IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: March 9th, 2014-March 15th, 2014

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DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	Mar 09 01:29
DaemonFC	Someone noticed me posting on their forum and changed my member status to "Apple Basher". I told them, "thank you".	Mar 09 01:29
DaemonFC	Someone was talking to me about when I worked at Walmart.	Mar 09 01:31
DaemonFC	They reminded me of this annoying co-manager we had. They said "Didn't you just want to walk up and kick her in the cunt?".	Mar 09 01:31
DaemonFC	I said, "Well, she did brag about buying her son a new Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. About a week later, she came in, in a bad mood, and said her son was trying to drag race someone, peeled out from a stop sign, and ran the car into a tree. The insurance company ended up totaling the car. Isn't is just wonderful how some days turn out?"	Mar 09 01:33
DaemonFC	about a minute ago · Edited	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	Of course, whether there's spyware for iThings or not depends on that which we call spyware.	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	Most apps in Apple and Google's store are designed to mine your personal data and spy on you. The NSA even worked with Apple to install backdoors into iPhones and other Apple products at the hardware level.	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	Both stores contain apps from car insurance companies that monitor your phone's GPS. Facebook's app is designed to copy your phone's SMS messages and send them to Facebook, which uses the data for advertising and god only knows what else.	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	In general, I never install an app on my phone on my Android phone if there's a way to do the same thing on a web page through my Mozilla Firefox web browser.	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	You'd be surprised at how many apps are just a portal to a website that gives some untrustworthy company additional powers over your phone, which they will use to steal your personal data.	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	The iPhone also has an additional malicious feature which lets every store you enter track your movements and send you alerts that you might not want.	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	There are a few grocery stores that wait until you get close to the Gillette shaving razors and send you a coupon for them. So, maybe you don't care if they know you like Gillette shaving razors, but they effectively know everything else too. How long you spend in the frozen food aisle next to the pizzas. If you're buying condoms and lube from the "personal aisle", etc. Maybe they'll sell all that to a health insurance company.	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	Do you really want them to know this stuff?	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	The only way to turn off this malicious iPhone feature is to disable bluetooth completely. Even then, it's proprietary, so who knows whether turning that feature off actually turned off their ability to track you, or just shuts off their ability to send you coupons and alerts?	Mar 09 01:53
msb_	Wire a switch in series with the battery, AND keep it in a metal (solid, mesh or foil) case.	Mar 09 02:16
msb_	The whole phone, not just the switch.	Mar 09 02:16
msb_	Or, run a network trace on the spies, and when it finds them, feed the coordinates to a drone with an HE warhead.	Mar 09 02:18
msb_	Should work for the criminal carpet cleaners, too.	Mar 09 02:19
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3735583	Mar 09 05:16
schestowitz__	"When the left Ctrl and the C have worn off, it is a sign heavy linux command line. Like the keyboard I just replaced because it broke after a decade of use. I wonder how long it will take for the new keyboard to look that way."	Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3729683	Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__	"they are fascist only in Putin's propaganda. Comon, there are different people, some are more nationalistic, some less. changing the language law, was not a wise step, of course, but you know, I can understand that people. After all, nothing puts Russian in danger, but the same cannot be said about Ukrainian. But calling the new government nazis, is just what's on official Russian channels, and it's a lie."	Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3730019	Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__	"Appreciate the publicity, even if we did decide to leave photo editing to The Gimp about... 5 years ago? We're a professional digital sketching and painting tool, now."	Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3668930	Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__	"One small step towards world domination..."	Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3735556	Mar 09 05:19
schestowitz__	"Or alternatively, "$ ./run-sketchy-script.sh", then notice it is deleting all our files, repeatedly press Ctrl+C and then spend the next few hours rebuilding the system."	Mar 09 05:19
msb_	I just blew the dust out of my computer while watching the temp sensors, and the two cores got about 5-8degC cooler!	Mar 09 05:25
msb_	Thanks to cpu heat sink with wide fin spacing. Not the one that came with the cpu. Much bigger fan. Cost about $25 and well worth it!	Mar 09 05:25
msb_	Gotta record the anime's on the Cartoon Network tonight. Mencoder uses most of the cpu making xvid.	Mar 09 05:25
msb_	I love Linux!	Mar 09 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve Asks Users to Disable SELinux to Play	Mar 09 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	Portal 2, Linux Community Reacts	Mar 09 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gH8LonAO3c	Mar 09 05:33
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msb_	"But calling the new government nazis, is just what's on official Russian channels, and it's a lie." -- Bullshit! It's also on lots of alternative investigative news sites.	Mar 09 05:38
msb_	...which I gave urls for a few days ago, and you reposted them, schestowitz__!	Mar 09 05:39
msb_	"Turner Radio Network" is a scam site started by Hal Turner, a Nazi provocteur found to be working for the US govt. NOT Ted Turner.	Mar 09 05:42
msb_	provocateur	Mar 09 05:43
msb_	Worse than "Sorcha Faal".	Mar 09 05:51
msb_	schestowitz__: Thanks for command line jpg!	Mar 09 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Spec Sheet: Toshiba and Samsung try to make	Mar 09 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebooks mainstream http://t.co/IWUV83XouO	Mar 09 06:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RIT launches nation’s first minor in free and	Mar 09 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	open source software and free culture	Mar 09 06:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android's co-founder is spending Google's	Mar 09 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	billions hunting for the next big thing	Mar 09 06:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreedomPop's 'Snowden phone' encrypts your	Mar 09 06:57
TweetTuxMachines	calls and data http://t.co/Zh8jLYyswF	Mar 09 06:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sub-$400 CyanogenMod-powered smartphone details	Mar 09 06:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linpus Lite 2.1 review http://t.co/I9FgC1qVFX	Mar 09 07:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What to expect in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Mar 09 07:39
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Sosumi	http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/09/353918/blackwater-members-in-ukraine/	Mar 09 10:44
Sosumi	‘Blackwater’ members in Ukraine’s Donetsk	Mar 09 10:44
MinceR	geekings	Mar 09 11:05
Sosumi	blackwater is kind of a reference to the black color fluids take on a corpse in decomposition	Mar 09 11:09
Sosumi	but they have changed their name twice already after the crap that went on in iraq	Mar 09 11:09
Sosumi	to Xe and now Academi	Mar 09 11:09
msb_	Academi??? What a total lie for a gang of murder-for-hire thugs!	Mar 09 12:09
Sosumi	it is true	Mar 09 12:41
Sosumi	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_%28company%29	Mar 09 12:42
Sosumi	the academi of death	Mar 09 12:44
Sosumi	http://mashable.com/2014/03/07/tablet-pc-chart/	Mar 09 13:24
Sosumi	Tablets expect to outsell PCs	Mar 09 13:25
Sosumi	*expected	Mar 09 13:25
Sosumi	M$ better do what I've been saying	Mar 09 13:25
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Sosumi	by turning their xbox into a limited pc that runs M$ software only	Mar 09 13:26
Sosumi	otherwise they'll just die	Mar 09 13:26
Sosumi	and we'll be left with something to poke fun at	Mar 09 13:26
Sosumi	*well left without	Mar 09 13:27
Sosumi	but this is the dark future I've kind of been fearing	Mar 09 13:34
Sosumi	in which all you have is a piece of hardware with limited functionality	Mar 09 13:35
Sosumi	with all the storage and the required computing being left at a remote server	Mar 09 13:35
Sosumi	the big iron desktop is already dead	Mar 09 13:36
Sosumi	that spells the death of the small iron notebook	Mar 09 13:36
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msb_	"<Sosumi> the big iron desktop is already dead" -- Nonsense! The very article that Sosumi links to shows desktop sales declining very slowly by about 14% from 2012 to 2018. Desktops can have highspeed processors and have several large HDDs to have lots of data instantly available, for about $1200. Laptops add portability but lack the large data storage and some of the speed, for about the same price. Tablets store little data and	Mar 09 17:32
msb_	have a tiny screen -- useless for watching movies -- and an inefficient "keyboard". Easy portability is their only advantage. They have entirely different uses from desktops and laptops. The only reason tablets are outselling the others is their low price.	Mar 09 17:32
msb_	None of this has anything to do with Microshit, which will hopefully gradually die.	Mar 09 17:34
Sosumi	ppl use tvs to watch movies	Mar 09 17:36
Sosumi	many from what I've seen have already relegated all their computing to tablets	Mar 09 17:36
msb_	Desktops and laptops can serve as a wonderful extension of the human mind, if configured correctly. Any song, any movie, any piece of information important to a person, can be instantly recalled.	Mar 09 17:36
Sosumi	the only desktop market that still stays afloat is the gaming pc	Mar 09 17:36
msb_	Most people don't think, have never learned how, and have in fact been taught not to think. Any that drink fluoridated water, take antacids containing aluminum, or get vaccines containing mercury, have been brain-damaged. All of these have little intellectual life. They may be satisfied with a tablet, and watching movies from DVDs using a TV.	Mar 09 17:40
msb_	They are "sheeple". But it's people who do think who make a difference, who advance human knowledge and society, and create a World Community, and (hopefully) save us from the current domination by fascist psychopaths.	Mar 09 17:43
Sosumi	ho, no they actually stream them	Mar 09 17:45
Sosumi	you know? from a tablet or from zee internetz	Mar 09 17:45
Sosumi	via a console or some box	Mar 09 17:45
msb_	Makes no difference to what I said.	Mar 09 17:45
Sosumi	yes, remember that the alien also can emerge from the tv screen	Mar 09 17:46
msb_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc	Mar 09 17:49
msb_	The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! (guess the bot is down again) Russell Blaylock -- neurosurgeon.	Mar 09 17:52
msb_	What alien?	Mar 09 17:52
Sosumi	facepalm	Mar 09 17:53
msb_	What alien?	Mar 09 18:01
msb_	Sosumi: What alien?	Mar 09 18:03
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Sosumi	you need to stop listening to AJ	Mar 09 18:16
Sosumi	and the new age crap	Mar 09 18:17
Sosumi	ofc all tech is a double edged sword	Mar 09 18:17
Sosumi	but the way you put it looks like a slogan	Mar 09 18:17
Sosumi	and actually it is fun to watch the new age marijuana folks prattle around	Mar 09 18:18
Sosumi	because all they do is repeat the slogans that are shoved down their ears by their gurus	Mar 09 18:18
Sosumi	like AJ, david ike, alan watts, blavatski and so on	Mar 09 18:19
Sosumi	and ho yes the alien	Mar 09 18:19
Sosumi	smoke marijuana and he'll appear, for sure	Mar 09 18:19
Sosumi	:)	Mar 09 18:20
Sosumi	but I don't remember who was the alien + marijuana guy	Mar 09 18:25
Sosumi	icecrawler? or icebreaker	Mar 09 18:26
msb_	You just spew out unrelated names and think you're making a point. AJ, david "ike", alan watts, blavatski all said/say very different things. One must use critical thinking, which you don't seem to do, to extract the useful accurate info from each, and many others.	Mar 09 18:28
msb_	Sosumi: Cannabis can help free you from your programmed preconceptions, if you choose and use it correctly.	Mar 09 18:31
msb_	Sosumi: If you think in terms of "new age crap" or "conspiracy theories" you are doomed to be one of the sheeple that Blaylock talks about.	Mar 09 18:33
MinceR	184632 < Sosumi> yes, remember that the alien also can emerge from the tv screen	Mar 09 18:54
MinceR	Samara?	Mar 09 18:54
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 18:54
DaemonFC	"We have two children and a non-sentient parasite that has integrated itself into my systems."	Mar 09 18:54
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/c5joj7q.png	Mar 09 18:56
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 18:59
DaemonFC	Plan C.	Mar 09 18:59
DaemonFC	Give birth and then drop it off with your elected officials.	Mar 09 18:59
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DaemonFC	TOPICWAQ says:	Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC	what's A and B? And technically, drop off is an option.	Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC	I know.	Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC	Remember that time when the stupid Republicans in Nebraska worded the law wrong and people were driving to Nebraska to drop their teenagers off at hospitals?	Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC	TOPICWAQ says:	Mar 09 19:06
DaemonFC	I missed that...editing is important....	Mar 09 19:06
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 19:06
DaemonFC	It was all over the news.	Mar 09 19:06
DaemonFC	At least one woman drove all the way from Florida to drop off her 16 year old at a Nebraska hospital.	Mar 09 19:06
DaemonFC	"You said child! No take backs! Byeeeeee!"	Mar 09 19:07
MinceR	:D	Mar 09 19:09
Sosumi	MinceR, yes, the ring reference	Mar 09 19:28
Sosumi	msb_, if you want to free your mind, start by learning how the mind works	Mar 09 19:29
Sosumi	go study psychology and neurophysiology	Mar 09 19:30
Sosumi	instead of doing drugs	Mar 09 19:30
Sosumi	because once you know how the mind works	Mar 09 19:31
Sosumi	you'll no longer fall for the entrapments of propaganda	Mar 09 19:31
msb_	Sosumi: 1. I don't "do drugs". 2. I know that people create a model of reality in their minds, which is not necessarily accurate. It can only be made more accurate by critical thinking -- access all available sources of information, and compare them with one another and with your own internal model using the law of non-contradiction.	Mar 09 19:33
msb_	Sosumi: Then update your internal model. If you don't realize that your beliefs are your own model of reality, and that you must use critical thinking to correct it, then you have no hope of knowing what's actually going on in the world. Psychology and neurophysiology don't help that much.	Mar 09 19:35
msb_	Sosumi: You must hold your own mind as an object of examination. That is the key. Self-observation, as explained by Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. Without it you remain asleep.	Mar 09 19:36
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msb_	http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/us-backing-neo-nazis-ukraine?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark	Mar 09 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine? \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/gt18z ]		Mar 09 21:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SXSW: Pitivi Aims To Bring Real Video Editing	Mar 09 21:28
TweetTuxMachines	to Linux http://t.co/OKk6gtHM47	Mar 09 21:28
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Sosumi	hum	Mar 09 21:54
Sosumi	crimea	Mar 09 21:54
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/03/20140309_Ukr1.png	Mar 09 21:54
Sosumi	also, Obozo invites coup ukranian PM to DC	Mar 09 21:56
Sosumi	and guys on the field there are now confirmed to be blackwater PMCs	Mar 09 21:57
Sosumi	from tarpley just now	Mar 09 21:58
Sosumi	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/02/1281474/-Ukraine-Ethnic-Purity-Extremists-Neo-Nazis-threaten-Russians-Jews-non-whites#	Mar 09 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com \| Ukraine Ethnic Purity Extremists [Neo Nazis] threaten Russians, Jews, non-whites [ http://ur1.ca/gt1er ]		Mar 09 21:58
Sosumi	"Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.”	Mar 09 22:00
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFC	One of the disturbing things about having a computer with a satellite connection in the car is that the government could shut off your engine, or deactivate the brakes, or.....	Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFC	Eventually, they won't just be taking control of reporters Windows computers and deleting stories and books, they'll arrange for a little traffic accident, and nobody will be any the wiser.	Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFC	When we have self-driving cars, they'll be able to take them over and run you off a bridge or stop you on the train tracks and lock the doors, or....	Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFC	Well, you get the idea.	Mar 09 22:02
Sosumi	what I don't like of these new cars	Mar 09 22:03
Sosumi	is that things like the accelerator are not directly connected to the engine through a steel cable	Mar 09 22:03
Sosumi	but instead it is through a pressure sensor that in turn is connected to the management system of the car	Mar 09 22:04
Sosumi	and as we all know already	Mar 09 22:05
Sosumi	those car's "entertainment system" feedback telemetry to the seller	Mar 09 22:06
Sosumi	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/01/15/is-your-car-spying-on-you/	Mar 09 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com \| Is your car spying on you? \| Naked Security [ http://ur1.ca/gt1gb ]		Mar 09 22:06
Sosumi	https://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/10-security-privacy-issues-you-might-not-know-about-your-car%E2%80%99s-auto-location-services	Mar 09 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com \| 10 security, privacy issues you might not know about your car’s auto-location services [ http://ur1.ca/gfmk2 ]		Mar 09 22:07
Sosumi	and I've read about using that info for car insurance bonuses and so on	Mar 09 22:07
DaemonFC	Sosumi: My car is old enough that it has an accelerator cable.	Mar 09 22:08
DaemonFC	I have driven ones that have the sensor instead.	Mar 09 22:08
Sosumi	mine too	Mar 09 22:08
DaemonFC	I don't know why they changed it. Another expensive sensor that can go out?	Mar 09 22:08
Sosumi	it fits in if they record your usage of the accelerator	Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFC	I hate how they have a $500 sensor on every fucking thing now.	Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFC	"Low tire pressure!"	Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFC	Well, no shit...	Mar 09 22:09
Sosumi	inside the car "computer"	Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFC	"Oil change needed"	Mar 09 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mark Shuttleworth Talks Up The Phone's Bottom	Mar 09 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	Edge On Ubuntu http://t.co/AxIDFPXsAc	Mar 09 22:09
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DaemonFC	Isn't that what the sticker is for?	Mar 09 22:09
Sosumi	for possible data retrieval at a car repair shop	Mar 09 22:10
DaemonFC	Then when you take it for an oil change, they don't reset the sensor, and it still says you need an oil change.	Mar 09 22:10
Sosumi	or on those newer models, actually transmit the data	Mar 09 22:10
DaemonFC	I've seen plenty of people with that light on where they say "Yeah, the shop never reset it.".	Mar 09 22:10
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 09 22:10
Sosumi	mine doesn't do any of that	Mar 09 22:10
DaemonFC	This car is the newest I've owned. It's a 1996.	Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFC	So it does have OBD-II.	Mar 09 22:11
Sosumi	mine's just a renault 21 turbo from 1991	Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFC	That was the first year the federal government mandated that.	Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFC	Some 1995s have them.	Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFC	I've owned a lot of 1995s.	Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFC	A 1995 Chevy Lumina, a 1995 Chevy Corsica, a 1995 Ford Taurus....	Mar 09 22:12
DaemonFC	People get rid of their cars when there's plenty of life left on them.	Mar 09 22:12
DaemonFC	They just want something newer, which is ridiculous.	Mar 09 22:12
DaemonFC	If it's not broke, don't fix it.	Mar 09 22:13
Sosumi	no idea on what others do	Mar 09 22:13
Sosumi	but that renault has served me well	Mar 09 22:13
Sosumi	as it did it's previous owner	Mar 09 22:13
Sosumi	*its	Mar 09 22:13
Sosumi	and didn't cost me a dime	Mar 09 22:13
Sosumi	since it was given free to me	Mar 09 22:13
DaemonFC	I paid $2,200 for mine.	Mar 09 22:22
DaemonFC	Considering what used car prices are up to, that's not a bad deal.	Mar 09 22:23
DaemonFC	As recently as 2005, $2,000 got you a decent 10 year old car with about 100,000 miles on it.	Mar 09 22:23
DaemonFC	Now you're lucky to get anything that runs at all.	Mar 09 22:23
Sosumi	:)	Mar 09 22:25
Sosumi	GN	Mar 09 22:25
MinceR	http://pics.nase-bohren.de/getting-a-drivers-license.jpg	Mar 09 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pics.nase-bohren.de \| getting-a-drivers-license.jpg - pics.nase-bohren.de 0.06 - Wir bohren einfach weiter [ http://ur1.ca/gt1m4 ]		Mar 09 22:35
DaemonFC	MinceR: I don't know why they have a drive test.	Mar 09 22:44
DaemonFC	There's always someone that darts out in front of you.	Mar 09 22:44
MinceR	to serve as incentive for corruption? :>	Mar 09 22:44
DaemonFC	There's always that guy that's going 50 in a 60 in front of you in a no passing zone.	Mar 09 22:45
MinceR	at least i'm sure that's how it works here in hungary	Mar 09 22:45
DaemonFC	There's always the dude that can't keep it in one lane.	Mar 09 22:45
MinceR	there's no way all those retards got a driver's license fair and square.	Mar 09 22:45
DaemonFC	Do these people exist in Hungary? :)	Mar 09 22:45
MinceR	yes, all of them	Mar 09 22:45
MinceR	also, turn lights are apparently a rarely heard legend	Mar 09 22:45
DaemonFC	Yeah. I honk at them and flip them off.	Mar 09 22:46
MinceR	and tailgating is the national sport	Mar 09 22:46
DaemonFC	It won't improve their behavior, but it feels good.	Mar 09 22:46
MinceR	people driving shitty expensive german cars believe the rules don't apply to them	Mar 09 22:46
MinceR	the police don't think the rules apply to them	Mar 09 22:46
MinceR	the rules are getting shittier every year	Mar 09 22:46
DaemonFC	Here, it's mostly pickup trucks that are rusty and as old as I am.	Mar 09 22:46
MinceR	but no problem, since these idiots will probably insist on keeping the nazi dictatorship	Mar 09 22:47
DaemonFC	Economy cars from the 90s that are burning oil.	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	so the roads won't be maintained	Mar 09 22:47
DaemonFC	etc...	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	and will become unusable in a decade or two	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	and the people will also starve to death or be killed by plague	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	or in civil war	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	so it won't last anyway	Mar 09 22:47
DaemonFC	Ford hasn't made anything better than the Crown Victoria.	Mar 09 22:47
DaemonFC	You see cars like mine with 300,000-400,000 miles on them, and still running.	Mar 09 22:47
DaemonFC	CAFE killed the Crown Vic.	Mar 09 22:48
DaemonFC	If they sold my car today, there's be a gas guzzler tax on it.	Mar 09 22:48
DaemonFC	*there'd	Mar 09 22:48
MinceR	maybe because it _is_ a gas guzzler? :>	Mar 09 22:49
MinceR	or the tax isn't dependent on mileage? :>	Mar 09 22:49
DaemonFC	it's whatever the government declares to be a gas guzzler	Mar 09 22:49
DaemonFC	I think the standard is 22.5 mpg now.	Mar 09 22:50
DaemonFC	They increase the fine by every 1 mpg you get under that.	Mar 09 22:50
DaemonFC	MinceR: Mine is EPA rated for 17 mpg combined city/highway.	Mar 09 22:51
MinceR	there you go, it's a gas guzzler :>	Mar 09 22:51
MinceR	(according to the standard)	Mar 09 22:52
DaemonFC	Well, yeah, except the EPA ratings aren't based in reality.	Mar 09 22:52
DaemonFC	They don't reflect how real people drive.	Mar 09 22:52
MinceR	gn	Mar 09 22:59
TakinOver	Crown Victoria? I've only seen cops driving those.	Mar 10 00:10
msb_	Suppose the government decides that people should have sensors, a little computer, and a wifi transceiver inside them to alert them to problems with their heart, liver, brain, etc.	Mar 10 00:16
msb_	"Democracies" may vote to make that mandatory. After all, they voted to prevent GMO labelling and gay marriage in states in the US, and to make totally harmless cannabis more illegal than murder. Voted through their elected legislators.	Mar 10 00:18
msb_	Maybe those same brainwashed idiot voters would vote to make implanted chips and sensors mandatory.	Mar 10 00:19
msb_	And then the govt could keep track of everyone -- where they are and what they're doing. All for their own good, of course.	Mar 10 00:20
msb_	If you went into a Faraday-cage room to block the transmission, the wifi transmitter might go to full power trying to contact the nearest base station and burn a hole through your skin.	Mar 10 00:23
msb_	Of course there would be no way to switch it off. For your own good.	Mar 10 00:23
msb_	I guarantee that psychopaths in the US government are working on this right now.	Mar 10 00:24
msb_	There's even a TV series called "Intelligence" about a guy with a chip in his head that can receive all wifi data. He can identify and track people. The system in his head integrates the data and shows him a series of pictures. He works for "US Cybercom":.	Mar 10 00:26
msb_	He has a beautiful female partner to protect him if he gets distracted by all that data. They just showed episode 9 a couple days ago.	Mar 10 00:29
msb_	And we thought Skynet and Terminators were the worst they'd come up with.	Mar 10 00:30
msb_	Well, I guess the Matrix was worse.	Mar 10 00:30
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schestowitz__	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/01/15/is-your-car-spying-on-you/	Mar 10 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com \| Is your car spying on you? \| Naked Security [ http://ur1.ca/gt1gb ]		Mar 10 04:52
schestowitz__	Sosumi: yeah, real problem	Mar 10 04:52
schestowitz__	but not as bad as cellphones	Mar 10 04:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IT Acquisition Reform Bill Passes House with	Mar 10 05:48
TweetTuxMachines	Open Source Provisions http://t.co/s0YRLNeeVW	Mar 10 05:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt3is	Mar 10 05:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| IT Acquisition Reform Bill Passes House with Open Source Provisions \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 05:48
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Sosumi	schestowitz__: it can be even worst	Mar 10 06:30
Sosumi	if there are means built in to hijack the car	Mar 10 06:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Video interview on the power and innovation	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	behind open source project management	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qe8s8TGr88	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt4qw	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Benchmarks Of Intel's Quark X1000 On The	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	Galileo Board http://t.co/QVYxPO0ps5	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt4qz	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromecast concept shows futuristic redesign	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	and we like it a lot http://t.co/bqF1CIL9cQ	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt4r0	Mar 10 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Video interview on the power and innovation behind open source project management \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sony to bring widget functionality to Firefox	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	OS http://t.co/NTlx3OJqQ5	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt4r1	Mar 10 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Benchmarks Of Intel's Quark X1000 On The Galileo Board \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Chromecast concept shows futuristic redesign and we like it a lot \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Sony to bring widget functionality to Firefox OS \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 09:12
MinceR	geekings	Mar 10 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Not Diaspora? http://t.co/42hLAVOrlk	Mar 10 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt5ed	Mar 10 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Risk Reflex (The Linux Security Flaw	Mar 10 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	That Isn't) http://t.co/OHqO0n8DCm	Mar 10 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt5ef	Mar 10 11:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Distro diaspora: Four flavours of Ubuntu	Mar 10 11:17
TweetTuxMachines	unpacked http://t.co/8Oqn58AaeI	Mar 10 11:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt5eh	Mar 10 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why Not Diaspora? \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat Risk Reflex (The Linux Security Flaw That Isn't) \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Distro diaspora: Four flavours of Ubuntu unpacked \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 11:17
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cubezzz	ok, did a blog on chip fabrication and pollution:	Mar 10 13:36
cubezzz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.com	Mar 10 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.com \| Notes on Linux		Mar 10 13:36
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satipera	@schestowitz i do not know if you are familiar with red matrix or if you have publicised it on your sites. If you have not would you care to take a look and perhaps shine a light on it? https://redmatrix.me/	Mar 10 13:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to	Mar 10 16:57
TweetTuxMachines	protect data in connected cars	Mar 10 16:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kCUCDQIVa7	Mar 10 16:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt79f	Mar 10 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to protect data in connected cars \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 16:57
schestowitz__	cubezzz: I spread links to your blog post some days ago	Mar 10 16:58
schestowitz__	techrights will link to it later this month	Mar 10 16:58
cubezzz	ok, thanks :)	Mar 10 17:00
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cubezzz	here's some more info on TCE and drinking water:	Mar 10 17:14
cubezzz	http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/trichloroethylene.cfm	Mar 10 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-water.epa.gov \| Basic Information about Trichloroethylene in Drinking Water \| Basic Information about Regulated Drinking Water Contaminants \| US EPA [ http://ur1.ca/gt7d3 ]		Mar 10 17:14
cubezzz	here's some IBM 1401 pics you might enjoy (a computer introducted in 1959):	Mar 10 17:23
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1401.jpg	Mar 10 17:23
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1401-control-panel.jpg	Mar 10 17:23
cubezzz	maybe msb remembers it :)	Mar 10 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “KDE5″ and Wayland http://t.co/IOjpHBSpQ3	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7it	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu Makeover May Give Your Linux Life a Lift	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AgbVGHLZRU	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7iu	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Half of EU has legislation on ICT re-use	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kqJkFzYqBO	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7iv	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.14 rc6 http://t.co/I3JL8n8v5U	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7ix	Mar 10 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| “KDE5″ and Wayland \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Makulu Makeover May Give Your Linux Life a Lift \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Half of EU has legislation on ICT re-use \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 3.14 rc6 \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 17:42
DaemonFC	It looks like we're going to get one last nasty snowstorm on Wednesday.	Mar 10 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to	Mar 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by protect data in connected cars	Mar 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	@omicron6 http://t.co/kCUCDQIVa7	Mar 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7qz	Mar 10 18:22
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Sosumi	http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/09/console-crisis/	Mar 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| The Console Market Is In Crisis \| TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/gt7zz ]		Mar 10 19:06
Sosumi	it was like I said yesterday	Mar 10 19:06
Sosumi	the only thing that is surging is the gaming pc market	Mar 10 19:06
Sosumi	although, consoles will pick up once exclusives start kicking in	Mar 10 19:07
Sosumi	as for the xbone I see a bad future ahead of it	Mar 10 19:07
Sosumi	usually what kept the 360 around at first were the paid exclusives	Mar 10 19:08
Sosumi	and the halo games made by bungie	Mar 10 19:08
Sosumi	which were quite mediocre if I must say	Mar 10 19:09
Sosumi	specially halo 1	Mar 10 19:09
Sosumi	didn't bring anything new into the mix	Mar 10 19:09
Sosumi	aside from assisted aiming, lawl	Mar 10 19:09
Sosumi	but the xbone is well bellow	Mar 10 19:10
DaemonFC	I opened all my windows. 55 degrees is like a tropical heat wave compared to the winter we've had.	Mar 10 19:11
Sosumi	in here there was just rain and rain	Mar 10 19:12
Sosumi	but no cold at all	Mar 10 19:12
Sosumi	the lowest temps outside were usually around 15 ºC	Mar 10 19:12
Sosumi	at moment and for the remaining of the week	Mar 10 19:13
Sosumi	it is forecasted to be all sun and temperatures around 20 ºC	Mar 10 19:13
Sosumi	and that basically means summer to me	Mar 10 19:13
Sosumi	since from the hellhole I come from temperatures during the winter were usually negative	Mar 10 19:14
Sosumi	that and scorching summers	Mar 10 19:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sweden's Point of Single Contact runs open	Mar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	source http://t.co/iw9r0Rvwmr	Mar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt89z	Mar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Halts its Development of Persona	Mar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	Authentication System http://t.co/JkO0gFSBTW	Mar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8a3	Mar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source runs web sites European Parliament	Mar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d2dLnklTG9	Mar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8a4	Mar 10 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Sweden's Point of Single Contact runs open source \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mozilla Halts its Development of Persona Authentication System \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source runs web sites European Parliament \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 19:51
DaemonFC	http://blog.seattlepi.com/techblog/2014/03/10/popcorn-time-makes-movie-piracy-as-easy-as-watching-netflix/	Mar 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.seattlepi.com \| Popcorn Time makes movie piracy as easy as watching Netflix - Dwight Silverman's TechBlog [ http://ur1.ca/gt8a9 ]		Mar 10 19:51
DaemonFC	"they’re often laced with malware."	Mar 10 19:51
DaemonFC	Even on Windows, I do not believe that malware can infest a video file, unless the format is WMV.	Mar 10 19:52
abeNd-org	ugh, what is it with google & malware paid links, come on, i know you like money google but must you accept it from those pushing malware? this isnt even apps, this is links in google search, just had to clear off a computer from the person doing a "adobe flash" search on windows & clicking one of the sponsored links that infested her machine with a boatload of garbageware	Mar 10 20:19
gde33	abeNd-org: even worse, they were in a position to set some decent web standards but chose to keep what they like a secret	Mar 10 20:28
gde33	they have a ton of designers guess what google likes, so called SEO	Mar 10 20:29
gde33	for paid links I would do a scheme based on page weight, number of requests, does it use js, if so how much etc	Mar 10 20:30
gde33	I would then bill you for the malware :D	Mar 10 20:30
gde33	the kind of bill that ends your life	Mar 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Out in the Open: The Men Supercharging	Mar 10 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	Neuroscience With Open Source Hardware	Mar 10 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3pGI417YDN	Mar 10 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8i4	Mar 10 20:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Out in the Open: The Men Supercharging Neuroscience With Open Source Hardware \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 20:33
DaemonFC	I bought a new car charger for my phone.	Mar 10 20:38
DaemonFC	I forgot that you can't have it plugged in when you're starting the car, and shorted mine out. :P	Mar 10 20:38
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sebsebseb	hi	Mar 10 20:38
Sosumi	abeNd-org, I think those folks actually deserve that for installing flash	Mar 10 20:38
Sosumi	DaemonFC, always turn off stuff, including lights and radio when starting the engine	Mar 10 20:40
Sosumi	common sense says so	Mar 10 20:40
sebsebseb	Sosumi: openSUSE	Mar 10 20:40
Sosumi	what about openSUSIE?	Mar 10 20:41
Sosumi	last time I checked, she had her legs closed :(	Mar 10 20:41
sebsebseb	Sosumi: uhmm openSUSE, Mint, and Ubuntu	Mar 10 20:42
sebsebseb	at that event	Mar 10 20:42
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I was thinkng if I realy want to email this other group for something else realy abut it	Mar 10 20:42
sebsebseb	I Mean	Mar 10 20:42
sebsebseb	1. I look like a geek doing that for sure	Mar 10 20:42
sebsebseb	2.	Mar 10 20:42
sebsebseb	uh hold on my distro isn't in the event	Mar 10 20:42
sebsebseb	unless yo inclue a mention in the hand out	Mar 10 20:43
Sosumi	I've no idea of what event you're referring to	Mar 10 20:43
sebsebseb	Sosumi: oh same one as before	Mar 10 20:43
sebsebseb	general public thing	Mar 10 20:43
Sosumi	you know	Mar 10 20:44
Sosumi	you could always appear uninvited	Mar 10 20:44
sebsebseb	hmm?	Mar 10 20:45
Sosumi	at the event	Mar 10 20:45
Sosumi	rent a plane and get a parachute tailored with the mageia colors	Mar 10 20:45
Sosumi	and jump in them	Mar 10 20:45
Sosumi	like a boss	Mar 10 20:46
sebsebseb	Sosumi: heh heh	Mar 10 20:46
abeNd-org	Sosumi despite your perfect html5 world, some stuff still uses flash on the internet, especially when it comes to end user applications	Mar 10 20:47
Sosumi	like flash games?	Mar 10 20:48
Sosumi	real end user applications of the sort of important "stuff"	Mar 10 20:49
Sosumi	are done in java	Mar 10 20:49
Sosumi	flash in itself, could and should just die	Mar 10 20:49
Sosumi	*on	Mar 10 20:49
abeNd-org	radio station in this particular case, & yes mgmt allows it, so yes, it is supported by IT per mgmt, so no, this wouldnt fit into your perfect html5 utopia that doesnt exist	Mar 10 20:53
MinceR	205215 < DaemonFC> Even on Windows, I do not believe that malware can infest a video file, unless the format is WMV.	Mar 10 20:53
abeNd-org	flash should die, but it isnt, & hasnt	Mar 10 20:53
MinceR	i suppose a buffer overflow or similar vulnerability could lead to execution of arbitrary code :>	Mar 10 20:53
abeNd-org	os2 should die, but there is still plenty of it out there, sco openserver should die, but there is still plenty of it out there	Mar 10 20:53
Sosumi	funnily how you immediately declared ti has my html5 utopia	Mar 10 20:54
MinceR	how could there be a "perfect html5 world" as long as a drm apologist heads the w3c in cahoots with msft and the MAFIAA?	Mar 10 20:54
Sosumi	when in fact html5 has been infected with drm a while ago	Mar 10 20:54
Sosumi	so, far from being utopic	Mar 10 20:55
abeNd-org	i call it as the way you speak there is nothing in the universe using flash	Mar 10 20:57
MinceR	sites should just link to reasonably open video files and let a real video player handle them :>	Mar 10 20:57
MinceR	(not Real Video, that's crap)	Mar 10 20:57
Sosumi	never intended to make it sound that way	Mar 10 20:58
Sosumi	like there is "nothing using flash"	Mar 10 20:58
Sosumi	plus, flash is deprecated on gnu/linux and it is a broken glass jar poorly fixed with duct tape and camel spit	Mar 10 20:59
abeNd-org	so tough cookies, flash still exists, stop whining & fix the issues instead of crying a river. google's sponsored ads on searches being one of the problems	Mar 10 20:59
Sosumi	so obviously that I'm all for replacing it	Mar 10 20:59
abeNd-org	yeah, well, it still exists, so again, touch cookies	Mar 10 20:59
abeNd-org	tough	Mar 10 21:00
abeNd-org	should it? no, does it? yes	Mar 10 21:00
MinceR	getting rid of flash is the way to fix the issue.	Mar 10 21:01
abeNd-org	ok, so where is a usable replacement, & why is it that places like radio station websites arent using it yet?	Mar 10 21:01
MinceR	there were usable replacements ever since video player applications could stream over http	Mar 10 21:03
MinceR	websites aren't using them because people are stupid.	Mar 10 21:03
Sosumi	I have no idea of what radio stations you're talking about	Mar 10 21:03
Sosumi	but the one I know provide a file that can be opened through vlc	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	or even itunes	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	for streaming	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	much better	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	and it works with mobile devices	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	since flash is dead on android too	Mar 10 21:04
MinceR	(and most likely even an "html5" video element could be used in such a way)	Mar 10 21:05
abeNd-org	sure, people in this channel could configure vlc for streaming, but most "humans" wouldnt know what vlc is, much less how to get it going for streaming	Mar 10 21:05
MinceR	you underestimate the popularity of vlc :>	Mar 10 21:05
Sosumi	that is why those humans deserve all the bag of hurt they get by installing flash	Mar 10 21:05
MinceR	also, regardless of your enthusiasm for flash, the fact is adobe is killing support for it.	Mar 10 21:06
Sosumi	hopefully, they'll apreciate to know better next time	Mar 10 21:06
abeNd-org	& you underestimate the corporate world	Mar 10 21:06
abeNd-org	"(4:00:16 PM) abeNd-org: should it? no, does it? yes" - pretty sure i wouldnt call that enthusiasm....	Mar 10 21:06
DaemonFC	MinceR: Real doesn't have their own codecs anymore.	Mar 10 21:07
abeNd-org	sure, replacing it with adobe air	Mar 10 21:07
DaemonFC	Just a container format that hosts MPEG-4.	Mar 10 21:07
MinceR	they killed adobe air earlier	Mar 10 21:07
abeNd-org	on linux sure	Mar 10 21:07
MinceR	and it failed anyway	Mar 10 21:07
abeNd-org	alive & well on windows	Mar 10 21:07
MinceR	i'm curious of your corporate environment where adobe air is "alive & well"	Mar 10 21:07
MinceR	i'm pretty sure people aren't even aware of it in most "corporate environment"s	Mar 10 21:08
Sosumi	I thought that everyone hated air	Mar 10 21:09
Sosumi	as much as they hated twilight	Mar 10 21:09
Sosumi	or silverlight	Mar 10 21:09
abeNd-org	from what i remember most of the people in this channel are just students, or have only worked in one IT environment in their lives	Mar 10 21:09
MinceR	then you "remember" it wrong	Mar 10 21:10
Sosumi	I'm guilty for student	Mar 10 21:10
abeNd-org	yea, silverlight, nightmare, ms is still pushing it for lync/sccm/etc management	Mar 10 21:10
MinceR	yeah, msft pretty much gave up on silverlight	Mar 10 21:10
MinceR	ages ago	Mar 10 21:10
abeNd-org	yea, they did, but for the current mgmt consoles of some of their major server programs it is still there	Mar 10 21:11
MinceR	so, a relic	Mar 10 21:11
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abeNd-org	relic? not if it is current	Mar 10 21:20
abeNd-org	& netflix announced they are getting rid of silverlight, but i dont think it was until 2019	Mar 10 21:21
abeNd-org	& im pretty sure netflix isnt going away in the next 6 months or so	Mar 10 21:22
Sosumi	http://www.dallasblog.com/201402181010101/dallas-blog/soros-hires-scientologist-to-conquer-ukraine.html	Mar 10 21:54
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Sosumi	facepalm	Mar 10 21:54
Sosumi	I'd be laughing as hard as possible at this one	Mar 10 22:01
Sosumi	but ppl are suffering	Mar 10 22:02
Sosumi	still, a scientologist?	Mar 10 22:02
Sosumi	rofl	Mar 10 22:02
MinceR	ecumenical conspiracy theory?	Mar 10 22:03
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 10 22:04
Sosumi	tarpley was the one who got the link	Mar 10 22:04
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DaemonFC	LOL	Mar 11 03:10
msb_	I never programmed that IBM 1401, but I did spend a couple years on this LINC computer: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/linc/	Mar 11 04:33
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msb_	Click on the photos to expand them. It had silver toggle switches to load address and data. You could simply run your finger down them to set them all to 0 or 1. It had lighted pushbuttons!	Mar 11 04:35
msb_	The display was a 5" oscilloscope. I programmed a binocular stero display on it with one of the analog knobs adjusting separation of the two pictures to match the viewer's interocular distance.	Mar 11 04:36
cubezzz	that was by DEC was it not?	Mar 11 04:36
msb_	The keyboard crapped out and I helped make a new one out of a teletype and diode logic, to use until the replacement came.	Mar 11 04:37
msb_	Yes, DEC.	Mar 11 04:37
msb_	It was designed to be programmable by scientists for use in laboratory automation and data processing/visualization.	Mar 11 04:38
msb_	I wrote a program that used an area of memory to hold instructions created by a random number generator. They could modify themselves, but the HALT instruction was not executed. The display instruction had the X value in an index register and the Y value in the accumulator. The random-execution program made displays that looked like EEG patterns!	Mar 11 04:42
msb_	The Ghost in the Machine!	Mar 11 04:42
cubezzz	so it's a rasterized display?	Mar 11 04:42
cubezzz	if so, it's one of the earliest ones	Mar 11 04:42
msb_	Nope -- one dot at a time.	Mar 11 04:42
msb_	But the screen was fairly long persistence, and if there were 1000 dots or less it didn't flicker much.	Mar 11 04:43
msb_	I built a light-pen for it, so you could draw pictures and store them on the little magtapes. Even make movies, sort of.	Mar 11 04:44
msb_	Originally it had 1K of 12-bit core, then they added a second K.	Mar 11 04:45
cubezzz	that's tiny	Mar 11 04:45
msb_	But it didn't have to support a GUI. Just ran one program at a time, which you wrote in assembly language.	Mar 11 04:46
cubezzz	I guess that would be assembly language only then?	Mar 11 04:46
cubezzz	ah I see	Mar 11 04:46
msb_	But it was a very easy and efficient assembly language. BASIC came later, on the PDP-8,	Mar 11 04:47
msb_	The instructions were designed for programming by general scientists and lab techs, not computer specialists.	Mar 11 04:48
cubezzz	interesting	Mar 11 04:48
cubezzz	I've dabbled with early DEC computers a bit, but not the LINC	Mar 11 04:49
msb_	It came with an editor/assembler program, more or less curses-like. You could insert lines.	Mar 11 04:49
msb_	The LINC was the most beautiful of all.	Mar 11 04:49
cubezzz	did you ever work on a PDP-4?	Mar 11 04:50
cubezzz	that's about the same era	Mar 11 04:50
msb_	It had analog input knobs, A/D and D/A convertors, and a plugin frame that could hold custom circuitry you'd build on perf boards.	Mar 11 04:50
msb_	No.	Mar 11 04:50
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/pdp-4-trackball.png	Mar 11 04:50
msb_	LINC, PDP-8, LINC-8, PDP-12, PDP-6, PDP-10.	Mar 11 04:51
cubezzz	I've worked on PDP-10	Mar 11 04:51
msb_	Wow, huge screen!	Mar 11 04:52
cubezzz	DEC 340 display :)	Mar 11 04:52
cubezzz	well before my time, but interesting	Mar 11 04:52
msb_	I've used a $30 Logitech trackball for years. would never go back to a mouse.	Mar 11 04:52
msb_	We might have had one of those displays on the PDP-12. At least it was big and round. Still dot by dot.	Mar 11 04:53
cubezzz	vector 1024x1204 if I remember correctly	Mar 11 04:54
cubezzz	1024x1024	Mar 11 04:54
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msb_	I think ours was dots, not vectors, but I'm not sure now.	Mar 11 04:55
msb_	In any case you had to be very careful in programming it not to burn a hole in the phosphor by repeatedly displaying a dot in one place.	Mar 11 04:56
msb_	Always kept a finger on the STOP switch until you knew there were no bugs that would do that.	Mar 11 04:56
msb_	During the Vietnam War, some big bosses came through and I displayed a peace symbol on the LINC screen that I had secretly prepared.	Mar 11 04:59
msb_	No flicker, medium-persistence green phosphor, about the same color used in The Matrix.	Mar 11 05:00
cubezzz	reminds me a bit of Commodore PET	Mar 11 05:01
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/superpet-apl2.png	Mar 11 05:01
cubezzz	the PET had 8x8 characters though, so a bit more resolution than 4x6 :)	Mar 11 05:03
cubezzz	wikipedia says white or yellow phosphor, but those pics showed green	Mar 11 05:05
msb_	The 5 inch LINC display was definitely green. I don't remember the color of the large round PDP-12 display.	Mar 11 05:07
msb_	The PDP-12 had both LINC and PDP-8 instruction sets, and could switch between them.	Mar 11 05:07
msb_	It had a 5MB removable hard drive, that would scratch the head on the edge of the platter every time the cartridge was loaded. But DEC denied it.	Mar 11 05:09
cubezzz	RK05?	Mar 11 05:10
msb_	Could be. It was a single platter cartridge.	Mar 11 05:10
msb_	A Data General Eclipse computer I worked on had a 200MB HDD the size of a small coffin. I fixed it using only a triggered-delay oscilloscope.	Mar 11 05:12
cubezzz	what language(s) did you use on the PDP-10?	Mar 11 05:13
msb_	Computing got to be real fun again when I got an IBM-PC with a color display.	Mar 11 05:14
msb_	Assembly and Fortran. I was working on a machine to scan oscilloscope photographs into the computer. Scanned them with a CRT and lens, and picked up the reflection with a photomultiplier tube.	Mar 11 05:15
msb_	The photos were of nanosecond phenomena, and the original signals were to fast to digitize.	Mar 11 05:16
msb_	The thing actually worked, powered by a PDP-8 networked to the PDP-6 or 10, and was callable from Fortran.	Mar 11 05:17
msb_	to fast --> too fast	Mar 11 05:18
msb_	Light absorption in chlorophyll (spinach leaves) hit with a Q-switched ruby laser pulse.	Mar 11 05:19
msb_	The measure light was a xenon flash lamp powered by a multiple pi-section delay line, where the inductors were tunable with ferrite cores, enabling the light pulse to be flattened.	Mar 11 05:20
msb_	I was very proud of that measure light!	Mar 11 05:20
cubezzz	you had an interesting job :)	Mar 11 05:21
msb_	A succession of them.	Mar 11 05:21
msb_	Research labs were much better to work in than the software companies I was in after them. The scientists were rational. The software managers were not.	Mar 11 05:22
cubezzz	some work I did on tops-20:	Mar 11 05:23
cubezzz	http://apl.maxhost.org/apl-tops-20.txt	Mar 11 05:23
msb_	Was/is that a successor to the PDP-10?	Mar 11 05:24
msb_	Or an OS?	Mar 11 05:24
cubezzz	well tops-20 was the OS for DECSystem-20	Mar 11 05:25
cubezzz	not sure if that was the successor to PDP-10 though	Mar 11 05:25
msb_	I think I had migrated to DG Nova/Eclipse, and then to 6502 satellites of them, and then IBM-PCs.	Mar 11 05:26
cubezzz	I guess it's still a PDP-10 though	Mar 11 05:26
msb_	I had an idea for each lab setup to have a little 6502 machine with 4K or so of RAM, that could take data at high speed, store it, and feed it to the Eclipse central computer over a serial line.	Mar 11 05:28
msb_	It would have worked if they hadn't stopped me! No, actually we built one 6502 satellite (based on a cheap kit), and it did work.	Mar 11 05:29
cubezzz	I think some of the DECSystem-20's had 1024 kilowords of ram	Mar 11 05:31
msb_	I got circuit ideas for it from, I think Don Lancaster's monthly column in Popular Electronics.	Mar 11 05:31
msb_	A mighty megabyte!	Mar 11 05:31
msb_	Except I guess they were 36-bit words.	Mar 11 05:32
cubezzz	yes, pretty hefty :)	Mar 11 05:32
cubezzz	plus it had ethernet which is nice	Mar 11 05:34
msb_	Better than RS-232!	Mar 11 05:34
cubezzz	three-phase power, not something for the house	Mar 11 05:35
cubezzz	way too big	Mar 11 05:35
msb_	Cables under the floor.	Mar 11 05:35
cubezzz	I think there's a lot of source code kicking around though, and there's a pretty good emulator for it	Mar 11 05:36
msb_	Eventually a Pentium PC beat it all to hell. Such is the power of photolithography.	Mar 11 05:36
cubezzz	you be surprised now much old stuff is open source now	Mar 11 05:36
cubezzz	x86 doesn't rule everything	Mar 11 05:37
cubezzz	IBM still makes mainframes :)	Mar 11 05:37
msb_	Yeah, but what do they have inside 'em?	Mar 11 05:37
msb_	Might be lots of multi-core x86s.	Mar 11 05:38
msb_	Often running Linux.	Mar 11 05:38
cubezzz	it's z10 these days	Mar 11 05:38
msb_	Proprietary IBM CPU?	Mar 11 05:39
cubezzz	linux yes, but not x86	Mar 11 05:39
cubezzz	yeah it's an IBM microprocessor, came in around 2008	Mar 11 05:40
msb_	Didn't IBM contribute a billion dollars to improving Linux some years back?	Mar 11 05:41
cubezzz	some of the supercomputers are intel xeon though	Mar 11 05:42
cubezzz	ah, I think they did	Mar 11 05:42
cubezzz	there's still some anti-microsoft sentiment there :)	Mar 11 05:42
msb_	Good!	Mar 11 05:42
cubezzz	at least old IBM is actually open source	Mar 11 05:43
msb_	"Data control and IBM -- science is mankind's brother!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHC9NANKluU	Mar 11 05:44
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cubezzz	old stuff like DMS and OS/360-MVT, you can get the source for it	Mar 11 05:44
cubezzz	also VM/370	Mar 11 05:45
cubezzz	I'm an operating system aficionado :)	Mar 11 05:46
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cubezzz	check this rendering out:	Mar 11 05:47
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-370-model-145.png	Mar 11 05:47
msb_	Wow, so that's computer generated, not a photo?	Mar 11 05:49
cubezzz	yeah	Mar 11 05:49
msb_	Very good!	Mar 11 05:49
msb_	Did DEC have some kind of windowing GUI that ran on Unix before X?	Mar 11 05:50
cubezzz	there was the W Window System	Mar 11 05:50
msb_	Doesn't ring any bells. I think it was on DEC...	Mar 11 05:51
cubezzz	not sure if that ran on DEC though	Mar 11 05:51
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cubezzz	but it's the ancestor of X	Mar 11 05:51
msb_	No, I think it was SunOS.	Mar 11 05:51
msb_	Easier to deal with than X. Even I could understand it.	Mar 11 05:52
msb_	X I just have to take on faith.	Mar 11 05:53
msb_	Yes, I worked on Suns for a couple years. Pizza boxes and such.	Mar 11 05:54
cubezzz	SunOS ran X	Mar 11 05:54
cubezzz	xdm and all that stuff	Mar 11 05:55
msb_	But didn't it have its own GUI before X?	Mar 11 05:55
cubezzz	maybe really early on there was, not positive about that	Mar 11 05:57
msb_	"GUI environments bundled with earlier versions of SunOS included SunTools (later SunView)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunOS#User_interface	Mar 11 05:57
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cubezzz	even SunView ran on top of X	Mar 11 05:57
cubezzz	so before that, maybe	Mar 11 05:57
msb_	I think it was SunView.	Mar 11 05:57
cubezzz	remember, everyone got behind X around 1986 or so	Mar 11 05:58
cubezzz	so before 1986 it's quite possible that they used something else	Mar 11 05:58
msb_	I wrote my own simple window system for PC-DOS in C. Put up overlapping windows with text in them.	Mar 11 05:58
msb_	Never got around to graphics in the windows, though.	Mar 11 05:59
cubezzz	here's some history of X:	Mar 11 05:59
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/history-of-x.txt	Mar 11 05:59
cubezzz	Xerox had something before X	Mar 11 06:02
msb_	Thanks! Time marches on.	Mar 11 06:02
msb_	Everything must be improved, whether it needs to be or not.	Mar 11 06:02
cubezzz	yeah, I think X is important	Mar 11 06:02
cubezzz	device independent graphics	Mar 11 06:03
msb_	Has that program come back that allows you to adjust X to your monitor, instead of relying on X's wrong automatic guesses? I forget what it was called.	Mar 11 06:04
msb_	Also helped set up unusual input equipment like my trackball.	Mar 11 06:05
cubezzz	well redhat had there redhat-config-xfree86 program	Mar 11 06:06
msb_	Last time I upgraded Linux I had to get lots of hints and guesses from Suse IRC folks to make a center button by pushing left and right together.	Mar 11 06:06
msb_	Suse's had a different name. 8^)	Mar 11 06:07
cubezzz	in the somewhat olden days there was a package called XFree86-tools	Mar 11 06:07
cubezzz	so whatever was in that	Mar 11 06:07
msb_	I always keep all the config files and libs from the previous Linux in case I have to graft them onto the new one.	Mar 11 06:08
msb_	Bilkenstein's monster.	Mar 11 06:09
cubezzz	it's better to understand the text files though	Mar 11 06:09
cubezzz	rather than rely on some gui thingamajig	Mar 11 06:10
msb_	Well, yeah, I had to hack the X config files.	Mar 11 06:10
cubezzz	ok, now I remember what I used to do...	Mar 11 06:11
cubezzz	Xfree86 -configure	Mar 11 06:11
cubezzz	that barfs out a XF86Config text file :)	Mar 11 06:11
msb_	If the gui thingamajig works and writes the config files for me, that's fine. I long ago realized that I can't understand everything in computers. Even most things.	Mar 11 06:12
cubezzz	well the source is there, but it's hard to absorb all of it :)	Mar 11 06:12
cubezzz	learning everything about X is wading into deep water	Mar 11 06:13
cubezzz	a lot of the young uns don't understand X too well	Mar 11 06:13
msb_	it was SaX2! or maybe SaX or SaX3	Mar 11 06:14
msb_	a lot of the old uns don't either!	Mar 11 06:14
cubezzz	no one is saying learn the X protocol 100%, but some macro-level understanding is good	Mar 11 06:14
msb_	No doubt.	Mar 11 06:15
msb_	Hey, it gives us a hobby!	Mar 11 06:16
cubezzz	Scheifler "borrowed" a lot of W code for X	Mar 11 06:18
cubezzz	so MIT, DEC, IBM got together and helped build up X	Mar 11 06:19
msb_	Betwen google, the previous version, and IRC, any problem can be solved. Eventually.	Mar 11 06:19
msb_	Hey, ever since I blew the dust out of my cpu heatsink and such, and have kept moderate rein on Firefox, I haven't had another crash. I love watching the cpu temperature graphs in the sys mon program!	Mar 11 06:20
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msb_	Yes, cooperation can create great things!	Mar 11 06:21
cubezzz	the W window system ran under the V operating system	Mar 11 06:22
cubezzz	that came out of Stanford	Mar 11 06:22
msb_	I remember a tour through Stanford AI Lab, where they were all LISP fiends.	Mar 11 06:23
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msb_	Then I worked at a Stanford physics lab, that's where I used the Suns.	Mar 11 06:24
cubezzz	yeah there was Stanford Lisp	Mar 11 06:25
cubezzz	then MACLISP	Mar 11 06:26
msb_	Even some kind of Sun 386s, that ran Unix. They were kinda crashy.	Mar 11 06:26
cubezzz	and 4.3BSD had a lisp interpreter	Mar 11 06:26
cubezzz	I was never a fan though	Mar 11 06:26
msb_	When I first found out about lisp I thought it was god's primordial language. But I never got into it, except the simplified version for programming the BRIEF editor.	Mar 11 06:27
cubezzz	and early Sun's did run W, I	Mar 11 06:27
cubezzz	I'm just reading up on that	Mar 11 06:27
msb_	It was probably smarter than our previous president "W".	Mar 11 06:28
cubezzz	don't malign the letter :)	Mar 11 06:28
msb_	It has to host Sesame Street.	Mar 11 06:29
cubezzz	ah I found a pic of W:	Mar 11 06:31
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/w-window-system.gif	Mar 11 06:32
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cubezzz	wetscape looks like a web browser	Mar 11 06:33
msb_	Yes! Give W multiple named desktops and a taskbar, and I'd be happy with it.	Mar 11 06:34
msb_	And some apps, and a menu, and firefox, and... well, KDE3!	Mar 11 06:36
msb_	Also mc -- I'd be lost without it.	Mar 11 06:36
msb_	Have more than 50 copies running. Don't know why half of them don't show up in ps.	Mar 11 06:39
cubezzz	why so many?	Mar 11 06:39
msb_	20 desktops, 4-5 konsoles with mc in each.	Mar 11 06:40
msb_	All together they don't use more than a couple percent of my old cpu, so I leave them up, set to the directories of interest in each desktop.	Mar 11 06:41
msb_	I have an OS that could run 50 users out of this little PC. Might as well load it up with mind helpers for little old me.	Mar 11 06:42
msb_	I remember when a PDP-11 timeshared for a whole university, or at least a college. And my old dual core AMD is faster.	Mar 11 06:45
msb_	The human race will do great things, if we don't kill ourselves off.	Mar 11 06:45
msb_	I just read where some particle accelerator is going to be improved for even higher energies, where it might make a strangelet that would convert the entire planet and everything on it into a ball of seething crap.	Mar 11 06:47
msb_	Sane people would do that on a moon somewhere very far away.	Mar 11 06:48
msb_	Or maybe they would never do it.	Mar 11 06:50
msb_	I was thinking "another galaxy", but then it might ruin an entire galaxy.	Mar 11 06:50
msb_	Well, maybe natural processes create energies far above what we can ever reach. I sure hope so.	Mar 11 06:51
cubezzz	yeah I don't think we can destroy galaxies :)	Mar 11 06:52
cubezzz	we can't even put a guy on Mars yet :)	Mar 11 06:52
msb_	And if we can, we shouldn't.	Mar 11 06:52
msb_	I think we almost put Carrie-Anne Moss on Mars, but she stayed in orbit.	Mar 11 06:53
cubezzz	I never got mc working over ssh quite right	Mar 11 06:55
msb_	Ooh yeah! Red Planet 2000	Mar 11 06:56
cubezzz	esc 0 works though	Mar 11 06:57
cubezzz	then esc esc to get out of a menu	Mar 11 06:57
msb_	mc has a mailing list, maybe an irc channel. You could ask.	Mar 11 06:58
msb_	They're also constantly improving it. Or at least updating it.	Mar 11 06:59
msb_	I'm a cynic sometimes.	Mar 11 07:00
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/PaYDg	Mar 11 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| Some of Neil deGrasse Tyson's best tweets - Imgur		Mar 11 07:00
msb_	I have never tweeted.	Mar 11 07:02
msb_	Never felt the urge.	Mar 11 07:02
MinceR	neither have i	Mar 11 07:03
MinceR	i prefer StatusNet anyway :>	Mar 11 07:03
MinceR	(but i haven't used that either)	Mar 11 07:03
msb_	I'm more the puddy tat type.	Mar 11 07:03
MinceR	lol	Mar 11 07:03
cubezzz	one of the problems is konsole uses f2 to make another instance of konsole	Mar 11 07:04
cubezzz	so that mucks things up for mc	Mar 11 07:05
cubezzz	but I think I've got it working OK now	Mar 11 07:05
cubezzz	mc -a	Mar 11 07:05
msb_	My version of console doesn't respond to F keys at all	Mar 11 07:06
msb_	Which is probably a good thing, in case I hit one by mistake.	Mar 11 07:06
msb_	console --> konsole	Mar 11 07:06
MinceR	iirc the hotkeys of konsole are configurable	Mar 11 07:07
cubezzz	yeah I probably changed something at some point	Mar 11 07:07
cubezzz	my setup is rather elaborate	Mar 11 07:07
msb_	In an episode of some anime' the bad guy has captured the good guy and is going to illustrate his fate with a computer program. But he has to say, "Wait a minute -- I have a lot of add-ons"	Mar 11 07:10
cubezzz	msb_, you probably don't want to watch this:	Mar 11 07:10
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Apocalypse	Mar 11 07:10
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cubezzz	a bit of a ex deus machina at the end :)	Mar 11 07:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Bugs, Bugs Everywhere	Mar 11 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZzTmbePaZQ	Mar 11 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtcli	Mar 11 07:14
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msb__	goddamit, crashed again	Mar 11 07:21
msb__	not heat, wasn't doing too much with firefox	Mar 11 07:22
msb__	unless it's bad memory, I'm gonna have to spend $800+ for an 8x times faster computer that I don't need.	Mar 11 07:22
msb__	Now I have to set up all those konsoles and mcs (as I use them)	Mar 11 07:23
msb__	It was that Quantum Apocalypse movie! Looking it up stranged out my computer!	Mar 11 07:26
cubezzz	lol	Mar 11 07:29
cubezzz	why don't you buy an old box with a p3 coppermine cpu	Mar 11 07:30
cubezzz	I've had uptimes over a year with those	Mar 11 07:30
cubezzz	heat is the enemy, less heat means greater reliability	Mar 11 07:32
msb__	http://hf.dilbert.com/2014-03-10/	Mar 11 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hf.dilbert.com \| The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more!		Mar 11 07:36
msb__	My computer has been cool ever since I blew the dust out a couple days ago. The temp sensors say so.	Mar 11 07:37
msb__	I used to have uptimes over a year too, except for power outages.	Mar 11 07:38
msb__	When my cpu or mobo goes out, which is about every 5-8 years, I get a new 'puter that's about 8 times faster, and is, not state of the art, but at the sweet spot / cheap spot.	Mar 11 07:41
msb__	About $150 each for cpu, mobo, ram, case, psu.	Mar 11 07:42
msb__	That movie has an imdb rating of 3.0, and the review is titled "Unbelievably awful #@!$&".	Mar 11 07:46
msb__	"A group of talented but rebellious 'rock-star scientists'"	Mar 11 07:48
msb__	WTF is a rock-star scientist?	Mar 11 07:48
msb__	I may even watch it instead of watching Carrie-Anne Moss deal with some severe emergencies in Mars orbit, and even take a shower.	Mar 11 07:50
msb__	I'm gonna get you for this cubezzz!	Mar 11 07:50
MinceR	it's an astrophysicist specialized on rocks and stars, i guess	Mar 11 07:51
msb__	And according to the wiki article, they kill the thing by shooting a nuclear missile at it. Couldn't they just once piss on it or something, which would start a catalytic reaction and destroy it?	Mar 11 07:53
msb__	Hmm, the Earth is saved by the autistic brother Terry. Maybe he does piss on the thing.	Mar 11 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Social Music Apps for Android	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gcrpNxyQmk	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtcvf	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google will soon launch Android developer SDK	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	for wearable tech http://t.co/Vpt22sfn80	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtcvg	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu, Ubuntu, and Red Hat	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ztYEtK2s7t	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtcvh	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chinese phone maker Meizu arrives in France	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FlYgLmRR59	Mar 11 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtcvj	Mar 11 07:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best Social Music Apps for Android \| Tux Machines		Mar 11 07:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google will soon launch Android developer SDK for wearable tech \| Tux Machines		Mar 11 07:57
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msb__	"Social music" The mind boggles.	Mar 11 08:00
MinceR	http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/picdump-1056-2-1.jpg	Mar 11 08:10
cubezzz	msb_, my server is from 1998 :)	Mar 11 08:20
msb__	cubezzz: Very good! Supposedly there was some Linux server in an out-of-the-way place that got plastered over and lost for many years until someone tracked the cables to it. And it was still running.	Mar 11 08:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ojuba http://t.co/MERKzjS2FD	Mar 11 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtdhp	Mar 11 09:23
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MinceR	http://img.izismile.com/img/img7/20140310/1000/daily_gifdump_571_14.gif	Mar 11 10:27
Sosumi	EA, a company much worst than valve	Mar 11 10:47
Sosumi	*worse	Mar 11 10:48
Sosumi	specially at gouging its customers	Mar 11 10:48
Sosumi	is launching titanfall for 79€	Mar 11 10:48
Sosumi	lol	Mar 11 10:48
Sosumi	I just don't get the price hikes on games	Mar 11 10:49
Sosumi	compared to past gen and the generation before	Mar 11 10:50
Sosumi	and even less when the distribution method is digital	Mar 11 10:50
Sosumi	and no one gets to own the game at all	Mar 11 10:50
Sosumi	it's just an indefinite lease	Mar 11 10:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft to cut on software development, focus	Mar 11 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	on ads http://t.co/XpwtSKdA5a	Mar 11 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gte30	Mar 11 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My New Linux Ultrabook: The ASUS Zenbook	Mar 11 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	UX301LA-DH71T http://t.co/SnfwfmlS9T	Mar 11 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gte31	Mar 11 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Microsoft to cut on software development, focus on ads \| Tux Machines		Mar 11 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| My New Linux Ultrabook: The ASUS Zenbook UX301LA-DH71T \| Tux Machines		Mar 11 10:56
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Sosumi	also, on the anniversary of the gozilla quake in japan	Mar 11 11:14
Sosumi	japs want to boast ties with poortugal	Mar 11 11:14
Sosumi	aka ship their radioactive produce here	Mar 11 11:15
Sosumi	*boost	Mar 11 11:15
Sosumi	damm fingers hitting the wrong keys	Mar 11 11:15
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Sosumi	as for m$, I had said it	Mar 11 11:42
Sosumi	Satya Nutella was part of the Balmer echo chamber	Mar 11 11:42
Sosumi	so it was expected for them to continue following their strategy into the abyss	Mar 11 11:42
Sosumi	instead of focusing on software	Mar 11 11:43
Sosumi	and leaving things like search and adds as a hobby project	Mar 11 11:44
MinceR	geekings	Mar 11 12:03
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MinceR	http://therearenosunglasses.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/cartoon-44.jpg	Mar 11 12:53
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Sosumi	and now is the CIA on the news	Mar 11 13:47
Sosumi	well but not with as much coverage as the NSA has been getting	Mar 11 13:47
Sosumi	thanks to the CIA agent Snowden	Mar 11 13:48
Sosumi	it is quite obvious that the NSA and CIA weren't conceived to spy on each other	Mar 11 13:48
Sosumi	but the CIA would have a lot to gain if the NSA got heavily crippled or dissolved	Mar 11 13:49
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genome26	I really hate reading planet gnome these days	Mar 11 13:50
Sosumi	also the malasya airlines plane	Mar 11 13:50
genome26	it's always so full of pro-Mono crap	Mar 11 13:50
Sosumi	can be found in a dirac sea near you	Mar 11 13:50
Sosumi	:)	Mar 11 13:50
Sosumi	then don't use gnome	Mar 11 13:50
genome26	have you seen this? http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2014/03/gmime-gets-speed-boost.html	Mar 11 13:51
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genome26	at first, you're reading along and think "hey, this is cool"	Mar 11 13:51
genome26	and then the author goes and has to pimp out Mono saying it's faster than native code	Mar 11 13:52
Sosumi	no-mono and seriously no clang	Mar 11 13:52
genome26	why do the gnomne people tolerate this insolence?	Mar 11 13:52
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 11 13:53
MinceR	the gnome people have apparently accepted mono already	Mar 11 13:53
MinceR	afaik tomboy is (or at least was) an official part of gnome	Mar 11 13:53
MinceR	that's a big wtf in itself	Mar 11 13:53
Sosumi	.net makes no sense on linux	Mar 11 13:54
genome26	yea	Mar 11 13:54
Sosumi	as it doesn't make any sense to use llvm/clang on gnu/linux either	Mar 11 13:55
Sosumi	clang is in fact the apple fork of llvm	Mar 11 13:55
MinceR	i thought it was a compiler for llvm	Mar 11 13:56
MinceR	that turned c[++?] code into whatever bytecode llvm runs	Mar 11 13:56
Sosumi	yes, that	Mar 11 13:57
Sosumi	sry the last time I used xcode it still run gcc	Mar 11 13:57
Sosumi	*ran	Mar 11 13:57
genome26	I didn't even know what clang or llvm was	Mar 11 13:58
genome26	I heard of them before but forgot	Mar 11 13:59
Sosumi	mono, llvm, clang = things to shove into the garbage bin	Mar 11 13:59
genome26	yea, and add gmime to that list too	Mar 11 14:01
Sosumi	also for the folks looking into the sharp 4k display	Mar 11 14:01
Sosumi	stay away from it like	Mar 11 14:01
genome26	now that I know a pro-mono moron is behind it	Mar 11 14:02
genome26	I think my news reader uses it unfortunately	Mar 11 14:02
genome26	which is the only gnome program I use anymore	Mar 11 14:02
Sosumi	it easily burns and under display port multistream you lose display synch, forcing the display to restart itself	Mar 11 14:03
Sosumi	same can be expected for the asus rebrand	Mar 11 14:04
Sosumi	as it uses the same igzo panel	Mar 11 14:04
MinceR	Sosumi: so, is llvm bad also?	Mar 11 14:04
Sosumi	llvm is mainly bad for not being gpl	Mar 11 14:04
Sosumi	so instead of diverging focus to it	Mar 11 14:04
Sosumi	the focus should be directed into making gcc the best	Mar 11 14:05
MinceR	ic	Mar 11 14:05
genome26	the llvm website smears gdb saying its slow compared to theirs	Mar 11 14:10
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Sosumi	propaganda, propaganda, propaganda	Mar 11 15:31
Sosumi	also, crytek finished porting cryengine to linux	Mar 11 15:31
Sosumi	but no idea if that includes the entire sdk	Mar 11 15:31
Sosumi	fromwhat I've seen before	Mar 11 15:32
Sosumi	cryengine sdk could be ordered to output the rendered sandbox on a target platform	Mar 11 15:33
Sosumi	say, the ps3 or osx	Mar 11 15:33
Sosumi	but the sdk itself was windows only	Mar 11 15:33
Sosumi	just like the unreal sdk	Mar 11 15:34
Sosumi	so, support may be just for distribution, instead of the full fledged sdk	Mar 11 15:35
Sosumi	which is unfortunate	Mar 11 15:35
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	Well, a damaged ego can cause people to keep insisting that they're right even after it's been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they were wrong.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	At this point, they have their honor invested in the Big Lie, and don't want to back out of it because it would force them to admit that they were deceived.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	People who are the victims of medical quackery like megadoses of herbs and vitamins who do not improve will tell other people that they did in order to save face.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	My grandparents got involved in some pyramid schemes back in the 90s, and lost over $10,000. They were telling people that they were in on some hot investment opportunities, even while they were losing their shirts.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	I remember two schemes by name that my grandparents got in on in the 90s.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	One was called Destiny Telecommunications. You got in by paying some money to be a "sales consultant" and sell phone cards to people. It turned out that the phone cards only had 20-30 minutes on them, even the ones that said they were good for several hours. The people running the scam did go to prison, as I recall, but the nature of those scams is that by the time the FBI busts them, there's almost never any money left, and the victims get back	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	pennies on the dollar.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	The other one they got taken by was called "King's Vitamins", which was going around recruiting people at churches to sell their vitamins.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	My grandparents got in so deep with King's Vitamins that they fell behind on their payments on their Cadillac car and had a repo company come take it back. To save face, they insisted to everyone who asked where the Cadillac went that "the engine burned up".	Mar 11 15:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CryEngine to fully support Linux	Mar 11 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YeUyvrQwda	Mar 11 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtg9k	Mar 11 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CryEngine to fully support Linux \| Tux Machines		Mar 11 16:29
Sosumi	no confirmation if it is just as the final product or also the sdk	Mar 11 16:42
Sosumi	DaemonFC, never heard about social darwinism?	Mar 11 16:44
Sosumi	it is that	Mar 11 16:44
Sosumi	you just described	Mar 11 16:44
DaemonFC	Greed.	Mar 11 16:48
DaemonFC	That movie "The Flim Flam Man" was a good one.	Mar 11 16:48
DaemonFC	The con man said "You can't cheat an honest man."	Mar 11 16:49
DaemonFC	People that fall for con games are looking to get ahead even though they really know that something's not right.	Mar 11 16:49
DaemonFC	Anyone who promises to triple your money is sending up a huge red flag.	Mar 11 16:50
Sosumi	again, social darwinism	Mar 11 16:52
Sosumi	preying upon the week	Mar 11 16:52
Sosumi	*weak	Mar 11 16:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat fast-tracks Docker apps for Enterprise	Mar 11 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/IxEvXoAax1	Mar 11 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtgp3	Mar 11 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Ubuntu Animosity Misplaced?	Mar 11 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pxXb7tiY3l	Mar 11 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtgp4	Mar 11 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CeBIT: Ubuntu smartphones to cost between $200	Mar 11 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	and $400 http://t.co/hSGWGvUwBO	Mar 11 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtgp6	Mar 11 17:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CeBIT: Ubuntu smartphones to cost between $200 and $400 \| Tux Machines		Mar 11 17:10
DaemonFC	ohhh	Mar 11 17:50
DaemonFC	Mesa 10.0 just got backported to Fedora 20.	Mar 11 17:50
DaemonFC	10.0.3	Mar 11 17:50
DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.html	Mar 11 17:51
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DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.1.html	Mar 11 17:51
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DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.2.html	Mar 11 17:51
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DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.3.html	Mar 11 17:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links in Techrights http://t.co/EyUhDUNwS3	Mar 11 18:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gthj2	Mar 11 18:53
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cubezzz	yes, flash is still a problem	Mar 11 19:10
cubezzz	it's used to hide stuff	Mar 11 19:11
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sebsebseb	hi	Mar 11 19:19
cubezzz	adobe changed flash 10.1 so a lot of the ways to capture video wouldn't work	Mar 11 19:23
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cubezzz	thus flash >= 11 is a pain to deal with	Mar 11 19:24
DaemonFC	I posted this on Amazon in regard to Apple and Microsoft's patent trolling of Android:	Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFC	I just don't want to see Android and Firefox OS chased off the market by devices from Microsoft and Apple that really aren't all that good at all.	Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFC	Even the minimal improvements that Microsoft and Apple make between generations of phones would slow or stop if there was no Android challenging them, and moving the technology forward.	Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFC	It would be like that time where Internet Explorer 6 had 97% of the browser market, and Microsoft openly declared that it would be the last major version of Internet Explorer ever. They were just going to stop and leave people with Internet Explorer 6 forever with basically no improvements.	Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFC	They even backed up that announcement by firing 90% of the IE team. Then they sneered at Firefox and let it get about 10 years ahead of Internet Explorer before they did anything about it at all.	Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFC	This is what companies like Microsoft and Apple do when there's nobody moving the game forward.	Mar 11 19:57
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msb__	Regarding: "<DaemonFC> People who are the victims of medical quackery like megadoses of herbs and vitamins who do not improve will tell other people that they did in order to save face."	Mar 11 20:22
msb__	It's important to know that what is called "megadose" of Vitamin C really is not.	Mar 11 20:23
msb__	The govt RDA of vit C is about 200mg, which is enough to prevent scurvy and some other severe deficiency diseases, but it is nowhere near the amount that we need.	Mar 11 20:24
msb__	When we were living in trees we lost the last enzyme in the chain that makes ascorbic acid, because we were getting several grams/day from fruit.	Mar 11 20:25
cubezzz	msb_, I got something for you	Mar 11 20:26
cubezzz	computerworld from 1972	Mar 11 20:26
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/cw-1972-may-03.tar.gz	Mar 11 20:26
msb__	Animals other than great apes (and maybe guinea pigs) make about 5 grams/day when healthy, and up to 70grams/day when they have a viral infection.	Mar 11 20:26
cubezzz	how much vitamin C should we per day?	Mar 11 20:28
cubezzz	should we take	Mar 11 20:29
msb__	3 metric tons	Mar 11 20:29
msb__	No, actually about 5 grams/day.	Mar 11 20:29
msb__	Or if you're feeling low, 5 grams twice a day.	Mar 11 20:31
cubezzz	yeah it's hard to know if your getting enough nutrition from the food you eat	Mar 11 20:32
msb__	Generally you're not, and it's worth a buck a day or so to take supplements.	Mar 11 20:34
msb__	fish oil, various antioxidants, Bs, C, ubiquinol, sublingual B12, minerals, A (carotene), D3,...	Mar 11 20:35
msb__	Especially as one gets older and doesn't make or absorb nutrients that we used to.	Mar 11 20:36
msb__	Like B12. Very important, but useless orally, except under the tongue.	Mar 11 20:37
msb__	That's why middle-aged an older people get B12 shots. But sublingual is just as good.	Mar 11 20:39
Sosumi	well, I think I jst overdosed myself with vit c	Mar 11 20:45
msb__	cubezzz: What should I be looking for in those computerworld pages?	Mar 11 20:45
msb__	Sosumi: How much did you take?	Mar 11 20:46
cubezzz	actually that issue isn't terribly interesting	Mar 11 20:46
cubezzz	try this one:	Mar 11 20:46
msb__	Less than 1 metric ton is safe.	Mar 11 20:46
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/cw-1979-dec-24.tar.gz	Mar 11 20:46
Sosumi	4 oranges and a ton of strawberries	Mar 11 20:46
Sosumi	and a couple slices of pineapple	Mar 11 20:46
Sosumi	and 5 apples	Mar 11 20:47
cubezzz	msb__, I just find looking at historical computer info is interesting	Mar 11 20:47
msb__	Sosumi: That amount of C won't hurt you certainly, probably 60 grams at once wouldn't, although it might give you a stomache ache and diarearia.	Mar 11 20:48
Sosumi	I was just joking	Mar 11 20:48
Sosumi	I eat that everyday	Mar 11 20:49
msb__	Speaking of which, I'd stay near a toilet for a couple of days, or wear diapers.	Mar 11 20:49
Sosumi	with no issues at all	Mar 11 20:49
Sosumi	in order to replenish my vitamin stock from the abuses of the day	Mar 11 20:49
Sosumi	specially the ones that come associated with weight lifting	Mar 11 20:49
msb__	Trouble is, you'd have to eat a very wide variety of foods to get the trace nutrients you need. Much easier with pills.	Mar 11 20:50
Sosumi	I've tried that	Mar 11 20:51
msb__	Sosumi: I guess if you lift weights your anal sphincter is very strong?	Mar 11 20:51
Sosumi	but ended up having stomach disconfort	Mar 11 20:52
msb__	From what?	Mar 11 20:52
Sosumi	vit supplements	Mar 11 20:52
Sosumi	even the weaker ones	Mar 11 20:52
cubezzz	I hate taking pills with lots of iron in them	Mar 11 20:53
cubezzz	they taste really gross	Mar 11 20:53
msb__	Eat them with a little food.	Mar 11 20:53
Sosumi	ho but I did	Mar 11 20:53
msb__	iron is bad for you unless you're low in hemoglobin	Mar 11 20:53
msb__	Sosumi: never heard that from anyone else, except a few with stomach upset from Vit. C. Which you can eliminate by neutralizing its acidity with CaCO3 or MgCO3.	Mar 11 20:55
Sosumi	well, I'm an anomaly :)	Mar 11 20:55
Sosumi	but I try to compensate it through food	Mar 11 20:56
Sosumi	and it has been ok	Mar 11 20:56
msb__	Like the weird surgeon said, "Suture self."	Mar 11 20:57
Sosumi	german accent Suit Yourself	Mar 11 20:58
Sosumi	much cooler	Mar 11 20:58
msb__	cubezzz: Old mainframes don't do much for me, but old minis, micros, kits, etc, do, 'cause that's what I worked with.	Mar 11 21:00
