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msbUnfortunately, it's the people with little money who are the targets of the political liars and swindlers, because the poor/middle are numerous and cast most of the votes.Mar 02 01:26
msbSo the wealthy liars are going to make their content free.Mar 02 01:27
msbTheir media lying and swindling is how they stay in power.Mar 02 01:28
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DaemonFCI'm glad I did my shopping this morning.Mar 02 03:31
DaemonFCThere's freezing rain outside right now. :PMar 02 03:31
DaemonFCugghMar 02 03:31
DaemonFCI probably couldn't get my car anywhere right now if I wanted to.Mar 02 03:31
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFCReferring a gay person to a "conversion therapist" (discredited pseudo-scientific religious bunk) is an act of hate. All those "ex-gay" programs do is teach people to hate themselves over a fact of life.Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFCBeing gay is a fact of life. Like being six feet tall or having blue eyes.Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFCShe shouldn't have been told to attend a "remediation program". She should have been fired immediately. Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFCIt would be nice if there was a remediation program for Fundamentalist Christians which could successfully convert them into human beings.Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFCBut, you have to want to improve, and they don't. Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFC"As a manager at Walmart, I fired one person for calling me a ****ot. My store manager backed me up. I fought her unemployment case and won. "Mar 02 08:05
DaemonFC"What's really funny is that the woman I fired used Walmart as a job reference.Mar 02 08:05
DaemonFCI told them "she was fired over an integrity issue".Mar 02 08:05
DaemonFCThat usually means stealing. I got like 5-6 calls wanting references and I kept telling them that."Mar 02 08:05
DaemonFChttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/vladimir-putin-crimean-coup-russia-ukraineMar 02 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Crimean coup is payback by Putin for Ukraine's revolution | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/gqd3n ]Mar 02 08:38
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUb2OJn1rgYMar 02 11:17
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MinceRhttps://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1939990_10152268391438293_863846184_n.jpgMar 02 12:04
gde33msb: The liars<msb> So the wealthy liars are going to make their content free. <msb> Their media lying and swindling is how they stay in power.Mar 02 12:08
gde33I'm not so sure that would work as well as it does at the moment.Mar 02 12:08
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MinceRgeekingsMar 02 12:47
MinceRhttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1794731_1469697196578376_629768553_n.jpgMar 02 12:56
SosumiI'd rather have russia visiting meMar 02 13:29
Sosumithan some US/nato fascistoidsMar 02 13:29
Sosumior some british inbred lunaticsMar 02 13:30
Sosumiaka the royal parasites and supporting "nobility"Mar 02 13:31
Sosumi*cough* baroness Ashton *cough*Mar 02 13:31
Sosumididn't vote for herMar 02 13:31
Sosumiyet she's there at the EU dictating foreign policyMar 02 13:31
MinceRrussia isn't fascist? cool story bro :>Mar 02 13:32
Sosumiwhen was the last time I've seen russia imposing regime change in other countries?Mar 02 13:33
Sosumiwhat I have to say is when you see russia being the good guyMar 02 13:33
MinceR1956?Mar 02 13:33
Sosumiyou know the everything's FUBARMar 02 13:34
MinceRwhen do i see russia being the good guy?Mar 02 13:34
Sosumidefending syriaMar 02 13:34
Sosumibeing a balance force vs the PNAC policiesMar 02 13:34
Sosumiand yes they were also suplying later after the US alongside with chinaMar 02 13:35
Sosumiweapons to the insurgents in the now former portuguese coloniesMar 02 13:35
MinceRgood thing annexation isn't 'regime change', eh? :>Mar 02 13:36
Sosumiyou mean the anexation of ukraine and crimea?Mar 02 13:37
Sosumithe ukranians themselves are the ones raising russian flagsMar 02 13:37
Sosumiand the military forces are defecting voluntarilyMar 02 13:37
MinceRi wonder which ukrainians, exactlyMar 02 13:38
MinceRafter all, who called the russians into hungary in 1956 was technically hungarian...Mar 02 13:38
Sosumithe ones who don't want to submit to IMF ruleMar 02 13:38
MinceRis IMF rule comparable to russian rule?Mar 02 13:38
Sosuminor wanting to see their country becoming a little china in the middle of europeMar 02 13:38
SosumiIMF rule is a rule of austerityMar 02 13:39
Sosumiand stagnationMar 02 13:39
Sosumisee portugalMar 02 13:39
Sosumieverything came to crawl after the rescueMar 02 13:39
Sosumithere's nothing going onMar 02 13:39
Sosumino development Mar 02 13:39
Sosumi0 new infrastructureMar 02 13:39
Sosumimassive cuts in educationMar 02 13:39
Sosumisorry but for meMar 02 13:40
Sosumia big bomb at the IMF headquarters any dayMar 02 13:40
MinceRso enforcing a policy of austerity is the same thing as taking over a countryMar 02 13:40
MinceRinteresting ideaMar 02 13:40
Sosumiit kind of isMar 02 13:40
Sosumiyou're taking a country economicalyMar 02 13:41
Sosumiinstead of an army at your doorstepMar 02 13:41
Sosumiyou have some folks in a suitMar 02 13:41
Sosumiwith a backpack filled with papersMar 02 13:41
Sosumijust too bad that the portuguese are way too pacificMar 02 13:42
Sosumiotherwise the IMF guys would have been kicked out of here long time agoMar 02 13:43
SosumiactuallyMar 02 13:43
SosumiI call the typical portuguese as some sort of ignorant twat that as long as he has beer and footballMar 02 13:44
Sosumieverything is okMar 02 13:44
Sosumino matter if everything is burning around himMar 02 13:44
MinceRi doubt they're nearly as ignorant as the typical hungarianMar 02 13:44
Sosuminever been to hungary, so can't tellMar 02 13:45
MinceRit's enough to see how hungarians decided to discard democracy in favor of dictatorshipMar 02 13:45
MinceRon their ownMar 02 13:45
Sosumijust like the americans voted Obozo twice? the british call a monarchy a democracyMar 02 13:46
Sosumior the portuguese giving two mandates to former PM Jose SocratesMar 02 13:47
MinceRusians can still replace their government as easily as beforeMar 02 13:47
MinceRthe british are ignorantMar 02 13:47
Sosumiand then voting the fascistoid Passos Coelho inMar 02 13:47
Sosumiof the same party as the maoist BarrosoMar 02 13:47
Sosumiand when you have the collusions in between the the portuguese intelligence services (lol) and private investment firmsMar 02 13:49
Sosumilike the ongoing investment groupMar 02 13:50
Sosumi!google ongoing sis siedMar 02 13:50
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Sosumiwhich also has ties to the portucale group responsible for the BPN bail outsMar 02 13:51
Sosumiaka debt transferMar 02 13:51
Sosumifrom the private sector to the public sectorMar 02 13:51
Sosumibut hey no one is asking for their headsMar 02 13:51
msbThe US cannot easily vote out a fascist president.  The Republicans are openly fascist, and the Democrats are fascists who claim they're liberals but never act like it economically.  They allow GLBT and abortion rights, but that's all.Mar 02 14:09
SosuminoMar 02 14:09
Sosumithey distract you with LGBT and abortion rightsMar 02 14:10
msbWe have a two-party system, and both are fascist economically and in foreign policy and military intervention/invasion.Mar 02 14:10
MinceRthere are other parties and voters could vote for them if they caredMar 02 14:10
Sosumi"if"Mar 02 14:11
msbExactly -- the LGBT and abortion rights are just a distraction, a liberal disguise.Mar 02 14:11
MinceRof course they won't as long as they believe that the democrats are different from the republicansMar 02 14:11
Sosumithat is why democracy doesn't workMar 02 14:11
MinceRbecause the people don't careMar 02 14:11
MinceRdemocracy can't work that wayMar 02 14:11
MinceR(and no other system can either)Mar 02 14:11
Sosumi"if" only they cared...Mar 02 14:11
msbThe people don't know because the corporate media totally lie to them, and that's where they get their info.Mar 02 14:11
MinceRthey have access to non-corporate mediaMar 02 14:12
msbMany care, but they have no idea what's going on.Mar 02 14:12
Sosumiand since when was the role of the media to tell the truth?Mar 02 14:12
Sosumithey just tell what fits the interests of their parent companiesMar 02 14:12
Sosumiand if it is a state owned channelMar 02 14:12
msbUnless they go to the Web, the usians hear only lies.Mar 02 14:12
MinceRmost usians have access to the web, do they not?Mar 02 14:13
Sosumiofc it'll prattle the views of the interests vested in the public offcieMar 02 14:13
MinceR(for now)Mar 02 14:13
Sosumi*officeMar 02 14:13
MinceRnow that net neutrality is gone, it's only a question of time for them to lose accessMar 02 14:13
msbAmazingly, one of the public TV channels carries Russia Today for 30 or 60 minutes on weekdays.Mar 02 14:14
msbMinceR: That may be true.  It's certainly why net neutrality was killed.Mar 02 14:15
msbMost usians don't even know about alternative news sources on the Web.Mar 02 14:17
msbOf course the corporate TV, radio, and newspapers never mention it.Mar 02 14:17
msbMy mother and a friend around here don't use their computers, and both think that the US and Israel protect democracy in other countries.Mar 02 14:19
MinceR:>Mar 02 14:19
Sosumiyou don't even need a computer to learn about british zionismMar 02 14:19
Sosumijust go to a library and pick up a bookMar 02 14:19
Sosuminor to learn that the ashkanasi jewri are eastern europeansMar 02 14:20
msbYeah, but it has to be the right book.  Actually, I only know about jewish zionism.Mar 02 14:20
Sosumithe real semites are the arabsMar 02 14:20
Sosumiyou knowMar 02 14:20
msbApparently genetic studies vary on that.Mar 02 14:20
MinceRsome of the jews are semites tooMar 02 14:20
Sosumithose guys that kind of look like gypsies in their skin toneMar 02 14:21
Sosuminot the snow white princessesMar 02 14:21
msbYes.  The sephardics.  The ashkenazis treat them as "niggers".Mar 02 14:21
MinceR:>Mar 02 14:22
msbThey were the victims -- the Ringworm Children -- of huge X-ray  irradiation overdoses to the head done by the Israelis, instigated by the US govt to find the effects of radiation.  Thousands were killed outright, and the rest suffered seizures, cancers, etc.Mar 02 14:23
msbMinceR: As long as you confuse the concepts of "authoritarians" and "fascists", and as long as your mind is back in 1956, you won't be able to comprehend that the "neo"-Nazis that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc.  They are actual Nazis.Mar 02 14:27
MinceRuh huhMar 02 14:28
MinceRcool story broMar 02 14:28
msbMinceR: You say "uh huh" when you ignore the truth.Mar 02 14:28
MinceRmsb is here to bring us The Truth! all hail msb!Mar 02 14:28
msbMinceR: What part of what I've said to you think is only a "story".Mar 02 14:29
MinceRmsb: you realize that the current russian government explicitly hates gays, right?Mar 02 14:29
msbMinceR: Bullshit!  I can give you plenty of references for this.  Roy even reposted them.Mar 02 14:29
MinceRmsb: you realize that the stalinist government was explicitly going after jews, right?Mar 02 14:29
msbThe stalinist govt is long gone.  This is not 1956!Mar 02 14:30
MinceRmsb: the guys you're trying to whitewash are just as bad as the other sideMar 02 14:30
MinceRif not worseMar 02 14:30
msbI'm not whitewashing them, but they're not nearly as bad as explicit Nazis.Mar 02 14:30
MinceRmsb: also, i'm interested in your "references" about how the current russian government is not going after gaysMar 02 14:30
msbMinceR: Do you hate "commies" so much that you like Nazis?Mar 02 14:30
MinceRi hate them bothMar 02 14:31
MinceRalso, apparently you have reading comprehension issuesMar 02 14:31
MinceRyou might profit from an English course.Mar 02 14:31
msbYou're stooping to nonsensical personal attacks -- proof that part of your mind knows you're wrong.Mar 02 14:32
MinceRyou might want to re-read the buffer/log to see who started nonsensical personal attacks hereMar 02 14:32
MinceRhint: it was not me.Mar 02 14:33
msbRussia is the only major opposition to the US-Israel-Rothschild fascists.Mar 02 14:33
MinceRit's opposition only in the sense "i wish i was doing the same thing in that position"Mar 02 14:34
MinceRjust like how jobbik is considered to be an opposition to fidesz.Mar 02 14:34
msbI said that your mind was back in 1956, when the Russians invaded Hungary, and that colors all your political thinking.Mar 02 14:35
MinceRand you were wrongMar 02 14:35
MinceRrussia keeps proving that they haven't gone anywhereMar 02 14:35
msbHow?Mar 02 14:35
MinceRthe former leader of the kgb is now ruling the countryMar 02 14:35
MinceRrussia is just as imperialistic as it wasMar 02 14:35
msbSo?  It's what he does that counts, not what he was.Mar 02 14:35
MinceRonly they have a different cult behind them nowMar 02 14:36
msbWhat nations is Russia invading or conquering?Mar 02 14:36
MinceRsome people apparently like to pretend that makes all the differenceMar 02 14:36
MinceRukraine, currentlyMar 02 14:36
MinceRviktor orban might hand hungary over to them tooMar 02 14:36
MinceRwith the paks 2 dealMar 02 14:36
MinceRor if a miracle happens and the democratic opposition wins the next election and tells the russians the deal is off, we might be invaded tooMar 02 14:36
msbThe US and EU are the ones that conquered -- regime-changed -- Ukraine, not Russia.  Russia is only trying to reverse that and restore the elected govt.Mar 02 14:37
MinceRyes, replacing a communist dictatorship with democracy is conquestMar 02 14:37
MinceRwhat was i thinking?Mar 02 14:37
msbMinceR: Not everything that happens in the world involves Hungary!!!Mar 02 14:37
MinceRmsb: if you love russia so much, why don't you move there?Mar 02 14:38
msbThe govt of Ukraine was not a "communist dictatorship".  It was elected.Mar 02 14:38
MinceRso you like the current hungarian government too, don't you?Mar 02 14:38
MinceRhitler was elected too.Mar 02 14:38
msbMinceR: That "if you love XXX so much, why don't you move there?" is a very standard political propaganda attack.Mar 02 14:39
MinceRbtw you still haven't provided any references on how russia isn't attacking gaysMar 02 14:39
msbWhy would you say I like the current Hungarian govt?Mar 02 14:39
MinceRbecause they were elected, and introduced an authoritarian regimeMar 02 14:40
msbAnd you say they're nazi-type fascists.  So of course I would not favor them.Mar 02 14:41
msbPutting false words in someone else's mouth is also a standard lying propaganda technique.Mar 02 14:41
MinceRbecause you don't mind being oppressed so long as there's a yellow hammer and sickle on the red flag, not a swastikaMar 02 14:41
msbNo, I don't like any oppression.Mar 02 14:42
msbBut socialism is not necessarily oppression.Mar 02 14:42
MinceRas far as i can tell, so far all forms of "socialism" were.Mar 02 14:42
msbNot in Nicaragua, and not in Vietnam.Mar 02 14:43
MinceR(not what republicans call "socialism" -- to them everything is, that is not them)Mar 02 14:43
msbAnd only in Cuba because it's constantly attacked by the US.Mar 02 14:43
MinceRthat's not a very good excuse.Mar 02 14:43
MinceRsounds a lot like 1984 to meMar 02 14:43
msbCuba was invaded by the US, and sprayed by the US with swine flu that killed all their pigs, and plant-eating insects to destroy their crops.Mar 02 14:44
MinceRvietnam is a single-party state, therefore autocraticMar 02 14:44
msbAnd the US inflicts an economic embargo on Cuba such that no company that deals with Cuba can sell anything in the US.Mar 02 14:45
MinceRautocracy is oppression.Mar 02 14:46
msbEisenhower -- not a commie -- in his memoirs said that 80% of Vietnam would have voted to unify under Ho Chi Minh if the US had not prevented the election.Mar 02 14:46
MinceRand i'm not sure what's going on in nicaraguaMar 02 14:46
msbThey voted for the Ortega socialist regime in the most recent election.Mar 02 14:47
MinceRand how free was that election?Mar 02 14:47
msbNo indication that it wasn't.Mar 02 14:47
msbYou think that all socialists are stalinist, because you are traumatized by 1956.Mar 02 14:48
msbPeople can vote to share stuff -- that's socialism.Mar 02 14:49
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_general_election,_2011#ElectionMar 02 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nicaraguan general election, 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqewl ]Mar 02 14:49
MinceRyes, and people can vote to take my stuff awayMar 02 14:49
MinceRthat's socialism tooMar 02 14:49
msbSo?  Hindrance of observation in 20% of polling places could not account for a 2:1 win by the socialists.Mar 02 14:51
msbSocialism would only take (some of) your stuff away if you were wealthy.Mar 02 14:52
MinceRwhy did they need to hinder the work of observers in the first place?Mar 02 14:52
msbAnd if lots of people were poor.Mar 02 14:52
MinceRand an autocratic government decides who's wealthy and who's poorMar 02 14:52
MinceRi've seen how that worksMar 02 14:52
msbAnd a pure capitalist "two-party" government stages 9/11, invades two nations and murders 2,000,000 people, is murdering more with drones, and robbed 28 trillion dollars of tax money to give to crooked banks.Mar 02 14:54
MinceRthat was one country out of how many?Mar 02 14:54
msbThat is the inevitable result of unregulated capitalism, with no limits on wealth. Mar 02 14:55
MinceRno it's notMar 02 14:55
MinceRit does not follow.Mar 02 14:55
msbUnfortunately it's the most powerful nation in the world, with more weapons than the rest of the world combined.Mar 02 14:55
MinceRthere are plenty of countries that have insufficient regulation and no limits on wealthMar 02 14:55
MinceRyet they don't do such thingsMar 02 14:55
msbThe whole EU is inflicting austerity -- which means keeping people poor by robbing them thru taxation.Mar 02 14:56
MinceRnot all of usa's troubles come from lack of socialism.Mar 02 14:56
MinceRso, which state of the EU staged 9/11, invaded nations and murdered people?Mar 02 14:56
msbA graduated tax on wealth would help a great deal.Mar 02 14:56
msbMinceR: That's a nonsense question.Mar 02 14:57
MinceRor it wouldn'tMar 02 14:57
MinceRhow so?Mar 02 14:57
MinceRyou equated non-socialism with those thingsMar 02 14:57
MinceRtherefore EU members not doing that means they must be socialistMar 02 14:58
MinceRdoes it not?Mar 02 14:58
msbI equated unregulated capitalism with those things in the US.Mar 02 14:58
MinceRor could it be perhaps that your premise was flawed?Mar 02 14:58
msbAgain you are putting nonsense in my mouth.Mar 02 14:58
MinceRno, you're putting nonsense in your own mouthMar 02 14:58
msbCan you talk without using lying propaganda techniques?Mar 02 14:58
MinceRyou're trying to twist reality beyond recognition to support your utopia.Mar 02 14:59
MinceRcan you?Mar 02 14:59
msbMy idea of the best system is a graduated tax on wealth, and socialism or social-democracy for large businesses, with capitalism for small ones.Mar 02 15:00
msbI don't claim it would be utopia, but it would be much better than what we have.Mar 02 15:01
MinceRand everyone who doesn't agree with that must be a nazi.Mar 02 15:01
MinceRinteresting.Mar 02 15:01
msbWealth would be limited to something like $10million.  And corporations would have NO political power, no ability to donate to campaigns or parties.Mar 02 15:02
MinceRwhich country implements this?Mar 02 15:02
msbLying propaganda technique: MinceR: "and everyone who doesn't agree with that must be a nazi"Mar 02 15:03
MinceRlying propaganda technique: 152806 < msb> MinceR: As long as you confuse the concepts of "authoritarians" and "fascists", and as long as your mind is back in 1956, you won't be able to comprehend that the "neo"-Nazis Mar 02 15:03
MinceR              that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc.  They are actual Nazis.Mar 02 15:03
msbNo country that I know of implements it.  But I think all should.Mar 02 15:03
MinceRmore lying propaganda technique: 153106 < msb> MinceR: Do you hate "commies" so much that you like Nazis?Mar 02 15:04
MinceRmsb: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.Mar 02 15:04
msbLet's get back to this:  Wealth would be limited to something like $10million.  And corporations would have NO political power, no ability to donate to campaigns or parties.Mar 02 15:04
msbMy idea of the best system is a graduated tax on wealth, and socialism or social-democracy for large businesses, with capitalism for small ones.Mar 02 15:05
MinceRa hard wealth limit is a very bad idea.Mar 02 15:05
msbCan you agree that that would be a good system?Mar 02 15:05
msbWhy?Mar 02 15:05
msbWhy does anyone need more than 10 million dollars?Mar 02 15:05
MinceRwhat if i inherit real estate worth $10M but have no food in the fridge, so i go to workMar 02 15:05
MinceRbut i can't get more money so i starveMar 02 15:05
MinceRor i must sell it?Mar 02 15:06
MinceRalso, why $10M?Mar 02 15:06
msbYou can sell $1 million worth.Mar 02 15:06
MinceRwhat if the value of the currency changes?Mar 02 15:06
MinceRwhat if the market doesn't want it?Mar 02 15:06
msbBecause that's plenty more than anyone or any family needs.Mar 02 15:06
MinceRalso, who decides what capital such as real estate is worth in the first place?Mar 02 15:06
MinceRwho decides if my car is worth too much?Mar 02 15:06
msbMarket value.Mar 02 15:07
MinceRwho decides if the prime minister's car is worth too much?Mar 02 15:07
msbYou're nitpicking.Mar 02 15:07
MinceRno, i'm notMar 02 15:07
MinceRi'm bringing up very real issues with your inflexible system.Mar 02 15:07
MinceRalso, it's screaming for people to find and exploit loopholesMar 02 15:07
msbLet's say no hard limit on wealth, but the graduated wealthy tax would be designed to approximately limit around 10 million.Mar 02 15:08
msbYes, loopholes would have to be closed.  That's true of any system.Mar 02 15:09
msbThe democratically elected govt would do that.Mar 02 15:09
MinceRwealth tax causes people to move their capital to other countries.Mar 02 15:10
msbYour car couldn't be "worth too much".  Taxation would be based on total wealth.Mar 02 15:10
msbIt would still be counted as their wealth.Mar 02 15:11
MinceRexcept it would not be visible to the state.Mar 02 15:11
MinceRand of course the richer you are, the easier it is to find and use services that help you exploit loopholesMar 02 15:11
msbForeign investment and banking would be required to be reported.Mar 02 15:11
MinceRso the poor guys get struckMar 02 15:12
MinceRand how do you propose to enforce such a requirement?Mar 02 15:12
msbThe punishment would be imprisonment.Mar 02 15:12
MinceRthe government wouldn't find out in the first placeMar 02 15:13
MinceRalso, some kinds of property cannot be sold in part, the taxpayer would be required to sell the whole thingMar 02 15:13
MinceRwhich would be very disruptiveMar 02 15:13
msbThey could be required to sell some shares of it.Mar 02 15:14
MinceRhow do you sell shares of a house or a car?Mar 02 15:14
msbA house or car worth over $10 million?Mar 02 15:14
msbYou nits could be solved.Mar 02 15:15
msbWhat kind of economic system would you favor?Mar 02 15:15
MinceRi'm not entirely decided.Mar 02 15:15
MinceRi don't have a single system i have as much confidence in as you have in the above mentioned one.Mar 02 15:15
msbCan you come up with one as good or better than mine?Mar 02 15:16
MinceRprobablyMar 02 15:16
msbThen please do.Mar 02 15:16
msbI'd also have a single-payer Canadian style health system.Mar 02 15:17
MinceRdemocratic, regulated free-market system, income tax, VAT, limited government spending (for example, no m$ licenses bought), no wealth limit or wealth tax; opt-in health systemMar 02 15:18
MinceRi agree with corporations not getting political powerMar 02 15:19
msbSo how do you prevent the ultra-wealthy from controlling the govt and media?Mar 02 15:19
MinceRlimits on campaign contributions from individuals as wellMar 02 15:20
MinceRan election system that doesn't distort results in favor of big partiesMar 02 15:20
MinceR(some sort of preferential voting)Mar 02 15:20
MinceRif government media exists, it could be treated as another independent branch of powerMar 02 15:21
msbThose are good.  I'll add them to mine.  But unlimited wealth always enables unlimited power.Mar 02 15:21
msbI'm talking about corporate/wealth controlled media, not govt controlled.Mar 02 15:22
MinceRperhaps even separate elections for all branches of power, perhaps except the judiciaryMar 02 15:22
MinceRfor private media, i'd remove government interference (seeing what it did in hungary)Mar 02 15:22
msbWe already have that.  Doesn't do any good.Mar 02 15:22
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_lost#Democracy_VouchersMar 02 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Republic, Lost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqf3r ]Mar 02 15:23
MinceRthis could help tooMar 02 15:23
msbWealthy interference with media is just as bad.Mar 02 15:23
MinceRit is, but it could at least have multiple polesMar 02 15:23
MinceRsome of the issues could be solved by regulations to keep the market freeMar 02 15:23
MinceRso you don't end up with the huge media/isp conglomerates as in the usa.Mar 02 15:24
MinceRalso, some of these controls could eventually help fix issues in other areasMar 02 15:25
MinceRfor example, reforming campaign financing and the election system could remove incentives for corruption in other areas.Mar 02 15:25
msbNo.  There's no way to eliminate wholesale lying in the media except by having it controlled democratically and financed by lots of small contributions.Mar 02 15:26
msbHuge wealth always leads to corruption.  It's unavoidable.Mar 02 15:26
MinceRthe government media could have thatMar 02 15:27
msbWhy do you want people to be able to be hugely wealthy?Mar 02 15:27
MinceRbecause i don't think there's a good limit you could pickMar 02 15:27
MinceRand i don't think that the cited issues could be avoided, except by making the limit so high it won't matterMar 02 15:27
msbWhat's wrong with 10 million dollars?  Mar 02 15:28
MinceRit's arbitraryMar 02 15:28
MinceRand its real value will change with inflationMar 02 15:28
msbNo, it's chosen to be much more than any family needs.Mar 02 15:28
MinceRand as i've stated before, the rich will be in the best position to evade itMar 02 15:29
msbProper money policy will prevent inflation.Mar 02 15:29
MinceRfamilies are irrelevantMar 02 15:29
MinceRand if you want people to have incentives to work smarter and more, you're going to have to look beyond essential needsMar 02 15:29
msbThere won't be any rich (beyond $10M).Mar 02 15:29
MinceRpeople want more than just survival, and rightly soMar 02 15:29
MinceRthere will be, just your government won't know about itMar 02 15:30
MinceRin any case, i'd try the reforms i've mentioned and see how things work out before looking for more drastic measures, such as wealth limits, wealth taxation or dismantling the state entirelyMar 02 15:31
msbYou can get a good family helicopter for less than $1MMar 02 15:32
msbIf $10M would only allow you and your family to "survive", you need to talk with DaemonFC!   8^)Mar 02 15:33
MinceR:>Mar 02 15:33
MinceRor the dollar inflated. :>Mar 02 15:34
msbYour reforms would not be enough, because huge wealth always gives huge power.Mar 02 15:34
msbGold/silver standard would prevent inflation.Mar 02 15:34
MinceRit would not workMar 02 15:34
MinceRthere is already more money in the economy than the gold/silver standard could supportMar 02 15:35
msbBut it's fake money.Mar 02 15:35
msbSo it would be necessary to deflate gradually.Mar 02 15:36
msbNot that I'd want most people to have helicopters.  It would be Death From Above!Mar 02 15:39
MinceR:>Mar 02 15:39
msbHybrid SUVs are good.Mar 02 15:41
msbHey, this is good.  I now have a recommended economic system for my website!  And a few days ago, I got here the ideal design for my next computer.  I love #techrights!Mar 02 15:44
MinceR:>Mar 02 15:45
MinceRsure, you could deflate fiat currency and replace it with a gold/silver standard based oneMar 02 15:46
MinceRbut you couldn't have enough of _that_ to support an economy of the current size.Mar 02 15:46
MinceRpeople would probably come up with fiat currency again to work around that limit.Mar 02 15:46
msbThere's plenty of gold/silver/platinum still in the ground, and gold in seawater.Mar 02 15:46
msbAs long as the money is based on stuff with actual value, it's OK.Mar 02 15:47
msbFairly constant actual value.Mar 02 15:48
MinceReven the value of precious metals isn't fairly constsntMar 02 15:49
MinceRs/tsnt/tant/Mar 02 15:49
MinceRand as technology progresses, it will be even less soMar 02 15:49
msbThe value of metals is fairly constant.  It's their price in dollars that changes.Mar 02 15:50
Sosumihttp://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Portugal/Interior.aspx?content_id=3716060&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterMar 02 15:54
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Sosumi19 institutions doing telephone screenings in portugalMar 02 15:54
Sosumiway too many according the ministry of justiceMar 02 15:55
Sosumiwhat about none?Mar 02 15:55
MinceRindeedMar 02 15:56
Sosumino mention to warrants eitherMar 02 15:57
Sosumialso crapple to push new effort into iAdMar 02 16:02
Sosumitheir advertisement platformMar 02 16:03
Sosumisaid to be announced at this year's WWDCMar 02 16:03
Sosumiprobably means that'll copy M$Mar 02 16:03
Sosumiin which all safari searches and a local searches through spotlight will be logged at crapple's serversMar 02 16:03
Sosumijust like M$ started doing after vista 8Mar 02 16:04
MinceRjust like canonical started doing :>Mar 02 16:04
Sosumiand probably associated with the apple IDMar 02 16:04
Sosumiyes but moronical doesn't charge neither for hardware nor softwareMar 02 16:05
Sosumiso the user can simply shove them to sideMar 02 16:05
SosumiI'm actually starting to think that in the future one might one need to run either windows or to a much lower extent osxMar 02 16:06
Sosumifor some specialized workMar 02 16:06
Sosumilike CAD/CAM workMar 02 16:07
Sosumiand that is if that software doesn't come to gnu/linux down the roadMar 02 16:07
Sosumiwhich it shouldMar 02 16:07
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SosumiI just can't believe that software like catia or autocad inventor are windows onlyMar 02 16:07
Sosumiand that at least, autodesk bothered to implement directx on their suitsMar 02 16:08
SosumiactuallyMar 02 16:17
Sosumithe trends points out to tablets and assortmentsMar 02 16:17
Sosumibut not with gnu/linuxMar 02 16:17
Sosumibut with android and alikesMar 02 16:17
Sosumiwhich are enough for the facebook derplings, minor work and with no need to take to the computer repair storeMar 02 16:18
Sosumiplus isn't the new trend to have the web close and more personal?Mar 02 16:19
Sosumiin the way that a only tablet could?Mar 02 16:19
Sosumikind of like a newspaperMar 02 16:20
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Sosumiand I'm surprised that the new m$ CEOMar 02 18:41
Sosumiwhat was his name?Mar 02 18:41
SosumiSatya Nutella? lolMar 02 18:42
Sosumihasn't made any comment in bringing office into the xboxMar 02 18:42
Sosumiand turn the console into a general computerMar 02 18:43
Sosumiof which it already isMar 02 18:43
Sosumiin a crippled apple fashionMar 02 18:43
Sosumibut since they're now interested in hardware and angering their partnersMar 02 18:43
Sosumiwhat about more than competing with everyone on the low endMar 02 18:44
Sosumiwhich would in turn make manufactuerers offer direct support for gnu/linuxMar 02 18:45
Sosumion consumer grade hardwareMar 02 18:45
Sosumieven if just ubuntuMar 02 18:45
SosumialsoMar 02 18:57
SosumiI'm yet to see a xbone on sale here in ptMar 02 18:58
Sosumiall I see around at the major stores are ps4Mar 02 18:58
Sosuminot even xbox 360 are around anymoreMar 02 18:59
Sosuminot even leftovers from previous packsMar 02 18:59
schestowitz__[14:39] <MinceR> btw you still haven't provided any references on how russia isn't attacking gaysMar 02 19:04
schestowitz__[14:29] <MinceR> msb: you realize that the current russian government explicitly hates gays, right?Mar 02 19:04
schestowitz__[14:29] <msb> MinceR: Bullshit!  I can give you plenty of references for this.  Roy even reposted them.Mar 02 19:04
schestowitz__I was never shown any such references by anyoneMar 02 19:04
MinceRneither was iMar 02 19:04
schestowitz__And from what I can gather, Russia goes Rambo on gay rights activistsMar 02 19:04
schestowitz__not sure if "anti-gay", but those who openly promote equality for gays are equated with domestic enemiesMar 02 19:05
MinceRi've heard plenty of bullshit from the russian government on "gay propaganda" as if that was a thingMar 02 19:05
schestowitz__there is such a thingMar 02 19:05
schestowitz__"gay propaganda"Mar 02 19:05
schestowitz__I don't oppose the term in  its own rightMar 02 19:05
schestowitz__but their actions against itMar 02 19:06
schestowitz__There is also "FOSS propaganda", "US propaganda", "communist propaganda"Mar 02 19:06
schestowitz__I won't be beaten in the streets for promoting Nazism, anarchy, etc.Mar 02 19:06
schestowitz__I might get harassed by police if the public complains, Public Disturbance order or whatever it's now calledMar 02 19:07
msbI was referring to "the "neo"-Nazis that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc.  They are actual Nazis."Mar 02 19:07
schestowitz__Russia is nastyMar 02 19:07
msbNot to Russian attitude toward gays.Mar 02 19:07
schestowitz__i am reading all the conversation ATMMar 02 19:07
schestowitz__I find it interestingMar 02 19:07
schestowitz__Russia is nasty tooMar 02 19:07
schestowitz__And to say Stalin went after Jews overlooks the fact he used Israel thinking it would help spread communismMar 02 19:08
msbBut has not murdered 2,000,000 since 2001.Mar 02 19:08
schestowitz__Like funnelling weapons (I think from Czechoslovakia) to help the revolutionMar 02 19:08
schestowitz__but later he felt betrayed because today's NATO members were embraced as alliesMar 02 19:09
schestowitz__Russia is very nastyMar 02 19:09
msbHelp murder Palestinians.Mar 02 19:09
schestowitz__based on my friends who are RussiansMar 02 19:09
schestowitz__Many left Russia and don't have much positive to sayMar 02 19:09
schestowitz__msb: Mar 02 19:09
schestowitz__!google ukraine russia killed millionsMar 02 19:09
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Ukrainian 'Holodomor' (man-made famine) Facts and History | http://www.holodomorct.org/history.htmlMar 02 19:09
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Holodomor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HolodomorMar 02 19:09
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Soviet famine of 1932–33 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%25E2%2580%259333Mar 02 19:09
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Stalin's Forced Famine - The History Place | http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htmMar 02 19:09
schestowitz__Russia, IIRC, can be held responsible for the deaths of tens of millions, and China tooMar 02 19:10
schestowitz__Not just directly from warsMar 02 19:10
schestowitz__But bad policies, cleansing, genocidesMar 02 19:10
