 04 06:42
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/too-much-cash-causes-pirate-admin-to-quit-43k-ebook-dump-imminent-131103/Nov 04 06:49
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Too Much Cash Causes Pirate Admin to Quit, 43K Ebook Dump Imminent | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfij ]Nov 04 06:49
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MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/1286/Nov 04 07:58
TechrightsBot-trxkcd.com | xkcd: EncrypticNov 04 07:58
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MinceRhttp://www.pidjin.net/2013/10/31/the-circle-of-faith/Nov 04 08:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.pidjin.net | The circle of faith « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfu1 ]Nov 04 08:47
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sebsebsebhi iophkNov 04 10:20
sebsebsebthings aren't looking so goodNov 04 10:20
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schestowitzsale of tux machines now finalisedNov 04 11:24
schestowitz"Nov 04 11:25
schestowitz> Whenever I've seen a manager-type with such a device, I wonder how oftenNov 04 11:25
schestowitz> his competitors are in his machine with the microphone on.  WindowsNov 04 11:25
schestowitz> notebooks have been in board rooms and meeting rooms for a long time.Nov 04 11:25
schestowitz> Before that it was 'normal' desktop computers tricked out with aNov 04 11:25
schestowitz> microphone for conferencing.  Wasn't there an incident a few years aogNov 04 11:25
schestowitz> with a national parliament or EU committee under such surveillance?  INov 04 11:25
schestowitz> can't find the article but seem to recall such an event.Nov 04 11:25
schestowitzWhy go years back? Only a couple of months ago there was a HUGE scandalNov 04 11:25
schestowitzwhen the Snowden leaks revealed EU Parl was cracked and bugged by the NSA. They're still not over it and some treaty agreements got called off due to this. Then, famous privacy advocates including an MI5 whistleblower came to speak in front of EU Parl about it. I don't know how exactly they were bugged, but this was clearly political espionage. Earlier this year the Equadorian embassy in London found a microphone planted inside, spying Nov 04 11:25
schestowitzon the staff there (and Assange). I guess they were smart enough to avoid built-in mics, but someone somehow planted a wireless devices in the walls there.Nov 04 11:25
schestowitz"Nov 04 11:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: I am not happyNov 04 11:27
iophksebsebseb: Mageia issues?Nov 04 11:32
sebsebsebiophk: uhNov 04 11:32
sebsebsebmore like event organising issuesNov 04 11:32
sebsebsebiophk: they want a vote on distros to be done on the remastersNov 04 11:33
sebsebsebat the next meetingNov 04 11:33
sebsebsebhe wantsNov 04 11:33
sebsebsebthe event co ordinaterNov 04 11:33
sebsebsebhe also thinks he should get the cast vote if whatever, still got this guy away in USA the 5th oneNov 04 11:33
sebsebsebiophk: so basically Magiea could get voted out htenNov 04 11:33
iophkIt doesn't make sense to vote on themNov 04 11:33
sebsebsebeven though it would be one of the best ones for new users coming from WIndowsNov 04 11:33
iophklogic dictates that to have Unity there must be UbuntuNov 04 11:33
iophkthat rules out MintNov 04 11:34
sebsebsebit's also not realy been decided on what distro to have for what DENov 04 11:34
sebsebsebiophk: right, but Mint hasn't been ruled outNov 04 11:34
sebsebsebit's stll inNov 04 11:34
sebsebsebto be vted onNov 04 11:34
sebsebsebiophk: I was making a pastebinNov 04 11:34
sebsebsebto shw soeone else with some stuffNov 04 11:34
sebsebseb,bt I can show you toNov 04 11:34
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/11/04/messing-with-competition-again-m-scraps-skype-api/Nov 04 11:38
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Messing With Competition Again, M$ Scraps Skype API  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fzggr ]Nov 04 11:38
iophk“They did that to prevent any end-to-end encryption plugins that might show up"Nov 04 11:38
sebsebsebiophk: the two best distros are probablly realy Mageia and Open SUseNov 04 11:38
sebsebseband with KDE in particularNov 04 11:38
sebsebsebfor Widows usersNov 04 11:39
sebsebsebfamilur etcNov 04 11:39
iophkNot SUse , that's M$Nov 04 11:39
sebsebsebiophk: that's what someone from  Magiea project basically said to meNov 04 11:39
iophkThe discussiino you guys should be having should be about the Desktop Environments not the distrosNov 04 11:39
sebsebsebiophk: what do I do if Mageia doesn't become one of them?Nov 04 11:39
sebsebsebgive my reasonsNov 04 11:39
sebsebseband ask them if they erally want me to leae the project?Nov 04 11:39
iophkdo you have your reasons written on paperNov 04 11:39
sebsebsebiophk: agreed it should be about hte de's not the distro'sNov 04 11:39
iophk?Nov 04 11:39
sebsebsebit's ok to show Maigee and Open SUse with KDE and GNOMENov 04 11:40
sebsebsebtwo distrosNov 04 11:40
iophkpeople absorb ideas better when on paperNov 04 11:40
sebsebsebI have done stuff in eialsNov 04 11:40
sebsebsebetcNov 04 11:40
sebsebsebemais reallyNov 04 11:40
sebsebsebiophk: yeah it shoud't be about distor's as uchNov 04 11:41
sebsebsebit should be about which de's to show, and shown by what distro/sNov 04 11:41
sebsebsebwhich interfaceNov 04 11:41
sebsebseband my prposal would be this:Nov 04 11:41
sebsebsebUbuntu for UNityNov 04 11:41
sebsebsebMagiea for GNOME and KDE, and if te othe guy wants it Open SUse maybe to for htatNov 04 11:42
sebsebsebUbuntu for UnityNov 04 11:42
sebsebsebif havingNov 04 11:42
sebsebseband we need something Windows like o KDE is good for thatNov 04 11:43
iophkNo gnome anymore, just XFCENov 04 11:43
iophkit's an easier transitinoNov 04 11:43
iophktranstionNov 04 11:44
sebsebseband it should more fmailur than Mate and Cinnmoan as wellNov 04 11:45
sebsebsebSFCE sure,but I can't just show that on a lie sessoinNov 04 11:50
sebsebsebMageia only does GNOME and KDE Live Media's by defaultNov 04 11:50
sebsebsebmaybe Open Suse has a XCFCE Live CD an that's what it can be used for then uhNov 04 11:50
MinceRiirc Debian has an XFCE live cdNov 04 11:51
sebsebseband there's Xubuntu hmNov 04 11:52
sebsebsebmNov 04 11:52
sebsebsebMinceR: I am annyed with this stuffNov 04 11:52
sebsebsebI think if I don't get things how I want itNov 04 11:52
sebsebsebwhen this vote or whateverNov 04 11:52
sebsebsebI may just say to themNov 04 11:52
sebsebsebdo you really wnt Nov 04 11:52
sebsebsebwant me to leae the rpoject?Nov 04 11:52
sebsebsebafter all thisNov 04 11:52
sebsebseb?Nov 04 11:52
sebsebseband this to me is like doing a course, and then it being axed towards the end after already done coursework for it,  and that's annoying, and I have bee in that postio beforeNov 04 11:52
MinceRnot sure where i've found it, but   http://live.debian.net/   has the imagesNov 04 11:52
TechrightsBot-trlive.debian.net | Live Systems ProjectNov 04 11:52
sebsebsebMinceR: Debian itself isn't in at the momentNov 04 11:53
sebsebsebMint Ubuntu, Mageia, Open SUseNov 04 11:53
MinceRwell, here's an opportunity to add itNov 04 11:53
MinceR:)Nov 04 11:53
sebsebseband voting on distros is sillyNov 04 11:53
sebsebsebrealyNov 04 11:53
sebsebsebwe shoud just agree on de's and what distro to have for thatNov 04 11:53
iophkyesNov 04 11:53
sebsebsebiophk: yep that's what I a going to say etcNov 04 11:54
MinceRi don't know what distros have xfce live images other than debian and xubuntuNov 04 11:55
sebsebseboh  Mint has one I Think actusalyNov 04 11:55
sebsebseband I think PC Linux OS as welNov 04 11:55
sebsebsebiophk: also I am not sure what one guy was doing,but I think he was making more than just a standard remasterNov 04 11:56
sebsebsebiophk: another isuse I got is no jitsi in Magiea uh, and they wanted thatNov 04 11:56
sebsebsebI can try a bug report, maybe it can get added in for  Mageia 4 hmmNov 04 11:56
iophkIs Jitsi in any distro at all?Nov 04 11:56
sebsebsebOpen SUse has itNov 04 11:56
iophkYes try to get it packaged for Mageia4Nov 04 11:56
sebsebsebUbuntu/Mint has itNov 04 11:56
sebsebsebDebian has itNov 04 11:56
sebsebsebDebian it took a while for htem to get it into offica repo's I saw something on the site last nightNov 04 11:57
sebsebsebiophk: I think a non technical user would just go and carry o using SKype though, if given the option of the twoNov 04 11:57
iophkpossibly but if Jitsi is installed for them, they have the option of breaking the lock-in.Nov 04 11:58
iophkRemember Skype does control some of its market share purely by network effect and lock-inNov 04 11:58
sebsebsebiophk: if something else is consired,becuse of the lack of jitsi that's sillyNov 04 11:58
sebsebseb,but I guess I should tell them really about htis hmmNov 04 11:58
sebsebseb?Nov 04 11:58
iophkyes get the discussion about DE going, tooNov 04 12:00
sebsebsebyep going to do that todayNov 04 12:00
sebsebsebiophk: he didn't respond well to my email aboutNov 04 12:00
sebsebsebUbuntu and MagieaNov 04 12:00
sebsebseb,but I replied to hi saing to the guy, does that mean no Mint maybeNov 04 12:00
iophkdid he present any specific objections?Nov 04 12:00
sebsebsebiophk: no he was just likeNov 04 12:01
sebsebsebno he just basialy he wanted to know what the othe guy had for opions etcNov 04 12:01
sebsebsebI'll show you in the pastebinNov 04 12:01
sebsebsebiophk: not the email I sent out thoughNov 04 12:01
sebsebsebwell I could,but ehNov 04 12:01
iophkhttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/google-to-spend-another-450-mn-euros-on-finnish-data-centre/articleshow/25213084.cmsNov 04 12:02
TechrightsBot-treconomictimes.indiatimes.com | Google to spend another 450 mn euros on Finnish data centre - The Economic Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgj8 ]Nov 04 12:02
sebsebsebuhmm Iceland would be betterNov 04 12:02
sebsebsebit's cold thereNov 04 12:02
sebsebsebthey  can use nature to cool down the data centre'sNov 04 12:02
sebsebsebthe serversNov 04 12:02
iophkCold in Finland, too, and the heating can be used to heat neighborhoodsNov 04 12:02
iophkhttp://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2304740/google-to-expand-finnish-data-centreNov 04 12:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.computing.co.uk | Google to expand Finnish data centre - 04 Nov 2013  - Computing News  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgj9 ]Nov 04 12:02
sebsebsebiophk: in the summer it isnt' that cold in Finland thoughNov 04 12:03
sebsebseband I think Iceland gets colder in the winter Nov 04 12:03
sebsebsebprobablyNov 04 12:03
iophkplus in Finland there is a nearby nuclear plant and hydro stationNov 04 12:03
iophkand the cables from Russia run through near by, tooNov 04 12:03
iophkmaybe it is those cables they are afterNov 04 12:03
sebsebsebohNov 04 12:03
sebsebseband which cables?Nov 04 12:03
iophkInternetNov 04 12:03
sebsebsebohNov 04 12:03
sebsebsebiophk: shouold I say in my emailNov 04 12:04
sebsebsebthat I think it's silly to vote on distros like thatNov 04 12:04
sebsebsebI guess soNov 04 12:04
iophkIt's as close as they can get without crossing the borderNov 04 12:04
sebsebsebiophk: I have ben right next to the border when I was youngNov 04 12:04
sebsebsebthe former Finnish part of now RussiaNov 04 12:04
sebsebsebI was next to no mans land a riverNov 04 12:04
iophkhttp://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24447759/google-apple-and-other-tech-giants-look-postNov 04 12:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.mercurynews.com | Google, Apple and other tech giants look to a post-'cookie' era - San Jose Mercury News  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgjw ]Nov 04 12:08
iophkhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2013/11/04/amazon-thanks-faa-with-by-putting-kindles-on-sale/3431505/Nov 04 12:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.usatoday.com | Amazon 'thanks' FAA by putting Kindles on sale  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgkq ]Nov 04 12:16
sebsebsebiophk: ok hereNov 04 12:16
sebsebsebiophk: http://pastebin.com/rm2KbFKQNov 04 12:16
TechrightsBot-trpastebin.com | Peter:    On 04/11/13 01:15, Sebastian wrote:  >  >>> I think, with regards to d - Pastebin.comNov 04 12:16
iophkWell you agree on Ubuntu for Unity and on some of the DEsNov 04 12:17
sebsebsebiophk: are you reading the paste?Nov 04 12:17
sebsebsebproblem is it isn't as simple as just thatNov 04 12:17
sebsebsebI thought it would be, but nopeNov 04 12:17
sebsebsebUbuntu forUnityNov 04 12:18
sebsebseband then we pick some other de's and what distro or distro's to have showing thatNov 04 12:18
iophkMageia for XFCE and KDE makes sense to meNov 04 12:18
sebsebsebiophk: yepNov 04 12:18
iophkThat gives people a choice of 3 DEsNov 04 12:18
sebsebsebor  not XFCE since no ive media uhNov 04 12:18
iophkLive XFCE with Xubuntu if you want to go that direction.Nov 04 12:19
iophkUsing remasters is a waste of effort and does not take advantage of the work that went into the finished, standard distros, especially the QANov 04 12:20
sebsebsebiophk: yeah  I knowNov 04 12:21
sebsebseb,but still no XFCE Live media's for MgeiaNov 04 12:21
iophkI'd see about getting them to accept the idea of standard distros.Nov 04 12:21
sebsebsebthere's a nice XFCE, but has to be installed from repo'sNov 04 12:21
sebsebsebiophk: no they are stuck on the remaster ideaNov 04 12:21
sebsebseboffical reop's like you are suggesitng won't fly nowNov 04 12:21
iophkI thought there were going to be demo machines with Linux installed?Nov 04 12:21
sebsebsebaltough I think this toher guy said ike, are we going to have some of thoe as wellNov 04 12:21
iophkNo network there?Nov 04 12:21
sebsebsebdemo machinesNov 04 12:21
sebsebseband then give out the remastersNov 04 12:21
sebsebseband there's wifi and ethenret in the venueNov 04 12:22
sebsebsebroomNov 04 12:22
iophkright but wifi and ethernet connected to what?Nov 04 12:22
iophk56K modem?Nov 04 12:22
iophkWhat problem to they aim to solve with the remasters?  Nov 04 12:23
sebsebsebto have more stuff pre installedNov 04 12:25
sebsebsebthat  Joe and Jane aerage may want pre installedNov 04 12:25
iophkmore is not necessarily better, and as mentioned before walking them through an installation is important trainingNov 04 12:26
iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/11/04/nokia-samsung-extend-their-secretive-patent-deal-another-5-years-avoiding-yet-another-mobile-patent-suit-shoring-up-for-others/Nov 04 12:26
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Nokia, Samsung Extend Their Secretive Patent Deal Another 5 Years, Avoiding Yet Another Mobile Patent Suit, Shoring Up For Others?  |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/fzglv ]Nov 04 12:26
iophkThe article misrepresents the sale price by lumping in patent leases with the purchase priceNov 04 12:27
sebsebsebiophk: ah yes the $5  to Microsoft for every Android devicesold thing yes?Nov 04 12:29
iophkSomethingNov 04 12:29
sebsebsebiophk: your on about that yes?Nov 04 12:29
sebsebseb$5 to Micrsooft for every Android device sale?Nov 04 12:29
sebsebsebiophk: maybe thtat's apt of it won't say thereNov 04 12:32
sebsebseb,but yeah there was that newsNov 04 12:32
sebsebsebhow they sued Samsung etcNov 04 12:32
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iophkA little old - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/business/media/pogue-times-technology-columnist-is-leaving-for-yahoo.htmlNov 04 14:14
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgz0 ]Nov 04 14:14
iophkWill he get replaced by a technologist or a just another M$ sales writer?Nov 04 14:15
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MinceR Nov 04 15:35
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Sosumi56K modems remind of the jokeNov 04 16:41
Sosumiwhen I used to say that I had a SupraNov 04 16:41
Sosumiand everyone thought I had a Toyota SupraNov 04 16:42
MinceRso did iNov 04 16:42
Sosumibut then I said a Diamond Supra v92Nov 04 16:42
Sosumiand it was lawlNov 04 16:42
MinceRi don't know what that isNov 04 16:43
MinceRoh, a modem?Nov 04 16:43
SosumiyesNov 04 16:43
MinceR:)Nov 04 16:44
Sosumiand that was back in 2001 to 2003 when I finally got dsl in my locationNov 04 16:45
Sosumiobviously that the way I referred to the "supra" wasn't exactly mine, it'd as if my grandparents owned oneNov 04 16:46
SosumiI was like 12 at the timeNov 04 16:46
MinceR:)Nov 04 16:46
Sosumibut well between the renault safrane biturbo that my grandfather still owns and the supraNov 04 16:47
SosumiI'd go with the renault anywaysNov 04 16:47
MinceRi wouldn'tNov 04 16:47
Sosumiit's a nice carNov 04 16:47
Sosumiand renault actually made durable stuffNov 04 16:48
MinceRyeah, the sherpaNov 04 16:48
MinceRnot sure if it's reliable at all, thoughNov 04 16:48
Sosumifor example, I drive a bit older carNov 04 16:49
Sosumia renault 21 turboNov 04 16:49
Sosumithat is as old as meNov 04 16:49
Sosumihttp://static.fjcdn.com/comments/I+ll+pack+a+pack+of+alpaca+milk+_77328ba1f970133110cfdf387c788986.jpgNov 04 16:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.funnyjunk.com | I'll pack a pack of alpaca milk. - Comment #34 added by yournewestgod at ALPACAS!  [ http://ur1.ca/fzhps ]Nov 04 16:50
Sosumibut that is the best renault everNov 04 16:50
Sosumirenault alpacaNov 04 16:50
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SosumiI kid... but wouldn't mind getting a Renault Alpine A610Nov 04 16:51
MinceRi'd rather have a Land CruiserNov 04 16:51
MinceRor a lexus lxNov 04 16:51
Sosumiisn't lexus just a luxuary toyota?Nov 04 16:52
Sosumior hondaNov 04 16:52
MinceRit isNov 04 16:52
MinceRthe formerNov 04 16:52
Sosumiwell I just wouldn't mind a tesla or some quality, only electric carNov 04 16:54
Sosumithat or fuel cellNov 04 16:54
Sosumithat actually simplifies the whole and makes it cheaper to run and maintainNov 04 16:54
Sosumifor the sake of simplicityNov 04 16:57
MinceRi wouldn't mind that eitherNov 04 16:58
Sosumibut I really doubt that the national electrical grid would cope with suddendly electric cars becoming available at an affordable priceNov 04 16:58
MinceRbut afaik tesla isn't mature yetNov 04 16:58
SosumiyeahNov 04 16:58
Sosumijust read of one catching fireNov 04 16:58
MinceRi've recently read of its controllers crashingNov 04 16:58
MinceRoften, that isNov 04 16:58
SosumiouchNov 04 17:01
Sosumibut I wander how it'd be to ride an alapace to classNov 04 17:04
Sosumi*alpacaNov 04 17:04
Sosumicertainly, it'd be legendaryNov 04 17:04
Sosumibut, lawlNov 04 17:04
Sosumiand christmas is already here, waste your money in chinese made crap, 10 months no interestNov 04 17:07
MinceRit would be slow and smellyNov 04 17:07
Sosumistill legendaryNov 04 17:07
Sosumithe only way to topple that'd be ridding a gnu and roam against all the crApple and facebook enforcing teachers at my universityNov 04 17:08
MinceR:>Nov 04 17:09
Sosumibuttplug proNov 04 17:09
SosumiI still don't know how I wasn't expelled from one class when I launched that in that airNov 04 17:09
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MinceRgnNov 04 18:07
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link via Engadget.Nov 04 21:51
DaemonFC2 minutes agoNov 04 21:51
DaemonFCThe "jet engine" Mac Pro has been repeatedly derided for looking more like a trash can, and using a crippled FirePro card. Apple has this insane objection to fan noise. You can have fan noise or a slow computer. :) It has been possible to buy PCs assembled by American workers for the entire history of the PC, including the period of time between 2002, when Apple closed its last US-based assembly plant in California and fired all of the Nov 04 21:51
DaemonFCAmerican workers there, and even now. System76 and ThinkPenguin build all of their systems here and ships them with GNU/Linux. You're not only supporting American jobs, you are investing in Freedom.Nov 04 21:51
DaemonFCRyan FarmerNov 04 21:53
DaemonFCApple plans to open many small assembly plants where it can easily fire everyone working there if they try to unionize. This will let them pay very low wages.Nov 04 21:53
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iophkAnother rewrite of history to smear Childs again: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2013/11/04/think-hoarding-passwords-keeps-you-safe-from-firing-think-again/Nov 05 01:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Think Hoarding Passwords Keeps You Safe From Firing? Think Again - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjar ]Nov 05 01:22
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iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2060700/new-supercomputer-uses-ssds-as-alternative-to-dram-hard-drives.htmlNov 05 03:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | New supercomputer uses SSDs as alternative to DRAM, hard drives | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjm5 ]Nov 05 03:09
iophkfor .se only - http://falkvinge.net/2013/11/04/vote-christian-for-the-pirate-party-eu-ballot-heres-why/Nov 05 03:34
TechrightsBot-trfalkvinge.net | Vote Christian For The Pirate Party EU Ballot - Here's Why - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjo1 ]Nov 05 03:34
iophkCommodification of the OS - http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/os-x-mavericks-vs-windows-81-which-really-free-230046Nov 05 03:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | OS X Mavericks vs. Windows 8.1: Which is really free? | Data Center - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjon ]Nov 05 03:39
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/gmail-stays-up-as-google-rejects-microsoft-dmca-takedown-notice-131102/Nov 05 03:42
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Gmail Stays Up as Google Rejects Microsoft DMCA Takedown Notice | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjp7 ]Nov 05 03:42
iophkThe take-down notices ought to have a $5 processing fee with an additional, larger fee if the take-down turns out to be bogus.Nov 05 03:43
iophkhttp://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/so-the-internets-about-to-lose-its-net-neutrality/Nov 05 03:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | We're About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It | Wired Opinion | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzg8o ]Nov 05 03:46
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/05/exploding_whale_man_dies/Nov 05 03:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Unsung DEAD WHALE EXPLODER hero, who gave the early internet a purpose, passes away • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjq0 ]Nov 05 03:50
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MinceRgeekingsNov 05 04:13
iophkAsay - http://readwrite.com/2013/11/04/sorry-open-source-isnt-the-panacea-for-healthcaregovNov 05 04:15
TechrightsBot-trreadwrite.com | Sorry, Open Source Isn't The Panacea For HealthCare.gov – ReadWrite  [ http://ur1.ca/fzju0 ]Nov 05 04:15
iophk"The culprit behind the system failures was the meatier, more difficult  back-end software, which was written by 50-plus contractors behind  closed doors and released in the old-school, legacy software fashion"Nov 05 04:15
MinceRbut there's no problem with that at all? :>Nov 05 04:19
MinceRmac asay bought so deeply into nonfree software he doesn't even realize what he's sayingNov 05 04:20
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iophkold - http://dodcio.defense.gov/OpenSourceSoftwareFAQ.aspxNov 05 04:24
TechrightsBot-trdodcio.defense.gov | Open Source Software FAQ  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjvb ]Nov 05 04:24
XFaCEschestowitz: MinceR https://twitter.com/rkkski/status/288956938778189824/photo/1Nov 05 04:31
TechrightsBot-tr@rkkski: Телефон на виндоуз 8 просит диск вставить #facepalm http://t.co/fZ3Al4zTNov 05 04:31
TechrightsBot-tr@rkkski: Телефон на виндоуз 8 просит диск вставить #facepalm http://t.co/fZ3Al4zTNov 05 04:31
MinceR:)Nov 05 04:31
XFaCEMinceR: the authentic windows experience - now on mobile phones!Nov 05 04:32
MinceRindeedNov 05 04:32
iophkhttp://fsfe.org/news/nl/nl-201311.en.htmlNov 05 04:44
TechrightsBot-trfsfe.org | FSFE Newsletter - November 2013  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjxo ]Nov 05 04:44
DaemonFCRyan Farmer No. If you're ever curious about how much Comcast's customers like them, just look at their Facebook page. They were voted Worst Company in America several times by The Consumerist. They upped our cable internet rates again so they can give the people who breed themselves into poverty a $10 a month internet connection so they can watch porn....Nov 05 05:22
DaemonFCRyan Farmer To be fair, if you give someone a computer with Microsoft Windows on it, the $10 a month internet plan could be considered reparation.Nov 05 05:22
DaemonFCRyan Farmer My mother made me laugh when I was over at her house the other day. My stepdad was watching Fox News, and there were a couple of people screaming over each other about Obamacare. My mom was like "Oh my God. Do we have to watch this? Can we get some peace and quiet in this house on our day off?" I can't believe that people pay for cable. I don't want to spend my money to bring that violent garbage into my house. People wonder why Nov 05 05:49
DaemonFCthis country is so messed up. You can see dozens of people murdered every hour on cable, but no sex. Shouldn't it be the other way around? In most of Europe you can turn on the TV and see sex but not dozens of murders. People wonder why we have the highest murder rate in the developed world. People wonder why kids shoot up their schools. Garbage in. Garbage out. That, and guns are really easy to get, even if you're a braindead loser.Nov 05 05:49
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/0O6hKDb.jpgNov 05 05:52
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iophk"Most important, if you spent real money on a Skype phone --  one that has Skype controls on the handset or headset -- those fancy  buttons won't work after the end of the year. "Nov 05 07:28
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/application-development/microsoft-kills-skype-third-party-tools-the-desktop-230101Nov 05 07:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Microsoft kills Skype third-party tools for the desktop | Application development - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzko7 ]Nov 05 07:28
iophkArticle fails to mention JitsiNov 05 07:29
iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/bill-gates-wont-seek-microsoft-comeback-too-busy-trying-to-be-top-dog-philanthropist-7000022806/Nov 05 07:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | Bill Gates won't seek Microsoft comeback - too busy trying to be top dog philanthropist | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/fzkp0 ]Nov 05 07:33
iophkMore overreach Nov 05 07:44
iophkhttp://fcw.com/articles/2013/11/04/dhs-hammering-out-cybersecurity-planning.aspxNov 05 07:44
TechrightsBot-trfcw.com | DHS hammering out cybersecurity planning -- FCW  [ http://ur1.ca/fzkqj ]Nov 05 07:44
iophkbut not addressing one of the core problems - continued Windows useNov 05 07:44
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/05/tor-beginners-guide-nsa-browserNov 05 08:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | What is Tor? A beginner's guide to the privacy tool | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzkxt ]Nov 05 08:21
schestowitzkiZDNet still grooming Gates, owned by Ziff/gatesNov 05 09:51
schestowitzoh, sorrtNov 05 09:51
schestowitzthey went bankruptNov 05 09:51
schestowitznow CBSNov 05 09:51
schestowitziophk: FCW is pro-MicrosoftNov 05 09:52
schestowitznot just cause it's Windows-poweredNov 05 09:52
iophkwhat's the biggest change there?Nov 05 09:52
schestowitzin zdnet?Nov 05 09:55
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397706612234027008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397705615763857409  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397737579728338944  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397738471655501824  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397738882286235648Nov 05 10:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: CIA made doctors torture suspected terrorists after 9/11, taskforce finds http://t.co/F1ymNhCN8H how would the medical profession feel?Nov 05 10:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | CIA made doctors torture suspected terrorists after 9/11, taskforce finds | World news | The GuardianNov 05 10:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Lavabit's Dark Mail Initiative by Ladar Levison  http://t.co/bOJ5zyomMe help make #email not an open postcardNov 05 10:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.kickstarter.com | Lavabit's Dark Mail Initiative by Ladar Levison — KickstarterNov 05 10:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: What is Tor? A beginner's guide to the privacy tool http://t.co/ejimdq12iM #tor #privacyNov 05 10:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Embrace, destroy, spy: Microsoft "shutting down all third-party access to its desktop API at the end of the year" http://t.co/b3YxT6SsI9Nov 05 10:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "If you want to speak English..." http://t.co/pdhB3CyLi6Nov 05 10:03
schestowitz[09:15] <iophk> Asay - http://readwrite.com/2013/11/04/sorry-open-source-isnt-the-panacea-for-healthcaregovNov 05 10:03
schestowitzSNov 05 10:03
TechrightsBot-trreadwrite.com | Sorry, Open Source Isn't The Panacea For HealthCare.gov – ReadWrite  [ http://ur1.ca/fzju0 ]Nov 05 10:03
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schestowitzAsayroll (troll) some in the FOSS community call himNov 05 10:03
iophkhe still pops up from time to timeNov 05 10:04
schestowitzIn the publication run by Dan LyonsNov 05 10:14
schestowitzHe also had him on his shiowNov 05 10:14
iophkI forgot about lyonsNov 05 10:15
schestowitzthey're friendsNov 05 10:15
schestowitzThe anti-Groklaw/RMS/Liniux guy and AsayNov 05 10:15
iophkI hadn't seen his writing for a whileNov 05 10:15
schestowitzWhen Asay invited him to the show he and a colleague asked me if I wanted to relay questions for the show to LyonsNov 05 10:15
schestowitziophk: he works in PR nowNov 05 10:15
schestowitzsee techrightsNov 05 10:15
iophkhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=lyons&ns0=1&fulltext=SearchNov 05 10:17
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Search results - Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlg2 ]Nov 05 10:17
iophkhttp://techrights.org/index.php?s=lyonsNov 05 10:18
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Lyons | TechrightsNov 05 10:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397742091675369472  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397742894704234497  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397744668320215041 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397744910654533632  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397745961654816769Nov 05 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: We’re About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It http://t.co/sGrYbMS2RM #censorship and tired Web (classes)Nov 05 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.com | We're About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It | Wired Opinion | Wired.comNov 05 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How not to deal with whales http://t.co/zOH2vIHocd I guess he won't be getting the 'whale treatment'Nov 05 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theregister.co.uk | Unsung DEAD WHALE EXPLODER hero, who gave the early internet a purpose, passes away • The RegisterNov 05 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steve Wozniak: Apple Should Work With Google and Samsung http://t.co/Pp3S5XF3wP no, thanks, keep #apple out of #androidNov 05 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> mashable.com | Steve Wozniak: Apple Should Work With Google and SamsungNov 05 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden http://t.co/1u6cXiCqj1 he aided the people of the US. Serious offence.Nov 05 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden | Ars TechnicaNov 05 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: New supercomputer uses SSDs as alternative to DRAM, hard drives http://t.co/3keHobtOyy  #server #ssdNov 05 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.pcworld.com | New supercomputer uses SSDs as alternative to DRAM, hard drives | PCWorldNov 05 10:26
schestowitziophk: http://techrights.org/2013/03/28/readwrite-run-by-dan-lyons/Nov 05 10:27
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Pro-Microsoft Rag ReadWrite is Losing the Microsoft Booster Who Ran It, HubSpot Infected Though | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/d75a2 ]Nov 05 10:27
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397747220864569344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397747660188581888Nov 05 10:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Castex Resolution on Private Copying Must Take Sharing Into Account! http://t.co/AsJr3jv8te #copyright #sharingNov 05 10:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.laquadrature.net | The Castex Resolution on Private Copying Must Take Sharing Into Account! | La Quadrature du NetNov 05 10:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "small businesses can easily deploy Apache OpenOffice on their own (75 million downloads testifies to that)" http://t.co/6Eg10edftwNov 05 10:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.robweir.com | IBM Support for Apache OpenOfficeNov 05 10:33
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iophkAh.  That would explain the position of RWW on FOSS.Nov 05 10:37
schestowitzcool, we just won another gov vontractNov 05 10:39
schestowitzLondon authNov 05 10:39
schestowitzgot the news minutes ago, I visited them last month and made a good impressionNov 05 10:40
schestowitzThis adds to our recent gov.uk wins at the Parliamentary Health Service Ombundsman, Home Office, CESG and some work with the NHS. Also some city councils...Nov 05 10:40
schestowitzFOSS is being adopted by our govt not just in words anymoreNov 05 10:40
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iophkThat's good news.  What is the nature of the contract, if it's public?Nov 05 10:49
schestowitznoNov 05 11:34
schestowitzso I can't say much about itNov 05 11:34
schestowitzor oughtn'tNov 05 11:34
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253174Nov 05 11:34
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/us-officials-say-forget-about-clemency-for-snowden/ he aided the people of the US. Serious offence.Nov 05 11:35
schestowitz"He also aided the allies of the US. Unacceptable!"Nov 05 11:35
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3246000Nov 05 11:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK govt. gets it: Proprietary software combined with built-in microphone and camera = #surveillance and #espionage http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423514/iPads-banned-from-Cabinet-meetings-over-surveillance-fears.htmlNov 05 11:35
schestowitz"Finally!"Nov 05 11:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.telegraph.co.uk | iPads banned from Cabinet meetings over surveillance fears - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fzbr5 ]Nov 05 11:35
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220512Nov 05 11:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The latest spy revelations are threatening to derail a multibillion-pound 'trade' deal..." http://news.sky.com/story/1159396/nsa-spying-germany-demands-talks-with-us good for usNov 05 11:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.sky.com | NSA Spying: Germany Demands Talks With US  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlud ]Nov 05 11:36
schestowitz"If Germany wants to talk with the US, they have only to pick up the phone and call... each other."Nov 05 11:36
schestowitzLOL!Nov 05 11:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3246000Nov 05 11:37
schestowitz"What, does the British not trust the NSA?"Nov 05 11:37
schestowitzTrusting a partner like the White House is like trusting a partner like Microsoft. Ask Germany...Nov 05 11:38
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220395Nov 05 11:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/12/dick-cheney-cancels-toronto-trip-says-canada-is-too-dangerous/ #warcrime #cheney #bush #kissingerNov 05 11:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.nationalpost.com | Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous | National Post  [ http://ur1.ca/fy7yl ]Nov 05 11:38
schestowitz":D"Nov 05 11:38
schestowitzdangerous people call a country "dangerous" when that country is against dangersNov 05 11:39
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220395Nov 05 11:39
schestowitz"We don't need to lock our doors, now that we know Cheney isn't coming any more..."Nov 05 11:40
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220569Nov 05 11:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CIA: we don't always support terrorists. When we do, they're 'moderate' http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-02/world/42616148_1_u-s-intelligence-analysts-training-program-rebel  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/03/report-cia-ramping-up-covert-training-program-for-syrian-rebels/Nov 05 11:40
TechrightsBot-tr-> articles.washingtonpost.com | CIA ramping up covert training program for moderate Syrian rebels - Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlv8 ]Nov 05 11:40
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theblaze.com | Report: CIA Ramping Up Covert Training Program for Syrian Rebels | TheBlaze.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlvb ]Nov 05 11:40
schestowitz"They don't support competing terrorists. Important distinction."Nov 05 11:40
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/11/05/steamos-and-steammachines-could-bring-millions-to-gnulinux/Nov 05 11:50
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | SteamOS And SteamMachines Could Bring Millions to GNU/Linux  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlwf ]Nov 05 11:50
Sosumiand the "usual" is happening againNov 05 11:54
SosumiEU warns poortugal that it may not be able to reach the deficit agreement for this yearNov 05 11:54
Sosumimeanwhile in poortugal, privatly run hospitals (but built with taxpayer money) got a bailout just 2 days agoNov 05 11:55
iophkThe bailout is part of the business plan...Nov 05 11:55
Sosumiand nothing is there to prevent them from getting anotherNov 05 11:56
iophkthen the directors can turn around and give themselves more bonuses for 'saving' the business...Nov 05 11:56
iophkand another and another ...Nov 05 11:56
Sosumiand get some bonuses for the big boysNov 05 11:56
iophknormally when one company takes over the debts of another, it owns that companyNov 05 11:56
iophkif the gov bails out a company or branch, it should own that company or branchNov 05 11:57
Sosumiin a perfect world, yesNov 05 11:57
Sosumibut in that perfect world a private entity wouldn't be left to run hospitals paid by taxpayersNov 05 11:58
Sosumiand reap the beneficts like they doNov 05 11:58
Sosumiand now they need more austerity, because the money they had to pay the interest on the debt, lolNov 05 12:00
Sosumiis goneNov 05 12:00
Sosumiand since nothing stops the facistoid gov from imposing more austerityNov 05 12:00
Sosumiyeah, moral hazardNov 05 12:00
Sosumiactually, these hospitals kind of mimic the charter schools in the USNov 05 12:02
Sosumisimply because public run hospitals compared to these privatly runNov 05 12:03
Sosumione looks like a hospital, the other looks like a luxuary hotelNov 05 12:04
Sosumicourtesy of the usually dupe, the consenting taxpayerNov 05 12:05
iophkso the taxpayer foots the bill either way I guessNov 05 12:07
iophkyet one is touted as a commercial successNov 05 12:07
Sosumithe direction should foot the billNov 05 12:08
Sosumiand see their assets liquidated for their "bad management"Nov 05 12:09
SosumiI guess that would put an end to those top of the line carsNov 05 12:10
iophkthat's the secret of management, no matter how badly they mess up, it's not their faultNov 05 12:10
Sosumithose guys usually ownNov 05 12:10
Sosumiit's the picture they paintNov 05 12:11
Sosumiproblem is the ppl for being so dumbNov 05 12:11
Sosumithat they'll believe in the lies and wathever those private entities through their appointees (politicians) sayNov 05 12:12
Sosumiand when it's election timeNov 05 12:12
Sosumithey'll just vote the last bounch outNov 05 12:13
Sosumiand hope things will go well this time aroundNov 05 12:13
Sosumiso they live in hope for their entire liveNov 05 12:13
iophkisn't one definition of insanity doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results?Nov 05 12:14
Sosumithey're into S&MNov 05 12:15
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Sosumiand it seems that I got a new laptopNov 05 13:44
Sosumiwell, almost new, but at least it was freeNov 05 13:44
Sosumicore 2 duo at 2.93 GHz, 4GB of ram and a GT9600m Nov 05 13:46
Sosumia bit of an improvement from my late compaq armadaNov 05 13:46
DaemonFCnot bad for freeNov 05 13:52
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Sosumiit just needs two 2 new fansNov 05 14:04
Sosumione of them has the bearings wasted, making the fan vibrate a lotNov 05 14:04
Sosumiand also make a lot of noiseNov 05 14:05
Sosumihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvzsBCyp3e0Nov 05 14:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Sunon Fan Failure - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzmg7 ]Nov 05 14:07
Sosumilike that oneNov 05 14:07
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220187Nov 05 14:17
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Defense One" (pro-war) is trying to say that #drones that lack human intervention/judgment are more 'secure' http://qz.com/133321/the-most-secure-drones-will-be-able-to-kill-without-human-controllers/Nov 05 14:17
TechrightsBot-tr-> qz.com | The most secure drones will be able to kill without human controllers  –  Quartz  [ http://ur1.ca/fy8e6 ]Nov 05 14:17
schestowitz"The biggest block to full military tyranny has always been that soldiers are human beings who, despite attempts to train it out of them, are capable of independent thought, and thus judging the morality and legality of their orders and disobeying them. The push for drones and automated mobile weaponry is an attempt to destroy that block. When you have a military that is 100% unquestioning and trusted by it's masters, all kinds of Nov 05 14:17
schestowitzabominations become available that aren't if you need to convince the average GI that you're doing the right thing."Nov 05 14:17
schestowitz"Drones also don't have parents who can lead campaigns against your government, and video of drones coming back damaged from war are unlikely to have the same impact on the public that television footage of dead Americans coming back from Vietnam did in the Vietnam war."Nov 05 14:17
schestowitz"All of this is little reassurance for people being blown to bits in front of loved ones, right now, by drones, or for the American people when their weapons start being unleashed at protests in the US."Nov 05 14:18
schestowitzThat's already happening. The FBI confirmed using drones (mostly to spy) and Dorner was almost targetted with a drone strike in the US. At least 5 USians were killed abroad with drone strikes, most of them by accident.Nov 05 14:19
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Sosumiyes, autonomous dronesNov 05 14:23
Sosumifinally the "people" will be able to crash one in some politician's faceNov 05 14:24
Sosuminot that hyjacking the controls wasn't feasable or exploiting it's onboard sensorsNov 05 14:25
Sosumikind of like iran didNov 05 14:25
Sosumiwill the drones also hate us for our freedoms and liberties when one crashes against an airliner?Nov 05 14:27
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iophk"Dorner was almost targetted with a drone strike in the US"Nov 05 14:57
iophkso that may have been one of the reasons the cops ordered all the media out of the area?Nov 05 14:57
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schestowitzthyey set him on fireNov 05 15:17
schestowitznobody knows how exactlyNov 05 15:17
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schestowitzvould be rpg evenNov 05 15:17
schestowitzwooden homeNov 05 15:18
schestowitznot napalm/mortarNov 05 15:18
schestowitz!google waco bombingNov 05 15:18
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siegeNov 05 15:18
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - WACO BOMBING COVERUP! CNN FOOTAGE CROPPED 4/18/13 ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMoHuR-1Tk5kNov 05 15:18
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Meet the Man Who Witnessed Both the Boston Bombing and the ... | http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/meet-man-who-witnessed-both-boston-bombing-and-waco-explosion/64377/Nov 05 15:18
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Boston Marathon Explosion, Waco Raid, Oklahoma City Bombing All ... | http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/boston-marathon-explosion-waco-raid-oklahoma-city-bombing-all-happened-in-april/Nov 05 15:18
schestowitzus population as enemyNov 05 15:19
schestowitz:The Branch Davidians, a Christian[5] sect led by David Koresh, lived at Mount Carmel Center ranch in the community of Elk, Texas,[6][7] nine miles (14 kilometers) east-northeast of Waco. The group was suspected of weapons violations and a search and arrest warrant was obtained."Nov 05 15:19
schestowitz"During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center and 76 men, women, and children,[8][9] including David Koresh, died."Nov 05 15:20
schestowitz"Controversy ensued over the origin of the fire; a government investigation concluded in 2000 that sect members themselves had started the fire at the time of the attack."Nov 05 15:20
schestowitzsounds like BSNov 05 15:20
schestowitz"women, and children,"Nov 05 15:21
schestowitz"David Koresh is interviewed by CNN. The FBI instructs CNN not to conduct further interviews."Nov 05 15:22
schestowitzdorner parallelsNov 05 15:22
schestowitzhe diedNov 05 15:22
schestowitz"Law enforcement source says David Koresh is dead."Nov 05 15:23
schestowitz"Cyrus Koresh, 8, American"Nov 05 15:23
schestowitz"Nicole Gent Little, 24, Australian, pregnant"Nov 05 15:24
schestowitz"Dayland Lord Gent, 3, Australian[72]"Nov 05 15:24
Sosumidavid koresh? wasn't that the waco guy?Nov 05 15:35
schestowitzscroll up for contextNov 05 15:36
Sosumi*facepalm*Nov 05 15:36
Sosumishould have maximized the windowNov 05 15:36
schestowitzwe came to this through discussion of US/CIA drone strikes and Michael DornerNov 05 15:36
schestowitzhttp://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50140955nNov 05 15:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.cbsnews.com | Dorner standoff ends in shootout, fire - CBS News Video  [ http://ur1.ca/fzmwq ]Nov 05 15:37
schestowitz!google dorner standoffNov 05 15:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Police in Christopher Dorner standoff launched incendiary tear gas ... | http://nypost.com/2013/02/14/police-in-christopher-dorner-standoff-launched-incendiary-tear-gas-into-cabin/Nov 05 15:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Dorner standoff ends in shootout, fire - CBS News Video | http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/%3Fid%3D50140955nNov 05 15:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - San Bernardino County Sheriff On Chris Dorner Standoff: 'This Is A ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/san-bernardino-county-sheriff-chris-dorner_n_2916069.htmlNov 05 15:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Christopher Dorner: stand-off ends with cabin in flames - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9866716/Christopher-Dorner-stand-off-ends-with-cabin-in-flames.htmlNov 05 15:37
schestowitzUS makes even Russia look civilNov 05 15:37
schestowitz(today's US)Nov 05 15:37
Sosumiindeed :(Nov 05 15:39
Sosumiand what about that 20 years guy from the latest shooting?Nov 05 15:39
Sosumiít's like there's one every weekNov 05 15:39
Sosumiand usually the guy goes gun ho, shoots a couple of ppl and then he's killed or kills himselfNov 05 15:40
schestowitzlike the nacy incidents?Nov 05 15:41
Sosuminacy?Nov 05 15:41
schestowitzor yard shootings?Nov 05 15:41
schestowitzso many guns around, even automaticNov 05 15:41
SosumiI was alluring to the LAX shooter and mall shooters recentlyNov 05 15:42
Sosumi*which happened recentlyNov 05 15:43
Sosumito the gerard laughner and the boston bombingsNov 05 15:43
Sosumiwhen the guys aren't killed, they usually show up like they're not even the same guyNov 05 15:44
Sosumisome well, the tsarnaev guy, aside all the smelly stories put around by the establishment media,Nov 05 15:45
Sosumithe guy got one of those air tubes on the neck just to prevent him from talkingNov 05 15:46
Sosumiand what actually protected him was from the deranged shooting by the cops was the engine block of the boad he was hidding inNov 05 15:46
Sosumitsarnaev kind of sounds like framingNov 05 15:47
Sosumibut the others and random shootings smells to mk-ultraNov 05 15:48
Sosumiand folks with mental issues, which in turn makes them highly suggestableNov 05 15:48
Sosumiand we all know, or should consider as true, that some psychologist work with the intelligence services in order to recruit, by the power of suggestion, those dudesNov 05 15:50
Sosumikind of like the UFO fenomenaNov 05 15:50
Sosumiwhen shows like coast to coast and others talk about UFO and alien abductions, etcNov 05 15:51
Sosumiwell, it's a suggestion that is being placed in your mindNov 05 15:51
Sosumiso it's only natural, that you might end up dreaming about itNov 05 15:52
Sosumilil green man or reptilian, lawl, doing zee experiments that only herr doktor mendelle would be proud ofNov 05 15:52
Sosumiand then, those thinking they have been "abducted" go and seek a psychologistNov 05 15:53
Sosumiusually out of a list of "recomended" psychologistsNov 05 15:53
Sosumiand that means CIA approved psychologistsNov 05 15:54
Sosumiso what's stipping them from planting more suggestions on them and/or leaving them more psychology brokenNov 05 15:55
Sosumi*stoppingNov 05 15:55
Sosumiactually, nothingNov 05 15:55
Sosumiand so, when someone sees an experimental aircraft or something on those linesNov 05 15:55
Sosumiand calls it an UFO (unidentified flying object), he's ridiculized and the pre-programmed idea of ETs jumps in and the message that was first trying to be transmited is dismissed into laugherNov 05 15:57
Sosumiedd bernays should be proud :)Nov 05 15:58
Sosumiand I was just not referring to coast to coast am and those "truther" talk radioNov 05 16:01
Sosumibut also to mudstream preachers like david ikeNov 05 16:01
Sosumiwhich just regurgitate Helena Blavatski crapNov 05 16:02
Sosumi*regurgitatesNov 05 16:02
Sosumiactually, btw Blavatski's Lucis (from Lucifer aka intellect) Trust is an UN adviserNov 05 16:04
Sosumihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucis_TrustNov 05 16:04
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Lucis Trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 05 16:04
Sosumi"The Lucis Trust has consultative status (roster level) with the United Nations Economic and Social Council."Nov 05 16:05
Sosumibut it's all conspiracy, everything is OK, there's no secret CABALNov 05 16:06
Sosuminor a Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented LifeformNov 05 16:07
Sosumi:)Nov 05 16:08
SosumiJap gov giving free new houses away for folks who wish to go backNov 05 16:13
Sosumiapocalyptic tourism in Ukraine gives place to apocalyptic living in japanNov 05 16:14
Sosumiand I mean, back to fukushima prefectureNov 05 16:15
schestowitzhttp://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/showallphotos.aspx?imo=9321160#top_photoNov 05 16:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.marinetraffic.com | Error in MarineTraffic application  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn5i ]Nov 05 16:23
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_oil_spillNov 05 16:25
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Gulf War oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/zyld ]Nov 05 16:25
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IXTOC_I_oil_well_blowout.jpgNov 05 16:26
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | File:IXTOC I oil well blowout.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn5v ]Nov 05 16:26
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spillsNov 05 16:27
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of oil spills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/zyla ]Nov 05 16:27
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_testsNov 05 16:28
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of nuclear weapons tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn68 ]Nov 05 16:28
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weaponsNov 05 16:30
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of nuclear weapons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn6k ]Nov 05 16:30
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_explosionsNov 05 16:31
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of nuclear weapons tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn6t ]Nov 05 16:31
MinceRgnNov 05 17:08
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Sosumihttp://rt.com/usa/washington-no-gmo-labeling-282/Nov 06 00:42
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fzoyy ]Nov 06 00:42
SosumiGMO labelingNov 06 00:42
Sosumiyeah, eat poison without even knowing itNov 06 00:42
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/11/06/not-again-ms-os-executes-data-in-images/Nov 06 01:26
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Not Again! M$’s OS Executes Data In Images…  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fzp5p ]Nov 06 01:26
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iophkhttp://www.networkcomputing.com/data-networking-management/linux-desktop-in-the-enterprise-ubuntu-v/240163564Nov 06 03:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.networkcomputing.com | Linux Desktop In The Enterprise: Ubuntu Vs. Windows - Network  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpnr ]Nov 06 03:51
iophkhttp://www.techrepublic.com/blog/apple-in-the-enterprise/three-signs-youre-drinking-the-microsoft-kool-aid/Nov 06 03:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.techrepublic.com | Three signs you’re drinking the Microsoft Kool-Aid - TechRepublic  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpob ]Nov 06 03:54
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED7_y4jETo0Nov 06 03:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | American Beauty - Dinner Scene - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpod ]Nov 06 03:55
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJh5wdvdfVENov 06 04:00
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd4fj9Efl4sNov 06 04:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Office Space Milton stapler original - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzps7 ]Nov 06 04:11
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/european-examples-make-case-open-source-vietnamNov 06 04:18
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | European examples make case for open source in Vietnam | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/fzptb ]Nov 06 04:18
schestowitzhttp://www.walkingbutterfly.com/2010/12/22/when-you-kill-ten-million-africans-you-arent-called-hitler/Nov 06 04:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.walkingbutterfly.com | When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’ : Diary of a Walking Butterfly  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpvv ]Nov 06 04:34
MinceRgeekingsNov 06 04:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398021561644752896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398021820483252226  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398022590905978880Nov 06 04:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency http://t.co/6bnQ9PsVgR #nz broke the law, not legalises itNov 06 04:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> thinkprogress.org | New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency | ThinkProgressNov 06 04:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Washington votes against GMO labeling – preliminary results http://t.co/0pxIAA5QnK corporations always get their way. #us #gmoNov 06 04:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Chomsky Attacks Rush to "Destroy the Environment as Fast as Possible" with Fracking and Tar Sands  http://t.co/tztkh4cxC0 #energyNov 06 04:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.alternet.org | Chomsky Attacks Rush to "Destroy the Environment as Fast as Possible" with Fracking and Tar Sands | AlternetNov 06 04:45
DaemonFChttp://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/247081/slide_247081_1434657_free.jpg?1346096194000Nov 06 04:55
DaemonFCuhhhmNov 06 04:55
iophkschestowitz: don't forget there's also "mountain topping"Nov 06 04:55
iophkthat's destroying the face of the planet thoroughly where it happens and often poisons the surface water as part of the dealNov 06 04:56
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/04/deadly-spiders-supermarket-bananas-_n_4214464.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopularNov 06 04:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Deadly Spiders Found On Supermarket Bananas Force British Family To Flee Home  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq05 ]Nov 06 04:59
DaemonFCI don't remember asking for these on my corn flakes.Nov 06 04:59
iophkhttp://www.mountainjusticesummer.org/facts/steps.phpNov 06 05:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.mountainjusticesummer.org | Mountain Justice - What is Mountain Top Removal Mining?  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq0c ]Nov 06 05:01
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QmQ0OaIVCUNov 06 05:03
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398025710369267712  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398026048191086592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398026335836454912  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398026653278171136Nov 06 05:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Before monotheism with an anonymous nameless, authority took power http://t.co/b62jKcLsm4 https://t.co/19HucqthpyNov 06 05:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> thepsychoemoreport.tumblr.com | lunar-rayne:  ”..The God Graveyard, old gods that... | Psycho Emo ReportNov 06 05:05
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: European examples make case for open source in Vietnam  https://t.co/D1zcRwCPHw #microsoft can easily bribe themNov 06 05:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Any news yet about US investigation (preferably outcome) into #Microsoft #bribery in several nations (for gov. contracts)?Nov 06 05:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Three signs you’re drinking the #Microsoft Kool-Aid http://t.co/7MngJM7mGi for some, it's about taking bribes, including #nokiaNov 06 05:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398027086293921792 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398027282306306048Nov 06 05:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ballmer left Microsoft, which makes it unlikely he will ever go to prison for bribery and racketeering. Gates afraid to return full-time.Nov 06 05:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Linux Desktop In The Enterprise: Ubuntu Vs. Windows http://t.co/F64t12JqPv why just Ubuntu? #gnu #linux has many good distrosNov 06 05:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398028776455827456Nov 06 05:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The technical argument over Free software (versus proprietary) was won decade ago.With cash cows down, #Microsoft struggles to #bribe now.Nov 06 05:08
schestowitziophk: good linksNov 06 05:08
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/op-ed-a-critique-of-lavabit/Nov 06 05:16
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253492Nov 06 05:32
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/79330.htmlNov 06 05:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxinsider.com | Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo | Smartphones | LinuxInsider  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq6n ]Nov 06 05:32
schestowitz"I wonder how it would run with #replicant?"Nov 06 05:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398035287169056768Nov 06 05:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Ladar Levison stood up for users' privacy—but perhaps a little too late." http://t.co/pCRQPUz30UNov 06 05:35
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253174Nov 06 05:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/us-officials-say-forget-about-clemency-for-snowden/ he aided the people of the US. Serious offence.Nov 06 05:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfhr ]Nov 06 05:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253361Nov 06 05:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tuxmachines Tentatively Sold to Techrights http://fossforce.com/2013/11/tuxmachines-tentatively-sold/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tuxmachines-tentatively-sold will finalise the transfer soon, will make the site activeNov 06 05:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> fossforce.com | Tuxmachines Tentatively Sold to Techrights - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlpr ]Nov 06 05:43
schestowitz"Congratulations."Nov 06 05:43
schestowitz"I doubt Snowden even expected a favorable response. Which implies he made the request for some other reason. I would like to learn more about what that reason is."Nov 06 05:44
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253099Nov 06 05:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Embrace, destroy, spy: Microsoft "shutting down all third-party access to its desktop API at the end of the year" http://www.infoworld.com/t/application-development/microsoft-kills-skype-third-party-tools-the-desktop-230101Nov 06 05:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.infoworld.com | Microsoft kills Skype third-party tools for the desktop | Application development - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzko7 ]Nov 06 05:45
schestowitz"I use Jitsi now, but it only seems to record audio, not video. So true regarding recording. Currently I only use Skype for business things that get posted publicly on YouTube anyway, so they're not getting anything they couldn't just by visiting YouTube anyway. Still, I'd really prefer not to give $k¥p€ any of my money though. The day Jitsi can record the video to a high quality file without having to have the window on top of Nov 06 05:45
schestowitzevery other window, I'll gladly be uninstalling that invasive little piece of... software."Nov 06 05:45
schestowitzjitsi with gtkrecordmydesktop is still an option, though the quality would be low.Nov 06 05:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253290Nov 06 05:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Every Apple-related product I use has been crippled in important ways."    http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/65697513808/on-the-pathological-way-apple-deals-with-its-customers simple solution: stop buying #appleNov 06 05:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> lessig.tumblr.com | Lessig Blog, v2  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq9e ]Nov 06 05:47
schestowitz"He asks for decency from the indecent. Non free software has always been an injustice."Nov 06 05:47
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/Moh_sophy/status/359449899475021824/photo/1Nov 06 05:56
TechrightsBot-tr@Moh_sophy: مؤتمر حول "حقوق المرأة" في المملكة العربية السعودية http://t.co/cY6HYFymhvNov 06 05:56
TechrightsBot-tr@Moh_sophy: مؤتمر حول "حقوق المرأة" في المملكة العربية السعودية http://t.co/cY6HYFymhvNov 06 05:56
Sosumisaudi conference about the rights of womenNov 06 05:56
Sosumibut only attended by man in dragNov 06 05:56
iophkoxymoron?Nov 06 05:56
SosumiI don't know, I just laught when in the KSA man dance like women because there are no women in their partiesNov 06 05:58
Sosumiactually, they're in a separate room...Nov 06 05:59
Sosumihttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9d3_1314743779Nov 06 06:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.liveleak.com | LiveLeak.com - Exclusive Saudi Arabia Gay Party  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqb5 ]Nov 06 06:00
SosumilawlNov 06 06:00
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Sosumiand news from poortugal, portuguese gov is going to create an entity to regulate the entity that regulates the prices of gasNov 06 06:04
Sosumilike if we didn't know that refineries fix prices and pass some nice paychecks to the regulators of those competition agenciesNov 06 06:06
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/amd-stomps-nvidia-with-r9-290-at-least-in-reviews/Nov 06 06:13
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | AMD stomps Nvidia with R9 290… at least in reviews | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqdc ]Nov 06 06:13
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Sosumigpu reaching 94º CNov 06 06:13
Sosumiand fan barelly managing to copeNov 06 06:14
Sosuminow imagine the cooling system of the buttplug pro (new mac pro)Nov 06 06:14
iophkThey can be rack mounted : http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/70032451/Nov 06 06:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.ikea.com | HUTTEN 9-bottle wine rack - IKEA  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqeh ]Nov 06 06:17
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sebsebsebhiNov 06 07:39
iophkhiNov 06 07:39
sebsebsebiophk: hiNov 06 07:40
oiaohmzentyal is upto something interesting.Nov 06 07:47
oiaohmIntergrated exchange replacement by the end of 2014Nov 06 07:47
oiaohmYes one that accepts outlook clientsNov 06 07:48
iophkinteresting.  will it be able to lose mail as effectively? :>Nov 06 07:48
iophkIs there a link to the announcement?  I'm not seeing anything in the news.Nov 06 07:49
oiaohmiophk: unlikely to lose mail thinking it will be still using lots of the traditional tried and tested Unix storage methods.Nov 06 07:49
iophkOk.  Maybe the lost mail will be some add-on module where you can set the percentage yourself.  Nov 06 07:50
oiaohmiophk: there are two youtube videos.Nov 06 07:50
oiaohmiophk: one showing the tech preview.Nov 06 07:50
iophkAny written descriptions of it?Nov 06 07:53
oiaohmhttp://www.zentyal.org/2013/10/zentyal-launches-the-only-native-microsoft-exchange-replacement/Nov 06 07:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.zentyal.org | News - Zentyal launches the only native Microsoft Exchange replacement | Linux Small Business Server  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqtk ]Nov 06 07:54
iophkThxNov 06 07:54
oiaohmiophk: its a combination of openchange samba4 and sogo and a few other techs.Nov 06 07:54
oiaohmiophk: Outlook 2003 will be supported fully in the decmeber 3.3 release target is there goal.Nov 06 07:55
oiaohmie dec this year.Nov 06 07:55
iophkThere have been Citadel and Kolab but I don't know if they work with those awful Outlook clientsNov 06 07:55
oiaohmthen threw 2014 working up into 2007....Nov 06 07:55
oiaohmCitadel and kolab you have to put plugins into outlook.Nov 06 07:56
oiaohmthat break very often due to MS updates.Nov 06 07:56
iophkI've seen Outlook.  It's not a good mail client at all.Nov 06 07:56
iophkA lot of 90's clients have it beat.Nov 06 07:57
oiaohmThis plan is also evily transparent.Nov 06 07:57
iophkIt will still be a hard sell.  Nov 06 07:58
oiaohmSince zentyal can pretend to be exchange with ADS and all.Nov 06 07:58
oiaohmYou can migrate 1 mail box at a time off a windows server to it.Nov 06 07:58
iophkSamba4 is apparently good at that.Nov 06 07:58
oiaohmWithout clients noticing.Nov 06 07:58
iophkThat is a useful capabilityNov 06 07:58
oiaohmRemeber windows 2003 is going end of life in 2014Nov 06 07:59
iophkdoesn't Exchange charge per-seat with CALs or something?Nov 06 07:59
oiaohmExactly.Nov 06 07:59
oiaohmAnd zentyal does not.Nov 06 07:59
iophkHow will Zentyal get the word out?  The press won't cover non-M$ productsNov 06 07:59
oiaohmiophk: that is why I mentioned it here.Nov 06 08:00
iophkNice.Nov 06 08:00
oiaohmMore people aware more it will spreed.Nov 06 08:00
oiaohmOne of the developers at zentyal is one of the founding developers of openchange.Nov 06 08:00
iophkThat's a lot of relevant experienceNov 06 08:01
iophkto have in the new project.Nov 06 08:01
oiaohmiophk: its not exactly new.Nov 06 08:01
oiaohmThey started in 2002-2003 attempting to clone exhange without documentation.Nov 06 08:02
oiaohmBasically after all this time they are in the final stage of taking it commerial.Nov 06 08:02
iophkIt takes a long time.  Even if M$ has documentation, it tends to be incomplete or wrong.Nov 06 08:03
iophkJust ask the Samba team or anyone trying OOXMLNov 06 08:03
oiaohmiophk: openchange two other core members come from Samba.Nov 06 08:04
iophkWith Exchange 2003 going EOL, they probably won't have time to release a "patch" to break ZentyalNov 06 08:04
iophkMakes sense, the reverse engineering backgrounds would be of use.Nov 06 08:04
oiaohmreally MS cannot.Nov 06 08:04
oiaohmEU forces micorosft to release all protocal information include exchanges.Nov 06 08:04
oiaohmThey are in the test casing stage.Nov 06 08:05
iophkM$ hasn't cared about compliance  in the past though.Nov 06 08:05
oiaohmAny alteration with be a EU foul costing Microsoft many more billions in fines.Nov 06 08:05
oiaohmiophk: they have with the EU.Nov 06 08:05
iophkThe fines would be delayed and might be deemed worth it if M$ can keep or extend marketshare in the servers.Nov 06 08:05
oiaohmiophk: EU has the right due to pior anti-trust cases in the USA to cease USA assets for force complance.Nov 06 08:06
iophkThat would be good if it happened.Nov 06 08:06
oiaohmiophk: that is the big problem.Nov 06 08:06
oiaohmiophk: EU can choose to take the billions in direct core assets.Nov 06 08:06
iophkI think anything short of a full ban on sales for 2 years would be ineffective.Nov 06 08:07
iophkRight now M$ has money or the illusion of money but needs the monopoly moreNov 06 08:07
oiaohmiophk: you are aware Microsoft runs compadiblely workshops with samba even paying for the samba personal to attend.Nov 06 08:07
iophka ban would go to the heart of the monopolyNov 06 08:07
oiaohmsince the EU cases.Nov 06 08:07
iophkworse it would force alternatives to get usedNov 06 08:08
iophkand then word would get out.Nov 06 08:08
oiaohmWhat the EU has done is kinda worse.Nov 06 08:08
oiaohmExactly EU goal.Nov 06 08:08
oiaohmCompadibliy makes migration simple.Nov 06 08:08
oiaohmiophk: remember Microsoft also no longer makers SBS server.Nov 06 08:09
oiaohmThat people using 2003 had.Nov 06 08:09
iophkI haven't followed the versions.  I've seen some in attempted use but they have all been fail when push comes to shove.Nov 06 08:13
iophkThey work well enough for a demo but fail in real life situations.Nov 06 08:14
iophkBut then that's all that counts: the sales demoNov 06 08:14
oiaohmiophk: zentyal is not new either.  It started life as ebox platform.Nov 06 08:26
oiaohmIts basically been slowly growing it market share over the years.Nov 06 08:26
iophkThis may give it a big boost.Nov 06 08:29
oiaohmTiming is critical.Nov 06 08:42
oiaohmYou also have to remember the NSA mess is also playing on companies minds as well.Nov 06 08:42
iophkYes, there is a window of opportunity.  NSA and M$ will try to drag things out though.Nov 06 08:43
iophkWhat has Pogson said about it so far?Nov 06 08:43
iophkHe might be eager, especially if there is a Debian port.  ;)Nov 06 08:43
oiaohmsharepoint is not a major barrior due to alfresco.Nov 06 08:46
iophkI don't understand the purpose of Painpoint.Nov 06 08:46
oiaohmThis is the problem most of the common services business use will be provided.Nov 06 08:46
iophkAside from the purpose of soaking up incredible amounts of staff time both users and support staff.Nov 06 08:47
oiaohmsharepoint gain is its intergration.Nov 06 08:47
oiaohmalfresco stablity kinda kicks it ass.Nov 06 08:47
iophkYeah it's tied to just about every M$ product under the sun but what does it do beside burn time?Nov 06 08:47
iophkIt's not really a CMS.  It's not really document management.  It's not really storage.Nov 06 08:49
oiaohmiophk: to be correct sharepoint is ment todo documentation management and cms.Nov 06 08:55
oiaohmiophk: but due to defects is kinda bad.Nov 06 08:55
oiaohmiophk: the ideal good but as with all Microsoft stuff the implemetnation is bad.Nov 06 08:56
oiaohmiophk: http://www.zentyal.org/2013/10/zentyal-seeking-to-hire-cc-developers/  yes zentyal is more than serous about pulling of the features.Nov 06 08:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.zentyal.org | News - Zentyal seeking to hire C/C++ Developers | Linux Small Business Server  [ http://ur1.ca/fzr0j ]Nov 06 08:59
MinceRthat arse technica article on lavabit misses the pointNov 06 09:04
MinceRalso, it doesn't state anything new about the way it workedNov 06 09:04
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iophkhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-05/google-s-8th-ranked-lobbying-machine-takes-on-spy-debate.htmlNov 06 09:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.bloomberg.com | Google’s 8th Ranked Lobbying Machine Takes on Spy Debate - Bloomberg  [ http://ur1.ca/fzr7d ]Nov 06 09:40
iophkhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2013/11/05/googles-schmidt-dismisses-the-threat-of-social-mocks-microsoft-speaks-of-the-nsa-leaks/Nov 06 09:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Google's Schmidt Dismisses The Threat Of Social, Mocks Microsoft, Speaks Of The NSA Leaks - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fzr8z ]Nov 06 09:50
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iophkhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2426807,00.aspNov 06 10:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcmag.com | Infographic: A Snapshot of Internet Use in Africa | News & Opinion  | PCMag.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzrgx ]Nov 06 10:35
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iophkoldish - http://bsdly.blogspot.fi/2011/02/problem-isnt-email-its-microsoft.htmlNov 06 13:36
TechrightsBot-trbsdly.blogspot.fi | That grumpy BSD guy: The Problem Isn't Email, It's Microsoft Exchange  [ http://ur1.ca/fzsbg ]Nov 06 13:36
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sebsebsebhi again iophkNov 06 14:09
sebsebsebjono:  no show?Nov 06 14:09
sebsebsebhi MinceRNov 06 14:09
MinceRhayNov 06 14:10
sebsebsebMinceR: hmm I have put Open Suse in my suggested idea for the event, when it comes to distro's and interfacesNov 06 14:10
sebsebsebfor Mageia and Open Suse to both show  KDE and GNOME that isNov 06 14:10
MinceR193701 <@iophk> oldish - http://bsdly.blogspot.fi/2011/02/problem-isnt-email-its-microsoft.htmlNov 06 14:11
MinceRso trueNov 06 14:11
MinceRoutlock still fails at quotingNov 06 14:11
iophkYep and AFAIK at threadingNov 06 14:11
MinceR(and search, and standards compliance, and everything there is)Nov 06 14:11
MinceRi didn't even try to get it to threadNov 06 14:11
iophkthere are so many features it was lacking, might still be lacking, that were available in real mail clients back at the end of the 1990'sNov 06 14:12
iophkThen Windows itself (botnets) causes spam.Nov 06 14:12
MinceRhell, that piece of shit delivered my mail to Deleted Items for a week and when i tried to move it to Inbox it just deleted them allNov 06 14:12
iophkYes even basic functions fail.Nov 06 14:13
iophkThink of all the intra-office fights that have started over missing mail.Nov 06 14:13
MinceRand the fact that this piece of shit uses two different formats to store your mail depending on whether you want it to delete mail from the "server" on download or notNov 06 14:14
MinceRboth of them nonstandard, of courseNov 06 14:14
MinceRand multipart messages are torn apart and stored that wayNov 06 14:14
MinceRwithout any way to restore the original formNov 06 14:14
iophksebsebseb: hi againNov 06 14:14
MinceRthen there's AD, which forgets passwordsNov 06 14:15
iophkAD is slooowNov 06 14:15
iophkIt has also broken Kerberos apparentlyNov 06 14:15
MinceRit has broken everythingNov 06 14:16
iophkThunderbird needs work tooNov 06 14:18
MinceRyes, backing out the recent fuckups, especially in the uiNov 06 14:19
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iophkAnd something in the profile keeps getting corrupted.Nov 06 14:20
iophkI can't search message bodies now.  Could a few minutes ago.Nov 06 14:20
MinceRat least they already fixed the search UINov 06 14:20
MinceRit was utterly horrid when it could only generate an html-like result pageNov 06 14:21
MinceRinstead of properly filtering the listNov 06 14:21
iophkWhen it works, it works ok.Nov 06 14:22
MinceR"It all comes down to the shortsightedness or intellectual shallowness of Microsoft Exchange's designers, way back then."Nov 06 14:22
MinceRi think it comes down to the people forcing this crap on usNov 06 14:23
MinceRthe m$ people bribing and forcing people to buy and use this crap and the efforts of the m$ cultNov 06 14:23
iophkthose that do it for free against the interests of their employers are a puzzleNov 06 14:25
iophkthere is no gain for themNov 06 14:25
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iophkThunderbird defaults to top-quoting messages now.  That sucks.Nov 06 14:27
MinceRi just tend to type a greeting on the top and answers below the appropriate quoted lineNov 06 14:28
MinceRwhen i have the option of using a mail client that works, that isNov 06 14:28
MinceRin outlock, if you add a newline in the quoted part, it just puts the quote bar in front of the new lineNov 06 14:28
iophkThat's common from Usenet and some mailing lists.Nov 06 14:29
iophkIt's also important to trim the quoted text to just the relevant bits.Nov 06 14:29
MinceRindeedNov 06 14:29
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iophkold - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/02/icloud_runs_on_microsoft_azure_and_amazon/Nov 06 14:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Apple's iCloud runs on Microsoft and Amazon services • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/50gl0 ]Nov 06 14:52
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/06/yasser-arafat-poisoned-polonium-tests-scientistsNov 06 15:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Yasser Arafat may have been poisoned with polonium, tests show | World news | The Guardian  [ http://ur1.ca/fzsob ]Nov 06 15:10
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sebsebsebiophk: hmm maybe a Mint only event woudn't be so bad?Nov 06 15:18
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sebsebsebiophk: I did a suggesiton trying to include everything, MInt guy didn't seem to agree or understand properlyNov 06 15:18
sebsebsebI am just thinking maybe a Mint event is the way to go if can't have Mageia since hwateverNov 06 15:18
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/got-38000-burning-a-hole-in-your-pocket-why-not-buy-a-dota-2-courier-with-it/Nov 06 16:13
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Got $38,000 burning a hole in your pocket? Why not buy a Dota 2 courier with it? | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzswr ]Nov 06 16:13
Sosumiprobably paid with a stollen credit cardNov 06 16:13
Sosumibut stuff like this, vanity items, alongside dlc are what made me stay way from gaming after "gaming" went mainstream this genNov 06 16:15
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Nov 06 17:01
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 06 17:01
DaemonFChttp://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/13/11/06/206228/blockbuster-to-close-remaining-us-locationsNov 06 17:01
TechrightsBot-trentertainment.slashdot.org | Blockbuster To Close Remaining US Locations - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fzt48 ]Nov 06 17:01