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msb__	about 10 years ago, a friend told me he had congestive heart failure and was gonna die in a few months.	Mar 11 21:04
msb__	I got him on Co-Q10 and carnitine, and all his symptoms disappeared. He's alive and healthy to this day.	Mar 11 21:04
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msb__	See the Vit C, rheumatic, and cancer pages linked in the pink section of my site cosmicpenguin.com.	Mar 11 21:12
msb__	Alternative medicine can be very helpful.	Mar 11 21:13
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msb__	Also unknown viruses that get in the tissues used for virus production. Like monkey cancer viruses in the polio vaccines that cause a 3x increase in soft-tissue cancers.	Mar 11 21:38
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Sosumi	I thought that they used eggs to incubate the viruses	Mar 11 21:39
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msb__	Some, not all. And most still contain mercury.	Mar 11 21:41
msb__	Very bad for the brain, if you care.	Mar 11 21:41
Sosumi	yes I know	Mar 11 21:41
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Sosumi	that was I mentioned at first the issue with the adjuvants	Mar 11 21:41
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msb__	sure. Also aluminum and squalene, which can cause autoimmune disease.	Mar 11 21:42
msb__	Al causes alzheimers.	Mar 11 21:42
MinceR	i wonder what the proof for that is	Mar 11 21:43
MinceR	and if it's even relevant to the dosage present in vaccines at all	Mar 11 21:43
MinceR	not to mention what compound that "mercury" and "aluminum" is present in	Mar 11 21:43
msb__	In the 90s, a bunch of kidney patients got dialized against tapwater with high Al content. They got very fast alzheimers. Also the characteristic "neurofibrillary tangles" in Alz brains have 80x as much Al in them as other tissues.	Mar 11 21:45
msb__	dialyzed	Mar 11 21:45
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msb__	Duplicated by injecting rats.	Mar 11 21:46
msb__	As to quantity and compound, I don't want any thank you very much.	Mar 11 21:47
Sosumi	the aluminum thing is true	Mar 11 21:47
Sosumi	as for the concentration of adverse adjuvants on the vaccine	Mar 11 21:47
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 11 21:47
Sosumi	but I agree on being safer than sorry	Mar 11 21:48
Sosumi	but given portugal's vaccination program	Mar 11 21:48
msb__	Here's a fun read: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970914&slug=2560362	Mar 11 21:48
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Sosumi	there is nothing to worry abount	Mar 11 21:48
Sosumi	I know about	Mar 11 21:49
msb__	nothing to worry about... nothing to worry about... nothing to worry about...	Mar 11 21:50
MinceR	"tapwater with high Al content" is very different from "vaccine containing thiomersal"	Mar 11 21:50
MinceR	224715 < msb__> As to quantity and compound, I don't want any thank you very much.	Mar 11 21:50
MinceR	see, this has nothing to do with the scientific method	Mar 11 21:50
MinceR	or modern medicine.	Mar 11 21:51
msb__	Of course, two different poisons.	Mar 11 21:51
MinceR	also, apparently thiomersal was already phased out of many vaccines	Mar 11 21:51
MinceR	even though there's no convincing evidence about the harm	Mar 11 21:51
MinceR	and pretty much everything is a poison, in the right dose	Mar 11 21:52
MinceR	so dosage _is_ important	Mar 11 21:52
MinceR	for example, oxygen can be poisonous at too high doses, but try living without it	Mar 11 21:52
MinceR	as for vaccines, the proper way to determine risk would probably be via real clinical trial, not speculation based on what element was found where.	Mar 11 21:53
MinceR	apparently in the case of O2, pressure is important as well as concentration	Mar 11 21:53
MinceR	(space suits use low pressure pure O2)	Mar 11 21:54
MinceR	water can be poisonous as well	Mar 11 21:54
MinceR	etc.	Mar 11 21:54
msb__	So can stupidity.	Mar 11 21:54
MinceR	not in the same sense	Mar 11 21:54
Sosumi	play nice folks	Mar 11 21:58
MinceR	also, thiomersal will probably not harm you. but pertussis will kill you. :>	Mar 11 21:59
MinceR	and so will TBC.	Mar 11 22:00
Sosumi	just remember what dalton said	Mar 11 22:00
Sosumi	everything is poison and nothing is poison	Mar 11 22:00
Sosumi	it's just a matter of quantity	Mar 11 22:00
MinceR	:>	Mar 11 22:01
Sosumi	gn	Mar 11 22:02
MinceR	o/	Mar 11 22:02
MinceR	squalene is (allegedly) mostly used for non-human vaccines and might even be beneficial	Mar 11 22:03
MinceR	also, squalene is a vital part of the synthesis of sterols, including cholesterol and vitamin D -- so the "Al in water => Al is evil" theory would mean no vitamin D or lipoproteins for you :>	Mar 11 22:08
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msb__	MinceR: what is TBC?	Mar 11 23:26
MinceR	oops, they call it TB in english	Mar 11 23:28
MinceR	tuberculosis	Mar 11 23:28
MinceR	gn	Mar 11 23:31
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msb__	I have done extensive trials on Vit C for viruses -- 50 years on myself for colds and flu, a couple of cats, and a 5-year old with measles (of course with doses scaled to body weight). In all cases there was relief of symptoms within 1-3 hours, and eventual return of symptoms a few hours after that, whereupon I began continuous treatment for a few days.	Mar 12 01:45
msb__	Since the cats and kid didn't know what they were getting, that was a blind experiment. I've also given it to various adults, with the same results.	Mar 12 01:47
msb__	The results all agreed with the findings of Cathcart, Pauling, Klenner (who consistently cured polio with C), and others, I regard the action of C against viral infections as proven beyond doubt.	Mar 12 01:49
msb__	Too bad MinceR has gone, I'm sure he would disagree!	Mar 12 01:50
msb__	Incidentally, testing of new drugs in the US is done by the manufacturer, not by the FDA.	Mar 12 01:52
msb__	Once upon a time, I was involved in the testing of a medical device that was already being sold. I found that it could kill the patient. Did the mfr tell the FDA? No, they fired me.	Mar 12 01:53
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DaemonFC	Winter Storm Vulcan is about to pass over me.	Mar 12 04:39
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msb__	DaemonFC: Vulcan?? Is it a Hot Hail storm? That's Ming the Merciless attacking!	Mar 12 05:16
msb__	If only we could block the rays from his Nitron Lamp!	Mar 12 05:17
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MinceR	msb__: wow, a sample of 2 people and a few cats. surely that must measure up to real clinical trials!	Mar 12 06:46
MinceR	not to mention double-blind testing	Mar 12 06:46
msb__	MinceR: dozens of people and dozens of times on me.	Mar 12 06:58
DaemonFC	schestowitz: http://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/valve-has-posted-their-direct3d-to-opengl-translation-layer-onto-github.3248/	Mar 12 07:00
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msb__	The only clinical trials by FDA -related orgs used only about 2 grams of C/day and so found no effect. But the ghouls are very eager to ban it. For our own good of course.	Mar 12 07:01
msb__	Klenner cured lots of children of polio.	Mar 12 07:01
MinceR	ban it?	Mar 12 07:04
MinceR	isn't vitamin c available over the counter?	Mar 12 07:04
DaemonFC	MinceR: Yes. In several forms.	Mar 12 07:05
DaemonFC	You should take Ester-C if you want to take more than the RDA and don't want to risk developing kidney stones though.	Mar 12 07:06
MinceR	i wasn't aware of that risk	Mar 12 07:06
DaemonFC	http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/high-dose-vitamin-c-linked-to-kidney-stones-in-men-201302055854	Mar 12 07:07
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DaemonFC	MinceR: Kidney stones are incredibly painful.	Mar 12 07:12
DaemonFC	That and diarrhea are the only two proven health effects of massive vitamin C doses.	Mar 12 07:12
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 12 07:12
MinceR	:>	Mar 12 07:12
DaemonFC	MinceR: This should tell you how fat people are getting.	Mar 12 07:13
DaemonFC	The government suggests "making water more appealing".	Mar 12 07:13
DaemonFC	Your internal organs fail without it, and then you die.	Mar 12 07:14
DaemonFC	Is water appealing enough now? :)	Mar 12 07:14
MinceR	i think they mean it as opposed to beverages with sugar, which are also mostly water :>	Mar 12 07:14
DaemonFC	One can of Coke has 14 tablespoons of sugar in it.	Mar 12 07:16
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 12 07:16
DaemonFC	err	Mar 12 07:16
DaemonFC	teaspoons	Mar 12 07:16
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MinceR	:)	Mar 12 07:16
DaemonFC	it's disgustingly sweet	Mar 12 07:17
DaemonFC	I don't know how people drink it.	Mar 12 07:17
DaemonFC	I'd rather have water any day.	Mar 12 07:17
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DaemonFC	He kicked the cat in the butt.	Mar 12 07:18
DaemonFC	Big mistake!	Mar 12 07:18
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 12 07:18
schestowitz__	lol	Mar 12 07:18
schestowitz__	"there is a giant cat in my house"	Mar 12 07:18
schestowitz__	operator: "tiger?"	Mar 12 07:18
MinceR	it's not disgustingly sweet because all that sugar is balanced somewhat by carbonic acid and phosphoric acid :>	Mar 12 07:18
DaemonFC	Calling 911 over a housecat...	Mar 12 07:21
MinceR	i wasn't aware that meowing was a signal of hostility :>	Mar 12 07:21
DaemonFC	It's hard to imagine Jabba ever acting like that.	Mar 12 07:22
DaemonFC	He sleeps on my arm usually. He's a good cat.	Mar 12 07:22
DaemonFC	He curls up on my lap and watches tv with me.	Mar 12 07:23
DaemonFC	He actually does pay attention to what's on the tv.	Mar 12 07:23
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msb__	According to the article, "high" dose C raises the incidence of kidney stones in men from 1% to 2%. 99% of men who take it and 100% of women, have no increased kidney stones.	Mar 12 08:14
msb__	The article lies when it says there are no health benefits. My site links to several, and Cathcart's to even more.	Mar 12 08:15
msb__	"Ester-C	Mar 12 08:16
msb__	The name "Ester-C" is a lie. I've looked at the package. It's calcium ascorbate, exactly what you don't want to take if your body is unusually good at converting ascorbate to oxalate, which forms kidney stones with Ca.	Mar 12 08:17
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MinceR	geekings	Mar 12 11:08
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MinceR	http://hacksandstuff.com/science/paper-microscope-97-cents-by-stanford-scientists_1234268.html	Mar 12 12:20
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MinceR	http://www.cityam.com/article/1394504131/venezuela-s-mad-socialist-experiment-destroying-nation	Mar 12 15:00
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MinceR	so much for that dream world	Mar 12 15:00
Sosumi	when is taken to the extremes	Mar 12 15:04
Sosumi	yes	Mar 12 15:04
Sosumi	just like the US	Mar 12 15:04
MinceR	they can't even provide enough toilet paper to their people^Wserfs	Mar 12 15:07
Sosumi	well	Mar 12 15:08
Sosumi	there are tent cities in the US with people that dropped out of the labor market and can't find a job	Mar 12 15:08
Sosumi	which don't even account for the unemployment %	Mar 12 15:08
Sosumi	same also happens in japan	Mar 12 15:09
Sosumi	with cardboard cities	Mar 12 15:09
Sosumi	it is like I just said	Mar 12 15:09
Sosumi	when certain things are taken to the extreme	Mar 12 15:09
Sosumi	no good outcome can come out of that	Mar 12 15:09
Sosumi	did I forget detroit?	Mar 12 15:10
MinceR	maybe the turbo-republicans will succeed at destroying the economy to the point where they can sell cheap labor like the PRC does now :>	Mar 12 15:10
Sosumi	cheap labor?	Mar 12 15:10
Sosumi	more like sweat shop labor	Mar 12 15:10
MinceR	indeed.	Mar 12 15:10
MinceR	modern slavery	Mar 12 15:10
Sosumi	those folks don't even earn the required money to buy what they manufacture	Mar 12 15:11
Sosumi	and then you have companies	Mar 12 15:11
Sosumi	putting 90% markups on products	Mar 12 15:11
Sosumi	hey, like apple does	Mar 12 15:11
Sosumi	which is an exaggeration	Mar 12 15:13
Sosumi	other companies do that too, just to sound premium	Mar 12 15:14
Sosumi	like samsung was doing with the galaxy s4	Mar 12 15:14
Sosumi	by releasing it at the same price as the iphone	Mar 12 15:14
Sosumi	to them lower the price by 200€ in 2 months	Mar 12 15:15
MinceR	because the idiotic buyers believe that the hypePhone is premium and that it's worth its price	Mar 12 15:17
Sosumi	but the s4 isn't premium either	Mar 12 15:17
MinceR	at least the s4 is a smartphone	Mar 12 15:17
MinceR	and a high-end one at that, iirc	Mar 12 15:17
Sosumi	one is a piece of crippled crap with fancy looks	Mar 12 15:17
MinceR	i wonder if samsung is still pushing region locking	Mar 12 15:18
Sosumi	the other is turd made of plastic that doesn't get the updates at the same time google updates android	Mar 12 15:18
Sosumi	and yes	Mar 12 15:18
Sosumi	the region locking	Mar 12 15:18
Sosumi	which makes no sense	Mar 12 15:18
MinceR	only nexus devices get the updates when google updates android	Mar 12 15:18
MinceR	and there are good reasons for some of the delays	Mar 12 15:18
Sosumi	but samsung could at least use a metallic frame on their phones to add some resistance to screen	Mar 12 15:20
Sosumi	just in case someone accidentally sited on the phone	Mar 12 15:20
Sosumi	or applied some pressure	Mar 12 15:20
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Sosumi	or at least make the phone bulky	Mar 12 15:21
Sosumi	if they must indeed use plastic	Mar 12 15:21
Sosumi	it is just bad that the htc is kind of going under	Mar 12 15:21
Sosumi	simply because the htc one is kind of the model to follow	Mar 12 15:22
msb__	http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855	Mar 12 15:24
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MinceR	how do metal frames do in drop tests?	Mar 12 15:25
Sosumi	they get scratches	Mar 12 15:25
MinceR	sure, but does the display stay in one piece, does the phone keep working?	Mar 12 15:26
MinceR	all the drop tests i've seen resulted in an unusable phone	Mar 12 15:26
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 15:26
Sosumi	I just mentioned into resistance to deformation	Mar 12 15:26
Sosumi	from sitting on the top of the phone	Mar 12 15:27
Sosumi	and even if the phone is made of plastic	Mar 12 15:27
Sosumi	those smartphonesa with big screen	Mar 12 15:27
msb__	US support for fascist groups in Venezuela, and US media lying that the V govt is the source of the violence is the same strategy that the US just used in Ukraine.	Mar 12 15:27
Sosumi	I recomend to never let them fall	Mar 12 15:27
Sosumi	venezuela, US sponsored opposition promoting distabilization and bolivar governement not being of much help to the future survival of the country	Mar 12 15:29
Sosumi	of which in my opinion, was modeled after chaves personality	Mar 12 15:29
Sosumi	and dies with him	Mar 12 15:29
Sosumi	*died	Mar 12 15:29
msb__	Sadly, MinceR favors the US and the internal fascists in both cases, posting an article calling socialism a "mad experiment", and in his comment, a "dream world".	Mar 12 15:30
Sosumi	socialism is a mad experiment	Mar 12 15:30
msb__	Capitalism that is not severely regulated is a murderous psychopath experiment.	Mar 12 15:31
Sosumi	but so is anarcho/neo/degenerate-liberal and libertarian capitalism	Mar 12 15:32
msb__	same thing	Mar 12 15:32
Sosumi	that is why when it comes to those things	Mar 12 15:32
msb__	...capitalism that is not severely regulated	Mar 12 15:32
Sosumi	I recommend the balanced approach	Mar 12 15:33
msb__	Social democracy works.	Mar 12 15:33
Sosumi	with the required regulations and safety nets so that no one gets the shaft	Mar 12 15:33
msb__	So does democratic socialism when it isn't attacked by fascists.	Mar 12 15:34
Sosumi	and if they do get the shaft, well, at least try to minize the damage done	Mar 12 15:34
msb__	Sosumi: yes	Mar 12 15:34
Sosumi	also, social democracy doesn't work	Mar 12 15:34
Sosumi	people are too misguided	Mar 12 15:34
Sosumi	to the point they'd probably vote in for their own enslavement	Mar 12 15:34
msb__	That occurs because corporate media lies to them, so they don't know what's going on, and thus whom to vote for.	Mar 12 15:35
msb__	...for their own benefit.	Mar 12 15:35
Sosumi	corporate media tells what fits the needs of their parent companies	Mar 12 15:36
Sosumi	I wander since when was the duty of media to tell the truth	Mar 12 15:36
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Sosumi	I think, never	Mar 12 15:36
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msb__	Yes, which is exactly the opposite of what fits the needs of the people.	Mar 12 15:37
Sosumi	well, if the people don't know better	Mar 12 15:37
msb__	It was always the duty, but rarely the actuality.	Mar 12 15:37
Sosumi	let them suffer	Mar 12 15:37
msb__	That's an anti-human idea.	Mar 12 15:37
Sosumi	that is a realistic idea	Mar 12 15:38
msb__	So you think people should suffer if they are lied to by Bernays-style massive propaganda.	Mar 12 15:38
Sosumi	can you be stressed out by people of which you tell how things are	Mar 12 15:38
Sosumi	yest they continue to do the same over and over again	Mar 12 15:39
Sosumi	that is the very definition of madness	Mar 12 15:39
Sosumi	just like repeating the same experiment and expecting different result	Mar 12 15:39
Sosumi	*results	Mar 12 15:39
msb__	please reformulate. I could not parse that sentence starting with "can you..."	Mar 12 15:39
Sosumi	I'm working...	Mar 12 15:40
Sosumi	not even looked at the irc window	Mar 12 15:40
Sosumi	can you stress yourself out about people that even presented with the information	Mar 12 15:41
Sosumi	continue to do the same crap?	Mar 12 15:41
Sosumi	I can't	Mar 12 15:41
msb__	There are only a few people who access accurate info, ie, on the Web.	Mar 12 15:42
Sosumi	just on the web?	Mar 12 15:42
Sosumi	what about books	Mar 12 15:42
msb__	Pretty much.	Mar 12 15:43
msb__	They don't reach many people.	Mar 12 15:43
Sosumi	what about many of the ideals that still predominate today? like the works of malthus	Mar 12 15:43
Sosumi	what about Carrol quigley's books?	Mar 12 15:43
Sosumi	what about charles goulton darwin's books?	Mar 12 15:44
msb__	I just read that he was in favor of rule by a wealthy few.	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	they're probably on a library near you	Mar 12 15:44
msb__	(quigley)	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	all filled with dust	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	the info is there	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	for the ones that care to look at	Mar 12 15:44
msb__	They don't talk about current fascist takeovers, which is what people need to know about.	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	what about current "fascist" takeovers?	Mar 12 15:45
Sosumi	what ukraine?	Mar 12 15:45
msb__	Ukraine, Libya, attempts in Venezuela, Syria	Mar 12 15:45
Sosumi	there have been plenty of them through history	Mar 12 15:45
Sosumi	in order to formulate a pattern	Mar 12 15:46
Sosumi	if people actually cared to study historic precedents to war, revolutions and so on	Mar 12 15:46
Sosumi	they'd understand	Mar 12 15:46
msb__	People are programmed not to think by JCI religion, schooling, etc. They need to have the patterns described for them so they can easily understand.	Mar 12 15:47
Sosumi	that's a poor excuse	Mar 12 15:48
Sosumi	programming? what programming?	Mar 12 15:48
Sosumi	they just teach you at school the basics	Mar 12 15:48
msb__	No it isn't. The formulated fascist lies surround them on all sides.	Mar 12 15:48
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Sosumi	do you want to call the teaching of mathematics and physics	Mar 12 15:49
Sosumi	programming	Mar 12 15:49
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Sosumi	or chemistry or biology	Mar 12 15:49
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Sosumi	even on a middle grade to high school curricula	Mar 12 15:49
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Sosumi	I fail to notice the programming	Mar 12 15:50
msb__	No, at school -- grades 1 to 12 -- you are taught to believe what you're told, not question it, and regurgitate it, else you are punished.	Mar 12 15:50
Sosumi	I was never punished for questioning	Mar 12 15:50
msb__	Possibly the unnoticed programming is responsible for your belief that people who are flooded with lying propaganda deserve to suffer.	Mar 12 15:51
Sosumi	I just took the classes and at the end of the day would go to the library seek more info	Mar 12 15:51
Sosumi	well, they bring it onto themselves, don't they?	Mar 12 15:51
msb__	Can you see that JCI religion is programming not to think?	Mar 12 15:51
msb__	No, they don't.	Mar 12 15:51
Sosumi	well if they live confortably in their own ignorance, let them live	Mar 12 15:52
msb__	The psychopaths ordering the propaganda bring it onto them.	Mar 12 15:52
Sosumi	what good does a person like that bring	Mar 12 15:52
msb__	Not much, if they are programmed not to think.	Mar 12 15:53
Sosumi	ho yes, the poor victim who can't discern what is good and what is bad	Mar 12 15:53
msb__	Because they swim in a sea of lies.	Mar 12 15:53
Sosumi	do them?	Mar 12 15:53
msb__	That's the Bernays technique. Are you familiar with it?	Mar 12 15:53
Sosumi	or they just swim through their xbox library and tv channels	Mar 12 15:53
Sosumi	and do not care about anything else	Mar 12 15:54
Sosumi	because it is not in their comfort zone	Mar 12 15:54
msb__	So, apparently you have no empathy. Do you know the name of that condition?	Mar 12 15:54
Sosumi	empathy for what?	Mar 12 15:54
Sosumi	I deal with people every single day	Mar 12 15:55
msb__	For people who are so intensively lied to that they believe the lies.	Mar 12 15:55
Sosumi	I'm not going to put things inside their heads	Mar 12 15:55
msb__	?	Mar 12 15:55
Sosumi	I may point were to look	Mar 12 15:55
Sosumi	but they'll have to learn things by themselves	Mar 12 15:55
msb__	So, apparently you have no empathy. Do you know the name of that condition?	Mar 12 15:55
Sosumi	ho yes, I have a junior student asking me to solve him a calculus problem	Mar 12 15:56
Sosumi	so instead of giving him directions	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	I solve the exercise for him	Mar 12 15:57
msb__	Very different situation. He is not being lied to to prevent him from solving it.	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	and he learns nothing	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	same thing	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	one is a hard science the other is a human science	Mar 12 15:57
msb__	Do you know about Bernays technique for mind control?	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	what bernays technique	Mar 12 15:58
Sosumi	he may have written about it on porpaganda and his papaers	Mar 12 15:58
Sosumi	but the techniques of human "herd" control	Mar 12 15:59
Sosumi	are much older	Mar 12 15:59
msb__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays	Mar 12 15:59
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msb__	A good candidate for the most evil person to have ever lived.	Mar 12 15:59
Sosumi	is he? what about bertrand russel?	Mar 12 16:00
cubezzz	worst that Hitler? seems unlikely :)	Mar 12 16:00
Sosumi	shiklegruber was actually a kewl guy	Mar 12 16:00
Sosumi	at least, killed less than stalin and mao	Mar 12 16:01
Sosumi	but lets not forget the blood count bush senior/junior, clinton and obozo	Mar 12 16:02
msb__	Perhaps Microsoft has planted nazis in techrights to produce regime change.	Mar 12 16:03
Sosumi	and LBJ with the vietnam escalation	Mar 12 16:03
Sosumi	remember agent orange and all that?	Mar 12 16:04
Sosumi	maybe, just maybe, the kill count for vietnam was larger than hitlers kill count	Mar 12 16:05
Sosumi	and ppl continue suffering the repercussions to this day	Mar 12 16:05
msb__	You have changed the topic of conversation away from your total lack of empathy for populations lied to by ubiquitous fascist proganda.	Mar 12 16:05
Sosumi	so the kill counter is still ticking	Mar 12 16:05
Sosumi	what empathy?	Mar 12 16:06
msb__	Because you can't deal with that topic.	Mar 12 16:06
msb__	Exactly -- you have none. That is the definition of a sociopath/psychopath.	Mar 12 16:06
Sosumi	what empathy? again	Mar 12 16:06
msb__	You have changed the topic of conversation away from your total lack of empathy for populations lied to by ubiquitous fascist proganda.	Mar 12 16:07
Sosumi	for ppl who are too inept to break out of their comfort zones?	Mar 12 16:07
msb__	For people who don't know what reality is, because they are surrounded by lies, as in The Matrix.	Mar 12 16:07
Sosumi	cubezzz was the combo breaker	Mar 12 16:07
msb__	?	Mar 12 16:08
Sosumi	yet, as in the matrix some ppl were not ready to deal with the truth	Mar 12 16:08
Sosumi	so they couldn't be unplugged	Mar 12 16:08
Sosumi	and even at first neo had trouble accepting his new reality	Mar 12 16:09
Sosumi	so, I don't see what is the point	Mar 12 16:09
Sosumi	by mentioning the movie	Mar 12 16:09
Sosumi	which was bad	Mar 12 16:09
msb__	I'm talking about the vast majority of people who have not been "unplugged". You say they deserve the results of their programmed ignorance.	Mar 12 16:09
Sosumi	and cliché	Mar 12 16:10
cubezzz	as a hacker movie matrix wasn't very good	Mar 12 16:10
Sosumi	if they're not willing to think for themselves	Mar 12 16:10
Sosumi	well, they deserve everything they get	Mar 12 16:11
msb__	One of the most Conscious movies ever made, since it portrays the magnitude of the lying.	Mar 12 16:11
Sosumi	ho yes, here we go with the new age mantra	Mar 12 16:11
msb__	They can't think for themselves if they are denied truthful information and showered with lies.	Mar 12 16:11
Sosumi	consciousness! I tell ya	Mar 12 16:11
Sosumi	now here's a joint of marijuana	Mar 12 16:12
msb__	Consciousness is something you do not have.	Mar 12 16:12
Sosumi	well, actually now we entered into a paradigm	Mar 12 16:12
Sosumi	if they can't think for themselves	Mar 12 16:12
cubezzz	also the "code" in jurassic park was ridiculous :)	Mar 12 16:13
Sosumi	how can they decide if they are going to play xbox one ps3?	Mar 12 16:13
msb__	You're a programmed sociopathic robot.	Mar 12 16:13
Sosumi	*or	Mar 12 16:13
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/jurassic-code.jpg	Mar 12 16:13
Sosumi	ho yes, the evil sosumi	Mar 12 16:13
Sosumi	vs the messiah msb__	Mar 12 16:14
Sosumi	who thinks that by regurgitating alex jones is going to save everyone	Mar 12 16:14
cubezzz	alex jones was smart enough to interview Stallman :)	Mar 12 16:14
msb__	Jones is anti-socialist.	Mar 12 16:14
cubezzz	but yeah, Jones is crazy	Mar 12 16:14
Sosumi	because, hey AJ says "we" are winning, when in fact, "we" are losing, big time	Mar 12 16:15
Sosumi	plus, messiah msb__	Mar 12 16:15
Sosumi	you can't save them all	Mar 12 16:15
msb__	I and many others try to save some.	Mar 12 16:16
Sosumi	then good luck, grab your bullhorn and go yell at the street about the evil people	Mar 12 16:17
Sosumi	while everyone gives you a sight and thinks you're a raving lunatic	Mar 12 16:18
msb__	Calling me "messiah" is a lying propaganda technique: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman	Mar 12 16:18
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Sosumi	nop, it is referring to your mentality	Mar 12 16:19
msb__	Giving people accurate information is not being a "messiah".	Mar 12 16:20
Sosumi	but do the people want the information you're giving them?	Mar 12 16:20
Sosumi	did they ASK for it?	Mar 12 16:20
Sosumi	that goes to the point of saying jesus died to save us from our sin	Mar 12 16:21
Sosumi	but how many did actually want to be saved?	Mar 12 16:21
Sosumi	or actually knew what salvation was?	Mar 12 16:21
Sosumi	got the point?	Mar 12 16:22
Sosumi	messiah msb__	Mar 12 16:22
msb__	Obviously you don't, Sosumi. You have no empathy, you said "<Sosumi> shiklegruber was actually a kewl guy", and you are ignorant of Bernays.	Mar 12 16:22
cubezzz	I wouldn't give a linux disc to an Amish person :)	Mar 12 16:22
Sosumi	well, or the messiah msb__ would have to save them from the evils of technology	Mar 12 16:23
Sosumi	and then he would be called the luddite messiah msb__	Mar 12 16:23
cubezzz	people are pretty ignorant though	Mar 12 16:24
msb__	Wow, I have a whole new psychopath stalker!	Mar 12 16:24
Sosumi	although he kind of fits more on the context of the unibomber messiah msb__	Mar 12 16:24
cubezzz	but there has to be some level of willingness to learn for anyone to absorb useful info	Mar 12 16:25
Sosumi	follower of the church of ted kashinski	Mar 12 16:25
cubezzz	Kaczynski was a giant social misfit	Mar 12 16:25
Sosumi	but he did make valid points	Mar 12 16:25
Sosumi	on his manifesto	Mar 12 16:25
Sosumi	and would have made a great ethicist	Mar 12 16:27
msb__	Sosumi's heroes: Hitler and Ted Kaczynski.	Mar 12 16:28
cubezzz	except he bombed computer folks	Mar 12 16:28
cubezzz	kind of a downer	Mar 12 16:28
msb__	It's nice to have an IRC client that logs everything.	Mar 12 16:29
Sosumi	nop,	Mar 12 16:29
cubezzz	at least guys like Paul Ehrlich who wrote about the ills of society managed to not bomb people	Mar 12 16:29
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cubezzz	even if he wrote "The Population Bomb"	Mar 12 16:30
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Sosumi	Sosumi's heroes, Gotfried Leibnetz, Ben Franklin, Bill Cooper, Norbert Wiener	Mar 12 16:30
Sosumi	just to name a few	Mar 12 16:30
Sosumi	Paul fits into the neo-malthusion demagogy	Mar 12 16:31
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Sosumi	along with the john p holdren	Mar 12 16:32
Sosumi	which has been proven wrong and wrong time after time	Mar 12 16:32
Sosumi	about the ideas of limits to grow	Mar 12 16:32
Sosumi	and it goes as I say	Mar 12 16:33
Sosumi	this planet and solar system wont last forever	Mar 12 16:33
Sosumi	so, spread the population throughout the solar system at first and then the universe	Mar 12 16:34
Sosumi	and it would actually create a much better pretext for a perpetual peace	Mar 12 16:34
Sosumi	instead of the club of rome ideal	Mar 12 16:35
Sosumi	of having man as the "enemy" of the environment	Mar 12 16:35
Sosumi	again, neo-malthusianism	Mar 12 16:35
Sosumi	and jokingly or not	Mar 12 16:36
Sosumi	my approach is one of the options on the iron mountain protocol	Mar 12 16:36
Sosumi	that bill cooper used to boast about	Mar 12 16:36
Sosumi	back when he was still alive	Mar 12 16:36
cubezzz	that's a fine idea except there aren't any other planets we can live on	Mar 12 16:36
Sosumi	terraform mars?	Mar 12 16:36
Sosumi	isn't there water on the moon?	Mar 12 16:37
cubezzz	no atmosphere to speak of	Mar 12 16:37
cubezzz	rather a big problem	Mar 12 16:37
Sosumi	what about sending self assembly autonomous biospeheres	Mar 12 16:37
Sosumi	there aren't any yet?	Mar 12 16:37
Sosumi	no problemo, just make them	Mar 12 16:37
Sosumi	instead of making tanks and airplanes	Mar 12 16:38
Sosumi	and waging war	Mar 12 16:38
Sosumi	and actually deplenting resources on useless crap	Mar 12 16:38
Sosumi	messiah msb__, went to talk to his earthly father for advice	Mar 12 16:39
cubezzz	sure, _if_ we had infinite energy and transmutation of element technology we could terraform Mars	Mar 12 16:39
cubezzz	and make Earth a lot better :)	Mar 12 16:40
Sosumi	well specially since such redirection	Mar 12 16:41
cubezzz	once you can change co2 into oxygen you got it made	Mar 12 16:41
Sosumi	would put to an end into finding better ways to blow ppl to bits	Mar 12 16:42
Sosumi	and would phase out the military industrial complex	Mar 12 16:42
Sosumi	in the way that they'd still get the bucks	Mar 12 16:42
Sosumi	but by doing something good	Mar 12 16:42
cubezzz	nuclear fusion tech would help a lot	Mar 12 16:42
Sosumi	yes it would	Mar 12 16:43
Sosumi	I was actually happy about hearing the news that came from the laurence livermore lab	Mar 12 16:43
Sosumi	at least it confirmed that the pursuit of fusion isn't dead yet	Mar 12 16:43
cubezzz	cold fusion turned out to be a lemon	Mar 12 16:44
Sosumi	cold fusion is only popular with the UFOol folks	Mar 12 16:47
Sosumi	those have been the ones boasting about it	Mar 12 16:47
Sosumi	as for me, I'm not saying it is impossble	Mar 12 16:47
Sosumi	*impossible	Mar 12 16:47
cubezzz	there's some talk of plants being able to transmute elements	Mar 12 16:48
Sosumi	but until further developments, grain of salt must be taken	Mar 12 16:48
Sosumi	transmute elements? like breaking them down for abortion?	Mar 12 16:49
Sosumi	*absorption	Mar 12 16:49
cubezzz	created additional selenium for example	Mar 12 16:49
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 16:49
cubezzz	http://www.cheniere.org/books/aids/ch5.htm	Mar 12 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cheniere.org \| Extraordinary Biology [ http://ur1.ca/gttsi ]		Mar 12 16:49
Sosumi	that kind of biology doesn't fascinate me much	Mar 12 16:49
cubezzz	Komaki has conclusively proven that bacteria can transmute sodium into potassium	Mar 12 16:51
cubezzz	using very little energy	Mar 12 16:52
cubezzz	worth a look I'd say	Mar 12 16:52
Sosumi	I'll give it a read later	Mar 12 16:53
Sosumi	also, that is from Tom Bearden; I remember that guy	Mar 12 16:54
Sosumi	colonel I think?	Mar 12 16:54
Sosumi	who set himself in the search for Tesla's lost papers	Mar 12 16:55
Sosumi	about scalar waves	Mar 12 16:55
cubezzz	he does have a Phd I think	Mar 12 16:56
cubezzz	oh wait, maybe he doesn't :)	Mar 12 16:56
cubezzz	seems that Martin Gardner shot him down somewhat	Mar 12 16:57
cubezzz	but I've heard about the increase selenium produced by plants from other sources	Mar 12 16:57
Sosumi	he "had" one of which he bought	Mar 12 16:58
Sosumi	to some dubious organization	Mar 12 16:59
Sosumi	dr tom Bearden does sound much more fanciful to the coast to coast am type listener than just Tommy Bearden	Mar 12 17:00
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Sosumi	sebsebseb the magician	Mar 12 17:15
Sosumi	og maegeia	Mar 12 17:15
Sosumi	but I don't kind of believe into that scalar wave thing	Mar 12 17:18
Sosumi	not saying that it doesn't exist	Mar 12 17:18
Sosumi	but hum don't believe in it	Mar 12 17:19
Sosumi	https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/12/nsa-plans-infect-millions-computers-malware/	Mar 12 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org \| How the NSA Plans to Infect 'Millions' of Computers with Malware - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gtrn8 ]		Mar 12 17:20
Sosumi	yes the evil NSA?	Mar 12 17:20
Sosumi	or maybe the evil CIA	Mar 12 17:20
Sosumi	it's just funny how the NSA gets all the publicity while no mention to the CIA	Mar 12 17:22
Sosumi	it actually seems like someone or something is actually earning something by crippling the NSA	Mar 12 17:22
Sosumi	maybe the CIA would like to see NSA go away	Mar 12 17:23
Sosumi	https://twitter.com/fiatcurrency/status/443789453484900352	Mar 12 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fiatcurrency: lol RT @SuviKosonen: Clear "vomiting camel" in RDX. My brilliant colleague's latest technical analysis :) http://t.co/ZF1eRw1Kmw		Mar 12 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SuviKosonen: Clear "vomiting camel" in RDX. My brilliant colleague's latest technical analysis :) http://t.co/Mx30ULB2it		Mar 12 17:25
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MinceR	sadly, msb__ favors dictatorships so long as they call themselves "socialist" or "communist"	Mar 12 18:55
MinceR	162753 < Sosumi> I recomend to never let them fall	Mar 12 18:55
MinceR	so do i	Mar 12 18:55
Sosumi	wait	Mar 12 18:56
Sosumi	I though I had said that the balanced approach was the best approach	Mar 12 18:56
MinceR	to what?	Mar 12 18:57
Sosumi	neither extreme socialism	Mar 12 18:58
Sosumi	nos extreme anarchy	Mar 12 18:59
MinceR	ic	Mar 12 18:59
MinceR	well, i agree with that	Mar 12 18:59
cubezzz	no to anarchy certainly :)	Mar 12 18:59
Sosumi	aka degenerate liberalism/libertarianism	Mar 12 18:59
msb__	"<MinceR> sadly, msb__ favors dictatorships so long as they call themselves "socialist" or "communist"" MinceR is lying. I never said any such thing. I said I favor social democracy or democratic socialism. Never a dictatorship.	Mar 12 19:00
Sosumi	and I don't see were I wrote that "I recomend to never let them fall"	Mar 12 19:00
cubezzz	cubelog is watching you all :)	Mar 12 19:00
MinceR	yes, and dictatorships like to call themselves "socialist", "communist", "people's democratic republic", etc.	Mar 12 19:00
MinceR	i see beyond the curtain, msb__ does not.	Mar 12 19:00
Sosumi	the messiah msb__ is back after consulting with his earthly father	Mar 12 19:01
Sosumi	or was it heavenly canabis breath father	Mar 12 19:01
msb__	Great, the two lying psychopaths are attacking me together.	Mar 12 19:01
cubezzz	can't we just make derisive comments about microsoft like the olden days?	Mar 12 19:02
Sosumi	"I recommend to never let them fall" was in reference to the metallic made smartphones	Mar 12 19:03
cubezzz	j/k somewhat	Mar 12 19:03
MinceR	as usual, msb__ ornaments his authoritarianist/fascist/communist propaganda with the occasional lie and name-calling.	Mar 12 19:04
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 19:04
MinceR	Sosumi: i thought it was in reference to all smartphones regardless of metal content :>	Mar 12 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma/KDE: Progressing towards Next	Mar 12 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AU1OpaCd2k	Mar 12 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtusu	Mar 12 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Plasma/KDE: Progressing towards Next \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 19:04
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 19:04
cubezzz	I bet windows 9 will run awesome on my 486	Mar 12 19:06
Sosumi	as long as it has a math co-processor	Mar 12 19:06
Sosumi	I can't see why it wouldn't run	Mar 12 19:07
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 19:07
cubezzz	I've actually thought about making my own distro	Mar 12 19:09
Sosumi	not another gnu/linux distro	Mar 12 19:11
Sosumi	that'd be kind of a downer	Mar 12 19:11
Sosumi	instead	Mar 12 19:12
Sosumi	why not a gnu/hurd distro	Mar 12 19:12
Sosumi	or from what I've seen in the past	Mar 12 19:12
Sosumi	back in 2008	Mar 12 19:12
Sosumi	when I was still in high school	Mar 12 19:12
Sosumi	some folks were trying to create a "free version" of openvms	Mar 12 19:13
cubezzz	yeah freevms	Mar 12 19:13
cubezzz	I think it's still around	Mar 12 19:13
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 19:14
cubezzz	not really my thing, it's amd64 only	Mar 12 19:14
MinceR	brb, router restart :>	Mar 12 19:15
cubezzz	no my distro would be old computer friendly	Mar 12 19:16
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Sosumi	I think you're missing a lot by staying with a p3	Mar 12 19:17
Sosumi	you could be playing with evolutionary algorithms and neural nets	Mar 12 19:18
Sosumi	and doing much without being crippled by the speed of an old cpu	Mar 12 19:18
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cubezzz	well if you read my blog you'll know where I'm coming from :)	Mar 12 19:21
cubezzz	I'm not even a strong minimalist	Mar 12 19:21
Sosumi	and it is funny, considering that I once had a 866Mhz P3 and geforce 4 ti4600	Mar 12 19:21
Sosumi	and I couldn't max, say ut2003 on that	Mar 12 19:22
Sosumi	I didn't know you had a blog	Mar 12 19:22
cubezzz	yes, no one reads it :)	Mar 12 19:22
cubezzz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.com	Mar 12 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.com \| Notes on Linux		Mar 12 19:22
cubezzz	it says notes on linux but I talk about computers in general	Mar 12 19:23
Sosumi	bookmarked	Mar 12 19:23
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cubezzz	I wrote about some ideas about distros here:	Mar 12 19:30
cubezzz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/2012/05/eternal-distro.html	Mar 12 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca \| Notes on Linux: The Eternal Distro [ http://ur1.ca/gtvp8 ]		Mar 12 19:30
Sosumi	I think the idea is great, but at the same kind of comparing to running the marathon with a leg tied behind my back	Mar 12 19:43
Sosumi	given the amount of hardware that gets dumped each year	Mar 12 19:43
Sosumi	specially from the gamer croud	Mar 12 19:43
Sosumi	*crowd	Mar 12 19:44
Sosumi	everyone and you could always get cheap upgrades	Mar 12 19:44
Sosumi	and a p3 is ancient	Mar 12 19:45
Sosumi	specially a 500Mhz	Mar 12 19:45
Sosumi	and the thing is just not about the upgrade treadmill	Mar 12 19:47
Sosumi	but as the complexity of the software increases so does the need for faster hardware	Mar 12 19:48
Sosumi	and I'm in doubt	Mar 12 19:48
Sosumi	for things like a server, doesn't the current version of fedora run on a p3?	Mar 12 19:49
cubezzz	read Vance Packard "The Waste Makers" and you might change your mind	Mar 12 19:49
MinceR	even the complexity of the data increases :>	Mar 12 19:49
Sosumi	hardly, when I buy faster hardware is mostly because I outgrew what I had	Mar 12 19:50
cubezzz	I found newer Fedora less reliable to be honest	Mar 12 19:50
MinceR	and that of websites, unfortunately	Mar 12 19:50
cubezzz	well badly designed web designs is a poor excuse	Mar 12 19:50
cubezzz	we live in a society of waste, it's well over the top	Mar 12 19:52
Sosumi	but that waste brings progress and further advancement	Mar 12 19:52
Sosumi	what could be considered waste	Mar 12 19:53
cubezzz	ewaste, the world's full of it	Mar 12 19:54
Sosumi	is the use and trow away tech	Mar 12 19:54
Sosumi	like those prebuilt computers with no standard parts	Mar 12 19:54
cubezzz	plastics, chip fab, all need highly caustic chemicals	Mar 12 19:54
cubezzz	which end up in your soil	Mar 12 19:55
cubezzz	I'm merely suggesting cutting back on that	Mar 12 19:55
cubezzz	well I would suggest not buying bic-lighter computers :)	Mar 12 19:57
Sosumi	the biggest factor contributing to that is consumer tech	Mar 12 19:57
Sosumi	I don't see how it'd be possible to cut on that	Mar 12 19:58
Sosumi	ppl want crap, manufacturers give them crap	Mar 12 19:59
MinceR	manufacturers also make crap that nobody wants	Mar 12 19:59
MinceR	i.e. winblows phone phones	Mar 12 19:59
cubezzz	I don't think people really want crap, I think they just aren't thinking about it	Mar 12 19:59
Sosumi	I'm certainly not the one buying a big tv totally overblown colors	Mar 12 20:00
MinceR	people want crap so much they're willing to pay more for worse	Mar 12 20:00
MinceR	for example, for hypePhones	Mar 12 20:00
Sosumi	hypePhones, bang & ollufsen, etc	Mar 12 20:01
cubezzz	I like getting an old computer and fixing it up	Mar 12 20:01
Sosumi	fit into the model of a huge price premium just for the sake of exclusivity	Mar 12 20:01
Sosumi	and "perceived value"	Mar 12 20:02
cubezzz	"The Hidden Persauders" 1957 :)	Mar 12 20:02
cubezzz	also by Vance Packard	Mar 12 20:02
Sosumi	Bernays mentioned that on his book Propaganda, messiah complex msb__	Mar 12 20:02
cubezzz	Sun Microsystems had a lot of very interesting ideas to make computers more reliable	Mar 12 20:03
Sosumi	"had"	Mar 12 20:03
Sosumi	I'm still longing for a new sparc station or powerstation	Mar 12 20:03
cubezzz	I think Sun Oracle still sell servers	Mar 12 20:04
cubezzz	no idea what the prices are, I assume big $$$	Mar 12 20:04
Sosumi	yes, just servers	Mar 12 20:04
cubezzz	glibc is bloated too	Mar 12 20:06
cubezzz	hence the creation of dietlibc	Mar 12 20:09
cubezzz	the funny part about this is I've had this same convo 10 years ago :)	Mar 12 20:14
cubezzz	"come on, systems these days need at least 256 megs of ram"	Mar 12 20:14
cubezzz	"get rid of that crappy Pentium 1"	Mar 12 20:14
MinceR	one problem with the Eternal Distro is that at some point some packages would cease to receive security updates	Mar 12 20:15
MinceR	from upstream	Mar 12 20:15
cubezzz	2.11BSD still gets patches	Mar 12 20:19
cubezzz	but that doesn't run on actual hardware in my case	Mar 12 20:20
cubezzz	some packages in openbsd are from the 90's	Mar 12 20:22
cubezzz	some stuff gets orphaned, the creator loses interest, it happens	Mar 12 20:25
MinceR	does it update applications and libraries that are 4 or more stable major releases ahead of what it ships? :>	Mar 12 20:28
MinceR	at some point, the upstream developer's response to requests for security fixes becomes "just upgrade already, that release is 10 years old!" :>	Mar 12 20:29
MinceR	there's only so many releases they can maintain simultaneously	Mar 12 20:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Peppermint introduces cloud-based open source	Mar 12 20:29
TweetTuxMachines	desktop to Africa http://t.co/pqroXtp70A	Mar 12 20:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtxcx	Mar 12 20:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other	Mar 12 20:29
TweetTuxMachines	Changes http://t.co/MzrNkQPCpT	Mar 12 20:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtxcy	Mar 12 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Peppermint introduces cloud-based open source desktop to Africa \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 20:29
cubezzz	that's true, but I don't want my repositories to just disappear	Mar 12 20:30
cubezzz	I guess the only safe thing to do is mirror it all	Mar 12 20:30
MinceR	indeed	Mar 12 20:33
Sosumi	what about a hurd option?	Mar 12 20:38
Sosumi	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYyODE	Mar 12 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Replicant Developers Find Backdoor In Android Samsung Galaxy Devices [ http://ur1.ca/gtxhv ]		Mar 12 20:39
MinceR	well, that's just great	Mar 12 20:40
MinceR	looks like samsung took the same approach here as with the exynos 4 /dev/exynos-mem device	Mar 12 20:44
MinceR	(i.e. make a much bigger hole than necessary)	Mar 12 20:44
Sosumi	so much for the knox platform hey samsung	Mar 12 20:48
MinceR	indeed	Mar 12 20:48
MinceR	there should be high-end phones that communicate with the radio chip via serial link, not DMA	Mar 12 20:48
Sosumi	until them, 300€ netbook + 3g modem	Mar 12 20:49
Sosumi	and I actually once got asked	Mar 12 20:50
MinceR	that won't do non-voip phone calls and you can't answer calls on the street :>	Mar 12 20:50
Sosumi	if I was some kind of mafia guy for that combo	Mar 12 20:50
Sosumi	I don't people to call me	Mar 12 20:51
Sosumi	just send me an email	Mar 12 20:51
MinceR	:>	Mar 12 20:51
Sosumi	the last thing I need are the same people I have to deal with everyday also bothering me when I'm away from them	Mar 12 20:51
Sosumi	and doing pointless talk	Mar 12 20:52
Sosumi	just writing it down on email, takes less time and it makes it much easier	Mar 12 20:53
MinceR	unfortunately some of the people i keep contact with don't use email	Mar 12 20:53
Sosumi	without the need to yell at the phone because, say transit, radio, chatter and so on	Mar 12 20:53
Sosumi	voice calls are just for VIP	Mar 12 20:54
Sosumi	and are usually taken at home	Mar 12 20:54
Sosumi	http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/200575-mccain-to-lead-delegation-to-ukraine	Mar 12 20:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehill.com \| McCain to lead delegation to Ukraine \| TheHill [ http://ur1.ca/gtxrd ]		Mar 12 20:55
Sosumi	warnuts McCain	Mar 12 20:55
Sosumi	but the problem this time is that McCain isn't messing with the banana republic of Syria nor Iran	Mar 12 20:56
Sosumi	it is messing with the nuclear banana of russia	Mar 12 20:56
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Sosumi	https://twitter.com/ProSyriana/status/441570172948586496	Mar 12 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProSyriana: The devil machine was found and destroyed by the #Saudi religious police. #KSA #Wahhabism http://t.co/6dNbd8CwaF		Mar 12 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProSyriana: The devil machine was found and destroyed by the #Saudi religious police. #KSA #Wahhabism http://t.co/6dNbd8CwaF		Mar 12 20:58
Sosumi	meanwhile in the KSA	Mar 12 20:58
Sosumi	they're trying to exorcise a midi keyboard	Mar 12 20:58
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MinceR	:)	Mar 12 21:30
sebsebseb	MinceR: Sosumi hmm one of the main or kind of	Mar 12 21:32
sebsebseb	Mageia contributers died on Saturday	Mar 12 21:33
MinceR	:/	Mar 12 21:33
sebsebseb	yeah	Mar 12 21:33
Sosumi	real dead?	Mar 12 21:33
sebsebseb	chatted to him quite a bit over the years here and there on IRC, nearly met him inp erson to	Mar 12 21:33
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yes he has died	Mar 12 21:33
Sosumi	:(	Mar 12 21:33
Sosumi	how did he die»	Mar 12 21:36
Sosumi	?	Mar 12 21:36
sebsebseb	yeah thought I may get asked that	Mar 12 21:37
sebsebseb	Sosumi: he lost his fight aganst the lung cancer	Mar 12 21:37
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sebsebseb	he had treatment and such, but stil	Mar 12 21:37
Sosumi	lung cancer is usually terminal	Mar 12 21:38
sebsebseb	he had been rahter un well	Mar 12 21:38
Sosumi	:(	Mar 12 21:41
sebsebseb	Sosumi: however he has donated all his computer stuff to Mageia it seems	Mar 12 21:42
Sosumi	that was a honorable thing to do	Mar 12 21:44
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yeah well he had like three computers i THINK	Mar 12 21:44
sebsebseb	pluswhatever else	Mar 12 21:44
sebsebseb	and Magiea was his life at the end and very much so	Mar 12 21:44
sebsebseb	Sosumi: even when he was rather unwell he e	Mar 12 21:44
sebsebseb	he felt bad that he coudn't just contribute anymore	Mar 12 21:44
Sosumi	how old was he?	Mar 12 21:45
sebsebseb	50 something	Mar 12 21:45
Sosumi	well you know	Mar 12 21:46
Sosumi	life is short and he did use his limited time to make it count	Mar 12 21:46
sebsebseb	yeah	Mar 12 21:47
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 21:47
sebsebseb	Sosumi: also I am wondeirng what has happended to someone else	Mar 12 21:47
sebsebseb	that been chatting a lot to online	Mar 12 21:47
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she might have died as well, I really don't know	Mar 12 21:48
sebsebseb	and no way to just find out etc	Mar 12 21:48
Sosumi	also involved in mageia?	Mar 12 21:48
sebsebseb	nope	Mar 12 21:48
sebsebseb	Sosumi: just a girl I came across online (or whoever they really are)	Mar 12 21:49
sebsebseb	,but also one that woudn't do anything, but online text hmm	Mar 12 21:49
sebsebseb	well ok I saw some photos to, but that's it	Mar 12 21:49
Sosumi	online on irc?	Mar 12 21:49
sebsebseb	onine	Mar 12 21:49
sebsebseb	not IRC	Mar 12 21:49
Sosumi	have you seen if she changed the nick?	Mar 12 21:50
Sosumi	or probably just moved over onto something else	Mar 12 21:50
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she only has me on the particular chat account apparnatly to	Mar 12 21:51
sebsebseb	and won't just add to Facebook and uh	Mar 12 21:51
sebsebseb	Sosumi: so basically I just lose contact	Mar 12 21:52
sebsebseb	since she woudn't voice over Skype or so on	Mar 12 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Replicant developers find and close Samsung	Mar 12 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	Galaxy back-door http://t.co/NXG3dBLVlM	Mar 12 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtyo9	Mar 12 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 21:52
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I can't really explain stuff properly enough, but this person wow	Mar 12 21:52
Sosumi	I see	Mar 12 21:52
sebsebseb	,but then issues	Mar 12 21:53
sebsebseb	plus got in contact wht someone else, and then she tsopped chatting to me loads etc	Mar 12 21:53
sebsebseb	and uh	Mar 12 21:53
sebsebseb	Sosumi: ,but really annoyingly the communication issues	Mar 12 21:53
Sosumi	communication issues in what sense? improper language?	Mar 12 21:54
sebsebseb	Sosumi: no as in refusing to do anything more than just instant messagingin	Mar 12 21:54
sebsebseb	and occasioan emails maybe	Mar 12 21:54
sebsebseb	and not adding me onto whatever account hte other guy is on etc	Mar 12 21:54
sebsebseb	or Facebook even etc	Mar 12 21:55
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and not doing any voice thing, SKype or some other voip thing, or the phone even	Mar 12 21:55
sebsebseb	anyway it's been about four months now, and she may not be coming back this time it seems	Mar 12 21:55
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she may have got a bit upset at me in the last chat in fact as well	Mar 12 21:56
Sosumi	was she good looking?	Mar 12 21:56
Sosumi	had to ask ;)	Mar 12 21:56
sebsebseb	yeah I guess or enough	Mar 12 21:56
sebsebseb	,but it's the personality what she is like and such, that's the wow	Mar 12 21:56
sebsebseb	except for the communicaiotn issues	Mar 12 21:56
sebsebseb	and things like that	Mar 12 21:57
Sosumi	how so?	Mar 12 21:57
sebsebseb	Sosumi: eh nevermind	Mar 12 21:58
Sosumi	then I'll just my fertile imagination to draw a picture of her :P	Mar 12 21:59
Sosumi	*use	Mar 12 21:59
sebsebseb	Sosumi: oh you mean looks?	Mar 12 22:00
sebsebseb	Sosumi: uhmm she has brown hair it seems	Mar 12 22:00
Sosumi	I meant her personality	Mar 12 22:00
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she's not the averare girl	Mar 12 22:00
sebsebseb	really isn't the averaet girl	Mar 12 22:00
sebsebseb	a rare find	Mar 12 22:00
Sosumi	since that was the WoW factor	Mar 12 22:00
Sosumi	tell tell	Mar 12 22:00
sebsebseb	and I foundher onine, and then uh everything changed hmm	Mar 12 22:00
sebsebseb	after about 8 months	Mar 12 22:00
sebsebseb	shame	Mar 12 22:00
Sosumi	you still didn't explain what was WOWing about her	Mar 12 22:01
Sosumi	but it is ok :)	Mar 12 22:02
sebsebseb	Sosumi: you won't realy understandl	Mar 12 22:02
sebsebseb	Sosumi: it's just the chats we had and such	Mar 12 22:02
sebsebseb	that's the wow	Mar 12 22:02
sebsebseb	how well we got on etc	Mar 12 22:02
sebsebseb	well until most stuff changed, and changed a lot changed pretty much completly really even uh :(	Mar 12 22:02
Sosumi	you fell in love	Mar 12 22:05
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yeah basically as far as net went, but keeping reality in mind, not voiced, notmet etc, and them probably not realy feeliing the same way or not quite	Mar 12 22:06
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 22:06
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and then she came across some guy who was more interesting than me	Mar 12 22:06
sebsebseb	online	Mar 12 22:06
sebsebseb	and yep everthing chaned	Mar 12 22:06
sebsebseb	and changed a lot	Mar 12 22:06
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and we went from chatting nearly every day	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	to hardly at all	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	loads of periods of lots of weeks no chat	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	her not on etc	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	,but now it's been the longest one, so I am wondeirng what's going on	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	,because of helath issues etc	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	uh	Mar 12 22:07
Sosumi	did she have health issues?	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	yep	Mar 12 22:07
Sosumi	complicated?	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	sure	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	some pretty bad stuff by the soundsof it	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	,but don't realy understnad most of it	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	the medical terms etc	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and one time she had apendicious andn earlydied, whist away apparnatly, you see why I am a bit worried etc	Mar 12 22:09
Sosumi	I see	Mar 12 22:09
sebsebseb	and no it's not, just go find some other girl to get ot know all properly like that, it doesn't work that way	Mar 12 22:09
sebsebseb	really hard to find someone like what I found	Mar 12 22:09
Sosumi	wait then	Mar 12 22:10
Sosumi	a month or two	Mar 12 22:10
Sosumi	but then better move on	Mar 12 22:10
sebsebseb	Sosumi: no I mean got to find someone in person or online	Mar 12 22:10
sebsebseb	Sosumi: ,but	Mar 12 22:10
sebsebseb	online uh that doesn't really work usaully	Mar 12 22:10
sebsebseb	99% of the time	Mar 12 22:10
Sosumi	I've no idea	Mar 12 22:11
Sosumi	since I don't "date" online	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	and in person I don't really know enough girls at the moment	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I don't mean a date neassirely	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I mean soeone to get to know, to build up a special freindship with at least	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	oh and that happens to be a girl as well	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	Sosumi: if I want to chat to guys online, well that's easy enough heh heh	Mar 12 22:12
sebsebseb	and yeah I mean a girl that lives nearish to me idealy as well	Mar 12 22:12
Sosumi	be patient, that is all I can say	Mar 12 22:13
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I am going afk	Mar 12 22:13
Sosumi	yeah	Mar 12 22:13
Sosumi	gn	Mar 12 22:13
sebsebseb	Sosumi: no not bed	Mar 12 22:14
sebsebseb	news	Mar 12 22:14
sebsebseb	what's left of it	Mar 12 22:14
sebsebseb	what's left of main, and then local	Mar 12 22:14
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msb__	cubezzz: Nice blog!	Mar 12 22:41
cubezzz	thanks :)	Mar 12 22:41
msb__	cubezzz: Are you a KDE3 fan?	Mar 12 22:42
cubezzz	yeah, pretty much	Mar 12 22:42
cubezzz	I use a variety of window managers	Mar 12 22:42
msb__	Me too.	Mar 12 22:42
cubezzz	gnome2, icewm, mwm, a couple of KDE 3.X's, xfce	Mar 12 22:43
msb__	I don't mess with the system much, just stay with KDE3.5 and some KDE4 apps.	Mar 12 22:44
msb__	But I've written a lot of bash scripts.	Mar 12 22:44
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/retro-mwm-desktop.png	Mar 12 22:45
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msb__	Looks like old sunview or xeroxparc.	Mar 12 22:46
msb__	No taskbar or desktop switcher?	Mar 12 22:46
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/sunview-desktop.png	Mar 12 22:46
cubezzz	:)	Mar 12 22:46
cubezzz	iconbox is a sort of taskbar	Mar 12 22:47
msb__	ok, different style 8^)	Mar 12 22:47
cubezzz	that tiny font on sunview would drive me nuts	Mar 12 22:48
cubezzz	I can run KDE 3.5 and mwm at the same time	Mar 12 22:48
msb__	I've taken to using the KDE4 magnifier app sometimes.	Mar 12 22:49
cubezzz	I'm a fairly good motif programmer :)	Mar 12 22:49
cubezzz	KDE4 was just too slow on my old computers	Mar 12 22:49
cubezzz	I use reading glasses but I hate using glasses when I'm on a computer	Mar 12 22:50
cubezzz	I'd rather just make the font bigger	Mar 12 22:50
msb__	I don't like KDE4's whole style, and you can't read the desktop names in the desktop switcher ("pager") so I dumped it.	Mar 12 22:50
msb__	Multiple desktops are vital to me.	Mar 12 22:51
cubezzz	you can run more than one window manager remember	Mar 12 22:52
msb__	Why would I need more than KDE3?	Mar 12 22:52
cubezzz	xinit mwm -- :8	Mar 12 22:53
cubezzz	well, I wanted to experiment and improve my X window system knowledge	Mar 12 22:53
cubezzz	plus mwm is motif based so... a chance to learn more about motif	Mar 12 22:54
MinceR	a chance to learn why nobody uses motif anymore :>	Mar 12 22:54
cubezzz	I use it :)	Mar 12 22:54
MinceR	"bro, do you even ewmh?"	Mar 12 22:54
msb__	Sounds nasty.	Mar 12 22:55
cubezzz	I did say I run KDE3.5 as well :)	Mar 12 22:55
MinceR	i use mwm at work, i'm not a big fan of it :>	Mar 12 22:55
MinceR	of course, it still beats windows	Mar 12 22:55
MinceR	and macos	Mar 12 22:55
msb__	One thing I want to learn is graphics programming in X. I have some starter code somewhere.	Mar 12 22:56
cubezzz	I feel I can understand mwm source better than KDE3.5 source	Mar 12 22:56
MinceR	i haven't looked at mwm source yet	Mar 12 22:57
MinceR	i've coded an application for kde3 once, though :>	Mar 12 22:57
msb__	These days I only make the effort to understand stuff when I need to. It's a big world. I was pissed when transistors came along and replaced glowing warm vacuum tubes.	Mar 12 22:58
MinceR	i'm still curious	Mar 12 22:58
msb__	And again when ICs replaced discretes so I couldn't trace inside them.	Mar 12 22:59
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msb__	I'm curious too, but I have limited time.	Mar 12 22:59
cubezzz	it's not like I run something truely ancient like xwm :)	Mar 12 23:00
msb__	Mostly I want to figure out how to help restore a conscious culture like in the 1960s.	Mar 12 23:00
MinceR	i haven't even seen xwm	Mar 12 23:00
MinceR	when i started using X, twm was already what shipped with XFree86 by default	Mar 12 23:01
MinceR	(then again, XFree86 might never had xwm, for all i know)	Mar 12 23:01
cubezzz	when was that MinceR ?	Mar 12 23:01
MinceR	around 2000, i think	Mar 12 23:01
cubezzz	yeah xwm is pretty old	Mar 12 23:02
cubezzz	that's getting into the X11R2 era, around 1988	Mar 12 23:03
cubezzz	pre-linux :)	Mar 12 23:03
MinceR	:)	Mar 12 23:03
cubezzz	so Ultrix, or ummm	Mar 12 23:05
cubezzz	4.3BSD-Tahoe I suppose	Mar 12 23:05
msb__	My favorite bash script is called "p". If you do p filename while in the directory containing a file, it loads the FQ pathname of the file into the mouse clipboard.	Mar 12 23:06
msb__	Text mode drag n drop!	Mar 12 23:06
cubezzz	well you can just hilight in konsole -> klipper	Mar 12 23:07
msb__	Copy or move any file from one xterm (konsole) to another. And with mc in the console, you don't even have to type the filename.	Mar 12 23:07
msb__	cubezzz: Won't that just get the filename, not the path from root?	Mar 12 23:08
cubezzz	I can just hilight the whole path	Mar 12 23:08
msb__	But then you have to display the whole path first?	Mar 12 23:08
cubezzz	/mnt/e/old-x11/X.V10R3/xwm/xwm.h	Mar 12 23:09
cubezzz	ta da :)	Mar 12 23:09
cubezzz	yes, locate xwm.h then hilight since I can't remember where it is	Mar 12 23:09
msb__	So you run "locate" to do that. Can take a few seconds.	Mar 12 23:10
msb__	And then you have to run the cursor from one end of that text to the other, to hilite it.	Mar 12 23:10
cubezzz	let's see your script	Mar 12 23:11
msb__	I just have to type "p %s" and then alt-enter and enter	Mar 12 23:12
msb__	in mc	Mar 12 23:12
msb__	hold on for scripts	Mar 12 23:12
msb__	http://pastebin.com/XmYyMqzE	Mar 12 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.com \| p and xsel - Pastebin.com		Mar 12 23:17
msb__	There used to be an xsel app that came with xfree86, but it's not in the present X. So I had to find another way to stuff the clipboard.	Mar 12 23:18
cubezzz	ah, I'd have to adjust that to use it	Mar 12 23:19
cubezzz	no libqt4 on that box	Mar 12 23:20
MinceR	there's a separate xsel package on debian	Mar 12 23:21
msb__	I think I maintained the same command-line syntax in my xsel script as in the original xsel program, so if that debian one still works, it should replace mine with all its qdbus jazz.	Mar 12 23:24
MinceR	:>	Mar 12 23:24
MinceR	the distro you're using might have a separate xsel package as well	Mar 12 23:24
msb__	Nope. First thing I checked.	Mar 12 23:24
msb__	I also use an "xs" script, which is simply: xsel $*	Mar 12 23:27
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msb__	Also this "eb" (edit buffer) script: http://pastebin.com/YwE3A3QN	Mar 12 23:29
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msb__	and "x2e" edbuf=~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip\n xsel >\| $edbuf	Mar 12 23:31
msb__	And "e2x" edbuf=~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip\n xsel - < $edbuf	Mar 12 23:32
msb__	With these scripts, you can -- dare I say it? -- Rule The World!	Mar 12 23:32
msb__	For example, I just scanned 4 lines from the irc client into the mouse (trackball) clipboard. Then I typed:	Mar 12 23:35
msb__	xs\| sed 's/msb/foo/'\|eb -;e2x	Mar 12 23:36
msb__	and all the occurrences of "msb" in the clipboard were changed to "foo"	Mar 12 23:36
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cubezzz	I have xclip	Mar 12 23:38
msb__	Thus hiding my identity. I fly in the night like the wind!	Mar 12 23:38
cubezzz	uptime \| xclip	Mar 12 23:38
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msb__	I'm checking for it in such of my repos that remain.	Mar 12 23:41
MinceR	gn	Mar 12 23:42
msb__	I got it!	Mar 12 23:44
cubezzz	there's xsel for openbsd, but I can't find it for vector	Mar 12 23:51
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amarsh04	http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/video/digital-rights-and-dismal-governments-senator-scott-ludlam	Mar 13 00:06
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DaemonFC	http://gawker.com/mummified-woman-dead-for-six-years-reportedly-voted-in-1541508827	Mar 13 07:50
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DaemonFC	I was wondering why the bank didn't foreclose on her house sooner.	Mar 13 07:51
DaemonFC	Apparently, she had about $54,000 in her bank account when she died, so they kept making her house payment out of that until the money ran out.	Mar 13 07:52
DaemonFC	Still doesn't explain why nobody found her body for 6 years.	Mar 13 07:53
DaemonFC	You'd think the neighbors would be complaining about an overgrown lawn, or that her employer might notice that she didn't show up for work.	Mar 13 07:53
DaemonFC	A neighbor was mowing her lawn and she was laid off from Chrysler in 2008.	Mar 13 07:55
DaemonFC	Well, that explains it I guess.	Mar 13 07:55
DaemonFC	Still. Damn.	Mar 13 07:55
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DaemonFC	http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/14/03/12/2143225/replicant-os-developers-find-backdoor-in-samsung-galaxy-devices	Mar 13 08:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: City of staples http://t.co/jl7l4eXecA		Mar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: NSA's TURBINE robot pumps 'malware into MILLIONS of PCs' http://t.co/fR4max7ue8 send #nsa to jail yet? Nope.		Mar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| NSA's TURBINE robot pumps 'malware into MILLIONS of PCs' • The Register		Mar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #nsa is still hiring criminals in order for criminals to serve the state http://t.co/qcWqVEPs3R so much for moral high ground...		Mar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.reuters.com \| NSA 'hijacked' criminal botnets to install spyware \| Reuters		Mar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: European Parliament wants an end to NSA PRISM data haul http://t.co/0uC2c32qtE #nsa #prism #espionage #eu		Mar 13 08:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: MEPs want co-operation with the US to be suspended http://t.co/n9PQA7elXC http://t.co/EaFfjNrZeh #nsa		Mar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.europeanvoice.com \| MEPs want co-operation with the US to be suspended \| European Voice		Mar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerweekly.com \| MEPs call for immediate halt to NSA surveillance		Mar 13 08:22
DaemonFC	https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor	Mar 13 08:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google do no evil, just doing what #nsa asks ("following orders") http://t.co/G3dJ6M9YZp http://t.co/zz4rEJMlKS		Mar 13 08:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theburningplatform.com \| DO NO EVIL GOOGLE – CENSOR & SNITCH FOR THE STATE « The Burning Platform		Mar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ubuntu 14.04 gets new lock screen and borderless windows http://t.co/fhtipQqbQg #ubuntu #gnu #linux		Mar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com \| Ubuntu 14.04 gets new lock screen and borderless windows \| Muktware		Mar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Tim B-L foresaw the Web as a platform of collaboration; #nsa views it as a battleground. No wonder the NSA headed by military people.		Mar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Self-hosting now makes more sense http://t.co/gueI68PSDK I advise clients to always self-host where possible, now easier to reason		Mar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net \| How the NSA plans to automatically infect "millions" of computers with spyware - Boing Boing		Mar 13 08:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is #facebook #nsa ? Well, yes, in a way, sometimes. http://t.co/mXeekeI990 http://t.co/mV4dYzaMSD		Mar 13 08:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> venturebeat.com \| The NSA reportedly poses as Facebook to spread malware \| VentureBeat \| Security \| by Harrison Weber		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Lawmakers fail to ask NSA chief about agency's malware plans http://t.co/9Mk005eRIo #law and #nsa are antithetical		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworlduk.com \| Lawmakers fail to ask NSA chief about agency's malware plans - ComputerworldUK.com		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #nsa was a nation, the US would have nuked it http://t.co/33dQk1YZRh		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.networkworld.com \| U.S. cyber counterattack: Bomb 'em one way or the other		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Leading House Lawmaker Wants NSA Phone-Data Collection to End http://t.co/MLIgOOxITe http://t.co/UuJh40gU1R http://t.co/9P9ZhyReqW		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> online.wsj.com \| Leading House Lawmaker Wants NSA Phone-Data Collection to End - WSJ.com		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.baltimoresun.com \| Ruppersberger calls for an end to NSA's phone data collection - baltimoresun.com		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.concordmonitor.com \| Key lawmaker favors ending NSA data sweeps \| Concord Monitor		Mar 13 08:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #facebook is harnessed by the #nsa versus "targets", then why are UK recruitment firms treating no FB account (i.e. not "target") as bad?		Mar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Survey: Linux demand, salaries on the rise http://t.co/iU8PJVJklE #gnu #linux is hot in the jobs market -- many can attest to it		Mar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com \| Survey: Linux demand, salaries on the rise \| ITworld		Mar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CASE STUDY: Kiwi fruit distributor freshens up with Linux http://t.co/S6sdjZQhXG #gnu #linux #nz		Mar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworld.co.nz \| CASE STUDY: Kiwi fruit distributor freshens up with Linux - T&G, database, DB2, IBM, Windows, DB, Suse linux enterprise server, enterprise IT, Oracle, BayWa, turners and growers, windows server, Sue Linux, SAP, Data Centre, Case Study - Computerworld New Zealand		Mar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The ultimate guide to migrating an entire office from #Windows to #GNU #Linux http://t.co/JMjcnH0PMf seen it done, not too hard		Mar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itproportal.com \| The ultimate guide to migrating an entire office from Windows to Linux \| ITProPortal.com		Mar 13 09:27
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444033525994749952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034176703283200 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034486557474817 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034745593511936	Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The press has new word for non-targets killed in #drone #assassinations and that word is "bodyguard", better than "human shield"		Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 8 Questions the World Faces as Lethal Drones Proliferate http://t.co/I3iDy78d57 http://t.co/PCBLZLp7Bd #drones		Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com \| 8 Questions the World Faces as Lethal Drones Proliferate - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic		Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> reason.com \| U.N. Report on Drone Strikes Calls for Clearer Global Norms and More Accountability - Hit & Run : Reason.com		Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The burden of proof is very heavy if you assassinate people half a globe away using the claims of "self-defense". #occupation #assassination		Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'We cannot "kill" terrorism with a drone.' http://t.co/LjcmrTgNlT		Mar 13 09:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #CIA Is Not a Fourth Branch of Government http://t.co/42a35YmUV0 it acts like a government of its own		Mar 13 09:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Yemeni boy... demonstrating how he ducked in his school as soon as he heard the sound of a plane." http://t.co/J7IHcOcJ7c		Mar 13 09:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Obama and his media pals are hypocrites on Putin." http://t.co/iGl7SZwc0Z		Mar 13 09:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Yesterday there was another set of #drone assassinations in #yemen killing "suspects" (meaning not much) http://t.co/qQlxXytS21		Mar 13 09:29
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schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444036823510433792 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037105963266048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037290273562624	Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How can secret drones campaign really make us safer? http://t.co/hl8K1CSlCL published widely http://t.co/iQpwqOkdGB		Mar 13 09:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/opinion/drones-campaign-clare-algar-reprieve/m )		Mar 13 09:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: At #nytimes (mostly #pentagon relay) the question is, WHO does the #assassination not WHETHER http://t.co/TsTWIYkyNI		Mar 13 09:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #nytimes has been responsible for demonising many victims of #drones (even US citizens) after they're killed, can't present their side		Mar 13 09:32
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schestowitz__	http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855	Mar 13 10:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Venezuela: Regime Change, Destabilization and the Hidden Hands of U.S. Capitalism \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqssp ]		Mar 13 10:25
schestowitz__	MinceR: one wonders if sanctions make a a self-fulfilling prophecy	Mar 13 10:29
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747313	Mar 13 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Drones that electrocute people http://austinist.com/2014/03/10/watch_an_intern_get_shocked_by_a_st.php like thugs (police) but with 0 sympathy		Mar 13 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> austinist.com \| Watch An Intern Get Shocked By A 'Stun Copter' Drone At a SXSW Demo: Austinist [ http://ur1.ca/guga5 ]		Mar 13 10:35
schestowitz__	"One step closer to a "Cop's eye" but it won't be used for anything good. Maybe it's more like the Star Wars torture drone."	Mar 13 10:35
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747207	Mar 13 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Assuming #snowden has ~100,000 documents (encrypted, #pentagon says 2 million), sure thing is, after Pierre took over not many revelations		Mar 13 10:35
schestowitz__	"Is that so? I've been enjoying The Intercept."	Mar 13 10:35
schestowitz__	Last night they resumed making big news, so let's wait and see...	Mar 13 10:36
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor confirming stuff that many fear. #android #backdoor		Mar 13 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gty26 ]		Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	"s, I have to root my device....soon! Is this enough? Is it safe to install something like CyanogenMod instead? Or is therre no escape?"	Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	@Cheery Littlebottom, I wonder how it works.	Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	Maybe you can reformat rootfs to different FS…	Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755777	Mar 13 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Yesterday there was another set of #drone assassinations in #yemen killing "suspects" (meaning not much) http://news.oneindia.in/international/us-drone-kills-three-al-qaeda-suspects-in-yemen-1411362.html		Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	"Arbitrary killing, mankind is in good hands."	Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3750956	Mar 13 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pleased to say that RMS has been reading #techrights for many years. He is happy that he now has #diaspora presence https://joindiaspora.com/people/048b2a2fbd610b16		Mar 13 10:46
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schestowitz__	"So wait, is he actually using D, or is this just a bot that scrapes his posts and puts them up on our network? :) If he were really using Diaspora, that would be awesome! I seem to remember there was an Emacs extension that could hook into D..."	Mar 13 10:46
schestowitz__	"It's a bot that scrapes his political notes. <blockquote>Bio Unofficial profile of Richard Stallman for reposting his posts to Diaspora http://stallman.org/</blockquote>"	Mar 13 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://stallman.org/</blockquote )		Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3751124	Mar 13 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Reporters Without Borders says #india about as bad as #gchq and #nsa when it comes to mass #surveillance http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indias-centre-for-development-of-telematics-worst-online-spies-reporters-without-borders/1/347920.html		Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> indiatoday.intoday.in \| Forget NSA, India's Centre for Development of Telematics is one of top 3 worst online spies : India, News - India Today [ http://ur1.ca/gugd1 ]		Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__	I know that first-hand, you cannot go to an Internet coffee shop or buy an Internet dongle without an Indian ID. And in almost every important building like malls, government offices or big companies, there are metal detectors.	Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__	But at least they have good reasons to do that: foreign and local terrorist incidents, two countries that are not so good neighbors, and all despite they don't invade countries just for fun as the US.	Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__	Hope this does not last so much.	Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__	Metal detectors I can understand, but why mass surveillance?	Mar 13 10:48
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3748009	Mar 13 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Blatant lie (marketing) from #google : "any information inside Google is safe from the government's prying eyes" http://www.campaignindia.in/Article/374775,sxsw14-eric-schmidt-on-julian-assange-gchq-russian-internet-censorship-and-robots.aspx		Mar 13 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.campaignindia.in \| SXSW14: Eric Schmidt on Julian Assange, GCHQ, Russian internet censorship and robots - News - Digital - Campaign India [ http://ur1.ca/gthzl ]		Mar 13 10:52
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__	That's not funny, it's evil. A false sense of security can be worse than no privacy at all. We know that the NSA has boxes in Google that Google uses to cooperate and we know that the NSA also made successful frontal assaults on users. Both mean that people have no privacy in Google, but the worse of the two is the U SAP AT RIOT ACT that demands Google cooperate and lie about it. Schmidt should rather step down than cooperate but	Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__	there's more bad attitude in the article.	Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__	Both [Jared and I] felt that who gets to decide what information is public is a pretty fundamental issue in a democracy, and our general view is that we don't want random people leaking large amounts of data. We don't want random people leaking large amounts of health records or tax records - I don't think that serves society. It's better to have other mechanisms for whistleblowers that don't involve the data permanence problem;	Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__	because the information, once disclosed, is there forever and can be used against people.	Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__	That's really wrong and unless it's out of context it is a very evil twist on what whistle blowers and Wikileaks or Snowden in particular are doing. Neither simply dump private information, the organizations are set up to carefully expose public crime. This article makes it look like there's a conflict between Schmidt, and Wikileaks or Snowden, but it might be that they were all in agreement and this is selective quoting.	Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__	Wikileaks has a conflict with Schmidt and his buddy Jared:	Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__	http://thestringer.com.au/google-and-the-nsa-whos-holding-the-shit-bag-now/	Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__	Read it. This is illuminating.	Mar 13 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thestringer.com.au \| Google and the NSA: Who’s holding the ‘shit-bag’ now? \| The Stringer [ http://ur1.ca/gugef ]		Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3751189	Mar 13 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "CIA hacked Senate PCs to delete #torture reports." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/11/senator_feinstein_outraged_that_cia_hacked_her_computers_for_torture_evidence/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/11/senator_feinstein_outraged_that_cia_hacked_her_computers_for_torture_evidence/		Mar 13 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| CIA hacked Senate PCs to delete torture reports. And Senator Feinstein is outraged • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/guger ]		Mar 13 10:55
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	I like <a href="http://stallman.org/archives/2014-jan-apr.html#12March2014(CIAunderminedconstitutionbysearchingsenate_computers)">RMS's take</a>, to welcome the change and help. <blockquote>Rather than condemning her for "self-contradiction" or "hypocrisy", we should invite her to change her previous views.</blockquote>	Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	Maybe, unlike Merkel, the change is real and will be long lasting. If we reward her for it and make her feel welcome and heroic, we can increase the chances of it being so. In any case, we should thank her for saying some of the right things.	Mar 13 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org \| 2014: January - April Political Notes - Richard Stallman [ http://ur1.ca/guget ]		Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:56
MinceR	schestowitz__: pretty much the same thing happened even where weren't sanctions. also, they could at least provide fuel to their own citizens, but they don't, afaik	Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	maybe	Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	but there were coup attempts	Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	and still, I heard they had enjoyed healthcare	Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	much of the bad publiciuty may be slanted because I mostly see it in US media	Mar 13 10:57
schestowitz__	so far	Mar 13 10:57
schestowitz__	TBH, i don't even think it has much to do with political systems	Mar 13 10:57
schestowitz__	it's abotu whose interests are served	Mar 13 10:57
schestowitz__	as stories of banana republics serve to show	Mar 13 10:58
schestowitz__	so to frame it as socialism vs capitalism rather than independent from US empire vs client nation would be serving the propaganda	Mar 13 10:58
MinceR	extreme authoritarian systems tend to be the same regardless of whether they frame themselves as communist/socialist or capitalist or whatever	Mar 13 10:59
schestowitz__	is capitalism orthogonal to authority	Mar 13 11:00
schestowitz__	Remember that capitalism and democracy are not the same	Mar 13 11:00
schestowitz__	India and Sweden may be examples of that	Mar 13 11:00
schestowitz__	here in the UK there's lots of stuff I can't legally do	Mar 13 11:00
MinceR	the word capitalism is used to refer multiple conflicting things	Mar 13 11:01
schestowitz__	socialism, AFAIK, is also about distribution of means	Mar 13 11:01
schestowitz__	you can have it managed 'softly'	Mar 13 11:01
schestowitz__	liberally	Mar 13 11:01
schestowitz__	Russia has huge economic disparity	Mar 13 11:02
MinceR	afaik socialism is also what communists rebranded themselves to after they realized people didn't want it	Mar 13 11:02
schestowitz__	AND it's authoritarian	Mar 13 11:02
MinceR	kadar renamed his party like that, for example	Mar 13 11:02
MinceR	notice the parallel to m$'s search engine and instant messenger :>	Mar 13 11:02
schestowitz__	heh	Mar 13 11:02
schestowitz__	they call it what now?	Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__	Last I read, they planned to collapse IM into Skype	Mar 13 11:03
MinceR	they did	Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__	And Live is going extinct as a brand	Mar 13 11:03
MinceR	maybe it's still available for suxbox users	Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__	They use the "Office" and "Bing" brands now	Mar 13 11:03
MinceR	i can't even follow all the things they called "live"	Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__	neither can they	Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__	I hardly follow MS news these days	Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__	unlesss someone brings that to me	Mar 13 11:03
Sosumi	don't worry about it	Mar 13 11:23
Sosumi	with m$ now	Mar 13 11:23
Sosumi	it's just more of the same	Mar 13 11:23
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444073527474667520	Mar 13 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Samsung Galaxy Back Door, #NSA Malware, Congressional Backlash, More #Drone Strikes, and #Ukraine Intervention http://t.co/cfEzvFglMB		Mar 13 11:35