msbYes, but _now_ Russia is the only counter to US fascism/mass-murder, which is the worst thing going on in the world.Mar 02 19:11
schestowitz__The West is focused on teaching consequences of WW2 (for political reasons), but there's lots to be learned about WW2 in the far eastMar 02 19:11
MinceRcounter fascism and mass murder with more fascism and mass murder?Mar 02 19:11
schestowitz__and the Korea wars and later Turf wars in the early days of the Cold WarMar 02 19:11
schestowitz__msb: oppose bothMar 02 19:11
schestowitz__help UkraineMar 02 19:11
schestowitz__or HungaryMar 02 19:11
schestowitz__hungary used to be with AustriaMar 02 19:12
schestowitz__Now it's seemingly with the USSR block, stillMar 02 19:12
schestowitz__And EU can grab it into more civilised turfMar 02 19:12
msbThe US just sent nazis to conquer Ukraine.  Mar 02 19:12
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MinceRwith the antidemocratic turn and paks 2, they're certainly going back to ussrMar 02 19:12
schestowitz__and offer better jobs, etc. by migrationMar 02 19:12
schestowitz__No, the US funded "useful idiots"Mar 02 19:12
schestowitz__It wants nuclear bufferMar 02 19:13
msbArmed nazis with machine guns.Mar 02 19:13
schestowitz__The Nazis were always thereMar 02 19:13
schestowitz__and armedMar 02 19:13
schestowitz__their descendants come from Nazi eraMar 02 19:13
schestowitz__The US just awoken a giantMar 02 19:13
schestowitz__Russia has some nazi sympathisers tooMar 02 19:13
msbBut US recently promised to support them in a takeover.  That's why they did it.Mar 02 19:13
schestowitz__more so than in the UKMar 02 19:13
schestowitz__US promised it?Mar 02 19:14
schestowitz__Show the reports, I must have missed such a thingMar 02 19:14
msbRoy, did you read those articles from CRG that you reposted?Mar 02 19:14
schestowitz__ORG writes about privacyMar 02 19:14
schestowitz__Oh, CRGMar 02 19:14
msbyes, you reposted their URLs, I'm not sure whereMar 02 19:15
schestowitz__Yes, depending on who's writing, the "rebels" are mostly denouncedMar 02 19:15
schestowitz__It's said to be tied with some Russian interests because it's against Western globalisationMar 02 19:15
schestowitz__I posted that here and in techrightsMar 02 19:15
msbWhat is tied with Russian interests?Mar 02 19:16
msb"Despite these ominous signs, Ambassador Pyatt hailed the coup as “a day for the history books.” Most of the mainstream U.S. news media also sided with the coup, with commentators praising the overthrow of an elected government as “reform.” But a few dissonant reports have pierced the happy talk by noting that the armed militias are part of the Pravy Sektor, a right-wing nationalist group which is often compared to the Nazis."Mar 02 19:21
msbhttp://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/23/neocons-and-the-ukraine-coup/Mar 02 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consortiumnews.com | Neocons and the Ukraine Coup | Consortiumnews [ http://ur1.ca/gpjzk ]Mar 02 19:21
msbUkraine and the “Politics of Anti-Semitism”: The West Upholds Neo-Nazi Repression of Ukraine’s Jewish CommunityMar 02 19:23
msbhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-and-the-politics-of-anti-semitism-west-upholds-neo-nazi-repression-of-ukraines-jewish-community/5370790Mar 02 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Ukraine and the “Politics of Anti-Semitism”: The West Upholds Neo-Nazi Repression of Ukraine’s Jewish Community | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gpjys ]Mar 02 19:23
msbschestowitz__: What is tied with Russian interests?Mar 02 19:24
schestowitz__Some of the writings in the site, not necessarily those of the above authorsMar 02 19:24
schestowitz__I notice that Assange no longer makes his relations with the Russian government noticesMar 02 19:25
schestowitz__*noticedMar 02 19:25
schestowitz__which is goodMar 02 19:25
schestowitz__he made himself an easy targetMar 02 19:25
schestowitz__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_UnionMar 02 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqgkb ]Mar 02 19:37
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sebsebsebhiMar 02 19:38
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/us-official-claims-6000-russian-troops-complete-control-crimea-crisis-map-updateMar 02 21:36
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MinceRgnMar 02 22:48
schestowitz__now they know how Russia feels when the US invades nationsMar 02 23:54
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msbThe New Economic Policy -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/EconPolicyV1.0.htmlMar 03 05:18
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msbSuggestions welcome!Mar 03 05:18
msbThis is good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBmAkAO7j8cMar 03 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Anonymous Ukraine - Message 2014 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqlfq ]Mar 03 05:19
msbSound like a voice synthesizer may have been used.Mar 03 05:20
msbBut a very good one.Mar 03 05:20
msb"You shall hear from me again!" -- Fu ManchuMar 03 05:20
msbTranscript here (but video not downloadable as it is on the youtube page):  http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/167455/Anonymous_Ukraine__Message_2014/Mar 03 05:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.disclose.tv | Anonymous Ukraine - Message 2014 [Video] [ http://ur1.ca/gqlg8 ]Mar 03 05:22
msbLots of good stuff about Ukraine, Soros, Rothschilds, etc. here: http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/profiles/blog/listMar 03 05:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fightingforliberty.ning.com | Blogs - Fighting for Liberty [ http://ur1.ca/gqlkq ]Mar 03 05:49
msbDown the left-hand side.Mar 03 05:49
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MinceRnow they know how russia feels when the us annexes nations? :>Mar 03 06:54
DaemonFCMinceR: Sorry about that. It's not like I get much control over what the government does.Mar 03 07:00
DaemonFCI can nudge it between right-wing and extremely right-wing.Mar 03 07:00
MinceRi was commenting on schestowitz__'s comment :>Mar 03 07:01
MinceRhttp://www.express.co.uk/news/world/461770/Expert-likens-possible-Putin-action-on-Ukraine-to-Hitler-s-1938-move-on-CzechoslovakiaMar 03 07:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.express.co.uk | Expert likens possible Putin action on Ukraine to Hitler's 1938 move on Czechoslovakia | World | News | Daily Express [ http://ur1.ca/gqlz8 ]Mar 03 07:05
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MinceRDaemonFC: 005437 < schestowitz__> now they know how Russia feels when the US invades nationsMar 03 07:31
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msbClever propaganda operation of _The Express_ to liken a possible Russian move to counter the nazi putsch in Ukraine to the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia.  No mention that the goons who seized power from a duly elected government in Ukraine are themselves nazis!Mar 03 07:36
msbBut every alternative news site on the Web that I've seen does make it clear that it's a nazi takeover backed by the US and EU.Mar 03 07:37
gde33is the gas still flowing?Mar 03 07:39
gde33the facinating bit in this picture http://www.gazpromexport.ru/en/statistics/ is that germany can produce more than enough bio gas for entire europeMar 03 07:49
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gde33the bio gas is better than the russian gasMar 03 07:49
gde33currently it mostly burned to make electricityMar 03 07:50
gde33in inefficent waysMar 03 07:50
gde33retooling for life after gazprom wont take longMar 03 07:50
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DaemonFCThe fracking companies promised us that if we let them operate, that we'd be enjoying a manufacturing comeback and that the price to heat your home would be at record lows.Mar 03 07:53
DaemonFCInstead, they exported all the gas, it created no jobs, and the price to heat our homes continues to rise.Mar 03 07:54
DaemonFC:PMar 03 07:54
gde33just no more drinking waterMar 03 07:54
gde33I think the economics tricksters are using old books where industry is suggested to have value for a countryMar 03 07:54
gde33this while there is no evidence of that :PMar 03 07:55
gde33The israelies have the right business model for their country, just get free money and goods from someone else, no questions asked :DMar 03 07:55
gde33tell them to go fuck themselves afterwardsMar 03 07:56
gde33someone added up all the aid, military, ecconomic, financial etc, he came at something like 50 k per citizenMar 03 07:57
gde33not entirely realistic of courseMar 03 07:57
gde33imagine how rich americans would be if they divided their military budget over the citizensMar 03 07:57
gde33woah!Mar 03 07:57
gde33how much is 50 * 500 bilion divided by 300 million?Mar 03 08:00
gde33something like 83 000, not even that muchMar 03 08:01
gde33kinda disapointing lolMar 03 08:01
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DaemonFCWe should sell those A-10 Thunderbolt IIs that the Pentagon wants to scrap to Ukraine.Mar 03 08:38
DaemonFCThey'd make short work of the Russian occupation force.Mar 03 08:39
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_rvt_np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx2AVIMTCZH3PML#CustomerDiscussionsNewMar 03 08:52
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MinceRa few things our anti-democracy activist forgot to mention in his propaganda >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanukovich#Impeachment_and_vote_to_removeMar 03 09:10
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFChttp://www.msnbc.com/the-ed-show/leaked-document-shows-what-walmart-really-payMar 03 10:32
DaemonFCAccording to leaked documents, Walmart starts out at about $8 an hour, and most of their employees are only scheduled to work part time so they can't get any health insurance or other benefits.Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFCA woman in this story says that she can't earn more than $14,000 a year at Walmart and that her kids rely on medicaid, food stamps, subsidized housing, and free school lunches so that they can make ends meet.Mar 03 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msnbc.com | Leaked document shows what Walmart really pays its workers | MSNBC [ http://ur1.ca/gqndt ]Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFChttp://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/27/politics/27walmart.htmlMar 03 10:32
DaemonFCIn 2006, Walmart's former CEO, H. Lee Scott, bragged that Walmart was managing to dump most of their workers onto Medicaid.Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFCWalmart employees top the Medicaid list in every state, except for DC, where there aren't any Walmart stores yet. When they build the proposed stores, Walmart employees will top the Medicaid list in DC as well.Mar 03 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/gqndw ]Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFChttp://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/local/kalamazoo/2014/02/24/ald-jobs-employment/5772895/Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFCThis newspaper article says that ALDI, a discount grocer that will reduce your grocery bill 15-20% below what you can expect to spend at Walmart, is starting out its lowest paid employees at $10.50 an hour.Mar 03 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wzzm13.com | Aldi holds hiring event in Portage [ http://ur1.ca/gqndx ]Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFCALDI offers health insurance to employees who work as little as 20 hours a week.Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFCALDI also has a dental, vision, and 401(k) plan that Walmart employees don't have.Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFChttp://www.producenews.com/index.php/news-dep-menu/test-featured/11972-aldi-plans-to-open-650-new-storesMar 03 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.producenews.com | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores - The Produce News - Covering fresh produce around the globe since 1897. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndy ]Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFCALDI plans to open 650 new stores in the United States in 2014, creating good jobs that pay the bills without dumping most of their employees on government welfare, Walmart-style.Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFChttp://www.cnbc.com/id/101380735Mar 03 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Time to close Wal-Mart stores? Analysts think soMar 03 10:32
DaemonFCWalmart's profits for last quarter were down over 20%, and CNBC is reporting that they should start closing stores, beginning with the 100 least profitable.Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFChttp://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/02/could-wal-mart-be-the-next-giant-failure-in-retail.aspxMar 03 10:32
DaemonFCThe Motley Fool suspects that Walmart could be going down the KMart path.Mar 03 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Could Wal-Mart Be the Next Giant Failure in Retail? (WMT) [ http://ur1.ca/gq67o ]Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFCWalmart is rapidly becoming relevant to today's tech-savvy shoppers, who know that they can get better deals elsewhere, and lose their grocery business to highly respectable companies like ALDI.Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFChttp://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/04/06/why-wal-mart-needs-more-workers.aspxMar 03 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Why Wal-Mart Needs More Workers (WMT) [ http://ur1.ca/gqne0 ]Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFCOver the last few years, even as Walmart has been opening new stores, they have reduced their workforce by over 120,000 employees, causing a drag on job creation. Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFCoopsMar 03 10:32
DaemonFCmeant to say "irrelevant"Mar 03 10:32
DaemonFCand 650 over the next 5 yearsMar 03 10:37
DaemonFCman, I messed that up a bitMar 03 10:37
DaemonFCstill....Mar 03 10:38
DaemonFCThey're growing rapidly and killing Walmart.Mar 03 10:38
Sosumiow's the state of 4k on gnu linux?Mar 03 11:11
Sosumieven through it is still kind of premature to get a 4k displayMar 03 11:12
Sosumias there aren't any compelling 4096x21600 displaysMar 03 11:13
Sosumi*2160Mar 03 11:13
Sosumibut as my second display is filled with burns from displaying static images all the timeMar 03 11:14
Sosumias is now showing 2 dead pixelsMar 03 11:15
SosumiI may thinking in replace my dual 1920x1200 24 inches by a single 4k monitorMar 03 11:15
Sosumi*beMar 03 11:16
Sosumia nice 32 inches model would probably be enoughMar 03 11:17
Sosumialso from what I've seenMar 03 11:17
Sosumithe 16:10 ratio is kind of out of the windowMar 03 11:17
Sosumithe other wayMar 03 11:21
SosumiwellMar 03 11:21
Sosumiwould be getting another 24 inchesMar 03 11:21
MinceRthat's what she said.Mar 03 11:21
Sosumiand playing some games in eyefinity modeMar 03 11:21
Sosumino, she said if those were crt displaysMar 03 11:22
Sosumiand I got 3Mar 03 11:22
SosumiI'd no longer need to go to the beach to sunbathMar 03 11:22
Sosumithe radiation emanating from the tube would take care of thatMar 03 11:23
Sosumialthough that was only typical on the old "green" crtMar 03 11:23
MinceRwouldn't workMar 03 11:23
MinceRCRTs were said to emit X-rays, not UVMar 03 11:24
SosumiokMar 03 11:24
Sosumi180º degrees xrayMar 03 11:24
Sosumithe ideal display would be a nice curved monitor with no bezelsMar 03 11:26
Sosumiwith an equivalent of a 3 1920x1200 monitorsMar 03 11:27
Sosumifor me and given at the distance I sit from the displays, 30 kind of seems too muchMar 03 11:28
SosumiI did try it onceMar 03 11:28
Sosumibut with a 32 inches tvMar 03 11:28
Sosumijust to get the perspectiveMar 03 11:28
Sosumiand I ended up moving my head way more than just workingMar 03 11:29
Sosumiup, down, down up, left, up, now left againMar 03 11:29
Sosumiwhen the additional 24 falls in my peripherical visionMar 03 11:30
Sosumitoo bad that I just can't nab someone else's 24 inches display just test a triple head setupMar 03 11:31
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MinceRhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HN3yZVKP9gMar 03 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Revolution in Ukraine: Dispatch from the Presidential Palace - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqo0m ]Mar 03 11:47
msbComments:  No mention of the Nazis? // Stay butthurt commie kike. // Thanks for proving my pointMar 03 12:05
msbNo mention of masked nazis in the streets with machine guns doing the armed takeover from an elected government.Mar 03 12:07
SosumiI wander where they got the armsMar 03 12:07
Sosumidid they assault an army depotMar 03 12:07
Sosumior did they get shipped from polandMar 03 12:07
MinceRafaik part of the armed forces switched sidesMar 03 12:07
SosumiyesMar 03 12:07
Sosumibut those are not the armed forcesMar 03 12:08
Sosumibut what appears heavily armed civsMar 03 12:08
MinceRwell, they might have distributed stockpilesMar 03 12:08
msbYanukovych did not build that palace with stolen money.  It was already there.  He moved into it when he was elected.  Just like Obomber didn't build the Whitehouse.Mar 03 12:11
MinceRcitation neededMar 03 12:11
Sosumiofc the anglo-american propaganda machine is going to use everything to legitimize the euromaiden or whatever they are calledMar 03 12:13
Sosumibecause it fits their agendaMar 03 12:13
Sosumito support descendants of nazi collaboratorsMar 03 12:14
msb"Viktor Yanukovych was elected President in 2010 with 48% of votes." -- Wiki MinceR: do you think he built that palace in 3-4 years?Mar 03 12:14
Sosumiand the petty fools supporting themMar 03 12:14
msbYes, the nazis were/are backed by the US and EU.  Mar 03 12:15
SosumiI remember the shicklegruber guyMar 03 12:15
Sosumibeing twice Time Magazine person of the yearMar 03 12:15
Sosumiand being heavily supported by Prescot BushMar 03 12:16
msbThe EU will inflict austerity upon the Ukrainians when they join the EU, sucking them dry to feed the banksters.Mar 03 12:16
Sosumiand the Ford Motor Company along othersMar 03 12:16
SosumiyepMar 03 12:16
Sosumiin factMar 03 12:16
Sosumithe ukraine joining the EU agreementMar 03 12:16
Sosumiwas a big noMar 03 12:16
MinceRmsb: the protester says he had it built in that periodMar 03 12:16
Sosumifrom the get goMar 03 12:16
Sosumiwhat the Eurogarchs had in mind was to transform ukraine into a dumping groundMar 03 12:17
Sosumibasically your little china in the middle of europeMar 03 12:17
Sosumithe EU ascension was never on the paperMar 03 12:17
MinceRi doubt that ukraine would start paying the EU more than what it would get from the EUMar 03 12:17
msbhttp://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis   American Businessmen Financed HitlerMar 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneMar 03 12:18
msbThe Ukraine nazis are also backed by George Soros.Mar 03 12:19
Sosumialso hitler was put in power to be a destabilization for russiaMar 03 12:19
MinceRalso hitler was in part inspired by marxismMar 03 12:19
Sosumias russia at the time having lost the russo-japanese war and after that suffering the bolchevik revolutionMar 03 12:19
Sosumialso sponsored by londonMar 03 12:20
Sosumiwas on the tilt of braking upMar 03 12:20
Sosumitoo bad that hitler turned west, right?Mar 03 12:20
Sosumiand took france, the sudated german land and so onMar 03 12:21
msbYes.  Hitler's job was to kill all the communists, socialists, social democrats, and trade unionists, all of whom were empowering workers and reducing   profits of wealthy capitalist owners.  That's why the capitalists supported Hitler.Mar 03 12:21
MinceRthat's an interesting concept of 'empowering workers'Mar 03 12:21
Sosumia very deranged face of capitalism...Mar 03 12:22
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MinceRi suspect msb wouldn't be trying so hard to prop putin up if he was forced to live under "socialism" for a whileMar 03 12:22
msbIt's an inevitable result of capitalism, since the wealthy get control of the govt.Mar 03 12:22
MinceRand dictators get control of all the wealthMar 03 12:23
msbMinceR: You have not yet come up with a way to  prevent capitalism from turning into corporatism/fascism as wealthy psychopaths control the govt and use it to increase their  profits.Mar 03 12:23
MinceRalso, i'm guessing yanukovych's loot must be under msb's suggested wealth limit :>Mar 03 12:24
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZeFDe44DdoMar 03 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Canyonero - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqo9q ]Mar 03 12:24
MinceRmsb: you have not yet come up with a way to prevent communism/socialism from turning into corporatism/fascism as the dictator takes over the entire government, appropriates most or all property in the state effectively as their own, and use it to increase their profits.Mar 03 12:25
DaemonFCSomeone tried to sell me a Ford Explorer.Mar 03 12:25
msbMinceR: Where's your proof that yanukovych has any "loot"?Mar 03 12:25
MinceRthe video linked above, for example.Mar 03 12:25
DaemonFCI asked them what kind of gas mileage it got. He said "About 8 mpg in the city, 12 on the highway.".Mar 03 12:25
DaemonFCWho could afford to drive that?Mar 03 12:25
msbMinceR: Do you think Obomber owns the Whitehouse?Mar 03 12:26
MinceRmsb: do i think the usa is socialist? no.Mar 03 12:26
MinceRmsb: do i think obomber is a dictator? no, he's a figurehead.Mar 03 12:26
msbMinceR: You can't answer simple questions, but have to lie to protect your fascist beliefs.Mar 03 12:27
MinceRmsb: no youMar 03 12:27
msbElected presidents don't own the presidential residences they live in.Mar 03 12:27
msbFord makes a hybrid SUV that gets about 32mpg.  An owner of one told me.Mar 03 12:28
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MinceRmsb: you're the fascist here, you're the one who props up the fascist dictator puppet of another fascist dictatorMar 03 12:29
msbThere is no dictator in democratic socialism or social democracy.Mar 03 12:29
MinceRyeah, there's no dictator in "people's democratic republics", right?Mar 03 12:30
MinceRbecause they've said all the wordsMar 03 12:30
MinceRwho cares what happens if you can't see beyond the symbolsMar 03 12:30
msbMinceR: Nicaragua and Vietnam elected their socialist governments.Mar 03 12:30
MinceRwe were discussing ukraine and russia, not nicaragua or vietnamMar 03 12:31
msbThe Scandinavian countries elect their social democrat govts.Mar 03 12:31
MinceRand vietnam "elected" their governments from a single choiceMar 03 12:31
MinceRlike communist hungary didMar 03 12:31
MinceR(the only candidate was the "patriotic people's fromt" candidate)Mar 03 12:31
MinceRs/mt/nt/Mar 03 12:31
msbMinceR: Yes, you must not admit that democratic socialism exists anywhere in the world.  That is the fascist view.  Hitler's view.Mar 03 12:32
MinceRmsb: yes, you must not admit that vietnam and north korea are dictatorships. that is the fascist view. hitler's and stalin's view.Mar 03 12:32
msbEisenhower said 80% of Vietnamese -- North plus South -- would have voted to unite under Ho Chi Minh if the US had not   prevented the election.Mar 03 12:32
MinceR"The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world's four remaining single-party socialist states officially espousing communism. Its current state constitution, which replaced the 1975 constitution in April 1992, asserts the central role of the Communist Party of Vietnam in all organs of government, politics and society."Mar 03 12:33
MinceRthis is what msb calls "democracy".Mar 03 12:34
Sosumihttps://i.4cdn.org/gif/src/1393763813654.gifMar 03 12:34
DaemonFCmsb: They weren't worried about gas mileage in the 90s.Mar 03 12:34
DaemonFCWhen my car was made, gas was about $1.10 a gallon on a bad day. :PMar 03 12:34
msbNorth Korea is a horrible dictatorship.  Vietnam is not.Mar 03 12:35
MinceRit might be less horrible than north korea, but it's still a dictatorshipMar 03 12:35
MinceRso long as the constitution locks a single party into all leadership roles, it will remain a dictatorship.Mar 03 12:36
msbThe US is a dictatorship -- ruled by the wealthy.Mar 03 12:36
MinceRrussia is a dictatorship, ruled by putin and his cronies.Mar 03 12:36
MinceR(who are wealthy, of course)Mar 03 12:36
msbWho were elected.Mar 03 12:37
MinceRjust like hitler.Mar 03 12:38
MinceRand all the communist/socialist dictators who care to hold sham electionsMar 03 12:38
MinceRlike in communist hungary, like in north korea and in vietnam.Mar 03 12:38
msbUS elections are sham.Mar 03 12:38
MinceRand in red china.Mar 03 12:38
MinceRno they're not, it's just that most of the voters are idiots.Mar 03 12:38
msbMinceR: you project Hungary onto the entire world.Mar 03 12:38
MinceRin the us, there _are_ multiple candidates on the ballotMar 03 12:39
MinceRin north korea, communist hungary, vietnam, etc. there are only state party candidates on the ballot.Mar 03 12:39
MinceRmsb: no, the entire eastern bloc was managed the same wayMar 03 12:39
msbNo, MinceR, the voters are lied to by the corporate media, so they don't know that the minority candidates would be much better for them than the Demoblicans.Mar 03 12:39
MinceRmsb: in fact, hungary was managed with a relatively light hand most of the time, afaik. ("happiest barrack")Mar 03 12:40
MinceRmsb: the voters have access to non-corporate media, if they cared, they could find out what's up.Mar 03 12:40
MinceRmsb: in the regimes you like to prop up, there's usually no access to non-government media or a free internet.Mar 03 12:40
msbMinceR: No, they don't know to look on the Web for news.Mar 03 12:40
MinceRmsb: also, dissenters tend to be deported or executed.Mar 03 12:41
msbIn social-democrat Scandinavia?Mar 03 12:41
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MinceRin the usa, dissent tends to be protected as free speechMar 03 12:41
MinceRscandinavia is not socialist.Mar 03 12:41
msbIt's social-democrat.  High taxation, long vacations, govt healthcare, ratio of max/min salaries = 8 or so.Mar 03 12:42
MinceRand yet you prop up some of the darkest dictatorshipsMar 03 12:44
msbSham democracy in the US with the voters lied to by the corporate media is no better than one-party state, and may be worse depending on policies.  There are Usians starving in the streets, and people are forbidden to feed them in parks.Mar 03 12:44
MinceRactually, it is better than the one-party stateMar 03 12:44
MinceRit takes a lot less to fix itMar 03 12:44
msbBut it never gets fixed.Mar 03 12:44
MinceRthat we can't know, as not all of time has passed yetMar 03 12:44
msbI support Russia only because it is countering the US which has murdered millions since 2001.Mar 03 12:46
msbRussia has not.Mar 03 12:46
MinceRso you support russia vs us just like the people you look down on support republicans vs democrats or the other way aroundMar 03 12:46
msbThe old "just like" lying propaganda technique.Mar 03 12:47
MinceRi wonder how many people russia has murdered in georgiaMar 03 12:47
msbYou can put any words you want in a person's mouth using that technique.Mar 03 12:47
MinceRyet you have no qualms about putting words in other people's mouthMar 03 12:47
MinceRapparently you consider yourself special, above the rulesMar 03 12:48
MinceRyou dream yourself in the position of a dictator one day, so you can't bring yourself to view them critically.Mar 03 12:48
MinceRand everyone who has a different opinion from you must be a "fascist" and a "nazi"Mar 03 12:48
msbMinceR: Hopefully the other people here know you are totally lying when you say things like that.Mar 03 12:49
MinceRmsb: hopefully the other people here know you're lying all the time.Mar 03 12:49
msbNo, people who support nazis, like the ones who took over Ukraine are fascists.Mar 03 12:49
MinceRand people who support dictators are saints, apparently.Mar 03 12:50
msbPeople who purposely confuse "authoritarian" and "fascist" concepts, do it to prevent communication.Mar 03 12:50
MinceRwhich of those two is holy?Mar 03 12:51
msbNeither is.  But democratic socialism and social democracy are not authoritarian.Mar 03 12:51
MinceRdepends on how you define thoseMar 03 12:52
MinceRyou seem to be flipping between "democratic socialism" as in Scandinavia and as in the eastern blocMar 03 12:52
MinceRas if those had anything in common at all.Mar 03 12:52
MinceRmaybe from a republican's viewpoint they're the same -- "hurrrr soshulizm"Mar 03 12:53
MinceRbut from mine they're very far apartMar 03 12:53
msbMinceR: you are lying again, or at least mistaken.  Scandinavia has social democracy -- high-order welfare state and strongly regulated capitalism -- not socialism.Mar 03 12:54
MinceRmsb: you're trying to confuse those things, not meMar 03 12:54
msb"<MinceR> you seem to be flipping between "democratic socialism" as in Scandinavia and as in the eastern bloc"Mar 03 12:55
msb3 minutes agoMar 03 12:55
MinceRyesMar 03 12:55
MinceRyou've proclaimed that vietnam is democratic and socialistMar 03 12:55
msbMinceR: you are lying again, or at least mistaken.  Scandinavia has social democracy -- high-order welfare state and strongly regulated capitalism -- not socialism.Mar 03 12:55
MinceRyou know what, you can keep your ad hominems to yourself.Mar 03 12:56
MinceRi'm tired of your bullshit.Mar 03 12:56
msbThen stop lying and using lying propaganda techniques.Mar 03 12:56
MinceRno uMar 03 12:56
MinceRhttp://img2.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/украина-россия-ссср-хороший-конец-1101892.gifMar 03 12:56
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msbhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war#Humanitarian_impact_and_war_crimes  Apparently a few thousand were killed.Mar 03 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russo-Georgian war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqojq ]Mar 03 13:05
msb"<MinceR> i wonder how many people russia has murdered in georgia"Mar 03 13:06
MinceRstop highlighting me.Mar 03 13:07
msbBut Georgia started that war by attacking South Ossetia.Mar 03 13:07
msbMinceR: I'm just quoting you.  All your lines mentioning "msb" come out in red for me.  I think the IRC clients are doing it.Mar 03 13:08
msbMy client is KDE4 konversation.  What is yours?Mar 03 13:09
msbMinceR: My IRC client is KDE4 konversation.  What is yours?Mar 03 13:11
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DaemonFCmsb: I still think we should sell Ukraine some A-10s and let them chase the Russians out with those. :)Mar 03 15:13
MinceRit wouldn't be enoughMar 03 15:14
MinceRalso, he doesn't want ukraine to chase the russians outMar 03 15:14
DaemonFCMinceR: According to Wikipedia, Ukraine doesn't spend very much on its military.Mar 03 15:16
DaemonFCRussia has been next door, spending billions on modernizing their own.Mar 03 15:16
MinceRa bunch of attack planes wouldn't change thatMar 03 15:17
DaemonFCPerhaps it was a bad idea to limit the military to 1.1% of GDP when you're next door to a hostile foreign country that is known to invade its neighbors and take whatever they want.Mar 03 15:17
MinceRperhaps they were forced to do soMar 03 15:18
DaemonFCYanukovich probably didn't care about crippling the military.Mar 03 15:18
DaemonFCHe's been in cahoots with Putin from the beginning.Mar 03 15:18
msbDaemonFC: Do you also, like MinceR, prefer the nazis that took control of Ukraine, instead of the elected govt that was allied with Russia? Mar 03 16:04
msbThe US always backs the worst dictators it can find for a country, because they keep workers from getting rights, which would reduce the profits of wealthy employers -- capitalists.Mar 03 16:06
MinceRas opposed to the propaganda to putin's, stalin's and mao's biggest fan here, the current government of ukraine isn't dominated by far right wingers.Mar 03 16:07
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_ministers_of_ukraine#CabinetMar 03 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cabinet of Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqpq3 ]Mar 03 16:07
msbMinceR is lying again.  I am no fan of Stalin or Mao.Mar 03 16:08
MinceRs/a to/a of/Mar 03 16:08
MinceRmsb is continually lying.Mar 03 16:08
MinceRmsb falls for all the propaganda tricks of communist/socialist dictatorshipsMar 03 16:08
MinceRto msb, an election where there's only one option, is a free election.Mar 03 16:09
*MinceR thinks msb should move to his beloved Cuba and thus fall off the internet.Mar 03 16:09
MinceR(he doesn't believe in freedom of speech or democracy, after all)Mar 03 16:10
msbMinceR is lying again.  I have never said, here or anywhere else, that I favor Stalin or Mao.Mar 03 16:10
MinceRjust their policies and tricks.Mar 03 16:10
MinceRnorth korea is another good option for msbMar 03 16:10
MinceRthough he'd probably have to get used to the flavor of tree barkMar 03 16:11
MinceRas his beloved "economic" "system" can not produce anything closer to food to the civilians there.Mar 03 16:11
msbMinceR cannot say anything about me but lies.Mar 03 16:11
MinceRmsb cannot say anything about anything but lies.Mar 03 16:11
msbAs to Cuba, people there are much better off than they were under the murdering torturing Batista, despite the US embargo, and the restrictions of the government.Mar 03 16:13
msbThose restrictions were put in place because of the many attacks against Cuba by the US.Mar 03 16:13
MinceRmore communist lies and propaganda from msbMar 03 16:13
MinceRand still he can't make the case that people could be as well off in a communist dictatorship as in any relatively democratic country with a relatively free market.Mar 03 16:14
msbThe US did the Bay of Pigs attack, and rained down swine flu and thrips insect pests upon Cuba, and financed fascist opposition.Mar 03 16:15
MinceRmsb's beloved russia did the holodomorMar 03 16:16
MinceRmsb's beloved red china did the "great leap forward"Mar 03 16:16
msbBatista was not democratic at all.  Cuba was called "The Whorehouse of the Caribbean" under him.  Women were slaves.Mar 03 16:16
MinceRand the "cultural revolution"Mar 03 16:16
msbAgain MinceR is lying.  I just said that I never have favored Stalin or Mao.Mar 03 16:17
MinceRonly their policies and their successorsMar 03 16:18
MinceRlike kgb boss putinMar 03 16:18
MinceRand their acts and their political systemsMar 03 16:18
msbPutin is far less restrictive than Stalin.Mar 03 16:18
MinceRwhich is saying a lot, because...Mar 03 16:18
MinceR(he still locked up pussy riot, though)Mar 03 16:19
msbYes, that was very bad, and made him look ridiculous to the world.  Scared of Pussy!  Fortunately they have now been released.Mar 03 16:20
MinceRwhich indicates only that he realized that it made him look bad.Mar 03 16:20
msbBut they are alive and unharmed.Mar 03 16:21
MinceRso they should count their blessings?Mar 03 16:21
msbPerhaps.Mar 03 16:21
MinceRbecause it would have been right for msb's favorite Saint Putin to torture them to death?Mar 03 16:21
msbAt least they got their message out to the world, ironically thanks to Putin.Mar 03 16:21
MinceRbut it's all right because they quote marxist bullshit instead of hitler's bullshitMar 03 16:21
MinceRwhat a difference.Mar 03 16:22
msbMinceR: is lying again:  "<MinceR> because it would have been right for msb's favorite Saint Putin to torture them to death?"Mar 03 16:22
