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| msb | Unfortunately, it's the people with little money who are the targets of the political liars and swindlers, because the poor/middle are numerous and cast most of the votes. | Mar 02 01:26 |
| msb | So the wealthy liars are going to make their content free. | Mar 02 01:27 |
| msb | Their media lying and swindling is how they stay in power. | Mar 02 01:28 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm glad I did my shopping this morning. | Mar 02 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | There's freezing rain outside right now. :P | Mar 02 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | uggh | Mar 02 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | I probably couldn't get my car anywhere right now if I wanted to. | Mar 02 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | Referring a gay person to a "conversion therapist" (discredited pseudo-scientific religious bunk) is an act of hate. All those "ex-gay" programs do is teach people to hate themselves over a fact of life. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | Being gay is a fact of life. Like being six feet tall or having blue eyes. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | She shouldn't have been told to attend a "remediation program". She should have been fired immediately. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | It would be nice if there was a remediation program for Fundamentalist Christians which could successfully convert them into human beings. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | But, you have to want to improve, and they don't. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | "As a manager at Walmart, I fired one person for calling me a ****ot. My store manager backed me up. I fought her unemployment case and won. " | Mar 02 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | "What's really funny is that the woman I fired used Walmart as a job reference. | Mar 02 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | I told them "she was fired over an integrity issue". | Mar 02 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | That usually means stealing. I got like 5-6 calls wanting references and I kept telling them that." | Mar 02 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/vladimir-putin-crimean-coup-russia-ukraine | Mar 02 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Crimean coup is payback by Putin for Ukraine's revolution | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/gqd3n ] | Mar 02 08:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUb2OJn1rgY | Mar 02 11:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Family Guy Deleted Scene | DownSyndrome Neo-Nazi | HD - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqdv8 ] | Mar 02 11:17 | |
| MinceR | https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1939990_10152268391438293_863846184_n.jpg | Mar 02 12:04 |
| gde33 | msb: The liars<msb> So the wealthy liars are going to make their content free. <msb> Their media lying and swindling is how they stay in power. | Mar 02 12:08 |
| gde33 | I'm not so sure that would work as well as it does at the moment. | Mar 02 12:08 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 02 12:47 |
| MinceR | https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1794731_1469697196578376_629768553_n.jpg | Mar 02 12:56 |
| Sosumi | I'd rather have russia visiting me | Mar 02 13:29 |
| Sosumi | than some US/nato fascistoids | Mar 02 13:29 |
| Sosumi | or some british inbred lunatics | Mar 02 13:30 |
| Sosumi | aka the royal parasites and supporting "nobility" | Mar 02 13:31 |
| Sosumi | *cough* baroness Ashton *cough* | Mar 02 13:31 |
| Sosumi | didn't vote for her | Mar 02 13:31 |
| Sosumi | yet she's there at the EU dictating foreign policy | Mar 02 13:31 |
| MinceR | russia isn't fascist? cool story bro :> | Mar 02 13:32 |
| Sosumi | when was the last time I've seen russia imposing regime change in other countries? | Mar 02 13:33 |
| Sosumi | what I have to say is when you see russia being the good guy | Mar 02 13:33 |
| MinceR | 1956? | Mar 02 13:33 |
| Sosumi | you know the everything's FUBAR | Mar 02 13:34 |
| MinceR | when do i see russia being the good guy? | Mar 02 13:34 |
| Sosumi | defending syria | Mar 02 13:34 |
| Sosumi | being a balance force vs the PNAC policies | Mar 02 13:34 |
| Sosumi | and yes they were also suplying later after the US alongside with china | Mar 02 13:35 |
| Sosumi | weapons to the insurgents in the now former portuguese colonies | Mar 02 13:35 |
| MinceR | good thing annexation isn't 'regime change', eh? :> | Mar 02 13:36 |
| Sosumi | you mean the anexation of ukraine and crimea? | Mar 02 13:37 |
| Sosumi | the ukranians themselves are the ones raising russian flags | Mar 02 13:37 |
| Sosumi | and the military forces are defecting voluntarily | Mar 02 13:37 |
| MinceR | i wonder which ukrainians, exactly | Mar 02 13:38 |
| MinceR | after all, who called the russians into hungary in 1956 was technically hungarian... | Mar 02 13:38 |
| Sosumi | the ones who don't want to submit to IMF rule | Mar 02 13:38 |
| MinceR | is IMF rule comparable to russian rule? | Mar 02 13:38 |
| Sosumi | nor wanting to see their country becoming a little china in the middle of europe | Mar 02 13:38 |
| Sosumi | IMF rule is a rule of austerity | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | and stagnation | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | see portugal | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | everything came to crawl after the rescue | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | there's nothing going on | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | no development | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | 0 new infrastructure | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | massive cuts in education | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | sorry but for me | Mar 02 13:40 |
| Sosumi | a big bomb at the IMF headquarters any day | Mar 02 13:40 |
| MinceR | so enforcing a policy of austerity is the same thing as taking over a country | Mar 02 13:40 |
| MinceR | interesting idea | Mar 02 13:40 |
| Sosumi | it kind of is | Mar 02 13:40 |
| Sosumi | you're taking a country economicaly | Mar 02 13:41 |
| Sosumi | instead of an army at your doorstep | Mar 02 13:41 |
| Sosumi | you have some folks in a suit | Mar 02 13:41 |
| Sosumi | with a backpack filled with papers | Mar 02 13:41 |
| Sosumi | just too bad that the portuguese are way too pacific | Mar 02 13:42 |
| Sosumi | otherwise the IMF guys would have been kicked out of here long time ago | Mar 02 13:43 |
| Sosumi | actually | Mar 02 13:43 |
| Sosumi | I call the typical portuguese as some sort of ignorant twat that as long as he has beer and football | Mar 02 13:44 |
| Sosumi | everything is ok | Mar 02 13:44 |
| Sosumi | no matter if everything is burning around him | Mar 02 13:44 |
| MinceR | i doubt they're nearly as ignorant as the typical hungarian | Mar 02 13:44 |
| Sosumi | never been to hungary, so can't tell | Mar 02 13:45 |
| MinceR | it's enough to see how hungarians decided to discard democracy in favor of dictatorship | Mar 02 13:45 |
| MinceR | on their own | Mar 02 13:45 |
| Sosumi | just like the americans voted Obozo twice? the british call a monarchy a democracy | Mar 02 13:46 |
| Sosumi | or the portuguese giving two mandates to former PM Jose Socrates | Mar 02 13:47 |
| MinceR | usians can still replace their government as easily as before | Mar 02 13:47 |
| MinceR | the british are ignorant | Mar 02 13:47 |
| Sosumi | and then voting the fascistoid Passos Coelho in | Mar 02 13:47 |
| Sosumi | of the same party as the maoist Barroso | Mar 02 13:47 |
| Sosumi | and when you have the collusions in between the the portuguese intelligence services (lol) and private investment firms | Mar 02 13:49 |
| Sosumi | like the ongoing investment group | Mar 02 13:50 |
| Sosumi | !google ongoing sis sied | Mar 02 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Diretor do SIED terá passado informação antes de sair - Expresso.pt | http://expresso.sapo.pt/diretor-do-sied-tera-passado-informacao-antes-de-sair%3Df730233 | Mar 02 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Portuguese Intelligence Agency head could return to Macau | http://www.macaudailytimes.com.mo/macau/40507-portuguese-intelligence-agency-head-could-return-to-macau.html | Mar 02 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Legislation | Geral - cfsirp | http://www.cfsirp.pt/en/Geral/legislation.html | Mar 02 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Wild Bill Hickok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Bill_Hickok | Mar 02 13:50 |
| Sosumi | which also has ties to the portucale group responsible for the BPN bail outs | Mar 02 13:51 |
| Sosumi | aka debt transfer | Mar 02 13:51 |
| Sosumi | from the private sector to the public sector | Mar 02 13:51 |
| Sosumi | but hey no one is asking for their heads | Mar 02 13:51 |
| msb | The US cannot easily vote out a fascist president. The Republicans are openly fascist, and the Democrats are fascists who claim they're liberals but never act like it economically. They allow GLBT and abortion rights, but that's all. | Mar 02 14:09 |
| Sosumi | no | Mar 02 14:09 |
| Sosumi | they distract you with LGBT and abortion rights | Mar 02 14:10 |
| msb | We have a two-party system, and both are fascist economically and in foreign policy and military intervention/invasion. | Mar 02 14:10 |
| MinceR | there are other parties and voters could vote for them if they cared | Mar 02 14:10 |
| Sosumi | "if" | Mar 02 14:11 |
| msb | Exactly -- the LGBT and abortion rights are just a distraction, a liberal disguise. | Mar 02 14:11 |
| MinceR | of course they won't as long as they believe that the democrats are different from the republicans | Mar 02 14:11 |
| Sosumi | that is why democracy doesn't work | Mar 02 14:11 |
| MinceR | because the people don't care | Mar 02 14:11 |
| MinceR | democracy can't work that way | Mar 02 14:11 |
| MinceR | (and no other system can either) | Mar 02 14:11 |
| Sosumi | "if" only they cared... | Mar 02 14:11 |
| msb | The people don't know because the corporate media totally lie to them, and that's where they get their info. | Mar 02 14:11 |
| MinceR | they have access to non-corporate media | Mar 02 14:12 |
| msb | Many care, but they have no idea what's going on. | Mar 02 14:12 |
| Sosumi | and since when was the role of the media to tell the truth? | Mar 02 14:12 |
| Sosumi | they just tell what fits the interests of their parent companies | Mar 02 14:12 |
| Sosumi | and if it is a state owned channel | Mar 02 14:12 |
| msb | Unless they go to the Web, the usians hear only lies. | Mar 02 14:12 |
| MinceR | most usians have access to the web, do they not? | Mar 02 14:13 |
| Sosumi | ofc it'll prattle the views of the interests vested in the public offcie | Mar 02 14:13 |
| MinceR | (for now) | Mar 02 14:13 |
| Sosumi | *office | Mar 02 14:13 |
| MinceR | now that net neutrality is gone, it's only a question of time for them to lose access | Mar 02 14:13 |
| msb | Amazingly, one of the public TV channels carries Russia Today for 30 or 60 minutes on weekdays. | Mar 02 14:14 |
| msb | MinceR: That may be true. It's certainly why net neutrality was killed. | Mar 02 14:15 |
| msb | Most usians don't even know about alternative news sources on the Web. | Mar 02 14:17 |
| msb | Of course the corporate TV, radio, and newspapers never mention it. | Mar 02 14:17 |
| msb | My mother and a friend around here don't use their computers, and both think that the US and Israel protect democracy in other countries. | Mar 02 14:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 14:19 |
| Sosumi | you don't even need a computer to learn about british zionism | Mar 02 14:19 |
| Sosumi | just go to a library and pick up a book | Mar 02 14:19 |
| Sosumi | nor to learn that the ashkanasi jewri are eastern europeans | Mar 02 14:20 |
| msb | Yeah, but it has to be the right book. Actually, I only know about jewish zionism. | Mar 02 14:20 |
| Sosumi | the real semites are the arabs | Mar 02 14:20 |
| Sosumi | you know | Mar 02 14:20 |
| msb | Apparently genetic studies vary on that. | Mar 02 14:20 |
| MinceR | some of the jews are semites too | Mar 02 14:20 |
| Sosumi | those guys that kind of look like gypsies in their skin tone | Mar 02 14:21 |
| Sosumi | not the snow white princesses | Mar 02 14:21 |
| msb | Yes. The sephardics. The ashkenazis treat them as "niggers". | Mar 02 14:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 14:22 |
| msb | They were the victims -- the Ringworm Children -- of huge X-ray irradiation overdoses to the head done by the Israelis, instigated by the US govt to find the effects of radiation. Thousands were killed outright, and the rest suffered seizures, cancers, etc. | Mar 02 14:23 |
| msb | MinceR: As long as you confuse the concepts of "authoritarians" and "fascists", and as long as your mind is back in 1956, you won't be able to comprehend that the "neo"-Nazis that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc. They are actual Nazis. | Mar 02 14:27 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Mar 02 14:28 |
| MinceR | cool story bro | Mar 02 14:28 |
| msb | MinceR: You say "uh huh" when you ignore the truth. | Mar 02 14:28 |
| MinceR | msb is here to bring us The Truth! all hail msb! | Mar 02 14:28 |
| msb | MinceR: What part of what I've said to you think is only a "story". | Mar 02 14:29 |
| MinceR | msb: you realize that the current russian government explicitly hates gays, right? | Mar 02 14:29 |
| msb | MinceR: Bullshit! I can give you plenty of references for this. Roy even reposted them. | Mar 02 14:29 |
| MinceR | msb: you realize that the stalinist government was explicitly going after jews, right? | Mar 02 14:29 |
| msb | The stalinist govt is long gone. This is not 1956! | Mar 02 14:30 |
| MinceR | msb: the guys you're trying to whitewash are just as bad as the other side | Mar 02 14:30 |
| MinceR | if not worse | Mar 02 14:30 |
| msb | I'm not whitewashing them, but they're not nearly as bad as explicit Nazis. | Mar 02 14:30 |
| MinceR | msb: also, i'm interested in your "references" about how the current russian government is not going after gays | Mar 02 14:30 |
| msb | MinceR: Do you hate "commies" so much that you like Nazis? | Mar 02 14:30 |
| MinceR | i hate them both | Mar 02 14:31 |
| MinceR | also, apparently you have reading comprehension issues | Mar 02 14:31 |
| MinceR | you might profit from an English course. | Mar 02 14:31 |
| msb | You're stooping to nonsensical personal attacks -- proof that part of your mind knows you're wrong. | Mar 02 14:32 |
| MinceR | you might want to re-read the buffer/log to see who started nonsensical personal attacks here | Mar 02 14:32 |
| MinceR | hint: it was not me. | Mar 02 14:33 |
| msb | Russia is the only major opposition to the US-Israel-Rothschild fascists. | Mar 02 14:33 |
| MinceR | it's opposition only in the sense "i wish i was doing the same thing in that position" | Mar 02 14:34 |
| MinceR | just like how jobbik is considered to be an opposition to fidesz. | Mar 02 14:34 |
| msb | I said that your mind was back in 1956, when the Russians invaded Hungary, and that colors all your political thinking. | Mar 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | and you were wrong | Mar 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | russia keeps proving that they haven't gone anywhere | Mar 02 14:35 |
| msb | How? | Mar 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | the former leader of the kgb is now ruling the country | Mar 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | russia is just as imperialistic as it was | Mar 02 14:35 |
| msb | So? It's what he does that counts, not what he was. | Mar 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | only they have a different cult behind them now | Mar 02 14:36 |
| msb | What nations is Russia invading or conquering? | Mar 02 14:36 |
| MinceR | some people apparently like to pretend that makes all the difference | Mar 02 14:36 |
| MinceR | ukraine, currently | Mar 02 14:36 |
| MinceR | viktor orban might hand hungary over to them too | Mar 02 14:36 |
| MinceR | with the paks 2 deal | Mar 02 14:36 |
| MinceR | or if a miracle happens and the democratic opposition wins the next election and tells the russians the deal is off, we might be invaded too | Mar 02 14:36 |
| msb | The US and EU are the ones that conquered -- regime-changed -- Ukraine, not Russia. Russia is only trying to reverse that and restore the elected govt. | Mar 02 14:37 |
| MinceR | yes, replacing a communist dictatorship with democracy is conquest | Mar 02 14:37 |
| MinceR | what was i thinking? | Mar 02 14:37 |
| msb | MinceR: Not everything that happens in the world involves Hungary!!! | Mar 02 14:37 |
| MinceR | msb: if you love russia so much, why don't you move there? | Mar 02 14:38 |
| msb | The govt of Ukraine was not a "communist dictatorship". It was elected. | Mar 02 14:38 |
| MinceR | so you like the current hungarian government too, don't you? | Mar 02 14:38 |
| MinceR | hitler was elected too. | Mar 02 14:38 |
| msb | MinceR: That "if you love XXX so much, why don't you move there?" is a very standard political propaganda attack. | Mar 02 14:39 |
| MinceR | btw you still haven't provided any references on how russia isn't attacking gays | Mar 02 14:39 |
| msb | Why would you say I like the current Hungarian govt? | Mar 02 14:39 |
| MinceR | because they were elected, and introduced an authoritarian regime | Mar 02 14:40 |
| msb | And you say they're nazi-type fascists. So of course I would not favor them. | Mar 02 14:41 |
| msb | Putting false words in someone else's mouth is also a standard lying propaganda technique. | Mar 02 14:41 |
| MinceR | because you don't mind being oppressed so long as there's a yellow hammer and sickle on the red flag, not a swastika | Mar 02 14:41 |
| msb | No, I don't like any oppression. | Mar 02 14:42 |
| msb | But socialism is not necessarily oppression. | Mar 02 14:42 |
| MinceR | as far as i can tell, so far all forms of "socialism" were. | Mar 02 14:42 |
| msb | Not in Nicaragua, and not in Vietnam. | Mar 02 14:43 |
| MinceR | (not what republicans call "socialism" -- to them everything is, that is not them) | Mar 02 14:43 |
| msb | And only in Cuba because it's constantly attacked by the US. | Mar 02 14:43 |
| MinceR | that's not a very good excuse. | Mar 02 14:43 |
| MinceR | sounds a lot like 1984 to me | Mar 02 14:43 |
| msb | Cuba was invaded by the US, and sprayed by the US with swine flu that killed all their pigs, and plant-eating insects to destroy their crops. | Mar 02 14:44 |
| MinceR | vietnam is a single-party state, therefore autocratic | Mar 02 14:44 |
| msb | And the US inflicts an economic embargo on Cuba such that no company that deals with Cuba can sell anything in the US. | Mar 02 14:45 |
| MinceR | autocracy is oppression. | Mar 02 14:46 |
| msb | Eisenhower -- not a commie -- in his memoirs said that 80% of Vietnam would have voted to unify under Ho Chi Minh if the US had not prevented the election. | Mar 02 14:46 |
| MinceR | and i'm not sure what's going on in nicaragua | Mar 02 14:46 |
| msb | They voted for the Ortega socialist regime in the most recent election. | Mar 02 14:47 |
| MinceR | and how free was that election? | Mar 02 14:47 |
| msb | No indication that it wasn't. | Mar 02 14:47 |
| msb | You think that all socialists are stalinist, because you are traumatized by 1956. | Mar 02 14:48 |
| msb | People can vote to share stuff -- that's socialism. | Mar 02 14:49 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_general_election,_2011#Election | Mar 02 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nicaraguan general election, 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqewl ] | Mar 02 14:49 | |
| MinceR | yes, and people can vote to take my stuff away | Mar 02 14:49 |
| MinceR | that's socialism too | Mar 02 14:49 |
| msb | So? Hindrance of observation in 20% of polling places could not account for a 2:1 win by the socialists. | Mar 02 14:51 |
| msb | Socialism would only take (some of) your stuff away if you were wealthy. | Mar 02 14:52 |
| MinceR | why did they need to hinder the work of observers in the first place? | Mar 02 14:52 |
| msb | And if lots of people were poor. | Mar 02 14:52 |
| MinceR | and an autocratic government decides who's wealthy and who's poor | Mar 02 14:52 |
| MinceR | i've seen how that works | Mar 02 14:52 |
| msb | And a pure capitalist "two-party" government stages 9/11, invades two nations and murders 2,000,000 people, is murdering more with drones, and robbed 28 trillion dollars of tax money to give to crooked banks. | Mar 02 14:54 |
| MinceR | that was one country out of how many? | Mar 02 14:54 |
| msb | That is the inevitable result of unregulated capitalism, with no limits on wealth. | Mar 02 14:55 |
| MinceR | no it's not | Mar 02 14:55 |
| MinceR | it does not follow. | Mar 02 14:55 |
| msb | Unfortunately it's the most powerful nation in the world, with more weapons than the rest of the world combined. | Mar 02 14:55 |
| MinceR | there are plenty of countries that have insufficient regulation and no limits on wealth | Mar 02 14:55 |
| MinceR | yet they don't do such things | Mar 02 14:55 |
| msb | The whole EU is inflicting austerity -- which means keeping people poor by robbing them thru taxation. | Mar 02 14:56 |
| MinceR | not all of usa's troubles come from lack of socialism. | Mar 02 14:56 |
| MinceR | so, which state of the EU staged 9/11, invaded nations and murdered people? | Mar 02 14:56 |
| msb | A graduated tax on wealth would help a great deal. | Mar 02 14:56 |
| msb | MinceR: That's a nonsense question. | Mar 02 14:57 |
| MinceR | or it wouldn't | Mar 02 14:57 |
| MinceR | how so? | Mar 02 14:57 |
| MinceR | you equated non-socialism with those things | Mar 02 14:57 |
| MinceR | therefore EU members not doing that means they must be socialist | Mar 02 14:58 |
| MinceR | does it not? | Mar 02 14:58 |
| msb | I equated unregulated capitalism with those things in the US. | Mar 02 14:58 |
| MinceR | or could it be perhaps that your premise was flawed? | Mar 02 14:58 |
| msb | Again you are putting nonsense in my mouth. | Mar 02 14:58 |
| MinceR | no, you're putting nonsense in your own mouth | Mar 02 14:58 |
| msb | Can you talk without using lying propaganda techniques? | Mar 02 14:58 |
| MinceR | you're trying to twist reality beyond recognition to support your utopia. | Mar 02 14:59 |
| MinceR | can you? | Mar 02 14:59 |
| msb | My idea of the best system is a graduated tax on wealth, and socialism or social-democracy for large businesses, with capitalism for small ones. | Mar 02 15:00 |
| msb | I don't claim it would be utopia, but it would be much better than what we have. | Mar 02 15:01 |
| MinceR | and everyone who doesn't agree with that must be a nazi. | Mar 02 15:01 |
| MinceR | interesting. | Mar 02 15:01 |
| msb | Wealth would be limited to something like $10million. And corporations would have NO political power, no ability to donate to campaigns or parties. | Mar 02 15:02 |
| MinceR | which country implements this? | Mar 02 15:02 |
| msb | Lying propaganda technique: MinceR: "and everyone who doesn't agree with that must be a nazi" | Mar 02 15:03 |
| MinceR | lying propaganda technique: 152806 < msb> MinceR: As long as you confuse the concepts of "authoritarians" and "fascists", and as long as your mind is back in 1956, you won't be able to comprehend that the "neo"-Nazis | Mar 02 15:03 |
| MinceR | that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc. They are actual Nazis. | Mar 02 15:03 |
| msb | No country that I know of implements it. But I think all should. | Mar 02 15:03 |
| MinceR | more lying propaganda technique: 153106 < msb> MinceR: Do you hate "commies" so much that you like Nazis? | Mar 02 15:04 |
| MinceR | msb: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks. | Mar 02 15:04 |
| msb | Let's get back to this: Wealth would be limited to something like $10million. And corporations would have NO political power, no ability to donate to campaigns or parties. | Mar 02 15:04 |
| msb | My idea of the best system is a graduated tax on wealth, and socialism or social-democracy for large businesses, with capitalism for small ones. | Mar 02 15:05 |
| MinceR | a hard wealth limit is a very bad idea. | Mar 02 15:05 |
| msb | Can you agree that that would be a good system? | Mar 02 15:05 |
| msb | Why? | Mar 02 15:05 |
| msb | Why does anyone need more than 10 million dollars? | Mar 02 15:05 |
| MinceR | what if i inherit real estate worth $10M but have no food in the fridge, so i go to work | Mar 02 15:05 |
| MinceR | but i can't get more money so i starve | Mar 02 15:05 |
| MinceR | or i must sell it? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | also, why $10M? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| msb | You can sell $1 million worth. | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | what if the value of the currency changes? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | what if the market doesn't want it? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| msb | Because that's plenty more than anyone or any family needs. | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | also, who decides what capital such as real estate is worth in the first place? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | who decides if my car is worth too much? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| msb | Market value. | Mar 02 15:07 |
| MinceR | who decides if the prime minister's car is worth too much? | Mar 02 15:07 |
| msb | You're nitpicking. | Mar 02 15:07 |
| MinceR | no, i'm not | Mar 02 15:07 |
| MinceR | i'm bringing up very real issues with your inflexible system. | Mar 02 15:07 |
| MinceR | also, it's screaming for people to find and exploit loopholes | Mar 02 15:07 |
| msb | Let's say no hard limit on wealth, but the graduated wealthy tax would be designed to approximately limit around 10 million. | Mar 02 15:08 |
| msb | Yes, loopholes would have to be closed. That's true of any system. | Mar 02 15:09 |
| msb | The democratically elected govt would do that. | Mar 02 15:09 |
| MinceR | wealth tax causes people to move their capital to other countries. | Mar 02 15:10 |
| msb | Your car couldn't be "worth too much". Taxation would be based on total wealth. | Mar 02 15:10 |
| msb | It would still be counted as their wealth. | Mar 02 15:11 |
| MinceR | except it would not be visible to the state. | Mar 02 15:11 |
| MinceR | and of course the richer you are, the easier it is to find and use services that help you exploit loopholes | Mar 02 15:11 |
| msb | Foreign investment and banking would be required to be reported. | Mar 02 15:11 |
| MinceR | so the poor guys get struck | Mar 02 15:12 |
| MinceR | and how do you propose to enforce such a requirement? | Mar 02 15:12 |
| msb | The punishment would be imprisonment. | Mar 02 15:12 |
| MinceR | the government wouldn't find out in the first place | Mar 02 15:13 |
| MinceR | also, some kinds of property cannot be sold in part, the taxpayer would be required to sell the whole thing | Mar 02 15:13 |
| MinceR | which would be very disruptive | Mar 02 15:13 |
| msb | They could be required to sell some shares of it. | Mar 02 15:14 |
| MinceR | how do you sell shares of a house or a car? | Mar 02 15:14 |
| msb | A house or car worth over $10 million? | Mar 02 15:14 |
| msb | You nits could be solved. | Mar 02 15:15 |
| msb | What kind of economic system would you favor? | Mar 02 15:15 |
| MinceR | i'm not entirely decided. | Mar 02 15:15 |
| MinceR | i don't have a single system i have as much confidence in as you have in the above mentioned one. | Mar 02 15:15 |
| msb | Can you come up with one as good or better than mine? | Mar 02 15:16 |
| MinceR | probably | Mar 02 15:16 |
| msb | Then please do. | Mar 02 15:16 |
| msb | I'd also have a single-payer Canadian style health system. | Mar 02 15:17 |
| MinceR | democratic, regulated free-market system, income tax, VAT, limited government spending (for example, no m$ licenses bought), no wealth limit or wealth tax; opt-in health system | Mar 02 15:18 |
| MinceR | i agree with corporations not getting political power | Mar 02 15:19 |
| msb | So how do you prevent the ultra-wealthy from controlling the govt and media? | Mar 02 15:19 |
| MinceR | limits on campaign contributions from individuals as well | Mar 02 15:20 |
| MinceR | an election system that doesn't distort results in favor of big parties | Mar 02 15:20 |
| MinceR | (some sort of preferential voting) | Mar 02 15:20 |
| MinceR | if government media exists, it could be treated as another independent branch of power | Mar 02 15:21 |
| msb | Those are good. I'll add them to mine. But unlimited wealth always enables unlimited power. | Mar 02 15:21 |
| msb | I'm talking about corporate/wealth controlled media, not govt controlled. | Mar 02 15:22 |
| MinceR | perhaps even separate elections for all branches of power, perhaps except the judiciary | Mar 02 15:22 |
| MinceR | for private media, i'd remove government interference (seeing what it did in hungary) | Mar 02 15:22 |
| msb | We already have that. Doesn't do any good. | Mar 02 15:22 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_lost#Democracy_Vouchers | Mar 02 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Republic, Lost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqf3r ] | Mar 02 15:23 | |
| MinceR | this could help too | Mar 02 15:23 |
| msb | Wealthy interference with media is just as bad. | Mar 02 15:23 |
| MinceR | it is, but it could at least have multiple poles | Mar 02 15:23 |
| MinceR | some of the issues could be solved by regulations to keep the market free | Mar 02 15:23 |
| MinceR | so you don't end up with the huge media/isp conglomerates as in the usa. | Mar 02 15:24 |
| MinceR | also, some of these controls could eventually help fix issues in other areas | Mar 02 15:25 |
| MinceR | for example, reforming campaign financing and the election system could remove incentives for corruption in other areas. | Mar 02 15:25 |
| msb | No. There's no way to eliminate wholesale lying in the media except by having it controlled democratically and financed by lots of small contributions. | Mar 02 15:26 |
| msb | Huge wealth always leads to corruption. It's unavoidable. | Mar 02 15:26 |
| MinceR | the government media could have that | Mar 02 15:27 |
| msb | Why do you want people to be able to be hugely wealthy? | Mar 02 15:27 |
| MinceR | because i don't think there's a good limit you could pick | Mar 02 15:27 |
| MinceR | and i don't think that the cited issues could be avoided, except by making the limit so high it won't matter | Mar 02 15:27 |
| msb | What's wrong with 10 million dollars? | Mar 02 15:28 |
| MinceR | it's arbitrary | Mar 02 15:28 |
| MinceR | and its real value will change with inflation | Mar 02 15:28 |
| msb | No, it's chosen to be much more than any family needs. | Mar 02 15:28 |
| MinceR | and as i've stated before, the rich will be in the best position to evade it | Mar 02 15:29 |
| msb | Proper money policy will prevent inflation. | Mar 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | families are irrelevant | Mar 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | and if you want people to have incentives to work smarter and more, you're going to have to look beyond essential needs | Mar 02 15:29 |
| msb | There won't be any rich (beyond $10M). | Mar 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | people want more than just survival, and rightly so | Mar 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | there will be, just your government won't know about it | Mar 02 15:30 |
| MinceR | in any case, i'd try the reforms i've mentioned and see how things work out before looking for more drastic measures, such as wealth limits, wealth taxation or dismantling the state entirely | Mar 02 15:31 |
| msb | You can get a good family helicopter for less than $1M | Mar 02 15:32 |
| msb | If $10M would only allow you and your family to "survive", you need to talk with DaemonFC! 8^) | Mar 02 15:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 15:33 |
| MinceR | or the dollar inflated. :> | Mar 02 15:34 |
| msb | Your reforms would not be enough, because huge wealth always gives huge power. | Mar 02 15:34 |
| msb | Gold/silver standard would prevent inflation. | Mar 02 15:34 |
| MinceR | it would not work | Mar 02 15:34 |
| MinceR | there is already more money in the economy than the gold/silver standard could support | Mar 02 15:35 |
| msb | But it's fake money. | Mar 02 15:35 |
| msb | So it would be necessary to deflate gradually. | Mar 02 15:36 |
| msb | Not that I'd want most people to have helicopters. It would be Death From Above! | Mar 02 15:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 15:39 |
| msb | Hybrid SUVs are good. | Mar 02 15:41 |
| msb | Hey, this is good. I now have a recommended economic system for my website! And a few days ago, I got here the ideal design for my next computer. I love #techrights! | Mar 02 15:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 15:45 |
| MinceR | sure, you could deflate fiat currency and replace it with a gold/silver standard based one | Mar 02 15:46 |
| MinceR | but you couldn't have enough of _that_ to support an economy of the current size. | Mar 02 15:46 |
| MinceR | people would probably come up with fiat currency again to work around that limit. | Mar 02 15:46 |
| msb | There's plenty of gold/silver/platinum still in the ground, and gold in seawater. | Mar 02 15:46 |
| msb | As long as the money is based on stuff with actual value, it's OK. | Mar 02 15:47 |
| msb | Fairly constant actual value. | Mar 02 15:48 |
| MinceR | even the value of precious metals isn't fairly constsnt | Mar 02 15:49 |
| MinceR | s/tsnt/tant/ | Mar 02 15:49 |
| MinceR | and as technology progresses, it will be even less so | Mar 02 15:49 |
| msb | The value of metals is fairly constant. It's their price in dollars that changes. | Mar 02 15:50 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Portugal/Interior.aspx?content_id=3716060&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | Mar 02 15:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tsf.pt | Haver 19 instituições a fazer escutas em Portugal «não faz nenhum sentido» - TSF [ http://ur1.ca/gqf9y ] | Mar 02 15:54 | |
| Sosumi | 19 institutions doing telephone screenings in portugal | Mar 02 15:54 |
| Sosumi | way too many according the ministry of justice | Mar 02 15:55 |
| Sosumi | what about none? | Mar 02 15:55 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 02 15:56 |
| Sosumi | no mention to warrants either | Mar 02 15:57 |
| Sosumi | also crapple to push new effort into iAd | Mar 02 16:02 |
| Sosumi | their advertisement platform | Mar 02 16:03 |
| Sosumi | said to be announced at this year's WWDC | Mar 02 16:03 |
| Sosumi | probably means that'll copy M$ | Mar 02 16:03 |
| Sosumi | in which all safari searches and a local searches through spotlight will be logged at crapple's servers | Mar 02 16:03 |
| Sosumi | just like M$ started doing after vista 8 | Mar 02 16:04 |
| MinceR | just like canonical started doing :> | Mar 02 16:04 |
| Sosumi | and probably associated with the apple ID | Mar 02 16:04 |
| Sosumi | yes but moronical doesn't charge neither for hardware nor software | Mar 02 16:05 |
| Sosumi | so the user can simply shove them to side | Mar 02 16:05 |
| Sosumi | I'm actually starting to think that in the future one might one need to run either windows or to a much lower extent osx | Mar 02 16:06 |
| Sosumi | for some specialized work | Mar 02 16:06 |
| Sosumi | like CAD/CAM work | Mar 02 16:07 |
| Sosumi | and that is if that software doesn't come to gnu/linux down the road | Mar 02 16:07 |
| Sosumi | which it should | Mar 02 16:07 |
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| Sosumi | I just can't believe that software like catia or autocad inventor are windows only | Mar 02 16:07 |
| Sosumi | and that at least, autodesk bothered to implement directx on their suits | Mar 02 16:08 |
| Sosumi | actually | Mar 02 16:17 |
| Sosumi | the trends points out to tablets and assortments | Mar 02 16:17 |
| Sosumi | but not with gnu/linux | Mar 02 16:17 |
| Sosumi | but with android and alikes | Mar 02 16:17 |
| Sosumi | which are enough for the facebook derplings, minor work and with no need to take to the computer repair store | Mar 02 16:18 |
| Sosumi | plus isn't the new trend to have the web close and more personal? | Mar 02 16:19 |
| Sosumi | in the way that a only tablet could? | Mar 02 16:19 |
| Sosumi | kind of like a newspaper | Mar 02 16:20 |
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| Sosumi | and I'm surprised that the new m$ CEO | Mar 02 18:41 |
| Sosumi | what was his name? | Mar 02 18:41 |
| Sosumi | Satya Nutella? lol | Mar 02 18:42 |
| Sosumi | hasn't made any comment in bringing office into the xbox | Mar 02 18:42 |
| Sosumi | and turn the console into a general computer | Mar 02 18:43 |
| Sosumi | of which it already is | Mar 02 18:43 |
| Sosumi | in a crippled apple fashion | Mar 02 18:43 |
| Sosumi | but since they're now interested in hardware and angering their partners | Mar 02 18:43 |
| Sosumi | what about more than competing with everyone on the low end | Mar 02 18:44 |
| Sosumi | which would in turn make manufactuerers offer direct support for gnu/linux | Mar 02 18:45 |
| Sosumi | on consumer grade hardware | Mar 02 18:45 |
| Sosumi | even if just ubuntu | Mar 02 18:45 |
| Sosumi | also | Mar 02 18:57 |
| Sosumi | I'm yet to see a xbone on sale here in pt | Mar 02 18:58 |
| Sosumi | all I see around at the major stores are ps4 | Mar 02 18:58 |
| Sosumi | not even xbox 360 are around anymore | Mar 02 18:59 |
| Sosumi | not even leftovers from previous packs | Mar 02 18:59 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:39] <MinceR> btw you still haven't provided any references on how russia isn't attacking gays | Mar 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:29] <MinceR> msb: you realize that the current russian government explicitly hates gays, right? | Mar 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:29] <msb> MinceR: Bullshit! I can give you plenty of references for this. Roy even reposted them. | Mar 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz__ | I was never shown any such references by anyone | Mar 02 19:04 |
| MinceR | neither was i | Mar 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz__ | And from what I can gather, Russia goes Rambo on gay rights activists | Mar 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz__ | not sure if "anti-gay", but those who openly promote equality for gays are equated with domestic enemies | Mar 02 19:05 |
| MinceR | i've heard plenty of bullshit from the russian government on "gay propaganda" as if that was a thing | Mar 02 19:05 |
| schestowitz__ | there is such a thing | Mar 02 19:05 |
| schestowitz__ | "gay propaganda" | Mar 02 19:05 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't oppose the term in its own right | Mar 02 19:05 |
| schestowitz__ | but their actions against it | Mar 02 19:06 |
| schestowitz__ | There is also "FOSS propaganda", "US propaganda", "communist propaganda" | Mar 02 19:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I won't be beaten in the streets for promoting Nazism, anarchy, etc. | Mar 02 19:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I might get harassed by police if the public complains, Public Disturbance order or whatever it's now called | Mar 02 19:07 |
| msb | I was referring to "the "neo"-Nazis that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc. They are actual Nazis." | Mar 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia is nasty | Mar 02 19:07 |
| msb | Not to Russian attitude toward gays. | Mar 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz__ | i am reading all the conversation ATM | Mar 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz__ | I find it interesting | Mar 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia is nasty too | Mar 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz__ | And to say Stalin went after Jews overlooks the fact he used Israel thinking it would help spread communism | Mar 02 19:08 |
| msb | But has not murdered 2,000,000 since 2001. | Mar 02 19:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Like funnelling weapons (I think from Czechoslovakia) to help the revolution | Mar 02 19:08 |
| schestowitz__ | but later he felt betrayed because today's NATO members were embraced as allies | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia is very nasty | Mar 02 19:09 |
| msb | Help murder Palestinians. | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | based on my friends who are Russians | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Many left Russia and don't have much positive to say | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | msb: | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | !google ukraine russia killed millions | Mar 02 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Ukrainian 'Holodomor' (man-made famine) Facts and History | http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html | Mar 02 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Holodomor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor | Mar 02 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Soviet famine of 1932–33 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%25E2%2580%259333 | Mar 02 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Stalin's Forced Famine - The History Place | http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia, IIRC, can be held responsible for the deaths of tens of millions, and China too | Mar 02 19:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Not just directly from wars | Mar 02 19:10 |
| schestowitz__ | But bad policies, cleansing, genocides | Mar 02 19:10 |
| msb | Yes, but _now_ Russia is the only counter to US fascism/mass-murder, which is the worst thing going on in the world. | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | The West is focused on teaching consequences of WW2 (for political reasons), but there's lots to be learned about WW2 in the far east | Mar 02 19:11 |
| MinceR | counter fascism and mass murder with more fascism and mass murder? | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | and the Korea wars and later Turf wars in the early days of the Cold War | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | msb: oppose both | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | help Ukraine | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | or Hungary | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | hungary used to be with Austria | Mar 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Now it's seemingly with the USSR block, still | Mar 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz__ | And EU can grab it into more civilised turf | Mar 02 19:12 |
| msb | The US just sent nazis to conquer Ukraine. | Mar 02 19:12 |
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| MinceR | with the antidemocratic turn and paks 2, they're certainly going back to ussr | Mar 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz__ | and offer better jobs, etc. by migration | Mar 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz__ | No, the US funded "useful idiots" | Mar 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz__ | It wants nuclear buffer | Mar 02 19:13 |
| msb | Armed nazis with machine guns. | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | The Nazis were always there | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | and armed | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | their descendants come from Nazi era | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | The US just awoken a giant | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia has some nazi sympathisers too | Mar 02 19:13 |
| msb | But US recently promised to support them in a takeover. That's why they did it. | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | more so than in the UK | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | US promised it? | Mar 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Show the reports, I must have missed such a thing | Mar 02 19:14 |
| msb | Roy, did you read those articles from CRG that you reposted? | Mar 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz__ | ORG writes about privacy | Mar 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Oh, CRG | Mar 02 19:14 |
| msb | yes, you reposted their URLs, I'm not sure where | Mar 02 19:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Yes, depending on who's writing, the "rebels" are mostly denounced | Mar 02 19:15 |
| schestowitz__ | It's said to be tied with some Russian interests because it's against Western globalisation | Mar 02 19:15 |
| schestowitz__ | I posted that here and in techrights | Mar 02 19:15 |
| msb | What is tied with Russian interests? | Mar 02 19:16 |
| msb | "Despite these ominous signs, Ambassador Pyatt hailed the coup as “a day for the history books.” Most of the mainstream U.S. news media also sided with the coup, with commentators praising the overthrow of an elected government as “reform.” But a few dissonant reports have pierced the happy talk by noting that the armed militias are part of the Pravy Sektor, a right-wing nationalist group which is often compared to the Nazis." | Mar 02 19:21 |
| msb | http://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/23/neocons-and-the-ukraine-coup/ | Mar 02 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consortiumnews.com | Neocons and the Ukraine Coup | Consortiumnews [ http://ur1.ca/gpjzk ] | Mar 02 19:21 | |
| msb | Ukraine and the “Politics of Anti-Semitism”: The West Upholds Neo-Nazi Repression of Ukraine’s Jewish Community | Mar 02 19:23 |
| msb | http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-and-the-politics-of-anti-semitism-west-upholds-neo-nazi-repression-of-ukraines-jewish-community/5370790 | Mar 02 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Ukraine and the “Politics of Anti-Semitism”: The West Upholds Neo-Nazi Repression of Ukraine’s Jewish Community | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gpjys ] | Mar 02 19:23 | |
| msb | schestowitz__: What is tied with Russian interests? | Mar 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Some of the writings in the site, not necessarily those of the above authors | Mar 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz__ | I notice that Assange no longer makes his relations with the Russian government notices | Mar 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz__ | *noticed | Mar 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz__ | which is good | Mar 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz__ | he made himself an easy target | Mar 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union | Mar 02 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqgkb ] | Mar 02 19:37 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Mar 02 19:38 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/us-official-claims-6000-russian-troops-complete-control-crimea-crisis-map-update | Mar 02 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | US Official Claims 6,000 Russian Troops In Complete Control Of Crimea - Crisis Map Update | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gqh6t ] | Mar 02 21:36 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 02 22:48 |
| schestowitz__ | now they know how Russia feels when the US invades nations | Mar 02 23:54 |
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| msb | The New Economic Policy -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/EconPolicyV1.0.html | Mar 03 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Economic Policy (v.1.0) [ http://ur1.ca/gqlfl ] | Mar 03 05:18 | |
| msb | Suggestions welcome! | Mar 03 05:18 |
| msb | This is good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBmAkAO7j8c | Mar 03 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Anonymous Ukraine - Message 2014 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqlfq ] | Mar 03 05:19 | |
| msb | Sound like a voice synthesizer may have been used. | Mar 03 05:20 |
| msb | But a very good one. | Mar 03 05:20 |
| msb | "You shall hear from me again!" -- Fu Manchu | Mar 03 05:20 |
| msb | Transcript here (but video not downloadable as it is on the youtube page): http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/167455/Anonymous_Ukraine__Message_2014/ | Mar 03 05:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.disclose.tv | Anonymous Ukraine - Message 2014 [Video] [ http://ur1.ca/gqlg8 ] | Mar 03 05:22 | |
| msb | Lots of good stuff about Ukraine, Soros, Rothschilds, etc. here: http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/profiles/blog/list | Mar 03 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fightingforliberty.ning.com | Blogs - Fighting for Liberty [ http://ur1.ca/gqlkq ] | Mar 03 05:49 | |
| msb | Down the left-hand side. | Mar 03 05:49 |
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| MinceR | now they know how russia feels when the us annexes nations? :> | Mar 03 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Sorry about that. It's not like I get much control over what the government does. | Mar 03 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | I can nudge it between right-wing and extremely right-wing. | Mar 03 07:00 |
| MinceR | i was commenting on schestowitz__'s comment :> | Mar 03 07:01 |
| MinceR | http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/461770/Expert-likens-possible-Putin-action-on-Ukraine-to-Hitler-s-1938-move-on-Czechoslovakia | Mar 03 07:04 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: 005437 < schestowitz__> now they know how Russia feels when the US invades nations | Mar 03 07:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cisco open sources corporate firewall software | Tux Machines | Mar 03 07:31 | |
| msb | Clever propaganda operation of _The Express_ to liken a possible Russian move to counter the nazi putsch in Ukraine to the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia. No mention that the goons who seized power from a duly elected government in Ukraine are themselves nazis! | Mar 03 07:36 |
| msb | But every alternative news site on the Web that I've seen does make it clear that it's a nazi takeover backed by the US and EU. | Mar 03 07:37 |
| gde33 | is the gas still flowing? | Mar 03 07:39 |
| gde33 | the facinating bit in this picture http://www.gazpromexport.ru/en/statistics/ is that germany can produce more than enough bio gas for entire europe | Mar 03 07:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gazpromexport.ru | Gazprom Export [ http://ur1.ca/gqmaq ] | Mar 03 07:49 | |
| gde33 | the bio gas is better than the russian gas | Mar 03 07:49 |
| gde33 | currently it mostly burned to make electricity | Mar 03 07:50 |
| gde33 | in inefficent ways | Mar 03 07:50 |
| gde33 | retooling for life after gazprom wont take long | Mar 03 07:50 |
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| DaemonFC | The fracking companies promised us that if we let them operate, that we'd be enjoying a manufacturing comeback and that the price to heat your home would be at record lows. | Mar 03 07:53 |
| DaemonFC | Instead, they exported all the gas, it created no jobs, and the price to heat our homes continues to rise. | Mar 03 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 03 07:54 |
| gde33 | just no more drinking water | Mar 03 07:54 |
| gde33 | I think the economics tricksters are using old books where industry is suggested to have value for a country | Mar 03 07:54 |
| gde33 | this while there is no evidence of that :P | Mar 03 07:55 |
| gde33 | The israelies have the right business model for their country, just get free money and goods from someone else, no questions asked :D | Mar 03 07:55 |
| gde33 | tell them to go fuck themselves afterwards | Mar 03 07:56 |
| gde33 | someone added up all the aid, military, ecconomic, financial etc, he came at something like 50 k per citizen | Mar 03 07:57 |
| gde33 | not entirely realistic of course | Mar 03 07:57 |
| gde33 | imagine how rich americans would be if they divided their military budget over the citizens | Mar 03 07:57 |
| gde33 | woah! | Mar 03 07:57 |
| gde33 | how much is 50 * 500 bilion divided by 300 million? | Mar 03 08:00 |
| gde33 | something like 83 000, not even that much | Mar 03 08:01 |
| gde33 | kinda disapointing lol | Mar 03 08:01 |
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| DaemonFC | We should sell those A-10 Thunderbolt IIs that the Pentagon wants to scrap to Ukraine. | Mar 03 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | They'd make short work of the Russian occupation force. | Mar 03 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_rvt_np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx2AVIMTCZH3PML#CustomerDiscussionsNew | Mar 03 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Indiana House Republicans pass a bill that would kill an effective energy efficiency program, increase electricity rates, require more power plants to be built, and increase greenhouse gas emissions. [ http://ur1.ca/gqmrn ] | Mar 03 08:52 | |
| MinceR | a few things our anti-democracy activist forgot to mention in his propaganda >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanukovich#Impeachment_and_vote_to_remove | Mar 03 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Viktor Yanukovych - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqmuw ] | Mar 03 09:10 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Mar 03 09:14 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx2QTWGM6LTYZ4H | Mar 03 10:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: ALDI pays its store associates on day one of their employment what the average Walmart worker will take six years to earn. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndp ] | Mar 03 10:31 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.msnbc.com/the-ed-show/leaked-document-shows-what-walmart-really-pay | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | According to leaked documents, Walmart starts out at about $8 an hour, and most of their employees are only scheduled to work part time so they can't get any health insurance or other benefits. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | A woman in this story says that she can't earn more than $14,000 a year at Walmart and that her kids rely on medicaid, food stamps, subsidized housing, and free school lunches so that they can make ends meet. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msnbc.com | Leaked document shows what Walmart really pays its workers | MSNBC [ http://ur1.ca/gqndt ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/27/politics/27walmart.html | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | In 2006, Walmart's former CEO, H. Lee Scott, bragged that Walmart was managing to dump most of their workers onto Medicaid. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart employees top the Medicaid list in every state, except for DC, where there aren't any Walmart stores yet. When they build the proposed stores, Walmart employees will top the Medicaid list in DC as well. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/gqndw ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/local/kalamazoo/2014/02/24/ald-jobs-employment/5772895/ | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | This newspaper article says that ALDI, a discount grocer that will reduce your grocery bill 15-20% below what you can expect to spend at Walmart, is starting out its lowest paid employees at $10.50 an hour. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wzzm13.com | Aldi holds hiring event in Portage [ http://ur1.ca/gqndx ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | ALDI offers health insurance to employees who work as little as 20 hours a week. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | ALDI also has a dental, vision, and 401(k) plan that Walmart employees don't have. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.producenews.com/index.php/news-dep-menu/test-featured/11972-aldi-plans-to-open-650-new-stores | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.producenews.com | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores - The Produce News - Covering fresh produce around the globe since 1897. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndy ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores in the United States in 2014, creating good jobs that pay the bills without dumping most of their employees on government welfare, Walmart-style. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cnbc.com/id/101380735 | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Time to close Wal-Mart stores? Analysts think so | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Walmart's profits for last quarter were down over 20%, and CNBC is reporting that they should start closing stores, beginning with the 100 least profitable. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/02/could-wal-mart-be-the-next-giant-failure-in-retail.aspx | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | The Motley Fool suspects that Walmart could be going down the KMart path. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Could Wal-Mart Be the Next Giant Failure in Retail? (WMT) [ http://ur1.ca/gq67o ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is rapidly becoming relevant to today's tech-savvy shoppers, who know that they can get better deals elsewhere, and lose their grocery business to highly respectable companies like ALDI. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/04/06/why-wal-mart-needs-more-workers.aspx | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Why Wal-Mart Needs More Workers (WMT) [ http://ur1.ca/gqne0 ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Over the last few years, even as Walmart has been opening new stores, they have reduced their workforce by over 120,000 employees, causing a drag on job creation. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | oops | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | meant to say "irrelevant" | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | and 650 over the next 5 years | Mar 03 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | man, I messed that up a bit | Mar 03 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | still.... | Mar 03 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | They're growing rapidly and killing Walmart. | Mar 03 10:38 |
| Sosumi | ow's the state of 4k on gnu linux? | Mar 03 11:11 |
| Sosumi | even through it is still kind of premature to get a 4k display | Mar 03 11:12 |
| Sosumi | as there aren't any compelling 4096x21600 displays | Mar 03 11:13 |
| Sosumi | *2160 | Mar 03 11:13 |
| Sosumi | but as my second display is filled with burns from displaying static images all the time | Mar 03 11:14 |
| Sosumi | as is now showing 2 dead pixels | Mar 03 11:15 |
| Sosumi | I may thinking in replace my dual 1920x1200 24 inches by a single 4k monitor | Mar 03 11:15 |
| Sosumi | *be | Mar 03 11:16 |
| Sosumi | a nice 32 inches model would probably be enough | Mar 03 11:17 |
| Sosumi | also from what I've seen | Mar 03 11:17 |
| Sosumi | the 16:10 ratio is kind of out of the window | Mar 03 11:17 |
| Sosumi | the other way | Mar 03 11:21 |
| Sosumi | well | Mar 03 11:21 |
| Sosumi | would be getting another 24 inches | Mar 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Mar 03 11:21 |
| Sosumi | and playing some games in eyefinity mode | Mar 03 11:21 |
| Sosumi | no, she said if those were crt displays | Mar 03 11:22 |
| Sosumi | and I got 3 | Mar 03 11:22 |
| Sosumi | I'd no longer need to go to the beach to sunbath | Mar 03 11:22 |
| Sosumi | the radiation emanating from the tube would take care of that | Mar 03 11:23 |
| Sosumi | although that was only typical on the old "green" crt | Mar 03 11:23 |
| MinceR | wouldn't work | Mar 03 11:23 |
| MinceR | CRTs were said to emit X-rays, not UV | Mar 03 11:24 |
| Sosumi | ok | Mar 03 11:24 |
| Sosumi | 180º degrees xray | Mar 03 11:24 |
| Sosumi | the ideal display would be a nice curved monitor with no bezels | Mar 03 11:26 |
| Sosumi | with an equivalent of a 3 1920x1200 monitors | Mar 03 11:27 |
| Sosumi | for me and given at the distance I sit from the displays, 30 kind of seems too much | Mar 03 11:28 |
| Sosumi | I did try it once | Mar 03 11:28 |
| Sosumi | but with a 32 inches tv | Mar 03 11:28 |
| Sosumi | just to get the perspective | Mar 03 11:28 |
| Sosumi | and I ended up moving my head way more than just working | Mar 03 11:29 |
| Sosumi | up, down, down up, left, up, now left again | Mar 03 11:29 |
| Sosumi | when the additional 24 falls in my peripherical vision | Mar 03 11:30 |
| Sosumi | too bad that I just can't nab someone else's 24 inches display just test a triple head setup | Mar 03 11:31 |
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| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HN3yZVKP9g | Mar 03 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Revolution in Ukraine: Dispatch from the Presidential Palace - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqo0m ] | Mar 03 11:47 | |
| msb | Comments: No mention of the Nazis? // Stay butthurt commie kike. // Thanks for proving my point | Mar 03 12:05 |
| msb | No mention of masked nazis in the streets with machine guns doing the armed takeover from an elected government. | Mar 03 12:07 |
| Sosumi | I wander where they got the arms | Mar 03 12:07 |
| Sosumi | did they assault an army depot | Mar 03 12:07 |
| Sosumi | or did they get shipped from poland | Mar 03 12:07 |
| MinceR | afaik part of the armed forces switched sides | Mar 03 12:07 |
| Sosumi | yes | Mar 03 12:07 |
| Sosumi | but those are not the armed forces | Mar 03 12:08 |
| Sosumi | but what appears heavily armed civs | Mar 03 12:08 |
| MinceR | well, they might have distributed stockpiles | Mar 03 12:08 |
| msb | Yanukovych did not build that palace with stolen money. It was already there. He moved into it when he was elected. Just like Obomber didn't build the Whitehouse. | Mar 03 12:11 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Mar 03 12:11 |
| Sosumi | ofc the anglo-american propaganda machine is going to use everything to legitimize the euromaiden or whatever they are called | Mar 03 12:13 |
| Sosumi | because it fits their agenda | Mar 03 12:13 |
| Sosumi | to support descendants of nazi collaborators | Mar 03 12:14 |
| msb | "Viktor Yanukovych was elected President in 2010 with 48% of votes." -- Wiki MinceR: do you think he built that palace in 3-4 years? | Mar 03 12:14 |
| Sosumi | and the petty fools supporting them | Mar 03 12:14 |
| msb | Yes, the nazis were/are backed by the US and EU. | Mar 03 12:15 |
| Sosumi | I remember the shicklegruber guy | Mar 03 12:15 |
| Sosumi | being twice Time Magazine person of the year | Mar 03 12:15 |
| Sosumi | and being heavily supported by Prescot Bush | Mar 03 12:16 |
| msb | The EU will inflict austerity upon the Ukrainians when they join the EU, sucking them dry to feed the banksters. | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | and the Ford Motor Company along others | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | yep | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | in fact | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | the ukraine joining the EU agreement | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | was a big no | Mar 03 12:16 |
| MinceR | msb: the protester says he had it built in that period | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | from the get go | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | what the Eurogarchs had in mind was to transform ukraine into a dumping ground | Mar 03 12:17 |
| Sosumi | basically your little china in the middle of europe | Mar 03 12:17 |
| Sosumi | the EU ascension was never on the paper | Mar 03 12:17 |
| MinceR | i doubt that ukraine would start paying the EU more than what it would get from the EU | Mar 03 12:17 |
| msb | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis American Businessmen Financed Hitler | Mar 03 12:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Mar 03 12:18 | |
| msb | The Ukraine nazis are also backed by George Soros. | Mar 03 12:19 |
| Sosumi | also hitler was put in power to be a destabilization for russia | Mar 03 12:19 |
| MinceR | also hitler was in part inspired by marxism | Mar 03 12:19 |
| Sosumi | as russia at the time having lost the russo-japanese war and after that suffering the bolchevik revolution | Mar 03 12:19 |
| Sosumi | also sponsored by london | Mar 03 12:20 |
| Sosumi | was on the tilt of braking up | Mar 03 12:20 |
| Sosumi | too bad that hitler turned west, right? | Mar 03 12:20 |
| Sosumi | and took france, the sudated german land and so on | Mar 03 12:21 |
| msb | Yes. Hitler's job was to kill all the communists, socialists, social democrats, and trade unionists, all of whom were empowering workers and reducing profits of wealthy capitalist owners. That's why the capitalists supported Hitler. | Mar 03 12:21 |
| MinceR | that's an interesting concept of 'empowering workers' | Mar 03 12:21 |
| Sosumi | a very deranged face of capitalism... | Mar 03 12:22 |
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| MinceR | i suspect msb wouldn't be trying so hard to prop putin up if he was forced to live under "socialism" for a while | Mar 03 12:22 |
| msb | It's an inevitable result of capitalism, since the wealthy get control of the govt. | Mar 03 12:22 |
| MinceR | and dictators get control of all the wealth | Mar 03 12:23 |
| msb | MinceR: You have not yet come up with a way to prevent capitalism from turning into corporatism/fascism as wealthy psychopaths control the govt and use it to increase their profits. | Mar 03 12:23 |
| MinceR | also, i'm guessing yanukovych's loot must be under msb's suggested wealth limit :> | Mar 03 12:24 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZeFDe44Ddo | Mar 03 12:24 |
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| MinceR | msb: you have not yet come up with a way to prevent communism/socialism from turning into corporatism/fascism as the dictator takes over the entire government, appropriates most or all property in the state effectively as their own, and use it to increase their profits. | Mar 03 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | Someone tried to sell me a Ford Explorer. | Mar 03 12:25 |
| msb | MinceR: Where's your proof that yanukovych has any "loot"? | Mar 03 12:25 |
| MinceR | the video linked above, for example. | Mar 03 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | I asked them what kind of gas mileage it got. He said "About 8 mpg in the city, 12 on the highway.". | Mar 03 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | Who could afford to drive that? | Mar 03 12:25 |
| msb | MinceR: Do you think Obomber owns the Whitehouse? | Mar 03 12:26 |
| MinceR | msb: do i think the usa is socialist? no. | Mar 03 12:26 |
| MinceR | msb: do i think obomber is a dictator? no, he's a figurehead. | Mar 03 12:26 |
| msb | MinceR: You can't answer simple questions, but have to lie to protect your fascist beliefs. | Mar 03 12:27 |
| MinceR | msb: no you | Mar 03 12:27 |
| msb | Elected presidents don't own the presidential residences they live in. | Mar 03 12:27 |
| msb | Ford makes a hybrid SUV that gets about 32mpg. An owner of one told me. | Mar 03 12:28 |
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| MinceR | msb: you're the fascist here, you're the one who props up the fascist dictator puppet of another fascist dictator | Mar 03 12:29 |
| msb | There is no dictator in democratic socialism or social democracy. | Mar 03 12:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, there's no dictator in "people's democratic republics", right? | Mar 03 12:30 |
| MinceR | because they've said all the words | Mar 03 12:30 |
| MinceR | who cares what happens if you can't see beyond the symbols | Mar 03 12:30 |
| msb | MinceR: Nicaragua and Vietnam elected their socialist governments. | Mar 03 12:30 |
| MinceR | we were discussing ukraine and russia, not nicaragua or vietnam | Mar 03 12:31 |
| msb | The Scandinavian countries elect their social democrat govts. | Mar 03 12:31 |
| MinceR | and vietnam "elected" their governments from a single choice | Mar 03 12:31 |
| MinceR | like communist hungary did | Mar 03 12:31 |
| MinceR | (the only candidate was the "patriotic people's fromt" candidate) | Mar 03 12:31 |
| MinceR | s/mt/nt/ | Mar 03 12:31 |
| msb | MinceR: Yes, you must not admit that democratic socialism exists anywhere in the world. That is the fascist view. Hitler's view. | Mar 03 12:32 |
| MinceR | msb: yes, you must not admit that vietnam and north korea are dictatorships. that is the fascist view. hitler's and stalin's view. | Mar 03 12:32 |
| msb | Eisenhower said 80% of Vietnamese -- North plus South -- would have voted to unite under Ho Chi Minh if the US had not prevented the election. | Mar 03 12:32 |
| MinceR | "The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world's four remaining single-party socialist states officially espousing communism. Its current state constitution, which replaced the 1975 constitution in April 1992, asserts the central role of the Communist Party of Vietnam in all organs of government, politics and society." | Mar 03 12:33 |
| MinceR | this is what msb calls "democracy". | Mar 03 12:34 |
| Sosumi | https://i.4cdn.org/gif/src/1393763813654.gif | Mar 03 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | msb: They weren't worried about gas mileage in the 90s. | Mar 03 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | When my car was made, gas was about $1.10 a gallon on a bad day. :P | Mar 03 12:34 |
| msb | North Korea is a horrible dictatorship. Vietnam is not. | Mar 03 12:35 |
| MinceR | it might be less horrible than north korea, but it's still a dictatorship | Mar 03 12:35 |
| MinceR | so long as the constitution locks a single party into all leadership roles, it will remain a dictatorship. | Mar 03 12:36 |
| msb | The US is a dictatorship -- ruled by the wealthy. | Mar 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | russia is a dictatorship, ruled by putin and his cronies. | Mar 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | (who are wealthy, of course) | Mar 03 12:36 |
| msb | Who were elected. | Mar 03 12:37 |
| MinceR | just like hitler. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| MinceR | and all the communist/socialist dictators who care to hold sham elections | Mar 03 12:38 |
| MinceR | like in communist hungary, like in north korea and in vietnam. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| msb | US elections are sham. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| MinceR | and in red china. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| MinceR | no they're not, it's just that most of the voters are idiots. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| msb | MinceR: you project Hungary onto the entire world. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| MinceR | in the us, there _are_ multiple candidates on the ballot | Mar 03 12:39 |
| MinceR | in north korea, communist hungary, vietnam, etc. there are only state party candidates on the ballot. | Mar 03 12:39 |
| MinceR | msb: no, the entire eastern bloc was managed the same way | Mar 03 12:39 |
| msb | No, MinceR, the voters are lied to by the corporate media, so they don't know that the minority candidates would be much better for them than the Demoblicans. | Mar 03 12:39 |
| MinceR | msb: in fact, hungary was managed with a relatively light hand most of the time, afaik. ("happiest barrack") | Mar 03 12:40 |
| MinceR | msb: the voters have access to non-corporate media, if they cared, they could find out what's up. | Mar 03 12:40 |
| MinceR | msb: in the regimes you like to prop up, there's usually no access to non-government media or a free internet. | Mar 03 12:40 |
| msb | MinceR: No, they don't know to look on the Web for news. | Mar 03 12:40 |
| MinceR | msb: also, dissenters tend to be deported or executed. | Mar 03 12:41 |
| msb | In social-democrat Scandinavia? | Mar 03 12:41 |
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| MinceR | in the usa, dissent tends to be protected as free speech | Mar 03 12:41 |
| MinceR | scandinavia is not socialist. | Mar 03 12:41 |
| msb | It's social-democrat. High taxation, long vacations, govt healthcare, ratio of max/min salaries = 8 or so. | Mar 03 12:42 |
| MinceR | and yet you prop up some of the darkest dictatorships | Mar 03 12:44 |
| msb | Sham democracy in the US with the voters lied to by the corporate media is no better than one-party state, and may be worse depending on policies. There are Usians starving in the streets, and people are forbidden to feed them in parks. | Mar 03 12:44 |
| MinceR | actually, it is better than the one-party state | Mar 03 12:44 |
| MinceR | it takes a lot less to fix it | Mar 03 12:44 |
| msb | But it never gets fixed. | Mar 03 12:44 |
| MinceR | that we can't know, as not all of time has passed yet | Mar 03 12:44 |
| msb | I support Russia only because it is countering the US which has murdered millions since 2001. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| msb | Russia has not. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| MinceR | so you support russia vs us just like the people you look down on support republicans vs democrats or the other way around | Mar 03 12:46 |
| msb | The old "just like" lying propaganda technique. | Mar 03 12:47 |
| MinceR | i wonder how many people russia has murdered in georgia | Mar 03 12:47 |
| msb | You can put any words you want in a person's mouth using that technique. | Mar 03 12:47 |
| MinceR | yet you have no qualms about putting words in other people's mouth | Mar 03 12:47 |
| MinceR | apparently you consider yourself special, above the rules | Mar 03 12:48 |
| MinceR | you dream yourself in the position of a dictator one day, so you can't bring yourself to view them critically. | Mar 03 12:48 |
| MinceR | and everyone who has a different opinion from you must be a "fascist" and a "nazi" | Mar 03 12:48 |
| msb | MinceR: Hopefully the other people here know you are totally lying when you say things like that. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| MinceR | msb: hopefully the other people here know you're lying all the time. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| msb | No, people who support nazis, like the ones who took over Ukraine are fascists. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| MinceR | and people who support dictators are saints, apparently. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| msb | People who purposely confuse "authoritarian" and "fascist" concepts, do it to prevent communication. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| MinceR | which of those two is holy? | Mar 03 12:51 |
| msb | Neither is. But democratic socialism and social democracy are not authoritarian. | Mar 03 12:51 |
| MinceR | depends on how you define those | Mar 03 12:52 |
| MinceR | you seem to be flipping between "democratic socialism" as in Scandinavia and as in the eastern bloc | Mar 03 12:52 |
| MinceR | as if those had anything in common at all. | Mar 03 12:52 |
| MinceR | maybe from a republican's viewpoint they're the same -- "hurrrr soshulizm" | Mar 03 12:53 |
| MinceR | but from mine they're very far apart | Mar 03 12:53 |
| msb | MinceR: you are lying again, or at least mistaken. Scandinavia has social democracy -- high-order welfare state and strongly regulated capitalism -- not socialism. | Mar 03 12:54 |
| MinceR | msb: you're trying to confuse those things, not me | Mar 03 12:54 |
| msb | "<MinceR> you seem to be flipping between "democratic socialism" as in Scandinavia and as in the eastern bloc" | Mar 03 12:55 |
| msb | 3 minutes ago | Mar 03 12:55 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 03 12:55 |
| MinceR | you've proclaimed that vietnam is democratic and socialist | Mar 03 12:55 |
| msb | MinceR: you are lying again, or at least mistaken. Scandinavia has social democracy -- high-order welfare state and strongly regulated capitalism -- not socialism. | Mar 03 12:55 |
| MinceR | you know what, you can keep your ad hominems to yourself. | Mar 03 12:56 |
| MinceR | i'm tired of your bullshit. | Mar 03 12:56 |
| msb | Then stop lying and using lying propaganda techniques. | Mar 03 12:56 |
| MinceR | no u | Mar 03 12:56 |
| MinceR | http://img2.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/украина-россия-ссср-хороший-конец-1101892.gif | Mar 03 12:56 |
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| msb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war#Humanitarian_impact_and_war_crimes Apparently a few thousand were killed. | Mar 03 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russo-Georgian war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqojq ] | Mar 03 13:05 | |
| msb | "<MinceR> i wonder how many people russia has murdered in georgia" | Mar 03 13:06 |
| MinceR | stop highlighting me. | Mar 03 13:07 |
| msb | But Georgia started that war by attacking South Ossetia. | Mar 03 13:07 |
| msb | MinceR: I'm just quoting you. All your lines mentioning "msb" come out in red for me. I think the IRC clients are doing it. | Mar 03 13:08 |
| msb | My client is KDE4 konversation. What is yours? | Mar 03 13:09 |
| msb | MinceR: My IRC client is KDE4 konversation. What is yours? | Mar 03 13:11 |
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| DaemonFC | msb: I still think we should sell Ukraine some A-10s and let them chase the Russians out with those. :) | Mar 03 15:13 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't be enough | Mar 03 15:14 |
| MinceR | also, he doesn't want ukraine to chase the russians out | Mar 03 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: According to Wikipedia, Ukraine doesn't spend very much on its military. | Mar 03 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | Russia has been next door, spending billions on modernizing their own. | Mar 03 15:16 |
| MinceR | a bunch of attack planes wouldn't change that | Mar 03 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Perhaps it was a bad idea to limit the military to 1.1% of GDP when you're next door to a hostile foreign country that is known to invade its neighbors and take whatever they want. | Mar 03 15:17 |
| MinceR | perhaps they were forced to do so | Mar 03 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | Yanukovich probably didn't care about crippling the military. | Mar 03 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | He's been in cahoots with Putin from the beginning. | Mar 03 15:18 |
| msb | DaemonFC: Do you also, like MinceR, prefer the nazis that took control of Ukraine, instead of the elected govt that was allied with Russia? | Mar 03 16:04 |
| msb | The US always backs the worst dictators it can find for a country, because they keep workers from getting rights, which would reduce the profits of wealthy employers -- capitalists. | Mar 03 16:06 |
| MinceR | as opposed to the propaganda to putin's, stalin's and mao's biggest fan here, the current government of ukraine isn't dominated by far right wingers. | Mar 03 16:07 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_ministers_of_ukraine#Cabinet | Mar 03 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cabinet of Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqpq3 ] | Mar 03 16:07 | |
| msb | MinceR is lying again. I am no fan of Stalin or Mao. | Mar 03 16:08 |
| MinceR | s/a to/a of/ | Mar 03 16:08 |
| MinceR | msb is continually lying. | Mar 03 16:08 |
| MinceR | msb falls for all the propaganda tricks of communist/socialist dictatorships | Mar 03 16:08 |
| MinceR | to msb, an election where there's only one option, is a free election. | Mar 03 16:09 |
| *MinceR thinks msb should move to his beloved Cuba and thus fall off the internet. | Mar 03 16:09 | |
| MinceR | (he doesn't believe in freedom of speech or democracy, after all) | Mar 03 16:10 |
| msb | MinceR is lying again. I have never said, here or anywhere else, that I favor Stalin or Mao. | Mar 03 16:10 |
| MinceR | just their policies and tricks. | Mar 03 16:10 |
| MinceR | north korea is another good option for msb | Mar 03 16:10 |
| MinceR | though he'd probably have to get used to the flavor of tree bark | Mar 03 16:11 |
| MinceR | as his beloved "economic" "system" can not produce anything closer to food to the civilians there. | Mar 03 16:11 |
| msb | MinceR cannot say anything about me but lies. | Mar 03 16:11 |
| MinceR | msb cannot say anything about anything but lies. | Mar 03 16:11 |
| msb | As to Cuba, people there are much better off than they were under the murdering torturing Batista, despite the US embargo, and the restrictions of the government. | Mar 03 16:13 |
| msb | Those restrictions were put in place because of the many attacks against Cuba by the US. | Mar 03 16:13 |
| MinceR | more communist lies and propaganda from msb | Mar 03 16:13 |
| MinceR | and still he can't make the case that people could be as well off in a communist dictatorship as in any relatively democratic country with a relatively free market. | Mar 03 16:14 |
| msb | The US did the Bay of Pigs attack, and rained down swine flu and thrips insect pests upon Cuba, and financed fascist opposition. | Mar 03 16:15 |
| MinceR | msb's beloved russia did the holodomor | Mar 03 16:16 |
| MinceR | msb's beloved red china did the "great leap forward" | Mar 03 16:16 |
| msb | Batista was not democratic at all. Cuba was called "The Whorehouse of the Caribbean" under him. Women were slaves. | Mar 03 16:16 |
| MinceR | and the "cultural revolution" | Mar 03 16:16 |
| msb | Again MinceR is lying. I just said that I never have favored Stalin or Mao. | Mar 03 16:17 |
| MinceR | only their policies and their successors | Mar 03 16:18 |
| MinceR | like kgb boss putin | Mar 03 16:18 |
| MinceR | and their acts and their political systems | Mar 03 16:18 |
| msb | Putin is far less restrictive than Stalin. | Mar 03 16:18 |
| MinceR | which is saying a lot, because... | Mar 03 16:18 |
| MinceR | (he still locked up pussy riot, though) | Mar 03 16:19 |
| msb | Yes, that was very bad, and made him look ridiculous to the world. Scared of Pussy! Fortunately they have now been released. | Mar 03 16:20 |
| MinceR | which indicates only that he realized that it made him look bad. | Mar 03 16:20 |
| msb | But they are alive and unharmed. | Mar 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | so they should count their blessings? | Mar 03 16:21 |
| msb | Perhaps. | Mar 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | because it would have been right for msb's favorite Saint Putin to torture them to death? | Mar 03 16:21 |
| msb | At least they got their message out to the world, ironically thanks to Putin. | Mar 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | but it's all right because they quote marxist bullshit instead of hitler's bullshit | Mar 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | what a difference. | Mar 03 16:22 |
| msb | MinceR: is lying again: "<MinceR> because it would have been right for msb's favorite Saint Putin to torture them to death?" | Mar 03 16:22 |
| MinceR | communism is to economy what scientology is to psychology. | Mar 03 16:23 |
| msb | Marxism is not bullshit. Working people should get most of the profit of the businesses they work in, instead of most of it going to the wealthy owners. | Mar 03 16:24 |
| MinceR | marxism led dozens of economies into bankruptcy and millions of people into suffering. | Mar 03 16:24 |
| msb | That's done in some businesses in the US, which are called co-ops. | Mar 03 16:24 |
| MinceR | it destroyed most of the states that adopted it as official ideology. | Mar 03 16:24 |
| MinceR | msb: how exactly is a question a lie? | Mar 03 16:26 |
| msb | The Bolshevik revolution was immediately attacked by armies from US, France, Germany, etc, which invaded and murdered millions. Later it was attacked by the Nazis, which were financed by the US, England, and some wealthy Germans. | Mar 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | the bolshevik revolution also invaded many countries | Mar 03 16:27 |
| msb | Those attacks caused the USSR govt to become authoritarian. | Mar 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | the one i happen to be living in suffered under it for decades. | Mar 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | no, they did not. | Mar 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | the leaders of the ussr caused it to become authoritarian. | Mar 03 16:28 |
| MinceR | of course, the phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat" probably didn't help. | Mar 03 16:28 |
| msb | The same as children who are attacked by psychopath parents and teachers adopt a psychopath personality, that fears and hates everyone. | Mar 03 16:28 |
| msb | Yes, that was a bad idea, along with "vanguard party". | Mar 03 16:28 |
| msb | A question is a lie when it contains lies. MinceR's question contained the lie "msb's favorite Saint Putin". | Mar 03 16:30 |
| MinceR | ooh, he isn't your favorite, then? | Mar 03 16:30 |
| MinceR | who is, then? | Mar 03 16:30 |
| MinceR | kim jong un? | Mar 03 16:30 |
| MinceR | fidel castro? | Mar 03 16:30 |
| MinceR | adolf hitler? | Mar 03 16:30 |
| msb | That's a common lying propaganda technique. It's even done in phone surveys to influence voters. | Mar 03 16:31 |
| msb | MinceR is so confused | Mar 03 16:31 |
| MinceR | is 'never answering the point of a question' also a common lying propaganda technique? | Mar 03 16:31 |
| MinceR | or is it specific to you? | Mar 03 16:31 |
| msb | he can't even remember what I said previously, even minutes ago. | Mar 03 16:31 |
| msb | MinceR just lied again with that question. | Mar 03 16:32 |
| MinceR | msb just lied again with those sentences. | Mar 03 16:32 |
| MinceR | see, two can play this game | Mar 03 16:33 |
| msb | It's not a game. I'm telling the truth. I try to answer MinceR's questions unless they are pure evil lies, like "are kim jong un and adolf hitler your favorite?" | Mar 03 16:34 |
| MinceR | no you're not. | Mar 03 16:34 |
| MinceR | you're saying communist phantasies. | Mar 03 16:34 |
| msb | Namely? | Mar 03 16:34 |
| MinceR | see above. | Mar 03 16:35 |
| msb | That workers should have power over businesses? | Mar 03 16:35 |
| MinceR | that a state where there's only one option in elections can be a democracy | Mar 03 16:35 |
| MinceR | especially if the constitution declares which one party should run everything | Mar 03 16:35 |
| msb | Workers having power over businesses is the main principle of marxism. | Mar 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | ironically, in your favorite states, workers don't have any power over anything | Mar 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | they're the slaves of the government, and the government gets to do with them as it wishes. | Mar 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | if they offend the government, they get killed (or deported and then killed) | Mar 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | they usually aren't even allowed to leave. | Mar 03 16:36 |
| msb | Not in Nicaragua, Vietnam, or Cuba. | Mar 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | and of course the businesses are usually owned by the state | Mar 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | controlled by the government. | Mar 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | not sure about nicaragua, but certainly in vietnam and cuba. | Mar 03 16:37 |
| msb | People vote for which candidates they want, even if they are all in one party. | Mar 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | so they don't get to decide anything | Mar 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | is that so in nicaragua? | Mar 03 16:38 |
| msb | Yes, in Cuba they vote for industry and district leaders. | Mar 03 16:38 |
| MinceR | i asked about nicaragua. | Mar 03 16:38 |
| msb | Yes, there were non-socialists running, and the socialists won by a large margins. | Mar 03 16:38 |
| msb | in Nicaragua | Mar 03 16:38 |
| MinceR | it's ironic how you think that voting for candidates in one party is somehow less democratic than voting for a number of different candidates in different parties, two of which dominate and are controlled by the same businesses, and the rest of which are generally independent. | Mar 03 16:39 |
| msb | The US also has only one party, because Republicans and Democrats are all fascists who don't give workers any control over businesses. | Mar 03 16:39 |
| MinceR | but this sort of warped "thinking" is probably a prerequisite for accepting those dark, brutal, oppressive regimes that you champion. | Mar 03 16:39 |
| MinceR | the US has several other parties. | Mar 03 16:39 |
| MinceR | and they're not excluded from elections by a government claiming that they're "fascists" | Mar 03 16:40 |
| MinceR | unlike in the states you're advertising | Mar 03 16:40 |
| msb | But the controlled news media lies to the voters, so they never vote for anyone but Rs and Ds. | Mar 03 16:40 |
| MinceR | which is worse than a government-controlled "news" media that feeds exclusively government propaganda to the citizens, while all alternatives are brutally shut down, how exactly? | Mar 03 16:41 |
| msb | It doesn't matter if there are other parties in the elections if the voters are mind-controlled by the corporate media so they don't ever vote for them. | Mar 03 16:41 |
| MinceR | the voters are not mind controlled | Mar 03 16:41 |
| MinceR | your idols wish they could mind-control their slaves | Mar 03 16:41 |
| MinceR | but even they can't do it, except maybe in north korea | Mar 03 16:41 |
| msb | Yes they are. The US media never mentions social democrat or socialist candidates. Even Ron Paul, who is very capitalist but anti-war, was not allowed in the debates, and his election votes were not presented to the public. I voted for him. Had to register Repug to vote for him in the primary. | Mar 03 16:43 |
| msb | MinceR lies again " your idols wish they could mind-control their slaves" | Mar 03 16:44 |
| MinceR | they don't wish because they prefer torturing and murdering dissenters | Mar 03 16:45 |
| MinceR | it's more fun that way | Mar 03 16:45 |
| MinceR | right? | Mar 03 16:45 |
| msb | The US media does feed "exclusively government propaganda to the citizens". Corporate-controlled media does the same as govt-controlled media, but allows the govt to claim that there's freedom when there actually isn't. Mind control, as engineered by Edward Bernays, is much more effective for than soldiers in the streets for controlling people, because with mind control the people don't know that they are slaves. | Mar 03 16:47 |
| schestowitz_log_ | http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1328595119727_864692.png | Mar 03 16:48 |
| MinceR | in that case, mind control is effective on msb | Mar 03 16:49 |
| MinceR | the united states does not forcefully shut down competing media. | Mar 03 16:50 |
| MinceR | msb would probably like it here in hungary | Mar 03 16:50 |
| MinceR | he can overlook the fundie ideology in russia, so it should work just the same here. | Mar 03 16:50 |
| msb | MinceR is lying again: "msb would probably like it here in hungary". | Mar 03 16:51 |
| msb | fundie? | Mar 03 16:51 |
| MinceR | msb just lied again with those sentences. | Mar 03 16:51 |
| MinceR | fundamentalist | Mar 03 16:51 |
| MinceR | religious fundamentalist, to be precise | Mar 03 16:51 |
| msb | Almost all JCI religion is harmful, including Russian Orthodox. | Mar 03 16:52 |
| MinceR | afaik putin jailed pussy riot because they dared offend his (newly) precious offshoot of the kiddie-fuckers. | Mar 03 16:52 |
| msb | Could be. | Mar 03 16:52 |
| msb | the united states does not forcefully shut down competing media -- true. It just funds them with money from citizens via advertising, etc, and does not fund alternative media, which therefore cannot compete. | Mar 03 16:54 |
| msb | And thus citizens don't see the alternative media, and so can't get the truth. | Mar 03 16:54 |
| MinceR | the barriers to entry have lowered considerably, enabling alternative media to compete. | Mar 03 16:55 |
| MinceR | and msb does see alternative media. | Mar 03 16:55 |
| msb | Unless they use the Internet, and the govt just shut down net neutrality, so now alternative media on the Net can be killed. | Mar 03 16:55 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Russia | Mar 03 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Freedom of the press in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqq4t ] | Mar 03 16:56 | |
| msb | Yes, I see it (and it is all opposed to the Ukrainian nazi takeover), but most Usians don't know about it. Of course the corporate media never tells them. | Mar 03 16:56 |
| msb | Years ago there was one program about computers and websites called "The Screensavers". Comcast killed it. | Mar 03 16:57 |
| msb | It was a cable program. It even mentioned Linux every week. Comcast bought it, gradually fired all the people, and changed it to video games only. | Mar 03 16:58 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Russia | Mar 03 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russian Internet blacklist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqq64 ] | Mar 03 17:01 | |
| MinceR | The full content of the blacklist is available to ISPs, but not to the general public. | Mar 03 17:01 |
| MinceR | i suppose this also matches msb's idea of government transparency. | Mar 03 17:02 |
| msb | Interestingly, US media have never run a 911 truth program. But Russia Today did! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vka7Da6e9LY&feature=share | Mar 03 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Truthseeker: 9/11 & Operation Gladio (E23) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gplmx ] | Mar 03 17:02 | |
| msb | MinceR lies again! " i suppose this also matches msb's idea of government transparency" | Mar 03 17:03 |
| MinceR | of course it did, as it was after the "truth" in a competing power | Mar 03 17:03 |
| MinceR | would RT ever run a program exposing russian government lies? | Mar 03 17:03 |
| MinceR | msb: ah, so you do want government transparency? | Mar 03 17:04 |
| msb | of course | Mar 03 17:04 |
| MinceR | even though it is not an attribute of your favored states? | Mar 03 17:04 |
| MinceR | i wonder what government transparency would look like in the ussr | Mar 03 17:04 |
| msb | They are not my "favored states", but they are states in which socialism works. | Mar 03 17:04 |
| MinceR | "xy told a joke about stalin we did not like so we put him on the train to siberia." | Mar 03 17:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, and we can see how "well" it works. | Mar 03 17:05 |
| msb | It works fine in Nicaragua, and amazingly well in Cuba considering the US embargo. | Mar 03 17:05 |
| MinceR | it must be amazing to keep all those heathen non-party-members off the internet. | Mar 03 17:06 |
| msb | Cuba has better medical care for poor people than the US does. | Mar 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | yet here you are complaining about what comcast does. | Mar 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | if you were in cuba, complaining about the state isp would end up with you in jail, in the good case | Mar 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | in the bad case, they would simply murder you. | Mar 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | the governments you champion can't tolerate dissent. | Mar 03 17:07 |
| msb | That may happen in the US also. | Mar 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | do you have an example? | Mar 03 17:07 |
| msb | JFK, RFK, MLK, Hunter S Thompson, all murdered by the govt. | Mar 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Mar 03 17:07 |
| msb | Also John Lennon. | Mar 03 17:08 |
| MinceR | also, it's good that communist leaders weren't murdered by their comrades... oh wait. | Mar 03 17:08 |
| MinceR | also citation needed re John Lennon. | Mar 03 17:08 |
| MinceR | also, recent examples needed. | Mar 03 17:09 |
| MinceR | msb: what position do you imagine in, when fantasizing about living in cuba? | Mar 03 17:10 |
| MinceR | msb: what position do you imagine yourself in, when fantasizing about living in cuba? | Mar 03 17:10 |
| MinceR | (left out a word...) | Mar 03 17:10 |
| msb | I don't fantasize about it. But if the SHTF here, I may wish I'd moved there. | Mar 03 17:11 |
| MinceR | if you did, would you join the party? | Mar 03 17:11 |
| msb | Probably not. | Mar 03 17:18 |
| msb | re John Lennon: Mark Chapman was run by the US govt, but may not have been the actual shooter, since the bullet wounds were not inflicted from his location. It was another man, with a history with the govt, who actually did it. Chapman was a patsy, like Oswald. But I haven't found the info yet -- read it years ago. | Mar 03 17:31 |
| msb | The real killer was an employee at the hotel. Here's some of it: http://www.freag.net/en/t/26ymo/was_john_lennon | Mar 03 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freag.net | Was John Lennon murdered by a CIA hitman? - .alt.obituaries [ http://ur1.ca/gqqfd ] | Mar 03 17:33 | |
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| MinceR | msb: what's your profession | Mar 03 19:27 |
| MinceR | ? | Mar 03 19:27 |
| msb | electronics, computer, software engineer consciousness researcher introduce music, cannabis, sharing etc from the 1960s, which I lived in, to the present | Mar 03 19:29 |
| Sosumi | msb = marksman sniper bullseyer | Mar 03 19:29 |
| Sosumi | in other words | Mar 03 19:29 |
| Sosumi | msb killed JFK | Mar 03 19:29 |
| Sosumi | :P | Mar 03 19:29 |
| msb | I've never shot a gun, nor even held one. | Mar 03 19:30 |
| MinceR | msb: bad news -- you're a "class enemy" of communists, just like me :> | Mar 03 19:31 |
| MinceR | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_060b9025f7fa592bcec0.jpg | Mar 03 19:31 |
| Sosumi | lol well | Mar 03 19:32 |
| Sosumi | shoving aside the joke | Mar 03 19:32 |
| Sosumi | Peter Openheimer of crapple | Mar 03 19:32 |
| Sosumi | joined goldman "sucks" board | Mar 03 19:32 |
| MinceR | is really Closedheimer? | Mar 03 19:32 |
| Sosumi | or was it goldman sax | Mar 03 19:33 |
| Sosumi | or goldman sux | Mar 03 19:33 |
| Sosumi | never mind | Mar 03 19:33 |
| Sosumi | expect the service to be much worst now | Mar 03 19:33 |
| MinceR | goldman sucks | Mar 03 19:33 |
| Sosumi | goldman sux is one of the banks doing money laudering for the abc agencies in the US | Mar 03 19:34 |
| Sosumi | and also one of the banks larsoning the portuguese government with the derivative trade | Mar 03 19:35 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Mar 03 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Ping I am trying to get some Ubuntu stuff for an event htat's coming up quite soon, did you get the onlne form I filled in, to do with that? on suggeston of mmhal | Mar 03 20:28 |
| jono | sebsebseb, I approved it | Mar 03 20:42 |
| jono | Michelle will be in touch | Mar 03 20:42 |
| jono | she is sending stuff | Mar 03 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | jono: awesome :) | Mar 03 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | jono: thanks :) | Mar 03 20:47 |
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| jono | sebsebseb, np | Mar 03 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | jono: oh yeah the costs are probably quite a lot more than that £60 I put, I wasn't really sure of costs etc ath te time | Mar 03 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | jono: ,but as long as got enough for say 60 to possibly even 80 people that's great :) | Mar 03 20:55 |
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| MinceR | https://31.media.tumblr.com/d2f510deab12891149c9bf34a374339c/tumblr_n1vdtuuAP31sg3akro1_250.gif | Mar 03 21:32 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713719 | Mar 03 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Video Shows Man S... | Mar 03 21:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | "#texas" | Mar 03 21:41 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713415 | Mar 03 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Voice-recording s... | Mar 03 21:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | "microphones should have a physical switch" | Mar 03 21:42 |
| msb | MinceR: Good -- if Putin sticks his tongue out it means he has a sense of humor. | Mar 03 21:42 |
| MinceR | that's not how humor works | Mar 03 21:42 |
| schestowitz__ | he lies when his lips move | Mar 03 21:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 03 21:43 |
| schestowitz__ | Obama reads when his lips move | Mar 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | they might lie in other cases, too | Mar 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | like when their fingers move | Mar 03 21:43 |
| schestowitz__ | The TelePrompter presidency | Mar 03 21:43 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713280 | Mar 03 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | This is hilarious... | Mar 03 21:44 | |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe they want to verify their database and know the NSA has a more recent backup than they do." | Mar 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Mar 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz__ | Haha, good one | Mar 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivT-I-yxtdY | Mar 03 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Pussy Riot attacked with whips by police at Sochi - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqsh6 ] | Mar 03 21:47 | |
| msb | MinceR: For you, Putin must not have a single good characteristic. | Mar 03 21:47 |
| MinceR | msb: if i were you, i would say: msb is lying yet again! | Mar 03 21:48 |
| msb | MinceR: Tell me a good characteristic that Putin has. | Mar 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713177 | Mar 03 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | #Microsoft booste... | Mar 03 21:48 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Perception management is job one." | Mar 03 21:48 |
| MinceR | msb: i'm not aware of any | Mar 03 21:48 |
| MinceR | msb: which doesn't mean there's none | Mar 03 21:49 |
| msb | MinceR: Like I said... | Mar 03 21:49 |
| MinceR | msb: just that what he exposes to the general public is negative. | Mar 03 21:49 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3711809 | Mar 03 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Venezuelan Open S... | Mar 03 21:49 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Venezuela is becoming like Syria: one party is bad, the other is worse." | Mar 03 21:49 |
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| msb | The psychopaths that attacked Pussy Riot at Sochi were Cossacks, not police. | Mar 03 21:56 |
| msb | So not sent by Putin. | Mar 03 21:57 |
| MinceR | and the ones who locked them up? | Mar 03 21:57 |
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| msb | What are you talking about? | Mar 03 21:58 |
| MinceR | interesting, earlier today you knew what i was talking about | Mar 03 21:58 |
| MinceR | what happened? you received another dose of programming? | Mar 03 21:58 |
| msb | Stop lying, MinceR! I asked what you mean by "<MinceR> and the ones who locked them up?" | Mar 03 21:59 |
| MinceR | stop lying, msb! | Mar 03 21:59 |
| MinceR | also, do your masters feed you well for this? | Mar 03 22:00 |
| msb | schestowitz__: From reading the article it seems like the violence is coming exclusively from anti-government fascist forces, not from the left at all. So the Left party is not bad. | Mar 03 22:05 |
| schestowitz__ | VZ? | Mar 03 22:06 |
| msb | Yes | Mar 03 22:06 |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI plans to open 650 new stores in the United States in 2014, creating good jobs that pay the bills without dumping most of their employees on government welfare, Walmart-style. | Mar 03 22:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Good | Mar 03 22:15 |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> http://www.producenews.com/index.php/news-dep-menu/test-featured/11972-aldi-plans-to-open-650-new-stores | Mar 03 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.producenews.com | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores - The Produce News - Covering fresh produce around the globe since 1897. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndy ] | Mar 03 22:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI offers health insurance to employees who work as little as 20 hours a week. | Mar 03 22:17 |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI also has a dental, vision, and 401(k) plan that Walmart employees don't have. | Mar 03 22:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Same here | Mar 03 22:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Good conditions for workers | Mar 03 22:17 |
| msb | http://www.globalresearch.ca/staged-opposition-violence-in-venezuela-towards-a-colored-revolution/5368759 | Mar 03 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Staged Opposition Violence in Venezuela. Towards a “Colored Revolution”? | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqss9 ] | Mar 03 22:24 | |
| msb | http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855 | Mar 03 22:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Venezuela: Regime Change, Destabilization and the Hidden Hands of U.S. Capitalism | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqssp ] | Mar 03 22:25 | |
| msb | The U.S. thinks it has found a formula for regime change, beginning with destabilization from within. Venezuela’s democratically elected government has long been a target. “Over the last decade or so we have seen this strategy attempted in Zimbabwe, Libya, Iran, and Syria. | Mar 03 22:25 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 03 22:47 |
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| msb | Paul Craig Roberts, whose articles are hosted on CRG (leftist) and Alex Jones infowars.com: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/20/ukraine-drifting-toward-civil-war-great-power-confrontation/ | Mar 04 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Is Ukraine Drifting Toward Civil War And Great Power Confrontation? - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/gqtzc ] | Mar 04 00:48 | |
| msb | Alex Jones is capitalist. | Mar 04 00:48 |
| msb | ...but features 9/11 truth. | Mar 04 00:49 |
| msb | http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/exposed-the-nazi-roots-of-the-european-union/ | Mar 04 04:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jonrappoport.wordpress.com | Exposed: the Nazi roots of the European Union « Jon Rappoport's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/gqvo6 ] | Mar 04 04:24 | |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz__: no, Aldi can fuck right off | Mar 04 04:50 |
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| DaemonFC | Uggh.... | Mar 04 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | msb: Do not eat Wolf brand chili. | Mar 04 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty sure I could run my car on what happens a few hours later. | Mar 04 05:48 |
| msb | Ay Caramba! | Mar 04 05:49 |
| msb | But isn't that just the beans? | Mar 04 05:50 |
| msb | Maybe it's made from actual wolves? | Mar 04 05:50 |
| msb | The John Carpenter remake of The Thing From Outer Space taught us never to leave the house without our flamethrower, right? | Mar 04 05:53 |
| msb | But if you do, and you've eaten Wolf brand chili, you can just turn your back on the enemy, hold a lit match up to your ass, and fart! | Mar 04 05:54 |
| msb | A twenty-foot long cloud of flaming methane! Good for a whole family of monsters or criminals. | Mar 04 05:58 |
| msb | Garlic used to do that for me -- a tragedy! But not anymore! | Mar 04 06:00 |
| msb | Get some Nature's Way Pomegranate Standardized capsules, about $15 for 60. Open one up, drain the powder into a cup of water -- distilled, of course -- and add a 1gr. saccharin tablet. Wait a minute and stir. Delicious, and full of ellagic acid, which is anti-cancer. | Mar 04 06:04 |
| msb | It's a beautifully symmetrical molecule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellagic_acid | Mar 04 06:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ellagic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqwe2 ] | Mar 04 06:06 | |
| msb | The caps are sealed, but you just bite off one end -- the very end -- and roll the cap between thumb and finger to make the powder come out the hole. | Mar 04 06:09 |
| msb | Stores don't carry saccharin tablets anymore -- the only non-harmful artificial sweetener. But Amazon has it. | Mar 04 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | Well, that's better. | Mar 04 06:11 |
| msb | Has nothing to do with garlic farts. I'm just drinking some now. Nice purple color. | Mar 04 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | msb: I don't know what it's made from, but when you have to flush the toilet nine times to get rid of it.... | Mar 04 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'll throw the rest away. | Mar 04 06:12 |
| msb | OMG! Does it try to crawl out??? | Mar 04 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea what must have been in that. | Mar 04 06:13 |
| msb | The worst monsters have whippy tentacles! JC invented that in the remake of The Thing. | Mar 04 06:13 |
| msb | Well, once it's out, do the thing with the lit match and the flame should put it down! | Mar 04 06:15 |
| msb | Oh the Humanity! | Mar 04 06:17 |
| msb | http://hf.dilbert.com/2013-12-22/ | Mar 04 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hf.dilbert.com | The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! | Mar 04 06:18 | |
| msb | My favorite Dilbert! | Mar 04 06:19 |
| msb | The first "Thing" was great too! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044121/combined | Mar 04 06:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Thing from Another World (1951) [ http://ur1.ca/gqwju ] | Mar 04 06:28 | |
| msb | Margaret Sheridan was beautiful! | Mar 04 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | Someone pointed out that the Russian government had almost no debt. | Mar 04 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | I noted that they can't afford to because nobody is giving them an extremely good interest rate. | Mar 04 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | The interest rate on government bonds in Russia has spiked to near record levels. | Mar 04 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | The record was set back in 1998, right before they defaulted on their debt. | Mar 04 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | The interest rates have been unusually high since then because they're still seen as a default risk. | Mar 04 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | If they did it once, they could do it again, so people demand higher returns. | Mar 04 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | The US has a high debt, but very low interest rates. | Mar 04 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | If you invest in US government debt, you're probably not going to beat inflation, so the government is actually making money with debt right now. | Mar 04 06:32 |
| msb | Music by Dimitri Tiomkin, one of the greats. You can still get it on the Net, but I can't say how. | Mar 04 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | The US dollar's status as a reserve currency is on its way back up thanks to other governments kindly trashing their own economies. | Mar 04 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 04 06:35 |
| msb | Russia has lots of gold in the ground. | Mar 04 06:39 |
| msb | Since MinceR isn't here, I can say that without him telling me to go live there. | Mar 04 06:40 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying | Mar 04 06:53 |
| msb | Crap, he's here! | Mar 04 06:54 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3711789 | Mar 04 07:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | "The menu bar and... | Mar 04 07:13 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Ken has fantastic insight." | Mar 04 07:13 |
| MinceR | http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/hungary-an-election-in-question-part-1/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 | Mar 04 07:24 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | The Indiana state lottery is plugging part of the hole in the teacher pension program. | Mar 04 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's a cruel irony. People with poor math skills funding teacher pensions.... LOL | Mar 04 07:28 |