DaemonFCI feel sorry for the people who will lose their jobs because there are no longer physical rental locations.Nov 06 17:01
DaemonFCThe widespread and unethical practice of licensing movies with Digital Restrictions Malware and patent-encumbered multimedia codecs will continue, and the MAFIAA gangsters will not lower prices, so on the whole, this is a bad thing.Nov 06 17:01
DaemonFCA job as a video store clerk is not a good job, but it is a job. The money these corporations save will go into the pockets of the rich instead.Nov 06 17:01
DaemonFCThat's why, when I shop at a store with self-checkouts, I walk past them and loudly say "When you use these machines, you are putting Americans out of work.".Nov 06 17:01
DaemonFCThe fact that so few workers are needed in the modern economy is enough justification for a Basic Income program that all citizens are eligible to receive, which would guarantee a modest standard of living, and a population control initiative to correct for the current unnecessary population growth.Nov 06 17:01
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/CHT6nvG.jpgNov 06 17:09
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Sosumihttp://motherboard.vice.com/blog/what-apple-does-and-doesnt-know-about-youNov 07 00:56
TechrightsBot-trmotherboard.vice.com | Apple Says It Isn't Interested in Your Data: Here's What Apple Does and Doesn't Know About You | Motherboard  [ http://ur1.ca/fzuzh ]Nov 07 00:56
Sosumigoogle and facebook are because the user is the productNov 07 00:57
Sosumibut to avoid all that, that's for what android open source is forNov 07 00:58
Sosumihttp://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2013/11/06/microsoft-starts-donating-windows-8-1-nonprofit-organizations-public-libraries/Nov 07 00:58
TechrightsBot-trthenextweb.com | Microsoft Gives Windows 8.1 to Nonprofit Organizations  [ http://ur1.ca/fzuzl ]Nov 07 00:58
SosumiI can attest that the Brotherhood of Nod is yet to receive its copyNov 07 00:59
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DaemonFChttp://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-our-country/63799/Nov 07 02:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.theatlanticwire.com | 12 Million Americans Believe Lizard People Run Our Country - Philip Bump - The Atlantic Wire  [ http://ur1.ca/fzver ]Nov 07 02:30
DaemonFC5% of Obama voters believe he's the antichrist and voted for him anyway?Nov 07 02:32
DaemonFC:)Nov 07 02:32
MinceR:)Nov 07 02:36
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10431337/Edward-Snowden-leaks-could-help-paedophiles-escape-police-says-government.htmlNov 07 03:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Edward Snowden leaks could help paedophiles escape police, says government - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fzv4i ]Nov 07 03:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253492Nov 07 04:11
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/79330.htmlNov 07 04:11
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxinsider.com | Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo | Smartphones | LinuxInsider  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq6n ]Nov 07 04:11
schestowitz"i wonder how it would run with #SailfishOS!"Nov 07 04:11
schestowitzMinceR: http://img8.joyreactor.com/pics/post/gif-pope-boy-chair-940988.gifNov 07 04:12
schestowitzhe wants to do in on the chairNov 07 04:12
schestowitziophk: cheers, good morningNov 07 04:12
iophkMorningNov 07 04:12
iophkFreeBSD was released 1 Nov, 20 years ago.Nov 07 04:21
iophkif Wikipedia is accurate.Nov 07 04:22
schestowitziophk: cheers, good morning https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398380159247851521Nov 07 04:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: War http://t.co/VCgANsFdNmNov 07 04:24
schestowitz oops, pressed up :/Nov 07 04:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398379785812197376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398379315622346752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398378060485251072  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398377289052082176  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398376594697637888Nov 07 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Talking while driving http://t.co/ED7cpY5ZX4Nov 07 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "The media coverage of the war in Syria examines only military, diplomatic and humanitarian action." http://t.co/JNsvJAJDfONov 07 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.voltairenet.org | Syria has Changed | " Before our eyes "Nov 07 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Latest #techbytes episode: Richard Stallman on Free Labour in Prisons http://t.co/4pMc0DAsus more to come this month, about 7 parts...Nov 07 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Richard Stallman on Free Labour in PrisonsNov 07 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Think about the children! Hate Snowden http://t.co/T2njpWDnUh our government is getting patheticNov 07 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Today is the official launch of Trends Right, dozens of products to be added later today http://t.co/MZeoixYEZnNov 07 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | Trends Right » Fashion for AllNov 07 04:25
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iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/2013/11/fedora-10-years-leading-linux-development/15594Nov 07 04:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Fedora - 10 years of leading Linux development | Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/fzvyb ]Nov 07 04:30
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MinceRschestowitz: poor kid doesn't realize what danger he's inNov 07 04:44
MinceRgeekingsNov 07 04:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398381159509680128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398388932549025792Nov 07 04:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Only in #melbourne http://t.co/YqV2PFs8aTNov 07 04:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Google engineers: Fuck you NSA http://t.co/zyquLA9tyS #nsa #googleNov 07 04:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | Google engineers: Fuck you NSA | MuktwareNov 07 05:00
iophkQ: Is there anything that they won't use the 'think of the children' line on?Nov 07 05:23
iophkA: Healthcare.Nov 07 05:23
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MinceR:>Nov 07 06:20
schestowitziophk: ahNov 07 06:28
iophkparaphrasedNov 07 06:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398395393035497472  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398399039026520064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398402313767116800  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398411641525907457Nov 07 06:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: More Lawsuits by Proxy From Microsoft Against Linux  http://t.co/M4BXzjhRlJ #linux #microsoft #android #swpatsNov 07 06:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | More Lawsuits by Proxy From Microsoft Against Linux | TechrightsNov 07 06:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The “Year of the Linux Desktop” Predicted in the Corporate Press http://t.co/vIkctNGyZB #gnu #linux #windows #vista8Nov 07 06:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The “Year of the Linux Desktop” Predicted in the Corporate Press | TechrightsNov 07 06:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How to Overcome #Microsoft UEFI ‘Secure’ Boot Lock-in: Chuck the Physical Hard-Drive  http://t.co/ROw8l42qjT #uefi #intel #bsdNov 07 06:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | How to Overcome Microsoft UEFI ‘Secure’ Boot Lock-in: Chuck the Physical Hard-Drive | TechrightsNov 07 06:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: UNIX and GNU/Linux: The More, The Merrier  http://t.co/K8ds389m0q #gnu #linux #unix #bsdNov 07 06:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | UNIX and GNU/Linux: The More, The Merrier | TechrightsNov 07 06:32
schestowitziophk: now about FreeBSD...Nov 07 06:39
iophkCool.Nov 07 06:39
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398413664971407360  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398416835429040128  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398424725720150016  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398431117705248768Nov 07 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Embedded/Devices Linux News for October-November 2013 http://t.co/UQT41lqp3G #linuxNov 07 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Embedded/Devices Linux News for October-November 2013 | TechrightsNov 07 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: FreeBSD Turns 20  http://t.co/UBL0nAkeUT #bsd #freebsd #unixNov 07 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | FreeBSD Turns 20 | TechrightsNov 07 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: GNU Compiler Collection Approaching Version 5 http://t.co/tGsdB5IOUo #gnu #gcc #freedom #privacy #fsf #fsfeNov 07 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | GNU Compiler Collection Approaching Version 5 | TechrightsNov 07 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Latest NSA Ugliness: Skype Gets Worse, Snowden Speaks to Germany, New Zealand Becomes NSA’s Little Brother   http://t.co/UwPCKgVTrt #nsaNov 07 07:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Latest NSA Ugliness: Skype Gets Worse, Snowden Speaks to Germany, New Zealand Becomes NSA’s Little Brother, and ‘Paedophilia’ Used to Defend the NSA | TechrightsNov 07 07:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fgnutelephony%2Fstatus%2F398433495518674944&sig=bc4e94c3512f105c3b69134357cc035aa325f6b7&uid=26603208&iid=aa8423676caa4d90840b067d0f08ae7d&nid=27+1267&t=1Nov 07 08:05
TechrightsBot-trtwitter.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwtj ]Nov 07 08:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/398433495518674944Nov 07 08:05
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz the US govt clearly did consider those "essential" services during the shutdown....Nov 07 08:05
schestowitzthis shows who these services actually serve; same for the GOP as a party...Nov 07 08:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/398436058838208512Nov 07 08:07
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz well @KimDotcom has experience with New Zealand's little brother, and speaking of rectal exams: http://t.co/gGneV9cFArNov 07 08:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.huffingtonpost.com | Terrifying Drug War Story Of The Day: Man Receives Multiple Anal Probes After Traffic StopNov 07 08:07
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3256244Nov 07 08:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/11/05/2891461/zealand-nsa/ #nz broke the law, not legalises itNov 07 08:23
TechrightsBot-tr-> thinkprogress.org | New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency | ThinkProgress  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwwu ]Nov 07 08:23
schestowitz"Encrypt All the Webs! Let them spend their compute cycles cracking open our amusing cat gifs, and links to Gangnam Style parodies.256244'Nov 07 08:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260283Nov 07 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google engineers: Fuck you NSA http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/google-engineers-fuck-nsa/15586 #nsa #googleNov 07 08:24
schestowitzYeah they should have just asked like they did with PRISM."Nov 07 08:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3256251Nov 07 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: This is interesting. Would like to do more research on it. King Leopold. http://www.walkingbutterfly.com/2010/12/22/when-you-kill-ten-million-africans-you-arent-called-hitler/Nov 07 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.walkingbutterfly.com | When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’ : Diary of a Walking Butterfly  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpvv ]Nov 07 08:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/c67ca7d05a5daf3dNov 07 08:24
TechrightsBot-trjoindiaspora.com | **The worst dicta...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwx1 ]Nov 07 08:24
schestowitz    "The whole organisation was riddled with nepotism - dim, dreary people of utter unmemorability; sub-men who were doubled up with other sub-men to create an illusion of strength and only doubled the weakness; others made memorable only by poisonous, corrupt malevolence or crass, mulish stupidity; the whole run by a chain of command remarkable for its feebleness. The entire service was decrepit and incompetent."Nov 07 08:27
schestowitzhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/BUGGERNov 07 08:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.bbc.co.uk | BBC - Blogs -  Adam Curtis - BUGGER  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwxf ]Nov 07 08:27
schestowitzhttp://31.media.tumblr.com/fde4cf7d2e327584a8aba9b3bfdaffa1/tumblr_mvviqyKy4q1r69cq5o1_500.jpgNov 07 08:30
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3256863Nov 07 08:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | #Unbelievable, be...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwy5 ]Nov 07 08:31
schestowitzMe: I want to report a ridiculously slow broadband connection BT Customer Advisor: OK turn on your windoze PC Me: I don't have a windoze PC!!! BT Customer Advisor: That's right sir, switch it on Me: I just said I don't own a windoze PC BT Customer Advisor: What operating system do you use? Me: Linux BT Customer Advisor: Are you sure? Me: YES!!!! BT Customer Advisor: I can't help you because we don't support this Leeenux thing Me: I'm Nov 07 08:31
schestowitznot asking for a system review, I'm telling you that the broadband speed isn't what I pay for. I've checked the settings and they are all fine, but this speed has been awful for 3 days. BT Customer Advisor: I can't troubleshoot because you don't have a windoze or mac PC. Me: There seems to be an exterior line problem, both my neighbours have the same issue. BT Customer Advisor: Sorry I can't help you until you get a windoze PC""Nov 07 08:31
iophkLawsuit time?Nov 07 08:32
iophkAre there other ISP's or do they behave that way because they have a local monopoly?Nov 07 08:32
schestowitzI had this experience too last month. fortunately I knew their boss' name in India, so I immediately demand that they let me speak to him and within days the problem was rectified. For broadband, ask to speak to "Mahek"; failing that, threaten to talk to Mr. Buckley. That'll work magic. After 10 hours on the phone with them you tend to learn these tricks. threatening to dump BT helps too sometimes.Nov 07 08:33
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3256863Nov 07 08:34
schestowitzI presume you are from the UK? Check out Andrews & Arnold (aaisp). They are not the cheapest, but if you call tech support you realize you are talking to a network professional, not a script-reading chimp. They will be pleased to talk about Gnu/Linux software too. (I.e. they are network professionals ;-)"77"Nov 07 08:34
schestowitz"In such cases it might help to ask for the second level support to get someone who has a technical background ;-)"Nov 07 08:35
schestowitz"We were told once that using Linux violated the ISP's terms of service because it's "illegal," pirated, etc. Just lie, save yourself the trouble."Nov 07 08:35
schestowitz"Social goals" https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_c27bee5b5b7661d83734.jpgNov 07 08:43
MinceRhe was wrongNov 07 08:54
schestowitzblechNov 07 08:56
schestowitzthanks for what?Nov 07 08:56
schestowitzhttp://lessig.tumblr.com/post/66206907278/wow-apple-wonderful-newNov 07 08:56
TechrightsBot-trlessig.tumblr.com | Lessig Blog, v2  [ http://ur1.ca/fzx1u ]Nov 07 08:56
schestowitzhttp://www.lessig.org/2013/11/wow-apple-wonderful-news/Nov 07 08:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.lessig.org | Wow, Apple. Wonderful news. | Lessig  [ http://ur1.ca/fzsp1 ]Nov 07 08:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398433084963844096  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398433281865433088    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398436334890528768  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398436905962205184Nov 07 08:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Our government says that #privacy helps #pedophilia so using similar logic I'd accuse the government of only aiding war crimes & corruptionNov 07 08:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Terrorists are found to be using pens and eating in restaurants when planning offences. Let's ban pens and restaurants.Nov 07 08:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: @gnutelephony this shows who these services actually serve; same for the GOP as a party...Nov 07 08:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The term "full rectal examination" is becoming more literal -- not just metaphorical -- in the #policestate http://t.co/OTvNeOfNwuNov 07 08:57
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.huffingtonpost.com | Terrifying Drug War Story Of The Day: Man Receives Multiple Anal Probes After Traffic StopNov 07 08:57
MinceR> crApple systems are of too low quality to expect that updates are seamless.Nov 07 08:57
MinceRFTFY, Larry.Nov 07 08:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398437591701528576  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398437872304668672  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398438474489266176  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398439049780023296Nov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Before it was cool" https://t.co/XeXCxyqwFONov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The oppressors at #apple prepare to help crush protests http://t.co/UAtbdIojcXNov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> boingboing.net | Apple granted patent for location-based camera phone disabling - Boing BoingNov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Help with actions, not with Big Brother (aka Facebook) https://t.co/MjD6A2FiBbNov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "just fine for others to kick in for a movie that's all about self-reliance." http://t.co/w3EYz1H4MuNov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.cnet.com | Ayn Rand producers beg for help from others on Kickstarter | Technically Incorrect - CNET NewsNov 07 08:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398439524701061120   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398441940112646145   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398444268215607296     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398448373680062464Nov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Is #Arafat another Alexander #Litvinenko or not? http://t.co/5JJ7jOpqBS compare to http://t.co/10UKJ1YyA4Nov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Yasser Arafat may have been poisoned with polonium, tests show | World news | The GuardianNov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> en.wikipedia.org | Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "...better class of gerbil to find out the truth? But maybe we have them already - they're called journalists." http://t.co/mT7oCiPf7oNov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "McDonald's happy image and its golden arches aren't the gateway to bliss in Bolivia.' http://t.co/WVNa63Jqe0Nov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.foodmatters.tv | FINALLY! A Whole Nation Rejects McDonaldsNov 07 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Politicians pretending to be religious because their advisors tell them it's a good strategy for getting more vote: not just a US thing.Nov 07 08:58
iophkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/06/todays-drug-war-outrage-m_n_4225995.htmlNov 07 09:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Today's Drug War Outrage: Man Dies In Jail Cell After Misdemeanor Pot Offense  [ http://ur1.ca/fzx43 ]Nov 07 09:13
schestowitzposted..Nov 07 09:15
schestowitziophk: any point  publshing over 8 posts per day?Nov 07 09:15
schestowitzDone 8 by 12pmNov 07 09:15
schestowitzbut need to pace it a bitNov 07 09:15
schestowitzalso need to figure out how to manage tuxmachines and techrights, maybe split  by topicNov 07 09:16
schestowitzmaybe link the two for new contentNov 07 09:16
iophkpacing might be better insteadNov 07 09:18
iophktoo many in one day dilutes them, I would thinkNov 07 09:19
iophkcan some wait until days you are busy?Nov 07 09:20
schestowitzyesNov 07 09:21
schestowitzbut can't predict when I would be busyNov 07 09:21
iophkokNov 07 09:22
iophkTuxmachines has had a much lower volume, so it might pay to be pickier about which 2 or 3 links are written up there.  Nov 07 09:22
schestowitzit's a communityNov 07 09:32
schestowitzalso a bit of a magnet of searchers who are after old articlesNov 07 09:32
schestowitzsome of which are no longer available on the Web, so TM keeps some snippets...Nov 07 09:33
iophkToo bad whole articles can't be cached.Nov 07 09:33
iophkI bet a lot of stufff from 2003 is gone even though that's only 10 years ago.Nov 07 09:33
iophkTM is from 2005 IIRCNov 07 09:34
iophkhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node?page=3766Nov 07 09:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.tuxmachines.org | tuxmachines.org | Do you waddle the waddle?  [ http://ur1.ca/fzx7g ]Nov 07 09:34
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398451182508978176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398451558167621632   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398451786526523392    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398453065814405120  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398453433130569728  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398455105940627457Nov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Rebuilding Ecuador's economy with open source principles http://t.co/nCcMLKRlpn #Ecuador #sharingNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | Rebuilding Ecuador's economy with open source principles | opensource.comNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bug-Free Linux 4.0? http://t.co/Q4ZEZjCnYn #linux #kernel #programmingNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Bug-Free Linux 4.0? | Linux JournalNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: What’s New In Drupal 8 http://t.co/QScJ7GhkRY #drupal #cms #gplNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.cmsobserver.com | What’s New In Drupal 8 | CMS ObserverNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 2013 Developer Salary Survey http://t.co/qr4U6YJ0DZ http://t.co/41xK82uw1UNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.drdobbs.com | 2013 Developer Salary Survey | Dr Dobb'sNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.drdobbs.com | 2013 Developer Salary Survey | Dr Dobb'sNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Today's Drug War Outrage: Man Dies In Jail Cell After Misdemeanor Pot Offense  http://t.co/h2NB2NA0n7 saw one arrested yesterdayNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Is GNU/Linux right for you?  http://t.co/d5MJWrq4bd #gnu #linuxNov 07 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.itworld.com | Is Linux right for you?  | ITworldNov 07 10:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398456264822652928   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398456560353308672  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398456877044215808    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398458792796770304    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398460228142112768   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398461572093603840Nov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steam For Linux Has Its First Birthday Today! http://t.co/BKdvzxGVEX #steam #gnu #linux #gamesNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.gamingonlinux.com | GamingOnLinux - Voxatron Aims Big For Its 0.3 ReleaseNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Open source robot kit lets you BYO Arduino or Pi http://t.co/Erja7feaTh #arduino #linux #roboticsNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Open source robot kit lets you BYO Arduino or Pi ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: NVIDIA 331.20 Supports New Kernels, NvFBCOpenGL http://t.co/zJr45c8ZHk #linux #nvidia still behind someNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA 331.20 Supports New Kernels, NvFBCOpenGLNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Many Germans in the years before 1933 dismissed the little man with the mustache: He could never take power..." http://t.co/wco4nzPUygNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> rdwolff.com | What GOP-Tea Party Risks With Block of New New Deal | Professor Richard D. WolffNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Chances for a Tizen Smartphone Entry http://t.co/c2H1YmkC3Y #tizen #linux #phoneNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Chances for a Tizen Smartphone Entry | Linux JournalNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Linux-ready box computers with IP40 compliance, anti-vibration support, and extended temperature ranges" http://t.co/J2xqf5hh9vNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Compact box-PCs take Linux to extremes ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 07 10:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398461596856750080   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398462211116777472   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398474153118142464Nov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Hard for GNU/Linux users to give Google (and NSA) their personal data http://t.co/OapsPfAkrgNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Google Drive for Linux? | Linux JournalNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Higher education is not just about producing valuable workers, but about educating people to become thinking" http://t.co/59QY6mIY6bNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | Disrupting education for the better, opinion article by Matt Jadud | opensource.comNov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Always been a bit mystified as to why FOSS people give Google a free pass when it comes to privacy-violating networks http://t.co/1qyWIZzrj0Nov 07 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> webmink.com | Personal URL on Google+ | Wild WebminkNov 07 10:42
schestowitzhttps://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpgNov 07 10:44
schestowitzSome people in the US now equate their government with a foreign occupierNov 07 10:45
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/nexus-5-review-flagship-hardware-for-half-the-price/Nov 07 10:46
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Nexus 5 Review: Flagship hardware for half the price | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzxh3 ]Nov 07 10:46
Sosumiand gtx 780T displaced the gtx titan, except for double precisionNov 07 10:46
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iophkhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24848907Nov 07 10:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Internet Archive building damaged by fire  [ http://ur1.ca/fzxj2 ]Nov 07 10:58
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398477131124322304  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398479681395372032   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398479957472858113   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398480364467138560Nov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Kyocera completes Japan’s largest offshore solar energy plant in Kagoshima http://t.co/V4J5lqlz7a #japan #energy #lessonNov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> japandailypress.com | Kyocera completes Japan’s largest offshore solar energy plant in Kagoshima - The Japan Daily PressNov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: EULA https://t.co/lGceJ71ERS #microsoft #lockin #bundling #antichoiceNov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Risk of massive #asteroid strike underestimated http://t.co/oCZfEIdCJL while we waste energy fighting one another...Nov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.nature.com | Risk of massive asteroid strike underestimated : Nature News & CommentNov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: If an asteroid was to approach Earth and we used the same pseudo/fictitious/stupid 'science' as in "Armageddon™", we'd be doomedNov 07 11:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398481380604395522  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398482214029361152  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398486003025186816Nov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: In #Egypt "men—mostly from Saudi Arabia—come to buy girls for “pleasure” marriages." http://t.co/XG4dpsD2IONov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.projectcensored.org | Underage Girls Sold into Temporary “Marriages” in Egypt – Validated Independent NewsNov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ralph #Nader on the Washington Post (known for serving #CIA agenda, just like Amazon) becoming Bezos' toy http://t.co/zk2QfcLZ4FNov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.fair.org | An Open Letter to the Washington PostNov 07 11:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Internet Archive building damaged by fire http://t.co/UT8yxHqSWR like burning books, for which there are no copies (like Alexandria)Nov 07 11:26
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398486911867949056  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398487326382649344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398487866021773312Nov 07 11:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Internet Archive has helped -- among other things -- expose politicians who are pathological liars and hide past writings.Nov 07 11:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Former Guantánamo Bay prisoner David Hicks, an Australian citizen, has lodged an appeal with the US Court" https://t.co/gUK2xbVlrlNov 07 11:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wsws.org | David Hicks seeks to overturn Guantánamo “terrorism” conviction - World Socialist Web SiteNov 07 11:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Greek police raid occupied and worker-run TV station http://t.co/TPz8zP9bns #greece #freespeechNov 07 11:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> roarmag.org | Greek police raid occupied and worker-run TV station | ROAR MagazineNov 07 11:37
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schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3261476Nov 07 12:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | Any #Linux users ...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzy0b ]Nov 07 12:36
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3261460Nov 07 12:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | after 1hour 45min...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzy0d ]Nov 07 12:36
schestowitzOnly 1:45? Consider yourself lucky http://www.google.com/custom?q=bt&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=schestowitz.com&client=pub-2479740519054892&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23999999%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A999999%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A999999%3BALC%3A666666%3BLC%3A666666%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A333333%3BGIMP%3A333333%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A50%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.com%2FIMG%2Frslogo.jpg%3BS%Nov 07 12:37
schestowitz3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.com%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=enNov 07 12:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.google.com | bt - Google Search  [ http://ur1.ca/fzy0j ]Nov 07 12:37
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261319Nov 07 15:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Internet Archive building damaged by fire http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24848907 like burning books, for which there are no copies (like Alexandria)Nov 07 15:23
schestowitz__"Not good."Nov 07 15:23
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Sosumiha bitcoin, when will the bubble burstNov 07 16:01
MinceRis it a bubble?Nov 07 16:02
Sosumiin that way that it has fastly risenNov 07 16:03
MinceRicNov 07 16:03
Sosumiit may come as fast in it's way downNov 07 16:03
MinceRindeedNov 07 16:03
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SosumiI'm still favouring metals and IPNov 07 16:04
MinceRIP in the toilet.Nov 07 16:05
Sosumiso the folks heavily invested in bitcoin should diversyNov 07 16:05
Sosumijust in case it goes downNov 07 16:05
MinceRand so should you :>Nov 07 16:06
SosumiIP is not turdhood filmsNov 07 16:06
SosumiI mean real IPNov 07 16:06
Sosumiin tech stuffNov 07 16:06
iophkUnwilling to hire competent people with salaries and benefits, they try to get by with theatrics and paltry bids that won't beat what the blackmarket will offer for the same exploits:Nov 07 16:06
iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/06/facebook-microsoft-bounties-idUSL2N0IR1X720131106Nov 07 16:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | U.S. rivals team up in offering bounties to secure Internet | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/fzyus ]Nov 07 16:06
MinceRreal imaginary property?Nov 07 16:06
Sosumino, I meant back up companies in tech sector like energy for exampleNov 07 16:08
Sosumiby backing them up, you're in a sense aquiring IPNov 07 16:08
iophkwhat kind of imaginary property?Nov 07 16:08
MinceRno, i'm notNov 07 16:08
Sosumihow not? when you get to seat in the board?Nov 07 16:09
MinceRwhich boards do you have a seat on?Nov 07 16:10
Sosumiboard of directorsNov 07 16:10
MinceRof which company?Nov 07 16:10
Sosumithe one you're up to the neckNov 07 16:10
MinceRthat's neitherNov 07 16:10
Sosumifor example, my gramps sits on the board of PT. Why? Because he's a major stockholder, so he gets to participate in the direction of the companyNov 07 16:12
Sosumiso in a sense, it's his company by a certain %Nov 07 16:13
Sosumithat's what I meant by aquiring IPNov 07 16:14
Sosumiwhich in my POV is corporate raidingNov 07 16:14
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261319Nov 07 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Internet Archive building damaged by fire http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24848907 like burning books, for which there are no copies (like Alexandria)Nov 07 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Internet Archive building damaged by fire  [ http://ur1.ca/fzxj2 ]Nov 07 16:16
schestowitz__"Copyright hides and destroys culture. Copy preserves it."Nov 07 16:16
Sosumicopyright only allows fat cats to sit on stuff instead of letting it flow freelyNov 07 16:21
MinceRit also allows consumers to be cheated out of ownership rightsNov 07 16:23
Sosumiyep, like the DD stores like steam and itunesNov 07 16:23
Sosumilose your account and there went the stuff you "paid to access"Nov 07 16:24
Sosuminot to ownNov 07 16:24
SosumiasideNov 07 16:25
Sosumiosx and the buttplug pro won't be doing 4k at 60HzNov 07 16:25
Sosumiosx sees a 4k display as 2 separate panels, each at 1920x2160Nov 07 16:26
Sosumiand "runs them" at 30HzNov 07 16:27
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398505502331916288  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398551544054157312  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398558026757857280  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398558079052427264Nov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Poverty https://t.co/mPs8t4MkuQNov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How to decide if Linux is right for you http://t.co/99gCFtg9kp #gnu #linuxNov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> howto.cnet.com | How to decide if Linux is right for you | How To - CNETNov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How to write your book using Linux  http://t.co/NtWHUd88ax #gnu #linuxNov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | How to write a book using Linux and LibreOffice: The Librarian’s Guide to Academic Research in the Cloud | opensource.comNov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: This is Valve's Steam Machine prototype and SteamOS (hands-on) http://t.co/di0qmkBbhl #gnu #linux #steamNov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.engadget.com | This is Valve's Steam Machine prototype and SteamOS (hands-on)Nov 07 16:27
MinceRlolNov 07 16:27
Sosumion winblows it all worksNov 07 16:27
Sosumican't say for rhel/fedora since no one testedNov 07 16:28
Sosumiho and I meant work as single display @60HzNov 07 16:29
Sosumialso, it'll be hilarious when a top of the line 2009 or 2010 mac pro equiped with flashed gtx 780 beats the buttplug in opencl, opengl benchmarksNov 07 16:30
Sosumiwhile still offering the CUDA optionNov 07 16:30
schestowitz__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX_TVMp4rDENov 07 16:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Lou Reed Live in Paris 1974 (I) - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzyyg ]Nov 07 16:31
schestowitz__lolNov 07 16:31
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer Regarding the NRA comment. The Republicans are repeatedly trying to change the law to protect rapists. I wonder how they'd feel about gun control if women did start shooting the rapists.Nov 07 19:10
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Do you think this would be worth buying or not? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/80-rikomagic-arm-based-ubuntu-mini-pc-starts-shippingNov 07 19:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.omgubuntu.co.uk | £80 Rikomagic ARM-Based Ubuntu Mini-PC Starts Shipping | OMG! Ubuntu!  [ http://ur1.ca/fzzlz ]Nov 07 19:11
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared The Walking Dead's photo.Nov 07 19:18
DaemonFC2 minutes agoNov 07 19:18
DaemonFCMy comment: "Using your cable provider login". In other words, to access content on your website, you must first prove that you subscribe to a legacy service. This is like an online newspaper making people prove that they have a dead tree delivered to their door each morning. You're welcome to join the 21st century any time now, AMC.Nov 07 19:18
DaemonFCRyan FarmerNov 07 19:18
DaemonFCa few seconds agoNov 07 19:18
DaemonFCThe Pirate Bay really delivers a great public service. They remove Digital Restrictions Malware and don't make you prove you subscribe to cable. **** Comcast. **** them in their stupid faces. I hope they all get **** and **** rot and die a horrible death. They're the biggest ****ing pirates I've ever seen.Nov 07 19:18
DaemonFCI don't know why more people don't say Digital Restrictions Malware.Nov 07 19:21
DaemonFCI've seen a few people call it Digital Restrictions Management, but I don't really think that goes far enough.Nov 07 19:21
DaemonFCIt is software that users don't want which wastes the computer's resources, cripples their devices, and steals the user's rights and freedoms.Nov 07 19:22
DaemonFCCall it what it is.Nov 07 19:22
DaemonFCThere's a guy on this personals website that messaged me.Nov 07 19:59
DaemonFCHe says he's a devoted fundamentalist Christian that is "working out his sexuality with godly fear an trembling".Nov 07 19:59
DaemonFCOh great. There's just what I need in my life.Nov 07 19:59
DaemonFCI wake up every day. Something is missing. I have found what I was looking for.Nov 07 20:00
DaemonFC:PNov 07 20:00
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/01micko/status/398600244390162432Nov 08 01:13
TechrightsBot-tr@01micko: @schestowitz 14.1 stable is now released #SlackwareNov 08 01:13
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261259Nov 08 01:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Risk of massive #asteroid strike underestimated http://www.nature.com/news/risk-of-massive-asteroid-strike-underestimated-1.14114 while we waste energy fighting one another...Nov 08 01:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.nature.com | Risk of massive asteroid strike underestimated : Nature News & Comment  [ http://ur1.ca/g00su ]Nov 08 01:16
schestowitz__"Wait ... so are you saying that we can't trust Bruce Wills ?? oo wait wait he died on the move .. we are really doomed ;)""Nov 08 01:17
schestowitz__"7 Hiroshima's worth ... and to think that on the same day, all the space-attention was focused on the other side of the planet for a known near-miss. The near-miss was actually bigger, it would have been a civilization-ender if it hit anything."Nov 08 01:18
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260781Nov 08 01:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The oppressors at #apple prepare to help crush protests http://boingboing.net/2012/08/30/apple-granted-patent-for-locat.htmlNov 08 01:19
TechrightsBot-tr-> boingboing.net | Apple granted patent for location-based camera phone disabling - Boing Boing  [ http://ur1.ca/a2qrh ]Nov 08 01:19
schestowitz__Good. Now the other camera phones won't disable video, because that would require a license from Apple."77"Nov 08 01:20
schestowitz__I heard this joke before...Nov 08 01:20
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J62JQ3yBXdsNov 08 01:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Carl Sagan's Cosmos, edited for Rednecks - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g00w5 ]Nov 08 01:44
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3263687Nov 08 01:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "You pay in cash??? What are you, some kind of terrorist or something?"Nov 08 01:48
schestowitz__……Or something.""Nov 08 01:48
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260856Nov 08 01:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "McDonald's happy image and its golden arches aren't the gateway to bliss in Bolivia.' http://www.foodmatters.tv/articles-1/a-whole-nation-rejects-mcdonaldsNov 08 01:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.foodmatters.tv | FINALLY! A Whole Nation Rejects McDonalds  [ http://ur1.ca/g00wp ]Nov 08 01:50
schestowitz__"That would be because the major shareholders of McDonalds also hold major shares in the mainstream media outlets. I'm sure you're shocked."Nov 08 01:50
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260865Nov 08 01:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #occupygezi #istanbul #türkiye #spy #stoperdoganNov 08 01:50
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by ras_berlin@diasp.de: https://diasp.de/uploads/images/thumb_medium_cd8aee10746d0e4d059e.jpgNov 08 01:50
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by ras_berlin@diasp.de: https://diasp.de/uploads/images/thumb_medium_cd8aee10746d0e4d059e.jpgNov 08 01:50
schestowitz__"Awesome."Nov 08 01:50
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261193Nov 08 01:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Always been a bit mystified as to why FOSS people give Google a free pass when it comes to privacy-violating networks http://webmink.com/2013/11/05/personal-url-on-google/Nov 08 01:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> webmink.com | Personal URL on Google+ | Wild Webmink  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlqe ]Nov 08 01:51
schestowitz__"Simple. They've been bought without even realizing it. Usually for the cost of a bit of Summer of Code, and the open parts of Android (shrinking daily)."Nov 08 01:51
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260102Nov 08 01:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: anger release machine...Nov 08 01:51
schestowitz__"Also great for Greek weddings..."Nov 08 01:51
DaemonFChttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/im-app-trillian-launches-linux-betaNov 08 02:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.omgubuntu.co.uk | Trillian for Linux Hits Beta, Boasts Tight Ubuntu Integration  [ http://ur1.ca/g00z7 ]Nov 08 02:07
DaemonFCThey forgot to mention why anyone would want it.Nov 08 02:07
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398696721116823552  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398694495564623872Nov 08 03:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "You pay in cash??? What are you, some kind of terrorist or something?"Nov 08 03:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Got an E-mail from NatWest promoting the new program for tracking your shopping even when you pay in cash.Nov 08 03:25
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398730103410405376Nov 08 03:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Sea Shepherd activist Paul watson faces US court after year on the run  http://t.co/7ANtrixEJp #activism #law #corporatismNov 08 03:40
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theaustralian.com.au | Cookies must be enabled. |  The AustralianNov 08 03:40
MinceRgeekingsNov 08 04:23
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/Nov 08 04:29
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ]Nov 08 04:29
iophkmaking more friendsNov 08 04:29
iophk"zero day" is just a marketing term for holes that the vendor can't be bothered to fixNov 08 04:32
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/exploits-of-critical-microsoft-zero-day-more-widespread-than-thought/Nov 08 04:32
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Exploits of critical Microsoft zero day more widespread than thought | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g01wh ]Nov 08 04:32
iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/2013/11/canonical-sends-takedown-notice-eff-staffer-criticizes-privacy-ubuntu/15648Nov 08 04:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Canonical Sends takedown notice to EFF staffer who criticizes Privacy of Ubuntu | Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/g01x0 ]Nov 08 04:38
iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/11/swartz-foia-november/Nov 08 04:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz's 'Depression Problems' | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g01zp ]Nov 08 04:51
iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/07/tim-berners-lee-nsaNov 08 04:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.co.uk | Tim Berners-Lee calls for international protections for whistleblowers (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/g0209 ]Nov 08 04:54
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iophkhttp://www.diceholdingsinc.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=211152&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1869460&highlight=Nov 08 05:40
iophk" Slashdot Media contributed $3.7 million to revenues in the third quarter of 2013, as compared to $0.8 million in the same period a year ago"Nov 08 05:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.diceholdingsinc.com | Dice Holdings, Inc. -  Press Release  [ http://ur1.ca/g027m ]Nov 08 05:40
iophkIsn't this also just the same data they are getting from social media and e-mail logging?Nov 08 07:29
iophkhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/us/cia-is-said-to-pay-att-for-call-data.html?hp&_r=1&Nov 08 07:29
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/g02o8 ]Nov 08 07:29
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/Nov 08 10:07
Sosumimoronical and mark shutleWORMNov 08 10:07
Sosumihttp://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11Nov 08 10:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessinsider.com | Microsoft Earns $2 Billion Per Year From Android Patent Royalties - Business Insider  [ http://ur1.ca/g038h ]Nov 08 10:09
Sosumimicro$haft are like the mafia, they don't do anything good but they earn their money by leeching from others workNov 08 10:10
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Sosumibuttplug pro powered by unicornsNov 08 12:41
Sosumihttp://i.imgur.com/urfnyzY.jpgNov 08 12:41
Sosumiand that's about the magical 450W psu that it hasNov 08 12:41
Sosumiand that is incapable of providing enough juice for two crippled fire pro w9000 and 8 core cpu on the max configNov 08 12:42
Sosumihum, maybe it should feature on adventure time as an unicorn buttjet engineNov 08 12:44
Sosumialso, tested fedora 19 with secure boot and it works until it doesn'tNov 08 12:44
Sosumiasus on it's latest 2 firmware patches has managed to fix efi boot for gnu/linuxNov 08 12:45
Sosumiand it's no longer necessary to reinstall grub for the option to boot to "X" distro do re-appearNov 08 12:45
Sosuminow it shows "EFI OS" and it'll update itself automatically once booting back in the OSNov 08 12:46
Sosumiso kudos to asus for making it easier for folks to show the finger to the manNov 08 12:47
__martin__Sosumi: do all the recent chromebooks use coreboot stack?Nov 08 12:48
SosumiI've never seen a chromebook to begin withNov 08 12:49
Sosumibut no I have no ideaNov 08 12:49
Sosumibut this is poortugal, micro$cheiße land, they don't sell anything of that here,Nov 08 12:51
Sosumioutside the pc lineups, all you have is a mac cornerNov 08 12:52
Sosuminothing moreNov 08 12:52
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sebsebseb1 2 3 iophkNov 08 13:37
iophk3 2 1 sebsebsebNov 08 13:37
sebsebsebiophk: what should I propse for the eventNov 08 13:38
sebsebsebwith the Keep It Simple principal in mindNov 08 13:38
iophkWhat's the current status?Nov 08 13:38
sebsebsebiophk: I can  do more than one proposals toNov 08 13:38
iophk You had sent some mails.Nov 08 13:39
sebsebsebcurrent status well waiting for more proposalsNov 08 13:39
sebsebsebto do the demonstratios, an promotions speches, and voting, at next meetingNov 08 13:39
sebsebsebiophk: oh and  I can probably have a prope rremaster made by the guy who makes the offical ISO'sNov 08 13:39
sebsebsebaltough now got a proper re mastering pag on the Mageia wiki as well :)Nov 08 13:39
sebsebsebiophk: a old similar guide to what I used,  more commands, bene up dated a little to alredy etcNov 08 13:40
sebsebsebno Jitsi in Maiega's repo's though,  not had a vounteer yetNov 08 13:40
iophkThat's an improvement, though there are still good reasons to stick with the stock images.Nov 08 13:40
sebsebsebthe guy who makes the remster might do it though I Think hmmNov 08 13:40
sebsebsebiophk: yes, but they won't stick with the stock imagesNov 08 13:40
sebsebsebit's remasters and that's thatNov 08 13:40
iophkWasted effort / resourcesNov 08 13:41
sebsebsebiophk: I did a idea in a meai where I had everything coverdNov 08 13:41
sebsebseball de's ad interfacesNov 08 13:41
sebsebseb,but guy who wants Mint a lot didn't agree etcNov 08 13:41
sebsebseb,but there's a document I can add in proper proposals inNov 08 13:41
sebsebsebiophk: well it's a demonstaiton fest now real not an install festNov 08 13:41
sebsebsebso the idea is to be able to show stuff they can runNov 08 13:41
iophkok then there is no need for remasters there eitherNov 08 13:41
iophksince nothing is getting installedNov 08 13:41
sebsebsebthey wll boot up from a USBNov 08 13:42
sebsebseba remastred USBNov 08 13:42
sebsebsebmaybe install from it toNov 08 13:42
sebsebsebiophk: remasters is what was decided, I can't change thatNov 08 13:42
sebsebsebthat's how it isNov 08 13:42
sebsebsebremastered USB's to be exactNov 08 13:42
iophkwhat's next VMs?Nov 08 13:42
iophk:PNov 08 13:42
sebsebsebnope no vm'sNov 08 13:42
sebsebsebjust re mstersNov 08 13:42
sebsebsebremasterd USB'sNov 08 13:43
iophkHow many demo machines are you looking at so far?Nov 08 13:43
sebsebsebnot sure we have to decide that maybe to I don't knjow qiteNov 08 13:43
sebsebsebit's a vote on how many distros and what interffacesNov 08 13:43
iophkWhere is the demo equipment coming from?Nov 08 13:43
iophkI'd still say 2 distros.Nov 08 13:44
iophkfor the same reasons as before.Nov 08 13:44
iophkWhich apps will be shown off?Nov 08 13:44
sebsebsebiophk: well I think Mint is inNov 08 13:44
sebsebsebevent co ordinater wants  Min with Cinnamon and Open Suse for KDENov 08 13:45
iophkSuse is M$Nov 08 13:45
sebsebsebiophk: so really its distrowars between   Mageia and Open SuseNov 08 13:45
sebsebsebit seems too meNov 08 13:45
sebsebsebUbuntu will be voted out I expect, since  most of them don't like UnityNov 08 13:45
iophkToo bad.Nov 08 13:45
iophkI'm not a fan of it either but it deserves to be shown.Nov 08 13:45
sebsebsebit's looking too me like a Mint and Open Suse eventNov 08 13:45
sebsebsebunless I can win them over to MageiaNov 08 13:45
iophkI hope you succeedNov 08 13:46
sebsebsebiophk: I think Ubuntu shuld be an optoin toNov 08 13:46
sebsebseb,butNov 08 13:46
sebsebsebmost of them are Cinnamon fan boys it seemsNov 08 13:46
sebsebseband so they like MintNov 08 13:46
sebsebsebor whatever it isNov 08 13:46
iophkIsn't cinnamon on Mageia?Nov 08 13:46
sebsebsebyes, but not in a live mediaNov 08 13:46
sebsebsebMageia 4 will have in repo'sNov 08 13:46
iophkBut you're not doing live, you're working with demo machines?Nov 08 13:46
sebsebsebbothNov 08 13:47
sebsebsebto show people stuff on demo machines, but then also give them what they think they want on remastered USB/sNov 08 13:47
sebsebsebwith the addiotnal appsNov 08 13:47
sebsebseband upates already installed to the creaiton of itNov 08 13:47
sebsebsebiophk: it feesl strange to me not to have Ubuntu, on the other hand the times have changd a bit, the Unity dislikers etcNov 08 13:48
sebsebsebit's 2013Nov 08 13:48
sebsebsebCinnmaon and Mate  exist now to Nov 08 13:48
iophkXFCE should be on the listNov 08 13:48
sebsebsebi suggestd XFCE in something, but itns' so simpleNov 08 13:49
sebsebsebit seems in generaNov 08 13:49
sebsebsebthey don't want loads of distro's or interfacesNov 08 13:49
iophkThen just Mageia with the DEs that have been selected. Nov 08 13:49
iophkI suspect there is more agreement over the DEs so those should be chosen nextNov 08 13:49
sebsebsebiophk: yep maybe that's what I should proposeNov 08 13:50
sebsebsebiophk: Mint for CinnamonNov 08 13:50
sebsebsebMagiea for KDE and GNOMENov 08 13:50
sebsebsebor uhNov 08 13:50
sebsebsebiophk: to be honest the older guys propsal is a bit hmm as wlelNov 08 13:50
sebsebsebon the documentNov 08 13:50
sebsebsebwhat does he want exactly hmm Nov 08 13:50
__martin__now this is LOL; M$ makes out of Android/Linux license ransom scheme 2mld $ annualy and compensating lossy XboxesNov 08 13:50
iophkXFCE should be popular with recovering Windows users, especially XPNov 08 13:51
sebsebsebiophk: I'll do a pastebin of two thingsNov 08 13:51
sebsebseband show youNov 08 13:51
sebsebsebhold onNov 08 13:51
sebsebsebiophk: well  XFCE can gt used in MINT TONov 08 13:52
sebsebsebMin and Mageia?Nov 08 13:52
iophkAgain, how many demo machines can you get?Nov 08 13:52
sebsebseband Open SUse for the cut down OS, whateer he wnated to makeNov 08 13:52
iophkMint and Mageia would be a good compromise maybe.Nov 08 13:52
sebsebsebiophk: I think at least four will come from a Linux compayNov 08 13:52
sebsebsebprobably  more like around six or so thoughNov 08 13:52
sebsebsebthey got some old lap tops they will lend us for the demo machinesNov 08 13:52
iophkProbably a good idea to settle the number of machines, tooNov 08 13:52
sebsebsebiophk: older guy thinks Mint nad Open Suse at the omentNov 08 13:53
iophkThat determines what you can demo.Nov 08 13:53
iophkWhere does he have doubts about Mageia?Nov 08 13:53
sebsebsebiophk: I think he's bee very influenced by the Open Suse guy as wlelNov 08 13:53
sebsebsebiophk: he hasn't even seen Mageia prperly yetNov 08 13:53
sebsebsebto be honestNov 08 13:53
sebsebsebas far a I knowNov 08 13:53
sebsebsebsince  Haen't shown him anything properly yet,  snce I coudnt' just remaster before etcNov 08 13:53
sebsebsebiophk: he's seen Open Suse remaster with KDE and suchNov 08 13:54
iophkOk that sounds like a priority if they are so fixated on remasters.Nov 08 13:54
iophkInsisting on remasters might have been their way of gaming the results of the choice.Nov 08 13:54
sebsebsebanother ide hta'ts been going around is the possibly of haing like three distor's,  Mint for Cinnamon for example,  KDE in Open Suse, GNOME in something elseNov 08 13:55
sebsebsebiophk: also the MInt guy is still in USANov 08 13:55
sebsebsebso won't be at the next meetingNov 08 13:55
sebsebsebso it's four peple doing voting hmmNov 08 13:55
sebsebsebiophk: I suggested bringing someone in from outside ot make things ore fairNov 08 13:55
iophkyesNov 08 13:55
sebsebsebhe   was  like , no I odn't see the point in thatNov 08 13:55
sebsebsebto make the number un evenNov 08 13:56
sebsebsebiophk: he was also like I'll make the casting vote, I was like no I disagreeNov 08 13:56
sebsebsebso later he's like ,  ok we can decide on who makes the casting voteNov 08 13:56
sebsebsebiophk: he also said in a previous recnetish email, that two of us are going to get upset and that's how it is, that's basically he saidNov 08 13:56
sebsebsebI think it's  hm and the Open Suse guy  vs well me and the guy who wanted UbuntuNov 08 13:57
sebsebsebin generalNov 08 13:57
sebsebsebiophk: and I can already see that both Mageia and Ubuntu are probably outNov 08 13:57
sebsebsebunless I can win them over at that meeting some howNov 08 13:57
iophkwork on them before the meeting, too, individuallyNov 08 13:57
sebsebseband  also  importnatly the OS's need to be 3 not 2Nov 08 13:57
sebsebsebwe need to choose on 3 OS's ideally not 2Nov 08 13:57
sebsebsebotherwise Magie and Ubuntu are out for sure probablyNov 08 13:58
sebsebsebiophk: nope I meet them in person net time at the meeting later this monthNov 08 13:58
iophkwhat about correspondence via e-mailNov 08 13:58
iophk?Nov 08 13:58
sebsebsebiophk: really the guy who wanted Ununtu doens't care that muchw hat distros are used really, but in general he thinks ore like meNov 08 13:58
sebsebsebiophk: I saidsomething to him to do with the vote in a email, but got no replyNov 08 13:58
sebsebsebI don't think he cares that much realy as I just putNov 08 13:58
sebsebsebiophk: I made it clear I was aainst the voteNov 08 13:59
sebsebseb,Nov 08 13:59
sebsebsebiophk: ,but it seems it's th way things will go if I a m agianst or notNov 08 13:59
sebsebsebjust got to go along with it nowNov 08 13:59
sebsebsebiophk: I realy didn't like the idea of this whole got a demonstration, and then five minutes to promote the iea, speeche'sNov 08 14:00
SosumiStephen Elop, after crashing Nokia to the ground (baby!) is now positioned as one of the candidates for M$ CEONov 08 14:00
sebsebsebit's just made things distro wars reallyNov 08 14:00
iophkGet them to decide on DEs first.  But you also need to know the number of machines.Nov 08 14:00
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/a-nuance-on-the-burning-platforms-memo-nokia-board-and-nokia-chairman-reprimanded-elop-for-that-mist.htmlNov 08 14:00
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: A Nuance on the Burning Platforms Memo - Nokia Board and Nokia Chairman Reprimanded Elop For That Mistake  [ http://ur1.ca/g046k ]Nov 08 14:00
SosumiBING and xbox to be axedNov 08 14:01
iophkSosumi: JO came down on Elop before he did the 'Burning plaftorm' memoNov 08 14:01
SosumiJO?Nov 08 14:01
sebsebsebSosumi: oh Microsoft are going to stop selling Xbox?Nov 08 14:01
sebsebsebapparnatly they didn't realy make a profit from Xbox anywaylNov 08 14:01
Sosuminop they didn'tNov 08 14:01
Sosumiboth paul allen and ellop want to kill thatNov 08 14:02
sebsebsebiophk: yeah  that's a ointNov 08 14:02
sebsebsebiophk: decide on DE's firstNov 08 14:02
sebsebsebiophk: and we need to know how many demo computers will be thereNov 08 14:02
iophkIt will aslo give you more time do decide on a distro.Nov 08 14:02
Sosumiand actually, it's like I told a couple weeks ago, M$ removed all the microsoft branding out of the xboxNov 08 14:02
iophkYes.  You can't demo 5 DEs if there are 4 machinesNov 08 14:03
sebsebsebiophk: trueNov 08 14:03
Sosumitheir boxes are just green blobs and nothing moreNov 08 14:03
iophkSosumi: M$ branding is a liability.Nov 08 14:03
SosumiyepNov 08 14:03
sebsebsebiophk: I guess I can email them all sayingNov 08 14:03
sebsebsebwe need to know how many demonostration machines there wil beNov 08 14:03
Sosumithat's why they removed itNov 08 14:03
sebsebsebbefore we can make certian choices realy such as what de's and distro'sNov 08 14:03
sebsebsebiophk: it's not goo d eough being told that some company wil provide some computers how anyNov 08 14:04
sebsebsebdo you think that's how I shold do it?Nov 08 14:04
iophkA few key apps ought to be decided too.  They can be on each of the demo machines.Nov 08 14:04
sebsebsebiophk: oh been doing the standard apps thing or pretyt much areadyNov 08 14:04
sebsebsebthe addiotal stuffNov 08 14:04
sebsebsebThunerbird etcNov 08 14:04
sebsebsebJitsiNov 08 14:04
sebsebsebetcNov 08 14:04
iophkokNov 08 14:04
sebsebsebiophk: so you think I should emai finding out oabout how many dedmonostraiotn coputers there will be etc?Nov 08 14:05
sebsebsebtrying to find outNov 08 14:05
iophkyes, that's more important than the distrosNov 08 14:05
sebsebsebyeah trueNov 08 14:05
sebsebsebthen can make decisiosn based on thatNov 08 14:06
sebsebsebas to what distros' and de'sNov 08 14:06
sebsebsebiophk: Importnat how many  demonotration coputer will we haveNov 08 14:06
sebsebsebthinking of a email subject :DNov 08 14:06
sebsebseband how to word that messageNov 08 14:07
sebsebsebonce we know that we can make realstic deisiosn as to what distro's  to have ad interfaces to show.Nov 08 14:07
sebsebsebiophk: maybe we have all gotton a head of our selves  by trying to decide on what de's and interfaces to have, before even knowing for sure how  many emonostriaot pc's there will beNov 08 14:08
sebsebsebiophk: thinking about what I coul say in emai now ^Nov 08 14:09
iophkgtgNov 08 14:12
sebsebsebiophk: ok thanks for your help :)Nov 08 14:12
sebsebsebiophk: bye for now thenNov 08 14:12
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398899406910783488  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398892242171338752   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398887151552978944    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398883572423360512   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398879873105932289Nov 08 14:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bezos-Owned Washington Post No Longer Has Ombudsman, Revolving Doors Plague the FCC Again  http://t.co/FHrtGjoRIL #bezos #washpoNov 08 14:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Bezos-Owned Washington Post No Longer Has Ombudsman, Revolving Doors Plague the FCC Again | TechrightsNov 08 14:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Crisis Capitalism: #BillGates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures http://t.co/JUAMjUqtsGNov 08 14:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Crisis Capitalism: Bill Gates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures | TechrightsNov 08 14:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Free Internet is Dying, and Not Just Due to DRM  http://t.co/jCvT0UXdDg #drm #internet #censorship #facebookNov 08 14:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Free Internet is Dying, and Not Just Due to DRM | TechrightsNov 08 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell http://t.co/fbtYCgCWeg #ubuntu #canonicalNov 08 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell | TechrightsNov 08 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://t.co/NSc2MmUEdO #ubuntu #canonical #privacyNov 08 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars TechnicaNov 08 14:52
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398873564495216641  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398867447258054656   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398863202647543808  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398855343180382208Nov 08 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? http://t.co/Fy4iCkrr4h #gnu #linuxNov 08 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? | TechrightsNov 08 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 17,000 Posts, 7 Years of Techrights, and Imminent Expansion http://t.co/yTo6vRihhr #techrightsNov 08 14:52
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux http://t.co/VBK0B78bje #linux #swpats #microsoftNov 08 14:52
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Mandriva Still a Desktop Powerhouse http://t.co/vSZ3dSDF9F  #mandriva #gnu #linuxNov 08 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Mandriva Still a Desktop Powerhouse | TechrightsNov 08 14:52
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sebsebsebschestowitz__: ok nice Mandriva articleNov 08 15:07
sebsebsebschestowitz__: Mandriva itself is dead as a distributer, but the distro lives on in other wyas yeah, the dervativiesNov 08 15:08
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schestowitz__[10:40] <iophk> " Slashdot Media contributed $3.7 million to revenues in the third quarter of 2013, as compared to $0.8 million in the same period a year ago"Nov 08 15:14
schestowitz__how? PR?Nov 08 15:14
schestowitz__Microsoft ads from MS Nick?Nov 08 15:14
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398904120222154752  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905293674782720  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905468690505728   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905757178937344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905871310131200  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398906766865358848   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398907257380823040Nov 08 15:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Susan will stick around in Tux Machines http://t.co/QkFmEnSeE6 good newsNov 08 15:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tuxmachines.org | This is "See Ya Around" | tuxmachines.orgNov 08 15:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Taxpayers pay to be spied on http://t.co/V4UBjid77j and #amazon (with #washpo owner) helps it happen. #ciaNov 08 15:25
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: So it seems like I was right about companies in losses getting subsidised as expense of national debt for national 'interest'Nov 08 15:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How much in subsidies at taxpayers expense (debt) does #Microsoft get to hand over people's private data and comms? Microsoft ran a loss.Nov 08 15:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Black budgets are still where trillions of dollars come to disappear, with no oversight at all.Nov 08 15:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Tim Berners-Lee calls for international protections for corporations (DRM)... oh, and  whistleblowers http://t.co/qmqQ0TWIlCNov 08 15:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.co.uk | Tim Berners-Lee calls for international protections for whistleblowers (Wired UK)Nov 08 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: After Harassing Swartz, Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz’s ‘Depression Problems’ http://t.co/Bv3qeqsc83 killing him softlyNov 08 15:26
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265341Nov 08 15:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mandriva Still a Desktop PowerhouseNov 08 15:36
schestowitz"Nov 08 15:36
schestowitz@Robin the Boy Wonder, I tried it few months ago.Nov 08 15:36
schestowitzI didn't saw any advantage at all, just a boring distribution with little repositories and very ugly MATE customisation.Nov 08 15:36
schestowitz"Nov 08 15:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3263687Nov 08 15:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "You pay in cash??? What are you, some kind of terrorist or something?"Nov 08 15:37
schestowitz|no, but banks track were you purchase"Nov 08 15:37
schestowitzOnly if you pay with card..Nov 08 15:37
schestowitz@Robin the Boy Wonder, unusable :-/.Nov 08 15:41
schestowitzBut actually I didn't try neither ROSA/Mandriva neither Mageia but did try PCLinuxOS.Nov 08 15:41
schestowitzReply or view Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)'s post >Nov 08 15:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265341Nov 08 15:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636Nov 08 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacyNov 08 15:42
schestowitzJust batting a thousand, aren't we, Canonical? Makes me sick."77"Nov 08 15:42
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schestowitz"The issue isn't whether the government in question is a foreign occupier or not, the issue is whether or not they are violating your rights. Up until 1776, the British government was not a 'foreign' one anyway. The revolution is what made them so."Nov 08 15:43
schestowitzUsing the same logic, Gandhi rose up against him own government and India was part of Britain rather than occupied.Nov 08 15:43
schestowitz*hisNov 08 15:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398912712731676673 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398912845594636289Nov 08 15:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Today in bank, guard diverted me from teller to machine. I told him, you make tellers redundant. He said it was "good for customers". [1/2]Nov 08 15:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: If guards at shops or banks insist you use a machine and not personal service, tell them: your job could be next in the chopping line [2/2]Nov 08 15:44
__martin__first mukt article that sounds like a bad jokeNov 08 15:46
__martin__http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/marvel-creating-superhero-packed-original-series-netflix/15680Nov 08 15:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Marvel creating Superhero-Packed Original Series for Netflix | Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/g04le ]Nov 08 15:46
schestowitzJust passing the tuxmachines domain right now..Nov 08 15:55
schestowitz"Nov 08 15:55
schestowitzHi,Nov 08 15:55
schestowitzI very recently bought a domain name. This domain name is set to expire in June 2014, which is when I will renew it. This domain is currently with godaddy and it's now unlocked, with a code I was given to allow passing it to you or any other domain handler. How much will it cost to transfer to catalyst2 and and will it require no further payments until it expires in June 2014? The nameservers will need to be altered at a later date.Nov 08 15:55
schestowitz"Nov 08 15:55
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3263687Nov 08 15:59
schestowitz"exactly... what I meant was that I don't need to be a terrorist to pay with cash..."Nov 08 15:59
schestowitzWhy do you not want me to enter your home and use your computer? Are you some kind of paedophile? :-)Nov 08 16:00
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266132Nov 08 16:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today in bank, guard diverted me from teller to machine. I told him, you make tellers redundant. He said it was "good for customers". [1/2]Nov 08 16:03
schestowitz"its good for anyone who profits from future transactions between machine and person when things do not quite go as you want. Either the machine withholds your card ......... or the machine refuses to give you your money out. Just thinking back to Cyprus - when the machines would only allow a percentage of peoples money back to them ...... which is similar in so many instances now - when you want to get all of your money back from a Nov 08 16:04
schestowitzbank .......... can you out of a machine ? or do they set a limit ....... Who's money is it ........ ?"Nov 08 16:04
schestowitzFor your own protection of course! The withdrawal limits which were meant to protect you 'from thieves' did not protect you from really big thieves (bankers) in Cyprus.Nov 08 16:04
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lirodonyou heard about how the evil Dice.com is violating the trust of SourceForge users?Nov 08 16:12
MinceRthe owners of source being untrustworthy isn't newNov 08 16:14
MinceRthey've changed names so often it's like they're some m$ subsidiaryNov 08 16:14
MinceRs/source/&forge/Nov 08 16:14
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MinceRhttp://devnull-as-a-service.com/Nov 08 18:05
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DaemonFChttp://sploid.gizmodo.com/russias-national-police-singing-get-lucky-is-hilario-1460832077Nov 08 19:03
TechrightsBot-trsploid.gizmodo.com | Russia's National Police singing Daft Punk's Get Lucky is hilarious  [ http://ur1.ca/g058q ]Nov 08 19:03
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schestowitzlirodon: how?Nov 08 20:03
schestowitzI saw they made more money from ./Nov 08 20:04
schestowitzads and spying perhapsNov 08 20:04
lirodonWell, firstly those stupid "wrapped" installers with borderline malwareNov 08 20:04
schestowitzah, that...Nov 08 20:04
lirodonand their support of those stupid "guess the download button" ads. GIMP's Windows builds got moved in-house http://www.itworld.com/open-source/382088/was-gimp-right-leave-sourceforgeNov 08 20:04
schestowitzany links?Nov 08 20:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.itworld.com | Was the GIMP right to leave SourceForge? | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/g05ek ]Nov 08 20:04
lirodon*moved to in-house hosting (which is a good idea to begin with)Nov 08 20:04
schestowitztaNov 08 20:05
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 08 20:09
DaemonFCI thought that California was supposed to be a liberal state?Nov 08 20:09
DaemonFCIf that's the case, then why is the LARD showing up in riot gear to arrest people for exercising their first amendment right to speak about Walmart's poverty-level wages?Nov 08 20:09
DaemonFC:)Nov 08 20:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DavieChiro/status/398923551580778498Nov 08 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr@DavieChiro: @schestowitz You need to maintain a large balance..that only the bank can use. #BankofAmericaNov 08 20:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DavieChiro/status/398924135734079488Nov 08 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr@DavieChiro: @schestowitz lol. then *roll eyes*Nov 08 20:13
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 08 20:18
DaemonFCThese damned cigarette companies keep sending me coupons. They track how long it has been since you've used any. If it's been within a month, they send you $1 off a pack coupons. If it's been between 1-2 months, they send $1.50 off a pack. If it's been longer than that, they start sending buy one pack, get one free. I can't say that the temptation to start smoking again isn't there, but I've been more or less free of them since March. I do Nov 08 20:18
DaemonFCagree that it's a difficult addiction to fight.Nov 08 20:18
DaemonFCMom has gone crazy and started going to a fundamentalist Christian church. She started blaming _everything_ on demons. Now she's claiming I'm possessed by a demon of nicotine.Nov 08 20:18
DaemonFCDoes it bother anyone else that a person with a nursing degree can have opinions like this?Nov 08 20:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266132Nov 08 20:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today in bank, guard diverted me from teller to machine. I told him, you make tellers redundant. He said it was "good for customers". [1/2]Nov 08 20:20
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SO-RPx9IRcNov 08 20:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | How to Deal With City Hall - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g05gj ]Nov 08 20:20
schestowitz"This really made me laugh, why bother doing over a cash machine, its worthless iou's anyway, bullion is different, would have been better if they emptied the sewage in the foyer LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_fHzHRXn4 'Nov 08 20:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | CCTV shows sewage lorry ram raid on cash machine - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g05gp ]Nov 08 20:21
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266135Nov 08 20:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If guards at shops or banks insist you use a machine and not personal service, tell them: your job could be next in the chopping line [2/2]Nov 08 20:22
schestowitz"Actually, I usually prefer yo use machine, but I was always bit withdrawn - human contact is usually hard, painful and unnecessary, lol. Naaah, j/k ;)"Nov 08 20:22
schestowitzThis request wasn't a simple one, account-to-account transfer... plus withdrawal.Nov 08 20:22
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266065Nov 08 20:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: After Harassing Swartz, Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz’s ‘Depression Problems’ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/11/swartz-foia-november/ killing him softlyNov 08 20:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.com | Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz's 'Depression Problems' | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g01zp ]Nov 08 20:27
schestowitz"Well, well ... no shit, Sherlocks ... everyone would eventually get depressed when charged with ludicrous crap and forced to defend himself. Come on, people, come on ..."Nov 08 20:27
schestowitzThey drove his whole family into needing to remortgage their house to pay legal bills, said Lessig. So they used collective punishment. Many articles overlook this.Nov 08 20:28
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265829Nov 08 20:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Crisis Capitalism: #BillGates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/education-oligarchs/Nov 08 20:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Crisis Capitalism: Bill Gates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05hb ]Nov 08 20:29
schestowitz"It's very sad. Such people should never be allowed to spread the virus of closed-source thinking in an education sector, where everything should be clear and open."Nov 08 20:29
schestowitz"Gates is a small part of whats wrong, what we should be asking ourselves is come the revolution, would we step up and do the right thing."Nov 08 20:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265565Nov 08 20:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/solusos/ #gnu #linuxNov 08 20:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05he ]Nov 08 20:30
schestowitz"Wow, you reminded me about SolusOS ... used to be a nice distro, but it looks like it's dying, eh? money, money, money ..."Nov 08 20:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265441Nov 08 20:30
schestowitzIt's making a lot more than it deserves: http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11 "Nov 08 20:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/fud-campaign-analysts/ #linux #swpats #microsoftNov 08 20:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05hk ]Nov 08 20:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessinsider.com | Microsoft Earns $2 Billion Per Year From Android Patent Royalties - Business Insider  [ http://ur1.ca/g038h ]Nov 08 20:30
schestowitzit's FUD  http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/fud-campaign-analysts/Nov 08 20:32
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265699Nov 08 22:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Free Internet is Dying, and Not Just Due to DRMNov 08 22:51
schestowitz"I was sad to see Tim Berners-Lee endorse DRM in HTML5."Nov 08 22:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Free Internet is Dying, and Not Just Due to DRM | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05gs ]Nov 08 22:51
schestowitz"Nov 08 22:55
schestowitzI have told Rianne to use this E-mail because your yahoo account, like bellsouth, is now rejecting her messages.Nov 08 22:55
schestowitzI hate services that just liberally block anything they don't like; they care not at all about communications, it's not part of their business model.Nov 08 22:55
schestowitz"Nov 08 22:55
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3262558Nov 09 00:14