MinceRcommunism is to economy what scientology is to psychology.Mar 03 16:23
msbMarxism is not bullshit.  Working people should get most of the profit of the businesses they work in, instead of most of it going to the wealthy owners.Mar 03 16:24
MinceRmarxism led dozens of economies into bankruptcy and millions of people into suffering.Mar 03 16:24
msbThat's done in some businesses in the US, which are called co-ops.Mar 03 16:24
MinceRit destroyed most of the states that adopted it as official ideology.Mar 03 16:24
MinceRmsb: how exactly is a question a lie?Mar 03 16:26
msbThe Bolshevik revolution was immediately attacked by armies from US, France, Germany, etc, which invaded and murdered millions.  Later it was attacked by the Nazis, which were financed by the US, England, and some wealthy Germans.Mar 03 16:27
MinceRthe bolshevik revolution also invaded many countriesMar 03 16:27
msbThose attacks caused the USSR govt to become authoritarian.Mar 03 16:27
MinceRthe one i happen to be living in suffered under it for decades.Mar 03 16:27
MinceRno, they did not.Mar 03 16:27
MinceRthe leaders of the ussr caused it to become authoritarian.Mar 03 16:28
MinceRof course, the phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat" probably didn't help.Mar 03 16:28
msbThe same as children who are attacked by psychopath parents and teachers adopt a psychopath personality, that fears and hates everyone.Mar 03 16:28
msbYes, that was a bad idea, along with "vanguard party".Mar 03 16:28
msbA question is a lie when it contains lies.  MinceR's question contained the lie "msb's favorite Saint Putin".Mar 03 16:30
MinceRooh, he isn't your favorite, then?Mar 03 16:30
MinceRwho is, then?Mar 03 16:30
MinceRkim jong un?Mar 03 16:30
MinceRfidel castro?Mar 03 16:30
MinceRadolf hitler?Mar 03 16:30
msbThat's a common lying propaganda technique. It's even done in phone surveys to influence voters.Mar 03 16:31
msbMinceR is so confused Mar 03 16:31
MinceRis 'never answering the point of a question' also a common lying propaganda technique?Mar 03 16:31
MinceRor is it specific to you?Mar 03 16:31
msbhe can't even remember what I said previously, even minutes ago.Mar 03 16:31
msbMinceR just lied again with that question.Mar 03 16:32
MinceRmsb just lied again with those sentences.Mar 03 16:32
MinceRsee, two can play this gameMar 03 16:33
msbIt's not a game.  I'm telling the truth.  I try to answer MinceR's questions unless they are pure evil lies, like "are kim jong un and adolf hitler your favorite?"Mar 03 16:34
MinceRno you're not.Mar 03 16:34
MinceRyou're saying communist phantasies.Mar 03 16:34
msbNamely?Mar 03 16:34
MinceRsee above.Mar 03 16:35
msbThat workers should have power over businesses?Mar 03 16:35
MinceRthat a state where there's only one option in elections can be a democracyMar 03 16:35
MinceRespecially if the constitution declares which one party should run everythingMar 03 16:35
msbWorkers having power over businesses is the main principle of marxism.Mar 03 16:36
MinceRironically, in your favorite states, workers don't have any power over anythingMar 03 16:36
MinceRthey're the slaves of the government, and the government gets to do with them as it wishes.Mar 03 16:36
MinceRif they offend the government, they get killed (or deported and then killed)Mar 03 16:36
MinceRthey usually aren't even allowed to leave.Mar 03 16:36
msbNot in Nicaragua, Vietnam, or Cuba.Mar 03 16:37
MinceRand of course the businesses are usually owned by the stateMar 03 16:37
MinceRcontrolled by the government.Mar 03 16:37
MinceRnot sure about nicaragua, but certainly in vietnam and cuba.Mar 03 16:37
msbPeople vote for which candidates they want, even if they are all in one party.Mar 03 16:37
MinceRso they don't get to decide anythingMar 03 16:37
MinceRis that so in nicaragua?Mar 03 16:38
msbYes, in Cuba they vote for industry and district leaders.Mar 03 16:38
MinceRi asked about nicaragua.Mar 03 16:38
msbYes, there were non-socialists running, and the socialists won by a large margins.Mar 03 16:38
msbin NicaraguaMar 03 16:38
MinceRit's ironic how you think that voting for candidates in one party is somehow less democratic than voting for a number of different candidates in different parties, two of which dominate and are controlled by the same businesses, and the rest of which are generally independent.Mar 03 16:39
msbThe US also has only one party, because Republicans and Democrats are all fascists who don't give workers any control over businesses.Mar 03 16:39
MinceRbut this sort of warped "thinking" is probably a prerequisite for accepting those dark, brutal, oppressive regimes that you champion.Mar 03 16:39
MinceRthe US has several other parties.Mar 03 16:39
MinceRand they're not excluded from elections by a government claiming that they're "fascists"Mar 03 16:40
MinceRunlike in the states you're advertisingMar 03 16:40
msbBut the controlled news media lies to the voters, so they never vote for anyone but Rs and Ds.Mar 03 16:40
MinceRwhich is worse than a government-controlled "news" media that feeds exclusively government propaganda to the citizens, while all alternatives are brutally shut down, how exactly?Mar 03 16:41
msbIt doesn't matter if there are other parties in the elections if the voters are mind-controlled by the corporate media so they don't ever vote for them.Mar 03 16:41
MinceRthe voters are not mind controlledMar 03 16:41
MinceRyour idols wish they could mind-control their slavesMar 03 16:41
MinceRbut even they can't do it, except maybe in north koreaMar 03 16:41
msbYes they are.  The US media never mentions social democrat or socialist candidates.  Even Ron Paul, who is very capitalist but anti-war, was not allowed in the debates, and his election votes were not presented to the public.  I voted for him.  Had to register Repug to vote for him in the primary.Mar 03 16:43
msbMinceR lies again " your idols wish they could mind-control their slaves"Mar 03 16:44
MinceRthey don't wish because they prefer torturing and murdering dissentersMar 03 16:45
MinceRit's more fun that wayMar 03 16:45
MinceRright?Mar 03 16:45
msbThe US media does feed "exclusively government propaganda to the citizens".  Corporate-controlled media does the same as govt-controlled media, but allows the govt to claim that there's freedom when there actually isn't.  Mind control, as engineered by Edward Bernays, is much more effective for than soldiers in the streets for controlling people, because with mind control the people don't know that they are slaves.Mar 03 16:47
schestowitz_log_http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1328595119727_864692.pngMar 03 16:48
MinceRin that case, mind control is effective on msbMar 03 16:49
MinceRthe united states does not forcefully shut down competing media.Mar 03 16:50
MinceRmsb would probably like it here in hungaryMar 03 16:50
MinceRhe can overlook the fundie ideology in russia, so it should work just the same here.Mar 03 16:50
msbMinceR is lying again: "msb would probably like it here in hungary".Mar 03 16:51
msbfundie?Mar 03 16:51
MinceRmsb just lied again with those sentences.Mar 03 16:51
MinceRfundamentalistMar 03 16:51
MinceRreligious fundamentalist, to be preciseMar 03 16:51
msbAlmost all JCI religion is harmful, including Russian Orthodox.Mar 03 16:52
MinceRafaik putin jailed pussy riot because they dared offend his (newly) precious offshoot of the kiddie-fuckers.Mar 03 16:52
msbCould be.Mar 03 16:52
msbthe united states does not forcefully shut down competing media -- true.  It just funds them with money from citizens via advertising, etc, and does not fund alternative media, which therefore cannot compete.Mar 03 16:54
msbAnd thus citizens don't see the alternative media, and so can't get the truth.Mar 03 16:54
MinceRthe barriers to entry have lowered considerably, enabling alternative media to compete.Mar 03 16:55
MinceRand msb does see alternative media.Mar 03 16:55
msbUnless they use the Internet, and the govt just shut down net neutrality, so now alternative media on the Net can be killed.Mar 03 16:55
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_RussiaMar 03 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Freedom of the press in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqq4t ]Mar 03 16:56
msbYes, I see it (and it is all opposed to the Ukrainian nazi takeover), but most Usians don't know about it.  Of course the corporate media never tells them.Mar 03 16:56
msbYears ago there was one program about computers and websites called "The Screensavers".  Comcast killed it.Mar 03 16:57
msbIt was a cable program.  It even mentioned Linux every week.  Comcast bought it, gradually fired all the people, and changed it to video games only.Mar 03 16:58
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_RussiaMar 03 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russian Internet blacklist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqq64 ]Mar 03 17:01
MinceRThe full content of the blacklist is available to ISPs, but not to the general public.Mar 03 17:01
MinceRi suppose this also matches msb's idea of government transparency.Mar 03 17:02
msbInterestingly, US media have never run a 911 truth program.  But Russia Today did!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vka7Da6e9LY&feature=shareMar 03 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Truthseeker: 9/11 & Operation Gladio (E23) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gplmx ]Mar 03 17:02
msbMinceR lies again!  " i suppose this also matches msb's idea of government transparency"Mar 03 17:03
MinceRof course it did, as it was after the "truth" in a competing powerMar 03 17:03
MinceRwould RT ever run a program exposing russian government lies?Mar 03 17:03
MinceRmsb: ah, so you do want government transparency?Mar 03 17:04
msbof courseMar 03 17:04
MinceReven though it is not an attribute of your favored states?Mar 03 17:04
MinceRi wonder what government transparency would look like in the ussrMar 03 17:04
msbThey are not my "favored states", but they are states in which socialism works.Mar 03 17:04
MinceR"xy told a joke about stalin we did not like so we put him on the train to siberia."Mar 03 17:05
MinceRyeah, and we can see how "well" it works.Mar 03 17:05
msbIt works fine in Nicaragua, and amazingly well in Cuba considering the US embargo.Mar 03 17:05
MinceRit must be amazing to keep all those heathen non-party-members off the internet.Mar 03 17:06
msbCuba has better medical care for poor people than the US does.Mar 03 17:06
MinceRyet here you are complaining about what comcast does.Mar 03 17:06
MinceRif you were in cuba, complaining about the state isp would end up with you in jail, in the good caseMar 03 17:06
MinceRin the bad case, they would simply murder you.Mar 03 17:06
MinceRthe governments you champion can't tolerate dissent.Mar 03 17:07
msbThat may happen in the US also.Mar 03 17:07
MinceRdo you have an example?Mar 03 17:07
msbJFK, RFK, MLK, Hunter S Thompson, all murdered by the govt.Mar 03 17:07
MinceRcitation neededMar 03 17:07
msbAlso John Lennon.Mar 03 17:08
MinceRalso, it's good that communist leaders weren't murdered by their comrades... oh wait.Mar 03 17:08
MinceRalso citation needed re John Lennon.Mar 03 17:08
MinceRalso, recent examples needed.Mar 03 17:09
MinceRmsb: what position do you imagine in, when fantasizing about living in cuba?Mar 03 17:10
MinceRmsb: what position do you imagine yourself in, when fantasizing about living in cuba?Mar 03 17:10
MinceR(left out a word...)Mar 03 17:10
msbI don't fantasize about it.  But if the SHTF here, I may wish I'd moved there.Mar 03 17:11
MinceRif you did, would you join the party?Mar 03 17:11
msbProbably not.Mar 03 17:18
msbre John Lennon: Mark Chapman was run by the US govt, but may not have been the actual shooter, since the bullet wounds were not inflicted from his location.  It was another man, with a history with the govt, who actually did it.  Chapman was a patsy, like Oswald.  But I haven't found the info yet -- read it years ago.Mar 03 17:31
msbThe real killer was an employee at the hotel.  Here's some of it:  http://www.freag.net/en/t/26ymo/was_john_lennonMar 03 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freag.net | Was John Lennon murdered by a CIA hitman? - .alt.obituaries [ http://ur1.ca/gqqfd ]Mar 03 17:33
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MinceRmsb: what's your professionMar 03 19:27
MinceR?Mar 03 19:27
msbelectronics, computer, software engineer   consciousness researcher   introduce music, cannabis, sharing etc from the 1960s, which I lived in, to the presentMar 03 19:29
Sosumimsb = marksman sniper bullseyerMar 03 19:29
Sosumiin other wordsMar 03 19:29
Sosumimsb killed JFKMar 03 19:29
Sosumi:PMar 03 19:29
msbI've never shot a gun, nor even held one.Mar 03 19:30
MinceRmsb: bad news -- you're a "class enemy" of communists, just like me :>Mar 03 19:31
MinceRhttps://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_060b9025f7fa592bcec0.jpgMar 03 19:31
Sosumilol wellMar 03 19:32
Sosumishoving aside the jokeMar 03 19:32
SosumiPeter Openheimer of crappleMar 03 19:32
Sosumijoined goldman "sucks" boardMar 03 19:32
MinceRis really Closedheimer?Mar 03 19:32
Sosumior was it goldman saxMar 03 19:33
Sosumior goldman suxMar 03 19:33
Sosuminever mindMar 03 19:33
Sosumiexpect the service to be much worst nowMar 03 19:33
MinceRgoldman sucksMar 03 19:33
Sosumigoldman sux is one of the banks doing money laudering for the abc agencies in the USMar 03 19:34
Sosumiand also one of the banks larsoning the portuguese government with the derivative tradeMar 03 19:35
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sebsebsebhiMar 03 20:07
sebsebsebjono: Ping I am trying to get some Ubuntu stuff for an event htat's coming up quite soon, did you get the onlne form I filled in,  to do with that? on suggeston of mmhalMar 03 20:28
jonosebsebseb, I approved itMar 03 20:42
jonoMichelle will be in touchMar 03 20:42
jonoshe is sending stuffMar 03 20:42
sebsebsebjono: awesome :)Mar 03 20:42
sebsebsebjono: thanks :)Mar 03 20:47
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jonosebsebseb, npMar 03 20:54
sebsebsebjono: oh yeah the costs are probably quite a lot more than that £60 I put,  I wasn't really sure of costs etc ath te timeMar 03 20:54
sebsebsebjono: ,but as long as got enough for say 60 to possibly even 80 people that's great :)Mar 03 20:55
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MinceRhttps://31.media.tumblr.com/d2f510deab12891149c9bf34a374339c/tumblr_n1vdtuuAP31sg3akro1_250.gifMar 03 21:32
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713719Mar 03 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Video Shows Man S...Mar 03 21:41
schestowitz__"#texas"Mar 03 21:41
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713415Mar 03 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Voice-recording s...Mar 03 21:42
schestowitz__"microphones should have a physical switch"Mar 03 21:42
msbMinceR: Good -- if Putin sticks his tongue out it means he has a sense of humor.Mar 03 21:42
MinceRthat's not how humor worksMar 03 21:42
schestowitz__he lies when his lips moveMar 03 21:42
MinceRindeedMar 03 21:43
schestowitz__Obama reads when his lips moveMar 03 21:43
MinceRthey might lie in other cases, tooMar 03 21:43
MinceRlike when their fingers moveMar 03 21:43
schestowitz__The TelePrompter presidencyMar 03 21:43
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713280Mar 03 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | This is hilarious...Mar 03 21:44
schestowitz__Maybe they want to verify their database and know the NSA has a more recent backup than they do."Mar 03 21:44
schestowitz__"Mar 03 21:44
schestowitz__Haha, good oneMar 03 21:44
schestowitz__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivT-I-yxtdYMar 03 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Pussy Riot attacked with whips by police at Sochi - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqsh6 ]Mar 03 21:47
msbMinceR: For you, Putin must not have a single good characteristic.Mar 03 21:47
MinceRmsb: if i were you, i would say: msb is lying yet again!Mar 03 21:48
msbMinceR: Tell me a good characteristic that Putin has.Mar 03 21:48
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3713177Mar 03 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | #Microsoft booste...Mar 03 21:48
schestowitz__"Perception management is job one."Mar 03 21:48
MinceRmsb: i'm not aware of anyMar 03 21:48
MinceRmsb: which doesn't mean there's noneMar 03 21:49
msbMinceR: Like I said...Mar 03 21:49
MinceRmsb: just that what he exposes to the general public is negative.Mar 03 21:49
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3711809Mar 03 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Venezuelan Open S...Mar 03 21:49
schestowitz__"Venezuela is becoming like Syria: one party is bad, the other is worse."Mar 03 21:49
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msbThe psychopaths that attacked Pussy Riot at Sochi were Cossacks, not police.Mar 03 21:56
msbSo not sent by Putin.Mar 03 21:57
MinceRand the ones who locked them up?Mar 03 21:57
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msbWhat are you talking about?Mar 03 21:58
MinceRinteresting, earlier today you knew what i was talking aboutMar 03 21:58
MinceRwhat happened? you received another dose of programming?Mar 03 21:58
msbStop lying, MinceR!  I asked what you mean by "<MinceR> and the ones who locked them up?"Mar 03 21:59
MinceRstop lying, msb!Mar 03 21:59
MinceRalso, do your masters feed you well for this?Mar 03 22:00
msbschestowitz__: From reading the article it seems like the violence is coming exclusively from anti-government fascist forces, not from the left at all.  So the Left party is not bad.Mar 03 22:05
schestowitz__VZ?Mar 03 22:06
msbYesMar 03 22:06
schestowitz__[10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI plans to open 650 new stores in the United States in 2014, creating good jobs that pay the bills without dumping most of their employees on government welfare, Walmart-style.Mar 03 22:15
schestowitz__GoodMar 03 22:15
schestowitz__[10:32] <DaemonFC> http://www.producenews.com/index.php/news-dep-menu/test-featured/11972-aldi-plans-to-open-650-new-storesMar 03 22:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.producenews.com | ALDI plans to open 650 new stores - The Produce News - Covering fresh produce around the globe since 1897. [ http://ur1.ca/gqndy ]Mar 03 22:16
schestowitz__[10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI offers health insurance to employees who work as little as 20 hours a week.Mar 03 22:17
schestowitz__[10:32] <DaemonFC> ALDI also has a dental, vision, and 401(k) plan that Walmart employees don't have.Mar 03 22:17
schestowitz__Same hereMar 03 22:17
schestowitz__Good conditions for workersMar 03 22:17
msbhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/staged-opposition-violence-in-venezuela-towards-a-colored-revolution/5368759Mar 03 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Staged Opposition Violence in Venezuela. Towards a “Colored Revolution”? | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqss9 ]Mar 03 22:24
msbhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855Mar 03 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Venezuela: Regime Change, Destabilization and the Hidden Hands of U.S. Capitalism | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqssp ]Mar 03 22:25
msbThe U.S. thinks it has found a formula for regime change, beginning with destabilization from within. Venezuela’s democratically elected government has long been a target. “Over the last decade or so we have seen this strategy attempted in Zimbabwe, Libya, Iran, and Syria.Mar 03 22:25
MinceRgnMar 03 22:47
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msbPaul Craig Roberts, whose articles are hosted on CRG (leftist) and Alex Jones infowars.com:  http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/20/ukraine-drifting-toward-civil-war-great-power-confrontation/Mar 04 00:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Is Ukraine Drifting Toward Civil War And Great Power Confrontation? - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/gqtzc ]Mar 04 00:48
msbAlex Jones is capitalist.Mar 04 00:48
msb...but features 9/11 truth.Mar 04 00:49
msbhttp://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/exposed-the-nazi-roots-of-the-european-union/Mar 04 04:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jonrappoport.wordpress.com | Exposed: the Nazi roots of the European Union « Jon Rappoport's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/gqvo6 ]Mar 04 04:24
qu1j0t3schestowitz__: no, Aldi can fuck right offMar 04 04:50
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DaemonFCUggh....Mar 04 05:47
DaemonFCmsb: Do not eat Wolf brand chili.Mar 04 05:47
DaemonFCI'm pretty sure I could run my car on what happens a few hours later.Mar 04 05:48
msbAy Caramba!Mar 04 05:49
msbBut isn't that just the beans?Mar 04 05:50
msbMaybe it's made from actual wolves?Mar 04 05:50
msbThe John Carpenter remake of The Thing From Outer Space taught us never to leave the house without our flamethrower, right?Mar 04 05:53
msbBut if you do, and you've eaten Wolf brand chili, you can just turn your back on the enemy, hold a lit match up to your ass, and fart!Mar 04 05:54
msbA twenty-foot long cloud of flaming methane!  Good for a whole family of monsters or criminals.Mar 04 05:58
msbGarlic used to do that for me -- a tragedy!  But not anymore!Mar 04 06:00
msbGet some Nature's Way  Pomegranate Standardized capsules, about $15 for 60.  Open one up, drain the powder into a cup of water -- distilled, of course -- and add a 1gr. saccharin tablet.  Wait a minute and stir.  Delicious, and full of ellagic acid, which is anti-cancer.Mar 04 06:04
msbIt's a beautifully symmetrical molecule:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellagic_acidMar 04 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ellagic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqwe2 ]Mar 04 06:06
msbThe caps are sealed, but you just bite off one end -- the very end -- and roll the cap between thumb and finger to make the powder come out the hole.Mar 04 06:09
msbStores don't carry saccharin tablets anymore -- the only non-harmful artificial sweetener.  But Amazon has it.  Mar 04 06:11
DaemonFCWell, that's better.Mar 04 06:11
msbHas nothing to do with garlic farts.  I'm just drinking some now.  Nice purple color.Mar 04 06:12
DaemonFCmsb: I don't know what it's made  from, but when you have to flush the toilet nine times to get rid of it....Mar 04 06:12
DaemonFCI think I'll throw the rest away.Mar 04 06:12
msbOMG!  Does it try to crawl out???Mar 04 06:12
DaemonFCI have no idea what must have been in that.Mar 04 06:13
msbThe worst monsters have whippy tentacles!  JC invented that in the remake of The Thing.Mar 04 06:13
msbWell, once it's out, do the thing with the lit match and the flame should put it down!Mar 04 06:15
msbOh the Humanity!Mar 04 06:17
msbhttp://hf.dilbert.com/2013-12-22/Mar 04 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hf.dilbert.com | The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more!Mar 04 06:18
msbMy favorite Dilbert!Mar 04 06:19
msbThe first "Thing" was great too!  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044121/combinedMar 04 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Thing from Another World (1951) [ http://ur1.ca/gqwju ]Mar 04 06:28
msbMargaret Sheridan was beautiful!Mar 04 06:29
DaemonFCSomeone pointed out that the Russian government had almost no debt.Mar 04 06:29
DaemonFCI noted that they can't afford to because nobody is giving them an extremely good interest rate.Mar 04 06:29
DaemonFCThe interest rate on government bonds in Russia has spiked to near record levels.Mar 04 06:30
DaemonFCThe record was set back in 1998, right before they defaulted on their debt.Mar 04 06:30
DaemonFCThe interest rates have been unusually high since then because they're still seen as a default risk.Mar 04 06:30
DaemonFCIf they did it once, they could do it again, so people demand higher returns.Mar 04 06:30
DaemonFCThe US has a high debt, but very low interest rates.Mar 04 06:31
DaemonFCIf you invest in US government debt, you're probably not going to beat inflation, so the government is actually making money with debt right now.Mar 04 06:32
msbMusic by Dimitri Tiomkin, one of the greats.  You can still get it on the Net, but I can't say how.Mar 04 06:33
DaemonFCThe US dollar's status as a reserve currency is on its way back up thanks to other governments kindly trashing their own economies.Mar 04 06:35
DaemonFC:)Mar 04 06:35
msbRussia has lots of gold in the ground.Mar 04 06:39
msbSince MinceR isn't here, I can say that without him telling me to go live there.Mar 04 06:40
MinceRmsb: stop lyingMar 04 06:53
msbCrap, he's here!Mar 04 06:54
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3711789Mar 04 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | "The menu bar and...Mar 04 07:13
schestowitz__"Ken has fantastic insight."Mar 04 07:13
MinceRhttp://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/hungary-an-election-in-question-part-1/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0Mar 04 07:24
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 04 07:28
DaemonFCThe Indiana state lottery is plugging part of the hole in the teacher pension program.Mar 04 07:28
DaemonFCI think that's a cruel irony. People with poor math skills funding teacher pensions.... LOLMar 04 07:28
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 04 07:49
DaemonFCSatan worshipers already have special rights because Satan worship is a religion.Mar 04 07:49
DaemonFCNAMBLA is a religion. They call it the Catholic Church. Mar 04 07:49
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 04 07:49
DaemonFC"Eye....Warship...Satin?"Mar 04 07:49
DaemonFC-John Ritter in Stay Tuned.Mar 04 07:49
DaemonFC:) Mar 04 07:49
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 04 08:03
DaemonFC"Conservatives believe strongly in personal accountability."Mar 04 08:03
DaemonFCLOL!Mar 04 08:03
DaemonFC65% of senior citizens are conservative, and most of them are on Social Security and Medicare, like their atheist hero Ayn Rand was.Mar 04 08:03
DaemonFCIf they're not going to tell me "thank you", then can't they please just shut up while they're spending my money? Mar 04 08:03
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 04 08:05
DaemonFC"It is the individuals responsibility to pull themselves up, not the government."Mar 04 08:05
DaemonFCAll life is sacred, until it gets hungry, or sick, or wants an education. Mar 04 08:05
MinceRhttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/opinion/brooks-putin-cant-stop.html?rref=opinionMar 04 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/gqxca ]Mar 04 08:05
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 04 08:07
DaemonFCEvery sperm is sacred. Every sperm is good. Every sperm is needed, in your neighborhood!Mar 04 08:07
DaemonFCEvery sperm is sacred. Every sperm is great! If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate! Mar 04 08:07
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DaemonFChttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-03/bank-rossii-raises-key-rate-150-basis-points-on-stability-risks.htmlMar 04 08:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com | Russia Raises Main Rate as Ukraine Crisis Threatens Economy - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/gqxfd ]Mar 04 08:15
DaemonFCIt looks like Russia's economy is getting ready to be thrown into reverse.Mar 04 08:15
schestowitz__mehMar 04 08:16
schestowitz__Nayve we'll give him a peace for our timeMar 04 08:16
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DaemonFChttp://www.indystar.com/story/money/2014/03/02/the-incredible-shrinking-work-force/5914315/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=Mar 04 10:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indystar.com | Indiana's incredible shrinking workforce: What is the cause? [ http://ur1.ca/gqyi8 ]Mar 04 10:12
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1DB2BRPNK6C9Mar 04 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The Pentagon cuts are almost all being taken out on soldiers and veterans, thanks largely to Republicans. [ http://ur1.ca/gqyq7 ]Mar 04 10:45
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 04 10:45
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/27/1280110/-Troops-face-devastating-one-two-punchMar 04 10:45
DaemonFCThe Pentagon cuts are almost all being taken out on soldiers and veterans, thanks largely to Republicans who voted down cost of living raises and a veterans benefits bill, yet demand protection for their expensive boondoggles and demand to purchase equipment that the military itself says it has no use for.Mar 04 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | Troops face devastating one-two punch [ http://ur1.ca/gqyq8 ]Mar 04 10:45
DaemonFCMany US soldiers are now so broke, that they need food stamps, which have also been drastically cut.Mar 04 10:45
DaemonFCThe irony of this is that big corporations are getting exactly what they asked for and then complaining that their businesses are in decline.Mar 04 10:45
DaemonFCSome Walmart stores rely on food stamps for 35% of their revenue, and blame the cuts for a large part of their 21% profit decline last quarter. Mar 04 10:45
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MinceRhttp://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/how-the-internet-reacted-to-russia-invading-ukraineMar 04 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeed.com | How The Internet Reacted To Russia Invading Ukraine [ http://ur1.ca/gqz51 ]Mar 04 11:40
msbNot one mention in that buzzfeed article about the Nazis that seized power in Ukraine by gun violence, and the US that supported them.Mar 04 12:26
MinceRputin is at least as much a nazi as thoseMar 04 12:29
MinceRhe's nationalist, he's christian fundamentalist and he's a dictatorMar 04 12:29
MinceRand msb here is propping him upMar 04 12:29
msbAnd for an article about "how the Internet reacted", not one mention of all the alternative news sites that did talk about the US-supported Nazis, from CRG on the left to Alex Jones on the right.Mar 04 12:29
MinceRonce again showing that the difference between commies and nazis is negligibleMar 04 12:29
MinceRmsb: stop lyingMar 04 12:29
MinceRputin is also a commie, having come from the top of the kgb, making him a communazi like viktor orbanMar 04 12:30
msbI'm not going to respond to MinceR anymore.  He lies, uses personal attacks and propaganda techniques, puts words in my mouth, changes the meanings of concepts, and is incapable of critical thinking.  It's useless to communicate with him.  I spent all of last night doing it, and it was a waste of time.Mar 04 12:33
MinceRmsb: stop lyingMar 04 12:33
MinceRmsb is a lying communazi propaganda hole who gets off to russian imperialist military conquest fantasiesMar 04 12:34
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Sosumimike larabel: my apple rmbp seems to already be starting to failMar 04 17:09
Sosumijust now on twitterMar 04 17:09
Sosumiwell, thank that the deficient cooling system crapple put on the thingMar 04 17:10
Sosumi*toMar 04 17:10
SosumiI actually think that one of the reasons crapple is implemented such deficient cooling solutions is not just for the "beauty" of the machineMar 04 17:11
Sosumibut because the higher heat stresses will also shorten the lifespan of the computerMar 04 17:11
Sosumihttps://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/440896428877942787Mar 04 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michaellarabel: my Apple rMBP seems to already be starting to fail.... Thinking of going back to @lenovo or @ASUSUSA for my next main #Linux ultrabook.Mar 04 17:14
Sosumialso, ultrabooks are failMar 04 17:15
Sosumihuge premium for portability at the expense of computationMar 04 17:15
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XFaCEschestowitz__: Top UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for child pornMar 04 17:26
XFaCEhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/top-uk-official-involved-in-national-porn-filter-arrested-for-child-porn/Mar 04 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Top UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for child porn | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/gr20j ]Mar 04 17:26
XFaCESosumi: should I say "of course"? :PMar 04 17:26
Sosumijust stating the factsMar 04 17:40
MinceRi can see the attraction in passive cooling, but not if it cooks the machineMar 04 17:49
MinceRi can also see the attraction in portability, as i'm tired of lugging my tablet pc around :>Mar 04 17:50
SosumibroMar 04 18:07
Sosumido you even lift?Mar 04 18:07
Sosumi:)Mar 04 18:07
MinceRyupMar 04 18:15
MinceRtoo much of it :>Mar 04 18:15
DaemonFCMinceR: Orban says you're safe from Vlad.Mar 04 18:45
DaemonFCDoes this make you feel better?Mar 04 18:45
MinceRDaemonFC: no. orban said many things, many of which were lies.Mar 04 18:45
MinceRi hope he has enough of a brain to stop the paks2 deal now, thoughMar 04 18:45
DaemonFCI heard that he's expected to "coast" to re-election.Mar 04 18:45
DaemonFCalong with the entire partyMar 04 18:45
MinceRyeah, hungarian voters are extremely stupid and orban fucked up the voting systemMar 04 18:46
DaemonFCsounds like IndianaMar 04 18:46
MinceRmuch worse than indiana.Mar 04 18:46
MinceRhere's the first article in a series that explains how hard the hungarian election system is fucked up:Mar 04 18:46
MinceRhttp://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/hungary-an-election-in-question-part-1/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0Mar 04 18:46
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DaemonFCoh... Paul KrugmanMar 04 18:47
MinceRin addition to that, almost all of the media is owned by orban and his croniesMar 04 18:47
MinceRand the law does not protect freedom of speech, but represses it.Mar 04 18:47
DaemonFCIndiana Republicans have a supermajority.Mar 04 18:47
DaemonFCThey can do anything they want.Mar 04 18:47
DaemonFCSo, instead of creating jobs, they're changing the topic from their corrupt policies and ineptitude to a gay marriage ban.Mar 04 18:48
DaemonFCWhich is impressive, since it's already banned.Mar 04 18:48
MinceRalso, proceeding with paks2 may require leaving the NATO, which would be another invitation for msb's favorite communazi to march in.Mar 04 18:48
DaemonFC"We have to ban it again in case those pesky courts get involved!"Mar 04 18:49
MinceRlolMar 04 18:49
DaemonFCThis ignores the fact that a federal court can strike down part of a state constitution.Mar 04 18:49
MinceRonly part of it?Mar 04 18:49
DaemonFCThe ban is in no danger in state courts, because the judges were appointed by the Republicans.Mar 04 18:50
DaemonFCAny part that violated federal law or the federal constitution.Mar 04 18:50
MinceRicMar 04 18:50
MinceRso making a gay marriage ban the whole of the constitution is no way out :>Mar 04 18:50
DaemonFCAlabama's constitution is the longest and worst-written constitution in the world.Mar 04 18:51
MinceRunlikelyMar 04 18:51
DaemonFCIt's full of racism and homophobia. Mar 04 18:51
DaemonFCI believe it even still says that women don't have a right to vote.Mar 04 18:51
MinceRhungary's would be a pretty good contender.Mar 04 18:51
Sosumiso they fear men in hungaryMar 04 18:51
DaemonFCThe federal courts have struck down lots of it.Mar 04 18:51
