IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: December 22nd-December 28th, 2013

schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/414558606382473217	Dec 22 00:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@fcassia: @googlecloud a solution looking for a problem to solve.Also, a fad. cc/@schestowitz #fogcomputing	Dec 22 00:14
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iophk	http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/tar-sands-keystone-protesters-arrested-terrorism-glitter	Dec 22 09:12
TechrightsBot-tr	www.motherjones.com \| A Glitter-Covered Banner Got These Protesters Arrested for Staging a Bioterror Hoax \| Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/g8ocb ]	Dec 22 09:13
MinceR	buttons cost money. apparently most people value (temporary) savings more than security.	Dec 22 09:19
iophk	you can't buy a laptop without a microphone or camera let alone one with a switch. So the choice is between one with an always on mic/camera or no laptop.	Dec 22 09:20
iophk	I suspect that is intentional.	Dec 22 09:20
MinceR	lusers can justify having a microphone and a camera, but not an extra button/switch.	Dec 22 09:23
MinceR	geekings	Dec 22 09:24
DaemonFC	via Human Rights Campaign	Dec 22 09:28
DaemonFC	Walmart doesn't offer health insurance to your husband or wife if you're gay, but they're totally not singling out gay people for mistreatment. They don't cover your spouse if you're straight! They also usually don't cover their employee. So, see, everyone is "equal" at Walmart. The end!	Dec 22 09:28
DaemonFC	Please don't shop at Walmart this Christmas.	Dec 22 09:28
DaemonFC	I wrote that in the comment section.	Dec 22 09:28
DaemonFC	I received my first sext today.	Dec 22 09:30
DaemonFC	lol	Dec 22 09:30
DaemonFC	Well, people have sent them, but I had no data plan on my old phone, so I had to request an email instead. :P	Dec 22 09:32
DaemonFC	Fedora pushed out an updated kernel for Fedora 20 this morning.	Dec 22 09:54
DaemonFC	It takes you from 3.11.10 to 3.12.5	Dec 22 09:54
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer shared a link via The Atlantic.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	6 minutes ago · Edited	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-day-google-had-to-start-over-on-android/282479/	Dec 22 10:55
TechrightsBot-tr	www.theatlantic.com \| The Day Google Had to 'Start Over' on Android - Fred Vogelstein - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/g8b28 ]	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	Mostly mindless Steve Jobs worship. The criminal that led a company (Apple) that pays no taxes, and writes exploitative proprietary software that doesn't respect user freedom.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	Also, it ignores the fact that Apple never "sold" music for 99 cents per track.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	It was originally crippled with Digital Restrictions Malware (like their apps, books, movies, and magazines still are), and then when the music industry realized that DRM promotes piracy, Apple fought tooth and nail to keep it while other stores led the way in abandoning it. Why? Because Apple's DRM makes it impossible to choose a different device in the future and move your collection of DRM-encumbered stuff to the new device.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	When iTunes went DRM-free (music only), it made people buy their music collection AGAIN to get it without DRM, and they raised the price of all tracks to $1.29.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	Apple's crystal prison should be avoided. Their App Store is a scourge. Its policies censor and ban apps like Bittorrent, Firefox, and Bitcoin. Basically, you can't sideload apps, like you can on Android, so you're totally at Apple's mercy as to whether or not the application can be installed on "your" device.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	I use the quotation fingers because when you have an Apple device, it never really belongs to you.	Dec 22 10:56
DaemonFC	Bonus: Apple and Microsoft pushed MPEG-4 patent-encumbered audio and video formats onto the web as a "standard", and in so doing, made every device (not just Microsoft and Apple devices) more expensive for everyone.	Dec 22 10:56
DaemonFC	Fuck Apple.	Dec 22 10:56
MinceR	but use a condom.	Dec 22 10:58
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DaemonFC	shared a link.	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	"A lot was wrong with the first iPhone too. Rubin and the Android team—along with many others—did not think users would take to typing on a screen without the tactile feedback of a physical keyboard. "	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	I never did. I hate virtual keyboards. One of the best things about Android is that you never have to tap on anything one letter at a time. There's voice dictation that actually works, and then there's also Swype.	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	http://www.swype.com/about/swype-faq-3/	Dec 22 11:13
TechrightsBot-tr	www.swype.com \| Swype \| Swype FAQ	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	"Why isn’t Swype available for iPhone/iPad/BlackBerry/Windows Phone?	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	Due to the technical design of some operating systems, it is not possible for third party keyboards (such as Swype) to be offered at this point in time. Please communicate to your device/OS manufacturer that you’d like to see Swype available as a keyboard option!"	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	BAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!	Dec 22 11:14
DaemonFC	Because your phone is a gigantic steaming pile of shit, you will never experience the awesomeness of Swype.	Dec 22 11:14
DaemonFC	http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/09/apple-patent-reveals-swype-like-keyboard-for-ios-devices/	Dec 22 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	www.ubergizmo.com \| Apple Patent Reveals Swype-like Keyboard For iOS Devices \| Ubergizmo [ http://ur1.ca/g8p7g ]	Dec 22 11:14
DaemonFC	Until Apple gets a patent on something it did not invent (again) and sues the company that invented it in East Texas.	Dec 22 11:14
DaemonFC	And then you'll have a broken half-assed version of it from Apple.	Dec 22 11:16
DaemonFC	Which will, of course, be the Greatest Thing Ever(TM).	Dec 22 11:17
MinceR	i still find it somewhat difficult to type on a virtual keyboard	Dec 22 11:18
MinceR	but a big screen with Hacker's Keyboard and its debug mode helps	Dec 22 11:18
schestowitz__	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZua6r8uqLg	Dec 22 11:25
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Oprah Winfrey; An entire generation of white people have to DIE! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8p91 ]	Dec 22 11:25
schestowitz__	taken out of context	Dec 22 11:25
schestowitz__	the title	Dec 22 11:25
schestowitz__	and badly reviewed, she refers to people who lynched	Dec 22 11:26
DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	Dec 22 11:44
DaemonFC	That article really could have been more fair. The editor could admit that the iPhone was crude, and a step forward from what there was before (100 different incompatible phones that all ran crappy vendor-produced software), but that Google upped their game and created a proper OS for mobile phones.	Dec 22 11:44
DaemonFC	To be fair, I can see why the original Android project (the one that was never released) wasn't very good. They only figured that they had to compete with Microsoft, and well, Internet Explorer. Enough said.	Dec 22 11:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436248	Dec 22 11:50
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Calibre 1.16 Greatly Improves the EPUB and AZW3 Book Editing Function http://news.softpedia.com/news/Calibre-1-16-Greatly-Improves-the-EPUB-and-AZW3-Book-Editing-Function-411005.shtml #calibre #epub	Dec 22 11:50
TechrightsBot-tr	-> news.softpedia.com \| Calibre 1.16 Greatly Improves the EPUB and AZW3 Book Editing Function [ http://ur1.ca/g8pfa ]	Dec 22 11:50
schestowitz__	"If someone can tell me how to whack Calibre upside the head so that it doesn't use its built-in, utterly brain-dead PDF viewer, I'd be very appreciative."	Dec 22 11:50
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3437473	Dec 22 11:50
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Torrent is efficient transmission of data over existing #internet infrastructure and its painting as "copyright violation" been manufactured	Dec 22 11:50
schestowitz__	"Questioning authority is terrorism!"	Dec 22 11:50
schestowitz__	Questioning the law is breaking the law :-)	Dec 22 11:50
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436216	Dec 22 11:51
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Red Hat engineers, who are based in the US, are pressured by #nsa to put NSA code inside #linux (which makes Red Hat's role less trusted)	Dec 22 11:51
schestowitz__	"and by extension fedora's"	Dec 22 11:51
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436253	Dec 22 11:52
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The worst British bank, #NatWest (run by kids now, used to be run by adults), has criminal past, not just bankruptcy http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/02/22/us-enron-natwest-sentencing-idUSN2248595820080222	Dec 22 11:52
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.reuters.com \| Ex-NatWest bankers sentenced to 3 years in jail \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/g8fj6 ]	Dec 22 11:52
schestowitz__	If Natwest gave me a check for £1,000,000- now I would still feel short changed. Full of dirty tricks."	Dec 22 11:52
schestowitz__	:	Dec 22 11:52
DaemonFC	And it's not like waiting a few years and getting it right hurt Google. In 2013, Android phones are massively outselling iPhones. Apple shipped only 12 out of 100 smartphones this year, with almost all of the rest being Android.	Dec 22 11:54
DaemonFC	Apple still maintains a sizable marketshare, but most of those customers are using older devices. It's clear that within two years, Apple's sales might be in the single digits, and in five years, the iPhone might not even exist at all. Right now, Apple is trying to stem the bleeding with a cut-rate model (the 5s) and giving those away for free with a contract. That's gotta hurt their pride a little. Apple customers were sickened by the fact	Dec 22 11:54
DaemonFC	that Apple products ended up being sold at Walmart. They should be doubly disgusted by the fact that there's now a cheap-o version of the iPhone that is specifically targeting Walmart customers.	Dec 22 11:54
DaemonFC	Apple isn't invincible. Back in the 1990s, things at Apple got so bad that the company almost went out of business, and had to go beg Microsoft for cash (which it got, in exchange for making Internet Explorer the default web browser for the Mac, which damned near got Steve Jobs booed off stage, at an Apple developer conference). People don't remember what Apple was doing in the 1990s, which is great for Apple, because it was very unflatterin	Dec 22 11:54
DaemonFC	g. Picture an operating system that crashed more than Windows 98 and still had Internet Explorer greeting new users by default. Yuck.	Dec 22 11:54
MinceR	DaemonFC: the hypePhone was not a step forward, it was a step backward	Dec 22 11:55
MinceR	it made people think that smartphones didn't need to be general purpose computers	Dec 22 11:55
MinceR	even winblows mobile was a better OS than hypeOS.	Dec 22 11:56
DaemonFC	I don't think that the user interface of Windows Phone 8 is that bad.	Dec 22 11:56
DaemonFC	It's just that it's not selling well, doesn't have very much third party support, only lets you install Microsoft-approved apps, and probably won't be around for more than five years.	Dec 22 11:57
DaemonFC	So, I think it has a lot of the same drawbacks as the iPhone.	Dec 22 11:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3439884	Dec 22 12:00
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Last year #obama took advantage of people being away for xmas and new year's celebrations, launching a lot of bloody #drone attacks	Dec 22 12:00
schestowitz__	"He tends to sign in controversial things too this time of year - while people do not have their eye on the ball ......"	Dec 22 12:00
schestowitz__	https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=obama+signing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&gws_rd=cr&	Dec 22 12:00
TechrightsBot-tr	www.google.co.uk \| obama signing - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/g8pib ]	Dec 22 12:00
schestowitz__	He signs NDAAs	Dec 22 12:00
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Dec 22 12:03
DaemonFC	2 minutes ago	Dec 22 12:03
DaemonFC	Republicans won't compromise. Nothing will get done.	Dec 22 12:03
DaemonFC	(Doesn't that seem to be happening a lot?)	Dec 22 12:03
DaemonFC	Modern Republicans see compromise as a weakness, and a sign to attack.	Dec 22 12:03
DaemonFC	http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/22/coburn-schumer-acknowledge-obamacare-problems-spli/	Dec 22 12:03
TechrightsBot-tr	www.washingtontimes.com \| Coburn, Schumer acknowledge Obamacare problems, but split on solutions - Washington Times [ http://ur1.ca/g8pjc ]	Dec 22 12:03
DaemonFC	Also, people should not necessarily get catastrophic coverage.	Dec 22 12:03
DaemonFC	Depending on the size of your subsidy, the catastrophic plan can cost more and leave you on the hook for twelve times the out of pocket expense of the Silver plans.	Dec 22 12:03
DaemonFC	Of course, I'd expect a Republican to suggest doing the dumbest thing possible, and then bitching when your catastrophic care plan doesn't cover anything. It's another attempt to sabotage the law by leading low income people to choose a bad option.	Dec 22 12:03
DaemonFC	schestowitz, The Christmas tradition.	Dec 22 12:18
DaemonFC	It's not new.	Dec 22 12:18
DaemonFC	The Federal Reserve was established that way	Dec 22 12:18
DaemonFC	With only a handful of Senators actually present and voting.	Dec 22 12:18
DaemonFC	Before anyone knew what it was, it was law.	Dec 22 12:19
DaemonFC	You have to get those things in while everyone is off paying no attention. If people had time to review something like that, it could never pass.	Dec 22 12:19
MinceR	it could, but it would cost the lobbyists more.	Dec 22 12:20
DaemonFC	I can't prove our elections are rigged, but it seems pretty convenient that there were EXACTLY enough Democrats in the House and Senate to pass Obamacare.	Dec 22 12:21
DaemonFC	EXACTLY enough.	Dec 22 12:21
MinceR	d-h.st makes it easy to view all sorts of advertisements with optional malware, but to actually download something useful, you may need to switch browsers	Dec 22 12:22
MinceR	i don't understand why people have to use shitty, sleazy file hosts like that.	Dec 22 12:22
schestowitz__	[17:20] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, The Christmas tradition.	Dec 22 12:25
schestowitz__	Yule is the tradition	Dec 22 12:25
schestowitz__	like Jabba	Dec 22 12:25
DaemonFC	Well, Obamacare is there now, and it's not going away.	Dec 22 12:26
DaemonFC	Not looking at it won't make it go away.	Dec 22 12:26
DaemonFC	I think people need to figure out how to make the best of it.	Dec 22 12:26
schestowitz__	Why is it called Obamacare?	Dec 22 12:26
schestowitz__	I hate this word, and it sounds like a mocking nym for national insurance	Dec 22 12:26
DaemonFC	Well, the Republicans started calling it that.	Dec 22 12:26
schestowitz__	yeah	Dec 22 12:27
MinceR	it was meant to be mocking	Dec 22 12:27
schestowitz__	but why stick with it?	Dec 22 12:27
schestowitz__	OneCare?	Dec 22 12:27
DaemonFC	Then Obama said he doesn't mind if people call it Obamacare "because I do care".	Dec 22 12:27
DaemonFC	So, since they both agree, I just call it that.	Dec 22 12:27
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 12:27
MinceR	they could call it IDon'tCare	Dec 22 12:27
schestowitz__	it's more of the Obama brand	Dec 22 12:27
MinceR	or iDon'tCare	Dec 22 12:27
schestowitz__	I don't like it, if it was Bushcare what would you do?	Dec 22 12:27
MinceR	:)	Dec 22 12:27
schestowitz__	NixOnCare	Dec 22 12:27
MinceR	bush doesn't care either	Dec 22 12:27
schestowitz__	Obama doesn't care much more than Bush	Dec 22 12:28
DaemonFC	It's a better system than we had before, but it was one of those "Something has to be done, so let's reform it in such a way that gets the monkeys off of our backs and gives our favorite criminals a bunch of money.".	Dec 22 12:28
schestowitz__	he's a label, like Jordan, Woods, Oprah	Dec 22 12:28
schestowitz__	we need good policies, not labels	Dec 22 12:28
DaemonFC	health insurance companies don't provide any care, and the government is on the hook for most of the actual spending	Dec 22 12:28
schestowitz__	"Democrat" is a very deceiving laberl	Dec 22 12:28
MinceR	so's "Republican"	Dec 22 12:29
DaemonFC	the insurance companies get to loot the public, do a little paperwork, and get the government to pay for it	Dec 22 12:29
MinceR	things aren't treated as public affairs	Dec 22 12:29
DaemonFC	Their "administrative overhead" (mostly bonuses for their CEOs and profit for their shareholders) is about 20%.	Dec 22 12:29
DaemonFC	Medicare's is about 1%.	Dec 22 12:30
DaemonFC	But, can't give Medicare to everyone, not fucking crooked enough, still trying to figure out how to shut that down....	Dec 22 12:30
DaemonFC	It's sort of funny, in a way.	Dec 22 12:31
DaemonFC	Obamacare does to the <65 crowd what the Republicans said they wanted to do to Medicare.	Dec 22 12:31
schestowitz__	We shouldn't call it Obamaxare	Dec 22 12:31
schestowitz__	Congress votes on it	Dec 22 12:31
schestowitz__	it has nothing almost to do with Obama	Dec 22 12:32
schestowitz__	and more to do with what people need	Dec 22 12:32
DaemonFC	He proposed it and signed it.	Dec 22 12:32
schestowitz__	It's like calling onself "pirate"	Dec 22 12:32
schestowitz__	accepting newspeak	Dec 22 12:32
DaemonFC	It's not exactly what he proposed, but that's what happens in Congress.	Dec 22 12:32
schestowitz__	or calling oneself "non-believer"	Dec 22 12:32
MinceR	pirates are cool	Dec 22 12:32
MinceR	so cool they had to come up with a new symbol for poison :>	Dec 22 12:32
DaemonFC	Congress is theoretically more powerful than the President. They've transferred so much of their authority to the president, that the president has become something of a dictator in certain ways.	Dec 22 12:35
DaemonFC	He has some pretty broad authority to "interpret" existing laws.	Dec 22 12:36
DaemonFC	That's sometimes a good thing. He's instructed the federal government to interpret the definition of "family" to include gay couples. Those laws were written sometimes 30-40 years ago, and you know the Republicans are never going to revise them to do that.	Dec 22 12:36
DaemonFC	But, the knife cuts both ways. The next Republican president will rescind that.	Dec 22 12:37
MinceR	i was just about to say	Dec 22 12:37
MinceR	gay couples will oscillate between "family" and "not familiy" every 4/8/whatever years	Dec 22 12:37
DaemonFC	Exactly.	Dec 22 12:38
DaemonFC	Hopefully, some of us that are voting Republican will be smart enough to understand that.	Dec 22 12:39
DaemonFC	They seem to be doing it mostly due to financial reasons (they're rich).	Dec 22 12:39
DaemonFC	It's about 20-25% of the LGBT voters that do that, for very selfish reasons mostly related to their big fucking pile of money.	Dec 22 12:39
DaemonFC	But, some of them have something to lose now, like tax filing status or Social Security benefits.	Dec 22 12:40
DaemonFC	So, I'm hoping that in the next election, that's something closer to maybe 10-15%.	Dec 22 12:40
DaemonFC	There's always going to be some. :P	Dec 22 12:40
DaemonFC	Most exit polls put us at 5-7% of the total turnout.	Dec 22 12:41
DaemonFC	That can push an election one way or the other.	Dec 22 12:41
DaemonFC	Just don't tell my dad that. He still wants to believe that "Those damned queers are like 1-2% of the population. You animals."	Dec 22 12:42
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 12:42
MinceR	:)	Dec 22 12:42
MinceR	should somebody tell him that technically all humans are animals?	Dec 22 12:42
DaemonFC	I don't know why homophobes are afraid of gay people. I've looked at most of the fanatic ones, and they have absolutely nothing to fear from me.	Dec 22 12:43
DaemonFC	Phil Robertson looks like Osama Bin Laden.	Dec 22 12:43
MinceR	:D	Dec 22 12:44
DaemonFC	Hardly something from my wildest fantasies.	Dec 22 12:44
DaemonFC	The Republicans have themselves backed into a corner. It's hard to find anyone other than straight, white, Christian, males that they haven't pissed off.	Dec 22 12:48
DaemonFC	Some people from other groups inexplicably vote for them....	Dec 22 12:48
DaemonFC	Their "base" manages to take time off from burning crosses in peoples yards to vote though....	Dec 22 12:49
DaemonFC	They've even managed to chase my dad off...	Dec 22 12:51
DaemonFC	That's an accomplishment.	Dec 22 12:51
DaemonFC	He's figured out that he's getting old and sick and the Republicans can only barely mask their contempt for old sick people that don't have tons of money.	Dec 22 12:52
DaemonFC	https://www.card.com/pride	Dec 22 12:54
TechrightsBot-tr	www.card.com \| Pride Prepaid Visa Debit Cards \| CARD.com	Dec 22 12:54
DaemonFC	That was advertised on Facebook.	Dec 22 12:54
DaemonFC	I wonder if Capital One would let me upload a rainbow to their Design A Card thing.	Dec 22 12:54
*DaemonFC goes to find out.		Dec 22 12:54
DaemonFC	That page isn't loading.	Dec 22 12:56
DaemonFC	I've avoided using Chrome on m Android phone.	Dec 22 12:57
DaemonFC	I've insisted on Firefox, mostly because it runs Adblock Edge.	Dec 22 12:57
DaemonFC	Chrome for Android has no extension support at all, and knowing Google, they'll eventually drive ad blocking plugins from the Chrome store entirely.	Dec 22 12:58
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DaemonFC	hmmm	Dec 22 13:10
DaemonFC	trying the OK Google extension for Chrome	Dec 22 13:11
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DaemonFC	I tried uploading that image to the card design thing.	Dec 22 13:17
DaemonFC	I wonder if they'll actually send that to me.	Dec 22 13:18
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DaemonFC	shared Americans Against The Republican Party's photo.	Dec 22 13:47
DaemonFC	5 minutes ago	Dec 22 13:47
DaemonFC	https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/p480x480/1495484_693342297354305_1093500394_n.jpg	Dec 22 13:47
DaemonFC	That's me. Inventing ways to do evil. I think I'll drink some more Evil Coffee, then I'll check my Evil Mail, and then I'll sign up for Evil Medical School, so I can become Doctor Evil.	Dec 22 13:47
DaemonFC	And then I'll ransom the world for.....one million EVIL dollars.	Dec 22 13:48
DaemonFC	Can't the far-right find anyone that's not an idiot to carry their message? Anyone that has shaved and had a hair cut since the Nixon Administration?	Dec 22 13:48
DaemonFC	shared Less Than 10 Dollars An Hour's photo.	Dec 22 13:48
DaemonFC	3 minutes ago	Dec 22 13:48
DaemonFC	https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/1528759_380235355454959_2034713572_n.jpg	Dec 22 13:48
DaemonFC	If it had simply kept up with inflation, it would be $10.72 an hour.	Dec 22 13:49
DaemonFC	If it had simply kept up with the bare minimum that a single person needs, in order to make ends meet without welfare, it would be $10.20 an hour, in the cheapest country to live in, in the entire country.	Dec 22 13:49
DaemonFC	Or you can just do what McDonalds says. Sign up for welfare, cut food into little bites, and go to church. Because that fixes everything. And if it doesn't, "Sell your Christmas presents on ebay for extra cash!".	Dec 22 13:49
Sosumi	if you have osx's app store auto checking for updates expect connection to be be spoofed and have the pirate gain access to your home folder	Dec 22 14:00
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Sosumi	apparently there's a vulnerability in the store sandboxing and it's not new	Dec 22 14:12
Sosumi	consider it the new iTunes voluntary vulnerability which granted some alphabet agency a backdoor	Dec 22 14:13
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DaemonFC	I don't get how having a TV show is suddenly a constitutional right.	Dec 22 14:34
DaemonFC	If you work at Walmart and walk up to a person and say what Phil Robertson did, you will be fired. Immediately. Why don't right-wingers go boycott Walmart?	Dec 22 14:34
DaemonFC	I've heard that many of them are going to Walmart to buy their Duck Dynasty crap...	Dec 22 14:34
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DaemonFC	The banksters figure that a minimum wage hike would have a stimulus effect for a couple of years, and then that effect would be canceled out when people promised their future wages to a bank to get ahold of a credit card, or to secure an auto loan.	Dec 22 14:40
DaemonFC	Then they would be making interest payments to a bank that are sucked out of the productive economy, and help nobody (except the bank).	Dec 22 14:40
DaemonFC	Well, if the banksters figure they'll just take it all, then I'm surprised that the increase is not already law. Those folks usually get whatever they want.	Dec 22 14:40
DaemonFC	Of course, people who are smarter than the average bear don't go promising money that they haven't earned to a bank, with interest.	Dec 22 14:40
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414845239850188800	Dec 22 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Parenti http://t.co/QurYrb6HQZ	Dec 22 14:52
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414846075619397632	Dec 22 14:53
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Protest Declares Anti-GMO 'Tsunami' https://t.co/dd2BJkIR5r #hawaii "terrorism" -- will #nsa spy on "targets" (activists) for #monsanto	Dec 22 14:53
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DaemonFC	For people who made the mistake of buying an Apple iThing and now realizing that they want freedom to sideload applications and alternative app stores, you can go through a jailbreak, possibly brick your device, and void the warranty....	Dec 22 14:54
DaemonFC	http://evasi0n.com/	Dec 22 14:54
DaemonFC	Or you can sell off the iThing that you mistakenly purchased, and buy an Android device.	Dec 22 14:54
TechrightsBot-tr	evasi0n.com \| evasi0n iOS 7.x Jailbreak - official website of the evad3rs	Dec 22 14:54
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3439849	Dec 22 14:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Phone companies might have to store snoop data instead of NSA, Obama says	Dec 22 14:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.scmp.com \| Phone companies might have to store snoop data instead of NSA, Obama says \| South China Morning Post [ http://ur1.ca/g8pi2 ]	Dec 22 14:57
schestowitz__	"I drove through Utah once, it had an eerie feeling - a vast and grand feeling of the yetzer hara. Seems the intuition was correct..."	Dec 22 14:57
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DaemonFC	he fact that Duck Dynasty has the highest non-fiction cable TV rating while Dr. Michio Kaku and Professor Brian Cox are two or three channels down is scary, and sad. It really says a lot about Americans....	Dec 22 15:27
DaemonFC	Or, you know, God forbid anyone should cut the cable and read a book.	Dec 22 15:29
DaemonFC	It reminds me of when Bill Hicks was talking about his experience in an Alabama diner. He said that the waitress came up and asked him what he was doing, and when he said "reading", she said.. "Heh. What for?".	Dec 22 15:29
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schestowitz__	hi _Goblin	Dec 22 15:46
_Goblin	Hi there!	Dec 22 15:46
_Goblin	Seasons greetings and all that!	Dec 22 15:46
schestowitz__	How's it going?	Dec 22 15:46
_Goblin	yeah good....very very busy	Dec 22 15:46
schestowitz__	New career next year?	Dec 22 15:46
_Goblin	I've technically got that now...	Dec 22 15:46
_Goblin	thats why I'm so busy	Dec 22 15:47
_Goblin	I've three heads on at the moment!	Dec 22 15:47
schestowitz__	Still living 'round the same area, so that we can come and visit?	Dec 22 15:47
_Goblin	Yep...but not long...April is the date set for leaving.....	Dec 22 15:47
_Goblin	I'll PM you with the new location.	Dec 22 15:48
schestowitz__	That's why renting can sometimes be practical... common thing in central Europe	Dec 22 15:48
_Goblin	Ah we've got an offer in on a house....elsewhere	Dec 22 15:48
schestowitz__	near wife's family	Dec 22 15:49
schestowitz__	so probably east end	Dec 22 15:49
_Goblin	lol....	Dec 22 15:49
_Goblin	yes but no	Dec 22 15:49
MinceR	happy solstice!	Dec 22 15:49
_Goblin	near my wifes family	Dec 22 15:49
_Goblin	but not parents	Dec 22 15:49
schestowitz__	ah, ok	Dec 22 15:49
schestowitz__	near to Euston?	Dec 22 15:49
_Goblin	:).... PM sent....prepare for shock....	Dec 22 15:50
_Goblin	and before you ask about citizenship....	Dec 22 15:50
_Goblin	thats not a problem.	Dec 22 15:50
schestowitz__	BTW, you're invited to come here with the family this week/next week, we can arrange dinner	Dec 22 15:50
_Goblin	Cool!	Dec 22 15:50
schestowitz__	OK, so I need to come around some time before April... or you can come to us...	Dec 22 15:55
_Goblin	Yeah.... April is tentative, depending on contract....	Dec 22 15:56
schestowitz__	Before you become the next Piers morgan/Rick gervais... and rarely come back to visir	Dec 22 15:56
_Goblin	I was thinking more JK Rowlings.	Dec 22 15:56
schestowitz__	meh	Dec 22 15:57
*schestowitz__ hates Harry potter		Dec 22 15:57
schestowitz__	(the films at least)	Dec 22 15:57
_Goblin	I think the books were far better.	Dec 22 15:58
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schestowitz__	maybe I'm not to judge	Dec 22 15:59
schestowitz__	the American Psycho book was quite different from the movie	Dec 22 15:59
schestowitz__	and that's the one example I tried both	Dec 22 15:59
schestowitz__	1984 I only know the film of...	Dec 22 15:59
_Goblin	I'm not sure why 1984 was held up as so insightful.....there's plenty of older works which offered a true to life glimse of the future.	Dec 22 16:02
MinceR	which ones?	Dec 22 16:02
_Goblin	Flatland - A romance of many dimensions..	Dec 22 16:02
_Goblin	that was 1890 I believe.	Dec 22 16:02
schestowitz__	what did ti predict?	Dec 22 16:03
_Goblin	dimensional theory....bigotry, heresy etc	Dec 22 16:03
_Goblin	dividing of society	Dec 22 16:03
schestowitz__	was that a new trend?	Dec 22 16:03
schestowitz__	some things are eternally and universally true	Dec 22 16:04
_Goblin	the big brother society was a given since throughout time we have had "watchers"....as tech improved (as in weapons) methods to control and observe improved.	Dec 22 16:04
_Goblin	You had the "big brother" culture in the times of Jesus (even if you don't want to believe at a religious level)	Dec 22 16:04
schestowitz__	yes, but some methods were explained well	Dec 22 16:04
schestowitz__	futurists/writers like Huxley are not yet proven right	Dec 22 16:05
_Goblin	but then as I say, if time proves we always have watchers, spies and monitoring, when tech improves we would facilitate it to better do the above.	Dec 22 16:05
schestowitz__	Look at that overrated Kurzweil	Dec 22 16:05
schestowitz__	_Goblin: which is worse, GCHQ or NSA, which funds it?	Dec 22 16:06
_Goblin	good question....here's the clever part.....	Dec 22 16:06
schestowitz__	UK has had a reputation of bigger big brother than the US	Dec 22 16:06
schestowitz__	Since imperialist days when people were targeted and tortured/killed if they challenged the colonists	Dec 22 16:06
_Goblin	UK cant obtain info on its citizens without breaking laws...but it can allow NSA to obtain info and then send it back to them....info by proxy is perfectly legal.	Dec 22 16:07
_Goblin	I expect we do the same for the NSA.	Dec 22 16:07
schestowitz__	Britiain buried related documents in the water near Singapore, which Japan had done similar things	Dec 22 16:07
_Goblin	And I'd say GCHQ and NSA are in it up to their necks together.	Dec 22 16:07
_Goblin	and thats the difficulty.....	Dec 22 16:07
schestowitz__	GCHQ got funded by the NSA	Dec 22 16:07
_Goblin	And you'd be surprised by who else.....	Dec 22 16:08
schestowitz__	a conspiracy of legal loopholes	Dec 22 16:08
schestowitz__	NZ and AU also	Dec 22 16:08
_Goblin	They always exist.... same "firm" many names.	Dec 22 16:08
schestowitz__	Not sure about south Africa and with Canada the extent is not yet too clear	Dec 22 16:08
schestowitz__	Canada is loyal also to France	Dec 22 16:08
schestowitz__	And France is in the Franco -- not Anglo-Saxon - imperial camp	Dec 22 16:09
_Goblin	Oh.....and I was wrong.... Flatland wasn't 1890, it was 1884.	Dec 22 16:10
schestowitz__	1984 became a brand of its own	Dec 22 16:10
schestowitz__	Like others	Dec 22 16:10
schestowitz__	Or Rockey Horror Show	Dec 22 16:10
schestowitz__	Rocky	Dec 22 16:11
_Goblin	never seen that film...	Dec 22 16:11
schestowitz__	me neither, only fragments	Dec 22 16:11
schestowitz__	they had a few decent music tracks	Dec 22 16:11
schestowitz__	!google there's a light rocky horror	Dec 22 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Rocky Horror Picture show, There's a light. - YouTube \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D3tlvKJq-rf8	Dec 22 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Rocky Horror Picture Show - Over At The Frankenstein Place ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DvK2u4y7J58I	Dec 22 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Rocky Horror Picture Show - Over At The Frankinstein Place Lyrics ... \| http://www.metrolyrics.com/over-at-the-frankinstein-place-lyrics-rocky-horror-picture-show.html	Dec 22 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW - Over At The Frankenstein ... \| http://vimeo.com/4833432	Dec 22 16:12
_Goblin	..... I'll check it out....	Dec 22 16:13
schestowitz__	see [4]	Dec 22 16:13
_Goblin	best music score for film...if you know what I mean.....	Dec 22 16:13
_Goblin	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP1Gu5klAlo	Dec 22 16:13
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| The Goonies Intro - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8r9x ]	Dec 22 16:13
_Goblin	;)	Dec 22 16:13
schestowitz__	and none of that cross-dressing stuff	Dec 22 16:13
iophk	dammit janet	Dec 22 16:13
_Goblin	dressing whilst angry?	Dec 22 16:13
MinceR	:D	Dec 22 16:13
schestowitz__	it's the character in the film	Dec 22 16:13
_Goblin	what about a kilt?	Dec 22 16:14
_Goblin	Very itchy fabric.	Dec 22 16:14
schestowitz__	_Goblin: btw, did you notice we bought tuxmachines?	Dec 22 16:14
_Goblin	no...	Dec 22 16:14
schestowitz__	go check it out	Dec 22 16:15
schestowitz__	http://www.tuxmachines.org/	Dec 22 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.tuxmachines.org \| Tux Machines \| Do you waddle the waddle?	Dec 22 16:15
_Goblin	sorry I missed that...I'll check it out	Dec 22 16:15
_Goblin	Cool..!	Dec 22 16:18
_Goblin	I knew TM was being sold....didn't realize you got it!	Dec 22 16:18
_Goblin	I've been mainly on Twitter these days.	Dec 22 16:19
_Goblin	now around 72,000 words of my second of three books - "Tin Foil Hat"	Dec 22 16:23
_Goblin	and I'm hitting writers block...there's only so much conspiracy you can read about to get inspiration before your brain implodes into a singularity of utter nonsense.	Dec 22 16:24
_Goblin	I'm quite the expert with these conspiracies now....	Dec 22 16:24
_Goblin	Lizards (transdimensional and otherwise), Neanderthals....	Dec 22 16:25
_Goblin	911, area 51, project bluebook....dreamland....magestic 12	Dec 22 16:25
_Goblin	David Icke.... Jones, TPV.......	Dec 22 16:25
_Goblin	I've read 20+ Icke books, and around 20 others works...	Dec 22 16:26
_Goblin	about 100 hours of audiocast.... and countless hours of youtube and TPV.	Dec 22 16:26
_Goblin	and as I said a few days ago, word out with the conspiracy folk is that its not thermite anymore with the towers....its mini nukes.	Dec 22 16:28
_Goblin	I prefer transdimensional lizards myself.	Dec 22 16:28
schestowitz__	[21:27] <_Goblin> Lizards (transdimensional and otherwise), Neanderthals....	Dec 22 16:33
schestowitz__	I don't know about the lizard thing	Dec 22 16:33
schestowitz__	some videos show Icke speaking of it	Dec 22 16:33
schestowitz__	but maybe it's designed to discredit him, not just with metaphors	Dec 22 16:34
schestowitz__	he mixes his nonsense with some real stuff, like others of his kind	Dec 22 16:34
schestowitz__	Jones and Icke are quite differentc	Dec 22 16:34
schestowitz__	cannot speak of them as one	Dec 22 16:35
schestowitz__	I could say more about what I think their purpose is	Dec 22 16:35
schestowitz__	and my friends believe the same	Dec 22 16:36
schestowitz__	they're attract like a magnet people with particular opinions	Dec 22 16:36
schestowitz__	and then tie them with others, thus discrediting both	Dec 22 16:36
schestowitz__	IOW, some kind of controlled opposition	Dec 22 16:36
schestowitz__	and forums get infiltrated with alien abduction proponents and stuff, driving everyone away and ruining whatever credibility older content had	Dec 22 16:37
schestowitz__	!google nsa discredit targets	Dec 22 16:37
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TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part ... \| http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_4346128.html	Dec 22 16:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Report: NSA Spied on Targets' Porn Habits to Discredit ... - The Blaze \| http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/27/report-nsa-spied-on-targets-porn-habits-to-discredit-radicalizers-devotion-to-the-jihadist-cause/	Dec 22 16:37
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msb_	Dilbert is great today: http://hf.dilbert.com/2013-12-22/	Dec 22 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr	hf.dilbert.com \| The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more!	Dec 22 16:40
schestowitz__	http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/open-source-closed-doors-foss-and-the-racial-divide.html#comments	Dec 22 16:44
TechrightsBot-tr	www.linuxtoday.com \| Linux Today - Open Source, Closed Doors? FOSS and the Racial Divide [ http://ur1.ca/g8rhd ]	Dec 22 16:44
schestowitz__	"The people who do something other in 'open source' than develop on their own on their own (and rather unrelevant) pet projects are a tiny minority of the people on this planet and (at least, this seems likely to me) also a tiny minority of the people doing software-related work, including programming to varying degrees (I figure that I spend at least half of my work time on customer support issues of all kinds of technical	Dec 22 16:44
schestowitz__	complexity). They're also a group of people who are mostly closely acquainted with each other, who come from a similar well-to-do background (even in countries where university education itself is more-or-less free, the accompanying costs are significant, eg, someone has to earn the money to feed and equip an additional grown-up person who could as well work herself) and who 'fit in' with a certain culture whose characteristics I'd	Dec 22 16:44
schestowitz__	usually associate with cocaine consumption -- boundless, loudmouthed, "the winner takes it all and nothing else matters" aggression towards prospective contenders on the same or on lower levels of the social hierarchy combined with equally boundless "groveling in one's waste products" when dealing with the powers that be (all partial quotes, Spemin included, totally intentional). As such, this is a pretty closed club and most people	Dec 22 16:44
schestowitz__	are not only not members but absolutely not welcome to become members as well, regardless of whatever their present and prospective abilities might be. Insofar this collides with one of the established, easily definable relative minority groups, some of the usual friction can be expected. But at its core, 'open source' is no more racist than misogynist, rather "hate and despise all the outsiders alike" (sound like humans, doesn't it?)	Dec 22 16:45
schestowitz__	"	Dec 22 16:45
iophk	A little old - http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/10/31/opera-forum-blogging-platform-email-shut-march-1-2014/	Dec 22 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr	thenextweb.com \| My Opera to Shut Down on March 1, 2014 [ http://ur1.ca/g8rhm ]	Dec 22 16:46
schestowitz__	ah	Dec 22 16:47
schestowitz__	and people still wonder why self hosting is important...	Dec 22 16:47
_Goblin	Re: Icke and his lizards....nope he does say that...I've seen quite a few of his vids about them...	Dec 22 16:47
_Goblin	and also his books....	Dec 22 16:47
_Goblin	oh and BTW Icke also believes that the Moon is a spaceship	Dec 22 16:47
_Goblin	thats straight from Icke.	Dec 22 16:47
_Goblin	tragically thats some of his more sane stuff.	Dec 22 16:47
_Goblin	he seems to have forgotten about being Jesus though.....	Dec 22 16:48
_Goblin	maybe he's just modest? ;)	Dec 22 16:48
_Goblin	I'm looking forward to a debate with one of these conspiracy folk who say "research it"....as a defence...I have I've researched it thoroughly and am very prepared for their silliness.	Dec 22 16:50
_Goblin	and that was awful English...I'm sorry....I'm trying to wrap presents and type at the same time.	Dec 22 16:50
_Goblin	Mind you, after all these conspiracy theories, I do have a question - a conspiracy if you will......	Dec 22 16:54
_Goblin	Why do most of these conspiracy folk want to sell you books, dvd's and talks about their conspiracy?	Dec 22 16:55
_Goblin	There's alot of money in a conspiracy theory	Dec 22 16:55
MinceR	there's a lot of money in conspiracies too :>	Dec 22 16:57
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_Goblin	And I've not even started to talk about Scientology	Dec 22 16:59
_Goblin	now thats a good one......it works in the same way that Icke and his lizards does.	Dec 22 17:00
_Goblin	or the "truthers" who now don't think it thermite....	Dec 22 17:00
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_Goblin	Hey you guys	Dec 23 02:46
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TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Linux Mint 16 “Petra” KDE released! http://t.co/IKZfaAIr00 #kde #linuxmint #gnu #linux	Dec 23 04:45
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TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: NVIDIA Optimus Linux Power Battery Tests http://t.co/rPT6xYKLR2 #nvidia #linux	Dec 23 04:45
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] NVIDIA Optimus Linux Power Battery Tests	Dec 23 04:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: GIMP Still Has Many Lofty Features To Develop http://t.co/a734wDs7v4 #gnu #gimp	Dec 23 04:45
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schestowitz_bed2	MinceR: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.564826	Dec 23 05:11
TechrightsBot-tr	www.haaretz.com \| Advertisement [ http://ur1.ca/g8vbn ]	Dec 23 05:11
schestowitz_bed2	"Many more Hungarians are looking to 'reclaim' Hungary's Nazi past"	Dec 23 05:11
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415061787814674432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415062552159485952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415062675354570752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415063461216124928	Dec 23 05:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: NASCAR politicians https://t.co/GndSBmClrA	Dec 23 05:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Holiday spirit https://t.co/rFlOuAMmx7	Dec 23 05:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Nixonism on steroids https://t.co/yQji6Agx6S	Dec 23 05:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Serving the boss http://t.co/bmNEoJTqbi	Dec 23 05:19
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msb_	"<iophk> http://www.voanews.com/content/pussy-riot-member--release-is-pr-stunt/1815679.html"	Dec 23 07:18
iophk	"This is a hoax and a PR move."	Dec 23 07:19
iophk	http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-pussy-riot-members-released-20131223,0,3122747.story	Dec 23 07:19
TechrightsBot-tr	www.latimes.com \| Two members of Russia punk band Pussy Riot freed from prison - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/g8vzt ]	Dec 23 07:19
iophk	Probably just tidying up before the Olympics.	Dec 23 07:20
iophk	Greenpeace activists are being let go too, I gather.	Dec 23 07:20
msb_	It's good that the imprisoned Pussy Riot members are being released. It would be better if Putin were moved by conscience instead of public pressure, but at least he's susceptible to that.	Dec 23 07:20
msb_	Putin is very important to the world for keeping the U.S. in check.	Dec 23 07:21
iophk	Kind of. He tends to run loose himself.	Dec 23 07:22
iophk	There are few checks and balances left in the big powers.	Dec 23 07:22
msb_	Yep.	Dec 23 07:22
iophk	They impose on each other a little bit if another encroaches on their interests. But otherwise, they seem unchecked.	Dec 23 07:24
msb_	It's interesting that the biggest breakthrough in life extension has been announced a few months after Obomber's attempt to destroy Syria (as he did Libya) was thwarted by alternative news organizations, notably globalresearch.ca, and the World Community via the Internet.	Dec 23 07:27
msb_	Taken together, these two events could represent a turning point in human social evolution.	Dec 23 07:29
iophk	I thought the news organizations have been on the way out for a while. There is almost no investigative reporting.	Dec 23 07:30
iophk	anymore	Dec 23 07:30
msb_	A triumph of people over the ultra-psychopath NWO, plus the first beginnings of real life extension.	Dec 23 07:31
msb_	The alternative, non-corporate news organizations have been getting stronger, and doing more investigations.	Dec 23 07:32
msb_	The "leaks" have helped.	Dec 23 07:33
iophk	A lot of ground has been lost in how "leaks" have been handled.	Dec 23 07:34
iophk	Journalists are now persecuted in countries where it wasn't a problem before. (much)	Dec 23 07:34
msb_	To be expected.	Dec 23 07:34
iophk	No on absolute terms, but in the present climate, yes.	Dec 23 07:35
msb_	All the research and exposure of pandemic psychopathy in our culture: G I Gurdjieff, Wilhelm Reich, Marija Gimbutas and Riane Eisler, Stefan Verstappen, and Tony Wright.	Dec 23 07:36
msb_	All talking about the same pandemic psychopathy from different viewpoints.	Dec 23 07:37
msb_	And with the Internet, their work is accessible to everyone.	Dec 23 07:37
msb_	The Net may destroy NWO world fascism as mimeograph machines destroyed Stalinism.	Dec 23 07:38
iophk	Unless they and their corporations are able to destroy the net first. It's on a balance right now.	Dec 23 07:39
iophk	DRM, net neutrality, etc..	Dec 23 07:39
msb_	Increased affordable communication is extremely important.	Dec 23 07:39
iophk	yes	Dec 23 07:39
msb_	There are a lot of very clever programmers working on various ways to get around DRM, non-neutrality, etc.	Dec 23 07:40
msb_	Hasn't every DRM scheme ever tried ultimately been defeated.	Dec 23 07:41
msb_	I read that bittorrent accounts for either 40% or 70% of all Net traffic.	Dec 23 07:42
msb_	Information wants to be free. Human knowledge belongs to the World.	Dec 23 07:42
msb_	FSF has a project developing tiny (wall-wart I think) encrypted servers.	Dec 23 07:44
msb_	And there's the whole mesh-network thing, started by OLPC, that doesn't use the corporate Net at all.	Dec 23 07:44
msb_	I think we're at a turning point, and I think we're going to win.	Dec 23 07:49
msb_	We being the human race.	Dec 23 07:49
iophk	There are still a lot of loose ends there. Mesh is good, but landlines are centralized.	Dec 23 07:51
msb_	There are parasites at every level, from bacteria to nations. It's energetically easier to enslave and rob others than to create for oneself.	Dec 23 07:51
iophk	+1	Dec 23 07:51
msb_	Until the victims get wise and fight back.	Dec 23 07:51
iophk	Healthy systems have mechanisms to remove the parasites.	Dec 23 07:51
iophk	Or else they wither and or die.	Dec 23 07:51
msb_	Yes. And we're gradually getting healthier, understanding the problem better despite the parasites' lies, improving our immune system.	Dec 23 07:53
iophk	unless mountain-topping and fracking destroy much of the water	Dec 23 07:54
msb_	The parasites/psychopaths and their corporate media call our research "conspiracy theories". But many people see through that.	Dec 23 07:54
msb_	"There's no green there. They killed their Mother,"	Dec 23 07:56
msb_	We're going to have to fight fracking etc as we fought and stopped the Vietnam War during the 1960s-70s renaissance.	Dec 23 07:57
msb_	Back then we had cannabis and LSD that woke people up.	Dec 23 07:59
msb_	Now we have the Net. And cannabis.	Dec 23 07:59
iophk	If the privatized prisons lose the excuse of cannabis, they will turn to criminalize some other common, innocuous things.	Dec 23 08:00
iophk	Non-violent "criminals" are the most profitble to manage.	Dec 23 08:01
msb_	There's a limit to what even sheeple will put up with.	Dec 23 08:01
iophk	the limit is high when whole regions have only Faux News on the tube and Cumulus/ClearChannel on the radio.	Dec 23 08:02
iophk	Otherwise I agree.	Dec 23 08:02
msb_	And the cannabis-awakened dissidents in the '60s were the children of the brainwashed sheeple.	Dec 23 08:03
msb_	Everyone has the Net!	Dec 23 08:03
iophk	The net changes how the world can get information. Not just how but also the availability.	Dec 23 08:03
msb_	And they can now buy a computer for $60!	Dec 23 08:03
msb_	Yes!	Dec 23 08:04
msb_	A political manifesto can be concealed by steganography in a gif of Britney Spears.	Dec 23 08:04
iophk	Actually the strength of the net is that things can now be out in the open.	Dec 23 08:07
msb_	Certainly that's better, and much more accessible.	Dec 23 08:07
msb_	But if the ghouls clamp down, there are technical ways around it.	Dec 23 08:08
msb_	Line of sight infrared laser links, through cheap telescopes, is an interesting alternative to fiber and radio. Several GHz bandwidth.	Dec 23 08:09
msb_	Difficult to detect.	Dec 23 08:09
msb_	But hopefully it will not be needed.	Dec 23 08:10
msb_	Why don't the monsters just kill all the dissidents? Surely they could. They know who and where we all are.	Dec 23 08:11
iophk	Line of sight communication is not practical in most environments, including urban ones.	Dec 23 08:11
iophk	Even out in the suburbs and rural areas, towers are needed for that.	Dec 23 08:11
iophk	Best not to lose the net in the first place.	Dec 23 08:11
msb_	Either they're afraid of adverse public opinion, or they are constrained by some "rules of the game" that we don't know about.	Dec 23 08:11
msb_	As long as one house can be seen from the windows of another, a link can be set up.	Dec 23 08:13
iophk	Hence the need for towers	Dec 23 08:13
msb_	And within urban housing blocks, fiber can be run house to house, undetectably.	Dec 23 08:14
iophk	If you're that close, then sneakernet is probably better.	Dec 23 08:14
msb_	Too slow.	Dec 23 08:14
iophk	http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/12/22/cyanogenmod-is-now-installed-on-over-10-million-android-devices/	Dec 23 08:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.androidpolice.com \| CyanogenMod Is Now Installed On Over 10 Million Android Devices [ http://ur1.ca/g8w9y ]	Dec 23 08:15
msb_	Are those ROMs full of Linux, busybox, etc?	Dec 23 08:17
iophk	Which ROMS? Some are at least.	Dec 23 08:18
msb_	CyanogenMod	Dec 23 08:18
iophk	That's Linux/Android	Dec 23 08:18
iophk	There is still the problem of the second phone CPU.	Dec 23 08:19
iophk	http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170874-the-secret-second-operating-system-that-could-make-every-mobile-phone-insecure	Dec 23 08:19
TechrightsBot-tr	www.extremetech.com \| The secret second operating system that could make every mobile phone insecure \| ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/g8wag ]	Dec 23 08:19
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod	Dec 23 08:19
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| CyanogenMod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/8th0c ]	Dec 23 08:19
msb_	Aren't the original ROMs soldered in?	Dec 23 08:20
msb_	This could lead to everyone who has a mobile phone also having a general-purpose computer and access to the Net.	Dec 23 08:25
iophk	The firmware is erasable.	Dec 23 08:26
msb_	Why? Don't they want to keep the users locked in?	Dec 23 08:28
msb_	Wow, CyanogenMod is available for free!	Dec 23 08:31
msb_	All the best software is.	Dec 23 08:32
msb_	Here's a paper I just wrote. But it's only version 1 -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/Wright,Psychopathy,Everything-everyone.001b	Dec 23 08:44
msb_	That article in extremetech is hilarious!	Dec 23 08:49
iophk	It would be a lot of work to recreate the internal OS to replace it.	Dec 23 08:50
msb_	And maybe impossible unless you open the low-level chips and trace the circuits with an electron microscope.	Dec 23 08:52
iophk	The phone makers seem happy with the current bad arrangements.	Dec 23 08:53
msb_	Another huge battleground between open and closed.	Dec 23 08:53
msb_	A white-hat hacker might be able to reprogram millions of phones with something like CyanogenMod.	Dec 23 09:01
msb_	Give everyone a huge upgrade.	Dec 23 09:01
msb_	I was going to get a USB5 socket in the back of my neck, but now I'm having second thoughts.	Dec 23 09:02
msb_	Have you seen the anime'	Dec 23 09:03
msb_	series "Ghost in the Shell" ?	Dec 23 09:03
iophk	nope	Dec 23 09:03
msb_	It's great!	Dec 23 09:04
msb_	Lots of torrents of it.	Dec 23 09:05
msb_	New series I've never heard of, with only subtitles, not dubbed (yet).	Dec 23 09:08
msb_	Cyborgs, but very human.	Dec 23 09:08
msb_	Well-drawn.	Dec 23 09:08
msb_	Cartoon Network in the US broadcasts a lot of good animes, dubbed in English.	Dec 23 09:10
msb_	What an interesting time we're living in.	Dec 23 09:12
msb_	The next generation will have it easy.	Dec 23 09:12
msb_	Or they'll be fighting Skynet terminators from underground tunnels.	Dec 23 09:12
MinceR	schestowitz_bed2: i didn't know	Dec 23 10:36
MinceR	well, i was aware of the statue, but not of the book-burning	Dec 23 10:37
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3441959	Dec 23 10:47
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Serving the boss http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/138776586960096.jpg	Dec 23 10:47
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440110	Dec 23 10:54
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "NSA abuses and dragnet data collection... BitTorrent Sync can be up to seven times faster than Dropbox." http://www.tomshardware.com/news/bittorrent-sync-nsa-dropbox-file-sharing,25319.html	Dec 23 10:54
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.tomshardware.com \| BitTorrent Sync Lands 2 Million Users [ http://ur1.ca/g8xd0 ]	Dec 23 10:54
schestowitz_bed2	"i love bittorrent so much"	Dec 23 10:54
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schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440304	Dec 23 10:54
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Theory: What If Search Engines Too Are Partly Subsidised by #NSA to Mine Our Minds?	Dec 23 10:54
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Theory: What If Search Engines Too Are Partly Subsidised by NSA to Mine Our Minds? \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g8xd2 ]	Dec 23 10:54
schestowitz_bed2	"	Dec 23 10:55
schestowitz_bed2	Microsoft itself is subsidized by continued government use of Windows, bailouts and other money, but mining is only the first step to what Microsoft's "decision engine" does. Bing is a spy, but Microsoft has Windows file indexing and daily encrypted communications to really spy on people. Bing is a propaganda machine and Microsoft has long been a willing censor.	Dec 23 10:55
schestowitz_bed2	You should note the concern Google's "Desktop Search" caused at Microsoft, when Google beat Microsoft to it. At that point, Microsoft knew their OS was redundant to the US government. This is when Microsoft really decided to kill Google.	Dec 23 10:55
schestowitz_bed2	I'm not sure how much Google was subsidized. They got start up money from private sources and were an immediate success. Their growth seems to have been self driven and well planned.	Dec 23 10:55
schestowitz_bed2	In an honest world, the Google would never have bothered with operating systems and retail internet service. They got into those because they were rightly afraid of Microsoft locking Windows users out of Google services.	Dec 23 10:55
schestowitz_bed2	"	Dec 23 10:55
schestowitz_bed2	Family members of Google's funders subsidised Google in the early days. It takes a lot of crawling and money (and lawyer fees) just to become a contender, let alone a leader. Assange published a good piece showing how close Google became to the US government.	Dec 23 10:56
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440063	Dec 23 10:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #intel "allowing its microprocessors to load fixes automatically when your computer starts." http://steveblank.com/2013/07/15/your-computer-may-already-be-hacked-nsa-inside/ #nsa	Dec 23 10:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> steveblank.com \| Your Computer May Already be Hacked – NSA Inside? \| Steve Blank [ http://ur1.ca/g8xdc ]	Dec 23 10:57
schestowitz_bed2	"Very interesting, http://es.slideshare.net/endrazine/defcon-hardware-backdooring-is-practical "	Dec 23 10:57
TechrightsBot-tr	es.slideshare.net \| [Defcon] Hardware backdooring is practical [ http://ur1.ca/g8xdd ]	Dec 23 10:57
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415146964796571648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415147320536481792 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415147907931971584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415151268945223680	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: This Christmas don't settle for a listening device; return to store, exchange for something like a tablet http://t.co/yuVlxCCjak	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.extremetech.com \| The secret second operating system that could make every mobile phone insecure \| ExtremeTech	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Alternatives to #android which emerge from Android http://t.co/orD7MtOQWg Replicant even better	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.androidpolice.com \| CyanogenMod Is Now Installed On Over 10 Million Android Devices	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Russia prepared for Olympic PR stunt (expensive), so a PR stunt is desperately needed http://t.co/Nu2njEqXRD http://t.co/ymopW2SZJ5	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.voanews.com \| Pussy Riot Member: Release Is PR Stunt	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.latimes.com \| Two members of Russia punk band Pussy Riot freed from prison - latimes.com	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Fundamental Cultural Rights Must be at the Heart of #Copyright #Reform in Europe! http://t.co/gdsSeirun5 currently driven by biz	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.laquadrature.net \| Fundamental Cultural Rights Must be at the Heart of Copyright Reform in Europe! \| La Quadrature du Net	Dec 23 11:14
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415151814091485185 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415152062327164928 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415152711878053888 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415153079403954176	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Why does #russia use #microsoft despite Microsoft being the NSA's best friend? It's simple, it sleeps w/ everyone. http://t.co/vI0AieoCqm	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.humanrightsfirst.org \| New Report: Microsoft and abuse of antipiracy laws in Russia \| Human Rights First	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Copyright law is one tool among several that can be used for selective enforcement (jail). Selective application of blackmail another tool.	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #microsoft + #kgb #putin = control http://t.co/7VbU8lpLlx http://t.co/PKRgjFQBFe http://t.co/sRAkQlfngo http://t.co/g390L6S1DK	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.thenewstribe.com \| Russia to charge Greenpeace activists with piracy \| The News Tribe	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Microsoft in Russia - Techrights	Dec 23 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #microsoft knows that Power has no borders (class wars' borders are financial), so it approaches govs, offers power over the majority of ppl	Dec 23 11:14
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415153731186229248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415154035445227520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415154478636363776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415155049422413825	Dec 23 11:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Texting https://t.co/6O9PTjHsgv	Dec 23 11:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "new study" https://t.co/EBGhIyXk1Q	Dec 23 11:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Gaming numbers: West pretends life expectancy will soar (promoting pension fiction), basing it on statistics of omission, like in employment	Dec 23 11:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Balancing the abacus: obesity, cancer up, so factor in child mortality, omit 'premature' death. Salaries down, count 10 hr/week as "working"	Dec 23 11:44
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3442852	Dec 23 11:49
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Copyright law is one tool among several that can be used for selective enforcement (jail). Selective application of blackmail another tool.	Dec 23 11:49
schestowitz_bed2	"Not to mention crimes like fraud and money laundering."	Dec 23 11:49
schestowitz_bed2	They're "petty crimes" and worthy of amnesty of government slap on wrist when done in huge scales	Dec 23 11:49
schestowitz_bed2	"That's the problem, that it's selective.maybe Justice is not blind after all."	Dec 23 11:50
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415161640334921729 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415163584126398465 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164083290517504 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164222826614784	Dec 23 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Microlinux Enterprise Desktop 14.1 MATE http://t.co/Qk3D4Vhao0 #gnu #linux	Dec 23 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.microlinux.fr \| Microlinux Enterprise Desktop 14.1 MATE	Dec 23 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Links 23/12/2013: Games for #gnu #linux http://t.co/cjZjdCRBpW so that nobody gets bores in the coming week(s)	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Links 23/12/2013: Games \| Techrights	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #RSA acknowledges working with the #nsa (and then tries to spin). RSA is dead. It caused a lot of damage though, taking many down with it.	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: The year the NSA hacked the world: A 2013 PRISM timeline (Part II) http://t.co/kPMAIw5VTo #nsa #prism #collusion	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.itproportal.com \| The year the NSA hacked the world: A 2013 PRISM timeline (Part II) \| ITProPortal.com	Dec 23 12:05
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164630882074624 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164811581067264 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415165257964085248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415165433902534656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415165882416250880	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Using an event to embark on a campaign of limitless industrial and political #espionage http://t.co/IX2JPaMOP2	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.techweekeurope.co.uk \| Declassified Documents Prove 9/11 Led To Mass NSA Surveillance	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Obama - so much for 'reform' and 'change' http://t.co/Ww7NedR6Eb	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.pcadvisor.co.uk \| U.S. government moves to block further litigation in NSA surveillance cases - PC Advisor	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: 12 years after an event the man who wanted to classify Wikipedia "terrorism" uses more rhetoric and lies http://t.co/o3RfeKqgFr	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> washington.cbslocal.com \| Rep. King: NSA Metadata Could Have Prevented 9/11 Attacks « CBS DC	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #CBS must feel better now; it can publish #propaganda without fearing that the public will reveal its agenda; the public already knows.	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Is #bloomberg writing #propaganda pieces for #microsoft now? http://t.co/XG3JUqs09p	Dec 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.bloomberg.com \| Data Are Money for Google to Yahoo Asking NSA to Back Off - Bloomberg	Dec 23 12:05
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3443070	Dec 23 12:08
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 12 years after an event the man who wanted to classify Wikipedia "terrorism" uses more rhetoric and lies http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/12/23/rep-king-nsa-metadata-could-have-prevented-911-attacks/	Dec 23 12:08
schestowitz_bed2	"They take the passport off Snowden - this seems to stop people. Maybe if they had taken the passports off the Terrorists * or better still not handed them out in Jedha Saudi Arabia ........ With a Top Official demanding they not be handed them maybe that would also have saved many lives .......... The systems are there to stop things happening and data is only used after an event .... Proof Boston .........."	Dec 23 12:08
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415167279945756672 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415167602353504256 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415167775280472065	Dec 23 12:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Remotely controlled Hellfire missiles shot at buildings and cars with unarmed civilians. Guess who gets called "militant".	Dec 23 12:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: 5PM. People are going back home (or away) for a while. Let's see if, like last year, #obama takes advantage, bombs 'militants' every 2 days	Dec 23 12:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Drones 2.0, B52 edition http://t.co/a2n5TCrNa0	Dec 23 12:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> qz.com \| This is the lethal electronic kit that changed Colombia’s history – Quartz	Dec 23 12:14
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415168249735946240	Dec 23 12:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Obama Run Amuck http://t.co/yg2Vg32sIp "Kill, kill, kill, profess no knowledge of the killing, throw a curtain of extreme secrecy"	Dec 23 12:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.counterpunch.org \| Obama Run Amuck » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names	Dec 23 12:14
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415168814310240257	Dec 23 12:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #LinuxMint 16 #KDE and #Xfce released http://t.co/Y4lr1JHukj	Dec 23 12:17
TechrightsBot-tr	-> m.itworld.com \| Linux Mint 16 KDE and Xfce released \| ITworld	Dec 23 12:17
DaemonFC	going back to bed	Dec 23 12:17
DaemonFC	Tim took us out to Bob Evans for breakfast....	Dec 23 12:17
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 23 12:17
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schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3442778	Dec 23 12:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This Christmas don't settle for a listening device; return to store, exchange for something like a tablet http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170874-the-secret-second-operating-system-that-could-make-every-mobile-phone-insecure	Dec 23 12:19
schestowitz_bed2	"And what of tablets which include integrated SIM capability? I suppose you could eject the SIM, but aren't you basically just dealing with a larger phone?"	Dec 23 12:19
MinceR	you could eject the sim from a mobile phone too	Dec 23 12:20
MinceR	same thing	Dec 23 12:20
schestowitz_bed2	"If the tablet has a SIM, then it also has that 'secondary operating system'. Most tablets lack a phone function, but they still have microphones and a radio internet link. Might be a good idea to verify that the tablet you are buying has only WiFi ..."	Dec 23 12:20
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440036	Dec 23 12:20
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This Christmas the #uk is becoming part of PRC, policy-wise http://pseudomonas.dreamwidth.org/120535.html	Dec 23 12:20
TechrightsBot-tr	-> pseudomonas.dreamwidth.org \| pseudomonas \| O2 vs Wikipedia - a quick look inside the minds of the folks who build the blockers. [ http://ur1.ca/g8xuh ]	Dec 23 12:20
schestowitz_bed2	We should not believe the O2 filtering page but the news is consistent with NSA programs to spy and blackmail. If they have built a great firewall of china that can filter everyone's surfing, no one can be sure their traffic is unfiltered. We can assume that the list is incomplete, so that truly forbidden pages are made invisible. We should not believe the O2 filtering page but the news is consistent with NSA programs to spy and	Dec 23 12:20
schestowitz_bed2	blackmail. If they have built a great firewall of china that can filter everyone's surfing, no one can be sure their traffic is unfiltered. We can assume that the list is incomplete, so that truly forbidden pages are made invisible. That the system also records every click, and flags attempts to access porn and other embarrassing pages, is consistent with NSA objectives. Big Brother is a cooperative arrangement but our oligarchy	Dec 23 12:20
schestowitz_bed2	is not collective."That the system also records every click, and flags attempts to access porn and other embarrassing pages, is consistent with NSA objectives. Big Brother is a cooperative arrangement but our oligarchy is not collective.	Dec 23 12:20
schestowitz_bed2	MinceR: yeah, well, some tablets have 3g	Dec 23 12:20
schestowitz_bed2	I don't like those	Dec 23 12:20
schestowitz_bed2	it's not a feature	Dec 23 12:20
MinceR	neither do i	Dec 23 12:20
MinceR	it's a feature, but there's more bad to it than good	Dec 23 12:21
iophk	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25497013	Dec 23 12:31
TechrightsBot-tr	www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - AK47 assault rifle inventor Kalashnikov dies at 94 [ http://ur1.ca/g8xwv ]	Dec 23 12:31
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Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-nxemBCcmU	Dec 23 13:29
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| DEF CON 21 - Karl Koscher and Eric Butler - The Secret Life of SIM Cards - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8y5c ]	Dec 23 13:29
Sosumi	SIM application aka applets can be SILENTLY installed by the carrier (or someone posing as the carrier if he has the OTA key)	Dec 23 13:38
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msb_	Perhaps it is impossible to hide anything from the governments/World-Fascism/NWO. Then the solution is to wake up enough people to reality, organize publicly, openly. And stop cooperating with the corporations and their governments.	Dec 23 14:06
msb_	Stop thinking and writing that Obama is a liberal, and recognize publicly that he is a Fascist psychopath who pretends to be a liberal, using is dark skin as a disguise.	Dec 23 14:08
msb_	is -> his	Dec 23 14:08
msb_	That article in CounterPunch is great. Thanks, Roy!	Dec 23 14:09
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roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415186368693010432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415200962589253632 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415201705970913280	Dec 23 14:37
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Pre-Christmas photos just uploaded http://t.co/xxHixIUIG0	Dec 23 14:37
TechrightsBot-tr	-> schestowitz.com \| Pre-Christmas	Dec 23 14:37
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Damn oxygen https://t.co/hsFb1rppQR ask #fox 'news' why we need "plant food" (C02)	Dec 23 14:37
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: The #cia was not always killing "rebels" in #colombia - just like in #syria when the leadership does not serve the Empire, CIA arms "rebels"	Dec 23 14:37
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415202362001997824 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415203759569240065	Dec 23 14:37
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Back to black. Remember when German police wore green? http://t.co/emYcVc2Ndc	Dec 23 14:37
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Sending "gear" -- not food -- to #sudan http://t.co/D5XhWQFKVg	Dec 23 14:37
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.marinecorpstimes.com \| Army sends troops to South Sudan, gear to African Union \| Marine Corps Times \| marinecorpstimes.com	Dec 23 14:37
iophk	revisionism - it was doing well until Elop : http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/12/22/finland-oulu-idINDEE9BL04020131222	Dec 23 14:48
TechrightsBot-tr	in.reuters.com \| Finnish city Oulu sees light at end of Nokia tunnel \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/g8yhy ]	Dec 23 14:48
roy_	Ah, that revisionism	Dec 23 14:54
roy_	don't worry, if you put your mind to it, you can change history	Dec 23 14:54
roy_	time works in your favour	Dec 23 14:54
roy_	because people don't have good memories, and at times the first-hand witnesses simply due	Dec 23 14:55
roy_	*die	Dec 23 14:55
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415204852005101568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415205827528884224 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415206384750559233 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415206913870430208	Dec 23 14:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: A merry Christmas to #snowden from those who committed the crimes (whistleblowing!=crime) http://t.co/o6iMzeMQz5 http://t.co/vVbuwVcS7q	Dec 23 14:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> swampland.time.com \| NSA Leakers: Edward Snowden Doesn't 'Deserve Amnesty,' Susan Rice Says \| TIME.com	Dec 23 14:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.upi.com \| NSA's Rice: Snowden should 'come back and face justice' - UPI.com	Dec 23 14:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Remember when Bezos, who gets half a billion from the #cia bought the paper #washpo - already notorious for CIA ties? http://t.co/W083PA1eXu	Dec 23 14:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.washingtonpost.com \| NSA paranoia: Enough already	Dec 23 14:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Obeying the law? Manana http://t.co/UPcO8es6tg	Dec 23 14:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.digitaltrends.com \| Obama to make a "definitive statement" on NSA spying in January \| Digital Trends	Dec 23 14:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Galloway: "I believe that the British State has essentially rented itself out" to #nsa http://t.co/y28WzsC9c7 #surveillance	Dec 23 14:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> voiceofrussia.com \| UK’s GCHQ doing the NSA's heavy lifting – George Galloway - News - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video	Dec 23 14:56
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415207395301019648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415207876333150208 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415208321810178048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415208680087642112	Dec 23 14:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "Special Collecting Services (SCS) "listening posts" in more than 80 cities worldwide, including Beijing, Shanghai.." http://t.co/7hJ4ilVX8H	Dec 23 14:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.atimes.com \| Asia Times Online :: US tech firms hit by NSA revelations	Dec 23 14:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #espionage torpedoes fair competition -- value I've stood for all along. This is competition abuse. Who's spied on by NSA? #EU regulators.	Dec 23 14:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Tears of hypocrites: Silicon valley (and Washington) firms like Apple and Boeing whining about loss of sales after enjoying #nsa #espionage	Dec 23 14:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Crocodile tears: #nsa says that leaks hurt, just as #cia says that terrorism is bad when it actually makes them seem more necessary ($$)	Dec 23 14:57
roy_	https://twitter.com/NavinChauhan/status/415197586094432256	Dec 23 14:58
TechrightsBot-tr	No message found	Dec 23 14:58
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 23 15:07
MinceR	hay	Dec 23 15:07
sebsebseb	MinceR: hi	Dec 23 15:08
sebsebseb	bored	Dec 23 15:08
roy_	ah	Dec 23 15:15
roy_	get games then	Dec 23 15:15
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415209824604143616 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415210966746669056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415212002978824192	Dec 23 15:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: When you put a bounty on snakes you make an incentive for people to breed more snakes to 'kill'. Same with #cia and terrorists.	Dec 23 15:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: In Reykjavík (Iceland), the 'pirate' politicians rise to double-digit (%) representation http://t.co/z2nEHRKG8a ... https://t.co/tUBx4xIXZe	Dec 23 15:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.ruv.is \| Framsókn og Píratar bæta ögn við fylgi \| RÚV	Dec 23 15:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> joindiaspora.com \| In Reykjavík (Ice...	Dec 23 15:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: “We exchanged dollars. We each still had one dollar. Then I met a man with an idea. We exchanged ideas. Now we each have two ideas.”	Dec 23 15:16
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415212152728072192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415212491539771393 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415213618918350848	Dec 23 15:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Schadenfreude https://t.co/Sd646D1INr	Dec 23 15:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Michael Parenti: The US Empire Sees Only Two Kinds of Countries: Satellites or Enemies http://t.co/6nwVb31vQF seems accurate	Dec 23 15:17
TechrightsBot-tr	-> dandelionsalad.wordpress.com \| Michael Parenti: The US Empire Sees Only Two Kinds of Countries: Satellites or Enemies \| Dandelion Salad	Dec 23 15:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Changing minds https://t.co/fL53DLPFlr	Dec 23 15:17
roy_	http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-sotomayor-undermined-obamas-nsa	Dec 23 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr	www.msnbc.com \| How Sotomayor undermined Obama's NSA \| MSNBC [ http://ur1.ca/g8yq6 ]	Dec 23 15:30
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415218300495593472 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415218832677281793 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415219191130882048	Dec 23 15:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "Israel has sometimes joined the US in electronic spying on others" http://t.co/JsxsR1kUIB not just spying; military contracts also	Dec 23 15:44
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.turkishweekly.net \| Analysis: Why has Netanyahu been silent over NSA spying on Israel?, 23 December 2013	Dec 23 15:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: When nations say that they "need" the colonists they have Stockholm Syndrome and what they often mean is, "we are afraid to disobey"	Dec 23 15:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #cbs calls "puff piece" journalism http://t.co/987AmPriaG shows how "professional" reporters became agents of PR	Dec 23 15:44
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.mediaite.com \| 60 Minutes Reporter Lambasts Critics of NSA Piece: They Want ‘Televised Drama,’ Not Journalism \| Mediaite	Dec 23 15:44
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415219919694102529 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415220558427865089 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415221142048493569	Dec 23 15:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Changing history about #snowden http://t.co/rOHvAqwbWK because he seeks asylum/protection from the US http://t.co/0dOizeymOw	Dec 23 15:44
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.opposingviews.com \| Rep. Mike Rogers Falsely Claims Edward Snowden Traded NSA Documents for 'Personal Gain'	Dec 23 15:44
TechrightsBot-tr	-> rt.com \| NO TITLE	Dec 23 15:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Politicians who want to survive in the business don't mess with the #nsa and its #empire (blackmail and smears ensue) http://t.co/KRJBs0OckB	Dec 23 15:45
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.theinquirer.net \| US military propaganda team busted- The Inquirer	Dec 23 15:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Maybe this is why many politicians don't step forward and criticise the #nsa as much as they wish to http://t.co/31P0W4kmhB	Dec 23 15:45
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - NSA 'planned to discredit radicals over web-porn use'	Dec 23 15:45
iophk	http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9244953/Microsoft_to_face_computer_makers_rebellion_at_CES	Dec 23 15:59
TechrightsBot-tr	www.computerworld.com \| Microsoft to face computer makers' rebellion at CES [ http://ur1.ca/g8ytn ]	Dec 23 16:00
iophk	trying to push Android-in-VM or dual-booting instead of raw Android. M$ Jack was pushing dual-boot, too, so it must be the new party line.	Dec 23 16:00
iophk	Again, restricted boot is a big barrier for home installation.	Dec 23 16:00
MinceR	interesting how they didn't want dual boot when they had the upper hand	Dec 23 16:01
MinceR	even breaking the boot loader just so they could have total control over the PC	Dec 23 16:01
iophk	"M$, too" (tm)	Dec 23 16:01
iophk	It's how they got into the market in the first place.	Dec 23 16:01
iophk	There was some Comes V M$ exhibit about "equal time" or something like that. This is more of the same.	Dec 23 16:02
roy_	didn't it want to boot with os2?	Dec 23 16:02
roy_	I recall something along those lines	Dec 23 16:02
roy_	Then there was BeOS	Dec 23 16:02
roy_	!google controls the bootloader glasse	Dec 23 16:03
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Exploiting a Bug in Google's Glass - Jay Freeman (saurik) \| http://www.saurik.com/id/16	Dec 23 16:03
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Google Releases Glass Factory System Image, Rooted Bootloader ... \| http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/05/24/2214208/google-releases-glass-factory-system-image-rooted-bootloader	Dec 23 16:03
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - AN86526 - PSoC® 4 I2C Bootloader - Cypress \| http://www.cypress.com/%3FrID%3D83293	Dec 23 16:03
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - AN84401 - PSoC® 3 and PSoC 5LP SPI Bootloader - Cypress \| http://www.cypress.com/%3FrID%3D78703	Dec 23 16:03
roy_	gasse?	Dec 23 16:03
MinceR	gassee	Dec 23 16:03
iophk	Obviously M$ is aiming for the VM options because it guarantees the poorest experience for Android use.	Dec 23 16:03
MinceR	it also guarantees total control over the machine for m$	Dec 23 16:03
iophk	Keizer	Dec 23 16:03
roy_	he's OK	Dec 23 16:03
MinceR	(and pushing arbitrary code to it via winblows update)	Dec 23 16:04
roy_	Although the other day he pushed some Windows agenda	Dec 23 16:04
iophk	os2 was before dual booting	Dec 23 16:04
roy_	saying to MS, extend WinXP support deadlin	Dec 23 16:04
roy_	usually he slams Microsoft fot security flaws	Dec 23 16:04
iophk	the article about that was "he who controls the bootloader"	Dec 23 16:04
roy_	when Microsoft wants boot, it means giving the boot to competition	Dec 23 16:05
roy_	disguised as "choice" or "not ANTI-Microsoft"	Dec 23 16:05
iophk	But I was thinking of some Iowa exhibit where M$ demanded "equal time" which always played out to be the lion's share of the time.	Dec 23 16:05
roy_	That's how b0ng is marketed	Dec 23 16:05
iophk	and resources	Dec 23 16:05
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415224805659795457 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415225175706464257	Dec 23 16:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: How Docker turned intricate Linux code into developer pixie dust http://t.co/3zky8WGo5A #docker #linux #gnu	Dec 23 16:06
roy_	bbl	Dec 23 16:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> venturebeat.com \| How Docker turned intricate Linux code into developer pixie dust \| VentureBeat \| Cloud \| by Jordan Novet	Dec 23 16:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Linux 3.13-rc5 released http://t.co/JeJuzeFt9V	Dec 23 16:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.techienews.co.uk \| Linux 3.13-rc5 releasedTechie News	Dec 23 16:06
iophk	http://bsdly.blogspot.fi/2013/12/the-uk-porn-filter-blocks-kids-access.html	Dec 23 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr	bsdly.blogspot.fi \| That grumpy BSD guy: The UK "Porn" Filter Blocks Kids' Access To Tech, Civil Liberties Websites [ http://ur1.ca/g8yvw ]	Dec 23 16:15
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 23 16:27
iophk	http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/william-morris-endeavor-hires-former-microsoft-finance-chief/	Dec 23 16:53
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Sosumi	I'be been reading a couple of the new mac pro reviews	Dec 23 18:31
Sosumi	to the point I'm starting to think that crapple paid those reviewer to give it a good score	Dec 23 18:31
Sosumi	hey an already crippled computer that you can't change any component	Dec 23 18:32
Sosumi	but you can add that new gpu through thunderbolt!	Dec 23 18:33
Sosumi	provided there is a driver and the box for the gpu costs as much as the gpu itself	Dec 23 18:33
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Sosumi	and ofc thunderbolt doesn't have the same bandwidth of pcie, etc	Dec 23 18:34
Sosumi	and I'm pointing at the verge review, pcmag...	Dec 23 18:35
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icecrawler	hello	Dec 23 22:38
icecrawler	where are the machines	Dec 23 22:40
icecrawler	hey fewt mother fucker	Dec 23 22:41
icecrawler	when is fuduntu getting an updated kernel you son of a bitch?	Dec 23 22:42
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icecrawler	the nvidia is outdated tooo	Dec 23 22:44
schestowitz_bed2	watch the language please	Dec 23 22:47
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icecrawler	its english	Dec 23 22:48
schestowitz	it's rude	Dec 23 22:49
icecrawler	it could be considered rude if you're a wanker who ain't appreciate colourful metaphore	Dec 23 22:52
icecrawler	i talk like dis to fewt all the time my main man	Dec 23 22:52
icecrawler	schestowitz, you is Roy?	Dec 23 22:54
icecrawler	fewt told me you were one brill motherfucker	Dec 23 22:55
icecrawler	sticking it to the microsoft system machine	Dec 23 22:55
icecrawler	he said you killed novell	Dec 23 22:55
icecrawler	when he gave me this computer machine he told me if i had problems that i should log into mirc and chat with him on freenood	Dec 23 23:06
icecrawler	but roy its funny how when novell bought suse you threw a chair like ballmar	Dec 23 23:06
icecrawler	i know it was in a parody but thats amazing bro	Dec 23 23:06
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icecrawler	tell that motherfucker ballmar and his sweatstains to back off and get your own sangwich	Dec 23 23:07
schestowitz	Microsoft is no longer a big threat as it was when Novell signed the deal	Dec 23 23:11
schestowitz	In 2006 and 2007 Microsoft was more dangerous, now there are bigger issues. Android has since then crushed some common FUD, too.	Dec 23 23:11
icecrawler	yeah the surface machines are so expensive	Dec 23 23:13
icecrawler	i got an android machine its mips and it was like 50 beans	Dec 23 23:13
icecrawler	it does like 1080p and i hooked it up to the tv machine and revolution os never looked so good	Dec 23 23:15
schestowitz	Microsoft is the one begging for dual-boot now (on Linux/Android-only machines)	Dec 23 23:16
icecrawler	dual boot for phone machines?	Dec 23 23:17
icecrawler	those mother fuckers	Dec 23 23:17
icecrawler	i cant seem to grasp dis idea of using two operating system machines on one phone	Dec 23 23:18
schestowitz	it's standard practice	Dec 23 23:19
schestowitz	But I was referring to tablets and Chromebooks - that type of thing	Dec 23 23:19
schestowitz	on phones they might wish to triple boot	Dec 23 23:20
icecrawler	what	Dec 23 23:20
schestowitz	there are at least 2 OSes on almost every phone	Dec 23 23:20
icecrawler	why would anyone want to do that retarded shit? one os is enuff	Dec 23 23:21
schestowitz	one if there to take over the other, but it's marketed for other purposes	Dec 23 23:21
schestowitz	!google second OS phone nsa listening device	Dec 23 23:21
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Cell Phone Manufacturers Offer Carefully Worded Denials To ... \| http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20131112/10434625217/cell-phone-manufacturers-offer-carefully-worded-denials-to-question-whether-nsa-can-track-powered-down-cell-phones.shtml	Dec 23 23:21
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - The Second Operating System Hiding In Every Mobile Phone ... \| http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0237214/the-second-operating-system-hiding-in-every-mobile-phone	Dec 23 23:21
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - The SINGLE Most Important Step to Protect Yourself from ... \| http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/the-single-most-important-step-to-protect-yourself-from-government-spying.html	Dec 23 23:21
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - The second operating system hiding in every mobile phone - OSNews \| http://www.osnews.com/story/27416	Dec 23 23:21
icecrawler	i know theres the jewOS recording machine	Dec 23 23:21
icecrawler	theres the firmware bios system	Dec 23 23:21
icecrawler	fewt was telling me he has tinfoil in his cell phone holster to stop tracking	Dec 23 23:22
icecrawler	that dumb son of a bitch didnt fucking remember that it'll stop his calls too	Dec 23 23:23
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage	Dec 23 23:23
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| Faraday cage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g90kh ]	Dec 23 23:23
schestowitz	tinfoil got caught up in stereotypes	Dec 23 23:23
schestowitz	he can still make calls	Dec 23 23:24
schestowitz	but wants to disable the phone's tracking functionality without taking out the batteries, I assume	Dec 23 23:24
schestowitz	of course it might also prevent him from /receiving/ calls	Dec 23 23:24
icecrawler	yeah when its not in the holster	Dec 23 23:24
icecrawler	every time he went to test the incoming he would pull the god damn phone out and i'd call and it would ring	Dec 23 23:25
schestowitz	why would he be an NSA "target"	Dec 23 23:25
icecrawler	he could place calls too	Dec 23 23:25
schestowitz	he makes a distro derivative of Ubuntu, it's not as though he strips back doors off it	Dec 23 23:25
icecrawler	yeah it just stopped him from receiving calls when it was in the holster	Dec 23 23:25
icecrawler	its not just fuduntu though its what he says in real life	Dec 23 23:26
schestowitz	I can see why Mark S would be a "target" (meaning they identify him as dangerous because he has power) and GCHQ would keep close eye on everything he does, who he speaks to, what s/w he promotes, etc.	Dec 23 23:26
icecrawler	hes real bro, talks some serious shit that the gov't is scared of man	Dec 23 23:26
schestowitz	So do I, so I just don't carry a phone, my wife does	Dec 23 23:27
schestowitz	face-to-face chats with interesting people cannot be recorded	Dec 23 23:27
schestowitz	NSA/GCHQ hate the AFK personalities, they can't even name the people whom they speak to	Dec 23 23:28
icecrawler	fewt knows some serious people too bro, his friends know alex jones and hes related to Bill Cooper who got killed by police	Dec 23 23:28
icecrawler	fewt was over at my crib buying gold when he gave me this computer machine with fuduntu	Dec 23 23:29
icecrawler	do you buy iodized silver?	Dec 23 23:29
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schestowitz	No, I don't believe in the value of high-cost commodities	Dec 23 23:30
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schestowitz	For now, the British govt. says it can insure savings of up to 86k per person	Dec 23 23:30
schestowitz	I don't exceed that amount and the assurance seems safe enough that tolerating interest less than inflation rare is possible	Dec 23 23:31
icecrawler	what about colloidal silver? its pretty fucking bomb for healing bro	Dec 23 23:31
schestowitz	where would you collect metals?	Dec 23 23:31
schestowitz	Many people store it at banks	Dec 23 23:31
icecrawler	you get cancer and shit, you take that for a little while with some vinager and onions	Dec 23 23:32
icecrawler	mmmmmmm mmmmm, cancer gone	Dec 23 23:32
schestowitz	so they have the very same issues savers have, it can be used to back up for borrowers, you could do a run on the bank by demanding back metals	Dec 23 23:32
icecrawler	metal is kind of heavy too bro	Dec 23 23:32
schestowitz	ok, now I just think you're making fun	Dec 23 23:33
icecrawler	i sold this big ass brick to this motherfucker and it dropped it on my toes	Dec 23 23:33
icecrawler	it hurt like a bitch	Dec 23 23:33
schestowitz	or maybe taking that alcoholic nog a day too early	Dec 23 23:33
icecrawler	you ever take hits of nitrogen?	Dec 23 23:33
icecrawler	that shit will get you fucked up and its not illegal	Dec 23 23:35
schestowitz	killing oneself is not illegal, yet it's not recommended, either	Dec 23 23:36
schestowitz	laws of nature are not "laws" in the same way that "rules" of some people in positions of power are	Dec 23 23:37
icecrawler	i got to parties with a tire full of nitrogen and people take hits and we have these wild sex orgies where woman take off their shirts and show their sexual organs	Dec 23 23:40
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schestowitz	I think you're just trying to discredit the platform by interjecting insults and potentially offensive messages	Dec 23 23:56
icecrawler	discredit what platform	Dec 23 23:57
icecrawler	techrights stance that 9/11 was an inside job and that the thermite plasma used by CIA operative Osama Bin Laden was created in the US Gov't's own Studio54	Dec 23 23:59
icecrawler	using colourful metaphores with my main man fewt the son of a bitch understands is nothing compared to the weird shit going on here normally	Dec 24 00:00
schestowitz	that's not the site's stance at all, you're just trolling now	Dec 24 00:00
icecrawler	fewt warned me about idling here when hes not around	Dec 24 00:00
schestowitz	lates	Dec 24 00:00
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icecrawler	see ya later naziwitz the jew hater	Dec 24 00:16
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schestowitz	troll in LKML	Dec 24 02:18
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTI	Dec 24 02:18
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Linux Developers Asked To Distance Themselves From RMS [ http://ur1.ca/g9170 ]	Dec 24 02:18