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: How to write your book using Linux http://opensource.com/life/13/11/how-write-book-with-linuxNov 09 00:14
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | How to write a book using Linux and LibreOffice: The Librarian’s Guide to Academic Research in the Cloud | opensource.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g0650 ]Nov 09 00:14
schestowitz"Yeah, he's using Open Source in a way someone does who was addicted to M$ for years. I commented another post of him and refered to tools like Sphinx. http://www.hasecke.eu/Members/juh/sphinx-a-tool-for-self-publisher"Nov 09 00:14
TechrightsBot-trwww.hasecke.eu | Sphinx: A productivity tool for self publisher — hasecke.eu  [ http://ur1.ca/cya53 ]Nov 09 00:14
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl8w-cMqNfINov 09 00:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Conan The Destroyer - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g06ad ]Nov 09 00:36
Snowleaksange3.5 hrs till first game of chess world champsNov 09 00:49
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P08B_lBUL0ENov 09 05:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Russian police — Get lucky - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g0798 ]Nov 09 05:33
DaemonFChttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/08/comedian-mitch-benn-on-the-link-between-conservatism-and-low-intelligence/Nov 09 06:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.rawstory.com | Comedian Mitch Benn on the link between conservatism and low intelligence | The Raw Story  [ http://ur1.ca/g07dm ]Nov 09 06:04
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schestowitztuxmachines is being migrated nowNov 09 07:11
schestowitzthe domain firstyNov 09 07:11
schestowitz"Nov 09 07:11
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 09 07:11
schestowitz> Nov 09 07:11
schestowitz> I'm about to start the transfer, and I will immediately add theNov 09 07:11
schestowitz> nameservers you provided so that when it switches over it will beNov 09 07:11
schestowitz> pointing to the same location. This should result in no loss of serviceNov 09 07:11
schestowitz> for you.Nov 09 07:11
schestowitz> Nov 09 07:11
schestowitz> Is it okay for me to proceed with this?Nov 09 07:11
schestowitz> Nov 09 07:11
schestowitz> Kind Regards,Nov 09 07:11
schestowitz> ConnorNov 09 07:11
schestowitzOf course. Thanks for keeping me updated.Nov 09 07:11
schestowitz""Nov 09 07:11
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtkNov 09 07:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Klendathu Drop - Starship Troopers Soundtrack - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g07r9 ]Nov 09 07:17
DaemonFCQuote of the day:Nov 09 07:27
DaemonFCJarrett Terrill: "Craigslist is probably the worst place you could try to find a date... unless you're looking for a 60 year-old man in women's underwear who wants to be pissed on... LOL"Nov 09 07:28
DaemonFChttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Accuses-Criticizing-Website-of-Trademark-Infringement-398261.shtmlNov 09 07:36
TechrightsBot-trnews.softpedia.com | Canonical Accuses Criticizing Website of Trademark Infringement  [ http://ur1.ca/g07uj ]Nov 09 07:36
DaemonFCKDE 4.11.3 seems to work fine.Nov 09 07:38
DaemonFCI haven't experienced any bugs so far.Nov 09 07:38
DaemonFCIt is a long term support release, so it should get a lot of updates. (Two years)Nov 09 07:39
DaemonFCI don't know why they declared that for 4.11 and then decided to release a 4.12.Nov 09 07:39
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DaemonFCShouldn't the last major release of the KDE 4 series be the LTS?Nov 09 07:39
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Sosumione of my dumbass teachers forced us into using a docx filled with all sort of macros to submit a couple of relatoriesNov 09 08:58
Sosumiwhich don't translate that well into libreofficeNov 09 08:59
Sosumiso yeah, I'm loving itNov 09 08:59
Sosumibtw, it's also the same guy who forced us (I didn't bend over) into using facebook for course coordinationNov 09 09:02
SosumiI actually think, in a matter of speaking, that they only forced students into facebook in order to snoop on themNov 09 09:06
Sosumisince I've caught another teacher saying the those "likes" on the course page and subsquest interaction provided a nice stream of cashNov 09 09:07
Sosumiso they're probably the info gathered for sociological studies type studies and alikes as well for the effects of publicityNov 09 09:08
Sosumidid I mention that they log all internet activity associated with the student ID?Nov 09 09:09
SosumiI actually got called to attention to stop using a VPN while using the university wifi networkNov 09 09:10
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XFaCEschestowitz: "In 2009, Jane Silber became the CEO of Canonical in 2009. Canonical makes Ubuntu.Nov 09 09:43
XFaCEJane Silber's previous job was at that military contractor, namely the C4 Division of General Dynamics. It turns out that at the C4 Systems division is all about using computers for spying."Nov 09 09:43
XFaCEschestowitz: I think you wrote about this beforeNov 09 09:43
XFaCEhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131107/17583725174/disappointing-to-see-canonical-act-like-trademark-bully-over-ubuntu.shtml#c83Nov 09 09:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.techdirt.com | Disappointing To See Canonical Act Like A Trademark Bully Over Ubuntu | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g08c7 ]Nov 09 09:44
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/sony-adds-some-freebies-to-ps4-launch-packages/Nov 09 09:59
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Sony adds some freebies to PS4 launch packages | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g08e8 ]Nov 09 09:59
Sosuminow you see why the PS4 doesn't support cd and mp3 playbackNov 09 09:59
Sosumi"music unlimited" and "streaming"Nov 09 09:59
Sosumizee powa of zee cloudNov 09 10:00
Sosumior how we strip you out of ownershipNov 09 10:00
Sosumior how we infected your PCs with dumb drmNov 09 10:00
Sosumisony, lawlNov 09 10:00
Sosumilinux and osx could circunvent that without lifting a finger anywaysNov 09 10:02
Sosumithe cd would show up as two, one part containing data and another containing music filesNov 09 10:03
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Sosuminvidia cutting support for 32bit linuxNov 09 10:24
Sosumiand Iran nuclear deal will certainly failNov 09 10:24
Sosumibecause of israhell, as usualNov 09 10:25
Sosumibut actuallyNov 09 10:25
SosumiUS should defend and Syria from Israel, shooting down Israeli airplanes, missiles, etcNov 09 10:26
Sosumikind of a like a reverse USS LibertyNov 09 10:26
Sosumiand then when the time is right, pit Iran against china and russia by cutting energy corridorsNov 09 10:27
Sosumikind of like a venician type operation of letting others fight for youNov 09 10:28
Sosumithat'd be an intelligent way to fulfill the PNAC planNov 09 10:29
Sosumi*typo, it's venitianNov 09 10:29
Sosumi**venetian :)Nov 09 10:30
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iophkOIN can't actually do anything about patent trolls.Nov 09 11:17
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/4-ways-open-source-protects-you-against-software-patents-230433Nov 09 11:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | 4 ways open source protects you against software patents | Open Source Software - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g08r2 ]Nov 09 11:17
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iophkhttp://opensource.com/life/13/11/dave-crossland-history-future-open-source-fontsNov 09 11:43
TechrightsBot-tropensource.com | Open source and free software fonts, interview with Dave Crossland | opensource.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g08v2 ]Nov 09 11:43
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/dutch-cyber-security-centre-linux-suitable-businessesNov 09 11:44
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | Dutch cyber security centre: Linux suitable for businesses | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/g08vc ]Nov 09 11:44
iophk"On 30 October, the centre, part of the Ministry of Security and Justice,  published a 'Factsheet' urging users of this aged system to switch"Nov 09 11:45
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sebsebsebiophk: Guess what I plan too do today, quite soon in factNov 09 13:07
iophk?Nov 09 13:07
iophkdemo Mageia?Nov 09 13:08
sebsebsebiophk: uh what noNov 09 13:11
sebsebsebI use MageiaNov 09 13:11
sebsebsebso why woud I demo it?Nov 09 13:11
iophkFor other people to see it and decide to use it.Nov 09 13:12
sebsebsebiophk: no that meeting is  not untill 19thNov 09 13:16
sebsebsebiophk: got to get Mageia 4 BEta 1 out firt to, then the guy who makes the proper ISOs' will make me remasters it seesNov 09 13:16
sebsebsebMaeia 4 Beta 1 currently being delayed, since they are sorting out installer bugs and such early this this time round, or maybe not so much early, but whe nit should be done realyNov 09 13:17
sebsebsebas in before an RCNov 09 13:17
iophkcool that he's helpingNov 09 13:17
sebsebsebthere's a Beta 2 yet as wlelNov 09 13:17
sebsebsebiophk: no voluntere for jitsi thoughNov 09 13:17
sebsebsebnot  on the ailing list anyway,  not sure if he wants to packae that so hmmNov 09 13:17
sebsebsebiophk: semes the remsaterng wiki page is good now anyway, but sure may as wel have him doing it  I guessNov 09 13:17
sebsebsebjust need to tell hm what I Want in the ISO's and suchNov 09 13:17
sebsebsebiophk: so what a m I thinking of doing?Nov 09 13:18
iophk?525ebbe79e56fcb476a3f254706dbe54cc0c38265f0e31edcb8086debf1a22Nov 09 13:18
sebsebsebhmmNov 09 13:20
sebsebsebiophk: to check for a correct md5sum or sha1sum?Nov 09 13:20
sebsebsebuhmm sureNov 09 13:20
sebsebsebthat's part of it reallyNov 09 13:20
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sebsebsebiophk: so what is it?Nov 09 13:21
iophksha256Nov 09 13:21
sebsebsebyeah might be checkin for that toNov 09 13:21
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sebsebsebsince  just going to test somethingNov 09 13:21
sebsebsebdon't really need to do such checks as such, but may as wellNov 09 13:21
sebsebsebtest what? and in what?Nov 09 13:21
iophkmake sure it is wholeNov 09 13:21
sebsebsebmake sure wat is whole?Nov 09 13:22
iophkwhat ever you are working onNov 09 13:22
sebsebsebschestowitz wil love eNov 09 13:22
sebsebsebmeNov 09 13:22
sebsebseb!Nov 09 13:22
sebsebsebI am going to test out properly Open Suse in Virtualbox that's my plan!Nov 09 13:22
iophkWaste of time...Nov 09 13:22
sebsebsebeven put on my Open Suse t-shirt from FOSDEM 2012 earlier,  with this in  mindNov 09 13:22
sebsebsebiophk: no it's notNov 09 13:22
sebsebsebiophk: remember I have to tell them why Mageia would be better than Open SseNov 09 13:22
sebsebsebor so it seemsNov 09 13:23
iophkI seeNov 09 13:23
iophkhttp://techrights.org/category/opensuse/Nov 09 13:23
sebsebsebso if I test out Open Suse properly out in Virtualbox,  I can see if there's anything that  would make it more of a winnerNov 09 13:23
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | OpenSUSE | TechrightsNov 09 13:23
sebsebseband the whole Microsoft link and all thatNov 09 13:23
sebsebsebwll be irelivent for this by the wayNov 09 13:23
iophkThere are some other good links from the developers that left Novell in protest.Nov 09 13:24
iophkThey sum up that aspect.Nov 09 13:24
sebsebsebI don't think they wil care about stuff like thatNov 09 13:24
sebsebsebmost of themNov 09 13:24
sebsebsebthey just want a good distro and de for people going from WIndowsNov 09 13:24
iophkfreedom is a good thing.Nov 09 13:24
sebsebsebthey do't care about the moral stuff and history stuf I don't think much for this eventNov 09 13:24
iophkThere's also the money stuff.Nov 09 13:25
iophkPatents cost when the owners decide to collect.Nov 09 13:25
iophkThere's no time limit they have to beat.Nov 09 13:25
iophkLook at what happened with GIF, among others.Nov 09 13:25
sebsebsebI don't think they will care about thatNov 09 13:25
sebsebsebthey just want distro's that are good fo joe and jane averageNov 09 13:25
iophkThe Novell stuff is worse, since there is a paper trail of payments already.Nov 09 13:26
sebsebsebiophk: I don't think they care that maybe not really meant to pre install SKype into the  re master as wellNov 09 13:26
sebsebseband Flash for that matterNov 09 13:26
iophkIf Jitsi is not possible, you could try Linphone  Nov 09 13:26
iophkI think schestowitz has experience with that one.Nov 09 13:27
sebsebsebiophk: if he gets the votes for making the thing for old computers or whatever it wasNov 09 13:27
MinceRsuse is crap, always wasNov 09 13:27
sebsebsebiophk: I think he will make smething baed on Open UseNov 09 13:27
sebsebsebMinceR: right well you  go tell these event peole that isn't good and why  hmmNov 09 13:27
sebsebsebMageia is out for Open SuseNov 09 13:27
MinceRalso, joe and jane average can be sued, and the people providing them with updates can also be suedNov 09 13:27
sebsebsebunless I can win them overNov 09 13:28
iophkYes that is a point, with the patents, the end users are on the hook for the payments, if the owner decides to collect.Nov 09 13:28
sebsebsebMinceR: you think Skype and such shodun't be pre installed?Nov 09 13:28
MinceRi think skype should never be installedNov 09 13:28
sebsebsebiophk: no patents in UK as far as I knowNov 09 13:28
MinceRthe only argument for skype ever was people failing to configure their routers properlyNov 09 13:28
sebsebsebMinceR: you think Flash should be installed?Nov 09 13:28
iophkOr in the EU, but there are companies that still pay anywayNov 09 13:29
MinceRTrash could be handy, but it's best quarantined to a browser profile of its ownNov 09 13:29
sebsebsebiophk: I think still not really meant to put Flash and Skype into a remaster though,  alotugh I guess remasters are a bbit diffenret to the actsual distro'sNov 09 13:29
MinceRso you don't get background audio from every random tab and it doesn't get to eat your cpuNov 09 13:29
sebsebsebiophk: ,but hte distros them seles aren't allowed to provide Skype or Flash from the repo's,  they can provide a packae that directly downloads from Skype  or Adobe thoughNov 09 13:29
MinceRalso, trash cookies could endanger your privacyNov 09 13:30
sebsebsebiophk: thing is no Youtube working etc,  Average Joe and Jane will think Linux sucksNov 09 13:30
iophkPutting them on a remaster might be dodgy tooNov 09 13:30
MinceRalso, i have a trash killer scriptNov 09 13:30
sebsebsebiophk: yep that's what I meanNov 09 13:30
iophkYoutube works fine with the flash to html pluginNov 09 13:30
iophkin FirefoxNov 09 13:30
MinceRaverage joe and jane weren't it experts before, either :>Nov 09 13:30
sebsebsebiophk: they use more than just Youtube though avverage pepleNov 09 13:30
sebsebsebMinceR: what's that?Nov 09 13:30
MinceRalso, trash videos work better on my GNU/Linux tablet pc with an intel gpu than they do on winblowsNov 09 13:31
MinceRsebsebseb: what's what?Nov 09 13:31
sebsebsebwhat you just putNov 09 13:31
iophkhttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/Nov 09 13:31
TechrightsBot-traddons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox  [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ]Nov 09 13:31
iophkWorks for meNov 09 13:31
MinceRsebsebseb: where?Nov 09 13:31
sebsebseb[18:30] <MinceR> average joe and jane weren't it experts before, either :>Nov 09 13:31
MinceRyou said they thought linux suckedNov 09 13:32
sebsebsebI didn't understandNov 09 13:32
MinceRi wouldn't ask them for IT adviceNov 09 13:32
sebsebsebMinceR: they will if Flash and such doesn't just worNov 09 13:32
sebsebsebMinceR: organisng an eent aimed at Average Joe and JaneNov 09 13:32
sebsebsebto try and get them intereted in Linux etcNov 09 13:32
MinceRthen again, if they enjoy being interrupted every 5 minutes with pointless crap, they can use winblowsNov 09 13:32
MinceRor write a script that throws up random pointless popups that steal focus :>Nov 09 13:32
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-09/bitcoin-touches-400-senate-starts-asking-questions-does-fedNov 09 13:32
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | As BitCoin Touches $400 The Senate Starts Seeking Answers... As Does The Fed | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g09ca ]Nov 09 13:32
iophkYes, security is an advantage of Linux.  If you install Flash, you defeat a lot of that advantage.Nov 09 13:33
MinceRlast time i plugged a winblows laptop into a docking station, i spend about 2 hours clicking through driver installsNov 09 13:33
MinceRit installed everything at least twiceNov 09 13:33
MinceR(most of them unnecessarily, like standard usb hubs and HIDs)Nov 09 13:33
MinceRs/spend/spent/Nov 09 13:33
MinceRoh, and it gave me a popup that it would like to reboot every hourNov 09 13:34
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MinceRat least there are free implementations for Trash and none of them need communication with random hosts in closed protocolsNov 09 13:51
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iophksebsebseb: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061221081000710Nov 09 14:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Jeremy Allison Has Resigned from Novell  to Protest  MS Patent Deal  [ http://ur1.ca/ffk3u ]Nov 09 14:23
iophkjust in caseNov 09 14:23
iophkYou can probably disqualify it on technical merits too.Nov 09 14:24
sebsebsebiophk: I don't knowNov 09 14:24
sebsebsebiophk: yast is a control centre type thingNov 09 14:24
sebsebsebas wellNov 09 14:24
sebsebsebiophk: I think Magiea 4 will get a later KDE point relase thoughNov 09 14:25
sebsebsebsince when version freeze is and suchNov 09 14:25
sebsebsebso for a later KDE  Magiea has the later oneNov 09 14:25
sebsebsebiophk: Open Suse 13.1 in 9 daysNov 09 14:25
sebsebsebI am going to give development a try in VirtualboxNov 09 14:25
iophkyum is going away, starting with Fedora, but probably spreading to other distros over timeNov 09 14:26
iophkhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ2MzENov 09 14:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] DNF Package Manager Yum-Replacement Moves Ahead  [ http://ur1.ca/g09nd ]Nov 09 14:26
sebsebsebiophk: I said yast not yumNov 09 14:27
sebsebsebnot sure what the command is to install stuff for OPen SUseNov 09 14:27
sebsebsebiophk: control centre is also getting a GNOME replacementNov 09 14:27
sebsebsebupstreamNov 09 14:27
sebsebsebI meanNov 09 14:27
sebsebsebsoftware centreNov 09 14:27
sebsebsebiophk: I have a feeling it might end up being something like this,  Mint for Cinnamon,  Open Suse, for KDENov 09 14:27
sebsebsebiophk: Mageia for GNOME 3 GNOME ShellNov 09 14:27
iophkGnome is over.Nov 09 14:27
sebsebsebit seems it isn't so simple to just win both  KDE and GNOMENov 09 14:28
sebsebsebfor this eventNov 09 14:28
iophkKDE on Mageia would be best if you can pull it off.Nov 09 14:28
sebsebsebiophk: I think lookswise it might ook nicer hte background in Open SuseNov 09 14:28
sebsebseb,but no idea what the background will be for Mageia 4 yetNov 09 14:28
sebsebsebiophk: he's used Suse for iek 10 yars or soNov 09 14:28
iophkWhy not set your own background image?Nov 09 14:28
sebsebsebhe seems techicalNov 09 14:28
sebsebsebhe's won the event co ordinater over already it seemsNov 09 14:29
iophk:(Nov 09 14:29
sebsebseband not sure how others will vote etcNov 09 14:29
sebsebsebiophk: I think Mageia may get voted out as I kept on saying thoughNov 09 14:29
sebsebsebunless I can win them over on the 19th hmmNov 09 14:29
iophkIt seems stupid to vote, that seems like politicsNov 09 14:29
sebsebsebindeedNov 09 14:29
sebsebseband everyone is baiesd to their own thingNov 09 14:29
sebsebsebwhat they think they watNov 09 14:29
sebsebsebevent co ordinater wants Mint really as well he's mad that clear all alongNov 09 14:30
iophkHow did it go to bring up deciding on the DEs first?Nov 09 14:30
sebsebsebthe guy who wants mInt wants mint etcNov 09 14:30
sebsebsebiophk: nearly sent a email suggesting that, but no Nov 09 14:30
sebsebsebit won't relay workNov 09 14:30
sebsebsebiophk: it's the vote now and that's itNov 09 14:30
sebsebsebcan't do a email voteNov 09 14:30
sebsebsebthingNov 09 14:30
sebsebsebon iterfaces first, seems it won't workNov 09 14:30
sebsebsebiophk: what they want to do is have a distro, and put a interface with itNov 09 14:30
sebsebsebor have a interface and put a distro with itNov 09 14:31
sebsebsebseems one distro may get used per choosen interface as wellNov 09 14:31
sebsebsebiophk: I may lose KDE to OPen Suse, but I may be able to win GNOME 3  GNOME Shell for MageiaNov 09 14:31
iophkmaybe start your own event?Nov 09 14:31
sebsebsebto late nowNov 09 14:31
sebsebsebwho wil join me?Nov 09 14:31
iophkothers not in this eventNov 09 14:32
iophkit's not going to be an installfest now anywayNov 09 14:32
sebsebsebiophk: maybe I can win some people over at my speakers group to Mageia etc ovver time :)Nov 09 14:32
iophkif you run an installfest, you can make a plan and then shop that plan around to people that are willing to participate in *that* planNov 09 14:32
sebsebsebalready showed  someone whenever it was etcNov 09 14:32
sebsebsebiophk: the indea of doing loads of installs is out since only got six hours for the eventNov 09 14:33
sebsebsebidea aboveNov 09 14:33
sebsebsebiophk: maybe in a way going from Windows to Open Suse, is a bit like going from Microsoft to Microsoft, well going by you guys anyway that is, but I guess still better than running WIndows itselfNov 09 14:33
sebsebsebI mean it's still a Linux distribution with  KDE and GNOME and what notNov 09 14:34
iophkit's a least desirable pathNov 09 14:34
sebsebsebhmm?Nov 09 14:34
iophkWhy always mentioning GNOME, it's gone.Nov 09 14:34
sebsebsebno it's notNov 09 14:34
sebsebsebI prefer GNOMENov 09 14:34
sebsebsebGNOME  Shell is my choosen interfaceNov 09 14:34
iophkPeople have moved to Cinnamon, Mate and XFCENov 09 14:34
sebsebseband yes even in Mageia a distro that is seen as rather well KDE fousseddistroNov 09 14:34
sebsebsebKDE by defauet etcNov 09 14:35
iophkKDE should be showcasedNov 09 14:35
sebsebsebhowever I am using raqor qt quite a lot on this lap top more recently, since major slowness issues here and there on this netbook with GNOMENov 09 14:35
iophkIMHO also XFCE and UnityNov 09 14:35
sebsebsebiophk: Unity is out probbably a wlel as I already saidNov 09 14:35
sebsebseband his custom  thing for old computers if he gets his way, I guess will be something Open Suse basd with XFCE or whateverNov 09 14:36
iophkMint is just a copy of Ubuntu without Mint.  Better to stay upstream.Nov 09 14:36
iophkAlways stay upstream when possible.Nov 09 14:36
sebsebsebMint is just Ubuntu really yeah I knowNov 09 14:36
sebsebsebwith the except of Cinnamon as interfaceNov 09 14:36
sebsebsebnd Mate and a few toolsNov 09 14:36
sebsebsebiophk: realy it's like we got Ubuntu twiceNov 09 14:36
sebsebsebexcept some differneces when it comes to interface and that's about itNov 09 14:36
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iophk75 yearsNov 09 15:04
iophkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KristallnachtNov 09 15:04
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Kristallnacht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/g04t6 ]Nov 09 15:04
iophkhttp://phys.org/news/2013-11-open-source-lens-microscope.htmlNov 09 15:06
TechrightsBot-trphys.org | Open-source through the lens of a microscope  [ http://ur1.ca/g09x5 ]Nov 09 15:06
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SosumiAMD puts an bandaid on the r290Nov 09 16:12
Sosumibut that does nothing with the binningsNov 09 16:13
Sosumiso far review units > saphire builds > asus buildsNov 09 16:13
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer "I like my beer cold...my TV loud...and my homosexuals flaming." --Homer SimpsonNov 09 20:07
DaemonFCRyan Farmer That's another thing we desperately need to evict from the Democratic Party. Copyright lobbyists. If Biden and his buddies had their way, we'd have "forever minus one day" already. It's bad enough that their jackbooted thugs are stealing websites and harassing people like Kim Dotcom and Aaron Swartz. This copyright monster has only been getting worse since the DMCA was passed.Nov 09 20:19
DaemonFCRyan FarmerNov 09 20:40
DaemonFC26 seconds ago · EditedNov 09 20:40
DaemonFCNot only is AXE body spray not a shower in a can, it creates an overpowering stench all by itself. It's like spraying yourself down with urinal cake.Nov 09 20:40
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3268274Nov 09 22:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Upgrading on a budget: Running Linux on a refurbished laptop and docking station http://www.zdnet.com/upgrading-on-a-budget-running-linux-on-a-refurbished-laptop-and-docking-station-7000022747/ #gnu #linuxNov 09 22:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.zdnet.com | Upgrading on a budget: Running Linux on a refurbished laptop and docking station | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g0brh ]Nov 09 22:24
schestowitz" Nov 09 22:24
schestowitzYes, that's how I bought my last two laptops and docking stations rock. He's going to love discovering that you can attach and detatch without rebooting and have all the hardware recognized. My docking station has a button for detatch that sends the OS a signal, but attach is as easy as opening the laptop to wake it up from sleep and cramming it on. KRandRtray does a good job of managing screens and KDE is supposed to remember your Nov 09 22:24
schestowitzpreferences for particular external monitors. Docking stations are something I only really started using and appreciating when I took my current job that requires me to migrate between two offices. They worked for my X30 and for my X61s.Nov 09 22:24
schestowitzhttp://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/desktop/2011_08_19-saving_the_right_deskspace/index.html http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/desktop/2012_01_23-e16_multi_monitor_howto/index.html http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_11_04-krandrtray-left_hand_big_screen/Nov 09 22:24
TechrightsBot-tr173.20.223.180 | Tall Screen  [ http://ur1.ca/g0brk ]Nov 09 22:24
schestowitz "Nov 09 22:24
TechrightsBot-tr173.20.223.180 | Multiple Monitors with E16 in Wheezy  [ http://ur1.ca/g0brl ]Nov 09 22:24
TechrightsBot-tr173.20.223.180 | Index of pictures  [ http://ur1.ca/g0brm ]Nov 09 22:24
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3206441Nov 09 22:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Introducing Kwheezy 1.2 http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20131021#feature #kde #kwheezy #gnu #linuxNov 09 22:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.  [ http://ur1.ca/fxlgs ]Nov 09 22:25
schestowitz'Kwheezy didn't work for me on Hp notebook."Nov 09 22:25
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iophk1http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/01/nsa-data-collection-tech-firms&nick iphkNov 03 07:34
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/01/nsa-data-collection-tech-firms&nick )Nov 03 07:34
iophk1 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/01/nsa-data-collection-tech-firmsNov 03 07:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Snowden document reveals key role of companies in NSA data collection | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fz8i8 ]Nov 03 07:34
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iophkhttp://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/10/if-teens-dont-think-facebook-is-cool-anymore-should-facebook-worry/281058/Nov 03 09:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.theatlantic.com | If Teens Don't Think Facebook Is Cool Anymore, Should Facebook Worry? - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic  [ http://ur1.ca/fz93b ]Nov 03 09:48
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3232952Nov 03 10:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a WarrantNov 03 10:22
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fyv3k ]Nov 03 10:22
schestowitzAnyway, if one is to use a system with proprietary bits, I would at least recommend using one made by a company that isn't a founding member of PRISM..."77"Nov 03 10:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396936774158909441  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396937112446316544  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396937333469380608  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396938015333175296  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396938832639430656Nov 03 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: It sure seems like debate about long-term health effects of xG wireless connections sidelined not b/c it's OK but b/c smartphones Net='cool'Nov 03 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Companionship for technophiles http://t.co/dqxrnnPFQkNov 03 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: In David Miranda’s Case, UK Security Services Argue Traveling with Secret Documents Is ‘Terrorism’ (def' expanded) http://t.co/e4pLaPs4PLNov 03 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> dissenter.firedoglake.com | In David Miranda’s Case, UK Security Services Argue Traveling with Secret Documents Is ‘Terrorism’  |  The DissenterNov 03 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Inspired by Snowden, more #NSA insiders are blowing the whistle http://t.co/7W8bYiVr4V maybe they know what whistleblowing meansNov 03 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> boingboing.net | Inspired by Snowden, more NSA insiders are blowing the whistle - Boing BoingNov 03 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Perhaps #snowden is becoming the real-life Guy Fawkes, the anonymous persona through which anonymous leakers claim leaks to have come fromNov 03 10:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396939480479059968  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396939918989357056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396942134441693184  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396942945712361472Nov 03 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: What US DOJ whistleblower is saying suggests that the #nsa now has unknown leakers, i.e. sort of moles, in its staff http://t.co/uZFzuOeIbMNov 03 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> abcnews.go.com | More NSA Leakers Followed Snowden’s Footsteps, Whistleblower Lawyer Says - ABC NewsNov 03 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #NSA learns (just like the CIA) that cracking down on leakers is counter-productive http://t.co/033lSmjxJ9 http://t.co/2sgPinAhtINov 03 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> rt.com | Leaked: CIA aims crackdown on leaks inside CIA — RT USANov 03 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.slate.com | CIA leaks: Leaked agency memo tells agents to stop leaking information to the media.Nov 03 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #nsa has acknowledges that #Microsoft #PowerPoint helped Snowden copy docs, nobody knows which. Any leak "must have come from Snowden!"Nov 03 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The only approach for #nsa to reveal other leakers by is the "Cheney approach": WATERBOARD Miranda, Raddack, Thomas, Binney, Appelbaum....Nov 03 10:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396943702792630272  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396945790478065664  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396946817843466240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396947164473344000Nov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: I always knew our politicians were cold-hearted, but for crying out loud, how much are they heating them up? http://t.co/oBtsWAyNZRNov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.itv.com | MPs' '200k energy bill expenses' - ITV NewsNov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: '"We did see a decrease in daily users, specifically among younger teens," Facebook acknowledged.' http://t.co/P9qi7PQUA7Nov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Facebook: perfect solution. Taxpayers provide information on themselves and other taxpayers, at taxpayers' own expense (time). #nsa #fbNov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The government should worry about Facebook's declining 'approval rate'. Should advertise on TV. Think about the children! They stop spying.Nov 03 10:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396947575150227456  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396947889739812865  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396948113921150976   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396949001435906048    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396949718757957633Nov 03 10:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: I know young people (teenage/younger) that upload photos from inside homes of privacy-seeking (grand)parents who complain but can't stop itNov 03 10:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Facebook is turning generations of young (loved) people who essentially act like Trojan horses or informants on family and friends. [1/2]Nov 03 10:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: People hardly need #facerec #geotag #connections to recognise their friends and where they go. This 'metadata' serves strangers/spies [2/2]Nov 03 10:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Does Apple hope to get government favours (or subsidies) by advancing the dangerous concept of phones (GPS) with un-detachable batteries?Nov 03 10:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Overzealous spying on taxpayers with subsidies from taxpayers (or taxpayers' ever-growing national debt)is getting hard to sell to taxpayersNov 03 10:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/tutorkag/status/396948395538915329Nov 03 10:40
TechrightsBot-tr@tutorkag: @schestowitz Zuck fucks plan? Dunno...where ta fuck it gonna go? One's know...hahaNov 03 10:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/avriette/status/396949700802539520Nov 03 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@avriette: @schestowitz only, like, without the blowing-up-government-buildings part, right? Or did you mean the inane masks thing?Nov 03 10:41
schestowitzThe masks of course :-)Nov 03 10:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3229526Nov 03 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "First migrants and recent immigrants were rounded up from Greece's streets and forced into internment camps" http://act.watchdog.net/petitions/3322?l=517X7hH_L6QNov 03 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> act.watchdog.net | Tell EU Member States: Save Greek "undesirables" from internment camps!  [ http://ur1.ca/fyo4t ]Nov 03 10:42
schestowitz"Hmmm... so if, simplistically, it was a combination of a high number of interned people with extreme financial hardship, then it will be interesting to see what finally happens when the world nations finally lose faith in the ever inflating US dollar a few years down the line, especially when all their current spying tech presumably lets the government discover all kinds of new classes of "dissidents" quickly and easily. The real Nov 03 10:43
schestowitzquestion is, will things like the public reaction to the ongoing release of Edward Snowdens documents do anything to change the current direction of more spying, more martial law? Interesting times, indeed."Nov 03 10:43
schestowitzI reckon the rich people will continue to flee countries in trouble and find haven in other greedy nations that want their spendings (not tax, they use tax havens); they'll just hop from place to place like Russian oligarchs and set up gov. structures like NSA to go after protesters... I mean, terrorists.Nov 03 10:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/avriette/status/396951032527605760Nov 03 10:45
TechrightsBot-tr@avriette: @schestowitz I wonder, not infrequently, whether people understand the symbolism they invoke so casually.Nov 03 10:45
schestowitzI wondered that too, But words and names change with connotation. Examples: the names Napoleon, Columbus; The word hacker.Nov 03 10:46
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/avriette/status/396952153308536832Nov 03 10:50
TechrightsBot-tr@avriette: @schestowitz true enough. Perhaps I just choose to indulge in a little get-off-my-lawn-ing.Nov 03 10:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396954788350664704  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396955683050225664  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396962460437336064  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396964848191676416Nov 03 11:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Metropolitan police detained #DavidMiranda for promoting 'political' causes http://t.co/SFc4fMYmP2 #uk #policestate #politicsNov 03 11:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Metropolitan police detained David Miranda for promoting 'political' causes | World news | The ObserverNov 03 11:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "UK govt beats its mighty chest, now explicitly equates journalism with 'terrorism' and 'espionage'." http://t.co/SFc4fMYmP2Nov 03 11:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Tolokonnikova has complained of abuses by the prison staff in Mordovia." http://t.co/ULUqflaOin now disappeared. #russiaNov 03 11:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Pussy Riot: Tolokonnikova 'out of sight' since jail moveNov 03 11:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Rich people couldn't care less s http://t.co/qc3Wrpn9E4 "people with less money are better at.. a measure called empathy accuracy."Nov 03 11:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.smh.com.au | Rich people couldn't care lessNov 03 11:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/396970010557440000Nov 03 12:02
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz interesting, either the link was broken, or the article...removed.Nov 03 12:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396966793346301952  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396967611072012288  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396968109112053761  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396968421914857473  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396969534172971008  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396970249406656512Nov 03 12:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Teacher arrested for possession of math https://t.co/oU7mkjkmnxNov 03 12:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Shackles for young adults http://t.co/laxKCbPTjC scary stuffNov 03 12:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Russian prison service says Nadezhda Tolokonnikova has been moved"    http://t.co/Ne8CzNzRS6 In Russia, hungry get YOUNov 03 12:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Pussy Riot band member sent to new prison | World news | theguardian.comNov 03 12:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Economic fears persist" http://t.co/Nx1fHc1qaO classy!Nov 03 12:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Documents reveal NSA’s extensive involvement in targeted killing program http://t.co/eiokMaQa9t #nsa #cia #drones #assassinationNov 03 12:03
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/documents-reveal-nsas-extensive-involvement-in-targeted-killing-program/2013/10/16/29775278-3674-11e3-8a0e- )Nov 03 12:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Wealth http://t.co/hsd8o2ITVQNov 03 12:03
MinceRgeekingsNov 03 12:50
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Nov 03 15:13
DaemonFCa few seconds agoNov 03 15:13
DaemonFChttp://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/10/05/us-usa-healthcare-technology-analysis-idUKBRE99407T20131005Nov 03 15:13
TechrightsBot-truk.reuters.com | Analysis: IT experts question architecture of Obamacare website | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/fzahk ]Nov 03 15:13
DaemonFCSomeone finally noticed that it takes a lot of Shims to make Monoposoft Internet Exploder render standards-compliant code.Nov 03 15:13
iophkJust have them download Firefox, Opera or Chromium instead.  It will cost the country less both on the web site and in malware as they use the browsers elsewhere.Nov 03 15:18
DaemonFCWell, I think that the W3C should be disbanded and that Gecko should be the de facto standard.Nov 03 15:36
DaemonFCIt would be better than what's coming out of the W3C lately.Nov 03 15:36
DaemonFCNow we've got them telling us that DRM is a web standard even though nobody is allowed to know how it works.Nov 03 15:37
DaemonFC:)Nov 03 15:37
MinceRi'm not so sure of gecko now that mozilla is promoting h.264Nov 03 16:43
MinceRlooks like the community will have to start the whole web fight all over againNov 03 16:43
MinceRbuild open standards and build free browsers that support hemNov 03 16:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244091Nov 03 16:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Tolokonnikova has complained of abuses by the prison staff in Mordovia." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24786119 now disappeared. #russiaNov 03 16:47
schestowitz"Mordor... uuh read that wrong."Nov 03 16:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244187Nov 03 16:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Documents reveal NSA’s extensive involvement in targeted killing program http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/documents-reveal-nsas-extensive-involvement-in-targeted-killing-program/2013/10/16/29775278-3674-11e3-8a0e- #nsa #cia #drones #assassinationNov 03 16:48
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/documents-reveal-nsas-extensive-involvement-in-targeted-killing-program/2013/10/16/29775278-3674-11e3-8a0e-4e2cf80831fc_story.htmlNov 03 16:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Documents reveal NSA’s extensive involvement in targeted killing program - The Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/fzawt ]Nov 03 16:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244195Nov 03 16:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: [![Image](http://i.imgur.com/7YPxUNg.gif)]()<br>**Star wars style!!** <br>[]()<br><br><br>#geek - <br><br>Nov 03 16:48
schestowitzNever liked Star Wars."77"Nov 03 16:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244184Nov 03 16:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: tastes just like chicken...Nov 03 16:49
schestowitz"Gross"Nov 03 16:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244144Nov 03 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: implement maximum wage, now...Nov 03 16:50
schestowitz"we can afford a living in dignity for all - but we cannot afford the rich anymore..."Nov 03 16:50
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244095Nov 03 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: parking for turtles only...Nov 03 16:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3243969Nov 03 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: nudist on strike...Nov 03 16:51
schestowitzNeat!Nov 03 16:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244183Nov 03 16:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #agorism not revolutionNov 03 16:52
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schestowitz"Next .........."Nov 03 16:53
DaemonFCschestowitz: I never did understand why people like the Lord of the Rings movies so much.Nov 03 16:58
DaemonFCIt's literally like four hours of walking through landscapes and forests.Nov 03 16:58
DaemonFCThe books are probably better, I don't know.Nov 03 16:59
DaemonFCI made the mistake of watching one of the movies and now I don't even care.Nov 03 17:00
DaemonFCA movie has to be pretty damned boring before I'll fall asleep.Nov 03 17:03
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MinceRlol @animgifNov 03 17:08
MinceRlooks just like hungaryNov 03 17:08
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SosumiLord of the Rings doesn't ring any bell to me...Nov 03 19:29
SosumiI see, you can't just walk into Mordor or something like that and one of the guy dies in beggining...Nov 03 19:30
Sosumiis it related to The Rings of the Nibelung?Nov 03 19:30
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Sosumialso known as Das NibelungenliedNov 03 19:31
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sebsebsebhi iophkNov 03 19:52
iophkhiNov 03 19:52
sebsebsebiophk: I made a Mageia 3 GNOE remaster not last night, but one beforeNov 03 19:53
sebsebsebneed to do a KDE to reallyNov 03 19:53
sebsebsebetcNov 03 19:53
sebsebsebiophk: also there's stil the debate about what distros to have etcNov 03 19:53
sebsebseb2 or 3Nov 03 19:53
iophkHow did you get the remaster working?Nov 03 19:53
sebsebsebiophk: soeones like someone might have to back out having their distroNov 03 19:53
sebsebsebI think I need to send a email with the reasons for MageiaNov 03 19:54
sebsebseband for Ubuntu dNov 03 19:54
iophkTwo distros max. otherwise there is too much hassle for you and confusion for the novices.Nov 03 19:54
sebsebsebI Think that could be goodNov 03 19:54
iophkagreedNov 03 19:54
sebsebsebiophk: I think it' Mint and Open Suse that we don't need :DNov 03 19:54
iophkcan do without those I hinkNov 03 19:54
iophkthinkNov 03 19:54
sebsebsebof course someone else might think we don't need MageiaNov 03 19:55
iophkIt's much better to work with a community based distro.Nov 03 19:55
iophkMageia is one.Nov 03 19:55
sebsebseb2  or 3 max is the ideaNov 03 19:55
sebsebsebiophk: here's what the older guy put hold onNov 03 19:55
iophkAs I wrote before, one distro for the various choices of Desktop environment, except for Unity.  Then Ubuntu to provide Unity.Nov 03 19:57
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423514/iPads-banned-from-Cabinet-meetings-over-surveillance-fears.htmlNov 03 19:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | iPads banned from Cabinet meetings over surveillance fears - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fzbr5 ]Nov 03 19:58
sebsebsebiophk: well not much he said realyNov 03 19:58
sebsebsebjust 2 or 3Nov 03 19:58
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sebsebseb2 and  then oen for old machinesNov 03 19:58
sebsebseband may have to vote on them later or hwateverNov 03 19:58
sebsebsebiophk: yes maybe I should directly propose that nowNov 03 19:59
sebsebsebone distro to show the othe de's MagieaNov 03 19:59
iophkKDE, XFCE, LXDE?Nov 03 19:59
sebsebseband then Ubuntu for UNityNov 03 19:59
sebsebsebif they really want 2, Mageia and Ubuntu, becuase...Nov 03 19:59
sebsebsebif 3 people can debate about if it should be Mint or Open Suse as the 3rdNov 03 19:59
iophkOf the two, mint is the lesser problem.Nov 03 20:00
sebsebsebiophk: what if Mageia is rejected by them?Nov 03 20:00
iophkBuild a good case for using it.Nov 03 20:00
sebsebsebiophk: at the moment we got,  Mageia 4,  Open Suse, Mint, and possily Ubuntu as wellNov 03 20:00
sebsebsebthat's fourNov 03 20:00
sebsebseb,but only 2 or 3 is wantedNov 03 20:00
iophkUbuntu has Unity, so that is kind of a given.Nov 03 20:00
sebsebsebso at least one has to goNov 03 20:00
sebsebsebiophk: exactly Ubuntu is the only one with UnityNov 03 20:01
sebsebsebplus it's the more commonly known one etcNov 03 20:01
iophkMint is just Ubuntu.  Suse is M$Nov 03 20:01
sebsebsebso should be inNov 03 20:01
sebsebsebMint is just Ubuntu really except some changes and CInnamon and Mate which can run in Mageia 4 anywa from repo'sNov 03 20:01
sebsebsebiophk: and Open SUes is just whatever yeahNov 03 20:01
sebsebsebI think I'll put in the for reasons for Mageia and UbuntuNov 03 20:01
sebsebseband let people debate  Mint and OPen SuseNov 03 20:02
sebsebsebwhat can Open SUse do that Magiea can't?Nov 03 20:02
sebsebsebthat these people may want, I can't think of somethingNov 03 20:02
sebsebsebiophk: I thinkk it's Open Suse or  Mint that should go, if only having 3Nov 03 20:02
sebsebsebMageia 4 is also released at a great time for our eventNov 03 20:03
sebsebsebmeans it's still got 16 months of support leftNov 03 20:03
iophkMint + Ubuntu would be redundant since Mint is Ubuntu repackagedNov 03 20:03
iophkSupport timing is importantNov 03 20:03
sebsebsebyeah it's silly having both isn't it, Mint and UbuntuNov 03 20:03
sebsebsebcan run  Mate and Cinnamon in Ubuntu anywayNov 03 20:03
iophkor on mageia?Nov 03 20:03
sebsebsebyep or on MagieaNov 03 20:03
Sosumihttp://latewire.com/1195Nov 03 20:04
TechrightsBot-trlatewire.com | Thunderbolt in New Mac Pro Worse Than Previously ThoughtNov 03 20:04
sebsebsebiophk: Mageia 4 comes out at a great tie well a bit before our eventNov 03 20:04
Sosumicompreensible analisysNov 03 20:04
sebsebsebthat was  my whole idea as wellNov 03 20:04
sebsebsebiophk: best to give them a version of a distro that is supported 16 months still :dNov 03 20:04
Sosumialso thunderbolt is crap in all formsNov 03 20:04
sebsebsebthen one that only has a year or soleftNov 03 20:04
Sosumiglad that it didn't take over in the desktop pcNov 03 20:04
sebsebsebiophk: yep email writing timeNov 03 20:05
sebsebsebthe one about distrosNov 03 20:05
sebsebseband the one about usb sticks and being free swag unlessNov 03 20:05
sebsebseband  replies to others and yeahNov 03 20:05
iophkkeep them in separate mailsNov 03 20:05
sebsebsebyes I willNov 03 20:05
sebsebseband going to end up doing a fewNov 03 20:05
sebsebsebiophk: Mint was oringally started to make codecs easier to install into Ubuntu basicallyNov 03 20:06
sebsebseband then later became a Unity haters distroNov 03 20:06
sebsebsebUnity haters/dislikersNov 03 20:06
MinceRyou're saying that as if it was bad to hate unity :>Nov 03 20:06
sebsebsebiophk: it's better to gie peole Ubuntu as well, since they get more support htereNov 03 20:06
sebsebsebmassive #ubuntu channelNov 03 20:06
sebsebsebforums that go back over 10 yaears etcNov 03 20:06
sebsebsebI lik Mint IRC, but it's small etcNov 03 20:06
sebsebsebiophk: yep i have too do a unbaised  for Mageia and Ubuntu email I thinkNov 03 20:07
iophkUbuntu has good support.  Are you in time for the LTS in April?Nov 03 20:07
sebsebsebso when I metnion support I can say Mint verion gets the sme as Ubuntu, unless it's Deian based, but that's about as far as I goNov 03 20:07
sebsebsebiophk: no won't be in time for the LTS in AprilNov 03 20:07
sebsebseb,butNov 03 20:07
sebsebsebI have we could tel eople about that, they could intal laterNov 03 20:07
sebsebsebor upgradeNov 03 20:07
sebsebsebI have thought aboveNov 03 20:07
sebsebsebiophk: ,but yes the five years support stuff I'll put that inNov 03 20:08
sebsebsebiophk: apparantlly Canonical even help to some extent with Mageia's kernel updates by the wayNov 03 20:08
sebsebsebI mean say when there are security issues or whatever it wasNov 03 20:08
sebsebsebnot sure if that would be a selling  point for this, but yes there's some sort of callaboraitonNov 03 20:08
sebsebsebmore recentlyNov 03 20:08
iophkHow's the support for Mageia compared to the others?Nov 03 20:09
sebsebsebiophk: Magiea's welcome screen in Magiea 4 that's a good feature toNov 03 20:09
sebsebseba selling pointNov 03 20:09
sebsebsebiophk: support in general?Nov 03 20:09
sebsebsebvery good packaging and qa teamNov 03 20:09
iophkYes, for beginnersNov 03 20:09
sebsebseball volunteers, but vry goodNov 03 20:09
sebsebsebvery friendly commmunity to join for beginersNov 03 20:09
sebsebseband the welcome screen maks it ore clear how to join the community and recomnds some apps for them etcNov 03 20:10
sebsebsebthe graphical  Magiea control centreNov 03 20:10
sebsebsebthat's  a selling feature right thereNov 03 20:10
sebsebsebsort of like a Wndows XP control panel, but for a Linux distro, a launcherNov 03 20:10
sebsebseba very uer friendly feature that only the Mandriva like distros have,  or MandrivaNov 03 20:11
sebsebsebeverything else lacksNov 03 20:11
sebsebsebif 2  distor's this...Nov 03 20:12
sebsebsebif  3 this...Nov 03 20:12
sebsebsebafter doing freasons stuffNov 03 20:12
Sosumihttp://latewire.com/images/fekken_random/NewMP-hello.pngNov 03 20:13
sebsebsebiophk: how about how Magiea is all about stability htingNov 03 20:13
Sosumipict says allNov 03 20:13
sebsebsebiophk: versionfreze being on the 15th OctoberNov 03 20:13
sebsebseband then like three months of testingNov 03 20:13
sebsebsebiophk: I mean look at this release scheduled:  https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development#Development_PlanningNov 03 20:14
sebsebsebhttps://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development#Development_PlanningNov 03 20:14
TechrightsBot-trwiki.mageia.org | Mageia 4 Development - Mageia wiki  [ http://ur1.ca/fzbtn ]Nov 03 20:14
sebsebsebiophk: it's a non commercial distro, a very friendly community to join etcNov 03 20:14
sebsebsebhas the Mandriva legacy behind itNov 03 20:14
sebsebsebsince it was a fork byforer develoers etc etNov 03 20:14
sebsebsebcNov 03 20:15
sebsebsebMandriva/MandrakeNov 03 20:15
synchrisurpmi is preaty niceNov 03 20:17
sebsebsebsynchris: oh do you use it in what?Nov 03 20:17
sebsebseband your new here?Nov 03 20:17
synchrisi tried mageia i found it ok urpmi is better than yum more features better for solving conflicts and etcNov 03 20:18
sebsebsebsynchris: I don't knowNov 03 20:19
sebsebsebI haven't really used Open SUse properlyNov 03 20:19
synchrisbut i am fedora userNov 03 20:19
sebsebseb,but I am organising an event with some people fro my LUG for MarchNov 03 20:19
synchrissebsebseb: opensuse uses urpmi?Nov 03 20:19
sebsebseband  we haven't quite decided on ditros properly etcNov 03 20:19
sebsebsebno Open Suse uses yastNov 03 20:19
sebsebsebsynchris: and I actsallly contribute to MagieaNov 03 20:19
sebsebsebeveryone knows I want thatNov 03 20:19
sebsebseb,butNov 03 20:19
sebsebsebwe got 4 distros, and may only be going with 2 or 3Nov 03 20:20
sebsebsebso at least one has to go thenNov 03 20:20
synchrisi want speak about gentoo or anything relatedNov 03 20:20
sebsebsebMageia 4, (not released yet),  Open Suse,  Ubuntu 13.10,  MintNov 03 20:20
sebsebsebI think Mint or Open Suse should goNov 03 20:20
sebsebsebif only giong to have threeNov 03 20:20
iophktwo is better than threeNov 03 20:21
sebsebsebMageia 4 will be omre user firendly really nice graphical control centreNov 03 20:21
synchrisi can;t say that any distro fullfil my needsNov 03 20:21
sebsebseband a really nice new welcome sreen for the 4th versionNov 03 20:21
synchrisbut whatever mandriva was kind interesting back thenNov 03 20:21
iophkthe selection of desktop environments can be another discussion after selecting the distro to accompany UbuntuNov 03 20:21
synchrisi wanted to install mageia again but i have a lot of work arroundNov 03 20:21
sebsebsebiophk: the guy who wants Ubuntu his idea to show one with GNOE nad another with KDE I  don't like thatNov 03 20:22
iophkMe neither.Nov 03 20:22
iophkUbuntu should show only UnityNov 03 20:22
sebsebsebit willNov 03 20:22
sebsebsebhe mean others to show other oensNov 03 20:22
iophkthen use Mageia for two or three other DEsNov 03 20:22
sebsebsebCopying from email:Nov 03 20:23
sebsebsebI think, with regards to distributions, we should have the following:Nov 03 20:23
sebsebseb1x Gnome-based distro.Nov 03 20:23
sebsebseb1x KDE-based distro.Nov 03 20:23
sebsebseb1x *stock* Ubuntu distro.Nov 03 20:23
sebsebsebplus "one very cut down remix for old machines". Nov 03 20:23
sebsebsebthat's what he thinksNov 03 20:23
sebsebsebthe guy who wants UbuntuNov 03 20:23
iophkIt sounds reasonableNov 03 20:23
iophkBut that 1x distro should be all the same oneNov 03 20:24
sebsebsebiophk: Open Suse and Mageia are both KDE and GNOME distros thoughNov 03 20:24
sebsebsebyeah his thing proposes Nov 03 20:24
sebsebseb3Nov 03 20:24
sebsebseb,but if they really want  only 2, then Mageia and UbuntuNov 03 20:24
sebsebsebcan show KDE in two distor's and GNONE in two, I don't think a big dealNov 03 20:24
iophkGnome is overNov 03 20:25
sebsebsebnoNov 03 20:25
sebsebsebit's notNov 03 20:25
iophkGnome 3 killed itNov 03 20:25
sebsebsebnoNov 03 20:25
synchrisKDE is not betterNov 03 20:25
sebsebseband I am on about showing GNOME 3 when I say showing a GNOMENov 03 20:25
synchrisi use both kde ang gnomeNov 03 20:25
MinceRXFCE is, thoughNov 03 20:25
synchrisand some WMsNov 03 20:25
iophkI'd prioritize XFCENov 03 20:25
sebsebsebMinceR: XFCE is over?Nov 03 20:25
MinceRnopeNov 03 20:26
MinceRit's better than GnomeNov 03 20:26
sebsebsebiophk: I think I should do my thing for Mageia and MintNov 03 20:26
sebsebseband leave things open to anyone else for why may want Mint or Open SUseNov 03 20:26
iophkMint has Unity?Nov 03 20:26
sebsebsebthe guy who wants Open Suse can povide reaosns I am sure why he wnats that I am thinking of basicaly putting that in a emailNov 03 20:26
sebsebsebas wellNov 03 20:26
iophkI thought that was exclusive to UbuntuNov 03 20:26
synchrisa friend told but things about mint ;pNov 03 20:27
synchrisme*Nov 03 20:27
sebsebsebiophk: no Mint does not have UnityNov 03 20:27
synchrisbad*Nov 03 20:27
sebsebsebiophk: that's the reason why Ubuntu is inNov 03 20:27
sebsebsebit's the only one that can run Unity realyNov 03 20:27
iophkexaclyNov 03 20:27
MinceRisn't mint an ubuntu derivative?Nov 03 20:27
sebsebsebwhere as Mate and Cinnamon as I already put in a email from last nightNov 03 20:27
iophkyes it isNov 03 20:27
sebsebsebcan run in other distros anyway soNov 03 20:27
MinceRwhy can't it run unity, then?Nov 03 20:27
MinceRis unity so invasive?Nov 03 20:27
sebsebsebMinceR: I tried to run Unity in Mint beforeNov 03 20:28
sebsebseba year or so Nov 03 20:28
sebsebsebagoNov 03 20:28
sebsebsebI tried to install it from Ubuntu's repo's ,but nopeNov 03 20:28
sebsebsebit was black listd or whateverNov 03 20:28
sebsebsebwoudn't let me install it into MintNov 03 20:28
sebsebsebMinceR: maybe tha's changed now Nov 03 20:28
MinceRicNov 03 20:28
sebsebseb,but it was like they had done something on purpouse so that Unity woudn't be able to run in  MintNov 03 20:28
sebsebsebalso there's no point running Mint now anyway really, unless going to run Mate and Cinnamon, but that can run in other distros toNov 03 20:29
iophkso Mint is off the listNov 03 20:29
sebsebsebUnity will get tighed to MIRNov 03 20:29
sebsebsebI  guesNov 03 20:29
sebsebseband every other didstro or pretty much wil go WaylandNov 03 20:29
sebsebsebiophk: well maybe Mint can run Unity nowNov 03 20:29
sebsebseb,but if it's like what I put before stillNov 03 20:30
sebsebsebiophk: yeah Mint should be off the listNov 03 20:30
sebsebsebreallyNov 03 20:30
sebsebsebunless it's the cut down distor maybe or sethingNov 03 20:30
sebsebsebiophk: I guess I just do my email and whatever from thereNov 03 20:30
sebsebsebmy reaons for Mageia and UbuntuNov 03 20:30
sebsebsebiophk: ,but so I don't sound to biased or whatever, I an put in how I hae tried Min before and iked, but..Nov 03 20:31
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iophkgood luck with the emailNov 03 20:33
iophkgtgNov 03 20:33
sebsebsebiophk: yeah thanks :Nov 03 20:35
sebsebseb:)Nov 03 20:36
Snowleaksangei heard SteamOS described as a "post-singularity" distro.  its gonna be insaneNov 03 20:37
MinceRwhat does it mean?Nov 03 20:37
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Snowleaksangei interpreted as meaning extremely fancy/futuristicNov 03 20:38
sebsebsebwil they tell people that Steam OSNov 03 20:38
sebsebsebruns that uhmmm Linux thing or notNov 03 20:38
sebsebsebis the thingNov 03 20:38
sebsebsebor maybe they will just say it's based on that Ubuntu thingNov 03 20:38
sebsebseb,but nothing about Linux hmmNov 03 20:38
Snowleaksangepoor Linus.. hes popular enough thoNov 03 20:39
Snowleaksangei think most people know Linux behind Android, Ubuntu, and SteamOSNov 03 20:41
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: noNov 03 20:44
sebsebsebmost people who run Android on some deviceNov 03 20:44
sebsebsebhave no idea that there's some sort of Linux thing in itNov 03 20:44
sebsebseband what that isNov 03 20:44
sebsebsebthey are just consumers, notihing more, and nothing lessNov 03 20:44
Snowleaksangeah youre probably right about androidNov 03 20:45
Snowleaksangesince 100s of mils of people haveNov 03 20:45
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: yep and they have no idea about what it runs etcNov 03 20:46
Snowleaksangemost think a little green android lives in their phoneNov 03 20:46
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: I think many people just us their phonesNov 03 20:47
sebsebsebfor nearly everything now I mean like eail facebook etcNov 03 20:47
sebsebseb,becuase they reolise that Android works wellNov 03 20:47
sebsebsebon their device,  and way bettr htan their slow WIndows installNov 03 20:47
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: they use what works better for them instead, and don't care about trying to get the slow WIndows install working betterNov 03 20:47
Snowleaksangeyeah kids these days dont enough know what a desktop isNov 03 20:48
sebsebsebnot kidsNov 03 20:49
sebsebsebpeope in generalNov 03 20:49
sebsebsebthey blame the computer itself, wen it goes slow etcNov 03 20:49
sebsebsebwhen  really it's Windows usualyNov 03 20:49
sebsebsebthen a lot of younger people go anduse their phone or tablet for most stuff insteadNov 03 20:49
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Snowleaksangethe only people i know who use windows are my parents and someone who has an investment fund w bill gatesNov 03 20:54
Snowleaksangeoh also my grandparents and a few teachersNov 03 20:57
Snowleaksangeall old peopleNov 03 20:57
Snowleaksangeits frustrating to learn a new ui / new osNov 03 20:57
Snowleaksangems should make an os ontop of linux :)Nov 03 20:59
MinceRthey have a religious issue with copyleft :>Nov 03 21:29
Sosumiand I just spread poison on #MacOSX,Nov 03 21:37
Sosumiyes meet the Buttplug ProNov 03 21:37
MinceR:)Nov 03 21:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397073680439980032  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397080455914487809 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397089583953084416  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397098531565338624  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397104386868260864  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397116561192148992Nov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Richard Stallman on the Penal System  http://t.co/XRobuwjTsz #prison #law #usNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on the Penal System | TechrightsNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Free Software World Helps People Acquire/Regain #Privacy http://t.co/zWUv9PBQNH  #fsfe #kolab #switzerland #DarkMailNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Free Software World Helps People Acquire/Regain Privacy | TechrightsNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Britain Misuses the ‘Terrorist’ Label  http://t.co/By5aMpavbx #uk #press #freedom #truth #nsa #snowden #media #censorshipNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Britain Misuses the ‘Terrorist’ Label | TechrightsNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The ‘I Am Edward Snowden’ Defence  http://t.co/hBqYtVD6VS  #snowden #nsaNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The ‘I Am Edward Snowden’ Defence | TechrightsNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Confirmed: NSA Responsible for Assassination of Thousands of People (Many Innocents)  http://t.co/hhEhhpLA60 #nsa #cia #dronesNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Confirmed: NSA Responsible for Assassination of Thousands of People (Many Innocents) | TechrightsNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: UK govt. gets it: Proprietary software combined with built-in microphone and camera = #surveillance and #espionage http://t.co/oaJKR3HsjuNov 03 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.telegraph.co.uk | iPads banned from Cabinet meetings over surveillance fears - TelegraphNov 03 21:44
Snowleaksangepraise toronto mayor courage for not stepping down #crackprideNov 03 21:44
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397117801754005504Nov 03 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Politicians meet science http://t.co/WpmUyo4piK #climatechange #pr #windpower #science #texasNov 03 21:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397118264788402177Nov 03 21:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Facepalm https://t.co/Xe87JKUmoSNov 03 21:51
MinceR:DNov 03 21:52
SosumiNSA and the other alphabet agencies should just be broken in a thousand pieces and scattered to the windNov 03 21:53
Sosuminot that the FSB and others are any better, but at least it'd show a moral high groundNov 03 21:54
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MinceRhttp://www.politics.hu/20131103/quotable-antal-rogan-on-horthy-unveiling/Nov 03 22:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.politics.hu | Quotable: Antal Rogán on foreign reaction to unveiling of Horthy statue in Budapest | Politics.hu  [ http://ur1.ca/fzcey ]Nov 03 22:44
Sosumigarage band is now free just like moronicksNov 03 22:55
Sosumibut...Nov 03 22:55
Sosumiif you want additional loops and what nots, you have to pay 5€Nov 03 22:55
Sosumieven if you had payed for the old version which included allNov 03 22:56
Sosumiyay, crAppleNov 03 22:56
MinceRif i want to make music, i'll just use a trackerNov 03 22:56
MinceRlike fasttracker, impulse tracker, milkytracker, schism tracker or whateverNov 03 22:57
SosumiI was highlighting extersionNov 03 22:57
Sosuminothing moreNov 03 22:57
Sosumidoing music is something that doesn't ring anything with meNov 03 22:57
Sosumialthough I enjoy it a lotNov 03 22:58
Sosumibach and verdi to dio, korn and amon amarthNov 03 22:58
Sosumi*extortionNov 03 22:59
MinceRi've tried to create music, without good resultsNov 03 23:00
Sosumibut you can make computers sing, right?Nov 03 23:00
Sosumiso no worriesNov 03 23:01
Sosumi:)Nov 03 23:01
MinceR:)Nov 03 23:01
SosumiI've never bothered learning and I admit that I didn't do very well in music classes eitherNov 03 23:01
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Sosumiback in those days I was more interested in blowing things up than practicing violinNov 03 23:02
Sosumi*ratherNov 03 23:02
MinceRi'd care more about composing than playingNov 03 23:03
MinceRany sequencer can play musicNov 03 23:03
SosumiyepNov 03 23:03
Sosumiyou could be the new Vangelis :)Nov 03 23:03
Sosumihaven't heard of that guy for a while eitherNov 03 23:03
MinceRi would need formal training for thatNov 03 23:04
MinceRi can't fit it in my schedule yetNov 03 23:04
Sosumiwell, when you do start learning, let us hear itNov 03 23:06
Sosumiand do free software song remixNov 03 23:06
Sosumi*aNov 03 23:06
Sosumimy sleepyness is making me miss letters :PNov 03 23:07
MinceR:)Nov 03 23:07
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MinceRhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wetXMUrQpQs/ToyJskSvfMI/AAAAAAAAAIY/RUf2NzIlxSU/w694-h550-no/churchesthroughouthistory.jpgNov 04 06:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3232952Nov 04 07:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a WarrantNov 04 07:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fyv3k ]Nov 04 07:20
schestowitzAnyway, if one is to use a system with proprietary bits, I would at least recommend using one made by a company that isn't a founding member of PRISM..."Nov 04 07:20
iophkPretty much all systems have proprietary bits still.  Only gNewSense on  certain MIPS hardware is free of blobs.Nov 04 07:39
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iophkhttp://mashable.com/2013/11/03/steve-wozniak-apple-should-work-with-google-samsung/Nov 04 08:25
TechrightsBot-trmashable.com | Steve Wozniak: Apple Should Work With Google and Samsung  [ http://ur1.ca/fzeu4 ]Nov 04 08:25
iophkClose but still does not prevent sw patentsNov 04 08:26
Snowleaksangety woz for much needed civilityNov 04 08:27
iophkYeah, at least heNov 04 08:27
iophk''s trying to build bridgesNov 04 08:27
iophkGoogle and Apple have more to gain by working together.  Letting M$ play them off against each other only hurts both.Nov 04 08:28
iophkone example being that "rockstar" shennaniganNov 04 08:28
Snowleaksangesteve jobs felt android stolen product willing go thermonuclear on itNov 04 08:29
iophkyeah, that was at the endNov 04 08:29
Snowleaksangeonly he is allowed to steal products from xeroxNov 04 08:29
iophkI'm hoping they don't feel obligated to pursue that route too hard.Nov 04 08:29
iophkIt was probably the organ failure speaking.Nov 04 08:29
Snowleaksangepower corrupts etcNov 04 08:30
iophkyeah but he was insanely wealthy already for a very long time, and was more normal back thenNov 04 08:30
Snowleaksangefirst he revolutionized the computer, then the phone, not badNov 04 08:34
Snowleaksangelet alone the portable music playerNov 04 08:34
Snowleaksangegadget lordNov 04 08:34
Snowleaksangethanks for setting us freeNov 04 08:35
iophkseveral times.  The Apple II was open as heck but still managed to put a desktop in every department and small business because of VisicalcNov 04 08:37
iophkThen the Macintosh brought in desktop publishing, something partially done by office suites and word processing today.Nov 04 08:38
iophkThen he might have missed e-mail but via NeXT got in on the WWW.Nov 04 08:38
iophkI was kind of hoping he had a few more years in order to do for TV programming what he did for/to music.Nov 04 08:39
Snowleaksangethat would be sweet.  content fragmentation sucksNov 04 08:39
Snowleaksangetv is now my worst quality content alsoNov 04 08:40
Snowleaksangecomcast xfinity complete PoSNov 04 08:40
iophkI don't think Cook has the clout to pull it off, though.Nov 04 08:40
Snowleaksangeyeah hes seems visionlessNov 04 08:40
Snowleaksangedude needs to go on more ashramsNov 04 08:40
iophkJobs was infamous at negotiation and had the vision.Nov 04 08:40
iophkashrams won't unmake him a bean-counterNov 04 08:41
iophkApple is big, he'll keep it profitable for a while yet.Nov 04 08:41
iophkAnd Ive will keep it fashionable for a while.Nov 04 08:41
SnowleaksangeyeahNov 04 08:41
iophkBut it is not likely to produce big changes any more.Nov 04 08:42
iophkStill, I think the TV thing might have been almost there, so I hope it can be pulled off.Nov 04 08:43
Snowleaksangei wonder if increased content shows will catch onNov 04 08:44
Snowleaksangebasically multiple "seasons" per yearNov 04 08:44
iophkProduction no longer needs to be tied to seasons.Nov 04 08:44
iophkSo, yeah, that could happen.Nov 04 08:44
SnowleaksangeyeahNov 04 08:45
Snowleaksangetimed release can accomplish same but leaks likelyNov 04 08:45
Snowleaksangewell i guess that what always going on w tvNov 04 08:45
Snowleaksangeso leaks not problemNov 04 08:46
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/us-officials-say-forget-about-clemency-for-snowden/Nov 04 11:42
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfhr ]Nov 04 11:42
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/too-much-cash-causes-pirate-admin-to-quit-43k-ebook-dump-imminent-131103/Nov 04 11:49
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Too Much Cash Causes Pirate Admin to Quit, 43K Ebook Dump Imminent | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfij ]Nov 04 11:49
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MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/1286/Nov 04 12:58
TechrightsBot-trxkcd.com | xkcd: EncrypticNov 04 12:58
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MinceRhttp://www.pidjin.net/2013/10/31/the-circle-of-faith/Nov 04 13:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.pidjin.net | The circle of faith « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfu1 ]Nov 04 13:47
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sebsebsebhi iophkNov 04 15:20
sebsebsebthings aren't looking so goodNov 04 15:20
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schestowitzsale of tux machines now finalisedNov 04 16:25
schestowitz"Nov 04 16:25
schestowitz> Whenever I've seen a manager-type with such a device, I wonder how oftenNov 04 16:25
schestowitz> his competitors are in his machine with the microphone on.  WindowsNov 04 16:25
schestowitz> notebooks have been in board rooms and meeting rooms for a long time.Nov 04 16:25
schestowitz> Before that it was 'normal' desktop computers tricked out with aNov 04 16:25
schestowitz> microphone for conferencing.  Wasn't there an incident a few years aogNov 04 16:25
schestowitz> with a national parliament or EU committee under such surveillance?  INov 04 16:25
schestowitz> can't find the article but seem to recall such an event.Nov 04 16:25
schestowitzWhy go years back? Only a couple of months ago there was a HUGE scandalNov 04 16:25
schestowitzwhen the Snowden leaks revealed EU Parl was cracked and bugged by the NSA. They're still not over it and some treaty agreements got called off due to this. Then, famous privacy advocates including an MI5 whistleblower came to speak in front of EU Parl about it. I don't know how exactly they were bugged, but this was clearly political espionage. Earlier this year the Equadorian embassy in London found a microphone planted inside, spyingNov 04 16:25
schestowitzon the staff there (and Assange). I guess they were smart enough to avoid built-in mics, but someone somehow planted a wireless devices in the walls there.Nov 04 16:25
schestowitz"Nov 04 16:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: I am not happyNov 04 16:27
iophksebsebseb: Mageia issues?Nov 04 16:32
sebsebsebiophk: uhNov 04 16:32
sebsebsebmore like event organising issuesNov 04 16:32
sebsebsebiophk: they want a vote on distros to be done on the remastersNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebat the next meetingNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebhe wantsNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebthe event co ordinaterNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebhe also thinks he should get the cast vote if whatever, still got this guy away in USA the 5th oneNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebiophk: so basically Magiea could get voted out htenNov 04 16:33
iophkIt doesn't make sense to vote on themNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebeven though it would be one of the best ones for new users coming from WIndowsNov 04 16:33
iophklogic dictates that to have Unity there must be UbuntuNov 04 16:34
iophkthat rules out MintNov 04 16:34
sebsebsebit's also not realy been decided on what distro to have for what DENov 04 16:34
sebsebsebiophk: right, but Mint hasn't been ruled outNov 04 16:34
sebsebsebit's stll inNov 04 16:34
sebsebsebto be vted onNov 04 16:34
sebsebsebiophk: I was making a pastebinNov 04 16:34
sebsebsebto shw soeone else with some stuffNov 04 16:34
sebsebseb,bt I can show you toNov 04 16:34
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/11/04/messing-with-competition-again-m-scraps-skype-api/Nov 04 16:38
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Messing With Competition Again, M$ Scraps Skype API  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fzggr ]Nov 04 16:38
iophk“They did that to prevent any end-to-end encryption plugins that might show up"Nov 04 16:38
sebsebsebiophk: the two best distros are probablly realy Mageia and Open SUseNov 04 16:38
sebsebseband with KDE in particularNov 04 16:38
sebsebsebfor Widows usersNov 04 16:39
sebsebsebfamilur etcNov 04 16:39
iophkNot SUse , that's M$Nov 04 16:39
sebsebsebiophk: that's what someone from  Magiea project basically said to meNov 04 16:39
iophkThe discussiino you guys should be having should be about the Desktop Environments not the distrosNov 04 16:39
sebsebsebiophk: what do I do if Mageia doesn't become one of them?Nov 04 16:39
sebsebsebgive my reasonsNov 04 16:39
sebsebseband ask them if they erally want me to leae the project?Nov 04 16:39
iophkdo you have your reasons written on paperNov 04 16:39
sebsebsebiophk: agreed it should be about hte de's not the distro'sNov 04 16:39
iophk?Nov 04 16:39
sebsebsebit's ok to show Maigee and Open SUse with KDE and GNOMENov 04 16:40
sebsebsebtwo distrosNov 04 16:40
iophkpeople absorb ideas better when on paperNov 04 16:40
sebsebsebI have done stuff in eialsNov 04 16:40
sebsebsebetcNov 04 16:40
sebsebsebemais reallyNov 04 16:40
sebsebsebiophk: yeah it shoud't be about distor's as uchNov 04 16:41
sebsebsebit should be about which de's to show, and shown by what distro/sNov 04 16:41
sebsebsebwhich interfaceNov 04 16:41
sebsebseband my prposal would be this:Nov 04 16:41
sebsebsebUbuntu for UNityNov 04 16:41
sebsebsebMagiea for GNOME and KDE, and if te othe guy wants it Open SUse maybe to for htatNov 04 16:42
sebsebsebUbuntu for UnityNov 04 16:42
sebsebsebif havingNov 04 16:42
sebsebseband we need something Windows like o KDE is good for thatNov 04 16:43
iophkNo gnome anymore, just XFCENov 04 16:43
iophkit's an easier transitinoNov 04 16:43
iophktranstionNov 04 16:44
sebsebseband it should more fmailur than Mate and Cinnmoan as wellNov 04 16:45
sebsebsebSFCE sure,but I can't just show that on a lie sessoinNov 04 16:50
sebsebsebMageia only does GNOME and KDE Live Media's by defaultNov 04 16:50
sebsebsebmaybe Open Suse has a XCFCE Live CD an that's what it can be used for then uhNov 04 16:50
MinceRiirc Debian has an XFCE live cdNov 04 16:51
sebsebseband there's Xubuntu hmNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebmNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebMinceR: I am annyed with this stuffNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebI think if I don't get things how I want itNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebwhen this vote or whateverNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebI may just say to themNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebdo you really wnt Nov 04 16:52
sebsebsebwant me to leae the rpoject?Nov 04 16:52
sebsebsebafter all thisNov 04 16:52
sebsebseb?Nov 04 16:52
sebsebseband this to me is like doing a course, and then it being axed towards the end after already done coursework for it,  and that's annoying, and I have bee in that postio beforeNov 04 16:52
MinceRnot sure where i've found it, but   http://live.debian.net/   has the imagesNov 04 16:52
TechrightsBot-trlive.debian.net | Live Systems ProjectNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebMinceR: Debian itself isn't in at the momentNov 04 16:53
sebsebsebMint Ubuntu, Mageia, Open SUseNov 04 16:53
MinceRwell, here's an opportunity to add itNov 04 16:53
MinceR:)Nov 04 16:53
sebsebseband voting on distros is sillyNov 04 16:53
sebsebsebrealyNov 04 16:53
sebsebsebwe shoud just agree on de's and what distro to have for thatNov 04 16:53
iophkyesNov 04 16:53
sebsebsebiophk: yep that's what I a going to say etcNov 04 16:54
MinceRi don't know what distros have xfce live images other than debian and xubuntuNov 04 16:55
sebsebseboh  Mint has one I Think actusalyNov 04 16:55
sebsebseband I think PC Linux OS as welNov 04 16:55
sebsebsebiophk: also I am not sure what one guy was doing,but I think he was making more than just a standard remasterNov 04 16:56
sebsebsebiophk: another isuse I got is no jitsi in Magiea uh, and they wanted thatNov 04 16:56
sebsebsebI can try a bug report, maybe it can get added in for  Mageia 4 hmmNov 04 16:56
iophkIs Jitsi in any distro at all?Nov 04 16:56
sebsebsebOpen SUse has itNov 04 16:56
iophkYes try to get it packaged for Mageia4Nov 04 16:56
sebsebsebUbuntu/Mint has itNov 04 16:56
sebsebsebDebian has itNov 04 16:56
sebsebsebDebian it took a while for htem to get it into offica repo's I saw something on the site last nightNov 04 16:57
sebsebsebiophk: I think a non technical user would just go and carry o using SKype though, if given the option of the twoNov 04 16:57
iophkpossibly but if Jitsi is installed for them, they have the option of breaking the lock-in.Nov 04 16:58
iophkRemember Skype does control some of its market share purely by network effect and lock-inNov 04 16:58
sebsebsebiophk: if something else is consired,becuse of the lack of jitsi that's sillyNov 04 16:58
sebsebseb,but I guess I should tell them really about htis hmmNov 04 16:58
sebsebseb?Nov 04 16:58
iophkyes get the discussion about DE going, tooNov 04 17:00
sebsebsebyep going to do that todayNov 04 17:00
sebsebsebiophk: he didn't respond well to my email aboutNov 04 17:00