Sosumihomophobia = fear of menMar 04 18:51
MinceRit starts off with christian fundamentalist nationalist bullshit and the rest is so badly thought out they've already amended it four or five times in the last 4 years.Mar 04 18:52
DaemonFCIt also says that you have to be a Christian to hold a state office and that you have to swear an oath to God before you take office.Mar 04 18:52
DaemonFCThe federal courts struck that down too.Mar 04 18:52
MinceRhm, maybe alabama's is indeed worseMar 04 18:52
DaemonFCIndiana's starts out with a very Christian fundamentalist preamble.Mar 04 18:53
DaemonFCBut it proceeds to strong separation of church and state.Mar 04 18:53
gde33it isn't even in IndiaMar 04 18:53
gde33lolMar 04 18:53
DaemonFCIndiana's constitution states that people have a right to freedom from religion.Mar 04 18:54
DaemonFCOr having their money support it in any way.Mar 04 18:54
MinceRthat's nice. is it enforced?Mar 04 18:54
DaemonFCWell, yes and no.Mar 04 18:55
gde33what about keeping church and law seperate?Mar 04 18:55
gde33Dont you have laws like that?Mar 04 18:55
MinceRseparation of church and state implies thatMar 04 18:56
DaemonFCChurches aren't taxed, so they are getting a subsidy.Mar 04 18:56
gde33ah yes, "state" was what I was looking forMar 04 18:56
DaemonFCFederal courts have generally found that states must have a valid state interest in passing a law.Mar 04 18:57
DaemonFCThey've rationalized the gay marriage ban in every way you can think of.Mar 04 18:57
DaemonFCBut, the federal courts are striking them down left and right.Mar 04 18:57
DaemonFCThe US Supreme Court is expected to strike them all down within a year or two.Mar 04 18:57
gde33"valid state interests" *shrug*Mar 04 18:58
gde33so it is not the peoples government but it's ownMar 04 18:58
DaemonFC"Under the new election framework, the allied opposition parties cannot win a parliamentary majority, even if they gain more votes than the governing party. "Mar 04 18:58
DaemonFCMinceR: We have that.Mar 04 18:59
DaemonFCThe Democratic House candidates had 51% of the vote in 2012, but only got 46% of the House seats.Mar 04 18:59
DaemonFCThe Republicans run most of the states and drew House districts around the voters.Mar 04 18:59
DaemonFCThe Democrats would have to get 56% of the vote to be guaranteed a majority in the House.Mar 04 18:59
DaemonFCAlthough it would be achievable under the right circumstances with 53-54%Mar 04 19:00
gde33unfair but not a real problem as they really only represent 5% or soMar 04 19:00
MinceRDaemonFC: the playing field is much more tilted in hungary.Mar 04 19:00
gde33Not entirely on topic I admit, I keep comming back to the same thoughts, I'm always very motivated to do something for the greater good, until I talk with other people.Mar 04 19:00
MinceRespecially if you consider that they've handed out citizenships to people who don't even live here but support the nazis.Mar 04 19:01
MinceRand that they've unilaterally gerrymandered the whole country in one fell swoopMar 04 19:01
gde33My latest simplification is to make a website, then register people who actually care what their government does.Mar 04 19:01
MinceRand locked it into law that requires a 2/3 majority to change.Mar 04 19:01
gde33It seems most easy in the US where people are far more interested in the rule of lawMar 04 19:03
gde33With just a few million people globally we could accomplish great things.Mar 04 19:06
gde33a place where people holding opposing opinions can join forces, have something we can all agree about.Mar 04 19:08
MinceRit's a pity that we're opposed by people with massive amounts of resourcesMar 04 19:09
gde33we should compensate with ambitionMar 04 19:09
MinceRthey do not lack for ambition.Mar 04 19:10
gde33an organisation twice as big has something like 4 times as much influenceMar 04 19:10
gde33all we need to do is uniteMar 04 19:10
gde33Politicans cant oppose public opinion if it is well documentedMar 04 19:11
gde33they can only followMar 04 19:11
MinceRpublic opinion is determined by the masses who don't care and don't understand.Mar 04 19:12
gde33that is why I want to filter out the people who do care and make a public opinion from thatMar 04 19:12
gde33arguably those who couldn't care less are not worth asking for their opinionMar 04 19:13
gde33it just bothers themMar 04 19:13
gde33I could build quite the distributed intelect :DMar 04 19:14
gde33MinceR: imho one should never create an opinion for other peopleMar 04 19:16
gde33it is good to anticipate what people will do or say but try never mention it.Mar 04 19:17
gde33MinceR: For example: I already knew you didn't want to help me with the website. But I still have to aks you, my imagination isn't you.Mar 04 19:18
gde33Why would people be motivated if they cant accomplish something?Mar 04 19:22
gde33When the mechanism of choice accomplishes something the lack of motivation looses it's base.Mar 04 19:23
MinceRyou didn't ask me :>Mar 04 19:26
MinceRoh, this was that commit to hear an idea thing? i didn't recognize it.Mar 04 19:29
gde33MinceR: it was just an example, maybe not such a good one but if I have to navigate by anticipation I might as well kill myself today.Mar 04 19:34
MinceRicMar 04 19:38
MinceRdon't give upMar 04 19:38
gde33precicely!Mar 04 19:39
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msbMinceR lied about me again: "<MinceR> also, proceeding with paks2 may require leaving the NATO, which would be another invitation for msb's favorite communazi to march in."Mar 04 19:44
MinceRmsb: stop lying.Mar 04 19:45
gde33not very politically correct :PMar 04 19:46
MinceRhe never wasMar 04 19:46
gde33lets talk about the 150 year war against free energy inventors.Mar 04 19:47
gde33the academic argument seems to be that if you dont investigate something it doesn't exist.Mar 04 19:48
gde33just ignore it and it stops existingMar 04 19:49
msbPutin is not my favorite anything.  He is of value only as a counter to US fascism and mass murder.  Also "communazi" is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms.  The Nazis were financed by US capitalists to destroy the communists, socialists, social democrats and trade unionists, and they did, wherever they could find them.  The Nazis invaded Russia and murdered 16-20 million people.   http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis Mar 04 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneMar 04 19:49
MinceRyeah, totalitarian dictatorship is the opposite of totalitarian dictatorshipMar 04 19:50
gde33financed by US capitalists also to kill US citizensMar 04 19:50
MinceRand in msb's mind, there's no other option.Mar 04 19:50
msbgde33: Who, the Nazis?Mar 04 19:51
gde33unless we have something to agree about and work on together nothing said here will do anything :PMar 04 19:51
gde33msb: yesMar 04 19:51
msbBut the Nazis never invaded the US.Mar 04 19:51
msbHow would they kill US citizens?Mar 04 19:52
gde33in the great recession the US capitalists stripped down the citizensMar 04 19:52
gde33then send them naked to Europe to dieMar 04 19:52
msbin WW2Mar 04 19:52
msbWell, sort of, then.Mar 04 19:52
gde33just like people could chose to either go to Iraq or be unemployedMar 04 19:52
gde33a lot of weapons used cause veins in the brain to explode, it can take some months before the so called post traumatic stress kicks inMar 04 19:53
gde33then they kill themselvesMar 04 19:54
gde33the US government can just create money and employ people to do anything, killing brown people has to be the least productive choice.Mar 04 19:55
gde33if it is the only choice you dont have oneMar 04 19:56
gde33http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/30-percent-iraq-afghanistan-veterans-have-mulled-suicide-survey-v19795613Mar 04 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | 30 percent of Iraq, Afghanistan veterans have mulled suicide: survey - NBC News [ http://ur1.ca/gr3bx ]Mar 04 19:56
gde33cut unemployment by 30% !Mar 04 19:57
msbgde33: As to free energy, while I'd love it to be real, and while Stanley Meyer was obviously murdered, these days its very easy to distribute the info about any valid free energy technique so widely that murder can't silence it.  Yet nobody has done so.Mar 04 19:57
msbits --> it'sMar 04 19:58
gde33the information is alll over the internetMar 04 19:58
msbBut none of it works, or people would be building and selling them.Mar 04 19:58
gde33like I said, by not investigating any of it people claim to know what it isMar 04 19:59
msbWouldn't you pay hundreds of dollars for a Mar 04 19:59
gde33I'm going to have to call it BS sorry.Mar 04 19:59
MinceRmsb: stop lying.Mar 04 19:59
gde33take this for example:    BlackLight has produced millions of watts of power in a volume that is one ten thousandths of a liter corresponding to a power density of over an astonishing 10 billion watts per liter.Mar 04 19:59
msbBearden MEG if it worked?  But it doesn't.Mar 04 19:59
gde33beardens MEG was not good enough to use.Mar 04 19:59
gde33there are many others but, lets stick with Blacklight for a moment.Mar 04 20:00
msbThe patent says it generates tens of watts.  So it could be put in a box with a lightbulb socket on top, and the bulb would light indefinitely.  But it doesn't work at all.Mar 04 20:00
gde33they have formal lab results, university students working on their stuff.Mar 04 20:01
gde33blacklight power cant be debunked with a bearden straw man ;)Mar 04 20:01
msbOK, BlackLight is the one technology that I think is probably real.  But in about 20 years they have not produced anything for sale.Mar 04 20:01
DaemonFChttp://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-10/forint-plunges-as-goldman-sachs-warns-on-hungary-rate-outlookMar 04 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessweek.com | Forint Plunges as Goldman Sachs Warns on Hungary Rate Outlook - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/gr3dh ]Mar 04 20:01
gde33cant sell something if public opinion argues it not to existMar 04 20:02
DaemonFCMinceR: One of the retarded things that Republicans in Indiana did was spend money creating a commission to study how Indiana would fare if it had to become its own country because of the collapse of our federal government.Mar 04 20:03
msbNot so.  If it works, some people would buy it, and eventually everybody would buy it when they saw that it works.Mar 04 20:03
DaemonFCThe state would be in serious trouble.Mar 04 20:03
gde33DaemonFC: that doesn't sound like a bad idea?Mar 04 20:03
MinceRDaemonFC: well, it could help if it convinced them to not secede if secession turns out to be a bad ideaMar 04 20:03
gde33msb: that never happenedMar 04 20:03
DaemonFCThe state of Indiana gets way more out of the federal government than it puts into it.Mar 04 20:04
gde33msb: we've had inventors like this 150 years agoMar 04 20:04
gde33msb: a new one every year, it never happenedMar 04 20:04
DaemonFCMinceR: Secession is illegal.Mar 04 20:04
DaemonFCThere is no constitutional method for a US state to secede.Mar 04 20:04
MinceRDaemonFC: the constitution could be changed.Mar 04 20:04
MinceRunconstitutional methods could be employed.Mar 04 20:05
gde33DaemonFC: wouldn't such an investigation show that?Mar 04 20:05
msbI phoned them up once, and they said they'd never tested hydrinos for toxicity.  Since Randell Mills is and M.D., I find it very hard to believe that he hasn't fed some hydrinos to rats.  So maybe they are toxic.Mar 04 20:05
DaemonFCThat's highly unlikely.Mar 04 20:05
msband --> anMar 04 20:05
gde33DaemonFC: show what it gets out of the federal deal?Mar 04 20:05
DaemonFCMinceR: Well, first the state would need a military for the second option.Mar 04 20:05
MinceRDaemonFC: but if it turns out that it's pointless to fight for, then they have no reason to try.Mar 04 20:05
DaemonFCgde33: Federal block grants.Mar 04 20:05
MinceRDaemonFC: dunno, there are a few sovereign states without a military of their own.Mar 04 20:05
DaemonFCFederal highway funds.Mar 04 20:05
MinceR(one could question how sovereign they are, though.)Mar 04 20:05
DaemonFCSocial insurance coverage.Mar 04 20:06
gde33msb: my argument isn't that it must be real, it is that one cant argue something to be unreal without looking into it.Mar 04 20:06
gde33I'm not offended by liars who want money.Mar 04 20:06
DaemonFCThe federal government has the obligation to provide defense.Mar 04 20:06
MinceRDaemonFC: they could start, try and scrape the money together, and then fail hard.Mar 04 20:06
DaemonFCMinceR: Right. The state budget falls apart without the federal subsidies and bailouts.Mar 04 20:06
gde33if anything they would have to ballance the booksMar 04 20:07
DaemonFCThe Republicans are balancing Indiana's budgets on federal deficits.Mar 04 20:07
gde33which seems a cool ideaMar 04 20:07
msbgde33: Any inventor who wanted to publish complete FE creation info could do it safely on the Net now.  But they don't, because they want to make a profit.Mar 04 20:07
gde33msb: there are sooooo manyMar 04 20:07
gde33you imagine they don'tMar 04 20:08
msbBut for any of the 150 years of inventors who have published sufficient info, nobody has tried it and made it work.Mar 04 20:08
msbUnless you think they were all secretly murdered.Mar 04 20:08
gde33be realistic, how much money is there in energy?Mar 04 20:08
gde33kill one guy is a big deal now?Mar 04 20:09
msb$trillionsMar 04 20:09
gde33after all the petroleum wars?Mar 04 20:09
gde33they have trillions to divide, surely there is enough money there to kill someone?Mar 04 20:09
msbHow would the fascists find all the people trying to duplicate FE in their basements?Mar 04 20:09
gde33or at least scare them properly?Mar 04 20:09
msbBefore they revealed success in public.Mar 04 20:09
gde33good questionMar 04 20:09
gde33actually they dont, people publish things then they get ignoredMar 04 20:10
msbYes, isn't it.Mar 04 20:10
gde33only if they dont get ignored they are made to shut upMar 04 20:10
gde33Meyer got patents in canada and international patents, that was why they couldn't shut him down under national security lawsMar 04 20:10
gde33all the others did get silencedMar 04 20:10
gde33while the general public laughed at them Mar 04 20:11
msbIf anyone built a successful FE machine, they could write the complete info on a sheet of paper, xerox 10,000 copies, and send it to so many people that a few of them would also duplicate it.Mar 04 20:11
msbThat would prevent getting silenced.Mar 04 20:11
msbNobody has ever done it.Mar 04 20:11
gde33they could, then nothing would happenMar 04 20:11
msbWouldn't you build one?  I certainly would.Mar 04 20:12
gde33you could be one of the few who would build the replicationMar 04 20:12
gde33then you would be added to the laughing stockMar 04 20:12
msbAnd you also, right?Mar 04 20:12
gde33anyoneMar 04 20:12
msbI don't care if people laugh at me.Mar 04 20:12
gde33some are that strongMar 04 20:13
msbHell, I'd build and sell them, and laugh all the way to the bank.Mar 04 20:13
gde33evidently you didnt ;)Mar 04 20:13
msbBecause there aren't any that work (except maybe blacklight).Mar 04 20:14
gde33that suggests you have a list with all of them on itMar 04 20:14
gde33you have no such listMar 04 20:14
msbThere's dozens of them on a yahoo list who built MEGs.  None of them worked.Mar 04 20:14
gde33when the claim is made you have to fly there and observe it first hand before the NDA's are signedMar 04 20:15
gde33you have only a tiny window to see anythingMar 04 20:15
msbWell that's the problem.  If they want to make a profit, and have people sign NDAs, then that kills it, because they can be killed or scared off.Mar 04 20:15
gde33I'm not impressed by the evidence presented, evidence for a claim it didnt work is entirely unconvincing.Mar 04 20:16
msbIt has to be publicized widely.  Has to be made public anyhow for a patent.Mar 04 20:16
gde33technology is bought by an organisation buying such thingsMar 04 20:17
msbgde33: So have you ever built any FE machines, if that's the way you feel?Mar 04 20:17
gde33then they sell the technology to big energy playersMar 04 20:17
msbOf course.Mar 04 20:17
gde33I've tried to talk with scientists about the many claimsMar 04 20:17
msbThat's why the entire info has to be made public and spread widely.Mar 04 20:17
gde33I listened to their response, they are always 100% convinced before even reading something.Mar 04 20:18
gde33they are so convinced there is nothing there that they are offended by the question.Mar 04 20:18
msbBut you don't need to be a scientist to build one.Mar 04 20:18
gde33it would help to get at least some of them on the good sideMar 04 20:18
msbI could build a cyclotron or an electron microscope on my kitchen table.Mar 04 20:18
msbHelp what?  Any skilled DIYer could build one without the approval of any scientist.Mar 04 20:19
gde33if you try to set up any sort of community it will be destroyedMar 04 20:20
gde33websites vanish Mar 04 20:20
gde33it is not a climate anyone can work inMar 04 20:20
msbBS.  The info can be sent to 1000 yahoo lists and a dozen websites.Mar 04 20:20
gde33it can be, more usually someone makes a whole website dedicated to a topicMar 04 20:21
gde33when that vanishes it takes most if not all of the information with itMar 04 20:21
msbThen someone could go to a safer country than the US with good internet and make a dozen websites and post to 1000 yahoo and other mailing lists.Mar 04 20:22
msbThat would give tens of thousands of people copies of the info on their home computers.Mar 04 20:22
gde33work your ass off to give a trillion euro invention away?Mar 04 20:22
gde33to people who dont want it?Mar 04 20:22
msbThe murderers can't work fast enough to stop that, or to kill or secretly threaten tens of thousands of people.Mar 04 20:23
msbPatent it and license the patent.Mar 04 20:23
gde33take the oil spill for example, Pantone's GEET engine can just run on 80% salt water + some sort of petroleum productMar 04 20:23
gde33there are about 5000 replications of thatMar 04 20:24
gde33in france they tried to arrest people for using the illegal modification but they just gave upMar 04 20:24
msbAre you sure?  I've talked with Pantone and even given him a few dollars.  But why would anyone put salt water into an engine or any convertor?Mar 04 20:24
gde33it is a plasma reaction, it doesnt matter what you put in itMar 04 20:25
gde33it will run on suggar water + old oilMar 04 20:25
msbSorry, plasma reactions depend very much on what you put in them.Mar 04 20:25
gde33the science just wasn't done on itMar 04 20:26
gde33no one claims to know what is going onMar 04 20:26
gde33all we know is that the exhaust is clean airMar 04 20:26
msbHe said there's a blue glow, so maybe it's orgone.Mar 04 20:26
gde33that was established by people trying to shut him downMar 04 20:26
msbBut they haven't, and he or his son are still teaching classes in it.Mar 04 20:26
gde33he is just a crazy guy of courseMar 04 20:26
gde33we cant expect him to leverage the techMar 04 20:27
gde33they put him in a mental institution for 5 years, tortured him into a wheelchairMar 04 20:27
msbWell if it's really giving super gas mileage it should catch on eventually.Mar 04 20:27
msbYes, I know.Mar 04 20:27
gde33he is alergic to peniciline, they gave him daily shotsMar 04 20:28
gde33turning him into a sort of walking corps / zombieMar 04 20:28
msbHis mind is fine.Mar 04 20:28
gde33more paranoid than everMar 04 20:28
gde33when he started promoting the technology he was actually richMar 04 20:28
msbWith good reason, but still teaching.Mar 04 20:28
gde33he had a lot of houses he rented to peopleMar 04 20:28
gde33those all got smashedMar 04 20:28
msbI don't know why the ghouls don't just kill him, but they haven't.  Thank Goddess.Mar 04 20:29
gde33http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQjCURl54EMar 04 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | NBC shows OIL SPILL SOLUTION, GEET - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gr3mb ]Mar 04 20:29
gde33MIT build something like it a while backMar 04 20:31
gde33then it was shut down again lolMar 04 20:31
gde33http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUNoQLzj00EMar 04 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | MIT Plasmatron Principles of the Pantone GEET - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gr3mw ]Mar 04 20:31
gde33MIT patent is form 1995Mar 04 20:35
gde33meyer was using something much like itMar 04 20:37
gde33just to boost efficency ofcMar 04 20:37
gde33it isnt perpetual motion, there are many unused combusion engine improvements.Mar 04 20:38
gde33a british inventor claims he build one with a single moving part :DMar 04 20:38
msbgde33: Thanks, those videos are encouraging!Mar 04 20:43
gde33it begs to wonder wtf happened?Mar 04 20:43
msbSomebody posted to usenet a mod to a lawnmower engine to make it run on water.  The sparkplug was replaced by something else, but I can't remember what.  I must have a copy of the article somewhere, but so far I haven't found it.Mar 04 20:44
gde33meyer eventually reduced his whole contraption to the size of a spark plugMar 04 20:45
msbNow I remember.  It was an oven magnetron, just like in MIlls simple H/He demo.Mar 04 20:45
msbI wish Meyer had published it widely.Mar 04 20:45
gde33if the [racing spark plug] spark has enough voltage the engine can run on watter, it is just hard to make it efficent.Mar 04 20:46
gde33I think it was 20 kv, then the amps dropMar 04 20:47
msbIf it's over-unity, people would pay attention.  If not, it's just a steam engine.  8^)Mar 04 20:47
msb...running on electricity.Mar 04 20:47
gde33have to register it as an electric carMar 04 20:48
gde33because the exhaust isn't enough to get the offical measurement results.Mar 04 20:48
gde33(exhaust measurements)Mar 04 20:48
msbPresumably water engines split the water and use the hydrino effect on the resulting hydrogen.Mar 04 20:49
msbBut I still worry that hydrinos are toxic.  Deuterium oxid -- heavy water -- is.Mar 04 20:49
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/official-who-set-guidelines-british-internet-porn-filters-arrested-child-porn-chargeMar 04 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Official Who Set Guidelines For British Internet Porn Filters Arrested On Child Porn Charges | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gr3ug ]Mar 04 20:51
Sosumiif I wanted to get rid of someoneMar 04 20:51
msbI used to be on the vortex-l alt. energy list, but the bastard kicked me off for one post supporting someone who posted about energy politics.  And after I'd helped him with his list software!Mar 04 20:52
SosumiI'd plant child pron on his computerMar 04 20:52
msbI should download all the archives and see if there's anything interesting there.Mar 04 20:52
gde33msb: controlled oppositionMar 04 20:52
Sosumior modify logsMar 04 20:52
msbCould be.Mar 04 20:52
msbHard to diffentiate between evil and stupidity.Mar 04 20:53
gde33not that hardMar 04 20:53
msbSosumi: Cracking is something I've never gotten into.Mar 04 20:53
msbSometimes not that hard.  Mar 04 20:54
Sosumicracking is a mandatory skill in this day and ageMar 04 20:54
msbBlackLight now claims to have something like a hydrino fuel-cell.  Quite simple.  Mar 04 20:54
msbGenerates electricity directly.Mar 04 20:55
gde33Sosumi: on the other hand he got what he deservedMar 04 20:55
SosumiyepMar 04 20:55
gde33these half truths used to filter the whole web?Mar 04 20:55
msbWho did?Mar 04 20:55
gde33the child pornographer internet filter guyMar 04 20:56
msbHaven't heard of that.  What did he do?Mar 04 20:56
gde33sosumi just posted a linkMar 04 20:56
gde33http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/07/29/how-internet-in-the-uk-is-sleepwalking-into-censorship/ the filtering isn’t just of porn, rather it includes nine other categories, such as “esoteric material,” “web forums,” and “extremist and terrorist related content.”Mar 04 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libertyblitzkrieg.com | How Internet in the UK is “Sleepwalking into Censorship” | A Lightning War for Liberty [ http://ur1.ca/gr3y8 ]Mar 04 20:57
msbEsoteric material???  Extremist?  Web forums!!!  Mar 04 21:01
msbTime to start mesh wifi, laser links, DIMar 04 21:01
gde33hahaMar 04 21:01
msbDIY fiber, etc.Mar 04 21:01
gde33yeah!Mar 04 21:01
gde33mesh netwerked dronesMar 04 21:02
msbWhat's that wonderful movie with the "eat me beat me girl" ?Mar 04 21:03
gde33The pirate bay will be hosted on drones if the establishment wants itMar 04 21:03
msbPump Up The Volume -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/combinedMar 04 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pump Up the Volume (1990) [ http://ur1.ca/gr3zr ]Mar 04 21:04
msbChristian Slater runs a pirate radio station for highschool kids.  Samantha Mathis is the EMBM girl.  Super-great movie, and  a wonderful kicker at the very end.Mar 04 21:05
gde33ill download it :)Mar 04 21:17
msbGreat songs, too!  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/soundtrackMar 04 21:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pump Up the Volume (1990) - Soundtracks - IMDb [ http://ur1.ca/gr43g ]Mar 04 21:18
Sosumimsb, smoke signals + pattern recognition > allMar 04 21:24
msbSosumi: ???Mar 04 21:25
Sosumijust joking <msb>: (...) mesh wifi, laser linksMar 04 21:26
MinceRmsb's dreamland >> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-19-2014/jason-jones-live-from-sochi-ish---better-off-redMar 04 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailyshow.com | Jason Jones Live From Sochi-ish - Better Off Red - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 02/19/14 - Video Clip | Comedy Central [ http://ur1.ca/gr45g ]Mar 04 21:27
MinceRand he has the nerve to call others "republican"Mar 04 21:27
msbMinceR lies again.  I guess he'll never stop.  He's obssessed with "commies".   "<MinceR> msb's dreamland"Mar 04 21:36
MinceRmsb: stop lying.Mar 04 21:36
msbobsessedMar 04 21:36
MinceRmsb: stop lying.Mar 04 21:36
msbHe just attacks out of the blue, when the discussion has nothing to do with "commies".  He's nuts.Mar 04 21:37
MinceRmsb: stop lying.Mar 04 21:38
MinceRhe mad.Mar 04 21:40
MinceRit's cute how only msb is allowed to attack people.Mar 04 21:41
MinceRjust like only putin is allowed to attack other countries and only yanukovych and putin are allowed to have unlimited wealthMar 04 21:48
gde33You are both easily baited, makes for a healthy relationship imho.Mar 04 21:50
gde33hahahaMar 04 21:50
gde33just use the doctine of universal loveMar 04 21:51
MinceRit doesn't workMar 04 21:51
gde33not for you personally, but it works for everyone arround youMar 04 21:51
MinceRit doesn't really work for anyoneMar 04 21:51
MinceRespecially so long as the majority is predisposed toward harming everything they can reachMar 04 21:52
gde33people are mostly a product of their environmentMar 04 21:52
MinceRone person doesn't make an environment.Mar 04 21:52
gde33sure, people tried to hurt and punish me for each good deadMar 04 21:52
gde33thats just who they areMar 04 21:53
MinceRand that's the people you're stuck with.Mar 04 21:53
gde33I'm not going to recompile my whole personality just because some retard posted a dysfunctional patchMar 04 21:53
gde33I'm not influenced by itMar 04 21:53
MinceRwell, not by patchesMar 04 21:53
MinceRnot necessarily, i meanMar 04 21:54
gde33I might be stuck with them, they are stuck with themselves.Mar 04 21:54
gde33On the other hand, if humans would live forever I would kill all of them.Mar 04 21:56
gde33all these knee jerksMar 04 21:56
MinceR:>Mar 04 21:56
gde33but why bother?Mar 04 21:56
MinceRthey'd beat you to it.Mar 04 21:56
msbI'm not that easily baited.  Once I find that discussion with someone is useless/impossible, I bow out, as I did some hours ago.  But when he directly lies about me, I may correct it.Mar 04 21:56
gde33nah they are much to dumb Mar 04 21:56
MinceRmsb: stop lying.Mar 04 21:56
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gde33I always encurage people who lie about meMar 04 21:57
MinceRdoes it work?Mar 04 21:57
gde33sure, I'm having a ton of funMar 04 21:58
gde33it is not like such efforts accumulate to anythingMar 04 21:58
MinceRi guess i'll give it a tryMar 04 21:58
gde33If I admire the person, then their opinion may be upsetting.Mar 04 22:03
gde33but only in relevant context :DMar 04 22:03
MinceRhttp://ct.fra.bz/il/fz/se/i37/2/7/9/f_9bb5c4815d.jpgMar 04 22:18
gde33hahaMar 04 22:19
MinceRhttp://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-1-10-americans-html-std-study-finds-20140304,0,1188415.story#axzz2v1QcBT6rMar 04 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latimes.com | 1 in 10 Americans think HTML is an STD, study finds - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/gr4lo ]Mar 04 22:21
SosumiyesMar 04 22:24
Sosumiuse plain txt onlyMar 04 22:24
Sosumi*textMar 04 22:24
Sosumi:)Mar 04 22:25
gde33hyper sexMar 04 22:25
MinceR:DMar 04 22:26
SosumilawlMar 04 22:30
Sosumi:)Mar 04 22:30
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gde33I just noticed how easy you can find people endorsing drone killings on the internet.Mar 04 23:51
gde33Apparently they have no imagination, a few decades from now they will be the first targets.Mar 04 23:51
gde33When everyone has oneMar 04 23:51
gde33https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/25/tried-silence-drone-victim-kareem-khan/Mar 04 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | Who Tried to Silence Drone Victim Kareem Khan? - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gr5c1 ]Mar 04 23:52
gde33if they can abduct people from their house just like that they dont even need dronesMar 04 23:53
gde33they seem not to grasp how nasty these things areMar 04 23:54
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Samizdatgreat God Jesus, there is some life left on IRCMar 05 05:45
Samizdat(we think there is, anyway -- we'll reserve final judgment for whether there's any posts but these two of mine over the next, say -- what's a fair number -- twelve hours)Mar 05 05:48
Samizdatpardons, make that three: we said "mine" but meant to say "ours"Mar 05 05:52
tessierSamizdat: eh?Mar 05 06:18
tessierThere is no God Jesus btw. That's just a myth.Mar 05 06:18
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MinceR:>Mar 05 06:52
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msbI think there was a Jesus, said some good things.  But not a god.Mar 05 07:08
msbIf You Use That Which Is Within You, Nothing Outside Of You Can Harm You.  If You Do Not Use That Which Is Within You, Nothing Outside Of You Can Save You. ~ Jesus, the Christ in The Gospel of ThomasMar 05 07:12
msbSome Cathars believed that Jesus had been a manifestation of spirit unbounded by the limitations of matter -- a sort of divine spirit or feeling manifesting within human beings. Many embraced the Gospel of John as their most sacred text, and many rejected the traditional view of the Old Testament -- proclaiming that the God of the Old Testament was really the devil, or creative demiurge. They proclaimed that there was a higher God -- the Mar 05 07:15
msbTrue God -- and Jesus was or is the messenger. ... Mar 05 07:15
msb.Mar 05 07:16
msbThe God found in the Old Testament had nothing to do with the God of Love known to Cathars. The Old Testament God had created the world as a prison, and demanded from the "prisoners" fearful obedience and worship. This false god was in reality -- claimed the Cathari -- a blind usurper who under the most false pretexts, tormented and murdered those whom he called, all too possessively, "his children". The false god was, by the Cathari, Mar 05 07:16
msbcalled Rex Mundi, or The King of the World.    -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars Mar 05 07:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Catharism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMar 05 07:16
msb.Mar 05 07:17
msb38:58 The container was buried somewhere in the Middle East eons ago by ... the father of Satan, a god who once walked the Earth before Man but was somehow banished to the dark side. Apparently the father buried his son inside the container. Now later on here, Christ comes to warn us.  He was of  extraterrestrial ancestry but a human-like race.   40:35 Finally they determined Christ is crazy, but he's also gaining power, converting a lot Mar 05 07:18
msbof people to his beliefs, so they kill him. But his disciples keep the secret and hide it from civilization until man could develop a science sophisticated enough to prove what Christ was saying.     -- Prince of Darkness -- John CarpenterMar 05 07:18
msbPrince of Darkness is a wonderful movie!Mar 05 07:19
msbWritten and directed by John Carpenter (a JC).Mar 05 07:20
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msbgde33: Ping!Mar 05 09:08
zootgde33: Ping!Mar 05 09:12
gde33heyMar 05 09:14
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msbgde33: just wondering if you're seeing that stuff I posted about Jesus/Cathars about 2 hours ago.Mar 05 09:15
gde33sureMar 05 09:16
msbCool!  It occurred to me to wonder if a certain person with op privileges might be playing tricks.Mar 05 09:17
msbI don't know much about IRC.Mar 05 09:17
gde33you can always open the web chat and see if your messages are showing upMar 05 09:18
msbI did that, but only after I had posted the stuff, so it's not there.  But what I'm typing now is.Mar 05 09:19
gde33are you trying to make some sort of point with the quote? It seems to escape me.Mar 05 09:20
msbhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CatharsMar 05 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Catharism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMar 05 09:22
msbThe Cathars were all systematically murdered by the Catholic Church/Pope(s).Mar 05 09:23
msbNo specific point.  Somebody mentioned Jesus a couple hours before so I thought I'd post some info about him that I find quite interesting.Mar 05 09:24
gde33It reminds me of: Think twice before joining an organisation because you will be held responsible for the deeds of others.Mar 05 09:24
gde33After you sign up you have no excuse Mar 05 09:25
msbThe Cathars too found the god of the OT/NT to be a genocidal psychopath.Mar 05 09:25
msborganization being the Cathars?Mar 05 09:26
gde33sure, that was the success formulaMar 05 09:26
gde33any organisationMar 05 09:26
msbOn our planet, people are often murdered for telling the truth.Mar 05 09:26
msbPandemic psychopathyMar 05 09:27
gde33telling the truth isn't free :PMar 05 09:27
gde33the thing we lack is people killing the liarsMar 05 09:28
msbhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYMar 05 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ]Mar 05 09:28
msbWidespread use of critical thinking would render the liars powerless.  Much better than killing them.Mar 05 09:29
msbKilling them sets a bad example, because the criteria for choosing those to be killed -- or for detecting liars -- are quite complex.Mar 05 09:30
msbThat's why we have trials by jury.Mar 05 09:31
gde33ironically, I see the lack of a link to the documentary here as an act of psychopathy/lack of empathyMar 05 09:31
msblack of a link to what documentary?Mar 05 09:32
gde33?Mar 05 09:33
msbThe Verstappen docu that I just posted about?Mar 05 09:33
gde33it talks about the documentary without linking to itMar 05 09:33
gde33that is how intelligence agencies kill things onlineMar 05 09:34
gde33talk about them all over the web, but never link to itMar 05 09:34
gde33it is a small thing to doMar 05 09:34
gde33but at the end of the day the link is what makes or kills online presenceMar 05 09:35
