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DaemonFCshared The Other 98%'s photo.Dec 08 00:25
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DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/p480x480/1456122_719784261365888_822891867_n.jpgDec 08 00:25
DaemonFCActually, thanks to people like me, the polar ice caps will be around a little longer, and global heating is slowed down somewhat. Since we don't have children that are adding to the greenhouse gas problem, your children and grandchildren may live long enough to find a solution to the problem.Dec 08 00:25
DaemonFCYou're welcome.Dec 08 00:25
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MinceRgnDec 08 01:44
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cubezzzI guess the Microsoft FAT Patent has expired now?Dec 08 02:34
Sosumicarbon emissions are hardly a problemDec 08 03:03
Sosumisine they may at least contribute 1% to the overall global warmingDec 08 03:03
Sosumiand anyways, the planet wont last foreverDec 08 03:04
Sosumiso just make it last long enough till we can spread our seed across the multiverseDec 08 03:05
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3382778Dec 08 07:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When Apple and Microsoft speak of security they mean national security i.e. back doorsDec 08 07:29
schestowitz__"yeah, Federal security, and continuity of government."Dec 08 07:29
schestowitz__"and money for Microsoft"Dec 08 07:29
schestowitz__"Implying that Apple isn't all about money?"Dec 08 07:29
schestowitz__"Not at all, Termy. Most software ownership is all about money and "security" to them means a continued revenue. Apple is just as nasty as Microsoft, but I had Microsoft on my mind from their recent, empty promises of privacy and security through another layer of encryption."Dec 08 07:30
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3382771Dec 08 07:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FBI infects computers http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2013/12/06/352ba174-5397-11e3-9e2c-e1d01116fd98_story_2.htmlDec 08 07:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.washingtonpost.com | FBI’s search for ‘Mo,’ suspect in bomb threats, highlights use of malware for surveillance - The Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/g5meo ]Dec 08 07:30
schestowitz__"As in some traditional searches, subjects typically are notified only after evidence is gathered from their property. That's not traditional at all. It's a violation of the fourth amendment that has been allowed in very narrow circumstances like airports and national borders. What ass wrote that piece of propaganda?"Dec 08 07:30
schestowitz__"Dec 08 07:31
schestowitz__The coverage of this intrusion is remarkably different from the usual news of "hacking". When someone is on trial for breaking into a corporate site, we hear complaints of how much it will cost to undo the damage done. The complaint is justified because systems really should be rebuilt when they are violated and cant' be trusted. In the case of Jeremy Hammond, the judge explicitly rejected Hammond's reasoning Dec 08 07:31
schestowitz__that he broke in to expose a criminal. Here, when the FBI does the same thing indiscriminately to anyone who visits a web page we are told that it's all about fighting crime and that it must be done more now than ever. That's what happens when you make a story "fair" by balancing what you think with what the FBI tells you.Dec 08 07:31
schestowitz__Even more remarkable is the unspoken degree of trust we are supposed to have of our computers as they are. What I read does not even consider the fact that non free software always gives software owners the power to spy. Corporate media won't tell you this because it's mostly owned and funded by people who own your software. Shame on the Washington Post.Dec 08 07:31
schestowitz__"Dec 08 07:31
schestowitz__Wall Street Journal defends the FBi turning the Android devices into listening devices (remotely) to "listen to criminals". The hypocrisy says it all really. The government engages in crime under the premise of "against terror"; next, against activism, protest, etc.Dec 08 07:32
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3383429Dec 08 07:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I still remember the days when #mandrake was the leading desktop distribution and I fondly remember using #mandriva full time. #gnu #linuxDec 08 07:33
schestowitz__"Which OS do you use today?"Dec 08 07:33
schestowitz__"<--- Mageia It's Mandriva, really."Dec 08 07:33
schestowitz__I use Cauldron repos, however. Main repos are too safe."Dec 08 07:33
schestowitz__"I use distro that could be called "a rightful heir" of Mandriva, forked from it over a decade ago now and awesome as ever, #PCLinuxOS!'Dec 08 07:33
schestowitz__"Ubuntu! :)"Dec 08 07:33
schestowitz__Debian and Kubuntu hereDec 08 07:34
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3382751Dec 08 07:34
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A friend of mine from Afghanistan has just told me that he supports drone strikes as they target 'leaders'. Did not know 1 in 49 is leader.Dec 08 07:34
schestowitz__"How does this compare to the numbers of collateral damage for manned bomber flights?"Dec 08 07:34
schestowitz__Hard to tell, but for bombers you need to declare war; the drones are a loophole and they were kept secret by CIA. Illegal.Dec 08 07:35
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schestowitz__"Leader-seeking missiles? And if a child was hit, well then that child must have been a leader."Dec 08 07:35
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3383429Dec 08 10:55
schestowitz__"Using Ubuntu but I think Linux Mint Debian Edition is a great alternative."Dec 08 10:55
schestowitz__"lmde rulz!"Dec 08 10:55
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schestowitz__http://glossynews.com/top-stories/politicos-and-polticians/201312080137/kris-kringle-appointed-head-of-nsa/Dec 08 11:18
TechrightsBot-trglossynews.com | Kris Kringle Appointed Head of NSA | GlossyNews.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g5swq ]Dec 08 11:18
schestowitz__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zotYU21qcUDec 08 12:32
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Chris Hedges "Brace Yourself! The American Empire Is Over & The Descent Is Going To Be Horrifying!" - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g5t5m ]Dec 08 12:32
MinceRgeekingsDec 08 13:28
schestowitz__https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.support.thunderbird/HC5FaeceUa8Dec 08 14:06
TechrightsBot-trgroups.google.com | Grupos de Google  [ http://ur1.ca/g5thw ]Dec 08 14:06
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Levenax/status/409687501624733696Dec 08 14:19
TechrightsBot-tr@Levenax: @schestowitz @robintcox Er, Mandela was imprisoned. Assange is in embassy 'cos he wants to be. Courts have decided so he should abide by lawDec 08 14:19
schestowitz__Assange does not want to be in the embassy, just as Snowden does not want to be in RussiaDec 08 14:20
iophkhttp://tech.yandex.ru/events/yagosti/ruBSD/Dec 08 14:28
TechrightsBot-trtech.yandex.ru | ruBSD 2013 — Яндекс.События — мероприятия Яндекса  [ http://ur1.ca/g5tki ]Dec 08 14:28
iophkhttp://www.nycbsdcon.org/2014/cfp.htmlDec 08 14:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.nycbsdcon.org | NYCBSDCon 2014Dec 08 14:29
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3385223Dec 08 15:14
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "America’s libraries have been vulnerable to government intrusion ever since the passing of the Patriot Act" http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/americas-public-libraries-take-on-the-nsa-131207?news=851853Dec 08 15:14
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.allgov.com | Top Stories - America’s Public Libraries take on the NSA - AllGov - News  [ http://ur1.ca/g5tp3 ]Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EDGIDec 08 15:14
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | EDGI - Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/0ku76 ]Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__http://www.ala.org/pla/advocacy/edgeDec 08 15:14
TechrightsBot-trCouldn't resolve host 'www.ala.org' ( status 0 @ http://www.ala.org/pla/advocacy/edge )Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__http://search.ala.org/search?q=gates+foundation&op=Search&output=xml&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&client=ALA_DIVISION&num=10&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&site=default_collection&proxyreload=1&proxystylesheet=ALA_DIVISIONDec 08 15:14
TechrightsBot-trCouldn't resolve host 'search.ala.org' ( status 0 @ http://search.ala.org/search?q=gates+foundation&op=Search&output=xml&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&client=ALA_DIVISION&num=10&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&site=default_collection&proxyreload=1&proxystylesheet=ALA_DIVISION )Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__"Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__ut oh, it's Bill Gates. I had not thought of Gates' fake charity as a vehicle for NSA spying before ... the perverse creativity of Gates evil mind continues to astonish me. Honest people just don't think this way.Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__The American Library Association (ALA), a group not known as a lobbying powerhouse in Washington, received a $1 million grant last month from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to advocate more on behalf of its members.Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__Watch for them to pay lip service to Microsoft, which is one of the worst things anyone can do for privacy. Whatever is true of NSA spying about libraries is also true about Microsoft Windows because Microsoft cooperates fully with the NSA. Even if they did not, Windows is non free software and always has the power to spy. As it is, the software comes with an EULA that grants Microsoft dubious legal rights to Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__spy on users and sell the results to partners. The connections and intentions could not be more clear at this point. No human rights advocate should use non free software.Dec 08 15:15
schestowitz__The ALA should have rejected the money. If nothing else, this gift creates an illusion of Microsoft as a privacy and rights advocate. That's evil enough. We would hope librarians are well read enough to know this and would make the terms of the agreement clear.Dec 08 15:15
schestowitz__Ick, Gates has been trickling millions of dollars to the ALA for every few years for a long time. In the first page of results, I see that Gates has also written the rules and benchmark of technology effectiveness for public libraries, a disturbingly named "Edge" program for anyone who remembers Microsoft anti-Linux program called EDGI. It's funny that for all that, the ALA uses a Google search appliance.Dec 08 15:15
schestowitz__Gates has used his foundation to strategically dump Microsoft Windows onto libraries for more than a decade.. Unlike most real charities, there was no grant process for determining need, the foundation decided who would get gifts of non free software and computers. Like other NSA programs, the gifts came with a gag order and other strings. Libraries were forced to sign a NDA about the exact terms and were not Dec 08 15:15
schestowitz__allowed to install other software onto the computers for as long as they had them.Dec 08 15:15
schestowitz__"Dec 08 15:15
Sosumicharities and companies can be always be front groups for intelligence and military industrial complexDec 08 15:37
Sosumifoundations and think tank groups tooDec 08 15:37
Sosumithings like the royal institute for international affairs and its sister organization council on foreign relationsDec 08 15:41
Sosumior the tavistock instituteDec 08 15:42
schestowitz__"Dec 08 15:49
schestowitz__There are other reasons to reject Microsoft money and technology. As a supporter of exploitative publishing and digital restrictions, Microsoft's guidance probably spells doom for more fair publication like this. You can't have free libraries with digital restrictions.Dec 08 15:50
schestowitz__As an ALEC member, Microsoft takes with the left hand what the right hand gives. ALEC works hard to strip state budgets of useful social services. I have not seen them take a stand against libraries like this idiot from Louisiana did but ALEC is a big supporter of privatized prisons that funnel public money to private hands at the expense of everything else.Dec 08 15:50
schestowitz__"Dec 08 15:50
schestowitz__http://www.classwarfareexists.com/louisiana-official-wants-to-close-libraries-because-theyre-teaching-mexicans-to-speak-english/Dec 08 15:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.classwarfareexists.com | Louisiana Official Wants To Close Libraries Because “They’re Teaching Mexicans To Speak English.” ‹ I Acknowledge Class Warfare Exists  [ http://ur1.ca/g5tua ]Dec 08 15:50
schestowitz__http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120903/19185920260/libraries-go-direct-to-indie-authors-rather-than-deal-with-big-publisher-ebook-limits.shtmlDec 08 15:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.techdirt.com | Libraries Go Direct To Indie Authors, Rather Than Deal With Big Publisher Ebook Limits | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/a5z23 ]Dec 08 15:50
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3385211Dec 08 16:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Connecting the Dots between #Microsoft Backdoors, #NSA #Corruption and the Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme http://www.opednews.com/articles/Connecting-the-Dots-betwee-by-David-Spring-Spying-131206-522.htmlDec 08 16:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.opednews.com | Article: Connecting the Dots between Microsoft Backdoors, NSA Corruption and the Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme | OpEdNews  [ http://ur1.ca/g5sfx ]Dec 08 16:08
schestowitz__"This is an interesting article but the author does not seem to understand that Windows itself makes any computer running it part of a Microsoft botnet and that non free software always comes with that power. He writes about various malware attacks and Microsoft collusion with the NSA without realizing that additional malware is simply redundant and may only exist because the NSA does not trust Microsoft."Dec 08 16:08
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3386284Dec 08 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FBI can secretly turn on laptop cameras without the indicator light  http://gizmodo.com/fbi-can-secretly-activate-laptop-cameras-without-the-in-1478371370 in case you didn't know...Dec 08 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr-> gizmodo.com | FBI can secretly turn on laptop cameras without the indicator light  [ http://ur1.ca/g5p1r ]Dec 08 16:09
schestowitz__"Hope they like videos of the back of a piece of electrical tape."Dec 08 16:09
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3386150Dec 08 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux Journal Readers’ Choice Awards: Ubuntu Weak, Unity Shunned http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/12/06/linux-journal-readers-choice-awards-ubuntu-weak-unity-shunned/ #ubuntu #linux #unityDec 08 16:09
schestowitz__"congrats... one of the GNU/Linux evangelists"Dec 08 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr-> scienceblogs.com | Linux Journal Readers’ Choice Awards: Ubuntu Weak, Unity Shunned – Greg Laden's Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g5twh ]Dec 08 16:09
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Sosumiand how could I forgetDec 08 18:17
SosumiIn-Q-TelDec 08 18:18
SosumiCIA's tech financing frontDec 08 18:18
Sosumihttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/additional-publications/in-q-telDec 08 18:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.cia.gov | In-Q-Tel — Central Intelligence Agency  [ http://ur1.ca/g5u9l ]Dec 08 18:18
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-08/bitcoin-derivatives-market-has-arrivedDec 08 18:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | The Bitcoin Derivatives Market Has Arrived | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g5ua6 ]Dec 08 18:27
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3386284Dec 08 19:03
schestowitz__"Dec 08 19:06
schestowitz__To put it in perspective, even if you cover the camera, the microphone gives police all sorts of power. Think of the lengths the FBI had to go to when they bugged MLK so they could send audio recordings of someone having sex in his room to his wife. Who wants all their whoo-haa noises recorded and played back to them like that?Dec 08 19:06
schestowitz__It's getting worse than 1984. Orwell only imagined people being able to afford one bug in their house that Winston could avoid. If all the devices in your house have this power, you won't be able to hide anywhere. It's already against the law in the US to mod devices by "jail breaking" them. How long will it be before disabling the Xbox camera is against some new copyright law and installing free software on Dec 08 19:06
schestowitz__any computer is also forbidden?Dec 08 19:06
schestowitz__"Dec 08 19:06
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Sosumihttp://podcasts.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/microsoft-exec-hints-separate-windows-release-trains-consumers-business-232299Dec 09 00:11
TechrightsBot-trpodcasts.infoworld.com | Microsoft exec hints at separate Windows release trains for consumers, business | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g5vdl ]Dec 09 00:11
Sosumidumping metro would be enoughDec 09 00:12
Sosumibut who cares, here M$ have a nitroglicerin boxDec 09 00:13
Sosumiand trow it to the ground with all strength you haveDec 09 00:13
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DaemonFC2 minutes ago · EditedDec 09 04:47
DaemonFCI picked up some kind of free Lassus discount card that said 7 cents per gallon discount on gas. Then I noticed that you have to go online and give them your bank account routing number.Dec 09 04:47
DaemonFCMy cash back credit card gives me 1.5% on everything. Gas is $3.35 a gallon right now. That's 5 cents per gallon back, and I don't have to give them my bank account number.Dec 09 04:47
DaemonFCSo, giving them my routing number means that:Dec 09 04:47
DaemonFC1. I get another 40 cent off, per tank of gas (2 cents per gallon * 20 gallon tank)... Woohoo.Dec 09 04:47
DaemonFC2. If the card falls out of my wallet, anyone can gas up their car, and it comes out of my checking account, and I have no fraud protection like my credit card gives me.Dec 09 04:47
DaemonFC3. If their server is cracked, then the thieves get my bank account routing number and can take as much money out of my bank account as they like, and....no fraud protection.Dec 09 04:47
DaemonFCIs the card worth the risk? No. Maybe people without cash back credit cards would use it, but I don't think that saving $1 a month extra on gas is worth the risk.Dec 09 04:47
*DaemonFC thinks he found the right one....again.Dec 09 04:58
DaemonFCMaybe the 150th time is the charm.Dec 09 04:58
DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/602145_542769449147406_77902526_n.jpgDec 09 05:03
DaemonFCLOLDec 09 05:03
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 09 05:12
DaemonFCThankfully, Microsoft has spared itself the embarrassment of porting Internet Explorer to Android. I can't think of a single person who actually wants that thing. If it wasn't included with Windows without an uninstaller program, it would be toast.Dec 09 05:12
DaemonFChttps://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/p480x480/1394385_191571287713725_1783073480_n.jpgDec 09 05:12
DaemonFChttp://toastytech.com/evil/rants.htmlDec 09 05:14
TechrightsBot-trtoastytech.com | RantsDec 09 05:14
DaemonFC7/03/13Dec 09 05:15
DaemonFCIt's kind of disturbing how many of these backwards Windows 8 machines are out there now. I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a backlash. The average person is just going to put up with it, but reports are PC sales have significantly dropped.Dec 09 05:15
DaemonFCIt is hilarious how Microsoft keeps pointing their finger and blaming tablets as the single cause of low PC sales. Everyone knows the real reason PC sales are dropping are:Dec 09 05:15
DaemonFC1: Nobody wants Windows 8Dec 09 05:15
DaemonFC2: Old desktop computers are good enoughDec 09 05:15
DaemonFC3: You can, indeed, look at pictures of cats on a tablet or "phone" without Windows.Dec 09 05:15
DaemonFCBut people have forgotten why personal computing came about in the first place. Go back and look at the software that made companies buy IBM PCs in the first place. These were spread sheets, word processors, databases, financial programs and such. Those needs may seem mundane today but they are not magically going away, and they are just as critical to businesses as they were then. And those are not the sort of things you can easily do on a Dec 09 05:15
DaemonFCtoy phone or tablet.Dec 09 05:15
DaemonFCIf all you do is look at pictures of cats and clips of Family Guy, then by all means get a tablet. I don't care. But don't try and shove your dumbed down user interfaces on desktops where they don't belong.Dec 09 05:15
DaemonFCThe really crazy thing is how each time a Windows 8 story comes up, comments are usually filled with obvious Microsoft shill posts saying things along the lines of "Windows 8 works great for me! It is so much better! And there is something wrong with you if you can't get used to it and like it". And never a single drop of detail backing up what they claim to be "better".Dec 09 05:15
DaemonFCAnd Microsoft shills are already flapping their heads about "Windows 8.1", trying to make it sound like a complete 180. All Microsoft has done is touch up a couple of things that shouldn't have been messed up in the first place. "They listened" my ass. Brought back the Start button? What a joke. I think this Penny Arcade comic sums up the situation quite nicely: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/28Dec 09 05:15
TechrightsBot-trpenny-arcade.com | Penny Arcade - What You Wish ForDec 09 05:15
DaemonFCBTW, Google sure knows its user base well! Using clips of Family Guy in their Chrome advertisements... Damn that show is so retarded. Dec 09 05:15
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DaemonFCshared Americans Against The Republican Party's photo.Dec 09 06:51
DaemonFC6 seconds agoDec 09 06:51
DaemonFCMy cat's name was Yule before I changed it to Jabba.Dec 09 06:51
DaemonFCI doubt that the last owner got the irony of naming a neutered cat after a Scandinavian fertility god.Dec 09 06:52
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DaemonFChttp://www.examiner.com/article/report-facebook-paid-no-taxes-2012-received-massive-rebateDec 09 07:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.examiner.com | Report: Facebook paid no taxes in 2012, received massive rebate - Orlando liberal | Examiner.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g5wlb ]Dec 09 07:36
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schestowitz__Now comes all the PR: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/internet-companies-demand-spying-overhaul-after-nsa-revelations-live-reactionDec 09 08:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Internet companies demand spying overhaul after NSA revelations – live reaction | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g5wxv ]Dec 09 08:44
schestowitz__DaemonFC: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/602145_542769449147406_77902526_n.jpgDec 09 08:46
schestowitz__I don't get itDec 09 08:46
schestowitz__Is she the fruitcake?Dec 09 08:46
schestowitz__Isn't that a phrase for gay?Dec 09 08:46
iophkgenerally short for 'nutty as a ...'Dec 09 08:53
DaemonFCschestowitz__: what iophk saidDec 09 08:55
DaemonFCI've been promoting certain Android apps on my Facebook page.Dec 09 08:56
DaemonFCThere's been a few that I've found very useful.Dec 09 08:56
DaemonFCI switched my Google search widget to DuckDuckGo and changed mobile Firefox to use that. I managed to get Adblock Plus working in Firefox.Dec 09 08:56
DaemonFCIt's weird.Dec 09 08:57
DaemonFCYou have to install ABP, force kill Firefox, restart Firefox, and then go into the settings menu to change ABP settings.Dec 09 08:57
DaemonFCThe add on and the settings menu don't work until you force kill Firefox and restart it...Dec 09 08:57
DaemonFCThis is not the only Android device I've had this problem with.Dec 09 08:58
DaemonFCI prefer using my Facebook account with Firefox instead of their app, because ABP blocks the "sponsored" garbage in my timeline.Dec 09 09:00
DaemonFCSome women decided to name their daughters "Ryan" back in the 80s and 90s.Dec 09 09:01
DaemonFCSomeone told me that someone I knew was dating someone named Ryan. So I said "Is he gay?" and I got "No. Ryan is his girlfriend."Dec 09 09:02
DaemonFCWTF were those women thinking?Dec 09 09:02
DaemonFCThis is just wrong.Dec 09 09:02
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2317563/android-flashlight-app-rapped-for-leaking-location-informationDec 09 09:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Android Flashlight app rapped for leaking location information- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g5x10 ]Dec 09 09:04
DaemonFCI have a flashlight app. It came with the phone.Dec 09 09:05
DaemonFCThere's a couple apps that I'd rather not have, but I'd have to root the phone and void the warranty to get rid of them. So I just disabled them.Dec 09 09:05
DaemonFCI don't want to void the warranty on a $650 phone.Dec 09 09:06
DaemonFCI love the phone though. That Gorilla Glass 3 is some TOUGH stuff.Dec 09 09:06
iophkThe warranty is bundled to the software and not limited to hardware?Dec 09 09:06
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389084Dec 09 09:06
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cablegate shows that US diplomats (potentially acting as covert #CIA agents also) just serve corporate agenda http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/CablegateDec 09 09:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Cablegate - Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/54iqi ]Dec 09 09:06
schestowitz__"ALL diplomatic missions are primarily economic. A close relative was a british ambassador (Gr4), and used to speak candidly with my father and me."Dec 09 09:07
DaemonFCiophk: LG says they void the warranty if you root the phone.Dec 09 09:07
DaemonFCYou have to root the phone to remove bundled apps.Dec 09 09:07
schestowitz__iophk: I saw thatDec 09 09:07
DaemonFCIt's just like a couple of apps I don't want, so I just disabled them.Dec 09 09:07
DaemonFCThey have some spyware called Lumen Toolbar that comes with the phone.Dec 09 09:08
DaemonFCI didn't want it on so I disabled it.Dec 09 09:08
DaemonFCIt says it will "interact with" Chrome/Android Browser and "provide relevant contextual information and related links".Dec 09 09:09
DaemonFCIn other words, it's spyware and it probably injects fucking advertisements into web pages somehow.Dec 09 09:10
DaemonFCI didn't feel like dealing with that. It's in the Android app store too. It's rated 2 stars.Dec 09 09:10
DaemonFC"Any woman who married for love gets exactly what she deserves...a shitty ring and four ugly kids."Dec 09 09:15
DaemonFCMy ex was quoting Joan Rivers.Dec 09 09:15
MinceRgeekingsDec 09 09:19
iophkold - http://www.wncinfosec.com/dropbox-opening-my-docs/Dec 09 09:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.wncinfosec.com | Dropbox…opening my docs? | wncinfosec  [ http://ur1.ca/fiium ]Dec 09 09:26
schestowitz__LOL: satireDec 09 09:29
schestowitz__" President Obama, who has denied previous knowledge of the site, assured Merkel that he has never seen any of the videos - which reportedly include such titles as "Chancellor Takes Husband's Giant Frankfurter" and "Menkel Farts in Leather Chair"."Dec 09 09:29
schestowitz__http://www.codewit.com/strange-news/14634-nsa-promises-to-shut-down-merkel-porn-site-in-near-futureDec 09 09:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.codewit.com | NSA Promises to Shut Down Merkel Porn Site in Near Future - Strange News - Codewit World News  [ http://ur1.ca/g5x3r ]Dec 09 09:29
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msb_http://truth-out.org/news/item/20495-vermont-approves-single-payer-health-care-everybody-in-nobody-outDec 09 11:00
TechrightsBot-trtruth-out.org | Vermont Approves Single-Payer Health Care: "Everybody In, Nobody Out"  [ http://ur1.ca/g5xmv ]Dec 09 11:00
msb_With TV appearance by Sen. Bernie Sanders.Dec 09 11:01
msb_But not complete until 2017.Dec 09 11:02
msb_Lots of luck to him avoiding assassination til then.Dec 09 11:05
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389444Dec 09 11:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: <img src="http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/161766-windows_nobg.png" width="288" height="192" alt="c">Dec 09 11:13
schestowitz__"Some people think linux users are angry at Microsoft. We aren't angry, we pity the users of expensive and poorly produced shitware. I feel pity for myself during the days before linux was accessible to me. It was hell to have to use that mess, And you know I did try to use Windows 8 with this laptop because I'd been scared by the horror stories of UEFI. Thankfully it was an HP and the same day I said screw it,Dec 09 11:13
schestowitz__I'd rather lose the thing that use it this way."Dec 09 11:13
MinceRhttp://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/everyday-I-pray-to-god.pngDec 09 11:57
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/bmagnanti/status/410013806979338240Dec 09 14:10
TechrightsBot-tr@bmagnanti: Proposing to police the internet for things law enforcement can barely handle in real life strikes me as fundamentally disingenuous...Dec 09 14:10
schestowitz__MinceR: that it proof of he the greatest creatorDec 09 14:11
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MinceRhttp://pix.echtlustig.com/1307/warum-bist-du-vegetarier-geworden.jpgDec 09 14:28
Sosumiplants have  feelingsDec 09 14:31
Sosumithey just happen to express them in a not so common way to humans to understandDec 09 14:31
Sosumibut if you look at the chemistry you'll seeDec 09 14:31
MinceRindeedDec 09 14:32
MinceRthe chemical distress signal of grass smells nice :>Dec 09 14:32
Sosumi:)Dec 09 14:32
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Sosumihttp://appleinsider.com/articles/13/12/09/apple-joins-google-microsoft-others-in-support-of-government-surveillance-reformDec 09 15:34
TechrightsBot-trappleinsider.com | Apple joins Google, Microsoft, others in support of government surveillance reform  [ http://ur1.ca/g5yqt ]Dec 09 15:34
Sosumiafter the hypocrites were caught collaborating with the instelligence complexDec 09 15:34
Sosuminow the want to save faceDec 09 15:34
iophkIt's just empty PRDec 09 15:50
iophkIt wont' affect how they do business with the NSA in all likelihood.Dec 09 15:51
iophkBut they have been making noise about it the last few days.Dec 09 15:52
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Sosumithree In-Q-Tel companies complaining about the NSADec 09 16:07
Sosumiwhat a jokeDec 09 16:07
Sosumispecially googleDec 09 16:07
Sosumiwho's business is dataminingDec 09 16:07
Sosumiand with crapple and M$ wanting to eat into that businessDec 09 16:08
Sosumicrapple with iAdd and M$ with BING AddsDec 09 16:08
Sosumisry, iAdDec 09 16:09
Sosumihttps://developer.apple.com/iad/Dec 09 16:09
TechrightsBot-trdeveloper.apple.com | iAd - Apple DeveloperDec 09 16:09
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/12/09/budapest-district-loves-floss/Dec 09 17:01
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Budapest District Loves FLOSS  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/g5z1w ]Dec 09 17:01
MinceRthere's still a lot of resistance hereDec 09 17:04
iophkThey resist as long as they exist, I expect.Dec 09 17:05
iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/09/internet-surveillance-spyingDec 09 17:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | We cannot afford to be indifferent to internet spying | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g5z2h ]Dec 09 17:08
iophkhttp://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2013/12/christmas-comes-early-for-the.htmlDec 09 17:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerweekly.com | Christmas comes early for the Open Document Faithful (ODF) - Public Sector IT  [ http://ur1.ca/g5jul ]Dec 09 17:11
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MinceRafaik there is no such thing as ".odf" (from the article)Dec 09 17:32
MinceRhm, i was wrongDec 09 17:32
MinceRit's a formula document :>Dec 09 17:32
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iophkhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/12/09/tech-companies-seeking-surveillance-reform-spent-35-million-lobbying-last-year/Dec 09 18:45
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Tech Companies Seeking Surveillance Reform Spent $35 Million Lobbying Last Year - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zdi ]Dec 09 18:45
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Sosumiseb³ the magicianDec 09 19:20
SosumiheyDec 09 19:20
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/video-game-news/10505273/Xbox-owners-tricked-into-destroying-consoles.htmlDec 09 19:31
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Xbox owners tricked into destroying consoles - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zmg ]Dec 09 19:31
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iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2070760/documents-leaked-again-amid-secret-trade-negotiations.htmlDec 09 20:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | Wikileaks exposes secret, controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zr1 ]Dec 09 20:11
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10505987/Group-of-soldiers-mutinied-over-hungover-bosses-court-martial-hears.htmlDec 09 20:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Group of soldiers 'mutinied over hungover bosses', court martial hears - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zra ]Dec 09 20:14
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/french-agency-caught-minting-ssl-certificates-impersonating-google/Dec 09 20:15
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | French agency caught minting SSL certificates impersonating Google | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zre ]Dec 09 20:15
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iophkthird hand info : "Clem claims he has been asked by Canonical's legal department to license the binary packages used by Ubuntu. "Dec 09 20:57
iophkhttp://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20131209#qaDec 09 20:57
TechrightsBot-trdistrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zw1 ]Dec 09 20:57
iophktoo late: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/385906/eu-warns-nokia-not-to-become-a-patent-trollDec 09 20:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcpro.co.uk | EU warns Nokia not to become a "patent troll" | News | PC Pro  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zw6 ]Dec 09 20:59
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DaemonFCThe facts are in about the poverty rate, proposals to increase the minimum wage to $11 an hour, and switching Social Security Cost of Living Allowances using the Chained CPI for the Elderly (by raising the amount of Social Security tax that the wealthy pay).Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCThe poverty rate (under the federal poverty gudelines) in Huntington, Indiana is over 18%. If you count people who are near the poverty line, the figure balloons to over 30%.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCRaising the minimum wage to $11 an hour and using CPI-E for Social Security would reduce the poverty rate in Huntington, Indiana to something like 5-6%, and the near-poverty rate to something like 10-11%.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCNationally, these initiatives alone would also create over 250,000 new jobs over the next year after being enacted.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCThese proposals are being suppressed by the wealthy, who do not want to pay their workers, or pay a little more in taxes, and right-wing economists, who falsely claim that they would create price inflation.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCWhat *is* creating price inflation, right now, and pushing millions of Americans into poverty or near-poverty is the right-wing policies of bailing out the banksters by expanding the monetary base, and asset price manipulation and speculation by the criminal "investor class" on Wall Street.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCStates with higher minimum wages don't necessarily have higher prices. The minimum wage in Washington state is over $9 an hour, and when you go to McDonalds or Walmart, the prices are about the same as they are in any other state.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCWhat you do get when you raise the minimum wage are fewer people who need food stamps, medicaid, and rent subsidies, which are effectively corporate socialism.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCIn other words. "Hey, Walmart! Hey, McDonalds! It's cool that you don't want to pay your workers anything. We can create programs funded by the taxpayers to prop up your low wage structure and make your pay scale work.".Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCThis is the government manipulation and distortion of the market that right-wingers are always complaining about, but they exist to enable treacherous megacorporations to continue paying their workers nothing.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCAsking companies to pay their workers, rather than to take from the pockets of people who might not even do business there, seems like a really modest proposal to me.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 14 minutes ago · Edited ·Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCWhen I worked at Walmart, we had these things called "CBLs". It was basically a system where you sat down at a computer, which would "train" you to do your jobs.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCWalmart makes no bones about their position. The CBLs state that Walmart does not exist to create jobs or guarantee any standard of living for their employees; they exist to create more money for their managers and shareholders.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCThat one is in the "Labor Relations" CBL that teaches employees to despise the unions that *could* use collective bargaining to improve the lives of their workers. It's also in the "management Labor Relations" module, that tells managers how to go about firing any employees that want a better standard of living, and are openly discussing unionization.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCCorporations have no conscience. They only consider what will make them more money, and what they can get away with.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCThe law, at its best, will curtail some of those excesses.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCAnd Corporate America has a message for the middle class as well.Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFC"Quit worrying about the decline in your living standard that is being created by us. Instead, be outraged that someone else is going to be able to eat tonight."Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 7 minutes ago · Edited ·Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCFun Fact: If Walmart stopped spending $7 billion per year to buy back its own stock to keep the price high, it could raise the hourly wage of every employee to $14.86 per hour.Dec 09 21:49