sebsebsebUbuntu and MagieaNov 04 17:00
sebsebseb,but I replied to hi saing to the guy, does that mean no Mint maybeNov 04 17:00
iophkdid he present any specific objections?Nov 04 17:00
sebsebsebiophk: no he was just likeNov 04 17:01
sebsebsebno he just basialy he wanted to know what the othe guy had for opions etcNov 04 17:01
sebsebsebI'll show you in the pastebinNov 04 17:01
sebsebsebiophk: not the email I sent out thoughNov 04 17:01
sebsebsebwell I could,but ehNov 04 17:01
iophkhttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/google-to-spend-another-450-mn-euros-on-finnish-data-centre/articleshow/25213084.cmsNov 04 17:02
TechrightsBot-treconomictimes.indiatimes.com | Google to spend another 450 mn euros on Finnish data centre - The Economic Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgj8 ]Nov 04 17:02
sebsebsebuhmm Iceland would be betterNov 04 17:02
sebsebsebit's cold thereNov 04 17:02
sebsebsebthey  can use nature to cool down the data centre'sNov 04 17:02
sebsebsebthe serversNov 04 17:02
iophkCold in Finland, too, and the heating can be used to heat neighborhoodsNov 04 17:02
iophkhttp://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2304740/google-to-expand-finnish-data-centreNov 04 17:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.computing.co.uk | Google to expand Finnish data centre - 04 Nov 2013  - Computing News  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgj9 ]Nov 04 17:02
sebsebsebiophk: in the summer it isnt' that cold in Finland thoughNov 04 17:03
sebsebseband I think Iceland gets colder in the winter Nov 04 17:03
sebsebsebprobablyNov 04 17:03
iophkplus in Finland there is a nearby nuclear plant and hydro stationNov 04 17:03
iophkand the cables from Russia run through near by, tooNov 04 17:03
iophkmaybe it is those cables they are afterNov 04 17:03
sebsebsebohNov 04 17:03
sebsebseband which cables?Nov 04 17:03
iophkInternetNov 04 17:03
sebsebsebohNov 04 17:03
sebsebsebiophk: shouold I say in my emailNov 04 17:04
sebsebsebthat I think it's silly to vote on distros like thatNov 04 17:04
sebsebsebI guess soNov 04 17:04
iophkIt's as close as they can get without crossing the borderNov 04 17:04
sebsebsebiophk: I have ben right next to the border when I was youngNov 04 17:04
sebsebsebthe former Finnish part of now RussiaNov 04 17:04
sebsebsebI was next to no mans land a riverNov 04 17:04
iophkhttp://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24447759/google-apple-and-other-tech-giants-look-postNov 04 17:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.mercurynews.com | Google, Apple and other tech giants look to a post-'cookie' era - San Jose Mercury News  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgjw ]Nov 04 17:08
iophkhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2013/11/04/amazon-thanks-faa-with-by-putting-kindles-on-sale/3431505/Nov 04 17:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.usatoday.com | Amazon 'thanks' FAA by putting Kindles on sale  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgkq ]Nov 04 17:16
sebsebsebiophk: ok hereNov 04 17:16
sebsebsebiophk: http://pastebin.com/rm2KbFKQNov 04 17:16
TechrightsBot-trpastebin.com | Peter:    On 04/11/13 01:15, Sebastian wrote:  >  >>> I think, with regards to d - Pastebin.comNov 04 17:16
iophkWell you agree on Ubuntu for Unity and on some of the DEsNov 04 17:17
sebsebsebiophk: are you reading the paste?Nov 04 17:17
sebsebsebproblem is it isn't as simple as just thatNov 04 17:17
sebsebsebI thought it would be, but nopeNov 04 17:17
sebsebsebUbuntu forUnityNov 04 17:18
sebsebseband then we pick some other de's and what distro or distro's to have showing thatNov 04 17:18
iophkMageia for XFCE and KDE makes sense to meNov 04 17:18
sebsebsebiophk: yepNov 04 17:18
iophkThat gives people a choice of 3 DEsNov 04 17:18
sebsebsebor  not XFCE since no ive media uhNov 04 17:18
iophkLive XFCE with Xubuntu if you want to go that direction.Nov 04 17:19
iophkUsing remasters is a waste of effort and does not take advantage of the work that went into the finished, standard distros, especially the QANov 04 17:20
sebsebsebiophk: yeah  I knowNov 04 17:21
sebsebseb,but still no XFCE Live media's for MgeiaNov 04 17:21
iophkI'd see about getting them to accept the idea of standard distros.Nov 04 17:21
sebsebsebthere's a nice XFCE, but has to be installed from repo'sNov 04 17:21
sebsebsebiophk: no they are stuck on the remaster ideaNov 04 17:21
sebsebseboffical reop's like you are suggesitng won't fly nowNov 04 17:21
iophkI thought there were going to be demo machines with Linux installed?Nov 04 17:21
sebsebsebaltough I think this toher guy said ike, are we going to have some of thoe as wellNov 04 17:21
iophkNo network there?Nov 04 17:21
sebsebsebdemo machinesNov 04 17:21
sebsebseband then give out the remastersNov 04 17:21
sebsebseband there's wifi and ethenret in the venueNov 04 17:22
sebsebsebroomNov 04 17:22
iophkright but wifi and ethernet connected to what?Nov 04 17:22
iophk56K modem?Nov 04 17:22
iophkWhat problem to they aim to solve with the remasters?  Nov 04 17:23
sebsebsebto have more stuff pre installedNov 04 17:25
sebsebsebthat  Joe and Jane aerage may want pre installedNov 04 17:25
iophkmore is not necessarily better, and as mentioned before walking them through an installation is important trainingNov 04 17:26
iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/11/04/nokia-samsung-extend-their-secretive-patent-deal-another-5-years-avoiding-yet-another-mobile-patent-suit-shoring-up-for-others/Nov 04 17:26
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Nokia, Samsung Extend Their Secretive Patent Deal Another 5 Years, Avoiding Yet Another Mobile Patent Suit, Shoring Up For Others?  |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/fzglv ]Nov 04 17:26
iophkThe article misrepresents the sale price by lumping in patent leases with the purchase priceNov 04 17:27
sebsebsebiophk: ah yes the $5  to Microsoft for every Android devicesold thing yes?Nov 04 17:29
iophkSomethingNov 04 17:29
sebsebsebiophk: your on about that yes?Nov 04 17:29
sebsebseb$5 to Micrsooft for every Android device sale?Nov 04 17:29
sebsebsebiophk: maybe thtat's apt of it won't say thereNov 04 17:32
sebsebseb,but yeah there was that newsNov 04 17:32
sebsebsebhow they sued Samsung etcNov 04 17:32
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iophkA little old - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/business/media/pogue-times-technology-columnist-is-leaving-for-yahoo.htmlNov 04 19:14
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgz0 ]Nov 04 19:14
iophkWill he get replaced by a technologist or a just another M$ sales writer?Nov 04 19:15
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sebsebseb Nov 04 20:33
MinceR Nov 04 20:35
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Sosumi56K modems remind of the jokeNov 04 21:41
Sosumiwhen I used to say that I had a SupraNov 04 21:41
Sosumiand everyone thought I had a Toyota SupraNov 04 21:42
MinceRso did iNov 04 21:42
Sosumibut then I said a Diamond Supra v92Nov 04 21:42
Sosumiand it was lawlNov 04 21:42
MinceRi don't know what that isNov 04 21:43
MinceRoh, a modem?Nov 04 21:43
SosumiyesNov 04 21:43
MinceR:)Nov 04 21:44
Sosumiand that was back in 2001 to 2003 when I finally got dsl in my locationNov 04 21:45
Sosumiobviously that the way I referred to the "supra" wasn't exactly mine, it'd as if my grandparents owned oneNov 04 21:46
SosumiI was like 12 at the timeNov 04 21:46
MinceR:)Nov 04 21:46
Sosumibut well between the renault safrane biturbo that my grandfather still owns and the supraNov 04 21:47
SosumiI'd go with the renault anywaysNov 04 21:47
MinceRi wouldn'tNov 04 21:47
Sosumiit's a nice carNov 04 21:47
Sosumiand renault actually made durable stuffNov 04 21:48
MinceRyeah, the sherpaNov 04 21:48
MinceRnot sure if it's reliable at all, thoughNov 04 21:48
Sosumifor example, I drive a bit older carNov 04 21:49
Sosumia renault 21 turboNov 04 21:49
Sosumithat is as old as meNov 04 21:49
Sosumihttp://static.fjcdn.com/comments/I+ll+pack+a+pack+of+alpaca+milk+_77328ba1f970133110cfdf387c788986.jpgNov 04 21:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.funnyjunk.com | I'll pack a pack of alpaca milk. - Comment #34 added by yournewestgod at ALPACAS!  [ http://ur1.ca/fzhps ]Nov 04 21:50
Sosumibut that is the best renault everNov 04 21:50
Sosumirenault alpacaNov 04 21:50
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SosumiI kid... but wouldn't mind getting a Renault Alpine A610Nov 04 21:51
MinceRi'd rather have a Land CruiserNov 04 21:51
MinceRor a lexus lxNov 04 21:51
Sosumiisn't lexus just a luxuary toyota?Nov 04 21:52
Sosumior hondaNov 04 21:52
MinceRit isNov 04 21:52
MinceRthe formerNov 04 21:52
Sosumiwell I just wouldn't mind a tesla or some quality, only electric carNov 04 21:54
Sosumithat or fuel cellNov 04 21:54
Sosumithat actually simplifies the whole and makes it cheaper to run and maintainNov 04 21:54
Sosumifor the sake of simplicityNov 04 21:57
MinceRi wouldn't mind that eitherNov 04 21:58
Sosumibut I really doubt that the national electrical grid would cope with suddendly electric cars becoming available at an affordable priceNov 04 21:58
MinceRbut afaik tesla isn't mature yetNov 04 21:58
SosumiyeahNov 04 21:58
Sosumijust read of one catching fireNov 04 21:58
MinceRi've recently read of its controllers crashingNov 04 21:58
MinceRoften, that isNov 04 21:58
SosumiouchNov 04 22:01
Sosumibut I wander how it'd be to ride an alapace to classNov 04 22:04
Sosumi*alpacaNov 04 22:04
Sosumicertainly, it'd be legendaryNov 04 22:04
Sosumibut, lawlNov 04 22:04
Sosumiand christmas is already here, waste your money in chinese made crap, 10 months no interestNov 04 22:07
MinceRit would be slow and smellyNov 04 22:07
Sosumistill legendaryNov 04 22:07
Sosumithe only way to topple that'd be ridding a gnu and roam against all the crApple and facebook enforcing teachers at my universityNov 04 22:08
MinceR:>Nov 04 22:09
Sosumibuttplug proNov 04 22:09
SosumiI still don't know how I wasn't expelled from one class when I launched that in that airNov 04 22:09
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link via Engadget.Nov 05 02:51
DaemonFC2 minutes agoNov 05 02:51
DaemonFCThe "jet engine" Mac Pro has been repeatedly derided for looking more like a trash can, and using a crippled FirePro card. Apple has this insane objection to fan noise. You can have fan noise or a slow computer. :) It has been possible to buy PCs assembled by American workers for the entire history of the PC, including the period of time between 2002, when Apple closed its last US-based assembly plant in California and fired all of the Nov 05 02:51
DaemonFCAmerican workers there, and even now. System76 and ThinkPenguin build all of their systems here and ships them with GNU/Linux. You're not only supporting American jobs, you are investing in Freedom.Nov 05 02:51
DaemonFCRyan FarmerNov 05 02:53
DaemonFCApple plans to open many small assembly plants where it can easily fire everyone working there if they try to unionize. This will let them pay very low wages.Nov 05 02:53
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iophkAnother rewrite of history to smear Childs again: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2013/11/04/think-hoarding-passwords-keeps-you-safe-from-firing-think-again/Nov 05 06:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Think Hoarding Passwords Keeps You Safe From Firing? Think Again - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjar ]Nov 05 06:22
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iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2060700/new-supercomputer-uses-ssds-as-alternative-to-dram-hard-drives.htmlNov 05 08:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | New supercomputer uses SSDs as alternative to DRAM, hard drives | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjm5 ]Nov 05 08:09
iophkfor .se only - http://falkvinge.net/2013/11/04/vote-christian-for-the-pirate-party-eu-ballot-heres-why/Nov 05 08:34
TechrightsBot-trfalkvinge.net | Vote Christian For The Pirate Party EU Ballot - Here's Why - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjo1 ]Nov 05 08:34
iophkCommodification of the OS - http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/os-x-mavericks-vs-windows-81-which-really-free-230046Nov 05 08:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | OS X Mavericks vs. Windows 8.1: Which is really free? | Data Center - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjon ]Nov 05 08:39
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/gmail-stays-up-as-google-rejects-microsoft-dmca-takedown-notice-131102/Nov 05 08:42
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Gmail Stays Up as Google Rejects Microsoft DMCA Takedown Notice | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjp7 ]Nov 05 08:42
iophkThe take-down notices ought to have a $5 processing fee with an additional, larger fee if the take-down turns out to be bogus.Nov 05 08:43
iophkhttp://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/so-the-internets-about-to-lose-its-net-neutrality/Nov 05 08:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | We're About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It | Wired Opinion | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzg8o ]Nov 05 08:46
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/05/exploding_whale_man_dies/Nov 05 08:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Unsung DEAD WHALE EXPLODER hero, who gave the early internet a purpose, passes away • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjq0 ]Nov 05 08:50
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MinceRgeekingsNov 05 09:13
iophkAsay - http://readwrite.com/2013/11/04/sorry-open-source-isnt-the-panacea-for-healthcaregovNov 05 09:15
TechrightsBot-trreadwrite.com | Sorry, Open Source Isn't The Panacea For HealthCare.gov – ReadWrite  [ http://ur1.ca/fzju0 ]Nov 05 09:15
iophk"The culprit behind the system failures was the meatier, more difficult  back-end software, which was written by 50-plus contractors behind  closed doors and released in the old-school, legacy software fashion"Nov 05 09:15
MinceRbut there's no problem with that at all? :>Nov 05 09:20
MinceRmac asay bought so deeply into nonfree software he doesn't even realize what he's sayingNov 05 09:20
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iophkold - http://dodcio.defense.gov/OpenSourceSoftwareFAQ.aspxNov 05 09:24
TechrightsBot-trdodcio.defense.gov | Open Source Software FAQ  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjvb ]Nov 05 09:24
XFaCEschestowitz: MinceR https://twitter.com/rkkski/status/288956938778189824/photo/1Nov 05 09:31
TechrightsBot-tr@rkkski: Телефон на виндоуз 8 просит диск вставить #facepalm http://t.co/fZ3Al4zTNov 05 09:31
TechrightsBot-tr@rkkski: Телефон на виндоуз 8 просит диск вставить #facepalm http://t.co/fZ3Al4zTNov 05 09:31
MinceR:)Nov 05 09:31
XFaCEMinceR: the authentic windows experience - now on mobile phones!Nov 05 09:32
MinceRindeedNov 05 09:33
iophkhttp://fsfe.org/news/nl/nl-201311.en.htmlNov 05 09:44
TechrightsBot-trfsfe.org | FSFE Newsletter - November 2013  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjxo ]Nov 05 09:44
DaemonFCRyan Farmer No. If you're ever curious about how much Comcast's customers like them, just look at their Facebook page. They were voted Worst Company in America several times by The Consumerist. They upped our cable internet rates again so they can give the people who breed themselves into poverty a $10 a month internet connection so they can watch porn....Nov 05 10:22
DaemonFCRyan Farmer To be fair, if you give someone a computer with Microsoft Windows on it, the $10 a month internet plan could be considered reparation.Nov 05 10:22
DaemonFCRyan Farmer My mother made me laugh when I was over at her house the other day. My stepdad was watching Fox News, and there were a couple of people screaming over each other about Obamacare. My mom was like "Oh my God. Do we have to watch this? Can we get some peace and quiet in this house on our day off?" I can't believe that people pay for cable. I don't want to spend my money to bring that violent garbage into my house. People wonder why Nov 05 10:49
DaemonFCthis country is so messed up. You can see dozens of people murdered every hour on cable, but no sex. Shouldn't it be the other way around? In most of Europe you can turn on the TV and see sex but not dozens of murders. People wonder why we have the highest murder rate in the developed world. People wonder why kids shoot up their schools. Garbage in. Garbage out. That, and guns are really easy to get, even if you're a braindead loser.Nov 05 10:49
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/0O6hKDb.jpgNov 05 10:52
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iophk"Most important, if you spent real money on a Skype phone --  one that has Skype controls on the handset or headset -- those fancy  buttons won't work after the end of the year. "Nov 05 12:28
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/application-development/microsoft-kills-skype-third-party-tools-the-desktop-230101Nov 05 12:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Microsoft kills Skype third-party tools for the desktop | Application development - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzko7 ]Nov 05 12:28
iophkArticle fails to mention JitsiNov 05 12:29
iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/bill-gates-wont-seek-microsoft-comeback-too-busy-trying-to-be-top-dog-philanthropist-7000022806/Nov 05 12:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | Bill Gates won't seek Microsoft comeback - too busy trying to be top dog philanthropist | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/fzkp0 ]Nov 05 12:33
iophkMore overreach Nov 05 12:44
iophkhttp://fcw.com/articles/2013/11/04/dhs-hammering-out-cybersecurity-planning.aspxNov 05 12:44
TechrightsBot-trfcw.com | DHS hammering out cybersecurity planning -- FCW  [ http://ur1.ca/fzkqj ]Nov 05 12:44
iophkbut not addressing one of the core problems - continued Windows useNov 05 12:44
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/05/tor-beginners-guide-nsa-browserNov 05 13:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | What is Tor? A beginner's guide to the privacy tool | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzkxt ]Nov 05 13:21
schestowitzkiZDNet still grooming Gates, owned by Ziff/gatesNov 05 14:51
schestowitzoh, sorrtNov 05 14:51
schestowitzthey went bankruptNov 05 14:51
schestowitznow CBSNov 05 14:51
schestowitziophk: FCW is pro-MicrosoftNov 05 14:52
schestowitznot just cause it's Windows-poweredNov 05 14:52
iophkwhat's the biggest change there?Nov 05 14:52
schestowitzin zdnet?Nov 05 14:55
*schestowitz is now known as schestowitzhttpsNov 05 15:02
*schestowitzhttps is now known as schestowitzNov 05 15:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397706612234027008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397705615763857409  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397737579728338944  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397738471655501824  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397738882286235648Nov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: CIA made doctors torture suspected terrorists after 9/11, taskforce finds http://t.co/F1ymNhCN8H how would the medical profession feel?Nov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | CIA made doctors torture suspected terrorists after 9/11, taskforce finds | World news | The GuardianNov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Lavabit's Dark Mail Initiative by Ladar Levison  http://t.co/bOJ5zyomMe help make #email not an open postcardNov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.kickstarter.com | Lavabit's Dark Mail Initiative by Ladar Levison — KickstarterNov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: What is Tor? A beginner's guide to the privacy tool http://t.co/ejimdq12iM #tor #privacyNov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Embrace, destroy, spy: Microsoft "shutting down all third-party access to its desktop API at the end of the year" http://t.co/b3YxT6SsI9Nov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "If you want to speak English..." http://t.co/pdhB3CyLi6Nov 05 15:03
schestowitz[09:15] <iophk> Asay - http://readwrite.com/2013/11/04/sorry-open-source-isnt-the-panacea-for-healthcaregovNov 05 15:03
schestowitzSNov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-trreadwrite.com | Sorry, Open Source Isn't The Panacea For HealthCare.gov – ReadWrite  [ http://ur1.ca/fzju0 ]Nov 05 15:03
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schestowitzAsayroll (troll) some in the FOSS community call himNov 05 15:03
iophkhe still pops up from time to timeNov 05 15:04
schestowitzIn the publication run by Dan LyonsNov 05 15:14
schestowitzHe also had him on his shiowNov 05 15:14
iophkI forgot about lyonsNov 05 15:15
schestowitzthey're friendsNov 05 15:15
schestowitzThe anti-Groklaw/RMS/Liniux guy and AsayNov 05 15:15
iophkI hadn't seen his writing for a whileNov 05 15:15
schestowitzWhen Asay invited him to the show he and a colleague asked me if I wanted to relay questions for the show to LyonsNov 05 15:15
schestowitziophk: he works in PR nowNov 05 15:15
schestowitzsee techrightsNov 05 15:15
iophkhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=lyons&ns0=1&fulltext=SearchNov 05 15:17
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Search results - Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlg2 ]Nov 05 15:17
iophkhttp://techrights.org/index.php?s=lyonsNov 05 15:18
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Lyons | TechrightsNov 05 15:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397742091675369472  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397742894704234497  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397744668320215041 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397744910654533632  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397745961654816769Nov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: We’re About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It http://t.co/sGrYbMS2RM #censorship and tired Web (classes)Nov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.com | We're About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It | Wired Opinion | Wired.comNov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How not to deal with whales http://t.co/zOH2vIHocd I guess he won't be getting the 'whale treatment'Nov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theregister.co.uk | Unsung DEAD WHALE EXPLODER hero, who gave the early internet a purpose, passes away • The RegisterNov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steve Wozniak: Apple Should Work With Google and Samsung http://t.co/Pp3S5XF3wP no, thanks, keep #apple out of #androidNov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> mashable.com | Steve Wozniak: Apple Should Work With Google and SamsungNov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden http://t.co/1u6cXiCqj1 he aided the people of the US. Serious offence.Nov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden | Ars TechnicaNov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: New supercomputer uses SSDs as alternative to DRAM, hard drives http://t.co/3keHobtOyy  #server #ssdNov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.pcworld.com | New supercomputer uses SSDs as alternative to DRAM, hard drives | PCWorldNov 05 15:26
schestowitziophk: http://techrights.org/2013/03/28/readwrite-run-by-dan-lyons/Nov 05 15:27
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Pro-Microsoft Rag ReadWrite is Losing the Microsoft Booster Who Ran It, HubSpot Infected Though | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/d75a2 ]Nov 05 15:27
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397747220864569344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397747660188581888Nov 05 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Castex Resolution on Private Copying Must Take Sharing Into Account! http://t.co/AsJr3jv8te #copyright #sharingNov 05 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.laquadrature.net | The Castex Resolution on Private Copying Must Take Sharing Into Account! | La Quadrature du NetNov 05 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "small businesses can easily deploy Apache OpenOffice on their own (75 million downloads testifies to that)" http://t.co/6Eg10edftwNov 05 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.robweir.com | IBM Support for Apache OpenOfficeNov 05 15:33
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iophkAh.  That would explain the position of RWW on FOSS.Nov 05 15:37
schestowitzcool, we just won another gov vontractNov 05 15:39
schestowitzLondon authNov 05 15:39
schestowitzgot the news minutes ago, I visited them last month and made a good impressionNov 05 15:40
schestowitzThis adds to our recent gov.uk wins at the Parliamentary Health Service Ombundsman, Home Office, CESG and some work with the NHS. Also some city councils...Nov 05 15:40
schestowitzFOSS is being adopted by our govt not just in words anymoreNov 05 15:40
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iophkThat's good news.  What is the nature of the contract, if it's public?Nov 05 15:49
schestowitznoNov 05 16:34
schestowitzso I can't say much about itNov 05 16:34
schestowitzor oughtn'tNov 05 16:34
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253174Nov 05 16:34
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/us-officials-say-forget-about-clemency-for-snowden/ he aided the people of the US. Serious offence.Nov 05 16:35
schestowitz"He also aided the allies of the US. Unacceptable!"Nov 05 16:35
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3246000Nov 05 16:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK govt. gets it: Proprietary software combined with built-in microphone and camera = #surveillance and #espionage http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423514/iPads-banned-from-Cabinet-meetings-over-surveillance-fears.htmlNov 05 16:35
schestowitz"Finally!"Nov 05 16:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.telegraph.co.uk | iPads banned from Cabinet meetings over surveillance fears - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fzbr5 ]Nov 05 16:35
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220512Nov 05 16:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The latest spy revelations are threatening to derail a multibillion-pound 'trade' deal..." http://news.sky.com/story/1159396/nsa-spying-germany-demands-talks-with-us good for usNov 05 16:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.sky.com | NSA Spying: Germany Demands Talks With US  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlud ]Nov 05 16:36
schestowitz"If Germany wants to talk with the US, they have only to pick up the phone and call... each other."Nov 05 16:36
schestowitzLOL!Nov 05 16:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3246000Nov 05 16:37
schestowitz"What, does the British not trust the NSA?"Nov 05 16:37
schestowitzTrusting a partner like the White House is like trusting a partner like Microsoft. Ask Germany...Nov 05 16:38
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220395Nov 05 16:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/12/dick-cheney-cancels-toronto-trip-says-canada-is-too-dangerous/ #warcrime #cheney #bush #kissingerNov 05 16:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.nationalpost.com | Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous | National Post  [ http://ur1.ca/fy7yl ]Nov 05 16:38
schestowitz":D"Nov 05 16:38
schestowitzdangerous people call a country "dangerous" when that country is against dangersNov 05 16:39
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220395Nov 05 16:39
schestowitz"We don't need to lock our doors, now that we know Cheney isn't coming any more..."Nov 05 16:40
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220569Nov 05 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CIA: we don't always support terrorists. When we do, they're 'moderate' http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-02/world/42616148_1_u-s-intelligence-analysts-training-program-rebel  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/03/report-cia-ramping-up-covert-training-program-for-syrian-rebels/Nov 05 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr-> articles.washingtonpost.com | CIA ramping up covert training program for moderate Syrian rebels - Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlv8 ]Nov 05 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theblaze.com | Report: CIA Ramping Up Covert Training Program for Syrian Rebels | TheBlaze.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlvb ]Nov 05 16:40
schestowitz"They don't support competing terrorists. Important distinction."Nov 05 16:40
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/11/05/steamos-and-steammachines-could-bring-millions-to-gnulinux/Nov 05 16:50
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | SteamOS And SteamMachines Could Bring Millions to GNU/Linux  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlwf ]Nov 05 16:50
Sosumiand the "usual" is happening againNov 05 16:54
SosumiEU warns poortugal that it may not be able to reach the deficit agreement for this yearNov 05 16:54
Sosumimeanwhile in poortugal, privatly run hospitals (but built with taxpayer money) got a bailout just 2 days agoNov 05 16:55
iophkThe bailout is part of the business plan...Nov 05 16:55
Sosumiand nothing is there to prevent them from getting anotherNov 05 16:56
iophkthen the directors can turn around and give themselves more bonuses for 'saving' the business...Nov 05 16:56
iophkand another and another ...Nov 05 16:56
Sosumiand get some bonuses for the big boysNov 05 16:56
iophknormally when one company takes over the debts of another, it owns that companyNov 05 16:56
iophkif the gov bails out a company or branch, it should own that company or branchNov 05 16:57
Sosumiin a perfect world, yesNov 05 16:57
Sosumibut in that perfect world a private entity wouldn't be left to run hospitals paid by taxpayersNov 05 16:58
Sosumiand reap the beneficts like they doNov 05 16:58
Sosumiand now they need more austerity, because the money they had to pay the interest on the debt, lolNov 05 17:00
Sosumiis goneNov 05 17:00
Sosumiand since nothing stops the facistoid gov from imposing more austerityNov 05 17:00
Sosumiyeah, moral hazardNov 05 17:00
Sosumiactually, these hospitals kind of mimic the charter schools in the USNov 05 17:02
Sosumisimply because public run hospitals compared to these privatly runNov 05 17:03
Sosumione looks like a hospital, the other looks like a luxuary hotelNov 05 17:04
Sosumicourtesy of the usually dupe, the consenting taxpayerNov 05 17:05
iophkso the taxpayer foots the bill either way I guessNov 05 17:07
iophkyet one is touted as a commercial successNov 05 17:07
Sosumithe direction should foot the billNov 05 17:08
Sosumiand see their assets liquidated for their "bad management"Nov 05 17:09
SosumiI guess that would put an end to those top of the line carsNov 05 17:10
iophkthat's the secret of management, no matter how badly they mess up, it's not their faultNov 05 17:10
Sosumithose guys usually ownNov 05 17:10
Sosumiit's the picture they paintNov 05 17:11
Sosumiproblem is the ppl for being so dumbNov 05 17:11
Sosumithat they'll believe in the lies and wathever those private entities through their appointees (politicians) sayNov 05 17:12
Sosumiand when it's election timeNov 05 17:12
Sosumithey'll just vote the last bounch outNov 05 17:13
Sosumiand hope things will go well this time aroundNov 05 17:13
Sosumiso they live in hope for their entire liveNov 05 17:13
iophkisn't one definition of insanity doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results?Nov 05 17:14
Sosumithey're into S&MNov 05 17:15
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Sosumiand it seems that I got a new laptopNov 05 18:44
Sosumiwell, almost new, but at least it was freeNov 05 18:44
Sosumicore 2 duo at 2.93 GHz, 4GB of ram and a GT9600m Nov 05 18:46
Sosumia bit of an improvement from my late compaq armadaNov 05 18:46
DaemonFCnot bad for freeNov 05 18:52
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Sosumiit just needs two 2 new fansNov 05 19:04
Sosumione of them has the bearings wasted, making the fan vibrate a lotNov 05 19:05
Sosumiand also make a lot of noiseNov 05 19:05
Sosumihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvzsBCyp3e0Nov 05 19:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Sunon Fan Failure - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzmg7 ]Nov 05 19:07
Sosumilike that oneNov 05 19:07
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220187Nov 05 19:17
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Defense One" (pro-war) is trying to say that #drones that lack human intervention/judgment are more 'secure' http://qz.com/133321/the-most-secure-drones-will-be-able-to-kill-without-human-controllers/Nov 05 19:17
TechrightsBot-tr-> qz.com | The most secure drones will be able to kill without human controllers  –  Quartz  [ http://ur1.ca/fy8e6 ]Nov 05 19:17
schestowitz"The biggest block to full military tyranny has always been that soldiers are human beings who, despite attempts to train it out of them, are capable of independent thought, and thus judging the morality and legality of their orders and disobeying them. The push for drones and automated mobile weaponry is an attempt to destroy that block. When you have a military that is 100% unquestioning and trusted by it's masters, all kinds of Nov 05 19:17
schestowitzabominations become available that aren't if you need to convince the average GI that you're doing the right thing."Nov 05 19:17
schestowitz"Drones also don't have parents who can lead campaigns against your government, and video of drones coming back damaged from war are unlikely to have the same impact on the public that television footage of dead Americans coming back from Vietnam did in the Vietnam war."Nov 05 19:17
schestowitz"All of this is little reassurance for people being blown to bits in front of loved ones, right now, by drones, or for the American people when their weapons start being unleashed at protests in the US."Nov 05 19:18
schestowitzThat's already happening. The FBI confirmed using drones (mostly to spy) and Dorner was almost targetted with a drone strike in the US. At least 5 USians were killed abroad with drone strikes, most of them by accident.Nov 05 19:19
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Sosumiyes, autonomous dronesNov 05 19:23
Sosumifinally the "people" will be able to crash one in some politician's faceNov 05 19:24
Sosuminot that hyjacking the controls wasn't feasable or exploiting it's onboard sensorsNov 05 19:25
Sosumikind of like iran didNov 05 19:25
Sosumiwill the drones also hate us for our freedoms and liberties when one crashes against an airliner?Nov 05 19:27
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iophk"Dorner was almost targetted with a drone strike in the US"Nov 05 19:57
iophkso that may have been one of the reasons the cops ordered all the media out of the area?Nov 05 19:57
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schestowitzthyey set him on fireNov 05 20:17
schestowitznobody knows how exactlyNov 05 20:17
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schestowitzvould be rpg evenNov 05 20:17
schestowitzwooden homeNov 05 20:18
schestowitznot napalm/mortarNov 05 20:18
schestowitz!google waco bombingNov 05 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siegeNov 05 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - WACO BOMBING COVERUP! CNN FOOTAGE CROPPED 4/18/13 ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMoHuR-1Tk5kNov 05 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Meet the Man Who Witnessed Both the Boston Bombing and the ... | http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/meet-man-who-witnessed-both-boston-bombing-and-waco-explosion/64377/Nov 05 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Boston Marathon Explosion, Waco Raid, Oklahoma City Bombing All ... | http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/boston-marathon-explosion-waco-raid-oklahoma-city-bombing-all-happened-in-april/Nov 05 20:18
schestowitzus population as enemyNov 05 20:19
schestowitz:The Branch Davidians, a Christian[5] sect led by David Koresh, lived at Mount Carmel Center ranch in the community of Elk, Texas,[6][7] nine miles (14 kilometers) east-northeast of Waco. The group was suspected of weapons violations and a search and arrest warrant was obtained."Nov 05 20:19
schestowitz"During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center and 76 men, women, and children,[8][9] including David Koresh, died."Nov 05 20:20
schestowitz"Controversy ensued over the origin of the fire; a government investigation concluded in 2000 that sect members themselves had started the fire at the time of the attack."Nov 05 20:20
schestowitzsounds like BSNov 05 20:20
schestowitz"women, and children,"Nov 05 20:21
schestowitz"David Koresh is interviewed by CNN. The FBI instructs CNN not to conduct further interviews."Nov 05 20:22
schestowitzdorner parallelsNov 05 20:22
schestowitzhe diedNov 05 20:22
schestowitz"Law enforcement source says David Koresh is dead."Nov 05 20:23
schestowitz"Cyrus Koresh, 8, American"Nov 05 20:23
schestowitz"Nicole Gent Little, 24, Australian, pregnant"Nov 05 20:24
schestowitz"Dayland Lord Gent, 3, Australian[72]"Nov 05 20:24
Sosumidavid koresh? wasn't that the waco guy?Nov 05 20:35
schestowitzscroll up for contextNov 05 20:36
Sosumi*facepalm*Nov 05 20:36
Sosumishould have maximized the windowNov 05 20:36
schestowitzwe came to this through discussion of US/CIA drone strikes and Michael DornerNov 05 20:36
schestowitzhttp://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50140955nNov 05 20:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.cbsnews.com | Dorner standoff ends in shootout, fire - CBS News Video  [ http://ur1.ca/fzmwq ]Nov 05 20:37
schestowitz!google dorner standoffNov 05 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Police in Christopher Dorner standoff launched incendiary tear gas ... | http://nypost.com/2013/02/14/police-in-christopher-dorner-standoff-launched-incendiary-tear-gas-into-cabin/Nov 05 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Dorner standoff ends in shootout, fire - CBS News Video | http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/%3Fid%3D50140955nNov 05 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - San Bernardino County Sheriff On Chris Dorner Standoff: 'This Is A ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/san-bernardino-county-sheriff-chris-dorner_n_2916069.htmlNov 05 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Christopher Dorner: stand-off ends with cabin in flames - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9866716/Christopher-Dorner-stand-off-ends-with-cabin-in-flames.htmlNov 05 20:37
schestowitzUS makes even Russia look civilNov 05 20:37
schestowitz(today's US)Nov 05 20:37
Sosumiindeed :(Nov 05 20:39
Sosumiand what about that 20 years guy from the latest shooting?Nov 05 20:39
Sosumiít's like there's one every weekNov 05 20:39
Sosumiand usually the guy goes gun ho, shoots a couple of ppl and then he's killed or kills himselfNov 05 20:40
schestowitzlike the nacy incidents?Nov 05 20:41
Sosuminacy?Nov 05 20:41
schestowitzor yard shootings?Nov 05 20:41
schestowitzso many guns around, even automaticNov 05 20:41
SosumiI was alluring to the LAX shooter and mall shooters recentlyNov 05 20:42
Sosumi*which happened recentlyNov 05 20:43
Sosumito the gerard laughner and the boston bombingsNov 05 20:43
Sosumiwhen the guys aren't killed, they usually show up like they're not even the same guyNov 05 20:44
Sosumisome well, the tsarnaev guy, aside all the smelly stories put around by the establishment media,Nov 05 20:45
Sosumithe guy got one of those air tubes on the neck just to prevent him from talkingNov 05 20:46
Sosumiand what actually protected him was from the deranged shooting by the cops was the engine block of the boad he was hidding inNov 05 20:46
Sosumitsarnaev kind of sounds like framingNov 05 20:47
Sosumibut the others and random shootings smells to mk-ultraNov 05 20:48
Sosumiand folks with mental issues, which in turn makes them highly suggestableNov 05 20:48
Sosumiand we all know, or should consider as true, that some psychologist work with the intelligence services in order to recruit, by the power of suggestion, those dudesNov 05 20:50
Sosumikind of like the UFO fenomenaNov 05 20:50
Sosumiwhen shows like coast to coast and others talk about UFO and alien abductions, etcNov 05 20:51
Sosumiwell, it's a suggestion that is being placed in your mindNov 05 20:51
Sosumiso it's only natural, that you might end up dreaming about itNov 05 20:52
Sosumilil green man or reptilian, lawl, doing zee experiments that only herr doktor mendelle would be proud ofNov 05 20:52
Sosumiand then, those thinking they have been "abducted" go and seek a psychologistNov 05 20:53
Sosumiusually out of a list of "recomended" psychologistsNov 05 20:53
Sosumiand that means CIA approved psychologistsNov 05 20:54
Sosumiso what's stipping them from planting more suggestions on them and/or leaving them more psychology brokenNov 05 20:55
Sosumi*stoppingNov 05 20:55
Sosumiactually, nothingNov 05 20:55
Sosumiand so, when someone sees an experimental aircraft or something on those linesNov 05 20:55
Sosumiand calls it an UFO (unidentified flying object), he's ridiculized and the pre-programmed idea of ETs jumps in and the message that was first trying to be transmited is dismissed into laugherNov 05 20:57
Sosumiedd bernays should be proud :)Nov 05 20:58
Sosumiand I was just not referring to coast to coast am and those "truther" talk radioNov 05 21:01
Sosumibut also to mudstream preachers like david ikeNov 05 21:01
Sosumiwhich just regurgitate Helena Blavatski crapNov 05 21:02
Sosumi*regurgitatesNov 05 21:02
Sosumiactually, btw Blavatski's Lucis (from Lucifer aka intellect) Trust is an UN adviserNov 05 21:04
Sosumihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucis_TrustNov 05 21:04
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Lucis Trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 05 21:04
Sosumi"The Lucis Trust has consultative status (roster level) with the United Nations Economic and Social Council."Nov 05 21:05
Sosumibut it's all conspiracy, everything is OK, there's no secret CABALNov 05 21:06
Sosuminor a Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented LifeformNov 05 21:07
Sosumi:)Nov 05 21:08
SosumiJap gov giving free new houses away for folks who wish to go backNov 05 21:13
Sosumiapocalyptic tourism in Ukraine gives place to apocalyptic living in japanNov 05 21:14
Sosumiand I mean, back to fukushima prefectureNov 05 21:15
schestowitzhttp://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/showallphotos.aspx?imo=9321160#top_photoNov 05 21:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.marinetraffic.com | Error in MarineTraffic application  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn5i ]Nov 05 21:23
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_oil_spillNov 05 21:25
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Gulf War oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/zyld ]Nov 05 21:25
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IXTOC_I_oil_well_blowout.jpgNov 05 21:26
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | File:IXTOC I oil well blowout.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn5v ]Nov 05 21:26
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spillsNov 05 21:27
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of oil spills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/zyla ]Nov 05 21:27
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_testsNov 05 21:28
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of nuclear weapons tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn68 ]Nov 05 21:28
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weaponsNov 05 21:30
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of nuclear weapons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn6k ]Nov 05 21:30
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_explosionsNov 05 21:31
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of nuclear weapons tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn6t ]Nov 05 21:31
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Sosumihttp://rt.com/usa/washington-no-gmo-labeling-282/Nov 06 05:42
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fzoyy ]Nov 06 05:42
SosumiGMO labelingNov 06 05:42
Sosumiyeah, eat poison without even knowing itNov 06 05:42
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/11/06/not-again-ms-os-executes-data-in-images/Nov 06 06:26
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Not Again! M$’s OS Executes Data In Images…  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fzp5p ]Nov 06 06:26
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iophkhttp://www.networkcomputing.com/data-networking-management/linux-desktop-in-the-enterprise-ubuntu-v/240163564Nov 06 08:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.networkcomputing.com | Linux Desktop In The Enterprise: Ubuntu Vs. Windows - Network  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpnr ]Nov 06 08:51
iophkhttp://www.techrepublic.com/blog/apple-in-the-enterprise/three-signs-youre-drinking-the-microsoft-kool-aid/Nov 06 08:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.techrepublic.com | Three signs you’re drinking the Microsoft Kool-Aid - TechRepublic  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpob ]Nov 06 08:54
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED7_y4jETo0Nov 06 08:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | American Beauty - Dinner Scene - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpod ]Nov 06 08:55
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJh5wdvdfVENov 06 09:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | American Beauty Kevin Spacey applies for job drive through - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpp4 ]Nov 06 09:00
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd4fj9Efl4sNov 06 09:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Office Space Milton stapler original - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzps7 ]Nov 06 09:11
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/european-examples-make-case-open-source-vietnamNov 06 09:18
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | European examples make case for open source in Vietnam | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/fzptb ]Nov 06 09:18
schestowitzhttp://www.walkingbutterfly.com/2010/12/22/when-you-kill-ten-million-africans-you-arent-called-hitler/Nov 06 09:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.walkingbutterfly.com | When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’ : Diary of a Walking Butterfly  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpvv ]Nov 06 09:34
MinceRgeekingsNov 06 09:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398021561644752896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398021820483252226  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398022590905978880Nov 06 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency http://t.co/6bnQ9PsVgR #nz broke the law, not legalises itNov 06 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> thinkprogress.org | New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency | ThinkProgressNov 06 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Washington votes against GMO labeling – preliminary results http://t.co/0pxIAA5QnK corporations always get their way. #us #gmoNov 06 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Chomsky Attacks Rush to "Destroy the Environment as Fast as Possible" with Fracking and Tar Sands  http://t.co/tztkh4cxC0 #energyNov 06 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.alternet.org | Chomsky Attacks Rush to "Destroy the Environment as Fast as Possible" with Fracking and Tar Sands | AlternetNov 06 09:45
DaemonFChttp://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/247081/slide_247081_1434657_free.jpg?1346096194000Nov 06 09:55
DaemonFCuhhhmNov 06 09:55
iophkschestowitz: don't forget there's also "mountain topping"Nov 06 09:55
iophkthat's destroying the face of the planet thoroughly where it happens and often poisons the surface water as part of the dealNov 06 09:56
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/04/deadly-spiders-supermarket-bananas-_n_4214464.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopularNov 06 09:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Deadly Spiders Found On Supermarket Bananas Force British Family To Flee Home  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq05 ]Nov 06 09:59
DaemonFCI don't remember asking for these on my corn flakes.Nov 06 09:59
iophkhttp://www.mountainjusticesummer.org/facts/steps.phpNov 06 10:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.mountainjusticesummer.org | Mountain Justice - What is Mountain Top Removal Mining?  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq0c ]Nov 06 10:01
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QmQ0OaIVCUNov 06 10:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Family guy - Peter is a shark - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq0o ]Nov 06 10:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398025710369267712  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398026048191086592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398026335836454912  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398026653278171136Nov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Before monotheism with an anonymous nameless, authority took power http://t.co/b62jKcLsm4 https://t.co/19HucqthpyNov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> thepsychoemoreport.tumblr.com | lunar-rayne:  ”..The God Graveyard, old gods that... | Psycho Emo ReportNov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> en.wikipedia.org | Monotheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: European examples make case for open source in Vietnam  https://t.co/D1zcRwCPHw #microsoft can easily bribe themNov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Any news yet about US investigation (preferably outcome) into #Microsoft #bribery in several nations (for gov. contracts)?Nov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Three signs you’re drinking the #Microsoft Kool-Aid http://t.co/7MngJM7mGi for some, it's about taking bribes, including #nokiaNov 06 10:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398027086293921792 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398027282306306048Nov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ballmer left Microsoft, which makes it unlikely he will ever go to prison for bribery and racketeering. Gates afraid to return full-time.Nov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Linux Desktop In The Enterprise: Ubuntu Vs. Windows http://t.co/F64t12JqPv why just Ubuntu? #gnu #linux has many good distrosNov 06 10:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398028776455827456Nov 06 10:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The technical argument over Free software (versus proprietary) was won decade ago.With cash cows down, #Microsoft struggles to #bribe now.Nov 06 10:08
schestowitziophk: good linksNov 06 10:08
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/op-ed-a-critique-of-lavabit/Nov 06 10:16
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Op-ed: Lavabit’s primary security claim wasn’t actually true | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq2y ]Nov 06 10:16
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253492Nov 06 10:32
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/79330.htmlNov 06 10:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxinsider.com | Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo | Smartphones | LinuxInsider  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq6n ]Nov 06 10:32
schestowitz"I wonder how it would run with #replicant?"Nov 06 10:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398035287169056768Nov 06 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Ladar Levison stood up for users' privacy—but perhaps a little too late." http://t.co/pCRQPUz30UNov 06 10:35
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253174Nov 06 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/us-officials-say-forget-about-clemency-for-snowden/ he aided the people of the US. Serious offence.Nov 06 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfhr ]Nov 06 10:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253361Nov 06 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tuxmachines Tentatively Sold to Techrights http://fossforce.com/2013/11/tuxmachines-tentatively-sold/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tuxmachines-tentatively-sold will finalise the transfer soon, will make the site activeNov 06 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> fossforce.com | Tuxmachines Tentatively Sold to Techrights - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlpr ]Nov 06 10:43
schestowitz"Congratulations."Nov 06 10:43
schestowitz"I doubt Snowden even expected a favorable response. Which implies he made the request for some other reason. I would like to learn more about what that reason is."Nov 06 10:44
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253099Nov 06 10:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Embrace, destroy, spy: Microsoft "shutting down all third-party access to its desktop API at the end of the year" http://www.infoworld.com/t/application-development/microsoft-kills-skype-third-party-tools-the-desktop-230101Nov 06 10:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.infoworld.com | Microsoft kills Skype third-party tools for the desktop | Application development - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzko7 ]Nov 06 10:45
schestowitz"I use Jitsi now, but it only seems to record audio, not video. So true regarding recording. Currently I only use Skype for business things that get posted publicly on YouTube anyway, so they're not getting anything they couldn't just by visiting YouTube anyway. Still, I'd really prefer not to give $k¥p€ any of my money though. The day Jitsi can record the video to a high quality file without having to have the window on top of Nov 06 10:45
schestowitzevery other window, I'll gladly be uninstalling that invasive little piece of... software."Nov 06 10:45
schestowitzjitsi with gtkrecordmydesktop is still an option, though the quality would be low.Nov 06 10:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253290Nov 06 10:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Every Apple-related product I use has been crippled in important ways."    http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/65697513808/on-the-pathological-way-apple-deals-with-its-customers simple solution: stop buying #appleNov 06 10:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> lessig.tumblr.com | Lessig Blog, v2  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq9e ]Nov 06 10:47
schestowitz"He asks for decency from the indecent. Non free software has always been an injustice."Nov 06 10:47
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/Moh_sophy/status/359449899475021824/photo/1Nov 06 10:56
TechrightsBot-tr@Moh_sophy: مؤتمر حول "حقوق المرأة" في المملكة العربية السعودية http://t.co/cY6HYFymhvNov 06 10:56
TechrightsBot-tr@Moh_sophy: مؤتمر حول "حقوق المرأة" في المملكة العربية السعودية http://t.co/cY6HYFymhvNov 06 10:56
Sosumisaudi conference about the rights of womenNov 06 10:56
Sosumibut only attended by man in dragNov 06 10:56
iophkoxymoron?Nov 06 10:56
SosumiI don't know, I just laught when in the KSA man dance like women because there are no women in their partiesNov 06 10:58
Sosumiactually, they're in a separate room...Nov 06 10:59
Sosumihttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9d3_1314743779Nov 06 11:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.liveleak.com | LiveLeak.com - Exclusive Saudi Arabia Gay Party  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqb5 ]Nov 06 11:00
SosumilawlNov 06 11:00
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Sosumiand news from poortugal, portuguese gov is going to create an entity to regulate the entity that regulates the prices of gasNov 06 11:04
Sosumilike if we didn't know that refineries fix prices and pass some nice paychecks to the regulators of those competition agenciesNov 06 11:06
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/amd-stomps-nvidia-with-r9-290-at-least-in-reviews/Nov 06 11:13
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | AMD stomps Nvidia with R9 290… at least in reviews | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqdc ]Nov 06 11:13
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Sosumigpu reaching 94º CNov 06 11:13
Sosumiand fan barelly managing to copeNov 06 11:14
Sosuminow imagine the cooling system of the buttplug pro (new mac pro)Nov 06 11:14
iophkThey can be rack mounted : http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/70032451/Nov 06 11:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.ikea.com | HUTTEN 9-bottle wine rack - IKEA  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqeh ]Nov 06 11:17
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iophkhiNov 06 12:39
sebsebsebiophk: hiNov 06 12:40
oiaohmzentyal is upto something interesting.Nov 06 12:47
oiaohmIntergrated exchange replacement by the end of 2014Nov 06 12:47
oiaohmYes one that accepts outlook clientsNov 06 12:48
iophkinteresting.  will it be able to lose mail as effectively? :>Nov 06 12:48
iophkIs there a link to the announcement?  I'm not seeing anything in the news.Nov 06 12:49
oiaohmiophk: unlikely to lose mail thinking it will be still using lots of the traditional tried and tested Unix storage methods.Nov 06 12:49
iophkOk.  Maybe the lost mail will be some add-on module where you can set the percentage yourself.  Nov 06 12:50
oiaohmiophk: there are two youtube videos.Nov 06 12:50
oiaohmiophk: one showing the tech preview.Nov 06 12:50
iophkAny written descriptions of it?Nov 06 12:53
oiaohmhttp://www.zentyal.org/2013/10/zentyal-launches-the-only-native-microsoft-exchange-replacement/Nov 06 12:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.zentyal.org | News - Zentyal launches the only native Microsoft Exchange replacement | Linux Small Business Server  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqtk ]Nov 06 12:54
iophkThxNov 06 12:54
oiaohmiophk: its a combination of openchange samba4 and sogo and a few other techs.Nov 06 12:54
oiaohmiophk: Outlook 2003 will be supported fully in the decmeber 3.3 release target is there goal.Nov 06 12:55
oiaohmie dec this year.Nov 06 12:55
iophkThere have been Citadel and Kolab but I don't know if they work with those awful Outlook clientsNov 06 12:55
oiaohmthen threw 2014 working up into 2007....Nov 06 12:55
oiaohmCitadel and kolab you have to put plugins into outlook.Nov 06 12:56
oiaohmthat break very often due to MS updates.Nov 06 12:56
iophkI've seen Outlook.  It's not a good mail client at all.Nov 06 12:56
iophkA lot of 90's clients have it beat.Nov 06 12:57
oiaohmThis plan is also evily transparent.Nov 06 12:57
iophkIt will still be a hard sell.  Nov 06 12:58
oiaohmSince zentyal can pretend to be exchange with ADS and all.Nov 06 12:58
oiaohmYou can migrate 1 mail box at a time off a windows server to it.Nov 06 12:58
iophkSamba4 is apparently good at that.Nov 06 12:58
oiaohmWithout clients noticing.Nov 06 12:58
iophkThat is a useful capabilityNov 06 12:58
oiaohmRemeber windows 2003 is going end of life in 2014Nov 06 12:59
iophkdoesn't Exchange charge per-seat with CALs or something?Nov 06 12:59
oiaohmExactly.Nov 06 12:59
oiaohmAnd zentyal does not.Nov 06 12:59
iophkHow will Zentyal get the word out?  The press won't cover non-M$ productsNov 06 12:59
oiaohmiophk: that is why I mentioned it here.Nov 06 13:00
iophkNice.Nov 06 13:00
oiaohmMore people aware more it will spreed.Nov 06 13:00
oiaohmOne of the developers at zentyal is one of the founding developers of openchange.Nov 06 13:00
iophkThat's a lot of relevant experienceNov 06 13:01
iophkto have in the new project.Nov 06 13:01
oiaohmiophk: its not exactly new.Nov 06 13:01
oiaohmThey started in 2002-2003 attempting to clone exhange without documentation.Nov 06 13:02
oiaohmBasically after all this time they are in the final stage of taking it commerial.Nov 06 13:02
iophkIt takes a long time.  Even if M$ has documentation, it tends to be incomplete or wrong.Nov 06 13:03
iophkJust ask the Samba team or anyone trying OOXMLNov 06 13:03
oiaohmiophk: openchange two other core members come from Samba.Nov 06 13:04
iophkWith Exchange 2003 going EOL, they probably won't have time to release a "patch" to break ZentyalNov 06 13:04
iophkMakes sense, the reverse engineering backgrounds would be of use.Nov 06 13:04
oiaohmreally MS cannot.Nov 06 13:04
oiaohmEU forces micorosft to release all protocal information include exchanges.Nov 06 13:04
oiaohmThey are in the test casing stage.Nov 06 13:05
iophkM$ hasn't cared about compliance  in the past though.Nov 06 13:05
oiaohmAny alteration with be a EU foul costing Microsoft many more billions in fines.Nov 06 13:05
oiaohmiophk: they have with the EU.Nov 06 13:05
iophkThe fines would be delayed and might be deemed worth it if M$ can keep or extend marketshare in the servers.Nov 06 13:06
oiaohmiophk: EU has the right due to pior anti-trust cases in the USA to cease USA assets for force complance.Nov 06 13:06
iophkThat would be good if it happened.Nov 06 13:06
oiaohmiophk: that is the big problem.Nov 06 13:06
oiaohmiophk: EU can choose to take the billions in direct core assets.Nov 06 13:06
iophkI think anything short of a full ban on sales for 2 years would be ineffective.Nov 06 13:07
iophkRight now M$ has money or the illusion of money but needs the monopoly moreNov 06 13:07
oiaohmiophk: you are aware Microsoft runs compadiblely workshops with samba even paying for the samba personal to attend.Nov 06 13:07
iophka ban would go to the heart of the monopolyNov 06 13:07
oiaohmsince the EU cases.Nov 06 13:07
iophkworse it would force alternatives to get usedNov 06 13:08
iophkand then word would get out.Nov 06 13:08
oiaohmWhat the EU has done is kinda worse.Nov 06 13:08
oiaohmExactly EU goal.Nov 06 13:08
oiaohmCompadibliy makes migration simple.Nov 06 13:08
oiaohmiophk: remember Microsoft also no longer makers SBS server.Nov 06 13:09
oiaohmThat people using 2003 had.Nov 06 13:09
iophkI haven't followed the versions.  I've seen some in attempted use but they have all been fail when push comes to shove.Nov 06 13:13
iophkThey work well enough for a demo but fail in real life situations.Nov 06 13:14
iophkBut then that's all that counts: the sales demoNov 06 13:14
oiaohmiophk: zentyal is not new either.  It started life as ebox platform.Nov 06 13:26
oiaohmIts basically been slowly growing it market share over the years.Nov 06 13:26
iophkThis may give it a big boost.Nov 06 13:29
oiaohmTiming is critical.Nov 06 13:42
oiaohmYou also have to remember the NSA mess is also playing on companies minds as well.Nov 06 13:42
iophkYes, there is a window of opportunity.  NSA and M$ will try to drag things out though.Nov 06 13:43
iophkWhat has Pogson said about it so far?Nov 06 13:43
iophkHe might be eager, especially if there is a Debian port.  ;)Nov 06 13:43
oiaohmsharepoint is not a major barrior due to alfresco.Nov 06 13:46
iophkI don't understand the purpose of Painpoint.Nov 06 13:46
oiaohmThis is the problem most of the common services business use will be provided.Nov 06 13:46
iophkAside from the purpose of soaking up incredible amounts of staff time both users and support staff.Nov 06 13:47
oiaohmsharepoint gain is its intergration.Nov 06 13:47
oiaohmalfresco stablity kinda kicks it ass.Nov 06 13:47
iophkYeah it's tied to just about every M$ product under the sun but what does it do beside burn time?Nov 06 13:47
iophkIt's not really a CMS.  It's not really document management.  It's not really storage.Nov 06 13:49
oiaohmiophk: to be correct sharepoint is ment todo documentation management and cms.Nov 06 13:55
oiaohmiophk: but due to defects is kinda bad.Nov 06 13:55
oiaohmiophk: the ideal good but as with all Microsoft stuff the implemetnation is bad.Nov 06 13:56
oiaohmiophk: http://www.zentyal.org/2013/10/zentyal-seeking-to-hire-cc-developers/  yes zentyal is more than serous about pulling of the features.Nov 06 13:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.zentyal.org | News - Zentyal seeking to hire C/C++ Developers | Linux Small Business Server  [ http://ur1.ca/fzr0j ]Nov 06 13:59
MinceRthat arse technica article on lavabit misses the pointNov 06 14:04
MinceRalso, it doesn't state anything new about the way it workedNov 06 14:04
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iophkhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-05/google-s-8th-ranked-lobbying-machine-takes-on-spy-debate.htmlNov 06 14:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.bloomberg.com | Google’s 8th Ranked Lobbying Machine Takes on Spy Debate - Bloomberg  [ http://ur1.ca/fzr7d ]Nov 06 14:40
iophkhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2013/11/05/googles-schmidt-dismisses-the-threat-of-social-mocks-microsoft-speaks-of-the-nsa-leaks/Nov 06 14:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Google's Schmidt Dismisses The Threat Of Social, Mocks Microsoft, Speaks Of The NSA Leaks - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fzr8z ]Nov 06 14:50
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iophkhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2426807,00.aspNov 06 15:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcmag.com | Infographic: A Snapshot of Internet Use in Africa | News & Opinion  | PCMag.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzrgx ]Nov 06 15:35
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iophkoldish - http://bsdly.blogspot.fi/2011/02/problem-isnt-email-its-microsoft.htmlNov 06 18:36
TechrightsBot-trbsdly.blogspot.fi | That grumpy BSD guy: The Problem Isn't Email, It's Microsoft Exchange  [ http://ur1.ca/fzsbg ]Nov 06 18:36
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sebsebsebhi again iophkNov 06 19:09
sebsebsebjono:  no show?Nov 06 19:09
sebsebsebhi MinceRNov 06 19:09
MinceRhayNov 06 19:10
sebsebsebMinceR: hmm I have put Open Suse in my suggested idea for the event, when it comes to distro's and interfacesNov 06 19:10
sebsebsebfor Mageia and Open Suse to both show  KDE and GNOME that isNov 06 19:10
MinceR193701 <@iophk> oldish - http://bsdly.blogspot.fi/2011/02/problem-isnt-email-its-microsoft.htmlNov 06 19:11
MinceRso trueNov 06 19:11
MinceRoutlock still fails at quotingNov 06 19:11
iophkYep and AFAIK at threadingNov 06 19:11
MinceR(and search, and standards compliance, and everything there is)Nov 06 19:11
MinceRi didn't even try to get it to threadNov 06 19:11
iophkthere are so many features it was lacking, might still be lacking, that were available in real mail clients back at the end of the 1990'sNov 06 19:12
iophkThen Windows itself (botnets) causes spam.Nov 06 19:12
MinceRhell, that piece of shit delivered my mail to Deleted Items for a week and when i tried to move it to Inbox it just deleted them allNov 06 19:12
iophkYes even basic functions fail.Nov 06 19:13
iophkThink of all the intra-office fights that have started over missing mail.Nov 06 19:13
MinceRand the fact that this piece of shit uses two different formats to store your mail depending on whether you want it to delete mail from the "server" on download or notNov 06 19:14
MinceRboth of them nonstandard, of courseNov 06 19:14
MinceRand multipart messages are torn apart and stored that wayNov 06 19:14
MinceRwithout any way to restore the original formNov 06 19:14
iophksebsebseb: hi againNov 06 19:14
MinceRthen there's AD, which forgets passwordsNov 06 19:15
iophkAD is slooowNov 06 19:15
iophkIt has also broken Kerberos apparentlyNov 06 19:15
MinceRit has broken everythingNov 06 19:16
iophkThunderbird needs work tooNov 06 19:18
MinceRyes, backing out the recent fuckups, especially in the uiNov 06 19:19
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iophkAnd something in the profile keeps getting corrupted.Nov 06 19:20
iophkI can't search message bodies now.  Could a few minutes ago.Nov 06 19:20
MinceRat least they already fixed the search UINov 06 19:20
MinceRit was utterly horrid when it could only generate an html-like result pageNov 06 19:21
MinceRinstead of properly filtering the listNov 06 19:21
iophkWhen it works, it works ok.Nov 06 19:22
MinceR"It all comes down to the shortsightedness or intellectual shallowness of Microsoft Exchange's designers, way back then."Nov 06 19:22
MinceRi think it comes down to the people forcing this crap on usNov 06 19:23
MinceRthe m$ people bribing and forcing people to buy and use this crap and the efforts of the m$ cultNov 06 19:23
iophkthose that do it for free against the interests of their employers are a puzzleNov 06 19:25
iophkthere is no gain for themNov 06 19:25
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iophkThunderbird defaults to top-quoting messages now.  That sucks.Nov 06 19:27
MinceRi just tend to type a greeting on the top and answers below the appropriate quoted lineNov 06 19:28
MinceRwhen i have the option of using a mail client that works, that isNov 06 19:28
MinceRin outlock, if you add a newline in the quoted part, it just puts the quote bar in front of the new lineNov 06 19:28
iophkThat's common from Usenet and some mailing lists.Nov 06 19:29
iophkIt's also important to trim the quoted text to just the relevant bits.Nov 06 19:29
MinceRindeedNov 06 19:29
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iophkold - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/02/icloud_runs_on_microsoft_azure_and_amazon/Nov 06 19:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Apple's iCloud runs on Microsoft and Amazon services • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/50gl0 ]Nov 06 19:52
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/06/yasser-arafat-poisoned-polonium-tests-scientistsNov 06 20:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Yasser Arafat may have been poisoned with polonium, tests show | World news | The Guardian  [ http://ur1.ca/fzsob ]Nov 06 20:10
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sebsebsebiophk: hmm maybe a Mint only event woudn't be so bad?Nov 06 20:18
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sebsebsebiophk: I did a suggesiton trying to include everything, MInt guy didn't seem to agree or understand properlyNov 06 20:18
sebsebsebI am just thinking maybe a Mint event is the way to go if can't have Mageia since hwateverNov 06 20:18
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/got-38000-burning-a-hole-in-your-pocket-why-not-buy-a-dota-2-courier-with-it/Nov 06 21:13
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Got $38,000 burning a hole in your pocket? Why not buy a Dota 2 courier with it? | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzswr ]Nov 06 21:13
Sosumiprobably paid with a stollen credit cardNov 06 21:13
Sosumibut stuff like this, vanity items, alongside dlc are what made me stay way from gaming after "gaming" went mainstream this genNov 06 21:15
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Nov 06 22:01
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 06 22:01
DaemonFChttp://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/13/11/06/206228/blockbuster-to-close-remaining-us-locationsNov 06 22:01
TechrightsBot-trentertainment.slashdot.org | Blockbuster To Close Remaining US Locations - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fzt48 ]Nov 06 22:01
DaemonFCI feel sorry for the people who will lose their jobs because there are no longer physical rental locations.Nov 06 22:01
DaemonFCThe widespread and unethical practice of licensing movies with Digital Restrictions Malware and patent-encumbered multimedia codecs will continue, and the MAFIAA gangsters will not lower prices, so on the whole, this is a bad thing.Nov 06 22:01
DaemonFCA job as a video store clerk is not a good job, but it is a job. The money these corporations save will go into the pockets of the rich instead.Nov 06 22:01
DaemonFCThat's why, when I shop at a store with self-checkouts, I walk past them and loudly say "When you use these machines, you are putting Americans out of work.".Nov 06 22:01
DaemonFCThe fact that so few workers are needed in the modern economy is enough justification for a Basic Income program that all citizens are eligible to receive, which would guarantee a modest standard of living, and a population control initiative to correct for the current unnecessary population growth.Nov 06 22:01
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/CHT6nvG.jpgNov 06 22:09
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Sosumihttp://motherboard.vice.com/blog/what-apple-does-and-doesnt-know-about-youNov 07 05:56
TechrightsBot-trmotherboard.vice.com | Apple Says It Isn't Interested in Your Data: Here's What Apple Does and Doesn't Know About You | Motherboard  [ http://ur1.ca/fzuzh ]Nov 07 05:56
Sosumigoogle and facebook are because the user is the productNov 07 05:57
Sosumibut to avoid all that, that's for what android open source is forNov 07 05:58
Sosumihttp://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2013/11/06/microsoft-starts-donating-windows-8-1-nonprofit-organizations-public-libraries/Nov 07 05:58
TechrightsBot-trthenextweb.com | Microsoft Gives Windows 8.1 to Nonprofit Organizations  [ http://ur1.ca/fzuzl ]Nov 07 05:58
SosumiI can attest that the Brotherhood of Nod is yet to receive its copyNov 07 05:59
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DaemonFChttp://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-our-country/63799/Nov 07 07:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.theatlanticwire.com | 12 Million Americans Believe Lizard People Run Our Country - Philip Bump - The Atlantic Wire  [ http://ur1.ca/fzver ]Nov 07 07:30
DaemonFC5% of Obama voters believe he's the antichrist and voted for him anyway?Nov 07 07:32
DaemonFC:)Nov 07 07:33
MinceR:)Nov 07 07:36
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10431337/Edward-Snowden-leaks-could-help-paedophiles-escape-police-says-government.htmlNov 07 08:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Edward Snowden leaks could help paedophiles escape police, says government - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fzv4i ]Nov 07 08:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253492Nov 07 09:11
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/79330.htmlNov 07 09:11
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxinsider.com | Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo | Smartphones | LinuxInsider  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq6n ]Nov 07 09:11
schestowitz"i wonder how it would run with #SailfishOS!"Nov 07 09:11
schestowitzMinceR: http://img8.joyreactor.com/pics/post/gif-pope-boy-chair-940988.gifNov 07 09:12
schestowitzhe wants to do in on the chairNov 07 09:12
schestowitziophk: cheers, good morningNov 07 09:12
iophkMorningNov 07 09:12
iophkFreeBSD was released 1 Nov, 20 years ago.Nov 07 09:21
iophkif Wikipedia is accurate.Nov 07 09:22
schestowitziophk: cheers, good morning https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398380159247851521Nov 07 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: War http://t.co/VCgANsFdNmNov 07 09:24
schestowitz oops, pressed up :/Nov 07 09:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398379785812197376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398379315622346752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398378060485251072  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398377289052082176  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398376594697637888Nov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Talking while driving http://t.co/ED7cpY5ZX4Nov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "The media coverage of the war in Syria examines only military, diplomatic and humanitarian action." http://t.co/JNsvJAJDfONov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.voltairenet.org | Syria has Changed | " Before our eyes "Nov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Latest #techbytes episode: Richard Stallman on Free Labour in Prisons http://t.co/4pMc0DAsus more to come this month, about 7 parts...Nov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Richard Stallman on Free Labour in PrisonsNov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Think about the children! Hate Snowden http://t.co/T2njpWDnUh our government is getting patheticNov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Today is the official launch of Trends Right, dozens of products to be added later today http://t.co/MZeoixYEZnNov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | Trends Right » Fashion for AllNov 07 09:25
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iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/2013/11/fedora-10-years-leading-linux-development/15594Nov 07 09:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Fedora - 10 years of leading Linux development | Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/fzvyb ]Nov 07 09:30
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MinceRschestowitz: poor kid doesn't realize what danger he's inNov 07 09:44
MinceRgeekingsNov 07 09:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398381159509680128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398388932549025792Nov 07 09:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Only in #melbourne http://t.co/YqV2PFs8aTNov 07 09:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Google engineers: Fuck you NSA http://t.co/zyquLA9tyS #nsa #googleNov 07 09:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | Google engineers: Fuck you NSA | MuktwareNov 07 10:00
iophkQ: Is there anything that they won't use the 'think of the children' line on?Nov 07 10:23
iophkA: Healthcare.Nov 07 10:23
iophk""Nov 07 10:23
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MinceR:>Nov 07 11:20
schestowitziophk: ahNov 07 11:28
iophkparaphrasedNov 07 11:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398395393035497472  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398399039026520064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398402313767116800  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398411641525907457Nov 07 11:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: More Lawsuits by Proxy From Microsoft Against Linux  http://t.co/M4BXzjhRlJ #linux #microsoft #android #swpatsNov 07 11:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | More Lawsuits by Proxy From Microsoft Against Linux | TechrightsNov 07 11:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The “Year of the Linux Desktop” Predicted in the Corporate Press http://t.co/vIkctNGyZB #gnu #linux #windows #vista8Nov 07 11:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The “Year of the Linux Desktop” Predicted in the Corporate Press | TechrightsNov 07 11:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How to Overcome #Microsoft UEFI ‘Secure’ Boot Lock-in: Chuck the Physical Hard-Drive  http://t.co/ROw8l42qjT #uefi #intel #bsdNov 07 11:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | How to Overcome Microsoft UEFI ‘Secure’ Boot Lock-in: Chuck the Physical Hard-Drive | TechrightsNov 07 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: UNIX and GNU/Linux: The More, The Merrier  http://t.co/K8ds389m0q #gnu #linux #unix #bsdNov 07 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | UNIX and GNU/Linux: The More, The Merrier | TechrightsNov 07 11:32
schestowitziophk: now about FreeBSD...Nov 07 11:39
iophkCool.Nov 07 11:39