schestowitz	Not a developer at al	Dec 24 02:18
schestowitz	just another person among many who tries to demonise RMS	Dec 24 02:18
schestowitz	Slow news day at Phoronix	Dec 24 02:19
schestowitz	Citing trolls and calling them "developers" even though there's no record as such	Dec 24 02:19
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Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-23/thyroid-cancers-surge-among-young-fukushima	Dec 24 04:28
TechrightsBot-tr	www.zerohedge.com \| Thyroid Cancers Surge Among Fukushima Youths \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g91x2 ]	Dec 24 04:28
Sosumi	Japan is now the go to for post-apocalyptic tourism	Dec 24 04:28
Sosumi	and they're actually making sure that it is that way	Dec 24 04:29
Sosumi	burning radioactive debris and dumping some of it in tokyo bay	Dec 24 04:29
Sosumi	also, sony using LLVM/clang on the ps4	Dec 24 04:32
Sosumi	but if you think that the ps4 or in this case, sony, is friendly to the ideals of free software, you're mistaken	Dec 24 04:33
iophk	Sony made their position clear when they revoked Linux use from the PS3.	Dec 24 04:34
Sosumi	sony even went to lenghts of crippling the PS4 audio cd functionality in order to pigeon hole ppl into their "music anywhere" "cloud" service	Dec 24 04:34
Sosumi	YES!	Dec 24 04:34
Sosumi	they also kind of killed some easy profit for fixxtars	Dec 24 04:35
Sosumi	and I doubt you'll find any decent music on their service	Dec 24 04:36
Sosumi	what? justin beaver? bouncee? cyley mirus? the singing walrus?	Dec 24 04:37
roy_	iophk:	Dec 24 04:52
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> troll in LKML	Dec 24 04:52
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTI	Dec 24 04:52
roy_	[07:18] <TechrightsBot-tr> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Linux Developers Asked To Distance Themselves From RMS [ http://ur1.ca/g9170 ]	Dec 24 04:52
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> Not a developer at al	Dec 24 04:52
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> just another person among many who tries to demonise RMS	Dec 24 04:52
roy_	[07:19] <schestowitz> Slow news day at Phoronix	Dec 24 04:52
roy_	See the comments	Dec 24 04:52
roy_	popcorn company :-)	Dec 24 04:52
roy_	I finally download about a gig of videos with RMS just now, ready for editing soon	Dec 24 04:53
roy_	After I do the tuxmachines and IRC log tasks	Dec 24 04:53
roy_	iophk: Sony are not the worst on the planet	Dec 24 05:15
roy_	they use a lot of Linux, still, and there's no signn og them paying MSFT for it	Dec 24 05:15
roy_	However, they sue other companies over Android	Dec 24 05:16
iophk	Yeah, it's mixed.	Dec 24 05:16
roy_	Bashing Son't Linux products is an exercise in futility, IMHO	Dec 24 05:16
iophk	Not paying M$ is a good sign.	Dec 24 05:16
iophk	Not bashing, AFAIK	Dec 24 05:16
roy_	conflicts with others	Dec 24 05:16
roy_	I think that Sony still like UNIX in the engineering side	Dec 24 05:16
iophk	But the revoking of Linux use on the PS3 was a dirty trick.	Dec 24 05:16
roy_	But they left Linux due to fear of broken 'precious' locks	Dec 24 05:17
roy_	I am not sure I can recall what motivated Sony at the time	Dec 24 05:17
iophk	I'm not sure they said publicly.	Dec 24 05:17
iophk	The PS3 was getting popular for clusters.	Dec 24 05:17
roy_	I think many developers got very close to unlocking the full potential of the h/w such that you wouldn't rent any games, just take the razor handle	Dec 24 05:18
iophk	Medicing, physics, military and others were all buying them up.	Dec 24 05:18
roy_	Maybe it was subsidised, sold at a loss to 'sell' (rent) binaries	Dec 24 05:18
iophk	Possible.	Dec 24 05:19
roy_	and if millions were sold (given) without any rentals, then that makes it harder for Sony to keep the cost down (subsidies)	Dec 24 05:19
iophk	That was one possible explanation, but no word direct from Sony on that.	Dec 24 05:19
roy_	Sony is Japanese	Dec 24 05:19
roy_	They don't talk muchj	Dec 24 05:19
roy_	Not extrovert types, not even the companies	Dec 24 05:19
roy_	the most they expose is some girls grouching over devices and Japanese cars	Dec 24 05:20
roy_	It's Microsoft that goes over the limits by bribing, doing mock funerals, etc.	Dec 24 05:20
roy_	Sony must have known that telling the true reason would be worse thanns aaying nothihg at all	Dec 24 05:21
iophk	(The Phoronix article is disturbing. They should not have given a platform for what is clearly a troll. What might have been worthy of an article would be tracing the troll back to M$ via money or whatever.)	Dec 24 05:21
roy_	yeah	Dec 24 05:21
roy_	My wife was next to me showing it and asking, should I post this?	Dec 24 05:21
roy_	Then i looked at the source	Dec 24 05:21
roy_	Worrying it was Torvalds	Dec 24 05:21
roy_	But it was some name I never heard of	Dec 24 05:21
roy_	See the Phoronix comments	Dec 24 05:22
iophk	No one has heard of him apparently.	Dec 24 05:22
iophk	It is a classic troll.	Dec 24 05:22
roy_	Larabel does not hate the FSF, but he's bi huge fan either	Dec 24 05:22
roy_	So borrowing a troll helps, esp. when it's such a slow news day and Phoronix is his main/only source of income	Dec 24 05:22
roy_	He's not guaranteed flat income, so December is harder	Dec 24 05:22
roy_	The troll was also quite rude, look at the language	Dec 24 05:22
iophk	It lowers Phoronix about 2 notches, at least, in my eyes.	Dec 24 05:23
roy_	David Trollinger and Van Hoof were at least a little police, but deceptive	Dec 24 05:23
roy_	I will tell him, I'm always in his IRC channe	Dec 24 05:23
iophk	I've only looked at the phoronix article not the email it presumably links to	Dec 24 05:23
iophk	An investigation into the troll's funding would be interesting.	Dec 24 05:24
roy_	odd... he's not in his IRC channel	Dec 24 05:24
iophk	There's probably a tie to M$, not directly but via a contractor.	Dec 24 05:24
roy_	He has always been there when I checked	Dec 24 05:24
roy_	I checked the nicklist to see if he uses another name	Dec 24 05:24
roy_	I will tweet him instead	Dec 24 05:24
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415428202505334784	Dec 24 05:26
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: .@michaellarabel I understand it's a slow news day, but giving a platform to typical anti-RMS troll is lowering the status of #phoronix IMHO	Dec 24 05:26
roy_	I have just unloaded a gigabyte of new RMS videos. I will edit them very soon and release in 2014. Rare questions, interesting answers.	Dec 24 05:27
iophk	Cool.	Dec 24 05:28
iophk	Seems last updated Dec 2012: http://perens.com/business/kiloboot	Dec 24 05:28
TechrightsBot-tr	perens.com \| Kiloboot: Bruce Perens' Latest Start-Up Company.	Dec 24 05:28
roy_	He has not got much impact anymore	Dec 24 05:28
iophk	Not really. He's doing other things.	Dec 24 05:29
roy_	I reckon he focuses on his son Stanley and works for some company or entity that's working quietly with gov. dept. (avoiding unanted attention by the Proprietary Cult)	Dec 24 05:29
roy_	I can't even talk about what I do at work for this reason	Dec 24 05:29
roy_	Last night Drupal, GNU/Linux, Icinga, Puppet, and JBOSS	Dec 24 05:30
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roy_	https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/415440248026312705/photo/1	Dec 24 06:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@EllieAsksWhy: @schestowitz I'd like a reprieve from religious proselytizing served by Google Ads http://t.co/uxhIcDtdCE	Dec 24 06:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@EllieAsksWhy: @schestowitz I'd like a reprieve from religious proselytizing served by Google Ads http://t.co/uxhIcDtdCE	Dec 24 06:17
roy_	AdBlock would help; I had 3 hours wasted by a couple of "Elders" two months ago.	Dec 24 06:18
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roy_	http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/12/rss/authors/231116?page=7	Dec 24 06:44
TechrightsBot-tr	www.motherjones.com \| Mojo - December 2013 \| Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/g92ng ]	Dec 24 06:44
iophk	http://falkvinge.net/2013/12/24/reminder-2-hunt-for-file-sharers-violate-fundamental-human-rights-says-european-court-of-human-rights/	Dec 24 07:00
TechrightsBot-tr	falkvinge.net \| Reminder 2: Hunt For File-Sharers Violates Fundamental Human Rights (Says The European Court Of Human Rights) - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/g92qb ]	Dec 24 07:00
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 24 08:22
roy_	j0	Dec 24 08:31
iophk	http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/edward-snowden-after-months-of-nsa-revelations-says-his-missions-accomplished/2013/12/23/49fc36de-6c1c-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html	Dec 24 08:31
TechrightsBot-tr	www.washingtonpost.com \| Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/g92un ]	Dec 24 08:31
roy_	Snowden did well	Dec 24 08:45
roy_	Stallman is a big fan	Dec 24 08:45
roy_	Also of Assange, whom he met before he met me in the UK	Dec 24 08:45
roy_	In his latest talk RMS asks the audience for three cheers to Snowden	Dec 24 08:46
roy_	http://techrights.org/2013/12/24/conflating-us-with-proprietary/	Dec 24 08:46
TechrightsBot-tr	techrights.org \| Despite US Roots, Red Hat Appears to Have Benefited From NSA Scandals \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g9366 ]	Dec 24 08:49
oiaohm	Really in a lot of ways Snowden objective is got.	Dec 24 08:49
oiaohm	Distrust in the USA system.	Dec 24 08:49
oiaohm	Was exactly waht Snowden was after.	Dec 24 08:49
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msb_	The primary motive of U.S. foreign policy is the destruction of socialismeverywhere in the world, in order to increase the profits of the ultra-wealthypsychopaths who control the U.S. government. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_HolocaustSocialist Stallman being the leader of the very successful and expanding GNU/Linux/FOSS/FSF/GPLmovement has the side-effect of educating people about the benefits of sharing, cooperation,and socialism.	Dec 24 10:39
TechrightsBot-tr	cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g93n2 ]	Dec 24 10:39
msb_	So the Axis-of-Evil/US-UK-Israel/NWO/World-Fascism has a motive for trying to separate RMS from GNU-Linux-FOSS, as much as MS does. Thus the attack on RMSreported in Phoronix could be from the CIA, etc. The US govt has announced explicitly that it is employing anonymous posters in Net forums to attack policies it doesn't like.	Dec 24 10:39
iophk	Or from M$ or both...	Dec 24 10:39
msb_	Opps, should have been: "...http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust Socialist Stallman..."	Dec 24 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr	cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ]	Dec 24 10:43
MinceR	where's the place of the command economy in all this?	Dec 24 10:44
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msb_	I'd say that production and prices should be governed by a free market (subject to not doing harm), but that businesses should be controlled democratically by their workers and the profits shared among them according to hours worked.	Dec 24 10:48
iophk	Rewarding the inefficient? ;)	Dec 24 10:49
msb_	Grossly inefficient workers would be fired by democratic worker control.	Dec 24 10:50
MinceR	ic	Dec 24 10:51
_Goblin	So it would be a popularity contest where a hopeless worker who is liked by all would keep their job...cracking system you've got there.	Dec 24 10:51
_Goblin	"aw....he might be crap but he has a wife and two kids, lets keep him on"	Dec 24 10:52
msb_	A "hopeless worker" would decrease profits and thus lower the income of all workers, so would not be "popular".	Dec 24 10:52
_Goblin	I'm not even going to bother......thank you MSB, another award winning idea.	Dec 24 10:52
_Goblin	and just a thought....whilst all this decision making is going on by the "workers"....who is going to do any actual work? - Again, thats only a thought MSB....I don't need another one of you "ideas"	Dec 24 10:54
msb_	Also, control of the government would be strictly one-person-one-vote, no lobbying by businesses, no corporations-as-persons, etc.	Dec 24 10:54
MinceR	The Patrician is the Man, he has the Vote. :>	Dec 24 10:56
msb_	Tim the Goblin stalks and attacks me here and in COLA. His attacks always have a personal slant.	Dec 24 10:56
_Goblin	? I was responding.... Look who is the OP here MSB...who's stalking?	Dec 24 10:57
_Goblin	Liar as well as nut?	Dec 24 10:57
msb_	QED	Dec 24 10:57
_Goblin	Tell you what MSB...you talk your paranoia and nonsense to another channel where I'm not the OP, then lets see if I follow.	Dec 24 10:58
_Goblin	I can assure you I wouldn't...but go ahead and try	Dec 24 10:58
_Goblin	As for COLA. When was the last time you posted? I've been there months haven't seen you there.	Dec 24 10:59
msb_	But he stalked, attacked, and sneered at me when I was posting in COLA.	Dec 24 11:00
_Goblin	I was there before you...and yes I sneared....youre ideas are offensive and stupid.	Dec 24 11:00
_Goblin	so its just COLA now?	Dec 24 11:01
_Goblin	not here?	Dec 24 11:01
_Goblin	everyone laughed at you in COLA, including the Linux/free software advocates...do you need reminding MSB?	Dec 24 11:01
_Goblin	infact you and Snit are the two people who manage to unite opinion between the proprietary & free software crowds in comp.os.linux.advocacy	Dec 24 11:03
msb_	http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/Cricketb.mp3	Dec 24 11:17
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DaemonFC	NPAPI is still supported in Chrome. They'll probably get rid of it eventually, for the same reason Microsoft did.	Dec 24 12:03
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iophk	https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2013/12/if-snowden-returned-us-trial-all-whistleblower-evidence-would-likely-be-inadmissible	Dec 24 12:22
TechrightsBot-tr	pressfreedomfoundation.org \| If Snowden Returned to US For Trial, All Whistleblower Evidence Would Likely Be Inadmissible \| Freedom of the Press Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/g941u ]	Dec 24 12:22
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445454	Dec 24 12:54
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: precision...	Dec 24 12:54
schestowitz__	"true"	Dec 24 12:55
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445632	Dec 24 12:55
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Despite US Roots, Red Hat Appears to Have Benefited From NSA Scandals	Dec 24 12:55
schestowitz__	"Clear and if you are the headman from a company or trust, a rway to get out of this play ...."	Dec 24 12:55
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Despite US Roots, Red Hat Appears to Have Benefited From NSA Scandals \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g9366 ]	Dec 24 12:55
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445277	Dec 24 12:55
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If Snowden returned to US for trial, could court admit any NSA leak evidence?	Dec 24 12:55
TechrightsBot-tr	-> boingboing.net \| If Snowden returned to US for trial, could court admit any NSA leak evidence? - Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/g947j ]	Dec 24 12:55
schestowitz__	"Who is Michael Hastings?"	Dec 24 12:55
schestowitz__	Died in bizarre accident before publishing a major piece about the CIA	Dec 24 12:56
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3442778	Dec 24 12:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This Christmas don't settle for a listening device; return to store, exchange for something like a tablet http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170874-the-secret-second-operating-system-that-could-make-every-mobile-phone-insecure	Dec 24 12:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.extremetech.com \| The secret second operating system that could make every mobile phone insecure \| ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/g8wag ]	Dec 24 12:57
schestowitz__	"@Jim R: Point on that. There's always cache-and-burst surveillance. Sigh. I guess I'm going back to a pair of tin cans and a string."	Dec 24 12:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445870	Dec 24 12:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The site "Microsoft Watch" (pro-Microsoft fan site) died with the acquisition which the #linux site survived http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/12/24/1348231/linuxdevices-content-returns-to-the-web	Dec 24 12:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> beta.slashdot.org \| LinuxDevices Content Returns To the Web - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g947u ]	Dec 24 12:57
schestowitz__	"Interesting. QuinStreet is one of those massive "content-farm" sites, which I suspect may be getting negatively affected by some recent Google actions against crap content."	Dec 24 12:57
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 24 14:43
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 24 15:41
iophk	hi	Dec 24 15:45
sebsebseb	iophk: he really doesn't want Magiea or FEdora stuff etc at the event	Dec 24 15:46
sebsebseb	it seems	Dec 24 15:46
iophk	It would make good swag	Dec 24 15:47
sebsebseb	indeed	Dec 24 15:47
sebsebseb	iophk: I may be missing the next meeting as well, because of smething ese	Dec 24 15:47
sebsebseb	iophk: oh and I am quite happy about something unrelated at the moment to, but don't want to talk about that in here	Dec 24 15:48
sebsebseb	iophk: and I am about to eat something rather nice :d	Dec 24 15:48
iophk	excellent^2	Dec 24 15:49
sebsebseb	thingey in the air and 2, what does that mean?	Dec 24 15:49
iophk	squared	Dec 24 15:49
sebsebseb	like saying excellent to both ?	Dec 24 15:49
iophk	yep	Dec 24 15:49
sebsebseb	iophk: it's their event really now	Dec 24 15:51
sebsebseb	,but I'll still do the feedback form	Dec 24 15:51
sebsebseb	and	Dec 24 15:51
iophk	find some collaborators and do a real installfest...	Dec 24 15:52
sebsebseb	try and get some stuff for Ubuntu and Mint, and do a LIBRE oFFIC hand out, and get something in for Mozilla I gues	Dec 24 15:52
sebsebseb	iophk: there isn't really anyone	Dec 24 15:52
sebsebseb	or not from that paticular group	Dec 24 15:52
iophk	no, not from that group	Dec 24 15:52
sebsebseb	iophk: anyway I may have something soon to really nicely take my mind off stuff like that more, but not sure yet :d	Dec 24 15:52
sebsebseb	iophk: I think I know why not many go to hte metings group that group now as well, beause of smething else	Dec 24 15:53
iophk	too bad	Dec 24 15:53
sebsebseb	there's this other thing	Dec 24 15:54
sebsebseb	and yeah they got quite a lot of people really it seems	Dec 24 15:54
sebsebseb	iophk: I think it's good to have other interests to, that aren't all tech related in life as well :)	Dec 24 15:55
sebsebseb	iophk: computers don't really bring true happyness, but may be able to use them to find ture happyness	Dec 24 15:57
iophk	possibly	Dec 24 15:57
sebsebseb	and some of these computer related interests can get kind of sad/depressive at times, depends though	Dec 24 15:58
sebsebseb	iophk: computers can be used as a tool, to help with other parts of ones ife!	Dec 24 16:00
iophk	yes they are just tools	Dec 24 16:00
sebsebseb	tools that can run awesome software though	Dec 24 16:01
sebsebseb	Linux, GNOME 3 etc :d	Dec 24 16:01
sebsebseb	software that can be life changing as well	Dec 24 16:01
sebsebseb	be more than just software	Dec 24 16:01
iophk	software is the tool at this point	Dec 24 16:02
sebsebseb	iophk: yeah opensource/freesoftware is a whole ecocosytem of stuff, and it can be so much more than just software	Dec 24 16:02
sebsebseb	or can result in quit a few things as a result, depending on person etc	Dec 24 16:02
sebsebseb	and their intereset when it come to that, what they been doing etc	Dec 24 16:02
sebsebseb	,but software itself, probably won't realy bring someone true happyness	Dec 24 16:03
sebsebseb	,but using the software etc, to find someone, that can for example, wel yeah that can be done	Dec 24 16:03
sebsebseb	using the software and Internet in this case	Dec 24 16:03
sebsebseb	and can get peope into other things, depending on what hapepns etc as well	Dec 24 16:04
sebsebseb	iophk: ,but I don't know about you, but I don't really ike sitting for hours and hours on the computer now	Dec 24 16:04
sebsebseb	not doing much at all really	Dec 24 16:04
iophk	work more with people then	Dec 24 16:04
sebsebseb	well if music is on that's a bit diffenret	Dec 24 16:05
sebsebseb	iophk: yeah I am meeting more peple etc now	Dec 24 16:05
sebsebseb	if that's what you mean	Dec 24 16:05
sebsebseb	in perosn	Dec 24 16:05
sebsebseb	and I mainly use my computer as a communiaiont device really, and been like that for many years	Dec 24 16:05
sebsebseb	my as in whatever computer using at the time	Dec 24 16:06
sebsebseb	iophk: ,but I can't be ike schestowitz__ for example and blog about loads of potentail threats to software freedom and micro blog as well etc	Dec 24 16:06
sebsebseb	altough I guess most of us can't be quite like him when it come to that kindof thing ayway, since other stuff in life etc you know	Dec 24 16:07
sebsebseb	and I used to read loads of LInux related articles etc	Dec 24 16:07
sebsebseb	years ago, but I hardly do that anymore now, onlne ones I mean and so on. I guess things change as peple get older here and there though	Dec 24 16:08
sebsebseb	iophk: computer interests didn't quite get me to where I wanted to be in lie basically, or so it seems	Dec 24 16:08
sebsebseb	ok I should go and eat and that really	Dec 24 16:08
*sebsebseb goes afk		Dec 24 16:09
sebsebseb	iophk: altough computer interests did link to other things that doig now, some of them, and such, good stuff	Dec 24 16:09
iophk	like eating... :)	Dec 24 16:09
sebsebseb	in some ways things happended as a result, that has made me more confident as aperson andsuch	Dec 24 16:10
sebsebseb	,but yeah I'll go afknow	Dec 24 16:10
msb_	By enabling people all over the planet to communicate and share their ideas at low cost, computers, free software, and the Internet are greatly helping people to meet, find common purposes, and realize that those in other countries are really not so different from ourselves, thus dissolving the alienation that the NWO rulers use to keep us separated.	Dec 24 16:33
msb_	A good example is this IRC channel!	Dec 24 16:34
msb_	Also, the principle of the GPL, and "Information wants to be free", and "Human knowledge belongs to the World", and even Bittorrent, is spreading to other fields such as the publication of scientific research, where people are starting to put their papers up on the Web for everyone to download and read, instead of journals charging people $50 to get a copy.	Dec 24 16:37
msb_	I think that all this, including especially the international cooperation in the creation of free software, is the beginning of the World Community -- worldwide sharing and cooperation, which is the exact opposite of the New World Order (world fascism).	Dec 24 16:40
msb_	I think we're at a wonderful moment in human history. A couple of months ago, Obama, the leader of the NWO, was thwarted in his effort to destroy Syria (as he'd done to Libya) by using Al-Qaeda, because his plot was exposed on the Net. And a couple of days ago, the greatest advance in life extension was published, and the research article was immediately posted for free access on the Net.	Dec 24 16:54
msb_	The Internet is the most powerful means of long-range, wide-spread communication that our species has ever had. "Communicate" doesn't just mean to talk to each other. "Comm" means "together", and "uni" means "one". Coming together as one!	Dec 24 17:04
MinceR	that's what she said.	Dec 24 17:04
msb_	Brava!	Dec 24 17:07
MinceR	:)	Dec 24 17:08
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/stream#	Dec 24 17:08
TechrightsBot-tr	joindiaspora.com \| Diaspora* / Sign in	Dec 24 17:08
roy_	https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_2e47bb54edf6cf560a3a.jpg	Dec 24 17:09
msb_	Good one, Roy! That's what happens when government, which is designed to protect people from psychopaths, is _taken over_ by big psychopaths and used by them.	Dec 24 17:31
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MinceR	gn	Dec 24 21:07
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roy_	Church Across the Road is quite nice	Dec 25 05:49
roy_	nice as in well presented http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Christmas-Eve/Church-Across-the-Road	Dec 25 05:53
TechrightsBot-tr	schestowitz.com \| Church Across the Road [ http://ur1.ca/g98vl ]	Dec 25 05:53
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 25 10:58
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sebsebseb	fewt @deaddistroleader/fewt	Dec 25 12:19
sebsebseb	fewt @deaddistro/leader/fewt	Dec 25 12:19
fewt	yes	Dec 25 12:20
fewt	that is I	Dec 25 12:21
fewt	dead distro leader	Dec 25 12:21
sebsebseb	fewt: yeah GNOME 3 and SystemD :d	Dec 25 12:21
fewt	Windows	Dec 25 12:21
sebsebseb	Mac OS X	Dec 25 12:22
fewt	no, seriously that's what I use now on my laptop	Dec 25 12:22
fewt	but I'm mostly using Android these days	Dec 25 12:22
sebsebseb	oh?	Dec 25 12:22
sebsebseb	fewt: surel there's some other distro similar to what you wanted out there htough	Dec 25 12:22
fewt	nope	Dec 25 12:22
fewt	not worth the fight	Dec 25 12:22
sebsebseb	you could resurrecture Fudunbut for persoanl useage	Dec 25 12:23
fewt	I FOSS on Windows	Dec 25 12:23
fewt	I did that for a while, too much effort	Dec 25 12:23
sebsebseb	fewt: distro wars!	Dec 25 12:23
sebsebseb	interface wars!	Dec 25 12:23
fewt	wars wars!	Dec 25 12:23
sebsebseb	fewt: opinated polotial minded Linux geeks	Dec 25 12:23
sebsebseb	my distro is better than yours, no mine is...	Dec 25 12:24
fewt	I'd rather go outside and live life than muck with software wars	Dec 25 12:24
sebsebseb	fewt: or no we won't have your distro or interface for the event beuase.... oh I got that	Dec 25 12:24
sebsebseb	,because what I have to guess	Dec 25 12:24
sebsebseb	,but probaby have it right with my gueses	Dec 25 12:24
sebsebseb	fewt: yep bingo	Dec 25 12:24
sebsebseb	fewt: I was saying similar stuff to iophk yesterday	Dec 25 12:25
sebsebseb	in here	Dec 25 12:25
fewt	ahh	Dec 25 12:25
sebsebseb	how these interests can end up bein quite sad and stuff	Dec 25 12:25
sebsebseb	and well yeah, and they can effect other parts of life, and not realy lead to true happynes an such	Dec 25 12:25
MinceR	i can see how a windows user would rather go outside and live life than use windows :>	Dec 25 12:26
sebsebseb	may be able to use a computer to find someone that can lead one to true life happyness though	Dec 25 12:26
fewt	MinceR hah	Dec 25 12:26
sebsebseb	MinceR: more like they would rahte just ue A	Dec 25 12:26
sebsebseb	Android	Dec 25 12:26
sebsebseb	than that slow WIndows install	Dec 25 12:26
sebsebseb	a lot of them	Dec 25 12:26
sebsebseb	they don't kjnow why really, but they kow Android is for them the better expereice for their basic stuff, since it just works or pretty much	Dec 25 12:26
sebsebseb	didn't get a slow etc like wINDOWS	Dec 25 12:27
sebsebseb	fewt: yeah do you get sad sitting at a computer a lot now?	Dec 25 12:27
sebsebseb	for hours and hours	Dec 25 12:27
sebsebseb	do you evven do that still?	Dec 25 12:27
fewt	sebsebseb I don't do that really	Dec 25 12:27
sebsebseb	ok, but you used to?	Dec 25 12:27
fewt	only here now because my VPS blew up a bit	Dec 25 12:28
fewt	yes	Dec 25 12:28
fewt	all day all night every day	Dec 25 12:28
sebsebseb	you used to sit on the computer yep	Dec 25 12:28
sebsebseb	many ours per day ad night	Dec 25 12:28
sebsebseb	yep bingo	Dec 25 12:28
sebsebseb	same here	Dec 25 12:28
sebsebseb	,but now not so much	Dec 25 12:28
sebsebseb	not quite as much, ok maybe party since TV, but other things to	Dec 25 12:28
sebsebseb	fewt: I mainly use a computer as a commuiaiotn device	Dec 25 12:29
sebsebseb	anyway	Dec 25 12:29
sebsebseb	and it's always been like that realy, and a muisc player here and there and such to	Dec 25 12:29
sebsebseb	fewt: I don't really do anything that techi most of the time	Dec 25 12:29
sebsebseb	when using a computer	Dec 25 12:29
sebsebseb	if at all realy	Dec 25 12:29
MinceR	i prefer sitting on a chair to sitting on a computer	Dec 25 12:29
fewt	MinceR: see, you've been doing it wrong	Dec 25 12:30
sebsebseb	MinceR: oh your trying to be funny again	Dec 25 12:30
fewt	sitting on the computer is more enjoyable for sebsebseb	Dec 25 12:30
MinceR	ic	Dec 25 12:30
MinceR	i doubt most of these are designed to support a human body	Dec 25 12:30
sebsebseb	sittig on a Windows computer makes fewt realy happy	Dec 25 12:30
sebsebseb	when MinceR sits on a Linux computer, Linux says, your curshing me :d	Dec 25 12:31
sebsebseb	anyway yeah so sititng at a computer	Dec 25 12:31
sebsebseb	I do't like sitting at a computer that much anymore	Dec 25 12:31
sebsebseb	however if it's bne turned into a music player, or a TV that's a bit differnet, but in general	Dec 25 12:31
sebsebseb	a TV, wll watching videos I mean	Dec 25 12:32
sebsebseb	or Iplayer BBC Click for examle	Dec 25 12:32
sebsebseb	example	Dec 25 12:32
sebsebseb	fewt: do computer intersts make you sad now at times	Dec 25 12:33
sebsebseb	?	Dec 25 12:33
fewt	I don't care about computers, so no	Dec 25 12:33
fewt	it's just a thing that does a job.	Dec 25 12:33
fewt	;)	Dec 25 12:33
sebsebseb	fewt: you cared a lot more before	Dec 25 12:34
MinceR	they're things that do many jobs :>	Dec 25 12:34
sebsebseb	hence Fuduntu	Dec 25 12:34
sebsebseb	for examle	Dec 25 12:34
fewt	anyway, merry xmas, happy "just another day", or whatever suits your belief system - I'm out, time to go get chinese! :)	Dec 25 12:34
fewt	adios!	Dec 25 12:34
MinceR	(not necessarily well, though)	Dec 25 12:34
sebsebseb	fewt: yes Merry Christmas	Dec 25 12:34
MinceR	happy solstice, fewt	Dec 25 12:34
sebsebseb	fewt: altough having chinese on Christmas, isn't realy Christmas?	Dec 25 12:34
MinceR	you shouldn't let tradition limit you	Dec 25 12:35
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sebsebseb	MinceR: true	Dec 25 12:35
sebsebseb	MinceR: and Christmas is going to be differnet for me this year, since not going to have any of the Turkey	Dec 25 12:36
sebsebseb	,but tha's since I have decided to care much more about what I am eating, in the lat six months or so	Dec 25 12:36
sebsebseb	well more than that reay	Dec 25 12:36
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sebsebseb	MinceR: I think how mot people eat dead anials and just don't care, isn't quite right really, but how it is	Dec 25 12:37
iophk	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/edward-snowden-nsa-spying-worse-orwell-nineteen-eighty-four-article-1.1558183	Dec 25 12:57
TechrightsBot-tr	www.nydailynews.com \| Edward Snowden says NSA spying worse than Orwell’s ‘Nineteen Eighty-Four’ - NY Daily News [ http://ur1.ca/g9cax ]	Dec 25 12:57
MinceR	sebsebseb: what's not right about it?	Dec 25 12:58
roy_	fewt: some really foul-mouthed person who claims to know you was here the other night	Dec 25 13:02
roy_	bbl	Dec 25 13:02
fewt	roy_: I just looked in the logs, I have no idea who that was.	Dec 25 14:07
fewt	chinese was yummy	Dec 25 14:07
fewt	:D	Dec 25 14:07
msb__	Just watched a great movie called "Christmas in Conway (2013)", with Mary-Louise Parker and other good folks. Can't tell you here where to find it, but get the one labelled "PLAYNOW" -- 1.43GB.	Dec 25 14:07
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Sosumi	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16524160/nmp/nmp54.jpg	Dec 25 15:05
Sosumi	also	Dec 25 15:05
Sosumi	merry christmas	Dec 25 15:05
MinceR	merry grav-mass	Dec 25 15:08
MinceR	lol @ pic	Dec 25 15:08
schestowitz__	grav-mass is RMS' invention, an original AFAIK	Dec 25 16:19
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403315	Dec 25 16:25
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don't worry. The #pentagon says it only targets terrorists. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/03/us-britain-snowden-guardian-idUSBRE9B20TL20131203 http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/19/assange-high-tech-terrorist-biden	Dec 25 16:25
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.reuters.com \| British news staff may face terrorism charges over Snowden leaks \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/g6fkw ]	Dec 25 16:25
schestowitz__	"I really don't want to start another dispute about amerikan constitution . I was raised to believe it is not our words that constitute us , but our deeds . So look at the deeds of amerika , from the very start of it , the very foundations it was built on , and tell me , what was amerika constituted on ? What is it that amerika stands for today , and what is it that it stood for , since the first white pilgrim decided he has human	Dec 25 16:25
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.theguardian.com \| Julian Assange like a hi-tech terrorist, says Joe Biden \| Media \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/g6fkx ]	Dec 25 16:25
schestowitz__	rights , and red-skinned trash occupying the new world has none ?"	Dec 25 16:25
schestowitz__	"By "truth" you mean honoured and obeyed? If so... different parts, at different times, to different degrees, by different people."	Dec 25 16:27
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MinceR	"I think the idea of Grav-Mass was conceived by science fiction writer James Hogan."	Dec 25 16:42
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Sosumi	http://rt.com/news/iron-maiden-piracy-sellout-tours-759/	Dec 25 16:55
TechrightsBot-tr	rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g9e6e ]	Dec 25 16:55
Sosumi	Iron Maiden taking metrics on downloads for concert planning	Dec 25 16:55
Sosumi	instead of suing the file sharers	Dec 25 16:55
Sosumi	and yes, if they do pass through portugal, I'll go to their concert	Dec 25 16:56
MinceR	nice	Dec 25 16:57
Sosumi	it was demonoid that introduced me to iron maiden	Dec 25 16:57
Sosumi	so, thx to those "dirty pirates" over there I learned about them	Dec 25 16:58
Sosumi	it wasn't on the itunes "vomit" store nor on major superstores that don't even carry their CDs	Dec 25 16:59
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Sosumi	I only learned of bands like Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Dio, Black SAbbath, Rainbow, Vangelis, Kraftwerk, Amon Tobin and so on	Dec 25 17:03
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Sosumi	through the folks at demonoid	Dec 25 17:03
Sosumi	aka the "dirty pirates"	Dec 25 17:03
Sosumi	if I was relying on itunes top/major hits/featured playlists, I'd simply have limited myself to what my grandfather used to listen	Dec 25 17:05
Sosumi	which by itself was already good	Dec 25 17:05
Sosumi	Bach, Verdi, Wagner, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Sinatra	Dec 25 17:05
Sosumi	because pretty much of what's around is pure garbage	Dec 25 17:06
Sosumi	yeah milley virus or lady caca	Dec 25 17:07
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Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-25/trip-through-bitcoin-mines	Dec 25 17:18
TechrightsBot-tr	www.zerohedge.com \| A Trip Through The Bitcoin Mines \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g9e8o ]	Dec 25 17:18
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Sosumi	http://anki3d.org/developing-games-linux-steamos/	Dec 25 18:59
TechrightsBot-tr	anki3d.org \| Developing games on and for Linux/SteamOS \| AnKi 3D Engine Dev Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g9egz ]	Dec 25 18:59
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Sosumi	and confirmed, crapple sending specific guidelines to reviewers of their buttplug pro	Dec 25 19:16
Sosumi	and that is the benchmarks that they can post and no mention to the lack of expandability	Dec 25 19:17
Sosumi	from what I can tell from a german magazine, the thing simply turns into a jetengine under luxmark	Dec 25 19:17
MinceR	and flies into the ceiling?	Dec 25 19:18
Sosumi	but no word about how the puny 450W can keep the system going	Dec 25 19:18
Sosumi	I don't know, lawl,	Dec 25 19:18
MinceR	well, afaik the peak power input is used mostly only for starting up the pc	Dec 25 19:19
Sosumi	but my pc can do luxmarks and yotaluxmarks without revimp up its fans	Dec 25 19:19
MinceR	so if they can turn it into some sort of staged startup, maybe they can get by with less	Dec 25 19:19
MinceR	but my info might be outdated	Dec 25 19:19
Sosumi	on the buttplug is 450W max	Dec 25 19:19
Sosumi	and you can't keep max both gpus and cpu at the same time with that	Dec 25 19:20
Sosumi	unless they did massive underclocking or used laptop parts	Dec 25 19:21
Sosumi	gimped 7870 rebranded as firepro has already been confirmed	Dec 25 19:21
Sosumi	and for the same price crapple asks for the trashcan, you can instead get a 24 core HP Z workstation with 3 years warranty	Dec 25 19:22
Sosumi	effin unbelievable,	Dec 25 19:23
Sosumi	specially since they just used the "workstation" graphics to jack up the price that much	Dec 25 19:24
Sosumi	when a maxed 2009 mac pro costed 5400€ and my powermac quad G5, back in 2005 costed 4800€	Dec 25 19:24
Sosumi	a maxed trashcan is 9800€	Dec 25 19:25
MinceR	well, the logo is costly :>	Dec 25 19:25
Sosumi	mercedes are expensive	Dec 25 19:25
MinceR	and also crap	Dec 25 19:25
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Sosumi	I like mercedes :P	Dec 25 19:26
MinceR	(though lately i've only been in their buses)	Dec 25 19:26
MinceR	(but damn, are they shoddy)	Dec 25 19:26
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Sosumi	I was going to say that they drive well and are extremely durable	Dec 25 19:26
MinceR	the upholstery in the sprinter just peels off in huge patches	Dec 25 19:26
MinceR	it has practically no ventilation for the passengers	Dec 25 19:26
MinceR	the sides wave like a flag in the wind	Dec 25 19:26
Sosumi	and that I still see mercedes from 1988 running around here and they still look excelent despite their age	Dec 25 19:27
MinceR	the mercedes citaro has "seats" designed for garden gnomes	Dec 25 19:27
Sosumi	aside from the metro I really don't use that much the buses	Dec 25 19:27
MinceR	and of course, having a thin channel in the floor be low (see, it has a "low floor") was a good excuse to take away a massive amount of space in the back for the engine	Dec 25 19:28
MinceR	oh, also the sprinter stinks on the inside	Dec 25 19:28
MinceR	my father drove a rented mercedes-benz car once, and he wasn't impressed iirc	Dec 25 19:29
schestowitz	Mercedes is for p****ies	Dec 25 19:29
MinceR	indeed	Dec 25 19:29
schestowitz	trying to make up for insecurities	Dec 25 19:29
schestowitz	There are strong cars that don't cost as much	Dec 25 19:30
Sosumi	like?	Dec 25 19:30
Sosumi	tell me something nice that sells here in europe	Dec 25 19:30
MinceR	even old ikarus buses were better than the citaro	Dec 25 19:31
Sosumi	not buses,	Dec 25 19:31
Sosumi	cars	Dec 25 19:31
schestowitz	I'm not even sure that Mercedes is still made in German, probably just assembled there for the most part, and perhaps key parts like engines are made in germany	Dec 25 19:31
MinceR	i've heard they're made in turkey	Dec 25 19:31
schestowitz	yeah	Dec 25 19:31
schestowitz	or	Dec 25 19:31
schestowitz	Some Turkish workers brought to Germany	Dec 25 19:32
schestowitz	Although production is done in Poland, too	Dec 25 19:32
schestowitz	germans don't seem to like the millions of Turkish workers, some of them get nbaturalised	Dec 25 19:32
schestowitz	and less in self-segregated communties, at least that's the opinion I hear of...	Dec 25 19:33
schestowitz	A lot of other german brands don't do production in germany	Dec 25 19:33
schestowitz	just in other EU member states	Dec 25 19:33
schestowitz	So it works well for them, cheaper labour, money flows to German companies	Dec 25 19:33
Sosumi	well I guess my comparison of the german produced mercedes with the foxxcon gulag labor got blown	Dec 25 19:34
Sosumi	:)	Dec 25 19:34
Sosumi	well I drive a renault 21 turbo, french made	Dec 25 19:35
Sosumi	to the point it has yellow lights by default	Dec 25 19:35
MinceR	what do they like about yellow lights?	Dec 25 19:35
Sosumi	fog	Dec 25 19:36
Sosumi	instead of coming with white lights + lower "yellow" fog lights	Dec 25 19:36
Sosumi	it came with both in yellow	Dec 25 19:37
Sosumi	they're still the original lamps and I didn't bother changing them	Dec 25 19:37
Sosumi	because the yellow int let's me actually see holes on the road much better	Dec 25 19:38
MinceR	:)	Dec 25 19:38
Sosumi	*tint	Dec 25 19:38
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Sosumi	aside from the car topic	Dec 25 19:42
Sosumi	Ed Bernays in his book Propaganda said	Dec 25 19:42
Sosumi	that in order to get sales, the solution wasn't to lower the price	Dec 25 19:43
Sosumi	but instead, to actually raise it	Dec 25 19:43
MinceR	indeed	Dec 25 19:43
MinceR	and that is applied also to cars	Dec 25 19:43
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Sosumi	to create an atmosphere of want towards a product because of the aura of uniqueness/elitism it emanates	Dec 25 19:45
Sosumi	and crapple is doing that with the ashtray pro	Dec 25 19:46
Sosumi	asking you way more than before, for a lesses product	Dec 25 19:46
Sosumi	but with an cough unique design	Dec 25 19:47
Sosumi	and yes the same can be said for cars	Dec 25 19:47
MinceR	still not as bad as the hypePhone, where they ask for ~10x the money than what a superior phone would cost	Dec 25 19:47
Sosumi	200k € for an aston martin dbs	Dec 25 19:47
Sosumi	and it's not exactly and awesome car to drive	Dec 25 19:47
Sosumi	hey fiat kind of copied their design on some models	Dec 25 19:48
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Sosumi	vray 10 to 20% faster on windows than it is on the trashcan pro running osx	Dec 25 20:43
Sosumi	no linux comparison,	Dec 25 20:45
Sosumi	at least I was expecting a performance test with RHEL/fedora to see how the drivers handle	Dec 25 20:46
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roy_	MinceR: "Mr. Orban has been criticized by the European Union and human-rights groups for limiting freedoms of expression, among other controversial political moves"	Dec 26 04:31
roy_	http://chronicle.com/article/84-Year-Old-Philosopher/143491/	Dec 26 04:31
TechrightsBot-tr	chronicle.com \| 84-Year-Old Philosopher Rallies Opposition to Hungary's Hard-Line Government - Global - The Chronicle of Higher Education [ http://ur1.ca/g9g7l ]	Dec 26 04:32
roy_	crap article: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20131225/OPINION01/312250038/Editorial-roundup-Taking-sides-NSA-debate	Dec 26 04:35
TechrightsBot-tr	www.lansingstatejournal.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g9g7z ]	Dec 26 04:35
roy_	talking points of NSA	Dec 26 04:35
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iophk	http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/25/technology/as-new-services-track-habits-the-e-books-are-reading-you.html	Dec 26 05:08
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iophk	a little old - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2428466,00.asp	Dec 26 06:10
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MinceR	roy_: sadly, only criticized	Dec 26 09:10
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 26 11:20
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MinceR	https://twitter.com/ZachWeiner/status/416251192004448256	Dec 26 12:00
TechrightsBot-tr	@ZachWeiner: Physics cheat sheet: g = 10 e = 10 pi = 10 4 = 10	Dec 26 12:00
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iophk	http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-sending-missiles-drones-to-Iraq-to-battle-al-Qaida/articleshow/27986657.cms	Dec 26 14:58
TechrightsBot-tr	timesofindia.indiatimes.com \| US sending missiles, drones to Iraq to battle al-Qaida - The Times of India [ http://ur1.ca/g9jc5 ]	Dec 26 14:58
schestowitz	iophk: yes, I wrote about it at lunchtime	Dec 26 15:26
schestowitz	good timing to do all this	Dec 26 15:26
schestowitz	nobody pays attention	Dec 26 15:26
schestowitz	they also attacked with drones on XMAS DAY	Dec 26 15:26
schestowitz	4 dead, no names	Dec 26 15:27
iophk	yeah, sneak stuff through during the holidays. No one wants to deal with bad news and will ignore it or gloss it over.	Dec 26 15:27
iophk	'militants' -- anyone hit by a rocket is automatically a 'militant'	Dec 26 15:27
schestowitz	NYT says thet militant is adult male	Dec 26 15:28
schestowitz	i say NYT because I traced that back to the source	Dec 26 15:28
schestowitz	and the source is close to the Pentagon	Dec 26 15:28
schestowitz	Anyway, see my tweets for lots more from today	Dec 26 15:28
schestowitz	I also got rewtweeted a few times by Thomas Drake, the NSA whistleblower before Snowden	Dec 26 15:29
iophk	Yes, Drake, Binney and others tried official channels.	Dec 26 15:30
iophk	They got burned badly.	Dec 26 15:30
iophk	Snowden learned from their mistakes.	Dec 26 15:34
schestowitz	iophk: Chromebooks charge into business market, capture 20% of commercial notebooks	Dec 26 15:52
schestowitz	You were right	Dec 26 15:52
schestowitz	http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/122413-chromebooks-charge-into-business-market-277202.html	Dec 26 15:52
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schestowitz	easy to use, not for advaned users, not expensive like Apple stuf	Dec 26 15:53
iophk	I expect that % will grow still.	Dec 26 15:55
iophk	Especially if the screen resolutions improve.	Dec 26 15:56
iophk	768 vertical lines is not great	Dec 26 15:56
MinceR	the pixel is better at that :>	Dec 26 15:56
iophk	not all models.	Dec 26 15:57
iophk	but the price is good.	Dec 26 15:57
iophk	1200 is ok	Dec 26 15:58
iophk	lines	Dec 26 15:58
Sosumi	http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/12/bloomberg-trans-pacific-partnership-corporatist-power-grab-democratic-transparent-one-party-state-shrouded-big-brother-like-secrecy.html	Dec 26 16:07
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Sosumi	just another free exploitation treaty	Dec 26 16:13
Sosumi	business as usual, move along, conform	Dec 26 16:14
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Sosumi	made my day	Dec 26 20:45
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schestowitz	"	Dec 27 05:12
schestowitz	I'll have to try openshot sometime.	Dec 27 05:12
schestowitz	Kdenlive takes a little bit of practice and research but it feels easy to me now. One of the big, cool things is drag and drop additions to the story board. Just about any video or audio can be dropped in an is almost instantly available. The rendering dialog looks challenging because KDE does what they usually do and lay out all of the horrifically difficult options that other people have created with nasty formats. You can get around	Dec 27 05:12
schestowitz	that by sticking to Theora, which is straight forward and easy to understand.	Dec 27 05:12
schestowitz	Kdenlive packs some surprising power and excellent effects. The slideshow creator, a right click in the story board, is so flexible, that I've used it to render my daughter's stop motion claymation movies. There are lots of transitions and compositing works well. Basically, any still image or video type can be worked into a movie. Effects like pan, zoom, etc, are not straight forward but they are flexible and work well if you figure	Dec 27 05:12
schestowitz	them out.	Dec 27 05:12
schestowitz	There are plenty of things I have not mastered yet, but I like the films I've made. I have not figured out how to edit or fade audio, but that's something audacity is good for. My last two movie edits are relatively tight and, hopefully, amusing. I've collected most of them them here. This is a pan and zoom movie where I tried to highlight seaguls. Here's a a movie where I've combined the output from three very different cameras. Here'	Dec 27 05:12
schestowitz	s a movie where I've had a little more fun with title overlays. The last two movies both use slow motion and attempt to make a narrative from several perspectives.	Dec 27 05:12
schestowitz	"	Dec 27 05:12
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3452288	Dec 27 05:13
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #humor #lol	Dec 27 05:13
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schestowitz	It happens. I once took a ride on a really nice day. The air was cool and refreshing, it felt so good I started thinking about it. The sun on my skin, the crispness of the air, the wind in my hair ... and that's when I realized I had forgotten my helmet."7	Dec 27 05:13
iophk	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/10538688/The-state-should-be-exposing-the-cyber-snoops-not-joining-them.html	Dec 27 06:19
TechrightsBot-tr	www.telegraph.co.uk \| The state should be exposing the cyber-snoops, not joining them - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/g9ozx ]	Dec 27 06:19
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3452288	Dec 27 06:22
schestowitz	tongue1 Checklist time!"77"	Dec 27 06:22
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/u/jgb	Dec 27 06:24
schestowitz	Jacob Georg Benz has started sharing with you!"777"	Dec 27 06:24
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3454406	Dec 27 06:28
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Surveillance and blackmail against everyone, where even the domestic population is treated like an enemy, historically a symptom of empire	Dec 27 06:28
schestowitz	"It's a symptom of the decline phase of empire."	Dec 27 06:28
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Sosumi	and the year is almost over	Dec 27 07:53
Sosumi	but no worries, next year will be the gnu/linux desktop year :P	Dec 27 07:54
Sosumi	aside from the obvious joke there	Dec 27 07:57
Sosumi	I can say that one most significant things that happened this year in the gnu/linux scene of things was the steam box	Dec 27 07:58
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iophk	http://www.develop-online.net/news/mark-pincus-asks-obama-to-pardon-snowden/0187606	Dec 27 12:36
TechrightsBot-tr	www.develop-online.net \| Mark Pincus asks Obama to pardon Snowden \| Latest news from the game development industry \| Develop [ http://ur1.ca/g9qn1 ]	Dec 27 12:36
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Dec 27 12:52
DaemonFC	25 seconds ago · Edited	Dec 27 12:52
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTc	Dec 27 12:52
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Hope Seems Lost In Running OS X Binaries On Linux [ http://ur1.ca/g9qq0 ]	Dec 27 12:52
DaemonFC	I don't know why this project even started. Apple OS X gives you the worst of all worlds. It is proprietary and malicious software, it is technically deficient, it's very hard to use, it is relatively obscure, and it doesn't have any must have apps.	Dec 27 12:52
DaemonFC	Everything I'd use it for already has better open source alternatives that run on GNU/Linux.	Dec 27 12:52
DaemonFC	I don't like Wine, and I avoid Windows programs for the most part, but I can at least understand why Wine exists.	Dec 27 12:52
MinceR	people often depend on proprietary and malicious software	Dec 27 12:53
cubezzz	it was open, then it was closed, now it's somewhat open :)	Dec 27 12:54
cubezzz	Unix v6 license was initially about 100 bucks	Dec 27 12:55
cubezzz	trouble was you needed a PDP-11 or a Interdata to run it	Dec 27 12:55
MinceR	:)	Dec 27 12:55
cubezzz	but you got everything: all source for the libs, device drivers, kernel and user programs	Dec 27 12:56
DaemonFC	Yeah. Solaris is now mostly proprietary again.	Dec 27 12:56
cubezzz	and a snobol interpreter :)	Dec 27 12:56
DaemonFC	Most of the source still gets released, months later, under the CDDL.	Dec 27 12:57
DaemonFC	But the Solaris kernel is fully proprietary again.	Dec 27 12:57
cubezzz	there's a new fork of Solaris	Dec 27 12:57
cubezzz	have you heard of OpenSXCE?	Dec 27 12:57
DaemonFC	You can still get the kernel source code up to what Oracle released in 2010, as CDDL.	Dec 27 12:57
DaemonFC	But, there will probably never be another CDDL code drop of the Solaris kernel.	Dec 27 12:57
cubezzz	http://www.opensxce.org	Dec 27 12:58
TechrightsBot-tr	www.opensxce.org \| OpenSXCE 2013.05 LiveDVD	Dec 27 12:58
DaemonFC	Oh, yeah, people can fork the 2010 release of the kernel, but it's going to be fragmented and not 100% compatible, which is basically what Oracle intended when they did that.	Dec 27 12:58
DaemonFC	And there's no guarantee that that policy won't spread to the rest of their system.	Dec 27 12:59
DaemonFC	Oracle is probably steaming mad that Sun ever released anything at all as open source.	Dec 27 12:59
DaemonFC	Oracle is not an open source software company.	Dec 27 12:59
DaemonFC	Very nearly everything they have as open source is due to a legacy status as open source from before they acquired it.	Dec 27 13:00
DaemonFC	People should avoid them, and even their GNU/Linux distribution.	Dec 27 13:00
DaemonFC	Hostile company.	Dec 27 13:00
DaemonFC	If there was some legal way of changing the license to their GNU/Linux system to a proprietary one, they'd do it.	Dec 27 13:01
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/retro-mwm-desktop.png	Dec 27 13:01
iophk	Solaris is moribund or dead. Most developers seem to have moved to Illumos.	Dec 27 13:01
iophk	http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/About+illumos	Dec 27 13:02
TechrightsBot-tr	wiki.illumos.org \| About illumos - illumos - illumos wiki [ http://ur1.ca/g9qrr ]	Dec 27 13:02
DaemonFC	I said my opinion of Richard Stallman on Facebook.	Dec 27 13:02
DaemonFC	I said he may not be the smartest person on the planet, but he's probably in the top 100.	Dec 27 13:02
DaemonFC	Which is not bad when the human population is near 7 billion.	Dec 27 13:02
cubezzz	let's not forget Thompson and Ritchie	Dec 27 13:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/416624896316551168	Dec 27 13:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@Messgorough: @schestowitz Apple has never competed neither has it's OS ever surpassed Android or in it's day.....Symbian.	Dec 27 13:04
cubezzz	and Tanenbaum also deserves a mention	Dec 27 13:05
cubezzz	he was in the mix relatively early	Dec 27 13:05
DaemonFC	There wouldn't be a GNU/Linux system without MINIX.	Dec 27 13:05
DaemonFC	MINIX was the system that Linux was developed on, because it was relatively free and open for the time period.	Dec 27 13:06
DaemonFC	If Torvalds wasn't able to get a copy of it, then he wouldn't have had a system to develop Linux on.	Dec 27 13:06
DaemonFC	So, it is part of the GNU/Linux legacy. A major one.	Dec 27 13:07
cubezzz	Torvalds could have started on Unix v7 or even v6	Dec 27 13:07
cubezzz	Minix was a clone of Unix after all	Dec 27 13:07
cubezzz	but as far as I know, no one did	Dec 27 13:07
DaemonFC	Right, but I understand it was expensive and didn't support IBM PCs?	Dec 27 13:08
DaemonFC	Wasn't the only other "affordable" PC port Microsoft XENIX?	Dec 27 13:08
cubezzz	well it got ported to a bunch of different things	Dec 27 13:08
DaemonFC	You could get that for less than $100 at Radio Shack, back when Radio Shack had that sort of stuff, and before it turned into a glorified cell phone store.	Dec 27 13:08
DaemonFC	But XENIX source code wasn't available.	Dec 27 13:09
DaemonFC	It was 100% proprietary.	Dec 27 13:09
cubezzz	based on Unix v7 which was available for $$$	Dec 27 13:09
DaemonFC	You got the MINIX source code just for buying the book, and you were allowed to modify it.	Dec 27 13:09
DaemonFC	I think that the book was like $70?	Dec 27 13:09
cubezzz	Prentice Hall, yeah	Dec 27 13:09
cubezzz	I bought it	Dec 27 13:09
cubezzz	around $90 Canadian	Dec 27 13:10
DaemonFC	That was basically unheard of back then.	Dec 27 13:10
DaemonFC	So, XENIX ran on PCs and wasn't too much more expensive, but you got no source code and no rights to modify or share it.	Dec 27 13:10
DaemonFC	So it was licensed like DOS or Windows.	Dec 27 13:10
cubezzz	no, Xenix didn't start on PCs	Dec 27 13:11
DaemonFC	You could get it for PC.	Dec 27 13:11
DaemonFC	I've seen it running on a 286.	Dec 27 13:11
cubezzz	PDP-11 then Z8001 then 68000 and after that x86	Dec 27 13:11
cubezzz	sure there was a 8086 one too	Dec 27 13:12
cubezzz	cut down from the original v7, so it was worse	Dec 27 13:12
DaemonFC	My first IBM PC (clone) was using a 386.	Dec 27 13:12
DaemonFC	But it was one of those mobile 386 SX things.	Dec 27 13:12
DaemonFC	It was good enough to run DOS.	Dec 27 13:13
cubezzz	the problem was everyone who bought licensed Unix v7 created a closed source version to sell	Dec 27 13:13
DaemonFC	I saw a Crime Stoppers ad on TV this morning. Someone broke into the AT&T store on Lima Road in Fort Wayne, and stole a bunch of tablets and phones.	Dec 27 13:14
DaemonFC	They're all locked, so that you can only activate them on AT&T.	Dec 27 13:14
DaemonFC	As soon as someone powers them on, it will start giving out their GPS location.	Dec 27 13:15
DaemonFC	I wonder what they plan to do with them.	Dec 27 13:15
cubezzz	it was all shared via 9-track mag tape	Dec 27 13:15
DaemonFC	I had an Amiga and a Commodore 64 before that.	Dec 27 13:17
cubezzz	Xenix was kind of a step backwards	Dec 27 13:17
DaemonFC	The Amiga was considerably better, but the software development was going towards DOS.	Dec 27 13:17
DaemonFC	Microsoft didn't support Xenix for very long.	Dec 27 13:19
DaemonFC	Pretty much everything that they didn't have 100% control over was just a way to poach customers and get government contracts.	Dec 27 13:19
DaemonFC	The goal was always to move them to DOS or Windows later.	Dec 27 13:20
cubezzz	there's 2.11BSD for PDP-11 and 4.3BSD for Vax	Dec 27 13:22
cubezzz	they're still maintained	Dec 27 13:24
cubezzz	all with device driver code of course	Dec 27 13:27
DaemonFC	http://toastytech.com/guis/win8sp1.html	Dec 27 13:27
TechrightsBot-tr	toastytech.com \| Windows 8 Service Pack 1 (Windows 8.1)	Dec 27 13:27
cubezzz	all the DEC hardware was well documented too, no secret chips were used	Dec 27 13:27
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/vax-4.3bsd.png	Dec 27 13:30
DaemonFC	The older I get, the more pills I take. :P	Dec 27 13:35
DaemonFC	I'm up to three every day now.	Dec 27 13:35
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 13:35
DaemonFC	I gave up on that Polari IRC client for now.	Dec 27 13:35
DaemonFC	It is very incomplete and mostly unusable except as maybe alpha-quality software for people that are just curious.	Dec 27 13:36
DaemonFC	It's not good enough to be an every day IRC program.	Dec 27 13:36
DaemonFC	I switched back to HexChat.	Dec 27 13:36
DaemonFC	Xchat is unmaintained now. Fedora still patches it up well enough to work and to patch security issues.	Dec 27 13:37
DaemonFC	Upstream isn't even accepting the patches, so I think it's obvious that the HexChat fork is now the way to go if you liked Xchat.	Dec 27 13:37
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DaemonFC	I think that to avoid confusion, there should be an official deprecation of Xchat and a dummy package that takes people to HexChat and is later removed from the system.	Dec 27 13:38
DaemonFC	The dummy package could also migrate your Xchat settings.	Dec 27 13:38
DaemonFC	I think that upstream has abandoned Xchat for something like 3, almost 4 years now.	Dec 27 13:39
DaemonFC	I guess it could live on the same way xmms did. :P	Dec 27 13:39
DaemonFC	Until there's just no way to support it any longer.	Dec 27 13:40
DaemonFC	Eventually, distributions will want to remove GTK+ 2.x. It will be several years.	Dec 27 13:40
DaemonFC	The reasoning for dropping xmms was that nobody was going to port it to GTK+ 2 and it was the last package that still used GTK+ 1.	Dec 27 13:40
DaemonFC	Fedora held on to xmms for a long time.	Dec 27 13:41
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Sosumi	I was just joking when I mentioned the "year of the desktop linux"	Dec 27 13:53
Sosumi	and from my POV, desktop linux is great	Dec 27 13:53
Sosumi	the only workings gnu/linux needs as a whole is the ease to install proprietary drivers	Dec 27 13:54
Sosumi	like the nvidia ones	Dec 27 13:54
Sosumi	also I think I'll be pulling the trigger on a maxed dell precision t7600 to replace one of my mac pros	Dec 27 13:56
Sosumi	which also means the I'm departing from osx for some of my stuff	Dec 27 13:56
Sosumi	after one year of getting things ready	Dec 27 13:56
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iophk	http://theconversation.com/facebooks-so-uncool-but-its-morphing-into-a-different-beast-21548	Dec 27 14:58
TechrightsBot-tr	theconversation.com \| Facebook's so uncool, but it's morphing into a different beast [ http://ur1.ca/g9gkt ]	Dec 27 14:58
iophk	http://torrentfreak.com/google-discarded-21000000-takedown-requests-in-2013-131227/	Dec 27 15:04
TechrightsBot-tr	torrentfreak.com \| Google Discarded 21,000,000 Takedown Requests in 2013 \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g9rd1 ]	Dec 27 15:04
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DaemonFC	Sosumi, We don't need proprietary drivers.	Dec 27 15:39
DaemonFC	We need to support the companies that provide usable Free drivers whenever we can do that.	Dec 27 15:39
Sosumi	well ofc	Dec 27 15:39
DaemonFC	The open source Radeon driver is getting quite good.	Dec 27 15:39
Sosumi	but until the mentality finally changes	Dec 27 15:39
DaemonFC	I removed the proprietary one a while ago.	Dec 27 15:40
Sosumi	are they also good for opencl?	Dec 27 15:40
DaemonFC	For some time, it was only usable for basic use cases, like it would run kwin and Mutter with decent support, but now it's even running my video games at full speed.	Dec 27 15:40
DaemonFC	So, instead of proprietary drivers, people should just be using the latest version of Fedora.	Dec 27 15:41
Sosumi	yes, but do the free drivers support opencl?	Dec 27 15:41
DaemonFC	It's the easiest way to make sure everything works well, and probably 95% of Radeon users don't even need to do anything else.	Dec 27 15:41
DaemonFC	Well, I haven't paid close attention to that.	Dec 27 15:41
DaemonFC	I know there's something called Gallium Compute and that AMD is working on supporting that in the open source driver.	Dec 27 15:41
DaemonFC	I don't know what hardware that works with, or to what extent, but the 3d/OpenGL support is very good.	Dec 27 15:42
Sosumi	that's nice, I'll have to check Gallium Compute then	Dec 27 15:42
DaemonFC	It's a Catalyst replacement on my Radeon HD 5670, and from the Phoronix benchmarks, the support is very good to excellent up through the 7000 series.	Dec 27 15:42
DaemonFC	If you're going to go with an IGP, then definitely get an all-AMD system.	Dec 27 15:43
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DaemonFC	Intel doesn't support Gallium3d.	Dec 27 15:43
DaemonFC	They're basically the only user of Classic Mesa that's left.	Dec 27 15:43
DaemonFC	And they might maintain it well enough for Intel hardware, but Gallium3d is just better in every case that I've seen both a classic and a gallium driver in action on the same hardware.	Dec 27 15:44
DaemonFC	When Fedora switched me from Classic to Gallium, my card got faster, there were fewer rendering glitches, and the performance immediately improved.	Dec 27 15:44
DaemonFC	So, I think that Intel hardware could be faster if they'd switch to Gallium.	Dec 27 15:45
DaemonFC	There's a much larger difference in performance between Intel's Windows driver and their open source Linux driver, and I believe that's why.	Dec 27 15:45
DaemonFC	There's bottlenecks in their Linux stack and they're not showing any interest in getting rid of those because they don't want to do the porting work.	Dec 27 15:46
DaemonFC	The performance on Linux isn't bad, but I think that holding out on Classic Mesa is bringing their 3d performance down 15-20%.	Dec 27 15:46
DaemonFC	So, that's not good.	Dec 27 15:46
DaemonFC	AMD went ahead and just rewrote the driver, which probably set them back several months, but with better results in the end.	Dec 27 15:47
DaemonFC	Every Radeon that's newer than like 2003 is using DRI2, kernel mode setting, and Gallium3d now.	Dec 27 15:48
DaemonFC	The older hardware still works, but eventually it will end up being unsupported because it's just too much work to maintain and there's not enough of it left to be properly tested.	Dec 27 15:48
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 15:48
DaemonFC	The hardware that's older than ~2001 is in the process of being dropped from Fedora.	Dec 27 15:49
DaemonFC	That's not really as big of a deal as it sounds. Very little of it is actually still in use, and people that still rely on it can make a pretty easy transition from Fedora to one of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux clones based on RHEL 7, and then they can just keep using it for another 10 years or until the machine fails.	Dec 27 15:50
DaemonFC	So, 23 years of hardware support for consumer PC hardware is pretty fantastic. You never get anything like that on Windows.	Dec 27 15:51
DaemonFC	On Windows, there's a lot of XP-era hardware where nobody was even able to install Vista, and they bought the computer in 2005, and Vista was out in 2006.	Dec 27 15:51
DaemonFC	I got into that situation twice. The first time was when I had a 3dfx Voodoo card that I was using on Windows 98, and there was never an official Windows XP driver for it, so that machine was stuck on Windows Me. Then there was a laptop I bought in 2005 that didn't have a Vista driver for the radeon chipset in 2006!	Dec 27 15:53
DaemonFC	So, I just switched that machine over to GNU/Linux and it kept working until I sold the laptop on Craigslist last year. Those old ATI IGPs were never really all that fun to have to....use. Their newer ones are much better.	Dec 27 15:53
Sosumi	all I have at moment is a custom built pc tower with 4 gtx titans	Dec 27 16:03
Sosumi	that I built as test bed for gnu/linux	Dec 27 16:04
DaemonFC	From a post on my Facebook wall:	Dec 27 16:05
DaemonFC	But, would we really want a GNU/Linux port of iTunes? It's already the worst program available for Windows. I've had people bring in their Windows computers that stopped working because iTunes was installed. It's happened on at least three occasions. Upgrading to Windows XP Service Pack 3 with iTunes installed caused Windows to fail to boot. Upgrading to Windows Vista Service Pack 1 did the same thing. Then the same thing happened to some	Dec 27 16:05
DaemonFC	users when they upgraded from Windows Vista to Windows 7. iTunes for Windows uses several hundred megabytes of RAM, does not respect the Windows Human Interface Guidelines, installs unrelated software that the user didn't ask for, installs insecure system level services that are frequently used by malware to help themselves circumvent process integrity tokens, and are using many Apple libraries that are inefficient, slow, and poorly ported.	Dec 27 16:05
DaemonFC	Then when you get it, you have this behemoth that inflicts Digital Restrictions Malware on your movies, videos, and books, and prevents you from sharing copies to help your friends.	Dec 27 16:05
DaemonFC	Friends don't let friends buy Apple! (Well, they can buy whatever they want. It's their money. But, they should have some idea of what they're getting into....)	Dec 27 16:05
DaemonFC	*it is using	Dec 27 16:06
DaemonFC	rather	Dec 27 16:06
Sosumi	why would anyone want to use itunes? to get bombarded with adds for booincee? dustin beever? or milley virus?	Dec 27 16:06
Sosumi	or the other kyloton of garbage that composes the top page of itunes	Dec 27 16:07
Sosumi	for winblows users eac+foobar is ok	Dec 27 16:08
Sosumi	or the monkey player	Dec 27 16:08
MinceR	to put files on their hypePhone	Dec 27 16:09
Sosumi	for gnu/linux, amarok and cd extraction with the kde burner is also fine	Dec 27 16:09
MinceR	which they bought so they could be a member of the cult	Dec 27 16:09
Sosumi	hypePhone is kind of garbage	Dec 27 16:09
Sosumi	only 1GB of ram on the latest model	Dec 27 16:09
Sosumi	the cheaper priced note 3 has 3GB	Dec 27 16:10
Sosumi	and I don't need to fake apple certificates in order to install my own stuff on the phone	Dec 27 16:10
Sosumi	through itunes without jailbraking	Dec 27 16:11
Sosumi	and I don't think that's possible anymore	Dec 27 16:11
Sosumi	but at least was during the iphone 3g days	Dec 27 16:11
Sosumi	*possible	Dec 27 16:11
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IKE2lCoNqY	Dec 27 16:11
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Miley Cyrus - Wrecking Ball PARODY - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g2ry9 ]	Dec 27 16:11
DaemonFC	B-)	Dec 27 16:12
Sosumi	lol	Dec 27 16:13
DaemonFC	I've been using GNOME Web more lately.	Dec 27 16:14
DaemonFC	I noticed that it can play WebM and h264, so I don't need Flash.	Dec 27 16:14
DaemonFC	Some sites seem to treat it as a mobile browser though... Not sure why that happens.	Dec 27 16:14
Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNb_SSE-jVc	Dec 27 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Dio - Sacred Heart - HD Live - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g9rom ]	Dec 27 16:15
Sosumi	I wish they still made music like that	Dec 27 16:15
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4OwxI8QVTU	Dec 27 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Lady Gaga - Applause (Official) PARODY - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g9rop ]	Dec 27 16:15
MinceR	maybe its UserAgent string looks mobile-ish	Dec 27 16:15
Sosumi	no idea	Dec 27 16:16
DaemonFC	Well, most of Youtube and some porn sites use HTML 5 now.	Dec 27 16:16
DaemonFC	Flash is clearly on the way out. That's good.	Dec 27 16:16
Sosumi	lol, I wander how you know that, porn sites, lol	Dec 27 16:17
DaemonFC	Because I'm a guy.	Dec 27 16:19
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 16:19
DaemonFC	Gadgets, video games, and porn.	Dec 27 16:20
DaemonFC	You get an Android phone and start trying to make it play video games and porn.	Dec 27 16:20
DaemonFC	It's just natural.	Dec 27 16:20
DaemonFC	The first thing that I ended up having an argument with Tim about was the "You don't flush condoms!" argument.	Dec 27 16:21
DaemonFC	I've never actually had them plug up the toilet (some people have I've heard), but my mom was over one day and flushed the toilet, and one surfaced. That was probably 5-6 years ago.	Dec 27 16:21
DaemonFC	So, today's PSA is don't flush condoms.	Dec 27 16:22
DaemonFC	That's really what they need to be researching. Flushable condoms.	Dec 27 16:22
DaemonFC	Maybe Bill Gates can give them some money to do that.	Dec 27 16:23
DaemonFC	Sosumi, A funny thing happened in Texas today.	Dec 27 16:29
DaemonFC	The state government passed harsh laws because of the "knockout game", which black teenagers are supposedly playing with white people as the victims.	Dec 27 16:30
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DaemonFC	So, it passed due to racist hysteria, and then the first person actually arrested and charged under the new law is a white teenager that assaulted a 79 year old black man.	Dec 27 16:31
DaemonFC	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/26/1265483/-Racial-Narrative-Of-Knockout-Game-Blown-As-White-Guy-Clobbers-Elderly-Black-Man?detail=facebook	Dec 27 16:31
TechrightsBot-tr	www.dailykos.com \| Daily Kos: Racial Narrative Of Knockout Game Blown As White Guy Clobbers Elderly Black Man [ http://ur1.ca/g9rve ]	Dec 27 16:31
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Sosumi	lol	Dec 27 16:33
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Sosumi	I'm not really into pron, I'd prefer the real thing way more, but nvm on that	Dec 27 16:34
Sosumi	I'll be wearing my wizard cloak in 6 years	Dec 27 16:34
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Sosumi	as for the knockout game,	Dec 27 16:35
Sosumi	it's dumb and ppl can actually get killed	Dec 27 16:35
DaemonFC	The problem with porn is that it sets your expectations too high.	Dec 27 16:35
DaemonFC	And then your significant other finds your stash and yells at you and asks why they aren't good enough.	Dec 27 16:36
Sosumi	broken necks, falling on the street and getting run over by a passing car/bus	Dec 27 16:36
DaemonFC	Then you counter with "But you're not always here!" and then they say "So now I'm not spending enough time with you!?"	Dec 27 16:36
DaemonFC	So, it rapidly deteriorates from there and there's no way to win that argument.	Dec 27 16:36
Sosumi	my secret stash is filled of math and computer pron	Dec 27 16:37
Sosumi	and anime....	Dec 27 16:37
Sosumi	featuring giant mechas	Dec 27 16:37
Sosumi	so I guess I'm always safe	Dec 27 16:37
DaemonFC	And then later, you really do want to have sex and they pick up where they left off.	Dec 27 16:38
DaemonFC	"Oh, I'm not one of those models on those porn sites, so just go in there and flip the computer on, you animal!"	Dec 27 16:38
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 16:38
Sosumi	lol	Dec 27 16:39
DaemonFC	So, yeah, porn came back to bite me last weekend.	Dec 27 16:39
Sosumi	I guess that in no time you'll be able to 3d print living tissue	Dec 27 16:40
Sosumi	and you'll be able to make your dream girl when that happens	Dec 27 16:40
Sosumi	but tell, how did pron came back to bite you	Dec 27 16:41
Sosumi	or don't tell :P	Dec 27 17:00
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-27/france-wants-tax-youtube-and-facebook-videos	Dec 27 17:00
TechrightsBot-tr	www.zerohedge.com \| France Wants To Tax YouTube And Facebook Videos \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g9rzn ]	Dec 27 17:00
Sosumi	or they'll surrender	Dec 27 17:00
Sosumi	http://rt.com/news/underreported-news-stories-2013-836/	Dec 27 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g9s0f ]	Dec 27 17:05
Sosumi	Swartz, Fracking, Manning, GMO: 13 most underreported news stories of 2013	Dec 27 17:05
Sosumi	nor real news about gene patenting	Dec 27 17:06
Sosumi	Swartz didn't even make it to portuguese news	Dec 27 17:06
Sosumi	and since I'm in an EU country	Dec 27 17:07
Sosumi	what else didn't make it to the news	Dec 27 17:07
Sosumi	outside of a small 5 secs tidbit	Dec 27 17:07
Sosumi	the banking and fiscal union!	Dec 27 17:07
Sosumi	what else didn't make it to the news? the eurocorps	Dec 27 17:08
Sosumi	but hey as long as there is Mourinho, Ronaldo and whatever, no one cares	Dec 27 17:08
Sosumi	teardowns of the buttplug pro have shown up	Dec 27 17:17
Sosumi	and a major flaw has been detected, at least by me,	Dec 27 17:17
Sosumi	voltage regulators on the gpu cards aren't cooled	Dec 27 17:18
Sosumi	and that never happens with high end cards	Dec 27 17:18
Sosumi	they're just standing there with no contact with the central heathsink nor have a small heathsink on top	Dec 27 17:19
Sosumi	and those things do get hot	Dec 27 17:19
Sosumi	and cram is way too near the gpu	Dec 27 17:20
Sosumi	*vram	Dec 27 17:20
Sosumi	I pretty much doubt the reliability of the system in the long term	Dec 27 17:20
Sosumi	http://blog.macsales.com/22108-new-mac-pro-2013-teardown	Dec 27 17:20
TechrightsBot-tr	blog.macsales.com \| New Mac Pro 2013 Teardown \| Other World Computing Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g9s2c ]	Dec 27 17:20
Sosumi	and I pretty much doubt about voltage stability into that thing	Dec 27 17:21
MinceR	that's ok, those aren't high end cards :>	Dec 27 17:22
Sosumi	simply because even single slot boards have more capacitors that, including passively cooled ones than that	Dec 27 17:22
Sosumi	no	Dec 27 17:23
Sosumi	I'm starting to think they are underclocked 7850	Dec 27 17:23
Sosumi	since in single gpu bench it can't even beat a gtx680	Dec 27 17:24
Sosumi	crapple is selling you planned obsolescence with that thing	Dec 27 17:25
MinceR	the underclocking and the crApple retardation are what makes them non-high-end :>	Dec 27 17:26
Sosumi	yet, they're charging as it it was high end	Dec 27 17:27
DaemonFC	The last big problem for the open source radeon driver is power management.	Dec 27 17:27
DaemonFC	Proper power management support exists in Linux 3.12, but it's not stable on every card, so it's not on by default.	Dec 27 17:27
DaemonFC	I've forced it on with my card (Radeon HD 5670), and it hasn't caused problems.	Dec 27 17:27
MinceR	well yes, the price was always "high end" :>	Dec 27 17:27
Sosumi	the problem is that now they actually went full retardom with the pricing	Dec 27 17:28
MinceR	they create demand with high prices	Dec 27 17:29
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Sosumi	the mac pros were also nice	Dec 27 17:33
Sosumi	and decently priced	Dec 27 17:33
Sosumi	specially if you equated the student discount	Dec 27 17:33
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxNTk	Dec 27 17:35
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] 13 Reasons Linux 3.13 Is Going To Be Very Exciting [ http://ur1.ca/g9s48 ]	Dec 27 17:35
DaemonFC	The dynamic power management support in Radeon will be on by default in Linux 3.13.	Dec 27 17:36
DaemonFC	People using Radeon HD 7000 series or higher should switch to a Linux 3.13 pre-release immediately.	Dec 27 17:37
DaemonFC	You can't switch to the higher clock speeds without DPM on those cards, apparently.	Dec 27 17:37
DaemonFC	The older kernels would just put the card in High Performance mode all the time.	Dec 27 17:37
DaemonFC	Noisy, but fast. :P	Dec 27 17:37
DaemonFC	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RawhideKernelNodebug	Dec 27 17:38
TechrightsBot-tr	fedoraproject.org \| RawhideKernelNodebug - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/g9s4f ]	Dec 27 17:38
Sosumi	well that's nice	Dec 27 17:39
Sosumi	and it seems iptables are going away	Dec 27 17:39
DaemonFC	hmmm	Dec 27 17:39
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_goods	Dec 27 17:39
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| Veblen good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g9s4l ]	Dec 27 17:39
DaemonFC	The rawhide kernel is still 3.12.5 right now.	Dec 27 17:39
DaemonFC	I guess I could just install the one from Koji for now.	Dec 27 17:42
DaemonFC	The current build has debugging turned off at the moment anyway. :P	Dec 27 17:42
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DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_39_313&num=1	Dec 27 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Linux 3.9 Through Early Linux 3.13 Kernel Benchmarks [ http://ur1.ca/g9s6i ]	Dec 27 17:51
DaemonFC	Basically, if you're not running Linux 3.12 yet, get it. :)	Dec 27 17:51
MinceR	unless you want to find out if there are any issues :>	Dec 27 17:54
MinceR	i mean, before upgrading	Dec 27 17:54
DaemonFC	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/04/1250949/-Who-Was-the-Last-President-to-Outpoll-Non-Voters	Dec 27 17:55
TechrightsBot-tr	www.dailykos.com \| Daily Kos: Who Was the Last President to Outpoll Non-Voters? [ http://ur1.ca/g9s76 ]	Dec 27 17:56
DaemonFC	"In the last election, voter turnout was only 53.6%. That means that, of the voting age population (VAP), 46.4% did not vote, 27.4% voted for Obama, and 25.3% voted for Romney. That's right. All of that media coverage and money, and Obama didn't even get the votes of 30% of the voting age population (or, if you check, the voting eligible population)."	Dec 27 17:56
DaemonFC	It reminds me of that Saturday Night Live skit in 1997 with the Bill Clinton impersonator thanking the 20-some percent of Americans that voted for him.	Dec 27 17:56
MinceR	i guess humans in general are just too stupid for democracy	Dec 27 17:57
MinceR	and all the other systems we've tried are even worse	Dec 27 17:57
DaemonFC	He started out by saying that he thanked the majority of Americans who voted for him, then he worked his way back to the percentage of registered voters, then the people who actually voted, and came up with something like 23%.	Dec 27 17:57
DaemonFC	Then he worked back from there and threw in all of the people under 18 that can't vote, and thanked the (I'm just going to say) 14% that voted for him.	Dec 27 17:58
DaemonFC	and that he appreciated their show of confidence :)	Dec 27 17:58
DaemonFC	Most people don't vote.	Dec 27 17:59
DaemonFC	In a way, I guess they're voting. By not showing up, they're saying that they don't care what happens, and then when whatever happens happens.	Dec 27 18:00
DaemonFC	The Carlin approach.	Dec 27 18:00
DaemonFC	*and then whatever happens happens.	Dec 27 18:00
MinceR	and then something bad happens and it turns out they had an idea for something better	Dec 27 18:00
DaemonFC	For the most part, I see my vote as, at most, nudging the election towards the less unfavorable outcome.	Dec 27 18:01
DaemonFC	It's going to be bad either way.	Dec 27 18:01
MinceR	hungary is an exception though, the majority seems to enjoy being oppressed in a fundie nazi dictatorship	Dec 27 18:01
DaemonFC	Hungary seems to have more extreme political parties than we do.	Dec 27 18:01
MinceR	yes, we have the extreme communazi parties, the extreme stupid party and the parties nobody cares about	Dec 27 18:02
MinceR	to be fair, nobody cares about the extreme stupid party either	Dec 27 18:02
DaemonFC	The Democrats are bad, the Republicans are worse, and the Tea Party Republicans are insane.	Dec 27 18:03
DaemonFC	So, I vote for Democrats.	Dec 27 18:03
MinceR	i'll vote for the biggest alliance that aims to restore democracy	Dec 27 18:03
MinceR	but it will fail anyway	Dec 27 18:03
DaemonFC	The Tea Party has pretty much gone as far as they could possibly go, and now they're starting to lose seats.	Dec 27 18:04
DaemonFC	The Democrats are at least moderate Keynesians.	Dec 27 18:04
DaemonFC	They don't go far enough. They'll never pass a stimulus program that's big enough, and they'll never propose a full employment plan.	Dec 27 18:05
DaemonFC	The Republicans are split. The "business Republicans" want to slash the safety net, and gorge the military contractors and big business with government handouts.	Dec 27 18:06
DaemonFC	and the Tea Party wants to get rid of the government completely	Dec 27 18:06
DaemonFC	Some businesses like that approach.	Dec 27 18:06
DaemonFC	No regulations. No environmental or labor standards, etc.	Dec 27 18:06
DaemonFC	So really, it's a civil war between businesses that want government handouts, and businesses that want the government to go away and stop bothering them while they dump toxic waste anywhere they please.	Dec 27 18:07
DaemonFC	The Tea Party would turn the United States into Mexico North.	Dec 27 18:07
DaemonFC	We're getting there, but not fast enough for them. :)	Dec 27 18:08
DaemonFC	In Mexico, I'd be considered "the middle class".	Dec 27 18:08
DaemonFC	Pretty soon I'll be "the middle class" here.	Dec 27 18:08
DaemonFC	That's not a good thing. Instead of moving upward into the old American-style middle class, it means that our middle class is being beaten into the ground and eventually will be as broke as I am now.	Dec 27 18:09
DaemonFC	That's exactly what NAFTA was designed to do.	Dec 27 18:10
DaemonFC	The Mexican government has basically said that they have no plans to fix the income inequality that is going on there.	Dec 27 18:10
DaemonFC	They have a hell of a lot of poor people, and a few that are extremely rich.	Dec 27 18:11
DaemonFC	That's what the United States is moving towards.	Dec 27 18:11
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DaemonFC	For many people, it's here now.	Dec 27 18:11
DaemonFC	The United States has gotten so bad, that it's at the point where it's too expensive to send jobs overseas, and companies like Apple are starting to bring them back here.	Dec 27 18:12
DaemonFC	Because they can pay their workers the equivalent of $6.50 (in 2002 dollars) to assemble Mac PCs.	Dec 27 18:12
DaemonFC	I guess it ends when we're at the point where China is outsourcing jobs to the United States and is paying us to accept their toxic waste.	Dec 27 18:13
Sosumi	it's the return of the plantation economy	Dec 27 18:13
DaemonFC	The right-wing economic endgame has always been to destroy labor and give rise to finance. It's been going on since the Reagan 80s, and we're getting very near to the ultimate goal.	Dec 27 18:19
DaemonFC	Banks in the United States are now borrowing money from the Federal Reserve at next to nothing. It's like 0.75%. Then they turn around and lend that money to people at 20-40% compound APR on credit cards, 4-20% for auto loans. It's really hard to get a mortgage right now because banks don't like to have that long term risk. They make a lot of money in the end, if they can convince someone else to buy the risk, but since the housing meltdown	Dec 27 18:22
DaemonFC	happened, that's no longer really much of an option, so there are 22 empty homes for every homeless person in America, and the banks are just sitting on them until they're fit to be torn down, then they let the taxpayers pay to tear them down. It keeps housing prices high, and increases their profits from the people they do approve for mortgages.	Dec 27 18:22
DaemonFC	All of the money that Congress approved for President Obama to spend on keeping people who were victimized by banks in their houses is just sitting there, untouched. He's one of their guys. Basically, he's a Republican that sometimes talks like a Democrat.	Dec 27 18:24
DaemonFC	That's what's really pissing people off, but I don't think they understand that he's not a liberal or a progressive.	Dec 27 18:25
Sosumi	same thing here	Dec 27 18:37
Sosumi	banks bad debt got transfered to the government and it's now sovereign debt, which prompted the bailout	Dec 27 18:38
Sosumi	meanwhile, the other banks are getting money from the ECB at record lows, but instead of actually lending that money, they just sit on it	Dec 27 18:39
Sosumi	and use it to gamble in the derivatives market	Dec 27 18:39
Sosumi	meanwhile, there's no job recovery, small/medium businesses are closing or relocating	Dec 27 18:40
Sosumi	and the entire thing is being paid by a massive taxed burden	Dec 27 18:41
Sosumi	*tax	Dec 27 18:41
Sosumi	and if you're a retiree, you may as well just drop dead	Dec 27 18:41
Sosumi	because the gov after confiscating secondary pensions is already announcing more pension cuts for next year	Dec 27 18:42
Sosumi	not mentioning that they, the retirees, actually discounted during their years on the workforce to actually receive that pension	Dec 27 18:44
Sosumi	because in the way pensions are being put	Dec 27 18:45
Sosumi	both gov and media make them seem like if they are some special favor that social security is doing	Dec 27 18:46
DaemonFC	Social Security in the United States would be easy to fix.	Dec 27 18:48
DaemonFC	They don't want to fix it.	Dec 27 18:48
DaemonFC	It's easier to let it go to hell, then tear it down because it's "broken".	Dec 27 18:48
DaemonFC	It's what the wealthy elite want to do anyway.	Dec 27 18:49
DaemonFC	GNOME Web is now using Webkit2	Dec 27 18:58
DaemonFC	nice	Dec 27 18:58
MinceR	https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1482787_473200592789269_1902900877_n.jpg	Dec 27 19:01
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Sosumi	I've warned countless of times that the pretest here is to deem social security unsustainable and then privatize it	Dec 27 19:27
Sosumi	just like they did with some public hospitals	Dec 27 19:27
Sosumi	but guess what happened after that	Dec 27 19:28
Sosumi	some ended up in need of a bail out	Dec 27 19:28
Sosumi	while others are being restructured	Dec 27 19:28
Sosumi	but here's the bigger catch	Dec 27 19:29
Sosumi	the direction of those hospitals was kept just like it was	Dec 27 19:29
Sosumi	and incompetence, as usual, was rewarded	Dec 27 19:30
DaemonFC	I liked Sprint on Facebook. I don't normally like companies on Facebook, but they've been pretty decent.	Dec 27 19:32
*DaemonFC doesn't miss AT&T at all.		Dec 27 19:32
DaemonFC	I haven't found an area where I don't get at least voice calls and texts. My mom had to borrow my phone twice the other day because we were in AT&T's dead zones. :)	Dec 27 19:33
DaemonFC	They do shut off your data when you're using a Verizon tower though. :P	Dec 27 19:33
Sosumi	well that's nice	Dec 27 19:34
Sosumi	but facebook.......... you know that I kind of hate that company and even more its CEO	Dec 27 19:36
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Sosumi	he's probably one of those guys I'd love to punch all day long	Dec 27 19:36
DaemonFC	http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/opinion/krugman-the-fear-economy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0	Dec 27 19:45
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DaemonFC	http://business.time.com/2013/12/26/mcdonalds-employee-website-yanked-after-ridicule/?iid=biz-article-mostpop1	Dec 27 22:05
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schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2013/12/28/facebbook-useless/	Dec 28 04:33
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iophk	Netcraft says the site was running M$ IIS, yet the article implies that IBM is to blame...	Dec 28 05:26
iophk	http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/retail/myer-website-down-until-further-notice-20131227-2zz91.html	Dec 28 05:26
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3457140	Dec 28 05:42
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schestowitz	iophk: IBM installs Windows also	Dec 28 05:42
schestowitz	"	Dec 28 05:43
schestowitz	He said teams from IBM and Myer's information technology division were "working furiously" to fix the problem.	Dec 28 05:43
schestowitz	Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/myer-website-down-until-further-notice-20131227-2zz91.html#ixzz2olVbiwGQ	Dec 28 05:43
TechrightsBot-tr	www.smh.com.au \| Myer website down 'until further notice' [ http://ur1.ca/g9uzn ]	Dec 28 05:43
schestowitz	"	Dec 28 05:43
schestowitz	Does tjay blame IMB?	Dec 28 05:43
schestowitz	That's the only sentence about IBM	Dec 28 05:43
schestowitz	And maybe IBM is migrating the site to system z is something	Dec 28 05:43
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iophk	(12:43:56 PM) schestowitz: And maybe IBM is migrating the site to system z is something	Dec 28 09:09
iophk	one can hope that they are leaving IIS	Dec 28 09:09
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3457662	Dec 28 09:21
TechrightsBot-tr	www.joindiaspora.com \| # Sorry, but it is/was a <a data-hovercard='/people/da68a1f811b0f71e' href="/u/schestowitz" class='mention hovercardable' >Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)</a> Day .... [ http://ur1.ca/g9w4s ]	Dec 28 09:21
schestowitz	> I dug it out of the spam catcher. there were more than 1700 spams there!	Dec 28 09:24
schestowitz	> wordpress does a decent job making it practical to have a comments	Dec 28 09:24
schestowitz	> function, and it only seems to get overzealous occasionally. sorry	Dec 28 09:24
schestowitz	> about that!	Dec 28 09:24
schestowitz	>	Dec 28 09:24
schestowitz	I have had the same problem, esp. in the past month. In fact, it brought apache to its knees (too much comment spam).	Dec 28 09:25
schestowitz	Re: http://linuxgizmos.com/linuxdevices-content-online-again/	Dec 28 09:25
TechrightsBot-tr	linuxgizmos.com \| LinuxDevices content returns to the Web · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/g8zxz ]	Dec 28 09:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3456540\	Dec 28 09:28
TechrightsBot-tr	@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu Is Storing Wi-Fi Passwords in Clear Text by Default http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Is-Storing-Wi-Fi-Passwords-in-Clear-Text-By-Default-412056.shtml too bad they can't hey basics right.	Dec 28 09:28
TechrightsBot-tr	-> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Is Storing Wi-Fi Passwords in Clear Text by Default [ http://ur1.ca/g9uwa ]	Dec 28 09:28
schestowitz	"Not just Ubuntu: All GNU Linux Distributions Store Wi-Fi Passwords in Plain Text If You Don’t Use Encryption http://news.softpedia.com/news/All-Linux-Distributions-Store-Wi-Fi-Passwords-in-Plain-Text-If-You-Don-t-Use-Encryption-412387.shtml "	Dec 28 09:28
TechrightsBot-tr	news.softpedia.com \| All Linux Distributions Store Wi-Fi Passwords in Plain Text If You Don’t Use Encryption [ http://ur1.ca/g9w5v ]	Dec 28 09:28
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schestowitz	> it's such a shame!	Dec 28 09:34
schestowitz	>	Dec 28 09:35
schestowitz	> well, I tagged your comment as not spam, but now I don't see it showing	Dec 28 09:35
schestowitz	> up. could you please resubmit it?	Dec 28 09:35
schestowitz	WordPress has a funny interface. After marking as "not spam" I think one still has to go to moderation queue to mark as "approved".	Dec 28 09:35
schestowitz	> found it! it went to pending status; now activated! good wordpress...	Dec 28 09:40
schestowitz	> have a bikkie!	Dec 28 09:40
schestowitz	I have just checked one of my spam queues too. I think I spent days of my life in total dealing with all this Microsoft Windows spewage... usually in vain.	Dec 28 09:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3457750	Dec 28 09:41
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Web stats firms show #facebook declining and others suggest it'll go the way of #myspace http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/27/facebook-dead-and-buried-to-teens-research-finds?CMP=twt_gu http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10539274/Young-users-see-Facebook-as-dead-and-buried.html	Dec 28 09:41
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.theguardian.com \| Facebook 'dead and buried to teens', research finds \| Technology \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/g9w7s ]	Dec 28 09:41
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.telegraph.co.uk \| Young users see Facebook as 'dead and buried' - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/g9w7t ]	Dec 28 09:41
schestowitz	'80% said they "were not concerned or did not care" if their personal data was available and accessed, either by an organisation or an individual"	Dec 28 09:41
schestowitz	NSA and corporate media: mission accomplished. They trust us!	Dec 28 09:42
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4kfRGuapY	Dec 28 09:43
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| 팩트TV Live 2013.12.28 (FactTV Korea Live) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g9w84 ]	Dec 28 09:43
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schestowitz	> wordpress actually manages spam quite effectively. it's rare to find a	Dec 28 10:07
schestowitz	> false positive. so I just let it do its thing. usually it opts for	Dec 28 10:07
schestowitz	> putting marginal comments in the moderation queue	Dec 28 10:07
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iophk	old - http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11	Dec 28 11:49
iophk	"That group always seemed to be profitable, but Sherlund says it's largely because of the Android money."	Dec 28 11:49
TechrightsBot-tr	www.businessinsider.com \| Microsoft Earns $2 Billion Per Year From Android Patent Royalties - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/g038h ]	Dec 28 11:49
iophk	with the new re-org, M$ can be hiding a lot of losses using the revenue from Android.	Dec 28 11:49
schestowitz	If there's any at all	Dec 28 12:30
schestowitz	I doubt it	Dec 28 12:30
schestowitz	Sherlund is not credible there	Dec 28 12:30
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/fud-campaign-analysts/	Dec 28 12:31
TechrightsBot-tr	techrights.org \| Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05hk ]	Dec 28 12:31
schestowitz	"The Apple I. It was in a nice wooden box."	Dec 28 12:43
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3455381	Dec 28 12:43
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #apple cannot complete, it is trying to ban #linux devices using lies and hype, as well as #patent #protectionism http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/apple-makes-new-bid-for-samsung-sales-ban-20131227-2zzcx.html	Dec 28 12:43
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.smh.com.au \| Apple makes new bid for Samsung sales ban [ http://ur1.ca/g9uw7 ]	Dec 28 12:43
MinceR	it was in whatever the one who built it from the kit put it in, wasn't it? :>	Dec 28 12:45
schestowitz	iophk: am going to migrate TuxMachines	Dec 28 12:58
schestowitz	Could use help with DB	Dec 28 12:58
iophk	ok	Dec 28 13:01
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DaemonFC	http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/12/28/mark-whittington-china-space/4209223/	Dec 28 16:13