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389932Dec 09 22:00
schestowitz__"Fedora 20 :P"Dec 09 22:00
TechrightsBot-trNot a Diaspora post?Dec 09 22:01
schestowitz__[20:59] <iophk> too late: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/385906/eu-warns-nokia-not-to-become-a-patent-trollDec 09 22:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcpro.co.uk | EU warns Nokia not to become a "patent troll" | News | PC Pro  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zw6 ]Dec 09 22:01
schestowitz__Too late indeedDec 09 22:01
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389429Dec 09 22:03
MinceREU "warnings" have no weight anywayDec 09 22:03
MinceRthey never do anythingDec 09 22:03
schestowitz__"I prefer firefox and Whonix."Dec 09 22:03
schestowitz__MinceR: it can still be a deterrenceDec 09 22:03
schestowitz__in this caseDec 09 22:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### The following is presented as a battle plan. But it is a disengagement plan:(Dec 09 22:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> theoccupiedtimes.org | How To Combat Online Surveillance | The Occupied TimesDec 09 22:03
MinceRthey even allow a dictatorship as a member stateDec 09 22:04
schestowitz__better than no warning at allDec 09 22:04
MinceRwith full voting rightsDec 09 22:04
MinceRwith all sorts of payoutsDec 09 22:04
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3390237Dec 09 22:04
schestowitz__"lol :-D"Dec 09 22:04
TechrightsBot-trNot a Diaspora post?Dec 09 22:05
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 09 22:12
DaemonFCDear Republicans,Dec 09 22:12
DaemonFCWhen President Obama starts profiting off of the cocaine industry in Nicaragua to raise money to sell weapons to Iran, like your hero "Ronald Raygun", we'll start talking about "scandals".Dec 09 22:12
schestowitz__[18:45] <iophk> http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/12/09/tech-companies-seeking-surveillance-reform-spent-35-million-lobbying-last-year/Dec 09 22:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Tech Companies Seeking Surveillance Reform Spent $35 Million Lobbying Last Year - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zdi ]Dec 09 22:16
schestowitz__For surveillance? More of it?1 :-)Dec 09 22:16
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/new-us-spy-satellite-features-world-devouring-octopus/Dec 09 22:25
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | New US spy satellite features world-devouring octopus | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g607y ]Dec 09 22:25
Sosumiyour tax dollars at workDec 09 22:25
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schestowitz__no more  for healthDec 09 22:36
schestowitz__lots for corporate espionageDec 09 22:36
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3390491Dec 09 22:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The NSA should run a "terrorism and child porn appreciation day". Without them, NSA wouldn't have managed to be born and stay alive.Dec 09 22:37
schestowitz__"LOOOL :D Amazing !!"Dec 09 22:37
MinceR:>Dec 09 22:37
MinceRthey would have found or manufactured an excuse anywayDec 09 22:37
MinceRgnDec 09 22:39
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3391900Dec 09 22:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mother Jones Shows That Gates Foundation is a Hypocritical Ploy http://techrights.org/2013/12/09/mother-jones-on-gates-foundation/ #billgates #deception #investmentDec 09 22:44
schestowitz__"Most foundations exist merely as a tax-exempt dumping ground for the cash of the well-to-do. They get to deduct a boatload off of their taxes while making sure their cash goes to keep themselves rich and enhance their corporate interests."Dec 09 22:44
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Mother Jones Shows That Gates Foundation is a Hypocritical Ploy | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g60aw ]Dec 09 22:45
schestowitz__They think og it as "doing good" while making money. They can't see that not paying tax is in itself not good.Dec 09 22:45
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3391924Dec 09 22:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Fedora 20 About a Week AwayDec 09 22:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Fedora 20 About a Week Away | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g60b1 ]Dec 09 22:45
schestowitz__"so is your birthday?"Dec 09 22:45
schestowitz__yes, 32ndDec 09 22:46
sebsebsebschestowitz__: Fedora 20 neary out didn't know thatDec 09 23:00
sebsebsebthey used to also release closer to the GNOME releases didn't theyDec 09 23:01
sebsebseb,but I guess the delay  that happended put htat of a bit?Dec 09 23:01
sebsebsebfEDORA 17 delay 18 or whatever it wasDec 09 23:01
sebsebsebschestowitz__: hmm you showed KDE in your screenshot not GNOMEDec 09 23:01
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389959Dec 10 06:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: GNU/Linux is getting some nice games http://gamingbolt.com/metro-last-light-comes-to-linux-and-it-largely-survives-the-transitionDec 10 06:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> gamingbolt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/g62n3 ]Dec 10 06:32
schestowitz"The guy who wrote this is a moron. OpenGL, by itself, is the best platform to play games. Linux, by itself, is the best platform to play games. Put them together and Neptune's the limit."Dec 10 06:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389921Dec 10 06:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "email security and encryption have become more complex and more of a necessity" http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/2013120707481589/EmailEncryption.htmlDec 10 06:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxlinks.com | Top Email Encryption Tools - Linux Links - The Linux Portal Site  [ http://ur1.ca/g62na ]Dec 10 06:32
schestowitz"It's a bad time for Kmail to fall apart."Dec 10 06:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389105Dec 10 06:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Britain's GCHQ and America's NSA" assisted by "Google, Facebook and Microsoft" http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/528387/20131208/paedophiles-dark-net-tor-child-abuse-nsa.htm complicitDec 10 06:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.ibtimes.co.uk | GCHQ and NSA Join Forces to Hunt Paedophiles on 'Dark Net' - IBTimes UK  [ http://ur1.ca/g62nq ]Dec 10 06:36
schestowitz"This is probably the most direct and disturbing evidence of Google hijack. They have been convinced to turn their image recognition software against users and are acting as police."Dec 10 06:36
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iophkBoth Firefox and Chrome now : http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUzODADec 10 08:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Mozilla Firefox Enables VP9 Video Codec By Default  [ http://ur1.ca/g634r ]Dec 10 08:50
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3390775Dec 10 09:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The last time corporate press accused China of 'hacking' governments was shortly before NSAGate. Used to be monthly.Dec 10 09:12
schestowitz"[nodding] ...and how much has anyone said since...?"Dec 10 09:12
schestowitziophk: yes, seen thatDec 10 09:12
iophksmall but good newsDec 10 09:12
iophkmore support of open codecs is an advancementDec 10 09:13
schestowitzYeah, Rianne posted it in TuxMachinesDec 10 09:13
schestowitzit's easy to miss the newsDec 10 09:13
schestowitzthe original is just some code changeDec 10 09:13
iophkI'll have to start checking there more regularlyDec 10 09:13
schestowitzno announcment from mozilla that I can seeDec 10 09:13
schestowitzPhoronix does have an eye for things, though I reckon he gets headups in the forums, IRC, email, etcDec 10 09:14
schestowitzToday I had some email arguments with Red Hat staffDec 10 09:14
schestowitzover UEFIDec 10 09:14
iophkare they still pushing restricted boot?Dec 10 09:14
iophk"and then pay $99 and sign that with Microsoft."Dec 10 09:16
iophkhttp://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.htmlDec 10 09:16
TechrightsBot-trmjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Implementing UEFI Secure Boot in FedoraDec 10 09:16
iophkthough that was a year agoDec 10 09:17
schestowitzyeahDec 10 09:21
iophkI thought it was a bad precedent to establish a need for RH to pay M$ just for the privilege of booting.  That means that the price and frequency of payment are possible to change now that they're over the big hump.Dec 10 09:23
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/12/massive-domestic-monitorning/Dec 10 09:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Cops and Feds Routinely 'Dump' Cell Towers to Track Everyone Nearby | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g63ce ]Dec 10 09:37
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iophkhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/agencies-collected-data-on-americans-cellphone-use-in-thousands-of-tower-dumps/2013/12/08/20549190-5e80-11e3-be07-006c776266ed_story.htmlDec 10 11:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Agencies collected data on Americans’ cellphone use in thousands of ‘tower dumps’ - The Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/g641i ]Dec 10 11:42
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sebsebsebhiDec 10 13:28
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/10499993/20-years-of-Doom-the-game-that-put-a-gun-in-your-hand.htmlDec 10 13:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | 20 years of Doom: the game that put a gun in your hand - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g64mj ]Dec 10 13:55
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schestowitz__What does Ubuntu have for booting that other distros lack? nothing I can think of, it's just a matter of hobby/reserve engineering.Dec 10 14:08
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iophkI thought they all boot with grub or grub2 now.Dec 10 14:09
schestowitz__[14:04] <schestowitz> https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394347Dec 10 14:11
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I once used a Chromebook. It's easy, too limiting _for me_. But some wrongly assume it's for everyone, then bash it. http://www.techtree.com/content/reviews/5144/review-acer-chromebook-c720.htmlDec 10 14:11
schestowitz__[14:05] <schestowitz> "Once I hear that it is a piece of cake to install a distro of my choice on it, I'll be interested. I've heard otherwise."Dec 10 14:11
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techtree.com | Review: Acer Chromebook C720 | TechTree.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g64or ]Dec 10 14:11
schestowitz__[14:05] <schestowitz> iophk: Wolfenstein predates itDec 10 14:11
schestowitz__[14:06] <schestowitz> "I bought one for my parents. My Dad was the techie at home until his stroke a few years ago fried that entire part of his brain. My mom had not used a computer until a few months prior. My brother got an HP laptop with XP for them and it worked well for a few months and then got some malware. He cleaned it and the cycle repeated for a while. They didn't want a tablet since it would be a new paradigm that they Dec 10 14:11
schestowitz__would need to learn so I Dec 10 14:11
schestowitz__[14:06] <schestowitz> picked up a Chromebook for them a few months ago. They have loved it! All that they need it for is surfing the internet and doing email, so it has been a perfect fit for them."Dec 10 14:11
schestowitz__[14:06] <schestowitz> Good to hearDec 10 14:11
schestowitz__[14:08] <schestowitz> "I've heard of some getting Ubuntu up and running on it, but that's not my distro of choice."Dec 10 14:11
iophkWolfenstein 3d predates it, but Doom was *the* phenomenon.Dec 10 14:11
iophkIt was a major craze for a while.Dec 10 14:12
iophkIt also made some people motion sick.Dec 10 14:12
schestowitz__what has changed since?Dec 10 14:12
schestowitz__though some FPS for Linux, UT IIRC, made me sick a few years agDec 10 14:13
schestowitz__headache after less than an hour under Mint with standard monitorDec 10 14:13
iophkYou could see people dodging physically in their chairs when they played DoomDec 10 14:13
iophkIIRC the early version did something nasty with the LAN using broadcast packets or something.Dec 10 14:15
iophkSo it got a lot of attention from all sides.  Dec 10 14:15
schestowitz__[14:13] <iophk> You could see people dodging physically in their chairs when they played DoomDec 10 14:17
schestowitz__LOLDec 10 14:17
schestowitz__InstinctsDec 10 14:17
iophkPeople got quite absorbed.  Dec 10 14:18
schestowitz__To a lesser degree people sometimes do this, or they hit the keyboard harder as though the keyboard has sensors for strenghtDec 10 14:18
iophkThose that had computers in their dorm rooms played with headphones, late into the night.Dec 10 14:18
iophkSome of those would forget and end up shouting, waking up room mates, when surprised by monsters.Dec 10 14:19
iophkMUDs/MOOs were more detrimental.  There were people that didn't eat/sleep/shave/attend class because of MUDs/MOOsDec 10 14:20
iophkThey usually were gone in a term or two.Dec 10 14:21
AgnesiMUDs/MOOs?Dec 10 14:51
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Sosumimade up drama?Dec 10 14:54
iophkhttp://www.itworld.com/internet/385679/twitter-gobbles-more-cookies-retargeted-ads-says-users-have-privacy-choicesDec 10 14:56
iophkhttp://bigdatablog.emc.com/2012/07/11/how-will-twitters-api-restrictions-affect-big-data-applications-datasift-helps-clarify-whats-going-on/Dec 10 14:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.itworld.com | Twitter gobbles up more cookies with retargeted ads, says users have privacy choices | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/g64uz ]Dec 10 14:56
TechrightsBot-trbigdatablog.emc.com | How Will Twitter’s API Restrictions Affect Big Data Applications? DataSift Helps Clarify What’s Going On - EMC Big Data  [ http://ur1.ca/g64v0 ]Dec 10 14:56
iophkchanneling twitter users into narrower options, more likely to be exposed to adsDec 10 14:56
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08/new-api-severely-restricts-third-party-twitter-applications/Dec 10 14:58
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | New API severely restricts third-party Twitter applications | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g64v5 ]Dec 10 14:58
iophkoldDec 10 14:58
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394376Dec 10 15:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: PCLinuxOS 2013.12 KDE, MATE and LXDE released http://m.itworld.com/open-source/386449/pclinuxos-201312-kde-mate-and-lxde-released #pclos #mate #lxdeDec 10 15:22
TechrightsBot-tr-> m.itworld.com | PCLinuxOS 2013.12 KDE, MATE and LXDE released | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/g64xu ]Dec 10 15:22
schestowitz__"kernel 3.4 is you fuh real, texstar?"Dec 10 15:23
schestowitz__WowDec 10 15:23
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394347Dec 10 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I once used a Chromebook. It's easy, too limiting _for me_. But some wrongly assume it's for everyone, then bash it. http://www.techtree.com/content/reviews/5144/review-acer-chromebook-c720.htmlDec 10 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techtree.com | Review: Acer Chromebook C720 | TechTree.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g64or ]Dec 10 15:27
schestowitz__"I have to use Ralink drivers on this laptop. I don't feel any way about that, it's just something I have to deal with until they get reverse engineered or opened to the public."Dec 10 15:27
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3393774Dec 10 15:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: USSR remembered: assassinating people abroad makes CIA no better than KGB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j4SWr9BsCUDec 10 15:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.youtube.com | Inside the KGB: Terror of the Soviet Union | History Documentary - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g63hp ]Dec 10 15:28
schestowitz__"Is that Ronald Reagan narrating?"Dec 10 15:28
schestowitz__Like Obama, speaking seems to be his main skillDec 10 15:28
schestowitz__When I watched the credit at the end this morning I noticed that some people of Russian origins helped put it together, so there's some credibility to this information and it's not something like "History" channel. Overall, worth a watch.Dec 10 15:29
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394648Dec 10 16:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk attitude towards FOSS summed up by one idiotic statement http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3493090/open-source-wasnt-available-two-years-ago-says-universal-credit-chief/Dec 10 16:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.computerworlduk.com | Open source 'wasn't available' two years ago, says Universal Credit chief - ComputerworldUK.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g653r ]Dec 10 16:08
schestowitz__"Umm, I started installing Linux on things in 1995. So, ... ... ... s/he is about 15 years wrong?"Dec 10 16:08
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394606Dec 10 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Twitter adds ads. "Twitter will start delivering targeted ads on mobile devices based on Web browsing data" http://www.itworld.com/internet/385679/twitter-gobbles-more-cookies-retargeted-ads-says-users-have-privacy-choicesDec 10 16:09
schestowitz__"-> You twit ergo you buy <-"Dec 10 16:09
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schestowitz__http://youtu.be/DLmVwfuMEHYDec 10 16:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Storyville: Pussy Riot A Punk Prayer - YouTubeDec 10 16:11
schestowitz__Using one pretty face to get public sympathy and sell Westerners the story that only Russia is evil corrupt etc.Dec 10 16:11
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/Dec 10 16:13
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | “We cannot trust” Intel and Via’s chip-based crypto, FreeBSD developers say | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g654o ]Dec 10 16:13
schestowitz__taDec 10 16:20
iophkIt was in the news a few weeks ago in another context, too. Different developers saying about the same thing.Dec 10 16:24
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394706Dec 10 16:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google #censorship again http://ibnlive.in.com/news/condom-to-sex-googles-weird-list-of-banned-words-for-android-44-kitkat/438654-11.html should be ashamed of themselves. #freespeechDec 10 16:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> ibnlive.in.com | Condom to sex: Google's weird list of banned words for Android 4.4 KitKat  [ http://ur1.ca/g655r ]Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__"The mine have no support for the cyanogenmod to :-("Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3393036Dec 10 16:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Facebook and #Microsoft do *not* "unite to call for restrictions on NSA spying",they are uniting to change perception of collusion in crimeDec 10 16:42
schestowitz__"Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__What I've found funny about the Facebook, Microsoft, and Google gamut; is that despite all their shouting. MS keeps shifting back to a game of "no comment" every time a new bit of their complicity comes out (e.g. the recent revelations about the X-Box live network) and they've basically taken an angle of "if you close your eyes they can't see you" as it pertains to Win8 and Server 2012 basically being made huge trojans worked out Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__with IBM, Cisco, Intel, and else.....that is to say, they've made just shy of no public comment on the matter.Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__Google's Eric has shifted to some odd acts of pretending like Google is looking to be i2p or something while simultaneously doing absolutely nothing like the i2p project.Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__And we have similar with Facebook. Notably with Facebook, it was funny to see comments made by Zuckerberg recently that led to a bunch of comments from his own users (for the most part) calling "Bull".Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ise8FUxw8IDec 10 16:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | In heaven everything is fine - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g65au ]Dec 10 16:43
schestowitz__The Enterprise market is running from all three facets (and A LOT MORE) in droves. Simply put, the Enterprise market isn't fooled by the statements and the companies are all more than aware of that. The statements are meant for fooling the consumer market public. I question if there moves here are effective.....or if they simply anger the public. (again, take a look at comments to Zuckerberg from Facebook users)Dec 10 16:43
schestowitz__"Dec 10 16:43
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/410449777742974976Dec 10 16:49
TechrightsBot-tr@candtalan: Lack of trust in chip based  cryto: @omgubuntu Please note? via  @schestowitzDec 10 16:49
schestowitz__T'so complained. RAND seems tampered with.Dec 10 16:49
iophkGood memoryDec 10 16:50
schestowitz__!google tso randDec 10 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Rand + Jen | Chehalis, WA » JEROME TSO PHOTOGRAPHY – The ... | http://www.jerometsophotography.com/blog/%3Fp%3D24305Dec 10 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Rand + Jennifer | Olympia Engagement » JEROME TSO ... | http://www.jerometsophotography.com/blog/%3Fp%3D21562Dec 10 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Musicafella - Live @ Tso's Butchery - Kagiso, West Rand [JHB ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQD6bDcGqyPQDec 10 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Jerome Tso Photography | Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jerome-Tso-Photography/12163593428Dec 10 16:51
schestowitz__!google tso rand linuxDec 10 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Schneier on Security: Insecurities in the Linux /dev/random | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/insecurities_in.htmlDec 10 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Linux /dev/random source | http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~daw/rnd/linux-randDec 10 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Rocky Rand | LinkedIn | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rocky-rand/8/9b9/242Dec 10 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Linus Responds To RdRand Petition With Scorn - Slashdot | http://slashdot.org/story/13/09/10/1311247/linus-responds-to-rdrand-petition-with-scornDec 10 16:51
iophkI got very different results.Dec 10 16:51
iophkGoogle varies from country to country I think.Dec 10 16:51
iophk"Did you mean:Dec 10 16:52
iophktor and linuxDec 10 16:52
iophktorrent linux"Dec 10 16:52
schestowitz__hehDec 10 16:52
schestowitz__I should wrtie about the FAT rulingDec 10 16:52
schestowitz__soonDec 10 16:52
schestowitz__maybe tonight,  not sure when to work on thew RMS videosDec 10 16:53
iophkdid you get through the old ones already?  Or will they be mixed with the new?Dec 10 16:54
schestowitz__I finished the Oxford onesDec 10 16:56
schestowitz__I got the GNU questions answeredDec 10 16:56
schestowitz__and it's not time-sensitiveDec 10 16:56
schestowitz__I will catch up with it in a few days, I took vacation from work till 21st of Dec. IIRCDec 10 16:57
schestowitz__Some parties and other events coming, but other than that, lots of time to do project work like moving TuxMachines between serversDec 10 16:57
schestowitz__TM might be down soonDec 10 16:57
schestowitz__Lots of snowstorms in the USDec 10 16:57
schestowitz__and some threaten to take power down FOR DAYSDec 10 16:58
schestowitz__So I was told by the current hostDec 10 16:58
iophkPower outages will be more interesting with smartphones.  Those only hold their charge for a few hours.Dec 10 16:58
schestowitz__US becomes like post-USSR collapse RussiaDec 10 16:58
schestowitz__Not like FinlandDec 10 16:58
iophkThere were some hundreds of thousands with out power this season in southern Finland.Dec 10 16:59
schestowitz__I've not had an outage here for like 3 years or more, not even for a few secon dsDec 10 16:59
schestowitz__iophk: ah, I didn't know thatDec 10 16:59
schestowitz__is that near Estonia?Dec 10 16:59
iophkaccross the waterDec 10 16:59
iophkSweden doesn't do so well either, this last decade. Dec 10 17:00
iophkTens of thousands without power in either place is not that uncommon in a big storm.Dec 10 17:01
iophkunits = householdsDec 10 17:01
iophkin both casesDec 10 17:01
schestowitz__wow, eye-openingDec 10 17:04
schestowitz__Maybe I forgot how to appreciate persistence of powerDec 10 17:04
schestowitz__so instead I sometimes complain about BTDec 10 17:05
schestowitz__Which BTW has been OK for the past 2 months, a disaster before that...Dec 10 17:05
MinceRmy smartphone could last for a dayDec 10 17:10
MinceRor moreDec 10 17:10
MinceRalso, a power bank can help :>Dec 10 17:10
iophkIn parts of the US many have simply bought generators.Dec 10 17:14
iophkThat's a really inefficient and polluting way to provide less power overall.Dec 10 17:14
MinceRit does keep working when the power grid dies, thoughDec 10 17:15
iophkYeah, it's cheaper and less polluting to keep the grid going.Dec 10 17:16
iophkBut that's apparently not a priority any more.Dec 10 17:16
iophkMaintenance has been cut back.Dec 10 17:16
iophkold - http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/11/copper-scavengers-loot-high-tech-infrastructure/67068/Dec 10 17:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.theatlantic.com | Copper Scavengers Loot High-Tech Infrastructure - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic  [ http://ur1.ca/g65gf ]Dec 10 17:18
MinceRif human civilization collapses, the power grid will follow :>Dec 10 17:19
iophkand the plumbingDec 10 17:19
MinceRand eventually the paved roadsDec 10 17:20
iophkfood is transported such long distances now that starvation will happen early onDec 10 17:21
iophkI would expect that few if any farms would survive bandit and looters and waves of refugees.Dec 10 17:21
iophkEven if they did, they're no draft animals to speak of and the diesel would quickly run out.Dec 10 17:22
iophkEven if there were draft animals they'd get eaten by the above bandits, looters and refugees, so that the starvation would be complete.Dec 10 17:23
iophkSame for seed corn, etc.Dec 10 17:23
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iophk' President Obama criticized leaders "who claim solidarity with Mandela  struggle for freedom, but do not tolerate dissent from their own  people."'Dec 10 17:34
iophkhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/12/10/obama_too_many_leaders_claim_solidarity_with_mandela_but_do_not_tolerate_dissent_from_their_own_people.htmlDec 10 17:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.realclearpolitics.com | Obama: Too Many Leaders Claim Solidarity With Mandela, "But Do Not Tolerate Dissent From Their Own People" | Video | RealClearPolitics  [ http://ur1.ca/g65ie ]Dec 10 17:34
iophkhe said it in his speech in the stadium there.Dec 10 17:34
iophkThere's probably another source online.Dec 10 17:35
MinceRhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba42Z0lCMAAfkzM.jpg:largeDec 10 17:36
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MinceRhttp://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/738/5472/original.jpg?w=800&hDec 10 17:36
iophkThat is a lot of gall coming from him given his treatment of whistleblower, the ones his campaign platform would protect.Dec 10 17:36
iophkneeds a better link though, site's not so goodDec 10 17:43
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schestowitz__[17:18] <TechrightsBot-tr> www.theatlantic.com | Copper Scavengers Loot High-Tech Infrastructure - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic  [ http://ur1.ca/g65gf ]Dec 10 18:31
schestowitz__ohk, old...Dec 10 18:31
iophkyes oldDec 10 18:31
iophkbut ongoingDec 10 18:31
schestowitz__but it shows what economic turndown may bringDec 10 18:31
schestowitz__!google east euruope inter down womanDec 10 18:31
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TechrightsBot-tr[2] - BBC News - Pensioner in Georgia cuts Armenia off from internet | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12985082Dec 10 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Egypt arrests as undersea internet cable cut off Alexandria - BBC | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21963100Dec 10 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Georgian Woman, 75, Arrested for Cutting Armenia's Internet - WSJ ... | http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704630004576249013084603344Dec 10 18:31
schestowitz__This was so hilariousDec 10 18:32
schestowitz__ina  sick senseDec 10 18:32
schestowitz__some very old lady takes advanytage of the country's connectivity being so s***yDec 10 18:32
iophkyeah in some cases they've dug up fiber and cut into thatDec 10 18:32
iophkI guess that will be one advantage when fibre becomes predominant, the looting will lessen or at least the thieves will learn to discern between copper and fibre.Dec 10 18:34
iophkhttp://archive09.linux.com/feed/125624Dec 10 18:35
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schestowitz__iophk: 404 indeedDec 10 18:39
schestowitz__what was it?Dec 10 18:39
schestowitz__so much for "arcgive"Dec 10 18:39
schestowitz__*archive'Dec 10 18:40
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iophkDon't know.  It was pointed to as the answer to a question in a forum from a couple of years ago.  So the link died recentlyDec 10 18:40
iophkThe archiving of things is not a priority.Dec 10 18:40
iophkIt should be.Dec 10 18:40
iophkToo much is getting lost. Dec 10 18:40
iophkSome on purpose, though.Dec 10 18:40
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schestowitz__http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/paytonbyrd/proof-that-the-free-software-movement-knows-it-cannot-compete-boycott-novell-raquo-66-pages-of-microsoft-evilness-29862Dec 10 18:41
TechrightsBot-trit.toolbox.com | Proof that the Free Software Movement Knows It Cannot Compete: Boycott Novell » 66 Pages of Microsoft Evilness  [ http://ur1.ca/g65qd ]Dec 10 18:41
iophkSome stuff seems to stay around...Dec 10 18:41
schestowitz__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhATFqM0TngDec 10 18:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Boycott Novell Campaign Videos - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g65qh ]Dec 10 18:42
schestowitz__AvinadDec 10 18:42
schestowitz__Using my GIMp graphicsDec 10 18:42
schestowitz__and making sheets based on the siteDec 10 18:42
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schestowitz__RMS said this was the first time police force was used to drive away FS activistsDec 10 18:43
iophkIn India?Dec 10 18:44
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389429Dec 10 18:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### The following is presented as a battle plan. But it is a disengagement plan:(Dec 10 18:44
schestowitz__iophk: yeahDec 10 18:44
TechrightsBot-tr-> theoccupiedtimes.org | How To Combat Online Surveillance | The Occupied TimesDec 10 18:44
schestowitz__"Audit means nothing if it's closed source."Dec 10 18:45
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3393785Dec 10 18:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: the garden of cosmic speculation...Dec 10 18:54
schestowitz__"#Groovy"Dec 10 18:54
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3395008Dec 10 19:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #JoinDiaspora is #emerging as the most awesome social network, bigger in terms of participation and interaction than #identica and #twitterDec 10 19:38
schestowitz__"JoinDiaspora also uses Amazon servers which might as well be a direct line to the NSA."Dec 10 19:38
schestowitz__Like DuckDuckGoDec 10 19:38
schestowitz__"diaspora is more than just the pod joindiaspora :p"Dec 10 19:39
schestowitz__"Is identica still functioning ? Heard there was someother fork or website ? Also any news on account migration?"Dec 10 19:39
Sosumiamazon backwardsDec 10 19:39
SosuminOZAMADec 10 19:39
Sosumiwatch out for nOZAMADec 10 19:40
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3395341Dec 10 19:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The first time I'm aware a protest was inspired by my writings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhATFqM0TngDec 10 19:40
schestowitz__"Is this related to <a href="http://techrights.org/2008/11/16/novell-sponsorship-critique/">this protest</a>?"Dec 10 19:40
schestowitz__yesDec 10 19:40
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Friendly ‘Boycott Novell’ Supportes Robbed of Voice | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g65zo ]Dec 10 19:41
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3395122Dec 10 19:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Too many world leaders (even Bush) are playing w/ Mandela's corpse (pardon the phrase, ref to apartheid regime) for self-promotion purposesDec 10 19:41
schestowitz__"It's disgusting."Dec 10 19:41
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DaemonFChttp://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/12/gates-foundations-24-most-egregious-investmentsDec 10 19:47
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sebsebseb Dec 10 20:21
MinceR Dec 10 20:22
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sebsebsebMinceR: iophk openSUSEDec 10 20:33
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iophkhttp://techrights.org/2008/11/16/novell-sponsorship-critique/Dec 10 20:34
sebsebsebiophk: uhmm they can get SUSE stuff easilly from one of the sponsersDec 10 20:34
sebsebsebI think that's one of the reasons why Mageia was outDec 10 20:34
iophkCant you get Mageia discs?Dec 10 20:35
sebsebsebiophk: yepDec 10 20:35
sebsebseb,butDec 10 20:35
sebsebsebiophk: they may not want me to distribute those!Dec 10 20:35
iophkCan't stop you.Dec 10 20:35
sebsebsebiophk: meant to be agreeing on some merchanice on the next   meetingDec 10 20:36
sebsebsebso SUSE stuff, Ubuntu stuff, Mint stuffDec 10 20:36
sebsebsebagenda says nothing about anting else,but I saidabobut MOzilla etcDec 10 20:36
iophkFocus on Mozilla (thunderbird, firefox) and LIbreOffice and VLC and the cross-platform stuff.Dec 10 20:36
sebsebsebMozllastickers and yeahDec 10 20:37
sebsebseb?Dec 10 20:37
sebsebsebI am thinking some MOzilla stuff and forLibre Office posisbly to as wlelDec 10 20:37
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sebsebsebiophk: going to bring some merchandise examples to the meetingDec 10 20:37
iophkCool.Dec 10 20:37
sebsebsebas for getting any Mint stuff, good luck to them I thinkDec 10 20:37
sebsebsebseems Mint doesn't really have anythingDec 10 20:37
sebsebsebexcept  t-shirts to buy an that kindof thingDec 10 20:38
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sebsebsebiophk: what I find interesting is  now this guy who wanted Mint can't d the eventDec 10 20:38
sebsebsebthey want him to work longer in USADec 10 20:38
sebsebsebiophk: ,butnow he brings in this other guy who offered to helpDec 10 20:38
sebsebsebI suggestd bringing him in for the vote, but nope that didn't happenDec 10 20:38
iophkIf he's helping he should "vote" ...Dec 10 20:39
sebsebsebiophk: yeah maybe a re vote shuld happen thenDec 10 20:39
sebsebsebthis  guy who wanted Mint can't do the eventDec 10 20:39
sebsebsebnow it turns out, I wasn't at the vote meeting, and now this other guy has been bought in as wellDec 10 20:39
sebsebsebiophk: maybe a vote shoud happen again with everyone there etc.. oh ,but they are unlikely to go with thatDec 10 20:39
sebsebsebiophk: Mint,  Ubuntu, and openSUSE eventDec 10 20:40
sebsebsebiophk: doesn't matter that I was the one who pushed for the whole idea of having an event again, earlier this yearDec 10 20:41
sebsebsebwhen the idea just kindof died our sat there last yearDec 10 20:41
iophkThat should count for something.Dec 10 20:41
sebsebsebyeah you would have thought woudn't you?Dec 10 20:41
sebsebseb,but it seems notDec 10 20:41
sebsebsebiophk: anyway the guy that is now being bought in,   I get on with himDec 10 20:41
iophkCollaboration.Dec 10 20:42
sebsebsebiophk: yeah exacty callobraationDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebI guess I need to say something on TuesdayDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebworth a try at leastDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebiophk: bingo callaboraoitnDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebeveryone working togetherDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebno one being excludedDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebthat's what I wantedDec 10 20:42
sebsebseb,but now the opposite has happended really,  it's not really my event nowDec 10 20:43
sebsebsebit's their event, not my event now, it seemsDec 10 20:43
sebsebsebhave the genral overall goal in mind, but  with differences, and that's where the issues beenDec 10 20:43
sebsebsebiophk: yep who pushed  for hte idea again, it was meDec 10 20:44
sebsebsebreally that means nothing?Dec 10 20:44
iophktalk with that other fellow and figure out something for the meetingDec 10 20:47
sebsebsebiophk: yeah he won't know about  lots of stuff that happended etcDec 10 20:47
sebsebsebiophk: I rmember sending  entuthasitic emails to the listDec 10 20:48
sebsebsebabout  having an eventDec 10 20:48
sebsebseband having it with Mageia and such :dDec 10 20:48
iophkPoint that out.  It is part of the plan then, if you have it documented.Dec 10 20:49
sebsebsebiophk: oh those emais are logged in the archeiveDec 10 20:49
sebsebsebit was just mainly talk to get interest in havingg an eventDec 10 20:49
sebsebseb,but it was something still I guessDec 10 20:49
sebsebsebiophk: I think softwarewise what I wanted is out probably hwatever happens nowDec 10 20:50
sebsebsebunless hmmDec 10 20:50
sebsebsebiophk: ,but well ther's no Jitsi in the repo's anyway for this distro Dec 10 20:50
sebsebsebtried to get them to additDec 10 20:50
sebsebseband  I am a bit hmmm about installing codecs and Skype and all that,  plus local brandngDec 10 20:51
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sebsebsebiophk: ,but I still don't think certain things should have gone like they did really etcDec 10 20:51
sebsebseband it's to late to fork orwhateverDec 10 20:52
sebsebsebhave own event I thinkDec 10 20:52
sebsebseband not really worth the hassle the effortDec 10 20:52
sebsebsebiophk: and things probabbly won't actsaully  be as bad, when I meet them again or whatever,  but hmmDec 10 20:52
sebsebsebiophk: I think just got to go alon with things now really,  and that's that,   and it's nice to get away from computers more at times, have other interests etc :)Dec 10 20:54
sebsebsebuh  I feel like I need more otherintersts at times nowDec 10 20:54
sebsebsebiophk: still about?Dec 10 21:00
sebsebsebMinceR: about?Dec 10 21:00
MinceR Dec 10 21:01
sebsebsebMinceR:  okDec 10 21:01
iophkkindogDec 10 21:01
sebsebseb Dec 10 21:01
sebsebseb MinceR Dec 10 21:01
iophkkindofDec 10 21:01
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk does computer stuff ever make you feel sad?Dec 10 21:01
MinceRindeedDec 10 21:01
sebsebsebMinceR:  yeah it does with me at times for sureDec 10 21:01