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schestowitz__	> Those overlap with the backdoors in the second processor I've linked to	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	> before. I'm also starting to wonder if any FOSS on the mobiles is	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	> pointless until the second processor and its OS get addressed. It's	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	> been ignored but clearly that's where the real covert access and	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	> surveillance happens. Replicant is a great idea and necessary for the	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	> visible processor, but it looks like it is just as important to get that	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	> hidden second processor covered by FOSS. I'm sure that if such a	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	> project were to turn up it would be a heck of a fight to get it actually	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	> certified. Certification is apparently why that backdoored system gets	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	> taken as is, there's nothing else.	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	The latest find may suggest that not only the second OS is the issue. I need to look at the technical details..	Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444075039307358209	Mar 13 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Cecond OS in phones (which facilitates back doors, turning mobiles to listening devices) shows that mixing FOSS with blobs never good enough		Mar 13 11:45
schestowitz__	*Second	Mar 13 11:45
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444079933900734464	Mar 13 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Links 13/3/2014: Games http://t.co/nGhFj6j1Vy Applications http://t.co/zYN29xIG3i Instructionals http://t.co/N8uQg83tTY #techrights		Mar 13 11:58
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor confirming stuff that many fear. #android #backdoor		Mar 13 12:00
schestowitz__	"@XRevan86 that´s Nerdtalk sweety :-) What??? :-D"	Mar 13 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gty26 ]		Mar 13 12:00
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/444077999345139712	Mar 13 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@markhughes: MT @schestowitz #Samsung OS in phone w #backdoor, turning mobiles to #surveillance devices shows mixing #FOSS with blobs never good enough		Mar 13 12:01
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	I mean that I didn't find explanation of how this backdoor works in an article so I can't say what you have to do to prevent it %).	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	If radiomodule has a FS driver for a backdoor then you can change a FS in order to prevent it working. Like if it works with ext4 then use f2fs and vice versa.	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	If it uses blobs in OS in order to communicate with OS then… well, Replicant would not need to do anything to close a backdoor because they don't use blobs at all.	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	Also about f2fs: support of f2fs included in Linux 3.8+. But I don't know any other ways to reformat except from recovery (CWM, TWRP) and they doesn't seem to have f2fs support %).	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	I mean that I didn't find explanation of how this backdoor works in an article so I can't say what you have to do to prevent it %).	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	If radiomodule has a FS driver for a backdoor then you can change a FS in order to prevent it working. Like if it works with ext4 then use f2fs and vice versa.	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	If it uses blobs in OS in order to communicate with OS then… well, Replicant would not need to do anything to close a backdoor because they don't use blobs at all.	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	Also about f2fs: support of f2fs included in Linux 3.8+. But I don't know any other ways to reformat except from recovery (CWM, TWRP) and they doesn't seem to have f2fs support %).	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 12:10
MinceR	you could just block those calls like the replicant guys' patch does	Mar 13 12:11
MinceR	and see what breaks :>	Mar 13 12:11
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Lemtzas/status/444111764313997312	Mar 13 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lemtzas: @schestowitz I CAN FEEL THE FREEDOM FROM HERE		Mar 13 15:35
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/RezwanRazani/status/444111664821309440	Mar 13 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RezwanRazani: @schestowitz Have you read Jaron Lanier's "Who Owns The Future"? sounds like the same topic. I got it at the Library. Will purchase soon.		Mar 13 15:35
schestowitz__	I don't like Lanier	Mar 13 15:35
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 15:39
schestowitz__	"@Cheery Littlebottom, I wrote a lot in my bad English, sorry :-D."	Mar 13 15:39
schestowitz__	"Veery good English :-) whish I had written like this in your age! I found this, but don´t understand :-D http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/SamsungGalaxyBackdoor #Replicant is an alternative Android https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor so I assumed my CyanogenMod device is safe :-)"	Mar 13 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-redmine.replicant.us \| SamsungGalaxyBackdoor - Replicant [ http://ur1.ca/gueio ]		Mar 13 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gtxwi ]		Mar 13 15:39
schestowitz__	"it runs as root - if I am root there can´t be another???? Still rooting my device soon because this backdoor was in one of the apps you can´t deinstall - except you are root :-)"	Mar 13 15:40
schestowitz__	" Thank you for a link, now I see that suggestion about changing FS is totally useless %). New suggestion: either install Replicant, either install replacements for blobs from Replicant into OmniROM, CyanogenMod or else. And no, your CyanogenMod is not safe because CyanogenMod uses blobs a lot. Including affected one."	Mar 13 15:41
schestowitz__	"thanx!!!!"	Mar 13 15:41
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/RezwanRazani/status/444152836814032896	Mar 13 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RezwanRazani: @schestowitz Yes, I looked at it. Read the @AlinaSimone piece. It's not adequate. It's begging for change. http://t.co/sWtkQj8qKZ		Mar 13 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fusionenergyleague.org \| Begging for Change: The Dollars and Sense of Making Nonprofits Responsive, Efficient, and Rewarding		Mar 13 16:50
Sosumi	http://lgbtweekly.com/2013/03/20/leading-ukraine-opposition-figure-surprises-supporters-by-denouncing-gay-marriage/	Mar 13 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lgbtweekly.com \| Leading Ukraine Opposition figure surprises supporters by denouncing gay marriage \| LGBT Weekly [ http://ur1.ca/guiiw ]		Mar 13 17:28
Sosumi	Yatsenyuk doesn't like gay ppl	Mar 13 17:32
Sosumi	meanwhile in the land of the rising sun	Mar 13 17:32
Sosumi	6,3 earthquake near kyuchu	Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFC	4 seconds ago	Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFC	http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20140102/big-cigarette-tax-hikes-might-prevent-200-million-deaths-in-a-century	Mar 13 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webmd.com \| Big Cigarette Tax Hikes Might Prevent 200 Million Deaths in a Century – WebMD [ http://ur1.ca/guijw ]		Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFC	It has been well documented that major tax increases are the biggest deterrent to smoking.	Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFC	In the United States, I believe that Congress should raise the tax until you can't go to a state in the country where the price of a pack is under $8.	Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFC	They should also pass legislation that reverses the Supreme Court's decision that said that Congress can't force tobacco companies to use plain packaging and graphic warnings. Making it illegal to use the current pack designs might be "unconstitutional", but making a law that says that there's an additional $10 tax per pack that does not meet the plain package and graphic warning requirements set by the FDA would be legal under Congress's power	Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFC	to tax, which was most recently affirmed by the Supreme Court in their NFIB v. Sebelius ruling, which upheld the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.	Mar 13 17:33
Sosumi	fukushima and other closed down installations still standing	Mar 13 17:34
Sosumi	even if they aren't :)	Mar 13 17:34
Sosumi	smoke glue instead	Mar 13 17:35
Sosumi	or snort gas	Mar 13 17:35
Sosumi	much cheaper	Mar 13 17:35
Sosumi	and you get to die in the same fashion	Mar 13 17:35
Sosumi	no! smoke gas	Mar 13 17:35
Sosumi	but sorry, I just don't see what is the enthusiasm in smelling bad and holding a mini torch	Mar 13 17:37
Sosumi	http://www.voanews.com/content/merkel-russia-risks-massive-damage-in-ukraine-crisis/1870218.html	Mar 13 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com \| Kerry: US, Europe Will Respond if Crimea Referendum Passes [ http://ur1.ca/guikx ]		Mar 13 17:39
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444164443128496128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444163156483780608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444161879183990785 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444161609238609920	Mar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #RedHat kicks out sponsor, then relents http://t.co/FIJRYfqI6e "got itself into Red Hat's bad books by competing against it"		Mar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itwire.com \| Red Hat kicks out sponsor, then relents		Mar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How times have changed for #PostgreSQL http://t.co/w4L6EuDwle #postgres I have worked with a lot recently		Mar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com \| PostgreSQL education and adoption has changed for the better \| opensource.com		Mar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: R.I.P FREE SPEECH: Protesters can now be charged $750 or 2 years gaol for attending protests in Victoria http://t.co/Y9phpGbiGS #au		Mar 13 17:40
Sosumi	europe's answer = preparing for winters without heating	Mar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> talkingpoints.com.au \| R.I.P FREE SPEECH: Protesters can now be charged $750 or 2 years gaol for attending protests in Victoria		Mar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Playing with pebbles of democracy https://t.co/2hHTKAG4IM		Mar 13 17:40
DaemonFC	Sosumi: American cigarettes are among the most dangerous in the world, with maybe an exception for the ones that are certified organic.	Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__	DaemonFC: good news re cigs	Mar 13 17:41
DaemonFC	Those aren't good for you either, but they're not "as bad".	Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__	bernays and other idiots killed my grandma	Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__	brainwashing women into smoking	Mar 13 17:41
Sosumi	USA's answer = leave afeghanistan without their equipment because they wont be using the russian corridor to ship everything back	Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__	lol	Mar 13 17:41
DaemonFC	schestowitz__: Well, it appeals to them because you do tend to keep weight off when you smoke, but it's not worth the trade.	Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__	eventually all the flesh is gone	Mar 13 17:42
DaemonFC	So you're 10 pounds lighter and you're destroying your body with cigarettes.	Mar 13 17:42
schestowitz__	and you're just calcium	Mar 13 17:42
DaemonFC	Much worse to smoke than to be 10 pounds heavier.	Mar 13 17:42
schestowitz__	but it may be good for pensions companies	Mar 13 17:42
schestowitz__	which is a business many financial 'firms' are in	Mar 13 17:42
schestowitz__	konock a tax from people's wages and never give returns	Mar 13 17:43
DaemonFC	I'll tell you how to lose 20 pounds in a year.	Mar 13 17:43
DaemonFC	Cut out two cans of soda per day.	Mar 13 17:43
schestowitz__	yeah, that's one	Mar 13 17:43
schestowitz__	we gained wweight here and now compete to lose it	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	around 4 KG each	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	one way is, low fat milk	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	no ddesserts almost	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	no added oil, more fruit	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	no peanuts and other famous fattening foods	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	more exercise and even 6 classes of yoga! in the heat, like a sauna	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	played vollyball today in the sun for two hours	Mar 13 17:45
MinceR	182849 < Sosumi> http://lgbtweekly.com/2013/03/20/leading-ukraine-opposition-figure-surprises-supporters-by-denouncing-gay-marriage/	Mar 13 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lgbtweekly.com \| Leading Ukraine Opposition figure surprises supporters by denouncing gay marriage \| LGBT Weekly [ http://ur1.ca/guiiw ]		Mar 13 17:47
MinceR	as expected from a member of an EPP observer member party	Mar 13 17:47
Sosumi	EPP?	Mar 13 17:48
MinceR	european people's party	Mar 13 17:48
MinceR	the same organization fidesz and kdnp are members of	Mar 13 17:48
MinceR	and where most of the european governments belong currently	Mar 13 17:48
MinceR	perhaps it's time for europeans to come to their fucking senses and stop supporting these fundamentalist parties	Mar 13 17:49
Sosumi	ho the PSD group	Mar 13 17:49
MinceR	psd group?	Mar 13 17:49
Sosumi	yes, the group to which the current coalition government here in portugal belongs to	Mar 13 17:51
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112	Mar 13 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?		Mar 13 17:51
Sosumi	*p00rtugal	Mar 13 17:51
schestowitz__	"Who do you serve, and who do you trust?"	Mar 13 17:52
Sosumi	RT at moment needs house clearing	Mar 13 17:52
schestowitz__	I serve free, just society, and I trust almost none of the corporate (private, for power/profit) press	Mar 13 17:52
Sosumi	and stop serving as the feed for the libertarian demagogues	Mar 13 17:53
MinceR	ah, the portuguese EPP member party	Mar 13 17:53
cubezzz	MinceR, so has Hungary switched more to linux now?	Mar 13 17:56
MinceR	i don't know	Mar 13 17:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz__: Yeah, my first job was a union job.	Mar 13 17:56
MinceR	from what i see, the country is still a wretched hive of m$ cultism	Mar 13 17:56
DaemonFC	They got us decent pay and good health insurance. Short and Long Term Disability insurance. Good dental insurance.	Mar 13 17:57
MinceR	people clinging to their unusable crap with 10 fingers	Mar 13 17:57
DaemonFC	The union had what was basically a backdoor dues system.	Mar 13 17:57
MinceR	they seem to love their crappy vista7 and their craptastic exchange and outlook	Mar 13 17:57
DaemonFC	They had a "pension plan" where the company would contribute like 50 cents per hour worked, but you had to work there 7 years or else you didn't qualify to get any of your pension back.	Mar 13 17:58
MinceR	the government are a bunch of crApple cultists	Mar 13 17:58
DaemonFC	So the union just made off with all the pension money I earned during the two years I was there.	Mar 13 17:58
cubezzz	some Hungarian teachers made SuliX and also Frugalware is Hugarian	Mar 13 17:58
MinceR	yeah, there's a bit of resistance	Mar 13 17:58
MinceR	on the other hand, mobile and Android are taking over here too, it seems	Mar 13 18:00
MinceR	so maybe m$ will end up losing due to the PC being marginalized here as well	Mar 13 18:00
cubezzz	things are changing, as they always do	Mar 13 18:00
cubezzz	you mentioned you used mwm at work, what OS is that running on?	Mar 13 18:02
MinceR	a fork of SLED	Mar 13 18:03
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/terminsane/status/444171581204353024	Mar 13 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@terminsane: @schestowitz yeh, its part of the NAU deal. Canadian politicians are being bought by US govt to give up canadian sovereignty		Mar 13 18:03
MinceR	well, if it deserves to be called a fork	Mar 13 18:03
cubezzz	I wonder why they picked mwm	Mar 13 18:13
MinceR	probably because that system is ancient and mwm was modern when they started developing it :>	Mar 13 18:16
Sosumi	canada is part of the commonwealth	Mar 13 18:17
MinceR	i wonder if the monarch abuses her privileges there like in the uk	Mar 13 18:17
Sosumi	for that to happen, the british crown would have to give up sovereignty on canada	Mar 13 18:17
cubezzz	MinceR, I found that mwm does run faster than KDE 3.5	Mar 13 18:18
MinceR	i'm pretty sure canadians could declare independence if they wanted to	Mar 13 18:18
cubezzz	uses less memory too	Mar 13 18:18
MinceR	fvwm uses even less memory, afaik :>	Mar 13 18:19
cubezzz	lol, I remember one guy who wouldn't even run X	Mar 13 18:19
MinceR	i remember hearing about such guys here, around 2000	Mar 13 18:20
MinceR	(as in the year, not the number of guys)	Mar 13 18:20
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFC	Unlike Laz, I am fair and impartial. When a company has been behaving badly, I don't try to sweep it all under the rug.	Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFC	In this case, it's a Samsung specific issue. If anyone can prove that my LG G2 has been similarly booby trapped, then I'll gladly eat some humble pie.	Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFC	The most disturbing part of this is that Samsung devices are all Google certified, so either Google knew of this backdoor in the proprietary libsamsung-ipc, and approved it anyway, or they overlooked it during the certification process.	Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFC	The problem with Android is that the version you get on actual devices always relies on some proprietary software. The thing that makes Apple worse is that iOS is almost completely proprietary and it is certainly not possible for anyone to ever release a corrected version of it without the spyware and backdoors.	Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFC	The beauty of Freedom respecting software is that if someone makes a version that does something nasty, someone else can come along and fix it, and that's exactly what Replicant's developers did in this case. They saw what libsamsung-ipc did, and replaced it with a fully Free library that stands in for it without the booby trap that Samsung put in theirs.	Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFC	On the whole, Android is a better choice than iOS, even if it has some of the same problems as iOS, because nobody can ever fix iOS and offer iPhone or iPad users a choice. The best that anyone can do with iOS is crack it, replace part of the OS, and open up the possibility of additional software sources, after voiding the warranty.	Mar 13 18:23
cubezzz	dude, it's like you're blogging _in_ IRC	Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFC	yeah :)	Mar 13 18:23
MinceR	i doubt google audits stuff like this for their certification	Mar 13 18:24
cubezzz	did mwm ever have a program to access the clipboard?	Mar 13 18:27
MinceR	isn't xsel good enough? :>	Mar 13 18:28
MinceR	or xclipboard	Mar 13 18:28
MinceR	or even parcellite	Mar 13 18:29
cubezzz	http://maxhost.org/other/nouveau-retro-desktop.png	Mar 13 18:35
DaemonFC	Someone said that Obama voters believe that he can turn water into wine.	Mar 13 18:36
DaemonFC	I said, "He can turn water into wine, the same way that anyone else can. Through a scientific process that goes back at least several thousand years."	Mar 13 18:36
MinceR	cubezzz: klipper sticks out :>	Mar 13 18:37
cubezzz	that's the nouveau part :)	Mar 13 18:37
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFC	Christians believe that their demigod walked on water.	Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFC	generalblue (Proud PS4 Owner) says:	Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFC	Liberals believe that Obama can turn water into wine.	Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFC	Obama can turn water into wine the same way anyone else can.	Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFC	Through a scientific process that goes back at least several thousand years.	Mar 13 18:43
MinceR	:>	Mar 13 18:43
MinceR	it's more of a traditional one than a scientific one, really	Mar 13 18:44
MinceR	some people discovered they like spoiled fruit juice :>	Mar 13 18:44
cubezzz	xclipboard must have been dropped by most distros	Mar 13 18:45
MinceR	i've only seen it mentioned in the xsel docs	Mar 13 18:45
MinceR	didn't really look for it :>	Mar 13 18:45
cubezzz	very quaint, it shows one line at a time	Mar 13 18:52
cubezzz	no wonder everybody dumped it	Mar 13 18:52
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757627	Mar 13 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Playing with pebbles of democracy https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_56dbef74d7fb4bc55bb3.jpg		Mar 13 18:53
schestowitz__	"Lots of democracy."	Mar 13 18:53
schestowitz__	http://www.zdnet.com/ibm-is-spending-but-is-it-enough-to-buy-the-cloud-7000026796/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9	Mar 13 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| IBM is spending, but is it enough to buy the cloud? \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/guj3w ]		Mar 13 19:09
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444183787841531906 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444186329027727360 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444188404176404480 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444189723591200768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190041481703424	Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gentoo and #sabayon #gnu #linux have been eerily quiet for a number of months. Are they done compiling (not Sabayon, Gentoo)?		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Eurocom Begins Offering #gnu #linux High Performance Laptops http://t.co/oCUxevplQE		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Eurocom Begins Offering Linux High Performance Laptops		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Raspberry Pi: Fun with a serious purpose http://t.co/Kihdef0JFS #raspberrypi #linux		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Raspberry Pi: Fun with a serious purpose \| ZDNet		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Tim Berners-Lee's first browser was simple and text-driven. " no DRM. http://t.co/JGyrG0HXt7		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| The browser's resized future in a fragmented www world • The Register		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.		Mar 13 19:26
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190312014311424 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190588112748544 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190950479659008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444191706305818625 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444192088843108353	Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Getty Images Allows Free Embedding, but at What Cost to Privacy? https://t.co/cdMlWcsEo5 so it was a publicity stunt only. #getty #fail		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eff.org \| Getty Images Allows Free Embedding, but at What Cost to Privacy? \| Electronic Frontier Foundation		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM http://t.co/mLX5TTjUh3 #drm #timbl #lockin #hollyweb		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM \| Technology \| theguardian.com		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Tim Berners-Lee: 'We should have ways of protecting people like Snowden' http://t.co/wEgBMehfUm and #hollywood apparently		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Tim Berners-Lee: 'We should have ways of protecting people like Snowden' \| Technology \| theguardian.com		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google tries to protect the #privacy of Chinese citizens while trashing privacy of Westerners http://t.co/ddewmiWeMJ it's all political then		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - Google encrypts search text in China		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google's latest publicity stunt neglects to mention that Google, the MITM, gives #nsa and #gchq access to the text data. #privacy #pr #spin		Mar 13 19:26
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Sosumi	http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462551&d=1393353919	Mar 13 19:41
Sosumi	lol	Mar 13 19:41
Sosumi	also mega accident just now at my corner of the street	Mar 13 19:42
Sosumi	a dude just crashed his pegaut roadster in a parked car	Mar 13 19:43
Sosumi	*into	Mar 13 19:43
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Sosumi	the dude didn't get any injuries	Mar 13 19:44
Sosumi	but the crashing and all the pieces flying	Mar 13 19:44
Sosumi	awesome	Mar 13 19:44
DaemonFC	Someone told me that a person isn't poor if they have a DVD player.	Mar 13 19:46
DaemonFC	I said "Wow, you've solved the problem. Let's just give everyone a $20 DVD player and nobody will be poor!"	Mar 13 19:46
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DaemonFC	It's still pretty easy to get a massive television set for free if you're not picky.	Mar 13 19:47
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DaemonFC	People give away those old standard definition sets all the time.	Mar 13 19:47
DaemonFC	You can get an antenna and a DTV to analog converter for a song.	Mar 13 19:47
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444196619727405056	Mar 13 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Android-based robot aims for Rubik’s Cube record http://t.co/yPmggrWE1e #android #linux		Mar 13 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxgizmos.com \| Android-based robot aims for Rubik's Cube record · LinuxGizmos.com		Mar 13 19:55
DaemonFC	The city did something really dumb.	Mar 13 19:56
DaemonFC	They waited more than 24 hours after the snow storm to plow my street. It's all going to melt tomorrow anyway.	Mar 13 19:56
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747933	Mar 13 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: World Bank to lend #Ukraine $3bn http://rt.com/business/world-bank-3bn-ukraine-042/ a banker's 'solution' is life-long #debt		Mar 13 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> rt.com \| World Bank to lend Ukraine $3bn — RT Business [ http://ur1.ca/gtnrq ]		Mar 13 19:56
schestowitz__	"I have read Al Jazeera news a few times and were surprisingly good, but I don't like so much muslim countries so I don't look for Al Jazeera news on my own."	Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758143	Mar 13 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.		Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__	"He used a NEXT computer (with NEXTStep running on it), according to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb#History And of course NEXTStep contained large chunks of BSD (NetBSD and FreeBSD I think) so Unix is right."	Mar 13 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| WorldWideWeb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gujcx ]		Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757233	Mar 13 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When systems are designed with back doors in mind (as in NEEDING those) it should be no surprise that financial transactions are risky		Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__	"I have been seriously thinking about having some cash in my house because of that."	Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112	Mar 13 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?		Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	"Still no interest in whole truth."	Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	"I don't like Russia so much but certainly I like RT News, I try to take whatever is good."	Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	@Cronos, it's a pity that there isn't anything like RT in Russian %).	Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	Quality of Russian TV is… something.	Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	'	Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758018	Mar 13 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gentoo and #sabayon #gnu #linux have been eerily quiet for a number of months. Are they done compiling (not Sabayon, Gentoo)?		Mar 13 19:59
schestowitz__	"never ending story :P probably re-compiling with more optimal flags"	Mar 13 19:59
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444203797217562624	Mar 13 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Kernel News: Linux 3.14 RC6, MOOC, ARM Support in Xen and More http://t.co/3Cnffqjtnn #linux news		Mar 13 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Kernel News: Linux 3.14 RC6, MOOC, ARM Support in Xen and More \| Techrights		Mar 13 20:10
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444205495008915457	Mar 13 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Today in #Techrights http://t.co/PvGhxXWuGb		Mar 13 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Mar 13 20:17
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757754	Mar 13 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I remember days when Linux Journal was a Web site about #linux ... oh, the memories...		Mar 13 20:21
schestowitz__	"Yup, I was reading Linux gazette also http://linuxgazette.net/archives.html ... so many years ago..."	Mar 13 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgazette.net \| Linux Gazette : Archives		Mar 13 20:21
schestowitz__	I was thinking about them too earlier today	Mar 13 20:21
DaemonFC	https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/1921081_726786257355858_308957311_o.jpg	Mar 13 20:27
MinceR	at least you have real roads	Mar 13 20:28
schestowitz__	DaemonFC: I like this joke	Mar 13 20:36
schestowitz__	seen similar	Mar 13 20:36
schestowitz__	MinceR: does absurdistan have no real roads?	Mar 13 20:37
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444207673085812736 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444209306620428288	Mar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Which FOSS libraries are the most common on Android platform http://t.co/1PDRFmAi6t		Mar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.advogato.org \| Advogato: Which FOSS libraries are the most common on Android platform		Mar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "First they came for the Muslims, but I was not a Muslim so did not speak up." http://t.co/dqB00xAm4g		Mar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> anniemachon.ch \| Niemoeller Redux - Using Our Intelligence		Mar 13 20:38
MinceR	schestowitz__: it has pathetic roads	Mar 13 20:42
Sosumi	DaemonFC, a jetpack would do the trick in there	Mar 13 20:43
MinceR	not enough lanes, extremely low quality, stupid signage	Mar 13 20:43
MinceR	in budapest, they made sure there was not enough space left for roads, even	Mar 13 20:43
Sosumi	we don't have that kind of problem here	Mar 13 20:44
Sosumi	only some small interneraries serving remote places are like that,	Mar 13 20:45
Sosumi	to the point if there is car coming on the oposite direction	Mar 13 20:45
Sosumi	you need to get out of the road	Mar 13 20:45
DaemonFC	I try to minimize the amount of time I drive.	Mar 13 20:53
DaemonFC	With gas being what it is, I tend to combine trips as much as possible.	Mar 13 20:54
DaemonFC	Like, I'll do laundry and grocery shopping on the day that I have to go to the doctor's office.	Mar 13 20:55
DaemonFC	That way I'm not running around, burning another gallon of gas to do the same stuff on different trips.	Mar 13 20:55
DaemonFC	When my car was made, gas was $1.10 a gallon on a bad day.	Mar 13 20:55
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444214887620030464	Mar 13 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #phoronix gets it wrong http://t.co/yRbVTkgIxA		Mar 13 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gamedev.net \| I almost fell for this... - OpenGL - GameDev.net		Mar 13 21:01
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758143	Mar 13 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.		Mar 13 21:02
schestowitz__	"That's what Cern shows http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/WorldWideWeb.html the first client was built on a Next workstation. <img src="http://www.w3.org/History/1994/WWW/Journals/CACM/screensnap2_24c.gif">"	Mar 13 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3.org \| Tim Berners-Lee: WorldWideWeb, the first Web client [ http://ur1.ca/gujnh ]		Mar 13 21:02
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757147	Mar 13 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Amazon: hosting illegally-obtained data (with $600m contract) for criminal #cia but dumping #wikileaks from its servers for showing crimes		Mar 13 21:02
schestowitz__	"We got this thing under control ... "	Mar 13 21:02
schestowitz__	Amazon made its showcase, got a big. lucrative deal	Mar 13 21:03
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sebsebseb_	schestowitz__: HI	Mar 13 21:20
sebsebseb_	MinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi this Saturday	Mar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_	I got the oppertunity to uhmm	Mar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_	promote openSUSE with KDE to teh general public hmm	Mar 13 21:21
MinceR	ew	Mar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_	or	Mar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_	Ubuntu with UNity	Mar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_	or	Mar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_	Mint with Cinnamon	Mar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_	I think they pruposuly out voted Magiea and GNOME 3 in November, thinking I would just say it's better than the other stuff etc	Mar 13 21:22
Sosumi	mint with cinnamon for the lesser evil	Mar 13 21:22
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: yeah or Ubuntu with UNity ?	Mar 13 21:22
Sosumi	hasn't Markie Shutleworm kind of fallen out of favor?	Mar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_	well yes and no	Mar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_	,but htis event is aimed at general public	Mar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_	not that technical people	Mar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_	the idea is they pick an interface rather htan a distro	Mar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_	or mainly pick something by interface	Mar 13 21:23
Sosumi	I see	Mar 13 21:23
Sosumi	then it is a tie between mint and ubuntu	Mar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_	they will have the same kind of plymouth theme	Mar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_	and same kind of addiontal apps mainly	Mar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_	codecs etc	Mar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: yeah openSUSE pft	Mar 13 21:25
sebsebseb_	plenty of other distros that do KDE good	Mar 13 21:25
sebsebseb_	oh and Yast that aparnatly is so good uhmmm, there's that nice control centre in Magiea and such	Mar 13 21:25
Sosumi	DaemonFC, I've been using public transportation as of late,	Mar 13 21:25
MinceR	yeah, yast is so good	Mar 13 21:25
sebsebseb_	MinceR: yeah that's sarcasm?	Mar 13 21:26
MinceR	for example, when i start yast from the icewm menu, it asks for the password and then does nothing	Mar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_	like saying oh, Yast is so amazing? when it's not?	Mar 13 21:26
MinceR	and when i start it from rxvt-native, the whole screen falls apart	Mar 13 21:26
Sosumi	with my current schedule, there is no point and I get to my destination way faster without the need to find a parking spot	Mar 13 21:26
MinceR	afaict it's rather ill-behaved	Mar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_	well at least the video that's going to be used for the event	Mar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_	makes it nice and clear in the open suse review	Mar 13 21:26
MinceR	then again, that's what i generally find with Microsoft Linux, SuSE Edition	Mar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_	that it's more for power users	Mar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_	that should put some peope off I guess :D	Mar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_	and KDE is all gekey etc	Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_	anyway seems I am heping in the demo area :)	Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_	where they get to play around with the three distros	Mar 13 21:27
Sosumi	KDE is cool, could be a lot better	Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_	means I can talk to people to then :D about stuff	Mar 13 21:27
MinceR	kde is not geeky	Mar 13 21:27
Sosumi	but still kewl	Mar 13 21:27
Sosumi	also nothing geeky about it	Mar 13 21:27
DaemonFC	The last time I used Yast, it crashed a lot, it was still using Qt3, which had been abandoned for 4 years upstream at that point, it was very slow updating the software list, it had conflicts between several repositories that OpenSUSE recommended, and the extension to deal with orphans was broken and could not be installed.	Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_	video first, demo area next, and then re mastered usb they get given else where and get to try on own machine if bought along	Mar 13 21:28
Sosumi	want to go geeky? just use the terminal	Mar 13 21:28
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: MinceR KDE looks like WIndows,but hten is realy geeky once trying to customise and such in my experience	Mar 13 21:28
sebsebseb_	get in a mess to moving icons around and such	Mar 13 21:28
MinceR	i mean kde seems to be aimed at non-geeky users, with lots of eye candy and little flexibility	Mar 13 21:28
MinceR	since 4.x	Mar 13 21:28
sebsebseb_	MinceR: I am not sure about that	Mar 13 21:28
MinceR	sure, it's not gnome3 :>	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	,but I Think what I just put still applys	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	once you start doing something more than just the basics	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	with KDE	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	get in a mess	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	that's why I put the background changer slide show on and that's about as far as I go when it comes to "trying" to cusotmise KDE	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	,becuase I Have had it before, the icons being moved arounda ll over on the panel and not being able to put back, and the buncy ball enabled and not just being able to disable it and stuff like that	Mar 13 21:30
sebsebseb_	Mageia is nice enough for KDE	Mar 13 21:30
sebsebseb_	as are most distros really that run KDE, but yeah it's openSUSE with KDE	Mar 13 21:30
sebsebseb_	for event	Mar 13 21:30
MinceR	stuff like that makes me value software that is configured via a text file :>	Mar 13 21:31
sebsebseb_	stuff like what?	Mar 13 21:31
MinceR	like openbox and the lxde panel	Mar 13 21:31
MinceR	oh, wrong "stuff"	Mar 13 21:31
sebsebseb_	I think i'll be in the demo area trying to sell Ubuntu or Mint :)	Mar 13 21:31
MinceR	stuff like KDE refusing to configure itself the way you want to	Mar 13 21:31
sebsebseb_	someone else can do suse a bit	Mar 13 21:32
MinceR	or forgetting its settings :>	Mar 13 21:32
*sebsebseb_ appanratly is good at marketing stuff like this		Mar 13 21:32
sebsebseb_	I guess give peple osme perosnal opinons and such to	Mar 13 21:32
sebsebseb_	and then let them decide	Mar 13 21:32
sebsebseb_	MinceR: Sosumi however what got me started chatting about all this again is uhmm	Mar 13 21:32
sebsebseb_	there's this other gorup that I go to, I gave a few flyers out before, about event, but still many peope won't know about it	Mar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_	people who may find it useful	Mar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_	or well some of them anyway	Mar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_	I was going to email the mailing list on Monday about the event, but I wasnt' happy with what I came up with each time I Tried etc	Mar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_	to geeky	Mar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_	I am going to be talking about events and so on next Thursday there as well it seems. ,but I am just thinking shoud I bother emailing them or not to the list	Mar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_	I Mean if I do that as wel, some may go to the event, and pick openSUSE uh	Mar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_	as well	Mar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_	openSUSE defiently has nice merchandice, but I woudn'treally recommend it as a distro to someone	Mar 13 21:34
MinceR	neither would i	Mar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_	KDE can run in plenty of other distros and nicely	Mar 13 21:35
sebsebseb_	yast uhmmm well Magiea etc has the control centre so uhmm, who needs yast really??	Mar 13 21:35
sebsebseb_	why woudn't you recommend openSUSE?	Mar 13 21:35
sebsebseb_	Mint has some settings type stuff to really	Mar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_	yast isn't needed	Mar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_	MinceR: also to promote LInux to people from my other group, well it's a speaking group :d	Mar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_	MinceR: so I don'treally ned them to come to an event such as this one on Saturday	Mar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_	that's what I am thinking	Mar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_	I can demo stuff on my netbook, an talk to people there about it, just genral talk, and sometimes in talks even	Mar 13 21:37
sebsebseb_	and then there isn't just peopel going off to some distro I didn't really want them to as such I guess as well, well ok they still decide stuff, but I think you get what I Mean?	Mar 13 21:37
sebsebseb_	if they go to event, they can pick up a remasterd USB, of Ubuntu, Mint, or openSUSE depending on what they choose	Mar 13 21:37
sebsebseb_	I think main reason I am hmm to emailing there is since it will seem a bit off topic, and I'll just make myself look much more geeky maybe and yeah uh	Mar 13 21:38
sebsebseb_	MinceR: comments?	Mar 13 21:40
MinceR	meh	Mar 13 21:40
sebsebseb_	MinceR: looking like a geeek, to much,can seem bad	Mar 13 21:40
sebsebseb_	MinceR: Sosumi Mint wel in for the event, since event is about live sessions	Mar 13 21:42
sebsebseb_	,but generally who needs Mint?	Mar 13 21:42
sebsebseb_	can run CInnamon in other distros now quite a few :) plus there are other similar interfaces around and yeah	Mar 13 21:42
sebsebseb_	I tried to get Mint out before sort of, and yeah	Mar 13 21:43
sebsebseb_	MinceR: 38 Facebook likes the other day I Think	Mar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_	MinceR: 54 when I lookd ealrier	Mar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_	ok so one of htose is mine, one is the other organtier, and maybe another one or two as well	Mar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_	,but I guess it means 50 "other" people liked the event ot	Mar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_	MinceR: and not sure how well the Google adveritsing is working or not	Mar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_	,but been coming up quite a lot apparnatly	Mar 13 21:45
sebsebseb_	so I guess the event will get the 50 to 80 or so expected people then, and witout me advertising it on the mailing list to that other group?	Mar 13 21:45
Sosumi	just see if someone else gets opensusie	Mar 13 21:46
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: what do you mean?	Mar 13 21:46
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: see if these "other" peopel from else whre, go and choose opensuse or whatever they choose?	Mar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_	is that what you mean?	Mar 13 21:47
Sosumi	yes	Mar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: yep exactly that's what I am thinking	Mar 13 21:47
Sosumi	so that you get either mint or ubuntu	Mar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_	uh?	Mar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: from my other gorup I am thinking I may be able to convert some to Magiea later on :d	Mar 13 21:48
Sosumi	well, if that other ppl get ubuntu and/or mint	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	some time	Mar 13 21:48
Sosumi	all you'll be left is with opensusie	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: ,but if they go to event	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	they may go to opensue or something maybe some of them I don't know	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: the three of htem will be togehter on the demo pc's	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: ,but if I mainly promote Ubuntu and Mint	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	then probably not that many will go with opensuse :D	Mar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_	they will want a Mint and Ubuntu remaster or both :)	Mar 13 21:49
Sosumi	ok	Mar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_	and openSUSE will be like h	Mar 13 21:49
Sosumi	good then	Mar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_	eh	Mar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_	plus I think the video makes it seem that opensuse is for power users quite technical etc	Mar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: yeah and the openSUSE guy uhmm	Mar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_	I am not htere to promtoe openSUSE that's my whole point	Mar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_	I would have been there promoting Mageia properly and GNOME 3, but they out voted that so	Mar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_	at lest that and Fedora is mentioned in hand out though	Mar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: MinceR yeah FODEM this time went to no talks, spent two days promoting the newly releasedMageia 4 release to people instead at the stand	Mar 13 21:51
sebsebseb_	and now this event that's coming up on Saturdya, it seems I am doing Ubuntu and Mint, whilst mentioning Mageia a bit I guess as well	Mar 13 21:51
Sosumi	good	Mar 13 21:51
Sosumi	but I don't see the point in promoting gnome3	Mar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_	,ut would have liked toh ave done Mgaeia properly, andGNOME 3, but htey out voted that so	Mar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: MinceR and also my point is, i people from my other gorup uhmmm may go to Magiea or something once I Talkd properly about that :)	Mar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_	some of htem	Mar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_	or might htink, oh that's interesitng, I want to know more	Mar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_	,but if htey go to event hten uhmm, they may go to opensuse or something	Mar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_	depends	Mar 13 21:52
Sosumi	https://twitter.com/Steiner1776/status/444200251713683456	Mar 13 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Steiner1776: #Ukraine #Donetsk Seems like the #Euromaidan #Nazi forces received a heavy beating tonight in #Donetsk http://t.co/1mQ7qiP4u8 via @blacbloc		Mar 13 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@euromaidan: Донецкое побоище сегодня. http://t.co/3HmYCw7LmN		Mar 13 21:53
sebsebseb_	anywayreally it's there event not mine, I Just decided to help out a bit in other ways anyway, since there woudn't hav been another event	Mar 13 21:54
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: MinceR and the re master idea uhmm right, ok used for dmoeing mainly, but better people learn how to start using offical ISO for a distro really :) if going to use	Mar 13 21:54
Sosumi	I'm going to bed	Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: oh only 10pm though?	Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_	a bit early	Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_	?	Mar 13 21:56
Sosumi	sebsebseb, good luck at the event	Mar 13 21:56
Sosumi	I leave home at 6:40	Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_	oh	Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_	in the morning	Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_	ok fair enough then	Mar 13 21:56
Sosumi	go to the gym, classes at 9	Mar 13 21:57
Sosumi	at home by 13:30	Mar 13 21:57
Sosumi	then study do some work	Mar 13 21:57
Sosumi	gn	Mar 13 21:57
cubezzz	I'm seeing a lot of ntp shenanigans these days	Mar 13 22:03
cubezzz	sebsebseb, didn't mageia have a KDE 3.5 version?	Mar 13 22:04
cubezzz	simplymageia or something	Mar 13 22:04
sebsebseb_	cubezzz: nope	Mar 13 22:11
sebsebseb_	don't think so	Mar 13 22:11
sebsebseb_	nope	Mar 13 22:11
sebsebseb_	it supports KDE 4 and not 3	Mar 13 22:11
sebsebseb_	cubezzz: ntp shenagisns oh what you mean?	Mar 13 22:12
cubezzz	http://thehackernews.com/2014/02/NTP-Distributed-Denial-of-Service-DDoS-attack.html	Mar 13 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com \| Largest Ever 400Gbps DDoS attack hits Europe uses NTP Amplification - The Hacker News [ http://ur1.ca/gujvx ]		Mar 13 22:14
cubezzz	sebsebseb, yeah there was something called "simplymageia" but it seems to have disappeared	Mar 13 22:15
cubezzz	maybe it's old	Mar 13 22:15
sebsebseb_	that's not offical whatever that is	Mar 13 22:15
sebsebseb_	I think	Mar 13 22:15
MinceR	gn	Mar 13 22:16
DaemonFC	schestowitz__: We should call on the CyanogenMod maintainers to oust libsamsung-ipc and replace it with the library from Replicant.	Mar 13 22:44
DaemonFC	That would fix this particular backdoor without totally crippling the phone. :P	Mar 13 22:44
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DaemonFC	Watching Star Trek: First Contact on Blu Ray.	Mar 14 00:18
DaemonFC	Mom was pissed at me because she dragged us all to some chick flick in 1996, and I snuck into the theater that was playing Star Trek: First Contact instead. She didn't realize I wasn't in their theater until their movie was over.	Mar 14 00:18
DaemonFC	A Star Trek movie with Captain Picard and the Borg most definitely beats the crap out of whatever it was we were there to see, I'm sure.	Mar 14 00:18
DaemonFC	I watched Gravity a few nights ago. That movie sucked. It was obviously meant for big screen 3d eye candy, except that I don't have a 3dtv, so I just got to watch Sandra Bullock get tossed around in space for two hours. Blagggh. At least George Clooney died.	Mar 14 00:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support	Mar 14 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jxoI8prRSf	Mar 14 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gumj0	Mar 14 07:26
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444384473300606976 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444384540719869952	Mar 14 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support http://t.co/Q8Pl2eVgZY #games #gnu #linux		Mar 14 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com \| GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support \| Muktware		Mar 14 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.13 http://t.co/OO0rflWbah #kde #gnu #linux #kde4		Mar 14 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> dot.kde.org \| KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.13 \| KDE.news		Mar 14 08:09
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MinceR	geekings	Mar 14 09:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and	Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	Platform 4.13 http://t.co/Kn83MjILiA	Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gunmo	Mar 14 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.13 \| Tux Machines		Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@xusaxii @tuxmachines http://t.co/q2Afb3t2rN #Yavup	Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gunmp	Mar 14 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-301 redirect without Location header		Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve fires another shot in its war against	Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	Windows gaming dominance http://t.co/iBEY37tWTH	Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gunmr	Mar 14 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Valve fires another shot in its war against Windows gaming dominance \| Tux Machines		Mar 14 10:06
schestowitz__	> I think the problem started after I posted one of the YouTube videos. The only problem is I have tried all methods and URLs to try to gain access and/or edit the weblog, but I cannot connect.	Mar 14 10:10
schestowitz__	"Mark Zuckerberg Says The US Has Become A Threat To, Rather Than A	Mar 14 10:21
schestowitz__	Champion For, The Internet"	Mar 14 10:21
schestowitz__	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140313/13450726570/mark-zuckerberg-says-us-has-become-threat-to-rather-than-champion-internet.shtml	Mar 14 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com \| Mark Zuckerberg Says The US Has Become A Threat To, Rather Than A Champion For, The Internet \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/gunq2 ]		Mar 14 10:21
schestowitz__	And then there is Facebook itself...	Mar 14 10:21
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755538	Mar 14 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYyNzU #ubuntu #gnu #linux		Mar 14 10:28
schestowitz__	"Well... as much as I'm not a fan of the idea of Mir, it's got to be an improvement. I've often found screencapturing solutions could be a bit of a nightmare under Linux and particularly Ubuntu."	Mar 14 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes [ http://ur1.ca/gunro ]		Mar 14 10:28
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112	Mar 14 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?		Mar 14 10:28
schestowitz__	"I stopped watching local television long time ago, it's simply not worth the time. And about getting news that are true, accurate and fair, from only one source, and in your own language, I think that's a pipe dream. I live in a banana republic, but I don't think US television and news are better. Maybe European tv, but I don't know."	Mar 14 10:28
schestowitz__	Europe has too many languages	Mar 14 10:29
schestowitz__	off to Birmingham for the day, back late at night...	Mar 14 10:34
Sosumi	http://www.gerhard-wisnewski.de/Multilingual/english/-New-Ukraine-leader-is-an-agent-of-NATO.html	Mar 14 11:22
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Sosumi	I had said it before	Mar 14 11:23
Sosumi	main objective of taking ukraine was for the missile shield	Mar 14 11:23
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-14/krimea-kerry-caption-contest	Mar 14 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| "Krimea Kerry" Caption Contest \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/guok2 ]		Mar 14 13:12
Sosumi	Long Face Lavrov	Mar 14 13:12
Sosumi	and Ftard Kerry	Mar 14 13:14
Sosumi	ftard ketshup kerry	Mar 14 13:14
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MinceR	http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/216489-1/Cork-pulled-guns-Texas.gif	Mar 14 14:29
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_Goblin	Quiet day?	Mar 14 15:16
MinceR	hay	Mar 14 15:59
_Goblin	:)	Mar 14 16:09
_Goblin	or....	Mar 14 16:09
_Goblin	Bonjour	Mar 14 16:09
_Goblin	BTW - Promote to channel - Peppermint 4 - excellent distro...	Mar 14 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Peppermint 4 - Turns a netbook into a	Mar 14 16:12
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook http://t.co/NEdotSeul0	Mar 14 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gupw6	Mar 14 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Peppermint 4 - Turns a netbook into a Chromebook \| Tux Machines		Mar 14 16:13
_Goblin	I'd say it goes far further than a chromebook	Mar 14 16:19
_Goblin	its merely a bare bones linux distro that defaults to the cloud services mostly but allows the scope of a "normal" linux distro	Mar 14 16:19
Sosumi	it's friday	Mar 14 16:33
Sosumi	meanwhile, long face lavrov's speech about crimea	Mar 14 16:37
Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MicqZRnAkOg	Mar 14 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Lavrov: If Kosovo is a special case then Crimea is also - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/guq2d ]		Mar 14 16:37
Sosumi	still waiting something from ketchup kerry	Mar 14 16:38
Sosumi	ketchup kerry: if there is referendum, ofc there will be sanctions	Mar 14 16:57
Sosumi	to whom?	Mar 14 16:57
Sosumi	russia or crimea?	Mar 14 16:57
MinceR	that is not decided yet	Mar 14 16:57
MinceR	but there will be sanctions!	Mar 14 16:57
_Goblin	lol...sanctions....	Mar 14 17:01
_Goblin	what sanctions ? The UK is impotent and needs Russia far more.	Mar 14 17:02
MinceR	what does the uk need russia for?	Mar 14 17:02
_Goblin	Trade...how much investment by the Russians? Much I think...	Mar 14 17:02
_Goblin	also	Mar 14 17:02
_Goblin	fuel	Mar 14 17:02
MinceR	ic	Mar 14 17:02
_Goblin	and keep in mind, its very easy for the US to jump up and down, but what on Earth can they do?	Mar 14 17:03
_Goblin	The US wouldn't dare take on Russia...as it only goes after softer targets	Mar 14 17:03
_Goblin	the UK is a joke....and in anycase is what Russia doing any different from the US and UK in their pasts?	Mar 14 17:03
MinceR	dunno, maybe they and their allies could stop trading with russia, but then much of europe would need to find some other place to get gas from	Mar 14 17:04
_Goblin	The Premier league in the UK is owned by the Russians...sort of.	Mar 14 17:04
_Goblin	Russia holds all the cards in my opinion and I think its rather hypocritical that the UK / US would try to tackle them over something which we have been "guilty" of ourselves.	Mar 14 17:05
_Goblin	The UK is irrelevant in Europe and whilst is the lapdog of its bigger more powerful brother the US, the US won't dare stick their neck too far over the line....	Mar 14 17:06
_Goblin	I think Syria was a good indicator of the "bottle" the US and UK have when it comes to Russia....none at all.	Mar 14 17:07
_Goblin	and rightfully so....Russia is doing exactly what the US/UK would have/have done.	Mar 14 17:07
_Goblin	I'm also done with western "morals" of government, where lives of Palastinian children don't seem to be worth as much as those of Israel.....Both our governments are a disgrace.	Mar 14 17:09
_Goblin	* Palestinian	Mar 14 17:10
MinceR	afaik the us and uk stopped doing this sort of thing long ago	Mar 14 17:21
MinceR	afaik changing borders is kind of a no-no nowadays :>	Mar 14 17:21
MinceR	_Goblin: of course, if the US, UK and allies can't find a way to punish Russia, then it will really be... "Crimea River." :>	Mar 14 17:34
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MinceR	https://ribanc.com/files/1897837_754876501202804_2061845895_n.jpg	Mar 14 17:47
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_Goblin	MinceR, But who claimed it a "no-no"? the very same people who have done just that...The argument they used to bring to the table was "stablity."	Mar 14 17:52
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFC	RepubliCritter uses cocaine.	Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFC	Checks himself into rehab for a few weeks.	Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFC	Continues collecting his Critter Paycheck.	Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFC	Goes back to being a Critter.	Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFC	Now, you try using cocaine and see what happens...	Mar 14 17:53
_Goblin	I'd rather not try cocaine	Mar 14 17:57
Sosumi	catnip > everything else	Mar 14 18:25
Sosumi	even Obozo does it	Mar 14 18:36
Sosumi	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcb7hjTUd81r3rmc8o5_r1_1280.jpg	Mar 14 18:36
Sosumi	http://roman-n.livejournal.com/5840448.html	Mar 14 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-roman-n.livejournal.com \| N - Correspondence of US Army Attache Assistant in Kiev [ http://ur1.ca/guqr0 ]		Mar 14 18:40
Sosumi	http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/21990429/russia-says-intercepted-us-drone-over-crimea-arms-group/	Mar 14 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-au.news.yahoo.com \| Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group - Yahoo!7 [ http://ur1.ca/guqrj ]		Mar 14 18:42
MinceR	_Goblin: just what and when?	Mar 14 19:42
_Goblin	If we look at here and now, they do it by proxy...and rather than extend borders they claim "liberation".	Mar 14 19:50
_Goblin	proxy example would be Israel.	Mar 14 19:50
_Goblin	however by "liberation" the designated place becomes extension of "liberating" government.	Mar 14 19:52
_Goblin	and what of the Falklands?	Mar 14 19:52
_Goblin	The power here is all about alliances, so in the case of Russia not only is there Russian might which frightens USA and UK, its the alliance with China.	Mar 14 19:53
_Goblin	Gibraltar....we don't give that back, do we?	Mar 14 19:53
_Goblin	and then by proxy give land away and extend our borders by a proxy (Israel)	Mar 14 19:54
_Goblin	but it doesnt matter because the plight of the Palestine won't be reported by Western media because of the allies in Israel.	Mar 14 19:55
_Goblin	I should quantify that comment though by saying that its no fault of the Israel people. This is government v government.	Mar 14 19:56
_Goblin	As is sadly the case around the world...its our governments bickering and acting appallingly....not the people.	Mar 14 19:56
MinceR	ic	Mar 14 19:59
MinceR	but those all happened a long time ago, didn't it?	Mar 14 20:00
MinceR	depending on whether what israel is doing now is by their own intent or usa's	Mar 14 20:00
_Goblin	And the west has its "no-no's" for people doing the same thing....because the west is the bastion of world morals and everyone else is comply with their vision of what is right and wrong.	Mar 14 20:01
_Goblin	Until it backfired, look at history of Russia (forgetting the actual cold war)	Mar 14 20:01
Sosumi	if the crimeans want to be part of the russia	Mar 14 20:01
MinceR	or because the Long Peace rests on them :>	Mar 14 20:01
Sosumi	what can the US do?	Mar 14 20:01
_Goblin	the US were so scared they assisted a certain group in afghanistan to fight the Russians.	Mar 14 20:02
Sosumi	indeed	Mar 14 20:02
_Goblin	They even made a film about it....Rambo 3	Mar 14 20:02
Sosumi	a propaganda movie called rambo 34	Mar 14 20:02
_Goblin	it was all glory then, whilst the rebels fought on approval of the US...then it went a little sour when the "rebels" realized the exact price for being a proxy of the US	Mar 14 20:02
MinceR	is that rule 34 of rambo?	Mar 14 20:03
Sosumi	which had on its credits a dedication to the brave mujahadee aka alqaeda	Mar 14 20:03
MinceR	:>	Mar 14 20:03
_Goblin	:)	Mar 14 20:03
Sosumi	no idea, I just tend to find those movies boring and dumb	Mar 14 20:03
MinceR	at least those are proxy wars	Mar 14 20:03
_Goblin	They are very factual...	Mar 14 20:03
MinceR	the one in ukraine is a direct one	Mar 14 20:04
_Goblin	not in a realistic way of course	Mar 14 20:04
_Goblin	but Rambo et al, portray what it is the US wants people to believe and what they fear the most	Mar 14 20:04
Sosumi	the only factual movie that I could remember was Wag the Dog	Mar 14 20:04
_Goblin	and the same in the UK.....	Mar 14 20:04
_Goblin	its not a conspiracy, because in the case of films, the film makers pander to the current affairs and whats reported in the media.....	Mar 14 20:05
_Goblin	no better time to sell an "Invasion" movie, when Russia is out of favour with you.	Mar 14 20:05
Sosumi	propaganda I tell you	Mar 14 20:06
MinceR	also good time to sell weapons :>	Mar 14 20:06
Sosumi	indeed	Mar 14 20:06
_Goblin	Yes, but the movie industry isnt instructed to produce it, they are merely making money off the back of it	Mar 14 20:06
Sosumi	and ammo	Mar 14 20:06
MinceR	and UAVs	Mar 14 20:06
_Goblin	this all comes back to the US and China...	Mar 14 20:07
Sosumi	I though that the CIA had finger in holywood	Mar 14 20:07
Sosumi	*thought	Mar 14 20:07
_Goblin	they have in the media for a long time...	Mar 14 20:07
MinceR	they might	Mar 14 20:07
_Goblin	Area 51 for example.	Mar 14 20:07
MinceR	but some things might be explained without them :>	Mar 14 20:07
_Goblin	theres no aliens there though.	Mar 14 20:07
_Goblin	Area 51 was a propaganda tool created for the Chinese to believe the US had aliens in hangers that they could unleash if China's world ambitions included the US	Mar 14 20:08
_Goblin	there never was an aliens, but the beauty of a government denial and a few sci fi movies was that the simple people believed more and more in a "conspiracy" and did the propaganda job for the government.	Mar 14 20:09
_Goblin	the more the government denied, the more people thought they were covering up....it was actually a very clever "conspiracy"	Mar 14 20:10
_Goblin	Notice of late the "Captain America" type movies getting released...this is not something the government has instructed but it is the film companies capitalizing on peoples patriotism and desire to see the "western morals" served on a poor populas who know no better.....a feel good movie about world domination if you wish....	Mar 14 20:12
_Goblin	Its very similar to a Microsoft view of "Do it our way or not at all"	Mar 14 20:15
MinceR	the same could be said about russian foreign policy as well	Mar 14 20:17
_Goblin	Very true....but can you blame them?	Mar 14 20:21
_Goblin	a liberal superpower becomes the lapdog of others nations wyms.	Mar 14 20:21
_Goblin	theres no us and them....this is governments fighting governments....a few people in power.	Mar 14 20:22
_Goblin	for example, if you met a Russian in a bar, you wouldn't have an overwhelming desire to sanction them by refusing to serve or speak to them, if they were a decent bloke you'd have a chat and a drink....	Mar 14 20:23
_Goblin	and its this ethos which you extend to all the nations in the world, you realize that its merely people in power having ego battles with each other.	Mar 14 20:24
_Goblin	they don't get their hands dirty in war, its all dinners, numbers of troops and battles.... like a game of Risk or Command and Conquer...with the winner getting the biggest ego and remembered in history	Mar 14 20:25
MinceR	well, you can't fault every single citizen for everything their government does anyway	Mar 14 20:25
_Goblin	completely agree.	Mar 14 20:25
_Goblin	as I say this is not about "people" its all about governments.	Mar 14 20:26
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx8N30LGWZY56P	Mar 14 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: `Act of piracy' behind Malaysian flight disappearance, US official says [ http://ur1.ca/gurgf ]		Mar 14 21:00
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 14 21:00
DaemonFC	Oh no. Who knew that unlicensed copying of copyrighted materials could bring down an entire Boeing Dreamliner.	Mar 14 21:00
DaemonFC	Mea Maxima Culpa!	Mar 14 21:00
DaemonFC	;)	Mar 14 21:00
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_Goblin	Hi Gordon...	Mar 14 21:10
_Goblin	not watching the Celtic match?	Mar 14 21:10
ThistleWeb	no	Mar 14 21:10
ThistleWeb	bugcast is about to start	Mar 14 21:10
_Goblin	ah...	Mar 14 21:11
Sosumi	Gordon Freeman? is that you?	Mar 14 21:11
ThistleWeb	the wee free men?	Mar 14 21:12
Sosumi	:)	Mar 14 21:12
ThistleWeb	sorry, I find it hard to ignore openings for Discworld references	Mar 14 21:12
Sosumi	that was a half life reference	Mar 14 21:13
ThistleWeb	oh, never played it	Mar 14 21:13
Sosumi	neither did I	Mar 14 21:14
Sosumi	but the series have quite leached out a couple of popular memes	Mar 14 21:14
_Goblin	Sosumi....not Freeman, its Gordon Brown....ex-labour leader....	Mar 14 21:16
Sosumi	strange	Mar 14 21:16
Sosumi	I thought Gordon Brown was a pole dancer	Mar 14 21:16
_Goblin	He only does that on weekends	Mar 14 21:17
Sosumi	I see	Mar 14 21:17
_Goblin	and sometimes a monday	Mar 14 21:17
Sosumi	:)	Mar 14 21:17
_Goblin	and on webcam for 40p a minute	Mar 14 21:17
_Goblin	He's obviously with the bugcast now or he'd be making remarks now.	Mar 14 21:18
Sosumi	bugcast?	Mar 14 21:18
Sosumi	is it a slang for comcast?	Mar 14 21:18
_Goblin	I assume he is referring to this podcast http://thebugcast.org/tag/linux-outlaws/	Mar 14 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thebugcast.org \| Linux Outlaws - The Bugcast		Mar 14 21:19
Sosumi	I see	Mar 14 21:19
_Goblin	I assume....don't have much time for pod/audio casts these days	Mar 14 21:19
_Goblin	I occasionally tune into Roy's - I liked his RMS stuff	Mar 14 21:20
ThistleWeb	thebugcast.org	Mar 14 21:20
ThistleWeb	it's live streaming now	Mar 14 21:21
Sosumi	usually, talkradio puts me to sleep	Mar 14 21:21
_Goblin	I'm very much into my talk radio (Talksport and LBC)	Mar 14 21:21
Sosumi	unless it is something really interesting and new	Mar 14 21:21
ThistleWeb	it's 8 creative commons music tunes from a variety of styles, with a lil bit of chat between every two	Mar 14 21:22
MinceR	220041 < DaemonFC> Oh no. Who knew that unlicensed copying of copyrighted materials could bring down an entire Boeing Dreamliner.	Mar 14 21:23
MinceR	lol	Mar 14 21:23
MinceR	http://www.gdargaud.net/Humor/QuotesComputer.html	Mar 14 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gdargaud.net \| Computer Quotes [ http://ur1.ca/gurnv ]		Mar 14 21:44
_Goblin	Does anyone know whatever happened to Brandon Lozza? - I know I've been away from this group for a while but I'd love to know.... a quick google brings up his stuff that I already know.... Did he ever find his underground neanderthals? Did he ever release his Linux distro?	Mar 14 21:57
Sosumi	"Blink your eyelids periodically to lubricate your eyes." — Page 16 of the HP "Environmental, Health Safety Handbook for Employees".	Mar 14 21:58
Sosumi	lawl	Mar 14 21:58
_Goblin	And maybe the most important question of all.... Did he ever get a job as a Brian Clough look a like?	Mar 14 21:58
_Goblin	Sosumi - Ah.... That's where Ive been going wrong all these years.....I just used to throw water into my face every minute or so.	Mar 14 21:59
Sosumi	water has contaminants (pipping) and residual products from treatment	Mar 14 22:00
Sosumi	hardly the ideal thing to trow at the eyes	Mar 14 22:00
_Goblin	I don't know...does wonders for the complexion	Mar 14 22:01
_Goblin	and I use Evian	Mar 14 22:01
Sosumi	no idea of what that is	Mar 14 22:02
Sosumi	but usually sodium chlorine is enough	Mar 14 22:02
Sosumi	to wash the eyes	Mar 14 22:02
_Goblin	Its bottled mineral water from some mountain or other.	Mar 14 22:02
_Goblin	Melted Ice from Europa....thats what I can use....	Mar 14 22:03
Sosumi	ha ok	Mar 14 22:03
_Goblin	contains high levels of chlorine....but its filtered through the depths of deep space and matured at sub zero temperatures in orbit around Jupiter	Mar 14 22:04
_Goblin	Quote "Europa's surface temperature at the equator never rises above minus 260 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 160 degrees Celsius). At the poles of the moon, the temperature never rises above minus 370 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 220 degrees Celsius)." - Now hows that for pure and free of contaminents?	Mar 14 22:05
MinceR	doesn't say anything about it	Mar 14 22:06
MinceR	only temperature	Mar 14 22:06
_Goblin	You see much industry on Europa?	Mar 14 22:06
_Goblin	I know we have had a few conspiracy "people" in the past here......but even their theories don't stretch to industry on Europa....I hope.	Mar 14 22:07
_Goblin	And Europa is an excellent example of how to be environmentally friendly......if you don't have an environment in the first place, are many degrees below zero and orbit a massive gas giant whilst being bombarded by insterstella radiation, then you can't stuff up the environment.	Mar 14 22:09
_Goblin	fill your boots....burn all the fossels you want (if you can without oxygen)	Mar 14 22:09
_Goblin	suck the planet dry...nobody will notice.	Mar 14 22:10
_Goblin	Talking of conspiracy folk....if you google "David Icke" my G+ posting on him is the 5th result down......	Mar 14 22:15
cubezzz	ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA :)	Mar 14 22:15
_Goblin	And Uranus....you can have that one too	Mar 14 22:16
_Goblin	I made a minecraft monolith the other day out of black wool.....put it on a hill when the sun came up....looked rather good until my lad blew it up.	Mar 14 22:17
_Goblin	I've got a serious Minecraft problem....not helped by the fact its my lads favourite game.	Mar 14 22:18
MinceR	you can have poisons without industry	Mar 14 22:20
_Goblin	Stop spoiling my Europa branded mineral water....full of natural goodness.....there's nothing artificial in it.	Mar 14 22:20
MinceR	231627 <@_Goblin> And Uranus....you can have that one too	Mar 14 22:20
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cubezzz	I thought they renamed it to Urectum	Mar 14 22:20
_Goblin	lol.....	Mar 14 22:20
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MinceR	:>	Mar 14 22:20
_Goblin	Now....where can we go with the name of the moon Titan....	Mar 14 22:20
MinceR	:>	Mar 14 22:20
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_Goblin	nice moon that.....	Mar 14 22:20
_Goblin	home of Judge Dredd (I think - don't really watch that)	Mar 14 22:20
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_Goblin	but more importantly....	Mar 14 22:20
MinceR	i only saw the old judge dredd	Mar 14 22:20
Sosumi	just change it into an hieroglyph	Mar 14 22:20
_Goblin	home to the Grey Knights chapter........ Ordius Malaficous......or something like that...	Mar 14 22:20
_Goblin	Burn Heretic.......	Mar 14 22:21
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_Goblin	Has there ever been a sci-fi movie with Uranus in it?	Mar 14 22:21
_Goblin	can't think of one...	Mar 14 22:21
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_gIxTitMM	Mar 14 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| (HD) Judge Dredd - YOU BETRAYED THE LAW!!!! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gurtu ]		Mar 14 22:21
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_Goblin	Titan..... As we discussed.... Mars, thats obvious.... The moon....again been done.... Jupiter yep thats been done..... Pluto...yep again been done....but what about Uranus?	Mar 14 22:22
cubezzz	"IT Came from Uranus"	Mar 14 22:22
MinceR	they had it in animaniacs, iirc	Mar 14 22:22
Sosumi	in southern accent	Mar 14 22:23
_Goblin	I'm not talking about some dodgy porn....I mean a scifi film or similar... ;)	Mar 14 22:23
Sosumi	"it came from yr'anus"	Mar 14 22:23
MinceR	no, it was freakazoid	Mar 14 22:23
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMOeV5MLOvc	Mar 14 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Freakazoid Uranus best joke ever!! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gurtz ]		Mar 14 22:23
_Goblin	Just imagine, when we reach out further into space....there will be some poor soul in the future who will be labelled .... The first man (or woman) on Uranus.	Mar 14 22:24
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8eFFnJsCjs	Mar 14 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Animaniacs - Our Solar System singalong... - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gurub ]		Mar 14 22:24
MinceR	apparently animaniacs did it too	Mar 14 22:24
_Goblin	thats not something I'd want my name next to in the history books.	Mar 14 22:24
_Goblin	Quote: "Uranus is the seventh planet from the Sun. It has the third-largest planetary radius and fourth-largest planetary mass in the Solar System."	Mar 14 22:25
_Goblin	sounds like my first girlfriend.	Mar 14 22:25
MinceR	:>	Mar 14 22:26
_Goblin	One good thing about uranus...its got a moon which you can visit......	Mar 14 22:26
_Goblin	Titania....	Mar 14 22:26
MinceR	:D	Mar 14 22:26
cubezzz	there was a movie about Uranus but they kept it out of the Title: "Journey to the Seventh Planet"	Mar 14 22:27
_Goblin	lol	Mar 14 22:27
MinceR	i wonder why	Mar 14 22:27
cubezzz	:)	Mar 14 22:27
_Goblin	You must admit though I have a point.....would you want to be the first man on Uranus and be known as such for life?	Mar 14 22:27
_Goblin	you'd never live it down....	Mar 14 22:27
cubezzz	isn't it a gas planet though?	Mar 14 22:27
cubezzz	you can't really land on it	Mar 14 22:27
MinceR	i don't think i'd worry that much about a pun	Mar 14 22:28
cubezzz	Uranus is very gassy :)	Mar 14 22:28
cubezzz	ok, no more stupid jokes	Mar 14 22:28
_Goblin	I think you are right...	Mar 14 22:29
_Goblin	similar in composition to neptune	Mar 14 22:29
_Goblin	apparently	Mar 14 22:29
_Goblin	but its got alot of Ice....so maybe you could stand on that if you adopted a surfing type pose.	Mar 14 22:29
_Goblin	There we are so you couldn't land on it...merely pass through it...of sorts...	Mar 14 22:30
_Goblin	so you could be the first man to enter Uranus.........nope I'm still not liking that next to my name in the history books.	Mar 14 22:31
_Goblin	I'll go to Titania thanks	Mar 14 22:31
MinceR	you could be the first man to pass through uranus!	Mar 14 22:31
_Goblin	true....enter one end and come out the other.	Mar 14 22:31
_Goblin	and maybe stop off at Titania.	Mar 14 22:32
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_Goblin	Moving on... I've been using the media player Guyadeque.....never used it before..... very good.....	Mar 14 22:36
MinceR	can it shuffle its playlist?	Mar 14 22:36
_Goblin	yep...	Mar 14 22:36
MinceR	interesting... not many music players can do that :)	Mar 14 22:37
_Goblin	you mean shuffle as in randomize?	Mar 14 22:37
MinceR	i mean randomize the order of the songs	Mar 14 22:37
_Goblin	yep	Mar 14 22:37
_Goblin	it can do that...	Mar 14 22:38
MinceR	and then let the user change the order, choose where to start playing, etc.	Mar 14 22:38
_Goblin	let me just check....	Mar 14 22:38
MinceR	some of them will only be able to randomly walk through the playlist	Mar 14 22:38
MinceR	amaroK lets you enable random order but then it doesn't let you change the order	Mar 14 22:38
_Goblin	what ive just done:	Mar 14 22:38
MinceR	(i _think_ it was amaroK)	Mar 14 22:39
_Goblin	Randomized a playlist prior to playing....	Mar 14 22:39
_Goblin	moved around some of the tracks from the random order....	Mar 14 22:39
_Goblin	I can start anywhere in the playlist and it will go until the end	Mar 14 22:39
MinceR	nice	Mar 14 22:39
_Goblin	.....never needed that feature myself so I had to check...	Mar 14 22:39
MinceR	finally an alternative to xmms/bmp/audacious :>	Mar 14 22:39
MinceR	i use it often	Mar 14 22:39
_Goblin	only really listen to podcasts and a few audiobooks that I can't be bothered to read....	Mar 14 22:40
MinceR	throw in a lot of songs, randomize them, move the one i want to hear first to first place, start playing	Mar 14 22:40
_Goblin	yep it does that...	Mar 14 22:40
MinceR	maybe move some of them down to have them play again	Mar 14 22:40
_Goblin	http://guayadeque.org	Mar 14 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-guayadeque.org \| Home - Guayadeque Music Player		Mar 14 22:40
MinceR	choose one to play last and set it to stop when it finishes that track, leave it for later :>	Mar 14 22:40
MinceR	and then sometimes i drop in an entire album right after the current song	Mar 14 22:41
DaemonFC	http://www.getrichslick.com/wow-look-at-10-years-of-fast-food-price-inflation/	Mar 14 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.getrichslick.com \| WOW! Look at 10 Years of Fast Food Price Inflation! » Get Rich Slick [ http://ur1.ca/gus6n ]		Mar 14 23:38
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DaemonFC	He blames the Federal Reserve System for fast food prices averaging a 5-6% annual rate of inflation.	Mar 14 23:38
DaemonFC	If that's true, then why is inflation far less than that at the grocery store?	Mar 14 23:39
DaemonFC	It is true that people's wages are having a hard time beating overall inflation.	Mar 14 23:39
DaemonFC	Most people are working for less every year because inflation will be 2-3% and they might get a 1% raise.	Mar 14 23:39
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DaemonFC	mmmm, prune juice	Mar 15 00:26
DaemonFC	A warrior's drink!	Mar 15 00:26
MinceR	which warrior's?	Mar 15 00:31
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MinceR	gn	Mar 15 01:25
DaemonFC	Somehow, I'd bet that the people that have a problem with gay marriage are drinking Natural Ice.	Mar 15 01:50
DaemonFC	Hope you're heading back to a trailer, you redneck, enjoy the next NASCAR event.	Mar 15 01:50
DaemonFC	(OK, I got the second sentence from Jim Gaffigan. Sue me.)	Mar 15 01:50
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFC	Well, the right-wing whackadoodles go apeshit whenever a cable company picks up any news channel that doesn't have "Fox" in the name.	Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFC	I'd love to see them pick up more news channels if only for that reason.	Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFC	I don't subscribe to cable, though, because it's a waste of money. I ditched it years ago when I realized I was paying over $120 a month just for the cable TV and I was down to two shows that I could stream anyway.	Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFC	30 years ago, your cable bill was less than $40 a month, there were no "boxes" to rent, and you got the movie channels with that. Now you pay three times that, there's never anything good on, and the cost goes up every year at 5-6 times the general rate of inflation.	Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFC	In Comcast's case, they're basically using the money to finance political graft and give $10 internet connections to everyone with a child on free or reduced price school lunches. Really? People with kids on reduced price lunches aren't necessarily even what you'd call poor. Your household can be up to 185% of the FPL for the reduced price lunch program. For a family of four, that is over $44,000 a year. The biggest reason to sign up for it is so	Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFC	you can get Comcast cable internet and make me pay for it.	Mar 15 02:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines TARBALLS DUE: GNOME 3.11.92 release candidate +	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	HARD CODE FREEZE http://t.co/E6pLufWdCZ	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gusx0	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NASA’s R2 bot to receive legs via SpaceX	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d0tECgmm6O	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gusx2	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 8 Makes Learning Linfastic	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/J4NfdT36QQ	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gusx3	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu’s Mir display server may not be default	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	on desktop until 2016 http://t.co/t69NrckBuR	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gusx4	Mar 15 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| TARBALLS DUE: GNOME 3.11.92 release candidate + HARD CODE FREEZE \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What Operating Systems Do You Use?	Mar 15 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ciu6dmXDpQ	Mar 15 02:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu’s Mir display server may not be default on desktop until 2016 \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| What Operating Systems Do You Use? \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 02:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mark Shuttleworth calls Ubuntu Touch apps	Mar 15 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	better than Windows http://t.co/FVOtON54XT	Mar 15 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gutfe	Mar 15 04:21
*TweetTuxMachines @fhsales favourited 'Mark Shuttleworth calls Ubuntu Touch apps better than...'		Mar 15 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mark Shuttleworth calls Ubuntu Touch apps better than Windows \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 3 easy Linux alternatives for Windows XP	Mar 15 04:39
TweetTuxMachines	refugees who don't want a new PC	Mar 15 04:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EAnP2O605l	Mar 15 04:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gutii	Mar 15 04:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Desktop Effects Control Module in KWin5	Mar 15 04:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/T6Sfcld8bs	Mar 15 04:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gutij	Mar 15 04:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux mini-PC and JavaScript speed IoT	Mar 15 04:39
TweetTuxMachines	development http://t.co/VvzJII9mab	Mar 15 04:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gutik	Mar 15 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 3 easy Linux alternatives for Windows XP refugees who don't want a new PC \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 04:39
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DaemonFC	https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1779037_897833530246101_866770540_n.jpg	Mar 15 06:08
DaemonFC	MinceR would appreciate that.	Mar 15 06:08
DaemonFC	https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1922462_10151871491011324_1162849945_n.jpg	Mar 15 06:09
DaemonFC	LOL	Mar 15 06:09
DaemonFC	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/03/14/2225220/mozilla-scraps-firefox-for-windows-8-citing-low-adoption-of-metro	Mar 15 06:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian Developers Are Preparing an LTS Version	Mar 15 08:49
TweetTuxMachines	for "Wheezy" http://t.co/lMLKhD2KNe	Mar 15 08:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS Cubed, "Fresh" LibreOffice, and Year	Mar 15 08:49
TweetTuxMachines	of Linux http://t.co/PAJAufUVtc	Mar 15 08:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/guumz	Mar 15 08:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Zorin OS Cubed, "Fresh" LibreOffice, and Year of Linux \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 08:49
DaemonFC	https://threatpost.com/weak-random-number-generator-threatens-ios-7-kernel-exploit-mitigations/104757	Mar 15 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-threatpost.com \| Weak Early Random PRNG Threatens iOS 7 Kernel Mitigations \| Threatpost \| The first stop for security news [ http://ur1.ca/guuqo ]		Mar 15 09:06
Sosumi	http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_15/IBM-denies-sharing-customers-data-with-US-government-6865/	Mar 15 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com \| IBM denies sharing customers data with US government - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/guut4 ]		Mar 15 09:22
Sosumi	it's confirmed when officially denied	Mar 15 09:22