TechrightsBot-tr	www.usatoday.com \| U.S. can still beat China back to moon: Column [ http://ur1.ca/g9xtx ]	Dec 28 16:13
DaemonFC	2 minutes ago · Edited	Dec 28 16:13
DaemonFC	Going back to the moon seems like a wasteful expense and a frivolous use of money. NASA already spent a lot of money on a vanity project to beat the Soviet Union to the moon. (The politicians were more concerned with projecting the United States' image as a superpower than scientific exploration. Ironically, George W. Bush threw away our position as a superpower in less than eight years by spending $10 trillion on war and tax cuts for the ri	Dec 28 16:13
DaemonFC	ch.)	Dec 28 16:13
DaemonFC	The only conceivable reason to return to the moon is because right-wing politicians have eviscerated NASA's budget (Now down to about 0.38% of federal spending) for so long that we not only no longer have a crewed space program, but most of the people who worked on the Apollo and Space Shuttle programs have retired or died. So, we have to backtrack and figure out how to do this again, as a prerequisite to a crewed mission to Mars.	Dec 28 16:13
DaemonFC	I've seen several realistic proposals for how we could colonize Mars.	Dec 28 16:13
DaemonFC	We might need to do that if we don't get our act together before Earth is a dead planet*, so the expense is justifiable.	Dec 28 16:13
DaemonFC	*Probably less than 100 years unless we switch to sustainable development and population growth in time.	Dec 28 16:14
Sosumi	so, how are you guys spending your last day of the year?	Dec 28 16:24
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MinceR	resting, eating, drinking, reading	Dec 28 16:26
Sosumi	no partying?	Dec 28 16:26
MinceR	listening to music, looking up stuff for a project	Dec 28 16:27
MinceR	it's a pretty good party, i'd say :>	Dec 28 16:27
Sosumi	:)	Dec 28 16:28
DaemonFC	I'll probably go to Bandidos and pig out, and have a couple of margaritas.	Dec 28 16:28
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 16:28
Sosumi	apparently everyone forgot about me, so I'll just be preparing for the finals and finishing the last project of the semester	Dec 28 16:32
Sosumi	but I guess I'll forget about them next year	Dec 28 16:33
DaemonFC	shared a link via Jezebel.	Dec 28 16:35
DaemonFC	8 seconds ago	Dec 28 16:35
DaemonFC	http://trib.al/Guv2yoX	Dec 28 16:35
TechrightsBot-tr	jezebel.com \| Teens Loathe Facebook Because of All the Old People and Baby Pics	Dec 28 16:35
DaemonFC	Having a baby is not an accomplishment, nor is it particularly difficult. Even some fish can do it. I don't like reading the birth announcements in newspapers, because they aren't interesting, and they fuel natalist pressure which leads to the destruction of the environment. I find the obituaries to be much more interesting to read.	Dec 28 16:35
DaemonFC	(paraphrasing Richard Stallman)	Dec 28 16:35
Sosumi	ppl creating facebook picts for children or pets	Dec 28 16:36
MinceR	he's right.	Dec 28 16:36
Sosumi	kind of resemble that movie "Final Cut"	Dec 28 16:36
Sosumi	in which you'd get a brain implant at birth that'd record your entire life	Dec 28 16:37
Sosumi	so that when you died, a "cutter", would make a movie about your life to show at the funeral	Dec 28 16:38
Sosumi	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364343/	Dec 28 16:38
TechrightsBot-tr	www.imdb.com \| The Final Cut (2004) - IMDb	Dec 28 16:38
DaemonFC	shared a link via Daily Kos.	Dec 28 16:38
DaemonFC	19 minutes ago ·	Dec 28 16:38
DaemonFC	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/23/1264955/-This-graph-shows-why-solar-power-will-take-over-the-world?detail=facebook	Dec 28 16:38
TechrightsBot-tr	www.dailykos.com \| Daily Kos: This graph shows why solar power will take over the world [ http://ur1.ca/g9xwk ]	Dec 28 16:38
DaemonFC	The right-wing bribery organization known as ALEC is already telling the Republicans to pass laws that fine people for installing solar panels on their own rooftops.	Dec 28 16:38
DaemonFC	So much for freedom and liberty, huh?	Dec 28 16:38
DaemonFC	If I owned my own home, I'd be calling Solar City and having them install panels on my roof.	Dec 28 16:38
DaemonFC	You know...	Dec 28 16:39
Sosumi	lawl, you know....	Dec 28 16:39
DaemonFC	Rand Paul went on a 20 minute speech about the government requiring water-efficient toilets.	Dec 28 16:39
Sosumi	if solar panels do indeed take hold	Dec 28 16:39
DaemonFC	He said that people should be able to choose what kind of toilet goes into their bathroom.	Dec 28 16:39
MinceR	well, it's their idol Ronnie Raygun who removed the solar panels from the White House	Dec 28 16:39
MinceR	so no surprise there	Dec 28 16:40
DaemonFC	Now he's saying that he wants to stop people and private businesses from installing solar panels and wind turbines	Dec 28 16:40
Sosumi	they'll start taxing you for every watt of electricity you produce for your own use	Dec 28 16:40
DaemonFC	:/	Dec 28 16:40
Sosumi	just like they do in spain	Dec 28 16:40
MinceR	it's sad that about half of usians still take the republicans seriously	Dec 28 16:40
Sosumi	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24272061	Dec 28 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr	www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - Spain’s sunshine toll: Row over proposed solar tax [ http://ur1.ca/g9xx0 ]	Dec 28 16:40
Sosumi	http://www.aljazeera.com/video/europe/2013/10/spain-approves-tax-solar-panels-20131088950355608.html	Dec 28 16:41
TechrightsBot-tr	www.aljazeera.com \| Spain approves tax on solar panels - Europe - Al Jazeera English [ http://ur1.ca/g9xx7 ]	Dec 28 16:41
Sosumi	in Spain, they tax the "daylights" out of you	Dec 28 16:41
DaemonFC	Does anyone know if Windows Phone lets you install Firefox?	Dec 28 16:42
DaemonFC	I know iPhones don't allow that.	Dec 28 16:42
Sosumi	no idea	Dec 28 16:42
DaemonFC	I'm just curious. Facebook is posting Windows phone ads.	Dec 28 16:42
Sosumi	I've never seen a windows phone around	Dec 28 16:43
DaemonFC	If a phone doesn't allow Firefox, then I don't want the phone. Period. End of discussion. :)	Dec 28 16:43
MinceR	it's not a real firefox	Dec 28 16:43
MinceR	it uses the ie "engine" on winblows phony	Dec 28 16:43
DaemonFC	Seriously? Ewww.	Dec 28 16:43
MinceR	just like on hypeOS	Dec 28 16:43
Sosumi	facepalm	Dec 28 16:43
DaemonFC	No, Apple booted out Firefox Home, which wasn't even a browser.	Dec 28 16:43
MinceR	ic	Dec 28 16:43
DaemonFC	Mozilla said they won't make an iOS version until Apple allow them to use Gecko.	Dec 28 16:44
MinceR	m$ is really desperate to force that shitty excuse for a browser on people	Dec 28 16:44
MinceR	since no sane person wants to use it	Dec 28 16:44
DaemonFC	Apple told them they could make a Firefox app as long as it was really Safari underneath.	Dec 28 16:44
DaemonFC	Mozilla declined, and said it was because it wouldn't really be Firefox and they couldn't really claim to support the system Webkit or fix problems with it.	Dec 28 16:44
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 16:44
DaemonFC	So, I don't know why they'd use Trident on Windows Phone.	Dec 28 16:44
MinceR	:)	Dec 28 16:44
MinceR	http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/firefox/6544df57-dd9c-4a61-bf89-9ba3832b849c	Dec 28 16:45
TechrightsBot-tr	www.windowsphone.com \| Firefox \| Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States) [ http://ur1.ca/g9xxk ]	Dec 28 16:45
MinceR	this is what i've found	Dec 28 16:45
MinceR	dunno if it's fake	Dec 28 16:45
MinceR	"This app is no longer published", though	Dec 28 16:45
DaemonFC	There's a lot of Android browsers that use the system Webkit, but Firefox doesn't.	Dec 28 16:45
DaemonFC	Neither does Opera.	Dec 28 16:45
DaemonFC	Opera brings along its own Webkit.	Dec 28 16:45
MinceR	opera switched to khtml too	Dec 28 16:45
DaemonFC	Google allows that too.	Dec 28 16:45
MinceR	oh, its own	Dec 28 16:45
DaemonFC	Yeah, it's webkit, but it's Opera's webkit, not the system webkit.	Dec 28 16:45
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3457399	Dec 28 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@linux@joindiaspora.com: Not just Ubuntu: All GNU Linux Distributions Store Wi-Fi Passwords in Plain Text If You Don’t Use Encryption http://news.softpedia.com/news/All-Linux-Distributions-Store-Wi-Fi-Passwords-in-Plain-Text-If-You-Don-t-Use-Encryption-412387.shtml	Dec 28 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr	-> news.softpedia.com \| All Linux Distributions Store Wi-Fi Passwords in Plain Text If You Don’t Use Encryption [ http://ur1.ca/g9w5v ]	Dec 28 16:46
schestowitz	"The problem is not GNU/Linux distributions, is NetworkManager"	Dec 28 16:46
DaemonFC	I don't see a problem with that. It should be allowed. App developers can't fix problems that occur in the system webkit, so they shouldn't have to use it.	Dec 28 16:46
DaemonFC	If they want to take responsibility for what their app does, they should have the choice.	Dec 28 16:46
MinceR	i doubt that all GNU/Linux distributions ship with NetworkManager	Dec 28 16:47
MinceR	TinyCore didn't have it, iirc	Dec 28 16:47
MinceR	at least not by default	Dec 28 16:47
MinceR	neither did Angstrom	Dec 28 16:47
DaemonFC	Firefox for Android is Gecko. Opera is using its own webkit. Chrome uses its own webkit. Browser uses system webkit. Dolphin uses the system webkit.	Dec 28 16:47
MinceR	so that's yet another bullshit FUD headline	Dec 28 16:47
DaemonFC	It took me a while to figure all of this out.	Dec 28 16:48
DaemonFC	I like Gecko better than Webkit in general.	Dec 28 16:48
DaemonFC	Though webkit has gotten better...	Dec 28 16:48
MinceR	so do i	Dec 28 16:48
MinceR	gecko doesn't crash nearly as often	Dec 28 16:48
DaemonFC	GNOME Web with the latest GTK Webkit and Webkit 2 enabled is very nice.	Dec 28 16:48
DaemonFC	Yeah, Webkit crashes sometimes, but with Webkit 2 enabled, it only crashes one tab.	Dec 28 16:48
DaemonFC	So, GNOME Web is more like Chrome now.	Dec 28 16:49
DaemonFC	in that aspect	Dec 28 16:49
MinceR	for me it tended to take the browser with itself	Dec 28 16:49
MinceR	and in the case of crashium, the kernel	Dec 28 16:49
DaemonFC	Well, Firefox crashes take out the whole browser, but Firefox crashing is rare these days, and it has a recovery system so it's more of a nuisance than a real problem.	Dec 28 16:49
DaemonFC	It will even recover text you entered in entry fields.	Dec 28 16:50
DaemonFC	I like GNOME Web and Firefox. They're both good browsers.	Dec 28 16:50
DaemonFC	Firefox is definitely easier to customize, but GNOME Web is easier to use. I like the option "Enable web advertisements" as a checkbox in the settings menu by default.	Dec 28 16:51
DaemonFC	Firefox is never going to do that.	Dec 28 16:51
DaemonFC	Instead of that stupid-ass "DNT" thing.	Dec 28 16:51
DaemonFC	How about not loading ads and tracking sites in the first place?	Dec 28 16:51
DaemonFC	Adblock Edge is the way to go, but it should be built into the browser.	Dec 28 16:52
DaemonFC	The setup wizard should ask the user on first start if they even want to see ads.	Dec 28 16:52
DaemonFC	I guess that anyone would be free to fork Firefox and build in some of the more useful extensions.	Dec 28 16:53
DaemonFC	Many users that come from browsers like Safari or IE don't even know that Adblock Edge exists.	Dec 28 16:53
DaemonFC	When I set up Firefox for Dave, I put in Adblock Edge, and showed him how much more pleasant it was to use than IE.	Dec 28 16:53
DaemonFC	He's been using Firefox for a couple of years now.	Dec 28 16:54
DaemonFC	Thanks to GNOME Web, I was able to quit using Flash and remove it.	Dec 28 16:54
DaemonFC	Eventually, Fedora will probably build Firefox to play h264 if gstreamer supports it.	Dec 28 16:54
DaemonFC	They said they wanted to wait until upstream was using gstreamer 1.x	Dec 28 16:55
MinceR	doesn't it support the cisco blob yet?	Dec 28 16:55
DaemonFC	I don't know. The upstream build of Firefox 26 plays h264.	Dec 28 16:55
DaemonFC	They just use the system gstreamer.	Dec 28 16:55
DaemonFC	The Fedora build of Firefox is just faster and more secure.	Dec 28 16:56
DaemonFC	Upstream builds theirs with an old gcc, without the security options turned on, and on a RHEL clone, with static linked libraries.	Dec 28 16:56
DaemonFC	It's like proprietary software companies would distribute software.	Dec 28 16:57
DaemonFC	It works, but Fedora is always building Firefox better than upstream does.	Dec 28 16:57
MinceR	https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/970674	Dec 28 16:57
DaemonFC	It is better integrated into the system. It uses shared libraries and the latest gcc, with all of the security options of gcc turned on.	Dec 28 16:57
TechrightsBot-tr	support.mozilla.org \| Firefox support for Windows Phone 8 \| Firefox Support Forum \| Mozilla Support [ http://ur1.ca/g9xyx ]	Dec 28 16:58
DaemonFC	And it's sandboxed with selinux.	Dec 28 16:58
MinceR	free software is banned from m$'s overpriced paperweights	Dec 28 16:58
MinceR	(and iirc it's also banned from crApple's randomly set timebombs)	Dec 28 16:58
DaemonFC	I'll just use Android until the next cell phone upgrade.	Dec 28 16:58
DaemonFC	Then I'll see if I can get a Firefox Phone.	Dec 28 16:58
DaemonFC	For now, Android is the best option available.	Dec 28 16:59
DaemonFC	I do like the overall design goal of Firefox Phone better.	Dec 28 16:59
MinceR	i hope Tizen succeeds in some meaningful way	Dec 28 16:59
DaemonFC	Android is not the best option for a mobile OS, it's just the only option.	Dec 28 17:00
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 17:00
DaemonFC	I mean, really, what else are you going to choose? Windows? iOS?	Dec 28 17:00
DaemonFC	Garbage, totally proprietary, locking out competing software....	Dec 28 17:00
DaemonFC	Those aren't really an option for me.	Dec 28 17:00
MinceR	well, it's the only smartphone OS that isn't dead, apparently	Dec 28 17:01
DaemonFC	Android?	Dec 28 17:02
DaemonFC	iOS is still used. It's in decline though.	Dec 28 17:02
DaemonFC	Most of the people using it are not buying new devices, they just still have an iPhone 4 or something that they bought years ago.	Dec 28 17:02
DaemonFC	More and more of the newly activated devices are Android.	Dec 28 17:03
MinceR	android	Dec 28 17:03
DaemonFC	So, I think that as time goes on, and those old iPhones fail, more people will migrate to Android.	Dec 28 17:03
MinceR	hypeOS is not a smartphone OS.	Dec 28 17:03
DaemonFC	People are still using them because they already paid for them and they still work.	Dec 28 17:03
DaemonFC	It's the same reason Windows XP is still around, even though Windows 8/8.1 are out and people aren't buying it.	Dec 28 17:04
DaemonFC	There's still a lot of Windows XP machines out there that people have already paid for, that work "well enough".	Dec 28 17:04
DaemonFC	So, when those fail, they buy non-Windows devices, and Windows goes into decline.	Dec 28 17:05
DaemonFC	We're dealing with legacy constipation right now.	Dec 28 17:05
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 17:05
DaemonFC	with Windows XP and old iPhones.	Dec 28 17:05
DaemonFC	Whatever people choose today is something they'll still be using in 4-5 years until it just doesn't work anymore.	Dec 28 17:06
DaemonFC	So, Apple's decline will be much like the decline of Internet Explorer.	Dec 28 17:06
MinceR	in that case, i wonder what shenanigans will crApple try to force us to use their crap.	Dec 28 17:07
DaemonFC	It's already starting, MinceR.	Dec 28 17:07
MinceR	i'm guessing they'll try to buy and ruin all the remaining free software projects after CUPS.	Dec 28 17:08
DaemonFC	They launched the iPhone 5c, which is garbage at a price point that Walmart shoppers can afford.	Dec 28 17:08
MinceR	it's still massively overpriced	Dec 28 17:08
DaemonFC	Then they funded a promotion that actually paid people to take them.	Dec 28 17:08
DaemonFC	They marked them down to $49 with a 2 year contract, and then Apple themselves funded the $75 gift card you got for Walmart if you bought one.	Dec 28 17:09
MinceR	it still costs a magnitude more than an entry-level smartphone	Dec 28 17:09
DaemonFC	So they were paying people $26 to take the phone.	Dec 28 17:09
MinceR	even though it's inferior to all of them in every way	Dec 28 17:09
DaemonFC	Well, if you're in the budget phone market right now, the Moto G is the thing to get.	Dec 28 17:09
DaemonFC	They're usually free with a contract, or $199 unlocked.	Dec 28 17:10
MinceR	i think telcos are giving smartphones away "free" now	Dec 28 17:10
DaemonFC	And they're the best dub-$200 phone on the market right now	Dec 28 17:10
MinceR	(of course, on the long run, it's going to cost the customer plenty)	Dec 28 17:10
DaemonFC	Yeah. Sprint has the best deal.	Dec 28 17:10
DaemonFC	$80 a month for unlimited everything.	Dec 28 17:10
DaemonFC	That's not bad for a contract phone.	Dec 28 17:10
DaemonFC	AT&T with 1 GB of monthly data starts at $110.	Dec 28 17:10
DaemonFC	Then each GB you go over is $15, or you can add data to the plan for $10 per GB per month.	Dec 28 17:11
DaemonFC	So they'd charge someone like me a minimum of $140-150 for the way I use my Sprint phone.	Dec 28 17:11
DaemonFC	And Sprint's network is pretty damned good for what you're paying.	Dec 28 17:11
DaemonFC	It might not be quite as good as the others, but it's damned close, and it's basically half price.	Dec 28 17:11
DaemonFC	I get 4GLTE in most areas, and it's FAST.	Dec 28 17:12
MinceR	so do i	Dec 28 17:12
MinceR	well, not sure if it's 'most areas' yet	Dec 28 17:12
DaemonFC	Well, I figure that if their network is 90% as good for half the price, that it's a good deal in the end.	Dec 28 17:12
MinceR	but it's still a surprise after my telco said they aren't supporting LTE on phones at all.	Dec 28 17:12
DaemonFC	And they're still upgrading areas to LTE.	Dec 28 17:12
DaemonFC	Pretty quickly...	Dec 28 17:12
MinceR	and one day it just started letting me use LTE.	Dec 28 17:12
DaemonFC	I had 4G LTE for most of our trip to Ohio a few weeks ago.	Dec 28 17:12
DaemonFC	Even out in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by a wind farm.	Dec 28 17:13
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 17:13
DaemonFC	That was impressive.	Dec 28 17:13
MinceR	funny enough, i noticed that i got LTE service first on a mountain in budapest.	Dec 28 17:13
DaemonFC	Sprint supports LTE, WiMax, and 3G networks.	Dec 28 17:13
DaemonFC	on all of their new phones, at least.	Dec 28 17:13
DaemonFC	And they use all three standards on their network. It's kind of a mess.	Dec 28 17:13
DaemonFC	But it works, so what the hell? :)	Dec 28 17:14
DaemonFC	I've seen my phone use LTE, WiMax, and 3G on Sprint towers.	Dec 28 17:14
MinceR	i didn't know phones could use WiMax	Dec 28 17:14
DaemonFC	LTE and WiMax are both very fast. 3G isn't terrible.	Dec 28 17:14
DaemonFC	Yeah. Sprint started out with WiMax, and then switched over to LTE.	Dec 28 17:14
DaemonFC	So there's still some areas where you get WiMax because it's what they were building before they changed their minds.	Dec 28 17:15
DaemonFC	It works, and they've already paid for it, so they're leaving it alone.	Dec 28 17:15
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 17:15
DaemonFC	So their phones support LTE and WiMax.	Dec 28 17:15
DaemonFC	The user doesn't really need to care.	Dec 28 17:16
DaemonFC	They're both very fast.	Dec 28 17:16
DaemonFC	It's like when 56K modems were released, and you had competing standards.	Dec 28 17:16
MinceR	i don't think my phone supports WiMAX.	Dec 28 17:17
DaemonFC	ISPs would support K56Flex, V.90, and X2	Dec 28 17:17
DaemonFC	So, the modems for your PC just supported all of them, and then you had 56K no matter which standard your ISP supported.	Dec 28 17:17
DaemonFC	My ISP at the time supported K56Flex on one of their local numbers, and v.90 on the other one.	Dec 28 17:18
DaemonFC	I dialed into the K56Flex until the V.90 number was available.	Dec 28 17:18
DaemonFC	MinceR, Most don't.	Dec 28 17:18
MinceR	i don't know which ones my modem supported	Dec 28 17:18
DaemonFC	The LG G2 only supports WiMax if you buy it from Sprint.	Dec 28 17:18
DaemonFC	Everyone else that uses those towers gets 3G.	Dec 28 17:19
DaemonFC	Like, customers of other companies that are roaming on a Sprint tower, or people that bought unlocked phones.	Dec 28 17:19
DaemonFC	My phone also supports text and phone calls over wifi.	Dec 28 17:20
DaemonFC	So if I'm in a restaurant and can't get a signal, I can hop onto their free wifi and make calls and texts over that.	Dec 28 17:20
DaemonFC	That feature is mostly for people on other carriers though, that want to save their minutes.	Dec 28 17:21
DaemonFC	But I have unlimited minutes, so there's no reason to do that unless I can't get a signal.	Dec 28 17:21
Sosumi	I'll tell you the truth	Dec 28 17:25
Sosumi	I haven't seen and iphone past the 4s	Dec 28 17:25
DaemonFC	There's cheaper ways to get unlimited, but they do nasty things to you.	Dec 28 17:26
DaemonFC	Like Straight Talk for $45 a month, but you get second rate phones and third rate service.	Dec 28 17:26
DaemonFC	They don't actually want to turn around and pay the other carriers for unlimited, so they throttle you after 2.5 GB and then you're at 2G speed for the rest of the month.	Dec 28 17:27
DaemonFC	And the data coverage is spotty, so Tim has to connect to my wifi or his data barely even works at my apartment, even though he's using the same tower I am.	Dec 28 17:27
Sosumi	samsung phones happen to be the norm around here	Dec 28 17:27
MinceR	Sosumi: they're all the same	Dec 28 17:27
MinceR	i mean, hypePhones	Dec 28 17:28
Sosumi	and talking of samsung, one of the major retailers has 20% discount on all note 3 and galaxy s4	Dec 28 17:28
Sosumi	to the end of the year	Dec 28 17:28
Sosumi	http://www.fnac.pt/n284571/Precos-Minimos/Tecnologia/Smartphones-Samsung#bl=HGTELECblo1	Dec 28 17:28
TechrightsBot-tr	( status 400 @ http://www.fnac.pt/n284571/Precos-Minimos/Tecnologia/Smartphones-Samsung#bl=HGTELECblo1 )	Dec 28 17:28
DaemonFC	If you use a lot of data, Smart Talk disconnects your service and bans your phone.	Dec 28 17:28
DaemonFC	So you can't re-activate that phone, even though you paid $300 for the phone!	Dec 28 17:29
DaemonFC	So it's not unlimited. There's a limit, they just don't tell you what it is.	Dec 28 17:29
MinceR	that's not very Smart	Dec 28 17:29
MinceR	for some reason, ISPs seem to be fond of secret limits	Dec 28 17:29
DaemonFC	Yeah. They say unlimited, then in the fine print, they say they reserve the right to throw you off if you use it "excessively".	Dec 28 17:34
DaemonFC	Of course, there's no definition of excessive, so you don't know what that means.	Dec 28 17:34
DaemonFC	Comcast says that the "normal" usage of their customers is only like 5-6 GB a month. I don't know what these people are doing, but I use that in two or three days.	Dec 28 17:35
DaemonFC	Even watching a few Youtube videos per day, checking email, and browsing will use more than 5-6 GB a month.	Dec 28 17:35
MinceR	the telcos here like to define a set of protocols/services they happen to like	Dec 28 17:36
MinceR	and they punish you for using anything else	Dec 28 17:36
MinceR	that's why i haven't switched packages for a long time	Dec 28 17:36
MinceR	i don't know which one would be a less of a pain in the ass, if any of them would be	Dec 28 17:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3458229	Dec 28 17:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Rephrasing of the previous tweet: carriers were so eager to get their bribes from #cia that they made their customers insecure by design	Dec 28 17:45
schestowitz	"Gotchya. I saw the reference to "prior tweet" which made me kind of wonder. The brevity and volume of your posts has me tending to mute you. My general preference is for lower volume and higher relevance, and your content tends to dominate my stream otherwise."	Dec 28 17:45
schestowitz	I have posted short items in identica since 2009 and then expanded in my sites. It's mostly about the links really. Long posts I compose separately.	Dec 28 17:46
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Sosumi	not good for the mactards,	Dec 28 18:30
Sosumi	crossfired d700 perform as good as a single gtx680 on battlefield 4 maxed at 4k	Dec 28 18:31
Sosumi	the things I've been mentioning about the PSU have probably been confirmed	Dec 28 18:34
Sosumi	probably just there isn't enough juice to power the thing	Dec 28 18:35
oiaohm	Sosumi: exactly how is it not good for mactards.	Dec 28 18:36
oiaohm	Sosumi: they have lived with under powered video cards for so long now so what is the difference to them.	Dec 28 18:37
Sosumi	because now they have even less arguments against me, at least	Dec 28 18:37
Sosumi	in the flame wars with my colleagues	Dec 28 18:37
Sosumi	and some teachers	Dec 28 18:38
MinceR	it has the logo on it, isn't that enough for them?	Dec 28 18:43
MinceR	also, doesn't the RDF make them believe they've won all the arguments?	Dec 28 18:44
Sosumi	they could always put a sticker or laser engrave it on some third party box	Dec 28 18:44
Sosumi	RDF?	Dec 28 18:44
MinceR	Reality Distortion Field	Dec 28 18:44
Sosumi	don't worry, I can create a dirac sea of infinite negativity that will void all kinds of RDFs	Dec 28 18:47
MinceR	:)	Dec 28 18:48
Sosumi	aside,	Dec 28 19:05
Sosumi	gnu octave finally has a GUI	Dec 28 19:05
Sosumi	officially that is	Dec 28 19:13
Sosumi	I remember older projects like qt octave and so on	Dec 28 19:13
DaemonFC	shared Star Trek: Voyager's photo.	Dec 28 19:24
DaemonFC	I'm going to have to vote for Captain Janeway. In the future, a female starship captain from Indiana fights to get her crew home when they become stranded in the Delta Quadrant, over 70 years from Earth at maximum warp. Sure, it's fiction, but it's inspiring.	Dec 28 19:24
DaemonFC	Bonus: Along the way, she manages to rip the Borg a new one. That alone should get your vote!	Dec 28 19:25
DaemonFC	Despicable Me 2:	Dec 28 19:43
DaemonFC	Little girl (to Gru): "Why are you so fat?"	Dec 28 19:43
DaemonFC	Gru: "Because my house is made of candy. And sometimes, I eat instead of facing my problems."	Dec 28 19:43
DaemonFC	I can relate. Who's up for Taco Bell?	Dec 28 19:43
DaemonFC	Spotify Radio is now free on Android.	Dec 28 21:16
DaemonFC	gives me something to listen to while I'm driving. :)	Dec 28 21:17
DaemonFC	Last.FM is no longer available in the United States.	Dec 28 21:17
MinceR	gn	Dec 28 21:26
DaemonFC	GNOME Web tells websites you're using Mac OS.	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Intel Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/538.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/538.1 Epiphany/3.10.2	Dec 28 22:11
oiaohm	DaemonFC: yep poor designed website id would also say Safari user.	Dec 28 22:12
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amarsh04	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-29/david-hicks-says-government-knew-he-would-not-get-fair-trial/5177504	Dec 28 23:04
TechrightsBot-tr	www.abc.net.au \| Solicitor says documents show government knew former Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks would not get fair trial - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) [ http://ur1.ca/g9zlc ]	Dec 28 23:04
oiaohm	amarsh04: Really David Hicks trained with a overseas army without permission. Australia by international law could have voided his citisenship	Dec 28 23:12
oiaohm	amarsh04: so what is the worry about fair trial he was not infact due anything.	Dec 28 23:12
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Sosumi	confirmed, apple selling rebranded underclocked radeons as firepros	Dec 22 02:05
Sosumi	and more ram on the top model	Dec 22 02:05
Sosumi	as it would be on a radeon	Dec 22 02:06
Sosumi	and why has it been confirmed? no ECC on the D700 which at first was thought to be a fire pro w9000	Dec 22 02:07
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Sosumi	and on OSX there's no distintion between workstation and consumer grade cards	Dec 22 02:08
Sosumi	aside from the vram	Dec 22 02:08
Sosumi	no special drivers, nothing	Dec 22 02:09
Sosumi	so yes crapple is selling snake oil on those	Dec 22 02:09
Sosumi	and I wander how much those cards are crippled in double precision	Dec 22 02:15
MinceR	gn	Dec 22 02:31
Sosumi	Mincer, don't forget to check for "things" under your bed	Dec 22 02:39
Sosumi	:P	Dec 22 02:39
MinceR	i know what things are there :>	Dec 22 02:40
MinceR	well, mostly	Dec 22 02:40
Sosumi	a dakimakura?	Dec 22 02:40
MinceR	nah	Dec 22 02:44
MinceR	a surge protector, an extension cord, some packaging, some food	Dec 22 02:44
MinceR	some dust bunnies	Dec 22 02:44
Sosumi	no cat?	Dec 22 02:45
MinceR	no cat	Dec 22 02:45
Sosumi	cats are cool	Dec 22 02:45
MinceR	sure, but this concrete box isn't fit for a cat to live in	Dec 22 02:47
MinceR	(also not fit for humans to live in, but it's what i'm stuck with)	Dec 22 02:47
Sosumi	I can relate to that	Dec 22 02:49
Sosumi	I hate my university apartment	Dec 22 02:49
Sosumi	but that's with what I'm stuck until I can get something better	Dec 22 02:50
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/414558606382473217	Dec 22 05:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@fcassia: @googlecloud a solution looking for a problem to solve.Also, a fad. cc/@schestowitz #fogcomputing	Dec 22 05:16
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DaemonFC	I am using the Polari IRC client in GNOME.	Dec 22 10:14
DaemonFC	It's pretty rough.	Dec 22 10:15
DaemonFC	I'm not sure I like it. You have to go to the settings in Empathy to configure your IRC settings for Polari.	Dec 22 10:15
DaemonFC	They need to put that setup menu in Polari.	Dec 22 10:15
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DaemonFC	Gas is spiking.	Dec 22 10:47
DaemonFC	It's up to $4.18 a gallon in Fort Wayne. I hurried up and filled my tank this morning at $3.29.	Dec 22 10:47
DaemonFC	I wonder what they're going to blame it on this time.	Dec 22 10:48
DaemonFC	Fuckers.	Dec 22 10:48
DaemonFC	I'm really glad I tuned up the car. With gas prices like they are, that really pays for itself.	Dec 22 10:51
oiaohm	DaemonFC: what is that for	Dec 22 10:51
oiaohm	Ie fuel type.	Dec 22 10:51
DaemonFC	87 octane	Dec 22 10:51
oiaohm	Because its sounding cheep.	Dec 22 10:51
DaemonFC	Yeah, but the minimum wage in Australia is nearly $15 an hour.	Dec 22 10:52
DaemonFC	Remember that most Americans are just barely scrapping by at $8-9 an hour.	Dec 22 10:52
DaemonFC	So the difference between $3 a gallon and $4 a gallon really hurts.	Dec 22 10:53
DaemonFC	The year my car was built, gasoline was maybe $1 a gallon on a bad day.	Dec 22 10:53
oiaohm	Ok that is strange.	Dec 22 10:53
DaemonFC	So the tank cost $20 to fill from E to F.	Dec 22 10:53
oiaohm	There is no such thing as 87 octane in Australia.	Dec 22 10:54
oiaohm	There is 85 octane and 91 octane.	Dec 22 10:54
DaemonFC	Now, gas is $4.18 a gallon, and it costs over $80 to fill the tank!	Dec 22 10:54
oiaohm	91 is regular.	Dec 22 10:54
DaemonFC	I'm pretty sure my car could run on 85, if anyone actually sold that.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	The owners manual recommends 87.	Dec 22 10:55
oiaohm	85 is limited access	Dec 22 10:55
oiaohm	here.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	I've ran cars where the owners manual said 87 on 86 before.	Dec 22 10:55
oiaohm	91 is the common.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	It saved a couple bucks per tank.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	The car seemed to run fine on 86.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	But they stopped selling 86 here.	Dec 22 10:56
oiaohm	Even when we had leaded fuel 91 was common.	Dec 22 10:56
DaemonFC	You should use the lowest octane rating that won't cause the engine to knock or ping.	Dec 22 10:56
oiaohm	91 is 141.9 dollar a L	Dec 22 10:56
oiaohm	Opps	Dec 22 10:56
DaemonFC	87 is standard grade gasoline in the US.	Dec 22 10:56
oiaohm	1.419 a L	Dec 22 10:56
DaemonFC	Almost every car sold since the 1980s will run fine on it.	Dec 22 10:56
oiaohm	I hate the write it in cents.	Dec 22 10:56
DaemonFC	There's no reason to go higher unless you have a sports car.	Dec 22 10:57
DaemonFC	Even then, that will usually take 87. You might lose a little power, but the car will run.	Dec 22 10:57
DaemonFC	Putting anything higher in most cars just simply wastes money.	Dec 22 10:57
DaemonFC	If you burn a tank per week and you use "premium", you're wasting about $200 a year.	Dec 22 10:58
oiaohm	DaemonFC: 1.419 a L is about 6.79 a gallon	Dec 22 10:58
oiaohm	DaemonFC: your fuel is cheap.	Dec 22 10:58
DaemonFC	Another way they get people is the 3 month/3,000 mile oil change myth.	Dec 22 10:58
DaemonFC	3,000 miles is the severe service schedule.	Dec 22 10:59
oiaohm	I run my car on 95 octane.	Dec 22 10:59
DaemonFC	The one recommended by my owner's manual is every 6 months or 5,000 miles.	Dec 22 10:59
DaemonFC	So, basically, they're conning people into paying for a couple of oil changes that they really don't need every year.	Dec 22 10:59
oiaohm	due to the bugger being computer controlled and injected it runs using the least dollars a mile/km on 95 and 98.	Dec 22 11:00
DaemonFC	It's only $50, but it's unnecessary service.	Dec 22 11:00
oiaohm	DaemonFC: Yes you can rip yourself off buying lower octane if you car is not effective with it.	Dec 22 11:00
DaemonFC	I have a 4.6 liter V8.	Dec 22 11:00
DaemonFC	It's actually pretty good on gas for an engine of that size.	Dec 22 11:01
DaemonFC	I get about 20-25 mpg.	Dec 22 11:01
oiaohm	DaemonFC: holden V8 here in Australia new ones in fact like 95 Oct or better.	Dec 22 11:01
DaemonFC	You've got to keep up the maintainence or you lose fuel efficiency.	Dec 22 11:01
DaemonFC	It ends up costing more in extra fuel than the service would cost.	Dec 22 11:01
oiaohm	DaemonFC: is yours computer controlled?	Dec 22 11:02
DaemonFC	I usually buy cars with about 100,000 miles on them, and I've never bought one where the former owner changed the spark plugs on time.	Dec 22 11:02
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 11:02
DaemonFC	They're almost always on the original plugs.	Dec 22 11:02
DaemonFC	By the time you've ran the original plugs 100,000 miles, you're losing 3-4 mpg.	Dec 22 11:02
oiaohm	By the sound of it you are still the old class caberitor.	Dec 22 11:03
DaemonFC	Nope. Mine is fuel injected.	Dec 22 11:03
oiaohm	Coil per pair of spark plugs?	Dec 22 11:03
oiaohm	or Coil per spark plug.	Dec 22 11:03
DaemonFC	It's Ford's Single Overhead Cam 4.6 V8. Pretty standard for a 1990s Ford. They were putting them in everything they could.	Dec 22 11:03
DaemonFC	Now you can't even get a Ford car with a V8.	Dec 22 11:03
DaemonFC	One coil for every pair.	Dec 22 11:04
DaemonFC	So, four coil packs.	Dec 22 11:04
oiaohm	Ok that should be auto adjusting.	Dec 22 11:04
DaemonFC	There's almost never a reason to replace coils. They either work or they don't.	Dec 22 11:04
oiaohm	So should not be reducing in effectivness.	Dec 22 11:04
DaemonFC	It's just one of those things.... :)	Dec 22 11:04
oiaohm	Between services.	Dec 22 11:05
oiaohm	Proper working auto adjusting get better the long ther computer does not reset.	Dec 22 11:05
DaemonFC	Oh, I would NEVER EVER buy a new car.	Dec 22 11:05
DaemonFC	This is the newest car I've ever owned, and it's a 1996.	Dec 22 11:05
oiaohm	Good computers appear 1992	Dec 22 11:06
oiaohm	for cars.	Dec 22 11:06
DaemonFC	The newer cars get slightly better gas mileage, but you're losing so much money to depreciation....	Dec 22 11:06
DaemonFC	Gas prices have never been this volatile though.	Dec 22 11:06
DaemonFC	Not that I can remember.	Dec 22 11:06
oiaohm	Old carberitor the calbibration never holds.	Dec 22 11:06
oiaohm	That is why you have to service them more than computer controlled.	Dec 22 11:07
DaemonFC	In the last six months, I've seen a gallon of 87 going for anywhere between $2.88 and $4.18.	Dec 22 11:07
DaemonFC	It's ridiculous.	Dec 22 11:07
oiaohm	4.18 is cheep.	Dec 22 11:07
DaemonFC	There's no good excuse for it except that they can pick your pocket and you can't get out of paying it.	Dec 22 11:07
DaemonFC	Like I said, to you it is.	Dec 22 11:07
DaemonFC	But, your average wage is higher.	Dec 22 11:07
DaemonFC	The minimum wage there is about $15 an hour.	Dec 22 11:07
oiaohm	Our fuel price is not set by our wage.	Dec 22 11:07
oiaohm	Its set by singapore	Dec 22 11:07
DaemonFC	I'd gladly pay $6.18 a gallon for gas if I was making another $6 an hour.	Dec 22 11:08
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 11:08
DaemonFC	It's relative.	Dec 22 11:08
oiaohm	Note our wage has nothing todo with fuel price.	Dec 22 11:08
DaemonFC	When the wages go down, people need discounts.	Dec 22 11:08
oiaohm	Our price is set by the international markets.	Dec 22 11:08
oiaohm	You are buying fuel less than the international price.	Dec 22 11:08
DaemonFC	Yeah, but I'm just saying that, relatively speaking, your gas is cheaper for most people than ours is.	Dec 22 11:09
DaemonFC	because they have more money to pay for it with.	Dec 22 11:09
oiaohm	Not really.	Dec 22 11:09
DaemonFC	It doesn't matter what it costs as soon as it's unaffordable.	Dec 22 11:09
oiaohm	You are forgeting we have more milage to cover than you in most cases.	Dec 22 11:09
oiaohm	And our food price is linked to fuel price.	Dec 22 11:10
DaemonFC	So is ours, but the big box stores have wrestled with that one.	Dec 22 11:10
DaemonFC	When the fuel prices went nuts, companies like Walmart and Kroger figured out ways to reduce packaging.	Dec 22 11:10
DaemonFC	That's good, because you might get an extra 28% freight onto the truck.	Dec 22 11:11
oiaohm	DaemonFC: I wish.	Dec 22 11:11
DaemonFC	It also reduces waste.	Dec 22 11:11
oiaohm	Last time we had a fuel spike it was buy locally produced or be screwed.	Dec 22 11:11
DaemonFC	Oh, excess packaging was ridiculous at one point.	Dec 22 11:11
DaemonFC	Like, you'd have laundry detergent that was like 80% water.	Dec 22 11:11
oiaohm	We have been fairly lucky on excess packange.	Dec 22 11:11
DaemonFC	So the bottle was like five times the size it needed to be. :)	Dec 22 11:12
oiaohm	We had envormental waste policies.	Dec 22 11:12
DaemonFC	They fixed that one with super concentrated detergent.	Dec 22 11:12
DaemonFC	So, part of the problem was inefficiency.	Dec 22 11:12
oiaohm	We have never had inefficiency in packaging that much.	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	That's why the price of goods hasn't gone up more than it has. They started packing it more efficiently, and saved money on fuel, drivers, and insurance for all the extra trucks.	Dec 22 11:13
oiaohm	Mostly due to how little population per area Australia has.	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	Oh, it used to be awful here.	Dec 22 11:13
oiaohm	Like double the packaging size here quad the shipping price.	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	That's one area where Walmart has actually solved a problem.	Dec 22 11:14
oiaohm	Yes our shipping companies charge on volume and weight and pently charges for light.	Dec 22 11:14
oiaohm	So huge volume no mass pay like the hell.	Dec 22 11:14
DaemonFC	They control so much of what their suppliers do, that when they make a decision like this, it affects the entire industry.	Dec 22 11:14
DaemonFC	All of a sudden, the laundry detergent at ALDI was super-concentrated as well.	Dec 22 11:14
oiaohm	ALDI in Australia has own supply lines.	Dec 22 11:15
DaemonFC	Well, that problem happened because each company was trying to convince you that you were getting more detergent than their suppliers were giving you.	Dec 22 11:15
DaemonFC	When they all switched to the ultra concentrated, I was working at Walmart, and I had all these customers that were complaining that they had to pay so much money for a little bottle of detergent.	Dec 22 11:15
oiaohm	DaemonFC: there is a problem in Australia.	Dec 22 11:15
DaemonFC	It does the same number of loads, they just removed all the water from it.	Dec 22 11:15
oiaohm	Most items in Australia are transported by truck.	Dec 22 11:16
oiaohm	Remember rail is highly fuel effective.	Dec 22 11:16
oiaohm	So it sux balls in transport costs here.	Dec 22 11:16
DaemonFC	Another thing that people don't tend to understand is that it's pretty much all the same thing.	Dec 22 11:16
oiaohm	Why most by truck the governement either has removed the rail lines or never built them.	Dec 22 11:16
DaemonFC	The 96 load bottle of XTRA for $6 works as well as the 96 load bottle of Tide for $20.	Dec 22 11:16
DaemonFC	People do some dumb things. :)	Dec 22 11:17
oiaohm	DaemonFC: you were not thinkign that lower fuel price equals lower food price.	Dec 22 11:17
oiaohm	DaemonFC: if everything is workign right.	Dec 22 11:17
oiaohm	DaemonFC: over all Australia and USA people are not getting any extra usable money.	Dec 22 11:18
DaemonFC	I try to keep my expenses down.	Dec 22 11:19
DaemonFC	It's about the only way I have to keep my buying power up.	Dec 22 11:19
DaemonFC	I order a lot of stuff from Amazon. I just wait until I have enough stuff that I need that it all qualifies for that 15% discount, and then I try to use coupons whenever I can on top of that.	Dec 22 11:20
DaemonFC	Once every 3-4 months, the UPS driver delivers an ungodly number of boxes and it all goes into the closet, and then I just draw supplies out of the pile for months on end.	Dec 22 11:21
DaemonFC	Some things are drastically cheaper on Amazon.	Dec 22 11:22
DaemonFC	Like those Swiffer pads!	Dec 22 11:22
DaemonFC	They're like half the price of Walmart.	Dec 22 11:22
DaemonFC	And my allergy medication. I can get an entire year's worth for the price of a month's supply at Walmart.	Dec 22 11:23
DaemonFC	I barely do any shopping at Walmart these days.	Dec 22 11:23
DaemonFC	It's pretty much just ALDI, Amazon, and the occasional trip to the dollar store.	Dec 22 11:24
DaemonFC	That really helps extinguish inflation.	Dec 22 11:24
DaemonFC	People that are being squeezed start looking for ways to get costs down.	Dec 22 11:24
DaemonFC	oiaohm: I finally bit the bullet and signed up for one of those gas station decoupled debit cards.	Dec 22 11:25
DaemonFC	You give the payment processor your checking account number, and then you get an 11 cent per gallon discount on gas by paying for it with that card.	Dec 22 11:26
DaemonFC	I've got so many cards in my wallet right now, it's unreal.	Dec 22 11:26
DaemonFC	One of them gives me a 1.5% discount on everything. One of them gives me 5% on gas an groceries. One gives me 11 cents a gallon off of gas...	Dec 22 11:27
DaemonFC	I have the 11 cents off one for when I'm out of town because the 5% one only works at Kroger gas stations. :P	Dec 22 11:27
DaemonFC	They've figured out how to fill my wallet with cards.	Dec 22 11:28
DaemonFC	It's like they're multiplying in front of my eyes.	Dec 22 11:28
DaemonFC	Have to re-sort my wallet everytime I pay for something.	Dec 22 11:28
oiaohm	DaemonFC: Ok 11 cents a Gallon kinda might explain some of our Fuel price difference.	Dec 22 11:29
oiaohm	We get 4-8 cents per L off when using cards.	Dec 22 11:29
oiaohm	So a few cents more off Gallon to more than double.	Dec 22 11:30
oiaohm	Un fortunally our regualar stepped in when we were getting 20 to 40 cents a L off.	Dec 22 11:31
DaemonFC	Yeah. They're all fighting to get data out of you.	Dec 22 11:32
DaemonFC	So they mark the price up and offer what looks like huge discounts.	Dec 22 11:33
DaemonFC	Then the people without the cards pay to fund the card program.	Dec 22 11:33
DaemonFC	The supermarkets did it years ago, and now the gas stations are doing it too.	Dec 22 11:33
DaemonFC	Some of them give you like 20-25 cents a gallon off.	Dec 22 11:33
DaemonFC	But when you look at the stations that are doing that, their price per gallon is about 20-25 cents higher than stations in areas that don't do it.	Dec 22 11:34
DaemonFC	So you're not saving anything, you're just getting charged more if you don't give them your data.	Dec 22 11:34
oiaohm	DaemonFC: not exactly what was going on.	Dec 22 11:34
oiaohm	DaemonFC: here the food chains own so many service stations.	Dec 22 11:35
oiaohm	DaemonFC: and I mean own. They own from refinery to service station.	Dec 22 11:35
DaemonFC	Yeah. Kroger has a program where 100 fuel points = 10 cents a gallon off, up to 2,000 points/$2 a gallon.	Dec 22 11:35
oiaohm	DaemonFC: and the service stations themselves.	Dec 22 11:35
DaemonFC	But 1 point is usually $1.	Dec 22 11:35
oiaohm	DaemonFC: it was basically destroy competition.	Dec 22 11:35
oiaohm	We have price wars here and they do get savage.	Dec 22 11:36
DaemonFC	and they cap it at 21 gallons for the discount.	Dec 22 11:36
DaemonFC	So multi-car households don't get the idea of not hanging up the pump, and just passing it along to everyone in the house with a car. :)	Dec 22 11:36
oiaohm	DaemonFC: our independants were been totally screwed by 40 Cents off.	Dec 22 11:36
DaemonFC	You had people doing that too.	Dec 22 11:36
oiaohm	DaemonFC: You should see petol station worry when you turn up in a ute with a 1000 L transport tank on back.	Dec 22 11:37
DaemonFC	Like, there's be 3-4 people in the house with cars, so they'd all just use the same shopper card, and then fill their cars up on the same day and get the $2 a gallon discount * 60-80 gallons.	Dec 22 11:37
oiaohm	DaemonFC: 1000L is the max fuel you can transport on a personal registered car here.	Dec 22 11:38
DaemonFC	Oh, I buy my fast food gift cards at Kroger. They do double points, so you only have to spend $50 to get 100 points.	Dec 22 11:38
oiaohm	DaemonFC: that was where our regularors were good.	Dec 22 11:38
oiaohm	They could only limit to 1 car filling.	Dec 22 11:38
DaemonFC	I just buy $200 worth of cards at the beginning of the month, and then I get 40 cents a gallon off the next time I need to fill up.	Dec 22 11:39
oiaohm	And must accept the case that the 1 car is huge tanked.	Dec 22 11:39
DaemonFC	If I need a complete tank, that's like $8.	Dec 22 11:39
oiaohm	Or worst it be a independants tanker.	Dec 22 11:39
DaemonFC	It helps. :)	Dec 22 11:39
oiaohm	Basically a indepants tanker can take 5000 at discount rate.	Dec 22 11:39
DaemonFC	Independent tanker?	Dec 22 11:40
DaemonFC	Like, cars filling up directly from the tanker truck?	Dec 22 11:40
oiaohm	DaemonFC: independent serivce stations	Dec 22 11:40
DaemonFC	Oh.	Dec 22 11:40
DaemonFC	We used to have those.	Dec 22 11:40
DaemonFC	There's one company that has bought every gas station in town except for like two of them.	Dec 22 11:40
oiaohm	DaemonFC: they are allowed to go nick from the bigger chains using the bigger chains discounts.	Dec 22 11:40
DaemonFC	and one of those is owned by Kroger :P	Dec 22 11:40
oiaohm	The idea is that bigger chains got get the idea of selling under the price independants can buy.	Dec 22 11:41
oiaohm	You know when the bigger chains have the independants drain them dry.	Dec 22 11:41
DaemonFC	I have my phone set to alert me if the price is spiking in the area.	Dec 22 11:41
DaemonFC	So if it goes up 20 cents in Fort Wayne, I've got like a day until it does it here.	Dec 22 11:42
oiaohm	DaemonFC: lets just say Australia has a savage system.	Dec 22 11:42
DaemonFC	So the phone beeps at me and says the price is spiking, so I know to hurry up and top off.	Dec 22 11:42
oiaohm	DaemonFC: fuel prices here are locked for 24 hours.	Dec 22 11:42
DaemonFC	I love it. I've only had that for like a month. It's probably saved me about $20.	Dec 22 11:42
oiaohm	Service station must set price at midnight then stick that price until next midnight.	Dec 22 11:43
DaemonFC	We don't have that here.	Dec 22 11:43
DaemonFC	Stations can reset their prices any time they want to do it.	Dec 22 11:43
oiaohm	That comes from one of our prior price wars on fuel.	Dec 22 11:43
DaemonFC	If they want to do it at midnight, they can do it at midnight.	Dec 22 11:43
DaemonFC	If they want to do it at 3:02 PM, they do it at 3:02 PM.	Dec 22 11:43
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 22 11:43
DaemonFC	You get no warning.	Dec 22 11:43
oiaohm	Note if they change it any other time here is 100 000 dollar fine.	Dec 22 11:43
oiaohm	In the big mess.	Dec 22 11:44
DaemonFC	They don't do price wars here.	Dec 22 11:44
DaemonFC	They collaborate to charge the same prices at the same times.	Dec 22 11:44
DaemonFC	They're a cartel.	Dec 22 11:44
oiaohm	The big mess price wars here there was 2000 changes in a 24 hours time frame.	Dec 22 11:44
oiaohm	Poor consumers could not cope.	Dec 22 11:44
oiaohm	Yes having the pump changing prices right up until you picked up handle was not exactly fun.	Dec 22 11:45
DaemonFC	I've thought about buying some 10-15 gallon tanks and putting them in the shed.	Dec 22 11:45
DaemonFC	Fill them up when gas prices come down.	Dec 22 11:45
DaemonFC	Then use them to gas up the car when the gas prices go up.	Dec 22 11:45
oiaohm	DaemonFC: if that is a closed in wall shed not designed for fuel storage I would not.	Dec 22 11:45
oiaohm	Leaking fuel fumes are a great way to blow a shed up.	Dec 22 11:46
DaemonFC	Yeah, the whole fire/explosion hazard thing kept me from doing it.	Dec 22 11:46
DaemonFC	But, it would be nice to have gas that I bought for $3 a gallon when it's $4 a gallon for a couple of weeks.	Dec 22 11:46
oiaohm	I have keept some fuel out in jerry cans out in garden here before.	Dec 22 11:46
DaemonFC	It might save me $20-30 each time they pull that shit.	Dec 22 11:47
oiaohm	Basically a very simple covering box.	Dec 22 11:47
DaemonFC	And the only reason it's shooting up right now is so they can fuck everyone that's driving places for Christmas.	Dec 22 11:47
oiaohm	I guess you don't have a yard.	Dec 22 11:47
DaemonFC	They can't do that, because it's illegal. So what they do is they say "We shut down a refinery for maintainence. Sorry."	Dec 22 11:47
DaemonFC	Oh, and just around Christmas time? Nice. :)	Dec 22 11:48
oiaohm	Our EPA prevents that.	Dec 22 11:48
oiaohm	If a refinery is shut down the refinery must have a full insepection by EPA from top to bottom and they find any execuse to keep it closed.	Dec 22 11:48
DaemonFC	"I'll shut you down for maintainence. I'm going to put my foot so far up your ass....."	Dec 22 11:48
DaemonFC	Yeah, I was daydreaming there for a minute. :)	Dec 22 11:49
oiaohm	Last time a gas company sut it down for maintainence at chrismane it took them 3 years to get it back open.	Dec 22 11:49
DaemonFC	Well, our gas prices spike around the major holidays.	Dec 22 11:49
oiaohm	DaemonFC: if USA EPA had more teeth they would not do it.	Dec 22 11:49
DaemonFC	And they have to switch blends every spring and fall, so the price shoots up for a couple of weeks when they do that.	Dec 22 11:49
DaemonFC	They tell you when the shutdown is going to happen, so I always make sure I have a full tank before the shutdown starts.	Dec 22 11:50
oiaohm	Con job.	Dec 22 11:50
DaemonFC	The EPA here does some truly awful shit that drives the price of gas sky high.	Dec 22 11:50
oiaohm	Australian refineries don't switch bends.	Dec 22 11:50
DaemonFC	Like, there's a 2007 federal energy law that says they have to pay a fine on however many gallons of ethanol they fail to produce under quota.	Dec 22 11:51
oiaohm	Winter fuel is just mix in an addtive.	Dec 22 11:51
DaemonFC	It's cheaper to pay the fine to the EPA than to produce the ethanol, so they pay the fine.	Dec 22 11:51
DaemonFC	Then they charge you another 30 cents a gallon.	Dec 22 11:51
oiaohm	No need to change refienry at all.	Dec 22 11:51
DaemonFC	Those fucks.	Dec 22 11:51
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 22 11:51
oiaohm	In cold areas the addtive here is shipped to the service station to mix in holding tanks.	Dec 22 11:52
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3433633	Dec 22 11:52
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schestowitz__	"Ordered one last night."	Dec 22 11:52
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schestowitz__	"Shame on them."	Dec 22 11:52
oiaohm	DaemonFC: basially you have a conjob with that winter fuel.	Dec 22 11:52
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oiaohm	UEFI is good if you control the keys and it was implemented correctly.	Dec 22 11:53
DaemonFC	oiaohm: I mix ethanol in with my gas during the winter.	Dec 22 11:53
DaemonFC	They have two pumps. One is E85, and the other is gasoline.	Dec 22 11:53
DaemonFC	I usually mix it so that I have about 20% ethanol in the tank during the winter.	Dec 22 11:54
DaemonFC	It keeps the fuel line from freezing up.	Dec 22 11:54
DaemonFC	It can get pretty damned cold here in January/February.	Dec 22 11:54
DaemonFC	I switched my car over to 5w20 motor oil too.	Dec 22 11:54
DaemonFC	I asked Ford if that was OK to do in a 1996 Crown Victoria, and they said yes.	Dec 22 11:55
DaemonFC	They really made those Crown Victorias to last.	Dec 22 11:55
DaemonFC	The car is 18 years old and still runs like new.	Dec 22 11:55
DaemonFC	Maybe sometime in the 2020s, I'll go looking for a 2011 model, lol.	Dec 22 11:56
oiaohm	Fuel for Antarctica is where the aditive comes from. DaemonFC	Dec 22 11:56
DaemonFC	Ford claims that switching from 5w30 to 5w20 will bring your gas mileage up about 2%.	Dec 22 11:56
DaemonFC	So I did it.	Dec 22 11:56
oiaohm	DaemonFC: USA winter is warm compared to Antarctica	Dec 22 11:58
oiaohm	DaemonFC: the major addtive used for Antarctice to prevent fuel freese is methanol	Dec 22 12:01
oiaohm	DaemonFC: CIsro did a lot of expements getting the perfect fuel mixes for Antarctica	Dec 22 12:03
oiaohm	DaemonFC: and it turned out to be stupidly simple and cheep.	Dec 22 12:03
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3437465	Dec 22 12:33
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Kopimism is a new religion for atheists, agnostics, and believers in other religions who want a new perspective" http://falkvinge.net/2013/12/21/good-midwinter-solstice-with-a-kopimist-gospel/	Dec 22 12:33
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schestowitz__	"What use does an atheist have for a religion? If a sense of community is lacking in your life, get out and volunteer. If you need comfort when things are going awry, seek out your friends and family. If you need a sense of awe then watch a sunset, visit the ocean, go to the mountains, buy a telescope or whatever else makes you realize your unimportance on a cosmic scale. Anything that lets you claim that "hidden magic" is an	Dec 22 12:34
schestowitz__	acceptable belief, or that the universe is not indifferent is a sign that the believer is not an atheist--a non-believer by definition. An atheist with a religion is no longer an atheist."	Dec 22 12:34
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TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Fedora 20 E17, GNOME 3, LXDE and Xfce screen shots http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2013/12/18/fedora-20-e17-gnome-3-lxde-and-xfce-screen-shots/ #fedora #gnu #linux	Dec 22 12:34
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schestowitz__	"Gnome looks really nice on Fedora. I wish they had customized Enlightenment a little better though, it is such a pretty desktop when you get to tweakin."	Dec 22 12:34
schestowitz__	"KDE + Fedora is a powerhouse."	Dec 22 12:34
schestowitz__	"I tried Enlightenment on fedora a year or 2 ago and it looked like windows 95. The Hybryde and Sabayon versions, for example, are much more polished"	Dec 22 12:35
schestowitz__	"Isn't Enlightenment suppose to look like Windows?"	Dec 22 12:35
schestowitz__	v	Dec 22 12:36
schestowitz__	I don't think so. I used Enlightenment a lot over a decade ago and I used Fedora KDE at the university for many years; neither is like Windows.	Dec 22 12:36
oiaohm	I use to skin Enlightenment to look like OS X	Dec 22 12:36
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436028	Dec 22 12:36
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schestowitz__	"physical switch sounds like a cool idea ! Wouldnt linux have access controls via software ?"	Dec 22 12:36
schestowitz__	oiaohm: why though?	Dec 22 12:36
schestowitz__	I guess it's up to you	Dec 22 12:36
schestowitz__	but the golden theme that's there by default is nice	Dec 22 12:36
oiaohm	schestowitz__: I had done 4 years on OS X machines.	Dec 22 12:37
schestowitz__	"A physical switch is the only way to make sure a microphone is really off. If I can turn on and off my microphone by software, so can a successful attacker."	Dec 22 12:37
schestowitz__	The switch should be a physical cutoff to power	Dec 22 12:37
oiaohm	schestowitz__: so switching between Linux and OS X it was simpler if they were closer to each other.	Dec 22 12:37
oiaohm	schestowitz__: physical switches has issues they break.	Dec 22 12:38
oiaohm	schestowitz__: notice some new monitors have capactitance buttons.	Dec 22 12:40
oiaohm	schestowitz__: why they don't break.	Dec 22 12:40
oiaohm	schestowitz__: its something I have never unstood why there is not a capctiance button to allow particular direct access changes.	Dec 22 12:41
DaemonFC	http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/12/17/happy-holidays-salvation-army-attack/	Dec 22 13:13
TechrightsBot-tr	www.addictinginfo.org \| ‘Happy Holidays’ Salvation Army bell ringer attacked	Dec 22 13:13
DaemonFC	A Walmart shopper attacked a Salvation Army bellringer for saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas.	Dec 22 13:13
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iophk	http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/tar-sands-keystone-protesters-arrested-terrorism-glitter	Dec 22 14:14
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MinceR	buttons cost money. apparently most people value (temporary) savings more than security.	Dec 22 14:20
iophk	you can't buy a laptop without a microphone or camera let alone one with a switch. So the choice is between one with an always on mic/camera or no laptop.	Dec 22 14:21
iophk	I suspect that is intentional.	Dec 22 14:21
MinceR	lusers can justify having a microphone and a camera, but not an extra button/switch.	Dec 22 14:25
MinceR	geekings	Dec 22 14:26
DaemonFC	via Human Rights Campaign	Dec 22 14:30
DaemonFC	Walmart doesn't offer health insurance to your husband or wife if you're gay, but they're totally not singling out gay people for mistreatment. They don't cover your spouse if you're straight! They also usually don't cover their employee. So, see, everyone is "equal" at Walmart. The end!	Dec 22 14:30
DaemonFC	Please don't shop at Walmart this Christmas.	Dec 22 14:30
DaemonFC	I wrote that in the comment section.	Dec 22 14:30
DaemonFC	I received my first sext today.	Dec 22 14:32
DaemonFC	lol	Dec 22 14:32
DaemonFC	Well, people have sent them, but I had no data plan on my old phone, so I had to request an email instead. :P	Dec 22 14:34
DaemonFC	Fedora pushed out an updated kernel for Fedora 20 this morning.	Dec 22 14:56
DaemonFC	It takes you from 3.11.10 to 3.12.5	Dec 22 14:56
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer shared a link via The Atlantic.	Dec 22 15:57
DaemonFC	6 minutes ago · Edited	Dec 22 15:57
DaemonFC	http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-day-google-had-to-start-over-on-android/282479/	Dec 22 15:57
TechrightsBot-tr	www.theatlantic.com \| The Day Google Had to 'Start Over' on Android - Fred Vogelstein - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/g8b28 ]	Dec 22 15:57
DaemonFC	Mostly mindless Steve Jobs worship. The criminal that led a company (Apple) that pays no taxes, and writes exploitative proprietary software that doesn't respect user freedom.	Dec 22 15:57
DaemonFC	Also, it ignores the fact that Apple never "sold" music for 99 cents per track.	Dec 22 15:57
DaemonFC	It was originally crippled with Digital Restrictions Malware (like their apps, books, movies, and magazines still are), and then when the music industry realized that DRM promotes piracy, Apple fought tooth and nail to keep it while other stores led the way in abandoning it. Why? Because Apple's DRM makes it impossible to choose a different device in the future and move your collection of DRM-encumbered stuff to the new device.	Dec 22 15:57
DaemonFC	When iTunes went DRM-free (music only), it made people buy their music collection AGAIN to get it without DRM, and they raised the price of all tracks to $1.29.	Dec 22 15:57
DaemonFC	Apple's crystal prison should be avoided. Their App Store is a scourge. Its policies censor and ban apps like Bittorrent, Firefox, and Bitcoin. Basically, you can't sideload apps, like you can on Android, so you're totally at Apple's mercy as to whether or not the application can be installed on "your" device.	Dec 22 15:57
DaemonFC	I use the quotation fingers because when you have an Apple device, it never really belongs to you.	Dec 22 15:57
DaemonFC	Bonus: Apple and Microsoft pushed MPEG-4 patent-encumbered audio and video formats onto the web as a "standard", and in so doing, made every device (not just Microsoft and Apple devices) more expensive for everyone.	Dec 22 15:57
DaemonFC	Fuck Apple.	Dec 22 15:57
MinceR	but use a condom.	Dec 22 16:00
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DaemonFC	shared a link.	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	"A lot was wrong with the first iPhone too. Rubin and the Android team—along with many others—did not think users would take to typing on a screen without the tactile feedback of a physical keyboard. "	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	I never did. I hate virtual keyboards. One of the best things about Android is that you never have to tap on anything one letter at a time. There's voice dictation that actually works, and then there's also Swype.	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	http://www.swype.com/about/swype-faq-3/	Dec 22 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.swype.com \| Swype \| Swype FAQ	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	"Why isn’t Swype available for iPhone/iPad/BlackBerry/Windows Phone?	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	Due to the technical design of some operating systems, it is not possible for third party keyboards (such as Swype) to be offered at this point in time. Please communicate to your device/OS manufacturer that you’d like to see Swype available as a keyboard option!"	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	BAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	Because your phone is a gigantic steaming pile of shit, you will never experience the awesomeness of Swype.	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/09/apple-patent-reveals-swype-like-keyboard-for-ios-devices/	Dec 22 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.ubergizmo.com \| Apple Patent Reveals Swype-like Keyboard For iOS Devices \| Ubergizmo [ http://ur1.ca/g8p7g ]	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	Until Apple gets a patent on something it did not invent (again) and sues the company that invented it in East Texas.	Dec 22 16:15
DaemonFC	And then you'll have a broken half-assed version of it from Apple.	Dec 22 16:18
DaemonFC	Which will, of course, be the Greatest Thing Ever(TM).	Dec 22 16:19
MinceR	i still find it somewhat difficult to type on a virtual keyboard	Dec 22 16:20
MinceR	but a big screen with Hacker's Keyboard and its debug mode helps	Dec 22 16:20
schestowitz__	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZua6r8uqLg	Dec 22 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Oprah Winfrey; An entire generation of white people have to DIE! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8p91 ]	Dec 22 16:27
schestowitz__	taken out of context	Dec 22 16:27
schestowitz__	the title	Dec 22 16:27
schestowitz__	and badly reviewed, she refers to people who lynched	Dec 22 16:27
DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	Dec 22 16:46
DaemonFC	That article really could have been more fair. The editor could admit that the iPhone was crude, and a step forward from what there was before (100 different incompatible phones that all ran crappy vendor-produced software), but that Google upped their game and created a proper OS for mobile phones.	Dec 22 16:46
DaemonFC	To be fair, I can see why the original Android project (the one that was never released) wasn't very good. They only figured that they had to compete with Microsoft, and well, Internet Explorer. Enough said.	Dec 22 16:46
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436248	Dec 22 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Calibre 1.16 Greatly Improves the EPUB and AZW3 Book Editing Function http://news.softpedia.com/news/Calibre-1-16-Greatly-Improves-the-EPUB-and-AZW3-Book-Editing-Function-411005.shtml #calibre #epub	Dec 22 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr	-> news.softpedia.com \| Calibre 1.16 Greatly Improves the EPUB and AZW3 Book Editing Function [ http://ur1.ca/g8pfa ]	Dec 22 16:51
schestowitz__	"If someone can tell me how to whack Calibre upside the head so that it doesn't use its built-in, utterly brain-dead PDF viewer, I'd be very appreciative."	Dec 22 16:51
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3437473	Dec 22 16:52
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Torrent is efficient transmission of data over existing #internet infrastructure and its painting as "copyright violation" been manufactured	Dec 22 16:52
schestowitz__	"Questioning authority is terrorism!"	Dec 22 16:52
schestowitz__	Questioning the law is breaking the law :-)	Dec 22 16:52
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436216	Dec 22 16:53
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Red Hat engineers, who are based in the US, are pressured by #nsa to put NSA code inside #linux (which makes Red Hat's role less trusted)	Dec 22 16:53
schestowitz__	"and by extension fedora's"	Dec 22 16:53
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436253	Dec 22 16:53
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The worst British bank, #NatWest (run by kids now, used to be run by adults), has criminal past, not just bankruptcy http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/02/22/us-enron-natwest-sentencing-idUSN2248595820080222	Dec 22 16:53
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.reuters.com \| Ex-NatWest bankers sentenced to 3 years in jail \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/g8fj6 ]	Dec 22 16:53
schestowitz__	If Natwest gave me a check for £1,000,000- now I would still feel short changed. Full of dirty tricks."	Dec 22 16:53
schestowitz__	:	Dec 22 16:54
DaemonFC	And it's not like waiting a few years and getting it right hurt Google. In 2013, Android phones are massively outselling iPhones. Apple shipped only 12 out of 100 smartphones this year, with almost all of the rest being Android.	Dec 22 16:56
DaemonFC	Apple still maintains a sizable marketshare, but most of those customers are using older devices. It's clear that within two years, Apple's sales might be in the single digits, and in five years, the iPhone might not even exist at all. Right now, Apple is trying to stem the bleeding with a cut-rate model (the 5s) and giving those away for free with a contract. That's gotta hurt their pride a little. Apple customers were sickened by the fact	Dec 22 16:56
DaemonFC	that Apple products ended up being sold at Walmart. They should be doubly disgusted by the fact that there's now a cheap-o version of the iPhone that is specifically targeting Walmart customers.	Dec 22 16:56
DaemonFC	Apple isn't invincible. Back in the 1990s, things at Apple got so bad that the company almost went out of business, and had to go beg Microsoft for cash (which it got, in exchange for making Internet Explorer the default web browser for the Mac, which damned near got Steve Jobs booed off stage, at an Apple developer conference). People don't remember what Apple was doing in the 1990s, which is great for Apple, because it was very unflatterin	Dec 22 16:56
DaemonFC	g. Picture an operating system that crashed more than Windows 98 and still had Internet Explorer greeting new users by default. Yuck.	Dec 22 16:56
MinceR	DaemonFC: the hypePhone was not a step forward, it was a step backward	Dec 22 16:57
MinceR	it made people think that smartphones didn't need to be general purpose computers	Dec 22 16:57
MinceR	even winblows mobile was a better OS than hypeOS.	Dec 22 16:58
DaemonFC	I don't think that the user interface of Windows Phone 8 is that bad.	Dec 22 16:58
DaemonFC	It's just that it's not selling well, doesn't have very much third party support, only lets you install Microsoft-approved apps, and probably won't be around for more than five years.	Dec 22 16:58
DaemonFC	So, I think it has a lot of the same drawbacks as the iPhone.	Dec 22 16:59
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3439884	Dec 22 17:01
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Last year #obama took advantage of people being away for xmas and new year's celebrations, launching a lot of bloody #drone attacks	Dec 22 17:01
schestowitz__	"He tends to sign in controversial things too this time of year - while people do not have their eye on the ball ......"	Dec 22 17:02
schestowitz__	https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=obama+signing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&gws_rd=cr&	Dec 22 17:02
TechrightsBot-tr	www.google.co.uk \| obama signing - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/g8pib ]	Dec 22 17:02
schestowitz__	He signs NDAAs	Dec 22 17:02
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Dec 22 17:05
DaemonFC	2 minutes ago	Dec 22 17:05
DaemonFC	Republicans won't compromise. Nothing will get done.	Dec 22 17:05
DaemonFC	(Doesn't that seem to be happening a lot?)	Dec 22 17:05
DaemonFC	Modern Republicans see compromise as a weakness, and a sign to attack.	Dec 22 17:05
DaemonFC	http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/22/coburn-schumer-acknowledge-obamacare-problems-spli/	Dec 22 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	www.washingtontimes.com \| Coburn, Schumer acknowledge Obamacare problems, but split on solutions - Washington Times [ http://ur1.ca/g8pjc ]	Dec 22 17:05
DaemonFC	Also, people should not necessarily get catastrophic coverage.	Dec 22 17:05
DaemonFC	Depending on the size of your subsidy, the catastrophic plan can cost more and leave you on the hook for twelve times the out of pocket expense of the Silver plans.	Dec 22 17:05
DaemonFC	Of course, I'd expect a Republican to suggest doing the dumbest thing possible, and then bitching when your catastrophic care plan doesn't cover anything. It's another attempt to sabotage the law by leading low income people to choose a bad option.	Dec 22 17:05
DaemonFC	schestowitz, The Christmas tradition.	Dec 22 17:20
DaemonFC	It's not new.	Dec 22 17:20
DaemonFC	The Federal Reserve was established that way	Dec 22 17:20
DaemonFC	With only a handful of Senators actually present and voting.	Dec 22 17:20
DaemonFC	Before anyone knew what it was, it was law.	Dec 22 17:20
DaemonFC	You have to get those things in while everyone is off paying no attention. If people had time to review something like that, it could never pass.	Dec 22 17:21
MinceR	it could, but it would cost the lobbyists more.	Dec 22 17:22
DaemonFC	I can't prove our elections are rigged, but it seems pretty convenient that there were EXACTLY enough Democrats in the House and Senate to pass Obamacare.	Dec 22 17:23
DaemonFC	EXACTLY enough.	Dec 22 17:23
MinceR	d-h.st makes it easy to view all sorts of advertisements with optional malware, but to actually download something useful, you may need to switch browsers	Dec 22 17:23
MinceR	i don't understand why people have to use shitty, sleazy file hosts like that.	Dec 22 17:24
schestowitz__	[17:20] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, The Christmas tradition.	Dec 22 17:27
schestowitz__	Yule is the tradition	Dec 22 17:27
schestowitz__	like Jabba	Dec 22 17:27
DaemonFC	Well, Obamacare is there now, and it's not going away.	Dec 22 17:27
DaemonFC	Not looking at it won't make it go away.	Dec 22 17:28
DaemonFC	I think people need to figure out how to make the best of it.	Dec 22 17:28
schestowitz__	Why is it called Obamacare?	Dec 22 17:28
schestowitz__	I hate this word, and it sounds like a mocking nym for national insurance	Dec 22 17:28
DaemonFC	Well, the Republicans started calling it that.	Dec 22 17:28
schestowitz__	yeah	Dec 22 17:28
MinceR	it was meant to be mocking	Dec 22 17:28
schestowitz__	but why stick with it?	Dec 22 17:28
schestowitz__	OneCare?	Dec 22 17:28
DaemonFC	Then Obama said he doesn't mind if people call it Obamacare "because I do care".	Dec 22 17:28
DaemonFC	So, since they both agree, I just call it that.	Dec 22 17:29
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 17:29
MinceR	they could call it IDon'tCare	Dec 22 17:29
schestowitz__	it's more of the Obama brand	Dec 22 17:29
MinceR	or iDon'tCare	Dec 22 17:29
schestowitz__	I don't like it, if it was Bushcare what would you do?	Dec 22 17:29
MinceR	:)	Dec 22 17:29
schestowitz__	NixOnCare	Dec 22 17:29
MinceR	bush doesn't care either	Dec 22 17:29
schestowitz__	Obama doesn't care much more than Bush	Dec 22 17:30
DaemonFC	It's a better system than we had before, but it was one of those "Something has to be done, so let's reform it in such a way that gets the monkeys off of our backs and gives our favorite criminals a bunch of money.".	Dec 22 17:30
schestowitz__	he's a label, like Jordan, Woods, Oprah	Dec 22 17:30
schestowitz__	we need good policies, not labels	Dec 22 17:30
DaemonFC	health insurance companies don't provide any care, and the government is on the hook for most of the actual spending	Dec 22 17:30
schestowitz__	"Democrat" is a very deceiving laberl	Dec 22 17:30
MinceR	so's "Republican"	Dec 22 17:31
DaemonFC	the insurance companies get to loot the public, do a little paperwork, and get the government to pay for it	Dec 22 17:31
MinceR	things aren't treated as public affairs	Dec 22 17:31
DaemonFC	Their "administrative overhead" (mostly bonuses for their CEOs and profit for their shareholders) is about 20%.	Dec 22 17:31
DaemonFC	Medicare's is about 1%.	Dec 22 17:31
DaemonFC	But, can't give Medicare to everyone, not fucking crooked enough, still trying to figure out how to shut that down....	Dec 22 17:32
DaemonFC	It's sort of funny, in a way.	Dec 22 17:32
DaemonFC	Obamacare does to the <65 crowd what the Republicans said they wanted to do to Medicare.	Dec 22 17:33
schestowitz__	We shouldn't call it Obamaxare	Dec 22 17:33
schestowitz__	Congress votes on it	Dec 22 17:33
schestowitz__	it has nothing almost to do with Obama	Dec 22 17:33
schestowitz__	and more to do with what people need	Dec 22 17:33
DaemonFC	He proposed it and signed it.	Dec 22 17:33
schestowitz__	It's like calling onself "pirate"	Dec 22 17:34
schestowitz__	accepting newspeak	Dec 22 17:34
DaemonFC	It's not exactly what he proposed, but that's what happens in Congress.	Dec 22 17:34
schestowitz__	or calling oneself "non-believer"	Dec 22 17:34
MinceR	pirates are cool	Dec 22 17:34
MinceR	so cool they had to come up with a new symbol for poison :>	Dec 22 17:34
DaemonFC	Congress is theoretically more powerful than the President. They've transferred so much of their authority to the president, that the president has become something of a dictator in certain ways.	Dec 22 17:36
DaemonFC	He has some pretty broad authority to "interpret" existing laws.	Dec 22 17:37
DaemonFC	That's sometimes a good thing. He's instructed the federal government to interpret the definition of "family" to include gay couples. Those laws were written sometimes 30-40 years ago, and you know the Republicans are never going to revise them to do that.	Dec 22 17:38
DaemonFC	But, the knife cuts both ways. The next Republican president will rescind that.	Dec 22 17:39
MinceR	i was just about to say	Dec 22 17:39
MinceR	gay couples will oscillate between "family" and "not familiy" every 4/8/whatever years	Dec 22 17:39
DaemonFC	Exactly.	Dec 22 17:40
DaemonFC	Hopefully, some of us that are voting Republican will be smart enough to understand that.	Dec 22 17:40
DaemonFC	They seem to be doing it mostly due to financial reasons (they're rich).	Dec 22 17:41
DaemonFC	It's about 20-25% of the LGBT voters that do that, for very selfish reasons mostly related to their big fucking pile of money.	Dec 22 17:41
DaemonFC	But, some of them have something to lose now, like tax filing status or Social Security benefits.	Dec 22 17:41
DaemonFC	So, I'm hoping that in the next election, that's something closer to maybe 10-15%.	Dec 22 17:42
DaemonFC	There's always going to be some. :P	Dec 22 17:42
DaemonFC	Most exit polls put us at 5-7% of the total turnout.	Dec 22 17:43
DaemonFC	That can push an election one way or the other.	Dec 22 17:43
DaemonFC	Just don't tell my dad that. He still wants to believe that "Those damned queers are like 1-2% of the population. You animals."	Dec 22 17:44
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 17:44
MinceR	:)	Dec 22 17:44
MinceR	should somebody tell him that technically all humans are animals?	Dec 22 17:44
DaemonFC	I don't know why homophobes are afraid of gay people. I've looked at most of the fanatic ones, and they have absolutely nothing to fear from me.	Dec 22 17:45
DaemonFC	Phil Robertson looks like Osama Bin Laden.	Dec 22 17:45
MinceR	:D	Dec 22 17:45
DaemonFC	Hardly something from my wildest fantasies.	Dec 22 17:45
DaemonFC	The Republicans have themselves backed into a corner. It's hard to find anyone other than straight, white, Christian, males that they haven't pissed off.	Dec 22 17:50
DaemonFC	Some people from other groups inexplicably vote for them....	Dec 22 17:50
DaemonFC	Their "base" manages to take time off from burning crosses in peoples yards to vote though....	Dec 22 17:51
DaemonFC	They've even managed to chase my dad off...	Dec 22 17:53
DaemonFC	That's an accomplishment.	Dec 22 17:53
DaemonFC	He's figured out that he's getting old and sick and the Republicans can only barely mask their contempt for old sick people that don't have tons of money.	Dec 22 17:53
DaemonFC	https://www.card.com/pride	Dec 22 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	www.card.com \| Pride Prepaid Visa Debit Cards \| CARD.com	Dec 22 17:56
DaemonFC	That was advertised on Facebook.	Dec 22 17:56
DaemonFC	I wonder if Capital One would let me upload a rainbow to their Design A Card thing.	Dec 22 17:56
*DaemonFC goes to find out.		Dec 22 17:56
DaemonFC	That page isn't loading.	Dec 22 17:58
DaemonFC	I've avoided using Chrome on m Android phone.	Dec 22 17:59
DaemonFC	I've insisted on Firefox, mostly because it runs Adblock Edge.	Dec 22 17:59
DaemonFC	Chrome for Android has no extension support at all, and knowing Google, they'll eventually drive ad blocking plugins from the Chrome store entirely.	Dec 22 17:59
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DaemonFC	hmmm	Dec 22 18:12
DaemonFC	trying the OK Google extension for Chrome	Dec 22 18:12
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DaemonFC	I tried uploading that image to the card design thing.	Dec 22 18:19
DaemonFC	I wonder if they'll actually send that to me.	Dec 22 18:19
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DaemonFC	shared Americans Against The Republican Party's photo.	Dec 22 18:49
DaemonFC	5 minutes ago	Dec 22 18:49
DaemonFC	https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/p480x480/1495484_693342297354305_1093500394_n.jpg	Dec 22 18:49
DaemonFC	That's me. Inventing ways to do evil. I think I'll drink some more Evil Coffee, then I'll check my Evil Mail, and then I'll sign up for Evil Medical School, so I can become Doctor Evil.	Dec 22 18:49
DaemonFC	And then I'll ransom the world for.....one million EVIL dollars.	Dec 22 18:49
DaemonFC	Can't the far-right find anyone that's not an idiot to carry their message? Anyone that has shaved and had a hair cut since the Nixon Administration?	Dec 22 18:49
DaemonFC	shared Less Than 10 Dollars An Hour's photo.	Dec 22 18:50
DaemonFC	3 minutes ago	Dec 22 18:50
DaemonFC	https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/1528759_380235355454959_2034713572_n.jpg	Dec 22 18:50
DaemonFC	If it had simply kept up with inflation, it would be $10.72 an hour.	Dec 22 18:50
DaemonFC	If it had simply kept up with the bare minimum that a single person needs, in order to make ends meet without welfare, it would be $10.20 an hour, in the cheapest country to live in, in the entire country.	Dec 22 18:50
DaemonFC	Or you can just do what McDonalds says. Sign up for welfare, cut food into little bites, and go to church. Because that fixes everything. And if it doesn't, "Sell your Christmas presents on ebay for extra cash!".	Dec 22 18:50
Sosumi	if you have osx's app store auto checking for updates expect connection to be be spoofed and have the pirate gain access to your home folder	Dec 22 19:02
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Sosumi	apparently there's a vulnerability in the store sandboxing and it's not new	Dec 22 19:14
Sosumi	consider it the new iTunes voluntary vulnerability which granted some alphabet agency a backdoor	Dec 22 19:15
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DaemonFC	I don't get how having a TV show is suddenly a constitutional right.	Dec 22 19:36
DaemonFC	If you work at Walmart and walk up to a person and say what Phil Robertson did, you will be fired. Immediately. Why don't right-wingers go boycott Walmart?	Dec 22 19:36
DaemonFC	I've heard that many of them are going to Walmart to buy their Duck Dynasty crap...	Dec 22 19:36
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DaemonFC	The banksters figure that a minimum wage hike would have a stimulus effect for a couple of years, and then that effect would be canceled out when people promised their future wages to a bank to get ahold of a credit card, or to secure an auto loan.	Dec 22 19:42
DaemonFC	Then they would be making interest payments to a bank that are sucked out of the productive economy, and help nobody (except the bank).	Dec 22 19:42
DaemonFC	Well, if the banksters figure they'll just take it all, then I'm surprised that the increase is not already law. Those folks usually get whatever they want.	Dec 22 19:42
DaemonFC	Of course, people who are smarter than the average bear don't go promising money that they haven't earned to a bank, with interest.	Dec 22 19:42
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414845239850188800	Dec 22 19:54
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Parenti http://t.co/QurYrb6HQZ	Dec 22 19:54
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414846075619397632	Dec 22 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Protest Declares Anti-GMO 'Tsunami' https://t.co/dd2BJkIR5r #hawaii "terrorism" -- will #nsa spy on "targets" (activists) for #monsanto	Dec 22 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.commondreams.org \| Hawaii Protest Declares Anti-GMO 'Tsunami' is Here \| Common Dreams	Dec 22 19:55
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DaemonFC	For people who made the mistake of buying an Apple iThing and now realizing that they want freedom to sideload applications and alternative app stores, you can go through a jailbreak, possibly brick your device, and void the warranty....	Dec 22 19:55
DaemonFC	http://evasi0n.com/	Dec 22 19:55
DaemonFC	Or you can sell off the iThing that you mistakenly purchased, and buy an Android device.	Dec 22 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	evasi0n.com \| evasi0n iOS 7.x Jailbreak - official website of the evad3rs	Dec 22 19:55
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3439849	Dec 22 19:59
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Phone companies might have to store snoop data instead of NSA, Obama says	Dec 22 19:59
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.scmp.com \| Phone companies might have to store snoop data instead of NSA, Obama says \| South China Morning Post [ http://ur1.ca/g8pi2 ]	Dec 22 19:59
schestowitz__	"I drove through Utah once, it had an eerie feeling - a vast and grand feeling of the yetzer hara. Seems the intuition was correct..."	Dec 22 19:59
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DaemonFC	he fact that Duck Dynasty has the highest non-fiction cable TV rating while Dr. Michio Kaku and Professor Brian Cox are two or three channels down is scary, and sad. It really says a lot about Americans....	Dec 22 20:28
DaemonFC	Or, you know, God forbid anyone should cut the cable and read a book.	Dec 22 20:31
DaemonFC	It reminds me of when Bill Hicks was talking about his experience in an Alabama diner. He said that the waitress came up and asked him what he was doing, and when he said "reading", she said.. "Heh. What for?".	Dec 22 20:31
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schestowitz__	hi _Goblin	Dec 22 20:48
_Goblin	Hi there!	Dec 22 20:48
_Goblin	Seasons greetings and all that!	Dec 22 20:48
schestowitz__	How's it going?	Dec 22 20:48
_Goblin	yeah good....very very busy	Dec 22 20:48
schestowitz__	New career next year?	Dec 22 20:48
_Goblin	I've technically got that now...	Dec 22 20:48
_Goblin	thats why I'm so busy	Dec 22 20:48
_Goblin	I've three heads on at the moment!	Dec 22 20:49
schestowitz__	Still living 'round the same area, so that we can come and visit?	Dec 22 20:49
_Goblin	Yep...but not long...April is the date set for leaving.....	Dec 22 20:49
_Goblin	I'll PM you with the new location.	Dec 22 20:49
schestowitz__	That's why renting can sometimes be practical... common thing in central Europe	Dec 22 20:50
_Goblin	Ah we've got an offer in on a house....elsewhere	Dec 22 20:50
schestowitz__	near wife's family	Dec 22 20:50
schestowitz__	so probably east end	Dec 22 20:50
_Goblin	lol....	Dec 22 20:51
_Goblin	yes but no	Dec 22 20:51
MinceR	happy solstice!	Dec 22 20:51
_Goblin	near my wifes family	Dec 22 20:51
_Goblin	but not parents	Dec 22 20:51
schestowitz__	ah, ok	Dec 22 20:51
schestowitz__	near to Euston?	Dec 22 20:51
_Goblin	:).... PM sent....prepare for shock....	Dec 22 20:51
_Goblin	and before you ask about citizenship....	Dec 22 20:52
_Goblin	thats not a problem.	Dec 22 20:52
schestowitz__	BTW, you're invited to come here with the family this week/next week, we can arrange dinner	Dec 22 20:52
_Goblin	Cool!	Dec 22 20:52
schestowitz__	OK, so I need to come around some time before April... or you can come to us...	Dec 22 20:57
_Goblin	Yeah.... April is tentative, depending on contract....	Dec 22 20:57
schestowitz__	Before you become the next Piers morgan/Rick gervais... and rarely come back to visir	Dec 22 20:58
_Goblin	I was thinking more JK Rowlings.	Dec 22 20:58
schestowitz__	meh	Dec 22 20:59
*schestowitz__ hates Harry potter		Dec 22 20:59
schestowitz__	(the films at least)	Dec 22 20:59
_Goblin	I think the books were far better.	Dec 22 21:00
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schestowitz__	maybe I'm not to judge	Dec 22 21:00
schestowitz__	the American Psycho book was quite different from the movie	Dec 22 21:01
schestowitz__	and that's the one example I tried both	Dec 22 21:01
schestowitz__	1984 I only know the film of...	Dec 22 21:01
_Goblin	I'm not sure why 1984 was held up as so insightful.....there's plenty of older works which offered a true to life glimse of the future.	Dec 22 21:03
MinceR	which ones?	Dec 22 21:04
_Goblin	Flatland - A romance of many dimensions..	Dec 22 21:04
_Goblin	that was 1890 I believe.	Dec 22 21:04
schestowitz__	what did ti predict?	Dec 22 21:04
_Goblin	dimensional theory....bigotry, heresy etc	Dec 22 21:05
_Goblin	dividing of society	Dec 22 21:05
schestowitz__	was that a new trend?	Dec 22 21:05
schestowitz__	some things are eternally and universally true	Dec 22 21:05
_Goblin	the big brother society was a given since throughout time we have had "watchers"....as tech improved (as in weapons) methods to control and observe improved.	Dec 22 21:05
_Goblin	You had the "big brother" culture in the times of Jesus (even if you don't want to believe at a religious level)	Dec 22 21:06
schestowitz__	yes, but some methods were explained well	Dec 22 21:06
schestowitz__	futurists/writers like Huxley are not yet proven right	Dec 22 21:07
_Goblin	but then as I say, if time proves we always have watchers, spies and monitoring, when tech improves we would facilitate it to better do the above.	Dec 22 21:07
schestowitz__	Look at that overrated Kurzweil	Dec 22 21:07
schestowitz__	_Goblin: which is worse, GCHQ or NSA, which funds it?	Dec 22 21:07
_Goblin	good question....here's the clever part.....	Dec 22 21:08
schestowitz__	UK has had a reputation of bigger big brother than the US	Dec 22 21:08
schestowitz__	Since imperialist days when people were targeted and tortured/killed if they challenged the colonists	Dec 22 21:08
_Goblin	UK cant obtain info on its citizens without breaking laws...but it can allow NSA to obtain info and then send it back to them....info by proxy is perfectly legal.	Dec 22 21:08
_Goblin	I expect we do the same for the NSA.	Dec 22 21:09
schestowitz__	Britiain buried related documents in the water near Singapore, which Japan had done similar things	Dec 22 21:09
_Goblin	And I'd say GCHQ and NSA are in it up to their necks together.	Dec 22 21:09
_Goblin	and thats the difficulty.....	Dec 22 21:09
schestowitz__	GCHQ got funded by the NSA	Dec 22 21:09
_Goblin	And you'd be surprised by who else.....	Dec 22 21:09
schestowitz__	a conspiracy of legal loopholes	Dec 22 21:10
schestowitz__	NZ and AU also	Dec 22 21:10
_Goblin	They always exist.... same "firm" many names.	Dec 22 21:10
schestowitz__	Not sure about south Africa and with Canada the extent is not yet too clear	Dec 22 21:10
schestowitz__	Canada is loyal also to France	Dec 22 21:10
schestowitz__	And France is in the Franco -- not Anglo-Saxon - imperial camp	Dec 22 21:11
_Goblin	Oh.....and I was wrong.... Flatland wasn't 1890, it was 1884.	Dec 22 21:12
schestowitz__	1984 became a brand of its own	Dec 22 21:12
schestowitz__	Like others	Dec 22 21:12
schestowitz__	Or Rockey Horror Show	Dec 22 21:12
schestowitz__	Rocky	Dec 22 21:12
_Goblin	never seen that film...	Dec 22 21:13
schestowitz__	me neither, only fragments	Dec 22 21:13
schestowitz__	they had a few decent music tracks	Dec 22 21:13
schestowitz__	!google there's a light rocky horror	Dec 22 21:13
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Rocky Horror Picture show, There's a light. - YouTube \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D3tlvKJq-rf8	Dec 22 21:13
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Rocky Horror Picture Show - Over At The Frankenstein Place ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DvK2u4y7J58I	Dec 22 21:13
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Rocky Horror Picture Show - Over At The Frankinstein Place Lyrics ... \| http://www.metrolyrics.com/over-at-the-frankinstein-place-lyrics-rocky-horror-picture-show.html	Dec 22 21:13
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW - Over At The Frankenstein ... \| http://vimeo.com/4833432	Dec 22 21:13
_Goblin	..... I'll check it out....	Dec 22 21:14
schestowitz__	see [4]	Dec 22 21:15
_Goblin	best music score for film...if you know what I mean.....	Dec 22 21:15
_Goblin	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP1Gu5klAlo	Dec 22 21:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| The Goonies Intro - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8r9x ]	Dec 22 21:15
_Goblin	;)	Dec 22 21:15
schestowitz__	and none of that cross-dressing stuff	Dec 22 21:15
iophk	dammit janet	Dec 22 21:15
_Goblin	dressing whilst angry?	Dec 22 21:15
MinceR	:D	Dec 22 21:15
schestowitz__	it's the character in the film	Dec 22 21:15
_Goblin	what about a kilt?	Dec 22 21:15
_Goblin	Very itchy fabric.	Dec 22 21:15
schestowitz__	_Goblin: btw, did you notice we bought tuxmachines?	Dec 22 21:16
_Goblin	no...	Dec 22 21:16
schestowitz__	go check it out	Dec 22 21:16
schestowitz__	http://www.tuxmachines.org/	Dec 22 21:16
TechrightsBot-tr	www.tuxmachines.org \| Tux Machines \| Do you waddle the waddle?	Dec 22 21:17
_Goblin	sorry I missed that...I'll check it out	Dec 22 21:17
_Goblin	Cool..!	Dec 22 21:20
_Goblin	I knew TM was being sold....didn't realize you got it!	Dec 22 21:20
_Goblin	I've been mainly on Twitter these days.	Dec 22 21:21
_Goblin	now around 72,000 words of my second of three books - "Tin Foil Hat"	Dec 22 21:25
_Goblin	and I'm hitting writers block...there's only so much conspiracy you can read about to get inspiration before your brain implodes into a singularity of utter nonsense.	Dec 22 21:26
_Goblin	I'm quite the expert with these conspiracies now....	Dec 22 21:26
_Goblin	Lizards (transdimensional and otherwise), Neanderthals....	Dec 22 21:27
_Goblin	911, area 51, project bluebook....dreamland....magestic 12	Dec 22 21:27
_Goblin	David Icke.... Jones, TPV.......	Dec 22 21:27
_Goblin	I've read 20+ Icke books, and around 20 others works...	Dec 22 21:28
_Goblin	about 100 hours of audiocast.... and countless hours of youtube and TPV.	Dec 22 21:28
_Goblin	and as I said a few days ago, word out with the conspiracy folk is that its not thermite anymore with the towers....its mini nukes.	Dec 22 21:30
_Goblin	I prefer transdimensional lizards myself.	Dec 22 21:30
schestowitz__	[21:27] <_Goblin> Lizards (transdimensional and otherwise), Neanderthals....	Dec 22 21:35
schestowitz__	I don't know about the lizard thing	Dec 22 21:35
schestowitz__	some videos show Icke speaking of it	Dec 22 21:35
schestowitz__	but maybe it's designed to discredit him, not just with metaphors	Dec 22 21:36
schestowitz__	he mixes his nonsense with some real stuff, like others of his kind	Dec 22 21:36
schestowitz__	Jones and Icke are quite differentc	Dec 22 21:36
schestowitz__	cannot speak of them as one	Dec 22 21:36
schestowitz__	I could say more about what I think their purpose is	Dec 22 21:37
schestowitz__	and my friends believe the same	Dec 22 21:37
schestowitz__	they're attract like a magnet people with particular opinions	Dec 22 21:37
schestowitz__	and then tie them with others, thus discrediting both	Dec 22 21:38
schestowitz__	IOW, some kind of controlled opposition	Dec 22 21:38
schestowitz__	and forums get infiltrated with alien abduction proponents and stuff, driving everyone away and ruining whatever credibility older content had	Dec 22 21:39
schestowitz__	!google nsa discredit targets	Dec 22 21:39
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Echoing dirty past, nsa sought to reveal porn habits to discredit targets \| https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/echoing-dirty-past-nsa-sought-reveal-porn-habits-discredit-targets	Dec 22 21:39
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part ... \| http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_4346128.html	Dec 22 21:39
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Report: NSA Spied on Targets' Porn Habits to Discredit ... - The Blaze \| http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/27/report-nsa-spied-on-targets-porn-habits-to-discredit-radicalizers-devotion-to-the-jihadist-cause/	Dec 22 21:39
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Report: NSA tracks online porn habits to discredit Muslim ... \| http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/11/27/nsa-records-onlinesexualactivitypornhabitsofmuslimradicalizers.html	Dec 22 21:39
msb_	Dilbert is great today: http://hf.dilbert.com/2013-12-22/	Dec 22 21:42
TechrightsBot-tr	hf.dilbert.com \| The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more!	Dec 22 21:42
schestowitz__	http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/open-source-closed-doors-foss-and-the-racial-divide.html#comments	Dec 22 21:46
TechrightsBot-tr	www.linuxtoday.com \| Linux Today - Open Source, Closed Doors? FOSS and the Racial Divide [ http://ur1.ca/g8rhd ]	Dec 22 21:46
schestowitz__	"The people who do something other in 'open source' than develop on their own on their own (and rather unrelevant) pet projects are a tiny minority of the people on this planet and (at least, this seems likely to me) also a tiny minority of the people doing software-related work, including programming to varying degrees (I figure that I spend at least half of my work time on customer support issues of all kinds of technical	Dec 22 21:46
schestowitz__	complexity). They're also a group of people who are mostly closely acquainted with each other, who come from a similar well-to-do background (even in countries where university education itself is more-or-less free, the accompanying costs are significant, eg, someone has to earn the money to feed and equip an additional grown-up person who could as well work herself) and who 'fit in' with a certain culture whose characteristics I'd	Dec 22 21:46