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| MinceR | :> | Mar 04 07:29 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | Satan worshipers already have special rights because Satan worship is a religion. | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | NAMBLA is a religion. They call it the Catholic Church. | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | "Eye....Warship...Satin?" | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | -John Ritter in Stay Tuned. | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Conservatives believe strongly in personal accountability." | Mar 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | LOL! | Mar 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | 65% of senior citizens are conservative, and most of them are on Social Security and Medicare, like their atheist hero Ayn Rand was. | Mar 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | If they're not going to tell me "thank you", then can't they please just shut up while they're spending my money? | Mar 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | "It is the individuals responsibility to pull themselves up, not the government." | Mar 04 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | All life is sacred, until it gets hungry, or sick, or wants an education. | Mar 04 08:05 |
| MinceR | http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/opinion/brooks-putin-cant-stop.html?rref=opinion | Mar 04 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/gqxca ] | Mar 04 08:05 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is good. Every sperm is needed, in your neighborhood! | Mar 04 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is great! If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate! | Mar 04 08:07 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-03/bank-rossii-raises-key-rate-150-basis-points-on-stability-risks.html | Mar 04 08:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com | Russia Raises Main Rate as Ukraine Crisis Threatens Economy - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/gqxfd ] | Mar 04 08:15 | |
| DaemonFC | It looks like Russia's economy is getting ready to be thrown into reverse. | Mar 04 08:15 |
| schestowitz__ | meh | Mar 04 08:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Nayve we'll give him a peace for our time | Mar 04 08:16 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 04 09:26 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2014/03/02/the-incredible-shrinking-work-force/5914315/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin= | Mar 04 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indystar.com | Indiana's incredible shrinking workforce: What is the cause? [ http://ur1.ca/gqyi8 ] | Mar 04 10:12 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1DB2BRPNK6C9 | Mar 04 10:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The Pentagon cuts are almost all being taken out on soldiers and veterans, thanks largely to Republicans. [ http://ur1.ca/gqyq7 ] | Mar 04 10:45 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/27/1280110/-Troops-face-devastating-one-two-punch | Mar 04 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | The Pentagon cuts are almost all being taken out on soldiers and veterans, thanks largely to Republicans who voted down cost of living raises and a veterans benefits bill, yet demand protection for their expensive boondoggles and demand to purchase equipment that the military itself says it has no use for. | Mar 04 10:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | Troops face devastating one-two punch [ http://ur1.ca/gqyq8 ] | Mar 04 10:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Many US soldiers are now so broke, that they need food stamps, which have also been drastically cut. | Mar 04 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | The irony of this is that big corporations are getting exactly what they asked for and then complaining that their businesses are in decline. | Mar 04 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | Some Walmart stores rely on food stamps for 35% of their revenue, and blame the cuts for a large part of their 21% profit decline last quarter. | Mar 04 10:45 |
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| MinceR | http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/how-the-internet-reacted-to-russia-invading-ukraine | Mar 04 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeed.com | How The Internet Reacted To Russia Invading Ukraine [ http://ur1.ca/gqz51 ] | Mar 04 11:40 | |
| msb | Not one mention in that buzzfeed article about the Nazis that seized power in Ukraine by gun violence, and the US that supported them. | Mar 04 12:26 |
| MinceR | putin is at least as much a nazi as those | Mar 04 12:29 |
| MinceR | he's nationalist, he's christian fundamentalist and he's a dictator | Mar 04 12:29 |
| MinceR | and msb here is propping him up | Mar 04 12:29 |
| msb | And for an article about "how the Internet reacted", not one mention of all the alternative news sites that did talk about the US-supported Nazis, from CRG on the left to Alex Jones on the right. | Mar 04 12:29 |
| MinceR | once again showing that the difference between commies and nazis is negligible | Mar 04 12:29 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying | Mar 04 12:29 |
| MinceR | putin is also a commie, having come from the top of the kgb, making him a communazi like viktor orban | Mar 04 12:30 |
| msb | I'm not going to respond to MinceR anymore. He lies, uses personal attacks and propaganda techniques, puts words in my mouth, changes the meanings of concepts, and is incapable of critical thinking. It's useless to communicate with him. I spent all of last night doing it, and it was a waste of time. | Mar 04 12:33 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying | Mar 04 12:33 |
| MinceR | msb is a lying communazi propaganda hole who gets off to russian imperialist military conquest fantasies | Mar 04 12:34 |
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| Sosumi | mike larabel: my apple rmbp seems to already be starting to fail | Mar 04 17:09 |
| Sosumi | just now on twitter | Mar 04 17:09 |
| Sosumi | well, thank that the deficient cooling system crapple put on the thing | Mar 04 17:10 |
| Sosumi | *to | Mar 04 17:10 |
| Sosumi | I actually think that one of the reasons crapple is implemented such deficient cooling solutions is not just for the "beauty" of the machine | Mar 04 17:11 |
| Sosumi | but because the higher heat stresses will also shorten the lifespan of the computer | Mar 04 17:11 |
| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/440896428877942787 | Mar 04 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michaellarabel: my Apple rMBP seems to already be starting to fail.... Thinking of going back to @lenovo or @ASUSUSA for my next main #Linux ultrabook. | Mar 04 17:14 | |
| Sosumi | also, ultrabooks are fail | Mar 04 17:15 |
| Sosumi | huge premium for portability at the expense of computation | Mar 04 17:15 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz__: Top UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for child porn | Mar 04 17:26 |
| XFaCE | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/top-uk-official-involved-in-national-porn-filter-arrested-for-child-porn/ | Mar 04 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Top UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for child porn | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/gr20j ] | Mar 04 17:26 | |
| XFaCE | Sosumi: should I say "of course"? :P | Mar 04 17:26 |
| Sosumi | just stating the facts | Mar 04 17:40 |
| MinceR | i can see the attraction in passive cooling, but not if it cooks the machine | Mar 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | i can also see the attraction in portability, as i'm tired of lugging my tablet pc around :> | Mar 04 17:50 |
| Sosumi | bro | Mar 04 18:07 |
| Sosumi | do you even lift? | Mar 04 18:07 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 04 18:07 |
| MinceR | yup | Mar 04 18:15 |
| MinceR | too much of it :> | Mar 04 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Orban says you're safe from Vlad. | Mar 04 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Does this make you feel better? | Mar 04 18:45 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: no. orban said many things, many of which were lies. | Mar 04 18:45 |
| MinceR | i hope he has enough of a brain to stop the paks2 deal now, though | Mar 04 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | I heard that he's expected to "coast" to re-election. | Mar 04 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | along with the entire party | Mar 04 18:45 |
| MinceR | yeah, hungarian voters are extremely stupid and orban fucked up the voting system | Mar 04 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like Indiana | Mar 04 18:46 |
| MinceR | much worse than indiana. | Mar 04 18:46 |
| MinceR | here's the first article in a series that explains how hard the hungarian election system is fucked up: | Mar 04 18:46 |
| MinceR | http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/hungary-an-election-in-question-part-1/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 | Mar 04 18:46 |
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| DaemonFC | oh... Paul Krugman | Mar 04 18:47 |
| MinceR | in addition to that, almost all of the media is owned by orban and his cronies | Mar 04 18:47 |
| MinceR | and the law does not protect freedom of speech, but represses it. | Mar 04 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana Republicans have a supermajority. | Mar 04 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | They can do anything they want. | Mar 04 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | So, instead of creating jobs, they're changing the topic from their corrupt policies and ineptitude to a gay marriage ban. | Mar 04 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | Which is impressive, since it's already banned. | Mar 04 18:48 |
| MinceR | also, proceeding with paks2 may require leaving the NATO, which would be another invitation for msb's favorite communazi to march in. | Mar 04 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | "We have to ban it again in case those pesky courts get involved!" | Mar 04 18:49 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 04 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | This ignores the fact that a federal court can strike down part of a state constitution. | Mar 04 18:49 |
| MinceR | only part of it? | Mar 04 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | The ban is in no danger in state courts, because the judges were appointed by the Republicans. | Mar 04 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | Any part that violated federal law or the federal constitution. | Mar 04 18:50 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 04 18:50 |
| MinceR | so making a gay marriage ban the whole of the constitution is no way out :> | Mar 04 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | Alabama's constitution is the longest and worst-written constitution in the world. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| MinceR | unlikely | Mar 04 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | It's full of racism and homophobia. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | I believe it even still says that women don't have a right to vote. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| MinceR | hungary's would be a pretty good contender. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| Sosumi | so they fear men in hungary | Mar 04 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | The federal courts have struck down lots of it. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| Sosumi | homophobia = fear of men | Mar 04 18:51 |
| MinceR | it starts off with christian fundamentalist nationalist bullshit and the rest is so badly thought out they've already amended it four or five times in the last 4 years. | Mar 04 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | It also says that you have to be a Christian to hold a state office and that you have to swear an oath to God before you take office. | Mar 04 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | The federal courts struck that down too. | Mar 04 18:52 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe alabama's is indeed worse | Mar 04 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana's starts out with a very Christian fundamentalist preamble. | Mar 04 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | But it proceeds to strong separation of church and state. | Mar 04 18:53 |
| gde33 | it isn't even in India | Mar 04 18:53 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 04 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana's constitution states that people have a right to freedom from religion. | Mar 04 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | Or having their money support it in any way. | Mar 04 18:54 |
| MinceR | that's nice. is it enforced? | Mar 04 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | Well, yes and no. | Mar 04 18:55 |
| gde33 | what about keeping church and law seperate? | Mar 04 18:55 |
| gde33 | Dont you have laws like that? | Mar 04 18:55 |
| MinceR | separation of church and state implies that | Mar 04 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | Churches aren't taxed, so they are getting a subsidy. | Mar 04 18:56 |
| gde33 | ah yes, "state" was what I was looking for | Mar 04 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | Federal courts have generally found that states must have a valid state interest in passing a law. | Mar 04 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | They've rationalized the gay marriage ban in every way you can think of. | Mar 04 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | But, the federal courts are striking them down left and right. | Mar 04 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | The US Supreme Court is expected to strike them all down within a year or two. | Mar 04 18:57 |
| gde33 | "valid state interests" *shrug* | Mar 04 18:58 |
| gde33 | so it is not the peoples government but it's own | Mar 04 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Under the new election framework, the allied opposition parties cannot win a parliamentary majority, even if they gain more votes than the governing party. " | Mar 04 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: We have that. | Mar 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Democratic House candidates had 51% of the vote in 2012, but only got 46% of the House seats. | Mar 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans run most of the states and drew House districts around the voters. | Mar 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats would have to get 56% of the vote to be guaranteed a majority in the House. | Mar 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | Although it would be achievable under the right circumstances with 53-54% | Mar 04 19:00 |
| gde33 | unfair but not a real problem as they really only represent 5% or so | Mar 04 19:00 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the playing field is much more tilted in hungary. | Mar 04 19:00 |
| gde33 | Not entirely on topic I admit, I keep comming back to the same thoughts, I'm always very motivated to do something for the greater good, until I talk with other people. | Mar 04 19:00 |
| MinceR | especially if you consider that they've handed out citizenships to people who don't even live here but support the nazis. | Mar 04 19:01 |
| MinceR | and that they've unilaterally gerrymandered the whole country in one fell swoop | Mar 04 19:01 |
| gde33 | My latest simplification is to make a website, then register people who actually care what their government does. | Mar 04 19:01 |
| MinceR | and locked it into law that requires a 2/3 majority to change. | Mar 04 19:01 |
| gde33 | It seems most easy in the US where people are far more interested in the rule of law | Mar 04 19:03 |
| gde33 | With just a few million people globally we could accomplish great things. | Mar 04 19:06 |
| gde33 | a place where people holding opposing opinions can join forces, have something we can all agree about. | Mar 04 19:08 |
| MinceR | it's a pity that we're opposed by people with massive amounts of resources | Mar 04 19:09 |
| gde33 | we should compensate with ambition | Mar 04 19:09 |
| MinceR | they do not lack for ambition. | Mar 04 19:10 |
| gde33 | an organisation twice as big has something like 4 times as much influence | Mar 04 19:10 |
| gde33 | all we need to do is unite | Mar 04 19:10 |
| gde33 | Politicans cant oppose public opinion if it is well documented | Mar 04 19:11 |
| gde33 | they can only follow | Mar 04 19:11 |
| MinceR | public opinion is determined by the masses who don't care and don't understand. | Mar 04 19:12 |
| gde33 | that is why I want to filter out the people who do care and make a public opinion from that | Mar 04 19:12 |
| gde33 | arguably those who couldn't care less are not worth asking for their opinion | Mar 04 19:13 |
| gde33 | it just bothers them | Mar 04 19:13 |
| gde33 | I could build quite the distributed intelect :D | Mar 04 19:14 |
| gde33 | MinceR: imho one should never create an opinion for other people | Mar 04 19:16 |
| gde33 | it is good to anticipate what people will do or say but try never mention it. | Mar 04 19:17 |
| gde33 | MinceR: For example: I already knew you didn't want to help me with the website. But I still have to aks you, my imagination isn't you. | Mar 04 19:18 |
| gde33 | Why would people be motivated if they cant accomplish something? | Mar 04 19:22 |
| gde33 | When the mechanism of choice accomplishes something the lack of motivation looses it's base. | Mar 04 19:23 |
| MinceR | you didn't ask me :> | Mar 04 19:26 |
| MinceR | oh, this was that commit to hear an idea thing? i didn't recognize it. | Mar 04 19:29 |
| gde33 | MinceR: it was just an example, maybe not such a good one but if I have to navigate by anticipation I might as well kill myself today. | Mar 04 19:34 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 04 19:38 |
| MinceR | don't give up | Mar 04 19:38 |
| gde33 | precicely! | Mar 04 19:39 |
| *freedomrun has quit (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish) | Mar 04 19:42 | |
| msb | MinceR lied about me again: "<MinceR> also, proceeding with paks2 may require leaving the NATO, which would be another invitation for msb's favorite communazi to march in." | Mar 04 19:44 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 19:45 |
| gde33 | not very politically correct :P | Mar 04 19:46 |
| MinceR | he never was | Mar 04 19:46 |
| gde33 | lets talk about the 150 year war against free energy inventors. | Mar 04 19:47 |
| gde33 | the academic argument seems to be that if you dont investigate something it doesn't exist. | Mar 04 19:48 |
| gde33 | just ignore it and it stops existing | Mar 04 19:49 |
| msb | Putin is not my favorite anything. He is of value only as a counter to US fascism and mass murder. Also "communazi" is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. The Nazis were financed by US capitalists to destroy the communists, socialists, social democrats and trade unionists, and they did, wherever they could find them. The Nazis invaded Russia and murdered 16-20 million people. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Mar 04 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Mar 04 19:49 | |
| MinceR | yeah, totalitarian dictatorship is the opposite of totalitarian dictatorship | Mar 04 19:50 |
| gde33 | financed by US capitalists also to kill US citizens | Mar 04 19:50 |
| MinceR | and in msb's mind, there's no other option. | Mar 04 19:50 |
| msb | gde33: Who, the Nazis? | Mar 04 19:51 |
| gde33 | unless we have something to agree about and work on together nothing said here will do anything :P | Mar 04 19:51 |
| gde33 | msb: yes | Mar 04 19:51 |
| msb | But the Nazis never invaded the US. | Mar 04 19:51 |
| msb | How would they kill US citizens? | Mar 04 19:52 |
| gde33 | in the great recession the US capitalists stripped down the citizens | Mar 04 19:52 |
| gde33 | then send them naked to Europe to die | Mar 04 19:52 |
| msb | in WW2 | Mar 04 19:52 |
| msb | Well, sort of, then. | Mar 04 19:52 |
| gde33 | just like people could chose to either go to Iraq or be unemployed | Mar 04 19:52 |
| gde33 | a lot of weapons used cause veins in the brain to explode, it can take some months before the so called post traumatic stress kicks in | Mar 04 19:53 |
| gde33 | then they kill themselves | Mar 04 19:54 |
| gde33 | the US government can just create money and employ people to do anything, killing brown people has to be the least productive choice. | Mar 04 19:55 |
| gde33 | if it is the only choice you dont have one | Mar 04 19:56 |
| gde33 | http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/30-percent-iraq-afghanistan-veterans-have-mulled-suicide-survey-v19795613 | Mar 04 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | 30 percent of Iraq, Afghanistan veterans have mulled suicide: survey - NBC News [ http://ur1.ca/gr3bx ] | Mar 04 19:56 | |
| gde33 | cut unemployment by 30% ! | Mar 04 19:57 |
| msb | gde33: As to free energy, while I'd love it to be real, and while Stanley Meyer was obviously murdered, these days its very easy to distribute the info about any valid free energy technique so widely that murder can't silence it. Yet nobody has done so. | Mar 04 19:57 |
| msb | its --> it's | Mar 04 19:58 |
| gde33 | the information is alll over the internet | Mar 04 19:58 |
| msb | But none of it works, or people would be building and selling them. | Mar 04 19:58 |
| gde33 | like I said, by not investigating any of it people claim to know what it is | Mar 04 19:59 |
| msb | Wouldn't you pay hundreds of dollars for a | Mar 04 19:59 |
| gde33 | I'm going to have to call it BS sorry. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| gde33 | take this for example: BlackLight has produced millions of watts of power in a volume that is one ten thousandths of a liter corresponding to a power density of over an astonishing 10 billion watts per liter. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| msb | Bearden MEG if it worked? But it doesn't. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| gde33 | beardens MEG was not good enough to use. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| gde33 | there are many others but, lets stick with Blacklight for a moment. | Mar 04 20:00 |
| msb | The patent says it generates tens of watts. So it could be put in a box with a lightbulb socket on top, and the bulb would light indefinitely. But it doesn't work at all. | Mar 04 20:00 |
| gde33 | they have formal lab results, university students working on their stuff. | Mar 04 20:01 |
| gde33 | blacklight power cant be debunked with a bearden straw man ;) | Mar 04 20:01 |
| msb | OK, BlackLight is the one technology that I think is probably real. But in about 20 years they have not produced anything for sale. | Mar 04 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-10/forint-plunges-as-goldman-sachs-warns-on-hungary-rate-outlook | Mar 04 20:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessweek.com | Forint Plunges as Goldman Sachs Warns on Hungary Rate Outlook - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/gr3dh ] | Mar 04 20:01 | |
| gde33 | cant sell something if public opinion argues it not to exist | Mar 04 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: One of the retarded things that Republicans in Indiana did was spend money creating a commission to study how Indiana would fare if it had to become its own country because of the collapse of our federal government. | Mar 04 20:03 |
| msb | Not so. If it works, some people would buy it, and eventually everybody would buy it when they saw that it works. | Mar 04 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | The state would be in serious trouble. | Mar 04 20:03 |
| gde33 | DaemonFC: that doesn't sound like a bad idea? | Mar 04 20:03 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, it could help if it convinced them to not secede if secession turns out to be a bad idea | Mar 04 20:03 |
| gde33 | msb: that never happened | Mar 04 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | The state of Indiana gets way more out of the federal government than it puts into it. | Mar 04 20:04 |
| gde33 | msb: we've had inventors like this 150 years ago | Mar 04 20:04 |
| gde33 | msb: a new one every year, it never happened | Mar 04 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Secession is illegal. | Mar 04 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | There is no constitutional method for a US state to secede. | Mar 04 20:04 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the constitution could be changed. | Mar 04 20:04 |
| MinceR | unconstitutional methods could be employed. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| gde33 | DaemonFC: wouldn't such an investigation show that? | Mar 04 20:05 |
| msb | I phoned them up once, and they said they'd never tested hydrinos for toxicity. Since Randell Mills is and M.D., I find it very hard to believe that he hasn't fed some hydrinos to rats. So maybe they are toxic. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | That's highly unlikely. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| msb | and --> an | Mar 04 20:05 |
| gde33 | DaemonFC: show what it gets out of the federal deal? | Mar 04 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Well, first the state would need a military for the second option. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: but if it turns out that it's pointless to fight for, then they have no reason to try. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | gde33: Federal block grants. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: dunno, there are a few sovereign states without a military of their own. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | Federal highway funds. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| MinceR | (one could question how sovereign they are, though.) | Mar 04 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | Social insurance coverage. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| gde33 | msb: my argument isn't that it must be real, it is that one cant argue something to be unreal without looking into it. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| gde33 | I'm not offended by liars who want money. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | The federal government has the obligation to provide defense. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they could start, try and scrape the money together, and then fail hard. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Right. The state budget falls apart without the federal subsidies and bailouts. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| gde33 | if anything they would have to ballance the books | Mar 04 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans are balancing Indiana's budgets on federal deficits. | Mar 04 20:07 |
| gde33 | which seems a cool idea | Mar 04 20:07 |
| msb | gde33: Any inventor who wanted to publish complete FE creation info could do it safely on the Net now. But they don't, because they want to make a profit. | Mar 04 20:07 |
| gde33 | msb: there are sooooo many | Mar 04 20:07 |
| gde33 | you imagine they don't | Mar 04 20:08 |
| msb | But for any of the 150 years of inventors who have published sufficient info, nobody has tried it and made it work. | Mar 04 20:08 |
| msb | Unless you think they were all secretly murdered. | Mar 04 20:08 |
| gde33 | be realistic, how much money is there in energy? | Mar 04 20:08 |
| gde33 | kill one guy is a big deal now? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| msb | $trillions | Mar 04 20:09 |
| gde33 | after all the petroleum wars? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| gde33 | they have trillions to divide, surely there is enough money there to kill someone? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| msb | How would the fascists find all the people trying to duplicate FE in their basements? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| gde33 | or at least scare them properly? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| msb | Before they revealed success in public. | Mar 04 20:09 |
| gde33 | good question | Mar 04 20:09 |
| gde33 | actually they dont, people publish things then they get ignored | Mar 04 20:10 |
| msb | Yes, isn't it. | Mar 04 20:10 |
| gde33 | only if they dont get ignored they are made to shut up | Mar 04 20:10 |
| gde33 | Meyer got patents in canada and international patents, that was why they couldn't shut him down under national security laws | Mar 04 20:10 |
| gde33 | all the others did get silenced | Mar 04 20:10 |
| gde33 | while the general public laughed at them | Mar 04 20:11 |
| msb | If anyone built a successful FE machine, they could write the complete info on a sheet of paper, xerox 10,000 copies, and send it to so many people that a few of them would also duplicate it. | Mar 04 20:11 |
| msb | That would prevent getting silenced. | Mar 04 20:11 |
| msb | Nobody has ever done it. | Mar 04 20:11 |
| gde33 | they could, then nothing would happen | Mar 04 20:11 |
| msb | Wouldn't you build one? I certainly would. | Mar 04 20:12 |
| gde33 | you could be one of the few who would build the replication | Mar 04 20:12 |
| gde33 | then you would be added to the laughing stock | Mar 04 20:12 |
| msb | And you also, right? | Mar 04 20:12 |
| gde33 | anyone | Mar 04 20:12 |
| msb | I don't care if people laugh at me. | Mar 04 20:12 |
| gde33 | some are that strong | Mar 04 20:13 |
| msb | Hell, I'd build and sell them, and laugh all the way to the bank. | Mar 04 20:13 |
| gde33 | evidently you didnt ;) | Mar 04 20:13 |
| msb | Because there aren't any that work (except maybe blacklight). | Mar 04 20:14 |
| gde33 | that suggests you have a list with all of them on it | Mar 04 20:14 |
| gde33 | you have no such list | Mar 04 20:14 |
| msb | There's dozens of them on a yahoo list who built MEGs. None of them worked. | Mar 04 20:14 |
| gde33 | when the claim is made you have to fly there and observe it first hand before the NDA's are signed | Mar 04 20:15 |
| gde33 | you have only a tiny window to see anything | Mar 04 20:15 |
| msb | Well that's the problem. If they want to make a profit, and have people sign NDAs, then that kills it, because they can be killed or scared off. | Mar 04 20:15 |
| gde33 | I'm not impressed by the evidence presented, evidence for a claim it didnt work is entirely unconvincing. | Mar 04 20:16 |
| msb | It has to be publicized widely. Has to be made public anyhow for a patent. | Mar 04 20:16 |
| gde33 | technology is bought by an organisation buying such things | Mar 04 20:17 |
| msb | gde33: So have you ever built any FE machines, if that's the way you feel? | Mar 04 20:17 |
| gde33 | then they sell the technology to big energy players | Mar 04 20:17 |
| msb | Of course. | Mar 04 20:17 |
| gde33 | I've tried to talk with scientists about the many claims | Mar 04 20:17 |
| msb | That's why the entire info has to be made public and spread widely. | Mar 04 20:17 |
| gde33 | I listened to their response, they are always 100% convinced before even reading something. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| gde33 | they are so convinced there is nothing there that they are offended by the question. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| msb | But you don't need to be a scientist to build one. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| gde33 | it would help to get at least some of them on the good side | Mar 04 20:18 |
| msb | I could build a cyclotron or an electron microscope on my kitchen table. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| msb | Help what? Any skilled DIYer could build one without the approval of any scientist. | Mar 04 20:19 |
| gde33 | if you try to set up any sort of community it will be destroyed | Mar 04 20:20 |
| gde33 | websites vanish | Mar 04 20:20 |
| gde33 | it is not a climate anyone can work in | Mar 04 20:20 |
| msb | BS. The info can be sent to 1000 yahoo lists and a dozen websites. | Mar 04 20:20 |
| gde33 | it can be, more usually someone makes a whole website dedicated to a topic | Mar 04 20:21 |
| gde33 | when that vanishes it takes most if not all of the information with it | Mar 04 20:21 |
| msb | Then someone could go to a safer country than the US with good internet and make a dozen websites and post to 1000 yahoo and other mailing lists. | Mar 04 20:22 |
| msb | That would give tens of thousands of people copies of the info on their home computers. | Mar 04 20:22 |
| gde33 | work your ass off to give a trillion euro invention away? | Mar 04 20:22 |
| gde33 | to people who dont want it? | Mar 04 20:22 |
| msb | The murderers can't work fast enough to stop that, or to kill or secretly threaten tens of thousands of people. | Mar 04 20:23 |
| msb | Patent it and license the patent. | Mar 04 20:23 |
| gde33 | take the oil spill for example, Pantone's GEET engine can just run on 80% salt water + some sort of petroleum product | Mar 04 20:23 |
| gde33 | there are about 5000 replications of that | Mar 04 20:24 |
| gde33 | in france they tried to arrest people for using the illegal modification but they just gave up | Mar 04 20:24 |
| msb | Are you sure? I've talked with Pantone and even given him a few dollars. But why would anyone put salt water into an engine or any convertor? | Mar 04 20:24 |
| gde33 | it is a plasma reaction, it doesnt matter what you put in it | Mar 04 20:25 |
| gde33 | it will run on suggar water + old oil | Mar 04 20:25 |
| msb | Sorry, plasma reactions depend very much on what you put in them. | Mar 04 20:25 |
| gde33 | the science just wasn't done on it | Mar 04 20:26 |
| gde33 | no one claims to know what is going on | Mar 04 20:26 |
| gde33 | all we know is that the exhaust is clean air | Mar 04 20:26 |
| msb | He said there's a blue glow, so maybe it's orgone. | Mar 04 20:26 |
| gde33 | that was established by people trying to shut him down | Mar 04 20:26 |
| msb | But they haven't, and he or his son are still teaching classes in it. | Mar 04 20:26 |
| gde33 | he is just a crazy guy of course | Mar 04 20:26 |
| gde33 | we cant expect him to leverage the tech | Mar 04 20:27 |
| gde33 | they put him in a mental institution for 5 years, tortured him into a wheelchair | Mar 04 20:27 |
| msb | Well if it's really giving super gas mileage it should catch on eventually. | Mar 04 20:27 |
| msb | Yes, I know. | Mar 04 20:27 |
| gde33 | he is alergic to peniciline, they gave him daily shots | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gde33 | turning him into a sort of walking corps / zombie | Mar 04 20:28 |
| msb | His mind is fine. | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gde33 | more paranoid than ever | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gde33 | when he started promoting the technology he was actually rich | Mar 04 20:28 |
| msb | With good reason, but still teaching. | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gde33 | he had a lot of houses he rented to people | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gde33 | those all got smashed | Mar 04 20:28 |
| msb | I don't know why the ghouls don't just kill him, but they haven't. Thank Goddess. | Mar 04 20:29 |
| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQjCURl54E | Mar 04 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | NBC shows OIL SPILL SOLUTION, GEET - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gr3mb ] | Mar 04 20:29 | |
| gde33 | MIT build something like it a while back | Mar 04 20:31 |
| gde33 | then it was shut down again lol | Mar 04 20:31 |
| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUNoQLzj00E | Mar 04 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | MIT Plasmatron Principles of the Pantone GEET - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gr3mw ] | Mar 04 20:31 | |
| gde33 | MIT patent is form 1995 | Mar 04 20:35 |
| gde33 | meyer was using something much like it | Mar 04 20:37 |
| gde33 | just to boost efficency ofc | Mar 04 20:37 |
| gde33 | it isnt perpetual motion, there are many unused combusion engine improvements. | Mar 04 20:38 |
| gde33 | a british inventor claims he build one with a single moving part :D | Mar 04 20:38 |
| msb | gde33: Thanks, those videos are encouraging! | Mar 04 20:43 |
| gde33 | it begs to wonder wtf happened? | Mar 04 20:43 |
| msb | Somebody posted to usenet a mod to a lawnmower engine to make it run on water. The sparkplug was replaced by something else, but I can't remember what. I must have a copy of the article somewhere, but so far I haven't found it. | Mar 04 20:44 |
| gde33 | meyer eventually reduced his whole contraption to the size of a spark plug | Mar 04 20:45 |
| msb | Now I remember. It was an oven magnetron, just like in MIlls simple H/He demo. | Mar 04 20:45 |
| msb | I wish Meyer had published it widely. | Mar 04 20:45 |
| gde33 | if the [racing spark plug] spark has enough voltage the engine can run on watter, it is just hard to make it efficent. | Mar 04 20:46 |
| gde33 | I think it was 20 kv, then the amps drop | Mar 04 20:47 |
| msb | If it's over-unity, people would pay attention. If not, it's just a steam engine. 8^) | Mar 04 20:47 |
| msb | ...running on electricity. | Mar 04 20:47 |
| gde33 | have to register it as an electric car | Mar 04 20:48 |
| gde33 | because the exhaust isn't enough to get the offical measurement results. | Mar 04 20:48 |
| gde33 | (exhaust measurements) | Mar 04 20:48 |
| msb | Presumably water engines split the water and use the hydrino effect on the resulting hydrogen. | Mar 04 20:49 |
| msb | But I still worry that hydrinos are toxic. Deuterium oxid -- heavy water -- is. | Mar 04 20:49 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/official-who-set-guidelines-british-internet-porn-filters-arrested-child-porn-charge | Mar 04 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Official Who Set Guidelines For British Internet Porn Filters Arrested On Child Porn Charges | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gr3ug ] | Mar 04 20:51 | |
| Sosumi | if I wanted to get rid of someone | Mar 04 20:51 |
| msb | I used to be on the vortex-l alt. energy list, but the bastard kicked me off for one post supporting someone who posted about energy politics. And after I'd helped him with his list software! | Mar 04 20:52 |
| Sosumi | I'd plant child pron on his computer | Mar 04 20:52 |
| msb | I should download all the archives and see if there's anything interesting there. | Mar 04 20:52 |
| gde33 | msb: controlled opposition | Mar 04 20:52 |
| Sosumi | or modify logs | Mar 04 20:52 |
| msb | Could be. | Mar 04 20:52 |
| msb | Hard to diffentiate between evil and stupidity. | Mar 04 20:53 |
| gde33 | not that hard | Mar 04 20:53 |
| msb | Sosumi: Cracking is something I've never gotten into. | Mar 04 20:53 |
| msb | Sometimes not that hard. | Mar 04 20:54 |
| Sosumi | cracking is a mandatory skill in this day and age | Mar 04 20:54 |
| msb | BlackLight now claims to have something like a hydrino fuel-cell. Quite simple. | Mar 04 20:54 |
| msb | Generates electricity directly. | Mar 04 20:55 |
| gde33 | Sosumi: on the other hand he got what he deserved | Mar 04 20:55 |
| Sosumi | yep | Mar 04 20:55 |
| gde33 | these half truths used to filter the whole web? | Mar 04 20:55 |
| msb | Who did? | Mar 04 20:55 |
| gde33 | the child pornographer internet filter guy | Mar 04 20:56 |
| msb | Haven't heard of that. What did he do? | Mar 04 20:56 |
| gde33 | sosumi just posted a link | Mar 04 20:56 |
| gde33 | http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/07/29/how-internet-in-the-uk-is-sleepwalking-into-censorship/ the filtering isn’t just of porn, rather it includes nine other categories, such as “esoteric material,” “web forums,” and “extremist and terrorist related content.” | Mar 04 20:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libertyblitzkrieg.com | How Internet in the UK is “Sleepwalking into Censorship” | A Lightning War for Liberty [ http://ur1.ca/gr3y8 ] | Mar 04 20:57 | |
| msb | Esoteric material??? Extremist? Web forums!!! | Mar 04 21:01 |
| msb | Time to start mesh wifi, laser links, DI | Mar 04 21:01 |
| gde33 | haha | Mar 04 21:01 |
| msb | DIY fiber, etc. | Mar 04 21:01 |
| gde33 | yeah! | Mar 04 21:01 |
| gde33 | mesh netwerked drones | Mar 04 21:02 |
| msb | What's that wonderful movie with the "eat me beat me girl" ? | Mar 04 21:03 |
| gde33 | The pirate bay will be hosted on drones if the establishment wants it | Mar 04 21:03 |
| msb | Pump Up The Volume -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/combined | Mar 04 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pump Up the Volume (1990) [ http://ur1.ca/gr3zr ] | Mar 04 21:04 | |
| msb | Christian Slater runs a pirate radio station for highschool kids. Samantha Mathis is the EMBM girl. Super-great movie, and a wonderful kicker at the very end. | Mar 04 21:05 |
| gde33 | ill download it :) | Mar 04 21:17 |
| msb | Great songs, too! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/soundtrack | Mar 04 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pump Up the Volume (1990) - Soundtracks - IMDb [ http://ur1.ca/gr43g ] | Mar 04 21:18 | |
| Sosumi | msb, smoke signals + pattern recognition > all | Mar 04 21:24 |
| msb | Sosumi: ??? | Mar 04 21:25 |
| Sosumi | just joking <msb>: (...) mesh wifi, laser links | Mar 04 21:26 |
| MinceR | msb's dreamland >> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-19-2014/jason-jones-live-from-sochi-ish---better-off-red | Mar 04 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailyshow.com | Jason Jones Live From Sochi-ish - Better Off Red - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 02/19/14 - Video Clip | Comedy Central [ http://ur1.ca/gr45g ] | Mar 04 21:27 | |
| MinceR | and he has the nerve to call others "republican" | Mar 04 21:27 |
| msb | MinceR lies again. I guess he'll never stop. He's obssessed with "commies". "<MinceR> msb's dreamland" | Mar 04 21:36 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 21:36 |
| msb | obsessed | Mar 04 21:36 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 21:36 |
| msb | He just attacks out of the blue, when the discussion has nothing to do with "commies". He's nuts. | Mar 04 21:37 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 21:38 |
| MinceR | he mad. | Mar 04 21:40 |
| MinceR | it's cute how only msb is allowed to attack people. | Mar 04 21:41 |
| MinceR | just like only putin is allowed to attack other countries and only yanukovych and putin are allowed to have unlimited wealth | Mar 04 21:48 |
| gde33 | You are both easily baited, makes for a healthy relationship imho. | Mar 04 21:50 |
| gde33 | hahaha | Mar 04 21:50 |
| gde33 | just use the doctine of universal love | Mar 04 21:51 |
| MinceR | it doesn't work | Mar 04 21:51 |
| gde33 | not for you personally, but it works for everyone arround you | Mar 04 21:51 |
| MinceR | it doesn't really work for anyone | Mar 04 21:51 |
| MinceR | especially so long as the majority is predisposed toward harming everything they can reach | Mar 04 21:52 |
| gde33 | people are mostly a product of their environment | Mar 04 21:52 |
| MinceR | one person doesn't make an environment. | Mar 04 21:52 |
| gde33 | sure, people tried to hurt and punish me for each good dead | Mar 04 21:52 |
| gde33 | thats just who they are | Mar 04 21:53 |
| MinceR | and that's the people you're stuck with. | Mar 04 21:53 |
| gde33 | I'm not going to recompile my whole personality just because some retard posted a dysfunctional patch | Mar 04 21:53 |
| gde33 | I'm not influenced by it | Mar 04 21:53 |
| MinceR | well, not by patches | Mar 04 21:53 |
| MinceR | not necessarily, i mean | Mar 04 21:54 |
| gde33 | I might be stuck with them, they are stuck with themselves. | Mar 04 21:54 |
| gde33 | On the other hand, if humans would live forever I would kill all of them. | Mar 04 21:56 |
| gde33 | all these knee jerks | Mar 04 21:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 04 21:56 |
| gde33 | but why bother? | Mar 04 21:56 |
| MinceR | they'd beat you to it. | Mar 04 21:56 |
| msb | I'm not that easily baited. Once I find that discussion with someone is useless/impossible, I bow out, as I did some hours ago. But when he directly lies about me, I may correct it. | Mar 04 21:56 |
| gde33 | nah they are much to dumb | Mar 04 21:56 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 21:56 |
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| gde33 | I always encurage people who lie about me | Mar 04 21:57 |
| MinceR | does it work? | Mar 04 21:57 |
| gde33 | sure, I'm having a ton of fun | Mar 04 21:58 |
| gde33 | it is not like such efforts accumulate to anything | Mar 04 21:58 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll give it a try | Mar 04 21:58 |
| gde33 | If I admire the person, then their opinion may be upsetting. | Mar 04 22:03 |
| gde33 | but only in relevant context :D | Mar 04 22:03 |
| MinceR | http://ct.fra.bz/il/fz/se/i37/2/7/9/f_9bb5c4815d.jpg | Mar 04 22:18 |
| gde33 | haha | Mar 04 22:19 |
| MinceR | http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-1-10-americans-html-std-study-finds-20140304,0,1188415.story#axzz2v1QcBT6r | Mar 04 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latimes.com | 1 in 10 Americans think HTML is an STD, study finds - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/gr4lo ] | Mar 04 22:21 | |
| Sosumi | yes | Mar 04 22:24 |
| Sosumi | use plain txt only | Mar 04 22:24 |
| Sosumi | *text | Mar 04 22:24 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 04 22:25 |
| gde33 | hyper sex | Mar 04 22:25 |
| MinceR | :D | Mar 04 22:26 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Mar 04 22:30 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 04 22:30 |
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| MinceR | gn | Mar 04 23:39 |
| gde33 | I just noticed how easy you can find people endorsing drone killings on the internet. | Mar 04 23:51 |
| gde33 | Apparently they have no imagination, a few decades from now they will be the first targets. | Mar 04 23:51 |
| gde33 | When everyone has one | Mar 04 23:51 |
| gde33 | https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/25/tried-silence-drone-victim-kareem-khan/ | Mar 04 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | Who Tried to Silence Drone Victim Kareem Khan? - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gr5c1 ] | Mar 04 23:52 | |
| gde33 | if they can abduct people from their house just like that they dont even need drones | Mar 04 23:53 |
| gde33 | they seem not to grasp how nasty these things are | Mar 04 23:54 |
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| Samizdat | great God Jesus, there is some life left on IRC | Mar 05 05:45 |
| Samizdat | (we think there is, anyway -- we'll reserve final judgment for whether there's any posts but these two of mine over the next, say -- what's a fair number -- twelve hours) | Mar 05 05:48 |
| Samizdat | pardons, make that three: we said "mine" but meant to say "ours" | Mar 05 05:52 |
| tessier | Samizdat: eh? | Mar 05 06:18 |
| tessier | There is no God Jesus btw. That's just a myth. | Mar 05 06:18 |
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| MinceR | :> | Mar 05 06:52 |
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| msb | I think there was a Jesus, said some good things. But not a god. | Mar 05 07:08 |
| msb | If You Use That Which Is Within You, Nothing Outside Of You Can Harm You. If You Do Not Use That Which Is Within You, Nothing Outside Of You Can Save You. ~ Jesus, the Christ in The Gospel of Thomas | Mar 05 07:12 |
| msb | Some Cathars believed that Jesus had been a manifestation of spirit unbounded by the limitations of matter -- a sort of divine spirit or feeling manifesting within human beings. Many embraced the Gospel of John as their most sacred text, and many rejected the traditional view of the Old Testament -- proclaiming that the God of the Old Testament was really the devil, or creative demiurge. They proclaimed that there was a higher God -- the | Mar 05 07:15 |
| msb | True God -- and Jesus was or is the messenger. ... | Mar 05 07:15 |
| msb | . | Mar 05 07:16 |
| msb | The God found in the Old Testament had nothing to do with the God of Love known to Cathars. The Old Testament God had created the world as a prison, and demanded from the "prisoners" fearful obedience and worship. This false god was in reality -- claimed the Cathari -- a blind usurper who under the most false pretexts, tormented and murdered those whom he called, all too possessively, "his children". The false god was, by the Cathari, | Mar 05 07:16 |
| msb | called Rex Mundi, or The King of the World. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars | Mar 05 07:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Catharism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Mar 05 07:16 | |
| msb | . | Mar 05 07:17 |
| msb | 38:58 The container was buried somewhere in the Middle East eons ago by ... the father of Satan, a god who once walked the Earth before Man but was somehow banished to the dark side. Apparently the father buried his son inside the container. Now later on here, Christ comes to warn us. He was of extraterrestrial ancestry but a human-like race. 40:35 Finally they determined Christ is crazy, but he's also gaining power, converting a lot | Mar 05 07:18 |
| msb | of people to his beliefs, so they kill him. But his disciples keep the secret and hide it from civilization until man could develop a science sophisticated enough to prove what Christ was saying. -- Prince of Darkness -- John Carpenter | Mar 05 07:18 |
| msb | Prince of Darkness is a wonderful movie! | Mar 05 07:19 |
| msb | Written and directed by John Carpenter (a JC). | Mar 05 07:20 |
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| zoot | hern | Mar 05 09:02 |
| msb | gde33: Ping! | Mar 05 09:08 |
| zoot | gde33: Ping! | Mar 05 09:12 |
| gde33 | hey | Mar 05 09:14 |
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| msb | gde33: just wondering if you're seeing that stuff I posted about Jesus/Cathars about 2 hours ago. | Mar 05 09:15 |
| gde33 | sure | Mar 05 09:16 |
| msb | Cool! It occurred to me to wonder if a certain person with op privileges might be playing tricks. | Mar 05 09:17 |
| msb | I don't know much about IRC. | Mar 05 09:17 |
| gde33 | you can always open the web chat and see if your messages are showing up | Mar 05 09:18 |
| msb | I did that, but only after I had posted the stuff, so it's not there. But what I'm typing now is. | Mar 05 09:19 |
| gde33 | are you trying to make some sort of point with the quote? It seems to escape me. | Mar 05 09:20 |
| msb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars | Mar 05 09:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Catharism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Mar 05 09:22 | |
| msb | The Cathars were all systematically murdered by the Catholic Church/Pope(s). | Mar 05 09:23 |
| msb | No specific point. Somebody mentioned Jesus a couple hours before so I thought I'd post some info about him that I find quite interesting. | Mar 05 09:24 |
| gde33 | It reminds me of: Think twice before joining an organisation because you will be held responsible for the deeds of others. | Mar 05 09:24 |
| gde33 | After you sign up you have no excuse | Mar 05 09:25 |
| msb | The Cathars too found the god of the OT/NT to be a genocidal psychopath. | Mar 05 09:25 |
| msb | organization being the Cathars? | Mar 05 09:26 |
| gde33 | sure, that was the success formula | Mar 05 09:26 |
| gde33 | any organisation | Mar 05 09:26 |
| msb | On our planet, people are often murdered for telling the truth. | Mar 05 09:26 |
| msb | Pandemic psychopathy | Mar 05 09:27 |
| gde33 | telling the truth isn't free :P | Mar 05 09:27 |
| gde33 | the thing we lack is people killing the liars | Mar 05 09:28 |
| msb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdY | Mar 05 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ] | Mar 05 09:28 | |
| msb | Widespread use of critical thinking would render the liars powerless. Much better than killing them. | Mar 05 09:29 |
| msb | Killing them sets a bad example, because the criteria for choosing those to be killed -- or for detecting liars -- are quite complex. | Mar 05 09:30 |
| msb | That's why we have trials by jury. | Mar 05 09:31 |
| gde33 | ironically, I see the lack of a link to the documentary here as an act of psychopathy/lack of empathy | Mar 05 09:31 |
| msb | lack of a link to what documentary? | Mar 05 09:32 |
| gde33 | ? | Mar 05 09:33 |
| msb | The Verstappen docu that I just posted about? | Mar 05 09:33 |
| gde33 | it talks about the documentary without linking to it | Mar 05 09:33 |
| gde33 | that is how intelligence agencies kill things online | Mar 05 09:34 |
| gde33 | talk about them all over the web, but never link to it | Mar 05 09:34 |
| gde33 | it is a small thing to do | Mar 05 09:34 |
| gde33 | but at the end of the day the link is what makes or kills online presence | Mar 05 09:35 |
| msb | Do you mean Verstappen's docu "Defense Against the Psychopath" ? | Mar 05 09:36 |
| gde33 | I'm not going to explain how the internet works, sorry | Mar 05 09:37 |
| gde33 | it's to much work, and to obvious | Mar 05 09:37 |
| gde33 | if there is a link: then people can visit a website | Mar 05 09:38 |
| gde33 | if there is no link: then they cant | Mar 05 09:38 |
| gde33 | no link = death | Mar 05 09:38 |
| msb | If that's the documentary you mean, it's easy to find with a search of Youtube. It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgGyvxqYSbE | Mar 05 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Defense Against the Psychopath (Full length Version) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grab6 ] | Mar 05 09:39 | |
| gde33 | is global research tv your channel? | Mar 05 09:39 |
| msb | No. | Mar 05 09:39 |
| gde33 | omg I'm so confused you dont get what I mean | Mar 05 09:40 |
| gde33 | where to begin..... | Mar 05 09:40 |
| gde33 | how do you think things get popular online? | Mar 05 09:40 |
| gde33 | by telling people to search in google? that is how people first find facebook etc by searching in google? | Mar 05 09:41 |
| gde33 | or is it that face book has billions of links pointing at it? | Mar 05 09:41 |
| gde33 | could it be significant? | Mar 05 09:41 |
| gde33 | I have something like 20 thousand web pages, no one ever bothered to link to any of them. | Mar 05 09:41 |
| msb | Looks like it's run by CRG or by James Corbett (who's connected with CRG). | Mar 05 09:41 |
| gde33 | everyone is basically working really hard to make the corporate owned internet | Mar 05 09:42 |
| gde33 | the PSYCHO WEB | Mar 05 09:42 |
| gde33 | if you look at news articles | Mar 05 09:42 |
| msb | True. But once a person contacts one site of alternative news, it leads to others. | Mar 05 09:42 |
| gde33 | you often see them carefully avoid linking to the things they talk about | Mar 05 09:42 |
| gde33 | it was just an example | Mar 05 09:44 |
| gde33 | msb: the guy who did the interview never even considered helping to promote the documentary!! | Mar 05 09:45 |
| gde33 | maybe that is a bit over the hill, he does mention it | Mar 05 09:46 |
| msb | Corbett's a very good guy. I'm sure that was just an oversight. | Mar 05 09:46 |
| gde33 | sure, and as a single event it isn't a big deal | Mar 05 09:46 |
| gde33 | but when hundreds of millions of people do this..... | Mar 05 09:46 |
| gde33 | then soon you will have only face book | Mar 05 09:46 |
| gde33 | maybe it is just me, that idea just horrifies me | Mar 05 09:48 |
| gde33 | more on topic, psychopaths are just psychopaths | Mar 05 09:48 |
| gde33 | we should apperciate who they are, we have the technology to establish the condition | Mar 05 09:49 |
| gde33 | they are not to blame for anything | Mar 05 09:49 |
| gde33 | people who want to be ruled by them are the real problem | Mar 05 09:49 |
| msb | Psychopaths employ a lot of deceptions in order to rule people. Bernays instructed them how to do it on a large scale. | Mar 05 09:50 |
| gde33 | that is because we demand they act that way | Mar 05 09:51 |
| gde33 | we demand they act against their nature | Mar 05 09:51 |
| gde33 | mimic our emotions | Mar 05 09:51 |
| gde33 | the skepticism about how incredibly easy it is to detect the condition is evidence of psychopathy in it self | Mar 05 09:52 |
| gde33 | the high grade psycho doesnt even have brain activity in emotional context | Mar 05 09:53 |
| gde33 | the brain just rewires it self when parts fail | Mar 05 09:53 |
| msb | I just tried to post a comment to Corbett's interview of Verstappen, but it turns out that youtube prevents posting URLS to youtube. | Mar 05 09:56 |
| msb | Now I have to put the link on my site. brb | Mar 05 09:56 |
| gde33 | I think it should work? | Mar 05 09:56 |
| gde33 | good point tho :) | Mar 05 09:58 |
| gde33 | I've posted a link under the video :) | Mar 05 09:58 |
| gde33 | will put it on my website to :D | Mar 05 09:58 |
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| msb | OK the link is up on my site -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/ | Mar 05 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Mar 05 10:08 | |
| gde33 | http://www.chinastrategies.com/defenseagainstpsychopath.pdf | Mar 05 10:09 |
| gde33 | from under the docu | Mar 05 10:09 |
| msb | Thanks! Don't think I have that. | Mar 05 10:10 |
| gde33 | at 30 min he claims you cant measure it | Mar 05 10:10 |
| gde33 | as if punching people in the face or piles of dead bodies isnt good enough | Mar 05 10:11 |
| msb | Wow, how nice of SV to publish a free summary of his book! Of course, good advertising too. | Mar 05 10:15 |
| msb | gde33: Where did you post a link? | Mar 05 10:18 |
| gde33 | still working on it | Mar 05 10:19 |
| gde33 | http://blog.go-here.nl/8577 | Mar 05 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.go-here.nl | Defense Against the Psychopath - Stefan Verstappen | Mar 05 10:20 | |
| msb | Wow! Very pretty site! | Mar 05 10:22 |
| gde33 | yours is nice too :) | Mar 05 10:24 |
| gde33 | pandemic psychopathy is a good description | Mar 05 10:25 |
| gde33 | I had an idea long ago to make prisons more like normal life | Mar 05 10:26 |
| msb | Oh you have got a lot of great stuff under "Transmutation" ! Do you know about Iwamura's work? | Mar 05 10:26 |
| gde33 | give them a house, a job or some opportunity to start a business | Mar 05 10:26 |
| gde33 | not really, looking at it now | Mar 05 10:27 |
| msb | If poor homeless starving people had a place on a collective (co-op) farm, they wouldn't go into crime. | Mar 05 10:27 |
| gde33 | My idea was to make prison less of a big deal | Mar 05 10:27 |
| gde33 | the senteces would be much longer of course | Mar 05 10:28 |
| msb | 308 hits searching for Iwamura in lenr-canr.org | Mar 05 10:29 |
| gde33 | they put abusive prisoners in isolation, but it isn't much of a punishment if they already live in isolation | Mar 05 10:29 |
| msb | He flows deuterium gas through a thin film of metal on some kind of weird substrate, and the metal transmutes! Room temperature, no neutrons etc needed. | Mar 05 10:29 |
| gde33 | sure | Mar 05 10:30 |
| msb | There is something very special about deuterons. | Mar 05 10:30 |
| gde33 | one alchemist wrote some stuff about animals, cant remember who or what precicely | Mar 05 10:30 |
| gde33 | chickens make a whole bunch of stuff that should technically be impossible | Mar 05 10:31 |
| gde33 | sadly cant remember what it was, it could have been calcium | Mar 05 10:31 |
| msb | I think it was that their eggshells have more calcium than they get in their diet. | Mar 05 10:32 |
| gde33 | something like that | Mar 05 10:32 |
| gde33 | it was a diet without the molecule he described | Mar 05 10:32 |
| gde33 | even with zero calcium they end up having it | Mar 05 10:32 |
| gde33 | then they eat the old egg shells | Mar 05 10:33 |
| msb | http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue34/bookreview_biotrans.html | Mar 05 10:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infinite-energy.com | Book Review: Biological Transmutations by C.Louis Kervran [ http://ur1.ca/gras6 ] | Mar 05 10:33 | |
| gde33 | ah yes, that was it | Mar 05 10:34 |
| gde33 | that guy at least | Mar 05 10:34 |
| msb | That's the book I read about. Reviewed in poor murdered Mallove's magazine. | Mar 05 10:35 |
| gde33 | malove might be dead, he is still twitching :P | Mar 05 10:35 |
| msb | Just a robbery my ass! | Mar 05 10:35 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 05 10:35 |
| msb | Years ago I used to deny stuff like that with great superiority. That was before cold fusion, BlackLight, and Iwamura. | Mar 05 10:37 |
| msb | This guy has a couple of great videos on youtube: http://www.sheldrake.org/about-rupert-sheldrake/frequently-asked-questions | Mar 05 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sheldrake.org | Frequently Asked Questions [ http://ur1.ca/grau4 ] | Mar 05 10:41 | |
| msb | Rupert Sheldrake. For example, he mentions that the speed of light does vary! Scientists just ignore it! | Mar 05 10:42 |
| msb | He has about 20 major weird things that mainstream science ignores. | Mar 05 10:42 |
| msb | The same guy who figured out exactly how the WTC towers were blown up told me about Sheldrake. | Mar 05 10:43 |
| gde33 | msb: I'm doing so many things at the same time I'm not doing anything anymore lol | Mar 05 10:55 |
| msb | I know what you mean. I was just searching by bookmarks for sheldrake, and found a whole lot of stuff I'd forgotten about. | Mar 05 10:56 |
| gde33 | hehe, I was thinking, we could make an organisation called "KILL THE PSYCHO!" | Mar 05 10:57 |
| gde33 | then openly and publicly describe who should be killed and why | Mar 05 10:58 |
| gde33 | eventually one would end up in court :D | Mar 05 10:58 |
| gde33 | it will be interesting to hear the defense | Mar 05 10:59 |
| gde33 | then just reply that their name is on the list now | Mar 05 10:59 |
| gde33 | it is of course not allowed to murder people, the only exception is if it is in self defense | Mar 05 11:00 |
| gde33 | tell me what other jobs Bush created except from killing brown people in Iraq or Afghanistan etc? | Mar 05 11:01 |
| msb | Problem is, about 1 person in 22 meets the criteria of Hare et al for being a psychopath, and a further 1 in 10 are borderline. That makes 1 out of 7 total. | Mar 05 11:02 |
| gde33 | man, look at the bright side, we woud have 6 people left | Mar 05 11:03 |
| gde33 | that is more than enough | Mar 05 11:03 |
| msb | eva '1/(1/22 + .1)' 6.875 | Mar 05 11:03 |
| gde33 | make a nice hole in the ground, then put the 1 billion psychopaths in the hole | Mar 05 11:03 |
| gde33 | 3) proffit! | Mar 05 11:03 |
| msb | No. The trauma of all that killing would create more psychopaths. It would cause people to armor up. | Mar 05 11:05 |
| gde33 | we can use some of them to do the hard work | Mar 05 11:05 |
| gde33 | they will show you how easy it is | Mar 05 11:05 |
| msb | Hey, wanna talk via skype? | Mar 05 11:05 |
| gde33 | I dont use voice chat sorry | Mar 05 11:06 |
| msb | Why not? | Mar 05 11:06 |
| gde33 | I'm not really planning to kill anyone, I'm just exploring the hypothesis | Mar 05 11:06 |
| msb | Are you an ET with a lousy vocoder? | Mar 05 11:06 |
| gde33 | hahaha | Mar 05 11:06 |
| gde33 | my universal translator is teh suck | Mar 05 11:06 |
| msb | Well, you're *writing* about it here. | Mar 05 11:07 |
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| gde33 | sorry, what do you mean? | Mar 05 11:07 |
| msb | which may even get archived if Roy gets around to it. | Mar 05 11:07 |
| gde33 | sure, I dont mind | Mar 05 11:07 |
| msb | Voice is less traceable. | Mar 05 11:07 |
| msb | It's just nice to talk with an intelligent friendly person. I like to talk on the phone. But you're in NL? | Mar 05 11:08 |
| gde33 | my moto is to treat people just a bit kinder than the way they treat others | Mar 05 11:08 |
| msb | That's good! | Mar 05 11:09 |
| msb | A kindred spirit is the phrase I was looking for. | Mar 05 11:09 |
| gde33 | if one would kill "just" a few dozen people just for the pleasure of the kill, then one just deserve to be murdered. | Mar 05 11:10 |
| gde33 | it would be rude not to | Mar 05 11:10 |
| msb | A good society would deal with anatomical psychopaths in ways that would prevent them from doing harm. And it wouldn't produce programmed psychopaths at all. | Mar 05 11:12 |
| gde33 | indeed | Mar 05 11:12 |
| msb | First step: get rid of JCI religion. | Mar 05 11:12 |
| gde33 | we should aperciate who they are | Mar 05 11:12 |
| msb | The Cathars were absolutely right. | Mar 05 11:12 |
| gde33 | dont put them in leadership positions | Mar 05 11:12 |
| gde33 | they dont have empathy, you might as well write a software to rule you | Mar 05 11:12 |
| msb | Or allow them to swindle people. | Mar 05 11:12 |
| msb | Bad software. | Mar 05 11:13 |
| gde33 | bad? | Mar 05 11:13 |
| msb | Software that fucks you over. | Mar 05 11:13 |
| gde33 | evil software | Mar 05 11:13 |
| msb | yep | Mar 05 11:13 |
| gde33 | skynet is supper efficent, nothing bad about it from a software perspective, moar like a huge accomplishment :P | Mar 05 11:14 |
| gde33 | there are other interesting aspects to big government | Mar 05 11:15 |
| msb | Yeah, they're now gonna make AI controlled drones, that decide who to kill. | Mar 05 11:15 |
| gde33 | indeed | Mar 05 11:15 |
| gde33 | On a small scale one might have to chose between sleeping or working for example. | Mar 05 11:16 |
| msb | What could possibly go wrong? | Mar 05 11:16 |
| msb | ? | Mar 05 11:16 |
| gde33 | on a bigger scale one might have to chose between something like 1 000 000 people not sleeping or killing one person | Mar 05 11:16 |
| msb | I'm not following. What's the connection with sleeping? | Mar 05 11:17 |
| gde33 | it is a crude example | Mar 05 11:17 |
| gde33 | the choices are not realistic, just to compare things | Mar 05 11:17 |
| gde33 | if it is one night we should all stay awake | Mar 05 11:18 |
| Sosumi | http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_goes_up_for_preorder_on_orange_romania-news-7965.php | Mar 05 11:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Samsung Galaxy S5 goes up for pre-order for €699 - GSMArena.com news [ http://ur1.ca/grb9h ] | Mar 05 11:18 | |
| Sosumi | just expensive as the hypePhone | Mar 05 11:18 |
| Sosumi | no thank you, nexus 5 all the way | Mar 05 11:18 |
| gde33 | msb: but say the choice is between a million people going without sleep for 5 days or killing one person | Mar 05 11:18 |
| Sosumi | or by the time, nexus 6 | Mar 05 11:18 |
| gde33 | msb: what would be the correct decision? | Mar 05 11:19 |
| msb | gde33: I still don't get it. How would such a situation arise? | Mar 05 11:19 |
| gde33 | msb: decision making gets increasingly weird when more people are involved | Mar 05 11:19 |
| gde33 | the example I gave is a simplification | Mar 05 11:20 |
| msb | The problem is, if you kill even one psychopath (except in immediate self-defense), then all the others point to you as an evil killer. | Mar 05 11:20 |
| gde33 | I'm refering to the why we have psycho's in leadership positions. | Mar 05 11:21 |
| gde33 | say you are running a hospital, you have to chose between a big treatment for one person or a small one for many | Mar 05 11:21 |
| msb | Well, that's because they lie, cheat, steal, and murder their way into leadership. | Mar 05 11:21 |
| gde33 | such decisions eat away on your soul | Mar 05 11:21 |
| gde33 | that is why the psycho does so much better, he doesn't have one | Mar 05 11:22 |
| gde33 | he will just chose whaterver | Mar 05 11:22 |
| msb | No such choice needs to be made. We have huge resources. We only have to stop giving 99% of the wealth to 1% of the people. | Mar 05 11:22 |
| gde33 | it is indeed that simple | Mar 05 11:23 |
| msb | This is worth watching! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY | Mar 05 11:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | David Korten - The Great Turning - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grbde ] | Mar 05 11:25 | |
| gde33 | the problem with dividing the wealth is that most people only care how much they are getting | Mar 05 11:25 |
| gde33 | that is why it wont happen | Mar 05 11:26 |
| msb | http://www.davidkorten.org/great-turning | Mar 05 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidkorten.org | The Great Turning: An Epic Passage | Living Economies Forum | Mar 05 11:26 | |
| msb | In fact, most people would get more than they have now! | Mar 05 11:26 |
| gde33 | yes, but as long as they only care about themselves they wont get anything | Mar 05 11:28 |
| msb | Sosumi: Sorry, don't mean to ignore you -- we're trying to save the world. | Mar 05 11:28 |
| gde33 | :D | Mar 05 11:29 |
| Sosumi | build an AI | Mar 05 11:29 |
| Sosumi | give it all the management functions | Mar 05 11:29 |
| Sosumi | and no more you will have to concern yourself with the short sighted views and interests of figure heads and pathological liars | Mar 05 11:30 |
| msb | We already _have_ robots in most management positions! | Mar 05 11:30 |
| gde33 | Sosumi: or you end up making them permanent | Mar 05 11:30 |
| Sosumi | not permanent, at least not now | Mar 05 11:31 |
| Sosumi | but at least use it as a decisions support instrument | Mar 05 11:31 |
| msb | People need to become more conscious. Total legalization of cannabis would help a lot! | Mar 05 11:31 |
| Sosumi | winners don't do drugs | Mar 05 11:31 |
| gde33 | Sosumi: AI has no empathy, no reason to think it will be any more humaine than our worse psychopath | Mar 05 11:31 |
| msb | A sane society doesn't have "winners" and "losers". | Mar 05 11:32 |
| Sosumi | AI doesn't need empathy, it just needs to be reasonous | Mar 05 11:32 |
| gde33 | it seems you are unaware how much drugs the so called finanical independent use | Mar 05 11:33 |
| gde33 | the mega loads of cocaine that are needed to run the US economy | Mar 05 11:33 |
| msb | If only they would switch to psychedelics! | Mar 05 11:33 |
| Sosumi | I knows about Bush senior and the CIA drug trade | Mar 05 11:33 |
| Sosumi | no worries | Mar 05 11:34 |
| Sosumi | Cocaine Importing Agency | Mar 05 11:34 |
| msb | Wasn't junior caught with 10 tons of coke in a plane he was flying. | Mar 05 11:34 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Mar 05 11:34 |
| msb | Maybe it was 10 pounds, I forget. | Mar 05 11:34 |
| Sosumi | all I know about junior is that he's the amrican Boris Yeltsin | Mar 05 11:34 |
| Sosumi | aka drunkard | Mar 05 11:35 |
| msb | Wasn't Hunter S Thompson murdered because he knew about "W" fucking or killing some kids? | Mar 05 11:35 |
| Sosumi | never heard of that | Mar 05 11:36 |
| msb | Shot himself in the head twice my ass! | Mar 05 11:36 |
| gde33 | I call that professional suicide | Mar 05 11:37 |
| msb | Yeah, IIRC he'd helped make a movie of it. | Mar 05 11:37 |
| msb | Dedication | Mar 05 11:37 |
| msb | I was a teen in the '60s. Cannabis helped a whole lot! | Mar 05 11:39 |
| msb | Helped deprogram people, so they protested and ended the Vietnam War. | Mar 05 11:39 |
| gde33 | think about it, where did clintons millions come from? | Mar 05 11:40 |
| msb | Yeah, it wasn't from pimping out Hillary. | Mar 05 11:40 |
| gde33 | After graduating from Yale Law School, Clinton returned to Arkansas and became a law professor at the University of Arkansas. A year later, he ran for the House of Representatives in 1974. | Mar 05 11:41 |
| gde33 | must be some serious money in being a law professor for 1 year | Mar 05 11:42 |
| msb | The great movie "The Net" with Sandra Bullock, includes that business where a high govt official shoots himself in a park, like Hillary's boyfriend. | Mar 05 11:42 |
| gde33 | ? | Mar 05 11:43 |
| msb | Vince Foster | Mar 05 11:43 |
| msb | http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.php | Mar 05 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whatreallyhappened.com | The Death of Vincent Foster | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED [ http://ur1.ca/grblk ] | Mar 05 11:45 | |
| msb | Michael Rivero is a good guy! I used to argue with him back when I was ignorant. | Mar 05 11:45 |
| gde33 | haha, I remember being ignorant about homeopathy, until I tried some myself. | Mar 05 11:46 |
| msb | Anyhow, The Net is a wonderful movie. Sandra Bullock is the love of my life. Also Joanna Cassidy. | Mar 05 11:47 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 05 11:47 |
| msb | Yeah, they fight over me. | Mar 05 11:47 |
| gde33 | for the record I wanted to add: I;'m totally download it from pirate bay | Mar 05 11:47 |
| msb | Nah, you wouldn't do anything illegal like that. | Mar 05 11:48 |
| gde33 | I download whatever I like | Mar 05 11:48 |
| msb | The whole US is represented by a sick bird -- an ill eagle. | Mar 05 11:49 |
| gde33 | a cooked goose | Mar 05 11:49 |
| msb | That movie is about computers and programming BTW -- a must see. | Mar 05 11:50 |
| gde33 | but the world isn't all bad | Mar 05 11:50 |
| msb | Our pineal glands manufacture DMT! | Mar 05 11:51 |
| msb | Also melatonin. | Mar 05 11:51 |
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| gde33 | the download finished | Mar 05 11:52 |
| msb | That's why the govt puts fluoride in the water. Calcifies the pineal gland so it doesn't work anymore. | Mar 05 11:52 |
| gde33 | damn my internets are so fast :D | Mar 05 11:52 |
| msb | Really! | Mar 05 11:52 |
| msb | Hey, The Net is in YIFY. They're the best. Or so I'm told. | Mar 05 11:53 |
| gde33 | never used it, there are so many | Mar 05 11:54 |
| msb | All 264 and huge resolution with small file size. | Mar 05 11:55 |
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| gde33 | such criminality | Mar 05 11:57 |
| gde33 | how dare they | Mar 05 11:57 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 05 11:59 |
| msb | And you, my dear friend | Mar 05 11:59 |
| msb | OK, good time to heat up some dinner. brb | Mar 05 12:03 |
| gde33 | MinceR: hi | Mar 05 12:08 |
| MinceR | hay | Mar 05 12:09 |
| gde33 | MinceR: how are you doing saving the world? | Mar 05 12:15 |
| gde33 | making progress? | Mar 05 12:16 |
| MinceR | not really | Mar 05 12:16 |
| gde33 | I was pondering brainscanning the politican for psychopathy | Mar 05 12:17 |
| gde33 | I think the chinese might go for it if it is presented proprly | Mar 05 12:18 |
| MinceR | interesting method to shut down the government of the PRC :> | Mar 05 12:23 |
| gde33 | it should be effective | Mar 05 12:28 |
| gde33 | their system is all about leadership qualities | Mar 05 12:28 |
| msb | Enjoying dinner -- Chinese coincidentally -- and *not* taking the bait. | Mar 05 12:28 |
| gde33 | at least that is their argument | Mar 05 12:28 |
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| msb | http://hf.dilbert.com/2014-03-03/ | Mar 05 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hf.dilbert.com | The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! | Mar 05 12:54 | |
| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2014/03/05/apple-confidential-nokia-terms-sanction-samsung/ | Mar 05 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Released Confidential License Terms with Nokia While Sanctioning Samsung for Role in Leaks - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/grc7t ] | Mar 05 12:55 | |
| Sosumi | nokia, lol | Mar 05 12:55 |
| Sosumi | now a patent troll and a M$ tentacle | Mar 05 12:55 |
| Sosumi | not that samsung is any good aka paying the android tax and the gods know what they add to the default android OS | Mar 05 12:56 |
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| Sosumi | msb, Hillary doesn't have a boyfriend | Mar 05 13:48 |
| Sosumi | she has a girlfriend, | Mar 05 13:48 |
| Sosumi | and from the badmouths around | Mar 05 13:49 |
| Sosumi | it used to be her assistant | Mar 05 13:49 |
| gde33 | she was an MKULTRA girl | Mar 05 13:49 |
| gde33 | trained to be the wife of some offical | Mar 05 13:49 |
| Sosumi | no wonder poor Billy Clinton went for Monica | Mar 05 13:49 |
| Sosumi | Monica | Mar 05 13:50 |
| gde33 | it seems clinton raped every girl he cound get his hands on | Mar 05 13:50 |
| Sosumi | much sexier than Hitlery Clington | Mar 05 13:50 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 05 13:50 |
| gde33 | much like kenedy | Mar 05 13:50 |
| MinceR | Hillarious Clinton | Mar 05 13:50 |
| Sosumi | http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_05/Behind-Ukraine-snipers-was-not-Yanukovych-but-new-coalition-Estonian-FM-to-Ashton-5154/ | Mar 05 13:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com | Kiev snipers hired by new coalition, not Yanukovych - Estonian FM to Ashton - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/grcrw ] | Mar 05 13:51 | |
| Sosumi | so what? blackwater? | Mar 05 13:52 |
| Sosumi | or other PMC | Mar 05 13:52 |
| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846vrwYecaQ | Mar 05 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Mind Control Out Of Control MK ULTRA Cathy O'Brien PT 1 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grcss ] | Mar 05 13:54 | |
| MinceR | http://s4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/03/05/6/1394007785_1624858475.jpeg | Mar 05 14:17 |
| gde33 | thats so funny in our war oriented culture | Mar 05 14:18 |
| gde33 | I remember when he put the nuclear destroyers next to warsingtoon | Mar 05 14:19 |
| gde33 | or whatever kind of nuke boats it were | Mar 05 14:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 14:24 |
| gde33 | imagine all the tears if he would have nuked all the lobbyists | Mar 05 14:25 |
| gde33 | look how we apparently need an american news slut to represent putin http://news.yahoo.com/putin-speaks-tough-ukraine-204103947.html | Mar 05 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Putin speaks tough on Ukraine - Yahoo News [ http://ur1.ca/grd61 ] | Mar 05 14:30 | |
| gde33 | they have his press conferance in the background | Mar 05 14:30 |
| gde33 | without sound | Mar 05 14:30 |
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| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uscjzJDNOpU | Mar 05 14:35 |
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| msb | gde33: Hi! I'm back. Slept for a while. | Mar 05 18:15 |
| Sosumi | msb = master sleeper on the bench | Mar 05 18:44 |
| Sosumi | welcome back | Mar 05 18:44 |
| msb | thanx! -- watching kat movie on gde33's site -- http://blog.go-here.nl/8564 | Mar 05 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.go-here.nl | The Private Life of a Cat | Mar 05 18:45 | |
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| msb | gde33: That great cat video can be downloaded using youtube-dl from http://www.theatlantic.com/video/archive/2013/04/this-is-the-best-experimental-film-about-cats-ever-made/275231/ | Mar 05 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | This Is the Best Experimental Film About Cats Ever Made - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/grg8l ] | Mar 05 19:11 | |
| Sosumi | http://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Attempt-To-Convert-Users-From-XP-Backfires-Thanks-To-Low-Loyalty-Limited-Benefits/ | Mar 05 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hothardware.com | Microsoft's Attempt To Convert Users From Windows XP Backfires Thanks To Low Loyalty, Limited Benefits - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/grgax ] | Mar 05 19:16 | |
| Sosumi | kde is just like the XP GUI | Mar 05 19:17 |
| Sosumi | but better | Mar 05 19:17 |
| Sosumi | so, no reason to cling on XP | Mar 05 19:17 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Mar 05 19:20 |
| msb | KDE3 is better than KDE4, because 3 has badly messed up the multiple desktops. | Mar 05 19:21 |
| msb | KDE3 is better than KDE4, because 4 has badly messed up the multiple desktops. | Mar 05 19:21 |
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| msb | OpenSuse still provides KDE3, or you can get the TDE fork of KDE3 for various distros: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ | Mar 05 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.trinitydesktop.org | Trinity Desktop Environment | Mar 05 19:23 | |
| cubezzz | OR | Mar 05 19:24 |
| cubezzz | openbsd :) | Mar 05 19:24 |
| MinceR | or xfce :> | Mar 05 19:25 |
| msb | Are the xfce desktops persistent across reboots? | Mar 05 19:26 |
| cubezzz | even the latest openbsd supports KDE 3 | Mar 05 19:28 |
| msb | The ones in KDE3/TDE are named, persistent, and you can have up to 20 of them. And across reboots the desktops will come up with the same konsoles and other k-programs in each that they had when you logged out. | Mar 05 19:29 |
| msb | Although the konsoles are not opened to both the directories that they were before, only one. | Mar 05 19:30 |
| MinceR | msb: not sure, i have session management enabled but i tend to quit everything before logging out | Mar 05 19:35 |
| MinceR | https://31.media.tumblr.com/49c19bf189a0c6f3e2e1d3186ef7e856/tumblr_n1z2oaAsJd1qzc98qo1_500.jpg | Mar 05 19:35 |
| msb | Cute | Mar 05 19:36 |
| msb | youtube-dl is great! Needs only python. Sometimes works when VideoDownloader's balls aren't even rotating, eg, for that cat video. http://youtube-dl.org/ | Mar 05 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-youtube-dl.org | youtube-dl | Mar 05 19:43 | |
| MinceR | http://cheezburger.com/8090671616 | Mar 05 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cheezburger.com | Scumbag Putin - Cheezburger | Mar 05 19:46 | |
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| Sosumi | for some reason I kind of ended up preferring kde | Mar 05 19:47 |
| Sosumi | it has everything out of the box | Mar 05 19:47 |
| Sosumi | and works well overall | Mar 05 19:48 |
| MinceR | i used kde a lot | Mar 05 19:48 |
| MinceR | but kde4 put me off it | Mar 05 19:48 |
| msb | Yep. I was told that the kde4 feature set was chosen by focus groups populated by MS-Windows users. I think KDE4 was a MS attempt to sabotage Linux. | Mar 05 19:56 |
| Sosumi | wasn't that gnome | Mar 05 19:57 |
| cubezzz | that's just history repeating itself | Mar 05 19:57 |
| cubezzz | the KDE 1 people didn't like KDE 2 :) | Mar 05 19:57 |
| Sosumi | with the inclusion of mono | Mar 05 19:57 |
| msb | gnome has mono? | Mar 05 19:58 |
| Sosumi | yes | Mar 05 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | msb: uhmm I get to find out next weekend what non technical peole really like | Mar 05 19:58 |
| msb | yuck! | Mar 05 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | msb: out of the three options for the event | Mar 05 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | will many go to KDE on uhmm openSUSE not my choice | Mar 05 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | or will many go to Cinnamon on Mint | Mar 05 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | or will many go to Unity on Ubuntu | Mar 05 19:59 |
| MinceR | gnome copies macos | Mar 05 19:59 |
| cubezzz | KDE 3.5 distros: | Mar 05 19:59 |
| MinceR | started doing so with gnome 2 | Mar 05 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | what's a bit hmm to me thoug his how | Mar 05 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | ther'es no GNOME Shell at this event | Mar 05 19:59 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde3.5-distros.txt | Mar 05 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but right htey out voted me when it came to that so yeah | Mar 05 19:59 |
| MinceR | and yes, gnome has mono by default | Mar 05 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh, but Banshee and such can hep win non technicals over :d | Mar 05 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | from a user point of view Banshee is quite good | Mar 05 20:00 |
| MinceR | and i don't think that any good choices remained there -- ubuntu, ubuntu-based mint and suse | Mar 05 20:00 |
| MinceR | not so sure of that | Mar 05 20:00 |
| MinceR | can banshee even shuffle the playlist? | Mar 05 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah it's like haing Ubuntu twice really, except it's Min with Cinnamon | Mar 05 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it's about testing out the live session etc | Mar 05 20:00 |
| MinceR | (most music players can't do it properly, but audacious and other xmms derivatives can) | Mar 05 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: freebie wise though, I think I am going to have quite a bit more Ubuntu stuff than the openSUSE | Mar 05 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | and that's good surely? :) | Mar 05 20:01 |
| MinceR | meh | Mar 05 20:01 |
| MinceR | yeah, last i checked *suse was still worse than ubuntu :> | Mar 05 20:02 |
| msb | That KDE3 list is a bit old. Suse is up to version 13.1 and still has KDE3 (and of course KDE4). | Mar 05 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: SUSE is popular though | Mar 05 20:02 |
| msb | I still regard OpenSuse as the best engineered distro, and so I stay with it despite Novell's conniving with Microshit. | Mar 05 20:03 |
| Sosumi | http://distrowatch.com/ | Mar 05 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Mar 05 20:03 | |
| MinceR | i don't see what's "best engineered" about it | Mar 05 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah msb was a SUSE fan> | Mar 05 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 05 20:04 |
| MinceR | for example, it adds a yast menu item into the icewm menu that asks for the root password and then does nothing | Mar 05 20:04 |
| Sosumi | not as popular as mageia | Mar 05 20:04 |
| cubezzz | what no RHEL? :) | Mar 05 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | Sosumi: wel yeah if you go by distrowatch | Mar 05 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | Sosumi: Mageia is more popular | Mar 05 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | if you go by reality then SUSE Is more popular really | Mar 05 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | or so it seems | Mar 05 20:05 |
| MinceR | distrowatch ranking is more of a recent interest than popularity or installed base | Mar 05 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep exactly | Mar 05 20:05 |
| msb | Suse always works, has KDE3, very few bugs, great helpers on IRC, and yast is excellent. | Mar 05 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | msb: Mageia and open Mandriva and such | Mar 05 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | have a nce graphal control centre :) | Mar 05 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | msb: I remember when I had this LIe CD of SUSE and yasst didn't work | Mar 05 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | like three yaers ago or something | Mar 05 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | I was ike uh this uh it's not wrking, back to Synaptic in Ubuntu :d | Mar 05 20:06 |
| MinceR | and i think i've already talked about my friend's experience with opensuse | Mar 05 20:06 |
| MinceR | the horrible netinstall and the keyboard repeat issue | Mar 05 20:07 |
| msb | MinceR: dunno, did they ask for help in suse irc? | Mar 05 20:07 |
| MinceR | no | Mar 05 20:07 |
| MinceR | we suffered through the first one and he figured out how to fix the other | Mar 05 20:08 |
| msb | Should have. They will stay with a user until the problem is fixed. | Mar 05 20:08 |
| msb | So, fixed. Good. | Mar 05 20:08 |
| MinceR | not sure, they might have fixed both of these issues since then. | Mar 05 20:09 |
| MinceR | but i didn't have issues of that magnitude with crunchbang or debian. | Mar 05 20:09 |
| msb | So many different kinds of BIOS and peripherals, there will always be a problems with a few machines. But they are almost always fixable. | Mar 05 20:09 |
| MinceR | the netinstall issue was just pure laziness | Mar 05 20:10 |
| msb | And once they're fixed, Linux always keeps working. | Mar 05 20:10 |
| MinceR | the installer didn't know the list of the mirrors or the path on each ftp server and didn't resolve domain names. | Mar 05 20:10 |
| msb | I always just download the DVD ISO and burn it. | Mar 05 20:10 |
| msb | KISS | Mar 05 20:11 |
| MinceR | i expected the netinstall to be faster. | Mar 05 20:11 |
| MinceR | burn a small image and then only download what's really needed. | Mar 05 20:11 |
| MinceR | that's how it works on debian. :> | Mar 05 20:11 |
| MinceR | (though nowadays i use usb flash cards instead of optical media) | Mar 05 20:11 |
| msb | cards? thumb drives? | Mar 05 20:12 |
| MinceR | yes, flash memory with a usb mass storage interface :> | Mar 05 20:13 |
| msb | I just never heard it called a card before, thought it was something new. | Mar 05 20:13 |
| msb | Or is it a device that connects via usb, and takes flash memory cards in a slot? | Mar 05 20:14 |
| MinceR | no | Mar 05 20:15 |
| MinceR | i just don't think that "pen drive" is a good term for them | Mar 05 20:15 |
| MinceR | i haven't thought much of "thumb drive", they don't use that term around here :> | Mar 05 20:16 |
| msb | It always takes me a couple of days to update Linux, because I have to change various scripts I've written, figure out how to make the 2-button trackball work as 3-button, since X is always changing, and stuff like that. So I only do it when I can't use or compile new media apps that I want. | Mar 05 20:21 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 20:21 |
| msb | Also, I always wait a few months til they fix any bugs in the new version. | Mar 05 20:23 |
| msb | But if I get the time, I'll make a utility that periodically saves the exact state of all the konsoles, so they can be totally restored. Then I wouldn't have to leave the 'puter running all the time. | Mar 05 20:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 20:26 |
| MinceR | or you could make a terminal emulator that saves its own state :> | Mar 05 20:26 |
| msb | Interesting: all the konsoles are a single process, but I have 126 bash processes. | Mar 05 20:29 |
| msb | Wow, konsole seems to have 1336 qdbus options. Maybe I can just use some of those to save and restore the states. | Mar 05 20:33 |
| msb | I use KDE4 konsole, konversation, system monitor, klipper, maybe a couple others. They work fine under KDE3, and have been improved from the KDE3 versions. | Mar 05 20:34 |
| msb | Oh yeah, setting that up takes time on an upgrade. Also transferring ancient libs so xmms still works, since I have so many song equalizer files for it. | Mar 05 20:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 05 20:39 |
| MinceR | have you tried bmp or audacious? | Mar 05 20:39 |
| MinceR | (they're xmms1 forks) | Mar 05 20:39 |
| msb | I wrote a console emulator for my original IBM-PC in BASIC in the 80s so I could talk to a BSD Unix system I was renting time on, via a phone modem of course. | Mar 05 20:40 |
| msb | It could even up- and download files. | Mar 05 20:40 |
| msb | Do bmp and audacious use xmms equalizer files? | Mar 05 20:40 |
| MinceR | dunno | Mar 05 20:41 |
| MinceR | they use a lot of stuff from xmms1, including ancient plugins that nobody else supports, so it might work :> | Mar 05 20:41 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/microsoft-using-linux-4175496991/ | Mar 05 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Microsoft using Linux! [ http://ur1.ca/grhab ] | Mar 05 20:43 | |
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| msb | I use audacious for theta-reverb. Use the reverb plugin with the delay set between 125-250 msec, and you get theta brainwave stimulation! | Mar 05 20:43 |
| MinceR | is that a good thing? :> | Mar 05 20:44 |
| msb | Ooh baby! | Mar 05 20:44 |
| msb | Click on Audacious Output menu and then on Effects In Effects list look for "Echo Plugin" and click on "settings" just underneath. Note three sliders: Delay Feedback Volume Set Delay to 140, Feedback to 83, and Volume to 67 Then click Apply. | Mar 05 20:46 |
| MinceR | do i want to do that when i'm sleepy, tired and have a headache? :> | Mar 05 20:49 |
| msb | Find the song Bratja from Fullmetal Alchemist and do theta reverb on it -- my fave. | Mar 05 20:49 |
| msb | No, use psychedelics when you're awake and energetic. | Mar 05 20:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 05 20:51 |
| msb | Darn. Bratja is in BT, but only 93% of it. And it's also sung in russian. | Mar 05 20:53 |
| msb | Audacious -- I have Audacious 2.4.4 (UNSUPPORTED VERSION) -- retains all the reverb and equalizer settings, and the song file, when you kill it, and restart it anytime later. Very nice! | Mar 05 21:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 21:19 |
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| MinceR | http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2014/03/05/putin-unveils-new-propaganda-poster | Mar 05 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Putin Unveils New Propaganda Poster | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/grimo ] | Mar 05 22:31 | |
| MinceR | http://poorlydrawndinosaurs.com/?p=258 | Mar 05 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-poorlydrawndinosaurs.com | poorlydrawndinosaurs.com - Silly humans | Mar 05 22:32 | |
| MinceR | http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-30/anti-government-militia-groups-freeman/53873496/1 | Mar 05 22:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-usatoday30.usatoday.com | Anti-government 'sovereign movement' on the rise in U.S. – USATODAY.com [ http://ur1.ca/griwl ] | Mar 05 22:57 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 05 23:00 |
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| msb | "Putin Unveils New Propaganda Poster" Reality: US and EU use armed Nazis to conquer Ukraine and overthrow the elected government, and Putin wants to restore the elected govt. /// Lying Propaganda from US media: Putin is attacking first and wants to seize Ukraine. | Mar 06 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | The sewage pipe between my mom's house and the city sewage pipe has sprung a leak. | Mar 06 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's going to be expensive. | Mar 06 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | They're taking bids to fix it. So far, the lowest bid was some guy that was going to halfass it. He wanted $2,000. | Mar 06 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | Ouch. | Mar 06 01:51 |
| msb | Regarding the "Anti-government 'sovereign movement'" there's no way that McVeighs ANFO truck bomb could have taken down the Murrah Building parked the distance away that it was. ANFO is a low-grade, low-brisance, low-velocity explosive, because the fuel and oxidizer are in two separate materials -- ammonium nitrate pellets in fuel oil. Slower than gunpowder, which is more finely mixed. | Mar 06 01:54 |
| msb | People saw men disguised as telephone technicians placing satchel charges of HE against the building's support columns in the basement. That's what blew it up. McVeigh was the patsy. | Mar 06 01:56 |
| msb | Also, the SPLC is a fascist/zionist propaganda organization working closely with the US govt. It named 9/11 researchers as "terrorists". | Mar 06 01:57 |
| msb | DaemonFC: What if you dug down to the leak and epoxied an aluminum sheet over the leak? After suitable cleaning of course. The pressure should be very low in a sewer pipe -- just a few inches of water. | Mar 06 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I told my stepdad I'd come over and help dig. :P | Mar 06 02:01 |
| msb | DaemonFC: You could hold the Al sheet in place with a series of hose clamps at each end while the epoxy hardened. Then leave them in place. | Mar 06 02:01 |
| msb | You can make a big hose-clamp out of a bunch of little ones all the same size by screwing them together in series. | Mar 06 02:02 |
| msb | DaemonFC: Maybe some kind of very thick but flexible plastic would be better than aluminum -- couldn't corrode. | Mar 06 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | It looks like dropping GNU/Linux support didn't affect Opera's usage share at all. | Mar 06 02:05 |
| msb | DaemonFC: Crap. Well, I have Opera but never use it. There are still a couple of other browsers I can use to check possibly malfunctioning web pages. The KDE and Gnome ones, and I can call up a friend who uses Exploder. | Mar 06 02:07 |
| msb | He couldn;t see the colored panels on my site in Firefox on his doorstop, but he could see them in MS-Exploder, and they showed up fine in FF and the KDE and Gnome browsers for me. | Mar 06 02:09 |
| msb | Also Opera, but byebye to that. | Mar 06 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | The last version of Opera for Linux is from last August, before they switched to Chromium. | Mar 06 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | A former employee of the company said that they don't take Linux seriously and are now forcing their employees to use Windows or OS X. | Mar 06 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | So, there probably never will be another version of Opera for GNU/Linux | Mar 06 02:12 |
| msb | So Opera threw away its entire code base in favor of Chromium? | Mar 06 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Yes. | Mar 06 02:13 |
| msb | What a waste! | Mar 06 02:14 |
| msb | "they don't take Linux seriously and are now forcing their employees to use Windows or OS X" I think that company is not long for this world! | Mar 06 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I believe the reason they had the "Linux" port to begin with was because their own developers preferred it. | Mar 06 02:18 |
| msb | Makes sense. | Mar 06 02:19 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | The Koch Brothers, Billionaire Polluters, and Walmart have basically bought and paid for PBS. | Mar 06 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | I barely even watch it anymore, because they'll agree not to report the news in exchange for "a generous donation". | Mar 06 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | So far, David Koch, BP, and Walmart have all "generously donated" their way out of unflattering-but-true documentaries being aired on PBS. | Mar 06 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart even "generously donated" enough to turn the documentary that PBS eventually aired into a pro-Walmart one. | Mar 06 03:27 |
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| msb | Well I just had another crash, this time with no messages about the display driver in the kernel log. And my main disk had to fsck, which took an hour. However, a friend suggested I look at the cpu temperatures using the bios, but -- Mirabile Dictu -- the KDE4 system monitor can show 5 different temp sensors on my machine, which it's now doing in a new tab. The highest one is 52degC, which I'm told is ok, but the machine isn't doing | Mar 06 04:58 |
| msb | much. | Mar 06 04:58 |
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| msb | I don't know if firefox was using a lot of cpu before the crash, I hadn't checked in a while. I suppose if FF has been crashing nvidia display drivers for a few months, we would have heard, unless Linux FF abusers like me are rare. | Mar 06 05:00 |
| msb | I haven't cleaned out the cpu heatsink for a long time, but now being catless I didn't think I had to. I'll see what the temp sensors say. | Mar 06 05:02 |
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| msb | I got both cores up to 100% usage and 70C by playing two 1920x1080 movies and recording TV with mencoder. So I should go in there and blow the dust out. | Mar 06 05:38 |
| msb | Which always makes a mess. | Mar 06 05:40 |
| msb | Now over to DaemonFC for Bargain Highlights. | Mar 06 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Mar 06 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | It's probably a bug in the Nvidia driver. | Mar 06 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | It wouldn't be the first time. | Mar 06 05:52 |
| msb | It started several months ago, and the only thing that's changed is Firefox. | Mar 06 06:05 |
| msb | I haven't had any crashes when I've kept FF cpu usage below 40%, by limiting the number of tabs. But I wasn't tracking it today. However, there were no messages in the kernel log from the display driver. The kernel crashed. | Mar 06 06:07 |
| msb | I'll try running a thorough memory test. The bios boot mem test doesn't find any problems. | Mar 06 06:08 |
| msb | The nvidia driver is the same as it ever was. If it dropped a bit on the disk, the crc would catch it. | Mar 06 06:10 |
| msb | Damn I love those temperature readings in the sys mon program. With them I could -- dare I say it? -- Rule the World! | Mar 06 06:12 |
| msb | I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy it! | Mar 06 06:12 |
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| MinceR | keep lying, msb. | Mar 06 06:54 |
| msb | MinceR: My commie comrades have infiltrated under your bed and in your closet! | Mar 06 06:56 |
| msb | MinceR: And...I'm eating lots of chili, so I'm always pootin'! | Mar 06 06:57 |
| MinceR | no, they're in my government | Mar 06 06:57 |
| prurigro | MinceR: I feel like "communists" in the US and communists in places like your gov't are such a different animal that the first group can't see why you'd be offended | Mar 06 07:09 |
| MinceR | depends on what the communists in the US are doing | Mar 06 07:10 |
| prurigro | talking about how great communism would be | Mar 06 07:10 |
| MinceR | because everyone can talk the talk | Mar 06 07:10 |
| prurigro | from the sidelines | Mar 06 07:10 |
| MinceR | and we can see what the eastern block did while talking the talk. | Mar 06 07:11 |
| prurigro | the argument is that communism isn't exactly that | Mar 06 07:11 |
| MinceR | and what the same people are doing now in hungary, for example. | Mar 06 07:11 |
| prurigro | but my counter argument is that this is what stems from removing ownership over anything from everyone | Mar 06 07:11 |
| MinceR | and in russia. | Mar 06 07:11 |
| MinceR | what is what stems from that? | Mar 06 07:12 |
| prurigro | russia isn't really anything close to communist these days is it, do you think? | Mar 06 07:12 |
| MinceR | it seems pretty close to what it was when it called itself communist | Mar 06 07:13 |
| prurigro | and I mean that the argument given for communism when presented with real life examples of how it played out is that those real life examples weren't communism | Mar 06 07:13 |
| MinceR | and it's led by the former communist kgb leader. | Mar 06 07:13 |
| MinceR | that sounds a lot like a no true scotsman argument :> | Mar 06 07:13 |
| prurigro | my counter argument is that those real life examples are the result of attempting to put the theory into practice | Mar 06 07:13 |
| MinceR | but i have issues with the non-state communism theory as well. | Mar 06 07:13 |
| prurigro | russia was very different when it was communist | Mar 06 07:14 |
| MinceR | well, deciding that the people don't get to own things very easily leads to the state owning those things | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | it wasn't ultra christian, for example | Mar 06 07:14 |
| MinceR | and a dictator controlling those things | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | yeah | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | and if you want to own things, when a person can't, you need to obtain power in the organization that can | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | ie: the state | Mar 06 07:14 |
| MinceR | like i keep saying, whether the ideology is christian is little more than decoration | Mar 06 07:14 |
| MinceR | the authoritarianism remains | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | I like socialism much ebtter | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | better* | Mar 06 07:14 |
| MinceR | a few people effectively owning everything also remained | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | where everyone owns a share of a piece of the pie, rather than noone owning anything | Mar 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | yeah | Mar 06 07:15 |
| MinceR | again, it's easy to do that only in words | Mar 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | canada is fairly socialist | Mar 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | it works nicely here | Mar 06 07:15 |
| MinceR | like authoritarian governments insisting that they're doing everything on behalf of the people | Mar 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | authoritarian governments pop up when you remove power from the people | Mar 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | bargaining chips are needed | Mar 06 07:19 |
| prurigro | I think that's why the internet works as a semi-libertarian-utopia | Mar 06 07:19 |
| prurigro | people have near equivalent power | Mar 06 07:19 |
| prurigro | I don't think it could exist in real life quite as successfully | Mar 06 07:20 |
| prurigro | someone would amass more weapons or henchmen or whatever and take control | Mar 06 07:21 |
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| msb | Capitalist economies/govts are subject to takeover by psychopaths because they can amass huge amounts of money, socialist ones because the govt has a lot of control. | Mar 06 07:31 |
| msb | Solutions involve the population being better informed, so lots of news media available with different points of view. Also better consciousness, so legal cannabis, and de-emphasis of JCI religion. | Mar 06 07:33 |
| MinceR | solutions also involve democracy and similar means of distributing power | Mar 06 07:34 |
| msb | Yes, that goes without saying. | Mar 06 07:34 |
| msb | So, parliamentary system and preferential voting. Also, no govt secrets, no "intelligence" -- spying and murdering -- agencies. | Mar 06 07:36 |
| MinceR | pretty much | Mar 06 07:37 |
| MinceR | though i'm not sure if intelligence agencies can be eliminated entirely as long as other states have them -- but they have to be kept on a much shorter leash than cia and nsa. | Mar 06 07:37 |
| MinceR | or gchq, etc. | Mar 06 07:37 |
| prurigro | distribution of power is the most key | Mar 06 07:38 |
| prurigro | my friend is convinced communism + mandatory weapons for everyone would be a good mix | Mar 06 07:38 |
| prurigro | I'm not sure it's so simple | Mar 06 07:39 |
| prurigro | but he's on the right track | Mar 06 07:39 |
| msb | If some other nation is secretly constructing dangerous weapons, then we should spy on them, but not keep the data we get secret. | Mar 06 07:39 |
| prurigro | msb: you're right, you should share it with the mossad like you currently do, that'll keep everyone safe :) | Mar 06 07:40 |
| msb | There has to be private propity up to at least $500,000, otherwise the govt is very intrusive. | Mar 06 07:40 |
| msb | No prurigro, share it publicly with everybody | Mar 06 07:41 |
| msb | 1 | Mar 06 07:41 |
| msb | ! | Mar 06 07:41 |
| MinceR | not only that, but you need counterintelligence if you don't want other states do the same spying and manipulation in your country. | Mar 06 07:41 |
| MinceR | (which your laws could control even less, of course.) | Mar 06 07:41 |
| msb | Nothing should be secret, so spies would not be a problem. | Mar 06 07:41 |
| MinceR | the state should keep (next to) no secrets, but people still need to keep secrets | Mar 06 07:42 |
| msb | Yes. | Mar 06 07:42 |
| msb | IOW, privacy. | Mar 06 07:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 06 07:42 |
| prurigro | MinceR: the fact that it was information on american politicians and judges that made it to the Mossad makes me think that exactly what you're talking about is happening | Mar 06 07:43 |
| MinceR | as far as i know, it's happening all the time | Mar 06 07:43 |
| msb | prurigro: Yes, that's one way Israel/Zionists gain great power over the US. | Mar 06 07:44 |
| msb | In fact, Mossad lures US politicians with prostitutes male and female, takes pictures, and blackmails them into obedience. | Mar 06 07:45 |
| prurigro | and everyone wonders why politicians are so interested in keeping them happy (outside new york politicians, who have their voters as an incensentive) | Mar 06 07:45 |
| msb | An insensitive incentive! You made a portmanteau word, a la Lewis Carroll. | Mar 06 07:46 |
| prurigro | whoops | Mar 06 07:46 |
| prurigro | that's pretty funny | Mar 06 07:46 |
| msb | No, good! | Mar 06 07:46 |
| prurigro | my broca's area must be a broken area | Mar 06 07:47 |
| msb | ! | Mar 06 07:47 |
| msb | So actually, people in government need to be allowed less privacy, so they can't be blackmailed. If that discourages people from wanting to be in government, all the better! | Mar 06 07:53 |
| msb | You want to control people, you get a webcam in your bedroom! | Mar 06 07:54 |
| prurigro | I think everyone should be allowed full privacy at home, and practically none at work | Mar 06 07:55 |
| prurigro | though on request only | Mar 06 07:55 |
| *prurigro works better without someone looking over his shoulder | Mar 06 07:55 | |
| msb | But govt works better *with* somebody looking... | Mar 06 07:55 |
| prurigro | well yeah | Mar 06 07:56 |
| msb | Because the biggest problem is govt corruption and excess power. | Mar 06 07:56 |
| prurigro | in canada you can request 99% of everything | Mar 06 07:56 |
| prurigro | only about 20% is made public until requested | Mar 06 07:56 |
| prurigro | and those are final numbers and whatnot | Mar 06 07:57 |
| prurigro | you can request all email by person X though | Mar 06 07:57 |
| prurigro | for example | Mar 06 07:57 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx3PJ97J57UDN1C | Mar 06 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: crApple refuses to unlock an iBad that a woman left to her son in her will. [ http://ur1.ca/groh9 ] | Mar 06 08:38 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26448158 | Mar 06 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | crApple has refused to unlock an iBad that a woman left to her son. | Mar 06 08:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | BBC News - Apple security rules leave inherited iPad useless, say sons [ http://ur1.ca/grohc ] | Mar 06 08:39 | |
| DaemonFC | The only reason it's possible to refuse to allow the rightful owner of the computer to use it is because of restrictions imposed by proprietary software. | Mar 06 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | If the computer ran freedom respecting software instead, then it wouldn't be a brick now. | Mar 06 08:39 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: when I sent my phone in for repairs, I thought great, I'll use my gf's old 3g for music at the gym until I get mine back | Mar 06 08:40 |
| prurigro | turns out all the apps that had previously worked ran versions that no longer installed on the max version of iOS it could run | Mar 06 08:40 |
| prurigro | reminded me of how my old mac mini was useless because current versions of firefox, chrome and safari wouldn't run on the most recent version of macos it allowed | Mar 06 08:41 |
| prurigro | (and while linux is possible on that- it's demented uefi is so non-standard that the only version of linux I could get on it was fedora, which it's shitty specs are too slow for) | Mar 06 08:42 |
| MinceR | i think you can slim fedora down | Mar 06 09:04 |
| prurigro | I was wondering how far you could go-- maybe disabling selinux would be a start | Mar 06 09:05 |
| prurigro | it mostly seemed to fail when the package manager would be running though | Mar 06 09:05 |
| prurigro | (and it couldn't play flash youtube at fullspeed, but I haven't tried again since 100% of videos can be html5, so maybe I should) | Mar 06 09:06 |
| prurigro | but yeah, package management slowdowns are why I figured I could blame the OS | Mar 06 09:06 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 06 09:06 |
| prurigro | are you using that html5 youtube extension on a side note? | Mar 06 09:07 |
| prurigro | you def should be if you aren't, and ever use youtube | Mar 06 09:07 |
| MinceR | i don't think i am now | Mar 06 09:07 |
| prurigro | (unless you disagree with google cloud products on some moral ground, which I'd understand) | Mar 06 09:07 |
| prurigro | word, let me link you | Mar 06 09:07 |
| MinceR | since some of youtube required Trash the last time i checked, i just let it use Trash | Mar 06 09:08 |
| prurigro | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/ <- no more trash required | Mar 06 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-addons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ] | Mar 06 09:08 | |
| MinceR | also, debian might be able to work on a mac mini: https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel | Mar 06 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.debian.org | MacMiniIntel - Debian Wiki | Mar 06 09:08 | |
| prurigro | I uninstalled Trash when I found this plugin | Mar 06 09:08 |
| MinceR | this guide might also work with crunchbang | Mar 06 09:08 |
| prurigro | ahh really eh- my mac mini is one of the earlier ones on that note | Mar 06 09:08 |
| prurigro | which had a special non-standard uefi | Mar 06 09:08 |
| prurigro | I wonder if tis accounts for that.. | Mar 06 09:09 |
| MinceR | it does have non-standard EFI | Mar 06 09:09 |
| MinceR | but afaik people made it work anyway | Mar 06 09:09 |
| prurigro | I suppose efi was just getting cracked by fedora when I was originally trying | Mar 06 09:10 |
| prurigro | maybe all the major distros woudl be able to now eh? | Mar 06 09:10 |
| prurigro | more than a year later | Mar 06 09:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 09:10 |