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=TxWTMH9WD0M774	Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The European Union has passed a new law requiring a universal cell phone charger standard. [ http://ur1.ca/guuwx ]		Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	http://techpp.com/2014/03/14/universal-phone-charger/	Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techpp.com \| Europe to Have One Charger for All Mobile Phones, Global Standard Next? [ http://ur1.ca/guuwz ]		Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	The vote was 550-12. OEMs will be required to support the new standard by 2017.	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	Perhaps next, they can force Apple to use standard file transport protocols with iThings, like Mass Storage Class so that freedom respecting software doesn't have to keep reverse engineering Apple's secret protocols.	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	Apple's iThings are a gigantic regression in most ways, but to not be able to manage your files with your operating system's file manager (unless you use GNU/Linux) is unacceptable.	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	Apple's Windows software is infamously bloated, horrendously insecure, and unwieldy to use. It installs unrelated shovelware and system services, and it has rendered Windows unable to boot on at least a couple of occasions.	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	Even Apple's own customers generally hate it.	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	Here's a good review of a recent version of iTunes for Windows.	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/11/itunes_11_it_s_time_for_apple_s_horrible_bloated_program_to_die.html	Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slate.com \| iTunes 11: It’s time for Apple’s horrible, bloated program to die. [ http://ur1.ca/bozg7 ]		Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	"Won't Someone Take iTunes Out Back and Shoot It?"	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	And another.	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	http://www.thewire.com/technology/2012/06/bloated-itunes-doesnt-look-apple-product-anymore/54008/	Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thewire.com \| Bloated iTunes Doesn't Look like an Apple Product Anymore - The Wire [ http://ur1.ca/guux0 ]		Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	"Bloated iTunes Doesn't Look like an Apple Product Anymore"	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	And another..	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	http://www.techhive.com/article/227349/10_apple_itunes_annoyances.html	Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techhive.com \| 10 Major Apple iTunes Annoyances \| TechHive [ http://ur1.ca/guux1 ]		Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	10 Major Apple iTunes Annoyances	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	And another one, from a magazine for Apple users..	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	http://www.macworld.com/article/1166274/itunes_time_to_right_the_syncing_ship.html	Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macworld.com \| iTunes: Time to right the syncing ship \| Macworld [ http://ur1.ca/8zn7w ]		Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	iTunes: Time to right the syncing ship	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	And an older one, from another Apple fansite.	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	http://www.cultofmac.com/32298/how-itunes-became-apples-ie6-and-what-it-can-do-about-it/	Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	"How iTunes Is Becoming Apple's Own Internet Explorer 6 (A Crappy, Bloated Mess)"	Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cultofmac.com \| How iTunes Is Becoming Apple’s Own Internet Explorer 6 (A Crappy, Bloated Mess) \| Cult of Mac [ http://ur1.ca/guux3 ]		Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx7V6ZW0NKJWBQ	Mar 15 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: A new report shows that Apple severely weakened system security in iOS 7. [ http://ur1.ca/guux7 ]		Mar 15 09:36
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 15 09:36
DaemonFC	https://threatpost.com/weak-random-number-generator-threatens-ios-7-kernel-exploit-mitigations/104757	Mar 15 09:36
DaemonFC	A security researcher at CanSecWest said that an attacker could easily brute force the early random PRNG used by Apple in order to bypass many of the kernel exploit protections in iOS.	Mar 15 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-threatpost.com \| Weak Early Random PRNG Threatens iOS 7 Kernel Mitigations \| Threatpost \| The first stop for security news [ http://ur1.ca/guuqo ]		Mar 15 09:36
DaemonFC	"The Early Random PRNG in iOS 7 is surprisingly weak," said Tarjei Mandt senior security researcher at Azimuth Security. "The one in iOS 6 is better because this one is deterministic and trivial to brute force. All the mitigations deployed by the iOS kernel essentially depend on the robustness of the Early Random PRNG," Mandt said. "It must provide sufficient entropy and non-predictable output."	Mar 15 09:36
DaemonFC	Could this be part of their collaboration with the NSA?	Mar 15 09:36
Sosumi	what makes you think that is the NSA?	Mar 15 10:26
Sosumi	why not the CIA	Mar 15 10:26
Sosumi	or DEA?	Mar 15 10:26
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Sosumi	also, if you cared about security, you would probably be using a nexus series phone with open source android	Mar 15 10:29
Sosumi	probably, modified to meet your requirements	Mar 15 10:29
Sosumi	or to a lesser extent, a blackberry phone	Mar 15 10:30
Sosumi	iphones are for ppl that like justin beaver and hannah montana	Mar 15 10:53
Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/mozilla-gives-up-on-metro-mode-firefox/	Mar 15 12:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Mozilla gives up on Metro mode Firefox \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/guvu7 ]		Mar 15 12:38
Sosumi	well captain obvious for mozilla to see that there's no user interest in metro	Mar 15 12:39
Sosumi	metro is trash, even less functional than crapple's dashboard	Mar 15 12:40
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MinceR	there's also no sense in running Gecko on top of IE	Mar 15 13:23
Sosumi	so, third party browsers running on the metro framework need to run on top of IE»	Mar 15 13:29
Sosumi	?	Mar 15 13:29
MinceR	iirc the entire metro ui runs on top of ie	Mar 15 13:32
Sosumi	LOLOLOL	Mar 15 13:32
Sosumi	fail	Mar 15 13:32
MinceR	indeed	Mar 15 13:33
MinceR	but business as usual for msft	Mar 15 13:33
Sosumi	you mean crashing? and dumb implementation	Mar 15 13:33
Sosumi	that is the business model of m$	Mar 15 13:33
Sosumi	making sure you always return to them for help	Mar 15 13:33
MinceR	also, braindead "design"	Mar 15 13:36
MinceR	forcing their crap in everywhere	Mar 15 13:36
Sosumi	yep	Mar 15 13:36
MinceR	("nobody wants to use IE? fine, we'll build it into the OS!" ... "still nobody wants to use IE? fine, we'll build it into the UI and ban the desktop!")	Mar 15 13:37
Sosumi	:)	Mar 15 13:37
MinceR	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/03/russia-blocks-access-major-independent-news-sites	Mar 15 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org \| Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites \| Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/gukbz ]		Mar 15 13:57
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Sosumi	http://asmarterplanet.com/blog/2014/03/open-letter-data.html	Mar 15 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-asmarterplanet.com \| A Letter to Our Clients About Government Access to Data A Smarter Planet Blog [ http://ur1.ca/guwn1 ]		Mar 15 15:41
Sosumi	IBM's apology letter	Mar 15 15:42
Sosumi	also USS Truxton to carry on with exercises at black sea	Mar 15 15:44
Sosumi	here's a picture of it	Mar 15 15:45
Sosumi	http://mlb-s2-p.mlstatic.com/fita-truxton-tectoy-sega-mega-drive-tec-toy-original-11279-MLB20041031015_012014-O.jpg	Mar 15 15:45
Sosumi	crimea referendum results to be disclosed at 17th	Mar 15 15:45
Sosumi	and so far lazy saturday	Mar 15 15:45
cubezzz	USS Truxtun :)	Mar 15 16:36
cubezzz	not spelled the same as the Sega Genesis game	Mar 15 16:36
cubezzz	USS Truxton 6.0 :)	Mar 15 16:40
Sosumi	:)	Mar 15 17:01
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-15/heres-what-richest-man-world-thinks-about-snowden-and-nsa-surveillance	Mar 15 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| Here's What The Richest Man In The World Thinks About Snowden And NSA Surveillance \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gux22 ]		Mar 15 17:03
Sosumi	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK6SS8CXYZo	Mar 15 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Bill Gates Pie in Face - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gux25 ]		Mar 15 17:04
cubezzz	Gates is just a huge parasite	Mar 15 17:04
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt	Mar 15 17:05
cubezzz	my personal favourite:	Mar 15 17:05
Sosumi	well yes	Mar 15 17:05
cubezzz	"Stealing PDP-10 computer time from Computer Center Corp to write BASIC"	Mar 15 17:06
cubezzz	that's how it all started	Mar 15 17:06
Sosumi	who else would dump m$ unix to develop its own standard, NT, to ensure that none of the programs would be compatible with other unix systems	Mar 15 17:07
Sosumi	was it xenix?	Mar 15 17:07
cubezzz	Xenix was derived from Unix v7, and yes it's a giant step backwards	Mar 15 17:07
cubezzz	instead of getting the source code for all device drivers, compilers, user programs you got binaries only	Mar 15 17:08
cubezzz	Microsoft didn't exactly dump Unix, but they corrupted it and closed it off	Mar 15 17:09
Sosumi	ho I wasn't looking at the the irc windows	Mar 15 17:09
Sosumi	I meant it as "who else but m$" in the sense of developing their own standard	Mar 15 17:10
Sosumi	and confine everything to their platform	Mar 15 17:10
cubezzz	Blame Cutler for that, he was a Unix hater	Mar 15 17:12
Sosumi	but it was M$ who hired him from dec	Mar 15 17:13
Sosumi	and NT is hardly, really, hardly a VMS replacement	Mar 15 17:13
Sosumi	and talking of vms	Mar 15 17:14
Sosumi	hp would do great if they ported openvms to x86	Mar 15 17:14
Sosumi	instead of having it confined to the now dead itanium	Mar 15 17:14
cubezzz	as much as I liked DEC I can't get too excited about OpenVMS	Mar 15 17:18
cubezzz	it's in the same category as Ultrix, VM/SP, and other closed source OSes	Mar 15 17:19
cubezzz	and OpenVMS had bugs, just like everything else	Mar 15 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenBSD replacing Apache web server with nginx	Mar 15 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BRqqnEX0Jt	Mar 15 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gux7l	Mar 15 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines South Tyrol to increase use of free software	Mar 15 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xFHJiBBw38	Mar 15 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gux7m	Mar 15 17:27
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cubezzz	if I want to play around with something different, I'll run Haiku or Plan 9	Mar 15 17:29
cubezzz	also Unix was better than OpenVMS in several ways	Mar 15 17:31
cubezzz	more open, a lot cheaper and more responsive	Mar 15 17:32
MinceR	geekings	Mar 15 17:34
MinceR	vms is baroque	Mar 15 17:34
MinceR	nt, even more so	Mar 15 17:34
cubezzz	the old IBM OSes are worth a look	Mar 15 17:35
cubezzz	pre-VM/SP, they were basically open source	Mar 15 17:36
cubezzz	stuff like OS/360-MVT, or VM/370	Mar 15 17:37
cubezzz	on the DEC side I think the source for RT-11 is kicking around	Mar 15 17:38
cubezzz	in a way, things could have turned out better than they did	Mar 15 17:44
cubezzz	high schools should have got unix source code, but in the old days PDPs were just too expensive	Mar 15 17:45
Sosumi	I see	Mar 15 18:19
Sosumi	but I meant it into a way of pressuring ibm and red hat	Mar 15 18:20
Sosumi	with another OS readily available	Mar 15 18:20
Sosumi	instead of one that at the moment seems dead	Mar 15 18:21
Sosumi	also, does't the german stock exchange use openvms?	Mar 15 18:21
Sosumi	no idea about the german	Mar 15 18:22
Sosumi	but the koreans are using it	Mar 15 18:22
Sosumi	and so do the australians	Mar 15 18:22
cubezzz	IBM has z/OS and Linux for their mainframes	Mar 15 18:24
Sosumi	and AIX	Mar 15 18:25
cubezzz	not everyone is going to want the source code for a given OS, some don't care	Mar 15 18:25
cubezzz	personally, I want source code :)	Mar 15 18:25
cubezzz	with enough $$$ you can probably get the OpenVMS source	Mar 15 18:26
Sosumi	I have no use for vms	Mar 15 18:26
Sosumi	but keeping it as a competitor	Mar 15 18:26
Sosumi	would probably be better in the long run	Mar 15 18:27
cubezzz	outside of my own personal philosophy, as long as different operating systems can interoperate using open standards, it's not overly-critical which operating system they use	Mar 15 18:34
Sosumi	yes	Mar 15 18:36
Sosumi	that is true	Mar 15 18:36
cubezzz	I think that most OSes have accumulated a lot of cruft over time, and there's nothing really universal or elegant that's modern	Mar 15 18:36
cubezzz	if someone really wanted to, they can go back to the original engineering diagrams of a PDP-11/45 (a common Unix box) and learn everything about it	Mar 15 18:51
cubezzz	there's no way for Microsoft or anyone else putting the Genie back in the bottle	Mar 15 18:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today is Hardware Freedom Day!	Mar 15 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Wc2olE3rOo	Mar 15 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/guymv	Mar 15 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today is Hardware Freedom Day! \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu,	Mar 15 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	compared and contrasted http://t.co/OLPaLMt7ZK	Mar 15 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/guymx	Mar 15 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu, compared and contrasted \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 21:29
_Goblin	What a good day I've had.......	Mar 15 21:47
_Goblin	I see it quiet in here again....what's happened?	Mar 15 21:47
_Goblin	used to be a hive of activity.....we've still got the numbers in users so wheres the convo?	Mar 15 21:47
Sosumi	studying...	Mar 15 21:49
Sosumi	that is for what weekends are for	Mar 15 21:50
cubezzz	MinceR, if you're still around...	Mar 15 21:52
cubezzz	modern mwm does use ICCC	Mar 15 21:52
MinceR	but not EWMH	Mar 15 21:59
MinceR	so you can't have another wm replace it	Mar 15 22:00
MinceR	and you can't use wmctrl with it	Mar 15 22:00
Sosumi	gn	Mar 15 22:02
cubezzz	interesting	Mar 15 22:38
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DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	Mar 09 01:29
DaemonFC	Someone noticed me posting on their forum and changed my member status to "Apple Basher". I told them, "thank you".	Mar 09 01:29
DaemonFC	Someone was talking to me about when I worked at Walmart.	Mar 09 01:31
DaemonFC	They reminded me of this annoying co-manager we had. They said "Didn't you just want to walk up and kick her in the cunt?".	Mar 09 01:32
DaemonFC	I said, "Well, she did brag about buying her son a new Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. About a week later, she came in, in a bad mood, and said her son was trying to drag race someone, peeled out from a stop sign, and ran the car into a tree. The insurance company ended up totaling the car. Isn't is just wonderful how some days turn out?"	Mar 09 01:33
DaemonFC	about a minute ago · Edited	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	Of course, whether there's spyware for iThings or not depends on that which we call spyware.	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	Most apps in Apple and Google's store are designed to mine your personal data and spy on you. The NSA even worked with Apple to install backdoors into iPhones and other Apple products at the hardware level.	Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFC	Both stores contain apps from car insurance companies that monitor your phone's GPS. Facebook's app is designed to copy your phone's SMS messages and send them to Facebook, which uses the data for advertising and god only knows what else.	Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFC	In general, I never install an app on my phone on my Android phone if there's a way to do the same thing on a web page through my Mozilla Firefox web browser.	Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFC	You'd be surprised at how many apps are just a portal to a website that gives some untrustworthy company additional powers over your phone, which they will use to steal your personal data.	Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFC	The iPhone also has an additional malicious feature which lets every store you enter track your movements and send you alerts that you might not want.	Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFC	There are a few grocery stores that wait until you get close to the Gillette shaving razors and send you a coupon for them. So, maybe you don't care if they know you like Gillette shaving razors, but they effectively know everything else too. How long you spend in the frozen food aisle next to the pizzas. If you're buying condoms and lube from the "personal aisle", etc. Maybe they'll sell all that to a health insurance company.	Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFC	Do you really want them to know this stuff?	Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFC	The only way to turn off this malicious iPhone feature is to disable bluetooth completely. Even then, it's proprietary, so who knows whether turning that feature off actually turned off their ability to track you, or just shuts off their ability to send you coupons and alerts?	Mar 09 01:54
msb_	Wire a switch in series with the battery, AND keep it in a metal (solid, mesh or foil) case.	Mar 09 02:16
msb_	The whole phone, not just the switch.	Mar 09 02:17
msb_	Or, run a network trace on the spies, and when it finds them, feed the coordinates to a drone with an HE warhead.	Mar 09 02:18
msb_	Should work for the criminal carpet cleaners, too.	Mar 09 02:19
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3735583	Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__	"When the left Ctrl and the C have worn off, it is a sign heavy linux command line. Like the keyboard I just replaced because it broke after a decade of use. I wonder how long it will take for the new keyboard to look that way."	Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3729683	Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__	"they are fascist only in Putin's propaganda. Comon, there are different people, some are more nationalistic, some less. changing the language law, was not a wise step, of course, but you know, I can understand that people. After all, nothing puts Russian in danger, but the same cannot be said about Ukrainian. But calling the new government nazis, is just what's on official Russian channels, and it's a lie."	Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3730019	Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__	"Appreciate the publicity, even if we did decide to leave photo editing to The Gimp about... 5 years ago? We're a professional digital sketching and painting tool, now."	Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3668930	Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__	"One small step towards world domination..."	Mar 09 05:19
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3735556	Mar 09 05:19
schestowitz__	"Or alternatively, "$ ./run-sketchy-script.sh", then notice it is deleting all our files, repeatedly press Ctrl+C and then spend the next few hours rebuilding the system."	Mar 09 05:19
msb_	I just blew the dust out of my computer while watching the temp sensors, and the two cores got about 5-8degC cooler!	Mar 09 05:25
msb_	Thanks to cpu heat sink with wide fin spacing. Not the one that came with the cpu. Much bigger fan. Cost about $25 and well worth it!	Mar 09 05:25
msb_	Gotta record the anime's on the Cartoon Network tonight. Mencoder uses most of the cpu making xvid.	Mar 09 05:25
msb_	I love Linux!	Mar 09 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve Asks Users to Disable SELinux to Play	Mar 09 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	Portal 2, Linux Community Reacts	Mar 09 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gH8LonAO3c	Mar 09 05:33
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msb_	"But calling the new government nazis, is just what's on official Russian channels, and it's a lie." -- Bullshit! It's also on lots of alternative investigative news sites.	Mar 09 05:38
msb_	...which I gave urls for a few days ago, and you reposted them, schestowitz__!	Mar 09 05:39
msb_	"Turner Radio Network" is a scam site started by Hal Turner, a Nazi provocteur found to be working for the US govt. NOT Ted Turner.	Mar 09 05:42
msb_	provocateur	Mar 09 05:43
msb_	Worse than "Sorcha Faal".	Mar 09 05:52
msb_	schestowitz__: Thanks for command line jpg!	Mar 09 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Spec Sheet: Toshiba and Samsung try to make	Mar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebooks mainstream http://t.co/IWUV83XouO	Mar 09 06:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RIT launches nation’s first minor in free and	Mar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	open source software and free culture	Mar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d7YD4xtvCg	Mar 09 06:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android's co-founder is spending Google's	Mar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	billions hunting for the next big thing	Mar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lnRsmFBYpl	Mar 09 06:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreedomPop's 'Snowden phone' encrypts your	Mar 09 06:57
TweetTuxMachines	calls and data http://t.co/Zh8jLYyswF	Mar 09 06:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sub-$400 CyanogenMod-powered smartphone details	Mar 09 06:57
TweetTuxMachines	emerge http://t.co/Fk2HGjf7k5	Mar 09 06:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linpus Lite 2.1 review http://t.co/I9FgC1qVFX	Mar 09 07:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What to expect in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Mar 09 07:39
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Sosumi	http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/09/353918/blackwater-members-in-ukraine/	Mar 09 10:44
Sosumi	‘Blackwater’ members in Ukraine’s Donetsk	Mar 09 10:44
MinceR	geekings	Mar 09 11:05
Sosumi	blackwater is kind of a reference to the black color fluids take on a corpse in decomposition	Mar 09 11:09
Sosumi	but they have changed their name twice already after the crap that went on in iraq	Mar 09 11:10
Sosumi	to Xe and now Academi	Mar 09 11:10
msb_	Academi??? What a total lie for a gang of murder-for-hire thugs!	Mar 09 12:09
Sosumi	it is true	Mar 09 12:42
Sosumi	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_%28company%29	Mar 09 12:42
Sosumi	the academi of death	Mar 09 12:44
Sosumi	http://mashable.com/2014/03/07/tablet-pc-chart/	Mar 09 13:25
Sosumi	Tablets expect to outsell PCs	Mar 09 13:25
Sosumi	*expected	Mar 09 13:25
Sosumi	M$ better do what I've been saying	Mar 09 13:25
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Sosumi	by turning their xbox into a limited pc that runs M$ software only	Mar 09 13:26
Sosumi	otherwise they'll just die	Mar 09 13:27
Sosumi	and we'll be left with something to poke fun at	Mar 09 13:27
Sosumi	*well left without	Mar 09 13:27
Sosumi	but this is the dark future I've kind of been fearing	Mar 09 13:35
Sosumi	in which all you have is a piece of hardware with limited functionality	Mar 09 13:35
Sosumi	with all the storage and the required computing being left at a remote server	Mar 09 13:35
Sosumi	the big iron desktop is already dead	Mar 09 13:36
Sosumi	that spells the death of the small iron notebook	Mar 09 13:37
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msb_	"<Sosumi> the big iron desktop is already dead" -- Nonsense! The very article that Sosumi links to shows desktop sales declining very slowly by about 14% from 2012 to 2018. Desktops can have highspeed processors and have several large HDDs to have lots of data instantly available, for about $1200. Laptops add portability but lack the large data storage and some of the speed, for about the same price. Tablets store little data and	Mar 09 17:32
msb_	have a tiny screen -- useless for watching movies -- and an inefficient "keyboard". Easy portability is their only advantage. They have entirely different uses from desktops and laptops. The only reason tablets are outselling the others is their low price.	Mar 09 17:32
msb_	None of this has anything to do with Microshit, which will hopefully gradually die.	Mar 09 17:34
Sosumi	ppl use tvs to watch movies	Mar 09 17:36
Sosumi	many from what I've seen have already relegated all their computing to tablets	Mar 09 17:37
msb_	Desktops and laptops can serve as a wonderful extension of the human mind, if configured correctly. Any song, any movie, any piece of information important to a person, can be instantly recalled.	Mar 09 17:37
Sosumi	the only desktop market that still stays afloat is the gaming pc	Mar 09 17:37
msb_	Most people don't think, have never learned how, and have in fact been taught not to think. Any that drink fluoridated water, take antacids containing aluminum, or get vaccines containing mercury, have been brain-damaged. All of these have little intellectual life. They may be satisfied with a tablet, and watching movies from DVDs using a TV.	Mar 09 17:40
msb_	They are "sheeple". But it's people who do think who make a difference, who advance human knowledge and society, and create a World Community, and (hopefully) save us from the current domination by fascist psychopaths.	Mar 09 17:43
Sosumi	ho, no they actually stream them	Mar 09 17:45
Sosumi	you know? from a tablet or from zee internetz	Mar 09 17:45
Sosumi	via a console or some box	Mar 09 17:45
msb_	Makes no difference to what I said.	Mar 09 17:46
Sosumi	yes, remember that the alien also can emerge from the tv screen	Mar 09 17:46
msb_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc	Mar 09 17:49
msb_	The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! (guess the bot is down again) Russell Blaylock -- neurosurgeon.	Mar 09 17:53
msb_	What alien?	Mar 09 17:53
Sosumi	facepalm	Mar 09 17:53
msb_	What alien?	Mar 09 18:01
msb_	Sosumi: What alien?	Mar 09 18:03
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Sosumi	you need to stop listening to AJ	Mar 09 18:17
Sosumi	and the new age crap	Mar 09 18:17
Sosumi	ofc all tech is a double edged sword	Mar 09 18:17
Sosumi	but the way you put it looks like a slogan	Mar 09 18:18
Sosumi	and actually it is fun to watch the new age marijuana folks prattle around	Mar 09 18:18
Sosumi	because all they do is repeat the slogans that are shoved down their ears by their gurus	Mar 09 18:18
Sosumi	like AJ, david ike, alan watts, blavatski and so on	Mar 09 18:19
Sosumi	and ho yes the alien	Mar 09 18:19
Sosumi	smoke marijuana and he'll appear, for sure	Mar 09 18:20
Sosumi	:)	Mar 09 18:20
Sosumi	but I don't remember who was the alien + marijuana guy	Mar 09 18:26
Sosumi	icecrawler? or icebreaker	Mar 09 18:26
msb_	You just spew out unrelated names and think you're making a point. AJ, david "ike", alan watts, blavatski all said/say very different things. One must use critical thinking, which you don't seem to do, to extract the useful accurate info from each, and many others.	Mar 09 18:29
msb_	Sosumi: Cannabis can help free you from your programmed preconceptions, if you choose and use it correctly.	Mar 09 18:32
msb_	Sosumi: If you think in terms of "new age crap" or "conspiracy theories" you are doomed to be one of the sheeple that Blaylock talks about.	Mar 09 18:33
MinceR	184632 < Sosumi> yes, remember that the alien also can emerge from the tv screen	Mar 09 18:54
MinceR	Samara?	Mar 09 18:54
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 18:55
DaemonFC	"We have two children and a non-sentient parasite that has integrated itself into my systems."	Mar 09 18:55
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/c5joj7q.png	Mar 09 18:56
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 18:59
DaemonFC	Plan C.	Mar 09 18:59
DaemonFC	Give birth and then drop it off with your elected officials.	Mar 09 18:59
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DaemonFC	TOPICWAQ says:	Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC	what's A and B? And technically, drop off is an option.	Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC	I know.	Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC	Remember that time when the stupid Republicans in Nebraska worded the law wrong and people were driving to Nebraska to drop their teenagers off at hospitals?	Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC	TOPICWAQ says:	Mar 09 19:07
DaemonFC	I missed that...editing is important....	Mar 09 19:07
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 19:07
DaemonFC	It was all over the news.	Mar 09 19:07
DaemonFC	At least one woman drove all the way from Florida to drop off her 16 year old at a Nebraska hospital.	Mar 09 19:07
DaemonFC	"You said child! No take backs! Byeeeeee!"	Mar 09 19:07
MinceR	:D	Mar 09 19:09
Sosumi	MinceR, yes, the ring reference	Mar 09 19:28
Sosumi	msb_, if you want to free your mind, start by learning how the mind works	Mar 09 19:29
Sosumi	go study psychology and neurophysiology	Mar 09 19:30
Sosumi	instead of doing drugs	Mar 09 19:30
Sosumi	because once you know how the mind works	Mar 09 19:31
Sosumi	you'll no longer fall for the entrapments of propaganda	Mar 09 19:31
msb_	Sosumi: 1. I don't "do drugs". 2. I know that people create a model of reality in their minds, which is not necessarily accurate. It can only be made more accurate by critical thinking -- access all available sources of information, and compare them with one another and with your own internal model using the law of non-contradiction.	Mar 09 19:33
msb_	Sosumi: Then update your internal model. If you don't realize that your beliefs are your own model of reality, and that you must use critical thinking to correct it, then you have no hope of knowing what's actually going on in the world. Psychology and neurophysiology don't help that much.	Mar 09 19:35
msb_	Sosumi: You must hold your own mind as an object of examination. That is the key. Self-observation, as explained by Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. Without it you remain asleep.	Mar 09 19:37
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msb_	http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/us-backing-neo-nazis-ukraine?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark	Mar 09 21:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SXSW: Pitivi Aims To Bring Real Video Editing	Mar 09 21:28
TweetTuxMachines	to Linux http://t.co/OKk6gtHM47	Mar 09 21:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt19g	Mar 09 21:28
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Sosumi	hum	Mar 09 21:55
Sosumi	crimea	Mar 09 21:55
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/03/20140309_Ukr1.png	Mar 09 21:55
Sosumi	also, Obozo invites coup ukranian PM to DC	Mar 09 21:56
Sosumi	and guys on the field there are now confirmed to be blackwater PMCs	Mar 09 21:57
Sosumi	from tarpley just now	Mar 09 21:58
Sosumi	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/02/1281474/-Ukraine-Ethnic-Purity-Extremists-Neo-Nazis-threaten-Russians-Jews-non-whites#	Mar 09 21:58
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Sosumi	"Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.”	Mar 09 22:01
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFC	One of the disturbing things about having a computer with a satellite connection in the car is that the government could shut off your engine, or deactivate the brakes, or.....	Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFC	Eventually, they won't just be taking control of reporters Windows computers and deleting stories and books, they'll arrange for a little traffic accident, and nobody will be any the wiser.	Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFC	When we have self-driving cars, they'll be able to take them over and run you off a bridge or stop you on the train tracks and lock the doors, or....	Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFC	Well, you get the idea.	Mar 09 22:02
Sosumi	what I don't like of these new cars	Mar 09 22:03
Sosumi	is that things like the accelerator are not directly connected to the engine through a steel cable	Mar 09 22:04
Sosumi	but instead it is through a pressure sensor that in turn is connected to the management system of the car	Mar 09 22:04
Sosumi	and as we all know already	Mar 09 22:06
Sosumi	those car's "entertainment system" feedback telemetry to the seller	Mar 09 22:06
Sosumi	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/01/15/is-your-car-spying-on-you/	Mar 09 22:07
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Sosumi	https://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/10-security-privacy-issues-you-might-not-know-about-your-car%E2%80%99s-auto-location-services	Mar 09 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com \| 10 security, privacy issues you might not know about your car’s auto-location services [ http://ur1.ca/gfmk2 ]		Mar 09 22:07
Sosumi	and I've read about using that info for car insurance bonuses and so on	Mar 09 22:07
DaemonFC	Sosumi: My car is old enough that it has an accelerator cable.	Mar 09 22:08
DaemonFC	I have driven ones that have the sensor instead.	Mar 09 22:08
Sosumi	mine too	Mar 09 22:08
DaemonFC	I don't know why they changed it. Another expensive sensor that can go out?	Mar 09 22:08
Sosumi	it fits in if they record your usage of the accelerator	Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFC	I hate how they have a $500 sensor on every fucking thing now.	Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFC	"Low tire pressure!"	Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFC	Well, no shit...	Mar 09 22:09
Sosumi	inside the car "computer"	Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFC	"Oil change needed"	Mar 09 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mark Shuttleworth Talks Up The Phone's Bottom	Mar 09 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	Edge On Ubuntu http://t.co/AxIDFPXsAc	Mar 09 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt1gt	Mar 09 22:10
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DaemonFC	Isn't that what the sticker is for?	Mar 09 22:10
Sosumi	for possible data retrieval at a car repair shop	Mar 09 22:10
DaemonFC	Then when you take it for an oil change, they don't reset the sensor, and it still says you need an oil change.	Mar 09 22:10
Sosumi	or on those newer models, actually transmit the data	Mar 09 22:10
DaemonFC	I've seen plenty of people with that light on where they say "Yeah, the shop never reset it.".	Mar 09 22:11
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 09 22:11
Sosumi	mine doesn't do any of that	Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFC	This car is the newest I've owned. It's a 1996.	Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFC	So it does have OBD-II.	Mar 09 22:11
Sosumi	mine's just a renault 21 turbo from 1991	Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFC	That was the first year the federal government mandated that.	Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFC	Some 1995s have them.	Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFC	I've owned a lot of 1995s.	Mar 09 22:12
DaemonFC	A 1995 Chevy Lumina, a 1995 Chevy Corsica, a 1995 Ford Taurus....	Mar 09 22:12
DaemonFC	People get rid of their cars when there's plenty of life left on them.	Mar 09 22:13
DaemonFC	They just want something newer, which is ridiculous.	Mar 09 22:13
DaemonFC	If it's not broke, don't fix it.	Mar 09 22:13
Sosumi	no idea on what others do	Mar 09 22:13
Sosumi	but that renault has served me well	Mar 09 22:13
Sosumi	as it did it's previous owner	Mar 09 22:13
Sosumi	*its	Mar 09 22:14
Sosumi	and didn't cost me a dime	Mar 09 22:14
Sosumi	since it was given free to me	Mar 09 22:14
DaemonFC	I paid $2,200 for mine.	Mar 09 22:23
DaemonFC	Considering what used car prices are up to, that's not a bad deal.	Mar 09 22:23
DaemonFC	As recently as 2005, $2,000 got you a decent 10 year old car with about 100,000 miles on it.	Mar 09 22:23
DaemonFC	Now you're lucky to get anything that runs at all.	Mar 09 22:23
Sosumi	:)	Mar 09 22:25
Sosumi	GN	Mar 09 22:25
MinceR	http://pics.nase-bohren.de/getting-a-drivers-license.jpg	Mar 09 22:35
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DaemonFC	MinceR: I don't know why they have a drive test.	Mar 09 22:44
DaemonFC	There's always someone that darts out in front of you.	Mar 09 22:45
MinceR	to serve as incentive for corruption? :>	Mar 09 22:45
DaemonFC	There's always that guy that's going 50 in a 60 in front of you in a no passing zone.	Mar 09 22:45
MinceR	at least i'm sure that's how it works here in hungary	Mar 09 22:45
DaemonFC	There's always the dude that can't keep it in one lane.	Mar 09 22:45
MinceR	there's no way all those retards got a driver's license fair and square.	Mar 09 22:45
DaemonFC	Do these people exist in Hungary? :)	Mar 09 22:45
MinceR	yes, all of them	Mar 09 22:46
MinceR	also, turn lights are apparently a rarely heard legend	Mar 09 22:46
DaemonFC	Yeah. I honk at them and flip them off.	Mar 09 22:46
MinceR	and tailgating is the national sport	Mar 09 22:46
DaemonFC	It won't improve their behavior, but it feels good.	Mar 09 22:46
MinceR	people driving shitty expensive german cars believe the rules don't apply to them	Mar 09 22:46
MinceR	the police don't think the rules apply to them	Mar 09 22:46
MinceR	the rules are getting shittier every year	Mar 09 22:47
DaemonFC	Here, it's mostly pickup trucks that are rusty and as old as I am.	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	but no problem, since these idiots will probably insist on keeping the nazi dictatorship	Mar 09 22:47
DaemonFC	Economy cars from the 90s that are burning oil.	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	so the roads won't be maintained	Mar 09 22:47
DaemonFC	etc...	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	and will become unusable in a decade or two	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	and the people will also starve to death or be killed by plague	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	or in civil war	Mar 09 22:47
MinceR	so it won't last anyway	Mar 09 22:48
DaemonFC	Ford hasn't made anything better than the Crown Victoria.	Mar 09 22:48
DaemonFC	You see cars like mine with 300,000-400,000 miles on them, and still running.	Mar 09 22:48
DaemonFC	CAFE killed the Crown Vic.	Mar 09 22:48
DaemonFC	If they sold my car today, there's be a gas guzzler tax on it.	Mar 09 22:49
DaemonFC	*there'd	Mar 09 22:49
MinceR	maybe because it _is_ a gas guzzler? :>	Mar 09 22:49
MinceR	or the tax isn't dependent on mileage? :>	Mar 09 22:49
DaemonFC	it's whatever the government declares to be a gas guzzler	Mar 09 22:50
DaemonFC	I think the standard is 22.5 mpg now.	Mar 09 22:50
DaemonFC	They increase the fine by every 1 mpg you get under that.	Mar 09 22:50
DaemonFC	MinceR: Mine is EPA rated for 17 mpg combined city/highway.	Mar 09 22:51
MinceR	there you go, it's a gas guzzler :>	Mar 09 22:52
MinceR	(according to the standard)	Mar 09 22:52
DaemonFC	Well, yeah, except the EPA ratings aren't based in reality.	Mar 09 22:52
DaemonFC	They don't reflect how real people drive.	Mar 09 22:53
MinceR	gn	Mar 09 23:00
TakinOver	Crown Victoria? I've only seen cops driving those.	Mar 10 00:10
msb_	Suppose the government decides that people should have sensors, a little computer, and a wifi transceiver inside them to alert them to problems with their heart, liver, brain, etc.	Mar 10 00:16
msb_	"Democracies" may vote to make that mandatory. After all, they voted to prevent GMO labelling and gay marriage in states in the US, and to make totally harmless cannabis more illegal than murder. Voted through their elected legislators.	Mar 10 00:18
msb_	Maybe those same brainwashed idiot voters would vote to make implanted chips and sensors mandatory.	Mar 10 00:19
msb_	And then the govt could keep track of everyone -- where they are and what they're doing. All for their own good, of course.	Mar 10 00:20
msb_	If you went into a Faraday-cage room to block the transmission, the wifi transmitter might go to full power trying to contact the nearest base station and burn a hole through your skin.	Mar 10 00:23
msb_	Of course there would be no way to switch it off. For your own good.	Mar 10 00:24
msb_	I guarantee that psychopaths in the US government are working on this right now.	Mar 10 00:24
msb_	There's even a TV series called "Intelligence" about a guy with a chip in his head that can receive all wifi data. He can identify and track people. The system in his head integrates the data and shows him a series of pictures. He works for "US Cybercom":.	Mar 10 00:26
msb_	He has a beautiful female partner to protect him if he gets distracted by all that data. They just showed episode 9 a couple days ago.	Mar 10 00:29
msb_	And we thought Skynet and Terminators were the worst they'd come up with.	Mar 10 00:30
msb_	Well, I guess the Matrix was worse.	Mar 10 00:31
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schestowitz__	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/01/15/is-your-car-spying-on-you/	Mar 10 04:52
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schestowitz__	Sosumi: yeah, real problem	Mar 10 04:52
schestowitz__	but not as bad as cellphones	Mar 10 04:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IT Acquisition Reform Bill Passes House with	Mar 10 05:48
TweetTuxMachines	Open Source Provisions http://t.co/s0YRLNeeVW	Mar 10 05:48
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Sosumi	schestowitz__: it can be even worst	Mar 10 06:31
Sosumi	if there are means built in to hijack the car	Mar 10 06:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Video interview on the power and innovation	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	behind open source project management	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qe8s8TGr88	Mar 10 09:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Benchmarks Of Intel's Quark X1000 On The	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	Galileo Board http://t.co/QVYxPO0ps5	Mar 10 09:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromecast concept shows futuristic redesign	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	and we like it a lot http://t.co/bqF1CIL9cQ	Mar 10 09:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sony to bring widget functionality to Firefox	Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	OS http://t.co/NTlx3OJqQ5	Mar 10 09:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Risk Reflex (The Linux Security Flaw	Mar 10 11:17
TweetTuxMachines	That Isn't) http://t.co/OHqO0n8DCm	Mar 10 11:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Distro diaspora: Four flavours of Ubuntu	Mar 10 11:17
TweetTuxMachines	unpacked http://t.co/8Oqn58AaeI	Mar 10 11:17
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cubezzz	ok, did a blog on chip fabrication and pollution:	Mar 10 13:37
cubezzz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.com	Mar 10 13:37
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satipera	@schestowitz i do not know if you are familiar with red matrix or if you have publicised it on your sites. If you have not would you care to take a look and perhaps shine a light on it? https://redmatrix.me/	Mar 10 13:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to	Mar 10 16:58
TweetTuxMachines	protect data in connected cars	Mar 10 16:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kCUCDQIVa7	Mar 10 16:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt79f	Mar 10 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to protect data in connected cars \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 16:58
schestowitz__	cubezzz: I spread links to your blog post some days ago	Mar 10 16:59
schestowitz__	techrights will link to it later this month	Mar 10 16:59
cubezzz	ok, thanks :)	Mar 10 17:00
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cubezzz	here's some more info on TCE and drinking water:	Mar 10 17:14
cubezzz	http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/trichloroethylene.cfm	Mar 10 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-water.epa.gov \| Basic Information about Trichloroethylene in Drinking Water \| Basic Information about Regulated Drinking Water Contaminants \| US EPA [ http://ur1.ca/gt7d3 ]		Mar 10 17:14
cubezzz	here's some IBM 1401 pics you might enjoy (a computer introducted in 1959):	Mar 10 17:23
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1401.jpg	Mar 10 17:23
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1401-control-panel.jpg	Mar 10 17:23
cubezzz	maybe msb remembers it :)	Mar 10 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “KDE5″ and Wayland http://t.co/IOjpHBSpQ3	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7it	Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu Makeover May Give Your Linux Life a Lift	Mar 10 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AgbVGHLZRU	Mar 10 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7iu	Mar 10 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Half of EU has legislation on ICT re-use	Mar 10 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kqJkFzYqBO	Mar 10 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7iv	Mar 10 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.14 rc6 http://t.co/I3JL8n8v5U	Mar 10 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7ix	Mar 10 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| “KDE5″ and Wayland \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Makulu Makeover May Give Your Linux Life a Lift \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Half of EU has legislation on ICT re-use \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 3.14 rc6 \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 17:42
DaemonFC	It looks like we're going to get one last nasty snowstorm on Wednesday.	Mar 10 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to	Mar 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by protect data in connected cars	Mar 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	@omicron6 http://t.co/kCUCDQIVa7	Mar 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7qz	Mar 10 18:22
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Sosumi	http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/09/console-crisis/	Mar 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| The Console Market Is In Crisis \| TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/gt7zz ]		Mar 10 19:06
Sosumi	it was like I said yesterday	Mar 10 19:06
Sosumi	the only thing that is surging is the gaming pc market	Mar 10 19:07
Sosumi	although, consoles will pick up once exclusives start kicking in	Mar 10 19:07
Sosumi	as for the xbone I see a bad future ahead of it	Mar 10 19:08
Sosumi	usually what kept the 360 around at first were the paid exclusives	Mar 10 19:08
Sosumi	and the halo games made by bungie	Mar 10 19:08
Sosumi	which were quite mediocre if I must say	Mar 10 19:09
Sosumi	specially halo 1	Mar 10 19:09
Sosumi	didn't bring anything new into the mix	Mar 10 19:10
Sosumi	aside from assisted aiming, lawl	Mar 10 19:10
Sosumi	but the xbone is well bellow	Mar 10 19:10
DaemonFC	I opened all my windows. 55 degrees is like a tropical heat wave compared to the winter we've had.	Mar 10 19:11
Sosumi	in here there was just rain and rain	Mar 10 19:12
Sosumi	but no cold at all	Mar 10 19:12
Sosumi	the lowest temps outside were usually around 15 ºC	Mar 10 19:13
Sosumi	at moment and for the remaining of the week	Mar 10 19:13
Sosumi	it is forecasted to be all sun and temperatures around 20 ºC	Mar 10 19:13
Sosumi	and that basically means summer to me	Mar 10 19:14
Sosumi	since from the hellhole I come from temperatures during the winter were usually negative	Mar 10 19:14
Sosumi	that and scorching summers	Mar 10 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sweden's Point of Single Contact runs open	Mar 10 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	source http://t.co/iw9r0Rvwmr	Mar 10 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt89z	Mar 10 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Halts its Development of Persona	Mar 10 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	Authentication System http://t.co/JkO0gFSBTW	Mar 10 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8a3	Mar 10 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source runs web sites European Parliament	Mar 10 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d2dLnklTG9	Mar 10 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8a4	Mar 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Sweden's Point of Single Contact runs open source \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mozilla Halts its Development of Persona Authentication System \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source runs web sites European Parliament \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 19:51
DaemonFC	http://blog.seattlepi.com/techblog/2014/03/10/popcorn-time-makes-movie-piracy-as-easy-as-watching-netflix/	Mar 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.seattlepi.com \| Popcorn Time makes movie piracy as easy as watching Netflix - Dwight Silverman's TechBlog [ http://ur1.ca/gt8a9 ]		Mar 10 19:51
DaemonFC	"they’re often laced with malware."	Mar 10 19:52
DaemonFC	Even on Windows, I do not believe that malware can infest a video file, unless the format is WMV.	Mar 10 19:52
abeNd-org	ugh, what is it with google & malware paid links, come on, i know you like money google but must you accept it from those pushing malware? this isnt even apps, this is links in google search, just had to clear off a computer from the person doing a "adobe flash" search on windows & clicking one of the sponsored links that infested her machine with a boatload of garbageware	Mar 10 20:19
gde33	abeNd-org: even worse, they were in a position to set some decent web standards but chose to keep what they like a secret	Mar 10 20:29
gde33	they have a ton of designers guess what google likes, so called SEO	Mar 10 20:29
gde33	for paid links I would do a scheme based on page weight, number of requests, does it use js, if so how much etc	Mar 10 20:30
gde33	I would then bill you for the malware :D	Mar 10 20:31
gde33	the kind of bill that ends your life	Mar 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Out in the Open: The Men Supercharging	Mar 10 20:34
TweetTuxMachines	Neuroscience With Open Source Hardware	Mar 10 20:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3pGI417YDN	Mar 10 20:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8i4	Mar 10 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Out in the Open: The Men Supercharging Neuroscience With Open Source Hardware \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 20:34
DaemonFC	I bought a new car charger for my phone.	Mar 10 20:38
DaemonFC	I forgot that you can't have it plugged in when you're starting the car, and shorted mine out. :P	Mar 10 20:39
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sebsebseb	hi	Mar 10 20:39
Sosumi	abeNd-org, I think those folks actually deserve that for installing flash	Mar 10 20:39
Sosumi	DaemonFC, always turn off stuff, including lights and radio when starting the engine	Mar 10 20:40
Sosumi	common sense says so	Mar 10 20:41
sebsebseb	Sosumi: openSUSE	Mar 10 20:41
Sosumi	what about openSUSIE?	Mar 10 20:41
Sosumi	last time I checked, she had her legs closed :(	Mar 10 20:42
sebsebseb	Sosumi: uhmm openSUSE, Mint, and Ubuntu	Mar 10 20:42
sebsebseb	at that event	Mar 10 20:42
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I was thinkng if I realy want to email this other group for something else realy abut it	Mar 10 20:43
sebsebseb	I Mean	Mar 10 20:43
sebsebseb	1. I look like a geek doing that for sure	Mar 10 20:43
sebsebseb	2.	Mar 10 20:43
sebsebseb	uh hold on my distro isn't in the event	Mar 10 20:43
sebsebseb	unless yo inclue a mention in the hand out	Mar 10 20:43
Sosumi	I've no idea of what event you're referring to	Mar 10 20:44
sebsebseb	Sosumi: oh same one as before	Mar 10 20:44
sebsebseb	general public thing	Mar 10 20:44
Sosumi	you know	Mar 10 20:45
Sosumi	you could always appear uninvited	Mar 10 20:45
sebsebseb	hmm?	Mar 10 20:45
Sosumi	at the event	Mar 10 20:45
Sosumi	rent a plane and get a parachute tailored with the mageia colors	Mar 10 20:46
Sosumi	and jump in them	Mar 10 20:46
Sosumi	like a boss	Mar 10 20:46
sebsebseb	Sosumi: heh heh	Mar 10 20:46
abeNd-org	Sosumi despite your perfect html5 world, some stuff still uses flash on the internet, especially when it comes to end user applications	Mar 10 20:48
Sosumi	like flash games?	Mar 10 20:48
Sosumi	real end user applications of the sort of important "stuff"	Mar 10 20:49
Sosumi	are done in java	Mar 10 20:49
Sosumi	flash in itself, could and should just die	Mar 10 20:49
Sosumi	*on	Mar 10 20:50
abeNd-org	radio station in this particular case, & yes mgmt allows it, so yes, it is supported by IT per mgmt, so no, this wouldnt fit into your perfect html5 utopia that doesnt exist	Mar 10 20:53
MinceR	205215 < DaemonFC> Even on Windows, I do not believe that malware can infest a video file, unless the format is WMV.	Mar 10 20:53
abeNd-org	flash should die, but it isnt, & hasnt	Mar 10 20:54
MinceR	i suppose a buffer overflow or similar vulnerability could lead to execution of arbitrary code :>	Mar 10 20:54
abeNd-org	os2 should die, but there is still plenty of it out there, sco openserver should die, but there is still plenty of it out there	Mar 10 20:54
Sosumi	funnily how you immediately declared ti has my html5 utopia	Mar 10 20:54
MinceR	how could there be a "perfect html5 world" as long as a drm apologist heads the w3c in cahoots with msft and the MAFIAA?	Mar 10 20:55
Sosumi	when in fact html5 has been infected with drm a while ago	Mar 10 20:55
Sosumi	so, far from being utopic	Mar 10 20:55
abeNd-org	i call it as the way you speak there is nothing in the universe using flash	Mar 10 20:57
MinceR	sites should just link to reasonably open video files and let a real video player handle them :>	Mar 10 20:58
MinceR	(not Real Video, that's crap)	Mar 10 20:58
Sosumi	never intended to make it sound that way	Mar 10 20:58
Sosumi	like there is "nothing using flash"	Mar 10 20:58
Sosumi	plus, flash is deprecated on gnu/linux and it is a broken glass jar poorly fixed with duct tape and camel spit	Mar 10 21:00
abeNd-org	so tough cookies, flash still exists, stop whining & fix the issues instead of crying a river. google's sponsored ads on searches being one of the problems	Mar 10 21:00
Sosumi	so obviously that I'm all for replacing it	Mar 10 21:00
abeNd-org	yeah, well, it still exists, so again, touch cookies	Mar 10 21:00
abeNd-org	tough	Mar 10 21:00
abeNd-org	should it? no, does it? yes	Mar 10 21:00
MinceR	getting rid of flash is the way to fix the issue.	Mar 10 21:01
abeNd-org	ok, so where is a usable replacement, & why is it that places like radio station websites arent using it yet?	Mar 10 21:02
MinceR	there were usable replacements ever since video player applications could stream over http	Mar 10 21:03
MinceR	websites aren't using them because people are stupid.	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	I have no idea of what radio stations you're talking about	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	but the one I know provide a file that can be opened through vlc	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	or even itunes	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	for streaming	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	much better	Mar 10 21:04
Sosumi	and it works with mobile devices	Mar 10 21:05
Sosumi	since flash is dead on android too	Mar 10 21:05
MinceR	(and most likely even an "html5" video element could be used in such a way)	Mar 10 21:05
abeNd-org	sure, people in this channel could configure vlc for streaming, but most "humans" wouldnt know what vlc is, much less how to get it going for streaming	Mar 10 21:05
MinceR	you underestimate the popularity of vlc :>	Mar 10 21:06
Sosumi	that is why those humans deserve all the bag of hurt they get by installing flash	Mar 10 21:06
MinceR	also, regardless of your enthusiasm for flash, the fact is adobe is killing support for it.	Mar 10 21:06
Sosumi	hopefully, they'll apreciate to know better next time	Mar 10 21:06
abeNd-org	& you underestimate the corporate world	Mar 10 21:06
abeNd-org	"(4:00:16 PM) abeNd-org: should it? no, does it? yes" - pretty sure i wouldnt call that enthusiasm....	Mar 10 21:07
DaemonFC	MinceR: Real doesn't have their own codecs anymore.	Mar 10 21:07
abeNd-org	sure, replacing it with adobe air	Mar 10 21:07
DaemonFC	Just a container format that hosts MPEG-4.	Mar 10 21:07
MinceR	they killed adobe air earlier	Mar 10 21:07
abeNd-org	on linux sure	Mar 10 21:07
MinceR	and it failed anyway	Mar 10 21:08
abeNd-org	alive & well on windows	Mar 10 21:08
MinceR	i'm curious of your corporate environment where adobe air is "alive & well"	Mar 10 21:08
MinceR	i'm pretty sure people aren't even aware of it in most "corporate environment"s	Mar 10 21:08
Sosumi	I thought that everyone hated air	Mar 10 21:10
Sosumi	as much as they hated twilight	Mar 10 21:10
Sosumi	or silverlight	Mar 10 21:10
abeNd-org	from what i remember most of the people in this channel are just students, or have only worked in one IT environment in their lives	Mar 10 21:10
MinceR	then you "remember" it wrong	Mar 10 21:10
Sosumi	I'm guilty for student	Mar 10 21:10
abeNd-org	yea, silverlight, nightmare, ms is still pushing it for lync/sccm/etc management	Mar 10 21:10
MinceR	yeah, msft pretty much gave up on silverlight	Mar 10 21:11
MinceR	ages ago	Mar 10 21:11
abeNd-org	yea, they did, but for the current mgmt consoles of some of their major server programs it is still there	Mar 10 21:11
MinceR	so, a relic	Mar 10 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google to launch SDK for Android wearables in	Mar 10 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	two weeks http://t.co/8yimDqaBFe	Mar 10 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8sq	Mar 10 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Performance Impact Of Linux Disk Encryption	Mar 10 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	On Ubuntu 14.04 LTS http://t.co/XjMt0m0B54	Mar 10 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8sr	Mar 10 21:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google to launch SDK for Android wearables in two weeks \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 21:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Performance Impact Of Linux Disk Encryption On Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 21:18
abeNd-org	relic? not if it is current	Mar 10 21:21
abeNd-org	& netflix announced they are getting rid of silverlight, but i dont think it was until 2019	Mar 10 21:21
abeNd-org	& im pretty sure netflix isnt going away in the next 6 months or so	Mar 10 21:23
Sosumi	http://www.dallasblog.com/201402181010101/dallas-blog/soros-hires-scientologist-to-conquer-ukraine.html	Mar 10 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dallasblog.com \| Dallasblog.com, the Dallas, Texas news blog and Dallas, Texas information source for the DFW Metroplex. - DALLAS BLOG - Soros Hires Scientologist to Conquer Ukraine [ http://ur1.ca/gt907 ]		Mar 10 21:54
Sosumi	facepalm	Mar 10 21:54
Sosumi	I'd be laughing as hard as possible at this one	Mar 10 22:02
Sosumi	but ppl are suffering	Mar 10 22:02
Sosumi	still, a scientologist?	Mar 10 22:03
Sosumi	rofl	Mar 10 22:03
MinceR	ecumenical conspiracy theory?	Mar 10 22:03
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 10 22:04
Sosumi	tarpley was the one who got the link	Mar 10 22:04
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MinceR	gn	Mar 10 23:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Black Lab Linux Education 4.2.5 and Black Lab	Mar 10 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	Professional Desktop 4.2.5 released	Mar 10 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mY4iUASVS6	Mar 10 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt9j6	Mar 10 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Black Lab Linux Education 4.2.5 and Black Lab Professional Desktop 4.2.5 released \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 23:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why I Use Linux and You Should Too	Mar 11 00:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xhIgiCMUnS	Mar 11 00:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt9s5	Mar 11 00:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu might be the best Linux distro for	Mar 11 00:17
TweetTuxMachines	Windows XP users http://t.co/XaTMHfDK10	Mar 11 00:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt9s6	Mar 11 00:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/P49TrpZyRs 2014 - Knowledge. Power.	Mar 11 00:17
TweetTuxMachines	Freedom. http://t.co/7i6nf2WnSB	Mar 11 00:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt9s8	Mar 11 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why I Use Linux and You Should Too \| Tux Machines		Mar 11 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Lubuntu might be the best Linux distro for Windows XP users \| Tux Machines		Mar 11 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kde.in \| conf.kde.in 2014 \| KDE India		Mar 11 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Conf.kde.in 2014 - Knowledge. Power. Freedom. \| Tux Machines		Mar 11 00:17
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DaemonFC	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/heqnvgscg4h6msgmgh47.gif	Mar 11 03:10
DaemonFC	LOL	Mar 11 03:11
msb_	I never programmed that IBM 1401, but I did spend a couple years on this LINC computer: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/linc/	Mar 11 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digibarn.com \| Digibarn Systems: The LINC - Laboratory INstrument Computer [ http://ur1.ca/gtbmh ]		Mar 11 04:33
msb_	Click on the photos to expand them. It had silver toggle switches to load address and data. You could simply run your finger down them to set them all to 0 or 1. It had lighted pushbuttons!	Mar 11 04:35
msb_	The display was a 5" oscilloscope. I programmed a binocular stero display on it with one of the analog knobs adjusting separation of the two pictures to match the viewer's interocular distance.	Mar 11 04:36
cubezzz	that was by DEC was it not?	Mar 11 04:37
msb_	The keyboard crapped out and I helped make a new one out of a teletype and diode logic, to use until the replacement came.	Mar 11 04:37
msb_	Yes, DEC.	Mar 11 04:37
msb_	It was designed to be programmable by scientists for use in laboratory automation and data processing/visualization.	Mar 11 04:38
msb_	I wrote a program that used an area of memory to hold instructions created by a random number generator. They could modify themselves, but the HALT instruction was not executed. The display instruction had the X value in an index register and the Y value in the accumulator. The random-execution program made displays that looked like EEG patterns!	Mar 11 04:42
msb_	The Ghost in the Machine!	Mar 11 04:42
cubezzz	so it's a rasterized display?	Mar 11 04:43
cubezzz	if so, it's one of the earliest ones	Mar 11 04:43
msb_	Nope -- one dot at a time.	Mar 11 04:43
msb_	But the screen was fairly long persistence, and if there were 1000 dots or less it didn't flicker much.	Mar 11 04:44
msb_	I built a light-pen for it, so you could draw pictures and store them on the little magtapes. Even make movies, sort of.	Mar 11 04:44
msb_	Originally it had 1K of 12-bit core, then they added a second K.	Mar 11 04:45
cubezzz	that's tiny	Mar 11 04:46
msb_	But it didn't have to support a GUI. Just ran one program at a time, which you wrote in assembly language.	Mar 11 04:47
cubezzz	I guess that would be assembly language only then?	Mar 11 04:47
cubezzz	ah I see	Mar 11 04:47
msb_	But it was a very easy and efficient assembly language. BASIC came later, on the PDP-8,	Mar 11 04:47
msb_	The instructions were designed for programming by general scientists and lab techs, not computer specialists.	Mar 11 04:48
cubezzz	interesting	Mar 11 04:48
cubezzz	I've dabbled with early DEC computers a bit, but not the LINC	Mar 11 04:49
msb_	It came with an editor/assembler program, more or less curses-like. You could insert lines.	Mar 11 04:49
msb_	The LINC was the most beautiful of all.	Mar 11 04:49
cubezzz	did you ever work on a PDP-4?	Mar 11 04:50
cubezzz	that's about the same era	Mar 11 04:50
msb_	It had analog input knobs, A/D and D/A convertors, and a plugin frame that could hold custom circuitry you'd build on perf boards.	Mar 11 04:51
msb_	No.	Mar 11 04:51
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/pdp-4-trackball.png	Mar 11 04:51
msb_	LINC, PDP-8, LINC-8, PDP-12, PDP-6, PDP-10.	Mar 11 04:51
cubezzz	I've worked on PDP-10	Mar 11 04:52
msb_	Wow, huge screen!	Mar 11 04:52
cubezzz	DEC 340 display :)	Mar 11 04:53
cubezzz	well before my time, but interesting	Mar 11 04:53
msb_	I've used a $30 Logitech trackball for years. would never go back to a mouse.	Mar 11 04:53
msb_	We might have had one of those displays on the PDP-12. At least it was big and round. Still dot by dot.	Mar 11 04:54
cubezzz	vector 1024x1204 if I remember correctly	Mar 11 04:54
cubezzz	1024x1024	Mar 11 04:54
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msb_	I think ours was dots, not vectors, but I'm not sure now.	Mar 11 04:55
msb_	In any case you had to be very careful in programming it not to burn a hole in the phosphor by repeatedly displaying a dot in one place.	Mar 11 04:56
msb_	Always kept a finger on the STOP switch until you knew there were no bugs that would do that.	Mar 11 04:57
msb_	During the Vietnam War, some big bosses came through and I displayed a peace symbol on the LINC screen that I had secretly prepared.	Mar 11 04:59
msb_	No flicker, medium-persistence green phosphor, about the same color used in The Matrix.	Mar 11 05:01
cubezzz	reminds me a bit of Commodore PET	Mar 11 05:01
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/superpet-apl2.png	Mar 11 05:02
cubezzz	the PET had 8x8 characters though, so a bit more resolution than 4x6 :)	Mar 11 05:04
cubezzz	wikipedia says white or yellow phosphor, but those pics showed green	Mar 11 05:05
msb_	The 5 inch LINC display was definitely green. I don't remember the color of the large round PDP-12 display.	Mar 11 05:07
msb_	The PDP-12 had both LINC and PDP-8 instruction sets, and could switch between them.	Mar 11 05:08
msb_	It had a 5MB removable hard drive, that would scratch the head on the edge of the platter every time the cartridge was loaded. But DEC denied it.	Mar 11 05:09
cubezzz	RK05?	Mar 11 05:10
msb_	Could be. It was a single platter cartridge.	Mar 11 05:11
msb_	A Data General Eclipse computer I worked on had a 200MB HDD the size of a small coffin. I fixed it using only a triggered-delay oscilloscope.	Mar 11 05:13
cubezzz	what language(s) did you use on the PDP-10?	Mar 11 05:14
msb_	Computing got to be real fun again when I got an IBM-PC with a color display.	Mar 11 05:14
msb_	Assembly and Fortran. I was working on a machine to scan oscilloscope photographs into the computer. Scanned them with a CRT and lens, and picked up the reflection with a photomultiplier tube.	Mar 11 05:16
msb_	The photos were of nanosecond phenomena, and the original signals were to fast to digitize.	Mar 11 05:17
msb_	The thing actually worked, powered by a PDP-8 networked to the PDP-6 or 10, and was callable from Fortran.	Mar 11 05:18
msb_	to fast --> too fast	Mar 11 05:18
msb_	Light absorption in chlorophyll (spinach leaves) hit with a Q-switched ruby laser pulse.	Mar 11 05:19
msb_	The measure light was a xenon flash lamp powered by a multiple pi-section delay line, where the inductors were tunable with ferrite cores, enabling the light pulse to be flattened.	Mar 11 05:20
msb_	I was very proud of that measure light!	Mar 11 05:21
cubezzz	you had an interesting job :)	Mar 11 05:22
msb_	A succession of them.	Mar 11 05:22
msb_	Research labs were much better to work in than the software companies I was in after them. The scientists were rational. The software managers were not.	Mar 11 05:23
cubezzz	some work I did on tops-20:	Mar 11 05:23
cubezzz	http://apl.maxhost.org/apl-tops-20.txt	Mar 11 05:24
msb_	Was/is that a successor to the PDP-10?	Mar 11 05:24
msb_	Or an OS?	Mar 11 05:25
cubezzz	well tops-20 was the OS for DECSystem-20	Mar 11 05:25
cubezzz	not sure if that was the successor to PDP-10 though	Mar 11 05:25
msb_	I think I had migrated to DG Nova/Eclipse, and then to 6502 satellites of them, and then IBM-PCs.	Mar 11 05:26
cubezzz	I guess it's still a PDP-10 though	Mar 11 05:26
msb_	I had an idea for each lab setup to have a little 6502 machine with 4K or so of RAM, that could take data at high speed, store it, and feed it to the Eclipse central computer over a serial line.	Mar 11 05:28
msb_	It would have worked if they hadn't stopped me! No, actually we built one 6502 satellite (based on a cheap kit), and it did work.	Mar 11 05:29
cubezzz	I think some of the DECSystem-20's had 1024 kilowords of ram	Mar 11 05:31
msb_	I got circuit ideas for it from, I think Don Lancaster's monthly column in Popular Electronics.	Mar 11 05:32
msb_	A mighty megabyte!	Mar 11 05:32
msb_	Except I guess they were 36-bit words.	Mar 11 05:32
cubezzz	yes, pretty hefty :)	Mar 11 05:32
cubezzz	plus it had ethernet which is nice	Mar 11 05:34
msb_	Better than RS-232!	Mar 11 05:35
cubezzz	three-phase power, not something for the house	Mar 11 05:35
cubezzz	way too big	Mar 11 05:35
msb_	Cables under the floor.	Mar 11 05:36
cubezzz	I think there's a lot of source code kicking around though, and there's a pretty good emulator for it	Mar 11 05:36
msb_	Eventually a Pentium PC beat it all to hell. Such is the power of photolithography.	Mar 11 05:37
cubezzz	you be surprised now much old stuff is open source now	Mar 11 05:37
cubezzz	x86 doesn't rule everything	Mar 11 05:37
cubezzz	IBM still makes mainframes :)	Mar 11 05:38
msb_	Yeah, but what do they have inside 'em?	Mar 11 05:38
msb_	Might be lots of multi-core x86s.	Mar 11 05:38
msb_	Often running Linux.	Mar 11 05:39
cubezzz	it's z10 these days	Mar 11 05:39
msb_	Proprietary IBM CPU?	Mar 11 05:39
cubezzz	linux yes, but not x86	Mar 11 05:39
cubezzz	yeah it's an IBM microprocessor, came in around 2008	Mar 11 05:40
msb_	Didn't IBM contribute a billion dollars to improving Linux some years back?	Mar 11 05:42
cubezzz	some of the supercomputers are intel xeon though	Mar 11 05:42
cubezzz	ah, I think they did	Mar 11 05:42
cubezzz	there's still some anti-microsoft sentiment there :)	Mar 11 05:43
msb_	Good!	Mar 11 05:43
cubezzz	at least old IBM is actually open source	Mar 11 05:43
msb_	"Data control and IBM -- science is mankind's brother!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHC9NANKluU	Mar 11 05:44
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cubezzz	old stuff like DMS and OS/360-MVT, you can get the source for it	Mar 11 05:45
cubezzz	also VM/370	Mar 11 05:46
cubezzz	I'm an operating system aficionado :)	Mar 11 05:47
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cubezzz	check this rendering out:	Mar 11 05:47
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-370-model-145.png	Mar 11 05:48
msb_	Wow, so that's computer generated, not a photo?	Mar 11 05:49
cubezzz	yeah	Mar 11 05:49
msb_	Very good!	Mar 11 05:50
msb_	Did DEC have some kind of windowing GUI that ran on Unix before X?	Mar 11 05:50
cubezzz	there was the W Window System	Mar 11 05:51
msb_	Doesn't ring any bells. I think it was on DEC...	Mar 11 05:51
cubezzz	not sure if that ran on DEC though	Mar 11 05:52
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cubezzz	but it's the ancestor of X	Mar 11 05:52
msb_	No, I think it was SunOS.	Mar 11 05:52
msb_	Easier to deal with than X. Even I could understand it.	Mar 11 05:53
msb_	X I just have to take on faith.	Mar 11 05:53
msb_	Yes, I worked on Suns for a couple years. Pizza boxes and such.	Mar 11 05:54
cubezzz	SunOS ran X	Mar 11 05:55
cubezzz	xdm and all that stuff	Mar 11 05:55
msb_	But didn't it have its own GUI before X?	Mar 11 05:55
cubezzz	maybe really early on there was, not positive about that	Mar 11 05:57
msb_	"GUI environments bundled with earlier versions of SunOS included SunTools (later SunView)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunOS#User_interface	Mar 11 05:58
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cubezzz	even SunView ran on top of X	Mar 11 05:58
cubezzz	so before that, maybe	Mar 11 05:58
msb_	I think it was SunView.	Mar 11 05:58
cubezzz	remember, everyone got behind X around 1986 or so	Mar 11 05:59
cubezzz	so before 1986 it's quite possible that they used something else	Mar 11 05:59
msb_	I wrote my own simple window system for PC-DOS in C. Put up overlapping windows with text in them.	Mar 11 05:59
msb_	Never got around to graphics in the windows, though.	Mar 11 06:00
cubezzz	here's some history of X:	Mar 11 06:00
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/history-of-x.txt	Mar 11 06:00
cubezzz	Xerox had something before X	Mar 11 06:02
msb_	Thanks! Time marches on.	Mar 11 06:03
msb_	Everything must be improved, whether it needs to be or not.	Mar 11 06:03
cubezzz	yeah, I think X is important	Mar 11 06:03
cubezzz	device independent graphics	Mar 11 06:03
msb_	Has that program come back that allows you to adjust X to your monitor, instead of relying on X's wrong automatic guesses? I forget what it was called.	Mar 11 06:04
msb_	Also helped set up unusual input equipment like my trackball.	Mar 11 06:05
cubezzz	well redhat had there redhat-config-xfree86 program	Mar 11 06:06
msb_	Last time I upgraded Linux I had to get lots of hints and guesses from Suse IRC folks to make a center button by pushing left and right together.	Mar 11 06:06
msb_	Suse's had a different name. 8^)	Mar 11 06:07
cubezzz	in the somewhat olden days there was a package called XFree86-tools	Mar 11 06:08
cubezzz	so whatever was in that	Mar 11 06:08
msb_	I always keep all the config files and libs from the previous Linux in case I have to graft them onto the new one.	Mar 11 06:09
msb_	Bilkenstein's monster.	Mar 11 06:10
cubezzz	it's better to understand the text files though	Mar 11 06:10
cubezzz	rather than rely on some gui thingamajig	Mar 11 06:10
msb_	Well, yeah, I had to hack the X config files.	Mar 11 06:10
cubezzz	ok, now I remember what I used to do...	Mar 11 06:11
cubezzz	Xfree86 -configure	Mar 11 06:11
cubezzz	that barfs out a XF86Config text file :)	Mar 11 06:12
msb_	If the gui thingamajig works and writes the config files for me, that's fine. I long ago realized that I can't understand everything in computers. Even most things.	Mar 11 06:12
cubezzz	well the source is there, but it's hard to absorb all of it :)	Mar 11 06:13
cubezzz	learning everything about X is wading into deep water	Mar 11 06:13
cubezzz	a lot of the young uns don't understand X too well	Mar 11 06:14
msb_	it was SaX2! or maybe SaX or SaX3	Mar 11 06:14
msb_	a lot of the old uns don't either!	Mar 11 06:15
cubezzz	no one is saying learn the X protocol 100%, but some macro-level understanding is good	Mar 11 06:15
msb_	No doubt.	Mar 11 06:15
msb_	Hey, it gives us a hobby!	Mar 11 06:17
cubezzz	Scheifler "borrowed" a lot of W code for X	Mar 11 06:18
cubezzz	so MIT, DEC, IBM got together and helped build up X	Mar 11 06:19
msb_	Betwen google, the previous version, and IRC, any problem can be solved. Eventually.	Mar 11 06:19
msb_	Hey, ever since I blew the dust out of my cpu heatsink and such, and have kept moderate rein on Firefox, I haven't had another crash. I love watching the cpu temperature graphs in the sys mon program!	Mar 11 06:21
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msb_	Yes, cooperation can create great things!	Mar 11 06:22
cubezzz	the W window system ran under the V operating system	Mar 11 06:22
cubezzz	that came out of Stanford	Mar 11 06:22
msb_	I remember a tour through Stanford AI Lab, where they were all LISP fiends.	Mar 11 06:23
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msb_	Then I worked at a Stanford physics lab, that's where I used the Suns.	Mar 11 06:25
cubezzz	yeah there was Stanford Lisp	Mar 11 06:26
cubezzz	then MACLISP	Mar 11 06:26
msb_	Even some kind of Sun 386s, that ran Unix. They were kinda crashy.	Mar 11 06:27
cubezzz	and 4.3BSD had a lisp interpreter	Mar 11 06:27
cubezzz	I was never a fan though	Mar 11 06:27
msb_	When I first found out about lisp I thought it was god's primordial language. But I never got into it, except the simplified version for programming the BRIEF editor.	Mar 11 06:28
cubezzz	and early Sun's did run W, I	Mar 11 06:28
cubezzz	I'm just reading up on that	Mar 11 06:28
msb_	It was probably smarter than our previous president "W".	Mar 11 06:29
cubezzz	don't malign the letter :)	Mar 11 06:29
msb_	It has to host Sesame Street.	Mar 11 06:30
cubezzz	ah I found a pic of W:	Mar 11 06:32
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/w-window-system.gif	Mar 11 06:32
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cubezzz	wetscape looks like a web browser	Mar 11 06:33
msb_	Yes! Give W multiple named desktops and a taskbar, and I'd be happy with it.	Mar 11 06:34
msb_	And some apps, and a menu, and firefox, and... well, KDE3!	Mar 11 06:36
msb_	Also mc -- I'd be lost without it.	Mar 11 06:37
msb_	Have more than 50 copies running. Don't know why half of them don't show up in ps.	Mar 11 06:39
cubezzz	why so many?	Mar 11 06:39
msb_	20 desktops, 4-5 konsoles with mc in each.	Mar 11 06:40
msb_	All together they don't use more than a couple percent of my old cpu, so I leave them up, set to the directories of interest in each desktop.	Mar 11 06:42
msb_	I have an OS that could run 50 users out of this little PC. Might as well load it up with mind helpers for little old me.	Mar 11 06:43
msb_	I remember when a PDP-11 timeshared for a whole university, or at least a college. And my old dual core AMD is faster.	Mar 11 06:45
msb_	The human race will do great things, if we don't kill ourselves off.	Mar 11 06:46
msb_	I just read where some particle accelerator is going to be improved for even higher energies, where it might make a strangelet that would convert the entire planet and everything on it into a ball of seething crap.	Mar 11 06:48
msb_	Sane people would do that on a moon somewhere very far away.	Mar 11 06:48
msb_	Or maybe they would never do it.	Mar 11 06:50
msb_	I was thinking "another galaxy", but then it might ruin an entire galaxy.	Mar 11 06:51
msb_	Well, maybe natural processes create energies far above what we can ever reach. I sure hope so.	Mar 11 06:52
cubezzz	yeah I don't think we can destroy galaxies :)	Mar 11 06:52
cubezzz	we can't even put a guy on Mars yet :)	Mar 11 06:53
msb_	And if we can, we shouldn't.	Mar 11 06:53
msb_	I think we almost put Carrie-Anne Moss on Mars, but she stayed in orbit.	Mar 11 06:54
cubezzz	I never got mc working over ssh quite right	Mar 11 06:56
msb_	Ooh yeah! Red Planet 2000	Mar 11 06:57
cubezzz	esc 0 works though	Mar 11 06:57
cubezzz	then esc esc to get out of a menu	Mar 11 06:58
msb_	mc has a mailing list, maybe an irc channel. You could ask.	Mar 11 06:58
msb_	They're also constantly improving it. Or at least updating it.	Mar 11 07:00
msb_	I'm a cynic sometimes.	Mar 11 07:00
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/PaYDg	Mar 11 07:00
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msb_	I have never tweeted.	Mar 11 07:03
msb_	Never felt the urge.	Mar 11 07:03
MinceR	neither have i	Mar 11 07:03
MinceR	i prefer StatusNet anyway :>	Mar 11 07:03
MinceR	(but i haven't used that either)	Mar 11 07:03
msb_	I'm more the puddy tat type.	Mar 11 07:03
MinceR	lol	Mar 11 07:04
cubezzz	one of the problems is konsole uses f2 to make another instance of konsole	Mar 11 07:05
cubezzz	so that mucks things up for mc	Mar 11 07:05
cubezzz	but I think I've got it working OK now	Mar 11 07:06
cubezzz	mc -a	Mar 11 07:06
msb_	My version of console doesn't respond to F keys at all	Mar 11 07:06
msb_	Which is probably a good thing, in case I hit one by mistake.	Mar 11 07:07
msb_	console --> konsole	Mar 11 07:07
MinceR	iirc the hotkeys of konsole are configurable	Mar 11 07:07
cubezzz	yeah I probably changed something at some point	Mar 11 07:08
cubezzz	my setup is rather elaborate	Mar 11 07:08
msb_	In an episode of some anime' the bad guy has captured the good guy and is going to illustrate his fate with a computer program. But he has to say, "Wait a minute -- I have a lot of add-ons"	Mar 11 07:10
cubezzz	msb_, you probably don't want to watch this:	Mar 11 07:10
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Apocalypse	Mar 11 07:10
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cubezzz	a bit of a ex deus machina at the end :)	Mar 11 07:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Bugs, Bugs Everywhere	Mar 11 07:14
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msb__	goddamit, crashed again	Mar 11 07:22
msb__	not heat, wasn't doing too much with firefox	Mar 11 07:22
msb__	unless it's bad memory, I'm gonna have to spend $800+ for an 8x times faster computer that I don't need.	Mar 11 07:23
msb__	Now I have to set up all those konsoles and mcs (as I use them)	Mar 11 07:24
msb__	It was that Quantum Apocalypse movie! Looking it up stranged out my computer!	Mar 11 07:26
cubezzz	lol	Mar 11 07:30
cubezzz	why don't you buy an old box with a p3 coppermine cpu	Mar 11 07:30
cubezzz	I've had uptimes over a year with those	Mar 11 07:30
cubezzz	heat is the enemy, less heat means greater reliability	Mar 11 07:33
msb__	http://hf.dilbert.com/2014-03-10/	Mar 11 07:37
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msb__	My computer has been cool ever since I blew the dust out a couple days ago. The temp sensors say so.	Mar 11 07:38
msb__	I used to have uptimes over a year too, except for power outages.	Mar 11 07:38
msb__	When my cpu or mobo goes out, which is about every 5-8 years, I get a new 'puter that's about 8 times faster, and is, not state of the art, but at the sweet spot / cheap spot.	Mar 11 07:42
msb__	About $150 each for cpu, mobo, ram, case, psu.	Mar 11 07:42
msb__	That movie has an imdb rating of 3.0, and the review is titled "Unbelievably awful #@!$&".	Mar 11 07:47
msb__	"A group of talented but rebellious 'rock-star scientists'"	Mar 11 07:48
msb__	WTF is a rock-star scientist?	Mar 11 07:49
msb__	I may even watch it instead of watching Carrie-Anne Moss deal with some severe emergencies in Mars orbit, and even take a shower.	Mar 11 07:51
msb__	I'm gonna get you for this cubezzz!	Mar 11 07:51
MinceR	it's an astrophysicist specialized on rocks and stars, i guess	Mar 11 07:51
msb__	And according to the wiki article, they kill the thing by shooting a nuclear missile at it. Couldn't they just once piss on it or something, which would start a catalytic reaction and destroy it?	Mar 11 07:53
msb__	Hmm, the Earth is saved by the autistic brother Terry. Maybe he does piss on the thing.	Mar 11 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Social Music Apps for Android	Mar 11 07:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google will soon launch Android developer SDK	Mar 11 07:57
TweetTuxMachines	for wearable tech http://t.co/Vpt22sfn80	Mar 11 07:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu, Ubuntu, and Red Hat	Mar 11 07:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ztYEtK2s7t	Mar 11 07:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chinese phone maker Meizu arrives in France	Mar 11 07:57
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msb__	"Social music" The mind boggles.	Mar 11 08:00
MinceR	http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/picdump-1056-2-1.jpg	Mar 11 08:10
cubezzz	msb_, my server is from 1998 :)	Mar 11 08:21
msb__	cubezzz: Very good! Supposedly there was some Linux server in an out-of-the-way place that got plastered over and lost for many years until someone tracked the cables to it. And it was still running.	Mar 11 08:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ojuba http://t.co/MERKzjS2FD	Mar 11 09:24
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MinceR	http://img.izismile.com/img/img7/20140310/1000/daily_gifdump_571_14.gif	Mar 11 10:28
Sosumi	EA, a company much worst than valve	Mar 11 10:48
Sosumi	*worse	Mar 11 10:48
Sosumi	specially at gouging its customers	Mar 11 10:48
Sosumi	is launching titanfall for 79€	Mar 11 10:49
Sosumi	lol	Mar 11 10:49
Sosumi	I just don't get the price hikes on games	Mar 11 10:50
Sosumi	compared to past gen and the generation before	Mar 11 10:50
Sosumi	and even less when the distribution method is digital	Mar 11 10:50
Sosumi	and no one gets to own the game at all	Mar 11 10:50
Sosumi	it's just an indefinite lease	Mar 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft to cut on software development, focus	Mar 11 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	on ads http://t.co/XpwtSKdA5a	Mar 11 10:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My New Linux Ultrabook: The ASUS Zenbook	Mar 11 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	UX301LA-DH71T http://t.co/SnfwfmlS9T	Mar 11 10:56
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Sosumi	also, on the anniversary of the gozilla quake in japan	Mar 11 11:14
Sosumi	japs want to boast ties with poortugal	Mar 11 11:15
Sosumi	aka ship their radioactive produce here	Mar 11 11:15
Sosumi	*boost	Mar 11 11:15
Sosumi	damm fingers hitting the wrong keys	Mar 11 11:16
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Sosumi	as for m$, I had said it	Mar 11 11:42
Sosumi	Satya Nutella was part of the Balmer echo chamber	Mar 11 11:42
Sosumi	so it was expected for them to continue following their strategy into the abyss	Mar 11 11:43
Sosumi	instead of focusing on software	Mar 11 11:43
Sosumi	and leaving things like search and adds as a hobby project	Mar 11 11:44
MinceR	geekings	Mar 11 12:04
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MinceR	http://therearenosunglasses.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/cartoon-44.jpg	Mar 11 12:54
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Sosumi	and now is the CIA on the news	Mar 11 13:48
Sosumi	well but not with as much coverage as the NSA has been getting	Mar 11 13:48
Sosumi	thanks to the CIA agent Snowden	Mar 11 13:48
Sosumi	it is quite obvious that the NSA and CIA weren't conceived to spy on each other	Mar 11 13:49
Sosumi	but the CIA would have a lot to gain if the NSA got heavily crippled or dissolved	Mar 11 13:49