msbDo you mean Verstappen's docu "Defense Against the Psychopath" ?Mar 05 09:36
gde33I'm not going to explain how the internet works, sorryMar 05 09:37
gde33it's to much work, and to obviousMar 05 09:37
gde33if there is a link: then people can visit a websiteMar 05 09:38
gde33if there is no link: then they cantMar 05 09:38
gde33no link = deathMar 05 09:38
msbIf that's the documentary you mean, it's easy to find with a search of Youtube.  It's here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgGyvxqYSbEMar 05 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Defense Against the Psychopath (Full length Version) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grab6 ]Mar 05 09:39
gde33is global research tv your channel?Mar 05 09:39
msbNo.Mar 05 09:39
gde33omg I'm so confused you dont get what I meanMar 05 09:40
gde33where to begin.....Mar 05 09:40
gde33how do you think things get popular online?Mar 05 09:40
gde33by telling people to search in google? that is how people first find facebook etc by searching in google?Mar 05 09:41
gde33or is it that face book has billions of links pointing at it?Mar 05 09:41
gde33could it be significant?Mar 05 09:41
gde33I have something like 20 thousand web pages, no one ever bothered to link to any of them.Mar 05 09:41
msbLooks like it's run by CRG or by James Corbett (who's connected with CRG).Mar 05 09:41
gde33everyone is basically working really hard to make the corporate owned internetMar 05 09:42
gde33the PSYCHO WEBMar 05 09:42
gde33if you look at news articlesMar 05 09:42
msbTrue.  But once a person contacts one site of alternative news, it leads to others.Mar 05 09:42
gde33you often see them carefully avoid linking to the things they talk aboutMar 05 09:42
gde33it was just an exampleMar 05 09:44
gde33msb: the guy who did the interview never even considered helping to promote the documentary!!Mar 05 09:45
gde33maybe that is a bit over the hill, he does mention itMar 05 09:46
msbCorbett's a very good guy.  I'm sure that was just an oversight.Mar 05 09:46
gde33sure, and as a single event it isn't a big dealMar 05 09:46
gde33but when hundreds of millions of people do this.....Mar 05 09:46
gde33then soon you will have only face bookMar 05 09:46
gde33maybe it is just me, that idea just horrifies meMar 05 09:48
gde33more on topic, psychopaths are just psychopathsMar 05 09:48
gde33we should apperciate who they are, we have the technology to establish the conditionMar 05 09:49
gde33they are not to blame for anythingMar 05 09:49
gde33people who want to be ruled by them are the real problemMar 05 09:49
msbPsychopaths employ a lot of deceptions in order to rule people.  Bernays instructed them how to do it on a large scale.Mar 05 09:50
gde33that is because we demand they act that wayMar 05 09:51
gde33we demand they act against their natureMar 05 09:51
gde33mimic our emotionsMar 05 09:51
gde33the skepticism about how incredibly easy it is to detect the condition is evidence of psychopathy in it selfMar 05 09:52
gde33the high grade psycho doesnt even have brain activity in emotional contextMar 05 09:53
gde33the brain just rewires it self when parts failMar 05 09:53
msbI just tried to post a comment to Corbett's interview of Verstappen, but it turns out that youtube  prevents posting URLS to youtube.Mar 05 09:56
msbNow I have to put the link on my site.  brbMar 05 09:56
gde33I think it should work?Mar 05 09:56
gde33good point tho :)Mar 05 09:58
gde33I've posted a link under the video :)Mar 05 09:58
gde33will put it on my website to :DMar 05 09:58
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msbOK the link is up on my site -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/Mar 05 10:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneMar 05 10:08
gde33http://www.chinastrategies.com/defenseagainstpsychopath.pdfMar 05 10:09
gde33from under the docuMar 05 10:09
msbThanks!  Don't think I have that.Mar 05 10:10
gde33at 30 min he claims you cant measure itMar 05 10:10
gde33as if punching people in the face or piles of dead bodies isnt good enoughMar 05 10:11
msbWow, how nice of SV to publish a free summary of his book!  Of course, good advertising too.Mar 05 10:15
msbgde33: Where did you post a link?Mar 05 10:18
gde33still working on itMar 05 10:19
gde33http://blog.go-here.nl/8577Mar 05 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.go-here.nl | Defense Against the Psychopath - Stefan VerstappenMar 05 10:20
msbWow!  Very pretty site!Mar 05 10:22
gde33yours is nice too :)Mar 05 10:24
gde33pandemic psychopathy is a good descriptionMar 05 10:25
gde33I had an idea long ago to make prisons more like normal lifeMar 05 10:26
msbOh you have got a lot of great stuff under "Transmutation" !  Do you know about Iwamura's work?  Mar 05 10:26
gde33give them a house, a job or some opportunity to start a businessMar 05 10:26
gde33not really, looking at it nowMar 05 10:27
msbIf poor homeless starving people had a place on a collective (co-op) farm, they wouldn't go into crime.Mar 05 10:27
gde33My idea was to make prison less of a big dealMar 05 10:27
gde33the senteces would be much longer of courseMar 05 10:28
msb308 hits searching for Iwamura in lenr-canr.orgMar 05 10:29
gde33they put abusive prisoners in isolation, but it isn't much of a punishment if they already live in isolationMar 05 10:29
msbHe flows deuterium gas through a thin film of metal on some kind of weird substrate, and the metal transmutes!  Room temperature, no neutrons etc needed.Mar 05 10:29
gde33sureMar 05 10:30
msbThere is something very special about deuterons.Mar 05 10:30
gde33one alchemist wrote some stuff about animals, cant remember who or what precicelyMar 05 10:30
gde33chickens make a whole bunch of stuff that should technically be impossibleMar 05 10:31
gde33sadly cant remember what it was, it could have been calciumMar 05 10:31
msbI think it was that their eggshells have more calcium than they get in their diet.Mar 05 10:32
gde33something like thatMar 05 10:32
gde33it was a diet without the molecule he describedMar 05 10:32
gde33even with zero calcium they end up having itMar 05 10:32
gde33then they eat the old egg shells Mar 05 10:33
msbhttp://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue34/bookreview_biotrans.htmlMar 05 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infinite-energy.com | Book Review: Biological Transmutations by C.Louis Kervran [ http://ur1.ca/gras6 ]Mar 05 10:33
gde33ah yes, that was itMar 05 10:34
gde33that guy at leastMar 05 10:34
msbThat's the book I read about.  Reviewed in poor murdered Mallove's magazine.Mar 05 10:35
gde33malove might be dead, he is still twitching :PMar 05 10:35
msbJust a robbery my ass!Mar 05 10:35
gde33lolMar 05 10:35
msbYears ago I used to deny stuff like that with great superiority.  That was before cold fusion, BlackLight, and Iwamura.Mar 05 10:37
msbThis guy has a couple of great videos on youtube: http://www.sheldrake.org/about-rupert-sheldrake/frequently-asked-questionsMar 05 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sheldrake.org | Frequently Asked Questions [ http://ur1.ca/grau4 ]Mar 05 10:41
msbRupert Sheldrake.  For example, he mentions that the speed of light does vary!  Scientists just ignore it!Mar 05 10:42
msbHe has about 20 major weird things that mainstream science ignores.Mar 05 10:42
msbThe same guy who figured out exactly how the WTC towers were blown up told me about Sheldrake.Mar 05 10:43
gde33msb: I'm doing so many things at the same time I'm not doing anything anymore lolMar 05 10:55
msbI know what  you mean.  I was just searching by bookmarks for sheldrake, and found a whole lot of stuff I'd forgotten about.Mar 05 10:56
gde33hehe, I was thinking, we could make an organisation called "KILL THE PSYCHO!"Mar 05 10:57
gde33then openly and publicly describe who should be killed and whyMar 05 10:58
gde33eventually one would end up in court :DMar 05 10:58
gde33it will be interesting to hear the defenseMar 05 10:59
gde33then just reply that their name is on the list nowMar 05 10:59
gde33it is of course not allowed to murder people, the only exception is if it is in self defenseMar 05 11:00
gde33tell me what other jobs Bush created except from killing brown people in Iraq or Afghanistan etc?Mar 05 11:01
msbProblem is, about 1 person in 22 meets the criteria of Hare et al for being a psychopath, and a further 1 in 10 are borderline.  That makes 1 out of 7 total.Mar 05 11:02
gde33man, look at the bright side, we woud have 6 people leftMar 05 11:03
gde33that is more than enoughMar 05 11:03
msbeva '1/(1/22  + .1)'   6.875Mar 05 11:03
gde33make a nice hole in the ground, then put the 1 billion psychopaths in the holeMar 05 11:03
gde333) proffit!Mar 05 11:03
msbNo.  The trauma of all that killing would create more psychopaths.  It would cause people to armor up.Mar 05 11:05
gde33we can use some of them to do the hard workMar 05 11:05
gde33they will show you how easy it is Mar 05 11:05
msbHey, wanna talk via skype?Mar 05 11:05
gde33I dont use voice chat sorryMar 05 11:06
msbWhy not?Mar 05 11:06
gde33I'm not really planning to kill anyone, I'm just exploring the hypothesisMar 05 11:06
msbAre  you an ET with a lousy vocoder?Mar 05 11:06
gde33hahahaMar 05 11:06
gde33my universal translator is teh suckMar 05 11:06
msbWell, you're *writing* about it here.  Mar 05 11:07
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gde33sorry, what do you mean?Mar 05 11:07
msbwhich may even get archived if Roy gets around to it.Mar 05 11:07
gde33sure, I dont mindMar 05 11:07
msbVoice is less traceable.Mar 05 11:07
msbIt's just nice to talk with an intelligent friendly person.  I like to talk on the phone.  But you're in NL?Mar 05 11:08
gde33my moto is to treat people just a bit kinder than the way they treat othersMar 05 11:08
msbThat's good!Mar 05 11:09
msbA kindred spirit is the phrase I was looking for.Mar 05 11:09
gde33if one would kill "just" a few dozen people just for the pleasure of the kill, then one just deserve to be murdered.Mar 05 11:10
gde33it would be rude not toMar 05 11:10
msbA good society would deal with anatomical psychopaths in ways that would prevent them from doing harm.  And it wouldn't produce programmed  psychopaths at all.Mar 05 11:12
gde33indeedMar 05 11:12
msbFirst step: get rid of JCI religion.Mar 05 11:12
gde33we should aperciate who they areMar 05 11:12
msbThe Cathars were absolutely right.Mar 05 11:12
gde33dont put them in leadership positionsMar 05 11:12
gde33they dont have empathy, you might as well write a software to rule youMar 05 11:12
msbOr allow them to swindle people.Mar 05 11:12
msbBad software.Mar 05 11:13
gde33bad?Mar 05 11:13
msbSoftware that fucks you over.Mar 05 11:13
gde33evil softwareMar 05 11:13
msbyepMar 05 11:13
gde33skynet is supper efficent, nothing bad about it from a software perspective, moar like a huge accomplishment :PMar 05 11:14
gde33there are other interesting aspects to big governmentMar 05 11:15
msbYeah, they're now gonna make AI controlled drones, that decide who to kill.Mar 05 11:15
gde33indeedMar 05 11:15
gde33On a small scale one might have to chose between sleeping or working for example.Mar 05 11:16
msbWhat could possibly go wrong?Mar 05 11:16
msb?Mar 05 11:16
gde33on a bigger scale one might have to chose between something like 1 000 000 people not sleeping or killing one person Mar 05 11:16
msbI'm not following.  What's the connection with sleeping?Mar 05 11:17
gde33it is a crude exampleMar 05 11:17
gde33the choices are not realistic, just to compare thingsMar 05 11:17
gde33if it is one night we should all stay awakeMar 05 11:18
Sosumihttp://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_goes_up_for_preorder_on_orange_romania-news-7965.phpMar 05 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Samsung Galaxy S5 goes up for pre-order for €699 - GSMArena.com news [ http://ur1.ca/grb9h ]Mar 05 11:18
Sosumijust expensive as the hypePhoneMar 05 11:18
Sosumino thank you, nexus 5 all the wayMar 05 11:18
gde33msb: but say the choice is between a million people going without sleep for 5 days or killing one personMar 05 11:18
Sosumior by the time, nexus 6Mar 05 11:18
gde33msb: what would be the correct decision?Mar 05 11:19
msbgde33: I still don't get it.  How would such a situation arise?Mar 05 11:19
gde33msb: decision making gets increasingly weird when more people are involvedMar 05 11:19
gde33the example I gave is a simplification Mar 05 11:20
msbThe problem is, if you kill even one psychopath (except in immediate self-defense), then all the others point to you as an evil killer.Mar 05 11:20
gde33I'm refering to the why we have psycho's in leadership positions.Mar 05 11:21
gde33say you are running a hospital, you have to chose between a big treatment for one person or a small one for manyMar 05 11:21
msbWell, that's because they lie, cheat, steal, and murder their way into leadership.Mar 05 11:21
gde33such decisions eat away on your soulMar 05 11:21
gde33that is why the psycho does so much better, he doesn't have one Mar 05 11:22
gde33he will just chose whaterverMar 05 11:22
msbNo such choice needs to be made.  We have huge resources.  We only have to stop giving 99% of the wealth to 1% of the people.Mar 05 11:22
gde33it is indeed that simpleMar 05 11:23
msbThis is worth watching!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkYMar 05 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | David Korten - The Great Turning - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grbde ]Mar 05 11:25
gde33the problem with dividing the wealth is that most people only care how much they are gettingMar 05 11:25
gde33that is why it wont happenMar 05 11:26
msbhttp://www.davidkorten.org/great-turningMar 05 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidkorten.org | The Great Turning: An Epic Passage | Living Economies ForumMar 05 11:26
msbIn fact, most people would get more than they have now!Mar 05 11:26
gde33yes, but as long as they only care about themselves they wont get anythingMar 05 11:28
msbSosumi: Sorry, don't mean to ignore you -- we're trying to save the world.Mar 05 11:28
gde33:DMar 05 11:29
Sosumibuild an AIMar 05 11:29
Sosumigive it all the management functionsMar 05 11:29
Sosumiand no more you will have to concern yourself with the short sighted views and interests of figure heads and pathological liarsMar 05 11:30
msbWe already _have_ robots in most management positions!Mar 05 11:30
gde33Sosumi: or you end up making them permanentMar 05 11:30
Sosuminot permanent, at least not nowMar 05 11:31
Sosumibut at least use it as a decisions support instrumentMar 05 11:31
msbPeople need to become more conscious.  Total legalization of cannabis would help a lot!Mar 05 11:31
Sosumiwinners don't do drugsMar 05 11:31
gde33Sosumi: AI has no empathy, no reason to think it will be any more humaine than our worse psychopathMar 05 11:31
msbA sane society doesn't have "winners" and "losers".Mar 05 11:32
SosumiAI doesn't need empathy, it just needs to be reasonousMar 05 11:32
gde33it seems you are unaware how much drugs the so called finanical independent useMar 05 11:33
gde33the mega loads of cocaine that are needed to run the US economyMar 05 11:33
msbIf only they would switch to psychedelics!Mar 05 11:33
SosumiI knows about Bush senior and the CIA drug tradeMar 05 11:33
Sosumino worriesMar 05 11:34
SosumiCocaine Importing AgencyMar 05 11:34
msbWasn't junior caught with 10 tons of coke in a plane he was flying.Mar 05 11:34
Sosumino ideaMar 05 11:34
msbMaybe it was 10 pounds, I forget.Mar 05 11:34
Sosumiall I know about junior is that he's the amrican Boris YeltsinMar 05 11:34
Sosumiaka drunkardMar 05 11:35
msbWasn't Hunter S Thompson murdered because he knew about "W" fucking or killing some kids?Mar 05 11:35
Sosuminever heard of thatMar 05 11:36
msbShot himself in the head twice my ass!Mar 05 11:36
gde33I call that professional suicideMar 05 11:37
msbYeah, IIRC he'd helped make a movie of it.Mar 05 11:37
msbDedicationMar 05 11:37
msbI was a teen in the '60s.  Cannabis helped a whole lot!Mar 05 11:39
msbHelped deprogram people, so they protested and ended the Vietnam War.Mar 05 11:39
gde33think about it, where did clintons millions come from?Mar 05 11:40
msbYeah, it wasn't from pimping out Hillary.Mar 05 11:40
gde33After graduating from Yale Law School, Clinton returned to Arkansas and became a law professor at the University of Arkansas. A year later, he ran for the House of Representatives in 1974.Mar 05 11:41
gde33must be some serious money in being a law professor for 1 yearMar 05 11:42
msbThe great movie "The Net" with Sandra Bullock, includes that business where a high govt official shoots himself in a park, like Hillary's boyfriend.Mar 05 11:42
gde33?Mar 05 11:43
msbVince FosterMar 05 11:43
msbhttp://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.phpMar 05 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whatreallyhappened.com | The Death of Vincent Foster | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED [ http://ur1.ca/grblk ]Mar 05 11:45
msbMichael Rivero is a good guy!  I used to argue with him back when I was ignorant.Mar 05 11:45
gde33haha, I remember being ignorant about homeopathy, until I tried some myself.Mar 05 11:46
msbAnyhow, The Net is a wonderful movie.  Sandra Bullock is the love of my life.  Also Joanna Cassidy.Mar 05 11:47
gde33lolMar 05 11:47
msbYeah, they fight over me.Mar 05 11:47
gde33for the record I wanted to add: I;'m totally download it from pirate bayMar 05 11:47
msbNah, you wouldn't do anything illegal like that.Mar 05 11:48
gde33I download whatever I likeMar 05 11:48
msbThe whole US is represented by a sick bird -- an ill eagle.Mar 05 11:49
gde33a cooked gooseMar 05 11:49
msbThat movie is about computers and programming BTW -- a must see.Mar 05 11:50
gde33but the world isn't all badMar 05 11:50
msbOur pineal glands manufacture DMT!Mar 05 11:51
msbAlso melatonin.Mar 05 11:51
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gde33the download finished Mar 05 11:52
msbThat's why the govt puts fluoride in the water.  Calcifies the  pineal gland so it doesn't work anymore.Mar 05 11:52
gde33damn my internets are so fast :DMar 05 11:52
msbReally!Mar 05 11:52
msbHey, The Net is in YIFY.  They're the best.  Or so I'm told.Mar 05 11:53
gde33never used it, there are so manyMar 05 11:54
msbAll 264 and huge resolution with small file size.Mar 05 11:55
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gde33such criminality Mar 05 11:57
gde33how dare theyMar 05 11:57
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MinceRgeekingsMar 05 11:59
msbAnd you, my dear friendMar 05 11:59
msbOK, good time to heat up some dinner.  brbMar 05 12:03
gde33MinceR: hiMar 05 12:08
MinceRhayMar 05 12:09
gde33MinceR: how are you doing saving the world?Mar 05 12:15
gde33making progress?Mar 05 12:16
MinceRnot reallyMar 05 12:16
gde33I was pondering brainscanning the politican for psychopathyMar 05 12:17
gde33I think the chinese might go for it if it is presented proprlyMar 05 12:18
MinceRinteresting method to shut down the government of the PRC :>Mar 05 12:23
gde33it should be effective Mar 05 12:28
gde33their system is all about leadership qualitiesMar 05 12:28
msbEnjoying dinner -- Chinese coincidentally -- and *not* taking the bait.Mar 05 12:28
gde33at least that is their argumentMar 05 12:28
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msbhttp://hf.dilbert.com/2014-03-03/Mar 05 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hf.dilbert.com | The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more!Mar 05 12:54
Sosumihttp://www.macrumors.com/2014/03/05/apple-confidential-nokia-terms-sanction-samsung/Mar 05 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Released Confidential License Terms with Nokia While Sanctioning Samsung for Role in Leaks - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/grc7t ]Mar 05 12:55
Sosuminokia, lolMar 05 12:55
Sosuminow a patent troll and a M$ tentacleMar 05 12:55
Sosuminot that samsung is any good aka paying the android tax and the gods know what they add to the default android OSMar 05 12:56
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Sosumimsb, Hillary doesn't have a boyfriendMar 05 13:48
Sosumishe has a girlfriend,Mar 05 13:48
Sosumiand from the badmouths aroundMar 05 13:49
Sosumiit used to be her assistantMar 05 13:49
gde33she was an MKULTRA girlMar 05 13:49
gde33trained to be the wife of some officalMar 05 13:49
Sosumino wonder poor Billy Clinton went for MonicaMar 05 13:49
SosumiMonicaMar 05 13:50
gde33it seems clinton raped every girl he cound get his hands onMar 05 13:50
Sosumimuch sexier than Hitlery ClingtonMar 05 13:50
MinceRlolMar 05 13:50
gde33much like kenedyMar 05 13:50
MinceRHillarious ClintonMar 05 13:50
Sosumihttp://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_05/Behind-Ukraine-snipers-was-not-Yanukovych-but-new-coalition-Estonian-FM-to-Ashton-5154/Mar 05 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com | Kiev snipers hired by new coalition, not Yanukovych - Estonian FM to Ashton - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/grcrw ]Mar 05 13:51
Sosumiso what? blackwater?Mar 05 13:52
Sosumior other PMCMar 05 13:52
gde33http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846vrwYecaQMar 05 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Mind Control Out Of Control MK ULTRA Cathy O'Brien PT 1 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grcss ]Mar 05 13:54
MinceRhttp://s4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/03/05/6/1394007785_1624858475.jpegMar 05 14:17
gde33thats so funny in our war oriented cultureMar 05 14:18
gde33I remember when he put the nuclear destroyers next to warsingtoonMar 05 14:19
gde33or whatever kind of nuke boats it wereMar 05 14:19
MinceR:)Mar 05 14:24
gde33imagine all the tears if he would have nuked all the lobbyistsMar 05 14:25
gde33look how we apparently need an american news slut to represent putin http://news.yahoo.com/putin-speaks-tough-ukraine-204103947.htmlMar 05 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Putin speaks tough on Ukraine - Yahoo News [ http://ur1.ca/grd61 ]Mar 05 14:30
gde33they have his press conferance in the backgroundMar 05 14:30
gde33without soundMar 05 14:30
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gde33http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uscjzJDNOpUMar 05 14:35
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msbgde33: Hi!  I'm back.  Slept for a while.Mar 05 18:15
Sosumimsb = master sleeper on the benchMar 05 18:44
Sosumiwelcome backMar 05 18:44
msbthanx! -- watching kat movie on gde33's site -- http://blog.go-here.nl/8564Mar 05 18:45
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msbgde33: That great cat video can be downloaded using youtube-dl from http://www.theatlantic.com/video/archive/2013/04/this-is-the-best-experimental-film-about-cats-ever-made/275231/Mar 05 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | This Is the Best Experimental Film About Cats Ever Made - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/grg8l ]Mar 05 19:11
Sosumihttp://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Attempt-To-Convert-Users-From-XP-Backfires-Thanks-To-Low-Loyalty-Limited-Benefits/Mar 05 19:16
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Sosumikde is just like the XP GUIMar 05 19:17
Sosumibut betterMar 05 19:17
Sosumiso, no reason to cling on XPMar 05 19:17
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sebsebsebhiMar 05 19:20
msbKDE3 is better than KDE4, because 3 has badly messed up the multiple desktops.Mar 05 19:21
msbKDE3 is better than KDE4, because 4 has badly messed up the multiple desktops.Mar 05 19:21
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msbOpenSuse still provides KDE3, or you can get the TDE fork of KDE3 for various distros:  http://www.trinitydesktop.org/Mar 05 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.trinitydesktop.org | Trinity Desktop EnvironmentMar 05 19:23
cubezzzORMar 05 19:24
cubezzzopenbsd :)Mar 05 19:24
MinceRor xfce :>Mar 05 19:25
msbAre the xfce desktops persistent across reboots?Mar 05 19:26
cubezzzeven the latest openbsd supports KDE 3Mar 05 19:28
msbThe ones in KDE3/TDE are named, persistent, and you can have up to 20 of them.  And across reboots the desktops will come up with the same konsoles and other k-programs in each that they had when you logged out.Mar 05 19:29
msbAlthough the konsoles are not opened to both the directories that they were before, only one.Mar 05 19:30
MinceRmsb: not sure, i have session management enabled but i tend to quit everything before logging outMar 05 19:35
MinceRhttps://31.media.tumblr.com/49c19bf189a0c6f3e2e1d3186ef7e856/tumblr_n1z2oaAsJd1qzc98qo1_500.jpgMar 05 19:35
msbCuteMar 05 19:36
msbyoutube-dl is great!  Needs only python.  Sometimes works when VideoDownloader's balls aren't even rotating, eg, for that cat video.  http://youtube-dl.org/Mar 05 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-youtube-dl.org | youtube-dlMar 05 19:43
MinceRhttp://cheezburger.com/8090671616Mar 05 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cheezburger.com | Scumbag Putin - CheezburgerMar 05 19:46
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Sosumifor some reason I kind of ended up preferring kdeMar 05 19:47
Sosumiit has everything out of the boxMar 05 19:47
Sosumiand works well overallMar 05 19:48
MinceRi used kde a lotMar 05 19:48
MinceRbut kde4 put me off itMar 05 19:48
msbYep.  I was told that the kde4 feature set was chosen by focus groups populated by MS-Windows users.  I think KDE4 was a MS attempt to sabotage Linux.Mar 05 19:56
Sosumiwasn't that gnomeMar 05 19:57
cubezzzthat's just history repeating itselfMar 05 19:57
cubezzzthe KDE 1 people didn't like KDE 2 :)Mar 05 19:57
Sosumiwith the inclusion of monoMar 05 19:57
msbgnome has mono?Mar 05 19:58
SosumiyesMar 05 19:58
sebsebsebmsb: uhmm I get to find out next weekend what  non technical peole really likeMar 05 19:58
msbyuck!  Mar 05 19:58
sebsebsebmsb: out of the three options for the eventMar 05 19:58
sebsebsebwill many go to KDE on uhmm openSUSE not my choiceMar 05 19:58
sebsebsebor will many go to Cinnamon on MintMar 05 19:59
sebsebsebor will many go to Unity on UbuntuMar 05 19:59
MinceRgnome copies macosMar 05 19:59
cubezzzKDE 3.5 distros:Mar 05 19:59
MinceRstarted doing so with gnome 2Mar 05 19:59
sebsebsebwhat's a bit hmm to me thoug his howMar 05 19:59
sebsebsebther'es no GNOME Shell at this eventMar 05 19:59
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/kde3.5-distros.txtMar 05 19:59
sebsebseb,but right htey out voted me when it came to that so yeahMar 05 19:59
MinceRand yes, gnome has mono by defaultMar 05 19:59
sebsebsebMinceR: oh, but Banshee and such can hep win non technicals over :dMar 05 20:00
sebsebsebfrom a user point of view Banshee is quite goodMar 05 20:00
MinceRand i don't think that any good choices remained there -- ubuntu, ubuntu-based mint and suseMar 05 20:00
MinceRnot so sure of thatMar 05 20:00
MinceRcan banshee even shuffle the playlist?Mar 05 20:00
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah it's like haing Ubuntu twice really, except it's Min with CinnamonMar 05 20:00
sebsebseb,but it's about testing out the live session etcMar 05 20:00
MinceR(most music players can't do it properly, but audacious and other xmms derivatives can)Mar 05 20:00
sebsebsebMinceR: freebie wise though, I think I am going to have quite a bit more Ubuntu stuff than the openSUSEMar 05 20:01
sebsebseband that's good surely? :)Mar 05 20:01
MinceRmehMar 05 20:01
MinceRyeah, last i checked *suse was still worse than ubuntu :>Mar 05 20:02
msbThat KDE3 list is a bit old.  Suse is up to version 13.1 and still has KDE3 (and of course KDE4).  Mar 05 20:02
sebsebsebMinceR: SUSE is popular thoughMar 05 20:02
msbI still regard OpenSuse as the best engineered distro, and so I stay with it despite Novell's conniving with Microshit.  Mar 05 20:03
Sosumihttp://distrowatch.com/Mar 05 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Mar 05 20:03
MinceRi don't see what's "best engineered" about itMar 05 20:03
sebsebseboh yeah msb  was a SUSE fan>Mar 05 20:03
sebsebseb?Mar 05 20:04
MinceRfor example, it adds a yast menu item into the icewm menu that asks for the root password and then does nothingMar 05 20:04
Sosuminot as popular as mageiaMar 05 20:04
cubezzzwhat no RHEL? :)Mar 05 20:04
sebsebsebSosumi: wel yeah if you go by distrowatchMar 05 20:04
sebsebsebSosumi: Mageia is more popularMar 05 20:04
sebsebsebif you go by reality then SUSE Is more popular reallyMar 05 20:05
sebsebsebor so it seemsMar 05 20:05
MinceRdistrowatch ranking is more of a recent interest than popularity or installed baseMar 05 20:05
sebsebsebMinceR: yep exactlyMar 05 20:05
msbSuse always works, has KDE3, very few bugs, great helpers on IRC, and yast is excellent.Mar 05 20:05
sebsebsebmsb: Mageia and open Mandriva and suchMar 05 20:06
sebsebsebhave a nce graphal control centre :)Mar 05 20:06
sebsebsebmsb: I remember when I had this LIe CD of SUSE and yasst didn't workMar 05 20:06
sebsebseblike three yaers ago or somethingMar 05 20:06
sebsebsebI was ike uh this uh it's not wrking, back to Synaptic in Ubuntu :dMar 05 20:06
MinceRand i think i've already talked about my friend's experience with opensuseMar 05 20:06
MinceRthe horrible netinstall and the keyboard repeat issueMar 05 20:07
msbMinceR: dunno, did they ask for help in suse irc?Mar 05 20:07
MinceRnoMar 05 20:07
MinceRwe suffered through the first one and he figured out how to fix the otherMar 05 20:08
msbShould have.  They will stay with a user until the problem is fixed.Mar 05 20:08
msbSo, fixed.  Good.Mar 05 20:08
MinceRnot sure, they might have fixed both of these issues since then.Mar 05 20:09
MinceRbut i didn't have issues of that magnitude with crunchbang or debian.Mar 05 20:09
msbSo many different kinds of BIOS and peripherals, there will always be a problems with a few machines.  But they are almost always fixable.Mar 05 20:09
MinceRthe netinstall issue was just pure lazinessMar 05 20:10
msbAnd once they're fixed, Linux always keeps working.Mar 05 20:10
MinceRthe installer didn't know the list of the mirrors or the path on each ftp server and didn't resolve domain names.Mar 05 20:10
msbI always just download the DVD ISO and burn it.Mar 05 20:10
msbKISSMar 05 20:11
MinceRi expected the netinstall to be faster.Mar 05 20:11
MinceRburn a small image and then only download what's really needed.Mar 05 20:11
MinceRthat's how it works on debian. :>Mar 05 20:11
MinceR(though nowadays i use usb flash cards instead of optical media)Mar 05 20:11
msbcards?  thumb drives?Mar 05 20:12
MinceRyes, flash memory with a usb mass storage interface :>Mar 05 20:13
msbI just never heard it called a card before, thought it was something new.Mar 05 20:13
msbOr is it a device that connects via usb, and takes flash memory cards in a slot?Mar 05 20:14
MinceRnoMar 05 20:15
MinceRi just don't think that "pen drive" is a good term for themMar 05 20:15
MinceRi haven't thought much of "thumb drive", they don't use that term around here :>Mar 05 20:16
msbIt always takes me a couple of days to update Linux, because I have to change various scripts I've written, figure out how to make the 2-button trackball work as 3-button, since X is always changing, and stuff like that.  So I only do it when I can't use or compile new media apps that I want.  Mar 05 20:21
MinceR:)Mar 05 20:21
msbAlso, I always wait a few months til they fix any bugs in the new version.Mar 05 20:23
msbBut if I get the time, I'll make a utility that periodically saves the exact state of all the konsoles, so they can be totally restored.  Then I wouldn't have to leave the 'puter running all the time.Mar 05 20:25
MinceR:)Mar 05 20:26
MinceRor you could make a terminal emulator that saves its own state :>Mar 05 20:26
msbInteresting: all the konsoles are a single process, but I have 126 bash processes.Mar 05 20:29
msbWow, konsole seems to have 1336 qdbus options.  Maybe I can just use some of those to save and restore the states.Mar 05 20:33
msbI use KDE4 konsole, konversation, system monitor, klipper, maybe a couple others.  They work fine under KDE3, and have been improved from the KDE3 versions.Mar 05 20:34
msbOh yeah, setting that up takes time on an upgrade.  Also transferring ancient libs so xmms still works, since I have so many song equalizer files for it.Mar 05 20:37
MinceR:>Mar 05 20:39
MinceRhave you tried bmp or audacious?Mar 05 20:39
MinceR(they're xmms1 forks)Mar 05 20:39
msbI wrote a console emulator for my original IBM-PC in BASIC in the 80s so I could talk to a BSD Unix system I was renting time on, via a phone modem of course.Mar 05 20:40
msbIt could even up- and download files.Mar 05 20:40
msbDo bmp and audacious use xmms equalizer files?Mar 05 20:40
MinceRdunnoMar 05 20:41
MinceRthey use a lot of stuff from xmms1, including ancient plugins that nobody else supports, so it might work :>Mar 05 20:41
schestowitz__http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/microsoft-using-linux-4175496991/Mar 05 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Microsoft using Linux! [ http://ur1.ca/grhab ]Mar 05 20:43
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msbI use audacious for theta-reverb.  Use the reverb plugin with the delay set between 125-250 msec, and you get theta brainwave stimulation!Mar 05 20:43
MinceRis that a good thing? :>Mar 05 20:44
msbOoh baby!Mar 05 20:44
msbClick on Audacious Output menu and then on Effects  In Effects list look for "Echo Plugin" and click on "settings" just underneath.  Note three sliders: Delay Feedback Volume  Set Delay to 140, Feedback to 83, and Volume to 67  Then click Apply. Mar 05 20:46
MinceRdo i want to do that when i'm sleepy, tired and have a headache? :>Mar 05 20:49
msbFind the song Bratja from Fullmetal Alchemist and do theta reverb on it -- my fave.Mar 05 20:49
msbNo, use psychedelics when you're awake and energetic.Mar 05 20:50
MinceR:>Mar 05 20:51
msbDarn.  Bratja is in BT, but only 93% of it.  And it's also sung in russian.Mar 05 20:53
msbAudacious -- I have Audacious 2.4.4 (UNSUPPORTED VERSION) -- retains all the reverb and equalizer settings, and the song file, when you kill it, and restart it anytime later.  Very nice!Mar 05 21:16
MinceR:)Mar 05 21:19
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MinceRhttp://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2014/03/05/putin-unveils-new-propaganda-posterMar 05 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Putin Unveils New Propaganda Poster | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/grimo ]Mar 05 22:31
MinceRhttp://poorlydrawndinosaurs.com/?p=258Mar 05 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-poorlydrawndinosaurs.com | poorlydrawndinosaurs.com - Silly humansMar 05 22:32
MinceRhttp://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-30/anti-government-militia-groups-freeman/53873496/1Mar 05 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-usatoday30.usatoday.com | Anti-government 'sovereign movement' on the rise in U.S. – USATODAY.com [ http://ur1.ca/griwl ]Mar 05 22:57
MinceRgnMar 05 23:00
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msb"Putin Unveils New Propaganda Poster" Reality: US and EU use armed Nazis to conquer Ukraine and overthrow the elected government, and Putin wants to restore the elected govt. /// Lying Propaganda from US media: Putin is attacking first and wants to seize Ukraine.Mar 06 01:45
DaemonFCThe sewage pipe between my mom's house and the city sewage pipe has sprung a leak.Mar 06 01:51