| prurigro | but yeah, that extension on the fly converts flv youtube videos to an html5 compatible format, then pulls in the youtube html5 player to play them-- it's really clever | Mar 06 09:12 |
| MinceR | does it work on videos that would use ads? | Mar 06 09:13 |
| prurigro | yeah, unfortunately you won't be able to view the ads | Mar 06 09:13 |
| prurigro | but those are primarily the only vids that aren't available in html5 already | Mar 06 09:14 |
| prurigro | (since ads require flash still afaik) | Mar 06 09:14 |
| prurigro | anyway, I uninstalled flash, and youtube has been great | Mar 06 09:14 |
| prurigro | only potential issue I've run into was all html5 videos having no sound (plugin or otherwise) until I added the following option to about:config and set it to false: media.use_cubeb | Mar 06 09:15 |
| prurigro | no idea what it does lol | Mar 06 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro: They have to do that, or else people would just use their old computer forever. | Mar 06 09:17 |
| MinceR | i don't want to see the ads, i just want to see the videos that would have them :> | Mar 06 09:17 |
| MinceR | since those videos require Trash | Mar 06 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | This computer is from 2008, and it still runs GNU/Linux just fine. | Mar 06 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | Windows hasn't gotten any smaller. | Mar 06 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeon_trusty&num=2 | Mar 06 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Radeon Gallium3D Performance Gets Close To Catalyst On Ubuntu 14.04 [ http://ur1.ca/groze ] | Mar 06 09:21 | |
| prurigro | MinceR: well you're in luck then ;) and yeah, I was more joking about the unfortunate part haha | Mar 06 09:24 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: I have desktop that's older than the mac mini, and it's like wayyyyy faster and still 100% operational- plays 1080p mkvs and anything else I throw at it | Mar 06 09:25 |
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| DaemonFC | heh, the federal government classifies my car as a gas guzzler... | Mar 06 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't meet the definition of "gas guzzler" in 1996. | Mar 06 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | The engine is an improvement over the old 5 liter carbonated V8 that Ford used to use. | Mar 06 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | That one was less powerful and only got about 11 miles per gallon combined city/highway. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | Mine is the fuel injected 4.6 liter V8. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | 17 mpg combined. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | Still....Ouch. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | I gave it a tune up a little while back. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | The mileage came up a bit. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has a "fuel injector cleaning service" for $20. | Mar 06 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what that is. Probably some guy pouring a $10 bottle of magic car potion into your tank... | Mar 06 09:40 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26448158 | Mar 06 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | BBC News - Apple security rules leave inherited iPad useless, say sons [ http://ur1.ca/grohc ] | Mar 06 09:43 | |
| DaemonFC | Apple turned this iPad into a brick. | Mar 06 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | I need to get change for the laundromat while I'm out today. :P | Mar 06 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | I can't use mom's washer until they fix that drain pipe. | Mar 06 09:46 |
| MinceR | "security" rules | Mar 06 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 06 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | Dave wanted an iPhone. | Mar 06 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | I convinced him to get an Android phone though. | Mar 06 09:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 06 09:53 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: convince him to get xprivacy and afwall too then, and to use the minimal BaNkS gapps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2012857 | Mar 06 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.xda-developers.com | [GApps][Standard/Minimal][4.4.2][2-27-2014] | Google Nexus 5 | xda-developers [ http://ur1.ca/grpe2 ] | Mar 06 09:55 | |
| prurigro | and to do his best to stick to using f-droid, and sync his contacts/calendar with a personal owncloud instance or just not sync his contacts/calendar | Mar 06 09:55 |
| prurigro | android can be awesome, but it starts out as bad as iOS sometimes, and even worse in a few cases | Mar 06 09:56 |
| MinceR | syncing to owncloud is relevant to my interests | Mar 06 09:56 |
| prurigro | MinceR: been doing it for quite some time- can I help you along in any way? | Mar 06 09:57 |
| MinceR | i wasn't aware it can be done at all, before this point. is there a howto or something? | Mar 06 09:57 |
| MinceR | it certainly sounds more attractive than just relying on GPE utilities. :> | Mar 06 09:57 |
| prurigro | MinceR: GPE? it's absolutely awesome- owncloud even got a plugin recently that adds firefox sync | Mar 06 09:58 |
| MinceR | firefox sync i was already mulling :) | Mar 06 09:58 |
| prurigro | haha | Mar 06 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | Gas is up to $3.75 right now. Ugh. | Mar 06 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | That means it would cost $75 to fill my tank from E to F. :P | Mar 06 09:59 |
| prurigro | MinceR: I'd tried to set it up myself a while back and had some issues, but the owncloud plugin is a couple of steps and then done | Mar 06 09:59 |
| MinceR | that must be a big tank :> | Mar 06 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | 20 gallons | Mar 06 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | They reduced the tank size on my mom's new car | Mar 06 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | she had an '03 Impala with a 17 gallon tank. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | The new one only has a 14 gallon tank. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| MinceR | that or my tank is far from empty when the warning light comes on :> | Mar 06 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea why they did that. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| MinceR | i tend to fill 40 l to full and the tank is 60 l iirc | Mar 06 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The idiot light usually comes on when you have 2-3 gallons left. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | The idea is that you should be able to get to a station before you run out. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| MinceR | well, i think the smaller tank is lighter, allowing for lower fuel consumption | Mar 06 10:02 |
| MinceR | especially if you fill it up completely every time. | Mar 06 10:03 |
| MinceR | but maybe that's not the point | Mar 06 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, 8.3 pounds per gallon | Mar 06 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | You lose about 2% of your gas mileage for every 100 pounds of weight on the car. | Mar 06 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | So, keeping mine at half or less would give me just slightly under 2% better gas mileage. | Mar 06 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | I might start doing that. | Mar 06 10:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I filled up to F the other day and topped the tank because it was down to $3.11 and my phone started warning me about the price spike. | Mar 06 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | So it saved me a little over $6. :) | Mar 06 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I like to top up before a price spike. Then I can usually wait until it goes back down before I have to buy more. | Mar 06 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | It spikes in Fort Wayne, and then I have about 24 hours before the price spike hits the town where I live. | Mar 06 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | If it's super expensive (like last year when it hit $4.25), I never fill up the entire tank. | Mar 06 10:06 |
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| DaemonFC | The EPA has a "low sulfur" rule coming up that will increase gas prices by 9 cents per gallon. Grrr... | Mar 06 10:09 |
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| DaemonFC | I read one comment where a guy said that station owners should refuse to sell gas to anyone with an Obama bumper sticker on their car. | Mar 06 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | Johnny, roll a ball of hash, and make sure it's the bomb, cause the devil's got the kind of stuff they smoked in Vietnam. | Mar 06 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | You'll get a million smackaroos in cash if you can cope, but if you can't, the devil gets your dope! | Mar 06 10:12 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/03/not-dead-after-all-microsoft-to-talk-directx-12-at-gdc/ | Mar 06 10:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Not dead after all: Microsoft to talk DirectX 12 at GDC | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/grq2c ] | Mar 06 10:40 | |
| Sosumi | that and nvidia sending me dx11 propaganda | Mar 06 10:40 |
| Sosumi | and about reserving my seat at some presentation involving nvidia stuff+dx11 | Mar 06 10:41 |
| Sosumi | and what will m$ do next? confine dx12 to winblows 8.2? | Mar 06 10:42 |
| Sosumi | and counting with the japanese launch | Mar 06 10:44 |
| Sosumi | ps4 is counting 6 million sells | Mar 06 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | "Porting DirectX 12 to Windows 7 and 8 would require significantly rearchitecting those operating systems, so we've limited it to 3% of our users and no developer will ever actually touch it until it is 5-6 years old." | Mar 06 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's what you can expect to hear. :) | Mar 06 10:57 |
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| Sosumi | and as mentioned before | Mar 06 11:34 |
| Sosumi | haven't seen a single xbone on sale here in portugal | Mar 06 11:35 |
| Sosumi | perhaps m$ has given up on its gaming division | Mar 06 11:35 |
| Sosumi | or what is left of it | Mar 06 11:35 |
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| DaemonFC | I opened up a package of tomatoes from ALDI, and they were rotting. | Mar 06 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'm going to take them back today and get my money back. | Mar 06 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | She left the computer to her son, which makes it her son's computer. | Mar 06 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | Since it runs Apple's proprietary software, it's useless now because Apple refuses to unlock it and it can't be made to run freedom respecting software like GNU/Linux instead, because Apple has stopped the owner from doing that too. | Mar 06 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | I hope he learns his lesson, since he's now the proud owner of a doorstop. | Mar 06 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | Besides, I don't think many people want freedom from porn. | Mar 06 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | About half the traffic on the internet is Netflix, and about the other half is porn sites. | Mar 06 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | But Mormons should remember to not leave their buddies masturbating on the battlefield! :) | Mar 06 12:37 |
| Sosumi | you can run gnu/linux on macs | Mar 06 12:48 |
| Sosumi | provided that it is not a core duo model | Mar 06 12:48 |
| Sosumi | since crapple kind of screwed voltage regulation in those models by implementing via software | Mar 06 12:49 |
| Sosumi | *it | Mar 06 12:49 |
| Sosumi | and the drivers are only for osx and winblows | Mar 06 12:49 |
| Sosumi | if it is a ppc model | Mar 06 12:50 |
| Sosumi | then there is ppc fedora and yellow dog linux | Mar 06 12:50 |
| Sosumi | so, hardly a doorstep | Mar 06 12:50 |
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| Sosumi | also crimea seems to want to join the russian federation | Mar 06 12:52 |
| Sosumi | and if the US starts imposing sanctions on russia | Mar 06 12:52 |
| Sosumi | or steps out of the line | Mar 06 12:52 |
| Sosumi | expect assets from US/EU entities to be seized | Mar 06 12:53 |
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| Sosumi | and probably for russia to dump the petro dollar | Mar 06 12:53 |
| Sosumi | entirely | Mar 06 12:54 |
| MinceR | 134902 < Sosumi> since crapple kind of screwed voltage regulation in those models by implementing via software | Mar 06 12:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 06 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | She left the computer to her son, which makes it her son's computer. | Mar 06 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | Since it runs Apple's proprietary software, it's useless now because Apple refuses to unlock it and it can't be made to run freedom respecting software like GNU/Linux instead, because Apple has stopped the owner from doing that too. | Mar 06 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | I hope he learns his lesson, since he's now the proud owner of a doorstop that probably cost $700-800. | Mar 06 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | If Apple continues to refuse to unlock the computer, the judge should also order Apple to either replace it with a new computer or to give him the price of a replacement. | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think he should ask for the cash so he can buy a Nexus 7, which has Android, but can also run at least Ubuntu, and maybe other versions of GNU/Linux. | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Then he should order Apple to give him a copy of everything his mother paid for on the iTunes store, at no additional charge. Or a refund for everything he lost access to. I'd ask for a refund. | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Then he should order Apple to pay the court costs and fair compensation for the man's time and trouble caused by having to take Apple to court. | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't believe there is porn on the iTunes store. They even absurdly rate web browsers (other than Safari, of course) as 18+ because they "could potentially be used to view pornography". Well, no ****, Sherlock! | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Can Safari not be used to view porn? | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Ironically, about five minutes after Steve Jobs declared that iPad users had freedom from porn, sites like "ipadporn" started popping up, streaming the porn as HTML 5 video that was compatible with iPad and other web browser and devices. | Mar 06 12:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/mar/02/poor- | Mar 06 13:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Thrown in jail for being poor: the booming for-profit probation industry | Money | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/grsbh ] | Mar 06 13:13 | |
| DaemonFC | I've never had so much as a speeding ticket. | Mar 06 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | My mom yells at me for doing 55 on the highway to save some gas when I'm not in a particular hurry. | Mar 06 13:13 |
| MinceR | i've never had speeding tickets, only parking fines | Mar 06 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I've had two parking tickets, but they were issued by campus cops when I was visiting someone. | Mar 06 13:14 |
| MinceR | (parking is managed in an utterly retarded and sleazy way in budapest) | Mar 06 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | So I just dropped a letter in the mail that said I wasn't a student. | Mar 06 13:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | They tried to get me for $55 each time, but there's nothing they can do because I wasn't a student. | Mar 06 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | They don't tell you that they can't do anything about it if you're not a student, but the truth is that they can't. | Mar 06 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose that if you do it again, they could have your car towed. | Mar 06 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have any dental insurance, so I go to the IPFW dental clinic to get my teeth cleaned. | Mar 06 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | That's a hell of a walk. The closest free parking for non-students is about two miles away. | Mar 06 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty pedantic about keeping my teeth cleaned. | Mar 06 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | I even got one of those expensive toothbrushes that does the whole polishing thing. | Mar 06 13:19 |
| MinceR | i use an electric toothbrush for that :> | Mar 06 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I stocked up on heads when they sent out some junk mail. | Mar 06 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | I dumpster dived the post office trash bin for more. :P | Mar 06 13:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | The coupon was $7 off. | Mar 06 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | They're like $20 for three heads. | Mar 06 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | That's obscene. | Mar 06 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: That reminds me of a bad joke. | Mar 06 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | A man cloned himself. One day, he came home from work early and caught the clone in bed with his wife. | Mar 06 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | So they got into a fight, and the man pushed the clone out of the window, to his death. | Mar 06 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | The cops charged him with making an obscene clone fall. | Mar 06 13:24 |
| MinceR | i don't get it. | Mar 06 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoonerism | Mar 06 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Spoonerism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Mar 06 13:25 | |
| MinceR | oh. | Mar 06 13:25 |
| MinceR | yes, it's bad. | Mar 06 13:26 |
| Sosumi | MinceR, yes | Mar 06 13:45 |
| Sosumi | core duo's voltage regulation was normally done through an external controller | Mar 06 13:46 |
| Sosumi | but crapple did via software | Mar 06 13:46 |
| Sosumi | *it | Mar 06 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'll just go inside the drugstore to pick up my prescription this time. | Mar 06 13:46 |
| Sosumi | so even running windows on those models without the bootcamp drivers | Mar 06 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | Last time I went, the lady that stares off into space and only serves one lane was working. | Mar 06 13:47 |
| Sosumi | you risk frying the cpu | Mar 06 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to honk my horn to get her attention. | Mar 06 13:47 |
| Sosumi | models after that had the voltage regulator built in the cpu | Mar 06 13:48 |
| msb | Are there HTML5-only websites with videos? Can you download the videos? | Mar 06 13:56 |
| msb | I'm confused about this whole thing. Watching videos on websites seems useless to me if you can't download and save them, because they can be removed from the web at any time. | Mar 06 13:58 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/crimea-may-or-may-not-be-part-russia-moment | Mar 06 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Crimea May (Or May Not) Be Part Of Russia As Of This Moment | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/grsxu ] | Mar 06 13:59 | |
| msb | What kind of video file do you get if you download a video from an HTML5 web page? | Mar 06 13:59 |
| Sosumi | at this moment | Mar 06 13:59 |
| Sosumi | russia 2; eurogarchs/US demagogues: 0 | Mar 06 14:00 |
| Sosumi | actually, eurogarchs: -1 | Mar 06 14:00 |
| Sosumi | because of the bid by his excelence "cabrão" Barroso in giving 11 billion to ukraine | Mar 06 14:01 |
| Sosumi | when everyone in the is under killer austerity | Mar 06 14:01 |
| Sosumi | *EU | Mar 06 14:01 |
| msb | Do the Rothschild banks get the profit from the austerity? | Mar 06 14:02 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Mar 06 14:02 |
| Sosumi | who do you think that holds the debt and buys treasury bonds and so on | Mar 06 14:03 |
| Sosumi | the big financial players through hedgefund groups and son on | Mar 06 14:03 |
| msb | And the Ukraine Nazis have now inflicted that on their country. | Mar 06 14:03 |
| Sosumi | no, actually what they did was excalate the crap that had been done by Yanoukovich | Mar 06 14:04 |
| Sosumi | and his predecessors | Mar 06 14:04 |
| msb | What crap? | Mar 06 14:05 |
| Sosumi | they came even to the point of yelling support for Umarov | Mar 06 14:05 |
| Sosumi | corruption, damning deals with both the EU and russia | Mar 06 14:05 |
| Sosumi | namely when it comes to gas transit | Mar 06 14:06 |
| msb | So what about HTML5 videos? Are they a part of all this? | Mar 06 14:06 |
| msb | Gas pipelines? | Mar 06 14:07 |
| Sosumi | yes, they go through ukraine | Mar 06 14:07 |
| Sosumi | from russia | Mar 06 14:07 |
| MinceR | with love | Mar 06 14:07 |
| msb | So a source of profit for Ukraine. | Mar 06 14:07 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 06 14:07 |
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| msb | And are there HTML5 videos of these pipelines? Or of anything? | Mar 06 14:09 |
| msb | Where would I find an HTML5 web page so I can try downloading its video(s)? | Mar 06 14:12 |
| Sosumi | it depends on what HTML5 means | Mar 06 14:13 |
| Sosumi | maybe Gazpron, exports Hot Transexual Males Level 5 to europe | Mar 06 14:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 06 14:14 |
| Sosumi | or whatever | Mar 06 14:15 |
| msb | Via Ukraine, right? | Mar 06 14:15 |
| Sosumi | yep | Mar 06 14:15 |
| msb | I knew there was a connection. | Mar 06 14:15 |
| Sosumi | but that is not the full deal | Mar 06 14:16 |
| msb | techrights is actually the decision forum for the highest level of world domination -- the eye in the pyramid! | Mar 06 14:17 |
| Sosumi | in fact, | Mar 06 14:17 |
| Sosumi | there's a japan connection | Mar 06 14:17 |
| Sosumi | and a tel aviv connection | Mar 06 14:18 |
| msb | World control through anime'? | Mar 06 14:18 |
| Sosumi | since it appears gazpron also has rights there | Mar 06 14:18 |
| Sosumi | in the gay capital of the world | Mar 06 14:18 |
| Sosumi | no! | Mar 06 14:18 |
| msb | San Francisco? | Mar 06 14:18 |
| Sosumi | ít's a plot to turn western males into sissies | Mar 06 14:19 |
| Sosumi | so that when the commmies come out of hiding | Mar 06 14:19 |
| Sosumi | there wont be much left to deter the advancement of the new red army | Mar 06 14:19 |
| Sosumi | see? | Mar 06 14:19 |
| Sosumi | not even alex jones and his goon squad could have with something as good as this conjecture | Mar 06 14:20 |
| Sosumi | *come | Mar 06 14:20 |
| msb | Right! The length of the word "commmmmies" indicates the size of their schlongs. | Mar 06 14:20 |
| Sosumi | and why should techrights be the eye in the pyramid | Mar 06 14:22 |
| Sosumi | why can't it be the eye above the eye in the pyramid? | Mar 06 14:22 |
| Sosumi | if we're talking about power, manipulation and deception | Mar 06 14:23 |
| msb | Damn, you are all ETs! I knew it! | Mar 06 14:23 |
| Sosumi | why not be at the top of everything? | Mar 06 14:23 |
| MinceR | the "I" of the storm! | Mar 06 14:23 |
| Sosumi | better stop the trolling | Mar 06 14:23 |
| msb | You are not abducting me for an anal probe! No way! | Mar 06 14:24 |
| Sosumi | or we'll give a bad impression to DrPizza | Mar 06 14:24 |
| msb | DrPizza *is* a bad impression. | Mar 06 14:24 |
| Sosumi | LOL | Mar 06 14:24 |
| Sosumi | well, I was going to mock him in that sort of way | Mar 06 14:25 |
| Sosumi | but nvm that now | Mar 06 14:25 |
| MinceR | (flash) (audio) http://jonesrock.ytmnd.com/ | Mar 06 14:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jonesrock.ytmnd.com | YTMND - Indiana Jones Can't Stop the Rock | Mar 06 14:25 | |
| MinceR | i don't care what impression DrPizza gets. | Mar 06 14:25 |
| msb | I'm pretty sure some MS-thug from COLA was using that nick a couple years ago. | Mar 06 14:27 |
| MinceR | he's that m$-thug, isn't he? | Mar 06 14:27 |
| Sosumi | COLA? | Mar 06 14:27 |
| Sosumi | Colloquy of Large Animals? | Mar 06 14:28 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: comp.os.linux.advocacy | Mar 06 14:28 |
| Sosumi | usenet group? | Mar 06 14:28 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 06 14:28 |
| msb | Perhaps "flatfish". | Mar 06 14:29 |
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| msb | Been lying about Linux in COLA for 14 years, saying it destroyed his computer, etc. | Mar 06 14:31 |
| msb | He used to forge articles in my name advocating unsanitary gay activities. He's some kind of fundie christian. | Mar 06 14:34 |
| msb | Used hundreds of pseudonyms. People used to keep lists of them. | Mar 06 14:34 |
| msb | Real name Gary Stewart. | Mar 06 14:40 |
| msb | Lived in New York City. Some kind of musician. Ring any bells with Dr Pizza? | Mar 06 14:41 |
| MinceR | dunno. what i seem to remember is that DrPizza is a m$/DRM troll from arse technica. | Mar 06 14:42 |
| msb | The m$/DRM part certainly fits. | Mar 06 14:43 |
| MinceR | or swpat | Mar 06 14:43 |
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| cubezzz | sounds like a nutbar to me | Mar 06 15:24 |
| cubezzz | anyways remember 1995? | Mar 06 15:27 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/freebsd-1995.jpeg | Mar 06 15:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 06 15:28 |
| Sosumi | made in usa | Mar 06 15:38 |
| Sosumi | NATO's Rasmoussen and Yatsenyuk in press conference togetherm | Mar 06 15:41 |
| Sosumi | just now | Mar 06 15:41 |
| Sosumi | yatsenyuk = maidan skin head | Mar 06 15:42 |
| Sosumi | canada announced sanctions against russia | Mar 06 15:44 |
| Sosumi | watch those canadian assets going all the way tot he pocket of the russian state | Mar 06 15:44 |
| Sosumi | fun fun | Mar 06 15:45 |
| Sosumi | all I can say is that this has been an enjoyable weak | Mar 06 15:45 |
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| MinceR | i thought yatsenyuk was one of the more moderate protesters :> | Mar 06 15:49 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/ukraine-acting-president-loses-it-over-crime-against-nation-crimea-referendum | Mar 06 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Ukraine Acting President Loses It Over "Crime Against Nation" Crimea Referendum | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/grv96 ] | Mar 06 17:16 | |
| Sosumi | lulz | Mar 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/441611450092896256 | Mar 06 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Well, you can beat a dead horse... | Mar 06 17:26 | |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441625569093234688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441624432772403200 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441624059806507008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441623523195633664 | Mar 06 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Totally Legal Computer http://t.co/YAJfaJ46ex "The OS is the core of your computing experience" #gnu #linux | Mar 06 17:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thedailystar.net | Totally Legal Computer | Mar 06 17:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 3D Printing's Next Revolution: Linux http://t.co/DA3YFgbg6D #linux | Mar 06 17:26 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ubuntu is the most used OS for production OpenStack deployments http://t.co/7TGNsss3mK #openstack #gnu #linux #ubuntu | Mar 06 17:26 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Packaged Linux Delivers Network Functions Virtualization http://t.co/pN5PgtuQrb #linux #gnu | Mar 06 17:26 | |
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| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441623375002480640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441622986677059584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441621203770675200 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441614174779875328 | Mar 06 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Wanted: Linux professionals http://t.co/bRwaQl8975 #gnu too, not just #linux - the command line dominated by GNU. | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Popcorn Time lets you stream torrent movies on your Linux desktop http://t.co/Ew6G2nydil #gnu #linux | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| schestowitz_log_ | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3727193 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3727177 | Mar 06 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Linux Foundation to Build Massive Open Online Course Program With edX, Increase Access to Linux Training for All http://t.co/ZCmsakCiYv | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Today in #Techrights http://t.co/R7ynJanBiz | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A Parade of (GNU/)Linux-powered Mobile Operating Systems http://techrights.org/2014/03/06/linux-powered-mobile-os/ #gnu #linux #phones | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 6/3/2014: Games | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Between the NSA and Patriot Act, is data privacy extinct? http://t.co/n1FCqYzwj9 #nsa is against the law. Use the law. | Mar 06 17:44 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We are reminded that Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. http://t.co/zumWjNzXvG #putin and #hitler nominated, #obama and #kissinger won | Mar 06 17:44 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Terrolism and journarism http://t.co/8Er8YjvKwe how two concepts get mixed up | Mar 06 17:45 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "drone insanity gripped investors. They ran up the stock of drone maker AeroVironment by $6.71, or 21.33%" http://t.co/UfhyyVvsZ9 | Mar 06 17:45 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Karan Casey Concert to Support Anti-Drone Protests http://t.co/ruDGIvXWHD #drones #cia #droNSA | Mar 06 17:45 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'Leftist' #cnn bashes GOP, not #putin http://t.co/zsi4oLJzJ9 the politics of partisanship in corporate media | Mar 06 17:45 | |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/large-dinosaur-from-portugal-may-have-been-top-european-predator/ | Mar 06 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Large dinosaur from Portugal may have been top European predator | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/grvn5 ] | Mar 06 17:48 | |
| Sosumi | portugal gets the mention on arstechnica | Mar 06 17:48 |
| Sosumi | but a doubt lingers | Mar 06 17:49 |
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| Sosumi | or doesn't :) | Mar 06 17:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #obama complicit in #cia abuses http://t.co/OL0nT2XlOx not just #drones but also illegal #surveillance | Mar 06 17:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee, senator claims | World news | The Guardian | Mar 06 17:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Russian state media accuses US, NATO, and CIA of using Nazis for their political agenda http://t.co/fKt1fm8vVD | Mar 06 17:54 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Controlling politics in other nations using bribes http://t.co/5kaGGZIyjZ... https://t.co/Boi6vqzoQW | Mar 06 17:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2014/03/karzai-corruption-and-cia-bags-of ) | Mar 06 17:54 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Mark Udall: ‘CIA Tried to Intimidate the Intelligence Committee’ http://t.co/gVGmqXMwN0 domestic enemy: private unaccountable agency | Mar 06 17:54 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xpl0.org | XPL0 Programming on the Raspberry Pi | Mar 06 20:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Video Acceleration Takes The Backseat On Chrome | Mar 07 08:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | For Linux http://t.co/pv49FQFCXY | Mar 07 08:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs2rq | Mar 07 08:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Our Assignment http://t.co/PEDregxFQm | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs2rr | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux Setup - Graham Morrison, Linux Voice | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EmNynA3cRn | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs2ru | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | & Syria can’t contribute to US based open | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | source projects? http://t.co/veJHXRRbe3 | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs2rx | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 21 Being Planned For Mid-October Release | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/SRWVyCCAhP | Mar 07 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Video Acceleration Takes The Backseat On Chrome For Linux | Tux Machines | Mar 07 08:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs2s0 | Mar 07 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Our Assignment | Tux Machines | Mar 07 08:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux Setup - Graham Morrison, Linux Voice | Tux Machines | Mar 07 08:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan & Syria can’t contribute to US based open source projects? | Tux Machines | Mar 07 08:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 21 Being Planned For Mid-October Release | Tux Machines | Mar 07 08:04 | |
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| msb_ | "Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan.." -- Don't ask, don't tell is a good solution. It would be a shame for World Community Open Source to be inhibited by fascist US/EU/Israel/Bankster domination. | Mar 07 11:34 |
| msb_ | Looks like the netsplit is healed and everybody's back -- great! | Mar 07 11:34 |
| MinceR | i doubt that developers from Cuba or North Korea can even get their code abroad | Mar 07 11:49 |
| MinceR | not sure about the others | Mar 07 11:49 |
| MinceR | as for RH, maybe they need a subsidiary in another country to get around stupid US laws | Mar 07 11:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Running Tux Machines http://t.co/CSLdI5fDfs | Mar 07 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs4sw | Mar 07 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Major new version of free Photoshop replacement | Mar 07 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Krita released for Linux and Windows | Mar 07 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RbS0ieISyx | Mar 07 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs4sy | Mar 07 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines pCell is only as good as the Linux it runs on | Mar 07 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WvKHjN4m3M | Mar 07 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs4sz | Mar 07 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Running Tux Machines | Tux Machines | Mar 07 12:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux cloud world's best kept secret | Mar 07 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | DigitalOcean just bagged $37m | Mar 07 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HnyNcgpmKn | Mar 07 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs4t0 | Mar 07 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Major new version of free Photoshop replacement Krita released for Linux and Windows | Tux Machines | Mar 07 12:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | pCell is only as good as the Linux it runs on | Tux Machines | Mar 07 12:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux cloud world's best kept secret DigitalOcean just bagged $37m | Tux Machines | Mar 07 12:07 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm glad I topped off my tank at $3.48. | Mar 07 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | My phone just buzzed again. It's going up to $3.96 in Fort Wayne. | Mar 07 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 12:39 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 07 12:55 |
| Sosumi | KSA just designated the Muslem Brotherhood as a terrorist organization | Mar 07 12:56 |
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| Sosumi | what about the KSA royals? aren't they one of the financial backbones of terrorism | Mar 07 12:57 |
| Sosumi | of which at the time of the Libyan incursion and the egyptian unrest | Mar 07 12:59 |
| MinceR | http://ur1.ca/gs4sn | Mar 07 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ioerror: I really encourage everyone to read #Snowden's testimony to the #European #Parliament: http://t.co/Yf4SCJDeoI | Mar 07 12:59 | |
| Sosumi | they were supporting the bros from the Muslem Brotherhood | Mar 07 12:59 |
| Sosumi | it seems to me thx to the failure to actually generate proper results | Mar 07 13:00 |
| Sosumi | that the love affair has been termianted | Mar 07 13:00 |
| Sosumi | the europarl is a just a bunch of empty suits who all they do is found creative ways to insult each other | Mar 07 13:01 |
| Sosumi | *find | Mar 07 13:01 |
| Sosumi | the real power is in the hands of the commission | Mar 07 13:02 |
| Sosumi | *cough* unelected commission | Mar 07 13:02 |
| MinceR | that's not the point of my link, though :> | Mar 07 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_rvt_np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx6FW6TQI1X6KW#CustomerDiscussionsNew | Mar 07 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Should we bring back a national maximum speed limit of 55 MPH? [ http://ur1.ca/gs55m ] | Mar 07 13:04 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that there have been occasional efforts, when gas prices are moving up, to revive the national 55 MPH speed limit. | Mar 07 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | According to everything I've read, 55 MPH is very effective as a gas saving device. | Mar 07 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/26/autos/slow_down_save_gas/ | Mar 07 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com | Speeding wastes gas - Mar. 27, 2008 [ http://ur1.ca/gs55o ] | Mar 07 13:04 | |
| DaemonFC | "In a typical family sedan, every 10 miles per hour you drive over 60 is like the price of gasoline going up about 54 cents a gallon. That figure will be even higher for less fuel-efficient vehicles that go fewer miles on a gallon to start with." | Mar 07 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | I used to commute about 30 miles each way to work and back. I limited my speed to 55 MPH and turned the speed control on. | Mar 07 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't make other drivers very happy, but it saved me a lot of money. | Mar 07 13:04 |
| Sosumi | and it is pointless, the present EU acts and well, is, a satellite of the anglo-american hegemony | Mar 07 13:04 |
| MinceR | apparently the membership of the commission sort of depends on elected people, though :> | Mar 07 13:04 |
| Sosumi | I didn't vote barroso in | Mar 07 13:05 |
| Sosumi | nor the baroness ashton | Mar 07 13:05 |
| Sosumi | nor the gullon von rumpoy | Mar 07 13:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, von rompuy is unelected | Mar 07 13:05 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_commission#Appointment | Mar 07 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | European Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gs56c ] | Mar 07 13:06 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | The tickets issued by the Indiana State Police used to say "Slow down. 55 saves lives and gas.". | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know if they still say that or not, but it is true. At 55, you're definitely not going to get any tickets, either. | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | The last time I saw a speeding ticket was back in the 90s, when my mom got one. I've never had one. I've been driving for 14 years. | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | In the time I've been driving, mom has probably paid the Indiana State Police $500-600. She almost had to go to defensive driving, but a few points fell off her license just in time to get a new ticket. | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | She had her license revoked once, but not for speeding, and they didn't even tell her. So, she drove a year on a revoked license and then got this thing in the mail that said "You are eligible to have your license reinstated.". | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | It turned out that the new (at the time) state law said that if you couldn't prove you had insurance within 30 days of being pulled over for any infraction, they automatically revoked your license. She didn't have her insurance card, and the cop said "Don't worry about it.". | Mar 07 13:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu, | Mar 07 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | compared and contrasted http://t.co/4RMByYKoOp | Mar 07 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs5c3 | Mar 07 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu, compared and contrasted | Tux Machines | Mar 07 13:29 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | My boyfriend just made slightly over the income line to qualify for the Marketplace. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | I told him if I was a tipped worker in a red state (like Indiana), and made just short of that, that I'd report slightly more tips than I got and pay a little bit more in taxes, but it will push you into the qualification bracket for the Marketplace, where you can get a deep discount on private health insurance plans. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | Since Indiana isn't expanding Medicaid, it would get you out of the coverage gap. You'll pay a few dollars more in taxes, but you'll get it all back when you get that $250-300 a month affordability credit. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | That's how perverse this law actually is in red states. It forces some people to lie and claim more income than they actually made if they want health insurance. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | Hell, tell 'em you mowed lawns and shoveled snow for cash and would like to declare that as taxable income, and use that to get yourself into the Marketplace.... | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: At least I got my mom's weasel gene. | Mar 07 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | It's probably why I'm still alive. | Mar 07 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2008/05/22/poll-can-you-drive-55-should-we-bring-the-national-speed-limit-back/ | Mar 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | "After Congress repealed the National Maximum Speed Law and 33 states raised their speed limits, the Cato Institute said traffic deaths dropped to a record low." | Mar 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | Sounds like one of those "Number of Pirates compared to rate of global warming." comparisons. | Mar 07 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consumerist.com | Poll: Can You Drive 55? Should We Bring The National Speed Limit Back? – Consumerist [ http://ur1.ca/gs5ge ] | Mar 07 13:46 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't suppose it has anything to do with new government-mandated safety features that came into law since then? | Mar 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | "But the American Heritage Foundation claims 12 years of 55 mph speed limits cut fuel consumption by just 1 percent." | Mar 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | That's because people widely ignored it because states set the penalty too low. New Mexico actually set up a fine of $5 for going above 55 and below 65. The fine was so low that it wasn't even worth the cop's time and trouble to pull you over, so it basically never happened. | Mar 07 13:46 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: As we argued last year, for those who seek a cutting-edge, secure, community-driven distribution that is not Debian “unstable”, Arch is definitely an option. One can think of Manjaro, Chakra etc. as the Knoppix/Ubuntu of Debian. | Mar 07 13:52 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: actually, arch is MORE bleeding edge than Sid | Mar 07 13:52 |
| XFaCE | which is awesome | Mar 07 13:53 |
| MinceR | "if i want cutting edge, i'll buy a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i'll use it." | Mar 07 13:59 |
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| DaemonFC | LDVZ says: | Mar 07 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | All too true, it's sad that Americans must down-play or up-play their circumstances to just get the help that the majority so clearly needs. I live in Oregon where the adoption of the ACA was never in doubt, but for these so-called Right-to-work states, it is corporate capital that decides policy. These states are so beholden to corporate interests that they are willing to condemn their poorer residents to yet another century of no health care. I | Mar 07 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | consider myself an unabashed Capitalist, although, I believe there are certain realms which are best dealt with by state regulation. The free-market Capitalists have had their go, and in their wake they have left vast pockets of misery across America. It's clear that the market does not "fix all." We are going to have to continue to fight for what is right in this country if we are to beat these money worshiping, heartless venture Capitalists. | Mar 07 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | There is no compromise with them, they want it all and if not they are willing to sink the ship while trying. They don't pledge allegiance to this country or its people, they pledge allegiance to capital. | Mar 07 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | Exactly. Never in my life did I think that anyone would ever get ahead by lying on their taxes and saying they made more money. But, thanks to Republican roadblocks to Medicaid expansion, that is indeed the case. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | I can't exactly find a moral reason not to do that. It's a lesser evil than ending up with no health insurance at all. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | It's wrong, it's stupid, and nobody should have to do it, but it's their rules, and you just have to suffer under them. | Mar 07 14:01 |
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| satipera | @schestowitz hi roy, i have just read your piece in tux machines about running tux machines. i wondered what was the story behind you two leading you to be running tux machines | Mar 07 15:21 |
| Sosumi | ECB's Draghi just now | Mar 07 16:07 |
| Sosumi | euro's island of stability | Mar 07 16:07 |
| *Sosumi wants to puke | Mar 07 16:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/2CvSLNd3nn | Mar 07 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6v6 | Mar 07 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Replacing KDE4 with Xfce http://t.co/eE6yWq6CFK | Mar 07 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6v8 | Mar 07 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ThoughtWorks Open Sources Go, a CD Tool | Mar 07 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/hDXGaUFRBS | Mar 07 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6va | Mar 07 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Do users really need Windows applications in | Mar 07 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chrome OS? http://t.co/Gc03I1Y5Fr | Mar 07 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6vb | Mar 07 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Mar 07 16:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Replacing KDE4 with Xfce | Tux Machines | Mar 07 16:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ThoughtWorks Open Sources Go, a CD Tool | Tux Machines | Mar 07 16:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Do users really need Windows applications in Chrome OS? | Tux Machines | Mar 07 16:57 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | Bill Gates said it himself though. | Mar 07 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight." | Mar 07 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | At this point, Microsoft has built something with the weight and fuel requirements of a 787, and the standard features of a Cessna. | Mar 07 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | I can just imagine Dave Cutler's NT in there somewhere under that mess pleading...."Help meeeee! Help meeeeeee!". | Mar 07 17:12 |
| MinceR | more like "kill meeeee...." | Mar 07 17:17 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ron+hovsepian&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wwIaU8GDDYWqhAecl4GYBw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=932&bih=1100 | Mar 07 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.co.uk | ron hovsepian - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/gs72n ] | Mar 07 17:34 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | Bank robbery - What happens when you go to talk to a bank about a loan and they rob you. | Mar 07 17:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android woes could be an opportunity for Ubuntu | Mar 07 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones http://t.co/mzQXqBSiDH | Mar 07 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs73d | Mar 07 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android woes could be an opportunity for Ubuntu smartphones | Tux Machines | Mar 07 17:38 | |
| Sosumi | cuda 6 RC now officially supported on centos | Mar 07 17:38 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: Roy, thanks for mentioning this article: "Replacing KDE4 with Xfce". It's one of a series of articles (which it links to) for people unhappy with KDE4 (aka The Giant Behemoth), and even mentions Trinity Desktop. I will post the URLs to Trinity IRC and lists. | Mar 07 18:00 |
| msb_ | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/199397/ | Mar 07 18:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: Replacing KDE4 with Xfce [ http://ur1.ca/gs798 ] | Mar 07 18:01 | |
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| schestowitz__ | msb_: cool | Mar 07 18:39 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, I know you and cubelog use kde3 | Mar 07 18:39 |
| msb_ | For the wacky among ye, note that The Giant Behemoth (1959) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052611/combined is well-seeded in BT, and also available in Usenet. | Mar 07 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Giant Behemoth (1959) [ http://ur1.ca/gs7hm ] | Mar 07 18:40 | |
| msb_ | in glorious black and white. | Mar 07 18:40 |
| msb_ | schestowitz__: And I'll switch to Trinity if KDE3 disappears entirely. | Mar 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/GMagnaCarta/status/442006998578888704 | Mar 07 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GMagnaCarta: @schestowitz THIS surveillance is wholly acceptable. Can we support them? #globalmagnacarta http://t.co/aMbDnEt605 | Mar 07 18:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aspinallfoundation.org | Celebrating 30 Years of Conservation | The Aspinall Foundation | Mar 07 18:43 | |
| msb_ | and XFaCE (whom I haven't seen for a while) uses xfce | Mar 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah | Mar 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz__ | [15:22] <satipera> @schestowitz hi roy, i have just read your piece in tux machines about running tux machines. i wondered what was the story behind you two leading you to be running tux machines | Mar 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | Hi satipera | Mar 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | Susan put it on sale | Mar 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | In 2013 | Mar 07 18:48 |
| msb_ | I do hope the KDE4 apps continue to work under KDE3, having just found that the System Monitor can show me 3 CPU and 1 mobo temperature reading from my hardware sensors. | Mar 07 18:49 |
| satipera | @schestowitz i see, thanks, another site i know i can trust :) | Mar 07 18:57 |
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| MinceR | XFaCE is still here :> | Mar 07 19:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines If Beast Died Tomorrow, Chromebook 2 Could Be | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Its Replacement http://t.co/z2KOY04rvR | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q0 | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 8 1401 Android tablet launched at $170 | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Wsa5AHx4bg | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q1 | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Attack of the 64-bit Octa-core: A Roundup of | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Newly Announced Mobile Processors | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/BgNHn0YCiT | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q4 | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AllCast adds DLNA support | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/me8coiaoYx | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q5 | Mar 07 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | If Beast Died Tomorrow, Chromebook 2 Could Be Its Replacement | Tux Machines | Mar 07 19:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @luqoxoa @tuxmachines http://t.co/qBlaJBFZlm #Exbhoc | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q9 | Mar 07 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP 8 1401 Android tablet launched at $170 | Tux Machines | Mar 07 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Attack of the 64-bit Octa-core: A Roundup of Newly Announced Mobile Processors | Tux Machines | Mar 07 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AllCast adds DLNA support | Tux Machines | Mar 07 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-301 redirect without Location header | Mar 07 19:13 | |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/what-student-loans-are-really-used-depressing-case-studies | Mar 07 20:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | What Student Loans Are Really Used For: The Depressing Case Studies | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gs8a9 ] | Mar 07 20:26 | |
| Sosumi | a part of me died after reading that article | Mar 07 20:26 |
| Sosumi | $50000 in student loan debt | Mar 07 20:27 |
| Sosumi | in order to stock up the fridge and the stay at home mother | Mar 07 20:27 |
| Sosumi | taking all the courses she can | Mar 07 20:27 |
| Sosumi | on the other hand, maybe I should go the US and become a perpetual student | Mar 07 20:29 |
| Sosumi | living on the chump change of the student loan while on the side keep doing what I am doing now | Mar 07 20:30 |
| Sosumi | ofc I am joking | Mar 07 20:31 |
| Sosumi | although I admit that I've considering in studying biology | Mar 07 20:31 |
| Sosumi | after I'm done with physics | Mar 07 20:31 |
| Sosumi | but university is inexpensive in portugal | Mar 07 20:32 |
| Sosumi | bachelor+master is roughly 6000€ | Mar 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Wow, so many Novell execs landed in the same company https://twitter.com/ianrbruce | Mar 07 20:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com | Ian Bruce (ianrbruce) on Twitter | Mar 07 20:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | Hovsepian, Bruce... | Mar 07 20:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Registration opens for Document Freedom Day | Mar 07 21:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2014 http://t.co/hfrN5DbTu0 | Mar 07 21:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs8lz | Mar 07 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Registration opens for Document Freedom Day 2014 | Tux Machines | Mar 07 21:16 | |
| Sosumi | http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm | Mar 07 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.csail.mit.edu | How To Make A Mint: The Cryptography of Anonymous Electronic Cash [ http://ur1.ca/gs8vt ] | Mar 07 21:57 | |
| Sosumi | from 1996 | Mar 07 21:58 |
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| schestowitz__ | [19:08] <MinceR> XFaCE is still here :> | Mar 07 22:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Less active than he was some years ago | Mar 07 22:22 |
| schestowitz__ | [20:26] <Sosumi> a part of me died after reading that article | Mar 07 22:22 |
| schestowitz__ | !google michael moore student loan boot neck | Mar 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Michael Moore on Student Debt: 'The Boot on Your Neck' - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DM16NjL6Ja2Q | Mar 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Student Debt Video Playlist | Student Body of America Association | http://www.studentbodyofamerica.org/video-playlists/student-debt | Mar 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Video Playlists | Student Body of America Association | http://www.studentbodyofamerica.org/video-playlists | Mar 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Michael Moore: Here Comes Trouble - FORA.tv | http://fora.tv/2011/10/02/Michael_Moore_Here_Comes_Trouble | Mar 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | see [1] | Mar 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Lessig still uses apple garbage http://www.lessig.org/2014/03/help-with-a-mail-client-for-the-increasingly-unfriendly-os-x-platform/ | Mar 07 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lessig.org | Help with a Mail client (for the increasingly unfriendly OS X platform)? | Lessig [ http://ur1.ca/grhl7 ] | Mar 07 22:24 | |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2014/mar/1/euro-candidate-vote-2014/ | Mar 07 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "This election will be hard, and no doubt dominated by the negative UKIP agenda. We are offering something really different - a vision for a Britain really engaged internationally, but pushing for the fundamental change that Europe needs on all levels to make it really work. To make it truly democratic and a politics of the people." | Mar 07 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pirateparty.org.uk | Euro Candidate Vote 2014 - Pirate Party UK [ http://ur1.ca/gs91l ] | Mar 07 22:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First beta of KDE Applications 4.13 is out | Mar 07 23:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RkAtBAuL03 | Mar 07 23:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs9c9 | Mar 07 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First beta of KDE Applications 4.13 is out | Tux Machines | Mar 07 23:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1JMMWMOBGAX38 | Mar 08 00:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The GOP had a minority outreach session at CPAC. [ http://ur1.ca/gs9tg ] | Mar 08 00:34 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/06/1282678/-The-GOP-s-problem-with-non-white-voters-in-one-awesome-picture | Mar 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | If you ever need to clear the room at a GOP convention in the future, you know exactly what to do, I guess. LOL | Mar 08 00:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | The GOP's problem with non-white voters, in one awesome picture [ http://ur1.ca/gs9tj ] | Mar 08 00:34 | |
| DaemonFC | It probably works better than screaming "Fire!". | Mar 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | Just scream "black people!" and the entire convention will go running out the fire exits. | Mar 08 00:34 |
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| MinceR | gn | Mar 08 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/03/07/new-android-rat-infects-google-play-apps-turning-phones-into-spyware-zombies | Mar 08 03:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com | New Android "RAT" infects Google Play apps, turning phones into spyware zombies [ http://ur1.ca/gsb6a ] | Mar 08 03:36 | |
| DaemonFC | Do we want to respond to this crap? | Mar 08 03:36 |
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| prurigro | 99% of android phones are already spyware zombies | Mar 08 04:11 |
| prurigro | I guess what people consider spyware these days depends which companies are getting access to your info | Mar 08 04:12 |
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| stuufff | Currently shadow boxing | Mar 08 06:09 |
| stuufff | saving the planet | Mar 08 06:09 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/vfdal/status/442068894845386752 | Mar 08 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@vfdal: @schestowitz Comcast appears to have forbidden ANY MSNBC on-air discussion. Alex Wagner failed to ask Julian Assange about it today. | Mar 08 06:52 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3724039 | Mar 08 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Why XFCE beats KD... | Mar 08 06:55 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Cinnamon" | Mar 08 06:55 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3730869 | Mar 08 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Do users really n... | Mar 08 06:57 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Short answer: No Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo.' | Mar 08 06:57 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3731736 | Mar 08 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Corporate media i... | Mar 08 06:57 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Gee. Thanks Comflix." | Mar 08 06:58 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3731765 | Mar 08 06:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Passing enterpris... | Mar 08 06:59 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Sounds like Windows users. As far as privacy goes, they probably did better sending the laptop by snail mail. Sending it by email or their vpn would have left copies all over the place." | Mar 08 06:59 |
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| schestowitz__ | http://www.advogato.org/article/1076.html | Mar 08 07:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.advogato.org | Advogato: Universal HealthCare - is it possible? [ http://ur1.ca/gsdmc ] | Mar 08 07:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | http://fossforce.com/2014/03/ubuntu-keeps-mysql-xp-wont-go-away/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-keeps-mysql-xp-wont-go-away | Mar 08 07:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Ubuntu Keeps MySQL, Why XP Won't Go Away & More… - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/gsdmj ] | Mar 08 07:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Video of the Week: Yocto Project Saves | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Embedded Linux Devs from Frankenstein OS | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ktWrbAmNsh | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsdux | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Early Look at How Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty Is | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shaping Up http://t.co/MuuhSJisGU | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsduz | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) 201403 review | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WWX0sRoVMq | Mar 08 07:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Open-Source Performance Over Three | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Years, Compared To Legacy Catalyst | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tnCN5erXbO | Mar 08 07:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Distros Compared, Free Ed, and Making Money | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/bK88rEFSoi | Mar 08 07:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Video of the Week: Yocto Project Saves Embedded Linux Devs from Frankenstein OS | Tux Machines | Mar 08 07:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Early Look at How Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty Is Shaping Up | Tux Machines | Mar 08 07:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) 201403 review | Tux Machines | Mar 08 07:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon Open-Source Performance Over Three Years, Compared To Legacy Catalyst | Tux Machines | Mar 08 07:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distros Compared, Free Ed, and Making Money | Tux Machines | Mar 08 07:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @VonnieSans6616 @tuxmachines Mix the particular Solutions to | Mar 08 07:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Generate income online .www.f4we.com/finance | Mar 08 07:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsdvm | Mar 08 07:56 |
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| schestowitz__ | twitter spam issues | Mar 08 08:44 |
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| schestowitz__ | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2014/030514-network-firewalls-aren39t-dead-279436.html?source=nww_rss | Mar 08 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Network firewalls aren't dead yet - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/gsejv ] | Mar 08 08:59 | |
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| msb_ | That article "Why XFCE beats KDE" is crap for newbies. First thing it talks about is installing a "theme", and spends a lot of space on that. The best "theme" is a neutral gray that doesn't distract the eye. If you want to see a picture, display one in a window. This is elementary psychology. Then the article doesn't even mention multiple named desktops that are very quick and easy to switch between, allowing uncluttered setups for | Mar 08 11:13 |
| msb_ | various activities and projects. That's one of KDE3 and XFCE's most valuable features, giving you in effect 20 computers instead of one. At least for KDE3 and Trinity; I don't know how it works with XFCE, and KDE4 has totally ruined it by making the desktop names unreadable in the selector applet. | Mar 08 11:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Simplicity Linux 14.1 - A fresh take on Puppy | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux http://t.co/baYubj11v0 | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsi4f | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 30-Way Graphics Card Comparison On Ubuntu Linux | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 14.04 LTS http://t.co/JfbEARKlvt | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsi4g | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Interesting facts about Raspberry Pi | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/5rFq7kzK1H | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsi4h | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why your virtualization should be open-source | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/IDcqjyfjlR | Mar 08 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsi4i | Mar 08 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Patching Gets Dynamic | Mar 08 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/gbSI87e5gV | Mar 08 13:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Simplicity Linux 14.1 - A fresh take on Puppy Linux | Tux Machines | Mar 08 13:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 30-Way Graphics Card Comparison On Ubuntu Linux 14.04 LTS | Tux Machines | Mar 08 13:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Interesting facts about Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines | Mar 08 13:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why your virtualization should be open-source | Tux Machines | Mar 08 13:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Patching Gets Dynamic | Tux Machines | Mar 08 13:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine Announcement http://t.co/iiHEdPkP44 | Mar 08 14:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsin0 | Mar 08 14:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Announcement | Tux Machines | Mar 08 14:19 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Mar 08 14:44 |
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| msb_ | http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/05/220125/fcc-questions-state-laws-that.html | Mar 08 18:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcclatchydc.com | WASHINGTON: FCC questions state laws that block cities from building their own broadband network | Economy | McClatchy DC [ http://ur1.ca/gsmve ] | Mar 08 18:26 | |
| msb_ | Very interesting and thorough article there! | Mar 08 18:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to get a side launcher like Ubuntu on your | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android device http://t.co/xdxKi8vWeK | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsn3j | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 beta 1 offers a sneak peek at | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 'Trusty Tahr' http://t.co/lLpcMa3CGe | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsn3l | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/6jouIqrgf6 | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsn3m | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DRM Kernel Log Renderer Proposed For Linux | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/X4Xb72FpgQ | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsn3n | Mar 08 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/NSf9SchLWb | Mar 08 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to get a side launcher like Ubuntu on your Android device | Tux Machines | Mar 08 18:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 beta 1 offers a sneak peek at 'Trusty Tahr' | Tux Machines | Mar 08 18:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 08 18:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DRM Kernel Log Renderer Proposed For Linux | Tux Machines | Mar 08 18:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Mar 08 18:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Distros http://t.co/MH1ByXjMqX | Mar 08 19:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsnqr | Mar 08 19:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Distros | Tux Machines | Mar 08 19:20 | |
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| Sosumi | http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1748208 | Mar 08 22:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardforum.com | Project White Lightning by Elmy - [H]ard|Forum [ http://ur1.ca/gsqio ] | Mar 08 22:48 | |
| Sosumi | loved the tubing | Mar 08 22:48 |
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| msb | Unfortunately, it's the people with little money who are the targets of the political liars and swindlers, because the poor/middle are numerous and cast most of the votes. | Mar 02 01:26 |
| msb | So the wealthy liars are going to make their content free. | Mar 02 01:27 |
| msb | Their media lying and swindling is how they stay in power. | Mar 02 01:28 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm glad I did my shopping this morning. | Mar 02 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | There's freezing rain outside right now. :P | Mar 02 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | uggh | Mar 02 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | I probably couldn't get my car anywhere right now if I wanted to. | Mar 02 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | Referring a gay person to a "conversion therapist" (discredited pseudo-scientific religious bunk) is an act of hate. All those "ex-gay" programs do is teach people to hate themselves over a fact of life. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | Being gay is a fact of life. Like being six feet tall or having blue eyes. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | She shouldn't have been told to attend a "remediation program". She should have been fired immediately. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | It would be nice if there was a remediation program for Fundamentalist Christians which could successfully convert them into human beings. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | But, you have to want to improve, and they don't. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | "As a manager at Walmart, I fired one person for calling me a ****ot. My store manager backed me up. I fought her unemployment case and won. " | Mar 02 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | "What's really funny is that the woman I fired used Walmart as a job reference. | Mar 02 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | I told them "she was fired over an integrity issue". | Mar 02 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | That usually means stealing. I got like 5-6 calls wanting references and I kept telling them that." | Mar 02 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/vladimir-putin-crimean-coup-russia-ukraine | Mar 02 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Crimean coup is payback by Putin for Ukraine's revolution | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/gqd3n ] | Mar 02 08:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUb2OJn1rgY | Mar 02 11:17 |
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| MinceR | https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1939990_10152268391438293_863846184_n.jpg | Mar 02 12:04 |
| gde33 | msb: The liars<msb> So the wealthy liars are going to make their content free. <msb> Their media lying and swindling is how they stay in power. | Mar 02 12:08 |
| gde33 | I'm not so sure that would work as well as it does at the moment. | Mar 02 12:09 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 02 12:47 |
| MinceR | https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1794731_1469697196578376_629768553_n.jpg | Mar 02 12:56 |
| Sosumi | I'd rather have russia visiting me | Mar 02 13:29 |
| Sosumi | than some US/nato fascistoids | Mar 02 13:30 |
| Sosumi | or some british inbred lunatics | Mar 02 13:30 |
| Sosumi | aka the royal parasites and supporting "nobility" | Mar 02 13:31 |
| Sosumi | *cough* baroness Ashton *cough* | Mar 02 13:31 |
| Sosumi | didn't vote for her | Mar 02 13:31 |
| Sosumi | yet she's there at the EU dictating foreign policy | Mar 02 13:31 |
| MinceR | russia isn't fascist? cool story bro :> | Mar 02 13:32 |
| Sosumi | when was the last time I've seen russia imposing regime change in other countries? | Mar 02 13:33 |
| Sosumi | what I have to say is when you see russia being the good guy | Mar 02 13:33 |
| MinceR | 1956? | Mar 02 13:34 |
| Sosumi | you know the everything's FUBAR | Mar 02 13:34 |
| MinceR | when do i see russia being the good guy? | Mar 02 13:34 |
| Sosumi | defending syria | Mar 02 13:34 |
| Sosumi | being a balance force vs the PNAC policies | Mar 02 13:34 |
| Sosumi | and yes they were also suplying later after the US alongside with china | Mar 02 13:35 |
| Sosumi | weapons to the insurgents in the now former portuguese colonies | Mar 02 13:35 |
| MinceR | good thing annexation isn't 'regime change', eh? :> | Mar 02 13:36 |
| Sosumi | you mean the anexation of ukraine and crimea? | Mar 02 13:37 |
| Sosumi | the ukranians themselves are the ones raising russian flags | Mar 02 13:37 |
| Sosumi | and the military forces are defecting voluntarily | Mar 02 13:37 |
| MinceR | i wonder which ukrainians, exactly | Mar 02 13:38 |
| MinceR | after all, who called the russians into hungary in 1956 was technically hungarian... | Mar 02 13:38 |
| Sosumi | the ones who don't want to submit to IMF rule | Mar 02 13:38 |
| MinceR | is IMF rule comparable to russian rule? | Mar 02 13:38 |
| Sosumi | nor wanting to see their country becoming a little china in the middle of europe | Mar 02 13:38 |
| Sosumi | IMF rule is a rule of austerity | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | and stagnation | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | see portugal | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | everything came to crawl after the rescue | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | there's nothing going on | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | no development | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | 0 new infrastructure | Mar 02 13:39 |
| Sosumi | massive cuts in education | Mar 02 13:40 |
| Sosumi | sorry but for me | Mar 02 13:40 |
| Sosumi | a big bomb at the IMF headquarters any day | Mar 02 13:40 |
| MinceR | so enforcing a policy of austerity is the same thing as taking over a country | Mar 02 13:40 |
| MinceR | interesting idea | Mar 02 13:40 |
| Sosumi | it kind of is | Mar 02 13:40 |
| Sosumi | you're taking a country economicaly | Mar 02 13:41 |
| Sosumi | instead of an army at your doorstep | Mar 02 13:41 |
| Sosumi | you have some folks in a suit | Mar 02 13:41 |
| Sosumi | with a backpack filled with papers | Mar 02 13:42 |
| Sosumi | just too bad that the portuguese are way too pacific | Mar 02 13:42 |
| Sosumi | otherwise the IMF guys would have been kicked out of here long time ago | Mar 02 13:43 |
| Sosumi | actually | Mar 02 13:43 |
| Sosumi | I call the typical portuguese as some sort of ignorant twat that as long as he has beer and football | Mar 02 13:44 |
| Sosumi | everything is ok | Mar 02 13:44 |
| Sosumi | no matter if everything is burning around him | Mar 02 13:44 |
| MinceR | i doubt they're nearly as ignorant as the typical hungarian | Mar 02 13:44 |
| Sosumi | never been to hungary, so can't tell | Mar 02 13:45 |
| MinceR | it's enough to see how hungarians decided to discard democracy in favor of dictatorship | Mar 02 13:45 |
| MinceR | on their own | Mar 02 13:45 |
| Sosumi | just like the americans voted Obozo twice? the british call a monarchy a democracy | Mar 02 13:46 |
| Sosumi | or the portuguese giving two mandates to former PM Jose Socrates | Mar 02 13:47 |
| MinceR | usians can still replace their government as easily as before | Mar 02 13:47 |
| MinceR | the british are ignorant | Mar 02 13:47 |
| Sosumi | and then voting the fascistoid Passos Coelho in | Mar 02 13:47 |
| Sosumi | of the same party as the maoist Barroso | Mar 02 13:47 |
| Sosumi | and when you have the collusions in between the the portuguese intelligence services (lol) and private investment firms | Mar 02 13:49 |
| Sosumi | like the ongoing investment group | Mar 02 13:50 |
| Sosumi | !google ongoing sis sied | Mar 02 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Diretor do SIED terá passado informação antes de sair - Expresso.pt | http://expresso.sapo.pt/diretor-do-sied-tera-passado-informacao-antes-de-sair%3Df730233 | Mar 02 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Portuguese Intelligence Agency head could return to Macau | http://www.macaudailytimes.com.mo/macau/40507-portuguese-intelligence-agency-head-could-return-to-macau.html | Mar 02 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Legislation | Geral - cfsirp | http://www.cfsirp.pt/en/Geral/legislation.html | Mar 02 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Wild Bill Hickok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Bill_Hickok | Mar 02 13:50 |
| Sosumi | which also has ties to the portucale group responsible for the BPN bail outs | Mar 02 13:51 |
| Sosumi | aka debt transfer | Mar 02 13:51 |
| Sosumi | from the private sector to the public sector | Mar 02 13:51 |
| Sosumi | but hey no one is asking for their heads | Mar 02 13:51 |
| msb | The US cannot easily vote out a fascist president. The Republicans are openly fascist, and the Democrats are fascists who claim they're liberals but never act like it economically. They allow GLBT and abortion rights, but that's all. | Mar 02 14:09 |
| Sosumi | no | Mar 02 14:09 |
| Sosumi | they distract you with LGBT and abortion rights | Mar 02 14:10 |
| msb | We have a two-party system, and both are fascist economically and in foreign policy and military intervention/invasion. | Mar 02 14:10 |
| MinceR | there are other parties and voters could vote for them if they cared | Mar 02 14:10 |
| Sosumi | "if" | Mar 02 14:11 |
| msb | Exactly -- the LGBT and abortion rights are just a distraction, a liberal disguise. | Mar 02 14:11 |
| MinceR | of course they won't as long as they believe that the democrats are different from the republicans | Mar 02 14:11 |
| Sosumi | that is why democracy doesn't work | Mar 02 14:11 |
| MinceR | because the people don't care | Mar 02 14:11 |
| MinceR | democracy can't work that way | Mar 02 14:11 |
| MinceR | (and no other system can either) | Mar 02 14:11 |
| Sosumi | "if" only they cared... | Mar 02 14:11 |
| msb | The people don't know because the corporate media totally lie to them, and that's where they get their info. | Mar 02 14:12 |
| MinceR | they have access to non-corporate media | Mar 02 14:12 |
| msb | Many care, but they have no idea what's going on. | Mar 02 14:12 |
| Sosumi | and since when was the role of the media to tell the truth? | Mar 02 14:12 |
| Sosumi | they just tell what fits the interests of their parent companies | Mar 02 14:12 |
| Sosumi | and if it is a state owned channel | Mar 02 14:12 |
| msb | Unless they go to the Web, the usians hear only lies. | Mar 02 14:12 |
| MinceR | most usians have access to the web, do they not? | Mar 02 14:13 |
| Sosumi | ofc it'll prattle the views of the interests vested in the public offcie | Mar 02 14:13 |
| MinceR | (for now) | Mar 02 14:13 |
| Sosumi | *office | Mar 02 14:13 |
| MinceR | now that net neutrality is gone, it's only a question of time for them to lose access | Mar 02 14:13 |
| msb | Amazingly, one of the public TV channels carries Russia Today for 30 or 60 minutes on weekdays. | Mar 02 14:15 |
| msb | MinceR: That may be true. It's certainly why net neutrality was killed. | Mar 02 14:15 |
| msb | Most usians don't even know about alternative news sources on the Web. | Mar 02 14:17 |
| msb | Of course the corporate TV, radio, and newspapers never mention it. | Mar 02 14:17 |
| msb | My mother and a friend around here don't use their computers, and both think that the US and Israel protect democracy in other countries. | Mar 02 14:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 14:19 |
| Sosumi | you don't even need a computer to learn about british zionism | Mar 02 14:19 |
| Sosumi | just go to a library and pick up a book | Mar 02 14:19 |
| Sosumi | nor to learn that the ashkanasi jewri are eastern europeans | Mar 02 14:20 |
| msb | Yeah, but it has to be the right book. Actually, I only know about jewish zionism. | Mar 02 14:20 |
| Sosumi | the real semites are the arabs | Mar 02 14:20 |
| Sosumi | you know | Mar 02 14:20 |
| msb | Apparently genetic studies vary on that. | Mar 02 14:20 |
| MinceR | some of the jews are semites too | Mar 02 14:20 |
| Sosumi | those guys that kind of look like gypsies in their skin tone | Mar 02 14:21 |
| Sosumi | not the snow white princesses | Mar 02 14:21 |
| msb | Yes. The sephardics. The ashkenazis treat them as "niggers". | Mar 02 14:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 14:22 |
| msb | They were the victims -- the Ringworm Children -- of huge X-ray irradiation overdoses to the head done by the Israelis, instigated by the US govt to find the effects of radiation. Thousands were killed outright, and the rest suffered seizures, cancers, etc. | Mar 02 14:23 |
| msb | MinceR: As long as you confuse the concepts of "authoritarians" and "fascists", and as long as your mind is back in 1956, you won't be able to comprehend that the "neo"-Nazis that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc. They are actual Nazis. | Mar 02 14:28 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Mar 02 14:28 |
| MinceR | cool story bro | Mar 02 14:28 |
| msb | MinceR: You say "uh huh" when you ignore the truth. | Mar 02 14:28 |
| MinceR | msb is here to bring us The Truth! all hail msb! | Mar 02 14:29 |
| msb | MinceR: What part of what I've said to you think is only a "story". | Mar 02 14:29 |
| MinceR | msb: you realize that the current russian government explicitly hates gays, right? | Mar 02 14:29 |
| msb | MinceR: Bullshit! I can give you plenty of references for this. Roy even reposted them. | Mar 02 14:29 |
| MinceR | msb: you realize that the stalinist government was explicitly going after jews, right? | Mar 02 14:29 |
| msb | The stalinist govt is long gone. This is not 1956! | Mar 02 14:30 |
| MinceR | msb: the guys you're trying to whitewash are just as bad as the other side | Mar 02 14:30 |
| MinceR | if not worse | Mar 02 14:30 |
| msb | I'm not whitewashing them, but they're not nearly as bad as explicit Nazis. | Mar 02 14:30 |
| MinceR | msb: also, i'm interested in your "references" about how the current russian government is not going after gays | Mar 02 14:31 |
| msb | MinceR: Do you hate "commies" so much that you like Nazis? | Mar 02 14:31 |
| MinceR | i hate them both | Mar 02 14:31 |
| MinceR | also, apparently you have reading comprehension issues | Mar 02 14:31 |
| MinceR | you might profit from an English course. | Mar 02 14:31 |
| msb | You're stooping to nonsensical personal attacks -- proof that part of your mind knows you're wrong. | Mar 02 14:32 |
| MinceR | you might want to re-read the buffer/log to see who started nonsensical personal attacks here | Mar 02 14:33 |
| MinceR | hint: it was not me. | Mar 02 14:33 |
| msb | Russia is the only major opposition to the US-Israel-Rothschild fascists. | Mar 02 14:33 |
| MinceR | it's opposition only in the sense "i wish i was doing the same thing in that position" | Mar 02 14:34 |
| MinceR | just like how jobbik is considered to be an opposition to fidesz. | Mar 02 14:35 |
| msb | I said that your mind was back in 1956, when the Russians invaded Hungary, and that colors all your political thinking. | Mar 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | and you were wrong | Mar 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | russia keeps proving that they haven't gone anywhere | Mar 02 14:35 |
| msb | How? | Mar 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | the former leader of the kgb is now ruling the country | Mar 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | russia is just as imperialistic as it was | Mar 02 14:35 |
| msb | So? It's what he does that counts, not what he was. | Mar 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | only they have a different cult behind them now | Mar 02 14:36 |
| msb | What nations is Russia invading or conquering? | Mar 02 14:36 |
| MinceR | some people apparently like to pretend that makes all the difference | Mar 02 14:36 |
| MinceR | ukraine, currently | Mar 02 14:36 |
| MinceR | viktor orban might hand hungary over to them too | Mar 02 14:36 |
| MinceR | with the paks 2 deal | Mar 02 14:36 |
| MinceR | or if a miracle happens and the democratic opposition wins the next election and tells the russians the deal is off, we might be invaded too | Mar 02 14:37 |
| msb | The US and EU are the ones that conquered -- regime-changed -- Ukraine, not Russia. Russia is only trying to reverse that and restore the elected govt. | Mar 02 14:37 |
| MinceR | yes, replacing a communist dictatorship with democracy is conquest | Mar 02 14:37 |
| MinceR | what was i thinking? | Mar 02 14:37 |
| msb | MinceR: Not everything that happens in the world involves Hungary!!! | Mar 02 14:37 |
| MinceR | msb: if you love russia so much, why don't you move there? | Mar 02 14:38 |
| msb | The govt of Ukraine was not a "communist dictatorship". It was elected. | Mar 02 14:38 |
| MinceR | so you like the current hungarian government too, don't you? | Mar 02 14:38 |
| MinceR | hitler was elected too. | Mar 02 14:39 |
| msb | MinceR: That "if you love XXX so much, why don't you move there?" is a very standard political propaganda attack. | Mar 02 14:39 |
| MinceR | btw you still haven't provided any references on how russia isn't attacking gays | Mar 02 14:39 |
| msb | Why would you say I like the current Hungarian govt? | Mar 02 14:40 |
| MinceR | because they were elected, and introduced an authoritarian regime | Mar 02 14:40 |
| msb | And you say they're nazi-type fascists. So of course I would not favor them. | Mar 02 14:41 |
| msb | Putting false words in someone else's mouth is also a standard lying propaganda technique. | Mar 02 14:41 |
| MinceR | because you don't mind being oppressed so long as there's a yellow hammer and sickle on the red flag, not a swastika | Mar 02 14:41 |
| msb | No, I don't like any oppression. | Mar 02 14:42 |
| msb | But socialism is not necessarily oppression. | Mar 02 14:42 |
| MinceR | as far as i can tell, so far all forms of "socialism" were. | Mar 02 14:42 |
| msb | Not in Nicaragua, and not in Vietnam. | Mar 02 14:43 |
| MinceR | (not what republicans call "socialism" -- to them everything is, that is not them) | Mar 02 14:43 |
| msb | And only in Cuba because it's constantly attacked by the US. | Mar 02 14:43 |
| MinceR | that's not a very good excuse. | Mar 02 14:43 |
| MinceR | sounds a lot like 1984 to me | Mar 02 14:43 |
| msb | Cuba was invaded by the US, and sprayed by the US with swine flu that killed all their pigs, and plant-eating insects to destroy their crops. | Mar 02 14:44 |
| MinceR | vietnam is a single-party state, therefore autocratic | Mar 02 14:44 |
| msb | And the US inflicts an economic embargo on Cuba such that no company that deals with Cuba can sell anything in the US. | Mar 02 14:45 |
| MinceR | autocracy is oppression. | Mar 02 14:46 |
| msb | Eisenhower -- not a commie -- in his memoirs said that 80% of Vietnam would have voted to unify under Ho Chi Minh if the US had not prevented the election. | Mar 02 14:46 |
| MinceR | and i'm not sure what's going on in nicaragua | Mar 02 14:46 |
| msb | They voted for the Ortega socialist regime in the most recent election. | Mar 02 14:47 |
| MinceR | and how free was that election? | Mar 02 14:47 |
| msb | No indication that it wasn't. | Mar 02 14:47 |
| msb | You think that all socialists are stalinist, because you are traumatized by 1956. | Mar 02 14:48 |
| msb | People can vote to share stuff -- that's socialism. | Mar 02 14:49 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_general_election,_2011#Election | Mar 02 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nicaraguan general election, 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqewl ] | Mar 02 14:49 | |
| MinceR | yes, and people can vote to take my stuff away | Mar 02 14:49 |
| MinceR | that's socialism too | Mar 02 14:49 |
| msb | So? Hindrance of observation in 20% of polling places could not account for a 2:1 win by the socialists. | Mar 02 14:51 |
| msb | Socialism would only take (some of) your stuff away if you were wealthy. | Mar 02 14:52 |
| MinceR | why did they need to hinder the work of observers in the first place? | Mar 02 14:52 |
| msb | And if lots of people were poor. | Mar 02 14:52 |
| MinceR | and an autocratic government decides who's wealthy and who's poor | Mar 02 14:52 |
| MinceR | i've seen how that works | Mar 02 14:53 |
| msb | And a pure capitalist "two-party" government stages 9/11, invades two nations and murders 2,000,000 people, is murdering more with drones, and robbed 28 trillion dollars of tax money to give to crooked banks. | Mar 02 14:54 |
| MinceR | that was one country out of how many? | Mar 02 14:54 |
| msb | That is the inevitable result of unregulated capitalism, with no limits on wealth. | Mar 02 14:55 |
| MinceR | no it's not | Mar 02 14:55 |
| MinceR | it does not follow. | Mar 02 14:55 |
| msb | Unfortunately it's the most powerful nation in the world, with more weapons than the rest of the world combined. | Mar 02 14:55 |
| MinceR | there are plenty of countries that have insufficient regulation and no limits on wealth | Mar 02 14:55 |
| MinceR | yet they don't do such things | Mar 02 14:55 |
| msb | The whole EU is inflicting austerity -- which means keeping people poor by robbing them thru taxation. | Mar 02 14:56 |
| MinceR | not all of usa's troubles come from lack of socialism. | Mar 02 14:56 |
| MinceR | so, which state of the EU staged 9/11, invaded nations and murdered people? | Mar 02 14:57 |
| msb | A graduated tax on wealth would help a great deal. | Mar 02 14:57 |
| msb | MinceR: That's a nonsense question. | Mar 02 14:57 |
| MinceR | or it wouldn't | Mar 02 14:57 |
| MinceR | how so? | Mar 02 14:57 |
| MinceR | you equated non-socialism with those things | Mar 02 14:57 |
| MinceR | therefore EU members not doing that means they must be socialist | Mar 02 14:58 |
| MinceR | does it not? | Mar 02 14:58 |
| msb | I equated unregulated capitalism with those things in the US. | Mar 02 14:58 |
| MinceR | or could it be perhaps that your premise was flawed? | Mar 02 14:58 |
| msb | Again you are putting nonsense in my mouth. | Mar 02 14:58 |
| MinceR | no, you're putting nonsense in your own mouth | Mar 02 14:58 |
| msb | Can you talk without using lying propaganda techniques? | Mar 02 14:59 |
| MinceR | you're trying to twist reality beyond recognition to support your utopia. | Mar 02 14:59 |
| MinceR | can you? | Mar 02 14:59 |
| msb | My idea of the best system is a graduated tax on wealth, and socialism or social-democracy for large businesses, with capitalism for small ones. | Mar 02 15:00 |
| msb | I don't claim it would be utopia, but it would be much better than what we have. | Mar 02 15:01 |
| MinceR | and everyone who doesn't agree with that must be a nazi. | Mar 02 15:01 |
| MinceR | interesting. | Mar 02 15:01 |
| msb | Wealth would be limited to something like $10million. And corporations would have NO political power, no ability to donate to campaigns or parties. | Mar 02 15:02 |
| MinceR | which country implements this? | Mar 02 15:02 |
| msb | Lying propaganda technique: MinceR: "and everyone who doesn't agree with that must be a nazi" | Mar 02 15:03 |
| MinceR | lying propaganda technique: 152806 < msb> MinceR: As long as you confuse the concepts of "authoritarians" and "fascists", and as long as your mind is back in 1956, you won't be able to comprehend that the "neo"-Nazis | Mar 02 15:03 |
| MinceR | that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc. They are actual Nazis. | Mar 02 15:03 |
| msb | No country that I know of implements it. But I think all should. | Mar 02 15:03 |
| MinceR | more lying propaganda technique: 153106 < msb> MinceR: Do you hate "commies" so much that you like Nazis? | Mar 02 15:04 |
| MinceR | msb: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks. | Mar 02 15:04 |
| msb | Let's get back to this: Wealth would be limited to something like $10million. And corporations would have NO political power, no ability to donate to campaigns or parties. | Mar 02 15:04 |
| msb | My idea of the best system is a graduated tax on wealth, and socialism or social-democracy for large businesses, with capitalism for small ones. | Mar 02 15:05 |
| MinceR | a hard wealth limit is a very bad idea. | Mar 02 15:05 |
| msb | Can you agree that that would be a good system? | Mar 02 15:05 |
| msb | Why? | Mar 02 15:05 |
| msb | Why does anyone need more than 10 million dollars? | Mar 02 15:05 |
| MinceR | what if i inherit real estate worth $10M but have no food in the fridge, so i go to work | Mar 02 15:05 |
| MinceR | but i can't get more money so i starve | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | or i must sell it? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | also, why $10M? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| msb | You can sell $1 million worth. | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | what if the value of the currency changes? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | what if the market doesn't want it? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| msb | Because that's plenty more than anyone or any family needs. | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | also, who decides what capital such as real estate is worth in the first place? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| MinceR | who decides if my car is worth too much? | Mar 02 15:06 |
| msb | Market value. | Mar 02 15:07 |
| MinceR | who decides if the prime minister's car is worth too much? | Mar 02 15:07 |
| msb | You're nitpicking. | Mar 02 15:07 |
| MinceR | no, i'm not | Mar 02 15:07 |
| MinceR | i'm bringing up very real issues with your inflexible system. | Mar 02 15:07 |
| MinceR | also, it's screaming for people to find and exploit loopholes | Mar 02 15:07 |
| msb | Let's say no hard limit on wealth, but the graduated wealthy tax would be designed to approximately limit around 10 million. | Mar 02 15:09 |
| msb | Yes, loopholes would have to be closed. That's true of any system. | Mar 02 15:09 |
| msb | The democratically elected govt would do that. | Mar 02 15:09 |
| MinceR | wealth tax causes people to move their capital to other countries. | Mar 02 15:10 |
| msb | Your car couldn't be "worth too much". Taxation would be based on total wealth. | Mar 02 15:10 |
| msb | It would still be counted as their wealth. | Mar 02 15:11 |
| MinceR | except it would not be visible to the state. | Mar 02 15:11 |
| MinceR | and of course the richer you are, the easier it is to find and use services that help you exploit loopholes | Mar 02 15:12 |
| msb | Foreign investment and banking would be required to be reported. | Mar 02 15:12 |
| MinceR | so the poor guys get struck | Mar 02 15:12 |
| MinceR | and how do you propose to enforce such a requirement? | Mar 02 15:12 |
| msb | The punishment would be imprisonment. | Mar 02 15:12 |
| MinceR | the government wouldn't find out in the first place | Mar 02 15:13 |
| MinceR | also, some kinds of property cannot be sold in part, the taxpayer would be required to sell the whole thing | Mar 02 15:13 |
| MinceR | which would be very disruptive | Mar 02 15:13 |
| msb | They could be required to sell some shares of it. | Mar 02 15:14 |
| MinceR | how do you sell shares of a house or a car? | Mar 02 15:14 |
| msb | A house or car worth over $10 million? | Mar 02 15:14 |
| msb | You nits could be solved. | Mar 02 15:15 |
| msb | What kind of economic system would you favor? | Mar 02 15:15 |
| MinceR | i'm not entirely decided. | Mar 02 15:15 |
| MinceR | i don't have a single system i have as much confidence in as you have in the above mentioned one. | Mar 02 15:15 |
| msb | Can you come up with one as good or better than mine? | Mar 02 15:16 |
| MinceR | probably | Mar 02 15:16 |
| msb | Then please do. | Mar 02 15:17 |
| msb | I'd also have a single-payer Canadian style health system. | Mar 02 15:17 |
| MinceR | democratic, regulated free-market system, income tax, VAT, limited government spending (for example, no m$ licenses bought), no wealth limit or wealth tax; opt-in health system | Mar 02 15:18 |
| MinceR | i agree with corporations not getting political power | Mar 02 15:19 |
| msb | So how do you prevent the ultra-wealthy from controlling the govt and media? | Mar 02 15:19 |
| MinceR | limits on campaign contributions from individuals as well | Mar 02 15:20 |
| MinceR | an election system that doesn't distort results in favor of big parties | Mar 02 15:20 |
| MinceR | (some sort of preferential voting) | Mar 02 15:20 |
| MinceR | if government media exists, it could be treated as another independent branch of power | Mar 02 15:21 |
| msb | Those are good. I'll add them to mine. But unlimited wealth always enables unlimited power. | Mar 02 15:21 |
| msb | I'm talking about corporate/wealth controlled media, not govt controlled. | Mar 02 15:22 |
| MinceR | perhaps even separate elections for all branches of power, perhaps except the judiciary | Mar 02 15:22 |
| MinceR | for private media, i'd remove government interference (seeing what it did in hungary) | Mar 02 15:22 |
| msb | We already have that. Doesn't do any good. | Mar 02 15:22 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_lost#Democracy_Vouchers | Mar 02 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Republic, Lost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqf3r ] | Mar 02 15:23 | |
| MinceR | this could help too | Mar 02 15:23 |
| msb | Wealthy interference with media is just as bad. | Mar 02 15:23 |
| MinceR | it is, but it could at least have multiple poles | Mar 02 15:23 |
| MinceR | some of the issues could be solved by regulations to keep the market free | Mar 02 15:23 |
| MinceR | so you don't end up with the huge media/isp conglomerates as in the usa. | Mar 02 15:24 |
| MinceR | also, some of these controls could eventually help fix issues in other areas | Mar 02 15:25 |
| MinceR | for example, reforming campaign financing and the election system could remove incentives for corruption in other areas. | Mar 02 15:25 |
| msb | No. There's no way to eliminate wholesale lying in the media except by having it controlled democratically and financed by lots of small contributions. | Mar 02 15:26 |
| msb | Huge wealth always leads to corruption. It's unavoidable. | Mar 02 15:27 |
| MinceR | the government media could have that | Mar 02 15:27 |
| msb | Why do you want people to be able to be hugely wealthy? | Mar 02 15:27 |
| MinceR | because i don't think there's a good limit you could pick | Mar 02 15:27 |
| MinceR | and i don't think that the cited issues could be avoided, except by making the limit so high it won't matter | Mar 02 15:27 |
| msb | What's wrong with 10 million dollars? | Mar 02 15:28 |
| MinceR | it's arbitrary | Mar 02 15:28 |
| MinceR | and its real value will change with inflation | Mar 02 15:28 |
| msb | No, it's chosen to be much more than any family needs. | Mar 02 15:28 |
| MinceR | and as i've stated before, the rich will be in the best position to evade it | Mar 02 15:29 |
| msb | Proper money policy will prevent inflation. | Mar 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | families are irrelevant | Mar 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | and if you want people to have incentives to work smarter and more, you're going to have to look beyond essential needs | Mar 02 15:29 |
| msb | There won't be any rich (beyond $10M). | Mar 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | people want more than just survival, and rightly so | Mar 02 15:30 |
| MinceR | there will be, just your government won't know about it | Mar 02 15:30 |
| MinceR | in any case, i'd try the reforms i've mentioned and see how things work out before looking for more drastic measures, such as wealth limits, wealth taxation or dismantling the state entirely | Mar 02 15:31 |
| msb | You can get a good family helicopter for less than $1M | Mar 02 15:32 |
| msb | If $10M would only allow you and your family to "survive", you need to talk with DaemonFC! 8^) | Mar 02 15:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 15:33 |
| MinceR | or the dollar inflated. :> | Mar 02 15:34 |
| msb | Your reforms would not be enough, because huge wealth always gives huge power. | Mar 02 15:34 |
| msb | Gold/silver standard would prevent inflation. | Mar 02 15:34 |
| MinceR | it would not work | Mar 02 15:35 |
| MinceR | there is already more money in the economy than the gold/silver standard could support | Mar 02 15:35 |
| msb | But it's fake money. | Mar 02 15:35 |
| msb | So it would be necessary to deflate gradually. | Mar 02 15:36 |
| msb | Not that I'd want most people to have helicopters. It would be Death From Above! | Mar 02 15:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 15:39 |
| msb | Hybrid SUVs are good. | Mar 02 15:41 |
| msb | Hey, this is good. I now have a recommended economic system for my website! And a few days ago, I got here the ideal design for my next computer. I love #techrights! | Mar 02 15:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 15:45 |
| MinceR | sure, you could deflate fiat currency and replace it with a gold/silver standard based one | Mar 02 15:46 |
| MinceR | but you couldn't have enough of _that_ to support an economy of the current size. | Mar 02 15:46 |
| MinceR | people would probably come up with fiat currency again to work around that limit. | Mar 02 15:47 |
| msb | There's plenty of gold/silver/platinum still in the ground, and gold in seawater. | Mar 02 15:47 |
| msb | As long as the money is based on stuff with actual value, it's OK. | Mar 02 15:47 |
| msb | Fairly constant actual value. | Mar 02 15:48 |
| MinceR | even the value of precious metals isn't fairly constsnt | Mar 02 15:49 |
| MinceR | s/tsnt/tant/ | Mar 02 15:49 |
| MinceR | and as technology progresses, it will be even less so | Mar 02 15:49 |
| msb | The value of metals is fairly constant. It's their price in dollars that changes. | Mar 02 15:50 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Portugal/Interior.aspx?content_id=3716060&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | Mar 02 15:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tsf.pt | Haver 19 instituições a fazer escutas em Portugal «não faz nenhum sentido» - TSF [ http://ur1.ca/gqf9y ] | Mar 02 15:54 | |
| Sosumi | 19 institutions doing telephone screenings in portugal | Mar 02 15:55 |
| Sosumi | way too many according the ministry of justice | Mar 02 15:55 |
| Sosumi | what about none? | Mar 02 15:55 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 02 15:56 |
| Sosumi | no mention to warrants either | Mar 02 15:57 |
| Sosumi | also crapple to push new effort into iAd | Mar 02 16:02 |
| Sosumi | their advertisement platform | Mar 02 16:03 |
| Sosumi | said to be announced at this year's WWDC | Mar 02 16:03 |
| Sosumi | probably means that'll copy M$ | Mar 02 16:03 |
| Sosumi | in which all safari searches and a local searches through spotlight will be logged at crapple's servers | Mar 02 16:03 |
| Sosumi | just like M$ started doing after vista 8 | Mar 02 16:04 |
| MinceR | just like canonical started doing :> | Mar 02 16:04 |
| Sosumi | and probably associated with the apple ID | Mar 02 16:04 |
| Sosumi | yes but moronical doesn't charge neither for hardware nor software | Mar 02 16:05 |
| Sosumi | so the user can simply shove them to side | Mar 02 16:05 |
| Sosumi | I'm actually starting to think that in the future one might one need to run either windows or to a much lower extent osx | Mar 02 16:06 |
| Sosumi | for some specialized work | Mar 02 16:07 |
| Sosumi | like CAD/CAM work | Mar 02 16:07 |
| Sosumi | and that is if that software doesn't come to gnu/linux down the road | Mar 02 16:07 |
| Sosumi | which it should | Mar 02 16:07 |
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| Sosumi | I just can't believe that software like catia or autocad inventor are windows only | Mar 02 16:08 |
| Sosumi | and that at least, autodesk bothered to implement directx on their suits | Mar 02 16:08 |
| Sosumi | actually | Mar 02 16:17 |
| Sosumi | the trends points out to tablets and assortments | Mar 02 16:17 |
| Sosumi | but not with gnu/linux | Mar 02 16:17 |
| Sosumi | but with android and alikes | Mar 02 16:18 |
| Sosumi | which are enough for the facebook derplings, minor work and with no need to take to the computer repair store | Mar 02 16:19 |
| Sosumi | plus isn't the new trend to have the web close and more personal? | Mar 02 16:19 |
| Sosumi | in the way that a only tablet could? | Mar 02 16:20 |
| Sosumi | kind of like a newspaper | Mar 02 16:20 |
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| Sosumi | and I'm surprised that the new m$ CEO | Mar 02 18:41 |
| Sosumi | what was his name? | Mar 02 18:42 |
| Sosumi | Satya Nutella? lol | Mar 02 18:42 |
| Sosumi | hasn't made any comment in bringing office into the xbox | Mar 02 18:42 |
| Sosumi | and turn the console into a general computer | Mar 02 18:43 |
| Sosumi | of which it already is | Mar 02 18:43 |
| Sosumi | in a crippled apple fashion | Mar 02 18:43 |
| Sosumi | but since they're now interested in hardware and angering their partners | Mar 02 18:44 |
| Sosumi | what about more than competing with everyone on the low end | Mar 02 18:44 |
| Sosumi | which would in turn make manufactuerers offer direct support for gnu/linux | Mar 02 18:45 |
| Sosumi | on consumer grade hardware | Mar 02 18:45 |
| Sosumi | even if just ubuntu | Mar 02 18:45 |
| Sosumi | also | Mar 02 18:57 |
| Sosumi | I'm yet to see a xbone on sale here in pt | Mar 02 18:58 |
| Sosumi | all I see around at the major stores are ps4 | Mar 02 18:58 |
| Sosumi | not even xbox 360 are around anymore | Mar 02 18:59 |
| Sosumi | not even leftovers from previous packs | Mar 02 18:59 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:39] <MinceR> btw you still haven't provided any references on how russia isn't attacking gays | Mar 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:29] <MinceR> msb: you realize that the current russian government explicitly hates gays, right? | Mar 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:29] <msb> MinceR: Bullshit! I can give you plenty of references for this. Roy even reposted them. | Mar 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz__ | I was never shown any such references by anyone | Mar 02 19:04 |
| MinceR | neither was i | Mar 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz__ | And from what I can gather, Russia goes Rambo on gay rights activists | Mar 02 19:05 |
| schestowitz__ | not sure if "anti-gay", but those who openly promote equality for gays are equated with domestic enemies | Mar 02 19:05 |
| MinceR | i've heard plenty of bullshit from the russian government on "gay propaganda" as if that was a thing | Mar 02 19:05 |
| schestowitz__ | there is such a thing | Mar 02 19:05 |
| schestowitz__ | "gay propaganda" | Mar 02 19:05 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't oppose the term in its own right | Mar 02 19:06 |
| schestowitz__ | but their actions against it | Mar 02 19:06 |
| schestowitz__ | There is also "FOSS propaganda", "US propaganda", "communist propaganda" | Mar 02 19:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I won't be beaten in the streets for promoting Nazism, anarchy, etc. | Mar 02 19:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I might get harassed by police if the public complains, Public Disturbance order or whatever it's now called | Mar 02 19:07 |
| msb | I was referring to "the "neo"-Nazis that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc. They are actual Nazis." | Mar 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia is nasty | Mar 02 19:07 |
| msb | Not to Russian attitude toward gays. | Mar 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz__ | i am reading all the conversation ATM | Mar 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz__ | I find it interesting | Mar 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia is nasty too | Mar 02 19:08 |
| schestowitz__ | And to say Stalin went after Jews overlooks the fact he used Israel thinking it would help spread communism | Mar 02 19:08 |
| msb | But has not murdered 2,000,000 since 2001. | Mar 02 19:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Like funnelling weapons (I think from Czechoslovakia) to help the revolution | Mar 02 19:08 |
| schestowitz__ | but later he felt betrayed because today's NATO members were embraced as allies | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia is very nasty | Mar 02 19:09 |
| msb | Help murder Palestinians. | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | based on my friends who are Russians | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Many left Russia and don't have much positive to say | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | msb: | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | !google ukraine russia killed millions | Mar 02 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Ukrainian 'Holodomor' (man-made famine) Facts and History | http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html | Mar 02 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Holodomor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor | Mar 02 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Soviet famine of 1932–33 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%25E2%2580%259333 | Mar 02 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Stalin's Forced Famine - The History Place | http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm | Mar 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia, IIRC, can be held responsible for the deaths of tens of millions, and China too | Mar 02 19:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Not just directly from wars | Mar 02 19:10 |
| schestowitz__ | But bad policies, cleansing, genocides | Mar 02 19:10 |
| msb | Yes, but _now_ Russia is the only counter to US fascism/mass-murder, which is the worst thing going on in the world. | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | The West is focused on teaching consequences of WW2 (for political reasons), but there's lots to be learned about WW2 in the far east | Mar 02 19:11 |