iophkwhen can you meet with that other fellow and plan working together?Dec 10 21:01
sebsebsebiophk: at the meeting,  it's a group thingDec 10 21:02
iophkwhat about discussing before hand?Dec 10 21:02
sebsebsebcould eamil or something, but  not sure if  ther's much pointDec 10 21:02
iophkSee if he's onboard with MageiaDec 10 21:02
sebsebsebhe might be, but others aren'tDec 10 21:03
sebsebsebMinceR: how does it make you feel sad?Dec 10 21:03
MinceRby keeping me from accomplishing my ends via shoddy software (m$ and co.)Dec 10 21:03
MinceRby making me look bad in front of others (see above)Dec 10 21:04
sebsebsebMinceR: see what above, I didn't  see whateverDec 10 21:04
sebsebsebMinceR: makng look bad how?Dec 10 21:05
MinceRby making me fail to accomplish my tasksDec 10 21:06
sebsebsebwhich tasks?Dec 10 21:06
sebsebseband fail acomplishing them how?Dec 10 21:06
MinceRdependsDec 10 21:06
sebsebseband look bad how?Dec 10 21:06
sebsebsebMinceR: computers make you look bad howDec 10 21:07
sebsebsebor computer interests?Dec 10 21:07
MinceRsee aboveDec 10 21:08
sebsebsebI don't see anythingDec 10 21:08
sebsebsebaboveDec 10 21:08
sebsebsebjoined about 50 minutes agoDec 10 21:08
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sebsebsebMinceR: iophk I think for me,  sometimes these computer interests, effects other thingsDec 10 21:09
sebsebsebmaybe a bit more than just omeitmes dependsDec 10 21:09
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sebsebsebsomeitmes  being into computersDec 10 21:09
sebsebsebis a curse really rather than a blessingDec 10 21:09
sebsebsebnot sure if anyone knows what I Mean ?Dec 10 21:09
sebsebsebyep a bad thing, rathe than a good thingDec 10 21:10
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk know what I mean? ^Dec 10 21:10
iophkHow to make freedom popular?Dec 10 21:10
sebsebsebiophk: uh?Dec 10 21:10
sebsebsebno I am saying software freedom and all thatDec 10 21:10
sebsebsebit's ireivent in the wider picture of thingsDec 10 21:10
iophkThat's what some of it is about.Dec 10 21:10
sebsebsebthe wider bigger picutreDec 10 21:10
MinceRactually it's very relevantDec 10 21:10
sebsebsebDesktp Liux may never go main streameDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebetcDec 10 21:11
MinceRit's the difference between buying a computer for yourself and buying a computer for the m$/crApple/whoever else botnetDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebonly about a few million peopel use Desktop Linux goballyDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebout of the billions or so using WIndows or Mac OS XDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebMinceR: well yesDec 10 21:11
iophk>80% of smartphone use LinuxDec 10 21:11
MinceRand between owning your data vs. handing your data to someone else so that they can hold it hostageDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebMinceR: ,but  computers don't bring true happynessDec 10 21:11
MinceRand lease it to youDec 10 21:11
iophkprobably most serverrsDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebdon't you find?Dec 10 21:11
iophkmainframesDec 10 21:11
MinceRthe functionality of computers can contribute to happinessDec 10 21:12
sebsebsebok might find soe nice girl via the Internet whlist using a computer for exampleDec 10 21:12
iophk>98% of supercomputersDec 10 21:12
sebsebseb,but  in generalDec 10 21:12
iophklots of tvs, etc.Dec 10 21:12
sebsebsebcomputer interest don't bring true happyness etcDec 10 21:12
sebsebsebdon't tyou thinkDec 10 21:12
sebsebseb??Dec 10 21:12
MinceRyou can play games, watch videos, read stuff, learnDec 10 21:12
MinceRyou can gain and improve skillsDec 10 21:12
sebsebsebplaying games isn't true happyness thoughDec 10 21:12
MinceRmaybe not for youDec 10 21:12
sebsebsebfinding that special someone if they haven't already, I think is true happyness for most peopleDec 10 21:13
sebsebsebyes might find them using a computer, but the computer intersts them seles don't really bring true happyness, that's what I meanDec 10 21:13
MinceRfor those who have already found thatDec 10 21:13
MinceRwhat's "seles"?Dec 10 21:14
sebsebsebthemselvesDec 10 21:14
MinceRcomputers can also take work out of your hand, leaving more resources for things that bring more happinessDec 10 21:14
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR and Linux opensource/freesoftware is  very opinanted and polotical, and well  look what happens as a result,  what I Was on about earlier Dec 10 21:14
MinceRblame m$ and their kind for thatDec 10 21:14
iophkThe criteria defining Free software are clearly enummerated.Dec 10 21:15
MinceRthey're the ones who decided that the IT world belongs to them, regardless of whether they can get things done or notDec 10 21:15
iophkusuall "or not"Dec 10 21:15
sebsebsebMinceR: no  for the specic thing I was onabout earlier,  I gues blame upstream for that one uhDec 10 21:15
sebsebsebMinceR: that most distro's are so simiar,becuase of upstreamDec 10 21:15
sebsebsebusually that's a good thingDec 10 21:15
sebsebseb,but  then  well  what I put ealrierDec 10 21:15
MinceRthey're the ones who decided that there should be no competition in IT but totalitarian control in their handsDec 10 21:15
sebsebsebMinceR: ok sure, but then look what happensDec 10 21:16
sebsebsebMinceR: the Linux users for examle, get all opoinated and poloticalDec 10 21:16
sebsebsebabout what ditro's to use and what interfaceDec 10 21:16
iophkInterface is not a big deal.Dec 10 21:16
sebsebsebno  mine is what hsould be used, not yours, no yoursshould be, no no yours no no etcDec 10 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: for that event it isDec 10 21:16
MinceRall computer users do, who are aware of such choicesDec 10 21:16
iophkDistro is not a big deal as long as it follows the ideas behind Free software.Dec 10 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: in general not that big a deal, b ut for that event it is Dec 10 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: and  theres the idea for hte event, to use propritrary software, to help win people over to Linux from WIndowsDec 10 21:17
sebsebsebcodecs, Skype etcDec 10 21:17
sebsebsebiophk: free software alonewould be lacking, can't docertain thingsDec 10 21:18
iophkThere was a magazine that had a privacy remix of Ubuntu included in an issue.Dec 10 21:18
MinceRand to get them into suse so that they remain under m$'s thumb foreverDec 10 21:18
sebsebsebMinceR: yep  openSUSE being one of the distro'sDec 10 21:18
iophkM$ has to rope them in before they wander far.Dec 10 21:18
MinceRIT in general can't do certain thingsDec 10 21:18
MinceRand not because they're impossible in theoryDec 10 21:18
sebsebsebok sureDec 10 21:19
sebsebseb,butDec 10 21:19
sebsebsebif  Linux can't do something that WIndows can doDec 10 21:19
sebsebsebit's generally seen as a bad thing by manyDec 10 21:19
MinceRthe ribbon and metro will make them change their minds, thenDec 10 21:19
sebsebsebmany got used to that by now I thinkDec 10 21:20
sebsebsebthat was Office 2007Dec 10 21:20
iophkWindows has years of indoctrination to get people to fear other systems, even OS XDec 10 21:20
MinceRthen m$ will find a way to make things even worse for themDec 10 21:20
sebsebsebAndroid helps the experience another type of tech experience thoughDec 10 21:20
sebsebseband iOS if they got Iphones etcDec 10 21:20
sebsebsebhelps them aboveDec 10 21:20
sebsebsebquite a lot of people just tend to use hteir phone for everthing now or prety muchDec 10 21:21
sebsebsebinstead of their WIndows computerDec 10 21:21
iophkiphones and iPods gained market share for Apple on the desktop.  Dec 10 21:21
sebsebsebthey reolise that they get a better expereince  using the phone for their basic tasks, than their  WIndows computer,  but most don't really kow why that isDec 10 21:21
iophkThe same can happen with Android.Dec 10 21:21
iophkEspecially now with the potential 'end' of XPDec 10 21:21
sebsebsebiophk: oh that's to do with why having event when it wil beDec 10 21:21
sebsebseb,but Dec 10 21:22
sebsebsebI think I know what MinceR would thinkDec 10 21:22
sebsebsebgoing by his thumb comment from earlierDec 10 21:22
MinceRsuse can be an intermediate step towards better distros, but it's unnecessaryDec 10 21:23
iophkbest to go straight to the other distros, skip the M$ stepDec 10 21:23
sebsebsebMinceR: so you say, but yet loads of cmpanies use SUSE stllDec 10 21:23
MinceRjust because someone else is making bad decisions doesn't mean you have to do the sameDec 10 21:23
sebsebsebiophk: I guess  hopefully most go for Ubuntu or MintDec 10 21:23
iophkMint debian?Dec 10 21:24
sebsebsebnopeDec 10 21:24
sebsebsebstandard oneDec 10 21:24
iophk:(Dec 10 21:24
sebsebsebMinceR: sure, but  if a bad deicion has bene made regaridng the software choices for that, the visitors won't just knowDec 10 21:24
iophkfind some like minded people and plan an installfestDec 10 21:24
iophkusing stock distrosDec 10 21:24
iophkno respinsDec 10 21:24
sebsebsebiophk: to late for that now I thinkDec 10 21:24
sebsebsebor  for that kind of dateDec 10 21:24
iophkyou've got some months before AprilDec 10 21:25
sebsebsebiophk: I got Brusuels to celbrate the release of a good distro and such :DDec 10 21:25
sebsebsebcoming upDec 10 21:25
iophkyep Dec 10 21:25
iophkhttps://fosdem.org/2014/Dec 10 21:26
TechrightsBot-trfosdem.org | FOSDEM 2014 - HomeDec 10 21:26
sebsebsebyeahDec 10 21:26
sebsebsebiophk: and then local thing uh I guessDec 10 21:26
sebsebsebiophk: I haven't decided yet, but maybe I'll go to Amsterdam this time towDec 10 21:26
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sebsebsebwith someone quite a lot older who's coming from USADec 10 21:26
sebsebsebmeaning to emall himDec 10 21:27
sebsebsebbackDec 10 21:27
sebsebsebfind  out more about his plans etc :)Dec 10 21:27
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR I think another issue could have been qute simpally that Mageia wasn't seen as being "mainstreame" enough by themDec 10 21:27
sebsebsebthey wanted mainstreame distro'sDec 10 21:27
iophkCommunity distros are naturally a bit smaller.Dec 10 21:28
sebsebsebwell yeah trueDec 10 21:28
iophkIt's mainstream enough.Dec 10 21:28
sebsebseb,but the big paleyrs,  Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Deban etcDec 10 21:28
MinceRthey wanted mainstream crapDec 10 21:28
MinceRdebian is mainstream and better than what they've come up withDec 10 21:28
sebsebsebMinceR: ,but for a non technical user?Dec 10 21:28
MinceRprobably so's fedoraDec 10 21:28
MinceRnot sure what non-technicality has to do with itDec 10 21:29
sebsebsebwell Fedora got ruled out, since an idea that it would be a bit intermediateDec 10 21:29
MinceRintermediate what?Dec 10 21:29
sebsebsebMinceR: it's an eent aimed at non technicla peopleDec 10 21:29
sebsebsebwho odn't really know about LInuxDec 10 21:29
MinceRall i can bring up against fedora is that yum is less reliable than aptDec 10 21:29
sebsebsebI think Fedora would have been a good choie though, espeically with the remastering idea that came alongDec 10 21:29
sebsebsebpre install the codecs etc into Fedora and yeaDec 10 21:29
sebsebsebFedora 20 soonDec 10 21:30
sebsebsebDebian it would go aisnt their philsophey or whateverDec 10 21:30
sebsebseb,but could have put in the propriary stuff into a remaster of that toDec 10 21:30
sebsebsebagainst their aboveDec 10 21:30
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk oh  yeah this remind me, GNOME 3 got the worst Linux idea of 2013 according to Linux Journal poll uhDec 10 21:31
sebsebsebKDE got best deDec 10 21:31
sebsebseband things like thatDec 10 21:31
sebsebsebGNOME 3 is goo enough :)   and can  cusotmise it, or base on it and suchDec 10 21:31
iophkgnome is hard to customize last I heardDec 10 21:32
MinceRindeedDec 10 21:32
sebsebsebMinceR: indeed to which?Dec 10 21:32
sebsebsebno there are a few distro's based on GNOME 3 pingyOS etcDec 10 21:32
MinceRto being hard to customizeDec 10 21:32
iophkOlder versions I tried were all but impossible to customize.Dec 10 21:32
iophkHaven't bothered to look lately.  Gnome is so over.Dec 10 21:32
sebsebsebiophk: well Mageia and GNOME outDec 10 21:32
MinceRlast time i checked you had to bring out gconf-editor or equivalent to tell the damned thing to not sleep if you close the laptop lidDec 10 21:32
sebsebsebKDE n, but in openSUSE uhDec 10 21:32
MinceRthat's utterly retardedDec 10 21:32
sebsebsebGNOME 3 is better now trust meDec 10 21:33
iophkI'll take your word for it.Dec 10 21:33
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk yay Cinnamon a GNOME 3 fork by the Mint team,  instead of uhmmm something such as  LXFCE or LXDE hmmDec 10 21:33
sebsebsebhmm maybe   XFCE or LXDE would have been better reallly for that one, but I guess won't make much difference with CInnamon Dec 10 21:34
sebsebseband then Unity instead of GNOME ShellDec 10 21:34
iophkboth XFCE and LXDEDec 10 21:34
sebsebsebso  got two things that are whta htey are, becuase of GNOME 3 reallyDec 10 21:34
sebsebseb,but no GNOME 3  itselfDec 10 21:34
sebsebseband yep KDE thereDec 10 21:34
iophkthough LXDE  is moving to Qt or somethingDec 10 21:34
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR  appanratly someone left his LUG, because it was to Ubuntu, and  that  it was just a front for socialism orwhatever he was saying the other nightDec 10 21:35
sebsebsebnot really aboutsoftware freedomDec 10 21:35
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR so to political for him and so he leavsDec 10 21:36
MinceRlolDec 10 21:36
sebsebsebI think that's an issue right htre with Linux and other opensource/freesoftware in generalDec 10 21:36
sebsebsebas I was trying to say earierDec 10 21:37
MinceRyes, people being idiots is an issue in generalDec 10 21:37
sebsebsebit's way to opinated and political at timesDec 10 21:37
sebsebsebMinceR: who are you reffering to?Dec 10 21:37
MinceRthe "herp derp free software is socialism" crowdDec 10 21:37
MinceRstate socialism was all about dictatorical control from the top down on everything, so that's more m$/crApple if anythingDec 10 21:38
sebsebsebMinceR: well he said sociais is the worst sytemDec 10 21:38
iophkM$ is top-down, command-economy, centrally controlled ...Dec 10 21:38
sebsebsebworst out of the threeDec 10 21:38
iophkgtgDec 10 21:39
sebsebsebMinceR: what kind of society would you like to have?Dec 10 21:40
MinceRi would progress toward a less statist, more individualist, more free-market society and see what we can learn from itDec 10 21:41
sebsebsebwhat a help your naighbour societyDec 10 21:41
sebsebseb?Dec 10 21:41
MinceRthat would be a part of itDec 10 21:41
sebsebseband where there isn't really moneyDec 10 21:42
MinceRhuman nature being what it is now, you can't really expect any system to save us from itDec 10 21:42
sebsebseband  peopel don't just work for the system and things like thatDec 10 21:42
MinceRso it would have to be evolvedDec 10 21:42
MinceRi don't think money is evilDec 10 21:42
MinceRit's a useful toolDec 10 21:42
MinceRbut it shouldn't be worshippedDec 10 21:42
sebsebsebI think there's a lot of issues really with the worldDec 10 21:42
sebsebseb,but change takes time etcDec 10 21:43
sebsebsebMinceR: I think there's food down stiars waiting for me though, so yeah bye for nowDec 10 21:43
sebsebsebor back in a bitDec 10 21:43
sebsebsebor  not sure quteDec 10 21:43
MinceR:)Dec 10 21:43
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sebsebsebwhy ;0Dec 10 21:44
sebsebseb?Dec 10 21:44
sebsebsebthat's :)Dec 10 21:44
sebsebsebwas meant to be :)Dec 10 21:44
MinceRnot sure anymoreDec 10 21:44
MinceRprobably regarding the foodDec 10 21:44
sebsebseboh okDec 10 21:44
MinceRbut yes, there are a lot of issues and change takes timeDec 10 21:45
MinceR(and more than time)Dec 10 21:45
DaemonFCFirefox now supports h264 if you have the gstreamer plug in for that.Dec 10 21:46
DaemonFCIt'll also play it using the native codecs on Android, OS X, and Windows.Dec 10 21:46
MinceRi thought that wasn't newDec 10 21:46
DaemonFCIt's new in Firefox 26Dec 10 21:46
MinceRthey're adding support for some downloadable blob from fiasco nowDec 10 21:46
DaemonFCI guess it's easy to say they gave up, but really it's more or less Google's fault.Dec 10 21:46
MinceR(and they're trying to sell it as free software or open source...)Dec 10 21:47
DaemonFCIf Google had converted all videos on Youtube to WebM and yanked h264 from Chrome like they said they would....Dec 10 21:47
MinceRindeedDec 10 21:47
DaemonFCh264 would have already been done fore.Dec 10 21:47
DaemonFC*forDec 10 21:47
MinceRi have no idea what reason google could possibly have for not doing thatDec 10 21:47
DaemonFCIt was probably part of their deal with the MPEG-LA.Dec 10 21:48
DaemonFCThe one where the MPEG-LA let WebM users have a royalty free patent license for any MPEG-LA patents that WebM might infringe.Dec 10 21:48
MinceRpfftDec 10 21:48
MinceRthat deal was capitulation, thenDec 10 21:49
DaemonFCA lot of the terms of that deal are secret, but Google's decision to retain support for h264 in Chrome may have been one of the conditions.Dec 10 21:49
MinceRthe whole point of WebM was to be unencumberedDec 10 21:49
DaemonFCRight. Well, it was designed to try to avoid MPEG-LA's patents, but that doesn't mean it does.Dec 10 21:49
DaemonFCWhen things actually get to court, the definitions of what a patent covers are pretty "flexible".Dec 10 21:50
MinceRjust like in the m$ case, we will probably never find out if it doesDec 10 21:50
MinceRit was probably just some vague threats towards googleDec 10 21:50
DaemonFCI'd imagine that it does violate at least one or more.Dec 10 21:50
DaemonFCIt's hard to consider something so large not violating one of thousands of patents in a pool.Dec 10 21:51
DaemonFC*to not be violatingDec 10 21:51
DaemonFCSo, it probably hits at least one, or a few, no matter how careful they were.Dec 10 21:51
MinceRat least in light of sw patents being incredibly vague and that nobody dares attack them on grounds of validity or prior artDec 10 21:51
MinceR(i don't know why)Dec 10 21:51
DaemonFCBecause there's thousands more.Dec 10 21:52
DaemonFCIt's easier to pay up than try to fight 5,000 patents one by one.Dec 10 21:52
MinceR(perhaps patent lawyers expect their future living to depend on the system remaining as broken as it is now)Dec 10 21:52
MinceRwhat if the patent holder is made to pay for the costs of fighting every patent they lose?Dec 10 21:52
MinceRi guess the legal system doesn't work that wayDec 10 21:52
DaemonFCActually, a bill has been brought up in the House of Representatives that would do loser pays.Dec 10 21:53
DaemonFCI think it was called the Innovate Act or something.Dec 10 21:53
MinceRlet me guess, it lostDec 10 21:54
DaemonFCIt's still being considered.Dec 10 21:54
DaemonFCIf it passes, the Senate has until the beginning of the new Congress in January of 2015 to pass it.Dec 10 21:55
DaemonFCIf they don't, the bill dies and has to be reintroduced and passed in both chambers again.Dec 10 21:55
DaemonFCI don't know why that happens. Only about 5% of the House membership changes, and maybe 5-10% of the Senate.Dec 10 21:56
DaemonFCThey just don't have that much turnover.Dec 10 21:56
DaemonFCThey spent almost all of their time fundraising.Dec 10 21:57
DaemonFCAnyone that challenges them gets drowned out by all the spending that the incumbent can afford to do.Dec 10 21:58
DaemonFCPlus, most House districts are drawn to heavily favor one party.Dec 10 21:58
DaemonFCWhatever party is in control of the state that the district is in.Dec 10 21:58
DaemonFCMy district is so heavily gerrymandered for the Republican that it would take a major scandal and a right-wing Democrat on the same year to get rid of him.Dec 10 21:59
DaemonFCIt sucks.Dec 10 21:59
DaemonFCYou can write to them, but they don't really listen. They're much more interested in what people with money tell them to do than what voters want.Dec 10 22:00
DaemonFCMost legislation they bring up is actually a threat to get more money out of whatever industry wants less regulation.Dec 10 22:00
DaemonFCAnd some industries want more regulation.Dec 10 22:00
DaemonFCThe 2010 law that was supposed to reduce smoking rates did nothing to affect the smoking rate.Dec 10 22:01
DaemonFCIt just banned most types of imported cigarettes and more kinds of advertising.Dec 10 22:01
DaemonFCThe tobacco companies wrote the bill. They wanted no foreign competition, and to not have to pay to advertise to each others customers.Dec 10 22:02
DaemonFCSo they got what they wanted. :)Dec 10 22:02
DaemonFCIt reversed the Supreme Court and handed regulation of the tobacco companies over to the FDA.Dec 10 22:02
DaemonFCSo, the FDA is supposed to protect the public health (I know. Haha!).Dec 10 22:03
DaemonFCAnd now you've got them regulating cigarettes that kill people.Dec 10 22:03
DaemonFCSo the first thing they did was ban every flavor of cigarette with the exception for menthol.Dec 10 22:03
DaemonFCWhat a coincidence. Most flavors other than menthol are imports or from smaller companies.Dec 10 22:04
DaemonFC:)Dec 10 22:04
MinceRgnDec 10 22:15
DaemonFCMenthol is a really nasty ingredient when you mix it with tobacco.Dec 10 22:15
MinceRwhy?Dec 10 22:15
MinceRi thought nicotine and natural MAOIs were nasty enoughDec 10 22:16
DaemonFCThe menthol itself is perfectly safe, but it causes people to inhale more deeply and it makes it easier to breathe when the cigarettes are actually hurting your lung function long-term.Dec 10 22:16
MinceRicDec 10 22:16
DaemonFCI have an on and off addiction, and I usually smoke menthol cigarettes.Dec 10 22:16
DaemonFCBut I signed a petition to the FDA to ban menthol. They say they're considering it.Dec 10 22:16
DaemonFCIf they did that, it would have a huge effect on the number of people who smoke.Dec 10 22:17
MinceRor a huge effect on the black market of menthol cigarettes :>Dec 10 22:17
MinceRor menthol products designed to be added by the userDec 10 22:17
MinceRremember the prohibition era :>Dec 10 22:18
DaemonFCYeah. There would be a black market for them and they'd be smuggled in from Canada and Mexico.Dec 10 22:18
DaemonFCThe price would go way up though.Dec 10 22:18
DaemonFCBlack markets do that. So, fewer people could afford them.Dec 10 22:18
DaemonFC:)Dec 10 22:18
DaemonFCMinceR: I doubt many people would want them for $10 a pack.Dec 10 22:19
MinceRit would also lead to a rise in associated crimeDec 10 22:19
DaemonFCI don't see why it would be worse than what the war on drugs has caused.Dec 10 22:22
DaemonFCMarijuana is much less dangerous than the criminals that the prohibition has enabled to do business.Dec 10 22:22
DaemonFCBut, I could see a stronger demand for the stuff that's already banned than menthol cigarettes.Dec 10 22:22
DaemonFCIt's still legal to import enough clove cigarettes for personal consumption.Dec 10 22:23
DaemonFCI think you can import up to 10 cartons per year for yourself.Dec 10 22:23
DaemonFCBut reselling them is illegal.Dec 10 22:23
DaemonFCMinceR: It's also legal to make a certain amount of beer or wine for yourself, or to give away.Dec 10 22:24
DaemonFCAnd you don't owe any taxes on it.Dec 10 22:24
DaemonFCBut if you sell it, you've committed a felony.Dec 10 22:24
MinceRit seems very similar to the war on drugsDec 10 22:25
MinceRas tobacco _is_ a drugDec 10 22:25
DaemonFCWell, I hope I didn't disturb the neighbors too much last night....Dec 10 22:28
DaemonFCLOLDec 10 22:28
DaemonFCWhat they must think of me....Dec 10 22:28
DaemonFCI've met a few people on those personals sites. The first two went nowhere, but this seems to be heading in the right direction.Dec 10 22:29
DaemonFCWe were up all night watching movies and stuff.Dec 10 22:29
DaemonFCThose people on the side of the apartment where my TV is get mad at me for watching movies at a reasonable volume.Dec 10 22:30
DaemonFCThey complained the the landlord about it, so I had the landlord come in and I demonstrated the volume that I normally watch movies at, and she told them to get over it.Dec 10 22:30
DaemonFC*to theDec 10 22:30
DaemonFCShe said not to let them bother me, they complain about _everything_.Dec 10 22:31
DaemonFCI asked my other neighbor, the nice one, if I was bothering her. She said she couldn't hear my TV at all.Dec 10 22:31
DaemonFCBut, you get that living in apartments. There's a few nice neighbors, a few really mean ones, and a few that just pay you no attention at all.Dec 10 22:32
DaemonFCAt least none of them are criminals.Dec 10 22:32
DaemonFCI've lived in worse apartments before. Way worse.Dec 10 22:32
DaemonFCI switched my phone and Mobile Firefox over to use DuckDuckGo.Dec 10 22:33
DaemonFCThey have a really nice mobile app/site.Dec 10 22:34
DaemonFC:)Dec 10 22:34
*DaemonFC shares Switch to Windows with MinceR and giggles.Dec 10 22:36
DaemonFCI can't believe that Google actually allows that shit in their app store.Dec 10 22:36
DaemonFCMaybe they allowed it because it amuses them.Dec 10 22:36
DaemonFCIs anyone seriously going to switch from Android to Windows Phone? :PDec 10 22:37
DaemonFChttp://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304014504579250641152718248Dec 10 22:43
TechrightsBot-tronline.wsj.com | House, Senate Negotiators Set to Announce Budget Deal - WSJ.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g66o5 ]Dec 10 22:43
DaemonFCIt's already cheaper to get in my car and drive to most places than to take a plane.Dec 10 22:44
DaemonFCNow they're going to charge even more for plane tickets.\Dec 10 22:44
schestowitz__[22:39] <s-255> @wikileaks       Sweden was never denazified. Prior to 1945 itDec 10 22:51
schestowitz__[22:39] <s-255>                 supported Germany. After '44 Swedish utopianDec 10 22:51
schestowitz__[22:39] <s-255>                 fascism in the ruling class became moreDec 10 22:51
schestowitz__[22:39] <s-255>                 discreet.Dec 10 22:51
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DaemonFChttp://www.extremetech.com/gaming/166649-ps4-is-50-faster-than-xbox-one-report-game-developersDec 10 23:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.extremetech.com | PS4 is ’50% faster’ than Xbox One, report game developers | ExtremeTech  [ http://ur1.ca/g66wu ]Dec 10 23:42
DaemonFCSo the XBOX One version will probably be crippled.Dec 10 23:42
DaemonFCschestowitz__: I agree with Richard Stallman about gifts.Dec 10 23:54
DaemonFCI was talking to Tim about this. I said "Look, neither one of us are doing exceptionally well right now. We can go to dinner or something every once in a while, but I don't want you to buy anything for me for Christmas, I'm serious. Don't."Dec 10 23:55
DaemonFCWe were talking about that.Dec 10 23:55
DaemonFC:PDec 10 23:55
DaemonFCWe're both kind of stuck where we're at.Dec 10 23:55
DaemonFCI hate how these advertising cretins come out and tell people that you're a pile of shit if you don't spend money you don't have on Christmas and birthdays and expensive engagement/wedding rings.Dec 10 23:56
DaemonFCWe're kind of lucky in one way. He works at a restaurant, so whenever we want to have dinner, we just eat there and it's half price.Dec 10 23:59
DaemonFCIt's like every year, I feel like I'm in a vice, and it's getting tighter.Dec 10 23:59
DaemonFCThere is no recovery for a lot of people.Dec 10 23:59
DaemonFCI'm starting to really see that now.Dec 11 00:00
DaemonFCIf I get a 1% raise next year, then my rent, cable, food, and gas expenses will go up an average of 3-5%.Dec 11 00:00
DaemonFCIt's been going in this direction for like five years now.Dec 11 00:01
DaemonFCI've pushed back against that where I can, but even that's starting to become less of a way to get some spending money out of my budget, and more of something I just have to do to get by.Dec 11 00:02
DaemonFCI've become more obsessed with gimmicks like credit card rebates and coupons, and so on.Dec 11 00:02
DaemonFCThat's actually brought more money back into my budget than my usual raises.Dec 11 00:02
DaemonFCI can already feel next year getting tighter. My rent went up less than I thought it would. Only going up 1.3%. :PDec 11 00:04
DaemonFCEverything is going up faster than the raise will be though.Dec 11 00:04
DaemonFCSuch a joke.Dec 11 00:04
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DaemonFCThat gas app on my phone has been pretty helpful. I can look at all the stations in the area that I plan to travel in and make sure I pull over at the cheapest station. That's cool. It's only a couple dollars per tank, but it's something. :PDec 11 00:05
DaemonFCMy step-mother still hasn't found work. She's been unemployed for a little over five years now iirc.Dec 11 00:08
DaemonFCThe irony was that she was a claims "adjuster" for a health insurance company, and they fired her because she's not in good health.Dec 11 00:08
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DaemonFCThat point where you're going through the ashtray looking for half-smoked cigarettes....Dec 11 00:43
DaemonFChttp://androidandme.com/2013/12/news/nokia-normandy-said-to-be-low-cost-handset-running-custom-version-of-android/Dec 11 00:49
TechrightsBot-trandroidandme.com | Nokia ‘Normandy’ said to be low-cost handset running custom version of Android |  Android and Me  [ http://ur1.ca/g675c ]Dec 11 00:49
DaemonFCNokia is doing Android finally.Dec 11 00:49
DaemonFCIf they get acquired by Microsoft, I'm sure that the first order of business will be to halt production and stop support for devices already sold.Dec 11 00:50
DaemonFCMight not be the best idea to buy it.Dec 11 00:50
DaemonFChttp://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/lg-g2-mini-with-snapdragon-800-chipset-47-inch-display-in-the-works-report-457067Dec 11 00:51
TechrightsBot-trgadgets.ndtv.com | LG G2 mini with Snapdragon 800 chipset, 4.7-inch display in the works: Report | NDTV Gadgets  [ http://ur1.ca/g675m ]Dec 11 00:51
DaemonFCI have the full sized 5.2 inch LG G2.Dec 11 00:52
DaemonFCI love it.Dec 11 00:52
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DaemonFCI'm generally in favor of the auto industry bailouts. The auto industry makes products. The financial sector, which got 100 times more money than the auto industry, makes people poor and in debt.Dec 11 05:31
DaemonFCThe auto industry provides more than 2 million jobs, the financial industry produces assholes that buy $10,000 hamburgers and $75 ice cubes for their $20,000 scotch whisky.Dec 11 05:31
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 9 minutes ago · Edited ·Dec 11 05:31
Snowleaksangefinancial sector benefits humanity..Dec 11 05:33
Snowleaksangeprovides liquity and makes markets efficientDec 11 05:33
Snowleaksangeif it werent for speculators would take long time to buy/sell stuff and would be lot of price uncertaintyDec 11 05:34
Snowleaksangespeculators/tradersDec 11 05:35
DaemonFCThanks to speculators, the price can soar even in the middle of a supply glut.Dec 11 05:35
DaemonFCWhat would we do without them? :)Dec 11 05:35
Snowleaksangeliquidity*Dec 11 05:35
DaemonFCIn the end, what people are willing to pay usually helps control price inflation.Dec 11 05:37
DaemonFCBut, when you are talking things like food or fuel to run their cars and power and heat their homes....Dec 11 05:38
DaemonFCNot really optional, so they charge basically whatever they feel like.Dec 11 05:38
DaemonFCYou can't do much to fight back against that. Turn the heat down. Then they up the price for electricity/gas some more and you're back to paying what you were before, only the house is colder.Dec 11 05:39
DaemonFCCable TV price inflation is getting pretty wicked. Comcast sent me out a list of their normal non-promo prices for stuff.Dec 11 05:39
DaemonFCThe cable TV bills are going up $5. So, that's kind of regressive.Dec 11 05:40
Snowleaksangesounds lime monopoly / duopoly / cartelsDec 11 05:40
DaemonFCPeople who don't subscribe to many channels get hit harder.Dec 11 05:40
Snowleaksangeprice gouging is crimeDec 11 05:40
DaemonFCI threw out the cable TV a LONG time ago.Dec 11 05:41
DaemonFCHoly shit. You want to talk about crazy?Dec 11 05:41
DaemonFCTheir basic packages are over $100 a month, by the time they get you for the packages, hidden fees, equipment rental, per-jack fees, etc.Dec 11 05:41
DaemonFCAnd cable TV inflation was hitting double digits for a few years there.Dec 11 05:42
DaemonFCSo there's no telling what it costs now.Dec 11 05:43
DaemonFCI think I'll go figure that out.Dec 11 05:43
DaemonFCWhat my mom didn't understand was that those bundle prices are not good deals.Dec 11 05:44
DaemonFCThey talked her into buying phone service she never used...channels they never watch...Dec 11 05:44
DaemonFCThen they kept telling her that she was saving all kinds of money because they were hitting her up for an extra $40 in "services" she didn't really use.Dec 11 05:45
DaemonFCThose bundle prices are bullshit anyway.Dec 11 05:45
DaemonFCYou threaten to cancel, you get better prices.Dec 11 05:45
DaemonFCI've had their internet for over two years now and haven't ever paid close to full price for it.Dec 11 05:45
DaemonFCThis last time I was a bit more forceful and got my bill down to $29.99 a month.Dec 11 05:46
DaemonFCThat's for their $69.99 plan.Dec 11 05:46
DaemonFCSo there's a lot of room for negotiation, and she doesn't get that.Dec 11 05:46
DaemonFCOf course they're happy to let people who pay full price keep paying it.Dec 11 05:47
DaemonFCSome people get the high speed internet plan for $70, some people get it for $30. It just depends on whether or not you're willing to cut it off if you have to pay too much. If they think you will, they work with you.Dec 11 05:47
DaemonFCMy mom and my stepdad are the kind of people who refuse to budget.Dec 11 05:49
DaemonFCThey'd rather each spend another 10-15 hours at work every week than to figure out how to get more done with less.Dec 11 05:49
DaemonFCSo they're always running around scrabbling for more money and complaining t hat they're broke.Dec 11 05:50
Snowleaksangenegotiating ability is great skill to haveDec 11 05:51
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DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 11 06:01
DaemonFCWhat gets me is when religious charities, which operate mostly on money from the government, whose total annual expenditures amount to roughly 6% of the federal SNAP funding, say that we need to kill off SNAP and let private charity take on the needs of the many.Dec 11 06:01
DaemonFCIt can't even handle the load that it has now. When the people actually show up, after about two weeks into the month, with nothing left on the SNAP card, they complain that having to handle half the total need is more than they are set up to deal with.Dec 11 06:01
DaemonFCOf course right-wingers are generally fine with religious organizations taking taxpayer money and inefficiently using it to distribute some food. The goal is to make people show up for religious services, starving, so that they may beg for something to eat.Dec 11 06:01
DaemonFCSnowleaksange: I'd rather argue the price of things down than try to find a way to make more money.Dec 11 06:01
DaemonFCMaking more money is harder than figuring out where you're bleeding from and patching it up.Dec 11 06:01
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DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 11 06:20
DaemonFCIn America, we now have Thanksgiving Lite and Thanksgiving, along with Christmas Lite and Christmas.Dec 11 06:20
DaemonFCThe middle class and rich gather around the dinner table and enjoy each others company over good homemade food, and the people who work at places like Walmart and McDonalds get Holiday Lite, where they show up for $7 an hour (or else), and eat a fun size bag of chips on their lunch break.Dec 11 06:20
DaemonFCThere is a person who I know, that is a nurse, and is making $50 an hour if she works on any major holiday, and apparently you just get totally disconnected from reality at this point. She said "I don't see what the big deal is. *I* have to work that day!".Dec 11 06:20
DaemonFCI said "Yes, for seven times as much money, good health insurance, a pension and a 401(k), and to do a job that needs to be done. Not selling toys and artificial food for $7 an hour."Dec 11 06:20
DaemonFCI mean, think about that for a second. She makes more in one hour than they do in an eight hour shift (if they can get one), and can't see the difference between being a nurse and selling cheap crap that people don't need.Dec 11 06:20
DaemonFChttp://www.salon.com/2013/12/09/get_a_clue_mcdonald%E2%80%99s_chain_tells_workers_how_much_to_tip_their_pool_cleaners_dog_walkers_and_masseuses/Dec 11 06:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.salon.com | Get a clue, McDonald’s: Chain tells workers how much to tip their pool cleaners, dog walkers, and masseuses - Salon.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g6855 ]Dec 11 06:31
DaemonFC"In July, the campaign highlighted a sample budget McDonalds offered for workers, which imagined an employee working two jobs and still devoting zero dollars to heat. In October, an activist worker recorded and shared her call to the company’s McResources hotline in which a counselor suggested she “would most likely be eligible” for food stamps, which “takes a lot of pressure off how much money yu spend on groceries.” And last monthDec 11 06:31
DaemonFC the SEIU-backed effort seized on a McResources website offering advice on budgeting, stress, and diet which included cutting food into smaller pieces and spending more time at church."Dec 11 06:31
Snowleaksangehttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-24/cost-ultrawealthy-uberclass-1500-workerDec 11 06:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | The Cost Of An Ultrawealthy Uberclass: $1500 Per Worker | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g686r ]Dec 11 06:51
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DaemonFCMight as well use uTorrent for Android.Dec 11 08:16
DaemonFCThere don't seem to be any Free bittorrent apps.Dec 11 08:16
DaemonFCFrostwire was, until it wasn't.Dec 11 08:16
DaemonFCF-Droid still has an outdated version that they removed Google's proprietary advertising library from.Dec 11 08:17
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iophkold - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/30/a-ceo-who-resisted-nsa-spying-is-out-of-prison-and-he-feels-vindicated-by-snowden-leaks/Dec 11 09:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | A CEO who resisted NSA spying is out of prison. And he feels ‘vindicated’ by Snowden leaks.  [ http://ur1.ca/g68oa ]Dec 11 09:18
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MinceRmight as well run rTorrent or Transmission on GNU on Android.Dec 11 09:37
MinceRgeekingsDec 11 09:49
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iophkhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2428164,00.aspDec 11 10:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcmag.com | 20 Years Later: A Look Back at My Doom Love Affair | News & Opinion  | PCMag.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g68zo ]Dec 11 10:38
iophkhttp://falkvinge.net/2013/12/10/rick-falkvinges-list-of-stone-dead-industries-today/Dec 11 10:46
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/panic-as-thousands-receive-fines-for-streaming-redtube-videos-131210/Dec 11 10:46
TechrightsBot-trfalkvinge.net | Rick Falkvinge's 2013 List Of Stone Dead Industries - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/g690e ]Dec 11 10:46
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Panic as Thousands Receive ‘Fines’ For Streaming RedTube Videos | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g690f ]Dec 11 10:46
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/10509498/Selfie-diplomacy-Michelle-Obama-looks-unamused-by-Baracks-joking-with-Danish-prime-minister.htmlDec 11 11:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | 'Selfie' diplomacy: Michelle Obama looks unamused by Barack's joking with Danish prime minister   - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g697o ]Dec 11 11:37