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398413664971407360  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398416835429040128  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398424725720150016  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398431117705248768Nov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Embedded/Devices Linux News for October-November 2013 http://t.co/UQT41lqp3G #linuxNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Embedded/Devices Linux News for October-November 2013 | TechrightsNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: FreeBSD Turns 20  http://t.co/UBL0nAkeUT #bsd #freebsd #unixNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | FreeBSD Turns 20 | TechrightsNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: GNU Compiler Collection Approaching Version 5 http://t.co/tGsdB5IOUo #gnu #gcc #freedom #privacy #fsf #fsfeNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | GNU Compiler Collection Approaching Version 5 | TechrightsNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Latest NSA Ugliness: Skype Gets Worse, Snowden Speaks to Germany, New Zealand Becomes NSA’s Little Brother   http://t.co/UwPCKgVTrt #nsaNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Latest NSA Ugliness: Skype Gets Worse, Snowden Speaks to Germany, New Zealand Becomes NSA’s Little Brother, and ‘Paedophilia’ Used to Defend the NSA | TechrightsNov 07 12:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fgnutelephony%2Fstatus%2F398433495518674944&sig=bc4e94c3512f105c3b69134357cc035aa325f6b7&uid=26603208&iid=aa8423676caa4d90840b067d0f08ae7d&nid=27+1267&t=1Nov 07 13:05
TechrightsBot-trtwitter.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwtj ]Nov 07 13:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/398433495518674944Nov 07 13:05
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz the US govt clearly did consider those "essential" services during the shutdown....Nov 07 13:05
schestowitzthis shows who these services actually serve; same for the GOP as a party...Nov 07 13:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/398436058838208512Nov 07 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz well @KimDotcom has experience with New Zealand's little brother, and speaking of rectal exams: http://t.co/gGneV9cFArNov 07 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.huffingtonpost.com | Terrifying Drug War Story Of The Day: Man Receives Multiple Anal Probes After Traffic StopNov 07 13:07
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3256244Nov 07 13:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/11/05/2891461/zealand-nsa/ #nz broke the law, not legalises itNov 07 13:23
TechrightsBot-tr-> thinkprogress.org | New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency | ThinkProgress  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwwu ]Nov 07 13:23
schestowitz"Encrypt All the Webs! Let them spend their compute cycles cracking open our amusing cat gifs, and links to Gangnam Style parodies.256244'Nov 07 13:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260283Nov 07 13:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google engineers: Fuck you NSA http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/google-engineers-fuck-nsa/15586 #nsa #googleNov 07 13:24
schestowitzYeah they should have just asked like they did with PRISM."Nov 07 13:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3256251Nov 07 13:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: This is interesting. Would like to do more research on it. King Leopold. http://www.walkingbutterfly.com/2010/12/22/when-you-kill-ten-million-africans-you-arent-called-hitler/Nov 07 13:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.walkingbutterfly.com | When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’ : Diary of a Walking Butterfly  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpvv ]Nov 07 13:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/c67ca7d05a5daf3dNov 07 13:24
TechrightsBot-trjoindiaspora.com | **The worst dicta...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwx1 ]Nov 07 13:24
schestowitz    "The whole organisation was riddled with nepotism - dim, dreary people of utter unmemorability; sub-men who were doubled up with other sub-men to create an illusion of strength and only doubled the weakness; others made memorable only by poisonous, corrupt malevolence or crass, mulish stupidity; the whole run by a chain of command remarkable for its feebleness. The entire service was decrepit and incompetent."Nov 07 13:27
schestowitzhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/BUGGERNov 07 13:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.bbc.co.uk | BBC - Blogs -  Adam Curtis - BUGGER  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwxf ]Nov 07 13:27
schestowitzhttp://31.media.tumblr.com/fde4cf7d2e327584a8aba9b3bfdaffa1/tumblr_mvviqyKy4q1r69cq5o1_500.jpgNov 07 13:30
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3256863Nov 07 13:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | #Unbelievable, be...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwy5 ]Nov 07 13:31
schestowitzMe: I want to report a ridiculously slow broadband connection BT Customer Advisor: OK turn on your windoze PC Me: I don't have a windoze PC!!! BT Customer Advisor: That's right sir, switch it on Me: I just said I don't own a windoze PC BT Customer Advisor: What operating system do you use? Me: Linux BT Customer Advisor: Are you sure? Me: YES!!!! BT Customer Advisor: I can't help you because we don't support this Leeenux thing Me: I'm Nov 07 13:31
schestowitznot asking for a system review, I'm telling you that the broadband speed isn't what I pay for. I've checked the settings and they are all fine, but this speed has been awful for 3 days. BT Customer Advisor: I can't troubleshoot because you don't have a windoze or mac PC. Me: There seems to be an exterior line problem, both my neighbours have the same issue. BT Customer Advisor: Sorry I can't help you until you get a windoze PC""Nov 07 13:31
iophkLawsuit time?Nov 07 13:32
iophkAre there other ISP's or do they behave that way because they have a local monopoly?Nov 07 13:32
schestowitzI had this experience too last month. fortunately I knew their boss' name in India, so I immediately demand that they let me speak to him and within days the problem was rectified. For broadband, ask to speak to "Mahek"; failing that, threaten to talk to Mr. Buckley. That'll work magic. After 10 hours on the phone with them you tend to learn these tricks. threatening to dump BT helps too sometimes.Nov 07 13:33
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3256863Nov 07 13:34
schestowitzI presume you are from the UK? Check out Andrews & Arnold (aaisp). They are not the cheapest, but if you call tech support you realize you are talking to a network professional, not a script-reading chimp. They will be pleased to talk about Gnu/Linux software too. (I.e. they are network professionals ;-)"77"Nov 07 13:34
schestowitz"In such cases it might help to ask for the second level support to get someone who has a technical background ;-)"Nov 07 13:35
schestowitz"We were told once that using Linux violated the ISP's terms of service because it's "illegal," pirated, etc. Just lie, save yourself the trouble."Nov 07 13:35
schestowitz"Social goals" https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_c27bee5b5b7661d83734.jpgNov 07 13:43
MinceRhe was wrongNov 07 13:54
schestowitzblechNov 07 13:56
schestowitzthanks for what?Nov 07 13:56
schestowitzhttp://lessig.tumblr.com/post/66206907278/wow-apple-wonderful-newNov 07 13:56
TechrightsBot-trlessig.tumblr.com | Lessig Blog, v2  [ http://ur1.ca/fzx1u ]Nov 07 13:56
schestowitzhttp://www.lessig.org/2013/11/wow-apple-wonderful-news/Nov 07 13:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.lessig.org | Wow, Apple. Wonderful news. | Lessig  [ http://ur1.ca/fzsp1 ]Nov 07 13:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398433084963844096  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398433281865433088    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398436334890528768  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398436905962205184Nov 07 13:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Our government says that #privacy helps #pedophilia so using similar logic I'd accuse the government of only aiding war crimes & corruptionNov 07 13:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Terrorists are found to be using pens and eating in restaurants when planning offences. Let's ban pens and restaurants.Nov 07 13:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: @gnutelephony this shows who these services actually serve; same for the GOP as a party...Nov 07 13:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The term "full rectal examination" is becoming more literal -- not just metaphorical -- in the #policestate http://t.co/OTvNeOfNwuNov 07 13:57
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.huffingtonpost.com | Terrifying Drug War Story Of The Day: Man Receives Multiple Anal Probes After Traffic StopNov 07 13:57
MinceR> crApple systems are of too low quality to expect that updates are seamless.Nov 07 13:57
MinceRFTFY, Larry.Nov 07 13:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398437591701528576  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398437872304668672  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398438474489266176  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398439049780023296Nov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Before it was cool" https://t.co/XeXCxyqwFONov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The oppressors at #apple prepare to help crush protests http://t.co/UAtbdIojcXNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> boingboing.net | Apple granted patent for location-based camera phone disabling - Boing BoingNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Help with actions, not with Big Brother (aka Facebook) https://t.co/MjD6A2FiBbNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "just fine for others to kick in for a movie that's all about self-reliance." http://t.co/w3EYz1H4MuNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.cnet.com | Ayn Rand producers beg for help from others on Kickstarter | Technically Incorrect - CNET NewsNov 07 13:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398439524701061120   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398441940112646145   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398444268215607296     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398448373680062464Nov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Is #Arafat another Alexander #Litvinenko or not? http://t.co/5JJ7jOpqBS compare to http://t.co/10UKJ1YyA4Nov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Yasser Arafat may have been poisoned with polonium, tests show | World news | The GuardianNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> en.wikipedia.org | Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "...better class of gerbil to find out the truth? But maybe we have them already - they're called journalists." http://t.co/mT7oCiPf7oNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "McDonald's happy image and its golden arches aren't the gateway to bliss in Bolivia.' http://t.co/WVNa63Jqe0Nov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.foodmatters.tv | FINALLY! A Whole Nation Rejects McDonaldsNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Politicians pretending to be religious because their advisors tell them it's a good strategy for getting more vote: not just a US thing.Nov 07 13:58
iophkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/06/todays-drug-war-outrage-m_n_4225995.htmlNov 07 14:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Today's Drug War Outrage: Man Dies In Jail Cell After Misdemeanor Pot Offense  [ http://ur1.ca/fzx43 ]Nov 07 14:13
schestowitzposted..Nov 07 14:15
schestowitziophk: any point  publshing over 8 posts per day?Nov 07 14:15
schestowitzDone 8 by 12pmNov 07 14:15
schestowitzbut need to pace it a bitNov 07 14:15
schestowitzalso need to figure out how to manage tuxmachines and techrights, maybe split  by topicNov 07 14:16
schestowitzmaybe link the two for new contentNov 07 14:16
iophkpacing might be better insteadNov 07 14:18
iophktoo many in one day dilutes them, I would thinkNov 07 14:19
iophkcan some wait until days you are busy?Nov 07 14:20
schestowitzyesNov 07 14:21
schestowitzbut can't predict when I would be busyNov 07 14:21
iophkokNov 07 14:22
iophkTuxmachines has had a much lower volume, so it might pay to be pickier about which 2 or 3 links are written up there.  Nov 07 14:22
schestowitzit's a communityNov 07 14:32
schestowitzalso a bit of a magnet of searchers who are after old articlesNov 07 14:32
schestowitzsome of which are no longer available on the Web, so TM keeps some snippets...Nov 07 14:33
iophkToo bad whole articles can't be cached.Nov 07 14:33
iophkI bet a lot of stufff from 2003 is gone even though that's only 10 years ago.Nov 07 14:33
iophkTM is from 2005 IIRCNov 07 14:34
iophkhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node?page=3766Nov 07 14:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.tuxmachines.org | tuxmachines.org | Do you waddle the waddle?  [ http://ur1.ca/fzx7g ]Nov 07 14:34
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398451182508978176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398451558167621632   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398451786526523392    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398453065814405120  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398453433130569728  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398455105940627457Nov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Rebuilding Ecuador's economy with open source principles http://t.co/nCcMLKRlpn #Ecuador #sharingNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | Rebuilding Ecuador's economy with open source principles | opensource.comNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bug-Free Linux 4.0? http://t.co/Q4ZEZjCnYn #linux #kernel #programmingNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Bug-Free Linux 4.0? | Linux JournalNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: What’s New In Drupal 8 http://t.co/QScJ7GhkRY #drupal #cms #gplNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.cmsobserver.com | What’s New In Drupal 8 | CMS ObserverNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 2013 Developer Salary Survey http://t.co/qr4U6YJ0DZ http://t.co/41xK82uw1UNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.drdobbs.com | 2013 Developer Salary Survey | Dr Dobb'sNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.drdobbs.com | 2013 Developer Salary Survey | Dr Dobb'sNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Today's Drug War Outrage: Man Dies In Jail Cell After Misdemeanor Pot Offense  http://t.co/h2NB2NA0n7 saw one arrested yesterdayNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Is GNU/Linux right for you?  http://t.co/d5MJWrq4bd #gnu #linuxNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.itworld.com | Is Linux right for you?  | ITworldNov 07 15:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398456264822652928   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398456560353308672  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398456877044215808    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398458792796770304    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398460228142112768   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398461572093603840Nov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steam For Linux Has Its First Birthday Today! http://t.co/BKdvzxGVEX #steam #gnu #linux #gamesNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.gamingonlinux.com | GamingOnLinux - Voxatron Aims Big For Its 0.3 ReleaseNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Open source robot kit lets you BYO Arduino or Pi http://t.co/Erja7feaTh #arduino #linux #roboticsNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Open source robot kit lets you BYO Arduino or Pi ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: NVIDIA 331.20 Supports New Kernels, NvFBCOpenGL http://t.co/zJr45c8ZHk #linux #nvidia still behind someNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA 331.20 Supports New Kernels, NvFBCOpenGLNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Many Germans in the years before 1933 dismissed the little man with the mustache: He could never take power..." http://t.co/wco4nzPUygNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> rdwolff.com | What GOP-Tea Party Risks With Block of New New Deal | Professor Richard D. WolffNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Chances for a Tizen Smartphone Entry http://t.co/c2H1YmkC3Y #tizen #linux #phoneNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Chances for a Tizen Smartphone Entry | Linux JournalNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Linux-ready box computers with IP40 compliance, anti-vibration support, and extended temperature ranges" http://t.co/J2xqf5hh9vNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Compact box-PCs take Linux to extremes ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 07 15:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398461596856750080   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398462211116777472   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398474153118142464Nov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Hard for GNU/Linux users to give Google (and NSA) their personal data http://t.co/OapsPfAkrgNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Google Drive for Linux? | Linux JournalNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Higher education is not just about producing valuable workers, but about educating people to become thinking" http://t.co/59QY6mIY6bNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | Disrupting education for the better, opinion article by Matt Jadud | opensource.comNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Always been a bit mystified as to why FOSS people give Google a free pass when it comes to privacy-violating networks http://t.co/1qyWIZzrj0Nov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> webmink.com | Personal URL on Google+ | Wild WebminkNov 07 15:42
schestowitzhttps://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpgNov 07 15:44
schestowitzSome people in the US now equate their government with a foreign occupierNov 07 15:45
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/nexus-5-review-flagship-hardware-for-half-the-price/Nov 07 15:46
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Nexus 5 Review: Flagship hardware for half the price | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzxh3 ]Nov 07 15:46
Sosumiand gtx 780T displaced the gtx titan, except for double precisionNov 07 15:46
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iophkhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24848907Nov 07 15:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Internet Archive building damaged by fire  [ http://ur1.ca/fzxj2 ]Nov 07 15:58
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398477131124322304  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398479681395372032   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398479957472858113   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398480364467138560Nov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Kyocera completes Japan’s largest offshore solar energy plant in Kagoshima http://t.co/V4J5lqlz7a #japan #energy #lessonNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> japandailypress.com | Kyocera completes Japan’s largest offshore solar energy plant in Kagoshima - The Japan Daily PressNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: EULA https://t.co/lGceJ71ERS #microsoft #lockin #bundling #antichoiceNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Risk of massive #asteroid strike underestimated http://t.co/oCZfEIdCJL while we waste energy fighting one another...Nov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.nature.com | Risk of massive asteroid strike underestimated : Nature News & CommentNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: If an asteroid was to approach Earth and we used the same pseudo/fictitious/stupid 'science' as in "Armageddon™", we'd be doomedNov 07 16:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398481380604395522  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398482214029361152  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398486003025186816Nov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: In #Egypt "men—mostly from Saudi Arabia—come to buy girls for “pleasure” marriages." http://t.co/XG4dpsD2IONov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.projectcensored.org | Underage Girls Sold into Temporary “Marriages” in Egypt – Validated Independent NewsNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ralph #Nader on the Washington Post (known for serving #CIA agenda, just like Amazon) becoming Bezos' toy http://t.co/zk2QfcLZ4FNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.fair.org | An Open Letter to the Washington PostNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Internet Archive building damaged by fire http://t.co/UT8yxHqSWR like burning books, for which there are no copies (like Alexandria)Nov 07 16:26
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398486911867949056  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398487326382649344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398487866021773312Nov 07 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Internet Archive has helped -- among other things -- expose politicians who are pathological liars and hide past writings.Nov 07 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Former Guantánamo Bay prisoner David Hicks, an Australian citizen, has lodged an appeal with the US Court" https://t.co/gUK2xbVlrlNov 07 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wsws.org | David Hicks seeks to overturn Guantánamo “terrorism” conviction - World Socialist Web SiteNov 07 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Greek police raid occupied and worker-run TV station http://t.co/TPz8zP9bns #greece #freespeechNov 07 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> roarmag.org | Greek police raid occupied and worker-run TV station | ROAR MagazineNov 07 16:37
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schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3261476Nov 07 17:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | Any #Linux users ...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzy0b ]Nov 07 17:36
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3261460Nov 07 17:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | after 1hour 45min...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzy0d ]Nov 07 17:36
schestowitzOnly 1:45? Consider yourself lucky http://www.google.com/custom?q=bt&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=schestowitz.com&client=pub-2479740519054892&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23999999%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A999999%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A999999%3BALC%3A666666%3BLC%3A666666%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A333333%3BGIMP%3A333333%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A50%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.com%2FIMG%2Frslogo.jpg%3BSNov 07 17:37
schestowitz3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.com%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=enNov 07 17:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.google.com | bt - Google Search  [ http://ur1.ca/fzy0j ]Nov 07 17:37
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261319Nov 07 20:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Internet Archive building damaged by fire http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24848907 like burning books, for which there are no copies (like Alexandria)Nov 07 20:23
schestowitz__"Not good."Nov 07 20:23
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Sosumiha bitcoin, when will the bubble burstNov 07 21:01
MinceRis it a bubble?Nov 07 21:02
Sosumiin that way that it has fastly risenNov 07 21:03
MinceRicNov 07 21:03
Sosumiit may come as fast in it's way downNov 07 21:03
MinceRindeedNov 07 21:03
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SosumiI'm still favouring metals and IPNov 07 21:04
MinceRIP in the toilet.Nov 07 21:05
Sosumiso the folks heavily invested in bitcoin should diversyNov 07 21:05
Sosumijust in case it goes downNov 07 21:05
MinceRand so should you :>Nov 07 21:06
SosumiIP is not turdhood filmsNov 07 21:06
SosumiI mean real IPNov 07 21:06
Sosumiin tech stuffNov 07 21:06
iophkUnwilling to hire competent people with salaries and benefits, they try to get by with theatrics and paltry bids that won't beat what the blackmarket will offer for the same exploits:Nov 07 21:06
iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/06/facebook-microsoft-bounties-idUSL2N0IR1X720131106Nov 07 21:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | U.S. rivals team up in offering bounties to secure Internet | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/fzyus ]Nov 07 21:06
MinceRreal imaginary property?Nov 07 21:06
Sosumino, I meant back up companies in tech sector like energy for exampleNov 07 21:08
Sosumiby backing them up, you're in a sense aquiring IPNov 07 21:08
iophkwhat kind of imaginary property?Nov 07 21:08
MinceRno, i'm notNov 07 21:08
Sosumihow not? when you get to seat in the board?Nov 07 21:09
MinceRwhich boards do you have a seat on?Nov 07 21:10
Sosumiboard of directorsNov 07 21:10
MinceRof which company?Nov 07 21:10
Sosumithe one you're up to the neckNov 07 21:10
MinceRthat's neitherNov 07 21:10
Sosumifor example, my gramps sits on the board of PT. Why? Because he's a major stockholder, so he gets to participate in the direction of the companyNov 07 21:12
Sosumiso in a sense, it's his company by a certain %Nov 07 21:13
Sosumithat's what I meant by aquiring IPNov 07 21:14
Sosumiwhich in my POV is corporate raidingNov 07 21:14
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261319Nov 07 21:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Internet Archive building damaged by fire http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24848907 like burning books, for which there are no copies (like Alexandria)Nov 07 21:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Internet Archive building damaged by fire  [ http://ur1.ca/fzxj2 ]Nov 07 21:16
schestowitz__"Copyright hides and destroys culture. Copy preserves it."Nov 07 21:16
Sosumicopyright only allows fat cats to sit on stuff instead of letting it flow freelyNov 07 21:21
MinceRit also allows consumers to be cheated out of ownership rightsNov 07 21:23
Sosumiyep, like the DD stores like steam and itunesNov 07 21:23
Sosumilose your account and there went the stuff you "paid to access"Nov 07 21:24
Sosuminot to ownNov 07 21:24
SosumiasideNov 07 21:25
Sosumiosx and the buttplug pro won't be doing 4k at 60HzNov 07 21:25
Sosumiosx sees a 4k display as 2 separate panels, each at 1920x2160Nov 07 21:26
Sosumiand "runs them" at 30HzNov 07 21:27
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398505502331916288  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398551544054157312  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398558026757857280  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398558079052427264Nov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Poverty https://t.co/mPs8t4MkuQNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How to decide if Linux is right for you http://t.co/99gCFtg9kp #gnu #linuxNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> howto.cnet.com | How to decide if Linux is right for you | How To - CNETNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How to write your book using Linux  http://t.co/NtWHUd88ax #gnu #linuxNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | How to write a book using Linux and LibreOffice: The Librarian’s Guide to Academic Research in the Cloud | opensource.comNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: This is Valve's Steam Machine prototype and SteamOS (hands-on) http://t.co/di0qmkBbhl #gnu #linux #steamNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.engadget.com | This is Valve's Steam Machine prototype and SteamOS (hands-on)Nov 07 21:27
MinceRlolNov 07 21:27
Sosumion winblows it all worksNov 07 21:27
Sosumican't say for rhel/fedora since no one testedNov 07 21:28
Sosumiho and I meant work as single display @60HzNov 07 21:29
Sosumialso, it'll be hilarious when a top of the line 2009 or 2010 mac pro equiped with flashed gtx 780 beats the buttplug in opencl, opengl benchmarksNov 07 21:30
Sosumiwhile still offering the CUDA optionNov 07 21:30
schestowitz__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX_TVMp4rDENov 07 21:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Lou Reed Live in Paris 1974 (I) - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzyyg ]Nov 07 21:31
schestowitz__lolNov 07 21:31
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer Regarding the NRA comment. The Republicans are repeatedly trying to change the law to protect rapists. I wonder how they'd feel about gun control if women did start shooting the rapists.Nov 08 00:10
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Do you think this would be worth buying or not? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/80-rikomagic-arm-based-ubuntu-mini-pc-starts-shippingNov 08 00:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.omgubuntu.co.uk | £80 Rikomagic ARM-Based Ubuntu Mini-PC Starts Shipping | OMG! Ubuntu!  [ http://ur1.ca/fzzlz ]Nov 08 00:12
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared The Walking Dead's photo.Nov 08 00:18
DaemonFC2 minutes agoNov 08 00:18
DaemonFCMy comment: "Using your cable provider login". In other words, to access content on your website, you must first prove that you subscribe to a legacy service. This is like an online newspaper making people prove that they have a dead tree delivered to their door each morning. You're welcome to join the 21st century any time now, AMC.Nov 08 00:18
DaemonFCRyan FarmerNov 08 00:18
DaemonFCa few seconds agoNov 08 00:18
DaemonFCThe Pirate Bay really delivers a great public service. They remove Digital Restrictions Malware and don't make you prove you subscribe to cable. **** Comcast. **** them in their stupid faces. I hope they all get **** and **** rot and die a horrible death. They're the biggest ****ing pirates I've ever seen.Nov 08 00:18
DaemonFCI don't know why more people don't say Digital Restrictions Malware.Nov 08 00:21
DaemonFCI've seen a few people call it Digital Restrictions Management, but I don't really think that goes far enough.Nov 08 00:21
DaemonFCIt is software that users don't want which wastes the computer's resources, cripples their devices, and steals the user's rights and freedoms.Nov 08 00:22
DaemonFCCall it what it is.Nov 08 00:22
DaemonFCThere's a guy on this personals website that messaged me.Nov 08 00:59
DaemonFCHe says he's a devoted fundamentalist Christian that is "working out his sexuality with godly fear an trembling".Nov 08 00:59
DaemonFCOh great. There's just what I need in my life.Nov 08 00:59
DaemonFCI wake up every day. Something is missing. I have found what I was looking for.Nov 08 01:00
DaemonFC:PNov 08 01:00
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/01micko/status/398600244390162432Nov 08 06:13
TechrightsBot-tr@01micko: @schestowitz 14.1 stable is now released #SlackwareNov 08 06:13
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261259Nov 08 06:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Risk of massive #asteroid strike underestimated http://www.nature.com/news/risk-of-massive-asteroid-strike-underestimated-1.14114 while we waste energy fighting one another...Nov 08 06:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.nature.com | Risk of massive asteroid strike underestimated : Nature News & Comment  [ http://ur1.ca/g00su ]Nov 08 06:16
schestowitz__"Wait ... so are you saying that we can't trust Bruce Wills ?? oo wait wait he died on the move .. we are really doomed ;)""Nov 08 06:17
schestowitz__"7 Hiroshima's worth ... and to think that on the same day, all the space-attention was focused on the other side of the planet for a known near-miss. The near-miss was actually bigger, it would have been a civilization-ender if it hit anything."Nov 08 06:18
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260781Nov 08 06:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The oppressors at #apple prepare to help crush protests http://boingboing.net/2012/08/30/apple-granted-patent-for-locat.htmlNov 08 06:19
TechrightsBot-tr-> boingboing.net | Apple granted patent for location-based camera phone disabling - Boing Boing  [ http://ur1.ca/a2qrh ]Nov 08 06:19
schestowitz__Good. Now the other camera phones won't disable video, because that would require a license from Apple."77"Nov 08 06:20
schestowitz__I heard this joke before...Nov 08 06:20
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J62JQ3yBXdsNov 08 06:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Carl Sagan's Cosmos, edited for Rednecks - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g00w5 ]Nov 08 06:44
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3263687Nov 08 06:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "You pay in cash??? What are you, some kind of terrorist or something?"Nov 08 06:48
schestowitz__……Or something.""Nov 08 06:48
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260856Nov 08 06:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "McDonald's happy image and its golden arches aren't the gateway to bliss in Bolivia.' http://www.foodmatters.tv/articles-1/a-whole-nation-rejects-mcdonaldsNov 08 06:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.foodmatters.tv | FINALLY! A Whole Nation Rejects McDonalds  [ http://ur1.ca/g00wp ]Nov 08 06:50
schestowitz__"That would be because the major shareholders of McDonalds also hold major shares in the mainstream media outlets. I'm sure you're shocked."Nov 08 06:50
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260865Nov 08 06:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #occupygezi #istanbul #türkiye #spy #stoperdoganNov 08 06:50
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by ras_berlin@diasp.de: https://diasp.de/uploads/images/thumb_medium_cd8aee10746d0e4d059e.jpgNov 08 06:50
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by ras_berlin@diasp.de: https://diasp.de/uploads/images/thumb_medium_cd8aee10746d0e4d059e.jpgNov 08 06:50
schestowitz__"Awesome."Nov 08 06:50
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261193Nov 08 06:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Always been a bit mystified as to why FOSS people give Google a free pass when it comes to privacy-violating networks http://webmink.com/2013/11/05/personal-url-on-google/Nov 08 06:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> webmink.com | Personal URL on Google+ | Wild Webmink  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlqe ]Nov 08 06:51
schestowitz__"Simple. They've been bought without even realizing it. Usually for the cost of a bit of Summer of Code, and the open parts of Android (shrinking daily)."Nov 08 06:51
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260102Nov 08 06:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: anger release machine...Nov 08 06:51
schestowitz__"Also great for Greek weddings..."Nov 08 06:51
DaemonFChttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/im-app-trillian-launches-linux-betaNov 08 07:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.omgubuntu.co.uk | Trillian for Linux Hits Beta, Boasts Tight Ubuntu Integration  [ http://ur1.ca/g00z7 ]Nov 08 07:07
DaemonFCThey forgot to mention why anyone would want it.Nov 08 07:07
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398696721116823552  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398694495564623872Nov 08 08:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "You pay in cash??? What are you, some kind of terrorist or something?"Nov 08 08:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Got an E-mail from NatWest promoting the new program for tracking your shopping even when you pay in cash.Nov 08 08:25
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398730103410405376Nov 08 08:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Sea Shepherd activist Paul watson faces US court after year on the run  http://t.co/7ANtrixEJp #activism #law #corporatismNov 08 08:40
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theaustralian.com.au | Cookies must be enabled. |  The AustralianNov 08 08:40
MinceRgeekingsNov 08 09:23
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/Nov 08 09:29
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ]Nov 08 09:29
iophkmaking more friendsNov 08 09:29
iophk"zero day" is just a marketing term for holes that the vendor can't be bothered to fixNov 08 09:32
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/exploits-of-critical-microsoft-zero-day-more-widespread-than-thought/Nov 08 09:32
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Exploits of critical Microsoft zero day more widespread than thought | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g01wh ]Nov 08 09:32
iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/2013/11/canonical-sends-takedown-notice-eff-staffer-criticizes-privacy-ubuntu/15648Nov 08 09:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Canonical Sends takedown notice to EFF staffer who criticizes Privacy of Ubuntu | Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/g01x0 ]Nov 08 09:38
iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/11/swartz-foia-november/Nov 08 09:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz's 'Depression Problems' | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g01zp ]Nov 08 09:51
iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/07/tim-berners-lee-nsaNov 08 09:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.co.uk | Tim Berners-Lee calls for international protections for whistleblowers (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/g0209 ]Nov 08 09:54
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iophkhttp://www.diceholdingsinc.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=211152&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1869460&highlight=Nov 08 10:40
iophk" Slashdot Media contributed $3.7 million to revenues in the third quarter of 2013, as compared to $0.8 million in the same period a year ago"Nov 08 10:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.diceholdingsinc.com | Dice Holdings, Inc. -  Press Release  [ http://ur1.ca/g027m ]Nov 08 10:40
iophkIsn't this also just the same data they are getting from social media and e-mail logging?Nov 08 12:29
iophkhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/us/cia-is-said-to-pay-att-for-call-data.html?hp&_r=1&Nov 08 12:29
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/g02o8 ]Nov 08 12:29
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/Nov 08 15:07
Sosumimoronical and mark shutleWORMNov 08 15:07
Sosumihttp://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11Nov 08 15:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessinsider.com | Microsoft Earns $2 Billion Per Year From Android Patent Royalties - Business Insider  [ http://ur1.ca/g038h ]Nov 08 15:09
Sosumimicro$haft are like the mafia, they don't do anything good but they earn their money by leeching from others workNov 08 15:10
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Sosumibuttplug pro powered by unicornsNov 08 17:41
Sosumihttp://i.imgur.com/urfnyzY.jpgNov 08 17:41
Sosumiand that's about the magical 450W psu that it hasNov 08 17:41
Sosumiand that is incapable of providing enough juice for two crippled fire pro w9000 and 8 core cpu on the max configNov 08 17:42
Sosumihum, maybe it should feature on adventure time as an unicorn buttjet engineNov 08 17:44
Sosumialso, tested fedora 19 with secure boot and it works until it doesn'tNov 08 17:44
Sosumiasus on it's latest 2 firmware patches has managed to fix efi boot for gnu/linuxNov 08 17:45
Sosumiand it's no longer necessary to reinstall grub for the option to boot to "X" distro do re-appearNov 08 17:45
Sosuminow it shows "EFI OS" and it'll update itself automatically once booting back in the OSNov 08 17:46
Sosumiso kudos to asus for making it easier for folks to show the finger to the manNov 08 17:47
__martin__Sosumi: do all the recent chromebooks use coreboot stack?Nov 08 17:48
SosumiI've never seen a chromebook to begin withNov 08 17:49
Sosumibut no I have no ideaNov 08 17:49
Sosumibut this is poortugal, micro$cheiße land, they don't sell anything of that here,Nov 08 17:51
Sosumioutside the pc lineups, all you have is a mac cornerNov 08 17:52
Sosuminothing moreNov 08 17:52
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sebsebseb1 2 3 iophkNov 08 18:37
iophk3 2 1 sebsebsebNov 08 18:37
sebsebsebiophk: what should I propse for the eventNov 08 18:38
sebsebsebwith the Keep It Simple principal in mindNov 08 18:38
iophkWhat's the current status?Nov 08 18:38
sebsebsebiophk: I can  do more than one proposals toNov 08 18:39
iophk You had sent some mails.Nov 08 18:39
sebsebsebcurrent status well waiting for more proposalsNov 08 18:39
sebsebsebto do the demonstratios, an promotions speches, and voting, at next meetingNov 08 18:39
sebsebsebiophk: oh and  I can probably have a prope rremaster made by the guy who makes the offical ISO'sNov 08 18:39
sebsebsebaltough now got a proper re mastering pag on the Mageia wiki as well :)Nov 08 18:39
sebsebsebiophk: a old similar guide to what I used,  more commands, bene up dated a little to alredy etcNov 08 18:40
sebsebsebno Jitsi in Maiega's repo's though,  not had a vounteer yetNov 08 18:40
iophkThat's an improvement, though there are still good reasons to stick with the stock images.Nov 08 18:40
sebsebsebthe guy who makes the remster might do it though I Think hmmNov 08 18:40
sebsebsebiophk: yes, but they won't stick with the stock imagesNov 08 18:40
sebsebsebit's remasters and that's thatNov 08 18:40
iophkWasted effort / resourcesNov 08 18:41
sebsebsebiophk: I did a idea in a meai where I had everything coverdNov 08 18:41
sebsebseball de's ad interfacesNov 08 18:41
sebsebseb,but guy who wants Mint a lot didn't agree etcNov 08 18:41
sebsebseb,but there's a document I can add in proper proposals inNov 08 18:41
sebsebsebiophk: well it's a demonstaiton fest now real not an install festNov 08 18:41
sebsebsebso the idea is to be able to show stuff they can runNov 08 18:41
iophkok then there is no need for remasters there eitherNov 08 18:41
iophksince nothing is getting installedNov 08 18:41
sebsebsebthey wll boot up from a USBNov 08 18:42
sebsebseba remastred USBNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebmaybe install from it toNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebiophk: remasters is what was decided, I can't change thatNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebthat's how it isNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebremastered USB's to be exactNov 08 18:42
iophkwhat's next VMs?Nov 08 18:42
iophk:PNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebnope no vm'sNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebjust re mstersNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebremasterd USB'sNov 08 18:43
iophkHow many demo machines are you looking at so far?Nov 08 18:43
sebsebsebnot sure we have to decide that maybe to I don't knjow qiteNov 08 18:43
sebsebsebit's a vote on how many distros and what interffacesNov 08 18:43
iophkWhere is the demo equipment coming from?Nov 08 18:43
iophkI'd still say 2 distros.Nov 08 18:44
iophkfor the same reasons as before.Nov 08 18:44
iophkWhich apps will be shown off?Nov 08 18:44
sebsebsebiophk: well I think Mint is inNov 08 18:44
sebsebsebevent co ordinater wants  Min with Cinnamon and Open Suse for KDENov 08 18:45
iophkSuse is M$Nov 08 18:45
sebsebsebiophk: so really its distrowars between   Mageia and Open SuseNov 08 18:45
sebsebsebit seems too meNov 08 18:45
sebsebsebUbuntu will be voted out I expect, since  most of them don't like UnityNov 08 18:45
iophkToo bad.Nov 08 18:45
iophkI'm not a fan of it either but it deserves to be shown.Nov 08 18:45
sebsebsebit's looking too me like a Mint and Open Suse eventNov 08 18:45
sebsebsebunless I can win them over to MageiaNov 08 18:45
iophkI hope you succeedNov 08 18:46
sebsebsebiophk: I think Ubuntu shuld be an optoin toNov 08 18:46
sebsebseb,butNov 08 18:46
sebsebsebmost of them are Cinnamon fan boys it seemsNov 08 18:46
sebsebseband so they like MintNov 08 18:46
sebsebsebor whatever it isNov 08 18:46
iophkIsn't cinnamon on Mageia?Nov 08 18:46
sebsebsebyes, but not in a live mediaNov 08 18:46
sebsebsebMageia 4 will have in repo'sNov 08 18:46
iophkBut you're not doing live, you're working with demo machines?Nov 08 18:46
sebsebsebbothNov 08 18:47
sebsebsebto show people stuff on demo machines, but then also give them what they think they want on remastered USB/sNov 08 18:47
sebsebsebwith the addiotnal appsNov 08 18:47
sebsebseband upates already installed to the creaiton of itNov 08 18:47
sebsebsebiophk: it feesl strange to me not to have Ubuntu, on the other hand the times have changd a bit, the Unity dislikers etcNov 08 18:48
sebsebsebit's 2013Nov 08 18:48
sebsebsebCinnmaon and Mate  exist now to Nov 08 18:48
iophkXFCE should be on the listNov 08 18:48
sebsebsebi suggestd XFCE in something, but itns' so simpleNov 08 18:49
sebsebsebit seems in generaNov 08 18:49
sebsebsebthey don't want loads of distro's or interfacesNov 08 18:49
iophkThen just Mageia with the DEs that have been selected. Nov 08 18:49
iophkI suspect there is more agreement over the DEs so those should be chosen nextNov 08 18:49
sebsebsebiophk: yep maybe that's what I should proposeNov 08 18:50
sebsebsebiophk: Mint for CinnamonNov 08 18:50
sebsebsebMagiea for KDE and GNOMENov 08 18:50
sebsebsebor uhNov 08 18:50
sebsebsebiophk: to be honest the older guys propsal is a bit hmm as wlelNov 08 18:50
sebsebsebon the documentNov 08 18:50
sebsebsebwhat does he want exactly hmm Nov 08 18:50
__martin__now this is LOL; M$ makes out of Android/Linux license ransom scheme 2mld $ annualy and compensating lossy XboxesNov 08 18:50
iophkXFCE should be popular with recovering Windows users, especially XPNov 08 18:51
sebsebsebiophk: I'll do a pastebin of two thingsNov 08 18:51
sebsebseband show youNov 08 18:51
sebsebsebhold onNov 08 18:51
sebsebsebiophk: well  XFCE can gt used in MINT TONov 08 18:52
sebsebsebMin and Mageia?Nov 08 18:52
iophkAgain, how many demo machines can you get?Nov 08 18:52
sebsebseband Open SUse for the cut down OS, whateer he wnated to makeNov 08 18:52
iophkMint and Mageia would be a good compromise maybe.Nov 08 18:52
sebsebsebiophk: I think at least four will come from a Linux compayNov 08 18:52
sebsebsebprobably  more like around six or so thoughNov 08 18:52
sebsebsebthey got some old lap tops they will lend us for the demo machinesNov 08 18:52
iophkProbably a good idea to settle the number of machines, tooNov 08 18:52
sebsebsebiophk: older guy thinks Mint nad Open Suse at the omentNov 08 18:53
iophkThat determines what you can demo.Nov 08 18:53
iophkWhere does he have doubts about Mageia?Nov 08 18:53
sebsebsebiophk: I think he's bee very influenced by the Open Suse guy as wlelNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebiophk: he hasn't even seen Mageia prperly yetNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebto be honestNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebas far a I knowNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebsince  Haen't shown him anything properly yet,  snce I coudnt' just remaster before etcNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebiophk: he's seen Open Suse remaster with KDE and suchNov 08 18:54
iophkOk that sounds like a priority if they are so fixated on remasters.Nov 08 18:54
iophkInsisting on remasters might have been their way of gaming the results of the choice.Nov 08 18:54
sebsebsebanother ide hta'ts been going around is the possibly of haing like three distor's,  Mint for Cinnamon for example,  KDE in Open Suse, GNOME in something elseNov 08 18:55
sebsebsebiophk: also the MInt guy is still in USANov 08 18:55
sebsebsebso won't be at the next meetingNov 08 18:55
sebsebsebso it's four peple doing voting hmmNov 08 18:55
sebsebsebiophk: I suggested bringing someone in from outside ot make things ore fairNov 08 18:55
iophkyesNov 08 18:55
sebsebsebhe   was  like , no I odn't see the point in thatNov 08 18:55
sebsebsebto make the number un evenNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebiophk: he was also like I'll make the casting vote, I was like no I disagreeNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebso later he's like ,  ok we can decide on who makes the casting voteNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebiophk: he also said in a previous recnetish email, that two of us are going to get upset and that's how it is, that's basically he saidNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebI think it's  hm and the Open Suse guy  vs well me and the guy who wanted UbuntuNov 08 18:57
sebsebsebin generalNov 08 18:57
sebsebsebiophk: and I can already see that both Mageia and Ubuntu are probably outNov 08 18:57
sebsebsebunless I can win them over at that meeting some howNov 08 18:57
iophkwork on them before the meeting, too, individuallyNov 08 18:57
sebsebseband  also  importnatly the OS's need to be 3 not 2Nov 08 18:57
sebsebsebwe need to choose on 3 OS's ideally not 2Nov 08 18:57
sebsebsebotherwise Magie and Ubuntu are out for sure probablyNov 08 18:58
sebsebsebiophk: nope I meet them in person net time at the meeting later this monthNov 08 18:58
iophkwhat about correspondence via e-mailNov 08 18:58
iophk?Nov 08 18:58
sebsebsebiophk: really the guy who wanted Ununtu doens't care that muchw hat distros are used really, but in general he thinks ore like meNov 08 18:58
sebsebsebiophk: I saidsomething to him to do with the vote in a email, but got no replyNov 08 18:58
sebsebsebI don't think he cares that much realy as I just putNov 08 18:58
sebsebsebiophk: I made it clear I was aainst the voteNov 08 18:59
sebsebseb,Nov 08 18:59
sebsebsebiophk: ,but it seems it's th way things will go if I a m agianst or notNov 08 18:59
sebsebsebjust got to go along with it nowNov 08 18:59
sebsebsebiophk: I realy didn't like the idea of this whole got a demonstration, and then five minutes to promote the iea, speeche'sNov 08 19:00
SosumiStephen Elop, after crashing Nokia to the ground (baby!) is now positioned as one of the candidates for M$ CEONov 08 19:00
sebsebsebit's just made things distro wars reallyNov 08 19:00
iophkGet them to decide on DEs first.  But you also need to know the number of machines.Nov 08 19:00
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/a-nuance-on-the-burning-platforms-memo-nokia-board-and-nokia-chairman-reprimanded-elop-for-that-mist.htmlNov 08 19:00
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: A Nuance on the Burning Platforms Memo - Nokia Board and Nokia Chairman Reprimanded Elop For That Mistake  [ http://ur1.ca/g046k ]Nov 08 19:00
SosumiBING and xbox to be axedNov 08 19:01
iophkSosumi: JO came down on Elop before he did the 'Burning plaftorm' memoNov 08 19:01
SosumiJO?Nov 08 19:01
sebsebsebSosumi: oh Microsoft are going to stop selling Xbox?Nov 08 19:01
sebsebsebapparnatly they didn't realy make a profit from Xbox anywaylNov 08 19:01
Sosuminop they didn'tNov 08 19:01
Sosumiboth paul allen and ellop want to kill thatNov 08 19:02
sebsebsebiophk: yeah  that's a ointNov 08 19:02
sebsebsebiophk: decide on DE's firstNov 08 19:02
sebsebsebiophk: and we need to know how many demo computers will be thereNov 08 19:02
iophkIt will aslo give you more time do decide on a distro.Nov 08 19:02
Sosumiand actually, it's like I told a couple weeks ago, M$ removed all the microsoft branding out of the xboxNov 08 19:02
iophkYes.  You can't demo 5 DEs if there are 4 machinesNov 08 19:03
sebsebsebiophk: trueNov 08 19:03
Sosumitheir boxes are just green blobs and nothing moreNov 08 19:03
iophkSosumi: M$ branding is a liability.Nov 08 19:03
SosumiyepNov 08 19:03
sebsebsebiophk: I guess I can email them all sayingNov 08 19:03
sebsebsebwe need to know how many demonostration machines there wil beNov 08 19:03
Sosumithat's why they removed itNov 08 19:03
sebsebsebbefore we can make certian choices realy such as what de's and distro'sNov 08 19:03
sebsebsebiophk: it's not goo d eough being told that some company wil provide some computers how anyNov 08 19:04
sebsebsebdo you think that's how I shold do it?Nov 08 19:04
iophkA few key apps ought to be decided too.  They can be on each of the demo machines.Nov 08 19:04
sebsebsebiophk: oh been doing the standard apps thing or pretyt much areadyNov 08 19:04
sebsebsebthe addiotal stuffNov 08 19:04
sebsebsebThunerbird etcNov 08 19:04
sebsebsebJitsiNov 08 19:04
sebsebsebetcNov 08 19:04
iophkokNov 08 19:04
sebsebsebiophk: so you think I should emai finding out oabout how many dedmonostraiotn coputers there will be etc?Nov 08 19:05
sebsebsebtrying to find outNov 08 19:05
iophkyes, that's more important than the distrosNov 08 19:05
sebsebsebyeah trueNov 08 19:05
sebsebsebthen can make decisiosn based on thatNov 08 19:06
sebsebsebas to what distros' and de'sNov 08 19:06
sebsebsebiophk: Importnat how many  demonotration coputer will we haveNov 08 19:06
sebsebsebthinking of a email subject :DNov 08 19:06
sebsebseband how to word that messageNov 08 19:07
sebsebsebonce we know that we can make realstic deisiosn as to what distro's  to have ad interfaces to show.Nov 08 19:07
sebsebsebiophk: maybe we have all gotton a head of our selves  by trying to decide on what de's and interfaces to have, before even knowing for sure how  many emonostriaot pc's there will beNov 08 19:08
sebsebsebiophk: thinking about what I coul say in emai now ^Nov 08 19:09
iophkgtgNov 08 19:12
sebsebsebiophk: ok thanks for your help :)Nov 08 19:12
sebsebsebiophk: bye for now thenNov 08 19:12
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398899406910783488  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398892242171338752   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398887151552978944    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398883572423360512   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398879873105932289Nov 08 19:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bezos-Owned Washington Post No Longer Has Ombudsman, Revolving Doors Plague the FCC Again  http://t.co/FHrtGjoRIL #bezos #washpoNov 08 19:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Bezos-Owned Washington Post No Longer Has Ombudsman, Revolving Doors Plague the FCC Again | TechrightsNov 08 19:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Crisis Capitalism: #BillGates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures http://t.co/JUAMjUqtsGNov 08 19:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Crisis Capitalism: Bill Gates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures | TechrightsNov 08 19:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Free Internet is Dying, and Not Just Due to DRM  http://t.co/jCvT0UXdDg #drm #internet #censorship #facebookNov 08 19:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Free Internet is Dying, and Not Just Due to DRM | TechrightsNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell http://t.co/fbtYCgCWeg #ubuntu #canonicalNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell | TechrightsNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://t.co/NSc2MmUEdO #ubuntu #canonical #privacyNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars TechnicaNov 08 19:52
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398873564495216641  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398867447258054656   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398863202647543808  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398855343180382208Nov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? http://t.co/Fy4iCkrr4h #gnu #linuxNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? | TechrightsNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 17,000 Posts, 7 Years of Techrights, and Imminent Expansion http://t.co/yTo6vRihhr #techrightsNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | 17,000 Posts, 7 Years of Techrights, and Imminent Expansion | TechrightsNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux http://t.co/VBK0B78bje #linux #swpats #microsoftNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux | TechrightsNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Mandriva Still a Desktop Powerhouse http://t.co/vSZ3dSDF9F  #mandriva #gnu #linuxNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Mandriva Still a Desktop Powerhouse | TechrightsNov 08 19:52
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sebsebsebschestowitz__: ok nice Mandriva articleNov 08 20:07
sebsebsebschestowitz__: Mandriva itself is dead as a distributer, but the distro lives on in other wyas yeah, the dervativiesNov 08 20:08
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schestowitz__[10:40] <iophk> " Slashdot Media contributed $3.7 million to revenues in the third quarter of 2013, as compared to $0.8 million in the same period a year ago"Nov 08 20:14
schestowitz__how? PR?Nov 08 20:14
schestowitz__Microsoft ads from MS Nick?Nov 08 20:14
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398904120222154752  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905293674782720  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905468690505728   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905757178937344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905871310131200  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398906766865358848   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398907257380823040Nov 08 20:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Susan will stick around in Tux Machines http://t.co/QkFmEnSeE6 good newsNov 08 20:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tuxmachines.org | This is "See Ya Around" | tuxmachines.orgNov 08 20:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Taxpayers pay to be spied on http://t.co/V4UBjid77j and #amazon (with #washpo owner) helps it happen. #ciaNov 08 20:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York TimesNov 08 20:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: So it seems like I was right about companies in losses getting subsidised as expense of national debt for national 'interest'Nov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How much in subsidies at taxpayers expense (debt) does #Microsoft get to hand over people's private data and comms? Microsoft ran a loss.Nov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Black budgets are still where trillions of dollars come to disappear, with no oversight at all.Nov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Tim Berners-Lee calls for international protections for corporations (DRM)... oh, and  whistleblowers http://t.co/qmqQ0TWIlCNov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.co.uk | Tim Berners-Lee calls for international protections for whistleblowers (Wired UK)Nov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: After Harassing Swartz, Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz’s ‘Depression Problems’ http://t.co/Bv3qeqsc83 killing him softlyNov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.com | Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz's 'Depression Problems' | Threat Level | Wired.comNov 08 20:26
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265341Nov 08 20:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mandriva Still a Desktop PowerhouseNov 08 20:36
schestowitz"Nov 08 20:36
schestowitz@Robin the Boy Wonder, I tried it few months ago.Nov 08 20:36
schestowitzI didn't saw any advantage at all, just a boring distribution with little repositories and very ugly MATE customisation.Nov 08 20:36
schestowitz"Nov 08 20:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3263687Nov 08 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "You pay in cash??? What are you, some kind of terrorist or something?"Nov 08 20:37
schestowitz|no, but banks track were you purchase"Nov 08 20:37
schestowitzOnly if you pay with card..Nov 08 20:37
schestowitz@Robin the Boy Wonder, unusable :-/.Nov 08 20:41
schestowitzBut actually I didn't try neither ROSA/Mandriva neither Mageia but did try PCLinuxOS.Nov 08 20:41
schestowitzReply or view Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)'s post >Nov 08 20:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265341Nov 08 20:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636Nov 08 20:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacyNov 08 20:42
schestowitzJust batting a thousand, aren't we, Canonical? Makes me sick."77"Nov 08 20:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261197Nov 08 20:42
TechrightsBot-tr@darth_azrael@diasp.org: And this was the reason for the #2ndAmendmentNov 08 20:42
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by darth_azrael@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpgNov 08 20:42
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schestowitz"The issue isn't whether the government in question is a foreign occupier or not, the issue is whether or not they are violating your rights. Up until 1776, the British government was not a 'foreign' one anyway. The revolution is what made them so."Nov 08 20:43
schestowitzUsing the same logic, Gandhi rose up against him own government and India was part of Britain rather than occupied.Nov 08 20:43
schestowitz*hisNov 08 20:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398912712731676673 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398912845594636289Nov 08 20:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Today in bank, guard diverted me from teller to machine. I told him, you make tellers redundant. He said it was "good for customers". [1/2]Nov 08 20:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: If guards at shops or banks insist you use a machine and not personal service, tell them: your job could be next in the chopping line [2/2]Nov 08 20:44
__martin__first mukt article that sounds like a bad jokeNov 08 20:46
__martin__http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/marvel-creating-superhero-packed-original-series-netflix/15680Nov 08 20:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Marvel creating Superhero-Packed Original Series for Netflix | Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/g04le ]Nov 08 20:46
schestowitzJust passing the tuxmachines domain right now..Nov 08 20:55
schestowitz"Nov 08 20:55
schestowitzHi,Nov 08 20:55
schestowitzI very recently bought a domain name. This domain name is set to expire in June 2014, which is when I will renew it. This domain is currently with godaddy and it's now unlocked, with a code I was given to allow passing it to you or any other domain handler. How much will it cost to transfer to catalyst2 and and will it require no further payments until it expires in June 2014? The nameservers will need to be altered at a later date.Nov 08 20:55
schestowitz"Nov 08 20:55
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3263687Nov 08 20:59
schestowitz"exactly... what I meant was that I don't need to be a terrorist to pay with cash..."Nov 08 20:59
schestowitzWhy do you not want me to enter your home and use your computer? Are you some kind of paedophile? :-)Nov 08 21:00
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266132Nov 08 21:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today in bank, guard diverted me from teller to machine. I told him, you make tellers redundant. He said it was "good for customers". [1/2]Nov 08 21:03
schestowitz"its good for anyone who profits from future transactions between machine and person when things do not quite go as you want. Either the machine withholds your card ......... or the machine refuses to give you your money out. Just thinking back to Cyprus - when the machines would only allow a percentage of peoples money back to them ...... which is similar in so many instances now - when you want to get all of your money back from a Nov 08 21:04
schestowitzbank .......... can you out of a machine ? or do they set a limit ....... Who's money is it ........ ?"Nov 08 21:04
schestowitzFor your own protection of course! The withdrawal limits which were meant to protect you 'from thieves' did not protect you from really big thieves (bankers) in Cyprus.Nov 08 21:04
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lirodonyou heard about how the evil Dice.com is violating the trust of SourceForge users?Nov 08 21:12
MinceRthe owners of source being untrustworthy isn't newNov 08 21:14
MinceRthey've changed names so often it's like they're some m$ subsidiaryNov 08 21:14
MinceRs/source/&forge/Nov 08 21:14
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MinceRhttp://devnull-as-a-service.com/Nov 08 23:05
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DaemonFChttp://sploid.gizmodo.com/russias-national-police-singing-get-lucky-is-hilario-1460832077Nov 09 00:03
TechrightsBot-trsploid.gizmodo.com | Russia's National Police singing Daft Punk's Get Lucky is hilarious  [ http://ur1.ca/g058q ]Nov 09 00:03
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schestowitzlirodon: how?Nov 09 01:03
schestowitzI saw they made more money from ./Nov 09 01:04
schestowitzads and spying perhapsNov 09 01:04
lirodonWell, firstly those stupid "wrapped" installers with borderline malwareNov 09 01:04
schestowitzah, that...Nov 09 01:04
lirodonand their support of those stupid "guess the download button" ads. GIMP's Windows builds got moved in-house http://www.itworld.com/open-source/382088/was-gimp-right-leave-sourceforgeNov 09 01:04
schestowitzany links?Nov 09 01:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.itworld.com | Was the GIMP right to leave SourceForge? | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/g05ek ]Nov 09 01:04
lirodon*moved to in-house hosting (which is a good idea to begin with)Nov 09 01:04
schestowitztaNov 09 01:05
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 09 01:09
DaemonFCI thought that California was supposed to be a liberal state?Nov 09 01:09
DaemonFCIf that's the case, then why is the LARD showing up in riot gear to arrest people for exercising their first amendment right to speak about Walmart's poverty-level wages?Nov 09 01:09
DaemonFC:)Nov 09 01:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DavieChiro/status/398923551580778498Nov 09 01:13
TechrightsBot-tr@DavieChiro: @schestowitz You need to maintain a large balance..that only the bank can use. #BankofAmericaNov 09 01:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DavieChiro/status/398924135734079488Nov 09 01:13
TechrightsBot-tr@DavieChiro: @schestowitz lol. then *roll eyes*Nov 09 01:13
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 09 01:18
DaemonFCThese damned cigarette companies keep sending me coupons. They track how long it has been since you've used any. If it's been within a month, they send you $1 off a pack coupons. If it's been between 1-2 months, they send $1.50 off a pack. If it's been longer than that, they start sending buy one pack, get one free. I can't say that the temptation to start smoking again isn't there, but I've been more or less free of them since March. I do Nov 09 01:18
DaemonFCagree that it's a difficult addiction to fight.Nov 09 01:18
DaemonFCMom has gone crazy and started going to a fundamentalist Christian church. She started blaming _everything_ on demons. Now she's claiming I'm possessed by a demon of nicotine.Nov 09 01:18
DaemonFCDoes it bother anyone else that a person with a nursing degree can have opinions like this?Nov 09 01:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266132Nov 09 01:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today in bank, guard diverted me from teller to machine. I told him, you make tellers redundant. He said it was "good for customers". [1/2]Nov 09 01:20
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SO-RPx9IRcNov 09 01:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | How to Deal With City Hall - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g05gj ]Nov 09 01:20
schestowitz"This really made me laugh, why bother doing over a cash machine, its worthless iou's anyway, bullion is different, would have been better if they emptied the sewage in the foyer LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_fHzHRXn4 'Nov 09 01:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | CCTV shows sewage lorry ram raid on cash machine - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g05gp ]Nov 09 01:21
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266135Nov 09 01:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If guards at shops or banks insist you use a machine and not personal service, tell them: your job could be next in the chopping line [2/2]Nov 09 01:22
schestowitz"Actually, I usually prefer yo use machine, but I was always bit withdrawn - human contact is usually hard, painful and unnecessary, lol. Naaah, j/k ;)"Nov 09 01:22
schestowitzThis request wasn't a simple one, account-to-account transfer... plus withdrawal.Nov 09 01:22
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266065Nov 09 01:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: After Harassing Swartz, Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz’s ‘Depression Problems’ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/11/swartz-foia-november/ killing him softlyNov 09 01:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.com | Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz's 'Depression Problems' | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g01zp ]Nov 09 01:27
schestowitz"Well, well ... no shit, Sherlocks ... everyone would eventually get depressed when charged with ludicrous crap and forced to defend himself. Come on, people, come on ..."Nov 09 01:27
schestowitzThey drove his whole family into needing to remortgage their house to pay legal bills, said Lessig. So they used collective punishment. Many articles overlook this.Nov 09 01:28
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265829Nov 09 01:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Crisis Capitalism: #BillGates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/education-oligarchs/Nov 09 01:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Crisis Capitalism: Bill Gates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05hb ]Nov 09 01:29
schestowitz"It's very sad. Such people should never be allowed to spread the virus of closed-source thinking in an education sector, where everything should be clear and open."Nov 09 01:29
schestowitz"Gates is a small part of whats wrong, what we should be asking ourselves is come the revolution, would we step up and do the right thing."Nov 09 01:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265565Nov 09 01:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/solusos/ #gnu #linuxNov 09 01:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05he ]Nov 09 01:30
schestowitz"Wow, you reminded me about SolusOS ... used to be a nice distro, but it looks like it's dying, eh? money, money, money ..."Nov 09 01:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265441Nov 09 01:30
schestowitzIt's making a lot more than it deserves: http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11 "Nov 09 01:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/fud-campaign-analysts/ #linux #swpats #microsoftNov 09 01:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05hk ]Nov 09 01:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessinsider.com | Microsoft Earns $2 Billion Per Year From Android Patent Royalties - Business Insider  [ http://ur1.ca/g038h ]Nov 09 01:30
schestowitzit's FUD  http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/fud-campaign-analysts/Nov 09 01:32
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265699Nov 09 03:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Free Internet is Dying, and Not Just Due to DRMNov 09 03:51
schestowitz"I was sad to see Tim Berners-Lee endorse DRM in HTML5."Nov 09 03:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Free Internet is Dying, and Not Just Due to DRM | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05gs ]Nov 09 03:51
schestowitz"Nov 09 03:55
schestowitzI have told Rianne to use this E-mail because your yahoo account, like bellsouth, is now rejecting her messages.Nov 09 03:55
schestowitzI hate services that just liberally block anything they don't like; they care not at all about communications, it's not part of their business model.Nov 09 03:55
schestowitz"Nov 09 03:55
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3262558Nov 09 05:14
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: How to write your book using Linux http://opensource.com/life/13/11/how-write-book-with-linuxNov 09 05:14
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | How to write a book using Linux and LibreOffice: The Librarian’s Guide to Academic Research in the Cloud | opensource.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g0650 ]Nov 09 05:14
schestowitz"Yeah, he's using Open Source in a way someone does who was addicted to M$ for years. I commented another post of him and refered to tools like Sphinx. http://www.hasecke.eu/Members/juh/sphinx-a-tool-for-self-publisher"Nov 09 05:14
TechrightsBot-trwww.hasecke.eu | Sphinx: A productivity tool for self publisher — hasecke.eu  [ http://ur1.ca/cya53 ]Nov 09 05:14
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl8w-cMqNfINov 09 05:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Conan The Destroyer - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g06ad ]Nov 09 05:36
Snowleaksange3.5 hrs till first game of chess world champsNov 09 05:49
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P08B_lBUL0ENov 09 10:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Russian police — Get lucky - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g0798 ]Nov 09 10:33
DaemonFChttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/08/comedian-mitch-benn-on-the-link-between-conservatism-and-low-intelligence/Nov 09 11:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.rawstory.com | Comedian Mitch Benn on the link between conservatism and low intelligence | The Raw Story  [ http://ur1.ca/g07dm ]Nov 09 11:04
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schestowitztuxmachines is being migrated nowNov 09 12:11
schestowitzthe domain firstyNov 09 12:11
schestowitz"Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> I'm about to start the transfer, and I will immediately add theNov 09 12:11
schestowitz> nameservers you provided so that when it switches over it will beNov 09 12:11
schestowitz> pointing to the same location. This should result in no loss of serviceNov 09 12:11
schestowitz> for you.Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> Is it okay for me to proceed with this?Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> Kind Regards,Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> ConnorNov 09 12:11
schestowitzOf course. Thanks for keeping me updated.Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz""Nov 09 12:11
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtkNov 09 12:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Klendathu Drop - Starship Troopers Soundtrack - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g07r9 ]Nov 09 12:17
DaemonFCQuote of the day:Nov 09 12:27
DaemonFCJarrett Terrill: "Craigslist is probably the worst place you could try to find a date... unless you're looking for a 60 year-old man in women's underwear who wants to be pissed on... LOL"Nov 09 12:28
DaemonFChttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Accuses-Criticizing-Website-of-Trademark-Infringement-398261.shtmlNov 09 12:36
TechrightsBot-trnews.softpedia.com | Canonical Accuses Criticizing Website of Trademark Infringement  [ http://ur1.ca/g07uj ]Nov 09 12:36
DaemonFCKDE 4.11.3 seems to work fine.Nov 09 12:38
DaemonFCI haven't experienced any bugs so far.Nov 09 12:38
DaemonFCIt is a long term support release, so it should get a lot of updates. (Two years)Nov 09 12:39
DaemonFCI don't know why they declared that for 4.11 and then decided to release a 4.12.Nov 09 12:39
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DaemonFCShouldn't the last major release of the KDE 4 series be the LTS?Nov 09 12:39
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Sosumione of my dumbass teachers forced us into using a docx filled with all sort of macros to submit a couple of relatoriesNov 09 13:58
Sosumiwhich don't translate that well into libreofficeNov 09 13:59
Sosumiso yeah, I'm loving itNov 09 13:59
Sosumibtw, it's also the same guy who forced us (I didn't bend over) into using facebook for course coordinationNov 09 14:02
SosumiI actually think, in a matter of speaking, that they only forced students into facebook in order to snoop on themNov 09 14:06
Sosumisince I've caught another teacher saying the those "likes" on the course page and subsquest interaction provided a nice stream of cashNov 09 14:07
Sosumiso they're probably the info gathered for sociological studies type studies and alikes as well for the effects of publicityNov 09 14:08
Sosumidid I mention that they log all internet activity associated with the student ID?Nov 09 14:09
SosumiI actually got called to attention to stop using a VPN while using the university wifi networkNov 09 14:10
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XFaCEschestowitz: "In 2009, Jane Silber became the CEO of Canonical in 2009. Canonical makes Ubuntu.Nov 09 14:43
XFaCEJane Silber's previous job was at that military contractor, namely the C4 Division of General Dynamics. It turns out that at the C4 Systems division is all about using computers for spying."Nov 09 14:43
XFaCEschestowitz: I think you wrote about this beforeNov 09 14:43
XFaCEhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131107/17583725174/disappointing-to-see-canonical-act-like-trademark-bully-over-ubuntu.shtml#c83Nov 09 14:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.techdirt.com | Disappointing To See Canonical Act Like A Trademark Bully Over Ubuntu | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g08c7 ]Nov 09 14:44
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/sony-adds-some-freebies-to-ps4-launch-packages/Nov 09 14:59
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Sony adds some freebies to PS4 launch packages | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g08e8 ]Nov 09 14:59
Sosuminow you see why the PS4 doesn't support cd and mp3 playbackNov 09 14:59
Sosumi"music unlimited" and "streaming"Nov 09 14:59
Sosumizee powa of zee cloudNov 09 15:00
Sosumior how we strip you out of ownershipNov 09 15:00
Sosumior how we infected your PCs with dumb drmNov 09 15:00
Sosumisony, lawlNov 09 15:00
Sosumilinux and osx could circunvent that without lifting a finger anywaysNov 09 15:02
Sosumithe cd would show up as two, one part containing data and another containing music filesNov 09 15:03
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Sosuminvidia cutting support for 32bit linuxNov 09 15:24
Sosumiand Iran nuclear deal will certainly failNov 09 15:24
Sosumibecause of israhell, as usualNov 09 15:25
Sosumibut actuallyNov 09 15:25
SosumiUS should defend and Syria from Israel, shooting down Israeli airplanes, missiles, etcNov 09 15:26
Sosumikind of a like a reverse USS LibertyNov 09 15:26
Sosumiand then when the time is right, pit Iran against china and russia by cutting energy corridorsNov 09 15:27
Sosumikind of like a venician type operation of letting others fight for youNov 09 15:28
Sosumithat'd be an intelligent way to fulfill the PNAC planNov 09 15:29
Sosumi*typo, it's venitianNov 09 15:29
Sosumi**venetian :)Nov 09 15:30
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iophkOIN can't actually do anything about patent trolls.Nov 09 16:17
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/4-ways-open-source-protects-you-against-software-patents-230433Nov 09 16:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | 4 ways open source protects you against software patents | Open Source Software - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g08r2 ]Nov 09 16:17