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genome26	I really hate reading planet gnome these days	Mar 11 13:50
Sosumi	also the malasya airlines plane	Mar 11 13:50
genome26	it's always so full of pro-Mono crap	Mar 11 13:51
Sosumi	can be found in a dirac sea near you	Mar 11 13:51
Sosumi	:)	Mar 11 13:51
Sosumi	then don't use gnome	Mar 11 13:51
genome26	have you seen this? http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2014/03/gmime-gets-speed-boost.html	Mar 11 13:51
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genome26	at first, you're reading along and think "hey, this is cool"	Mar 11 13:52
genome26	and then the author goes and has to pimp out Mono saying it's faster than native code	Mar 11 13:52
genome26	why do the gnomne people tolerate this insolence?	Mar 11 13:53
Sosumi	no-mono and seriously no clang	Mar 11 13:53
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 11 13:53
MinceR	the gnome people have apparently accepted mono already	Mar 11 13:54
MinceR	afaik tomboy is (or at least was) an official part of gnome	Mar 11 13:54
MinceR	that's a big wtf in itself	Mar 11 13:54
Sosumi	.net makes no sense on linux	Mar 11 13:54
genome26	yea	Mar 11 13:54
Sosumi	as it doesn't make any sense to use llvm/clang on gnu/linux either	Mar 11 13:55
Sosumi	clang is in fact the apple fork of llvm	Mar 11 13:56
MinceR	i thought it was a compiler for llvm	Mar 11 13:56
MinceR	that turned c[++?] code into whatever bytecode llvm runs	Mar 11 13:57
Sosumi	yes, that	Mar 11 13:57
Sosumi	sry the last time I used xcode it still run gcc	Mar 11 13:58
Sosumi	*ran	Mar 11 13:58
genome26	I didn't even know what clang or llvm was	Mar 11 13:58
genome26	I heard of them before but forgot	Mar 11 13:59
Sosumi	mono, llvm, clang = things to shove into the garbage bin	Mar 11 14:00
genome26	yea, and add gmime to that list too	Mar 11 14:01
Sosumi	also for the folks looking into the sharp 4k display	Mar 11 14:02
Sosumi	stay away from it like	Mar 11 14:02
genome26	now that I know a pro-mono moron is behind it	Mar 11 14:02
genome26	I think my news reader uses it unfortunately	Mar 11 14:02
genome26	which is the only gnome program I use anymore	Mar 11 14:02
Sosumi	it easily burns and under display port multistream you lose display synch, forcing the display to restart itself	Mar 11 14:03
Sosumi	same can be expected for the asus rebrand	Mar 11 14:04
Sosumi	as it uses the same igzo panel	Mar 11 14:04
MinceR	Sosumi: so, is llvm bad also?	Mar 11 14:04
Sosumi	llvm is mainly bad for not being gpl	Mar 11 14:05
Sosumi	so instead of diverging focus to it	Mar 11 14:05
Sosumi	the focus should be directed into making gcc the best	Mar 11 14:05
MinceR	ic	Mar 11 14:05
genome26	the llvm website smears gdb saying its slow compared to theirs	Mar 11 14:10
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Sosumi	propaganda, propaganda, propaganda	Mar 11 15:31
Sosumi	also, crytek finished porting cryengine to linux	Mar 11 15:32
Sosumi	but no idea if that includes the entire sdk	Mar 11 15:32
Sosumi	fromwhat I've seen before	Mar 11 15:32
Sosumi	cryengine sdk could be ordered to output the rendered sandbox on a target platform	Mar 11 15:34
Sosumi	say, the ps3 or osx	Mar 11 15:34
Sosumi	but the sdk itself was windows only	Mar 11 15:34
Sosumi	just like the unreal sdk	Mar 11 15:34
Sosumi	so, support may be just for distribution, instead of the full fledged sdk	Mar 11 15:35
Sosumi	which is unfortunate	Mar 11 15:36
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	Well, a damaged ego can cause people to keep insisting that they're right even after it's been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they were wrong.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	At this point, they have their honor invested in the Big Lie, and don't want to back out of it because it would force them to admit that they were deceived.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	People who are the victims of medical quackery like megadoses of herbs and vitamins who do not improve will tell other people that they did in order to save face.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	My grandparents got involved in some pyramid schemes back in the 90s, and lost over $10,000. They were telling people that they were in on some hot investment opportunities, even while they were losing their shirts.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	I remember two schemes by name that my grandparents got in on in the 90s.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	One was called Destiny Telecommunications. You got in by paying some money to be a "sales consultant" and sell phone cards to people. It turned out that the phone cards only had 20-30 minutes on them, even the ones that said they were good for several hours. The people running the scam did go to prison, as I recall, but the nature of those scams is that by the time the FBI busts them, there's almost never any money left, and the victims get back	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	pennies on the dollar.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	The other one they got taken by was called "King's Vitamins", which was going around recruiting people at churches to sell their vitamins.	Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFC	My grandparents got in so deep with King's Vitamins that they fell behind on their payments on their Cadillac car and had a repo company come take it back. To save face, they insisted to everyone who asked where the Cadillac went that "the engine burned up".	Mar 11 15:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CryEngine to fully support Linux	Mar 11 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YeUyvrQwda	Mar 11 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtg9k	Mar 11 16:29
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Sosumi	no confirmation if it is just as the final product or also the sdk	Mar 11 16:42
Sosumi	DaemonFC, never heard about social darwinism?	Mar 11 16:44
Sosumi	it is that	Mar 11 16:44
Sosumi	you just described	Mar 11 16:45
DaemonFC	Greed.	Mar 11 16:49
DaemonFC	That movie "The Flim Flam Man" was a good one.	Mar 11 16:49
DaemonFC	The con man said "You can't cheat an honest man."	Mar 11 16:49
DaemonFC	People that fall for con games are looking to get ahead even though they really know that something's not right.	Mar 11 16:50
DaemonFC	Anyone who promises to triple your money is sending up a huge red flag.	Mar 11 16:50
Sosumi	again, social darwinism	Mar 11 16:52
Sosumi	preying upon the week	Mar 11 16:52
Sosumi	*weak	Mar 11 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat fast-tracks Docker apps for Enterprise	Mar 11 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/IxEvXoAax1	Mar 11 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtgp3	Mar 11 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Ubuntu Animosity Misplaced?	Mar 11 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pxXb7tiY3l	Mar 11 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtgp4	Mar 11 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CeBIT: Ubuntu smartphones to cost between $200	Mar 11 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	and $400 http://t.co/hSGWGvUwBO	Mar 11 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtgp6	Mar 11 17:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is Ubuntu Animosity Misplaced? \| Tux Machines		Mar 11 17:10
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DaemonFC	ohhh	Mar 11 17:50
DaemonFC	Mesa 10.0 just got backported to Fedora 20.	Mar 11 17:50
DaemonFC	10.0.3	Mar 11 17:51
DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.html	Mar 11 17:51
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DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.1.html	Mar 11 17:51
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DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.2.html	Mar 11 17:51
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DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.3.html	Mar 11 17:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links in Techrights http://t.co/EyUhDUNwS3	Mar 11 18:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gthj2	Mar 11 18:53
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cubezzz	yes, flash is still a problem	Mar 11 19:10
cubezzz	it's used to hide stuff	Mar 11 19:11
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sebsebseb	hi	Mar 11 19:20
cubezzz	adobe changed flash 10.1 so a lot of the ways to capture video wouldn't work	Mar 11 19:24
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cubezzz	thus flash >= 11 is a pain to deal with	Mar 11 19:24
DaemonFC	I posted this on Amazon in regard to Apple and Microsoft's patent trolling of Android:	Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFC	I just don't want to see Android and Firefox OS chased off the market by devices from Microsoft and Apple that really aren't all that good at all.	Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFC	Even the minimal improvements that Microsoft and Apple make between generations of phones would slow or stop if there was no Android challenging them, and moving the technology forward.	Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFC	It would be like that time where Internet Explorer 6 had 97% of the browser market, and Microsoft openly declared that it would be the last major version of Internet Explorer ever. They were just going to stop and leave people with Internet Explorer 6 forever with basically no improvements.	Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFC	They even backed up that announcement by firing 90% of the IE team. Then they sneered at Firefox and let it get about 10 years ahead of Internet Explorer before they did anything about it at all.	Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFC	This is what companies like Microsoft and Apple do when there's nobody moving the game forward.	Mar 11 19:57
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msb__	Regarding: "<DaemonFC> People who are the victims of medical quackery like megadoses of herbs and vitamins who do not improve will tell other people that they did in order to save face."	Mar 11 20:23
msb__	It's important to know that what is called "megadose" of Vitamin C really is not.	Mar 11 20:23
msb__	The govt RDA of vit C is about 200mg, which is enough to prevent scurvy and some other severe deficiency diseases, but it is nowhere near the amount that we need.	Mar 11 20:25
msb__	When we were living in trees we lost the last enzyme in the chain that makes ascorbic acid, because we were getting several grams/day from fruit.	Mar 11 20:26
cubezzz	msb_, I got something for you	Mar 11 20:26
cubezzz	computerworld from 1972	Mar 11 20:27
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/cw-1972-may-03.tar.gz	Mar 11 20:27
msb__	Animals other than great apes (and maybe guinea pigs) make about 5 grams/day when healthy, and up to 70grams/day when they have a viral infection.	Mar 11 20:27
cubezzz	how much vitamin C should we per day?	Mar 11 20:29
cubezzz	should we take	Mar 11 20:29
msb__	3 metric tons	Mar 11 20:29
msb__	No, actually about 5 grams/day.	Mar 11 20:30
msb__	Or if you're feeling low, 5 grams twice a day.	Mar 11 20:32
cubezzz	yeah it's hard to know if your getting enough nutrition from the food you eat	Mar 11 20:33
msb__	Generally you're not, and it's worth a buck a day or so to take supplements.	Mar 11 20:34
msb__	fish oil, various antioxidants, Bs, C, ubiquinol, sublingual B12, minerals, A (carotene), D3,...	Mar 11 20:36
msb__	Especially as one gets older and doesn't make or absorb nutrients that we used to.	Mar 11 20:37
msb__	Like B12. Very important, but useless orally, except under the tongue.	Mar 11 20:37
msb__	That's why middle-aged an older people get B12 shots. But sublingual is just as good.	Mar 11 20:40
Sosumi	well, I think I jst overdosed myself with vit c	Mar 11 20:46
msb__	cubezzz: What should I be looking for in those computerworld pages?	Mar 11 20:46
msb__	Sosumi: How much did you take?	Mar 11 20:46
cubezzz	actually that issue isn't terribly interesting	Mar 11 20:46
cubezzz	try this one:	Mar 11 20:46
msb__	Less than 1 metric ton is safe.	Mar 11 20:46
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/cw-1979-dec-24.tar.gz	Mar 11 20:47
Sosumi	4 oranges and a ton of strawberries	Mar 11 20:47
Sosumi	and a couple slices of pineapple	Mar 11 20:47
Sosumi	and 5 apples	Mar 11 20:48
cubezzz	msb__, I just find looking at historical computer info is interesting	Mar 11 20:48
msb__	Sosumi: That amount of C won't hurt you certainly, probably 60 grams at once wouldn't, although it might give you a stomache ache and diarearia.	Mar 11 20:49
Sosumi	I was just joking	Mar 11 20:49
Sosumi	I eat that everyday	Mar 11 20:49
msb__	Speaking of which, I'd stay near a toilet for a couple of days, or wear diapers.	Mar 11 20:49
Sosumi	with no issues at all	Mar 11 20:49
Sosumi	in order to replenish my vitamin stock from the abuses of the day	Mar 11 20:50
Sosumi	specially the ones that come associated with weight lifting	Mar 11 20:50
msb__	Trouble is, you'd have to eat a very wide variety of foods to get the trace nutrients you need. Much easier with pills.	Mar 11 20:51
Sosumi	I've tried that	Mar 11 20:52
msb__	Sosumi: I guess if you lift weights your anal sphincter is very strong?	Mar 11 20:52
Sosumi	but ended up having stomach disconfort	Mar 11 20:52
msb__	From what?	Mar 11 20:52
Sosumi	vit supplements	Mar 11 20:53
Sosumi	even the weaker ones	Mar 11 20:53
cubezzz	I hate taking pills with lots of iron in them	Mar 11 20:53
cubezzz	they taste really gross	Mar 11 20:53
msb__	Eat them with a little food.	Mar 11 20:53
Sosumi	ho but I did	Mar 11 20:53
msb__	iron is bad for you unless you're low in hemoglobin	Mar 11 20:54
msb__	Sosumi: never heard that from anyone else, except a few with stomach upset from Vit. C. Which you can eliminate by neutralizing its acidity with CaCO3 or MgCO3.	Mar 11 20:55
Sosumi	well, I'm an anomaly :)	Mar 11 20:56
Sosumi	but I try to compensate it through food	Mar 11 20:56
Sosumi	and it has been ok	Mar 11 20:56
msb__	Like the weird surgeon said, "Suture self."	Mar 11 20:57
Sosumi	german accent Suit Yourself	Mar 11 20:58
Sosumi	much cooler	Mar 11 20:58
msb__	cubezzz: Old mainframes don't do much for me, but old minis, micros, kits, etc, do, 'cause that's what I worked with.	Mar 11 21:01
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msb__	about 10 years ago, a friend told me he had congestive heart failure and was gonna die in a few months.	Mar 11 21:04
msb__	I got him on Co-Q10 and carnitine, and all his symptoms disappeared. He's alive and healthy to this day.	Mar 11 21:05
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msb__	See the Vit C, rheumatic, and cancer pages linked in the pink section of my site cosmicpenguin.com.	Mar 11 21:09
msb__	Alternative medicine can be very helpful.	Mar 11 21:09
MinceR	avoiding real medicine and relying only on it can be very harmful, though :>	Mar 11 21:18
msb__	True. Use the best of both, and research your medical problems. You are the case supervisor. I've frequently found doctors not knowing what's in wikipedia about some commonly used drugs.	Mar 11 21:20
MinceR	:>	Mar 11 21:21
msb__	MinceR: Alternative medicine is real medicine. Establishment medicine is tainted and censored by profiteering.	Mar 11 21:21
MinceR	"establishment" medicine is also underpinned by the scientific method	Mar 11 21:22
MinceR	and rigorous testing of products	Mar 11 21:22
MinceR	and methods	Mar 11 21:22
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msb__	It often totally ignores what isn't profitable. Vitamin C can be lifesaving in serious viral infections, but drug companies can't make money on it, so it doesn't get advertised or published in medical journals. Most doctors don't know what natural doses of it can do.	Mar 11 21:30
msb__	But they tell you to take a flu shot every year that's full of mercury and sometimes aluminum and sqalene.	Mar 11 21:31
MinceR	what evidence is there for massive doses of vitamin C being effective at all?	Mar 11 21:31
MinceR	flu shots in particular i'm not too sure of, as i've never had serious issues from flu infections	Mar 11 21:32
MinceR	but vaccines in general are pretty well proven	Mar 11 21:32
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MinceR	(especially in light of recent spreads of diseases among antivaccination people)	Mar 11 21:33
msb__	http://web.archive.org/web/20130302070632/http://www.orthomed.com/	Mar 11 21:33
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MinceR	i see no mention of clinical trials	Mar 11 21:33
msb__	It's a huge site.	Mar 11 21:34
MinceR	except maybe "Trial of ascorbate cure = 0"	Mar 11 21:34
MinceR	which tells me exactly nothing	Mar 11 21:34
MinceR	it's a badly edited site.	Mar 11 21:34
msb__	Well, there's your excuse to ignore it.	Mar 11 21:35
msb__	BTW, Cathcart is dead.	Mar 11 21:35
MinceR	uh huh	Mar 11 21:35
MinceR	http://timecube.com/	Mar 11 21:35
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Sosumi	the thing about vaccines are the adjuvants and certain non really tested vaccines	Mar 11 21:37
Sosumi	as for the flu vaccine	Mar 11 21:37
MinceR	yes, a lot of scare with no proof	Mar 11 21:37
Sosumi	why not run the virus through an evolutionary algorithm	Mar 11 21:38
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msb__	Also unknown viruses that get in the tissues used for virus production. Like monkey cancer viruses in the polio vaccines that cause a 3x increase in soft-tissue cancers.	Mar 11 21:39
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Sosumi	I thought that they used eggs to incubate the viruses	Mar 11 21:40
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msb__	Some, not all. And most still contain mercury.	Mar 11 21:41
msb__	Very bad for the brain, if you care.	Mar 11 21:42
Sosumi	yes I know	Mar 11 21:42
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Sosumi	that was I mentioned at first the issue with the adjuvants	Mar 11 21:42
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msb__	sure. Also aluminum and squalene, which can cause autoimmune disease.	Mar 11 21:43
msb__	Al causes alzheimers.	Mar 11 21:43
MinceR	i wonder what the proof for that is	Mar 11 21:43
MinceR	and if it's even relevant to the dosage present in vaccines at all	Mar 11 21:43
MinceR	not to mention what compound that "mercury" and "aluminum" is present in	Mar 11 21:44
msb__	In the 90s, a bunch of kidney patients got dialized against tapwater with high Al content. They got very fast alzheimers. Also the characteristic "neurofibrillary tangles" in Alz brains have 80x as much Al in them as other tissues.	Mar 11 21:46
msb__	dialyzed	Mar 11 21:46
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msb__	Duplicated by injecting rats.	Mar 11 21:47
msb__	As to quantity and compound, I don't want any thank you very much.	Mar 11 21:47
Sosumi	the aluminum thing is true	Mar 11 21:47
Sosumi	as for the concentration of adverse adjuvants on the vaccine	Mar 11 21:48
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 11 21:48
Sosumi	but I agree on being safer than sorry	Mar 11 21:48
Sosumi	but given portugal's vaccination program	Mar 11 21:49
msb__	Here's a fun read: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970914&slug=2560362	Mar 11 21:49
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Sosumi	there is nothing to worry abount	Mar 11 21:49
Sosumi	I know about	Mar 11 21:49
msb__	nothing to worry about... nothing to worry about... nothing to worry about...	Mar 11 21:50
MinceR	"tapwater with high Al content" is very different from "vaccine containing thiomersal"	Mar 11 21:51
MinceR	224715 < msb__> As to quantity and compound, I don't want any thank you very much.	Mar 11 21:51
MinceR	see, this has nothing to do with the scientific method	Mar 11 21:51
MinceR	or modern medicine.	Mar 11 21:51
msb__	Of course, two different poisons.	Mar 11 21:51
MinceR	also, apparently thiomersal was already phased out of many vaccines	Mar 11 21:52
MinceR	even though there's no convincing evidence about the harm	Mar 11 21:52
MinceR	and pretty much everything is a poison, in the right dose	Mar 11 21:52
MinceR	so dosage _is_ important	Mar 11 21:52
MinceR	for example, oxygen can be poisonous at too high doses, but try living without it	Mar 11 21:53
MinceR	as for vaccines, the proper way to determine risk would probably be via real clinical trial, not speculation based on what element was found where.	Mar 11 21:53
MinceR	apparently in the case of O2, pressure is important as well as concentration	Mar 11 21:54
MinceR	(space suits use low pressure pure O2)	Mar 11 21:54
MinceR	water can be poisonous as well	Mar 11 21:54
MinceR	etc.	Mar 11 21:55
msb__	So can stupidity.	Mar 11 21:55
MinceR	not in the same sense	Mar 11 21:55
Sosumi	play nice folks	Mar 11 21:58
MinceR	also, thiomersal will probably not harm you. but pertussis will kill you. :>	Mar 11 22:00
MinceR	and so will TBC.	Mar 11 22:00
Sosumi	just remember what dalton said	Mar 11 22:00
Sosumi	everything is poison and nothing is poison	Mar 11 22:01
Sosumi	it's just a matter of quantity	Mar 11 22:01
MinceR	:>	Mar 11 22:02
Sosumi	gn	Mar 11 22:03
MinceR	o/	Mar 11 22:03
MinceR	squalene is (allegedly) mostly used for non-human vaccines and might even be beneficial	Mar 11 22:04
MinceR	also, squalene is a vital part of the synthesis of sterols, including cholesterol and vitamin D -- so the "Al in water => Al is evil" theory would mean no vitamin D or lipoproteins for you :>	Mar 11 22:08
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MinceR	http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aEwO0Ln_460sa.gif	Mar 11 22:41
msb__	MinceR: what is TBC?	Mar 11 23:27
MinceR	oops, they call it TB in english	Mar 11 23:28
MinceR	tuberculosis	Mar 11 23:28
MinceR	gn	Mar 11 23:31
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msb__	I have done extensive trials on Vit C for viruses -- 50 years on myself for colds and flu, a couple of cats, and a 5-year old with measles (of course with doses scaled to body weight). In all cases there was relief of symptoms within 1-3 hours, and eventual return of symptoms a few hours after that, whereupon I began continuous treatment for a few days.	Mar 12 01:46
msb__	Since the cats and kid didn't know what they were getting, that was a blind experiment. I've also given it to various adults, with the same results.	Mar 12 01:47
msb__	The results all agreed with the findings of Cathcart, Pauling, Klenner (who consistently cured polio with C), and others, I regard the action of C against viral infections as proven beyond doubt.	Mar 12 01:50
msb__	Too bad MinceR has gone, I'm sure he would disagree!	Mar 12 01:51
msb__	Incidentally, testing of new drugs in the US is done by the manufacturer, not by the FDA.	Mar 12 01:53
msb__	Once upon a time, I was involved in the testing of a medical device that was already being sold. I found that it could kill the patient. Did the mfr tell the FDA? No, they fired me.	Mar 12 01:54
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DaemonFC	Winter Storm Vulcan is about to pass over me.	Mar 12 04:40
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msb__	DaemonFC: Vulcan?? Is it a Hot Hail storm? That's Ming the Merciless attacking!	Mar 12 05:16
msb__	If only we could block the rays from his Nitron Lamp!	Mar 12 05:17
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MinceR	msb__: wow, a sample of 2 people and a few cats. surely that must measure up to real clinical trials!	Mar 12 06:46
MinceR	not to mention double-blind testing	Mar 12 06:47
msb__	MinceR: dozens of people and dozens of times on me.	Mar 12 06:59
DaemonFC	schestowitz: http://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/valve-has-posted-their-direct3d-to-opengl-translation-layer-onto-github.3248/	Mar 12 07:01
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msb__	The only clinical trials by FDA -related orgs used only about 2 grams of C/day and so found no effect. But the ghouls are very eager to ban it. For our own good of course.	Mar 12 07:01
msb__	Klenner cured lots of children of polio.	Mar 12 07:02
MinceR	ban it?	Mar 12 07:04
MinceR	isn't vitamin c available over the counter?	Mar 12 07:05
DaemonFC	MinceR: Yes. In several forms.	Mar 12 07:06
DaemonFC	You should take Ester-C if you want to take more than the RDA and don't want to risk developing kidney stones though.	Mar 12 07:06
MinceR	i wasn't aware of that risk	Mar 12 07:06
DaemonFC	http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/high-dose-vitamin-c-linked-to-kidney-stones-in-men-201302055854	Mar 12 07:08
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DaemonFC	MinceR: Kidney stones are incredibly painful.	Mar 12 07:12
DaemonFC	That and diarrhea are the only two proven health effects of massive vitamin C doses.	Mar 12 07:12
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 12 07:13
MinceR	:>	Mar 12 07:13
DaemonFC	MinceR: This should tell you how fat people are getting.	Mar 12 07:14
DaemonFC	The government suggests "making water more appealing".	Mar 12 07:14
DaemonFC	Your internal organs fail without it, and then you die.	Mar 12 07:14
DaemonFC	Is water appealing enough now? :)	Mar 12 07:14
MinceR	i think they mean it as opposed to beverages with sugar, which are also mostly water :>	Mar 12 07:15
DaemonFC	One can of Coke has 14 tablespoons of sugar in it.	Mar 12 07:16
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 12 07:16
DaemonFC	err	Mar 12 07:17
DaemonFC	teaspoons	Mar 12 07:17
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MinceR	:)	Mar 12 07:17
DaemonFC	it's disgustingly sweet	Mar 12 07:17
DaemonFC	I don't know how people drink it.	Mar 12 07:17
DaemonFC	I'd rather have water any day.	Mar 12 07:18
DaemonFC	http://gawker.com/man-calls-911-after-hostile-22-pound-cat-traps-family-1541215196	Mar 12 07:18
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DaemonFC	He kicked the cat in the butt.	Mar 12 07:19
DaemonFC	Big mistake!	Mar 12 07:19
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 12 07:19
schestowitz__	lol	Mar 12 07:19
schestowitz__	"there is a giant cat in my house"	Mar 12 07:19
schestowitz__	operator: "tiger?"	Mar 12 07:19
MinceR	it's not disgustingly sweet because all that sugar is balanced somewhat by carbonic acid and phosphoric acid :>	Mar 12 07:19
DaemonFC	Calling 911 over a housecat...	Mar 12 07:21
MinceR	i wasn't aware that meowing was a signal of hostility :>	Mar 12 07:22
DaemonFC	It's hard to imagine Jabba ever acting like that.	Mar 12 07:22
DaemonFC	He sleeps on my arm usually. He's a good cat.	Mar 12 07:23
DaemonFC	He curls up on my lap and watches tv with me.	Mar 12 07:23
DaemonFC	He actually does pay attention to what's on the tv.	Mar 12 07:23
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msb__	According to the article, "high" dose C raises the incidence of kidney stones in men from 1% to 2%. 99% of men who take it and 100% of women, have no increased kidney stones.	Mar 12 08:15
msb__	The article lies when it says there are no health benefits. My site links to several, and Cathcart's to even more.	Mar 12 08:16
msb__	"Ester-C	Mar 12 08:16
msb__	The name "Ester-C" is a lie. I've looked at the package. It's calcium ascorbate, exactly what you don't want to take if your body is unusually good at converting ascorbate to oxalate, which forms kidney stones with Ca.	Mar 12 08:18
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MinceR	geekings	Mar 12 11:08
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MinceR	http://hacksandstuff.com/science/paper-microscope-97-cents-by-stanford-scientists_1234268.html	Mar 12 12:21
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MinceR	http://www.cityam.com/article/1394504131/venezuela-s-mad-socialist-experiment-destroying-nation	Mar 12 15:00
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MinceR	so much for that dream world	Mar 12 15:00
Sosumi	when is taken to the extremes	Mar 12 15:05
Sosumi	yes	Mar 12 15:05
Sosumi	just like the US	Mar 12 15:05
MinceR	they can't even provide enough toilet paper to their people^Wserfs	Mar 12 15:08
Sosumi	well	Mar 12 15:08
Sosumi	there are tent cities in the US with people that dropped out of the labor market and can't find a job	Mar 12 15:09
Sosumi	which don't even account for the unemployment %	Mar 12 15:09
Sosumi	same also happens in japan	Mar 12 15:09
Sosumi	with cardboard cities	Mar 12 15:09
Sosumi	it is like I just said	Mar 12 15:10
Sosumi	when certain things are taken to the extreme	Mar 12 15:10
Sosumi	no good outcome can come out of that	Mar 12 15:10
Sosumi	did I forget detroit?	Mar 12 15:10
MinceR	maybe the turbo-republicans will succeed at destroying the economy to the point where they can sell cheap labor like the PRC does now :>	Mar 12 15:10
Sosumi	cheap labor?	Mar 12 15:11
Sosumi	more like sweat shop labor	Mar 12 15:11
MinceR	indeed.	Mar 12 15:11
MinceR	modern slavery	Mar 12 15:11
Sosumi	those folks don't even earn the required money to buy what they manufacture	Mar 12 15:11
Sosumi	and then you have companies	Mar 12 15:12
Sosumi	putting 90% markups on products	Mar 12 15:12
Sosumi	hey, like apple does	Mar 12 15:12
Sosumi	which is an exaggeration	Mar 12 15:14
Sosumi	other companies do that too, just to sound premium	Mar 12 15:15
Sosumi	like samsung was doing with the galaxy s4	Mar 12 15:15
Sosumi	by releasing it at the same price as the iphone	Mar 12 15:15
Sosumi	to them lower the price by 200€ in 2 months	Mar 12 15:15
MinceR	because the idiotic buyers believe that the hypePhone is premium and that it's worth its price	Mar 12 15:17
Sosumi	but the s4 isn't premium either	Mar 12 15:17
MinceR	at least the s4 is a smartphone	Mar 12 15:18
MinceR	and a high-end one at that, iirc	Mar 12 15:18
Sosumi	one is a piece of crippled crap with fancy looks	Mar 12 15:18
MinceR	i wonder if samsung is still pushing region locking	Mar 12 15:18
Sosumi	the other is turd made of plastic that doesn't get the updates at the same time google updates android	Mar 12 15:18
Sosumi	and yes	Mar 12 15:18
Sosumi	the region locking	Mar 12 15:19
Sosumi	which makes no sense	Mar 12 15:19
MinceR	only nexus devices get the updates when google updates android	Mar 12 15:19
MinceR	and there are good reasons for some of the delays	Mar 12 15:19
Sosumi	but samsung could at least use a metallic frame on their phones to add some resistance to screen	Mar 12 15:20
Sosumi	just in case someone accidentally sited on the phone	Mar 12 15:21
Sosumi	or applied some pressure	Mar 12 15:21
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Sosumi	or at least make the phone bulky	Mar 12 15:21
Sosumi	if they must indeed use plastic	Mar 12 15:22
Sosumi	it is just bad that the htc is kind of going under	Mar 12 15:22
Sosumi	simply because the htc one is kind of the model to follow	Mar 12 15:23
msb__	http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855	Mar 12 15:25
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MinceR	how do metal frames do in drop tests?	Mar 12 15:25
Sosumi	they get scratches	Mar 12 15:25
MinceR	sure, but does the display stay in one piece, does the phone keep working?	Mar 12 15:26
MinceR	all the drop tests i've seen resulted in an unusable phone	Mar 12 15:26
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 15:27
Sosumi	I just mentioned into resistance to deformation	Mar 12 15:27
Sosumi	from sitting on the top of the phone	Mar 12 15:27
Sosumi	and even if the phone is made of plastic	Mar 12 15:27
Sosumi	those smartphonesa with big screen	Mar 12 15:28
msb__	US support for fascist groups in Venezuela, and US media lying that the V govt is the source of the violence is the same strategy that the US just used in Ukraine.	Mar 12 15:28
Sosumi	I recomend to never let them fall	Mar 12 15:28
Sosumi	venezuela, US sponsored opposition promoting distabilization and bolivar governement not being of much help to the future survival of the country	Mar 12 15:29
Sosumi	of which in my opinion, was modeled after chaves personality	Mar 12 15:30
Sosumi	and dies with him	Mar 12 15:30
Sosumi	*died	Mar 12 15:30
msb__	Sadly, MinceR favors the US and the internal fascists in both cases, posting an article calling socialism a "mad experiment", and in his comment, a "dream world".	Mar 12 15:31
Sosumi	socialism is a mad experiment	Mar 12 15:31
msb__	Capitalism that is not severely regulated is a murderous psychopath experiment.	Mar 12 15:32
Sosumi	but so is anarcho/neo/degenerate-liberal and libertarian capitalism	Mar 12 15:32
msb__	same thing	Mar 12 15:33
Sosumi	that is why when it comes to those things	Mar 12 15:33
msb__	...capitalism that is not severely regulated	Mar 12 15:33
Sosumi	I recommend the balanced approach	Mar 12 15:33
msb__	Social democracy works.	Mar 12 15:34
Sosumi	with the required regulations and safety nets so that no one gets the shaft	Mar 12 15:34
msb__	So does democratic socialism when it isn't attacked by fascists.	Mar 12 15:34
Sosumi	and if they do get the shaft, well, at least try to minize the damage done	Mar 12 15:34
msb__	Sosumi: yes	Mar 12 15:34
Sosumi	also, social democracy doesn't work	Mar 12 15:35
Sosumi	people are too misguided	Mar 12 15:35
Sosumi	to the point they'd probably vote in for their own enslavement	Mar 12 15:35
msb__	That occurs because corporate media lies to them, so they don't know what's going on, and thus whom to vote for.	Mar 12 15:36
msb__	...for their own benefit.	Mar 12 15:36
Sosumi	corporate media tells what fits the needs of their parent companies	Mar 12 15:37
Sosumi	I wander since when was the duty of media to tell the truth	Mar 12 15:37
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Sosumi	I think, never	Mar 12 15:37
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msb__	Yes, which is exactly the opposite of what fits the needs of the people.	Mar 12 15:37
Sosumi	well, if the people don't know better	Mar 12 15:37
msb__	It was always the duty, but rarely the actuality.	Mar 12 15:38
Sosumi	let them suffer	Mar 12 15:38
msb__	That's an anti-human idea.	Mar 12 15:38
Sosumi	that is a realistic idea	Mar 12 15:38
msb__	So you think people should suffer if they are lied to by Bernays-style massive propaganda.	Mar 12 15:39
Sosumi	can you be stressed out by people of which you tell how things are	Mar 12 15:39
Sosumi	yest they continue to do the same over and over again	Mar 12 15:39
Sosumi	that is the very definition of madness	Mar 12 15:39
Sosumi	just like repeating the same experiment and expecting different result	Mar 12 15:40
Sosumi	*results	Mar 12 15:40
msb__	please reformulate. I could not parse that sentence starting with "can you..."	Mar 12 15:40
Sosumi	I'm working...	Mar 12 15:41
Sosumi	not even looked at the irc window	Mar 12 15:41
Sosumi	can you stress yourself out about people that even presented with the information	Mar 12 15:41
Sosumi	continue to do the same crap?	Mar 12 15:41
Sosumi	I can't	Mar 12 15:41
msb__	There are only a few people who access accurate info, ie, on the Web.	Mar 12 15:43
Sosumi	just on the web?	Mar 12 15:43
Sosumi	what about books	Mar 12 15:43
msb__	Pretty much.	Mar 12 15:43
msb__	They don't reach many people.	Mar 12 15:43
Sosumi	what about many of the ideals that still predominate today? like the works of malthus	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	what about Carrol quigley's books?	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	what about charles goulton darwin's books?	Mar 12 15:44
msb__	I just read that he was in favor of rule by a wealthy few.	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	they're probably on a library near you	Mar 12 15:44
msb__	(quigley)	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	all filled with dust	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	the info is there	Mar 12 15:45
Sosumi	for the ones that care to look at	Mar 12 15:45
msb__	They don't talk about current fascist takeovers, which is what people need to know about.	Mar 12 15:45
Sosumi	what about current "fascist" takeovers?	Mar 12 15:45
Sosumi	what ukraine?	Mar 12 15:45
msb__	Ukraine, Libya, attempts in Venezuela, Syria	Mar 12 15:46
Sosumi	there have been plenty of them through history	Mar 12 15:46
Sosumi	in order to formulate a pattern	Mar 12 15:46
Sosumi	if people actually cared to study historic precedents to war, revolutions and so on	Mar 12 15:47
Sosumi	they'd understand	Mar 12 15:47
msb__	People are programmed not to think by JCI religion, schooling, etc. They need to have the patterns described for them so they can easily understand.	Mar 12 15:48
Sosumi	that's a poor excuse	Mar 12 15:48
Sosumi	programming? what programming?	Mar 12 15:49
Sosumi	they just teach you at school the basics	Mar 12 15:49
msb__	No it isn't. The formulated fascist lies surround them on all sides.	Mar 12 15:49
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Sosumi	do you want to call the teaching of mathematics and physics	Mar 12 15:49
Sosumi	programming	Mar 12 15:49
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Sosumi	or chemistry or biology	Mar 12 15:50
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Sosumi	even on a middle grade to high school curricula	Mar 12 15:50
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Sosumi	I fail to notice the programming	Mar 12 15:50
msb__	No, at school -- grades 1 to 12 -- you are taught to believe what you're told, not question it, and regurgitate it, else you are punished.	Mar 12 15:50
Sosumi	I was never punished for questioning	Mar 12 15:51
msb__	Possibly the unnoticed programming is responsible for your belief that people who are flooded with lying propaganda deserve to suffer.	Mar 12 15:51
Sosumi	I just took the classes and at the end of the day would go to the library seek more info	Mar 12 15:51
Sosumi	well, they bring it onto themselves, don't they?	Mar 12 15:52
msb__	Can you see that JCI religion is programming not to think?	Mar 12 15:52
msb__	No, they don't.	Mar 12 15:52
Sosumi	well if they live confortably in their own ignorance, let them live	Mar 12 15:52
msb__	The psychopaths ordering the propaganda bring it onto them.	Mar 12 15:53
Sosumi	what good does a person like that bring	Mar 12 15:53
msb__	Not much, if they are programmed not to think.	Mar 12 15:53
Sosumi	ho yes, the poor victim who can't discern what is good and what is bad	Mar 12 15:53
msb__	Because they swim in a sea of lies.	Mar 12 15:53
Sosumi	do them?	Mar 12 15:54
msb__	That's the Bernays technique. Are you familiar with it?	Mar 12 15:54
Sosumi	or they just swim through their xbox library and tv channels	Mar 12 15:54
Sosumi	and do not care about anything else	Mar 12 15:54
Sosumi	because it is not in their comfort zone	Mar 12 15:55
msb__	So, apparently you have no empathy. Do you know the name of that condition?	Mar 12 15:55
Sosumi	empathy for what?	Mar 12 15:55
Sosumi	I deal with people every single day	Mar 12 15:55
msb__	For people who are so intensively lied to that they believe the lies.	Mar 12 15:55
Sosumi	I'm not going to put things inside their heads	Mar 12 15:56
msb__	?	Mar 12 15:56
Sosumi	I may point were to look	Mar 12 15:56
Sosumi	but they'll have to learn things by themselves	Mar 12 15:56
msb__	So, apparently you have no empathy. Do you know the name of that condition?	Mar 12 15:56
Sosumi	ho yes, I have a junior student asking me to solve him a calculus problem	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	so instead of giving him directions	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	I solve the exercise for him	Mar 12 15:57
msb__	Very different situation. He is not being lied to to prevent him from solving it.	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	and he learns nothing	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	same thing	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	one is a hard science the other is a human science	Mar 12 15:58
msb__	Do you know about Bernays technique for mind control?	Mar 12 15:58
Sosumi	what bernays technique	Mar 12 15:59
Sosumi	he may have written about it on porpaganda and his papaers	Mar 12 15:59
Sosumi	but the techniques of human "herd" control	Mar 12 15:59
Sosumi	are much older	Mar 12 15:59
msb__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays	Mar 12 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Edward Bernays - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gttg2 ]		Mar 12 16:00
msb__	A good candidate for the most evil person to have ever lived.	Mar 12 16:00
Sosumi	is he? what about bertrand russel?	Mar 12 16:00
cubezzz	worst that Hitler? seems unlikely :)	Mar 12 16:01
Sosumi	shiklegruber was actually a kewl guy	Mar 12 16:01
Sosumi	at least, killed less than stalin and mao	Mar 12 16:01
Sosumi	but lets not forget the blood count bush senior/junior, clinton and obozo	Mar 12 16:03
msb__	Perhaps Microsoft has planted nazis in techrights to produce regime change.	Mar 12 16:03
Sosumi	and LBJ with the vietnam escalation	Mar 12 16:03
Sosumi	remember agent orange and all that?	Mar 12 16:04
Sosumi	maybe, just maybe, the kill count for vietnam was larger than hitlers kill count	Mar 12 16:05
Sosumi	and ppl continue suffering the repercussions to this day	Mar 12 16:06
msb__	You have changed the topic of conversation away from your total lack of empathy for populations lied to by ubiquitous fascist proganda.	Mar 12 16:06
Sosumi	so the kill counter is still ticking	Mar 12 16:06
Sosumi	what empathy?	Mar 12 16:06
msb__	Because you can't deal with that topic.	Mar 12 16:06
msb__	Exactly -- you have none. That is the definition of a sociopath/psychopath.	Mar 12 16:07
Sosumi	what empathy? again	Mar 12 16:07
msb__	You have changed the topic of conversation away from your total lack of empathy for populations lied to by ubiquitous fascist proganda.	Mar 12 16:07
Sosumi	for ppl who are too inept to break out of their comfort zones?	Mar 12 16:07
msb__	For people who don't know what reality is, because they are surrounded by lies, as in The Matrix.	Mar 12 16:08
Sosumi	cubezzz was the combo breaker	Mar 12 16:08
msb__	?	Mar 12 16:09
Sosumi	yet, as in the matrix some ppl were not ready to deal with the truth	Mar 12 16:09
Sosumi	so they couldn't be unplugged	Mar 12 16:09
Sosumi	and even at first neo had trouble accepting his new reality	Mar 12 16:10
Sosumi	so, I don't see what is the point	Mar 12 16:10
Sosumi	by mentioning the movie	Mar 12 16:10
Sosumi	which was bad	Mar 12 16:10
msb__	I'm talking about the vast majority of people who have not been "unplugged". You say they deserve the results of their programmed ignorance.	Mar 12 16:10
Sosumi	and cliché	Mar 12 16:10
cubezzz	as a hacker movie matrix wasn't very good	Mar 12 16:10
Sosumi	if they're not willing to think for themselves	Mar 12 16:11
Sosumi	well, they deserve everything they get	Mar 12 16:11
msb__	One of the most Conscious movies ever made, since it portrays the magnitude of the lying.	Mar 12 16:11
Sosumi	ho yes, here we go with the new age mantra	Mar 12 16:12
msb__	They can't think for themselves if they are denied truthful information and showered with lies.	Mar 12 16:12
Sosumi	consciousness! I tell ya	Mar 12 16:12
Sosumi	now here's a joint of marijuana	Mar 12 16:12
msb__	Consciousness is something you do not have.	Mar 12 16:12
Sosumi	well, actually now we entered into a paradigm	Mar 12 16:13
Sosumi	if they can't think for themselves	Mar 12 16:13
cubezzz	also the "code" in jurassic park was ridiculous :)	Mar 12 16:13
Sosumi	how can they decide if they are going to play xbox one ps3?	Mar 12 16:13
msb__	You're a programmed sociopathic robot.	Mar 12 16:13
Sosumi	*or	Mar 12 16:13
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/jurassic-code.jpg	Mar 12 16:14
Sosumi	ho yes, the evil sosumi	Mar 12 16:14
Sosumi	vs the messiah msb__	Mar 12 16:14
Sosumi	who thinks that by regurgitating alex jones is going to save everyone	Mar 12 16:14
cubezzz	alex jones was smart enough to interview Stallman :)	Mar 12 16:15
msb__	Jones is anti-socialist.	Mar 12 16:15
cubezzz	but yeah, Jones is crazy	Mar 12 16:15
Sosumi	because, hey AJ says "we" are winning, when in fact, "we" are losing, big time	Mar 12 16:15
Sosumi	plus, messiah msb__	Mar 12 16:16
Sosumi	you can't save them all	Mar 12 16:16
msb__	I and many others try to save some.	Mar 12 16:17
Sosumi	then good luck, grab your bullhorn and go yell at the street about the evil people	Mar 12 16:18
Sosumi	while everyone gives you a sight and thinks you're a raving lunatic	Mar 12 16:18
msb__	Calling me "messiah" is a lying propaganda technique: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman	Mar 12 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Mar 12 16:18
Sosumi	nop, it is referring to your mentality	Mar 12 16:20
msb__	Giving people accurate information is not being a "messiah".	Mar 12 16:20
Sosumi	but do the people want the information you're giving them?	Mar 12 16:21
Sosumi	did they ASK for it?	Mar 12 16:21
Sosumi	that goes to the point of saying jesus died to save us from our sin	Mar 12 16:22
Sosumi	but how many did actually want to be saved?	Mar 12 16:22
Sosumi	or actually knew what salvation was?	Mar 12 16:22
Sosumi	got the point?	Mar 12 16:22
Sosumi	messiah msb__	Mar 12 16:22
msb__	Obviously you don't, Sosumi. You have no empathy, you said "<Sosumi> shiklegruber was actually a kewl guy", and you are ignorant of Bernays.	Mar 12 16:22
cubezzz	I wouldn't give a linux disc to an Amish person :)	Mar 12 16:23
Sosumi	well, or the messiah msb__ would have to save them from the evils of technology	Mar 12 16:24
Sosumi	and then he would be called the luddite messiah msb__	Mar 12 16:24
cubezzz	people are pretty ignorant though	Mar 12 16:25
msb__	Wow, I have a whole new psychopath stalker!	Mar 12 16:25
Sosumi	although he kind of fits more on the context of the unibomber messiah msb__	Mar 12 16:25
cubezzz	but there has to be some level of willingness to learn for anyone to absorb useful info	Mar 12 16:25
Sosumi	follower of the church of ted kashinski	Mar 12 16:25
cubezzz	Kaczynski was a giant social misfit	Mar 12 16:26
Sosumi	but he did make valid points	Mar 12 16:26
Sosumi	on his manifesto	Mar 12 16:26
Sosumi	and would have made a great ethicist	Mar 12 16:27
msb__	Sosumi's heroes: Hitler and Ted Kaczynski.	Mar 12 16:29
cubezzz	except he bombed computer folks	Mar 12 16:29
cubezzz	kind of a downer	Mar 12 16:29
msb__	It's nice to have an IRC client that logs everything.	Mar 12 16:30
Sosumi	nop,	Mar 12 16:30
cubezzz	at least guys like Paul Ehrlich who wrote about the ills of society managed to not bomb people	Mar 12 16:30
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cubezzz	even if he wrote "The Population Bomb"	Mar 12 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source opening educational doors in Appalachia \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 16:31
Sosumi	Sosumi's heroes, Gotfried Leibnetz, Ben Franklin, Bill Cooper, Norbert Wiener	Mar 12 16:31
Sosumi	just to name a few	Mar 12 16:31
Sosumi	Paul fits into the neo-malthusion demagogy	Mar 12 16:32
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Sosumi	along with the john p holdren	Mar 12 16:32
Sosumi	which has been proven wrong and wrong time after time	Mar 12 16:33
Sosumi	about the ideas of limits to grow	Mar 12 16:33
Sosumi	and it goes as I say	Mar 12 16:33
Sosumi	this planet and solar system wont last forever	Mar 12 16:33
Sosumi	so, spread the population throughout the solar system at first and then the universe	Mar 12 16:34
Sosumi	and it would actually create a much better pretext for a perpetual peace	Mar 12 16:35
Sosumi	instead of the club of rome ideal	Mar 12 16:35
Sosumi	of having man as the "enemy" of the environment	Mar 12 16:36
Sosumi	again, neo-malthusianism	Mar 12 16:36
Sosumi	and jokingly or not	Mar 12 16:36
Sosumi	my approach is one of the options on the iron mountain protocol	Mar 12 16:37
Sosumi	that bill cooper used to boast about	Mar 12 16:37
Sosumi	back when he was still alive	Mar 12 16:37
cubezzz	that's a fine idea except there aren't any other planets we can live on	Mar 12 16:37
Sosumi	terraform mars?	Mar 12 16:37
Sosumi	isn't there water on the moon?	Mar 12 16:37
cubezzz	no atmosphere to speak of	Mar 12 16:38
cubezzz	rather a big problem	Mar 12 16:38
Sosumi	what about sending self assembly autonomous biospeheres	Mar 12 16:38
Sosumi	there aren't any yet?	Mar 12 16:38
Sosumi	no problemo, just make them	Mar 12 16:38
Sosumi	instead of making tanks and airplanes	Mar 12 16:38
Sosumi	and waging war	Mar 12 16:38
Sosumi	and actually deplenting resources on useless crap	Mar 12 16:39
Sosumi	messiah msb__, went to talk to his earthly father for advice	Mar 12 16:40
cubezzz	sure, _if_ we had infinite energy and transmutation of element technology we could terraform Mars	Mar 12 16:40
cubezzz	and make Earth a lot better :)	Mar 12 16:40
Sosumi	well specially since such redirection	Mar 12 16:41
cubezzz	once you can change co2 into oxygen you got it made	Mar 12 16:41
Sosumi	would put to an end into finding better ways to blow ppl to bits	Mar 12 16:42
Sosumi	and would phase out the military industrial complex	Mar 12 16:42
Sosumi	in the way that they'd still get the bucks	Mar 12 16:43
Sosumi	but by doing something good	Mar 12 16:43
cubezzz	nuclear fusion tech would help a lot	Mar 12 16:43
Sosumi	yes it would	Mar 12 16:43
Sosumi	I was actually happy about hearing the news that came from the laurence livermore lab	Mar 12 16:44
Sosumi	at least it confirmed that the pursuit of fusion isn't dead yet	Mar 12 16:44
cubezzz	cold fusion turned out to be a lemon	Mar 12 16:44
Sosumi	cold fusion is only popular with the UFOol folks	Mar 12 16:47
Sosumi	those have been the ones boasting about it	Mar 12 16:48
Sosumi	as for me, I'm not saying it is impossble	Mar 12 16:48
Sosumi	*impossible	Mar 12 16:48
cubezzz	there's some talk of plants being able to transmute elements	Mar 12 16:48
Sosumi	but until further developments, grain of salt must be taken	Mar 12 16:49
Sosumi	transmute elements? like breaking them down for abortion?	Mar 12 16:49
Sosumi	*absorption	Mar 12 16:50
cubezzz	created additional selenium for example	Mar 12 16:50
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 16:50
cubezzz	http://www.cheniere.org/books/aids/ch5.htm	Mar 12 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cheniere.org \| Extraordinary Biology [ http://ur1.ca/gttsi ]		Mar 12 16:50
Sosumi	that kind of biology doesn't fascinate me much	Mar 12 16:50
cubezzz	Komaki has conclusively proven that bacteria can transmute sodium into potassium	Mar 12 16:52
cubezzz	using very little energy	Mar 12 16:53
cubezzz	worth a look I'd say	Mar 12 16:53
Sosumi	I'll give it a read later	Mar 12 16:53
Sosumi	also, that is from Tom Bearden; I remember that guy	Mar 12 16:55
Sosumi	colonel I think?	Mar 12 16:55
Sosumi	who set himself in the search for Tesla's lost papers	Mar 12 16:55
Sosumi	about scalar waves	Mar 12 16:55
cubezzz	he does have a Phd I think	Mar 12 16:56
cubezzz	oh wait, maybe he doesn't :)	Mar 12 16:57
cubezzz	seems that Martin Gardner shot him down somewhat	Mar 12 16:57
cubezzz	but I've heard about the increase selenium produced by plants from other sources	Mar 12 16:58
Sosumi	he "had" one of which he bought	Mar 12 16:59
Sosumi	to some dubious organization	Mar 12 17:00
Sosumi	dr tom Bearden does sound much more fanciful to the coast to coast am type listener than just Tommy Bearden	Mar 12 17:00
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Sosumi	sebsebseb the magician	Mar 12 17:15
Sosumi	og maegeia	Mar 12 17:15
Sosumi	but I don't kind of believe into that scalar wave thing	Mar 12 17:19
Sosumi	not saying that it doesn't exist	Mar 12 17:19
Sosumi	but hum don't believe in it	Mar 12 17:20
Sosumi	https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/12/nsa-plans-infect-millions-computers-malware/	Mar 12 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org \| How the NSA Plans to Infect 'Millions' of Computers with Malware - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gtrn8 ]		Mar 12 17:20
Sosumi	yes the evil NSA?	Mar 12 17:21
Sosumi	or maybe the evil CIA	Mar 12 17:21
Sosumi	it's just funny how the NSA gets all the publicity while no mention to the CIA	Mar 12 17:22
Sosumi	it actually seems like someone or something is actually earning something by crippling the NSA	Mar 12 17:23
Sosumi	maybe the CIA would like to see NSA go away	Mar 12 17:24
Sosumi	https://twitter.com/fiatcurrency/status/443789453484900352	Mar 12 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fiatcurrency: lol RT @SuviKosonen: Clear "vomiting camel" in RDX. My brilliant colleague's latest technical analysis :) http://t.co/ZF1eRw1Kmw		Mar 12 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SuviKosonen: Clear "vomiting camel" in RDX. My brilliant colleague's latest technical analysis :) http://t.co/Mx30ULB2it		Mar 12 17:25
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MinceR	sadly, msb__ favors dictatorships so long as they call themselves "socialist" or "communist"	Mar 12 18:55
MinceR	162753 < Sosumi> I recomend to never let them fall	Mar 12 18:56
MinceR	so do i	Mar 12 18:56
Sosumi	wait	Mar 12 18:57
Sosumi	I though I had said that the balanced approach was the best approach	Mar 12 18:57
MinceR	to what?	Mar 12 18:58
Sosumi	neither extreme socialism	Mar 12 18:59
Sosumi	nos extreme anarchy	Mar 12 18:59
MinceR	ic	Mar 12 18:59
MinceR	well, i agree with that	Mar 12 18:59
cubezzz	no to anarchy certainly :)	Mar 12 18:59
Sosumi	aka degenerate liberalism/libertarianism	Mar 12 19:00
msb__	"<MinceR> sadly, msb__ favors dictatorships so long as they call themselves "socialist" or "communist"" MinceR is lying. I never said any such thing. I said I favor social democracy or democratic socialism. Never a dictatorship.	Mar 12 19:00
Sosumi	and I don't see were I wrote that "I recomend to never let them fall"	Mar 12 19:01
cubezzz	cubelog is watching you all :)	Mar 12 19:01
MinceR	yes, and dictatorships like to call themselves "socialist", "communist", "people's democratic republic", etc.	Mar 12 19:01
MinceR	i see beyond the curtain, msb__ does not.	Mar 12 19:01
Sosumi	the messiah msb__ is back after consulting with his earthly father	Mar 12 19:01
Sosumi	or was it heavenly canabis breath father	Mar 12 19:01
msb__	Great, the two lying psychopaths are attacking me together.	Mar 12 19:02
cubezzz	can't we just make derisive comments about microsoft like the olden days?	Mar 12 19:03
Sosumi	"I recommend to never let them fall" was in reference to the metallic made smartphones	Mar 12 19:03
cubezzz	j/k somewhat	Mar 12 19:03
MinceR	as usual, msb__ ornaments his authoritarianist/fascist/communist propaganda with the occasional lie and name-calling.	Mar 12 19:04
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 19:05
MinceR	Sosumi: i thought it was in reference to all smartphones regardless of metal content :>	Mar 12 19:05
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Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 19:05
cubezzz	I bet windows 9 will run awesome on my 486	Mar 12 19:07
Sosumi	as long as it has a math co-processor	Mar 12 19:07
Sosumi	I can't see why it wouldn't run	Mar 12 19:07
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 19:07
cubezzz	I've actually thought about making my own distro	Mar 12 19:09
Sosumi	not another gnu/linux distro	Mar 12 19:12
Sosumi	that'd be kind of a downer	Mar 12 19:12
Sosumi	instead	Mar 12 19:12
Sosumi	why not a gnu/hurd distro	Mar 12 19:12
Sosumi	or from what I've seen in the past	Mar 12 19:13
Sosumi	back in 2008	Mar 12 19:13
Sosumi	when I was still in high school	Mar 12 19:13
Sosumi	some folks were trying to create a "free version" of openvms	Mar 12 19:13
cubezzz	yeah freevms	Mar 12 19:14
cubezzz	I think it's still around	Mar 12 19:14
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 19:14
cubezzz	not really my thing, it's amd64 only	Mar 12 19:15
MinceR	brb, router restart :>	Mar 12 19:16
cubezzz	no my distro would be old computer friendly	Mar 12 19:16
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Sosumi	I think you're missing a lot by staying with a p3	Mar 12 19:18
Sosumi	you could be playing with evolutionary algorithms and neural nets	Mar 12 19:18
Sosumi	and doing much without being crippled by the speed of an old cpu	Mar 12 19:19
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cubezzz	well if you read my blog you'll know where I'm coming from :)	Mar 12 19:21
cubezzz	I'm not even a strong minimalist	Mar 12 19:22
Sosumi	and it is funny, considering that I once had a 866Mhz P3 and geforce 4 ti4600	Mar 12 19:22
Sosumi	and I couldn't max, say ut2003 on that	Mar 12 19:22
Sosumi	I didn't know you had a blog	Mar 12 19:23
cubezzz	yes, no one reads it :)	Mar 12 19:23
cubezzz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.com	Mar 12 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.com \| Notes on Linux		Mar 12 19:23
cubezzz	it says notes on linux but I talk about computers in general	Mar 12 19:23
Sosumi	bookmarked	Mar 12 19:24
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*ChanServ gives channel operator status to MinceR		Mar 12 19:26
cubezzz	I wrote about some ideas about distros here:	Mar 12 19:30
cubezzz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/2012/05/eternal-distro.html	Mar 12 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca \| Notes on Linux: The Eternal Distro [ http://ur1.ca/gtvp8 ]		Mar 12 19:31
Sosumi	I think the idea is great, but at the same kind of comparing to running the marathon with a leg tied behind my back	Mar 12 19:44
Sosumi	given the amount of hardware that gets dumped each year	Mar 12 19:44
Sosumi	specially from the gamer croud	Mar 12 19:44
Sosumi	*crowd	Mar 12 19:44
Sosumi	everyone and you could always get cheap upgrades	Mar 12 19:45
Sosumi	and a p3 is ancient	Mar 12 19:45
Sosumi	specially a 500Mhz	Mar 12 19:46
Sosumi	and the thing is just not about the upgrade treadmill	Mar 12 19:48
Sosumi	but as the complexity of the software increases so does the need for faster hardware	Mar 12 19:48
Sosumi	and I'm in doubt	Mar 12 19:49
Sosumi	for things like a server, doesn't the current version of fedora run on a p3?	Mar 12 19:49
cubezzz	read Vance Packard "The Waste Makers" and you might change your mind	Mar 12 19:50
MinceR	even the complexity of the data increases :>	Mar 12 19:50
Sosumi	hardly, when I buy faster hardware is mostly because I outgrew what I had	Mar 12 19:50
cubezzz	I found newer Fedora less reliable to be honest	Mar 12 19:50
MinceR	and that of websites, unfortunately	Mar 12 19:50
cubezzz	well badly designed web designs is a poor excuse	Mar 12 19:51
cubezzz	we live in a society of waste, it's well over the top	Mar 12 19:52
Sosumi	but that waste brings progress and further advancement	Mar 12 19:53
Sosumi	what could be considered waste	Mar 12 19:54
cubezzz	ewaste, the world's full of it	Mar 12 19:54
Sosumi	is the use and trow away tech	Mar 12 19:54
Sosumi	like those prebuilt computers with no standard parts	Mar 12 19:55
cubezzz	plastics, chip fab, all need highly caustic chemicals	Mar 12 19:55
cubezzz	which end up in your soil	Mar 12 19:55
cubezzz	I'm merely suggesting cutting back on that	Mar 12 19:55
cubezzz	well I would suggest not buying bic-lighter computers :)	Mar 12 19:57
Sosumi	the biggest factor contributing to that is consumer tech	Mar 12 19:58
Sosumi	I don't see how it'd be possible to cut on that	Mar 12 19:59
Sosumi	ppl want crap, manufacturers give them crap	Mar 12 19:59
MinceR	manufacturers also make crap that nobody wants	Mar 12 20:00
MinceR	i.e. winblows phone phones	Mar 12 20:00
cubezzz	I don't think people really want crap, I think they just aren't thinking about it	Mar 12 20:00
Sosumi	I'm certainly not the one buying a big tv totally overblown colors	Mar 12 20:00
MinceR	people want crap so much they're willing to pay more for worse	Mar 12 20:00
MinceR	for example, for hypePhones	Mar 12 20:00
Sosumi	hypePhones, bang & ollufsen, etc	Mar 12 20:01
cubezzz	I like getting an old computer and fixing it up	Mar 12 20:02
Sosumi	fit into the model of a huge price premium just for the sake of exclusivity	Mar 12 20:02
Sosumi	and "perceived value"	Mar 12 20:02
cubezzz	"The Hidden Persauders" 1957 :)	Mar 12 20:02
cubezzz	also by Vance Packard	Mar 12 20:03
Sosumi	Bernays mentioned that on his book Propaganda, messiah complex msb__	Mar 12 20:03
cubezzz	Sun Microsystems had a lot of very interesting ideas to make computers more reliable	Mar 12 20:03
Sosumi	"had"	Mar 12 20:04
Sosumi	I'm still longing for a new sparc station or powerstation	Mar 12 20:04
cubezzz	I think Sun Oracle still sell servers	Mar 12 20:05
cubezzz	no idea what the prices are, I assume big $$$	Mar 12 20:05
Sosumi	yes, just servers	Mar 12 20:05
cubezzz	glibc is bloated too	Mar 12 20:07
cubezzz	hence the creation of dietlibc	Mar 12 20:09
cubezzz	the funny part about this is I've had this same convo 10 years ago :)	Mar 12 20:14
cubezzz	"come on, systems these days need at least 256 megs of ram"	Mar 12 20:15
cubezzz	"get rid of that crappy Pentium 1"	Mar 12 20:15
MinceR	one problem with the Eternal Distro is that at some point some packages would cease to receive security updates	Mar 12 20:16
MinceR	from upstream	Mar 12 20:16
cubezzz	2.11BSD still gets patches	Mar 12 20:20
cubezzz	but that doesn't run on actual hardware in my case	Mar 12 20:20
cubezzz	some packages in openbsd are from the 90's	Mar 12 20:23
cubezzz	some stuff gets orphaned, the creator loses interest, it happens	Mar 12 20:26
MinceR	does it update applications and libraries that are 4 or more stable major releases ahead of what it ships? :>	Mar 12 20:28
MinceR	at some point, the upstream developer's response to requests for security fixes becomes "just upgrade already, that release is 10 years old!" :>	Mar 12 20:29
MinceR	there's only so many releases they can maintain simultaneously	Mar 12 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Peppermint introduces cloud-based open source	Mar 12 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	desktop to Africa http://t.co/pqroXtp70A	Mar 12 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtxcx	Mar 12 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other	Mar 12 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	Changes http://t.co/MzrNkQPCpT	Mar 12 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtxcy	Mar 12 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Peppermint introduces cloud-based open source desktop to Africa \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 20:30
cubezzz	that's true, but I don't want my repositories to just disappear	Mar 12 20:31
cubezzz	I guess the only safe thing to do is mirror it all	Mar 12 20:31
MinceR	indeed	Mar 12 20:34
Sosumi	what about a hurd option?	Mar 12 20:38
Sosumi	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYyODE	Mar 12 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Replicant Developers Find Backdoor In Android Samsung Galaxy Devices [ http://ur1.ca/gtxhv ]		Mar 12 20:40
MinceR	well, that's just great	Mar 12 20:41
MinceR	looks like samsung took the same approach here as with the exynos 4 /dev/exynos-mem device	Mar 12 20:44
MinceR	(i.e. make a much bigger hole than necessary)	Mar 12 20:45
Sosumi	so much for the knox platform hey samsung	Mar 12 20:48
MinceR	indeed	Mar 12 20:48
MinceR	there should be high-end phones that communicate with the radio chip via serial link, not DMA	Mar 12 20:49
Sosumi	until them, 300€ netbook + 3g modem	Mar 12 20:50
Sosumi	and I actually once got asked	Mar 12 20:50
MinceR	that won't do non-voip phone calls and you can't answer calls on the street :>	Mar 12 20:51
Sosumi	if I was some kind of mafia guy for that combo	Mar 12 20:51
Sosumi	I don't people to call me	Mar 12 20:51
Sosumi	just send me an email	Mar 12 20:51
MinceR	:>	Mar 12 20:51
Sosumi	the last thing I need are the same people I have to deal with everyday also bothering me when I'm away from them	Mar 12 20:52
Sosumi	and doing pointless talk	Mar 12 20:53
Sosumi	just writing it down on email, takes less time and it makes it much easier	Mar 12 20:53
MinceR	unfortunately some of the people i keep contact with don't use email	Mar 12 20:54
Sosumi	without the need to yell at the phone because, say transit, radio, chatter and so on	Mar 12 20:54
Sosumi	voice calls are just for VIP	Mar 12 20:55
Sosumi	and are usually taken at home	Mar 12 20:55
Sosumi	http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/200575-mccain-to-lead-delegation-to-ukraine	Mar 12 20:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehill.com \| McCain to lead delegation to Ukraine \| TheHill [ http://ur1.ca/gtxrd ]		Mar 12 20:56
Sosumi	warnuts McCain	Mar 12 20:56
Sosumi	but the problem this time is that McCain isn't messing with the banana republic of Syria nor Iran	Mar 12 20:57
Sosumi	it is messing with the nuclear banana of russia	Mar 12 20:57
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Sosumi	https://twitter.com/ProSyriana/status/441570172948586496	Mar 12 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProSyriana: The devil machine was found and destroyed by the #Saudi religious police. #KSA #Wahhabism http://t.co/6dNbd8CwaF		Mar 12 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProSyriana: The devil machine was found and destroyed by the #Saudi religious police. #KSA #Wahhabism http://t.co/6dNbd8CwaF		Mar 12 20:58
Sosumi	meanwhile in the KSA	Mar 12 20:58
Sosumi	they're trying to exorcise a midi keyboard	Mar 12 20:59
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MinceR	:)	Mar 12 21:30
sebsebseb	MinceR: Sosumi hmm one of the main or kind of	Mar 12 21:33
sebsebseb	Mageia contributers died on Saturday	Mar 12 21:33
MinceR	:/	Mar 12 21:33
sebsebseb	yeah	Mar 12 21:33
Sosumi	real dead?	Mar 12 21:34
sebsebseb	chatted to him quite a bit over the years here and there on IRC, nearly met him inp erson to	Mar 12 21:34
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yes he has died	Mar 12 21:34
Sosumi	:(	Mar 12 21:34
Sosumi	how did he die»	Mar 12 21:37
Sosumi	?	Mar 12 21:37
sebsebseb	yeah thought I may get asked that	Mar 12 21:37
sebsebseb	Sosumi: he lost his fight aganst the lung cancer	Mar 12 21:38
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sebsebseb	he had treatment and such, but stil	Mar 12 21:38
Sosumi	lung cancer is usually terminal	Mar 12 21:38
sebsebseb	he had been rahter un well	Mar 12 21:39
Sosumi	:(	Mar 12 21:41
sebsebseb	Sosumi: however he has donated all his computer stuff to Mageia it seems	Mar 12 21:42
Sosumi	that was a honorable thing to do	Mar 12 21:44
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yeah well he had like three computers i THINK	Mar 12 21:45
sebsebseb	pluswhatever else	Mar 12 21:45
sebsebseb	and Magiea was his life at the end and very much so	Mar 12 21:45
sebsebseb	Sosumi: even when he was rather unwell he e	Mar 12 21:45
sebsebseb	he felt bad that he coudn't just contribute anymore	Mar 12 21:45
Sosumi	how old was he?	Mar 12 21:46
sebsebseb	50 something	Mar 12 21:46
Sosumi	well you know	Mar 12 21:46
Sosumi	life is short and he did use his limited time to make it count	Mar 12 21:47
sebsebseb	yeah	Mar 12 21:47
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 21:48
sebsebseb	Sosumi: also I am wondeirng what has happended to someone else	Mar 12 21:48
sebsebseb	that been chatting a lot to online	Mar 12 21:48
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she might have died as well, I really don't know	Mar 12 21:48
sebsebseb	and no way to just find out etc	Mar 12 21:48
Sosumi	also involved in mageia?	Mar 12 21:48
sebsebseb	nope	Mar 12 21:49
sebsebseb	Sosumi: just a girl I came across online (or whoever they really are)	Mar 12 21:49
sebsebseb	,but also one that woudn't do anything, but online text hmm	Mar 12 21:49
sebsebseb	well ok I saw some photos to, but that's it	Mar 12 21:49
Sosumi	online on irc?	Mar 12 21:50
sebsebseb	onine	Mar 12 21:50
sebsebseb	not IRC	Mar 12 21:50
Sosumi	have you seen if she changed the nick?	Mar 12 21:50
Sosumi	or probably just moved over onto something else	Mar 12 21:50
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she only has me on the particular chat account apparnatly to	Mar 12 21:52
sebsebseb	and won't just add to Facebook and uh	Mar 12 21:52
sebsebseb	Sosumi: so basically I just lose contact	Mar 12 21:52
sebsebseb	since she woudn't voice over Skype or so on	Mar 12 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Replicant developers find and close Samsung	Mar 12 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	Galaxy back-door http://t.co/NXG3dBLVlM	Mar 12 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtyo9	Mar 12 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 21:53
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I can't really explain stuff properly enough, but this person wow	Mar 12 21:53
Sosumi	I see	Mar 12 21:53
sebsebseb	,but then issues	Mar 12 21:53
sebsebseb	plus got in contact wht someone else, and then she tsopped chatting to me loads etc	Mar 12 21:53
sebsebseb	and uh	Mar 12 21:53
sebsebseb	Sosumi: ,but really annoyingly the communication issues	Mar 12 21:54
Sosumi	communication issues in what sense? improper language?	Mar 12 21:54
sebsebseb	Sosumi: no as in refusing to do anything more than just instant messagingin	Mar 12 21:55
sebsebseb	and occasioan emails maybe	Mar 12 21:55
sebsebseb	and not adding me onto whatever account hte other guy is on etc	Mar 12 21:55
sebsebseb	or Facebook even etc	Mar 12 21:55
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and not doing any voice thing, SKype or some other voip thing, or the phone even	Mar 12 21:56
sebsebseb	anyway it's been about four months now, and she may not be coming back this time it seems	Mar 12 21:56
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she may have got a bit upset at me in the last chat in fact as well	Mar 12 21:56
Sosumi	was she good looking?	Mar 12 21:56
Sosumi	had to ask ;)	Mar 12 21:57
sebsebseb	yeah I guess or enough	Mar 12 21:57
sebsebseb	,but it's the personality what she is like and such, that's the wow	Mar 12 21:57
sebsebseb	except for the communicaiotn issues	Mar 12 21:57
sebsebseb	and things like that	Mar 12 21:57
Sosumi	how so?	Mar 12 21:58
sebsebseb	Sosumi: eh nevermind	Mar 12 21:59
Sosumi	then I'll just my fertile imagination to draw a picture of her :P	Mar 12 22:00
Sosumi	*use	Mar 12 22:00
sebsebseb	Sosumi: oh you mean looks?	Mar 12 22:00
sebsebseb	Sosumi: uhmm she has brown hair it seems	Mar 12 22:00
Sosumi	I meant her personality	Mar 12 22:00
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she's not the averare girl	Mar 12 22:01
sebsebseb	really isn't the averaet girl	Mar 12 22:01
sebsebseb	a rare find	Mar 12 22:01
Sosumi	since that was the WoW factor	Mar 12 22:01
Sosumi	tell tell	Mar 12 22:01
sebsebseb	and I foundher onine, and then uh everything changed hmm	Mar 12 22:01
sebsebseb	after about 8 months	Mar 12 22:01
sebsebseb	shame	Mar 12 22:01
Sosumi	you still didn't explain what was WOWing about her	Mar 12 22:02
Sosumi	but it is ok :)	Mar 12 22:02
sebsebseb	Sosumi: you won't realy understandl	Mar 12 22:03
sebsebseb	Sosumi: it's just the chats we had and such	Mar 12 22:03
sebsebseb	that's the wow	Mar 12 22:03
sebsebseb	how well we got on etc	Mar 12 22:03
sebsebseb	well until most stuff changed, and changed a lot changed pretty much completly really even uh :(	Mar 12 22:03
Sosumi	you fell in love	Mar 12 22:05
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yeah basically as far as net went, but keeping reality in mind, not voiced, notmet etc, and them probably not realy feeliing the same way or not quite	Mar 12 22:06
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and then she came across some guy who was more interesting than me	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	online	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	and yep everthing chaned	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	and changed a lot	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and we went from chatting nearly every day	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	to hardly at all	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	loads of periods of lots of weeks no chat	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	her not on etc	Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb	,but now it's been the longest one, so I am wondeirng what's going on	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	,because of helath issues etc	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	uh	Mar 12 22:08
Sosumi	did she have health issues?	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	yep	Mar 12 22:08
Sosumi	complicated?	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	sure	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	some pretty bad stuff by the soundsof it	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	,but don't realy understnad most of it	Mar 12 22:08
sebsebseb	the medical terms etc	Mar 12 22:09
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and one time she had apendicious andn earlydied, whist away apparnatly, you see why I am a bit worried etc	Mar 12 22:09
Sosumi	I see	Mar 12 22:10
sebsebseb	and no it's not, just go find some other girl to get ot know all properly like that, it doesn't work that way	Mar 12 22:10
sebsebseb	really hard to find someone like what I found	Mar 12 22:10
Sosumi	wait then	Mar 12 22:11
Sosumi	a month or two	Mar 12 22:11
Sosumi	but then better move on	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	Sosumi: no I mean got to find someone in person or online	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	Sosumi: ,but	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	online uh that doesn't really work usaully	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	99% of the time	Mar 12 22:11
Sosumi	I've no idea	Mar 12 22:11
Sosumi	since I don't "date" online	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	and in person I don't really know enough girls at the moment	Mar 12 22:11
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I don't mean a date neassirely	Mar 12 22:12
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I mean soeone to get to know, to build up a special freindship with at least	Mar 12 22:12
sebsebseb	oh and that happens to be a girl as well	Mar 12 22:12
sebsebseb	Sosumi: if I want to chat to guys online, well that's easy enough heh heh	Mar 12 22:12
sebsebseb	and yeah I mean a girl that lives nearish to me idealy as well	Mar 12 22:13
Sosumi	be patient, that is all I can say	Mar 12 22:14
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I am going afk	Mar 12 22:14
Sosumi	yeah	Mar 12 22:14
Sosumi	gn	Mar 12 22:14
sebsebseb	Sosumi: no not bed	Mar 12 22:14
sebsebseb	news	Mar 12 22:14
sebsebseb	what's left of it	Mar 12 22:15
sebsebseb	what's left of main, and then local	Mar 12 22:15
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msb__	cubezzz: Nice blog!	Mar 12 22:41
cubezzz	thanks :)	Mar 12 22:42
msb__	cubezzz: Are you a KDE3 fan?	Mar 12 22:42
cubezzz	yeah, pretty much	Mar 12 22:43
cubezzz	I use a variety of window managers	Mar 12 22:43
msb__	Me too.	Mar 12 22:43
cubezzz	gnome2, icewm, mwm, a couple of KDE 3.X's, xfce	Mar 12 22:44
msb__	I don't mess with the system much, just stay with KDE3.5 and some KDE4 apps.	Mar 12 22:44
msb__	But I've written a lot of bash scripts.	Mar 12 22:45
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/retro-mwm-desktop.png	Mar 12 22:45
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msb__	Looks like old sunview or xeroxparc.	Mar 12 22:47
msb__	No taskbar or desktop switcher?	Mar 12 22:47
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/sunview-desktop.png	Mar 12 22:47
cubezzz	:)	Mar 12 22:47
cubezzz	iconbox is a sort of taskbar	Mar 12 22:48
msb__	ok, different style 8^)	Mar 12 22:48
cubezzz	that tiny font on sunview would drive me nuts	Mar 12 22:48
cubezzz	I can run KDE 3.5 and mwm at the same time	Mar 12 22:49
msb__	I've taken to using the KDE4 magnifier app sometimes.	Mar 12 22:49
cubezzz	I'm a fairly good motif programmer :)	Mar 12 22:49
cubezzz	KDE4 was just too slow on my old computers	Mar 12 22:50
cubezzz	I use reading glasses but I hate using glasses when I'm on a computer	Mar 12 22:51
cubezzz	I'd rather just make the font bigger	Mar 12 22:51
msb__	I don't like KDE4's whole style, and you can't read the desktop names in the desktop switcher ("pager") so I dumped it.	Mar 12 22:51
msb__	Multiple desktops are vital to me.	Mar 12 22:52
cubezzz	you can run more than one window manager remember	Mar 12 22:52
msb__	Why would I need more than KDE3?	Mar 12 22:53
cubezzz	xinit mwm -- :8	Mar 12 22:53
cubezzz	well, I wanted to experiment and improve my X window system knowledge	Mar 12 22:54
cubezzz	plus mwm is motif based so... a chance to learn more about motif	Mar 12 22:54
MinceR	a chance to learn why nobody uses motif anymore :>	Mar 12 22:55
cubezzz	I use it :)	Mar 12 22:55
MinceR	"bro, do you even ewmh?"	Mar 12 22:55
msb__	Sounds nasty.	Mar 12 22:55
cubezzz	I did say I run KDE3.5 as well :)	Mar 12 22:56
MinceR	i use mwm at work, i'm not a big fan of it :>	Mar 12 22:56
MinceR	of course, it still beats windows	Mar 12 22:56
MinceR	and macos	Mar 12 22:56
msb__	One thing I want to learn is graphics programming in X. I have some starter code somewhere.	Mar 12 22:56
cubezzz	I feel I can understand mwm source better than KDE3.5 source	Mar 12 22:57
MinceR	i haven't looked at mwm source yet	Mar 12 22:58
MinceR	i've coded an application for kde3 once, though :>	Mar 12 22:58
msb__	These days I only make the effort to understand stuff when I need to. It's a big world. I was pissed when transistors came along and replaced glowing warm vacuum tubes.	Mar 12 22:59
MinceR	i'm still curious	Mar 12 22:59
msb__	And again when ICs replaced discretes so I couldn't trace inside them.	Mar 12 22:59
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msb__	I'm curious too, but I have limited time.	Mar 12 23:00
cubezzz	it's not like I run something truely ancient like xwm :)	Mar 12 23:00
msb__	Mostly I want to figure out how to help restore a conscious culture like in the 1960s.	Mar 12 23:00
MinceR	i haven't even seen xwm	Mar 12 23:01
MinceR	when i started using X, twm was already what shipped with XFree86 by default	Mar 12 23:01
MinceR	(then again, XFree86 might never had xwm, for all i know)	Mar 12 23:02
cubezzz	when was that MinceR ?	Mar 12 23:02
MinceR	around 2000, i think	Mar 12 23:02
cubezzz	yeah xwm is pretty old	Mar 12 23:02
cubezzz	that's getting into the X11R2 era, around 1988	Mar 12 23:03
cubezzz	pre-linux :)	Mar 12 23:04
MinceR	:)	Mar 12 23:04
cubezzz	so Ultrix, or ummm	Mar 12 23:05
cubezzz	4.3BSD-Tahoe I suppose	Mar 12 23:05
msb__	My favorite bash script is called "p". If you do p filename while in the directory containing a file, it loads the FQ pathname of the file into the mouse clipboard.	Mar 12 23:07
msb__	Text mode drag n drop!	Mar 12 23:07
cubezzz	well you can just hilight in konsole -> klipper	Mar 12 23:08
msb__	Copy or move any file from one xterm (konsole) to another. And with mc in the console, you don't even have to type the filename.	Mar 12 23:08
msb__	cubezzz: Won't that just get the filename, not the path from root?	Mar 12 23:08
cubezzz	I can just hilight the whole path	Mar 12 23:09
msb__	But then you have to display the whole path first?	Mar 12 23:09
cubezzz	/mnt/e/old-x11/X.V10R3/xwm/xwm.h	Mar 12 23:09
cubezzz	ta da :)	Mar 12 23:09
cubezzz	yes, locate xwm.h then hilight since I can't remember where it is	Mar 12 23:10
msb__	So you run "locate" to do that. Can take a few seconds.	Mar 12 23:11
msb__	And then you have to run the cursor from one end of that text to the other, to hilite it.	Mar 12 23:11
cubezzz	let's see your script	Mar 12 23:11
msb__	I just have to type "p %s" and then alt-enter and enter	Mar 12 23:12
msb__	in mc	Mar 12 23:12
msb__	hold on for scripts	Mar 12 23:13
msb__	http://pastebin.com/XmYyMqzE	Mar 12 23:18
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msb__	There used to be an xsel app that came with xfree86, but it's not in the present X. So I had to find another way to stuff the clipboard.	Mar 12 23:19
cubezzz	ah, I'd have to adjust that to use it	Mar 12 23:20
cubezzz	no libqt4 on that box	Mar 12 23:20
MinceR	there's a separate xsel package on debian	Mar 12 23:22
msb__	I think I maintained the same command-line syntax in my xsel script as in the original xsel program, so if that debian one still works, it should replace mine with all its qdbus jazz.	Mar 12 23:24
MinceR	:>	Mar 12 23:25
MinceR	the distro you're using might have a separate xsel package as well	Mar 12 23:25
msb__	Nope. First thing I checked.	Mar 12 23:25
msb__	I also use an "xs" script, which is simply: xsel $*	Mar 12 23:27
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msb__	Also this "eb" (edit buffer) script: http://pastebin.com/YwE3A3QN	Mar 12 23:30
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msb__	and "x2e" edbuf=~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip\n xsel >\| $edbuf	Mar 12 23:31
msb__	And "e2x" edbuf=~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip\n xsel - < $edbuf	Mar 12 23:32
msb__	With these scripts, you can -- dare I say it? -- Rule The World!	Mar 12 23:33
msb__	For example, I just scanned 4 lines from the irc client into the mouse (trackball) clipboard. Then I typed:	Mar 12 23:36
msb__	xs\| sed 's/msb/foo/'\|eb -;e2x	Mar 12 23:36
msb__	and all the occurrences of "msb" in the clipboard were changed to "foo"	Mar 12 23:37
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cubezzz	I have xclip	Mar 12 23:39
msb__	Thus hiding my identity. I fly in the night like the wind!	Mar 12 23:39
cubezzz	uptime \| xclip	Mar 12 23:39
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msb__	I'm checking for it in such of my repos that remain.	Mar 12 23:42
MinceR	gn	Mar 12 23:43
msb__	I got it!	Mar 12 23:44
cubezzz	there's xsel for openbsd, but I can't find it for vector	Mar 12 23:52
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amarsh04	http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/video/digital-rights-and-dismal-governments-senator-scott-ludlam	Mar 13 00:07
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DaemonFC	http://gawker.com/mummified-woman-dead-for-six-years-reportedly-voted-in-1541508827	Mar 13 07:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gawker.com \| Mummified Woman Dead for Six Years Reportedly Voted in 2010 [ http://ur1.ca/guf4n ]		Mar 13 07:51
DaemonFC	I was wondering why the bank didn't foreclose on her house sooner.	Mar 13 07:52
DaemonFC	Apparently, she had about $54,000 in her bank account when she died, so they kept making her house payment out of that until the money ran out.	Mar 13 07:52
DaemonFC	Still doesn't explain why nobody found her body for 6 years.	Mar 13 07:54
DaemonFC	You'd think the neighbors would be complaining about an overgrown lawn, or that her employer might notice that she didn't show up for work.	Mar 13 07:54
DaemonFC	A neighbor was mowing her lawn and she was laid off from Chrysler in 2008.	Mar 13 07:56
DaemonFC	Well, that explains it I guess.	Mar 13 07:56
DaemonFC	Still. Damn.	Mar 13 07:56
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DaemonFC	http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/14/03/12/2143225/replicant-os-developers-find-backdoor-in-samsung-galaxy-devices	Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.slashdot.org \| Replicant OS Developers Find Backdoor In Samsung Galaxy Devices - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/gufd6 ]		Mar 13 08:23
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444019204476641280 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444019536908808192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444019909983756289 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444020169325957121 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444020436859633664	Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: City of staples http://t.co/jl7l4eXecA		Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: NSA's TURBINE robot pumps 'malware into MILLIONS of PCs' http://t.co/fR4max7ue8 send #nsa to jail yet? Nope.		Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| NSA's TURBINE robot pumps 'malware into MILLIONS of PCs' • The Register		Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #nsa is still hiring criminals in order for criminals to serve the state http://t.co/qcWqVEPs3R so much for moral high ground...		Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.reuters.com \| NSA 'hijacked' criminal botnets to install spyware \| Reuters		Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: European Parliament wants an end to NSA PRISM data haul http://t.co/0uC2c32qtE #nsa #prism #espionage #eu		Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| European Parliament wants an end to NSA PRISM data haul- The Inquirer		Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: MEPs want co-operation with the US to be suspended http://t.co/n9PQA7elXC http://t.co/EaFfjNrZeh #nsa		Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.europeanvoice.com \| MEPs want co-operation with the US to be suspended \| European Voice		Mar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerweekly.com \| MEPs call for immediate halt to NSA surveillance		Mar 13 08:23
DaemonFC	https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor	Mar 13 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gtxwi ]		Mar 13 08:24
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444026068086038528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444026183211294721 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444026825921298432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444027030284537856	Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google do no evil, just doing what #nsa asks ("following orders") http://t.co/G3dJ6M9YZp http://t.co/zz4rEJMlKS		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.marketoracle.co.uk \| Google, China, The Nsa And The Fourth Turning :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free Website		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theburningplatform.com \| DO NO EVIL GOOGLE – CENSOR & SNITCH FOR THE STATE « The Burning Platform		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ubuntu 14.04 gets new lock screen and borderless windows http://t.co/fhtipQqbQg #ubuntu #gnu #linux		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com \| Ubuntu 14.04 gets new lock screen and borderless windows \| Muktware		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Tim B-L foresaw the Web as a platform of collaboration; #nsa views it as a battleground. No wonder the NSA headed by military people.		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Self-hosting now makes more sense http://t.co/gueI68PSDK I advise clients to always self-host where possible, now easier to reason		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net \| How the NSA plans to automatically infect "millions" of computers with spyware - Boing Boing		Mar 13 08:39