schestowitz__	usually associate with cocaine consumption -- boundless, loudmouthed, "the winner takes it all and nothing else matters" aggression towards prospective contenders on the same or on lower levels of the social hierarchy combined with equally boundless "groveling in one's waste products" when dealing with the powers that be (all partial quotes, Spemin included, totally intentional). As such, this is a pretty closed club and most people	Dec 22 21:46
schestowitz__	are not only not members but absolutely not welcome to become members as well, regardless of whatever their present and prospective abilities might be. Insofar this collides with one of the established, easily definable relative minority groups, some of the usual friction can be expected. But at its core, 'open source' is no more racist than misogynist, rather "hate and despise all the outsiders alike" (sound like humans, doesn't it?	Dec 22 21:46
schestowitz__	"	Dec 22 21:46
iophk	A little old - http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/10/31/opera-forum-blogging-platform-email-shut-march-1-2014/	Dec 22 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr	thenextweb.com \| My Opera to Shut Down on March 1, 2014 [ http://ur1.ca/g8rhm ]	Dec 22 21:48
schestowitz__	ah	Dec 22 21:48
schestowitz__	and people still wonder why self hosting is important...	Dec 22 21:48
_Goblin	Re: Icke and his lizards....nope he does say that...I've seen quite a few of his vids about them...	Dec 22 21:49
_Goblin	and also his books....	Dec 22 21:49
_Goblin	oh and BTW Icke also believes that the Moon is a spaceship	Dec 22 21:49
_Goblin	thats straight from Icke.	Dec 22 21:49
_Goblin	tragically thats some of his more sane stuff.	Dec 22 21:49
_Goblin	he seems to have forgotten about being Jesus though.....	Dec 22 21:50
_Goblin	maybe he's just modest? ;)	Dec 22 21:50
_Goblin	I'm looking forward to a debate with one of these conspiracy folk who say "research it"....as a defence...I have I've researched it thoroughly and am very prepared for their silliness.	Dec 22 21:51
_Goblin	and that was awful English...I'm sorry....I'm trying to wrap presents and type at the same time.	Dec 22 21:52
_Goblin	Mind you, after all these conspiracy theories, I do have a question - a conspiracy if you will......	Dec 22 21:56
_Goblin	Why do most of these conspiracy folk want to sell you books, dvd's and talks about their conspiracy?	Dec 22 21:57
_Goblin	There's alot of money in a conspiracy theory	Dec 22 21:57
MinceR	there's a lot of money in conspiracies too :>	Dec 22 21:59
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_Goblin	And I've not even started to talk about Scientology	Dec 22 22:01
_Goblin	now thats a good one......it works in the same way that Icke and his lizards does.	Dec 22 22:01
_Goblin	or the "truthers" who now don't think it thermite....	Dec 22 22:02
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Sosumi	no, it was the pleidians!	Dec 22 22:05
_Goblin	lol....	Dec 22 22:05
_Goblin	forgot about them..	Dec 22 22:06
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414863801939660800 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414874741355585537 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414875338150539265	Dec 22 22:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "The Airtame dongle itself is running a modified version of Raspbian" http://t.co/ocyzRsDX4Y	Dec 22 22:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> arstechnica.com \| Airtame wants to mirror (almost) any screen to any other screen \| Ars Technica	Dec 22 22:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: The climate change denial lobby https://t.co/v4o72a3p0r #murdoch #fox #greed	Dec 22 22:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: On claustrophobia https://t.co/2lW8RAfGfO	Dec 22 22:06
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414875579302035456 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414877738789793794 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414878533379694593	Dec 22 22:06
_Goblin	with all these aliens, and transdimensional creatures, there's probably only about 4 humans on the planet (if we are to believe all these conspiracies)	Dec 22 22:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "Cuban President Raul Castro has called for "civilised relations" with the United States" http://t.co/pYjiOkgpWD who embargoes who?	Dec 22 22:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - Cuba's Raul Castro calls for 'civilised relations' with US	Dec 22 22:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Dozens of police injured as eviction protest turns violent in Hamburg (PHOTOS, VIDEO) http://t.co/UWQ8Xmt5eN #germany #hamburg	Dec 22 22:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> rt.com \| NO TITLE	Dec 22 22:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: The disinformation monster is spreading to Europe http://t.co/1tfMWa9tnj	Dec 22 22:06
Sosumi	_Goblin, have you ever met a PILF?	Dec 22 22:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - Storyful social media firm bought by Rupert Murdoch	Dec 22 22:06
_Goblin	Nope....but I have a MILF	Dec 22 22:06
_Goblin	is that the same thing?	Dec 22 22:07
Sosumi	bummer, you killed my joke	Dec 22 22:07
schestowitz__	who's she?	Dec 22 22:07
_Goblin	lol	Dec 22 22:07
schestowitz__	Kylie has children?	Dec 22 22:07
_Goblin	Roy, you know I've a thing for Sarah Palin	Dec 22 22:08
_Goblin	now theres a MILF.....Not sure about PILF though.	Dec 22 22:09
_Goblin	She could be an alien though....it would explain alot.	Dec 22 22:09
Sosumi	lol	Dec 22 22:09
schestowitz__	Putin I'd like to F***?	Dec 22 22:10
schestowitz__	Or palin?	Dec 22 22:10
Sosumi	pleidian	Dec 22 22:10
Sosumi	it was a joke that started when RT America had the crazy pleidian women	Dec 22 22:11
Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAeSsvHhTg	Dec 22 22:11
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Aliens shot down California missile - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8rlq ]	Dec 22 22:11
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414880827290681345	Dec 22 22:13
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "banks are using "their" money and laws (that they often wrote) to block municipalities' use of eminent domain" http://t.co/oeP4nPUZxv	Dec 22 22:13
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.truth-out.org \| Capitalism and Democracy: Year-End Lessons	Dec 22 22:13
Sosumi	nice ( . Y . ) anyways, too bad that desperate housewife is trying too hard to be popular	Dec 22 22:14
Sosumi	and nice way to actually discredit anyone who actually brings any kind of "conspiracy" fact into the light	Dec 22 22:16
DaemonFC	I'm still loving this Android phone.	Dec 22 22:24
DaemonFC	I think I bought the fastest one they sell. B-)	Dec 22 22:24
Sosumi	more news about the buttplug pro,	Dec 22 22:24
Sosumi	single gtx680 > two D700	Dec 22 22:25
Sosumi	on unigine valley benchmark	Dec 22 22:25
DaemonFC	The Snapdragon 800 is a VERY fast processor.	Dec 22 22:25
DaemonFC	I'm amazed. This thing is way WAY faster than that horrible G9 tablet I have.	Dec 22 22:25
Sosumi	I'm waiting for the galaxy s5	Dec 22 22:25
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 22:25
DaemonFC	I didn't feel like waiting.	Dec 22 22:25
DaemonFC	The G2 and Nexus 5 are at least half a generation more advanced than the Galaxy S4.	Dec 22 22:26
Sosumi	I could just go and get the note	Dec 22 22:26
Sosumi	but way too big	Dec 22 22:26
DaemonFC	They're both food phones that will last for years.	Dec 22 22:26
Sosumi	and I don't like the finish that much	Dec 22 22:26
DaemonFC	I didn't really feel like paying for a S4.	Dec 22 22:26
DaemonFC	It was the same price as the G2, and way slower.	Dec 22 22:26
DaemonFC	And it was caught cheating the Futuremark benchmark. :P	Dec 22 22:27
Sosumi	yeah :P	Dec 22 22:27
DaemonFC	And there's the minor issue of a S4 bursting into flames.	Dec 22 22:27
Sosumi	the bad thing about the nexus is the cheap dac	Dec 22 22:27
DaemonFC	And Samsung trying to remove the video with the DMCA.	Dec 22 22:27
Sosumi	otherwise it'd have excelent	Dec 22 22:27
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 22:27
DaemonFC	Not cool.	Dec 22 22:27
Sosumi	*been	Dec 22 22:28
DaemonFC	The G2 is pretty similar to the Nexus 5.	Dec 22 22:28
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DaemonFC	Mostly the same hardware.	Dec 22 22:28
DaemonFC	The G2 has a slightly larger screen, but the Nexus 5's has slightly higher dpi.	Dec 22 22:29
DaemonFC	I'd say it's a wash.	Dec 22 22:29
MinceR	dpi doesn't matter	Dec 22 22:29
MinceR	size and resolution matter	Dec 22 22:29
DaemonFC	Oh, then they're both the same resolution.	Dec 22 22:29
DaemonFC	The G2's screen is like 0.4" larger.	Dec 22 22:29
DaemonFC	LG makes the Nexus 5, so it's obvious why they're basically the same phone.	Dec 22 22:30
DaemonFC	One is branded for Google.	Dec 22 22:30
DaemonFC	That's the largest difference.	Dec 22 22:30
Sosumi	yeah, but they could have used better DACs	Dec 22 22:33
Sosumi	while sansumg on their phones tries way too hard to play the music the "best"	Dec 22 22:34
Sosumi	instead of focusing in playing the file true to how it was recorded/encoded	Dec 22 22:34
DaemonFC	I usually have the phone hooked up to headphones when I'm listening to music.	Dec 22 22:34
Sosumi	well, ofc	Dec 22 22:35
DaemonFC	Sounds alright to me.	Dec 22 22:35
Sosumi	which headphones are you using?	Dec 22 22:35
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DaemonFC	Uhhm, a big old pair of Koss ones that I got for 50 cents at a garage sale.	Dec 22 22:37
DaemonFC	:D	Dec 22 22:37
Sosumi	lol	Dec 22 22:37
_Goblin	I had a decent pair of headphones....	Dec 22 22:37
_Goblin	until Roy came around my house and broke them.	Dec 22 22:37
_Goblin	;)	Dec 22 22:37
MinceR	:)	Dec 22 22:38
DaemonFC	Mmmmm. I just changed my water filter...	Dec 22 22:38
DaemonFC	This water is delightfully tasteless...	Dec 22 22:38
MinceR	:>	Dec 22 22:38
DaemonFC	The tap water in this town tastes kind of funky.	Dec 22 22:39
DaemonFC	Of course, with the EPA being what it is, there's no telling what's actually in it.	Dec 22 22:40
DaemonFC	The Safe Drinking Water Act represents the science of the 1970s.	Dec 22 22:40
DaemonFC	Lobbyists have kept it from being modernized.	Dec 22 22:40
_Goblin	What were you after? Being able to light your water with a flame?	Dec 22 22:42
_Goblin	The modern water burns you know.	Dec 22 22:42
DaemonFC	Yeah, the fracking is causing that.	Dec 22 22:42
DaemonFC	Indiana's laws surely aren't any better than the federal ones.	Dec 22 22:43
_Goblin	I thought it fracking funny.... who holds a lighter to their tap?	Dec 22 22:43
DaemonFC	Our last governor (a Republican) called the federal EPA the "Employment Prevention Agency".	Dec 22 22:43
_Goblin	What shall we do today? Oh yes, I know, lets try to light the water.	Dec 22 22:43
MinceR	"damn, the gas service is down. i guess i'll try cooking with water today."	Dec 22 22:44
_Goblin	Now if only you could have a combustion engine running off the stuff, you'd be laughing... the fuel prices in the uk are extortionate.	Dec 22 22:44
_Goblin	I'm sure there's an alienesque conspiracy in the burning water......give it time..	Dec 22 22:45
_Goblin	I wonder, if you drunk this water then tried to light your pee, would you get a flame? Experiment of the day...	Dec 22 22:46
DaemonFC	"This is just like that time I had sex with that one person and got that one thing!"	Dec 22 22:47
DaemonFC	"Hahahahahaha!!!"	Dec 22 22:47
_Goblin	Mark my words....someone on Youtube will try it.	Dec 22 22:47
DaemonFC	I can't believe the gall of the Republicans in attacking the Environmental Protection Agency. They've already gutted it so badly that there are some areas of the country where you can set the tap water on fire (because of fracking), and the EPA is saying it's perfectly safe to drink.	Dec 22 22:48
DaemonFC	Even after all of that, Indiana's former governor (a Republican, Mitch Daniels) called the federal EPA the "Employment Prevention Agency".	Dec 22 22:48
DaemonFC	I was like.... "Are you **ing **ing me?"	Dec 22 22:48
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_Goblin	Mind you.....	Dec 22 22:49
_Goblin	people drink spirits.....you can light them....so whats the harm in a little flamable water?	Dec 22 22:49
MinceR	plenty	Dec 22 22:50
DaemonFC	Sarah Palin (and many Republicans, for that matter) remind me of that scene from Red Dwarf.	Dec 22 22:50
DaemonFC	Lister (reading Captain Hollister's report on Rimmer: "Stupid. Stupid Stupid. Stupid."	Dec 22 22:50
DaemonFC	Rimmer: "Was there anything else?"	Dec 22 22:50
DaemonFC	Lister: "Just your name and a dash."	Dec 22 22:50
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MinceR	the human body can process ethanol, but not hydrocarbons, afaik	Dec 22 22:51
_Goblin	then maybe they should learn.	Dec 22 22:51
MinceR	for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escolar	Dec 22 22:51
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| Escolar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	Dec 22 22:51
_Goblin	I'm sure Icke's transdimensional lizards will be ok with flamable water.	Dec 22 22:51
MinceR	then again, there's plenty of harm in consuming ethanol, too :>	Dec 22 22:53
DaemonFC	shared a link via The Other 98%.	Dec 22 22:54
DaemonFC	49 seconds ago · Edited	Dec 22 22:54
DaemonFC	http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/12/11/homelessness-hungerreportmayors.html	Dec 22 22:54
TechrightsBot-tr	america.aljazeera.com \| Hardworking yet still homeless in today's America \| Al Jazeera America [ http://ur1.ca/g8rwa ]	Dec 22 22:54
DaemonFC	McDonalds has helpful advice. Get on welfare, go to church, cut your food i	Dec 22 22:54
DaemonFC	Oh, and be sure to appropriately tip your personal masseuse.	Dec 22 22:54
DaemonFC	(Yes, they actually said all of this!)	Dec 22 22:54
DaemonFC	errr	Dec 22 22:55
_Goblin	I love a good MD burger.	Dec 22 22:55
DaemonFC	"Get on welfare, go to church, cut your food into little pieces, stop complaining, and sell your Christmas presents on ebay."	Dec 22 22:55
_Goblin	and the vanilla milkshake	Dec 22 22:55
DaemonFC	You mean the beaver anal gland milkshake.	Dec 22 22:56
_Goblin	yep	Dec 22 22:56
_Goblin	its lovely.	Dec 22 22:56
DaemonFC	Made by a minimum wage employee that hates you and didn't wash their hands after using the restroom.	Dec 22 22:56
DaemonFC	Mmmm. Tastes like Hepatitis!	Dec 22 22:56
_Goblin	it comes out a machine	Dec 22 22:56
DaemonFC	Yeah, and then they stuck their dick in it because they make minimum wage!	Dec 22 22:56
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 22:56
_Goblin	that would be ill advised its very cold	Dec 22 22:57
_Goblin	mind you, if you'd been drinking that flamable water.....	Dec 22 22:57
_Goblin	and just like how I don't want to think about how the animal is killed before it hits my plate, aslong as the milkshake tastes good, "the making of" means little.	Dec 22 22:58
_Goblin	lol....	Dec 22 22:58
DaemonFC	Well, it is McDonalds. If the employee jerks off in your hamburger, it's the healthiest part of the whole meal.	Dec 22 22:58
DaemonFC	They should really charge you extra for that.	Dec 22 22:58
_Goblin	LBC 97.3 has just said exactly what you mentioned daemonfc	Dec 22 22:58
_Goblin	about MD	Dec 22 22:58
DaemonFC	Which part?	Dec 22 22:58
_Goblin	the lifestyle bit about MD	Dec 22 22:58
_Goblin	how coinicidental is that?	Dec 22 22:59
DaemonFC	The "helpful advice"?	Dec 22 22:59
_Goblin	yep	Dec 22 22:59
_Goblin	LBC = Londons Biggest Conversation	Dec 22 22:59
DaemonFC	"Hmm, there seems to be semen in my hamburger...."	Dec 22 23:00
DaemonFC	Don't complain. At least you know where it came from!	Dec 22 23:00
MinceR	do you?	Dec 22 23:00
_Goblin	I was told that was mayonaise	Dec 22 23:00
DaemonFC	I'm serious. Their "hamburger" is really bad.	Dec 22 23:00
MinceR	there's plenty of species that produce semen.	Dec 22 23:00
DaemonFC	It's like mystery meat.	Dec 22 23:00
DaemonFC	And it does't even rot.	Dec 22 23:01
MinceR	well, i used to like their burgers	Dec 22 23:01
MinceR	now i pretty much only like the cheeseburger bacon	Dec 22 23:01
DaemonFC	They've got it so packed full of artificial preservatives that you can put a McDonalds hamburger in the closet for 10 years, and it will look pretty much the same as the day you bought it.	Dec 22 23:01
DaemonFC	There was a guy on Dr. Oz that did that.	Dec 22 23:01
MinceR	that's not what they're for, though	Dec 22 23:02
MinceR	they're for eating	Dec 22 23:02
_Goblin	yep	Dec 22 23:02
_Goblin	its like the person who lit their tap....why bother?	Dec 22 23:02
DaemonFC	I'd be too afraid to even try to light my tap water. It might work.	Dec 22 23:03
DaemonFC	Fucking Republicans....	Dec 22 23:03
MinceR	use a condom.	Dec 22 23:03
_Goblin	on his tap?	Dec 22 23:03
MinceR	on the republicans.	Dec 22 23:03
DaemonFC	Oh, I've only ever fucked one Republican, and I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic when he said he was one.	Dec 22 23:04
MinceR	:>	Dec 22 23:04
DaemonFC	Of course, his dad sure was a Republican.	Dec 22 23:04
DaemonFC	Well, mostly.	Dec 22 23:04
DaemonFC	His dad told him "I'm not thrilled about you being gay, just don't bring any niggers into the house."	Dec 22 23:04
DaemonFC	So, there you go.	Dec 22 23:04
MinceR	lol	Dec 22 23:04
DaemonFC	I didn't really like his family too much.	Dec 22 23:05
DaemonFC	He actually told me his dad said that.	Dec 22 23:06
DaemonFC	Then he finished the sentence off with "And I never did...."	Dec 22 23:06
DaemonFC	That's Martinsville, Indiana for you though.	Dec 22 23:07
DaemonFC	It's basically one of the last Klan holdouts in Indiana.	Dec 22 23:08
DaemonFC	https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1508147_693591210662747_112411953_n.jpg	Dec 22 23:10
MinceR	:)	Dec 22 23:11
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Sosumi	who are those in that pict? talibans? santa and his helpers?	Dec 23 00:47
MinceR	"duck dynasty"	Dec 23 00:47
Sosumi	I know! mobster santa	Dec 23 00:47
Sosumi	never heard of it	Dec 23 00:47
MinceR	fundie hillbillies, afaik	Dec 23 00:47
Sosumi	and why are gays sinners?	Dec 23 00:49
Sosumi	from my knowledge, being a sinner is walking at night under the "light" of the moon	Dec 23 00:49
MinceR	because the bible says that anal sex is an abomination :>	Dec 23 00:50
Sosumi	ppl professing what they don't understand	Dec 23 00:50
Sosumi	beats me	Dec 23 00:50
Sosumi	zee bible also says to not kill	Dec 23 00:52
Sosumi	yet...	Dec 23 00:52
Sosumi	iraq, afghanistan, kosovo...	Dec 23 00:53
MinceR	yeah, it says a lot of things	Dec 23 00:53
MinceR	and it often contradicts itself	Dec 23 00:53
MinceR	and people don't mind	Dec 23 00:53
MinceR	they just go "durr hurr it's the inerrant word of god"	Dec 23 00:54
Sosumi	korea, vietnam, dronings in pakistan and in Africa	Dec 23 00:54
Sosumi	terror tuesdays	Dec 23 00:54
Sosumi	targeted assassinations	Dec 23 00:54
Sosumi	NDAA	Dec 23 00:54
Sosumi	yeah it says all	Dec 23 00:54
Sosumi	the word of god, yay, I'm yet to hear his word	Dec 23 00:55
Sosumi	maybe he'll tell me to run for president too	Dec 23 00:56
MinceR	that will be difficult, seeing how their god is dealing with challenges in the existence department	Dec 23 00:57
MinceR	(also in the consistency of properties department)	Dec 23 00:57
Sosumi	yeah those dirty palestinians are still claiming that land IsraHELL got from god	Dec 23 00:59
Sosumi	don't reject the idea of a god which embodies the ideal of perfection, but tacking the bible or other religious books as they are is complete nonsense	Dec 23 01:00
MinceR	it's extremely far from perfection, to say the least	Dec 23 01:01
Sosumi	as they mostly describe celestial events, through the ages, in a way that only those initiated into the mysteries/priesthood can understand	Dec 23 01:01
Sosumi	it's just like saying, if the kingdom of heaven is withing men, so is the kingdom of hell	Dec 23 01:02
Sosumi	it just depends on what you want to externalize	Dec 23 01:02
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 23 01:04
Sosumi	seb³	Dec 23 01:04
sebsebseb	fewt: MinceR ping	Dec 23 01:05
MinceR	pong	Dec 23 01:05
Sosumi	the only guy around here that is 3 times great	Dec 23 01:05
sebsebseb	MinceR: humm	Dec 23 01:05
sebsebseb	maybe I shuld say on the LUG list	Dec 23 01:05
fewt	sebsebseb	Dec 23 01:05
sebsebseb	what distros and interfaces were picked	Dec 23 01:05
fewt	pong	Dec 23 01:05
sebsebseb	I just sai my ditro and de won't get used on the demo machines on there and such	Dec 23 01:05
sebsebseb	or I wait for more responses	Dec 23 01:06
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iophk	http://www.voanews.com/content/pussy-riot-member--release-is-pr-stunt/1815679.html	Dec 23 09:26
TechrightsBot-tr	www.voanews.com \| Pussy Riot Member: Release Is PR Stunt [ http://ur1.ca/g8v0h ]	Dec 23 09:26
iophk	http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-army-base-runs-unlicensed-windows-7-computers-131222/	Dec 23 09:30
TechrightsBot-tr	torrentfreak.com \| U.S. Army Base Runs Unlicensed Windows 7 Computers \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g8v1q ]	Dec 23 09:31
iophk	http://falkvinge.net/2013/12/23/reminder-1-copyright-monopoly-infringement-isnt-stealing-says-the-us-supreme-court/	Dec 23 09:31
TechrightsBot-tr	falkvinge.net \| Reminder 1: Copyright Monopoly Infringement Isn't Stealing (Says The US Supreme Court) - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/g8v1v ]	Dec 23 09:31
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schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415055139729592321 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415055234499874817 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415055259405676544	Dec 23 09:47
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Linux Mint 16 “Petra” KDE released! http://t.co/IKZfaAIr00 #kde #linuxmint #gnu #linux	Dec 23 09:47
TechrightsBot-tr	-> blog.linuxmint.com \| The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Linux Mint 16 “Petra” KDE released!	Dec 23 09:47
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: NVIDIA Optimus Linux Power Battery Tests http://t.co/rPT6xYKLR2 #nvidia #linux	Dec 23 09:47
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] NVIDIA Optimus Linux Power Battery Tests	Dec 23 09:47
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: GIMP Still Has Many Lofty Features To Develop http://t.co/a734wDs7v4 #gnu #gimp	Dec 23 09:47
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] GIMP Still Has Many Lofty Features To Develop	Dec 23 09:47
schestowitz_bed2	MinceR: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.564826	Dec 23 10:13
TechrightsBot-tr	www.haaretz.com \| Advertisement [ http://ur1.ca/g8vbn ]	Dec 23 10:13
schestowitz_bed2	"Many more Hungarians are looking to 'reclaim' Hungary's Nazi past"	Dec 23 10:13
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415061787814674432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415062552159485952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415062675354570752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415063461216124928	Dec 23 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: NASCAR politicians https://t.co/GndSBmClrA	Dec 23 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Holiday spirit https://t.co/rFlOuAMmx7	Dec 23 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Nixonism on steroids https://t.co/yQji6Agx6S	Dec 23 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Serving the boss http://t.co/bmNEoJTqbi	Dec 23 10:21
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msb_	"<iophk> http://www.voanews.com/content/pussy-riot-member--release-is-pr-stunt/1815679.html"	Dec 23 12:20
iophk	"This is a hoax and a PR move."	Dec 23 12:21
iophk	http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-pussy-riot-members-released-20131223,0,3122747.story	Dec 23 12:21
TechrightsBot-tr	www.latimes.com \| Two members of Russia punk band Pussy Riot freed from prison - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/g8vzt ]	Dec 23 12:21
iophk	Probably just tidying up before the Olympics.	Dec 23 12:22
iophk	Greenpeace activists are being let go too, I gather.	Dec 23 12:22
msb_	It's good that the imprisoned Pussy Riot members are being released. It would be better if Putin were moved by conscience instead of public pressure, but at least he's susceptible to that.	Dec 23 12:22
msb_	Putin is very important to the world for keeping the U.S. in check.	Dec 23 12:23
iophk	Kind of. He tends to run loose himself.	Dec 23 12:24
iophk	There are few checks and balances left in the big powers.	Dec 23 12:24
msb_	Yep.	Dec 23 12:24
iophk	They impose on each other a little bit if another encroaches on their interests. But otherwise, they seem unchecked.	Dec 23 12:26
msb_	It's interesting that the biggest breakthrough in life extension has been announced a few months after Obomber's attempt to destroy Syria (as he did Libya) was thwarted by alternative news organizations, notably globalresearch.ca, and the World Community via the Internet.	Dec 23 12:29
msb_	Taken together, these two events could represent a turning point in human social evolution.	Dec 23 12:31
iophk	I thought the news organizations have been on the way out for a while. There is almost no investigative reporting.	Dec 23 12:32
iophk	anymore	Dec 23 12:32
msb_	A triumph of people over the ultra-psychopath NWO, plus the first beginnings of real life extension.	Dec 23 12:33
msb_	The alternative, non-corporate news organizations have been getting stronger, and doing more investigations.	Dec 23 12:34
msb_	The "leaks" have helped.	Dec 23 12:35
iophk	A lot of ground has been lost in how "leaks" have been handled.	Dec 23 12:35
iophk	Journalists are now persecuted in countries where it wasn't a problem before. (much)	Dec 23 12:36
msb_	To be expected.	Dec 23 12:36
iophk	No on absolute terms, but in the present climate, yes.	Dec 23 12:37
msb_	All the research and exposure of pandemic psychopathy in our culture: G I Gurdjieff, Wilhelm Reich, Marija Gimbutas and Riane Eisler, Stefan Verstappen, and Tony Wright.	Dec 23 12:38
msb_	All talking about the same pandemic psychopathy from different viewpoints.	Dec 23 12:39
msb_	And with the Internet, their work is accessible to everyone.	Dec 23 12:39
msb_	The Net may destroy NWO world fascism as mimeograph machines destroyed Stalinism.	Dec 23 12:40
iophk	Unless they and their corporations are able to destroy the net first. It's on a balance right now.	Dec 23 12:40
iophk	DRM, net neutrality, etc..	Dec 23 12:41
msb_	Increased affordable communication is extremely important.	Dec 23 12:41
iophk	yes	Dec 23 12:41
msb_	There are a lot of very clever programmers working on various ways to get around DRM, non-neutrality, etc.	Dec 23 12:42
msb_	Hasn't every DRM scheme ever tried ultimately been defeated.	Dec 23 12:43
msb_	I read that bittorrent accounts for either 40% or 70% of all Net traffic.	Dec 23 12:44
msb_	Information wants to be free. Human knowledge belongs to the World.	Dec 23 12:44
msb_	FSF has a project developing tiny (wall-wart I think) encrypted servers.	Dec 23 12:45
msb_	And there's the whole mesh-network thing, started by OLPC, that doesn't use the corporate Net at all.	Dec 23 12:46
msb_	I think we're at a turning point, and I think we're going to win.	Dec 23 12:51
msb_	We being the human race.	Dec 23 12:51
iophk	There are still a lot of loose ends there. Mesh is good, but landlines are centralized.	Dec 23 12:52
msb_	There are parasites at every level, from bacteria to nations. It's energetically easier to enslave and rob others than to create for oneself.	Dec 23 12:53
iophk	+1	Dec 23 12:53
msb_	Until the victims get wise and fight back.	Dec 23 12:53
iophk	Healthy systems have mechanisms to remove the parasites.	Dec 23 12:53
iophk	Or else they wither and or die.	Dec 23 12:53
msb_	Yes. And we're gradually getting healthier, understanding the problem better despite the parasites' lies, improving our immune system.	Dec 23 12:55
iophk	unless mountain-topping and fracking destroy much of the water	Dec 23 12:56
msb_	The parasites/psychopaths and their corporate media call our research "conspiracy theories". But many people see through that.	Dec 23 12:56
msb_	"There's no green there. They killed their Mother,"	Dec 23 12:58
msb_	We're going to have to fight fracking etc as we fought and stopped the Vietnam War during the 1960s-70s renaissance.	Dec 23 12:59
msb_	Back then we had cannabis and LSD that woke people up.	Dec 23 13:00
msb_	Now we have the Net. And cannabis.	Dec 23 13:01
iophk	If the privatized prisons lose the excuse of cannabis, they will turn to criminalize some other common, innocuous things.	Dec 23 13:02
iophk	Non-violent "criminals" are the most profitble to manage.	Dec 23 13:03
msb_	There's a limit to what even sheeple will put up with.	Dec 23 13:03
iophk	the limit is high when whole regions have only Faux News on the tube and Cumulus/ClearChannel on the radio.	Dec 23 13:04
iophk	Otherwise I agree.	Dec 23 13:04
msb_	And the cannabis-awakened dissidents in the '60s were the children of the brainwashed sheeple.	Dec 23 13:04
msb_	Everyone has the Net!	Dec 23 13:05
iophk	The net changes how the world can get information. Not just how but also the availability.	Dec 23 13:05
msb_	And they can now buy a computer for $60!	Dec 23 13:05
msb_	Yes!	Dec 23 13:05
msb_	A political manifesto can be concealed by steganography in a gif of Britney Spears.	Dec 23 13:06
iophk	Actually the strength of the net is that things can now be out in the open.	Dec 23 13:08
msb_	Certainly that's better, and much more accessible.	Dec 23 13:09
msb_	But if the ghouls clamp down, there are technical ways around it.	Dec 23 13:09
msb_	Line of sight infrared laser links, through cheap telescopes, is an interesting alternative to fiber and radio. Several GHz bandwidth.	Dec 23 13:11
msb_	Difficult to detect.	Dec 23 13:11
msb_	But hopefully it will not be needed.	Dec 23 13:12
msb_	Why don't the monsters just kill all the dissidents? Surely they could. They know who and where we all are.	Dec 23 13:12
iophk	Line of sight communication is not practical in most environments, including urban ones.	Dec 23 13:13
iophk	Even out in the suburbs and rural areas, towers are needed for that.	Dec 23 13:13
iophk	Best not to lose the net in the first place.	Dec 23 13:13
msb_	Either they're afraid of adverse public opinion, or they are constrained by some "rules of the game" that we don't know about.	Dec 23 13:13
msb_	As long as one house can be seen from the windows of another, a link can be set up.	Dec 23 13:15
iophk	Hence the need for towers	Dec 23 13:15
msb_	And within urban housing blocks, fiber can be run house to house, undetectably.	Dec 23 13:16
iophk	If you're that close, then sneakernet is probably better.	Dec 23 13:16
msb_	Too slow.	Dec 23 13:16
iophk	http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/12/22/cyanogenmod-is-now-installed-on-over-10-million-android-devices/	Dec 23 13:17
TechrightsBot-tr	www.androidpolice.com \| CyanogenMod Is Now Installed On Over 10 Million Android Devices [ http://ur1.ca/g8w9y ]	Dec 23 13:17
msb_	Are those ROMs full of Linux, busybox, etc?	Dec 23 13:19
iophk	Which ROMS? Some are at least.	Dec 23 13:19
msb_	CyanogenMod	Dec 23 13:20
iophk	That's Linux/Android	Dec 23 13:20
iophk	There is still the problem of the second phone CPU.	Dec 23 13:20
iophk	http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170874-the-secret-second-operating-system-that-could-make-every-mobile-phone-insecure	Dec 23 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr	www.extremetech.com \| The secret second operating system that could make every mobile phone insecure \| ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/g8wag ]	Dec 23 13:21
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod	Dec 23 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| CyanogenMod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/8th0c ]	Dec 23 13:21
msb_	Aren't the original ROMs soldered in?	Dec 23 13:21
msb_	This could lead to everyone who has a mobile phone also having a general-purpose computer and access to the Net.	Dec 23 13:27
iophk	The firmware is erasable.	Dec 23 13:28
msb_	Why? Don't they want to keep the users locked in?	Dec 23 13:30
msb_	Wow, CyanogenMod is available for free!	Dec 23 13:33
msb_	All the best software is.	Dec 23 13:34
msb_	Here's a paper I just wrote. But it's only version 1 -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/Wright,Psychopathy,Everything-everyone.001b	Dec 23 13:46
msb_	That article in extremetech is hilarious!	Dec 23 13:51
iophk	It would be a lot of work to recreate the internal OS to replace it.	Dec 23 13:52
msb_	And maybe impossible unless you open the low-level chips and trace the circuits with an electron microscope.	Dec 23 13:54
iophk	The phone makers seem happy with the current bad arrangements.	Dec 23 13:54
msb_	Another huge battleground between open and closed.	Dec 23 13:55
msb_	A white-hat hacker might be able to reprogram millions of phones with something like CyanogenMod.	Dec 23 14:03
msb_	Give everyone a huge upgrade.	Dec 23 14:03
msb_	I was going to get a USB5 socket in the back of my neck, but now I'm having second thoughts.	Dec 23 14:04
msb_	Have you seen the anime'	Dec 23 14:05
msb_	series "Ghost in the Shell" ?	Dec 23 14:05
iophk	nope	Dec 23 14:05
msb_	It's great!	Dec 23 14:05
msb_	Lots of torrents of it.	Dec 23 14:07
msb_	New series I've never heard of, with only subtitles, not dubbed (yet).	Dec 23 14:09
msb_	Cyborgs, but very human.	Dec 23 14:10
msb_	Well-drawn.	Dec 23 14:10
msb_	Cartoon Network in the US broadcasts a lot of good animes, dubbed in English.	Dec 23 14:12
msb_	What an interesting time we're living in.	Dec 23 14:14
msb_	The next generation will have it easy.	Dec 23 14:14
msb_	Or they'll be fighting Skynet terminators from underground tunnels.	Dec 23 14:14
MinceR	schestowitz_bed2: i didn't know	Dec 23 15:38
MinceR	well, i was aware of the statue, but not of the book-burning	Dec 23 15:38
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3441959	Dec 23 15:48
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Serving the boss http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/138776586960096.jpg	Dec 23 15:49
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440110	Dec 23 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "NSA abuses and dragnet data collection... BitTorrent Sync can be up to seven times faster than Dropbox." http://www.tomshardware.com/news/bittorrent-sync-nsa-dropbox-file-sharing,25319.html	Dec 23 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.tomshardware.com \| BitTorrent Sync Lands 2 Million Users [ http://ur1.ca/g8xd0 ]	Dec 23 15:56
schestowitz_bed2	"i love bittorrent so much"	Dec 23 15:56
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schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440304	Dec 23 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Theory: What If Search Engines Too Are Partly Subsidised by #NSA to Mine Our Minds?	Dec 23 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Theory: What If Search Engines Too Are Partly Subsidised by NSA to Mine Our Minds? \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g8xd2 ]	Dec 23 15:56
schestowitz_bed2	"	Dec 23 15:57
schestowitz_bed2	Microsoft itself is subsidized by continued government use of Windows, bailouts and other money, but mining is only the first step to what Microsoft's "decision engine" does. Bing is a spy, but Microsoft has Windows file indexing and daily encrypted communications to really spy on people. Bing is a propaganda machine and Microsoft has long been a willing censor.	Dec 23 15:57
schestowitz_bed2	You should note the concern Google's "Desktop Search" caused at Microsoft, when Google beat Microsoft to it. At that point, Microsoft knew their OS was redundant to the US government. This is when Microsoft really decided to kill Google.	Dec 23 15:57
schestowitz_bed2	I'm not sure how much Google was subsidized. They got start up money from private sources and were an immediate success. Their growth seems to have been self driven and well planned.	Dec 23 15:57
schestowitz_bed2	In an honest world, the Google would never have bothered with operating systems and retail internet service. They got into those because they were rightly afraid of Microsoft locking Windows users out of Google services.	Dec 23 15:57
schestowitz_bed2	"	Dec 23 15:57
schestowitz_bed2	Family members of Google's funders subsidised Google in the early days. It takes a lot of crawling and money (and lawyer fees) just to become a contender, let alone a leader. Assange published a good piece showing how close Google became to the US government.	Dec 23 15:58
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440063	Dec 23 15:59
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #intel "allowing its microprocessors to load fixes automatically when your computer starts." http://steveblank.com/2013/07/15/your-computer-may-already-be-hacked-nsa-inside/ #nsa	Dec 23 15:59
TechrightsBot-tr	-> steveblank.com \| Your Computer May Already be Hacked – NSA Inside? \| Steve Blank [ http://ur1.ca/g8xdc ]	Dec 23 15:59
schestowitz_bed2	"Very interesting, http://es.slideshare.net/endrazine/defcon-hardware-backdooring-is-practical "	Dec 23 15:59
TechrightsBot-tr	es.slideshare.net \| [Defcon] Hardware backdooring is practical [ http://ur1.ca/g8xdd ]	Dec 23 15:59
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415146964796571648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415147320536481792 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415147907931971584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415151268945223680	Dec 23 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: This Christmas don't settle for a listening device; return to store, exchange for something like a tablet http://t.co/yuVlxCCjak	Dec 23 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.extremetech.com \| The secret second operating system that could make every mobile phone insecure \| ExtremeTech	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Alternatives to #android which emerge from Android http://t.co/orD7MtOQWg Replicant even better	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.androidpolice.com \| CyanogenMod Is Now Installed On Over 10 Million Android Devices	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Russia prepared for Olympic PR stunt (expensive), so a PR stunt is desperately needed http://t.co/Nu2njEqXRD http://t.co/ymopW2SZJ5	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.voanews.com \| Pussy Riot Member: Release Is PR Stunt	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.latimes.com \| Two members of Russia punk band Pussy Riot freed from prison - latimes.com	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Fundamental Cultural Rights Must be at the Heart of #Copyright #Reform in Europe! http://t.co/gdsSeirun5 currently driven by biz	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.laquadrature.net \| Fundamental Cultural Rights Must be at the Heart of Copyright Reform in Europe! \| La Quadrature du Net	Dec 23 16:16
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415151814091485185 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415152062327164928 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415152711878053888 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415153079403954176	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Why does #russia use #microsoft despite Microsoft being the NSA's best friend? It's simple, it sleeps w/ everyone. http://t.co/vI0AieoCqm	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.humanrightsfirst.org \| New Report: Microsoft and abuse of antipiracy laws in Russia \| Human Rights First	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Copyright law is one tool among several that can be used for selective enforcement (jail). Selective application of blackmail another tool.	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #microsoft + #kgb #putin = control http://t.co/7VbU8lpLlx http://t.co/PKRgjFQBFe http://t.co/sRAkQlfngo http://t.co/g390L6S1DK	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.thenewstribe.com \| Russia to charge Greenpeace activists with piracy \| The News Tribe	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Microsoft in Russia - Techrights	Dec 23 16:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #microsoft knows that Power has no borders (class wars' borders are financial), so it approaches govs, offers power over the majority of ppl	Dec 23 16:16
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415153731186229248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415154035445227520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415154478636363776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415155049422413825	Dec 23 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Texting https://t.co/6O9PTjHsgv	Dec 23 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "new study" https://t.co/EBGhIyXk1Q	Dec 23 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Gaming numbers: West pretends life expectancy will soar (promoting pension fiction), basing it on statistics of omission, like in employment	Dec 23 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Balancing the abacus: obesity, cancer up, so factor in child mortality, omit 'premature' death. Salaries down, count 10 hr/week as "working"	Dec 23 16:46
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3442852	Dec 23 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Copyright law is one tool among several that can be used for selective enforcement (jail). Selective application of blackmail another tool.	Dec 23 16:51
schestowitz_bed2	"Not to mention crimes like fraud and money laundering."	Dec 23 16:51
schestowitz_bed2	They're "petty crimes" and worthy of amnesty of government slap on wrist when done in huge scales	Dec 23 16:51
schestowitz_bed2	"That's the problem, that it's selective.maybe Justice is not blind after all."	Dec 23 16:52
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415161640334921729 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415163584126398465 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164083290517504 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164222826614784	Dec 23 17:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Microlinux Enterprise Desktop 14.1 MATE http://t.co/Qk3D4Vhao0 #gnu #linux	Dec 23 17:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.microlinux.fr \| Microlinux Enterprise Desktop 14.1 MATE	Dec 23 17:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Links 23/12/2013: Games for #gnu #linux http://t.co/cjZjdCRBpW so that nobody gets bores in the coming week(s)	Dec 23 17:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Links 23/12/2013: Games \| Techrights	Dec 23 17:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #RSA acknowledges working with the #nsa (and then tries to spin). RSA is dead. It caused a lot of damage though, taking many down with it.	Dec 23 17:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: The year the NSA hacked the world: A 2013 PRISM timeline (Part II) http://t.co/kPMAIw5VTo #nsa #prism #collusion	Dec 23 17:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.itproportal.com \| The year the NSA hacked the world: A 2013 PRISM timeline (Part II) \| ITProPortal.com	Dec 23 17:06
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164630882074624 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164811581067264 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415165257964085248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415165433902534656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415165882416250880	Dec 23 17:07
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Using an event to embark on a campaign of limitless industrial and political #espionage http://t.co/IX2JPaMOP2	Dec 23 17:07
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.techweekeurope.co.uk \| Declassified Documents Prove 9/11 Led To Mass NSA Surveillance	Dec 23 17:07
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Obama - so much for 'reform' and 'change' http://t.co/Ww7NedR6Eb	Dec 23 17:07
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.pcadvisor.co.uk \| U.S. government moves to block further litigation in NSA surveillance cases - PC Advisor	Dec 23 17:07
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: 12 years after an event the man who wanted to classify Wikipedia "terrorism" uses more rhetoric and lies http://t.co/o3RfeKqgFr	Dec 23 17:07
TechrightsBot-tr	-> washington.cbslocal.com \| Rep. King: NSA Metadata Could Have Prevented 9/11 Attacks « CBS DC	Dec 23 17:07
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #CBS must feel better now; it can publish #propaganda without fearing that the public will reveal its agenda; the public already knows.	Dec 23 17:07
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Is #bloomberg writing #propaganda pieces for #microsoft now? http://t.co/XG3JUqs09p	Dec 23 17:07
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.bloomberg.com \| Data Are Money for Google to Yahoo Asking NSA to Back Off - Bloomberg	Dec 23 17:07
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3443070	Dec 23 17:10
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 12 years after an event the man who wanted to classify Wikipedia "terrorism" uses more rhetoric and lies http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/12/23/rep-king-nsa-metadata-could-have-prevented-911-attacks/	Dec 23 17:10
schestowitz_bed2	"They take the passport off Snowden - this seems to stop people. Maybe if they had taken the passports off the Terrorists * or better still not handed them out in Jedha Saudi Arabia ........ With a Top Official demanding they not be handed them maybe that would also have saved many lives .......... The systems are there to stop things happening and data is only used after an event .... Proof Boston .........."	Dec 23 17:10
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415167279945756672 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415167602353504256 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415167775280472065	Dec 23 17:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Remotely controlled Hellfire missiles shot at buildings and cars with unarmed civilians. Guess who gets called "militant".	Dec 23 17:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: 5PM. People are going back home (or away) for a while. Let's see if, like last year, #obama takes advantage, bombs 'militants' every 2 days	Dec 23 17:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Drones 2.0, B52 edition http://t.co/a2n5TCrNa0	Dec 23 17:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> qz.com \| This is the lethal electronic kit that changed Colombia’s history – Quartz	Dec 23 17:16
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415168249735946240	Dec 23 17:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Obama Run Amuck http://t.co/yg2Vg32sIp "Kill, kill, kill, profess no knowledge of the killing, throw a curtain of extreme secrecy"	Dec 23 17:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.counterpunch.org \| Obama Run Amuck » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names	Dec 23 17:16
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415168814310240257	Dec 23 17:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #LinuxMint 16 #KDE and #Xfce released http://t.co/Y4lr1JHukj	Dec 23 17:19
TechrightsBot-tr	-> m.itworld.com \| Linux Mint 16 KDE and Xfce released \| ITworld	Dec 23 17:19
DaemonFC	going back to bed	Dec 23 17:19
DaemonFC	Tim took us out to Bob Evans for breakfast....	Dec 23 17:19
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 23 17:19
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schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3442778	Dec 23 17:21
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This Christmas don't settle for a listening device; return to store, exchange for something like a tablet http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170874-the-secret-second-operating-system-that-could-make-every-mobile-phone-insecure	Dec 23 17:21
schestowitz_bed2	"And what of tablets which include integrated SIM capability? I suppose you could eject the SIM, but aren't you basically just dealing with a larger phone?"	Dec 23 17:21
MinceR	you could eject the sim from a mobile phone too	Dec 23 17:21
MinceR	same thing	Dec 23 17:21
schestowitz_bed2	"If the tablet has a SIM, then it also has that 'secondary operating system'. Most tablets lack a phone function, but they still have microphones and a radio internet link. Might be a good idea to verify that the tablet you are buying has only WiFi ..."	Dec 23 17:22
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440036	Dec 23 17:22
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This Christmas the #uk is becoming part of PRC, policy-wise http://pseudomonas.dreamwidth.org/120535.html	Dec 23 17:22
TechrightsBot-tr	-> pseudomonas.dreamwidth.org \| pseudomonas \| O2 vs Wikipedia - a quick look inside the minds of the folks who build the blockers. [ http://ur1.ca/g8xuh ]	Dec 23 17:22
schestowitz_bed2	We should not believe the O2 filtering page but the news is consistent with NSA programs to spy and blackmail. If they have built a great firewall of china that can filter everyone's surfing, no one can be sure their traffic is unfiltered. We can assume that the list is incomplete, so that truly forbidden pages are made invisible. We should not believe the O2 filtering page but the news is consistent with NSA programs to spy and	Dec 23 17:22
schestowitz_bed2	blackmail. If they have built a great firewall of china that can filter everyone's surfing, no one can be sure their traffic is unfiltered. We can assume that the list is incomplete, so that truly forbidden pages are made invisible. That the system also records every click, and flags attempts to access porn and other embarrassing pages, is consistent with NSA objectives. Big Brother is a cooperative arrangement but our oligarchy	Dec 23 17:22
schestowitz_bed2	is not collective."That the system also records every click, and flags attempts to access porn and other embarrassing pages, is consistent with NSA objectives. Big Brother is a cooperative arrangement but our oligarchy is not collective.	Dec 23 17:22
schestowitz_bed2	MinceR: yeah, well, some tablets have 3g	Dec 23 17:22
schestowitz_bed2	I don't like those	Dec 23 17:22
schestowitz_bed2	it's not a feature	Dec 23 17:22
MinceR	neither do i	Dec 23 17:22
MinceR	it's a feature, but there's more bad to it than good	Dec 23 17:23
iophk	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25497013	Dec 23 17:33
TechrightsBot-tr	www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - AK47 assault rifle inventor Kalashnikov dies at 94 [ http://ur1.ca/g8xwv ]	Dec 23 17:33
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Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-nxemBCcmU	Dec 23 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| DEF CON 21 - Karl Koscher and Eric Butler - The Secret Life of SIM Cards - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8y5c ]	Dec 23 18:31
Sosumi	SIM application aka applets can be SILENTLY installed by the carrier (or someone posing as the carrier if he has the OTA key)	Dec 23 18:40
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msb_	Perhaps it is impossible to hide anything from the governments/World-Fascism/NWO. Then the solution is to wake up enough people to reality, organize publicly, openly. And stop cooperating with the corporations and their governments.	Dec 23 19:08
msb_	Stop thinking and writing that Obama is a liberal, and recognize publicly that he is a Fascist psychopath who pretends to be a liberal, using is dark skin as a disguise.	Dec 23 19:10
msb_	is -> his	Dec 23 19:10
msb_	That article in CounterPunch is great. Thanks, Roy!	Dec 23 19:11
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roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415186368693010432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415200962589253632 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415201705970913280	Dec 23 19:38
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Pre-Christmas photos just uploaded http://t.co/xxHixIUIG0	Dec 23 19:38
TechrightsBot-tr	-> schestowitz.com \| Pre-Christmas	Dec 23 19:38
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Damn oxygen https://t.co/hsFb1rppQR ask #fox 'news' why we need "plant food" (C02)	Dec 23 19:38
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: The #cia was not always killing "rebels" in #colombia - just like in #syria when the leadership does not serve the Empire, CIA arms "rebels"	Dec 23 19:38
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415202362001997824 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415203759569240065	Dec 23 19:39
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Back to black. Remember when German police wore green? http://t.co/emYcVc2Ndc	Dec 23 19:39
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Sending "gear" -- not food -- to #sudan http://t.co/D5XhWQFKVg	Dec 23 19:39
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.marinecorpstimes.com \| Army sends troops to South Sudan, gear to African Union \| Marine Corps Times \| marinecorpstimes.com	Dec 23 19:39
iophk	revisionism - it was doing well until Elop : http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/12/22/finland-oulu-idINDEE9BL04020131222	Dec 23 19:50
TechrightsBot-tr	in.reuters.com \| Finnish city Oulu sees light at end of Nokia tunnel \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/g8yhy ]	Dec 23 19:50
roy_	Ah, that revisionism	Dec 23 19:56
roy_	don't worry, if you put your mind to it, you can change history	Dec 23 19:56
roy_	time works in your favour	Dec 23 19:56
roy_	because people don't have good memories, and at times the first-hand witnesses simply due	Dec 23 19:56
roy_	*die	Dec 23 19:56
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415204852005101568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415205827528884224 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415206384750559233 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415206913870430208	Dec 23 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: A merry Christmas to #snowden from those who committed the crimes (whistleblowing!=crime) http://t.co/o6iMzeMQz5 http://t.co/vVbuwVcS7q	Dec 23 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	-> swampland.time.com \| NSA Leakers: Edward Snowden Doesn't 'Deserve Amnesty,' Susan Rice Says \| TIME.com	Dec 23 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.upi.com \| NSA's Rice: Snowden should 'come back and face justice' - UPI.com	Dec 23 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Remember when Bezos, who gets half a billion from the #cia bought the paper #washpo - already notorious for CIA ties? http://t.co/W083PA1eXu	Dec 23 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.washingtonpost.com \| NSA paranoia: Enough already	Dec 23 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Obeying the law? Manana http://t.co/UPcO8es6tg	Dec 23 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.digitaltrends.com \| Obama to make a "definitive statement" on NSA spying in January \| Digital Trends	Dec 23 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Galloway: "I believe that the British State has essentially rented itself out" to #nsa http://t.co/y28WzsC9c7 #surveillance	Dec 23 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	-> voiceofrussia.com \| UK’s GCHQ doing the NSA's heavy lifting – George Galloway - News - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video	Dec 23 19:58
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415207395301019648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415207876333150208 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415208321810178048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415208680087642112	Dec 23 19:59
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "Special Collecting Services (SCS) "listening posts" in more than 80 cities worldwide, including Beijing, Shanghai.." http://t.co/7hJ4ilVX8H	Dec 23 19:59
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.atimes.com \| Asia Times Online :: US tech firms hit by NSA revelations	Dec 23 19:59
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #espionage torpedoes fair competition -- value I've stood for all along. This is competition abuse. Who's spied on by NSA? #EU regulators.	Dec 23 19:59
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Tears of hypocrites: Silicon valley (and Washington) firms like Apple and Boeing whining about loss of sales after enjoying #nsa #espionage	Dec 23 19:59
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Crocodile tears: #nsa says that leaks hurt, just as #cia says that terrorism is bad when it actually makes them seem more necessary ($$)	Dec 23 19:59
roy_	https://twitter.com/NavinChauhan/status/415197586094432256	Dec 23 20:00
TechrightsBot-tr	No message found	Dec 23 20:00
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 23 20:09
MinceR	hay	Dec 23 20:09
sebsebseb	MinceR: hi	Dec 23 20:10
sebsebseb	bored	Dec 23 20:10
roy_	ah	Dec 23 20:17
roy_	get games then	Dec 23 20:17
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415209824604143616 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415210966746669056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415212002978824192	Dec 23 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: When you put a bounty on snakes you make an incentive for people to breed more snakes to 'kill'. Same with #cia and terrorists.	Dec 23 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: In Reykjavík (Iceland), the 'pirate' politicians rise to double-digit (%) representation http://t.co/z2nEHRKG8a ... https://t.co/tUBx4xIXZe	Dec 23 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.ruv.is \| Framsókn og Píratar bæta ögn við fylgi \| RÚV	Dec 23 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr	-> joindiaspora.com \| In Reykjavík (Ice...	Dec 23 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: “We exchanged dollars. We each still had one dollar. Then I met a man with an idea. We exchanged ideas. Now we each have two ideas.”	Dec 23 20:18
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415212152728072192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415212491539771393 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415213618918350848	Dec 23 20:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Schadenfreude https://t.co/Sd646D1INr	Dec 23 20:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Michael Parenti: The US Empire Sees Only Two Kinds of Countries: Satellites or Enemies http://t.co/6nwVb31vQF seems accurate	Dec 23 20:19
TechrightsBot-tr	-> dandelionsalad.wordpress.com \| Michael Parenti: The US Empire Sees Only Two Kinds of Countries: Satellites or Enemies \| Dandelion Salad	Dec 23 20:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Changing minds https://t.co/fL53DLPFlr	Dec 23 20:19
roy_	http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-sotomayor-undermined-obamas-nsa	Dec 23 20:32
TechrightsBot-tr	www.msnbc.com \| How Sotomayor undermined Obama's NSA \| MSNBC [ http://ur1.ca/g8yq6 ]	Dec 23 20:32
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415218300495593472 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415218832677281793 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415219191130882048	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "Israel has sometimes joined the US in electronic spying on others" http://t.co/JsxsR1kUIB not just spying; military contracts also	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.turkishweekly.net \| Analysis: Why has Netanyahu been silent over NSA spying on Israel?, 23 December 2013	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: When nations say that they "need" the colonists they have Stockholm Syndrome and what they often mean is, "we are afraid to disobey"	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #cbs calls "puff piece" journalism http://t.co/987AmPriaG shows how "professional" reporters became agents of PR	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.mediaite.com \| 60 Minutes Reporter Lambasts Critics of NSA Piece: They Want ‘Televised Drama,’ Not Journalism \| Mediaite	Dec 23 20:46
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415219919694102529 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415220558427865089 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415221142048493569	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Changing history about #snowden http://t.co/rOHvAqwbWK because he seeks asylum/protection from the US http://t.co/0dOizeymOw	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.opposingviews.com \| Rep. Mike Rogers Falsely Claims Edward Snowden Traded NSA Documents for 'Personal Gain'	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	-> rt.com \| NO TITLE	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Politicians who want to survive in the business don't mess with the #nsa and its #empire (blackmail and smears ensue) http://t.co/KRJBs0OckB	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.theinquirer.net \| US military propaganda team busted- The Inquirer	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Maybe this is why many politicians don't step forward and criticise the #nsa as much as they wish to http://t.co/31P0W4kmhB	Dec 23 20:46
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - NSA 'planned to discredit radicals over web-porn use'	Dec 23 20:46
iophk	http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9244953/Microsoft_to_face_computer_makers_rebellion_at_CES	Dec 23 21:01
TechrightsBot-tr	www.computerworld.com \| Microsoft to face computer makers' rebellion at CES [ http://ur1.ca/g8ytn ]	Dec 23 21:01
iophk	trying to push Android-in-VM or dual-booting instead of raw Android. M$ Jack was pushing dual-boot, too, so it must be the new party line.	Dec 23 21:01
iophk	Again, restricted boot is a big barrier for home installation.	Dec 23 21:02
MinceR	interesting how they didn't want dual boot when they had the upper hand	Dec 23 21:03
MinceR	even breaking the boot loader just so they could have total control over the PC	Dec 23 21:03
iophk	"M$, too" (tm)	Dec 23 21:03
iophk	It's how they got into the market in the first place.	Dec 23 21:03
iophk	There was some Comes V M$ exhibit about "equal time" or something like that. This is more of the same.	Dec 23 21:04
roy_	didn't it want to boot with os2?	Dec 23 21:04
roy_	I recall something along those lines	Dec 23 21:04
roy_	Then there was BeOS	Dec 23 21:04
roy_	!google controls the bootloader glasse	Dec 23 21:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Exploiting a Bug in Google's Glass - Jay Freeman (saurik) \| http://www.saurik.com/id/16	Dec 23 21:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Google Releases Glass Factory System Image, Rooted Bootloader ... \| http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/05/24/2214208/google-releases-glass-factory-system-image-rooted-bootloader	Dec 23 21:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - AN86526 - PSoC® 4 I2C Bootloader - Cypress \| http://www.cypress.com/%3FrID%3D83293	Dec 23 21:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - AN84401 - PSoC® 3 and PSoC 5LP SPI Bootloader - Cypress \| http://www.cypress.com/%3FrID%3D78703	Dec 23 21:04
roy_	gasse?	Dec 23 21:05
MinceR	gassee	Dec 23 21:05
iophk	Obviously M$ is aiming for the VM options because it guarantees the poorest experience for Android use.	Dec 23 21:05
MinceR	it also guarantees total control over the machine for m$	Dec 23 21:05
iophk	Keizer	Dec 23 21:05
roy_	he's OK	Dec 23 21:05
MinceR	(and pushing arbitrary code to it via winblows update)	Dec 23 21:05
roy_	Although the other day he pushed some Windows agenda	Dec 23 21:05
iophk	os2 was before dual booting	Dec 23 21:06
roy_	saying to MS, extend WinXP support deadlin	Dec 23 21:06
roy_	usually he slams Microsoft fot security flaws	Dec 23 21:06
iophk	the article about that was "he who controls the bootloader"	Dec 23 21:06
roy_	when Microsoft wants boot, it means giving the boot to competition	Dec 23 21:07
roy_	disguised as "choice" or "not ANTI-Microsoft"	Dec 23 21:07
iophk	But I was thinking of some Iowa exhibit where M$ demanded "equal time" which always played out to be the lion's share of the time.	Dec 23 21:07
roy_	That's how b0ng is marketed	Dec 23 21:07
iophk	and resources	Dec 23 21:07
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415224805659795457 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415225175706464257	Dec 23 21:08
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: How Docker turned intricate Linux code into developer pixie dust http://t.co/3zky8WGo5A #docker #linux #gnu	Dec 23 21:08
roy_	bbl	Dec 23 21:08
TechrightsBot-tr	-> venturebeat.com \| How Docker turned intricate Linux code into developer pixie dust \| VentureBeat \| Cloud \| by Jordan Novet	Dec 23 21:08
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Linux 3.13-rc5 released http://t.co/JeJuzeFt9V	Dec 23 21:08
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.techienews.co.uk \| Linux 3.13-rc5 releasedTechie News	Dec 23 21:08
iophk	http://bsdly.blogspot.fi/2013/12/the-uk-porn-filter-blocks-kids-access.html	Dec 23 21:17
TechrightsBot-tr	bsdly.blogspot.fi \| That grumpy BSD guy: The UK "Porn" Filter Blocks Kids' Access To Tech, Civil Liberties Websites [ http://ur1.ca/g8yvw ]	Dec 23 21:17
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 23 21:29
iophk	http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/william-morris-endeavor-hires-former-microsoft-finance-chief/	Dec 23 21:55
TechrightsBot-tr	Couldn't resolve host 'http:' ( status 0 @ http:////www-nc.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/william-morris-endeavor-hires-former-microsoft-finance-chief/?=_r=6& )	Dec 23 21:55
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Sosumi	I'be been reading a couple of the new mac pro reviews	Dec 23 23:33
Sosumi	to the point I'm starting to think that crapple paid those reviewer to give it a good score	Dec 23 23:33
Sosumi	hey an already crippled computer that you can't change any component	Dec 23 23:34
Sosumi	but you can add that new gpu through thunderbolt!	Dec 23 23:35
Sosumi	provided there is a driver and the box for the gpu costs as much as the gpu itself	Dec 23 23:35
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Sosumi	and ofc thunderbolt doesn't have the same bandwidth of pcie, etc	Dec 23 23:36
Sosumi	and I'm pointing at the verge review, pcmag...	Dec 23 23:37
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MinceR	gn	Dec 24 01:30
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icecrawler	hello	Dec 24 03:40
icecrawler	where are the machines	Dec 24 03:42
icecrawler	hey fewt mother fucker	Dec 24 03:43
icecrawler	when is fuduntu getting an updated kernel you son of a bitch?	Dec 24 03:44
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icecrawler	the nvidia is outdated tooo	Dec 24 03:46
schestowitz_bed2	watch the language please	Dec 24 03:49
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icecrawler	its english	Dec 24 03:50
schestowitz	it's rude	Dec 24 03:51
icecrawler	it could be considered rude if you're a wanker who ain't appreciate colourful metaphore	Dec 24 03:54
icecrawler	i talk like dis to fewt all the time my main man	Dec 24 03:54
icecrawler	schestowitz, you is Roy?	Dec 24 03:55
icecrawler	fewt told me you were one brill motherfucker	Dec 24 03:57
icecrawler	sticking it to the microsoft system machine	Dec 24 03:57
icecrawler	he said you killed novell	Dec 24 03:57
icecrawler	when he gave me this computer machine he told me if i had problems that i should log into mirc and chat with him on freenood	Dec 24 04:08
icecrawler	but roy its funny how when novell bought suse you threw a chair like ballmar	Dec 24 04:08
icecrawler	i know it was in a parody but thats amazing bro	Dec 24 04:08
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icecrawler	tell that motherfucker ballmar and his sweatstains to back off and get your own sangwich	Dec 24 04:09
schestowitz	Microsoft is no longer a big threat as it was when Novell signed the deal	Dec 24 04:13
schestowitz	In 2006 and 2007 Microsoft was more dangerous, now there are bigger issues. Android has since then crushed some common FUD, too.	Dec 24 04:13
icecrawler	yeah the surface machines are so expensive	Dec 24 04:15
icecrawler	i got an android machine its mips and it was like 50 beans	Dec 24 04:15
icecrawler	it does like 1080p and i hooked it up to the tv machine and revolution os never looked so good	Dec 24 04:17
schestowitz	Microsoft is the one begging for dual-boot now (on Linux/Android-only machines)	Dec 24 04:18
icecrawler	dual boot for phone machines?	Dec 24 04:19
icecrawler	those mother fuckers	Dec 24 04:19
icecrawler	i cant seem to grasp dis idea of using two operating system machines on one phone	Dec 24 04:20
schestowitz	it's standard practice	Dec 24 04:21
schestowitz	But I was referring to tablets and Chromebooks - that type of thing	Dec 24 04:21
schestowitz	on phones they might wish to triple boot	Dec 24 04:22
icecrawler	what	Dec 24 04:22
schestowitz	there are at least 2 OSes on almost every phone	Dec 24 04:22
icecrawler	why would anyone want to do that retarded shit? one os is enuff	Dec 24 04:23
schestowitz	one if there to take over the other, but it's marketed for other purposes	Dec 24 04:23
schestowitz	!google second OS phone nsa listening device	Dec 24 04:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Cell Phone Manufacturers Offer Carefully Worded Denials To ... \| http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20131112/10434625217/cell-phone-manufacturers-offer-carefully-worded-denials-to-question-whether-nsa-can-track-powered-down-cell-phones.shtml	Dec 24 04:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - The Second Operating System Hiding In Every Mobile Phone ... \| http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0237214/the-second-operating-system-hiding-in-every-mobile-phone	Dec 24 04:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - The SINGLE Most Important Step to Protect Yourself from ... \| http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/the-single-most-important-step-to-protect-yourself-from-government-spying.html	Dec 24 04:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - The second operating system hiding in every mobile phone - OSNews \| http://www.osnews.com/story/27416	Dec 24 04:23
icecrawler	i know theres the jewOS recording machine	Dec 24 04:23
icecrawler	theres the firmware bios system	Dec 24 04:23
icecrawler	fewt was telling me he has tinfoil in his cell phone holster to stop tracking	Dec 24 04:24
icecrawler	that dumb son of a bitch didnt fucking remember that it'll stop his calls too	Dec 24 04:25
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage	Dec 24 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| Faraday cage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g90kh ]	Dec 24 04:25
schestowitz	tinfoil got caught up in stereotypes	Dec 24 04:25
schestowitz	he can still make calls	Dec 24 04:26
schestowitz	but wants to disable the phone's tracking functionality without taking out the batteries, I assume	Dec 24 04:26
schestowitz	of course it might also prevent him from /receiving/ calls	Dec 24 04:26
icecrawler	yeah when its not in the holster	Dec 24 04:26
icecrawler	every time he went to test the incoming he would pull the god damn phone out and i'd call and it would ring	Dec 24 04:27
schestowitz	why would he be an NSA "target"	Dec 24 04:27
icecrawler	he could place calls too	Dec 24 04:27
schestowitz	he makes a distro derivative of Ubuntu, it's not as though he strips back doors off it	Dec 24 04:27
icecrawler	yeah it just stopped him from receiving calls when it was in the holster	Dec 24 04:27
icecrawler	its not just fuduntu though its what he says in real life	Dec 24 04:27
schestowitz	I can see why Mark S would be a "target" (meaning they identify him as dangerous because he has power) and GCHQ would keep close eye on everything he does, who he speaks to, what s/w he promotes, etc.	Dec 24 04:28
icecrawler	hes real bro, talks some serious shit that the gov't is scared of man	Dec 24 04:28
schestowitz	So do I, so I just don't carry a phone, my wife does	Dec 24 04:29
schestowitz	face-to-face chats with interesting people cannot be recorded	Dec 24 04:29
schestowitz	NSA/GCHQ hate the AFK personalities, they can't even name the people whom they speak to	Dec 24 04:30
icecrawler	fewt knows some serious people too bro, his friends know alex jones and hes related to Bill Cooper who got killed by police	Dec 24 04:30
icecrawler	fewt was over at my crib buying gold when he gave me this computer machine with fuduntu	Dec 24 04:31
icecrawler	do you buy iodized silver?	Dec 24 04:31
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schestowitz	No, I don't believe in the value of high-cost commodities	Dec 24 04:32
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schestowitz	For now, the British govt. says it can insure savings of up to 86k per person	Dec 24 04:32
schestowitz	I don't exceed that amount and the assurance seems safe enough that tolerating interest less than inflation rare is possible	Dec 24 04:33
icecrawler	what about colloidal silver? its pretty fucking bomb for healing bro	Dec 24 04:33
schestowitz	where would you collect metals?	Dec 24 04:33
schestowitz	Many people store it at banks	Dec 24 04:33
icecrawler	you get cancer and shit, you take that for a little while with some vinager and onions	Dec 24 04:34
icecrawler	mmmmmmm mmmmm, cancer gone	Dec 24 04:34
schestowitz	so they have the very same issues savers have, it can be used to back up for borrowers, you could do a run on the bank by demanding back metals	Dec 24 04:34
icecrawler	metal is kind of heavy too bro	Dec 24 04:34
schestowitz	ok, now I just think you're making fun	Dec 24 04:35
icecrawler	i sold this big ass brick to this motherfucker and it dropped it on my toes	Dec 24 04:35
icecrawler	it hurt like a bitch	Dec 24 04:35
schestowitz	or maybe taking that alcoholic nog a day too early	Dec 24 04:35
icecrawler	you ever take hits of nitrogen?	Dec 24 04:35
icecrawler	that shit will get you fucked up and its not illegal	Dec 24 04:37
schestowitz	killing oneself is not illegal, yet it's not recommended, either	Dec 24 04:38
schestowitz	laws of nature are not "laws" in the same way that "rules" of some people in positions of power are	Dec 24 04:39
icecrawler	i got to parties with a tire full of nitrogen and people take hits and we have these wild sex orgies where woman take off their shirts and show their sexual organs	Dec 24 04:42
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schestowitz	I think you're just trying to discredit the platform by interjecting insults and potentially offensive messages	Dec 24 04:58
icecrawler	discredit what platform	Dec 24 04:59
icecrawler	techrights stance that 9/11 was an inside job and that the thermite plasma used by CIA operative Osama Bin Laden was created in the US Gov't's own Studio54	Dec 24 05:01
icecrawler	using colourful metaphores with my main man fewt the son of a bitch understands is nothing compared to the weird shit going on here normally	Dec 24 05:02
schestowitz	that's not the site's stance at all, you're just trolling now	Dec 24 05:02
icecrawler	fewt warned me about idling here when hes not around	Dec 24 05:02
schestowitz	lates	Dec 24 05:02
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icecrawler	see ya later naziwitz the jew hater	Dec 24 05:18
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schestowitz	troll in LKML	Dec 24 07:20
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTI	Dec 24 07:20
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Linux Developers Asked To Distance Themselves From RMS [ http://ur1.ca/g9170 ]	Dec 24 07:20
schestowitz	Not a developer at al	Dec 24 07:20
schestowitz	just another person among many who tries to demonise RMS	Dec 24 07:20
schestowitz	Slow news day at Phoronix	Dec 24 07:20
schestowitz	Citing trolls and calling them "developers" even though there's no record as such	Dec 24 07:21
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Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-23/thyroid-cancers-surge-among-young-fukushima	Dec 24 09:29
TechrightsBot-tr	www.zerohedge.com \| Thyroid Cancers Surge Among Fukushima Youths \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g91x2 ]	Dec 24 09:29
Sosumi	Japan is now the go to for post-apocalyptic tourism	Dec 24 09:30
Sosumi	and they're actually making sure that it is that way	Dec 24 09:31
Sosumi	burning radioactive debris and dumping some of it in tokyo bay	Dec 24 09:31
Sosumi	also, sony using LLVM/clang on the ps4	Dec 24 09:34
Sosumi	but if you think that the ps4 or in this case, sony, is friendly to the ideals of free software, you're mistaken	Dec 24 09:35
iophk	Sony made their position clear when they revoked Linux use from the PS3.	Dec 24 09:36
Sosumi	sony even went to lenghts of crippling the PS4 audio cd functionality in order to pigeon hole ppl into their "music anywhere" "cloud" service	Dec 24 09:36
Sosumi	YES!	Dec 24 09:36
Sosumi	they also kind of killed some easy profit for fixxtars	Dec 24 09:37
Sosumi	and I doubt you'll find any decent music on their service	Dec 24 09:38
Sosumi	what? justin beaver? bouncee? cyley mirus? the singing walrus?	Dec 24 09:39
roy_	iophk:	Dec 24 09:54
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> troll in LKML	Dec 24 09:54
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTI	Dec 24 09:54
roy_	[07:18] <TechrightsBot-tr> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Linux Developers Asked To Distance Themselves From RMS [ http://ur1.ca/g9170 ]	Dec 24 09:54
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> Not a developer at al	Dec 24 09:54
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> just another person among many who tries to demonise RMS	Dec 24 09:54
roy_	[07:19] <schestowitz> Slow news day at Phoronix	Dec 24 09:54
roy_	See the comments	Dec 24 09:54
roy_	popcorn company :-)	Dec 24 09:54
roy_	I finally download about a gig of videos with RMS just now, ready for editing soon	Dec 24 09:55
roy_	After I do the tuxmachines and IRC log tasks	Dec 24 09:55
roy_	iophk: Sony are not the worst on the planet	Dec 24 10:17
roy_	they use a lot of Linux, still, and there's no signn og them paying MSFT for it	Dec 24 10:17
roy_	However, they sue other companies over Android	Dec 24 10:17
iophk	Yeah, it's mixed.	Dec 24 10:18
roy_	Bashing Son't Linux products is an exercise in futility, IMHO	Dec 24 10:18
iophk	Not paying M$ is a good sign.	Dec 24 10:18
iophk	Not bashing, AFAIK	Dec 24 10:18
roy_	conflicts with others	Dec 24 10:18
roy_	I think that Sony still like UNIX in the engineering side	Dec 24 10:18
iophk	But the revoking of Linux use on the PS3 was a dirty trick.	Dec 24 10:18
roy_	But they left Linux due to fear of broken 'precious' locks	Dec 24 10:19
roy_	I am not sure I can recall what motivated Sony at the time	Dec 24 10:19
iophk	I'm not sure they said publicly.	Dec 24 10:19
iophk	The PS3 was getting popular for clusters.	Dec 24 10:19
roy_	I think many developers got very close to unlocking the full potential of the h/w such that you wouldn't rent any games, just take the razor handle	Dec 24 10:20
iophk	Medicing, physics, military and others were all buying them up.	Dec 24 10:20
roy_	Maybe it was subsidised, sold at a loss to 'sell' (rent) binaries	Dec 24 10:20
iophk	Possible.	Dec 24 10:20
roy_	and if millions were sold (given) without any rentals, then that makes it harder for Sony to keep the cost down (subsidies)	Dec 24 10:21
iophk	That was one possible explanation, but no word direct from Sony on that.	Dec 24 10:21
roy_	Sony is Japanese	Dec 24 10:21
roy_	They don't talk muchj	Dec 24 10:21
roy_	Not extrovert types, not even the companies	Dec 24 10:21
roy_	the most they expose is some girls grouching over devices and Japanese cars	Dec 24 10:22
roy_	It's Microsoft that goes over the limits by bribing, doing mock funerals, etc.	Dec 24 10:22
roy_	Sony must have known that telling the true reason would be worse thanns aaying nothihg at all	Dec 24 10:23
iophk	(The Phoronix article is disturbing. They should not have given a platform for what is clearly a troll. What might have been worthy of an article would be tracing the troll back to M$ via money or whatever.)	Dec 24 10:23
roy_	yeah	Dec 24 10:23
roy_	My wife was next to me showing it and asking, should I post this?	Dec 24 10:23
roy_	Then i looked at the source	Dec 24 10:23
roy_	Worrying it was Torvalds	Dec 24 10:23
roy_	But it was some name I never heard of	Dec 24 10:23
roy_	See the Phoronix comments	Dec 24 10:24
iophk	No one has heard of him apparently.	Dec 24 10:24
iophk	It is a classic troll.	Dec 24 10:24
roy_	Larabel does not hate the FSF, but he's bi huge fan either	Dec 24 10:24
roy_	So borrowing a troll helps, esp. when it's such a slow news day and Phoronix is his main/only source of income	Dec 24 10:24
roy_	He's not guaranteed flat income, so December is harder	Dec 24 10:24
roy_	The troll was also quite rude, look at the language	Dec 24 10:24
iophk	It lowers Phoronix about 2 notches, at least, in my eyes.	Dec 24 10:25
roy_	David Trollinger and Van Hoof were at least a little police, but deceptive	Dec 24 10:25
roy_	I will tell him, I'm always in his IRC channe	Dec 24 10:25
iophk	I've only looked at the phoronix article not the email it presumably links to	Dec 24 10:25
iophk	An investigation into the troll's funding would be interesting.	Dec 24 10:26
roy_	odd... he's not in his IRC channel	Dec 24 10:26
iophk	There's probably a tie to M$, not directly but via a contractor.	Dec 24 10:26
roy_	He has always been there when I checked	Dec 24 10:26
roy_	I checked the nicklist to see if he uses another name	Dec 24 10:26
roy_	I will tweet him instead	Dec 24 10:26
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415428202505334784	Dec 24 10:28
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: .@michaellarabel I understand it's a slow news day, but giving a platform to typical anti-RMS troll is lowering the status of #phoronix IMHO	Dec 24 10:28
roy_	I have just unloaded a gigabyte of new RMS videos. I will edit them very soon and release in 2014. Rare questions, interesting answers.	Dec 24 10:29
iophk	Cool.	Dec 24 10:30
iophk	Seems last updated Dec 2012: http://perens.com/business/kiloboot	Dec 24 10:30
TechrightsBot-tr	perens.com \| Kiloboot: Bruce Perens' Latest Start-Up Company.	Dec 24 10:30
roy_	He has not got much impact anymore	Dec 24 10:30
iophk	Not really. He's doing other things.	Dec 24 10:31
roy_	I reckon he focuses on his son Stanley and works for some company or entity that's working quietly with gov. dept. (avoiding unanted attention by the Proprietary Cult)	Dec 24 10:31
roy_	I can't even talk about what I do at work for this reason	Dec 24 10:31
roy_	Last night Drupal, GNU/Linux, Icinga, Puppet, and JBOSS	Dec 24 10:32
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roy_	https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/415440248026312705/photo/1	Dec 24 11:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@EllieAsksWhy: @schestowitz I'd like a reprieve from religious proselytizing served by Google Ads http://t.co/uxhIcDtdCE	Dec 24 11:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@EllieAsksWhy: @schestowitz I'd like a reprieve from religious proselytizing served by Google Ads http://t.co/uxhIcDtdCE	Dec 24 11:19
roy_	AdBlock would help; I had 3 hours wasted by a couple of "Elders" two months ago.	Dec 24 11:20
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roy_	http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/12/rss/authors/231116?page=7	Dec 24 11:46
TechrightsBot-tr	www.motherjones.com \| Mojo - December 2013 \| Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/g92ng ]	Dec 24 11:46
iophk	http://falkvinge.net/2013/12/24/reminder-2-hunt-for-file-sharers-violate-fundamental-human-rights-says-european-court-of-human-rights/	Dec 24 12:02
TechrightsBot-tr	falkvinge.net \| Reminder 2: Hunt For File-Sharers Violates Fundamental Human Rights (Says The European Court Of Human Rights) - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/g92qb ]	Dec 24 12:02
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 24 13:24
roy_	j0	Dec 24 13:32
iophk	http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/edward-snowden-after-months-of-nsa-revelations-says-his-missions-accomplished/2013/12/23/49fc36de-6c1c-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html	Dec 24 13:33
TechrightsBot-tr	www.washingtonpost.com \| Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/g92un ]	Dec 24 13:33
roy_	Snowden did well	Dec 24 13:47
roy_	Stallman is a big fan	Dec 24 13:47
roy_	Also of Assange, whom he met before he met me in the UK	Dec 24 13:47
roy_	In his latest talk RMS asks the audience for three cheers to Snowden	Dec 24 13:47
roy_	http://techrights.org/2013/12/24/conflating-us-with-proprietary/	Dec 24 13:47
TechrightsBot-tr	techrights.org \| Despite US Roots, Red Hat Appears to Have Benefited From NSA Scandals \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g9366 ]	Dec 24 13:47
oiaohm	Really in a lot of ways Snowden objective is got.	Dec 24 13:48
oiaohm	Distrust in the USA system.	Dec 24 13:48
oiaohm	Was exactly waht Snowden was after.	Dec 24 13:48
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roy_	iophk: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/12/24/1348231/linuxdevices-content-returns-to-the-web	Dec 24 14:10
TechrightsBot-tr	linux.slashdot.org \| LinuxDevices Content Returns To the Web - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g9395 ]	Dec 24 14:10
roy_	we did it!	Dec 24 14:10
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iophk	in part	Dec 24 14:25
iophk	It's great news.	Dec 24 14:25
iophk	Too many useful sites have been disappearing.	Dec 24 14:25
iophk	It's great that one has been kept around.	Dec 24 14:25
iophk	Embedded devices are becoming all more important so eventually the pages will be of cultural and historical use.	Dec 24 14:26
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oiaohm	iophk: sections were in archive.org	Dec 24 14:39
iophk	Yes but that's a last resort.	Dec 24 14:40
oiaohm	iophk: at least due to archive.org we will have some internet history of the long since faded.	Dec 24 14:40
iophk	Yes, some. Not all made it in.	Dec 24 14:40
iophk	Some got removed.	Dec 24 14:40
iophk	I'm not sure of the process when a domain changes owners.	Dec 24 14:40
oiaohm	Really it would have been better if linuxdevices archive was just submited to achive.org for long term storage.	Dec 24 14:40
iophk	I think that archive.org will retroactively remove sites if the new owner says to.	Dec 24 14:41
roy_	[14:24] <iophk> Embedded devices are becoming all more important so eventually the pages will be of cultural and historical use.	Dec 24 14:41
oiaohm	And other national achives.	Dec 24 14:41
roy_	It wasn't just embedded	Dec 24 14:41
iophk	Even if the content is 100% different.	Dec 24 14:41
roy_	It has covered desktop too sometimes	Dec 24 14:41
roy_	fancy mailing SJVN regarding DesktopLinux.com?	Dec 24 14:41
iophk	Not just embedded, but that is probably the biggest movement ...	Dec 24 14:41
roy_	Maybe he can request his archive of articles from them as well	Dec 24 14:41
iophk	Linux is even in TVs now.	Dec 24 14:41
roy_	he already has his own domain	Dec 24 14:41
oiaohm	iophk: archive.org might remove a record from straight public view but they don't fully delete it.	Dec 24 14:42
iophk	Good.	Dec 24 14:42
iophk	That's a relief. So it might be available again someday should times or laws change.	Dec 24 14:42
roy_	http://microsoft-watch.com/ was ZIff	Dec 24 14:42
roy_	It's not accessible, maybe wrong domain?	Dec 24 14:42
TechrightsBot-tr	Couldn't resolve host 'microsoft-watch.com' ( status 0 @ http://microsoft-watch.com/ )	Dec 24 14:42
roy_	Mary Jo and MS Nick (now in ./)	Dec 24 14:43
roy_	And Joe Wilcox	Dec 24 14:43
roy_	http://microsoftwatch.com/ redirects to microsoft.com	Dec 24 14:43
TechrightsBot-tr	www.microsoft.com \| Microsoft US \| Devices and Services	Dec 24 14:43
roy_	oddly enough	Dec 24 14:43
iophk	Ironically I guess. Though at the end it was more of a fan site.	Dec 24 14:43
roy_	https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=Mp25UtyjOLGS0QXDh4CwDQ#q=microsoft+watch	Dec 24 14:44
TechrightsBot-tr	www.google.co.uk \| Google [ http://ur1.ca/g93dv ]	Dec 24 14:44
roy_	Nothing there called Microsoft Watch	Dec 24 14:44
roy_	So Microsoft's MoMouths have had their work buried	Dec 24 14:44
iophk	not in Startpage either	Dec 24 14:44
iophk	Memory hole	Dec 24 14:44
roy_	After Rick and I worked to get his article it might motivate other writers to approach quinstreet	Dec 24 14:44
iophk	How much negotiation was there to get Quinnstreet to come around?	Dec 24 14:45
iophk	*needed	Dec 24 14:45
roy_	halfa year of nagging	Dec 24 14:46
roy_	and posting criticism of them in TR	Dec 24 14:46
roy_	Rick could not do it	Dec 24 14:46
roy_	As that would not be productive and constructive	Dec 24 14:46
iophk	right	Dec 24 14:46
roy_	So he referred to me as "the FOSS community"	Dec 24 14:46
iophk	:)	Dec 24 14:46
roy_	it seems to have worked, but only after a lot of nagging	Dec 24 14:47
roy_	I think they get an inbound link from all 14,000 URLs now	Dec 24 14:47
roy_	Googlejuice	Dec 24 14:47
roy_	and they don't need to pay for hosting, only pass some piles of data	Dec 24 14:47
iophk	Corporate beauracracies are big and slow, even if they are cooperative, which they usually aren't (out of basic corporate principle)	Dec 24 14:47
roy_	too busy makin' money	Dec 24 14:48
iophk	That linking sounds like a good deal for them.	Dec 24 14:48
roy_	it's one way to 'market' the move to a MARKETING company	Dec 24 14:48
iophk	All to often they believe in zero-sum-game and can't envision any kind of win-win scenario.	Dec 24 14:50
iophk	It comes out as an advantage for them to restore the archive and let Rick run it.	Dec 24 14:53
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roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445483	Dec 24 15:08
TechrightsBot-tr	@victorhck@joindiaspora.com: [![Image](http://ep01.epimg.net/internacional/imagenes/2013/12/24/actualidad/1387873660_129481_1387874448_noticia_normal.jpg)](http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/12/24/actualidad/1387873660_129481.html)<br>Turing, condenado por gay, recibe el perdón real 60 años después de su muerte <br>[http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/12/24/actualidad/1387873660_129481.html](http://internaci	Dec 24 15:08
TechrightsBot-tr	-> internacional.elpais.com \| Turing, condenado por gay, recibe el perdón real 60 años después de su muerte \| Internacional \| EL PAÍS [ http://ur1.ca/g93iu ]	Dec 24 15:08
roy_	GCHQ desperate for some positive PR... having been shown to be criminal and corrupt. And now there's a propaganda film coming about Turing, to help recruitment at GCHQ. Starring in that film? Same 'star' as in the anti-Wikileaks film.	Dec 24 15:08
iophk	http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-edward-snowden-was-the-person-of-the-year/2013/12/23/34551caa-6c13-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html	Dec 24 15:32
TechrightsBot-tr	www.washingtonpost.com \| Eugene Robinson: Edward Snowden was the person of the year - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/g93m9 ]	Dec 24 15:32
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msb_	The primary motive of U.S. foreign policy is the destruction of socialismeverywhere in the world, in order to increase the profits of the ultra-wealthypsychopaths who control the U.S. government. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_HolocaustSocialist Stallman being the leader of the very successful and expanding GNU/Linux/FOSS/FSF/GPLmovement has the side-effect of educating people about the benefits of sharing, cooperation,and socialism	Dec 24 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr	cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g93n2 ]	Dec 24 15:41
msb_	So the Axis-of-Evil/US-UK-Israel/NWO/World-Fascism has a motive for trying to separate RMS from GNU-Linux-FOSS, as much as MS does. Thus the attack on RMSreported in Phoronix could be from the CIA, etc. The US govt has announced explicitly that it is employing anonymous posters in Net forums to attack policies it doesn't like.	Dec 24 15:41
iophk	Or from M$ or both...	Dec 24 15:41
msb_	Opps, should have been: "...http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust Socialist Stallman..."	Dec 24 15:45
TechrightsBot-tr	cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ]	Dec 24 15:45
MinceR	where's the place of the command economy in all this?	Dec 24 15:46
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msb_	I'd say that production and prices should be governed by a free market (subject to not doing harm), but that businesses should be controlled democratically by their workers and the profits shared among them according to hours worked.	Dec 24 15:50
iophk	Rewarding the inefficient? ;)	Dec 24 15:51
msb_	Grossly inefficient workers would be fired by democratic worker control.	Dec 24 15:52
MinceR	ic	Dec 24 15:53
_Goblin	So it would be a popularity contest where a hopeless worker who is liked by all would keep their job...cracking system you've got there.	Dec 24 15:53
_Goblin	"aw....he might be crap but he has a wife and two kids, lets keep him on"	Dec 24 15:54
msb_	A "hopeless worker" would decrease profits and thus lower the income of all workers, so would not be "popular".	Dec 24 15:54
_Goblin	I'm not even going to bother......thank you MSB, another award winning idea.	Dec 24 15:54
_Goblin	and just a thought....whilst all this decision making is going on by the "workers"....who is going to do any actual work? - Again, thats only a thought MSB....I don't need another one of you "ideas"	Dec 24 15:56
msb_	Also, control of the government would be strictly one-person-one-vote, no lobbying by businesses, no corporations-as-persons, etc.	Dec 24 15:56
MinceR	The Patrician is the Man, he has the Vote. :>	Dec 24 15:58
msb_	Tim the Goblin stalks and attacks me here and in COLA. His attacks always have a personal slant.	Dec 24 15:58
_Goblin	? I was responding.... Look who is the OP here MSB...who's stalking?	Dec 24 15:59
_Goblin	Liar as well as nut?	Dec 24 15:59
msb_	QED	Dec 24 15:59
_Goblin	Tell you what MSB...you talk your paranoia and nonsense to another channel where I'm not the OP, then lets see if I follow.	Dec 24 16:00
_Goblin	I can assure you I wouldn't...but go ahead and try	Dec 24 16:00
_Goblin	As for COLA. When was the last time you posted? I've been there months haven't seen you there.	Dec 24 16:01
msb_	But he stalked, attacked, and sneered at me when I was posting in COLA.	Dec 24 16:02
_Goblin	I was there before you...and yes I sneared....youre ideas are offensive and stupid.	Dec 24 16:02
_Goblin	so its just COLA now?	Dec 24 16:03
_Goblin	not here?	Dec 24 16:03
_Goblin	everyone laughed at you in COLA, including the Linux/free software advocates...do you need reminding MSB?	Dec 24 16:03
_Goblin	infact you and Snit are the two people who manage to unite opinion between the proprietary & free software crowds in comp.os.linux.advocacy	Dec 24 16:05
msb_	http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/Cricketb.mp3	Dec 24 16:19
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DaemonFC	schestowitz__, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MDk	Dec 24 17:00
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Microsoft SIlverlight Proposed For Ubuntu 14.04 LTS [ http://ur1.ca/g93yl ]	Dec 24 17:00
DaemonFC	NPAPI is still supported in Chrome. They'll probably get rid of it eventually, for the same reason Microsoft did.	Dec 24 17:05
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iophk	https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2013/12/if-snowden-returned-us-trial-all-whistleblower-evidence-would-likely-be-inadmissible	Dec 24 17:24
TechrightsBot-tr	pressfreedomfoundation.org \| If Snowden Returned to US For Trial, All Whistleblower Evidence Would Likely Be Inadmissible \| Freedom of the Press Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/g941u ]	Dec 24 17:24