| MinceR | counter fascism and mass murder with more fascism and mass murder? | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | and the Korea wars and later Turf wars in the early days of the Cold War | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | msb: oppose both | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | help Ukraine | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | or Hungary | Mar 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | hungary used to be with Austria | Mar 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Now it's seemingly with the USSR block, still | Mar 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz__ | And EU can grab it into more civilised turf | Mar 02 19:12 |
| msb | The US just sent nazis to conquer Ukraine. | Mar 02 19:12 |
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| MinceR | with the antidemocratic turn and paks 2, they're certainly going back to ussr | Mar 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz__ | and offer better jobs, etc. by migration | Mar 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz__ | No, the US funded "useful idiots" | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | It wants nuclear buffer | Mar 02 19:13 |
| msb | Armed nazis with machine guns. | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | The Nazis were always there | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | and armed | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | their descendants come from Nazi era | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | The US just awoken a giant | Mar 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia has some nazi sympathisers too | Mar 02 19:14 |
| msb | But US recently promised to support them in a takeover. That's why they did it. | Mar 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz__ | more so than in the UK | Mar 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz__ | US promised it? | Mar 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Show the reports, I must have missed such a thing | Mar 02 19:14 |
| msb | Roy, did you read those articles from CRG that you reposted? | Mar 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz__ | ORG writes about privacy | Mar 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Oh, CRG | Mar 02 19:14 |
| msb | yes, you reposted their URLs, I'm not sure where | Mar 02 19:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Yes, depending on who's writing, the "rebels" are mostly denounced | Mar 02 19:15 |
| schestowitz__ | It's said to be tied with some Russian interests because it's against Western globalisation | Mar 02 19:15 |
| schestowitz__ | I posted that here and in techrights | Mar 02 19:16 |
| msb | What is tied with Russian interests? | Mar 02 19:16 |
| msb | "Despite these ominous signs, Ambassador Pyatt hailed the coup as “a day for the history books.” Most of the mainstream U.S. news media also sided with the coup, with commentators praising the overthrow of an elected government as “reform.” But a few dissonant reports have pierced the happy talk by noting that the armed militias are part of the Pravy Sektor, a right-wing nationalist group which is often compared to the Nazis." | Mar 02 19:21 |
| msb | http://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/23/neocons-and-the-ukraine-coup/ | Mar 02 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consortiumnews.com | Neocons and the Ukraine Coup | Consortiumnews [ http://ur1.ca/gpjzk ] | Mar 02 19:21 | |
| msb | Ukraine and the “Politics of Anti-Semitism”: The West Upholds Neo-Nazi Repression of Ukraine’s Jewish Community | Mar 02 19:23 |
| msb | http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-and-the-politics-of-anti-semitism-west-upholds-neo-nazi-repression-of-ukraines-jewish-community/5370790 | Mar 02 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Ukraine and the “Politics of Anti-Semitism”: The West Upholds Neo-Nazi Repression of Ukraine’s Jewish Community | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gpjys ] | Mar 02 19:23 | |
| msb | schestowitz__: What is tied with Russian interests? | Mar 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Some of the writings in the site, not necessarily those of the above authors | Mar 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz__ | I notice that Assange no longer makes his relations with the Russian government notices | Mar 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz__ | *noticed | Mar 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz__ | which is good | Mar 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz__ | he made himself an easy target | Mar 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union | Mar 02 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqgkb ] | Mar 02 19:37 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Mar 02 19:38 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/us-official-claims-6000-russian-troops-complete-control-crimea-crisis-map-update | Mar 02 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | US Official Claims 6,000 Russian Troops In Complete Control Of Crimea - Crisis Map Update | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gqh6t ] | Mar 02 21:36 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 02 22:48 |
| schestowitz__ | now they know how Russia feels when the US invades nations | Mar 02 23:54 |
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| msb | The New Economic Policy -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/EconPolicyV1.0.html | Mar 03 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Economic Policy (v.1.0) [ http://ur1.ca/gqlfl ] | Mar 03 05:18 | |
| msb | Suggestions welcome! | Mar 03 05:19 |
| msb | This is good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBmAkAO7j8c | Mar 03 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Anonymous Ukraine - Message 2014 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqlfq ] | Mar 03 05:19 | |
| msb | Sound like a voice synthesizer may have been used. | Mar 03 05:20 |
| msb | But a very good one. | Mar 03 05:20 |
| msb | "You shall hear from me again!" -- Fu Manchu | Mar 03 05:21 |
| msb | Transcript here (but video not downloadable as it is on the youtube page): http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/167455/Anonymous_Ukraine__Message_2014/ | Mar 03 05:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.disclose.tv | Anonymous Ukraine - Message 2014 [Video] [ http://ur1.ca/gqlg8 ] | Mar 03 05:22 | |
| msb | Lots of good stuff about Ukraine, Soros, Rothschilds, etc. here: http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/profiles/blog/list | Mar 03 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fightingforliberty.ning.com | Blogs - Fighting for Liberty [ http://ur1.ca/gqlkq ] | Mar 03 05:49 | |
| msb | Down the left-hand side. | Mar 03 05:49 |
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| MinceR | now they know how russia feels when the us annexes nations? :> | Mar 03 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Sorry about that. It's not like I get much control over what the government does. | Mar 03 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | I can nudge it between right-wing and extremely right-wing. | Mar 03 07:00 |
| MinceR | i was commenting on schestowitz__'s comment :> | Mar 03 07:01 |
| MinceR | http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/461770/Expert-likens-possible-Putin-action-on-Ukraine-to-Hitler-s-1938-move-on-Czechoslovakia | Mar 03 07:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.express.co.uk | Expert likens possible Putin action on Ukraine to Hitler's 1938 move on Czechoslovakia | World | News | Daily Express [ http://ur1.ca/gqlz8 ] | Mar 03 07:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Alpha Release | Mar 03 07:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux for Seniors 101 | Tux Machines | Mar 03 07:31 | |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: 005437 < schestowitz__> now they know how Russia feels when the US invades nations | Mar 03 07:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Alpha Release | Tux Machines | Mar 03 07:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cisco open sources corporate firewall software | Tux Machines | Mar 03 07:32 | |
| msb | Clever propaganda operation of _The Express_ to liken a possible Russian move to counter the nazi putsch in Ukraine to the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia. No mention that the goons who seized power from a duly elected government in Ukraine are themselves nazis! | Mar 03 07:36 |
| msb | But every alternative news site on the Web that I've seen does make it clear that it's a nazi takeover backed by the US and EU. | Mar 03 07:37 |
| gde33 | is the gas still flowing? | Mar 03 07:39 |
| gde33 | the facinating bit in this picture http://www.gazpromexport.ru/en/statistics/ is that germany can produce more than enough bio gas for entire europe | Mar 03 07:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gazpromexport.ru | Gazprom Export [ http://ur1.ca/gqmaq ] | Mar 03 07:49 | |
| gde33 | the bio gas is better than the russian gas | Mar 03 07:49 |
| gde33 | currently it mostly burned to make electricity | Mar 03 07:50 |
| gde33 | in inefficent ways | Mar 03 07:50 |
| gde33 | retooling for life after gazprom wont take long | Mar 03 07:50 |
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| DaemonFC | The fracking companies promised us that if we let them operate, that we'd be enjoying a manufacturing comeback and that the price to heat your home would be at record lows. | Mar 03 07:53 |
| DaemonFC | Instead, they exported all the gas, it created no jobs, and the price to heat our homes continues to rise. | Mar 03 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 03 07:54 |
| gde33 | just no more drinking water | Mar 03 07:54 |
| gde33 | I think the economics tricksters are using old books where industry is suggested to have value for a country | Mar 03 07:54 |
| gde33 | this while there is no evidence of that :P | Mar 03 07:55 |
| gde33 | The israelies have the right business model for their country, just get free money and goods from someone else, no questions asked :D | Mar 03 07:56 |
| gde33 | tell them to go fuck themselves afterwards | Mar 03 07:56 |
| gde33 | someone added up all the aid, military, ecconomic, financial etc, he came at something like 50 k per citizen | Mar 03 07:57 |
| gde33 | not entirely realistic of course | Mar 03 07:57 |
| gde33 | imagine how rich americans would be if they divided their military budget over the citizens | Mar 03 07:57 |
| gde33 | woah! | Mar 03 07:57 |
| gde33 | how much is 50 * 500 bilion divided by 300 million? | Mar 03 08:00 |
| gde33 | something like 83 000, not even that much | Mar 03 08:01 |
| gde33 | kinda disapointing lol | Mar 03 08:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Buffalo Intros Open Source DD-WRT Wireless | Mar 03 08:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Routers http://t.co/VpkVR5U9lh | Mar 03 08:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Buffalo Intros Open Source DD-WRT Wireless Routers | Tux Machines | Mar 03 08:14 | |
| DaemonFC | We should sell those A-10 Thunderbolt IIs that the Pentagon wants to scrap to Ukraine. | Mar 03 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | They'd make short work of the Russian occupation force. | Mar 03 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_rvt_np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx2AVIMTCZH3PML#CustomerDiscussionsNew | Mar 03 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Indiana House Republicans pass a bill that would kill an effective energy efficiency program, increase electricity rates, require more power plants to be built, and increase greenhouse gas emissions. [ http://ur1.ca/gqmrn ] | Mar 03 08:52 | |
| MinceR | a few things our anti-democracy activist forgot to mention in his propaganda >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanukovich#Impeachment_and_vote_to_remove | Mar 03 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Viktor Yanukovych - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqmuw ] | Mar 03 09:10 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Mar 03 09:14 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx2QTWGM6LTYZ4H | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: ALDI pays its store associates on day one of their employment what the average Walmart worker will take six years to earn. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndp ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.msnbc.com/the-ed-show/leaked-document-shows-what-walmart-really-pay | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | According to leaked documents, Walmart starts out at about $8 an hour, and most of their employees are only scheduled to work part time so they can't get any health insurance or other benefits. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | A woman in this story says that she can't earn more than $14,000 a year at Walmart and that her kids rely on medicaid, food stamps, subsidized housing, and free school lunches so that they can make ends meet. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msnbc.com | Leaked document shows what Walmart really pays its workers | MSNBC [ http://ur1.ca/gqndt ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/27/politics/27walmart.html | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | In 2006, Walmart's former CEO, H. Lee Scott, bragged that Walmart was managing to dump most of their workers onto Medicaid. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart employees top the Medicaid list in every state, except for DC, where there aren't any Walmart stores yet. When they build the proposed stores, Walmart employees will top the Medicaid list in DC as well. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/gqndw ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/local/kalamazoo/2014/02/24/ald-jobs-employment/5772895/ | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | This newspaper article says that ALDI, a discount grocer that will reduce your grocery bill 15-20% below what you can expect to spend at Walmart, is starting out its lowest paid employees at $10.50 an hour. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wzzm13.com | Aldi holds hiring event in Portage [ http://ur1.ca/gqndx ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | ALDI offers health insurance to employees who work as little as 20 hours a week. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | ALDI also has a dental, vision, and 401(k) plan that Walmart employees don't have. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.producenews.com/index.php/news-dep-menu/test-featured/11972-aldi-plans-to-open-650-new-stores | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.producenews.com | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores - The Produce News - Covering fresh produce around the globe since 1897. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndy ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores in the United States in 2014, creating good jobs that pay the bills without dumping most of their employees on government welfare, Walmart-style. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cnbc.com/id/101380735 | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Time to close Wal-Mart stores? Analysts think so | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Walmart's profits for last quarter were down over 20%, and CNBC is reporting that they should start closing stores, beginning with the 100 least profitable. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/02/could-wal-mart-be-the-next-giant-failure-in-retail.aspx | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | The Motley Fool suspects that Walmart could be going down the KMart path. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Could Wal-Mart Be the Next Giant Failure in Retail? (WMT) [ http://ur1.ca/gq67o ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is rapidly becoming relevant to today's tech-savvy shoppers, who know that they can get better deals elsewhere, and lose their grocery business to highly respectable companies like ALDI. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/04/06/why-wal-mart-needs-more-workers.aspx | Mar 03 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Why Wal-Mart Needs More Workers (WMT) [ http://ur1.ca/gqne0 ] | Mar 03 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Over the last few years, even as Walmart has been opening new stores, they have reduced their workforce by over 120,000 employees, causing a drag on job creation. | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | oops | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | meant to say "irrelevant" | Mar 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | and 650 over the next 5 years | Mar 03 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | man, I messed that up a bit | Mar 03 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | still.... | Mar 03 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | They're growing rapidly and killing Walmart. | Mar 03 10:38 |
| Sosumi | ow's the state of 4k on gnu linux? | Mar 03 11:11 |
| Sosumi | even through it is still kind of premature to get a 4k display | Mar 03 11:12 |
| Sosumi | as there aren't any compelling 4096x21600 displays | Mar 03 11:13 |
| Sosumi | *2160 | Mar 03 11:13 |
| Sosumi | but as my second display is filled with burns from displaying static images all the time | Mar 03 11:15 |
| Sosumi | as is now showing 2 dead pixels | Mar 03 11:15 |
| Sosumi | I may thinking in replace my dual 1920x1200 24 inches by a single 4k monitor | Mar 03 11:16 |
| Sosumi | *be | Mar 03 11:16 |
| Sosumi | a nice 32 inches model would probably be enough | Mar 03 11:17 |
| Sosumi | also from what I've seen | Mar 03 11:17 |
| Sosumi | the 16:10 ratio is kind of out of the window | Mar 03 11:17 |
| Sosumi | the other way | Mar 03 11:21 |
| Sosumi | well | Mar 03 11:21 |
| Sosumi | would be getting another 24 inches | Mar 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Mar 03 11:21 |
| Sosumi | and playing some games in eyefinity mode | Mar 03 11:21 |
| Sosumi | no, she said if those were crt displays | Mar 03 11:22 |
| Sosumi | and I got 3 | Mar 03 11:22 |
| Sosumi | I'd no longer need to go to the beach to sunbath | Mar 03 11:22 |
| Sosumi | the radiation emanating from the tube would take care of that | Mar 03 11:23 |
| Sosumi | although that was only typical on the old "green" crt | Mar 03 11:23 |
| MinceR | wouldn't work | Mar 03 11:24 |
| MinceR | CRTs were said to emit X-rays, not UV | Mar 03 11:24 |
| Sosumi | ok | Mar 03 11:24 |
| Sosumi | 180º degrees xray | Mar 03 11:24 |
| Sosumi | the ideal display would be a nice curved monitor with no bezels | Mar 03 11:27 |
| Sosumi | with an equivalent of a 3 1920x1200 monitors | Mar 03 11:27 |
| Sosumi | for me and given at the distance I sit from the displays, 30 kind of seems too much | Mar 03 11:28 |
| Sosumi | I did try it once | Mar 03 11:28 |
| Sosumi | but with a 32 inches tv | Mar 03 11:28 |
| Sosumi | just to get the perspective | Mar 03 11:28 |
| Sosumi | and I ended up moving my head way more than just working | Mar 03 11:29 |
| Sosumi | up, down, down up, left, up, now left again | Mar 03 11:29 |
| Sosumi | when the additional 24 falls in my peripherical vision | Mar 03 11:30 |
| Sosumi | too bad that I just can't nab someone else's 24 inches display just test a triple head setup | Mar 03 11:32 |
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| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HN3yZVKP9g | Mar 03 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Revolution in Ukraine: Dispatch from the Presidential Palace - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqo0m ] | Mar 03 11:47 | |
| msb | Comments: No mention of the Nazis? // Stay butthurt commie kike. // Thanks for proving my point | Mar 03 12:06 |
| msb | No mention of masked nazis in the streets with machine guns doing the armed takeover from an elected government. | Mar 03 12:07 |
| Sosumi | I wander where they got the arms | Mar 03 12:07 |
| Sosumi | did they assault an army depot | Mar 03 12:07 |
| Sosumi | or did they get shipped from poland | Mar 03 12:07 |
| MinceR | afaik part of the armed forces switched sides | Mar 03 12:07 |
| Sosumi | yes | Mar 03 12:08 |
| Sosumi | but those are not the armed forces | Mar 03 12:08 |
| Sosumi | but what appears heavily armed civs | Mar 03 12:08 |
| MinceR | well, they might have distributed stockpiles | Mar 03 12:08 |
| msb | Yanukovych did not build that palace with stolen money. It was already there. He moved into it when he was elected. Just like Obomber didn't build the Whitehouse. | Mar 03 12:11 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Mar 03 12:11 |
| Sosumi | ofc the anglo-american propaganda machine is going to use everything to legitimize the euromaiden or whatever they are called | Mar 03 12:14 |
| Sosumi | because it fits their agenda | Mar 03 12:14 |
| Sosumi | to support descendants of nazi collaborators | Mar 03 12:14 |
| msb | "Viktor Yanukovych was elected President in 2010 with 48% of votes." -- Wiki MinceR: do you think he built that palace in 3-4 years? | Mar 03 12:14 |
| Sosumi | and the petty fools supporting them | Mar 03 12:14 |
| msb | Yes, the nazis were/are backed by the US and EU. | Mar 03 12:15 |
| Sosumi | I remember the shicklegruber guy | Mar 03 12:15 |
| Sosumi | being twice Time Magazine person of the year | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | and being heavily supported by Prescot Bush | Mar 03 12:16 |
| msb | The EU will inflict austerity upon the Ukrainians when they join the EU, sucking them dry to feed the banksters. | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | and the Ford Motor Company along others | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | yep | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | in fact | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | the ukraine joining the EU agreement | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | was a big no | Mar 03 12:16 |
| MinceR | msb: the protester says he had it built in that period | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | from the get go | Mar 03 12:16 |
| Sosumi | what the Eurogarchs had in mind was to transform ukraine into a dumping ground | Mar 03 12:17 |
| Sosumi | basically your little china in the middle of europe | Mar 03 12:17 |
| Sosumi | the EU ascension was never on the paper | Mar 03 12:17 |
| MinceR | i doubt that ukraine would start paying the EU more than what it would get from the EU | Mar 03 12:17 |
| msb | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis American Businessmen Financed Hitler | Mar 03 12:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Mar 03 12:18 | |
| msb | The Ukraine nazis are also backed by George Soros. | Mar 03 12:19 |
| Sosumi | also hitler was put in power to be a destabilization for russia | Mar 03 12:19 |
| MinceR | also hitler was in part inspired by marxism | Mar 03 12:19 |
| Sosumi | as russia at the time having lost the russo-japanese war and after that suffering the bolchevik revolution | Mar 03 12:19 |
| Sosumi | also sponsored by london | Mar 03 12:20 |
| Sosumi | was on the tilt of braking up | Mar 03 12:20 |
| Sosumi | too bad that hitler turned west, right? | Mar 03 12:20 |
| Sosumi | and took france, the sudated german land and so on | Mar 03 12:21 |
| msb | Yes. Hitler's job was to kill all the communists, socialists, social democrats, and trade unionists, all of whom were empowering workers and reducing profits of wealthy capitalist owners. That's why the capitalists supported Hitler. | Mar 03 12:21 |
| MinceR | that's an interesting concept of 'empowering workers' | Mar 03 12:22 |
| Sosumi | a very deranged face of capitalism... | Mar 03 12:22 |
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| MinceR | i suspect msb wouldn't be trying so hard to prop putin up if he was forced to live under "socialism" for a while | Mar 03 12:22 |
| msb | It's an inevitable result of capitalism, since the wealthy get control of the govt. | Mar 03 12:22 |
| MinceR | and dictators get control of all the wealth | Mar 03 12:23 |
| msb | MinceR: You have not yet come up with a way to prevent capitalism from turning into corporatism/fascism as wealthy psychopaths control the govt and use it to increase their profits. | Mar 03 12:24 |
| MinceR | also, i'm guessing yanukovych's loot must be under msb's suggested wealth limit :> | Mar 03 12:24 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZeFDe44Ddo | Mar 03 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Canyonero - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqo9q ] | Mar 03 12:24 | |
| MinceR | msb: you have not yet come up with a way to prevent communism/socialism from turning into corporatism/fascism as the dictator takes over the entire government, appropriates most or all property in the state effectively as their own, and use it to increase their profits. | Mar 03 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | Someone tried to sell me a Ford Explorer. | Mar 03 12:25 |
| msb | MinceR: Where's your proof that yanukovych has any "loot"? | Mar 03 12:25 |
| MinceR | the video linked above, for example. | Mar 03 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | I asked them what kind of gas mileage it got. He said "About 8 mpg in the city, 12 on the highway.". | Mar 03 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | Who could afford to drive that? | Mar 03 12:26 |
| msb | MinceR: Do you think Obomber owns the Whitehouse? | Mar 03 12:26 |
| MinceR | msb: do i think the usa is socialist? no. | Mar 03 12:26 |
| MinceR | msb: do i think obomber is a dictator? no, he's a figurehead. | Mar 03 12:27 |
| msb | MinceR: You can't answer simple questions, but have to lie to protect your fascist beliefs. | Mar 03 12:27 |
| MinceR | msb: no you | Mar 03 12:28 |
| msb | Elected presidents don't own the presidential residences they live in. | Mar 03 12:28 |
| msb | Ford makes a hybrid SUV that gets about 32mpg. An owner of one told me. | Mar 03 12:28 |
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| MinceR | msb: you're the fascist here, you're the one who props up the fascist dictator puppet of another fascist dictator | Mar 03 12:30 |
| msb | There is no dictator in democratic socialism or social democracy. | Mar 03 12:30 |
| MinceR | yeah, there's no dictator in "people's democratic republics", right? | Mar 03 12:30 |
| MinceR | because they've said all the words | Mar 03 12:30 |
| MinceR | who cares what happens if you can't see beyond the symbols | Mar 03 12:30 |
| msb | MinceR: Nicaragua and Vietnam elected their socialist governments. | Mar 03 12:30 |
| MinceR | we were discussing ukraine and russia, not nicaragua or vietnam | Mar 03 12:31 |
| msb | The Scandinavian countries elect their social democrat govts. | Mar 03 12:31 |
| MinceR | and vietnam "elected" their governments from a single choice | Mar 03 12:31 |
| MinceR | like communist hungary did | Mar 03 12:31 |
| MinceR | (the only candidate was the "patriotic people's fromt" candidate) | Mar 03 12:31 |
| MinceR | s/mt/nt/ | Mar 03 12:32 |
| msb | MinceR: Yes, you must not admit that democratic socialism exists anywhere in the world. That is the fascist view. Hitler's view. | Mar 03 12:32 |
| MinceR | msb: yes, you must not admit that vietnam and north korea are dictatorships. that is the fascist view. hitler's and stalin's view. | Mar 03 12:32 |
| msb | Eisenhower said 80% of Vietnamese -- North plus South -- would have voted to unite under Ho Chi Minh if the US had not prevented the election. | Mar 03 12:33 |
| MinceR | "The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world's four remaining single-party socialist states officially espousing communism. Its current state constitution, which replaced the 1975 constitution in April 1992, asserts the central role of the Communist Party of Vietnam in all organs of government, politics and society." | Mar 03 12:34 |
| MinceR | this is what msb calls "democracy". | Mar 03 12:34 |
| Sosumi | https://i.4cdn.org/gif/src/1393763813654.gif | Mar 03 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | msb: They weren't worried about gas mileage in the 90s. | Mar 03 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | When my car was made, gas was about $1.10 a gallon on a bad day. :P | Mar 03 12:34 |
| msb | North Korea is a horrible dictatorship. Vietnam is not. | Mar 03 12:35 |
| MinceR | it might be less horrible than north korea, but it's still a dictatorship | Mar 03 12:35 |
| MinceR | so long as the constitution locks a single party into all leadership roles, it will remain a dictatorship. | Mar 03 12:36 |
| msb | The US is a dictatorship -- ruled by the wealthy. | Mar 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | russia is a dictatorship, ruled by putin and his cronies. | Mar 03 12:36 |
| MinceR | (who are wealthy, of course) | Mar 03 12:36 |
| msb | Who were elected. | Mar 03 12:37 |
| MinceR | just like hitler. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| MinceR | and all the communist/socialist dictators who care to hold sham elections | Mar 03 12:38 |
| MinceR | like in communist hungary, like in north korea and in vietnam. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| msb | US elections are sham. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| MinceR | and in red china. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| MinceR | no they're not, it's just that most of the voters are idiots. | Mar 03 12:39 |
| msb | MinceR: you project Hungary onto the entire world. | Mar 03 12:39 |
| MinceR | in the us, there _are_ multiple candidates on the ballot | Mar 03 12:39 |
| MinceR | in north korea, communist hungary, vietnam, etc. there are only state party candidates on the ballot. | Mar 03 12:39 |
| MinceR | msb: no, the entire eastern bloc was managed the same way | Mar 03 12:39 |
| msb | No, MinceR, the voters are lied to by the corporate media, so they don't know that the minority candidates would be much better for them than the Demoblicans. | Mar 03 12:40 |
| MinceR | msb: in fact, hungary was managed with a relatively light hand most of the time, afaik. ("happiest barrack") | Mar 03 12:40 |
| MinceR | msb: the voters have access to non-corporate media, if they cared, they could find out what's up. | Mar 03 12:40 |
| MinceR | msb: in the regimes you like to prop up, there's usually no access to non-government media or a free internet. | Mar 03 12:40 |
| msb | MinceR: No, they don't know to look on the Web for news. | Mar 03 12:41 |
| MinceR | msb: also, dissenters tend to be deported or executed. | Mar 03 12:41 |
| msb | In social-democrat Scandinavia? | Mar 03 12:41 |
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| MinceR | in the usa, dissent tends to be protected as free speech | Mar 03 12:41 |
| MinceR | scandinavia is not socialist. | Mar 03 12:41 |
| msb | It's social-democrat. High taxation, long vacations, govt healthcare, ratio of max/min salaries = 8 or so. | Mar 03 12:42 |
| MinceR | and yet you prop up some of the darkest dictatorships | Mar 03 12:44 |
| msb | Sham democracy in the US with the voters lied to by the corporate media is no better than one-party state, and may be worse depending on policies. There are Usians starving in the streets, and people are forbidden to feed them in parks. | Mar 03 12:44 |
| MinceR | actually, it is better than the one-party state | Mar 03 12:44 |
| MinceR | it takes a lot less to fix it | Mar 03 12:44 |
| msb | But it never gets fixed. | Mar 03 12:44 |
| MinceR | that we can't know, as not all of time has passed yet | Mar 03 12:45 |
| msb | I support Russia only because it is countering the US which has murdered millions since 2001. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| msb | Russia has not. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| MinceR | so you support russia vs us just like the people you look down on support republicans vs democrats or the other way around | Mar 03 12:46 |
| msb | The old "just like" lying propaganda technique. | Mar 03 12:47 |
| MinceR | i wonder how many people russia has murdered in georgia | Mar 03 12:47 |
| msb | You can put any words you want in a person's mouth using that technique. | Mar 03 12:47 |
| MinceR | yet you have no qualms about putting words in other people's mouth | Mar 03 12:47 |
| MinceR | apparently you consider yourself special, above the rules | Mar 03 12:48 |
| MinceR | you dream yourself in the position of a dictator one day, so you can't bring yourself to view them critically. | Mar 03 12:48 |
| MinceR | and everyone who has a different opinion from you must be a "fascist" and a "nazi" | Mar 03 12:49 |
| msb | MinceR: Hopefully the other people here know you are totally lying when you say things like that. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| MinceR | msb: hopefully the other people here know you're lying all the time. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| msb | No, people who support nazis, like the ones who took over Ukraine are fascists. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| MinceR | and people who support dictators are saints, apparently. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| msb | People who purposely confuse "authoritarian" and "fascist" concepts, do it to prevent communication. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| MinceR | which of those two is holy? | Mar 03 12:51 |
| msb | Neither is. But democratic socialism and social democracy are not authoritarian. | Mar 03 12:52 |
| MinceR | depends on how you define those | Mar 03 12:52 |
| MinceR | you seem to be flipping between "democratic socialism" as in Scandinavia and as in the eastern bloc | Mar 03 12:52 |
| MinceR | as if those had anything in common at all. | Mar 03 12:52 |
| MinceR | maybe from a republican's viewpoint they're the same -- "hurrrr soshulizm" | Mar 03 12:53 |
| MinceR | but from mine they're very far apart | Mar 03 12:53 |
| msb | MinceR: you are lying again, or at least mistaken. Scandinavia has social democracy -- high-order welfare state and strongly regulated capitalism -- not socialism. | Mar 03 12:54 |
| MinceR | msb: you're trying to confuse those things, not me | Mar 03 12:54 |
| msb | "<MinceR> you seem to be flipping between "democratic socialism" as in Scandinavia and as in the eastern bloc" | Mar 03 12:55 |
| msb | 3 minutes ago | Mar 03 12:55 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 03 12:55 |
| MinceR | you've proclaimed that vietnam is democratic and socialist | Mar 03 12:55 |
| msb | MinceR: you are lying again, or at least mistaken. Scandinavia has social democracy -- high-order welfare state and strongly regulated capitalism -- not socialism. | Mar 03 12:56 |
| MinceR | you know what, you can keep your ad hominems to yourself. | Mar 03 12:56 |
| MinceR | i'm tired of your bullshit. | Mar 03 12:56 |
| msb | Then stop lying and using lying propaganda techniques. | Mar 03 12:56 |
| MinceR | no u | Mar 03 12:57 |
| MinceR | http://img2.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/украина-россия-ссср-хороший-конец-1101892.gif | Mar 03 12:57 |
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| msb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war#Humanitarian_impact_and_war_crimes Apparently a few thousand were killed. | Mar 03 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russo-Georgian war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqojq ] | Mar 03 13:05 | |
| msb | "<MinceR> i wonder how many people russia has murdered in georgia" | Mar 03 13:07 |
| MinceR | stop highlighting me. | Mar 03 13:07 |
| msb | But Georgia started that war by attacking South Ossetia. | Mar 03 13:08 |
| msb | MinceR: I'm just quoting you. All your lines mentioning "msb" come out in red for me. I think the IRC clients are doing it. | Mar 03 13:09 |
| msb | My client is KDE4 konversation. What is yours? | Mar 03 13:09 |
| msb | MinceR: My IRC client is KDE4 konversation. What is yours? | Mar 03 13:11 |
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| DaemonFC | msb: I still think we should sell Ukraine some A-10s and let them chase the Russians out with those. :) | Mar 03 15:13 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't be enough | Mar 03 15:14 |
| MinceR | also, he doesn't want ukraine to chase the russians out | Mar 03 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: According to Wikipedia, Ukraine doesn't spend very much on its military. | Mar 03 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | Russia has been next door, spending billions on modernizing their own. | Mar 03 15:16 |
| MinceR | a bunch of attack planes wouldn't change that | Mar 03 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Perhaps it was a bad idea to limit the military to 1.1% of GDP when you're next door to a hostile foreign country that is known to invade its neighbors and take whatever they want. | Mar 03 15:17 |
| MinceR | perhaps they were forced to do so | Mar 03 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | Yanukovich probably didn't care about crippling the military. | Mar 03 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | He's been in cahoots with Putin from the beginning. | Mar 03 15:18 |
| msb | DaemonFC: Do you also, like MinceR, prefer the nazis that took control of Ukraine, instead of the elected govt that was allied with Russia? | Mar 03 16:04 |
| msb | The US always backs the worst dictators it can find for a country, because they keep workers from getting rights, which would reduce the profits of wealthy employers -- capitalists. | Mar 03 16:06 |
| MinceR | as opposed to the propaganda to putin's, stalin's and mao's biggest fan here, the current government of ukraine isn't dominated by far right wingers. | Mar 03 16:07 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_ministers_of_ukraine#Cabinet | Mar 03 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cabinet of Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqpq3 ] | Mar 03 16:07 | |
| msb | MinceR is lying again. I am no fan of Stalin or Mao. | Mar 03 16:08 |
| MinceR | s/a to/a of/ | Mar 03 16:08 |
| MinceR | msb is continually lying. | Mar 03 16:08 |
| MinceR | msb falls for all the propaganda tricks of communist/socialist dictatorships | Mar 03 16:08 |
| MinceR | to msb, an election where there's only one option, is a free election. | Mar 03 16:09 |
| *MinceR thinks msb should move to his beloved Cuba and thus fall off the internet. | Mar 03 16:09 | |
| MinceR | (he doesn't believe in freedom of speech or democracy, after all) | Mar 03 16:10 |
| msb | MinceR is lying again. I have never said, here or anywhere else, that I favor Stalin or Mao. | Mar 03 16:10 |
| MinceR | just their policies and tricks. | Mar 03 16:10 |
| MinceR | north korea is another good option for msb | Mar 03 16:10 |
| MinceR | though he'd probably have to get used to the flavor of tree bark | Mar 03 16:11 |
| MinceR | as his beloved "economic" "system" can not produce anything closer to food to the civilians there. | Mar 03 16:11 |
| msb | MinceR cannot say anything about me but lies. | Mar 03 16:11 |
| MinceR | msb cannot say anything about anything but lies. | Mar 03 16:12 |
| msb | As to Cuba, people there are much better off than they were under the murdering torturing Batista, despite the US embargo, and the restrictions of the government. | Mar 03 16:13 |
| msb | Those restrictions were put in place because of the many attacks against Cuba by the US. | Mar 03 16:13 |
| MinceR | more communist lies and propaganda from msb | Mar 03 16:14 |
| MinceR | and still he can't make the case that people could be as well off in a communist dictatorship as in any relatively democratic country with a relatively free market. | Mar 03 16:14 |
| msb | The US did the Bay of Pigs attack, and rained down swine flu and thrips insect pests upon Cuba, and financed fascist opposition. | Mar 03 16:15 |
| MinceR | msb's beloved russia did the holodomor | Mar 03 16:16 |
| MinceR | msb's beloved red china did the "great leap forward" | Mar 03 16:16 |
| msb | Batista was not democratic at all. Cuba was called "The Whorehouse of the Caribbean" under him. Women were slaves. | Mar 03 16:16 |
| MinceR | and the "cultural revolution" | Mar 03 16:17 |
| msb | Again MinceR is lying. I just said that I never have favored Stalin or Mao. | Mar 03 16:18 |
| MinceR | only their policies and their successors | Mar 03 16:18 |
| MinceR | like kgb boss putin | Mar 03 16:18 |
| MinceR | and their acts and their political systems | Mar 03 16:18 |
| msb | Putin is far less restrictive than Stalin. | Mar 03 16:18 |
| MinceR | which is saying a lot, because... | Mar 03 16:19 |
| MinceR | (he still locked up pussy riot, though) | Mar 03 16:19 |
| msb | Yes, that was very bad, and made him look ridiculous to the world. Scared of Pussy! Fortunately they have now been released. | Mar 03 16:20 |
| MinceR | which indicates only that he realized that it made him look bad. | Mar 03 16:21 |
| msb | But they are alive and unharmed. | Mar 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | so they should count their blessings? | Mar 03 16:21 |
| msb | Perhaps. | Mar 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | because it would have been right for msb's favorite Saint Putin to torture them to death? | Mar 03 16:21 |
| msb | At least they got their message out to the world, ironically thanks to Putin. | Mar 03 16:22 |
| MinceR | but it's all right because they quote marxist bullshit instead of hitler's bullshit | Mar 03 16:22 |
| MinceR | what a difference. | Mar 03 16:22 |
| msb | MinceR: is lying again: "<MinceR> because it would have been right for msb's favorite Saint Putin to torture them to death?" | Mar 03 16:23 |
| MinceR | communism is to economy what scientology is to psychology. | Mar 03 16:23 |
| msb | Marxism is not bullshit. Working people should get most of the profit of the businesses they work in, instead of most of it going to the wealthy owners. | Mar 03 16:24 |
| MinceR | marxism led dozens of economies into bankruptcy and millions of people into suffering. | Mar 03 16:24 |
| msb | That's done in some businesses in the US, which are called co-ops. | Mar 03 16:24 |
| MinceR | it destroyed most of the states that adopted it as official ideology. | Mar 03 16:25 |
| MinceR | msb: how exactly is a question a lie? | Mar 03 16:26 |
| msb | The Bolshevik revolution was immediately attacked by armies from US, France, Germany, etc, which invaded and murdered millions. Later it was attacked by the Nazis, which were financed by the US, England, and some wealthy Germans. | Mar 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | the bolshevik revolution also invaded many countries | Mar 03 16:27 |
| msb | Those attacks caused the USSR govt to become authoritarian. | Mar 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | the one i happen to be living in suffered under it for decades. | Mar 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | no, they did not. | Mar 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | the leaders of the ussr caused it to become authoritarian. | Mar 03 16:28 |
| MinceR | of course, the phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat" probably didn't help. | Mar 03 16:28 |
| msb | The same as children who are attacked by psychopath parents and teachers adopt a psychopath personality, that fears and hates everyone. | Mar 03 16:28 |
| msb | Yes, that was a bad idea, along with "vanguard party". | Mar 03 16:28 |
| msb | A question is a lie when it contains lies. MinceR's question contained the lie "msb's favorite Saint Putin". | Mar 03 16:30 |
| MinceR | ooh, he isn't your favorite, then? | Mar 03 16:30 |
| MinceR | who is, then? | Mar 03 16:30 |
| MinceR | kim jong un? | Mar 03 16:30 |
| MinceR | fidel castro? | Mar 03 16:30 |
| MinceR | adolf hitler? | Mar 03 16:31 |
| msb | That's a common lying propaganda technique. It's even done in phone surveys to influence voters. | Mar 03 16:31 |
| msb | MinceR is so confused | Mar 03 16:31 |
| MinceR | is 'never answering the point of a question' also a common lying propaganda technique? | Mar 03 16:31 |
| MinceR | or is it specific to you? | Mar 03 16:31 |
| msb | he can't even remember what I said previously, even minutes ago. | Mar 03 16:31 |
| msb | MinceR just lied again with that question. | Mar 03 16:32 |
| MinceR | msb just lied again with those sentences. | Mar 03 16:33 |
| MinceR | see, two can play this game | Mar 03 16:33 |
| msb | It's not a game. I'm telling the truth. I try to answer MinceR's questions unless they are pure evil lies, like "are kim jong un and adolf hitler your favorite?" | Mar 03 16:34 |
| MinceR | no you're not. | Mar 03 16:34 |
| MinceR | you're saying communist phantasies. | Mar 03 16:34 |
| msb | Namely? | Mar 03 16:35 |
| MinceR | see above. | Mar 03 16:35 |
| msb | That workers should have power over businesses? | Mar 03 16:35 |
| MinceR | that a state where there's only one option in elections can be a democracy | Mar 03 16:35 |
| MinceR | especially if the constitution declares which one party should run everything | Mar 03 16:35 |
| msb | Workers having power over businesses is the main principle of marxism. | Mar 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | ironically, in your favorite states, workers don't have any power over anything | Mar 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | they're the slaves of the government, and the government gets to do with them as it wishes. | Mar 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | if they offend the government, they get killed (or deported and then killed) | Mar 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | they usually aren't even allowed to leave. | Mar 03 16:37 |
| msb | Not in Nicaragua, Vietnam, or Cuba. | Mar 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | and of course the businesses are usually owned by the state | Mar 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | controlled by the government. | Mar 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | not sure about nicaragua, but certainly in vietnam and cuba. | Mar 03 16:37 |
| msb | People vote for which candidates they want, even if they are all in one party. | Mar 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | so they don't get to decide anything | Mar 03 16:38 |
| MinceR | is that so in nicaragua? | Mar 03 16:38 |
| msb | Yes, in Cuba they vote for industry and district leaders. | Mar 03 16:38 |
| MinceR | i asked about nicaragua. | Mar 03 16:38 |
| msb | Yes, there were non-socialists running, and the socialists won by a large margins. | Mar 03 16:38 |
| msb | in Nicaragua | Mar 03 16:39 |
| MinceR | it's ironic how you think that voting for candidates in one party is somehow less democratic than voting for a number of different candidates in different parties, two of which dominate and are controlled by the same businesses, and the rest of which are generally independent. | Mar 03 16:39 |
| msb | The US also has only one party, because Republicans and Democrats are all fascists who don't give workers any control over businesses. | Mar 03 16:39 |
| MinceR | but this sort of warped "thinking" is probably a prerequisite for accepting those dark, brutal, oppressive regimes that you champion. | Mar 03 16:39 |
| MinceR | the US has several other parties. | Mar 03 16:40 |
| MinceR | and they're not excluded from elections by a government claiming that they're "fascists" | Mar 03 16:40 |
| MinceR | unlike in the states you're advertising | Mar 03 16:40 |
| msb | But the controlled news media lies to the voters, so they never vote for anyone but Rs and Ds. | Mar 03 16:40 |
| MinceR | which is worse than a government-controlled "news" media that feeds exclusively government propaganda to the citizens, while all alternatives are brutally shut down, how exactly? | Mar 03 16:41 |
| msb | It doesn't matter if there are other parties in the elections if the voters are mind-controlled by the corporate media so they don't ever vote for them. | Mar 03 16:41 |
| MinceR | the voters are not mind controlled | Mar 03 16:41 |
| MinceR | your idols wish they could mind-control their slaves | Mar 03 16:41 |
| MinceR | but even they can't do it, except maybe in north korea | Mar 03 16:42 |
| msb | Yes they are. The US media never mentions social democrat or socialist candidates. Even Ron Paul, who is very capitalist but anti-war, was not allowed in the debates, and his election votes were not presented to the public. I voted for him. Had to register Repug to vote for him in the primary. | Mar 03 16:43 |
| msb | MinceR lies again " your idols wish they could mind-control their slaves" | Mar 03 16:44 |
| MinceR | they don't wish because they prefer torturing and murdering dissenters | Mar 03 16:45 |
| MinceR | it's more fun that way | Mar 03 16:45 |
| MinceR | right? | Mar 03 16:45 |
| msb | The US media does feed "exclusively government propaganda to the citizens". Corporate-controlled media does the same as govt-controlled media, but allows the govt to claim that there's freedom when there actually isn't. Mind control, as engineered by Edward Bernays, is much more effective for than soldiers in the streets for controlling people, because with mind control the people don't know that they are slaves. | Mar 03 16:48 |
| schestowitz_log_ | http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1328595119727_864692.png | Mar 03 16:48 |
| MinceR | in that case, mind control is effective on msb | Mar 03 16:49 |
| MinceR | the united states does not forcefully shut down competing media. | Mar 03 16:50 |
| MinceR | msb would probably like it here in hungary | Mar 03 16:50 |
| MinceR | he can overlook the fundie ideology in russia, so it should work just the same here. | Mar 03 16:51 |
| msb | MinceR is lying again: "msb would probably like it here in hungary". | Mar 03 16:51 |
| msb | fundie? | Mar 03 16:51 |
| MinceR | msb just lied again with those sentences. | Mar 03 16:51 |
| MinceR | fundamentalist | Mar 03 16:51 |
| MinceR | religious fundamentalist, to be precise | Mar 03 16:51 |
| msb | Almost all JCI religion is harmful, including Russian Orthodox. | Mar 03 16:52 |
| MinceR | afaik putin jailed pussy riot because they dared offend his (newly) precious offshoot of the kiddie-fuckers. | Mar 03 16:52 |
| msb | Could be. | Mar 03 16:52 |
| msb | the united states does not forcefully shut down competing media -- true. It just funds them with money from citizens via advertising, etc, and does not fund alternative media, which therefore cannot compete. | Mar 03 16:54 |
| msb | And thus citizens don't see the alternative media, and so can't get the truth. | Mar 03 16:54 |
| MinceR | the barriers to entry have lowered considerably, enabling alternative media to compete. | Mar 03 16:55 |
| MinceR | and msb does see alternative media. | Mar 03 16:55 |
| msb | Unless they use the Internet, and the govt just shut down net neutrality, so now alternative media on the Net can be killed. | Mar 03 16:56 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Russia | Mar 03 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Freedom of the press in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqq4t ] | Mar 03 16:56 | |
| msb | Yes, I see it (and it is all opposed to the Ukrainian nazi takeover), but most Usians don't know about it. Of course the corporate media never tells them. | Mar 03 16:56 |
| msb | Years ago there was one program about computers and websites called "The Screensavers". Comcast killed it. | Mar 03 16:57 |
| msb | It was a cable program. It even mentioned Linux every week. Comcast bought it, gradually fired all the people, and changed it to video games only. | Mar 03 16:58 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Russia | Mar 03 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russian Internet blacklist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqq64 ] | Mar 03 17:01 | |
| MinceR | The full content of the blacklist is available to ISPs, but not to the general public. | Mar 03 17:01 |
| MinceR | i suppose this also matches msb's idea of government transparency. | Mar 03 17:02 |
| msb | Interestingly, US media have never run a 911 truth program. But Russia Today did! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vka7Da6e9LY&feature=share | Mar 03 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Truthseeker: 9/11 & Operation Gladio (E23) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gplmx ] | Mar 03 17:02 | |
| msb | MinceR lies again! " i suppose this also matches msb's idea of government transparency" | Mar 03 17:03 |
| MinceR | of course it did, as it was after the "truth" in a competing power | Mar 03 17:03 |
| MinceR | would RT ever run a program exposing russian government lies? | Mar 03 17:03 |
| MinceR | msb: ah, so you do want government transparency? | Mar 03 17:04 |
| msb | of course | Mar 03 17:04 |
| MinceR | even though it is not an attribute of your favored states? | Mar 03 17:04 |
| MinceR | i wonder what government transparency would look like in the ussr | Mar 03 17:04 |
| msb | They are not my "favored states", but they are states in which socialism works. | Mar 03 17:05 |
| MinceR | "xy told a joke about stalin we did not like so we put him on the train to siberia." | Mar 03 17:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, and we can see how "well" it works. | Mar 03 17:05 |
| msb | It works fine in Nicaragua, and amazingly well in Cuba considering the US embargo. | Mar 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | it must be amazing to keep all those heathen non-party-members off the internet. | Mar 03 17:06 |
| msb | Cuba has better medical care for poor people than the US does. | Mar 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | yet here you are complaining about what comcast does. | Mar 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | if you were in cuba, complaining about the state isp would end up with you in jail, in the good case | Mar 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | in the bad case, they would simply murder you. | Mar 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | the governments you champion can't tolerate dissent. | Mar 03 17:07 |
| msb | That may happen in the US also. | Mar 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | do you have an example? | Mar 03 17:07 |
| msb | JFK, RFK, MLK, Hunter S Thompson, all murdered by the govt. | Mar 03 17:08 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Mar 03 17:08 |
| msb | Also John Lennon. | Mar 03 17:08 |
| MinceR | also, it's good that communist leaders weren't murdered by their comrades... oh wait. | Mar 03 17:08 |
| MinceR | also citation needed re John Lennon. | Mar 03 17:09 |
| MinceR | also, recent examples needed. | Mar 03 17:09 |
| MinceR | msb: what position do you imagine in, when fantasizing about living in cuba? | Mar 03 17:10 |
| MinceR | msb: what position do you imagine yourself in, when fantasizing about living in cuba? | Mar 03 17:10 |
| MinceR | (left out a word...) | Mar 03 17:10 |
| msb | I don't fantasize about it. But if the SHTF here, I may wish I'd moved there. | Mar 03 17:11 |
| MinceR | if you did, would you join the party? | Mar 03 17:12 |
| msb | Probably not. | Mar 03 17:19 |
| msb | re John Lennon: Mark Chapman was run by the US govt, but may not have been the actual shooter, since the bullet wounds were not inflicted from his location. It was another man, with a history with the govt, who actually did it. Chapman was a patsy, like Oswald. But I haven't found the info yet -- read it years ago. | Mar 03 17:32 |
| msb | The real killer was an employee at the hotel. Here's some of it: http://www.freag.net/en/t/26ymo/was_john_lennon | Mar 03 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freag.net | Was John Lennon murdered by a CIA hitman? - .alt.obituaries [ http://ur1.ca/gqqfd ] | Mar 03 17:33 | |
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| MinceR | msb: what's your profession | Mar 03 19:27 |
| MinceR | ? | Mar 03 19:27 |
| msb | electronics, computer, software engineer consciousness researcher introduce music, cannabis, sharing etc from the 1960s, which I lived in, to the present | Mar 03 19:29 |
| Sosumi | msb = marksman sniper bullseyer | Mar 03 19:29 |
| Sosumi | in other words | Mar 03 19:29 |
| Sosumi | msb killed JFK | Mar 03 19:29 |
| Sosumi | :P | Mar 03 19:29 |
| msb | I've never shot a gun, nor even held one. | Mar 03 19:30 |
| MinceR | msb: bad news -- you're a "class enemy" of communists, just like me :> | Mar 03 19:31 |
| MinceR | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_060b9025f7fa592bcec0.jpg | Mar 03 19:31 |
| Sosumi | lol well | Mar 03 19:32 |
| Sosumi | shoving aside the joke | Mar 03 19:32 |
| Sosumi | Peter Openheimer of crapple | Mar 03 19:32 |
| Sosumi | joined goldman "sucks" board | Mar 03 19:32 |
| MinceR | is really Closedheimer? | Mar 03 19:32 |
| Sosumi | or was it goldman sax | Mar 03 19:33 |
| Sosumi | or goldman sux | Mar 03 19:33 |
| Sosumi | never mind | Mar 03 19:33 |
| Sosumi | expect the service to be much worst now | Mar 03 19:33 |
| MinceR | goldman sucks | Mar 03 19:33 |
| Sosumi | goldman sux is one of the banks doing money laudering for the abc agencies in the US | Mar 03 19:34 |
| Sosumi | and also one of the banks larsoning the portuguese government with the derivative trade | Mar 03 19:36 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Mar 03 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Ping I am trying to get some Ubuntu stuff for an event htat's coming up quite soon, did you get the onlne form I filled in, to do with that? on suggeston of mmhal | Mar 03 20:28 |
| jono | sebsebseb, I approved it | Mar 03 20:42 |
| jono | Michelle will be in touch | Mar 03 20:42 |
| jono | she is sending stuff | Mar 03 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | jono: awesome :) | Mar 03 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | jono: thanks :) | Mar 03 20:47 |
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| jono | sebsebseb, np | Mar 03 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | jono: oh yeah the costs are probably quite a lot more than that £60 I put, I wasn't really sure of costs etc ath te time | Mar 03 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | jono: ,but as long as got enough for say 60 to possibly even 80 people that's great :) | Mar 03 20:55 |
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| MinceR | https://31.media.tumblr.com/d2f510deab12891149c9bf34a374339c/tumblr_n1vdtuuAP31sg3akro1_250.gif | Mar 03 21:32 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713719 | Mar 03 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Video Shows Man S... | Mar 03 21:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | "#texas" | Mar 03 21:42 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713415 | Mar 03 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Voice-recording s... | Mar 03 21:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | "microphones should have a physical switch" | Mar 03 21:42 |
| msb | MinceR: Good -- if Putin sticks his tongue out it means he has a sense of humor. | Mar 03 21:42 |
| MinceR | that's not how humor works | Mar 03 21:42 |
| schestowitz__ | he lies when his lips move | Mar 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 03 21:43 |
| schestowitz__ | Obama reads when his lips move | Mar 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | they might lie in other cases, too | Mar 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | like when their fingers move | Mar 03 21:43 |
| schestowitz__ | The TelePrompter presidency | Mar 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713280 | Mar 03 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | This is hilarious... | Mar 03 21:44 | |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe they want to verify their database and know the NSA has a more recent backup than they do." | Mar 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Mar 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz__ | Haha, good one | Mar 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivT-I-yxtdY | Mar 03 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Pussy Riot attacked with whips by police at Sochi - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqsh6 ] | Mar 03 21:47 | |
| msb | MinceR: For you, Putin must not have a single good characteristic. | Mar 03 21:48 |
| MinceR | msb: if i were you, i would say: msb is lying yet again! | Mar 03 21:48 |
| msb | MinceR: Tell me a good characteristic that Putin has. | Mar 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713177 | Mar 03 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | #Microsoft booste... | Mar 03 21:48 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Perception management is job one." | Mar 03 21:49 |
| MinceR | msb: i'm not aware of any | Mar 03 21:49 |
| MinceR | msb: which doesn't mean there's none | Mar 03 21:49 |
| msb | MinceR: Like I said... | Mar 03 21:49 |
| MinceR | msb: just that what he exposes to the general public is negative. | Mar 03 21:49 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3711809 | Mar 03 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Venezuelan Open S... | Mar 03 21:49 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Venezuela is becoming like Syria: one party is bad, the other is worse." | Mar 03 21:49 |
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| msb | The psychopaths that attacked Pussy Riot at Sochi were Cossacks, not police. | Mar 03 21:56 |
| msb | So not sent by Putin. | Mar 03 21:57 |
| MinceR | and the ones who locked them up? | Mar 03 21:57 |
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| msb | What are you talking about? | Mar 03 21:58 |
| MinceR | interesting, earlier today you knew what i was talking about | Mar 03 21:58 |
| MinceR | what happened? you received another dose of programming? | Mar 03 21:58 |
| msb | Stop lying, MinceR! I asked what you mean by "<MinceR> and the ones who locked them up?" | Mar 03 21:59 |
| MinceR | stop lying, msb! | Mar 03 21:59 |
| MinceR | also, do your masters feed you well for this? | Mar 03 22:00 |
| msb | schestowitz__: From reading the article it seems like the violence is coming exclusively from anti-government fascist forces, not from the left at all. So the Left party is not bad. | Mar 03 22:05 |
| schestowitz__ | VZ? | Mar 03 22:06 |
| msb | Yes | Mar 03 22:06 |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI plans to open 650 new stores in the United States in 2014, creating good jobs that pay the bills without dumping most of their employees on government welfare, Walmart-style. | Mar 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Good | Mar 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> http://www.producenews.com/index.php/news-dep-menu/test-featured/11972-aldi-plans-to-open-650-new-stores | Mar 03 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.producenews.com | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores - The Produce News - Covering fresh produce around the globe since 1897. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndy ] | Mar 03 22:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI offers health insurance to employees who work as little as 20 hours a week. | Mar 03 22:17 |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI also has a dental, vision, and 401(k) plan that Walmart employees don't have. | Mar 03 22:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Same here | Mar 03 22:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Good conditions for workers | Mar 03 22:17 |
| msb | http://www.globalresearch.ca/staged-opposition-violence-in-venezuela-towards-a-colored-revolution/5368759 | Mar 03 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Staged Opposition Violence in Venezuela. Towards a “Colored Revolution”? | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqss9 ] | Mar 03 22:24 | |
| msb | http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855 | Mar 03 22:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Venezuela: Regime Change, Destabilization and the Hidden Hands of U.S. Capitalism | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqssp ] | Mar 03 22:25 | |
| msb | The U.S. thinks it has found a formula for regime change, beginning with destabilization from within. Venezuela’s democratically elected government has long been a target. “Over the last decade or so we have seen this strategy attempted in Zimbabwe, Libya, Iran, and Syria. | Mar 03 22:25 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 03 22:48 |
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| msb | Paul Craig Roberts, whose articles are hosted on CRG (leftist) and Alex Jones infowars.com: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/20/ukraine-drifting-toward-civil-war-great-power-confrontation/ | Mar 04 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Is Ukraine Drifting Toward Civil War And Great Power Confrontation? - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/gqtzc ] | Mar 04 00:48 | |
| msb | Alex Jones is capitalist. | Mar 04 00:48 |
| msb | ...but features 9/11 truth. | Mar 04 00:49 |
| msb | http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/exposed-the-nazi-roots-of-the-european-union/ | Mar 04 04:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jonrappoport.wordpress.com | Exposed: the Nazi roots of the European Union « Jon Rappoport's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/gqvo6 ] | Mar 04 04:24 | |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz__: no, Aldi can fuck right off | Mar 04 04:50 |
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| DaemonFC | Uggh.... | Mar 04 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | msb: Do not eat Wolf brand chili. | Mar 04 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty sure I could run my car on what happens a few hours later. | Mar 04 05:48 |
| msb | Ay Caramba! | Mar 04 05:50 |
| msb | But isn't that just the beans? | Mar 04 05:50 |
| msb | Maybe it's made from actual wolves? | Mar 04 05:50 |
| msb | The John Carpenter remake of The Thing From Outer Space taught us never to leave the house without our flamethrower, right? | Mar 04 05:53 |
| msb | But if you do, and you've eaten Wolf brand chili, you can just turn your back on the enemy, hold a lit match up to your ass, and fart! | Mar 04 05:54 |
| msb | A twenty-foot long cloud of flaming methane! Good for a whole family of monsters or criminals. | Mar 04 05:58 |
| msb | Garlic used to do that for me -- a tragedy! But not anymore! | Mar 04 06:01 |
| msb | Get some Nature's Way Pomegranate Standardized capsules, about $15 for 60. Open one up, drain the powder into a cup of water -- distilled, of course -- and add a 1gr. saccharin tablet. Wait a minute and stir. Delicious, and full of ellagic acid, which is anti-cancer. | Mar 04 06:05 |
| msb | It's a beautifully symmetrical molecule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellagic_acid | Mar 04 06:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ellagic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqwe2 ] | Mar 04 06:06 | |
| msb | The caps are sealed, but you just bite off one end -- the very end -- and roll the cap between thumb and finger to make the powder come out the hole. | Mar 04 06:09 |
| msb | Stores don't carry saccharin tablets anymore -- the only non-harmful artificial sweetener. But Amazon has it. | Mar 04 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | Well, that's better. | Mar 04 06:12 |
| msb | Has nothing to do with garlic farts. I'm just drinking some now. Nice purple color. | Mar 04 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | msb: I don't know what it's made from, but when you have to flush the toilet nine times to get rid of it.... | Mar 04 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'll throw the rest away. | Mar 04 06:13 |
| msb | OMG! Does it try to crawl out??? | Mar 04 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea what must have been in that. | Mar 04 06:13 |
| msb | The worst monsters have whippy tentacles! JC invented that in the remake of The Thing. | Mar 04 06:14 |
| msb | Well, once it's out, do the thing with the lit match and the flame should put it down! | Mar 04 06:16 |
| msb | Oh the Humanity! | Mar 04 06:17 |
| msb | http://hf.dilbert.com/2013-12-22/ | Mar 04 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hf.dilbert.com | The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! | Mar 04 06:18 | |
| msb | My favorite Dilbert! | Mar 04 06:19 |
| msb | The first "Thing" was great too! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044121/combined | Mar 04 06:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Thing from Another World (1951) [ http://ur1.ca/gqwju ] | Mar 04 06:29 | |
| msb | Margaret Sheridan was beautiful! | Mar 04 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | Someone pointed out that the Russian government had almost no debt. | Mar 04 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | I noted that they can't afford to because nobody is giving them an extremely good interest rate. | Mar 04 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | The interest rate on government bonds in Russia has spiked to near record levels. | Mar 04 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | The record was set back in 1998, right before they defaulted on their debt. | Mar 04 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | The interest rates have been unusually high since then because they're still seen as a default risk. | Mar 04 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | If they did it once, they could do it again, so people demand higher returns. | Mar 04 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | The US has a high debt, but very low interest rates. | Mar 04 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | If you invest in US government debt, you're probably not going to beat inflation, so the government is actually making money with debt right now. | Mar 04 06:32 |
| msb | Music by Dimitri Tiomkin, one of the greats. You can still get it on the Net, but I can't say how. | Mar 04 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | The US dollar's status as a reserve currency is on its way back up thanks to other governments kindly trashing their own economies. | Mar 04 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 04 06:35 |
| msb | Russia has lots of gold in the ground. | Mar 04 06:39 |
| msb | Since MinceR isn't here, I can say that without him telling me to go live there. | Mar 04 06:40 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying | Mar 04 06:53 |
| msb | Crap, he's here! | Mar 04 06:54 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3711789 | Mar 04 07:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | "The menu bar and... | Mar 04 07:13 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Ken has fantastic insight." | Mar 04 07:13 |
| MinceR | http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/hungary-an-election-in-question-part-1/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 | Mar 04 07:24 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | The Indiana state lottery is plugging part of the hole in the teacher pension program. | Mar 04 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's a cruel irony. People with poor math skills funding teacher pensions.... LOL | Mar 04 07:28 |
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| MinceR | :> | Mar 04 07:29 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | Satan worshipers already have special rights because Satan worship is a religion. | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | NAMBLA is a religion. They call it the Catholic Church. | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | "Eye....Warship...Satin?" | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | -John Ritter in Stay Tuned. | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Conservatives believe strongly in personal accountability." | Mar 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | LOL! | Mar 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | 65% of senior citizens are conservative, and most of them are on Social Security and Medicare, like their atheist hero Ayn Rand was. | Mar 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | If they're not going to tell me "thank you", then can't they please just shut up while they're spending my money? | Mar 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | "It is the individuals responsibility to pull themselves up, not the government." | Mar 04 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | All life is sacred, until it gets hungry, or sick, or wants an education. | Mar 04 08:05 |
| MinceR | http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/opinion/brooks-putin-cant-stop.html?rref=opinion | Mar 04 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/gqxca ] | Mar 04 08:06 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is good. Every sperm is needed, in your neighborhood! | Mar 04 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is great! If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate! | Mar 04 08:07 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-03/bank-rossii-raises-key-rate-150-basis-points-on-stability-risks.html | Mar 04 08:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com | Russia Raises Main Rate as Ukraine Crisis Threatens Economy - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/gqxfd ] | Mar 04 08:15 | |
| DaemonFC | It looks like Russia's economy is getting ready to be thrown into reverse. | Mar 04 08:15 |
| schestowitz__ | meh | Mar 04 08:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Nayve we'll give him a peace for our time | Mar 04 08:16 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 04 09:26 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2014/03/02/the-incredible-shrinking-work-force/5914315/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin= | Mar 04 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indystar.com | Indiana's incredible shrinking workforce: What is the cause? [ http://ur1.ca/gqyi8 ] | Mar 04 10:12 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1DB2BRPNK6C9 | Mar 04 10:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The Pentagon cuts are almost all being taken out on soldiers and veterans, thanks largely to Republicans. [ http://ur1.ca/gqyq7 ] | Mar 04 10:45 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/27/1280110/-Troops-face-devastating-one-two-punch | Mar 04 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | The Pentagon cuts are almost all being taken out on soldiers and veterans, thanks largely to Republicans who voted down cost of living raises and a veterans benefits bill, yet demand protection for their expensive boondoggles and demand to purchase equipment that the military itself says it has no use for. | Mar 04 10:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | Troops face devastating one-two punch [ http://ur1.ca/gqyq8 ] | Mar 04 10:46 | |
| DaemonFC | Many US soldiers are now so broke, that they need food stamps, which have also been drastically cut. | Mar 04 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | The irony of this is that big corporations are getting exactly what they asked for and then complaining that their businesses are in decline. | Mar 04 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | Some Walmart stores rely on food stamps for 35% of their revenue, and blame the cuts for a large part of their 21% profit decline last quarter. | Mar 04 10:46 |
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| MinceR | http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/how-the-internet-reacted-to-russia-invading-ukraine | Mar 04 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeed.com | How The Internet Reacted To Russia Invading Ukraine [ http://ur1.ca/gqz51 ] | Mar 04 11:40 | |
| msb | Not one mention in that buzzfeed article about the Nazis that seized power in Ukraine by gun violence, and the US that supported them. | Mar 04 12:26 |
| MinceR | putin is at least as much a nazi as those | Mar 04 12:29 |
| MinceR | he's nationalist, he's christian fundamentalist and he's a dictator | Mar 04 12:29 |
| MinceR | and msb here is propping him up | Mar 04 12:29 |
| msb | And for an article about "how the Internet reacted", not one mention of all the alternative news sites that did talk about the US-supported Nazis, from CRG on the left to Alex Jones on the right. | Mar 04 12:29 |
| MinceR | once again showing that the difference between commies and nazis is negligible | Mar 04 12:29 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying | Mar 04 12:30 |
| MinceR | putin is also a commie, having come from the top of the kgb, making him a communazi like viktor orban | Mar 04 12:30 |
| msb | I'm not going to respond to MinceR anymore. He lies, uses personal attacks and propaganda techniques, puts words in my mouth, changes the meanings of concepts, and is incapable of critical thinking. It's useless to communicate with him. I spent all of last night doing it, and it was a waste of time. | Mar 04 12:33 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying | Mar 04 12:33 |
| MinceR | msb is a lying communazi propaganda hole who gets off to russian imperialist military conquest fantasies | Mar 04 12:34 |
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| Sosumi | mike larabel: my apple rmbp seems to already be starting to fail | Mar 04 17:09 |
| Sosumi | just now on twitter | Mar 04 17:09 |
| Sosumi | well, thank that the deficient cooling system crapple put on the thing | Mar 04 17:10 |
| Sosumi | *to | Mar 04 17:10 |
| Sosumi | I actually think that one of the reasons crapple is implemented such deficient cooling solutions is not just for the "beauty" of the machine | Mar 04 17:11 |
| Sosumi | but because the higher heat stresses will also shorten the lifespan of the computer | Mar 04 17:12 |
| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/440896428877942787 | Mar 04 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michaellarabel: my Apple rMBP seems to already be starting to fail.... Thinking of going back to @lenovo or @ASUSUSA for my next main #Linux ultrabook. | Mar 04 17:14 | |
| Sosumi | also, ultrabooks are fail | Mar 04 17:15 |
| Sosumi | huge premium for portability at the expense of computation | Mar 04 17:15 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz__: Top UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for child porn | Mar 04 17:26 |
| XFaCE | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/top-uk-official-involved-in-national-porn-filter-arrested-for-child-porn/ | Mar 04 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Top UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for child porn | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/gr20j ] | Mar 04 17:26 | |
| XFaCE | Sosumi: should I say "of course"? :P | Mar 04 17:26 |
| Sosumi | just stating the facts | Mar 04 17:40 |
| MinceR | i can see the attraction in passive cooling, but not if it cooks the machine | Mar 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | i can also see the attraction in portability, as i'm tired of lugging my tablet pc around :> | Mar 04 17:50 |
| Sosumi | bro | Mar 04 18:07 |
| Sosumi | do you even lift? | Mar 04 18:07 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 04 18:08 |
| MinceR | yup | Mar 04 18:16 |
| MinceR | too much of it :> | Mar 04 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Orban says you're safe from Vlad. | Mar 04 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Does this make you feel better? | Mar 04 18:45 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: no. orban said many things, many of which were lies. | Mar 04 18:45 |
| MinceR | i hope he has enough of a brain to stop the paks2 deal now, though | Mar 04 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | I heard that he's expected to "coast" to re-election. | Mar 04 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | along with the entire party | Mar 04 18:46 |
| MinceR | yeah, hungarian voters are extremely stupid and orban fucked up the voting system | Mar 04 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like Indiana | Mar 04 18:46 |
| MinceR | much worse than indiana. | Mar 04 18:46 |
| MinceR | here's the first article in a series that explains how hard the hungarian election system is fucked up: | Mar 04 18:47 |
| MinceR | http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/hungary-an-election-in-question-part-1/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 | Mar 04 18:47 |
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| DaemonFC | oh... Paul Krugman | Mar 04 18:47 |
| MinceR | in addition to that, almost all of the media is owned by orban and his cronies | Mar 04 18:47 |
| MinceR | and the law does not protect freedom of speech, but represses it. | Mar 04 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana Republicans have a supermajority. | Mar 04 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | They can do anything they want. | Mar 04 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | So, instead of creating jobs, they're changing the topic from their corrupt policies and ineptitude to a gay marriage ban. | Mar 04 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | Which is impressive, since it's already banned. | Mar 04 18:48 |
| MinceR | also, proceeding with paks2 may require leaving the NATO, which would be another invitation for msb's favorite communazi to march in. | Mar 04 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | "We have to ban it again in case those pesky courts get involved!" | Mar 04 18:49 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 04 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | This ignores the fact that a federal court can strike down part of a state constitution. | Mar 04 18:49 |
| MinceR | only part of it? | Mar 04 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | The ban is in no danger in state courts, because the judges were appointed by the Republicans. | Mar 04 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | Any part that violated federal law or the federal constitution. | Mar 04 18:50 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 04 18:50 |
| MinceR | so making a gay marriage ban the whole of the constitution is no way out :> | Mar 04 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | Alabama's constitution is the longest and worst-written constitution in the world. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| MinceR | unlikely | Mar 04 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | It's full of racism and homophobia. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | I believe it even still says that women don't have a right to vote. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| MinceR | hungary's would be a pretty good contender. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| Sosumi | so they fear men in hungary | Mar 04 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | The federal courts have struck down lots of it. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| Sosumi | homophobia = fear of men | Mar 04 18:52 |
| MinceR | it starts off with christian fundamentalist nationalist bullshit and the rest is so badly thought out they've already amended it four or five times in the last 4 years. | Mar 04 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | It also says that you have to be a Christian to hold a state office and that you have to swear an oath to God before you take office. | Mar 04 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | The federal courts struck that down too. | Mar 04 18:52 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe alabama's is indeed worse | Mar 04 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana's starts out with a very Christian fundamentalist preamble. | Mar 04 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | But it proceeds to strong separation of church and state. | Mar 04 18:53 |
| gde33 | it isn't even in India | Mar 04 18:53 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 04 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana's constitution states that people have a right to freedom from religion. | Mar 04 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | Or having their money support it in any way. | Mar 04 18:54 |
| MinceR | that's nice. is it enforced? | Mar 04 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | Well, yes and no. | Mar 04 18:55 |
| gde33 | what about keeping church and law seperate? | Mar 04 18:55 |
| gde33 | Dont you have laws like that? | Mar 04 18:56 |
| MinceR | separation of church and state implies that | Mar 04 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | Churches aren't taxed, so they are getting a subsidy. | Mar 04 18:56 |
| gde33 | ah yes, "state" was what I was looking for | Mar 04 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | Federal courts have generally found that states must have a valid state interest in passing a law. | Mar 04 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | They've rationalized the gay marriage ban in every way you can think of. | Mar 04 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | But, the federal courts are striking them down left and right. | Mar 04 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | The US Supreme Court is expected to strike them all down within a year or two. | Mar 04 18:57 |
| gde33 | "valid state interests" *shrug* | Mar 04 18:58 |
| gde33 | so it is not the peoples government but it's own | Mar 04 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Under the new election framework, the allied opposition parties cannot win a parliamentary majority, even if they gain more votes than the governing party. " | Mar 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: We have that. | Mar 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Democratic House candidates had 51% of the vote in 2012, but only got 46% of the House seats. | Mar 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans run most of the states and drew House districts around the voters. | Mar 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats would have to get 56% of the vote to be guaranteed a majority in the House. | Mar 04 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | Although it would be achievable under the right circumstances with 53-54% | Mar 04 19:00 |
| gde33 | unfair but not a real problem as they really only represent 5% or so | Mar 04 19:00 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the playing field is much more tilted in hungary. | Mar 04 19:01 |
| gde33 | Not entirely on topic I admit, I keep comming back to the same thoughts, I'm always very motivated to do something for the greater good, until I talk with other people. | Mar 04 19:01 |
| MinceR | especially if you consider that they've handed out citizenships to people who don't even live here but support the nazis. | Mar 04 19:01 |
| MinceR | and that they've unilaterally gerrymandered the whole country in one fell swoop | Mar 04 19:01 |
| gde33 | My latest simplification is to make a website, then register people who actually care what their government does. | Mar 04 19:01 |
| MinceR | and locked it into law that requires a 2/3 majority to change. | Mar 04 19:01 |
| gde33 | It seems most easy in the US where people are far more interested in the rule of law | Mar 04 19:03 |
| gde33 | With just a few million people globally we could accomplish great things. | Mar 04 19:06 |
| gde33 | a place where people holding opposing opinions can join forces, have something we can all agree about. | Mar 04 19:08 |
| MinceR | it's a pity that we're opposed by people with massive amounts of resources | Mar 04 19:09 |
| gde33 | we should compensate with ambition | Mar 04 19:09 |
| MinceR | they do not lack for ambition. | Mar 04 19:10 |
| gde33 | an organisation twice as big has something like 4 times as much influence | Mar 04 19:10 |
| gde33 | all we need to do is unite | Mar 04 19:10 |
| gde33 | Politicans cant oppose public opinion if it is well documented | Mar 04 19:11 |
| gde33 | they can only follow | Mar 04 19:11 |
| MinceR | public opinion is determined by the masses who don't care and don't understand. | Mar 04 19:12 |
| gde33 | that is why I want to filter out the people who do care and make a public opinion from that | Mar 04 19:13 |
| gde33 | arguably those who couldn't care less are not worth asking for their opinion | Mar 04 19:13 |
| gde33 | it just bothers them | Mar 04 19:13 |
| gde33 | I could build quite the distributed intelect :D | Mar 04 19:14 |
| gde33 | MinceR: imho one should never create an opinion for other people | Mar 04 19:16 |
| gde33 | it is good to anticipate what people will do or say but try never mention it. | Mar 04 19:17 |
| gde33 | MinceR: For example: I already knew you didn't want to help me with the website. But I still have to aks you, my imagination isn't you. | Mar 04 19:19 |
| gde33 | Why would people be motivated if they cant accomplish something? | Mar 04 19:22 |
| gde33 | When the mechanism of choice accomplishes something the lack of motivation looses it's base. | Mar 04 19:23 |
| MinceR | you didn't ask me :> | Mar 04 19:26 |
| MinceR | oh, this was that commit to hear an idea thing? i didn't recognize it. | Mar 04 19:30 |
| gde33 | MinceR: it was just an example, maybe not such a good one but if I have to navigate by anticipation I might as well kill myself today. | Mar 04 19:34 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 04 19:38 |
| MinceR | don't give up | Mar 04 19:38 |
| gde33 | precicely! | Mar 04 19:39 |
| *freedomrun has quit (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish) | Mar 04 19:42 | |
| msb | MinceR lied about me again: "<MinceR> also, proceeding with paks2 may require leaving the NATO, which would be another invitation for msb's favorite communazi to march in." | Mar 04 19:45 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 19:45 |
| gde33 | not very politically correct :P | Mar 04 19:46 |
| MinceR | he never was | Mar 04 19:47 |
| gde33 | lets talk about the 150 year war against free energy inventors. | Mar 04 19:48 |
| gde33 | the academic argument seems to be that if you dont investigate something it doesn't exist. | Mar 04 19:49 |
| gde33 | just ignore it and it stops existing | Mar 04 19:49 |
| msb | Putin is not my favorite anything. He is of value only as a counter to US fascism and mass murder. Also "communazi" is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. The Nazis were financed by US capitalists to destroy the communists, socialists, social democrats and trade unionists, and they did, wherever they could find them. The Nazis invaded Russia and murdered 16-20 million people. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Mar 04 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Mar 04 19:49 | |
| MinceR | yeah, totalitarian dictatorship is the opposite of totalitarian dictatorship | Mar 04 19:50 |
| gde33 | financed by US capitalists also to kill US citizens | Mar 04 19:50 |
| MinceR | and in msb's mind, there's no other option. | Mar 04 19:50 |
| msb | gde33: Who, the Nazis? | Mar 04 19:51 |
| gde33 | unless we have something to agree about and work on together nothing said here will do anything :P | Mar 04 19:51 |
| gde33 | msb: yes | Mar 04 19:51 |
| msb | But the Nazis never invaded the US. | Mar 04 19:52 |
| msb | How would they kill US citizens? | Mar 04 19:52 |
| gde33 | in the great recession the US capitalists stripped down the citizens | Mar 04 19:52 |
| gde33 | then send them naked to Europe to die | Mar 04 19:52 |
| msb | in WW2 | Mar 04 19:53 |
| msb | Well, sort of, then. | Mar 04 19:53 |
| gde33 | just like people could chose to either go to Iraq or be unemployed | Mar 04 19:53 |
| gde33 | a lot of weapons used cause veins in the brain to explode, it can take some months before the so called post traumatic stress kicks in | Mar 04 19:54 |
| gde33 | then they kill themselves | Mar 04 19:54 |
| gde33 | the US government can just create money and employ people to do anything, killing brown people has to be the least productive choice. | Mar 04 19:56 |
| gde33 | if it is the only choice you dont have one | Mar 04 19:56 |
| gde33 | http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/30-percent-iraq-afghanistan-veterans-have-mulled-suicide-survey-v19795613 | Mar 04 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | 30 percent of Iraq, Afghanistan veterans have mulled suicide: survey - NBC News [ http://ur1.ca/gr3bx ] | Mar 04 19:57 | |
| gde33 | cut unemployment by 30% ! | Mar 04 19:57 |
| msb | gde33: As to free energy, while I'd love it to be real, and while Stanley Meyer was obviously murdered, these days its very easy to distribute the info about any valid free energy technique so widely that murder can't silence it. Yet nobody has done so. | Mar 04 19:58 |
| msb | its --> it's | Mar 04 19:58 |
| gde33 | the information is alll over the internet | Mar 04 19:58 |
| msb | But none of it works, or people would be building and selling them. | Mar 04 19:58 |
| gde33 | like I said, by not investigating any of it people claim to know what it is | Mar 04 19:59 |
| msb | Wouldn't you pay hundreds of dollars for a | Mar 04 19:59 |
| gde33 | I'm going to have to call it BS sorry. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| gde33 | take this for example: BlackLight has produced millions of watts of power in a volume that is one ten thousandths of a liter corresponding to a power density of over an astonishing 10 billion watts per liter. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| msb | Bearden MEG if it worked? But it doesn't. | Mar 04 19:59 |
| gde33 | beardens MEG was not good enough to use. | Mar 04 20:00 |
| gde33 | there are many others but, lets stick with Blacklight for a moment. | Mar 04 20:01 |
| msb | The patent says it generates tens of watts. So it could be put in a box with a lightbulb socket on top, and the bulb would light indefinitely. But it doesn't work at all. | Mar 04 20:01 |
| gde33 | they have formal lab results, university students working on their stuff. | Mar 04 20:01 |
| gde33 | blacklight power cant be debunked with a bearden straw man ;) | Mar 04 20:02 |
| msb | OK, BlackLight is the one technology that I think is probably real. But in about 20 years they have not produced anything for sale. | Mar 04 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-10/forint-plunges-as-goldman-sachs-warns-on-hungary-rate-outlook | Mar 04 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessweek.com | Forint Plunges as Goldman Sachs Warns on Hungary Rate Outlook - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/gr3dh ] | Mar 04 20:02 | |
| gde33 | cant sell something if public opinion argues it not to exist | Mar 04 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: One of the retarded things that Republicans in Indiana did was spend money creating a commission to study how Indiana would fare if it had to become its own country because of the collapse of our federal government. | Mar 04 20:03 |
| msb | Not so. If it works, some people would buy it, and eventually everybody would buy it when they saw that it works. | Mar 04 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | The state would be in serious trouble. | Mar 04 20:03 |
| gde33 | DaemonFC: that doesn't sound like a bad idea? | Mar 04 20:03 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, it could help if it convinced them to not secede if secession turns out to be a bad idea | Mar 04 20:04 |
| gde33 | msb: that never happened | Mar 04 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | The state of Indiana gets way more out of the federal government than it puts into it. | Mar 04 20:04 |
| gde33 | msb: we've had inventors like this 150 years ago | Mar 04 20:04 |
| gde33 | msb: a new one every year, it never happened | Mar 04 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Secession is illegal. | Mar 04 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | There is no constitutional method for a US state to secede. | Mar 04 20:04 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the constitution could be changed. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| MinceR | unconstitutional methods could be employed. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| gde33 | DaemonFC: wouldn't such an investigation show that? | Mar 04 20:05 |
| msb | I phoned them up once, and they said they'd never tested hydrinos for toxicity. Since Randell Mills is and M.D., I find it very hard to believe that he hasn't fed some hydrinos to rats. So maybe they are toxic. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | That's highly unlikely. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| msb | and --> an | Mar 04 20:05 |
| gde33 | DaemonFC: show what it gets out of the federal deal? | Mar 04 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Well, first the state would need a military for the second option. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: but if it turns out that it's pointless to fight for, then they have no reason to try. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | gde33: Federal block grants. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: dunno, there are a few sovereign states without a military of their own. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | Federal highway funds. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| MinceR | (one could question how sovereign they are, though.) | Mar 04 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | Social insurance coverage. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| gde33 | msb: my argument isn't that it must be real, it is that one cant argue something to be unreal without looking into it. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| gde33 | I'm not offended by liars who want money. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | The federal government has the obligation to provide defense. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they could start, try and scrape the money together, and then fail hard. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Right. The state budget falls apart without the federal subsidies and bailouts. | Mar 04 20:07 |
| gde33 | if anything they would have to ballance the books | Mar 04 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans are balancing Indiana's budgets on federal deficits. | Mar 04 20:07 |
| gde33 | which seems a cool idea | Mar 04 20:07 |
| msb | gde33: Any inventor who wanted to publish complete FE creation info could do it safely on the Net now. But they don't, because they want to make a profit. | Mar 04 20:07 |
| gde33 | msb: there are sooooo many | Mar 04 20:08 |
| gde33 | you imagine they don't | Mar 04 20:08 |
| msb | But for any of the 150 years of inventors who have published sufficient info, nobody has tried it and made it work. | Mar 04 20:08 |
| msb | Unless you think they were all secretly murdered. | Mar 04 20:08 |
| gde33 | be realistic, how much money is there in energy? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| gde33 | kill one guy is a big deal now? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| msb | $trillions | Mar 04 20:09 |
| gde33 | after all the petroleum wars? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| gde33 | they have trillions to divide, surely there is enough money there to kill someone? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| msb | How would the fascists find all the people trying to duplicate FE in their basements? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| gde33 | or at least scare them properly? | Mar 04 20:10 |
| msb | Before they revealed success in public. | Mar 04 20:10 |
| gde33 | good question | Mar 04 20:10 |
| gde33 | actually they dont, people publish things then they get ignored | Mar 04 20:10 |
| msb | Yes, isn't it. | Mar 04 20:10 |
| gde33 | only if they dont get ignored they are made to shut up | Mar 04 20:10 |
| gde33 | Meyer got patents in canada and international patents, that was why they couldn't shut him down under national security laws | Mar 04 20:11 |
| gde33 | all the others did get silenced | Mar 04 20:11 |
| gde33 | while the general public laughed at them | Mar 04 20:11 |
| msb | If anyone built a successful FE machine, they could write the complete info on a sheet of paper, xerox 10,000 copies, and send it to so many people that a few of them would also duplicate it. | Mar 04 20:11 |
| msb | That would prevent getting silenced. | Mar 04 20:11 |
| msb | Nobody has ever done it. | Mar 04 20:12 |
| gde33 | they could, then nothing would happen | Mar 04 20:12 |
| msb | Wouldn't you build one? I certainly would. | Mar 04 20:12 |
| gde33 | you could be one of the few who would build the replication | Mar 04 20:12 |
| gde33 | then you would be added to the laughing stock | Mar 04 20:12 |
| msb | And you also, right? | Mar 04 20:12 |
| gde33 | anyone | Mar 04 20:12 |
| msb | I don't care if people laugh at me. | Mar 04 20:13 |
| gde33 | some are that strong | Mar 04 20:13 |
| msb | Hell, I'd build and sell them, and laugh all the way to the bank. | Mar 04 20:13 |
| gde33 | evidently you didnt ;) | Mar 04 20:14 |
| msb | Because there aren't any that work (except maybe blacklight). | Mar 04 20:14 |
| gde33 | that suggests you have a list with all of them on it | Mar 04 20:14 |
| gde33 | you have no such list | Mar 04 20:14 |
| msb | There's dozens of them on a yahoo list who built MEGs. None of them worked. | Mar 04 20:15 |
| gde33 | when the claim is made you have to fly there and observe it first hand before the NDA's are signed | Mar 04 20:15 |
| gde33 | you have only a tiny window to see anything | Mar 04 20:15 |
| msb | Well that's the problem. If they want to make a profit, and have people sign NDAs, then that kills it, because they can be killed or scared off. | Mar 04 20:16 |
| gde33 | I'm not impressed by the evidence presented, evidence for a claim it didnt work is entirely unconvincing. | Mar 04 20:16 |
| msb | It has to be publicized widely. Has to be made public anyhow for a patent. | Mar 04 20:17 |
| gde33 | technology is bought by an organisation buying such things | Mar 04 20:17 |
| msb | gde33: So have you ever built any FE machines, if that's the way you feel? | Mar 04 20:17 |
| gde33 | then they sell the technology to big energy players | Mar 04 20:17 |
| msb | Of course. | Mar 04 20:17 |
| gde33 | I've tried to talk with scientists about the many claims | Mar 04 20:18 |
| msb | That's why the entire info has to be made public and spread widely. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| gde33 | I listened to their response, they are always 100% convinced before even reading something. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| gde33 | they are so convinced there is nothing there that they are offended by the question. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| msb | But you don't need to be a scientist to build one. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| gde33 | it would help to get at least some of them on the good side | Mar 04 20:19 |
| msb | I could build a cyclotron or an electron microscope on my kitchen table. | Mar 04 20:19 |
| msb | Help what? Any skilled DIYer could build one without the approval of any scientist. | Mar 04 20:19 |
| gde33 | if you try to set up any sort of community it will be destroyed | Mar 04 20:20 |
| gde33 | websites vanish | Mar 04 20:20 |
| gde33 | it is not a climate anyone can work in | Mar 04 20:20 |
| msb | BS. The info can be sent to 1000 yahoo lists and a dozen websites. | Mar 04 20:21 |
| gde33 | it can be, more usually someone makes a whole website dedicated to a topic | Mar 04 20:21 |
| gde33 | when that vanishes it takes most if not all of the information with it | Mar 04 20:21 |
| msb | Then someone could go to a safer country than the US with good internet and make a dozen websites and post to 1000 yahoo and other mailing lists. | Mar 04 20:22 |
| msb | That would give tens of thousands of people copies of the info on their home computers. | Mar 04 20:22 |
| gde33 | work your ass off to give a trillion euro invention away? | Mar 04 20:23 |
| gde33 | to people who dont want it? | Mar 04 20:23 |
| msb | The murderers can't work fast enough to stop that, or to kill or secretly threaten tens of thousands of people. | Mar 04 20:23 |
| msb | Patent it and license the patent. | Mar 04 20:23 |
| gde33 | take the oil spill for example, Pantone's GEET engine can just run on 80% salt water + some sort of petroleum product | Mar 04 20:24 |
| gde33 | there are about 5000 replications of that | Mar 04 20:24 |
| gde33 | in france they tried to arrest people for using the illegal modification but they just gave up | Mar 04 20:25 |
| msb | Are you sure? I've talked with Pantone and even given him a few dollars. But why would anyone put salt water into an engine or any convertor? | Mar 04 20:25 |
| gde33 | it is a plasma reaction, it doesnt matter what you put in it | Mar 04 20:25 |
| gde33 | it will run on suggar water + old oil | Mar 04 20:26 |
| msb | Sorry, plasma reactions depend very much on what you put in them. | Mar 04 20:26 |
| gde33 | the science just wasn't done on it | Mar 04 20:26 |
| gde33 | no one claims to know what is going on | Mar 04 20:26 |
| gde33 | all we know is that the exhaust is clean air | Mar 04 20:26 |
| msb | He said there's a blue glow, so maybe it's orgone. | Mar 04 20:26 |
| gde33 | that was established by people trying to shut him down | Mar 04 20:26 |
| msb | But they haven't, and he or his son are still teaching classes in it. | Mar 04 20:27 |
| gde33 | he is just a crazy guy of course | Mar 04 20:27 |
| gde33 | we cant expect him to leverage the tech | Mar 04 20:27 |
| gde33 | they put him in a mental institution for 5 years, tortured him into a wheelchair | Mar 04 20:27 |
| msb | Well if it's really giving super gas mileage it should catch on eventually. | Mar 04 20:28 |
| msb | Yes, I know. | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gde33 | he is alergic to peniciline, they gave him daily shots | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gde33 | turning him into a sort of walking corps / zombie | Mar 04 20:28 |
| msb | His mind is fine. | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gde33 | more paranoid than ever | Mar 04 20:28 |
| gde33 | when he started promoting the technology he was actually rich | Mar 04 20:29 |
| msb | With good reason, but still teaching. | Mar 04 20:29 |
| gde33 | he had a lot of houses he rented to people | Mar 04 20:29 |
| gde33 | those all got smashed | Mar 04 20:29 |
| msb | I don't know why the ghouls don't just kill him, but they haven't. Thank Goddess. | Mar 04 20:29 |
| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQjCURl54E | Mar 04 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | NBC shows OIL SPILL SOLUTION, GEET - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gr3mb ] | Mar 04 20:30 | |
| gde33 | MIT build something like it a while back | Mar 04 20:31 |
| gde33 | then it was shut down again lol | Mar 04 20:31 |
| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUNoQLzj00E | Mar 04 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | MIT Plasmatron Principles of the Pantone GEET - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gr3mw ] | Mar 04 20:31 | |
| gde33 | MIT patent is form 1995 | Mar 04 20:36 |
| gde33 | meyer was using something much like it | Mar 04 20:37 |
| gde33 | just to boost efficency ofc | Mar 04 20:38 |
| gde33 | it isnt perpetual motion, there are many unused combusion engine improvements. | Mar 04 20:38 |
| gde33 | a british inventor claims he build one with a single moving part :D | Mar 04 20:38 |
| msb | gde33: Thanks, those videos are encouraging! | Mar 04 20:43 |
| gde33 | it begs to wonder wtf happened? | Mar 04 20:43 |
| msb | Somebody posted to usenet a mod to a lawnmower engine to make it run on water. The sparkplug was replaced by something else, but I can't remember what. I must have a copy of the article somewhere, but so far I haven't found it. | Mar 04 20:44 |
| gde33 | meyer eventually reduced his whole contraption to the size of a spark plug | Mar 04 20:45 |
| msb | Now I remember. It was an oven magnetron, just like in MIlls simple H/He demo. | Mar 04 20:45 |
| msb | I wish Meyer had published it widely. | Mar 04 20:45 |
| gde33 | if the [racing spark plug] spark has enough voltage the engine can run on watter, it is just hard to make it efficent. | Mar 04 20:46 |
| gde33 | I think it was 20 kv, then the amps drop | Mar 04 20:47 |
| msb | If it's over-unity, people would pay attention. If not, it's just a steam engine. 8^) | Mar 04 20:47 |
| msb | ...running on electricity. | Mar 04 20:48 |
| gde33 | have to register it as an electric car | Mar 04 20:48 |
| gde33 | because the exhaust isn't enough to get the offical measurement results. | Mar 04 20:48 |
| gde33 | (exhaust measurements) | Mar 04 20:49 |
| msb | Presumably water engines split the water and use the hydrino effect on the resulting hydrogen. | Mar 04 20:49 |
| msb | But I still worry that hydrinos are toxic. Deuterium oxid -- heavy water -- is. | Mar 04 20:50 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/official-who-set-guidelines-british-internet-porn-filters-arrested-child-porn-charge | Mar 04 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Official Who Set Guidelines For British Internet Porn Filters Arrested On Child Porn Charges | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gr3ug ] | Mar 04 20:51 | |
| Sosumi | if I wanted to get rid of someone | Mar 04 20:52 |
| msb | I used to be on the vortex-l alt. energy list, but the bastard kicked me off for one post supporting someone who posted about energy politics. And after I'd helped him with his list software! | Mar 04 20:52 |
| Sosumi | I'd plant child pron on his computer | Mar 04 20:52 |
| msb | I should download all the archives and see if there's anything interesting there. | Mar 04 20:52 |
| gde33 | msb: controlled opposition | Mar 04 20:52 |
| Sosumi | or modify logs | Mar 04 20:53 |
| msb | Could be. | Mar 04 20:53 |
| msb | Hard to diffentiate between evil and stupidity. | Mar 04 20:53 |
| gde33 | not that hard | Mar 04 20:53 |
| msb | Sosumi: Cracking is something I've never gotten into. | Mar 04 20:54 |
| msb | Sometimes not that hard. | Mar 04 20:54 |
| Sosumi | cracking is a mandatory skill in this day and age | Mar 04 20:54 |
| msb | BlackLight now claims to have something like a hydrino fuel-cell. Quite simple. | Mar 04 20:55 |
| msb | Generates electricity directly. | Mar 04 20:55 |
| gde33 | Sosumi: on the other hand he got what he deserved | Mar 04 20:55 |
| Sosumi | yep | Mar 04 20:56 |
| gde33 | these half truths used to filter the whole web? | Mar 04 20:56 |
| msb | Who did? | Mar 04 20:56 |
| gde33 | the child pornographer internet filter guy | Mar 04 20:56 |
| msb | Haven't heard of that. What did he do? | Mar 04 20:56 |
| gde33 | sosumi just posted a link | Mar 04 20:56 |
| gde33 | http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/07/29/how-internet-in-the-uk-is-sleepwalking-into-censorship/ the filtering isn’t just of porn, rather it includes nine other categories, such as “esoteric material,” “web forums,” and “extremist and terrorist related content.” | Mar 04 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libertyblitzkrieg.com | How Internet in the UK is “Sleepwalking into Censorship” | A Lightning War for Liberty [ http://ur1.ca/gr3y8 ] | Mar 04 20:58 | |
| msb | Esoteric material??? Extremist? Web forums!!! | Mar 04 21:01 |
| msb | Time to start mesh wifi, laser links, DI | Mar 04 21:02 |
| gde33 | haha | Mar 04 21:02 |
| msb | DIY fiber, etc. | Mar 04 21:02 |
| gde33 | yeah! | Mar 04 21:02 |
| gde33 | mesh netwerked drones | Mar 04 21:02 |
| msb | What's that wonderful movie with the "eat me beat me girl" ? | Mar 04 21:03 |
| gde33 | The pirate bay will be hosted on drones if the establishment wants it | Mar 04 21:03 |
| msb | Pump Up The Volume -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/combined | Mar 04 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pump Up the Volume (1990) [ http://ur1.ca/gr3zr ] | Mar 04 21:04 | |
| msb | Christian Slater runs a pirate radio station for highschool kids. Samantha Mathis is the EMBM girl. Super-great movie, and a wonderful kicker at the very end. | Mar 04 21:05 |
| gde33 | ill download it :) | Mar 04 21:18 |
| msb | Great songs, too! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/soundtrack | Mar 04 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pump Up the Volume (1990) - Soundtracks - IMDb [ http://ur1.ca/gr43g ] | Mar 04 21:18 | |
| Sosumi | msb, smoke signals + pattern recognition > all | Mar 04 21:24 |
| msb | Sosumi: ??? | Mar 04 21:25 |
| Sosumi | just joking <msb>: (...) mesh wifi, laser links | Mar 04 21:26 |
| MinceR | msb's dreamland >> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-19-2014/jason-jones-live-from-sochi-ish---better-off-red | Mar 04 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailyshow.com | Jason Jones Live From Sochi-ish - Better Off Red - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 02/19/14 - Video Clip | Comedy Central [ http://ur1.ca/gr45g ] | Mar 04 21:27 | |
| MinceR | and he has the nerve to call others "republican" | Mar 04 21:27 |