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444028209047556096 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444028691115692032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444029021052223488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444029456924282880	Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is #facebook #nsa ? Well, yes, in a way, sometimes. http://t.co/mXeekeI990 http://t.co/mV4dYzaMSD		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.wsj.com \| Documents Say NSA Pretends to Be Facebook in Surveillance - Digits - WSJ		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> venturebeat.com \| The NSA reportedly poses as Facebook to spread malware \| VentureBeat \| Security \| by Harrison Weber		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Lawmakers fail to ask NSA chief about agency's malware plans http://t.co/9Mk005eRIo #law and #nsa are antithetical		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworlduk.com \| Lawmakers fail to ask NSA chief about agency's malware plans - ComputerworldUK.com		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #nsa was a nation, the US would have nuked it http://t.co/33dQk1YZRh		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.networkworld.com \| U.S. cyber counterattack: Bomb 'em one way or the other		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Leading House Lawmaker Wants NSA Phone-Data Collection to End http://t.co/MLIgOOxITe http://t.co/UuJh40gU1R http://t.co/9P9ZhyReqW		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> online.wsj.com \| Leading House Lawmaker Wants NSA Phone-Data Collection to End - WSJ.com		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.baltimoresun.com \| Ruppersberger calls for an end to NSA's phone data collection - baltimoresun.com		Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.concordmonitor.com \| Key lawmaker favors ending NSA data sweeps \| Concord Monitor		Mar 13 08:39
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schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444030138502897664 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444030610223673344 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444031110436384768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444032096173326336	Mar 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #facebook is harnessed by the #nsa versus "targets", then why are UK recruitment firms treating no FB account (i.e. not "target") as bad?		Mar 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Survey: Linux demand, salaries on the rise http://t.co/iU8PJVJklE #gnu #linux is hot in the jobs market -- many can attest to it		Mar 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com \| Survey: Linux demand, salaries on the rise \| ITworld		Mar 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CASE STUDY: Kiwi fruit distributor freshens up with Linux http://t.co/S6sdjZQhXG #gnu #linux #nz		Mar 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworld.co.nz \| CASE STUDY: Kiwi fruit distributor freshens up with Linux - T&G, database, DB2, IBM, Windows, DB, Suse linux enterprise server, enterprise IT, Oracle, BayWa, turners and growers, windows server, Sue Linux, SAP, Data Centre, Case Study - Computerworld New Zealand		Mar 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The ultimate guide to migrating an entire office from #Windows to #GNU #Linux http://t.co/JMjcnH0PMf seen it done, not too hard		Mar 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itproportal.com \| The ultimate guide to migrating an entire office from Windows to Linux \| ITProPortal.com		Mar 13 09:28
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444033525994749952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034176703283200 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034486557474817 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034745593511936	Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The press has new word for non-targets killed in #drone #assassinations and that word is "bodyguard", better than "human shield"		Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 8 Questions the World Faces as Lethal Drones Proliferate http://t.co/I3iDy78d57 http://t.co/PCBLZLp7Bd #drones		Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com \| 8 Questions the World Faces as Lethal Drones Proliferate - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic		Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> reason.com \| U.N. Report on Drone Strikes Calls for Clearer Global Norms and More Accountability - Hit & Run : Reason.com		Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The burden of proof is very heavy if you assassinate people half a globe away using the claims of "self-defense". #occupation #assassination		Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'We cannot "kill" terrorism with a drone.' http://t.co/LjcmrTgNlT		Mar 13 09:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #CIA Is Not a Fourth Branch of Government http://t.co/42a35YmUV0 it acts like a government of its own		Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com \| The CIA Is Not a Fourth Branch of Government \| Joseph A. Palermo		Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Yemeni boy... demonstrating how he ducked in his school as soon as he heard the sound of a plane." http://t.co/J7IHcOcJ7c		Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.scoop.co.nz \| Fear is fear, no matter where you are from \| Scoop News		Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Obama and his media pals are hypocrites on Putin." http://t.co/iGl7SZwc0Z		Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.valleyadvocate.com \| The Valley Advocate: News - Between the Lines		Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Yesterday there was another set of #drone assassinations in #yemen killing "suspects" (meaning not much) http://t.co/qQlxXytS21		Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.oneindia.in \| US drone kills three Al Qaeda suspects in Yemen - News Oneindia		Mar 13 09:30
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444036823510433792 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037105963266048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037290273562624	Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How can secret drones campaign really make us safer? http://t.co/hl8K1CSlCL published widely http://t.co/iQpwqOkdGB		Mar 13 09:30
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037105963266048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037290273562624	Mar 13 09:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/opinion/drones-campaign-clare-algar-reprieve/m )		Mar 13 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.kesq.com \| How can secret drones really make us safer? \| News - Home		Mar 13 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: At #nytimes (mostly #pentagon relay) the question is, WHO does the #assassination not WHETHER http://t.co/TsTWIYkyNI		Mar 13 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times		Mar 13 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #nytimes has been responsible for demonising many victims of #drones (even US citizens) after they're killed, can't present their side		Mar 13 09:32
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schestowitz__	http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855	Mar 13 10:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Venezuela: Regime Change, Destabilization and the Hidden Hands of U.S. Capitalism \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqssp ]		Mar 13 10:25
schestowitz__	MinceR: one wonders if sanctions make a a self-fulfilling prophecy	Mar 13 10:30
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747313	Mar 13 10:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Drones that electrocute people http://austinist.com/2014/03/10/watch_an_intern_get_shocked_by_a_st.php like thugs (police) but with 0 sympathy		Mar 13 10:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> austinist.com \| Watch An Intern Get Shocked By A 'Stun Copter' Drone At a SXSW Demo: Austinist [ http://ur1.ca/guga5 ]		Mar 13 10:36
schestowitz__	"One step closer to a "Cop's eye" but it won't be used for anything good. Maybe it's more like the Star Wars torture drone."	Mar 13 10:36
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747207	Mar 13 10:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Assuming #snowden has ~100,000 documents (encrypted, #pentagon says 2 million), sure thing is, after Pierre took over not many revelations		Mar 13 10:36
schestowitz__	"Is that so? I've been enjoying The Intercept."	Mar 13 10:36
schestowitz__	Last night they resumed making big news, so let's wait and see...	Mar 13 10:37
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor confirming stuff that many fear. #android #backdoor		Mar 13 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gty26 ]		Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	"s, I have to root my device....soon! Is this enough? Is it safe to install something like CyanogenMod instead? Or is therre no escape?"	Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	@Cheery Littlebottom, I wonder how it works.	Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	Maybe you can reformat rootfs to different FS…	Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:46
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755777	Mar 13 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Yesterday there was another set of #drone assassinations in #yemen killing "suspects" (meaning not much) http://news.oneindia.in/international/us-drone-kills-three-al-qaeda-suspects-in-yemen-1411362.html		Mar 13 10:46
schestowitz__	"Arbitrary killing, mankind is in good hands."	Mar 13 10:46
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3750956	Mar 13 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pleased to say that RMS has been reading #techrights for many years. He is happy that he now has #diaspora presence https://joindiaspora.com/people/048b2a2fbd610b16		Mar 13 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com \| Diaspora* / Sign in [ http://ur1.ca/4c80w ]		Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__	"So wait, is he actually using D, or is this just a bot that scrapes his posts and puts them up on our network? :) If he were really using Diaspora, that would be awesome! I seem to remember there was an Emacs extension that could hook into D..."	Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__	"It's a bot that scrapes his political notes. <blockquote>Bio Unofficial profile of Richard Stallman for reposting his posts to Diaspora http://stallman.org/</blockquote>"	Mar 13 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://stallman.org/</blockquote )		Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3751124	Mar 13 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Reporters Without Borders says #india about as bad as #gchq and #nsa when it comes to mass #surveillance http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indias-centre-for-development-of-telematics-worst-online-spies-reporters-without-borders/1/347920.html		Mar 13 10:48
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> indiatoday.intoday.in \| Forget NSA, India's Centre for Development of Telematics is one of top 3 worst online spies : India, News - India Today [ http://ur1.ca/gugd1 ]		Mar 13 10:48
schestowitz__	I know that first-hand, you cannot go to an Internet coffee shop or buy an Internet dongle without an Indian ID. And in almost every important building like malls, government offices or big companies, there are metal detectors.	Mar 13 10:48
schestowitz__	But at least they have good reasons to do that: foreign and local terrorist incidents, two countries that are not so good neighbors, and all despite they don't invade countries just for fun as the US.	Mar 13 10:48
schestowitz__	Hope this does not last so much.	Mar 13 10:48
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:48
schestowitz__	Metal detectors I can understand, but why mass surveillance?	Mar 13 10:48
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3748009	Mar 13 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Blatant lie (marketing) from #google : "any information inside Google is safe from the government's prying eyes" http://www.campaignindia.in/Article/374775,sxsw14-eric-schmidt-on-julian-assange-gchq-russian-internet-censorship-and-robots.aspx		Mar 13 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.campaignindia.in \| SXSW14: Eric Schmidt on Julian Assange, GCHQ, Russian internet censorship and robots - News - Digital - Campaign India [ http://ur1.ca/gthzl ]		Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__	That's not funny, it's evil. A false sense of security can be worse than no privacy at all. We know that the NSA has boxes in Google that Google uses to cooperate and we know that the NSA also made successful frontal assaults on users. Both mean that people have no privacy in Google, but the worse of the two is the U SAP AT RIOT ACT that demands Google cooperate and lie about it. Schmidt should rather step down than cooperate but	Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__	there's more bad attitude in the article.	Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__	Both [Jared and I] felt that who gets to decide what information is public is a pretty fundamental issue in a democracy, and our general view is that we don't want random people leaking large amounts of data. We don't want random people leaking large amounts of health records or tax records - I don't think that serves society. It's better to have other mechanisms for whistleblowers that don't involve the data permanence problem;	Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__	because the information, once disclosed, is there forever and can be used against people.	Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__	That's really wrong and unless it's out of context it is a very evil twist on what whistle blowers and Wikileaks or Snowden in particular are doing. Neither simply dump private information, the organizations are set up to carefully expose public crime. This article makes it look like there's a conflict between Schmidt, and Wikileaks or Snowden, but it might be that they were all in agreement and this is selective quoting.	Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__	Wikileaks has a conflict with Schmidt and his buddy Jared:	Mar 13 10:55
schestowitz__	http://thestringer.com.au/google-and-the-nsa-whos-holding-the-shit-bag-now/	Mar 13 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thestringer.com.au \| Google and the NSA: Who’s holding the ‘shit-bag’ now? \| The Stringer [ http://ur1.ca/gugef ]		Mar 13 10:55
schestowitz__	Read it. This is illuminating.	Mar 13 10:55
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3751189	Mar 13 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "CIA hacked Senate PCs to delete #torture reports." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/11/senator_feinstein_outraged_that_cia_hacked_her_computers_for_torture_evidence/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/11/senator_feinstein_outraged_that_cia_hacked_her_computers_for_torture_evidence/		Mar 13 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| CIA hacked Senate PCs to delete torture reports. And Senator Feinstein is outraged • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/guger ]		Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	I like <a href="http://stallman.org/archives/2014-jan-apr.html#12March2014(CIAunderminedconstitutionbysearchingsenate_computers)">RMS's take</a>, to welcome the change and help. <blockquote>Rather than condemning her for "self-contradiction" or "hypocrisy", we should invite her to change her previous views.</blockquote>	Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	Maybe, unlike Merkel, the change is real and will be long lasting. If we reward her for it and make her feel welcome and heroic, we can increase the chances of it being so. In any case, we should thank her for saying some of the right things.	Mar 13 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org \| 2014: January - April Political Notes - Richard Stallman [ http://ur1.ca/guget ]		Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 10:56
MinceR	schestowitz__: pretty much the same thing happened even where weren't sanctions. also, they could at least provide fuel to their own citizens, but they don't, afaik	Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__	maybe	Mar 13 10:57
schestowitz__	but there were coup attempts	Mar 13 10:57
schestowitz__	and still, I heard they had enjoyed healthcare	Mar 13 10:57
schestowitz__	much of the bad publiciuty may be slanted because I mostly see it in US media	Mar 13 10:57
schestowitz__	so far	Mar 13 10:57
schestowitz__	TBH, i don't even think it has much to do with political systems	Mar 13 10:58
schestowitz__	it's abotu whose interests are served	Mar 13 10:58
schestowitz__	as stories of banana republics serve to show	Mar 13 10:58
schestowitz__	so to frame it as socialism vs capitalism rather than independent from US empire vs client nation would be serving the propaganda	Mar 13 10:59
MinceR	extreme authoritarian systems tend to be the same regardless of whether they frame themselves as communist/socialist or capitalist or whatever	Mar 13 11:00
schestowitz__	is capitalism orthogonal to authority	Mar 13 11:01
schestowitz__	Remember that capitalism and democracy are not the same	Mar 13 11:01
schestowitz__	India and Sweden may be examples of that	Mar 13 11:01
schestowitz__	here in the UK there's lots of stuff I can't legally do	Mar 13 11:01
MinceR	the word capitalism is used to refer multiple conflicting things	Mar 13 11:01
schestowitz__	socialism, AFAIK, is also about distribution of means	Mar 13 11:02
schestowitz__	you can have it managed 'softly'	Mar 13 11:02
schestowitz__	liberally	Mar 13 11:02
schestowitz__	Russia has huge economic disparity	Mar 13 11:02
MinceR	afaik socialism is also what communists rebranded themselves to after they realized people didn't want it	Mar 13 11:02
schestowitz__	AND it's authoritarian	Mar 13 11:03
MinceR	kadar renamed his party like that, for example	Mar 13 11:03
MinceR	notice the parallel to m$'s search engine and instant messenger :>	Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__	heh	Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__	they call it what now?	Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__	Last I read, they planned to collapse IM into Skype	Mar 13 11:03
MinceR	they did	Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__	And Live is going extinct as a brand	Mar 13 11:03
MinceR	maybe it's still available for suxbox users	Mar 13 11:04
schestowitz__	They use the "Office" and "Bing" brands now	Mar 13 11:04
MinceR	i can't even follow all the things they called "live"	Mar 13 11:04
schestowitz__	neither can they	Mar 13 11:04
schestowitz__	I hardly follow MS news these days	Mar 13 11:04
schestowitz__	unlesss someone brings that to me	Mar 13 11:04
Sosumi	don't worry about it	Mar 13 11:24
Sosumi	with m$ now	Mar 13 11:24
Sosumi	it's just more of the same	Mar 13 11:24
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444073527474667520	Mar 13 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Samsung Galaxy Back Door, #NSA Malware, Congressional Backlash, More #Drone Strikes, and #Ukraine Intervention http://t.co/cfEzvFglMB		Mar 13 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Samsung Galaxy Back Door, NSA Malware, Congressional Backlash, More Drone Strikes, and Ukraine Intervention \| Techrights		Mar 13 11:35
schestowitz__	> Those overlap with the backdoors in the second processor I've linked to	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	> before. I'm also starting to wonder if any FOSS on the mobiles is	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	> pointless until the second processor and its OS get addressed. It's	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	> been ignored but clearly that's where the real covert access and	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	> surveillance happens. Replicant is a great idea and necessary for the	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	> visible processor, but it looks like it is just as important to get that	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	> hidden second processor covered by FOSS. I'm sure that if such a	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	> project were to turn up it would be a heck of a fight to get it actually	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	> certified. Certification is apparently why that backdoored system gets	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	> taken as is, there's nothing else.	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	The latest find may suggest that not only the second OS is the issue. I need to look at the technical details..	Mar 13 11:38
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444075039307358209	Mar 13 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Cecond OS in phones (which facilitates back doors, turning mobiles to listening devices) shows that mixing FOSS with blobs never good enough		Mar 13 11:46
schestowitz__	*Second	Mar 13 11:46
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444079933900734464	Mar 13 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Links 13/3/2014: Games http://t.co/nGhFj6j1Vy Applications http://t.co/zYN29xIG3i Instructionals http://t.co/N8uQg83tTY #techrights		Mar 13 11:59
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor confirming stuff that many fear. #android #backdoor		Mar 13 12:01
schestowitz__	"@XRevan86 that´s Nerdtalk sweety :-) What??? :-D"	Mar 13 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gty26 ]		Mar 13 12:01
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/444077999345139712	Mar 13 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@markhughes: MT @schestowitz #Samsung OS in phone w #backdoor, turning mobiles to #surveillance devices shows mixing #FOSS with blobs never good enough		Mar 13 12:02
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 12:11
schestowitz__	I mean that I didn't find explanation of how this backdoor works in an article so I can't say what you have to do to prevent it %).	Mar 13 12:11
schestowitz__	If radiomodule has a FS driver for a backdoor then you can change a FS in order to prevent it working. Like if it works with ext4 then use f2fs and vice versa.	Mar 13 12:11
schestowitz__	If it uses blobs in OS in order to communicate with OS then… well, Replicant would not need to do anything to close a backdoor because they don't use blobs at all.	Mar 13 12:11
schestowitz__	Also about f2fs: support of f2fs included in Linux 3.8+. But I don't know any other ways to reformat except from recovery (CWM, TWRP) and they doesn't seem to have f2fs support %).	Mar 13 12:11
schestowitz__	I mean that I didn't find explanation of how this backdoor works in an article so I can't say what you have to do to prevent it %).	Mar 13 12:11
schestowitz__	If radiomodule has a FS driver for a backdoor then you can change a FS in order to prevent it working. Like if it works with ext4 then use f2fs and vice versa.	Mar 13 12:11
schestowitz__	If it uses blobs in OS in order to communicate with OS then… well, Replicant would not need to do anything to close a backdoor because they don't use blobs at all.	Mar 13 12:11
schestowitz__	Also about f2fs: support of f2fs included in Linux 3.8+. But I don't know any other ways to reformat except from recovery (CWM, TWRP) and they doesn't seem to have f2fs support %).	Mar 13 12:11
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 12:11
MinceR	you could just block those calls like the replicant guys' patch does	Mar 13 12:11
MinceR	and see what breaks :>	Mar 13 12:12
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Lemtzas/status/444111764313997312	Mar 13 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lemtzas: @schestowitz I CAN FEEL THE FREEDOM FROM HERE		Mar 13 15:35
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/RezwanRazani/status/444111664821309440	Mar 13 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RezwanRazani: @schestowitz Have you read Jaron Lanier's "Who Owns The Future"? sounds like the same topic. I got it at the Library. Will purchase soon.		Mar 13 15:35
schestowitz__	I don't like Lanier	Mar 13 15:36
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 15:39
schestowitz__	"@Cheery Littlebottom, I wrote a lot in my bad English, sorry :-D."	Mar 13 15:39
schestowitz__	"Veery good English :-) whish I had written like this in your age! I found this, but don´t understand :-D http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/SamsungGalaxyBackdoor #Replicant is an alternative Android https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor so I assumed my CyanogenMod device is safe :-)"	Mar 13 15:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gtxwi ]		Mar 13 15:40
schestowitz__	"it runs as root - if I am root there can´t be another???? Still rooting my device soon because this backdoor was in one of the apps you can´t deinstall - except you are root :-)"	Mar 13 15:41
schestowitz__	" Thank you for a link, now I see that suggestion about changing FS is totally useless %). New suggestion: either install Replicant, either install replacements for blobs from Replicant into OmniROM, CyanogenMod or else. And no, your CyanogenMod is not safe because CyanogenMod uses blobs a lot. Including affected one."	Mar 13 15:41
schestowitz__	"thanx!!!!"	Mar 13 15:41
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/RezwanRazani/status/444152836814032896	Mar 13 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RezwanRazani: @schestowitz Yes, I looked at it. Read the @AlinaSimone piece. It's not adequate. It's begging for change. http://t.co/sWtkQj8qKZ		Mar 13 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fusionenergyleague.org \| Begging for Change: The Dollars and Sense of Making Nonprofits Responsive, Efficient, and Rewarding		Mar 13 16:50
Sosumi	http://lgbtweekly.com/2013/03/20/leading-ukraine-opposition-figure-surprises-supporters-by-denouncing-gay-marriage/	Mar 13 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lgbtweekly.com \| Leading Ukraine Opposition figure surprises supporters by denouncing gay marriage \| LGBT Weekly [ http://ur1.ca/guiiw ]		Mar 13 17:29
Sosumi	Yatsenyuk doesn't like gay ppl	Mar 13 17:32
Sosumi	meanwhile in the land of the rising sun	Mar 13 17:33
Sosumi	6,3 earthquake near kyuchu	Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Mar 13 17:34
DaemonFC	4 seconds ago	Mar 13 17:34
DaemonFC	http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20140102/big-cigarette-tax-hikes-might-prevent-200-million-deaths-in-a-century	Mar 13 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webmd.com \| Big Cigarette Tax Hikes Might Prevent 200 Million Deaths in a Century – WebMD [ http://ur1.ca/guijw ]		Mar 13 17:34
DaemonFC	It has been well documented that major tax increases are the biggest deterrent to smoking.	Mar 13 17:34
DaemonFC	In the United States, I believe that Congress should raise the tax until you can't go to a state in the country where the price of a pack is under $8.	Mar 13 17:34
DaemonFC	They should also pass legislation that reverses the Supreme Court's decision that said that Congress can't force tobacco companies to use plain packaging and graphic warnings. Making it illegal to use the current pack designs might be "unconstitutional", but making a law that says that there's an additional $10 tax per pack that does not meet the plain package and graphic warning requirements set by the FDA would be legal under Congress's power	Mar 13 17:34
DaemonFC	to tax, which was most recently affirmed by the Supreme Court in their NFIB v. Sebelius ruling, which upheld the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.	Mar 13 17:34
Sosumi	fukushima and other closed down installations still standing	Mar 13 17:35
Sosumi	even if they aren't :)	Mar 13 17:35
Sosumi	smoke glue instead	Mar 13 17:35
Sosumi	or snort gas	Mar 13 17:35
Sosumi	much cheaper	Mar 13 17:35
Sosumi	and you get to die in the same fashion	Mar 13 17:36
Sosumi	no! smoke gas	Mar 13 17:36
Sosumi	but sorry, I just don't see what is the enthusiasm in smelling bad and holding a mini torch	Mar 13 17:38
Sosumi	http://www.voanews.com/content/merkel-russia-risks-massive-damage-in-ukraine-crisis/1870218.html	Mar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com \| Kerry: US, Europe Will Respond if Crimea Referendum Passes [ http://ur1.ca/guikx ]		Mar 13 17:40
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444164443128496128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444163156483780608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444161879183990785 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444161609238609920	Mar 13 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #RedHat kicks out sponsor, then relents http://t.co/FIJRYfqI6e "got itself into Red Hat's bad books by competing against it"		Mar 13 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itwire.com \| Red Hat kicks out sponsor, then relents		Mar 13 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How times have changed for #PostgreSQL http://t.co/w4L6EuDwle #postgres I have worked with a lot recently		Mar 13 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com \| PostgreSQL education and adoption has changed for the better \| opensource.com		Mar 13 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: R.I.P FREE SPEECH: Protesters can now be charged $750 or 2 years gaol for attending protests in Victoria http://t.co/Y9phpGbiGS #au		Mar 13 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> talkingpoints.com.au \| R.I.P FREE SPEECH: Protesters can now be charged $750 or 2 years gaol for attending protests in Victoria		Mar 13 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Playing with pebbles of democracy https://t.co/2hHTKAG4IM		Mar 13 17:41
Sosumi	europe's answer = preparing for winters without heating	Mar 13 17:41
DaemonFC	Sosumi: American cigarettes are among the most dangerous in the world, with maybe an exception for the ones that are certified organic.	Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__	DaemonFC: good news re cigs	Mar 13 17:41
DaemonFC	Those aren't good for you either, but they're not "as bad".	Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__	bernays and other idiots killed my grandma	Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__	brainwashing women into smoking	Mar 13 17:41
Sosumi	USA's answer = leave afeghanistan without their equipment because they wont be using the russian corridor to ship everything back	Mar 13 17:42
schestowitz__	lol	Mar 13 17:42
DaemonFC	schestowitz__: Well, it appeals to them because you do tend to keep weight off when you smoke, but it's not worth the trade.	Mar 13 17:42
schestowitz__	eventually all the flesh is gone	Mar 13 17:42
DaemonFC	So you're 10 pounds lighter and you're destroying your body with cigarettes.	Mar 13 17:42
schestowitz__	and you're just calcium	Mar 13 17:42
DaemonFC	Much worse to smoke than to be 10 pounds heavier.	Mar 13 17:43
schestowitz__	but it may be good for pensions companies	Mar 13 17:43
schestowitz__	which is a business many financial 'firms' are in	Mar 13 17:43
schestowitz__	konock a tax from people's wages and never give returns	Mar 13 17:43
DaemonFC	I'll tell you how to lose 20 pounds in a year.	Mar 13 17:43
DaemonFC	Cut out two cans of soda per day.	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	yeah, that's one	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	we gained wweight here and now compete to lose it	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	around 4 KG each	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	one way is, low fat milk	Mar 13 17:44
schestowitz__	no ddesserts almost	Mar 13 17:45
schestowitz__	no added oil, more fruit	Mar 13 17:45
schestowitz__	no peanuts and other famous fattening foods	Mar 13 17:45
schestowitz__	more exercise and even 6 classes of yoga! in the heat, like a sauna	Mar 13 17:45
schestowitz__	played vollyball today in the sun for two hours	Mar 13 17:45
MinceR	182849 < Sosumi> http://lgbtweekly.com/2013/03/20/leading-ukraine-opposition-figure-surprises-supporters-by-denouncing-gay-marriage/	Mar 13 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lgbtweekly.com \| Leading Ukraine Opposition figure surprises supporters by denouncing gay marriage \| LGBT Weekly [ http://ur1.ca/guiiw ]		Mar 13 17:48
MinceR	as expected from a member of an EPP observer member party	Mar 13 17:48
Sosumi	EPP?	Mar 13 17:48
MinceR	european people's party	Mar 13 17:48
MinceR	the same organization fidesz and kdnp are members of	Mar 13 17:49
MinceR	and where most of the european governments belong currently	Mar 13 17:49
MinceR	perhaps it's time for europeans to come to their fucking senses and stop supporting these fundamentalist parties	Mar 13 17:50
Sosumi	ho the PSD group	Mar 13 17:50
MinceR	psd group?	Mar 13 17:50
Sosumi	yes, the group to which the current coalition government here in portugal belongs to	Mar 13 17:52
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112	Mar 13 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?		Mar 13 17:52
Sosumi	*p00rtugal	Mar 13 17:52
schestowitz__	"Who do you serve, and who do you trust?"	Mar 13 17:52
Sosumi	RT at moment needs house clearing	Mar 13 17:53
schestowitz__	I serve free, just society, and I trust almost none of the corporate (private, for power/profit) press	Mar 13 17:53
Sosumi	and stop serving as the feed for the libertarian demagogues	Mar 13 17:54
MinceR	ah, the portuguese EPP member party	Mar 13 17:54
cubezzz	MinceR, so has Hungary switched more to linux now?	Mar 13 17:57
MinceR	i don't know	Mar 13 17:57
DaemonFC	schestowitz__: Yeah, my first job was a union job.	Mar 13 17:57
MinceR	from what i see, the country is still a wretched hive of m$ cultism	Mar 13 17:57
DaemonFC	They got us decent pay and good health insurance. Short and Long Term Disability insurance. Good dental insurance.	Mar 13 17:57
MinceR	people clinging to their unusable crap with 10 fingers	Mar 13 17:58
DaemonFC	The union had what was basically a backdoor dues system.	Mar 13 17:58
MinceR	they seem to love their crappy vista7 and their craptastic exchange and outlook	Mar 13 17:58
DaemonFC	They had a "pension plan" where the company would contribute like 50 cents per hour worked, but you had to work there 7 years or else you didn't qualify to get any of your pension back.	Mar 13 17:58
MinceR	the government are a bunch of crApple cultists	Mar 13 17:59
DaemonFC	So the union just made off with all the pension money I earned during the two years I was there.	Mar 13 17:59
cubezzz	some Hungarian teachers made SuliX and also Frugalware is Hugarian	Mar 13 17:59
MinceR	yeah, there's a bit of resistance	Mar 13 17:59
MinceR	on the other hand, mobile and Android are taking over here too, it seems	Mar 13 18:00
MinceR	so maybe m$ will end up losing due to the PC being marginalized here as well	Mar 13 18:01
cubezzz	things are changing, as they always do	Mar 13 18:01
cubezzz	you mentioned you used mwm at work, what OS is that running on?	Mar 13 18:03
MinceR	a fork of SLED	Mar 13 18:03
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/terminsane/status/444171581204353024	Mar 13 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@terminsane: @schestowitz yeh, its part of the NAU deal. Canadian politicians are being bought by US govt to give up canadian sovereignty		Mar 13 18:04
MinceR	well, if it deserves to be called a fork	Mar 13 18:04
cubezzz	I wonder why they picked mwm	Mar 13 18:14
MinceR	probably because that system is ancient and mwm was modern when they started developing it :>	Mar 13 18:17
Sosumi	canada is part of the commonwealth	Mar 13 18:18
MinceR	i wonder if the monarch abuses her privileges there like in the uk	Mar 13 18:18
Sosumi	for that to happen, the british crown would have to give up sovereignty on canada	Mar 13 18:18
cubezzz	MinceR, I found that mwm does run faster than KDE 3.5	Mar 13 18:18
MinceR	i'm pretty sure canadians could declare independence if they wanted to	Mar 13 18:18
cubezzz	uses less memory too	Mar 13 18:19
MinceR	fvwm uses even less memory, afaik :>	Mar 13 18:20
cubezzz	lol, I remember one guy who wouldn't even run X	Mar 13 18:20
MinceR	i remember hearing about such guys here, around 2000	Mar 13 18:20
MinceR	(as in the year, not the number of guys)	Mar 13 18:21
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 13 18:24
DaemonFC	Unlike Laz, I am fair and impartial. When a company has been behaving badly, I don't try to sweep it all under the rug.	Mar 13 18:24
DaemonFC	In this case, it's a Samsung specific issue. If anyone can prove that my LG G2 has been similarly booby trapped, then I'll gladly eat some humble pie.	Mar 13 18:24
DaemonFC	The most disturbing part of this is that Samsung devices are all Google certified, so either Google knew of this backdoor in the proprietary libsamsung-ipc, and approved it anyway, or they overlooked it during the certification process.	Mar 13 18:24
DaemonFC	The problem with Android is that the version you get on actual devices always relies on some proprietary software. The thing that makes Apple worse is that iOS is almost completely proprietary and it is certainly not possible for anyone to ever release a corrected version of it without the spyware and backdoors.	Mar 13 18:24
DaemonFC	The beauty of Freedom respecting software is that if someone makes a version that does something nasty, someone else can come along and fix it, and that's exactly what Replicant's developers did in this case. They saw what libsamsung-ipc did, and replaced it with a fully Free library that stands in for it without the booby trap that Samsung put in theirs.	Mar 13 18:24
DaemonFC	On the whole, Android is a better choice than iOS, even if it has some of the same problems as iOS, because nobody can ever fix iOS and offer iPhone or iPad users a choice. The best that anyone can do with iOS is crack it, replace part of the OS, and open up the possibility of additional software sources, after voiding the warranty.	Mar 13 18:24
cubezzz	dude, it's like you're blogging _in_ IRC	Mar 13 18:24
DaemonFC	yeah :)	Mar 13 18:24
MinceR	i doubt google audits stuff like this for their certification	Mar 13 18:25
cubezzz	did mwm ever have a program to access the clipboard?	Mar 13 18:28
MinceR	isn't xsel good enough? :>	Mar 13 18:29
MinceR	or xclipboard	Mar 13 18:29
MinceR	or even parcellite	Mar 13 18:30
cubezzz	http://maxhost.org/other/nouveau-retro-desktop.png	Mar 13 18:36
DaemonFC	Someone said that Obama voters believe that he can turn water into wine.	Mar 13 18:36
DaemonFC	I said, "He can turn water into wine, the same way that anyone else can. Through a scientific process that goes back at least several thousand years."	Mar 13 18:36
MinceR	cubezzz: klipper sticks out :>	Mar 13 18:37
cubezzz	that's the nouveau part :)	Mar 13 18:37
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 13 18:44
DaemonFC	Christians believe that their demigod walked on water.	Mar 13 18:44
DaemonFC	generalblue (Proud PS4 Owner) says:	Mar 13 18:44
DaemonFC	Liberals believe that Obama can turn water into wine.	Mar 13 18:44
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 13 18:44
DaemonFC	Obama can turn water into wine the same way anyone else can.	Mar 13 18:44
DaemonFC	Through a scientific process that goes back at least several thousand years.	Mar 13 18:44
MinceR	:>	Mar 13 18:44
MinceR	it's more of a traditional one than a scientific one, really	Mar 13 18:45
MinceR	some people discovered they like spoiled fruit juice :>	Mar 13 18:45
cubezzz	xclipboard must have been dropped by most distros	Mar 13 18:45
MinceR	i've only seen it mentioned in the xsel docs	Mar 13 18:46
MinceR	didn't really look for it :>	Mar 13 18:46
cubezzz	very quaint, it shows one line at a time	Mar 13 18:52
cubezzz	no wonder everybody dumped it	Mar 13 18:53
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757627	Mar 13 18:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Playing with pebbles of democracy https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_56dbef74d7fb4bc55bb3.jpg		Mar 13 18:53
schestowitz__	"Lots of democracy."	Mar 13 18:53
schestowitz__	http://www.zdnet.com/ibm-is-spending-but-is-it-enough-to-buy-the-cloud-7000026796/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9	Mar 13 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| IBM is spending, but is it enough to buy the cloud? \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/guj3w ]		Mar 13 19:10
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444183787841531906 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444186329027727360 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444188404176404480 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444189723591200768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190041481703424	Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gentoo and #sabayon #gnu #linux have been eerily quiet for a number of months. Are they done compiling (not Sabayon, Gentoo)?		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Eurocom Begins Offering #gnu #linux High Performance Laptops http://t.co/oCUxevplQE		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Eurocom Begins Offering Linux High Performance Laptops		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Raspberry Pi: Fun with a serious purpose http://t.co/Kihdef0JFS #raspberrypi #linux		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Raspberry Pi: Fun with a serious purpose \| ZDNet		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Tim Berners-Lee's first browser was simple and text-driven. " no DRM. http://t.co/JGyrG0HXt7		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| The browser's resized future in a fragmented www world • The Register		Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.		Mar 13 19:26
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190312014311424 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190588112748544 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190950479659008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444191706305818625 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444192088843108353	Mar 13 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Getty Images Allows Free Embedding, but at What Cost to Privacy? https://t.co/cdMlWcsEo5 so it was a publicity stunt only. #getty #fail		Mar 13 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eff.org \| Getty Images Allows Free Embedding, but at What Cost to Privacy? \| Electronic Frontier Foundation		Mar 13 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM http://t.co/mLX5TTjUh3 #drm #timbl #lockin #hollyweb		Mar 13 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM \| Technology \| theguardian.com		Mar 13 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Tim Berners-Lee: 'We should have ways of protecting people like Snowden' http://t.co/wEgBMehfUm and #hollywood apparently		Mar 13 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Tim Berners-Lee: 'We should have ways of protecting people like Snowden' \| Technology \| theguardian.com		Mar 13 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google tries to protect the #privacy of Chinese citizens while trashing privacy of Westerners http://t.co/ddewmiWeMJ it's all political then		Mar 13 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - Google encrypts search text in China		Mar 13 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google's latest publicity stunt neglects to mention that Google, the MITM, gives #nsa and #gchq access to the text data. #privacy #pr #spin		Mar 13 19:27
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Sosumi	http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462551&d=1393353919	Mar 13 19:42
Sosumi	lol	Mar 13 19:42
Sosumi	also mega accident just now at my corner of the street	Mar 13 19:43
Sosumi	a dude just crashed his pegaut roadster in a parked car	Mar 13 19:43
Sosumi	*into	Mar 13 19:44
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Sosumi	the dude didn't get any injuries	Mar 13 19:45
Sosumi	but the crashing and all the pieces flying	Mar 13 19:45
Sosumi	awesome	Mar 13 19:45
DaemonFC	Someone told me that a person isn't poor if they have a DVD player.	Mar 13 19:47
DaemonFC	I said "Wow, you've solved the problem. Let's just give everyone a $20 DVD player and nobody will be poor!"	Mar 13 19:47
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DaemonFC	It's still pretty easy to get a massive television set for free if you're not picky.	Mar 13 19:48
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DaemonFC	People give away those old standard definition sets all the time.	Mar 13 19:48
DaemonFC	You can get an antenna and a DTV to analog converter for a song.	Mar 13 19:48
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444196619727405056	Mar 13 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Android-based robot aims for Rubik’s Cube record http://t.co/yPmggrWE1e #android #linux		Mar 13 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxgizmos.com \| Android-based robot aims for Rubik's Cube record · LinuxGizmos.com		Mar 13 19:55
DaemonFC	The city did something really dumb.	Mar 13 19:56
DaemonFC	They waited more than 24 hours after the snow storm to plow my street. It's all going to melt tomorrow anyway.	Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747933	Mar 13 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: World Bank to lend #Ukraine $3bn http://rt.com/business/world-bank-3bn-ukraine-042/ a banker's 'solution' is life-long #debt		Mar 13 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> rt.com \| World Bank to lend Ukraine $3bn — RT Business [ http://ur1.ca/gtnrq ]		Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__	"I have read Al Jazeera news a few times and were surprisingly good, but I don't like so much muslim countries so I don't look for Al Jazeera news on my own."	Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758143	Mar 13 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.		Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	"He used a NEXT computer (with NEXTStep running on it), according to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb#History And of course NEXTStep contained large chunks of BSD (NetBSD and FreeBSD I think) so Unix is right."	Mar 13 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| WorldWideWeb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gujcx ]		Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757233	Mar 13 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When systems are designed with back doors in mind (as in NEEDING those) it should be no surprise that financial transactions are risky		Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	"I have been seriously thinking about having some cash in my house because of that."	Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112	Mar 13 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?		Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	"Still no interest in whole truth."	Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__	"I don't like Russia so much but certainly I like RT News, I try to take whatever is good."	Mar 13 19:59
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 19:59
schestowitz__	@Cronos, it's a pity that there isn't anything like RT in Russian %).	Mar 13 19:59
schestowitz__	Quality of Russian TV is… something.	Mar 13 19:59
schestowitz__	'	Mar 13 19:59
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758018	Mar 13 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gentoo and #sabayon #gnu #linux have been eerily quiet for a number of months. Are they done compiling (not Sabayon, Gentoo)?		Mar 13 20:00
schestowitz__	"never ending story :P probably re-compiling with more optimal flags"	Mar 13 20:00
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444203797217562624	Mar 13 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Kernel News: Linux 3.14 RC6, MOOC, ARM Support in Xen and More http://t.co/3Cnffqjtnn #linux news		Mar 13 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Kernel News: Linux 3.14 RC6, MOOC, ARM Support in Xen and More \| Techrights		Mar 13 20:11
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444205495008915457	Mar 13 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Today in #Techrights http://t.co/PvGhxXWuGb		Mar 13 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Mar 13 20:18
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757754	Mar 13 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I remember days when Linux Journal was a Web site about #linux ... oh, the memories...		Mar 13 20:22
schestowitz__	"Yup, I was reading Linux gazette also http://linuxgazette.net/archives.html ... so many years ago..."	Mar 13 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgazette.net \| Linux Gazette : Archives		Mar 13 20:22
schestowitz__	I was thinking about them too earlier today	Mar 13 20:22
DaemonFC	https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/1921081_726786257355858_308957311_o.jpg	Mar 13 20:28
MinceR	at least you have real roads	Mar 13 20:29
schestowitz__	DaemonFC: I like this joke	Mar 13 20:37
schestowitz__	seen similar	Mar 13 20:37
schestowitz__	MinceR: does absurdistan have no real roads?	Mar 13 20:38
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444207673085812736 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444209306620428288	Mar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Which FOSS libraries are the most common on Android platform http://t.co/1PDRFmAi6t		Mar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.advogato.org \| Advogato: Which FOSS libraries are the most common on Android platform		Mar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "First they came for the Muslims, but I was not a Muslim so did not speak up." http://t.co/dqB00xAm4g		Mar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> anniemachon.ch \| Niemoeller Redux - Using Our Intelligence		Mar 13 20:38
MinceR	schestowitz__: it has pathetic roads	Mar 13 20:43
Sosumi	DaemonFC, a jetpack would do the trick in there	Mar 13 20:43
MinceR	not enough lanes, extremely low quality, stupid signage	Mar 13 20:43
MinceR	in budapest, they made sure there was not enough space left for roads, even	Mar 13 20:44
Sosumi	we don't have that kind of problem here	Mar 13 20:45
Sosumi	only some small interneraries serving remote places are like that,	Mar 13 20:46
Sosumi	to the point if there is car coming on the oposite direction	Mar 13 20:46
Sosumi	you need to get out of the road	Mar 13 20:46
DaemonFC	I try to minimize the amount of time I drive.	Mar 13 20:54
DaemonFC	With gas being what it is, I tend to combine trips as much as possible.	Mar 13 20:54
DaemonFC	Like, I'll do laundry and grocery shopping on the day that I have to go to the doctor's office.	Mar 13 20:55
DaemonFC	That way I'm not running around, burning another gallon of gas to do the same stuff on different trips.	Mar 13 20:56
DaemonFC	When my car was made, gas was $1.10 a gallon on a bad day.	Mar 13 20:56
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444214887620030464	Mar 13 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #phoronix gets it wrong http://t.co/yRbVTkgIxA		Mar 13 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gamedev.net \| I almost fell for this... - OpenGL - GameDev.net		Mar 13 21:02
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758143	Mar 13 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.		Mar 13 21:02
schestowitz__	"That's what Cern shows http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/WorldWideWeb.html the first client was built on a Next workstation. <img src="http://www.w3.org/History/1994/WWW/Journals/CACM/screensnap2_24c.gif">"	Mar 13 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3.org \| Tim Berners-Lee: WorldWideWeb, the first Web client [ http://ur1.ca/gujnh ]		Mar 13 21:03
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757147	Mar 13 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Amazon: hosting illegally-obtained data (with $600m contract) for criminal #cia but dumping #wikileaks from its servers for showing crimes		Mar 13 21:03
schestowitz__	"We got this thing under control ... "	Mar 13 21:03
schestowitz__	Amazon made its showcase, got a big. lucrative deal	Mar 13 21:03
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sebsebseb_	schestowitz__: HI	Mar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_	MinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi this Saturday	Mar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_	I got the oppertunity to uhmm	Mar 13 21:22
sebsebseb_	promote openSUSE with KDE to teh general public hmm	Mar 13 21:22
MinceR	ew	Mar 13 21:22
sebsebseb_	or	Mar 13 21:22
sebsebseb_	Ubuntu with UNity	Mar 13 21:22
sebsebseb_	or	Mar 13 21:22
sebsebseb_	Mint with Cinnamon	Mar 13 21:22
sebsebseb_	I think they pruposuly out voted Magiea and GNOME 3 in November, thinking I would just say it's better than the other stuff etc	Mar 13 21:23
Sosumi	mint with cinnamon for the lesser evil	Mar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: yeah or Ubuntu with UNity ?	Mar 13 21:23
Sosumi	hasn't Markie Shutleworm kind of fallen out of favor?	Mar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_	well yes and no	Mar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_	,but htis event is aimed at general public	Mar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_	not that technical people	Mar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_	the idea is they pick an interface rather htan a distro	Mar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_	or mainly pick something by interface	Mar 13 21:24
Sosumi	I see	Mar 13 21:24
Sosumi	then it is a tie between mint and ubuntu	Mar 13 21:25
sebsebseb_	they will have the same kind of plymouth theme	Mar 13 21:25
sebsebseb_	and same kind of addiontal apps mainly	Mar 13 21:25
sebsebseb_	codecs etc	Mar 13 21:25
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: yeah openSUSE pft	Mar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_	plenty of other distros that do KDE good	Mar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_	oh and Yast that aparnatly is so good uhmmm, there's that nice control centre in Magiea and such	Mar 13 21:26
Sosumi	DaemonFC, I've been using public transportation as of late,	Mar 13 21:26
MinceR	yeah, yast is so good	Mar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_	MinceR: yeah that's sarcasm?	Mar 13 21:26
MinceR	for example, when i start yast from the icewm menu, it asks for the password and then does nothing	Mar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_	like saying oh, Yast is so amazing? when it's not?	Mar 13 21:26
MinceR	and when i start it from rxvt-native, the whole screen falls apart	Mar 13 21:27
Sosumi	with my current schedule, there is no point and I get to my destination way faster without the need to find a parking spot	Mar 13 21:27
MinceR	afaict it's rather ill-behaved	Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_	well at least the video that's going to be used for the event	Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_	makes it nice and clear in the open suse review	Mar 13 21:27
MinceR	then again, that's what i generally find with Microsoft Linux, SuSE Edition	Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_	that it's more for power users	Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_	that should put some peope off I guess :D	Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_	and KDE is all gekey etc	Mar 13 21:28
sebsebseb_	anyway seems I am heping in the demo area :)	Mar 13 21:28
sebsebseb_	where they get to play around with the three distros	Mar 13 21:28
Sosumi	KDE is cool, could be a lot better	Mar 13 21:28
sebsebseb_	means I can talk to people to then :D about stuff	Mar 13 21:28
MinceR	kde is not geeky	Mar 13 21:28
Sosumi	but still kewl	Mar 13 21:28
Sosumi	also nothing geeky about it	Mar 13 21:28
DaemonFC	The last time I used Yast, it crashed a lot, it was still using Qt3, which had been abandoned for 4 years upstream at that point, it was very slow updating the software list, it had conflicts between several repositories that OpenSUSE recommended, and the extension to deal with orphans was broken and could not be installed.	Mar 13 21:28
sebsebseb_	video first, demo area next, and then re mastered usb they get given else where and get to try on own machine if bought along	Mar 13 21:28
Sosumi	want to go geeky? just use the terminal	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: MinceR KDE looks like WIndows,but hten is realy geeky once trying to customise and such in my experience	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	get in a mess to moving icons around and such	Mar 13 21:29
MinceR	i mean kde seems to be aimed at non-geeky users, with lots of eye candy and little flexibility	Mar 13 21:29
MinceR	since 4.x	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	MinceR: I am not sure about that	Mar 13 21:29
MinceR	sure, it's not gnome3 :>	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	,but I Think what I just put still applys	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	once you start doing something more than just the basics	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	with KDE	Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_	get in a mess	Mar 13 21:30
sebsebseb_	that's why I put the background changer slide show on and that's about as far as I go when it comes to "trying" to cusotmise KDE	Mar 13 21:30
sebsebseb_	,becuase I Have had it before, the icons being moved arounda ll over on the panel and not being able to put back, and the buncy ball enabled and not just being able to disable it and stuff like that	Mar 13 21:30
sebsebseb_	Mageia is nice enough for KDE	Mar 13 21:31
sebsebseb_	as are most distros really that run KDE, but yeah it's openSUSE with KDE	Mar 13 21:31
sebsebseb_	for event	Mar 13 21:31
MinceR	stuff like that makes me value software that is configured via a text file :>	Mar 13 21:31
sebsebseb_	stuff like what?	Mar 13 21:31
MinceR	like openbox and the lxde panel	Mar 13 21:32
MinceR	oh, wrong "stuff"	Mar 13 21:32
sebsebseb_	I think i'll be in the demo area trying to sell Ubuntu or Mint :)	Mar 13 21:32
MinceR	stuff like KDE refusing to configure itself the way you want to	Mar 13 21:32
sebsebseb_	someone else can do suse a bit	Mar 13 21:32
MinceR	or forgetting its settings :>	Mar 13 21:32
*sebsebseb_ appanratly is good at marketing stuff like this		Mar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_	I guess give peple osme perosnal opinons and such to	Mar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_	and then let them decide	Mar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_	MinceR: Sosumi however what got me started chatting about all this again is uhmm	Mar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_	there's this other gorup that I go to, I gave a few flyers out before, about event, but still many peope won't know about it	Mar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_	people who may find it useful	Mar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_	or well some of them anyway	Mar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_	I was going to email the mailing list on Monday about the event, but I wasnt' happy with what I came up with each time I Tried etc	Mar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_	to geeky	Mar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_	I am going to be talking about events and so on next Thursday there as well it seems. ,but I am just thinking shoud I bother emailing them or not to the list	Mar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_	I Mean if I do that as wel, some may go to the event, and pick openSUSE uh	Mar 13 21:35
sebsebseb_	as well	Mar 13 21:35
sebsebseb_	openSUSE defiently has nice merchandice, but I woudn'treally recommend it as a distro to someone	Mar 13 21:35
MinceR	neither would i	Mar 13 21:35
sebsebseb_	KDE can run in plenty of other distros and nicely	Mar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_	yast uhmmm well Magiea etc has the control centre so uhmm, who needs yast really??	Mar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_	why woudn't you recommend openSUSE?	Mar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_	Mint has some settings type stuff to really	Mar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_	yast isn't needed	Mar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_	MinceR: also to promote LInux to people from my other group, well it's a speaking group :d	Mar 13 21:37
sebsebseb_	MinceR: so I don'treally ned them to come to an event such as this one on Saturday	Mar 13 21:37
sebsebseb_	that's what I am thinking	Mar 13 21:37
sebsebseb_	I can demo stuff on my netbook, an talk to people there about it, just genral talk, and sometimes in talks even	Mar 13 21:37
sebsebseb_	and then there isn't just peopel going off to some distro I didn't really want them to as such I guess as well, well ok they still decide stuff, but I think you get what I Mean?	Mar 13 21:38
sebsebseb_	if they go to event, they can pick up a remasterd USB, of Ubuntu, Mint, or openSUSE depending on what they choose	Mar 13 21:38
sebsebseb_	I think main reason I am hmm to emailing there is since it will seem a bit off topic, and I'll just make myself look much more geeky maybe and yeah uh	Mar 13 21:39
sebsebseb_	MinceR: comments?	Mar 13 21:40
MinceR	meh	Mar 13 21:41
sebsebseb_	MinceR: looking like a geeek, to much,can seem bad	Mar 13 21:41
sebsebseb_	MinceR: Sosumi Mint wel in for the event, since event is about live sessions	Mar 13 21:42
sebsebseb_	,but generally who needs Mint?	Mar 13 21:42
sebsebseb_	can run CInnamon in other distros now quite a few :) plus there are other similar interfaces around and yeah	Mar 13 21:43
sebsebseb_	I tried to get Mint out before sort of, and yeah	Mar 13 21:43
sebsebseb_	MinceR: 38 Facebook likes the other day I Think	Mar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_	MinceR: 54 when I lookd ealrier	Mar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_	ok so one of htose is mine, one is the other organtier, and maybe another one or two as well	Mar 13 21:45
sebsebseb_	,but I guess it means 50 "other" people liked the event ot	Mar 13 21:45
sebsebseb_	MinceR: and not sure how well the Google adveritsing is working or not	Mar 13 21:45
sebsebseb_	,but been coming up quite a lot apparnatly	Mar 13 21:45
sebsebseb_	so I guess the event will get the 50 to 80 or so expected people then, and witout me advertising it on the mailing list to that other group?	Mar 13 21:46
Sosumi	just see if someone else gets opensusie	Mar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: what do you mean?	Mar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: see if these "other" peopel from else whre, go and choose opensuse or whatever they choose?	Mar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_	is that what you mean?	Mar 13 21:47
Sosumi	yes	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: yep exactly that's what I am thinking	Mar 13 21:48
Sosumi	so that you get either mint or ubuntu	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	uh?	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: from my other gorup I am thinking I may be able to convert some to Magiea later on :d	Mar 13 21:48
Sosumi	well, if that other ppl get ubuntu and/or mint	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	some time	Mar 13 21:48
Sosumi	all you'll be left is with opensusie	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: ,but if they go to event	Mar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_	they may go to opensue or something maybe some of them I don't know	Mar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: the three of htem will be togehter on the demo pc's	Mar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: ,but if I mainly promote Ubuntu and Mint	Mar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_	then probably not that many will go with opensuse :D	Mar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_	they will want a Mint and Ubuntu remaster or both :)	Mar 13 21:49
Sosumi	ok	Mar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_	and openSUSE will be like h	Mar 13 21:50
Sosumi	good then	Mar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_	eh	Mar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_	plus I think the video makes it seem that opensuse is for power users quite technical etc	Mar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: yeah and the openSUSE guy uhmm	Mar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_	I am not htere to promtoe openSUSE that's my whole point	Mar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_	I would have been there promoting Mageia properly and GNOME 3, but they out voted that so	Mar 13 21:51
sebsebseb_	at lest that and Fedora is mentioned in hand out though	Mar 13 21:51
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: MinceR yeah FODEM this time went to no talks, spent two days promoting the newly releasedMageia 4 release to people instead at the stand	Mar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_	and now this event that's coming up on Saturdya, it seems I am doing Ubuntu and Mint, whilst mentioning Mageia a bit I guess as well	Mar 13 21:52
Sosumi	good	Mar 13 21:52
Sosumi	but I don't see the point in promoting gnome3	Mar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_	,ut would have liked toh ave done Mgaeia properly, andGNOME 3, but htey out voted that so	Mar 13 21:53
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: MinceR and also my point is, i people from my other gorup uhmmm may go to Magiea or something once I Talkd properly about that :)	Mar 13 21:53
sebsebseb_	some of htem	Mar 13 21:53
sebsebseb_	or might htink, oh that's interesitng, I want to know more	Mar 13 21:53
sebsebseb_	,but if htey go to event hten uhmm, they may go to opensuse or something	Mar 13 21:53
sebsebseb_	depends	Mar 13 21:53
Sosumi	https://twitter.com/Steiner1776/status/444200251713683456	Mar 13 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Steiner1776: #Ukraine #Donetsk Seems like the #Euromaidan #Nazi forces received a heavy beating tonight in #Donetsk http://t.co/1mQ7qiP4u8 via @blacbloc		Mar 13 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@euromaidan: Донецкое побоище сегодня. http://t.co/3HmYCw7LmN		Mar 13 21:54
sebsebseb_	anywayreally it's there event not mine, I Just decided to help out a bit in other ways anyway, since there woudn't hav been another event	Mar 13 21:55
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: MinceR and the re master idea uhmm right, ok used for dmoeing mainly, but better people learn how to start using offical ISO for a distro really :) if going to use	Mar 13 21:55
Sosumi	I'm going to bed	Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_	Sosumi: oh only 10pm though?	Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_	a bit early	Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_	?	Mar 13 21:56
Sosumi	sebsebseb, good luck at the event	Mar 13 21:57
Sosumi	I leave home at 6:40	Mar 13 21:57
sebsebseb_	oh	Mar 13 21:57
sebsebseb_	in the morning	Mar 13 21:57
sebsebseb_	ok fair enough then	Mar 13 21:57
Sosumi	go to the gym, classes at 9	Mar 13 21:57
Sosumi	at home by 13:30	Mar 13 21:58
Sosumi	then study do some work	Mar 13 21:58
Sosumi	gn	Mar 13 21:58
cubezzz	I'm seeing a lot of ntp shenanigans these days	Mar 13 22:04
cubezzz	sebsebseb, didn't mageia have a KDE 3.5 version?	Mar 13 22:05
cubezzz	simplymageia or something	Mar 13 22:05
sebsebseb_	cubezzz: nope	Mar 13 22:12
sebsebseb_	don't think so	Mar 13 22:12
sebsebseb_	nope	Mar 13 22:12
sebsebseb_	it supports KDE 4 and not 3	Mar 13 22:12
sebsebseb_	cubezzz: ntp shenagisns oh what you mean?	Mar 13 22:12
cubezzz	http://thehackernews.com/2014/02/NTP-Distributed-Denial-of-Service-DDoS-attack.html	Mar 13 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com \| Largest Ever 400Gbps DDoS attack hits Europe uses NTP Amplification - The Hacker News [ http://ur1.ca/gujvx ]		Mar 13 22:15
cubezzz	sebsebseb, yeah there was something called "simplymageia" but it seems to have disappeared	Mar 13 22:16
cubezzz	maybe it's old	Mar 13 22:16
sebsebseb_	that's not offical whatever that is	Mar 13 22:16
sebsebseb_	I think	Mar 13 22:16
MinceR	gn	Mar 13 22:17
DaemonFC	schestowitz__: We should call on the CyanogenMod maintainers to oust libsamsung-ipc and replace it with the library from Replicant.	Mar 13 22:45
DaemonFC	That would fix this particular backdoor without totally crippling the phone. :P	Mar 13 22:45
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DaemonFC	Watching Star Trek: First Contact on Blu Ray.	Mar 14 00:19
DaemonFC	Mom was pissed at me because she dragged us all to some chick flick in 1996, and I snuck into the theater that was playing Star Trek: First Contact instead. She didn't realize I wasn't in their theater until their movie was over.	Mar 14 00:19
DaemonFC	A Star Trek movie with Captain Picard and the Borg most definitely beats the crap out of whatever it was we were there to see, I'm sure.	Mar 14 00:19
DaemonFC	I watched Gravity a few nights ago. That movie sucked. It was obviously meant for big screen 3d eye candy, except that I don't have a 3dtv, so I just got to watch Sandra Bullock get tossed around in space for two hours. Blagggh. At least George Clooney died.	Mar 14 00:19
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Sosumi	http://www.gerhard-wisnewski.de/Multilingual/english/War-on-15-March.html	Mar 14 06:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support	Mar 14 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jxoI8prRSf	Mar 14 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gumj0	Mar 14 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support \| Tux Machines		Mar 14 07:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444384473300606976 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444384540719869952	Mar 14 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support http://t.co/Q8Pl2eVgZY #games #gnu #linux		Mar 14 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com \| GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support \| Muktware		Mar 14 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.13 http://t.co/OO0rflWbah #kde #gnu #linux #kde4		Mar 14 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> dot.kde.org \| KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.13 \| KDE.news		Mar 14 08:10
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MinceR	geekings	Mar 14 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and	Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	Platform 4.13 http://t.co/Kn83MjILiA	Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gunmo	Mar 14 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.13 \| Tux Machines		Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@xusaxii @tuxmachines http://t.co/q2Afb3t2rN #Yavup	Mar 14 10:06
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gunmp	Mar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve fires another shot in its war against	Mar 14 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	Windows gaming dominance http://t.co/iBEY37tWTH	Mar 14 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gunmr	Mar 14 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Valve fires another shot in its war against Windows gaming dominance \| Tux Machines		Mar 14 10:07
schestowitz__	> I think the problem started after I posted one of the YouTube videos. The only problem is I have tried all methods and URLs to try to gain access and/or edit the weblog, but I cannot connect.	Mar 14 10:11
schestowitz__	"Mark Zuckerberg Says The US Has Become A Threat To, Rather Than A	Mar 14 10:22
schestowitz__	Champion For, The Internet"	Mar 14 10:22
schestowitz__	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140313/13450726570/mark-zuckerberg-says-us-has-become-threat-to-rather-than-champion-internet.shtml	Mar 14 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com \| Mark Zuckerberg Says The US Has Become A Threat To, Rather Than A Champion For, The Internet \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/gunq2 ]		Mar 14 10:22
schestowitz__	And then there is Facebook itself...	Mar 14 10:22
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755538	Mar 14 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYyNzU #ubuntu #gnu #linux		Mar 14 10:29
schestowitz__	"Well... as much as I'm not a fan of the idea of Mir, it's got to be an improvement. I've often found screencapturing solutions could be a bit of a nightmare under Linux and particularly Ubuntu."	Mar 14 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes [ http://ur1.ca/gunro ]		Mar 14 10:29
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112	Mar 14 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?		Mar 14 10:29
schestowitz__	"I stopped watching local television long time ago, it's simply not worth the time. And about getting news that are true, accurate and fair, from only one source, and in your own language, I think that's a pipe dream. I live in a banana republic, but I don't think US television and news are better. Maybe European tv, but I don't know."	Mar 14 10:29
schestowitz__	Europe has too many languages	Mar 14 10:29
schestowitz__	off to Birmingham for the day, back late at night...	Mar 14 10:35
Sosumi	http://www.gerhard-wisnewski.de/Multilingual/english/-New-Ukraine-leader-is-an-agent-of-NATO.html	Mar 14 11:23
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Sosumi	I had said it before	Mar 14 11:23
Sosumi	main objective of taking ukraine was for the missile shield	Mar 14 11:24
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-14/krimea-kerry-caption-contest	Mar 14 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| "Krimea Kerry" Caption Contest \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/guok2 ]		Mar 14 13:13
Sosumi	Long Face Lavrov	Mar 14 13:13
Sosumi	and Ftard Kerry	Mar 14 13:15
Sosumi	ftard ketshup kerry	Mar 14 13:15
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MinceR	http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/216489-1/Cork-pulled-guns-Texas.gif	Mar 14 14:29
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_Goblin	Quiet day?	Mar 14 15:17
MinceR	hay	Mar 14 16:00
_Goblin	:)	Mar 14 16:10
_Goblin	or....	Mar 14 16:10
_Goblin	Bonjour	Mar 14 16:10
_Goblin	BTW - Promote to channel - Peppermint 4 - excellent distro...	Mar 14 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Peppermint 4 - Turns a netbook into a	Mar 14 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook http://t.co/NEdotSeul0	Mar 14 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gupw6	Mar 14 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Peppermint 4 - Turns a netbook into a Chromebook \| Tux Machines		Mar 14 16:13
_Goblin	I'd say it goes far further than a chromebook	Mar 14 16:19
_Goblin	its merely a bare bones linux distro that defaults to the cloud services mostly but allows the scope of a "normal" linux distro	Mar 14 16:20
Sosumi	it's friday	Mar 14 16:33
Sosumi	meanwhile, long face lavrov's speech about crimea	Mar 14 16:37
Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MicqZRnAkOg	Mar 14 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Lavrov: If Kosovo is a special case then Crimea is also - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/guq2d ]		Mar 14 16:38
Sosumi	still waiting something from ketchup kerry	Mar 14 16:39
Sosumi	ketchup kerry: if there is referendum, ofc there will be sanctions	Mar 14 16:57
Sosumi	to whom?	Mar 14 16:57
Sosumi	russia or crimea?	Mar 14 16:58
MinceR	that is not decided yet	Mar 14 16:58
MinceR	but there will be sanctions!	Mar 14 16:58
_Goblin	lol...sanctions....	Mar 14 17:02
_Goblin	what sanctions ? The UK is impotent and needs Russia far more.	Mar 14 17:02
MinceR	what does the uk need russia for?	Mar 14 17:03
_Goblin	Trade...how much investment by the Russians? Much I think...	Mar 14 17:03
_Goblin	also	Mar 14 17:03
_Goblin	fuel	Mar 14 17:03
MinceR	ic	Mar 14 17:03
_Goblin	and keep in mind, its very easy for the US to jump up and down, but what on Earth can they do?	Mar 14 17:03
_Goblin	The US wouldn't dare take on Russia...as it only goes after softer targets	Mar 14 17:04
_Goblin	the UK is a joke....and in anycase is what Russia doing any different from the US and UK in their pasts?	Mar 14 17:04
MinceR	dunno, maybe they and their allies could stop trading with russia, but then much of europe would need to find some other place to get gas from	Mar 14 17:05
_Goblin	The Premier league in the UK is owned by the Russians...sort of.	Mar 14 17:05
_Goblin	Russia holds all the cards in my opinion and I think its rather hypocritical that the UK / US would try to tackle them over something which we have been "guilty" of ourselves.	Mar 14 17:05
_Goblin	The UK is irrelevant in Europe and whilst is the lapdog of its bigger more powerful brother the US, the US won't dare stick their neck too far over the line....	Mar 14 17:07
_Goblin	I think Syria was a good indicator of the "bottle" the US and UK have when it comes to Russia....none at all.	Mar 14 17:07
_Goblin	and rightfully so....Russia is doing exactly what the US/UK would have/have done.	Mar 14 17:08
_Goblin	I'm also done with western "morals" of government, where lives of Palastinian children don't seem to be worth as much as those of Israel.....Both our governments are a disgrace.	Mar 14 17:10
_Goblin	* Palestinian	Mar 14 17:11
MinceR	afaik the us and uk stopped doing this sort of thing long ago	Mar 14 17:22
MinceR	afaik changing borders is kind of a no-no nowadays :>	Mar 14 17:22
MinceR	_Goblin: of course, if the US, UK and allies can't find a way to punish Russia, then it will really be... "Crimea River." :>	Mar 14 17:35
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MinceR	https://ribanc.com/files/1897837_754876501202804_2061845895_n.jpg	Mar 14 17:48
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_Goblin	MinceR, But who claimed it a "no-no"? the very same people who have done just that...The argument they used to bring to the table was "stablity."	Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 14 17:54
DaemonFC	RepubliCritter uses cocaine.	Mar 14 17:54
DaemonFC	Checks himself into rehab for a few weeks.	Mar 14 17:54
DaemonFC	Continues collecting his Critter Paycheck.	Mar 14 17:54
DaemonFC	Goes back to being a Critter.	Mar 14 17:54
DaemonFC	Now, you try using cocaine and see what happens...	Mar 14 17:54
_Goblin	I'd rather not try cocaine	Mar 14 17:58
Sosumi	catnip > everything else	Mar 14 18:26
Sosumi	even Obozo does it	Mar 14 18:37
Sosumi	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcb7hjTUd81r3rmc8o5_r1_1280.jpg	Mar 14 18:37
Sosumi	http://roman-n.livejournal.com/5840448.html	Mar 14 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-roman-n.livejournal.com \| N - Correspondence of US Army Attache Assistant in Kiev [ http://ur1.ca/guqr0 ]		Mar 14 18:41
Sosumi	http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/21990429/russia-says-intercepted-us-drone-over-crimea-arms-group/	Mar 14 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-au.news.yahoo.com \| Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group - Yahoo!7 [ http://ur1.ca/guqrj ]		Mar 14 18:43
MinceR	_Goblin: just what and when?	Mar 14 19:43
_Goblin	If we look at here and now, they do it by proxy...and rather than extend borders they claim "liberation".	Mar 14 19:51
_Goblin	proxy example would be Israel.	Mar 14 19:51
_Goblin	however by "liberation" the designated place becomes extension of "liberating" government.	Mar 14 19:52
_Goblin	and what of the Falklands?	Mar 14 19:53
_Goblin	The power here is all about alliances, so in the case of Russia not only is there Russian might which frightens USA and UK, its the alliance with China.	Mar 14 19:54
_Goblin	Gibraltar....we don't give that back, do we?	Mar 14 19:54
_Goblin	and then by proxy give land away and extend our borders by a proxy (Israel)	Mar 14 19:55
_Goblin	but it doesnt matter because the plight of the Palestine won't be reported by Western media because of the allies in Israel.	Mar 14 19:56
_Goblin	I should quantify that comment though by saying that its no fault of the Israel people. This is government v government.	Mar 14 19:57
_Goblin	As is sadly the case around the world...its our governments bickering and acting appallingly....not the people.	Mar 14 19:57
MinceR	ic	Mar 14 20:00
MinceR	but those all happened a long time ago, didn't it?	Mar 14 20:01
MinceR	depending on whether what israel is doing now is by their own intent or usa's	Mar 14 20:01
_Goblin	And the west has its "no-no's" for people doing the same thing....because the west is the bastion of world morals and everyone else is comply with their vision of what is right and wrong.	Mar 14 20:02
_Goblin	Until it backfired, look at history of Russia (forgetting the actual cold war)	Mar 14 20:02
Sosumi	if the crimeans want to be part of the russia	Mar 14 20:02
MinceR	or because the Long Peace rests on them :>	Mar 14 20:02
Sosumi	what can the US do?	Mar 14 20:02
_Goblin	the US were so scared they assisted a certain group in afghanistan to fight the Russians.	Mar 14 20:02
Sosumi	indeed	Mar 14 20:03
_Goblin	They even made a film about it....Rambo 3	Mar 14 20:03
Sosumi	a propaganda movie called rambo 34	Mar 14 20:03
_Goblin	it was all glory then, whilst the rebels fought on approval of the US...then it went a little sour when the "rebels" realized the exact price for being a proxy of the US	Mar 14 20:03
MinceR	is that rule 34 of rambo?	Mar 14 20:03
Sosumi	which had on its credits a dedication to the brave mujahadee aka alqaeda	Mar 14 20:03
MinceR	:>	Mar 14 20:04
_Goblin	:)	Mar 14 20:04
Sosumi	no idea, I just tend to find those movies boring and dumb	Mar 14 20:04
MinceR	at least those are proxy wars	Mar 14 20:04
_Goblin	They are very factual...	Mar 14 20:04
MinceR	the one in ukraine is a direct one	Mar 14 20:04
_Goblin	not in a realistic way of course	Mar 14 20:04
_Goblin	but Rambo et al, portray what it is the US wants people to believe and what they fear the most	Mar 14 20:05
Sosumi	the only factual movie that I could remember was Wag the Dog	Mar 14 20:05
_Goblin	and the same in the UK.....	Mar 14 20:05
_Goblin	its not a conspiracy, because in the case of films, the film makers pander to the current affairs and whats reported in the media.....	Mar 14 20:06
_Goblin	no better time to sell an "Invasion" movie, when Russia is out of favour with you.	Mar 14 20:06
Sosumi	propaganda I tell you	Mar 14 20:07
MinceR	also good time to sell weapons :>	Mar 14 20:07
Sosumi	indeed	Mar 14 20:07
_Goblin	Yes, but the movie industry isnt instructed to produce it, they are merely making money off the back of it	Mar 14 20:07
Sosumi	and ammo	Mar 14 20:07
MinceR	and UAVs	Mar 14 20:07
_Goblin	this all comes back to the US and China...	Mar 14 20:07
Sosumi	I though that the CIA had finger in holywood	Mar 14 20:08
Sosumi	*thought	Mar 14 20:08
_Goblin	they have in the media for a long time...	Mar 14 20:08
MinceR	they might	Mar 14 20:08
_Goblin	Area 51 for example.	Mar 14 20:08
MinceR	but some things might be explained without them :>	Mar 14 20:08
_Goblin	theres no aliens there though.	Mar 14 20:08
_Goblin	Area 51 was a propaganda tool created for the Chinese to believe the US had aliens in hangers that they could unleash if China's world ambitions included the US	Mar 14 20:09
_Goblin	there never was an aliens, but the beauty of a government denial and a few sci fi movies was that the simple people believed more and more in a "conspiracy" and did the propaganda job for the government.	Mar 14 20:10
_Goblin	the more the government denied, the more people thought they were covering up....it was actually a very clever "conspiracy"	Mar 14 20:11
_Goblin	Notice of late the "Captain America" type movies getting released...this is not something the government has instructed but it is the film companies capitalizing on peoples patriotism and desire to see the "western morals" served on a poor populas who know no better.....a feel good movie about world domination if you wish....	Mar 14 20:13
_Goblin	Its very similar to a Microsoft view of "Do it our way or not at all"	Mar 14 20:16
MinceR	the same could be said about russian foreign policy as well	Mar 14 20:17
_Goblin	Very true....but can you blame them?	Mar 14 20:22
_Goblin	a liberal superpower becomes the lapdog of others nations wyms.	Mar 14 20:22
_Goblin	theres no us and them....this is governments fighting governments....a few people in power.	Mar 14 20:23
_Goblin	for example, if you met a Russian in a bar, you wouldn't have an overwhelming desire to sanction them by refusing to serve or speak to them, if they were a decent bloke you'd have a chat and a drink....	Mar 14 20:24
_Goblin	and its this ethos which you extend to all the nations in the world, you realize that its merely people in power having ego battles with each other.	Mar 14 20:24
_Goblin	they don't get their hands dirty in war, its all dinners, numbers of troops and battles.... like a game of Risk or Command and Conquer...with the winner getting the biggest ego and remembered in history	Mar 14 20:26
MinceR	well, you can't fault every single citizen for everything their government does anyway	Mar 14 20:26
_Goblin	completely agree.	Mar 14 20:26
_Goblin	as I say this is not about "people" its all about governments.	Mar 14 20:26
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx8N30LGWZY56P	Mar 14 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: `Act of piracy' behind Malaysian flight disappearance, US official says [ http://ur1.ca/gurgf ]		Mar 14 21:01
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 14 21:01
DaemonFC	Oh no. Who knew that unlicensed copying of copyrighted materials could bring down an entire Boeing Dreamliner.	Mar 14 21:01
DaemonFC	Mea Maxima Culpa!	Mar 14 21:01
DaemonFC	;)	Mar 14 21:01
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_Goblin	Hi Gordon...	Mar 14 21:11
_Goblin	not watching the Celtic match?	Mar 14 21:11
ThistleWeb	no	Mar 14 21:11
ThistleWeb	bugcast is about to start	Mar 14 21:11
_Goblin	ah...	Mar 14 21:11
Sosumi	Gordon Freeman? is that you?	Mar 14 21:12
ThistleWeb	the wee free men?	Mar 14 21:13
Sosumi	:)	Mar 14 21:13
ThistleWeb	sorry, I find it hard to ignore openings for Discworld references	Mar 14 21:13
Sosumi	that was a half life reference	Mar 14 21:14
ThistleWeb	oh, never played it	Mar 14 21:14
Sosumi	neither did I	Mar 14 21:15
Sosumi	but the series have quite leached out a couple of popular memes	Mar 14 21:15
_Goblin	Sosumi....not Freeman, its Gordon Brown....ex-labour leader....	Mar 14 21:17
Sosumi	strange	Mar 14 21:17
Sosumi	I thought Gordon Brown was a pole dancer	Mar 14 21:17
_Goblin	He only does that on weekends	Mar 14 21:17
Sosumi	I see	Mar 14 21:17
_Goblin	and sometimes a monday	Mar 14 21:18
Sosumi	:)	Mar 14 21:18
_Goblin	and on webcam for 40p a minute	Mar 14 21:18
_Goblin	He's obviously with the bugcast now or he'd be making remarks now.	Mar 14 21:18
Sosumi	bugcast?	Mar 14 21:19
Sosumi	is it a slang for comcast?	Mar 14 21:19
_Goblin	I assume he is referring to this podcast http://thebugcast.org/tag/linux-outlaws/	Mar 14 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thebugcast.org \| Linux Outlaws - The Bugcast		Mar 14 21:19