*sebsebseb is now known as sebsebsebbNov 09 16:27
*sebsebsebb is now known as sebsebsebNov 09 16:27
iophkhttp://opensource.com/life/13/11/dave-crossland-history-future-open-source-fontsNov 09 16:43
TechrightsBot-tropensource.com | Open source and free software fonts, interview with Dave Crossland | opensource.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g08v2 ]Nov 09 16:43
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/dutch-cyber-security-centre-linux-suitable-businessesNov 09 16:44
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | Dutch cyber security centre: Linux suitable for businesses | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/g08vc ]Nov 09 16:44
iophk"On 30 October, the centre, part of the Ministry of Security and Justice,  published a 'Factsheet' urging users of this aged system to switch"Nov 09 16:45
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sebsebsebiophk: Guess what I plan too do today, quite soon in factNov 09 18:07
iophk?Nov 09 18:07
iophkdemo Mageia?Nov 09 18:08
sebsebsebiophk: uh what noNov 09 18:11
sebsebsebI use MageiaNov 09 18:11
sebsebsebso why woud I demo it?Nov 09 18:11
iophkFor other people to see it and decide to use it.Nov 09 18:12
sebsebsebiophk: no that meeting is  not untill 19thNov 09 18:16
sebsebsebiophk: got to get Mageia 4 BEta 1 out firt to, then the guy who makes the proper ISOs' will make me remasters it seesNov 09 18:16
sebsebsebMaeia 4 Beta 1 currently being delayed, since they are sorting out installer bugs and such early this this time round, or maybe not so much early, but whe nit should be done realyNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebas in before an RCNov 09 18:17
iophkcool that he's helpingNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebthere's a Beta 2 yet as wlelNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebiophk: no voluntere for jitsi thoughNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebnot  on the ailing list anyway,  not sure if he wants to packae that so hmmNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebiophk: semes the remsaterng wiki page is good now anyway, but sure may as wel have him doing it  I guessNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebjust need to tell hm what I Want in the ISO's and suchNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebiophk: so what a m I thinking of doing?Nov 09 18:18
iophk?525ebbe79e56fcb476a3f254706dbe54cc0c38265f0e31edcb8086debf1a22Nov 09 18:18
sebsebsebhmmNov 09 18:20
sebsebsebiophk: to check for a correct md5sum or sha1sum?Nov 09 18:20
sebsebsebuhmm sureNov 09 18:20
sebsebsebthat's part of it reallyNov 09 18:20
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sebsebsebiophk: so what is it?Nov 09 18:21
iophksha256Nov 09 18:21
sebsebsebyeah might be checkin for that toNov 09 18:21
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sebsebsebsince  just going to test somethingNov 09 18:21
sebsebsebdon't really need to do such checks as such, but may as wellNov 09 18:21
sebsebsebtest what? and in what?Nov 09 18:21
iophkmake sure it is wholeNov 09 18:21
sebsebsebmake sure wat is whole?Nov 09 18:22
iophkwhat ever you are working onNov 09 18:22
sebsebsebschestowitz wil love eNov 09 18:22
sebsebsebmeNov 09 18:22
sebsebseb!Nov 09 18:22
sebsebsebI am going to test out properly Open Suse in Virtualbox that's my plan!Nov 09 18:22
iophkWaste of time...Nov 09 18:22
sebsebsebeven put on my Open Suse t-shirt from FOSDEM 2012 earlier,  with this in  mindNov 09 18:22
sebsebsebiophk: no it's notNov 09 18:22
sebsebsebiophk: remember I have to tell them why Mageia would be better than Open SseNov 09 18:22
sebsebsebor so it seemsNov 09 18:23
iophkI seeNov 09 18:23
iophkhttp://techrights.org/category/opensuse/Nov 09 18:23
sebsebsebso if I test out Open Suse properly out in Virtualbox,  I can see if there's anything that  would make it more of a winnerNov 09 18:23
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | OpenSUSE | TechrightsNov 09 18:23
sebsebseband the whole Microsoft link and all thatNov 09 18:23
sebsebsebwll be irelivent for this by the wayNov 09 18:23
iophkThere are some other good links from the developers that left Novell in protest.Nov 09 18:24
iophkThey sum up that aspect.Nov 09 18:24
sebsebsebI don't think they wil care about stuff like thatNov 09 18:24
sebsebsebmost of themNov 09 18:24
sebsebsebthey just want a good distro and de for people going from WIndowsNov 09 18:24
iophkfreedom is a good thing.Nov 09 18:24
sebsebsebthey do't care about the moral stuff and history stuf I don't think much for this eventNov 09 18:24
iophkThere's also the money stuff.Nov 09 18:25
iophkPatents cost when the owners decide to collect.Nov 09 18:25
iophkThere's no time limit they have to beat.Nov 09 18:25
iophkLook at what happened with GIF, among others.Nov 09 18:25
sebsebsebI don't think they will care about thatNov 09 18:25
sebsebsebthey just want distro's that are good fo joe and jane averageNov 09 18:25
iophkThe Novell stuff is worse, since there is a paper trail of payments already.Nov 09 18:26
sebsebsebiophk: I don't think they care that maybe not really meant to pre install SKype into the  re master as wellNov 09 18:26
sebsebseband Flash for that matterNov 09 18:26
iophkIf Jitsi is not possible, you could try Linphone  Nov 09 18:26
iophkI think schestowitz has experience with that one.Nov 09 18:27
sebsebsebiophk: if he gets the votes for making the thing for old computers or whatever it wasNov 09 18:27
MinceRsuse is crap, always wasNov 09 18:27
sebsebsebiophk: I think he will make smething baed on Open UseNov 09 18:27
sebsebsebMinceR: right well you  go tell these event peole that isn't good and why  hmmNov 09 18:27
sebsebsebMageia is out for Open SuseNov 09 18:27
MinceRalso, joe and jane average can be sued, and the people providing them with updates can also be suedNov 09 18:27
sebsebsebunless I can win them overNov 09 18:28
iophkYes that is a point, with the patents, the end users are on the hook for the payments, if the owner decides to collect.Nov 09 18:28
sebsebsebMinceR: you think Skype and such shodun't be pre installed?Nov 09 18:28
MinceRi think skype should never be installedNov 09 18:28
sebsebsebiophk: no patents in UK as far as I knowNov 09 18:28
MinceRthe only argument for skype ever was people failing to configure their routers properlyNov 09 18:28
sebsebsebMinceR: you think Flash should be installed?Nov 09 18:28
iophkOr in the EU, but there are companies that still pay anywayNov 09 18:29
MinceRTrash could be handy, but it's best quarantined to a browser profile of its ownNov 09 18:29
sebsebsebiophk: I think still not really meant to put Flash and Skype into a remaster though,  alotugh I guess remasters are a bbit diffenret to the actsual distro'sNov 09 18:29
MinceRso you don't get background audio from every random tab and it doesn't get to eat your cpuNov 09 18:29
sebsebsebiophk: ,but hte distros them seles aren't allowed to provide Skype or Flash from the repo's,  they can provide a packae that directly downloads from Skype  or Adobe thoughNov 09 18:29
MinceRalso, trash cookies could endanger your privacyNov 09 18:30
sebsebsebiophk: thing is no Youtube working etc,  Average Joe and Jane will think Linux sucksNov 09 18:30
iophkPutting them on a remaster might be dodgy tooNov 09 18:30
MinceRalso, i have a trash killer scriptNov 09 18:30
sebsebsebiophk: yep that's what I meanNov 09 18:30
iophkYoutube works fine with the flash to html pluginNov 09 18:30
iophkin FirefoxNov 09 18:30
MinceRaverage joe and jane weren't it experts before, either :>Nov 09 18:30
sebsebsebiophk: they use more than just Youtube though avverage pepleNov 09 18:30
sebsebsebMinceR: what's that?Nov 09 18:30
MinceRalso, trash videos work better on my GNU/Linux tablet pc with an intel gpu than they do on winblowsNov 09 18:31
MinceRsebsebseb: what's what?Nov 09 18:31
sebsebsebwhat you just putNov 09 18:31
iophkhttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/Nov 09 18:31
TechrightsBot-traddons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox  [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ]Nov 09 18:31
iophkWorks for meNov 09 18:31
MinceRsebsebseb: where?Nov 09 18:31
sebsebseb[18:30] <MinceR> average joe and jane weren't it experts before, either :>Nov 09 18:31
MinceRyou said they thought linux suckedNov 09 18:32
sebsebsebI didn't understandNov 09 18:32
MinceRi wouldn't ask them for IT adviceNov 09 18:32
sebsebsebMinceR: they will if Flash and such doesn't just worNov 09 18:32
sebsebsebMinceR: organisng an eent aimed at Average Joe and JaneNov 09 18:32
sebsebsebto try and get them intereted in Linux etcNov 09 18:32
MinceRthen again, if they enjoy being interrupted every 5 minutes with pointless crap, they can use winblowsNov 09 18:32
MinceRor write a script that throws up random pointless popups that steal focus :>Nov 09 18:32
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-09/bitcoin-touches-400-senate-starts-asking-questions-does-fedNov 09 18:32
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | As BitCoin Touches $400 The Senate Starts Seeking Answers... As Does The Fed | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g09ca ]Nov 09 18:32
iophkYes, security is an advantage of Linux.  If you install Flash, you defeat a lot of that advantage.Nov 09 18:33
MinceRlast time i plugged a winblows laptop into a docking station, i spend about 2 hours clicking through driver installsNov 09 18:33
MinceRit installed everything at least twiceNov 09 18:33
MinceR(most of them unnecessarily, like standard usb hubs and HIDs)Nov 09 18:33
MinceRs/spend/spent/Nov 09 18:33
MinceRoh, and it gave me a popup that it would like to reboot every hourNov 09 18:34
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MinceRat least there are free implementations for Trash and none of them need communication with random hosts in closed protocolsNov 09 18:51
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iophksebsebseb: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061221081000710Nov 09 19:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Jeremy Allison Has Resigned from Novell  to Protest  MS Patent Deal  [ http://ur1.ca/ffk3u ]Nov 09 19:23
iophkjust in caseNov 09 19:23
iophkYou can probably disqualify it on technical merits too.Nov 09 19:24
sebsebsebiophk: I don't knowNov 09 19:24
sebsebsebiophk: yast is a control centre type thingNov 09 19:24
sebsebsebas wellNov 09 19:24
sebsebsebiophk: I think Magiea 4 will get a later KDE point relase thoughNov 09 19:25
sebsebsebsince when version freeze is and suchNov 09 19:25
sebsebsebso for a later KDE  Magiea has the later oneNov 09 19:25
sebsebsebiophk: Open Suse 13.1 in 9 daysNov 09 19:25
sebsebsebI am going to give development a try in VirtualboxNov 09 19:25
iophkyum is going away, starting with Fedora, but probably spreading to other distros over timeNov 09 19:26
iophkhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ2MzENov 09 19:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] DNF Package Manager Yum-Replacement Moves Ahead  [ http://ur1.ca/g09nd ]Nov 09 19:26
sebsebsebiophk: I said yast not yumNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebnot sure what the command is to install stuff for OPen SUseNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebiophk: control centre is also getting a GNOME replacementNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebupstreamNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebI meanNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebsoftware centreNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebiophk: I have a feeling it might end up being something like this,  Mint for Cinnamon,  Open Suse, for KDENov 09 19:27
sebsebsebiophk: Mageia for GNOME 3 GNOME ShellNov 09 19:27
iophkGnome is over.Nov 09 19:28
sebsebsebit seems it isn't so simple to just win both  KDE and GNOMENov 09 19:28
sebsebsebfor this eventNov 09 19:28
iophkKDE on Mageia would be best if you can pull it off.Nov 09 19:28
sebsebsebiophk: I think lookswise it might ook nicer hte background in Open SuseNov 09 19:28
sebsebseb,but no idea what the background will be for Mageia 4 yetNov 09 19:28
sebsebsebiophk: he's used Suse for iek 10 yars or soNov 09 19:28
iophkWhy not set your own background image?Nov 09 19:28
sebsebsebhe seems techicalNov 09 19:28
sebsebsebhe's won the event co ordinater over already it seemsNov 09 19:29
iophk:(Nov 09 19:29
sebsebseband not sure how others will vote etcNov 09 19:29
sebsebsebiophk: I think Mageia may get voted out as I kept on saying thoughNov 09 19:29
sebsebsebunless I can win them over on the 19th hmmNov 09 19:29
iophkIt seems stupid to vote, that seems like politicsNov 09 19:29
sebsebsebindeedNov 09 19:29
sebsebseband everyone is baiesd to their own thingNov 09 19:29
sebsebsebwhat they think they watNov 09 19:29
sebsebsebevent co ordinater wants Mint really as well he's mad that clear all alongNov 09 19:30
iophkHow did it go to bring up deciding on the DEs first?Nov 09 19:30
sebsebsebthe guy who wants mInt wants mint etcNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebiophk: nearly sent a email suggesting that, but no Nov 09 19:30
sebsebsebit won't relay workNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebiophk: it's the vote now and that's itNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebcan't do a email voteNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebthingNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebon iterfaces first, seems it won't workNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebiophk: what they want to do is have a distro, and put a interface with itNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebor have a interface and put a distro with itNov 09 19:31
sebsebsebseems one distro may get used per choosen interface as wellNov 09 19:31
sebsebsebiophk: I may lose KDE to OPen Suse, but I may be able to win GNOME 3  GNOME Shell for MageiaNov 09 19:31
iophkmaybe start your own event?Nov 09 19:31
sebsebsebto late nowNov 09 19:31
sebsebsebwho wil join me?Nov 09 19:31
iophkothers not in this eventNov 09 19:32
iophkit's not going to be an installfest now anywayNov 09 19:32
sebsebsebiophk: maybe I can win some people over at my speakers group to Mageia etc ovver time :)Nov 09 19:32
iophkif you run an installfest, you can make a plan and then shop that plan around to people that are willing to participate in *that* planNov 09 19:32
sebsebsebalready showed  someone whenever it was etcNov 09 19:32
sebsebsebiophk: the indea of doing loads of installs is out since only got six hours for the eventNov 09 19:33
sebsebsebidea aboveNov 09 19:33
sebsebsebiophk: maybe in a way going from Windows to Open Suse, is a bit like going from Microsoft to Microsoft, well going by you guys anyway that is, but I guess still better than running WIndows itselfNov 09 19:33
sebsebsebI mean it's still a Linux distribution with  KDE and GNOME and what notNov 09 19:34
iophkit's a least desirable pathNov 09 19:34
sebsebsebhmm?Nov 09 19:34
iophkWhy always mentioning GNOME, it's gone.Nov 09 19:34
sebsebsebno it's notNov 09 19:34
sebsebsebI prefer GNOMENov 09 19:34
sebsebsebGNOME  Shell is my choosen interfaceNov 09 19:34
iophkPeople have moved to Cinnamon, Mate and XFCENov 09 19:34
sebsebseband yes even in Mageia a distro that is seen as rather well KDE fousseddistroNov 09 19:34
sebsebsebKDE by defauet etcNov 09 19:35
iophkKDE should be showcasedNov 09 19:35
sebsebsebhowever I am using raqor qt quite a lot on this lap top more recently, since major slowness issues here and there on this netbook with GNOMENov 09 19:35
iophkIMHO also XFCE and UnityNov 09 19:35
sebsebsebiophk: Unity is out probbably a wlel as I already saidNov 09 19:35
sebsebseband his custom  thing for old computers if he gets his way, I guess will be something Open Suse basd with XFCE or whateverNov 09 19:36
iophkMint is just a copy of Ubuntu without Mint.  Better to stay upstream.Nov 09 19:36
iophkAlways stay upstream when possible.Nov 09 19:36
sebsebsebMint is just Ubuntu really yeah I knowNov 09 19:36
sebsebsebwith the except of Cinnamon as interfaceNov 09 19:36
sebsebsebnd Mate and a few toolsNov 09 19:36
sebsebsebiophk: realy it's like we got Ubuntu twiceNov 09 19:36
sebsebsebexcept some differneces when it comes to interface and that's about itNov 09 19:37
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iophk75 yearsNov 09 20:04
iophkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KristallnachtNov 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Kristallnacht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/g04t6 ]Nov 09 20:04
iophkhttp://phys.org/news/2013-11-open-source-lens-microscope.htmlNov 09 20:06
TechrightsBot-trphys.org | Open-source through the lens of a microscope  [ http://ur1.ca/g09x5 ]Nov 09 20:06
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SosumiAMD puts an bandaid on the r290Nov 09 21:12
Sosumibut that does nothing with the binningsNov 09 21:13
Sosumiso far review units > saphire builds > asus buildsNov 09 21:13
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iophk1http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/01/nsa-data-collection-tech-firms&nick iphkNov 03 07:35
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/01/nsa-data-collection-tech-firms&nick )Nov 03 07:35
iophk1 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/01/nsa-data-collection-tech-firmsNov 03 07:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Snowden document reveals key role of companies in NSA data collection | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fz8i8 ]Nov 03 07:35
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iophkhttp://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/10/if-teens-dont-think-facebook-is-cool-anymore-should-facebook-worry/281058/Nov 03 09:49
TechrightsBot-trwww.theatlantic.com | If Teens Don't Think Facebook Is Cool Anymore, Should Facebook Worry? - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic  [ http://ur1.ca/fz93b ]Nov 03 09:50
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3232952Nov 03 10:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a WarrantNov 03 10:23
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fyv3k ]Nov 03 10:23
schestowitzAnyway, if one is to use a system with proprietary bits, I would at least recommend using one made by a company that isn't a founding member of PRISM..."77"Nov 03 10:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396936774158909441  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396937112446316544  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396937333469380608  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396938015333175296  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396938832639430656Nov 03 10:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: It sure seems like debate about long-term health effects of xG wireless connections sidelined not b/c it's OK but b/c smartphones Net='cool'Nov 03 10:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Companionship for technophiles http://t.co/dqxrnnPFQkNov 03 10:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: In David Miranda’s Case, UK Security Services Argue Traveling with Secret Documents Is ‘Terrorism’ (def' expanded) http://t.co/e4pLaPs4PLNov 03 10:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> dissenter.firedoglake.com | In David Miranda’s Case, UK Security Services Argue Traveling with Secret Documents Is ‘Terrorism’  |  The DissenterNov 03 10:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Inspired by Snowden, more #NSA insiders are blowing the whistle http://t.co/7W8bYiVr4V maybe they know what whistleblowing meansNov 03 10:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> boingboing.net | Inspired by Snowden, more NSA insiders are blowing the whistle - Boing BoingNov 03 10:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Perhaps #snowden is becoming the real-life Guy Fawkes, the anonymous persona through which anonymous leakers claim leaks to have come fromNov 03 10:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396939480479059968  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396939918989357056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396942134441693184  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396942945712361472Nov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: What US DOJ whistleblower is saying suggests that the #nsa now has unknown leakers, i.e. sort of moles, in its staff http://t.co/uZFzuOeIbMNov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> abcnews.go.com | More NSA Leakers Followed Snowden’s Footsteps, Whistleblower Lawyer Says - ABC NewsNov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #NSA learns (just like the CIA) that cracking down on leakers is counter-productive http://t.co/033lSmjxJ9 http://t.co/2sgPinAhtINov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> rt.com | Leaked: CIA aims crackdown on leaks inside CIA — RT USANov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.slate.com | CIA leaks: Leaked agency memo tells agents to stop leaking information to the media.Nov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #nsa has acknowledges that #Microsoft #PowerPoint helped Snowden copy docs, nobody knows which. Any leak "must have come from Snowden!"Nov 03 10:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The only approach for #nsa to reveal other leakers by is the "Cheney approach": WATERBOARD Miranda, Raddack, Thomas, Binney, Appelbaum....Nov 03 10:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396943702792630272  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396945790478065664  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396946817843466240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396947164473344000Nov 03 10:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: I always knew our politicians were cold-hearted, but for crying out loud, how much are they heating them up? http://t.co/oBtsWAyNZRNov 03 10:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.itv.com | MPs' '200k energy bill expenses' - ITV NewsNov 03 10:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: '"We did see a decrease in daily users, specifically among younger teens," Facebook acknowledged.' http://t.co/P9qi7PQUA7Nov 03 10:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Facebook: perfect solution. Taxpayers provide information on themselves and other taxpayers, at taxpayers' own expense (time). #nsa #fbNov 03 10:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The government should worry about Facebook's declining 'approval rate'. Should advertise on TV. Think about the children! They stop spying.Nov 03 10:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396947575150227456  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396947889739812865  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396948113921150976   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396949001435906048    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396949718757957633Nov 03 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: I know young people (teenage/younger) that upload photos from inside homes of privacy-seeking (grand)parents who complain but can't stop itNov 03 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Facebook is turning generations of young (loved) people who essentially act like Trojan horses or informants on family and friends. [1/2]Nov 03 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: People hardly need #facerec #geotag #connections to recognise their friends and where they go. This 'metadata' serves strangers/spies [2/2]Nov 03 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Does Apple hope to get government favours (or subsidies) by advancing the dangerous concept of phones (GPS) with un-detachable batteries?Nov 03 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Overzealous spying on taxpayers with subsidies from taxpayers (or taxpayers' ever-growing national debt)is getting hard to sell to taxpayersNov 03 10:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/tutorkag/status/396948395538915329Nov 03 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@tutorkag: @schestowitz Zuck fucks plan? Dunno...where ta fuck it gonna go? One's know...hahaNov 03 10:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/avriette/status/396949700802539520Nov 03 10:42
TechrightsBot-tr@avriette: @schestowitz only, like, without the blowing-up-government-buildings part, right? Or did you mean the inane masks thing?Nov 03 10:42
schestowitzThe masks of course :-)Nov 03 10:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3229526Nov 03 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "First migrants and recent immigrants were rounded up from Greece's streets and forced into internment camps" http://act.watchdog.net/petitions/3322?l=517X7hH_L6QNov 03 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> act.watchdog.net | Tell EU Member States: Save Greek "undesirables" from internment camps!  [ http://ur1.ca/fyo4t ]Nov 03 10:43
schestowitz"Hmmm... so if, simplistically, it was a combination of a high number of interned people with extreme financial hardship, then it will be interesting to see what finally happens when the world nations finally lose faith in the ever inflating US dollar a few years down the line, especially when all their current spying tech presumably lets the government discover all kinds of new classes of "dissidents" quickly and easily. The real Nov 03 10:44
schestowitzquestion is, will things like the public reaction to the ongoing release of Edward Snowdens documents do anything to change the current direction of more spying, more martial law? Interesting times, indeed."Nov 03 10:44
schestowitzI reckon the rich people will continue to flee countries in trouble and find haven in other greedy nations that want their spendings (not tax, they use tax havens); they'll just hop from place to place like Russian oligarchs and set up gov. structures like NSA to go after protesters... I mean, terrorists.Nov 03 10:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/avriette/status/396951032527605760Nov 03 10:46
TechrightsBot-tr@avriette: @schestowitz I wonder, not infrequently, whether people understand the symbolism they invoke so casually.Nov 03 10:46
schestowitzI wondered that too, But words and names change with connotation. Examples: the names Napoleon, Columbus; The word hacker.Nov 03 10:47
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/avriette/status/396952153308536832Nov 03 10:51
TechrightsBot-tr@avriette: @schestowitz true enough. Perhaps I just choose to indulge in a little get-off-my-lawn-ing.Nov 03 10:51
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396954788350664704  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396955683050225664  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396962460437336064  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396964848191676416Nov 03 11:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Metropolitan police detained #DavidMiranda for promoting 'political' causes http://t.co/SFc4fMYmP2 #uk #policestate #politicsNov 03 11:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Metropolitan police detained David Miranda for promoting 'political' causes | World news | The ObserverNov 03 11:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "UK govt beats its mighty chest, now explicitly equates journalism with 'terrorism' and 'espionage'." http://t.co/SFc4fMYmP2Nov 03 11:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Tolokonnikova has complained of abuses by the prison staff in Mordovia." http://t.co/ULUqflaOin now disappeared. #russiaNov 03 11:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Pussy Riot: Tolokonnikova 'out of sight' since jail moveNov 03 11:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Rich people couldn't care less s http://t.co/qc3Wrpn9E4 "people with less money are better at.. a measure called empathy accuracy."Nov 03 11:44
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.smh.com.au | Rich people couldn't care lessNov 03 11:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/396970010557440000Nov 03 12:03
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz interesting, either the link was broken, or the article...removed.Nov 03 12:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396966793346301952  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396967611072012288  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396968109112053761  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396968421914857473  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396969534172971008  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396970249406656512Nov 03 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Teacher arrested for possession of math https://t.co/oU7mkjkmnxNov 03 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Shackles for young adults http://t.co/laxKCbPTjC scary stuffNov 03 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Russian prison service says Nadezhda Tolokonnikova has been moved"    http://t.co/Ne8CzNzRS6 In Russia, hungry get YOUNov 03 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Pussy Riot band member sent to new prison | World news | theguardian.comNov 03 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Economic fears persist" http://t.co/Nx1fHc1qaO classy!Nov 03 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Documents reveal NSA’s extensive involvement in targeted killing program http://t.co/eiokMaQa9t #nsa #cia #drones #assassinationNov 03 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/documents-reveal-nsas-extensive-involvement-in-targeted-killing-program/2013/10/16/29775278-3674-11e3-8a0e- )Nov 03 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Wealth http://t.co/hsd8o2ITVQNov 03 12:04
MinceRgeekingsNov 03 12:52
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Nov 03 15:14
DaemonFCa few seconds agoNov 03 15:14
DaemonFChttp://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/10/05/us-usa-healthcare-technology-analysis-idUKBRE99407T20131005Nov 03 15:14
TechrightsBot-truk.reuters.com | Analysis: IT experts question architecture of Obamacare website | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/fzahk ]Nov 03 15:14
DaemonFCSomeone finally noticed that it takes a lot of Shims to make Monoposoft Internet Exploder render standards-compliant code.Nov 03 15:14
iophkJust have them download Firefox, Opera or Chromium instead.  It will cost the country less both on the web site and in malware as they use the browsers elsewhere.Nov 03 15:20
DaemonFCWell, I think that the W3C should be disbanded and that Gecko should be the de facto standard.Nov 03 15:37
DaemonFCIt would be better than what's coming out of the W3C lately.Nov 03 15:37
DaemonFCNow we've got them telling us that DRM is a web standard even though nobody is allowed to know how it works.Nov 03 15:39
DaemonFC:)Nov 03 15:39
MinceRi'm not so sure of gecko now that mozilla is promoting h.264Nov 03 16:44
MinceRlooks like the community will have to start the whole web fight all over againNov 03 16:44
MinceRbuild open standards and build free browsers that support hemNov 03 16:45
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244091Nov 03 16:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Tolokonnikova has complained of abuses by the prison staff in Mordovia." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24786119 now disappeared. #russiaNov 03 16:48
schestowitz"Mordor... uuh read that wrong."Nov 03 16:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3244187Nov 03 16:49
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schestowitzNever liked Star Wars."77"Nov 03 16:50
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DaemonFCschestowitz: I never did understand why people like the Lord of the Rings movies so much.Nov 03 16:59
DaemonFCIt's literally like four hours of walking through landscapes and forests.Nov 03 16:59
DaemonFCThe books are probably better, I don't know.Nov 03 17:01
DaemonFCI made the mistake of watching one of the movies and now I don't even care.Nov 03 17:01
DaemonFCA movie has to be pretty damned boring before I'll fall asleep.Nov 03 17:04
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MinceRlol @animgifNov 03 17:09
MinceRlooks just like hungaryNov 03 17:09
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SosumiLord of the Rings doesn't ring any bell to me...Nov 03 19:31
SosumiI see, you can't just walk into Mordor or something like that and one of the guy dies in beggining...Nov 03 19:31
Sosumiis it related to The Rings of the Nibelung?Nov 03 19:32
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sebsebsebhi iophkNov 03 19:53
iophkhiNov 03 19:53
sebsebsebiophk: I made a Mageia 3 GNOE remaster not last night, but one beforeNov 03 19:54
sebsebsebneed to do a KDE to reallyNov 03 19:54
sebsebsebetcNov 03 19:54
sebsebsebiophk: also there's stil the debate about what distros to have etcNov 03 19:54
sebsebseb2 or 3Nov 03 19:54
iophkHow did you get the remaster working?Nov 03 19:54
sebsebsebiophk: soeones like someone might have to back out having their distroNov 03 19:55
sebsebsebI think I need to send a email with the reasons for MageiaNov 03 19:55
sebsebseband for Ubuntu dNov 03 19:55
iophkTwo distros max. otherwise there is too much hassle for you and confusion for the novices.Nov 03 19:55
sebsebsebI Think that could be goodNov 03 19:55
iophkagreedNov 03 19:55
sebsebsebiophk: I think it' Mint and Open Suse that we don't need :DNov 03 19:55
iophkcan do without those I hinkNov 03 19:55
iophkthinkNov 03 19:55
sebsebsebof course someone else might think we don't need MageiaNov 03 19:56
iophkIt's much better to work with a community based distro.Nov 03 19:56
iophkMageia is one.Nov 03 19:56
sebsebseb2  or 3 max is the ideaNov 03 19:56
sebsebsebiophk: here's what the older guy put hold onNov 03 19:56
iophkAs I wrote before, one distro for the various choices of Desktop environment, except for Unity.  Then Ubuntu to provide Unity.Nov 03 19:58
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423514/iPads-banned-from-Cabinet-meetings-over-surveillance-fears.htmlNov 03 19:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | iPads banned from Cabinet meetings over surveillance fears - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fzbr5 ]Nov 03 19:59
sebsebsebiophk: well not much he said realyNov 03 19:59
sebsebsebjust 2 or 3Nov 03 19:59
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sebsebseb2 and  then oen for old machinesNov 03 19:59
sebsebseband may have to vote on them later or hwateverNov 03 19:59
sebsebsebiophk: yes maybe I should directly propose that nowNov 03 20:00
sebsebsebone distro to show the othe de's MagieaNov 03 20:00
iophkKDE, XFCE, LXDE?Nov 03 20:00
sebsebseband then Ubuntu for UNityNov 03 20:00
sebsebsebif they really want 2, Mageia and Ubuntu, becuase...Nov 03 20:00
sebsebsebif 3 people can debate about if it should be Mint or Open Suse as the 3rdNov 03 20:00
iophkOf the two, mint is the lesser problem.Nov 03 20:01
sebsebsebiophk: what if Mageia is rejected by them?Nov 03 20:01
iophkBuild a good case for using it.Nov 03 20:01
sebsebsebiophk: at the moment we got,  Mageia 4,  Open Suse, Mint, and possily Ubuntu as wellNov 03 20:01
sebsebsebthat's fourNov 03 20:01
sebsebseb,but only 2 or 3 is wantedNov 03 20:01
iophkUbuntu has Unity, so that is kind of a given.Nov 03 20:02
sebsebsebso at least one has to goNov 03 20:02
sebsebsebiophk: exactly Ubuntu is the only one with UnityNov 03 20:02
sebsebsebplus it's the more commonly known one etcNov 03 20:02
iophkMint is just Ubuntu.  Suse is M$Nov 03 20:02
sebsebsebso should be inNov 03 20:02
sebsebsebMint is just Ubuntu really except some changes and CInnamon and Mate which can run in Mageia 4 anywa from repo'sNov 03 20:02
sebsebsebiophk: and Open SUes is just whatever yeahNov 03 20:02
sebsebsebI think I'll put in the for reasons for Mageia and UbuntuNov 03 20:03
sebsebseband let people debate  Mint and OPen SuseNov 03 20:03
sebsebsebwhat can Open SUse do that Magiea can't?Nov 03 20:03
sebsebsebthat these people may want, I can't think of somethingNov 03 20:03
sebsebsebiophk: I thinkk it's Open Suse or  Mint that should go, if only having 3Nov 03 20:03
sebsebsebMageia 4 is also released at a great time for our eventNov 03 20:04
sebsebsebmeans it's still got 16 months of support leftNov 03 20:04
iophkMint + Ubuntu would be redundant since Mint is Ubuntu repackagedNov 03 20:04
iophkSupport timing is importantNov 03 20:04
sebsebsebyeah it's silly having both isn't it, Mint and UbuntuNov 03 20:04
sebsebsebcan run  Mate and Cinnamon in Ubuntu anywayNov 03 20:04
iophkor on mageia?Nov 03 20:04
sebsebsebyep or on MagieaNov 03 20:05
Sosumihttp://latewire.com/1195Nov 03 20:05
TechrightsBot-trlatewire.com | Thunderbolt in New Mac Pro Worse Than Previously ThoughtNov 03 20:05
sebsebsebiophk: Mageia 4 comes out at a great tie well a bit before our eventNov 03 20:05
Sosumicompreensible analisysNov 03 20:05
sebsebsebthat was  my whole idea as wellNov 03 20:05
Sosumialso thunderbolt is crap in all formsNov 03 20:05
sebsebsebiophk: best to give them a version of a distro that is supported 16 months still :dNov 03 20:05
sebsebsebthen one that only has a year or soleftNov 03 20:05
Sosumiglad that it didn't take over in the desktop pcNov 03 20:05
sebsebsebiophk: yep email writing timeNov 03 20:06
sebsebsebthe one about distrosNov 03 20:06
sebsebseband the one about usb sticks and being free swag unlessNov 03 20:06
sebsebseband  replies to others and yeahNov 03 20:06
iophkkeep them in separate mailsNov 03 20:06
sebsebsebyes I willNov 03 20:06
sebsebseband going to end up doing a fewNov 03 20:06
sebsebsebiophk: Mint was oringally started to make codecs easier to install into Ubuntu basicallyNov 03 20:07
sebsebseband then later became a Unity haters distroNov 03 20:07
sebsebsebUnity haters/dislikersNov 03 20:07
MinceRyou're saying that as if it was bad to hate unity :>Nov 03 20:07
sebsebsebiophk: it's better to gie peole Ubuntu as well, since they get more support htereNov 03 20:07
sebsebsebmassive #ubuntu channelNov 03 20:07
sebsebsebforums that go back over 10 yaears etcNov 03 20:07
sebsebsebI lik Mint IRC, but it's small etcNov 03 20:07
sebsebsebiophk: yep i have too do a unbaised  for Mageia and Ubuntu email I thinkNov 03 20:08
iophkUbuntu has good support.  Are you in time for the LTS in April?Nov 03 20:08
sebsebsebso when I metnion support I can say Mint verion gets the sme as Ubuntu, unless it's Deian based, but that's about as far as I goNov 03 20:08
sebsebsebiophk: no won't be in time for the LTS in AprilNov 03 20:08
sebsebseb,butNov 03 20:08
sebsebsebI have we could tel eople about that, they could intal laterNov 03 20:08
sebsebsebor upgradeNov 03 20:08
sebsebsebI have thought aboveNov 03 20:09
sebsebsebiophk: ,but yes the five years support stuff I'll put that inNov 03 20:09
sebsebsebiophk: apparantlly Canonical even help to some extent with Mageia's kernel updates by the wayNov 03 20:09
sebsebsebI mean say when there are security issues or whatever it wasNov 03 20:09
sebsebsebnot sure if that would be a selling  point for this, but yes there's some sort of callaboraitonNov 03 20:09
sebsebsebmore recentlyNov 03 20:09
iophkHow's the support for Mageia compared to the others?Nov 03 20:10
sebsebsebiophk: Magiea's welcome screen in Magiea 4 that's a good feature toNov 03 20:10
sebsebseba selling pointNov 03 20:10
sebsebsebiophk: support in general?Nov 03 20:10
sebsebsebvery good packaging and qa teamNov 03 20:10
iophkYes, for beginnersNov 03 20:10
sebsebseball volunteers, but vry goodNov 03 20:11
sebsebsebvery friendly commmunity to join for beginersNov 03 20:11
sebsebseband the welcome screen maks it ore clear how to join the community and recomnds some apps for them etcNov 03 20:11
sebsebsebthe graphical  Magiea control centreNov 03 20:11
sebsebsebthat's  a selling feature right thereNov 03 20:11
sebsebsebsort of like a Wndows XP control panel, but for a Linux distro, a launcherNov 03 20:11
sebsebseba very uer friendly feature that only the Mandriva like distros have,  or MandrivaNov 03 20:12
sebsebsebeverything else lacksNov 03 20:12
sebsebsebif 2  distor's this...Nov 03 20:13
sebsebsebif  3 this...Nov 03 20:14
sebsebsebafter doing freasons stuffNov 03 20:14
Sosumihttp://latewire.com/images/fekken_random/NewMP-hello.pngNov 03 20:14
sebsebsebiophk: how about how Magiea is all about stability htingNov 03 20:14
Sosumipict says allNov 03 20:14
sebsebsebiophk: versionfreze being on the 15th OctoberNov 03 20:14
sebsebseband then like three months of testingNov 03 20:14
sebsebsebiophk: I mean look at this release scheduled:  https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development#Development_PlanningNov 03 20:15
sebsebsebhttps://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development#Development_PlanningNov 03 20:15
TechrightsBot-trwiki.mageia.org | Mageia 4 Development - Mageia wiki  [ http://ur1.ca/fzbtn ]Nov 03 20:15
sebsebsebiophk: it's a non commercial distro, a very friendly community to join etcNov 03 20:15
sebsebsebhas the Mandriva legacy behind itNov 03 20:15
sebsebsebsince it was a fork byforer develoers etc etNov 03 20:16
sebsebsebcNov 03 20:16
sebsebsebMandriva/MandrakeNov 03 20:16
synchrisurpmi is preaty niceNov 03 20:18
sebsebsebsynchris: oh do you use it in what?Nov 03 20:19
sebsebseband your new here?Nov 03 20:19
synchrisi tried mageia i found it ok urpmi is better than yum more features better for solving conflicts and etcNov 03 20:19
sebsebsebsynchris: I don't knowNov 03 20:20
sebsebsebI haven't really used Open SUse properlyNov 03 20:20
synchrisbut i am fedora userNov 03 20:20
sebsebseb,but I am organising an event with some people fro my LUG for MarchNov 03 20:20
synchrissebsebseb: opensuse uses urpmi?Nov 03 20:20
sebsebseband  we haven't quite decided on ditros properly etcNov 03 20:20
sebsebsebno Open Suse uses yastNov 03 20:20
sebsebsebsynchris: and I actsallly contribute to MagieaNov 03 20:20
sebsebsebeveryone knows I want thatNov 03 20:20
sebsebseb,butNov 03 20:20
sebsebsebwe got 4 distros, and may only be going with 2 or 3Nov 03 20:21
sebsebsebso at least one has to go thenNov 03 20:21
synchrisi want speak about gentoo or anything relatedNov 03 20:21
sebsebsebMageia 4, (not released yet),  Open Suse,  Ubuntu 13.10,  MintNov 03 20:21
sebsebsebI think Mint or Open Suse should goNov 03 20:21
sebsebsebif only giong to have threeNov 03 20:21
iophktwo is better than threeNov 03 20:22
sebsebsebMageia 4 will be omre user firendly really nice graphical control centreNov 03 20:22
synchrisi can;t say that any distro fullfil my needsNov 03 20:22
synchrisbut whatever mandriva was kind interesting back thenNov 03 20:22
sebsebseband a really nice new welcome sreen for the 4th versionNov 03 20:22
iophkthe selection of desktop environments can be another discussion after selecting the distro to accompany UbuntuNov 03 20:22
synchrisi wanted to install mageia again but i have a lot of work arroundNov 03 20:22
sebsebsebiophk: the guy who wants Ubuntu his idea to show one with GNOE nad another with KDE I  don't like thatNov 03 20:23
iophkMe neither.Nov 03 20:23
iophkUbuntu should show only UnityNov 03 20:23
sebsebsebit willNov 03 20:23
sebsebsebhe mean others to show other oensNov 03 20:23
iophkthen use Mageia for two or three other DEsNov 03 20:23
sebsebsebCopying from email:Nov 03 20:24
sebsebsebI think, with regards to distributions, we should have the following:Nov 03 20:24
sebsebseb1x Gnome-based distro.Nov 03 20:24
sebsebseb1x KDE-based distro.Nov 03 20:24
sebsebseb1x *stock* Ubuntu distro.Nov 03 20:24
sebsebsebplus "one very cut down remix for old machines". Nov 03 20:24
sebsebsebthat's what he thinksNov 03 20:24
sebsebsebthe guy who wants UbuntuNov 03 20:24
iophkIt sounds reasonableNov 03 20:25
iophkBut that 1x distro should be all the same oneNov 03 20:25
sebsebsebiophk: Open Suse and Mageia are both KDE and GNOME distros thoughNov 03 20:25
sebsebsebyeah his thing proposes Nov 03 20:25
sebsebseb3Nov 03 20:25
sebsebseb,but if they really want  only 2, then Mageia and UbuntuNov 03 20:25
sebsebsebcan show KDE in two distor's and GNONE in two, I don't think a big dealNov 03 20:25
iophkGnome is overNov 03 20:26
sebsebsebnoNov 03 20:26
sebsebsebit's notNov 03 20:26
iophkGnome 3 killed itNov 03 20:26
sebsebsebnoNov 03 20:26
synchrisKDE is not betterNov 03 20:26
sebsebseband I am on about showing GNOME 3 when I say showing a GNOMENov 03 20:26
synchrisi use both kde ang gnomeNov 03 20:26
MinceRXFCE is, thoughNov 03 20:26
synchrisand some WMsNov 03 20:26
iophkI'd prioritize XFCENov 03 20:26
sebsebsebMinceR: XFCE is over?Nov 03 20:27
MinceRnopeNov 03 20:27
MinceRit's better than GnomeNov 03 20:27
sebsebsebiophk: I think I should do my thing for Mageia and MintNov 03 20:27
sebsebseband leave things open to anyone else for why may want Mint or Open SUseNov 03 20:27
iophkMint has Unity?Nov 03 20:27
sebsebsebthe guy who wants Open Suse can povide reaosns I am sure why he wnats that I am thinking of basicaly putting that in a emailNov 03 20:28
sebsebsebas wellNov 03 20:28
iophkI thought that was exclusive to UbuntuNov 03 20:28
synchrisa friend told but things about mint ;pNov 03 20:28
synchrisme*Nov 03 20:28
sebsebsebiophk: no Mint does not have UnityNov 03 20:28
synchrisbad*Nov 03 20:28
sebsebsebiophk: that's the reason why Ubuntu is inNov 03 20:28
sebsebsebit's the only one that can run Unity realyNov 03 20:28
iophkexaclyNov 03 20:28
MinceRisn't mint an ubuntu derivative?Nov 03 20:28
sebsebsebwhere as Mate and Cinnamon as I already put in a email from last nightNov 03 20:28
iophkyes it isNov 03 20:28
sebsebsebcan run in other distros anyway soNov 03 20:28
MinceRwhy can't it run unity, then?Nov 03 20:28
MinceRis unity so invasive?Nov 03 20:29
sebsebsebMinceR: I tried to run Unity in Mint beforeNov 03 20:29
sebsebseba year or so Nov 03 20:29
sebsebsebagoNov 03 20:29
sebsebsebI tried to install it from Ubuntu's repo's ,but nopeNov 03 20:29
sebsebsebit was black listd or whateverNov 03 20:29
sebsebsebwoudn't let me install it into MintNov 03 20:29
sebsebsebMinceR: maybe tha's changed now Nov 03 20:29
MinceRicNov 03 20:29
sebsebseb,but it was like they had done something on purpouse so that Unity woudn't be able to run in  MintNov 03 20:29
sebsebsebalso there's no point running Mint now anyway really, unless going to run Mate and Cinnamon, but that can run in other distros toNov 03 20:30
iophkso Mint is off the listNov 03 20:30
sebsebsebUnity will get tighed to MIRNov 03 20:30
sebsebsebI  guesNov 03 20:30
sebsebseband every other didstro or pretty much wil go WaylandNov 03 20:30
sebsebsebiophk: well maybe Mint can run Unity nowNov 03 20:31
sebsebseb,but if it's like what I put before stillNov 03 20:31
sebsebsebiophk: yeah Mint should be off the listNov 03 20:31
sebsebsebreallyNov 03 20:31
sebsebsebunless it's the cut down distor maybe or sethingNov 03 20:31
sebsebsebiophk: I guess I just do my email and whatever from thereNov 03 20:31
sebsebsebmy reaons for Mageia and UbuntuNov 03 20:31
sebsebsebiophk: ,but so I don't sound to biased or whatever, I an put in how I hae tried Min before and iked, but..Nov 03 20:32
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iophkgood luck with the emailNov 03 20:34
iophkgtgNov 03 20:34
sebsebsebiophk: yeah thanks :Nov 03 20:37
sebsebseb:)Nov 03 20:37
Snowleaksangei heard SteamOS described as a "post-singularity" distro.  its gonna be insaneNov 03 20:38
MinceRwhat does it mean?Nov 03 20:38
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Snowleaksangei interpreted as meaning extremely fancy/futuristicNov 03 20:39
sebsebsebwil they tell people that Steam OSNov 03 20:39
sebsebsebruns that uhmmm Linux thing or notNov 03 20:39
sebsebsebis the thingNov 03 20:39
sebsebsebor maybe they will just say it's based on that Ubuntu thingNov 03 20:40
sebsebseb,but nothing about Linux hmmNov 03 20:40
Snowleaksangepoor Linus.. hes popular enough thoNov 03 20:40
Snowleaksangei think most people know Linux behind Android, Ubuntu, and SteamOSNov 03 20:42
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: noNov 03 20:45
sebsebsebmost people who run Android on some deviceNov 03 20:45
sebsebsebhave no idea that there's some sort of Linux thing in itNov 03 20:45
sebsebseband what that isNov 03 20:45
sebsebsebthey are just consumers, notihing more, and nothing lessNov 03 20:46
Snowleaksangeah youre probably right about androidNov 03 20:46
Snowleaksangesince 100s of mils of people haveNov 03 20:46
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: yep and they have no idea about what it runs etcNov 03 20:47
Snowleaksangemost think a little green android lives in their phoneNov 03 20:47
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: I think many people just us their phonesNov 03 20:48
sebsebsebfor nearly everything now I mean like eail facebook etcNov 03 20:48
sebsebseb,becuase they reolise that Android works wellNov 03 20:48
sebsebsebon their device,  and way bettr htan their slow WIndows installNov 03 20:48
sebsebsebSnowleaksange: they use what works better for them instead, and don't care about trying to get the slow WIndows install working betterNov 03 20:49
Snowleaksangeyeah kids these days dont enough know what a desktop isNov 03 20:49
sebsebsebnot kidsNov 03 20:50
sebsebsebpeope in generalNov 03 20:50
sebsebsebthey blame the computer itself, wen it goes slow etcNov 03 20:50
sebsebsebwhen  really it's Windows usualyNov 03 20:50
sebsebsebthen a lot of younger people go anduse their phone or tablet for most stuff insteadNov 03 20:51
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Snowleaksangethe only people i know who use windows are my parents and someone who has an investment fund w bill gatesNov 03 20:55
Snowleaksangeoh also my grandparents and a few teachersNov 03 20:58
Snowleaksangeall old peopleNov 03 20:58
Snowleaksangeits frustrating to learn a new ui / new osNov 03 20:58
Snowleaksangems should make an os ontop of linux :)Nov 03 21:00
MinceRthey have a religious issue with copyleft :>Nov 03 21:30
Sosumiand I just spread poison on #MacOSX,Nov 03 21:38
Sosumiyes meet the Buttplug ProNov 03 21:38
MinceR:)Nov 03 21:39
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Richard Stallman on the Penal System  http://t.co/XRobuwjTsz #prison #law #usNov 03 21:44
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Confirmed: NSA Responsible for Assassination of Thousands of People (Many Innocents)  http://t.co/hhEhhpLA60 #nsa #cia #dronesNov 03 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Confirmed: NSA Responsible for Assassination of Thousands of People (Many Innocents) | TechrightsNov 03 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: UK govt. gets it: Proprietary software combined with built-in microphone and camera = #surveillance and #espionage http://t.co/oaJKR3HsjuNov 03 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.telegraph.co.uk | iPads banned from Cabinet meetings over surveillance fears - TelegraphNov 03 21:45
Snowleaksangepraise toronto mayor courage for not stepping down #crackprideNov 03 21:45
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397117801754005504Nov 03 21:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Politicians meet science http://t.co/WpmUyo4piK #climatechange #pr #windpower #science #texasNov 03 21:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397118264788402177Nov 03 21:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Facepalm https://t.co/Xe87JKUmoSNov 03 21:52
MinceR:DNov 03 21:53
SosumiNSA and the other alphabet agencies should just be broken in a thousand pieces and scattered to the windNov 03 21:54
Sosuminot that the FSB and others are any better, but at least it'd show a moral high groundNov 03 21:55
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MinceRhttp://www.politics.hu/20131103/quotable-antal-rogan-on-horthy-unveiling/Nov 03 22:45
TechrightsBot-trwww.politics.hu | Quotable: Antal Rogán on foreign reaction to unveiling of Horthy statue in Budapest | Politics.hu  [ http://ur1.ca/fzcey ]Nov 03 22:45
Sosumigarage band is now free just like moronicksNov 03 22:56
Sosumibut...Nov 03 22:56
Sosumiif you want additional loops and what nots, you have to pay 5€Nov 03 22:57
Sosumieven if you had payed for the old version which included allNov 03 22:57
Sosumiyay, crAppleNov 03 22:57
MinceRif i want to make music, i'll just use a trackerNov 03 22:57
MinceRlike fasttracker, impulse tracker, milkytracker, schism tracker or whateverNov 03 22:58
SosumiI was highlighting extersionNov 03 22:58
Sosuminothing moreNov 03 22:58
Sosumidoing music is something that doesn't ring anything with meNov 03 22:58
Sosumialthough I enjoy it a lotNov 03 22:59
Sosumibach and verdi to dio, korn and amon amarthNov 03 23:00
Sosumi*extortionNov 03 23:00
MinceRi've tried to create music, without good resultsNov 03 23:01
Sosumibut you can make computers sing, right?Nov 03 23:02
Sosumiso no worriesNov 03 23:02
Sosumi:)Nov 03 23:02
MinceR:)Nov 03 23:02
SosumiI've never bothered learning and I admit that I didn't do very well in music classes eitherNov 03 23:02
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Sosumiback in those days I was more interested in blowing things up than practicing violinNov 03 23:03
Sosumi*ratherNov 03 23:03
MinceRi'd care more about composing than playingNov 03 23:04
MinceRany sequencer can play musicNov 03 23:04
SosumiyepNov 03 23:04
Sosumiyou could be the new Vangelis :)Nov 03 23:04
Sosumihaven't heard of that guy for a while eitherNov 03 23:04
MinceRi would need formal training for thatNov 03 23:05
MinceRi can't fit it in my schedule yetNov 03 23:06
Sosumiwell, when you do start learning, let us hear itNov 03 23:07
Sosumiand do free software song remixNov 03 23:07
Sosumi*aNov 03 23:07
Sosumimy sleepyness is making me miss letters :PNov 03 23:08
MinceR:)Nov 03 23:08
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MinceRhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wetXMUrQpQs/ToyJskSvfMI/AAAAAAAAAIY/RUf2NzIlxSU/w694-h550-no/churchesthroughouthistory.jpgNov 04 06:50
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3232952Nov 04 07:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a WarrantNov 04 07:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fyv3k ]Nov 04 07:21
schestowitzAnyway, if one is to use a system with proprietary bits, I would at least recommend using one made by a company that isn't a founding member of PRISM..."Nov 04 07:21
iophkPretty much all systems have proprietary bits still.  Only gNewSense on  certain MIPS hardware is free of blobs.Nov 04 07:40
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iophkhttp://mashable.com/2013/11/03/steve-wozniak-apple-should-work-with-google-samsung/Nov 04 08:27
TechrightsBot-trmashable.com | Steve Wozniak: Apple Should Work With Google and Samsung  [ http://ur1.ca/fzeu4 ]Nov 04 08:27
iophkClose but still does not prevent sw patentsNov 04 08:28
Snowleaksangety woz for much needed civilityNov 04 08:28
iophkYeah, at least heNov 04 08:28
iophk''s trying to build bridgesNov 04 08:28
iophkGoogle and Apple have more to gain by working together.  Letting M$ play them off against each other only hurts both.Nov 04 08:29
iophkone example being that "rockstar" shennaniganNov 04 08:29
Snowleaksangesteve jobs felt android stolen product willing go thermonuclear on itNov 04 08:30
iophkyeah, that was at the endNov 04 08:30
Snowleaksangeonly he is allowed to steal products from xeroxNov 04 08:30
iophkI'm hoping they don't feel obligated to pursue that route too hard.Nov 04 08:30
iophkIt was probably the organ failure speaking.Nov 04 08:30
Snowleaksangepower corrupts etcNov 04 08:31
iophkyeah but he was insanely wealthy already for a very long time, and was more normal back thenNov 04 08:31
Snowleaksangefirst he revolutionized the computer, then the phone, not badNov 04 08:35
Snowleaksangelet alone the portable music playerNov 04 08:35
Snowleaksangegadget lordNov 04 08:35
Snowleaksangethanks for setting us freeNov 04 08:36
iophkseveral times.  The Apple II was open as heck but still managed to put a desktop in every department and small business because of VisicalcNov 04 08:39
iophkThen the Macintosh brought in desktop publishing, something partially done by office suites and word processing today.Nov 04 08:39
iophkThen he might have missed e-mail but via NeXT got in on the WWW.Nov 04 08:40
iophkI was kind of hoping he had a few more years in order to do for TV programming what he did for/to music.Nov 04 08:40
Snowleaksangethat would be sweet.  content fragmentation sucksNov 04 08:41
Snowleaksangetv is now my worst quality content alsoNov 04 08:41
Snowleaksangecomcast xfinity complete PoSNov 04 08:41
iophkI don't think Cook has the clout to pull it off, though.Nov 04 08:41
Snowleaksangeyeah hes seems visionlessNov 04 08:41
Snowleaksangedude needs to go on more ashramsNov 04 08:41
iophkJobs was infamous at negotiation and had the vision.Nov 04 08:42
iophkashrams won't unmake him a bean-counterNov 04 08:42
iophkApple is big, he'll keep it profitable for a while yet.Nov 04 08:42
iophkAnd Ive will keep it fashionable for a while.Nov 04 08:42
SnowleaksangeyeahNov 04 08:43
iophkBut it is not likely to produce big changes any more.Nov 04 08:43
iophkStill, I think the TV thing might have been almost there, so I hope it can be pulled off.Nov 04 08:44
Snowleaksangei wonder if increased content shows will catch onNov 04 08:45
Snowleaksangebasically multiple "seasons" per yearNov 04 08:45
iophkProduction no longer needs to be tied to seasons.Nov 04 08:45
iophkSo, yeah, that could happen.Nov 04 08:46
SnowleaksangeyeahNov 04 08:46
Snowleaksangetimed release can accomplish same but leaks likelyNov 04 08:46
Snowleaksangewell i guess that what always going on w tvNov 04 08:47
Snowleaksangeso leaks not problemNov 04 08:47
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MinceRgeekingsNov 04 09:17
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/us-officials-say-forget-about-clemency-for-snowden/Nov 04 11:42
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfhr ]Nov 04 11:42
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/too-much-cash-causes-pirate-admin-to-quit-43k-ebook-dump-imminent-131103/Nov 04 11:49
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Too Much Cash Causes Pirate Admin to Quit, 43K Ebook Dump Imminent | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfij ]Nov 04 11:49
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MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/1286/Nov 04 12:58
TechrightsBot-trxkcd.com | xkcd: EncrypticNov 04 12:58
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MinceRhttp://www.pidjin.net/2013/10/31/the-circle-of-faith/Nov 04 13:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.pidjin.net | The circle of faith « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfu1 ]Nov 04 13:47
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sebsebsebhi iophkNov 04 15:20
sebsebsebthings aren't looking so goodNov 04 15:20
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schestowitzsale of tux machines now finalisedNov 04 16:25
schestowitz"Nov 04 16:25
schestowitz> Whenever I've seen a manager-type with such a device, I wonder how oftenNov 04 16:25
schestowitz> his competitors are in his machine with the microphone on.  WindowsNov 04 16:25
schestowitz> notebooks have been in board rooms and meeting rooms for a long time.Nov 04 16:25
schestowitz> Before that it was 'normal' desktop computers tricked out with aNov 04 16:25
schestowitz> microphone for conferencing.  Wasn't there an incident a few years aogNov 04 16:25
schestowitz> with a national parliament or EU committee under such surveillance?  INov 04 16:25
schestowitz> can't find the article but seem to recall such an event.Nov 04 16:25
schestowitzWhy go years back? Only a couple of months ago there was a HUGE scandalNov 04 16:25
schestowitzwhen the Snowden leaks revealed EU Parl was cracked and bugged by the NSA. They're still not over it and some treaty agreements got called off due to this. Then, famous privacy advocates including an MI5 whistleblower came to speak in front of EU Parl about it. I don't know how exactly they were bugged, but this was clearly political espionage. Earlier this year the Equadorian embassy in London found a microphone planted inside, spyingNov 04 16:25
schestowitzon the staff there (and Assange). I guess they were smart enough to avoid built-in mics, but someone somehow planted a wireless devices in the walls there.Nov 04 16:25
schestowitz"Nov 04 16:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: I am not happyNov 04 16:27
iophksebsebseb: Mageia issues?Nov 04 16:32
sebsebsebiophk: uhNov 04 16:32
sebsebsebmore like event organising issuesNov 04 16:32
sebsebsebiophk: they want a vote on distros to be done on the remastersNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebat the next meetingNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebhe wantsNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebthe event co ordinaterNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebhe also thinks he should get the cast vote if whatever, still got this guy away in USA the 5th oneNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebiophk: so basically Magiea could get voted out htenNov 04 16:33
iophkIt doesn't make sense to vote on themNov 04 16:33
sebsebsebeven though it would be one of the best ones for new users coming from WIndowsNov 04 16:33
iophklogic dictates that to have Unity there must be UbuntuNov 04 16:34
iophkthat rules out MintNov 04 16:34
sebsebsebit's also not realy been decided on what distro to have for what DENov 04 16:34
sebsebsebiophk: right, but Mint hasn't been ruled outNov 04 16:34
sebsebsebit's stll inNov 04 16:34
sebsebsebto be vted onNov 04 16:34
sebsebsebiophk: I was making a pastebinNov 04 16:34
sebsebsebto shw soeone else with some stuffNov 04 16:34
sebsebseb,bt I can show you toNov 04 16:34
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/11/04/messing-with-competition-again-m-scraps-skype-api/Nov 04 16:38
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Messing With Competition Again, M$ Scraps Skype API  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fzggr ]Nov 04 16:38
iophk“They did that to prevent any end-to-end encryption plugins that might show up"Nov 04 16:38
sebsebsebiophk: the two best distros are probablly realy Mageia and Open SUseNov 04 16:38
sebsebseband with KDE in particularNov 04 16:38
sebsebsebfor Widows usersNov 04 16:39
sebsebsebfamilur etcNov 04 16:39
iophkNot SUse , that's M$Nov 04 16:39
sebsebsebiophk: that's what someone from  Magiea project basically said to meNov 04 16:39
iophkThe discussiino you guys should be having should be about the Desktop Environments not the distrosNov 04 16:39
sebsebsebiophk: what do I do if Mageia doesn't become one of them?Nov 04 16:39
sebsebsebgive my reasonsNov 04 16:39
sebsebseband ask them if they erally want me to leae the project?Nov 04 16:39
iophkdo you have your reasons written on paperNov 04 16:39
sebsebsebiophk: agreed it should be about hte de's not the distro'sNov 04 16:39
iophk?Nov 04 16:39
sebsebsebit's ok to show Maigee and Open SUse with KDE and GNOMENov 04 16:40
sebsebsebtwo distrosNov 04 16:40
iophkpeople absorb ideas better when on paperNov 04 16:40
sebsebsebI have done stuff in eialsNov 04 16:40
sebsebsebetcNov 04 16:40
sebsebsebemais reallyNov 04 16:40
sebsebsebiophk: yeah it shoud't be about distor's as uchNov 04 16:41
sebsebsebit should be about which de's to show, and shown by what distro/sNov 04 16:41
sebsebsebwhich interfaceNov 04 16:41
sebsebseband my prposal would be this:Nov 04 16:41
sebsebsebUbuntu for UNityNov 04 16:41
sebsebsebMagiea for GNOME and KDE, and if te othe guy wants it Open SUse maybe to for htatNov 04 16:42
sebsebsebUbuntu for UnityNov 04 16:42
sebsebsebif havingNov 04 16:42
sebsebseband we need something Windows like o KDE is good for thatNov 04 16:43
iophkNo gnome anymore, just XFCENov 04 16:43
iophkit's an easier transitinoNov 04 16:43
iophktranstionNov 04 16:44
sebsebseband it should more fmailur than Mate and Cinnmoan as wellNov 04 16:45
sebsebsebSFCE sure,but I can't just show that on a lie sessoinNov 04 16:50
sebsebsebMageia only does GNOME and KDE Live Media's by defaultNov 04 16:50
sebsebsebmaybe Open Suse has a XCFCE Live CD an that's what it can be used for then uhNov 04 16:50
MinceRiirc Debian has an XFCE live cdNov 04 16:51
sebsebseband there's Xubuntu hmNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebmNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebMinceR: I am annyed with this stuffNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebI think if I don't get things how I want itNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebwhen this vote or whateverNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebI may just say to themNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebdo you really wnt Nov 04 16:52
sebsebsebwant me to leae the rpoject?Nov 04 16:52
sebsebsebafter all thisNov 04 16:52
sebsebseb?Nov 04 16:52
sebsebseband this to me is like doing a course, and then it being axed towards the end after already done coursework for it,  and that's annoying, and I have bee in that postio beforeNov 04 16:52
MinceRnot sure where i've found it, but   http://live.debian.net/   has the imagesNov 04 16:52
TechrightsBot-trlive.debian.net | Live Systems ProjectNov 04 16:52
sebsebsebMinceR: Debian itself isn't in at the momentNov 04 16:53
sebsebsebMint Ubuntu, Mageia, Open SUseNov 04 16:53
MinceRwell, here's an opportunity to add itNov 04 16:53
MinceR:)Nov 04 16:53
sebsebseband voting on distros is sillyNov 04 16:53
sebsebsebrealyNov 04 16:53
sebsebsebwe shoud just agree on de's and what distro to have for thatNov 04 16:53
iophkyesNov 04 16:53
sebsebsebiophk: yep that's what I a going to say etcNov 04 16:54
MinceRi don't know what distros have xfce live images other than debian and xubuntuNov 04 16:55
sebsebseboh  Mint has one I Think actusalyNov 04 16:55
sebsebseband I think PC Linux OS as welNov 04 16:55
sebsebsebiophk: also I am not sure what one guy was doing,but I think he was making more than just a standard remasterNov 04 16:56
sebsebsebiophk: another isuse I got is no jitsi in Magiea uh, and they wanted thatNov 04 16:56
sebsebsebI can try a bug report, maybe it can get added in for  Mageia 4 hmmNov 04 16:56
iophkIs Jitsi in any distro at all?Nov 04 16:56
sebsebsebOpen SUse has itNov 04 16:56
iophkYes try to get it packaged for Mageia4Nov 04 16:56
sebsebsebUbuntu/Mint has itNov 04 16:56
sebsebsebDebian has itNov 04 16:56
sebsebsebDebian it took a while for htem to get it into offica repo's I saw something on the site last nightNov 04 16:57
sebsebsebiophk: I think a non technical user would just go and carry o using SKype though, if given the option of the twoNov 04 16:57
iophkpossibly but if Jitsi is installed for them, they have the option of breaking the lock-in.Nov 04 16:58
iophkRemember Skype does control some of its market share purely by network effect and lock-inNov 04 16:58
sebsebsebiophk: if something else is consired,becuse of the lack of jitsi that's sillyNov 04 16:58
sebsebseb,but I guess I should tell them really about htis hmmNov 04 16:58
sebsebseb?Nov 04 16:58
iophkyes get the discussion about DE going, tooNov 04 17:00
sebsebsebyep going to do that todayNov 04 17:00
sebsebsebiophk: he didn't respond well to my email aboutNov 04 17:00
sebsebsebUbuntu and MagieaNov 04 17:00
sebsebseb,but I replied to hi saing to the guy, does that mean no Mint maybeNov 04 17:00
iophkdid he present any specific objections?Nov 04 17:00
sebsebsebiophk: no he was just likeNov 04 17:01
sebsebsebno he just basialy he wanted to know what the othe guy had for opions etcNov 04 17:01
sebsebsebI'll show you in the pastebinNov 04 17:01
sebsebsebiophk: not the email I sent out thoughNov 04 17:01
sebsebsebwell I could,but ehNov 04 17:01
iophkhttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/google-to-spend-another-450-mn-euros-on-finnish-data-centre/articleshow/25213084.cmsNov 04 17:02
TechrightsBot-treconomictimes.indiatimes.com | Google to spend another 450 mn euros on Finnish data centre - The Economic Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgj8 ]Nov 04 17:02
sebsebsebuhmm Iceland would be betterNov 04 17:02
sebsebsebit's cold thereNov 04 17:02
sebsebsebthey  can use nature to cool down the data centre'sNov 04 17:02
sebsebsebthe serversNov 04 17:02
iophkCold in Finland, too, and the heating can be used to heat neighborhoodsNov 04 17:02
iophkhttp://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2304740/google-to-expand-finnish-data-centreNov 04 17:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.computing.co.uk | Google to expand Finnish data centre - 04 Nov 2013  - Computing News  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgj9 ]Nov 04 17:02
sebsebsebiophk: in the summer it isnt' that cold in Finland thoughNov 04 17:03
sebsebseband I think Iceland gets colder in the winter Nov 04 17:03
sebsebsebprobablyNov 04 17:03
iophkplus in Finland there is a nearby nuclear plant and hydro stationNov 04 17:03
iophkand the cables from Russia run through near by, tooNov 04 17:03
iophkmaybe it is those cables they are afterNov 04 17:03
sebsebsebohNov 04 17:03
sebsebseband which cables?Nov 04 17:03
iophkInternetNov 04 17:03
sebsebsebohNov 04 17:03
sebsebsebiophk: shouold I say in my emailNov 04 17:04
sebsebsebthat I think it's silly to vote on distros like thatNov 04 17:04
sebsebsebI guess soNov 04 17:04
iophkIt's as close as they can get without crossing the borderNov 04 17:04
sebsebsebiophk: I have ben right next to the border when I was youngNov 04 17:04
sebsebsebthe former Finnish part of now RussiaNov 04 17:04
sebsebsebI was next to no mans land a riverNov 04 17:04
iophkhttp://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24447759/google-apple-and-other-tech-giants-look-postNov 04 17:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.mercurynews.com | Google, Apple and other tech giants look to a post-'cookie' era - San Jose Mercury News  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgjw ]Nov 04 17:08
iophkhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2013/11/04/amazon-thanks-faa-with-by-putting-kindles-on-sale/3431505/Nov 04 17:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.usatoday.com | Amazon 'thanks' FAA by putting Kindles on sale  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgkq ]Nov 04 17:16
sebsebsebiophk: ok hereNov 04 17:16
sebsebsebiophk: http://pastebin.com/rm2KbFKQNov 04 17:16
TechrightsBot-trpastebin.com | Peter:    On 04/11/13 01:15, Sebastian wrote:  >  >>> I think, with regards to d - Pastebin.comNov 04 17:16
iophkWell you agree on Ubuntu for Unity and on some of the DEsNov 04 17:17
sebsebsebiophk: are you reading the paste?Nov 04 17:17
sebsebsebproblem is it isn't as simple as just thatNov 04 17:17
sebsebsebI thought it would be, but nopeNov 04 17:17
sebsebsebUbuntu forUnityNov 04 17:18
sebsebseband then we pick some other de's and what distro or distro's to have showing thatNov 04 17:18
iophkMageia for XFCE and KDE makes sense to meNov 04 17:18
sebsebsebiophk: yepNov 04 17:18
iophkThat gives people a choice of 3 DEsNov 04 17:18
sebsebsebor  not XFCE since no ive media uhNov 04 17:18
iophkLive XFCE with Xubuntu if you want to go that direction.Nov 04 17:19
iophkUsing remasters is a waste of effort and does not take advantage of the work that went into the finished, standard distros, especially the QANov 04 17:20
sebsebsebiophk: yeah  I knowNov 04 17:21
sebsebseb,but still no XFCE Live media's for MgeiaNov 04 17:21
iophkI'd see about getting them to accept the idea of standard distros.Nov 04 17:21
sebsebsebthere's a nice XFCE, but has to be installed from repo'sNov 04 17:21
sebsebsebiophk: no they are stuck on the remaster ideaNov 04 17:21
sebsebseboffical reop's like you are suggesitng won't fly nowNov 04 17:21
iophkI thought there were going to be demo machines with Linux installed?Nov 04 17:21
sebsebsebaltough I think this toher guy said ike, are we going to have some of thoe as wellNov 04 17:21
iophkNo network there?Nov 04 17:21
sebsebsebdemo machinesNov 04 17:21
sebsebseband then give out the remastersNov 04 17:22
sebsebseband there's wifi and ethenret in the venueNov 04 17:22
sebsebsebroomNov 04 17:22
iophkright but wifi and ethernet connected to what?Nov 04 17:22
iophk56K modem?Nov 04 17:22
iophkWhat problem to they aim to solve with the remasters?  Nov 04 17:23
sebsebsebto have more stuff pre installedNov 04 17:25
sebsebsebthat  Joe and Jane aerage may want pre installedNov 04 17:25
iophkmore is not necessarily better, and as mentioned before walking them through an installation is important trainingNov 04 17:26
iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/11/04/nokia-samsung-extend-their-secretive-patent-deal-another-5-years-avoiding-yet-another-mobile-patent-suit-shoring-up-for-others/Nov 04 17:26
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Nokia, Samsung Extend Their Secretive Patent Deal Another 5 Years, Avoiding Yet Another Mobile Patent Suit, Shoring Up For Others?  |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/fzglv ]Nov 04 17:26
iophkThe article misrepresents the sale price by lumping in patent leases with the purchase priceNov 04 17:27
sebsebsebiophk: ah yes the $5  to Microsoft for every Android devicesold thing yes?Nov 04 17:29
iophkSomethingNov 04 17:29
sebsebsebiophk: your on about that yes?Nov 04 17:29
sebsebseb$5 to Micrsooft for every Android device sale?Nov 04 17:29
sebsebsebiophk: maybe thtat's apt of it won't say thereNov 04 17:32
sebsebseb,but yeah there was that newsNov 04 17:32
sebsebsebhow they sued Samsung etcNov 04 17:32
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iophkA little old - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/business/media/pogue-times-technology-columnist-is-leaving-for-yahoo.htmlNov 04 19:14
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fzgz0 ]Nov 04 19:14
iophkWill he get replaced by a technologist or a just another M$ sales writer?Nov 04 19:15
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MinceR Nov 04 20:36
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Sosumi56K modems remind of the jokeNov 04 21:41
Sosumiwhen I used to say that I had a SupraNov 04 21:41
Sosumiand everyone thought I had a Toyota SupraNov 04 21:42
MinceRso did iNov 04 21:42
Sosumibut then I said a Diamond Supra v92Nov 04 21:42
Sosumiand it was lawlNov 04 21:42
MinceRi don't know what that isNov 04 21:43
MinceRoh, a modem?Nov 04 21:43
SosumiyesNov 04 21:43
MinceR:)Nov 04 21:44
Sosumiand that was back in 2001 to 2003 when I finally got dsl in my locationNov 04 21:45
Sosumiobviously that the way I referred to the "supra" wasn't exactly mine, it'd as if my grandparents owned oneNov 04 21:46
SosumiI was like 12 at the timeNov 04 21:46
MinceR:)Nov 04 21:46
Sosumibut well between the renault safrane biturbo that my grandfather still owns and the supraNov 04 21:47
SosumiI'd go with the renault anywaysNov 04 21:47
MinceRi wouldn'tNov 04 21:47
Sosumiit's a nice carNov 04 21:48
Sosumiand renault actually made durable stuffNov 04 21:48
MinceRyeah, the sherpaNov 04 21:48
MinceRnot sure if it's reliable at all, thoughNov 04 21:49
Sosumifor example, I drive a bit older carNov 04 21:49
Sosumia renault 21 turboNov 04 21:49
Sosumithat is as old as meNov 04 21:49
Sosumihttp://static.fjcdn.com/comments/I+ll+pack+a+pack+of+alpaca+milk+_77328ba1f970133110cfdf387c788986.jpgNov 04 21:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.funnyjunk.com | I'll pack a pack of alpaca milk. - Comment #34 added by yournewestgod at ALPACAS!  [ http://ur1.ca/fzhps ]Nov 04 21:50
Sosumibut that is the best renault everNov 04 21:50
Sosumirenault alpacaNov 04 21:50
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SosumiI kid... but wouldn't mind getting a Renault Alpine A610Nov 04 21:51
MinceRi'd rather have a Land CruiserNov 04 21:51
MinceRor a lexus lxNov 04 21:52
Sosumiisn't lexus just a luxuary toyota?Nov 04 21:52
Sosumior hondaNov 04 21:52
MinceRit isNov 04 21:52
MinceRthe formerNov 04 21:52
Sosumiwell I just wouldn't mind a tesla or some quality, only electric carNov 04 21:54
Sosumithat or fuel cellNov 04 21:54
Sosumithat actually simplifies the whole and makes it cheaper to run and maintainNov 04 21:54
Sosumifor the sake of simplicityNov 04 21:57
MinceRi wouldn't mind that eitherNov 04 21:58
Sosumibut I really doubt that the national electrical grid would cope with suddendly electric cars becoming available at an affordable priceNov 04 21:58
MinceRbut afaik tesla isn't mature yetNov 04 21:58
SosumiyeahNov 04 21:58
Sosumijust read of one catching fireNov 04 21:58
MinceRi've recently read of its controllers crashingNov 04 21:58
MinceRoften, that isNov 04 21:58
SosumiouchNov 04 22:01
Sosumibut I wander how it'd be to ride an alapace to classNov 04 22:04
Sosumi*alpacaNov 04 22:04
Sosumicertainly, it'd be legendaryNov 04 22:04
Sosumibut, lawlNov 04 22:04
Sosumiand christmas is already here, waste your money in chinese made crap, 10 months no interestNov 04 22:07
MinceRit would be slow and smellyNov 04 22:07
Sosumistill legendaryNov 04 22:07
Sosumithe only way to topple that'd be ridding a gnu and roam against all the crApple and facebook enforcing teachers at my universityNov 04 22:09
MinceR:>Nov 04 22:09
Sosumibuttplug proNov 04 22:09
SosumiI still don't know how I wasn't expelled from one class when I launched that in that airNov 04 22:09
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link via Engadget.Nov 05 02:51
DaemonFC2 minutes agoNov 05 02:51
DaemonFCThe "jet engine" Mac Pro has been repeatedly derided for looking more like a trash can, and using a crippled FirePro card. Apple has this insane objection to fan noise. You can have fan noise or a slow computer. :) It has been possible to buy PCs assembled by American workers for the entire history of the PC, including the period of time between 2002, when Apple closed its last US-based assembly plant in California and fired all of the Nov 05 02:51
DaemonFCAmerican workers there, and even now. System76 and ThinkPenguin build all of their systems here and ships them with GNU/Linux. You're not only supporting American jobs, you are investing in Freedom.Nov 05 02:51
DaemonFCRyan FarmerNov 05 02:53
DaemonFCApple plans to open many small assembly plants where it can easily fire everyone working there if they try to unionize. This will let them pay very low wages.Nov 05 02:53
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iophkAnother rewrite of history to smear Childs again: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2013/11/04/think-hoarding-passwords-keeps-you-safe-from-firing-think-again/Nov 05 06:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Think Hoarding Passwords Keeps You Safe From Firing? Think Again - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjar ]Nov 05 06:22
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iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2060700/new-supercomputer-uses-ssds-as-alternative-to-dram-hard-drives.htmlNov 05 08:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | New supercomputer uses SSDs as alternative to DRAM, hard drives | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjm5 ]Nov 05 08:09
iophkfor .se only - http://falkvinge.net/2013/11/04/vote-christian-for-the-pirate-party-eu-ballot-heres-why/Nov 05 08:34
TechrightsBot-trfalkvinge.net | Vote Christian For The Pirate Party EU Ballot - Here's Why - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjo1 ]Nov 05 08:34
iophkCommodification of the OS - http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/os-x-mavericks-vs-windows-81-which-really-free-230046Nov 05 08:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | OS X Mavericks vs. Windows 8.1: Which is really free? | Data Center - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjon ]Nov 05 08:39
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/gmail-stays-up-as-google-rejects-microsoft-dmca-takedown-notice-131102/Nov 05 08:42
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Gmail Stays Up as Google Rejects Microsoft DMCA Takedown Notice | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjp7 ]Nov 05 08:42
iophkThe take-down notices ought to have a $5 processing fee with an additional, larger fee if the take-down turns out to be bogus.Nov 05 08:43
iophkhttp://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/so-the-internets-about-to-lose-its-net-neutrality/Nov 05 08:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | We're About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It | Wired Opinion | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzg8o ]Nov 05 08:46