iophkonce again Windows to the rescue - http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/security/62601-china-hacked-europe-before-g20-reportsDec 11 11:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.itwire.com | China hacked Europe before G20: reports  [ http://ur1.ca/g697t ]Dec 11 11:39
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iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2318462/angry-birds-go-is-strong-to-the-finnishDec 11 13:14
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Angry Birds Go is strong to the Finnish- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g69jd ]Dec 11 13:14
Sosumihttp://rt.com/news/time-pope-francis-person-2013-058/Dec 11 13:17
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/g69jo ]Dec 11 13:17
Sosumitime crapazine chooses the pope for person of the yearDec 11 13:17
Sosumiinstead of Snowden for his confirmationsDec 11 13:17
iophkSnowden has had and will likely have more positive impact over the next few years.Dec 11 13:18
iophkHis whisleblowing has been in the news every week so far.Dec 11 13:19
iophkhttp://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/12/11/anger-over-hoax-mandela-memorial-sign-language-interpretorDec 11 13:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.sbs.com.au | 'Fake' Mandela memorial sign language interpreter provokes anger | SBS News  [ http://ur1.ca/g69k3 ]Dec 11 13:19
Sosumiduno, I actually think that outside a certain circles, ppl have already forgottenDec 11 13:19
Sosumisnowden for me only pops up on RTDec 11 13:20
Sosuminothing elseDec 11 13:20
iophkI see some on some tech news sites.Dec 11 13:20
iophkBut many people still use MSN, Hotmail, and so on.Dec 11 13:20
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founder-held-in-solitary-confinement-without-a-warrant-131211/Dec 11 13:27
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Pirate Bay Founder Held in Solitary Confinement Without a Warrant | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g69lh ]Dec 11 13:27
Sosumihttp://rt.com/usa/snowden-leak-rng-randomness-019/Dec 11 13:31
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/g69m0 ]Dec 11 13:31
Sosumi‘We cannot trust them anymore’: Engineers abandon encryption chips after Snowden leaksDec 11 13:31
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Sosumihttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU0MTADec 11 18:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Activision Is Preventing A Game From Coming To Linux  [ http://ur1.ca/g6azt ]Dec 11 18:59
Sosumihttp://www.vulnerability-lab.com/get_content.php?id=1168Dec 11 19:07
SosumiPhone Drive Eightythree 4.1.1 iOS - Multiple VulnerabilitiesDec 11 19:07
SosumiiOS doesn't even have proper file management softwareDec 11 19:08
Sosumineeding to rely on third party tools, lolDec 11 19:08
MinceRafaik it doesn't even allow its crApps to access the same directoriesDec 11 19:27
MinceRif it even allows them to access a filesystem at allDec 11 19:27
MinceRjailbreaking can help, but the system and its APIs still aren't designed with this in mindDec 11 19:27
Sosumino ideaDec 11 19:31
Sosumibuty from what I heard jailbraking broke the encryption on the iphoneDec 11 19:32
Sosumiif it ever was well implementedDec 11 19:32
Sosumiwhich I have no ideaDec 11 19:32
Sosumibut from what I heard of the iphone 3g back in 2009 at the defconDec 11 19:32
Sosumiit was uselessDec 11 19:33
MinceRwell, it's untrustworthyDec 11 19:35
Sosumibut if someone donates me a recent hypephone I'll check it for sure :)Dec 11 19:35
Sosumiofc I'll see the phone laterDec 11 19:35
MinceRsince the customer/user is not in control and it isn't even free softwareDec 11 19:35
MinceRoh, and crApple being as sleazy as they are, of courseDec 11 19:36
Sosumisleazy and lazyDec 11 19:36
Sosumithey can't even come up with prompt security updatesDec 11 19:36
Sosumieven up to this dayDec 11 19:36
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Sosumiwait, silly me, OSX is totally secure, it's Unix!Dec 11 22:04
Sosumieven through XNU - XNU is not UnixDec 11 22:04
Sosumiapple propaganda :PDec 11 22:06
MinceRlolDec 11 22:08
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schestowitz__" I was glad to see you took over the helm, the content seems even better now. "Dec 11 22:47
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Sosumithey actually wrote that on their science pageDec 11 23:25
SosumiOSX is secure because it was built on a solid unix foundationDec 11 23:25
Sosuminot my words, theirsDec 11 23:25
MinceRgnDec 11 23:52
schestowitz__the FOSS trolls at it again http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/84434Dec 11 23:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.networkworld.com | Objectivity in the Linux world  [ http://ur1.ca/g6c8a ]Dec 11 23:58
schestowitz__networkworld loves emDec 11 23:58
schestowitz__IDGDec 11 23:58
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/new-android-threats-could-turn-some-phones-into-remote-bugging-devices/Dec 11 23:59
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | New Android threats could turn some phones into remote bugging devices | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g6c8k ]Dec 11 23:59
Sosumiwasn't bugging for at least, law enforcement, a feature?Dec 12 00:00
Sosumireferring to both ios and androidDec 12 00:01
schestowitz__yeahDec 12 00:10
schestowitz__might get corporate media endorsementDec 12 00:10
schestowitz__state-approvedDec 12 00:10
schestowitz__meaning secure in the national security senseDec 12 00:10
schestowitz__a punch in the natsecDec 12 00:10
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3398530Dec 12 00:11
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Protest over free education for all Quebec children ends peacefully http://globalnews.ca/news/1020900/quebec-ministry-offices-occupied-for-childrens-right-to-free-education/ #protest #canadaDec 12 00:11
TechrightsBot-tr-> globalnews.ca | Protest over free education for all Quebec children ends peacefully - Montreal | Globalnews.ca  [ http://ur1.ca/g6cak ]Dec 12 00:11
schestowitz__"Well that's a change of pace.'Dec 12 00:11
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3398342Dec 12 00:11
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Uruguay legalizes sale and production of marijuana rt.com/news/uruguay-legalizes-sale-marijuana-987/ maybe prohibition didn't workDec 12 00:11
schestowitz__"según me contaron los que intentan probar esto algunas personalidades como los de Monsanto y otros poderosos... pero creo que la Marihuana tiene grandes beneficios... podrían aplicarse a la medicina de forma más abierta."Dec 12 00:11
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Sosumiand news about DRM and leased data aka steam/origin games, amazon swindle books, etcDec 12 00:53
Sosumiactually not newsDec 12 00:54
Sosumibut given the use google, M$, crapple, facebook, etc do with the data we put onDec 12 00:54
Sosumiwhy can't I DRM my personal infoDec 12 00:54
Sosumiso in case I close my account with said service I have the guarantee I take my data with meDec 12 00:55
Sosumiin many cases you can't close your account.... and nothing guarantees they actually delete the dataDec 12 00:55
Sosumicall it reverse DRMDec 12 00:56
Sosumiin which I lease my data for X service for X amount of timeDec 12 00:56
Sosumijust like steam/origin and swindle doesDec 12 00:57
Sosumiand actually have that put on TOSDec 12 00:57
Sosumithat wall of text that no one readsDec 12 00:58
Snowleaksangehttp://www.chaum.com/articles/Security_Wthout_Identification.htmDec 12 01:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.chaum.com | Sec w/o ID  [ http://ur1.ca/g6clw ]Dec 12 01:23
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DaemonFCshared Raise The Minimum Wage's photo.Dec 12 04:03
DaemonFC4 minutes ago · EditedDec 12 04:03
DaemonFCI'd still rather have a Starbucks in Huntington, than that Coffee D'Vine, which is ran by Tea Party scum. I will never spend any of my money at that store.Dec 12 04:03
DaemonFCThe federal minimum wage needs to go up, which would help out everyone that works for a large, profitable, minimum wage employer.Dec 12 04:03
DaemonFCA lot of people who make more money get very pretentious and argue that the extremely poor deserve to be extremely poor because "they're not doing anything that important".Dec 12 04:04
DaemonFCI'd like to test that theory. Let's give everyone that makes under $10 an hour the week off and see what happens. Pretty soon, when you're unable to shop, eat out, buy groceries, see a movie, or get a cup of coffee, you'll figure it out.Dec 12 04:04
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DaemonFCshared The Other 98%'s photo.Dec 12 04:11
DaemonFCabout a minute agoDec 12 04:11
DaemonFCCorporatism pretty much killed Home Economics.Dec 12 04:11
DaemonFCThe last thing that the corporatocracy wants is a nation of frugal people who know how to draw up a monthly budget.Dec 12 04:11
DaemonFCThey want people who are always having to scrabble for more money because of high interest credit cards and children. Dec 12 04:11
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AgnesiSnowleaksange, lose the card or have it stolen and you lose your login credentials for everythingDec 12 07:31
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Sosumiand imagine if the login database for the card was to be hackedDec 12 07:35
Sosumithe, well the crackers (using the right term), would get your login credentials for everything in a single blowDec 12 07:36
Sosumithose one do it all solutions don't work in the real worldDec 12 07:37
Sosumijust keep different passwords for everything the way you shouldDec 12 07:38
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DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1459723_10151849476828581_1929632909_n.jpgDec 12 08:52
MinceRnational brotherhood weekDec 12 08:54
MinceRgeekingsDec 12 09:15
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3397187Dec 12 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Time for Freedom-Respecting Routers Has ComeDec 12 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Time for Freedom-Respecting Routers Has Come | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g68c6 ]Dec 12 09:24
schestowitz__"<a href="http://librewrt.org/">LibreWRT</a> <a href="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html">is free</a>."Dec 12 09:24
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TechrightsBot-trlibrewrt.org | LibreWRTDec 12 09:24
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | List of Free GNU/Linux Distributions - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/4bk6 ]Dec 12 09:24
schestowitz__"I built one of these a few years back as a hobby project. http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ Maybe time to dust it off and power it up again.."Dec 12 09:24
TechrightsBot-trleaf.sourceforge.net | LEAF — Linux Embedded Appliance FirewallDec 12 09:24
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3396446Dec 12 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #drone strikes "began in the #Bush administration and has significantly widened under the #Obama administration." http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/391087-drone-wars-whats-the-right-policy/Dec 12 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theepochtimes.com | Drone Wars: What’s the Right Policy? » The Epoch Times  [ http://ur1.ca/g66sh ]Dec 12 09:25
schestowitz__"<b>...and the civilised world ...</b> <br></b> u made my day :D"Dec 12 09:25
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3396642Dec 12 09:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Informing the American people about how their government spies on them can be risky business for journalists." http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/09/technology/security/snowden-new-york-times/index.htmlDec 12 09:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> money.cnn.com | Snowden docs had NYTimes exec fearing for his life - Dec. 9, 2013  [ http://ur1.ca/g66rh ]Dec 12 09:26
schestowitz__"Oh really ... scary ... what a wimpy executive. What a big baby."Dec 12 09:26
schestowitz__""I don't want to see anything on those drives. I could be putting my life at risk." With journalists like that, who needs a paper?"Dec 12 09:26
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3397605Dec 12 09:34
TechrightsBot-tr@atomjack@diasp.org: > ----Dec 12 09:34
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.huffingtonpost.com | The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought  [ http://ur1.ca/g6emb ]Dec 12 09:34
schestowitz__"<strong> <a data-hovercard='/people/da68a1f811b0f71e' href="/u/schestowitz" class='mention hovercardable' >Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)</a> </strong><sup> 11/12/2013 11:26:26</sup> The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/10/nsa-reachn4420939.html 3 hops=almost everyone <sub>via <a data-hovercard='/people/0b0498e2475ba7a6' href="/u/willhill" class='mention hovercardable' >Will Hill</Dec 12 09:34
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/10/nsa-reachn4420939.html )Dec 12 09:34
schestowitz__a><br /></sub> #nsa #surveillance #privacy"Dec 12 09:34
DaemonFCThe temperature has fallen to -2. :PDec 12 09:48
DaemonFCChilly....Dec 12 09:48
iophk1http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029473.200-americas-hidden-epidemic-of-tropical-diseases.htmlDec 12 10:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.newscientist.com | America's hidden epidemic of tropical diseases - health - 11 December 2013 - New Scientist  [ http://ur1.ca/g6erx ]Dec 12 10:09
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TechrightsBot-trwww.itwire.com | Koha wins trademark stoush with US defence contractor  [ http://ur1.ca/g6ety ]Dec 12 10:21
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DaemonFCIn the hospital with my step dad.Dec 12 13:25
DaemonFCHe's getting his knee surgery today.Dec 12 13:25
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403266Dec 12 13:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA forces novelist to can his book http://news.techeye.net/business/nsa-forces-novelist-to-can-his-book "NSA has been doing exactly what he described in his books." #nsaDec 12 13:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.techeye.net | NSA forces novelist to can his book - Sci-Fi writer cancels trilogy | TechEye  [ http://ur1.ca/g6fnh ]Dec 12 13:31
schestowitz__'to lough or to cry ? only thing that has not happened out of his "fiction book" is scotland gaining independence :D"Dec 12 13:32
DaemonFCHe hurt his knee at work. Dec 12 13:36
DaemonFCMight be on medical leave for a few weeks.Dec 12 13:37
DaemonFCHospital has Wi-Fi.seems pretty fastDec 12 13:38
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403309Dec 12 13:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Our audience debate whether the U.S. should halt the use of drones in warfare." http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/12/11/top-comments-dronesalloftheimperialismnoneoftherisk.htmlDec 12 13:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> america.aljazeera.com | Top comments: "How can a machine honor human rights?" | Al Jazeera America  [ http://ur1.ca/g6flv ]Dec 12 13:39
schestowitz__"taht creature has only two words ; "reaper drones" . <br></br> <b>you'll never see them coming</b> <br></br> and the guy gets the nobel prize :D"Dec 12 13:39
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/former-megaupload-users-are-victims-too-eff-tells-court-131212/Dec 12 13:40
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Former Megaupload Users Are Victims Too, EFF Tells Court | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g6for ]Dec 12 13:40
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3402995Dec 12 13:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How long before #guardian or others (non in the #uk for sure) gets around to covering this facility? http://www.daelnet.co.uk/features/menwithhill/Dec 12 13:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.daelnet.co.uk | menwith hill - the original big brother  [ http://ur1.ca/g6fpx ]Dec 12 13:48
schestowitz__"My dad pointed it out to me a few years back. I think the problem with it is that it has been forgotten so who knows what they're doing with it. I just assume they're spying."Dec 12 13:48
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3396606Dec 12 13:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![](https://24.media.tumblr.com/8f282f58086a85f738a8f11a2418d03d/tumblr_mlaou3GKai1qbr8m0o1_500.jpg)  Dec 12 13:52
schestowitz__"I totally agree!"Dec 12 13:52
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iophkhttp://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/article/Sexual-harassment-dropped-from-boy-s-record-5058043.phpDec 12 15:03
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iophkhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/12/nsa-chief-defends-phone-spying-there-no-other-way/Dec 12 15:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtontimes.com | NSA chief defends phone spying: ‘There is no other way’ - Washington Times  [ http://ur1.ca/g6g1b ]Dec 12 15:21
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/dredeyedick/status/411146612673486848  https://twitter.com/dredeyedick/status/411147185464426496Dec 12 15:36
TechrightsBot-tr@dredeyedick: @schestowitz Those who instigated signature strike #drones engagement policy must be tried at the #ICC cc @peterkemplawyer @BiancaJaggerDec 12 15:36
TechrightsBot-tr@dredeyedick: @schestowitz @peterkemplawyer @BiancaJagger Reprise - Collateral War Crimes 2010 film I made http://t.co/XrOMXVv8pG http://t.co/zsMWrD2z1yDec 12 15:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.viddler.com | "Collateral War Crimes" - Videos - ViddlerDec 12 15:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.viddler.com | "Collateral War Crimes - Medium - NTSC" - Videos - ViddlerDec 12 15:36
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iophkIs this secondary processor preventing truly free phones?Dec 12 16:33
iophkhttp://www.androidauthority.com/smartphones-have-a-second-os-317800/Dec 12 16:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.androidauthority.com | Smartphones use a 2nd CPU and 2nd OS in their baseband processors  [ http://ur1.ca/g6gah ]Dec 12 16:33
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schestowitz__[16:33] <s-255> @CasparBowden    Blimey! IAPP audience! RT @DailyDashboardDec 12 16:43
schestowitz__[16:33] <s-255> retweeted by    "@ioerror gets applause with call for "leakDec 12 16:43
schestowitz__[16:33] <s-255> @glynmoody      more documents!" #DPCongress"Dec 12 16:43
schestowitz__[16:33] <s-255> ........................................  http://ur1.ca/g6gaiDec 12 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr@CasparBowden: Blimey! IAPP audience! RT @DailyDashboard "@ioerror gets applause with call for "leak more documents!" #DPCongress"Dec 12 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr  (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)Dec 12 16:43
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403568Dec 12 17:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If project "Normandy" someone saves #nokia from #microsoft #entryism will that make Microsoft the "Nazis"?Dec 12 17:04
schestowitz__"Yep, I understand, I just answer the question with my point of view. I never said you did it. I appologize if I make a misunderstood"Dec 12 17:04
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403835Dec 12 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Avoid Oracle’s ‘Unbreakable’ Linux, Support Red Hat Enterprise Linux Instead http://techrights.org/2013/12/12/red-hat-enterprise-linux/ #oracle #redhatDec 12 17:05
schestowitz__"Avoid Red Hat Enterprise Linux, support incommercial Debian instead."Dec 12 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Avoid Oracle’s ‘Unbreakable’ Linux, Support Red Hat Enterprise Linux Instead | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g6ge4 ]Dec 12 17:05
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403613Dec 12 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Guardian hypocrites. #Guardian received millions in bribes from #billgates for #propaganda just like #bbc http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/12/bbc-declare-interests-contributors-tobaccoDec 12 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | The BBC must declare the interests of its contributors, or lose our trust | George Monbiot | Comment is free | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g6fx6 ]Dec 12 17:05
schestowitz__"Thanks, but reading the most likely looking piece I'm non the wiser about the "funding". It's mentioned again and again, but without explanation or reference that I could see. Can you give me the link to a piece that contains the detail of what this funding is? Thanks"Dec 12 17:05
schestowitz__The links are deeper inside, tens of millions of pounds given with strings attached.Dec 12 17:06
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403835Dec 12 17:06
schestowitz__"Avoid #redhat because of #gnome3 , or because of their ties with #nsa and amerikkkan #dod ."Dec 12 17:06
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403591Dec 12 17:06
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ownCloud 6 Community Edition Officially Released with Innovative Features http://news.softpedia.com/news/ownCloud-6-Community-Edition-Officially-Released-with-Innovative-Features-408130.shtml I described it to RMS, he said it's OKDec 12 17:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | ownCloud 6 Community Edition Officially Released with Innovative Features  [ http://ur1.ca/g6ge9 ]Dec 12 17:06
schestowitz__"I upgraded last night and am fairly impressed. The only things that have been problematic are some of the third party applications that I use daily are not compatible with version 6 yet. I've done a bit of playing with the new Documents app and it seems to do a bang up job of rendering .odt files, even if they have a bit of funky formatting. Overall, I'm quite pleased."Dec 12 17:06
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_GoblinIf anyone hasn't seen the "new" net TV channel "The Peoples Voice" - I heartily recommend it, its run by good old David Jesus Icke, its got lizards, its got conspiracies and currently its talking about TV mind control by a person who claims to be friends with transdimensional star people....its a hoot...you can't pay for this type of entertainment.Dec 12 22:11
_GoblinI thought I'd found strange folk on Usenet....they have nothing on this lot.Dec 12 22:12
Sosumiwatch out for the reptilian shape shifting clone of pharaoh akenathonDec 12 22:50
SosumiobozoDec 12 22:50
Sosumithat stuff is all BS and are using the ideas on the book "Vril, the Power of the Coming Race"Dec 12 22:52
Sosumiwritten by Ed Bulwer Lytton in 1871Dec 12 22:52
Sosumihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril:_The_Power_of_the_Coming_RaceDec 12 22:52
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Vril - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/g6hnp ]Dec 12 22:52
Sosumiit's REALDec 12 22:52
Sosumiand I have a copy of itDec 12 22:56
Sosumiin pdf so I won't be able to wipe my ars with itDec 12 22:56
Sosumiunless I print it that isDec 12 22:56
SosumibrbDec 12 22:57
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SosumiI think Helena Blavatski also based much of her crap on thatDec 12 23:08
Sosumiwith the whole thing of the "hidden masters"Dec 12 23:08
Sosumiwhich is the same crap Ike talks about, since he's a plagiaristDec 12 23:08
Sosumidon't forget, when Hitlery Clington tells you that GOD told her to run for presidentDec 12 23:10
Sosumi /pukeDec 12 23:10
Sosumiit might be a reptilian whispering into her hearDec 12 23:10
Sosumi:PDec 12 23:10
Sosumisilly UFOol pplDec 12 23:11
MinceRgnDec 13 00:18
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3404323Dec 13 00:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Will Canonical force Linux Mint to license Ubuntu binary packages? http://m.itworld.com/open-source/387035/will-canonical-force-linux-mint-license-ubuntu-binary-packages #ubuntu greed and power?Dec 13 00:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> m.itworld.com | Will Canonical force Linux Mint to license Ubuntu binary packages?  | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/g6gpx ]Dec 13 00:47
schestowitz__License them as what? and why?"77"Dec 13 00:47
schestowitz__"Fuck Canonical."Dec 13 00:47
schestowitz__"They need to get new PR people."Dec 13 00:47
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Sosumifriday the 13th todayDec 13 00:51
Sosumiand it's steam os launch dayDec 13 00:51
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/business/2013/12/gmail-spying-explained/Dec 13 07:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | With the New Gmail, People Will Know When You Open That Message | Wired Business | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g6l6x ]Dec 13 07:53
iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-12/12/kim-dotcom-is-likely-still-being-spied-uponDec 13 07:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.co.uk | NZ judge: Kim Dotcom is likely still being spied upon (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/g6l76 ]Dec 13 07:53
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2318828/pirate-bay-founder-is-being-held-in-solitary-confinement-without-a-warrantDec 13 07:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Pirate Bay founder is being held in solitary confinement without a warrant- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g6l7c ]Dec 13 07:54
DaemonFCMy phone says it's installing an Android system update....Dec 13 07:59
DaemonFCI wonder what version it's going to install. I am running Android 4.2.2 right now...Dec 13 07:59
Sosumiquestion,Dec 13 08:00
Sosumican you disable automatic updates on android?Dec 13 08:00
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/dear-gmailer-i-know-what-you-read-last-summer-and-last-night-and-today/Dec 13 08:01
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Dear Gmailer: I know what you read last summer (and last night and today) | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g6l81 ]Dec 13 08:01
DaemonFCYou don't have to accept them.Dec 13 08:01
DaemonFCI don't know why you'd refuse them though.Dec 13 08:01
Sosumiwell until you know it's an official update, you should refuseDec 13 08:02
Sosuminot just on android, but on all platformsDec 13 08:02
DaemonFChttp://www.mylgphones.com/sprint-lg-g2-lg-ls980-software-update-ls980zv8.htmlDec 13 08:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.mylgphones.com | Sprint LG G2 (LG LS980) Software Update: LS980ZV8  [ http://ur1.ca/g6l8j ]Dec 13 08:04
DaemonFCLooks like that was the update I just got. Still Android 4.2.2.Dec 13 08:04
Sosumilaw enforcement *cough* could spoof an update to you in order to install a backdoorDec 13 08:04
SosumiyeahDec 13 08:04
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/dear-gmailer-i-know-what-you-read-last-summer-and-last-night-and-today/Dec 13 08:10
DaemonFChttp://support.sprint.com/support/article/Find_and_update_the_software_version_on_your_LG_G2/WServiceAdvisory_542_GKB55011Dec 13 08:10
TechrightsBot-trsupport.sprint.com | Find and update the software version on your LG G2  [ http://ur1.ca/g6l94 ]Dec 13 08:10
iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/12/12/gmail-open-rates/Dec 13 08:16
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Google Says That Despite Changes, Marketers Can Still Track Open Rates In Gmail  |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/g6l9y ]Dec 13 08:16
iophkhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/12/12/microsoft-scroogling-google/3999395/Dec 13 08:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.usatoday.com | Is Microsoft 'Scroogling' itself with attacks on Google?  [ http://ur1.ca/g6la6 ]Dec 13 08:18
iophk"For the Turris router, we are developing our own custom hardware. The hardware design will be available under an open source license."Dec 13 08:46
iophkhttps://www.turris.cz/en/hardwareDec 13 08:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.turris.cz | Hardware :: Project:TurrisDec 13 08:46
iophkhttp://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=2DB15503-FF32-3CA6-9E7374F7E5349F64Dec 13 09:23
TechrightsBot-trnews.idg.no | Microsoft may be desperate enough to offer Windows Phone and Windows RT for free ( - Software - Hardware Systems - Consumer Electronics )  [ http://ur1.ca/g6llk ]Dec 13 09:23
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iophk"The main goal of project Turris is to gather information and experience necessary to creating an effective security system. By allowing us to collect such data from their network traffic, the users will help us to realize this goal. In return, the user will get enhanced network security and out router for a symbolic price."Dec 13 09:59
iophkhttps://www.turris.cz/en/faqDec 13 09:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.turris.cz | Frequently asked questions :: Project:TurrisDec 13 09:59
MinceRhttp://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.htmlDec 13 10:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.tnellen.com | Harrison Bergeron  [ http://ur1.ca/3zdue ]Dec 13 10:00
iophknot that open then reallyDec 13 10:00
iophkif an "unlocked" version were available it would be interesting.Dec 13 10:00
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iophkhttp://www.theverge.com/2013/12/12/5200142/end-the-nsa-nightmareDec 13 10:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.theverge.com | The NSA is out of control and must be stopped | The Verge  [ http://ur1.ca/g6lwp ]Dec 13 10:40
MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/1303/Dec 13 11:45
TechrightsBot-trxkcd.com | xkcd: Profile InfoDec 13 11:45
MinceRgeekingsDec 13 11:51
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iophknew - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/12/google-removes-vital-privacy-features-android-shortly-after-adding-themDec 13 14:05
iophkold - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/11/awesome-privacy-features-android-43Dec 13 14:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.eff.org | Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claiming Its Release Was Accidental | Electronic Frontier Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/g6la4 ]Dec 13 14:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.eff.org | Awesome Privacy Tools in Android 4.3+ | Electronic Frontier Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/g6czk ]Dec 13 14:05
iophkreally lame excuseDec 13 14:05
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Sosumiis steam os finally out?Dec 13 16:41
SosumiMicrosoft Office&Cloud - Persistent Encoding Vulnerabilities:Dec 13 16:42
Sosumihttp://www.vulnerability-lab.com/get_content.php?id=806Dec 13 16:42
Sosumialso, no point in yelling at the cloud when your documents rain at someone else's turfDec 13 16:43
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MinceR:>Dec 13 16:47
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Sosumihttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/12/google-removes-vital-privacy-features-android-shortly-after-adding-themDec 13 16:55
SosumiGoogle Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claiming Its Release Was AccidentalDec 13 16:55
SosumiGoogle, M$, Apple... are like comparing which turd smells less bad than the otherDec 13 16:57
MinceRwell, at least some google products workDec 13 16:57
MinceReven if they're evilDec 13 16:57
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Sosumiit's not that they are evilDec 13 17:30
Sosumiit's their business to hoard dataDec 13 17:31
Sosumiand it's that way they make moneyDec 13 17:31
Sosumiand it's also the business of MS and crapple too to a certain extentDec 13 17:32
Sosumibing ads, iAd, Siri and the whole cloud thingDec 13 17:33
Sosumithey'll be selling that data tooDec 13 17:33
Sosumiand no one should have any expectation of privacy when using their productsDec 13 17:34
Sosumithat is for sureDec 13 17:34
Sosumihttp://www.macrumors.com/2013/12/13/older-versions-of-safari-store-login-info-in-plain-text/Dec 13 18:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.macrumors.com | Older Versions of Safari Store Login Info in Plain Text - Mac Rumors  [ http://ur1.ca/g6o9z ]Dec 13 18:01
Sosumialready knew that, but I don't recommend anyone to store login credentials on the their computerDec 13 18:02
Sosumino on zee cloud *rollseyes*Dec 13 18:02
Sosumi*norDec 13 18:02
schestowitz_bed2RMS on Linux Format:Dec 13 18:22
schestowitz_bed2> It was helpful of him to write GNU/Linux sometimes;Dec 13 18:22
schestowitz_bed2> however, he did not make a consistent distinction betweenDec 13 18:22
schestowitz_bed2> GNU/Linux and Linux, so I am not going to rejoice.Dec 13 18:22
schestowitz_bed2Compared to the previous editor, it is a small step forward.Dec 13 18:22
Snowleaksangedoes RMS own any bitcoin?Dec 13 18:27
Sosumiwas linux format that magazine who got a new editor?Dec 13 18:43
Sosumithe one that mentioned GNU/linuxDec 13 18:44
SosuminvmDec 13 18:44
SosumiI had the link still openDec 13 18:44
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schestowitz_bed2I can fetch itDec 13 19:26
schestowitz_bed2go to their siteDec 13 19:26
schestowitz_bed2I told RMSDec 13 19:26
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3401211Dec 13 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Police Who Seized Woman's Phone As 'Evidence' Of Bogus Crime Now Complaining About Criticism http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131209/11293525505/police-dept-that-seized-womans-cellphone-as-evidence-bogus-crime-now-complaining-about-criticism-its-receiving.shtml gang in costumesDec 13 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | Police Who Seized Woman's Phone As 'Evidence' Of Bogus Crime Now Complaining About Criticism | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g6ek2 ]Dec 13 19:37
schestowitz_bed2"yes , I can see that the Constitution on , wich "home of the brave" has been built , has been vigorously upheld by all the ranks of three branches of Government . Not to mention that citizens of the USA have no problem that their Government is deprieving millions over the world of their human rights , put aside any legal rights of those people , or any legal obligations the USA has as a country in international law ."Dec 13 19:38
schestowitz_bed2"If you did not believe in people's rights, their violation would not bother you. The bill of rights was well written. The UN declaration of the rights of man is also well done. The idea which we strive for should not be abandoned because a few bullies ignore the law."Dec 13 19:38
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schestowitz_bed2"I am just saying (and this might come as a shock to you ) that when the nation that was built on genocide , on land unlawfully taken from other humans , without any kind of respect for their human rights , not to mention on slavory of other humans , comes to be the ultimate defender and propagator of human rights , that's a bit more than hypocricy . Founding fathers of USA had black slaves , up untill arround 1970's black people Dec 13 19:39
schestowitz_bed2were barred from taking a seat in public transportation , and then somebody talks about bill of rights ? whose rights , white-anglosaxon-protestant's rights ? the only people in USA who got the bill of rights the right way are militia nutjobs who see that their bill of rights was not ment for some "sand niggers" or "charlies" , that it was ment for them . don't take this personally , but to anyone living outside USA , your Dec 13 19:39
schestowitz_bed2Constitution is a good laugh , nothing more , nothing less ."Dec 13 19:39
schestowitz_bed2"If you've got a better write up, I'd love to see it."Dec 13 19:39
schestowitz_bed2"about what ?"Dec 13 19:39
schestowitz_bed2"Dec 13 19:39
schestowitz_bed2well , I guess this is a good writeup about equality that USA offers . man , am I glad I am white .Dec 13 19:39
schestowitz_bed2https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3404650Dec 13 19:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | ### #Attention - if you have a good mood: After reading this article you will feel definitely bad :(  [ http://ur1.ca/g6ooy ]Dec 13 19:40
schestowitz_bed2"Dec 13 19:40
schestowitz_bed2"Thanks, but I'm more interested in a Bill of Rights."Dec 13 19:40
schestowitz_bed2"bill of rights guarantees you a fair trial,does it not ? due process ? read the post I linked , and then tell me how would this guy go in amerikkkan court if he was black ?"Dec 13 19:40
schestowitz_bed2Depends where and whenDec 13 19:40
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403835Dec 13 19:41
TechrightsBot-trNot a Diaspora post?Dec 13 19:41
schestowitz_bed2"Dec 13 19:41
schestowitz_bed2http://slashdot.org/story/13/07/02/1241246/nsa-backdoors-in-open-source-and-open-standards-what-are-the-oddsDec 13 19:41
TechrightsBot-trslashdot.org | NSA Backdoors In Open Source and Open Standards: What Are the Odds? - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/g397m ]Dec 13 19:41
schestowitz_bed2"I work for Red Hat. Not for the NSA. SELinux code does not go from me through the NSA, it actually goes the other way around. The NSA asks me to put code in the Linux kernel and I pass it to Linus. I have reviewed each and every line at one point or another. "Dec 13 19:41
schestowitz_bed2"Dec 13 19:41
schestowitz_bed2"@Agora if U have red the snowden leaks , you have seen the NSA boasting to the british intelligence officers about their ties with amerikkkan corporate entities . who would be a better target for amerikkkan spying than a company that delivers most comprihensive (and probably most widely used) cloud-computing platform ?"Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2"I have been following the Snowden leaks. This "evidence" is substantial at best."Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2"Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/09/wolf-richter-why-ibm-throws-another-billion-at-linux-with-nsa-designed-backdoor.htmlDec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2yet another interesting read provided by dr. roy :DDec 13 19:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.nakedcapitalism.com | Wolf Richter: Why IBM Throws Another Billion At Linux (With NSA-Designed Backdoor) | naked capitalism  [ http://ur1.ca/g6opg ]Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2"Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2"I did not say "evidence" , are you sudgesting that slides provided in leaks are not genuine ?"Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2"Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/09/05/us/documents-reveal-nsa-campaign-against-encryption.html?ref=us&_r=4&Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2"The SIGINT Enabling Project actively engages the US and foreign IT industries to covertly influence and/or overtly leverage their commercial products' designs. These design changes make the systems in question exploitable through SIGINT collection Endpoint, MidPoint, etc.) with foreknowledge of the modification. To the consumer and other adversaries, however, the systems' security remains intact. In this way, the SIGINT Enabling Dec 13 19:42
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fkuuk ]Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2approach uses commercial technology and insight to manage the increasing cost and technical challenges of discovering and successfully exploiting systems of interest within the ever--more integrated and security--focused global communications environment."Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2"Dec 13 19:42
schestowitz_bed2http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/how-were-building-startup-europe-one-yearDec 13 19:48