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445454	Dec 24 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: precision...	Dec 24 17:56
schestowitz__	"true"	Dec 24 17:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445632	Dec 24 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Despite US Roots, Red Hat Appears to Have Benefited From NSA Scandals	Dec 24 17:57
schestowitz__	"Clear and if you are the headman from a company or trust, a rway to get out of this play ...."	Dec 24 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Despite US Roots, Red Hat Appears to Have Benefited From NSA Scandals \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g9366 ]	Dec 24 17:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445277	Dec 24 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If Snowden returned to US for trial, could court admit any NSA leak evidence?	Dec 24 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> boingboing.net \| If Snowden returned to US for trial, could court admit any NSA leak evidence? - Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/g947j ]	Dec 24 17:57
schestowitz__	"Who is Michael Hastings?"	Dec 24 17:57
schestowitz__	Died in bizarre accident before publishing a major piece about the CIA	Dec 24 17:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3442778	Dec 24 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This Christmas don't settle for a listening device; return to store, exchange for something like a tablet http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170874-the-secret-second-operating-system-that-could-make-every-mobile-phone-insecure	Dec 24 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.extremetech.com \| The secret second operating system that could make every mobile phone insecure \| ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/g8wag ]	Dec 24 17:59
schestowitz__	"@Jim R: Point on that. There's always cache-and-burst surveillance. Sigh. I guess I'm going back to a pair of tin cans and a string."	Dec 24 17:59
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445870	Dec 24 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The site "Microsoft Watch" (pro-Microsoft fan site) died with the acquisition which the #linux site survived http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/12/24/1348231/linuxdevices-content-returns-to-the-web	Dec 24 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr	-> beta.slashdot.org \| LinuxDevices Content Returns To the Web - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g947u ]	Dec 24 17:59
schestowitz__	"Interesting. QuinStreet is one of those massive "content-farm" sites, which I suspect may be getting negatively affected by some recent Google actions against crap content."	Dec 24 17:59
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 24 19:45
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 24 20:43
iophk	hi	Dec 24 20:47
sebsebseb	iophk: he really doesn't want Magiea or FEdora stuff etc at the event	Dec 24 20:48
sebsebseb	it seems	Dec 24 20:48
iophk	It would make good swag	Dec 24 20:49
sebsebseb	indeed	Dec 24 20:49
sebsebseb	iophk: I may be missing the next meeting as well, because of smething ese	Dec 24 20:49
sebsebseb	iophk: oh and I am quite happy about something unrelated at the moment to, but don't want to talk about that in here	Dec 24 20:50
sebsebseb	iophk: and I am about to eat something rather nice :d	Dec 24 20:50
iophk	excellent^2	Dec 24 20:51
sebsebseb	thingey in the air and 2, what does that mean?	Dec 24 20:51
iophk	squared	Dec 24 20:51
sebsebseb	like saying excellent to both ?	Dec 24 20:51
iophk	yep	Dec 24 20:51
sebsebseb	iophk: it's their event really now	Dec 24 20:53
sebsebseb	,but I'll still do the feedback form	Dec 24 20:53
sebsebseb	and	Dec 24 20:53
iophk	find some collaborators and do a real installfest...	Dec 24 20:54
sebsebseb	try and get some stuff for Ubuntu and Mint, and do a LIBRE oFFIC hand out, and get something in for Mozilla I gues	Dec 24 20:54
sebsebseb	iophk: there isn't really anyone	Dec 24 20:54
sebsebseb	or not from that paticular group	Dec 24 20:54
iophk	no, not from that group	Dec 24 20:54
sebsebseb	iophk: anyway I may have something soon to really nicely take my mind off stuff like that more, but not sure yet :d	Dec 24 20:54
sebsebseb	iophk: I think I know why not many go to hte metings group that group now as well, beause of smething else	Dec 24 20:55
iophk	too bad	Dec 24 20:55
sebsebseb	there's this other thing	Dec 24 20:56
sebsebseb	and yeah they got quite a lot of people really it seems	Dec 24 20:56
sebsebseb	iophk: I think it's good to have other interests to, that aren't all tech related in life as well :)	Dec 24 20:57
sebsebseb	iophk: computers don't really bring true happyness, but may be able to use them to find ture happyness	Dec 24 20:59
iophk	possibly	Dec 24 20:59
sebsebseb	and some of these computer related interests can get kind of sad/depressive at times, depends though	Dec 24 21:00
sebsebseb	iophk: computers can be used as a tool, to help with other parts of ones ife!	Dec 24 21:02
iophk	yes they are just tools	Dec 24 21:02
sebsebseb	tools that can run awesome software though	Dec 24 21:03
sebsebseb	Linux, GNOME 3 etc :d	Dec 24 21:03
sebsebseb	software that can be life changing as well	Dec 24 21:03
sebsebseb	be more than just software	Dec 24 21:03
iophk	software is the tool at this point	Dec 24 21:04
sebsebseb	iophk: yeah opensource/freesoftware is a whole ecocosytem of stuff, and it can be so much more than just software	Dec 24 21:04
sebsebseb	or can result in quit a few things as a result, depending on person etc	Dec 24 21:04
sebsebseb	and their intereset when it come to that, what they been doing etc	Dec 24 21:04
sebsebseb	,but software itself, probably won't realy bring someone true happyness	Dec 24 21:05
sebsebseb	,but using the software etc, to find someone, that can for example, wel yeah that can be done	Dec 24 21:05
sebsebseb	using the software and Internet in this case	Dec 24 21:05
sebsebseb	and can get peope into other things, depending on what hapepns etc as well	Dec 24 21:06
sebsebseb	iophk: ,but I don't know about you, but I don't really ike sitting for hours and hours on the computer now	Dec 24 21:06
sebsebseb	not doing much at all really	Dec 24 21:06
iophk	work more with people then	Dec 24 21:06
sebsebseb	well if music is on that's a bit diffenret	Dec 24 21:07
sebsebseb	iophk: yeah I am meeting more peple etc now	Dec 24 21:07
sebsebseb	if that's what you mean	Dec 24 21:07
sebsebseb	in perosn	Dec 24 21:07
sebsebseb	and I mainly use my computer as a communiaiont device really, and been like that for many years	Dec 24 21:07
sebsebseb	my as in whatever computer using at the time	Dec 24 21:08
sebsebseb	iophk: ,but I can't be ike schestowitz__ for example and blog about loads of potentail threats to software freedom and micro blog as well etc	Dec 24 21:08
sebsebseb	altough I guess most of us can't be quite like him when it come to that kindof thing ayway, since other stuff in life etc you know	Dec 24 21:09
sebsebseb	and I used to read loads of LInux related articles etc	Dec 24 21:09
sebsebseb	years ago, but I hardly do that anymore now, onlne ones I mean and so on. I guess things change as peple get older here and there though	Dec 24 21:10
sebsebseb	iophk: computer interests didn't quite get me to where I wanted to be in lie basically, or so it seems	Dec 24 21:10
sebsebseb	ok I should go and eat and that really	Dec 24 21:10
*sebsebseb goes afk		Dec 24 21:11
sebsebseb	iophk: altough computer interests did link to other things that doig now, some of them, and such, good stuff	Dec 24 21:11
iophk	like eating... :)	Dec 24 21:11
sebsebseb	in some ways things happended as a result, that has made me more confident as aperson andsuch	Dec 24 21:12
sebsebseb	,but yeah I'll go afknow	Dec 24 21:12
msb_	By enabling people all over the planet to communicate and share their ideas at low cost, computers, free software, and the Internet are greatly helping people to meet, find common purposes, and realize that those in other countries are really not so different from ourselves, thus dissolving the alienation that the NWO rulers use to keep us separated.	Dec 24 21:35
msb_	A good example is this IRC channel!	Dec 24 21:36
msb_	Also, the principle of the GPL, and "Information wants to be free", and "Human knowledge belongs to the World", and even Bittorrent, is spreading to other fields such as the publication of scientific research, where people are starting to put their papers up on the Web for everyone to download and read, instead of journals charging people $50 to get a copy.	Dec 24 21:39
msb_	I think that all this, including especially the international cooperation in the creation of free software, is the beginning of the World Community -- worldwide sharing and cooperation, which is the exact opposite of the New World Order (world fascism).	Dec 24 21:42
msb_	I think we're at a wonderful moment in human history. A couple of months ago, Obama, the leader of the NWO, was thwarted in his effort to destroy Syria (as he'd done to Libya) by using Al-Qaeda, because his plot was exposed on the Net. And a couple of days ago, the greatest advance in life extension was published, and the research article was immediately posted for free access on the Net.	Dec 24 21:56
msb_	The Internet is the most powerful means of long-range, wide-spread communication that our species has ever had. "Communicate" doesn't just mean to talk to each other. "Comm" means "together", and "uni" means "one". Coming together as one!	Dec 24 22:06
MinceR	that's what she said.	Dec 24 22:06
msb_	Brava!	Dec 24 22:09
MinceR	:)	Dec 24 22:10
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/stream#	Dec 24 22:10
TechrightsBot-tr	joindiaspora.com \| Diaspora* / Sign in	Dec 24 22:10
roy_	https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_2e47bb54edf6cf560a3a.jpg	Dec 24 22:11
msb_	Good one, Roy! That's what happens when government, which is designed to protect people from psychopaths, is _taken over_ by big psychopaths and used by them.	Dec 24 22:33
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MinceR	gn	Dec 25 02:09
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roy_	Church Across the Road is quite nice	Dec 25 10:51
roy_	nice as in well presented http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Christmas-Eve/Church-Across-the-Road	Dec 25 10:55
TechrightsBot-tr	schestowitz.com \| Church Across the Road [ http://ur1.ca/g98vl ]	Dec 25 10:55
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 25 16:00
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sebsebseb		Dec 25 17:19
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sebsebseb	fewt @deaddistroleader/fewt	Dec 25 17:21
sebsebseb	fewt @deaddistro/leader/fewt	Dec 25 17:22
fewt	yes	Dec 25 17:23
fewt	that is I	Dec 25 17:23
fewt	dead distro leader	Dec 25 17:23
sebsebseb	fewt: yeah GNOME 3 and SystemD :d	Dec 25 17:23
fewt	Windows	Dec 25 17:23
sebsebseb	Mac OS X	Dec 25 17:24
fewt	no, seriously that's what I use now on my laptop	Dec 25 17:24
fewt	but I'm mostly using Android these days	Dec 25 17:24
sebsebseb	oh?	Dec 25 17:24
sebsebseb	fewt: surel there's some other distro similar to what you wanted out there htough	Dec 25 17:24
fewt	nope	Dec 25 17:24
fewt	not worth the fight	Dec 25 17:25
sebsebseb	you could resurrecture Fudunbut for persoanl useage	Dec 25 17:25
fewt	I FOSS on Windows	Dec 25 17:25
fewt	I did that for a while, too much effort	Dec 25 17:25
sebsebseb	fewt: distro wars!	Dec 25 17:25
sebsebseb	interface wars!	Dec 25 17:25
fewt	wars wars!	Dec 25 17:25
sebsebseb	fewt: opinated polotial minded Linux geeks	Dec 25 17:25
sebsebseb	my distro is better than yours, no mine is...	Dec 25 17:26
fewt	I'd rather go outside and live life than muck with software wars	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	fewt: or no we won't have your distro or interface for the event beuase.... oh I got that	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	,because what I have to guess	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	,but probaby have it right with my gueses	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	fewt: yep bingo	Dec 25 17:27
sebsebseb	fewt: I was saying similar stuff to iophk yesterday	Dec 25 17:27
sebsebseb	in here	Dec 25 17:27
fewt	ahh	Dec 25 17:27
sebsebseb	how these interests can end up bein quite sad and stuff	Dec 25 17:27
sebsebseb	and well yeah, and they can effect other parts of life, and not realy lead to true happynes an such	Dec 25 17:27
MinceR	i can see how a windows user would rather go outside and live life than use windows :>	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	may be able to use a computer to find someone that can lead one to true life happyness though	Dec 25 17:28
fewt	MinceR hah	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	MinceR: more like they would rahte just ue A	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	Android	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	than that slow WIndows install	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	a lot of them	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	they don't kjnow why really, but they kow Android is for them the better expereice for their basic stuff, since it just works or pretty much	Dec 25 17:29
sebsebseb	didn't get a slow etc like wINDOWS	Dec 25 17:29
sebsebseb	fewt: yeah do you get sad sitting at a computer a lot now?	Dec 25 17:29
sebsebseb	for hours and hours	Dec 25 17:29
sebsebseb	do you evven do that still?	Dec 25 17:29
fewt	sebsebseb I don't do that really	Dec 25 17:29
sebsebseb	ok, but you used to?	Dec 25 17:30
fewt	only here now because my VPS blew up a bit	Dec 25 17:30
fewt	yes	Dec 25 17:30
fewt	all day all night every day	Dec 25 17:30
sebsebseb	you used to sit on the computer yep	Dec 25 17:30
sebsebseb	many ours per day ad night	Dec 25 17:30
sebsebseb	yep bingo	Dec 25 17:30
sebsebseb	same here	Dec 25 17:30
sebsebseb	,but now not so much	Dec 25 17:30
sebsebseb	not quite as much, ok maybe party since TV, but other things to	Dec 25 17:30
sebsebseb	fewt: I mainly use a computer as a commuiaiotn device	Dec 25 17:31
sebsebseb	anyway	Dec 25 17:31
sebsebseb	and it's always been like that realy, and a muisc player here and there and such to	Dec 25 17:31
sebsebseb	fewt: I don't really do anything that techi most of the time	Dec 25 17:31
sebsebseb	when using a computer	Dec 25 17:31
sebsebseb	if at all realy	Dec 25 17:31
MinceR	i prefer sitting on a chair to sitting on a computer	Dec 25 17:31
fewt	MinceR: see, you've been doing it wrong	Dec 25 17:32
sebsebseb	MinceR: oh your trying to be funny again	Dec 25 17:32
fewt	sitting on the computer is more enjoyable for sebsebseb	Dec 25 17:32
MinceR	ic	Dec 25 17:32
MinceR	i doubt most of these are designed to support a human body	Dec 25 17:32
sebsebseb	sittig on a Windows computer makes fewt realy happy	Dec 25 17:32
sebsebseb	when MinceR sits on a Linux computer, Linux says, your curshing me :d	Dec 25 17:33
sebsebseb	anyway yeah so sititng at a computer	Dec 25 17:33
sebsebseb	I do't like sitting at a computer that much anymore	Dec 25 17:33
sebsebseb	however if it's bne turned into a music player, or a TV that's a bit differnet, but in general	Dec 25 17:33
sebsebseb	a TV, wll watching videos I mean	Dec 25 17:34
sebsebseb	or Iplayer BBC Click for examle	Dec 25 17:34
sebsebseb	example	Dec 25 17:34
sebsebseb	fewt: do computer intersts make you sad now at times	Dec 25 17:35
sebsebseb	?	Dec 25 17:35
fewt	I don't care about computers, so no	Dec 25 17:35
fewt	it's just a thing that does a job.	Dec 25 17:35
fewt	;)	Dec 25 17:35
sebsebseb	fewt: you cared a lot more before	Dec 25 17:36
MinceR	they're things that do many jobs :>	Dec 25 17:36
sebsebseb	hence Fuduntu	Dec 25 17:36
sebsebseb	for examle	Dec 25 17:36
fewt	anyway, merry xmas, happy "just another day", or whatever suits your belief system - I'm out, time to go get chinese! :)	Dec 25 17:36
fewt	adios!	Dec 25 17:36
MinceR	(not necessarily well, though)	Dec 25 17:36
sebsebseb	fewt: yes Merry Christmas	Dec 25 17:36
MinceR	happy solstice, fewt	Dec 25 17:36
sebsebseb	fewt: altough having chinese on Christmas, isn't realy Christmas?	Dec 25 17:36
MinceR	you shouldn't let tradition limit you	Dec 25 17:37
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sebsebseb	MinceR: true	Dec 25 17:37
sebsebseb	MinceR: and Christmas is going to be differnet for me this year, since not going to have any of the Turkey	Dec 25 17:38
sebsebseb	,but tha's since I have decided to care much more about what I am eating, in the lat six months or so	Dec 25 17:38
sebsebseb	well more than that reay	Dec 25 17:38
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sebsebseb	MinceR: I think how mot people eat dead anials and just don't care, isn't quite right really, but how it is	Dec 25 17:39
iophk	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/edward-snowden-nsa-spying-worse-orwell-nineteen-eighty-four-article-1.1558183	Dec 25 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr	www.nydailynews.com \| Edward Snowden says NSA spying worse than Orwell’s ‘Nineteen Eighty-Four’ - NY Daily News [ http://ur1.ca/g9cax ]	Dec 25 17:59
MinceR	sebsebseb: what's not right about it?	Dec 25 18:00
roy_	fewt: some really foul-mouthed person who claims to know you was here the other night	Dec 25 18:04
roy_	bbl	Dec 25 18:04
fewt	roy_: I just looked in the logs, I have no idea who that was.	Dec 25 19:09
fewt	chinese was yummy	Dec 25 19:09
fewt	:D	Dec 25 19:09
msb__	Just watched a great movie called "Christmas in Conway (2013)", with Mary-Louise Parker and other good folks. Can't tell you here where to find it, but get the one labelled "PLAYNOW" -- 1.43GB.	Dec 25 19:09
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Sosumi	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16524160/nmp/nmp54.jpg	Dec 25 20:07
Sosumi	also	Dec 25 20:07
Sosumi	merry christmas	Dec 25 20:07
MinceR	merry grav-mass	Dec 25 20:10
MinceR	lol @ pic	Dec 25 20:10
schestowitz__	grav-mass is RMS' invention, an original AFAIK	Dec 25 21:21
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403315	Dec 25 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don't worry. The #pentagon says it only targets terrorists. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/03/us-britain-snowden-guardian-idUSBRE9B20TL20131203 http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/19/assange-high-tech-terrorist-biden	Dec 25 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.reuters.com \| British news staff may face terrorism charges over Snowden leaks \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/g6fkw ]	Dec 25 21:27
schestowitz__	"I really don't want to start another dispute about amerikan constitution . I was raised to believe it is not our words that constitute us , but our deeds . So look at the deeds of amerika , from the very start of it , the very foundations it was built on , and tell me , what was amerika constituted on ? What is it that amerika stands for today , and what is it that it stood for , since the first white pilgrim decided he has human	Dec 25 21:27
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.theguardian.com \| Julian Assange like a hi-tech terrorist, says Joe Biden \| Media \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/g6fkx ]	Dec 25 21:27
schestowitz__	rights , and red-skinned trash occupying the new world has none ?"	Dec 25 21:28
schestowitz__	"By "truth" you mean honoured and obeyed? If so... different parts, at different times, to different degrees, by different people."	Dec 25 21:29
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MinceR	"I think the idea of Grav-Mass was conceived by science fiction writer James Hogan."	Dec 25 21:44
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Sosumi	http://rt.com/news/iron-maiden-piracy-sellout-tours-759/	Dec 25 21:57
TechrightsBot-tr	rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g9e6e ]	Dec 25 21:57
Sosumi	Iron Maiden taking metrics on downloads for concert planning	Dec 25 21:57
Sosumi	instead of suing the file sharers	Dec 25 21:57
Sosumi	and yes, if they do pass through portugal, I'll go to their concert	Dec 25 21:58
MinceR	nice	Dec 25 21:59
Sosumi	it was demonoid that introduced me to iron maiden	Dec 25 22:00
Sosumi	so, thx to those "dirty pirates" over there I learned about them	Dec 25 22:00
Sosumi	it wasn't on the itunes "vomit" store nor on major superstores that don't even carry their CDs	Dec 25 22:01
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Sosumi	I only learned of bands like Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Dio, Black SAbbath, Rainbow, Vangelis, Kraftwerk, Amon Tobin and so on	Dec 25 22:05
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Sosumi	through the folks at demonoid	Dec 25 22:05
Sosumi	aka the "dirty pirates"	Dec 25 22:05
Sosumi	if I was relying on itunes top/major hits/featured playlists, I'd simply have limited myself to what my grandfather used to listen	Dec 25 22:07
Sosumi	which by itself was already good	Dec 25 22:07
Sosumi	Bach, Verdi, Wagner, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Sinatra	Dec 25 22:07
Sosumi	because pretty much of what's around is pure garbage	Dec 25 22:08
Sosumi	yeah milley virus or lady caca	Dec 25 22:09
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Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-25/trip-through-bitcoin-mines	Dec 25 22:20
TechrightsBot-tr	www.zerohedge.com \| A Trip Through The Bitcoin Mines \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g9e8o ]	Dec 25 22:20
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Sosumi	http://anki3d.org/developing-games-linux-steamos/	Dec 26 00:01
TechrightsBot-tr	anki3d.org \| Developing games on and for Linux/SteamOS \| AnKi 3D Engine Dev Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g9egz ]	Dec 26 00:01
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Sosumi	and confirmed, crapple sending specific guidelines to reviewers of their buttplug pro	Dec 26 00:18
Sosumi	and that is the benchmarks that they can post and no mention to the lack of expandability	Dec 26 00:19
Sosumi	from what I can tell from a german magazine, the thing simply turns into a jetengine under luxmark	Dec 26 00:19
MinceR	and flies into the ceiling?	Dec 26 00:20
Sosumi	but no word about how the puny 450W can keep the system going	Dec 26 00:20
Sosumi	I don't know, lawl,	Dec 26 00:20
MinceR	well, afaik the peak power input is used mostly only for starting up the pc	Dec 26 00:21
Sosumi	but my pc can do luxmarks and yotaluxmarks without revimp up its fans	Dec 26 00:21
MinceR	so if they can turn it into some sort of staged startup, maybe they can get by with less	Dec 26 00:21
MinceR	but my info might be outdated	Dec 26 00:21
Sosumi	on the buttplug is 450W max	Dec 26 00:22
Sosumi	and you can't keep max both gpus and cpu at the same time with that	Dec 26 00:23
Sosumi	unless they did massive underclocking or used laptop parts	Dec 26 00:23
Sosumi	gimped 7870 rebranded as firepro has already been confirmed	Dec 26 00:23
Sosumi	and for the same price crapple asks for the trashcan, you can instead get a 24 core HP Z workstation with 3 years warranty	Dec 26 00:24
Sosumi	effin unbelievable,	Dec 26 00:25
Sosumi	specially since they just used the "workstation" graphics to jack up the price that much	Dec 26 00:26
Sosumi	when a maxed 2009 mac pro costed 5400€ and my powermac quad G5, back in 2005 costed 4800€	Dec 26 00:27
Sosumi	a maxed trashcan is 9800€	Dec 26 00:27
MinceR	well, the logo is costly :>	Dec 26 00:27
Sosumi	mercedes are expensive	Dec 26 00:27
MinceR	and also crap	Dec 26 00:27
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Sosumi	I like mercedes :P	Dec 26 00:28
MinceR	(though lately i've only been in their buses)	Dec 26 00:28
MinceR	(but damn, are they shoddy)	Dec 26 00:28
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Sosumi	I was going to say that they drive well and are extremely durable	Dec 26 00:28
MinceR	the upholstery in the sprinter just peels off in huge patches	Dec 26 00:28
MinceR	it has practically no ventilation for the passengers	Dec 26 00:28
MinceR	the sides wave like a flag in the wind	Dec 26 00:29
Sosumi	and that I still see mercedes from 1988 running around here and they still look excelent despite their age	Dec 26 00:29
MinceR	the mercedes citaro has "seats" designed for garden gnomes	Dec 26 00:29
Sosumi	aside from the metro I really don't use that much the buses	Dec 26 00:29
MinceR	and of course, having a thin channel in the floor be low (see, it has a "low floor") was a good excuse to take away a massive amount of space in the back for the engine	Dec 26 00:30
MinceR	oh, also the sprinter stinks on the inside	Dec 26 00:30
MinceR	my father drove a rented mercedes-benz car once, and he wasn't impressed iirc	Dec 26 00:31
schestowitz	Mercedes is for p****ies	Dec 26 00:31
MinceR	indeed	Dec 26 00:31
schestowitz	trying to make up for insecurities	Dec 26 00:31
schestowitz	There are strong cars that don't cost as much	Dec 26 00:32
Sosumi	like?	Dec 26 00:32
Sosumi	tell me something nice that sells here in europe	Dec 26 00:32
MinceR	even old ikarus buses were better than the citaro	Dec 26 00:33
Sosumi	not buses,	Dec 26 00:33
Sosumi	cars	Dec 26 00:33
schestowitz	I'm not even sure that Mercedes is still made in German, probably just assembled there for the most part, and perhaps key parts like engines are made in germany	Dec 26 00:33
MinceR	i've heard they're made in turkey	Dec 26 00:33
schestowitz	yeah	Dec 26 00:34
schestowitz	or	Dec 26 00:34
schestowitz	Some Turkish workers brought to Germany	Dec 26 00:34
schestowitz	Although production is done in Poland, too	Dec 26 00:34
schestowitz	germans don't seem to like the millions of Turkish workers, some of them get nbaturalised	Dec 26 00:34
schestowitz	and less in self-segregated communties, at least that's the opinion I hear of...	Dec 26 00:35
schestowitz	A lot of other german brands don't do production in germany	Dec 26 00:35
schestowitz	just in other EU member states	Dec 26 00:35
schestowitz	So it works well for them, cheaper labour, money flows to German companies	Dec 26 00:35
Sosumi	well I guess my comparison of the german produced mercedes with the foxxcon gulag labor got blown	Dec 26 00:36
Sosumi	:)	Dec 26 00:36
Sosumi	well I drive a renault 21 turbo, french made	Dec 26 00:37
Sosumi	to the point it has yellow lights by default	Dec 26 00:37
MinceR	what do they like about yellow lights?	Dec 26 00:37
Sosumi	fog	Dec 26 00:38
Sosumi	instead of coming with white lights + lower "yellow" fog lights	Dec 26 00:38
Sosumi	it came with both in yellow	Dec 26 00:39
Sosumi	they're still the original lamps and I didn't bother changing them	Dec 26 00:39
Sosumi	because the yellow int let's me actually see holes on the road much better	Dec 26 00:40
MinceR	:)	Dec 26 00:40
Sosumi	*tint	Dec 26 00:40
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Sosumi	aside from the car topic	Dec 26 00:44
Sosumi	Ed Bernays in his book Propaganda said	Dec 26 00:44
Sosumi	that in order to get sales, the solution wasn't to lower the price	Dec 26 00:45
Sosumi	but instead, to actually raise it	Dec 26 00:45
MinceR	indeed	Dec 26 00:45
MinceR	and that is applied also to cars	Dec 26 00:45
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Sosumi	to create an atmosphere of want towards a product because of the aura of uniqueness/elitism it emanates	Dec 26 00:47
Sosumi	and crapple is doing that with the ashtray pro	Dec 26 00:48
Sosumi	asking you way more than before, for a lesses product	Dec 26 00:48
Sosumi	but with an cough unique design	Dec 26 00:49
Sosumi	and yes the same can be said for cars	Dec 26 00:49
MinceR	still not as bad as the hypePhone, where they ask for ~10x the money than what a superior phone would cost	Dec 26 00:49
Sosumi	200k € for an aston martin dbs	Dec 26 00:49
Sosumi	and it's not exactly and awesome car to drive	Dec 26 00:50
Sosumi	hey fiat kind of copied their design on some models	Dec 26 00:50
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Sosumi	vray 10 to 20% faster on windows than it is on the trashcan pro running osx	Dec 26 01:45
Sosumi	no linux comparison,	Dec 26 01:47
Sosumi	at least I was expecting a performance test with RHEL/fedora to see how the drivers handle	Dec 26 01:48
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MinceR	gn	Dec 26 02:49
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roy_	MinceR: "Mr. Orban has been criticized by the European Union and human-rights groups for limiting freedoms of expression, among other controversial political moves"	Dec 26 09:33
roy_	http://chronicle.com/article/84-Year-Old-Philosopher/143491/	Dec 26 09:34
TechrightsBot-tr	chronicle.com \| 84-Year-Old Philosopher Rallies Opposition to Hungary's Hard-Line Government - Global - The Chronicle of Higher Education [ http://ur1.ca/g9g7l ]	Dec 26 09:34
roy_	crap article: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20131225/OPINION01/312250038/Editorial-roundup-Taking-sides-NSA-debate	Dec 26 09:37
TechrightsBot-tr	www.lansingstatejournal.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g9g7z ]	Dec 26 09:37
roy_	talking points of NSA	Dec 26 09:37
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iophk	http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/25/technology/as-new-services-track-habits-the-e-books-are-reading-you.html	Dec 26 10:10
TechrightsBot-tr	myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/g9gb5 ]	Dec 26 10:10
iophk	a little old - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2428466,00.asp	Dec 26 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr	www.pcmag.com \| The Hidden Agenda of Code.org \| PCMag.com [ http://ur1.ca/g9giv ]	Dec 26 11:12
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MinceR	roy_: sadly, only criticized	Dec 26 14:12
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 26 16:22
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MinceR	https://twitter.com/ZachWeiner/status/416251192004448256	Dec 26 17:02
TechrightsBot-tr	@ZachWeiner: Physics cheat sheet: g = 10 e = 10 pi = 10 4 = 10	Dec 26 17:02
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iophk	http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-sending-missiles-drones-to-Iraq-to-battle-al-Qaida/articleshow/27986657.cms	Dec 26 20:00
TechrightsBot-tr	timesofindia.indiatimes.com \| US sending missiles, drones to Iraq to battle al-Qaida - The Times of India [ http://ur1.ca/g9jc5 ]	Dec 26 20:00
schestowitz	iophk: yes, I wrote about it at lunchtime	Dec 26 20:28
schestowitz	good timing to do all this	Dec 26 20:28
schestowitz	nobody pays attention	Dec 26 20:28
schestowitz	they also attacked with drones on XMAS DAY	Dec 26 20:29
schestowitz	4 dead, no names	Dec 26 20:29
iophk	yeah, sneak stuff through during the holidays. No one wants to deal with bad news and will ignore it or gloss it over.	Dec 26 20:29
iophk	'militants' -- anyone hit by a rocket is automatically a 'militant'	Dec 26 20:30
schestowitz	NYT says thet militant is adult male	Dec 26 20:30
schestowitz	i say NYT because I traced that back to the source	Dec 26 20:30
schestowitz	and the source is close to the Pentagon	Dec 26 20:30
schestowitz	Anyway, see my tweets for lots more from today	Dec 26 20:30
schestowitz	I also got rewtweeted a few times by Thomas Drake, the NSA whistleblower before Snowden	Dec 26 20:31
iophk	Yes, Drake, Binney and others tried official channels.	Dec 26 20:32
iophk	They got burned badly.	Dec 26 20:32
iophk	Snowden learned from their mistakes.	Dec 26 20:37
schestowitz	iophk: Chromebooks charge into business market, capture 20% of commercial notebooks	Dec 26 20:54
schestowitz	You were right	Dec 26 20:54
schestowitz	http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/122413-chromebooks-charge-into-business-market-277202.html	Dec 26 20:54
TechrightsBot-tr	www.networkworld.com \| Chromebooks charge into business market, capture 20% of commercial notebooks - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/g9jtn ]	Dec 26 20:54
schestowitz	easy to use, not for advaned users, not expensive like Apple stuf	Dec 26 20:55
iophk	I expect that % will grow still.	Dec 26 20:58
iophk	Especially if the screen resolutions improve.	Dec 26 20:58
iophk	768 vertical lines is not great	Dec 26 20:58
MinceR	the pixel is better at that :>	Dec 26 20:58
iophk	not all models.	Dec 26 20:59
iophk	but the price is good.	Dec 26 20:59
iophk	1200 is ok	Dec 26 21:00
iophk	lines	Dec 26 21:00
Sosumi	http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/12/bloomberg-trans-pacific-partnership-corporatist-power-grab-democratic-transparent-one-party-state-shrouded-big-brother-like-secrecy.html	Dec 26 21:09
TechrightsBot-tr	www.washingtonsblog.com \| Bloomberg: Trans Pacific Partnership Is "Corporatist Power Grab", "As Democratic And Transparent As A One-Party State," Shrouded In "Big Brother-Like Secrecy" Washington's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g9jyz ]	Dec 26 21:09
Sosumi	just another free exploitation treaty	Dec 26 21:15
Sosumi	business as usual, move along, conform	Dec 26 21:16
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Sosumi	http://9gag.com/gag/aAYQB0g	Dec 27 01:47
TechrightsBot-tr	9gag.com \| 9GAG - The things you find on the internet	Dec 27 01:47
Sosumi	made my day	Dec 27 01:47
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whatup	Roy	Dec 27 06:11
whatup	hello	Dec 27 06:11
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3446456	Dec 27 10:12
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Seven free, open source video editors for Linux	Dec 27 10:12
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.networkworld.com \| Seven free, open source video editors for Linux - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/g9dyp ]	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_06_25-elizabeths_claymation_movies/	Dec 27 10:14
TechrightsBot-tr	173.20.223.180 \| Elizabeth's Claymation Movies [ http://ur1.ca/g9ose ]	Dec 27 10:14
schestowitz	http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/rc_models/flight_highlight_movies/slide_04.html	Dec 27 10:14
TechrightsBot-tr	173.20.223.180 \| 04-seagull_zoom_small.ogv [ http://ur1.ca/g9osf ]	Dec 27 10:14
schestowitz	http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/rc_models/flight_highlight_movies/slide_11.html	Dec 27 10:14
TechrightsBot-tr	173.20.223.180 \| Collision [ http://ur1.ca/g9osh ]	Dec 27 10:14
schestowitz	"	Dec 27 10:14
schestowitz	I'll have to try openshot sometime.	Dec 27 10:14
schestowitz	Kdenlive takes a little bit of practice and research but it feels easy to me now. One of the big, cool things is drag and drop additions to the story board. Just about any video or audio can be dropped in an is almost instantly available. The rendering dialog looks challenging because KDE does what they usually do and lay out all of the horrifically difficult options that other people have created with nasty formats. You can get around	Dec 27 10:15
schestowitz	that by sticking to Theora, which is straight forward and easy to understand.	Dec 27 10:15
schestowitz	Kdenlive packs some surprising power and excellent effects. The slideshow creator, a right click in the story board, is so flexible, that I've used it to render my daughter's stop motion claymation movies. There are lots of transitions and compositing works well. Basically, any still image or video type can be worked into a movie. Effects like pan, zoom, etc, are not straight forward but they are flexible and work well if you figure	Dec 27 10:15
schestowitz	them out.	Dec 27 10:15
schestowitz	There are plenty of things I have not mastered yet, but I like the films I've made. I have not figured out how to edit or fade audio, but that's something audacity is good for. My last two movie edits are relatively tight and, hopefully, amusing. I've collected most of them them here. This is a pan and zoom movie where I tried to highlight seaguls. Here's a a movie where I've combined the output from three very different cameras. Here'	Dec 27 10:15
schestowitz	s a movie where I've had a little more fun with title overlays. The last two movies both use slow motion and attempt to make a narrative from several perspectives.	Dec 27 10:15
schestowitz	"	Dec 27 10:15
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3452288	Dec 27 10:15
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #humor #lol	Dec 27 10:15
TechrightsBot-tr	Photo by manuelalvarezmolina@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_e7c17559cba2d21ef873.jpg	Dec 27 10:15
schestowitz	It happens. I once took a ride on a really nice day. The air was cool and refreshing, it felt so good I started thinking about it. The sun on my skin, the crispness of the air, the wind in my hair ... and that's when I realized I had forgotten my helmet."7	Dec 27 10:15
iophk	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/10538688/The-state-should-be-exposing-the-cyber-snoops-not-joining-them.html	Dec 27 11:21
TechrightsBot-tr	www.telegraph.co.uk \| The state should be exposing the cyber-snoops, not joining them - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/g9ozx ]	Dec 27 11:21
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3452288	Dec 27 11:24
schestowitz	tongue1 Checklist time!"77"	Dec 27 11:24
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/u/jgb	Dec 27 11:26
schestowitz	Jacob Georg Benz has started sharing with you!"777"	Dec 27 11:26
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3454406	Dec 27 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Surveillance and blackmail against everyone, where even the domestic population is treated like an enemy, historically a symptom of empire	Dec 27 11:30
schestowitz	"It's a symptom of the decline phase of empire."	Dec 27 11:30
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Sosumi	and the year is almost over	Dec 27 12:55
Sosumi	but no worries, next year will be the gnu/linux desktop year :P	Dec 27 12:57
Sosumi	aside from the obvious joke there	Dec 27 12:59
Sosumi	I can say that one most significant things that happened this year in the gnu/linux scene of things was the steam box	Dec 27 13:00
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iophk	http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/27/nokia-kills-here-maps-blames-ios-7/	Dec 27 13:24
TechrightsBot-tr	www.engadget.com \| Nokia pulls Here Maps from the App Store, blames iOS 7 [ http://ur1.ca/g9pez ]	Dec 27 13:24
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schestowitz	Sosumi: we;re there already	Dec 27 16:29
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iophk	http://www.develop-online.net/news/mark-pincus-asks-obama-to-pardon-snowden/0187606	Dec 27 17:38
TechrightsBot-tr	www.develop-online.net \| Mark Pincus asks Obama to pardon Snowden \| Latest news from the game development industry \| Develop [ http://ur1.ca/g9qn1 ]	Dec 27 17:39
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Dec 27 17:54
DaemonFC	25 seconds ago · Edited	Dec 27 17:54
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTc	Dec 27 17:54
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Hope Seems Lost In Running OS X Binaries On Linux [ http://ur1.ca/g9qq0 ]	Dec 27 17:54
DaemonFC	I don't know why this project even started. Apple OS X gives you the worst of all worlds. It is proprietary and malicious software, it is technically deficient, it's very hard to use, it is relatively obscure, and it doesn't have any must have apps.	Dec 27 17:54
DaemonFC	Everything I'd use it for already has better open source alternatives that run on GNU/Linux.	Dec 27 17:54
DaemonFC	I don't like Wine, and I avoid Windows programs for the most part, but I can at least understand why Wine exists.	Dec 27 17:54
MinceR	people often depend on proprietary and malicious software	Dec 27 17:55
cubezzz	it was open, then it was closed, now it's somewhat open :)	Dec 27 17:56
cubezzz	Unix v6 license was initially about 100 bucks	Dec 27 17:57
cubezzz	trouble was you needed a PDP-11 or a Interdata to run it	Dec 27 17:57
MinceR	:)	Dec 27 17:58
cubezzz	but you got everything: all source for the libs, device drivers, kernel and user programs	Dec 27 17:58
DaemonFC	Yeah. Solaris is now mostly proprietary again.	Dec 27 17:59
cubezzz	and a snobol interpreter :)	Dec 27 17:59
DaemonFC	Most of the source still gets released, months later, under the CDDL.	Dec 27 17:59
DaemonFC	But the Solaris kernel is fully proprietary again.	Dec 27 17:59
cubezzz	there's a new fork of Solaris	Dec 27 17:59
cubezzz	have you heard of OpenSXCE?	Dec 27 17:59
DaemonFC	You can still get the kernel source code up to what Oracle released in 2010, as CDDL.	Dec 27 17:59
DaemonFC	But, there will probably never be another CDDL code drop of the Solaris kernel.	Dec 27 18:00
cubezzz	http://www.opensxce.org	Dec 27 18:00
TechrightsBot-tr	www.opensxce.org \| OpenSXCE 2013.05 LiveDVD	Dec 27 18:00
DaemonFC	Oh, yeah, people can fork the 2010 release of the kernel, but it's going to be fragmented and not 100% compatible, which is basically what Oracle intended when they did that.	Dec 27 18:00
DaemonFC	And there's no guarantee that that policy won't spread to the rest of their system.	Dec 27 18:01
DaemonFC	Oracle is probably steaming mad that Sun ever released anything at all as open source.	Dec 27 18:01
DaemonFC	Oracle is not an open source software company.	Dec 27 18:02
DaemonFC	Very nearly everything they have as open source is due to a legacy status as open source from before they acquired it.	Dec 27 18:02
DaemonFC	People should avoid them, and even their GNU/Linux distribution.	Dec 27 18:02
DaemonFC	Hostile company.	Dec 27 18:02
DaemonFC	If there was some legal way of changing the license to their GNU/Linux system to a proprietary one, they'd do it.	Dec 27 18:03
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/retro-mwm-desktop.png	Dec 27 18:03
iophk	Solaris is moribund or dead. Most developers seem to have moved to Illumos.	Dec 27 18:04
iophk	http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/About+illumos	Dec 27 18:04
TechrightsBot-tr	wiki.illumos.org \| About illumos - illumos - illumos wiki [ http://ur1.ca/g9qrr ]	Dec 27 18:04
DaemonFC	I said my opinion of Richard Stallman on Facebook.	Dec 27 18:04
DaemonFC	I said he may not be the smartest person on the planet, but he's probably in the top 100.	Dec 27 18:04
DaemonFC	Which is not bad when the human population is near 7 billion.	Dec 27 18:05
cubezzz	let's not forget Thompson and Ritchie	Dec 27 18:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/416624896316551168	Dec 27 18:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@Messgorough: @schestowitz Apple has never competed neither has it's OS ever surpassed Android or in it's day.....Symbian.	Dec 27 18:06
cubezzz	and Tanenbaum also deserves a mention	Dec 27 18:07
cubezzz	he was in the mix relatively early	Dec 27 18:07
DaemonFC	There wouldn't be a GNU/Linux system without MINIX.	Dec 27 18:08
DaemonFC	MINIX was the system that Linux was developed on, because it was relatively free and open for the time period.	Dec 27 18:08
DaemonFC	If Torvalds wasn't able to get a copy of it, then he wouldn't have had a system to develop Linux on.	Dec 27 18:09
DaemonFC	So, it is part of the GNU/Linux legacy. A major one.	Dec 27 18:09
cubezzz	Torvalds could have started on Unix v7 or even v6	Dec 27 18:09
cubezzz	Minix was a clone of Unix after all	Dec 27 18:09
cubezzz	but as far as I know, no one did	Dec 27 18:10
DaemonFC	Right, but I understand it was expensive and didn't support IBM PCs?	Dec 27 18:10
DaemonFC	Wasn't the only other "affordable" PC port Microsoft XENIX?	Dec 27 18:10
cubezzz	well it got ported to a bunch of different things	Dec 27 18:10
DaemonFC	You could get that for less than $100 at Radio Shack, back when Radio Shack had that sort of stuff, and before it turned into a glorified cell phone store.	Dec 27 18:11
DaemonFC	But XENIX source code wasn't available.	Dec 27 18:11
DaemonFC	It was 100% proprietary.	Dec 27 18:11
cubezzz	based on Unix v7 which was available for $$$	Dec 27 18:11
DaemonFC	You got the MINIX source code just for buying the book, and you were allowed to modify it.	Dec 27 18:11
DaemonFC	I think that the book was like $70?	Dec 27 18:11
cubezzz	Prentice Hall, yeah	Dec 27 18:12
cubezzz	I bought it	Dec 27 18:12
cubezzz	around $90 Canadian	Dec 27 18:12
DaemonFC	That was basically unheard of back then.	Dec 27 18:12
DaemonFC	So, XENIX ran on PCs and wasn't too much more expensive, but you got no source code and no rights to modify or share it.	Dec 27 18:12
DaemonFC	So it was licensed like DOS or Windows.	Dec 27 18:13
cubezzz	no, Xenix didn't start on PCs	Dec 27 18:13
DaemonFC	You could get it for PC.	Dec 27 18:13
DaemonFC	I've seen it running on a 286.	Dec 27 18:13
cubezzz	PDP-11 then Z8001 then 68000 and after that x86	Dec 27 18:14
cubezzz	sure there was a 8086 one too	Dec 27 18:14
cubezzz	cut down from the original v7, so it was worse	Dec 27 18:14
DaemonFC	My first IBM PC (clone) was using a 386.	Dec 27 18:14
DaemonFC	But it was one of those mobile 386 SX things.	Dec 27 18:14
DaemonFC	It was good enough to run DOS.	Dec 27 18:15
cubezzz	the problem was everyone who bought licensed Unix v7 created a closed source version to sell	Dec 27 18:15
DaemonFC	I saw a Crime Stoppers ad on TV this morning. Someone broke into the AT&T store on Lima Road in Fort Wayne, and stole a bunch of tablets and phones.	Dec 27 18:16
DaemonFC	They're all locked, so that you can only activate them on AT&T.	Dec 27 18:17
DaemonFC	As soon as someone powers them on, it will start giving out their GPS location.	Dec 27 18:17
DaemonFC	I wonder what they plan to do with them.	Dec 27 18:17
cubezzz	it was all shared via 9-track mag tape	Dec 27 18:17
DaemonFC	I had an Amiga and a Commodore 64 before that.	Dec 27 18:19
cubezzz	Xenix was kind of a step backwards	Dec 27 18:19
DaemonFC	The Amiga was considerably better, but the software development was going towards DOS.	Dec 27 18:19
DaemonFC	Microsoft didn't support Xenix for very long.	Dec 27 18:21
DaemonFC	Pretty much everything that they didn't have 100% control over was just a way to poach customers and get government contracts.	Dec 27 18:22
DaemonFC	The goal was always to move them to DOS or Windows later.	Dec 27 18:22
cubezzz	there's 2.11BSD for PDP-11 and 4.3BSD for Vax	Dec 27 18:25
cubezzz	they're still maintained	Dec 27 18:26
cubezzz	all with device driver code of course	Dec 27 18:29
DaemonFC	http://toastytech.com/guis/win8sp1.html	Dec 27 18:29
TechrightsBot-tr	toastytech.com \| Windows 8 Service Pack 1 (Windows 8.1)	Dec 27 18:29
cubezzz	all the DEC hardware was well documented too, no secret chips were used	Dec 27 18:30
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/vax-4.3bsd.png	Dec 27 18:33
DaemonFC	The older I get, the more pills I take. :P	Dec 27 18:37
DaemonFC	I'm up to three every day now.	Dec 27 18:37
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 18:37
DaemonFC	I gave up on that Polari IRC client for now.	Dec 27 18:38
DaemonFC	It is very incomplete and mostly unusable except as maybe alpha-quality software for people that are just curious.	Dec 27 18:38
DaemonFC	It's not good enough to be an every day IRC program.	Dec 27 18:38
DaemonFC	I switched back to HexChat.	Dec 27 18:38
DaemonFC	Xchat is unmaintained now. Fedora still patches it up well enough to work and to patch security issues.	Dec 27 18:39
DaemonFC	Upstream isn't even accepting the patches, so I think it's obvious that the HexChat fork is now the way to go if you liked Xchat.	Dec 27 18:39
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DaemonFC	I think that to avoid confusion, there should be an official deprecation of Xchat and a dummy package that takes people to HexChat and is later removed from the system.	Dec 27 18:40
DaemonFC	The dummy package could also migrate your Xchat settings.	Dec 27 18:41
DaemonFC	I think that upstream has abandoned Xchat for something like 3, almost 4 years now.	Dec 27 18:41
DaemonFC	I guess it could live on the same way xmms did. :P	Dec 27 18:42
DaemonFC	Until there's just no way to support it any longer.	Dec 27 18:42
DaemonFC	Eventually, distributions will want to remove GTK+ 2.x. It will be several years.	Dec 27 18:42
DaemonFC	The reasoning for dropping xmms was that nobody was going to port it to GTK+ 2 and it was the last package that still used GTK+ 1.	Dec 27 18:43
DaemonFC	Fedora held on to xmms for a long time.	Dec 27 18:43
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Sosumi	I was just joking when I mentioned the "year of the desktop linux"	Dec 27 18:55
Sosumi	and from my POV, desktop linux is great	Dec 27 18:55
Sosumi	the only workings gnu/linux needs as a whole is the ease to install proprietary drivers	Dec 27 18:56
Sosumi	like the nvidia ones	Dec 27 18:56
Sosumi	also I think I'll be pulling the trigger on a maxed dell precision t7600 to replace one of my mac pros	Dec 27 18:58
Sosumi	which also means the I'm departing from osx for some of my stuff	Dec 27 18:58
Sosumi	after one year of getting things ready	Dec 27 18:59
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iophk	http://theconversation.com/facebooks-so-uncool-but-its-morphing-into-a-different-beast-21548	Dec 27 20:00
TechrightsBot-tr	theconversation.com \| Facebook's so uncool, but it's morphing into a different beast [ http://ur1.ca/g9gkt ]	Dec 27 20:00
iophk	http://torrentfreak.com/google-discarded-21000000-takedown-requests-in-2013-131227/	Dec 27 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr	torrentfreak.com \| Google Discarded 21,000,000 Takedown Requests in 2013 \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g9rd1 ]	Dec 27 20:07
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DaemonFC	Sosumi, We don't need proprietary drivers.	Dec 27 20:41
DaemonFC	We need to support the companies that provide usable Free drivers whenever we can do that.	Dec 27 20:41
Sosumi	well ofc	Dec 27 20:41
DaemonFC	The open source Radeon driver is getting quite good.	Dec 27 20:42
Sosumi	but until the mentality finally changes	Dec 27 20:42
DaemonFC	I removed the proprietary one a while ago.	Dec 27 20:42
Sosumi	are they also good for opencl?	Dec 27 20:42
DaemonFC	For some time, it was only usable for basic use cases, like it would run kwin and Mutter with decent support, but now it's even running my video games at full speed.	Dec 27 20:42
DaemonFC	So, instead of proprietary drivers, people should just be using the latest version of Fedora.	Dec 27 20:43
Sosumi	yes, but do the free drivers support opencl?	Dec 27 20:43
DaemonFC	It's the easiest way to make sure everything works well, and probably 95% of Radeon users don't even need to do anything else.	Dec 27 20:43
DaemonFC	Well, I haven't paid close attention to that.	Dec 27 20:43
DaemonFC	I know there's something called Gallium Compute and that AMD is working on supporting that in the open source driver.	Dec 27 20:44
DaemonFC	I don't know what hardware that works with, or to what extent, but the 3d/OpenGL support is very good.	Dec 27 20:44
Sosumi	that's nice, I'll have to check Gallium Compute then	Dec 27 20:45
DaemonFC	It's a Catalyst replacement on my Radeon HD 5670, and from the Phoronix benchmarks, the support is very good to excellent up through the 7000 series.	Dec 27 20:45
DaemonFC	If you're going to go with an IGP, then definitely get an all-AMD system.	Dec 27 20:45
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DaemonFC	Intel doesn't support Gallium3d.	Dec 27 20:45
DaemonFC	They're basically the only user of Classic Mesa that's left.	Dec 27 20:46
DaemonFC	And they might maintain it well enough for Intel hardware, but Gallium3d is just better in every case that I've seen both a classic and a gallium driver in action on the same hardware.	Dec 27 20:46
DaemonFC	When Fedora switched me from Classic to Gallium, my card got faster, there were fewer rendering glitches, and the performance immediately improved.	Dec 27 20:47
DaemonFC	So, I think that Intel hardware could be faster if they'd switch to Gallium.	Dec 27 20:47
DaemonFC	There's a much larger difference in performance between Intel's Windows driver and their open source Linux driver, and I believe that's why.	Dec 27 20:47
DaemonFC	There's bottlenecks in their Linux stack and they're not showing any interest in getting rid of those because they don't want to do the porting work.	Dec 27 20:48
DaemonFC	The performance on Linux isn't bad, but I think that holding out on Classic Mesa is bringing their 3d performance down 15-20%.	Dec 27 20:48
DaemonFC	So, that's not good.	Dec 27 20:49
DaemonFC	AMD went ahead and just rewrote the driver, which probably set them back several months, but with better results in the end.	Dec 27 20:49
DaemonFC	Every Radeon that's newer than like 2003 is using DRI2, kernel mode setting, and Gallium3d now.	Dec 27 20:50
DaemonFC	The older hardware still works, but eventually it will end up being unsupported because it's just too much work to maintain and there's not enough of it left to be properly tested.	Dec 27 20:51
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 20:51
DaemonFC	The hardware that's older than ~2001 is in the process of being dropped from Fedora.	Dec 27 20:51
DaemonFC	That's not really as big of a deal as it sounds. Very little of it is actually still in use, and people that still rely on it can make a pretty easy transition from Fedora to one of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux clones based on RHEL 7, and then they can just keep using it for another 10 years or until the machine fails.	Dec 27 20:53
DaemonFC	So, 23 years of hardware support for consumer PC hardware is pretty fantastic. You never get anything like that on Windows.	Dec 27 20:53
DaemonFC	On Windows, there's a lot of XP-era hardware where nobody was even able to install Vista, and they bought the computer in 2005, and Vista was out in 2006.	Dec 27 20:54
DaemonFC	I got into that situation twice. The first time was when I had a 3dfx Voodoo card that I was using on Windows 98, and there was never an official Windows XP driver for it, so that machine was stuck on Windows Me. Then there was a laptop I bought in 2005 that didn't have a Vista driver for the radeon chipset in 2006!	Dec 27 20:55
DaemonFC	So, I just switched that machine over to GNU/Linux and it kept working until I sold the laptop on Craigslist last year. Those old ATI IGPs were never really all that fun to have to....use. Their newer ones are much better.	Dec 27 20:56
Sosumi	all I have at moment is a custom built pc tower with 4 gtx titans	Dec 27 21:05
Sosumi	that I built as test bed for gnu/linux	Dec 27 21:06
DaemonFC	From a post on my Facebook wall:	Dec 27 21:07
DaemonFC	But, would we really want a GNU/Linux port of iTunes? It's already the worst program available for Windows. I've had people bring in their Windows computers that stopped working because iTunes was installed. It's happened on at least three occasions. Upgrading to Windows XP Service Pack 3 with iTunes installed caused Windows to fail to boot. Upgrading to Windows Vista Service Pack 1 did the same thing. Then the same thing happened to some	Dec 27 21:07
DaemonFC	users when they upgraded from Windows Vista to Windows 7. iTunes for Windows uses several hundred megabytes of RAM, does not respect the Windows Human Interface Guidelines, installs unrelated software that the user didn't ask for, installs insecure system level services that are frequently used by malware to help themselves circumvent process integrity tokens, and are using many Apple libraries that are inefficient, slow, and poorly ported.	Dec 27 21:07
DaemonFC	Then when you get it, you have this behemoth that inflicts Digital Restrictions Malware on your movies, videos, and books, and prevents you from sharing copies to help your friends.	Dec 27 21:07
DaemonFC	Friends don't let friends buy Apple! (Well, they can buy whatever they want. It's their money. But, they should have some idea of what they're getting into....)	Dec 27 21:07
DaemonFC	*it is using	Dec 27 21:08
DaemonFC	rather	Dec 27 21:08
Sosumi	why would anyone want to use itunes? to get bombarded with adds for booincee? dustin beever? or milley virus?	Dec 27 21:09
Sosumi	or the other kyloton of garbage that composes the top page of itunes	Dec 27 21:09
Sosumi	for winblows users eac+foobar is ok	Dec 27 21:10
Sosumi	or the monkey player	Dec 27 21:11
MinceR	to put files on their hypePhone	Dec 27 21:11
Sosumi	for gnu/linux, amarok and cd extraction with the kde burner is also fine	Dec 27 21:11
MinceR	which they bought so they could be a member of the cult	Dec 27 21:11
Sosumi	hypePhone is kind of garbage	Dec 27 21:11
Sosumi	only 1GB of ram on the latest model	Dec 27 21:12
Sosumi	the cheaper priced note 3 has 3GB	Dec 27 21:12
Sosumi	and I don't need to fake apple certificates in order to install my own stuff on the phone	Dec 27 21:13
Sosumi	through itunes without jailbraking	Dec 27 21:13
Sosumi	and I don't think that's possible anymore	Dec 27 21:13
Sosumi	but at least was during the iphone 3g days	Dec 27 21:14
Sosumi	*possible	Dec 27 21:14
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IKE2lCoNqY	Dec 27 21:14
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Miley Cyrus - Wrecking Ball PARODY - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g2ry9 ]	Dec 27 21:14
DaemonFC	B-)	Dec 27 21:14
Sosumi	lol	Dec 27 21:15
DaemonFC	I've been using GNOME Web more lately.	Dec 27 21:16
DaemonFC	I noticed that it can play WebM and h264, so I don't need Flash.	Dec 27 21:16
DaemonFC	Some sites seem to treat it as a mobile browser though... Not sure why that happens.	Dec 27 21:17
Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNb_SSE-jVc	Dec 27 21:17
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Dio - Sacred Heart - HD Live - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g9rom ]	Dec 27 21:17
Sosumi	I wish they still made music like that	Dec 27 21:17
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4OwxI8QVTU	Dec 27 21:17
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Lady Gaga - Applause (Official) PARODY - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g9rop ]	Dec 27 21:17
MinceR	maybe its UserAgent string looks mobile-ish	Dec 27 21:18
Sosumi	no idea	Dec 27 21:18
DaemonFC	Well, most of Youtube and some porn sites use HTML 5 now.	Dec 27 21:18
DaemonFC	Flash is clearly on the way out. That's good.	Dec 27 21:18
Sosumi	lol, I wander how you know that, porn sites, lol	Dec 27 21:19
DaemonFC	Because I'm a guy.	Dec 27 21:21
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 21:21
DaemonFC	Gadgets, video games, and porn.	Dec 27 21:22
DaemonFC	You get an Android phone and start trying to make it play video games and porn.	Dec 27 21:22
DaemonFC	It's just natural.	Dec 27 21:22
DaemonFC	The first thing that I ended up having an argument with Tim about was the "You don't flush condoms!" argument.	Dec 27 21:23
DaemonFC	I've never actually had them plug up the toilet (some people have I've heard), but my mom was over one day and flushed the toilet, and one surfaced. That was probably 5-6 years ago.	Dec 27 21:24
DaemonFC	So, today's PSA is don't flush condoms.	Dec 27 21:24
DaemonFC	That's really what they need to be researching. Flushable condoms.	Dec 27 21:25
DaemonFC	Maybe Bill Gates can give them some money to do that.	Dec 27 21:25
DaemonFC	Sosumi, A funny thing happened in Texas today.	Dec 27 21:32
DaemonFC	The state government passed harsh laws because of the "knockout game", which black teenagers are supposedly playing with white people as the victims.	Dec 27 21:32
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DaemonFC	So, it passed due to racist hysteria, and then the first person actually arrested and charged under the new law is a white teenager that assaulted a 79 year old black man.	Dec 27 21:33
DaemonFC	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/26/1265483/-Racial-Narrative-Of-Knockout-Game-Blown-As-White-Guy-Clobbers-Elderly-Black-Man?detail=facebook	Dec 27 21:33
TechrightsBot-tr	www.dailykos.com \| Daily Kos: Racial Narrative Of Knockout Game Blown As White Guy Clobbers Elderly Black Man [ http://ur1.ca/g9rve ]	Dec 27 21:33
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Sosumi	lol	Dec 27 21:35
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Sosumi	I'm not really into pron, I'd prefer the real thing way more, but nvm on that	Dec 27 21:36
Sosumi	I'll be wearing my wizard cloak in 6 years	Dec 27 21:37
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Sosumi	as for the knockout game,	Dec 27 21:37
Sosumi	it's dumb and ppl can actually get killed	Dec 27 21:37
DaemonFC	The problem with porn is that it sets your expectations too high.	Dec 27 21:38
DaemonFC	And then your significant other finds your stash and yells at you and asks why they aren't good enough.	Dec 27 21:38
Sosumi	broken necks, falling on the street and getting run over by a passing car/bus	Dec 27 21:38
DaemonFC	Then you counter with "But you're not always here!" and then they say "So now I'm not spending enough time with you!?"	Dec 27 21:38
DaemonFC	So, it rapidly deteriorates from there and there's no way to win that argument.	Dec 27 21:39
Sosumi	my secret stash is filled of math and computer pron	Dec 27 21:39
Sosumi	and anime....	Dec 27 21:39
Sosumi	featuring giant mechas	Dec 27 21:39
Sosumi	so I guess I'm always safe	Dec 27 21:40
DaemonFC	And then later, you really do want to have sex and they pick up where they left off.	Dec 27 21:40
DaemonFC	"Oh, I'm not one of those models on those porn sites, so just go in there and flip the computer on, you animal!"	Dec 27 21:40
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 21:41
Sosumi	lol	Dec 27 21:41
DaemonFC	So, yeah, porn came back to bite me last weekend.	Dec 27 21:42
Sosumi	I guess that in no time you'll be able to 3d print living tissue	Dec 27 21:42
Sosumi	and you'll be able to make your dream girl when that happens	Dec 27 21:42
Sosumi	but tell, how did pron came back to bite you	Dec 27 21:43
Sosumi	or don't tell :P	Dec 27 22:02
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-27/france-wants-tax-youtube-and-facebook-videos	Dec 27 22:02
TechrightsBot-tr	www.zerohedge.com \| France Wants To Tax YouTube And Facebook Videos \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g9rzn ]	Dec 27 22:02
Sosumi	or they'll surrender	Dec 27 22:02
Sosumi	http://rt.com/news/underreported-news-stories-2013-836/	Dec 27 22:07
TechrightsBot-tr	rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g9s0f ]	Dec 27 22:07
Sosumi	Swartz, Fracking, Manning, GMO: 13 most underreported news stories of 2013	Dec 27 22:07
Sosumi	nor real news about gene patenting	Dec 27 22:08
Sosumi	Swartz didn't even make it to portuguese news	Dec 27 22:09
Sosumi	and since I'm in an EU country	Dec 27 22:09
Sosumi	what else didn't make it to the news	Dec 27 22:09
Sosumi	outside of a small 5 secs tidbit	Dec 27 22:09
Sosumi	the banking and fiscal union!	Dec 27 22:10
Sosumi	what else didn't make it to the news? the eurocorps	Dec 27 22:10
Sosumi	but hey as long as there is Mourinho, Ronaldo and whatever, no one cares	Dec 27 22:11
Sosumi	teardowns of the buttplug pro have shown up	Dec 27 22:19
Sosumi	and a major flaw has been detected, at least by me,	Dec 27 22:20
Sosumi	voltage regulators on the gpu cards aren't cooled	Dec 27 22:20
Sosumi	and that never happens with high end cards	Dec 27 22:20
Sosumi	they're just standing there with no contact with the central heathsink nor have a small heathsink on top	Dec 27 22:21
Sosumi	and those things do get hot	Dec 27 22:21
Sosumi	and cram is way too near the gpu	Dec 27 22:22
Sosumi	*vram	Dec 27 22:22
Sosumi	I pretty much doubt the reliability of the system in the long term	Dec 27 22:22
Sosumi	http://blog.macsales.com/22108-new-mac-pro-2013-teardown	Dec 27 22:23
TechrightsBot-tr	blog.macsales.com \| New Mac Pro 2013 Teardown \| Other World Computing Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g9s2c ]	Dec 27 22:23
Sosumi	and I pretty much doubt about voltage stability into that thing	Dec 27 22:24
MinceR	that's ok, those aren't high end cards :>	Dec 27 22:24
Sosumi	simply because even single slot boards have more capacitors that, including passively cooled ones than that	Dec 27 22:25
Sosumi	no	Dec 27 22:25
Sosumi	I'm starting to think they are underclocked 7850	Dec 27 22:25
Sosumi	since in single gpu bench it can't even beat a gtx680	Dec 27 22:26
Sosumi	crapple is selling you planned obsolescence with that thing	Dec 27 22:28
MinceR	the underclocking and the crApple retardation are what makes them non-high-end :>	Dec 27 22:28
Sosumi	yet, they're charging as it it was high end	Dec 27 22:29
DaemonFC	The last big problem for the open source radeon driver is power management.	Dec 27 22:29
DaemonFC	Proper power management support exists in Linux 3.12, but it's not stable on every card, so it's not on by default.	Dec 27 22:29
DaemonFC	I've forced it on with my card (Radeon HD 5670), and it hasn't caused problems.	Dec 27 22:29
MinceR	well yes, the price was always "high end" :>	Dec 27 22:30
Sosumi	the problem is that now they actually went full retardom with the pricing	Dec 27 22:31
MinceR	they create demand with high prices	Dec 27 22:31
Sosumi	it's like if they had no shame or guilt	Dec 27 22:31
Sosumi	yes, just like Bernays said on Propaganda	Dec 27 22:31
MinceR	they have no shame or guilt	Dec 27 22:31
MinceR	they never had any	Dec 27 22:31
Sosumi	I kind of quoted him, but at least they could have kept some morals when pricing their stuff	Dec 27 22:32
MinceR	this is the company that takes what others build, sells it and then screams that others have "stolen" it from them	Dec 27 22:32
MinceR	and sues everyone	Dec 27 22:32
Sosumi	yeah, but back in 2004 and so on to 2009	Dec 27 22:33
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Sosumi	they actually had nice stuff that was reasonably priced	Dec 27 22:34
Sosumi	but now, they're asking way more for a lot less	Dec 27 22:34
Sosumi	or crippled in a way or another	Dec 27 22:34
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MinceR	what nice stuff?	Dec 27 22:34
Sosumi	powermacs	Dec 27 22:34
MinceR	well, those are valued merely because they're based on PowerPC	Dec 27 22:34
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MinceR	and not many computers are/were	Dec 27 22:34
MinceR	as far as i can tell	Dec 27 22:35
Sosumi	top of the line models were way cheaper than an equivalent IBM powerstation	Dec 27 22:35
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Sosumi	the mac pros were also nice	Dec 27 22:35
Sosumi	and decently priced	Dec 27 22:35
Sosumi	specially if you equated the student discount	Dec 27 22:35
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxNTk	Dec 27 22:38
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] 13 Reasons Linux 3.13 Is Going To Be Very Exciting [ http://ur1.ca/g9s48 ]	Dec 27 22:38
DaemonFC	The dynamic power management support in Radeon will be on by default in Linux 3.13.	Dec 27 22:38
DaemonFC	People using Radeon HD 7000 series or higher should switch to a Linux 3.13 pre-release immediately.	Dec 27 22:39
DaemonFC	You can't switch to the higher clock speeds without DPM on those cards, apparently.	Dec 27 22:39
DaemonFC	The older kernels would just put the card in High Performance mode all the time.	Dec 27 22:39
DaemonFC	Noisy, but fast. :P	Dec 27 22:40
DaemonFC	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RawhideKernelNodebug	Dec 27 22:40
TechrightsBot-tr	fedoraproject.org \| RawhideKernelNodebug - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/g9s4f ]	Dec 27 22:40
Sosumi	well that's nice	Dec 27 22:41
Sosumi	and it seems iptables are going away	Dec 27 22:41
DaemonFC	hmmm	Dec 27 22:42
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_goods	Dec 27 22:42
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| Veblen good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g9s4l ]	Dec 27 22:42
DaemonFC	The rawhide kernel is still 3.12.5 right now.	Dec 27 22:42
DaemonFC	I guess I could just install the one from Koji for now.	Dec 27 22:44
DaemonFC	The current build has debugging turned off at the moment anyway. :P	Dec 27 22:45
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DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_39_313&num=1	Dec 27 22:53
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Linux 3.9 Through Early Linux 3.13 Kernel Benchmarks [ http://ur1.ca/g9s6i ]	Dec 27 22:53
DaemonFC	Basically, if you're not running Linux 3.12 yet, get it. :)	Dec 27 22:54
MinceR	unless you want to find out if there are any issues :>	Dec 27 22:56
MinceR	i mean, before upgrading	Dec 27 22:56
DaemonFC	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/04/1250949/-Who-Was-the-Last-President-to-Outpoll-Non-Voters	Dec 27 22:58
TechrightsBot-tr	www.dailykos.com \| Daily Kos: Who Was the Last President to Outpoll Non-Voters? [ http://ur1.ca/g9s76 ]	Dec 27 22:58
DaemonFC	"In the last election, voter turnout was only 53.6%. That means that, of the voting age population (VAP), 46.4% did not vote, 27.4% voted for Obama, and 25.3% voted for Romney. That's right. All of that media coverage and money, and Obama didn't even get the votes of 30% of the voting age population (or, if you check, the voting eligible population)."	Dec 27 22:58
DaemonFC	It reminds me of that Saturday Night Live skit in 1997 with the Bill Clinton impersonator thanking the 20-some percent of Americans that voted for him.	Dec 27 22:59
MinceR	i guess humans in general are just too stupid for democracy	Dec 27 22:59
MinceR	and all the other systems we've tried are even worse	Dec 27 22:59
DaemonFC	He started out by saying that he thanked the majority of Americans who voted for him, then he worked his way back to the percentage of registered voters, then the people who actually voted, and came up with something like 23%.	Dec 27 22:59
DaemonFC	Then he worked back from there and threw in all of the people under 18 that can't vote, and thanked the (I'm just going to say) 14% that voted for him.	Dec 27 23:00
DaemonFC	and that he appreciated their show of confidence :)	Dec 27 23:00
DaemonFC	Most people don't vote.	Dec 27 23:01
DaemonFC	In a way, I guess they're voting. By not showing up, they're saying that they don't care what happens, and then when whatever happens happens.	Dec 27 23:02
DaemonFC	The Carlin approach.	Dec 27 23:02
DaemonFC	*and then whatever happens happens.	Dec 27 23:02
MinceR	and then something bad happens and it turns out they had an idea for something better	Dec 27 23:03
DaemonFC	For the most part, I see my vote as, at most, nudging the election towards the less unfavorable outcome.	Dec 27 23:03
DaemonFC	It's going to be bad either way.	Dec 27 23:03
MinceR	hungary is an exception though, the majority seems to enjoy being oppressed in a fundie nazi dictatorship	Dec 27 23:03
DaemonFC	Hungary seems to have more extreme political parties than we do.	Dec 27 23:04
MinceR	yes, we have the extreme communazi parties, the extreme stupid party and the parties nobody cares about	Dec 27 23:04
MinceR	to be fair, nobody cares about the extreme stupid party either	Dec 27 23:04
DaemonFC	The Democrats are bad, the Republicans are worse, and the Tea Party Republicans are insane.	Dec 27 23:05
DaemonFC	So, I vote for Democrats.	Dec 27 23:05
MinceR	i'll vote for the biggest alliance that aims to restore democracy	Dec 27 23:06
MinceR	but it will fail anyway	Dec 27 23:06
DaemonFC	The Tea Party has pretty much gone as far as they could possibly go, and now they're starting to lose seats.	Dec 27 23:06
DaemonFC	The Democrats are at least moderate Keynesians.	Dec 27 23:07
DaemonFC	They don't go far enough. They'll never pass a stimulus program that's big enough, and they'll never propose a full employment plan.	Dec 27 23:07
DaemonFC	The Republicans are split. The "business Republicans" want to slash the safety net, and gorge the military contractors and big business with government handouts.	Dec 27 23:08
DaemonFC	and the Tea Party wants to get rid of the government completely	Dec 27 23:08
DaemonFC	Some businesses like that approach.	Dec 27 23:08
DaemonFC	No regulations. No environmental or labor standards, etc.	Dec 27 23:09
DaemonFC	So really, it's a civil war between businesses that want government handouts, and businesses that want the government to go away and stop bothering them while they dump toxic waste anywhere they please.	Dec 27 23:09
DaemonFC	The Tea Party would turn the United States into Mexico North.	Dec 27 23:10
DaemonFC	We're getting there, but not fast enough for them. :)	Dec 27 23:10
DaemonFC	In Mexico, I'd be considered "the middle class".	Dec 27 23:10
DaemonFC	Pretty soon I'll be "the middle class" here.	Dec 27 23:11
DaemonFC	That's not a good thing. Instead of moving upward into the old American-style middle class, it means that our middle class is being beaten into the ground and eventually will be as broke as I am now.	Dec 27 23:11
DaemonFC	That's exactly what NAFTA was designed to do.	Dec 27 23:12
DaemonFC	The Mexican government has basically said that they have no plans to fix the income inequality that is going on there.	Dec 27 23:13
DaemonFC	They have a hell of a lot of poor people, and a few that are extremely rich.	Dec 27 23:13
DaemonFC	That's what the United States is moving towards.	Dec 27 23:13
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DaemonFC	For many people, it's here now.	Dec 27 23:13
DaemonFC	The United States has gotten so bad, that it's at the point where it's too expensive to send jobs overseas, and companies like Apple are starting to bring them back here.	Dec 27 23:14
DaemonFC	Because they can pay their workers the equivalent of $6.50 (in 2002 dollars) to assemble Mac PCs.	Dec 27 23:14
DaemonFC	I guess it ends when we're at the point where China is outsourcing jobs to the United States and is paying us to accept their toxic waste.	Dec 27 23:15
Sosumi	it's the return of the plantation economy	Dec 27 23:15
DaemonFC	The right-wing economic endgame has always been to destroy labor and give rise to finance. It's been going on since the Reagan 80s, and we're getting very near to the ultimate goal.	Dec 27 23:21
DaemonFC	Banks in the United States are now borrowing money from the Federal Reserve at next to nothing. It's like 0.75%. Then they turn around and lend that money to people at 20-40% compound APR on credit cards, 4-20% for auto loans. It's really hard to get a mortgage right now because banks don't like to have that long term risk. They make a lot of money in the end, if they can convince someone else to buy the risk, but since the housing meltdown	Dec 27 23:25
DaemonFC	happened, that's no longer really much of an option, so there are 22 empty homes for every homeless person in America, and the banks are just sitting on them until they're fit to be torn down, then they let the taxpayers pay to tear them down. It keeps housing prices high, and increases their profits from the people they do approve for mortgages.	Dec 27 23:25
DaemonFC	All of the money that Congress approved for President Obama to spend on keeping people who were victimized by banks in their houses is just sitting there, untouched. He's one of their guys. Basically, he's a Republican that sometimes talks like a Democrat.	Dec 27 23:27
DaemonFC	That's what's really pissing people off, but I don't think they understand that he's not a liberal or a progressive.	Dec 27 23:28
Sosumi	same thing here	Dec 27 23:39
Sosumi	banks bad debt got transfered to the government and it's now sovereign debt, which prompted the bailout	Dec 27 23:40
Sosumi	meanwhile, the other banks are getting money from the ECB at record lows, but instead of actually lending that money, they just sit on it	Dec 27 23:41
Sosumi	and use it to gamble in the derivatives market	Dec 27 23:41
Sosumi	meanwhile, there's no job recovery, small/medium businesses are closing or relocating	Dec 27 23:42
Sosumi	and the entire thing is being paid by a massive taxed burden	Dec 27 23:43
Sosumi	*tax	Dec 27 23:43
Sosumi	and if you're a retiree, you may as well just drop dead	Dec 27 23:44
Sosumi	because the gov after confiscating secondary pensions is already announcing more pension cuts for next year	Dec 27 23:45
Sosumi	not mentioning that they, the retirees, actually discounted during their years on the workforce to actually receive that pension	Dec 27 23:46
Sosumi	because in the way pensions are being put	Dec 27 23:47
Sosumi	both gov and media make them seem like if they are some special favor that social security is doing	Dec 27 23:48
DaemonFC	Social Security in the United States would be easy to fix.	Dec 27 23:50
DaemonFC	They don't want to fix it.	Dec 27 23:50
DaemonFC	It's easier to let it go to hell, then tear it down because it's "broken".	Dec 27 23:51
DaemonFC	It's what the wealthy elite want to do anyway.	Dec 27 23:51
DaemonFC	GNOME Web is now using Webkit2	Dec 28 00:00
DaemonFC	nice	Dec 28 00:00
MinceR	https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1482787_473200592789269_1902900877_n.jpg	Dec 28 00:04
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Sosumi	I've warned countless of times that the pretest here is to deem social security unsustainable and then privatize it	Dec 28 00:30
Sosumi	just like they did with some public hospitals	Dec 28 00:30
Sosumi	but guess what happened after that	Dec 28 00:30
Sosumi	some ended up in need of a bail out	Dec 28 00:30
Sosumi	while others are being restructured	Dec 28 00:31
Sosumi	but here's the bigger catch	Dec 28 00:31
Sosumi	the direction of those hospitals was kept just like it was	Dec 28 00:32
Sosumi	and incompetence, as usual, was rewarded	Dec 28 00:32
DaemonFC	I liked Sprint on Facebook. I don't normally like companies on Facebook, but they've been pretty decent.	Dec 28 00:34
*DaemonFC doesn't miss AT&T at all.		Dec 28 00:34
DaemonFC	I haven't found an area where I don't get at least voice calls and texts. My mom had to borrow my phone twice the other day because we were in AT&T's dead zones. :)	Dec 28 00:35
DaemonFC	They do shut off your data when you're using a Verizon tower though. :P	Dec 28 00:35
Sosumi	well that's nice	Dec 28 00:36
Sosumi	but facebook.......... you know that I kind of hate that company and even more its CEO	Dec 28 00:38
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Sosumi	he's probably one of those guys I'd love to punch all day long	Dec 28 00:38
DaemonFC	http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/opinion/krugman-the-fear-economy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0	Dec 28 00:47
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DaemonFC	http://business.time.com/2013/12/26/mcdonalds-employee-website-yanked-after-ridicule/?iid=biz-article-mostpop1	Dec 28 03:07
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schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2013/12/28/facebbook-useless/	Dec 28 09:35
TechrightsBot-tr	schestowitz.com \| schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » A Year Without Facebook [ http://ur1.ca/g9um1 ]	Dec 28 09:35
iophk	Netcraft says the site was running M$ IIS, yet the article implies that IBM is to blame...	Dec 28 10:28
iophk	http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/retail/myer-website-down-until-further-notice-20131227-2zz91.html	Dec 28 10:28
TechrightsBot-tr	www.brisbanetimes.com.au \| Myer website down 'until further notice' [ http://ur1.ca/g9uwn ]	Dec 28 10:28
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3457140	Dec 28 10:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![](http://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/copyrightWrapper/watermark.php?display=true&image=http://bp2.uuuploads.com/cute-baby-animals/cute-baby-animals-35.jpg)	Dec 28 10:44
schestowitz	" miche-miche"	Dec 28 10:44
schestowitz	iophk: IBM installs Windows also	Dec 28 10:45
schestowitz	"	Dec 28 10:45
schestowitz	He said teams from IBM and Myer's information technology division were "working furiously" to fix the problem.	Dec 28 10:45
schestowitz	Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/myer-website-down-until-further-notice-20131227-2zz91.html#ixzz2olVbiwGQ	Dec 28 10:45
TechrightsBot-tr	www.smh.com.au \| Myer website down 'until further notice' [ http://ur1.ca/g9uzn ]	Dec 28 10:45
schestowitz	"	Dec 28 10:45
schestowitz	Does tjay blame IMB?	Dec 28 10:45
schestowitz	That's the only sentence about IBM	Dec 28 10:46
schestowitz	And maybe IBM is migrating the site to system z is something	Dec 28 10:46
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 28 13:50
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iophk	(12:43:56 PM) schestowitz: And maybe IBM is migrating the site to system z is something	Dec 28 14:12
iophk	one can hope that they are leaving IIS	Dec 28 14:12
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3457662	Dec 28 14:23
TechrightsBot-tr	www.joindiaspora.com \| # Sorry, but it is/was a <a data-hovercard='/people/da68a1f811b0f71e' href="/u/schestowitz" class='mention hovercardable' >Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)</a> Day .... [ http://ur1.ca/g9w4s ]	Dec 28 14:23
schestowitz	> I dug it out of the spam catcher. there were more than 1700 spams there!	Dec 28 14:27
schestowitz	> wordpress does a decent job making it practical to have a comments	Dec 28 14:27
schestowitz	> function, and it only seems to get overzealous occasionally. sorry	Dec 28 14:27
schestowitz	> about that!	Dec 28 14:27
schestowitz	>	Dec 28 14:27
schestowitz	I have had the same problem, esp. in the past month. In fact, it brought apache to its knees (too much comment spam).	Dec 28 14:27
schestowitz	Re: http://linuxgizmos.com/linuxdevices-content-online-again/	Dec 28 14:27
TechrightsBot-tr	linuxgizmos.com \| LinuxDevices content returns to the Web · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/g8zxz ]	Dec 28 14:27
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3456540\	Dec 28 14:31
TechrightsBot-tr	@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu Is Storing Wi-Fi Passwords in Clear Text by Default http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Is-Storing-Wi-Fi-Passwords-in-Clear-Text-By-Default-412056.shtml too bad they can't hey basics right.	Dec 28 14:31
TechrightsBot-tr	-> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Is Storing Wi-Fi Passwords in Clear Text by Default [ http://ur1.ca/g9uwa ]	Dec 28 14:31
schestowitz	"Not just Ubuntu: All GNU Linux Distributions Store Wi-Fi Passwords in Plain Text If You Don’t Use Encryption http://news.softpedia.com/news/All-Linux-Distributions-Store-Wi-Fi-Passwords-in-Plain-Text-If-You-Don-t-Use-Encryption-412387.shtml "	Dec 28 14:31
TechrightsBot-tr	news.softpedia.com \| All Linux Distributions Store Wi-Fi Passwords in Plain Text If You Don’t Use Encryption [ http://ur1.ca/g9w5v ]	Dec 28 14:31
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schestowitz	> it's such a shame!	Dec 28 14:37
schestowitz	>	Dec 28 14:37
schestowitz	> well, I tagged your comment as not spam, but now I don't see it showing	Dec 28 14:37
schestowitz	> up. could you please resubmit it?	Dec 28 14:37
schestowitz	WordPress has a funny interface. After marking as "not spam" I think one still has to go to moderation queue to mark as "approved".	Dec 28 14:37
schestowitz	> found it! it went to pending status; now activated! good wordpress...	Dec 28 14:42
schestowitz	> have a bikkie!	Dec 28 14:42
schestowitz	I have just checked one of my spam queues too. I think I spent days of my life in total dealing with all this Microsoft Windows spewage... usually in vain.	Dec 28 14:42
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3457750	Dec 28 14:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Web stats firms show #facebook declining and others suggest it'll go the way of #myspace http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/27/facebook-dead-and-buried-to-teens-research-finds?CMP=twt_gu http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10539274/Young-users-see-Facebook-as-dead-and-buried.html	Dec 28 14:44
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.theguardian.com \| Facebook 'dead and buried to teens', research finds \| Technology \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/g9w7s ]	Dec 28 14:44
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.telegraph.co.uk \| Young users see Facebook as 'dead and buried' - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/g9w7t ]	Dec 28 14:44
schestowitz	'80% said they "were not concerned or did not care" if their personal data was available and accessed, either by an organisation or an individual"	Dec 28 14:44
schestowitz	NSA and corporate media: mission accomplished. They trust us!	Dec 28 14:44
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4kfRGuapY	Dec 28 14:45
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| 팩트TV Live 2013.12.28 (FactTV Korea Live) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g9w84 ]	Dec 28 14:45
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schestowitz	> wordpress actually manages spam quite effectively. it's rare to find a	Dec 28 15:10
schestowitz	> false positive. so I just let it do its thing. usually it opts for	Dec 28 15:10
schestowitz	> putting marginal comments in the moderation queue	Dec 28 15:10
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iophk	old - http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11	Dec 28 16:51
iophk	"That group always seemed to be profitable, but Sherlund says it's largely because of the Android money."	Dec 28 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr	www.businessinsider.com \| Microsoft Earns $2 Billion Per Year From Android Patent Royalties - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/g038h ]	Dec 28 16:51
iophk	with the new re-org, M$ can be hiding a lot of losses using the revenue from Android.	Dec 28 16:51
schestowitz	If there's any at all	Dec 28 17:32
schestowitz	I doubt it	Dec 28 17:32
schestowitz	Sherlund is not credible there	Dec 28 17:32
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/fud-campaign-analysts/	Dec 28 17:33
TechrightsBot-tr	techrights.org \| Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05hk ]	Dec 28 17:33
schestowitz	"The Apple I. It was in a nice wooden box."	Dec 28 17:46
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3455381	Dec 28 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #apple cannot complete, it is trying to ban #linux devices using lies and hype, as well as #patent #protectionism http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/apple-makes-new-bid-for-samsung-sales-ban-20131227-2zzcx.html	Dec 28 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.smh.com.au \| Apple makes new bid for Samsung sales ban [ http://ur1.ca/g9uw7 ]	Dec 28 17:46
MinceR	it was in whatever the one who built it from the kit put it in, wasn't it? :>	Dec 28 17:47
schestowitz	iophk: am going to migrate TuxMachines	Dec 28 18:00
schestowitz	Could use help with DB	Dec 28 18:00
iophk	ok	Dec 28 18:03
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DaemonFC	http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/12/28/mark-whittington-china-space/4209223/	Dec 28 21:16
TechrightsBot-tr	www.usatoday.com \| U.S. can still beat China back to moon: Column [ http://ur1.ca/g9xtx ]	Dec 28 21:16
DaemonFC	2 minutes ago · Edited	Dec 28 21:16
DaemonFC	Going back to the moon seems like a wasteful expense and a frivolous use of money. NASA already spent a lot of money on a vanity project to beat the Soviet Union to the moon. (The politicians were more concerned with projecting the United States' image as a superpower than scientific exploration. Ironically, George W. Bush threw away our position as a superpower in less than eight years by spending $10 trillion on war and tax cuts for the ri	Dec 28 21:16
DaemonFC	ch.)	Dec 28 21:16
DaemonFC	The only conceivable reason to return to the moon is because right-wing politicians have eviscerated NASA's budget (Now down to about 0.38% of federal spending) for so long that we not only no longer have a crewed space program, but most of the people who worked on the Apollo and Space Shuttle programs have retired or died. So, we have to backtrack and figure out how to do this again, as a prerequisite to a crewed mission to Mars.	Dec 28 21:16
DaemonFC	I've seen several realistic proposals for how we could colonize Mars.	Dec 28 21:16
DaemonFC	We might need to do that if we don't get our act together before Earth is a dead planet*, so the expense is justifiable.	Dec 28 21:16
DaemonFC	*Probably less than 100 years unless we switch to sustainable development and population growth in time.	Dec 28 21:16
Sosumi	so, how are you guys spending your last day of the year?	Dec 28 21:26
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MinceR	resting, eating, drinking, reading	Dec 28 21:28
Sosumi	no partying?	Dec 28 21:29
MinceR	listening to music, looking up stuff for a project	Dec 28 21:29
MinceR	it's a pretty good party, i'd say :>	Dec 28 21:29
Sosumi	:)	Dec 28 21:30
DaemonFC	I'll probably go to Bandidos and pig out, and have a couple of margaritas.	Dec 28 21:30
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 21:30
Sosumi	apparently everyone forgot about me, so I'll just be preparing for the finals and finishing the last project of the semester	Dec 28 21:35
Sosumi	but I guess I'll forget about them next year	Dec 28 21:35
DaemonFC	shared a link via Jezebel.	Dec 28 21:37
DaemonFC	8 seconds ago	Dec 28 21:37
DaemonFC	http://trib.al/Guv2yoX	Dec 28 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	jezebel.com \| Teens Loathe Facebook Because of All the Old People and Baby Pics	Dec 28 21:37
DaemonFC	Having a baby is not an accomplishment, nor is it particularly difficult. Even some fish can do it. I don't like reading the birth announcements in newspapers, because they aren't interesting, and they fuel natalist pressure which leads to the destruction of the environment. I find the obituaries to be much more interesting to read.	Dec 28 21:37
DaemonFC	(paraphrasing Richard Stallman)	Dec 28 21:37
Sosumi	ppl creating facebook picts for children or pets	Dec 28 21:38
MinceR	he's right.	Dec 28 21:38
Sosumi	kind of resemble that movie "Final Cut"	Dec 28 21:39
Sosumi	in which you'd get a brain implant at birth that'd record your entire life	Dec 28 21:39
Sosumi	so that when you died, a "cutter", would make a movie about your life to show at the funeral	Dec 28 21:40
Sosumi	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364343/	Dec 28 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr	www.imdb.com \| The Final Cut (2004) - IMDb	Dec 28 21:40
DaemonFC	shared a link via Daily Kos.	Dec 28 21:41
DaemonFC	19 minutes ago ·	Dec 28 21:41
DaemonFC	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/23/1264955/-This-graph-shows-why-solar-power-will-take-over-the-world?detail=facebook	Dec 28 21:41
TechrightsBot-tr	www.dailykos.com \| Daily Kos: This graph shows why solar power will take over the world [ http://ur1.ca/g9xwk ]	Dec 28 21:41
DaemonFC	The right-wing bribery organization known as ALEC is already telling the Republicans to pass laws that fine people for installing solar panels on their own rooftops.	Dec 28 21:41
DaemonFC	So much for freedom and liberty, huh?	Dec 28 21:41
DaemonFC	If I owned my own home, I'd be calling Solar City and having them install panels on my roof.	Dec 28 21:41
DaemonFC	You know...	Dec 28 21:41
Sosumi	lawl, you know....	Dec 28 21:41
DaemonFC	Rand Paul went on a 20 minute speech about the government requiring water-efficient toilets.	Dec 28 21:41
Sosumi	if solar panels do indeed take hold	Dec 28 21:42
DaemonFC	He said that people should be able to choose what kind of toilet goes into their bathroom.	Dec 28 21:42
MinceR	well, it's their idol Ronnie Raygun who removed the solar panels from the White House	Dec 28 21:42
MinceR	so no surprise there	Dec 28 21:42
DaemonFC	Now he's saying that he wants to stop people and private businesses from installing solar panels and wind turbines	Dec 28 21:42
Sosumi	they'll start taxing you for every watt of electricity you produce for your own use	Dec 28 21:42
DaemonFC	:/	Dec 28 21:42
Sosumi	just like they do in spain	Dec 28 21:42
MinceR	it's sad that about half of usians still take the republicans seriously	Dec 28 21:43
Sosumi	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24272061	Dec 28 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr	www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - Spain’s sunshine toll: Row over proposed solar tax [ http://ur1.ca/g9xx0 ]	Dec 28 21:43
Sosumi	http://www.aljazeera.com/video/europe/2013/10/spain-approves-tax-solar-panels-20131088950355608.html	Dec 28 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr	www.aljazeera.com \| Spain approves tax on solar panels - Europe - Al Jazeera English [ http://ur1.ca/g9xx7 ]	Dec 28 21:43
Sosumi	in Spain, they tax the "daylights" out of you	Dec 28 21:44
DaemonFC	Does anyone know if Windows Phone lets you install Firefox?	Dec 28 21:44
DaemonFC	I know iPhones don't allow that.	Dec 28 21:45
Sosumi	no idea	Dec 28 21:45
DaemonFC	I'm just curious. Facebook is posting Windows phone ads.	Dec 28 21:45
Sosumi	I've never seen a windows phone around	Dec 28 21:45
DaemonFC	If a phone doesn't allow Firefox, then I don't want the phone. Period. End of discussion. :)	Dec 28 21:45
MinceR	it's not a real firefox	Dec 28 21:45
MinceR	it uses the ie "engine" on winblows phony	Dec 28 21:45
DaemonFC	Seriously? Ewww.	Dec 28 21:45
MinceR	just like on hypeOS	Dec 28 21:45
Sosumi	facepalm	Dec 28 21:46
DaemonFC	No, Apple booted out Firefox Home, which wasn't even a browser.	Dec 28 21:46
MinceR	ic	Dec 28 21:46
DaemonFC	Mozilla said they won't make an iOS version until Apple allow them to use Gecko.	Dec 28 21:46
MinceR	m$ is really desperate to force that shitty excuse for a browser on people	Dec 28 21:46
MinceR	since no sane person wants to use it	Dec 28 21:46
DaemonFC	Apple told them they could make a Firefox app as long as it was really Safari underneath.	Dec 28 21:46
DaemonFC	Mozilla declined, and said it was because it wouldn't really be Firefox and they couldn't really claim to support the system Webkit or fix problems with it.	Dec 28 21:47
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 21:47
DaemonFC	So, I don't know why they'd use Trident on Windows Phone.	Dec 28 21:47
MinceR	:)	Dec 28 21:47
MinceR	http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/firefox/6544df57-dd9c-4a61-bf89-9ba3832b849c	Dec 28 21:47
TechrightsBot-tr	www.windowsphone.com \| Firefox \| Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States) [ http://ur1.ca/g9xxk ]	Dec 28 21:47
MinceR	this is what i've found	Dec 28 21:47
MinceR	dunno if it's fake	Dec 28 21:47
DaemonFC	There's a lot of Android browsers that use the system Webkit, but Firefox doesn't.	Dec 28 21:47
MinceR	"This app is no longer published", though	Dec 28 21:47
DaemonFC	Neither does Opera.	Dec 28 21:47
DaemonFC	Opera brings along its own Webkit.	Dec 28 21:47
MinceR	opera switched to khtml too	Dec 28 21:48
DaemonFC	Google allows that too.	Dec 28 21:48
MinceR	oh, its own	Dec 28 21:48
DaemonFC	Yeah, it's webkit, but it's Opera's webkit, not the system webkit.	Dec 28 21:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3457399	Dec 28 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr	@linux@joindiaspora.com: Not just Ubuntu: All GNU Linux Distributions Store Wi-Fi Passwords in Plain Text If You Don’t Use Encryption http://news.softpedia.com/news/All-Linux-Distributions-Store-Wi-Fi-Passwords-in-Plain-Text-If-You-Don-t-Use-Encryption-412387.shtml	Dec 28 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr	-> news.softpedia.com \| All Linux Distributions Store Wi-Fi Passwords in Plain Text If You Don’t Use Encryption [ http://ur1.ca/g9w5v ]	Dec 28 21:48
schestowitz	"The problem is not GNU/Linux distributions, is NetworkManager"	Dec 28 21:48
DaemonFC	I don't see a problem with that. It should be allowed. App developers can't fix problems that occur in the system webkit, so they shouldn't have to use it.	Dec 28 21:49
DaemonFC	If they want to take responsibility for what their app does, they should have the choice.	Dec 28 21:49
MinceR	i doubt that all GNU/Linux distributions ship with NetworkManager	Dec 28 21:49
MinceR	TinyCore didn't have it, iirc	Dec 28 21:49
MinceR	at least not by default	Dec 28 21:49
MinceR	neither did Angstrom	Dec 28 21:50
DaemonFC	Firefox for Android is Gecko. Opera is using its own webkit. Chrome uses its own webkit. Browser uses system webkit. Dolphin uses the system webkit.	Dec 28 21:50
MinceR	so that's yet another bullshit FUD headline	Dec 28 21:50
DaemonFC	It took me a while to figure all of this out.	Dec 28 21:50
DaemonFC	I like Gecko better than Webkit in general.	Dec 28 21:50