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/05/exploding_whale_man_dies/Nov 05 08:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Unsung DEAD WHALE EXPLODER hero, who gave the early internet a purpose, passes away • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjq0 ]Nov 05 08:50
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MinceRgeekingsNov 05 09:13
iophkAsay - http://readwrite.com/2013/11/04/sorry-open-source-isnt-the-panacea-for-healthcaregovNov 05 09:15
TechrightsBot-trreadwrite.com | Sorry, Open Source Isn't The Panacea For HealthCare.gov – ReadWrite  [ http://ur1.ca/fzju0 ]Nov 05 09:15
iophk"The culprit behind the system failures was the meatier, more difficult  back-end software, which was written by 50-plus contractors behind  closed doors and released in the old-school, legacy software fashion"Nov 05 09:15
MinceRbut there's no problem with that at all? :>Nov 05 09:20
MinceRmac asay bought so deeply into nonfree software he doesn't even realize what he's sayingNov 05 09:23
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iophkold - http://dodcio.defense.gov/OpenSourceSoftwareFAQ.aspxNov 05 09:24
TechrightsBot-trdodcio.defense.gov | Open Source Software FAQ  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjvb ]Nov 05 09:24
XFaCEschestowitz: MinceR https://twitter.com/rkkski/status/288956938778189824/photo/1Nov 05 09:31
TechrightsBot-tr@rkkski: Телефон на виндоуз 8 просит диск вставить #facepalm http://t.co/fZ3Al4zTNov 05 09:31
TechrightsBot-tr@rkkski: Телефон на виндоуз 8 просит диск вставить #facepalm http://t.co/fZ3Al4zTNov 05 09:31
MinceR:)Nov 05 09:31
XFaCEMinceR: the authentic windows experience - now on mobile phones!Nov 05 09:32
MinceRindeedNov 05 09:33
iophkhttp://fsfe.org/news/nl/nl-201311.en.htmlNov 05 09:44
TechrightsBot-trfsfe.org | FSFE Newsletter - November 2013  [ http://ur1.ca/fzjxo ]Nov 05 09:44
DaemonFCRyan Farmer No. If you're ever curious about how much Comcast's customers like them, just look at their Facebook page. They were voted Worst Company in America several times by The Consumerist. They upped our cable internet rates again so they can give the people who breed themselves into poverty a $10 a month internet connection so they can watch porn....Nov 05 10:22
DaemonFCRyan Farmer To be fair, if you give someone a computer with Microsoft Windows on it, the $10 a month internet plan could be considered reparation.Nov 05 10:22
DaemonFCRyan Farmer My mother made me laugh when I was over at her house the other day. My stepdad was watching Fox News, and there were a couple of people screaming over each other about Obamacare. My mom was like "Oh my God. Do we have to watch this? Can we get some peace and quiet in this house on our day off?" I can't believe that people pay for cable. I don't want to spend my money to bring that violent garbage into my house. People wonder why Nov 05 10:49
DaemonFCthis country is so messed up. You can see dozens of people murdered every hour on cable, but no sex. Shouldn't it be the other way around? In most of Europe you can turn on the TV and see sex but not dozens of murders. People wonder why we have the highest murder rate in the developed world. People wonder why kids shoot up their schools. Garbage in. Garbage out. That, and guns are really easy to get, even if you're a braindead loser.Nov 05 10:49
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/0O6hKDb.jpgNov 05 10:52
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iophk"Most important, if you spent real money on a Skype phone --  one that has Skype controls on the handset or headset -- those fancy  buttons won't work after the end of the year. "Nov 05 12:28
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/application-development/microsoft-kills-skype-third-party-tools-the-desktop-230101Nov 05 12:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Microsoft kills Skype third-party tools for the desktop | Application development - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzko7 ]Nov 05 12:28
iophkArticle fails to mention JitsiNov 05 12:29
iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/bill-gates-wont-seek-microsoft-comeback-too-busy-trying-to-be-top-dog-philanthropist-7000022806/Nov 05 12:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | Bill Gates won't seek Microsoft comeback - too busy trying to be top dog philanthropist | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/fzkp0 ]Nov 05 12:33
iophkMore overreach Nov 05 12:44
iophkhttp://fcw.com/articles/2013/11/04/dhs-hammering-out-cybersecurity-planning.aspxNov 05 12:44
TechrightsBot-trfcw.com | DHS hammering out cybersecurity planning -- FCW  [ http://ur1.ca/fzkqj ]Nov 05 12:44
iophkbut not addressing one of the core problems - continued Windows useNov 05 12:44
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/05/tor-beginners-guide-nsa-browserNov 05 13:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | What is Tor? A beginner's guide to the privacy tool | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzkxt ]Nov 05 13:21
schestowitzkiZDNet still grooming Gates, owned by Ziff/gatesNov 05 14:51
schestowitzoh, sorrtNov 05 14:51
schestowitzthey went bankruptNov 05 14:51
schestowitznow CBSNov 05 14:51
schestowitziophk: FCW is pro-MicrosoftNov 05 14:52
schestowitznot just cause it's Windows-poweredNov 05 14:52
iophkwhat's the biggest change there?Nov 05 14:52
schestowitzin zdnet?Nov 05 14:55
*schestowitz is now known as schestowitzhttpsNov 05 15:02
*schestowitzhttps is now known as schestowitzNov 05 15:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397706612234027008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397705615763857409  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397737579728338944  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397738471655501824  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397738882286235648Nov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: CIA made doctors torture suspected terrorists after 9/11, taskforce finds http://t.co/F1ymNhCN8H how would the medical profession feel?Nov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | CIA made doctors torture suspected terrorists after 9/11, taskforce finds | World news | The GuardianNov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Lavabit's Dark Mail Initiative by Ladar Levison  http://t.co/bOJ5zyomMe help make #email not an open postcardNov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.kickstarter.com | Lavabit's Dark Mail Initiative by Ladar Levison — KickstarterNov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: What is Tor? A beginner's guide to the privacy tool http://t.co/ejimdq12iM #tor #privacyNov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Embrace, destroy, spy: Microsoft "shutting down all third-party access to its desktop API at the end of the year" http://t.co/b3YxT6SsI9Nov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "If you want to speak English..." http://t.co/pdhB3CyLi6Nov 05 15:03
schestowitz[09:15] <iophk> Asay - http://readwrite.com/2013/11/04/sorry-open-source-isnt-the-panacea-for-healthcaregovNov 05 15:03
TechrightsBot-trreadwrite.com | Sorry, Open Source Isn't The Panacea For HealthCare.gov – ReadWrite  [ http://ur1.ca/fzju0 ]Nov 05 15:03
schestowitzSNov 05 15:03
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schestowitzAsayroll (troll) some in the FOSS community call himNov 05 15:04
iophkhe still pops up from time to timeNov 05 15:04
schestowitzIn the publication run by Dan LyonsNov 05 15:14
schestowitzHe also had him on his shiowNov 05 15:14
iophkI forgot about lyonsNov 05 15:15
schestowitzthey're friendsNov 05 15:15
schestowitzThe anti-Groklaw/RMS/Liniux guy and AsayNov 05 15:15
iophkI hadn't seen his writing for a whileNov 05 15:15
schestowitzWhen Asay invited him to the show he and a colleague asked me if I wanted to relay questions for the show to LyonsNov 05 15:15
schestowitziophk: he works in PR nowNov 05 15:15
schestowitzsee techrightsNov 05 15:15
iophkhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=lyons&ns0=1&fulltext=SearchNov 05 15:17
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Search results - Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlg2 ]Nov 05 15:17
iophkhttp://techrights.org/index.php?s=lyonsNov 05 15:19
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Lyons | TechrightsNov 05 15:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397742091675369472  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397742894704234497  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397744668320215041 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397744910654533632  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397745961654816769Nov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: We’re About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It http://t.co/sGrYbMS2RM #censorship and tired Web (classes)Nov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.com | We're About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It | Wired Opinion | Wired.comNov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How not to deal with whales http://t.co/zOH2vIHocd I guess he won't be getting the 'whale treatment'Nov 05 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theregister.co.uk | Unsung DEAD WHALE EXPLODER hero, who gave the early internet a purpose, passes away • The RegisterNov 05 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steve Wozniak: Apple Should Work With Google and Samsung http://t.co/Pp3S5XF3wP no, thanks, keep #apple out of #androidNov 05 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> mashable.com | Steve Wozniak: Apple Should Work With Google and SamsungNov 05 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden http://t.co/1u6cXiCqj1 he aided the people of the US. Serious offence.Nov 05 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden | Ars TechnicaNov 05 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: New supercomputer uses SSDs as alternative to DRAM, hard drives http://t.co/3keHobtOyy  #server #ssdNov 05 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.pcworld.com | New supercomputer uses SSDs as alternative to DRAM, hard drives | PCWorldNov 05 15:27
schestowitziophk: http://techrights.org/2013/03/28/readwrite-run-by-dan-lyons/Nov 05 15:27
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Pro-Microsoft Rag ReadWrite is Losing the Microsoft Booster Who Ran It, HubSpot Infected Though | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/d75a2 ]Nov 05 15:27
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397747220864569344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/397747660188581888Nov 05 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Castex Resolution on Private Copying Must Take Sharing Into Account! http://t.co/AsJr3jv8te #copyright #sharingNov 05 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.laquadrature.net | The Castex Resolution on Private Copying Must Take Sharing Into Account! | La Quadrature du NetNov 05 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "small businesses can easily deploy Apache OpenOffice on their own (75 million downloads testifies to that)" http://t.co/6Eg10edftwNov 05 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.robweir.com | IBM Support for Apache OpenOfficeNov 05 15:34
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iophkAh.  That would explain the position of RWW on FOSS.Nov 05 15:37
schestowitzcool, we just won another gov vontractNov 05 15:39
schestowitzLondon authNov 05 15:40
schestowitzgot the news minutes ago, I visited them last month and made a good impressionNov 05 15:40
schestowitzThis adds to our recent gov.uk wins at the Parliamentary Health Service Ombundsman, Home Office, CESG and some work with the NHS. Also some city councils...Nov 05 15:40
schestowitzFOSS is being adopted by our govt not just in words anymoreNov 05 15:41
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iophkThat's good news.  What is the nature of the contract, if it's public?Nov 05 15:49
schestowitznoNov 05 16:34
schestowitzso I can't say much about itNov 05 16:34
schestowitzor oughtn'tNov 05 16:35
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253174Nov 05 16:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/us-officials-say-forget-about-clemency-for-snowden/ he aided the people of the US. Serious offence.Nov 05 16:35
schestowitz"He also aided the allies of the US. Unacceptable!"Nov 05 16:35
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3246000Nov 05 16:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK govt. gets it: Proprietary software combined with built-in microphone and camera = #surveillance and #espionage http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423514/iPads-banned-from-Cabinet-meetings-over-surveillance-fears.htmlNov 05 16:35
schestowitz"Finally!"Nov 05 16:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.telegraph.co.uk | iPads banned from Cabinet meetings over surveillance fears - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fzbr5 ]Nov 05 16:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220512Nov 05 16:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The latest spy revelations are threatening to derail a multibillion-pound 'trade' deal..." http://news.sky.com/story/1159396/nsa-spying-germany-demands-talks-with-us good for usNov 05 16:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.sky.com | NSA Spying: Germany Demands Talks With US  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlud ]Nov 05 16:36
schestowitz"If Germany wants to talk with the US, they have only to pick up the phone and call... each other."Nov 05 16:36
schestowitzLOL!Nov 05 16:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3246000Nov 05 16:37
schestowitz"What, does the British not trust the NSA?"Nov 05 16:37
schestowitzTrusting a partner like the White House is like trusting a partner like Microsoft. Ask Germany...Nov 05 16:38
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220395Nov 05 16:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/12/dick-cheney-cancels-toronto-trip-says-canada-is-too-dangerous/ #warcrime #cheney #bush #kissingerNov 05 16:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.nationalpost.com | Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous | National Post  [ http://ur1.ca/fy7yl ]Nov 05 16:39
schestowitz":D"Nov 05 16:39
schestowitzdangerous people call a country "dangerous" when that country is against dangersNov 05 16:39
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220395Nov 05 16:40
schestowitz"We don't need to lock our doors, now that we know Cheney isn't coming any more..."Nov 05 16:40
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220569Nov 05 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CIA: we don't always support terrorists. When we do, they're 'moderate' http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-02/world/42616148_1_u-s-intelligence-analysts-training-program-rebel  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/03/report-cia-ramping-up-covert-training-program-for-syrian-rebels/Nov 05 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr-> articles.washingtonpost.com | CIA ramping up covert training program for moderate Syrian rebels - Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlv8 ]Nov 05 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theblaze.com | Report: CIA Ramping Up Covert Training Program for Syrian Rebels | TheBlaze.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlvb ]Nov 05 16:40
schestowitz"They don't support competing terrorists. Important distinction."Nov 05 16:40
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/11/05/steamos-and-steammachines-could-bring-millions-to-gnulinux/Nov 05 16:50
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | SteamOS And SteamMachines Could Bring Millions to GNU/Linux  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlwf ]Nov 05 16:50
Sosumiand the "usual" is happening againNov 05 16:54
SosumiEU warns poortugal that it may not be able to reach the deficit agreement for this yearNov 05 16:54
Sosumimeanwhile in poortugal, privatly run hospitals (but built with taxpayer money) got a bailout just 2 days agoNov 05 16:55
iophkThe bailout is part of the business plan...Nov 05 16:56
Sosumiand nothing is there to prevent them from getting anotherNov 05 16:56
iophkthen the directors can turn around and give themselves more bonuses for 'saving' the business...Nov 05 16:56
iophkand another and another ...Nov 05 16:56
Sosumiand get some bonuses for the big boysNov 05 16:56
iophknormally when one company takes over the debts of another, it owns that companyNov 05 16:56
iophkif the gov bails out a company or branch, it should own that company or branchNov 05 16:57
Sosumiin a perfect world, yesNov 05 16:57
Sosumibut in that perfect world a private entity wouldn't be left to run hospitals paid by taxpayersNov 05 16:58
Sosumiand reap the beneficts like they doNov 05 16:58
Sosumiand now they need more austerity, because the money they had to pay the interest on the debt, lolNov 05 17:00
Sosumiis goneNov 05 17:00
Sosumiand since nothing stops the facistoid gov from imposing more austerityNov 05 17:00
Sosumiyeah, moral hazardNov 05 17:00
Sosumiactually, these hospitals kind of mimic the charter schools in the USNov 05 17:02
Sosumisimply because public run hospitals compared to these privatly runNov 05 17:04
Sosumione looks like a hospital, the other looks like a luxuary hotelNov 05 17:04
Sosumicourtesy of the usually dupe, the consenting taxpayerNov 05 17:05
iophkso the taxpayer foots the bill either way I guessNov 05 17:07
iophkyet one is touted as a commercial successNov 05 17:07
Sosumithe direction should foot the billNov 05 17:08
Sosumiand see their assets liquidated for their "bad management"Nov 05 17:09
SosumiI guess that would put an end to those top of the line carsNov 05 17:10
iophkthat's the secret of management, no matter how badly they mess up, it's not their faultNov 05 17:10
Sosumithose guys usually ownNov 05 17:10
Sosumiit's the picture they paintNov 05 17:11
Sosumiproblem is the ppl for being so dumbNov 05 17:11
Sosumithat they'll believe in the lies and wathever those private entities through their appointees (politicians) sayNov 05 17:12
Sosumiand when it's election timeNov 05 17:12
Sosumithey'll just vote the last bounch outNov 05 17:13
Sosumiand hope things will go well this time aroundNov 05 17:13
Sosumiso they live in hope for their entire liveNov 05 17:13
iophkisn't one definition of insanity doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results?Nov 05 17:14
Sosumithey're into S&MNov 05 17:15
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Sosumiand it seems that I got a new laptopNov 05 18:44
Sosumiwell, almost new, but at least it was freeNov 05 18:44
Sosumicore 2 duo at 2.93 GHz, 4GB of ram and a GT9600m Nov 05 18:46
Sosumia bit of an improvement from my late compaq armadaNov 05 18:46
DaemonFCnot bad for freeNov 05 18:52
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Sosumiit just needs two 2 new fansNov 05 19:04
Sosumione of them has the bearings wasted, making the fan vibrate a lotNov 05 19:05
Sosumiand also make a lot of noiseNov 05 19:05
Sosumihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvzsBCyp3e0Nov 05 19:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Sunon Fan Failure - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzmg7 ]Nov 05 19:07
Sosumilike that oneNov 05 19:07
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220187Nov 05 19:17
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Defense One" (pro-war) is trying to say that #drones that lack human intervention/judgment are more 'secure' http://qz.com/133321/the-most-secure-drones-will-be-able-to-kill-without-human-controllers/Nov 05 19:17
TechrightsBot-tr-> qz.com | The most secure drones will be able to kill without human controllers  –  Quartz  [ http://ur1.ca/fy8e6 ]Nov 05 19:17
schestowitz"The biggest block to full military tyranny has always been that soldiers are human beings who, despite attempts to train it out of them, are capable of independent thought, and thus judging the morality and legality of their orders and disobeying them. The push for drones and automated mobile weaponry is an attempt to destroy that block. When you have a military that is 100% unquestioning and trusted by it's masters, all kinds of Nov 05 19:17
schestowitzabominations become available that aren't if you need to convince the average GI that you're doing the right thing."Nov 05 19:17
schestowitz"Drones also don't have parents who can lead campaigns against your government, and video of drones coming back damaged from war are unlikely to have the same impact on the public that television footage of dead Americans coming back from Vietnam did in the Vietnam war."Nov 05 19:17
schestowitz"All of this is little reassurance for people being blown to bits in front of loved ones, right now, by drones, or for the American people when their weapons start being unleashed at protests in the US."Nov 05 19:18
schestowitzThat's already happening. The FBI confirmed using drones (mostly to spy) and Dorner was almost targetted with a drone strike in the US. At least 5 USians were killed abroad with drone strikes, most of them by accident.Nov 05 19:19
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Sosumiyes, autonomous dronesNov 05 19:23
Sosumifinally the "people" will be able to crash one in some politician's faceNov 05 19:24
Sosuminot that hyjacking the controls wasn't feasable or exploiting it's onboard sensorsNov 05 19:25
Sosumikind of like iran didNov 05 19:26
Sosumiwill the drones also hate us for our freedoms and liberties when one crashes against an airliner?Nov 05 19:27
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iophk"Dorner was almost targetted with a drone strike in the US"Nov 05 19:57
iophkso that may have been one of the reasons the cops ordered all the media out of the area?Nov 05 19:57
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schestowitzthyey set him on fireNov 05 20:17
schestowitznobody knows how exactlyNov 05 20:17
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schestowitzvould be rpg evenNov 05 20:18
schestowitzwooden homeNov 05 20:18
schestowitznot napalm/mortarNov 05 20:18
schestowitz!google waco bombingNov 05 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siegeNov 05 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - WACO BOMBING COVERUP! CNN FOOTAGE CROPPED 4/18/13 ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMoHuR-1Tk5kNov 05 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Meet the Man Who Witnessed Both the Boston Bombing and the ... | http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/meet-man-who-witnessed-both-boston-bombing-and-waco-explosion/64377/Nov 05 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Boston Marathon Explosion, Waco Raid, Oklahoma City Bombing All ... | http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/boston-marathon-explosion-waco-raid-oklahoma-city-bombing-all-happened-in-april/Nov 05 20:18
schestowitzus population as enemyNov 05 20:19
schestowitz:The Branch Davidians, a Christian[5] sect led by David Koresh, lived at Mount Carmel Center ranch in the community of Elk, Texas,[6][7] nine miles (14 kilometers) east-northeast of Waco. The group was suspected of weapons violations and a search and arrest warrant was obtained."Nov 05 20:19
schestowitz"During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center and 76 men, women, and children,[8][9] including David Koresh, died."Nov 05 20:20
schestowitz"Controversy ensued over the origin of the fire; a government investigation concluded in 2000 that sect members themselves had started the fire at the time of the attack."Nov 05 20:20
schestowitzsounds like BSNov 05 20:20
schestowitz"women, and children,"Nov 05 20:21
schestowitz"David Koresh is interviewed by CNN. The FBI instructs CNN not to conduct further interviews."Nov 05 20:22
schestowitzdorner parallelsNov 05 20:22
schestowitzhe diedNov 05 20:22
schestowitz"Law enforcement source says David Koresh is dead."Nov 05 20:23
schestowitz"Cyrus Koresh, 8, American"Nov 05 20:23
schestowitz"Nicole Gent Little, 24, Australian, pregnant"Nov 05 20:24
schestowitz"Dayland Lord Gent, 3, Australian[72]"Nov 05 20:24
Sosumidavid koresh? wasn't that the waco guy?Nov 05 20:35
schestowitzscroll up for contextNov 05 20:36
Sosumi*facepalm*Nov 05 20:36
Sosumishould have maximized the windowNov 05 20:36
schestowitzwe came to this through discussion of US/CIA drone strikes and Michael DornerNov 05 20:36
schestowitzhttp://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50140955nNov 05 20:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.cbsnews.com | Dorner standoff ends in shootout, fire - CBS News Video  [ http://ur1.ca/fzmwq ]Nov 05 20:37
schestowitz!google dorner standoffNov 05 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Police in Christopher Dorner standoff launched incendiary tear gas ... | http://nypost.com/2013/02/14/police-in-christopher-dorner-standoff-launched-incendiary-tear-gas-into-cabin/Nov 05 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Dorner standoff ends in shootout, fire - CBS News Video | http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/%3Fid%3D50140955nNov 05 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - San Bernardino County Sheriff On Chris Dorner Standoff: 'This Is A ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/san-bernardino-county-sheriff-chris-dorner_n_2916069.htmlNov 05 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Christopher Dorner: stand-off ends with cabin in flames - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9866716/Christopher-Dorner-stand-off-ends-with-cabin-in-flames.htmlNov 05 20:37
schestowitzUS makes even Russia look civilNov 05 20:37
schestowitz(today's US)Nov 05 20:37
Sosumiindeed :(Nov 05 20:39
Sosumiand what about that 20 years guy from the latest shooting?Nov 05 20:39
Sosumiít's like there's one every weekNov 05 20:39
Sosumiand usually the guy goes gun ho, shoots a couple of ppl and then he's killed or kills himselfNov 05 20:40
schestowitzlike the nacy incidents?Nov 05 20:41
Sosuminacy?Nov 05 20:41
schestowitzor yard shootings?Nov 05 20:41
schestowitzso many guns around, even automaticNov 05 20:41
SosumiI was alluring to the LAX shooter and mall shooters recentlyNov 05 20:42
Sosumi*which happened recentlyNov 05 20:43
Sosumito the gerard laughner and the boston bombingsNov 05 20:43
Sosumiwhen the guys aren't killed, they usually show up like they're not even the same guyNov 05 20:44
Sosumisome well, the tsarnaev guy, aside all the smelly stories put around by the establishment media,Nov 05 20:45
Sosumithe guy got one of those air tubes on the neck just to prevent him from talkingNov 05 20:46
Sosumiand what actually protected him was from the deranged shooting by the cops was the engine block of the boad he was hidding inNov 05 20:46
Sosumitsarnaev kind of sounds like framingNov 05 20:47
Sosumibut the others and random shootings smells to mk-ultraNov 05 20:48
Sosumiand folks with mental issues, which in turn makes them highly suggestableNov 05 20:49
Sosumiand we all know, or should consider as true, that some psychologist work with the intelligence services in order to recruit, by the power of suggestion, those dudesNov 05 20:50
Sosumikind of like the UFO fenomenaNov 05 20:50
Sosumiwhen shows like coast to coast and others talk about UFO and alien abductions, etcNov 05 20:51
Sosumiwell, it's a suggestion that is being placed in your mindNov 05 20:51
Sosumiso it's only natural, that you might end up dreaming about itNov 05 20:52
Sosumilil green man or reptilian, lawl, doing zee experiments that only herr doktor mendelle would be proud ofNov 05 20:53
Sosumiand then, those thinking they have been "abducted" go and seek a psychologistNov 05 20:53
Sosumiusually out of a list of "recomended" psychologistsNov 05 20:54
Sosumiand that means CIA approved psychologistsNov 05 20:54
Sosumiso what's stipping them from planting more suggestions on them and/or leaving them more psychology brokenNov 05 20:55
Sosumi*stoppingNov 05 20:55
Sosumiactually, nothingNov 05 20:55
Sosumiand so, when someone sees an experimental aircraft or something on those linesNov 05 20:55
Sosumiand calls it an UFO (unidentified flying object), he's ridiculized and the pre-programmed idea of ETs jumps in and the message that was first trying to be transmited is dismissed into laugherNov 05 20:57
Sosumiedd bernays should be proud :)Nov 05 20:58
Sosumiand I was just not referring to coast to coast am and those "truther" talk radioNov 05 21:01
Sosumibut also to mudstream preachers like david ikeNov 05 21:01
Sosumiwhich just regurgitate Helena Blavatski crapNov 05 21:02
Sosumi*regurgitatesNov 05 21:03
Sosumiactually, btw Blavatski's Lucis (from Lucifer aka intellect) Trust is an UN adviserNov 05 21:04
Sosumihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucis_TrustNov 05 21:04
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Lucis Trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 05 21:04
Sosumi"The Lucis Trust has consultative status (roster level) with the United Nations Economic and Social Council."Nov 05 21:05
Sosumibut it's all conspiracy, everything is OK, there's no secret CABALNov 05 21:06
Sosuminor a Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented LifeformNov 05 21:08
Sosumi:)Nov 05 21:08
SosumiJap gov giving free new houses away for folks who wish to go backNov 05 21:13
Sosumiapocalyptic tourism in Ukraine gives place to apocalyptic living in japanNov 05 21:14
Sosumiand I mean, back to fukushima prefectureNov 05 21:15
schestowitzhttp://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/showallphotos.aspx?imo=9321160#top_photoNov 05 21:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.marinetraffic.com | Error in MarineTraffic application  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn5i ]Nov 05 21:23
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_oil_spillNov 05 21:25
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Gulf War oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/zyld ]Nov 05 21:25
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IXTOC_I_oil_well_blowout.jpgNov 05 21:26
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | File:IXTOC I oil well blowout.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn5v ]Nov 05 21:26
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spillsNov 05 21:27
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of oil spills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/zyla ]Nov 05 21:27
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_testsNov 05 21:28
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of nuclear weapons tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn68 ]Nov 05 21:28
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weaponsNov 05 21:30
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | List of nuclear weapons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fzn6k ]Nov 05 21:30
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_explosionsNov 05 21:31
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Sosumihttp://rt.com/usa/washington-no-gmo-labeling-282/Nov 06 05:42
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SosumiGMO labelingNov 06 05:42
Sosumiyeah, eat poison without even knowing itNov 06 05:42
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iophkhttp://www.techrepublic.com/blog/apple-in-the-enterprise/three-signs-youre-drinking-the-microsoft-kool-aid/Nov 06 08:54
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED7_y4jETo0Nov 06 08:55
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TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | European examples make case for open source in Vietnam | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/fzptb ]Nov 06 09:19
schestowitzhttp://www.walkingbutterfly.com/2010/12/22/when-you-kill-ten-million-africans-you-arent-called-hitler/Nov 06 09:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.walkingbutterfly.com | When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’ : Diary of a Walking Butterfly  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpvv ]Nov 06 09:34
MinceRgeekingsNov 06 09:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398021561644752896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398021820483252226  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398022590905978880Nov 06 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency http://t.co/6bnQ9PsVgR #nz broke the law, not legalises itNov 06 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> thinkprogress.org | New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency | ThinkProgressNov 06 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Washington votes against GMO labeling – preliminary results http://t.co/0pxIAA5QnK corporations always get their way. #us #gmoNov 06 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Chomsky Attacks Rush to "Destroy the Environment as Fast as Possible" with Fracking and Tar Sands  http://t.co/tztkh4cxC0 #energyNov 06 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.alternet.org | Chomsky Attacks Rush to "Destroy the Environment as Fast as Possible" with Fracking and Tar Sands | AlternetNov 06 09:45
DaemonFChttp://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/247081/slide_247081_1434657_free.jpg?1346096194000Nov 06 09:55
DaemonFCuhhhmNov 06 09:55
iophkschestowitz: don't forget there's also "mountain topping"Nov 06 09:56
iophkthat's destroying the face of the planet thoroughly where it happens and often poisons the surface water as part of the dealNov 06 09:56
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/04/deadly-spiders-supermarket-bananas-_n_4214464.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopularNov 06 09:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Deadly Spiders Found On Supermarket Bananas Force British Family To Flee Home  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq05 ]Nov 06 09:59
DaemonFCI don't remember asking for these on my corn flakes.Nov 06 09:59
iophkhttp://www.mountainjusticesummer.org/facts/steps.phpNov 06 10:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.mountainjusticesummer.org | Mountain Justice - What is Mountain Top Removal Mining?  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq0c ]Nov 06 10:01
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QmQ0OaIVCUNov 06 10:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Family guy - Peter is a shark - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq0o ]Nov 06 10:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398025710369267712  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398026048191086592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398026335836454912  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398026653278171136Nov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Before monotheism with an anonymous nameless, authority took power http://t.co/b62jKcLsm4 https://t.co/19HucqthpyNov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> thepsychoemoreport.tumblr.com | lunar-rayne:  ”..The God Graveyard, old gods that... | Psycho Emo ReportNov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> en.wikipedia.org | Monotheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: European examples make case for open source in Vietnam  https://t.co/D1zcRwCPHw #microsoft can easily bribe themNov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Any news yet about US investigation (preferably outcome) into #Microsoft #bribery in several nations (for gov. contracts)?Nov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Three signs you’re drinking the #Microsoft Kool-Aid http://t.co/7MngJM7mGi for some, it's about taking bribes, including #nokiaNov 06 10:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398027086293921792 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398027282306306048Nov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ballmer left Microsoft, which makes it unlikely he will ever go to prison for bribery and racketeering. Gates afraid to return full-time.Nov 06 10:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Linux Desktop In The Enterprise: Ubuntu Vs. Windows http://t.co/F64t12JqPv why just Ubuntu? #gnu #linux has many good distrosNov 06 10:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398028776455827456Nov 06 10:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The technical argument over Free software (versus proprietary) was won decade ago.With cash cows down, #Microsoft struggles to #bribe now.Nov 06 10:08
schestowitziophk: good linksNov 06 10:08
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/op-ed-a-critique-of-lavabit/Nov 06 10:17
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Op-ed: Lavabit’s primary security claim wasn’t actually true | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq2y ]Nov 06 10:17
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253492Nov 06 10:32
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/79330.htmlNov 06 10:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxinsider.com | Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo | Smartphones | LinuxInsider  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq6n ]Nov 06 10:32
schestowitz"I wonder how it would run with #replicant?"Nov 06 10:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398035287169056768Nov 06 10:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Ladar Levison stood up for users' privacy—but perhaps a little too late." http://t.co/pCRQPUz30UNov 06 10:35
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253174Nov 06 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/us-officials-say-forget-about-clemency-for-snowden/ he aided the people of the US. Serious offence.Nov 06 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | US officials say forget about clemency for Snowden | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzfhr ]Nov 06 10:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253361Nov 06 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tuxmachines Tentatively Sold to Techrights http://fossforce.com/2013/11/tuxmachines-tentatively-sold/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tuxmachines-tentatively-sold will finalise the transfer soon, will make the site activeNov 06 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> fossforce.com | Tuxmachines Tentatively Sold to Techrights - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/fzlpr ]Nov 06 10:43
schestowitz"Congratulations."Nov 06 10:43
schestowitz"I doubt Snowden even expected a favorable response. Which implies he made the request for some other reason. I would like to learn more about what that reason is."Nov 06 10:45
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253099Nov 06 10:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Embrace, destroy, spy: Microsoft "shutting down all third-party access to its desktop API at the end of the year" http://www.infoworld.com/t/application-development/microsoft-kills-skype-third-party-tools-the-desktop-230101Nov 06 10:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.infoworld.com | Microsoft kills Skype third-party tools for the desktop | Application development - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fzko7 ]Nov 06 10:46
schestowitz"I use Jitsi now, but it only seems to record audio, not video. So true regarding recording. Currently I only use Skype for business things that get posted publicly on YouTube anyway, so they're not getting anything they couldn't just by visiting YouTube anyway. Still, I'd really prefer not to give $k¥p€ any of my money though. The day Jitsi can record the video to a high quality file without having to have the window on top of Nov 06 10:46
schestowitzevery other window, I'll gladly be uninstalling that invasive little piece of... software."Nov 06 10:46
schestowitzjitsi with gtkrecordmydesktop is still an option, though the quality would be low.Nov 06 10:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253290Nov 06 10:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Every Apple-related product I use has been crippled in important ways."    http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/65697513808/on-the-pathological-way-apple-deals-with-its-customers simple solution: stop buying #appleNov 06 10:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> lessig.tumblr.com | Lessig Blog, v2  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq9e ]Nov 06 10:47
schestowitz"He asks for decency from the indecent. Non free software has always been an injustice."Nov 06 10:47
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/Moh_sophy/status/359449899475021824/photo/1Nov 06 10:56
TechrightsBot-tr@Moh_sophy: مؤتمر حول "حقوق المرأة" في المملكة العربية السعودية http://t.co/cY6HYFymhvNov 06 10:56
TechrightsBot-tr@Moh_sophy: مؤتمر حول "حقوق المرأة" في المملكة العربية السعودية http://t.co/cY6HYFymhvNov 06 10:56
Sosumisaudi conference about the rights of womenNov 06 10:56
Sosumibut only attended by man in dragNov 06 10:56
iophkoxymoron?Nov 06 10:57
SosumiI don't know, I just laught when in the KSA man dance like women because there are no women in their partiesNov 06 10:58
Sosumiactually, they're in a separate room...Nov 06 10:59
Sosumihttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9d3_1314743779Nov 06 11:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.liveleak.com | LiveLeak.com - Exclusive Saudi Arabia Gay Party  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqb5 ]Nov 06 11:00
SosumilawlNov 06 11:00
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Sosumiand news from poortugal, portuguese gov is going to create an entity to regulate the entity that regulates the prices of gasNov 06 11:04
Sosumilike if we didn't know that refineries fix prices and pass some nice paychecks to the regulators of those competition agenciesNov 06 11:06
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/amd-stomps-nvidia-with-r9-290-at-least-in-reviews/Nov 06 11:13
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | AMD stomps Nvidia with R9 290… at least in reviews | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqdc ]Nov 06 11:13
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Sosumigpu reaching 94º CNov 06 11:14
Sosumiand fan barelly managing to copeNov 06 11:14
Sosuminow imagine the cooling system of the buttplug pro (new mac pro)Nov 06 11:14
iophkThey can be rack mounted : http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/70032451/Nov 06 11:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.ikea.com | HUTTEN 9-bottle wine rack - IKEA  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqeh ]Nov 06 11:17
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sebsebsebhiNov 06 12:39
iophkhiNov 06 12:39
sebsebsebiophk: hiNov 06 12:40
oiaohmzentyal is upto something interesting.Nov 06 12:47
oiaohmIntergrated exchange replacement by the end of 2014Nov 06 12:47
oiaohmYes one that accepts outlook clientsNov 06 12:48
iophkinteresting.  will it be able to lose mail as effectively? :>Nov 06 12:48
iophkIs there a link to the announcement?  I'm not seeing anything in the news.Nov 06 12:49
oiaohmiophk: unlikely to lose mail thinking it will be still using lots of the traditional tried and tested Unix storage methods.Nov 06 12:49
iophkOk.  Maybe the lost mail will be some add-on module where you can set the percentage yourself.  Nov 06 12:50
oiaohmiophk: there are two youtube videos.Nov 06 12:50
oiaohmiophk: one showing the tech preview.Nov 06 12:50
iophkAny written descriptions of it?Nov 06 12:54
oiaohmhttp://www.zentyal.org/2013/10/zentyal-launches-the-only-native-microsoft-exchange-replacement/Nov 06 12:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.zentyal.org | News - Zentyal launches the only native Microsoft Exchange replacement | Linux Small Business Server  [ http://ur1.ca/fzqtk ]Nov 06 12:54
iophkThxNov 06 12:55
oiaohmiophk: its a combination of openchange samba4 and sogo and a few other techs.Nov 06 12:55
oiaohmiophk: Outlook 2003 will be supported fully in the decmeber 3.3 release target is there goal.Nov 06 12:55
oiaohmie dec this year.Nov 06 12:55
iophkThere have been Citadel and Kolab but I don't know if they work with those awful Outlook clientsNov 06 12:56
oiaohmthen threw 2014 working up into 2007....Nov 06 12:56
oiaohmCitadel and kolab you have to put plugins into outlook.Nov 06 12:56
oiaohmthat break very often due to MS updates.Nov 06 12:56
iophkI've seen Outlook.  It's not a good mail client at all.Nov 06 12:57
iophkA lot of 90's clients have it beat.Nov 06 12:57
oiaohmThis plan is also evily transparent.Nov 06 12:57
iophkIt will still be a hard sell.  Nov 06 12:58
oiaohmSince zentyal can pretend to be exchange with ADS and all.Nov 06 12:58
oiaohmYou can migrate 1 mail box at a time off a windows server to it.Nov 06 12:58
iophkSamba4 is apparently good at that.Nov 06 12:58
oiaohmWithout clients noticing.Nov 06 12:58
iophkThat is a useful capabilityNov 06 12:58
oiaohmRemeber windows 2003 is going end of life in 2014Nov 06 12:59
iophkdoesn't Exchange charge per-seat with CALs or something?Nov 06 12:59
oiaohmExactly.Nov 06 12:59
oiaohmAnd zentyal does not.Nov 06 12:59
iophkHow will Zentyal get the word out?  The press won't cover non-M$ productsNov 06 12:59
oiaohmiophk: that is why I mentioned it here.Nov 06 13:00
iophkNice.Nov 06 13:00
oiaohmMore people aware more it will spreed.Nov 06 13:00
oiaohmOne of the developers at zentyal is one of the founding developers of openchange.Nov 06 13:00
iophkThat's a lot of relevant experienceNov 06 13:01
iophkto have in the new project.Nov 06 13:01
oiaohmiophk: its not exactly new.Nov 06 13:02
oiaohmThey started in 2002-2003 attempting to clone exhange without documentation.Nov 06 13:02
oiaohmBasically after all this time they are in the final stage of taking it commerial.Nov 06 13:03
iophkIt takes a long time.  Even if M$ has documentation, it tends to be incomplete or wrong.Nov 06 13:03
iophkJust ask the Samba team or anyone trying OOXMLNov 06 13:03
oiaohmiophk: openchange two other core members come from Samba.Nov 06 13:04
iophkWith Exchange 2003 going EOL, they probably won't have time to release a "patch" to break ZentyalNov 06 13:04
iophkMakes sense, the reverse engineering backgrounds would be of use.Nov 06 13:04
oiaohmreally MS cannot.Nov 06 13:04
oiaohmEU forces micorosft to release all protocal information include exchanges.Nov 06 13:05
oiaohmThey are in the test casing stage.Nov 06 13:05
iophkM$ hasn't cared about compliance  in the past though.Nov 06 13:05
oiaohmAny alteration with be a EU foul costing Microsoft many more billions in fines.Nov 06 13:05
oiaohmiophk: they have with the EU.Nov 06 13:06
iophkThe fines would be delayed and might be deemed worth it if M$ can keep or extend marketshare in the servers.Nov 06 13:06
oiaohmiophk: EU has the right due to pior anti-trust cases in the USA to cease USA assets for force complance.Nov 06 13:06
iophkThat would be good if it happened.Nov 06 13:06
oiaohmiophk: that is the big problem.Nov 06 13:07
oiaohmiophk: EU can choose to take the billions in direct core assets.Nov 06 13:07
iophkI think anything short of a full ban on sales for 2 years would be ineffective.Nov 06 13:07
iophkRight now M$ has money or the illusion of money but needs the monopoly moreNov 06 13:07
oiaohmiophk: you are aware Microsoft runs compadiblely workshops with samba even paying for the samba personal to attend.Nov 06 13:07
iophka ban would go to the heart of the monopolyNov 06 13:08
oiaohmsince the EU cases.Nov 06 13:08
iophkworse it would force alternatives to get usedNov 06 13:08
iophkand then word would get out.Nov 06 13:08
oiaohmWhat the EU has done is kinda worse.Nov 06 13:08
oiaohmExactly EU goal.Nov 06 13:08
oiaohmCompadibliy makes migration simple.Nov 06 13:08
oiaohmiophk: remember Microsoft also no longer makers SBS server.Nov 06 13:09
oiaohmThat people using 2003 had.Nov 06 13:09
iophkI haven't followed the versions.  I've seen some in attempted use but they have all been fail when push comes to shove.Nov 06 13:14
iophkThey work well enough for a demo but fail in real life situations.Nov 06 13:14
iophkBut then that's all that counts: the sales demoNov 06 13:14
oiaohmiophk: zentyal is not new either.  It started life as ebox platform.Nov 06 13:26
oiaohmIts basically been slowly growing it market share over the years.Nov 06 13:26
iophkThis may give it a big boost.Nov 06 13:29
oiaohmTiming is critical.Nov 06 13:42
oiaohmYou also have to remember the NSA mess is also playing on companies minds as well.Nov 06 13:42
iophkYes, there is a window of opportunity.  NSA and M$ will try to drag things out though.Nov 06 13:43
iophkWhat has Pogson said about it so far?Nov 06 13:43
iophkHe might be eager, especially if there is a Debian port.  ;)Nov 06 13:44
oiaohmsharepoint is not a major barrior due to alfresco.Nov 06 13:46
iophkI don't understand the purpose of Painpoint.Nov 06 13:47
oiaohmThis is the problem most of the common services business use will be provided.Nov 06 13:47
iophkAside from the purpose of soaking up incredible amounts of staff time both users and support staff.Nov 06 13:47
oiaohmsharepoint gain is its intergration.Nov 06 13:47
oiaohmalfresco stablity kinda kicks it ass.Nov 06 13:47
iophkYeah it's tied to just about every M$ product under the sun but what does it do beside burn time?Nov 06 13:47
iophkIt's not really a CMS.  It's not really document management.  It's not really storage.Nov 06 13:49
oiaohmiophk: to be correct sharepoint is ment todo documentation management and cms.Nov 06 13:55
oiaohmiophk: but due to defects is kinda bad.Nov 06 13:55
oiaohmiophk: the ideal good but as with all Microsoft stuff the implemetnation is bad.Nov 06 13:56
oiaohmiophk: http://www.zentyal.org/2013/10/zentyal-seeking-to-hire-cc-developers/  yes zentyal is more than serous about pulling of the features.Nov 06 13:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.zentyal.org | News - Zentyal seeking to hire C/C++ Developers | Linux Small Business Server  [ http://ur1.ca/fzr0j ]Nov 06 13:59
MinceRthat arse technica article on lavabit misses the pointNov 06 14:04
MinceRalso, it doesn't state anything new about the way it workedNov 06 14:04
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iophkhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-05/google-s-8th-ranked-lobbying-machine-takes-on-spy-debate.htmlNov 06 14:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.bloomberg.com | Google’s 8th Ranked Lobbying Machine Takes on Spy Debate - Bloomberg  [ http://ur1.ca/fzr7d ]Nov 06 14:40
iophkhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2013/11/05/googles-schmidt-dismisses-the-threat-of-social-mocks-microsoft-speaks-of-the-nsa-leaks/Nov 06 14:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Google's Schmidt Dismisses The Threat Of Social, Mocks Microsoft, Speaks Of The NSA Leaks - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/fzr8z ]Nov 06 14:50
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iophkhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2426807,00.aspNov 06 15:35
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iophkoldish - http://bsdly.blogspot.fi/2011/02/problem-isnt-email-its-microsoft.htmlNov 06 18:37
TechrightsBot-trbsdly.blogspot.fi | That grumpy BSD guy: The Problem Isn't Email, It's Microsoft Exchange  [ http://ur1.ca/fzsbg ]Nov 06 18:37
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sebsebsebhi again iophkNov 06 19:09
sebsebsebjono:  no show?Nov 06 19:09
sebsebsebhi MinceRNov 06 19:10
MinceRhayNov 06 19:10
sebsebsebMinceR: hmm I have put Open Suse in my suggested idea for the event, when it comes to distro's and interfacesNov 06 19:10
sebsebsebfor Mageia and Open Suse to both show  KDE and GNOME that isNov 06 19:10
MinceR193701 <@iophk> oldish - http://bsdly.blogspot.fi/2011/02/problem-isnt-email-its-microsoft.htmlNov 06 19:11
MinceRso trueNov 06 19:11
MinceRoutlock still fails at quotingNov 06 19:11
iophkYep and AFAIK at threadingNov 06 19:11
MinceR(and search, and standards compliance, and everything there is)Nov 06 19:11
MinceRi didn't even try to get it to threadNov 06 19:12
iophkthere are so many features it was lacking, might still be lacking, that were available in real mail clients back at the end of the 1990'sNov 06 19:12
iophkThen Windows itself (botnets) causes spam.Nov 06 19:12
MinceRhell, that piece of shit delivered my mail to Deleted Items for a week and when i tried to move it to Inbox it just deleted them allNov 06 19:12
iophkYes even basic functions fail.Nov 06 19:13
iophkThink of all the intra-office fights that have started over missing mail.Nov 06 19:13
MinceRand the fact that this piece of shit uses two different formats to store your mail depending on whether you want it to delete mail from the "server" on download or notNov 06 19:14
MinceRboth of them nonstandard, of courseNov 06 19:14
MinceRand multipart messages are torn apart and stored that wayNov 06 19:14
MinceRwithout any way to restore the original formNov 06 19:14
iophksebsebseb: hi againNov 06 19:15
MinceRthen there's AD, which forgets passwordsNov 06 19:15
iophkAD is slooowNov 06 19:15
iophkIt has also broken Kerberos apparentlyNov 06 19:15
MinceRit has broken everythingNov 06 19:16
iophkThunderbird needs work tooNov 06 19:18
MinceRyes, backing out the recent fuckups, especially in the uiNov 06 19:19
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iophkAnd something in the profile keeps getting corrupted.Nov 06 19:20
iophkI can't search message bodies now.  Could a few minutes ago.Nov 06 19:20
MinceRat least they already fixed the search UINov 06 19:21
MinceRit was utterly horrid when it could only generate an html-like result pageNov 06 19:21
MinceRinstead of properly filtering the listNov 06 19:21
iophkWhen it works, it works ok.Nov 06 19:22
MinceR"It all comes down to the shortsightedness or intellectual shallowness of Microsoft Exchange's designers, way back then."Nov 06 19:22
MinceRi think it comes down to the people forcing this crap on usNov 06 19:23
MinceRthe m$ people bribing and forcing people to buy and use this crap and the efforts of the m$ cultNov 06 19:23
iophkthose that do it for free against the interests of their employers are a puzzleNov 06 19:25
iophkthere is no gain for themNov 06 19:25
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iophkThunderbird defaults to top-quoting messages now.  That sucks.Nov 06 19:27
MinceRi just tend to type a greeting on the top and answers below the appropriate quoted lineNov 06 19:28
MinceRwhen i have the option of using a mail client that works, that isNov 06 19:28
MinceRin outlock, if you add a newline in the quoted part, it just puts the quote bar in front of the new lineNov 06 19:28
iophkThat's common from Usenet and some mailing lists.Nov 06 19:29
iophkIt's also important to trim the quoted text to just the relevant bits.Nov 06 19:29
MinceRindeedNov 06 19:30
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iophkold - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/02/icloud_runs_on_microsoft_azure_and_amazon/Nov 06 19:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Apple's iCloud runs on Microsoft and Amazon services • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/50gl0 ]Nov 06 19:52
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/06/yasser-arafat-poisoned-polonium-tests-scientistsNov 06 20:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Yasser Arafat may have been poisoned with polonium, tests show | World news | The Guardian  [ http://ur1.ca/fzsob ]Nov 06 20:11
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sebsebsebiophk: hmm maybe a Mint only event woudn't be so bad?Nov 06 20:18
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sebsebsebiophk: I did a suggesiton trying to include everything, MInt guy didn't seem to agree or understand properlyNov 06 20:18
sebsebsebI am just thinking maybe a Mint event is the way to go if can't have Mageia since hwateverNov 06 20:18
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/got-38000-burning-a-hole-in-your-pocket-why-not-buy-a-dota-2-courier-with-it/Nov 06 21:13
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Got $38,000 burning a hole in your pocket? Why not buy a Dota 2 courier with it? | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzswr ]Nov 06 21:13
Sosumiprobably paid with a stollen credit cardNov 06 21:14
Sosumibut stuff like this, vanity items, alongside dlc are what made me stay way from gaming after "gaming" went mainstream this genNov 06 21:15
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Nov 06 22:02
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 06 22:02
DaemonFChttp://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/13/11/06/206228/blockbuster-to-close-remaining-us-locationsNov 06 22:02
TechrightsBot-trentertainment.slashdot.org | Blockbuster To Close Remaining US Locations - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fzt48 ]Nov 06 22:02
DaemonFCI feel sorry for the people who will lose their jobs because there are no longer physical rental locations.Nov 06 22:02
DaemonFCThe widespread and unethical practice of licensing movies with Digital Restrictions Malware and patent-encumbered multimedia codecs will continue, and the MAFIAA gangsters will not lower prices, so on the whole, this is a bad thing.Nov 06 22:02
DaemonFCA job as a video store clerk is not a good job, but it is a job. The money these corporations save will go into the pockets of the rich instead.Nov 06 22:02
DaemonFCThat's why, when I shop at a store with self-checkouts, I walk past them and loudly say "When you use these machines, you are putting Americans out of work.".Nov 06 22:02
DaemonFCThe fact that so few workers are needed in the modern economy is enough justification for a Basic Income program that all citizens are eligible to receive, which would guarantee a modest standard of living, and a population control initiative to correct for the current unnecessary population growth.Nov 06 22:02
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/CHT6nvG.jpgNov 06 22:10
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MinceRgnNov 06 22:32
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Sosumihttp://motherboard.vice.com/blog/what-apple-does-and-doesnt-know-about-youNov 07 05:57
TechrightsBot-trmotherboard.vice.com | Apple Says It Isn't Interested in Your Data: Here's What Apple Does and Doesn't Know About You | Motherboard  [ http://ur1.ca/fzuzh ]Nov 07 05:57
Sosumigoogle and facebook are because the user is the productNov 07 05:57
Sosumibut to avoid all that, that's for what android open source is forNov 07 05:58
Sosumihttp://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2013/11/06/microsoft-starts-donating-windows-8-1-nonprofit-organizations-public-libraries/Nov 07 05:59
TechrightsBot-trthenextweb.com | Microsoft Gives Windows 8.1 to Nonprofit Organizations  [ http://ur1.ca/fzuzl ]Nov 07 05:59
SosumiI can attest that the Brotherhood of Nod is yet to receive its copyNov 07 06:00
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DaemonFChttp://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-our-country/63799/Nov 07 07:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.theatlanticwire.com | 12 Million Americans Believe Lizard People Run Our Country - Philip Bump - The Atlantic Wire  [ http://ur1.ca/fzver ]Nov 07 07:30
DaemonFC5% of Obama voters believe he's the antichrist and voted for him anyway?Nov 07 07:33
DaemonFC:)Nov 07 07:33
MinceR:)Nov 07 07:36
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10431337/Edward-Snowden-leaks-could-help-paedophiles-escape-police-says-government.htmlNov 07 08:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Edward Snowden leaks could help paedophiles escape police, says government - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/fzv4i ]Nov 07 08:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3253492Nov 07 09:11
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/79330.htmlNov 07 09:11
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxinsider.com | Google Debuts Nexus 5, KitKat Combo | Smartphones | LinuxInsider  [ http://ur1.ca/fzq6n ]Nov 07 09:11
schestowitz"i wonder how it would run with #SailfishOS!"Nov 07 09:11
schestowitzMinceR: http://img8.joyreactor.com/pics/post/gif-pope-boy-chair-940988.gifNov 07 09:12
schestowitzhe wants to do in on the chairNov 07 09:12
schestowitziophk: cheers, good morningNov 07 09:12
iophkMorningNov 07 09:13
iophkFreeBSD was released 1 Nov, 20 years ago.Nov 07 09:22
iophkif Wikipedia is accurate.Nov 07 09:22
schestowitziophk: cheers, good morning https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398380159247851521Nov 07 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: War http://t.co/VCgANsFdNmNov 07 09:24
schestowitz oops, pressed up :/Nov 07 09:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398379785812197376 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398379315622346752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398378060485251072  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398377289052082176  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398376594697637888Nov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Talking while driving http://t.co/ED7cpY5ZX4Nov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "The media coverage of the war in Syria examines only military, diplomatic and humanitarian action." http://t.co/JNsvJAJDfONov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.voltairenet.org | Syria has Changed | " Before our eyes "Nov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Latest #techbytes episode: Richard Stallman on Free Labour in Prisons http://t.co/4pMc0DAsus more to come this month, about 7 parts...Nov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Richard Stallman on Free Labour in PrisonsNov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Think about the children! Hate Snowden http://t.co/T2njpWDnUh our government is getting patheticNov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Today is the official launch of Trends Right, dozens of products to be added later today http://t.co/MZeoixYEZnNov 07 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | Trends Right » Fashion for AllNov 07 09:25
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iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/2013/11/fedora-10-years-leading-linux-development/15594Nov 07 09:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Fedora - 10 years of leading Linux development | Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/fzvyb ]Nov 07 09:31
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MinceRschestowitz: poor kid doesn't realize what danger he's inNov 07 09:45
MinceRgeekingsNov 07 09:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398381159509680128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398388932549025792Nov 07 10:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Only in #melbourne http://t.co/YqV2PFs8aTNov 07 10:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Google engineers: Fuck you NSA http://t.co/zyquLA9tyS #nsa #googleNov 07 10:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | Google engineers: Fuck you NSA | MuktwareNov 07 10:00
iophkQ: Is there anything that they won't use the 'think of the children' line on?Nov 07 10:23
iophkA: Healthcare.Nov 07 10:23
iophk""Nov 07 10:24
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MinceR:>Nov 07 11:20
schestowitziophk: ahNov 07 11:29
iophkparaphrasedNov 07 11:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398395393035497472  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398399039026520064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398402313767116800  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398411641525907457Nov 07 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: More Lawsuits by Proxy From Microsoft Against Linux  http://t.co/M4BXzjhRlJ #linux #microsoft #android #swpatsNov 07 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | More Lawsuits by Proxy From Microsoft Against Linux | TechrightsNov 07 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The “Year of the Linux Desktop” Predicted in the Corporate Press http://t.co/vIkctNGyZB #gnu #linux #windows #vista8Nov 07 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The “Year of the Linux Desktop” Predicted in the Corporate Press | TechrightsNov 07 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How to Overcome #Microsoft UEFI ‘Secure’ Boot Lock-in: Chuck the Physical Hard-Drive  http://t.co/ROw8l42qjT #uefi #intel #bsdNov 07 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | How to Overcome Microsoft UEFI ‘Secure’ Boot Lock-in: Chuck the Physical Hard-Drive | TechrightsNov 07 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: UNIX and GNU/Linux: The More, The Merrier  http://t.co/K8ds389m0q #gnu #linux #unix #bsdNov 07 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | UNIX and GNU/Linux: The More, The Merrier | TechrightsNov 07 11:32
schestowitziophk: now about FreeBSD...Nov 07 11:39
iophkCool.Nov 07 11:39
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398413664971407360  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398416835429040128  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398424725720150016  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398431117705248768Nov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Embedded/Devices Linux News for October-November 2013 http://t.co/UQT41lqp3G #linuxNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Embedded/Devices Linux News for October-November 2013 | TechrightsNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: FreeBSD Turns 20  http://t.co/UBL0nAkeUT #bsd #freebsd #unixNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | FreeBSD Turns 20 | TechrightsNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: GNU Compiler Collection Approaching Version 5 http://t.co/tGsdB5IOUo #gnu #gcc #freedom #privacy #fsf #fsfeNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | GNU Compiler Collection Approaching Version 5 | TechrightsNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Latest NSA Ugliness: Skype Gets Worse, Snowden Speaks to Germany, New Zealand Becomes NSA’s Little Brother   http://t.co/UwPCKgVTrt #nsaNov 07 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Latest NSA Ugliness: Skype Gets Worse, Snowden Speaks to Germany, New Zealand Becomes NSA’s Little Brother, and ‘Paedophilia’ Used to Defend the NSA | TechrightsNov 07 12:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fgnutelephony%2Fstatus%2F398433495518674944&sig=bc4e94c3512f105c3b69134357cc035aa325f6b7&uid=26603208&iid=aa8423676caa4d90840b067d0f08ae7d&nid=27+1267&t=1Nov 07 13:05
TechrightsBot-trtwitter.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwtj ]Nov 07 13:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/398433495518674944Nov 07 13:06
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz the US govt clearly did consider those "essential" services during the shutdown....Nov 07 13:06
schestowitzthis shows who these services actually serve; same for the GOP as a party...Nov 07 13:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/398436058838208512Nov 07 13:08
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz well @KimDotcom has experience with New Zealand's little brother, and speaking of rectal exams: http://t.co/gGneV9cFArNov 07 13:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.huffingtonpost.com | Terrifying Drug War Story Of The Day: Man Receives Multiple Anal Probes After Traffic StopNov 07 13:08
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3256244Nov 07 13:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/11/05/2891461/zealand-nsa/ #nz broke the law, not legalises itNov 07 13:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> thinkprogress.org | New Zealand Approves New Law Granting NSA-Like Capability To Intel Agency | ThinkProgress  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwwu ]Nov 07 13:24
schestowitz"Encrypt All the Webs! Let them spend their compute cycles cracking open our amusing cat gifs, and links to Gangnam Style parodies.256244'Nov 07 13:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260283Nov 07 13:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google engineers: Fuck you NSA http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/google-engineers-fuck-nsa/15586 #nsa #googleNov 07 13:24
schestowitzYeah they should have just asked like they did with PRISM."Nov 07 13:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3256251Nov 07 13:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: This is interesting. Would like to do more research on it. King Leopold. http://www.walkingbutterfly.com/2010/12/22/when-you-kill-ten-million-africans-you-arent-called-hitler/Nov 07 13:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.walkingbutterfly.com | When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’ : Diary of a Walking Butterfly  [ http://ur1.ca/fzpvv ]Nov 07 13:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/c67ca7d05a5daf3dNov 07 13:25
TechrightsBot-trjoindiaspora.com | **The worst dicta...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwx1 ]Nov 07 13:25
schestowitz    "The whole organisation was riddled with nepotism - dim, dreary people of utter unmemorability; sub-men who were doubled up with other sub-men to create an illusion of strength and only doubled the weakness; others made memorable only by poisonous, corrupt malevolence or crass, mulish stupidity; the whole run by a chain of command remarkable for its feebleness. The entire service was decrepit and incompetent."Nov 07 13:27
schestowitzhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/BUGGERNov 07 13:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.bbc.co.uk | BBC - Blogs -  Adam Curtis - BUGGER  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwxf ]Nov 07 13:27
schestowitzhttp://31.media.tumblr.com/fde4cf7d2e327584a8aba9b3bfdaffa1/tumblr_mvviqyKy4q1r69cq5o1_500.jpgNov 07 13:30
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3256863Nov 07 13:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | #Unbelievable, be...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzwy5 ]Nov 07 13:31
schestowitzMe: I want to report a ridiculously slow broadband connection BT Customer Advisor: OK turn on your windoze PC Me: I don't have a windoze PC!!! BT Customer Advisor: That's right sir, switch it on Me: I just said I don't own a windoze PC BT Customer Advisor: What operating system do you use? Me: Linux BT Customer Advisor: Are you sure? Me: YES!!!! BT Customer Advisor: I can't help you because we don't support this Leeenux thing Me: I'm Nov 07 13:31
schestowitznot asking for a system review, I'm telling you that the broadband speed isn't what I pay for. I've checked the settings and they are all fine, but this speed has been awful for 3 days. BT Customer Advisor: I can't troubleshoot because you don't have a windoze or mac PC. Me: There seems to be an exterior line problem, both my neighbours have the same issue. BT Customer Advisor: Sorry I can't help you until you get a windoze PC""Nov 07 13:31
iophkLawsuit time?Nov 07 13:32
iophkAre there other ISP's or do they behave that way because they have a local monopoly?Nov 07 13:33
schestowitzI had this experience too last month. fortunately I knew their boss' name in India, so I immediately demand that they let me speak to him and within days the problem was rectified. For broadband, ask to speak to "Mahek"; failing that, threaten to talk to Mr. Buckley. That'll work magic. After 10 hours on the phone with them you tend to learn these tricks. threatening to dump BT helps too sometimes.Nov 07 13:33
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3256863Nov 07 13:34
schestowitzI presume you are from the UK? Check out Andrews & Arnold (aaisp). They are not the cheapest, but if you call tech support you realize you are talking to a network professional, not a script-reading chimp. They will be pleased to talk about Gnu/Linux software too. (I.e. they are network professionals ;-)"77"Nov 07 13:34
schestowitz"In such cases it might help to ask for the second level support to get someone who has a technical background ;-)"Nov 07 13:35
schestowitz"We were told once that using Linux violated the ISP's terms of service because it's "illegal," pirated, etc. Just lie, save yourself the trouble."Nov 07 13:35
schestowitz"Social goals" https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_c27bee5b5b7661d83734.jpgNov 07 13:43
MinceRhe was wrongNov 07 13:54
schestowitzblechNov 07 13:56
schestowitzthanks for what?Nov 07 13:56
schestowitzhttp://lessig.tumblr.com/post/66206907278/wow-apple-wonderful-newNov 07 13:56
TechrightsBot-trlessig.tumblr.com | Lessig Blog, v2  [ http://ur1.ca/fzx1u ]Nov 07 13:56
schestowitzhttp://www.lessig.org/2013/11/wow-apple-wonderful-news/Nov 07 13:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.lessig.org | Wow, Apple. Wonderful news. | Lessig  [ http://ur1.ca/fzsp1 ]Nov 07 13:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398433084963844096  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398433281865433088    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398436334890528768  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398436905962205184Nov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Our government says that #privacy helps #pedophilia so using similar logic I'd accuse the government of only aiding war crimes & corruptionNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Terrorists are found to be using pens and eating in restaurants when planning offences. Let's ban pens and restaurants.Nov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: @gnutelephony this shows who these services actually serve; same for the GOP as a party...Nov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The term "full rectal examination" is becoming more literal -- not just metaphorical -- in the #policestate http://t.co/OTvNeOfNwuNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.huffingtonpost.com | Terrifying Drug War Story Of The Day: Man Receives Multiple Anal Probes After Traffic StopNov 07 13:58
MinceR> crApple systems are of too low quality to expect that updates are seamless.Nov 07 13:58
MinceRFTFY, Larry.Nov 07 13:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398437591701528576  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398437872304668672  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398438474489266176  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398439049780023296Nov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Before it was cool" https://t.co/XeXCxyqwFONov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The oppressors at #apple prepare to help crush protests http://t.co/UAtbdIojcXNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> boingboing.net | Apple granted patent for location-based camera phone disabling - Boing BoingNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Help with actions, not with Big Brother (aka Facebook) https://t.co/MjD6A2FiBbNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "just fine for others to kick in for a movie that's all about self-reliance." http://t.co/w3EYz1H4MuNov 07 13:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.cnet.com | Ayn Rand producers beg for help from others on Kickstarter | Technically Incorrect - CNET NewsNov 07 13:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398439524701061120   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398441940112646145   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398444268215607296     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398448373680062464Nov 07 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Is #Arafat another Alexander #Litvinenko or not? http://t.co/5JJ7jOpqBS compare to http://t.co/10UKJ1YyA4Nov 07 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Yasser Arafat may have been poisoned with polonium, tests show | World news | The GuardianNov 07 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> en.wikipedia.org | Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 07 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "...better class of gerbil to find out the truth? But maybe we have them already - they're called journalists." http://t.co/mT7oCiPf7oNov 07 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "McDonald's happy image and its golden arches aren't the gateway to bliss in Bolivia.' http://t.co/WVNa63Jqe0Nov 07 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.foodmatters.tv | FINALLY! A Whole Nation Rejects McDonaldsNov 07 13:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Politicians pretending to be religious because their advisors tell them it's a good strategy for getting more vote: not just a US thing.Nov 07 13:59
iophkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/06/todays-drug-war-outrage-m_n_4225995.htmlNov 07 14:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Today's Drug War Outrage: Man Dies In Jail Cell After Misdemeanor Pot Offense  [ http://ur1.ca/fzx43 ]Nov 07 14:13
schestowitzposted..Nov 07 14:15
schestowitziophk: any point  publshing over 8 posts per day?Nov 07 14:15
schestowitzDone 8 by 12pmNov 07 14:16
schestowitzbut need to pace it a bitNov 07 14:16
schestowitzalso need to figure out how to manage tuxmachines and techrights, maybe split  by topicNov 07 14:16
schestowitzmaybe link the two for new contentNov 07 14:16
iophkpacing might be better insteadNov 07 14:18
iophktoo many in one day dilutes them, I would thinkNov 07 14:19
iophkcan some wait until days you are busy?Nov 07 14:20
schestowitzyesNov 07 14:21
schestowitzbut can't predict when I would be busyNov 07 14:22
iophkokNov 07 14:22
iophkTuxmachines has had a much lower volume, so it might pay to be pickier about which 2 or 3 links are written up there.  Nov 07 14:22
schestowitzit's a communityNov 07 14:32
schestowitzalso a bit of a magnet of searchers who are after old articlesNov 07 14:33
schestowitzsome of which are no longer available on the Web, so TM keeps some snippets...Nov 07 14:33
iophkToo bad whole articles can't be cached.Nov 07 14:33
iophkI bet a lot of stufff from 2003 is gone even though that's only 10 years ago.Nov 07 14:34
iophkTM is from 2005 IIRCNov 07 14:34
iophkhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node?page=3766Nov 07 14:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.tuxmachines.org | tuxmachines.org | Do you waddle the waddle?  [ http://ur1.ca/fzx7g ]Nov 07 14:34