TechrightsBot-trec.europa.eu | How we're building a Startup Europe: one year on - European Commission  [ http://ur1.ca/g6oqi ]Dec 13 19:48
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_GoblinApparently in the "911 truthers" community....thermite is now out....it's mini nukes thats taking the spotlight...Whats next? Rayguns from the Planet Skaro?Dec 13 21:05
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3408972Dec 13 22:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #apple cheap garbage when it comes to #security http://www.macrumors.com/2013/12/13/older-versions-of-safari-store-login-info-in-plain-text/ also #nsa approved..Dec 13 22:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.macrumors.com | Older Versions of Safari Store Login Info in Plain Text - Mac Rumors  [ http://ur1.ca/g6o9z ]Dec 13 22:58
schestowitz_bed2"Didn't know anyone still used this shit xD"Dec 13 22:58
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403568Dec 13 23:09
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If project "Normandy" someone saves #nokia from #microsoft #entryism will that make Microsoft the "Nazis"?Dec 13 23:09
schestowitz_bed2"Do you mean this? http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/uh58626,1271775890,nazibillgates.jpg "Dec 13 23:09
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/uh58626,1271775890,nazibillgates.jpg )Dec 13 23:09
MinceR404 :/Dec 13 23:10
schestowitz_bed2"Microsoft's history is unfinished so we may one day think of them like Nazis. It depends on where US history goes but already we have deep fascism and a police state. Bill Gates' massive propaganda campaigns has infused the US with a lethal hatred and selfishness. He is happy to exploit racism and sexism for his own good. The US already talks about how it's OK to spy on and kill non US citizens. We have also launched wars of Dec 13 23:10
schestowitz_bed2aggression without regard to world opinion. Any real push back against that aggression could trigger a nuclear confrontation that would make WW2 look like a minor outburst of cruelty. If the US liberates itself from ruthless plutocrats, we may be able to forget about Microsoft, NSA spying and other badness. If we don't, there's no telling what will happen next. Microsoft, despite deep technical incompetence, is one of the chief Dec 13 23:10
schestowitz_bed2architects of censorship and spying around the world. They can be blamed for what follows."Dec 13 23:10
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403564Dec 13 23:11
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's mole Stephen "burning platforms" #Elop uses the word "Normandy" to characterise #android project http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/79601.htmlDec 13 23:11
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxinsider.com | AllSeen Alliance to Standardize Internet of Things | Software | LinuxInsider  [ http://ur1.ca/g6pla ]Dec 13 23:11
schestowitz_bed2"this points to AllSeen alliance article which is way creepier than I thought it was."Dec 13 23:11
schestowitz_bed2correct link: http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/79608.htmlDec 13 23:12
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxinsider.com | Normandy May Lead Nokia's Surprise Android Attack | Smartphones | LinuxInsider  [ http://ur1.ca/g6ple ]Dec 13 23:12
MinceRi wonder what sort of "attack" that will be -- an attempt to make android look bad by making bad android phones? :>Dec 13 23:13
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schestowitz_bed2YeahDec 13 23:58
schestowitz_bed2but I think it's just a sign of confusionDec 13 23:58
schestowitz_bed2or turf wars inside the compantDec 13 23:59
schestowitz_bed2perhaps Microsoft occupation has not been entirely completeDec 13 23:59
schestowitz_bed2after MeeGo there was another stab at LinuxDec 13 23:59
schestowitz_bed2!google nokia second Linux OS secretDec 13 23:59
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Real Reason Microsoft Bought Nokia. Transaction Costs - Forbes | http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/09/08/the-real-reason-microsoft-bought-nokia-transaction-costs/Dec 13 23:59
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - DailyTech - The History of Normandy: How Nokia Plotted a Low-End ... | http://www.dailytech.com/The%2BHistory%2Bof%2BNormandy%2BHow%2BNokia%2BPlotted%2Ba%2BLowEnd%2BAndroid%2BLine/article33909.htmDec 13 23:59
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Mobile-OTP: Strong Two-Factor Authentication with Mobile Phones | http://motp.sourceforge.net/Dec 13 23:59
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Nokia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NokiaDec 13 23:59
schestowitz_bed2!google nokia melmeteDec 14 00:00
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TechrightsBot-tr[2] - k2 meter phone app - How do i make a gap in my name on bbm | http://sintieterjai1975.blog.co.uk/2013/12/02/k2-meter-phone-app-17185168/Dec 14 00:00
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Main/Everyone Knows Morse - Television Tropes & Idioms | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryoneKnowsMorseDec 14 00:00
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schestowitz_bed2!google nokia meltemioDec 14 00:00
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Nokia's Meltemi project tipped to bring new low-end Linux OS to 'the ... | http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/09/29/nokias-meltemi-project-tipped-to-bring-new-low-end-linux-os-to-the-next-billion/Dec 14 00:00
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Nokia sigue actualizando MeeGo, para el Nokia N9 - Xataka Móvil | http://www.xatakamovil.com/sistemas-operativos/nokia-sigue-actualizando-meego-para-el-nokia-n9Dec 14 00:00
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Última Hora: Microsoft compra Nokia | Pplware | http://pplware.sapo.pt/informacao/ltima-hora-microsoft-compra-nokia/Dec 14 00:00
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Nokia przygotowuje dwa smartfony z MeeGo? « Komórkomania.pl | http://komorkomania.pl/2012/03/29/nokia-przygotowuje-dwa-smartfony-z-meegoDec 14 00:00
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3408817Dec 14 00:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ice cream cone worm...Dec 14 00:01
schestowitz_bed2"eww"Dec 14 00:01
schestowitz_bed2'look strange :-)"Dec 14 00:01
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3407802Dec 14 00:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Chomsky #IdeasDec 14 00:02
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by jamesprothero@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_e058afcf2c2758993091.jpgDec 14 00:02
schestowitz_bed2"I think that a hero is someone that knows what has to be done, and unlike everyone else actually does it."Dec 14 00:02
MinceRis it still possible for unregistered users to read identi.ca/pump.io?Dec 14 00:02
MinceRpump.io insisted on logging inDec 14 00:02
schestowitz_bed2I heard people can't sign up anymoreDec 14 00:03
schestowitz_bed2otr something like thatDec 14 00:03
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3407793Dec 14 00:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #omnomnom :) Dec 14 00:03
schestowitz_bed2"he are hungry :-D"Dec 14 00:03
schestowitz_bed2"Now ... there's a good idea from a hero of mine ;-)"Dec 14 00:03
MinceRi didn't want to sign up, just to read messagesDec 14 00:09
MinceRbut apparently that went away with StatusNetDec 14 00:09
DaemonFCshared a link.Dec 14 00:15
DaemonFCabout a minute ago · EditedDec 14 00:15
DaemonFCTrickle down evokes the mental image of a leaky tap. The poor are nothing but slave labor at best, and a nuisance group of "useless eaters" at worst, according to the rich. The rich have actually convinced people that there is dignity in all work as they themselves do nothing and accumulate wealth mostly through graft and fraud, at the expense of the bottom 90%.Dec 14 00:15
DaemonFCThe most that 78% of the country can hope to gain from work is that their bills will be paid for the next week... The top 10%, that owns pretty much everything, never has to worry about anything like that.Dec 14 00:15
DaemonFCThe biggest part of the system that keeps people from ever making any financial progress is our for-profit health insurance system. Medical bills are still the leading cause of bankruptcy. The medical industry is worse than the damned mafia. They inflate the cost of everything by about 1,000% as another way to confiscate the real assets of the middle class and poor.Dec 14 00:18
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 14 00:22
DaemonFCSenator Bernie Sanders introduced another Medicare For Everyone bill into the US Senate the other day. I suspect that people would love Medicare if they could all get it. The for-profit insurance companies would be finished in less than a week, regardless of whether or not they were officially banished. Most people would kill to have a monthly premium of $0-150-$275 (depending on income) for health insurance that didn't argue with them and Dec 14 00:22
DaemonFCtry to kill them off, and just paid every legitimate medical expense that was submitted.Dec 14 00:22
DaemonFCWhile the Sanders bill has little chance of passing, it shows us all what we *could* have instead of the fucking insurance cartel.Dec 14 00:22
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 14 00:38
DaemonFCIt's supposed to snow all night and all day tomorrow until about 6 PM.Dec 14 00:38
DaemonFCHopefully, the worst government in Indiana history (TEAbagger Mike Pence and his criminal ALEC minions in the Indiana legislature) haven't cut the road salt budget yet.Dec 14 00:38
DaemonFCThey made $53 million worth of cuts the other day, because tax revenue is down since they decided to cut the corporate tax rate again and phase out the estate tax on gazillionaires.Dec 14 00:38
DaemonFCEventually, austerity that affects the 90% will be completely obvious. I suppose that most people still haven't seen the worst of it, but they will if Pence and his army of flying monkey monsters get their way for a few more years.Dec 14 00:38
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 14 00:40
DaemonFCI was in Fort Wayne several weeks ago, during an ice storm, and even after it had been going on for hours, there was no sign of any salt trucks on US 24 or interstate 69.Dec 14 00:40
DaemonFCSending out plows and salt trucks cost the state money. Letting dozens of people die or have their cars go off the road and become totalled doesn't cost them anything really. Welcome to Tea Party budgeting.Dec 14 00:40
DaemonFCRyan FarmerDec 14 00:42
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 14 00:42
DaemonFCIn Kentucky, the Tea Party has even more of a foothold. The fire departments in some counties will now come out and simply watch your house burn down unless you pay a fire protection fee of a few hundred dollars every year.Dec 14 00:42
DaemonFCabout a minute ago · EditedDec 14 00:52
DaemonFCThe Tea Party reminds me of those wasps that stick their stinger into an ant's brain and force the ant to walk back to the nest so that the wasp can lay its eggs in the ant's body.Dec 14 00:52
DaemonFCThe Republicans used to at least be mild Keynesians and pro-business.Dec 14 00:53
DaemonFCThe Tea Party is doing things that aren't even good for most businesses anymore. They serve a few gazillionaires and megacorporations that just don't want to pay any taxes, ever, and that's about it. They wrap their agenda up inside the veneer of right-wing fundamentalist Christianity. A very vile, wicked, and bent-up interpretation of the message of Jesus Christ.Dec 14 00:53
DaemonFCThey're not necessarily anti-tax. The fees for government services that are left go up for the bottom 90%, and fees are basically the same thing as taxes.Dec 14 00:53
DaemonFC(Although sometimes, you can opt out. For example, if you want the fire department to let your house burn down. *grin*)Dec 14 00:53
DaemonFCNow they're actually proposing a system, in Indiana, where everyone that drives has to plug a spyware module into their car (that they have to pay for), so the state can see where they are at, at all times, and send them a bill for however many miles they travelled.Dec 14 00:53
DaemonFCabout a minute ago · EditedDec 14 01:03
DaemonFCWhat right-wing Christians don't seem to understand about the Randian philosophy of the Tea Party, is that the principles put forward by Ayn Rand are basically the same thing as the tenets of LeVayen Satanism. Individualism, Epicureanism, and "eye for an eye" morality.Dec 14 01:03
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DaemonFCThe best explanation for the violence caused by the police state that we have in the United States.....Dec 14 02:10
DaemonFC"When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail."Dec 14 02:10
DaemonFCThe police are used to try to "solve" every problem in society these days, literally right down to a child farting in class.Dec 14 02:10
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 14 02:23
DaemonFCI still play Plague Inc. quite a bit. It's an Android game where you're playing a virus and trying to kill as many people in the world as possible.Dec 14 02:23
DaemonFCYou get to pick a region to start out with, and then you get boosters that you can use to try to make the virus spread faster or become more lethal.Dec 14 02:23
DaemonFCIf it was more realistic, there'd be an option to send campaign contributions to the Republicans so that the CDC and HHS would be too underfunded to respond to it once you've escaped the third world countries that nobody cares about, which you used as your incubators.Dec 14 02:23
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DaemonFCvia TruthoutDec 14 04:32
DaemonFCOne of Obama's executive orders told federal agencies to increase their compliance with Freedom of Information Act requests by releasing information unless they can list compelling reasons not to. Of course, the federal agencies that have the most information that they don't want to publicly release have come up with more excuses to not release it, leading no no increased compliance with FOIA requests.Dec 14 04:32
DaemonFCIt's funny how that works? Right?Dec 14 04:32
DaemonFCRight now, the FBI, CIA, NSA, and other government agencies have more information about the average American than the former government of East Germany had on the average East German citizen.Dec 14 04:32
DaemonFCMuch of that is made possible by the proprietary software created by companies like Apple and Microsoft. Thanks to the proprietary nature of the software, nobody knows what it's doing when they run it on their computers, and it is nearly impossible to ever find out. We know that some of the security problems with their software are by design, to allow the governments to easily install additional malware later.Dec 14 04:32
DaemonFCMicrosoft gave the NSA their own signing key in Windows 98/2000, and Apple left at least one critical security hole open in iTunes for years because the British government was exploiting it to install spyware on Macs.Dec 14 04:32
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 2 minutes ago · Edited ·Dec 14 04:32
DaemonFC"A bad credit rating costs you money in other ways. The difference in car insurance premiums between 500 and 700 can be a couple hundred dollars per year all by itself.Dec 14 04:45
DaemonFCBesides, I'd like to put down on a house someday, and would prefer my score to be in the 750s or higher to get a better interest rate.Dec 14 04:45
DaemonFCCompanies like to use FICO scores as a way of beating poor people into the ground and forcing them to subsidize the rich."Dec 14 04:45
DaemonFCOnce you know how their system works, and with a little bit of luck here and there, you can turn the tables around on them.Dec 14 04:46
DaemonFCit's the only way they could fathom becoming rich.Dec 14 04:56
DaemonFCThe chances of winning a major lottery game are so bad that, in some cases, I could write down the name of a specific person living in the People's Republic of China (population 1.35 billion) and ask you to point out that specific person at random, and you'd have a better chance of accidentally guessing correctly than of winning the jackpot.Dec 14 04:56
DaemonFCAnd, as more states join a game like Powerball or Mega Millions, the odds of winning go down. The odds of winning Mega Millions, by guessing the numbers and the Megaplier are something like 1 in 700 million. In other words, if everyone in the United States, men, women, and children, all bought two Mega Millions tickets and played truly random and non-overlapping sets of numbers, there would not be a 100% chance that one ticket would win, but Dec 14 04:56
DaemonFCthe lottery *would* take in ~$650 million that week, lowering the tax burden on the rich.Dec 14 04:56
DaemonFCHigh lottery participation rates are indicative of corrupt societies where people have given up trying to achieve social mobility through any other means.Dec 14 04:56
DaemonFCStudies have shown that poor people spend as much as 10-12% of their annual income in some cases, in pursuit of this future imaginary wealth. That comes at the direct and immediate cost of current needs.Dec 14 04:56
DaemonFCshared a link via Daily Kos.Dec 14 05:01
DaemonFC3 minutes ago · EditedDec 14 05:01
DaemonFCIt's bad enough that the Republicans have moved so much further to the right in the last 20 years that they no longer even recognize their own plan for health insurance reform.Dec 14 05:01
DaemonFCThe Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan plan to privatize Medicare would have left it looking something like Obamacare, only it would have still only been available to people over age 65, and it would have actually ended up costing more than Medicare, it's just that more of the burden would have been placed on the individual receiving the insurance, in the form of higher premium expenses to cover the profit layer of the insurance companies. That's kind of Dec 14 05:01
DaemonFCwhat Obamacare did to everyone under 65 when they passed that instead of Medicare For Everyone. The thing that enabled them to do that is that nobody under 65 already had access to a much superior single payer system, so it was easier to rob them.Dec 14 05:01
DaemonFC2 minutes ago · EditedDec 14 05:10
DaemonFCThe chances of getting a decent job after going to college are getting pretty dicey. The only thing that is absolutely certain is that people who go will be left with a huge amount of debt that will either crush them, or erase all of their economic gains for the next decade or three.Dec 14 05:10
DaemonFCAnd the Republicans made it even worse this year, when they doubled the student loan interest rate.Dec 14 05:10
DaemonFCI worked with a lot of people who said they should have never gone to college because they ended up working a cash register at Walmart or picking shoe orders for rich people in the end anyway....Dec 14 05:10
DaemonFCIt's not everyone, but that sure is demoralizing.Dec 14 05:10
DaemonFCWell, the second part was before they automated the shoe warehouse and moved it to Kentucky, where the tax subsidies were better.Dec 14 05:11
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 14 05:13
DaemonFCThe political pundits are amazed that my generation is moving so far to the left. It's the only thing that this environment is capable of producing when people my age are paying attention.Dec 14 05:13
DaemonFCIt's really a form of generational warfare where people my age are getting sick and tired of being screwed, and people over 40 are trending to the far-right and shouting "Screw you, I've got mine!".Dec 14 05:14
DaemonFCHow about blaming the guy that did a hostile takeover of the company, raided your pension, and then fired you? There's a concept.Dec 14 05:30
DaemonFC2 minutes ago · EditedDec 14 05:31
DaemonFCFrom a post of mine in the comment section of a news article:Dec 14 05:31
DaemonFCI'm getting kind of tired of reading these stories, where someone walks into a restaurant or orders a pizza, and then leaves no tip, and then tries to excuse their bad behavior. As if there was any excuse for stealing the labor, and possibly the gas money, of the guy that makes two bucks an hour serving you.Dec 14 05:31
DaemonFCThey'd be better off without your business.Dec 14 05:31
DaemonFCIf you can't afford to leave a tip, then don't eat out. Don't be an asshole and leave a note telling them to "get a real job " or "I loved the service, but you're gay, so no tip.".Dec 14 05:31
DaemonFC Sometimes I'm just left in total disbelief of the gall of these people.Dec 14 05:32
DaemonFC26 seconds ago · EditedDec 14 05:36
DaemonFCQuantitative Easing by the Fed ensures that there will be no job gains. As long as corporate America knows that the free money will continue as long as they don't hire people, they will continue trying to avoid hiring people.Dec 14 05:36
DaemonFCThe amount of money that the Fed is dumping into their bond-buying program could have created millions of jobs paying $50,000 per year.Dec 14 05:36
DaemonFCInstead, the money has been going to millionaires and billionaires, who produce nothing, to compel them to continue producing nothing, because they can make more money ripping off taxpayers.Dec 14 05:36
DaemonFCIt would be better if the Fed didn't do any "stimulus" at all.Dec 14 05:36
DaemonFCThe European Central Bank is doing the same thing, and so are others. The unemployment rate in some of those countries is exceeding 30%. Pretending that the bond-buying programs create work stinks of such bullshit that I'm surprised they can call it a jobs program without smirking.Dec 14 05:38
DaemonFC'm a strong proponent of Keynesian Economics, but this isn't Keynesian Economic policy, it's daylight theft.Dec 14 05:39
DaemonFCshared a link.Dec 14 05:41
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 14 05:41
DaemonFChttp://www.nextnewdeal.net/rediscovering-government/stanley-fischer-will-please-centrists-hes-wrong-choice-fedDec 14 05:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.nextnewdeal.net | Stanley Fischer Will Please Centrists, But He's the Wrong Choice for the Fed | Next New Deal  [ http://ur1.ca/g6r4b ]Dec 14 05:41
DaemonFCAustrian Economics is not a legitimate economic position. It's more like Salvadore Dali economics, where everything in the picture is just warped.Dec 14 05:41
DaemonFCshared a link.Dec 14 05:44
DaemonFC33 seconds ago · EditedDec 14 05:44
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/13/1262526/-Sen-Mike-Lee-worries-that-delaying-Obamacare-rule-will-lead-to-single-payer-health-careDec 14 05:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.dailykos.com | Daily Kos: Sen. Mike Lee worries that delaying Obamacare rule will lead to single-payer health care  [ http://ur1.ca/g6r4w ]Dec 14 05:44
DaemonFCIf and when Obamacare does fail, it will increase the demand for Single Payer. That wasn't the intention, but it's what might happen. I don't know if the Republicans realize that undermining the system that was put in place could lead to a result that they dislike even more, but it will be good for most Americans if it plays out this way.Dec 14 05:44
DaemonFC53 seconds ago · EditedDec 14 05:47
DaemonFCThe system of health insurance as a perk for employed people was largely put in place as one of the things that came out of World War 2, when the economy was booming because most of the productive capacity of the rest of the world was ruined, and the United States economy was booming and providing more-or-less full employment. (If people couldn't find a job in that environment, they were probably unemployable.)Dec 14 05:47
DaemonFCIt was never sustainable in the long term. It was only made possible because the wartime economy heated up the labor market.Dec 14 05:47
DaemonFC2 minutes ago · EditedDec 14 05:55
DaemonFCIn the past, pricing was pretty much totally determined by the demand curve for a good or service. It still kind of is, but we have so much market distortion caused by monopolies, that it just doesn't always hold true anymore.Dec 14 05:55
DaemonFCIn the information economy, demand curve can't drive up prices, because a lot of the goods are intangible. Apple can copy a music file as many times as it wants, because it's just computer data. There's no limit to production other than artificial limits to production caused by copyright edict and artificial restrictions, called "DRM", what I call "Digital Restrictions Malware", and which could be described as a system of "artificial scarcityDec 14 05:55
DaemonFC.Dec 14 05:55
DaemonFCIn other words, the prices are set high because the law protects a monopoly on copying and sharing, which is enforced by corporate malware, like iTunes, iPod, iPhone, iWhatever...Dec 14 05:55
DaemonFCIt's no longer a given that increased buying power will lead to inflation, when something can be produced as many times as you like, while requiring almost no resources dedicated to the productive capacity for the goods.Dec 14 05:55
DaemonFCThe only limit to what you can charge is what people will pay, and companies like Apple squeeze that system for every last dime.Dec 14 05:55
DaemonFCerr, "can't drive up prices all by itself"Dec 14 05:56
*DaemonFC fixes thatDec 14 05:56
DaemonFC"Santa is just white? Who are you actually talking to? Children who are sophisticated enough to be watching a news channel at 10 o'clock at night, yet innocent enough to still believe Santa Claus is real, yet racist enough to be freaked out if he isn’t white."Dec 14 06:05
DaemonFC---Jon StewartDec 14 06:05
DaemonFCActually, he's transparent. Things that don't exist tend to be transparent, because matter is not occupying the space where they are alleged to exist.Dec 14 06:05
DaemonFCDamn you, physics!Dec 14 06:05
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 2 seconds ago ·Dec 14 06:05
Snowleaksangehttp://www.businessinsider.com/these-charts-explain-the-real-death-of-the-music-industry-2011-2Dec 14 06:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessinsider.com | The REAL Death Of The Music Industry - Business Insider  [ http://ur1.ca/3bbce ]Dec 14 06:05
Snowleaksangeartits make most their money off ringtones nowDec 14 06:06
Snowleaksangeyea piracy!Dec 14 06:06
Snowleaksangehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdjzC-Is9F0Dec 14 06:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Fat Wreck Chords feature - Interview with Fat Mike, Part 1 of 2 // Tribal Area - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g6r8p ]Dec 14 06:08
DaemonFCWhat really disturbs me about a lot of these mobile apps is that they demand a lot of privileges that most of them shouldn't need if they only do what they say they do.Dec 14 07:07
DaemonFCGoogle implemented fine-grained permission control and then backed it out and said it's because it's "not done yet".Dec 14 07:07
DaemonFCWe'll see if it ever comes back.Dec 14 07:08
DaemonFCThey're not as bad as crApple, but they do a lot of the same nasty things.Dec 14 07:08
DaemonFCSince most of the apps are proprietary software, it's pretty much a given that they'll do something nasty that they don't say they do.Dec 14 07:09
DaemonFCThe permissions screen, being all or nothing, pretty much leaves you with the choice to install the app and take that risk, or to not have the app.Dec 14 07:09
DaemonFCschestowitz mentioned F-Droid, but that doesn't have a lot of apps. It's because most apps are not fully Free.Dec 14 07:10
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 14 07:36
DaemonFCSo, I thought that the quote on Walmart selling 2.8 million bath towels on Black Friday might have been some kind of a gag, but Walmart's own website backs that up.Dec 14 07:36
DaemonFCI hope they also sold a few million bars of bath soap and some non-pajama clothing items.Dec 14 07:36
DaemonFCSome of their customers might look and smell a little better next year.Dec 14 07:36
DaemonFC Maybe Walmart thought that People of Walmart had gone on long enough.Dec 14 07:37
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 14 07:42
DaemonFCUnfortunately, Walmart also sold a lot of crApple iBads, enemy of your Freedom.Dec 14 07:42
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DaemonFCvia SalonDec 14 10:38
DaemonFC"The left likes school shootings".Dec 14 10:38
DaemonFCYes, that's why we're trying to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals and the dangerously mentally unstable people who commit school shootings.Dec 14 10:38
DaemonFCOh wait...Dec 14 10:38
DaemonFCGo back to bed, America! The nutcases have figured it all out again!Dec 14 10:38
DaemonFCGo back to bed, America! The Tea Party is thinking for you!Dec 14 10:38
DaemonFCshared a link via Bill Moyers.Dec 14 10:52
DaemonFC4 minutes ago · EditedDec 14 10:52
DaemonFChttp://billmoyers.com/2013/05/03/gun-violence-since-newtown/Dec 14 10:53
TechrightsBot-trbillmoyers.com | Guns in America After Newtown | Smart Charts, What Matters Today | BillMoyers.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g6spp ]Dec 14 10:53
DaemonFCThe NRA responds to these with ludicrous plans like arming the teachers, or putting more armed police officers in schools. This has a few downsides.Dec 14 10:53
DaemonFC1. Cost to taxpayers. I haven't seen Wayne LaPierre come out and offer to increase NRA dues so that they can pay for this.Dec 14 10:53
DaemonFC2. The school shootings will keep happening, because it fails to take guns away from irresponsible gun owners, criminals, the insane, and their children. It would take an armed teacher or police officer minutes to respond, and by that time, the shooter would have already killed many people.Dec 14 10:53
DaemonFC3. You have to forget all about the fact that arming several thousand teachers and school police officers means that it's only a matter of time until one of them goes nuts and starts shooting everyone.Dec 14 10:53
DaemonFCYou'd have to be really ignorant to think that putting more guns in a school is going to solve this problem, but ignorant people are the base of the Republican Party.Dec 14 10:53
DaemonFCshared a link via Salon.Dec 14 10:57
DaemonFC10 minutes ago · EditedDec 14 10:57
DaemonFChttp://slnm.us/H8xYM7dDec 14 10:57
TechrightsBot-trwww.salon.com | The Christian right wants civilization to collapse - Salon.comDec 14 10:58
DaemonFCThe far-right fundamentalist Christians are insane. If gay marriage is legalized, it will not cause the collapse of society. Canada legalized gay marriage years ago, and their economy is booming, everyone has healthcare, their roads and bridges are well-kept, their schools are better than ours, and there's rarely a natural disaster.Dec 14 10:58
DaemonFCI'd suspect that if god was pissed at Canada, then something would have happened by now, but it hasn't.Dec 14 10:58
DaemonFCNow, on the other hand, the right-wing fundamentalist Christians haveactually tried to cause the end of the world every time they've been in office. They do things like arming Israel *and* the Taliban-style Muslims, and then trying to piss them off enough at each other to actually have a war to end all wars. There's nothing new here at all....Dec 14 10:58
DaemonFCThe downfall of America will either be caused by the right-wingers successfully starting World War 3, or because military spending is an unsustainable and whopping 70% of the federal budget, and has us accumulating debt like there is no tomorrow, which will eventually cause a debt crisis.Dec 14 10:59
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DaemonFCThere's a major snowstorm going through the area.Dec 14 14:40
DaemonFCThat car handles like crap on the snow. I barely made it up that big hill. :PDec 14 14:40
iophkhttp://www.techradar.com/news/internet/policies-protocols/bt-internet-filter-to-protect-all-devices-including-smartphones-and-tablets-1207606Dec 14 15:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.techradar.com | BT internet filter to protect all devices including smartphones and tablets | News | TechRadar  [ http://ur1.ca/g6ts2 ]Dec 14 15:00
iophkno mention of The Digital Tipping Point : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/turnstyle/taking-a-total-disruption_b_4442730.htmlDec 14 15:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Taking 'A Total Disruption' Open Source | Turnstyle  [ http://ur1.ca/g6tsg ]Dec 14 15:04
MinceR"protect"Dec 14 15:04
MinceRcameron protects his subjects from freedomDec 14 15:04
iophkthe "f" wordDec 14 15:05
iophkRMS throws it around, that's caused him trouble.Dec 14 15:05
MinceRthat's because many people are idiotsDec 14 15:05
MinceRit's just a word.Dec 14 15:05
iophkIt scares some people, especially some politicians.Dec 14 15:06
MinceRit's sad it doesn't scare them appropriately and reliablyDec 14 15:06
MinceRi could just say it over and over again and have freedom in hungary if it didDec 14 15:06
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iophkM$ Jack giving "advice" on Linux laptops : http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2013/dec/13/linux-laptops-should-you-avoid-buying-windowsDec 14 15:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Linux laptops: should you avoid buying Windows? | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g6tt7 ]Dec 14 15:09
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/report-nsa-mulls-snowden-amnesty-but-it-probably-wont-happen/Dec 14 15:15
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Report: NSA mulls Snowden amnesty (but it probably won’t happen) | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g6tu9 ]Dec 14 15:15
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iophkhttp://mashable.com/2013/12/13/google-intel-arm/Dec 14 17:24
TechrightsBot-trmashable.com | Why Google Might Drop Intel for ARM  [ http://ur1.ca/g6uey ]Dec 14 17:24
iophkhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-12/google-said-to-mull-designing-chips-in-threat-to-intel.htmlDec 14 17:25
TechrightsBot-trwww.bloomberg.com | Google Said to Mull Designing Chips in Threat to Intel - Bloomberg  [ http://ur1.ca/g6uez ]Dec 14 17:25
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Sosumihas anyone tried steam os yet?Dec 14 18:33
Sosumiand posted some benchiesDec 14 18:33
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Sosumihttp://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/12/12/us-videogame-sales-fall-in-november-despite-new-consoles/Dec 14 18:54
TechrightsBot-trblogs.wsj.com | US Videogame Sales Fall In November Despite New Consoles - Digits - WSJ  [ http://ur1.ca/g6ut2 ]Dec 14 18:54
Sosumimost games are crap anywaysDec 14 18:54
Sosumiand giant farmfestsDec 14 18:54
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iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/12/us-ibm-lawsuit-idUSBRE9BB1BP20131212Dec 14 19:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | Lawsuit accuses IBM of hiding China risks amid NSA spy scandal | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/g6uyi ]Dec 14 19:33
Sosumihttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/14/technology/google-adds-to-its-menagerie-of-robots.html?_r=0Dec 14 19:33
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/g6uyk ]Dec 14 19:33
SosumioopsDec 14 19:33
Sosumihttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/14/technology/google-adds-to-its-menagerie-of-robots.htmlDec 14 19:33
SosumiGoogle acquired Boston DynamicsDec 14 19:34
Sosumiwhich makes sense, since they are also heavily invested into AI stuff and have Kurzweil on board and everythingDec 14 19:35
Sosumihttp://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/how-the-nsa-pinpoints-a-mobile-device/645/#document/p1/a135574Dec 14 19:36
TechrightsBot-trapps.washingtonpost.com | How the NSA pinpoints a mobile device - The Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/g6uz3 ]Dec 14 19:36
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iophkhttp://discussion.theguardian.com/discussion/p/3y7t2Dec 14 20:24
TechrightsBot-trdiscussion.theguardian.com | Guardian discussion | Linux laptops: should you avoid buying Windows?  [ http://ur1.ca/g6v5d ]Dec 14 20:24
iophkThe cheap option would be to get a Chromebook and install Gnu/Linux on that either dual or boot or plain.  M$ is too scared of Chromebooks so M$ Jack would obviously avoid mentioning them.  His excuse for pushing Windows on the reader is that it is "cheaper", but if cost were the matter, a Chromebook would be cheaper still.   Further, there is the issue of Restricted Boot which comes on Vista 8 machines and hinders or prevents booting Linux.  It can deDec 14 20:30
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Sosumihttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/13/mac_bitcoin_mining_hoax/Dec 14 21:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Apple fanbois warned: No, Cupertino HASN'T built a Bitcoin mining function into Macs • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/g6vhs ]Dec 14 21:38
Sosumi:( they should have never covered such thingDec 14 21:38
Sosumiand let the mactards just shoot themselves on the footDec 14 21:38
Sosumiall the wayDec 14 21:38
Sosumi:PDec 14 21:38
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SosumiTorvalds on google removing that privacy feature out of AndroidDec 14 22:31
Sosumi"This is sad.Dec 14 22:31
SosumiWith all the posturing Google has done over the NSA stuff, and having encouraged people to sign the petition to require a warrant for email snooping (which I heartily agree with), this just makes Google look hypocritical."Dec 14 22:31
Sosumiand he's rightDec 14 22:32
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DaemonFCshared The Other 98%'s photo.Dec 08 00:24
DaemonFCabout a minute ago · EditedDec 08 00:24
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/p480x480/1456122_719784261365888_822891867_n.jpgDec 08 00:24
DaemonFCActually, thanks to people like me, the polar ice caps will be around a little longer, and global heating is slowed down somewhat. Since we don't have children that are adding to the greenhouse gas problem, your children and grandchildren may live long enough to find a solution to the problem.Dec 08 00:25
DaemonFCYou're welcome.Dec 08 00:25
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cubezzzI guess the Microsoft FAT Patent has expired now?Dec 08 02:33
Sosumicarbon emissions are hardly a problemDec 08 03:02
Sosumisine they may at least contribute 1% to the overall global warmingDec 08 03:03
Sosumiand anyways, the planet wont last foreverDec 08 03:03
Sosumiso just make it last long enough till we can spread our seed across the multiverseDec 08 03:05
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3382778Dec 08 07:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When Apple and Microsoft speak of security they mean national security i.e. back doorsDec 08 07:28
schestowitz__"yeah, Federal security, and continuity of government."Dec 08 07:29
schestowitz__"and money for Microsoft"Dec 08 07:29
schestowitz__"Implying that Apple isn't all about money?"Dec 08 07:29
schestowitz__"Not at all, Termy. Most software ownership is all about money and "security" to them means a continued revenue. Apple is just as nasty as Microsoft, but I had Microsoft on my mind from their recent, empty promises of privacy and security through another layer of encryption."Dec 08 07:29
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3382771Dec 08 07:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FBI infects computers http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2013/12/06/352ba174-5397-11e3-9e2c-e1d01116fd98_story_2.htmlDec 08 07:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.washingtonpost.com | FBI’s search for ‘Mo,’ suspect in bomb threats, highlights use of malware for surveillance - The Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/g5meo ]Dec 08 07:30
schestowitz__"As in some traditional searches, subjects typically are notified only after evidence is gathered from their property. That's not traditional at all. It's a violation of the fourth amendment that has been allowed in very narrow circumstances like airports and national borders. What ass wrote that piece of propaganda?"Dec 08 07:30