DaemonFCThat's going to be expensive.Mar 06 01:51
DaemonFCThey're taking bids to fix it. So far, the lowest bid was some guy that was going to halfass it. He wanted $2,000.Mar 06 01:51
DaemonFCOuch.Mar 06 01:51
msbRegarding the "Anti-government 'sovereign movement'" there's no way that McVeighs ANFO truck bomb could have taken down the Murrah Building parked the distance away that it was.  ANFO is a low-grade, low-brisance, low-velocity explosive, because the fuel and oxidizer are in two separate materials -- ammonium nitrate pellets in fuel oil.  Slower than gunpowder, which is more finely mixed.Mar 06 01:54
msbPeople saw men disguised as telephone technicians placing satchel charges of HE against the building's support columns in the basement.  That's what blew it up.  McVeigh was the patsy.Mar 06 01:56
msbAlso, the SPLC is a fascist/zionist propaganda organization working closely with the US govt.  It named 9/11 researchers as "terrorists".Mar 06 01:57
msbDaemonFC: What if you dug down to the leak and epoxied an aluminum sheet over the leak?  After suitable cleaning of course.  The pressure should be very low in a sewer pipe -- just a few inches of water.Mar 06 02:00
DaemonFCYeah, I told my stepdad I'd come over and help dig. :PMar 06 02:01
msbDaemonFC: You could hold the Al sheet in place with a series of hose clamps at each end while the epoxy hardened.  Then leave them in place.Mar 06 02:01
msbYou can make a big hose-clamp out of a bunch of little ones all the same size by screwing them together in series.Mar 06 02:02
msbDaemonFC: Maybe some kind of very thick but flexible plastic would be better than aluminum -- couldn't corrode.Mar 06 02:04
DaemonFCIt looks like dropping GNU/Linux support didn't affect Opera's usage share at all.Mar 06 02:05
msbDaemonFC: Crap.  Well, I have Opera but never use it.  There are still a couple of other browsers I can use to check possibly malfunctioning web pages.  The KDE and Gnome ones, and I can call up a friend who uses Exploder.Mar 06 02:07
msbHe couldn;t see the colored panels on my site in Firefox on his doorstop, but he could see them in MS-Exploder, and they showed up fine in FF and the KDE and Gnome browsers for me.Mar 06 02:09
msbAlso Opera, but byebye to that.Mar 06 02:09
DaemonFCThe last version of Opera for Linux is from last August, before they switched to Chromium.Mar 06 02:11
DaemonFCA former employee of the company said that they don't take Linux seriously and are now forcing their employees to use Windows or OS X.Mar 06 02:12
DaemonFCSo, there probably never will be another version of Opera for GNU/LinuxMar 06 02:12
msbSo Opera threw away its entire code base in favor of Chromium?Mar 06 02:13
DaemonFCYes.Mar 06 02:13
msbWhat a waste!Mar 06 02:14
msb"they don't take Linux seriously and are now forcing their employees to use Windows or OS X"  I think that company is not long for this world!Mar 06 02:16
DaemonFCWell, I believe the reason they had the "Linux" port to begin with was because their own developers preferred it.Mar 06 02:18
msbMakes sense.Mar 06 02:19
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 06 03:26
DaemonFCThe Koch Brothers, Billionaire Polluters, and Walmart have basically bought and paid for PBS.Mar 06 03:26
DaemonFCI barely even watch it anymore, because they'll agree not to report the news in exchange for "a generous donation".Mar 06 03:26
DaemonFCSo far, David Koch, BP, and Walmart have all "generously donated" their way out of unflattering-but-true documentaries being aired on PBS. Mar 06 03:26
DaemonFCWalmart even "generously donated" enough to turn the documentary that PBS eventually aired into a pro-Walmart one. Mar 06 03:27
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msbWell I just had another crash, this time with no messages about the display driver in the kernel log.  And my main disk had to fsck, which took an hour.  However, a friend suggested I look at the cpu temperatures using the bios, but -- Mirabile Dictu -- the KDE4 system monitor can show 5 different temp sensors on my machine, which it's now doing in a new tab.  The highest one is 52degC, which I'm told is ok, but the machine isn't doing Mar 06 04:58
msbmuch.Mar 06 04:58
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msbI don't know if firefox was using a lot of cpu before the crash, I hadn't checked in a while.  I suppose if FF has been crashing nvidia display drivers for a few months, we would have heard, unless Linux FF abusers like me are rare.Mar 06 05:00
msbI haven't cleaned out the cpu heatsink for a long time, but now being catless I didn't think I had to.  I'll see what the temp sensors say.Mar 06 05:02
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msbI got both cores up to 100% usage and 70C by playing two 1920x1080 movies and recording TV with mencoder.  So I should go in there and blow the dust out.Mar 06 05:38
msbWhich always makes a mess.Mar 06 05:40
msbNow over to DaemonFC for Bargain Highlights.Mar 06 05:41
DaemonFC?Mar 06 05:51
DaemonFCIt's probably a bug in the Nvidia driver.Mar 06 05:51
DaemonFCIt wouldn't be the first time.Mar 06 05:52
msbIt started several months ago, and the only thing that's changed is Firefox.Mar 06 06:05
msbI haven't had any crashes when I've kept FF cpu usage below 40%, by limiting the number of tabs.  But I wasn't tracking it today.  However, there were no messages in the kernel log from the display driver.  The kernel crashed.Mar 06 06:07
msbI'll try running a thorough memory test.  The bios boot mem test doesn't find any problems.Mar 06 06:08
msbThe nvidia driver is the same as it ever was.  If it dropped a bit on the disk, the crc would catch it.Mar 06 06:10
msbDamn I love those temperature readings in the sys mon program.  With them I could -- dare I say it? -- Rule the World!Mar 06 06:12
msbI don't suffer from insanity.  I enjoy it!Mar 06 06:12
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MinceRkeep lying, msb.Mar 06 06:54
msbMinceR: My commie comrades have infiltrated under your bed and in your closet!Mar 06 06:56
msbMinceR: And...I'm eating lots of chili, so I'm always pootin'!Mar 06 06:57
MinceRno, they're in my governmentMar 06 06:57
prurigroMinceR: I feel like "communists" in the US and communists in places like your gov't are such a different animal that the first group can't see why you'd be offendedMar 06 07:09
MinceRdepends on what the communists in the US are doingMar 06 07:10
prurigrotalking about how great communism would beMar 06 07:10
MinceRbecause everyone can talk the talkMar 06 07:10
prurigrofrom the sidelinesMar 06 07:10
MinceRand we can see what the eastern block did while talking the talk.Mar 06 07:11
prurigrothe argument is that communism isn't exactly thatMar 06 07:11
MinceRand what the same people are doing now in hungary, for example.Mar 06 07:11
prurigrobut my counter argument is that this is what stems from removing ownership over anything from everyoneMar 06 07:11
MinceRand in russia.Mar 06 07:11
MinceRwhat is what stems from that?Mar 06 07:12
prurigrorussia isn't really anything close to communist these days is it, do you think?Mar 06 07:12
MinceRit seems pretty close to what it was when it called itself communistMar 06 07:13
prurigroand I mean that the argument given for communism when presented with real life examples of how it played out is that those real life examples weren't communismMar 06 07:13
MinceRand it's led by the former communist kgb leader.Mar 06 07:13
MinceRthat sounds a lot like a no true scotsman argument :>Mar 06 07:13
prurigromy counter argument is that those real life examples are the result of attempting to put the theory into practiceMar 06 07:13
MinceRbut i have issues with the non-state communism theory as well.Mar 06 07:13
prurigrorussia was very different when it was communistMar 06 07:14
MinceRwell, deciding that the people don't get to own things very easily leads to the state owning those thingsMar 06 07:14
prurigroit wasn't ultra christian, for exampleMar 06 07:14
MinceRand a dictator controlling those thingsMar 06 07:14
prurigroyeahMar 06 07:14
prurigroand if you want to own things, when a person can't, you need to obtain power in the organization that canMar 06 07:14
prurigroie: the stateMar 06 07:14
MinceRlike i keep saying, whether the ideology is christian is little more than decorationMar 06 07:14
MinceRthe authoritarianism remainsMar 06 07:14
prurigroI like socialism much ebtterMar 06 07:14
prurigrobetter*Mar 06 07:14
MinceRa few people effectively owning everything also remainedMar 06 07:14
prurigrowhere everyone owns a share of a piece of the pie, rather than noone owning anythingMar 06 07:15
prurigroyeahMar 06 07:15
MinceRagain, it's easy to do that only in wordsMar 06 07:15
prurigrocanada is fairly socialistMar 06 07:15
prurigroit works nicely hereMar 06 07:15
MinceRlike authoritarian governments insisting that they're doing everything on behalf of the peopleMar 06 07:15
prurigroauthoritarian governments pop up when you remove power from the peopleMar 06 07:15
prurigrobargaining chips are neededMar 06 07:19
prurigroI think that's why the internet works as a semi-libertarian-utopiaMar 06 07:19
prurigropeople have near equivalent powerMar 06 07:19
prurigroI don't think it could exist in real life quite as successfullyMar 06 07:20
prurigrosomeone would amass more weapons or henchmen or whatever and take controlMar 06 07:21
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msbCapitalist economies/govts are subject to takeover by psychopaths because they can amass huge amounts of money, socialist ones because the govt has a lot of control.  Mar 06 07:31
msbSolutions involve the population being better informed, so lots of news media available with different points of view.  Also better consciousness, so legal cannabis, and de-emphasis of JCI religion.Mar 06 07:33
MinceRsolutions also involve democracy and similar means of distributing powerMar 06 07:34
msbYes, that goes without saying.Mar 06 07:34
msbSo, parliamentary system and preferential voting.  Also, no govt secrets, no "intelligence" -- spying and murdering -- agencies.Mar 06 07:36
MinceRpretty muchMar 06 07:37
MinceRthough i'm not sure if intelligence agencies can be eliminated entirely as long as other states have them -- but they have to be kept on a much shorter leash than cia and nsa.Mar 06 07:37
MinceRor gchq, etc.Mar 06 07:37
prurigrodistribution of power is the most keyMar 06 07:38
prurigromy friend is convinced communism + mandatory weapons for everyone would be a good mixMar 06 07:38
prurigroI'm not sure it's so simpleMar 06 07:39
prurigrobut he's on the right trackMar 06 07:39
msbIf some other nation is secretly constructing dangerous weapons, then we should spy on them, but not keep the data we get secret.Mar 06 07:39
prurigromsb: you're right, you should share it with the mossad like you currently do, that'll keep everyone safe :)Mar 06 07:40
msbThere has to be private propity up to at least $500,000, otherwise the govt is very intrusive.Mar 06 07:40
msbNo prurigro, share it publicly with everybodyMar 06 07:41
msb1Mar 06 07:41
msb!Mar 06 07:41
MinceRnot only that, but you need counterintelligence if you don't want other states do the same spying and manipulation in your country.Mar 06 07:41
MinceR(which your laws could control even less, of course.)Mar 06 07:41
msbNothing should be secret, so spies would not be a problem.Mar 06 07:41
MinceRthe state should keep (next to) no secrets, but people still need to keep secretsMar 06 07:42
msbYes.Mar 06 07:42
msbIOW, privacy.Mar 06 07:42
MinceRindeedMar 06 07:42
prurigroMinceR: the fact that it was information on american politicians and judges that made it to the Mossad makes me think that exactly what you're talking about is happeningMar 06 07:43
MinceRas far as i know, it's happening all the timeMar 06 07:43
msbprurigro: Yes, that's one way Israel/Zionists gain great power over the US.Mar 06 07:44
msbIn fact, Mossad lures US politicians with prostitutes male and female, takes pictures, and blackmails them into obedience.Mar 06 07:45
prurigroand everyone wonders why politicians are so interested in keeping them happy (outside new york politicians, who have their voters as an incensentive)Mar 06 07:45
msbAn insensitive incentive!  You made a portmanteau word, a la Lewis Carroll.Mar 06 07:46
prurigrowhoops Mar 06 07:46
prurigrothat's pretty funnyMar 06 07:46
msbNo, good!Mar 06 07:46
prurigromy broca's area must be a broken areaMar 06 07:47
msb!Mar 06 07:47
msbSo actually, people in government need to be allowed less privacy, so they can't be blackmailed.  If that discourages people from wanting to be in government, all the better!Mar 06 07:53
msbYou want to control people, you get a webcam in your bedroom!Mar 06 07:54
prurigroI think everyone should be allowed full privacy at home, and practically none at workMar 06 07:55
prurigrothough on request onlyMar 06 07:55
*prurigro works better without someone looking over his shoulderMar 06 07:55
msbBut govt works better *with* somebody looking...Mar 06 07:55
prurigrowell yeahMar 06 07:56
msbBecause the biggest problem is govt corruption and excess power.Mar 06 07:56
prurigroin canada you can request 99% of everythingMar 06 07:56
prurigroonly about 20% is made public until requestedMar 06 07:56
prurigroand those are final numbers and whatnotMar 06 07:57
prurigroyou can request all email by person X thoughMar 06 07:57
prurigrofor exampleMar 06 07:57
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DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx3PJ97J57UDN1CMar 06 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: crApple refuses to unlock an iBad that a woman left to her son in her will. [ http://ur1.ca/groh9 ]Mar 06 08:38
DaemonFChttp://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26448158Mar 06 08:39
DaemonFCcrApple has refused to unlock an iBad that a woman left to her son.Mar 06 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | BBC News - Apple security rules leave inherited iPad useless, say sons [ http://ur1.ca/grohc ]Mar 06 08:39
DaemonFCThe only reason it's possible to refuse to allow the rightful owner of the computer to use it is because of restrictions imposed by proprietary software.Mar 06 08:39
DaemonFCIf the computer ran freedom respecting software instead, then it wouldn't be a brick now. Mar 06 08:39
prurigroDaemonFC: when I sent my phone in for repairs, I thought great, I'll use my gf's old 3g for music at the gym until I get mine backMar 06 08:40
prurigroturns out all the apps that had previously worked ran versions that no longer installed on the max version of iOS it could runMar 06 08:40
prurigroreminded me of how my old mac mini was useless because current versions of firefox, chrome and safari wouldn't run on the most recent version of macos it allowedMar 06 08:41
prurigro(and while linux is possible on that- it's demented uefi is so non-standard that the only version of linux I could get on it was fedora, which it's shitty specs are too slow for)Mar 06 08:42
MinceRi think you can slim fedora downMar 06 09:04
prurigroI was wondering how far you could go-- maybe disabling selinux would be a startMar 06 09:05
prurigroit mostly seemed to fail when the package manager would be running thoughMar 06 09:05
prurigro(and it couldn't play flash youtube at fullspeed, but I haven't tried again since 100% of videos can be html5, so maybe I should) Mar 06 09:06
prurigrobut yeah, package management slowdowns are why I figured I could blame the OSMar 06 09:06
MinceRicMar 06 09:06
prurigroare you using that html5 youtube extension on a side note?Mar 06 09:07
prurigroyou def should be if you aren't, and ever use youtubeMar 06 09:07
MinceRi don't think i am nowMar 06 09:07
prurigro(unless you disagree with google cloud products on some moral ground, which I'd understand)Mar 06 09:07
prurigroword, let me link youMar 06 09:07
MinceRsince some of youtube required Trash the last time i checked, i just let it use TrashMar 06 09:08
prurigrohttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-to-HTML5/ <- no more trash requiredMar 06 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-addons.mozilla.org | YouTube Flash to HTML5 :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/ftlvn ]Mar 06 09:08
MinceRalso, debian might be able to work on a mac mini: https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntelMar 06 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.debian.org | MacMiniIntel - Debian WikiMar 06 09:08
prurigroI uninstalled Trash when I found this pluginMar 06 09:08
MinceRthis guide might also work with crunchbangMar 06 09:08
prurigroahh really eh- my mac mini is one of the earlier ones on that noteMar 06 09:08
prurigrowhich had a special non-standard uefiMar 06 09:08
prurigroI wonder if tis accounts for that..Mar 06 09:09
MinceRit does have non-standard EFIMar 06 09:09
MinceRbut afaik people made it work anywayMar 06 09:09
prurigroI suppose efi was just getting cracked by fedora when I was originally tryingMar 06 09:10
prurigromaybe all the major distros woudl be able to now eh?Mar 06 09:10
prurigromore than a year laterMar 06 09:10
MinceR:>Mar 06 09:10
prurigrobut yeah, that extension on the fly converts flv youtube videos to an html5 compatible format, then pulls in the youtube html5 player to play them-- it's really cleverMar 06 09:12
MinceRdoes it work on videos that would use ads?Mar 06 09:13
prurigroyeah, unfortunately you won't be able to view the adsMar 06 09:13
prurigrobut those are primarily the only vids that aren't available in html5 alreadyMar 06 09:14
prurigro(since ads require flash still afaik)Mar 06 09:14
prurigroanyway, I uninstalled flash, and youtube has been greatMar 06 09:14
prurigroonly potential issue I've run into was all html5 videos having no sound (plugin or otherwise) until I added the following option to about:config and set it to false: media.use_cubebMar 06 09:15
prurigrono idea what it does lolMar 06 09:15
DaemonFCprurigro: They have to do that, or else people would just use their old computer forever.Mar 06 09:17
MinceRi don't want to see the ads, i just want to see the videos that would have them :>Mar 06 09:17
MinceRsince those videos require TrashMar 06 09:17
DaemonFCThis computer is from 2008, and it still runs GNU/Linux just fine.Mar 06 09:18
DaemonFCWindows hasn't gotten any smaller.Mar 06 09:18
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeon_trusty&num=2Mar 06 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Radeon Gallium3D Performance Gets Close To Catalyst On Ubuntu 14.04 [ http://ur1.ca/groze ]Mar 06 09:21
prurigroMinceR: well you're in luck then ;) and yeah, I was more joking about the unfortunate part hahaMar 06 09:24
prurigroDaemonFC: I have desktop that's older than the mac mini, and it's like wayyyyy faster and still 100% operational- plays 1080p mkvs and anything else I throw at itMar 06 09:25
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DaemonFCheh, the federal government classifies my car as a gas guzzler...Mar 06 09:33
DaemonFCIt didn't meet the definition of "gas guzzler" in 1996.Mar 06 09:34
DaemonFCThe engine is an improvement over the old 5 liter carbonated V8 that Ford used to use.Mar 06 09:34
DaemonFCThat one was less powerful and only got about 11 miles per gallon combined city/highway.Mar 06 09:35
DaemonFCMine is the fuel injected 4.6 liter V8.Mar 06 09:35
DaemonFC17 mpg combined.Mar 06 09:35
DaemonFCStill....Ouch.Mar 06 09:35
DaemonFCI gave it a tune up a little while back.Mar 06 09:35
DaemonFCThe mileage came up a bit.Mar 06 09:35
DaemonFCWalmart has a "fuel injector cleaning service" for $20.Mar 06 09:39
DaemonFCI wonder what that is. Probably some guy pouring a $10 bottle of magic car potion into your tank...Mar 06 09:40
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DaemonFChttp://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26448158Mar 06 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | BBC News - Apple security rules leave inherited iPad useless, say sons [ http://ur1.ca/grohc ]Mar 06 09:43
DaemonFCApple turned this iPad into a brick.Mar 06 09:43
DaemonFCI need to get change for the laundromat while I'm out today. :PMar 06 09:46
DaemonFCI can't use mom's washer until they fix that drain pipe.Mar 06 09:46
MinceR"security" rulesMar 06 09:47
DaemonFCyeahMar 06 09:52
DaemonFCDave wanted an iPhone.Mar 06 09:52
DaemonFCI convinced him to get an Android phone though.Mar 06 09:52
MinceR:)Mar 06 09:53
prurigroDaemonFC: convince him to get xprivacy and afwall too then, and to use the minimal BaNkS gapps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2012857Mar 06 09:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.xda-developers.com | [GApps][Standard/Minimal][4.4.2][2-27-2014] | Google Nexus 5 | xda-developers [ http://ur1.ca/grpe2 ]Mar 06 09:55
prurigroand to do his best to stick to using f-droid, and sync his contacts/calendar with a personal owncloud instance or just not sync his contacts/calendarMar 06 09:55
prurigroandroid can be awesome, but it starts out as bad as iOS sometimes, and even worse in a few casesMar 06 09:56
MinceRsyncing to owncloud is relevant to my interestsMar 06 09:56
prurigroMinceR: been doing it for quite some time- can I help you along in any way?Mar 06 09:57
MinceRi wasn't aware it can be done at all, before this point. is there a howto or something?Mar 06 09:57
MinceRit certainly sounds more attractive than just relying on GPE utilities. :>Mar 06 09:57
prurigroMinceR: GPE? it's absolutely awesome- owncloud even got a plugin recently that adds firefox syncMar 06 09:58
MinceRfirefox sync i was already mulling :)Mar 06 09:58
prurigrohahaMar 06 09:59
DaemonFCGas is up to $3.75 right now. Ugh.Mar 06 09:59
DaemonFCThat means it would cost $75 to fill my tank from E to F. :PMar 06 09:59
prurigroMinceR: I'd tried to set it up myself a while back and had some issues, but the owncloud plugin is a couple of steps and then doneMar 06 09:59
MinceRthat must be a big tank :>Mar 06 10:00
DaemonFC20 gallonsMar 06 10:01
DaemonFCThey reduced the tank size on my mom's new carMar 06 10:01
DaemonFCshe had an '03 Impala with a 17 gallon tank.Mar 06 10:02
DaemonFCThe new one only has a 14 gallon tank.Mar 06 10:02
MinceRthat or my tank is far from empty when the warning light comes on :>Mar 06 10:02
DaemonFCI have no idea why they did that.Mar 06 10:02
MinceRi tend to fill 40 l to full and the tank is 60 l iircMar 06 10:02
DaemonFCMinceR: The idiot light usually comes on when you have 2-3 gallons left.Mar 06 10:02
DaemonFCThe idea is that you should be able to get to a station before you run out.Mar 06 10:02
MinceRwell, i think the smaller tank is lighter, allowing for lower fuel consumptionMar 06 10:02
MinceRespecially if you fill it up completely every time.Mar 06 10:03
MinceRbut maybe that's not the pointMar 06 10:03
DaemonFCwell, 8.3 pounds per gallonMar 06 10:03
DaemonFCYou lose about 2% of your gas mileage for every 100 pounds of weight on the car.Mar 06 10:03
DaemonFCSo, keeping mine at half or less would give me just slightly under 2% better gas mileage.Mar 06 10:03
DaemonFCI might start doing that.Mar 06 10:04
MinceR:>Mar 06 10:04
DaemonFCI filled up to F the other day and topped the tank because it was down to $3.11 and my phone started warning me about the price spike.Mar 06 10:04
DaemonFCSo it saved me a little over $6. :)Mar 06 10:04
DaemonFCI like to top up before a price spike. Then I can usually wait until it goes back down before I have to buy more.Mar 06 10:05
DaemonFCIt spikes in Fort Wayne, and then I have about 24 hours before the price spike hits the town where I live.Mar 06 10:06
DaemonFCIf it's super expensive (like last year when it hit $4.25), I never fill up the entire tank.Mar 06 10:06
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DaemonFCThe EPA has a "low sulfur" rule coming up that will increase gas prices by 9 cents per gallon. Grrr...Mar 06 10:09
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DaemonFCI read one comment where a guy said that station owners should refuse to sell gas to anyone with an Obama bumper sticker on their car.Mar 06 10:10
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 06 10:12
DaemonFCJohnny, roll a ball of hash, and make sure it's the bomb, cause the devil's got the kind of stuff they smoked in Vietnam.Mar 06 10:12
DaemonFCYou'll get a million smackaroos in cash if you can cope, but if you can't, the devil gets your dope! Mar 06 10:12
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/03/not-dead-after-all-microsoft-to-talk-directx-12-at-gdc/Mar 06 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Not dead after all: Microsoft to talk DirectX 12 at GDC | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/grq2c ]Mar 06 10:40
Sosumithat and nvidia sending me dx11 propagandaMar 06 10:40
Sosumiand about reserving my seat at some presentation involving nvidia stuff+dx11Mar 06 10:41
Sosumiand what will m$ do next? confine dx12 to winblows 8.2?Mar 06 10:42
Sosumiand counting with the japanese launchMar 06 10:44
Sosumips4 is counting 6 million sellsMar 06 10:44
DaemonFC"Porting DirectX 12 to Windows 7 and 8 would require significantly rearchitecting those operating systems, so we've limited it to 3% of our users and no developer will ever actually touch it until it is 5-6 years old."Mar 06 10:57
DaemonFCThat's what you can expect to hear. :)Mar 06 10:57
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Sosumiand as mentioned beforeMar 06 11:34
Sosumihaven't seen a single xbone on sale here in portugalMar 06 11:35
Sosumiperhaps m$ has given up on its gaming divisionMar 06 11:35
Sosumior what is left of itMar 06 11:35
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DaemonFCI opened up a package of tomatoes from ALDI, and they were rotting.Mar 06 12:18
DaemonFCI think I'm going to take them back today and get my money back.Mar 06 12:19
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 06 12:30
DaemonFCShe left the computer to her son, which makes it her son's computer.Mar 06 12:30
DaemonFCSince it runs Apple's proprietary software, it's useless now because Apple refuses to unlock it and it can't be made to run freedom respecting software like GNU/Linux instead, because Apple has stopped the owner from doing that too.Mar 06 12:30
DaemonFCI hope he learns his lesson, since he's now the proud owner of a doorstop. Mar 06 12:30
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 06 12:37
DaemonFCBesides, I don't think many people want freedom from porn.Mar 06 12:37
DaemonFCAbout half the traffic on the internet is Netflix, and about the other half is porn sites.Mar 06 12:37
DaemonFCBut Mormons should remember to not leave their buddies masturbating on the battlefield! :) Mar 06 12:37
Sosumiyou can run gnu/linux on macsMar 06 12:48
Sosumiprovided that it is not a core duo modelMar 06 12:48
Sosumisince crapple kind of screwed voltage regulation in those models by implementing via softwareMar 06 12:49
Sosumi*itMar 06 12:49
Sosumiand the drivers are only for osx and winblowsMar 06 12:49
Sosumiif it is a ppc modelMar 06 12:50
Sosumithen there is ppc fedora and yellow dog linuxMar 06 12:50
Sosumiso, hardly a doorstepMar 06 12:50
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Sosumialso crimea seems to want to join the russian federationMar 06 12:52
Sosumiand if the US starts imposing sanctions on russiaMar 06 12:52
Sosumior steps out of the lineMar 06 12:52
Sosumiexpect assets from US/EU entities to be seizedMar 06 12:53
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Sosumiand probably for russia to dump the petro dollarMar 06 12:53
SosumientirelyMar 06 12:54
MinceR134902 < Sosumi> since crapple kind of screwed voltage regulation in those models by implementing via softwareMar 06 12:55
MinceRlolMar 06 12:55
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 06 12:56
DaemonFCShe left the computer to her son, which makes it her son's computer.Mar 06 12:56
DaemonFCSince it runs Apple's proprietary software, it's useless now because Apple refuses to unlock it and it can't be made to run freedom respecting software like GNU/Linux instead, because Apple has stopped the owner from doing that too.Mar 06 12:56
DaemonFCI hope he learns his lesson, since he's now the proud owner of a doorstop that probably cost $700-800. Mar 06 12:56
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 06 12:57
DaemonFCIf Apple continues to refuse to unlock the computer, the judge should also order Apple to either replace it with a new computer or to give him the price of a replacement.Mar 06 12:57
DaemonFCI think he should ask for the cash so he can buy a Nexus 7, which has Android, but can also run at least Ubuntu, and maybe other versions of GNU/Linux.Mar 06 12:57
DaemonFCThen he should order Apple to give him a copy of everything his mother paid for on the iTunes store, at no additional charge. Or a refund for everything he lost access to. I'd ask for a refund.Mar 06 12:57
DaemonFCThen he should order Apple to pay the court costs and fair compensation for the man's time and trouble caused by having to take Apple to court.Mar 06 12:57
DaemonFCI don't believe there is porn on the iTunes store. They even absurdly rate web browsers (other than Safari, of course) as 18+ because they "could potentially be used to view pornography". Well, no ****, Sherlock!Mar 06 12:57
DaemonFCCan Safari not be used to view porn?Mar 06 12:57
DaemonFCIronically, about five minutes after Steve Jobs declared that iPad users had freedom from porn, sites like "ipadporn" started popping up, streaming the porn as HTML 5 video that was compatible with iPad and other web browser and devices. Mar 06 12:57
MinceR:>Mar 06 12:58
DaemonFChttp://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/mar/02/poor-Mar 06 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Thrown in jail for being poor: the booming for-profit probation industry | Money | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/grsbh ]Mar 06 13:13
DaemonFCI've never had so much as a speeding ticket.Mar 06 13:13
DaemonFCMy mom yells at me for doing 55 on the highway to save some gas when I'm not in a particular hurry.Mar 06 13:13
MinceRi've never had speeding tickets, only parking finesMar 06 13:14
DaemonFCWell, I've had two parking tickets, but they were issued by campus cops when I was visiting someone.Mar 06 13:14
MinceR(parking is managed in an utterly retarded and sleazy way in budapest)Mar 06 13:14
DaemonFCSo I just dropped a letter in the mail that said I wasn't a student.Mar 06 13:14
MinceR:>Mar 06 13:15
DaemonFCThey tried to get me for $55 each time, but there's nothing they can do because I wasn't a student.Mar 06 13:15
DaemonFCThey don't tell you that they can't do anything about it if you're not a student, but the truth is that they can't.Mar 06 13:16
DaemonFCI suppose that if you do it again, they could have your car towed.Mar 06 13:16
DaemonFCI don't have any dental insurance, so I go to the IPFW dental clinic to get my teeth cleaned.Mar 06 13:17
DaemonFCThat's a hell of a walk. The closest free parking for non-students is about two miles away.Mar 06 13:17
DaemonFCI'm pretty pedantic about keeping my teeth cleaned.Mar 06 13:18
DaemonFCI even got one of those expensive toothbrushes that does the whole polishing thing.Mar 06 13:19
MinceRi use an electric toothbrush for that :>Mar 06 13:19
DaemonFCyeah, I stocked up on heads when they sent out some junk mail.Mar 06 13:19
DaemonFCI dumpster dived the post office trash bin for more. :PMar 06 13:20
MinceR:>Mar 06 13:20
DaemonFCThe coupon was $7 off.Mar 06 13:20
DaemonFCThey're like $20 for three heads.Mar 06 13:20
DaemonFCThat's obscene.Mar 06 13:20
DaemonFCMinceR: That reminds me of a bad joke.Mar 06 13:23
DaemonFCA man cloned himself. One day, he came home from work early and caught the clone in bed with his wife.Mar 06 13:23
DaemonFCSo they got into a fight, and the man pushed the clone out of the window, to his death.Mar 06 13:23
DaemonFCThe cops charged him with making an obscene clone fall.Mar 06 13:24
MinceRi don't get it.Mar 06 13:24
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpoonerismMar 06 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Spoonerism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMar 06 13:25
MinceRoh.Mar 06 13:25
MinceRyes, it's bad.Mar 06 13:26
SosumiMinceR, yesMar 06 13:45
Sosumicore duo's voltage regulation was normally done through an external controllerMar 06 13:46
Sosumibut crapple did via softwareMar 06 13:46
Sosumi*itMar 06 13:46
DaemonFCI think I'll just go inside the drugstore to pick up my prescription this time.Mar 06 13:46
Sosumiso even running windows on those models without the bootcamp driversMar 06 13:47
DaemonFCLast time I went, the lady that stares off into space and only serves one lane was working.Mar 06 13:47
Sosumiyou risk frying the cpuMar 06 13:47
DaemonFCI ended up having to honk my horn to get her attention.Mar 06 13:47
Sosumimodels after that had the voltage regulator built in the cpuMar 06 13:48
msbAre there HTML5-only websites with videos?  Can you download the videos?Mar 06 13:56
msbI'm confused about this whole thing.  Watching videos on websites seems useless to me if you can't download and save them, because they can be removed from the web at any time.Mar 06 13:58
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/crimea-may-or-may-not-be-part-russia-momentMar 06 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Crimea May (Or May Not) Be Part Of Russia As Of This Moment | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/grsxu ]Mar 06 13:59
msbWhat kind of video file do you get if you download a video from an HTML5 web page?Mar 06 13:59
Sosumiat this momentMar 06 13:59
Sosumirussia 2; eurogarchs/US demagogues: 0Mar 06 14:00
Sosumiactually, eurogarchs: -1Mar 06 14:00
Sosumibecause of the bid by his excelence "cabrão" Barroso in giving 11 billion to ukraineMar 06 14:01
Sosumiwhen everyone in the is under killer austerityMar 06 14:01
Sosumi*EUMar 06 14:01
msbDo the Rothschild banks get the profit from the austerity?Mar 06 14:02
Sosumiwell ofcMar 06 14:02
Sosumiwho do you think that holds the debt and buys treasury bonds and so onMar 06 14:03
Sosumithe big financial players through hedgefund groups and son onMar 06 14:03
msbAnd the Ukraine Nazis have now inflicted that on their country.Mar 06 14:03
Sosumino, actually what they did was excalate the crap that had been done by YanoukovichMar 06 14:04
Sosumiand his predecessorsMar 06 14:04
msbWhat crap?Mar 06 14:05
Sosumithey came even to the point of yelling support for UmarovMar 06 14:05
Sosumicorruption, damning deals with both the EU and russiaMar 06 14:05
Sosuminamely when it comes to gas transitMar 06 14:06
msbSo what about HTML5 videos?  Are they a part of all this?Mar 06 14:06
msbGas pipelines?Mar 06 14:07
Sosumiyes, they go through ukraineMar 06 14:07
Sosumifrom russiaMar 06 14:07
MinceRwith loveMar 06 14:07
msbSo a source of profit for Ukraine.Mar 06 14:07
Sosumi:)Mar 06 14:07
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msbAnd are there HTML5 videos of these pipelines?  Or of anything?Mar 06 14:09
msbWhere would I find an HTML5 web page so I can try downloading its video(s)?Mar 06 14:12
Sosumiit depends on what HTML5 meansMar 06 14:13
Sosumimaybe Gazpron, exports Hot Transexual Males Level 5 to europeMar 06 14:14
MinceRlolMar 06 14:14
Sosumior whateverMar 06 14:15
msbVia Ukraine, right?Mar 06 14:15
SosumiyepMar 06 14:15
msbI knew there was a connection.Mar 06 14:15
Sosumibut that is not the full dealMar 06 14:16
msbtechrights is actually the decision forum for the highest level of world domination -- the eye in the pyramid!Mar 06 14:17