| msb | MinceR lies again. I guess he'll never stop. He's obssessed with "commies". "<MinceR> msb's dreamland" | Mar 04 21:36 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 21:36 |
| msb | obsessed | Mar 04 21:36 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 21:36 |
| msb | He just attacks out of the blue, when the discussion has nothing to do with "commies". He's nuts. | Mar 04 21:37 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 21:38 |
| MinceR | he mad. | Mar 04 21:40 |
| MinceR | it's cute how only msb is allowed to attack people. | Mar 04 21:41 |
| MinceR | just like only putin is allowed to attack other countries and only yanukovych and putin are allowed to have unlimited wealth | Mar 04 21:48 |
| gde33 | You are both easily baited, makes for a healthy relationship imho. | Mar 04 21:50 |
| gde33 | hahaha | Mar 04 21:50 |
| gde33 | just use the doctine of universal love | Mar 04 21:51 |
| MinceR | it doesn't work | Mar 04 21:51 |
| gde33 | not for you personally, but it works for everyone arround you | Mar 04 21:51 |
| MinceR | it doesn't really work for anyone | Mar 04 21:52 |
| MinceR | especially so long as the majority is predisposed toward harming everything they can reach | Mar 04 21:52 |
| gde33 | people are mostly a product of their environment | Mar 04 21:52 |
| MinceR | one person doesn't make an environment. | Mar 04 21:53 |
| gde33 | sure, people tried to hurt and punish me for each good dead | Mar 04 21:53 |
| gde33 | thats just who they are | Mar 04 21:53 |
| MinceR | and that's the people you're stuck with. | Mar 04 21:53 |
| gde33 | I'm not going to recompile my whole personality just because some retard posted a dysfunctional patch | Mar 04 21:53 |
| gde33 | I'm not influenced by it | Mar 04 21:54 |
| MinceR | well, not by patches | Mar 04 21:54 |
| MinceR | not necessarily, i mean | Mar 04 21:54 |
| gde33 | I might be stuck with them, they are stuck with themselves. | Mar 04 21:54 |
| gde33 | On the other hand, if humans would live forever I would kill all of them. | Mar 04 21:56 |
| gde33 | all these knee jerks | Mar 04 21:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 04 21:56 |
| gde33 | but why bother? | Mar 04 21:56 |
| MinceR | they'd beat you to it. | Mar 04 21:57 |
| msb | I'm not that easily baited. Once I find that discussion with someone is useless/impossible, I bow out, as I did some hours ago. But when he directly lies about me, I may correct it. | Mar 04 21:57 |
| gde33 | nah they are much to dumb | Mar 04 21:57 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 21:57 |
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| gde33 | I always encurage people who lie about me | Mar 04 21:57 |
| MinceR | does it work? | Mar 04 21:58 |
| gde33 | sure, I'm having a ton of fun | Mar 04 21:58 |
| gde33 | it is not like such efforts accumulate to anything | Mar 04 21:58 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll give it a try | Mar 04 21:59 |
| gde33 | If I admire the person, then their opinion may be upsetting. | Mar 04 22:03 |
| gde33 | but only in relevant context :D | Mar 04 22:03 |
| MinceR | http://ct.fra.bz/il/fz/se/i37/2/7/9/f_9bb5c4815d.jpg | Mar 04 22:19 |
| gde33 | haha | Mar 04 22:19 |
| MinceR | http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-1-10-americans-html-std-study-finds-20140304,0,1188415.story#axzz2v1QcBT6r | Mar 04 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latimes.com | 1 in 10 Americans think HTML is an STD, study finds - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/gr4lo ] | Mar 04 22:22 | |
| Sosumi | yes | Mar 04 22:24 |
| Sosumi | use plain txt only | Mar 04 22:24 |
| Sosumi | *text | Mar 04 22:24 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 04 22:25 |
| gde33 | hyper sex | Mar 04 22:26 |
| MinceR | :D | Mar 04 22:26 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Mar 04 22:30 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 04 22:30 |
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| MinceR | gn | Mar 04 23:39 |
| gde33 | I just noticed how easy you can find people endorsing drone killings on the internet. | Mar 04 23:51 |
| gde33 | Apparently they have no imagination, a few decades from now they will be the first targets. | Mar 04 23:51 |
| gde33 | When everyone has one | Mar 04 23:52 |
| gde33 | https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/25/tried-silence-drone-victim-kareem-khan/ | Mar 04 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | Who Tried to Silence Drone Victim Kareem Khan? - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gr5c1 ] | Mar 04 23:53 | |
| gde33 | if they can abduct people from their house just like that they dont even need drones | Mar 04 23:53 |
| gde33 | they seem not to grasp how nasty these things are | Mar 04 23:55 |
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| Samizdat | great God Jesus, there is some life left on IRC | Mar 05 05:46 |
| Samizdat | (we think there is, anyway -- we'll reserve final judgment for whether there's any posts but these two of mine over the next, say -- what's a fair number -- twelve hours) | Mar 05 05:48 |
| Samizdat | pardons, make that three: we said "mine" but meant to say "ours" | Mar 05 05:52 |
| tessier | Samizdat: eh? | Mar 05 06:18 |
| tessier | There is no God Jesus btw. That's just a myth. | Mar 05 06:19 |
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| MinceR | :> | Mar 05 06:53 |
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| msb | I think there was a Jesus, said some good things. But not a god. | Mar 05 07:09 |
| msb | If You Use That Which Is Within You, Nothing Outside Of You Can Harm You. If You Do Not Use That Which Is Within You, Nothing Outside Of You Can Save You. ~ Jesus, the Christ in The Gospel of Thomas | Mar 05 07:13 |
| msb | Some Cathars believed that Jesus had been a manifestation of spirit unbounded by the limitations of matter -- a sort of divine spirit or feeling manifesting within human beings. Many embraced the Gospel of John as their most sacred text, and many rejected the traditional view of the Old Testament -- proclaiming that the God of the Old Testament was really the devil, or creative demiurge. They proclaimed that there was a higher God -- the | Mar 05 07:16 |
| msb | True God -- and Jesus was or is the messenger. ... | Mar 05 07:16 |
| msb | . | Mar 05 07:17 |
| msb | The God found in the Old Testament had nothing to do with the God of Love known to Cathars. The Old Testament God had created the world as a prison, and demanded from the "prisoners" fearful obedience and worship. This false god was in reality -- claimed the Cathari -- a blind usurper who under the most false pretexts, tormented and murdered those whom he called, all too possessively, "his children". The false god was, by the Cathari, | Mar 05 07:17 |
| msb | called Rex Mundi, or The King of the World. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars | Mar 05 07:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Catharism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Mar 05 07:17 | |
| msb | . | Mar 05 07:17 |
| msb | 38:58 The container was buried somewhere in the Middle East eons ago by ... the father of Satan, a god who once walked the Earth before Man but was somehow banished to the dark side. Apparently the father buried his son inside the container. Now later on here, Christ comes to warn us. He was of extraterrestrial ancestry but a human-like race. 40:35 Finally they determined Christ is crazy, but he's also gaining power, converting a lot | Mar 05 07:18 |
| msb | of people to his beliefs, so they kill him. But his disciples keep the secret and hide it from civilization until man could develop a science sophisticated enough to prove what Christ was saying. -- Prince of Darkness -- John Carpenter | Mar 05 07:18 |
| msb | Prince of Darkness is a wonderful movie! | Mar 05 07:19 |
| msb | Written and directed by John Carpenter (a JC). | Mar 05 07:20 |
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| zoot | hern | Mar 05 09:02 |
| msb | gde33: Ping! | Mar 05 09:09 |
| zoot | gde33: Ping! | Mar 05 09:12 |
| gde33 | hey | Mar 05 09:14 |
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| msb | gde33: just wondering if you're seeing that stuff I posted about Jesus/Cathars about 2 hours ago. | Mar 05 09:16 |
| gde33 | sure | Mar 05 09:16 |
| msb | Cool! It occurred to me to wonder if a certain person with op privileges might be playing tricks. | Mar 05 09:17 |
| msb | I don't know much about IRC. | Mar 05 09:18 |
| gde33 | you can always open the web chat and see if your messages are showing up | Mar 05 09:19 |
| msb | I did that, but only after I had posted the stuff, so it's not there. But what I'm typing now is. | Mar 05 09:19 |
| gde33 | are you trying to make some sort of point with the quote? It seems to escape me. | Mar 05 09:20 |
| msb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars | Mar 05 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Catharism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Mar 05 09:23 | |
| msb | The Cathars were all systematically murdered by the Catholic Church/Pope(s). | Mar 05 09:23 |
| msb | No specific point. Somebody mentioned Jesus a couple hours before so I thought I'd post some info about him that I find quite interesting. | Mar 05 09:24 |
| gde33 | It reminds me of: Think twice before joining an organisation because you will be held responsible for the deeds of others. | Mar 05 09:25 |
| gde33 | After you sign up you have no excuse | Mar 05 09:25 |
| msb | The Cathars too found the god of the OT/NT to be a genocidal psychopath. | Mar 05 09:25 |
| msb | organization being the Cathars? | Mar 05 09:26 |
| gde33 | sure, that was the success formula | Mar 05 09:26 |
| gde33 | any organisation | Mar 05 09:26 |
| msb | On our planet, people are often murdered for telling the truth. | Mar 05 09:27 |
| msb | Pandemic psychopathy | Mar 05 09:27 |
| gde33 | telling the truth isn't free :P | Mar 05 09:27 |
| gde33 | the thing we lack is people killing the liars | Mar 05 09:28 |
| msb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdY | Mar 05 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ] | Mar 05 09:28 | |
| msb | Widespread use of critical thinking would render the liars powerless. Much better than killing them. | Mar 05 09:29 |
| msb | Killing them sets a bad example, because the criteria for choosing those to be killed -- or for detecting liars -- are quite complex. | Mar 05 09:31 |
| msb | That's why we have trials by jury. | Mar 05 09:31 |
| gde33 | ironically, I see the lack of a link to the documentary here as an act of psychopathy/lack of empathy | Mar 05 09:32 |
| msb | lack of a link to what documentary? | Mar 05 09:32 |
| gde33 | ? | Mar 05 09:33 |
| msb | The Verstappen docu that I just posted about? | Mar 05 09:33 |
| gde33 | it talks about the documentary without linking to it | Mar 05 09:34 |
| gde33 | that is how intelligence agencies kill things online | Mar 05 09:34 |
| gde33 | talk about them all over the web, but never link to it | Mar 05 09:34 |
| gde33 | it is a small thing to do | Mar 05 09:35 |
| gde33 | but at the end of the day the link is what makes or kills online presence | Mar 05 09:35 |
| msb | Do you mean Verstappen's docu "Defense Against the Psychopath" ? | Mar 05 09:36 |
| gde33 | I'm not going to explain how the internet works, sorry | Mar 05 09:38 |
| gde33 | it's to much work, and to obvious | Mar 05 09:38 |
| gde33 | if there is a link: then people can visit a website | Mar 05 09:38 |
| gde33 | if there is no link: then they cant | Mar 05 09:38 |
| gde33 | no link = death | Mar 05 09:38 |
| msb | If that's the documentary you mean, it's easy to find with a search of Youtube. It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgGyvxqYSbE | Mar 05 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Defense Against the Psychopath (Full length Version) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grab6 ] | Mar 05 09:39 | |
| gde33 | is global research tv your channel? | Mar 05 09:40 |
| msb | No. | Mar 05 09:40 |
| gde33 | omg I'm so confused you dont get what I mean | Mar 05 09:40 |
| gde33 | where to begin..... | Mar 05 09:40 |
| gde33 | how do you think things get popular online? | Mar 05 09:40 |
| gde33 | by telling people to search in google? that is how people first find facebook etc by searching in google? | Mar 05 09:41 |
| gde33 | or is it that face book has billions of links pointing at it? | Mar 05 09:41 |
| gde33 | could it be significant? | Mar 05 09:42 |
| gde33 | I have something like 20 thousand web pages, no one ever bothered to link to any of them. | Mar 05 09:42 |
| msb | Looks like it's run by CRG or by James Corbett (who's connected with CRG). | Mar 05 09:42 |
| gde33 | everyone is basically working really hard to make the corporate owned internet | Mar 05 09:42 |
| gde33 | the PSYCHO WEB | Mar 05 09:42 |
| gde33 | if you look at news articles | Mar 05 09:43 |
| msb | True. But once a person contacts one site of alternative news, it leads to others. | Mar 05 09:43 |
| gde33 | you often see them carefully avoid linking to the things they talk about | Mar 05 09:43 |
| gde33 | it was just an example | Mar 05 09:44 |
| gde33 | msb: the guy who did the interview never even considered helping to promote the documentary!! | Mar 05 09:45 |
| gde33 | maybe that is a bit over the hill, he does mention it | Mar 05 09:46 |
| msb | Corbett's a very good guy. I'm sure that was just an oversight. | Mar 05 09:46 |
| gde33 | sure, and as a single event it isn't a big deal | Mar 05 09:46 |
| gde33 | but when hundreds of millions of people do this..... | Mar 05 09:47 |
| gde33 | then soon you will have only face book | Mar 05 09:47 |
| gde33 | maybe it is just me, that idea just horrifies me | Mar 05 09:48 |
| gde33 | more on topic, psychopaths are just psychopaths | Mar 05 09:49 |
| gde33 | we should apperciate who they are, we have the technology to establish the condition | Mar 05 09:49 |
| gde33 | they are not to blame for anything | Mar 05 09:49 |
| gde33 | people who want to be ruled by them are the real problem | Mar 05 09:50 |
| msb | Psychopaths employ a lot of deceptions in order to rule people. Bernays instructed them how to do it on a large scale. | Mar 05 09:51 |
| gde33 | that is because we demand they act that way | Mar 05 09:51 |
| gde33 | we demand they act against their nature | Mar 05 09:51 |
| gde33 | mimic our emotions | Mar 05 09:51 |
| gde33 | the skepticism about how incredibly easy it is to detect the condition is evidence of psychopathy in it self | Mar 05 09:52 |
| gde33 | the high grade psycho doesnt even have brain activity in emotional context | Mar 05 09:53 |
| gde33 | the brain just rewires it self when parts fail | Mar 05 09:54 |
| msb | I just tried to post a comment to Corbett's interview of Verstappen, but it turns out that youtube prevents posting URLS to youtube. | Mar 05 09:56 |
| msb | Now I have to put the link on my site. brb | Mar 05 09:56 |
| gde33 | I think it should work? | Mar 05 09:57 |
| gde33 | good point tho :) | Mar 05 09:58 |
| gde33 | I've posted a link under the video :) | Mar 05 09:59 |
| gde33 | will put it on my website to :D | Mar 05 09:59 |
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| msb | OK the link is up on my site -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/ | Mar 05 10:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Mar 05 10:09 | |
| gde33 | http://www.chinastrategies.com/defenseagainstpsychopath.pdf | Mar 05 10:09 |
| gde33 | from under the docu | Mar 05 10:09 |
| msb | Thanks! Don't think I have that. | Mar 05 10:11 |
| gde33 | at 30 min he claims you cant measure it | Mar 05 10:11 |
| gde33 | as if punching people in the face or piles of dead bodies isnt good enough | Mar 05 10:11 |
| msb | Wow, how nice of SV to publish a free summary of his book! Of course, good advertising too. | Mar 05 10:16 |
| msb | gde33: Where did you post a link? | Mar 05 10:18 |
| gde33 | still working on it | Mar 05 10:19 |
| gde33 | http://blog.go-here.nl/8577 | Mar 05 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.go-here.nl | Defense Against the Psychopath - Stefan Verstappen | Mar 05 10:20 | |
| msb | Wow! Very pretty site! | Mar 05 10:22 |
| gde33 | yours is nice too :) | Mar 05 10:25 |
| gde33 | pandemic psychopathy is a good description | Mar 05 10:25 |
| gde33 | I had an idea long ago to make prisons more like normal life | Mar 05 10:26 |
| msb | Oh you have got a lot of great stuff under "Transmutation" ! Do you know about Iwamura's work? | Mar 05 10:27 |
| gde33 | give them a house, a job or some opportunity to start a business | Mar 05 10:27 |
| gde33 | not really, looking at it now | Mar 05 10:27 |
| msb | If poor homeless starving people had a place on a collective (co-op) farm, they wouldn't go into crime. | Mar 05 10:27 |
| gde33 | My idea was to make prison less of a big deal | Mar 05 10:28 |
| gde33 | the senteces would be much longer of course | Mar 05 10:28 |
| msb | 308 hits searching for Iwamura in lenr-canr.org | Mar 05 10:29 |
| gde33 | they put abusive prisoners in isolation, but it isn't much of a punishment if they already live in isolation | Mar 05 10:29 |
| msb | He flows deuterium gas through a thin film of metal on some kind of weird substrate, and the metal transmutes! Room temperature, no neutrons etc needed. | Mar 05 10:30 |
| gde33 | sure | Mar 05 10:30 |
| msb | There is something very special about deuterons. | Mar 05 10:30 |
| gde33 | one alchemist wrote some stuff about animals, cant remember who or what precicely | Mar 05 10:31 |
| gde33 | chickens make a whole bunch of stuff that should technically be impossible | Mar 05 10:31 |
| gde33 | sadly cant remember what it was, it could have been calcium | Mar 05 10:31 |
| msb | I think it was that their eggshells have more calcium than they get in their diet. | Mar 05 10:32 |
| gde33 | something like that | Mar 05 10:32 |
| gde33 | it was a diet without the molecule he described | Mar 05 10:32 |
| gde33 | even with zero calcium they end up having it | Mar 05 10:33 |
| gde33 | then they eat the old egg shells | Mar 05 10:33 |
| msb | http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue34/bookreview_biotrans.html | Mar 05 10:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infinite-energy.com | Book Review: Biological Transmutations by C.Louis Kervran [ http://ur1.ca/gras6 ] | Mar 05 10:33 | |
| gde33 | ah yes, that was it | Mar 05 10:34 |
| gde33 | that guy at least | Mar 05 10:34 |
| msb | That's the book I read about. Reviewed in poor murdered Mallove's magazine. | Mar 05 10:35 |
| gde33 | malove might be dead, he is still twitching :P | Mar 05 10:35 |
| msb | Just a robbery my ass! | Mar 05 10:35 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 05 10:36 |
| msb | Years ago I used to deny stuff like that with great superiority. That was before cold fusion, BlackLight, and Iwamura. | Mar 05 10:38 |
| msb | This guy has a couple of great videos on youtube: http://www.sheldrake.org/about-rupert-sheldrake/frequently-asked-questions | Mar 05 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sheldrake.org | Frequently Asked Questions [ http://ur1.ca/grau4 ] | Mar 05 10:41 | |
| msb | Rupert Sheldrake. For example, he mentions that the speed of light does vary! Scientists just ignore it! | Mar 05 10:42 |
| msb | He has about 20 major weird things that mainstream science ignores. | Mar 05 10:43 |
| msb | The same guy who figured out exactly how the WTC towers were blown up told me about Sheldrake. | Mar 05 10:43 |
| gde33 | msb: I'm doing so many things at the same time I'm not doing anything anymore lol | Mar 05 10:55 |
| msb | I know what you mean. I was just searching by bookmarks for sheldrake, and found a whole lot of stuff I'd forgotten about. | Mar 05 10:56 |
| gde33 | hehe, I was thinking, we could make an organisation called "KILL THE PSYCHO!" | Mar 05 10:58 |
| gde33 | then openly and publicly describe who should be killed and why | Mar 05 10:58 |
| gde33 | eventually one would end up in court :D | Mar 05 10:58 |
| gde33 | it will be interesting to hear the defense | Mar 05 10:59 |
| gde33 | then just reply that their name is on the list now | Mar 05 11:00 |
| gde33 | it is of course not allowed to murder people, the only exception is if it is in self defense | Mar 05 11:01 |
| gde33 | tell me what other jobs Bush created except from killing brown people in Iraq or Afghanistan etc? | Mar 05 11:01 |
| msb | Problem is, about 1 person in 22 meets the criteria of Hare et al for being a psychopath, and a further 1 in 10 are borderline. That makes 1 out of 7 total. | Mar 05 11:03 |
| gde33 | man, look at the bright side, we woud have 6 people left | Mar 05 11:03 |
| gde33 | that is more than enough | Mar 05 11:03 |
| msb | eva '1/(1/22 + .1)' 6.875 | Mar 05 11:03 |
| gde33 | make a nice hole in the ground, then put the 1 billion psychopaths in the hole | Mar 05 11:04 |
| gde33 | 3) proffit! | Mar 05 11:04 |
| msb | No. The trauma of all that killing would create more psychopaths. It would cause people to armor up. | Mar 05 11:05 |
| gde33 | we can use some of them to do the hard work | Mar 05 11:05 |
| gde33 | they will show you how easy it is | Mar 05 11:06 |
| msb | Hey, wanna talk via skype? | Mar 05 11:06 |
| gde33 | I dont use voice chat sorry | Mar 05 11:06 |
| msb | Why not? | Mar 05 11:06 |
| gde33 | I'm not really planning to kill anyone, I'm just exploring the hypothesis | Mar 05 11:06 |
| msb | Are you an ET with a lousy vocoder? | Mar 05 11:06 |
| gde33 | hahaha | Mar 05 11:07 |
| gde33 | my universal translator is teh suck | Mar 05 11:07 |
| msb | Well, you're *writing* about it here. | Mar 05 11:07 |
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| gde33 | sorry, what do you mean? | Mar 05 11:07 |
| msb | which may even get archived if Roy gets around to it. | Mar 05 11:07 |
| gde33 | sure, I dont mind | Mar 05 11:07 |
| msb | Voice is less traceable. | Mar 05 11:08 |
| msb | It's just nice to talk with an intelligent friendly person. I like to talk on the phone. But you're in NL? | Mar 05 11:09 |
| gde33 | my moto is to treat people just a bit kinder than the way they treat others | Mar 05 11:09 |
| msb | That's good! | Mar 05 11:09 |
| msb | A kindred spirit is the phrase I was looking for. | Mar 05 11:09 |
| gde33 | if one would kill "just" a few dozen people just for the pleasure of the kill, then one just deserve to be murdered. | Mar 05 11:10 |
| gde33 | it would be rude not to | Mar 05 11:10 |
| msb | A good society would deal with anatomical psychopaths in ways that would prevent them from doing harm. And it wouldn't produce programmed psychopaths at all. | Mar 05 11:12 |
| gde33 | indeed | Mar 05 11:12 |
| msb | First step: get rid of JCI religion. | Mar 05 11:12 |
| gde33 | we should aperciate who they are | Mar 05 11:12 |
| msb | The Cathars were absolutely right. | Mar 05 11:12 |
| gde33 | dont put them in leadership positions | Mar 05 11:12 |
| gde33 | they dont have empathy, you might as well write a software to rule you | Mar 05 11:13 |
| msb | Or allow them to swindle people. | Mar 05 11:13 |
| msb | Bad software. | Mar 05 11:13 |
| gde33 | bad? | Mar 05 11:13 |
| msb | Software that fucks you over. | Mar 05 11:13 |
| gde33 | evil software | Mar 05 11:14 |
| msb | yep | Mar 05 11:14 |
| gde33 | skynet is supper efficent, nothing bad about it from a software perspective, moar like a huge accomplishment :P | Mar 05 11:14 |
| gde33 | there are other interesting aspects to big government | Mar 05 11:16 |
| msb | Yeah, they're now gonna make AI controlled drones, that decide who to kill. | Mar 05 11:16 |
| gde33 | indeed | Mar 05 11:16 |
| gde33 | On a small scale one might have to chose between sleeping or working for example. | Mar 05 11:16 |
| msb | What could possibly go wrong? | Mar 05 11:16 |
| msb | ? | Mar 05 11:17 |
| gde33 | on a bigger scale one might have to chose between something like 1 000 000 people not sleeping or killing one person | Mar 05 11:17 |
| msb | I'm not following. What's the connection with sleeping? | Mar 05 11:17 |
| gde33 | it is a crude example | Mar 05 11:17 |
| gde33 | the choices are not realistic, just to compare things | Mar 05 11:18 |
| gde33 | if it is one night we should all stay awake | Mar 05 11:18 |
| Sosumi | http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_goes_up_for_preorder_on_orange_romania-news-7965.php | Mar 05 11:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Samsung Galaxy S5 goes up for pre-order for €699 - GSMArena.com news [ http://ur1.ca/grb9h ] | Mar 05 11:18 | |
| Sosumi | just expensive as the hypePhone | Mar 05 11:18 |
| Sosumi | no thank you, nexus 5 all the way | Mar 05 11:18 |
| gde33 | msb: but say the choice is between a million people going without sleep for 5 days or killing one person | Mar 05 11:19 |
| Sosumi | or by the time, nexus 6 | Mar 05 11:19 |
| gde33 | msb: what would be the correct decision? | Mar 05 11:19 |
| msb | gde33: I still don't get it. How would such a situation arise? | Mar 05 11:19 |
| gde33 | msb: decision making gets increasingly weird when more people are involved | Mar 05 11:20 |
| gde33 | the example I gave is a simplification | Mar 05 11:20 |
| msb | The problem is, if you kill even one psychopath (except in immediate self-defense), then all the others point to you as an evil killer. | Mar 05 11:20 |
| gde33 | I'm refering to the why we have psycho's in leadership positions. | Mar 05 11:21 |
| gde33 | say you are running a hospital, you have to chose between a big treatment for one person or a small one for many | Mar 05 11:21 |
| msb | Well, that's because they lie, cheat, steal, and murder their way into leadership. | Mar 05 11:22 |
| gde33 | such decisions eat away on your soul | Mar 05 11:22 |
| gde33 | that is why the psycho does so much better, he doesn't have one | Mar 05 11:22 |
| gde33 | he will just chose whaterver | Mar 05 11:22 |
| msb | No such choice needs to be made. We have huge resources. We only have to stop giving 99% of the wealth to 1% of the people. | Mar 05 11:23 |
| gde33 | it is indeed that simple | Mar 05 11:23 |
| msb | This is worth watching! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY | Mar 05 11:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | David Korten - The Great Turning - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grbde ] | Mar 05 11:25 | |
| gde33 | the problem with dividing the wealth is that most people only care how much they are getting | Mar 05 11:26 |
| gde33 | that is why it wont happen | Mar 05 11:26 |
| msb | http://www.davidkorten.org/great-turning | Mar 05 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidkorten.org | The Great Turning: An Epic Passage | Living Economies Forum | Mar 05 11:26 | |
| msb | In fact, most people would get more than they have now! | Mar 05 11:27 |
| gde33 | yes, but as long as they only care about themselves they wont get anything | Mar 05 11:28 |
| msb | Sosumi: Sorry, don't mean to ignore you -- we're trying to save the world. | Mar 05 11:28 |
| gde33 | :D | Mar 05 11:29 |
| Sosumi | build an AI | Mar 05 11:29 |
| Sosumi | give it all the management functions | Mar 05 11:29 |
| Sosumi | and no more you will have to concern yourself with the short sighted views and interests of figure heads and pathological liars | Mar 05 11:30 |
| msb | We already _have_ robots in most management positions! | Mar 05 11:30 |
| gde33 | Sosumi: or you end up making them permanent | Mar 05 11:31 |
| Sosumi | not permanent, at least not now | Mar 05 11:31 |
| Sosumi | but at least use it as a decisions support instrument | Mar 05 11:31 |
| msb | People need to become more conscious. Total legalization of cannabis would help a lot! | Mar 05 11:31 |
| Sosumi | winners don't do drugs | Mar 05 11:32 |
| gde33 | Sosumi: AI has no empathy, no reason to think it will be any more humaine than our worse psychopath | Mar 05 11:32 |
| msb | A sane society doesn't have "winners" and "losers". | Mar 05 11:32 |
| Sosumi | AI doesn't need empathy, it just needs to be reasonous | Mar 05 11:33 |
| gde33 | it seems you are unaware how much drugs the so called finanical independent use | Mar 05 11:33 |
| gde33 | the mega loads of cocaine that are needed to run the US economy | Mar 05 11:33 |
| msb | If only they would switch to psychedelics! | Mar 05 11:34 |
| Sosumi | I knows about Bush senior and the CIA drug trade | Mar 05 11:34 |
| Sosumi | no worries | Mar 05 11:34 |
| Sosumi | Cocaine Importing Agency | Mar 05 11:34 |
| msb | Wasn't junior caught with 10 tons of coke in a plane he was flying. | Mar 05 11:34 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Mar 05 11:35 |
| msb | Maybe it was 10 pounds, I forget. | Mar 05 11:35 |
| Sosumi | all I know about junior is that he's the amrican Boris Yeltsin | Mar 05 11:35 |
| Sosumi | aka drunkard | Mar 05 11:35 |
| msb | Wasn't Hunter S Thompson murdered because he knew about "W" fucking or killing some kids? | Mar 05 11:36 |
| Sosumi | never heard of that | Mar 05 11:36 |
| msb | Shot himself in the head twice my ass! | Mar 05 11:37 |
| gde33 | I call that professional suicide | Mar 05 11:37 |
| msb | Yeah, IIRC he'd helped make a movie of it. | Mar 05 11:37 |
| msb | Dedication | Mar 05 11:37 |
| msb | I was a teen in the '60s. Cannabis helped a whole lot! | Mar 05 11:39 |
| msb | Helped deprogram people, so they protested and ended the Vietnam War. | Mar 05 11:40 |
| gde33 | think about it, where did clintons millions come from? | Mar 05 11:40 |
| msb | Yeah, it wasn't from pimping out Hillary. | Mar 05 11:40 |
| gde33 | After graduating from Yale Law School, Clinton returned to Arkansas and became a law professor at the University of Arkansas. A year later, he ran for the House of Representatives in 1974. | Mar 05 11:42 |
| gde33 | must be some serious money in being a law professor for 1 year | Mar 05 11:42 |
| msb | The great movie "The Net" with Sandra Bullock, includes that business where a high govt official shoots himself in a park, like Hillary's boyfriend. | Mar 05 11:42 |
| gde33 | ? | Mar 05 11:43 |
| msb | Vince Foster | Mar 05 11:44 |
| msb | http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.php | Mar 05 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whatreallyhappened.com | The Death of Vincent Foster | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED [ http://ur1.ca/grblk ] | Mar 05 11:45 | |
| msb | Michael Rivero is a good guy! I used to argue with him back when I was ignorant. | Mar 05 11:45 |
| gde33 | haha, I remember being ignorant about homeopathy, until I tried some myself. | Mar 05 11:46 |
| msb | Anyhow, The Net is a wonderful movie. Sandra Bullock is the love of my life. Also Joanna Cassidy. | Mar 05 11:47 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 05 11:47 |
| msb | Yeah, they fight over me. | Mar 05 11:47 |
| gde33 | for the record I wanted to add: I;'m totally download it from pirate bay | Mar 05 11:48 |
| msb | Nah, you wouldn't do anything illegal like that. | Mar 05 11:48 |
| gde33 | I download whatever I like | Mar 05 11:49 |
| msb | The whole US is represented by a sick bird -- an ill eagle. | Mar 05 11:49 |
| gde33 | a cooked goose | Mar 05 11:50 |
| msb | That movie is about computers and programming BTW -- a must see. | Mar 05 11:50 |
| gde33 | but the world isn't all bad | Mar 05 11:50 |
| msb | Our pineal glands manufacture DMT! | Mar 05 11:51 |
| msb | Also melatonin. | Mar 05 11:52 |
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| gde33 | the download finished | Mar 05 11:52 |
| msb | That's why the govt puts fluoride in the water. Calcifies the pineal gland so it doesn't work anymore. | Mar 05 11:53 |
| gde33 | damn my internets are so fast :D | Mar 05 11:53 |
| msb | Really! | Mar 05 11:53 |
| msb | Hey, The Net is in YIFY. They're the best. Or so I'm told. | Mar 05 11:54 |
| gde33 | never used it, there are so many | Mar 05 11:55 |
| msb | All 264 and huge resolution with small file size. | Mar 05 11:56 |
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| gde33 | such criminality | Mar 05 11:57 |
| gde33 | how dare they | Mar 05 11:57 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 05 11:59 |
| msb | And you, my dear friend | Mar 05 11:59 |
| msb | OK, good time to heat up some dinner. brb | Mar 05 12:03 |
| gde33 | MinceR: hi | Mar 05 12:09 |
| MinceR | hay | Mar 05 12:09 |
| gde33 | MinceR: how are you doing saving the world? | Mar 05 12:16 |
| gde33 | making progress? | Mar 05 12:16 |
| MinceR | not really | Mar 05 12:16 |
| gde33 | I was pondering brainscanning the politican for psychopathy | Mar 05 12:18 |
| gde33 | I think the chinese might go for it if it is presented proprly | Mar 05 12:18 |
| MinceR | interesting method to shut down the government of the PRC :> | Mar 05 12:23 |
| gde33 | it should be effective | Mar 05 12:28 |
| gde33 | their system is all about leadership qualities | Mar 05 12:28 |
| msb | Enjoying dinner -- Chinese coincidentally -- and *not* taking the bait. | Mar 05 12:29 |
| gde33 | at least that is their argument | Mar 05 12:29 |
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| msb | http://hf.dilbert.com/2014-03-03/ | Mar 05 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hf.dilbert.com | The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! | Mar 05 12:55 | |
| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2014/03/05/apple-confidential-nokia-terms-sanction-samsung/ | Mar 05 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Released Confidential License Terms with Nokia While Sanctioning Samsung for Role in Leaks - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/grc7t ] | Mar 05 12:55 | |
| Sosumi | nokia, lol | Mar 05 12:55 |
| Sosumi | now a patent troll and a M$ tentacle | Mar 05 12:56 |
| Sosumi | not that samsung is any good aka paying the android tax and the gods know what they add to the default android OS | Mar 05 12:56 |
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| Sosumi | msb, Hillary doesn't have a boyfriend | Mar 05 13:48 |
| Sosumi | she has a girlfriend, | Mar 05 13:49 |
| Sosumi | and from the badmouths around | Mar 05 13:49 |
| Sosumi | it used to be her assistant | Mar 05 13:49 |
| gde33 | she was an MKULTRA girl | Mar 05 13:49 |
| gde33 | trained to be the wife of some offical | Mar 05 13:49 |
| Sosumi | no wonder poor Billy Clinton went for Monica | Mar 05 13:50 |
| Sosumi | Monica | Mar 05 13:50 |
| gde33 | it seems clinton raped every girl he cound get his hands on | Mar 05 13:50 |
| Sosumi | much sexier than Hitlery Clington | Mar 05 13:50 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 05 13:50 |
| gde33 | much like kenedy | Mar 05 13:50 |
| MinceR | Hillarious Clinton | Mar 05 13:50 |
| Sosumi | http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_05/Behind-Ukraine-snipers-was-not-Yanukovych-but-new-coalition-Estonian-FM-to-Ashton-5154/ | Mar 05 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com | Kiev snipers hired by new coalition, not Yanukovych - Estonian FM to Ashton - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/grcrw ] | Mar 05 13:52 | |
| Sosumi | so what? blackwater? | Mar 05 13:52 |
| Sosumi | or other PMC | Mar 05 13:52 |
| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846vrwYecaQ | Mar 05 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Mind Control Out Of Control MK ULTRA Cathy O'Brien PT 1 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grcss ] | Mar 05 13:54 | |
| MinceR | http://s4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/03/05/6/1394007785_1624858475.jpeg | Mar 05 14:17 |
| gde33 | thats so funny in our war oriented culture | Mar 05 14:19 |
| gde33 | I remember when he put the nuclear destroyers next to warsingtoon | Mar 05 14:19 |
| gde33 | or whatever kind of nuke boats it were | Mar 05 14:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 14:25 |
| gde33 | imagine all the tears if he would have nuked all the lobbyists | Mar 05 14:25 |
| gde33 | look how we apparently need an american news slut to represent putin http://news.yahoo.com/putin-speaks-tough-ukraine-204103947.html | Mar 05 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Putin speaks tough on Ukraine - Yahoo News [ http://ur1.ca/grd61 ] | Mar 05 14:30 | |
| gde33 | they have his press conferance in the background | Mar 05 14:31 |
| gde33 | without sound | Mar 05 14:31 |
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| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uscjzJDNOpU | Mar 05 14:36 |
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| msb | gde33: Hi! I'm back. Slept for a while. | Mar 05 18:15 |
| Sosumi | msb = master sleeper on the bench | Mar 05 18:44 |
| Sosumi | welcome back | Mar 05 18:45 |
| msb | thanx! -- watching kat movie on gde33's site -- http://blog.go-here.nl/8564 | Mar 05 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.go-here.nl | The Private Life of a Cat | Mar 05 18:46 | |
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| msb | gde33: That great cat video can be downloaded using youtube-dl from http://www.theatlantic.com/video/archive/2013/04/this-is-the-best-experimental-film-about-cats-ever-made/275231/ | Mar 05 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | This Is the Best Experimental Film About Cats Ever Made - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/grg8l ] | Mar 05 19:11 | |
| Sosumi | http://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Attempt-To-Convert-Users-From-XP-Backfires-Thanks-To-Low-Loyalty-Limited-Benefits/ | Mar 05 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hothardware.com | Microsoft's Attempt To Convert Users From Windows XP Backfires Thanks To Low Loyalty, Limited Benefits - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/grgax ] | Mar 05 19:16 | |
| Sosumi | kde is just like the XP GUI | Mar 05 19:17 |
| Sosumi | but better | Mar 05 19:17 |
| Sosumi | so, no reason to cling on XP | Mar 05 19:17 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Mar 05 19:20 |
| msb | KDE3 is better than KDE4, because 3 has badly messed up the multiple desktops. | Mar 05 19:21 |
| msb | KDE3 is better than KDE4, because 4 has badly messed up the multiple desktops. | Mar 05 19:21 |
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| msb | OpenSuse still provides KDE3, or you can get the TDE fork of KDE3 for various distros: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ | Mar 05 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.trinitydesktop.org | Trinity Desktop Environment | Mar 05 19:23 | |
| cubezzz | OR | Mar 05 19:24 |
| cubezzz | openbsd :) | Mar 05 19:24 |
| MinceR | or xfce :> | Mar 05 19:25 |
| msb | Are the xfce desktops persistent across reboots? | Mar 05 19:26 |
| cubezzz | even the latest openbsd supports KDE 3 | Mar 05 19:28 |
| msb | The ones in KDE3/TDE are named, persistent, and you can have up to 20 of them. And across reboots the desktops will come up with the same konsoles and other k-programs in each that they had when you logged out. | Mar 05 19:29 |
| msb | Although the konsoles are not opened to both the directories that they were before, only one. | Mar 05 19:30 |
| MinceR | msb: not sure, i have session management enabled but i tend to quit everything before logging out | Mar 05 19:35 |
| MinceR | https://31.media.tumblr.com/49c19bf189a0c6f3e2e1d3186ef7e856/tumblr_n1z2oaAsJd1qzc98qo1_500.jpg | Mar 05 19:35 |
| msb | Cute | Mar 05 19:36 |
| msb | youtube-dl is great! Needs only python. Sometimes works when VideoDownloader's balls aren't even rotating, eg, for that cat video. http://youtube-dl.org/ | Mar 05 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-youtube-dl.org | youtube-dl | Mar 05 19:43 | |
| MinceR | http://cheezburger.com/8090671616 | Mar 05 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cheezburger.com | Scumbag Putin - Cheezburger | Mar 05 19:46 | |
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| Sosumi | for some reason I kind of ended up preferring kde | Mar 05 19:47 |
| Sosumi | it has everything out of the box | Mar 05 19:47 |
| Sosumi | and works well overall | Mar 05 19:48 |
| MinceR | i used kde a lot | Mar 05 19:48 |
| MinceR | but kde4 put me off it | Mar 05 19:48 |
| msb | Yep. I was told that the kde4 feature set was chosen by focus groups populated by MS-Windows users. I think KDE4 was a MS attempt to sabotage Linux. | Mar 05 19:56 |
| Sosumi | wasn't that gnome | Mar 05 19:57 |
| cubezzz | that's just history repeating itself | Mar 05 19:57 |
| cubezzz | the KDE 1 people didn't like KDE 2 :) | Mar 05 19:57 |
| Sosumi | with the inclusion of mono | Mar 05 19:57 |
| msb | gnome has mono? | Mar 05 19:58 |
| Sosumi | yes | Mar 05 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | msb: uhmm I get to find out next weekend what non technical peole really like | Mar 05 19:58 |
| msb | yuck! | Mar 05 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | msb: out of the three options for the event | Mar 05 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | will many go to KDE on uhmm openSUSE not my choice | Mar 05 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | or will many go to Cinnamon on Mint | Mar 05 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | or will many go to Unity on Ubuntu | Mar 05 19:59 |
| MinceR | gnome copies macos | Mar 05 19:59 |
| cubezzz | KDE 3.5 distros: | Mar 05 19:59 |
| MinceR | started doing so with gnome 2 | Mar 05 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | what's a bit hmm to me thoug his how | Mar 05 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | ther'es no GNOME Shell at this event | Mar 05 19:59 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde3.5-distros.txt | Mar 05 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but right htey out voted me when it came to that so yeah | Mar 05 19:59 |
| MinceR | and yes, gnome has mono by default | Mar 05 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh, but Banshee and such can hep win non technicals over :d | Mar 05 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | from a user point of view Banshee is quite good | Mar 05 20:00 |
| MinceR | and i don't think that any good choices remained there -- ubuntu, ubuntu-based mint and suse | Mar 05 20:00 |
| MinceR | not so sure of that | Mar 05 20:00 |
| MinceR | can banshee even shuffle the playlist? | Mar 05 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah it's like haing Ubuntu twice really, except it's Min with Cinnamon | Mar 05 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it's about testing out the live session etc | Mar 05 20:00 |
| MinceR | (most music players can't do it properly, but audacious and other xmms derivatives can) | Mar 05 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: freebie wise though, I think I am going to have quite a bit more Ubuntu stuff than the openSUSE | Mar 05 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | and that's good surely? :) | Mar 05 20:01 |
| MinceR | meh | Mar 05 20:01 |
| MinceR | yeah, last i checked *suse was still worse than ubuntu :> | Mar 05 20:02 |
| msb | That KDE3 list is a bit old. Suse is up to version 13.1 and still has KDE3 (and of course KDE4). | Mar 05 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: SUSE is popular though | Mar 05 20:02 |
| msb | I still regard OpenSuse as the best engineered distro, and so I stay with it despite Novell's conniving with Microshit. | Mar 05 20:03 |
| Sosumi | http://distrowatch.com/ | Mar 05 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Mar 05 20:03 | |
| MinceR | i don't see what's "best engineered" about it | Mar 05 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah msb was a SUSE fan> | Mar 05 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 05 20:04 |
| MinceR | for example, it adds a yast menu item into the icewm menu that asks for the root password and then does nothing | Mar 05 20:04 |
| Sosumi | not as popular as mageia | Mar 05 20:04 |
| cubezzz | what no RHEL? :) | Mar 05 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | Sosumi: wel yeah if you go by distrowatch | Mar 05 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | Sosumi: Mageia is more popular | Mar 05 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | if you go by reality then SUSE Is more popular really | Mar 05 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | or so it seems | Mar 05 20:05 |
| MinceR | distrowatch ranking is more of a recent interest than popularity or installed base | Mar 05 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep exactly | Mar 05 20:05 |
| msb | Suse always works, has KDE3, very few bugs, great helpers on IRC, and yast is excellent. | Mar 05 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | msb: Mageia and open Mandriva and such | Mar 05 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | have a nce graphal control centre :) | Mar 05 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | msb: I remember when I had this LIe CD of SUSE and yasst didn't work | Mar 05 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | like three yaers ago or something | Mar 05 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | I was ike uh this uh it's not wrking, back to Synaptic in Ubuntu :d | Mar 05 20:06 |
| MinceR | and i think i've already talked about my friend's experience with opensuse | Mar 05 20:06 |
| MinceR | the horrible netinstall and the keyboard repeat issue | Mar 05 20:07 |
| msb | MinceR: dunno, did they ask for help in suse irc? | Mar 05 20:07 |
| MinceR | no | Mar 05 20:07 |
| MinceR | we suffered through the first one and he figured out how to fix the other | Mar 05 20:08 |
| msb | Should have. They will stay with a user until the problem is fixed. | Mar 05 20:08 |
| msb | So, fixed. Good. | Mar 05 20:08 |
| MinceR | not sure, they might have fixed both of these issues since then. | Mar 05 20:09 |
| MinceR | but i didn't have issues of that magnitude with crunchbang or debian. | Mar 05 20:09 |
| msb | So many different kinds of BIOS and peripherals, there will always be a problems with a few machines. But they are almost always fixable. | Mar 05 20:09 |
| MinceR | the netinstall issue was just pure laziness | Mar 05 20:10 |
| msb | And once they're fixed, Linux always keeps working. | Mar 05 20:10 |
| MinceR | the installer didn't know the list of the mirrors or the path on each ftp server and didn't resolve domain names. | Mar 05 20:10 |
| msb | I always just download the DVD ISO and burn it. | Mar 05 20:10 |
| msb | KISS | Mar 05 20:11 |
| MinceR | i expected the netinstall to be faster. | Mar 05 20:11 |
| MinceR | burn a small image and then only download what's really needed. | Mar 05 20:11 |
| MinceR | that's how it works on debian. :> | Mar 05 20:11 |
| MinceR | (though nowadays i use usb flash cards instead of optical media) | Mar 05 20:11 |
| msb | cards? thumb drives? | Mar 05 20:12 |
| MinceR | yes, flash memory with a usb mass storage interface :> | Mar 05 20:13 |
| msb | I just never heard it called a card before, thought it was something new. | Mar 05 20:13 |
| msb | Or is it a device that connects via usb, and takes flash memory cards in a slot? | Mar 05 20:15 |
| MinceR | no | Mar 05 20:15 |
| MinceR | i just don't think that "pen drive" is a good term for them | Mar 05 20:15 |
| MinceR | i haven't thought much of "thumb drive", they don't use that term around here :> | Mar 05 20:16 |
| msb | It always takes me a couple of days to update Linux, because I have to change various scripts I've written, figure out how to make the 2-button trackball work as 3-button, since X is always changing, and stuff like that. So I only do it when I can't use or compile new media apps that I want. | Mar 05 20:21 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 20:21 |
| msb | Also, I always wait a few months til they fix any bugs in the new version. | Mar 05 20:23 |
| msb | But if I get the time, I'll make a utility that periodically saves the exact state of all the konsoles, so they can be totally restored. Then I wouldn't have to leave the 'puter running all the time. | Mar 05 20:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 20:26 |
| MinceR | or you could make a terminal emulator that saves its own state :> | Mar 05 20:26 |
| msb | Interesting: all the konsoles are a single process, but I have 126 bash processes. | Mar 05 20:29 |
| msb | Wow, konsole seems to have 1336 qdbus options. Maybe I can just use some of those to save and restore the states. | Mar 05 20:33 |
| msb | I use KDE4 konsole, konversation, system monitor, klipper, maybe a couple others. They work fine under KDE3, and have been improved from the KDE3 versions. | Mar 05 20:34 |
| msb | Oh yeah, setting that up takes time on an upgrade. Also transferring ancient libs so xmms still works, since I have so many song equalizer files for it. | Mar 05 20:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 05 20:39 |
| MinceR | have you tried bmp or audacious? | Mar 05 20:39 |
| MinceR | (they're xmms1 forks) | Mar 05 20:39 |
| msb | I wrote a console emulator for my original IBM-PC in BASIC in the 80s so I could talk to a BSD Unix system I was renting time on, via a phone modem of course. | Mar 05 20:40 |
| msb | It could even up- and download files. | Mar 05 20:40 |
| msb | Do bmp and audacious use xmms equalizer files? | Mar 05 20:40 |
| MinceR | dunno | Mar 05 20:41 |
| MinceR | they use a lot of stuff from xmms1, including ancient plugins that nobody else supports, so it might work :> | Mar 05 20:41 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/microsoft-using-linux-4175496991/ | Mar 05 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Microsoft using Linux! [ http://ur1.ca/grhab ] | Mar 05 20:43 | |
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| msb | I use audacious for theta-reverb. Use the reverb plugin with the delay set between 125-250 msec, and you get theta brainwave stimulation! | Mar 05 20:43 |
| MinceR | is that a good thing? :> | Mar 05 20:44 |
| msb | Ooh baby! | Mar 05 20:44 |
| msb | Click on Audacious Output menu and then on Effects In Effects list look for "Echo Plugin" and click on "settings" just underneath. Note three sliders: Delay Feedback Volume Set Delay to 140, Feedback to 83, and Volume to 67 Then click Apply. | Mar 05 20:46 |
| MinceR | do i want to do that when i'm sleepy, tired and have a headache? :> | Mar 05 20:49 |
| msb | Find the song Bratja from Fullmetal Alchemist and do theta reverb on it -- my fave. | Mar 05 20:49 |
| msb | No, use psychedelics when you're awake and energetic. | Mar 05 20:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 05 20:51 |
| msb | Darn. Bratja is in BT, but only 93% of it. And it's also sung in russian. | Mar 05 20:53 |
| msb | Audacious -- I have Audacious 2.4.4 (UNSUPPORTED VERSION) -- retains all the reverb and equalizer settings, and the song file, when you kill it, and restart it anytime later. Very nice! | Mar 05 21:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 21:19 |
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| MinceR | http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2014/03/05/putin-unveils-new-propaganda-poster | Mar 05 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Putin Unveils New Propaganda Poster | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/grimo ] | Mar 05 22:31 | |
| MinceR | http://poorlydrawndinosaurs.com/?p=258 | Mar 05 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-poorlydrawndinosaurs.com | poorlydrawndinosaurs.com - Silly humans | Mar 05 22:32 | |
| MinceR | http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-30/anti-government-militia-groups-freeman/53873496/1 | Mar 05 22:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-usatoday30.usatoday.com | Anti-government 'sovereign movement' on the rise in U.S. – USATODAY.com [ http://ur1.ca/griwl ] | Mar 05 22:57 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 05 23:00 |
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| msb | "Putin Unveils New Propaganda Poster" Reality: US and EU use armed Nazis to conquer Ukraine and overthrow the elected government, and Putin wants to restore the elected govt. /// Lying Propaganda from US media: Putin is attacking first and wants to seize Ukraine. | Mar 06 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | The sewage pipe between my mom's house and the city sewage pipe has sprung a leak. | Mar 06 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's going to be expensive. | Mar 06 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | They're taking bids to fix it. So far, the lowest bid was some guy that was going to halfass it. He wanted $2,000. | Mar 06 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | Ouch. | Mar 06 01:52 |
| msb | Regarding the "Anti-government 'sovereign movement'" there's no way that McVeighs ANFO truck bomb could have taken down the Murrah Building parked the distance away that it was. ANFO is a low-grade, low-brisance, low-velocity explosive, because the fuel and oxidizer are in two separate materials -- ammonium nitrate pellets in fuel oil. Slower than gunpowder, which is more finely mixed. | Mar 06 01:55 |
| msb | People saw men disguised as telephone technicians placing satchel charges of HE against the building's support columns in the basement. That's what blew it up. McVeigh was the patsy. | Mar 06 01:56 |
| msb | Also, the SPLC is a fascist/zionist propaganda organization working closely with the US govt. It named 9/11 researchers as "terrorists". | Mar 06 01:57 |
| msb | DaemonFC: What if you dug down to the leak and epoxied an aluminum sheet over the leak? After suitable cleaning of course. The pressure should be very low in a sewer pipe -- just a few inches of water. | Mar 06 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I told my stepdad I'd come over and help dig. :P | Mar 06 02:01 |
| msb | DaemonFC: You could hold the Al sheet in place with a series of hose clamps at each end while the epoxy hardened. Then leave them in place. | Mar 06 02:01 |
| msb | You can make a big hose-clamp out of a bunch of little ones all the same size by screwing them together in series. | Mar 06 02:02 |
| msb | DaemonFC: Maybe some kind of very thick but flexible plastic would be better than aluminum -- couldn't corrode. | Mar 06 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | It looks like dropping GNU/Linux support didn't affect Opera's usage share at all. | Mar 06 02:05 |
| msb | DaemonFC: Crap. Well, I have Opera but never use it. There are still a couple of other browsers I can use to check possibly malfunctioning web pages. The KDE and Gnome ones, and I can call up a friend who uses Exploder. | Mar 06 02:07 |
| msb | He couldn;t see the colored panels on my site in Firefox on his doorstop, but he could see them in MS-Exploder, and they showed up fine in FF and the KDE and Gnome browsers for me. | Mar 06 02:09 |
| msb | Also Opera, but byebye to that. | Mar 06 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | The last version of Opera for Linux is from last August, before they switched to Chromium. | Mar 06 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | A former employee of the company said that they don't take Linux seriously and are now forcing their employees to use Windows or OS X. | Mar 06 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | So, there probably never will be another version of Opera for GNU/Linux | Mar 06 02:12 |
| msb | So Opera threw away its entire code base in favor of Chromium? | Mar 06 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Yes. | Mar 06 02:13 |
| msb | What a waste! | Mar 06 02:14 |
| msb | "they don't take Linux seriously and are now forcing their employees to use Windows or OS X" I think that company is not long for this world! | Mar 06 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I believe the reason they had the "Linux" port to begin with was because their own developers preferred it. | Mar 06 02:18 |
| msb | Makes sense. | Mar 06 02:19 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | The Koch Brothers, Billionaire Polluters, and Walmart have basically bought and paid for PBS. | Mar 06 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | I barely even watch it anymore, because they'll agree not to report the news in exchange for "a generous donation". | Mar 06 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | So far, David Koch, BP, and Walmart have all "generously donated" their way out of unflattering-but-true documentaries being aired on PBS. | Mar 06 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart even "generously donated" enough to turn the documentary that PBS eventually aired into a pro-Walmart one. | Mar 06 03:27 |
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| msb | Well I just had another crash, this time with no messages about the display driver in the kernel log. And my main disk had to fsck, which took an hour. However, a friend suggested I look at the cpu temperatures using the bios, but -- Mirabile Dictu -- the KDE4 system monitor can show 5 different temp sensors on my machine, which it's now doing in a new tab. The highest one is 52degC, which I'm told is ok, but the machine isn't doing | Mar 06 04:58 |
| msb | much. | Mar 06 04:58 |
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| msb | I don't know if firefox was using a lot of cpu before the crash, I hadn't checked in a while. I suppose if FF has been crashing nvidia display drivers for a few months, we would have heard, unless Linux FF abusers like me are rare. | Mar 06 05:00 |
| msb | I haven't cleaned out the cpu heatsink for a long time, but now being catless I didn't think I had to. I'll see what the temp sensors say. | Mar 06 05:02 |
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| msb | I got both cores up to 100% usage and 70C by playing two 1920x1080 movies and recording TV with mencoder. So I should go in there and blow the dust out. | Mar 06 05:38 |
| msb | Which always makes a mess. | Mar 06 05:40 |
| msb | Now over to DaemonFC for Bargain Highlights. | Mar 06 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Mar 06 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | It's probably a bug in the Nvidia driver. | Mar 06 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | It wouldn't be the first time. | Mar 06 05:52 |
| msb | It started several months ago, and the only thing that's changed is Firefox. | Mar 06 06:05 |
| msb | I haven't had any crashes when I've kept FF cpu usage below 40%, by limiting the number of tabs. But I wasn't tracking it today. However, there were no messages in the kernel log from the display driver. The kernel crashed. | Mar 06 06:07 |
| msb | I'll try running a thorough memory test. The bios boot mem test doesn't find any problems. | Mar 06 06:08 |
| msb | The nvidia driver is the same as it ever was. If it dropped a bit on the disk, the crc would catch it. | Mar 06 06:10 |
| msb | Damn I love those temperature readings in the sys mon program. With them I could -- dare I say it? -- Rule the World! | Mar 06 06:12 |
| msb | I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy it! | Mar 06 06:12 |
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| MinceR | keep lying, msb. | Mar 06 06:55 |
| msb | MinceR: My commie comrades have infiltrated under your bed and in your closet! | Mar 06 06:56 |
| msb | MinceR: And...I'm eating lots of chili, so I'm always pootin'! | Mar 06 06:57 |
| MinceR | no, they're in my government | Mar 06 06:57 |
| prurigro | MinceR: I feel like "communists" in the US and communists in places like your gov't are such a different animal that the first group can't see why you'd be offended | Mar 06 07:09 |
| MinceR | depends on what the communists in the US are doing | Mar 06 07:10 |
| prurigro | talking about how great communism would be | Mar 06 07:10 |
| MinceR | because everyone can talk the talk | Mar 06 07:10 |
| prurigro | from the sidelines | Mar 06 07:10 |
| MinceR | and we can see what the eastern block did while talking the talk. | Mar 06 07:11 |
| prurigro | the argument is that communism isn't exactly that | Mar 06 07:11 |
| MinceR | and what the same people are doing now in hungary, for example. | Mar 06 07:11 |
| prurigro | but my counter argument is that this is what stems from removing ownership over anything from everyone | Mar 06 07:11 |
| MinceR | and in russia. | Mar 06 07:12 |
| MinceR | what is what stems from that? | Mar 06 07:12 |
| prurigro | russia isn't really anything close to communist these days is it, do you think? | Mar 06 07:12 |
| MinceR | it seems pretty close to what it was when it called itself communist | Mar 06 07:13 |
| prurigro | and I mean that the argument given for communism when presented with real life examples of how it played out is that those real life examples weren't communism | Mar 06 07:13 |
| MinceR | and it's led by the former communist kgb leader. | Mar 06 07:13 |
| MinceR | that sounds a lot like a no true scotsman argument :> | Mar 06 07:13 |
| prurigro | my counter argument is that those real life examples are the result of attempting to put the theory into practice | Mar 06 07:13 |
| MinceR | but i have issues with the non-state communism theory as well. | Mar 06 07:13 |
| prurigro | russia was very different when it was communist | Mar 06 07:14 |
| MinceR | well, deciding that the people don't get to own things very easily leads to the state owning those things | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | it wasn't ultra christian, for example | Mar 06 07:14 |
| MinceR | and a dictator controlling those things | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | yeah | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | and if you want to own things, when a person can't, you need to obtain power in the organization that can | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | ie: the state | Mar 06 07:14 |
| MinceR | like i keep saying, whether the ideology is christian is little more than decoration | Mar 06 07:14 |
| MinceR | the authoritarianism remains | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | I like socialism much ebtter | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | better* | Mar 06 07:14 |
| MinceR | a few people effectively owning everything also remained | Mar 06 07:14 |
| prurigro | where everyone owns a share of a piece of the pie, rather than noone owning anything | Mar 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | yeah | Mar 06 07:15 |
| MinceR | again, it's easy to do that only in words | Mar 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | canada is fairly socialist | Mar 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | it works nicely here | Mar 06 07:15 |
| MinceR | like authoritarian governments insisting that they're doing everything on behalf of the people | Mar 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | authoritarian governments pop up when you remove power from the people | Mar 06 07:15 |
| prurigro | bargaining chips are needed | Mar 06 07:19 |
| prurigro | I think that's why the internet works as a semi-libertarian-utopia | Mar 06 07:19 |
| prurigro | people have near equivalent power | Mar 06 07:19 |
| prurigro | I don't think it could exist in real life quite as successfully | Mar 06 07:20 |
| prurigro | someone would amass more weapons or henchmen or whatever and take control | Mar 06 07:21 |
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| msb | Capitalist economies/govts are subject to takeover by psychopaths because they can amass huge amounts of money, socialist ones because the govt has a lot of control. | Mar 06 07:31 |
| msb | Solutions involve the population being better informed, so lots of news media available with different points of view. Also better consciousness, so legal cannabis, and de-emphasis of JCI religion. | Mar 06 07:33 |
| MinceR | solutions also involve democracy and similar means of distributing power | Mar 06 07:34 |
| msb | Yes, that goes without saying. | Mar 06 07:34 |
| msb | So, parliamentary system and preferential voting. Also, no govt secrets, no "intelligence" -- spying and murdering -- agencies. | Mar 06 07:36 |
| MinceR | pretty much | Mar 06 07:37 |
| MinceR | though i'm not sure if intelligence agencies can be eliminated entirely as long as other states have them -- but they have to be kept on a much shorter leash than cia and nsa. | Mar 06 07:37 |
| MinceR | or gchq, etc. | Mar 06 07:37 |
| prurigro | distribution of power is the most key | Mar 06 07:38 |
| prurigro | my friend is convinced communism + mandatory weapons for everyone would be a good mix | Mar 06 07:38 |
| prurigro | I'm not sure it's so simple | Mar 06 07:39 |
| prurigro | but he's on the right track | Mar 06 07:39 |
| msb | If some other nation is secretly constructing dangerous weapons, then we should spy on them, but not keep the data we get secret. | Mar 06 07:39 |
| prurigro | msb: you're right, you should share it with the mossad like you currently do, that'll keep everyone safe :) | Mar 06 07:40 |
| msb | There has to be private propity up to at least $500,000, otherwise the govt is very intrusive. | Mar 06 07:40 |
| msb | No prurigro, share it publicly with everybody | Mar 06 07:41 |
| msb | 1 | Mar 06 07:41 |
| msb | ! | Mar 06 07:41 |
| MinceR | not only that, but you need counterintelligence if you don't want other states do the same spying and manipulation in your country. | Mar 06 07:41 |
| MinceR | (which your laws could control even less, of course.) | Mar 06 07:41 |
| msb | Nothing should be secret, so spies would not be a problem. | Mar 06 07:41 |
| MinceR | the state should keep (next to) no secrets, but people still need to keep secrets | Mar 06 07:42 |
| msb | Yes. | Mar 06 07:42 |
| msb | IOW, privacy. | Mar 06 07:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 06 07:43 |
| prurigro | MinceR: the fact that it was information on american politicians and judges that made it to the Mossad makes me think that exactly what you're talking about is happening | Mar 06 07:43 |
| MinceR | as far as i know, it's happening all the time | Mar 06 07:43 |
| msb | prurigro: Yes, that's one way Israel/Zionists gain great power over the US. | Mar 06 07:44 |
| msb | In fact, Mossad lures US politicians with prostitutes male and female, takes pictures, and blackmails them into obedience. | Mar 06 07:45 |
| prurigro | and everyone wonders why politicians are so interested in keeping them happy (outside new york politicians, who have their voters as an incensentive) | Mar 06 07:45 |
| msb | An insensitive incentive! You made a portmanteau word, a la Lewis Carroll. | Mar 06 07:46 |
| prurigro | whoops | Mar 06 07:46 |
| prurigro | that's pretty funny | Mar 06 07:46 |
| msb | No, good! | Mar 06 07:46 |
| prurigro | my broca's area must be a broken area | Mar 06 07:47 |
| msb | ! | Mar 06 07:47 |
| msb | So actually, people in government need to be allowed less privacy, so they can't be blackmailed. If that discourages people from wanting to be in government, all the better! | Mar 06 07:53 |
| msb | You want to control people, you get a webcam in your bedroom! | Mar 06 07:55 |
| prurigro | I think everyone should be allowed full privacy at home, and practically none at work | Mar 06 07:55 |
| prurigro | though on request only | Mar 06 07:55 |
| *prurigro works better without someone looking over his shoulder | Mar 06 07:55 | |
| msb | But govt works better *with* somebody looking... | Mar 06 07:55 |
| prurigro | well yeah | Mar 06 07:56 |
| msb | Because the biggest problem is govt corruption and excess power. | Mar 06 07:56 |
| prurigro | in canada you can request 99% of everything | Mar 06 07:56 |
| prurigro | only about 20% is made public until requested | Mar 06 07:56 |
| prurigro | and those are final numbers and whatnot | Mar 06 07:57 |
| prurigro | you can request all email by person X though | Mar 06 07:57 |
| prurigro | for example | Mar 06 07:57 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx3PJ97J57UDN1C | Mar 06 08:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: crApple refuses to unlock an iBad that a woman left to her son in her will. [ http://ur1.ca/groh9 ] | Mar 06 08:39 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26448158 | Mar 06 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | crApple has refused to unlock an iBad that a woman left to her son. | Mar 06 08:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | BBC News - Apple security rules leave inherited iPad useless, say sons [ http://ur1.ca/grohc ] | Mar 06 08:39 | |
| DaemonFC | The only reason it's possible to refuse to allow the rightful owner of the computer to use it is because of restrictions imposed by proprietary software. | Mar 06 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | If the computer ran freedom respecting software instead, then it wouldn't be a brick now. | Mar 06 08:39 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: when I sent my phone in for repairs, I thought great, I'll use my gf's old 3g for music at the gym until I get mine back | Mar 06 08:40 |
| prurigro | turns out all the apps that had previously worked ran versions that no longer installed on the max version of iOS it could run | Mar 06 08:41 |
| prurigro | reminded me of how my old mac mini was useless because current versions of firefox, chrome and safari wouldn't run on the most recent version of macos it allowed | Mar 06 08:41 |
| prurigro | (and while linux is possible on that- it's demented uefi is so non-standard that the only version of linux I could get on it was fedora, which it's shitty specs are too slow for) | Mar 06 08:42 |
| MinceR | i think you can slim fedora down | Mar 06 09:04 |
| prurigro | I was wondering how far you could go-- maybe disabling selinux would be a start | Mar 06 09:05 |
| prurigro | it mostly seemed to fail when the package manager would be running though | Mar 06 09:05 |
| prurigro | (and it couldn't play flash youtube at fullspeed, but I haven't tried again since 100% of videos can be html5, so maybe I should) | Mar 06 09:06 |
| prurigro | but yeah, package management slowdowns are why I figured I could blame the OS | Mar 06 09:06 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 06 09:06 |
| prurigro | are you using that html5 youtube extension on a side note? | Mar 06 09:07 |
| prurigro | you def should be if you aren't, and ever use youtube | Mar 06 09:07 |
| MinceR | i don't think i am now | Mar 06 09:07 |
| prurigro | (unless you disagree with google cloud products on some moral ground, which I'd understand) | Mar 06 09:07 |
| prurigro | word, let me link you | Mar 06 09:08 |
| MinceR | since some of youtube required Trash the last time i checked, i just let it use Trash | Mar 06 09:08 |
| prurigro | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/ <- no more trash required | Mar 06 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-addons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ] | Mar 06 09:08 | |
| MinceR | also, debian might be able to work on a mac mini: https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel | Mar 06 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.debian.org | MacMiniIntel - Debian Wiki | Mar 06 09:08 | |
| prurigro | I uninstalled Trash when I found this plugin | Mar 06 09:08 |
| MinceR | this guide might also work with crunchbang | Mar 06 09:08 |
| prurigro | ahh really eh- my mac mini is one of the earlier ones on that note | Mar 06 09:08 |
| prurigro | which had a special non-standard uefi | Mar 06 09:09 |
| prurigro | I wonder if tis accounts for that.. | Mar 06 09:09 |
| MinceR | it does have non-standard EFI | Mar 06 09:09 |
| MinceR | but afaik people made it work anyway | Mar 06 09:09 |
| prurigro | I suppose efi was just getting cracked by fedora when I was originally trying | Mar 06 09:10 |
| prurigro | maybe all the major distros woudl be able to now eh? | Mar 06 09:10 |
| prurigro | more than a year later | Mar 06 09:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 09:10 |
| prurigro | but yeah, that extension on the fly converts flv youtube videos to an html5 compatible format, then pulls in the youtube html5 player to play them-- it's really clever | Mar 06 09:12 |
| MinceR | does it work on videos that would use ads? | Mar 06 09:13 |
| prurigro | yeah, unfortunately you won't be able to view the ads | Mar 06 09:13 |
| prurigro | but those are primarily the only vids that aren't available in html5 already | Mar 06 09:14 |
| prurigro | (since ads require flash still afaik) | Mar 06 09:14 |
| prurigro | anyway, I uninstalled flash, and youtube has been great | Mar 06 09:14 |
| prurigro | only potential issue I've run into was all html5 videos having no sound (plugin or otherwise) until I added the following option to about:config and set it to false: media.use_cubeb | Mar 06 09:15 |
| prurigro | no idea what it does lol | Mar 06 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro: They have to do that, or else people would just use their old computer forever. | Mar 06 09:17 |
| MinceR | i don't want to see the ads, i just want to see the videos that would have them :> | Mar 06 09:17 |
| MinceR | since those videos require Trash | Mar 06 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | This computer is from 2008, and it still runs GNU/Linux just fine. | Mar 06 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | Windows hasn't gotten any smaller. | Mar 06 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeon_trusty&num=2 | Mar 06 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Radeon Gallium3D Performance Gets Close To Catalyst On Ubuntu 14.04 [ http://ur1.ca/groze ] | Mar 06 09:21 | |
| prurigro | MinceR: well you're in luck then ;) and yeah, I was more joking about the unfortunate part haha | Mar 06 09:24 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: I have desktop that's older than the mac mini, and it's like wayyyyy faster and still 100% operational- plays 1080p mkvs and anything else I throw at it | Mar 06 09:25 |
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| DaemonFC | heh, the federal government classifies my car as a gas guzzler... | Mar 06 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't meet the definition of "gas guzzler" in 1996. | Mar 06 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | The engine is an improvement over the old 5 liter carbonated V8 that Ford used to use. | Mar 06 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | That one was less powerful and only got about 11 miles per gallon combined city/highway. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | Mine is the fuel injected 4.6 liter V8. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | 17 mpg combined. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | Still....Ouch. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | I gave it a tune up a little while back. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | The mileage came up a bit. | Mar 06 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has a "fuel injector cleaning service" for $20. | Mar 06 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what that is. Probably some guy pouring a $10 bottle of magic car potion into your tank... | Mar 06 09:40 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26448158 | Mar 06 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | BBC News - Apple security rules leave inherited iPad useless, say sons [ http://ur1.ca/grohc ] | Mar 06 09:43 | |
| DaemonFC | Apple turned this iPad into a brick. | Mar 06 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | I need to get change for the laundromat while I'm out today. :P | Mar 06 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | I can't use mom's washer until they fix that drain pipe. | Mar 06 09:46 |
| MinceR | "security" rules | Mar 06 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 06 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | Dave wanted an iPhone. | Mar 06 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | I convinced him to get an Android phone though. | Mar 06 09:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 06 09:54 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: convince him to get xprivacy and afwall too then, and to use the minimal BaNkS gapps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2012857 | Mar 06 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.xda-developers.com | [GApps][Standard/Minimal][4.4.2][2-27-2014] | Google Nexus 5 | xda-developers [ http://ur1.ca/grpe2 ] | Mar 06 09:55 | |
| prurigro | and to do his best to stick to using f-droid, and sync his contacts/calendar with a personal owncloud instance or just not sync his contacts/calendar | Mar 06 09:55 |
| prurigro | android can be awesome, but it starts out as bad as iOS sometimes, and even worse in a few cases | Mar 06 09:56 |
| MinceR | syncing to owncloud is relevant to my interests | Mar 06 09:56 |
| prurigro | MinceR: been doing it for quite some time- can I help you along in any way? | Mar 06 09:57 |
| MinceR | i wasn't aware it can be done at all, before this point. is there a howto or something? | Mar 06 09:57 |
| MinceR | it certainly sounds more attractive than just relying on GPE utilities. :> | Mar 06 09:57 |
| prurigro | MinceR: GPE? it's absolutely awesome- owncloud even got a plugin recently that adds firefox sync | Mar 06 09:58 |
| MinceR | firefox sync i was already mulling :) | Mar 06 09:59 |
| prurigro | haha | Mar 06 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | Gas is up to $3.75 right now. Ugh. | Mar 06 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | That means it would cost $75 to fill my tank from E to F. :P | Mar 06 09:59 |
| prurigro | MinceR: I'd tried to set it up myself a while back and had some issues, but the owncloud plugin is a couple of steps and then done | Mar 06 09:59 |
| MinceR | that must be a big tank :> | Mar 06 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | 20 gallons | Mar 06 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | They reduced the tank size on my mom's new car | Mar 06 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | she had an '03 Impala with a 17 gallon tank. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | The new one only has a 14 gallon tank. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| MinceR | that or my tank is far from empty when the warning light comes on :> | Mar 06 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea why they did that. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| MinceR | i tend to fill 40 l to full and the tank is 60 l iirc | Mar 06 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The idiot light usually comes on when you have 2-3 gallons left. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | The idea is that you should be able to get to a station before you run out. | Mar 06 10:02 |
| MinceR | well, i think the smaller tank is lighter, allowing for lower fuel consumption | Mar 06 10:02 |
| MinceR | especially if you fill it up completely every time. | Mar 06 10:03 |
| MinceR | but maybe that's not the point | Mar 06 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, 8.3 pounds per gallon | Mar 06 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | You lose about 2% of your gas mileage for every 100 pounds of weight on the car. | Mar 06 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | So, keeping mine at half or less would give me just slightly under 2% better gas mileage. | Mar 06 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I might start doing that. | Mar 06 10:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I filled up to F the other day and topped the tank because it was down to $3.11 and my phone started warning me about the price spike. | Mar 06 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | So it saved me a little over $6. :) | Mar 06 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I like to top up before a price spike. Then I can usually wait until it goes back down before I have to buy more. | Mar 06 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | It spikes in Fort Wayne, and then I have about 24 hours before the price spike hits the town where I live. | Mar 06 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | If it's super expensive (like last year when it hit $4.25), I never fill up the entire tank. | Mar 06 10:06 |
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| DaemonFC | The EPA has a "low sulfur" rule coming up that will increase gas prices by 9 cents per gallon. Grrr... | Mar 06 10:09 |
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| DaemonFC | I read one comment where a guy said that station owners should refuse to sell gas to anyone with an Obama bumper sticker on their car. | Mar 06 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | Johnny, roll a ball of hash, and make sure it's the bomb, cause the devil's got the kind of stuff they smoked in Vietnam. | Mar 06 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | You'll get a million smackaroos in cash if you can cope, but if you can't, the devil gets your dope! | Mar 06 10:12 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/03/not-dead-after-all-microsoft-to-talk-directx-12-at-gdc/ | Mar 06 10:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Not dead after all: Microsoft to talk DirectX 12 at GDC | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/grq2c ] | Mar 06 10:40 | |
| Sosumi | that and nvidia sending me dx11 propaganda | Mar 06 10:40 |
| Sosumi | and about reserving my seat at some presentation involving nvidia stuff+dx11 | Mar 06 10:41 |
| Sosumi | and what will m$ do next? confine dx12 to winblows 8.2? | Mar 06 10:42 |
| Sosumi | and counting with the japanese launch | Mar 06 10:44 |
| Sosumi | ps4 is counting 6 million sells | Mar 06 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | "Porting DirectX 12 to Windows 7 and 8 would require significantly rearchitecting those operating systems, so we've limited it to 3% of our users and no developer will ever actually touch it until it is 5-6 years old." | Mar 06 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's what you can expect to hear. :) | Mar 06 10:57 |
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| Sosumi | and as mentioned before | Mar 06 11:34 |
| Sosumi | haven't seen a single xbone on sale here in portugal | Mar 06 11:35 |
| Sosumi | perhaps m$ has given up on its gaming division | Mar 06 11:35 |
| Sosumi | or what is left of it | Mar 06 11:35 |
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| DaemonFC | I opened up a package of tomatoes from ALDI, and they were rotting. | Mar 06 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'm going to take them back today and get my money back. | Mar 06 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | She left the computer to her son, which makes it her son's computer. | Mar 06 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | Since it runs Apple's proprietary software, it's useless now because Apple refuses to unlock it and it can't be made to run freedom respecting software like GNU/Linux instead, because Apple has stopped the owner from doing that too. | Mar 06 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | I hope he learns his lesson, since he's now the proud owner of a doorstop. | Mar 06 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | Besides, I don't think many people want freedom from porn. | Mar 06 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | About half the traffic on the internet is Netflix, and about the other half is porn sites. | Mar 06 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | But Mormons should remember to not leave their buddies masturbating on the battlefield! :) | Mar 06 12:37 |
| Sosumi | you can run gnu/linux on macs | Mar 06 12:48 |
| Sosumi | provided that it is not a core duo model | Mar 06 12:48 |
| Sosumi | since crapple kind of screwed voltage regulation in those models by implementing via software | Mar 06 12:49 |
| Sosumi | *it | Mar 06 12:49 |
| Sosumi | and the drivers are only for osx and winblows | Mar 06 12:49 |
| Sosumi | if it is a ppc model | Mar 06 12:50 |
| Sosumi | then there is ppc fedora and yellow dog linux | Mar 06 12:50 |
| Sosumi | so, hardly a doorstep | Mar 06 12:50 |
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| Sosumi | also crimea seems to want to join the russian federation | Mar 06 12:52 |
| Sosumi | and if the US starts imposing sanctions on russia | Mar 06 12:52 |
| Sosumi | or steps out of the line | Mar 06 12:53 |
| Sosumi | expect assets from US/EU entities to be seized | Mar 06 12:53 |
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| Sosumi | and probably for russia to dump the petro dollar | Mar 06 12:53 |
| Sosumi | entirely | Mar 06 12:54 |
| MinceR | 134902 < Sosumi> since crapple kind of screwed voltage regulation in those models by implementing via software | Mar 06 12:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 06 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | She left the computer to her son, which makes it her son's computer. | Mar 06 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | Since it runs Apple's proprietary software, it's useless now because Apple refuses to unlock it and it can't be made to run freedom respecting software like GNU/Linux instead, because Apple has stopped the owner from doing that too. | Mar 06 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | I hope he learns his lesson, since he's now the proud owner of a doorstop that probably cost $700-800. | Mar 06 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | If Apple continues to refuse to unlock the computer, the judge should also order Apple to either replace it with a new computer or to give him the price of a replacement. | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think he should ask for the cash so he can buy a Nexus 7, which has Android, but can also run at least Ubuntu, and maybe other versions of GNU/Linux. | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Then he should order Apple to give him a copy of everything his mother paid for on the iTunes store, at no additional charge. Or a refund for everything he lost access to. I'd ask for a refund. | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Then he should order Apple to pay the court costs and fair compensation for the man's time and trouble caused by having to take Apple to court. | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't believe there is porn on the iTunes store. They even absurdly rate web browsers (other than Safari, of course) as 18+ because they "could potentially be used to view pornography". Well, no ****, Sherlock! | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Can Safari not be used to view porn? | Mar 06 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Ironically, about five minutes after Steve Jobs declared that iPad users had freedom from porn, sites like "ipadporn" started popping up, streaming the porn as HTML 5 video that was compatible with iPad and other web browser and devices. | Mar 06 12:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/mar/02/poor- | Mar 06 13:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Thrown in jail for being poor: the booming for-profit probation industry | Money | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/grsbh ] | Mar 06 13:13 | |
| DaemonFC | I've never had so much as a speeding ticket. | Mar 06 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | My mom yells at me for doing 55 on the highway to save some gas when I'm not in a particular hurry. | Mar 06 13:14 |
| MinceR | i've never had speeding tickets, only parking fines | Mar 06 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I've had two parking tickets, but they were issued by campus cops when I was visiting someone. | Mar 06 13:14 |
| MinceR | (parking is managed in an utterly retarded and sleazy way in budapest) | Mar 06 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | So I just dropped a letter in the mail that said I wasn't a student. | Mar 06 13:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | They tried to get me for $55 each time, but there's nothing they can do because I wasn't a student. | Mar 06 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | They don't tell you that they can't do anything about it if you're not a student, but the truth is that they can't. | Mar 06 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose that if you do it again, they could have your car towed. | Mar 06 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have any dental insurance, so I go to the IPFW dental clinic to get my teeth cleaned. | Mar 06 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | That's a hell of a walk. The closest free parking for non-students is about two miles away. | Mar 06 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty pedantic about keeping my teeth cleaned. | Mar 06 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | I even got one of those expensive toothbrushes that does the whole polishing thing. | Mar 06 13:19 |
| MinceR | i use an electric toothbrush for that :> | Mar 06 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I stocked up on heads when they sent out some junk mail. | Mar 06 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | I dumpster dived the post office trash bin for more. :P | Mar 06 13:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | The coupon was $7 off. | Mar 06 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | They're like $20 for three heads. | Mar 06 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | That's obscene. | Mar 06 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: That reminds me of a bad joke. | Mar 06 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | A man cloned himself. One day, he came home from work early and caught the clone in bed with his wife. | Mar 06 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | So they got into a fight, and the man pushed the clone out of the window, to his death. | Mar 06 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | The cops charged him with making an obscene clone fall. | Mar 06 13:24 |
| MinceR | i don't get it. | Mar 06 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoonerism | Mar 06 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Spoonerism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Mar 06 13:25 | |
| MinceR | oh. | Mar 06 13:25 |
| MinceR | yes, it's bad. | Mar 06 13:26 |
| Sosumi | MinceR, yes | Mar 06 13:45 |
| Sosumi | core duo's voltage regulation was normally done through an external controller | Mar 06 13:46 |
| Sosumi | but crapple did via software | Mar 06 13:46 |
| Sosumi | *it | Mar 06 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'll just go inside the drugstore to pick up my prescription this time. | Mar 06 13:46 |
| Sosumi | so even running windows on those models without the bootcamp drivers | Mar 06 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | Last time I went, the lady that stares off into space and only serves one lane was working. | Mar 06 13:47 |
| Sosumi | you risk frying the cpu | Mar 06 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to honk my horn to get her attention. | Mar 06 13:47 |
| Sosumi | models after that had the voltage regulator built in the cpu | Mar 06 13:48 |
| msb | Are there HTML5-only websites with videos? Can you download the videos? | Mar 06 13:56 |
| msb | I'm confused about this whole thing. Watching videos on websites seems useless to me if you can't download and save them, because they can be removed from the web at any time. | Mar 06 13:58 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/crimea-may-or-may-not-be-part-russia-moment | Mar 06 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Crimea May (Or May Not) Be Part Of Russia As Of This Moment | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/grsxu ] | Mar 06 13:59 | |
| msb | What kind of video file do you get if you download a video from an HTML5 web page? | Mar 06 13:59 |
| Sosumi | at this moment | Mar 06 13:59 |
| Sosumi | russia 2; eurogarchs/US demagogues: 0 | Mar 06 14:00 |
| Sosumi | actually, eurogarchs: -1 | Mar 06 14:00 |
| Sosumi | because of the bid by his excelence "cabrão" Barroso in giving 11 billion to ukraine | Mar 06 14:01 |
| Sosumi | when everyone in the is under killer austerity | Mar 06 14:01 |
| Sosumi | *EU | Mar 06 14:01 |
| msb | Do the Rothschild banks get the profit from the austerity? | Mar 06 14:02 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Mar 06 14:02 |
| Sosumi | who do you think that holds the debt and buys treasury bonds and so on | Mar 06 14:03 |
| Sosumi | the big financial players through hedgefund groups and son on | Mar 06 14:03 |
| msb | And the Ukraine Nazis have now inflicted that on their country. | Mar 06 14:03 |
| Sosumi | no, actually what they did was excalate the crap that had been done by Yanoukovich | Mar 06 14:04 |
| Sosumi | and his predecessors | Mar 06 14:04 |
| msb | What crap? | Mar 06 14:05 |
| Sosumi | they came even to the point of yelling support for Umarov | Mar 06 14:05 |
| Sosumi | corruption, damning deals with both the EU and russia | Mar 06 14:05 |
| Sosumi | namely when it comes to gas transit | Mar 06 14:06 |
| msb | So what about HTML5 videos? Are they a part of all this? | Mar 06 14:06 |
| msb | Gas pipelines? | Mar 06 14:07 |
| Sosumi | yes, they go through ukraine | Mar 06 14:07 |
| Sosumi | from russia | Mar 06 14:07 |
| MinceR | with love | Mar 06 14:07 |
| msb | So a source of profit for Ukraine. | Mar 06 14:08 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 06 14:08 |
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| msb | And are there HTML5 videos of these pipelines? Or of anything? | Mar 06 14:09 |
| msb | Where would I find an HTML5 web page so I can try downloading its video(s)? | Mar 06 14:12 |
| Sosumi | it depends on what HTML5 means | Mar 06 14:13 |
| Sosumi | maybe Gazpron, exports Hot Transexual Males Level 5 to europe | Mar 06 14:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 06 14:14 |
| Sosumi | or whatever | Mar 06 14:15 |
| msb | Via Ukraine, right? | Mar 06 14:15 |
| Sosumi | yep | Mar 06 14:15 |
| msb | I knew there was a connection. | Mar 06 14:16 |
| Sosumi | but that is not the full deal | Mar 06 14:16 |
| msb | techrights is actually the decision forum for the highest level of world domination -- the eye in the pyramid! | Mar 06 14:17 |
| Sosumi | in fact, | Mar 06 14:17 |
| Sosumi | there's a japan connection | Mar 06 14:17 |
| Sosumi | and a tel aviv connection | Mar 06 14:18 |
| msb | World control through anime'? | Mar 06 14:18 |
| Sosumi | since it appears gazpron also has rights there | Mar 06 14:18 |
| Sosumi | in the gay capital of the world | Mar 06 14:18 |
| Sosumi | no! | Mar 06 14:18 |
| msb | San Francisco? | Mar 06 14:18 |
| Sosumi | ít's a plot to turn western males into sissies | Mar 06 14:19 |
| Sosumi | so that when the commmies come out of hiding | Mar 06 14:19 |
| Sosumi | there wont be much left to deter the advancement of the new red army | Mar 06 14:19 |
| Sosumi | see? | Mar 06 14:19 |
| Sosumi | not even alex jones and his goon squad could have with something as good as this conjecture | Mar 06 14:20 |
| Sosumi | *come | Mar 06 14:20 |
| msb | Right! The length of the word "commmmmies" indicates the size of their schlongs. | Mar 06 14:20 |
| Sosumi | and why should techrights be the eye in the pyramid | Mar 06 14:22 |
| Sosumi | why can't it be the eye above the eye in the pyramid? | Mar 06 14:22 |
| Sosumi | if we're talking about power, manipulation and deception | Mar 06 14:23 |
| msb | Damn, you are all ETs! I knew it! | Mar 06 14:23 |
| Sosumi | why not be at the top of everything? | Mar 06 14:23 |
| MinceR | the "I" of the storm! | Mar 06 14:23 |
| Sosumi | better stop the trolling | Mar 06 14:23 |
| msb | You are not abducting me for an anal probe! No way! | Mar 06 14:24 |
| Sosumi | or we'll give a bad impression to DrPizza | Mar 06 14:24 |
| msb | DrPizza *is* a bad impression. | Mar 06 14:24 |
| Sosumi | LOL | Mar 06 14:25 |
| Sosumi | well, I was going to mock him in that sort of way | Mar 06 14:25 |
| Sosumi | but nvm that now | Mar 06 14:25 |
| MinceR | (flash) (audio) http://jonesrock.ytmnd.com/ | Mar 06 14:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jonesrock.ytmnd.com | YTMND - Indiana Jones Can't Stop the Rock | Mar 06 14:25 | |
| MinceR | i don't care what impression DrPizza gets. | Mar 06 14:25 |
| msb | I'm pretty sure some MS-thug from COLA was using that nick a couple years ago. | Mar 06 14:27 |
| MinceR | he's that m$-thug, isn't he? | Mar 06 14:27 |
| Sosumi | COLA? | Mar 06 14:27 |
| Sosumi | Colloquy of Large Animals? | Mar 06 14:28 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: comp.os.linux.advocacy | Mar 06 14:28 |
| Sosumi | usenet group? | Mar 06 14:28 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 06 14:28 |
| msb | Perhaps "flatfish". | Mar 06 14:30 |
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| msb | Been lying about Linux in COLA for 14 years, saying it destroyed his computer, etc. | Mar 06 14:31 |
| msb | He used to forge articles in my name advocating unsanitary gay activities. He's some kind of fundie christian. | Mar 06 14:34 |
| msb | Used hundreds of pseudonyms. People used to keep lists of them. | Mar 06 14:34 |
| msb | Real name Gary Stewart. | Mar 06 14:40 |
| msb | Lived in New York City. Some kind of musician. Ring any bells with Dr Pizza? | Mar 06 14:41 |
| MinceR | dunno. what i seem to remember is that DrPizza is a m$/DRM troll from arse technica. | Mar 06 14:42 |
| msb | The m$/DRM part certainly fits. | Mar 06 14:43 |
| MinceR | or swpat | Mar 06 14:44 |
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| cubezzz | sounds like a nutbar to me | Mar 06 15:24 |
| cubezzz | anyways remember 1995? | Mar 06 15:27 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/freebsd-1995.jpeg | Mar 06 15:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 06 15:28 |
| Sosumi | made in usa | Mar 06 15:38 |
| Sosumi | NATO's Rasmoussen and Yatsenyuk in press conference togetherm | Mar 06 15:41 |
| Sosumi | just now | Mar 06 15:41 |
| Sosumi | yatsenyuk = maidan skin head | Mar 06 15:42 |
| Sosumi | canada announced sanctions against russia | Mar 06 15:44 |
| Sosumi | watch those canadian assets going all the way tot he pocket of the russian state | Mar 06 15:45 |
| Sosumi | fun fun | Mar 06 15:45 |
| Sosumi | all I can say is that this has been an enjoyable weak | Mar 06 15:45 |
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| MinceR | i thought yatsenyuk was one of the more moderate protesters :> | Mar 06 15:49 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/ukraine-acting-president-loses-it-over-crime-against-nation-crimea-referendum | Mar 06 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Ukraine Acting President Loses It Over "Crime Against Nation" Crimea Referendum | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/grv96 ] | Mar 06 17:16 | |
| Sosumi | lulz | Mar 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/441611450092896256 | Mar 06 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Well, you can beat a dead horse... | Mar 06 17:26 | |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441625569093234688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441624432772403200 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441624059806507008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441623523195633664 | Mar 06 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Totally Legal Computer http://t.co/YAJfaJ46ex "The OS is the core of your computing experience" #gnu #linux | Mar 06 17:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thedailystar.net | Totally Legal Computer | Mar 06 17:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 3D Printing's Next Revolution: Linux http://t.co/DA3YFgbg6D #linux | Mar 06 17:26 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ubuntu is the most used OS for production OpenStack deployments http://t.co/7TGNsss3mK #openstack #gnu #linux #ubuntu | Mar 06 17:26 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Packaged Linux Delivers Network Functions Virtualization http://t.co/pN5PgtuQrb #linux #gnu | Mar 06 17:26 | |
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| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441623375002480640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441622986677059584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441621203770675200 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441614174779875328 | Mar 06 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Wanted: Linux professionals http://t.co/bRwaQl8975 #gnu too, not just #linux - the command line dominated by GNU. | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Popcorn Time lets you stream torrent movies on your Linux desktop http://t.co/Ew6G2nydil #gnu #linux | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| schestowitz_log_ | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3727193 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3727177 | Mar 06 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Linux Foundation to Build Massive Open Online Course Program With edX, Increase Access to Linux Training for All http://t.co/ZCmsakCiYv | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Today in #Techrights http://t.co/R7ynJanBiz | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A Parade of (GNU/)Linux-powered Mobile Operating Systems http://techrights.org/2014/03/06/linux-powered-mobile-os/ #gnu #linux #phones | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 6/3/2014: Games | Mar 06 17:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Between the NSA and Patriot Act, is data privacy extinct? http://t.co/n1FCqYzwj9 #nsa is against the law. Use the law. | Mar 06 17:44 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We are reminded that Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. http://t.co/zumWjNzXvG #putin and #hitler nominated, #obama and #kissinger won | Mar 06 17:44 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Terrolism and journarism http://t.co/8Er8YjvKwe how two concepts get mixed up | Mar 06 17:45 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "drone insanity gripped investors. They ran up the stock of drone maker AeroVironment by $6.71, or 21.33%" http://t.co/UfhyyVvsZ9 | Mar 06 17:45 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Karan Casey Concert to Support Anti-Drone Protests http://t.co/ruDGIvXWHD #drones #cia #droNSA | Mar 06 17:45 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'Leftist' #cnn bashes GOP, not #putin http://t.co/zsi4oLJzJ9 the politics of partisanship in corporate media | Mar 06 17:45 | |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/large-dinosaur-from-portugal-may-have-been-top-european-predator/ | Mar 06 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Large dinosaur from Portugal may have been top European predator | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/grvn5 ] | Mar 06 17:48 | |
| Sosumi | portugal gets the mention on arstechnica | Mar 06 17:48 |
| Sosumi | but a doubt lingers | Mar 06 17:49 |
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| Sosumi | or doesn't :) | Mar 06 17:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #obama complicit in #cia abuses http://t.co/OL0nT2XlOx not just #drones but also illegal #surveillance | Mar 06 17:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee, senator claims | World news | The Guardian | Mar 06 17:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Russian state media accuses US, NATO, and CIA of using Nazis for their political agenda http://t.co/fKt1fm8vVD | Mar 06 17:54 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Controlling politics in other nations using bribes http://t.co/5kaGGZIyjZ... https://t.co/Boi6vqzoQW | Mar 06 17:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2014/03/karzai-corruption-and-cia-bags-of ) | Mar 06 17:54 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Mark Udall: ‘CIA Tried to Intimidate the Intelligence Committee’ http://t.co/gVGmqXMwN0 domestic enemy: private unaccountable agency | Mar 06 17:54 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xpl0.org | XPL0 Programming on the Raspberry Pi | Mar 06 20:38 | |
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| prurigro | yup | Mar 07 03:54 |
| prurigro | msb_: I was just telling someone how awesomely stable freenode is- sometime's its stability is almost too much to take, | Mar 07 03:55 |
| prurigro | :) | Mar 07 03:55 |
| prurigro | msb_: btw, you were anti vaccine right? | Mar 07 03:56 |
| msb_ | Yes, vaccines usually contain mercury, sometimes aluminum -- both neurotoxins. Babies have dropped dead from getting multiple vaccines all at once. | Mar 07 03:57 |
| prurigro | msb_: word, I was skeptical, but I recently heard canada stopped using mercury in the production of our vaccines ~4 years ago | Mar 07 03:57 |
| msb_ | IIRC, freenode had big problems a week ago, too. | Mar 07 03:57 |
| prurigro | so maybe there was something to it | Mar 07 03:57 |
| prurigro | freenode has had at least one major fail pretty much once a week for months now | Mar 07 03:58 |
| msb_ | Also, no need for flu vaccines. 4 grams of vitamin C every few hours will get rid of it, and 5 + 5g /day will probably prevent you from ever getting it. | Mar 07 03:59 |
| msb_ | People who get flu vaccine every year have a much greater chance of getting Alzheimers. | Mar 07 03:59 |
| prurigro | well I mean- the vaccines themselves are an attempt at boosting average immunity, which it does if everyone takes it | Mar 07 04:00 |
| msb_ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/codex/ link to articles about how Vit. C works -- it's totally known! | Mar 07 04:00 |
| prurigro | it doesn't work on some people and other peopel dont' need it | Mar 07 04:00 |
| msb_ | What? | Mar 07 04:01 |
| prurigro | btw- honey > vitamin C | Mar 07 04:01 |
| msb_ | vit C is an essential vitamin. | Mar 07 04:01 |
| prurigro | its antibacterial properties are enough to kill a baby | Mar 07 04:01 |
| prurigro | (honey) | Mar 07 04:01 |
| prurigro | I personally like to drink honey lemon tea | Mar 07 04:01 |
| prurigro | gets you vitamin C and honey | Mar 07 04:01 |
| prurigro | I guess I say honey > vitamin C because I already get so much vitamin C :) | Mar 07 04:01 |
| msb_ | animals of human body weight make 70 GRAMS of vit C per day if they get a serious virus. 70,000 milligrams | Mar 07 04:02 |
| msb_ | There's enough C in citrus fruits to prevent scurvy, but not enough to seriously fight viruses. | Mar 07 04:03 |
| prurigro | word, yeah, it's definitely one of the more important things you can take, though once you have enough more won't do much | Mar 07 04:03 |
| msb_ | "enough" depends on how active a virus you have. | Mar 07 04:03 |
| prurigro | you mean bacteria? | Mar 07 04:03 |
| msb_ | Read the pages on how C works to understand this. | Mar 07 04:04 |
| msb_ | No. White cells fight viruses, and C restores their fuel. Bacteria are fought by floating immunoglobulins. | Mar 07 04:04 |
| prurigro | word, yeah, I understand the mechanisms behind vitamin C- I've read some documents suggesting it's initial reputation was a bit overzealous, but it's still pivitol to good health | Mar 07 04:04 |
| msb_ | Not overzealous at all. | Mar 07 04:05 |
| prurigro | the initial claims I mean | Mar 07 04:06 |
| prurigro | they saw something important and focused in on it like it was the only important thing | Mar 07 04:06 |
| prurigro | msb_: do US vaccines still use mercury? | Mar 07 04:06 |
| msb_ | https://web.archive.org/web/20130302070632/http://www.orthomed.com/ | Mar 07 04:07 |
| msb_ | yes | Mar 07 04:07 |
| msb_ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/codex/2-How_Vitamin_C_Works-Cathcart-with_summary.html | Mar 07 04:08 |
| prurigro | what's this link? it looks like 1994 :) | Mar 07 04:08 |
| prurigro | (the first one) | Mar 07 04:08 |
| msb_ | Dr Robert Cathcart made major discoveries about C and used it a lot. He's dead, and his site is in archive.org. | Mar 07 04:09 |
| prurigro | word, without viamin C you'll have a weakened immune system, and other systems will start to breakdown (your teeth may even fall out) | Mar 07 04:09 |
| prurigro | but there's a cap to how much vitamin C will do anything | Mar 07 04:09 |
| prurigro | luckily it's one of the vitamins that excess gets flushed rather than becoming toxic or whatever | Mar 07 04:10 |
| msb_ | 5 to 10 grams/day is good if you're not sick | Mar 07 04:10 |
| prurigro | so you can take as much as you want | Mar 07 04:10 |
| prurigro | I drink juice and drink honey/lemon tea constantly- not sure how much that equates to | Mar 07 04:10 |
| prurigro | but I gather it's quite a bit | Mar 07 04:10 |
| prurigro | how much do you have? | Mar 07 04:10 |
| msb_ | have? | Mar 07 04:10 |
| prurigro | of vitamin C or vitC containing goods? | Mar 07 04:11 |
| msb_ | 10 lbs. | Mar 07 04:11 |
| prurigro | lol | Mar 07 04:11 |
| msb_ | got it at half price | Mar 07 04:11 |
| prurigro | per day I mean haha | Mar 07 04:11 |
| prurigro | I thought you were trolling for a second there :) | Mar 07 04:11 |
| msb_ | 5 - 10 grams | Mar 07 04:11 |
| prurigro | ahh, so recommended? | Mar 07 04:11 |
| msb_ | yes | Mar 07 04:11 |
| prurigro | I gotta admin, I love the taste of pure vitamin C | Mar 07 04:11 |
| prurigro | eventually it starts to eat away at your tongue and becomes painful | Mar 07 04:11 |
| prurigro | but it's fantastic up till ten | Mar 07 04:12 |
| prurigro | then* | Mar 07 04:12 |
| prurigro | admit* | Mar 07 04:12 |
| msb_ | I mix it with saccharin, which is harmless, and I rinse my mouth with alkaline water. | Mar 07 04:12 |
| msb_ | after drinking it | Mar 07 04:12 |
| prurigro | ack- I can't stand saccharin | Mar 07 04:12 |
| msb_ | tastes fine to me | Mar 07 04:12 |
| prurigro | tastes like chemicals to me | Mar 07 04:13 |
| msb_ | 5 grams of C about 12 hours apart | Mar 07 04:13 |
| prurigro | better than aspartame though, which tastes like anti-sweet | Mar 07 04:13 |
| prurigro | word, yeah, taking it all at once would just flush it out | Mar 07 04:13 |
| msb_ | and gives you methanol | Mar 07 04:13 |
| prurigro | word, not before giving you formaldehyde :) | Mar 07 04:14 |
| msb_ | I don't like the flavor of that plant natural sweetener. like saccharin better | Mar 07 04:14 |
| prurigro | small enough doses not to really matter | Mar 07 04:14 |
| prurigro | but I figure my tongue is sensitive to the poison or something | Mar 07 04:14 |
| msb_ | also distill my water to remove fluoride | Mar 07 04:14 |
| prurigro | flouride is a strange one | Mar 07 04:14 |
| prurigro | I spent a night researching it a while back | Mar 07 04:14 |
| prurigro | you know, to give both sides a fair go | Mar 07 04:15 |
| msb_ | kills the pineal gland, which otherwise produces melatonin and DMT | Mar 07 04:15 |
| prurigro | that's actually not the case | Mar 07 04:15 |
| prurigro | however, there are serious issues caused by it | Mar 07 04:15 |
| msb_ | what? | Mar 07 04:15 |
| msb_ | calcifies the pineal | Mar 07 04:15 |
| prurigro | it doesn't touch the pineal gland | Mar 07 04:15 |
| prurigro | that's a myth | Mar 07 04:15 |
| prurigro | that said | Mar 07 04:15 |
| prurigro | there are horrific things that it's been shown to do | Mar 07 04:16 |
| msb_ | Not in all the many sources I read. | Mar 07 04:16 |
| prurigro | I used only scientific journals as sources | Mar 07 04:16 |
| prurigro | if you can point me to a legitimate source, I might reconsider | Mar 07 04:16 |
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| prurigro | but I've read compelling evidence suggesting it can't pass the BBB at doses many times what you could possibly be exposed to | Mar 07 04:17 |
| msb_ | bbb? | Mar 07 04:18 |
| prurigro | the myth stems from the fact that if you somehow got an impossibly high concentration of it- like say the filtration plant accidentally dumped too much | Mar 07 04:18 |
| prurigro | WAYYYY too much | Mar 07 04:18 |
| prurigro | and you got the amount you'd normally die of water poisoning long before you could ingest enough | Mar 07 04:18 |
| msb_ | you can have my share | Mar 07 04:18 |
| prurigro | there would be a concentration high enough to start doing things like that, if we react like monkey | Mar 07 04:19 |
| prurigro | s | Mar 07 04:19 |
| prurigro | BBB = blood brain barrier | Mar 07 04:19 |
| prurigro | hear me out though | Mar 07 04:19 |
| prurigro | what I did find was that in developing nations, with concentrations lower than the US, people have been getting holes in their teeth | Mar 07 04:19 |
| prurigro | from the flouride | Mar 07 04:19 |
| prurigro | while in developed nations like the US and Canada, where we have more flouride in our water, I've never heard of such a thing | Mar 07 04:20 |
| prurigro | strange eh? | Mar 07 04:20 |
| msb_ | with all your research, you should know how to spell it | Mar 07 04:20 |
| msb_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc | Mar 07 04:38 |
| msb_ | http://www.infowars.com/major-harvard-study-published-in-federal-govt-journal-confirms-fluoride-lowers-iq/ | Mar 07 04:39 |
| msb_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzgKA5zMitQ | Mar 07 04:41 |
| msb_ | lots of links under that last one | Mar 07 04:41 |
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| gde33 | msb_: countries not on fluoride may still have chorine on the tap | Mar 07 05:42 |
| msb_ | True. Cl is not nearly as harmful. | Mar 07 05:43 |
| gde33 | not sure if it is the same but the harvard study I saw was more of a white wash than a study | Mar 07 05:43 |
| gde33 | it seems supper harmful to the unborn | Mar 07 05:43 |
| msb_ | I let the Cl evaporate from my water after I distill it. | Mar 07 05:44 |