schestowitz__"Dec 08 07:31
schestowitz__The coverage of this intrusion is remarkably different from the usual news of "hacking". When someone is on trial for breaking into a corporate site, we hear complaints of how much it will cost to undo the damage done. The complaint is justified because systems really should be rebuilt when they are violated and cant' be trusted. In the case of Jeremy Hammond, the judge explicitly rejected Hammond's reasoning Dec 08 07:31
schestowitz__that he broke in to expose a criminal. Here, when the FBI does the same thing indiscriminately to anyone who visits a web page we are told that it's all about fighting crime and that it must be done more now than ever. That's what happens when you make a story "fair" by balancing what you think with what the FBI tells you.Dec 08 07:31
schestowitz__Even more remarkable is the unspoken degree of trust we are supposed to have of our computers as they are. What I read does not even consider the fact that non free software always gives software owners the power to spy. Corporate media won't tell you this because it's mostly owned and funded by people who own your software. Shame on the Washington Post.Dec 08 07:31
schestowitz__"Dec 08 07:31
schestowitz__Wall Street Journal defends the FBi turning the Android devices into listening devices (remotely) to "listen to criminals". The hypocrisy says it all really. The government engages in crime under the premise of "against terror"; next, against activism, protest, etc.Dec 08 07:32
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3383429Dec 08 07:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I still remember the days when #mandrake was the leading desktop distribution and I fondly remember using #mandriva full time. #gnu #linuxDec 08 07:32
schestowitz__"Which OS do you use today?"Dec 08 07:32
schestowitz__"<--- Mageia It's Mandriva, really."Dec 08 07:33
schestowitz__I use Cauldron repos, however. Main repos are too safe."Dec 08 07:33
schestowitz__"I use distro that could be called "a rightful heir" of Mandriva, forked from it over a decade ago now and awesome as ever, #PCLinuxOS!'Dec 08 07:33
schestowitz__"Ubuntu! :)"Dec 08 07:33
schestowitz__Debian and Kubuntu hereDec 08 07:33
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3382751Dec 08 07:34
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A friend of mine from Afghanistan has just told me that he supports drone strikes as they target 'leaders'. Did not know 1 in 49 is leader.Dec 08 07:34
schestowitz__"How does this compare to the numbers of collateral damage for manned bomber flights?"Dec 08 07:34
schestowitz__Hard to tell, but for bombers you need to declare war; the drones are a loophole and they were kept secret by CIA. Illegal.Dec 08 07:34
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schestowitz__"Leader-seeking missiles? And if a child was hit, well then that child must have been a leader."Dec 08 07:34
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3383429Dec 08 10:54
schestowitz__"Using Ubuntu but I think Linux Mint Debian Edition is a great alternative."Dec 08 10:54
schestowitz__"lmde rulz!"Dec 08 10:55
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schestowitz__http://glossynews.com/top-stories/politicos-and-polticians/201312080137/kris-kringle-appointed-head-of-nsa/Dec 08 11:17
TechrightsBot-trglossynews.com | Kris Kringle Appointed Head of NSA | GlossyNews.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g5swq ]Dec 08 11:17
schestowitz__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zotYU21qcUDec 08 12:32
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Chris Hedges "Brace Yourself! The American Empire Is Over & The Descent Is Going To Be Horrifying!" - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g5t5m ]Dec 08 12:32
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schestowitz__https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.support.thunderbird/HC5FaeceUa8Dec 08 14:05
TechrightsBot-trgroups.google.com | Grupos de Google  [ http://ur1.ca/g5thw ]Dec 08 14:06
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Levenax/status/409687501624733696Dec 08 14:18
TechrightsBot-tr@Levenax: @schestowitz @robintcox Er, Mandela was imprisoned. Assange is in embassy 'cos he wants to be. Courts have decided so he should abide by lawDec 08 14:18
schestowitz__Assange does not want to be in the embassy, just as Snowden does not want to be in RussiaDec 08 14:19
iophkhttp://tech.yandex.ru/events/yagosti/ruBSD/Dec 08 14:27
TechrightsBot-trtech.yandex.ru | ruBSD 2013 — Яндекс.События — мероприятия Яндекса  [ http://ur1.ca/g5tki ]Dec 08 14:28
iophkhttp://www.nycbsdcon.org/2014/cfp.htmlDec 08 14:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.nycbsdcon.org | NYCBSDCon 2014Dec 08 14:29
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3385223Dec 08 15:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "America’s libraries have been vulnerable to government intrusion ever since the passing of the Patriot Act" http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/americas-public-libraries-take-on-the-nsa-131207?news=851853Dec 08 15:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.allgov.com | Top Stories - America’s Public Libraries take on the NSA - AllGov - News  [ http://ur1.ca/g5tp3 ]Dec 08 15:13
schestowitz__http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EDGIDec 08 15:13
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | EDGI - Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/0ku76 ]Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__http://www.ala.org/pla/advocacy/edgeDec 08 15:14
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schestowitz__http://search.ala.org/search?q=gates+foundation&op=Search&output=xml&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&client=ALA_DIVISION&num=10&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&site=default_collection&proxyreload=1&proxystylesheet=ALA_DIVISIONDec 08 15:14
TechrightsBot-trCouldn't resolve host 'search.ala.org' ( status 0 @ http://search.ala.org/search?q=gates+foundation&op=Search&output=xml&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&client=ALA_DIVISION&num=10&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&site=default_collection&proxyreload=1&proxystylesheet=ALA_DIVISION )Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__"Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__ut oh, it's Bill Gates. I had not thought of Gates' fake charity as a vehicle for NSA spying before ... the perverse creativity of Gates evil mind continues to astonish me. Honest people just don't think this way.Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__The American Library Association (ALA), a group not known as a lobbying powerhouse in Washington, received a $1 million grant last month from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to advocate more on behalf of its members.Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__Watch for them to pay lip service to Microsoft, which is one of the worst things anyone can do for privacy. Whatever is true of NSA spying about libraries is also true about Microsoft Windows because Microsoft cooperates fully with the NSA. Even if they did not, Windows is non free software and always has the power to spy. As it is, the software comes with an EULA that grants Microsoft dubious legal rights to Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__spy on users and sell the results to partners. The connections and intentions could not be more clear at this point. No human rights advocate should use non free software.Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__The ALA should have rejected the money. If nothing else, this gift creates an illusion of Microsoft as a privacy and rights advocate. That's evil enough. We would hope librarians are well read enough to know this and would make the terms of the agreement clear.Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__Ick, Gates has been trickling millions of dollars to the ALA for every few years for a long time. In the first page of results, I see that Gates has also written the rules and benchmark of technology effectiveness for public libraries, a disturbingly named "Edge" program for anyone who remembers Microsoft anti-Linux program called EDGI. It's funny that for all that, the ALA uses a Google search appliance.Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__Gates has used his foundation to strategically dump Microsoft Windows onto libraries for more than a decade.. Unlike most real charities, there was no grant process for determining need, the foundation decided who would get gifts of non free software and computers. Like other NSA programs, the gifts came with a gag order and other strings. Libraries were forced to sign a NDA about the exact terms and were not Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__allowed to install other software onto the computers for as long as they had them.Dec 08 15:14
schestowitz__"Dec 08 15:14
Sosumicharities and companies can be always be front groups for intelligence and military industrial complexDec 08 15:36
Sosumifoundations and think tank groups tooDec 08 15:37
Sosumithings like the royal institute for international affairs and its sister organization council on foreign relationsDec 08 15:41
Sosumior the tavistock instituteDec 08 15:41
schestowitz__"Dec 08 15:49
schestowitz__There are other reasons to reject Microsoft money and technology. As a supporter of exploitative publishing and digital restrictions, Microsoft's guidance probably spells doom for more fair publication like this. You can't have free libraries with digital restrictions.Dec 08 15:49
schestowitz__As an ALEC member, Microsoft takes with the left hand what the right hand gives. ALEC works hard to strip state budgets of useful social services. I have not seen them take a stand against libraries like this idiot from Louisiana did but ALEC is a big supporter of privatized prisons that funnel public money to private hands at the expense of everything else.Dec 08 15:49
schestowitz__"Dec 08 15:49
schestowitz__http://www.classwarfareexists.com/louisiana-official-wants-to-close-libraries-because-theyre-teaching-mexicans-to-speak-english/Dec 08 15:49
TechrightsBot-trwww.classwarfareexists.com | Louisiana Official Wants To Close Libraries Because “They’re Teaching Mexicans To Speak English.” ‹ I Acknowledge Class Warfare Exists  [ http://ur1.ca/g5tua ]Dec 08 15:49
schestowitz__http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120903/19185920260/libraries-go-direct-to-indie-authors-rather-than-deal-with-big-publisher-ebook-limits.shtmlDec 08 15:49
TechrightsBot-trwww.techdirt.com | Libraries Go Direct To Indie Authors, Rather Than Deal With Big Publisher Ebook Limits | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/a5z23 ]Dec 08 15:49
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3385211Dec 08 16:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Connecting the Dots between #Microsoft Backdoors, #NSA #Corruption and the Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme http://www.opednews.com/articles/Connecting-the-Dots-betwee-by-David-Spring-Spying-131206-522.htmlDec 08 16:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.opednews.com | Article: Connecting the Dots between Microsoft Backdoors, NSA Corruption and the Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme | OpEdNews  [ http://ur1.ca/g5sfx ]Dec 08 16:08
schestowitz__"This is an interesting article but the author does not seem to understand that Windows itself makes any computer running it part of a Microsoft botnet and that non free software always comes with that power. He writes about various malware attacks and Microsoft collusion with the NSA without realizing that additional malware is simply redundant and may only exist because the NSA does not trust Microsoft."Dec 08 16:08
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3386284Dec 08 16:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FBI can secretly turn on laptop cameras without the indicator light  http://gizmodo.com/fbi-can-secretly-activate-laptop-cameras-without-the-in-1478371370 in case you didn't know...Dec 08 16:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> gizmodo.com | FBI can secretly turn on laptop cameras without the indicator light  [ http://ur1.ca/g5p1r ]Dec 08 16:08
schestowitz__"Hope they like videos of the back of a piece of electrical tape."Dec 08 16:08
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3386150Dec 08 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux Journal Readers’ Choice Awards: Ubuntu Weak, Unity Shunned http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/12/06/linux-journal-readers-choice-awards-ubuntu-weak-unity-shunned/ #ubuntu #linux #unityDec 08 16:09
schestowitz__"congrats... one of the GNU/Linux evangelists"Dec 08 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr-> scienceblogs.com | Linux Journal Readers’ Choice Awards: Ubuntu Weak, Unity Shunned – Greg Laden's Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g5twh ]Dec 08 16:09
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Sosumiand how could I forgetDec 08 18:17
SosumiIn-Q-TelDec 08 18:17
SosumiCIA's tech financing frontDec 08 18:17
Sosumihttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/additional-publications/in-q-telDec 08 18:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.cia.gov | In-Q-Tel — Central Intelligence Agency  [ http://ur1.ca/g5u9l ]Dec 08 18:18
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-08/bitcoin-derivatives-market-has-arrivedDec 08 18:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | The Bitcoin Derivatives Market Has Arrived | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g5ua6 ]Dec 08 18:26
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3386284Dec 08 19:03
schestowitz__"Dec 08 19:05
schestowitz__To put it in perspective, even if you cover the camera, the microphone gives police all sorts of power. Think of the lengths the FBI had to go to when they bugged MLK so they could send audio recordings of someone having sex in his room to his wife. Who wants all their whoo-haa noises recorded and played back to them like that?Dec 08 19:05
schestowitz__It's getting worse than 1984. Orwell only imagined people being able to afford one bug in their house that Winston could avoid. If all the devices in your house have this power, you won't be able to hide anywhere. It's already against the law in the US to mod devices by "jail breaking" them. How long will it be before disabling the Xbox camera is against some new copyright law and installing free software on Dec 08 19:05
schestowitz__any computer is also forbidden?Dec 08 19:05
schestowitz__"Dec 08 19:05
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MinceRgnDec 08 23:33
Sosumihttp://podcasts.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/microsoft-exec-hints-separate-windows-release-trains-consumers-business-232299Dec 09 00:11
TechrightsBot-trpodcasts.infoworld.com | Microsoft exec hints at separate Windows release trains for consumers, business | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g5vdl ]Dec 09 00:11
Sosumidumping metro would be enoughDec 09 00:11
Sosumibut who cares, here M$ have a nitroglicerin boxDec 09 00:12
Sosumiand trow it to the ground with all strength you haveDec 09 00:12
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DaemonFC2 minutes ago · EditedDec 09 04:46
DaemonFCI picked up some kind of free Lassus discount card that said 7 cents per gallon discount on gas. Then I noticed that you have to go online and give them your bank account routing number.Dec 09 04:46
DaemonFCMy cash back credit card gives me 1.5% on everything. Gas is $3.35 a gallon right now. That's 5 cents per gallon back, and I don't have to give them my bank account number.Dec 09 04:46
DaemonFCSo, giving them my routing number means that:Dec 09 04:46
DaemonFC1. I get another 40 cent off, per tank of gas (2 cents per gallon * 20 gallon tank)... Woohoo.Dec 09 04:46
DaemonFC2. If the card falls out of my wallet, anyone can gas up their car, and it comes out of my checking account, and I have no fraud protection like my credit card gives me.Dec 09 04:46
DaemonFC3. If their server is cracked, then the thieves get my bank account routing number and can take as much money out of my bank account as they like, and....no fraud protection.Dec 09 04:46
DaemonFCIs the card worth the risk? No. Maybe people without cash back credit cards would use it, but I don't think that saving $1 a month extra on gas is worth the risk.Dec 09 04:46
*DaemonFC thinks he found the right one....again.Dec 09 04:57
DaemonFCMaybe the 150th time is the charm.Dec 09 04:57
DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/602145_542769449147406_77902526_n.jpgDec 09 05:02
DaemonFCLOLDec 09 05:02
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 09 05:11
DaemonFCThankfully, Microsoft has spared itself the embarrassment of porting Internet Explorer to Android. I can't think of a single person who actually wants that thing. If it wasn't included with Windows without an uninstaller program, it would be toast.Dec 09 05:11
DaemonFChttps://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/p480x480/1394385_191571287713725_1783073480_n.jpgDec 09 05:11
DaemonFChttp://toastytech.com/evil/rants.htmlDec 09 05:14
TechrightsBot-trtoastytech.com | RantsDec 09 05:14
DaemonFC7/03/13Dec 09 05:14
DaemonFCIt's kind of disturbing how many of these backwards Windows 8 machines are out there now. I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a backlash. The average person is just going to put up with it, but reports are PC sales have significantly dropped.Dec 09 05:14
DaemonFCIt is hilarious how Microsoft keeps pointing their finger and blaming tablets as the single cause of low PC sales. Everyone knows the real reason PC sales are dropping are:Dec 09 05:14
DaemonFC1: Nobody wants Windows 8Dec 09 05:14
DaemonFC2: Old desktop computers are good enoughDec 09 05:14
DaemonFC3: You can, indeed, look at pictures of cats on a tablet or "phone" without Windows.Dec 09 05:14
DaemonFCBut people have forgotten why personal computing came about in the first place. Go back and look at the software that made companies buy IBM PCs in the first place. These were spread sheets, word processors, databases, financial programs and such. Those needs may seem mundane today but they are not magically going away, and they are just as critical to businesses as they were then. And those are not the sort of things you can easily do on a Dec 09 05:14
DaemonFCtoy phone or tablet.Dec 09 05:14
DaemonFCIf all you do is look at pictures of cats and clips of Family Guy, then by all means get a tablet. I don't care. But don't try and shove your dumbed down user interfaces on desktops where they don't belong.Dec 09 05:14
DaemonFCThe really crazy thing is how each time a Windows 8 story comes up, comments are usually filled with obvious Microsoft shill posts saying things along the lines of "Windows 8 works great for me! It is so much better! And there is something wrong with you if you can't get used to it and like it". And never a single drop of detail backing up what they claim to be "better".Dec 09 05:14
DaemonFCAnd Microsoft shills are already flapping their heads about "Windows 8.1", trying to make it sound like a complete 180. All Microsoft has done is touch up a couple of things that shouldn't have been messed up in the first place. "They listened" my ass. Brought back the Start button? What a joke. I think this Penny Arcade comic sums up the situation quite nicely: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/28Dec 09 05:14
TechrightsBot-trpenny-arcade.com | Penny Arcade - What You Wish ForDec 09 05:14
DaemonFCBTW, Google sure knows its user base well! Using clips of Family Guy in their Chrome advertisements... Damn that show is so retarded. Dec 09 05:14
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DaemonFCshared Americans Against The Republican Party's photo.Dec 09 06:51
DaemonFC6 seconds agoDec 09 06:51
DaemonFCMy cat's name was Yule before I changed it to Jabba.Dec 09 06:51
DaemonFCI doubt that the last owner got the irony of naming a neutered cat after a Scandinavian fertility god.Dec 09 06:51
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DaemonFChttp://www.examiner.com/article/report-facebook-paid-no-taxes-2012-received-massive-rebateDec 09 07:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.examiner.com | Report: Facebook paid no taxes in 2012, received massive rebate - Orlando liberal | Examiner.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g5wlb ]Dec 09 07:35
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schestowitz__Now comes all the PR: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/internet-companies-demand-spying-overhaul-after-nsa-revelations-live-reactionDec 09 08:43
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Internet companies demand spying overhaul after NSA revelations – live reaction | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g5wxv ]Dec 09 08:43
schestowitz__DaemonFC: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/602145_542769449147406_77902526_n.jpgDec 09 08:45
schestowitz__I don't get itDec 09 08:45
schestowitz__Is she the fruitcake?Dec 09 08:45
schestowitz__Isn't that a phrase for gay?Dec 09 08:45
iophkgenerally short for 'nutty as a ...'Dec 09 08:52
DaemonFCschestowitz__: what iophk saidDec 09 08:55
DaemonFCI've been promoting certain Android apps on my Facebook page.Dec 09 08:55
DaemonFCThere's been a few that I've found very useful.Dec 09 08:55
DaemonFCI switched my Google search widget to DuckDuckGo and changed mobile Firefox to use that. I managed to get Adblock Plus working in Firefox.Dec 09 08:56
DaemonFCIt's weird.Dec 09 08:56
DaemonFCYou have to install ABP, force kill Firefox, restart Firefox, and then go into the settings menu to change ABP settings.Dec 09 08:56
DaemonFCThe add on and the settings menu don't work until you force kill Firefox and restart it...Dec 09 08:57
DaemonFCThis is not the only Android device I've had this problem with.Dec 09 08:57
DaemonFCI prefer using my Facebook account with Firefox instead of their app, because ABP blocks the "sponsored" garbage in my timeline.Dec 09 08:59
DaemonFCSome women decided to name their daughters "Ryan" back in the 80s and 90s.Dec 09 09:01
DaemonFCSomeone told me that someone I knew was dating someone named Ryan. So I said "Is he gay?" and I got "No. Ryan is his girlfriend."Dec 09 09:01
DaemonFCWTF were those women thinking?Dec 09 09:01
DaemonFCThis is just wrong.Dec 09 09:02
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2317563/android-flashlight-app-rapped-for-leaking-location-informationDec 09 09:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Android Flashlight app rapped for leaking location information- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g5x10 ]Dec 09 09:03
DaemonFCI have a flashlight app. It came with the phone.Dec 09 09:04
DaemonFCThere's a couple apps that I'd rather not have, but I'd have to root the phone and void the warranty to get rid of them. So I just disabled them.Dec 09 09:05
DaemonFCI don't want to void the warranty on a $650 phone.Dec 09 09:05
DaemonFCI love the phone though. That Gorilla Glass 3 is some TOUGH stuff.Dec 09 09:06
iophkThe warranty is bundled to the software and not limited to hardware?Dec 09 09:06
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389084Dec 09 09:06
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cablegate shows that US diplomats (potentially acting as covert #CIA agents also) just serve corporate agenda http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/CablegateDec 09 09:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Cablegate - Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/54iqi ]Dec 09 09:06
schestowitz__"ALL diplomatic missions are primarily economic. A close relative was a british ambassador (Gr4), and used to speak candidly with my father and me."Dec 09 09:06
DaemonFCiophk: LG says they void the warranty if you root the phone.Dec 09 09:06
DaemonFCYou have to root the phone to remove bundled apps.Dec 09 09:06
schestowitz__iophk: I saw thatDec 09 09:06
DaemonFCIt's just like a couple of apps I don't want, so I just disabled them.Dec 09 09:06
DaemonFCThey have some spyware called Lumen Toolbar that comes with the phone.Dec 09 09:08
DaemonFCI didn't want it on so I disabled it.Dec 09 09:08
DaemonFCIt says it will "interact with" Chrome/Android Browser and "provide relevant contextual information and related links".Dec 09 09:09
DaemonFCIn other words, it's spyware and it probably injects fucking advertisements into web pages somehow.Dec 09 09:09
DaemonFCI didn't feel like dealing with that. It's in the Android app store too. It's rated 2 stars.Dec 09 09:09
DaemonFC"Any woman who married for love gets exactly what she deserves...a shitty ring and four ugly kids."Dec 09 09:14
DaemonFCMy ex was quoting Joan Rivers.Dec 09 09:14
MinceRgeekingsDec 09 09:19
iophkold - http://www.wncinfosec.com/dropbox-opening-my-docs/Dec 09 09:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.wncinfosec.com | Dropbox…opening my docs? | wncinfosec  [ http://ur1.ca/fiium ]Dec 09 09:26
schestowitz__LOL: satireDec 09 09:28
schestowitz__" President Obama, who has denied previous knowledge of the site, assured Merkel that he has never seen any of the videos - which reportedly include such titles as "Chancellor Takes Husband's Giant Frankfurter" and "Menkel Farts in Leather Chair"."Dec 09 09:28
schestowitz__http://www.codewit.com/strange-news/14634-nsa-promises-to-shut-down-merkel-porn-site-in-near-futureDec 09 09:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.codewit.com | NSA Promises to Shut Down Merkel Porn Site in Near Future - Strange News - Codewit World News  [ http://ur1.ca/g5x3r ]Dec 09 09:28
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msb_http://truth-out.org/news/item/20495-vermont-approves-single-payer-health-care-everybody-in-nobody-outDec 09 11:00
TechrightsBot-trtruth-out.org | Vermont Approves Single-Payer Health Care: "Everybody In, Nobody Out"  [ http://ur1.ca/g5xmv ]Dec 09 11:00
msb_With TV appearance by Sen. Bernie Sanders.Dec 09 11:01
msb_But not complete until 2017.Dec 09 11:01
msb_Lots of luck to him avoiding assassination til then.Dec 09 11:04
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389444Dec 09 11:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: <img src="http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/161766-windows_nobg.png" width="288" height="192" alt="c">Dec 09 11:13
schestowitz__"Some people think linux users are angry at Microsoft. We aren't angry, we pity the users of expensive and poorly produced shitware. I feel pity for myself during the days before linux was accessible to me. It was hell to have to use that mess, And you know I did try to use Windows 8 with this laptop because I'd been scared by the horror stories of UEFI. Thankfully it was an HP and the same day I said screw it,Dec 09 11:13
schestowitz__I'd rather lose the thing that use it this way."Dec 09 11:13
MinceRhttp://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/everyday-I-pray-to-god.pngDec 09 11:56
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/bmagnanti/status/410013806979338240Dec 09 14:10
TechrightsBot-tr@bmagnanti: Proposing to police the internet for things law enforcement can barely handle in real life strikes me as fundamentally disingenuous...Dec 09 14:10
schestowitz__MinceR: that it proof of he the greatest creatorDec 09 14:10
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MinceRhttp://pix.echtlustig.com/1307/warum-bist-du-vegetarier-geworden.jpgDec 09 14:27
Sosumiplants have  feelingsDec 09 14:30
Sosumithey just happen to express them in a not so common way to humans to understandDec 09 14:31
Sosumibut if you look at the chemistry you'll seeDec 09 14:31
MinceRindeedDec 09 14:31
MinceRthe chemical distress signal of grass smells nice :>Dec 09 14:31
Sosumi:)Dec 09 14:32
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Sosumihttp://appleinsider.com/articles/13/12/09/apple-joins-google-microsoft-others-in-support-of-government-surveillance-reformDec 09 15:33
TechrightsBot-trappleinsider.com | Apple joins Google, Microsoft, others in support of government surveillance reform  [ http://ur1.ca/g5yqt ]Dec 09 15:33
Sosumiafter the hypocrites were caught collaborating with the instelligence complexDec 09 15:34
Sosuminow the want to save faceDec 09 15:34
iophkIt's just empty PRDec 09 15:49
iophkIt wont' affect how they do business with the NSA in all likelihood.Dec 09 15:50
iophkBut they have been making noise about it the last few days.Dec 09 15:51
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Sosumithree In-Q-Tel companies complaining about the NSADec 09 16:06
Sosumiwhat a jokeDec 09 16:06
Sosumispecially googleDec 09 16:06
Sosumiwho's business is dataminingDec 09 16:07
Sosumiand with crapple and M$ wanting to eat into that businessDec 09 16:07
Sosumicrapple with iAdd and M$ with BING AddsDec 09 16:07
Sosumisry, iAdDec 09 16:08
Sosumihttps://developer.apple.com/iad/Dec 09 16:08
TechrightsBot-trdeveloper.apple.com | iAd - Apple DeveloperDec 09 16:08
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/12/09/budapest-district-loves-floss/Dec 09 17:00
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Budapest District Loves FLOSS  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/g5z1w ]Dec 09 17:00
MinceRthere's still a lot of resistance hereDec 09 17:04
iophkThey resist as long as they exist, I expect.Dec 09 17:04
iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/09/internet-surveillance-spyingDec 09 17:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | We cannot afford to be indifferent to internet spying | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g5z2h ]Dec 09 17:08
iophkhttp://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2013/12/christmas-comes-early-for-the.htmlDec 09 17:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerweekly.com | Christmas comes early for the Open Document Faithful (ODF) - Public Sector IT  [ http://ur1.ca/g5jul ]Dec 09 17:11
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MinceRafaik there is no such thing as ".odf" (from the article)Dec 09 17:31
MinceRhm, i was wrongDec 09 17:32
MinceRit's a formula document :>Dec 09 17:32
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iophkhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/12/09/tech-companies-seeking-surveillance-reform-spent-35-million-lobbying-last-year/Dec 09 18:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Tech Companies Seeking Surveillance Reform Spent $35 Million Lobbying Last Year - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zdi ]Dec 09 18:44
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Sosumiseb³ the magicianDec 09 19:20
SosumiheyDec 09 19:20
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/video-game-news/10505273/Xbox-owners-tricked-into-destroying-consoles.htmlDec 09 19:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Xbox owners tricked into destroying consoles - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zmg ]Dec 09 19:30
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iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2070760/documents-leaked-again-amid-secret-trade-negotiations.htmlDec 09 20:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | Wikileaks exposes secret, controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zr1 ]Dec 09 20:11
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10505987/Group-of-soldiers-mutinied-over-hungover-bosses-court-martial-hears.htmlDec 09 20:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Group of soldiers 'mutinied over hungover bosses', court martial hears - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zra ]Dec 09 20:13
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/french-agency-caught-minting-ssl-certificates-impersonating-google/Dec 09 20:14
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | French agency caught minting SSL certificates impersonating Google | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zre ]Dec 09 20:14
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iophkthird hand info : "Clem claims he has been asked by Canonical's legal department to license the binary packages used by Ubuntu. "Dec 09 20:56
iophkhttp://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20131209#qaDec 09 20:56
TechrightsBot-trdistrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zw1 ]Dec 09 20:56
iophktoo late: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/385906/eu-warns-nokia-not-to-become-a-patent-trollDec 09 20:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcpro.co.uk | EU warns Nokia not to become a "patent troll" | News | PC Pro  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zw6 ]Dec 09 20:58
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DaemonFCThe facts are in about the poverty rate, proposals to increase the minimum wage to $11 an hour, and switching Social Security Cost of Living Allowances using the Chained CPI for the Elderly (by raising the amount of Social Security tax that the wealthy pay).Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCThe poverty rate (under the federal poverty gudelines) in Huntington, Indiana is over 18%. If you count people who are near the poverty line, the figure balloons to over 30%.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCRaising the minimum wage to $11 an hour and using CPI-E for Social Security would reduce the poverty rate in Huntington, Indiana to something like 5-6%, and the near-poverty rate to something like 10-11%.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCNationally, these initiatives alone would also create over 250,000 new jobs over the next year after being enacted.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCThese proposals are being suppressed by the wealthy, who do not want to pay their workers, or pay a little more in taxes, and right-wing economists, who falsely claim that they would create price inflation.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCWhat *is* creating price inflation, right now, and pushing millions of Americans into poverty or near-poverty is the right-wing policies of bailing out the banksters by expanding the monetary base, and asset price manipulation and speculation by the criminal "investor class" on Wall Street.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCStates with higher minimum wages don't necessarily have higher prices. The minimum wage in Washington state is over $9 an hour, and when you go to McDonalds or Walmart, the prices are about the same as they are in any other state.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCWhat you do get when you raise the minimum wage are fewer people who need food stamps, medicaid, and rent subsidies, which are effectively corporate socialism.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCIn other words. "Hey, Walmart! Hey, McDonalds! It's cool that you don't want to pay your workers anything. We can create programs funded by the taxpayers to prop up your low wage structure and make your pay scale work.".Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCThis is the government manipulation and distortion of the market that right-wingers are always complaining about, but they exist to enable treacherous megacorporations to continue paying their workers nothing.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCAsking companies to pay their workers, rather than to take from the pockets of people who might not even do business there, seems like a really modest proposal to me.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 14 minutes ago · Edited ·Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCWhen I worked at Walmart, we had these things called "CBLs". It was basically a system where you sat down at a computer, which would "train" you to do your jobs.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCWalmart makes no bones about their position. The CBLs state that Walmart does not exist to create jobs or guarantee any standard of living for their employees; they exist to create more money for their managers and shareholders.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCThat one is in the "Labor Relations" CBL that teaches employees to despise the unions that *could* use collective bargaining to improve the lives of their workers. It's also in the "management Labor Relations" module, that tells managers how to go about firing any employees that want a better standard of living, and are openly discussing unionization.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCCorporations have no conscience. They only consider what will make them more money, and what they can get away with.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCThe law, at its best, will curtail some of those excesses.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFCAnd Corporate America has a message for the middle class as well.Dec 09 21:47
DaemonFC"Quit worrying about the decline in your living standard that is being created by us. Instead, be outraged that someone else is going to be able to eat tonight."Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 7 minutes ago · Edited ·Dec 09 21:48
DaemonFCFun Fact: If Walmart stopped spending $7 billion per year to buy back its own stock to keep the price high, it could raise the hourly wage of every employee to $14.86 per hour.Dec 09 21:49
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389932Dec 09 21:59
schestowitz__"Fedora 20 :P"Dec 09 22:00
TechrightsBot-trNot a Diaspora post?Dec 09 22:00
schestowitz__[20:59] <iophk> too late: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/385906/eu-warns-nokia-not-to-become-a-patent-trollDec 09 22:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcpro.co.uk | EU warns Nokia not to become a "patent troll" | News | PC Pro  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zw6 ]Dec 09 22:00
schestowitz__Too late indeedDec 09 22:00
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389429Dec 09 22:03
MinceREU "warnings" have no weight anywayDec 09 22:03
MinceRthey never do anythingDec 09 22:03
schestowitz__"I prefer firefox and Whonix."Dec 09 22:03
schestowitz__MinceR: it can still be a deterrenceDec 09 22:03
schestowitz__in this caseDec 09 22:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### The following is presented as a battle plan. But it is a disengagement plan:(Dec 09 22:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> theoccupiedtimes.org | How To Combat Online Surveillance | The Occupied TimesDec 09 22:03
MinceRthey even allow a dictatorship as a member stateDec 09 22:03
schestowitz__better than no warning at allDec 09 22:03
MinceRwith full voting rightsDec 09 22:03
MinceRwith all sorts of payoutsDec 09 22:03
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3390237Dec 09 22:03
schestowitz__"lol :-D"Dec 09 22:04
TechrightsBot-trNot a Diaspora post?Dec 09 22:04
DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 09 22:11
DaemonFCDear Republicans,Dec 09 22:11
DaemonFCWhen President Obama starts profiting off of the cocaine industry in Nicaragua to raise money to sell weapons to Iran, like your hero "Ronald Raygun", we'll start talking about "scandals".Dec 09 22:11
schestowitz__[18:45] <iophk> http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/12/09/tech-companies-seeking-surveillance-reform-spent-35-million-lobbying-last-year/Dec 09 22:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.forbes.com | Tech Companies Seeking Surveillance Reform Spent $35 Million Lobbying Last Year - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/g5zdi ]Dec 09 22:15
schestowitz__For surveillance? More of it?1 :-)Dec 09 22:15