DaemonFC	Though webkit has gotten better...	Dec 28 21:50
MinceR	so do i	Dec 28 21:50
MinceR	gecko doesn't crash nearly as often	Dec 28 21:50
DaemonFC	GNOME Web with the latest GTK Webkit and Webkit 2 enabled is very nice.	Dec 28 21:51
DaemonFC	Yeah, Webkit crashes sometimes, but with Webkit 2 enabled, it only crashes one tab.	Dec 28 21:51
DaemonFC	So, GNOME Web is more like Chrome now.	Dec 28 21:51
DaemonFC	in that aspect	Dec 28 21:51
MinceR	for me it tended to take the browser with itself	Dec 28 21:51
MinceR	and in the case of crashium, the kernel	Dec 28 21:51
DaemonFC	Well, Firefox crashes take out the whole browser, but Firefox crashing is rare these days, and it has a recovery system so it's more of a nuisance than a real problem.	Dec 28 21:52
DaemonFC	It will even recover text you entered in entry fields.	Dec 28 21:52
DaemonFC	I like GNOME Web and Firefox. They're both good browsers.	Dec 28 21:53
DaemonFC	Firefox is definitely easier to customize, but GNOME Web is easier to use. I like the option "Enable web advertisements" as a checkbox in the settings menu by default.	Dec 28 21:53
DaemonFC	Firefox is never going to do that.	Dec 28 21:53
DaemonFC	Instead of that stupid-ass "DNT" thing.	Dec 28 21:54
DaemonFC	How about not loading ads and tracking sites in the first place?	Dec 28 21:54
DaemonFC	Adblock Edge is the way to go, but it should be built into the browser.	Dec 28 21:54
DaemonFC	The setup wizard should ask the user on first start if they even want to see ads.	Dec 28 21:54
DaemonFC	I guess that anyone would be free to fork Firefox and build in some of the more useful extensions.	Dec 28 21:55
DaemonFC	Many users that come from browsers like Safari or IE don't even know that Adblock Edge exists.	Dec 28 21:55
DaemonFC	When I set up Firefox for Dave, I put in Adblock Edge, and showed him how much more pleasant it was to use than IE.	Dec 28 21:56
DaemonFC	He's been using Firefox for a couple of years now.	Dec 28 21:56
DaemonFC	Thanks to GNOME Web, I was able to quit using Flash and remove it.	Dec 28 21:57
DaemonFC	Eventually, Fedora will probably build Firefox to play h264 if gstreamer supports it.	Dec 28 21:57
DaemonFC	They said they wanted to wait until upstream was using gstreamer 1.x	Dec 28 21:57
MinceR	doesn't it support the cisco blob yet?	Dec 28 21:57
DaemonFC	I don't know. The upstream build of Firefox 26 plays h264.	Dec 28 21:58
DaemonFC	They just use the system gstreamer.	Dec 28 21:58
DaemonFC	The Fedora build of Firefox is just faster and more secure.	Dec 28 21:58
DaemonFC	Upstream builds theirs with an old gcc, without the security options turned on, and on a RHEL clone, with static linked libraries.	Dec 28 21:59
DaemonFC	It's like proprietary software companies would distribute software.	Dec 28 21:59
DaemonFC	It works, but Fedora is always building Firefox better than upstream does.	Dec 28 21:59
MinceR	https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/970674	Dec 28 22:00
DaemonFC	It is better integrated into the system. It uses shared libraries and the latest gcc, with all of the security options of gcc turned on.	Dec 28 22:00
TechrightsBot-tr	support.mozilla.org \| Firefox support for Windows Phone 8 \| Firefox Support Forum \| Mozilla Support [ http://ur1.ca/g9xyx ]	Dec 28 22:00
DaemonFC	And it's sandboxed with selinux.	Dec 28 22:00
MinceR	free software is banned from m$'s overpriced paperweights	Dec 28 22:00
MinceR	(and iirc it's also banned from crApple's randomly set timebombs)	Dec 28 22:00
DaemonFC	I'll just use Android until the next cell phone upgrade.	Dec 28 22:01
DaemonFC	Then I'll see if I can get a Firefox Phone.	Dec 28 22:01
DaemonFC	For now, Android is the best option available.	Dec 28 22:01
DaemonFC	I do like the overall design goal of Firefox Phone better.	Dec 28 22:01
MinceR	i hope Tizen succeeds in some meaningful way	Dec 28 22:02
DaemonFC	Android is not the best option for a mobile OS, it's just the only option.	Dec 28 22:02
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 22:02
DaemonFC	I mean, really, what else are you going to choose? Windows? iOS?	Dec 28 22:02
DaemonFC	Garbage, totally proprietary, locking out competing software....	Dec 28 22:03
DaemonFC	Those aren't really an option for me.	Dec 28 22:03
MinceR	well, it's the only smartphone OS that isn't dead, apparently	Dec 28 22:04
DaemonFC	Android?	Dec 28 22:04
DaemonFC	iOS is still used. It's in decline though.	Dec 28 22:04
DaemonFC	Most of the people using it are not buying new devices, they just still have an iPhone 4 or something that they bought years ago.	Dec 28 22:05
DaemonFC	More and more of the newly activated devices are Android.	Dec 28 22:05
MinceR	android	Dec 28 22:05
DaemonFC	So, I think that as time goes on, and those old iPhones fail, more people will migrate to Android.	Dec 28 22:05
MinceR	hypeOS is not a smartphone OS.	Dec 28 22:05
DaemonFC	People are still using them because they already paid for them and they still work.	Dec 28 22:06
DaemonFC	It's the same reason Windows XP is still around, even though Windows 8/8.1 are out and people aren't buying it.	Dec 28 22:06
DaemonFC	There's still a lot of Windows XP machines out there that people have already paid for, that work "well enough".	Dec 28 22:07
DaemonFC	So, when those fail, they buy non-Windows devices, and Windows goes into decline.	Dec 28 22:07
DaemonFC	We're dealing with legacy constipation right now.	Dec 28 22:07
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 22:07
DaemonFC	with Windows XP and old iPhones.	Dec 28 22:07
DaemonFC	Whatever people choose today is something they'll still be using in 4-5 years until it just doesn't work anymore.	Dec 28 22:08
DaemonFC	So, Apple's decline will be much like the decline of Internet Explorer.	Dec 28 22:08
MinceR	in that case, i wonder what shenanigans will crApple try to force us to use their crap.	Dec 28 22:09
DaemonFC	It's already starting, MinceR.	Dec 28 22:10
MinceR	i'm guessing they'll try to buy and ruin all the remaining free software projects after CUPS.	Dec 28 22:10
DaemonFC	They launched the iPhone 5c, which is garbage at a price point that Walmart shoppers can afford.	Dec 28 22:10
MinceR	it's still massively overpriced	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	Then they funded a promotion that actually paid people to take them.	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	They marked them down to $49 with a 2 year contract, and then Apple themselves funded the $75 gift card you got for Walmart if you bought one.	Dec 28 22:11
MinceR	it still costs a magnitude more than an entry-level smartphone	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	So they were paying people $26 to take the phone.	Dec 28 22:11
MinceR	even though it's inferior to all of them in every way	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	Well, if you're in the budget phone market right now, the Moto G is the thing to get.	Dec 28 22:12
DaemonFC	They're usually free with a contract, or $199 unlocked.	Dec 28 22:12
MinceR	i think telcos are giving smartphones away "free" now	Dec 28 22:12
DaemonFC	And they're the best dub-$200 phone on the market right now	Dec 28 22:12
MinceR	(of course, on the long run, it's going to cost the customer plenty)	Dec 28 22:12
DaemonFC	Yeah. Sprint has the best deal.	Dec 28 22:12
DaemonFC	$80 a month for unlimited everything.	Dec 28 22:12
DaemonFC	That's not bad for a contract phone.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	AT&T with 1 GB of monthly data starts at $110.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	Then each GB you go over is $15, or you can add data to the plan for $10 per GB per month.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	So they'd charge someone like me a minimum of $140-150 for the way I use my Sprint phone.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	And Sprint's network is pretty damned good for what you're paying.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	It might not be quite as good as the others, but it's damned close, and it's basically half price.	Dec 28 22:14
DaemonFC	I get 4GLTE in most areas, and it's FAST.	Dec 28 22:14
MinceR	so do i	Dec 28 22:14
MinceR	well, not sure if it's 'most areas' yet	Dec 28 22:14
DaemonFC	Well, I figure that if their network is 90% as good for half the price, that it's a good deal in the end.	Dec 28 22:14
MinceR	but it's still a surprise after my telco said they aren't supporting LTE on phones at all.	Dec 28 22:14
DaemonFC	And they're still upgrading areas to LTE.	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	Pretty quickly...	Dec 28 22:15
MinceR	and one day it just started letting me use LTE.	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	I had 4G LTE for most of our trip to Ohio a few weeks ago.	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	Even out in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by a wind farm.	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	That was impressive.	Dec 28 22:15
MinceR	funny enough, i noticed that i got LTE service first on a mountain in budapest.	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	Sprint supports LTE, WiMax, and 3G networks.	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	on all of their new phones, at least.	Dec 28 22:16
DaemonFC	And they use all three standards on their network. It's kind of a mess.	Dec 28 22:16
DaemonFC	But it works, so what the hell? :)	Dec 28 22:16
DaemonFC	I've seen my phone use LTE, WiMax, and 3G on Sprint towers.	Dec 28 22:16
MinceR	i didn't know phones could use WiMax	Dec 28 22:16
DaemonFC	LTE and WiMax are both very fast. 3G isn't terrible.	Dec 28 22:16
DaemonFC	Yeah. Sprint started out with WiMax, and then switched over to LTE.	Dec 28 22:17
DaemonFC	So there's still some areas where you get WiMax because it's what they were building before they changed their minds.	Dec 28 22:17
DaemonFC	It works, and they've already paid for it, so they're leaving it alone.	Dec 28 22:17
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 22:17
DaemonFC	So their phones support LTE and WiMax.	Dec 28 22:18
DaemonFC	The user doesn't really need to care.	Dec 28 22:18
DaemonFC	They're both very fast.	Dec 28 22:18
DaemonFC	It's like when 56K modems were released, and you had competing standards.	Dec 28 22:18
MinceR	i don't think my phone supports WiMAX.	Dec 28 22:19
DaemonFC	ISPs would support K56Flex, V.90, and X2	Dec 28 22:19
DaemonFC	So, the modems for your PC just supported all of them, and then you had 56K no matter which standard your ISP supported.	Dec 28 22:19
DaemonFC	My ISP at the time supported K56Flex on one of their local numbers, and v.90 on the other one.	Dec 28 22:20
DaemonFC	I dialed into the K56Flex until the V.90 number was available.	Dec 28 22:20
DaemonFC	MinceR, Most don't.	Dec 28 22:20
MinceR	i don't know which ones my modem supported	Dec 28 22:21
DaemonFC	The LG G2 only supports WiMax if you buy it from Sprint.	Dec 28 22:21
DaemonFC	Everyone else that uses those towers gets 3G.	Dec 28 22:21
DaemonFC	Like, customers of other companies that are roaming on a Sprint tower, or people that bought unlocked phones.	Dec 28 22:22
DaemonFC	My phone also supports text and phone calls over wifi.	Dec 28 22:22
DaemonFC	So if I'm in a restaurant and can't get a signal, I can hop onto their free wifi and make calls and texts over that.	Dec 28 22:23
DaemonFC	That feature is mostly for people on other carriers though, that want to save their minutes.	Dec 28 22:23
DaemonFC	But I have unlimited minutes, so there's no reason to do that unless I can't get a signal.	Dec 28 22:23
Sosumi	I'll tell you the truth	Dec 28 22:27
Sosumi	I haven't seen and iphone past the 4s	Dec 28 22:28
DaemonFC	There's cheaper ways to get unlimited, but they do nasty things to you.	Dec 28 22:28
DaemonFC	Like Straight Talk for $45 a month, but you get second rate phones and third rate service.	Dec 28 22:28
DaemonFC	They don't actually want to turn around and pay the other carriers for unlimited, so they throttle you after 2.5 GB and then you're at 2G speed for the rest of the month.	Dec 28 22:29
DaemonFC	And the data coverage is spotty, so Tim has to connect to my wifi or his data barely even works at my apartment, even though he's using the same tower I am.	Dec 28 22:29
Sosumi	samsung phones happen to be the norm around here	Dec 28 22:30
MinceR	Sosumi: they're all the same	Dec 28 22:30
MinceR	i mean, hypePhones	Dec 28 22:30
Sosumi	and talking of samsung, one of the major retailers has 20% discount on all note 3 and galaxy s4	Dec 28 22:30
Sosumi	to the end of the year	Dec 28 22:30
Sosumi	http://www.fnac.pt/n284571/Precos-Minimos/Tecnologia/Smartphones-Samsung#bl=HGTELECblo1	Dec 28 22:31
TechrightsBot-tr	( status 400 @ http://www.fnac.pt/n284571/Precos-Minimos/Tecnologia/Smartphones-Samsung#bl=HGTELECblo1 )	Dec 28 22:31
DaemonFC	If you use a lot of data, Smart Talk disconnects your service and bans your phone.	Dec 28 22:31
DaemonFC	So you can't re-activate that phone, even though you paid $300 for the phone!	Dec 28 22:31
DaemonFC	So it's not unlimited. There's a limit, they just don't tell you what it is.	Dec 28 22:31
MinceR	that's not very Smart	Dec 28 22:31
MinceR	for some reason, ISPs seem to be fond of secret limits	Dec 28 22:32
DaemonFC	Yeah. They say unlimited, then in the fine print, they say they reserve the right to throw you off if you use it "excessively".	Dec 28 22:36
DaemonFC	Of course, there's no definition of excessive, so you don't know what that means.	Dec 28 22:36
DaemonFC	Comcast says that the "normal" usage of their customers is only like 5-6 GB a month. I don't know what these people are doing, but I use that in two or three days.	Dec 28 22:37
DaemonFC	Even watching a few Youtube videos per day, checking email, and browsing will use more than 5-6 GB a month.	Dec 28 22:38
MinceR	the telcos here like to define a set of protocols/services they happen to like	Dec 28 22:39
MinceR	and they punish you for using anything else	Dec 28 22:39
MinceR	that's why i haven't switched packages for a long time	Dec 28 22:39
MinceR	i don't know which one would be a less of a pain in the ass, if any of them would be	Dec 28 22:39
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3458229	Dec 28 22:47
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Rephrasing of the previous tweet: carriers were so eager to get their bribes from #cia that they made their customers insecure by design	Dec 28 22:47
schestowitz	"Gotchya. I saw the reference to "prior tweet" which made me kind of wonder. The brevity and volume of your posts has me tending to mute you. My general preference is for lower volume and higher relevance, and your content tends to dominate my stream otherwise."	Dec 28 22:47
schestowitz	I have posted short items in identica since 2009 and then expanded in my sites. It's mostly about the links really. Long posts I compose separately.	Dec 28 22:49
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Sosumi	not good for the mactards,	Dec 28 23:32
Sosumi	crossfired d700 perform as good as a single gtx680 on battlefield 4 maxed at 4k	Dec 28 23:33
Sosumi	the things I've been mentioning about the PSU have probably been confirmed	Dec 28 23:36
Sosumi	probably just there isn't enough juice to power the thing	Dec 28 23:37
oiaohm	Sosumi: exactly how is it not good for mactards.	Dec 28 23:39
oiaohm	Sosumi: they have lived with under powered video cards for so long now so what is the difference to them.	Dec 28 23:39
Sosumi	because now they have even less arguments against me, at least	Dec 28 23:39
Sosumi	in the flame wars with my colleagues	Dec 28 23:40
Sosumi	and some teachers	Dec 28 23:40
MinceR	it has the logo on it, isn't that enough for them?	Dec 28 23:46
MinceR	also, doesn't the RDF make them believe they've won all the arguments?	Dec 28 23:46
Sosumi	they could always put a sticker or laser engrave it on some third party box	Dec 28 23:46
Sosumi	RDF?	Dec 28 23:47
MinceR	Reality Distortion Field	Dec 28 23:47
Sosumi	don't worry, I can create a dirac sea of infinite negativity that will void all kinds of RDFs	Dec 28 23:50
MinceR	:)	Dec 28 23:50
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Sosumi	confirmed, apple selling rebranded underclocked radeons as firepros	Dec 22 02:03
Sosumi	and more ram on the top model	Dec 22 02:04
Sosumi	as it would be on a radeon	Dec 22 02:04
Sosumi	and why has it been confirmed? no ECC on the D700 which at first was thought to be a fire pro w9000	Dec 22 02:05
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Sosumi	and on OSX there's no distintion between workstation and consumer grade cards	Dec 22 02:07
Sosumi	aside from the vram	Dec 22 02:07
Sosumi	no special drivers, nothing	Dec 22 02:07
Sosumi	so yes crapple is selling snake oil on those	Dec 22 02:07
Sosumi	and I wander how much those cards are crippled in double precision	Dec 22 02:13
MinceR	gn	Dec 22 02:29
Sosumi	Mincer, don't forget to check for "things" under your bed	Dec 22 02:37
Sosumi	:P	Dec 22 02:37
MinceR	i know what things are there :>	Dec 22 02:38
MinceR	well, mostly	Dec 22 02:38
Sosumi	a dakimakura?	Dec 22 02:38
MinceR	nah	Dec 22 02:42
MinceR	a surge protector, an extension cord, some packaging, some food	Dec 22 02:43
MinceR	some dust bunnies	Dec 22 02:43
Sosumi	no cat?	Dec 22 02:43
MinceR	no cat	Dec 22 02:43
Sosumi	cats are cool	Dec 22 02:43
MinceR	sure, but this concrete box isn't fit for a cat to live in	Dec 22 02:45
MinceR	(also not fit for humans to live in, but it's what i'm stuck with)	Dec 22 02:45
Sosumi	I can relate to that	Dec 22 02:48
Sosumi	I hate my university apartment	Dec 22 02:48
Sosumi	but that's with what I'm stuck until I can get something better	Dec 22 02:48
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/414558606382473217	Dec 22 05:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@fcassia: @googlecloud a solution looking for a problem to solve.Also, a fad. cc/@schestowitz #fogcomputing	Dec 22 05:14
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DaemonFC	Gas is spiking.	Dec 22 10:45
DaemonFC	It's up to $4.18 a gallon in Fort Wayne. I hurried up and filled my tank this morning at $3.29.	Dec 22 10:45
DaemonFC	I wonder what they're going to blame it on this time.	Dec 22 10:46
DaemonFC	Fuckers.	Dec 22 10:46
DaemonFC	I'm really glad I tuned up the car. With gas prices like they are, that really pays for itself.	Dec 22 10:49
oiaohm	DaemonFC: what is that for	Dec 22 10:49
oiaohm	Ie fuel type.	Dec 22 10:49
DaemonFC	87 octane	Dec 22 10:49
oiaohm	Because its sounding cheep.	Dec 22 10:49
DaemonFC	Yeah, but the minimum wage in Australia is nearly $15 an hour.	Dec 22 10:50
DaemonFC	Remember that most Americans are just barely scrapping by at $8-9 an hour.	Dec 22 10:51
DaemonFC	So the difference between $3 a gallon and $4 a gallon really hurts.	Dec 22 10:51
DaemonFC	The year my car was built, gasoline was maybe $1 a gallon on a bad day.	Dec 22 10:52
oiaohm	Ok that is strange.	Dec 22 10:52
DaemonFC	So the tank cost $20 to fill from E to F.	Dec 22 10:52
oiaohm	There is no such thing as 87 octane in Australia.	Dec 22 10:52
oiaohm	There is 85 octane and 91 octane.	Dec 22 10:52
DaemonFC	Now, gas is $4.18 a gallon, and it costs over $80 to fill the tank!	Dec 22 10:52
oiaohm	91 is regular.	Dec 22 10:52
DaemonFC	I'm pretty sure my car could run on 85, if anyone actually sold that.	Dec 22 10:53
DaemonFC	The owners manual recommends 87.	Dec 22 10:53
oiaohm	85 is limited access	Dec 22 10:53
oiaohm	here.	Dec 22 10:53
DaemonFC	I've ran cars where the owners manual said 87 on 86 before.	Dec 22 10:53
oiaohm	91 is the common.	Dec 22 10:54
DaemonFC	It saved a couple bucks per tank.	Dec 22 10:54
DaemonFC	The car seemed to run fine on 86.	Dec 22 10:54
DaemonFC	But they stopped selling 86 here.	Dec 22 10:54
oiaohm	Even when we had leaded fuel 91 was common.	Dec 22 10:54
DaemonFC	You should use the lowest octane rating that won't cause the engine to knock or ping.	Dec 22 10:54
oiaohm	91 is 141.9 dollar a L	Dec 22 10:54
oiaohm	Opps	Dec 22 10:54
DaemonFC	87 is standard grade gasoline in the US.	Dec 22 10:54
oiaohm	1.419 a L	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	Almost every car sold since the 1980s will run fine on it.	Dec 22 10:55
oiaohm	I hate the write it in cents.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	There's no reason to go higher unless you have a sports car.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	Even then, that will usually take 87. You might lose a little power, but the car will run.	Dec 22 10:55
DaemonFC	Putting anything higher in most cars just simply wastes money.	Dec 22 10:56
DaemonFC	If you burn a tank per week and you use "premium", you're wasting about $200 a year.	Dec 22 10:56
oiaohm	DaemonFC: 1.419 a L is about 6.79 a gallon	Dec 22 10:56
oiaohm	DaemonFC: your fuel is cheap.	Dec 22 10:57
DaemonFC	Another way they get people is the 3 month/3,000 mile oil change myth.	Dec 22 10:57
DaemonFC	3,000 miles is the severe service schedule.	Dec 22 10:57
oiaohm	I run my car on 95 octane.	Dec 22 10:57
DaemonFC	The one recommended by my owner's manual is every 6 months or 5,000 miles.	Dec 22 10:57
DaemonFC	So, basically, they're conning people into paying for a couple of oil changes that they really don't need every year.	Dec 22 10:58
oiaohm	due to the bugger being computer controlled and injected it runs using the least dollars a mile/km on 95 and 98.	Dec 22 10:58
DaemonFC	It's only $50, but it's unnecessary service.	Dec 22 10:58
oiaohm	DaemonFC: Yes you can rip yourself off buying lower octane if you car is not effective with it.	Dec 22 10:58
DaemonFC	I have a 4.6 liter V8.	Dec 22 10:59
DaemonFC	It's actually pretty good on gas for an engine of that size.	Dec 22 10:59
DaemonFC	I get about 20-25 mpg.	Dec 22 10:59
oiaohm	DaemonFC: holden V8 here in Australia new ones in fact like 95 Oct or better.	Dec 22 10:59
DaemonFC	You've got to keep up the maintainence or you lose fuel efficiency.	Dec 22 10:59
DaemonFC	It ends up costing more in extra fuel than the service would cost.	Dec 22 11:00
oiaohm	DaemonFC: is yours computer controlled?	Dec 22 11:00
DaemonFC	I usually buy cars with about 100,000 miles on them, and I've never bought one where the former owner changed the spark plugs on time.	Dec 22 11:00
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 11:00
DaemonFC	They're almost always on the original plugs.	Dec 22 11:00
DaemonFC	By the time you've ran the original plugs 100,000 miles, you're losing 3-4 mpg.	Dec 22 11:01
oiaohm	By the sound of it you are still the old class caberitor.	Dec 22 11:01
DaemonFC	Nope. Mine is fuel injected.	Dec 22 11:01
oiaohm	Coil per pair of spark plugs?	Dec 22 11:01
oiaohm	or Coil per spark plug.	Dec 22 11:01
DaemonFC	It's Ford's Single Overhead Cam 4.6 V8. Pretty standard for a 1990s Ford. They were putting them in everything they could.	Dec 22 11:02
DaemonFC	Now you can't even get a Ford car with a V8.	Dec 22 11:02
DaemonFC	One coil for every pair.	Dec 22 11:02
DaemonFC	So, four coil packs.	Dec 22 11:02
oiaohm	Ok that should be auto adjusting.	Dec 22 11:02
DaemonFC	There's almost never a reason to replace coils. They either work or they don't.	Dec 22 11:03
oiaohm	So should not be reducing in effectivness.	Dec 22 11:03
DaemonFC	It's just one of those things.... :)	Dec 22 11:03
oiaohm	Between services.	Dec 22 11:03
oiaohm	Proper working auto adjusting get better the long ther computer does not reset.	Dec 22 11:03
DaemonFC	Oh, I would NEVER EVER buy a new car.	Dec 22 11:03
DaemonFC	This is the newest car I've ever owned, and it's a 1996.	Dec 22 11:04
oiaohm	Good computers appear 1992	Dec 22 11:04
oiaohm	for cars.	Dec 22 11:04
DaemonFC	The newer cars get slightly better gas mileage, but you're losing so much money to depreciation....	Dec 22 11:04
DaemonFC	Gas prices have never been this volatile though.	Dec 22 11:04
DaemonFC	Not that I can remember.	Dec 22 11:04
oiaohm	Old carberitor the calbibration never holds.	Dec 22 11:05
oiaohm	That is why you have to service them more than computer controlled.	Dec 22 11:05
DaemonFC	In the last six months, I've seen a gallon of 87 going for anywhere between $2.88 and $4.18.	Dec 22 11:05
DaemonFC	It's ridiculous.	Dec 22 11:05
oiaohm	4.18 is cheep.	Dec 22 11:05
DaemonFC	There's no good excuse for it except that they can pick your pocket and you can't get out of paying it.	Dec 22 11:05
DaemonFC	Like I said, to you it is.	Dec 22 11:05
DaemonFC	But, your average wage is higher.	Dec 22 11:05
DaemonFC	The minimum wage there is about $15 an hour.	Dec 22 11:05
oiaohm	Our fuel price is not set by our wage.	Dec 22 11:06
oiaohm	Its set by singapore	Dec 22 11:06
DaemonFC	I'd gladly pay $6.18 a gallon for gas if I was making another $6 an hour.	Dec 22 11:06
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 11:06
DaemonFC	It's relative.	Dec 22 11:06
oiaohm	Note our wage has nothing todo with fuel price.	Dec 22 11:06
DaemonFC	When the wages go down, people need discounts.	Dec 22 11:06
oiaohm	Our price is set by the international markets.	Dec 22 11:06
oiaohm	You are buying fuel less than the international price.	Dec 22 11:07
DaemonFC	Yeah, but I'm just saying that, relatively speaking, your gas is cheaper for most people than ours is.	Dec 22 11:07
DaemonFC	because they have more money to pay for it with.	Dec 22 11:07
oiaohm	Not really.	Dec 22 11:07
DaemonFC	It doesn't matter what it costs as soon as it's unaffordable.	Dec 22 11:08
oiaohm	You are forgeting we have more milage to cover than you in most cases.	Dec 22 11:08
oiaohm	And our food price is linked to fuel price.	Dec 22 11:08
DaemonFC	So is ours, but the big box stores have wrestled with that one.	Dec 22 11:08
DaemonFC	When the fuel prices went nuts, companies like Walmart and Kroger figured out ways to reduce packaging.	Dec 22 11:09
DaemonFC	That's good, because you might get an extra 28% freight onto the truck.	Dec 22 11:09
oiaohm	DaemonFC: I wish.	Dec 22 11:09
DaemonFC	It also reduces waste.	Dec 22 11:09
oiaohm	Last time we had a fuel spike it was buy locally produced or be screwed.	Dec 22 11:09
DaemonFC	Oh, excess packaging was ridiculous at one point.	Dec 22 11:09
DaemonFC	Like, you'd have laundry detergent that was like 80% water.	Dec 22 11:10
oiaohm	We have been fairly lucky on excess packange.	Dec 22 11:10
DaemonFC	So the bottle was like five times the size it needed to be. :)	Dec 22 11:10
oiaohm	We had envormental waste policies.	Dec 22 11:10
DaemonFC	They fixed that one with super concentrated detergent.	Dec 22 11:10
DaemonFC	So, part of the problem was inefficiency.	Dec 22 11:10
oiaohm	We have never had inefficiency in packaging that much.	Dec 22 11:11
DaemonFC	That's why the price of goods hasn't gone up more than it has. They started packing it more efficiently, and saved money on fuel, drivers, and insurance for all the extra trucks.	Dec 22 11:11
oiaohm	Mostly due to how little population per area Australia has.	Dec 22 11:11
DaemonFC	Oh, it used to be awful here.	Dec 22 11:11
oiaohm	Like double the packaging size here quad the shipping price.	Dec 22 11:11
DaemonFC	That's one area where Walmart has actually solved a problem.	Dec 22 11:12
oiaohm	Yes our shipping companies charge on volume and weight and pently charges for light.	Dec 22 11:12
oiaohm	So huge volume no mass pay like the hell.	Dec 22 11:12
DaemonFC	They control so much of what their suppliers do, that when they make a decision like this, it affects the entire industry.	Dec 22 11:12
DaemonFC	All of a sudden, the laundry detergent at ALDI was super-concentrated as well.	Dec 22 11:13
oiaohm	ALDI in Australia has own supply lines.	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	Well, that problem happened because each company was trying to convince you that you were getting more detergent than their suppliers were giving you.	Dec 22 11:13
DaemonFC	When they all switched to the ultra concentrated, I was working at Walmart, and I had all these customers that were complaining that they had to pay so much money for a little bottle of detergent.	Dec 22 11:14
oiaohm	DaemonFC: there is a problem in Australia.	Dec 22 11:14
DaemonFC	It does the same number of loads, they just removed all the water from it.	Dec 22 11:14
oiaohm	Most items in Australia are transported by truck.	Dec 22 11:14
oiaohm	Remember rail is highly fuel effective.	Dec 22 11:14
oiaohm	So it sux balls in transport costs here.	Dec 22 11:14
DaemonFC	Another thing that people don't tend to understand is that it's pretty much all the same thing.	Dec 22 11:14
oiaohm	Why most by truck the governement either has removed the rail lines or never built them.	Dec 22 11:15
DaemonFC	The 96 load bottle of XTRA for $6 works as well as the 96 load bottle of Tide for $20.	Dec 22 11:15
DaemonFC	People do some dumb things. :)	Dec 22 11:15
oiaohm	DaemonFC: you were not thinkign that lower fuel price equals lower food price.	Dec 22 11:15
oiaohm	DaemonFC: if everything is workign right.	Dec 22 11:15
oiaohm	DaemonFC: over all Australia and USA people are not getting any extra usable money.	Dec 22 11:16
DaemonFC	I try to keep my expenses down.	Dec 22 11:17
DaemonFC	It's about the only way I have to keep my buying power up.	Dec 22 11:17
DaemonFC	I order a lot of stuff from Amazon. I just wait until I have enough stuff that I need that it all qualifies for that 15% discount, and then I try to use coupons whenever I can on top of that.	Dec 22 11:18
DaemonFC	Once every 3-4 months, the UPS driver delivers an ungodly number of boxes and it all goes into the closet, and then I just draw supplies out of the pile for months on end.	Dec 22 11:19
DaemonFC	Some things are drastically cheaper on Amazon.	Dec 22 11:20
DaemonFC	Like those Swiffer pads!	Dec 22 11:21
DaemonFC	They're like half the price of Walmart.	Dec 22 11:21
DaemonFC	And my allergy medication. I can get an entire year's worth for the price of a month's supply at Walmart.	Dec 22 11:21
DaemonFC	I barely do any shopping at Walmart these days.	Dec 22 11:21
DaemonFC	It's pretty much just ALDI, Amazon, and the occasional trip to the dollar store.	Dec 22 11:22
DaemonFC	That really helps extinguish inflation.	Dec 22 11:22
DaemonFC	People that are being squeezed start looking for ways to get costs down.	Dec 22 11:22
DaemonFC	oiaohm: I finally bit the bullet and signed up for one of those gas station decoupled debit cards.	Dec 22 11:24
DaemonFC	You give the payment processor your checking account number, and then you get an 11 cent per gallon discount on gas by paying for it with that card.	Dec 22 11:24
DaemonFC	I've got so many cards in my wallet right now, it's unreal.	Dec 22 11:24
DaemonFC	One of them gives me a 1.5% discount on everything. One of them gives me 5% on gas an groceries. One gives me 11 cents a gallon off of gas...	Dec 22 11:25
DaemonFC	I have the 11 cents off one for when I'm out of town because the 5% one only works at Kroger gas stations. :P	Dec 22 11:26
DaemonFC	They've figured out how to fill my wallet with cards.	Dec 22 11:26
DaemonFC	It's like they're multiplying in front of my eyes.	Dec 22 11:26
DaemonFC	Have to re-sort my wallet everytime I pay for something.	Dec 22 11:26
oiaohm	DaemonFC: Ok 11 cents a Gallon kinda might explain some of our Fuel price difference.	Dec 22 11:27
oiaohm	We get 4-8 cents per L off when using cards.	Dec 22 11:27
oiaohm	So a few cents more off Gallon to more than double.	Dec 22 11:28
oiaohm	Un fortunally our regualar stepped in when we were getting 20 to 40 cents a L off.	Dec 22 11:29
DaemonFC	Yeah. They're all fighting to get data out of you.	Dec 22 11:31
DaemonFC	So they mark the price up and offer what looks like huge discounts.	Dec 22 11:31
DaemonFC	Then the people without the cards pay to fund the card program.	Dec 22 11:31
DaemonFC	The supermarkets did it years ago, and now the gas stations are doing it too.	Dec 22 11:32
DaemonFC	Some of them give you like 20-25 cents a gallon off.	Dec 22 11:32
DaemonFC	But when you look at the stations that are doing that, their price per gallon is about 20-25 cents higher than stations in areas that don't do it.	Dec 22 11:32
DaemonFC	So you're not saving anything, you're just getting charged more if you don't give them your data.	Dec 22 11:32
oiaohm	DaemonFC: not exactly what was going on.	Dec 22 11:33
oiaohm	DaemonFC: here the food chains own so many service stations.	Dec 22 11:33
oiaohm	DaemonFC: and I mean own. They own from refinery to service station.	Dec 22 11:33
DaemonFC	Yeah. Kroger has a program where 100 fuel points = 10 cents a gallon off, up to 2,000 points/$2 a gallon.	Dec 22 11:33
oiaohm	DaemonFC: and the service stations themselves.	Dec 22 11:33
DaemonFC	But 1 point is usually $1.	Dec 22 11:33
oiaohm	DaemonFC: it was basically destroy competition.	Dec 22 11:34
oiaohm	We have price wars here and they do get savage.	Dec 22 11:34
DaemonFC	and they cap it at 21 gallons for the discount.	Dec 22 11:34
DaemonFC	So multi-car households don't get the idea of not hanging up the pump, and just passing it along to everyone in the house with a car. :)	Dec 22 11:34
oiaohm	DaemonFC: our independants were been totally screwed by 40 Cents off.	Dec 22 11:34
DaemonFC	You had people doing that too.	Dec 22 11:35
oiaohm	DaemonFC: You should see petol station worry when you turn up in a ute with a 1000 L transport tank on back.	Dec 22 11:35
DaemonFC	Like, there's be 3-4 people in the house with cars, so they'd all just use the same shopper card, and then fill their cars up on the same day and get the $2 a gallon discount * 60-80 gallons.	Dec 22 11:35
oiaohm	DaemonFC: 1000L is the max fuel you can transport on a personal registered car here.	Dec 22 11:36
DaemonFC	Oh, I buy my fast food gift cards at Kroger. They do double points, so you only have to spend $50 to get 100 points.	Dec 22 11:36
oiaohm	DaemonFC: that was where our regularors were good.	Dec 22 11:37
oiaohm	They could only limit to 1 car filling.	Dec 22 11:37
DaemonFC	I just buy $200 worth of cards at the beginning of the month, and then I get 40 cents a gallon off the next time I need to fill up.	Dec 22 11:37
oiaohm	And must accept the case that the 1 car is huge tanked.	Dec 22 11:37
DaemonFC	If I need a complete tank, that's like $8.	Dec 22 11:37
oiaohm	Or worst it be a independants tanker.	Dec 22 11:37
DaemonFC	It helps. :)	Dec 22 11:37
oiaohm	Basically a indepants tanker can take 5000 at discount rate.	Dec 22 11:38
DaemonFC	Independent tanker?	Dec 22 11:38
DaemonFC	Like, cars filling up directly from the tanker truck?	Dec 22 11:38
oiaohm	DaemonFC: independent serivce stations	Dec 22 11:38
DaemonFC	Oh.	Dec 22 11:38
DaemonFC	We used to have those.	Dec 22 11:38
DaemonFC	There's one company that has bought every gas station in town except for like two of them.	Dec 22 11:39
oiaohm	DaemonFC: they are allowed to go nick from the bigger chains using the bigger chains discounts.	Dec 22 11:39
DaemonFC	and one of those is owned by Kroger :P	Dec 22 11:39
oiaohm	The idea is that bigger chains got get the idea of selling under the price independants can buy.	Dec 22 11:39
oiaohm	You know when the bigger chains have the independants drain them dry.	Dec 22 11:39
DaemonFC	I have my phone set to alert me if the price is spiking in the area.	Dec 22 11:40
DaemonFC	So if it goes up 20 cents in Fort Wayne, I've got like a day until it does it here.	Dec 22 11:40
oiaohm	DaemonFC: lets just say Australia has a savage system.	Dec 22 11:40
DaemonFC	So the phone beeps at me and says the price is spiking, so I know to hurry up and top off.	Dec 22 11:40
oiaohm	DaemonFC: fuel prices here are locked for 24 hours.	Dec 22 11:40
DaemonFC	I love it. I've only had that for like a month. It's probably saved me about $20.	Dec 22 11:41
oiaohm	Service station must set price at midnight then stick that price until next midnight.	Dec 22 11:41
DaemonFC	We don't have that here.	Dec 22 11:41
DaemonFC	Stations can reset their prices any time they want to do it.	Dec 22 11:41
oiaohm	That comes from one of our prior price wars on fuel.	Dec 22 11:41
DaemonFC	If they want to do it at midnight, they can do it at midnight.	Dec 22 11:41
DaemonFC	If they want to do it at 3:02 PM, they do it at 3:02 PM.	Dec 22 11:42
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 22 11:42
DaemonFC	You get no warning.	Dec 22 11:42
oiaohm	Note if they change it any other time here is 100 000 dollar fine.	Dec 22 11:42
oiaohm	In the big mess.	Dec 22 11:42
DaemonFC	They don't do price wars here.	Dec 22 11:42
DaemonFC	They collaborate to charge the same prices at the same times.	Dec 22 11:42
DaemonFC	They're a cartel.	Dec 22 11:42
oiaohm	The big mess price wars here there was 2000 changes in a 24 hours time frame.	Dec 22 11:42
oiaohm	Poor consumers could not cope.	Dec 22 11:43
oiaohm	Yes having the pump changing prices right up until you picked up handle was not exactly fun.	Dec 22 11:43
DaemonFC	I've thought about buying some 10-15 gallon tanks and putting them in the shed.	Dec 22 11:43
DaemonFC	Fill them up when gas prices come down.	Dec 22 11:43
DaemonFC	Then use them to gas up the car when the gas prices go up.	Dec 22 11:43
oiaohm	DaemonFC: if that is a closed in wall shed not designed for fuel storage I would not.	Dec 22 11:44
oiaohm	Leaking fuel fumes are a great way to blow a shed up.	Dec 22 11:44
DaemonFC	Yeah, the whole fire/explosion hazard thing kept me from doing it.	Dec 22 11:44
DaemonFC	But, it would be nice to have gas that I bought for $3 a gallon when it's $4 a gallon for a couple of weeks.	Dec 22 11:44
oiaohm	I have keept some fuel out in jerry cans out in garden here before.	Dec 22 11:45
DaemonFC	It might save me $20-30 each time they pull that shit.	Dec 22 11:45
oiaohm	Basically a very simple covering box.	Dec 22 11:45
DaemonFC	And the only reason it's shooting up right now is so they can fuck everyone that's driving places for Christmas.	Dec 22 11:45
oiaohm	I guess you don't have a yard.	Dec 22 11:45
DaemonFC	They can't do that, because it's illegal. So what they do is they say "We shut down a refinery for maintainence. Sorry."	Dec 22 11:46
DaemonFC	Oh, and just around Christmas time? Nice. :)	Dec 22 11:46
oiaohm	Our EPA prevents that.	Dec 22 11:46
oiaohm	If a refinery is shut down the refinery must have a full insepection by EPA from top to bottom and they find any execuse to keep it closed.	Dec 22 11:47
DaemonFC	"I'll shut you down for maintainence. I'm going to put my foot so far up your ass....."	Dec 22 11:47
DaemonFC	Yeah, I was daydreaming there for a minute. :)	Dec 22 11:47
oiaohm	Last time a gas company sut it down for maintainence at chrismane it took them 3 years to get it back open.	Dec 22 11:47
DaemonFC	Well, our gas prices spike around the major holidays.	Dec 22 11:47
oiaohm	DaemonFC: if USA EPA had more teeth they would not do it.	Dec 22 11:47
DaemonFC	And they have to switch blends every spring and fall, so the price shoots up for a couple of weeks when they do that.	Dec 22 11:48
DaemonFC	They tell you when the shutdown is going to happen, so I always make sure I have a full tank before the shutdown starts.	Dec 22 11:48
oiaohm	Con job.	Dec 22 11:48
DaemonFC	The EPA here does some truly awful shit that drives the price of gas sky high.	Dec 22 11:49
oiaohm	Australian refineries don't switch bends.	Dec 22 11:49
DaemonFC	Like, there's a 2007 federal energy law that says they have to pay a fine on however many gallons of ethanol they fail to produce under quota.	Dec 22 11:49
oiaohm	Winter fuel is just mix in an addtive.	Dec 22 11:49
DaemonFC	It's cheaper to pay the fine to the EPA than to produce the ethanol, so they pay the fine.	Dec 22 11:49
DaemonFC	Then they charge you another 30 cents a gallon.	Dec 22 11:49
oiaohm	No need to change refienry at all.	Dec 22 11:49
DaemonFC	Those fucks.	Dec 22 11:49
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 22 11:49
oiaohm	In cold areas the addtive here is shipped to the service station to mix in holding tanks.	Dec 22 11:50
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oiaohm	UEFI is good if you control the keys and it was implemented correctly.	Dec 22 11:51
DaemonFC	oiaohm: I mix ethanol in with my gas during the winter.	Dec 22 11:51
DaemonFC	They have two pumps. One is E85, and the other is gasoline.	Dec 22 11:52
DaemonFC	I usually mix it so that I have about 20% ethanol in the tank during the winter.	Dec 22 11:52
DaemonFC	It keeps the fuel line from freezing up.	Dec 22 11:52
DaemonFC	It can get pretty damned cold here in January/February.	Dec 22 11:52
DaemonFC	I switched my car over to 5w20 motor oil too.	Dec 22 11:53
DaemonFC	I asked Ford if that was OK to do in a 1996 Crown Victoria, and they said yes.	Dec 22 11:53
DaemonFC	They really made those Crown Victorias to last.	Dec 22 11:53
DaemonFC	The car is 18 years old and still runs like new.	Dec 22 11:54
DaemonFC	Maybe sometime in the 2020s, I'll go looking for a 2011 model, lol.	Dec 22 11:54
oiaohm	Fuel for Antarctica is where the aditive comes from. DaemonFC	Dec 22 11:54
DaemonFC	Ford claims that switching from 5w30 to 5w20 will bring your gas mileage up about 2%.	Dec 22 11:55
DaemonFC	So I did it.	Dec 22 11:55
oiaohm	DaemonFC: USA winter is warm compared to Antarctica	Dec 22 11:56
oiaohm	DaemonFC: the major addtive used for Antarctice to prevent fuel freese is methanol	Dec 22 11:59
oiaohm	DaemonFC: CIsro did a lot of expements getting the perfect fuel mixes for Antarctica	Dec 22 12:01
oiaohm	DaemonFC: and it turned out to be stupidly simple and cheep.	Dec 22 12:01
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3437465	Dec 22 12:32
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Kopimism is a new religion for atheists, agnostics, and believers in other religions who want a new perspective" http://falkvinge.net/2013/12/21/good-midwinter-solstice-with-a-kopimist-gospel/	Dec 22 12:32
TechrightsBot-tr	-> falkvinge.net \| Good Midwinter Solstice! With A Kopimist Gospel - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/g8dob ]	Dec 22 12:32
schestowitz__	"What use does an atheist have for a religion? If a sense of community is lacking in your life, get out and volunteer. If you need comfort when things are going awry, seek out your friends and family. If you need a sense of awe then watch a sunset, visit the ocean, go to the mountains, buy a telescope or whatever else makes you realize your unimportance on a cosmic scale. Anything that lets you claim that "hidden magic" is an	Dec 22 12:32
schestowitz__	acceptable belief, or that the universe is not indifferent is a sign that the believer is not an atheist--a non-believer by definition. An atheist with a religion is no longer an atheist."	Dec 22 12:32
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3432238	Dec 22 12:33
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Fedora 20 E17, GNOME 3, LXDE and Xfce screen shots http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2013/12/18/fedora-20-e17-gnome-3-lxde-and-xfce-screen-shots/ #fedora #gnu #linux	Dec 22 12:33
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.linuxbsdos.com \| Fedora 20 E17, GNOME 3, LXDE and Xfce screen shots \| LinuxBSDos.com [ http://ur1.ca/g8nct ]	Dec 22 12:33
schestowitz__	"Gnome looks really nice on Fedora. I wish they had customized Enlightenment a little better though, it is such a pretty desktop when you get to tweakin."	Dec 22 12:33
schestowitz__	"KDE + Fedora is a powerhouse."	Dec 22 12:33
schestowitz__	"I tried Enlightenment on fedora a year or 2 ago and it looked like windows 95. The Hybryde and Sabayon versions, for example, are much more polished"	Dec 22 12:33
schestowitz__	"Isn't Enlightenment suppose to look like Windows?"	Dec 22 12:33
schestowitz__	v	Dec 22 12:34
schestowitz__	I don't think so. I used Enlightenment a lot over a decade ago and I used Fedora KDE at the university for many years; neither is like Windows.	Dec 22 12:34
oiaohm	I use to skin Enlightenment to look like OS X	Dec 22 12:34
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436028	Dec 22 12:34
TechrightsBot-tr	@willhill@joindiaspora.com reshared: Laptops that respect one's freedom (and privacy) http://www.fsf.org/news/gluglug-x60-laptop-now-certified-to-respect-your-freedom	Dec 22 12:34
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.fsf.org \| Gluglug X60 Laptop now certified to Respect Your Freedom — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/g8cg9 ]	Dec 22 12:34
schestowitz__	"physical switch sounds like a cool idea ! Wouldnt linux have access controls via software ?"	Dec 22 12:34
schestowitz__	oiaohm: why though?	Dec 22 12:34
schestowitz__	I guess it's up to you	Dec 22 12:34
schestowitz__	but the golden theme that's there by default is nice	Dec 22 12:35
oiaohm	schestowitz__: I had done 4 years on OS X machines.	Dec 22 12:35
schestowitz__	"A physical switch is the only way to make sure a microphone is really off. If I can turn on and off my microphone by software, so can a successful attacker."	Dec 22 12:35
schestowitz__	The switch should be a physical cutoff to power	Dec 22 12:35
oiaohm	schestowitz__: so switching between Linux and OS X it was simpler if they were closer to each other.	Dec 22 12:35
oiaohm	schestowitz__: physical switches has issues they break.	Dec 22 12:36
oiaohm	schestowitz__: notice some new monitors have capactitance buttons.	Dec 22 12:38
oiaohm	schestowitz__: why they don't break.	Dec 22 12:38
oiaohm	schestowitz__: its something I have never unstood why there is not a capctiance button to allow particular direct access changes.	Dec 22 12:40
DaemonFC	http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/12/17/happy-holidays-salvation-army-attack/	Dec 22 13:11
TechrightsBot-tr	www.addictinginfo.org \| ‘Happy Holidays’ Salvation Army bell ringer attacked	Dec 22 13:11
DaemonFC	A Walmart shopper attacked a Salvation Army bellringer for saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas.	Dec 22 13:12
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iophk	http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/tar-sands-keystone-protesters-arrested-terrorism-glitter	Dec 22 14:13
TechrightsBot-tr	www.motherjones.com \| A Glitter-Covered Banner Got These Protesters Arrested for Staging a Bioterror Hoax \| Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/g8ocb ]	Dec 22 14:13
MinceR	buttons cost money. apparently most people value (temporary) savings more than security.	Dec 22 14:19
iophk	you can't buy a laptop without a microphone or camera let alone one with a switch. So the choice is between one with an always on mic/camera or no laptop.	Dec 22 14:20
iophk	I suspect that is intentional.	Dec 22 14:20
MinceR	lusers can justify having a microphone and a camera, but not an extra button/switch.	Dec 22 14:23
MinceR	geekings	Dec 22 14:24
DaemonFC	via Human Rights Campaign	Dec 22 14:28
DaemonFC	Walmart doesn't offer health insurance to your husband or wife if you're gay, but they're totally not singling out gay people for mistreatment. They don't cover your spouse if you're straight! They also usually don't cover their employee. So, see, everyone is "equal" at Walmart. The end!	Dec 22 14:28
DaemonFC	Please don't shop at Walmart this Christmas.	Dec 22 14:28
DaemonFC	I wrote that in the comment section.	Dec 22 14:28
DaemonFC	I received my first sext today.	Dec 22 14:30
DaemonFC	lol	Dec 22 14:30
DaemonFC	Well, people have sent them, but I had no data plan on my old phone, so I had to request an email instead. :P	Dec 22 14:32
DaemonFC	Fedora pushed out an updated kernel for Fedora 20 this morning.	Dec 22 14:54
DaemonFC	It takes you from 3.11.10 to 3.12.5	Dec 22 14:54
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer shared a link via The Atlantic.	Dec 22 15:55
DaemonFC	6 minutes ago · Edited	Dec 22 15:55
DaemonFC	http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-day-google-had-to-start-over-on-android/282479/	Dec 22 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr	www.theatlantic.com \| The Day Google Had to 'Start Over' on Android - Fred Vogelstein - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/g8b28 ]	Dec 22 15:55
DaemonFC	Mostly mindless Steve Jobs worship. The criminal that led a company (Apple) that pays no taxes, and writes exploitative proprietary software that doesn't respect user freedom.	Dec 22 15:55
DaemonFC	Also, it ignores the fact that Apple never "sold" music for 99 cents per track.	Dec 22 15:55
DaemonFC	It was originally crippled with Digital Restrictions Malware (like their apps, books, movies, and magazines still are), and then when the music industry realized that DRM promotes piracy, Apple fought tooth and nail to keep it while other stores led the way in abandoning it. Why? Because Apple's DRM makes it impossible to choose a different device in the future and move your collection of DRM-encumbered stuff to the new device.	Dec 22 15:55
DaemonFC	When iTunes went DRM-free (music only), it made people buy their music collection AGAIN to get it without DRM, and they raised the price of all tracks to $1.29.	Dec 22 15:55
DaemonFC	Apple's crystal prison should be avoided. Their App Store is a scourge. Its policies censor and ban apps like Bittorrent, Firefox, and Bitcoin. Basically, you can't sideload apps, like you can on Android, so you're totally at Apple's mercy as to whether or not the application can be installed on "your" device.	Dec 22 15:56
DaemonFC	I use the quotation fingers because when you have an Apple device, it never really belongs to you.	Dec 22 15:56
DaemonFC	Bonus: Apple and Microsoft pushed MPEG-4 patent-encumbered audio and video formats onto the web as a "standard", and in so doing, made every device (not just Microsoft and Apple devices) more expensive for everyone.	Dec 22 15:56
DaemonFC	Fuck Apple.	Dec 22 15:56
MinceR	but use a condom.	Dec 22 15:58
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DaemonFC	shared a link.	Dec 22 16:13
DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	Dec 22 16:13
DaemonFC	"A lot was wrong with the first iPhone too. Rubin and the Android team—along with many others—did not think users would take to typing on a screen without the tactile feedback of a physical keyboard. "	Dec 22 16:13
DaemonFC	I never did. I hate virtual keyboards. One of the best things about Android is that you never have to tap on anything one letter at a time. There's voice dictation that actually works, and then there's also Swype.	Dec 22 16:13
DaemonFC	http://www.swype.com/about/swype-faq-3/	Dec 22 16:13
TechrightsBot-tr	www.swype.com \| Swype \| Swype FAQ	Dec 22 16:13
DaemonFC	"Why isn’t Swype available for iPhone/iPad/BlackBerry/Windows Phone?	Dec 22 16:13
DaemonFC	Due to the technical design of some operating systems, it is not possible for third party keyboards (such as Swype) to be offered at this point in time. Please communicate to your device/OS manufacturer that you’d like to see Swype available as a keyboard option!"	Dec 22 16:13
DaemonFC	BAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!	Dec 22 16:14
DaemonFC	Because your phone is a gigantic steaming pile of shit, you will never experience the awesomeness of Swype.	Dec 22 16:14
DaemonFC	http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/09/apple-patent-reveals-swype-like-keyboard-for-ios-devices/	Dec 22 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	www.ubergizmo.com \| Apple Patent Reveals Swype-like Keyboard For iOS Devices \| Ubergizmo [ http://ur1.ca/g8p7g ]	Dec 22 16:14
DaemonFC	Until Apple gets a patent on something it did not invent (again) and sues the company that invented it in East Texas.	Dec 22 16:14
DaemonFC	And then you'll have a broken half-assed version of it from Apple.	Dec 22 16:16
DaemonFC	Which will, of course, be the Greatest Thing Ever(TM).	Dec 22 16:17
MinceR	i still find it somewhat difficult to type on a virtual keyboard	Dec 22 16:18
MinceR	but a big screen with Hacker's Keyboard and its debug mode helps	Dec 22 16:18
schestowitz__	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZua6r8uqLg	Dec 22 16:25
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Oprah Winfrey; An entire generation of white people have to DIE! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8p91 ]	Dec 22 16:25
schestowitz__	taken out of context	Dec 22 16:25
schestowitz__	the title	Dec 22 16:25
schestowitz__	and badly reviewed, she refers to people who lynched	Dec 22 16:26
DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	Dec 22 16:44
DaemonFC	That article really could have been more fair. The editor could admit that the iPhone was crude, and a step forward from what there was before (100 different incompatible phones that all ran crappy vendor-produced software), but that Google upped their game and created a proper OS for mobile phones.	Dec 22 16:44
DaemonFC	To be fair, I can see why the original Android project (the one that was never released) wasn't very good. They only figured that they had to compete with Microsoft, and well, Internet Explorer. Enough said.	Dec 22 16:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436248	Dec 22 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Calibre 1.16 Greatly Improves the EPUB and AZW3 Book Editing Function http://news.softpedia.com/news/Calibre-1-16-Greatly-Improves-the-EPUB-and-AZW3-Book-Editing-Function-411005.shtml #calibre #epub	Dec 22 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr	-> news.softpedia.com \| Calibre 1.16 Greatly Improves the EPUB and AZW3 Book Editing Function [ http://ur1.ca/g8pfa ]	Dec 22 16:50
schestowitz__	"If someone can tell me how to whack Calibre upside the head so that it doesn't use its built-in, utterly brain-dead PDF viewer, I'd be very appreciative."	Dec 22 16:50
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3437473	Dec 22 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Torrent is efficient transmission of data over existing #internet infrastructure and its painting as "copyright violation" been manufactured	Dec 22 16:50
schestowitz__	"Questioning authority is terrorism!"	Dec 22 16:50
schestowitz__	Questioning the law is breaking the law :-)	Dec 22 16:50
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436216	Dec 22 16:51
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Red Hat engineers, who are based in the US, are pressured by #nsa to put NSA code inside #linux (which makes Red Hat's role less trusted)	Dec 22 16:51
schestowitz__	"and by extension fedora's"	Dec 22 16:51
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3436253	Dec 22 16:52
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The worst British bank, #NatWest (run by kids now, used to be run by adults), has criminal past, not just bankruptcy http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/02/22/us-enron-natwest-sentencing-idUSN2248595820080222	Dec 22 16:52
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.reuters.com \| Ex-NatWest bankers sentenced to 3 years in jail \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/g8fj6 ]	Dec 22 16:52
schestowitz__	If Natwest gave me a check for £1,000,000- now I would still feel short changed. Full of dirty tricks."	Dec 22 16:52
schestowitz__	:	Dec 22 16:52
DaemonFC	And it's not like waiting a few years and getting it right hurt Google. In 2013, Android phones are massively outselling iPhones. Apple shipped only 12 out of 100 smartphones this year, with almost all of the rest being Android.	Dec 22 16:54
DaemonFC	Apple still maintains a sizable marketshare, but most of those customers are using older devices. It's clear that within two years, Apple's sales might be in the single digits, and in five years, the iPhone might not even exist at all. Right now, Apple is trying to stem the bleeding with a cut-rate model (the 5s) and giving those away for free with a contract. That's gotta hurt their pride a little. Apple customers were sickened by the fact	Dec 22 16:54
DaemonFC	that Apple products ended up being sold at Walmart. They should be doubly disgusted by the fact that there's now a cheap-o version of the iPhone that is specifically targeting Walmart customers.	Dec 22 16:54
DaemonFC	Apple isn't invincible. Back in the 1990s, things at Apple got so bad that the company almost went out of business, and had to go beg Microsoft for cash (which it got, in exchange for making Internet Explorer the default web browser for the Mac, which damned near got Steve Jobs booed off stage, at an Apple developer conference). People don't remember what Apple was doing in the 1990s, which is great for Apple, because it was very unflatterin	Dec 22 16:54
DaemonFC	g. Picture an operating system that crashed more than Windows 98 and still had Internet Explorer greeting new users by default. Yuck.	Dec 22 16:54
MinceR	DaemonFC: the hypePhone was not a step forward, it was a step backward	Dec 22 16:55
MinceR	it made people think that smartphones didn't need to be general purpose computers	Dec 22 16:56
MinceR	even winblows mobile was a better OS than hypeOS.	Dec 22 16:56
DaemonFC	I don't think that the user interface of Windows Phone 8 is that bad.	Dec 22 16:56
DaemonFC	It's just that it's not selling well, doesn't have very much third party support, only lets you install Microsoft-approved apps, and probably won't be around for more than five years.	Dec 22 16:57
DaemonFC	So, I think it has a lot of the same drawbacks as the iPhone.	Dec 22 16:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3439884	Dec 22 17:00
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Last year #obama took advantage of people being away for xmas and new year's celebrations, launching a lot of bloody #drone attacks	Dec 22 17:00
schestowitz__	"He tends to sign in controversial things too this time of year - while people do not have their eye on the ball ......"	Dec 22 17:00
schestowitz__	https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=obama+signing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&gws_rd=cr&	Dec 22 17:00
TechrightsBot-tr	www.google.co.uk \| obama signing - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/g8pib ]	Dec 22 17:00
schestowitz__	He signs NDAAs	Dec 22 17:00
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Dec 22 17:03
DaemonFC	2 minutes ago	Dec 22 17:03
DaemonFC	Republicans won't compromise. Nothing will get done.	Dec 22 17:03
DaemonFC	(Doesn't that seem to be happening a lot?)	Dec 22 17:03
DaemonFC	Modern Republicans see compromise as a weakness, and a sign to attack.	Dec 22 17:03
DaemonFC	http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/22/coburn-schumer-acknowledge-obamacare-problems-spli/	Dec 22 17:03
TechrightsBot-tr	www.washingtontimes.com \| Coburn, Schumer acknowledge Obamacare problems, but split on solutions - Washington Times [ http://ur1.ca/g8pjc ]	Dec 22 17:03
DaemonFC	Also, people should not necessarily get catastrophic coverage.	Dec 22 17:03
DaemonFC	Depending on the size of your subsidy, the catastrophic plan can cost more and leave you on the hook for twelve times the out of pocket expense of the Silver plans.	Dec 22 17:03
DaemonFC	Of course, I'd expect a Republican to suggest doing the dumbest thing possible, and then bitching when your catastrophic care plan doesn't cover anything. It's another attempt to sabotage the law by leading low income people to choose a bad option.	Dec 22 17:03
DaemonFC	schestowitz, The Christmas tradition.	Dec 22 17:18
DaemonFC	It's not new.	Dec 22 17:18
DaemonFC	The Federal Reserve was established that way	Dec 22 17:18
DaemonFC	With only a handful of Senators actually present and voting.	Dec 22 17:18
DaemonFC	Before anyone knew what it was, it was law.	Dec 22 17:19
DaemonFC	You have to get those things in while everyone is off paying no attention. If people had time to review something like that, it could never pass.	Dec 22 17:19
MinceR	it could, but it would cost the lobbyists more.	Dec 22 17:20
DaemonFC	I can't prove our elections are rigged, but it seems pretty convenient that there were EXACTLY enough Democrats in the House and Senate to pass Obamacare.	Dec 22 17:21
DaemonFC	EXACTLY enough.	Dec 22 17:21
MinceR	d-h.st makes it easy to view all sorts of advertisements with optional malware, but to actually download something useful, you may need to switch browsers	Dec 22 17:22
MinceR	i don't understand why people have to use shitty, sleazy file hosts like that.	Dec 22 17:22
schestowitz__	[17:20] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, The Christmas tradition.	Dec 22 17:25
schestowitz__	Yule is the tradition	Dec 22 17:25
schestowitz__	like Jabba	Dec 22 17:25
DaemonFC	Well, Obamacare is there now, and it's not going away.	Dec 22 17:26
DaemonFC	Not looking at it won't make it go away.	Dec 22 17:26
DaemonFC	I think people need to figure out how to make the best of it.	Dec 22 17:26
schestowitz__	Why is it called Obamacare?	Dec 22 17:26
schestowitz__	I hate this word, and it sounds like a mocking nym for national insurance	Dec 22 17:26
DaemonFC	Well, the Republicans started calling it that.	Dec 22 17:26
schestowitz__	yeah	Dec 22 17:27
MinceR	it was meant to be mocking	Dec 22 17:27
schestowitz__	but why stick with it?	Dec 22 17:27
schestowitz__	OneCare?	Dec 22 17:27
DaemonFC	Then Obama said he doesn't mind if people call it Obamacare "because I do care".	Dec 22 17:27
DaemonFC	So, since they both agree, I just call it that.	Dec 22 17:27
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 17:27
MinceR	they could call it IDon'tCare	Dec 22 17:27
schestowitz__	it's more of the Obama brand	Dec 22 17:27
MinceR	or iDon'tCare	Dec 22 17:27
schestowitz__	I don't like it, if it was Bushcare what would you do?	Dec 22 17:27
MinceR	:)	Dec 22 17:27
schestowitz__	NixOnCare	Dec 22 17:27
MinceR	bush doesn't care either	Dec 22 17:28
schestowitz__	Obama doesn't care much more than Bush	Dec 22 17:28
DaemonFC	It's a better system than we had before, but it was one of those "Something has to be done, so let's reform it in such a way that gets the monkeys off of our backs and gives our favorite criminals a bunch of money.".	Dec 22 17:28
schestowitz__	he's a label, like Jordan, Woods, Oprah	Dec 22 17:28
schestowitz__	we need good policies, not labels	Dec 22 17:28
DaemonFC	health insurance companies don't provide any care, and the government is on the hook for most of the actual spending	Dec 22 17:28
schestowitz__	"Democrat" is a very deceiving laberl	Dec 22 17:28
MinceR	so's "Republican"	Dec 22 17:29
DaemonFC	the insurance companies get to loot the public, do a little paperwork, and get the government to pay for it	Dec 22 17:29
MinceR	things aren't treated as public affairs	Dec 22 17:29
DaemonFC	Their "administrative overhead" (mostly bonuses for their CEOs and profit for their shareholders) is about 20%.	Dec 22 17:30
DaemonFC	Medicare's is about 1%.	Dec 22 17:30
DaemonFC	But, can't give Medicare to everyone, not fucking crooked enough, still trying to figure out how to shut that down....	Dec 22 17:30
DaemonFC	It's sort of funny, in a way.	Dec 22 17:31
DaemonFC	Obamacare does to the <65 crowd what the Republicans said they wanted to do to Medicare.	Dec 22 17:31
schestowitz__	We shouldn't call it Obamaxare	Dec 22 17:31
schestowitz__	Congress votes on it	Dec 22 17:31
schestowitz__	it has nothing almost to do with Obama	Dec 22 17:32
schestowitz__	and more to do with what people need	Dec 22 17:32
DaemonFC	He proposed it and signed it.	Dec 22 17:32
schestowitz__	It's like calling onself "pirate"	Dec 22 17:32
schestowitz__	accepting newspeak	Dec 22 17:32
DaemonFC	It's not exactly what he proposed, but that's what happens in Congress.	Dec 22 17:32
schestowitz__	or calling oneself "non-believer"	Dec 22 17:32
MinceR	pirates are cool	Dec 22 17:32
MinceR	so cool they had to come up with a new symbol for poison :>	Dec 22 17:32
DaemonFC	Congress is theoretically more powerful than the President. They've transferred so much of their authority to the president, that the president has become something of a dictator in certain ways.	Dec 22 17:35
DaemonFC	He has some pretty broad authority to "interpret" existing laws.	Dec 22 17:36
DaemonFC	That's sometimes a good thing. He's instructed the federal government to interpret the definition of "family" to include gay couples. Those laws were written sometimes 30-40 years ago, and you know the Republicans are never going to revise them to do that.	Dec 22 17:36
DaemonFC	But, the knife cuts both ways. The next Republican president will rescind that.	Dec 22 17:37
MinceR	i was just about to say	Dec 22 17:37
MinceR	gay couples will oscillate between "family" and "not familiy" every 4/8/whatever years	Dec 22 17:37
DaemonFC	Exactly.	Dec 22 17:38
DaemonFC	Hopefully, some of us that are voting Republican will be smart enough to understand that.	Dec 22 17:39
DaemonFC	They seem to be doing it mostly due to financial reasons (they're rich).	Dec 22 17:39
DaemonFC	It's about 20-25% of the LGBT voters that do that, for very selfish reasons mostly related to their big fucking pile of money.	Dec 22 17:39
DaemonFC	But, some of them have something to lose now, like tax filing status or Social Security benefits.	Dec 22 17:40
DaemonFC	So, I'm hoping that in the next election, that's something closer to maybe 10-15%.	Dec 22 17:40
DaemonFC	There's always going to be some. :P	Dec 22 17:40
DaemonFC	Most exit polls put us at 5-7% of the total turnout.	Dec 22 17:41
DaemonFC	That can push an election one way or the other.	Dec 22 17:41
DaemonFC	Just don't tell my dad that. He still wants to believe that "Those damned queers are like 1-2% of the population. You animals."	Dec 22 17:42
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 17:42
MinceR	:)	Dec 22 17:42
MinceR	should somebody tell him that technically all humans are animals?	Dec 22 17:42
DaemonFC	I don't know why homophobes are afraid of gay people. I've looked at most of the fanatic ones, and they have absolutely nothing to fear from me.	Dec 22 17:43
DaemonFC	Phil Robertson looks like Osama Bin Laden.	Dec 22 17:43
MinceR	:D	Dec 22 17:44
DaemonFC	Hardly something from my wildest fantasies.	Dec 22 17:44
DaemonFC	The Republicans have themselves backed into a corner. It's hard to find anyone other than straight, white, Christian, males that they haven't pissed off.	Dec 22 17:48
DaemonFC	Some people from other groups inexplicably vote for them....	Dec 22 17:48
DaemonFC	Their "base" manages to take time off from burning crosses in peoples yards to vote though....	Dec 22 17:49
DaemonFC	They've even managed to chase my dad off...	Dec 22 17:51
DaemonFC	That's an accomplishment.	Dec 22 17:51
DaemonFC	He's figured out that he's getting old and sick and the Republicans can only barely mask their contempt for old sick people that don't have tons of money.	Dec 22 17:52
DaemonFC	https://www.card.com/pride	Dec 22 17:54
TechrightsBot-tr	www.card.com \| Pride Prepaid Visa Debit Cards \| CARD.com	Dec 22 17:54
DaemonFC	That was advertised on Facebook.	Dec 22 17:54
DaemonFC	I wonder if Capital One would let me upload a rainbow to their Design A Card thing.	Dec 22 17:54
*DaemonFC goes to find out.		Dec 22 17:54
DaemonFC	That page isn't loading.	Dec 22 17:56
DaemonFC	I've avoided using Chrome on m Android phone.	Dec 22 17:57
DaemonFC	I've insisted on Firefox, mostly because it runs Adblock Edge.	Dec 22 17:57
DaemonFC	Chrome for Android has no extension support at all, and knowing Google, they'll eventually drive ad blocking plugins from the Chrome store entirely.	Dec 22 17:58
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DaemonFC	hmmm	Dec 22 18:10
DaemonFC	trying the OK Google extension for Chrome	Dec 22 18:11
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DaemonFC	I tried uploading that image to the card design thing.	Dec 22 18:17
DaemonFC	I wonder if they'll actually send that to me.	Dec 22 18:18
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DaemonFC	shared Americans Against The Republican Party's photo.	Dec 22 18:47
DaemonFC	5 minutes ago	Dec 22 18:47
DaemonFC	https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/p480x480/1495484_693342297354305_1093500394_n.jpg	Dec 22 18:47
DaemonFC	That's me. Inventing ways to do evil. I think I'll drink some more Evil Coffee, then I'll check my Evil Mail, and then I'll sign up for Evil Medical School, so I can become Doctor Evil.	Dec 22 18:48
DaemonFC	And then I'll ransom the world for.....one million EVIL dollars.	Dec 22 18:48
DaemonFC	Can't the far-right find anyone that's not an idiot to carry their message? Anyone that has shaved and had a hair cut since the Nixon Administration?	Dec 22 18:48
DaemonFC	shared Less Than 10 Dollars An Hour's photo.	Dec 22 18:48
DaemonFC	3 minutes ago	Dec 22 18:48
DaemonFC	https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/1528759_380235355454959_2034713572_n.jpg	Dec 22 18:48
DaemonFC	If it had simply kept up with inflation, it would be $10.72 an hour.	Dec 22 18:49
DaemonFC	If it had simply kept up with the bare minimum that a single person needs, in order to make ends meet without welfare, it would be $10.20 an hour, in the cheapest country to live in, in the entire country.	Dec 22 18:49
DaemonFC	Or you can just do what McDonalds says. Sign up for welfare, cut food into little bites, and go to church. Because that fixes everything. And if it doesn't, "Sell your Christmas presents on ebay for extra cash!".	Dec 22 18:49
Sosumi	if you have osx's app store auto checking for updates expect connection to be be spoofed and have the pirate gain access to your home folder	Dec 22 19:00
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Sosumi	apparently there's a vulnerability in the store sandboxing and it's not new	Dec 22 19:12
Sosumi	consider it the new iTunes voluntary vulnerability which granted some alphabet agency a backdoor	Dec 22 19:13
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DaemonFC	I don't get how having a TV show is suddenly a constitutional right.	Dec 22 19:34
DaemonFC	If you work at Walmart and walk up to a person and say what Phil Robertson did, you will be fired. Immediately. Why don't right-wingers go boycott Walmart?	Dec 22 19:34
DaemonFC	I've heard that many of them are going to Walmart to buy their Duck Dynasty crap...	Dec 22 19:34
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DaemonFC	The banksters figure that a minimum wage hike would have a stimulus effect for a couple of years, and then that effect would be canceled out when people promised their future wages to a bank to get ahold of a credit card, or to secure an auto loan.	Dec 22 19:40
DaemonFC	Then they would be making interest payments to a bank that are sucked out of the productive economy, and help nobody (except the bank).	Dec 22 19:40
DaemonFC	Well, if the banksters figure they'll just take it all, then I'm surprised that the increase is not already law. Those folks usually get whatever they want.	Dec 22 19:40
DaemonFC	Of course, people who are smarter than the average bear don't go promising money that they haven't earned to a bank, with interest.	Dec 22 19:40
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414845239850188800	Dec 22 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Parenti http://t.co/QurYrb6HQZ	Dec 22 19:52
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414846075619397632	Dec 22 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Protest Declares Anti-GMO 'Tsunami' https://t.co/dd2BJkIR5r #hawaii "terrorism" -- will #nsa spy on "targets" (activists) for #monsanto	Dec 22 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.commondreams.org \| Hawaii Protest Declares Anti-GMO 'Tsunami' is Here \| Common Dreams	Dec 22 19:53
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DaemonFC	For people who made the mistake of buying an Apple iThing and now realizing that they want freedom to sideload applications and alternative app stores, you can go through a jailbreak, possibly brick your device, and void the warranty....	Dec 22 19:54
DaemonFC	http://evasi0n.com/	Dec 22 19:54
DaemonFC	Or you can sell off the iThing that you mistakenly purchased, and buy an Android device.	Dec 22 19:54
TechrightsBot-tr	evasi0n.com \| evasi0n iOS 7.x Jailbreak - official website of the evad3rs	Dec 22 19:54
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3439849	Dec 22 19:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Phone companies might have to store snoop data instead of NSA, Obama says	Dec 22 19:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.scmp.com \| Phone companies might have to store snoop data instead of NSA, Obama says \| South China Morning Post [ http://ur1.ca/g8pi2 ]	Dec 22 19:57
schestowitz__	"I drove through Utah once, it had an eerie feeling - a vast and grand feeling of the yetzer hara. Seems the intuition was correct..."	Dec 22 19:57
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DaemonFC	he fact that Duck Dynasty has the highest non-fiction cable TV rating while Dr. Michio Kaku and Professor Brian Cox are two or three channels down is scary, and sad. It really says a lot about Americans....	Dec 22 20:27
DaemonFC	Or, you know, God forbid anyone should cut the cable and read a book.	Dec 22 20:29
DaemonFC	It reminds me of when Bill Hicks was talking about his experience in an Alabama diner. He said that the waitress came up and asked him what he was doing, and when he said "reading", she said.. "Heh. What for?".	Dec 22 20:29
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schestowitz__	hi _Goblin	Dec 22 20:46
_Goblin	Hi there!	Dec 22 20:46
_Goblin	Seasons greetings and all that!	Dec 22 20:46
schestowitz__	How's it going?	Dec 22 20:46
_Goblin	yeah good....very very busy	Dec 22 20:46
schestowitz__	New career next year?	Dec 22 20:46
_Goblin	I've technically got that now...	Dec 22 20:46
_Goblin	thats why I'm so busy	Dec 22 20:47
_Goblin	I've three heads on at the moment!	Dec 22 20:47
schestowitz__	Still living 'round the same area, so that we can come and visit?	Dec 22 20:47
_Goblin	Yep...but not long...April is the date set for leaving.....	Dec 22 20:47
_Goblin	I'll PM you with the new location.	Dec 22 20:48
schestowitz__	That's why renting can sometimes be practical... common thing in central Europe	Dec 22 20:48
_Goblin	Ah we've got an offer in on a house....elsewhere	Dec 22 20:48
schestowitz__	near wife's family	Dec 22 20:49
schestowitz__	so probably east end	Dec 22 20:49
_Goblin	lol....	Dec 22 20:49
_Goblin	yes but no	Dec 22 20:49
MinceR	happy solstice!	Dec 22 20:49
_Goblin	near my wifes family	Dec 22 20:49
_Goblin	but not parents	Dec 22 20:49
schestowitz__	ah, ok	Dec 22 20:49
schestowitz__	near to Euston?	Dec 22 20:49
_Goblin	:).... PM sent....prepare for shock....	Dec 22 20:50
_Goblin	and before you ask about citizenship....	Dec 22 20:50
_Goblin	thats not a problem.	Dec 22 20:50
schestowitz__	BTW, you're invited to come here with the family this week/next week, we can arrange dinner	Dec 22 20:50
_Goblin	Cool!	Dec 22 20:50
schestowitz__	OK, so I need to come around some time before April... or you can come to us...	Dec 22 20:55
_Goblin	Yeah.... April is tentative, depending on contract....	Dec 22 20:56
schestowitz__	Before you become the next Piers morgan/Rick gervais... and rarely come back to visir	Dec 22 20:56
_Goblin	I was thinking more JK Rowlings.	Dec 22 20:56
schestowitz__	meh	Dec 22 20:57
*schestowitz__ hates Harry potter		Dec 22 20:57
schestowitz__	(the films at least)	Dec 22 20:57
_Goblin	I think the books were far better.	Dec 22 20:58
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schestowitz__	maybe I'm not to judge	Dec 22 20:59
schestowitz__	the American Psycho book was quite different from the movie	Dec 22 20:59
schestowitz__	and that's the one example I tried both	Dec 22 20:59
schestowitz__	1984 I only know the film of...	Dec 22 20:59
_Goblin	I'm not sure why 1984 was held up as so insightful.....there's plenty of older works which offered a true to life glimse of the future.	Dec 22 21:02
MinceR	which ones?	Dec 22 21:02
_Goblin	Flatland - A romance of many dimensions..	Dec 22 21:02
_Goblin	that was 1890 I believe.	Dec 22 21:02
schestowitz__	what did ti predict?	Dec 22 21:03
_Goblin	dimensional theory....bigotry, heresy etc	Dec 22 21:03
_Goblin	dividing of society	Dec 22 21:03
schestowitz__	was that a new trend?	Dec 22 21:03
schestowitz__	some things are eternally and universally true	Dec 22 21:04
_Goblin	the big brother society was a given since throughout time we have had "watchers"....as tech improved (as in weapons) methods to control and observe improved.	Dec 22 21:04
_Goblin	You had the "big brother" culture in the times of Jesus (even if you don't want to believe at a religious level)	Dec 22 21:04
schestowitz__	yes, but some methods were explained well	Dec 22 21:04
schestowitz__	futurists/writers like Huxley are not yet proven right	Dec 22 21:05
_Goblin	but then as I say, if time proves we always have watchers, spies and monitoring, when tech improves we would facilitate it to better do the above.	Dec 22 21:05
schestowitz__	Look at that overrated Kurzweil	Dec 22 21:05
schestowitz__	_Goblin: which is worse, GCHQ or NSA, which funds it?	Dec 22 21:06
_Goblin	good question....here's the clever part.....	Dec 22 21:06
schestowitz__	UK has had a reputation of bigger big brother than the US	Dec 22 21:06
schestowitz__	Since imperialist days when people were targeted and tortured/killed if they challenged the colonists	Dec 22 21:06
_Goblin	UK cant obtain info on its citizens without breaking laws...but it can allow NSA to obtain info and then send it back to them....info by proxy is perfectly legal.	Dec 22 21:07
_Goblin	I expect we do the same for the NSA.	Dec 22 21:07
schestowitz__	Britiain buried related documents in the water near Singapore, which Japan had done similar things	Dec 22 21:07
_Goblin	And I'd say GCHQ and NSA are in it up to their necks together.	Dec 22 21:07
_Goblin	and thats the difficulty.....	Dec 22 21:07
schestowitz__	GCHQ got funded by the NSA	Dec 22 21:08
_Goblin	And you'd be surprised by who else.....	Dec 22 21:08
schestowitz__	a conspiracy of legal loopholes	Dec 22 21:08
schestowitz__	NZ and AU also	Dec 22 21:08
_Goblin	They always exist.... same "firm" many names.	Dec 22 21:08
schestowitz__	Not sure about south Africa and with Canada the extent is not yet too clear	Dec 22 21:08
schestowitz__	Canada is loyal also to France	Dec 22 21:08
schestowitz__	And France is in the Franco -- not Anglo-Saxon - imperial camp	Dec 22 21:09
_Goblin	Oh.....and I was wrong.... Flatland wasn't 1890, it was 1884.	Dec 22 21:10
schestowitz__	1984 became a brand of its own	Dec 22 21:10
schestowitz__	Like others	Dec 22 21:10
schestowitz__	Or Rockey Horror Show	Dec 22 21:10
schestowitz__	Rocky	Dec 22 21:11
_Goblin	never seen that film...	Dec 22 21:11
schestowitz__	me neither, only fragments	Dec 22 21:11
schestowitz__	they had a few decent music tracks	Dec 22 21:11
schestowitz__	!google there's a light rocky horror	Dec 22 21:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Rocky Horror Picture show, There's a light. - YouTube \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D3tlvKJq-rf8	Dec 22 21:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Rocky Horror Picture Show - Over At The Frankenstein Place ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DvK2u4y7J58I	Dec 22 21:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Rocky Horror Picture Show - Over At The Frankinstein Place Lyrics ... \| http://www.metrolyrics.com/over-at-the-frankinstein-place-lyrics-rocky-horror-picture-show.html	Dec 22 21:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW - Over At The Frankenstein ... \| http://vimeo.com/4833432	Dec 22 21:12
_Goblin	..... I'll check it out....	Dec 22 21:13
schestowitz__	see [4]	Dec 22 21:13
_Goblin	best music score for film...if you know what I mean.....	Dec 22 21:13
_Goblin	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP1Gu5klAlo	Dec 22 21:13
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| The Goonies Intro - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8r9x ]	Dec 22 21:13
_Goblin	;)	Dec 22 21:13
schestowitz__	and none of that cross-dressing stuff	Dec 22 21:13
iophk	dammit janet	Dec 22 21:13
_Goblin	dressing whilst angry?	Dec 22 21:13
MinceR	:D	Dec 22 21:13
schestowitz__	it's the character in the film	Dec 22 21:13
_Goblin	what about a kilt?	Dec 22 21:14
_Goblin	Very itchy fabric.	Dec 22 21:14
schestowitz__	_Goblin: btw, did you notice we bought tuxmachines?	Dec 22 21:14
_Goblin	no...	Dec 22 21:14
schestowitz__	go check it out	Dec 22 21:15
schestowitz__	http://www.tuxmachines.org/	Dec 22 21:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.tuxmachines.org \| Tux Machines \| Do you waddle the waddle?	Dec 22 21:15
_Goblin	sorry I missed that...I'll check it out	Dec 22 21:15
_Goblin	Cool..!	Dec 22 21:18
_Goblin	I knew TM was being sold....didn't realize you got it!	Dec 22 21:18
_Goblin	I've been mainly on Twitter these days.	Dec 22 21:19
_Goblin	now around 72,000 words of my second of three books - "Tin Foil Hat"	Dec 22 21:23
_Goblin	and I'm hitting writers block...there's only so much conspiracy you can read about to get inspiration before your brain implodes into a singularity of utter nonsense.	Dec 22 21:24
_Goblin	I'm quite the expert with these conspiracies now....	Dec 22 21:24
_Goblin	Lizards (transdimensional and otherwise), Neanderthals....	Dec 22 21:25
_Goblin	911, area 51, project bluebook....dreamland....magestic 12	Dec 22 21:25
_Goblin	David Icke.... Jones, TPV.......	Dec 22 21:26
_Goblin	I've read 20+ Icke books, and around 20 others works...	Dec 22 21:26
_Goblin	about 100 hours of audiocast.... and countless hours of youtube and TPV.	Dec 22 21:26
_Goblin	and as I said a few days ago, word out with the conspiracy folk is that its not thermite anymore with the towers....its mini nukes.	Dec 22 21:28
_Goblin	I prefer transdimensional lizards myself.	Dec 22 21:28
schestowitz__	[21:27] <_Goblin> Lizards (transdimensional and otherwise), Neanderthals....	Dec 22 21:33
schestowitz__	I don't know about the lizard thing	Dec 22 21:33
schestowitz__	some videos show Icke speaking of it	Dec 22 21:33
schestowitz__	but maybe it's designed to discredit him, not just with metaphors	Dec 22 21:34
schestowitz__	he mixes his nonsense with some real stuff, like others of his kind	Dec 22 21:34
schestowitz__	Jones and Icke are quite differentc	Dec 22 21:34
schestowitz__	cannot speak of them as one	Dec 22 21:35
schestowitz__	I could say more about what I think their purpose is	Dec 22 21:35
schestowitz__	and my friends believe the same	Dec 22 21:36
schestowitz__	they're attract like a magnet people with particular opinions	Dec 22 21:36
schestowitz__	and then tie them with others, thus discrediting both	Dec 22 21:36
schestowitz__	IOW, some kind of controlled opposition	Dec 22 21:36
schestowitz__	and forums get infiltrated with alien abduction proponents and stuff, driving everyone away and ruining whatever credibility older content had	Dec 22 21:37
schestowitz__	!google nsa discredit targets	Dec 22 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Echoing dirty past, nsa sought to reveal porn habits to discredit targets \| https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/echoing-dirty-past-nsa-sought-reveal-porn-habits-discredit-targets	Dec 22 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part ... \| http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_4346128.html	Dec 22 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Report: NSA Spied on Targets' Porn Habits to Discredit ... - The Blaze \| http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/27/report-nsa-spied-on-targets-porn-habits-to-discredit-radicalizers-devotion-to-the-jihadist-cause/	Dec 22 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Report: NSA tracks online porn habits to discredit Muslim ... \| http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/11/27/nsa-records-onlinesexualactivitypornhabitsofmuslimradicalizers.html	Dec 22 21:37
msb_	Dilbert is great today: http://hf.dilbert.com/2013-12-22/	Dec 22 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr	hf.dilbert.com \| The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more!	Dec 22 21:40
schestowitz__	http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/open-source-closed-doors-foss-and-the-racial-divide.html#comments	Dec 22 21:44
TechrightsBot-tr	www.linuxtoday.com \| Linux Today - Open Source, Closed Doors? FOSS and the Racial Divide [ http://ur1.ca/g8rhd ]	Dec 22 21:44
schestowitz__	"The people who do something other in 'open source' than develop on their own on their own (and rather unrelevant) pet projects are a tiny minority of the people on this planet and (at least, this seems likely to me) also a tiny minority of the people doing software-related work, including programming to varying degrees (I figure that I spend at least half of my work time on customer support issues of all kinds of technical	Dec 22 21:44
schestowitz__	complexity). They're also a group of people who are mostly closely acquainted with each other, who come from a similar well-to-do background (even in countries where university education itself is more-or-less free, the accompanying costs are significant, eg, someone has to earn the money to feed and equip an additional grown-up person who could as well work herself) and who 'fit in' with a certain culture whose characteristics I'd	Dec 22 21:44
schestowitz__	usually associate with cocaine consumption -- boundless, loudmouthed, "the winner takes it all and nothing else matters" aggression towards prospective contenders on the same or on lower levels of the social hierarchy combined with equally boundless "groveling in one's waste products" when dealing with the powers that be (all partial quotes, Spemin included, totally intentional). As such, this is a pretty closed club and most people	Dec 22 21:44
schestowitz__	are not only not members but absolutely not welcome to become members as well, regardless of whatever their present and prospective abilities might be. Insofar this collides with one of the established, easily definable relative minority groups, some of the usual friction can be expected. But at its core, 'open source' is no more racist than misogynist, rather "hate and despise all the outsiders alike" (sound like humans, doesn't it?	Dec 22 21:45
schestowitz__	"	Dec 22 21:45
iophk	A little old - http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/10/31/opera-forum-blogging-platform-email-shut-march-1-2014/	Dec 22 21:46
TechrightsBot-tr	thenextweb.com \| My Opera to Shut Down on March 1, 2014 [ http://ur1.ca/g8rhm ]	Dec 22 21:46
schestowitz__	ah	Dec 22 21:47
schestowitz__	and people still wonder why self hosting is important...	Dec 22 21:47
_Goblin	Re: Icke and his lizards....nope he does say that...I've seen quite a few of his vids about them...	Dec 22 21:47
_Goblin	and also his books....	Dec 22 21:47
_Goblin	oh and BTW Icke also believes that the Moon is a spaceship	Dec 22 21:47
_Goblin	thats straight from Icke.	Dec 22 21:47
_Goblin	tragically thats some of his more sane stuff.	Dec 22 21:47
_Goblin	he seems to have forgotten about being Jesus though.....	Dec 22 21:48
_Goblin	maybe he's just modest? ;)	Dec 22 21:48
_Goblin	I'm looking forward to a debate with one of these conspiracy folk who say "research it"....as a defence...I have I've researched it thoroughly and am very prepared for their silliness.	Dec 22 21:50
_Goblin	and that was awful English...I'm sorry....I'm trying to wrap presents and type at the same time.	Dec 22 21:50
_Goblin	Mind you, after all these conspiracy theories, I do have a question - a conspiracy if you will......	Dec 22 21:54
_Goblin	Why do most of these conspiracy folk want to sell you books, dvd's and talks about their conspiracy?	Dec 22 21:55
_Goblin	There's alot of money in a conspiracy theory	Dec 22 21:55
MinceR	there's a lot of money in conspiracies too :>	Dec 22 21:57
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_Goblin	And I've not even started to talk about Scientology	Dec 22 21:59
_Goblin	now thats a good one......it works in the same way that Icke and his lizards does.	Dec 22 22:00
_Goblin	or the "truthers" who now don't think it thermite....	Dec 22 22:00
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Sosumi	no, it was the pleidians!	Dec 22 22:04
_Goblin	lol....	Dec 22 22:04
_Goblin	forgot about them..	Dec 22 22:04
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414863801939660800 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414874741355585537 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414875338150539265	Dec 22 22:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "The Airtame dongle itself is running a modified version of Raspbian" http://t.co/ocyzRsDX4Y	Dec 22 22:04
TechrightsBot-tr	-> arstechnica.com \| Airtame wants to mirror (almost) any screen to any other screen \| Ars Technica	Dec 22 22:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: The climate change denial lobby https://t.co/v4o72a3p0r #murdoch #fox #greed	Dec 22 22:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: On claustrophobia https://t.co/2lW8RAfGfO	Dec 22 22:04
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414875579302035456 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414877738789793794 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414878533379694593	Dec 22 22:04
_Goblin	with all these aliens, and transdimensional creatures, there's probably only about 4 humans on the planet (if we are to believe all these conspiracies)	Dec 22 22:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "Cuban President Raul Castro has called for "civilised relations" with the United States" http://t.co/pYjiOkgpWD who embargoes who?	Dec 22 22:04
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - Cuba's Raul Castro calls for 'civilised relations' with US	Dec 22 22:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Dozens of police injured as eviction protest turns violent in Hamburg (PHOTOS, VIDEO) http://t.co/UWQ8Xmt5eN #germany #hamburg	Dec 22 22:04
TechrightsBot-tr	-> rt.com \| NO TITLE	Dec 22 22:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: The disinformation monster is spreading to Europe http://t.co/1tfMWa9tnj	Dec 22 22:04
Sosumi	_Goblin, have you ever met a PILF?	Dec 22 22:04
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - Storyful social media firm bought by Rupert Murdoch	Dec 22 22:04
_Goblin	Nope....but I have a MILF	Dec 22 22:05
_Goblin	is that the same thing?	Dec 22 22:05
Sosumi	bummer, you killed my joke	Dec 22 22:05
schestowitz__	who's she?	Dec 22 22:05
_Goblin	lol	Dec 22 22:05
schestowitz__	Kylie has children?	Dec 22 22:05
_Goblin	Roy, you know I've a thing for Sarah Palin	Dec 22 22:06
_Goblin	now theres a MILF.....Not sure about PILF though.	Dec 22 22:07
_Goblin	She could be an alien though....it would explain alot.	Dec 22 22:07
Sosumi	lol	Dec 22 22:07
schestowitz__	Putin I'd like to F***?	Dec 22 22:08
schestowitz__	Or palin?	Dec 22 22:08
Sosumi	pleidian	Dec 22 22:08
Sosumi	it was a joke that started when RT America had the crazy pleidian women	Dec 22 22:09
Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAeSsvHhTg	Dec 22 22:09
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Aliens shot down California missile - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8rlq ]	Dec 22 22:10
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/414880827290681345	Dec 22 22:11
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "banks are using "their" money and laws (that they often wrote) to block municipalities' use of eminent domain" http://t.co/oeP4nPUZxv	Dec 22 22:11
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.truth-out.org \| Capitalism and Democracy: Year-End Lessons	Dec 22 22:11
Sosumi	nice ( . Y . ) anyways, too bad that desperate housewife is trying too hard to be popular	Dec 22 22:12
Sosumi	and nice way to actually discredit anyone who actually brings any kind of "conspiracy" fact into the light	Dec 22 22:14
DaemonFC	I'm still loving this Android phone.	Dec 22 22:22
DaemonFC	I think I bought the fastest one they sell. B-)	Dec 22 22:22
Sosumi	more news about the buttplug pro,	Dec 22 22:23
Sosumi	single gtx680 > two D700	Dec 22 22:23
Sosumi	on unigine valley benchmark	Dec 22 22:23
DaemonFC	The Snapdragon 800 is a VERY fast processor.	Dec 22 22:23
DaemonFC	I'm amazed. This thing is way WAY faster than that horrible G9 tablet I have.	Dec 22 22:23
Sosumi	I'm waiting for the galaxy s5	Dec 22 22:23
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 22:23
DaemonFC	I didn't feel like waiting.	Dec 22 22:24
DaemonFC	The G2 and Nexus 5 are at least half a generation more advanced than the Galaxy S4.	Dec 22 22:24
Sosumi	I could just go and get the note	Dec 22 22:24
Sosumi	but way too big	Dec 22 22:24
DaemonFC	They're both food phones that will last for years.	Dec 22 22:24
Sosumi	and I don't like the finish that much	Dec 22 22:24
DaemonFC	I didn't really feel like paying for a S4.	Dec 22 22:25
DaemonFC	It was the same price as the G2, and way slower.	Dec 22 22:25
DaemonFC	And it was caught cheating the Futuremark benchmark. :P	Dec 22 22:25
Sosumi	yeah :P	Dec 22 22:25
DaemonFC	And there's the minor issue of a S4 bursting into flames.	Dec 22 22:25
Sosumi	the bad thing about the nexus is the cheap dac	Dec 22 22:25
DaemonFC	And Samsung trying to remove the video with the DMCA.	Dec 22 22:26
Sosumi	otherwise it'd have excelent	Dec 22 22:26
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 22:26
DaemonFC	Not cool.	Dec 22 22:26
Sosumi	*been	Dec 22 22:26
DaemonFC	The G2 is pretty similar to the Nexus 5.	Dec 22 22:26
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DaemonFC	Mostly the same hardware.	Dec 22 22:26
DaemonFC	The G2 has a slightly larger screen, but the Nexus 5's has slightly higher dpi.	Dec 22 22:27
DaemonFC	I'd say it's a wash.	Dec 22 22:27
MinceR	dpi doesn't matter	Dec 22 22:27
MinceR	size and resolution matter	Dec 22 22:27
DaemonFC	Oh, then they're both the same resolution.	Dec 22 22:27
DaemonFC	The G2's screen is like 0.4" larger.	Dec 22 22:27
DaemonFC	LG makes the Nexus 5, so it's obvious why they're basically the same phone.	Dec 22 22:28
DaemonFC	One is branded for Google.	Dec 22 22:28
DaemonFC	That's the largest difference.	Dec 22 22:29
Sosumi	yeah, but they could have used better DACs	Dec 22 22:31
Sosumi	while sansumg on their phones tries way too hard to play the music the "best"	Dec 22 22:32
Sosumi	instead of focusing in playing the file true to how it was recorded/encoded	Dec 22 22:32
DaemonFC	I usually have the phone hooked up to headphones when I'm listening to music.	Dec 22 22:33
Sosumi	well, ofc	Dec 22 22:33
DaemonFC	Sounds alright to me.	Dec 22 22:33
Sosumi	which headphones are you using?	Dec 22 22:33
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DaemonFC	Uhhm, a big old pair of Koss ones that I got for 50 cents at a garage sale.	Dec 22 22:35
DaemonFC	:D	Dec 22 22:35
Sosumi	lol	Dec 22 22:35
_Goblin	I had a decent pair of headphones....	Dec 22 22:35
_Goblin	until Roy came around my house and broke them.	Dec 22 22:35
_Goblin	;)	Dec 22 22:35
MinceR	:)	Dec 22 22:36
DaemonFC	Mmmmm. I just changed my water filter...	Dec 22 22:36
DaemonFC	This water is delightfully tasteless...	Dec 22 22:36
MinceR	:>	Dec 22 22:36
DaemonFC	The tap water in this town tastes kind of funky.	Dec 22 22:37
DaemonFC	Of course, with the EPA being what it is, there's no telling what's actually in it.	Dec 22 22:38
DaemonFC	The Safe Drinking Water Act represents the science of the 1970s.	Dec 22 22:38
DaemonFC	Lobbyists have kept it from being modernized.	Dec 22 22:38
_Goblin	What were you after? Being able to light your water with a flame?	Dec 22 22:40
_Goblin	The modern water burns you know.	Dec 22 22:40
DaemonFC	Yeah, the fracking is causing that.	Dec 22 22:41
DaemonFC	Indiana's laws surely aren't any better than the federal ones.	Dec 22 22:41
_Goblin	I thought it fracking funny.... who holds a lighter to their tap?	Dec 22 22:41
DaemonFC	Our last governor (a Republican) called the federal EPA the "Employment Prevention Agency".	Dec 22 22:41
_Goblin	What shall we do today? Oh yes, I know, lets try to light the water.	Dec 22 22:41
MinceR	"damn, the gas service is down. i guess i'll try cooking with water today."	Dec 22 22:42
_Goblin	Now if only you could have a combustion engine running off the stuff, you'd be laughing... the fuel prices in the uk are extortionate.	Dec 22 22:42
_Goblin	I'm sure there's an alienesque conspiracy in the burning water......give it time..	Dec 22 22:44
_Goblin	I wonder, if you drunk this water then tried to light your pee, would you get a flame? Experiment of the day...	Dec 22 22:44
DaemonFC	"This is just like that time I had sex with that one person and got that one thing!"	Dec 22 22:45
DaemonFC	"Hahahahahaha!!!"	Dec 22 22:45
_Goblin	Mark my words....someone on Youtube will try it.	Dec 22 22:45
DaemonFC	I can't believe the gall of the Republicans in attacking the Environmental Protection Agency. They've already gutted it so badly that there are some areas of the country where you can set the tap water on fire (because of fracking), and the EPA is saying it's perfectly safe to drink.	Dec 22 22:46