| gde33 | check this https://www.google.com/search?q=inside+of+water+mains&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=rlwZU9HZMOTqywPtlIKYBw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=595 | Mar 07 05:44 |
| gde33 | perfectly normal http://www.sandiego.gov/cip/graphics/corrodedwatermain.jpg | Mar 07 05:45 |
| gde33 | http://www.dufresnegroup.com/images/news/mainstreetmain.jpg | Mar 07 05:45 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 07 05:45 |
| gde33 | mmmmmm | Mar 07 05:45 |
| msb_ | Yuck! Distillation gets rid of all that stuff. | Mar 07 05:45 |
| gde33 | coffee | Mar 07 05:46 |
| msb_ | Distiller costs only $170. | Mar 07 05:46 |
| gde33 | no doubt there is some agenda behind this | Mar 07 05:46 |
| gde33 | probably more than one | Mar 07 05:46 |
| msb_ | behind having all the crud in the pipes? | Mar 07 05:47 |
| gde33 | practically all us water mains had to be replaced 10 years ago | Mar 07 05:47 |
| gde33 | yes | Mar 07 05:47 |
| gde33 | you ever hear of viktor schauberger? | Mar 07 05:48 |
| msb_ | I think the agenda is not spending money if it's not necessary. | Mar 07 05:48 |
| msb_ | made some kind of over-unity water turbine? | Mar 07 05:49 |
| gde33 | uhh yes but that isnt very descriptive for the guy | Mar 07 05:49 |
| msb_ | what else has he done? | Mar 07 05:50 |
| gde33 | Schauberger learned from looking at nature | Mar 07 05:50 |
| gde33 | forester was the word I was looking for | Mar 07 05:50 |
| gde33 | he had the misfortune of seeing his forest cut down | Mar 07 05:50 |
| gde33 | while he observed it | Mar 07 05:51 |
| msb_ | horrible! | Mar 07 05:51 |
| gde33 | that way he learned which things would die in response to removing something | Mar 07 05:51 |
| gde33 | things like trees over a creek prevent the sunlight sterilizing everything | Mar 07 05:51 |
| gde33 | he made a machine one time that mimics the way water runs down a mountain | Mar 07 05:52 |
| gde33 | enough violence will kill all the bacteria and break them down to nutrients | Mar 07 05:52 |
| msb_ | interesting! | Mar 07 05:53 |
| gde33 | indeed at one stage he also got high voltage and self sustaining vortex from it | Mar 07 05:53 |
| gde33 | he was known as the water doctor, ill people would visit him, he would give them a drink and they would get better (some of them) | Mar 07 05:53 |
| gde33 | effectiveness depended mostly on how bad their normal drinking water was | Mar 07 05:54 |
| gde33 | trying to find the right picture sorry | Mar 07 05:54 |
| gde33 | humm | Mar 07 05:55 |
| gde33 | I suppose I could just describe it | Mar 07 05:55 |
| gde33 | in a smooth tube the water moves as a collumn | Mar 07 05:56 |
| gde33 | if you open the tap the water just shift sideways, not much going on | Mar 07 05:56 |
| gde33 | victor designed a tube with a dent in it, and a swirl | Mar 07 05:56 |
| gde33 | that way if you open the tap all the water over the whole length is vortexed | Mar 07 05:57 |
| gde33 | does that make sense? | Mar 07 05:57 |
| msb_ | Sure. | Mar 07 05:57 |
| gde33 | it doesn't really move in our tubes | Mar 07 05:57 |
| gde33 | it just slides though it | Mar 07 05:58 |
| gde33 | so it stands still and gets old | Mar 07 05:58 |
| msb_ | There's also the Hilsch vortex tube, which can separate gas into hot and cold. But it's not over-unity. | Mar 07 05:58 |
| gde33 | http://www.vortexwater.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/ViktorPatentApplicationVortexWaterPipe.jpg | Mar 07 05:58 |
| gde33 | the one on the right | Mar 07 05:59 |
| msb_ | But how does he get an energy gain? | Mar 07 05:59 |
| gde33 | no no that is not the point | Mar 07 05:59 |
| gde33 | the point is that dead water is not good for you at all | Mar 07 06:00 |
| gde33 | if it just sits there not moving it turns into poison | Mar 07 06:00 |
| gde33 | stuff grows in it | Mar 07 06:00 |
| gde33 | with the fins the water is vortexed over the whole length of the tube | Mar 07 06:00 |
| gde33 | making it more like mountain spring water | Mar 07 06:01 |
| msb_ | Well, at least the crud in the pipe walls will create turbulence. | Mar 07 06:01 |
| gde33 | lots of people vortex their water for consumption | Mar 07 06:01 |
| gde33 | yeah lol | Mar 07 06:01 |
| gde33 | victors tubes stay clean | Mar 07 06:01 |
| gde33 | his inventions go from ordinary to revolutionary to imaginary | Mar 07 06:02 |
| msb_ | didn't know that. I distill mine, let it sit so the Cl2 evaporates, and mix it with CaCO3 and MgCO3. | Mar 07 06:02 |
| gde33 | he was forced to work for the Nazi's, that is where he made his bullshit | Mar 07 06:02 |
| gde33 | I'm not a chemist, CaCO3 was? | Mar 07 06:03 |
| gde33 | calcium something? | Mar 07 06:03 |
| msb_ | calcium carbonate, Mg is magnesium, Cl is chlorine | Mar 07 06:03 |
| gde33 | carbonate | Mar 07 06:04 |
| gde33 | ok | Mar 07 06:04 |
| gde33 | interesting | Mar 07 06:04 |
| msb_ | I take about 1 MDR of Ca in my water, and 3 of Mg. Mg relaxes the blood vessels and does other good things. | Mar 07 06:04 |
| msb_ | Costs about 40cents/gallon for electricity. | Mar 07 06:05 |
| msb_ | $170 for the machine. | Mar 07 06:05 |
| msb_ | I clean the scale out of the boiler every week or two, with a little ascorbic acid. | Mar 07 06:05 |
| gde33 | I assume the minerals are needed after distilation? | Mar 07 06:05 |
| msb_ | Yes distillation removes all the minerals. It will eat your teeth. | Mar 07 06:06 |
| gde33 | I hear distilled water is not really good for you | Mar 07 06:06 |
| gde33 | ah | Mar 07 06:06 |
| gde33 | some mcdonalds rep explained the situation nicely | Mar 07 06:07 |
| gde33 | they wanted to serve more healthy food but it wasnt exactly what the customer wanted | Mar 07 06:07 |
| gde33 | people didnt want to pay extra for things that tastes the same | Mar 07 06:07 |
| gde33 | his point was that they had to decide for people what was healthy | Mar 07 06:08 |
| gde33 | and force them to pay for it | Mar 07 06:08 |
| msb_ | most people get their health info from fascist mainstream media, or anti-natural doctors | Mar 07 06:08 |
| gde33 | all our food and drinks are garbage because people dont care | Mar 07 06:09 |
| msb_ | I ate one mac burger in my life. tasted like fried fat. | Mar 07 06:09 |
| gde33 | smaller restaurants are much more disgusting | Mar 07 06:10 |
| gde33 | some will serve whatever they have | Mar 07 06:10 |
| gde33 | the customer may get very ill | Mar 07 06:10 |
| gde33 | if mcdonalds does that they have a million ill people | Mar 07 06:10 |
| gde33 | heh there use to be a snackbar here that mostly sold beer | Mar 07 06:11 |
| msb_ | There's a good Chinese place near me, that delivers. I get their food every week or two. Very yummy. So far, their fish isn't radioactive. | Mar 07 06:11 |
| gde33 | their food was.... well.... it is hard to describe.... barely legal | Mar 07 06:11 |
| msb_ | Good in girls, not in food. | Mar 07 06:12 |
| gde33 | they had a meat sandwich with lots of meat on it that was to cheap to imagine | Mar 07 06:12 |
| gde33 | it didnt taste bad at all | Mar 07 06:12 |
| gde33 | I'm sure he started with actual good meat | Mar 07 06:12 |
| msb_ | then you found out it was rats? | Mar 07 06:12 |
| gde33 | he boiled it all week | Mar 07 06:13 |
| gde33 | to extract the flavor | Mar 07 06:13 |
| gde33 | then he would boil really disgusting meat balls in it | Mar 07 06:13 |
| gde33 | really cheap crappy meatballs, you can imagine | Mar 07 06:13 |
| msb_ | Please, I'm eating dinner. | Mar 07 06:13 |
| gde33 | he used the meat to flavor the meat ball | Mar 07 06:13 |
| gde33 | so at the time he sold the meat it was cooked for 2 weeks hahaha | Mar 07 06:14 |
| gde33 | even worse are restaurants set up to launder money | Mar 07 06:15 |
| gde33 | their business model is to get rid of customers asap | Mar 07 06:15 |
| msb_ | so schauberger did not invent an ou machine? | Mar 07 06:16 |
| gde33 | arguably much more amazing things | Mar 07 06:16 |
| gde33 | does the chorine really leave the water by it self? | Mar 07 06:17 |
| msb_ | You can smell it faintly right after distillation, then it leaves. | Mar 07 06:17 |
| msb_ | Same procedure for aquarium water. | Mar 07 06:17 |
| gde33 | does it have to be distilled for it to leave? | Mar 07 06:18 |
| msb_ | Just boiling should do it for Cl2. Not for fluoride. | Mar 07 06:19 |
| gde33 | boil for half an hour? | Mar 07 06:19 |
| gde33 | I read brewers boil for 24 hours | Mar 07 06:19 |
| msb_ | dunno. smell it and see if it smells like a swimming pool | Mar 07 06:19 |
| gde33 | this is the shauberger submarine http://www.tuks.nl/Mirror/frankgermano_net/images/schaubergersubmarine.jpg | Mar 07 06:21 |
| gde33 | the water goes in at the left | Mar 07 06:21 |
| gde33 | then it hits a propeller that smashes it outwards and swirls it | Mar 07 06:21 |
| gde33 | it then squezes the whole sub forwards like an eal | Mar 07 06:21 |
| gde33 | amazing shit | Mar 07 06:22 |
| gde33 | http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesc/sch250.jpg | Mar 07 06:22 |
| gde33 | the air vehicle makes a vortext that extends far in front of the nose | Mar 07 06:23 |
| gde33 | it can do insane speeds, at least on paper :D | Mar 07 06:24 |
| gde33 | his flying disc is even more byzare | Mar 07 06:24 |
| gde33 | it blows air out of the TOP of the disk then sucks it back in at the BOTTOM | Mar 07 06:25 |
| msb_ | You can make a torpedo or maybe a whole sub, go several hundred mph in water by using a jet engine and a disk on the front that opens a vacuum cavity at high speeds. Cavitation. | Mar 07 06:25 |
| gde33 | yes, that is the principal | Mar 07 06:25 |
| gde33 | just like you can crank up a jet engine to the point where the air blown out at the back is sucked back in at the front again | Mar 07 06:26 |
| msb_ | Never heard of it working in air, though. | Mar 07 06:26 |
| gde33 | not sure what that effect is called, it is the logical limit for those things | Mar 07 06:26 |
| gde33 | shauberger suggests to put it on the craft backwards hahaha! | Mar 07 06:26 |
| gde33 | briliant | Mar 07 06:27 |
| msb_ | The Russian sub Kirsk had cavitation torps, and they blew it up. | Mar 07 06:27 |
| msb_ | volatile rocket fuel | Mar 07 06:27 |
| gde33 | people build this model disk http://www.roswellufomuseum.com/images/research/topics/nazis/nazi11.jpg | Mar 07 06:28 |
| gde33 | with the air comming out at the top and going back in at the bottom | Mar 07 06:28 |
| gde33 | it worked | Mar 07 06:28 |
| gde33 | like a conver belt made of air | Mar 07 06:28 |
| msb_ | What makes the air circle around to the bottom? | Mar 07 06:29 |
| gde33 | an engine | Mar 07 06:29 |
| msb_ | The engine is only pushing the air upward. | Mar 07 06:30 |
| gde33 | and sucking it back in at the bottom | Mar 07 06:30 |
| gde33 | it has to draw it's air from some place | Mar 07 06:30 |
| msb_ | it has the whole atmosphere to draw from | Mar 07 06:31 |
| msb_ | I don't believe it would fly. | Mar 07 06:31 |
| gde33 | [07:26:20] <gde33> just like you can crank up a jet engine to the point where the air blown out at the back is sucked back in at the front again | Mar 07 06:31 |
| msb_ | ground-effect craft and helicopters blow the air downward | Mar 07 06:31 |
| msb_ | No, I don't think that would happen. | Mar 07 06:32 |
| gde33 | do they really? ohh? | Mar 07 06:32 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 07 06:32 |
| msb_ | yep | Mar 07 06:32 |
| gde33 | he was amazingly abused his whole life for thinking up these things | Mar 07 06:32 |
| gde33 | in the end he flew back home and said, they took everything from me I dont even own myself anymore, shortly after he died | Mar 07 06:33 |
| msb_ | He should have built one and flown away from the nazis. | Mar 07 06:33 |
| gde33 | that one cant imagine that would happen is what makes him such a briliant inventor :) | Mar 07 06:34 |
| msb_ | huh? | Mar 07 06:35 |
| msb_ | I can imagine anything would work if it actually does work. | Mar 07 06:35 |
| gde33 | http://jlnlabs.free.fr/gfsuav/index.htm | Mar 07 06:36 |
| gde33 | I think that was the one | Mar 07 06:37 |
| gde33 | I only vaguely remember | Mar 07 06:39 |
| gde33 | but the effect does exist in jet engines, it is well known actually | Mar 07 06:40 |
| msb_ | Cute! Wonder how long it can stay up carrying its batteries. | Mar 07 06:40 |
| msb_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coand%C4%83_effect | Mar 07 06:40 |
| msb_ | Gues the bot is dead. | Mar 07 06:41 |
| gde33 | netsplit | Mar 07 06:41 |
| msb_ | Remember fluid logic? I think that used the Coanda effect. | Mar 07 06:43 |
| msb_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluidics | Mar 07 06:45 |
| gde33 | the Coandă effect is just the sticking to the surface | Mar 07 06:46 |
| gde33 | what is the effect that causes the high pressure behind the jet engine to fill the vacuum in front of it? | Mar 07 06:47 |
| gde33 | where it fails and the air folds arround it | Mar 07 06:47 |
| msb_ | I don't think that happens. | Mar 07 06:47 |
| gde33 | of course that happens | Mar 07 06:47 |
| gde33 | that is why they make them bigger and put more than 2 on the craft | Mar 07 06:48 |
| gde33 | with your theory you could use an infintly small one :D | Mar 07 06:48 |
| msb_ | no, that's because the thrust from a single one isn't enough to propel a heavy plane | Mar 07 06:49 |
| gde33 | I'm looking for the name of this well known effect | Mar 07 06:49 |
| msb_ | and you can't make the airflow much faster than sound or you get all kinds of shockwave problems | Mar 07 06:49 |
| msb_ | It's called the LSD effect. | Mar 07 06:50 |
| msb_ | I love how in the movie _They Live_ the sunglasses that allow the heroes to see the aliens are called Hoffman lenses. | Mar 07 06:51 |
| gde33 | I remember it but didnt get that joke | Mar 07 06:52 |
| msb_ | Albert Hoffman discovered LSD. | Mar 07 06:52 |
| gde33 | ha ok | Mar 07 06:53 |
| msb_ | Accidentally ingested a little of it and had a very strange bicycle ride home from his lab. | Mar 07 06:54 |
| gde33 | haha | Mar 07 06:58 |
| gde33 | still cant find the name :/ | Mar 07 06:59 |
| gde33 | I just remembered that the effect also exists if the propeller on a boat is to small | Mar 07 06:59 |
| gde33 | it will just make a donut of swirling water rather than thrust | Mar 07 07:00 |
| msb_ | It doesn't happen. The air/water being thrust back from the vehicle is what pushes the vehicle forward. | Mar 07 07:00 |
| msb_ | cavitation | Mar 07 07:00 |
| msb_ | To be avoided in subs because it makes a lot of noise. | Mar 07 07:01 |
| gde33 | pressure works in all directions | Mar 07 07:02 |
| gde33 | not just 1 | Mar 07 07:02 |
| gde33 | same for vacuum | Mar 07 07:02 |
| msb_ | See _The Hunt for Red October_ or _Crimson Tide_ -- both great movies. | Mar 07 07:02 |
| gde33 | your argument is that you can have unlimited pressure next to unlimited vacuum without the 2 interacting | Mar 07 07:04 |
| gde33 | cant you see how silly that is? | Mar 07 07:04 |
| gde33 | it will go in a straight line up to some point | Mar 07 07:04 |
| gde33 | not forever | Mar 07 07:05 |
| gde33 | I did see the Net as you suggested | Mar 07 07:06 |
| gde33 | it was much fun | Mar 07 07:06 |
| gde33 | :) | Mar 07 07:06 |
| msb_ | a jet plane and its exhaust go in opposite directions. The exhaust does not circle around and get sucked back into the engines. | Mar 07 07:07 |
| msb_ | Yes, great movie! | Mar 07 07:07 |
| gde33 | say we are producing 100 bar in our imaginary jet engine :P | Mar 07 07:08 |
| msb_ | Now try The Mothman Prophecies http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265349/combined | Mar 07 07:09 |
| gde33 | unless the craft is moving really fast it will suck in that air from 360 degrees | Mar 07 07:09 |
| gde33 | it will also blow in all directions | Mar 07 07:09 |
| msb_ | No, the exhaust blows backwards only. | Mar 07 07:10 |
| gde33 | at 100 bar? | Mar 07 07:10 |
| msb_ | And if it came back in the front it wouldn't support combustion. | Mar 07 07:10 |
| gde33 | say we nail our aircraft to the floor | Mar 07 07:10 |
| msb_ | how much is a bar? | Mar 07 07:10 |
| gde33 | is the air still moving only backwards? | Mar 07 07:10 |
| gde33 | 10000000 bar | Mar 07 07:10 |
| gde33 | 10000000 atmosphere | Mar 07 07:10 |
| msb_ | in any actual jet or rocket engine, the exhaust only moves backward (unless it hits large some solid object) | Mar 07 07:11 |
| msb_ | except ground-effect machines, where the exhaust, or air from the fans, hits the ground, turns back up, and pushes the vehicle upward. | Mar 07 07:14 |
| msb_ | but only a few feet above the ground | Mar 07 07:14 |
| msb_ | Mothman is very different from The Net. Mystical/psychic. | Mar 07 07:16 |
| gde33 | the top image http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/87/Pitotintake.svg/220px-Pitotintake.svg.png | Mar 07 07:16 |
| gde33 | Mothman Prophecies looks fun | Mar 07 07:17 |
| msb_ | It's very good. | Mar 07 07:19 |
| msb_ | A pitot tube is being rammed thru the air by the motion of the plane. It's not propelling the plane. | Mar 07 07:20 |
| gde33 | but you can see it isn't going in straight but being sucked in from all directions | Mar 07 07:21 |
| gde33 | as long as the thrust is big and the speed is low | Mar 07 07:21 |
| msb_ | Venturi effect? | Mar 07 07:22 |
| gde33 | the saucer design is suppose to hover | Mar 07 07:22 |
| gde33 | basically yes | Mar 07 07:22 |
| gde33 | if "forwards" speed is 0 it will just take whatever air is there 360 degrees arround the inlet | Mar 07 07:23 |
| gde33 | like sucking in air with your mouth doesnt have the same effect as blowing | Mar 07 07:24 |
| msb_ | pitot tubes don't have any sources of suction, so if they aren't moving, they don't take in any air at all. | Mar 07 07:25 |
| msb_ | Take a plastic bag, open the mouth, and swing it thru the air mouth-first. The bag will inflate as air is rammed into it. | Mar 07 07:26 |
| msb_ | A pitot tube is a passive device. | Mar 07 07:27 |
| msb_ | brb | Mar 07 07:28 |
| gde33 | it's ok, 90% of schaubergers inventions are not understood | Mar 07 07:28 |
| gde33 | you dont have to understand | Mar 07 07:28 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 07 07:30 |
| gde33 | I enjoyed this one a lot http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044876/ | Mar 07 07:31 |
| gde33 | nap time for me ;) | Mar 07 07:31 |
| gde33 | cu | Mar 07 07:31 |
| msb_ | good night | Mar 07 07:47 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan | Mar 07 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | & Syria can’t contribute to US based open | Mar 07 08:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Our Assignment | Tux Machines | Mar 07 08:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux Setup - Graham Morrison, Linux Voice | Tux Machines | Mar 07 08:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan & Syria can’t contribute to US based open source projects? | Tux Machines | Mar 07 08:04 | |
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| msb_ | "Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan.." -- Don't ask, don't tell is a good solution. It would be a shame for World Community Open Source to be inhibited by fascist US/EU/Israel/Bankster domination. | Mar 07 11:34 |
| msb_ | Looks like the netsplit is healed and everybody's back -- great! | Mar 07 11:35 |
| MinceR | i doubt that developers from Cuba or North Korea can even get their code abroad | Mar 07 11:49 |
| MinceR | not sure about the others | Mar 07 11:49 |
| MinceR | as for RH, maybe they need a subsidiary in another country to get around stupid US laws | Mar 07 11:49 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm glad I topped off my tank at $3.48. | Mar 07 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | My phone just buzzed again. It's going up to $3.96 in Fort Wayne. | Mar 07 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 12:39 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 07 12:55 |
| Sosumi | KSA just designated the Muslem Brotherhood as a terrorist organization | Mar 07 12:56 |
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| Sosumi | what about the KSA royals? aren't they one of the financial backbones of terrorism | Mar 07 12:57 |
| Sosumi | of which at the time of the Libyan incursion and the egyptian unrest | Mar 07 12:59 |
| MinceR | http://ur1.ca/gs4sn | Mar 07 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ioerror: I really encourage everyone to read #Snowden's testimony to the #European #Parliament: http://t.co/Yf4SCJDeoI | Mar 07 12:59 | |
| Sosumi | they were supporting the bros from the Muslem Brotherhood | Mar 07 12:59 |
| Sosumi | it seems to me thx to the failure to actually generate proper results | Mar 07 13:00 |
| Sosumi | that the love affair has been termianted | Mar 07 13:00 |
| Sosumi | the europarl is a just a bunch of empty suits who all they do is found creative ways to insult each other | Mar 07 13:01 |
| Sosumi | *find | Mar 07 13:01 |
| Sosumi | the real power is in the hands of the commission | Mar 07 13:02 |
| Sosumi | *cough* unelected commission | Mar 07 13:02 |
| MinceR | that's not the point of my link, though :> | Mar 07 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_rvt_np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx6FW6TQI1X6KW#CustomerDiscussionsNew | Mar 07 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Should we bring back a national maximum speed limit of 55 MPH? [ http://ur1.ca/gs55m ] | Mar 07 13:04 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that there have been occasional efforts, when gas prices are moving up, to revive the national 55 MPH speed limit. | Mar 07 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | According to everything I've read, 55 MPH is very effective as a gas saving device. | Mar 07 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/26/autos/slow_down_save_gas/ | Mar 07 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com | Speeding wastes gas - Mar. 27, 2008 [ http://ur1.ca/gs55o ] | Mar 07 13:04 | |
| DaemonFC | "In a typical family sedan, every 10 miles per hour you drive over 60 is like the price of gasoline going up about 54 cents a gallon. That figure will be even higher for less fuel-efficient vehicles that go fewer miles on a gallon to start with." | Mar 07 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | I used to commute about 30 miles each way to work and back. I limited my speed to 55 MPH and turned the speed control on. | Mar 07 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't make other drivers very happy, but it saved me a lot of money. | Mar 07 13:04 |
| Sosumi | and it is pointless, the present EU acts and well, is, a satellite of the anglo-american hegemony | Mar 07 13:04 |
| MinceR | apparently the membership of the commission sort of depends on elected people, though :> | Mar 07 13:05 |
| Sosumi | I didn't vote barroso in | Mar 07 13:05 |
| Sosumi | nor the baroness ashton | Mar 07 13:05 |
| Sosumi | nor the gullon von rumpoy | Mar 07 13:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, von rompuy is unelected | Mar 07 13:06 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_commission#Appointment | Mar 07 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | European Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gs56c ] | Mar 07 13:06 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | The tickets issued by the Indiana State Police used to say "Slow down. 55 saves lives and gas.". | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know if they still say that or not, but it is true. At 55, you're definitely not going to get any tickets, either. | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | The last time I saw a speeding ticket was back in the 90s, when my mom got one. I've never had one. I've been driving for 14 years. | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | In the time I've been driving, mom has probably paid the Indiana State Police $500-600. She almost had to go to defensive driving, but a few points fell off her license just in time to get a new ticket. | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | She had her license revoked once, but not for speeding, and they didn't even tell her. So, she drove a year on a revoked license and then got this thing in the mail that said "You are eligible to have your license reinstated.". | Mar 07 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | It turned out that the new (at the time) state law said that if you couldn't prove you had insurance within 30 days of being pulled over for any infraction, they automatically revoked your license. She didn't have her insurance card, and the cop said "Don't worry about it.". | Mar 07 13:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu, | Mar 07 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | compared and contrasted http://t.co/4RMByYKoOp | Mar 07 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu, compared and contrasted | Tux Machines | Mar 07 13:29 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | My boyfriend just made slightly over the income line to qualify for the Marketplace. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | I told him if I was a tipped worker in a red state (like Indiana), and made just short of that, that I'd report slightly more tips than I got and pay a little bit more in taxes, but it will push you into the qualification bracket for the Marketplace, where you can get a deep discount on private health insurance plans. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | Since Indiana isn't expanding Medicaid, it would get you out of the coverage gap. You'll pay a few dollars more in taxes, but you'll get it all back when you get that $250-300 a month affordability credit. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | That's how perverse this law actually is in red states. It forces some people to lie and claim more income than they actually made if they want health insurance. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | Hell, tell 'em you mowed lawns and shoveled snow for cash and would like to declare that as taxable income, and use that to get yourself into the Marketplace.... | Mar 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: At least I got my mom's weasel gene. | Mar 07 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | It's probably why I'm still alive. | Mar 07 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2008/05/22/poll-can-you-drive-55-should-we-bring-the-national-speed-limit-back/ | Mar 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | "After Congress repealed the National Maximum Speed Law and 33 states raised their speed limits, the Cato Institute said traffic deaths dropped to a record low." | Mar 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | Sounds like one of those "Number of Pirates compared to rate of global warming." comparisons. | Mar 07 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consumerist.com | Poll: Can You Drive 55? Should We Bring The National Speed Limit Back? – Consumerist [ http://ur1.ca/gs5ge ] | Mar 07 13:46 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't suppose it has anything to do with new government-mandated safety features that came into law since then? | Mar 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | "But the American Heritage Foundation claims 12 years of 55 mph speed limits cut fuel consumption by just 1 percent." | Mar 07 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | That's because people widely ignored it because states set the penalty too low. New Mexico actually set up a fine of $5 for going above 55 and below 65. The fine was so low that it wasn't even worth the cop's time and trouble to pull you over, so it basically never happened. | Mar 07 13:47 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: As we argued last year, for those who seek a cutting-edge, secure, community-driven distribution that is not Debian “unstable”, Arch is definitely an option. One can think of Manjaro, Chakra etc. as the Knoppix/Ubuntu of Debian. | Mar 07 13:52 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: actually, arch is MORE bleeding edge than Sid | Mar 07 13:52 |
| XFaCE | which is awesome | Mar 07 13:53 |
| MinceR | "if i want cutting edge, i'll buy a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i'll use it." | Mar 07 13:59 |
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| DaemonFC | LDVZ says: | Mar 07 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | All too true, it's sad that Americans must down-play or up-play their circumstances to just get the help that the majority so clearly needs. I live in Oregon where the adoption of the ACA was never in doubt, but for these so-called Right-to-work states, it is corporate capital that decides policy. These states are so beholden to corporate interests that they are willing to condemn their poorer residents to yet another century of no health care. I | Mar 07 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | consider myself an unabashed Capitalist, although, I believe there are certain realms which are best dealt with by state regulation. The free-market Capitalists have had their go, and in their wake they have left vast pockets of misery across America. It's clear that the market does not "fix all." We are going to have to continue to fight for what is right in this country if we are to beat these money worshiping, heartless venture Capitalists. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | There is no compromise with them, they want it all and if not they are willing to sink the ship while trying. They don't pledge allegiance to this country or its people, they pledge allegiance to capital. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | Exactly. Never in my life did I think that anyone would ever get ahead by lying on their taxes and saying they made more money. But, thanks to Republican roadblocks to Medicaid expansion, that is indeed the case. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | I can't exactly find a moral reason not to do that. It's a lesser evil than ending up with no health insurance at all. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | It's wrong, it's stupid, and nobody should have to do it, but it's their rules, and you just have to suffer under them. | Mar 07 14:02 |
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| satipera | @schestowitz hi roy, i have just read your piece in tux machines about running tux machines. i wondered what was the story behind you two leading you to be running tux machines | Mar 07 15:22 |
| Sosumi | ECB's Draghi just now | Mar 07 16:07 |
| Sosumi | euro's island of stability | Mar 07 16:07 |
| *Sosumi wants to puke | Mar 07 16:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/2CvSLNd3nn | Mar 07 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6v6 | Mar 07 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Replacing KDE4 with Xfce http://t.co/eE6yWq6CFK | Mar 07 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6v8 | Mar 07 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ThoughtWorks Open Sources Go, a CD Tool | Mar 07 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/hDXGaUFRBS | Mar 07 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6va | Mar 07 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Do users really need Windows applications in | Mar 07 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chrome OS? http://t.co/Gc03I1Y5Fr | Mar 07 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6vb | Mar 07 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Mar 07 16:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Replacing KDE4 with Xfce | Tux Machines | Mar 07 16:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ThoughtWorks Open Sources Go, a CD Tool | Tux Machines | Mar 07 16:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Do users really need Windows applications in Chrome OS? | Tux Machines | Mar 07 16:57 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Bill Gates said it himself though. | Mar 07 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight." | Mar 07 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | At this point, Microsoft has built something with the weight and fuel requirements of a 787, and the standard features of a Cessna. | Mar 07 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | I can just imagine Dave Cutler's NT in there somewhere under that mess pleading...."Help meeeee! Help meeeeeee!". | Mar 07 17:12 |
| MinceR | more like "kill meeeee...." | Mar 07 17:17 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ron+hovsepian&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wwIaU8GDDYWqhAecl4GYBw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=932&bih=1100 | Mar 07 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.co.uk | ron hovsepian - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/gs72n ] | Mar 07 17:34 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | Bank robbery - What happens when you go to talk to a bank about a loan and they rob you. | Mar 07 17:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android woes could be an opportunity for Ubuntu | Mar 07 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones http://t.co/mzQXqBSiDH | Mar 07 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs73d | Mar 07 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android woes could be an opportunity for Ubuntu smartphones | Tux Machines | Mar 07 17:38 | |
| Sosumi | cuda 6 RC now officially supported on centos | Mar 07 17:38 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: Roy, thanks for mentioning this article: "Replacing KDE4 with Xfce". It's one of a series of articles (which it links to) for people unhappy with KDE4 (aka The Giant Behemoth), and even mentions Trinity Desktop. I will post the URLs to Trinity IRC and lists. | Mar 07 18:00 |
| msb_ | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/199397/ | Mar 07 18:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: Replacing KDE4 with Xfce [ http://ur1.ca/gs798 ] | Mar 07 18:02 | |
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| schestowitz__ | msb_: cool | Mar 07 18:39 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, I know you and cubelog use kde3 | Mar 07 18:39 |
| msb_ | For the wacky among ye, note that The Giant Behemoth (1959) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052611/combined is well-seeded in BT, and also available in Usenet. | Mar 07 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Giant Behemoth (1959) [ http://ur1.ca/gs7hm ] | Mar 07 18:40 | |
| msb_ | in glorious black and white. | Mar 07 18:40 |
| msb_ | schestowitz__: And I'll switch to Trinity if KDE3 disappears entirely. | Mar 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/GMagnaCarta/status/442006998578888704 | Mar 07 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GMagnaCarta: @schestowitz THIS surveillance is wholly acceptable. Can we support them? #globalmagnacarta http://t.co/aMbDnEt605 | Mar 07 18:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aspinallfoundation.org | Celebrating 30 Years of Conservation | The Aspinall Foundation | Mar 07 18:43 | |
| msb_ | and XFaCE (whom I haven't seen for a while) uses xfce | Mar 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah | Mar 07 18:47 |
| schestowitz__ | [15:22] <satipera> @schestowitz hi roy, i have just read your piece in tux machines about running tux machines. i wondered what was the story behind you two leading you to be running tux machines | Mar 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | Hi satipera | Mar 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | Susan put it on sale | Mar 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | In 2013 | Mar 07 18:48 |
| msb_ | I do hope the KDE4 apps continue to work under KDE3, having just found that the System Monitor can show me 3 CPU and 1 mobo temperature reading from my hardware sensors. | Mar 07 18:49 |
| satipera | @schestowitz i see, thanks, another site i know i can trust :) | Mar 07 18:57 |
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| MinceR | XFaCE is still here :> | Mar 07 19:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines If Beast Died Tomorrow, Chromebook 2 Could Be | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Its Replacement http://t.co/z2KOY04rvR | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q0 | Mar 07 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 8 1401 Android tablet launched at $170 | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Wsa5AHx4bg | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q1 | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Attack of the 64-bit Octa-core: A Roundup of | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Newly Announced Mobile Processors | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/BgNHn0YCiT | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q4 | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AllCast adds DLNA support | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/me8coiaoYx | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q5 | Mar 07 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | If Beast Died Tomorrow, Chromebook 2 Could Be Its Replacement | Tux Machines | Mar 07 19:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @luqoxoa @tuxmachines http://t.co/qBlaJBFZlm #Exbhoc | Mar 07 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q9 | Mar 07 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP 8 1401 Android tablet launched at $170 | Tux Machines | Mar 07 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Attack of the 64-bit Octa-core: A Roundup of Newly Announced Mobile Processors | Tux Machines | Mar 07 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AllCast adds DLNA support | Tux Machines | Mar 07 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-301 redirect without Location header | Mar 07 19:13 | |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/what-student-loans-are-really-used-depressing-case-studies | Mar 07 20:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | What Student Loans Are Really Used For: The Depressing Case Studies | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gs8a9 ] | Mar 07 20:26 | |
| Sosumi | a part of me died after reading that article | Mar 07 20:26 |
| Sosumi | $50000 in student loan debt | Mar 07 20:27 |
| Sosumi | in order to stock up the fridge and the stay at home mother | Mar 07 20:27 |
| Sosumi | taking all the courses she can | Mar 07 20:28 |
| Sosumi | on the other hand, maybe I should go the US and become a perpetual student | Mar 07 20:29 |
| Sosumi | living on the chump change of the student loan while on the side keep doing what I am doing now | Mar 07 20:30 |
| Sosumi | ofc I am joking | Mar 07 20:31 |
| Sosumi | although I admit that I've considering in studying biology | Mar 07 20:31 |
| Sosumi | after I'm done with physics | Mar 07 20:31 |
| Sosumi | but university is inexpensive in portugal | Mar 07 20:32 |
| Sosumi | bachelor+master is roughly 6000€ | Mar 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Wow, so many Novell execs landed in the same company https://twitter.com/ianrbruce | Mar 07 20:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com | Ian Bruce (ianrbruce) on Twitter | Mar 07 20:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | Hovsepian, Bruce... | Mar 07 20:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Registration opens for Document Freedom Day | Mar 07 21:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2014 http://t.co/hfrN5DbTu0 | Mar 07 21:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs8lz | Mar 07 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Registration opens for Document Freedom Day 2014 | Tux Machines | Mar 07 21:16 | |
| Sosumi | http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm | Mar 07 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.csail.mit.edu | How To Make A Mint: The Cryptography of Anonymous Electronic Cash [ http://ur1.ca/gs8vt ] | Mar 07 21:58 | |
| Sosumi | from 1996 | Mar 07 21:58 |
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| schestowitz__ | [19:08] <MinceR> XFaCE is still here :> | Mar 07 22:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Less active than he was some years ago | Mar 07 22:22 |
| schestowitz__ | [20:26] <Sosumi> a part of me died after reading that article | Mar 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | !google michael moore student loan boot neck | Mar 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Michael Moore on Student Debt: 'The Boot on Your Neck' - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DM16NjL6Ja2Q | Mar 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Student Debt Video Playlist | Student Body of America Association | http://www.studentbodyofamerica.org/video-playlists/student-debt | Mar 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Video Playlists | Student Body of America Association | http://www.studentbodyofamerica.org/video-playlists | Mar 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Michael Moore: Here Comes Trouble - FORA.tv | http://fora.tv/2011/10/02/Michael_Moore_Here_Comes_Trouble | Mar 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | see [1] | Mar 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Lessig still uses apple garbage http://www.lessig.org/2014/03/help-with-a-mail-client-for-the-increasingly-unfriendly-os-x-platform/ | Mar 07 22:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lessig.org | Help with a Mail client (for the increasingly unfriendly OS X platform)? | Lessig [ http://ur1.ca/grhl7 ] | Mar 07 22:25 | |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2014/mar/1/euro-candidate-vote-2014/ | Mar 07 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "This election will be hard, and no doubt dominated by the negative UKIP agenda. We are offering something really different - a vision for a Britain really engaged internationally, but pushing for the fundamental change that Europe needs on all levels to make it really work. To make it truly democratic and a politics of the people." | Mar 07 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pirateparty.org.uk | Euro Candidate Vote 2014 - Pirate Party UK [ http://ur1.ca/gs91l ] | Mar 07 22:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First beta of KDE Applications 4.13 is out | Mar 07 23:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RkAtBAuL03 | Mar 07 23:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs9c9 | Mar 07 23:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First beta of KDE Applications 4.13 is out | Tux Machines | Mar 07 23:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1JMMWMOBGAX38 | Mar 08 00:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The GOP had a minority outreach session at CPAC. [ http://ur1.ca/gs9tg ] | Mar 08 00:34 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/06/1282678/-The-GOP-s-problem-with-non-white-voters-in-one-awesome-picture | Mar 08 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | If you ever need to clear the room at a GOP convention in the future, you know exactly what to do, I guess. LOL | Mar 08 00:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | The GOP's problem with non-white voters, in one awesome picture [ http://ur1.ca/gs9tj ] | Mar 08 00:35 | |
| DaemonFC | It probably works better than screaming "Fire!". | Mar 08 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | Just scream "black people!" and the entire convention will go running out the fire exits. | Mar 08 00:35 |
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| MinceR | gn | Mar 08 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/03/07/new-android-rat-infects-google-play-apps-turning-phones-into-spyware-zombies | Mar 08 03:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com | New Android "RAT" infects Google Play apps, turning phones into spyware zombies [ http://ur1.ca/gsb6a ] | Mar 08 03:36 | |
| DaemonFC | Do we want to respond to this crap? | Mar 08 03:37 |
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| prurigro | 99% of android phones are already spyware zombies | Mar 08 04:11 |
| prurigro | I guess what people consider spyware these days depends which companies are getting access to your info | Mar 08 04:12 |
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| stuufff | Currently shadow boxing | Mar 08 06:09 |
| stuufff | saving the planet | Mar 08 06:09 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/vfdal/status/442068894845386752 | Mar 08 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@vfdal: @schestowitz Comcast appears to have forbidden ANY MSNBC on-air discussion. Alex Wagner failed to ask Julian Assange about it today. | Mar 08 06:52 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3724039 | Mar 08 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Why XFCE beats KD... | Mar 08 06:55 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Cinnamon" | Mar 08 06:56 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3730869 | Mar 08 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Do users really n... | Mar 08 06:57 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Short answer: No Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo.' | Mar 08 06:57 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3731736 | Mar 08 06:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Corporate media i... | Mar 08 06:58 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Gee. Thanks Comflix." | Mar 08 06:58 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3731765 | Mar 08 06:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Passing enterpris... | Mar 08 06:59 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Sounds like Windows users. As far as privacy goes, they probably did better sending the laptop by snail mail. Sending it by email or their vpn would have left copies all over the place." | Mar 08 06:59 |
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| schestowitz__ | http://www.advogato.org/article/1076.html | Mar 08 07:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.advogato.org | Advogato: Universal HealthCare - is it possible? [ http://ur1.ca/gsdmc ] | Mar 08 07:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | http://fossforce.com/2014/03/ubuntu-keeps-mysql-xp-wont-go-away/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-keeps-mysql-xp-wont-go-away | Mar 08 07:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Ubuntu Keeps MySQL, Why XP Won't Go Away & More… - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/gsdmj ] | Mar 08 07:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Video of the Week: Yocto Project Saves | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Embedded Linux Devs from Frankenstein OS | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ktWrbAmNsh | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsdux | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Early Look at How Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty Is | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shaping Up http://t.co/MuuhSJisGU | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsduz | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) 201403 review | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WWX0sRoVMq | Mar 08 07:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Open-Source Performance Over Three | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Years, Compared To Legacy Catalyst | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tnCN5erXbO | Mar 08 07:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Distros Compared, Free Ed, and Making Money | Mar 08 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/bK88rEFSoi | Mar 08 07:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Video of the Week: Yocto Project Saves Embedded Linux Devs from Frankenstein OS | Tux Machines | Mar 08 07:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Early Look at How Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty Is Shaping Up | Tux Machines | Mar 08 07:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) 201403 review | Tux Machines | Mar 08 07:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon Open-Source Performance Over Three Years, Compared To Legacy Catalyst | Tux Machines | Mar 08 07:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distros Compared, Free Ed, and Making Money | Tux Machines | Mar 08 07:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @VonnieSans6616 @tuxmachines Mix the particular Solutions to | Mar 08 07:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Generate income online .www.f4we.com/finance | Mar 08 07:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsdvm | Mar 08 07:56 |
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| schestowitz__ | twitter spam issues | Mar 08 08:45 |
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| schestowitz__ | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2014/030514-network-firewalls-aren39t-dead-279436.html?source=nww_rss | Mar 08 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Network firewalls aren't dead yet - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/gsejv ] | Mar 08 09:00 | |
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| msb_ | That article "Why XFCE beats KDE" is crap for newbies. First thing it talks about is installing a "theme", and spends a lot of space on that. The best "theme" is a neutral gray that doesn't distract the eye. If you want to see a picture, display one in a window. This is elementary psychology. Then the article doesn't even mention multiple named desktops that are very quick and easy to switch between, allowing uncluttered setups for | Mar 08 11:13 |
| msb_ | various activities and projects. That's one of KDE3 and XFCE's most valuable features, giving you in effect 20 computers instead of one. At least for KDE3 and Trinity; I don't know how it works with XFCE, and KDE4 has totally ruined it by making the desktop names unreadable in the selector applet. | Mar 08 11:13 |
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| msb_ | Very interesting and thorough article there! | Mar 08 18:27 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | Referring a gay person to a "conversion therapist" (discredited pseudo-scientific religious bunk) is an act of hate. All those "ex-gay" programs do is teach people to hate themselves over a fact of life. | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | Being gay is a fact of life. Like being six feet tall or having blue eyes. | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | She shouldn't have been told to attend a "remediation program". She should have been fired immediately. | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | It would be nice if there was a remediation program for Fundamentalist Christians which could successfully convert them into human beings. | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | But, you have to want to improve, and they don't. | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | "As a manager at Walmart, I fired one person for calling me a ****ot. My store manager backed me up. I fought her unemployment case and won. " | Mar 02 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | "What's really funny is that the woman I fired used Walmart as a job reference. | Mar 02 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | I told them "she was fired over an integrity issue". | Mar 02 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | That usually means stealing. I got like 5-6 calls wanting references and I kept telling them that." | Mar 02 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/vladimir-putin-crimean-coup-russia-ukraine | Mar 02 03:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Crimean coup is payback by Putin for Ukraine's revolution | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/gqd3n ] | Mar 02 03:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUb2OJn1rgY | Mar 02 06:17 |
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| MinceR | https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1939990_10152268391438293_863846184_n.jpg | Mar 02 07:04 |
| gde33 | msb: The liars<msb> So the wealthy liars are going to make their content free. <msb> Their media lying and swindling is how they stay in power. | Mar 02 07:08 |
| gde33 | I'm not so sure that would work as well as it does at the moment. | Mar 02 07:08 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 02 07:47 |
| MinceR | https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1794731_1469697196578376_629768553_n.jpg | Mar 02 07:56 |
| Sosumi | I'd rather have russia visiting me | Mar 02 08:29 |
| Sosumi | than some US/nato fascistoids | Mar 02 08:29 |
| Sosumi | or some british inbred lunatics | Mar 02 08:30 |
| Sosumi | aka the royal parasites and supporting "nobility" | Mar 02 08:31 |
| Sosumi | *cough* baroness Ashton *cough* | Mar 02 08:31 |
| Sosumi | didn't vote for her | Mar 02 08:31 |
| Sosumi | yet she's there at the EU dictating foreign policy | Mar 02 08:31 |
| MinceR | russia isn't fascist? cool story bro :> | Mar 02 08:32 |
| Sosumi | when was the last time I've seen russia imposing regime change in other countries? | Mar 02 08:33 |
| Sosumi | what I have to say is when you see russia being the good guy | Mar 02 08:33 |
| MinceR | 1956? | Mar 02 08:33 |
| Sosumi | you know the everything's FUBAR | Mar 02 08:34 |
| MinceR | when do i see russia being the good guy? | Mar 02 08:34 |
| Sosumi | defending syria | Mar 02 08:34 |
| Sosumi | being a balance force vs the PNAC policies | Mar 02 08:34 |
| Sosumi | and yes they were also suplying later after the US alongside with china | Mar 02 08:35 |
| Sosumi | weapons to the insurgents in the now former portuguese colonies | Mar 02 08:35 |
| MinceR | good thing annexation isn't 'regime change', eh? :> | Mar 02 08:36 |
| Sosumi | you mean the anexation of ukraine and crimea? | Mar 02 08:37 |
| Sosumi | the ukranians themselves are the ones raising russian flags | Mar 02 08:37 |
| Sosumi | and the military forces are defecting voluntarily | Mar 02 08:37 |
| MinceR | i wonder which ukrainians, exactly | Mar 02 08:38 |
| MinceR | after all, who called the russians into hungary in 1956 was technically hungarian... | Mar 02 08:38 |
| Sosumi | the ones who don't want to submit to IMF rule | Mar 02 08:38 |
| MinceR | is IMF rule comparable to russian rule? | Mar 02 08:38 |
| Sosumi | nor wanting to see their country becoming a little china in the middle of europe | Mar 02 08:38 |
| Sosumi | IMF rule is a rule of austerity | Mar 02 08:39 |
| Sosumi | and stagnation | Mar 02 08:39 |
| Sosumi | see portugal | Mar 02 08:39 |
| Sosumi | everything came to crawl after the rescue | Mar 02 08:39 |
| Sosumi | there's nothing going on | Mar 02 08:39 |
| Sosumi | no development | Mar 02 08:39 |
| Sosumi | 0 new infrastructure | Mar 02 08:39 |
| Sosumi | massive cuts in education | Mar 02 08:39 |
| Sosumi | sorry but for me | Mar 02 08:40 |
| Sosumi | a big bomb at the IMF headquarters any day | Mar 02 08:40 |
| MinceR | so enforcing a policy of austerity is the same thing as taking over a country | Mar 02 08:40 |
| MinceR | interesting idea | Mar 02 08:40 |
| Sosumi | it kind of is | Mar 02 08:40 |
| Sosumi | you're taking a country economicaly | Mar 02 08:41 |
| Sosumi | instead of an army at your doorstep | Mar 02 08:41 |
| Sosumi | you have some folks in a suit | Mar 02 08:41 |
| Sosumi | with a backpack filled with papers | Mar 02 08:41 |
| Sosumi | just too bad that the portuguese are way too pacific | Mar 02 08:42 |
| Sosumi | otherwise the IMF guys would have been kicked out of here long time ago | Mar 02 08:43 |
| Sosumi | actually | Mar 02 08:43 |
| Sosumi | I call the typical portuguese as some sort of ignorant twat that as long as he has beer and football | Mar 02 08:44 |
| Sosumi | everything is ok | Mar 02 08:44 |
| Sosumi | no matter if everything is burning around him | Mar 02 08:44 |
| MinceR | i doubt they're nearly as ignorant as the typical hungarian | Mar 02 08:44 |
| Sosumi | never been to hungary, so can't tell | Mar 02 08:45 |
| MinceR | it's enough to see how hungarians decided to discard democracy in favor of dictatorship | Mar 02 08:45 |
| MinceR | on their own | Mar 02 08:45 |
| Sosumi | just like the americans voted Obozo twice? the british call a monarchy a democracy | Mar 02 08:46 |
| Sosumi | or the portuguese giving two mandates to former PM Jose Socrates | Mar 02 08:47 |
| MinceR | usians can still replace their government as easily as before | Mar 02 08:47 |
| MinceR | the british are ignorant | Mar 02 08:47 |
| Sosumi | and then voting the fascistoid Passos Coelho in | Mar 02 08:47 |
| Sosumi | of the same party as the maoist Barroso | Mar 02 08:47 |
| Sosumi | and when you have the collusions in between the the portuguese intelligence services (lol) and private investment firms | Mar 02 08:49 |
| Sosumi | like the ongoing investment group | Mar 02 08:50 |
| Sosumi | !google ongoing sis sied | Mar 02 08:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Diretor do SIED terá passado informação antes de sair - Expresso.pt | http://expresso.sapo.pt/diretor-do-sied-tera-passado-informacao-antes-de-sair%3Df730233 | Mar 02 08:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Portuguese Intelligence Agency head could return to Macau | http://www.macaudailytimes.com.mo/macau/40507-portuguese-intelligence-agency-head-could-return-to-macau.html | Mar 02 08:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Legislation | Geral - cfsirp | http://www.cfsirp.pt/en/Geral/legislation.html | Mar 02 08:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Wild Bill Hickok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Bill_Hickok | Mar 02 08:50 |
| Sosumi | which also has ties to the portucale group responsible for the BPN bail outs | Mar 02 08:51 |
| Sosumi | aka debt transfer | Mar 02 08:51 |
| Sosumi | from the private sector to the public sector | Mar 02 08:51 |
| Sosumi | but hey no one is asking for their heads | Mar 02 08:51 |
| msb | The US cannot easily vote out a fascist president. The Republicans are openly fascist, and the Democrats are fascists who claim they're liberals but never act like it economically. They allow GLBT and abortion rights, but that's all. | Mar 02 09:09 |
| Sosumi | no | Mar 02 09:09 |
| Sosumi | they distract you with LGBT and abortion rights | Mar 02 09:10 |
| msb | We have a two-party system, and both are fascist economically and in foreign policy and military intervention/invasion. | Mar 02 09:10 |
| MinceR | there are other parties and voters could vote for them if they cared | Mar 02 09:10 |
| Sosumi | "if" | Mar 02 09:11 |
| msb | Exactly -- the LGBT and abortion rights are just a distraction, a liberal disguise. | Mar 02 09:11 |
| MinceR | of course they won't as long as they believe that the democrats are different from the republicans | Mar 02 09:11 |
| Sosumi | that is why democracy doesn't work | Mar 02 09:11 |
| MinceR | because the people don't care | Mar 02 09:11 |
| MinceR | democracy can't work that way | Mar 02 09:11 |
| MinceR | (and no other system can either) | Mar 02 09:11 |
| Sosumi | "if" only they cared... | Mar 02 09:11 |
| msb | The people don't know because the corporate media totally lie to them, and that's where they get their info. | Mar 02 09:11 |
| MinceR | they have access to non-corporate media | Mar 02 09:12 |
| msb | Many care, but they have no idea what's going on. | Mar 02 09:12 |
| Sosumi | and since when was the role of the media to tell the truth? | Mar 02 09:12 |
| Sosumi | they just tell what fits the interests of their parent companies | Mar 02 09:12 |
| Sosumi | and if it is a state owned channel | Mar 02 09:12 |
| msb | Unless they go to the Web, the usians hear only lies. | Mar 02 09:12 |
| MinceR | most usians have access to the web, do they not? | Mar 02 09:13 |
| Sosumi | ofc it'll prattle the views of the interests vested in the public offcie | Mar 02 09:13 |
| MinceR | (for now) | Mar 02 09:13 |
| Sosumi | *office | Mar 02 09:13 |
| MinceR | now that net neutrality is gone, it's only a question of time for them to lose access | Mar 02 09:13 |
| msb | Amazingly, one of the public TV channels carries Russia Today for 30 or 60 minutes on weekdays. | Mar 02 09:14 |
| msb | MinceR: That may be true. It's certainly why net neutrality was killed. | Mar 02 09:15 |
| msb | Most usians don't even know about alternative news sources on the Web. | Mar 02 09:17 |
| msb | Of course the corporate TV, radio, and newspapers never mention it. | Mar 02 09:17 |
| msb | My mother and a friend around here don't use their computers, and both think that the US and Israel protect democracy in other countries. | Mar 02 09:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 09:19 |
| Sosumi | you don't even need a computer to learn about british zionism | Mar 02 09:19 |
| Sosumi | just go to a library and pick up a book | Mar 02 09:19 |
| Sosumi | nor to learn that the ashkanasi jewri are eastern europeans | Mar 02 09:20 |
| msb | Yeah, but it has to be the right book. Actually, I only know about jewish zionism. | Mar 02 09:20 |
| Sosumi | the real semites are the arabs | Mar 02 09:20 |
| Sosumi | you know | Mar 02 09:20 |
| msb | Apparently genetic studies vary on that. | Mar 02 09:20 |
| MinceR | some of the jews are semites too | Mar 02 09:20 |
| Sosumi | those guys that kind of look like gypsies in their skin tone | Mar 02 09:21 |
| Sosumi | not the snow white princesses | Mar 02 09:21 |
| msb | Yes. The sephardics. The ashkenazis treat them as "niggers". | Mar 02 09:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 09:22 |
| msb | They were the victims -- the Ringworm Children -- of huge X-ray irradiation overdoses to the head done by the Israelis, instigated by the US govt to find the effects of radiation. Thousands were killed outright, and the rest suffered seizures, cancers, etc. | Mar 02 09:23 |
| msb | MinceR: As long as you confuse the concepts of "authoritarians" and "fascists", and as long as your mind is back in 1956, you won't be able to comprehend that the "neo"-Nazis that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc. They are actual Nazis. | Mar 02 09:27 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Mar 02 09:28 |
| MinceR | cool story bro | Mar 02 09:28 |
| msb | MinceR: You say "uh huh" when you ignore the truth. | Mar 02 09:28 |
| MinceR | msb is here to bring us The Truth! all hail msb! | Mar 02 09:28 |
| msb | MinceR: What part of what I've said to you think is only a "story". | Mar 02 09:29 |
| MinceR | msb: you realize that the current russian government explicitly hates gays, right? | Mar 02 09:29 |
| msb | MinceR: Bullshit! I can give you plenty of references for this. Roy even reposted them. | Mar 02 09:29 |
| MinceR | msb: you realize that the stalinist government was explicitly going after jews, right? | Mar 02 09:29 |
| msb | The stalinist govt is long gone. This is not 1956! | Mar 02 09:30 |
| MinceR | msb: the guys you're trying to whitewash are just as bad as the other side | Mar 02 09:30 |
| MinceR | if not worse | Mar 02 09:30 |
| msb | I'm not whitewashing them, but they're not nearly as bad as explicit Nazis. | Mar 02 09:30 |
| MinceR | msb: also, i'm interested in your "references" about how the current russian government is not going after gays | Mar 02 09:30 |
| msb | MinceR: Do you hate "commies" so much that you like Nazis? | Mar 02 09:30 |
| MinceR | i hate them both | Mar 02 09:31 |
| MinceR | also, apparently you have reading comprehension issues | Mar 02 09:31 |
| MinceR | you might profit from an English course. | Mar 02 09:31 |
| msb | You're stooping to nonsensical personal attacks -- proof that part of your mind knows you're wrong. | Mar 02 09:32 |
| MinceR | you might want to re-read the buffer/log to see who started nonsensical personal attacks here | Mar 02 09:32 |
| MinceR | hint: it was not me. | Mar 02 09:33 |
| msb | Russia is the only major opposition to the US-Israel-Rothschild fascists. | Mar 02 09:33 |
| MinceR | it's opposition only in the sense "i wish i was doing the same thing in that position" | Mar 02 09:34 |
| MinceR | just like how jobbik is considered to be an opposition to fidesz. | Mar 02 09:34 |
| msb | I said that your mind was back in 1956, when the Russians invaded Hungary, and that colors all your political thinking. | Mar 02 09:35 |
| MinceR | and you were wrong | Mar 02 09:35 |
| MinceR | russia keeps proving that they haven't gone anywhere | Mar 02 09:35 |
| msb | How? | Mar 02 09:35 |
| MinceR | the former leader of the kgb is now ruling the country | Mar 02 09:35 |
| MinceR | russia is just as imperialistic as it was | Mar 02 09:35 |
| msb | So? It's what he does that counts, not what he was. | Mar 02 09:35 |
| MinceR | only they have a different cult behind them now | Mar 02 09:36 |
| msb | What nations is Russia invading or conquering? | Mar 02 09:36 |
| MinceR | some people apparently like to pretend that makes all the difference | Mar 02 09:36 |
| MinceR | ukraine, currently | Mar 02 09:36 |
| MinceR | viktor orban might hand hungary over to them too | Mar 02 09:36 |
| MinceR | with the paks 2 deal | Mar 02 09:36 |
| MinceR | or if a miracle happens and the democratic opposition wins the next election and tells the russians the deal is off, we might be invaded too | Mar 02 09:36 |
| msb | The US and EU are the ones that conquered -- regime-changed -- Ukraine, not Russia. Russia is only trying to reverse that and restore the elected govt. | Mar 02 09:37 |
| MinceR | yes, replacing a communist dictatorship with democracy is conquest | Mar 02 09:37 |
| MinceR | what was i thinking? | Mar 02 09:37 |
| msb | MinceR: Not everything that happens in the world involves Hungary!!! | Mar 02 09:37 |
| MinceR | msb: if you love russia so much, why don't you move there? | Mar 02 09:38 |
| msb | The govt of Ukraine was not a "communist dictatorship". It was elected. | Mar 02 09:38 |
| MinceR | so you like the current hungarian government too, don't you? | Mar 02 09:38 |
| MinceR | hitler was elected too. | Mar 02 09:38 |
| msb | MinceR: That "if you love XXX so much, why don't you move there?" is a very standard political propaganda attack. | Mar 02 09:39 |
| MinceR | btw you still haven't provided any references on how russia isn't attacking gays | Mar 02 09:39 |
| msb | Why would you say I like the current Hungarian govt? | Mar 02 09:39 |
| MinceR | because they were elected, and introduced an authoritarian regime | Mar 02 09:40 |
| msb | And you say they're nazi-type fascists. So of course I would not favor them. | Mar 02 09:41 |
| msb | Putting false words in someone else's mouth is also a standard lying propaganda technique. | Mar 02 09:41 |
| MinceR | because you don't mind being oppressed so long as there's a yellow hammer and sickle on the red flag, not a swastika | Mar 02 09:41 |
| msb | No, I don't like any oppression. | Mar 02 09:42 |
| msb | But socialism is not necessarily oppression. | Mar 02 09:42 |
| MinceR | as far as i can tell, so far all forms of "socialism" were. | Mar 02 09:42 |
| msb | Not in Nicaragua, and not in Vietnam. | Mar 02 09:43 |
| MinceR | (not what republicans call "socialism" -- to them everything is, that is not them) | Mar 02 09:43 |
| msb | And only in Cuba because it's constantly attacked by the US. | Mar 02 09:43 |
| MinceR | that's not a very good excuse. | Mar 02 09:43 |
| MinceR | sounds a lot like 1984 to me | Mar 02 09:43 |
| msb | Cuba was invaded by the US, and sprayed by the US with swine flu that killed all their pigs, and plant-eating insects to destroy their crops. | Mar 02 09:44 |
| MinceR | vietnam is a single-party state, therefore autocratic | Mar 02 09:44 |
| msb | And the US inflicts an economic embargo on Cuba such that no company that deals with Cuba can sell anything in the US. | Mar 02 09:45 |
| MinceR | autocracy is oppression. | Mar 02 09:46 |
| msb | Eisenhower -- not a commie -- in his memoirs said that 80% of Vietnam would have voted to unify under Ho Chi Minh if the US had not prevented the election. | Mar 02 09:46 |
| MinceR | and i'm not sure what's going on in nicaragua | Mar 02 09:46 |
| msb | They voted for the Ortega socialist regime in the most recent election. | Mar 02 09:47 |
| MinceR | and how free was that election? | Mar 02 09:47 |
| msb | No indication that it wasn't. | Mar 02 09:47 |
| msb | You think that all socialists are stalinist, because you are traumatized by 1956. | Mar 02 09:48 |
| msb | People can vote to share stuff -- that's socialism. | Mar 02 09:49 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_general_election,_2011#Election | Mar 02 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nicaraguan general election, 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqewl ] | Mar 02 09:49 | |
| MinceR | yes, and people can vote to take my stuff away | Mar 02 09:49 |
| MinceR | that's socialism too | Mar 02 09:49 |
| msb | So? Hindrance of observation in 20% of polling places could not account for a 2:1 win by the socialists. | Mar 02 09:51 |
| msb | Socialism would only take (some of) your stuff away if you were wealthy. | Mar 02 09:52 |
| MinceR | why did they need to hinder the work of observers in the first place? | Mar 02 09:52 |
| msb | And if lots of people were poor. | Mar 02 09:52 |
| MinceR | and an autocratic government decides who's wealthy and who's poor | Mar 02 09:52 |
| MinceR | i've seen how that works | Mar 02 09:52 |
| msb | And a pure capitalist "two-party" government stages 9/11, invades two nations and murders 2,000,000 people, is murdering more with drones, and robbed 28 trillion dollars of tax money to give to crooked banks. | Mar 02 09:54 |
| MinceR | that was one country out of how many? | Mar 02 09:54 |
| msb | That is the inevitable result of unregulated capitalism, with no limits on wealth. | Mar 02 09:55 |
| MinceR | no it's not | Mar 02 09:55 |
| MinceR | it does not follow. | Mar 02 09:55 |
| msb | Unfortunately it's the most powerful nation in the world, with more weapons than the rest of the world combined. | Mar 02 09:55 |
| MinceR | there are plenty of countries that have insufficient regulation and no limits on wealth | Mar 02 09:55 |
| MinceR | yet they don't do such things | Mar 02 09:55 |
| msb | The whole EU is inflicting austerity -- which means keeping people poor by robbing them thru taxation. | Mar 02 09:56 |
| MinceR | not all of usa's troubles come from lack of socialism. | Mar 02 09:56 |
| MinceR | so, which state of the EU staged 9/11, invaded nations and murdered people? | Mar 02 09:56 |
| msb | A graduated tax on wealth would help a great deal. | Mar 02 09:56 |
| msb | MinceR: That's a nonsense question. | Mar 02 09:57 |
| MinceR | or it wouldn't | Mar 02 09:57 |
| MinceR | how so? | Mar 02 09:57 |
| MinceR | you equated non-socialism with those things | Mar 02 09:57 |
| MinceR | therefore EU members not doing that means they must be socialist | Mar 02 09:58 |
| MinceR | does it not? | Mar 02 09:58 |
| msb | I equated unregulated capitalism with those things in the US. | Mar 02 09:58 |
| MinceR | or could it be perhaps that your premise was flawed? | Mar 02 09:58 |
| msb | Again you are putting nonsense in my mouth. | Mar 02 09:58 |
| MinceR | no, you're putting nonsense in your own mouth | Mar 02 09:58 |
| msb | Can you talk without using lying propaganda techniques? | Mar 02 09:58 |
| MinceR | you're trying to twist reality beyond recognition to support your utopia. | Mar 02 09:59 |
| MinceR | can you? | Mar 02 09:59 |
| msb | My idea of the best system is a graduated tax on wealth, and socialism or social-democracy for large businesses, with capitalism for small ones. | Mar 02 10:00 |
| msb | I don't claim it would be utopia, but it would be much better than what we have. | Mar 02 10:01 |
| MinceR | and everyone who doesn't agree with that must be a nazi. | Mar 02 10:01 |
| MinceR | interesting. | Mar 02 10:01 |
| msb | Wealth would be limited to something like $10million. And corporations would have NO political power, no ability to donate to campaigns or parties. | Mar 02 10:02 |
| MinceR | which country implements this? | Mar 02 10:02 |
| msb | Lying propaganda technique: MinceR: "and everyone who doesn't agree with that must be a nazi" | Mar 02 10:03 |
| MinceR | lying propaganda technique: 152806 < msb> MinceR: As long as you confuse the concepts of "authoritarians" and "fascists", and as long as your mind is back in 1956, you won't be able to comprehend that the "neo"-Nazis | Mar 02 10:03 |
| MinceR | that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc. They are actual Nazis. | Mar 02 10:03 |
| msb | No country that I know of implements it. But I think all should. | Mar 02 10:03 |
| MinceR | more lying propaganda technique: 153106 < msb> MinceR: Do you hate "commies" so much that you like Nazis? | Mar 02 10:04 |
| MinceR | msb: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks. | Mar 02 10:04 |
| msb | Let's get back to this: Wealth would be limited to something like $10million. And corporations would have NO political power, no ability to donate to campaigns or parties. | Mar 02 10:04 |
| msb | My idea of the best system is a graduated tax on wealth, and socialism or social-democracy for large businesses, with capitalism for small ones. | Mar 02 10:05 |
| MinceR | a hard wealth limit is a very bad idea. | Mar 02 10:05 |
| msb | Can you agree that that would be a good system? | Mar 02 10:05 |
| msb | Why? | Mar 02 10:05 |
| msb | Why does anyone need more than 10 million dollars? | Mar 02 10:05 |
| MinceR | what if i inherit real estate worth $10M but have no food in the fridge, so i go to work | Mar 02 10:05 |
| MinceR | but i can't get more money so i starve | Mar 02 10:05 |
| MinceR | or i must sell it? | Mar 02 10:06 |
| MinceR | also, why $10M? | Mar 02 10:06 |
| msb | You can sell $1 million worth. | Mar 02 10:06 |
| MinceR | what if the value of the currency changes? | Mar 02 10:06 |
| MinceR | what if the market doesn't want it? | Mar 02 10:06 |
| msb | Because that's plenty more than anyone or any family needs. | Mar 02 10:06 |
| MinceR | also, who decides what capital such as real estate is worth in the first place? | Mar 02 10:06 |
| MinceR | who decides if my car is worth too much? | Mar 02 10:06 |
| msb | Market value. | Mar 02 10:07 |
| MinceR | who decides if the prime minister's car is worth too much? | Mar 02 10:07 |
| msb | You're nitpicking. | Mar 02 10:07 |
| MinceR | no, i'm not | Mar 02 10:07 |
| MinceR | i'm bringing up very real issues with your inflexible system. | Mar 02 10:07 |
| MinceR | also, it's screaming for people to find and exploit loopholes | Mar 02 10:07 |
| msb | Let's say no hard limit on wealth, but the graduated wealthy tax would be designed to approximately limit around 10 million. | Mar 02 10:08 |
| msb | Yes, loopholes would have to be closed. That's true of any system. | Mar 02 10:09 |
| msb | The democratically elected govt would do that. | Mar 02 10:09 |
| MinceR | wealth tax causes people to move their capital to other countries. | Mar 02 10:10 |
| msb | Your car couldn't be "worth too much". Taxation would be based on total wealth. | Mar 02 10:10 |
| msb | It would still be counted as their wealth. | Mar 02 10:11 |
| MinceR | except it would not be visible to the state. | Mar 02 10:11 |
| MinceR | and of course the richer you are, the easier it is to find and use services that help you exploit loopholes | Mar 02 10:11 |
| msb | Foreign investment and banking would be required to be reported. | Mar 02 10:11 |
| MinceR | so the poor guys get struck | Mar 02 10:12 |
| MinceR | and how do you propose to enforce such a requirement? | Mar 02 10:12 |
| msb | The punishment would be imprisonment. | Mar 02 10:12 |
| MinceR | the government wouldn't find out in the first place | Mar 02 10:13 |
| MinceR | also, some kinds of property cannot be sold in part, the taxpayer would be required to sell the whole thing | Mar 02 10:13 |
| MinceR | which would be very disruptive | Mar 02 10:13 |
| msb | They could be required to sell some shares of it. | Mar 02 10:14 |
| MinceR | how do you sell shares of a house or a car? | Mar 02 10:14 |
| msb | A house or car worth over $10 million? | Mar 02 10:14 |
| msb | You nits could be solved. | Mar 02 10:15 |
| msb | What kind of economic system would you favor? | Mar 02 10:15 |
| MinceR | i'm not entirely decided. | Mar 02 10:15 |
| MinceR | i don't have a single system i have as much confidence in as you have in the above mentioned one. | Mar 02 10:15 |
| msb | Can you come up with one as good or better than mine? | Mar 02 10:16 |
| MinceR | probably | Mar 02 10:16 |
| msb | Then please do. | Mar 02 10:16 |
| msb | I'd also have a single-payer Canadian style health system. | Mar 02 10:17 |
| MinceR | democratic, regulated free-market system, income tax, VAT, limited government spending (for example, no m$ licenses bought), no wealth limit or wealth tax; opt-in health system | Mar 02 10:18 |
| MinceR | i agree with corporations not getting political power | Mar 02 10:19 |
| msb | So how do you prevent the ultra-wealthy from controlling the govt and media? | Mar 02 10:19 |
| MinceR | limits on campaign contributions from individuals as well | Mar 02 10:20 |
| MinceR | an election system that doesn't distort results in favor of big parties | Mar 02 10:20 |
| MinceR | (some sort of preferential voting) | Mar 02 10:20 |
| MinceR | if government media exists, it could be treated as another independent branch of power | Mar 02 10:21 |
| msb | Those are good. I'll add them to mine. But unlimited wealth always enables unlimited power. | Mar 02 10:21 |
| msb | I'm talking about corporate/wealth controlled media, not govt controlled. | Mar 02 10:22 |
| MinceR | perhaps even separate elections for all branches of power, perhaps except the judiciary | Mar 02 10:22 |
| MinceR | for private media, i'd remove government interference (seeing what it did in hungary) | Mar 02 10:22 |
| msb | We already have that. Doesn't do any good. | Mar 02 10:22 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_lost#Democracy_Vouchers | Mar 02 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Republic, Lost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqf3r ] | Mar 02 10:23 | |
| MinceR | this could help too | Mar 02 10:23 |
| msb | Wealthy interference with media is just as bad. | Mar 02 10:23 |
| MinceR | it is, but it could at least have multiple poles | Mar 02 10:23 |
| MinceR | some of the issues could be solved by regulations to keep the market free | Mar 02 10:23 |
| MinceR | so you don't end up with the huge media/isp conglomerates as in the usa. | Mar 02 10:24 |
| MinceR | also, some of these controls could eventually help fix issues in other areas | Mar 02 10:25 |
| MinceR | for example, reforming campaign financing and the election system could remove incentives for corruption in other areas. | Mar 02 10:25 |
| msb | No. There's no way to eliminate wholesale lying in the media except by having it controlled democratically and financed by lots of small contributions. | Mar 02 10:26 |
| msb | Huge wealth always leads to corruption. It's unavoidable. | Mar 02 10:26 |
| MinceR | the government media could have that | Mar 02 10:27 |
| msb | Why do you want people to be able to be hugely wealthy? | Mar 02 10:27 |
| MinceR | because i don't think there's a good limit you could pick | Mar 02 10:27 |
| MinceR | and i don't think that the cited issues could be avoided, except by making the limit so high it won't matter | Mar 02 10:27 |
| msb | What's wrong with 10 million dollars? | Mar 02 10:28 |
| MinceR | it's arbitrary | Mar 02 10:28 |
| MinceR | and its real value will change with inflation | Mar 02 10:28 |
| msb | No, it's chosen to be much more than any family needs. | Mar 02 10:28 |
| MinceR | and as i've stated before, the rich will be in the best position to evade it | Mar 02 10:29 |
| msb | Proper money policy will prevent inflation. | Mar 02 10:29 |
| MinceR | families are irrelevant | Mar 02 10:29 |
| MinceR | and if you want people to have incentives to work smarter and more, you're going to have to look beyond essential needs | Mar 02 10:29 |
| msb | There won't be any rich (beyond $10M). | Mar 02 10:29 |
| MinceR | people want more than just survival, and rightly so | Mar 02 10:29 |
| MinceR | there will be, just your government won't know about it | Mar 02 10:30 |
| MinceR | in any case, i'd try the reforms i've mentioned and see how things work out before looking for more drastic measures, such as wealth limits, wealth taxation or dismantling the state entirely | Mar 02 10:31 |
| msb | You can get a good family helicopter for less than $1M | Mar 02 10:32 |
| msb | If $10M would only allow you and your family to "survive", you need to talk with DaemonFC! 8^) | Mar 02 10:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 10:33 |
| MinceR | or the dollar inflated. :> | Mar 02 10:34 |
| msb | Your reforms would not be enough, because huge wealth always gives huge power. | Mar 02 10:34 |
| msb | Gold/silver standard would prevent inflation. | Mar 02 10:34 |
| MinceR | it would not work | Mar 02 10:35 |
| MinceR | there is already more money in the economy than the gold/silver standard could support | Mar 02 10:35 |
| msb | But it's fake money. | Mar 02 10:35 |
| msb | So it would be necessary to deflate gradually. | Mar 02 10:36 |
| msb | Not that I'd want most people to have helicopters. It would be Death From Above! | Mar 02 10:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 10:39 |
| msb | Hybrid SUVs are good. | Mar 02 10:41 |
| msb | Hey, this is good. I now have a recommended economic system for my website! And a few days ago, I got here the ideal design for my next computer. I love #techrights! | Mar 02 10:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 10:45 |
| MinceR | sure, you could deflate fiat currency and replace it with a gold/silver standard based one | Mar 02 10:46 |
| MinceR | but you couldn't have enough of _that_ to support an economy of the current size. | Mar 02 10:46 |
| MinceR | people would probably come up with fiat currency again to work around that limit. | Mar 02 10:46 |
| msb | There's plenty of gold/silver/platinum still in the ground, and gold in seawater. | Mar 02 10:46 |
| msb | As long as the money is based on stuff with actual value, it's OK. | Mar 02 10:47 |
| msb | Fairly constant actual value. | Mar 02 10:48 |
| MinceR | even the value of precious metals isn't fairly constsnt | Mar 02 10:49 |
| MinceR | s/tsnt/tant/ | Mar 02 10:49 |
| MinceR | and as technology progresses, it will be even less so | Mar 02 10:49 |
| msb | The value of metals is fairly constant. It's their price in dollars that changes. | Mar 02 10:50 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Portugal/Interior.aspx?content_id=3716060&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | Mar 02 10:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tsf.pt | Haver 19 instituições a fazer escutas em Portugal «não faz nenhum sentido» - TSF [ http://ur1.ca/gqf9y ] | Mar 02 10:54 | |
| Sosumi | 19 institutions doing telephone screenings in portugal | Mar 02 10:54 |
| Sosumi | way too many according the ministry of justice | Mar 02 10:55 |
| Sosumi | what about none? | Mar 02 10:55 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 02 10:56 |
| Sosumi | no mention to warrants either | Mar 02 10:57 |
| Sosumi | also crapple to push new effort into iAd | Mar 02 11:02 |
| Sosumi | their advertisement platform | Mar 02 11:03 |
| Sosumi | said to be announced at this year's WWDC | Mar 02 11:03 |
| Sosumi | probably means that'll copy M$ | Mar 02 11:03 |
| Sosumi | in which all safari searches and a local searches through spotlight will be logged at crapple's servers | Mar 02 11:03 |
| Sosumi | just like M$ started doing after vista 8 | Mar 02 11:04 |
| MinceR | just like canonical started doing :> | Mar 02 11:04 |
| Sosumi | and probably associated with the apple ID | Mar 02 11:04 |
| Sosumi | yes but moronical doesn't charge neither for hardware nor software | Mar 02 11:05 |
| Sosumi | so the user can simply shove them to side | Mar 02 11:05 |
| Sosumi | I'm actually starting to think that in the future one might one need to run either windows or to a much lower extent osx | Mar 02 11:06 |
| Sosumi | for some specialized work | Mar 02 11:06 |
| Sosumi | like CAD/CAM work | Mar 02 11:07 |
| Sosumi | and that is if that software doesn't come to gnu/linux down the road | Mar 02 11:07 |
| Sosumi | which it should | Mar 02 11:07 |
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| Sosumi | I just can't believe that software like catia or autocad inventor are windows only | Mar 02 11:07 |
| Sosumi | and that at least, autodesk bothered to implement directx on their suits | Mar 02 11:08 |
| Sosumi | actually | Mar 02 11:17 |
| Sosumi | the trends points out to tablets and assortments | Mar 02 11:17 |
| Sosumi | but not with gnu/linux | Mar 02 11:17 |
| Sosumi | but with android and alikes | Mar 02 11:17 |
| Sosumi | which are enough for the facebook derplings, minor work and with no need to take to the computer repair store | Mar 02 11:18 |
| Sosumi | plus isn't the new trend to have the web close and more personal? | Mar 02 11:19 |
| Sosumi | in the way that a only tablet could? | Mar 02 11:19 |
| Sosumi | kind of like a newspaper | Mar 02 11:20 |
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| Sosumi | and I'm surprised that the new m$ CEO | Mar 02 13:41 |
| Sosumi | what was his name? | Mar 02 13:41 |
| Sosumi | Satya Nutella? lol | Mar 02 13:42 |
| Sosumi | hasn't made any comment in bringing office into the xbox | Mar 02 13:42 |
| Sosumi | and turn the console into a general computer | Mar 02 13:43 |
| Sosumi | of which it already is | Mar 02 13:43 |
| Sosumi | in a crippled apple fashion | Mar 02 13:43 |
| Sosumi | but since they're now interested in hardware and angering their partners | Mar 02 13:43 |
| Sosumi | what about more than competing with everyone on the low end | Mar 02 13:44 |
| Sosumi | which would in turn make manufactuerers offer direct support for gnu/linux | Mar 02 13:45 |
| Sosumi | on consumer grade hardware | Mar 02 13:45 |
| Sosumi | even if just ubuntu | Mar 02 13:45 |
| Sosumi | also | Mar 02 13:57 |
| Sosumi | I'm yet to see a xbone on sale here in pt | Mar 02 13:58 |
| Sosumi | all I see around at the major stores are ps4 | Mar 02 13:58 |
| Sosumi | not even xbox 360 are around anymore | Mar 02 13:59 |
| Sosumi | not even leftovers from previous packs | Mar 02 13:59 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:39] <MinceR> btw you still haven't provided any references on how russia isn't attacking gays | Mar 02 14:04 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:29] <MinceR> msb: you realize that the current russian government explicitly hates gays, right? | Mar 02 14:04 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:29] <msb> MinceR: Bullshit! I can give you plenty of references for this. Roy even reposted them. | Mar 02 14:04 |
| schestowitz__ | I was never shown any such references by anyone | Mar 02 14:04 |
| MinceR | neither was i | Mar 02 14:04 |
| schestowitz__ | And from what I can gather, Russia goes Rambo on gay rights activists | Mar 02 14:04 |
| schestowitz__ | not sure if "anti-gay", but those who openly promote equality for gays are equated with domestic enemies | Mar 02 14:05 |
| MinceR | i've heard plenty of bullshit from the russian government on "gay propaganda" as if that was a thing | Mar 02 14:05 |
| schestowitz__ | there is such a thing | Mar 02 14:05 |
| schestowitz__ | "gay propaganda" | Mar 02 14:05 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't oppose the term in its own right | Mar 02 14:05 |
| schestowitz__ | but their actions against it | Mar 02 14:06 |
| schestowitz__ | There is also "FOSS propaganda", "US propaganda", "communist propaganda" | Mar 02 14:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I won't be beaten in the streets for promoting Nazism, anarchy, etc. | Mar 02 14:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I might get harassed by police if the public complains, Public Disturbance order or whatever it's now called | Mar 02 14:07 |
| msb | I was referring to "the "neo"-Nazis that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc. They are actual Nazis." | Mar 02 14:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia is nasty | Mar 02 14:07 |
| msb | Not to Russian attitude toward gays. | Mar 02 14:07 |
| schestowitz__ | i am reading all the conversation ATM | Mar 02 14:07 |
| schestowitz__ | I find it interesting | Mar 02 14:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia is nasty too | Mar 02 14:07 |
| schestowitz__ | And to say Stalin went after Jews overlooks the fact he used Israel thinking it would help spread communism | Mar 02 14:08 |
| msb | But has not murdered 2,000,000 since 2001. | Mar 02 14:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Like funnelling weapons (I think from Czechoslovakia) to help the revolution | Mar 02 14:08 |
| schestowitz__ | but later he felt betrayed because today's NATO members were embraced as allies | Mar 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia is very nasty | Mar 02 14:09 |
| msb | Help murder Palestinians. | Mar 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz__ | based on my friends who are Russians | Mar 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Many left Russia and don't have much positive to say | Mar 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz__ | msb: | Mar 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz__ | !google ukraine russia killed millions | Mar 02 14:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Ukrainian 'Holodomor' (man-made famine) Facts and History | http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html | Mar 02 14:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Holodomor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor | Mar 02 14:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Soviet famine of 1932–33 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%25E2%2580%259333 | Mar 02 14:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Stalin's Forced Famine - The History Place | http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm | Mar 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia, IIRC, can be held responsible for the deaths of tens of millions, and China too | Mar 02 14:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Not just directly from wars | Mar 02 14:10 |
| schestowitz__ | But bad policies, cleansing, genocides | Mar 02 14:10 |
| msb | Yes, but _now_ Russia is the only counter to US fascism/mass-murder, which is the worst thing going on in the world. | Mar 02 14:11 |
| schestowitz__ | The West is focused on teaching consequences of WW2 (for political reasons), but there's lots to be learned about WW2 in the far east | Mar 02 14:11 |
| MinceR | counter fascism and mass murder with more fascism and mass murder? | Mar 02 14:11 |
| schestowitz__ | and the Korea wars and later Turf wars in the early days of the Cold War | Mar 02 14:11 |
| schestowitz__ | msb: oppose both | Mar 02 14:11 |
| schestowitz__ | help Ukraine | Mar 02 14:11 |
| schestowitz__ | or Hungary | Mar 02 14:11 |
| schestowitz__ | hungary used to be with Austria | Mar 02 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Now it's seemingly with the USSR block, still | Mar 02 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | And EU can grab it into more civilised turf | Mar 02 14:12 |
| msb | The US just sent nazis to conquer Ukraine. | Mar 02 14:12 |
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| MinceR | with the antidemocratic turn and paks 2, they're certainly going back to ussr | Mar 02 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | and offer better jobs, etc. by migration | Mar 02 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | No, the US funded "useful idiots" | Mar 02 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | It wants nuclear buffer | Mar 02 14:13 |
| msb | Armed nazis with machine guns. | Mar 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | The Nazis were always there | Mar 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | and armed | Mar 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | their descendants come from Nazi era | Mar 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | The US just awoken a giant | Mar 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Russia has some nazi sympathisers too | Mar 02 14:13 |
| msb | But US recently promised to support them in a takeover. That's why they did it. | Mar 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | more so than in the UK | Mar 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | US promised it? | Mar 02 14:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Show the reports, I must have missed such a thing | Mar 02 14:14 |
| msb | Roy, did you read those articles from CRG that you reposted? | Mar 02 14:14 |
| schestowitz__ | ORG writes about privacy | Mar 02 14:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Oh, CRG | Mar 02 14:14 |
| msb | yes, you reposted their URLs, I'm not sure where | Mar 02 14:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Yes, depending on who's writing, the "rebels" are mostly denounced | Mar 02 14:15 |
| schestowitz__ | It's said to be tied with some Russian interests because it's against Western globalisation | Mar 02 14:15 |
| schestowitz__ | I posted that here and in techrights | Mar 02 14:15 |
| msb | What is tied with Russian interests? | Mar 02 14:16 |
| msb | "Despite these ominous signs, Ambassador Pyatt hailed the coup as “a day for the history books.” Most of the mainstream U.S. news media also sided with the coup, with commentators praising the overthrow of an elected government as “reform.” But a few dissonant reports have pierced the happy talk by noting that the armed militias are part of the Pravy Sektor, a right-wing nationalist group which is often compared to the Nazis." | Mar 02 14:21 |
| msb | http://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/23/neocons-and-the-ukraine-coup/ | Mar 02 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consortiumnews.com | Neocons and the Ukraine Coup | Consortiumnews [ http://ur1.ca/gpjzk ] | Mar 02 14:21 | |
| msb | Ukraine and the “Politics of Anti-Semitism”: The West Upholds Neo-Nazi Repression of Ukraine’s Jewish Community | Mar 02 14:23 |
| msb | http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-and-the-politics-of-anti-semitism-west-upholds-neo-nazi-repression-of-ukraines-jewish-community/5370790 | Mar 02 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Ukraine and the “Politics of Anti-Semitism”: The West Upholds Neo-Nazi Repression of Ukraine’s Jewish Community | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gpjys ] | Mar 02 14:23 | |
| msb | schestowitz__: What is tied with Russian interests? | Mar 02 14:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Some of the writings in the site, not necessarily those of the above authors | Mar 02 14:24 |
| schestowitz__ | I notice that Assange no longer makes his relations with the Russian government notices | Mar 02 14:25 |
| schestowitz__ | *noticed | Mar 02 14:25 |
| schestowitz__ | which is good | Mar 02 14:25 |
| schestowitz__ | he made himself an easy target | Mar 02 14:25 |
| schestowitz__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union | Mar 02 14:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqgkb ] | Mar 02 14:37 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Mar 02 14:38 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/us-official-claims-6000-russian-troops-complete-control-crimea-crisis-map-update | Mar 02 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | US Official Claims 6,000 Russian Troops In Complete Control Of Crimea - Crisis Map Update | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gqh6t ] | Mar 02 16:36 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz__ | now they know how Russia feels when the US invades nations | Mar 02 18:54 |
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| msb | The New Economic Policy -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/EconPolicyV1.0.html | Mar 03 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Economic Policy (v.1.0) [ http://ur1.ca/gqlfl ] | Mar 03 00:18 | |
| msb | Suggestions welcome! | Mar 03 00:18 |
| msb | This is good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBmAkAO7j8c | Mar 03 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Anonymous Ukraine - Message 2014 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqlfq ] | Mar 03 00:19 | |
| msb | Sound like a voice synthesizer may have been used. | Mar 03 00:20 |
| msb | But a very good one. | Mar 03 00:20 |
| msb | "You shall hear from me again!" -- Fu Manchu | Mar 03 00:20 |
| msb | Transcript here (but video not downloadable as it is on the youtube page): http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/167455/Anonymous_Ukraine__Message_2014/ | Mar 03 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.disclose.tv | Anonymous Ukraine - Message 2014 [Video] [ http://ur1.ca/gqlg8 ] | Mar 03 00:22 | |
| msb | Lots of good stuff about Ukraine, Soros, Rothschilds, etc. here: http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/profiles/blog/list | Mar 03 00:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fightingforliberty.ning.com | Blogs - Fighting for Liberty [ http://ur1.ca/gqlkq ] | Mar 03 00:49 | |
| msb | Down the left-hand side. | Mar 03 00:49 |
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| MinceR | now they know how russia feels when the us annexes nations? :> | Mar 03 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Sorry about that. It's not like I get much control over what the government does. | Mar 03 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | I can nudge it between right-wing and extremely right-wing. | Mar 03 02:00 |
| MinceR | i was commenting on schestowitz__'s comment :> | Mar 03 02:01 |
| MinceR | http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/461770/Expert-likens-possible-Putin-action-on-Ukraine-to-Hitler-s-1938-move-on-Czechoslovakia | Mar 03 02:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.express.co.uk | Expert likens possible Putin action on Ukraine to Hitler's 1938 move on Czechoslovakia | World | News | Daily Express [ http://ur1.ca/gqlz8 ] | Mar 03 02:05 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux for Seniors 101 | Tux Machines | Mar 03 02:31 | |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: 005437 < schestowitz__> now they know how Russia feels when the US invades nations | Mar 03 02:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Alpha Release | Tux Machines | Mar 03 02:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cisco open sources corporate firewall software | Tux Machines | Mar 03 02:31 | |
| msb | Clever propaganda operation of _The Express_ to liken a possible Russian move to counter the nazi putsch in Ukraine to the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia. No mention that the goons who seized power from a duly elected government in Ukraine are themselves nazis! | Mar 03 02:36 |
| msb | But every alternative news site on the Web that I've seen does make it clear that it's a nazi takeover backed by the US and EU. | Mar 03 02:37 |
| gde33 | is the gas still flowing? | Mar 03 02:39 |
| gde33 | the facinating bit in this picture http://www.gazpromexport.ru/en/statistics/ is that germany can produce more than enough bio gas for entire europe | Mar 03 02:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gazpromexport.ru | Gazprom Export [ http://ur1.ca/gqmaq ] | Mar 03 02:49 | |
| gde33 | the bio gas is better than the russian gas | Mar 03 02:49 |
| gde33 | currently it mostly burned to make electricity | Mar 03 02:50 |
| gde33 | in inefficent ways | Mar 03 02:50 |
| gde33 | retooling for life after gazprom wont take long | Mar 03 02:50 |
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| DaemonFC | The fracking companies promised us that if we let them operate, that we'd be enjoying a manufacturing comeback and that the price to heat your home would be at record lows. | Mar 03 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | Instead, they exported all the gas, it created no jobs, and the price to heat our homes continues to rise. | Mar 03 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 03 02:54 |
| gde33 | just no more drinking water | Mar 03 02:54 |
| gde33 | I think the economics tricksters are using old books where industry is suggested to have value for a country | Mar 03 02:54 |
| gde33 | this while there is no evidence of that :P | Mar 03 02:55 |
| gde33 | The israelies have the right business model for their country, just get free money and goods from someone else, no questions asked :D | Mar 03 02:55 |
| gde33 | tell them to go fuck themselves afterwards | Mar 03 02:56 |
| gde33 | someone added up all the aid, military, ecconomic, financial etc, he came at something like 50 k per citizen | Mar 03 02:57 |
| gde33 | not entirely realistic of course | Mar 03 02:57 |
| gde33 | imagine how rich americans would be if they divided their military budget over the citizens | Mar 03 02:57 |
| gde33 | woah! | Mar 03 02:57 |
| gde33 | how much is 50 * 500 bilion divided by 300 million? | Mar 03 03:00 |
| gde33 | something like 83 000, not even that much | Mar 03 03:01 |
| gde33 | kinda disapointing lol | Mar 03 03:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Buffalo Intros Open Source DD-WRT Wireless Routers | Tux Machines | Mar 03 03:14 | |
| DaemonFC | We should sell those A-10 Thunderbolt IIs that the Pentagon wants to scrap to Ukraine. | Mar 03 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | They'd make short work of the Russian occupation force. | Mar 03 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_rvt_np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx2AVIMTCZH3PML#CustomerDiscussionsNew | Mar 03 03:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Indiana House Republicans pass a bill that would kill an effective energy efficiency program, increase electricity rates, require more power plants to be built, and increase greenhouse gas emissions. [ http://ur1.ca/gqmrn ] | Mar 03 03:52 | |
| MinceR | a few things our anti-democracy activist forgot to mention in his propaganda >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanukovich#Impeachment_and_vote_to_remove | Mar 03 04:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Viktor Yanukovych - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqmuw ] | Mar 03 04:10 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Mar 03 04:14 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx2QTWGM6LTYZ4H | Mar 03 05:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: ALDI pays its store associates on day one of their employment what the average Walmart worker will take six years to earn. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndp ] | Mar 03 05:31 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.msnbc.com/the-ed-show/leaked-document-shows-what-walmart-really-pay | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | According to leaked documents, Walmart starts out at about $8 an hour, and most of their employees are only scheduled to work part time so they can't get any health insurance or other benefits. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | A woman in this story says that she can't earn more than $14,000 a year at Walmart and that her kids rely on medicaid, food stamps, subsidized housing, and free school lunches so that they can make ends meet. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msnbc.com | Leaked document shows what Walmart really pays its workers | MSNBC [ http://ur1.ca/gqndt ] | Mar 03 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/27/politics/27walmart.html | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | In 2006, Walmart's former CEO, H. Lee Scott, bragged that Walmart was managing to dump most of their workers onto Medicaid. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart employees top the Medicaid list in every state, except for DC, where there aren't any Walmart stores yet. When they build the proposed stores, Walmart employees will top the Medicaid list in DC as well. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/gqndw ] | Mar 03 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/local/kalamazoo/2014/02/24/ald-jobs-employment/5772895/ | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | This newspaper article says that ALDI, a discount grocer that will reduce your grocery bill 15-20% below what you can expect to spend at Walmart, is starting out its lowest paid employees at $10.50 an hour. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wzzm13.com | Aldi holds hiring event in Portage [ http://ur1.ca/gqndx ] | Mar 03 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | ALDI offers health insurance to employees who work as little as 20 hours a week. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | ALDI also has a dental, vision, and 401(k) plan that Walmart employees don't have. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.producenews.com/index.php/news-dep-menu/test-featured/11972-aldi-plans-to-open-650-new-stores | Mar 03 05:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.producenews.com | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores - The Produce News - Covering fresh produce around the globe since 1897. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndy ] | Mar 03 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores in the United States in 2014, creating good jobs that pay the bills without dumping most of their employees on government welfare, Walmart-style. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cnbc.com/id/101380735 | Mar 03 05:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Time to close Wal-Mart stores? Analysts think so | Mar 03 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Walmart's profits for last quarter were down over 20%, and CNBC is reporting that they should start closing stores, beginning with the 100 least profitable. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/02/could-wal-mart-be-the-next-giant-failure-in-retail.aspx | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | The Motley Fool suspects that Walmart could be going down the KMart path. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Could Wal-Mart Be the Next Giant Failure in Retail? (WMT) [ http://ur1.ca/gq67o ] | Mar 03 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is rapidly becoming relevant to today's tech-savvy shoppers, who know that they can get better deals elsewhere, and lose their grocery business to highly respectable companies like ALDI. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/04/06/why-wal-mart-needs-more-workers.aspx | Mar 03 05:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Why Wal-Mart Needs More Workers (WMT) [ http://ur1.ca/gqne0 ] | Mar 03 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Over the last few years, even as Walmart has been opening new stores, they have reduced their workforce by over 120,000 employees, causing a drag on job creation. | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | oops | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | meant to say "irrelevant" | Mar 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | and 650 over the next 5 years | Mar 03 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | man, I messed that up a bit | Mar 03 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | still.... | Mar 03 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | They're growing rapidly and killing Walmart. | Mar 03 05:38 |
| Sosumi | ow's the state of 4k on gnu linux? | Mar 03 06:11 |
| Sosumi | even through it is still kind of premature to get a 4k display | Mar 03 06:12 |
| Sosumi | as there aren't any compelling 4096x21600 displays | Mar 03 06:13 |
| Sosumi | *2160 | Mar 03 06:13 |
| Sosumi | but as my second display is filled with burns from displaying static images all the time | Mar 03 06:14 |
| Sosumi | as is now showing 2 dead pixels | Mar 03 06:15 |
| Sosumi | I may thinking in replace my dual 1920x1200 24 inches by a single 4k monitor | Mar 03 06:15 |
| Sosumi | *be | Mar 03 06:16 |
| Sosumi | a nice 32 inches model would probably be enough | Mar 03 06:17 |
| Sosumi | also from what I've seen | Mar 03 06:17 |
| Sosumi | the 16:10 ratio is kind of out of the window | Mar 03 06:17 |
| Sosumi | the other way | Mar 03 06:21 |
| Sosumi | well | Mar 03 06:21 |
| Sosumi | would be getting another 24 inches | Mar 03 06:21 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Mar 03 06:21 |
| Sosumi | and playing some games in eyefinity mode | Mar 03 06:21 |
| Sosumi | no, she said if those were crt displays | Mar 03 06:22 |
| Sosumi | and I got 3 | Mar 03 06:22 |
| Sosumi | I'd no longer need to go to the beach to sunbath | Mar 03 06:22 |
| Sosumi | the radiation emanating from the tube would take care of that | Mar 03 06:23 |
| Sosumi | although that was only typical on the old "green" crt | Mar 03 06:23 |
| MinceR | wouldn't work | Mar 03 06:23 |
| MinceR | CRTs were said to emit X-rays, not UV | Mar 03 06:24 |
| Sosumi | ok | Mar 03 06:24 |
| Sosumi | 180º degrees xray | Mar 03 06:24 |
| Sosumi | the ideal display would be a nice curved monitor with no bezels | Mar 03 06:26 |
| Sosumi | with an equivalent of a 3 1920x1200 monitors | Mar 03 06:27 |
| Sosumi | for me and given at the distance I sit from the displays, 30 kind of seems too much | Mar 03 06:28 |
| Sosumi | I did try it once | Mar 03 06:28 |
| Sosumi | but with a 32 inches tv | Mar 03 06:28 |
| Sosumi | just to get the perspective | Mar 03 06:28 |
| Sosumi | and I ended up moving my head way more than just working | Mar 03 06:29 |
| Sosumi | up, down, down up, left, up, now left again | Mar 03 06:29 |
| Sosumi | when the additional 24 falls in my peripherical vision | Mar 03 06:30 |
| Sosumi | too bad that I just can't nab someone else's 24 inches display just test a triple head setup | Mar 03 06:31 |
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| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HN3yZVKP9g | Mar 03 06:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Revolution in Ukraine: Dispatch from the Presidential Palace - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqo0m ] | Mar 03 06:47 | |
| msb | Comments: No mention of the Nazis? // Stay butthurt commie kike. // Thanks for proving my point | Mar 03 07:05 |
| msb | No mention of masked nazis in the streets with machine guns doing the armed takeover from an elected government. | Mar 03 07:07 |
| Sosumi | I wander where they got the arms | Mar 03 07:07 |
| Sosumi | did they assault an army depot | Mar 03 07:07 |
| Sosumi | or did they get shipped from poland | Mar 03 07:07 |
| MinceR | afaik part of the armed forces switched sides | Mar 03 07:07 |
| Sosumi | yes | Mar 03 07:07 |
| Sosumi | but those are not the armed forces | Mar 03 07:08 |
| Sosumi | but what appears heavily armed civs | Mar 03 07:08 |
| MinceR | well, they might have distributed stockpiles | Mar 03 07:08 |
| msb | Yanukovych did not build that palace with stolen money. It was already there. He moved into it when he was elected. Just like Obomber didn't build the Whitehouse. | Mar 03 07:11 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Mar 03 07:11 |
| Sosumi | ofc the anglo-american propaganda machine is going to use everything to legitimize the euromaiden or whatever they are called | Mar 03 07:13 |
| Sosumi | because it fits their agenda | Mar 03 07:13 |
| Sosumi | to support descendants of nazi collaborators | Mar 03 07:14 |
| msb | "Viktor Yanukovych was elected President in 2010 with 48% of votes." -- Wiki MinceR: do you think he built that palace in 3-4 years? | Mar 03 07:14 |
| Sosumi | and the petty fools supporting them | Mar 03 07:14 |
| msb | Yes, the nazis were/are backed by the US and EU. | Mar 03 07:15 |
| Sosumi | I remember the shicklegruber guy | Mar 03 07:15 |
| Sosumi | being twice Time Magazine person of the year | Mar 03 07:15 |
| Sosumi | and being heavily supported by Prescot Bush | Mar 03 07:16 |
| msb | The EU will inflict austerity upon the Ukrainians when they join the EU, sucking them dry to feed the banksters. | Mar 03 07:16 |
| Sosumi | and the Ford Motor Company along others | Mar 03 07:16 |
| Sosumi | yep | Mar 03 07:16 |
| Sosumi | in fact | Mar 03 07:16 |
| Sosumi | the ukraine joining the EU agreement | Mar 03 07:16 |
| Sosumi | was a big no | Mar 03 07:16 |
| MinceR | msb: the protester says he had it built in that period | Mar 03 07:16 |
| Sosumi | from the get go | Mar 03 07:16 |
| Sosumi | what the Eurogarchs had in mind was to transform ukraine into a dumping ground | Mar 03 07:17 |
| Sosumi | basically your little china in the middle of europe | Mar 03 07:17 |
| Sosumi | the EU ascension was never on the paper | Mar 03 07:17 |
| MinceR | i doubt that ukraine would start paying the EU more than what it would get from the EU | Mar 03 07:17 |
| msb | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis American Businessmen Financed Hitler | Mar 03 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Mar 03 07:18 | |
| msb | The Ukraine nazis are also backed by George Soros. | Mar 03 07:19 |
| Sosumi | also hitler was put in power to be a destabilization for russia | Mar 03 07:19 |
| MinceR | also hitler was in part inspired by marxism | Mar 03 07:19 |
| Sosumi | as russia at the time having lost the russo-japanese war and after that suffering the bolchevik revolution | Mar 03 07:19 |
| Sosumi | also sponsored by london | Mar 03 07:20 |
| Sosumi | was on the tilt of braking up | Mar 03 07:20 |
| Sosumi | too bad that hitler turned west, right? | Mar 03 07:20 |