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/new-us-spy-satellite-features-world-devouring-octopus/Dec 09 22:24
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | New US spy satellite features world-devouring octopus | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g607y ]Dec 09 22:24
Sosumiyour tax dollars at workDec 09 22:24
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schestowitz__no more  for healthDec 09 22:35
schestowitz__lots for corporate espionageDec 09 22:35
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3390491Dec 09 22:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The NSA should run a "terrorism and child porn appreciation day". Without them, NSA wouldn't have managed to be born and stay alive.Dec 09 22:36
schestowitz__"LOOOL :D Amazing !!"Dec 09 22:36
MinceR:>Dec 09 22:36
MinceRthey would have found or manufactured an excuse anywayDec 09 22:37
MinceRgnDec 09 22:39
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3391900Dec 09 22:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mother Jones Shows That Gates Foundation is a Hypocritical Ploy http://techrights.org/2013/12/09/mother-jones-on-gates-foundation/ #billgates #deception #investmentDec 09 22:44
schestowitz__"Most foundations exist merely as a tax-exempt dumping ground for the cash of the well-to-do. They get to deduct a boatload off of their taxes while making sure their cash goes to keep themselves rich and enhance their corporate interests."Dec 09 22:44
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Mother Jones Shows That Gates Foundation is a Hypocritical Ploy | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g60aw ]Dec 09 22:44
schestowitz__They think og it as "doing good" while making money. They can't see that not paying tax is in itself not good.Dec 09 22:44
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3391924Dec 09 22:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Fedora 20 About a Week AwayDec 09 22:45
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Fedora 20 About a Week Away | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g60b1 ]Dec 09 22:45
schestowitz__"so is your birthday?"Dec 09 22:45
schestowitz__yes, 32ndDec 09 22:45
sebsebsebschestowitz__: Fedora 20 neary out didn't know thatDec 09 23:00
sebsebsebthey used to also release closer to the GNOME releases didn't theyDec 09 23:00
sebsebseb,but I guess the delay  that happended put htat of a bit?Dec 09 23:00
sebsebsebfEDORA 17 delay 18 or whatever it wasDec 09 23:00
sebsebsebschestowitz__: hmm you showed KDE in your screenshot not GNOMEDec 09 23:01
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389959Dec 10 06:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: GNU/Linux is getting some nice games http://gamingbolt.com/metro-last-light-comes-to-linux-and-it-largely-survives-the-transitionDec 10 06:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> gamingbolt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/g62n3 ]Dec 10 06:31
schestowitz"The guy who wrote this is a moron. OpenGL, by itself, is the best platform to play games. Linux, by itself, is the best platform to play games. Put them together and Neptune's the limit."Dec 10 06:31
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389921Dec 10 06:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "email security and encryption have become more complex and more of a necessity" http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/2013120707481589/EmailEncryption.htmlDec 10 06:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxlinks.com | Top Email Encryption Tools - Linux Links - The Linux Portal Site  [ http://ur1.ca/g62na ]Dec 10 06:32
schestowitz"It's a bad time for Kmail to fall apart."Dec 10 06:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389105Dec 10 06:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Britain's GCHQ and America's NSA" assisted by "Google, Facebook and Microsoft" http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/528387/20131208/paedophiles-dark-net-tor-child-abuse-nsa.htm complicitDec 10 06:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.ibtimes.co.uk | GCHQ and NSA Join Forces to Hunt Paedophiles on 'Dark Net' - IBTimes UK  [ http://ur1.ca/g62nq ]Dec 10 06:36
schestowitz"This is probably the most direct and disturbing evidence of Google hijack. They have been convinced to turn their image recognition software against users and are acting as police."Dec 10 06:36
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iophkBoth Firefox and Chrome now : http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUzODADec 10 08:49
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Mozilla Firefox Enables VP9 Video Codec By Default  [ http://ur1.ca/g634r ]Dec 10 08:49
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3390775Dec 10 09:11
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The last time corporate press accused China of 'hacking' governments was shortly before NSAGate. Used to be monthly.Dec 10 09:11
schestowitz"[nodding] ...and how much has anyone said since...?"Dec 10 09:11
schestowitziophk: yes, seen thatDec 10 09:11
iophksmall but good newsDec 10 09:12
iophkmore support of open codecs is an advancementDec 10 09:12
schestowitzYeah, Rianne posted it in TuxMachinesDec 10 09:12
schestowitzit's easy to miss the newsDec 10 09:12
schestowitzthe original is just some code changeDec 10 09:13
iophkI'll have to start checking there more regularlyDec 10 09:13
schestowitzno announcment from mozilla that I can seeDec 10 09:13
schestowitzPhoronix does have an eye for things, though I reckon he gets headups in the forums, IRC, email, etcDec 10 09:13
schestowitzToday I had some email arguments with Red Hat staffDec 10 09:13
schestowitzover UEFIDec 10 09:13
iophkare they still pushing restricted boot?Dec 10 09:14
iophk"and then pay $99 and sign that with Microsoft."Dec 10 09:16
iophkhttp://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.htmlDec 10 09:16
TechrightsBot-trmjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Implementing UEFI Secure Boot in FedoraDec 10 09:16
iophkthough that was a year agoDec 10 09:16
schestowitzyeahDec 10 09:20
iophkI thought it was a bad precedent to establish a need for RH to pay M$ just for the privilege of booting.  That means that the price and frequency of payment are possible to change now that they're over the big hump.Dec 10 09:22
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/12/massive-domestic-monitorning/Dec 10 09:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Cops and Feds Routinely 'Dump' Cell Towers to Track Everyone Nearby | Threat Level | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g63ce ]Dec 10 09:36
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iophkhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/agencies-collected-data-on-americans-cellphone-use-in-thousands-of-tower-dumps/2013/12/08/20549190-5e80-11e3-be07-006c776266ed_story.htmlDec 10 11:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Agencies collected data on Americans’ cellphone use in thousands of ‘tower dumps’ - The Washington Post  [ http://ur1.ca/g641i ]Dec 10 11:42
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/10499993/20-years-of-Doom-the-game-that-put-a-gun-in-your-hand.htmlDec 10 13:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | 20 years of Doom: the game that put a gun in your hand - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g64mj ]Dec 10 13:54
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schestowitz__What does Ubuntu have for booting that other distros lack? nothing I can think of, it's just a matter of hobby/reserve engineering.Dec 10 14:08
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iophkI thought they all boot with grub or grub2 now.Dec 10 14:09
schestowitz__[14:04] <schestowitz> https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394347Dec 10 14:10
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I once used a Chromebook. It's easy, too limiting _for me_. But some wrongly assume it's for everyone, then bash it. http://www.techtree.com/content/reviews/5144/review-acer-chromebook-c720.htmlDec 10 14:10
schestowitz__[14:05] <schestowitz> "Once I hear that it is a piece of cake to install a distro of my choice on it, I'll be interested. I've heard otherwise."Dec 10 14:10
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techtree.com | Review: Acer Chromebook C720 | TechTree.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g64or ]Dec 10 14:10
schestowitz__[14:05] <schestowitz> iophk: Wolfenstein predates itDec 10 14:10
schestowitz__[14:06] <schestowitz> "I bought one for my parents. My Dad was the techie at home until his stroke a few years ago fried that entire part of his brain. My mom had not used a computer until a few months prior. My brother got an HP laptop with XP for them and it worked well for a few months and then got some malware. He cleaned it and the cycle repeated for a while. They didn't want a tablet since it would be a new paradigm that they Dec 10 14:10
schestowitz__would need to learn so I Dec 10 14:10
schestowitz__[14:06] <schestowitz> picked up a Chromebook for them a few months ago. They have loved it! All that they need it for is surfing the internet and doing email, so it has been a perfect fit for them."Dec 10 14:10
schestowitz__[14:06] <schestowitz> Good to hearDec 10 14:10
schestowitz__[14:08] <schestowitz> "I've heard of some getting Ubuntu up and running on it, but that's not my distro of choice."Dec 10 14:11
iophkWolfenstein 3d predates it, but Doom was *the* phenomenon.Dec 10 14:11
iophkIt was a major craze for a while.Dec 10 14:11
iophkIt also made some people motion sick.Dec 10 14:11
schestowitz__what has changed since?Dec 10 14:12
schestowitz__though some FPS for Linux, UT IIRC, made me sick a few years agDec 10 14:12
schestowitz__headache after less than an hour under Mint with standard monitorDec 10 14:12
iophkYou could see people dodging physically in their chairs when they played DoomDec 10 14:13
iophkIIRC the early version did something nasty with the LAN using broadcast packets or something.Dec 10 14:14
iophkSo it got a lot of attention from all sides.  Dec 10 14:14
schestowitz__[14:13] <iophk> You could see people dodging physically in their chairs when they played DoomDec 10 14:16
schestowitz__LOLDec 10 14:16
schestowitz__InstinctsDec 10 14:17
iophkPeople got quite absorbed.  Dec 10 14:17
schestowitz__To a lesser degree people sometimes do this, or they hit the keyboard harder as though the keyboard has sensors for strenghtDec 10 14:17
iophkThose that had computers in their dorm rooms played with headphones, late into the night.Dec 10 14:18
iophkSome of those would forget and end up shouting, waking up room mates, when surprised by monsters.Dec 10 14:18
iophkMUDs/MOOs were more detrimental.  There were people that didn't eat/sleep/shave/attend class because of MUDs/MOOsDec 10 14:20
iophkThey usually were gone in a term or two.Dec 10 14:20
AgnesiMUDs/MOOs?Dec 10 14:50
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Sosumimade up drama?Dec 10 14:53
iophkhttp://www.itworld.com/internet/385679/twitter-gobbles-more-cookies-retargeted-ads-says-users-have-privacy-choicesDec 10 14:55
iophkhttp://bigdatablog.emc.com/2012/07/11/how-will-twitters-api-restrictions-affect-big-data-applications-datasift-helps-clarify-whats-going-on/Dec 10 14:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.itworld.com | Twitter gobbles up more cookies with retargeted ads, says users have privacy choices | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/g64uz ]Dec 10 14:55
TechrightsBot-trbigdatablog.emc.com | How Will Twitter’s API Restrictions Affect Big Data Applications? DataSift Helps Clarify What’s Going On - EMC Big Data  [ http://ur1.ca/g64v0 ]Dec 10 14:55
iophkchanneling twitter users into narrower options, more likely to be exposed to adsDec 10 14:56
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08/new-api-severely-restricts-third-party-twitter-applications/Dec 10 14:57
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | New API severely restricts third-party Twitter applications | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g64v5 ]Dec 10 14:57
iophkoldDec 10 14:57
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394376Dec 10 15:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: PCLinuxOS 2013.12 KDE, MATE and LXDE released http://m.itworld.com/open-source/386449/pclinuxos-201312-kde-mate-and-lxde-released #pclos #mate #lxdeDec 10 15:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> m.itworld.com | PCLinuxOS 2013.12 KDE, MATE and LXDE released | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/g64xu ]Dec 10 15:21
schestowitz__"kernel 3.4 is you fuh real, texstar?"Dec 10 15:22
schestowitz__WowDec 10 15:22
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394347Dec 10 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I once used a Chromebook. It's easy, too limiting _for me_. But some wrongly assume it's for everyone, then bash it. http://www.techtree.com/content/reviews/5144/review-acer-chromebook-c720.htmlDec 10 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techtree.com | Review: Acer Chromebook C720 | TechTree.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g64or ]Dec 10 15:27
schestowitz__"I have to use Ralink drivers on this laptop. I don't feel any way about that, it's just something I have to deal with until they get reverse engineered or opened to the public."Dec 10 15:27
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3393774Dec 10 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: USSR remembered: assassinating people abroad makes CIA no better than KGB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j4SWr9BsCUDec 10 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.youtube.com | Inside the KGB: Terror of the Soviet Union | History Documentary - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g63hp ]Dec 10 15:27
schestowitz__"Is that Ronald Reagan narrating?"Dec 10 15:27
schestowitz__Like Obama, speaking seems to be his main skillDec 10 15:28
schestowitz__When I watched the credit at the end this morning I noticed that some people of Russian origins helped put it together, so there's some credibility to this information and it's not something like "History" channel. Overall, worth a watch.Dec 10 15:29
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394648Dec 10 16:07
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk attitude towards FOSS summed up by one idiotic statement http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3493090/open-source-wasnt-available-two-years-ago-says-universal-credit-chief/Dec 10 16:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.computerworlduk.com | Open source 'wasn't available' two years ago, says Universal Credit chief - ComputerworldUK.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g653r ]Dec 10 16:08
schestowitz__"Umm, I started installing Linux on things in 1995. So, ... ... ... s/he is about 15 years wrong?"Dec 10 16:08
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394606Dec 10 16:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Twitter adds ads. "Twitter will start delivering targeted ads on mobile devices based on Web browsing data" http://www.itworld.com/internet/385679/twitter-gobbles-more-cookies-retargeted-ads-says-users-have-privacy-choicesDec 10 16:08
schestowitz__"-> You twit ergo you buy <-"Dec 10 16:08
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schestowitz__http://youtu.be/DLmVwfuMEHYDec 10 16:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Storyville: Pussy Riot A Punk Prayer - YouTubeDec 10 16:10
schestowitz__Using one pretty face to get public sympathy and sell Westerners the story that only Russia is evil corrupt etc.Dec 10 16:10
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/Dec 10 16:12
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | “We cannot trust” Intel and Via’s chip-based crypto, FreeBSD developers say | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g654o ]Dec 10 16:12
schestowitz__taDec 10 16:20
iophkIt was in the news a few weeks ago in another context, too. Different developers saying about the same thing.Dec 10 16:24
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3394706Dec 10 16:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google #censorship again http://ibnlive.in.com/news/condom-to-sex-googles-weird-list-of-banned-words-for-android-44-kitkat/438654-11.html should be ashamed of themselves. #freespeechDec 10 16:41
TechrightsBot-tr-> ibnlive.in.com | Condom to sex: Google's weird list of banned words for Android 4.4 KitKat  [ http://ur1.ca/g655r ]Dec 10 16:41
schestowitz__"The mine have no support for the cyanogenmod to :-("Dec 10 16:41
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3393036Dec 10 16:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Facebook and #Microsoft do *not* "unite to call for restrictions on NSA spying",they are uniting to change perception of collusion in crimeDec 10 16:42
schestowitz__"Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__What I've found funny about the Facebook, Microsoft, and Google gamut; is that despite all their shouting. MS keeps shifting back to a game of "no comment" every time a new bit of their complicity comes out (e.g. the recent revelations about the X-Box live network) and they've basically taken an angle of "if you close your eyes they can't see you" as it pertains to Win8 and Server 2012 basically being made huge trojans worked out Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__with IBM, Cisco, Intel, and else.....that is to say, they've made just shy of no public comment on the matter.Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__Google's Eric has shifted to some odd acts of pretending like Google is looking to be i2p or something while simultaneously doing absolutely nothing like the i2p project.Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__And we have similar with Facebook. Notably with Facebook, it was funny to see comments made by Zuckerberg recently that led to a bunch of comments from his own users (for the most part) calling "Bull".Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ise8FUxw8IDec 10 16:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | In heaven everything is fine - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g65au ]Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__The Enterprise market is running from all three facets (and A LOT MORE) in droves. Simply put, the Enterprise market isn't fooled by the statements and the companies are all more than aware of that. The statements are meant for fooling the consumer market public. I question if there moves here are effective.....or if they simply anger the public. (again, take a look at comments to Zuckerberg from Facebook users)Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__"Dec 10 16:42
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/410449777742974976Dec 10 16:48
TechrightsBot-tr@candtalan: Lack of trust in chip based  cryto: @omgubuntu Please note? via  @schestowitzDec 10 16:48
schestowitz__T'so complained. RAND seems tampered with.Dec 10 16:49
iophkGood memoryDec 10 16:49
schestowitz__!google tso randDec 10 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Rand + Jen | Chehalis, WA » JEROME TSO PHOTOGRAPHY – The ... | http://www.jerometsophotography.com/blog/%3Fp%3D24305Dec 10 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Rand + Jennifer | Olympia Engagement » JEROME TSO ... | http://www.jerometsophotography.com/blog/%3Fp%3D21562Dec 10 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Musicafella - Live @ Tso's Butchery - Kagiso, West Rand [JHB ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQD6bDcGqyPQDec 10 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Jerome Tso Photography | Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jerome-Tso-Photography/12163593428Dec 10 16:50
schestowitz__!google tso rand linuxDec 10 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Schneier on Security: Insecurities in the Linux /dev/random | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/insecurities_in.htmlDec 10 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Linux /dev/random source | http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~daw/rnd/linux-randDec 10 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Rocky Rand | LinkedIn | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rocky-rand/8/9b9/242Dec 10 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Linus Responds To RdRand Petition With Scorn - Slashdot | http://slashdot.org/story/13/09/10/1311247/linus-responds-to-rdrand-petition-with-scornDec 10 16:50
iophkI got very different results.Dec 10 16:50
iophkGoogle varies from country to country I think.Dec 10 16:51
iophk"Did you mean:Dec 10 16:51
iophktor and linuxDec 10 16:51
iophktorrent linux"Dec 10 16:51
schestowitz__hehDec 10 16:51
schestowitz__I should wrtie about the FAT rulingDec 10 16:52
schestowitz__soonDec 10 16:52
schestowitz__maybe tonight,  not sure when to work on thew RMS videosDec 10 16:52
iophkdid you get through the old ones already?  Or will they be mixed with the new?Dec 10 16:53
schestowitz__I finished the Oxford onesDec 10 16:56
schestowitz__I got the GNU questions answeredDec 10 16:56
schestowitz__and it's not time-sensitiveDec 10 16:56
schestowitz__I will catch up with it in a few days, I took vacation from work till 21st of Dec. IIRCDec 10 16:56
schestowitz__Some parties and other events coming, but other than that, lots of time to do project work like moving TuxMachines between serversDec 10 16:57
schestowitz__TM might be down soonDec 10 16:57
schestowitz__Lots of snowstorms in the USDec 10 16:57
schestowitz__and some threaten to take power down FOR DAYSDec 10 16:57
schestowitz__So I was told by the current hostDec 10 16:57
iophkPower outages will be more interesting with smartphones.  Those only hold their charge for a few hours.Dec 10 16:57
schestowitz__US becomes like post-USSR collapse RussiaDec 10 16:57
schestowitz__Not like FinlandDec 10 16:57
iophkThere were some hundreds of thousands with out power this season in southern Finland.Dec 10 16:58
schestowitz__I've not had an outage here for like 3 years or more, not even for a few secon dsDec 10 16:58
schestowitz__iophk: ah, I didn't know thatDec 10 16:58
schestowitz__is that near Estonia?Dec 10 16:58
iophkaccross the waterDec 10 16:59
iophkSweden doesn't do so well either, this last decade. Dec 10 16:59
iophkTens of thousands without power in either place is not that uncommon in a big storm.Dec 10 17:00
iophkunits = householdsDec 10 17:01
iophkin both casesDec 10 17:01
schestowitz__wow, eye-openingDec 10 17:04
schestowitz__Maybe I forgot how to appreciate persistence of powerDec 10 17:04
schestowitz__so instead I sometimes complain about BTDec 10 17:04
schestowitz__Which BTW has been OK for the past 2 months, a disaster before that...Dec 10 17:04
MinceRmy smartphone could last for a dayDec 10 17:09
MinceRor moreDec 10 17:09
MinceRalso, a power bank can help :>Dec 10 17:09
iophkIn parts of the US many have simply bought generators.Dec 10 17:13
iophkThat's a really inefficient and polluting way to provide less power overall.Dec 10 17:13
MinceRit does keep working when the power grid dies, thoughDec 10 17:15
iophkYeah, it's cheaper and less polluting to keep the grid going.Dec 10 17:15
iophkBut that's apparently not a priority any more.Dec 10 17:15
iophkMaintenance has been cut back.Dec 10 17:16
iophkold - http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/11/copper-scavengers-loot-high-tech-infrastructure/67068/Dec 10 17:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.theatlantic.com | Copper Scavengers Loot High-Tech Infrastructure - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic  [ http://ur1.ca/g65gf ]Dec 10 17:17
MinceRif human civilization collapses, the power grid will follow :>Dec 10 17:18
iophkand the plumbingDec 10 17:19
MinceRand eventually the paved roadsDec 10 17:20
iophkfood is transported such long distances now that starvation will happen early onDec 10 17:20
iophkI would expect that few if any farms would survive bandit and looters and waves of refugees.Dec 10 17:21
iophkEven if they did, they're no draft animals to speak of and the diesel would quickly run out.Dec 10 17:21
iophkEven if there were draft animals they'd get eaten by the above bandits, looters and refugees, so that the starvation would be complete.Dec 10 17:22
iophkSame for seed corn, etc.Dec 10 17:22
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iophk' President Obama criticized leaders "who claim solidarity with Mandela  struggle for freedom, but do not tolerate dissent from their own  people."'Dec 10 17:34
iophkhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/12/10/obama_too_many_leaders_claim_solidarity_with_mandela_but_do_not_tolerate_dissent_from_their_own_people.htmlDec 10 17:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.realclearpolitics.com | Obama: Too Many Leaders Claim Solidarity With Mandela, "But Do Not Tolerate Dissent From Their Own People" | Video | RealClearPolitics  [ http://ur1.ca/g65ie ]Dec 10 17:34
iophkhe said it in his speech in the stadium there.Dec 10 17:34
iophkThere's probably another source online.Dec 10 17:34
MinceRhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba42Z0lCMAAfkzM.jpg:largeDec 10 17:35
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MinceRhttp://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/738/5472/original.jpg?w=800&hDec 10 17:35
iophkThat is a lot of gall coming from him given his treatment of whistleblower, the ones his campaign platform would protect.Dec 10 17:35
iophkneeds a better link though, site's not so goodDec 10 17:42
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schestowitz__[17:18] <TechrightsBot-tr> www.theatlantic.com | Copper Scavengers Loot High-Tech Infrastructure - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic  [ http://ur1.ca/g65gf ]Dec 10 18:30
schestowitz__ohk, old...Dec 10 18:30
iophkyes oldDec 10 18:30
iophkbut ongoingDec 10 18:30
schestowitz__but it shows what economic turndown may bringDec 10 18:30
schestowitz__!google east euruope inter down womanDec 10 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Georgian woman cuts off web access to whole of Armenia | World ... | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/06/georgian-woman-cuts-web-accessDec 10 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - BBC News - Pensioner in Georgia cuts Armenia off from internet | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12985082Dec 10 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Egypt arrests as undersea internet cable cut off Alexandria - BBC | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21963100Dec 10 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Georgian Woman, 75, Arrested for Cutting Armenia's Internet - WSJ ... | http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704630004576249013084603344Dec 10 18:31
schestowitz__This was so hilariousDec 10 18:31
schestowitz__ina  sick senseDec 10 18:31
schestowitz__some very old lady takes advanytage of the country's connectivity being so s***yDec 10 18:31
iophkyeah in some cases they've dug up fiber and cut into thatDec 10 18:31
iophkI guess that will be one advantage when fibre becomes predominant, the looting will lessen or at least the thieves will learn to discern between copper and fibre.Dec 10 18:34
iophkhttp://archive09.linux.com/feed/125624Dec 10 18:35
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://archive09.linux.com/feed/125624 )Dec 10 18:35
schestowitz__iophk: 404 indeedDec 10 18:39
schestowitz__what was it?Dec 10 18:39
schestowitz__so much for "arcgive"Dec 10 18:39
schestowitz__*archive'Dec 10 18:39
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iophkDon't know.  It was pointed to as the answer to a question in a forum from a couple of years ago.  So the link died recentlyDec 10 18:39
iophkThe archiving of things is not a priority.Dec 10 18:39
iophkIt should be.Dec 10 18:39
iophkToo much is getting lost. Dec 10 18:40
iophkSome on purpose, though.Dec 10 18:40
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schestowitz__http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/paytonbyrd/proof-that-the-free-software-movement-knows-it-cannot-compete-boycott-novell-raquo-66-pages-of-microsoft-evilness-29862Dec 10 18:40
TechrightsBot-trit.toolbox.com | Proof that the Free Software Movement Knows It Cannot Compete: Boycott Novell » 66 Pages of Microsoft Evilness  [ http://ur1.ca/g65qd ]Dec 10 18:40
iophkSome stuff seems to stay around...Dec 10 18:41
schestowitz__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhATFqM0TngDec 10 18:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Boycott Novell Campaign Videos - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g65qh ]Dec 10 18:42
schestowitz__AvinadDec 10 18:42
schestowitz__Using my GIMp graphicsDec 10 18:42
schestowitz__and making sheets based on the siteDec 10 18:42
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schestowitz__RMS said this was the first time police force was used to drive away FS activistsDec 10 18:42
iophkIn India?Dec 10 18:43
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3389429Dec 10 18:44
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### The following is presented as a battle plan. But it is a disengagement plan:(Dec 10 18:44
schestowitz__iophk: yeahDec 10 18:44
TechrightsBot-tr-> theoccupiedtimes.org | How To Combat Online Surveillance | The Occupied TimesDec 10 18:44
schestowitz__"Audit means nothing if it's closed source."Dec 10 18:44
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3393785Dec 10 18:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: the garden of cosmic speculation...Dec 10 18:53
schestowitz__"#Groovy"Dec 10 18:53
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Sosumihttp://rense.com/1.imagesH/Thing-(R).jpgDec 10 19:36
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://rense.com/1.imagesH/Thing-(R )Dec 10 19:36
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3395008Dec 10 19:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #JoinDiaspora is #emerging as the most awesome social network, bigger in terms of participation and interaction than #identica and #twitterDec 10 19:38
schestowitz__"JoinDiaspora also uses Amazon servers which might as well be a direct line to the NSA."Dec 10 19:38
schestowitz__Like DuckDuckGoDec 10 19:38
schestowitz__"diaspora is more than just the pod joindiaspora :p"Dec 10 19:38
schestowitz__"Is identica still functioning ? Heard there was someother fork or website ? Also any news on account migration?"Dec 10 19:38
Sosumiamazon backwardsDec 10 19:39
SosuminOZAMADec 10 19:39
Sosumiwatch out for nOZAMADec 10 19:39
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3395341Dec 10 19:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The first time I'm aware a protest was inspired by my writings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhATFqM0TngDec 10 19:40
schestowitz__"Is this related to <a href="http://techrights.org/2008/11/16/novell-sponsorship-critique/">this protest</a>?"Dec 10 19:40
schestowitz__yesDec 10 19:40
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Friendly ‘Boycott Novell’ Supportes Robbed of Voice | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g65zo ]Dec 10 19:40
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3395122Dec 10 19:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Too many world leaders (even Bush) are playing w/ Mandela's corpse (pardon the phrase, ref to apartheid regime) for self-promotion purposesDec 10 19:41
schestowitz__"It's disgusting."Dec 10 19:41
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DaemonFChttp://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/12/gates-foundations-24-most-egregious-investmentsDec 10 19:46
TechrightsBot-trwww.motherjones.com | The Gates Foundation's Hypocritical Investments | Mother Jones  [ http://ur1.ca/g660d ]Dec 10 19:46
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sebsebseb Dec 10 20:21
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sebsebsebMinceR: iophk openSUSEDec 10 20:33
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iophkhttp://techrights.org/2008/11/16/novell-sponsorship-critique/Dec 10 20:33
sebsebsebiophk: uhmm they can get SUSE stuff easilly from one of the sponsersDec 10 20:33
sebsebsebI think that's one of the reasons why Mageia was outDec 10 20:34
iophkCant you get Mageia discs?Dec 10 20:34
sebsebsebiophk: yepDec 10 20:34
sebsebseb,butDec 10 20:34
sebsebsebiophk: they may not want me to distribute those!Dec 10 20:34
iophkCan't stop you.Dec 10 20:35
sebsebsebiophk: meant to be agreeing on some merchanice on the next   meetingDec 10 20:35
sebsebsebso SUSE stuff, Ubuntu stuff, Mint stuffDec 10 20:35
sebsebsebagenda says nothing about anting else,but I saidabobut MOzilla etcDec 10 20:35
iophkFocus on Mozilla (thunderbird, firefox) and LIbreOffice and VLC and the cross-platform stuff.Dec 10 20:36
sebsebsebMozllastickers and yeahDec 10 20:36
sebsebseb?Dec 10 20:36
sebsebsebI am thinking some MOzilla stuff and forLibre Office posisbly to as wlelDec 10 20:36
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sebsebsebiophk: going to bring some merchandise examples to the meetingDec 10 20:36
iophkCool.Dec 10 20:37
sebsebsebas for getting any Mint stuff, good luck to them I thinkDec 10 20:37
sebsebsebseems Mint doesn't really have anythingDec 10 20:37
sebsebsebexcept  t-shirts to buy an that kindof thingDec 10 20:37
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sebsebsebiophk: what I find interesting is  now this guy who wanted Mint can't d the eventDec 10 20:37
sebsebsebthey want him to work longer in USADec 10 20:37
sebsebsebiophk: ,butnow he brings in this other guy who offered to helpDec 10 20:37
sebsebsebI suggestd bringing him in for the vote, but nope that didn't happenDec 10 20:38
iophkIf he's helping he should "vote" ...Dec 10 20:38
sebsebsebiophk: yeah maybe a re vote shuld happen thenDec 10 20:38
sebsebsebthis  guy who wanted Mint can't do the eventDec 10 20:38
sebsebsebnow it turns out, I wasn't at the vote meeting, and now this other guy has been bought in as wellDec 10 20:39
sebsebsebiophk: maybe a vote shoud happen again with everyone there etc.. oh ,but they are unlikely to go with thatDec 10 20:39
sebsebsebiophk: Mint,  Ubuntu, and openSUSE eventDec 10 20:39
sebsebsebiophk: doesn't matter that I was the one who pushed for the whole idea of having an event again, earlier this yearDec 10 20:40
sebsebsebwhen the idea just kindof died our sat there last yearDec 10 20:40
iophkThat should count for something.Dec 10 20:40
sebsebsebyeah you would have thought woudn't you?Dec 10 20:40
sebsebseb,but it seems notDec 10 20:40
sebsebsebiophk: anyway the guy that is now being bought in,   I get on with himDec 10 20:41
iophkCollaboration.Dec 10 20:41
sebsebsebiophk: yeah exacty callobraationDec 10 20:41
sebsebsebI guess I need to say something on TuesdayDec 10 20:41
sebsebsebworth a try at leastDec 10 20:41
sebsebsebiophk: bingo callaboraoitnDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebeveryone working togetherDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebno one being excludedDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebthat's what I wantedDec 10 20:42
sebsebseb,but now the opposite has happended really,  it's not really my event nowDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebit's their event, not my event now, it seemsDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebhave the genral overall goal in mind, but  with differences, and that's where the issues beenDec 10 20:42
sebsebsebiophk: yep who pushed  for hte idea again, it was meDec 10 20:43
sebsebsebreally that means nothing?Dec 10 20:44
iophktalk with that other fellow and figure out something for the meetingDec 10 20:46
sebsebsebiophk: yeah he won't know about  lots of stuff that happended etcDec 10 20:47
sebsebsebiophk: I rmember sending  entuthasitic emails to the listDec 10 20:48
sebsebsebabout  having an eventDec 10 20:48
sebsebseband having it with Mageia and such :dDec 10 20:48
iophkPoint that out.  It is part of the plan then, if you have it documented.Dec 10 20:48
sebsebsebiophk: oh those emais are logged in the archeiveDec 10 20:48
sebsebsebit was just mainly talk to get interest in havingg an eventDec 10 20:49
sebsebseb,but it was something still I guessDec 10 20:49
sebsebsebiophk: I think softwarewise what I wanted is out probably hwatever happens nowDec 10 20:49
sebsebsebunless hmmDec 10 20:49
sebsebsebiophk: ,but well ther's no Jitsi in the repo's anyway for this distro Dec 10 20:50
sebsebsebtried to get them to additDec 10 20:50
sebsebseband  I am a bit hmmm about installing codecs and Skype and all that,  plus local brandngDec 10 20:50
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sebsebsebiophk: ,but I still don't think certain things should have gone like they did really etcDec 10 20:51
sebsebseband it's to late to fork orwhateverDec 10 20:51
sebsebsebhave own event I thinkDec 10 20:51
sebsebseband not really worth the hassle the effortDec 10 20:51
sebsebsebiophk: and things probabbly won't actsaully  be as bad, when I meet them again or whatever,  but hmmDec 10 20:52
sebsebsebiophk: I think just got to go alon with things now really,  and that's that,   and it's nice to get away from computers more at times, have other interests etc :)Dec 10 20:53
sebsebsebuh  I feel like I need more otherintersts at times nowDec 10 20:54
sebsebsebiophk: still about?Dec 10 21:00
sebsebsebMinceR: about?Dec 10 21:00
MinceR Dec 10 21:00
sebsebsebMinceR:  okDec 10 21:00
iophkkindogDec 10 21:00
sebsebseb Dec 10 21:00
sebsebseb MinceR Dec 10 21:00
iophkkindofDec 10 21:00
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk does computer stuff ever make you feel sad?Dec 10 21:00
MinceRindeedDec 10 21:00
sebsebsebMinceR:  yeah it does with me at times for sureDec 10 21:01
iophkwhen can you meet with that other fellow and plan working together?Dec 10 21:01
sebsebsebiophk: at the meeting,  it's a group thingDec 10 21:01
iophkwhat about discussing before hand?Dec 10 21:01
sebsebsebcould eamil or something, but  not sure if  ther's much pointDec 10 21:02
iophkSee if he's onboard with MageiaDec 10 21:02
sebsebsebhe might be, but others aren'tDec 10 21:02
sebsebsebMinceR: how does it make you feel sad?Dec 10 21:02
MinceRby keeping me from accomplishing my ends via shoddy software (m$ and co.)Dec 10 21:03
MinceRby making me look bad in front of others (see above)Dec 10 21:03
sebsebsebMinceR: see what above, I didn't  see whateverDec 10 21:03
sebsebsebMinceR: makng look bad how?Dec 10 21:05
MinceRby making me fail to accomplish my tasksDec 10 21:05
sebsebsebwhich tasks?Dec 10 21:05
sebsebseband fail acomplishing them how?Dec 10 21:05
MinceRdependsDec 10 21:06
sebsebseband look bad how?Dec 10 21:06
sebsebsebMinceR: computers make you look bad howDec 10 21:07
sebsebsebor computer interests?Dec 10 21:07
MinceRsee aboveDec 10 21:07
sebsebsebI don't see anythingDec 10 21:07
sebsebsebaboveDec 10 21:07
sebsebsebjoined about 50 minutes agoDec 10 21:07
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sebsebsebMinceR: iophk I think for me,  sometimes these computer interests, effects other thingsDec 10 21:08
sebsebsebmaybe a bit more than just omeitmes dependsDec 10 21:08
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sebsebsebsomeitmes  being into computersDec 10 21:08
sebsebsebis a curse really rather than a blessingDec 10 21:09
sebsebsebnot sure if anyone knows what I Mean ?Dec 10 21:09
sebsebsebyep a bad thing, rathe than a good thingDec 10 21:09
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk know what I mean? ^Dec 10 21:09
iophkHow to make freedom popular?Dec 10 21:09
sebsebsebiophk: uh?Dec 10 21:10
sebsebsebno I am saying software freedom and all thatDec 10 21:10
sebsebsebit's ireivent in the wider picture of thingsDec 10 21:10
iophkThat's what some of it is about.Dec 10 21:10