DaemonFC	Even after all of that, Indiana's former governor (a Republican, Mitch Daniels) called the federal EPA the "Employment Prevention Agency".	Dec 22 22:46
DaemonFC	I was like.... "Are you **ing **ing me?"	Dec 22 22:46
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_Goblin	Mind you.....	Dec 22 22:47
_Goblin	people drink spirits.....you can light them....so whats the harm in a little flamable water?	Dec 22 22:47
MinceR	plenty	Dec 22 22:49
DaemonFC	Sarah Palin (and many Republicans, for that matter) remind me of that scene from Red Dwarf.	Dec 22 22:49
DaemonFC	Lister (reading Captain Hollister's report on Rimmer: "Stupid. Stupid Stupid. Stupid."	Dec 22 22:49
DaemonFC	Rimmer: "Was there anything else?"	Dec 22 22:49
DaemonFC	Lister: "Just your name and a dash."	Dec 22 22:49
DaemonFC	Like · · Share · 2 seconds ago ·	Dec 22 22:49
MinceR	the human body can process ethanol, but not hydrocarbons, afaik	Dec 22 22:49
_Goblin	then maybe they should learn.	Dec 22 22:49
MinceR	for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escolar	Dec 22 22:49
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| Escolar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	Dec 22 22:49
_Goblin	I'm sure Icke's transdimensional lizards will be ok with flamable water.	Dec 22 22:49
MinceR	then again, there's plenty of harm in consuming ethanol, too :>	Dec 22 22:52
DaemonFC	shared a link via The Other 98%.	Dec 22 22:52
DaemonFC	49 seconds ago · Edited	Dec 22 22:52
DaemonFC	http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/12/11/homelessness-hungerreportmayors.html	Dec 22 22:53
TechrightsBot-tr	america.aljazeera.com \| Hardworking yet still homeless in today's America \| Al Jazeera America [ http://ur1.ca/g8rwa ]	Dec 22 22:53
DaemonFC	McDonalds has helpful advice. Get on welfare, go to church, cut your food i	Dec 22 22:53
DaemonFC	Oh, and be sure to appropriately tip your personal masseuse.	Dec 22 22:53
DaemonFC	(Yes, they actually said all of this!)	Dec 22 22:53
DaemonFC	errr	Dec 22 22:53
_Goblin	I love a good MD burger.	Dec 22 22:53
DaemonFC	"Get on welfare, go to church, cut your food into little pieces, stop complaining, and sell your Christmas presents on ebay."	Dec 22 22:53
_Goblin	and the vanilla milkshake	Dec 22 22:54
DaemonFC	You mean the beaver anal gland milkshake.	Dec 22 22:54
_Goblin	yep	Dec 22 22:54
_Goblin	its lovely.	Dec 22 22:54
DaemonFC	Made by a minimum wage employee that hates you and didn't wash their hands after using the restroom.	Dec 22 22:54
DaemonFC	Mmmm. Tastes like Hepatitis!	Dec 22 22:54
_Goblin	it comes out a machine	Dec 22 22:54
DaemonFC	Yeah, and then they stuck their dick in it because they make minimum wage!	Dec 22 22:55
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 22 22:55
_Goblin	that would be ill advised its very cold	Dec 22 22:55
_Goblin	mind you, if you'd been drinking that flamable water.....	Dec 22 22:55
_Goblin	and just like how I don't want to think about how the animal is killed before it hits my plate, aslong as the milkshake tastes good, "the making of" means little.	Dec 22 22:56
_Goblin	lol....	Dec 22 22:56
DaemonFC	Well, it is McDonalds. If the employee jerks off in your hamburger, it's the healthiest part of the whole meal.	Dec 22 22:56
DaemonFC	They should really charge you extra for that.	Dec 22 22:56
_Goblin	LBC 97.3 has just said exactly what you mentioned daemonfc	Dec 22 22:56
_Goblin	about MD	Dec 22 22:56
DaemonFC	Which part?	Dec 22 22:56
_Goblin	the lifestyle bit about MD	Dec 22 22:57
_Goblin	how coinicidental is that?	Dec 22 22:57
DaemonFC	The "helpful advice"?	Dec 22 22:57
_Goblin	yep	Dec 22 22:57
_Goblin	LBC = Londons Biggest Conversation	Dec 22 22:57
DaemonFC	"Hmm, there seems to be semen in my hamburger...."	Dec 22 22:58
DaemonFC	Don't complain. At least you know where it came from!	Dec 22 22:58
MinceR	do you?	Dec 22 22:59
_Goblin	I was told that was mayonaise	Dec 22 22:59
DaemonFC	I'm serious. Their "hamburger" is really bad.	Dec 22 22:59
MinceR	there's plenty of species that produce semen.	Dec 22 22:59
DaemonFC	It's like mystery meat.	Dec 22 22:59
DaemonFC	And it does't even rot.	Dec 22 22:59
MinceR	well, i used to like their burgers	Dec 22 22:59
MinceR	now i pretty much only like the cheeseburger bacon	Dec 22 22:59
DaemonFC	They've got it so packed full of artificial preservatives that you can put a McDonalds hamburger in the closet for 10 years, and it will look pretty much the same as the day you bought it.	Dec 22 22:59
DaemonFC	There was a guy on Dr. Oz that did that.	Dec 22 22:59
MinceR	that's not what they're for, though	Dec 22 23:00
MinceR	they're for eating	Dec 22 23:00
_Goblin	yep	Dec 22 23:00
_Goblin	its like the person who lit their tap....why bother?	Dec 22 23:00
DaemonFC	I'd be too afraid to even try to light my tap water. It might work.	Dec 22 23:01
DaemonFC	Fucking Republicans....	Dec 22 23:01
MinceR	use a condom.	Dec 22 23:01
_Goblin	on his tap?	Dec 22 23:01
MinceR	on the republicans.	Dec 22 23:02
DaemonFC	Oh, I've only ever fucked one Republican, and I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic when he said he was one.	Dec 22 23:02
MinceR	:>	Dec 22 23:02
DaemonFC	Of course, his dad sure was a Republican.	Dec 22 23:02
DaemonFC	Well, mostly.	Dec 22 23:02
DaemonFC	His dad told him "I'm not thrilled about you being gay, just don't bring any niggers into the house."	Dec 22 23:02
DaemonFC	So, there you go.	Dec 22 23:02
MinceR	lol	Dec 22 23:03
DaemonFC	I didn't really like his family too much.	Dec 22 23:03
DaemonFC	He actually told me his dad said that.	Dec 22 23:04
DaemonFC	Then he finished the sentence off with "And I never did...."	Dec 22 23:04
DaemonFC	That's Martinsville, Indiana for you though.	Dec 22 23:05
DaemonFC	It's basically one of the last Klan holdouts in Indiana.	Dec 22 23:06
DaemonFC	https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1508147_693591210662747_112411953_n.jpg	Dec 22 23:08
MinceR	:)	Dec 22 23:09
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Sosumi	who are those in that pict? talibans? santa and his helpers?	Dec 23 00:45
MinceR	"duck dynasty"	Dec 23 00:45
Sosumi	I know! mobster santa	Dec 23 00:45
Sosumi	never heard of it	Dec 23 00:45
MinceR	fundie hillbillies, afaik	Dec 23 00:45
Sosumi	and why are gays sinners?	Dec 23 00:47
Sosumi	from my knowledge, being a sinner is walking at night under the "light" of the moon	Dec 23 00:47
MinceR	because the bible says that anal sex is an abomination :>	Dec 23 00:48
Sosumi	ppl professing what they don't understand	Dec 23 00:48
Sosumi	beats me	Dec 23 00:48
Sosumi	zee bible also says to not kill	Dec 23 00:50
Sosumi	yet...	Dec 23 00:51
Sosumi	iraq, afghanistan, kosovo...	Dec 23 00:51
MinceR	yeah, it says a lot of things	Dec 23 00:51
MinceR	and it often contradicts itself	Dec 23 00:51
MinceR	and people don't mind	Dec 23 00:51
MinceR	they just go "durr hurr it's the inerrant word of god"	Dec 23 00:52
Sosumi	korea, vietnam, dronings in pakistan and in Africa	Dec 23 00:52
Sosumi	terror tuesdays	Dec 23 00:52
Sosumi	targeted assassinations	Dec 23 00:52
Sosumi	NDAA	Dec 23 00:52
Sosumi	yeah it says all	Dec 23 00:52
Sosumi	the word of god, yay, I'm yet to hear his word	Dec 23 00:54
Sosumi	maybe he'll tell me to run for president too	Dec 23 00:54
MinceR	that will be difficult, seeing how their god is dealing with challenges in the existence department	Dec 23 00:55
MinceR	(also in the consistency of properties department)	Dec 23 00:55
Sosumi	yeah those dirty palestinians are still claiming that land IsraHELL got from god	Dec 23 00:57
Sosumi	don't reject the idea of a god which embodies the ideal of perfection, but tacking the bible or other religious books as they are is complete nonsense	Dec 23 00:58
MinceR	it's extremely far from perfection, to say the least	Dec 23 00:59
Sosumi	as they mostly describe celestial events, through the ages, in a way that only those initiated into the mysteries/priesthood can understand	Dec 23 00:59
Sosumi	it's just like saying, if the kingdom of heaven is withing men, so is the kingdom of hell	Dec 23 01:00
Sosumi	it just depends on what you want to externalize	Dec 23 01:00
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 23 01:02
Sosumi	seb³	Dec 23 01:03
sebsebseb	fewt: MinceR ping	Dec 23 01:03
MinceR	pong	Dec 23 01:03
Sosumi	the only guy around here that is 3 times great	Dec 23 01:03
sebsebseb	MinceR: humm	Dec 23 01:03
sebsebseb	maybe I shuld say on the LUG list	Dec 23 01:03
fewt	sebsebseb	Dec 23 01:03
sebsebseb	what distros and interfaces were picked	Dec 23 01:03
fewt	pong	Dec 23 01:03
sebsebseb	I just sai my ditro and de won't get used on the demo machines on there and such	Dec 23 01:04
sebsebseb	or I wait for more responses	Dec 23 01:04
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iophk	http://www.voanews.com/content/pussy-riot-member--release-is-pr-stunt/1815679.html	Dec 23 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr	www.voanews.com \| Pussy Riot Member: Release Is PR Stunt [ http://ur1.ca/g8v0h ]	Dec 23 09:24
iophk	http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-army-base-runs-unlicensed-windows-7-computers-131222/	Dec 23 09:29
TechrightsBot-tr	torrentfreak.com \| U.S. Army Base Runs Unlicensed Windows 7 Computers \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g8v1q ]	Dec 23 09:29
iophk	http://falkvinge.net/2013/12/23/reminder-1-copyright-monopoly-infringement-isnt-stealing-says-the-us-supreme-court/	Dec 23 09:29
TechrightsBot-tr	falkvinge.net \| Reminder 1: Copyright Monopoly Infringement Isn't Stealing (Says The US Supreme Court) - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/g8v1v ]	Dec 23 09:29
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schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415055139729592321 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415055234499874817 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415055259405676544	Dec 23 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Linux Mint 16 “Petra” KDE released! http://t.co/IKZfaAIr00 #kde #linuxmint #gnu #linux	Dec 23 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr	-> blog.linuxmint.com \| The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Linux Mint 16 “Petra” KDE released!	Dec 23 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: NVIDIA Optimus Linux Power Battery Tests http://t.co/rPT6xYKLR2 #nvidia #linux	Dec 23 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] NVIDIA Optimus Linux Power Battery Tests	Dec 23 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: GIMP Still Has Many Lofty Features To Develop http://t.co/a734wDs7v4 #gnu #gimp	Dec 23 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] GIMP Still Has Many Lofty Features To Develop	Dec 23 09:45
schestowitz_bed2	MinceR: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.564826	Dec 23 10:11
TechrightsBot-tr	www.haaretz.com \| Advertisement [ http://ur1.ca/g8vbn ]	Dec 23 10:11
schestowitz_bed2	"Many more Hungarians are looking to 'reclaim' Hungary's Nazi past"	Dec 23 10:11
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415061787814674432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415062552159485952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415062675354570752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415063461216124928	Dec 23 10:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: NASCAR politicians https://t.co/GndSBmClrA	Dec 23 10:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Holiday spirit https://t.co/rFlOuAMmx7	Dec 23 10:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Nixonism on steroids https://t.co/yQji6Agx6S	Dec 23 10:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Serving the boss http://t.co/bmNEoJTqbi	Dec 23 10:19
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msb_	"<iophk> http://www.voanews.com/content/pussy-riot-member--release-is-pr-stunt/1815679.html"	Dec 23 12:18
iophk	"This is a hoax and a PR move."	Dec 23 12:19
iophk	http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-pussy-riot-members-released-20131223,0,3122747.story	Dec 23 12:19
TechrightsBot-tr	www.latimes.com \| Two members of Russia punk band Pussy Riot freed from prison - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/g8vzt ]	Dec 23 12:19
iophk	Probably just tidying up before the Olympics.	Dec 23 12:20
iophk	Greenpeace activists are being let go too, I gather.	Dec 23 12:20
msb_	It's good that the imprisoned Pussy Riot members are being released. It would be better if Putin were moved by conscience instead of public pressure, but at least he's susceptible to that.	Dec 23 12:20
msb_	Putin is very important to the world for keeping the U.S. in check.	Dec 23 12:21
iophk	Kind of. He tends to run loose himself.	Dec 23 12:22
iophk	There are few checks and balances left in the big powers.	Dec 23 12:22
msb_	Yep.	Dec 23 12:22
iophk	They impose on each other a little bit if another encroaches on their interests. But otherwise, they seem unchecked.	Dec 23 12:24
msb_	It's interesting that the biggest breakthrough in life extension has been announced a few months after Obomber's attempt to destroy Syria (as he did Libya) was thwarted by alternative news organizations, notably globalresearch.ca, and the World Community via the Internet.	Dec 23 12:27
msb_	Taken together, these two events could represent a turning point in human social evolution.	Dec 23 12:29
iophk	I thought the news organizations have been on the way out for a while. There is almost no investigative reporting.	Dec 23 12:30
iophk	anymore	Dec 23 12:30
msb_	A triumph of people over the ultra-psychopath NWO, plus the first beginnings of real life extension.	Dec 23 12:31
msb_	The alternative, non-corporate news organizations have been getting stronger, and doing more investigations.	Dec 23 12:32
msb_	The "leaks" have helped.	Dec 23 12:33
iophk	A lot of ground has been lost in how "leaks" have been handled.	Dec 23 12:34
iophk	Journalists are now persecuted in countries where it wasn't a problem before. (much)	Dec 23 12:34
msb_	To be expected.	Dec 23 12:34
iophk	No on absolute terms, but in the present climate, yes.	Dec 23 12:35
msb_	All the research and exposure of pandemic psychopathy in our culture: G I Gurdjieff, Wilhelm Reich, Marija Gimbutas and Riane Eisler, Stefan Verstappen, and Tony Wright.	Dec 23 12:36
msb_	All talking about the same pandemic psychopathy from different viewpoints.	Dec 23 12:37
msb_	And with the Internet, their work is accessible to everyone.	Dec 23 12:37
msb_	The Net may destroy NWO world fascism as mimeograph machines destroyed Stalinism.	Dec 23 12:38
iophk	Unless they and their corporations are able to destroy the net first. It's on a balance right now.	Dec 23 12:39
iophk	DRM, net neutrality, etc..	Dec 23 12:39
msb_	Increased affordable communication is extremely important.	Dec 23 12:39
iophk	yes	Dec 23 12:39
msb_	There are a lot of very clever programmers working on various ways to get around DRM, non-neutrality, etc.	Dec 23 12:40
msb_	Hasn't every DRM scheme ever tried ultimately been defeated.	Dec 23 12:41
msb_	I read that bittorrent accounts for either 40% or 70% of all Net traffic.	Dec 23 12:42
msb_	Information wants to be free. Human knowledge belongs to the World.	Dec 23 12:42
msb_	FSF has a project developing tiny (wall-wart I think) encrypted servers.	Dec 23 12:44
msb_	And there's the whole mesh-network thing, started by OLPC, that doesn't use the corporate Net at all.	Dec 23 12:44
msb_	I think we're at a turning point, and I think we're going to win.	Dec 23 12:49
msb_	We being the human race.	Dec 23 12:49
iophk	There are still a lot of loose ends there. Mesh is good, but landlines are centralized.	Dec 23 12:51
msb_	There are parasites at every level, from bacteria to nations. It's energetically easier to enslave and rob others than to create for oneself.	Dec 23 12:51
iophk	+1	Dec 23 12:51
msb_	Until the victims get wise and fight back.	Dec 23 12:51
iophk	Healthy systems have mechanisms to remove the parasites.	Dec 23 12:51
iophk	Or else they wither and or die.	Dec 23 12:51
msb_	Yes. And we're gradually getting healthier, understanding the problem better despite the parasites' lies, improving our immune system.	Dec 23 12:53
iophk	unless mountain-topping and fracking destroy much of the water	Dec 23 12:54
msb_	The parasites/psychopaths and their corporate media call our research "conspiracy theories". But many people see through that.	Dec 23 12:54
msb_	"There's no green there. They killed their Mother,"	Dec 23 12:56
msb_	We're going to have to fight fracking etc as we fought and stopped the Vietnam War during the 1960s-70s renaissance.	Dec 23 12:57
msb_	Back then we had cannabis and LSD that woke people up.	Dec 23 12:59
msb_	Now we have the Net. And cannabis.	Dec 23 12:59
iophk	If the privatized prisons lose the excuse of cannabis, they will turn to criminalize some other common, innocuous things.	Dec 23 13:00
iophk	Non-violent "criminals" are the most profitble to manage.	Dec 23 13:01
msb_	There's a limit to what even sheeple will put up with.	Dec 23 13:01
iophk	the limit is high when whole regions have only Faux News on the tube and Cumulus/ClearChannel on the radio.	Dec 23 13:02
iophk	Otherwise I agree.	Dec 23 13:02
msb_	And the cannabis-awakened dissidents in the '60s were the children of the brainwashed sheeple.	Dec 23 13:03
msb_	Everyone has the Net!	Dec 23 13:03
iophk	The net changes how the world can get information. Not just how but also the availability.	Dec 23 13:03
msb_	And they can now buy a computer for $60!	Dec 23 13:03
msb_	Yes!	Dec 23 13:04
msb_	A political manifesto can be concealed by steganography in a gif of Britney Spears.	Dec 23 13:04
iophk	Actually the strength of the net is that things can now be out in the open.	Dec 23 13:07
msb_	Certainly that's better, and much more accessible.	Dec 23 13:07
msb_	But if the ghouls clamp down, there are technical ways around it.	Dec 23 13:08
msb_	Line of sight infrared laser links, through cheap telescopes, is an interesting alternative to fiber and radio. Several GHz bandwidth.	Dec 23 13:09
msb_	Difficult to detect.	Dec 23 13:09
msb_	But hopefully it will not be needed.	Dec 23 13:10
msb_	Why don't the monsters just kill all the dissidents? Surely they could. They know who and where we all are.	Dec 23 13:11
iophk	Line of sight communication is not practical in most environments, including urban ones.	Dec 23 13:11
iophk	Even out in the suburbs and rural areas, towers are needed for that.	Dec 23 13:11
iophk	Best not to lose the net in the first place.	Dec 23 13:11
msb_	Either they're afraid of adverse public opinion, or they are constrained by some "rules of the game" that we don't know about.	Dec 23 13:11
msb_	As long as one house can be seen from the windows of another, a link can be set up.	Dec 23 13:13
iophk	Hence the need for towers	Dec 23 13:13
msb_	And within urban housing blocks, fiber can be run house to house, undetectably.	Dec 23 13:14
iophk	If you're that close, then sneakernet is probably better.	Dec 23 13:14
msb_	Too slow.	Dec 23 13:14
iophk	http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/12/22/cyanogenmod-is-now-installed-on-over-10-million-android-devices/	Dec 23 13:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.androidpolice.com \| CyanogenMod Is Now Installed On Over 10 Million Android Devices [ http://ur1.ca/g8w9y ]	Dec 23 13:15
msb_	Are those ROMs full of Linux, busybox, etc?	Dec 23 13:17
iophk	Which ROMS? Some are at least.	Dec 23 13:18
msb_	CyanogenMod	Dec 23 13:18
iophk	That's Linux/Android	Dec 23 13:18
iophk	There is still the problem of the second phone CPU.	Dec 23 13:19
iophk	http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170874-the-secret-second-operating-system-that-could-make-every-mobile-phone-insecure	Dec 23 13:19
TechrightsBot-tr	www.extremetech.com \| The secret second operating system that could make every mobile phone insecure \| ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/g8wag ]	Dec 23 13:19
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod	Dec 23 13:19
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| CyanogenMod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/8th0c ]	Dec 23 13:19
msb_	Aren't the original ROMs soldered in?	Dec 23 13:20
msb_	This could lead to everyone who has a mobile phone also having a general-purpose computer and access to the Net.	Dec 23 13:25
iophk	The firmware is erasable.	Dec 23 13:26
msb_	Why? Don't they want to keep the users locked in?	Dec 23 13:28
msb_	Wow, CyanogenMod is available for free!	Dec 23 13:31
msb_	All the best software is.	Dec 23 13:32
msb_	Here's a paper I just wrote. But it's only version 1 -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/Wright,Psychopathy,Everything-everyone.001b	Dec 23 13:44
msb_	That article in extremetech is hilarious!	Dec 23 13:49
iophk	It would be a lot of work to recreate the internal OS to replace it.	Dec 23 13:50
msb_	And maybe impossible unless you open the low-level chips and trace the circuits with an electron microscope.	Dec 23 13:52
iophk	The phone makers seem happy with the current bad arrangements.	Dec 23 13:53
msb_	Another huge battleground between open and closed.	Dec 23 13:53
msb_	A white-hat hacker might be able to reprogram millions of phones with something like CyanogenMod.	Dec 23 14:01
msb_	Give everyone a huge upgrade.	Dec 23 14:01
msb_	I was going to get a USB5 socket in the back of my neck, but now I'm having second thoughts.	Dec 23 14:02
msb_	Have you seen the anime'	Dec 23 14:03
msb_	series "Ghost in the Shell" ?	Dec 23 14:03
iophk	nope	Dec 23 14:03
msb_	It's great!	Dec 23 14:04
msb_	Lots of torrents of it.	Dec 23 14:05
msb_	New series I've never heard of, with only subtitles, not dubbed (yet).	Dec 23 14:08
msb_	Cyborgs, but very human.	Dec 23 14:08
msb_	Well-drawn.	Dec 23 14:08
msb_	Cartoon Network in the US broadcasts a lot of good animes, dubbed in English.	Dec 23 14:10
msb_	What an interesting time we're living in.	Dec 23 14:12
msb_	The next generation will have it easy.	Dec 23 14:12
msb_	Or they'll be fighting Skynet terminators from underground tunnels.	Dec 23 14:12
MinceR	schestowitz_bed2: i didn't know	Dec 23 15:36
MinceR	well, i was aware of the statue, but not of the book-burning	Dec 23 15:37
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3441959	Dec 23 15:47
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Serving the boss http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/138776586960096.jpg	Dec 23 15:47
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440110	Dec 23 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "NSA abuses and dragnet data collection... BitTorrent Sync can be up to seven times faster than Dropbox." http://www.tomshardware.com/news/bittorrent-sync-nsa-dropbox-file-sharing,25319.html	Dec 23 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.tomshardware.com \| BitTorrent Sync Lands 2 Million Users [ http://ur1.ca/g8xd0 ]	Dec 23 15:54
schestowitz_bed2	"i love bittorrent so much"	Dec 23 15:54
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schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440304	Dec 23 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Theory: What If Search Engines Too Are Partly Subsidised by #NSA to Mine Our Minds?	Dec 23 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Theory: What If Search Engines Too Are Partly Subsidised by NSA to Mine Our Minds? \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g8xd2 ]	Dec 23 15:54
schestowitz_bed2	"	Dec 23 15:55
schestowitz_bed2	Microsoft itself is subsidized by continued government use of Windows, bailouts and other money, but mining is only the first step to what Microsoft's "decision engine" does. Bing is a spy, but Microsoft has Windows file indexing and daily encrypted communications to really spy on people. Bing is a propaganda machine and Microsoft has long been a willing censor.	Dec 23 15:55
schestowitz_bed2	You should note the concern Google's "Desktop Search" caused at Microsoft, when Google beat Microsoft to it. At that point, Microsoft knew their OS was redundant to the US government. This is when Microsoft really decided to kill Google.	Dec 23 15:55
schestowitz_bed2	I'm not sure how much Google was subsidized. They got start up money from private sources and were an immediate success. Their growth seems to have been self driven and well planned.	Dec 23 15:55
schestowitz_bed2	In an honest world, the Google would never have bothered with operating systems and retail internet service. They got into those because they were rightly afraid of Microsoft locking Windows users out of Google services.	Dec 23 15:55
schestowitz_bed2	"	Dec 23 15:55
schestowitz_bed2	Family members of Google's funders subsidised Google in the early days. It takes a lot of crawling and money (and lawyer fees) just to become a contender, let alone a leader. Assange published a good piece showing how close Google became to the US government.	Dec 23 15:56
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440063	Dec 23 15:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #intel "allowing its microprocessors to load fixes automatically when your computer starts." http://steveblank.com/2013/07/15/your-computer-may-already-be-hacked-nsa-inside/ #nsa	Dec 23 15:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> steveblank.com \| Your Computer May Already be Hacked – NSA Inside? \| Steve Blank [ http://ur1.ca/g8xdc ]	Dec 23 15:57
schestowitz_bed2	"Very interesting, http://es.slideshare.net/endrazine/defcon-hardware-backdooring-is-practical "	Dec 23 15:57
TechrightsBot-tr	es.slideshare.net \| [Defcon] Hardware backdooring is practical [ http://ur1.ca/g8xdd ]	Dec 23 15:57
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415146964796571648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415147320536481792 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415147907931971584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415151268945223680	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: This Christmas don't settle for a listening device; return to store, exchange for something like a tablet http://t.co/yuVlxCCjak	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.extremetech.com \| The secret second operating system that could make every mobile phone insecure \| ExtremeTech	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Alternatives to #android which emerge from Android http://t.co/orD7MtOQWg Replicant even better	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.androidpolice.com \| CyanogenMod Is Now Installed On Over 10 Million Android Devices	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Russia prepared for Olympic PR stunt (expensive), so a PR stunt is desperately needed http://t.co/Nu2njEqXRD http://t.co/ymopW2SZJ5	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.voanews.com \| Pussy Riot Member: Release Is PR Stunt	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.latimes.com \| Two members of Russia punk band Pussy Riot freed from prison - latimes.com	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Fundamental Cultural Rights Must be at the Heart of #Copyright #Reform in Europe! http://t.co/gdsSeirun5 currently driven by biz	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.laquadrature.net \| Fundamental Cultural Rights Must be at the Heart of Copyright Reform in Europe! \| La Quadrature du Net	Dec 23 16:14
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415151814091485185 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415152062327164928 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415152711878053888 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415153079403954176	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Why does #russia use #microsoft despite Microsoft being the NSA's best friend? It's simple, it sleeps w/ everyone. http://t.co/vI0AieoCqm	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.humanrightsfirst.org \| New Report: Microsoft and abuse of antipiracy laws in Russia \| Human Rights First	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Copyright law is one tool among several that can be used for selective enforcement (jail). Selective application of blackmail another tool.	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #microsoft + #kgb #putin = control http://t.co/7VbU8lpLlx http://t.co/PKRgjFQBFe http://t.co/sRAkQlfngo http://t.co/g390L6S1DK	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.thenewstribe.com \| Russia to charge Greenpeace activists with piracy \| The News Tribe	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Microsoft in Russia - Techrights	Dec 23 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #microsoft knows that Power has no borders (class wars' borders are financial), so it approaches govs, offers power over the majority of ppl	Dec 23 16:14
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415153731186229248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415154035445227520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415154478636363776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415155049422413825	Dec 23 16:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Texting https://t.co/6O9PTjHsgv	Dec 23 16:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "new study" https://t.co/EBGhIyXk1Q	Dec 23 16:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Gaming numbers: West pretends life expectancy will soar (promoting pension fiction), basing it on statistics of omission, like in employment	Dec 23 16:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Balancing the abacus: obesity, cancer up, so factor in child mortality, omit 'premature' death. Salaries down, count 10 hr/week as "working"	Dec 23 16:45
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3442852	Dec 23 16:49
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Copyright law is one tool among several that can be used for selective enforcement (jail). Selective application of blackmail another tool.	Dec 23 16:49
schestowitz_bed2	"Not to mention crimes like fraud and money laundering."	Dec 23 16:49
schestowitz_bed2	They're "petty crimes" and worthy of amnesty of government slap on wrist when done in huge scales	Dec 23 16:49
schestowitz_bed2	"That's the problem, that it's selective.maybe Justice is not blind after all."	Dec 23 16:50
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415161640334921729 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415163584126398465 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164083290517504 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164222826614784	Dec 23 17:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Microlinux Enterprise Desktop 14.1 MATE http://t.co/Qk3D4Vhao0 #gnu #linux	Dec 23 17:04
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.microlinux.fr \| Microlinux Enterprise Desktop 14.1 MATE	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Links 23/12/2013: Games for #gnu #linux http://t.co/cjZjdCRBpW so that nobody gets bores in the coming week(s)	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Links 23/12/2013: Games \| Techrights	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #RSA acknowledges working with the #nsa (and then tries to spin). RSA is dead. It caused a lot of damage though, taking many down with it.	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: The year the NSA hacked the world: A 2013 PRISM timeline (Part II) http://t.co/kPMAIw5VTo #nsa #prism #collusion	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.itproportal.com \| The year the NSA hacked the world: A 2013 PRISM timeline (Part II) \| ITProPortal.com	Dec 23 17:05
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164630882074624 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415164811581067264 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415165257964085248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415165433902534656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415165882416250880	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Using an event to embark on a campaign of limitless industrial and political #espionage http://t.co/IX2JPaMOP2	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.techweekeurope.co.uk \| Declassified Documents Prove 9/11 Led To Mass NSA Surveillance	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Obama - so much for 'reform' and 'change' http://t.co/Ww7NedR6Eb	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.pcadvisor.co.uk \| U.S. government moves to block further litigation in NSA surveillance cases - PC Advisor	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: 12 years after an event the man who wanted to classify Wikipedia "terrorism" uses more rhetoric and lies http://t.co/o3RfeKqgFr	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> washington.cbslocal.com \| Rep. King: NSA Metadata Could Have Prevented 9/11 Attacks « CBS DC	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #CBS must feel better now; it can publish #propaganda without fearing that the public will reveal its agenda; the public already knows.	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Is #bloomberg writing #propaganda pieces for #microsoft now? http://t.co/XG3JUqs09p	Dec 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.bloomberg.com \| Data Are Money for Google to Yahoo Asking NSA to Back Off - Bloomberg	Dec 23 17:05
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3443070	Dec 23 17:08
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 12 years after an event the man who wanted to classify Wikipedia "terrorism" uses more rhetoric and lies http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/12/23/rep-king-nsa-metadata-could-have-prevented-911-attacks/	Dec 23 17:08
schestowitz_bed2	"They take the passport off Snowden - this seems to stop people. Maybe if they had taken the passports off the Terrorists * or better still not handed them out in Jedha Saudi Arabia ........ With a Top Official demanding they not be handed them maybe that would also have saved many lives .......... The systems are there to stop things happening and data is only used after an event .... Proof Boston .........."	Dec 23 17:08
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415167279945756672 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415167602353504256 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415167775280472065	Dec 23 17:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Remotely controlled Hellfire missiles shot at buildings and cars with unarmed civilians. Guess who gets called "militant".	Dec 23 17:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: 5PM. People are going back home (or away) for a while. Let's see if, like last year, #obama takes advantage, bombs 'militants' every 2 days	Dec 23 17:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Drones 2.0, B52 edition http://t.co/a2n5TCrNa0	Dec 23 17:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> qz.com \| This is the lethal electronic kit that changed Colombia’s history – Quartz	Dec 23 17:14
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415168249735946240	Dec 23 17:14
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Obama Run Amuck http://t.co/yg2Vg32sIp "Kill, kill, kill, profess no knowledge of the killing, throw a curtain of extreme secrecy"	Dec 23 17:14
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.counterpunch.org \| Obama Run Amuck » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names	Dec 23 17:14
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415168814310240257	Dec 23 17:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #LinuxMint 16 #KDE and #Xfce released http://t.co/Y4lr1JHukj	Dec 23 17:17
TechrightsBot-tr	-> m.itworld.com \| Linux Mint 16 KDE and Xfce released \| ITworld	Dec 23 17:17
DaemonFC	going back to bed	Dec 23 17:17
DaemonFC	Tim took us out to Bob Evans for breakfast....	Dec 23 17:17
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 23 17:17
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schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3442778	Dec 23 17:19
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This Christmas don't settle for a listening device; return to store, exchange for something like a tablet http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170874-the-secret-second-operating-system-that-could-make-every-mobile-phone-insecure	Dec 23 17:19
schestowitz_bed2	"And what of tablets which include integrated SIM capability? I suppose you could eject the SIM, but aren't you basically just dealing with a larger phone?"	Dec 23 17:19
MinceR	you could eject the sim from a mobile phone too	Dec 23 17:20
MinceR	same thing	Dec 23 17:20
schestowitz_bed2	"If the tablet has a SIM, then it also has that 'secondary operating system'. Most tablets lack a phone function, but they still have microphones and a radio internet link. Might be a good idea to verify that the tablet you are buying has only WiFi ..."	Dec 23 17:20
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3440036	Dec 23 17:20
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This Christmas the #uk is becoming part of PRC, policy-wise http://pseudomonas.dreamwidth.org/120535.html	Dec 23 17:20
TechrightsBot-tr	-> pseudomonas.dreamwidth.org \| pseudomonas \| O2 vs Wikipedia - a quick look inside the minds of the folks who build the blockers. [ http://ur1.ca/g8xuh ]	Dec 23 17:20
schestowitz_bed2	We should not believe the O2 filtering page but the news is consistent with NSA programs to spy and blackmail. If they have built a great firewall of china that can filter everyone's surfing, no one can be sure their traffic is unfiltered. We can assume that the list is incomplete, so that truly forbidden pages are made invisible. We should not believe the O2 filtering page but the news is consistent with NSA programs to spy and	Dec 23 17:20
schestowitz_bed2	blackmail. If they have built a great firewall of china that can filter everyone's surfing, no one can be sure their traffic is unfiltered. We can assume that the list is incomplete, so that truly forbidden pages are made invisible. That the system also records every click, and flags attempts to access porn and other embarrassing pages, is consistent with NSA objectives. Big Brother is a cooperative arrangement but our oligarchy	Dec 23 17:20
schestowitz_bed2	is not collective."That the system also records every click, and flags attempts to access porn and other embarrassing pages, is consistent with NSA objectives. Big Brother is a cooperative arrangement but our oligarchy is not collective.	Dec 23 17:20
schestowitz_bed2	MinceR: yeah, well, some tablets have 3g	Dec 23 17:20
schestowitz_bed2	I don't like those	Dec 23 17:20
schestowitz_bed2	it's not a feature	Dec 23 17:20
MinceR	neither do i	Dec 23 17:20
MinceR	it's a feature, but there's more bad to it than good	Dec 23 17:21
iophk	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25497013	Dec 23 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr	www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - AK47 assault rifle inventor Kalashnikov dies at 94 [ http://ur1.ca/g8xwv ]	Dec 23 17:31
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Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-nxemBCcmU	Dec 23 18:29
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| DEF CON 21 - Karl Koscher and Eric Butler - The Secret Life of SIM Cards - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g8y5c ]	Dec 23 18:29
Sosumi	SIM application aka applets can be SILENTLY installed by the carrier (or someone posing as the carrier if he has the OTA key)	Dec 23 18:38
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msb_	Perhaps it is impossible to hide anything from the governments/World-Fascism/NWO. Then the solution is to wake up enough people to reality, organize publicly, openly. And stop cooperating with the corporations and their governments.	Dec 23 19:06
msb_	Stop thinking and writing that Obama is a liberal, and recognize publicly that he is a Fascist psychopath who pretends to be a liberal, using is dark skin as a disguise.	Dec 23 19:08
msb_	is -> his	Dec 23 19:08
msb_	That article in CounterPunch is great. Thanks, Roy!	Dec 23 19:09
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roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415186368693010432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415200962589253632 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415201705970913280	Dec 23 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Pre-Christmas photos just uploaded http://t.co/xxHixIUIG0	Dec 23 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr	-> schestowitz.com \| Pre-Christmas	Dec 23 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Damn oxygen https://t.co/hsFb1rppQR ask #fox 'news' why we need "plant food" (C02)	Dec 23 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: The #cia was not always killing "rebels" in #colombia - just like in #syria when the leadership does not serve the Empire, CIA arms "rebels"	Dec 23 19:37
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415202362001997824 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415203759569240065	Dec 23 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Back to black. Remember when German police wore green? http://t.co/emYcVc2Ndc	Dec 23 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Sending "gear" -- not food -- to #sudan http://t.co/D5XhWQFKVg	Dec 23 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.marinecorpstimes.com \| Army sends troops to South Sudan, gear to African Union \| Marine Corps Times \| marinecorpstimes.com	Dec 23 19:37
iophk	revisionism - it was doing well until Elop : http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/12/22/finland-oulu-idINDEE9BL04020131222	Dec 23 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr	in.reuters.com \| Finnish city Oulu sees light at end of Nokia tunnel \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/g8yhy ]	Dec 23 19:48
roy_	Ah, that revisionism	Dec 23 19:54
roy_	don't worry, if you put your mind to it, you can change history	Dec 23 19:54
roy_	time works in your favour	Dec 23 19:54
roy_	because people don't have good memories, and at times the first-hand witnesses simply due	Dec 23 19:55
roy_	*die	Dec 23 19:55
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415204852005101568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415205827528884224 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415206384750559233 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415206913870430208	Dec 23 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: A merry Christmas to #snowden from those who committed the crimes (whistleblowing!=crime) http://t.co/o6iMzeMQz5 http://t.co/vVbuwVcS7q	Dec 23 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> swampland.time.com \| NSA Leakers: Edward Snowden Doesn't 'Deserve Amnesty,' Susan Rice Says \| TIME.com	Dec 23 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.upi.com \| NSA's Rice: Snowden should 'come back and face justice' - UPI.com	Dec 23 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Remember when Bezos, who gets half a billion from the #cia bought the paper #washpo - already notorious for CIA ties? http://t.co/W083PA1eXu	Dec 23 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.washingtonpost.com \| NSA paranoia: Enough already	Dec 23 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Obeying the law? Manana http://t.co/UPcO8es6tg	Dec 23 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.digitaltrends.com \| Obama to make a "definitive statement" on NSA spying in January \| Digital Trends	Dec 23 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Galloway: "I believe that the British State has essentially rented itself out" to #nsa http://t.co/y28WzsC9c7 #surveillance	Dec 23 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	-> voiceofrussia.com \| UK’s GCHQ doing the NSA's heavy lifting – George Galloway - News - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video	Dec 23 19:56
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415207395301019648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415207876333150208 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415208321810178048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415208680087642112	Dec 23 19:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "Special Collecting Services (SCS) "listening posts" in more than 80 cities worldwide, including Beijing, Shanghai.." http://t.co/7hJ4ilVX8H	Dec 23 19:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.atimes.com \| Asia Times Online :: US tech firms hit by NSA revelations	Dec 23 19:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #espionage torpedoes fair competition -- value I've stood for all along. This is competition abuse. Who's spied on by NSA? #EU regulators.	Dec 23 19:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Tears of hypocrites: Silicon valley (and Washington) firms like Apple and Boeing whining about loss of sales after enjoying #nsa #espionage	Dec 23 19:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Crocodile tears: #nsa says that leaks hurt, just as #cia says that terrorism is bad when it actually makes them seem more necessary ($$)	Dec 23 19:57
roy_	https://twitter.com/NavinChauhan/status/415197586094432256	Dec 23 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	No message found	Dec 23 19:58
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 23 20:07
MinceR	hay	Dec 23 20:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: hi	Dec 23 20:08
sebsebseb	bored	Dec 23 20:08
roy_	ah	Dec 23 20:15
roy_	get games then	Dec 23 20:15
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415209824604143616 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415210966746669056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415212002978824192	Dec 23 20:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: When you put a bounty on snakes you make an incentive for people to breed more snakes to 'kill'. Same with #cia and terrorists.	Dec 23 20:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: In Reykjavík (Iceland), the 'pirate' politicians rise to double-digit (%) representation http://t.co/z2nEHRKG8a ... https://t.co/tUBx4xIXZe	Dec 23 20:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.ruv.is \| Framsókn og Píratar bæta ögn við fylgi \| RÚV	Dec 23 20:16
TechrightsBot-tr	-> joindiaspora.com \| In Reykjavík (Ice...	Dec 23 20:16
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: “We exchanged dollars. We each still had one dollar. Then I met a man with an idea. We exchanged ideas. Now we each have two ideas.”	Dec 23 20:16
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415212152728072192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415212491539771393 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415213618918350848	Dec 23 20:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Schadenfreude https://t.co/Sd646D1INr	Dec 23 20:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Michael Parenti: The US Empire Sees Only Two Kinds of Countries: Satellites or Enemies http://t.co/6nwVb31vQF seems accurate	Dec 23 20:17
TechrightsBot-tr	-> dandelionsalad.wordpress.com \| Michael Parenti: The US Empire Sees Only Two Kinds of Countries: Satellites or Enemies \| Dandelion Salad	Dec 23 20:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Changing minds https://t.co/fL53DLPFlr	Dec 23 20:17
roy_	http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-sotomayor-undermined-obamas-nsa	Dec 23 20:30
TechrightsBot-tr	www.msnbc.com \| How Sotomayor undermined Obama's NSA \| MSNBC [ http://ur1.ca/g8yq6 ]	Dec 23 20:30
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415218300495593472 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415218832677281793 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415219191130882048	Dec 23 20:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: "Israel has sometimes joined the US in electronic spying on others" http://t.co/JsxsR1kUIB not just spying; military contracts also	Dec 23 20:44
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.turkishweekly.net \| Analysis: Why has Netanyahu been silent over NSA spying on Israel?, 23 December 2013	Dec 23 20:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: When nations say that they "need" the colonists they have Stockholm Syndrome and what they often mean is, "we are afraid to disobey"	Dec 23 20:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #cbs calls "puff piece" journalism http://t.co/987AmPriaG shows how "professional" reporters became agents of PR	Dec 23 20:44
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.mediaite.com \| 60 Minutes Reporter Lambasts Critics of NSA Piece: They Want ‘Televised Drama,’ Not Journalism \| Mediaite	Dec 23 20:44
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415219919694102529 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415220558427865089 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415221142048493569	Dec 23 20:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Changing history about #snowden http://t.co/rOHvAqwbWK because he seeks asylum/protection from the US http://t.co/0dOizeymOw	Dec 23 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.opposingviews.com \| Rep. Mike Rogers Falsely Claims Edward Snowden Traded NSA Documents for 'Personal Gain'	Dec 23 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr	-> rt.com \| NO TITLE	Dec 23 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Politicians who want to survive in the business don't mess with the #nsa and its #empire (blackmail and smears ensue) http://t.co/KRJBs0OckB	Dec 23 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.theinquirer.net \| US military propaganda team busted- The Inquirer	Dec 23 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: Maybe this is why many politicians don't step forward and criticise the #nsa as much as they wish to http://t.co/31P0W4kmhB	Dec 23 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - NSA 'planned to discredit radicals over web-porn use'	Dec 23 20:45
iophk	http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9244953/Microsoft_to_face_computer_makers_rebellion_at_CES	Dec 23 21:00
TechrightsBot-tr	www.computerworld.com \| Microsoft to face computer makers' rebellion at CES [ http://ur1.ca/g8ytn ]	Dec 23 21:00
iophk	trying to push Android-in-VM or dual-booting instead of raw Android. M$ Jack was pushing dual-boot, too, so it must be the new party line.	Dec 23 21:00
iophk	Again, restricted boot is a big barrier for home installation.	Dec 23 21:00
MinceR	interesting how they didn't want dual boot when they had the upper hand	Dec 23 21:01
MinceR	even breaking the boot loader just so they could have total control over the PC	Dec 23 21:01
iophk	"M$, too" (tm)	Dec 23 21:01
iophk	It's how they got into the market in the first place.	Dec 23 21:01
iophk	There was some Comes V M$ exhibit about "equal time" or something like that. This is more of the same.	Dec 23 21:02
roy_	didn't it want to boot with os2?	Dec 23 21:02
roy_	I recall something along those lines	Dec 23 21:02
roy_	Then there was BeOS	Dec 23 21:02
roy_	!google controls the bootloader glasse	Dec 23 21:03
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Exploiting a Bug in Google's Glass - Jay Freeman (saurik) \| http://www.saurik.com/id/16	Dec 23 21:03
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Google Releases Glass Factory System Image, Rooted Bootloader ... \| http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/05/24/2214208/google-releases-glass-factory-system-image-rooted-bootloader	Dec 23 21:03
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - AN86526 - PSoC® 4 I2C Bootloader - Cypress \| http://www.cypress.com/%3FrID%3D83293	Dec 23 21:03
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - AN84401 - PSoC® 3 and PSoC 5LP SPI Bootloader - Cypress \| http://www.cypress.com/%3FrID%3D78703	Dec 23 21:03
roy_	gasse?	Dec 23 21:03
MinceR	gassee	Dec 23 21:03
iophk	Obviously M$ is aiming for the VM options because it guarantees the poorest experience for Android use.	Dec 23 21:03
MinceR	it also guarantees total control over the machine for m$	Dec 23 21:03
iophk	Keizer	Dec 23 21:03
roy_	he's OK	Dec 23 21:03
MinceR	(and pushing arbitrary code to it via winblows update)	Dec 23 21:04
roy_	Although the other day he pushed some Windows agenda	Dec 23 21:04
iophk	os2 was before dual booting	Dec 23 21:04
roy_	saying to MS, extend WinXP support deadlin	Dec 23 21:04
roy_	usually he slams Microsoft fot security flaws	Dec 23 21:04
iophk	the article about that was "he who controls the bootloader"	Dec 23 21:04
roy_	when Microsoft wants boot, it means giving the boot to competition	Dec 23 21:05
roy_	disguised as "choice" or "not ANTI-Microsoft"	Dec 23 21:05
iophk	But I was thinking of some Iowa exhibit where M$ demanded "equal time" which always played out to be the lion's share of the time.	Dec 23 21:05
roy_	That's how b0ng is marketed	Dec 23 21:05
iophk	and resources	Dec 23 21:05
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415224805659795457 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415225175706464257	Dec 23 21:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: How Docker turned intricate Linux code into developer pixie dust http://t.co/3zky8WGo5A #docker #linux #gnu	Dec 23 21:06
roy_	bbl	Dec 23 21:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> venturebeat.com \| How Docker turned intricate Linux code into developer pixie dust \| VentureBeat \| Cloud \| by Jordan Novet	Dec 23 21:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: #Linux 3.13-rc5 released http://t.co/JeJuzeFt9V	Dec 23 21:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.techienews.co.uk \| Linux 3.13-rc5 releasedTechie News	Dec 23 21:06
iophk	http://bsdly.blogspot.fi/2013/12/the-uk-porn-filter-blocks-kids-access.html	Dec 23 21:15
TechrightsBot-tr	bsdly.blogspot.fi \| That grumpy BSD guy: The UK "Porn" Filter Blocks Kids' Access To Tech, Civil Liberties Websites [ http://ur1.ca/g8yvw ]	Dec 23 21:15
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 23 21:27
iophk	http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/william-morris-endeavor-hires-former-microsoft-finance-chief/	Dec 23 21:53
TechrightsBot-tr	Couldn't resolve host 'http:' ( status 0 @ http:////www-nc.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/william-morris-endeavor-hires-former-microsoft-finance-chief/?=_r=6& )	Dec 23 21:53
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Sosumi	I'be been reading a couple of the new mac pro reviews	Dec 23 23:31
Sosumi	to the point I'm starting to think that crapple paid those reviewer to give it a good score	Dec 23 23:31
Sosumi	hey an already crippled computer that you can't change any component	Dec 23 23:32
Sosumi	but you can add that new gpu through thunderbolt!	Dec 23 23:33
Sosumi	provided there is a driver and the box for the gpu costs as much as the gpu itself	Dec 23 23:33
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Sosumi	and ofc thunderbolt doesn't have the same bandwidth of pcie, etc	Dec 23 23:34
Sosumi	and I'm pointing at the verge review, pcmag...	Dec 23 23:35
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icecrawler	hello	Dec 24 03:38
icecrawler	where are the machines	Dec 24 03:40
icecrawler	hey fewt mother fucker	Dec 24 03:41
icecrawler	when is fuduntu getting an updated kernel you son of a bitch?	Dec 24 03:42
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icecrawler	the nvidia is outdated tooo	Dec 24 03:44
schestowitz_bed2	watch the language please	Dec 24 03:47
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icecrawler	its english	Dec 24 03:48
schestowitz	it's rude	Dec 24 03:49
icecrawler	it could be considered rude if you're a wanker who ain't appreciate colourful metaphore	Dec 24 03:52
icecrawler	i talk like dis to fewt all the time my main man	Dec 24 03:52
icecrawler	schestowitz, you is Roy?	Dec 24 03:54
icecrawler	fewt told me you were one brill motherfucker	Dec 24 03:55
icecrawler	sticking it to the microsoft system machine	Dec 24 03:55
icecrawler	he said you killed novell	Dec 24 03:55
icecrawler	when he gave me this computer machine he told me if i had problems that i should log into mirc and chat with him on freenood	Dec 24 04:06
icecrawler	but roy its funny how when novell bought suse you threw a chair like ballmar	Dec 24 04:06
icecrawler	i know it was in a parody but thats amazing bro	Dec 24 04:06
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icecrawler	tell that motherfucker ballmar and his sweatstains to back off and get your own sangwich	Dec 24 04:07
schestowitz	Microsoft is no longer a big threat as it was when Novell signed the deal	Dec 24 04:11
schestowitz	In 2006 and 2007 Microsoft was more dangerous, now there are bigger issues. Android has since then crushed some common FUD, too.	Dec 24 04:12
icecrawler	yeah the surface machines are so expensive	Dec 24 04:13
icecrawler	i got an android machine its mips and it was like 50 beans	Dec 24 04:13
icecrawler	it does like 1080p and i hooked it up to the tv machine and revolution os never looked so good	Dec 24 04:15
schestowitz	Microsoft is the one begging for dual-boot now (on Linux/Android-only machines)	Dec 24 04:16
icecrawler	dual boot for phone machines?	Dec 24 04:17
icecrawler	those mother fuckers	Dec 24 04:17
icecrawler	i cant seem to grasp dis idea of using two operating system machines on one phone	Dec 24 04:18
schestowitz	it's standard practice	Dec 24 04:19
schestowitz	But I was referring to tablets and Chromebooks - that type of thing	Dec 24 04:19
schestowitz	on phones they might wish to triple boot	Dec 24 04:20
icecrawler	what	Dec 24 04:20
schestowitz	there are at least 2 OSes on almost every phone	Dec 24 04:20
icecrawler	why would anyone want to do that retarded shit? one os is enuff	Dec 24 04:21
schestowitz	one if there to take over the other, but it's marketed for other purposes	Dec 24 04:21
schestowitz	!google second OS phone nsa listening device	Dec 24 04:21
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Cell Phone Manufacturers Offer Carefully Worded Denials To ... \| http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20131112/10434625217/cell-phone-manufacturers-offer-carefully-worded-denials-to-question-whether-nsa-can-track-powered-down-cell-phones.shtml	Dec 24 04:21
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - The Second Operating System Hiding In Every Mobile Phone ... \| http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0237214/the-second-operating-system-hiding-in-every-mobile-phone	Dec 24 04:21
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - The SINGLE Most Important Step to Protect Yourself from ... \| http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/the-single-most-important-step-to-protect-yourself-from-government-spying.html	Dec 24 04:21
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - The second operating system hiding in every mobile phone - OSNews \| http://www.osnews.com/story/27416	Dec 24 04:21
icecrawler	i know theres the jewOS recording machine	Dec 24 04:21
icecrawler	theres the firmware bios system	Dec 24 04:21
icecrawler	fewt was telling me he has tinfoil in his cell phone holster to stop tracking	Dec 24 04:22
icecrawler	that dumb son of a bitch didnt fucking remember that it'll stop his calls too	Dec 24 04:23
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage	Dec 24 04:23
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| Faraday cage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g90kh ]	Dec 24 04:23
schestowitz	tinfoil got caught up in stereotypes	Dec 24 04:23
schestowitz	he can still make calls	Dec 24 04:24
schestowitz	but wants to disable the phone's tracking functionality without taking out the batteries, I assume	Dec 24 04:24
schestowitz	of course it might also prevent him from /receiving/ calls	Dec 24 04:24
icecrawler	yeah when its not in the holster	Dec 24 04:24
icecrawler	every time he went to test the incoming he would pull the god damn phone out and i'd call and it would ring	Dec 24 04:25
schestowitz	why would he be an NSA "target"	Dec 24 04:25
icecrawler	he could place calls too	Dec 24 04:25
schestowitz	he makes a distro derivative of Ubuntu, it's not as though he strips back doors off it	Dec 24 04:25
icecrawler	yeah it just stopped him from receiving calls when it was in the holster	Dec 24 04:25
icecrawler	its not just fuduntu though its what he says in real life	Dec 24 04:26
schestowitz	I can see why Mark S would be a "target" (meaning they identify him as dangerous because he has power) and GCHQ would keep close eye on everything he does, who he speaks to, what s/w he promotes, etc.	Dec 24 04:26
icecrawler	hes real bro, talks some serious shit that the gov't is scared of man	Dec 24 04:26
schestowitz	So do I, so I just don't carry a phone, my wife does	Dec 24 04:27
schestowitz	face-to-face chats with interesting people cannot be recorded	Dec 24 04:27
schestowitz	NSA/GCHQ hate the AFK personalities, they can't even name the people whom they speak to	Dec 24 04:28
icecrawler	fewt knows some serious people too bro, his friends know alex jones and hes related to Bill Cooper who got killed by police	Dec 24 04:28
icecrawler	fewt was over at my crib buying gold when he gave me this computer machine with fuduntu	Dec 24 04:29
icecrawler	do you buy iodized silver?	Dec 24 04:29
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schestowitz	No, I don't believe in the value of high-cost commodities	Dec 24 04:30
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schestowitz	For now, the British govt. says it can insure savings of up to 86k per person	Dec 24 04:30
schestowitz	I don't exceed that amount and the assurance seems safe enough that tolerating interest less than inflation rare is possible	Dec 24 04:31
icecrawler	what about colloidal silver? its pretty fucking bomb for healing bro	Dec 24 04:31
schestowitz	where would you collect metals?	Dec 24 04:31
schestowitz	Many people store it at banks	Dec 24 04:32
icecrawler	you get cancer and shit, you take that for a little while with some vinager and onions	Dec 24 04:32
icecrawler	mmmmmmm mmmmm, cancer gone	Dec 24 04:32
schestowitz	so they have the very same issues savers have, it can be used to back up for borrowers, you could do a run on the bank by demanding back metals	Dec 24 04:32
icecrawler	metal is kind of heavy too bro	Dec 24 04:32
schestowitz	ok, now I just think you're making fun	Dec 24 04:33
icecrawler	i sold this big ass brick to this motherfucker and it dropped it on my toes	Dec 24 04:33
icecrawler	it hurt like a bitch	Dec 24 04:33
schestowitz	or maybe taking that alcoholic nog a day too early	Dec 24 04:33
icecrawler	you ever take hits of nitrogen?	Dec 24 04:33
icecrawler	that shit will get you fucked up and its not illegal	Dec 24 04:35
schestowitz	killing oneself is not illegal, yet it's not recommended, either	Dec 24 04:36
schestowitz	laws of nature are not "laws" in the same way that "rules" of some people in positions of power are	Dec 24 04:37
icecrawler	i got to parties with a tire full of nitrogen and people take hits and we have these wild sex orgies where woman take off their shirts and show their sexual organs	Dec 24 04:40
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schestowitz	I think you're just trying to discredit the platform by interjecting insults and potentially offensive messages	Dec 24 04:56
icecrawler	discredit what platform	Dec 24 04:57
icecrawler	techrights stance that 9/11 was an inside job and that the thermite plasma used by CIA operative Osama Bin Laden was created in the US Gov't's own Studio54	Dec 24 04:59
icecrawler	using colourful metaphores with my main man fewt the son of a bitch understands is nothing compared to the weird shit going on here normally	Dec 24 05:00
schestowitz	that's not the site's stance at all, you're just trolling now	Dec 24 05:00
icecrawler	fewt warned me about idling here when hes not around	Dec 24 05:00
schestowitz	lates	Dec 24 05:00
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icecrawler	see ya later naziwitz the jew hater	Dec 24 05:16
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schestowitz	troll in LKML	Dec 24 07:18
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTI	Dec 24 07:18
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Linux Developers Asked To Distance Themselves From RMS [ http://ur1.ca/g9170 ]	Dec 24 07:18
schestowitz	Not a developer at al	Dec 24 07:18
schestowitz	just another person among many who tries to demonise RMS	Dec 24 07:18
schestowitz	Slow news day at Phoronix	Dec 24 07:19
schestowitz	Citing trolls and calling them "developers" even though there's no record as such	Dec 24 07:19
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Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-23/thyroid-cancers-surge-among-young-fukushima	Dec 24 09:28
TechrightsBot-tr	www.zerohedge.com \| Thyroid Cancers Surge Among Fukushima Youths \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g91x2 ]	Dec 24 09:28
Sosumi	Japan is now the go to for post-apocalyptic tourism	Dec 24 09:28
Sosumi	and they're actually making sure that it is that way	Dec 24 09:29
Sosumi	burning radioactive debris and dumping some of it in tokyo bay	Dec 24 09:29
Sosumi	also, sony using LLVM/clang on the ps4	Dec 24 09:32
Sosumi	but if you think that the ps4 or in this case, sony, is friendly to the ideals of free software, you're mistaken	Dec 24 09:33
iophk	Sony made their position clear when they revoked Linux use from the PS3.	Dec 24 09:34
Sosumi	sony even went to lenghts of crippling the PS4 audio cd functionality in order to pigeon hole ppl into their "music anywhere" "cloud" service	Dec 24 09:34
Sosumi	YES!	Dec 24 09:34
Sosumi	they also kind of killed some easy profit for fixxtars	Dec 24 09:35
Sosumi	and I doubt you'll find any decent music on their service	Dec 24 09:36
Sosumi	what? justin beaver? bouncee? cyley mirus? the singing walrus?	Dec 24 09:37
roy_	iophk:	Dec 24 09:52
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> troll in LKML	Dec 24 09:52
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTI	Dec 24 09:52
roy_	[07:18] <TechrightsBot-tr> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Linux Developers Asked To Distance Themselves From RMS [ http://ur1.ca/g9170 ]	Dec 24 09:52
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> Not a developer at al	Dec 24 09:52
roy_	[07:18] <schestowitz> just another person among many who tries to demonise RMS	Dec 24 09:52
roy_	[07:19] <schestowitz> Slow news day at Phoronix	Dec 24 09:52
roy_	See the comments	Dec 24 09:52
roy_	popcorn company :-)	Dec 24 09:52
roy_	I finally download about a gig of videos with RMS just now, ready for editing soon	Dec 24 09:53
roy_	After I do the tuxmachines and IRC log tasks	Dec 24 09:53
roy_	iophk: Sony are not the worst on the planet	Dec 24 10:15
roy_	they use a lot of Linux, still, and there's no signn og them paying MSFT for it	Dec 24 10:15
roy_	However, they sue other companies over Android	Dec 24 10:16
iophk	Yeah, it's mixed.	Dec 24 10:16
roy_	Bashing Son't Linux products is an exercise in futility, IMHO	Dec 24 10:16
iophk	Not paying M$ is a good sign.	Dec 24 10:16
iophk	Not bashing, AFAIK	Dec 24 10:16
roy_	conflicts with others	Dec 24 10:16
roy_	I think that Sony still like UNIX in the engineering side	Dec 24 10:16
iophk	But the revoking of Linux use on the PS3 was a dirty trick.	Dec 24 10:16
roy_	But they left Linux due to fear of broken 'precious' locks	Dec 24 10:17
roy_	I am not sure I can recall what motivated Sony at the time	Dec 24 10:17
iophk	I'm not sure they said publicly.	Dec 24 10:17
iophk	The PS3 was getting popular for clusters.	Dec 24 10:17
roy_	I think many developers got very close to unlocking the full potential of the h/w such that you wouldn't rent any games, just take the razor handle	Dec 24 10:18
iophk	Medicing, physics, military and others were all buying them up.	Dec 24 10:18
roy_	Maybe it was subsidised, sold at a loss to 'sell' (rent) binaries	Dec 24 10:18
iophk	Possible.	Dec 24 10:19
roy_	and if millions were sold (given) without any rentals, then that makes it harder for Sony to keep the cost down (subsidies)	Dec 24 10:19
iophk	That was one possible explanation, but no word direct from Sony on that.	Dec 24 10:19
roy_	Sony is Japanese	Dec 24 10:19
roy_	They don't talk muchj	Dec 24 10:19
roy_	Not extrovert types, not even the companies	Dec 24 10:19
roy_	the most they expose is some girls grouching over devices and Japanese cars	Dec 24 10:20
roy_	It's Microsoft that goes over the limits by bribing, doing mock funerals, etc.	Dec 24 10:20
roy_	Sony must have known that telling the true reason would be worse thanns aaying nothihg at all	Dec 24 10:21
iophk	(The Phoronix article is disturbing. They should not have given a platform for what is clearly a troll. What might have been worthy of an article would be tracing the troll back to M$ via money or whatever.)	Dec 24 10:21
roy_	yeah	Dec 24 10:21
roy_	My wife was next to me showing it and asking, should I post this?	Dec 24 10:21
roy_	Then i looked at the source	Dec 24 10:21
roy_	Worrying it was Torvalds	Dec 24 10:21
roy_	But it was some name I never heard of	Dec 24 10:21
roy_	See the Phoronix comments	Dec 24 10:22
iophk	No one has heard of him apparently.	Dec 24 10:22
iophk	It is a classic troll.	Dec 24 10:22
roy_	Larabel does not hate the FSF, but he's bi huge fan either	Dec 24 10:22
roy_	So borrowing a troll helps, esp. when it's such a slow news day and Phoronix is his main/only source of income	Dec 24 10:22
roy_	He's not guaranteed flat income, so December is harder	Dec 24 10:22
roy_	The troll was also quite rude, look at the language	Dec 24 10:22
iophk	It lowers Phoronix about 2 notches, at least, in my eyes.	Dec 24 10:23
roy_	David Trollinger and Van Hoof were at least a little police, but deceptive	Dec 24 10:23
roy_	I will tell him, I'm always in his IRC channe	Dec 24 10:23
iophk	I've only looked at the phoronix article not the email it presumably links to	Dec 24 10:23
iophk	An investigation into the troll's funding would be interesting.	Dec 24 10:24
roy_	odd... he's not in his IRC channel	Dec 24 10:24
iophk	There's probably a tie to M$, not directly but via a contractor.	Dec 24 10:24
roy_	He has always been there when I checked	Dec 24 10:24
roy_	I checked the nicklist to see if he uses another name	Dec 24 10:24
roy_	I will tweet him instead	Dec 24 10:24
roy_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/415428202505334784	Dec 24 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz: .@michaellarabel I understand it's a slow news day, but giving a platform to typical anti-RMS troll is lowering the status of #phoronix IMHO	Dec 24 10:26
roy_	I have just unloaded a gigabyte of new RMS videos. I will edit them very soon and release in 2014. Rare questions, interesting answers.	Dec 24 10:27
iophk	Cool.	Dec 24 10:28
iophk	Seems last updated Dec 2012: http://perens.com/business/kiloboot	Dec 24 10:28
TechrightsBot-tr	perens.com \| Kiloboot: Bruce Perens' Latest Start-Up Company.	Dec 24 10:28
roy_	He has not got much impact anymore	Dec 24 10:28
iophk	Not really. He's doing other things.	Dec 24 10:29
roy_	I reckon he focuses on his son Stanley and works for some company or entity that's working quietly with gov. dept. (avoiding unanted attention by the Proprietary Cult)	Dec 24 10:29
roy_	I can't even talk about what I do at work for this reason	Dec 24 10:29
roy_	Last night Drupal, GNU/Linux, Icinga, Puppet, and JBOSS	Dec 24 10:30
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roy_	https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/415440248026312705/photo/1	Dec 24 11:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@EllieAsksWhy: @schestowitz I'd like a reprieve from religious proselytizing served by Google Ads http://t.co/uxhIcDtdCE	Dec 24 11:17
TechrightsBot-tr	@EllieAsksWhy: @schestowitz I'd like a reprieve from religious proselytizing served by Google Ads http://t.co/uxhIcDtdCE	Dec 24 11:17
roy_	AdBlock would help; I had 3 hours wasted by a couple of "Elders" two months ago.	Dec 24 11:18
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roy_	http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/12/rss/authors/231116?page=7	Dec 24 11:44
TechrightsBot-tr	www.motherjones.com \| Mojo - December 2013 \| Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/g92ng ]	Dec 24 11:44
iophk	http://falkvinge.net/2013/12/24/reminder-2-hunt-for-file-sharers-violate-fundamental-human-rights-says-european-court-of-human-rights/	Dec 24 12:00
TechrightsBot-tr	falkvinge.net \| Reminder 2: Hunt For File-Sharers Violates Fundamental Human Rights (Says The European Court Of Human Rights) - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/g92qb ]	Dec 24 12:00
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 24 13:22
roy_	j0	Dec 24 13:30
iophk	http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/edward-snowden-after-months-of-nsa-revelations-says-his-missions-accomplished/2013/12/23/49fc36de-6c1c-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html	Dec 24 13:31
TechrightsBot-tr	www.washingtonpost.com \| Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/g92un ]	Dec 24 13:31
roy_	Snowden did well	Dec 24 13:45
roy_	Stallman is a big fan	Dec 24 13:45
roy_	Also of Assange, whom he met before he met me in the UK	Dec 24 13:45
roy_	In his latest talk RMS asks the audience for three cheers to Snowden	Dec 24 13:45
roy_	http://techrights.org/2013/12/24/conflating-us-with-proprietary/	Dec 24 13:45
TechrightsBot-tr	techrights.org \| Despite US Roots, Red Hat Appears to Have Benefited From NSA Scandals \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g9366 ]	Dec 24 13:45
oiaohm	Really in a lot of ways Snowden objective is got.	Dec 24 13:46
oiaohm	Distrust in the USA system.	Dec 24 13:46
oiaohm	Was exactly waht Snowden was after.	Dec 24 13:46
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roy_	iophk: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/12/24/1348231/linuxdevices-content-returns-to-the-web	Dec 24 14:08
TechrightsBot-tr	linux.slashdot.org \| LinuxDevices Content Returns To the Web - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g9395 ]	Dec 24 14:08
roy_	we did it!	Dec 24 14:08
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iophk	in part	Dec 24 14:23
iophk	It's great news.	Dec 24 14:23
iophk	Too many useful sites have been disappearing.	Dec 24 14:23
iophk	It's great that one has been kept around.	Dec 24 14:23
iophk	Embedded devices are becoming all more important so eventually the pages will be of cultural and historical use.	Dec 24 14:24
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oiaohm	iophk: sections were in archive.org	Dec 24 14:37
iophk	Yes but that's a last resort.	Dec 24 14:38
oiaohm	iophk: at least due to archive.org we will have some internet history of the long since faded.	Dec 24 14:38
iophk	Yes, some. Not all made it in.	Dec 24 14:38
iophk	Some got removed.	Dec 24 14:38
iophk	I'm not sure of the process when a domain changes owners.	Dec 24 14:38
oiaohm	Really it would have been better if linuxdevices archive was just submited to achive.org for long term storage.	Dec 24 14:38
iophk	I think that archive.org will retroactively remove sites if the new owner says to.	Dec 24 14:39
roy_	[14:24] <iophk> Embedded devices are becoming all more important so eventually the pages will be of cultural and historical use.	Dec 24 14:39
oiaohm	And other national achives.	Dec 24 14:39
roy_	It wasn't just embedded	Dec 24 14:39
iophk	Even if the content is 100% different.	Dec 24 14:39
roy_	It has covered desktop too sometimes	Dec 24 14:39
roy_	fancy mailing SJVN regarding DesktopLinux.com?	Dec 24 14:39
iophk	Not just embedded, but that is probably the biggest movement ...	Dec 24 14:39
roy_	Maybe he can request his archive of articles from them as well	Dec 24 14:39
iophk	Linux is even in TVs now.	Dec 24 14:39
roy_	he already has his own domain	Dec 24 14:39
oiaohm	iophk: archive.org might remove a record from straight public view but they don't fully delete it.	Dec 24 14:40
iophk	Good.	Dec 24 14:40
iophk	That's a relief. So it might be available again someday should times or laws change.	Dec 24 14:40
roy_	http://microsoft-watch.com/ was ZIff	Dec 24 14:40
roy_	It's not accessible, maybe wrong domain?	Dec 24 14:40
TechrightsBot-tr	Couldn't resolve host 'microsoft-watch.com' ( status 0 @ http://microsoft-watch.com/ )	Dec 24 14:40
roy_	Mary Jo and MS Nick (now in ./)	Dec 24 14:41
roy_	And Joe Wilcox	Dec 24 14:41
roy_	http://microsoftwatch.com/ redirects to microsoft.com	Dec 24 14:41
TechrightsBot-tr	www.microsoft.com \| Microsoft US \| Devices and Services	Dec 24 14:41
roy_	oddly enough	Dec 24 14:41
iophk	Ironically I guess. Though at the end it was more of a fan site.	Dec 24 14:41
roy_	https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=Mp25UtyjOLGS0QXDh4CwDQ#q=microsoft+watch	Dec 24 14:42
TechrightsBot-tr	www.google.co.uk \| Google [ http://ur1.ca/g93dv ]	Dec 24 14:42
roy_	Nothing there called Microsoft Watch	Dec 24 14:42
roy_	So Microsoft's MoMouths have had their work buried	Dec 24 14:42
iophk	not in Startpage either	Dec 24 14:42
iophk	Memory hole	Dec 24 14:42
roy_	After Rick and I worked to get his article it might motivate other writers to approach quinstreet	Dec 24 14:42
iophk	How much negotiation was there to get Quinnstreet to come around?	Dec 24 14:43
iophk	*needed	Dec 24 14:43
roy_	halfa year of nagging	Dec 24 14:44
roy_	and posting criticism of them in TR	Dec 24 14:44
roy_	Rick could not do it	Dec 24 14:44
roy_	As that would not be productive and constructive	Dec 24 14:44
iophk	right	Dec 24 14:44
roy_	So he referred to me as "the FOSS community"	Dec 24 14:44
iophk	:)	Dec 24 14:44
roy_	it seems to have worked, but only after a lot of nagging	Dec 24 14:45
roy_	I think they get an inbound link from all 14,000 URLs now	Dec 24 14:45
roy_	Googlejuice	Dec 24 14:45
roy_	and they don't need to pay for hosting, only pass some piles of data	Dec 24 14:45
iophk	Corporate beauracracies are big and slow, even if they are cooperative, which they usually aren't (out of basic corporate principle)	Dec 24 14:45
roy_	too busy makin' money	Dec 24 14:46
iophk	That linking sounds like a good deal for them.	Dec 24 14:46
roy_	it's one way to 'market' the move to a MARKETING company	Dec 24 14:46
iophk	All to often they believe in zero-sum-game and can't envision any kind of win-win scenario.	Dec 24 14:48
iophk	It comes out as an advantage for them to restore the archive and let Rick run it.	Dec 24 14:51
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roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445483	Dec 24 15:06
TechrightsBot-tr	@victorhck@joindiaspora.com: [![Image](http://ep01.epimg.net/internacional/imagenes/2013/12/24/actualidad/1387873660_129481_1387874448_noticia_normal.jpg)](http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/12/24/actualidad/1387873660_129481.html)<br>Turing, condenado por gay, recibe el perdón real 60 años después de su muerte <br>[http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/12/24/actualidad/1387873660_129481.html](http://internaci	Dec 24 15:06
TechrightsBot-tr	-> internacional.elpais.com \| Turing, condenado por gay, recibe el perdón real 60 años después de su muerte \| Internacional \| EL PAÍS [ http://ur1.ca/g93iu ]	Dec 24 15:06
roy_	GCHQ desperate for some positive PR... having been shown to be criminal and corrupt. And now there's a propaganda film coming about Turing, to help recruitment at GCHQ. Starring in that film? Same 'star' as in the anti-Wikileaks film.	Dec 24 15:06
iophk	http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-edward-snowden-was-the-person-of-the-year/2013/12/23/34551caa-6c13-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html	Dec 24 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr	www.washingtonpost.com \| Eugene Robinson: Edward Snowden was the person of the year - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/g93m9 ]	Dec 24 15:30
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msb_	The primary motive of U.S. foreign policy is the destruction of socialismeverywhere in the world, in order to increase the profits of the ultra-wealthypsychopaths who control the U.S. government. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_HolocaustSocialist Stallman being the leader of the very successful and expanding GNU/Linux/FOSS/FSF/GPLmovement has the side-effect of educating people about the benefits of sharing, cooperation,and socialism	Dec 24 15:39
TechrightsBot-tr	cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g93n2 ]	Dec 24 15:39
msb_	So the Axis-of-Evil/US-UK-Israel/NWO/World-Fascism has a motive for trying to separate RMS from GNU-Linux-FOSS, as much as MS does. Thus the attack on RMSreported in Phoronix could be from the CIA, etc. The US govt has announced explicitly that it is employing anonymous posters in Net forums to attack policies it doesn't like.	Dec 24 15:39
iophk	Or from M$ or both...	Dec 24 15:39
msb_	Opps, should have been: "...http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust Socialist Stallman..."	Dec 24 15:43
TechrightsBot-tr	cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ]	Dec 24 15:43
MinceR	where's the place of the command economy in all this?	Dec 24 15:44
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msb_	I'd say that production and prices should be governed by a free market (subject to not doing harm), but that businesses should be controlled democratically by their workers and the profits shared among them according to hours worked.	Dec 24 15:48
iophk	Rewarding the inefficient? ;)	Dec 24 15:49
msb_	Grossly inefficient workers would be fired by democratic worker control.	Dec 24 15:50
MinceR	ic	Dec 24 15:51
_Goblin	So it would be a popularity contest where a hopeless worker who is liked by all would keep their job...cracking system you've got there.	Dec 24 15:51
_Goblin	"aw....he might be crap but he has a wife and two kids, lets keep him on"	Dec 24 15:52
msb_	A "hopeless worker" would decrease profits and thus lower the income of all workers, so would not be "popular".	Dec 24 15:52
_Goblin	I'm not even going to bother......thank you MSB, another award winning idea.	Dec 24 15:52
_Goblin	and just a thought....whilst all this decision making is going on by the "workers"....who is going to do any actual work? - Again, thats only a thought MSB....I don't need another one of you "ideas"	Dec 24 15:54
msb_	Also, control of the government would be strictly one-person-one-vote, no lobbying by businesses, no corporations-as-persons, etc.	Dec 24 15:54
MinceR	The Patrician is the Man, he has the Vote. :>	Dec 24 15:56
msb_	Tim the Goblin stalks and attacks me here and in COLA. His attacks always have a personal slant.	Dec 24 15:56
_Goblin	? I was responding.... Look who is the OP here MSB...who's stalking?	Dec 24 15:57
_Goblin	Liar as well as nut?	Dec 24 15:57
msb_	QED	Dec 24 15:57
_Goblin	Tell you what MSB...you talk your paranoia and nonsense to another channel where I'm not the OP, then lets see if I follow.	Dec 24 15:58
_Goblin	I can assure you I wouldn't...but go ahead and try	Dec 24 15:58
_Goblin	As for COLA. When was the last time you posted? I've been there months haven't seen you there.	Dec 24 15:59
msb_	But he stalked, attacked, and sneered at me when I was posting in COLA.	Dec 24 16:00
_Goblin	I was there before you...and yes I sneared....youre ideas are offensive and stupid.	Dec 24 16:00
_Goblin	so its just COLA now?	Dec 24 16:01
_Goblin	not here?	Dec 24 16:01
_Goblin	everyone laughed at you in COLA, including the Linux/free software advocates...do you need reminding MSB?	Dec 24 16:01
_Goblin	infact you and Snit are the two people who manage to unite opinion between the proprietary & free software crowds in comp.os.linux.advocacy	Dec 24 16:03
msb_	http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/Cricketb.mp3	Dec 24 16:17
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TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Microsoft SIlverlight Proposed For Ubuntu 14.04 LTS [ http://ur1.ca/g93yl ]	Dec 24 16:58
DaemonFC	NPAPI is still supported in Chrome. They'll probably get rid of it eventually, for the same reason Microsoft did.	Dec 24 17:03
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iophk	https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2013/12/if-snowden-returned-us-trial-all-whistleblower-evidence-would-likely-be-inadmissible	Dec 24 17:22
TechrightsBot-tr	pressfreedomfoundation.org \| If Snowden Returned to US For Trial, All Whistleblower Evidence Would Likely Be Inadmissible \| Freedom of the Press Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/g941u ]	Dec 24 17:22
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445454	Dec 24 17:54
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: precision...	Dec 24 17:54
schestowitz__	"true"	Dec 24 17:55
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445632	Dec 24 17:55
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Despite US Roots, Red Hat Appears to Have Benefited From NSA Scandals	Dec 24 17:55
schestowitz__	"Clear and if you are the headman from a company or trust, a rway to get out of this play ...."	Dec 24 17:55
TechrightsBot-tr	-> techrights.org \| Despite US Roots, Red Hat Appears to Have Benefited From NSA Scandals \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g9366 ]	Dec 24 17:55
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445277	Dec 24 17:55
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If Snowden returned to US for trial, could court admit any NSA leak evidence?	Dec 24 17:55
TechrightsBot-tr	-> boingboing.net \| If Snowden returned to US for trial, could court admit any NSA leak evidence? - Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/g947j ]	Dec 24 17:55
schestowitz__	"Who is Michael Hastings?"	Dec 24 17:56
schestowitz__	Died in bizarre accident before publishing a major piece about the CIA	Dec 24 17:56
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3442778	Dec 24 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This Christmas don't settle for a listening device; return to store, exchange for something like a tablet http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170874-the-secret-second-operating-system-that-could-make-every-mobile-phone-insecure	Dec 24 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.extremetech.com \| The secret second operating system that could make every mobile phone insecure \| ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/g8wag ]	Dec 24 17:57
schestowitz__	"@Jim R: Point on that. There's always cache-and-burst surveillance. Sigh. I guess I'm going back to a pair of tin cans and a string."	Dec 24 17:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3445870	Dec 24 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The site "Microsoft Watch" (pro-Microsoft fan site) died with the acquisition which the #linux site survived http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/12/24/1348231/linuxdevices-content-returns-to-the-web	Dec 24 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr	-> beta.slashdot.org \| LinuxDevices Content Returns To the Web - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g947u ]	Dec 24 17:57
schestowitz__	"Interesting. QuinStreet is one of those massive "content-farm" sites, which I suspect may be getting negatively affected by some recent Google actions against crap content."	Dec 24 17:57
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 24 19:43
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 24 20:41
iophk	hi	Dec 24 20:45
sebsebseb	iophk: he really doesn't want Magiea or FEdora stuff etc at the event	Dec 24 20:46
sebsebseb	it seems	Dec 24 20:46
iophk	It would make good swag	Dec 24 20:47
sebsebseb	indeed	Dec 24 20:47
sebsebseb	iophk: I may be missing the next meeting as well, because of smething ese	Dec 24 20:47
sebsebseb	iophk: oh and I am quite happy about something unrelated at the moment to, but don't want to talk about that in here	Dec 24 20:48
sebsebseb	iophk: and I am about to eat something rather nice :d	Dec 24 20:48
iophk	excellent^2	Dec 24 20:49
sebsebseb	thingey in the air and 2, what does that mean?	Dec 24 20:49
iophk	squared	Dec 24 20:49
sebsebseb	like saying excellent to both ?	Dec 24 20:49
iophk	yep	Dec 24 20:49
sebsebseb	iophk: it's their event really now	Dec 24 20:51
sebsebseb	,but I'll still do the feedback form	Dec 24 20:51
sebsebseb	and	Dec 24 20:51
iophk	find some collaborators and do a real installfest...	Dec 24 20:52
sebsebseb	try and get some stuff for Ubuntu and Mint, and do a LIBRE oFFIC hand out, and get something in for Mozilla I gues	Dec 24 20:52
sebsebseb	iophk: there isn't really anyone	Dec 24 20:52
sebsebseb	or not from that paticular group	Dec 24 20:52
iophk	no, not from that group	Dec 24 20:52
sebsebseb	iophk: anyway I may have something soon to really nicely take my mind off stuff like that more, but not sure yet :d	Dec 24 20:52
sebsebseb	iophk: I think I know why not many go to hte metings group that group now as well, beause of smething else	Dec 24 20:53
iophk	too bad	Dec 24 20:53
sebsebseb	there's this other thing	Dec 24 20:54
sebsebseb	and yeah they got quite a lot of people really it seems	Dec 24 20:54
sebsebseb	iophk: I think it's good to have other interests to, that aren't all tech related in life as well :)	Dec 24 20:55
sebsebseb	iophk: computers don't really bring true happyness, but may be able to use them to find ture happyness	Dec 24 20:57
iophk	possibly	Dec 24 20:57
sebsebseb	and some of these computer related interests can get kind of sad/depressive at times, depends though	Dec 24 20:58
sebsebseb	iophk: computers can be used as a tool, to help with other parts of ones ife!	Dec 24 21:00
iophk	yes they are just tools	Dec 24 21:01
sebsebseb	tools that can run awesome software though	Dec 24 21:01
sebsebseb	Linux, GNOME 3 etc :d	Dec 24 21:01
sebsebseb	software that can be life changing as well	Dec 24 21:01
sebsebseb	be more than just software	Dec 24 21:01
iophk	software is the tool at this point	Dec 24 21:02
sebsebseb	iophk: yeah opensource/freesoftware is a whole ecocosytem of stuff, and it can be so much more than just software	Dec 24 21:02
sebsebseb	or can result in quit a few things as a result, depending on person etc	Dec 24 21:02
sebsebseb	and their intereset when it come to that, what they been doing etc	Dec 24 21:02
sebsebseb	,but software itself, probably won't realy bring someone true happyness	Dec 24 21:03
sebsebseb	,but using the software etc, to find someone, that can for example, wel yeah that can be done	Dec 24 21:03
sebsebseb	using the software and Internet in this case	Dec 24 21:03
sebsebseb	and can get peope into other things, depending on what hapepns etc as well	Dec 24 21:04
sebsebseb	iophk: ,but I don't know about you, but I don't really ike sitting for hours and hours on the computer now	Dec 24 21:04
sebsebseb	not doing much at all really	Dec 24 21:04
iophk	work more with people then	Dec 24 21:04
sebsebseb	well if music is on that's a bit diffenret	Dec 24 21:05
sebsebseb	iophk: yeah I am meeting more peple etc now	Dec 24 21:05
sebsebseb	if that's what you mean	Dec 24 21:05
sebsebseb	in perosn	Dec 24 21:05
sebsebseb	and I mainly use my computer as a communiaiont device really, and been like that for many years	Dec 24 21:05
sebsebseb	my as in whatever computer using at the time	Dec 24 21:06
sebsebseb	iophk: ,but I can't be ike schestowitz__ for example and blog about loads of potentail threats to software freedom and micro blog as well etc	Dec 24 21:06
sebsebseb	altough I guess most of us can't be quite like him when it come to that kindof thing ayway, since other stuff in life etc you know	Dec 24 21:07
sebsebseb	and I used to read loads of LInux related articles etc	Dec 24 21:07
sebsebseb	years ago, but I hardly do that anymore now, onlne ones I mean and so on. I guess things change as peple get older here and there though	Dec 24 21:08
sebsebseb	iophk: computer interests didn't quite get me to where I wanted to be in lie basically, or so it seems	Dec 24 21:08
sebsebseb	ok I should go and eat and that really	Dec 24 21:08
*sebsebseb goes afk		Dec 24 21:09
sebsebseb	iophk: altough computer interests did link to other things that doig now, some of them, and such, good stuff	Dec 24 21:09
iophk	like eating... :)	Dec 24 21:09
sebsebseb	in some ways things happended as a result, that has made me more confident as aperson andsuch	Dec 24 21:10
sebsebseb	,but yeah I'll go afknow	Dec 24 21:10
msb_	By enabling people all over the planet to communicate and share their ideas at low cost, computers, free software, and the Internet are greatly helping people to meet, find common purposes, and realize that those in other countries are really not so different from ourselves, thus dissolving the alienation that the NWO rulers use to keep us separated.	Dec 24 21:33
msb_	A good example is this IRC channel!	Dec 24 21:34
msb_	Also, the principle of the GPL, and "Information wants to be free", and "Human knowledge belongs to the World", and even Bittorrent, is spreading to other fields such as the publication of scientific research, where people are starting to put their papers up on the Web for everyone to download and read, instead of journals charging people $50 to get a copy.	Dec 24 21:37
msb_	I think that all this, including especially the international cooperation in the creation of free software, is the beginning of the World Community -- worldwide sharing and cooperation, which is the exact opposite of the New World Order (world fascism).	Dec 24 21:40
msb_	I think we're at a wonderful moment in human history. A couple of months ago, Obama, the leader of the NWO, was thwarted in his effort to destroy Syria (as he'd done to Libya) by using Al-Qaeda, because his plot was exposed on the Net. And a couple of days ago, the greatest advance in life extension was published, and the research article was immediately posted for free access on the Net.	Dec 24 21:54
msb_	The Internet is the most powerful means of long-range, wide-spread communication that our species has ever had. "Communicate" doesn't just mean to talk to each other. "Comm" means "together", and "uni" means "one". Coming together as one!	Dec 24 22:04
MinceR	that's what she said.	Dec 24 22:04
msb_	Brava!	Dec 24 22:07
MinceR	:)	Dec 24 22:08
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/stream#	Dec 24 22:08
TechrightsBot-tr	joindiaspora.com \| Diaspora* / Sign in	Dec 24 22:08
roy_	https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_2e47bb54edf6cf560a3a.jpg	Dec 24 22:09
msb_	Good one, Roy! That's what happens when government, which is designed to protect people from psychopaths, is _taken over_ by big psychopaths and used by them.	Dec 24 22:31
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MinceR	gn	Dec 25 02:07
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roy_	Church Across the Road is quite nice	Dec 25 10:49
roy_	nice as in well presented http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Christmas-Eve/Church-Across-the-Road	Dec 25 10:53
TechrightsBot-tr	schestowitz.com \| Church Across the Road [ http://ur1.ca/g98vl ]	Dec 25 10:53
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 25 15:58
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sebsebseb	fewt @deaddistroleader/fewt	Dec 25 17:19
sebsebseb	fewt @deaddistro/leader/fewt	Dec 25 17:20
fewt	yes	Dec 25 17:21
fewt	that is I	Dec 25 17:21
fewt	dead distro leader	Dec 25 17:21
sebsebseb	fewt: yeah GNOME 3 and SystemD :d	Dec 25 17:21
fewt	Windows	Dec 25 17:21
sebsebseb	Mac OS X	Dec 25 17:22
fewt	no, seriously that's what I use now on my laptop	Dec 25 17:22
fewt	but I'm mostly using Android these days	Dec 25 17:22
sebsebseb	oh?	Dec 25 17:22
sebsebseb	fewt: surel there's some other distro similar to what you wanted out there htough	Dec 25 17:22
fewt	nope	Dec 25 17:22
fewt	not worth the fight	Dec 25 17:22
sebsebseb	you could resurrecture Fudunbut for persoanl useage	Dec 25 17:23
fewt	I FOSS on Windows	Dec 25 17:23
fewt	I did that for a while, too much effort	Dec 25 17:23
sebsebseb	fewt: distro wars!	Dec 25 17:23
sebsebseb	interface wars!	Dec 25 17:23
fewt	wars wars!	Dec 25 17:23
sebsebseb	fewt: opinated polotial minded Linux geeks	Dec 25 17:23
sebsebseb	my distro is better than yours, no mine is...	Dec 25 17:24