| Sosumi | and took france, the sudated german land and so on | Mar 03 07:21 |
| msb | Yes. Hitler's job was to kill all the communists, socialists, social democrats, and trade unionists, all of whom were empowering workers and reducing profits of wealthy capitalist owners. That's why the capitalists supported Hitler. | Mar 03 07:21 |
| MinceR | that's an interesting concept of 'empowering workers' | Mar 03 07:21 |
| Sosumi | a very deranged face of capitalism... | Mar 03 07:22 |
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| MinceR | i suspect msb wouldn't be trying so hard to prop putin up if he was forced to live under "socialism" for a while | Mar 03 07:22 |
| msb | It's an inevitable result of capitalism, since the wealthy get control of the govt. | Mar 03 07:22 |
| MinceR | and dictators get control of all the wealth | Mar 03 07:23 |
| msb | MinceR: You have not yet come up with a way to prevent capitalism from turning into corporatism/fascism as wealthy psychopaths control the govt and use it to increase their profits. | Mar 03 07:23 |
| MinceR | also, i'm guessing yanukovych's loot must be under msb's suggested wealth limit :> | Mar 03 07:24 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZeFDe44Ddo | Mar 03 07:24 |
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| MinceR | msb: you have not yet come up with a way to prevent communism/socialism from turning into corporatism/fascism as the dictator takes over the entire government, appropriates most or all property in the state effectively as their own, and use it to increase their profits. | Mar 03 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | Someone tried to sell me a Ford Explorer. | Mar 03 07:25 |
| msb | MinceR: Where's your proof that yanukovych has any "loot"? | Mar 03 07:25 |
| MinceR | the video linked above, for example. | Mar 03 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | I asked them what kind of gas mileage it got. He said "About 8 mpg in the city, 12 on the highway.". | Mar 03 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | Who could afford to drive that? | Mar 03 07:25 |
| msb | MinceR: Do you think Obomber owns the Whitehouse? | Mar 03 07:26 |
| MinceR | msb: do i think the usa is socialist? no. | Mar 03 07:26 |
| MinceR | msb: do i think obomber is a dictator? no, he's a figurehead. | Mar 03 07:26 |
| msb | MinceR: You can't answer simple questions, but have to lie to protect your fascist beliefs. | Mar 03 07:27 |
| MinceR | msb: no you | Mar 03 07:27 |
| msb | Elected presidents don't own the presidential residences they live in. | Mar 03 07:27 |
| msb | Ford makes a hybrid SUV that gets about 32mpg. An owner of one told me. | Mar 03 07:28 |
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| MinceR | msb: you're the fascist here, you're the one who props up the fascist dictator puppet of another fascist dictator | Mar 03 07:29 |
| msb | There is no dictator in democratic socialism or social democracy. | Mar 03 07:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, there's no dictator in "people's democratic republics", right? | Mar 03 07:30 |
| MinceR | because they've said all the words | Mar 03 07:30 |
| MinceR | who cares what happens if you can't see beyond the symbols | Mar 03 07:30 |
| msb | MinceR: Nicaragua and Vietnam elected their socialist governments. | Mar 03 07:30 |
| MinceR | we were discussing ukraine and russia, not nicaragua or vietnam | Mar 03 07:31 |
| msb | The Scandinavian countries elect their social democrat govts. | Mar 03 07:31 |
| MinceR | and vietnam "elected" their governments from a single choice | Mar 03 07:31 |
| MinceR | like communist hungary did | Mar 03 07:31 |
| MinceR | (the only candidate was the "patriotic people's fromt" candidate) | Mar 03 07:31 |
| MinceR | s/mt/nt/ | Mar 03 07:31 |
| msb | MinceR: Yes, you must not admit that democratic socialism exists anywhere in the world. That is the fascist view. Hitler's view. | Mar 03 07:32 |
| MinceR | msb: yes, you must not admit that vietnam and north korea are dictatorships. that is the fascist view. hitler's and stalin's view. | Mar 03 07:32 |
| msb | Eisenhower said 80% of Vietnamese -- North plus South -- would have voted to unite under Ho Chi Minh if the US had not prevented the election. | Mar 03 07:32 |
| MinceR | "The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world's four remaining single-party socialist states officially espousing communism. Its current state constitution, which replaced the 1975 constitution in April 1992, asserts the central role of the Communist Party of Vietnam in all organs of government, politics and society." | Mar 03 07:33 |
| MinceR | this is what msb calls "democracy". | Mar 03 07:34 |
| Sosumi | https://i.4cdn.org/gif/src/1393763813654.gif | Mar 03 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | msb: They weren't worried about gas mileage in the 90s. | Mar 03 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | When my car was made, gas was about $1.10 a gallon on a bad day. :P | Mar 03 07:34 |
| msb | North Korea is a horrible dictatorship. Vietnam is not. | Mar 03 07:35 |
| MinceR | it might be less horrible than north korea, but it's still a dictatorship | Mar 03 07:35 |
| MinceR | so long as the constitution locks a single party into all leadership roles, it will remain a dictatorship. | Mar 03 07:36 |
| msb | The US is a dictatorship -- ruled by the wealthy. | Mar 03 07:36 |
| MinceR | russia is a dictatorship, ruled by putin and his cronies. | Mar 03 07:36 |
| MinceR | (who are wealthy, of course) | Mar 03 07:36 |
| msb | Who were elected. | Mar 03 07:37 |
| MinceR | just like hitler. | Mar 03 07:38 |
| MinceR | and all the communist/socialist dictators who care to hold sham elections | Mar 03 07:38 |
| MinceR | like in communist hungary, like in north korea and in vietnam. | Mar 03 07:38 |
| msb | US elections are sham. | Mar 03 07:38 |
| MinceR | and in red china. | Mar 03 07:38 |
| MinceR | no they're not, it's just that most of the voters are idiots. | Mar 03 07:38 |
| msb | MinceR: you project Hungary onto the entire world. | Mar 03 07:38 |
| MinceR | in the us, there _are_ multiple candidates on the ballot | Mar 03 07:39 |
| MinceR | in north korea, communist hungary, vietnam, etc. there are only state party candidates on the ballot. | Mar 03 07:39 |
| MinceR | msb: no, the entire eastern bloc was managed the same way | Mar 03 07:39 |
| msb | No, MinceR, the voters are lied to by the corporate media, so they don't know that the minority candidates would be much better for them than the Demoblicans. | Mar 03 07:39 |
| MinceR | msb: in fact, hungary was managed with a relatively light hand most of the time, afaik. ("happiest barrack") | Mar 03 07:40 |
| MinceR | msb: the voters have access to non-corporate media, if they cared, they could find out what's up. | Mar 03 07:40 |
| MinceR | msb: in the regimes you like to prop up, there's usually no access to non-government media or a free internet. | Mar 03 07:40 |
| msb | MinceR: No, they don't know to look on the Web for news. | Mar 03 07:40 |
| MinceR | msb: also, dissenters tend to be deported or executed. | Mar 03 07:41 |
| msb | In social-democrat Scandinavia? | Mar 03 07:41 |
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| MinceR | in the usa, dissent tends to be protected as free speech | Mar 03 07:41 |
| MinceR | scandinavia is not socialist. | Mar 03 07:41 |
| msb | It's social-democrat. High taxation, long vacations, govt healthcare, ratio of max/min salaries = 8 or so. | Mar 03 07:42 |
| MinceR | and yet you prop up some of the darkest dictatorships | Mar 03 07:44 |
| msb | Sham democracy in the US with the voters lied to by the corporate media is no better than one-party state, and may be worse depending on policies. There are Usians starving in the streets, and people are forbidden to feed them in parks. | Mar 03 07:44 |
| MinceR | actually, it is better than the one-party state | Mar 03 07:44 |
| MinceR | it takes a lot less to fix it | Mar 03 07:44 |
| msb | But it never gets fixed. | Mar 03 07:44 |
| MinceR | that we can't know, as not all of time has passed yet | Mar 03 07:44 |
| msb | I support Russia only because it is countering the US which has murdered millions since 2001. | Mar 03 07:46 |
| msb | Russia has not. | Mar 03 07:46 |
| MinceR | so you support russia vs us just like the people you look down on support republicans vs democrats or the other way around | Mar 03 07:46 |
| msb | The old "just like" lying propaganda technique. | Mar 03 07:47 |
| MinceR | i wonder how many people russia has murdered in georgia | Mar 03 07:47 |
| msb | You can put any words you want in a person's mouth using that technique. | Mar 03 07:47 |
| MinceR | yet you have no qualms about putting words in other people's mouth | Mar 03 07:47 |
| MinceR | apparently you consider yourself special, above the rules | Mar 03 07:48 |
| MinceR | you dream yourself in the position of a dictator one day, so you can't bring yourself to view them critically. | Mar 03 07:48 |
| MinceR | and everyone who has a different opinion from you must be a "fascist" and a "nazi" | Mar 03 07:48 |
| msb | MinceR: Hopefully the other people here know you are totally lying when you say things like that. | Mar 03 07:49 |
| MinceR | msb: hopefully the other people here know you're lying all the time. | Mar 03 07:49 |
| msb | No, people who support nazis, like the ones who took over Ukraine are fascists. | Mar 03 07:49 |
| MinceR | and people who support dictators are saints, apparently. | Mar 03 07:50 |
| msb | People who purposely confuse "authoritarian" and "fascist" concepts, do it to prevent communication. | Mar 03 07:50 |
| MinceR | which of those two is holy? | Mar 03 07:51 |
| msb | Neither is. But democratic socialism and social democracy are not authoritarian. | Mar 03 07:51 |
| MinceR | depends on how you define those | Mar 03 07:52 |
| MinceR | you seem to be flipping between "democratic socialism" as in Scandinavia and as in the eastern bloc | Mar 03 07:52 |
| MinceR | as if those had anything in common at all. | Mar 03 07:52 |
| MinceR | maybe from a republican's viewpoint they're the same -- "hurrrr soshulizm" | Mar 03 07:53 |
| MinceR | but from mine they're very far apart | Mar 03 07:53 |
| msb | MinceR: you are lying again, or at least mistaken. Scandinavia has social democracy -- high-order welfare state and strongly regulated capitalism -- not socialism. | Mar 03 07:54 |
| MinceR | msb: you're trying to confuse those things, not me | Mar 03 07:54 |
| msb | "<MinceR> you seem to be flipping between "democratic socialism" as in Scandinavia and as in the eastern bloc" | Mar 03 07:55 |
| msb | 3 minutes ago | Mar 03 07:55 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 03 07:55 |
| MinceR | you've proclaimed that vietnam is democratic and socialist | Mar 03 07:55 |
| msb | MinceR: you are lying again, or at least mistaken. Scandinavia has social democracy -- high-order welfare state and strongly regulated capitalism -- not socialism. | Mar 03 07:55 |
| MinceR | you know what, you can keep your ad hominems to yourself. | Mar 03 07:56 |
| MinceR | i'm tired of your bullshit. | Mar 03 07:56 |
| msb | Then stop lying and using lying propaganda techniques. | Mar 03 07:56 |
| MinceR | no u | Mar 03 07:56 |
| MinceR | http://img2.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/украина-россия-ссср-хороший-конец-1101892.gif | Mar 03 07:56 |
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| msb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war#Humanitarian_impact_and_war_crimes Apparently a few thousand were killed. | Mar 03 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russo-Georgian war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqojq ] | Mar 03 08:05 | |
| msb | "<MinceR> i wonder how many people russia has murdered in georgia" | Mar 03 08:06 |
| MinceR | stop highlighting me. | Mar 03 08:07 |
| msb | But Georgia started that war by attacking South Ossetia. | Mar 03 08:07 |
| msb | MinceR: I'm just quoting you. All your lines mentioning "msb" come out in red for me. I think the IRC clients are doing it. | Mar 03 08:08 |
| msb | My client is KDE4 konversation. What is yours? | Mar 03 08:09 |
| msb | MinceR: My IRC client is KDE4 konversation. What is yours? | Mar 03 08:11 |
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| DaemonFC | msb: I still think we should sell Ukraine some A-10s and let them chase the Russians out with those. :) | Mar 03 10:13 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't be enough | Mar 03 10:14 |
| MinceR | also, he doesn't want ukraine to chase the russians out | Mar 03 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: According to Wikipedia, Ukraine doesn't spend very much on its military. | Mar 03 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | Russia has been next door, spending billions on modernizing their own. | Mar 03 10:16 |
| MinceR | a bunch of attack planes wouldn't change that | Mar 03 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | Perhaps it was a bad idea to limit the military to 1.1% of GDP when you're next door to a hostile foreign country that is known to invade its neighbors and take whatever they want. | Mar 03 10:17 |
| MinceR | perhaps they were forced to do so | Mar 03 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | Yanukovich probably didn't care about crippling the military. | Mar 03 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | He's been in cahoots with Putin from the beginning. | Mar 03 10:18 |
| msb | DaemonFC: Do you also, like MinceR, prefer the nazis that took control of Ukraine, instead of the elected govt that was allied with Russia? | Mar 03 11:04 |
| msb | The US always backs the worst dictators it can find for a country, because they keep workers from getting rights, which would reduce the profits of wealthy employers -- capitalists. | Mar 03 11:06 |
| MinceR | as opposed to the propaganda to putin's, stalin's and mao's biggest fan here, the current government of ukraine isn't dominated by far right wingers. | Mar 03 11:07 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_ministers_of_ukraine#Cabinet | Mar 03 11:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cabinet of Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqpq3 ] | Mar 03 11:07 | |
| msb | MinceR is lying again. I am no fan of Stalin or Mao. | Mar 03 11:08 |
| MinceR | s/a to/a of/ | Mar 03 11:08 |
| MinceR | msb is continually lying. | Mar 03 11:08 |
| MinceR | msb falls for all the propaganda tricks of communist/socialist dictatorships | Mar 03 11:08 |
| MinceR | to msb, an election where there's only one option, is a free election. | Mar 03 11:09 |
| *MinceR thinks msb should move to his beloved Cuba and thus fall off the internet. | Mar 03 11:09 | |
| MinceR | (he doesn't believe in freedom of speech or democracy, after all) | Mar 03 11:10 |
| msb | MinceR is lying again. I have never said, here or anywhere else, that I favor Stalin or Mao. | Mar 03 11:10 |
| MinceR | just their policies and tricks. | Mar 03 11:10 |
| MinceR | north korea is another good option for msb | Mar 03 11:10 |
| MinceR | though he'd probably have to get used to the flavor of tree bark | Mar 03 11:11 |
| MinceR | as his beloved "economic" "system" can not produce anything closer to food to the civilians there. | Mar 03 11:11 |
| msb | MinceR cannot say anything about me but lies. | Mar 03 11:11 |
| MinceR | msb cannot say anything about anything but lies. | Mar 03 11:11 |
| msb | As to Cuba, people there are much better off than they were under the murdering torturing Batista, despite the US embargo, and the restrictions of the government. | Mar 03 11:13 |
| msb | Those restrictions were put in place because of the many attacks against Cuba by the US. | Mar 03 11:13 |
| MinceR | more communist lies and propaganda from msb | Mar 03 11:13 |
| MinceR | and still he can't make the case that people could be as well off in a communist dictatorship as in any relatively democratic country with a relatively free market. | Mar 03 11:14 |
| msb | The US did the Bay of Pigs attack, and rained down swine flu and thrips insect pests upon Cuba, and financed fascist opposition. | Mar 03 11:15 |
| MinceR | msb's beloved russia did the holodomor | Mar 03 11:16 |
| MinceR | msb's beloved red china did the "great leap forward" | Mar 03 11:16 |
| msb | Batista was not democratic at all. Cuba was called "The Whorehouse of the Caribbean" under him. Women were slaves. | Mar 03 11:16 |
| MinceR | and the "cultural revolution" | Mar 03 11:16 |
| msb | Again MinceR is lying. I just said that I never have favored Stalin or Mao. | Mar 03 11:17 |
| MinceR | only their policies and their successors | Mar 03 11:18 |
| MinceR | like kgb boss putin | Mar 03 11:18 |
| MinceR | and their acts and their political systems | Mar 03 11:18 |
| msb | Putin is far less restrictive than Stalin. | Mar 03 11:18 |
| MinceR | which is saying a lot, because... | Mar 03 11:18 |
| MinceR | (he still locked up pussy riot, though) | Mar 03 11:19 |
| msb | Yes, that was very bad, and made him look ridiculous to the world. Scared of Pussy! Fortunately they have now been released. | Mar 03 11:20 |
| MinceR | which indicates only that he realized that it made him look bad. | Mar 03 11:20 |
| msb | But they are alive and unharmed. | Mar 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | so they should count their blessings? | Mar 03 11:21 |
| msb | Perhaps. | Mar 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | because it would have been right for msb's favorite Saint Putin to torture them to death? | Mar 03 11:21 |
| msb | At least they got their message out to the world, ironically thanks to Putin. | Mar 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | but it's all right because they quote marxist bullshit instead of hitler's bullshit | Mar 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | what a difference. | Mar 03 11:22 |
| msb | MinceR: is lying again: "<MinceR> because it would have been right for msb's favorite Saint Putin to torture them to death?" | Mar 03 11:22 |
| MinceR | communism is to economy what scientology is to psychology. | Mar 03 11:23 |
| msb | Marxism is not bullshit. Working people should get most of the profit of the businesses they work in, instead of most of it going to the wealthy owners. | Mar 03 11:24 |
| MinceR | marxism led dozens of economies into bankruptcy and millions of people into suffering. | Mar 03 11:24 |
| msb | That's done in some businesses in the US, which are called co-ops. | Mar 03 11:24 |
| MinceR | it destroyed most of the states that adopted it as official ideology. | Mar 03 11:24 |
| MinceR | msb: how exactly is a question a lie? | Mar 03 11:26 |
| msb | The Bolshevik revolution was immediately attacked by armies from US, France, Germany, etc, which invaded and murdered millions. Later it was attacked by the Nazis, which were financed by the US, England, and some wealthy Germans. | Mar 03 11:27 |
| MinceR | the bolshevik revolution also invaded many countries | Mar 03 11:27 |
| msb | Those attacks caused the USSR govt to become authoritarian. | Mar 03 11:27 |
| MinceR | the one i happen to be living in suffered under it for decades. | Mar 03 11:27 |
| MinceR | no, they did not. | Mar 03 11:27 |
| MinceR | the leaders of the ussr caused it to become authoritarian. | Mar 03 11:28 |
| MinceR | of course, the phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat" probably didn't help. | Mar 03 11:28 |
| msb | The same as children who are attacked by psychopath parents and teachers adopt a psychopath personality, that fears and hates everyone. | Mar 03 11:28 |
| msb | Yes, that was a bad idea, along with "vanguard party". | Mar 03 11:28 |
| msb | A question is a lie when it contains lies. MinceR's question contained the lie "msb's favorite Saint Putin". | Mar 03 11:30 |
| MinceR | ooh, he isn't your favorite, then? | Mar 03 11:30 |
| MinceR | who is, then? | Mar 03 11:30 |
| MinceR | kim jong un? | Mar 03 11:30 |
| MinceR | fidel castro? | Mar 03 11:30 |
| MinceR | adolf hitler? | Mar 03 11:30 |
| msb | That's a common lying propaganda technique. It's even done in phone surveys to influence voters. | Mar 03 11:31 |
| msb | MinceR is so confused | Mar 03 11:31 |
| MinceR | is 'never answering the point of a question' also a common lying propaganda technique? | Mar 03 11:31 |
| MinceR | or is it specific to you? | Mar 03 11:31 |
| msb | he can't even remember what I said previously, even minutes ago. | Mar 03 11:31 |
| msb | MinceR just lied again with that question. | Mar 03 11:32 |
| MinceR | msb just lied again with those sentences. | Mar 03 11:32 |
| MinceR | see, two can play this game | Mar 03 11:33 |
| msb | It's not a game. I'm telling the truth. I try to answer MinceR's questions unless they are pure evil lies, like "are kim jong un and adolf hitler your favorite?" | Mar 03 11:34 |
| MinceR | no you're not. | Mar 03 11:34 |
| MinceR | you're saying communist phantasies. | Mar 03 11:34 |
| msb | Namely? | Mar 03 11:34 |
| MinceR | see above. | Mar 03 11:35 |
| msb | That workers should have power over businesses? | Mar 03 11:35 |
| MinceR | that a state where there's only one option in elections can be a democracy | Mar 03 11:35 |
| MinceR | especially if the constitution declares which one party should run everything | Mar 03 11:35 |
| msb | Workers having power over businesses is the main principle of marxism. | Mar 03 11:36 |
| MinceR | ironically, in your favorite states, workers don't have any power over anything | Mar 03 11:36 |
| MinceR | they're the slaves of the government, and the government gets to do with them as it wishes. | Mar 03 11:36 |
| MinceR | if they offend the government, they get killed (or deported and then killed) | Mar 03 11:36 |
| MinceR | they usually aren't even allowed to leave. | Mar 03 11:36 |
| msb | Not in Nicaragua, Vietnam, or Cuba. | Mar 03 11:37 |
| MinceR | and of course the businesses are usually owned by the state | Mar 03 11:37 |
| MinceR | controlled by the government. | Mar 03 11:37 |
| MinceR | not sure about nicaragua, but certainly in vietnam and cuba. | Mar 03 11:37 |
| msb | People vote for which candidates they want, even if they are all in one party. | Mar 03 11:37 |
| MinceR | so they don't get to decide anything | Mar 03 11:37 |
| MinceR | is that so in nicaragua? | Mar 03 11:38 |
| msb | Yes, in Cuba they vote for industry and district leaders. | Mar 03 11:38 |
| MinceR | i asked about nicaragua. | Mar 03 11:38 |
| msb | Yes, there were non-socialists running, and the socialists won by a large margins. | Mar 03 11:38 |
| msb | in Nicaragua | Mar 03 11:38 |
| MinceR | it's ironic how you think that voting for candidates in one party is somehow less democratic than voting for a number of different candidates in different parties, two of which dominate and are controlled by the same businesses, and the rest of which are generally independent. | Mar 03 11:39 |
| msb | The US also has only one party, because Republicans and Democrats are all fascists who don't give workers any control over businesses. | Mar 03 11:39 |
| MinceR | but this sort of warped "thinking" is probably a prerequisite for accepting those dark, brutal, oppressive regimes that you champion. | Mar 03 11:39 |
| MinceR | the US has several other parties. | Mar 03 11:39 |
| MinceR | and they're not excluded from elections by a government claiming that they're "fascists" | Mar 03 11:40 |
| MinceR | unlike in the states you're advertising | Mar 03 11:40 |
| msb | But the controlled news media lies to the voters, so they never vote for anyone but Rs and Ds. | Mar 03 11:40 |
| MinceR | which is worse than a government-controlled "news" media that feeds exclusively government propaganda to the citizens, while all alternatives are brutally shut down, how exactly? | Mar 03 11:41 |
| msb | It doesn't matter if there are other parties in the elections if the voters are mind-controlled by the corporate media so they don't ever vote for them. | Mar 03 11:41 |
| MinceR | the voters are not mind controlled | Mar 03 11:41 |
| MinceR | your idols wish they could mind-control their slaves | Mar 03 11:41 |
| MinceR | but even they can't do it, except maybe in north korea | Mar 03 11:41 |
| msb | Yes they are. The US media never mentions social democrat or socialist candidates. Even Ron Paul, who is very capitalist but anti-war, was not allowed in the debates, and his election votes were not presented to the public. I voted for him. Had to register Repug to vote for him in the primary. | Mar 03 11:43 |
| msb | MinceR lies again " your idols wish they could mind-control their slaves" | Mar 03 11:44 |
| MinceR | they don't wish because they prefer torturing and murdering dissenters | Mar 03 11:45 |
| MinceR | it's more fun that way | Mar 03 11:45 |
| MinceR | right? | Mar 03 11:45 |
| msb | The US media does feed "exclusively government propaganda to the citizens". Corporate-controlled media does the same as govt-controlled media, but allows the govt to claim that there's freedom when there actually isn't. Mind control, as engineered by Edward Bernays, is much more effective for than soldiers in the streets for controlling people, because with mind control the people don't know that they are slaves. | Mar 03 11:47 |
| schestowitz_log_ | http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1328595119727_864692.png | Mar 03 11:48 |
| MinceR | in that case, mind control is effective on msb | Mar 03 11:49 |
| MinceR | the united states does not forcefully shut down competing media. | Mar 03 11:50 |
| MinceR | msb would probably like it here in hungary | Mar 03 11:50 |
| MinceR | he can overlook the fundie ideology in russia, so it should work just the same here. | Mar 03 11:50 |
| msb | MinceR is lying again: "msb would probably like it here in hungary". | Mar 03 11:51 |
| msb | fundie? | Mar 03 11:51 |
| MinceR | msb just lied again with those sentences. | Mar 03 11:51 |
| MinceR | fundamentalist | Mar 03 11:51 |
| MinceR | religious fundamentalist, to be precise | Mar 03 11:51 |
| msb | Almost all JCI religion is harmful, including Russian Orthodox. | Mar 03 11:52 |
| MinceR | afaik putin jailed pussy riot because they dared offend his (newly) precious offshoot of the kiddie-fuckers. | Mar 03 11:52 |
| msb | Could be. | Mar 03 11:52 |
| msb | the united states does not forcefully shut down competing media -- true. It just funds them with money from citizens via advertising, etc, and does not fund alternative media, which therefore cannot compete. | Mar 03 11:54 |
| msb | And thus citizens don't see the alternative media, and so can't get the truth. | Mar 03 11:54 |
| MinceR | the barriers to entry have lowered considerably, enabling alternative media to compete. | Mar 03 11:55 |
| MinceR | and msb does see alternative media. | Mar 03 11:55 |
| msb | Unless they use the Internet, and the govt just shut down net neutrality, so now alternative media on the Net can be killed. | Mar 03 11:55 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Russia | Mar 03 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Freedom of the press in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqq4t ] | Mar 03 11:56 | |
| msb | Yes, I see it (and it is all opposed to the Ukrainian nazi takeover), but most Usians don't know about it. Of course the corporate media never tells them. | Mar 03 11:56 |
| msb | Years ago there was one program about computers and websites called "The Screensavers". Comcast killed it. | Mar 03 11:57 |
| msb | It was a cable program. It even mentioned Linux every week. Comcast bought it, gradually fired all the people, and changed it to video games only. | Mar 03 11:58 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Russia | Mar 03 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russian Internet blacklist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqq64 ] | Mar 03 12:01 | |
| MinceR | The full content of the blacklist is available to ISPs, but not to the general public. | Mar 03 12:01 |
| MinceR | i suppose this also matches msb's idea of government transparency. | Mar 03 12:02 |
| msb | Interestingly, US media have never run a 911 truth program. But Russia Today did! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vka7Da6e9LY&feature=share | Mar 03 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Truthseeker: 9/11 & Operation Gladio (E23) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gplmx ] | Mar 03 12:02 | |
| msb | MinceR lies again! " i suppose this also matches msb's idea of government transparency" | Mar 03 12:03 |
| MinceR | of course it did, as it was after the "truth" in a competing power | Mar 03 12:03 |
| MinceR | would RT ever run a program exposing russian government lies? | Mar 03 12:03 |
| MinceR | msb: ah, so you do want government transparency? | Mar 03 12:04 |
| msb | of course | Mar 03 12:04 |
| MinceR | even though it is not an attribute of your favored states? | Mar 03 12:04 |
| MinceR | i wonder what government transparency would look like in the ussr | Mar 03 12:04 |
| msb | They are not my "favored states", but they are states in which socialism works. | Mar 03 12:04 |
| MinceR | "xy told a joke about stalin we did not like so we put him on the train to siberia." | Mar 03 12:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, and we can see how "well" it works. | Mar 03 12:05 |
| msb | It works fine in Nicaragua, and amazingly well in Cuba considering the US embargo. | Mar 03 12:05 |
| MinceR | it must be amazing to keep all those heathen non-party-members off the internet. | Mar 03 12:06 |
| msb | Cuba has better medical care for poor people than the US does. | Mar 03 12:06 |
| MinceR | yet here you are complaining about what comcast does. | Mar 03 12:06 |
| MinceR | if you were in cuba, complaining about the state isp would end up with you in jail, in the good case | Mar 03 12:06 |
| MinceR | in the bad case, they would simply murder you. | Mar 03 12:06 |
| MinceR | the governments you champion can't tolerate dissent. | Mar 03 12:07 |
| msb | That may happen in the US also. | Mar 03 12:07 |
| MinceR | do you have an example? | Mar 03 12:07 |
| msb | JFK, RFK, MLK, Hunter S Thompson, all murdered by the govt. | Mar 03 12:07 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Mar 03 12:07 |
| msb | Also John Lennon. | Mar 03 12:08 |
| MinceR | also, it's good that communist leaders weren't murdered by their comrades... oh wait. | Mar 03 12:08 |
| MinceR | also citation needed re John Lennon. | Mar 03 12:08 |
| MinceR | also, recent examples needed. | Mar 03 12:09 |
| MinceR | msb: what position do you imagine in, when fantasizing about living in cuba? | Mar 03 12:10 |
| MinceR | msb: what position do you imagine yourself in, when fantasizing about living in cuba? | Mar 03 12:10 |
| MinceR | (left out a word...) | Mar 03 12:10 |
| msb | I don't fantasize about it. But if the SHTF here, I may wish I'd moved there. | Mar 03 12:11 |
| MinceR | if you did, would you join the party? | Mar 03 12:11 |
| msb | Probably not. | Mar 03 12:18 |
| msb | re John Lennon: Mark Chapman was run by the US govt, but may not have been the actual shooter, since the bullet wounds were not inflicted from his location. It was another man, with a history with the govt, who actually did it. Chapman was a patsy, like Oswald. But I haven't found the info yet -- read it years ago. | Mar 03 12:31 |
| msb | The real killer was an employee at the hotel. Here's some of it: http://www.freag.net/en/t/26ymo/was_john_lennon | Mar 03 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freag.net | Was John Lennon murdered by a CIA hitman? - .alt.obituaries [ http://ur1.ca/gqqfd ] | Mar 03 12:33 | |
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| MinceR | msb: what's your profession | Mar 03 14:27 |
| MinceR | ? | Mar 03 14:27 |
| msb | electronics, computer, software engineer consciousness researcher introduce music, cannabis, sharing etc from the 1960s, which I lived in, to the present | Mar 03 14:29 |
| Sosumi | msb = marksman sniper bullseyer | Mar 03 14:29 |
| Sosumi | in other words | Mar 03 14:29 |
| Sosumi | msb killed JFK | Mar 03 14:29 |
| Sosumi | :P | Mar 03 14:29 |
| msb | I've never shot a gun, nor even held one. | Mar 03 14:30 |
| MinceR | msb: bad news -- you're a "class enemy" of communists, just like me :> | Mar 03 14:31 |
| MinceR | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_060b9025f7fa592bcec0.jpg | Mar 03 14:31 |
| Sosumi | lol well | Mar 03 14:32 |
| Sosumi | shoving aside the joke | Mar 03 14:32 |
| Sosumi | Peter Openheimer of crapple | Mar 03 14:32 |
| Sosumi | joined goldman "sucks" board | Mar 03 14:32 |
| MinceR | is really Closedheimer? | Mar 03 14:32 |
| Sosumi | or was it goldman sax | Mar 03 14:33 |
| Sosumi | or goldman sux | Mar 03 14:33 |
| Sosumi | never mind | Mar 03 14:33 |
| Sosumi | expect the service to be much worst now | Mar 03 14:33 |
| MinceR | goldman sucks | Mar 03 14:33 |
| Sosumi | goldman sux is one of the banks doing money laudering for the abc agencies in the US | Mar 03 14:34 |
| Sosumi | and also one of the banks larsoning the portuguese government with the derivative trade | Mar 03 14:35 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Mar 03 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Ping I am trying to get some Ubuntu stuff for an event htat's coming up quite soon, did you get the onlne form I filled in, to do with that? on suggeston of mmhal | Mar 03 15:28 |
| jono | sebsebseb, I approved it | Mar 03 15:42 |
| jono | Michelle will be in touch | Mar 03 15:42 |
| jono | she is sending stuff | Mar 03 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | jono: awesome :) | Mar 03 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | jono: thanks :) | Mar 03 15:47 |
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| jono | sebsebseb, np | Mar 03 15:54 |
| sebsebseb | jono: oh yeah the costs are probably quite a lot more than that £60 I put, I wasn't really sure of costs etc ath te time | Mar 03 15:54 |
| sebsebseb | jono: ,but as long as got enough for say 60 to possibly even 80 people that's great :) | Mar 03 15:55 |
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| MinceR | https://31.media.tumblr.com/d2f510deab12891149c9bf34a374339c/tumblr_n1vdtuuAP31sg3akro1_250.gif | Mar 03 16:32 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713719 | Mar 03 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Video Shows Man S... | Mar 03 16:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | "#texas" | Mar 03 16:41 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713415 | Mar 03 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Voice-recording s... | Mar 03 16:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | "microphones should have a physical switch" | Mar 03 16:42 |
| msb | MinceR: Good -- if Putin sticks his tongue out it means he has a sense of humor. | Mar 03 16:42 |
| MinceR | that's not how humor works | Mar 03 16:42 |
| schestowitz__ | he lies when his lips move | Mar 03 16:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 03 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | Obama reads when his lips move | Mar 03 16:43 |
| MinceR | they might lie in other cases, too | Mar 03 16:43 |
| MinceR | like when their fingers move | Mar 03 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | The TelePrompter presidency | Mar 03 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713280 | Mar 03 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | This is hilarious... | Mar 03 16:44 | |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe they want to verify their database and know the NSA has a more recent backup than they do." | Mar 03 16:44 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Mar 03 16:44 |
| schestowitz__ | Haha, good one | Mar 03 16:44 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivT-I-yxtdY | Mar 03 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Pussy Riot attacked with whips by police at Sochi - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqsh6 ] | Mar 03 16:47 | |
| msb | MinceR: For you, Putin must not have a single good characteristic. | Mar 03 16:47 |
| MinceR | msb: if i were you, i would say: msb is lying yet again! | Mar 03 16:48 |
| msb | MinceR: Tell me a good characteristic that Putin has. | Mar 03 16:48 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713177 | Mar 03 16:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | #Microsoft booste... | Mar 03 16:48 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Perception management is job one." | Mar 03 16:48 |
| MinceR | msb: i'm not aware of any | Mar 03 16:48 |
| MinceR | msb: which doesn't mean there's none | Mar 03 16:49 |
| msb | MinceR: Like I said... | Mar 03 16:49 |
| MinceR | msb: just that what he exposes to the general public is negative. | Mar 03 16:49 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3711809 | Mar 03 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Venezuelan Open S... | Mar 03 16:49 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Venezuela is becoming like Syria: one party is bad, the other is worse." | Mar 03 16:49 |
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| msb | The psychopaths that attacked Pussy Riot at Sochi were Cossacks, not police. | Mar 03 16:56 |
| msb | So not sent by Putin. | Mar 03 16:57 |
| MinceR | and the ones who locked them up? | Mar 03 16:57 |
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| msb | What are you talking about? | Mar 03 16:58 |
| MinceR | interesting, earlier today you knew what i was talking about | Mar 03 16:58 |
| MinceR | what happened? you received another dose of programming? | Mar 03 16:58 |
| msb | Stop lying, MinceR! I asked what you mean by "<MinceR> and the ones who locked them up?" | Mar 03 16:59 |
| MinceR | stop lying, msb! | Mar 03 16:59 |
| MinceR | also, do your masters feed you well for this? | Mar 03 17:00 |
| msb | schestowitz__: From reading the article it seems like the violence is coming exclusively from anti-government fascist forces, not from the left at all. So the Left party is not bad. | Mar 03 17:05 |
| schestowitz__ | VZ? | Mar 03 17:06 |
| msb | Yes | Mar 03 17:06 |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI plans to open 650 new stores in the United States in 2014, creating good jobs that pay the bills without dumping most of their employees on government welfare, Walmart-style. | Mar 03 17:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Good | Mar 03 17:15 |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> http://www.producenews.com/index.php/news-dep-menu/test-featured/11972-aldi-plans-to-open-650-new-stores | Mar 03 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.producenews.com | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores - The Produce News - Covering fresh produce around the globe since 1897. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndy ] | Mar 03 17:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI offers health insurance to employees who work as little as 20 hours a week. | Mar 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz__ | [10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI also has a dental, vision, and 401(k) plan that Walmart employees don't have. | Mar 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Same here | Mar 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Good conditions for workers | Mar 03 17:17 |
| msb | http://www.globalresearch.ca/staged-opposition-violence-in-venezuela-towards-a-colored-revolution/5368759 | Mar 03 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Staged Opposition Violence in Venezuela. Towards a “Colored Revolution”? | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqss9 ] | Mar 03 17:24 | |
| msb | http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855 | Mar 03 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Venezuela: Regime Change, Destabilization and the Hidden Hands of U.S. Capitalism | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqssp ] | Mar 03 17:25 | |
| msb | The U.S. thinks it has found a formula for regime change, beginning with destabilization from within. Venezuela’s democratically elected government has long been a target. “Over the last decade or so we have seen this strategy attempted in Zimbabwe, Libya, Iran, and Syria. | Mar 03 17:25 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 03 17:47 |
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| msb | Paul Craig Roberts, whose articles are hosted on CRG (leftist) and Alex Jones infowars.com: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/20/ukraine-drifting-toward-civil-war-great-power-confrontation/ | Mar 03 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Is Ukraine Drifting Toward Civil War And Great Power Confrontation? - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/gqtzc ] | Mar 03 19:48 | |
| msb | Alex Jones is capitalist. | Mar 03 19:48 |
| msb | ...but features 9/11 truth. | Mar 03 19:49 |
| msb | http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/exposed-the-nazi-roots-of-the-european-union/ | Mar 03 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jonrappoport.wordpress.com | Exposed: the Nazi roots of the European Union « Jon Rappoport's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/gqvo6 ] | Mar 03 23:24 | |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz__: no, Aldi can fuck right off | Mar 03 23:50 |
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| DaemonFC | Uggh.... | Mar 04 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | msb: Do not eat Wolf brand chili. | Mar 04 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty sure I could run my car on what happens a few hours later. | Mar 04 00:48 |
| msb | Ay Caramba! | Mar 04 00:49 |
| msb | But isn't that just the beans? | Mar 04 00:50 |
| msb | Maybe it's made from actual wolves? | Mar 04 00:50 |
| msb | The John Carpenter remake of The Thing From Outer Space taught us never to leave the house without our flamethrower, right? | Mar 04 00:53 |
| msb | But if you do, and you've eaten Wolf brand chili, you can just turn your back on the enemy, hold a lit match up to your ass, and fart! | Mar 04 00:54 |
| msb | A twenty-foot long cloud of flaming methane! Good for a whole family of monsters or criminals. | Mar 04 00:58 |
| msb | Garlic used to do that for me -- a tragedy! But not anymore! | Mar 04 01:00 |
| msb | Get some Nature's Way Pomegranate Standardized capsules, about $15 for 60. Open one up, drain the powder into a cup of water -- distilled, of course -- and add a 1gr. saccharin tablet. Wait a minute and stir. Delicious, and full of ellagic acid, which is anti-cancer. | Mar 04 01:04 |
| msb | It's a beautifully symmetrical molecule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellagic_acid | Mar 04 01:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ellagic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqwe2 ] | Mar 04 01:06 | |
| msb | The caps are sealed, but you just bite off one end -- the very end -- and roll the cap between thumb and finger to make the powder come out the hole. | Mar 04 01:09 |
| msb | Stores don't carry saccharin tablets anymore -- the only non-harmful artificial sweetener. But Amazon has it. | Mar 04 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | Well, that's better. | Mar 04 01:11 |
| msb | Has nothing to do with garlic farts. I'm just drinking some now. Nice purple color. | Mar 04 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | msb: I don't know what it's made from, but when you have to flush the toilet nine times to get rid of it.... | Mar 04 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'll throw the rest away. | Mar 04 01:12 |
| msb | OMG! Does it try to crawl out??? | Mar 04 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea what must have been in that. | Mar 04 01:13 |
| msb | The worst monsters have whippy tentacles! JC invented that in the remake of The Thing. | Mar 04 01:13 |
| msb | Well, once it's out, do the thing with the lit match and the flame should put it down! | Mar 04 01:15 |
| msb | Oh the Humanity! | Mar 04 01:17 |
| msb | http://hf.dilbert.com/2013-12-22/ | Mar 04 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hf.dilbert.com | The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! | Mar 04 01:18 | |
| msb | My favorite Dilbert! | Mar 04 01:19 |
| msb | The first "Thing" was great too! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044121/combined | Mar 04 01:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Thing from Another World (1951) [ http://ur1.ca/gqwju ] | Mar 04 01:28 | |
| msb | Margaret Sheridan was beautiful! | Mar 04 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | Someone pointed out that the Russian government had almost no debt. | Mar 04 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | I noted that they can't afford to because nobody is giving them an extremely good interest rate. | Mar 04 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | The interest rate on government bonds in Russia has spiked to near record levels. | Mar 04 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | The record was set back in 1998, right before they defaulted on their debt. | Mar 04 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | The interest rates have been unusually high since then because they're still seen as a default risk. | Mar 04 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | If they did it once, they could do it again, so people demand higher returns. | Mar 04 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | The US has a high debt, but very low interest rates. | Mar 04 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | If you invest in US government debt, you're probably not going to beat inflation, so the government is actually making money with debt right now. | Mar 04 01:32 |
| msb | Music by Dimitri Tiomkin, one of the greats. You can still get it on the Net, but I can't say how. | Mar 04 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | The US dollar's status as a reserve currency is on its way back up thanks to other governments kindly trashing their own economies. | Mar 04 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 04 01:35 |
| msb | Russia has lots of gold in the ground. | Mar 04 01:39 |
| msb | Since MinceR isn't here, I can say that without him telling me to go live there. | Mar 04 01:40 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying | Mar 04 01:53 |
| msb | Crap, he's here! | Mar 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3711789 | Mar 04 02:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | "The menu bar and... | Mar 04 02:13 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Ken has fantastic insight." | Mar 04 02:13 |
| MinceR | http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/hungary-an-election-in-question-part-1/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 | Mar 04 02:24 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | The Indiana state lottery is plugging part of the hole in the teacher pension program. | Mar 04 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's a cruel irony. People with poor math skills funding teacher pensions.... LOL | Mar 04 02:28 |
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| MinceR | :> | Mar 04 02:29 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | Satan worshipers already have special rights because Satan worship is a religion. | Mar 04 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | NAMBLA is a religion. They call it the Catholic Church. | Mar 04 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | "Eye....Warship...Satin?" | Mar 04 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | -John Ritter in Stay Tuned. | Mar 04 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 04 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Conservatives believe strongly in personal accountability." | Mar 04 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | LOL! | Mar 04 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | 65% of senior citizens are conservative, and most of them are on Social Security and Medicare, like their atheist hero Ayn Rand was. | Mar 04 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | If they're not going to tell me "thank you", then can't they please just shut up while they're spending my money? | Mar 04 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | "It is the individuals responsibility to pull themselves up, not the government." | Mar 04 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | All life is sacred, until it gets hungry, or sick, or wants an education. | Mar 04 03:05 |
| MinceR | http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/opinion/brooks-putin-cant-stop.html?rref=opinion | Mar 04 03:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/gqxca ] | Mar 04 03:05 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is good. Every sperm is needed, in your neighborhood! | Mar 04 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is great! If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate! | Mar 04 03:07 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-03/bank-rossii-raises-key-rate-150-basis-points-on-stability-risks.html | Mar 04 03:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com | Russia Raises Main Rate as Ukraine Crisis Threatens Economy - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/gqxfd ] | Mar 04 03:15 | |
| DaemonFC | It looks like Russia's economy is getting ready to be thrown into reverse. | Mar 04 03:15 |
| schestowitz__ | meh | Mar 04 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Nayve we'll give him a peace for our time | Mar 04 03:16 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2014/03/02/the-incredible-shrinking-work-force/5914315/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin= | Mar 04 05:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indystar.com | Indiana's incredible shrinking workforce: What is the cause? [ http://ur1.ca/gqyi8 ] | Mar 04 05:12 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1DB2BRPNK6C9 | Mar 04 05:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The Pentagon cuts are almost all being taken out on soldiers and veterans, thanks largely to Republicans. [ http://ur1.ca/gqyq7 ] | Mar 04 05:45 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 04 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/27/1280110/-Troops-face-devastating-one-two-punch | Mar 04 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | The Pentagon cuts are almost all being taken out on soldiers and veterans, thanks largely to Republicans who voted down cost of living raises and a veterans benefits bill, yet demand protection for their expensive boondoggles and demand to purchase equipment that the military itself says it has no use for. | Mar 04 05:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | Troops face devastating one-two punch [ http://ur1.ca/gqyq8 ] | Mar 04 05:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Many US soldiers are now so broke, that they need food stamps, which have also been drastically cut. | Mar 04 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | The irony of this is that big corporations are getting exactly what they asked for and then complaining that their businesses are in decline. | Mar 04 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | Some Walmart stores rely on food stamps for 35% of their revenue, and blame the cuts for a large part of their 21% profit decline last quarter. | Mar 04 05:45 |
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| MinceR | http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/how-the-internet-reacted-to-russia-invading-ukraine | Mar 04 06:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeed.com | How The Internet Reacted To Russia Invading Ukraine [ http://ur1.ca/gqz51 ] | Mar 04 06:40 | |
| msb | Not one mention in that buzzfeed article about the Nazis that seized power in Ukraine by gun violence, and the US that supported them. | Mar 04 07:26 |
| MinceR | putin is at least as much a nazi as those | Mar 04 07:29 |
| MinceR | he's nationalist, he's christian fundamentalist and he's a dictator | Mar 04 07:29 |
| MinceR | and msb here is propping him up | Mar 04 07:29 |
| msb | And for an article about "how the Internet reacted", not one mention of all the alternative news sites that did talk about the US-supported Nazis, from CRG on the left to Alex Jones on the right. | Mar 04 07:29 |
| MinceR | once again showing that the difference between commies and nazis is negligible | Mar 04 07:29 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying | Mar 04 07:29 |
| MinceR | putin is also a commie, having come from the top of the kgb, making him a communazi like viktor orban | Mar 04 07:30 |
| msb | I'm not going to respond to MinceR anymore. He lies, uses personal attacks and propaganda techniques, puts words in my mouth, changes the meanings of concepts, and is incapable of critical thinking. It's useless to communicate with him. I spent all of last night doing it, and it was a waste of time. | Mar 04 07:33 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying | Mar 04 07:33 |
| MinceR | msb is a lying communazi propaganda hole who gets off to russian imperialist military conquest fantasies | Mar 04 07:34 |
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| Sosumi | mike larabel: my apple rmbp seems to already be starting to fail | Mar 04 12:09 |
| Sosumi | just now on twitter | Mar 04 12:09 |
| Sosumi | well, thank that the deficient cooling system crapple put on the thing | Mar 04 12:10 |
| Sosumi | *to | Mar 04 12:10 |
| Sosumi | I actually think that one of the reasons crapple is implemented such deficient cooling solutions is not just for the "beauty" of the machine | Mar 04 12:11 |
| Sosumi | but because the higher heat stresses will also shorten the lifespan of the computer | Mar 04 12:11 |
| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/440896428877942787 | Mar 04 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michaellarabel: my Apple rMBP seems to already be starting to fail.... Thinking of going back to @lenovo or @ASUSUSA for my next main #Linux ultrabook. | Mar 04 12:14 | |
| Sosumi | also, ultrabooks are fail | Mar 04 12:15 |
| Sosumi | huge premium for portability at the expense of computation | Mar 04 12:15 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz__: Top UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for child porn | Mar 04 12:26 |
| XFaCE | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/top-uk-official-involved-in-national-porn-filter-arrested-for-child-porn/ | Mar 04 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Top UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for child porn | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/gr20j ] | Mar 04 12:26 | |
| XFaCE | Sosumi: should I say "of course"? :P | Mar 04 12:26 |
| Sosumi | just stating the facts | Mar 04 12:40 |
| MinceR | i can see the attraction in passive cooling, but not if it cooks the machine | Mar 04 12:49 |
| MinceR | i can also see the attraction in portability, as i'm tired of lugging my tablet pc around :> | Mar 04 12:50 |
| Sosumi | bro | Mar 04 13:07 |
| Sosumi | do you even lift? | Mar 04 13:07 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 04 13:07 |
| MinceR | yup | Mar 04 13:15 |
| MinceR | too much of it :> | Mar 04 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Orban says you're safe from Vlad. | Mar 04 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | Does this make you feel better? | Mar 04 13:45 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: no. orban said many things, many of which were lies. | Mar 04 13:45 |
| MinceR | i hope he has enough of a brain to stop the paks2 deal now, though | Mar 04 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | I heard that he's expected to "coast" to re-election. | Mar 04 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | along with the entire party | Mar 04 13:45 |
| MinceR | yeah, hungarian voters are extremely stupid and orban fucked up the voting system | Mar 04 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like Indiana | Mar 04 13:46 |
| MinceR | much worse than indiana. | Mar 04 13:46 |
| MinceR | here's the first article in a series that explains how hard the hungarian election system is fucked up: | Mar 04 13:46 |
| MinceR | http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/hungary-an-election-in-question-part-1/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 | Mar 04 13:46 |
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| DaemonFC | oh... Paul Krugman | Mar 04 13:47 |
| MinceR | in addition to that, almost all of the media is owned by orban and his cronies | Mar 04 13:47 |
| MinceR | and the law does not protect freedom of speech, but represses it. | Mar 04 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana Republicans have a supermajority. | Mar 04 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | They can do anything they want. | Mar 04 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | So, instead of creating jobs, they're changing the topic from their corrupt policies and ineptitude to a gay marriage ban. | Mar 04 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | Which is impressive, since it's already banned. | Mar 04 13:48 |
| MinceR | also, proceeding with paks2 may require leaving the NATO, which would be another invitation for msb's favorite communazi to march in. | Mar 04 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | "We have to ban it again in case those pesky courts get involved!" | Mar 04 13:49 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 04 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | This ignores the fact that a federal court can strike down part of a state constitution. | Mar 04 13:49 |
| MinceR | only part of it? | Mar 04 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | The ban is in no danger in state courts, because the judges were appointed by the Republicans. | Mar 04 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | Any part that violated federal law or the federal constitution. | Mar 04 13:50 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 04 13:50 |
| MinceR | so making a gay marriage ban the whole of the constitution is no way out :> | Mar 04 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | Alabama's constitution is the longest and worst-written constitution in the world. | Mar 04 13:51 |
| MinceR | unlikely | Mar 04 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | It's full of racism and homophobia. | Mar 04 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | I believe it even still says that women don't have a right to vote. | Mar 04 13:51 |
| MinceR | hungary's would be a pretty good contender. | Mar 04 13:51 |
| Sosumi | so they fear men in hungary | Mar 04 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | The federal courts have struck down lots of it. | Mar 04 13:51 |
| Sosumi | homophobia = fear of men | Mar 04 13:51 |
| MinceR | it starts off with christian fundamentalist nationalist bullshit and the rest is so badly thought out they've already amended it four or five times in the last 4 years. | Mar 04 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | It also says that you have to be a Christian to hold a state office and that you have to swear an oath to God before you take office. | Mar 04 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | The federal courts struck that down too. | Mar 04 13:52 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe alabama's is indeed worse | Mar 04 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana's starts out with a very Christian fundamentalist preamble. | Mar 04 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | But it proceeds to strong separation of church and state. | Mar 04 13:53 |
| gde33 | it isn't even in India | Mar 04 13:53 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 04 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana's constitution states that people have a right to freedom from religion. | Mar 04 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | Or having their money support it in any way. | Mar 04 13:54 |
| MinceR | that's nice. is it enforced? | Mar 04 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | Well, yes and no. | Mar 04 13:55 |
| gde33 | what about keeping church and law seperate? | Mar 04 13:55 |
| gde33 | Dont you have laws like that? | Mar 04 13:55 |
| MinceR | separation of church and state implies that | Mar 04 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | Churches aren't taxed, so they are getting a subsidy. | Mar 04 13:56 |
| gde33 | ah yes, "state" was what I was looking for | Mar 04 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | Federal courts have generally found that states must have a valid state interest in passing a law. | Mar 04 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | They've rationalized the gay marriage ban in every way you can think of. | Mar 04 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | But, the federal courts are striking them down left and right. | Mar 04 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | The US Supreme Court is expected to strike them all down within a year or two. | Mar 04 13:57 |
| gde33 | "valid state interests" *shrug* | Mar 04 13:58 |
| gde33 | so it is not the peoples government but it's own | Mar 04 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Under the new election framework, the allied opposition parties cannot win a parliamentary majority, even if they gain more votes than the governing party. " | Mar 04 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: We have that. | Mar 04 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Democratic House candidates had 51% of the vote in 2012, but only got 46% of the House seats. | Mar 04 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans run most of the states and drew House districts around the voters. | Mar 04 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats would have to get 56% of the vote to be guaranteed a majority in the House. | Mar 04 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | Although it would be achievable under the right circumstances with 53-54% | Mar 04 14:00 |
| gde33 | unfair but not a real problem as they really only represent 5% or so | Mar 04 14:00 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the playing field is much more tilted in hungary. | Mar 04 14:00 |
| gde33 | Not entirely on topic I admit, I keep comming back to the same thoughts, I'm always very motivated to do something for the greater good, until I talk with other people. | Mar 04 14:00 |
| MinceR | especially if you consider that they've handed out citizenships to people who don't even live here but support the nazis. | Mar 04 14:01 |
| MinceR | and that they've unilaterally gerrymandered the whole country in one fell swoop | Mar 04 14:01 |
| gde33 | My latest simplification is to make a website, then register people who actually care what their government does. | Mar 04 14:01 |
| MinceR | and locked it into law that requires a 2/3 majority to change. | Mar 04 14:01 |
| gde33 | It seems most easy in the US where people are far more interested in the rule of law | Mar 04 14:03 |
| gde33 | With just a few million people globally we could accomplish great things. | Mar 04 14:06 |
| gde33 | a place where people holding opposing opinions can join forces, have something we can all agree about. | Mar 04 14:08 |
| MinceR | it's a pity that we're opposed by people with massive amounts of resources | Mar 04 14:09 |
| gde33 | we should compensate with ambition | Mar 04 14:09 |
| MinceR | they do not lack for ambition. | Mar 04 14:10 |
| gde33 | an organisation twice as big has something like 4 times as much influence | Mar 04 14:10 |
| gde33 | all we need to do is unite | Mar 04 14:10 |
| gde33 | Politicans cant oppose public opinion if it is well documented | Mar 04 14:11 |
| gde33 | they can only follow | Mar 04 14:11 |
| MinceR | public opinion is determined by the masses who don't care and don't understand. | Mar 04 14:12 |
| gde33 | that is why I want to filter out the people who do care and make a public opinion from that | Mar 04 14:12 |
| gde33 | arguably those who couldn't care less are not worth asking for their opinion | Mar 04 14:13 |
| gde33 | it just bothers them | Mar 04 14:13 |
| gde33 | I could build quite the distributed intelect :D | Mar 04 14:14 |
| gde33 | MinceR: imho one should never create an opinion for other people | Mar 04 14:16 |
| gde33 | it is good to anticipate what people will do or say but try never mention it. | Mar 04 14:17 |
| gde33 | MinceR: For example: I already knew you didn't want to help me with the website. But I still have to aks you, my imagination isn't you. | Mar 04 14:18 |
| gde33 | Why would people be motivated if they cant accomplish something? | Mar 04 14:22 |
| gde33 | When the mechanism of choice accomplishes something the lack of motivation looses it's base. | Mar 04 14:23 |
| MinceR | you didn't ask me :> | Mar 04 14:26 |
| MinceR | oh, this was that commit to hear an idea thing? i didn't recognize it. | Mar 04 14:29 |
| gde33 | MinceR: it was just an example, maybe not such a good one but if I have to navigate by anticipation I might as well kill myself today. | Mar 04 14:34 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 04 14:38 |
| MinceR | don't give up | Mar 04 14:38 |
| gde33 | precicely! | Mar 04 14:39 |
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| msb | MinceR lied about me again: "<MinceR> also, proceeding with paks2 may require leaving the NATO, which would be another invitation for msb's favorite communazi to march in." | Mar 04 14:44 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 14:45 |
| gde33 | not very politically correct :P | Mar 04 14:46 |
| MinceR | he never was | Mar 04 14:46 |
| gde33 | lets talk about the 150 year war against free energy inventors. | Mar 04 14:47 |
| gde33 | the academic argument seems to be that if you dont investigate something it doesn't exist. | Mar 04 14:48 |
| gde33 | just ignore it and it stops existing | Mar 04 14:49 |
| msb | Putin is not my favorite anything. He is of value only as a counter to US fascism and mass murder. Also "communazi" is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. The Nazis were financed by US capitalists to destroy the communists, socialists, social democrats and trade unionists, and they did, wherever they could find them. The Nazis invaded Russia and murdered 16-20 million people. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Mar 04 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Mar 04 14:49 | |
| MinceR | yeah, totalitarian dictatorship is the opposite of totalitarian dictatorship | Mar 04 14:50 |
| gde33 | financed by US capitalists also to kill US citizens | Mar 04 14:50 |
| MinceR | and in msb's mind, there's no other option. | Mar 04 14:50 |
| msb | gde33: Who, the Nazis? | Mar 04 14:51 |
| gde33 | unless we have something to agree about and work on together nothing said here will do anything :P | Mar 04 14:51 |
| gde33 | msb: yes | Mar 04 14:51 |
| msb | But the Nazis never invaded the US. | Mar 04 14:51 |
| msb | How would they kill US citizens? | Mar 04 14:52 |
| gde33 | in the great recession the US capitalists stripped down the citizens | Mar 04 14:52 |
| gde33 | then send them naked to Europe to die | Mar 04 14:52 |
| msb | in WW2 | Mar 04 14:52 |
| msb | Well, sort of, then. | Mar 04 14:52 |
| gde33 | just like people could chose to either go to Iraq or be unemployed | Mar 04 14:52 |
| gde33 | a lot of weapons used cause veins in the brain to explode, it can take some months before the so called post traumatic stress kicks in | Mar 04 14:53 |
| gde33 | then they kill themselves | Mar 04 14:54 |
| gde33 | the US government can just create money and employ people to do anything, killing brown people has to be the least productive choice. | Mar 04 14:55 |
| gde33 | if it is the only choice you dont have one | Mar 04 14:56 |
| gde33 | http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/30-percent-iraq-afghanistan-veterans-have-mulled-suicide-survey-v19795613 | Mar 04 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | 30 percent of Iraq, Afghanistan veterans have mulled suicide: survey - NBC News [ http://ur1.ca/gr3bx ] | Mar 04 14:56 | |
| gde33 | cut unemployment by 30% ! | Mar 04 14:57 |
| msb | gde33: As to free energy, while I'd love it to be real, and while Stanley Meyer was obviously murdered, these days its very easy to distribute the info about any valid free energy technique so widely that murder can't silence it. Yet nobody has done so. | Mar 04 14:57 |
| msb | its --> it's | Mar 04 14:58 |
| gde33 | the information is alll over the internet | Mar 04 14:58 |
| msb | But none of it works, or people would be building and selling them. | Mar 04 14:58 |
| gde33 | like I said, by not investigating any of it people claim to know what it is | Mar 04 14:59 |
| msb | Wouldn't you pay hundreds of dollars for a | Mar 04 14:59 |
| gde33 | I'm going to have to call it BS sorry. | Mar 04 14:59 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 14:59 |
| gde33 | take this for example: BlackLight has produced millions of watts of power in a volume that is one ten thousandths of a liter corresponding to a power density of over an astonishing 10 billion watts per liter. | Mar 04 14:59 |
| msb | Bearden MEG if it worked? But it doesn't. | Mar 04 14:59 |
| gde33 | beardens MEG was not good enough to use. | Mar 04 14:59 |
| gde33 | there are many others but, lets stick with Blacklight for a moment. | Mar 04 15:00 |
| msb | The patent says it generates tens of watts. So it could be put in a box with a lightbulb socket on top, and the bulb would light indefinitely. But it doesn't work at all. | Mar 04 15:00 |
| gde33 | they have formal lab results, university students working on their stuff. | Mar 04 15:01 |
| gde33 | blacklight power cant be debunked with a bearden straw man ;) | Mar 04 15:01 |
| msb | OK, BlackLight is the one technology that I think is probably real. But in about 20 years they have not produced anything for sale. | Mar 04 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-10/forint-plunges-as-goldman-sachs-warns-on-hungary-rate-outlook | Mar 04 15:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessweek.com | Forint Plunges as Goldman Sachs Warns on Hungary Rate Outlook - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/gr3dh ] | Mar 04 15:01 | |
| gde33 | cant sell something if public opinion argues it not to exist | Mar 04 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: One of the retarded things that Republicans in Indiana did was spend money creating a commission to study how Indiana would fare if it had to become its own country because of the collapse of our federal government. | Mar 04 15:03 |
| msb | Not so. If it works, some people would buy it, and eventually everybody would buy it when they saw that it works. | Mar 04 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | The state would be in serious trouble. | Mar 04 15:03 |
| gde33 | DaemonFC: that doesn't sound like a bad idea? | Mar 04 15:03 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, it could help if it convinced them to not secede if secession turns out to be a bad idea | Mar 04 15:03 |
| gde33 | msb: that never happened | Mar 04 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | The state of Indiana gets way more out of the federal government than it puts into it. | Mar 04 15:04 |
| gde33 | msb: we've had inventors like this 150 years ago | Mar 04 15:04 |
| gde33 | msb: a new one every year, it never happened | Mar 04 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Secession is illegal. | Mar 04 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | There is no constitutional method for a US state to secede. | Mar 04 15:04 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the constitution could be changed. | Mar 04 15:04 |
| MinceR | unconstitutional methods could be employed. | Mar 04 15:05 |
| gde33 | DaemonFC: wouldn't such an investigation show that? | Mar 04 15:05 |
| msb | I phoned them up once, and they said they'd never tested hydrinos for toxicity. Since Randell Mills is and M.D., I find it very hard to believe that he hasn't fed some hydrinos to rats. So maybe they are toxic. | Mar 04 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | That's highly unlikely. | Mar 04 15:05 |
| msb | and --> an | Mar 04 15:05 |
| gde33 | DaemonFC: show what it gets out of the federal deal? | Mar 04 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Well, first the state would need a military for the second option. | Mar 04 15:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: but if it turns out that it's pointless to fight for, then they have no reason to try. | Mar 04 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | gde33: Federal block grants. | Mar 04 15:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: dunno, there are a few sovereign states without a military of their own. | Mar 04 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | Federal highway funds. | Mar 04 15:05 |
| MinceR | (one could question how sovereign they are, though.) | Mar 04 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | Social insurance coverage. | Mar 04 15:06 |
| gde33 | msb: my argument isn't that it must be real, it is that one cant argue something to be unreal without looking into it. | Mar 04 15:06 |
| gde33 | I'm not offended by liars who want money. | Mar 04 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | The federal government has the obligation to provide defense. | Mar 04 15:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they could start, try and scrape the money together, and then fail hard. | Mar 04 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Right. The state budget falls apart without the federal subsidies and bailouts. | Mar 04 15:06 |
| gde33 | if anything they would have to ballance the books | Mar 04 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans are balancing Indiana's budgets on federal deficits. | Mar 04 15:07 |
| gde33 | which seems a cool idea | Mar 04 15:07 |
| msb | gde33: Any inventor who wanted to publish complete FE creation info could do it safely on the Net now. But they don't, because they want to make a profit. | Mar 04 15:07 |
| gde33 | msb: there are sooooo many | Mar 04 15:07 |
| gde33 | you imagine they don't | Mar 04 15:08 |
| msb | But for any of the 150 years of inventors who have published sufficient info, nobody has tried it and made it work. | Mar 04 15:08 |
| msb | Unless you think they were all secretly murdered. | Mar 04 15:08 |
| gde33 | be realistic, how much money is there in energy? | Mar 04 15:08 |
| gde33 | kill one guy is a big deal now? | Mar 04 15:09 |
| msb | $trillions | Mar 04 15:09 |
| gde33 | after all the petroleum wars? | Mar 04 15:09 |
| gde33 | they have trillions to divide, surely there is enough money there to kill someone? | Mar 04 15:09 |
| msb | How would the fascists find all the people trying to duplicate FE in their basements? | Mar 04 15:09 |
| gde33 | or at least scare them properly? | Mar 04 15:09 |
| msb | Before they revealed success in public. | Mar 04 15:09 |
| gde33 | good question | Mar 04 15:09 |
| gde33 | actually they dont, people publish things then they get ignored | Mar 04 15:10 |
| msb | Yes, isn't it. | Mar 04 15:10 |
| gde33 | only if they dont get ignored they are made to shut up | Mar 04 15:10 |
| gde33 | Meyer got patents in canada and international patents, that was why they couldn't shut him down under national security laws | Mar 04 15:10 |
| gde33 | all the others did get silenced | Mar 04 15:11 |
| gde33 | while the general public laughed at them | Mar 04 15:11 |
| msb | If anyone built a successful FE machine, they could write the complete info on a sheet of paper, xerox 10,000 copies, and send it to so many people that a few of them would also duplicate it. | Mar 04 15:11 |
| msb | That would prevent getting silenced. | Mar 04 15:11 |
| msb | Nobody has ever done it. | Mar 04 15:11 |
| gde33 | they could, then nothing would happen | Mar 04 15:11 |
| msb | Wouldn't you build one? I certainly would. | Mar 04 15:12 |
| gde33 | you could be one of the few who would build the replication | Mar 04 15:12 |
| gde33 | then you would be added to the laughing stock | Mar 04 15:12 |
| msb | And you also, right? | Mar 04 15:12 |
| gde33 | anyone | Mar 04 15:12 |
| msb | I don't care if people laugh at me. | Mar 04 15:12 |
| gde33 | some are that strong | Mar 04 15:13 |
| msb | Hell, I'd build and sell them, and laugh all the way to the bank. | Mar 04 15:13 |
| gde33 | evidently you didnt ;) | Mar 04 15:13 |
| msb | Because there aren't any that work (except maybe blacklight). | Mar 04 15:14 |
| gde33 | that suggests you have a list with all of them on it | Mar 04 15:14 |
| gde33 | you have no such list | Mar 04 15:14 |
| msb | There's dozens of them on a yahoo list who built MEGs. None of them worked. | Mar 04 15:14 |
| gde33 | when the claim is made you have to fly there and observe it first hand before the NDA's are signed | Mar 04 15:15 |
| gde33 | you have only a tiny window to see anything | Mar 04 15:15 |
| msb | Well that's the problem. If they want to make a profit, and have people sign NDAs, then that kills it, because they can be killed or scared off. | Mar 04 15:15 |
| gde33 | I'm not impressed by the evidence presented, evidence for a claim it didnt work is entirely unconvincing. | Mar 04 15:16 |
| msb | It has to be publicized widely. Has to be made public anyhow for a patent. | Mar 04 15:16 |
| gde33 | technology is bought by an organisation buying such things | Mar 04 15:17 |
| msb | gde33: So have you ever built any FE machines, if that's the way you feel? | Mar 04 15:17 |
| gde33 | then they sell the technology to big energy players | Mar 04 15:17 |
| msb | Of course. | Mar 04 15:17 |
| gde33 | I've tried to talk with scientists about the many claims | Mar 04 15:17 |
| msb | That's why the entire info has to be made public and spread widely. | Mar 04 15:17 |
| gde33 | I listened to their response, they are always 100% convinced before even reading something. | Mar 04 15:18 |
| gde33 | they are so convinced there is nothing there that they are offended by the question. | Mar 04 15:18 |
| msb | But you don't need to be a scientist to build one. | Mar 04 15:18 |
| gde33 | it would help to get at least some of them on the good side | Mar 04 15:18 |
| msb | I could build a cyclotron or an electron microscope on my kitchen table. | Mar 04 15:18 |
| msb | Help what? Any skilled DIYer could build one without the approval of any scientist. | Mar 04 15:19 |
| gde33 | if you try to set up any sort of community it will be destroyed | Mar 04 15:20 |
| gde33 | websites vanish | Mar 04 15:20 |
| gde33 | it is not a climate anyone can work in | Mar 04 15:20 |
| msb | BS. The info can be sent to 1000 yahoo lists and a dozen websites. | Mar 04 15:20 |
| gde33 | it can be, more usually someone makes a whole website dedicated to a topic | Mar 04 15:21 |
| gde33 | when that vanishes it takes most if not all of the information with it | Mar 04 15:21 |
| msb | Then someone could go to a safer country than the US with good internet and make a dozen websites and post to 1000 yahoo and other mailing lists. | Mar 04 15:22 |
| msb | That would give tens of thousands of people copies of the info on their home computers. | Mar 04 15:22 |
| gde33 | work your ass off to give a trillion euro invention away? | Mar 04 15:22 |
| gde33 | to people who dont want it? | Mar 04 15:22 |
| msb | The murderers can't work fast enough to stop that, or to kill or secretly threaten tens of thousands of people. | Mar 04 15:23 |
| msb | Patent it and license the patent. | Mar 04 15:23 |
| gde33 | take the oil spill for example, Pantone's GEET engine can just run on 80% salt water + some sort of petroleum product | Mar 04 15:23 |
| gde33 | there are about 5000 replications of that | Mar 04 15:24 |
| gde33 | in france they tried to arrest people for using the illegal modification but they just gave up | Mar 04 15:24 |
| msb | Are you sure? I've talked with Pantone and even given him a few dollars. But why would anyone put salt water into an engine or any convertor? | Mar 04 15:24 |
| gde33 | it is a plasma reaction, it doesnt matter what you put in it | Mar 04 15:25 |
| gde33 | it will run on suggar water + old oil | Mar 04 15:25 |
| msb | Sorry, plasma reactions depend very much on what you put in them. | Mar 04 15:25 |
| gde33 | the science just wasn't done on it | Mar 04 15:26 |
| gde33 | no one claims to know what is going on | Mar 04 15:26 |
| gde33 | all we know is that the exhaust is clean air | Mar 04 15:26 |
| msb | He said there's a blue glow, so maybe it's orgone. | Mar 04 15:26 |
| gde33 | that was established by people trying to shut him down | Mar 04 15:26 |
| msb | But they haven't, and he or his son are still teaching classes in it. | Mar 04 15:26 |
| gde33 | he is just a crazy guy of course | Mar 04 15:26 |
| gde33 | we cant expect him to leverage the tech | Mar 04 15:27 |
| gde33 | they put him in a mental institution for 5 years, tortured him into a wheelchair | Mar 04 15:27 |
| msb | Well if it's really giving super gas mileage it should catch on eventually. | Mar 04 15:27 |
| msb | Yes, I know. | Mar 04 15:27 |
| gde33 | he is alergic to peniciline, they gave him daily shots | Mar 04 15:28 |
| gde33 | turning him into a sort of walking corps / zombie | Mar 04 15:28 |
| msb | His mind is fine. | Mar 04 15:28 |
| gde33 | more paranoid than ever | Mar 04 15:28 |
| gde33 | when he started promoting the technology he was actually rich | Mar 04 15:28 |
| msb | With good reason, but still teaching. | Mar 04 15:28 |
| gde33 | he had a lot of houses he rented to people | Mar 04 15:28 |
| gde33 | those all got smashed | Mar 04 15:28 |
| msb | I don't know why the ghouls don't just kill him, but they haven't. Thank Goddess. | Mar 04 15:29 |
| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQjCURl54E | Mar 04 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | NBC shows OIL SPILL SOLUTION, GEET - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gr3mb ] | Mar 04 15:29 | |
| gde33 | MIT build something like it a while back | Mar 04 15:31 |
| gde33 | then it was shut down again lol | Mar 04 15:31 |
| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUNoQLzj00E | Mar 04 15:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | MIT Plasmatron Principles of the Pantone GEET - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gr3mw ] | Mar 04 15:31 | |
| gde33 | MIT patent is form 1995 | Mar 04 15:35 |
| gde33 | meyer was using something much like it | Mar 04 15:37 |
| gde33 | just to boost efficency ofc | Mar 04 15:37 |
| gde33 | it isnt perpetual motion, there are many unused combusion engine improvements. | Mar 04 15:38 |
| gde33 | a british inventor claims he build one with a single moving part :D | Mar 04 15:38 |
| msb | gde33: Thanks, those videos are encouraging! | Mar 04 15:43 |
| gde33 | it begs to wonder wtf happened? | Mar 04 15:43 |
| msb | Somebody posted to usenet a mod to a lawnmower engine to make it run on water. The sparkplug was replaced by something else, but I can't remember what. I must have a copy of the article somewhere, but so far I haven't found it. | Mar 04 15:44 |
| gde33 | meyer eventually reduced his whole contraption to the size of a spark plug | Mar 04 15:45 |
| msb | Now I remember. It was an oven magnetron, just like in MIlls simple H/He demo. | Mar 04 15:45 |
| msb | I wish Meyer had published it widely. | Mar 04 15:45 |
| gde33 | if the [racing spark plug] spark has enough voltage the engine can run on watter, it is just hard to make it efficent. | Mar 04 15:46 |
| gde33 | I think it was 20 kv, then the amps drop | Mar 04 15:47 |
| msb | If it's over-unity, people would pay attention. If not, it's just a steam engine. 8^) | Mar 04 15:47 |
| msb | ...running on electricity. | Mar 04 15:47 |
| gde33 | have to register it as an electric car | Mar 04 15:48 |
| gde33 | because the exhaust isn't enough to get the offical measurement results. | Mar 04 15:48 |
| gde33 | (exhaust measurements) | Mar 04 15:48 |
| msb | Presumably water engines split the water and use the hydrino effect on the resulting hydrogen. | Mar 04 15:49 |
| msb | But I still worry that hydrinos are toxic. Deuterium oxid -- heavy water -- is. | Mar 04 15:49 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/official-who-set-guidelines-british-internet-porn-filters-arrested-child-porn-charge | Mar 04 15:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Official Who Set Guidelines For British Internet Porn Filters Arrested On Child Porn Charges | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gr3ug ] | Mar 04 15:51 | |
| Sosumi | if I wanted to get rid of someone | Mar 04 15:51 |
| msb | I used to be on the vortex-l alt. energy list, but the bastard kicked me off for one post supporting someone who posted about energy politics. And after I'd helped him with his list software! | Mar 04 15:52 |
| Sosumi | I'd plant child pron on his computer | Mar 04 15:52 |
| msb | I should download all the archives and see if there's anything interesting there. | Mar 04 15:52 |
| gde33 | msb: controlled opposition | Mar 04 15:52 |
| Sosumi | or modify logs | Mar 04 15:52 |
| msb | Could be. | Mar 04 15:52 |
| msb | Hard to diffentiate between evil and stupidity. | Mar 04 15:53 |
| gde33 | not that hard | Mar 04 15:53 |
| msb | Sosumi: Cracking is something I've never gotten into. | Mar 04 15:53 |
| msb | Sometimes not that hard. | Mar 04 15:54 |
| Sosumi | cracking is a mandatory skill in this day and age | Mar 04 15:54 |
| msb | BlackLight now claims to have something like a hydrino fuel-cell. Quite simple. | Mar 04 15:54 |
| msb | Generates electricity directly. | Mar 04 15:55 |
| gde33 | Sosumi: on the other hand he got what he deserved | Mar 04 15:55 |
| Sosumi | yep | Mar 04 15:55 |
| gde33 | these half truths used to filter the whole web? | Mar 04 15:55 |
| msb | Who did? | Mar 04 15:55 |
| gde33 | the child pornographer internet filter guy | Mar 04 15:56 |
| msb | Haven't heard of that. What did he do? | Mar 04 15:56 |
| gde33 | sosumi just posted a link | Mar 04 15:56 |
| gde33 | http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/07/29/how-internet-in-the-uk-is-sleepwalking-into-censorship/ the filtering isn’t just of porn, rather it includes nine other categories, such as “esoteric material,” “web forums,” and “extremist and terrorist related content.” | Mar 04 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libertyblitzkrieg.com | How Internet in the UK is “Sleepwalking into Censorship” | A Lightning War for Liberty [ http://ur1.ca/gr3y8 ] | Mar 04 15:57 | |
| msb | Esoteric material??? Extremist? Web forums!!! | Mar 04 16:01 |
| msb | Time to start mesh wifi, laser links, DI | Mar 04 16:01 |
| gde33 | haha | Mar 04 16:01 |
| msb | DIY fiber, etc. | Mar 04 16:01 |
| gde33 | yeah! | Mar 04 16:01 |
| gde33 | mesh netwerked drones | Mar 04 16:02 |
| msb | What's that wonderful movie with the "eat me beat me girl" ? | Mar 04 16:03 |
| gde33 | The pirate bay will be hosted on drones if the establishment wants it | Mar 04 16:03 |
| msb | Pump Up The Volume -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/combined | Mar 04 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pump Up the Volume (1990) [ http://ur1.ca/gr3zr ] | Mar 04 16:04 | |
| msb | Christian Slater runs a pirate radio station for highschool kids. Samantha Mathis is the EMBM girl. Super-great movie, and a wonderful kicker at the very end. | Mar 04 16:05 |
| gde33 | ill download it :) | Mar 04 16:17 |
| msb | Great songs, too! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/soundtrack | Mar 04 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pump Up the Volume (1990) - Soundtracks - IMDb [ http://ur1.ca/gr43g ] | Mar 04 16:18 | |
| Sosumi | msb, smoke signals + pattern recognition > all | Mar 04 16:24 |
| msb | Sosumi: ??? | Mar 04 16:25 |
| Sosumi | just joking <msb>: (...) mesh wifi, laser links | Mar 04 16:26 |
| MinceR | msb's dreamland >> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-19-2014/jason-jones-live-from-sochi-ish---better-off-red | Mar 04 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailyshow.com | Jason Jones Live From Sochi-ish - Better Off Red - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 02/19/14 - Video Clip | Comedy Central [ http://ur1.ca/gr45g ] | Mar 04 16:27 | |
| MinceR | and he has the nerve to call others "republican" | Mar 04 16:27 |
| msb | MinceR lies again. I guess he'll never stop. He's obssessed with "commies". "<MinceR> msb's dreamland" | Mar 04 16:36 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 16:36 |
| msb | obsessed | Mar 04 16:36 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 16:36 |
| msb | He just attacks out of the blue, when the discussion has nothing to do with "commies". He's nuts. | Mar 04 16:37 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 16:38 |
| MinceR | he mad. | Mar 04 16:40 |
| MinceR | it's cute how only msb is allowed to attack people. | Mar 04 16:41 |
| MinceR | just like only putin is allowed to attack other countries and only yanukovych and putin are allowed to have unlimited wealth | Mar 04 16:48 |
| gde33 | You are both easily baited, makes for a healthy relationship imho. | Mar 04 16:50 |
| gde33 | hahaha | Mar 04 16:50 |
| gde33 | just use the doctine of universal love | Mar 04 16:51 |
| MinceR | it doesn't work | Mar 04 16:51 |
| gde33 | not for you personally, but it works for everyone arround you | Mar 04 16:51 |
| MinceR | it doesn't really work for anyone | Mar 04 16:51 |
| MinceR | especially so long as the majority is predisposed toward harming everything they can reach | Mar 04 16:52 |
| gde33 | people are mostly a product of their environment | Mar 04 16:52 |
| MinceR | one person doesn't make an environment. | Mar 04 16:52 |
| gde33 | sure, people tried to hurt and punish me for each good dead | Mar 04 16:52 |
| gde33 | thats just who they are | Mar 04 16:53 |
| MinceR | and that's the people you're stuck with. | Mar 04 16:53 |
| gde33 | I'm not going to recompile my whole personality just because some retard posted a dysfunctional patch | Mar 04 16:53 |
| gde33 | I'm not influenced by it | Mar 04 16:53 |
| MinceR | well, not by patches | Mar 04 16:53 |
| MinceR | not necessarily, i mean | Mar 04 16:54 |
| gde33 | I might be stuck with them, they are stuck with themselves. | Mar 04 16:54 |
| gde33 | On the other hand, if humans would live forever I would kill all of them. | Mar 04 16:56 |
| gde33 | all these knee jerks | Mar 04 16:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 04 16:56 |
| gde33 | but why bother? | Mar 04 16:56 |
| MinceR | they'd beat you to it. | Mar 04 16:56 |
| msb | I'm not that easily baited. Once I find that discussion with someone is useless/impossible, I bow out, as I did some hours ago. But when he directly lies about me, I may correct it. | Mar 04 16:56 |
| gde33 | nah they are much to dumb | Mar 04 16:56 |
| MinceR | msb: stop lying. | Mar 04 16:56 |
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| gde33 | I always encurage people who lie about me | Mar 04 16:57 |
| MinceR | does it work? | Mar 04 16:57 |
| gde33 | sure, I'm having a ton of fun | Mar 04 16:58 |
| gde33 | it is not like such efforts accumulate to anything | Mar 04 16:58 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll give it a try | Mar 04 16:58 |
| gde33 | If I admire the person, then their opinion may be upsetting. | Mar 04 17:03 |
| gde33 | but only in relevant context :D | Mar 04 17:03 |
| MinceR | http://ct.fra.bz/il/fz/se/i37/2/7/9/f_9bb5c4815d.jpg | Mar 04 17:18 |
| gde33 | haha | Mar 04 17:19 |
| MinceR | http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-1-10-americans-html-std-study-finds-20140304,0,1188415.story#axzz2v1QcBT6r | Mar 04 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latimes.com | 1 in 10 Americans think HTML is an STD, study finds - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/gr4lo ] | Mar 04 17:21 | |
| Sosumi | yes | Mar 04 17:24 |
| Sosumi | use plain txt only | Mar 04 17:24 |
| Sosumi | *text | Mar 04 17:24 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 04 17:25 |
| gde33 | hyper sex | Mar 04 17:25 |
| MinceR | :D | Mar 04 17:26 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Mar 04 17:30 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 04 17:30 |
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| MinceR | gn | Mar 04 18:39 |
| gde33 | I just noticed how easy you can find people endorsing drone killings on the internet. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| gde33 | Apparently they have no imagination, a few decades from now they will be the first targets. | Mar 04 18:51 |
| gde33 | When everyone has one | Mar 04 18:51 |
| gde33 | https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/25/tried-silence-drone-victim-kareem-khan/ | Mar 04 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | Who Tried to Silence Drone Victim Kareem Khan? - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gr5c1 ] | Mar 04 18:52 | |
| gde33 | if they can abduct people from their house just like that they dont even need drones | Mar 04 18:53 |
| gde33 | they seem not to grasp how nasty these things are | Mar 04 18:54 |
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| Samizdat | great God Jesus, there is some life left on IRC | Mar 05 00:45 |
| Samizdat | (we think there is, anyway -- we'll reserve final judgment for whether there's any posts but these two of mine over the next, say -- what's a fair number -- twelve hours) | Mar 05 00:48 |
| Samizdat | pardons, make that three: we said "mine" but meant to say "ours" | Mar 05 00:52 |
| tessier | Samizdat: eh? | Mar 05 01:18 |
| tessier | There is no God Jesus btw. That's just a myth. | Mar 05 01:18 |
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| MinceR | :> | Mar 05 01:52 |
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| msb | I think there was a Jesus, said some good things. But not a god. | Mar 05 02:08 |
| msb | If You Use That Which Is Within You, Nothing Outside Of You Can Harm You. If You Do Not Use That Which Is Within You, Nothing Outside Of You Can Save You. ~ Jesus, the Christ in The Gospel of Thomas | Mar 05 02:12 |
| msb | Some Cathars believed that Jesus had been a manifestation of spirit unbounded by the limitations of matter -- a sort of divine spirit or feeling manifesting within human beings. Many embraced the Gospel of John as their most sacred text, and many rejected the traditional view of the Old Testament -- proclaiming that the God of the Old Testament was really the devil, or creative demiurge. They proclaimed that there was a higher God -- the | Mar 05 02:15 |
| msb | True God -- and Jesus was or is the messenger. ... | Mar 05 02:15 |
| msb | . | Mar 05 02:16 |
| msb | The God found in the Old Testament had nothing to do with the God of Love known to Cathars. The Old Testament God had created the world as a prison, and demanded from the "prisoners" fearful obedience and worship. This false god was in reality -- claimed the Cathari -- a blind usurper who under the most false pretexts, tormented and murdered those whom he called, all too possessively, "his children". The false god was, by the Cathari, | Mar 05 02:16 |
| msb | called Rex Mundi, or The King of the World. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars | Mar 05 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Catharism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Mar 05 02:16 | |
| msb | . | Mar 05 02:17 |
| msb | 38:58 The container was buried somewhere in the Middle East eons ago by ... the father of Satan, a god who once walked the Earth before Man but was somehow banished to the dark side. Apparently the father buried his son inside the container. Now later on here, Christ comes to warn us. He was of extraterrestrial ancestry but a human-like race. 40:35 Finally they determined Christ is crazy, but he's also gaining power, converting a lot | Mar 05 02:18 |
| msb | of people to his beliefs, so they kill him. But his disciples keep the secret and hide it from civilization until man could develop a science sophisticated enough to prove what Christ was saying. -- Prince of Darkness -- John Carpenter | Mar 05 02:18 |
| msb | Prince of Darkness is a wonderful movie! | Mar 05 02:19 |
| msb | Written and directed by John Carpenter (a JC). | Mar 05 02:20 |
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| zoot | hern | Mar 05 04:02 |
| msb | gde33: Ping! | Mar 05 04:08 |
| zoot | gde33: Ping! | Mar 05 04:12 |
| gde33 | hey | Mar 05 04:14 |
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| msb | gde33: just wondering if you're seeing that stuff I posted about Jesus/Cathars about 2 hours ago. | Mar 05 04:15 |
| gde33 | sure | Mar 05 04:16 |
| msb | Cool! It occurred to me to wonder if a certain person with op privileges might be playing tricks. | Mar 05 04:17 |
| msb | I don't know much about IRC. | Mar 05 04:17 |
| gde33 | you can always open the web chat and see if your messages are showing up | Mar 05 04:18 |
| msb | I did that, but only after I had posted the stuff, so it's not there. But what I'm typing now is. | Mar 05 04:19 |
| gde33 | are you trying to make some sort of point with the quote? It seems to escape me. | Mar 05 04:20 |
| msb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars | Mar 05 04:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Catharism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Mar 05 04:22 | |
| msb | The Cathars were all systematically murdered by the Catholic Church/Pope(s). | Mar 05 04:23 |
| msb | No specific point. Somebody mentioned Jesus a couple hours before so I thought I'd post some info about him that I find quite interesting. | Mar 05 04:24 |
| gde33 | It reminds me of: Think twice before joining an organisation because you will be held responsible for the deeds of others. | Mar 05 04:24 |
| gde33 | After you sign up you have no excuse | Mar 05 04:25 |
| msb | The Cathars too found the god of the OT/NT to be a genocidal psychopath. | Mar 05 04:25 |
| msb | organization being the Cathars? | Mar 05 04:26 |
| gde33 | sure, that was the success formula | Mar 05 04:26 |
| gde33 | any organisation | Mar 05 04:26 |
| msb | On our planet, people are often murdered for telling the truth. | Mar 05 04:26 |
| msb | Pandemic psychopathy | Mar 05 04:27 |
| gde33 | telling the truth isn't free :P | Mar 05 04:27 |
| gde33 | the thing we lack is people killing the liars | Mar 05 04:28 |
| msb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdY | Mar 05 04:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ] | Mar 05 04:28 | |
| msb | Widespread use of critical thinking would render the liars powerless. Much better than killing them. | Mar 05 04:29 |
| msb | Killing them sets a bad example, because the criteria for choosing those to be killed -- or for detecting liars -- are quite complex. | Mar 05 04:30 |
| msb | That's why we have trials by jury. | Mar 05 04:31 |
| gde33 | ironically, I see the lack of a link to the documentary here as an act of psychopathy/lack of empathy | Mar 05 04:31 |
| msb | lack of a link to what documentary? | Mar 05 04:32 |
| gde33 | ? | Mar 05 04:33 |
| msb | The Verstappen docu that I just posted about? | Mar 05 04:33 |
| gde33 | it talks about the documentary without linking to it | Mar 05 04:33 |
| gde33 | that is how intelligence agencies kill things online | Mar 05 04:34 |
| gde33 | talk about them all over the web, but never link to it | Mar 05 04:34 |
| gde33 | it is a small thing to do | Mar 05 04:34 |
| gde33 | but at the end of the day the link is what makes or kills online presence | Mar 05 04:35 |
| msb | Do you mean Verstappen's docu "Defense Against the Psychopath" ? | Mar 05 04:36 |
| gde33 | I'm not going to explain how the internet works, sorry | Mar 05 04:37 |
| gde33 | it's to much work, and to obvious | Mar 05 04:38 |
| gde33 | if there is a link: then people can visit a website | Mar 05 04:38 |
| gde33 | if there is no link: then they cant | Mar 05 04:38 |
| gde33 | no link = death | Mar 05 04:38 |
| msb | If that's the documentary you mean, it's easy to find with a search of Youtube. It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgGyvxqYSbE | Mar 05 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Defense Against the Psychopath (Full length Version) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grab6 ] | Mar 05 04:39 | |
| gde33 | is global research tv your channel? | Mar 05 04:39 |
| msb | No. | Mar 05 04:39 |
| gde33 | omg I'm so confused you dont get what I mean | Mar 05 04:40 |
| gde33 | where to begin..... | Mar 05 04:40 |
| gde33 | how do you think things get popular online? | Mar 05 04:40 |
| gde33 | by telling people to search in google? that is how people first find facebook etc by searching in google? | Mar 05 04:41 |
| gde33 | or is it that face book has billions of links pointing at it? | Mar 05 04:41 |
| gde33 | could it be significant? | Mar 05 04:41 |
| gde33 | I have something like 20 thousand web pages, no one ever bothered to link to any of them. | Mar 05 04:41 |
| msb | Looks like it's run by CRG or by James Corbett (who's connected with CRG). | Mar 05 04:41 |
| gde33 | everyone is basically working really hard to make the corporate owned internet | Mar 05 04:42 |
| gde33 | the PSYCHO WEB | Mar 05 04:42 |
| gde33 | if you look at news articles | Mar 05 04:42 |
| msb | True. But once a person contacts one site of alternative news, it leads to others. | Mar 05 04:42 |
| gde33 | you often see them carefully avoid linking to the things they talk about | Mar 05 04:42 |
| gde33 | it was just an example | Mar 05 04:44 |
| gde33 | msb: the guy who did the interview never even considered helping to promote the documentary!! | Mar 05 04:45 |
| gde33 | maybe that is a bit over the hill, he does mention it | Mar 05 04:46 |
| msb | Corbett's a very good guy. I'm sure that was just an oversight. | Mar 05 04:46 |
| gde33 | sure, and as a single event it isn't a big deal | Mar 05 04:46 |
| gde33 | but when hundreds of millions of people do this..... | Mar 05 04:46 |
| gde33 | then soon you will have only face book | Mar 05 04:46 |
| gde33 | maybe it is just me, that idea just horrifies me | Mar 05 04:48 |
| gde33 | more on topic, psychopaths are just psychopaths | Mar 05 04:48 |
| gde33 | we should apperciate who they are, we have the technology to establish the condition | Mar 05 04:49 |
| gde33 | they are not to blame for anything | Mar 05 04:49 |
| gde33 | people who want to be ruled by them are the real problem | Mar 05 04:49 |
| msb | Psychopaths employ a lot of deceptions in order to rule people. Bernays instructed them how to do it on a large scale. | Mar 05 04:50 |
| gde33 | that is because we demand they act that way | Mar 05 04:51 |
| gde33 | we demand they act against their nature | Mar 05 04:51 |
| gde33 | mimic our emotions | Mar 05 04:51 |
| gde33 | the skepticism about how incredibly easy it is to detect the condition is evidence of psychopathy in it self | Mar 05 04:52 |
| gde33 | the high grade psycho doesnt even have brain activity in emotional context | Mar 05 04:53 |
| gde33 | the brain just rewires it self when parts fail | Mar 05 04:53 |
| msb | I just tried to post a comment to Corbett's interview of Verstappen, but it turns out that youtube prevents posting URLS to youtube. | Mar 05 04:56 |
| msb | Now I have to put the link on my site. brb | Mar 05 04:56 |
| gde33 | I think it should work? | Mar 05 04:56 |
| gde33 | good point tho :) | Mar 05 04:58 |
| gde33 | I've posted a link under the video :) | Mar 05 04:58 |
| gde33 | will put it on my website to :D | Mar 05 04:58 |
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| msb | OK the link is up on my site -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/ | Mar 05 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Mar 05 05:08 | |
| gde33 | http://www.chinastrategies.com/defenseagainstpsychopath.pdf | Mar 05 05:09 |
| gde33 | from under the docu | Mar 05 05:09 |
| msb | Thanks! Don't think I have that. | Mar 05 05:10 |
| gde33 | at 30 min he claims you cant measure it | Mar 05 05:10 |
| gde33 | as if punching people in the face or piles of dead bodies isnt good enough | Mar 05 05:11 |
| msb | Wow, how nice of SV to publish a free summary of his book! Of course, good advertising too. | Mar 05 05:15 |
| msb | gde33: Where did you post a link? | Mar 05 05:18 |
| gde33 | still working on it | Mar 05 05:19 |
| gde33 | http://blog.go-here.nl/8577 | Mar 05 05:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.go-here.nl | Defense Against the Psychopath - Stefan Verstappen | Mar 05 05:20 | |
| msb | Wow! Very pretty site! | Mar 05 05:22 |
| gde33 | yours is nice too :) | Mar 05 05:24 |
| gde33 | pandemic psychopathy is a good description | Mar 05 05:25 |
| gde33 | I had an idea long ago to make prisons more like normal life | Mar 05 05:26 |
| msb | Oh you have got a lot of great stuff under "Transmutation" ! Do you know about Iwamura's work? | Mar 05 05:26 |
| gde33 | give them a house, a job or some opportunity to start a business | Mar 05 05:26 |
| gde33 | not really, looking at it now | Mar 05 05:27 |
| msb | If poor homeless starving people had a place on a collective (co-op) farm, they wouldn't go into crime. | Mar 05 05:27 |
| gde33 | My idea was to make prison less of a big deal | Mar 05 05:27 |
| gde33 | the senteces would be much longer of course | Mar 05 05:28 |
| msb | 308 hits searching for Iwamura in lenr-canr.org | Mar 05 05:29 |
| gde33 | they put abusive prisoners in isolation, but it isn't much of a punishment if they already live in isolation | Mar 05 05:29 |
| msb | He flows deuterium gas through a thin film of metal on some kind of weird substrate, and the metal transmutes! Room temperature, no neutrons etc needed. | Mar 05 05:29 |
| gde33 | sure | Mar 05 05:30 |
| msb | There is something very special about deuterons. | Mar 05 05:30 |
| gde33 | one alchemist wrote some stuff about animals, cant remember who or what precicely | Mar 05 05:30 |
| gde33 | chickens make a whole bunch of stuff that should technically be impossible | Mar 05 05:31 |
| gde33 | sadly cant remember what it was, it could have been calcium | Mar 05 05:31 |
| msb | I think it was that their eggshells have more calcium than they get in their diet. | Mar 05 05:32 |
| gde33 | something like that | Mar 05 05:32 |
| gde33 | it was a diet without the molecule he described | Mar 05 05:32 |
| gde33 | even with zero calcium they end up having it | Mar 05 05:32 |
| gde33 | then they eat the old egg shells | Mar 05 05:33 |
| msb | http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue34/bookreview_biotrans.html | Mar 05 05:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infinite-energy.com | Book Review: Biological Transmutations by C.Louis Kervran [ http://ur1.ca/gras6 ] | Mar 05 05:33 | |
| gde33 | ah yes, that was it | Mar 05 05:34 |
| gde33 | that guy at least | Mar 05 05:34 |
| msb | That's the book I read about. Reviewed in poor murdered Mallove's magazine. | Mar 05 05:35 |
| gde33 | malove might be dead, he is still twitching :P | Mar 05 05:35 |
| msb | Just a robbery my ass! | Mar 05 05:35 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 05 05:35 |
| msb | Years ago I used to deny stuff like that with great superiority. That was before cold fusion, BlackLight, and Iwamura. | Mar 05 05:37 |
| msb | This guy has a couple of great videos on youtube: http://www.sheldrake.org/about-rupert-sheldrake/frequently-asked-questions | Mar 05 05:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sheldrake.org | Frequently Asked Questions [ http://ur1.ca/grau4 ] | Mar 05 05:41 | |
| msb | Rupert Sheldrake. For example, he mentions that the speed of light does vary! Scientists just ignore it! | Mar 05 05:42 |
| msb | He has about 20 major weird things that mainstream science ignores. | Mar 05 05:42 |
| msb | The same guy who figured out exactly how the WTC towers were blown up told me about Sheldrake. | Mar 05 05:43 |
| gde33 | msb: I'm doing so many things at the same time I'm not doing anything anymore lol | Mar 05 05:55 |
| msb | I know what you mean. I was just searching by bookmarks for sheldrake, and found a whole lot of stuff I'd forgotten about. | Mar 05 05:56 |
| gde33 | hehe, I was thinking, we could make an organisation called "KILL THE PSYCHO!" | Mar 05 05:57 |
| gde33 | then openly and publicly describe who should be killed and why | Mar 05 05:58 |
| gde33 | eventually one would end up in court :D | Mar 05 05:58 |
| gde33 | it will be interesting to hear the defense | Mar 05 05:59 |
| gde33 | then just reply that their name is on the list now | Mar 05 05:59 |
| gde33 | it is of course not allowed to murder people, the only exception is if it is in self defense | Mar 05 06:00 |
| gde33 | tell me what other jobs Bush created except from killing brown people in Iraq or Afghanistan etc? | Mar 05 06:01 |
| msb | Problem is, about 1 person in 22 meets the criteria of Hare et al for being a psychopath, and a further 1 in 10 are borderline. That makes 1 out of 7 total. | Mar 05 06:02 |
| gde33 | man, look at the bright side, we woud have 6 people left | Mar 05 06:03 |
| gde33 | that is more than enough | Mar 05 06:03 |
| msb | eva '1/(1/22 + .1)' 6.875 | Mar 05 06:03 |
| gde33 | make a nice hole in the ground, then put the 1 billion psychopaths in the hole | Mar 05 06:03 |
| gde33 | 3) proffit! | Mar 05 06:03 |
| msb | No. The trauma of all that killing would create more psychopaths. It would cause people to armor up. | Mar 05 06:05 |
| gde33 | we can use some of them to do the hard work | Mar 05 06:05 |
| gde33 | they will show you how easy it is | Mar 05 06:05 |
| msb | Hey, wanna talk via skype? | Mar 05 06:05 |
| gde33 | I dont use voice chat sorry | Mar 05 06:06 |
| msb | Why not? | Mar 05 06:06 |
| gde33 | I'm not really planning to kill anyone, I'm just exploring the hypothesis | Mar 05 06:06 |
| msb | Are you an ET with a lousy vocoder? | Mar 05 06:06 |
| gde33 | hahaha | Mar 05 06:06 |
| gde33 | my universal translator is teh suck | Mar 05 06:07 |
| msb | Well, you're *writing* about it here. | Mar 05 06:07 |
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| gde33 | sorry, what do you mean? | Mar 05 06:07 |
| msb | which may even get archived if Roy gets around to it. | Mar 05 06:07 |
| gde33 | sure, I dont mind | Mar 05 06:07 |
| msb | Voice is less traceable. | Mar 05 06:07 |
| msb | It's just nice to talk with an intelligent friendly person. I like to talk on the phone. But you're in NL? | Mar 05 06:08 |
| gde33 | my moto is to treat people just a bit kinder than the way they treat others | Mar 05 06:08 |
| msb | That's good! | Mar 05 06:09 |
| msb | A kindred spirit is the phrase I was looking for. | Mar 05 06:09 |
| gde33 | if one would kill "just" a few dozen people just for the pleasure of the kill, then one just deserve to be murdered. | Mar 05 06:10 |
| gde33 | it would be rude not to | Mar 05 06:10 |
| msb | A good society would deal with anatomical psychopaths in ways that would prevent them from doing harm. And it wouldn't produce programmed psychopaths at all. | Mar 05 06:12 |
| gde33 | indeed | Mar 05 06:12 |
| msb | First step: get rid of JCI religion. | Mar 05 06:12 |
| gde33 | we should aperciate who they are | Mar 05 06:12 |
| msb | The Cathars were absolutely right. | Mar 05 06:12 |
| gde33 | dont put them in leadership positions | Mar 05 06:12 |
| gde33 | they dont have empathy, you might as well write a software to rule you | Mar 05 06:12 |
| msb | Or allow them to swindle people. | Mar 05 06:12 |
| msb | Bad software. | Mar 05 06:13 |
| gde33 | bad? | Mar 05 06:13 |
| msb | Software that fucks you over. | Mar 05 06:13 |
| gde33 | evil software | Mar 05 06:13 |
| msb | yep | Mar 05 06:13 |
| gde33 | skynet is supper efficent, nothing bad about it from a software perspective, moar like a huge accomplishment :P | Mar 05 06:14 |
| gde33 | there are other interesting aspects to big government | Mar 05 06:15 |
| msb | Yeah, they're now gonna make AI controlled drones, that decide who to kill. | Mar 05 06:15 |
| gde33 | indeed | Mar 05 06:15 |
| gde33 | On a small scale one might have to chose between sleeping or working for example. | Mar 05 06:16 |
| msb | What could possibly go wrong? | Mar 05 06:16 |
| msb | ? | Mar 05 06:16 |
| gde33 | on a bigger scale one might have to chose between something like 1 000 000 people not sleeping or killing one person | Mar 05 06:16 |
| msb | I'm not following. What's the connection with sleeping? | Mar 05 06:17 |
| gde33 | it is a crude example | Mar 05 06:17 |
| gde33 | the choices are not realistic, just to compare things | Mar 05 06:17 |
| gde33 | if it is one night we should all stay awake | Mar 05 06:18 |
| Sosumi | http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_goes_up_for_preorder_on_orange_romania-news-7965.php | Mar 05 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Samsung Galaxy S5 goes up for pre-order for 699 - GSMArena.com news [ http://ur1.ca/grb9h ] | Mar 05 06:18 | |
| Sosumi | just expensive as the hypePhone | Mar 05 06:18 |
| Sosumi | no thank you, nexus 5 all the way | Mar 05 06:18 |
| gde33 | msb: but say the choice is between a million people going without sleep for 5 days or killing one person | Mar 05 06:18 |
| Sosumi | or by the time, nexus 6 | Mar 05 06:18 |
| gde33 | msb: what would be the correct decision? | Mar 05 06:19 |
| msb | gde33: I still don't get it. How would such a situation arise? | Mar 05 06:19 |
| gde33 | msb: decision making gets increasingly weird when more people are involved | Mar 05 06:19 |