Sosumi	I see	Mar 14 21:20
_Goblin	I assume....don't have much time for pod/audio casts these days	Mar 14 21:20
_Goblin	I occasionally tune into Roy's - I liked his RMS stuff	Mar 14 21:21
ThistleWeb	thebugcast.org	Mar 14 21:21
ThistleWeb	it's live streaming now	Mar 14 21:21
Sosumi	usually, talkradio puts me to sleep	Mar 14 21:22
_Goblin	I'm very much into my talk radio (Talksport and LBC)	Mar 14 21:22
Sosumi	unless it is something really interesting and new	Mar 14 21:22
ThistleWeb	it's 8 creative commons music tunes from a variety of styles, with a lil bit of chat between every two	Mar 14 21:23
MinceR	220041 < DaemonFC> Oh no. Who knew that unlicensed copying of copyrighted materials could bring down an entire Boeing Dreamliner.	Mar 14 21:24
MinceR	lol	Mar 14 21:24
MinceR	http://www.gdargaud.net/Humor/QuotesComputer.html	Mar 14 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gdargaud.net \| Computer Quotes [ http://ur1.ca/gurnv ]		Mar 14 21:45
_Goblin	Does anyone know whatever happened to Brandon Lozza? - I know I've been away from this group for a while but I'd love to know.... a quick google brings up his stuff that I already know.... Did he ever find his underground neanderthals? Did he ever release his Linux distro?	Mar 14 21:57
Sosumi	"Blink your eyelids periodically to lubricate your eyes." — Page 16 of the HP "Environmental, Health Safety Handbook for Employees".	Mar 14 21:58
Sosumi	lawl	Mar 14 21:58
_Goblin	And maybe the most important question of all.... Did he ever get a job as a Brian Clough look a like?	Mar 14 21:59
_Goblin	Sosumi - Ah.... That's where Ive been going wrong all these years.....I just used to throw water into my face every minute or so.	Mar 14 21:59
Sosumi	water has contaminants (pipping) and residual products from treatment	Mar 14 22:01
Sosumi	hardly the ideal thing to trow at the eyes	Mar 14 22:01
_Goblin	I don't know...does wonders for the complexion	Mar 14 22:02
_Goblin	and I use Evian	Mar 14 22:02
Sosumi	no idea of what that is	Mar 14 22:02
Sosumi	but usually sodium chlorine is enough	Mar 14 22:03
Sosumi	to wash the eyes	Mar 14 22:03
_Goblin	Its bottled mineral water from some mountain or other.	Mar 14 22:03
_Goblin	Melted Ice from Europa....thats what I can use....	Mar 14 22:04
Sosumi	ha ok	Mar 14 22:04
_Goblin	contains high levels of chlorine....but its filtered through the depths of deep space and matured at sub zero temperatures in orbit around Jupiter	Mar 14 22:05
_Goblin	Quote "Europa's surface temperature at the equator never rises above minus 260 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 160 degrees Celsius). At the poles of the moon, the temperature never rises above minus 370 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 220 degrees Celsius)." - Now hows that for pure and free of contaminents?	Mar 14 22:06
MinceR	doesn't say anything about it	Mar 14 22:07
MinceR	only temperature	Mar 14 22:07
_Goblin	You see much industry on Europa?	Mar 14 22:07
_Goblin	I know we have had a few conspiracy "people" in the past here......but even their theories don't stretch to industry on Europa....I hope.	Mar 14 22:08
_Goblin	And Europa is an excellent example of how to be environmentally friendly......if you don't have an environment in the first place, are many degrees below zero and orbit a massive gas giant whilst being bombarded by insterstella radiation, then you can't stuff up the environment.	Mar 14 22:10
_Goblin	fill your boots....burn all the fossels you want (if you can without oxygen)	Mar 14 22:10
_Goblin	suck the planet dry...nobody will notice.	Mar 14 22:10
_Goblin	Talking of conspiracy folk....if you google "David Icke" my G+ posting on him is the 5th result down......	Mar 14 22:15
cubezzz	ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA :)	Mar 14 22:16
_Goblin	And Uranus....you can have that one too	Mar 14 22:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve Asks Users to Disable SELinux to Play	Mar 09 00:33
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msb_	"But calling the new government nazis, is just what's on official Russian channels, and it's a lie." -- Bullshit! It's also on lots of alternative investigative news sites.	Mar 09 00:38
msb_	...which I gave urls for a few days ago, and you reposted them, schestowitz__!	Mar 09 00:39
msb_	"Turner Radio Network" is a scam site started by Hal Turner, a Nazi provocteur found to be working for the US govt. NOT Ted Turner.	Mar 09 00:42
msb_	provocateur	Mar 09 00:43
msb_	Worse than "Sorcha Faal".	Mar 09 00:51
msb_	schestowitz__: Thanks for command line jpg!	Mar 09 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Spec Sheet: Toshiba and Samsung try to make	Mar 09 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebooks mainstream http://t.co/IWUV83XouO	Mar 09 01:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android's co-founder is spending Google's	Mar 09 01:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linpus Lite 2.1 review http://t.co/I9FgC1qVFX	Mar 09 03:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What to expect in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Mar 09 03:39
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Sosumi	http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/09/353918/blackwater-members-in-ukraine/	Mar 09 06:44
Sosumi	‘Blackwater’ members in Ukraine’s Donetsk	Mar 09 06:44
MinceR	geekings	Mar 09 07:05
Sosumi	blackwater is kind of a reference to the black color fluids take on a corpse in decomposition	Mar 09 07:09
Sosumi	but they have changed their name twice already after the crap that went on in iraq	Mar 09 07:09
Sosumi	to Xe and now Academi	Mar 09 07:09
msb_	Academi??? What a total lie for a gang of murder-for-hire thugs!	Mar 09 08:09
Sosumi	it is true	Mar 09 08:41
Sosumi	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_%28company%29	Mar 09 08:42
Sosumi	the academi of death	Mar 09 08:44
Sosumi	http://mashable.com/2014/03/07/tablet-pc-chart/	Mar 09 09:24
Sosumi	Tablets expect to outsell PCs	Mar 09 09:25
Sosumi	*expected	Mar 09 09:25
Sosumi	M$ better do what I've been saying	Mar 09 09:25
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Sosumi	by turning their xbox into a limited pc that runs M$ software only	Mar 09 09:26
Sosumi	otherwise they'll just die	Mar 09 09:26
Sosumi	and we'll be left with something to poke fun at	Mar 09 09:26
Sosumi	*well left without	Mar 09 09:27
Sosumi	but this is the dark future I've kind of been fearing	Mar 09 09:34
Sosumi	in which all you have is a piece of hardware with limited functionality	Mar 09 09:35
Sosumi	with all the storage and the required computing being left at a remote server	Mar 09 09:35
Sosumi	the big iron desktop is already dead	Mar 09 09:36
Sosumi	that spells the death of the small iron notebook	Mar 09 09:36
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msb_	"<Sosumi> the big iron desktop is already dead" -- Nonsense! The very article that Sosumi links to shows desktop sales declining very slowly by about 14% from 2012 to 2018. Desktops can have highspeed processors and have several large HDDs to have lots of data instantly available, for about $1200. Laptops add portability but lack the large data storage and some of the speed, for about the same price. Tablets store little data and	Mar 09 13:32
msb_	have a tiny screen -- useless for watching movies -- and an inefficient "keyboard". Easy portability is their only advantage. They have entirely different uses from desktops and laptops. The only reason tablets are outselling the others is their low price.	Mar 09 13:32
msb_	None of this has anything to do with Microshit, which will hopefully gradually die.	Mar 09 13:34
Sosumi	ppl use tvs to watch movies	Mar 09 13:36
Sosumi	many from what I've seen have already relegated all their computing to tablets	Mar 09 13:36
msb_	Desktops and laptops can serve as a wonderful extension of the human mind, if configured correctly. Any song, any movie, any piece of information important to a person, can be instantly recalled.	Mar 09 13:36
Sosumi	the only desktop market that still stays afloat is the gaming pc	Mar 09 13:36
msb_	Most people don't think, have never learned how, and have in fact been taught not to think. Any that drink fluoridated water, take antacids containing aluminum, or get vaccines containing mercury, have been brain-damaged. All of these have little intellectual life. They may be satisfied with a tablet, and watching movies from DVDs using a TV.	Mar 09 13:40
msb_	They are "sheeple". But it's people who do think who make a difference, who advance human knowledge and society, and create a World Community, and (hopefully) save us from the current domination by fascist psychopaths.	Mar 09 13:43
Sosumi	ho, no they actually stream them	Mar 09 13:45
Sosumi	you know? from a tablet or from zee internetz	Mar 09 13:45
Sosumi	via a console or some box	Mar 09 13:45
msb_	Makes no difference to what I said.	Mar 09 13:45
Sosumi	yes, remember that the alien also can emerge from the tv screen	Mar 09 13:46
msb_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc	Mar 09 13:49
msb_	The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! (guess the bot is down again) Russell Blaylock -- neurosurgeon.	Mar 09 13:52
msb_	What alien?	Mar 09 13:52
Sosumi	facepalm	Mar 09 13:53
msb_	What alien?	Mar 09 14:01
msb_	Sosumi: What alien?	Mar 09 14:03
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Sosumi	you need to stop listening to AJ	Mar 09 14:16
Sosumi	and the new age crap	Mar 09 14:17
Sosumi	ofc all tech is a double edged sword	Mar 09 14:17
Sosumi	but the way you put it looks like a slogan	Mar 09 14:17
Sosumi	and actually it is fun to watch the new age marijuana folks prattle around	Mar 09 14:18
Sosumi	because all they do is repeat the slogans that are shoved down their ears by their gurus	Mar 09 14:18
Sosumi	like AJ, david ike, alan watts, blavatski and so on	Mar 09 14:19
Sosumi	and ho yes the alien	Mar 09 14:19
Sosumi	smoke marijuana and he'll appear, for sure	Mar 09 14:19
Sosumi	:)	Mar 09 14:20
Sosumi	but I don't remember who was the alien + marijuana guy	Mar 09 14:25
Sosumi	icecrawler? or icebreaker	Mar 09 14:26
msb_	You just spew out unrelated names and think you're making a point. AJ, david "ike", alan watts, blavatski all said/say very different things. One must use critical thinking, which you don't seem to do, to extract the useful accurate info from each, and many others.	Mar 09 14:28
msb_	Sosumi: Cannabis can help free you from your programmed preconceptions, if you choose and use it correctly.	Mar 09 14:31
msb_	Sosumi: If you think in terms of "new age crap" or "conspiracy theories" you are doomed to be one of the sheeple that Blaylock talks about.	Mar 09 14:33
MinceR	184632 < Sosumi> yes, remember that the alien also can emerge from the tv screen	Mar 09 14:54
MinceR	Samara?	Mar 09 14:54
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 14:54
DaemonFC	"We have two children and a non-sentient parasite that has integrated itself into my systems."	Mar 09 14:54
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/c5joj7q.png	Mar 09 14:56
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 14:59
DaemonFC	Plan C.	Mar 09 14:59
DaemonFC	Give birth and then drop it off with your elected officials.	Mar 09 14:59
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DaemonFC	TOPICWAQ says:	Mar 09 15:05
DaemonFC	what's A and B? And technically, drop off is an option.	Mar 09 15:05
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 15:05
DaemonFC	I know.	Mar 09 15:05
DaemonFC	Remember that time when the stupid Republicans in Nebraska worded the law wrong and people were driving to Nebraska to drop their teenagers off at hospitals?	Mar 09 15:05
DaemonFC	TOPICWAQ says:	Mar 09 15:06
DaemonFC	I missed that...editing is important....	Mar 09 15:06
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 15:06
DaemonFC	It was all over the news.	Mar 09 15:06
DaemonFC	At least one woman drove all the way from Florida to drop off her 16 year old at a Nebraska hospital.	Mar 09 15:06
DaemonFC	"You said child! No take backs! Byeeeeee!"	Mar 09 15:07
MinceR	:D	Mar 09 15:09
Sosumi	MinceR, yes, the ring reference	Mar 09 15:28
Sosumi	msb_, if you want to free your mind, start by learning how the mind works	Mar 09 15:29
Sosumi	go study psychology and neurophysiology	Mar 09 15:30
Sosumi	instead of doing drugs	Mar 09 15:30
Sosumi	because once you know how the mind works	Mar 09 15:31
Sosumi	you'll no longer fall for the entrapments of propaganda	Mar 09 15:31
msb_	Sosumi: 1. I don't "do drugs". 2. I know that people create a model of reality in their minds, which is not necessarily accurate. It can only be made more accurate by critical thinking -- access all available sources of information, and compare them with one another and with your own internal model using the law of non-contradiction.	Mar 09 15:33
msb_	Sosumi: Then update your internal model. If you don't realize that your beliefs are your own model of reality, and that you must use critical thinking to correct it, then you have no hope of knowing what's actually going on in the world. Psychology and neurophysiology don't help that much.	Mar 09 15:35
msb_	Sosumi: You must hold your own mind as an object of examination. That is the key. Self-observation, as explained by Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. Without it you remain asleep.	Mar 09 15:36
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msb_	http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/us-backing-neo-nazis-ukraine?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark	Mar 09 17:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SXSW: Pitivi Aims To Bring Real Video Editing	Mar 09 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	to Linux http://t.co/OKk6gtHM47	Mar 09 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt19g	Mar 09 17:28
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Sosumi	hum	Mar 09 17:54
Sosumi	crimea	Mar 09 17:54
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/03/20140309_Ukr1.png	Mar 09 17:54
Sosumi	also, Obozo invites coup ukranian PM to DC	Mar 09 17:56
Sosumi	and guys on the field there are now confirmed to be blackwater PMCs	Mar 09 17:57
Sosumi	from tarpley just now	Mar 09 17:58
Sosumi	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/02/1281474/-Ukraine-Ethnic-Purity-Extremists-Neo-Nazis-threaten-Russians-Jews-non-whites#	Mar 09 17:58
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Sosumi	"Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.”	Mar 09 18:00
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 09 18:02
DaemonFC	One of the disturbing things about having a computer with a satellite connection in the car is that the government could shut off your engine, or deactivate the brakes, or.....	Mar 09 18:02
DaemonFC	Eventually, they won't just be taking control of reporters Windows computers and deleting stories and books, they'll arrange for a little traffic accident, and nobody will be any the wiser.	Mar 09 18:02
DaemonFC	When we have self-driving cars, they'll be able to take them over and run you off a bridge or stop you on the train tracks and lock the doors, or....	Mar 09 18:02
DaemonFC	Well, you get the idea.	Mar 09 18:02
Sosumi	what I don't like of these new cars	Mar 09 18:03
Sosumi	is that things like the accelerator are not directly connected to the engine through a steel cable	Mar 09 18:03
Sosumi	but instead it is through a pressure sensor that in turn is connected to the management system of the car	Mar 09 18:04
Sosumi	and as we all know already	Mar 09 18:05
Sosumi	those car's "entertainment system" feedback telemetry to the seller	Mar 09 18:06
Sosumi	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/01/15/is-your-car-spying-on-you/	Mar 09 18:06
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Sosumi	https://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/10-security-privacy-issues-you-might-not-know-about-your-car%E2%80%99s-auto-location-services	Mar 09 18:07
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Sosumi	and I've read about using that info for car insurance bonuses and so on	Mar 09 18:07
DaemonFC	Sosumi: My car is old enough that it has an accelerator cable.	Mar 09 18:08
DaemonFC	I have driven ones that have the sensor instead.	Mar 09 18:08
Sosumi	mine too	Mar 09 18:08
DaemonFC	I don't know why they changed it. Another expensive sensor that can go out?	Mar 09 18:08
Sosumi	it fits in if they record your usage of the accelerator	Mar 09 18:09
DaemonFC	I hate how they have a $500 sensor on every fucking thing now.	Mar 09 18:09
DaemonFC	"Low tire pressure!"	Mar 09 18:09
DaemonFC	Well, no shit...	Mar 09 18:09
Sosumi	inside the car "computer"	Mar 09 18:09
DaemonFC	"Oil change needed"	Mar 09 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mark Shuttleworth Talks Up The Phone's Bottom	Mar 09 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	Edge On Ubuntu http://t.co/AxIDFPXsAc	Mar 09 18:09
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DaemonFC	Isn't that what the sticker is for?	Mar 09 18:09
Sosumi	for possible data retrieval at a car repair shop	Mar 09 18:10
DaemonFC	Then when you take it for an oil change, they don't reset the sensor, and it still says you need an oil change.	Mar 09 18:10
Sosumi	or on those newer models, actually transmit the data	Mar 09 18:10
DaemonFC	I've seen plenty of people with that light on where they say "Yeah, the shop never reset it.".	Mar 09 18:10
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 09 18:10
Sosumi	mine doesn't do any of that	Mar 09 18:10
DaemonFC	This car is the newest I've owned. It's a 1996.	Mar 09 18:11
DaemonFC	So it does have OBD-II.	Mar 09 18:11
Sosumi	mine's just a renault 21 turbo from 1991	Mar 09 18:11
DaemonFC	That was the first year the federal government mandated that.	Mar 09 18:11
DaemonFC	Some 1995s have them.	Mar 09 18:11
DaemonFC	I've owned a lot of 1995s.	Mar 09 18:11
DaemonFC	A 1995 Chevy Lumina, a 1995 Chevy Corsica, a 1995 Ford Taurus....	Mar 09 18:12
DaemonFC	People get rid of their cars when there's plenty of life left on them.	Mar 09 18:12
DaemonFC	They just want something newer, which is ridiculous.	Mar 09 18:12
DaemonFC	If it's not broke, don't fix it.	Mar 09 18:13
Sosumi	no idea on what others do	Mar 09 18:13
Sosumi	but that renault has served me well	Mar 09 18:13
Sosumi	as it did it's previous owner	Mar 09 18:13
Sosumi	*its	Mar 09 18:13
Sosumi	and didn't cost me a dime	Mar 09 18:13
Sosumi	since it was given free to me	Mar 09 18:13
DaemonFC	I paid $2,200 for mine.	Mar 09 18:22
DaemonFC	Considering what used car prices are up to, that's not a bad deal.	Mar 09 18:23
DaemonFC	As recently as 2005, $2,000 got you a decent 10 year old car with about 100,000 miles on it.	Mar 09 18:23
DaemonFC	Now you're lucky to get anything that runs at all.	Mar 09 18:23
Sosumi	:)	Mar 09 18:25
Sosumi	GN	Mar 09 18:25
MinceR	http://pics.nase-bohren.de/getting-a-drivers-license.jpg	Mar 09 18:35
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DaemonFC	MinceR: I don't know why they have a drive test.	Mar 09 18:44
DaemonFC	There's always someone that darts out in front of you.	Mar 09 18:44
MinceR	to serve as incentive for corruption? :>	Mar 09 18:44
DaemonFC	There's always that guy that's going 50 in a 60 in front of you in a no passing zone.	Mar 09 18:45
MinceR	at least i'm sure that's how it works here in hungary	Mar 09 18:45
DaemonFC	There's always the dude that can't keep it in one lane.	Mar 09 18:45
MinceR	there's no way all those retards got a driver's license fair and square.	Mar 09 18:45
DaemonFC	Do these people exist in Hungary? :)	Mar 09 18:45
MinceR	yes, all of them	Mar 09 18:45
MinceR	also, turn lights are apparently a rarely heard legend	Mar 09 18:45
DaemonFC	Yeah. I honk at them and flip them off.	Mar 09 18:46
MinceR	and tailgating is the national sport	Mar 09 18:46
DaemonFC	It won't improve their behavior, but it feels good.	Mar 09 18:46
MinceR	people driving shitty expensive german cars believe the rules don't apply to them	Mar 09 18:46
MinceR	the police don't think the rules apply to them	Mar 09 18:46
MinceR	the rules are getting shittier every year	Mar 09 18:46
DaemonFC	Here, it's mostly pickup trucks that are rusty and as old as I am.	Mar 09 18:46
MinceR	but no problem, since these idiots will probably insist on keeping the nazi dictatorship	Mar 09 18:47
DaemonFC	Economy cars from the 90s that are burning oil.	Mar 09 18:47
MinceR	so the roads won't be maintained	Mar 09 18:47
DaemonFC	etc...	Mar 09 18:47
MinceR	and will become unusable in a decade or two	Mar 09 18:47
MinceR	and the people will also starve to death or be killed by plague	Mar 09 18:47
MinceR	or in civil war	Mar 09 18:47
MinceR	so it won't last anyway	Mar 09 18:47
DaemonFC	Ford hasn't made anything better than the Crown Victoria.	Mar 09 18:47
DaemonFC	You see cars like mine with 300,000-400,000 miles on them, and still running.	Mar 09 18:47
DaemonFC	CAFE killed the Crown Vic.	Mar 09 18:48
DaemonFC	If they sold my car today, there's be a gas guzzler tax on it.	Mar 09 18:48
DaemonFC	*there'd	Mar 09 18:48
MinceR	maybe because it _is_ a gas guzzler? :>	Mar 09 18:49
MinceR	or the tax isn't dependent on mileage? :>	Mar 09 18:49
DaemonFC	it's whatever the government declares to be a gas guzzler	Mar 09 18:49
DaemonFC	I think the standard is 22.5 mpg now.	Mar 09 18:50
DaemonFC	They increase the fine by every 1 mpg you get under that.	Mar 09 18:50
DaemonFC	MinceR: Mine is EPA rated for 17 mpg combined city/highway.	Mar 09 18:51
MinceR	there you go, it's a gas guzzler :>	Mar 09 18:51
MinceR	(according to the standard)	Mar 09 18:52
DaemonFC	Well, yeah, except the EPA ratings aren't based in reality.	Mar 09 18:52
DaemonFC	They don't reflect how real people drive.	Mar 09 18:52
MinceR	gn	Mar 09 18:59
TakinOver	Crown Victoria? I've only seen cops driving those.	Mar 09 20:10
msb_	Suppose the government decides that people should have sensors, a little computer, and a wifi transceiver inside them to alert them to problems with their heart, liver, brain, etc.	Mar 09 20:16
msb_	"Democracies" may vote to make that mandatory. After all, they voted to prevent GMO labelling and gay marriage in states in the US, and to make totally harmless cannabis more illegal than murder. Voted through their elected legislators.	Mar 09 20:18
msb_	Maybe those same brainwashed idiot voters would vote to make implanted chips and sensors mandatory.	Mar 09 20:19
msb_	And then the govt could keep track of everyone -- where they are and what they're doing. All for their own good, of course.	Mar 09 20:20
msb_	If you went into a Faraday-cage room to block the transmission, the wifi transmitter might go to full power trying to contact the nearest base station and burn a hole through your skin.	Mar 09 20:23
msb_	Of course there would be no way to switch it off. For your own good.	Mar 09 20:23
msb_	I guarantee that psychopaths in the US government are working on this right now.	Mar 09 20:24
msb_	There's even a TV series called "Intelligence" about a guy with a chip in his head that can receive all wifi data. He can identify and track people. The system in his head integrates the data and shows him a series of pictures. He works for "US Cybercom":.	Mar 09 20:26
msb_	He has a beautiful female partner to protect him if he gets distracted by all that data. They just showed episode 9 a couple days ago.	Mar 09 20:29
msb_	And we thought Skynet and Terminators were the worst they'd come up with.	Mar 09 20:30
msb_	Well, I guess the Matrix was worse.	Mar 09 20:30
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schestowitz__	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/01/15/is-your-car-spying-on-you/	Mar 10 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com \| Is your car spying on you? \| Naked Security [ http://ur1.ca/gt1gb ]		Mar 10 00:52
schestowitz__	Sosumi: yeah, real problem	Mar 10 00:52
schestowitz__	but not as bad as cellphones	Mar 10 00:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IT Acquisition Reform Bill Passes House with	Mar 10 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	Open Source Provisions http://t.co/s0YRLNeeVW	Mar 10 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt3is	Mar 10 01:48
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Sosumi	schestowitz__: it can be even worst	Mar 10 02:30
Sosumi	if there are means built in to hijack the car	Mar 10 02:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Video interview on the power and innovation	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	behind open source project management	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qe8s8TGr88	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt4qw	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Benchmarks Of Intel's Quark X1000 On The	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	Galileo Board http://t.co/QVYxPO0ps5	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt4qz	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromecast concept shows futuristic redesign	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	and we like it a lot http://t.co/bqF1CIL9cQ	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt4r0	Mar 10 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Video interview on the power and innovation behind open source project management \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sony to bring widget functionality to Firefox	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	OS http://t.co/NTlx3OJqQ5	Mar 10 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt4r1	Mar 10 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Benchmarks Of Intel's Quark X1000 On The Galileo Board \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Chromecast concept shows futuristic redesign and we like it a lot \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 05:12
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MinceR	geekings	Mar 10 05:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Not Diaspora? http://t.co/42hLAVOrlk	Mar 10 07:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt5ed	Mar 10 07:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Risk Reflex (The Linux Security Flaw	Mar 10 07:16
TweetTuxMachines	That Isn't) http://t.co/OHqO0n8DCm	Mar 10 07:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt5ef	Mar 10 07:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Distro diaspora: Four flavours of Ubuntu	Mar 10 07:17
TweetTuxMachines	unpacked http://t.co/8Oqn58AaeI	Mar 10 07:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt5eh	Mar 10 07:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat Risk Reflex (The Linux Security Flaw That Isn't) \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 07:17
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cubezzz	ok, did a blog on chip fabrication and pollution:	Mar 10 09:36
cubezzz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.com	Mar 10 09:36
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satipera	@schestowitz i do not know if you are familiar with red matrix or if you have publicised it on your sites. If you have not would you care to take a look and perhaps shine a light on it? https://redmatrix.me/	Mar 10 09:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to	Mar 10 12:57
TweetTuxMachines	protect data in connected cars	Mar 10 12:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kCUCDQIVa7	Mar 10 12:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt79f	Mar 10 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to protect data in connected cars \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 12:57
schestowitz__	cubezzz: I spread links to your blog post some days ago	Mar 10 12:58
schestowitz__	techrights will link to it later this month	Mar 10 12:58
cubezzz	ok, thanks :)	Mar 10 13:00
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cubezzz	here's some more info on TCE and drinking water:	Mar 10 13:14
cubezzz	http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/trichloroethylene.cfm	Mar 10 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-water.epa.gov \| Basic Information about Trichloroethylene in Drinking Water \| Basic Information about Regulated Drinking Water Contaminants \| US EPA [ http://ur1.ca/gt7d3 ]		Mar 10 13:14
cubezzz	here's some IBM 1401 pics you might enjoy (a computer introducted in 1959):	Mar 10 13:23
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1401.jpg	Mar 10 13:23
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1401-control-panel.jpg	Mar 10 13:23
cubezzz	maybe msb remembers it :)	Mar 10 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “KDE5″ and Wayland http://t.co/IOjpHBSpQ3	Mar 10 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7it	Mar 10 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu Makeover May Give Your Linux Life a Lift	Mar 10 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AgbVGHLZRU	Mar 10 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7iu	Mar 10 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Half of EU has legislation on ICT re-use	Mar 10 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kqJkFzYqBO	Mar 10 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7iv	Mar 10 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.14 rc6 http://t.co/I3JL8n8v5U	Mar 10 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7ix	Mar 10 13:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Makulu Makeover May Give Your Linux Life a Lift \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Half of EU has legislation on ICT re-use \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 3.14 rc6 \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 13:42
DaemonFC	It looks like we're going to get one last nasty snowstorm on Wednesday.	Mar 10 13:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to	Mar 10 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by protect data in connected cars	Mar 10 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	@omicron6 http://t.co/kCUCDQIVa7	Mar 10 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt7qz	Mar 10 14:22
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Sosumi	http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/09/console-crisis/	Mar 10 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| The Console Market Is In Crisis \| TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/gt7zz ]		Mar 10 15:06
Sosumi	it was like I said yesterday	Mar 10 15:06
Sosumi	the only thing that is surging is the gaming pc market	Mar 10 15:06
Sosumi	although, consoles will pick up once exclusives start kicking in	Mar 10 15:07
Sosumi	as for the xbone I see a bad future ahead of it	Mar 10 15:07
Sosumi	usually what kept the 360 around at first were the paid exclusives	Mar 10 15:08
Sosumi	and the halo games made by bungie	Mar 10 15:08
Sosumi	which were quite mediocre if I must say	Mar 10 15:09
Sosumi	specially halo 1	Mar 10 15:09
Sosumi	didn't bring anything new into the mix	Mar 10 15:09
Sosumi	aside from assisted aiming, lawl	Mar 10 15:09
Sosumi	but the xbone is well bellow	Mar 10 15:10
DaemonFC	I opened all my windows. 55 degrees is like a tropical heat wave compared to the winter we've had.	Mar 10 15:11
Sosumi	in here there was just rain and rain	Mar 10 15:12
Sosumi	but no cold at all	Mar 10 15:12
Sosumi	the lowest temps outside were usually around 15 ºC	Mar 10 15:12
Sosumi	at moment and for the remaining of the week	Mar 10 15:13
Sosumi	it is forecasted to be all sun and temperatures around 20 ºC	Mar 10 15:13
Sosumi	and that basically means summer to me	Mar 10 15:13
Sosumi	since from the hellhole I come from temperatures during the winter were usually negative	Mar 10 15:14
Sosumi	that and scorching summers	Mar 10 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sweden's Point of Single Contact runs open	Mar 10 15:50
TweetTuxMachines	source http://t.co/iw9r0Rvwmr	Mar 10 15:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt89z	Mar 10 15:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Halts its Development of Persona	Mar 10 15:50
TweetTuxMachines	Authentication System http://t.co/JkO0gFSBTW	Mar 10 15:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8a3	Mar 10 15:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source runs web sites European Parliament	Mar 10 15:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d2dLnklTG9	Mar 10 15:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8a4	Mar 10 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Sweden's Point of Single Contact runs open source \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mozilla Halts its Development of Persona Authentication System \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 15:51
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DaemonFC	http://blog.seattlepi.com/techblog/2014/03/10/popcorn-time-makes-movie-piracy-as-easy-as-watching-netflix/	Mar 10 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.seattlepi.com \| Popcorn Time makes movie piracy as easy as watching Netflix - Dwight Silverman's TechBlog [ http://ur1.ca/gt8a9 ]		Mar 10 15:51
DaemonFC	"they’re often laced with malware."	Mar 10 15:51
DaemonFC	Even on Windows, I do not believe that malware can infest a video file, unless the format is WMV.	Mar 10 15:52
abeNd-org	ugh, what is it with google & malware paid links, come on, i know you like money google but must you accept it from those pushing malware? this isnt even apps, this is links in google search, just had to clear off a computer from the person doing a "adobe flash" search on windows & clicking one of the sponsored links that infested her machine with a boatload of garbageware	Mar 10 16:19
gde33	abeNd-org: even worse, they were in a position to set some decent web standards but chose to keep what they like a secret	Mar 10 16:28
gde33	they have a ton of designers guess what google likes, so called SEO	Mar 10 16:29
gde33	for paid links I would do a scheme based on page weight, number of requests, does it use js, if so how much etc	Mar 10 16:30
gde33	I would then bill you for the malware :D	Mar 10 16:30
gde33	the kind of bill that ends your life	Mar 10 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Out in the Open: The Men Supercharging	Mar 10 16:33
TweetTuxMachines	Neuroscience With Open Source Hardware	Mar 10 16:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3pGI417YDN	Mar 10 16:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8i4	Mar 10 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Out in the Open: The Men Supercharging Neuroscience With Open Source Hardware \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 16:33
DaemonFC	I bought a new car charger for my phone.	Mar 10 16:38
DaemonFC	I forgot that you can't have it plugged in when you're starting the car, and shorted mine out. :P	Mar 10 16:38
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sebsebseb	hi	Mar 10 16:38
Sosumi	abeNd-org, I think those folks actually deserve that for installing flash	Mar 10 16:38
Sosumi	DaemonFC, always turn off stuff, including lights and radio when starting the engine	Mar 10 16:40
Sosumi	common sense says so	Mar 10 16:40
sebsebseb	Sosumi: openSUSE	Mar 10 16:40
Sosumi	what about openSUSIE?	Mar 10 16:41
Sosumi	last time I checked, she had her legs closed :(	Mar 10 16:41
sebsebseb	Sosumi: uhmm openSUSE, Mint, and Ubuntu	Mar 10 16:42
sebsebseb	at that event	Mar 10 16:42
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I was thinkng if I realy want to email this other group for something else realy abut it	Mar 10 16:42
sebsebseb	I Mean	Mar 10 16:42
sebsebseb	1. I look like a geek doing that for sure	Mar 10 16:42
sebsebseb	2.	Mar 10 16:42
sebsebseb	uh hold on my distro isn't in the event	Mar 10 16:42
sebsebseb	unless yo inclue a mention in the hand out	Mar 10 16:43
Sosumi	I've no idea of what event you're referring to	Mar 10 16:43
sebsebseb	Sosumi: oh same one as before	Mar 10 16:43
sebsebseb	general public thing	Mar 10 16:43
Sosumi	you know	Mar 10 16:44
Sosumi	you could always appear uninvited	Mar 10 16:44
sebsebseb	hmm?	Mar 10 16:45
Sosumi	at the event	Mar 10 16:45
Sosumi	rent a plane and get a parachute tailored with the mageia colors	Mar 10 16:45
Sosumi	and jump in them	Mar 10 16:45
Sosumi	like a boss	Mar 10 16:46
sebsebseb	Sosumi: heh heh	Mar 10 16:46
abeNd-org	Sosumi despite your perfect html5 world, some stuff still uses flash on the internet, especially when it comes to end user applications	Mar 10 16:47
Sosumi	like flash games?	Mar 10 16:48
Sosumi	real end user applications of the sort of important "stuff"	Mar 10 16:49
Sosumi	are done in java	Mar 10 16:49
Sosumi	flash in itself, could and should just die	Mar 10 16:49
Sosumi	*on	Mar 10 16:49
abeNd-org	radio station in this particular case, & yes mgmt allows it, so yes, it is supported by IT per mgmt, so no, this wouldnt fit into your perfect html5 utopia that doesnt exist	Mar 10 16:53
MinceR	205215 < DaemonFC> Even on Windows, I do not believe that malware can infest a video file, unless the format is WMV.	Mar 10 16:53
abeNd-org	flash should die, but it isnt, & hasnt	Mar 10 16:53
MinceR	i suppose a buffer overflow or similar vulnerability could lead to execution of arbitrary code :>	Mar 10 16:53
abeNd-org	os2 should die, but there is still plenty of it out there, sco openserver should die, but there is still plenty of it out there	Mar 10 16:53
Sosumi	funnily how you immediately declared ti has my html5 utopia	Mar 10 16:54
MinceR	how could there be a "perfect html5 world" as long as a drm apologist heads the w3c in cahoots with msft and the MAFIAA?	Mar 10 16:54
Sosumi	when in fact html5 has been infected with drm a while ago	Mar 10 16:54
Sosumi	so, far from being utopic	Mar 10 16:55
abeNd-org	i call it as the way you speak there is nothing in the universe using flash	Mar 10 16:57
MinceR	sites should just link to reasonably open video files and let a real video player handle them :>	Mar 10 16:57
MinceR	(not Real Video, that's crap)	Mar 10 16:57
Sosumi	never intended to make it sound that way	Mar 10 16:58
Sosumi	like there is "nothing using flash"	Mar 10 16:58
Sosumi	plus, flash is deprecated on gnu/linux and it is a broken glass jar poorly fixed with duct tape and camel spit	Mar 10 16:59
abeNd-org	so tough cookies, flash still exists, stop whining & fix the issues instead of crying a river. google's sponsored ads on searches being one of the problems	Mar 10 16:59
Sosumi	so obviously that I'm all for replacing it	Mar 10 16:59
abeNd-org	yeah, well, it still exists, so again, touch cookies	Mar 10 16:59
abeNd-org	tough	Mar 10 17:00
abeNd-org	should it? no, does it? yes	Mar 10 17:00
MinceR	getting rid of flash is the way to fix the issue.	Mar 10 17:01
abeNd-org	ok, so where is a usable replacement, & why is it that places like radio station websites arent using it yet?	Mar 10 17:01
MinceR	there were usable replacements ever since video player applications could stream over http	Mar 10 17:03
MinceR	websites aren't using them because people are stupid.	Mar 10 17:03
Sosumi	I have no idea of what radio stations you're talking about	Mar 10 17:03
Sosumi	but the one I know provide a file that can be opened through vlc	Mar 10 17:04
Sosumi	or even itunes	Mar 10 17:04
Sosumi	for streaming	Mar 10 17:04
Sosumi	much better	Mar 10 17:04
Sosumi	and it works with mobile devices	Mar 10 17:04
Sosumi	since flash is dead on android too	Mar 10 17:04
MinceR	(and most likely even an "html5" video element could be used in such a way)	Mar 10 17:05
abeNd-org	sure, people in this channel could configure vlc for streaming, but most "humans" wouldnt know what vlc is, much less how to get it going for streaming	Mar 10 17:05
MinceR	you underestimate the popularity of vlc :>	Mar 10 17:05
Sosumi	that is why those humans deserve all the bag of hurt they get by installing flash	Mar 10 17:05
MinceR	also, regardless of your enthusiasm for flash, the fact is adobe is killing support for it.	Mar 10 17:06
Sosumi	hopefully, they'll apreciate to know better next time	Mar 10 17:06
abeNd-org	& you underestimate the corporate world	Mar 10 17:06
abeNd-org	"(4:00:16 PM) abeNd-org: should it? no, does it? yes" - pretty sure i wouldnt call that enthusiasm....	Mar 10 17:06
DaemonFC	MinceR: Real doesn't have their own codecs anymore.	Mar 10 17:07
abeNd-org	sure, replacing it with adobe air	Mar 10 17:07
DaemonFC	Just a container format that hosts MPEG-4.	Mar 10 17:07
MinceR	they killed adobe air earlier	Mar 10 17:07
abeNd-org	on linux sure	Mar 10 17:07
MinceR	and it failed anyway	Mar 10 17:07
abeNd-org	alive & well on windows	Mar 10 17:07
MinceR	i'm curious of your corporate environment where adobe air is "alive & well"	Mar 10 17:07
MinceR	i'm pretty sure people aren't even aware of it in most "corporate environment"s	Mar 10 17:08
Sosumi	I thought that everyone hated air	Mar 10 17:09
Sosumi	as much as they hated twilight	Mar 10 17:09
Sosumi	or silverlight	Mar 10 17:09
abeNd-org	from what i remember most of the people in this channel are just students, or have only worked in one IT environment in their lives	Mar 10 17:09
MinceR	then you "remember" it wrong	Mar 10 17:10
Sosumi	I'm guilty for student	Mar 10 17:10
abeNd-org	yea, silverlight, nightmare, ms is still pushing it for lync/sccm/etc management	Mar 10 17:10
MinceR	yeah, msft pretty much gave up on silverlight	Mar 10 17:10
MinceR	ages ago	Mar 10 17:10
abeNd-org	yea, they did, but for the current mgmt consoles of some of their major server programs it is still there	Mar 10 17:11
MinceR	so, a relic	Mar 10 17:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google to launch SDK for Android wearables in	Mar 10 17:18
TweetTuxMachines	two weeks http://t.co/8yimDqaBFe	Mar 10 17:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8sq	Mar 10 17:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Performance Impact Of Linux Disk Encryption	Mar 10 17:18
TweetTuxMachines	On Ubuntu 14.04 LTS http://t.co/XjMt0m0B54	Mar 10 17:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gt8sr	Mar 10 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google to launch SDK for Android wearables in two weeks \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Performance Impact Of Linux Disk Encryption On Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \| Tux Machines		Mar 10 17:18
abeNd-org	relic? not if it is current	Mar 10 17:20
abeNd-org	& netflix announced they are getting rid of silverlight, but i dont think it was until 2019	Mar 10 17:21
abeNd-org	& im pretty sure netflix isnt going away in the next 6 months or so	Mar 10 17:22
Sosumi	http://www.dallasblog.com/201402181010101/dallas-blog/soros-hires-scientologist-to-conquer-ukraine.html	Mar 10 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dallasblog.com \| Dallasblog.com, the Dallas, Texas news blog and Dallas, Texas information source for the DFW Metroplex. - DALLAS BLOG - Soros Hires Scientologist to Conquer Ukraine [ http://ur1.ca/gt907 ]		Mar 10 17:54
Sosumi	facepalm	Mar 10 17:54
Sosumi	I'd be laughing as hard as possible at this one	Mar 10 18:01
Sosumi	but ppl are suffering	Mar 10 18:02
Sosumi	still, a scientologist?	Mar 10 18:02
Sosumi	rofl	Mar 10 18:02
MinceR	ecumenical conspiracy theory?	Mar 10 18:03
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 10 18:04
Sosumi	tarpley was the one who got the link	Mar 10 18:04
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MinceR	gn	Mar 10 19:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Black Lab Linux Education 4.2.5 and Black Lab	Mar 10 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	Professional Desktop 4.2.5 released	Mar 10 19:32
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msb_	I never programmed that IBM 1401, but I did spend a couple years on this LINC computer: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/linc/	Mar 11 00:33
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msb_	Click on the photos to expand them. It had silver toggle switches to load address and data. You could simply run your finger down them to set them all to 0 or 1. It had lighted pushbuttons!	Mar 11 00:35
msb_	The display was a 5" oscilloscope. I programmed a binocular stero display on it with one of the analog knobs adjusting separation of the two pictures to match the viewer's interocular distance.	Mar 11 00:36
cubezzz	that was by DEC was it not?	Mar 11 00:36
msb_	The keyboard crapped out and I helped make a new one out of a teletype and diode logic, to use until the replacement came.	Mar 11 00:37
msb_	Yes, DEC.	Mar 11 00:37
msb_	It was designed to be programmable by scientists for use in laboratory automation and data processing/visualization.	Mar 11 00:38
msb_	I wrote a program that used an area of memory to hold instructions created by a random number generator. They could modify themselves, but the HALT instruction was not executed. The display instruction had the X value in an index register and the Y value in the accumulator. The random-execution program made displays that looked like EEG patterns!	Mar 11 00:42
msb_	The Ghost in the Machine!	Mar 11 00:42
cubezzz	so it's a rasterized display?	Mar 11 00:42
cubezzz	if so, it's one of the earliest ones	Mar 11 00:42
msb_	Nope -- one dot at a time.	Mar 11 00:42
msb_	But the screen was fairly long persistence, and if there were 1000 dots or less it didn't flicker much.	Mar 11 00:43
msb_	I built a light-pen for it, so you could draw pictures and store them on the little magtapes. Even make movies, sort of.	Mar 11 00:44
msb_	Originally it had 1K of 12-bit core, then they added a second K.	Mar 11 00:45
cubezzz	that's tiny	Mar 11 00:45
msb_	But it didn't have to support a GUI. Just ran one program at a time, which you wrote in assembly language.	Mar 11 00:46
cubezzz	I guess that would be assembly language only then?	Mar 11 00:46
cubezzz	ah I see	Mar 11 00:46
msb_	But it was a very easy and efficient assembly language. BASIC came later, on the PDP-8,	Mar 11 00:47
msb_	The instructions were designed for programming by general scientists and lab techs, not computer specialists.	Mar 11 00:48
cubezzz	interesting	Mar 11 00:48
cubezzz	I've dabbled with early DEC computers a bit, but not the LINC	Mar 11 00:49
msb_	It came with an editor/assembler program, more or less curses-like. You could insert lines.	Mar 11 00:49
msb_	The LINC was the most beautiful of all.	Mar 11 00:49
cubezzz	did you ever work on a PDP-4?	Mar 11 00:50
cubezzz	that's about the same era	Mar 11 00:50
msb_	It had analog input knobs, A/D and D/A convertors, and a plugin frame that could hold custom circuitry you'd build on perf boards.	Mar 11 00:50
msb_	No.	Mar 11 00:50
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/pdp-4-trackball.png	Mar 11 00:50
msb_	LINC, PDP-8, LINC-8, PDP-12, PDP-6, PDP-10.	Mar 11 00:51
cubezzz	I've worked on PDP-10	Mar 11 00:51
msb_	Wow, huge screen!	Mar 11 00:52
cubezzz	DEC 340 display :)	Mar 11 00:52
cubezzz	well before my time, but interesting	Mar 11 00:52
msb_	I've used a $30 Logitech trackball for years. would never go back to a mouse.	Mar 11 00:52
msb_	We might have had one of those displays on the PDP-12. At least it was big and round. Still dot by dot.	Mar 11 00:53
cubezzz	vector 1024x1204 if I remember correctly	Mar 11 00:54
cubezzz	1024x1024	Mar 11 00:54
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msb_	I think ours was dots, not vectors, but I'm not sure now.	Mar 11 00:55
msb_	In any case you had to be very careful in programming it not to burn a hole in the phosphor by repeatedly displaying a dot in one place.	Mar 11 00:56
msb_	Always kept a finger on the STOP switch until you knew there were no bugs that would do that.	Mar 11 00:56
msb_	During the Vietnam War, some big bosses came through and I displayed a peace symbol on the LINC screen that I had secretly prepared.	Mar 11 00:59
msb_	No flicker, medium-persistence green phosphor, about the same color used in The Matrix.	Mar 11 01:00
cubezzz	reminds me a bit of Commodore PET	Mar 11 01:01
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/superpet-apl2.png	Mar 11 01:01
cubezzz	the PET had 8x8 characters though, so a bit more resolution than 4x6 :)	Mar 11 01:03
cubezzz	wikipedia says white or yellow phosphor, but those pics showed green	Mar 11 01:05
msb_	The 5 inch LINC display was definitely green. I don't remember the color of the large round PDP-12 display.	Mar 11 01:07
msb_	The PDP-12 had both LINC and PDP-8 instruction sets, and could switch between them.	Mar 11 01:07
msb_	It had a 5MB removable hard drive, that would scratch the head on the edge of the platter every time the cartridge was loaded. But DEC denied it.	Mar 11 01:09
cubezzz	RK05?	Mar 11 01:10
msb_	Could be. It was a single platter cartridge.	Mar 11 01:10
msb_	A Data General Eclipse computer I worked on had a 200MB HDD the size of a small coffin. I fixed it using only a triggered-delay oscilloscope.	Mar 11 01:12
cubezzz	what language(s) did you use on the PDP-10?	Mar 11 01:13
msb_	Computing got to be real fun again when I got an IBM-PC with a color display.	Mar 11 01:14
msb_	Assembly and Fortran. I was working on a machine to scan oscilloscope photographs into the computer. Scanned them with a CRT and lens, and picked up the reflection with a photomultiplier tube.	Mar 11 01:15
msb_	The photos were of nanosecond phenomena, and the original signals were to fast to digitize.	Mar 11 01:16
msb_	The thing actually worked, powered by a PDP-8 networked to the PDP-6 or 10, and was callable from Fortran.	Mar 11 01:17
msb_	to fast --> too fast	Mar 11 01:18
msb_	Light absorption in chlorophyll (spinach leaves) hit with a Q-switched ruby laser pulse.	Mar 11 01:19
msb_	The measure light was a xenon flash lamp powered by a multiple pi-section delay line, where the inductors were tunable with ferrite cores, enabling the light pulse to be flattened.	Mar 11 01:20
msb_	I was very proud of that measure light!	Mar 11 01:20
cubezzz	you had an interesting job :)	Mar 11 01:21
msb_	A succession of them.	Mar 11 01:21
msb_	Research labs were much better to work in than the software companies I was in after them. The scientists were rational. The software managers were not.	Mar 11 01:22
cubezzz	some work I did on tops-20:	Mar 11 01:23
cubezzz	http://apl.maxhost.org/apl-tops-20.txt	Mar 11 01:23
msb_	Was/is that a successor to the PDP-10?	Mar 11 01:24
msb_	Or an OS?	Mar 11 01:24
cubezzz	well tops-20 was the OS for DECSystem-20	Mar 11 01:25
cubezzz	not sure if that was the successor to PDP-10 though	Mar 11 01:25
msb_	I think I had migrated to DG Nova/Eclipse, and then to 6502 satellites of them, and then IBM-PCs.	Mar 11 01:26
cubezzz	I guess it's still a PDP-10 though	Mar 11 01:26
msb_	I had an idea for each lab setup to have a little 6502 machine with 4K or so of RAM, that could take data at high speed, store it, and feed it to the Eclipse central computer over a serial line.	Mar 11 01:28
msb_	It would have worked if they hadn't stopped me! No, actually we built one 6502 satellite (based on a cheap kit), and it did work.	Mar 11 01:29
cubezzz	I think some of the DECSystem-20's had 1024 kilowords of ram	Mar 11 01:31
msb_	I got circuit ideas for it from, I think Don Lancaster's monthly column in Popular Electronics.	Mar 11 01:31
msb_	A mighty megabyte!	Mar 11 01:31
msb_	Except I guess they were 36-bit words.	Mar 11 01:32
cubezzz	yes, pretty hefty :)	Mar 11 01:32
cubezzz	plus it had ethernet which is nice	Mar 11 01:34
msb_	Better than RS-232!	Mar 11 01:34
cubezzz	three-phase power, not something for the house	Mar 11 01:35
cubezzz	way too big	Mar 11 01:35
msb_	Cables under the floor.	Mar 11 01:35
cubezzz	I think there's a lot of source code kicking around though, and there's a pretty good emulator for it	Mar 11 01:36
msb_	Eventually a Pentium PC beat it all to hell. Such is the power of photolithography.	Mar 11 01:36
cubezzz	you be surprised now much old stuff is open source now	Mar 11 01:36
cubezzz	x86 doesn't rule everything	Mar 11 01:37
cubezzz	IBM still makes mainframes :)	Mar 11 01:37
msb_	Yeah, but what do they have inside 'em?	Mar 11 01:37
msb_	Might be lots of multi-core x86s.	Mar 11 01:38
msb_	Often running Linux.	Mar 11 01:38
cubezzz	it's z10 these days	Mar 11 01:38
msb_	Proprietary IBM CPU?	Mar 11 01:39
cubezzz	linux yes, but not x86	Mar 11 01:39
cubezzz	yeah it's an IBM microprocessor, came in around 2008	Mar 11 01:40
msb_	Didn't IBM contribute a billion dollars to improving Linux some years back?	Mar 11 01:41
cubezzz	some of the supercomputers are intel xeon though	Mar 11 01:42
cubezzz	ah, I think they did	Mar 11 01:42
cubezzz	there's still some anti-microsoft sentiment there :)	Mar 11 01:42
msb_	Good!	Mar 11 01:42
cubezzz	at least old IBM is actually open source	Mar 11 01:43
msb_	"Data control and IBM -- science is mankind's brother!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHC9NANKluU	Mar 11 01:44
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cubezzz	old stuff like DMS and OS/360-MVT, you can get the source for it	Mar 11 01:44
cubezzz	also VM/370	Mar 11 01:45
cubezzz	I'm an operating system aficionado :)	Mar 11 01:46
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cubezzz	check this rendering out:	Mar 11 01:47
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-370-model-145.png	Mar 11 01:47
msb_	Wow, so that's computer generated, not a photo?	Mar 11 01:49
cubezzz	yeah	Mar 11 01:49
msb_	Very good!	Mar 11 01:49
msb_	Did DEC have some kind of windowing GUI that ran on Unix before X?	Mar 11 01:50
cubezzz	there was the W Window System	Mar 11 01:50
msb_	Doesn't ring any bells. I think it was on DEC...	Mar 11 01:51
cubezzz	not sure if that ran on DEC though	Mar 11 01:51
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cubezzz	but it's the ancestor of X	Mar 11 01:51
msb_	No, I think it was SunOS.	Mar 11 01:51
msb_	Easier to deal with than X. Even I could understand it.	Mar 11 01:52
msb_	X I just have to take on faith.	Mar 11 01:53
msb_	Yes, I worked on Suns for a couple years. Pizza boxes and such.	Mar 11 01:54
cubezzz	SunOS ran X	Mar 11 01:54
cubezzz	xdm and all that stuff	Mar 11 01:55
msb_	But didn't it have its own GUI before X?	Mar 11 01:55
cubezzz	maybe really early on there was, not positive about that	Mar 11 01:57
msb_	"GUI environments bundled with earlier versions of SunOS included SunTools (later SunView)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunOS#User_interface	Mar 11 01:57
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cubezzz	even SunView ran on top of X	Mar 11 01:57
cubezzz	so before that, maybe	Mar 11 01:57
msb_	I think it was SunView.	Mar 11 01:57
cubezzz	remember, everyone got behind X around 1986 or so	Mar 11 01:58
cubezzz	so before 1986 it's quite possible that they used something else	Mar 11 01:58
msb_	I wrote my own simple window system for PC-DOS in C. Put up overlapping windows with text in them.	Mar 11 01:58
msb_	Never got around to graphics in the windows, though.	Mar 11 01:59
cubezzz	here's some history of X:	Mar 11 01:59
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/history-of-x.txt	Mar 11 01:59
cubezzz	Xerox had something before X	Mar 11 02:02
msb_	Thanks! Time marches on.	Mar 11 02:02
msb_	Everything must be improved, whether it needs to be or not.	Mar 11 02:02
cubezzz	yeah, I think X is important	Mar 11 02:02
cubezzz	device independent graphics	Mar 11 02:03
msb_	Has that program come back that allows you to adjust X to your monitor, instead of relying on X's wrong automatic guesses? I forget what it was called.	Mar 11 02:04
msb_	Also helped set up unusual input equipment like my trackball.	Mar 11 02:05
cubezzz	well redhat had there redhat-config-xfree86 program	Mar 11 02:06
msb_	Last time I upgraded Linux I had to get lots of hints and guesses from Suse IRC folks to make a center button by pushing left and right together.	Mar 11 02:06
msb_	Suse's had a different name. 8^)	Mar 11 02:07
cubezzz	in the somewhat olden days there was a package called XFree86-tools	Mar 11 02:07
cubezzz	so whatever was in that	Mar 11 02:07
msb_	I always keep all the config files and libs from the previous Linux in case I have to graft them onto the new one.	Mar 11 02:08
msb_	Bilkenstein's monster.	Mar 11 02:09
cubezzz	it's better to understand the text files though	Mar 11 02:09
cubezzz	rather than rely on some gui thingamajig	Mar 11 02:10
msb_	Well, yeah, I had to hack the X config files.	Mar 11 02:10
cubezzz	ok, now I remember what I used to do...	Mar 11 02:11
cubezzz	Xfree86 -configure	Mar 11 02:11
cubezzz	that barfs out a XF86Config text file :)	Mar 11 02:11
msb_	If the gui thingamajig works and writes the config files for me, that's fine. I long ago realized that I can't understand everything in computers. Even most things.	Mar 11 02:12
cubezzz	well the source is there, but it's hard to absorb all of it :)	Mar 11 02:12
cubezzz	learning everything about X is wading into deep water	Mar 11 02:13
cubezzz	a lot of the young uns don't understand X too well	Mar 11 02:13
msb_	it was SaX2! or maybe SaX or SaX3	Mar 11 02:14
msb_	a lot of the old uns don't either!	Mar 11 02:14
cubezzz	no one is saying learn the X protocol 100%, but some macro-level understanding is good	Mar 11 02:14
msb_	No doubt.	Mar 11 02:15
msb_	Hey, it gives us a hobby!	Mar 11 02:16
cubezzz	Scheifler "borrowed" a lot of W code for X	Mar 11 02:18
cubezzz	so MIT, DEC, IBM got together and helped build up X	Mar 11 02:19
msb_	Betwen google, the previous version, and IRC, any problem can be solved. Eventually.	Mar 11 02:19
msb_	Hey, ever since I blew the dust out of my cpu heatsink and such, and have kept moderate rein on Firefox, I haven't had another crash. I love watching the cpu temperature graphs in the sys mon program!	Mar 11 02:20
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msb_	Yes, cooperation can create great things!	Mar 11 02:21
cubezzz	the W window system ran under the V operating system	Mar 11 02:22
cubezzz	that came out of Stanford	Mar 11 02:22
msb_	I remember a tour through Stanford AI Lab, where they were all LISP fiends.	Mar 11 02:23
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msb_	Then I worked at a Stanford physics lab, that's where I used the Suns.	Mar 11 02:24
cubezzz	yeah there was Stanford Lisp	Mar 11 02:25
cubezzz	then MACLISP	Mar 11 02:26
msb_	Even some kind of Sun 386s, that ran Unix. They were kinda crashy.	Mar 11 02:26
cubezzz	and 4.3BSD had a lisp interpreter	Mar 11 02:26
cubezzz	I was never a fan though	Mar 11 02:26
msb_	When I first found out about lisp I thought it was god's primordial language. But I never got into it, except the simplified version for programming the BRIEF editor.	Mar 11 02:27
cubezzz	and early Sun's did run W, I	Mar 11 02:27
cubezzz	I'm just reading up on that	Mar 11 02:27
msb_	It was probably smarter than our previous president "W".	Mar 11 02:28
cubezzz	don't malign the letter :)	Mar 11 02:28
msb_	It has to host Sesame Street.	Mar 11 02:29
cubezzz	ah I found a pic of W:	Mar 11 02:31
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/w-window-system.gif	Mar 11 02:32
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cubezzz	wetscape looks like a web browser	Mar 11 02:33
msb_	Yes! Give W multiple named desktops and a taskbar, and I'd be happy with it.	Mar 11 02:34
msb_	And some apps, and a menu, and firefox, and... well, KDE3!	Mar 11 02:36
msb_	Also mc -- I'd be lost without it.	Mar 11 02:36
msb_	Have more than 50 copies running. Don't know why half of them don't show up in ps.	Mar 11 02:39
cubezzz	why so many?	Mar 11 02:39
msb_	20 desktops, 4-5 konsoles with mc in each.	Mar 11 02:40
msb_	All together they don't use more than a couple percent of my old cpu, so I leave them up, set to the directories of interest in each desktop.	Mar 11 02:41
msb_	I have an OS that could run 50 users out of this little PC. Might as well load it up with mind helpers for little old me.	Mar 11 02:42
msb_	I remember when a PDP-11 timeshared for a whole university, or at least a college. And my old dual core AMD is faster.	Mar 11 02:45
msb_	The human race will do great things, if we don't kill ourselves off.	Mar 11 02:45
msb_	I just read where some particle accelerator is going to be improved for even higher energies, where it might make a strangelet that would convert the entire planet and everything on it into a ball of seething crap.	Mar 11 02:47
msb_	Sane people would do that on a moon somewhere very far away.	Mar 11 02:48
msb_	Or maybe they would never do it.	Mar 11 02:50
msb_	I was thinking "another galaxy", but then it might ruin an entire galaxy.	Mar 11 02:50
msb_	Well, maybe natural processes create energies far above what we can ever reach. I sure hope so.	Mar 11 02:51
cubezzz	yeah I don't think we can destroy galaxies :)	Mar 11 02:52
cubezzz	we can't even put a guy on Mars yet :)	Mar 11 02:52
msb_	And if we can, we shouldn't.	Mar 11 02:52
msb_	I think we almost put Carrie-Anne Moss on Mars, but she stayed in orbit.	Mar 11 02:53
cubezzz	I never got mc working over ssh quite right	Mar 11 02:55
msb_	Ooh yeah! Red Planet 2000	Mar 11 02:56
cubezzz	esc 0 works though	Mar 11 02:57
cubezzz	then esc esc to get out of a menu	Mar 11 02:57
msb_	mc has a mailing list, maybe an irc channel. You could ask.	Mar 11 02:58
msb_	They're also constantly improving it. Or at least updating it.	Mar 11 02:59
msb_	I'm a cynic sometimes.	Mar 11 03:00
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/PaYDg	Mar 11 03:00
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msb_	I have never tweeted.	Mar 11 03:02
msb_	Never felt the urge.	Mar 11 03:02
MinceR	neither have i	Mar 11 03:03
MinceR	i prefer StatusNet anyway :>	Mar 11 03:03
MinceR	(but i haven't used that either)	Mar 11 03:03
msb_	I'm more the puddy tat type.	Mar 11 03:03
MinceR	lol	Mar 11 03:03
cubezzz	one of the problems is konsole uses f2 to make another instance of konsole	Mar 11 03:04
cubezzz	so that mucks things up for mc	Mar 11 03:05
cubezzz	but I think I've got it working OK now	Mar 11 03:05
cubezzz	mc -a	Mar 11 03:05
msb_	My version of console doesn't respond to F keys at all	Mar 11 03:06
msb_	Which is probably a good thing, in case I hit one by mistake.	Mar 11 03:06
msb_	console --> konsole	Mar 11 03:06
MinceR	iirc the hotkeys of konsole are configurable	Mar 11 03:07
cubezzz	yeah I probably changed something at some point	Mar 11 03:07
cubezzz	my setup is rather elaborate	Mar 11 03:07
msb_	In an episode of some anime' the bad guy has captured the good guy and is going to illustrate his fate with a computer program. But he has to say, "Wait a minute -- I have a lot of add-ons"	Mar 11 03:10
cubezzz	msb_, you probably don't want to watch this:	Mar 11 03:10
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Apocalypse	Mar 11 03:10
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cubezzz	a bit of a ex deus machina at the end :)	Mar 11 03:12
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msb__	goddamit, crashed again	Mar 11 03:21
msb__	not heat, wasn't doing too much with firefox	Mar 11 03:22
msb__	unless it's bad memory, I'm gonna have to spend $800+ for an 8x times faster computer that I don't need.	Mar 11 03:22
msb__	Now I have to set up all those konsoles and mcs (as I use them)	Mar 11 03:23
msb__	It was that Quantum Apocalypse movie! Looking it up stranged out my computer!	Mar 11 03:26
cubezzz	lol	Mar 11 03:29
cubezzz	why don't you buy an old box with a p3 coppermine cpu	Mar 11 03:30
cubezzz	I've had uptimes over a year with those	Mar 11 03:30
cubezzz	heat is the enemy, less heat means greater reliability	Mar 11 03:32
msb__	http://hf.dilbert.com/2014-03-10/	Mar 11 03:36
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msb__	My computer has been cool ever since I blew the dust out a couple days ago. The temp sensors say so.	Mar 11 03:37
msb__	I used to have uptimes over a year too, except for power outages.	Mar 11 03:38
msb__	When my cpu or mobo goes out, which is about every 5-8 years, I get a new 'puter that's about 8 times faster, and is, not state of the art, but at the sweet spot / cheap spot.	Mar 11 03:41
msb__	About $150 each for cpu, mobo, ram, case, psu.	Mar 11 03:42
msb__	That movie has an imdb rating of 3.0, and the review is titled "Unbelievably awful #@!$&".	Mar 11 03:46
msb__	"A group of talented but rebellious 'rock-star scientists'"	Mar 11 03:48
msb__	WTF is a rock-star scientist?	Mar 11 03:48
msb__	I may even watch it instead of watching Carrie-Anne Moss deal with some severe emergencies in Mars orbit, and even take a shower.	Mar 11 03:50
msb__	I'm gonna get you for this cubezzz!	Mar 11 03:50
MinceR	it's an astrophysicist specialized on rocks and stars, i guess	Mar 11 03:51
msb__	And according to the wiki article, they kill the thing by shooting a nuclear missile at it. Couldn't they just once piss on it or something, which would start a catalytic reaction and destroy it?	Mar 11 03:53
msb__	Hmm, the Earth is saved by the autistic brother Terry. Maybe he does piss on the thing.	Mar 11 03:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Social Music Apps for Android	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gcrpNxyQmk	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtcvf	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google will soon launch Android developer SDK	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	for wearable tech http://t.co/Vpt22sfn80	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtcvg	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu, Ubuntu, and Red Hat	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ztYEtK2s7t	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtcvh	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chinese phone maker Meizu arrives in France	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FlYgLmRR59	Mar 11 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtcvj	Mar 11 03:57
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msb__	"Social music" The mind boggles.	Mar 11 04:00
MinceR	http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/picdump-1056-2-1.jpg	Mar 11 04:10
cubezzz	msb_, my server is from 1998 :)	Mar 11 04:20
msb__	cubezzz: Very good! Supposedly there was some Linux server in an out-of-the-way place that got plastered over and lost for many years until someone tracked the cables to it. And it was still running.	Mar 11 04:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ojuba http://t.co/MERKzjS2FD	Mar 11 05:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtdhp	Mar 11 05:23
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MinceR	http://img.izismile.com/img/img7/20140310/1000/daily_gifdump_571_14.gif	Mar 11 06:27
Sosumi	EA, a company much worst than valve	Mar 11 06:47
Sosumi	*worse	Mar 11 06:48
Sosumi	specially at gouging its customers	Mar 11 06:48
Sosumi	is launching titanfall for 79€	Mar 11 06:48
Sosumi	lol	Mar 11 06:48
Sosumi	I just don't get the price hikes on games	Mar 11 06:49
Sosumi	compared to past gen and the generation before	Mar 11 06:50
Sosumi	and even less when the distribution method is digital	Mar 11 06:50
Sosumi	and no one gets to own the game at all	Mar 11 06:50
Sosumi	it's just an indefinite lease	Mar 11 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft to cut on software development, focus	Mar 11 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	on ads http://t.co/XpwtSKdA5a	Mar 11 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gte30	Mar 11 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My New Linux Ultrabook: The ASUS Zenbook	Mar 11 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	UX301LA-DH71T http://t.co/SnfwfmlS9T	Mar 11 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gte31	Mar 11 06:56
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Sosumi	also, on the anniversary of the gozilla quake in japan	Mar 11 07:14
Sosumi	japs want to boast ties with poortugal	Mar 11 07:14
Sosumi	aka ship their radioactive produce here	Mar 11 07:15
Sosumi	*boost	Mar 11 07:15
Sosumi	damm fingers hitting the wrong keys	Mar 11 07:15
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Sosumi	as for m$, I had said it	Mar 11 07:42
Sosumi	Satya Nutella was part of the Balmer echo chamber	Mar 11 07:42
Sosumi	so it was expected for them to continue following their strategy into the abyss	Mar 11 07:42
Sosumi	instead of focusing on software	Mar 11 07:43
Sosumi	and leaving things like search and adds as a hobby project	Mar 11 07:44
MinceR	geekings	Mar 11 08:03
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MinceR	http://therearenosunglasses.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/cartoon-44.jpg	Mar 11 08:53
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Sosumi	and now is the CIA on the news	Mar 11 09:47
Sosumi	well but not with as much coverage as the NSA has been getting	Mar 11 09:47
Sosumi	thanks to the CIA agent Snowden	Mar 11 09:48
Sosumi	it is quite obvious that the NSA and CIA weren't conceived to spy on each other	Mar 11 09:48
Sosumi	but the CIA would have a lot to gain if the NSA got heavily crippled or dissolved	Mar 11 09:49
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genome26	I really hate reading planet gnome these days	Mar 11 09:50
Sosumi	also the malasya airlines plane	Mar 11 09:50
genome26	it's always so full of pro-Mono crap	Mar 11 09:50
Sosumi	can be found in a dirac sea near you	Mar 11 09:50
Sosumi	:)	Mar 11 09:50
Sosumi	then don't use gnome	Mar 11 09:50
genome26	have you seen this? http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2014/03/gmime-gets-speed-boost.html	Mar 11 09:51
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genome26	at first, you're reading along and think "hey, this is cool"	Mar 11 09:51
genome26	and then the author goes and has to pimp out Mono saying it's faster than native code	Mar 11 09:52
Sosumi	no-mono and seriously no clang	Mar 11 09:52
genome26	why do the gnomne people tolerate this insolence?	Mar 11 09:52
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 11 09:53
MinceR	the gnome people have apparently accepted mono already	Mar 11 09:53
MinceR	afaik tomboy is (or at least was) an official part of gnome	Mar 11 09:53
MinceR	that's a big wtf in itself	Mar 11 09:53
Sosumi	.net makes no sense on linux	Mar 11 09:54
genome26	yea	Mar 11 09:54
Sosumi	as it doesn't make any sense to use llvm/clang on gnu/linux either	Mar 11 09:55
Sosumi	clang is in fact the apple fork of llvm	Mar 11 09:55
MinceR	i thought it was a compiler for llvm	Mar 11 09:56
MinceR	that turned c[++?] code into whatever bytecode llvm runs	Mar 11 09:56
Sosumi	yes, that	Mar 11 09:57
Sosumi	sry the last time I used xcode it still run gcc	Mar 11 09:57
Sosumi	*ran	Mar 11 09:57
genome26	I didn't even know what clang or llvm was	Mar 11 09:58
genome26	I heard of them before but forgot	Mar 11 09:59
Sosumi	mono, llvm, clang = things to shove into the garbage bin	Mar 11 09:59
genome26	yea, and add gmime to that list too	Mar 11 10:01
Sosumi	also for the folks looking into the sharp 4k display	Mar 11 10:01
Sosumi	stay away from it like	Mar 11 10:01
genome26	now that I know a pro-mono moron is behind it	Mar 11 10:02
genome26	I think my news reader uses it unfortunately	Mar 11 10:02
genome26	which is the only gnome program I use anymore	Mar 11 10:02
Sosumi	it easily burns and under display port multistream you lose display synch, forcing the display to restart itself	Mar 11 10:03
Sosumi	same can be expected for the asus rebrand	Mar 11 10:04
Sosumi	as it uses the same igzo panel	Mar 11 10:04
MinceR	Sosumi: so, is llvm bad also?	Mar 11 10:04
Sosumi	llvm is mainly bad for not being gpl	Mar 11 10:04
Sosumi	so instead of diverging focus to it	Mar 11 10:04
Sosumi	the focus should be directed into making gcc the best	Mar 11 10:05
MinceR	ic	Mar 11 10:05
genome26	the llvm website smears gdb saying its slow compared to theirs	Mar 11 10:10
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Sosumi	propaganda, propaganda, propaganda	Mar 11 11:31
Sosumi	also, crytek finished porting cryengine to linux	Mar 11 11:31
Sosumi	but no idea if that includes the entire sdk	Mar 11 11:31
Sosumi	fromwhat I've seen before	Mar 11 11:32
Sosumi	cryengine sdk could be ordered to output the rendered sandbox on a target platform	Mar 11 11:33
Sosumi	say, the ps3 or osx	Mar 11 11:33
Sosumi	but the sdk itself was windows only	Mar 11 11:33
Sosumi	just like the unreal sdk	Mar 11 11:34
Sosumi	so, support may be just for distribution, instead of the full fledged sdk	Mar 11 11:35
Sosumi	which is unfortunate	Mar 11 11:35
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 11 11:48
DaemonFC	Well, a damaged ego can cause people to keep insisting that they're right even after it's been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they were wrong.	Mar 11 11:48
DaemonFC	At this point, they have their honor invested in the Big Lie, and don't want to back out of it because it would force them to admit that they were deceived.	Mar 11 11:48
DaemonFC	People who are the victims of medical quackery like megadoses of herbs and vitamins who do not improve will tell other people that they did in order to save face.	Mar 11 11:48
DaemonFC	My grandparents got involved in some pyramid schemes back in the 90s, and lost over $10,000. They were telling people that they were in on some hot investment opportunities, even while they were losing their shirts.	Mar 11 11:48
DaemonFC	I remember two schemes by name that my grandparents got in on in the 90s.	Mar 11 11:48
DaemonFC	One was called Destiny Telecommunications. You got in by paying some money to be a "sales consultant" and sell phone cards to people. It turned out that the phone cards only had 20-30 minutes on them, even the ones that said they were good for several hours. The people running the scam did go to prison, as I recall, but the nature of those scams is that by the time the FBI busts them, there's almost never any money left, and the victims get back	Mar 11 11:48
DaemonFC	pennies on the dollar.	Mar 11 11:48
DaemonFC	The other one they got taken by was called "King's Vitamins", which was going around recruiting people at churches to sell their vitamins.	Mar 11 11:48
DaemonFC	My grandparents got in so deep with King's Vitamins that they fell behind on their payments on their Cadillac car and had a repo company come take it back. To save face, they insisted to everyone who asked where the Cadillac went that "the engine burned up".	Mar 11 11:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CryEngine to fully support Linux	Mar 11 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YeUyvrQwda	Mar 11 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtg9k	Mar 11 12:29
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Sosumi	no confirmation if it is just as the final product or also the sdk	Mar 11 12:42
Sosumi	DaemonFC, never heard about social darwinism?	Mar 11 12:44
Sosumi	it is that	Mar 11 12:44
Sosumi	you just described	Mar 11 12:44
DaemonFC	Greed.	Mar 11 12:48
DaemonFC	That movie "The Flim Flam Man" was a good one.	Mar 11 12:48
DaemonFC	The con man said "You can't cheat an honest man."	Mar 11 12:49
DaemonFC	People that fall for con games are looking to get ahead even though they really know that something's not right.	Mar 11 12:49
DaemonFC	Anyone who promises to triple your money is sending up a huge red flag.	Mar 11 12:50
Sosumi	again, social darwinism	Mar 11 12:52
Sosumi	preying upon the week	Mar 11 12:52
Sosumi	*weak	Mar 11 12:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat fast-tracks Docker apps for Enterprise	Mar 11 13:09
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/IxEvXoAax1	Mar 11 13:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtgp3	Mar 11 13:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Ubuntu Animosity Misplaced?	Mar 11 13:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pxXb7tiY3l	Mar 11 13:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtgp4	Mar 11 13:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CeBIT: Ubuntu smartphones to cost between $200	Mar 11 13:09
TweetTuxMachines	and $400 http://t.co/hSGWGvUwBO	Mar 11 13:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtgp6	Mar 11 13:09
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DaemonFC	ohhh	Mar 11 13:50
DaemonFC	Mesa 10.0 just got backported to Fedora 20.	Mar 11 13:50
DaemonFC	10.0.3	Mar 11 13:50
DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.html	Mar 11 13:51
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DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.1.html	Mar 11 13:51
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DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.2.html	Mar 11 13:51
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DaemonFC	http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.3.html	Mar 11 13:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links in Techrights http://t.co/EyUhDUNwS3	Mar 11 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gthj2	Mar 11 14:53
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cubezzz	yes, flash is still a problem	Mar 11 15:10
cubezzz	it's used to hide stuff	Mar 11 15:11
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sebsebseb	hi	Mar 11 15:19
cubezzz	adobe changed flash 10.1 so a lot of the ways to capture video wouldn't work	Mar 11 15:23
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cubezzz	thus flash >= 11 is a pain to deal with	Mar 11 15:24
DaemonFC	I posted this on Amazon in regard to Apple and Microsoft's patent trolling of Android:	Mar 11 15:57
DaemonFC	I just don't want to see Android and Firefox OS chased off the market by devices from Microsoft and Apple that really aren't all that good at all.	Mar 11 15:57
DaemonFC	Even the minimal improvements that Microsoft and Apple make between generations of phones would slow or stop if there was no Android challenging them, and moving the technology forward.	Mar 11 15:57
DaemonFC	It would be like that time where Internet Explorer 6 had 97% of the browser market, and Microsoft openly declared that it would be the last major version of Internet Explorer ever. They were just going to stop and leave people with Internet Explorer 6 forever with basically no improvements.	Mar 11 15:57
DaemonFC	They even backed up that announcement by firing 90% of the IE team. Then they sneered at Firefox and let it get about 10 years ahead of Internet Explorer before they did anything about it at all.	Mar 11 15:57
DaemonFC	This is what companies like Microsoft and Apple do when there's nobody moving the game forward.	Mar 11 15:57
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msb__	Regarding: "<DaemonFC> People who are the victims of medical quackery like megadoses of herbs and vitamins who do not improve will tell other people that they did in order to save face."	Mar 11 16:22
msb__	It's important to know that what is called "megadose" of Vitamin C really is not.	Mar 11 16:23
msb__	The govt RDA of vit C is about 200mg, which is enough to prevent scurvy and some other severe deficiency diseases, but it is nowhere near the amount that we need.	Mar 11 16:24
msb__	When we were living in trees we lost the last enzyme in the chain that makes ascorbic acid, because we were getting several grams/day from fruit.	Mar 11 16:25
cubezzz	msb_, I got something for you	Mar 11 16:26
cubezzz	computerworld from 1972	Mar 11 16:26
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/cw-1972-may-03.tar.gz	Mar 11 16:26
msb__	Animals other than great apes (and maybe guinea pigs) make about 5 grams/day when healthy, and up to 70grams/day when they have a viral infection.	Mar 11 16:26
cubezzz	how much vitamin C should we per day?	Mar 11 16:28
cubezzz	should we take	Mar 11 16:29
msb__	3 metric tons	Mar 11 16:29
msb__	No, actually about 5 grams/day.	Mar 11 16:29
msb__	Or if you're feeling low, 5 grams twice a day.	Mar 11 16:31
cubezzz	yeah it's hard to know if your getting enough nutrition from the food you eat	Mar 11 16:32
msb__	Generally you're not, and it's worth a buck a day or so to take supplements.	Mar 11 16:34
msb__	fish oil, various antioxidants, Bs, C, ubiquinol, sublingual B12, minerals, A (carotene), D3,...	Mar 11 16:35
msb__	Especially as one gets older and doesn't make or absorb nutrients that we used to.	Mar 11 16:36
msb__	Like B12. Very important, but useless orally, except under the tongue.	Mar 11 16:37
msb__	That's why middle-aged an older people get B12 shots. But sublingual is just as good.	Mar 11 16:39
Sosumi	well, I think I jst overdosed myself with vit c	Mar 11 16:45
msb__	cubezzz: What should I be looking for in those computerworld pages?	Mar 11 16:45
msb__	Sosumi: How much did you take?	Mar 11 16:46
cubezzz	actually that issue isn't terribly interesting	Mar 11 16:46
cubezzz	try this one:	Mar 11 16:46
msb__	Less than 1 metric ton is safe.	Mar 11 16:46
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/cw-1979-dec-24.tar.gz	Mar 11 16:46
Sosumi	4 oranges and a ton of strawberries	Mar 11 16:46
Sosumi	and a couple slices of pineapple	Mar 11 16:46
Sosumi	and 5 apples	Mar 11 16:47
cubezzz	msb__, I just find looking at historical computer info is interesting	Mar 11 16:47
msb__	Sosumi: That amount of C won't hurt you certainly, probably 60 grams at once wouldn't, although it might give you a stomache ache and diarearia.	Mar 11 16:48
Sosumi	I was just joking	Mar 11 16:48
Sosumi	I eat that everyday	Mar 11 16:49
msb__	Speaking of which, I'd stay near a toilet for a couple of days, or wear diapers.	Mar 11 16:49
Sosumi	with no issues at all	Mar 11 16:49
Sosumi	in order to replenish my vitamin stock from the abuses of the day	Mar 11 16:49
Sosumi	specially the ones that come associated with weight lifting	Mar 11 16:49
msb__	Trouble is, you'd have to eat a very wide variety of foods to get the trace nutrients you need. Much easier with pills.	Mar 11 16:50
Sosumi	I've tried that	Mar 11 16:51
msb__	Sosumi: I guess if you lift weights your anal sphincter is very strong?	Mar 11 16:51
Sosumi	but ended up having stomach disconfort	Mar 11 16:52
msb__	From what?	Mar 11 16:52
Sosumi	vit supplements	Mar 11 16:52
Sosumi	even the weaker ones	Mar 11 16:52
cubezzz	I hate taking pills with lots of iron in them	Mar 11 16:53
cubezzz	they taste really gross	Mar 11 16:53
msb__	Eat them with a little food.	Mar 11 16:53
Sosumi	ho but I did	Mar 11 16:53
msb__	iron is bad for you unless you're low in hemoglobin	Mar 11 16:53
msb__	Sosumi: never heard that from anyone else, except a few with stomach upset from Vit. C. Which you can eliminate by neutralizing its acidity with CaCO3 or MgCO3.	Mar 11 16:55
Sosumi	well, I'm an anomaly :)	Mar 11 16:55
Sosumi	but I try to compensate it through food	Mar 11 16:56
Sosumi	and it has been ok	Mar 11 16:56
msb__	Like the weird surgeon said, "Suture self."	Mar 11 16:57
Sosumi	german accent Suit Yourself	Mar 11 16:58
Sosumi	much cooler	Mar 11 16:58
msb__	cubezzz: Old mainframes don't do much for me, but old minis, micros, kits, etc, do, 'cause that's what I worked with.	Mar 11 17:00
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msb__	about 10 years ago, a friend told me he had congestive heart failure and was gonna die in a few months.	Mar 11 17:04
msb__	I got him on Co-Q10 and carnitine, and all his symptoms disappeared. He's alive and healthy to this day.	Mar 11 17:04
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msb__	See the Vit C, rheumatic, and cancer pages linked in the pink section of my site cosmicpenguin.com.	Mar 11 17:12
msb__	Alternative medicine can be very helpful.	Mar 11 17:13
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Sosumi	that was I mentioned at first the issue with the adjuvants	Mar 11 17:41
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msb__	sure. Also aluminum and squalene, which can cause autoimmune disease.	Mar 11 17:42
msb__	Al causes alzheimers.	Mar 11 17:42
MinceR	i wonder what the proof for that is	Mar 11 17:43
MinceR	and if it's even relevant to the dosage present in vaccines at all	Mar 11 17:43
MinceR	not to mention what compound that "mercury" and "aluminum" is present in	Mar 11 17:43
msb__	In the 90s, a bunch of kidney patients got dialized against tapwater with high Al content. They got very fast alzheimers. Also the characteristic "neurofibrillary tangles" in Alz brains have 80x as much Al in them as other tissues.	Mar 11 17:45
msb__	dialyzed	Mar 11 17:45
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msb__	Duplicated by injecting rats.	Mar 11 17:46
msb__	As to quantity and compound, I don't want any thank you very much.	Mar 11 17:47
Sosumi	the aluminum thing is true	Mar 11 17:47
Sosumi	as for the concentration of adverse adjuvants on the vaccine	Mar 11 17:47
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 11 17:47
Sosumi	but I agree on being safer than sorry	Mar 11 17:48
Sosumi	but given portugal's vaccination program	Mar 11 17:48
msb__	Here's a fun read: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970914&slug=2560362	Mar 11 17:48
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Sosumi	there is nothing to worry abount	Mar 11 17:48
Sosumi	I know about	Mar 11 17:49
msb__	nothing to worry about... nothing to worry about... nothing to worry about...	Mar 11 17:50
MinceR	"tapwater with high Al content" is very different from "vaccine containing thiomersal"	Mar 11 17:50
MinceR	224715 < msb__> As to quantity and compound, I don't want any thank you very much.	Mar 11 17:50
MinceR	see, this has nothing to do with the scientific method	Mar 11 17:50
MinceR	or modern medicine.	Mar 11 17:51
msb__	Of course, two different poisons.	Mar 11 17:51
MinceR	also, apparently thiomersal was already phased out of many vaccines	Mar 11 17:51
MinceR	even though there's no convincing evidence about the harm	Mar 11 17:51
MinceR	and pretty much everything is a poison, in the right dose	Mar 11 17:52
MinceR	so dosage _is_ important	Mar 11 17:52
MinceR	for example, oxygen can be poisonous at too high doses, but try living without it	Mar 11 17:52
MinceR	as for vaccines, the proper way to determine risk would probably be via real clinical trial, not speculation based on what element was found where.	Mar 11 17:53
MinceR	apparently in the case of O2, pressure is important as well as concentration	Mar 11 17:53
MinceR	(space suits use low pressure pure O2)	Mar 11 17:54
MinceR	water can be poisonous as well	Mar 11 17:54
MinceR	etc.	Mar 11 17:54
msb__	So can stupidity.	Mar 11 17:54
MinceR	not in the same sense	Mar 11 17:54
Sosumi	play nice folks	Mar 11 17:58
MinceR	also, thiomersal will probably not harm you. but pertussis will kill you. :>	Mar 11 17:59
MinceR	and so will TBC.	Mar 11 18:00
Sosumi	just remember what dalton said	Mar 11 18:00
Sosumi	everything is poison and nothing is poison	Mar 11 18:00
Sosumi	it's just a matter of quantity	Mar 11 18:00
MinceR	:>	Mar 11 18:01
Sosumi	gn	Mar 11 18:02
MinceR	o/	Mar 11 18:02
MinceR	squalene is (allegedly) mostly used for non-human vaccines and might even be beneficial	Mar 11 18:03
MinceR	also, squalene is a vital part of the synthesis of sterols, including cholesterol and vitamin D -- so the "Al in water => Al is evil" theory would mean no vitamin D or lipoproteins for you :>	Mar 11 18:08
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MinceR	http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aEwO0Ln_460sa.gif	Mar 11 18:41
msb__	MinceR: what is TBC?	Mar 11 19:26
MinceR	oops, they call it TB in english	Mar 11 19:28
MinceR	tuberculosis	Mar 11 19:28
MinceR	gn	Mar 11 19:31