fewt	I'd rather go outside and live life than muck with software wars	Dec 25 17:24
sebsebseb	fewt: or no we won't have your distro or interface for the event beuase.... oh I got that	Dec 25 17:24
sebsebseb	,because what I have to guess	Dec 25 17:24
sebsebseb	,but probaby have it right with my gueses	Dec 25 17:24
sebsebseb	fewt: yep bingo	Dec 25 17:25
sebsebseb	fewt: I was saying similar stuff to iophk yesterday	Dec 25 17:25
sebsebseb	in here	Dec 25 17:25
fewt	ahh	Dec 25 17:25
sebsebseb	how these interests can end up bein quite sad and stuff	Dec 25 17:25
sebsebseb	and well yeah, and they can effect other parts of life, and not realy lead to true happynes an such	Dec 25 17:25
MinceR	i can see how a windows user would rather go outside and live life than use windows :>	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	may be able to use a computer to find someone that can lead one to true life happyness though	Dec 25 17:26
fewt	MinceR hah	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	MinceR: more like they would rahte just ue A	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	Android	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	than that slow WIndows install	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	a lot of them	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	they don't kjnow why really, but they kow Android is for them the better expereice for their basic stuff, since it just works or pretty much	Dec 25 17:26
sebsebseb	didn't get a slow etc like wINDOWS	Dec 25 17:27
sebsebseb	fewt: yeah do you get sad sitting at a computer a lot now?	Dec 25 17:27
sebsebseb	for hours and hours	Dec 25 17:27
sebsebseb	do you evven do that still?	Dec 25 17:27
fewt	sebsebseb I don't do that really	Dec 25 17:27
sebsebseb	ok, but you used to?	Dec 25 17:27
fewt	only here now because my VPS blew up a bit	Dec 25 17:28
fewt	yes	Dec 25 17:28
fewt	all day all night every day	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	you used to sit on the computer yep	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	many ours per day ad night	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	yep bingo	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	same here	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	,but now not so much	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	not quite as much, ok maybe party since TV, but other things to	Dec 25 17:28
sebsebseb	fewt: I mainly use a computer as a commuiaiotn device	Dec 25 17:29
sebsebseb	anyway	Dec 25 17:29
sebsebseb	and it's always been like that realy, and a muisc player here and there and such to	Dec 25 17:29
sebsebseb	fewt: I don't really do anything that techi most of the time	Dec 25 17:29
sebsebseb	when using a computer	Dec 25 17:29
sebsebseb	if at all realy	Dec 25 17:29
MinceR	i prefer sitting on a chair to sitting on a computer	Dec 25 17:29
fewt	MinceR: see, you've been doing it wrong	Dec 25 17:30
sebsebseb	MinceR: oh your trying to be funny again	Dec 25 17:30
fewt	sitting on the computer is more enjoyable for sebsebseb	Dec 25 17:30
MinceR	ic	Dec 25 17:30
MinceR	i doubt most of these are designed to support a human body	Dec 25 17:30
sebsebseb	sittig on a Windows computer makes fewt realy happy	Dec 25 17:30
sebsebseb	when MinceR sits on a Linux computer, Linux says, your curshing me :d	Dec 25 17:31
sebsebseb	anyway yeah so sititng at a computer	Dec 25 17:31
sebsebseb	I do't like sitting at a computer that much anymore	Dec 25 17:31
sebsebseb	however if it's bne turned into a music player, or a TV that's a bit differnet, but in general	Dec 25 17:31
sebsebseb	a TV, wll watching videos I mean	Dec 25 17:32
sebsebseb	or Iplayer BBC Click for examle	Dec 25 17:32
sebsebseb	example	Dec 25 17:32
sebsebseb	fewt: do computer intersts make you sad now at times	Dec 25 17:33
sebsebseb	?	Dec 25 17:33
fewt	I don't care about computers, so no	Dec 25 17:33
fewt	it's just a thing that does a job.	Dec 25 17:33
fewt	;)	Dec 25 17:33
sebsebseb	fewt: you cared a lot more before	Dec 25 17:34
MinceR	they're things that do many jobs :>	Dec 25 17:34
sebsebseb	hence Fuduntu	Dec 25 17:34
sebsebseb	for examle	Dec 25 17:34
fewt	anyway, merry xmas, happy "just another day", or whatever suits your belief system - I'm out, time to go get chinese! :)	Dec 25 17:34
fewt	adios!	Dec 25 17:34
MinceR	(not necessarily well, though)	Dec 25 17:34
sebsebseb	fewt: yes Merry Christmas	Dec 25 17:34
MinceR	happy solstice, fewt	Dec 25 17:34
sebsebseb	fewt: altough having chinese on Christmas, isn't realy Christmas?	Dec 25 17:34
MinceR	you shouldn't let tradition limit you	Dec 25 17:35
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sebsebseb	MinceR: true	Dec 25 17:35
sebsebseb	MinceR: and Christmas is going to be differnet for me this year, since not going to have any of the Turkey	Dec 25 17:36
sebsebseb	,but tha's since I have decided to care much more about what I am eating, in the lat six months or so	Dec 25 17:36
sebsebseb	well more than that reay	Dec 25 17:36
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sebsebseb	MinceR: I think how mot people eat dead anials and just don't care, isn't quite right really, but how it is	Dec 25 17:37
iophk	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/edward-snowden-nsa-spying-worse-orwell-nineteen-eighty-four-article-1.1558183	Dec 25 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr	www.nydailynews.com \| Edward Snowden says NSA spying worse than Orwell’s ‘Nineteen Eighty-Four’ - NY Daily News [ http://ur1.ca/g9cax ]	Dec 25 17:57
MinceR	sebsebseb: what's not right about it?	Dec 25 17:58
roy_	fewt: some really foul-mouthed person who claims to know you was here the other night	Dec 25 18:02
roy_	bbl	Dec 25 18:02
fewt	roy_: I just looked in the logs, I have no idea who that was.	Dec 25 19:07
fewt	chinese was yummy	Dec 25 19:07
fewt	:D	Dec 25 19:07
msb__	Just watched a great movie called "Christmas in Conway (2013)", with Mary-Louise Parker and other good folks. Can't tell you here where to find it, but get the one labelled "PLAYNOW" -- 1.43GB.	Dec 25 19:07
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Sosumi	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16524160/nmp/nmp54.jpg	Dec 25 20:05
Sosumi	also	Dec 25 20:05
Sosumi	merry christmas	Dec 25 20:05
MinceR	merry grav-mass	Dec 25 20:08
MinceR	lol @ pic	Dec 25 20:08
schestowitz__	grav-mass is RMS' invention, an original AFAIK	Dec 25 21:19
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3403315	Dec 25 21:25
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don't worry. The #pentagon says it only targets terrorists. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/03/us-britain-snowden-guardian-idUSBRE9B20TL20131203 http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/19/assange-high-tech-terrorist-biden	Dec 25 21:25
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.reuters.com \| British news staff may face terrorism charges over Snowden leaks \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/g6fkw ]	Dec 25 21:25
schestowitz__	"I really don't want to start another dispute about amerikan constitution . I was raised to believe it is not our words that constitute us , but our deeds . So look at the deeds of amerika , from the very start of it , the very foundations it was built on , and tell me , what was amerika constituted on ? What is it that amerika stands for today , and what is it that it stood for , since the first white pilgrim decided he has human	Dec 25 21:25
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.theguardian.com \| Julian Assange like a hi-tech terrorist, says Joe Biden \| Media \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/g6fkx ]	Dec 25 21:25
schestowitz__	rights , and red-skinned trash occupying the new world has none ?"	Dec 25 21:25
schestowitz__	"By "truth" you mean honoured and obeyed? If so... different parts, at different times, to different degrees, by different people."	Dec 25 21:27
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MinceR	"I think the idea of Grav-Mass was conceived by science fiction writer James Hogan."	Dec 25 21:42
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Sosumi	http://rt.com/news/iron-maiden-piracy-sellout-tours-759/	Dec 25 21:55
TechrightsBot-tr	rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g9e6e ]	Dec 25 21:55
Sosumi	Iron Maiden taking metrics on downloads for concert planning	Dec 25 21:55
Sosumi	instead of suing the file sharers	Dec 25 21:55
Sosumi	and yes, if they do pass through portugal, I'll go to their concert	Dec 25 21:56
MinceR	nice	Dec 25 21:57
Sosumi	it was demonoid that introduced me to iron maiden	Dec 25 21:57
Sosumi	so, thx to those "dirty pirates" over there I learned about them	Dec 25 21:58
Sosumi	it wasn't on the itunes "vomit" store nor on major superstores that don't even carry their CDs	Dec 25 21:59
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Sosumi	I only learned of bands like Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Dio, Black SAbbath, Rainbow, Vangelis, Kraftwerk, Amon Tobin and so on	Dec 25 22:03
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Sosumi	through the folks at demonoid	Dec 25 22:03
Sosumi	aka the "dirty pirates"	Dec 25 22:03
Sosumi	if I was relying on itunes top/major hits/featured playlists, I'd simply have limited myself to what my grandfather used to listen	Dec 25 22:05
Sosumi	which by itself was already good	Dec 25 22:05
Sosumi	Bach, Verdi, Wagner, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Sinatra	Dec 25 22:05
Sosumi	because pretty much of what's around is pure garbage	Dec 25 22:06
Sosumi	yeah milley virus or lady caca	Dec 25 22:07
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Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-25/trip-through-bitcoin-mines	Dec 25 22:18
TechrightsBot-tr	www.zerohedge.com \| A Trip Through The Bitcoin Mines \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g9e8o ]	Dec 25 22:18
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Sosumi	http://anki3d.org/developing-games-linux-steamos/	Dec 25 23:59
TechrightsBot-tr	anki3d.org \| Developing games on and for Linux/SteamOS \| AnKi 3D Engine Dev Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g9egz ]	Dec 25 23:59
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Sosumi	and confirmed, crapple sending specific guidelines to reviewers of their buttplug pro	Dec 26 00:16
Sosumi	and that is the benchmarks that they can post and no mention to the lack of expandability	Dec 26 00:17
Sosumi	from what I can tell from a german magazine, the thing simply turns into a jetengine under luxmark	Dec 26 00:17
MinceR	and flies into the ceiling?	Dec 26 00:18
Sosumi	but no word about how the puny 450W can keep the system going	Dec 26 00:18
Sosumi	I don't know, lawl,	Dec 26 00:18
MinceR	well, afaik the peak power input is used mostly only for starting up the pc	Dec 26 00:19
Sosumi	but my pc can do luxmarks and yotaluxmarks without revimp up its fans	Dec 26 00:19
MinceR	so if they can turn it into some sort of staged startup, maybe they can get by with less	Dec 26 00:19
MinceR	but my info might be outdated	Dec 26 00:19
Sosumi	on the buttplug is 450W max	Dec 26 00:19
Sosumi	and you can't keep max both gpus and cpu at the same time with that	Dec 26 00:20
Sosumi	unless they did massive underclocking or used laptop parts	Dec 26 00:21
Sosumi	gimped 7870 rebranded as firepro has already been confirmed	Dec 26 00:21
Sosumi	and for the same price crapple asks for the trashcan, you can instead get a 24 core HP Z workstation with 3 years warranty	Dec 26 00:22
Sosumi	effin unbelievable,	Dec 26 00:23
Sosumi	specially since they just used the "workstation" graphics to jack up the price that much	Dec 26 00:24
Sosumi	when a maxed 2009 mac pro costed 5400€ and my powermac quad G5, back in 2005 costed 4800€	Dec 26 00:24
Sosumi	a maxed trashcan is 9800€	Dec 26 00:25
MinceR	well, the logo is costly :>	Dec 26 00:25
Sosumi	mercedes are expensive	Dec 26 00:25
MinceR	and also crap	Dec 26 00:25
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Sosumi	I like mercedes :P	Dec 26 00:26
MinceR	(though lately i've only been in their buses)	Dec 26 00:26
MinceR	(but damn, are they shoddy)	Dec 26 00:26
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Sosumi	I was going to say that they drive well and are extremely durable	Dec 26 00:26
MinceR	the upholstery in the sprinter just peels off in huge patches	Dec 26 00:26
MinceR	it has practically no ventilation for the passengers	Dec 26 00:26
MinceR	the sides wave like a flag in the wind	Dec 26 00:26
Sosumi	and that I still see mercedes from 1988 running around here and they still look excelent despite their age	Dec 26 00:27
MinceR	the mercedes citaro has "seats" designed for garden gnomes	Dec 26 00:27
Sosumi	aside from the metro I really don't use that much the buses	Dec 26 00:27
MinceR	and of course, having a thin channel in the floor be low (see, it has a "low floor") was a good excuse to take away a massive amount of space in the back for the engine	Dec 26 00:28
MinceR	oh, also the sprinter stinks on the inside	Dec 26 00:28
MinceR	my father drove a rented mercedes-benz car once, and he wasn't impressed iirc	Dec 26 00:29
schestowitz	Mercedes is for p****ies	Dec 26 00:29
MinceR	indeed	Dec 26 00:29
schestowitz	trying to make up for insecurities	Dec 26 00:29
schestowitz	There are strong cars that don't cost as much	Dec 26 00:30
Sosumi	like?	Dec 26 00:30
Sosumi	tell me something nice that sells here in europe	Dec 26 00:30
MinceR	even old ikarus buses were better than the citaro	Dec 26 00:31
Sosumi	not buses,	Dec 26 00:31
Sosumi	cars	Dec 26 00:31
schestowitz	I'm not even sure that Mercedes is still made in German, probably just assembled there for the most part, and perhaps key parts like engines are made in germany	Dec 26 00:31
MinceR	i've heard they're made in turkey	Dec 26 00:31
schestowitz	yeah	Dec 26 00:31
schestowitz	or	Dec 26 00:31
schestowitz	Some Turkish workers brought to Germany	Dec 26 00:32
schestowitz	Although production is done in Poland, too	Dec 26 00:32
schestowitz	germans don't seem to like the millions of Turkish workers, some of them get nbaturalised	Dec 26 00:32
schestowitz	and less in self-segregated communties, at least that's the opinion I hear of...	Dec 26 00:33
schestowitz	A lot of other german brands don't do production in germany	Dec 26 00:33
schestowitz	just in other EU member states	Dec 26 00:33
schestowitz	So it works well for them, cheaper labour, money flows to German companies	Dec 26 00:33
Sosumi	well I guess my comparison of the german produced mercedes with the foxxcon gulag labor got blown	Dec 26 00:34
Sosumi	:)	Dec 26 00:34
Sosumi	well I drive a renault 21 turbo, french made	Dec 26 00:35
Sosumi	to the point it has yellow lights by default	Dec 26 00:35
MinceR	what do they like about yellow lights?	Dec 26 00:35
Sosumi	fog	Dec 26 00:36
Sosumi	instead of coming with white lights + lower "yellow" fog lights	Dec 26 00:36
Sosumi	it came with both in yellow	Dec 26 00:37
Sosumi	they're still the original lamps and I didn't bother changing them	Dec 26 00:37
Sosumi	because the yellow int let's me actually see holes on the road much better	Dec 26 00:38
MinceR	:)	Dec 26 00:38
Sosumi	*tint	Dec 26 00:38
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Sosumi	aside from the car topic	Dec 26 00:42
Sosumi	Ed Bernays in his book Propaganda said	Dec 26 00:42
Sosumi	that in order to get sales, the solution wasn't to lower the price	Dec 26 00:43
Sosumi	but instead, to actually raise it	Dec 26 00:43
MinceR	indeed	Dec 26 00:43
MinceR	and that is applied also to cars	Dec 26 00:43
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Sosumi	to create an atmosphere of want towards a product because of the aura of uniqueness/elitism it emanates	Dec 26 00:45
Sosumi	and crapple is doing that with the ashtray pro	Dec 26 00:46
Sosumi	asking you way more than before, for a lesses product	Dec 26 00:46
Sosumi	but with an cough unique design	Dec 26 00:47
Sosumi	and yes the same can be said for cars	Dec 26 00:47
MinceR	still not as bad as the hypePhone, where they ask for ~10x the money than what a superior phone would cost	Dec 26 00:47
Sosumi	200k € for an aston martin dbs	Dec 26 00:47
Sosumi	and it's not exactly and awesome car to drive	Dec 26 00:48
Sosumi	hey fiat kind of copied their design on some models	Dec 26 00:48
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Sosumi	vray 10 to 20% faster on windows than it is on the trashcan pro running osx	Dec 26 01:43
Sosumi	no linux comparison,	Dec 26 01:45
Sosumi	at least I was expecting a performance test with RHEL/fedora to see how the drivers handle	Dec 26 01:46
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roy_	MinceR: "Mr. Orban has been criticized by the European Union and human-rights groups for limiting freedoms of expression, among other controversial political moves"	Dec 26 09:31
roy_	http://chronicle.com/article/84-Year-Old-Philosopher/143491/	Dec 26 09:32
TechrightsBot-tr	chronicle.com \| 84-Year-Old Philosopher Rallies Opposition to Hungary's Hard-Line Government - Global - The Chronicle of Higher Education [ http://ur1.ca/g9g7l ]	Dec 26 09:32
roy_	crap article: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20131225/OPINION01/312250038/Editorial-roundup-Taking-sides-NSA-debate	Dec 26 09:35
TechrightsBot-tr	www.lansingstatejournal.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g9g7z ]	Dec 26 09:35
roy_	talking points of NSA	Dec 26 09:35
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iophk	http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/25/technology/as-new-services-track-habits-the-e-books-are-reading-you.html	Dec 26 10:08
TechrightsBot-tr	myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/g9gb5 ]	Dec 26 10:08
iophk	a little old - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2428466,00.asp	Dec 26 11:10
TechrightsBot-tr	www.pcmag.com \| The Hidden Agenda of Code.org \| PCMag.com [ http://ur1.ca/g9giv ]	Dec 26 11:10
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MinceR	roy_: sadly, only criticized	Dec 26 14:10
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 26 16:20
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MinceR	https://twitter.com/ZachWeiner/status/416251192004448256	Dec 26 17:00
TechrightsBot-tr	@ZachWeiner: Physics cheat sheet: g = 10 e = 10 pi = 10 4 = 10	Dec 26 17:00
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iophk	http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-sending-missiles-drones-to-Iraq-to-battle-al-Qaida/articleshow/27986657.cms	Dec 26 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	timesofindia.indiatimes.com \| US sending missiles, drones to Iraq to battle al-Qaida - The Times of India [ http://ur1.ca/g9jc5 ]	Dec 26 19:58
schestowitz	iophk: yes, I wrote about it at lunchtime	Dec 26 20:26
schestowitz	good timing to do all this	Dec 26 20:26
schestowitz	nobody pays attention	Dec 26 20:26
schestowitz	they also attacked with drones on XMAS DAY	Dec 26 20:26
schestowitz	4 dead, no names	Dec 26 20:27
iophk	yeah, sneak stuff through during the holidays. No one wants to deal with bad news and will ignore it or gloss it over.	Dec 26 20:27
iophk	'militants' -- anyone hit by a rocket is automatically a 'militant'	Dec 26 20:27
schestowitz	NYT says thet militant is adult male	Dec 26 20:28
schestowitz	i say NYT because I traced that back to the source	Dec 26 20:28
schestowitz	and the source is close to the Pentagon	Dec 26 20:28
schestowitz	Anyway, see my tweets for lots more from today	Dec 26 20:28
schestowitz	I also got rewtweeted a few times by Thomas Drake, the NSA whistleblower before Snowden	Dec 26 20:29
iophk	Yes, Drake, Binney and others tried official channels.	Dec 26 20:30
iophk	They got burned badly.	Dec 26 20:30
iophk	Snowden learned from their mistakes.	Dec 26 20:34
schestowitz	iophk: Chromebooks charge into business market, capture 20% of commercial notebooks	Dec 26 20:52
schestowitz	You were right	Dec 26 20:52
schestowitz	http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/122413-chromebooks-charge-into-business-market-277202.html	Dec 26 20:52
TechrightsBot-tr	www.networkworld.com \| Chromebooks charge into business market, capture 20% of commercial notebooks - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/g9jtn ]	Dec 26 20:52
schestowitz	easy to use, not for advaned users, not expensive like Apple stuf	Dec 26 20:53
iophk	I expect that % will grow still.	Dec 26 20:55
iophk	Especially if the screen resolutions improve.	Dec 26 20:56
iophk	768 vertical lines is not great	Dec 26 20:56
MinceR	the pixel is better at that :>	Dec 26 20:56
iophk	not all models.	Dec 26 20:57
iophk	but the price is good.	Dec 26 20:57
iophk	1200 is ok	Dec 26 20:58
iophk	lines	Dec 26 20:58
Sosumi	http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/12/bloomberg-trans-pacific-partnership-corporatist-power-grab-democratic-transparent-one-party-state-shrouded-big-brother-like-secrecy.html	Dec 26 21:07
TechrightsBot-tr	www.washingtonsblog.com \| Bloomberg: Trans Pacific Partnership Is "Corporatist Power Grab", "As Democratic And Transparent As A One-Party State," Shrouded In "Big Brother-Like Secrecy" Washington's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g9jyz ]	Dec 26 21:07
Sosumi	just another free exploitation treaty	Dec 26 21:13
Sosumi	business as usual, move along, conform	Dec 26 21:14
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sebsebseb	a b c 1 2 3	Dec 26 22:44
MinceR	d e f 4 5 6	Dec 26 22:45
sebsebseb	g h i 7 8 9	Dec 26 22:45
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Sosumi	http://9gag.com/gag/aAYQB0g	Dec 27 01:45
TechrightsBot-tr	9gag.com \| 9GAG - The things you find on the internet	Dec 27 01:45
Sosumi	made my day	Dec 27 01:45
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whatup	Roy	Dec 27 06:09
whatup	hello	Dec 27 06:09
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3446456	Dec 27 10:10
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Seven free, open source video editors for Linux	Dec 27 10:10
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.networkworld.com \| Seven free, open source video editors for Linux - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/g9dyp ]	Dec 27 10:10
schestowitz	http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_06_25-elizabeths_claymation_movies/	Dec 27 10:11
TechrightsBot-tr	173.20.223.180 \| Elizabeth's Claymation Movies [ http://ur1.ca/g9ose ]	Dec 27 10:11
schestowitz	http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/rc_models/flight_highlight_movies/slide_04.html	Dec 27 10:12
TechrightsBot-tr	173.20.223.180 \| 04-seagull_zoom_small.ogv [ http://ur1.ca/g9osf ]	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/rc_models/flight_highlight_movies/slide_11.html	Dec 27 10:12
TechrightsBot-tr	173.20.223.180 \| Collision [ http://ur1.ca/g9osh ]	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	"	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	I'll have to try openshot sometime.	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	Kdenlive takes a little bit of practice and research but it feels easy to me now. One of the big, cool things is drag and drop additions to the story board. Just about any video or audio can be dropped in an is almost instantly available. The rendering dialog looks challenging because KDE does what they usually do and lay out all of the horrifically difficult options that other people have created with nasty formats. You can get around	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	that by sticking to Theora, which is straight forward and easy to understand.	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	Kdenlive packs some surprising power and excellent effects. The slideshow creator, a right click in the story board, is so flexible, that I've used it to render my daughter's stop motion claymation movies. There are lots of transitions and compositing works well. Basically, any still image or video type can be worked into a movie. Effects like pan, zoom, etc, are not straight forward but they are flexible and work well if you figure	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	them out.	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	There are plenty of things I have not mastered yet, but I like the films I've made. I have not figured out how to edit or fade audio, but that's something audacity is good for. My last two movie edits are relatively tight and, hopefully, amusing. I've collected most of them them here. This is a pan and zoom movie where I tried to highlight seaguls. Here's a a movie where I've combined the output from three very different cameras. Here'	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	s a movie where I've had a little more fun with title overlays. The last two movies both use slow motion and attempt to make a narrative from several perspectives.	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	"	Dec 27 10:12
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3452288	Dec 27 10:13
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #humor #lol	Dec 27 10:13
TechrightsBot-tr	Photo by manuelalvarezmolina@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_e7c17559cba2d21ef873.jpg	Dec 27 10:13
schestowitz	It happens. I once took a ride on a really nice day. The air was cool and refreshing, it felt so good I started thinking about it. The sun on my skin, the crispness of the air, the wind in my hair ... and that's when I realized I had forgotten my helmet."7	Dec 27 10:13
iophk	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/10538688/The-state-should-be-exposing-the-cyber-snoops-not-joining-them.html	Dec 27 11:19
TechrightsBot-tr	www.telegraph.co.uk \| The state should be exposing the cyber-snoops, not joining them - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/g9ozx ]	Dec 27 11:19
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3452288	Dec 27 11:22
schestowitz	tongue1 Checklist time!"77"	Dec 27 11:22
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/u/jgb	Dec 27 11:24
schestowitz	Jacob Georg Benz has started sharing with you!"777"	Dec 27 11:24
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3454406	Dec 27 11:28
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Surveillance and blackmail against everyone, where even the domestic population is treated like an enemy, historically a symptom of empire	Dec 27 11:28
schestowitz	"It's a symptom of the decline phase of empire."	Dec 27 11:28
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Sosumi	and the year is almost over	Dec 27 12:53
Sosumi	but no worries, next year will be the gnu/linux desktop year :P	Dec 27 12:54
Sosumi	aside from the obvious joke there	Dec 27 12:57
Sosumi	I can say that one most significant things that happened this year in the gnu/linux scene of things was the steam box	Dec 27 12:58
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iophk	http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/27/nokia-kills-here-maps-blames-ios-7/	Dec 27 13:22
TechrightsBot-tr	www.engadget.com \| Nokia pulls Here Maps from the App Store, blames iOS 7 [ http://ur1.ca/g9pez ]	Dec 27 13:22
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schestowitz	Sosumi: we;re there already	Dec 27 16:27
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iophk	http://www.develop-online.net/news/mark-pincus-asks-obama-to-pardon-snowden/0187606	Dec 27 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr	www.develop-online.net \| Mark Pincus asks Obama to pardon Snowden \| Latest news from the game development industry \| Develop [ http://ur1.ca/g9qn1 ]	Dec 27 17:36
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Dec 27 17:52
DaemonFC	25 seconds ago · Edited	Dec 27 17:52
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTc	Dec 27 17:52
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Hope Seems Lost In Running OS X Binaries On Linux [ http://ur1.ca/g9qq0 ]	Dec 27 17:52
DaemonFC	I don't know why this project even started. Apple OS X gives you the worst of all worlds. It is proprietary and malicious software, it is technically deficient, it's very hard to use, it is relatively obscure, and it doesn't have any must have apps.	Dec 27 17:52
DaemonFC	Everything I'd use it for already has better open source alternatives that run on GNU/Linux.	Dec 27 17:52
DaemonFC	I don't like Wine, and I avoid Windows programs for the most part, but I can at least understand why Wine exists.	Dec 27 17:52
MinceR	people often depend on proprietary and malicious software	Dec 27 17:53
cubezzz	it was open, then it was closed, now it's somewhat open :)	Dec 27 17:54
cubezzz	Unix v6 license was initially about 100 bucks	Dec 27 17:55
cubezzz	trouble was you needed a PDP-11 or a Interdata to run it	Dec 27 17:55
MinceR	:)	Dec 27 17:55
cubezzz	but you got everything: all source for the libs, device drivers, kernel and user programs	Dec 27 17:56
DaemonFC	Yeah. Solaris is now mostly proprietary again.	Dec 27 17:56
cubezzz	and a snobol interpreter :)	Dec 27 17:56
DaemonFC	Most of the source still gets released, months later, under the CDDL.	Dec 27 17:57
DaemonFC	But the Solaris kernel is fully proprietary again.	Dec 27 17:57
cubezzz	there's a new fork of Solaris	Dec 27 17:57
cubezzz	have you heard of OpenSXCE?	Dec 27 17:57
DaemonFC	You can still get the kernel source code up to what Oracle released in 2010, as CDDL.	Dec 27 17:57
DaemonFC	But, there will probably never be another CDDL code drop of the Solaris kernel.	Dec 27 17:57
cubezzz	http://www.opensxce.org	Dec 27 17:58
TechrightsBot-tr	www.opensxce.org \| OpenSXCE 2013.05 LiveDVD	Dec 27 17:58
DaemonFC	Oh, yeah, people can fork the 2010 release of the kernel, but it's going to be fragmented and not 100% compatible, which is basically what Oracle intended when they did that.	Dec 27 17:58
DaemonFC	And there's no guarantee that that policy won't spread to the rest of their system.	Dec 27 17:59
DaemonFC	Oracle is probably steaming mad that Sun ever released anything at all as open source.	Dec 27 17:59
DaemonFC	Oracle is not an open source software company.	Dec 27 17:59
DaemonFC	Very nearly everything they have as open source is due to a legacy status as open source from before they acquired it.	Dec 27 18:00
DaemonFC	People should avoid them, and even their GNU/Linux distribution.	Dec 27 18:00
DaemonFC	Hostile company.	Dec 27 18:00
DaemonFC	If there was some legal way of changing the license to their GNU/Linux system to a proprietary one, they'd do it.	Dec 27 18:01
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/retro-mwm-desktop.png	Dec 27 18:01
iophk	Solaris is moribund or dead. Most developers seem to have moved to Illumos.	Dec 27 18:01
iophk	http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/About+illumos	Dec 27 18:02
TechrightsBot-tr	wiki.illumos.org \| About illumos - illumos - illumos wiki [ http://ur1.ca/g9qrr ]	Dec 27 18:02
DaemonFC	I said my opinion of Richard Stallman on Facebook.	Dec 27 18:02
DaemonFC	I said he may not be the smartest person on the planet, but he's probably in the top 100.	Dec 27 18:02
DaemonFC	Which is not bad when the human population is near 7 billion.	Dec 27 18:02
cubezzz	let's not forget Thompson and Ritchie	Dec 27 18:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/416624896316551168	Dec 27 18:04
TechrightsBot-tr	@Messgorough: @schestowitz Apple has never competed neither has it's OS ever surpassed Android or in it's day.....Symbian.	Dec 27 18:04
cubezzz	and Tanenbaum also deserves a mention	Dec 27 18:05
cubezzz	he was in the mix relatively early	Dec 27 18:05
DaemonFC	There wouldn't be a GNU/Linux system without MINIX.	Dec 27 18:05
DaemonFC	MINIX was the system that Linux was developed on, because it was relatively free and open for the time period.	Dec 27 18:06
DaemonFC	If Torvalds wasn't able to get a copy of it, then he wouldn't have had a system to develop Linux on.	Dec 27 18:06
DaemonFC	So, it is part of the GNU/Linux legacy. A major one.	Dec 27 18:07
cubezzz	Torvalds could have started on Unix v7 or even v6	Dec 27 18:07
cubezzz	Minix was a clone of Unix after all	Dec 27 18:07
cubezzz	but as far as I know, no one did	Dec 27 18:08
DaemonFC	Right, but I understand it was expensive and didn't support IBM PCs?	Dec 27 18:08
DaemonFC	Wasn't the only other "affordable" PC port Microsoft XENIX?	Dec 27 18:08
cubezzz	well it got ported to a bunch of different things	Dec 27 18:08
DaemonFC	You could get that for less than $100 at Radio Shack, back when Radio Shack had that sort of stuff, and before it turned into a glorified cell phone store.	Dec 27 18:08
DaemonFC	But XENIX source code wasn't available.	Dec 27 18:09
DaemonFC	It was 100% proprietary.	Dec 27 18:09
cubezzz	based on Unix v7 which was available for $$$	Dec 27 18:09
DaemonFC	You got the MINIX source code just for buying the book, and you were allowed to modify it.	Dec 27 18:09
DaemonFC	I think that the book was like $70?	Dec 27 18:09
cubezzz	Prentice Hall, yeah	Dec 27 18:09
cubezzz	I bought it	Dec 27 18:09
cubezzz	around $90 Canadian	Dec 27 18:10
DaemonFC	That was basically unheard of back then.	Dec 27 18:10
DaemonFC	So, XENIX ran on PCs and wasn't too much more expensive, but you got no source code and no rights to modify or share it.	Dec 27 18:10
DaemonFC	So it was licensed like DOS or Windows.	Dec 27 18:10
cubezzz	no, Xenix didn't start on PCs	Dec 27 18:11
DaemonFC	You could get it for PC.	Dec 27 18:11
DaemonFC	I've seen it running on a 286.	Dec 27 18:11
cubezzz	PDP-11 then Z8001 then 68000 and after that x86	Dec 27 18:11
cubezzz	sure there was a 8086 one too	Dec 27 18:12
cubezzz	cut down from the original v7, so it was worse	Dec 27 18:12
DaemonFC	My first IBM PC (clone) was using a 386.	Dec 27 18:12
DaemonFC	But it was one of those mobile 386 SX things.	Dec 27 18:12
DaemonFC	It was good enough to run DOS.	Dec 27 18:13
cubezzz	the problem was everyone who bought licensed Unix v7 created a closed source version to sell	Dec 27 18:13
DaemonFC	I saw a Crime Stoppers ad on TV this morning. Someone broke into the AT&T store on Lima Road in Fort Wayne, and stole a bunch of tablets and phones.	Dec 27 18:14
DaemonFC	They're all locked, so that you can only activate them on AT&T.	Dec 27 18:14
DaemonFC	As soon as someone powers them on, it will start giving out their GPS location.	Dec 27 18:15
DaemonFC	I wonder what they plan to do with them.	Dec 27 18:15
cubezzz	it was all shared via 9-track mag tape	Dec 27 18:15
DaemonFC	I had an Amiga and a Commodore 64 before that.	Dec 27 18:17
cubezzz	Xenix was kind of a step backwards	Dec 27 18:17
DaemonFC	The Amiga was considerably better, but the software development was going towards DOS.	Dec 27 18:17
DaemonFC	Microsoft didn't support Xenix for very long.	Dec 27 18:19
DaemonFC	Pretty much everything that they didn't have 100% control over was just a way to poach customers and get government contracts.	Dec 27 18:19
DaemonFC	The goal was always to move them to DOS or Windows later.	Dec 27 18:20
cubezzz	there's 2.11BSD for PDP-11 and 4.3BSD for Vax	Dec 27 18:22
cubezzz	they're still maintained	Dec 27 18:24
cubezzz	all with device driver code of course	Dec 27 18:27
DaemonFC	http://toastytech.com/guis/win8sp1.html	Dec 27 18:27
TechrightsBot-tr	toastytech.com \| Windows 8 Service Pack 1 (Windows 8.1)	Dec 27 18:27
cubezzz	all the DEC hardware was well documented too, no secret chips were used	Dec 27 18:27
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/vax-4.3bsd.png	Dec 27 18:30
DaemonFC	The older I get, the more pills I take. :P	Dec 27 18:35
DaemonFC	I'm up to three every day now.	Dec 27 18:35
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 18:35
DaemonFC	I gave up on that Polari IRC client for now.	Dec 27 18:35
DaemonFC	It is very incomplete and mostly unusable except as maybe alpha-quality software for people that are just curious.	Dec 27 18:36
DaemonFC	It's not good enough to be an every day IRC program.	Dec 27 18:36
DaemonFC	I switched back to HexChat.	Dec 27 18:36
DaemonFC	Xchat is unmaintained now. Fedora still patches it up well enough to work and to patch security issues.	Dec 27 18:37
DaemonFC	Upstream isn't even accepting the patches, so I think it's obvious that the HexChat fork is now the way to go if you liked Xchat.	Dec 27 18:37
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DaemonFC	I think that to avoid confusion, there should be an official deprecation of Xchat and a dummy package that takes people to HexChat and is later removed from the system.	Dec 27 18:38
DaemonFC	The dummy package could also migrate your Xchat settings.	Dec 27 18:38
DaemonFC	I think that upstream has abandoned Xchat for something like 3, almost 4 years now.	Dec 27 18:39
DaemonFC	I guess it could live on the same way xmms did. :P	Dec 27 18:40
DaemonFC	Until there's just no way to support it any longer.	Dec 27 18:40
DaemonFC	Eventually, distributions will want to remove GTK+ 2.x. It will be several years.	Dec 27 18:40
DaemonFC	The reasoning for dropping xmms was that nobody was going to port it to GTK+ 2 and it was the last package that still used GTK+ 1.	Dec 27 18:40
DaemonFC	Fedora held on to xmms for a long time.	Dec 27 18:41
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Sosumi	I was just joking when I mentioned the "year of the desktop linux"	Dec 27 18:53
Sosumi	and from my POV, desktop linux is great	Dec 27 18:53
Sosumi	the only workings gnu/linux needs as a whole is the ease to install proprietary drivers	Dec 27 18:54
Sosumi	like the nvidia ones	Dec 27 18:54
Sosumi	also I think I'll be pulling the trigger on a maxed dell precision t7600 to replace one of my mac pros	Dec 27 18:56
Sosumi	which also means the I'm departing from osx for some of my stuff	Dec 27 18:56
Sosumi	after one year of getting things ready	Dec 27 18:56
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iophk	http://theconversation.com/facebooks-so-uncool-but-its-morphing-into-a-different-beast-21548	Dec 27 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr	theconversation.com \| Facebook's so uncool, but it's morphing into a different beast [ http://ur1.ca/g9gkt ]	Dec 27 19:58
iophk	http://torrentfreak.com/google-discarded-21000000-takedown-requests-in-2013-131227/	Dec 27 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr	torrentfreak.com \| Google Discarded 21,000,000 Takedown Requests in 2013 \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g9rd1 ]	Dec 27 20:04
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DaemonFC	Sosumi, We don't need proprietary drivers.	Dec 27 20:39
DaemonFC	We need to support the companies that provide usable Free drivers whenever we can do that.	Dec 27 20:39
Sosumi	well ofc	Dec 27 20:39
DaemonFC	The open source Radeon driver is getting quite good.	Dec 27 20:39
Sosumi	but until the mentality finally changes	Dec 27 20:39
DaemonFC	I removed the proprietary one a while ago.	Dec 27 20:40
Sosumi	are they also good for opencl?	Dec 27 20:40
DaemonFC	For some time, it was only usable for basic use cases, like it would run kwin and Mutter with decent support, but now it's even running my video games at full speed.	Dec 27 20:40
DaemonFC	So, instead of proprietary drivers, people should just be using the latest version of Fedora.	Dec 27 20:41
Sosumi	yes, but do the free drivers support opencl?	Dec 27 20:41
DaemonFC	It's the easiest way to make sure everything works well, and probably 95% of Radeon users don't even need to do anything else.	Dec 27 20:41
DaemonFC	Well, I haven't paid close attention to that.	Dec 27 20:41
DaemonFC	I know there's something called Gallium Compute and that AMD is working on supporting that in the open source driver.	Dec 27 20:41
DaemonFC	I don't know what hardware that works with, or to what extent, but the 3d/OpenGL support is very good.	Dec 27 20:42
Sosumi	that's nice, I'll have to check Gallium Compute then	Dec 27 20:42
DaemonFC	It's a Catalyst replacement on my Radeon HD 5670, and from the Phoronix benchmarks, the support is very good to excellent up through the 7000 series.	Dec 27 20:42
DaemonFC	If you're going to go with an IGP, then definitely get an all-AMD system.	Dec 27 20:43
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DaemonFC	Intel doesn't support Gallium3d.	Dec 27 20:43
DaemonFC	They're basically the only user of Classic Mesa that's left.	Dec 27 20:43
DaemonFC	And they might maintain it well enough for Intel hardware, but Gallium3d is just better in every case that I've seen both a classic and a gallium driver in action on the same hardware.	Dec 27 20:44
DaemonFC	When Fedora switched me from Classic to Gallium, my card got faster, there were fewer rendering glitches, and the performance immediately improved.	Dec 27 20:44
DaemonFC	So, I think that Intel hardware could be faster if they'd switch to Gallium.	Dec 27 20:45
DaemonFC	There's a much larger difference in performance between Intel's Windows driver and their open source Linux driver, and I believe that's why.	Dec 27 20:45
DaemonFC	There's bottlenecks in their Linux stack and they're not showing any interest in getting rid of those because they don't want to do the porting work.	Dec 27 20:46
DaemonFC	The performance on Linux isn't bad, but I think that holding out on Classic Mesa is bringing their 3d performance down 15-20%.	Dec 27 20:46
DaemonFC	So, that's not good.	Dec 27 20:46
DaemonFC	AMD went ahead and just rewrote the driver, which probably set them back several months, but with better results in the end.	Dec 27 20:47
DaemonFC	Every Radeon that's newer than like 2003 is using DRI2, kernel mode setting, and Gallium3d now.	Dec 27 20:48
DaemonFC	The older hardware still works, but eventually it will end up being unsupported because it's just too much work to maintain and there's not enough of it left to be properly tested.	Dec 27 20:48
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 20:48
DaemonFC	The hardware that's older than ~2001 is in the process of being dropped from Fedora.	Dec 27 20:49
DaemonFC	That's not really as big of a deal as it sounds. Very little of it is actually still in use, and people that still rely on it can make a pretty easy transition from Fedora to one of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux clones based on RHEL 7, and then they can just keep using it for another 10 years or until the machine fails.	Dec 27 20:50
DaemonFC	So, 23 years of hardware support for consumer PC hardware is pretty fantastic. You never get anything like that on Windows.	Dec 27 20:51
DaemonFC	On Windows, there's a lot of XP-era hardware where nobody was even able to install Vista, and they bought the computer in 2005, and Vista was out in 2006.	Dec 27 20:51
DaemonFC	I got into that situation twice. The first time was when I had a 3dfx Voodoo card that I was using on Windows 98, and there was never an official Windows XP driver for it, so that machine was stuck on Windows Me. Then there was a laptop I bought in 2005 that didn't have a Vista driver for the radeon chipset in 2006!	Dec 27 20:53
DaemonFC	So, I just switched that machine over to GNU/Linux and it kept working until I sold the laptop on Craigslist last year. Those old ATI IGPs were never really all that fun to have to....use. Their newer ones are much better.	Dec 27 20:53
Sosumi	all I have at moment is a custom built pc tower with 4 gtx titans	Dec 27 21:03
Sosumi	that I built as test bed for gnu/linux	Dec 27 21:04
DaemonFC	From a post on my Facebook wall:	Dec 27 21:05
DaemonFC	But, would we really want a GNU/Linux port of iTunes? It's already the worst program available for Windows. I've had people bring in their Windows computers that stopped working because iTunes was installed. It's happened on at least three occasions. Upgrading to Windows XP Service Pack 3 with iTunes installed caused Windows to fail to boot. Upgrading to Windows Vista Service Pack 1 did the same thing. Then the same thing happened to some	Dec 27 21:05
DaemonFC	users when they upgraded from Windows Vista to Windows 7. iTunes for Windows uses several hundred megabytes of RAM, does not respect the Windows Human Interface Guidelines, installs unrelated software that the user didn't ask for, installs insecure system level services that are frequently used by malware to help themselves circumvent process integrity tokens, and are using many Apple libraries that are inefficient, slow, and poorly ported.	Dec 27 21:05
DaemonFC	Then when you get it, you have this behemoth that inflicts Digital Restrictions Malware on your movies, videos, and books, and prevents you from sharing copies to help your friends.	Dec 27 21:05
DaemonFC	Friends don't let friends buy Apple! (Well, they can buy whatever they want. It's their money. But, they should have some idea of what they're getting into....)	Dec 27 21:05
DaemonFC	*it is using	Dec 27 21:06
DaemonFC	rather	Dec 27 21:06
Sosumi	why would anyone want to use itunes? to get bombarded with adds for booincee? dustin beever? or milley virus?	Dec 27 21:06
Sosumi	or the other kyloton of garbage that composes the top page of itunes	Dec 27 21:07
Sosumi	for winblows users eac+foobar is ok	Dec 27 21:08
Sosumi	or the monkey player	Dec 27 21:08
MinceR	to put files on their hypePhone	Dec 27 21:09
Sosumi	for gnu/linux, amarok and cd extraction with the kde burner is also fine	Dec 27 21:09
MinceR	which they bought so they could be a member of the cult	Dec 27 21:09
Sosumi	hypePhone is kind of garbage	Dec 27 21:09
Sosumi	only 1GB of ram on the latest model	Dec 27 21:09
Sosumi	the cheaper priced note 3 has 3GB	Dec 27 21:10
Sosumi	and I don't need to fake apple certificates in order to install my own stuff on the phone	Dec 27 21:10
Sosumi	through itunes without jailbraking	Dec 27 21:11
Sosumi	and I don't think that's possible anymore	Dec 27 21:11
Sosumi	but at least was during the iphone 3g days	Dec 27 21:11
Sosumi	*possible	Dec 27 21:11
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IKE2lCoNqY	Dec 27 21:12
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Miley Cyrus - Wrecking Ball PARODY - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g2ry9 ]	Dec 27 21:12
DaemonFC	B-)	Dec 27 21:12
Sosumi	lol	Dec 27 21:13
DaemonFC	I've been using GNOME Web more lately.	Dec 27 21:14
DaemonFC	I noticed that it can play WebM and h264, so I don't need Flash.	Dec 27 21:14
DaemonFC	Some sites seem to treat it as a mobile browser though... Not sure why that happens.	Dec 27 21:14
Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNb_SSE-jVc	Dec 27 21:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Dio - Sacred Heart - HD Live - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g9rom ]	Dec 27 21:15
Sosumi	I wish they still made music like that	Dec 27 21:15
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4OwxI8QVTU	Dec 27 21:15
TechrightsBot-tr	www.youtube.com \| Lady Gaga - Applause (Official) PARODY - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g9rop ]	Dec 27 21:15
MinceR	maybe its UserAgent string looks mobile-ish	Dec 27 21:15
Sosumi	no idea	Dec 27 21:16
DaemonFC	Well, most of Youtube and some porn sites use HTML 5 now.	Dec 27 21:16
DaemonFC	Flash is clearly on the way out. That's good.	Dec 27 21:16
Sosumi	lol, I wander how you know that, porn sites, lol	Dec 27 21:17
DaemonFC	Because I'm a guy.	Dec 27 21:19
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 21:19
DaemonFC	Gadgets, video games, and porn.	Dec 27 21:20
DaemonFC	You get an Android phone and start trying to make it play video games and porn.	Dec 27 21:20
DaemonFC	It's just natural.	Dec 27 21:20
DaemonFC	The first thing that I ended up having an argument with Tim about was the "You don't flush condoms!" argument.	Dec 27 21:21
DaemonFC	I've never actually had them plug up the toilet (some people have I've heard), but my mom was over one day and flushed the toilet, and one surfaced. That was probably 5-6 years ago.	Dec 27 21:21
DaemonFC	So, today's PSA is don't flush condoms.	Dec 27 21:22
DaemonFC	That's really what they need to be researching. Flushable condoms.	Dec 27 21:22
DaemonFC	Maybe Bill Gates can give them some money to do that.	Dec 27 21:23
DaemonFC	Sosumi, A funny thing happened in Texas today.	Dec 27 21:29
DaemonFC	The state government passed harsh laws because of the "knockout game", which black teenagers are supposedly playing with white people as the victims.	Dec 27 21:30
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DaemonFC	So, it passed due to racist hysteria, and then the first person actually arrested and charged under the new law is a white teenager that assaulted a 79 year old black man.	Dec 27 21:31
DaemonFC	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/26/1265483/-Racial-Narrative-Of-Knockout-Game-Blown-As-White-Guy-Clobbers-Elderly-Black-Man?detail=facebook	Dec 27 21:31
TechrightsBot-tr	www.dailykos.com \| Daily Kos: Racial Narrative Of Knockout Game Blown As White Guy Clobbers Elderly Black Man [ http://ur1.ca/g9rve ]	Dec 27 21:31
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Sosumi	lol	Dec 27 21:33
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Sosumi	I'm not really into pron, I'd prefer the real thing way more, but nvm on that	Dec 27 21:34
Sosumi	I'll be wearing my wizard cloak in 6 years	Dec 27 21:34
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Sosumi	as for the knockout game,	Dec 27 21:35
Sosumi	it's dumb and ppl can actually get killed	Dec 27 21:35
DaemonFC	The problem with porn is that it sets your expectations too high.	Dec 27 21:35
DaemonFC	And then your significant other finds your stash and yells at you and asks why they aren't good enough.	Dec 27 21:36
Sosumi	broken necks, falling on the street and getting run over by a passing car/bus	Dec 27 21:36
DaemonFC	Then you counter with "But you're not always here!" and then they say "So now I'm not spending enough time with you!?"	Dec 27 21:36
DaemonFC	So, it rapidly deteriorates from there and there's no way to win that argument.	Dec 27 21:36
Sosumi	my secret stash is filled of math and computer pron	Dec 27 21:37
Sosumi	and anime....	Dec 27 21:37
Sosumi	featuring giant mechas	Dec 27 21:37
Sosumi	so I guess I'm always safe	Dec 27 21:37
DaemonFC	And then later, you really do want to have sex and they pick up where they left off.	Dec 27 21:38
DaemonFC	"Oh, I'm not one of those models on those porn sites, so just go in there and flip the computer on, you animal!"	Dec 27 21:38
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 27 21:38
Sosumi	lol	Dec 27 21:39
DaemonFC	So, yeah, porn came back to bite me last weekend.	Dec 27 21:39
Sosumi	I guess that in no time you'll be able to 3d print living tissue	Dec 27 21:40
Sosumi	and you'll be able to make your dream girl when that happens	Dec 27 21:40
Sosumi	but tell, how did pron came back to bite you	Dec 27 21:41
Sosumi	or don't tell :P	Dec 27 22:00
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-27/france-wants-tax-youtube-and-facebook-videos	Dec 27 22:00
TechrightsBot-tr	www.zerohedge.com \| France Wants To Tax YouTube And Facebook Videos \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g9rzn ]	Dec 27 22:00
Sosumi	or they'll surrender	Dec 27 22:00
Sosumi	http://rt.com/news/underreported-news-stories-2013-836/	Dec 27 22:05
TechrightsBot-tr	rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g9s0f ]	Dec 27 22:05
Sosumi	Swartz, Fracking, Manning, GMO: 13 most underreported news stories of 2013	Dec 27 22:05
Sosumi	nor real news about gene patenting	Dec 27 22:06
Sosumi	Swartz didn't even make it to portuguese news	Dec 27 22:06
Sosumi	and since I'm in an EU country	Dec 27 22:07
Sosumi	what else didn't make it to the news	Dec 27 22:07
Sosumi	outside of a small 5 secs tidbit	Dec 27 22:07
Sosumi	the banking and fiscal union!	Dec 27 22:07
Sosumi	what else didn't make it to the news? the eurocorps	Dec 27 22:08
Sosumi	but hey as long as there is Mourinho, Ronaldo and whatever, no one cares	Dec 27 22:09
Sosumi	teardowns of the buttplug pro have shown up	Dec 27 22:17
Sosumi	and a major flaw has been detected, at least by me,	Dec 27 22:17
Sosumi	voltage regulators on the gpu cards aren't cooled	Dec 27 22:18
Sosumi	and that never happens with high end cards	Dec 27 22:18
Sosumi	they're just standing there with no contact with the central heathsink nor have a small heathsink on top	Dec 27 22:19
Sosumi	and those things do get hot	Dec 27 22:19
Sosumi	and cram is way too near the gpu	Dec 27 22:20
Sosumi	*vram	Dec 27 22:20
Sosumi	I pretty much doubt the reliability of the system in the long term	Dec 27 22:20
Sosumi	http://blog.macsales.com/22108-new-mac-pro-2013-teardown	Dec 27 22:20
TechrightsBot-tr	blog.macsales.com \| New Mac Pro 2013 Teardown \| Other World Computing Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g9s2c ]	Dec 27 22:20
Sosumi	and I pretty much doubt about voltage stability into that thing	Dec 27 22:21
MinceR	that's ok, those aren't high end cards :>	Dec 27 22:22
Sosumi	simply because even single slot boards have more capacitors that, including passively cooled ones than that	Dec 27 22:23
Sosumi	no	Dec 27 22:23
Sosumi	I'm starting to think they are underclocked 7850	Dec 27 22:23
Sosumi	since in single gpu bench it can't even beat a gtx680	Dec 27 22:24
Sosumi	crapple is selling you planned obsolescence with that thing	Dec 27 22:26
MinceR	the underclocking and the crApple retardation are what makes them non-high-end :>	Dec 27 22:26
Sosumi	yet, they're charging as it it was high end	Dec 27 22:27
DaemonFC	The last big problem for the open source radeon driver is power management.	Dec 27 22:27
DaemonFC	Proper power management support exists in Linux 3.12, but it's not stable on every card, so it's not on by default.	Dec 27 22:27
DaemonFC	I've forced it on with my card (Radeon HD 5670), and it hasn't caused problems.	Dec 27 22:27
MinceR	well yes, the price was always "high end" :>	Dec 27 22:27
Sosumi	the problem is that now they actually went full retardom with the pricing	Dec 27 22:28
MinceR	they create demand with high prices	Dec 27 22:29
Sosumi	it's like if they had no shame or guilt	Dec 27 22:29
Sosumi	yes, just like Bernays said on Propaganda	Dec 27 22:29
MinceR	they have no shame or guilt	Dec 27 22:29
MinceR	they never had any	Dec 27 22:29
Sosumi	I kind of quoted him, but at least they could have kept some morals when pricing their stuff	Dec 27 22:30
MinceR	this is the company that takes what others build, sells it and then screams that others have "stolen" it from them	Dec 27 22:30
MinceR	and sues everyone	Dec 27 22:30
Sosumi	yeah, but back in 2004 and so on to 2009	Dec 27 22:31
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Sosumi	they actually had nice stuff that was reasonably priced	Dec 27 22:31
Sosumi	but now, they're asking way more for a lot less	Dec 27 22:32
Sosumi	or crippled in a way or another	Dec 27 22:32
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MinceR	what nice stuff?	Dec 27 22:32
Sosumi	powermacs	Dec 27 22:32
MinceR	well, those are valued merely because they're based on PowerPC	Dec 27 22:32
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MinceR	and not many computers are/were	Dec 27 22:32
MinceR	as far as i can tell	Dec 27 22:32
Sosumi	top of the line models were way cheaper than an equivalent IBM powerstation	Dec 27 22:32
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Sosumi	the mac pros were also nice	Dec 27 22:33
Sosumi	and decently priced	Dec 27 22:33
Sosumi	specially if you equated the student discount	Dec 27 22:33
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxNTk	Dec 27 22:35
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] 13 Reasons Linux 3.13 Is Going To Be Very Exciting [ http://ur1.ca/g9s48 ]	Dec 27 22:35
DaemonFC	The dynamic power management support in Radeon will be on by default in Linux 3.13.	Dec 27 22:36
DaemonFC	People using Radeon HD 7000 series or higher should switch to a Linux 3.13 pre-release immediately.	Dec 27 22:37
DaemonFC	You can't switch to the higher clock speeds without DPM on those cards, apparently.	Dec 27 22:37
DaemonFC	The older kernels would just put the card in High Performance mode all the time.	Dec 27 22:37
DaemonFC	Noisy, but fast. :P	Dec 27 22:37
DaemonFC	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RawhideKernelNodebug	Dec 27 22:38
TechrightsBot-tr	fedoraproject.org \| RawhideKernelNodebug - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/g9s4f ]	Dec 27 22:38
Sosumi	well that's nice	Dec 27 22:39
Sosumi	and it seems iptables are going away	Dec 27 22:39
DaemonFC	hmmm	Dec 27 22:39
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_goods	Dec 27 22:39
TechrightsBot-tr	en.wikipedia.org \| Veblen good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g9s4l ]	Dec 27 22:39
DaemonFC	The rawhide kernel is still 3.12.5 right now.	Dec 27 22:39
DaemonFC	I guess I could just install the one from Koji for now.	Dec 27 22:42
DaemonFC	The current build has debugging turned off at the moment anyway. :P	Dec 27 22:42
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DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_39_313&num=1	Dec 27 22:51
TechrightsBot-tr	www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Linux 3.9 Through Early Linux 3.13 Kernel Benchmarks [ http://ur1.ca/g9s6i ]	Dec 27 22:51
DaemonFC	Basically, if you're not running Linux 3.12 yet, get it. :)	Dec 27 22:51
MinceR	unless you want to find out if there are any issues :>	Dec 27 22:54
MinceR	i mean, before upgrading	Dec 27 22:54
DaemonFC	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/04/1250949/-Who-Was-the-Last-President-to-Outpoll-Non-Voters	Dec 27 22:55
TechrightsBot-tr	www.dailykos.com \| Daily Kos: Who Was the Last President to Outpoll Non-Voters? [ http://ur1.ca/g9s76 ]	Dec 27 22:56
DaemonFC	"In the last election, voter turnout was only 53.6%. That means that, of the voting age population (VAP), 46.4% did not vote, 27.4% voted for Obama, and 25.3% voted for Romney. That's right. All of that media coverage and money, and Obama didn't even get the votes of 30% of the voting age population (or, if you check, the voting eligible population)."	Dec 27 22:56
DaemonFC	It reminds me of that Saturday Night Live skit in 1997 with the Bill Clinton impersonator thanking the 20-some percent of Americans that voted for him.	Dec 27 22:56
MinceR	i guess humans in general are just too stupid for democracy	Dec 27 22:57
MinceR	and all the other systems we've tried are even worse	Dec 27 22:57
DaemonFC	He started out by saying that he thanked the majority of Americans who voted for him, then he worked his way back to the percentage of registered voters, then the people who actually voted, and came up with something like 23%.	Dec 27 22:57
DaemonFC	Then he worked back from there and threw in all of the people under 18 that can't vote, and thanked the (I'm just going to say) 14% that voted for him.	Dec 27 22:58
DaemonFC	and that he appreciated their show of confidence :)	Dec 27 22:58
DaemonFC	Most people don't vote.	Dec 27 22:59
DaemonFC	In a way, I guess they're voting. By not showing up, they're saying that they don't care what happens, and then when whatever happens happens.	Dec 27 23:00
DaemonFC	The Carlin approach.	Dec 27 23:00
DaemonFC	*and then whatever happens happens.	Dec 27 23:00
MinceR	and then something bad happens and it turns out they had an idea for something better	Dec 27 23:00
DaemonFC	For the most part, I see my vote as, at most, nudging the election towards the less unfavorable outcome.	Dec 27 23:01
DaemonFC	It's going to be bad either way.	Dec 27 23:01
MinceR	hungary is an exception though, the majority seems to enjoy being oppressed in a fundie nazi dictatorship	Dec 27 23:01
DaemonFC	Hungary seems to have more extreme political parties than we do.	Dec 27 23:01
MinceR	yes, we have the extreme communazi parties, the extreme stupid party and the parties nobody cares about	Dec 27 23:02
MinceR	to be fair, nobody cares about the extreme stupid party either	Dec 27 23:02
DaemonFC	The Democrats are bad, the Republicans are worse, and the Tea Party Republicans are insane.	Dec 27 23:03
DaemonFC	So, I vote for Democrats.	Dec 27 23:03
MinceR	i'll vote for the biggest alliance that aims to restore democracy	Dec 27 23:03
MinceR	but it will fail anyway	Dec 27 23:03
DaemonFC	The Tea Party has pretty much gone as far as they could possibly go, and now they're starting to lose seats.	Dec 27 23:04
DaemonFC	The Democrats are at least moderate Keynesians.	Dec 27 23:04
DaemonFC	They don't go far enough. They'll never pass a stimulus program that's big enough, and they'll never propose a full employment plan.	Dec 27 23:05
DaemonFC	The Republicans are split. The "business Republicans" want to slash the safety net, and gorge the military contractors and big business with government handouts.	Dec 27 23:06
DaemonFC	and the Tea Party wants to get rid of the government completely	Dec 27 23:06
DaemonFC	Some businesses like that approach.	Dec 27 23:06
DaemonFC	No regulations. No environmental or labor standards, etc.	Dec 27 23:06
DaemonFC	So really, it's a civil war between businesses that want government handouts, and businesses that want the government to go away and stop bothering them while they dump toxic waste anywhere they please.	Dec 27 23:07
DaemonFC	The Tea Party would turn the United States into Mexico North.	Dec 27 23:07
DaemonFC	We're getting there, but not fast enough for them. :)	Dec 27 23:08
DaemonFC	In Mexico, I'd be considered "the middle class".	Dec 27 23:08
DaemonFC	Pretty soon I'll be "the middle class" here.	Dec 27 23:08
DaemonFC	That's not a good thing. Instead of moving upward into the old American-style middle class, it means that our middle class is being beaten into the ground and eventually will be as broke as I am now.	Dec 27 23:09
DaemonFC	That's exactly what NAFTA was designed to do.	Dec 27 23:10
DaemonFC	The Mexican government has basically said that they have no plans to fix the income inequality that is going on there.	Dec 27 23:10
DaemonFC	They have a hell of a lot of poor people, and a few that are extremely rich.	Dec 27 23:11
DaemonFC	That's what the United States is moving towards.	Dec 27 23:11
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DaemonFC	For many people, it's here now.	Dec 27 23:11
DaemonFC	The United States has gotten so bad, that it's at the point where it's too expensive to send jobs overseas, and companies like Apple are starting to bring them back here.	Dec 27 23:12
DaemonFC	Because they can pay their workers the equivalent of $6.50 (in 2002 dollars) to assemble Mac PCs.	Dec 27 23:12
DaemonFC	I guess it ends when we're at the point where China is outsourcing jobs to the United States and is paying us to accept their toxic waste.	Dec 27 23:13
Sosumi	it's the return of the plantation economy	Dec 27 23:13
DaemonFC	The right-wing economic endgame has always been to destroy labor and give rise to finance. It's been going on since the Reagan 80s, and we're getting very near to the ultimate goal.	Dec 27 23:19
DaemonFC	Banks in the United States are now borrowing money from the Federal Reserve at next to nothing. It's like 0.75%. Then they turn around and lend that money to people at 20-40% compound APR on credit cards, 4-20% for auto loans. It's really hard to get a mortgage right now because banks don't like to have that long term risk. They make a lot of money in the end, if they can convince someone else to buy the risk, but since the housing meltdown	Dec 27 23:22
DaemonFC	happened, that's no longer really much of an option, so there are 22 empty homes for every homeless person in America, and the banks are just sitting on them until they're fit to be torn down, then they let the taxpayers pay to tear them down. It keeps housing prices high, and increases their profits from the people they do approve for mortgages.	Dec 27 23:22
DaemonFC	All of the money that Congress approved for President Obama to spend on keeping people who were victimized by banks in their houses is just sitting there, untouched. He's one of their guys. Basically, he's a Republican that sometimes talks like a Democrat.	Dec 27 23:24
DaemonFC	That's what's really pissing people off, but I don't think they understand that he's not a liberal or a progressive.	Dec 27 23:25
Sosumi	same thing here	Dec 27 23:37
Sosumi	banks bad debt got transfered to the government and it's now sovereign debt, which prompted the bailout	Dec 27 23:38
Sosumi	meanwhile, the other banks are getting money from the ECB at record lows, but instead of actually lending that money, they just sit on it	Dec 27 23:39
Sosumi	and use it to gamble in the derivatives market	Dec 27 23:39
Sosumi	meanwhile, there's no job recovery, small/medium businesses are closing or relocating	Dec 27 23:40
Sosumi	and the entire thing is being paid by a massive taxed burden	Dec 27 23:41
Sosumi	*tax	Dec 27 23:41
Sosumi	and if you're a retiree, you may as well just drop dead	Dec 27 23:41
Sosumi	because the gov after confiscating secondary pensions is already announcing more pension cuts for next year	Dec 27 23:42
Sosumi	not mentioning that they, the retirees, actually discounted during their years on the workforce to actually receive that pension	Dec 27 23:44
Sosumi	because in the way pensions are being put	Dec 27 23:45
Sosumi	both gov and media make them seem like if they are some special favor that social security is doing	Dec 27 23:46
DaemonFC	Social Security in the United States would be easy to fix.	Dec 27 23:48
DaemonFC	They don't want to fix it.	Dec 27 23:48
DaemonFC	It's easier to let it go to hell, then tear it down because it's "broken".	Dec 27 23:48
DaemonFC	It's what the wealthy elite want to do anyway.	Dec 27 23:49
DaemonFC	GNOME Web is now using Webkit2	Dec 27 23:58
DaemonFC	nice	Dec 27 23:58
MinceR	https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1482787_473200592789269_1902900877_n.jpg	Dec 28 00:01
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Sosumi	I've warned countless of times that the pretest here is to deem social security unsustainable and then privatize it	Dec 28 00:27
Sosumi	just like they did with some public hospitals	Dec 28 00:27
Sosumi	but guess what happened after that	Dec 28 00:28
Sosumi	some ended up in need of a bail out	Dec 28 00:28
Sosumi	while others are being restructured	Dec 28 00:28
Sosumi	but here's the bigger catch	Dec 28 00:29
Sosumi	the direction of those hospitals was kept just like it was	Dec 28 00:29
Sosumi	and incompetence, as usual, was rewarded	Dec 28 00:30
DaemonFC	I liked Sprint on Facebook. I don't normally like companies on Facebook, but they've been pretty decent.	Dec 28 00:32
*DaemonFC doesn't miss AT&T at all.		Dec 28 00:32
DaemonFC	I haven't found an area where I don't get at least voice calls and texts. My mom had to borrow my phone twice the other day because we were in AT&T's dead zones. :)	Dec 28 00:33
DaemonFC	They do shut off your data when you're using a Verizon tower though. :P	Dec 28 00:33
Sosumi	well that's nice	Dec 28 00:34
Sosumi	but facebook.......... you know that I kind of hate that company and even more its CEO	Dec 28 00:36
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Sosumi	he's probably one of those guys I'd love to punch all day long	Dec 28 00:36
DaemonFC	http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/opinion/krugman-the-fear-economy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0	Dec 28 00:45
TechrightsBot-tr	myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/g9sli ]	Dec 28 00:45
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DaemonFC	http://business.time.com/2013/12/26/mcdonalds-employee-website-yanked-after-ridicule/?iid=biz-article-mostpop1	Dec 28 03:05
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schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2013/12/28/facebbook-useless/	Dec 28 09:33
TechrightsBot-tr	schestowitz.com \| schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » A Year Without Facebook [ http://ur1.ca/g9um1 ]	Dec 28 09:33
iophk	Netcraft says the site was running M$ IIS, yet the article implies that IBM is to blame...	Dec 28 10:26
iophk	http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/retail/myer-website-down-until-further-notice-20131227-2zz91.html	Dec 28 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr	www.brisbanetimes.com.au \| Myer website down 'until further notice' [ http://ur1.ca/g9uwn ]	Dec 28 10:26
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3457140	Dec 28 10:42
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schestowitz	" miche-miche"	Dec 28 10:42
schestowitz	iophk: IBM installs Windows also	Dec 28 10:42
schestowitz	"	Dec 28 10:43
schestowitz	He said teams from IBM and Myer's information technology division were "working furiously" to fix the problem.	Dec 28 10:43
schestowitz	Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/myer-website-down-until-further-notice-20131227-2zz91.html#ixzz2olVbiwGQ	Dec 28 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr	www.smh.com.au \| Myer website down 'until further notice' [ http://ur1.ca/g9uzn ]	Dec 28 10:43
schestowitz	"	Dec 28 10:43
schestowitz	Does tjay blame IMB?	Dec 28 10:43
schestowitz	That's the only sentence about IBM	Dec 28 10:43
schestowitz	And maybe IBM is migrating the site to system z is something	Dec 28 10:43
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 28 13:47
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Dec 28 16:39
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iophk	old - http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11	Dec 28 16:49
iophk	"That group always seemed to be profitable, but Sherlund says it's largely because of the Android money."	Dec 28 16:49
TechrightsBot-tr	www.businessinsider.com \| Microsoft Earns $2 Billion Per Year From Android Patent Royalties - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/g038h ]	Dec 28 16:49
iophk	with the new re-org, M$ can be hiding a lot of losses using the revenue from Android.	Dec 28 16:49
schestowitz	If there's any at all	Dec 28 17:30
schestowitz	I doubt it	Dec 28 17:30
schestowitz	Sherlund is not credible there	Dec 28 17:30
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/fud-campaign-analysts/	Dec 28 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr	techrights.org \| Nobody Knows How Much — If Anything — Microsoft Is Making From Android/Linux \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05hk ]	Dec 28 17:31
schestowitz	"The Apple I. It was in a nice wooden box."	Dec 28 17:44
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3455381	Dec 28 17:44
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #apple cannot complete, it is trying to ban #linux devices using lies and hype, as well as #patent #protectionism http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/apple-makes-new-bid-for-samsung-sales-ban-20131227-2zzcx.html	Dec 28 17:44
TechrightsBot-tr	-> www.smh.com.au \| Apple makes new bid for Samsung sales ban [ http://ur1.ca/g9uw7 ]	Dec 28 17:44
MinceR	it was in whatever the one who built it from the kit put it in, wasn't it? :>	Dec 28 17:45
schestowitz	iophk: am going to migrate TuxMachines	Dec 28 17:58
schestowitz	Could use help with DB	Dec 28 17:58
iophk	ok	Dec 28 18:01
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DaemonFC	http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/12/28/mark-whittington-china-space/4209223/	Dec 28 21:13
TechrightsBot-tr	www.usatoday.com \| U.S. can still beat China back to moon: Column [ http://ur1.ca/g9xtx ]	Dec 28 21:13
DaemonFC	2 minutes ago · Edited	Dec 28 21:13
DaemonFC	Going back to the moon seems like a wasteful expense and a frivolous use of money. NASA already spent a lot of money on a vanity project to beat the Soviet Union to the moon. (The politicians were more concerned with projecting the United States' image as a superpower than scientific exploration. Ironically, George W. Bush threw away our position as a superpower in less than eight years by spending $10 trillion on war and tax cuts for the ri	Dec 28 21:13
DaemonFC	ch.)	Dec 28 21:13
DaemonFC	The only conceivable reason to return to the moon is because right-wing politicians have eviscerated NASA's budget (Now down to about 0.38% of federal spending) for so long that we not only no longer have a crewed space program, but most of the people who worked on the Apollo and Space Shuttle programs have retired or died. So, we have to backtrack and figure out how to do this again, as a prerequisite to a crewed mission to Mars.	Dec 28 21:13
DaemonFC	I've seen several realistic proposals for how we could colonize Mars.	Dec 28 21:13
DaemonFC	We might need to do that if we don't get our act together before Earth is a dead planet*, so the expense is justifiable.	Dec 28 21:13
DaemonFC	*Probably less than 100 years unless we switch to sustainable development and population growth in time.	Dec 28 21:14
Sosumi	so, how are you guys spending your last day of the year?	Dec 28 21:24
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MinceR	resting, eating, drinking, reading	Dec 28 21:26
Sosumi	no partying?	Dec 28 21:26
MinceR	listening to music, looking up stuff for a project	Dec 28 21:27
MinceR	it's a pretty good party, i'd say :>	Dec 28 21:27
Sosumi	:)	Dec 28 21:28
DaemonFC	I'll probably go to Bandidos and pig out, and have a couple of margaritas.	Dec 28 21:28
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 21:28
Sosumi	apparently everyone forgot about me, so I'll just be preparing for the finals and finishing the last project of the semester	Dec 28 21:33
Sosumi	but I guess I'll forget about them next year	Dec 28 21:33
DaemonFC	shared a link via Jezebel.	Dec 28 21:35
DaemonFC	8 seconds ago	Dec 28 21:35
DaemonFC	http://trib.al/Guv2yoX	Dec 28 21:35
TechrightsBot-tr	jezebel.com \| Teens Loathe Facebook Because of All the Old People and Baby Pics	Dec 28 21:35
DaemonFC	Having a baby is not an accomplishment, nor is it particularly difficult. Even some fish can do it. I don't like reading the birth announcements in newspapers, because they aren't interesting, and they fuel natalist pressure which leads to the destruction of the environment. I find the obituaries to be much more interesting to read.	Dec 28 21:35
DaemonFC	(paraphrasing Richard Stallman)	Dec 28 21:35
Sosumi	ppl creating facebook picts for children or pets	Dec 28 21:36
MinceR	he's right.	Dec 28 21:36
Sosumi	kind of resemble that movie "Final Cut"	Dec 28 21:37
Sosumi	in which you'd get a brain implant at birth that'd record your entire life	Dec 28 21:37
Sosumi	so that when you died, a "cutter", would make a movie about your life to show at the funeral	Dec 28 21:38
Sosumi	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364343/	Dec 28 21:38
TechrightsBot-tr	www.imdb.com \| The Final Cut (2004) - IMDb	Dec 28 21:38
DaemonFC	shared a link via Daily Kos.	Dec 28 21:38
DaemonFC	19 minutes ago ·	Dec 28 21:39
DaemonFC	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/23/1264955/-This-graph-shows-why-solar-power-will-take-over-the-world?detail=facebook	Dec 28 21:39
TechrightsBot-tr	www.dailykos.com \| Daily Kos: This graph shows why solar power will take over the world [ http://ur1.ca/g9xwk ]	Dec 28 21:39
DaemonFC	The right-wing bribery organization known as ALEC is already telling the Republicans to pass laws that fine people for installing solar panels on their own rooftops.	Dec 28 21:39
DaemonFC	So much for freedom and liberty, huh?	Dec 28 21:39
DaemonFC	If I owned my own home, I'd be calling Solar City and having them install panels on my roof.	Dec 28 21:39
DaemonFC	You know...	Dec 28 21:39
Sosumi	lawl, you know....	Dec 28 21:39
DaemonFC	Rand Paul went on a 20 minute speech about the government requiring water-efficient toilets.	Dec 28 21:39
Sosumi	if solar panels do indeed take hold	Dec 28 21:39
DaemonFC	He said that people should be able to choose what kind of toilet goes into their bathroom.	Dec 28 21:39
MinceR	well, it's their idol Ronnie Raygun who removed the solar panels from the White House	Dec 28 21:39
MinceR	so no surprise there	Dec 28 21:40
DaemonFC	Now he's saying that he wants to stop people and private businesses from installing solar panels and wind turbines	Dec 28 21:40
Sosumi	they'll start taxing you for every watt of electricity you produce for your own use	Dec 28 21:40
DaemonFC	:/	Dec 28 21:40
Sosumi	just like they do in spain	Dec 28 21:40
MinceR	it's sad that about half of usians still take the republicans seriously	Dec 28 21:40
Sosumi	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24272061	Dec 28 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr	www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - Spain’s sunshine toll: Row over proposed solar tax [ http://ur1.ca/g9xx0 ]	Dec 28 21:41
Sosumi	http://www.aljazeera.com/video/europe/2013/10/spain-approves-tax-solar-panels-20131088950355608.html	Dec 28 21:41
TechrightsBot-tr	www.aljazeera.com \| Spain approves tax on solar panels - Europe - Al Jazeera English [ http://ur1.ca/g9xx7 ]	Dec 28 21:41
Sosumi	in Spain, they tax the "daylights" out of you	Dec 28 21:42
DaemonFC	Does anyone know if Windows Phone lets you install Firefox?	Dec 28 21:42
DaemonFC	I know iPhones don't allow that.	Dec 28 21:42
Sosumi	no idea	Dec 28 21:42
DaemonFC	I'm just curious. Facebook is posting Windows phone ads.	Dec 28 21:43
Sosumi	I've never seen a windows phone around	Dec 28 21:43
DaemonFC	If a phone doesn't allow Firefox, then I don't want the phone. Period. End of discussion. :)	Dec 28 21:43
MinceR	it's not a real firefox	Dec 28 21:43
MinceR	it uses the ie "engine" on winblows phony	Dec 28 21:43
DaemonFC	Seriously? Ewww.	Dec 28 21:43
MinceR	just like on hypeOS	Dec 28 21:43
Sosumi	facepalm	Dec 28 21:43
DaemonFC	No, Apple booted out Firefox Home, which wasn't even a browser.	Dec 28 21:43
MinceR	ic	Dec 28 21:43
DaemonFC	Mozilla said they won't make an iOS version until Apple allow them to use Gecko.	Dec 28 21:44
MinceR	m$ is really desperate to force that shitty excuse for a browser on people	Dec 28 21:44
MinceR	since no sane person wants to use it	Dec 28 21:44
DaemonFC	Apple told them they could make a Firefox app as long as it was really Safari underneath.	Dec 28 21:44
DaemonFC	Mozilla declined, and said it was because it wouldn't really be Firefox and they couldn't really claim to support the system Webkit or fix problems with it.	Dec 28 21:44
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 21:44
DaemonFC	So, I don't know why they'd use Trident on Windows Phone.	Dec 28 21:44
MinceR	:)	Dec 28 21:44
MinceR	http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/firefox/6544df57-dd9c-4a61-bf89-9ba3832b849c	Dec 28 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr	www.windowsphone.com \| Firefox \| Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States) [ http://ur1.ca/g9xxk ]	Dec 28 21:45
MinceR	this is what i've found	Dec 28 21:45
MinceR	dunno if it's fake	Dec 28 21:45
DaemonFC	There's a lot of Android browsers that use the system Webkit, but Firefox doesn't.	Dec 28 21:45
MinceR	"This app is no longer published", though	Dec 28 21:45
DaemonFC	Neither does Opera.	Dec 28 21:45
DaemonFC	Opera brings along its own Webkit.	Dec 28 21:45
MinceR	opera switched to khtml too	Dec 28 21:45
DaemonFC	Google allows that too.	Dec 28 21:45
MinceR	oh, its own	Dec 28 21:45
DaemonFC	Yeah, it's webkit, but it's Opera's webkit, not the system webkit.	Dec 28 21:45
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3457399	Dec 28 21:46
TechrightsBot-tr	@linux@joindiaspora.com: Not just Ubuntu: All GNU Linux Distributions Store Wi-Fi Passwords in Plain Text If You Don’t Use Encryption http://news.softpedia.com/news/All-Linux-Distributions-Store-Wi-Fi-Passwords-in-Plain-Text-If-You-Don-t-Use-Encryption-412387.shtml	Dec 28 21:46
TechrightsBot-tr	-> news.softpedia.com \| All Linux Distributions Store Wi-Fi Passwords in Plain Text If You Don’t Use Encryption [ http://ur1.ca/g9w5v ]	Dec 28 21:46
schestowitz	"The problem is not GNU/Linux distributions, is NetworkManager"	Dec 28 21:46
DaemonFC	I don't see a problem with that. It should be allowed. App developers can't fix problems that occur in the system webkit, so they shouldn't have to use it.	Dec 28 21:46
DaemonFC	If they want to take responsibility for what their app does, they should have the choice.	Dec 28 21:46
MinceR	i doubt that all GNU/Linux distributions ship with NetworkManager	Dec 28 21:47
MinceR	TinyCore didn't have it, iirc	Dec 28 21:47
MinceR	at least not by default	Dec 28 21:47
MinceR	neither did Angstrom	Dec 28 21:47
DaemonFC	Firefox for Android is Gecko. Opera is using its own webkit. Chrome uses its own webkit. Browser uses system webkit. Dolphin uses the system webkit.	Dec 28 21:47
MinceR	so that's yet another bullshit FUD headline	Dec 28 21:47
DaemonFC	It took me a while to figure all of this out.	Dec 28 21:48
DaemonFC	I like Gecko better than Webkit in general.	Dec 28 21:48
DaemonFC	Though webkit has gotten better...	Dec 28 21:48
MinceR	so do i	Dec 28 21:48
MinceR	gecko doesn't crash nearly as often	Dec 28 21:48
DaemonFC	GNOME Web with the latest GTK Webkit and Webkit 2 enabled is very nice.	Dec 28 21:48
DaemonFC	Yeah, Webkit crashes sometimes, but with Webkit 2 enabled, it only crashes one tab.	Dec 28 21:48
DaemonFC	So, GNOME Web is more like Chrome now.	Dec 28 21:49
DaemonFC	in that aspect	Dec 28 21:49
MinceR	for me it tended to take the browser with itself	Dec 28 21:49
MinceR	and in the case of crashium, the kernel	Dec 28 21:49
DaemonFC	Well, Firefox crashes take out the whole browser, but Firefox crashing is rare these days, and it has a recovery system so it's more of a nuisance than a real problem.	Dec 28 21:50
DaemonFC	It will even recover text you entered in entry fields.	Dec 28 21:50
DaemonFC	I like GNOME Web and Firefox. They're both good browsers.	Dec 28 21:50
DaemonFC	Firefox is definitely easier to customize, but GNOME Web is easier to use. I like the option "Enable web advertisements" as a checkbox in the settings menu by default.	Dec 28 21:51
DaemonFC	Firefox is never going to do that.	Dec 28 21:51
DaemonFC	Instead of that stupid-ass "DNT" thing.	Dec 28 21:51
DaemonFC	How about not loading ads and tracking sites in the first place?	Dec 28 21:51
DaemonFC	Adblock Edge is the way to go, but it should be built into the browser.	Dec 28 21:52
DaemonFC	The setup wizard should ask the user on first start if they even want to see ads.	Dec 28 21:52
DaemonFC	I guess that anyone would be free to fork Firefox and build in some of the more useful extensions.	Dec 28 21:53
DaemonFC	Many users that come from browsers like Safari or IE don't even know that Adblock Edge exists.	Dec 28 21:53
DaemonFC	When I set up Firefox for Dave, I put in Adblock Edge, and showed him how much more pleasant it was to use than IE.	Dec 28 21:53
DaemonFC	He's been using Firefox for a couple of years now.	Dec 28 21:54
DaemonFC	Thanks to GNOME Web, I was able to quit using Flash and remove it.	Dec 28 21:54
DaemonFC	Eventually, Fedora will probably build Firefox to play h264 if gstreamer supports it.	Dec 28 21:54
DaemonFC	They said they wanted to wait until upstream was using gstreamer 1.x	Dec 28 21:55
MinceR	doesn't it support the cisco blob yet?	Dec 28 21:55
DaemonFC	I don't know. The upstream build of Firefox 26 plays h264.	Dec 28 21:55
DaemonFC	They just use the system gstreamer.	Dec 28 21:55
DaemonFC	The Fedora build of Firefox is just faster and more secure.	Dec 28 21:56
DaemonFC	Upstream builds theirs with an old gcc, without the security options turned on, and on a RHEL clone, with static linked libraries.	Dec 28 21:56
DaemonFC	It's like proprietary software companies would distribute software.	Dec 28 21:57
DaemonFC	It works, but Fedora is always building Firefox better than upstream does.	Dec 28 21:57
MinceR	https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/970674	Dec 28 21:57
DaemonFC	It is better integrated into the system. It uses shared libraries and the latest gcc, with all of the security options of gcc turned on.	Dec 28 21:58
TechrightsBot-tr	support.mozilla.org \| Firefox support for Windows Phone 8 \| Firefox Support Forum \| Mozilla Support [ http://ur1.ca/g9xyx ]	Dec 28 21:58
DaemonFC	And it's sandboxed with selinux.	Dec 28 21:58
MinceR	free software is banned from m$'s overpriced paperweights	Dec 28 21:58
MinceR	(and iirc it's also banned from crApple's randomly set timebombs)	Dec 28 21:58
DaemonFC	I'll just use Android until the next cell phone upgrade.	Dec 28 21:58
DaemonFC	Then I'll see if I can get a Firefox Phone.	Dec 28 21:58
DaemonFC	For now, Android is the best option available.	Dec 28 21:59
DaemonFC	I do like the overall design goal of Firefox Phone better.	Dec 28 21:59
MinceR	i hope Tizen succeeds in some meaningful way	Dec 28 21:59
DaemonFC	Android is not the best option for a mobile OS, it's just the only option.	Dec 28 22:00
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 22:00
DaemonFC	I mean, really, what else are you going to choose? Windows? iOS?	Dec 28 22:00
DaemonFC	Garbage, totally proprietary, locking out competing software....	Dec 28 22:01
DaemonFC	Those aren't really an option for me.	Dec 28 22:01
MinceR	well, it's the only smartphone OS that isn't dead, apparently	Dec 28 22:01
DaemonFC	Android?	Dec 28 22:02
DaemonFC	iOS is still used. It's in decline though.	Dec 28 22:02
DaemonFC	Most of the people using it are not buying new devices, they just still have an iPhone 4 or something that they bought years ago.	Dec 28 22:03
DaemonFC	More and more of the newly activated devices are Android.	Dec 28 22:03
MinceR	android	Dec 28 22:03
DaemonFC	So, I think that as time goes on, and those old iPhones fail, more people will migrate to Android.	Dec 28 22:03
MinceR	hypeOS is not a smartphone OS.	Dec 28 22:03
DaemonFC	People are still using them because they already paid for them and they still work.	Dec 28 22:03
DaemonFC	It's the same reason Windows XP is still around, even though Windows 8/8.1 are out and people aren't buying it.	Dec 28 22:04
DaemonFC	There's still a lot of Windows XP machines out there that people have already paid for, that work "well enough".	Dec 28 22:05
DaemonFC	So, when those fail, they buy non-Windows devices, and Windows goes into decline.	Dec 28 22:05
DaemonFC	We're dealing with legacy constipation right now.	Dec 28 22:05
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 22:05
DaemonFC	with Windows XP and old iPhones.	Dec 28 22:05
DaemonFC	Whatever people choose today is something they'll still be using in 4-5 years until it just doesn't work anymore.	Dec 28 22:06
DaemonFC	So, Apple's decline will be much like the decline of Internet Explorer.	Dec 28 22:06
MinceR	in that case, i wonder what shenanigans will crApple try to force us to use their crap.	Dec 28 22:07
DaemonFC	It's already starting, MinceR.	Dec 28 22:07
MinceR	i'm guessing they'll try to buy and ruin all the remaining free software projects after CUPS.	Dec 28 22:08
DaemonFC	They launched the iPhone 5c, which is garbage at a price point that Walmart shoppers can afford.	Dec 28 22:08
MinceR	it's still massively overpriced	Dec 28 22:08
DaemonFC	Then they funded a promotion that actually paid people to take them.	Dec 28 22:08
DaemonFC	They marked them down to $49 with a 2 year contract, and then Apple themselves funded the $75 gift card you got for Walmart if you bought one.	Dec 28 22:09
MinceR	it still costs a magnitude more than an entry-level smartphone	Dec 28 22:09
DaemonFC	So they were paying people $26 to take the phone.	Dec 28 22:09
MinceR	even though it's inferior to all of them in every way	Dec 28 22:09
DaemonFC	Well, if you're in the budget phone market right now, the Moto G is the thing to get.	Dec 28 22:09
DaemonFC	They're usually free with a contract, or $199 unlocked.	Dec 28 22:10
MinceR	i think telcos are giving smartphones away "free" now	Dec 28 22:10
DaemonFC	And they're the best dub-$200 phone on the market right now	Dec 28 22:11
MinceR	(of course, on the long run, it's going to cost the customer plenty)	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	Yeah. Sprint has the best deal.	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	$80 a month for unlimited everything.	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	That's not bad for a contract phone.	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	AT&T with 1 GB of monthly data starts at $110.	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	Then each GB you go over is $15, or you can add data to the plan for $10 per GB per month.	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	So they'd charge someone like me a minimum of $140-150 for the way I use my Sprint phone.	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	And Sprint's network is pretty damned good for what you're paying.	Dec 28 22:11
DaemonFC	It might not be quite as good as the others, but it's damned close, and it's basically half price.	Dec 28 22:12
DaemonFC	I get 4GLTE in most areas, and it's FAST.	Dec 28 22:12
MinceR	so do i	Dec 28 22:12
MinceR	well, not sure if it's 'most areas' yet	Dec 28 22:12
DaemonFC	Well, I figure that if their network is 90% as good for half the price, that it's a good deal in the end.	Dec 28 22:12
MinceR	but it's still a surprise after my telco said they aren't supporting LTE on phones at all.	Dec 28 22:12
DaemonFC	And they're still upgrading areas to LTE.	Dec 28 22:12
DaemonFC	Pretty quickly...	Dec 28 22:13
MinceR	and one day it just started letting me use LTE.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	I had 4G LTE for most of our trip to Ohio a few weeks ago.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	Even out in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by a wind farm.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	That was impressive.	Dec 28 22:13
MinceR	funny enough, i noticed that i got LTE service first on a mountain in budapest.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	Sprint supports LTE, WiMax, and 3G networks.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	on all of their new phones, at least.	Dec 28 22:13
DaemonFC	And they use all three standards on their network. It's kind of a mess.	Dec 28 22:14
DaemonFC	But it works, so what the hell? :)	Dec 28 22:14
DaemonFC	I've seen my phone use LTE, WiMax, and 3G on Sprint towers.	Dec 28 22:14
MinceR	i didn't know phones could use WiMax	Dec 28 22:14
DaemonFC	LTE and WiMax are both very fast. 3G isn't terrible.	Dec 28 22:14
DaemonFC	Yeah. Sprint started out with WiMax, and then switched over to LTE.	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	So there's still some areas where you get WiMax because it's what they were building before they changed their minds.	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	It works, and they've already paid for it, so they're leaving it alone.	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 28 22:15
DaemonFC	So their phones support LTE and WiMax.	Dec 28 22:16
DaemonFC	The user doesn't really need to care.	Dec 28 22:16
DaemonFC	They're both very fast.	Dec 28 22:16
DaemonFC	It's like when 56K modems were released, and you had competing standards.	Dec 28 22:16
MinceR	i don't think my phone supports WiMAX.	Dec 28 22:17
DaemonFC	ISPs would support K56Flex, V.90, and X2	Dec 28 22:17
DaemonFC	So, the modems for your PC just supported all of them, and then you had 56K no matter which standard your ISP supported.	Dec 28 22:17
DaemonFC	My ISP at the time supported K56Flex on one of their local numbers, and v.90 on the other one.	Dec 28 22:18
DaemonFC	I dialed into the K56Flex until the V.90 number was available.	Dec 28 22:18
DaemonFC	MinceR, Most don't.	Dec 28 22:18
MinceR	i don't know which ones my modem supported	Dec 28 22:18
DaemonFC	The LG G2 only supports WiMax if you buy it from Sprint.	Dec 28 22:18
DaemonFC	Everyone else that uses those towers gets 3G.	Dec 28 22:19
DaemonFC	Like, customers of other companies that are roaming on a Sprint tower, or people that bought unlocked phones.	Dec 28 22:19
DaemonFC	My phone also supports text and phone calls over wifi.	Dec 28 22:20
DaemonFC	So if I'm in a restaurant and can't get a signal, I can hop onto their free wifi and make calls and texts over that.	Dec 28 22:20
DaemonFC	That feature is mostly for people on other carriers though, that want to save their minutes.	Dec 28 22:21
DaemonFC	But I have unlimited minutes, so there's no reason to do that unless I can't get a signal.	Dec 28 22:21
Sosumi	I'll tell you the truth	Dec 28 22:25
Sosumi	I haven't seen and iphone past the 4s	Dec 28 22:25
DaemonFC	There's cheaper ways to get unlimited, but they do nasty things to you.	Dec 28 22:26
DaemonFC	Like Straight Talk for $45 a month, but you get second rate phones and third rate service.	Dec 28 22:26
DaemonFC	They don't actually want to turn around and pay the other carriers for unlimited, so they throttle you after 2.5 GB and then you're at 2G speed for the rest of the month.	Dec 28 22:27
DaemonFC	And the data coverage is spotty, so Tim has to connect to my wifi or his data barely even works at my apartment, even though he's using the same tower I am.	Dec 28 22:27
Sosumi	samsung phones happen to be the norm around here	Dec 28 22:27
MinceR	Sosumi: they're all the same	Dec 28 22:27
MinceR	i mean, hypePhones	Dec 28 22:28
Sosumi	and talking of samsung, one of the major retailers has 20% discount on all note 3 and galaxy s4	Dec 28 22:28
Sosumi	to the end of the year	Dec 28 22:28
Sosumi	http://www.fnac.pt/n284571/Precos-Minimos/Tecnologia/Smartphones-Samsung#bl=HGTELECblo1	Dec 28 22:28
TechrightsBot-tr	( status 400 @ http://www.fnac.pt/n284571/Precos-Minimos/Tecnologia/Smartphones-Samsung#bl=HGTELECblo1 )	Dec 28 22:28
DaemonFC	If you use a lot of data, Smart Talk disconnects your service and bans your phone.	Dec 28 22:28
DaemonFC	So you can't re-activate that phone, even though you paid $300 for the phone!	Dec 28 22:29
DaemonFC	So it's not unlimited. There's a limit, they just don't tell you what it is.	Dec 28 22:29
MinceR	that's not very Smart	Dec 28 22:29
MinceR	for some reason, ISPs seem to be fond of secret limits	Dec 28 22:29
DaemonFC	Yeah. They say unlimited, then in the fine print, they say they reserve the right to throw you off if you use it "excessively".	Dec 28 22:34
DaemonFC	Of course, there's no definition of excessive, so you don't know what that means.	Dec 28 22:34
DaemonFC	Comcast says that the "normal" usage of their customers is only like 5-6 GB a month. I don't know what these people are doing, but I use that in two or three days.	Dec 28 22:35
DaemonFC	Even watching a few Youtube videos per day, checking email, and browsing will use more than 5-6 GB a month.	Dec 28 22:35
MinceR	the telcos here like to define a set of protocols/services they happen to like	Dec 28 22:36
MinceR	and they punish you for using anything else	Dec 28 22:36
MinceR	that's why i haven't switched packages for a long time	Dec 28 22:36
MinceR	i don't know which one would be a less of a pain in the ass, if any of them would be	Dec 28 22:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3458229	Dec 28 22:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Rephrasing of the previous tweet: carriers were so eager to get their bribes from #cia that they made their customers insecure by design	Dec 28 22:45
schestowitz	"Gotchya. I saw the reference to "prior tweet" which made me kind of wonder. The brevity and volume of your posts has me tending to mute you. My general preference is for lower volume and higher relevance, and your content tends to dominate my stream otherwise."	Dec 28 22:45
schestowitz	I have posted short items in identica since 2009 and then expanded in my sites. It's mostly about the links really. Long posts I compose separately.	Dec 28 22:46
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Sosumi	not good for the mactards,	Dec 28 23:30
Sosumi	crossfired d700 perform as good as a single gtx680 on battlefield 4 maxed at 4k	Dec 28 23:31
Sosumi	the things I've been mentioning about the PSU have probably been confirmed	Dec 28 23:34
Sosumi	probably just there isn't enough juice to power the thing	Dec 28 23:35
oiaohm	Sosumi: exactly how is it not good for mactards.	Dec 28 23:36
oiaohm	Sosumi: they have lived with under powered video cards for so long now so what is the difference to them.	Dec 28 23:37
Sosumi	because now they have even less arguments against me, at least	Dec 28 23:37
Sosumi	in the flame wars with my colleagues	Dec 28 23:37
Sosumi	and some teachers	Dec 28 23:38
MinceR	it has the logo on it, isn't that enough for them?	Dec 28 23:43
MinceR	also, doesn't the RDF make them believe they've won all the arguments?	Dec 28 23:44
Sosumi	they could always put a sticker or laser engrave it on some third party box	Dec 28 23:44
Sosumi	RDF?	Dec 28 23:44
MinceR	Reality Distortion Field	Dec 28 23:45
Sosumi	don't worry, I can create a dirac sea of infinite negativity that will void all kinds of RDFs	Dec 28 23:47
MinceR	:)	Dec 28 23:48

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