| gde33 | the example I gave is a simplification | Mar 05 06:20 |
| msb | The problem is, if you kill even one psychopath (except in immediate self-defense), then all the others point to you as an evil killer. | Mar 05 06:20 |
| gde33 | I'm refering to the why we have psycho's in leadership positions. | Mar 05 06:21 |
| gde33 | say you are running a hospital, you have to chose between a big treatment for one person or a small one for many | Mar 05 06:21 |
| msb | Well, that's because they lie, cheat, steal, and murder their way into leadership. | Mar 05 06:21 |
| gde33 | such decisions eat away on your soul | Mar 05 06:21 |
| gde33 | that is why the psycho does so much better, he doesn't have one | Mar 05 06:22 |
| gde33 | he will just chose whaterver | Mar 05 06:22 |
| msb | No such choice needs to be made. We have huge resources. We only have to stop giving 99% of the wealth to 1% of the people. | Mar 05 06:22 |
| gde33 | it is indeed that simple | Mar 05 06:23 |
| msb | This is worth watching! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY | Mar 05 06:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | David Korten - The Great Turning - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grbde ] | Mar 05 06:25 | |
| gde33 | the problem with dividing the wealth is that most people only care how much they are getting | Mar 05 06:25 |
| gde33 | that is why it wont happen | Mar 05 06:26 |
| msb | http://www.davidkorten.org/great-turning | Mar 05 06:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidkorten.org | The Great Turning: An Epic Passage | Living Economies Forum | Mar 05 06:26 | |
| msb | In fact, most people would get more than they have now! | Mar 05 06:26 |
| gde33 | yes, but as long as they only care about themselves they wont get anything | Mar 05 06:28 |
| msb | Sosumi: Sorry, don't mean to ignore you -- we're trying to save the world. | Mar 05 06:28 |
| gde33 | :D | Mar 05 06:29 |
| Sosumi | build an AI | Mar 05 06:29 |
| Sosumi | give it all the management functions | Mar 05 06:29 |
| Sosumi | and no more you will have to concern yourself with the short sighted views and interests of figure heads and pathological liars | Mar 05 06:30 |
| msb | We already _have_ robots in most management positions! | Mar 05 06:30 |
| gde33 | Sosumi: or you end up making them permanent | Mar 05 06:30 |
| Sosumi | not permanent, at least not now | Mar 05 06:31 |
| Sosumi | but at least use it as a decisions support instrument | Mar 05 06:31 |
| msb | People need to become more conscious. Total legalization of cannabis would help a lot! | Mar 05 06:31 |
| Sosumi | winners don't do drugs | Mar 05 06:31 |
| gde33 | Sosumi: AI has no empathy, no reason to think it will be any more humaine than our worse psychopath | Mar 05 06:31 |
| msb | A sane society doesn't have "winners" and "losers". | Mar 05 06:32 |
| Sosumi | AI doesn't need empathy, it just needs to be reasonous | Mar 05 06:32 |
| gde33 | it seems you are unaware how much drugs the so called finanical independent use | Mar 05 06:33 |
| gde33 | the mega loads of cocaine that are needed to run the US economy | Mar 05 06:33 |
| msb | If only they would switch to psychedelics! | Mar 05 06:33 |
| Sosumi | I knows about Bush senior and the CIA drug trade | Mar 05 06:33 |
| Sosumi | no worries | Mar 05 06:34 |
| Sosumi | Cocaine Importing Agency | Mar 05 06:34 |
| msb | Wasn't junior caught with 10 tons of coke in a plane he was flying. | Mar 05 06:34 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Mar 05 06:34 |
| msb | Maybe it was 10 pounds, I forget. | Mar 05 06:34 |
| Sosumi | all I know about junior is that he's the amrican Boris Yeltsin | Mar 05 06:34 |
| Sosumi | aka drunkard | Mar 05 06:35 |
| msb | Wasn't Hunter S Thompson murdered because he knew about "W" fucking or killing some kids? | Mar 05 06:35 |
| Sosumi | never heard of that | Mar 05 06:36 |
| msb | Shot himself in the head twice my ass! | Mar 05 06:36 |
| gde33 | I call that professional suicide | Mar 05 06:37 |
| msb | Yeah, IIRC he'd helped make a movie of it. | Mar 05 06:37 |
| msb | Dedication | Mar 05 06:37 |
| msb | I was a teen in the '60s. Cannabis helped a whole lot! | Mar 05 06:39 |
| msb | Helped deprogram people, so they protested and ended the Vietnam War. | Mar 05 06:39 |
| gde33 | think about it, where did clintons millions come from? | Mar 05 06:40 |
| msb | Yeah, it wasn't from pimping out Hillary. | Mar 05 06:40 |
| gde33 | After graduating from Yale Law School, Clinton returned to Arkansas and became a law professor at the University of Arkansas. A year later, he ran for the House of Representatives in 1974. | Mar 05 06:41 |
| gde33 | must be some serious money in being a law professor for 1 year | Mar 05 06:42 |
| msb | The great movie "The Net" with Sandra Bullock, includes that business where a high govt official shoots himself in a park, like Hillary's boyfriend. | Mar 05 06:42 |
| gde33 | ? | Mar 05 06:43 |
| msb | Vince Foster | Mar 05 06:43 |
| msb | http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.php | Mar 05 06:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whatreallyhappened.com | The Death of Vincent Foster | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED [ http://ur1.ca/grblk ] | Mar 05 06:45 | |
| msb | Michael Rivero is a good guy! I used to argue with him back when I was ignorant. | Mar 05 06:45 |
| gde33 | haha, I remember being ignorant about homeopathy, until I tried some myself. | Mar 05 06:46 |
| msb | Anyhow, The Net is a wonderful movie. Sandra Bullock is the love of my life. Also Joanna Cassidy. | Mar 05 06:47 |
| gde33 | lol | Mar 05 06:47 |
| msb | Yeah, they fight over me. | Mar 05 06:47 |
| gde33 | for the record I wanted to add: I;'m totally download it from pirate bay | Mar 05 06:47 |
| msb | Nah, you wouldn't do anything illegal like that. | Mar 05 06:48 |
| gde33 | I download whatever I like | Mar 05 06:48 |
| msb | The whole US is represented by a sick bird -- an ill eagle. | Mar 05 06:49 |
| gde33 | a cooked goose | Mar 05 06:49 |
| msb | That movie is about computers and programming BTW -- a must see. | Mar 05 06:50 |
| gde33 | but the world isn't all bad | Mar 05 06:50 |
| msb | Our pineal glands manufacture DMT! | Mar 05 06:51 |
| msb | Also melatonin. | Mar 05 06:51 |
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| gde33 | the download finished | Mar 05 06:52 |
| msb | That's why the govt puts fluoride in the water. Calcifies the pineal gland so it doesn't work anymore. | Mar 05 06:52 |
| gde33 | damn my internets are so fast :D | Mar 05 06:52 |
| msb | Really! | Mar 05 06:52 |
| msb | Hey, The Net is in YIFY. They're the best. Or so I'm told. | Mar 05 06:53 |
| gde33 | never used it, there are so many | Mar 05 06:54 |
| msb | All 264 and huge resolution with small file size. | Mar 05 06:55 |
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| gde33 | such criminality | Mar 05 06:57 |
| gde33 | how dare they | Mar 05 06:57 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 05 06:59 |
| msb | And you, my dear friend | Mar 05 06:59 |
| msb | OK, good time to heat up some dinner. brb | Mar 05 07:03 |
| gde33 | MinceR: hi | Mar 05 07:08 |
| MinceR | hay | Mar 05 07:09 |
| gde33 | MinceR: how are you doing saving the world? | Mar 05 07:15 |
| gde33 | making progress? | Mar 05 07:16 |
| MinceR | not really | Mar 05 07:16 |
| gde33 | I was pondering brainscanning the politican for psychopathy | Mar 05 07:17 |
| gde33 | I think the chinese might go for it if it is presented proprly | Mar 05 07:18 |
| MinceR | interesting method to shut down the government of the PRC :> | Mar 05 07:23 |
| gde33 | it should be effective | Mar 05 07:28 |
| gde33 | their system is all about leadership qualities | Mar 05 07:28 |
| msb | Enjoying dinner -- Chinese coincidentally -- and *not* taking the bait. | Mar 05 07:28 |
| gde33 | at least that is their argument | Mar 05 07:28 |
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| msb | http://hf.dilbert.com/2014-03-03/ | Mar 05 07:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hf.dilbert.com | The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! | Mar 05 07:54 | |
| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2014/03/05/apple-confidential-nokia-terms-sanction-samsung/ | Mar 05 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Released Confidential License Terms with Nokia While Sanctioning Samsung for Role in Leaks - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/grc7t ] | Mar 05 07:55 | |
| Sosumi | nokia, lol | Mar 05 07:55 |
| Sosumi | now a patent troll and a M$ tentacle | Mar 05 07:55 |
| Sosumi | not that samsung is any good aka paying the android tax and the gods know what they add to the default android OS | Mar 05 07:56 |
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| Sosumi | msb, Hillary doesn't have a boyfriend | Mar 05 08:48 |
| Sosumi | she has a girlfriend, | Mar 05 08:48 |
| Sosumi | and from the badmouths around | Mar 05 08:49 |
| Sosumi | it used to be her assistant | Mar 05 08:49 |
| gde33 | she was an MKULTRA girl | Mar 05 08:49 |
| gde33 | trained to be the wife of some offical | Mar 05 08:49 |
| Sosumi | no wonder poor Billy Clinton went for Monica | Mar 05 08:49 |
| Sosumi | Monica | Mar 05 08:50 |
| gde33 | it seems clinton raped every girl he cound get his hands on | Mar 05 08:50 |
| Sosumi | much sexier than Hitlery Clington | Mar 05 08:50 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 05 08:50 |
| gde33 | much like kenedy | Mar 05 08:50 |
| MinceR | Hillarious Clinton | Mar 05 08:50 |
| Sosumi | http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_05/Behind-Ukraine-snipers-was-not-Yanukovych-but-new-coalition-Estonian-FM-to-Ashton-5154/ | Mar 05 08:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com | Kiev snipers hired by new coalition, not Yanukovych - Estonian FM to Ashton - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/grcrw ] | Mar 05 08:51 | |
| Sosumi | so what? blackwater? | Mar 05 08:52 |
| Sosumi | or other PMC | Mar 05 08:52 |
| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846vrwYecaQ | Mar 05 08:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Mind Control Out Of Control MK ULTRA Cathy O'Brien PT 1 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grcss ] | Mar 05 08:54 | |
| MinceR | http://s4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/03/05/6/1394007785_1624858475.jpeg | Mar 05 09:17 |
| gde33 | thats so funny in our war oriented culture | Mar 05 09:18 |
| gde33 | I remember when he put the nuclear destroyers next to warsingtoon | Mar 05 09:19 |
| gde33 | or whatever kind of nuke boats it were | Mar 05 09:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 09:24 |
| gde33 | imagine all the tears if he would have nuked all the lobbyists | Mar 05 09:25 |
| gde33 | look how we apparently need an american news slut to represent putin http://news.yahoo.com/putin-speaks-tough-ukraine-204103947.html | Mar 05 09:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Putin speaks tough on Ukraine - Yahoo News [ http://ur1.ca/grd61 ] | Mar 05 09:30 | |
| gde33 | they have his press conferance in the background | Mar 05 09:30 |
| gde33 | without sound | Mar 05 09:30 |
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| gde33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uscjzJDNOpU | Mar 05 09:35 |
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| msb | gde33: Hi! I'm back. Slept for a while. | Mar 05 13:15 |
| Sosumi | msb = master sleeper on the bench | Mar 05 13:44 |
| Sosumi | welcome back | Mar 05 13:44 |
| msb | thanx! -- watching kat movie on gde33's site -- http://blog.go-here.nl/8564 | Mar 05 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.go-here.nl | The Private Life of a Cat | Mar 05 13:45 | |
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| msb | gde33: That great cat video can be downloaded using youtube-dl from http://www.theatlantic.com/video/archive/2013/04/this-is-the-best-experimental-film-about-cats-ever-made/275231/ | Mar 05 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | This Is the Best Experimental Film About Cats Ever Made - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/grg8l ] | Mar 05 14:11 | |
| Sosumi | http://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Attempt-To-Convert-Users-From-XP-Backfires-Thanks-To-Low-Loyalty-Limited-Benefits/ | Mar 05 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hothardware.com | Microsoft's Attempt To Convert Users From Windows XP Backfires Thanks To Low Loyalty, Limited Benefits - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/grgax ] | Mar 05 14:16 | |
| Sosumi | kde is just like the XP GUI | Mar 05 14:17 |
| Sosumi | but better | Mar 05 14:17 |
| Sosumi | so, no reason to cling on XP | Mar 05 14:17 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Mar 05 14:20 |
| msb | KDE3 is better than KDE4, because 3 has badly messed up the multiple desktops. | Mar 05 14:21 |
| msb | KDE3 is better than KDE4, because 4 has badly messed up the multiple desktops. | Mar 05 14:21 |
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| msb | OpenSuse still provides KDE3, or you can get the TDE fork of KDE3 for various distros: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ | Mar 05 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.trinitydesktop.org | Trinity Desktop Environment | Mar 05 14:23 | |
| cubezzz | OR | Mar 05 14:24 |
| cubezzz | openbsd :) | Mar 05 14:24 |
| MinceR | or xfce :> | Mar 05 14:25 |
| msb | Are the xfce desktops persistent across reboots? | Mar 05 14:26 |
| cubezzz | even the latest openbsd supports KDE 3 | Mar 05 14:28 |
| msb | The ones in KDE3/TDE are named, persistent, and you can have up to 20 of them. And across reboots the desktops will come up with the same konsoles and other k-programs in each that they had when you logged out. | Mar 05 14:29 |
| msb | Although the konsoles are not opened to both the directories that they were before, only one. | Mar 05 14:30 |
| MinceR | msb: not sure, i have session management enabled but i tend to quit everything before logging out | Mar 05 14:35 |
| MinceR | https://31.media.tumblr.com/49c19bf189a0c6f3e2e1d3186ef7e856/tumblr_n1z2oaAsJd1qzc98qo1_500.jpg | Mar 05 14:35 |
| msb | Cute | Mar 05 14:36 |
| msb | youtube-dl is great! Needs only python. Sometimes works when VideoDownloader's balls aren't even rotating, eg, for that cat video. http://youtube-dl.org/ | Mar 05 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-youtube-dl.org | youtube-dl | Mar 05 14:43 | |
| MinceR | http://cheezburger.com/8090671616 | Mar 05 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cheezburger.com | Scumbag Putin - Cheezburger | Mar 05 14:46 | |
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| Sosumi | for some reason I kind of ended up preferring kde | Mar 05 14:47 |
| Sosumi | it has everything out of the box | Mar 05 14:47 |
| Sosumi | and works well overall | Mar 05 14:48 |
| MinceR | i used kde a lot | Mar 05 14:48 |
| MinceR | but kde4 put me off it | Mar 05 14:48 |
| msb | Yep. I was told that the kde4 feature set was chosen by focus groups populated by MS-Windows users. I think KDE4 was a MS attempt to sabotage Linux. | Mar 05 14:56 |
| Sosumi | wasn't that gnome | Mar 05 14:57 |
| cubezzz | that's just history repeating itself | Mar 05 14:57 |
| cubezzz | the KDE 1 people didn't like KDE 2 :) | Mar 05 14:57 |
| Sosumi | with the inclusion of mono | Mar 05 14:57 |
| msb | gnome has mono? | Mar 05 14:58 |
| Sosumi | yes | Mar 05 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | msb: uhmm I get to find out next weekend what non technical peole really like | Mar 05 14:58 |
| msb | yuck! | Mar 05 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | msb: out of the three options for the event | Mar 05 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | will many go to KDE on uhmm openSUSE not my choice | Mar 05 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | or will many go to Cinnamon on Mint | Mar 05 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | or will many go to Unity on Ubuntu | Mar 05 14:59 |
| MinceR | gnome copies macos | Mar 05 14:59 |
| cubezzz | KDE 3.5 distros: | Mar 05 14:59 |
| MinceR | started doing so with gnome 2 | Mar 05 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | what's a bit hmm to me thoug his how | Mar 05 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | ther'es no GNOME Shell at this event | Mar 05 14:59 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde3.5-distros.txt | Mar 05 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but right htey out voted me when it came to that so yeah | Mar 05 14:59 |
| MinceR | and yes, gnome has mono by default | Mar 05 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh, but Banshee and such can hep win non technicals over :d | Mar 05 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | from a user point of view Banshee is quite good | Mar 05 15:00 |
| MinceR | and i don't think that any good choices remained there -- ubuntu, ubuntu-based mint and suse | Mar 05 15:00 |
| MinceR | not so sure of that | Mar 05 15:00 |
| MinceR | can banshee even shuffle the playlist? | Mar 05 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah it's like haing Ubuntu twice really, except it's Min with Cinnamon | Mar 05 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it's about testing out the live session etc | Mar 05 15:00 |
| MinceR | (most music players can't do it properly, but audacious and other xmms derivatives can) | Mar 05 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: freebie wise though, I think I am going to have quite a bit more Ubuntu stuff than the openSUSE | Mar 05 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | and that's good surely? :) | Mar 05 15:01 |
| MinceR | meh | Mar 05 15:01 |
| MinceR | yeah, last i checked *suse was still worse than ubuntu :> | Mar 05 15:02 |
| msb | That KDE3 list is a bit old. Suse is up to version 13.1 and still has KDE3 (and of course KDE4). | Mar 05 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: SUSE is popular though | Mar 05 15:02 |
| msb | I still regard OpenSuse as the best engineered distro, and so I stay with it despite Novell's conniving with Microshit. | Mar 05 15:03 |
| Sosumi | http://distrowatch.com/ | Mar 05 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Mar 05 15:03 | |
| MinceR | i don't see what's "best engineered" about it | Mar 05 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah msb was a SUSE fan> | Mar 05 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 05 15:04 |
| MinceR | for example, it adds a yast menu item into the icewm menu that asks for the root password and then does nothing | Mar 05 15:04 |
| Sosumi | not as popular as mageia | Mar 05 15:04 |
| cubezzz | what no RHEL? :) | Mar 05 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | Sosumi: wel yeah if you go by distrowatch | Mar 05 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | Sosumi: Mageia is more popular | Mar 05 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | if you go by reality then SUSE Is more popular really | Mar 05 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | or so it seems | Mar 05 15:05 |
| MinceR | distrowatch ranking is more of a recent interest than popularity or installed base | Mar 05 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep exactly | Mar 05 15:05 |
| msb | Suse always works, has KDE3, very few bugs, great helpers on IRC, and yast is excellent. | Mar 05 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | msb: Mageia and open Mandriva and such | Mar 05 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | have a nce graphal control centre :) | Mar 05 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | msb: I remember when I had this LIe CD of SUSE and yasst didn't work | Mar 05 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | like three yaers ago or something | Mar 05 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | I was ike uh this uh it's not wrking, back to Synaptic in Ubuntu :d | Mar 05 15:06 |
| MinceR | and i think i've already talked about my friend's experience with opensuse | Mar 05 15:06 |
| MinceR | the horrible netinstall and the keyboard repeat issue | Mar 05 15:07 |
| msb | MinceR: dunno, did they ask for help in suse irc? | Mar 05 15:07 |
| MinceR | no | Mar 05 15:07 |
| MinceR | we suffered through the first one and he figured out how to fix the other | Mar 05 15:08 |
| msb | Should have. They will stay with a user until the problem is fixed. | Mar 05 15:08 |
| msb | So, fixed. Good. | Mar 05 15:08 |
| MinceR | not sure, they might have fixed both of these issues since then. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| MinceR | but i didn't have issues of that magnitude with crunchbang or debian. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| msb | So many different kinds of BIOS and peripherals, there will always be a problems with a few machines. But they are almost always fixable. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| MinceR | the netinstall issue was just pure laziness | Mar 05 15:10 |
| msb | And once they're fixed, Linux always keeps working. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| MinceR | the installer didn't know the list of the mirrors or the path on each ftp server and didn't resolve domain names. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| msb | I always just download the DVD ISO and burn it. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| msb | KISS | Mar 05 15:11 |
| MinceR | i expected the netinstall to be faster. | Mar 05 15:11 |
| MinceR | burn a small image and then only download what's really needed. | Mar 05 15:11 |
| MinceR | that's how it works on debian. :> | Mar 05 15:11 |
| MinceR | (though nowadays i use usb flash cards instead of optical media) | Mar 05 15:11 |
| msb | cards? thumb drives? | Mar 05 15:12 |
| MinceR | yes, flash memory with a usb mass storage interface :> | Mar 05 15:13 |
| msb | I just never heard it called a card before, thought it was something new. | Mar 05 15:13 |
| msb | Or is it a device that connects via usb, and takes flash memory cards in a slot? | Mar 05 15:14 |
| MinceR | no | Mar 05 15:15 |
| MinceR | i just don't think that "pen drive" is a good term for them | Mar 05 15:15 |
| MinceR | i haven't thought much of "thumb drive", they don't use that term around here :> | Mar 05 15:16 |
| msb | It always takes me a couple of days to update Linux, because I have to change various scripts I've written, figure out how to make the 2-button trackball work as 3-button, since X is always changing, and stuff like that. So I only do it when I can't use or compile new media apps that I want. | Mar 05 15:21 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 15:21 |
| msb | Also, I always wait a few months til they fix any bugs in the new version. | Mar 05 15:23 |
| msb | But if I get the time, I'll make a utility that periodically saves the exact state of all the konsoles, so they can be totally restored. Then I wouldn't have to leave the 'puter running all the time. | Mar 05 15:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 15:26 |
| MinceR | or you could make a terminal emulator that saves its own state :> | Mar 05 15:26 |
| msb | Interesting: all the konsoles are a single process, but I have 126 bash processes. | Mar 05 15:29 |
| msb | Wow, konsole seems to have 1336 qdbus options. Maybe I can just use some of those to save and restore the states. | Mar 05 15:33 |
| msb | I use KDE4 konsole, konversation, system monitor, klipper, maybe a couple others. They work fine under KDE3, and have been improved from the KDE3 versions. | Mar 05 15:34 |
| msb | Oh yeah, setting that up takes time on an upgrade. Also transferring ancient libs so xmms still works, since I have so many song equalizer files for it. | Mar 05 15:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 05 15:39 |
| MinceR | have you tried bmp or audacious? | Mar 05 15:39 |
| MinceR | (they're xmms1 forks) | Mar 05 15:39 |
| msb | I wrote a console emulator for my original IBM-PC in BASIC in the 80s so I could talk to a BSD Unix system I was renting time on, via a phone modem of course. | Mar 05 15:40 |
| msb | It could even up- and download files. | Mar 05 15:40 |
| msb | Do bmp and audacious use xmms equalizer files? | Mar 05 15:40 |
| MinceR | dunno | Mar 05 15:41 |
| MinceR | they use a lot of stuff from xmms1, including ancient plugins that nobody else supports, so it might work :> | Mar 05 15:41 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/microsoft-using-linux-4175496991/ | Mar 05 15:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Microsoft using Linux! [ http://ur1.ca/grhab ] | Mar 05 15:43 | |
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| msb | I use audacious for theta-reverb. Use the reverb plugin with the delay set between 125-250 msec, and you get theta brainwave stimulation! | Mar 05 15:43 |
| MinceR | is that a good thing? :> | Mar 05 15:44 |
| msb | Ooh baby! | Mar 05 15:44 |
| msb | Click on Audacious Output menu and then on Effects In Effects list look for "Echo Plugin" and click on "settings" just underneath. Note three sliders: Delay Feedback Volume Set Delay to 140, Feedback to 83, and Volume to 67 Then click Apply. | Mar 05 15:46 |
| MinceR | do i want to do that when i'm sleepy, tired and have a headache? :> | Mar 05 15:49 |
| msb | Find the song Bratja from Fullmetal Alchemist and do theta reverb on it -- my fave. | Mar 05 15:49 |
| msb | No, use psychedelics when you're awake and energetic. | Mar 05 15:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 05 15:51 |
| msb | Darn. Bratja is in BT, but only 93% of it. And it's also sung in russian. | Mar 05 15:53 |
| msb | Audacious -- I have Audacious 2.4.4 (UNSUPPORTED VERSION) -- retains all the reverb and equalizer settings, and the song file, when you kill it, and restart it anytime later. Very nice! | Mar 05 16:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 16:19 |
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| MinceR | http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2014/03/05/putin-unveils-new-propaganda-poster | Mar 05 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Putin Unveils New Propaganda Poster | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/grimo ] | Mar 05 17:31 | |
| MinceR | http://poorlydrawndinosaurs.com/?p=258 | Mar 05 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-poorlydrawndinosaurs.com | poorlydrawndinosaurs.com - Silly humans | Mar 05 17:32 | |
| MinceR | http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-30/anti-government-militia-groups-freeman/53873496/1 | Mar 05 17:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-usatoday30.usatoday.com | Anti-government 'sovereign movement' on the rise in U.S. – USATODAY.com [ http://ur1.ca/griwl ] | Mar 05 17:57 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 05 18:00 |
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| msb | "Putin Unveils New Propaganda Poster" Reality: US and EU use armed Nazis to conquer Ukraine and overthrow the elected government, and Putin wants to restore the elected govt. /// Lying Propaganda from US media: Putin is attacking first and wants to seize Ukraine. | Mar 05 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | The sewage pipe between my mom's house and the city sewage pipe has sprung a leak. | Mar 05 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's going to be expensive. | Mar 05 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | They're taking bids to fix it. So far, the lowest bid was some guy that was going to halfass it. He wanted $2,000. | Mar 05 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Ouch. | Mar 05 20:51 |
| msb | Regarding the "Anti-government 'sovereign movement'" there's no way that McVeighs ANFO truck bomb could have taken down the Murrah Building parked the distance away that it was. ANFO is a low-grade, low-brisance, low-velocity explosive, because the fuel and oxidizer are in two separate materials -- ammonium nitrate pellets in fuel oil. Slower than gunpowder, which is more finely mixed. | Mar 05 20:54 |
| msb | People saw men disguised as telephone technicians placing satchel charges of HE against the building's support columns in the basement. That's what blew it up. McVeigh was the patsy. | Mar 05 20:56 |
| msb | Also, the SPLC is a fascist/zionist propaganda organization working closely with the US govt. It named 9/11 researchers as "terrorists". | Mar 05 20:57 |
| msb | DaemonFC: What if you dug down to the leak and epoxied an aluminum sheet over the leak? After suitable cleaning of course. The pressure should be very low in a sewer pipe -- just a few inches of water. | Mar 05 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I told my stepdad I'd come over and help dig. :P | Mar 05 21:01 |
| msb | DaemonFC: You could hold the Al sheet in place with a series of hose clamps at each end while the epoxy hardened. Then leave them in place. | Mar 05 21:01 |
| msb | You can make a big hose-clamp out of a bunch of little ones all the same size by screwing them together in series. | Mar 05 21:02 |
| msb | DaemonFC: Maybe some kind of very thick but flexible plastic would be better than aluminum -- couldn't corrode. | Mar 05 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | It looks like dropping GNU/Linux support didn't affect Opera's usage share at all. | Mar 05 21:05 |
| msb | DaemonFC: Crap. Well, I have Opera but never use it. There are still a couple of other browsers I can use to check possibly malfunctioning web pages. The KDE and Gnome ones, and I can call up a friend who uses Exploder. | Mar 05 21:07 |
| msb | He couldn;t see the colored panels on my site in Firefox on his doorstop, but he could see them in MS-Exploder, and they showed up fine in FF and the KDE and Gnome browsers for me. | Mar 05 21:09 |
| msb | Also Opera, but byebye to that. | Mar 05 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | The last version of Opera for Linux is from last August, before they switched to Chromium. | Mar 05 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | A former employee of the company said that they don't take Linux seriously and are now forcing their employees to use Windows or OS X. | Mar 05 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | So, there probably never will be another version of Opera for GNU/Linux | Mar 05 21:12 |
| msb | So Opera threw away its entire code base in favor of Chromium? | Mar 05 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Yes. | Mar 05 21:13 |
| msb | What a waste! | Mar 05 21:14 |
| msb | "they don't take Linux seriously and are now forcing their employees to use Windows or OS X" I think that company is not long for this world! | Mar 05 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I believe the reason they had the "Linux" port to begin with was because their own developers preferred it. | Mar 05 21:18 |
| msb | Makes sense. | Mar 05 21:19 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 05 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | The Koch Brothers, Billionaire Polluters, and Walmart have basically bought and paid for PBS. | Mar 05 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | I barely even watch it anymore, because they'll agree not to report the news in exchange for "a generous donation". | Mar 05 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | So far, David Koch, BP, and Walmart have all "generously donated" their way out of unflattering-but-true documentaries being aired on PBS. | Mar 05 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart even "generously donated" enough to turn the documentary that PBS eventually aired into a pro-Walmart one. | Mar 05 22:27 |
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| msb | Well I just had another crash, this time with no messages about the display driver in the kernel log. And my main disk had to fsck, which took an hour. However, a friend suggested I look at the cpu temperatures using the bios, but -- Mirabile Dictu -- the KDE4 system monitor can show 5 different temp sensors on my machine, which it's now doing in a new tab. The highest one is 52degC, which I'm told is ok, but the machine isn't doing | Mar 05 23:58 |
| msb | much. | Mar 05 23:58 |
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| msb | I don't know if firefox was using a lot of cpu before the crash, I hadn't checked in a while. I suppose if FF has been crashing nvidia display drivers for a few months, we would have heard, unless Linux FF abusers like me are rare. | Mar 06 00:00 |
| msb | I haven't cleaned out the cpu heatsink for a long time, but now being catless I didn't think I had to. I'll see what the temp sensors say. | Mar 06 00:02 |
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| msb | I got both cores up to 100% usage and 70C by playing two 1920x1080 movies and recording TV with mencoder. So I should go in there and blow the dust out. | Mar 06 00:38 |
| msb | Which always makes a mess. | Mar 06 00:40 |
| msb | Now over to DaemonFC for Bargain Highlights. | Mar 06 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Mar 06 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | It's probably a bug in the Nvidia driver. | Mar 06 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | It wouldn't be the first time. | Mar 06 00:52 |
| msb | It started several months ago, and the only thing that's changed is Firefox. | Mar 06 01:05 |
| msb | I haven't had any crashes when I've kept FF cpu usage below 40%, by limiting the number of tabs. But I wasn't tracking it today. However, there were no messages in the kernel log from the display driver. The kernel crashed. | Mar 06 01:07 |
| msb | I'll try running a thorough memory test. The bios boot mem test doesn't find any problems. | Mar 06 01:08 |
| msb | The nvidia driver is the same as it ever was. If it dropped a bit on the disk, the crc would catch it. | Mar 06 01:10 |
| msb | Damn I love those temperature readings in the sys mon program. With them I could -- dare I say it? -- Rule the World! | Mar 06 01:12 |
| msb | I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy it! | Mar 06 01:12 |
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| MinceR | keep lying, msb. | Mar 06 01:54 |
| msb | MinceR: My commie comrades have infiltrated under your bed and in your closet! | Mar 06 01:56 |
| msb | MinceR: And...I'm eating lots of chili, so I'm always pootin'! | Mar 06 01:57 |
| MinceR | no, they're in my government | Mar 06 01:57 |
| prurigro | MinceR: I feel like "communists" in the US and communists in places like your gov't are such a different animal that the first group can't see why you'd be offended | Mar 06 02:09 |
| MinceR | depends on what the communists in the US are doing | Mar 06 02:10 |
| prurigro | talking about how great communism would be | Mar 06 02:10 |
| MinceR | because everyone can talk the talk | Mar 06 02:10 |
| prurigro | from the sidelines | Mar 06 02:10 |
| MinceR | and we can see what the eastern block did while talking the talk. | Mar 06 02:11 |
| prurigro | the argument is that communism isn't exactly that | Mar 06 02:11 |
| MinceR | and what the same people are doing now in hungary, for example. | Mar 06 02:11 |
| prurigro | but my counter argument is that this is what stems from removing ownership over anything from everyone | Mar 06 02:11 |
| MinceR | and in russia. | Mar 06 02:11 |
| MinceR | what is what stems from that? | Mar 06 02:12 |
| prurigro | russia isn't really anything close to communist these days is it, do you think? | Mar 06 02:12 |
| MinceR | it seems pretty close to what it was when it called itself communist | Mar 06 02:13 |
| prurigro | and I mean that the argument given for communism when presented with real life examples of how it played out is that those real life examples weren't communism | Mar 06 02:13 |
| MinceR | and it's led by the former communist kgb leader. | Mar 06 02:13 |
| MinceR | that sounds a lot like a no true scotsman argument :> | Mar 06 02:13 |
| prurigro | my counter argument is that those real life examples are the result of attempting to put the theory into practice | Mar 06 02:13 |
| MinceR | but i have issues with the non-state communism theory as well. | Mar 06 02:13 |
| prurigro | russia was very different when it was communist | Mar 06 02:14 |
| MinceR | well, deciding that the people don't get to own things very easily leads to the state owning those things | Mar 06 02:14 |
| prurigro | it wasn't ultra christian, for example | Mar 06 02:14 |
| MinceR | and a dictator controlling those things | Mar 06 02:14 |
| prurigro | yeah | Mar 06 02:14 |
| prurigro | and if you want to own things, when a person can't, you need to obtain power in the organization that can | Mar 06 02:14 |
| prurigro | ie: the state | Mar 06 02:14 |
| MinceR | like i keep saying, whether the ideology is christian is little more than decoration | Mar 06 02:14 |
| MinceR | the authoritarianism remains | Mar 06 02:14 |
| prurigro | I like socialism much ebtter | Mar 06 02:14 |
| prurigro | better* | Mar 06 02:14 |
| MinceR | a few people effectively owning everything also remained | Mar 06 02:14 |
| prurigro | where everyone owns a share of a piece of the pie, rather than noone owning anything | Mar 06 02:15 |
| prurigro | yeah | Mar 06 02:15 |
| MinceR | again, it's easy to do that only in words | Mar 06 02:15 |
| prurigro | canada is fairly socialist | Mar 06 02:15 |
| prurigro | it works nicely here | Mar 06 02:15 |
| MinceR | like authoritarian governments insisting that they're doing everything on behalf of the people | Mar 06 02:15 |
| prurigro | authoritarian governments pop up when you remove power from the people | Mar 06 02:15 |
| prurigro | bargaining chips are needed | Mar 06 02:19 |
| prurigro | I think that's why the internet works as a semi-libertarian-utopia | Mar 06 02:19 |
| prurigro | people have near equivalent power | Mar 06 02:19 |
| prurigro | I don't think it could exist in real life quite as successfully | Mar 06 02:20 |
| prurigro | someone would amass more weapons or henchmen or whatever and take control | Mar 06 02:21 |
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| msb | Capitalist economies/govts are subject to takeover by psychopaths because they can amass huge amounts of money, socialist ones because the govt has a lot of control. | Mar 06 02:31 |
| msb | Solutions involve the population being better informed, so lots of news media available with different points of view. Also better consciousness, so legal cannabis, and de-emphasis of JCI religion. | Mar 06 02:33 |
| MinceR | solutions also involve democracy and similar means of distributing power | Mar 06 02:34 |
| msb | Yes, that goes without saying. | Mar 06 02:34 |
| msb | So, parliamentary system and preferential voting. Also, no govt secrets, no "intelligence" -- spying and murdering -- agencies. | Mar 06 02:36 |
| MinceR | pretty much | Mar 06 02:37 |
| MinceR | though i'm not sure if intelligence agencies can be eliminated entirely as long as other states have them -- but they have to be kept on a much shorter leash than cia and nsa. | Mar 06 02:37 |
| MinceR | or gchq, etc. | Mar 06 02:37 |
| prurigro | distribution of power is the most key | Mar 06 02:38 |
| prurigro | my friend is convinced communism + mandatory weapons for everyone would be a good mix | Mar 06 02:38 |
| prurigro | I'm not sure it's so simple | Mar 06 02:39 |
| prurigro | but he's on the right track | Mar 06 02:39 |
| msb | If some other nation is secretly constructing dangerous weapons, then we should spy on them, but not keep the data we get secret. | Mar 06 02:39 |
| prurigro | msb: you're right, you should share it with the mossad like you currently do, that'll keep everyone safe :) | Mar 06 02:40 |
| msb | There has to be private propity up to at least $500,000, otherwise the govt is very intrusive. | Mar 06 02:40 |
| msb | No prurigro, share it publicly with everybody | Mar 06 02:41 |
| msb | 1 | Mar 06 02:41 |
| msb | ! | Mar 06 02:41 |
| MinceR | not only that, but you need counterintelligence if you don't want other states do the same spying and manipulation in your country. | Mar 06 02:41 |
| MinceR | (which your laws could control even less, of course.) | Mar 06 02:41 |
| msb | Nothing should be secret, so spies would not be a problem. | Mar 06 02:41 |
| MinceR | the state should keep (next to) no secrets, but people still need to keep secrets | Mar 06 02:42 |
| msb | Yes. | Mar 06 02:42 |
| msb | IOW, privacy. | Mar 06 02:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 06 02:42 |
| prurigro | MinceR: the fact that it was information on american politicians and judges that made it to the Mossad makes me think that exactly what you're talking about is happening | Mar 06 02:43 |
| MinceR | as far as i know, it's happening all the time | Mar 06 02:43 |
| msb | prurigro: Yes, that's one way Israel/Zionists gain great power over the US. | Mar 06 02:44 |
| msb | In fact, Mossad lures US politicians with prostitutes male and female, takes pictures, and blackmails them into obedience. | Mar 06 02:45 |
| prurigro | and everyone wonders why politicians are so interested in keeping them happy (outside new york politicians, who have their voters as an incensentive) | Mar 06 02:45 |
| msb | An insensitive incentive! You made a portmanteau word, a la Lewis Carroll. | Mar 06 02:46 |
| prurigro | whoops | Mar 06 02:46 |
| prurigro | that's pretty funny | Mar 06 02:46 |
| msb | No, good! | Mar 06 02:46 |
| prurigro | my broca's area must be a broken area | Mar 06 02:47 |
| msb | ! | Mar 06 02:47 |
| msb | So actually, people in government need to be allowed less privacy, so they can't be blackmailed. If that discourages people from wanting to be in government, all the better! | Mar 06 02:53 |
| msb | You want to control people, you get a webcam in your bedroom! | Mar 06 02:54 |
| prurigro | I think everyone should be allowed full privacy at home, and practically none at work | Mar 06 02:55 |
| prurigro | though on request only | Mar 06 02:55 |
| *prurigro works better without someone looking over his shoulder | Mar 06 02:55 | |
| msb | But govt works better *with* somebody looking... | Mar 06 02:55 |
| prurigro | well yeah | Mar 06 02:56 |
| msb | Because the biggest problem is govt corruption and excess power. | Mar 06 02:56 |
| prurigro | in canada you can request 99% of everything | Mar 06 02:56 |
| prurigro | only about 20% is made public until requested | Mar 06 02:56 |
| prurigro | and those are final numbers and whatnot | Mar 06 02:57 |
| prurigro | you can request all email by person X though | Mar 06 02:57 |
| prurigro | for example | Mar 06 02:57 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx3PJ97J57UDN1C | Mar 06 03:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: crApple refuses to unlock an iBad that a woman left to her son in her will. [ http://ur1.ca/groh9 ] | Mar 06 03:38 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26448158 | Mar 06 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | crApple has refused to unlock an iBad that a woman left to her son. | Mar 06 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | BBC News - Apple security rules leave inherited iPad useless, say sons [ http://ur1.ca/grohc ] | Mar 06 03:39 | |
| DaemonFC | The only reason it's possible to refuse to allow the rightful owner of the computer to use it is because of restrictions imposed by proprietary software. | Mar 06 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | If the computer ran freedom respecting software instead, then it wouldn't be a brick now. | Mar 06 03:39 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: when I sent my phone in for repairs, I thought great, I'll use my gf's old 3g for music at the gym until I get mine back | Mar 06 03:40 |
| prurigro | turns out all the apps that had previously worked ran versions that no longer installed on the max version of iOS it could run | Mar 06 03:40 |
| prurigro | reminded me of how my old mac mini was useless because current versions of firefox, chrome and safari wouldn't run on the most recent version of macos it allowed | Mar 06 03:41 |
| prurigro | (and while linux is possible on that- it's demented uefi is so non-standard that the only version of linux I could get on it was fedora, which it's shitty specs are too slow for) | Mar 06 03:42 |
| MinceR | i think you can slim fedora down | Mar 06 04:04 |
| prurigro | I was wondering how far you could go-- maybe disabling selinux would be a start | Mar 06 04:05 |
| prurigro | it mostly seemed to fail when the package manager would be running though | Mar 06 04:05 |
| prurigro | (and it couldn't play flash youtube at fullspeed, but I haven't tried again since 100% of videos can be html5, so maybe I should) | Mar 06 04:06 |
| prurigro | but yeah, package management slowdowns are why I figured I could blame the OS | Mar 06 04:06 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 06 04:06 |
| prurigro | are you using that html5 youtube extension on a side note? | Mar 06 04:07 |
| prurigro | you def should be if you aren't, and ever use youtube | Mar 06 04:07 |
| MinceR | i don't think i am now | Mar 06 04:07 |
| prurigro | (unless you disagree with google cloud products on some moral ground, which I'd understand) | Mar 06 04:07 |
| prurigro | word, let me link you | Mar 06 04:07 |
| MinceR | since some of youtube required Trash the last time i checked, i just let it use Trash | Mar 06 04:08 |
| prurigro | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/ <- no more trash required | Mar 06 04:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-addons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ] | Mar 06 04:08 | |
| MinceR | also, debian might be able to work on a mac mini: https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel | Mar 06 04:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.debian.org | MacMiniIntel - Debian Wiki | Mar 06 04:08 | |
| prurigro | I uninstalled Trash when I found this plugin | Mar 06 04:08 |
| MinceR | this guide might also work with crunchbang | Mar 06 04:08 |
| prurigro | ahh really eh- my mac mini is one of the earlier ones on that note | Mar 06 04:08 |
| prurigro | which had a special non-standard uefi | Mar 06 04:08 |
| prurigro | I wonder if tis accounts for that.. | Mar 06 04:09 |
| MinceR | it does have non-standard EFI | Mar 06 04:09 |
| MinceR | but afaik people made it work anyway | Mar 06 04:09 |
| prurigro | I suppose efi was just getting cracked by fedora when I was originally trying | Mar 06 04:10 |
| prurigro | maybe all the major distros woudl be able to now eh? | Mar 06 04:10 |
| prurigro | more than a year later | Mar 06 04:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 04:10 |
| prurigro | but yeah, that extension on the fly converts flv youtube videos to an html5 compatible format, then pulls in the youtube html5 player to play them-- it's really clever | Mar 06 04:12 |
| MinceR | does it work on videos that would use ads? | Mar 06 04:13 |
| prurigro | yeah, unfortunately you won't be able to view the ads | Mar 06 04:13 |
| prurigro | but those are primarily the only vids that aren't available in html5 already | Mar 06 04:14 |
| prurigro | (since ads require flash still afaik) | Mar 06 04:14 |
| prurigro | anyway, I uninstalled flash, and youtube has been great | Mar 06 04:14 |
| prurigro | only potential issue I've run into was all html5 videos having no sound (plugin or otherwise) until I added the following option to about:config and set it to false: media.use_cubeb | Mar 06 04:15 |
| prurigro | no idea what it does lol | Mar 06 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro: They have to do that, or else people would just use their old computer forever. | Mar 06 04:17 |
| MinceR | i don't want to see the ads, i just want to see the videos that would have them :> | Mar 06 04:17 |
| MinceR | since those videos require Trash | Mar 06 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | This computer is from 2008, and it still runs GNU/Linux just fine. | Mar 06 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | Windows hasn't gotten any smaller. | Mar 06 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeon_trusty&num=2 | Mar 06 04:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Radeon Gallium3D Performance Gets Close To Catalyst On Ubuntu 14.04 [ http://ur1.ca/groze ] | Mar 06 04:21 | |
| prurigro | MinceR: well you're in luck then ;) and yeah, I was more joking about the unfortunate part haha | Mar 06 04:24 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: I have desktop that's older than the mac mini, and it's like wayyyyy faster and still 100% operational- plays 1080p mkvs and anything else I throw at it | Mar 06 04:25 |
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| DaemonFC | heh, the federal government classifies my car as a gas guzzler... | Mar 06 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't meet the definition of "gas guzzler" in 1996. | Mar 06 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | The engine is an improvement over the old 5 liter carbonated V8 that Ford used to use. | Mar 06 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | That one was less powerful and only got about 11 miles per gallon combined city/highway. | Mar 06 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | Mine is the fuel injected 4.6 liter V8. | Mar 06 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | 17 mpg combined. | Mar 06 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | Still....Ouch. | Mar 06 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | I gave it a tune up a little while back. | Mar 06 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | The mileage came up a bit. | Mar 06 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has a "fuel injector cleaning service" for $20. | Mar 06 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what that is. Probably some guy pouring a $10 bottle of magic car potion into your tank... | Mar 06 04:40 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26448158 | Mar 06 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | BBC News - Apple security rules leave inherited iPad useless, say sons [ http://ur1.ca/grohc ] | Mar 06 04:43 | |
| DaemonFC | Apple turned this iPad into a brick. | Mar 06 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | I need to get change for the laundromat while I'm out today. :P | Mar 06 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | I can't use mom's washer until they fix that drain pipe. | Mar 06 04:46 |
| MinceR | "security" rules | Mar 06 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | Dave wanted an iPhone. | Mar 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | I convinced him to get an Android phone though. | Mar 06 04:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 06 04:53 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: convince him to get xprivacy and afwall too then, and to use the minimal BaNkS gapps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2012857 | Mar 06 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.xda-developers.com | [GApps][Standard/Minimal][4.4.2][2-27-2014] | Google Nexus 5 | xda-developers [ http://ur1.ca/grpe2 ] | Mar 06 04:55 | |
| prurigro | and to do his best to stick to using f-droid, and sync his contacts/calendar with a personal owncloud instance or just not sync his contacts/calendar | Mar 06 04:55 |
| prurigro | android can be awesome, but it starts out as bad as iOS sometimes, and even worse in a few cases | Mar 06 04:56 |
| MinceR | syncing to owncloud is relevant to my interests | Mar 06 04:56 |
| prurigro | MinceR: been doing it for quite some time- can I help you along in any way? | Mar 06 04:57 |
| MinceR | i wasn't aware it can be done at all, before this point. is there a howto or something? | Mar 06 04:57 |
| MinceR | it certainly sounds more attractive than just relying on GPE utilities. :> | Mar 06 04:57 |
| prurigro | MinceR: GPE? it's absolutely awesome- owncloud even got a plugin recently that adds firefox sync | Mar 06 04:58 |
| MinceR | firefox sync i was already mulling :) | Mar 06 04:58 |
| prurigro | haha | Mar 06 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | Gas is up to $3.75 right now. Ugh. | Mar 06 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | That means it would cost $75 to fill my tank from E to F. :P | Mar 06 04:59 |
| prurigro | MinceR: I'd tried to set it up myself a while back and had some issues, but the owncloud plugin is a couple of steps and then done | Mar 06 04:59 |
| MinceR | that must be a big tank :> | Mar 06 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | 20 gallons | Mar 06 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | They reduced the tank size on my mom's new car | Mar 06 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | she had an '03 Impala with a 17 gallon tank. | Mar 06 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | The new one only has a 14 gallon tank. | Mar 06 05:02 |
| MinceR | that or my tank is far from empty when the warning light comes on :> | Mar 06 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea why they did that. | Mar 06 05:02 |
| MinceR | i tend to fill 40 l to full and the tank is 60 l iirc | Mar 06 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The idiot light usually comes on when you have 2-3 gallons left. | Mar 06 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | The idea is that you should be able to get to a station before you run out. | Mar 06 05:02 |
| MinceR | well, i think the smaller tank is lighter, allowing for lower fuel consumption | Mar 06 05:02 |
| MinceR | especially if you fill it up completely every time. | Mar 06 05:03 |
| MinceR | but maybe that's not the point | Mar 06 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, 8.3 pounds per gallon | Mar 06 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | You lose about 2% of your gas mileage for every 100 pounds of weight on the car. | Mar 06 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | So, keeping mine at half or less would give me just slightly under 2% better gas mileage. | Mar 06 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | I might start doing that. | Mar 06 05:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | I filled up to F the other day and topped the tank because it was down to $3.11 and my phone started warning me about the price spike. | Mar 06 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | So it saved me a little over $6. :) | Mar 06 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | I like to top up before a price spike. Then I can usually wait until it goes back down before I have to buy more. | Mar 06 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | It spikes in Fort Wayne, and then I have about 24 hours before the price spike hits the town where I live. | Mar 06 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | If it's super expensive (like last year when it hit $4.25), I never fill up the entire tank. | Mar 06 05:06 |
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| DaemonFC | The EPA has a "low sulfur" rule coming up that will increase gas prices by 9 cents per gallon. Grrr... | Mar 06 05:09 |
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| DaemonFC | I read one comment where a guy said that station owners should refuse to sell gas to anyone with an Obama bumper sticker on their car. | Mar 06 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | Johnny, roll a ball of hash, and make sure it's the bomb, cause the devil's got the kind of stuff they smoked in Vietnam. | Mar 06 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | You'll get a million smackaroos in cash if you can cope, but if you can't, the devil gets your dope! | Mar 06 05:12 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/03/not-dead-after-all-microsoft-to-talk-directx-12-at-gdc/ | Mar 06 05:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Not dead after all: Microsoft to talk DirectX 12 at GDC | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/grq2c ] | Mar 06 05:40 | |
| Sosumi | that and nvidia sending me dx11 propaganda | Mar 06 05:40 |
| Sosumi | and about reserving my seat at some presentation involving nvidia stuff+dx11 | Mar 06 05:41 |
| Sosumi | and what will m$ do next? confine dx12 to winblows 8.2? | Mar 06 05:42 |
| Sosumi | and counting with the japanese launch | Mar 06 05:44 |
| Sosumi | ps4 is counting 6 million sells | Mar 06 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | "Porting DirectX 12 to Windows 7 and 8 would require significantly rearchitecting those operating systems, so we've limited it to 3% of our users and no developer will ever actually touch it until it is 5-6 years old." | Mar 06 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's what you can expect to hear. :) | Mar 06 05:57 |
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| Sosumi | and as mentioned before | Mar 06 06:34 |
| Sosumi | haven't seen a single xbone on sale here in portugal | Mar 06 06:35 |
| Sosumi | perhaps m$ has given up on its gaming division | Mar 06 06:35 |
| Sosumi | or what is left of it | Mar 06 06:35 |
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| DaemonFC | I opened up a package of tomatoes from ALDI, and they were rotting. | Mar 06 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'm going to take them back today and get my money back. | Mar 06 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | She left the computer to her son, which makes it her son's computer. | Mar 06 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | Since it runs Apple's proprietary software, it's useless now because Apple refuses to unlock it and it can't be made to run freedom respecting software like GNU/Linux instead, because Apple has stopped the owner from doing that too. | Mar 06 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | I hope he learns his lesson, since he's now the proud owner of a doorstop. | Mar 06 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | Besides, I don't think many people want freedom from porn. | Mar 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | About half the traffic on the internet is Netflix, and about the other half is porn sites. | Mar 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | But Mormons should remember to not leave their buddies masturbating on the battlefield! :) | Mar 06 07:37 |
| Sosumi | you can run gnu/linux on macs | Mar 06 07:48 |
| Sosumi | provided that it is not a core duo model | Mar 06 07:48 |
| Sosumi | since crapple kind of screwed voltage regulation in those models by implementing via software | Mar 06 07:49 |
| Sosumi | *it | Mar 06 07:49 |
| Sosumi | and the drivers are only for osx and winblows | Mar 06 07:49 |
| Sosumi | if it is a ppc model | Mar 06 07:50 |
| Sosumi | then there is ppc fedora and yellow dog linux | Mar 06 07:50 |
| Sosumi | so, hardly a doorstep | Mar 06 07:50 |
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| Sosumi | also crimea seems to want to join the russian federation | Mar 06 07:52 |
| Sosumi | and if the US starts imposing sanctions on russia | Mar 06 07:52 |
| Sosumi | or steps out of the line | Mar 06 07:52 |
| Sosumi | expect assets from US/EU entities to be seized | Mar 06 07:53 |
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| Sosumi | and probably for russia to dump the petro dollar | Mar 06 07:53 |
| Sosumi | entirely | Mar 06 07:54 |
| MinceR | 134902 < Sosumi> since crapple kind of screwed voltage regulation in those models by implementing via software | Mar 06 07:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 06 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | She left the computer to her son, which makes it her son's computer. | Mar 06 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | Since it runs Apple's proprietary software, it's useless now because Apple refuses to unlock it and it can't be made to run freedom respecting software like GNU/Linux instead, because Apple has stopped the owner from doing that too. | Mar 06 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | I hope he learns his lesson, since he's now the proud owner of a doorstop that probably cost $700-800. | Mar 06 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 06 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | If Apple continues to refuse to unlock the computer, the judge should also order Apple to either replace it with a new computer or to give him the price of a replacement. | Mar 06 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think he should ask for the cash so he can buy a Nexus 7, which has Android, but can also run at least Ubuntu, and maybe other versions of GNU/Linux. | Mar 06 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | Then he should order Apple to give him a copy of everything his mother paid for on the iTunes store, at no additional charge. Or a refund for everything he lost access to. I'd ask for a refund. | Mar 06 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | Then he should order Apple to pay the court costs and fair compensation for the man's time and trouble caused by having to take Apple to court. | Mar 06 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't believe there is porn on the iTunes store. They even absurdly rate web browsers (other than Safari, of course) as 18+ because they "could potentially be used to view pornography". Well, no ****, Sherlock! | Mar 06 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | Can Safari not be used to view porn? | Mar 06 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | Ironically, about five minutes after Steve Jobs declared that iPad users had freedom from porn, sites like "ipadporn" started popping up, streaming the porn as HTML 5 video that was compatible with iPad and other web browser and devices. | Mar 06 07:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/mar/02/poor- | Mar 06 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Thrown in jail for being poor: the booming for-profit probation industry | Money | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/grsbh ] | Mar 06 08:13 | |
| DaemonFC | I've never had so much as a speeding ticket. | Mar 06 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | My mom yells at me for doing 55 on the highway to save some gas when I'm not in a particular hurry. | Mar 06 08:13 |
| MinceR | i've never had speeding tickets, only parking fines | Mar 06 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I've had two parking tickets, but they were issued by campus cops when I was visiting someone. | Mar 06 08:14 |
| MinceR | (parking is managed in an utterly retarded and sleazy way in budapest) | Mar 06 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | So I just dropped a letter in the mail that said I wasn't a student. | Mar 06 08:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | They tried to get me for $55 each time, but there's nothing they can do because I wasn't a student. | Mar 06 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | They don't tell you that they can't do anything about it if you're not a student, but the truth is that they can't. | Mar 06 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose that if you do it again, they could have your car towed. | Mar 06 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have any dental insurance, so I go to the IPFW dental clinic to get my teeth cleaned. | Mar 06 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | That's a hell of a walk. The closest free parking for non-students is about two miles away. | Mar 06 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty pedantic about keeping my teeth cleaned. | Mar 06 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | I even got one of those expensive toothbrushes that does the whole polishing thing. | Mar 06 08:19 |
| MinceR | i use an electric toothbrush for that :> | Mar 06 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I stocked up on heads when they sent out some junk mail. | Mar 06 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | I dumpster dived the post office trash bin for more. :P | Mar 06 08:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | The coupon was $7 off. | Mar 06 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | They're like $20 for three heads. | Mar 06 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | That's obscene. | Mar 06 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: That reminds me of a bad joke. | Mar 06 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | A man cloned himself. One day, he came home from work early and caught the clone in bed with his wife. | Mar 06 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | So they got into a fight, and the man pushed the clone out of the window, to his death. | Mar 06 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | The cops charged him with making an obscene clone fall. | Mar 06 08:24 |
| MinceR | i don't get it. | Mar 06 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoonerism | Mar 06 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Spoonerism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Mar 06 08:25 | |
| MinceR | oh. | Mar 06 08:25 |
| MinceR | yes, it's bad. | Mar 06 08:26 |
| Sosumi | MinceR, yes | Mar 06 08:45 |
| Sosumi | core duo's voltage regulation was normally done through an external controller | Mar 06 08:46 |
| Sosumi | but crapple did via software | Mar 06 08:46 |
| Sosumi | *it | Mar 06 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'll just go inside the drugstore to pick up my prescription this time. | Mar 06 08:46 |
| Sosumi | so even running windows on those models without the bootcamp drivers | Mar 06 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | Last time I went, the lady that stares off into space and only serves one lane was working. | Mar 06 08:47 |
| Sosumi | you risk frying the cpu | Mar 06 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to honk my horn to get her attention. | Mar 06 08:47 |
| Sosumi | models after that had the voltage regulator built in the cpu | Mar 06 08:48 |
| msb | Are there HTML5-only websites with videos? Can you download the videos? | Mar 06 08:56 |
| msb | I'm confused about this whole thing. Watching videos on websites seems useless to me if you can't download and save them, because they can be removed from the web at any time. | Mar 06 08:58 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/crimea-may-or-may-not-be-part-russia-moment | Mar 06 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Crimea May (Or May Not) Be Part Of Russia As Of This Moment | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/grsxu ] | Mar 06 08:59 | |
| msb | What kind of video file do you get if you download a video from an HTML5 web page? | Mar 06 08:59 |
| Sosumi | at this moment | Mar 06 08:59 |
| Sosumi | russia 2; eurogarchs/US demagogues: 0 | Mar 06 09:00 |
| Sosumi | actually, eurogarchs: -1 | Mar 06 09:00 |
| Sosumi | because of the bid by his excelence "cabrão" Barroso in giving 11 billion to ukraine | Mar 06 09:01 |
| Sosumi | when everyone in the is under killer austerity | Mar 06 09:01 |
| Sosumi | *EU | Mar 06 09:01 |
| msb | Do the Rothschild banks get the profit from the austerity? | Mar 06 09:02 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Mar 06 09:02 |
| Sosumi | who do you think that holds the debt and buys treasury bonds and so on | Mar 06 09:03 |
| Sosumi | the big financial players through hedgefund groups and son on | Mar 06 09:03 |
| msb | And the Ukraine Nazis have now inflicted that on their country. | Mar 06 09:03 |
| Sosumi | no, actually what they did was excalate the crap that had been done by Yanoukovich | Mar 06 09:04 |
| Sosumi | and his predecessors | Mar 06 09:04 |
| msb | What crap? | Mar 06 09:05 |
| Sosumi | they came even to the point of yelling support for Umarov | Mar 06 09:05 |
| Sosumi | corruption, damning deals with both the EU and russia | Mar 06 09:05 |
| Sosumi | namely when it comes to gas transit | Mar 06 09:06 |
| msb | So what about HTML5 videos? Are they a part of all this? | Mar 06 09:06 |
| msb | Gas pipelines? | Mar 06 09:07 |
| Sosumi | yes, they go through ukraine | Mar 06 09:07 |
| Sosumi | from russia | Mar 06 09:07 |
| MinceR | with love | Mar 06 09:07 |
| msb | So a source of profit for Ukraine. | Mar 06 09:07 |
| Sosumi | :) | Mar 06 09:07 |
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| msb | And are there HTML5 videos of these pipelines? Or of anything? | Mar 06 09:09 |
| msb | Where would I find an HTML5 web page so I can try downloading its video(s)? | Mar 06 09:12 |
| Sosumi | it depends on what HTML5 means | Mar 06 09:13 |
| Sosumi | maybe Gazpron, exports Hot Transexual Males Level 5 to europe | Mar 06 09:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 06 09:14 |
| Sosumi | or whatever | Mar 06 09:15 |
| msb | Via Ukraine, right? | Mar 06 09:15 |
| Sosumi | yep | Mar 06 09:15 |
| msb | I knew there was a connection. | Mar 06 09:15 |
| Sosumi | but that is not the full deal | Mar 06 09:16 |
| msb | techrights is actually the decision forum for the highest level of world domination -- the eye in the pyramid! | Mar 06 09:17 |
| Sosumi | in fact, | Mar 06 09:17 |
| Sosumi | there's a japan connection | Mar 06 09:17 |
| Sosumi | and a tel aviv connection | Mar 06 09:18 |
| msb | World control through anime'? | Mar 06 09:18 |
| Sosumi | since it appears gazpron also has rights there | Mar 06 09:18 |
| Sosumi | in the gay capital of the world | Mar 06 09:18 |
| Sosumi | no! | Mar 06 09:18 |
| msb | San Francisco? | Mar 06 09:18 |
| Sosumi | ít's a plot to turn western males into sissies | Mar 06 09:19 |
| Sosumi | so that when the commmies come out of hiding | Mar 06 09:19 |
| Sosumi | there wont be much left to deter the advancement of the new red army | Mar 06 09:19 |
| Sosumi | see? | Mar 06 09:19 |
| Sosumi | not even alex jones and his goon squad could have with something as good as this conjecture | Mar 06 09:20 |
| Sosumi | *come | Mar 06 09:20 |
| msb | Right! The length of the word "commmmmies" indicates the size of their schlongs. | Mar 06 09:20 |
| Sosumi | and why should techrights be the eye in the pyramid | Mar 06 09:22 |
| Sosumi | why can't it be the eye above the eye in the pyramid? | Mar 06 09:22 |
| Sosumi | if we're talking about power, manipulation and deception | Mar 06 09:23 |
| msb | Damn, you are all ETs! I knew it! | Mar 06 09:23 |
| Sosumi | why not be at the top of everything? | Mar 06 09:23 |
| MinceR | the "I" of the storm! | Mar 06 09:23 |
| Sosumi | better stop the trolling | Mar 06 09:23 |
| msb | You are not abducting me for an anal probe! No way! | Mar 06 09:24 |
| Sosumi | or we'll give a bad impression to DrPizza | Mar 06 09:24 |
| msb | DrPizza *is* a bad impression. | Mar 06 09:24 |
| Sosumi | LOL | Mar 06 09:24 |
| Sosumi | well, I was going to mock him in that sort of way | Mar 06 09:25 |
| Sosumi | but nvm that now | Mar 06 09:25 |
| MinceR | (flash) (audio) http://jonesrock.ytmnd.com/ | Mar 06 09:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jonesrock.ytmnd.com | YTMND - Indiana Jones Can't Stop the Rock | Mar 06 09:25 | |
| MinceR | i don't care what impression DrPizza gets. | Mar 06 09:25 |
| msb | I'm pretty sure some MS-thug from COLA was using that nick a couple years ago. | Mar 06 09:27 |
| MinceR | he's that m$-thug, isn't he? | Mar 06 09:27 |
| Sosumi | COLA? | Mar 06 09:27 |
| Sosumi | Colloquy of Large Animals? | Mar 06 09:28 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: comp.os.linux.advocacy | Mar 06 09:28 |
| Sosumi | usenet group? | Mar 06 09:28 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 06 09:28 |
| msb | Perhaps "flatfish". | Mar 06 09:29 |
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| msb | Been lying about Linux in COLA for 14 years, saying it destroyed his computer, etc. | Mar 06 09:31 |
| msb | He used to forge articles in my name advocating unsanitary gay activities. He's some kind of fundie christian. | Mar 06 09:34 |
| msb | Used hundreds of pseudonyms. People used to keep lists of them. | Mar 06 09:34 |
| msb | Real name Gary Stewart. | Mar 06 09:40 |
| msb | Lived in New York City. Some kind of musician. Ring any bells with Dr Pizza? | Mar 06 09:41 |
| MinceR | dunno. what i seem to remember is that DrPizza is a m$/DRM troll from arse technica. | Mar 06 09:42 |
| msb | The m$/DRM part certainly fits. | Mar 06 09:43 |
| MinceR | or swpat | Mar 06 09:43 |
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| cubezzz | sounds like a nutbar to me | Mar 06 10:24 |
| cubezzz | anyways remember 1995? | Mar 06 10:27 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/freebsd-1995.jpeg | Mar 06 10:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 06 10:28 |
| Sosumi | made in usa | Mar 06 10:38 |
| Sosumi | NATO's Rasmoussen and Yatsenyuk in press conference togetherm | Mar 06 10:41 |
| Sosumi | just now | Mar 06 10:41 |
| Sosumi | yatsenyuk = maidan skin head | Mar 06 10:42 |
| Sosumi | canada announced sanctions against russia | Mar 06 10:44 |
| Sosumi | watch those canadian assets going all the way tot he pocket of the russian state | Mar 06 10:44 |
| Sosumi | fun fun | Mar 06 10:45 |
| Sosumi | all I can say is that this has been an enjoyable weak | Mar 06 10:45 |
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| MinceR | i thought yatsenyuk was one of the more moderate protesters :> | Mar 06 10:49 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/ukraine-acting-president-loses-it-over-crime-against-nation-crimea-referendum | Mar 06 12:16 |
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| Sosumi | lulz | Mar 06 12:16 |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/441611450092896256 | Mar 06 12:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Totally Legal Computer http://t.co/YAJfaJ46ex "The OS is the core of your computing experience" #gnu #linux | Mar 06 12:26 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Between the NSA and Patriot Act, is data privacy extinct? http://t.co/n1FCqYzwj9 #nsa is against the law. Use the law. | Mar 06 12:44 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Terrolism and journarism http://t.co/8Er8YjvKwe how two concepts get mixed up | Mar 06 12:45 | |
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| Sosumi | or doesn't :) | Mar 06 12:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Mark Udall: ‘CIA Tried to Intimidate the Intelligence Committee’ http://t.co/gVGmqXMwN0 domestic enemy: private unaccountable agency | Mar 06 12:54 | |
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| jukee | hi! found this rasberry thing. might be interesting. http://www.xpl0.org/rpi/index.html | Mar 06 15:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Video Acceleration Takes The Backseat On Chrome | Mar 07 03:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | For Linux http://t.co/pv49FQFCXY | Mar 07 03:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs2rq | Mar 07 03:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Our Assignment http://t.co/PEDregxFQm | Mar 07 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs2rr | Mar 07 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux Setup - Graham Morrison, Linux Voice | Mar 07 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EmNynA3cRn | Mar 07 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs2ru | Mar 07 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan | Mar 07 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | & Syria can’t contribute to US based open | Mar 07 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | source projects? http://t.co/veJHXRRbe3 | Mar 07 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs2rx | Mar 07 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 21 Being Planned For Mid-October Release | Mar 07 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/SRWVyCCAhP | Mar 07 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Video Acceleration Takes The Backseat On Chrome For Linux | Tux Machines | Mar 07 03:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs2s0 | Mar 07 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Our Assignment | Tux Machines | Mar 07 03:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux Setup - Graham Morrison, Linux Voice | Tux Machines | Mar 07 03:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan & Syria can’t contribute to US based open source projects? | Tux Machines | Mar 07 03:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 21 Being Planned For Mid-October Release | Tux Machines | Mar 07 03:04 | |
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| msb_ | "Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan.." -- Don't ask, don't tell is a good solution. It would be a shame for World Community Open Source to be inhibited by fascist US/EU/Israel/Bankster domination. | Mar 07 06:34 |
| msb_ | Looks like the netsplit is healed and everybody's back -- great! | Mar 07 06:34 |
| MinceR | i doubt that developers from Cuba or North Korea can even get their code abroad | Mar 07 06:49 |
| MinceR | not sure about the others | Mar 07 06:49 |
| MinceR | as for RH, maybe they need a subsidiary in another country to get around stupid US laws | Mar 07 06:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Running Tux Machines http://t.co/CSLdI5fDfs | Mar 07 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs4sw | Mar 07 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Major new version of free Photoshop replacement | Mar 07 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Krita released for Linux and Windows | Mar 07 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RbS0ieISyx | Mar 07 07:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines pCell is only as good as the Linux it runs on | Mar 07 07:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WvKHjN4m3M | Mar 07 07:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Running Tux Machines | Tux Machines | Mar 07 07:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux cloud world's best kept secret | Mar 07 07:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | DigitalOcean just bagged $37m | Mar 07 07:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HnyNcgpmKn | Mar 07 07:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Major new version of free Photoshop replacement Krita released for Linux and Windows | Tux Machines | Mar 07 07:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | pCell is only as good as the Linux it runs on | Tux Machines | Mar 07 07:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux cloud world's best kept secret DigitalOcean just bagged $37m | Tux Machines | Mar 07 07:07 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm glad I topped off my tank at $3.48. | Mar 07 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | My phone just buzzed again. It's going up to $3.96 in Fort Wayne. | Mar 07 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 07:39 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 07 07:55 |
| Sosumi | KSA just designated the Muslem Brotherhood as a terrorist organization | Mar 07 07:56 |
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| Sosumi | what about the KSA royals? aren't they one of the financial backbones of terrorism | Mar 07 07:57 |
| Sosumi | of which at the time of the Libyan incursion and the egyptian unrest | Mar 07 07:59 |
| MinceR | http://ur1.ca/gs4sn | Mar 07 07:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ioerror: I really encourage everyone to read #Snowden's testimony to the #European #Parliament: http://t.co/Yf4SCJDeoI | Mar 07 07:59 | |
| Sosumi | they were supporting the bros from the Muslem Brotherhood | Mar 07 07:59 |
| Sosumi | it seems to me thx to the failure to actually generate proper results | Mar 07 08:00 |
| Sosumi | that the love affair has been termianted | Mar 07 08:00 |
| Sosumi | the europarl is a just a bunch of empty suits who all they do is found creative ways to insult each other | Mar 07 08:01 |
| Sosumi | *find | Mar 07 08:01 |
| Sosumi | the real power is in the hands of the commission | Mar 07 08:02 |
| Sosumi | *cough* unelected commission | Mar 07 08:02 |
| MinceR | that's not the point of my link, though :> | Mar 07 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_rvt_np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx6FW6TQI1X6KW#CustomerDiscussionsNew | Mar 07 08:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Should we bring back a national maximum speed limit of 55 MPH? [ http://ur1.ca/gs55m ] | Mar 07 08:04 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that there have been occasional efforts, when gas prices are moving up, to revive the national 55 MPH speed limit. | Mar 07 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | According to everything I've read, 55 MPH is very effective as a gas saving device. | Mar 07 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/26/autos/slow_down_save_gas/ | Mar 07 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com | Speeding wastes gas - Mar. 27, 2008 [ http://ur1.ca/gs55o ] | Mar 07 08:04 | |
| DaemonFC | "In a typical family sedan, every 10 miles per hour you drive over 60 is like the price of gasoline going up about 54 cents a gallon. That figure will be even higher for less fuel-efficient vehicles that go fewer miles on a gallon to start with." | Mar 07 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | I used to commute about 30 miles each way to work and back. I limited my speed to 55 MPH and turned the speed control on. | Mar 07 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't make other drivers very happy, but it saved me a lot of money. | Mar 07 08:04 |
| Sosumi | and it is pointless, the present EU acts and well, is, a satellite of the anglo-american hegemony | Mar 07 08:04 |
| MinceR | apparently the membership of the commission sort of depends on elected people, though :> | Mar 07 08:04 |
| Sosumi | I didn't vote barroso in | Mar 07 08:05 |
| Sosumi | nor the baroness ashton | Mar 07 08:05 |
| Sosumi | nor the gullon von rumpoy | Mar 07 08:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, von rompuy is unelected | Mar 07 08:05 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_commission#Appointment | Mar 07 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | European Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gs56c ] | Mar 07 08:06 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | The tickets issued by the Indiana State Police used to say "Slow down. 55 saves lives and gas.". | Mar 07 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know if they still say that or not, but it is true. At 55, you're definitely not going to get any tickets, either. | Mar 07 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | The last time I saw a speeding ticket was back in the 90s, when my mom got one. I've never had one. I've been driving for 14 years. | Mar 07 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | In the time I've been driving, mom has probably paid the Indiana State Police $500-600. She almost had to go to defensive driving, but a few points fell off her license just in time to get a new ticket. | Mar 07 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | She had her license revoked once, but not for speeding, and they didn't even tell her. So, she drove a year on a revoked license and then got this thing in the mail that said "You are eligible to have your license reinstated.". | Mar 07 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | It turned out that the new (at the time) state law said that if you couldn't prove you had insurance within 30 days of being pulled over for any infraction, they automatically revoked your license. She didn't have her insurance card, and the cop said "Don't worry about it.". | Mar 07 08:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu, | Mar 07 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | compared and contrasted http://t.co/4RMByYKoOp | Mar 07 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs5c3 | Mar 07 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu, compared and contrasted | Tux Machines | Mar 07 08:29 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | My boyfriend just made slightly over the income line to qualify for the Marketplace. | Mar 07 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | I told him if I was a tipped worker in a red state (like Indiana), and made just short of that, that I'd report slightly more tips than I got and pay a little bit more in taxes, but it will push you into the qualification bracket for the Marketplace, where you can get a deep discount on private health insurance plans. | Mar 07 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | Since Indiana isn't expanding Medicaid, it would get you out of the coverage gap. You'll pay a few dollars more in taxes, but you'll get it all back when you get that $250-300 a month affordability credit. | Mar 07 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | That's how perverse this law actually is in red states. It forces some people to lie and claim more income than they actually made if they want health insurance. | Mar 07 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | Hell, tell 'em you mowed lawns and shoveled snow for cash and would like to declare that as taxable income, and use that to get yourself into the Marketplace.... | Mar 07 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: At least I got my mom's weasel gene. | Mar 07 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | It's probably why I'm still alive. | Mar 07 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2008/05/22/poll-can-you-drive-55-should-we-bring-the-national-speed-limit-back/ | Mar 07 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | "After Congress repealed the National Maximum Speed Law and 33 states raised their speed limits, the Cato Institute said traffic deaths dropped to a record low." | Mar 07 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | Sounds like one of those "Number of Pirates compared to rate of global warming." comparisons. | Mar 07 08:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consumerist.com | Poll: Can You Drive 55? Should We Bring The National Speed Limit Back? – Consumerist [ http://ur1.ca/gs5ge ] | Mar 07 08:46 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't suppose it has anything to do with new government-mandated safety features that came into law since then? | Mar 07 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | "But the American Heritage Foundation claims 12 years of 55 mph speed limits cut fuel consumption by just 1 percent." | Mar 07 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | That's because people widely ignored it because states set the penalty too low. New Mexico actually set up a fine of $5 for going above 55 and below 65. The fine was so low that it wasn't even worth the cop's time and trouble to pull you over, so it basically never happened. | Mar 07 08:46 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: As we argued last year, for those who seek a cutting-edge, secure, community-driven distribution that is not Debian “unstable”, Arch is definitely an option. One can think of Manjaro, Chakra etc. as the Knoppix/Ubuntu of Debian. | Mar 07 08:52 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: actually, arch is MORE bleeding edge than Sid | Mar 07 08:52 |
| XFaCE | which is awesome | Mar 07 08:53 |
| MinceR | "if i want cutting edge, i'll buy a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i'll use it." | Mar 07 08:59 |
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| DaemonFC | LDVZ says: | Mar 07 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | All too true, it's sad that Americans must down-play or up-play their circumstances to just get the help that the majority so clearly needs. I live in Oregon where the adoption of the ACA was never in doubt, but for these so-called Right-to-work states, it is corporate capital that decides policy. These states are so beholden to corporate interests that they are willing to condemn their poorer residents to yet another century of no health care. I | Mar 07 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | consider myself an unabashed Capitalist, although, I believe there are certain realms which are best dealt with by state regulation. The free-market Capitalists have had their go, and in their wake they have left vast pockets of misery across America. It's clear that the market does not "fix all." We are going to have to continue to fight for what is right in this country if we are to beat these money worshiping, heartless venture Capitalists. | Mar 07 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | There is no compromise with them, they want it all and if not they are willing to sink the ship while trying. They don't pledge allegiance to this country or its people, they pledge allegiance to capital. | Mar 07 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | Exactly. Never in my life did I think that anyone would ever get ahead by lying on their taxes and saying they made more money. But, thanks to Republican roadblocks to Medicaid expansion, that is indeed the case. | Mar 07 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | I can't exactly find a moral reason not to do that. It's a lesser evil than ending up with no health insurance at all. | Mar 07 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | It's wrong, it's stupid, and nobody should have to do it, but it's their rules, and you just have to suffer under them. | Mar 07 09:01 |
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| satipera | @schestowitz hi roy, i have just read your piece in tux machines about running tux machines. i wondered what was the story behind you two leading you to be running tux machines | Mar 07 10:21 |
| Sosumi | ECB's Draghi just now | Mar 07 11:07 |
| Sosumi | euro's island of stability | Mar 07 11:07 |
| *Sosumi wants to puke | Mar 07 11:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/2CvSLNd3nn | Mar 07 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6v6 | Mar 07 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Replacing KDE4 with Xfce http://t.co/eE6yWq6CFK | Mar 07 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6v8 | Mar 07 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ThoughtWorks Open Sources Go, a CD Tool | Mar 07 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/hDXGaUFRBS | Mar 07 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6va | Mar 07 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Do users really need Windows applications in | Mar 07 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chrome OS? http://t.co/Gc03I1Y5Fr | Mar 07 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs6vb | Mar 07 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Mar 07 11:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Replacing KDE4 with Xfce | Tux Machines | Mar 07 11:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ThoughtWorks Open Sources Go, a CD Tool | Tux Machines | Mar 07 11:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Do users really need Windows applications in Chrome OS? | Tux Machines | Mar 07 11:57 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | Bill Gates said it himself though. | Mar 07 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight." | Mar 07 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | At this point, Microsoft has built something with the weight and fuel requirements of a 787, and the standard features of a Cessna. | Mar 07 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | I can just imagine Dave Cutler's NT in there somewhere under that mess pleading...."Help meeeee! Help meeeeeee!". | Mar 07 12:12 |
| MinceR | more like "kill meeeee...." | Mar 07 12:17 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ron+hovsepian&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wwIaU8GDDYWqhAecl4GYBw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=932&bih=1100 | Mar 07 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.co.uk | ron hovsepian - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/gs72n ] | Mar 07 12:34 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Mar 07 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | Bank robbery - What happens when you go to talk to a bank about a loan and they rob you. | Mar 07 12:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android woes could be an opportunity for Ubuntu | Mar 07 12:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones http://t.co/mzQXqBSiDH | Mar 07 12:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs73d | Mar 07 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android woes could be an opportunity for Ubuntu smartphones | Tux Machines | Mar 07 12:38 | |
| Sosumi | cuda 6 RC now officially supported on centos | Mar 07 12:38 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: Roy, thanks for mentioning this article: "Replacing KDE4 with Xfce". It's one of a series of articles (which it links to) for people unhappy with KDE4 (aka The Giant Behemoth), and even mentions Trinity Desktop. I will post the URLs to Trinity IRC and lists. | Mar 07 13:00 |
| msb_ | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/199397/ | Mar 07 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: Replacing KDE4 with Xfce [ http://ur1.ca/gs798 ] | Mar 07 13:01 | |
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| schestowitz__ | msb_: cool | Mar 07 13:39 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, I know you and cubelog use kde3 | Mar 07 13:39 |
| msb_ | For the wacky among ye, note that The Giant Behemoth (1959) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052611/combined is well-seeded in BT, and also available in Usenet. | Mar 07 13:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Giant Behemoth (1959) [ http://ur1.ca/gs7hm ] | Mar 07 13:40 | |
| msb_ | in glorious black and white. | Mar 07 13:40 |
| msb_ | schestowitz__: And I'll switch to Trinity if KDE3 disappears entirely. | Mar 07 13:41 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/GMagnaCarta/status/442006998578888704 | Mar 07 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GMagnaCarta: @schestowitz THIS surveillance is wholly acceptable. Can we support them? #globalmagnacarta http://t.co/aMbDnEt605 | Mar 07 13:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aspinallfoundation.org | Celebrating 30 Years of Conservation | The Aspinall Foundation | Mar 07 13:43 | |
| msb_ | and XFaCE (whom I haven't seen for a while) uses xfce | Mar 07 13:45 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah | Mar 07 13:46 |
| schestowitz__ | [15:22] <satipera> @schestowitz hi roy, i have just read your piece in tux machines about running tux machines. i wondered what was the story behind you two leading you to be running tux machines | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz__ | Hi satipera | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz__ | Susan put it on sale | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz__ | In 2013 | Mar 07 13:48 |
| msb_ | I do hope the KDE4 apps continue to work under KDE3, having just found that the System Monitor can show me 3 CPU and 1 mobo temperature reading from my hardware sensors. | Mar 07 13:49 |
| satipera | @schestowitz i see, thanks, another site i know i can trust :) | Mar 07 13:57 |
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| MinceR | XFaCE is still here :> | Mar 07 14:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines If Beast Died Tomorrow, Chromebook 2 Could Be | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Its Replacement http://t.co/z2KOY04rvR | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q0 | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 8 1401 Android tablet launched at $170 | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Wsa5AHx4bg | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q1 | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Attack of the 64-bit Octa-core: A Roundup of | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Newly Announced Mobile Processors | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/BgNHn0YCiT | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q4 | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AllCast adds DLNA support | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/me8coiaoYx | Mar 07 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q5 | Mar 07 14:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | If Beast Died Tomorrow, Chromebook 2 Could Be Its Replacement | Tux Machines | Mar 07 14:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @luqoxoa @tuxmachines http://t.co/qBlaJBFZlm #Exbhoc | Mar 07 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs7q9 | Mar 07 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP 8 1401 Android tablet launched at $170 | Tux Machines | Mar 07 14:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Attack of the 64-bit Octa-core: A Roundup of Newly Announced Mobile Processors | Tux Machines | Mar 07 14:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AllCast adds DLNA support | Tux Machines | Mar 07 14:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-301 redirect without Location header | Mar 07 14:13 | |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/what-student-loans-are-really-used-depressing-case-studies | Mar 07 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | What Student Loans Are Really Used For: The Depressing Case Studies | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gs8a9 ] | Mar 07 15:26 | |
| Sosumi | a part of me died after reading that article | Mar 07 15:26 |
| Sosumi | $50000 in student loan debt | Mar 07 15:27 |
| Sosumi | in order to stock up the fridge and the stay at home mother | Mar 07 15:27 |
| Sosumi | taking all the courses she can | Mar 07 15:27 |
| Sosumi | on the other hand, maybe I should go the US and become a perpetual student | Mar 07 15:29 |
| Sosumi | living on the chump change of the student loan while on the side keep doing what I am doing now | Mar 07 15:30 |
| Sosumi | ofc I am joking | Mar 07 15:31 |
| Sosumi | although I admit that I've considering in studying biology | Mar 07 15:31 |
| Sosumi | after I'm done with physics | Mar 07 15:31 |
| Sosumi | but university is inexpensive in portugal | Mar 07 15:32 |
| Sosumi | bachelor+master is roughly 6000€ | Mar 07 15:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Wow, so many Novell execs landed in the same company https://twitter.com/ianrbruce | Mar 07 15:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com | Ian Bruce (ianrbruce) on Twitter | Mar 07 15:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | Hovsepian, Bruce... | Mar 07 15:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Registration opens for Document Freedom Day | Mar 07 16:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2014 http://t.co/hfrN5DbTu0 | Mar 07 16:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs8lz | Mar 07 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Registration opens for Document Freedom Day 2014 | Tux Machines | Mar 07 16:16 | |
| Sosumi | http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm | Mar 07 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.csail.mit.edu | How To Make A Mint: The Cryptography of Anonymous Electronic Cash [ http://ur1.ca/gs8vt ] | Mar 07 16:57 | |
| Sosumi | from 1996 | Mar 07 16:58 |
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| schestowitz__ | [19:08] <MinceR> XFaCE is still here :> | Mar 07 17:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Less active than he was some years ago | Mar 07 17:22 |
| schestowitz__ | [20:26] <Sosumi> a part of me died after reading that article | Mar 07 17:22 |
| schestowitz__ | !google michael moore student loan boot neck | Mar 07 17:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Michael Moore on Student Debt: 'The Boot on Your Neck' - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DM16NjL6Ja2Q | Mar 07 17:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Student Debt Video Playlist | Student Body of America Association | http://www.studentbodyofamerica.org/video-playlists/student-debt | Mar 07 17:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Video Playlists | Student Body of America Association | http://www.studentbodyofamerica.org/video-playlists | Mar 07 17:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Michael Moore: Here Comes Trouble - FORA.tv | http://fora.tv/2011/10/02/Michael_Moore_Here_Comes_Trouble | Mar 07 17:23 |
| schestowitz__ | see [1] | Mar 07 17:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Lessig still uses apple garbage http://www.lessig.org/2014/03/help-with-a-mail-client-for-the-increasingly-unfriendly-os-x-platform/ | Mar 07 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lessig.org | Help with a Mail client (for the increasingly unfriendly OS X platform)? | Lessig [ http://ur1.ca/grhl7 ] | Mar 07 17:24 | |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2014/mar/1/euro-candidate-vote-2014/ | Mar 07 17:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "This election will be hard, and no doubt dominated by the negative UKIP agenda. We are offering something really different - a vision for a Britain really engaged internationally, but pushing for the fundamental change that Europe needs on all levels to make it really work. To make it truly democratic and a politics of the people." | Mar 07 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pirateparty.org.uk | Euro Candidate Vote 2014 - Pirate Party UK [ http://ur1.ca/gs91l ] | Mar 07 17:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First beta of KDE Applications 4.13 is out | Mar 07 18:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RkAtBAuL03 | Mar 07 18:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gs9c9 | Mar 07 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First beta of KDE Applications 4.13 is out | Tux Machines | Mar 07 18:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1JMMWMOBGAX38 | Mar 07 19:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The GOP had a minority outreach session at CPAC. [ http://ur1.ca/gs9tg ] | Mar 07 19:34 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/06/1282678/-The-GOP-s-problem-with-non-white-voters-in-one-awesome-picture | Mar 07 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | If you ever need to clear the room at a GOP convention in the future, you know exactly what to do, I guess. LOL | Mar 07 19:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | The GOP's problem with non-white voters, in one awesome picture [ http://ur1.ca/gs9tj ] | Mar 07 19:34 | |
| DaemonFC | It probably works better than screaming "Fire!". | Mar 07 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | Just scream "black people!" and the entire convention will go running out the fire exits. | Mar 07 19:34 |
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| MinceR | gn | Mar 07 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/03/07/new-android-rat-infects-google-play-apps-turning-phones-into-spyware-zombies | Mar 07 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com | New Android "RAT" infects Google Play apps, turning phones into spyware zombies [ http://ur1.ca/gsb6a ] | Mar 07 22:36 | |
| DaemonFC | Do we want to respond to this crap? | Mar 07 22:36 |
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| prurigro | 99% of android phones are already spyware zombies | Mar 07 23:11 |
| prurigro | I guess what people consider spyware these days depends which companies are getting access to your info | Mar 07 23:12 |
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| stuufff | Currently shadow boxing | Mar 08 01:09 |
| stuufff | saving the planet | Mar 08 01:09 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/vfdal/status/442068894845386752 | Mar 08 01:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@vfdal: @schestowitz Comcast appears to have forbidden ANY MSNBC on-air discussion. Alex Wagner failed to ask Julian Assange about it today. | Mar 08 01:52 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3724039 | Mar 08 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Why XFCE beats KD... | Mar 08 01:55 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Cinnamon" | Mar 08 01:55 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3730869 | Mar 08 01:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Do users really n... | Mar 08 01:57 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Short answer: No Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo.' | Mar 08 01:57 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3731736 | Mar 08 01:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Corporate media i... | Mar 08 01:57 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Gee. Thanks Comflix." | Mar 08 01:58 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3731765 | Mar 08 01:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Passing enterpris... | Mar 08 01:59 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Sounds like Windows users. As far as privacy goes, they probably did better sending the laptop by snail mail. Sending it by email or their vpn would have left copies all over the place." | Mar 08 01:59 |
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| schestowitz__ | http://www.advogato.org/article/1076.html | Mar 08 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.advogato.org | Advogato: Universal HealthCare - is it possible? [ http://ur1.ca/gsdmc ] | Mar 08 02:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | http://fossforce.com/2014/03/ubuntu-keeps-mysql-xp-wont-go-away/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-keeps-mysql-xp-wont-go-away | Mar 08 02:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Ubuntu Keeps MySQL, Why XP Won't Go Away & More… - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/gsdmj ] | Mar 08 02:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Video of the Week: Yocto Project Saves | Mar 08 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Embedded Linux Devs from Frankenstein OS | Mar 08 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ktWrbAmNsh | Mar 08 02:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Early Look at How Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty Is | Mar 08 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shaping Up http://t.co/MuuhSJisGU | Mar 08 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/gsduz | Mar 08 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) 201403 review | Mar 08 02:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Open-Source Performance Over Three | Mar 08 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Years, Compared To Legacy Catalyst | Mar 08 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tnCN5erXbO | Mar 08 02:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Distros Compared, Free Ed, and Making Money | Mar 08 02:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Video of the Week: Yocto Project Saves Embedded Linux Devs from Frankenstein OS | Tux Machines | Mar 08 02:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Early Look at How Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty Is Shaping Up | Tux Machines | Mar 08 02:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) 201403 review | Tux Machines | Mar 08 02:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon Open-Source Performance Over Three Years, Compared To Legacy Catalyst | Tux Machines | Mar 08 02:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distros Compared, Free Ed, and Making Money | Tux Machines | Mar 08 02:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @VonnieSans6616 @tuxmachines Mix the particular Solutions to | Mar 08 02:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Generate income online .www.f4we.com/finance | Mar 08 02:56 |
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| schestowitz__ | twitter spam issues | Mar 08 03:44 |
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| msb_ | That article "Why XFCE beats KDE" is crap for newbies. First thing it talks about is installing a "theme", and spends a lot of space on that. The best "theme" is a neutral gray that doesn't distract the eye. If you want to see a picture, display one in a window. This is elementary psychology. Then the article doesn't even mention multiple named desktops that are very quick and easy to switch between, allowing uncluttered setups for | Mar 08 06:13 |
| msb_ | various activities and projects. That's one of KDE3 and XFCE's most valuable features, giving you in effect 20 computers instead of one. At least for KDE3 and Trinity; I don't know how it works with XFCE, and KDE4 has totally ruined it by making the desktop names unreadable in the selector applet. | Mar 08 06:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Simplicity Linux 14.1 - A fresh take on Puppy | Mar 08 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux http://t.co/baYubj11v0 | Mar 08 08:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Patching Gets Dynamic | Tux Machines | Mar 08 08:30 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Announcement | Tux Machines | Mar 08 09:19 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Mar 08 09:44 |
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| msb_ | http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/05/220125/fcc-questions-state-laws-that.html | Mar 08 13:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcclatchydc.com | WASHINGTON: FCC questions state laws that block cities from building their own broadband network | Economy | McClatchy DC [ http://ur1.ca/gsmve ] | Mar 08 13:26 | |
| msb_ | Very interesting and thorough article there! | Mar 08 13:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to get a side launcher like Ubuntu on your | Mar 08 13:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Someone noticed me posting on their forum and changed my member status to "Apple Basher". I told them, "thank you". | Mar 08 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | Someone was talking to me about when I worked at Walmart. | Mar 08 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | They reminded me of this annoying co-manager we had. They said "Didn't you just want to walk up and kick her in the cunt?". | Mar 08 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | I said, "Well, she did brag about buying her son a new Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. About a week later, she came in, in a bad mood, and said her son was trying to drag race someone, peeled out from a stop sign, and ran the car into a tree. The insurance company ended up totaling the car. Isn't is just wonderful how some days turn out?" | Mar 08 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | about a minute ago · Edited | Mar 08 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, whether there's spyware for iThings or not depends on that which we call spyware. | Mar 08 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Most apps in Apple and Google's store are designed to mine your personal data and spy on you. The NSA even worked with Apple to install backdoors into iPhones and other Apple products at the hardware level. | Mar 08 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Both stores contain apps from car insurance companies that monitor your phone's GPS. Facebook's app is designed to copy your phone's SMS messages and send them to Facebook, which uses the data for advertising and god only knows what else. | Mar 08 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | In general, I never install an app on my phone on my Android phone if there's a way to do the same thing on a web page through my Mozilla Firefox web browser. | Mar 08 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | You'd be surprised at how many apps are just a portal to a website that gives some untrustworthy company additional powers over your phone, which they will use to steal your personal data. | Mar 08 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | The iPhone also has an additional malicious feature which lets every store you enter track your movements and send you alerts that you might not want. | Mar 08 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | There are a few grocery stores that wait until you get close to the Gillette shaving razors and send you a coupon for them. So, maybe you don't care if they know you like Gillette shaving razors, but they effectively know everything else too. How long you spend in the frozen food aisle next to the pizzas. If you're buying condoms and lube from the "personal aisle", etc. Maybe they'll sell all that to a health insurance company. | Mar 08 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Do you really want them to know this stuff? | Mar 08 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | The only way to turn off this malicious iPhone feature is to disable bluetooth completely. Even then, it's proprietary, so who knows whether turning that feature off actually turned off their ability to track you, or just shuts off their ability to send you coupons and alerts? | Mar 08 20:53 |
| msb_ | Wire a switch in series with the battery, AND keep it in a metal (solid, mesh or foil) case. | Mar 08 21:16 |
| msb_ | The whole phone, not just the switch. | Mar 08 21:16 |
| msb_ | Or, run a network trace on the spies, and when it finds them, feed the coordinates to a drone with an HE warhead. | Mar 08 21:18 |
| msb_ | Should work for the criminal carpet cleaners, too. | Mar 08 21:19 |
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