sebsebsebthe wider bigger picutreDec 10 21:10
MinceRactually it's very relevantDec 10 21:10
sebsebsebDesktp Liux may never go main streameDec 10 21:10
sebsebsebetcDec 10 21:10
MinceRit's the difference between buying a computer for yourself and buying a computer for the m$/crApple/whoever else botnetDec 10 21:10
sebsebsebonly about a few million peopel use Desktop Linux goballyDec 10 21:10
sebsebsebout of the billions or so using WIndows or Mac OS XDec 10 21:10
sebsebsebMinceR: well yesDec 10 21:10
iophk>80% of smartphone use LinuxDec 10 21:10
MinceRand between owning your data vs. handing your data to someone else so that they can hold it hostageDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebMinceR: ,but  computers don't bring true happynessDec 10 21:11
MinceRand lease it to youDec 10 21:11
iophkprobably most serverrsDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebdon't you find?Dec 10 21:11
iophkmainframesDec 10 21:11
MinceRthe functionality of computers can contribute to happinessDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebok might find soe nice girl via the Internet whlist using a computer for exampleDec 10 21:11
iophk>98% of supercomputersDec 10 21:11
sebsebseb,but  in generalDec 10 21:11
iophklots of tvs, etc.Dec 10 21:11
sebsebsebcomputer interest don't bring true happyness etcDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebdon't tyou thinkDec 10 21:11
sebsebseb??Dec 10 21:11
MinceRyou can play games, watch videos, read stuff, learnDec 10 21:11
MinceRyou can gain and improve skillsDec 10 21:11
sebsebsebplaying games isn't true happyness thoughDec 10 21:11
MinceRmaybe not for youDec 10 21:12
sebsebsebfinding that special someone if they haven't already, I think is true happyness for most peopleDec 10 21:12
sebsebsebyes might find them using a computer, but the computer intersts them seles don't really bring true happyness, that's what I meanDec 10 21:12
MinceRfor those who have already found thatDec 10 21:13
MinceRwhat's "seles"?Dec 10 21:13
sebsebsebthemselvesDec 10 21:13
MinceRcomputers can also take work out of your hand, leaving more resources for things that bring more happinessDec 10 21:13
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR and Linux opensource/freesoftware is  very opinanted and polotical, and well  look what happens as a result,  what I Was on about earlier Dec 10 21:13
MinceRblame m$ and their kind for thatDec 10 21:14
iophkThe criteria defining Free software are clearly enummerated.Dec 10 21:14
MinceRthey're the ones who decided that the IT world belongs to them, regardless of whether they can get things done or notDec 10 21:14
iophkusuall "or not"Dec 10 21:14
sebsebsebMinceR: no  for the specic thing I was onabout earlier,  I gues blame upstream for that one uhDec 10 21:14
sebsebsebMinceR: that most distro's are so simiar,becuase of upstreamDec 10 21:14
sebsebsebusually that's a good thingDec 10 21:14
sebsebseb,but  then  well  what I put ealrierDec 10 21:15
MinceRthey're the ones who decided that there should be no competition in IT but totalitarian control in their handsDec 10 21:15
sebsebsebMinceR: ok sure, but then look what happensDec 10 21:15
sebsebsebMinceR: the Linux users for examle, get all opoinated and poloticalDec 10 21:15
sebsebsebabout what ditro's to use and what interfaceDec 10 21:15
iophkInterface is not a big deal.Dec 10 21:15
sebsebsebno  mine is what hsould be used, not yours, no yoursshould be, no no yours no no etcDec 10 21:15
sebsebsebiophk: for that event it isDec 10 21:15
MinceRall computer users do, who are aware of such choicesDec 10 21:15
iophkDistro is not a big deal as long as it follows the ideas behind Free software.Dec 10 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: in general not that big a deal, b ut for that event it is Dec 10 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: and  theres the idea for hte event, to use propritrary software, to help win people over to Linux from WIndowsDec 10 21:16
sebsebsebcodecs, Skype etcDec 10 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: free software alonewould be lacking, can't docertain thingsDec 10 21:17
iophkThere was a magazine that had a privacy remix of Ubuntu included in an issue.Dec 10 21:17
MinceRand to get them into suse so that they remain under m$'s thumb foreverDec 10 21:17
sebsebsebMinceR: yep  openSUSE being one of the distro'sDec 10 21:17
iophkM$ has to rope them in before they wander far.Dec 10 21:17
MinceRIT in general can't do certain thingsDec 10 21:17
MinceRand not because they're impossible in theoryDec 10 21:18
sebsebsebok sureDec 10 21:18
sebsebseb,butDec 10 21:18
sebsebsebif  Linux can't do something that WIndows can doDec 10 21:18
sebsebsebit's generally seen as a bad thing by manyDec 10 21:18
MinceRthe ribbon and metro will make them change their minds, thenDec 10 21:19
sebsebsebmany got used to that by now I thinkDec 10 21:19
sebsebsebthat was Office 2007Dec 10 21:19
iophkWindows has years of indoctrination to get people to fear other systems, even OS XDec 10 21:19
MinceRthen m$ will find a way to make things even worse for themDec 10 21:19
sebsebsebAndroid helps the experience another type of tech experience thoughDec 10 21:19
sebsebseband iOS if they got Iphones etcDec 10 21:19
sebsebsebhelps them aboveDec 10 21:20
sebsebsebquite a lot of people just tend to use hteir phone for everthing now or prety muchDec 10 21:20
sebsebsebinstead of their WIndows computerDec 10 21:20
iophkiphones and iPods gained market share for Apple on the desktop.  Dec 10 21:20
sebsebsebthey reolise that they get a better expereince  using the phone for their basic tasks, than their  WIndows computer,  but most don't really kow why that isDec 10 21:20
iophkThe same can happen with Android.Dec 10 21:20
iophkEspecially now with the potential 'end' of XPDec 10 21:21
sebsebsebiophk: oh that's to do with why having event when it wil beDec 10 21:21
sebsebseb,but Dec 10 21:21
sebsebsebI think I know what MinceR would thinkDec 10 21:21
sebsebsebgoing by his thumb comment from earlierDec 10 21:21
MinceRsuse can be an intermediate step towards better distros, but it's unnecessaryDec 10 21:22
iophkbest to go straight to the other distros, skip the M$ stepDec 10 21:22
sebsebsebMinceR: so you say, but yet loads of cmpanies use SUSE stllDec 10 21:22
MinceRjust because someone else is making bad decisions doesn't mean you have to do the sameDec 10 21:23
sebsebsebiophk: I guess  hopefully most go for Ubuntu or MintDec 10 21:23
iophkMint debian?Dec 10 21:23
sebsebsebnopeDec 10 21:23
sebsebsebstandard oneDec 10 21:23
iophk:(Dec 10 21:23
sebsebsebMinceR: sure, but  if a bad deicion has bene made regaridng the software choices for that, the visitors won't just knowDec 10 21:23
iophkfind some like minded people and plan an installfestDec 10 21:24
iophkusing stock distrosDec 10 21:24
iophkno respinsDec 10 21:24
sebsebsebiophk: to late for that now I thinkDec 10 21:24
sebsebsebor  for that kind of dateDec 10 21:24
iophkyou've got some months before AprilDec 10 21:24
sebsebsebiophk: I got Brusuels to celbrate the release of a good distro and such :DDec 10 21:24
sebsebsebcoming upDec 10 21:24
iophkyep Dec 10 21:25
iophkhttps://fosdem.org/2014/Dec 10 21:25
TechrightsBot-trfosdem.org | FOSDEM 2014 - HomeDec 10 21:25
sebsebsebyeahDec 10 21:25
sebsebsebiophk: and then local thing uh I guessDec 10 21:25
sebsebsebiophk: I haven't decided yet, but maybe I'll go to Amsterdam this time towDec 10 21:25
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sebsebsebwith someone quite a lot older who's coming from USADec 10 21:26
sebsebsebmeaning to emall himDec 10 21:26
sebsebsebbackDec 10 21:26
sebsebsebfind  out more about his plans etc :)Dec 10 21:26
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR I think another issue could have been qute simpally that Mageia wasn't seen as being "mainstreame" enough by themDec 10 21:27
sebsebsebthey wanted mainstreame distro'sDec 10 21:27
iophkCommunity distros are naturally a bit smaller.Dec 10 21:27
sebsebsebwell yeah trueDec 10 21:27
iophkIt's mainstream enough.Dec 10 21:27
sebsebseb,but the big paleyrs,  Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Deban etcDec 10 21:27
MinceRthey wanted mainstream crapDec 10 21:27
MinceRdebian is mainstream and better than what they've come up withDec 10 21:27
sebsebsebMinceR: ,but for a non technical user?Dec 10 21:28
MinceRprobably so's fedoraDec 10 21:28
MinceRnot sure what non-technicality has to do with itDec 10 21:28
sebsebsebwell Fedora got ruled out, since an idea that it would be a bit intermediateDec 10 21:28
MinceRintermediate what?Dec 10 21:28
sebsebsebMinceR: it's an eent aimed at non technicla peopleDec 10 21:28
sebsebsebwho odn't really know about LInuxDec 10 21:28
MinceRall i can bring up against fedora is that yum is less reliable than aptDec 10 21:28
sebsebsebI think Fedora would have been a good choie though, espeically with the remastering idea that came alongDec 10 21:29
sebsebsebpre install the codecs etc into Fedora and yeaDec 10 21:29
sebsebsebFedora 20 soonDec 10 21:29
sebsebsebDebian it would go aisnt their philsophey or whateverDec 10 21:29
sebsebseb,but could have put in the propriary stuff into a remaster of that toDec 10 21:29
sebsebsebagainst their aboveDec 10 21:29
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk oh  yeah this remind me, GNOME 3 got the worst Linux idea of 2013 according to Linux Journal poll uhDec 10 21:30
sebsebsebKDE got best deDec 10 21:30
sebsebseband things like thatDec 10 21:30
sebsebsebGNOME 3 is goo enough :)   and can  cusotmise it, or base on it and suchDec 10 21:31
iophkgnome is hard to customize last I heardDec 10 21:31
MinceRindeedDec 10 21:31
sebsebsebMinceR: indeed to which?Dec 10 21:31
sebsebsebno there are a few distro's based on GNOME 3 pingyOS etcDec 10 21:31
MinceRto being hard to customizeDec 10 21:31
iophkOlder versions I tried were all but impossible to customize.Dec 10 21:31
iophkHaven't bothered to look lately.  Gnome is so over.Dec 10 21:31
sebsebsebiophk: well Mageia and GNOME outDec 10 21:32
MinceRlast time i checked you had to bring out gconf-editor or equivalent to tell the damned thing to not sleep if you close the laptop lidDec 10 21:32
sebsebsebKDE n, but in openSUSE uhDec 10 21:32
MinceRthat's utterly retardedDec 10 21:32
sebsebsebGNOME 3 is better now trust meDec 10 21:32
iophkI'll take your word for it.Dec 10 21:32
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk yay Cinnamon a GNOME 3 fork by the Mint team,  instead of uhmmm something such as  LXFCE or LXDE hmmDec 10 21:32
sebsebsebhmm maybe   XFCE or LXDE would have been better reallly for that one, but I guess won't make much difference with CInnamon Dec 10 21:33
sebsebseband then Unity instead of GNOME ShellDec 10 21:33
iophkboth XFCE and LXDEDec 10 21:34
sebsebsebso  got two things that are whta htey are, becuase of GNOME 3 reallyDec 10 21:34
sebsebseb,but no GNOME 3  itselfDec 10 21:34
sebsebseband yep KDE thereDec 10 21:34
iophkthough LXDE  is moving to Qt or somethingDec 10 21:34
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR  appanratly someone left his LUG, because it was to Ubuntu, and  that  it was just a front for socialism orwhatever he was saying the other nightDec 10 21:35
sebsebsebnot really aboutsoftware freedomDec 10 21:35
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR so to political for him and so he leavsDec 10 21:35
MinceRlolDec 10 21:36
sebsebsebI think that's an issue right htre with Linux and other opensource/freesoftware in generalDec 10 21:36
sebsebsebas I was trying to say earierDec 10 21:36
MinceRyes, people being idiots is an issue in generalDec 10 21:36
sebsebsebit's way to opinated and political at timesDec 10 21:36
sebsebsebMinceR: who are you reffering to?Dec 10 21:36
MinceRthe "herp derp free software is socialism" crowdDec 10 21:37
MinceRstate socialism was all about dictatorical control from the top down on everything, so that's more m$/crApple if anythingDec 10 21:37
sebsebsebMinceR: well he said sociais is the worst sytemDec 10 21:37
iophkM$ is top-down, command-economy, centrally controlled ...Dec 10 21:37
sebsebsebworst out of the threeDec 10 21:37
iophkgtgDec 10 21:38
sebsebsebMinceR: what kind of society would you like to have?Dec 10 21:40
MinceRi would progress toward a less statist, more individualist, more free-market society and see what we can learn from itDec 10 21:40
sebsebsebwhat a help your naighbour societyDec 10 21:40
sebsebseb?Dec 10 21:40
MinceRthat would be a part of itDec 10 21:41
sebsebseband where there isn't really moneyDec 10 21:41
MinceRhuman nature being what it is now, you can't really expect any system to save us from itDec 10 21:41
sebsebseband  peopel don't just work for the system and things like thatDec 10 21:41
MinceRso it would have to be evolvedDec 10 21:41
MinceRi don't think money is evilDec 10 21:41
MinceRit's a useful toolDec 10 21:41
MinceRbut it shouldn't be worshippedDec 10 21:41
sebsebsebI think there's a lot of issues really with the worldDec 10 21:42
sebsebseb,but change takes time etcDec 10 21:42
sebsebsebMinceR: I think there's food down stiars waiting for me though, so yeah bye for nowDec 10 21:42
sebsebsebor back in a bitDec 10 21:42
sebsebsebor  not sure quteDec 10 21:42
MinceR:)Dec 10 21:43
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sebsebsebwhy ;0Dec 10 21:43
sebsebseb?Dec 10 21:43
sebsebsebthat's :)Dec 10 21:43
sebsebsebwas meant to be :)Dec 10 21:43
MinceRnot sure anymoreDec 10 21:44
MinceRprobably regarding the foodDec 10 21:44
sebsebseboh okDec 10 21:44
MinceRbut yes, there are a lot of issues and change takes timeDec 10 21:44
MinceR(and more than time)Dec 10 21:44
DaemonFCFirefox now supports h264 if you have the gstreamer plug in for that.Dec 10 21:45
DaemonFCIt'll also play it using the native codecs on Android, OS X, and Windows.Dec 10 21:45
MinceRi thought that wasn't newDec 10 21:45
DaemonFCIt's new in Firefox 26Dec 10 21:45
MinceRthey're adding support for some downloadable blob from fiasco nowDec 10 21:45
DaemonFCI guess it's easy to say they gave up, but really it's more or less Google's fault.Dec 10 21:46
MinceR(and they're trying to sell it as free software or open source...)Dec 10 21:46
DaemonFCIf Google had converted all videos on Youtube to WebM and yanked h264 from Chrome like they said they would....Dec 10 21:46
MinceRindeedDec 10 21:46
DaemonFCh264 would have already been done fore.Dec 10 21:46
DaemonFC*forDec 10 21:46
MinceRi have no idea what reason google could possibly have for not doing thatDec 10 21:46
DaemonFCIt was probably part of their deal with the MPEG-LA.Dec 10 21:47
DaemonFCThe one where the MPEG-LA let WebM users have a royalty free patent license for any MPEG-LA patents that WebM might infringe.Dec 10 21:48
MinceRpfftDec 10 21:48
MinceRthat deal was capitulation, thenDec 10 21:48
DaemonFCA lot of the terms of that deal are secret, but Google's decision to retain support for h264 in Chrome may have been one of the conditions.Dec 10 21:48
MinceRthe whole point of WebM was to be unencumberedDec 10 21:48
DaemonFCRight. Well, it was designed to try to avoid MPEG-LA's patents, but that doesn't mean it does.Dec 10 21:49
DaemonFCWhen things actually get to court, the definitions of what a patent covers are pretty "flexible".Dec 10 21:49
MinceRjust like in the m$ case, we will probably never find out if it doesDec 10 21:49
MinceRit was probably just some vague threats towards googleDec 10 21:49
DaemonFCI'd imagine that it does violate at least one or more.Dec 10 21:50
DaemonFCIt's hard to consider something so large not violating one of thousands of patents in a pool.Dec 10 21:50
DaemonFC*to not be violatingDec 10 21:50
DaemonFCSo, it probably hits at least one, or a few, no matter how careful they were.Dec 10 21:50
MinceRat least in light of sw patents being incredibly vague and that nobody dares attack them on grounds of validity or prior artDec 10 21:51
MinceR(i don't know why)Dec 10 21:51
DaemonFCBecause there's thousands more.Dec 10 21:51
DaemonFCIt's easier to pay up than try to fight 5,000 patents one by one.Dec 10 21:51
MinceR(perhaps patent lawyers expect their future living to depend on the system remaining as broken as it is now)Dec 10 21:51
MinceRwhat if the patent holder is made to pay for the costs of fighting every patent they lose?Dec 10 21:51
MinceRi guess the legal system doesn't work that wayDec 10 21:52
DaemonFCActually, a bill has been brought up in the House of Representatives that would do loser pays.Dec 10 21:52
DaemonFCI think it was called the Innovate Act or something.Dec 10 21:52
MinceRlet me guess, it lostDec 10 21:53
DaemonFCIt's still being considered.Dec 10 21:54
DaemonFCIf it passes, the Senate has until the beginning of the new Congress in January of 2015 to pass it.Dec 10 21:54
DaemonFCIf they don't, the bill dies and has to be reintroduced and passed in both chambers again.Dec 10 21:55
DaemonFCI don't know why that happens. Only about 5% of the House membership changes, and maybe 5-10% of the Senate.Dec 10 21:55
DaemonFCThey just don't have that much turnover.Dec 10 21:56
DaemonFCThey spent almost all of their time fundraising.Dec 10 21:57
DaemonFCAnyone that challenges them gets drowned out by all the spending that the incumbent can afford to do.Dec 10 21:57
DaemonFCPlus, most House districts are drawn to heavily favor one party.Dec 10 21:57
DaemonFCWhatever party is in control of the state that the district is in.Dec 10 21:57
DaemonFCMy district is so heavily gerrymandered for the Republican that it would take a major scandal and a right-wing Democrat on the same year to get rid of him.Dec 10 21:58
DaemonFCIt sucks.Dec 10 21:58
DaemonFCYou can write to them, but they don't really listen. They're much more interested in what people with money tell them to do than what voters want.Dec 10 21:59
DaemonFCMost legislation they bring up is actually a threat to get more money out of whatever industry wants less regulation.Dec 10 21:59
DaemonFCAnd some industries want more regulation.Dec 10 22:00
DaemonFCThe 2010 law that was supposed to reduce smoking rates did nothing to affect the smoking rate.Dec 10 22:00
DaemonFCIt just banned most types of imported cigarettes and more kinds of advertising.Dec 10 22:00
DaemonFCThe tobacco companies wrote the bill. They wanted no foreign competition, and to not have to pay to advertise to each others customers.Dec 10 22:01
DaemonFCSo they got what they wanted. :)Dec 10 22:01
DaemonFCIt reversed the Supreme Court and handed regulation of the tobacco companies over to the FDA.Dec 10 22:02
DaemonFCSo, the FDA is supposed to protect the public health (I know. Haha!).Dec 10 22:02
DaemonFCAnd now you've got them regulating cigarettes that kill people.Dec 10 22:02
DaemonFCSo the first thing they did was ban every flavor of cigarette with the exception for menthol.Dec 10 22:03
DaemonFCWhat a coincidence. Most flavors other than menthol are imports or from smaller companies.Dec 10 22:03
DaemonFC:)Dec 10 22:03
MinceRgnDec 10 22:14
DaemonFCMenthol is a really nasty ingredient when you mix it with tobacco.Dec 10 22:14
MinceRwhy?Dec 10 22:14
MinceRi thought nicotine and natural MAOIs were nasty enoughDec 10 22:15
DaemonFCThe menthol itself is perfectly safe, but it causes people to inhale more deeply and it makes it easier to breathe when the cigarettes are actually hurting your lung function long-term.Dec 10 22:15
MinceRicDec 10 22:15
DaemonFCI have an on and off addiction, and I usually smoke menthol cigarettes.Dec 10 22:15
DaemonFCBut I signed a petition to the FDA to ban menthol. They say they're considering it.Dec 10 22:16
DaemonFCIf they did that, it would have a huge effect on the number of people who smoke.Dec 10 22:16
MinceRor a huge effect on the black market of menthol cigarettes :>Dec 10 22:16
MinceRor menthol products designed to be added by the userDec 10 22:17
MinceRremember the prohibition era :>Dec 10 22:17
DaemonFCYeah. There would be a black market for them and they'd be smuggled in from Canada and Mexico.Dec 10 22:17
DaemonFCThe price would go way up though.Dec 10 22:17
DaemonFCBlack markets do that. So, fewer people could afford them.Dec 10 22:18
DaemonFC:)Dec 10 22:18
DaemonFCMinceR: I doubt many people would want them for $10 a pack.Dec 10 22:18
MinceRit would also lead to a rise in associated crimeDec 10 22:19
DaemonFCI don't see why it would be worse than what the war on drugs has caused.Dec 10 22:21
DaemonFCMarijuana is much less dangerous than the criminals that the prohibition has enabled to do business.Dec 10 22:21
DaemonFCBut, I could see a stronger demand for the stuff that's already banned than menthol cigarettes.Dec 10 22:22
DaemonFCIt's still legal to import enough clove cigarettes for personal consumption.Dec 10 22:22
DaemonFCI think you can import up to 10 cartons per year for yourself.Dec 10 22:22
DaemonFCBut reselling them is illegal.Dec 10 22:22
DaemonFCMinceR: It's also legal to make a certain amount of beer or wine for yourself, or to give away.Dec 10 22:23
DaemonFCAnd you don't owe any taxes on it.Dec 10 22:23
DaemonFCBut if you sell it, you've committed a felony.Dec 10 22:23
MinceRit seems very similar to the war on drugsDec 10 22:24
MinceRas tobacco _is_ a drugDec 10 22:24
DaemonFCWell, I hope I didn't disturb the neighbors too much last night....Dec 10 22:27
DaemonFCLOLDec 10 22:27
DaemonFCWhat they must think of me....Dec 10 22:27
DaemonFCI've met a few people on those personals sites. The first two went nowhere, but this seems to be heading in the right direction.Dec 10 22:28
DaemonFCWe were up all night watching movies and stuff.Dec 10 22:28
DaemonFCThose people on the side of the apartment where my TV is get mad at me for watching movies at a reasonable volume.Dec 10 22:29
DaemonFCThey complained the the landlord about it, so I had the landlord come in and I demonstrated the volume that I normally watch movies at, and she told them to get over it.Dec 10 22:29
DaemonFC*to theDec 10 22:29
DaemonFCShe said not to let them bother me, they complain about _everything_.Dec 10 22:30
DaemonFCI asked my other neighbor, the nice one, if I was bothering her. She said she couldn't hear my TV at all.Dec 10 22:31
DaemonFCBut, you get that living in apartments. There's a few nice neighbors, a few really mean ones, and a few that just pay you no attention at all.Dec 10 22:31
DaemonFCAt least none of them are criminals.Dec 10 22:31
DaemonFCI've lived in worse apartments before. Way worse.Dec 10 22:32
DaemonFCI switched my phone and Mobile Firefox over to use DuckDuckGo.Dec 10 22:33
DaemonFCThey have a really nice mobile app/site.Dec 10 22:33
DaemonFC:)Dec 10 22:33
*DaemonFC shares Switch to Windows with MinceR and giggles.Dec 10 22:35
DaemonFCI can't believe that Google actually allows that shit in their app store.Dec 10 22:35
DaemonFCMaybe they allowed it because it amuses them.Dec 10 22:36
DaemonFCIs anyone seriously going to switch from Android to Windows Phone? :PDec 10 22:36
DaemonFChttp://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304014504579250641152718248Dec 10 22:43
TechrightsBot-tronline.wsj.com | House, Senate Negotiators Set to Announce Budget Deal - WSJ.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g66o5 ]Dec 10 22:43
DaemonFCIt's already cheaper to get in my car and drive to most places than to take a plane.Dec 10 22:43
DaemonFCNow they're going to charge even more for plane tickets.\Dec 10 22:43
schestowitz__[22:39] <s-255> @wikileaks       Sweden was never denazified. Prior to 1945 itDec 10 22:50
schestowitz__[22:39] <s-255>                 supported Germany. After '44 Swedish utopianDec 10 22:50
schestowitz__[22:39] <s-255>                 fascism in the ruling class became moreDec 10 22:51
schestowitz__[22:39] <s-255>                 discreet.Dec 10 22:51
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DaemonFChttp://www.extremetech.com/gaming/166649-ps4-is-50-faster-than-xbox-one-report-game-developersDec 10 23:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.extremetech.com | PS4 is ’50% faster’ than Xbox One, report game developers | ExtremeTech  [ http://ur1.ca/g66wu ]Dec 10 23:41
DaemonFCSo the XBOX One version will probably be crippled.Dec 10 23:41
DaemonFCschestowitz__: I agree with Richard Stallman about gifts.Dec 10 23:53
DaemonFCI was talking to Tim about this. I said "Look, neither one of us are doing exceptionally well right now. We can go to dinner or something every once in a while, but I don't want you to buy anything for me for Christmas, I'm serious. Don't."Dec 10 23:54
DaemonFCWe were talking about that.Dec 10 23:54
DaemonFC:PDec 10 23:54
DaemonFCWe're both kind of stuck where we're at.Dec 10 23:54
DaemonFCI hate how these advertising cretins come out and tell people that you're a pile of shit if you don't spend money you don't have on Christmas and birthdays and expensive engagement/wedding rings.Dec 10 23:55
DaemonFCWe're kind of lucky in one way. He works at a restaurant, so whenever we want to have dinner, we just eat there and it's half price.Dec 10 23:58
DaemonFCIt's like every year, I feel like I'm in a vice, and it's getting tighter.Dec 10 23:59
DaemonFCThere is no recovery for a lot of people.Dec 10 23:59
DaemonFCI'm starting to really see that now.Dec 10 23:59
DaemonFCIf I get a 1% raise next year, then my rent, cable, food, and gas expenses will go up an average of 3-5%.Dec 11 00:00
DaemonFCIt's been going in this direction for like five years now.Dec 11 00:00
DaemonFCI've pushed back against that where I can, but even that's starting to become less of a way to get some spending money out of my budget, and more of something I just have to do to get by.Dec 11 00:01
DaemonFCI've become more obsessed with gimmicks like credit card rebates and coupons, and so on.Dec 11 00:01
DaemonFCThat's actually brought more money back into my budget than my usual raises.Dec 11 00:02
DaemonFCI can already feel next year getting tighter. My rent went up less than I thought it would. Only going up 1.3%. :PDec 11 00:03
DaemonFCEverything is going up faster than the raise will be though.Dec 11 00:03
DaemonFCSuch a joke.Dec 11 00:03
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DaemonFCThat gas app on my phone has been pretty helpful. I can look at all the stations in the area that I plan to travel in and make sure I pull over at the cheapest station. That's cool. It's only a couple dollars per tank, but it's something. :PDec 11 00:05
DaemonFCMy step-mother still hasn't found work. She's been unemployed for a little over five years now iirc.Dec 11 00:07
DaemonFCThe irony was that she was a claims "adjuster" for a health insurance company, and they fired her because she's not in good health.Dec 11 00:07
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DaemonFCThat point where you're going through the ashtray looking for half-smoked cigarettes....Dec 11 00:42
DaemonFChttp://androidandme.com/2013/12/news/nokia-normandy-said-to-be-low-cost-handset-running-custom-version-of-android/Dec 11 00:48
TechrightsBot-trandroidandme.com | Nokia ‘Normandy’ said to be low-cost handset running custom version of Android |  Android and Me  [ http://ur1.ca/g675c ]Dec 11 00:48
DaemonFCNokia is doing Android finally.Dec 11 00:48
DaemonFCIf they get acquired by Microsoft, I'm sure that the first order of business will be to halt production and stop support for devices already sold.Dec 11 00:49
DaemonFCMight not be the best idea to buy it.Dec 11 00:49
DaemonFChttp://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/lg-g2-mini-with-snapdragon-800-chipset-47-inch-display-in-the-works-report-457067Dec 11 00:51
TechrightsBot-trgadgets.ndtv.com | LG G2 mini with Snapdragon 800 chipset, 4.7-inch display in the works: Report | NDTV Gadgets  [ http://ur1.ca/g675m ]Dec 11 00:51
DaemonFCI have the full sized 5.2 inch LG G2.Dec 11 00:51
DaemonFCI love it.Dec 11 00:51
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DaemonFCI'm generally in favor of the auto industry bailouts. The auto industry makes products. The financial sector, which got 100 times more money than the auto industry, makes people poor and in debt.Dec 11 05:31
DaemonFCThe auto industry provides more than 2 million jobs, the financial industry produces assholes that buy $10,000 hamburgers and $75 ice cubes for their $20,000 scotch whisky.Dec 11 05:31
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 9 minutes ago · Edited ·Dec 11 05:31
Snowleaksangefinancial sector benefits humanity..Dec 11 05:32
Snowleaksangeprovides liquity and makes markets efficientDec 11 05:32
Snowleaksangeif it werent for speculators would take long time to buy/sell stuff and would be lot of price uncertaintyDec 11 05:33
Snowleaksangespeculators/tradersDec 11 05:34
DaemonFCThanks to speculators, the price can soar even in the middle of a supply glut.Dec 11 05:34
DaemonFCWhat would we do without them? :)Dec 11 05:34
Snowleaksangeliquidity*Dec 11 05:35
DaemonFCIn the end, what people are willing to pay usually helps control price inflation.Dec 11 05:37
DaemonFCBut, when you are talking things like food or fuel to run their cars and power and heat their homes....Dec 11 05:37
DaemonFCNot really optional, so they charge basically whatever they feel like.Dec 11 05:37
DaemonFCYou can't do much to fight back against that. Turn the heat down. Then they up the price for electricity/gas some more and you're back to paying what you were before, only the house is colder.Dec 11 05:38
DaemonFCCable TV price inflation is getting pretty wicked. Comcast sent me out a list of their normal non-promo prices for stuff.Dec 11 05:39
DaemonFCThe cable TV bills are going up $5. So, that's kind of regressive.Dec 11 05:39
Snowleaksangesounds lime monopoly / duopoly / cartelsDec 11 05:39
DaemonFCPeople who don't subscribe to many channels get hit harder.Dec 11 05:39
Snowleaksangeprice gouging is crimeDec 11 05:40
DaemonFCI threw out the cable TV a LONG time ago.Dec 11 05:40
DaemonFCHoly shit. You want to talk about crazy?Dec 11 05:40
DaemonFCTheir basic packages are over $100 a month, by the time they get you for the packages, hidden fees, equipment rental, per-jack fees, etc.Dec 11 05:41
DaemonFCAnd cable TV inflation was hitting double digits for a few years there.Dec 11 05:41
DaemonFCSo there's no telling what it costs now.Dec 11 05:42
DaemonFCI think I'll go figure that out.Dec 11 05:42
DaemonFCWhat my mom didn't understand was that those bundle prices are not good deals.Dec 11 05:43
DaemonFCThey talked her into buying phone service she never used...channels they never watch...Dec 11 05:43
DaemonFCThen they kept telling her that she was saving all kinds of money because they were hitting her up for an extra $40 in "services" she didn't really use.Dec 11 05:44
DaemonFCThose bundle prices are bullshit anyway.Dec 11 05:44
DaemonFCYou threaten to cancel, you get better prices.Dec 11 05:44
DaemonFCI've had their internet for over two years now and haven't ever paid close to full price for it.Dec 11 05:45
DaemonFCThis last time I was a bit more forceful and got my bill down to $29.99 a month.Dec 11 05:45
DaemonFCThat's for their $69.99 plan.Dec 11 05:45
DaemonFCSo there's a lot of room for negotiation, and she doesn't get that.Dec 11 05:46
DaemonFCOf course they're happy to let people who pay full price keep paying it.Dec 11 05:46
DaemonFCSome people get the high speed internet plan for $70, some people get it for $30. It just depends on whether or not you're willing to cut it off if you have to pay too much. If they think you will, they work with you.Dec 11 05:47
DaemonFCMy mom and my stepdad are the kind of people who refuse to budget.Dec 11 05:48
DaemonFCThey'd rather each spend another 10-15 hours at work every week than to figure out how to get more done with less.Dec 11 05:49
DaemonFCSo they're always running around scrabbling for more money and complaining t hat they're broke.Dec 11 05:49
Snowleaksangenegotiating ability is great skill to haveDec 11 05:50
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DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 11 06:00
DaemonFCWhat gets me is when religious charities, which operate mostly on money from the government, whose total annual expenditures amount to roughly 6% of the federal SNAP funding, say that we need to kill off SNAP and let private charity take on the needs of the many.Dec 11 06:00
DaemonFCIt can't even handle the load that it has now. When the people actually show up, after about two weeks into the month, with nothing left on the SNAP card, they complain that having to handle half the total need is more than they are set up to deal with.Dec 11 06:00
DaemonFCOf course right-wingers are generally fine with religious organizations taking taxpayer money and inefficiently using it to distribute some food. The goal is to make people show up for religious services, starving, so that they may beg for something to eat.Dec 11 06:00
DaemonFCSnowleaksange: I'd rather argue the price of things down than try to find a way to make more money.Dec 11 06:00
DaemonFCMaking more money is harder than figuring out where you're bleeding from and patching it up.Dec 11 06:01
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DaemonFC2 seconds agoDec 11 06:19
DaemonFCIn America, we now have Thanksgiving Lite and Thanksgiving, along with Christmas Lite and Christmas.Dec 11 06:19
DaemonFCThe middle class and rich gather around the dinner table and enjoy each others company over good homemade food, and the people who work at places like Walmart and McDonalds get Holiday Lite, where they show up for $7 an hour (or else), and eat a fun size bag of chips on their lunch break.Dec 11 06:19
DaemonFCThere is a person who I know, that is a nurse, and is making $50 an hour if she works on any major holiday, and apparently you just get totally disconnected from reality at this point. She said "I don't see what the big deal is. *I* have to work that day!".Dec 11 06:20
DaemonFCI said "Yes, for seven times as much money, good health insurance, a pension and a 401(k), and to do a job that needs to be done. Not selling toys and artificial food for $7 an hour."Dec 11 06:20
DaemonFCI mean, think about that for a second. She makes more in one hour than they do in an eight hour shift (if they can get one), and can't see the difference between being a nurse and selling cheap crap that people don't need.Dec 11 06:20
DaemonFChttp://www.salon.com/2013/12/09/get_a_clue_mcdonald%E2%80%99s_chain_tells_workers_how_much_to_tip_their_pool_cleaners_dog_walkers_and_masseuses/Dec 11 06:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.salon.com | Get a clue, McDonald’s: Chain tells workers how much to tip their pool cleaners, dog walkers, and masseuses - Salon.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g6855 ]Dec 11 06:30
DaemonFC"In July, the campaign highlighted a sample budget McDonalds offered for workers, which imagined an employee working two jobs and still devoting zero dollars to heat. In October, an activist worker recorded and shared her call to the company’s McResources hotline in which a counselor suggested she “would most likely be eligible” for food stamps, which “takes a lot of pressure off how much money yu spend on groceries.” And last monthDec 11 06:30
DaemonFC the SEIU-backed effort seized on a McResources website offering advice on budgeting, stress, and diet which included cutting food into smaller pieces and spending more time at church."Dec 11 06:30
Snowleaksangehttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-24/cost-ultrawealthy-uberclass-1500-workerDec 11 06:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | The Cost Of An Ultrawealthy Uberclass: $1500 Per Worker | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g686r ]Dec 11 06:50
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DaemonFCMight as well use uTorrent for Android.Dec 11 08:15
DaemonFCThere don't seem to be any Free bittorrent apps.Dec 11 08:16
DaemonFCFrostwire was, until it wasn't.Dec 11 08:16
DaemonFCF-Droid still has an outdated version that they removed Google's proprietary advertising library from.Dec 11 08:16
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iophkold - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/30/a-ceo-who-resisted-nsa-spying-is-out-of-prison-and-he-feels-vindicated-by-snowden-leaks/Dec 11 09:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | A CEO who resisted NSA spying is out of prison. And he feels ‘vindicated’ by Snowden leaks.  [ http://ur1.ca/g68oa ]Dec 11 09:17
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MinceRmight as well run rTorrent or Transmission on GNU on Android.Dec 11 09:37
MinceRgeekingsDec 11 09:48
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iophkhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2428164,00.aspDec 11 10:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcmag.com | 20 Years Later: A Look Back at My Doom Love Affair | News & Opinion  | PCMag.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g68zo ]Dec 11 10:37
iophkhttp://falkvinge.net/2013/12/10/rick-falkvinges-list-of-stone-dead-industries-today/Dec 11 10:45
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/panic-as-thousands-receive-fines-for-streaming-redtube-videos-131210/Dec 11 10:45
TechrightsBot-trfalkvinge.net | Rick Falkvinge's 2013 List Of Stone Dead Industries - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/g690e ]Dec 11 10:45
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Panic as Thousands Receive ‘Fines’ For Streaming RedTube Videos | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g690f ]Dec 11 10:45
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/10509498/Selfie-diplomacy-Michelle-Obama-looks-unamused-by-Baracks-joking-with-Danish-prime-minister.htmlDec 11 11:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | 'Selfie' diplomacy: Michelle Obama looks unamused by Barack's joking with Danish prime minister   - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g697o ]Dec 11 11:37
iophkonce again Windows to the rescue - http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/security/62601-china-hacked-europe-before-g20-reportsDec 11 11:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.itwire.com | China hacked Europe before G20: reports  [ http://ur1.ca/g697t ]Dec 11 11:38
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TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Angry Birds Go is strong to the Finnish- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g69jd ]Dec 11 13:14
Sosumihttp://rt.com/news/time-pope-francis-person-2013-058/Dec 11 13:16
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/g69jo ]Dec 11 13:16
Sosumitime crapazine chooses the pope for person of the yearDec 11 13:16
Sosumiinstead of Snowden for his confirmationsDec 11 13:17
iophkSnowden has had and will likely have more positive impact over the next few years.Dec 11 13:17
iophkHis whisleblowing has been in the news every week so far.Dec 11 13:18
iophkhttp://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/12/11/anger-over-hoax-mandela-memorial-sign-language-interpretorDec 11 13:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.sbs.com.au | 'Fake' Mandela memorial sign language interpreter provokes anger | SBS News  [ http://ur1.ca/g69k3 ]Dec 11 13:18
Sosumiduno, I actually think that outside a certain circles, ppl have already forgottenDec 11 13:19
Sosumisnowden for me only pops up on RTDec 11 13:19
Sosuminothing elseDec 11 13:19
iophkI see some on some tech news sites.Dec 11 13:19
iophkBut many people still use MSN, Hotmail, and so on.Dec 11 13:20
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founder-held-in-solitary-confinement-without-a-warrant-131211/Dec 11 13:26
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Pirate Bay Founder Held in Solitary Confinement Without a Warrant | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g69lh ]Dec 11 13:26
Sosumihttp://rt.com/usa/snowden-leak-rng-randomness-019/Dec 11 13:30
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/g69m0 ]Dec 11 13:30
Sosumi‘We cannot trust them anymore’: Engineers abandon encryption chips after Snowden leaksDec 11 13:30
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