Sosumiin fact,Mar 06 14:17
Sosumithere's a japan connectionMar 06 14:17
Sosumiand a tel aviv connectionMar 06 14:18
msbWorld control through anime'?Mar 06 14:18
Sosumisince it appears gazpron also has rights thereMar 06 14:18
Sosumiin the gay capital of the worldMar 06 14:18
Sosumino!Mar 06 14:18
msbSan Francisco?Mar 06 14:18
Sosumiít's a plot to turn western males into sissiesMar 06 14:19
Sosumiso that when the commmies come out of hidingMar 06 14:19
Sosumithere wont be much left to deter the advancement of the new red armyMar 06 14:19
Sosumisee?Mar 06 14:19
Sosuminot even alex jones and his goon squad could have with something as good as this conjectureMar 06 14:20
Sosumi*comeMar 06 14:20
msbRight!  The length of the word "commmmmies" indicates the size of their schlongs.Mar 06 14:20
Sosumiand why should techrights be the eye in the pyramidMar 06 14:22
Sosumiwhy can't it be the eye above the eye in the pyramid?Mar 06 14:22
Sosumiif we're talking about power, manipulation and deceptionMar 06 14:23
msbDamn, you are all ETs!  I knew it!Mar 06 14:23
Sosumiwhy not be at the top of everything?Mar 06 14:23
MinceRthe "I" of the storm!Mar 06 14:23
Sosumibetter stop the trollingMar 06 14:23
msbYou are not abducting me for an anal probe!  No way!Mar 06 14:24
Sosumior we'll give a bad impression to DrPizzaMar 06 14:24
msbDrPizza *is* a bad impression.Mar 06 14:24
SosumiLOLMar 06 14:24
Sosumiwell, I was going to mock him in that sort of wayMar 06 14:25
Sosumibut nvm that nowMar 06 14:25
MinceR(flash) (audio) http://jonesrock.ytmnd.com/Mar 06 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jonesrock.ytmnd.com | YTMND - Indiana Jones Can't Stop the RockMar 06 14:25
MinceRi don't care what impression DrPizza gets.Mar 06 14:25
msbI'm pretty sure some MS-thug from COLA was using that nick a couple years ago.Mar 06 14:27
MinceRhe's that m$-thug, isn't he?Mar 06 14:27
SosumiCOLA?Mar 06 14:27
SosumiColloquy of Large Animals?Mar 06 14:28
MinceRSosumi: comp.os.linux.advocacyMar 06 14:28
Sosumiusenet group?Mar 06 14:28
MinceRindeedMar 06 14:28
msbPerhaps "flatfish".Mar 06 14:29
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msbBeen lying about Linux in COLA for 14 years, saying it destroyed his computer, etc.Mar 06 14:31
msbHe used to forge articles in my name advocating unsanitary gay activities.  He's some kind of fundie christian.Mar 06 14:34
msbUsed hundreds of pseudonyms.  People used to keep lists of them.Mar 06 14:34
msbReal name Gary Stewart.  Mar 06 14:40
msbLived in New York City.  Some kind of musician.  Ring any bells with Dr Pizza?Mar 06 14:41
MinceRdunno. what i seem to remember is that DrPizza is a m$/DRM troll from arse technica.Mar 06 14:42
msbThe m$/DRM part certainly fits.Mar 06 14:43
MinceRor swpatMar 06 14:43
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cubezzzsounds like a nutbar to meMar 06 15:24
cubezzzanyways remember 1995?Mar 06 15:27
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/freebsd-1995.jpegMar 06 15:28
MinceR:)Mar 06 15:28
Sosumimade in usaMar 06 15:38
SosumiNATO's Rasmoussen and Yatsenyuk in press conference togethermMar 06 15:41
Sosumijust nowMar 06 15:41
Sosumiyatsenyuk = maidan skin headMar 06 15:42
Sosumicanada announced sanctions against russiaMar 06 15:44
Sosumiwatch those canadian assets going all the way tot he pocket of the russian stateMar 06 15:44
Sosumifun funMar 06 15:45
Sosumiall I can say is that this has been an enjoyable weakMar 06 15:45
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MinceRi thought yatsenyuk was one of the more moderate protesters :>Mar 06 15:49
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/ukraine-acting-president-loses-it-over-crime-against-nation-crimea-referendumMar 06 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Ukraine Acting President Loses It Over "Crime Against Nation" Crimea Referendum | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/grv96 ]Mar 06 17:16
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/441611450092896256Mar 06 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Well, you can beat a dead horse...Mar 06 17:26
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441625569093234688  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441624432772403200  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441624059806507008  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441623523195633664Mar 06 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Totally Legal Computer http://t.co/YAJfaJ46ex "The OS is the core of your computing experience" #gnu #linuxMar 06 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thedailystar.net | Totally Legal ComputerMar 06 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 3D Printing's Next Revolution: Linux http://t.co/DA3YFgbg6D #linuxMar 06 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.computerworlduk.com | 3D Printing's Next Revolution: Linux - Open EnterpriseMar 06 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ubuntu is the most used OS for production OpenStack deployments http://t.co/7TGNsss3mK #openstack #gnu #linux #ubuntuMar 06 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com | Ubuntu is the most used OS for production OpenStack deployments » MuktwareMar 06 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Packaged Linux Delivers Network Functions Virtualization http://t.co/pN5PgtuQrb #linux #gnuMar 06 17:26
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441623375002480640  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441622986677059584  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441621203770675200  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441614174779875328Mar 06 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Wanted: Linux professionals http://t.co/bRwaQl8975 #gnu too, not just #linux - the command line dominated by GNU.Mar 06 17:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Popcorn Time lets you stream torrent movies on your Linux desktop http://t.co/Ew6G2nydil #gnu #linuxMar 06 17:27
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schestowitz_log_https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3727193 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3727177Mar 06 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Linux Foundation to Build Massive Open Online Course Program With edX, Increase Access to Linux Training for All http://t.co/ZCmsakCiYvMar 06 17:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Today in #Techrights http://t.co/R7ynJanBizMar 06 17:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A Parade of (GNU/)Linux-powered Mobile Operating Systems http://techrights.org/2014/03/06/linux-powered-mobile-os/ #gnu #linux #phonesMar 06 17:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 6/3/2014: GamesMar 06 17:27
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schestowitz_log_http://kotaku.com/killstreaks-tell-us-how-you-really-feel-1537157155Mar 06 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kotaku.com | Killstreaks: Tell Us How You Really Feel [ http://ur1.ca/grvlk ]Mar 06 17:43
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441626667283652608  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441626957982486528  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441627625753419776  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441627975650656256Mar 06 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Between the NSA and Patriot Act, is data privacy extinct? http://t.co/n1FCqYzwj9 #nsa is against the law. Use the law.Mar 06 17:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Telecoms Push Back on NSA Proposal http://t.co/uhPOuOu8SS #nsa not happy http://t.co/sel5wLtPlpMar 06 17:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We are reminded that Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. http://t.co/zumWjNzXvG #putin and #hitler nominated, #obama and #kissinger wonMar 06 17:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Being selected to run a religion is now Nobel Peace Prize-worthy? http://t.co/9hrmMZVI8iMar 06 17:44
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441628438999601152  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441628934946717698  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441629757919481856  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/441629824831205377Mar 06 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Terrolism and journarism http://t.co/8Er8YjvKwe how two concepts get mixed upMar 06 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.upi.com | NSA chief hints at 'media-leak' legislation [VIDEO] - UPI.comMar 06 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "drone insanity gripped investors. They ran up the stock of drone maker AeroVironment by $6.71, or 21.33%" http://t.co/UfhyyVvsZ9Mar 06 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.marketwatch.com | Drone insanity grips investors - MarketWatchMar 06 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Karan Casey Concert to Support Anti-Drone Protests http://t.co/ruDGIvXWHD #drones #cia #droNSAMar 06 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ithaca.com | Karan Casey Concert to Support Anti-Drone Protests - Ithaca Times : NewsMar 06 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'Leftist' #cnn bashes GOP, not #putin http://t.co/zsi4oLJzJ9 the politics of partisanship in corporate mediaMar 06 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> edition.cnn.com | Opinion: GOP's hypocrisy on Ukraine hurts America - CNN.comMar 06 17:45
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/large-dinosaur-from-portugal-may-have-been-top-european-predator/Mar 06 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Large dinosaur from Portugal may have been top European predator | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/grvn5 ]Mar 06 17:48
Sosumiportugal gets the mention on arstechnicaMar 06 17:48
Sosumibut a doubt lingersMar 06 17:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #obama complicit in #cia abuses http://t.co/OL0nT2XlOx not just #drones but also illegal #surveillanceMar 06 17:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Russian state media accuses US, NATO, and CIA of using Nazis for their political agenda http://t.co/fKt1fm8vVDMar 06 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> voiceofrussia.com | US, NATO, CIA supporting nazis in Ukraine project - News - Politics - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, VideoMar 06 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Controlling politics in other nations using bribes http://t.co/5kaGGZIyjZ... https://t.co/Boi6vqzoQWMar 06 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2014/03/karzai-corruption-and-cia-bags-of )Mar 06 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com | Controlling polit...Mar 06 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Mark Udall: ‘CIA Tried to Intimidate the Intelligence Committee’ http://t.co/gVGmqXMwN0 domestic enemy: private unaccountable agencyMar 06 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.rollcall.com | Mark Udall: 'CIA Tried to Intimidate the Intelligence Committee' (Updated) | The World's Greatest Deliberative BodyMar 06 17:54
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jukeehi! found this rasberry thing. might be interesting.  http://www.xpl0.org/rpi/index.htmlMar 06 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xpl0.org | XPL0 Programming on the Raspberry PiMar 06 20:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Video Acceleration Takes The Backseat On ChromeMar 07 08:03
TweetTuxMachines                 For Linux http://t.co/pv49FQFCXYMar 07 08:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs2rqMar 07 08:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Our Assignment http://t.co/PEDregxFQmMar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs2rrMar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Linux Setup - Graham Morrison, Linux VoiceMar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/EmNynA3cRnMar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs2ruMar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, SudanMar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines                 & Syria can’t contribute to US based openMar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines                 source projects? http://t.co/veJHXRRbe3Mar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs2rxMar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 21 Being Planned For Mid-October ReleaseMar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/SRWVyCCAhPMar 07 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Video Acceleration Takes The Backseat On Chrome For Linux | Tux MachinesMar 07 08:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs2s0Mar 07 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Our Assignment | Tux MachinesMar 07 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux Setup - Graham Morrison, Linux Voice | Tux MachinesMar 07 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan & Syria can’t contribute to US based open source projects? | Tux MachinesMar 07 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 21 Being Planned For Mid-October Release | Tux MachinesMar 07 08:04
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msb_"Developers from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan.." -- Don't ask, don't tell is a good solution.  It would be a shame for World Community Open Source to be inhibited by fascist US/EU/Israel/Bankster domination.Mar 07 11:34
msb_Looks like the netsplit is healed and everybody's back -- great!Mar 07 11:34
MinceRi doubt that developers from Cuba or North Korea can even get their code abroadMar 07 11:49
MinceRnot sure about the othersMar 07 11:49
MinceRas for RH, maybe they need a subsidiary in another country to get around stupid US lawsMar 07 11:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Running Tux Machines http://t.co/CSLdI5fDfsMar 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs4swMar 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Major new version of free Photoshop replacementMar 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Krita released for Linux and WindowsMar 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/RbS0ieISyxMar 07 12:07
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs4syMar 07 12:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     pCell is only as good as the Linux it runs onMar 07 12:07
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/WvKHjN4m3MMar 07 12:07
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs4szMar 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Running Tux Machines | Tux MachinesMar 07 12:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux cloud world's best kept secretMar 07 12:07
TweetTuxMachines                 DigitalOcean just bagged $37mMar 07 12:07
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/HnyNcgpmKnMar 07 12:07
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs4t0Mar 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Major new version of free Photoshop replacement Krita released for Linux and Windows | Tux MachinesMar 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | pCell is only as good as the Linux it runs on | Tux MachinesMar 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux cloud world's best kept secret DigitalOcean just bagged $37m | Tux MachinesMar 07 12:07
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DaemonFCI'm glad I topped off my tank at $3.48.Mar 07 12:39
DaemonFCMy phone just buzzed again. It's going up to $3.96 in Fort Wayne.Mar 07 12:39
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MinceRgeekingsMar 07 12:55
SosumiKSA just designated the Muslem Brotherhood as a terrorist organizationMar 07 12:56
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Sosumiwhat about the KSA royals? aren't they one of the financial backbones of terrorismMar 07 12:57
Sosumiof which at the time of the Libyan incursion and the egyptian unrestMar 07 12:59
MinceRhttp://ur1.ca/gs4snMar 07 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ioerror: I really encourage everyone to read #Snowden's testimony to the #European #Parliament: http://t.co/Yf4SCJDeoIMar 07 12:59
Sosumithey were supporting the bros from the Muslem BrotherhoodMar 07 12:59
Sosumiit seems to me thx to the failure to actually generate proper resultsMar 07 13:00
Sosumithat the love affair has been termiantedMar 07 13:00
Sosumithe europarl is a just a bunch of empty suits who all they do is found creative ways to insult each otherMar 07 13:01
Sosumi*findMar 07 13:01
Sosumithe real power is in the hands of the commissionMar 07 13:02
Sosumi*cough* unelected commissionMar 07 13:02
MinceRthat's not the point of my link, though :>Mar 07 13:02
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_rvt_np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx6FW6TQI1X6KW#CustomerDiscussionsNewMar 07 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Should we bring back a national maximum speed limit of 55 MPH? [ http://ur1.ca/gs55m ]Mar 07 13:04
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 07 13:04
DaemonFCI noticed that there have been occasional efforts, when gas prices are moving up, to revive the national 55 MPH speed limit.Mar 07 13:04
DaemonFCAccording to everything I've read, 55 MPH is very effective as a gas saving device.Mar 07 13:04
DaemonFChttp://money.cnn.com/2008/03/26/autos/slow_down_save_gas/Mar 07 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com | Speeding wastes gas - Mar. 27, 2008 [ http://ur1.ca/gs55o ]Mar 07 13:04
DaemonFC"In a typical family sedan, every 10 miles per hour you drive over 60 is like the price of gasoline going up about 54 cents a gallon. That figure will be even higher for less fuel-efficient vehicles that go fewer miles on a gallon to start with."Mar 07 13:04
DaemonFCI used to commute about 30 miles each way to work and back. I limited my speed to 55 MPH and turned the speed control on.Mar 07 13:04
DaemonFCIt didn't make other drivers very happy, but it saved me a lot of money.Mar 07 13:04
Sosumiand it is pointless, the present EU acts and well, is, a satellite of the anglo-american hegemonyMar 07 13:04
MinceRapparently the membership of the commission sort of depends on elected people, though :>Mar 07 13:04
SosumiI didn't vote barroso inMar 07 13:05
Sosuminor the baroness ashtonMar 07 13:05
Sosuminor the gullon von rumpoyMar 07 13:05
MinceRyeah, von rompuy is unelectedMar 07 13:05
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_commission#AppointmentMar 07 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | European Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gs56c ]Mar 07 13:06
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 07 13:08
DaemonFCThe tickets issued by the Indiana State Police used to say "Slow down. 55 saves lives and gas.".Mar 07 13:08
DaemonFCI don't know if they still say that or not, but it is true. At 55, you're definitely not going to get any tickets, either.Mar 07 13:08
DaemonFCThe last time I saw a speeding ticket was back in the 90s, when my mom got one. I've never had one. I've been driving for 14 years.Mar 07 13:08
DaemonFCIn the time I've been driving, mom has probably paid the Indiana State Police $500-600. She almost had to go to defensive driving, but a few points fell off her license just in time to get a new ticket.Mar 07 13:08
DaemonFCShe had her license revoked once, but not for speeding, and they didn't even tell her. So, she drove a year on a revoked license and then got this thing in the mail that said "You are eligible to have your license reinstated.".Mar 07 13:08
DaemonFCIt turned out that the new (at the time) state law said that if you couldn't prove you had insurance within 30 days of being pulled over for any infraction, they automatically revoked your license. She didn't have her insurance card, and the cop said "Don't worry about it.". Mar 07 13:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu,Mar 07 13:29
TweetTuxMachines                 compared and contrasted http://t.co/4RMByYKoOpMar 07 13:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu, compared and contrasted | Tux MachinesMar 07 13:29
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 07 13:39
DaemonFCMy boyfriend just made slightly over the income line to qualify for the Marketplace.Mar 07 13:39
DaemonFCI told him if I was a tipped worker in a red state (like Indiana), and made just short of that, that I'd report slightly more tips than I got and pay a little bit more in taxes, but it will push you into the qualification bracket for the Marketplace, where you can get a deep discount on private health insurance plans.Mar 07 13:39
DaemonFCSince Indiana isn't expanding Medicaid, it would get you out of the coverage gap. You'll pay a few dollars more in taxes, but you'll get it all back when you get that $250-300 a month affordability credit.Mar 07 13:39
DaemonFCThat's how perverse this law actually is in red states. It forces some people to lie and claim more income than they actually made if they want health insurance. Mar 07 13:39
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 07 13:39
DaemonFCHell, tell 'em you mowed lawns and shoveled snow for cash and would like to declare that as taxable income, and use that to get yourself into the Marketplace.... Mar 07 13:39
DaemonFCMinceR: At least I got my mom's weasel gene.Mar 07 13:42
DaemonFCIt's probably why I'm still alive.Mar 07 13:42
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 07 13:46
DaemonFChttp://consumerist.com/2008/05/22/poll-can-you-drive-55-should-we-bring-the-national-speed-limit-back/Mar 07 13:46
DaemonFC"After Congress repealed the National Maximum Speed Law and 33 states raised their speed limits, the Cato Institute said traffic deaths dropped to a record low."Mar 07 13:46
DaemonFCSounds like one of those "Number of Pirates compared to rate of global warming." comparisons.Mar 07 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consumerist.com | Poll: Can You Drive 55? Should We Bring The National Speed Limit Back? – Consumerist [ http://ur1.ca/gs5ge ]Mar 07 13:46
DaemonFCI don't suppose it has anything to do with new government-mandated safety features that came into law since then?Mar 07 13:46
DaemonFC"But the American Heritage Foundation claims 12 years of 55 mph speed limits cut fuel consumption by just 1 percent."Mar 07 13:46
DaemonFCThat's because people widely ignored it because states set the penalty too low. New Mexico actually set up a fine of $5 for going above 55 and below 65. The fine was so low that it wasn't even worth the cop's time and trouble to pull you over, so it basically never happened. Mar 07 13:46
XFaCEschestowitz: As we argued last year, for those who seek a cutting-edge, secure, community-driven distribution that is not Debian “unstable”, Arch is definitely an option. One can think of Manjaro, Chakra etc. as the Knoppix/Ubuntu of Debian.Mar 07 13:52
XFaCEschestowitz: actually, arch is MORE bleeding edge than SidMar 07 13:52
XFaCEwhich is awesomeMar 07 13:53
MinceR"if i want cutting edge, i'll buy a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i'll use it."Mar 07 13:59
DaemonFCLast edited by the author 3 minutes agoMar 07 14:00
DaemonFCLDVZ says:Mar 07 14:00
DaemonFCAll too true, it's sad that Americans must down-play or up-play their circumstances to just get the help that the majority so clearly needs. I live in Oregon where the adoption of the ACA was never in doubt, but for these so-called Right-to-work states, it is corporate capital that decides policy. These states are so beholden to corporate interests that they are willing to condemn their poorer residents to yet another century of no health care. IMar 07 14:00
DaemonFCconsider myself an unabashed Capitalist, although, I believe there are certain realms which are best dealt with by state regulation. The free-market Capitalists have had their go, and in their wake they have left vast pockets of misery across America. It's clear that the market does not "fix all." We are going to have to continue to fight for what is right in this country if we are to beat these money worshiping, heartless venture Capitalists. Mar 07 14:00
DaemonFCThere is no compromise with them, they want it all and if not they are willing to sink the ship while trying. They don't pledge allegiance to this country or its people, they pledge allegiance to capital. Mar 07 14:00
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 07 14:00
DaemonFCExactly. Never in my life did I think that anyone would ever get ahead by lying on their taxes and saying they made more money. But, thanks to Republican roadblocks to Medicaid expansion, that is indeed the case.Mar 07 14:01
DaemonFCI can't exactly find a moral reason not to do that. It's a lesser evil than ending up with no health insurance at all. Mar 07 14:01
DaemonFCIt's wrong, it's stupid, and nobody should have to do it, but it's their rules, and you just have to suffer under them. Mar 07 14:01
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satipera@schestowitz hi roy, i have just read your piece in tux machines about running tux machines. i wondered what was the story behind you two leading you to be running tux machinesMar 07 15:21
SosumiECB's Draghi just nowMar 07 16:07
Sosumieuro's island of stabilityMar 07 16:07
*Sosumi wants to pukeMar 07 16:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/2CvSLNd3nnMar 07 16:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs6v6Mar 07 16:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Replacing KDE4 with Xfce http://t.co/eE6yWq6CFKMar 07 16:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs6v8Mar 07 16:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     ThoughtWorks Open Sources Go, a CD ToolMar 07 16:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Do users really need Windows applications inMar 07 16:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesMar 07 16:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ThoughtWorks Open Sources Go, a CD Tool | Tux MachinesMar 07 16:57
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 07 17:11
DaemonFCBill Gates said it himself though.Mar 07 17:11
DaemonFC"Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight."Mar 07 17:11
DaemonFCAt this point, Microsoft has built something with the weight and fuel requirements of a 787, and the standard features of a Cessna. Mar 07 17:12
DaemonFC I can just imagine Dave Cutler's NT in there somewhere under that mess pleading...."Help meeeee! Help meeeeeee!". Mar 07 17:12
MinceRmore like "kill meeeee...."Mar 07 17:17
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schestowitz_log_https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ron+hovsepian&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wwIaU8GDDYWqhAecl4GYBw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=932&bih=1100Mar 07 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.co.uk | ron hovsepian - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/gs72n ]Mar 07 17:34
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 07 17:37
DaemonFCBank robbery - What happens when you go to talk to a bank about a loan and they rob you. Mar 07 17:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android woes could be an opportunity for UbuntuMar 07 17:38
TweetTuxMachines                 smartphones http://t.co/mzQXqBSiDHMar 07 17:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gs73dMar 07 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android woes could be an opportunity for Ubuntu smartphones | Tux MachinesMar 07 17:38
Sosumicuda 6 RC now officially supported on centosMar 07 17:38
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msb_schestowitz: Roy, thanks for mentioning this article: "Replacing KDE4 with Xfce".  It's one of a series of articles (which it links to) for people unhappy with KDE4 (aka The Giant Behemoth), and even mentions Trinity Desktop.  I will post the URLs to Trinity IRC and lists.Mar 07 18:00
msb_http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/199397/Mar 07 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: Replacing KDE4 with Xfce [ http://ur1.ca/gs798 ]Mar 07 18:01
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schestowitz__msb_: coolMar 07 18:39
schestowitz__yes, I know you and cubelog use kde3Mar 07 18:39
msb_For the wacky among ye, note that The Giant Behemoth (1959) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052611/combined is well-seeded in BT, and also available in Usenet.Mar 07 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Giant Behemoth (1959) [ http://ur1.ca/gs7hm ]Mar 07 18:40
msb_in glorious black and white.Mar 07 18:40
msb_schestowitz__: And I'll switch to Trinity if KDE3 disappears entirely.Mar 07 18:41
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/GMagnaCarta/status/442006998578888704Mar 07 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GMagnaCarta: @schestowitz THIS surveillance is wholly acceptable. Can we support them? #globalmagnacarta http://t.co/aMbDnEt605Mar 07 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aspinallfoundation.org | Celebrating 30 Years of Conservation | The Aspinall FoundationMar 07 18:43
msb_and XFaCE (whom I haven't seen for a while) uses xfceMar 07 18:45
schestowitz__yeahMar 07 18:46
schestowitz__[15:22] <satipera> @schestowitz hi roy, i have just read your piece in tux machines about running tux machines. i wondered what was the story behind you two leading you to be running tux machinesMar 07 18:48
schestowitz__Hi satiperaMar 07 18:48
schestowitz__Susan put it on saleMar 07 18:48
schestowitz__In 2013Mar 07 18:48
msb_I do hope the KDE4 apps continue to work under KDE3, having just found that the System Monitor can show me 3 CPU and 1 mobo temperature reading from my hardware sensors.Mar 07 18:49
satipera@schestowitz  i see, thanks, another site i know i can trust :)Mar 07 18:57
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MinceRXFaCE is still here :>Mar 07 19:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     If Beast Died Tomorrow, Chromebook 2 Could BeMar 07 19:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Its Replacement http://t.co/z2KOY04rvRMar 07 19:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     HP 8 1401 Android tablet launched at $170Mar 07 19:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Attack of the 64-bit Octa-core: A Roundup ofMar 07 19:12
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TweetTuxMachines@luqoxoa         @tuxmachines http://t.co/qBlaJBFZlm #ExbhocMar 07 19:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP 8 1401 Android tablet launched at $170 | Tux MachinesMar 07 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Attack of the 64-bit Octa-core: A Roundup of Newly Announced Mobile Processors | Tux MachinesMar 07 19:13
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/what-student-loans-are-really-used-depressing-case-studiesMar 07 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | What Student Loans Are Really Used For: The Depressing Case Studies | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gs8a9 ]Mar 07 20:26
Sosumia part of me died after reading that articleMar 07 20:26
Sosumi$50000 in student loan debtMar 07 20:27
Sosumiin order to stock up the fridge and the stay at home motherMar 07 20:27
Sosumitaking all the courses she canMar 07 20:27
Sosumion the other hand, maybe I should go the US and become a perpetual studentMar 07 20:29
Sosumiliving on the chump change of the student loan while on the side keep doing what I am doing nowMar 07 20:30
Sosumiofc I am jokingMar 07 20:31
Sosumialthough I admit that I've considering in studying biologyMar 07 20:31
Sosumiafter I'm done with physicsMar 07 20:31
Sosumibut university is inexpensive in portugalMar 07 20:32
Sosumibachelor+master is roughly 6000€Mar 07 20:33
schestowitz__Wow, so many Novell execs landed in the same company https://twitter.com/ianrbruceMar 07 20:45
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schestowitz__Hovsepian, Bruce...Mar 07 20:45
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Sosumihttp://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htmMar 07 21:57
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Sosumifrom 1996Mar 07 21:58
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schestowitz__[19:08] <MinceR> XFaCE is still here :>Mar 07 22:22
schestowitz__Less active than he was some years agoMar 07 22:22
schestowitz__[20:26] <Sosumi> a part of me died after reading that articleMar 07 22:22
schestowitz__!google michael moore student loan boot neckMar 07 22:23
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Michael Moore on Student Debt: 'The Boot on Your Neck' - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DM16NjL6Ja2QMar 07 22:23
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Student Debt Video Playlist | Student Body of America Association | http://www.studentbodyofamerica.org/video-playlists/student-debtMar 07 22:23
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Video Playlists | Student Body of America Association | http://www.studentbodyofamerica.org/video-playlistsMar 07 22:23
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Michael Moore: Here Comes Trouble - FORA.tv | http://fora.tv/2011/10/02/Michael_Moore_Here_Comes_TroubleMar 07 22:23
schestowitz__see [1]Mar 07 22:23
schestowitz__Lessig still uses apple garbage http://www.lessig.org/2014/03/help-with-a-mail-client-for-the-increasingly-unfriendly-os-x-platform/Mar 07 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lessig.org | Help with a Mail client (for the increasingly unfriendly OS X platform)? | Lessig [ http://ur1.ca/grhl7 ]Mar 07 22:24
schestowitz__http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2014/mar/1/euro-candidate-vote-2014/Mar 07 22:26
schestowitz__"This election will be hard, and no doubt dominated by the negative UKIP agenda. We are offering something really different - a vision for a Britain really engaged internationally, but pushing for the fundamental change that Europe needs on all levels to make it really work. To make it truly democratic and a politics of the people."Mar 07 22:26
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DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1JMMWMOBGAX38Mar 08 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The GOP had a minority outreach session at CPAC. [ http://ur1.ca/gs9tg ]Mar 08 00:34
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/06/1282678/-The-GOP-s-problem-with-non-white-voters-in-one-awesome-pictureMar 08 00:34
DaemonFCIf you ever need to clear the room at a GOP convention in the future, you know exactly what to do, I guess. LOLMar 08 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | The GOP's problem with non-white voters, in one awesome picture [ http://ur1.ca/gs9tj ]Mar 08 00:34
DaemonFCIt probably works better than screaming "Fire!".Mar 08 00:34
DaemonFCJust scream "black people!" and the entire convention will go running out the fire exits. Mar 08 00:34
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DaemonFCschestowitz:  http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/03/07/new-android-rat-infects-google-play-apps-turning-phones-into-spyware-zombiesMar 08 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com | New Android "RAT" infects Google Play apps, turning phones into spyware zombies [ http://ur1.ca/gsb6a ]Mar 08 03:36