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398451182508978176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398451558167621632   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398451786526523392    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398453065814405120  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398453433130569728  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398455105940627457Nov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Rebuilding Ecuador's economy with open source principles http://t.co/nCcMLKRlpn #Ecuador #sharingNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | Rebuilding Ecuador's economy with open source principles | opensource.comNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bug-Free Linux 4.0? http://t.co/Q4ZEZjCnYn #linux #kernel #programmingNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Bug-Free Linux 4.0? | Linux JournalNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: What’s New In Drupal 8 http://t.co/QScJ7GhkRY #drupal #cms #gplNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.cmsobserver.com | What’s New In Drupal 8 | CMS ObserverNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 2013 Developer Salary Survey http://t.co/qr4U6YJ0DZ http://t.co/41xK82uw1UNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.drdobbs.com | 2013 Developer Salary Survey | Dr Dobb'sNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.drdobbs.com | 2013 Developer Salary Survey | Dr Dobb'sNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Today's Drug War Outrage: Man Dies In Jail Cell After Misdemeanor Pot Offense  http://t.co/h2NB2NA0n7 saw one arrested yesterdayNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Is GNU/Linux right for you?  http://t.co/d5MJWrq4bd #gnu #linuxNov 07 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.itworld.com | Is Linux right for you?  | ITworldNov 07 15:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398456264822652928   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398456560353308672  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398456877044215808    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398458792796770304    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398460228142112768   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398461572093603840Nov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steam For Linux Has Its First Birthday Today! http://t.co/BKdvzxGVEX #steam #gnu #linux #gamesNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.gamingonlinux.com | GamingOnLinux - Voxatron Aims Big For Its 0.3 ReleaseNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Open source robot kit lets you BYO Arduino or Pi http://t.co/Erja7feaTh #arduino #linux #roboticsNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Open source robot kit lets you BYO Arduino or Pi ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: NVIDIA 331.20 Supports New Kernels, NvFBCOpenGL http://t.co/zJr45c8ZHk #linux #nvidia still behind someNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA 331.20 Supports New Kernels, NvFBCOpenGLNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Many Germans in the years before 1933 dismissed the little man with the mustache: He could never take power..." http://t.co/wco4nzPUygNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> rdwolff.com | What GOP-Tea Party Risks With Block of New New Deal | Professor Richard D. WolffNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Chances for a Tizen Smartphone Entry http://t.co/c2H1YmkC3Y #tizen #linux #phoneNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Chances for a Tizen Smartphone Entry | Linux JournalNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Linux-ready box computers with IP40 compliance, anti-vibration support, and extended temperature ranges" http://t.co/J2xqf5hh9vNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Compact box-PCs take Linux to extremes ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 07 15:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398461596856750080   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398462211116777472   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398474153118142464Nov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Hard for GNU/Linux users to give Google (and NSA) their personal data http://t.co/OapsPfAkrgNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Google Drive for Linux? | Linux JournalNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Higher education is not just about producing valuable workers, but about educating people to become thinking" http://t.co/59QY6mIY6bNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | Disrupting education for the better, opinion article by Matt Jadud | opensource.comNov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Always been a bit mystified as to why FOSS people give Google a free pass when it comes to privacy-violating networks http://t.co/1qyWIZzrj0Nov 07 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> webmink.com | Personal URL on Google+ | Wild WebminkNov 07 15:42
schestowitzhttps://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpgNov 07 15:45
schestowitzSome people in the US now equate their government with a foreign occupierNov 07 15:45
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/nexus-5-review-flagship-hardware-for-half-the-price/Nov 07 15:46
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Nexus 5 Review: Flagship hardware for half the price | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fzxh3 ]Nov 07 15:46
Sosumiand gtx 780T displaced the gtx titan, except for double precisionNov 07 15:47
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iophkhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24848907Nov 07 15:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Internet Archive building damaged by fire  [ http://ur1.ca/fzxj2 ]Nov 07 15:58
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398477131124322304  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398479681395372032   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398479957472858113   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398480364467138560Nov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Kyocera completes Japan’s largest offshore solar energy plant in Kagoshima http://t.co/V4J5lqlz7a #japan #energy #lessonNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> japandailypress.com | Kyocera completes Japan’s largest offshore solar energy plant in Kagoshima - The Japan Daily PressNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: EULA https://t.co/lGceJ71ERS #microsoft #lockin #bundling #antichoiceNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Risk of massive #asteroid strike underestimated http://t.co/oCZfEIdCJL while we waste energy fighting one another...Nov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.nature.com | Risk of massive asteroid strike underestimated : Nature News & CommentNov 07 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: If an asteroid was to approach Earth and we used the same pseudo/fictitious/stupid 'science' as in "Armageddon™", we'd be doomedNov 07 16:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398481380604395522  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398482214029361152  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398486003025186816Nov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: In #Egypt "men—mostly from Saudi Arabia—come to buy girls for “pleasure” marriages." http://t.co/XG4dpsD2IONov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.projectcensored.org | Underage Girls Sold into Temporary “Marriages” in Egypt – Validated Independent NewsNov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ralph #Nader on the Washington Post (known for serving #CIA agenda, just like Amazon) becoming Bezos' toy http://t.co/zk2QfcLZ4FNov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.fair.org | An Open Letter to the Washington PostNov 07 16:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Internet Archive building damaged by fire http://t.co/UT8yxHqSWR like burning books, for which there are no copies (like Alexandria)Nov 07 16:27
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398486911867949056  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398487326382649344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398487866021773312Nov 07 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Internet Archive has helped -- among other things -- expose politicians who are pathological liars and hide past writings.Nov 07 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "Former Guantánamo Bay prisoner David Hicks, an Australian citizen, has lodged an appeal with the US Court" https://t.co/gUK2xbVlrlNov 07 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wsws.org | David Hicks seeks to overturn Guantánamo “terrorism” conviction - World Socialist Web SiteNov 07 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Greek police raid occupied and worker-run TV station http://t.co/TPz8zP9bns #greece #freespeechNov 07 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> roarmag.org | Greek police raid occupied and worker-run TV station | ROAR MagazineNov 07 16:37
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schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3261476Nov 07 17:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | Any #Linux users ...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzy0b ]Nov 07 17:36
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3261460Nov 07 17:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | after 1hour 45min...  [ http://ur1.ca/fzy0d ]Nov 07 17:37
schestowitzOnly 1:45? Consider yourself lucky http://www.google.com/custom?q=bt&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=schestowitz.com&client=pub-2479740519054892&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23999999%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A999999%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A999999%3BALC%3A666666%3BLC%3A666666%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A333333%3BGIMP%3A333333%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A50%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.com%2FIMG%2Frslogo.jpg%3BSNov 07 17:38
schestowitz3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.com%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=enNov 07 17:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.google.com | bt - Google Search  [ http://ur1.ca/fzy0j ]Nov 07 17:38
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261319Nov 07 20:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Internet Archive building damaged by fire http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24848907 like burning books, for which there are no copies (like Alexandria)Nov 07 20:23
schestowitz__"Not good."Nov 07 20:24
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Sosumiha bitcoin, when will the bubble burstNov 07 21:02
MinceRis it a bubble?Nov 07 21:02
Sosumiin that way that it has fastly risenNov 07 21:03
MinceRicNov 07 21:03
Sosumiit may come as fast in it's way downNov 07 21:03
MinceRindeedNov 07 21:04
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SosumiI'm still favouring metals and IPNov 07 21:05
MinceRIP in the toilet.Nov 07 21:05
Sosumiso the folks heavily invested in bitcoin should diversyNov 07 21:05
Sosumijust in case it goes downNov 07 21:06
MinceRand so should you :>Nov 07 21:06
SosumiIP is not turdhood filmsNov 07 21:06
SosumiI mean real IPNov 07 21:06
Sosumiin tech stuffNov 07 21:07
iophkUnwilling to hire competent people with salaries and benefits, they try to get by with theatrics and paltry bids that won't beat what the blackmarket will offer for the same exploits:Nov 07 21:07
iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/06/facebook-microsoft-bounties-idUSL2N0IR1X720131106Nov 07 21:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | U.S. rivals team up in offering bounties to secure Internet | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/fzyus ]Nov 07 21:07
MinceRreal imaginary property?Nov 07 21:07
Sosumino, I meant back up companies in tech sector like energy for exampleNov 07 21:08
Sosumiby backing them up, you're in a sense aquiring IPNov 07 21:08
iophkwhat kind of imaginary property?Nov 07 21:09
MinceRno, i'm notNov 07 21:09
Sosumihow not? when you get to seat in the board?Nov 07 21:10
MinceRwhich boards do you have a seat on?Nov 07 21:10
Sosumiboard of directorsNov 07 21:10
MinceRof which company?Nov 07 21:10
Sosumithe one you're up to the neckNov 07 21:11
MinceRthat's neitherNov 07 21:11
Sosumifor example, my gramps sits on the board of PT. Why? Because he's a major stockholder, so he gets to participate in the direction of the companyNov 07 21:12
Sosumiso in a sense, it's his company by a certain %Nov 07 21:13
Sosumithat's what I meant by aquiring IPNov 07 21:14
Sosumiwhich in my POV is corporate raidingNov 07 21:14
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261319Nov 07 21:16
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Internet Archive building damaged by fire http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24848907 like burning books, for which there are no copies (like Alexandria)Nov 07 21:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Internet Archive building damaged by fire  [ http://ur1.ca/fzxj2 ]Nov 07 21:16
schestowitz__"Copyright hides and destroys culture. Copy preserves it."Nov 07 21:16
Sosumicopyright only allows fat cats to sit on stuff instead of letting it flow freelyNov 07 21:21
MinceRit also allows consumers to be cheated out of ownership rightsNov 07 21:23
Sosumiyep, like the DD stores like steam and itunesNov 07 21:24
Sosumilose your account and there went the stuff you "paid to access"Nov 07 21:24
Sosuminot to ownNov 07 21:24
SosumiasideNov 07 21:25
Sosumiosx and the buttplug pro won't be doing 4k at 60HzNov 07 21:26
Sosumiosx sees a 4k display as 2 separate panels, each at 1920x2160Nov 07 21:27
Sosumiand "runs them" at 30HzNov 07 21:27
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398505502331916288  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398551544054157312  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398558026757857280  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398558079052427264Nov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Poverty https://t.co/mPs8t4MkuQNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How to decide if Linux is right for you http://t.co/99gCFtg9kp #gnu #linuxNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> howto.cnet.com | How to decide if Linux is right for you | How To - CNETNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How to write your book using Linux  http://t.co/NtWHUd88ax #gnu #linuxNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | How to write a book using Linux and LibreOffice: The Librarian’s Guide to Academic Research in the Cloud | opensource.comNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: This is Valve's Steam Machine prototype and SteamOS (hands-on) http://t.co/di0qmkBbhl #gnu #linux #steamNov 07 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.engadget.com | This is Valve's Steam Machine prototype and SteamOS (hands-on)Nov 07 21:27
MinceRlolNov 07 21:28
Sosumion winblows it all worksNov 07 21:28
Sosumican't say for rhel/fedora since no one testedNov 07 21:28
Sosumiho and I meant work as single display @60HzNov 07 21:29
Sosumialso, it'll be hilarious when a top of the line 2009 or 2010 mac pro equiped with flashed gtx 780 beats the buttplug in opencl, opengl benchmarksNov 07 21:30
Sosumiwhile still offering the CUDA optionNov 07 21:31
schestowitz__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX_TVMp4rDENov 07 21:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Lou Reed Live in Paris 1974 (I) - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fzyyg ]Nov 07 21:31
schestowitz__lolNov 07 21:31
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer Regarding the NRA comment. The Republicans are repeatedly trying to change the law to protect rapists. I wonder how they'd feel about gun control if women did start shooting the rapists.Nov 08 00:10
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Do you think this would be worth buying or not? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/80-rikomagic-arm-based-ubuntu-mini-pc-starts-shippingNov 08 00:12
TechrightsBot-trwww.omgubuntu.co.uk | £80 Rikomagic ARM-Based Ubuntu Mini-PC Starts Shipping | OMG! Ubuntu!  [ http://ur1.ca/fzzlz ]Nov 08 00:12
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared The Walking Dead's photo.Nov 08 00:18
DaemonFC2 minutes agoNov 08 00:18
DaemonFCMy comment: "Using your cable provider login". In other words, to access content on your website, you must first prove that you subscribe to a legacy service. This is like an online newspaper making people prove that they have a dead tree delivered to their door each morning. You're welcome to join the 21st century any time now, AMC.Nov 08 00:18
DaemonFCRyan FarmerNov 08 00:18
DaemonFCa few seconds agoNov 08 00:18
DaemonFCThe Pirate Bay really delivers a great public service. They remove Digital Restrictions Malware and don't make you prove you subscribe to cable. **** Comcast. **** them in their stupid faces. I hope they all get **** and **** rot and die a horrible death. They're the biggest ****ing pirates I've ever seen.Nov 08 00:18
DaemonFCI don't know why more people don't say Digital Restrictions Malware.Nov 08 00:21
DaemonFCI've seen a few people call it Digital Restrictions Management, but I don't really think that goes far enough.Nov 08 00:22
DaemonFCIt is software that users don't want which wastes the computer's resources, cripples their devices, and steals the user's rights and freedoms.Nov 08 00:22
DaemonFCCall it what it is.Nov 08 00:22
DaemonFCThere's a guy on this personals website that messaged me.Nov 08 00:59
DaemonFCHe says he's a devoted fundamentalist Christian that is "working out his sexuality with godly fear an trembling".Nov 08 00:59
DaemonFCOh great. There's just what I need in my life.Nov 08 01:00
DaemonFCI wake up every day. Something is missing. I have found what I was looking for.Nov 08 01:00
DaemonFC:PNov 08 01:00
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/01micko/status/398600244390162432Nov 08 06:13
TechrightsBot-tr@01micko: @schestowitz 14.1 stable is now released #SlackwareNov 08 06:13
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261259Nov 08 06:17
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Risk of massive #asteroid strike underestimated http://www.nature.com/news/risk-of-massive-asteroid-strike-underestimated-1.14114 while we waste energy fighting one another...Nov 08 06:17
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.nature.com | Risk of massive asteroid strike underestimated : Nature News & Comment  [ http://ur1.ca/g00su ]Nov 08 06:17
schestowitz__"Wait ... so are you saying that we can't trust Bruce Wills ?? oo wait wait he died on the move .. we are really doomed ;)""Nov 08 06:17
schestowitz__"7 Hiroshima's worth ... and to think that on the same day, all the space-attention was focused on the other side of the planet for a known near-miss. The near-miss was actually bigger, it would have been a civilization-ender if it hit anything."Nov 08 06:18
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260781Nov 08 06:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The oppressors at #apple prepare to help crush protests http://boingboing.net/2012/08/30/apple-granted-patent-for-locat.htmlNov 08 06:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> boingboing.net | Apple granted patent for location-based camera phone disabling - Boing Boing  [ http://ur1.ca/a2qrh ]Nov 08 06:20
schestowitz__Good. Now the other camera phones won't disable video, because that would require a license from Apple."77"Nov 08 06:20
schestowitz__I heard this joke before...Nov 08 06:20
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J62JQ3yBXdsNov 08 06:45
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Carl Sagan's Cosmos, edited for Rednecks - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g00w5 ]Nov 08 06:45
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3263687Nov 08 06:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "You pay in cash??? What are you, some kind of terrorist or something?"Nov 08 06:48
schestowitz__……Or something.""Nov 08 06:48
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260856Nov 08 06:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "McDonald's happy image and its golden arches aren't the gateway to bliss in Bolivia.' http://www.foodmatters.tv/articles-1/a-whole-nation-rejects-mcdonaldsNov 08 06:50
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schestowitz__"That would be because the major shareholders of McDonalds also hold major shares in the mainstream media outlets. I'm sure you're shocked."Nov 08 06:50
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schestowitz__"Awesome."Nov 08 06:50
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261193Nov 08 06:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Always been a bit mystified as to why FOSS people give Google a free pass when it comes to privacy-violating networks http://webmink.com/2013/11/05/personal-url-on-google/Nov 08 06:51
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schestowitz__"Simple. They've been bought without even realizing it. Usually for the cost of a bit of Summer of Code, and the open parts of Android (shrinking daily)."Nov 08 06:51
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3260102Nov 08 06:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: anger release machine...Nov 08 06:52
schestowitz__"Also great for Greek weddings..."Nov 08 06:52
DaemonFChttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/im-app-trillian-launches-linux-betaNov 08 07:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.omgubuntu.co.uk | Trillian for Linux Hits Beta, Boasts Tight Ubuntu Integration  [ http://ur1.ca/g00z7 ]Nov 08 07:08
DaemonFCThey forgot to mention why anyone would want it.Nov 08 07:08
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398696721116823552  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398694495564623872Nov 08 08:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "You pay in cash??? What are you, some kind of terrorist or something?"Nov 08 08:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Got an E-mail from NatWest promoting the new program for tracking your shopping even when you pay in cash.Nov 08 08:26
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398730103410405376Nov 08 08:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Sea Shepherd activist Paul watson faces US court after year on the run  http://t.co/7ANtrixEJp #activism #law #corporatismNov 08 08:40
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/Nov 08 09:29
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ]Nov 08 09:29
iophkmaking more friendsNov 08 09:29
iophk"zero day" is just a marketing term for holes that the vendor can't be bothered to fixNov 08 09:33
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/exploits-of-critical-microsoft-zero-day-more-widespread-than-thought/Nov 08 09:33
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Exploits of critical Microsoft zero day more widespread than thought | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g01wh ]Nov 08 09:33
iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/2013/11/canonical-sends-takedown-notice-eff-staffer-criticizes-privacy-ubuntu/15648Nov 08 09:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Canonical Sends takedown notice to EFF staffer who criticizes Privacy of Ubuntu | Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/g01x0 ]Nov 08 09:38
iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/11/swartz-foia-november/Nov 08 09:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz's 'Depression Problems' | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g01zp ]Nov 08 09:51
iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/07/tim-berners-lee-nsaNov 08 09:54
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iophkhttp://www.diceholdingsinc.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=211152&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1869460&highlight=Nov 08 10:40
iophk" Slashdot Media contributed $3.7 million to revenues in the third quarter of 2013, as compared to $0.8 million in the same period a year ago"Nov 08 10:40
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iophkIsn't this also just the same data they are getting from social media and e-mail logging?Nov 08 12:30
iophkhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/us/cia-is-said-to-pay-att-for-call-data.html?hp&_r=1&Nov 08 12:30
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/Nov 08 15:07
Sosumimoronical and mark shutleWORMNov 08 15:08
Sosumihttp://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11Nov 08 15:09
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Sosumimicro$haft are like the mafia, they don't do anything good but they earn their money by leeching from others workNov 08 15:11
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Sosumibuttplug pro powered by unicornsNov 08 17:41
Sosumihttp://i.imgur.com/urfnyzY.jpgNov 08 17:41
Sosumiand that's about the magical 450W psu that it hasNov 08 17:41
Sosumiand that is incapable of providing enough juice for two crippled fire pro w9000 and 8 core cpu on the max configNov 08 17:42
Sosumihum, maybe it should feature on adventure time as an unicorn buttjet engineNov 08 17:44
Sosumialso, tested fedora 19 with secure boot and it works until it doesn'tNov 08 17:45
Sosumiasus on it's latest 2 firmware patches has managed to fix efi boot for gnu/linuxNov 08 17:45
Sosumiand it's no longer necessary to reinstall grub for the option to boot to "X" distro do re-appearNov 08 17:46
Sosuminow it shows "EFI OS" and it'll update itself automatically once booting back in the OSNov 08 17:47
Sosumiso kudos to asus for making it easier for folks to show the finger to the manNov 08 17:47
__martin__Sosumi: do all the recent chromebooks use coreboot stack?Nov 08 17:49
SosumiI've never seen a chromebook to begin withNov 08 17:49
Sosumibut no I have no ideaNov 08 17:50
Sosumibut this is poortugal, micro$cheiße land, they don't sell anything of that here,Nov 08 17:52
Sosumioutside the pc lineups, all you have is a mac cornerNov 08 17:52
Sosuminothing moreNov 08 17:52
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sebsebseb1 2 3 iophkNov 08 18:37
iophk3 2 1 sebsebsebNov 08 18:37
sebsebsebiophk: what should I propse for the eventNov 08 18:39
sebsebsebwith the Keep It Simple principal in mindNov 08 18:39
iophkWhat's the current status?Nov 08 18:39
sebsebsebiophk: I can  do more than one proposals toNov 08 18:39
iophk You had sent some mails.Nov 08 18:39
sebsebsebcurrent status well waiting for more proposalsNov 08 18:39
sebsebsebto do the demonstratios, an promotions speches, and voting, at next meetingNov 08 18:39
sebsebsebiophk: oh and  I can probably have a prope rremaster made by the guy who makes the offical ISO'sNov 08 18:40
sebsebsebaltough now got a proper re mastering pag on the Mageia wiki as well :)Nov 08 18:40
sebsebsebiophk: a old similar guide to what I used,  more commands, bene up dated a little to alredy etcNov 08 18:40
sebsebsebno Jitsi in Maiega's repo's though,  not had a vounteer yetNov 08 18:40
iophkThat's an improvement, though there are still good reasons to stick with the stock images.Nov 08 18:40
sebsebsebthe guy who makes the remster might do it though I Think hmmNov 08 18:40
sebsebsebiophk: yes, but they won't stick with the stock imagesNov 08 18:40
sebsebsebit's remasters and that's thatNov 08 18:41
iophkWasted effort / resourcesNov 08 18:41
sebsebsebiophk: I did a idea in a meai where I had everything coverdNov 08 18:41
sebsebseball de's ad interfacesNov 08 18:41
sebsebseb,but guy who wants Mint a lot didn't agree etcNov 08 18:41
sebsebseb,but there's a document I can add in proper proposals inNov 08 18:41
sebsebsebiophk: well it's a demonstaiton fest now real not an install festNov 08 18:41
sebsebsebso the idea is to be able to show stuff they can runNov 08 18:42
iophkok then there is no need for remasters there eitherNov 08 18:42
iophksince nothing is getting installedNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebthey wll boot up from a USBNov 08 18:42
sebsebseba remastred USBNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebmaybe install from it toNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebiophk: remasters is what was decided, I can't change thatNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebthat's how it isNov 08 18:42
sebsebsebremastered USB's to be exactNov 08 18:42
iophkwhat's next VMs?Nov 08 18:43
iophk:PNov 08 18:43
sebsebsebnope no vm'sNov 08 18:43
sebsebsebjust re mstersNov 08 18:43
sebsebsebremasterd USB'sNov 08 18:43
iophkHow many demo machines are you looking at so far?Nov 08 18:43
sebsebsebnot sure we have to decide that maybe to I don't knjow qiteNov 08 18:44
sebsebsebit's a vote on how many distros and what interffacesNov 08 18:44
iophkWhere is the demo equipment coming from?Nov 08 18:44
iophkI'd still say 2 distros.Nov 08 18:44
iophkfor the same reasons as before.Nov 08 18:44
iophkWhich apps will be shown off?Nov 08 18:44
sebsebsebiophk: well I think Mint is inNov 08 18:45
sebsebsebevent co ordinater wants  Min with Cinnamon and Open Suse for KDENov 08 18:45
iophkSuse is M$Nov 08 18:45
sebsebsebiophk: so really its distrowars between   Mageia and Open SuseNov 08 18:45
sebsebsebit seems too meNov 08 18:45
sebsebsebUbuntu will be voted out I expect, since  most of them don't like UnityNov 08 18:45
iophkToo bad.Nov 08 18:46
iophkI'm not a fan of it either but it deserves to be shown.Nov 08 18:46
sebsebsebit's looking too me like a Mint and Open Suse eventNov 08 18:46
sebsebsebunless I can win them over to MageiaNov 08 18:46
iophkI hope you succeedNov 08 18:46
sebsebsebiophk: I think Ubuntu shuld be an optoin toNov 08 18:46
sebsebseb,butNov 08 18:46
sebsebsebmost of them are Cinnamon fan boys it seemsNov 08 18:46
sebsebseband so they like MintNov 08 18:46
sebsebsebor whatever it isNov 08 18:46
iophkIsn't cinnamon on Mageia?Nov 08 18:47
sebsebsebyes, but not in a live mediaNov 08 18:47
sebsebsebMageia 4 will have in repo'sNov 08 18:47
iophkBut you're not doing live, you're working with demo machines?Nov 08 18:47
sebsebsebbothNov 08 18:47
sebsebsebto show people stuff on demo machines, but then also give them what they think they want on remastered USB/sNov 08 18:47
sebsebsebwith the addiotnal appsNov 08 18:47
sebsebseband upates already installed to the creaiton of itNov 08 18:47
sebsebsebiophk: it feesl strange to me not to have Ubuntu, on the other hand the times have changd a bit, the Unity dislikers etcNov 08 18:48
sebsebsebit's 2013Nov 08 18:48
sebsebsebCinnmaon and Mate  exist now to Nov 08 18:48
iophkXFCE should be on the listNov 08 18:49
sebsebsebi suggestd XFCE in something, but itns' so simpleNov 08 18:49
sebsebsebit seems in generaNov 08 18:49
sebsebsebthey don't want loads of distro's or interfacesNov 08 18:49
iophkThen just Mageia with the DEs that have been selected. Nov 08 18:50
iophkI suspect there is more agreement over the DEs so those should be chosen nextNov 08 18:50
sebsebsebiophk: yep maybe that's what I should proposeNov 08 18:50
sebsebsebiophk: Mint for CinnamonNov 08 18:50
sebsebsebMagiea for KDE and GNOMENov 08 18:50
sebsebsebor uhNov 08 18:50
sebsebsebiophk: to be honest the older guys propsal is a bit hmm as wlelNov 08 18:51
sebsebsebon the documentNov 08 18:51
sebsebsebwhat does he want exactly hmm Nov 08 18:51
__martin__now this is LOL; M$ makes out of Android/Linux license ransom scheme 2mld $ annualy and compensating lossy XboxesNov 08 18:51
iophkXFCE should be popular with recovering Windows users, especially XPNov 08 18:51
sebsebsebiophk: I'll do a pastebin of two thingsNov 08 18:51
sebsebseband show youNov 08 18:51
sebsebsebhold onNov 08 18:51
sebsebsebiophk: well  XFCE can gt used in MINT TONov 08 18:52
sebsebsebMin and Mageia?Nov 08 18:52
iophkAgain, how many demo machines can you get?Nov 08 18:52
sebsebseband Open SUse for the cut down OS, whateer he wnated to makeNov 08 18:52
iophkMint and Mageia would be a good compromise maybe.Nov 08 18:52
sebsebsebiophk: I think at least four will come from a Linux compayNov 08 18:52
sebsebsebprobably  more like around six or so thoughNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebthey got some old lap tops they will lend us for the demo machinesNov 08 18:53
iophkProbably a good idea to settle the number of machines, tooNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebiophk: older guy thinks Mint nad Open Suse at the omentNov 08 18:53
iophkThat determines what you can demo.Nov 08 18:53
iophkWhere does he have doubts about Mageia?Nov 08 18:53
sebsebsebiophk: I think he's bee very influenced by the Open Suse guy as wlelNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebiophk: he hasn't even seen Mageia prperly yetNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebto be honestNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebas far a I knowNov 08 18:53
sebsebsebsince  Haen't shown him anything properly yet,  snce I coudnt' just remaster before etcNov 08 18:54
sebsebsebiophk: he's seen Open Suse remaster with KDE and suchNov 08 18:54
iophkOk that sounds like a priority if they are so fixated on remasters.Nov 08 18:54
iophkInsisting on remasters might have been their way of gaming the results of the choice.Nov 08 18:55
sebsebsebanother ide hta'ts been going around is the possibly of haing like three distor's,  Mint for Cinnamon for example,  KDE in Open Suse, GNOME in something elseNov 08 18:55
sebsebsebiophk: also the MInt guy is still in USANov 08 18:55
sebsebsebso won't be at the next meetingNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebso it's four peple doing voting hmmNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebiophk: I suggested bringing someone in from outside ot make things ore fairNov 08 18:56
iophkyesNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebhe   was  like , no I odn't see the point in thatNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebto make the number un evenNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebiophk: he was also like I'll make the casting vote, I was like no I disagreeNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebso later he's like ,  ok we can decide on who makes the casting voteNov 08 18:56
sebsebsebiophk: he also said in a previous recnetish email, that two of us are going to get upset and that's how it is, that's basically he saidNov 08 18:57
sebsebsebI think it's  hm and the Open Suse guy  vs well me and the guy who wanted UbuntuNov 08 18:57
sebsebsebin generalNov 08 18:57
sebsebsebiophk: and I can already see that both Mageia and Ubuntu are probably outNov 08 18:57
sebsebsebunless I can win them over at that meeting some howNov 08 18:57
iophkwork on them before the meeting, too, individuallyNov 08 18:58
sebsebseband  also  importnatly the OS's need to be 3 not 2Nov 08 18:58
sebsebsebwe need to choose on 3 OS's ideally not 2Nov 08 18:58
sebsebsebotherwise Magie and Ubuntu are out for sure probablyNov 08 18:58
sebsebsebiophk: nope I meet them in person net time at the meeting later this monthNov 08 18:58
iophkwhat about correspondence via e-mailNov 08 18:58
iophk?Nov 08 18:58
sebsebsebiophk: really the guy who wanted Ununtu doens't care that muchw hat distros are used really, but in general he thinks ore like meNov 08 18:59
sebsebsebiophk: I saidsomething to him to do with the vote in a email, but got no replyNov 08 18:59
sebsebsebI don't think he cares that much realy as I just putNov 08 18:59
sebsebsebiophk: I made it clear I was aainst the voteNov 08 19:00
sebsebseb,Nov 08 19:00
sebsebsebiophk: ,but it seems it's th way things will go if I a m agianst or notNov 08 19:00
sebsebsebjust got to go along with it nowNov 08 19:00
sebsebsebiophk: I realy didn't like the idea of this whole got a demonstration, and then five minutes to promote the iea, speeche'sNov 08 19:00
SosumiStephen Elop, after crashing Nokia to the ground (baby!) is now positioned as one of the candidates for M$ CEONov 08 19:00
sebsebsebit's just made things distro wars reallyNov 08 19:00
iophkGet them to decide on DEs first.  But you also need to know the number of machines.Nov 08 19:00
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/a-nuance-on-the-burning-platforms-memo-nokia-board-and-nokia-chairman-reprimanded-elop-for-that-mist.htmlNov 08 19:01
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: A Nuance on the Burning Platforms Memo - Nokia Board and Nokia Chairman Reprimanded Elop For That Mistake  [ http://ur1.ca/g046k ]Nov 08 19:01
SosumiBING and xbox to be axedNov 08 19:01
iophkSosumi: JO came down on Elop before he did the 'Burning plaftorm' memoNov 08 19:01
SosumiJO?Nov 08 19:01
sebsebsebSosumi: oh Microsoft are going to stop selling Xbox?Nov 08 19:02
sebsebsebapparnatly they didn't realy make a profit from Xbox anywaylNov 08 19:02
Sosuminop they didn'tNov 08 19:02
Sosumiboth paul allen and ellop want to kill thatNov 08 19:02
sebsebsebiophk: yeah  that's a ointNov 08 19:02
sebsebsebiophk: decide on DE's firstNov 08 19:02
sebsebsebiophk: and we need to know how many demo computers will be thereNov 08 19:03
iophkIt will aslo give you more time do decide on a distro.Nov 08 19:03
Sosumiand actually, it's like I told a couple weeks ago, M$ removed all the microsoft branding out of the xboxNov 08 19:03
iophkYes.  You can't demo 5 DEs if there are 4 machinesNov 08 19:03
sebsebsebiophk: trueNov 08 19:03
Sosumitheir boxes are just green blobs and nothing moreNov 08 19:03
iophkSosumi: M$ branding is a liability.Nov 08 19:03
SosumiyepNov 08 19:03
sebsebsebiophk: I guess I can email them all sayingNov 08 19:03
sebsebsebwe need to know how many demonostration machines there wil beNov 08 19:04
Sosumithat's why they removed itNov 08 19:04
sebsebsebbefore we can make certian choices realy such as what de's and distro'sNov 08 19:04
sebsebsebiophk: it's not goo d eough being told that some company wil provide some computers how anyNov 08 19:04
sebsebsebdo you think that's how I shold do it?Nov 08 19:04
iophkA few key apps ought to be decided too.  They can be on each of the demo machines.Nov 08 19:04
sebsebsebiophk: oh been doing the standard apps thing or pretyt much areadyNov 08 19:05
sebsebsebthe addiotal stuffNov 08 19:05
sebsebsebThunerbird etcNov 08 19:05
sebsebsebJitsiNov 08 19:05
sebsebsebetcNov 08 19:05
iophkokNov 08 19:05
sebsebsebiophk: so you think I should emai finding out oabout how many dedmonostraiotn coputers there will be etc?Nov 08 19:05
sebsebsebtrying to find outNov 08 19:06
iophkyes, that's more important than the distrosNov 08 19:06
sebsebsebyeah trueNov 08 19:06
sebsebsebthen can make decisiosn based on thatNov 08 19:06
sebsebsebas to what distros' and de'sNov 08 19:06
sebsebsebiophk: Importnat how many  demonotration coputer will we haveNov 08 19:07
sebsebsebthinking of a email subject :DNov 08 19:07
sebsebseband how to word that messageNov 08 19:07
sebsebsebonce we know that we can make realstic deisiosn as to what distro's  to have ad interfaces to show.Nov 08 19:07
sebsebsebiophk: maybe we have all gotton a head of our selves  by trying to decide on what de's and interfaces to have, before even knowing for sure how  many emonostriaot pc's there will beNov 08 19:09
sebsebsebiophk: thinking about what I coul say in emai now ^Nov 08 19:09
iophkgtgNov 08 19:12
sebsebsebiophk: ok thanks for your help :)Nov 08 19:12
sebsebsebiophk: bye for now thenNov 08 19:13
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398899406910783488  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398892242171338752   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398887151552978944    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398883572423360512   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398879873105932289Nov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Bezos-Owned Washington Post No Longer Has Ombudsman, Revolving Doors Plague the FCC Again  http://t.co/FHrtGjoRIL #bezos #washpoNov 08 19:52
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Crisis Capitalism: #BillGates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures http://t.co/JUAMjUqtsGNov 08 19:52
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell http://t.co/fbtYCgCWeg #ubuntu #canonicalNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell | TechrightsNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://t.co/NSc2MmUEdO #ubuntu #canonical #privacyNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars TechnicaNov 08 19:52
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398873564495216641  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398867447258054656   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398863202647543808  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398855343180382208Nov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? http://t.co/Fy4iCkrr4h #gnu #linuxNov 08 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? | TechrightsNov 08 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 17,000 Posts, 7 Years of Techrights, and Imminent Expansion http://t.co/yTo6vRihhr #techrightsNov 08 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | 17,000 Posts, 7 Years of Techrights, and Imminent Expansion | TechrightsNov 08 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux http://t.co/VBK0B78bje #linux #swpats #microsoftNov 08 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux | TechrightsNov 08 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Mandriva Still a Desktop Powerhouse http://t.co/vSZ3dSDF9F  #mandriva #gnu #linuxNov 08 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Mandriva Still a Desktop Powerhouse | TechrightsNov 08 19:53
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sebsebsebschestowitz__: ok nice Mandriva articleNov 08 20:08
sebsebsebschestowitz__: Mandriva itself is dead as a distributer, but the distro lives on in other wyas yeah, the dervativiesNov 08 20:08
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schestowitz__[10:40] <iophk> " Slashdot Media contributed $3.7 million to revenues in the third quarter of 2013, as compared to $0.8 million in the same period a year ago"Nov 08 20:15
schestowitz__how? PR?Nov 08 20:15
schestowitz__Microsoft ads from MS Nick?Nov 08 20:15
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398904120222154752  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905293674782720  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905468690505728   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905757178937344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398905871310131200  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398906766865358848   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398907257380823040Nov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Susan will stick around in Tux Machines http://t.co/QkFmEnSeE6 good newsNov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tuxmachines.org | This is "See Ya Around" | tuxmachines.orgNov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Taxpayers pay to be spied on http://t.co/V4UBjid77j and #amazon (with #washpo owner) helps it happen. #ciaNov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York TimesNov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: So it seems like I was right about companies in losses getting subsidised as expense of national debt for national 'interest'Nov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How much in subsidies at taxpayers expense (debt) does #Microsoft get to hand over people's private data and comms? Microsoft ran a loss.Nov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Black budgets are still where trillions of dollars come to disappear, with no oversight at all.Nov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Tim Berners-Lee calls for international protections for corporations (DRM)... oh, and  whistleblowers http://t.co/qmqQ0TWIlCNov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.co.uk | Tim Berners-Lee calls for international protections for whistleblowers (Wired UK)Nov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: After Harassing Swartz, Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz’s ‘Depression Problems’ http://t.co/Bv3qeqsc83 killing him softlyNov 08 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.com | Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz's 'Depression Problems' | Threat Level | Wired.comNov 08 20:26
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265341Nov 08 20:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mandriva Still a Desktop PowerhouseNov 08 20:36
schestowitz"Nov 08 20:37
schestowitz@Robin the Boy Wonder, I tried it few months ago.Nov 08 20:37
schestowitzI didn't saw any advantage at all, just a boring distribution with little repositories and very ugly MATE customisation.Nov 08 20:37
schestowitz"Nov 08 20:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3263687Nov 08 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "You pay in cash??? What are you, some kind of terrorist or something?"Nov 08 20:37
schestowitz|no, but banks track were you purchase"Nov 08 20:37
schestowitzOnly if you pay with card..Nov 08 20:37
schestowitz@Robin the Boy Wonder, unusable :-/.Nov 08 20:42
schestowitzBut actually I didn't try neither ROSA/Mandriva neither Mageia but did try PCLinuxOS.Nov 08 20:42
schestowitzReply or view Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)'s post >Nov 08 20:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265341Nov 08 20:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636Nov 08 20:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacyNov 08 20:42
schestowitzJust batting a thousand, aren't we, Canonical? Makes me sick."77"Nov 08 20:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261197Nov 08 20:43
TechrightsBot-tr@darth_azrael@diasp.org: And this was the reason for the #2ndAmendmentNov 08 20:43
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by darth_azrael@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpgNov 08 20:43
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by darth_azrael@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpgNov 08 20:43
schestowitz"The issue isn't whether the government in question is a foreign occupier or not, the issue is whether or not they are violating your rights. Up until 1776, the British government was not a 'foreign' one anyway. The revolution is what made them so."Nov 08 20:43
schestowitzUsing the same logic, Gandhi rose up against him own government and India was part of Britain rather than occupied.Nov 08 20:44
schestowitz*hisNov 08 20:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398912712731676673 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/398912845594636289Nov 08 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Today in bank, guard diverted me from teller to machine. I told him, you make tellers redundant. He said it was "good for customers". [1/2]Nov 08 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: If guards at shops or banks insist you use a machine and not personal service, tell them: your job could be next in the chopping line [2/2]Nov 08 20:45
__martin__first mukt article that sounds like a bad jokeNov 08 20:47
__martin__http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/marvel-creating-superhero-packed-original-series-netflix/15680Nov 08 20:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.muktware.com | Marvel creating Superhero-Packed Original Series for Netflix | Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/g04le ]Nov 08 20:47
schestowitzJust passing the tuxmachines domain right now..Nov 08 20:56
schestowitz"Nov 08 20:56
schestowitzHi,Nov 08 20:56
schestowitzI very recently bought a domain name. This domain name is set to expire in June 2014, which is when I will renew it. This domain is currently with godaddy and it's now unlocked, with a code I was given to allow passing it to you or any other domain handler. How much will it cost to transfer to catalyst2 and and will it require no further payments until it expires in June 2014? The nameservers will need to be altered at a later date.Nov 08 20:56
schestowitz"Nov 08 20:56
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3263687Nov 08 21:00
schestowitz"exactly... what I meant was that I don't need to be a terrorist to pay with cash..."Nov 08 21:00
schestowitzWhy do you not want me to enter your home and use your computer? Are you some kind of paedophile? :-)Nov 08 21:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266132Nov 08 21:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today in bank, guard diverted me from teller to machine. I told him, you make tellers redundant. He said it was "good for customers". [1/2]Nov 08 21:04
schestowitz"its good for anyone who profits from future transactions between machine and person when things do not quite go as you want. Either the machine withholds your card ......... or the machine refuses to give you your money out. Just thinking back to Cyprus - when the machines would only allow a percentage of peoples money back to them ...... which is similar in so many instances now - when you want to get all of your money back from a Nov 08 21:04
schestowitzbank .......... can you out of a machine ? or do they set a limit ....... Who's money is it ........ ?"Nov 08 21:04
schestowitzFor your own protection of course! The withdrawal limits which were meant to protect you 'from thieves' did not protect you from really big thieves (bankers) in Cyprus.Nov 08 21:05
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lirodonyou heard about how the evil Dice.com is violating the trust of SourceForge users?Nov 08 21:12
MinceRthe owners of source being untrustworthy isn't newNov 08 21:14
MinceRthey've changed names so often it's like they're some m$ subsidiaryNov 08 21:15
MinceRs/source/&forge/Nov 08 21:15
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MinceRhttp://devnull-as-a-service.com/Nov 08 23:06
TechrightsBot-trdevnull-as-a-service.com | HomeNov 08 23:06
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DaemonFChttp://sploid.gizmodo.com/russias-national-police-singing-get-lucky-is-hilario-1460832077Nov 09 00:03
TechrightsBot-trsploid.gizmodo.com | Russia's National Police singing Daft Punk's Get Lucky is hilarious  [ http://ur1.ca/g058q ]Nov 09 00:03
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schestowitzlirodon: how?Nov 09 01:04
schestowitzI saw they made more money from ./Nov 09 01:04
schestowitzads and spying perhapsNov 09 01:04
lirodonWell, firstly those stupid "wrapped" installers with borderline malwareNov 09 01:04
schestowitzah, that...Nov 09 01:05
lirodonand their support of those stupid "guess the download button" ads. GIMP's Windows builds got moved in-house http://www.itworld.com/open-source/382088/was-gimp-right-leave-sourceforgeNov 09 01:05
schestowitzany links?Nov 09 01:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.itworld.com | Was the GIMP right to leave SourceForge? | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/g05ek ]Nov 09 01:05
lirodon*moved to in-house hosting (which is a good idea to begin with)Nov 09 01:05
schestowitztaNov 09 01:05
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 09 01:09
DaemonFCI thought that California was supposed to be a liberal state?Nov 09 01:10
DaemonFCIf that's the case, then why is the LARD showing up in riot gear to arrest people for exercising their first amendment right to speak about Walmart's poverty-level wages?Nov 09 01:10
DaemonFC:)Nov 09 01:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DavieChiro/status/398923551580778498Nov 09 01:13
TechrightsBot-tr@DavieChiro: @schestowitz You need to maintain a large balance..that only the bank can use. #BankofAmericaNov 09 01:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DavieChiro/status/398924135734079488Nov 09 01:13
TechrightsBot-tr@DavieChiro: @schestowitz lol. then *roll eyes*Nov 09 01:13
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 09 01:18
DaemonFCThese damned cigarette companies keep sending me coupons. They track how long it has been since you've used any. If it's been within a month, they send you $1 off a pack coupons. If it's been between 1-2 months, they send $1.50 off a pack. If it's been longer than that, they start sending buy one pack, get one free. I can't say that the temptation to start smoking again isn't there, but I've been more or less free of them since March. I do Nov 09 01:18
DaemonFCagree that it's a difficult addiction to fight.Nov 09 01:18
DaemonFCMom has gone crazy and started going to a fundamentalist Christian church. She started blaming _everything_ on demons. Now she's claiming I'm possessed by a demon of nicotine.Nov 09 01:19
DaemonFCDoes it bother anyone else that a person with a nursing degree can have opinions like this?Nov 09 01:19
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266132Nov 09 01:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today in bank, guard diverted me from teller to machine. I told him, you make tellers redundant. He said it was "good for customers". [1/2]Nov 09 01:21
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SO-RPx9IRcNov 09 01:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | How to Deal With City Hall - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g05gj ]Nov 09 01:21
schestowitz"This really made me laugh, why bother doing over a cash machine, its worthless iou's anyway, bullion is different, would have been better if they emptied the sewage in the foyer LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_fHzHRXn4 'Nov 09 01:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | CCTV shows sewage lorry ram raid on cash machine - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g05gp ]Nov 09 01:21
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266135Nov 09 01:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If guards at shops or banks insist you use a machine and not personal service, tell them: your job could be next in the chopping line [2/2]Nov 09 01:22
schestowitz"Actually, I usually prefer yo use machine, but I was always bit withdrawn - human contact is usually hard, painful and unnecessary, lol. Naaah, j/k ;)"Nov 09 01:22
schestowitzThis request wasn't a simple one, account-to-account transfer... plus withdrawal.Nov 09 01:22
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3266065Nov 09 01:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: After Harassing Swartz, Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz’s ‘Depression Problems’ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/11/swartz-foia-november/ killing him softlyNov 09 01:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.com | Secret Service Report Noted Aaron Swartz's 'Depression Problems' | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g01zp ]Nov 09 01:28
schestowitz"Well, well ... no shit, Sherlocks ... everyone would eventually get depressed when charged with ludicrous crap and forced to defend himself. Come on, people, come on ..."Nov 09 01:28
schestowitzThey drove his whole family into needing to remortgage their house to pay legal bills, said Lessig. So they used collective punishment. Many articles overlook this.Nov 09 01:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265829Nov 09 01:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Crisis Capitalism: #BillGates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/education-oligarchs/Nov 09 01:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Crisis Capitalism: Bill Gates and Other ‘Education Oligarchs’ Turn Schools Into their Private, For-Profit Ventures | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05hb ]Nov 09 01:29
schestowitz"It's very sad. Such people should never be allowed to spread the virus of closed-source thinking in an education sector, where everything should be clear and open."Nov 09 01:29
schestowitz"Gates is a small part of whats wrong, what we should be asking ourselves is come the revolution, would we step up and do the right thing."Nov 09 01:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265565Nov 09 01:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/solusos/ #gnu #linuxNov 09 01:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05he ]Nov 09 01:30
schestowitz"Wow, you reminded me about SolusOS ... used to be a nice distro, but it looks like it's dying, eh? money, money, money ..."Nov 09 01:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265441Nov 09 01:31
schestowitzIt's making a lot more than it deserves: http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11 "Nov 09 01:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/fud-campaign-analysts/ #linux #swpats #microsoftNov 09 01:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05hk ]Nov 09 01:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessinsider.com | Microsoft Earns $2 Billion Per Year From Android Patent Royalties - Business Insider  [ http://ur1.ca/g038h ]Nov 09 01:31
schestowitzit's FUD  http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/fud-campaign-analysts/Nov 09 01:32
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265699Nov 09 03:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Free Internet is Dying, and Not Just Due to DRMNov 09 03:52
schestowitz"I was sad to see Tim Berners-Lee endorse DRM in HTML5."Nov 09 03:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Free Internet is Dying, and Not Just Due to DRM | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g05gs ]Nov 09 03:52
schestowitz"Nov 09 03:55
schestowitzI have told Rianne to use this E-mail because your yahoo account, like bellsouth, is now rejecting her messages.Nov 09 03:55
schestowitzI hate services that just liberally block anything they don't like; they care not at all about communications, it's not part of their business model.Nov 09 03:55
schestowitz"Nov 09 03:55
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3262558Nov 09 05:15
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: How to write your book using Linux http://opensource.com/life/13/11/how-write-book-with-linuxNov 09 05:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | How to write a book using Linux and LibreOffice: The Librarian’s Guide to Academic Research in the Cloud | opensource.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g0650 ]Nov 09 05:15
schestowitz"Yeah, he's using Open Source in a way someone does who was addicted to M$ for years. I commented another post of him and refered to tools like Sphinx. http://www.hasecke.eu/Members/juh/sphinx-a-tool-for-self-publisher"Nov 09 05:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.hasecke.eu | Sphinx: A productivity tool for self publisher — hasecke.eu  [ http://ur1.ca/cya53 ]Nov 09 05:15
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl8w-cMqNfINov 09 05:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Conan The Destroyer - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g06ad ]Nov 09 05:37
Snowleaksange3.5 hrs till first game of chess world champsNov 09 05:50
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P08B_lBUL0ENov 09 10:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Russian police — Get lucky - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g0798 ]Nov 09 10:34
DaemonFChttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/08/comedian-mitch-benn-on-the-link-between-conservatism-and-low-intelligence/Nov 09 11:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.rawstory.com | Comedian Mitch Benn on the link between conservatism and low intelligence | The Raw Story  [ http://ur1.ca/g07dm ]Nov 09 11:04
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schestowitztuxmachines is being migrated nowNov 09 12:11
schestowitzthe domain firstyNov 09 12:11
schestowitz"Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> I'm about to start the transfer, and I will immediately add theNov 09 12:11
schestowitz> nameservers you provided so that when it switches over it will beNov 09 12:11
schestowitz> pointing to the same location. This should result in no loss of serviceNov 09 12:11
schestowitz> for you.Nov 09 12:11
schestowitz> Nov 09 12:12
schestowitz> Is it okay for me to proceed with this?Nov 09 12:12
schestowitz> Nov 09 12:12
schestowitz> Kind Regards,Nov 09 12:12
schestowitz> ConnorNov 09 12:12
schestowitzOf course. Thanks for keeping me updated.Nov 09 12:12
schestowitz""Nov 09 12:12
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtkNov 09 12:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Klendathu Drop - Starship Troopers Soundtrack - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g07r9 ]Nov 09 12:18
DaemonFCQuote of the day:Nov 09 12:28
DaemonFCJarrett Terrill: "Craigslist is probably the worst place you could try to find a date... unless you're looking for a 60 year-old man in women's underwear who wants to be pissed on... LOL"Nov 09 12:29
DaemonFChttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Accuses-Criticizing-Website-of-Trademark-Infringement-398261.shtmlNov 09 12:36
TechrightsBot-trnews.softpedia.com | Canonical Accuses Criticizing Website of Trademark Infringement  [ http://ur1.ca/g07uj ]Nov 09 12:36
DaemonFCKDE 4.11.3 seems to work fine.Nov 09 12:39
DaemonFCI haven't experienced any bugs so far.Nov 09 12:39
DaemonFCIt is a long term support release, so it should get a lot of updates. (Two years)Nov 09 12:39
DaemonFCI don't know why they declared that for 4.11 and then decided to release a 4.12.Nov 09 12:39
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DaemonFCShouldn't the last major release of the KDE 4 series be the LTS?Nov 09 12:40
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Sosumione of my dumbass teachers forced us into using a docx filled with all sort of macros to submit a couple of relatoriesNov 09 13:59
Sosumiwhich don't translate that well into libreofficeNov 09 14:00
Sosumiso yeah, I'm loving itNov 09 14:00
Sosumibtw, it's also the same guy who forced us (I didn't bend over) into using facebook for course coordinationNov 09 14:02
SosumiI actually think, in a matter of speaking, that they only forced students into facebook in order to snoop on themNov 09 14:06
Sosumisince I've caught another teacher saying the those "likes" on the course page and subsquest interaction provided a nice stream of cashNov 09 14:08
Sosumiso they're probably the info gathered for sociological studies type studies and alikes as well for the effects of publicityNov 09 14:09
Sosumidid I mention that they log all internet activity associated with the student ID?Nov 09 14:10
SosumiI actually got called to attention to stop using a VPN while using the university wifi networkNov 09 14:10
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XFaCEschestowitz: "In 2009, Jane Silber became the CEO of Canonical in 2009. Canonical makes Ubuntu.Nov 09 14:44
XFaCEJane Silber's previous job was at that military contractor, namely the C4 Division of General Dynamics. It turns out that at the C4 Systems division is all about using computers for spying."Nov 09 14:44
XFaCEschestowitz: I think you wrote about this beforeNov 09 14:44
XFaCEhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131107/17583725174/disappointing-to-see-canonical-act-like-trademark-bully-over-ubuntu.shtml#c83Nov 09 14:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.techdirt.com | Disappointing To See Canonical Act Like A Trademark Bully Over Ubuntu | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g08c7 ]Nov 09 14:44
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/sony-adds-some-freebies-to-ps4-launch-packages/Nov 09 14:59
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Sony adds some freebies to PS4 launch packages | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g08e8 ]Nov 09 14:59
Sosuminow you see why the PS4 doesn't support cd and mp3 playbackNov 09 14:59
Sosumi"music unlimited" and "streaming"Nov 09 15:00
Sosumizee powa of zee cloudNov 09 15:00
Sosumior how we strip you out of ownershipNov 09 15:01
Sosumior how we infected your PCs with dumb drmNov 09 15:01
Sosumisony, lawlNov 09 15:01
Sosumilinux and osx could circunvent that without lifting a finger anywaysNov 09 15:02
Sosumithe cd would show up as two, one part containing data and another containing music filesNov 09 15:03
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Sosuminvidia cutting support for 32bit linuxNov 09 15:25
Sosumiand Iran nuclear deal will certainly failNov 09 15:25
Sosumibecause of israhell, as usualNov 09 15:25
Sosumibut actuallyNov 09 15:25
SosumiUS should defend and Syria from Israel, shooting down Israeli airplanes, missiles, etcNov 09 15:26
Sosumikind of a like a reverse USS LibertyNov 09 15:26
Sosumiand then when the time is right, pit Iran against china and russia by cutting energy corridorsNov 09 15:28
Sosumikind of like a venician type operation of letting others fight for youNov 09 15:28
Sosumithat'd be an intelligent way to fulfill the PNAC planNov 09 15:29
Sosumi*typo, it's venitianNov 09 15:30
Sosumi**venetian :)Nov 09 15:30
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iophkOIN can't actually do anything about patent trolls.Nov 09 16:18
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/4-ways-open-source-protects-you-against-software-patents-230433Nov 09 16:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | 4 ways open source protects you against software patents | Open Source Software - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g08r2 ]Nov 09 16:18
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iophkhttp://opensource.com/life/13/11/dave-crossland-history-future-open-source-fontsNov 09 16:44
TechrightsBot-tropensource.com | Open source and free software fonts, interview with Dave Crossland | opensource.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g08v2 ]Nov 09 16:44
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/dutch-cyber-security-centre-linux-suitable-businessesNov 09 16:45
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | Dutch cyber security centre: Linux suitable for businesses | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/g08vc ]Nov 09 16:45
iophk"On 30 October, the centre, part of the Ministry of Security and Justice,  published a 'Factsheet' urging users of this aged system to switch"Nov 09 16:45
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sebsebsebiophk: Guess what I plan too do today, quite soon in factNov 09 18:08
iophk?Nov 09 18:08
iophkdemo Mageia?Nov 09 18:08
sebsebsebiophk: uh what noNov 09 18:12
sebsebsebI use MageiaNov 09 18:12
sebsebsebso why woud I demo it?Nov 09 18:12
iophkFor other people to see it and decide to use it.Nov 09 18:12
sebsebsebiophk: no that meeting is  not untill 19thNov 09 18:16
sebsebsebiophk: got to get Mageia 4 BEta 1 out firt to, then the guy who makes the proper ISOs' will make me remasters it seesNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebMaeia 4 Beta 1 currently being delayed, since they are sorting out installer bugs and such early this this time round, or maybe not so much early, but whe nit should be done realyNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebas in before an RCNov 09 18:17
iophkcool that he's helpingNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebthere's a Beta 2 yet as wlelNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebiophk: no voluntere for jitsi thoughNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebnot  on the ailing list anyway,  not sure if he wants to packae that so hmmNov 09 18:17
sebsebsebiophk: semes the remsaterng wiki page is good now anyway, but sure may as wel have him doing it  I guessNov 09 18:18
sebsebsebjust need to tell hm what I Want in the ISO's and suchNov 09 18:18
sebsebsebiophk: so what a m I thinking of doing?Nov 09 18:19
iophk?525ebbe79e56fcb476a3f254706dbe54cc0c38265f0e31edcb8086debf1a22Nov 09 18:19
sebsebsebhmmNov 09 18:21
sebsebsebiophk: to check for a correct md5sum or sha1sum?Nov 09 18:21
sebsebsebuhmm sureNov 09 18:21
sebsebsebthat's part of it reallyNov 09 18:21
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sebsebsebiophk: so what is it?Nov 09 18:21
iophksha256Nov 09 18:21
sebsebsebyeah might be checkin for that toNov 09 18:21
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sebsebsebsince  just going to test somethingNov 09 18:21
sebsebsebdon't really need to do such checks as such, but may as wellNov 09 18:22
sebsebsebtest what? and in what?Nov 09 18:22
iophkmake sure it is wholeNov 09 18:22
sebsebsebmake sure wat is whole?Nov 09 18:22
iophkwhat ever you are working onNov 09 18:22
sebsebsebschestowitz wil love eNov 09 18:22
sebsebsebmeNov 09 18:22
sebsebseb!Nov 09 18:22
sebsebsebI am going to test out properly Open Suse in Virtualbox that's my plan!Nov 09 18:23
iophkWaste of time...Nov 09 18:23
sebsebsebeven put on my Open Suse t-shirt from FOSDEM 2012 earlier,  with this in  mindNov 09 18:23
sebsebsebiophk: no it's notNov 09 18:23
sebsebsebiophk: remember I have to tell them why Mageia would be better than Open SseNov 09 18:23
sebsebsebor so it seemsNov 09 18:23
iophkI seeNov 09 18:23
iophkhttp://techrights.org/category/opensuse/Nov 09 18:23
sebsebsebso if I test out Open Suse properly out in Virtualbox,  I can see if there's anything that  would make it more of a winnerNov 09 18:23
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | OpenSUSE | TechrightsNov 09 18:23
sebsebseband the whole Microsoft link and all thatNov 09 18:24
sebsebsebwll be irelivent for this by the wayNov 09 18:24
iophkThere are some other good links from the developers that left Novell in protest.Nov 09 18:24
iophkThey sum up that aspect.Nov 09 18:24
sebsebsebI don't think they wil care about stuff like thatNov 09 18:24
sebsebsebmost of themNov 09 18:24
sebsebsebthey just want a good distro and de for people going from WIndowsNov 09 18:25
iophkfreedom is a good thing.Nov 09 18:25
sebsebsebthey do't care about the moral stuff and history stuf I don't think much for this eventNov 09 18:25
iophkThere's also the money stuff.Nov 09 18:25
iophkPatents cost when the owners decide to collect.Nov 09 18:25
iophkThere's no time limit they have to beat.Nov 09 18:26
iophkLook at what happened with GIF, among others.Nov 09 18:26
sebsebsebI don't think they will care about thatNov 09 18:26
sebsebsebthey just want distro's that are good fo joe and jane averageNov 09 18:26
iophkThe Novell stuff is worse, since there is a paper trail of payments already.Nov 09 18:26
sebsebsebiophk: I don't think they care that maybe not really meant to pre install SKype into the  re master as wellNov 09 18:26
sebsebseband Flash for that matterNov 09 18:26
iophkIf Jitsi is not possible, you could try Linphone  Nov 09 18:27
iophkI think schestowitz has experience with that one.Nov 09 18:27
sebsebsebiophk: if he gets the votes for making the thing for old computers or whatever it wasNov 09 18:27
MinceRsuse is crap, always wasNov 09 18:27
sebsebsebiophk: I think he will make smething baed on Open UseNov 09 18:28
sebsebsebMinceR: right well you  go tell these event peole that isn't good and why  hmmNov 09 18:28
sebsebsebMageia is out for Open SuseNov 09 18:28
MinceRalso, joe and jane average can be sued, and the people providing them with updates can also be suedNov 09 18:28
sebsebsebunless I can win them overNov 09 18:28
iophkYes that is a point, with the patents, the end users are on the hook for the payments, if the owner decides to collect.Nov 09 18:28
sebsebsebMinceR: you think Skype and such shodun't be pre installed?Nov 09 18:28
MinceRi think skype should never be installedNov 09 18:29
sebsebsebiophk: no patents in UK as far as I knowNov 09 18:29
MinceRthe only argument for skype ever was people failing to configure their routers properlyNov 09 18:29
sebsebsebMinceR: you think Flash should be installed?Nov 09 18:29
iophkOr in the EU, but there are companies that still pay anywayNov 09 18:29
MinceRTrash could be handy, but it's best quarantined to a browser profile of its ownNov 09 18:29
sebsebsebiophk: I think still not really meant to put Flash and Skype into a remaster though,  alotugh I guess remasters are a bbit diffenret to the actsual distro'sNov 09 18:30
MinceRso you don't get background audio from every random tab and it doesn't get to eat your cpuNov 09 18:30
sebsebsebiophk: ,but hte distros them seles aren't allowed to provide Skype or Flash from the repo's,  they can provide a packae that directly downloads from Skype  or Adobe thoughNov 09 18:30
MinceRalso, trash cookies could endanger your privacyNov 09 18:30
sebsebsebiophk: thing is no Youtube working etc,  Average Joe and Jane will think Linux sucksNov 09 18:30
iophkPutting them on a remaster might be dodgy tooNov 09 18:30
MinceRalso, i have a trash killer scriptNov 09 18:30
sebsebsebiophk: yep that's what I meanNov 09 18:30
iophkYoutube works fine with the flash to html pluginNov 09 18:31
iophkin FirefoxNov 09 18:31
MinceRaverage joe and jane weren't it experts before, either :>Nov 09 18:31
sebsebsebiophk: they use more than just Youtube though avverage pepleNov 09 18:31
sebsebsebMinceR: what's that?Nov 09 18:31
MinceRalso, trash videos work better on my GNU/Linux tablet pc with an intel gpu than they do on winblowsNov 09 18:31
MinceRsebsebseb: what's what?Nov 09 18:31
sebsebsebwhat you just putNov 09 18:31
iophkhttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/Nov 09 18:31
TechrightsBot-traddons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox  [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ]Nov 09 18:31
iophkWorks for meNov 09 18:31
MinceRsebsebseb: where?Nov 09 18:31
sebsebseb[18:30] <MinceR> average joe and jane weren't it experts before, either :>Nov 09 18:32
MinceRyou said they thought linux suckedNov 09 18:32
sebsebsebI didn't understandNov 09 18:32
MinceRi wouldn't ask them for IT adviceNov 09 18:32
sebsebsebMinceR: they will if Flash and such doesn't just worNov 09 18:32
sebsebsebMinceR: organisng an eent aimed at Average Joe and JaneNov 09 18:32
sebsebsebto try and get them intereted in Linux etcNov 09 18:33
MinceRthen again, if they enjoy being interrupted every 5 minutes with pointless crap, they can use winblowsNov 09 18:33
MinceRor write a script that throws up random pointless popups that steal focus :>Nov 09 18:33
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-09/bitcoin-touches-400-senate-starts-asking-questions-does-fedNov 09 18:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | As BitCoin Touches $400 The Senate Starts Seeking Answers... As Does The Fed | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g09ca ]Nov 09 18:33
iophkYes, security is an advantage of Linux.  If you install Flash, you defeat a lot of that advantage.Nov 09 18:33
MinceRlast time i plugged a winblows laptop into a docking station, i spend about 2 hours clicking through driver installsNov 09 18:33
MinceRit installed everything at least twiceNov 09 18:33
MinceR(most of them unnecessarily, like standard usb hubs and HIDs)Nov 09 18:34
MinceRs/spend/spent/Nov 09 18:34
MinceRoh, and it gave me a popup that it would like to reboot every hourNov 09 18:34
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MinceRat least there are free implementations for Trash and none of them need communication with random hosts in closed protocolsNov 09 18:52
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iophksebsebseb: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061221081000710Nov 09 19:24
TechrightsBot-trwww.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Jeremy Allison Has Resigned from Novell  to Protest  MS Patent Deal  [ http://ur1.ca/ffk3u ]Nov 09 19:24
iophkjust in caseNov 09 19:24
iophkYou can probably disqualify it on technical merits too.Nov 09 19:24
sebsebsebiophk: I don't knowNov 09 19:25
sebsebsebiophk: yast is a control centre type thingNov 09 19:25
sebsebsebas wellNov 09 19:25
sebsebsebiophk: I think Magiea 4 will get a later KDE point relase thoughNov 09 19:25
sebsebsebsince when version freeze is and suchNov 09 19:25
sebsebsebso for a later KDE  Magiea has the later oneNov 09 19:26
sebsebsebiophk: Open Suse 13.1 in 9 daysNov 09 19:26
sebsebsebI am going to give development a try in VirtualboxNov 09 19:26
iophkyum is going away, starting with Fedora, but probably spreading to other distros over timeNov 09 19:26
iophkhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ2MzENov 09 19:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] DNF Package Manager Yum-Replacement Moves Ahead  [ http://ur1.ca/g09nd ]Nov 09 19:26
sebsebsebiophk: I said yast not yumNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebnot sure what the command is to install stuff for OPen SUseNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebiophk: control centre is also getting a GNOME replacementNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebupstreamNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebI meanNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebsoftware centreNov 09 19:27
sebsebsebiophk: I have a feeling it might end up being something like this,  Mint for Cinnamon,  Open Suse, for KDENov 09 19:28
sebsebsebiophk: Mageia for GNOME 3 GNOME ShellNov 09 19:28
iophkGnome is over.Nov 09 19:28
sebsebsebit seems it isn't so simple to just win both  KDE and GNOMENov 09 19:28
sebsebsebfor this eventNov 09 19:28
iophkKDE on Mageia would be best if you can pull it off.Nov 09 19:28
sebsebsebiophk: I think lookswise it might ook nicer hte background in Open SuseNov 09 19:28
sebsebseb,but no idea what the background will be for Mageia 4 yetNov 09 19:29
sebsebsebiophk: he's used Suse for iek 10 yars or soNov 09 19:29
iophkWhy not set your own background image?Nov 09 19:29
sebsebsebhe seems techicalNov 09 19:29
sebsebsebhe's won the event co ordinater over already it seemsNov 09 19:29
iophk:(Nov 09 19:29
sebsebseband not sure how others will vote etcNov 09 19:29
sebsebsebiophk: I think Mageia may get voted out as I kept on saying thoughNov 09 19:29
sebsebsebunless I can win them over on the 19th hmmNov 09 19:30
iophkIt seems stupid to vote, that seems like politicsNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebindeedNov 09 19:30
sebsebseband everyone is baiesd to their own thingNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebwhat they think they watNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebevent co ordinater wants Mint really as well he's mad that clear all alongNov 09 19:30
iophkHow did it go to bring up deciding on the DEs first?Nov 09 19:30
sebsebsebthe guy who wants mInt wants mint etcNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebiophk: nearly sent a email suggesting that, but no Nov 09 19:30
sebsebsebit won't relay workNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebiophk: it's the vote now and that's itNov 09 19:30
sebsebsebcan't do a email voteNov 09 19:31
sebsebsebthingNov 09 19:31
sebsebsebon iterfaces first, seems it won't workNov 09 19:31
sebsebsebiophk: what they want to do is have a distro, and put a interface with itNov 09 19:31
sebsebsebor have a interface and put a distro with itNov 09 19:31
sebsebsebseems one distro may get used per choosen interface as wellNov 09 19:31
sebsebsebiophk: I may lose KDE to OPen Suse, but I may be able to win GNOME 3  GNOME Shell for MageiaNov 09 19:31
iophkmaybe start your own event?Nov 09 19:32
sebsebsebto late nowNov 09 19:32
sebsebsebwho wil join me?Nov 09 19:32
iophkothers not in this eventNov 09 19:32
iophkit's not going to be an installfest now anywayNov 09 19:32
sebsebsebiophk: maybe I can win some people over at my speakers group to Mageia etc ovver time :)Nov 09 19:32
iophkif you run an installfest, you can make a plan and then shop that plan around to people that are willing to participate in *that* planNov 09 19:33
sebsebsebalready showed  someone whenever it was etcNov 09 19:33
sebsebsebiophk: the indea of doing loads of installs is out since only got six hours for the eventNov 09 19:33
sebsebsebidea aboveNov 09 19:33
sebsebsebiophk: maybe in a way going from Windows to Open Suse, is a bit like going from Microsoft to Microsoft, well going by you guys anyway that is, but I guess still better than running WIndows itselfNov 09 19:34
sebsebsebI mean it's still a Linux distribution with  KDE and GNOME and what notNov 09 19:34
iophkit's a least desirable pathNov 09 19:34
sebsebsebhmm?Nov 09 19:34
iophkWhy always mentioning GNOME, it's gone.Nov 09 19:34
sebsebsebno it's notNov 09 19:35
sebsebsebI prefer GNOMENov 09 19:35
sebsebsebGNOME  Shell is my choosen interfaceNov 09 19:35
iophkPeople have moved to Cinnamon, Mate and XFCENov 09 19:35
sebsebseband yes even in Mageia a distro that is seen as rather well KDE fousseddistroNov 09 19:35
sebsebsebKDE by defauet etcNov 09 19:35
iophkKDE should be showcasedNov 09 19:35
sebsebsebhowever I am using raqor qt quite a lot on this lap top more recently, since major slowness issues here and there on this netbook with GNOMENov 09 19:36
iophkIMHO also XFCE and UnityNov 09 19:36
sebsebsebiophk: Unity is out probbably a wlel as I already saidNov 09 19:36
sebsebseband his custom  thing for old computers if he gets his way, I guess will be something Open Suse basd with XFCE or whateverNov 09 19:36
iophkMint is just a copy of Ubuntu without Mint.  Better to stay upstream.Nov 09 19:36
iophkAlways stay upstream when possible.Nov 09 19:36
sebsebsebMint is just Ubuntu really yeah I knowNov 09 19:36
sebsebsebwith the except of Cinnamon as interfaceNov 09 19:37
sebsebsebnd Mate and a few toolsNov 09 19:37
sebsebsebiophk: realy it's like we got Ubuntu twiceNov 09 19:37
sebsebsebexcept some differneces when it comes to interface and that's about itNov 09 19:37
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iophk75 yearsNov 09 20:04
iophkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KristallnachtNov 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Kristallnacht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/g04t6 ]Nov 09 20:04
iophkhttp://phys.org/news/2013-11-open-source-lens-microscope.htmlNov 09 20:06
TechrightsBot-trphys.org | Open-source through the lens of a microscope  [ http://ur1.ca/g09x5 ]Nov 09 20:06
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SosumiAMD puts an bandaid on the r290Nov 09 21:13
Sosumibut that does nothing with the binningsNov 09 21:13
Sosumiso far review units > saphire builds > asus buildsNov 09 21:14

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