DaemonFCDo we want to respond to this crap?Mar 08 03:36
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prurigro99% of android phones are already spyware zombiesMar 08 04:11
prurigroI guess what people consider spyware these days depends which companies are getting access to your infoMar 08 04:12
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stuufffCurrently shadow boxing Mar 08 06:09
stuufffsaving the planetMar 08 06:09
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/vfdal/status/442068894845386752Mar 08 06:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@vfdal: @schestowitz Comcast appears to have forbidden ANY MSNBC on-air discussion. Alex Wagner failed to ask Julian Assange about it today.Mar 08 06:52
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3724039Mar 08 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Why XFCE beats KD...Mar 08 06:55
schestowitz__"Cinnamon"Mar 08 06:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Do users really n...Mar 08 06:57
schestowitz__"Short answer: No Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo.'Mar 08 06:57
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schestowitz__"Gee. Thanks Comflix."Mar 08 06:58
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schestowitz__"Sounds like Windows users. As far as privacy goes, they probably did better sending the laptop by snail mail. Sending it by email or their vpn would have left copies all over the place."Mar 08 06:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Network firewalls aren't dead yet - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/gsejv ]Mar 08 08:59
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msb_That article "Why XFCE beats KDE" is crap for newbies.  First thing it talks about is installing a "theme", and spends a lot of space on that.  The best "theme" is a neutral gray that doesn't distract the eye.  If you want to see a picture, display one in a window.  This is elementary psychology.  Then the article doesn't even mention multiple named desktops that are very quick and easy to switch between, allowing uncluttered setups for Mar 08 11:13
msb_various activities and projects.  That's one of KDE3 and XFCE's most valuable features, giving you in effect 20 computers instead of one.  At least for KDE3 and Trinity; I don't know how it works with XFCE, and KDE4 has totally ruined it by making the desktop names unreadable in the selector applet.Mar 08 11:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wine Announcement http://t.co/iiHEdPkP44Mar 08 14:19
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msb_http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/05/220125/fcc-questions-state-laws-that.htmlMar 08 18:26
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msb_Very interesting and thorough article there!Mar 08 18:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to get a side launcher like Ubuntu on yourMar 08 18:39
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Sosumihttp://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1748208Mar 08 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardforum.com | Project White Lightning by Elmy - [H]ard|Forum [ http://ur1.ca/gsqio ]Mar 08 22:48
Sosumiloved the tubingMar 08 22:48
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msbUnfortunately, it's the people with little money who are the targets of the political liars and swindlers, because the poor/middle are numerous and cast most of the votes.Mar 02 01:26
msbSo the wealthy liars are going to make their content free.Mar 02 01:27
msbTheir media lying and swindling is how they stay in power.Mar 02 01:28
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DaemonFCI'm glad I did my shopping this morning.Mar 02 03:31
DaemonFCThere's freezing rain outside right now. :PMar 02 03:31
DaemonFCugghMar 02 03:31
DaemonFCI probably couldn't get my car anywhere right now if I wanted to.Mar 02 03:31
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFCReferring a gay person to a "conversion therapist" (discredited pseudo-scientific religious bunk) is an act of hate. All those "ex-gay" programs do is teach people to hate themselves over a fact of life.Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFCBeing gay is a fact of life. Like being six feet tall or having blue eyes.Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFCShe shouldn't have been told to attend a "remediation program". She should have been fired immediately. Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFCIt would be nice if there was a remediation program for Fundamentalist Christians which could successfully convert them into human beings.Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFCBut, you have to want to improve, and they don't. Mar 02 06:08
DaemonFC"As a manager at Walmart, I fired one person for calling me a ****ot. My store manager backed me up. I fought her unemployment case and won. "Mar 02 08:05
DaemonFC"What's really funny is that the woman I fired used Walmart as a job reference.Mar 02 08:05
DaemonFCI told them "she was fired over an integrity issue".Mar 02 08:05
DaemonFCThat usually means stealing. I got like 5-6 calls wanting references and I kept telling them that."Mar 02 08:05
DaemonFChttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/vladimir-putin-crimean-coup-russia-ukraineMar 02 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Crimean coup is payback by Putin for Ukraine's revolution | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/gqd3n ]Mar 02 08:38
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUb2OJn1rgYMar 02 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Family Guy Deleted Scene | DownSyndrome Neo-Nazi | HD - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gqdv8 ]Mar 02 11:17
MinceRhttps://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1939990_10152268391438293_863846184_n.jpgMar 02 12:04
gde33msb: The liars<msb> So the wealthy liars are going to make their content free. <msb> Their media lying and swindling is how they stay in power.Mar 02 12:08
gde33I'm not so sure that would work as well as it does at the moment.Mar 02 12:09
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MinceRhttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1794731_1469697196578376_629768553_n.jpgMar 02 12:56
SosumiI'd rather have russia visiting meMar 02 13:29
Sosumithan some US/nato fascistoidsMar 02 13:30
Sosumior some british inbred lunaticsMar 02 13:30
Sosumiaka the royal parasites and supporting "nobility"Mar 02 13:31
Sosumi*cough* baroness Ashton *cough*Mar 02 13:31
Sosumididn't vote for herMar 02 13:31
Sosumiyet she's there at the EU dictating foreign policyMar 02 13:31
MinceRrussia isn't fascist? cool story bro :>Mar 02 13:32
Sosumiwhen was the last time I've seen russia imposing regime change in other countries?Mar 02 13:33
Sosumiwhat I have to say is when you see russia being the good guyMar 02 13:33
MinceR1956?Mar 02 13:34
Sosumiyou know the everything's FUBARMar 02 13:34
MinceRwhen do i see russia being the good guy?Mar 02 13:34
Sosumidefending syriaMar 02 13:34
Sosumibeing a balance force vs the PNAC policiesMar 02 13:34
Sosumiand yes they were also suplying later after the US alongside with chinaMar 02 13:35
Sosumiweapons to the insurgents in the now former portuguese coloniesMar 02 13:35
MinceRgood thing annexation isn't 'regime change', eh? :>Mar 02 13:36
Sosumiyou mean the anexation of ukraine and crimea?Mar 02 13:37
Sosumithe ukranians themselves are the ones raising russian flagsMar 02 13:37
Sosumiand the military forces are defecting voluntarilyMar 02 13:37
MinceRi wonder which ukrainians, exactlyMar 02 13:38
MinceRafter all, who called the russians into hungary in 1956 was technically hungarian...Mar 02 13:38
Sosumithe ones who don't want to submit to IMF ruleMar 02 13:38
MinceRis IMF rule comparable to russian rule?Mar 02 13:38
Sosuminor wanting to see their country becoming a little china in the middle of europeMar 02 13:38
SosumiIMF rule is a rule of austerityMar 02 13:39
Sosumiand stagnationMar 02 13:39
Sosumisee portugalMar 02 13:39
Sosumieverything came to crawl after the rescueMar 02 13:39
Sosumithere's nothing going onMar 02 13:39
Sosumino development Mar 02 13:39
Sosumi0 new infrastructureMar 02 13:39
Sosumimassive cuts in educationMar 02 13:40
Sosumisorry but for meMar 02 13:40
Sosumia big bomb at the IMF headquarters any dayMar 02 13:40
MinceRso enforcing a policy of austerity is the same thing as taking over a countryMar 02 13:40
MinceRinteresting ideaMar 02 13:40
Sosumiit kind of isMar 02 13:40
Sosumiyou're taking a country economicalyMar 02 13:41
Sosumiinstead of an army at your doorstepMar 02 13:41
Sosumiyou have some folks in a suitMar 02 13:41
Sosumiwith a backpack filled with papersMar 02 13:42
Sosumijust too bad that the portuguese are way too pacificMar 02 13:42
Sosumiotherwise the IMF guys would have been kicked out of here long time agoMar 02 13:43
SosumiactuallyMar 02 13:43
SosumiI call the typical portuguese as some sort of ignorant twat that as long as he has beer and footballMar 02 13:44
Sosumieverything is okMar 02 13:44
Sosumino matter if everything is burning around himMar 02 13:44
MinceRi doubt they're nearly as ignorant as the typical hungarianMar 02 13:44
Sosuminever been to hungary, so can't tellMar 02 13:45
MinceRit's enough to see how hungarians decided to discard democracy in favor of dictatorshipMar 02 13:45
MinceRon their ownMar 02 13:45
Sosumijust like the americans voted Obozo twice? the british call a monarchy a democracyMar 02 13:46
Sosumior the portuguese giving two mandates to former PM Jose SocratesMar 02 13:47
MinceRusians can still replace their government as easily as beforeMar 02 13:47
MinceRthe british are ignorantMar 02 13:47
Sosumiand then voting the fascistoid Passos Coelho inMar 02 13:47
Sosumiof the same party as the maoist BarrosoMar 02 13:47
Sosumiand when you have the collusions in between the the portuguese intelligence services (lol) and private investment firmsMar 02 13:49
Sosumilike the ongoing investment groupMar 02 13:50
Sosumi!google ongoing sis siedMar 02 13:50
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Sosumiwhich also has ties to the portucale group responsible for the BPN bail outsMar 02 13:51
Sosumiaka debt transferMar 02 13:51
Sosumifrom the private sector to the public sectorMar 02 13:51
Sosumibut hey no one is asking for their headsMar 02 13:51
msbThe US cannot easily vote out a fascist president.  The Republicans are openly fascist, and the Democrats are fascists who claim they're liberals but never act like it economically.  They allow GLBT and abortion rights, but that's all.Mar 02 14:09
SosuminoMar 02 14:09
Sosumithey distract you with LGBT and abortion rightsMar 02 14:10
msbWe have a two-party system, and both are fascist economically and in foreign policy and military intervention/invasion.Mar 02 14:10
MinceRthere are other parties and voters could vote for them if they caredMar 02 14:10
Sosumi"if"Mar 02 14:11
msbExactly -- the LGBT and abortion rights are just a distraction, a liberal disguise.Mar 02 14:11
MinceRof course they won't as long as they believe that the democrats are different from the republicansMar 02 14:11
Sosumithat is why democracy doesn't workMar 02 14:11
MinceRbecause the people don't careMar 02 14:11
MinceRdemocracy can't work that wayMar 02 14:11
MinceR(and no other system can either)Mar 02 14:11
Sosumi"if" only they cared...Mar 02 14:11
msbThe people don't know because the corporate media totally lie to them, and that's where they get their info.Mar 02 14:12
MinceRthey have access to non-corporate mediaMar 02 14:12
msbMany care, but they have no idea what's going on.Mar 02 14:12
Sosumiand since when was the role of the media to tell the truth?Mar 02 14:12
Sosumithey just tell what fits the interests of their parent companiesMar 02 14:12
Sosumiand if it is a state owned channelMar 02 14:12
msbUnless they go to the Web, the usians hear only lies.Mar 02 14:12
MinceRmost usians have access to the web, do they not?Mar 02 14:13
Sosumiofc it'll prattle the views of the interests vested in the public offcieMar 02 14:13
MinceR(for now)Mar 02 14:13
Sosumi*officeMar 02 14:13
MinceRnow that net neutrality is gone, it's only a question of time for them to lose accessMar 02 14:13
msbAmazingly, one of the public TV channels carries Russia Today for 30 or 60 minutes on weekdays.Mar 02 14:15
msbMinceR: That may be true.  It's certainly why net neutrality was killed.Mar 02 14:15
msbMost usians don't even know about alternative news sources on the Web.Mar 02 14:17
msbOf course the corporate TV, radio, and newspapers never mention it.Mar 02 14:17
msbMy mother and a friend around here don't use their computers, and both think that the US and Israel protect democracy in other countries.Mar 02 14:19
MinceR:>Mar 02 14:19
Sosumiyou don't even need a computer to learn about british zionismMar 02 14:19
Sosumijust go to a library and pick up a bookMar 02 14:19
Sosuminor to learn that the ashkanasi jewri are eastern europeansMar 02 14:20
msbYeah, but it has to be the right book.  Actually, I only know about jewish zionism.Mar 02 14:20
Sosumithe real semites are the arabsMar 02 14:20
Sosumiyou knowMar 02 14:20
msbApparently genetic studies vary on that.Mar 02 14:20
MinceRsome of the jews are semites tooMar 02 14:20
Sosumithose guys that kind of look like gypsies in their skin toneMar 02 14:21
Sosuminot the snow white princessesMar 02 14:21
msbYes.  The sephardics.  The ashkenazis treat them as "niggers".Mar 02 14:21
MinceR:>Mar 02 14:22
msbThey were the victims -- the Ringworm Children -- of huge X-ray  irradiation overdoses to the head done by the Israelis, instigated by the US govt to find the effects of radiation.  Thousands were killed outright, and the rest suffered seizures, cancers, etc.Mar 02 14:23
msbMinceR: As long as you confuse the concepts of "authoritarians" and "fascists", and as long as your mind is back in 1956, you won't be able to comprehend that the "neo"-Nazis that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc.  They are actual Nazis.Mar 02 14:28
MinceRuh huhMar 02 14:28
MinceRcool story broMar 02 14:28
msbMinceR: You say "uh huh" when you ignore the truth.Mar 02 14:28
MinceRmsb is here to bring us The Truth! all hail msb!Mar 02 14:29
msbMinceR: What part of what I've said to you think is only a "story".Mar 02 14:29
MinceRmsb: you realize that the current russian government explicitly hates gays, right?Mar 02 14:29
msbMinceR: Bullshit!  I can give you plenty of references for this.  Roy even reposted them.Mar 02 14:29
MinceRmsb: you realize that the stalinist government was explicitly going after jews, right?Mar 02 14:29
msbThe stalinist govt is long gone.  This is not 1956!Mar 02 14:30
MinceRmsb: the guys you're trying to whitewash are just as bad as the other sideMar 02 14:30
MinceRif not worseMar 02 14:30
msbI'm not whitewashing them, but they're not nearly as bad as explicit Nazis.Mar 02 14:30
MinceRmsb: also, i'm interested in your "references" about how the current russian government is not going after gaysMar 02 14:31
msbMinceR: Do you hate "commies" so much that you like Nazis?Mar 02 14:31
MinceRi hate them bothMar 02 14:31
MinceRalso, apparently you have reading comprehension issuesMar 02 14:31
MinceRyou might profit from an English course.Mar 02 14:31
msbYou're stooping to nonsensical personal attacks -- proof that part of your mind knows you're wrong.Mar 02 14:32
MinceRyou might want to re-read the buffer/log to see who started nonsensical personal attacks hereMar 02 14:33
MinceRhint: it was not me.Mar 02 14:33
msbRussia is the only major opposition to the US-Israel-Rothschild fascists.Mar 02 14:33
MinceRit's opposition only in the sense "i wish i was doing the same thing in that position"Mar 02 14:34
MinceRjust like how jobbik is considered to be an opposition to fidesz.Mar 02 14:35
msbI said that your mind was back in 1956, when the Russians invaded Hungary, and that colors all your political thinking.Mar 02 14:35
MinceRand you were wrongMar 02 14:35
MinceRrussia keeps proving that they haven't gone anywhereMar 02 14:35
msbHow?Mar 02 14:35
MinceRthe former leader of the kgb is now ruling the countryMar 02 14:35
MinceRrussia is just as imperialistic as it wasMar 02 14:35
msbSo?  It's what he does that counts, not what he was.Mar 02 14:35
MinceRonly they have a different cult behind them nowMar 02 14:36
msbWhat nations is Russia invading or conquering?Mar 02 14:36
MinceRsome people apparently like to pretend that makes all the differenceMar 02 14:36
MinceRukraine, currentlyMar 02 14:36
MinceRviktor orban might hand hungary over to them tooMar 02 14:36
MinceRwith the paks 2 dealMar 02 14:36
MinceRor if a miracle happens and the democratic opposition wins the next election and tells the russians the deal is off, we might be invaded tooMar 02 14:37
msbThe US and EU are the ones that conquered -- regime-changed -- Ukraine, not Russia.  Russia is only trying to reverse that and restore the elected govt.Mar 02 14:37
MinceRyes, replacing a communist dictatorship with democracy is conquestMar 02 14:37
MinceRwhat was i thinking?Mar 02 14:37
msbMinceR: Not everything that happens in the world involves Hungary!!!Mar 02 14:37
MinceRmsb: if you love russia so much, why don't you move there?Mar 02 14:38
msbThe govt of Ukraine was not a "communist dictatorship".  It was elected.Mar 02 14:38
MinceRso you like the current hungarian government too, don't you?Mar 02 14:38
MinceRhitler was elected too.Mar 02 14:39
msbMinceR: That "if you love XXX so much, why don't you move there?" is a very standard political propaganda attack.Mar 02 14:39
MinceRbtw you still haven't provided any references on how russia isn't attacking gaysMar 02 14:39
msbWhy would you say I like the current Hungarian govt?Mar 02 14:40
MinceRbecause they were elected, and introduced an authoritarian regimeMar 02 14:40
msbAnd you say they're nazi-type fascists.  So of course I would not favor them.Mar 02 14:41
msbPutting false words in someone else's mouth is also a standard lying propaganda technique.Mar 02 14:41
MinceRbecause you don't mind being oppressed so long as there's a yellow hammer and sickle on the red flag, not a swastikaMar 02 14:41
msbNo, I don't like any oppression.Mar 02 14:42
msbBut socialism is not necessarily oppression.Mar 02 14:42
MinceRas far as i can tell, so far all forms of "socialism" were.Mar 02 14:42
msbNot in Nicaragua, and not in Vietnam.Mar 02 14:43
MinceR(not what republicans call "socialism" -- to them everything is, that is not them)Mar 02 14:43
msbAnd only in Cuba because it's constantly attacked by the US.Mar 02 14:43
MinceRthat's not a very good excuse.Mar 02 14:43
MinceRsounds a lot like 1984 to meMar 02 14:43
msbCuba was invaded by the US, and sprayed by the US with swine flu that killed all their pigs, and plant-eating insects to destroy their crops.Mar 02 14:44
MinceRvietnam is a single-party state, therefore autocraticMar 02 14:44
msbAnd the US inflicts an economic embargo on Cuba such that no company that deals with Cuba can sell anything in the US.Mar 02 14:45
MinceRautocracy is oppression.Mar 02 14:46
msbEisenhower -- not a commie -- in his memoirs said that 80% of Vietnam would have voted to unify under Ho Chi Minh if the US had not prevented the election.Mar 02 14:46
MinceRand i'm not sure what's going on in nicaraguaMar 02 14:46
msbThey voted for the Ortega socialist regime in the most recent election.Mar 02 14:47
MinceRand how free was that election?Mar 02 14:47
msbNo indication that it wasn't.Mar 02 14:47
msbYou think that all socialists are stalinist, because you are traumatized by 1956.Mar 02 14:48
msbPeople can vote to share stuff -- that's socialism.Mar 02 14:49
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_general_election,_2011#ElectionMar 02 14:49
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MinceRyes, and people can vote to take my stuff awayMar 02 14:49
MinceRthat's socialism tooMar 02 14:49
msbSo?  Hindrance of observation in 20% of polling places could not account for a 2:1 win by the socialists.Mar 02 14:51
msbSocialism would only take (some of) your stuff away if you were wealthy.Mar 02 14:52
MinceRwhy did they need to hinder the work of observers in the first place?Mar 02 14:52
msbAnd if lots of people were poor.Mar 02 14:52
MinceRand an autocratic government decides who's wealthy and who's poorMar 02 14:52
MinceRi've seen how that worksMar 02 14:53
msbAnd a pure capitalist "two-party" government stages 9/11, invades two nations and murders 2,000,000 people, is murdering more with drones, and robbed 28 trillion dollars of tax money to give to crooked banks.Mar 02 14:54
MinceRthat was one country out of how many?Mar 02 14:54
msbThat is the inevitable result of unregulated capitalism, with no limits on wealth. Mar 02 14:55
MinceRno it's notMar 02 14:55
MinceRit does not follow.Mar 02 14:55
msbUnfortunately it's the most powerful nation in the world, with more weapons than the rest of the world combined.Mar 02 14:55
MinceRthere are plenty of countries that have insufficient regulation and no limits on wealthMar 02 14:55
MinceRyet they don't do such thingsMar 02 14:55
msbThe whole EU is inflicting austerity -- which means keeping people poor by robbing them thru taxation.Mar 02 14:56
MinceRnot all of usa's troubles come from lack of socialism.Mar 02 14:56
MinceRso, which state of the EU staged 9/11, invaded nations and murdered people?Mar 02 14:57
msbA graduated tax on wealth would help a great deal.Mar 02 14:57
msbMinceR: That's a nonsense question.Mar 02 14:57
MinceRor it wouldn'tMar 02 14:57
MinceRhow so?Mar 02 14:57
MinceRyou equated non-socialism with those thingsMar 02 14:57
MinceRtherefore EU members not doing that means they must be socialistMar 02 14:58
MinceRdoes it not?Mar 02 14:58
msbI equated unregulated capitalism with those things in the US.Mar 02 14:58
MinceRor could it be perhaps that your premise was flawed?Mar 02 14:58
msbAgain you are putting nonsense in my mouth.Mar 02 14:58
MinceRno, you're putting nonsense in your own mouthMar 02 14:58
msbCan you talk without using lying propaganda techniques?Mar 02 14:59
MinceRyou're trying to twist reality beyond recognition to support your utopia.Mar 02 14:59
MinceRcan you?Mar 02 14:59
msbMy idea of the best system is a graduated tax on wealth, and socialism or social-democracy for large businesses, with capitalism for small ones.Mar 02 15:00
msbI don't claim it would be utopia, but it would be much better than what we have.Mar 02 15:01
MinceRand everyone who doesn't agree with that must be a nazi.Mar 02 15:01
MinceRinteresting.Mar 02 15:01
msbWealth would be limited to something like $10million.  And corporations would have NO political power, no ability to donate to campaigns or parties.Mar 02 15:02
MinceRwhich country implements this?Mar 02 15:02
msbLying propaganda technique: MinceR: "and everyone who doesn't agree with that must be a nazi"Mar 02 15:03
MinceRlying propaganda technique: 152806 < msb> MinceR: As long as you confuse the concepts of "authoritarians" and "fascists", and as long as your mind is back in 1956, you won't be able to comprehend that the "neo"-Nazis Mar 02 15:03
MinceR              that the US backed to overthrow the elected govt of Ukraine explicitly hate jews, gays, etc.  They are actual Nazis.Mar 02 15:03
msbNo country that I know of implements it.  But I think all should.Mar 02 15:03
MinceRmore lying propaganda technique: 153106 < msb> MinceR: Do you hate "commies" so much that you like Nazis?Mar 02 15:04
MinceRmsb: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.Mar 02 15:04
msbLet's get back to this:  Wealth would be limited to something like $10million.  And corporations would have NO political power, no ability to donate to campaigns or parties.Mar 02 15:04
msbMy idea of the best system is a graduated tax on wealth, and socialism or social-democracy for large businesses, with capitalism for small ones.Mar 02 15:05
MinceRa hard wealth limit is a very bad idea.Mar 02 15:05
msbCan you agree that that would be a good system?Mar 02 15:05
msbWhy?Mar 02 15:05
msbWhy does anyone need more than 10 million dollars?Mar 02 15:05
MinceRwhat if i inherit real estate worth $10M but have no food in the fridge, so i go to workMar 02 15:05
MinceRbut i can't get more money so i starveMar 02 15:06
MinceRor i must sell it?Mar 02 15:06
MinceRalso, why $10M?Mar 02 15:06
msbYou can sell $1 million worth.Mar 02 15:06
MinceRwhat if the value of the currency changes?Mar 02 15:06
MinceRwhat if the market doesn't want it?Mar 02 15:06
msbBecause that's plenty more than anyone or any family needs.Mar 02 15:06
MinceRalso, who decides what capital such as real estate is worth in the first place?Mar 02 15:06
MinceRwho decides if my car is worth too much?Mar 02 15:06
msbMarket value.Mar 02 15:07
MinceRwho decides if the prime minister's car is worth too much?Mar 02 15:07
msbYou're nitpicking.Mar 02 15:07
MinceRno, i'm notMar 02 15:07
MinceRi'm bringing up very real issues with your inflexible system.Mar 02 15:07
MinceRalso, it's screaming for people to find and exploit loopholesMar 02 15:07
msbLet's say no hard limit on wealth, but the graduated wealthy tax would be designed to approximately limit around 10 million.Mar 02 15:09
msbYes, loopholes would have to be closed.  That's true of any system.Mar 02 15:09
msbThe democratically elected govt would do that.Mar 02 15:09
MinceRwealth tax causes people to move their capital to other countries.Mar 02 15:10
msbYour car couldn't be "worth too much".  Taxation would be based on total wealth.Mar 02 15:10
msbIt would still be counted as their wealth.Mar 02 15:11
MinceRexcept it would not be visible to the state.Mar 02 15:11
MinceRand of course the richer you are, the easier it is to find and use services that help you exploit loopholesMar 02 15:12
msbForeign investment and banking would be required to be reported.Mar 02 15:12
MinceRso the poor guys get struckMar 02 15:12
MinceRand how do you propose to enforce such a requirement?Mar 02 15:12
msbThe punishment would be imprisonment.Mar 02 15:12
MinceRthe government wouldn't find out in the first placeMar 02 15:13
MinceRalso, some kinds of property cannot be sold in part, the taxpayer would be required to sell the whole thingMar 02 15:13
MinceRwhich would be very disruptiveMar 02 15:13
msbThey could be required to sell some shares of it.Mar 02 15:14
MinceRhow do you sell shares of a house or a car?Mar 02 15:14
msbA house or car worth over $10 million?Mar 02 15:14
msbYou nits could be solved.Mar 02 15:15
msbWhat kind of economic system would you favor?Mar 02 15:15
MinceRi'm not entirely decided.Mar 02 15:15
MinceRi don't have a single system i have as much confidence in as you have in the above mentioned one.Mar 02 15:15
msbCan you come up with one as good or better than mine?Mar 02 15:16
MinceRprobablyMar 02 15:16
msbThen please do.Mar 02 15:17
msbI'd also have a single-payer Canadian style health system.Mar 02 15:17
MinceRdemocratic, regulated free-market system, income tax, VAT, limited government spending (for example, no m$ licenses bought), no wealth limit or wealth tax; opt-in health systemMar 02 15:18
MinceRi agree with corporations not getting political powerMar 02 15:19
msbSo how do you prevent the ultra-wealthy from controlling the govt and media?Mar 02 15:19
MinceRlimits on campaign contributions from individuals as wellMar 02 15:20
MinceRan election system that doesn't distort results in favor of big partiesMar 02 15:20
MinceR(some sort of preferential voting)Mar 02 15:20
MinceRif government media exists, it could be treated as another independent branch of powerMar 02 15:21
msbThose are good.  I'll add them to mine.  But unlimited wealth always enables unlimited power.Mar 02 15:21
msbI'm talking about corporate/wealth controlled media, not govt controlled.Mar 02 15:22
MinceRperhaps even separate elections for all branches of power, perhaps except the judiciaryMar 02 15:22
MinceRfor private media, i'd remove government interference (seeing what it did in hungary)Mar 02 15:22
msbWe already have that.  Doesn't do any good.Mar 02 15:22
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_lost#Democracy_VouchersMar 02 15:23
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MinceRthis could help tooMar 02 15:23
msbWealthy interference with media is just as bad.Mar 02 15:23
MinceRit is, but it could at least have multiple polesMar 02 15:23
MinceRsome of the issues could be solved by regulations to keep the market freeMar 02 15:23
MinceRso you don't end up with the huge media/isp conglomerates as in the usa.Mar 02 15:24
MinceRalso, some of these controls could eventually help fix issues in other areasMar 02 15:25
MinceRfor example, reforming campaign financing and the election system could remove incentives for corruption in other areas.Mar 02 15:25
msbNo.  There's no way to eliminate wholesale lying in the media except by having it controlled democratically and financed by lots of small contributions.Mar 02 15:26
msbHuge wealth always leads to corruption.  It's unavoidable.Mar 02 15:27
MinceRthe government media could have thatMar 02 15:27
msbWhy do you want people to be able to be hugely wealthy?Mar 02 15:27
MinceRbecause i don't think there's a good limit you could pickMar 02 15:27
MinceRand i don't think that the cited issues could be avoided, except by making the limit so high it won't matterMar 02 15:27
msbWhat's wrong with 10 million dollars?  Mar 02 15:28
MinceRit's arbitraryMar 02 15:28
MinceRand its real value will change with inflationMar 02 15:28
msbNo, it's chosen to be much more than any family needs.Mar 02 15:28
MinceRand as i've stated before, the rich will be in the best position to evade itMar 02 15:29
msbProper money policy will prevent inflation.Mar 02 15:29
MinceRfamilies are irrelevantMar 02 15:29
MinceRand if you want people to have incentives to work smarter and more, you're going to have to look beyond essential needsMar 02 15:29
msbThere won't be any rich (beyond $10M).Mar 02 15:29
MinceRpeople want more than just survival, and rightly soMar 02 15:30
MinceRthere will be, just your government won't know about itMar 02 15:30
MinceRin any case, i'd try the reforms i've mentioned and see how things work out before looking for more drastic measures, such as wealth limits, wealth taxation or dismantling the state entirelyMar 02 15:31
msbYou can get a good family helicopter for less than $1MMar 02 15:32
msbIf $10M would only allow you and your family to "survive", you need to talk with DaemonFC!   8^)Mar 02 15:33
MinceR:>Mar 02 15:33
MinceRor the dollar inflated. :>Mar 02 15:34
msbYour reforms would not be enough, because huge wealth always gives huge power.Mar 02 15:34
msbGold/silver standard would prevent inflation.Mar 02 15:34
MinceRit would not workMar 02 15:35
MinceRthere is already more money in the economy than the gold/silver standard could supportMar 02 15:35
msbBut it's fake money.Mar 02 15:35
msbSo it would be necessary to deflate gradually.Mar 02 15:36
msbNot that I'd want most people to have helicopters.  It would be Death From Above!Mar 02 15:39
MinceR:>Mar 02 15:39
msbHybrid SUVs are good.Mar 02 15:41
msbHey, this is good.  I now have a recommended economic system for my website!  And a few days ago, I got here the ideal design for my next computer.  I love #techrights!Mar 02 15:44
MinceR:>Mar 02 15:45
MinceRsure, you could deflate fiat currency and replace it with a gold/silver standard based oneMar 02 15:46
MinceRbut you couldn't have enough of _that_ to support an economy of the current size.Mar 02 15:46
MinceRpeople would probably come up with fiat currency again to work around that limit.Mar 02 15:47
msbThere's plenty of gold/silver/platinum still in the ground, and gold in seawater.Mar 02 15:47
msbAs long as the money is based on stuff with actual value, it's OK.Mar 02 15:47
msbFairly constant actual value.Mar 02 15:48
MinceReven the value of precious metals isn't fairly constsntMar 02 15:49
MinceRs/tsnt/tant/Mar 02 15:49
MinceRand as technology progresses, it will be even less soMar 02 15:49
msbThe value of metals is fairly constant.  It's their price in dollars that changes.Mar 02 15:50
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Sosumi19 institutions doing telephone screenings in portugalMar 02 15:55
Sosumiway too many according the ministry of justiceMar 02 15:55
Sosumiwhat about none?Mar 02 15:55
MinceRindeedMar 02 15:56
Sosumino mention to warrants eitherMar 02 15:57
Sosumialso crapple to push new effort into iAdMar 02 16:02
Sosumitheir advertisement platformMar 02 16:03
Sosumisaid to be announced at this year's WWDCMar 02 16:03
Sosumiprobably means that'll copy M$Mar 02 16:03
Sosumiin which all safari searches and a local searches through spotlight will be logged at crapple's serversMar 02 16:03
Sosumijust like M$ started doing after vista 8Mar 02 16:04
MinceRjust like canonical started doing :>Mar 02 16:04
Sosumiand probably associated with the apple IDMar 02 16:04
Sosumiyes but moronical doesn't charge neither for hardware nor softwareMar 02 16:05
Sosumiso the user can simply shove them to sideMar 02 16:05
SosumiI'm actually starting to think that in the future one might one need to run either windows or to a much lower extent osxMar 02 16:06
Sosumifor some specialized workMar 02 16:07
Sosumilike CAD/CAM workMar 02 16:07
Sosumiand that is if that software doesn't come to gnu/linux down the roadMar 02 16:07
Sosumiwhich it shouldMar 02 16:07
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SosumiI just can't believe that software like catia or autocad inventor are windows onlyMar 02 16:08
Sosumiand that at least, autodesk bothered to implement directx on their suitsMar 02 16:08
SosumiactuallyMar 02 16:17
Sosumithe trends points out to tablets and assortmentsMar 02 16:17
Sosumibut not with gnu/linuxMar 02 16:17
Sosumibut with android and alikesMar 02 16:18
Sosumiwhich are enough for the facebook derplings, minor work and with no need to take to the computer repair storeMar 02 16:19
Sosumiplus isn't the new trend to have the web close and more personal?Mar 02 16:19
Sosumiin the way that a only tablet could?Mar 02 16:20
Sosumikind of like a newspaperMar 02 16:20
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Sosumiand I'm surprised that the new m$ CEOMar 02 18:41
Sosumiwhat was his name?Mar 02 18:42
SosumiSatya Nutella? lolMar 02 18:42
Sosumihasn't made any comment in bringing office into the xboxMar 02 18:42
Sosumiand turn the console into a general computerMar 02 18:43
Sosumiof which it already isMar 02 18:43
Sosumiin a crippled apple fashionMar 02 18:43
Sosumibut since they're now interested in hardware and angering their partnersMar 02 18:44
Sosumiwhat about more than competing with everyone on the low endMar 02 18:44
Sosumiwhich would in turn make manufactuerers offer direct support for gnu/linuxMar 02 18:45
Sosumion consumer grade hardwareMar 02 18:45
Sosumieven if just ubuntuMar 02 18:45
SosumialsoMar 02 18:57
SosumiI'm yet to see a xbone on sale here in ptMar 02 18:58
Sosumiall I see around at the major stores are ps4Mar 02 18:58
Sosuminot even xbox 360 are around anymoreMar 02 18:59
Sosuminot even leftovers from previous packsMar 02 18:59
schestowitz__[14:39] <MinceR> btw you still haven't provided any references on how russia isn't attacking gaysMar 02 19:04
schestowitz__[14:29] <MinceR> msb: you realize that the current russian government explicitly hates gays, right?Mar 02 19:04