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msb__	I have done extensive trials on Vit C for viruses -- 50 years on myself for colds and flu, a couple of cats, and a 5-year old with measles (of course with doses scaled to body weight). In all cases there was relief of symptoms within 1-3 hours, and eventual return of symptoms a few hours after that, whereupon I began continuous treatment for a few days.	Mar 11 21:45
msb__	Since the cats and kid didn't know what they were getting, that was a blind experiment. I've also given it to various adults, with the same results.	Mar 11 21:47
msb__	The results all agreed with the findings of Cathcart, Pauling, Klenner (who consistently cured polio with C), and others, I regard the action of C against viral infections as proven beyond doubt.	Mar 11 21:49
msb__	Too bad MinceR has gone, I'm sure he would disagree!	Mar 11 21:50
msb__	Incidentally, testing of new drugs in the US is done by the manufacturer, not by the FDA.	Mar 11 21:52
msb__	Once upon a time, I was involved in the testing of a medical device that was already being sold. I found that it could kill the patient. Did the mfr tell the FDA? No, they fired me.	Mar 11 21:53
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DaemonFC	Winter Storm Vulcan is about to pass over me.	Mar 12 00:39
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msb__	DaemonFC: Vulcan?? Is it a Hot Hail storm? That's Ming the Merciless attacking!	Mar 12 01:16
msb__	If only we could block the rays from his Nitron Lamp!	Mar 12 01:17
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MinceR	msb__: wow, a sample of 2 people and a few cats. surely that must measure up to real clinical trials!	Mar 12 02:46
MinceR	not to mention double-blind testing	Mar 12 02:46
msb__	MinceR: dozens of people and dozens of times on me.	Mar 12 02:58
DaemonFC	schestowitz: http://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/valve-has-posted-their-direct3d-to-opengl-translation-layer-onto-github.3248/	Mar 12 03:00
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msb__	The only clinical trials by FDA -related orgs used only about 2 grams of C/day and so found no effect. But the ghouls are very eager to ban it. For our own good of course.	Mar 12 03:01
msb__	Klenner cured lots of children of polio.	Mar 12 03:01
MinceR	ban it?	Mar 12 03:04
MinceR	isn't vitamin c available over the counter?	Mar 12 03:04
DaemonFC	MinceR: Yes. In several forms.	Mar 12 03:05
DaemonFC	You should take Ester-C if you want to take more than the RDA and don't want to risk developing kidney stones though.	Mar 12 03:06
MinceR	i wasn't aware of that risk	Mar 12 03:06
DaemonFC	http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/high-dose-vitamin-c-linked-to-kidney-stones-in-men-201302055854	Mar 12 03:07
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DaemonFC	MinceR: Kidney stones are incredibly painful.	Mar 12 03:12
DaemonFC	That and diarrhea are the only two proven health effects of massive vitamin C doses.	Mar 12 03:12
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 12 03:12
MinceR	:>	Mar 12 03:12
DaemonFC	MinceR: This should tell you how fat people are getting.	Mar 12 03:13
DaemonFC	The government suggests "making water more appealing".	Mar 12 03:13
DaemonFC	Your internal organs fail without it, and then you die.	Mar 12 03:14
DaemonFC	Is water appealing enough now? :)	Mar 12 03:14
MinceR	i think they mean it as opposed to beverages with sugar, which are also mostly water :>	Mar 12 03:14
DaemonFC	One can of Coke has 14 tablespoons of sugar in it.	Mar 12 03:16
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 12 03:16
DaemonFC	err	Mar 12 03:16
DaemonFC	teaspoons	Mar 12 03:16
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MinceR	:)	Mar 12 03:16
DaemonFC	it's disgustingly sweet	Mar 12 03:17
DaemonFC	I don't know how people drink it.	Mar 12 03:17
DaemonFC	I'd rather have water any day.	Mar 12 03:17
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DaemonFC	He kicked the cat in the butt.	Mar 12 03:18
DaemonFC	Big mistake!	Mar 12 03:18
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 12 03:18
schestowitz__	lol	Mar 12 03:18
schestowitz__	"there is a giant cat in my house"	Mar 12 03:18
schestowitz__	operator: "tiger?"	Mar 12 03:18
MinceR	it's not disgustingly sweet because all that sugar is balanced somewhat by carbonic acid and phosphoric acid :>	Mar 12 03:18
DaemonFC	Calling 911 over a housecat...	Mar 12 03:21
MinceR	i wasn't aware that meowing was a signal of hostility :>	Mar 12 03:21
DaemonFC	It's hard to imagine Jabba ever acting like that.	Mar 12 03:22
DaemonFC	He sleeps on my arm usually. He's a good cat.	Mar 12 03:22
DaemonFC	He curls up on my lap and watches tv with me.	Mar 12 03:23
DaemonFC	He actually does pay attention to what's on the tv.	Mar 12 03:23
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msb__	According to the article, "high" dose C raises the incidence of kidney stones in men from 1% to 2%. 99% of men who take it and 100% of women, have no increased kidney stones.	Mar 12 04:14
msb__	The article lies when it says there are no health benefits. My site links to several, and Cathcart's to even more.	Mar 12 04:15
msb__	"Ester-C	Mar 12 04:16
msb__	The name "Ester-C" is a lie. I've looked at the package. It's calcium ascorbate, exactly what you don't want to take if your body is unusually good at converting ascorbate to oxalate, which forms kidney stones with Ca.	Mar 12 04:17
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MinceR	geekings	Mar 12 07:08
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MinceR	http://hacksandstuff.com/science/paper-microscope-97-cents-by-stanford-scientists_1234268.html	Mar 12 08:20
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MinceR	http://www.cityam.com/article/1394504131/venezuela-s-mad-socialist-experiment-destroying-nation	Mar 12 11:00
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MinceR	so much for that dream world	Mar 12 11:00
Sosumi	when is taken to the extremes	Mar 12 11:04
Sosumi	yes	Mar 12 11:04
Sosumi	just like the US	Mar 12 11:04
MinceR	they can't even provide enough toilet paper to their people^Wserfs	Mar 12 11:07
Sosumi	well	Mar 12 11:08
Sosumi	there are tent cities in the US with people that dropped out of the labor market and can't find a job	Mar 12 11:08
Sosumi	which don't even account for the unemployment %	Mar 12 11:08
Sosumi	same also happens in japan	Mar 12 11:09
Sosumi	with cardboard cities	Mar 12 11:09
Sosumi	it is like I just said	Mar 12 11:09
Sosumi	when certain things are taken to the extreme	Mar 12 11:09
Sosumi	no good outcome can come out of that	Mar 12 11:09
Sosumi	did I forget detroit?	Mar 12 11:10
MinceR	maybe the turbo-republicans will succeed at destroying the economy to the point where they can sell cheap labor like the PRC does now :>	Mar 12 11:10
Sosumi	cheap labor?	Mar 12 11:10
Sosumi	more like sweat shop labor	Mar 12 11:10
MinceR	indeed.	Mar 12 11:10
MinceR	modern slavery	Mar 12 11:10
Sosumi	those folks don't even earn the required money to buy what they manufacture	Mar 12 11:11
Sosumi	and then you have companies	Mar 12 11:11
Sosumi	putting 90% markups on products	Mar 12 11:11
Sosumi	hey, like apple does	Mar 12 11:11
Sosumi	which is an exaggeration	Mar 12 11:13
Sosumi	other companies do that too, just to sound premium	Mar 12 11:14
Sosumi	like samsung was doing with the galaxy s4	Mar 12 11:14
Sosumi	by releasing it at the same price as the iphone	Mar 12 11:14
Sosumi	to them lower the price by 200€ in 2 months	Mar 12 11:15
MinceR	because the idiotic buyers believe that the hypePhone is premium and that it's worth its price	Mar 12 11:17
Sosumi	but the s4 isn't premium either	Mar 12 11:17
MinceR	at least the s4 is a smartphone	Mar 12 11:17
MinceR	and a high-end one at that, iirc	Mar 12 11:17
Sosumi	one is a piece of crippled crap with fancy looks	Mar 12 11:17
MinceR	i wonder if samsung is still pushing region locking	Mar 12 11:18
Sosumi	the other is turd made of plastic that doesn't get the updates at the same time google updates android	Mar 12 11:18
Sosumi	and yes	Mar 12 11:18
Sosumi	the region locking	Mar 12 11:18
Sosumi	which makes no sense	Mar 12 11:18
MinceR	only nexus devices get the updates when google updates android	Mar 12 11:18
MinceR	and there are good reasons for some of the delays	Mar 12 11:18
Sosumi	but samsung could at least use a metallic frame on their phones to add some resistance to screen	Mar 12 11:20
Sosumi	just in case someone accidentally sited on the phone	Mar 12 11:20
Sosumi	or applied some pressure	Mar 12 11:20
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Sosumi	or at least make the phone bulky	Mar 12 11:21
Sosumi	if they must indeed use plastic	Mar 12 11:21
Sosumi	it is just bad that the htc is kind of going under	Mar 12 11:21
Sosumi	simply because the htc one is kind of the model to follow	Mar 12 11:22
msb__	http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855	Mar 12 11:24
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MinceR	how do metal frames do in drop tests?	Mar 12 11:25
Sosumi	they get scratches	Mar 12 11:25
MinceR	sure, but does the display stay in one piece, does the phone keep working?	Mar 12 11:26
MinceR	all the drop tests i've seen resulted in an unusable phone	Mar 12 11:26
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 11:26
Sosumi	I just mentioned into resistance to deformation	Mar 12 11:26
Sosumi	from sitting on the top of the phone	Mar 12 11:27
Sosumi	and even if the phone is made of plastic	Mar 12 11:27
Sosumi	those smartphonesa with big screen	Mar 12 11:27
msb__	US support for fascist groups in Venezuela, and US media lying that the V govt is the source of the violence is the same strategy that the US just used in Ukraine.	Mar 12 11:27
Sosumi	I recomend to never let them fall	Mar 12 11:27
Sosumi	venezuela, US sponsored opposition promoting distabilization and bolivar governement not being of much help to the future survival of the country	Mar 12 11:29
Sosumi	of which in my opinion, was modeled after chaves personality	Mar 12 11:29
Sosumi	and dies with him	Mar 12 11:29
Sosumi	*died	Mar 12 11:29
msb__	Sadly, MinceR favors the US and the internal fascists in both cases, posting an article calling socialism a "mad experiment", and in his comment, a "dream world".	Mar 12 11:30
Sosumi	socialism is a mad experiment	Mar 12 11:30
msb__	Capitalism that is not severely regulated is a murderous psychopath experiment.	Mar 12 11:31
Sosumi	but so is anarcho/neo/degenerate-liberal and libertarian capitalism	Mar 12 11:32
msb__	same thing	Mar 12 11:32
Sosumi	that is why when it comes to those things	Mar 12 11:32
msb__	...capitalism that is not severely regulated	Mar 12 11:32
Sosumi	I recommend the balanced approach	Mar 12 11:33
msb__	Social democracy works.	Mar 12 11:33
Sosumi	with the required regulations and safety nets so that no one gets the shaft	Mar 12 11:33
msb__	So does democratic socialism when it isn't attacked by fascists.	Mar 12 11:34
Sosumi	and if they do get the shaft, well, at least try to minize the damage done	Mar 12 11:34
msb__	Sosumi: yes	Mar 12 11:34
Sosumi	also, social democracy doesn't work	Mar 12 11:34
Sosumi	people are too misguided	Mar 12 11:34
Sosumi	to the point they'd probably vote in for their own enslavement	Mar 12 11:34
msb__	That occurs because corporate media lies to them, so they don't know what's going on, and thus whom to vote for.	Mar 12 11:35
msb__	...for their own benefit.	Mar 12 11:35
Sosumi	corporate media tells what fits the needs of their parent companies	Mar 12 11:36
Sosumi	I wander since when was the duty of media to tell the truth	Mar 12 11:36
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Sosumi	I think, never	Mar 12 11:36
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msb__	Yes, which is exactly the opposite of what fits the needs of the people.	Mar 12 11:37
Sosumi	well, if the people don't know better	Mar 12 11:37
msb__	It was always the duty, but rarely the actuality.	Mar 12 11:37
Sosumi	let them suffer	Mar 12 11:37
msb__	That's an anti-human idea.	Mar 12 11:37
Sosumi	that is a realistic idea	Mar 12 11:38
msb__	So you think people should suffer if they are lied to by Bernays-style massive propaganda.	Mar 12 11:38
Sosumi	can you be stressed out by people of which you tell how things are	Mar 12 11:38
Sosumi	yest they continue to do the same over and over again	Mar 12 11:39
Sosumi	that is the very definition of madness	Mar 12 11:39
Sosumi	just like repeating the same experiment and expecting different result	Mar 12 11:39
Sosumi	*results	Mar 12 11:39
msb__	please reformulate. I could not parse that sentence starting with "can you..."	Mar 12 11:39
Sosumi	I'm working...	Mar 12 11:40
Sosumi	not even looked at the irc window	Mar 12 11:40
Sosumi	can you stress yourself out about people that even presented with the information	Mar 12 11:41
Sosumi	continue to do the same crap?	Mar 12 11:41
Sosumi	I can't	Mar 12 11:41
msb__	There are only a few people who access accurate info, ie, on the Web.	Mar 12 11:42
Sosumi	just on the web?	Mar 12 11:42
Sosumi	what about books	Mar 12 11:42
msb__	Pretty much.	Mar 12 11:43
msb__	They don't reach many people.	Mar 12 11:43
Sosumi	what about many of the ideals that still predominate today? like the works of malthus	Mar 12 11:43
Sosumi	what about Carrol quigley's books?	Mar 12 11:43
Sosumi	what about charles goulton darwin's books?	Mar 12 11:44
msb__	I just read that he was in favor of rule by a wealthy few.	Mar 12 11:44
Sosumi	they're probably on a library near you	Mar 12 11:44
msb__	(quigley)	Mar 12 11:44
Sosumi	all filled with dust	Mar 12 11:44
Sosumi	the info is there	Mar 12 11:44
Sosumi	for the ones that care to look at	Mar 12 11:44
msb__	They don't talk about current fascist takeovers, which is what people need to know about.	Mar 12 11:44
Sosumi	what about current "fascist" takeovers?	Mar 12 11:45
Sosumi	what ukraine?	Mar 12 11:45
msb__	Ukraine, Libya, attempts in Venezuela, Syria	Mar 12 11:45
Sosumi	there have been plenty of them through history	Mar 12 11:45
Sosumi	in order to formulate a pattern	Mar 12 11:46
Sosumi	if people actually cared to study historic precedents to war, revolutions and so on	Mar 12 11:46
Sosumi	they'd understand	Mar 12 11:46
msb__	People are programmed not to think by JCI religion, schooling, etc. They need to have the patterns described for them so they can easily understand.	Mar 12 11:47
Sosumi	that's a poor excuse	Mar 12 11:48
Sosumi	programming? what programming?	Mar 12 11:48
Sosumi	they just teach you at school the basics	Mar 12 11:48
msb__	No it isn't. The formulated fascist lies surround them on all sides.	Mar 12 11:48
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Sosumi	do you want to call the teaching of mathematics and physics	Mar 12 11:49
Sosumi	programming	Mar 12 11:49
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Sosumi	or chemistry or biology	Mar 12 11:49
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Sosumi	even on a middle grade to high school curricula	Mar 12 11:49
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Sosumi	I fail to notice the programming	Mar 12 11:50
msb__	No, at school -- grades 1 to 12 -- you are taught to believe what you're told, not question it, and regurgitate it, else you are punished.	Mar 12 11:50
Sosumi	I was never punished for questioning	Mar 12 11:50
msb__	Possibly the unnoticed programming is responsible for your belief that people who are flooded with lying propaganda deserve to suffer.	Mar 12 11:51
Sosumi	I just took the classes and at the end of the day would go to the library seek more info	Mar 12 11:51
Sosumi	well, they bring it onto themselves, don't they?	Mar 12 11:51
msb__	Can you see that JCI religion is programming not to think?	Mar 12 11:51
msb__	No, they don't.	Mar 12 11:51
Sosumi	well if they live confortably in their own ignorance, let them live	Mar 12 11:52
msb__	The psychopaths ordering the propaganda bring it onto them.	Mar 12 11:52
Sosumi	what good does a person like that bring	Mar 12 11:52
msb__	Not much, if they are programmed not to think.	Mar 12 11:53
Sosumi	ho yes, the poor victim who can't discern what is good and what is bad	Mar 12 11:53
msb__	Because they swim in a sea of lies.	Mar 12 11:53
Sosumi	do them?	Mar 12 11:53
msb__	That's the Bernays technique. Are you familiar with it?	Mar 12 11:53
Sosumi	or they just swim through their xbox library and tv channels	Mar 12 11:53
Sosumi	and do not care about anything else	Mar 12 11:54
Sosumi	because it is not in their comfort zone	Mar 12 11:54
msb__	So, apparently you have no empathy. Do you know the name of that condition?	Mar 12 11:54
Sosumi	empathy for what?	Mar 12 11:54
Sosumi	I deal with people every single day	Mar 12 11:55
msb__	For people who are so intensively lied to that they believe the lies.	Mar 12 11:55
Sosumi	I'm not going to put things inside their heads	Mar 12 11:55
msb__	?	Mar 12 11:55
Sosumi	I may point were to look	Mar 12 11:55
Sosumi	but they'll have to learn things by themselves	Mar 12 11:55
msb__	So, apparently you have no empathy. Do you know the name of that condition?	Mar 12 11:55
Sosumi	ho yes, I have a junior student asking me to solve him a calculus problem	Mar 12 11:56
Sosumi	so instead of giving him directions	Mar 12 11:57
Sosumi	I solve the exercise for him	Mar 12 11:57
msb__	Very different situation. He is not being lied to to prevent him from solving it.	Mar 12 11:57
Sosumi	and he learns nothing	Mar 12 11:57
Sosumi	same thing	Mar 12 11:57
Sosumi	one is a hard science the other is a human science	Mar 12 11:57
msb__	Do you know about Bernays technique for mind control?	Mar 12 11:57
Sosumi	what bernays technique	Mar 12 11:58
Sosumi	he may have written about it on porpaganda and his papaers	Mar 12 11:58
Sosumi	but the techniques of human "herd" control	Mar 12 11:59
Sosumi	are much older	Mar 12 11:59
msb__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays	Mar 12 11:59
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msb__	A good candidate for the most evil person to have ever lived.	Mar 12 11:59
Sosumi	is he? what about bertrand russel?	Mar 12 12:00
cubezzz	worst that Hitler? seems unlikely :)	Mar 12 12:00
Sosumi	shiklegruber was actually a kewl guy	Mar 12 12:00
Sosumi	at least, killed less than stalin and mao	Mar 12 12:01
Sosumi	but lets not forget the blood count bush senior/junior, clinton and obozo	Mar 12 12:02
msb__	Perhaps Microsoft has planted nazis in techrights to produce regime change.	Mar 12 12:03
Sosumi	and LBJ with the vietnam escalation	Mar 12 12:03
Sosumi	remember agent orange and all that?	Mar 12 12:04
Sosumi	maybe, just maybe, the kill count for vietnam was larger than hitlers kill count	Mar 12 12:05
Sosumi	and ppl continue suffering the repercussions to this day	Mar 12 12:05
msb__	You have changed the topic of conversation away from your total lack of empathy for populations lied to by ubiquitous fascist proganda.	Mar 12 12:05
Sosumi	so the kill counter is still ticking	Mar 12 12:05
Sosumi	what empathy?	Mar 12 12:06
msb__	Because you can't deal with that topic.	Mar 12 12:06
msb__	Exactly -- you have none. That is the definition of a sociopath/psychopath.	Mar 12 12:06
Sosumi	what empathy? again	Mar 12 12:06
msb__	You have changed the topic of conversation away from your total lack of empathy for populations lied to by ubiquitous fascist proganda.	Mar 12 12:07
Sosumi	for ppl who are too inept to break out of their comfort zones?	Mar 12 12:07
msb__	For people who don't know what reality is, because they are surrounded by lies, as in The Matrix.	Mar 12 12:07
Sosumi	cubezzz was the combo breaker	Mar 12 12:07
msb__	?	Mar 12 12:08
Sosumi	yet, as in the matrix some ppl were not ready to deal with the truth	Mar 12 12:08
Sosumi	so they couldn't be unplugged	Mar 12 12:08
Sosumi	and even at first neo had trouble accepting his new reality	Mar 12 12:09
Sosumi	so, I don't see what is the point	Mar 12 12:09
Sosumi	by mentioning the movie	Mar 12 12:09
Sosumi	which was bad	Mar 12 12:09
msb__	I'm talking about the vast majority of people who have not been "unplugged". You say they deserve the results of their programmed ignorance.	Mar 12 12:09
Sosumi	and cliché	Mar 12 12:10
cubezzz	as a hacker movie matrix wasn't very good	Mar 12 12:10
Sosumi	if they're not willing to think for themselves	Mar 12 12:10
Sosumi	well, they deserve everything they get	Mar 12 12:11
msb__	One of the most Conscious movies ever made, since it portrays the magnitude of the lying.	Mar 12 12:11
Sosumi	ho yes, here we go with the new age mantra	Mar 12 12:11
msb__	They can't think for themselves if they are denied truthful information and showered with lies.	Mar 12 12:11
Sosumi	consciousness! I tell ya	Mar 12 12:11
Sosumi	now here's a joint of marijuana	Mar 12 12:12
msb__	Consciousness is something you do not have.	Mar 12 12:12
Sosumi	well, actually now we entered into a paradigm	Mar 12 12:12
Sosumi	if they can't think for themselves	Mar 12 12:12
cubezzz	also the "code" in jurassic park was ridiculous :)	Mar 12 12:13
Sosumi	how can they decide if they are going to play xbox one ps3?	Mar 12 12:13
msb__	You're a programmed sociopathic robot.	Mar 12 12:13
Sosumi	*or	Mar 12 12:13
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/jurassic-code.jpg	Mar 12 12:13
Sosumi	ho yes, the evil sosumi	Mar 12 12:13
Sosumi	vs the messiah msb__	Mar 12 12:14
Sosumi	who thinks that by regurgitating alex jones is going to save everyone	Mar 12 12:14
cubezzz	alex jones was smart enough to interview Stallman :)	Mar 12 12:14
msb__	Jones is anti-socialist.	Mar 12 12:14
cubezzz	but yeah, Jones is crazy	Mar 12 12:14
Sosumi	because, hey AJ says "we" are winning, when in fact, "we" are losing, big time	Mar 12 12:15
Sosumi	plus, messiah msb__	Mar 12 12:15
Sosumi	you can't save them all	Mar 12 12:15
msb__	I and many others try to save some.	Mar 12 12:16
Sosumi	then good luck, grab your bullhorn and go yell at the street about the evil people	Mar 12 12:17
Sosumi	while everyone gives you a sight and thinks you're a raving lunatic	Mar 12 12:18
msb__	Calling me "messiah" is a lying propaganda technique: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman	Mar 12 12:18
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Sosumi	nop, it is referring to your mentality	Mar 12 12:19
msb__	Giving people accurate information is not being a "messiah".	Mar 12 12:20
Sosumi	but do the people want the information you're giving them?	Mar 12 12:20
Sosumi	did they ASK for it?	Mar 12 12:20
Sosumi	that goes to the point of saying jesus died to save us from our sin	Mar 12 12:21
Sosumi	but how many did actually want to be saved?	Mar 12 12:21
Sosumi	or actually knew what salvation was?	Mar 12 12:21
Sosumi	got the point?	Mar 12 12:22
Sosumi	messiah msb__	Mar 12 12:22
msb__	Obviously you don't, Sosumi. You have no empathy, you said "<Sosumi> shiklegruber was actually a kewl guy", and you are ignorant of Bernays.	Mar 12 12:22
cubezzz	I wouldn't give a linux disc to an Amish person :)	Mar 12 12:22
Sosumi	well, or the messiah msb__ would have to save them from the evils of technology	Mar 12 12:23
Sosumi	and then he would be called the luddite messiah msb__	Mar 12 12:23
cubezzz	people are pretty ignorant though	Mar 12 12:24
msb__	Wow, I have a whole new psychopath stalker!	Mar 12 12:24
Sosumi	although he kind of fits more on the context of the unibomber messiah msb__	Mar 12 12:24
cubezzz	but there has to be some level of willingness to learn for anyone to absorb useful info	Mar 12 12:25
Sosumi	follower of the church of ted kashinski	Mar 12 12:25
cubezzz	Kaczynski was a giant social misfit	Mar 12 12:25
Sosumi	but he did make valid points	Mar 12 12:25
Sosumi	on his manifesto	Mar 12 12:25
Sosumi	and would have made a great ethicist	Mar 12 12:27
msb__	Sosumi's heroes: Hitler and Ted Kaczynski.	Mar 12 12:28
cubezzz	except he bombed computer folks	Mar 12 12:28
cubezzz	kind of a downer	Mar 12 12:28
msb__	It's nice to have an IRC client that logs everything.	Mar 12 12:29
Sosumi	nop,	Mar 12 12:29
cubezzz	at least guys like Paul Ehrlich who wrote about the ills of society managed to not bomb people	Mar 12 12:29
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cubezzz	even if he wrote "The Population Bomb"	Mar 12 12:30
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Sosumi	Sosumi's heroes, Gotfried Leibnetz, Ben Franklin, Bill Cooper, Norbert Wiener	Mar 12 12:30
Sosumi	just to name a few	Mar 12 12:30
Sosumi	Paul fits into the neo-malthusion demagogy	Mar 12 12:31
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Sosumi	along with the john p holdren	Mar 12 12:32
Sosumi	which has been proven wrong and wrong time after time	Mar 12 12:32
Sosumi	about the ideas of limits to grow	Mar 12 12:32
Sosumi	and it goes as I say	Mar 12 12:33
Sosumi	this planet and solar system wont last forever	Mar 12 12:33
Sosumi	so, spread the population throughout the solar system at first and then the universe	Mar 12 12:34
Sosumi	and it would actually create a much better pretext for a perpetual peace	Mar 12 12:34
Sosumi	instead of the club of rome ideal	Mar 12 12:35
Sosumi	of having man as the "enemy" of the environment	Mar 12 12:35
Sosumi	again, neo-malthusianism	Mar 12 12:35
Sosumi	and jokingly or not	Mar 12 12:36
Sosumi	my approach is one of the options on the iron mountain protocol	Mar 12 12:36
Sosumi	that bill cooper used to boast about	Mar 12 12:36
Sosumi	back when he was still alive	Mar 12 12:36
cubezzz	that's a fine idea except there aren't any other planets we can live on	Mar 12 12:36
Sosumi	terraform mars?	Mar 12 12:36
Sosumi	isn't there water on the moon?	Mar 12 12:37
cubezzz	no atmosphere to speak of	Mar 12 12:37
cubezzz	rather a big problem	Mar 12 12:37
Sosumi	what about sending self assembly autonomous biospeheres	Mar 12 12:37
Sosumi	there aren't any yet?	Mar 12 12:37
Sosumi	no problemo, just make them	Mar 12 12:37
Sosumi	instead of making tanks and airplanes	Mar 12 12:38
Sosumi	and waging war	Mar 12 12:38
Sosumi	and actually deplenting resources on useless crap	Mar 12 12:38
Sosumi	messiah msb__, went to talk to his earthly father for advice	Mar 12 12:39
cubezzz	sure, _if_ we had infinite energy and transmutation of element technology we could terraform Mars	Mar 12 12:39
cubezzz	and make Earth a lot better :)	Mar 12 12:40
Sosumi	well specially since such redirection	Mar 12 12:41
cubezzz	once you can change co2 into oxygen you got it made	Mar 12 12:41
Sosumi	would put to an end into finding better ways to blow ppl to bits	Mar 12 12:42
Sosumi	and would phase out the military industrial complex	Mar 12 12:42
Sosumi	in the way that they'd still get the bucks	Mar 12 12:42
Sosumi	but by doing something good	Mar 12 12:42
cubezzz	nuclear fusion tech would help a lot	Mar 12 12:42
Sosumi	yes it would	Mar 12 12:43
Sosumi	I was actually happy about hearing the news that came from the laurence livermore lab	Mar 12 12:43
Sosumi	at least it confirmed that the pursuit of fusion isn't dead yet	Mar 12 12:43
cubezzz	cold fusion turned out to be a lemon	Mar 12 12:44
Sosumi	cold fusion is only popular with the UFOol folks	Mar 12 12:47
Sosumi	those have been the ones boasting about it	Mar 12 12:47
Sosumi	as for me, I'm not saying it is impossble	Mar 12 12:47
Sosumi	*impossible	Mar 12 12:47
cubezzz	there's some talk of plants being able to transmute elements	Mar 12 12:48
Sosumi	but until further developments, grain of salt must be taken	Mar 12 12:48
Sosumi	transmute elements? like breaking them down for abortion?	Mar 12 12:49
Sosumi	*absorption	Mar 12 12:49
cubezzz	created additional selenium for example	Mar 12 12:49
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 12:49
cubezzz	http://www.cheniere.org/books/aids/ch5.htm	Mar 12 12:49
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Sosumi	that kind of biology doesn't fascinate me much	Mar 12 12:49
cubezzz	Komaki has conclusively proven that bacteria can transmute sodium into potassium	Mar 12 12:51
cubezzz	using very little energy	Mar 12 12:52
cubezzz	worth a look I'd say	Mar 12 12:52
Sosumi	I'll give it a read later	Mar 12 12:53
Sosumi	also, that is from Tom Bearden; I remember that guy	Mar 12 12:54
Sosumi	colonel I think?	Mar 12 12:54
Sosumi	who set himself in the search for Tesla's lost papers	Mar 12 12:55
Sosumi	about scalar waves	Mar 12 12:55
cubezzz	he does have a Phd I think	Mar 12 12:56
cubezzz	oh wait, maybe he doesn't :)	Mar 12 12:56
cubezzz	seems that Martin Gardner shot him down somewhat	Mar 12 12:57
cubezzz	but I've heard about the increase selenium produced by plants from other sources	Mar 12 12:57
Sosumi	he "had" one of which he bought	Mar 12 12:58
Sosumi	to some dubious organization	Mar 12 12:59
Sosumi	dr tom Bearden does sound much more fanciful to the coast to coast am type listener than just Tommy Bearden	Mar 12 13:00
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Sosumi	sebsebseb the magician	Mar 12 13:15
Sosumi	og maegeia	Mar 12 13:15
Sosumi	but I don't kind of believe into that scalar wave thing	Mar 12 13:18
Sosumi	not saying that it doesn't exist	Mar 12 13:18
Sosumi	but hum don't believe in it	Mar 12 13:19
Sosumi	https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/12/nsa-plans-infect-millions-computers-malware/	Mar 12 13:20
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Sosumi	yes the evil NSA?	Mar 12 13:20
Sosumi	or maybe the evil CIA	Mar 12 13:20
Sosumi	it's just funny how the NSA gets all the publicity while no mention to the CIA	Mar 12 13:22
Sosumi	it actually seems like someone or something is actually earning something by crippling the NSA	Mar 12 13:22
Sosumi	maybe the CIA would like to see NSA go away	Mar 12 13:23
Sosumi	https://twitter.com/fiatcurrency/status/443789453484900352	Mar 12 13:25
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MinceR	sadly, msb__ favors dictatorships so long as they call themselves "socialist" or "communist"	Mar 12 14:55
MinceR	162753 < Sosumi> I recomend to never let them fall	Mar 12 14:55
MinceR	so do i	Mar 12 14:55
Sosumi	wait	Mar 12 14:56
Sosumi	I though I had said that the balanced approach was the best approach	Mar 12 14:56
MinceR	to what?	Mar 12 14:57
Sosumi	neither extreme socialism	Mar 12 14:58
Sosumi	nos extreme anarchy	Mar 12 14:59
MinceR	ic	Mar 12 14:59
MinceR	well, i agree with that	Mar 12 14:59
cubezzz	no to anarchy certainly :)	Mar 12 14:59
Sosumi	aka degenerate liberalism/libertarianism	Mar 12 14:59
msb__	"<MinceR> sadly, msb__ favors dictatorships so long as they call themselves "socialist" or "communist"" MinceR is lying. I never said any such thing. I said I favor social democracy or democratic socialism. Never a dictatorship.	Mar 12 15:00
Sosumi	and I don't see were I wrote that "I recomend to never let them fall"	Mar 12 15:00
cubezzz	cubelog is watching you all :)	Mar 12 15:00
MinceR	yes, and dictatorships like to call themselves "socialist", "communist", "people's democratic republic", etc.	Mar 12 15:00
MinceR	i see beyond the curtain, msb__ does not.	Mar 12 15:00
Sosumi	the messiah msb__ is back after consulting with his earthly father	Mar 12 15:01
Sosumi	or was it heavenly canabis breath father	Mar 12 15:01
msb__	Great, the two lying psychopaths are attacking me together.	Mar 12 15:01
cubezzz	can't we just make derisive comments about microsoft like the olden days?	Mar 12 15:02
Sosumi	"I recommend to never let them fall" was in reference to the metallic made smartphones	Mar 12 15:03
cubezzz	j/k somewhat	Mar 12 15:03
MinceR	as usual, msb__ ornaments his authoritarianist/fascist/communist propaganda with the occasional lie and name-calling.	Mar 12 15:04
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 15:04
MinceR	Sosumi: i thought it was in reference to all smartphones regardless of metal content :>	Mar 12 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma/KDE: Progressing towards Next	Mar 12 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AU1OpaCd2k	Mar 12 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtusu	Mar 12 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Plasma/KDE: Progressing towards Next \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 15:04
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 15:04
cubezzz	I bet windows 9 will run awesome on my 486	Mar 12 15:06
Sosumi	as long as it has a math co-processor	Mar 12 15:06
Sosumi	I can't see why it wouldn't run	Mar 12 15:07
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 15:07
cubezzz	I've actually thought about making my own distro	Mar 12 15:09
Sosumi	not another gnu/linux distro	Mar 12 15:11
Sosumi	that'd be kind of a downer	Mar 12 15:11
Sosumi	instead	Mar 12 15:12
Sosumi	why not a gnu/hurd distro	Mar 12 15:12
Sosumi	or from what I've seen in the past	Mar 12 15:12
Sosumi	back in 2008	Mar 12 15:12
Sosumi	when I was still in high school	Mar 12 15:12
Sosumi	some folks were trying to create a "free version" of openvms	Mar 12 15:13
cubezzz	yeah freevms	Mar 12 15:13
cubezzz	I think it's still around	Mar 12 15:13
Sosumi	no idea	Mar 12 15:14
cubezzz	not really my thing, it's amd64 only	Mar 12 15:14
MinceR	brb, router restart :>	Mar 12 15:15
cubezzz	no my distro would be old computer friendly	Mar 12 15:16
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Sosumi	I think you're missing a lot by staying with a p3	Mar 12 15:17
Sosumi	you could be playing with evolutionary algorithms and neural nets	Mar 12 15:18
Sosumi	and doing much without being crippled by the speed of an old cpu	Mar 12 15:18
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cubezzz	well if you read my blog you'll know where I'm coming from :)	Mar 12 15:21
cubezzz	I'm not even a strong minimalist	Mar 12 15:21
Sosumi	and it is funny, considering that I once had a 866Mhz P3 and geforce 4 ti4600	Mar 12 15:21
Sosumi	and I couldn't max, say ut2003 on that	Mar 12 15:22
Sosumi	I didn't know you had a blog	Mar 12 15:22
cubezzz	yes, no one reads it :)	Mar 12 15:22
cubezzz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.com	Mar 12 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.com \| Notes on Linux		Mar 12 15:22
cubezzz	it says notes on linux but I talk about computers in general	Mar 12 15:23
Sosumi	bookmarked	Mar 12 15:23
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cubezzz	I wrote about some ideas about distros here:	Mar 12 15:30
cubezzz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/2012/05/eternal-distro.html	Mar 12 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca \| Notes on Linux: The Eternal Distro [ http://ur1.ca/gtvp8 ]		Mar 12 15:30
Sosumi	I think the idea is great, but at the same kind of comparing to running the marathon with a leg tied behind my back	Mar 12 15:43
Sosumi	given the amount of hardware that gets dumped each year	Mar 12 15:43
Sosumi	specially from the gamer croud	Mar 12 15:43
Sosumi	*crowd	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	everyone and you could always get cheap upgrades	Mar 12 15:44
Sosumi	and a p3 is ancient	Mar 12 15:45
Sosumi	specially a 500Mhz	Mar 12 15:45
Sosumi	and the thing is just not about the upgrade treadmill	Mar 12 15:47
Sosumi	but as the complexity of the software increases so does the need for faster hardware	Mar 12 15:48
Sosumi	and I'm in doubt	Mar 12 15:48
Sosumi	for things like a server, doesn't the current version of fedora run on a p3?	Mar 12 15:49
cubezzz	read Vance Packard "The Waste Makers" and you might change your mind	Mar 12 15:49
MinceR	even the complexity of the data increases :>	Mar 12 15:49
Sosumi	hardly, when I buy faster hardware is mostly because I outgrew what I had	Mar 12 15:50
cubezzz	I found newer Fedora less reliable to be honest	Mar 12 15:50
MinceR	and that of websites, unfortunately	Mar 12 15:50
cubezzz	well badly designed web designs is a poor excuse	Mar 12 15:50
cubezzz	we live in a society of waste, it's well over the top	Mar 12 15:52
Sosumi	but that waste brings progress and further advancement	Mar 12 15:52
Sosumi	what could be considered waste	Mar 12 15:53
cubezzz	ewaste, the world's full of it	Mar 12 15:54
Sosumi	is the use and trow away tech	Mar 12 15:54
Sosumi	like those prebuilt computers with no standard parts	Mar 12 15:54
cubezzz	plastics, chip fab, all need highly caustic chemicals	Mar 12 15:54
cubezzz	which end up in your soil	Mar 12 15:55
cubezzz	I'm merely suggesting cutting back on that	Mar 12 15:55
cubezzz	well I would suggest not buying bic-lighter computers :)	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	the biggest factor contributing to that is consumer tech	Mar 12 15:57
Sosumi	I don't see how it'd be possible to cut on that	Mar 12 15:58
Sosumi	ppl want crap, manufacturers give them crap	Mar 12 15:59
MinceR	manufacturers also make crap that nobody wants	Mar 12 15:59
MinceR	i.e. winblows phone phones	Mar 12 15:59
cubezzz	I don't think people really want crap, I think they just aren't thinking about it	Mar 12 15:59
Sosumi	I'm certainly not the one buying a big tv totally overblown colors	Mar 12 16:00
MinceR	people want crap so much they're willing to pay more for worse	Mar 12 16:00
MinceR	for example, for hypePhones	Mar 12 16:00
Sosumi	hypePhones, bang & ollufsen, etc	Mar 12 16:01
cubezzz	I like getting an old computer and fixing it up	Mar 12 16:01
Sosumi	fit into the model of a huge price premium just for the sake of exclusivity	Mar 12 16:01
Sosumi	and "perceived value"	Mar 12 16:02
cubezzz	"The Hidden Persauders" 1957 :)	Mar 12 16:02
cubezzz	also by Vance Packard	Mar 12 16:02
Sosumi	Bernays mentioned that on his book Propaganda, messiah complex msb__	Mar 12 16:02
cubezzz	Sun Microsystems had a lot of very interesting ideas to make computers more reliable	Mar 12 16:03
Sosumi	"had"	Mar 12 16:03
Sosumi	I'm still longing for a new sparc station or powerstation	Mar 12 16:03
cubezzz	I think Sun Oracle still sell servers	Mar 12 16:04
cubezzz	no idea what the prices are, I assume big $$$	Mar 12 16:04
Sosumi	yes, just servers	Mar 12 16:04
cubezzz	glibc is bloated too	Mar 12 16:06
cubezzz	hence the creation of dietlibc	Mar 12 16:09
cubezzz	the funny part about this is I've had this same convo 10 years ago :)	Mar 12 16:14
cubezzz	"come on, systems these days need at least 256 megs of ram"	Mar 12 16:14
cubezzz	"get rid of that crappy Pentium 1"	Mar 12 16:14
MinceR	one problem with the Eternal Distro is that at some point some packages would cease to receive security updates	Mar 12 16:15
MinceR	from upstream	Mar 12 16:15
cubezzz	2.11BSD still gets patches	Mar 12 16:19
cubezzz	but that doesn't run on actual hardware in my case	Mar 12 16:20
cubezzz	some packages in openbsd are from the 90's	Mar 12 16:22
cubezzz	some stuff gets orphaned, the creator loses interest, it happens	Mar 12 16:25
MinceR	does it update applications and libraries that are 4 or more stable major releases ahead of what it ships? :>	Mar 12 16:28
MinceR	at some point, the upstream developer's response to requests for security fixes becomes "just upgrade already, that release is 10 years old!" :>	Mar 12 16:29
MinceR	there's only so many releases they can maintain simultaneously	Mar 12 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Peppermint introduces cloud-based open source	Mar 12 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	desktop to Africa http://t.co/pqroXtp70A	Mar 12 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtxcx	Mar 12 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other	Mar 12 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	Changes http://t.co/MzrNkQPCpT	Mar 12 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtxcy	Mar 12 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Peppermint introduces cloud-based open source desktop to Africa \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 16:29
cubezzz	that's true, but I don't want my repositories to just disappear	Mar 12 16:30
cubezzz	I guess the only safe thing to do is mirror it all	Mar 12 16:30
MinceR	indeed	Mar 12 16:33
Sosumi	what about a hurd option?	Mar 12 16:38
Sosumi	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYyODE	Mar 12 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Replicant Developers Find Backdoor In Android Samsung Galaxy Devices [ http://ur1.ca/gtxhv ]		Mar 12 16:39
MinceR	well, that's just great	Mar 12 16:40
MinceR	looks like samsung took the same approach here as with the exynos 4 /dev/exynos-mem device	Mar 12 16:44
MinceR	(i.e. make a much bigger hole than necessary)	Mar 12 16:44
Sosumi	so much for the knox platform hey samsung	Mar 12 16:48
MinceR	indeed	Mar 12 16:48
MinceR	there should be high-end phones that communicate with the radio chip via serial link, not DMA	Mar 12 16:48
Sosumi	until them, 300€ netbook + 3g modem	Mar 12 16:49
Sosumi	and I actually once got asked	Mar 12 16:50
MinceR	that won't do non-voip phone calls and you can't answer calls on the street :>	Mar 12 16:50
Sosumi	if I was some kind of mafia guy for that combo	Mar 12 16:50
Sosumi	I don't people to call me	Mar 12 16:51
Sosumi	just send me an email	Mar 12 16:51
MinceR	:>	Mar 12 16:51
Sosumi	the last thing I need are the same people I have to deal with everyday also bothering me when I'm away from them	Mar 12 16:51
Sosumi	and doing pointless talk	Mar 12 16:52
Sosumi	just writing it down on email, takes less time and it makes it much easier	Mar 12 16:53
MinceR	unfortunately some of the people i keep contact with don't use email	Mar 12 16:53
Sosumi	without the need to yell at the phone because, say transit, radio, chatter and so on	Mar 12 16:53
Sosumi	voice calls are just for VIP	Mar 12 16:54
Sosumi	and are usually taken at home	Mar 12 16:54
Sosumi	http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/200575-mccain-to-lead-delegation-to-ukraine	Mar 12 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehill.com \| McCain to lead delegation to Ukraine \| TheHill [ http://ur1.ca/gtxrd ]		Mar 12 16:55
Sosumi	warnuts McCain	Mar 12 16:55
Sosumi	but the problem this time is that McCain isn't messing with the banana republic of Syria nor Iran	Mar 12 16:56
Sosumi	it is messing with the nuclear banana of russia	Mar 12 16:56
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Sosumi	https://twitter.com/ProSyriana/status/441570172948586496	Mar 12 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProSyriana: The devil machine was found and destroyed by the #Saudi religious police. #KSA #Wahhabism http://t.co/6dNbd8CwaF		Mar 12 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProSyriana: The devil machine was found and destroyed by the #Saudi religious police. #KSA #Wahhabism http://t.co/6dNbd8CwaF		Mar 12 16:58
Sosumi	meanwhile in the KSA	Mar 12 16:58
Sosumi	they're trying to exorcise a midi keyboard	Mar 12 16:58
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MinceR	:)	Mar 12 17:30
sebsebseb	MinceR: Sosumi hmm one of the main or kind of	Mar 12 17:32
sebsebseb	Mageia contributers died on Saturday	Mar 12 17:33
MinceR	:/	Mar 12 17:33
sebsebseb	yeah	Mar 12 17:33
Sosumi	real dead?	Mar 12 17:33
sebsebseb	chatted to him quite a bit over the years here and there on IRC, nearly met him inp erson to	Mar 12 17:33
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yes he has died	Mar 12 17:33
Sosumi	:(	Mar 12 17:33
Sosumi	how did he die»	Mar 12 17:36
Sosumi	?	Mar 12 17:36
sebsebseb	yeah thought I may get asked that	Mar 12 17:37
sebsebseb	Sosumi: he lost his fight aganst the lung cancer	Mar 12 17:37
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sebsebseb	he had treatment and such, but stil	Mar 12 17:37
Sosumi	lung cancer is usually terminal	Mar 12 17:38
sebsebseb	he had been rahter un well	Mar 12 17:38
Sosumi	:(	Mar 12 17:41
sebsebseb	Sosumi: however he has donated all his computer stuff to Mageia it seems	Mar 12 17:42
Sosumi	that was a honorable thing to do	Mar 12 17:44
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yeah well he had like three computers i THINK	Mar 12 17:44
sebsebseb	pluswhatever else	Mar 12 17:44
sebsebseb	and Magiea was his life at the end and very much so	Mar 12 17:44
sebsebseb	Sosumi: even when he was rather unwell he e	Mar 12 17:44
sebsebseb	he felt bad that he coudn't just contribute anymore	Mar 12 17:44
Sosumi	how old was he?	Mar 12 17:45
sebsebseb	50 something	Mar 12 17:45
Sosumi	well you know	Mar 12 17:46
Sosumi	life is short and he did use his limited time to make it count	Mar 12 17:46
sebsebseb	yeah	Mar 12 17:47
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 17:47
sebsebseb	Sosumi: also I am wondeirng what has happended to someone else	Mar 12 17:47
sebsebseb	that been chatting a lot to online	Mar 12 17:47
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she might have died as well, I really don't know	Mar 12 17:48
sebsebseb	and no way to just find out etc	Mar 12 17:48
Sosumi	also involved in mageia?	Mar 12 17:48
sebsebseb	nope	Mar 12 17:48
sebsebseb	Sosumi: just a girl I came across online (or whoever they really are)	Mar 12 17:49
sebsebseb	,but also one that woudn't do anything, but online text hmm	Mar 12 17:49
sebsebseb	well ok I saw some photos to, but that's it	Mar 12 17:49
Sosumi	online on irc?	Mar 12 17:49
sebsebseb	onine	Mar 12 17:49
sebsebseb	not IRC	Mar 12 17:49
Sosumi	have you seen if she changed the nick?	Mar 12 17:50
Sosumi	or probably just moved over onto something else	Mar 12 17:50
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she only has me on the particular chat account apparnatly to	Mar 12 17:51
sebsebseb	and won't just add to Facebook and uh	Mar 12 17:51
sebsebseb	Sosumi: so basically I just lose contact	Mar 12 17:52
sebsebseb	since she woudn't voice over Skype or so on	Mar 12 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Replicant developers find and close Samsung	Mar 12 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	Galaxy back-door http://t.co/NXG3dBLVlM	Mar 12 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gtyo9	Mar 12 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door \| Tux Machines		Mar 12 17:52
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I can't really explain stuff properly enough, but this person wow	Mar 12 17:52
Sosumi	I see	Mar 12 17:52
sebsebseb	,but then issues	Mar 12 17:53
sebsebseb	plus got in contact wht someone else, and then she tsopped chatting to me loads etc	Mar 12 17:53
sebsebseb	and uh	Mar 12 17:53
sebsebseb	Sosumi: ,but really annoyingly the communication issues	Mar 12 17:53
Sosumi	communication issues in what sense? improper language?	Mar 12 17:54
sebsebseb	Sosumi: no as in refusing to do anything more than just instant messagingin	Mar 12 17:54
sebsebseb	and occasioan emails maybe	Mar 12 17:54
sebsebseb	and not adding me onto whatever account hte other guy is on etc	Mar 12 17:54
sebsebseb	or Facebook even etc	Mar 12 17:55
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and not doing any voice thing, SKype or some other voip thing, or the phone even	Mar 12 17:55
sebsebseb	anyway it's been about four months now, and she may not be coming back this time it seems	Mar 12 17:55
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she may have got a bit upset at me in the last chat in fact as well	Mar 12 17:56
Sosumi	was she good looking?	Mar 12 17:56
Sosumi	had to ask ;)	Mar 12 17:56
sebsebseb	yeah I guess or enough	Mar 12 17:56
sebsebseb	,but it's the personality what she is like and such, that's the wow	Mar 12 17:56
sebsebseb	except for the communicaiotn issues	Mar 12 17:56
sebsebseb	and things like that	Mar 12 17:57
Sosumi	how so?	Mar 12 17:57
sebsebseb	Sosumi: eh nevermind	Mar 12 17:58
Sosumi	then I'll just my fertile imagination to draw a picture of her :P	Mar 12 17:59
Sosumi	*use	Mar 12 17:59
sebsebseb	Sosumi: oh you mean looks?	Mar 12 18:00
sebsebseb	Sosumi: uhmm she has brown hair it seems	Mar 12 18:00
Sosumi	I meant her personality	Mar 12 18:00
sebsebseb	Sosumi: she's not the averare girl	Mar 12 18:00
sebsebseb	really isn't the averaet girl	Mar 12 18:00
sebsebseb	a rare find	Mar 12 18:00
Sosumi	since that was the WoW factor	Mar 12 18:00
Sosumi	tell tell	Mar 12 18:00
sebsebseb	and I foundher onine, and then uh everything changed hmm	Mar 12 18:00
sebsebseb	after about 8 months	Mar 12 18:00
sebsebseb	shame	Mar 12 18:00
Sosumi	you still didn't explain what was WOWing about her	Mar 12 18:01
Sosumi	but it is ok :)	Mar 12 18:02
sebsebseb	Sosumi: you won't realy understandl	Mar 12 18:02
sebsebseb	Sosumi: it's just the chats we had and such	Mar 12 18:02
sebsebseb	that's the wow	Mar 12 18:02
sebsebseb	how well we got on etc	Mar 12 18:02
sebsebseb	well until most stuff changed, and changed a lot changed pretty much completly really even uh :(	Mar 12 18:02
Sosumi	you fell in love	Mar 12 18:05
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yeah basically as far as net went, but keeping reality in mind, not voiced, notmet etc, and them probably not realy feeliing the same way or not quite	Mar 12 18:06
Sosumi	:)	Mar 12 18:06
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and then she came across some guy who was more interesting than me	Mar 12 18:06
sebsebseb	online	Mar 12 18:06
sebsebseb	and yep everthing chaned	Mar 12 18:06
sebsebseb	and changed a lot	Mar 12 18:06
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and we went from chatting nearly every day	Mar 12 18:07
sebsebseb	to hardly at all	Mar 12 18:07
sebsebseb	loads of periods of lots of weeks no chat	Mar 12 18:07
sebsebseb	her not on etc	Mar 12 18:07
sebsebseb	,but now it's been the longest one, so I am wondeirng what's going on	Mar 12 18:07
sebsebseb	,because of helath issues etc	Mar 12 18:07
sebsebseb	uh	Mar 12 18:07
Sosumi	did she have health issues?	Mar 12 18:07
sebsebseb	yep	Mar 12 18:07
Sosumi	complicated?	Mar 12 18:08
sebsebseb	sure	Mar 12 18:08
sebsebseb	some pretty bad stuff by the soundsof it	Mar 12 18:08
sebsebseb	,but don't realy understnad most of it	Mar 12 18:08
sebsebseb	the medical terms etc	Mar 12 18:08
sebsebseb	Sosumi: and one time she had apendicious andn earlydied, whist away apparnatly, you see why I am a bit worried etc	Mar 12 18:09
Sosumi	I see	Mar 12 18:09
sebsebseb	and no it's not, just go find some other girl to get ot know all properly like that, it doesn't work that way	Mar 12 18:09
sebsebseb	really hard to find someone like what I found	Mar 12 18:09
Sosumi	wait then	Mar 12 18:10
Sosumi	a month or two	Mar 12 18:10
Sosumi	but then better move on	Mar 12 18:10
sebsebseb	Sosumi: no I mean got to find someone in person or online	Mar 12 18:10
sebsebseb	Sosumi: ,but	Mar 12 18:10
sebsebseb	online uh that doesn't really work usaully	Mar 12 18:10
sebsebseb	99% of the time	Mar 12 18:10
Sosumi	I've no idea	Mar 12 18:11
Sosumi	since I don't "date" online	Mar 12 18:11
sebsebseb	and in person I don't really know enough girls at the moment	Mar 12 18:11
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I don't mean a date neassirely	Mar 12 18:11
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I mean soeone to get to know, to build up a special freindship with at least	Mar 12 18:11
sebsebseb	oh and that happens to be a girl as well	Mar 12 18:11
sebsebseb	Sosumi: if I want to chat to guys online, well that's easy enough heh heh	Mar 12 18:12
sebsebseb	and yeah I mean a girl that lives nearish to me idealy as well	Mar 12 18:12
Sosumi	be patient, that is all I can say	Mar 12 18:13
sebsebseb	Sosumi: I am going afk	Mar 12 18:13
Sosumi	yeah	Mar 12 18:13
Sosumi	gn	Mar 12 18:13
sebsebseb	Sosumi: no not bed	Mar 12 18:14
sebsebseb	news	Mar 12 18:14
sebsebseb	what's left of it	Mar 12 18:14
sebsebseb	what's left of main, and then local	Mar 12 18:14
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msb__	cubezzz: Nice blog!	Mar 12 18:41
cubezzz	thanks :)	Mar 12 18:41
msb__	cubezzz: Are you a KDE3 fan?	Mar 12 18:42
cubezzz	yeah, pretty much	Mar 12 18:42
cubezzz	I use a variety of window managers	Mar 12 18:42
msb__	Me too.	Mar 12 18:42
cubezzz	gnome2, icewm, mwm, a couple of KDE 3.X's, xfce	Mar 12 18:43
msb__	I don't mess with the system much, just stay with KDE3.5 and some KDE4 apps.	Mar 12 18:44
msb__	But I've written a lot of bash scripts.	Mar 12 18:44
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/retro-mwm-desktop.png	Mar 12 18:45
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msb__	Looks like old sunview or xeroxparc.	Mar 12 18:46
msb__	No taskbar or desktop switcher?	Mar 12 18:46
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/sunview-desktop.png	Mar 12 18:46
cubezzz	:)	Mar 12 18:46
cubezzz	iconbox is a sort of taskbar	Mar 12 18:47
msb__	ok, different style 8^)	Mar 12 18:47
cubezzz	that tiny font on sunview would drive me nuts	Mar 12 18:48
cubezzz	I can run KDE 3.5 and mwm at the same time	Mar 12 18:48
msb__	I've taken to using the KDE4 magnifier app sometimes.	Mar 12 18:49
cubezzz	I'm a fairly good motif programmer :)	Mar 12 18:49
cubezzz	KDE4 was just too slow on my old computers	Mar 12 18:49
cubezzz	I use reading glasses but I hate using glasses when I'm on a computer	Mar 12 18:50
cubezzz	I'd rather just make the font bigger	Mar 12 18:50
msb__	I don't like KDE4's whole style, and you can't read the desktop names in the desktop switcher ("pager") so I dumped it.	Mar 12 18:50
msb__	Multiple desktops are vital to me.	Mar 12 18:51
cubezzz	you can run more than one window manager remember	Mar 12 18:52
msb__	Why would I need more than KDE3?	Mar 12 18:52
cubezzz	xinit mwm -- :8	Mar 12 18:53
cubezzz	well, I wanted to experiment and improve my X window system knowledge	Mar 12 18:53
cubezzz	plus mwm is motif based so... a chance to learn more about motif	Mar 12 18:54
MinceR	a chance to learn why nobody uses motif anymore :>	Mar 12 18:54
cubezzz	I use it :)	Mar 12 18:54
MinceR	"bro, do you even ewmh?"	Mar 12 18:54
msb__	Sounds nasty.	Mar 12 18:55
cubezzz	I did say I run KDE3.5 as well :)	Mar 12 18:55
MinceR	i use mwm at work, i'm not a big fan of it :>	Mar 12 18:55
MinceR	of course, it still beats windows	Mar 12 18:55
MinceR	and macos	Mar 12 18:55
msb__	One thing I want to learn is graphics programming in X. I have some starter code somewhere.	Mar 12 18:56
cubezzz	I feel I can understand mwm source better than KDE3.5 source	Mar 12 18:56
MinceR	i haven't looked at mwm source yet	Mar 12 18:57
MinceR	i've coded an application for kde3 once, though :>	Mar 12 18:57
msb__	These days I only make the effort to understand stuff when I need to. It's a big world. I was pissed when transistors came along and replaced glowing warm vacuum tubes.	Mar 12 18:58
MinceR	i'm still curious	Mar 12 18:58
msb__	And again when ICs replaced discretes so I couldn't trace inside them.	Mar 12 18:59
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msb__	I'm curious too, but I have limited time.	Mar 12 18:59
cubezzz	it's not like I run something truely ancient like xwm :)	Mar 12 19:00
msb__	Mostly I want to figure out how to help restore a conscious culture like in the 1960s.	Mar 12 19:00
MinceR	i haven't even seen xwm	Mar 12 19:00
MinceR	when i started using X, twm was already what shipped with XFree86 by default	Mar 12 19:01
MinceR	(then again, XFree86 might never had xwm, for all i know)	Mar 12 19:01
cubezzz	when was that MinceR ?	Mar 12 19:01
MinceR	around 2000, i think	Mar 12 19:01
cubezzz	yeah xwm is pretty old	Mar 12 19:02
cubezzz	that's getting into the X11R2 era, around 1988	Mar 12 19:03
cubezzz	pre-linux :)	Mar 12 19:03
MinceR	:)	Mar 12 19:03
cubezzz	so Ultrix, or ummm	Mar 12 19:05
cubezzz	4.3BSD-Tahoe I suppose	Mar 12 19:05
msb__	My favorite bash script is called "p". If you do p filename while in the directory containing a file, it loads the FQ pathname of the file into the mouse clipboard.	Mar 12 19:06
msb__	Text mode drag n drop!	Mar 12 19:06
cubezzz	well you can just hilight in konsole -> klipper	Mar 12 19:07
msb__	Copy or move any file from one xterm (konsole) to another. And with mc in the console, you don't even have to type the filename.	Mar 12 19:07
msb__	cubezzz: Won't that just get the filename, not the path from root?	Mar 12 19:08
cubezzz	I can just hilight the whole path	Mar 12 19:08
msb__	But then you have to display the whole path first?	Mar 12 19:08
cubezzz	/mnt/e/old-x11/X.V10R3/xwm/xwm.h	Mar 12 19:09
cubezzz	ta da :)	Mar 12 19:09
cubezzz	yes, locate xwm.h then hilight since I can't remember where it is	Mar 12 19:09
msb__	So you run "locate" to do that. Can take a few seconds.	Mar 12 19:10
msb__	And then you have to run the cursor from one end of that text to the other, to hilite it.	Mar 12 19:10
cubezzz	let's see your script	Mar 12 19:11
msb__	I just have to type "p %s" and then alt-enter and enter	Mar 12 19:12
msb__	in mc	Mar 12 19:12
msb__	hold on for scripts	Mar 12 19:12
msb__	http://pastebin.com/XmYyMqzE	Mar 12 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.com \| p and xsel - Pastebin.com		Mar 12 19:17
msb__	There used to be an xsel app that came with xfree86, but it's not in the present X. So I had to find another way to stuff the clipboard.	Mar 12 19:18
cubezzz	ah, I'd have to adjust that to use it	Mar 12 19:19
cubezzz	no libqt4 on that box	Mar 12 19:20
MinceR	there's a separate xsel package on debian	Mar 12 19:21
msb__	I think I maintained the same command-line syntax in my xsel script as in the original xsel program, so if that debian one still works, it should replace mine with all its qdbus jazz.	Mar 12 19:24
MinceR	:>	Mar 12 19:24
MinceR	the distro you're using might have a separate xsel package as well	Mar 12 19:24
msb__	Nope. First thing I checked.	Mar 12 19:24
msb__	I also use an "xs" script, which is simply: xsel $*	Mar 12 19:27
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msb__	Also this "eb" (edit buffer) script: http://pastebin.com/YwE3A3QN	Mar 12 19:29
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msb__	and "x2e" edbuf=~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip\n xsel >\| $edbuf	Mar 12 19:31
msb__	And "e2x" edbuf=~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip\n xsel - < $edbuf	Mar 12 19:32
msb__	With these scripts, you can -- dare I say it? -- Rule The World!	Mar 12 19:32
msb__	For example, I just scanned 4 lines from the irc client into the mouse (trackball) clipboard. Then I typed:	Mar 12 19:35
msb__	xs\| sed 's/msb/foo/'\|eb -;e2x	Mar 12 19:36
msb__	and all the occurrences of "msb" in the clipboard were changed to "foo"	Mar 12 19:36
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cubezzz	I have xclip	Mar 12 19:38
msb__	Thus hiding my identity. I fly in the night like the wind!	Mar 12 19:38
cubezzz	uptime \| xclip	Mar 12 19:38
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msb__	I'm checking for it in such of my repos that remain.	Mar 12 19:41
MinceR	gn	Mar 12 19:42
msb__	I got it!	Mar 12 19:44
cubezzz	there's xsel for openbsd, but I can't find it for vector	Mar 12 19:51
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amarsh04	http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/video/digital-rights-and-dismal-governments-senator-scott-ludlam	Mar 12 20:06
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DaemonFC	http://gawker.com/mummified-woman-dead-for-six-years-reportedly-voted-in-1541508827	Mar 13 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gawker.com \| Mummified Woman Dead for Six Years Reportedly Voted in 2010 [ http://ur1.ca/guf4n ]		Mar 13 03:50
DaemonFC	I was wondering why the bank didn't foreclose on her house sooner.	Mar 13 03:51
DaemonFC	Apparently, she had about $54,000 in her bank account when she died, so they kept making her house payment out of that until the money ran out.	Mar 13 03:52
DaemonFC	Still doesn't explain why nobody found her body for 6 years.	Mar 13 03:53
DaemonFC	You'd think the neighbors would be complaining about an overgrown lawn, or that her employer might notice that she didn't show up for work.	Mar 13 03:53
DaemonFC	A neighbor was mowing her lawn and she was laid off from Chrysler in 2008.	Mar 13 03:55
DaemonFC	Well, that explains it I guess.	Mar 13 03:55
DaemonFC	Still. Damn.	Mar 13 03:55
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DaemonFC	http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/14/03/12/2143225/replicant-os-developers-find-backdoor-in-samsung-galaxy-devices	Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.slashdot.org \| Replicant OS Developers Find Backdoor In Samsung Galaxy Devices - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/gufd6 ]		Mar 13 04:22
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444019204476641280 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444019536908808192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444019909983756289 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444020169325957121 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444020436859633664	Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: City of staples http://t.co/jl7l4eXecA		Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: NSA's TURBINE robot pumps 'malware into MILLIONS of PCs' http://t.co/fR4max7ue8 send #nsa to jail yet? Nope.		Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| NSA's TURBINE robot pumps 'malware into MILLIONS of PCs' • The Register		Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #nsa is still hiring criminals in order for criminals to serve the state http://t.co/qcWqVEPs3R so much for moral high ground...		Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.reuters.com \| NSA 'hijacked' criminal botnets to install spyware \| Reuters		Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: European Parliament wants an end to NSA PRISM data haul http://t.co/0uC2c32qtE #nsa #prism #espionage #eu		Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| European Parliament wants an end to NSA PRISM data haul- The Inquirer		Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: MEPs want co-operation with the US to be suspended http://t.co/n9PQA7elXC http://t.co/EaFfjNrZeh #nsa		Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.europeanvoice.com \| MEPs want co-operation with the US to be suspended \| European Voice		Mar 13 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerweekly.com \| MEPs call for immediate halt to NSA surveillance		Mar 13 04:22
DaemonFC	https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor	Mar 13 04:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gtxwi ]		Mar 13 04:23
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444026068086038528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444026183211294721 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444026825921298432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444027030284537856	Mar 13 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google do no evil, just doing what #nsa asks ("following orders") http://t.co/G3dJ6M9YZp http://t.co/zz4rEJMlKS		Mar 13 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.marketoracle.co.uk \| Google, China, The Nsa And The Fourth Turning :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free Website		Mar 13 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theburningplatform.com \| DO NO EVIL GOOGLE – CENSOR & SNITCH FOR THE STATE « The Burning Platform		Mar 13 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ubuntu 14.04 gets new lock screen and borderless windows http://t.co/fhtipQqbQg #ubuntu #gnu #linux		Mar 13 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com \| Ubuntu 14.04 gets new lock screen and borderless windows \| Muktware		Mar 13 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Tim B-L foresaw the Web as a platform of collaboration; #nsa views it as a battleground. No wonder the NSA headed by military people.		Mar 13 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Self-hosting now makes more sense http://t.co/gueI68PSDK I advise clients to always self-host where possible, now easier to reason		Mar 13 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net \| How the NSA plans to automatically infect "millions" of computers with spyware - Boing Boing		Mar 13 04:38
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444028209047556096 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444028691115692032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444029021052223488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444029456924282880	Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is #facebook #nsa ? Well, yes, in a way, sometimes. http://t.co/mXeekeI990 http://t.co/mV4dYzaMSD		Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.wsj.com \| Documents Say NSA Pretends to Be Facebook in Surveillance - Digits - WSJ		Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> venturebeat.com \| The NSA reportedly poses as Facebook to spread malware \| VentureBeat \| Security \| by Harrison Weber		Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Lawmakers fail to ask NSA chief about agency's malware plans http://t.co/9Mk005eRIo #law and #nsa are antithetical		Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworlduk.com \| Lawmakers fail to ask NSA chief about agency's malware plans - ComputerworldUK.com		Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #nsa was a nation, the US would have nuked it http://t.co/33dQk1YZRh		Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.networkworld.com \| U.S. cyber counterattack: Bomb 'em one way or the other		Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Leading House Lawmaker Wants NSA Phone-Data Collection to End http://t.co/MLIgOOxITe http://t.co/UuJh40gU1R http://t.co/9P9ZhyReqW		Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> online.wsj.com \| Leading House Lawmaker Wants NSA Phone-Data Collection to End - WSJ.com		Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.baltimoresun.com \| Ruppersberger calls for an end to NSA's phone data collection - baltimoresun.com		Mar 13 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.concordmonitor.com \| Key lawmaker favors ending NSA data sweeps \| Concord Monitor		Mar 13 04:39
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schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444030138502897664 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444030610223673344 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444031110436384768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444032096173326336	Mar 13 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #facebook is harnessed by the #nsa versus "targets", then why are UK recruitment firms treating no FB account (i.e. not "target") as bad?		Mar 13 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Survey: Linux demand, salaries on the rise http://t.co/iU8PJVJklE #gnu #linux is hot in the jobs market -- many can attest to it		Mar 13 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com \| Survey: Linux demand, salaries on the rise \| ITworld		Mar 13 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CASE STUDY: Kiwi fruit distributor freshens up with Linux http://t.co/S6sdjZQhXG #gnu #linux #nz		Mar 13 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworld.co.nz \| CASE STUDY: Kiwi fruit distributor freshens up with Linux - T&G, database, DB2, IBM, Windows, DB, Suse linux enterprise server, enterprise IT, Oracle, BayWa, turners and growers, windows server, Sue Linux, SAP, Data Centre, Case Study - Computerworld New Zealand		Mar 13 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The ultimate guide to migrating an entire office from #Windows to #GNU #Linux http://t.co/JMjcnH0PMf seen it done, not too hard		Mar 13 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itproportal.com \| The ultimate guide to migrating an entire office from Windows to Linux \| ITProPortal.com		Mar 13 05:27
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444033525994749952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034176703283200 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034486557474817 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034745593511936	Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The press has new word for non-targets killed in #drone #assassinations and that word is "bodyguard", better than "human shield"		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 8 Questions the World Faces as Lethal Drones Proliferate http://t.co/I3iDy78d57 http://t.co/PCBLZLp7Bd #drones		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com \| 8 Questions the World Faces as Lethal Drones Proliferate - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> reason.com \| U.N. Report on Drone Strikes Calls for Clearer Global Norms and More Accountability - Hit & Run : Reason.com		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The burden of proof is very heavy if you assassinate people half a globe away using the claims of "self-defense". #occupation #assassination		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'We cannot "kill" terrorism with a drone.' http://t.co/LjcmrTgNlT		Mar 13 05:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #CIA Is Not a Fourth Branch of Government http://t.co/42a35YmUV0 it acts like a government of its own		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com \| The CIA Is Not a Fourth Branch of Government \| Joseph A. Palermo		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Yemeni boy... demonstrating how he ducked in his school as soon as he heard the sound of a plane." http://t.co/J7IHcOcJ7c		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.scoop.co.nz \| Fear is fear, no matter where you are from \| Scoop News		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Obama and his media pals are hypocrites on Putin." http://t.co/iGl7SZwc0Z		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.valleyadvocate.com \| The Valley Advocate: News - Between the Lines		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Yesterday there was another set of #drone assassinations in #yemen killing "suspects" (meaning not much) http://t.co/qQlxXytS21		Mar 13 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.oneindia.in \| US drone kills three Al Qaeda suspects in Yemen - News Oneindia		Mar 13 05:29
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444036823510433792 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037105963266048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037290273562624	Mar 13 05:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How can secret drones campaign really make us safer? http://t.co/hl8K1CSlCL published widely http://t.co/iQpwqOkdGB		Mar 13 05:30
schestowitz_log	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037105963266048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037290273562624	Mar 13 05:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/opinion/drones-campaign-clare-algar-reprieve/m )		Mar 13 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.kesq.com \| How can secret drones really make us safer? \| News - Home		Mar 13 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: At #nytimes (mostly #pentagon relay) the question is, WHO does the #assassination not WHETHER http://t.co/TsTWIYkyNI		Mar 13 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times		Mar 13 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #nytimes has been responsible for demonising many victims of #drones (even US citizens) after they're killed, can't present their side		Mar 13 05:32
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schestowitz__	http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855	Mar 13 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Venezuela: Regime Change, Destabilization and the Hidden Hands of U.S. Capitalism \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqssp ]		Mar 13 06:25
schestowitz__	MinceR: one wonders if sanctions make a a self-fulfilling prophecy	Mar 13 06:29
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747313	Mar 13 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Drones that electrocute people http://austinist.com/2014/03/10/watch_an_intern_get_shocked_by_a_st.php like thugs (police) but with 0 sympathy		Mar 13 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> austinist.com \| Watch An Intern Get Shocked By A 'Stun Copter' Drone At a SXSW Demo: Austinist [ http://ur1.ca/guga5 ]		Mar 13 06:35
schestowitz__	"One step closer to a "Cop's eye" but it won't be used for anything good. Maybe it's more like the Star Wars torture drone."	Mar 13 06:35
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747207	Mar 13 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Assuming #snowden has ~100,000 documents (encrypted, #pentagon says 2 million), sure thing is, after Pierre took over not many revelations		Mar 13 06:35
schestowitz__	"Is that so? I've been enjoying The Intercept."	Mar 13 06:35
schestowitz__	Last night they resumed making big news, so let's wait and see...	Mar 13 06:36
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor confirming stuff that many fear. #android #backdoor		Mar 13 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gty26 ]		Mar 13 06:45
schestowitz__	"s, I have to root my device....soon! Is this enough? Is it safe to install something like CyanogenMod instead? Or is therre no escape?"	Mar 13 06:45
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 06:45
schestowitz__	@Cheery Littlebottom, I wonder how it works.	Mar 13 06:45
schestowitz__	Maybe you can reformat rootfs to different FS…	Mar 13 06:45
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 06:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755777	Mar 13 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Yesterday there was another set of #drone assassinations in #yemen killing "suspects" (meaning not much) http://news.oneindia.in/international/us-drone-kills-three-al-qaeda-suspects-in-yemen-1411362.html		Mar 13 06:45
schestowitz__	"Arbitrary killing, mankind is in good hands."	Mar 13 06:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3750956	Mar 13 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pleased to say that RMS has been reading #techrights for many years. He is happy that he now has #diaspora presence https://joindiaspora.com/people/048b2a2fbd610b16		Mar 13 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com \| Diaspora* / Sign in [ http://ur1.ca/4c80w ]		Mar 13 06:46
schestowitz__	"So wait, is he actually using D, or is this just a bot that scrapes his posts and puts them up on our network? :) If he were really using Diaspora, that would be awesome! I seem to remember there was an Emacs extension that could hook into D..."	Mar 13 06:46
schestowitz__	"It's a bot that scrapes his political notes. <blockquote>Bio Unofficial profile of Richard Stallman for reposting his posts to Diaspora http://stallman.org/</blockquote>"	Mar 13 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://stallman.org/</blockquote )		Mar 13 06:47
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3751124	Mar 13 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Reporters Without Borders says #india about as bad as #gchq and #nsa when it comes to mass #surveillance http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indias-centre-for-development-of-telematics-worst-online-spies-reporters-without-borders/1/347920.html		Mar 13 06:47
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> indiatoday.intoday.in \| Forget NSA, India's Centre for Development of Telematics is one of top 3 worst online spies : India, News - India Today [ http://ur1.ca/gugd1 ]		Mar 13 06:47
schestowitz__	I know that first-hand, you cannot go to an Internet coffee shop or buy an Internet dongle without an Indian ID. And in almost every important building like malls, government offices or big companies, there are metal detectors.	Mar 13 06:47
schestowitz__	But at least they have good reasons to do that: foreign and local terrorist incidents, two countries that are not so good neighbors, and all despite they don't invade countries just for fun as the US.	Mar 13 06:47
schestowitz__	Hope this does not last so much.	Mar 13 06:47
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 06:47
schestowitz__	Metal detectors I can understand, but why mass surveillance?	Mar 13 06:48
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3748009	Mar 13 06:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Blatant lie (marketing) from #google : "any information inside Google is safe from the government's prying eyes" http://www.campaignindia.in/Article/374775,sxsw14-eric-schmidt-on-julian-assange-gchq-russian-internet-censorship-and-robots.aspx		Mar 13 06:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.campaignindia.in \| SXSW14: Eric Schmidt on Julian Assange, GCHQ, Russian internet censorship and robots - News - Digital - Campaign India [ http://ur1.ca/gthzl ]		Mar 13 06:52
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 06:53
schestowitz__	That's not funny, it's evil. A false sense of security can be worse than no privacy at all. We know that the NSA has boxes in Google that Google uses to cooperate and we know that the NSA also made successful frontal assaults on users. Both mean that people have no privacy in Google, but the worse of the two is the U SAP AT RIOT ACT that demands Google cooperate and lie about it. Schmidt should rather step down than cooperate but	Mar 13 06:53
schestowitz__	there's more bad attitude in the article.	Mar 13 06:53
schestowitz__	Both [Jared and I] felt that who gets to decide what information is public is a pretty fundamental issue in a democracy, and our general view is that we don't want random people leaking large amounts of data. We don't want random people leaking large amounts of health records or tax records - I don't think that serves society. It's better to have other mechanisms for whistleblowers that don't involve the data permanence problem;	Mar 13 06:53
schestowitz__	because the information, once disclosed, is there forever and can be used against people.	Mar 13 06:53
schestowitz__	That's really wrong and unless it's out of context it is a very evil twist on what whistle blowers and Wikileaks or Snowden in particular are doing. Neither simply dump private information, the organizations are set up to carefully expose public crime. This article makes it look like there's a conflict between Schmidt, and Wikileaks or Snowden, but it might be that they were all in agreement and this is selective quoting.	Mar 13 06:53
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 06:53
schestowitz__	Wikileaks has a conflict with Schmidt and his buddy Jared:	Mar 13 06:54
schestowitz__	http://thestringer.com.au/google-and-the-nsa-whos-holding-the-shit-bag-now/	Mar 13 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thestringer.com.au \| Google and the NSA: Who’s holding the ‘shit-bag’ now? \| The Stringer [ http://ur1.ca/gugef ]		Mar 13 06:54
schestowitz__	Read it. This is illuminating.	Mar 13 06:54
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3751189	Mar 13 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "CIA hacked Senate PCs to delete #torture reports." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/11/senator_feinstein_outraged_that_cia_hacked_her_computers_for_torture_evidence/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/11/senator_feinstein_outraged_that_cia_hacked_her_computers_for_torture_evidence/		Mar 13 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| CIA hacked Senate PCs to delete torture reports. And Senator Feinstein is outraged • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/guger ]		Mar 13 06:55
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 06:56
schestowitz__	I like <a href="http://stallman.org/archives/2014-jan-apr.html#12March2014(CIAunderminedconstitutionbysearchingsenate_computers)">RMS's take</a>, to welcome the change and help. <blockquote>Rather than condemning her for "self-contradiction" or "hypocrisy", we should invite her to change her previous views.</blockquote>	Mar 13 06:56
schestowitz__	Maybe, unlike Merkel, the change is real and will be long lasting. If we reward her for it and make her feel welcome and heroic, we can increase the chances of it being so. In any case, we should thank her for saying some of the right things.	Mar 13 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org \| 2014: January - April Political Notes - Richard Stallman [ http://ur1.ca/guget ]		Mar 13 06:56
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 06:56
MinceR	schestowitz__: pretty much the same thing happened even where weren't sanctions. also, they could at least provide fuel to their own citizens, but they don't, afaik	Mar 13 06:56
schestowitz__	maybe	Mar 13 06:56
schestowitz__	but there were coup attempts	Mar 13 06:56
schestowitz__	and still, I heard they had enjoyed healthcare	Mar 13 06:56
schestowitz__	much of the bad publiciuty may be slanted because I mostly see it in US media	Mar 13 06:57
schestowitz__	so far	Mar 13 06:57
schestowitz__	TBH, i don't even think it has much to do with political systems	Mar 13 06:57
schestowitz__	it's abotu whose interests are served	Mar 13 06:57
schestowitz__	as stories of banana republics serve to show	Mar 13 06:58
schestowitz__	so to frame it as socialism vs capitalism rather than independent from US empire vs client nation would be serving the propaganda	Mar 13 06:58
MinceR	extreme authoritarian systems tend to be the same regardless of whether they frame themselves as communist/socialist or capitalist or whatever	Mar 13 06:59
schestowitz__	is capitalism orthogonal to authority	Mar 13 07:00
schestowitz__	Remember that capitalism and democracy are not the same	Mar 13 07:00
schestowitz__	India and Sweden may be examples of that	Mar 13 07:00
schestowitz__	here in the UK there's lots of stuff I can't legally do	Mar 13 07:00
MinceR	the word capitalism is used to refer multiple conflicting things	Mar 13 07:01
schestowitz__	socialism, AFAIK, is also about distribution of means	Mar 13 07:01
schestowitz__	you can have it managed 'softly'	Mar 13 07:01
schestowitz__	liberally	Mar 13 07:01
schestowitz__	Russia has huge economic disparity	Mar 13 07:02
MinceR	afaik socialism is also what communists rebranded themselves to after they realized people didn't want it	Mar 13 07:02
schestowitz__	AND it's authoritarian	Mar 13 07:02
MinceR	kadar renamed his party like that, for example	Mar 13 07:02
MinceR	notice the parallel to m$'s search engine and instant messenger :>	Mar 13 07:02
schestowitz__	heh	Mar 13 07:02
schestowitz__	they call it what now?	Mar 13 07:03
schestowitz__	Last I read, they planned to collapse IM into Skype	Mar 13 07:03
MinceR	they did	Mar 13 07:03
schestowitz__	And Live is going extinct as a brand	Mar 13 07:03
MinceR	maybe it's still available for suxbox users	Mar 13 07:03
schestowitz__	They use the "Office" and "Bing" brands now	Mar 13 07:03
MinceR	i can't even follow all the things they called "live"	Mar 13 07:03
schestowitz__	neither can they	Mar 13 07:03
schestowitz__	I hardly follow MS news these days	Mar 13 07:03
schestowitz__	unlesss someone brings that to me	Mar 13 07:03
Sosumi	don't worry about it	Mar 13 07:23
Sosumi	with m$ now	Mar 13 07:23
Sosumi	it's just more of the same	Mar 13 07:23
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444073527474667520	Mar 13 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Samsung Galaxy Back Door, #NSA Malware, Congressional Backlash, More #Drone Strikes, and #Ukraine Intervention http://t.co/cfEzvFglMB		Mar 13 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Samsung Galaxy Back Door, NSA Malware, Congressional Backlash, More Drone Strikes, and Ukraine Intervention \| Techrights		Mar 13 07:35
schestowitz__	> Those overlap with the backdoors in the second processor I've linked to	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	> before. I'm also starting to wonder if any FOSS on the mobiles is	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	> pointless until the second processor and its OS get addressed. It's	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	> been ignored but clearly that's where the real covert access and	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	> surveillance happens. Replicant is a great idea and necessary for the	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	> visible processor, but it looks like it is just as important to get that	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	> hidden second processor covered by FOSS. I'm sure that if such a	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	> project were to turn up it would be a heck of a fight to get it actually	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	> certified. Certification is apparently why that backdoored system gets	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	> taken as is, there's nothing else.	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	The latest find may suggest that not only the second OS is the issue. I need to look at the technical details..	Mar 13 07:37
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444075039307358209	Mar 13 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Cecond OS in phones (which facilitates back doors, turning mobiles to listening devices) shows that mixing FOSS with blobs never good enough		Mar 13 07:45
schestowitz__	*Second	Mar 13 07:45
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444079933900734464	Mar 13 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Links 13/3/2014: Games http://t.co/nGhFj6j1Vy Applications http://t.co/zYN29xIG3i Instructionals http://t.co/N8uQg83tTY #techrights		Mar 13 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Links 13/3/2014: Games \| Techrights		Mar 13 07:58
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor confirming stuff that many fear. #android #backdoor		Mar 13 08:00
schestowitz__	"@XRevan86 that´s Nerdtalk sweety :-) What??? :-D"	Mar 13 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gty26 ]		Mar 13 08:00
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/444077999345139712	Mar 13 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@markhughes: MT @schestowitz #Samsung OS in phone w #backdoor, turning mobiles to #surveillance devices shows mixing #FOSS with blobs never good enough		Mar 13 08:01
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 08:10
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 08:10
schestowitz__	I mean that I didn't find explanation of how this backdoor works in an article so I can't say what you have to do to prevent it %).	Mar 13 08:10
schestowitz__	If radiomodule has a FS driver for a backdoor then you can change a FS in order to prevent it working. Like if it works with ext4 then use f2fs and vice versa.	Mar 13 08:10
schestowitz__	If it uses blobs in OS in order to communicate with OS then… well, Replicant would not need to do anything to close a backdoor because they don't use blobs at all.	Mar 13 08:10
schestowitz__	Also about f2fs: support of f2fs included in Linux 3.8+. But I don't know any other ways to reformat except from recovery (CWM, TWRP) and they doesn't seem to have f2fs support %).	Mar 13 08:10
schestowitz__	I mean that I didn't find explanation of how this backdoor works in an article so I can't say what you have to do to prevent it %).	Mar 13 08:10
schestowitz__	If radiomodule has a FS driver for a backdoor then you can change a FS in order to prevent it working. Like if it works with ext4 then use f2fs and vice versa.	Mar 13 08:10
schestowitz__	If it uses blobs in OS in order to communicate with OS then… well, Replicant would not need to do anything to close a backdoor because they don't use blobs at all.	Mar 13 08:10
schestowitz__	Also about f2fs: support of f2fs included in Linux 3.8+. But I don't know any other ways to reformat except from recovery (CWM, TWRP) and they doesn't seem to have f2fs support %).	Mar 13 08:10
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 08:10
MinceR	you could just block those calls like the replicant guys' patch does	Mar 13 08:11
MinceR	and see what breaks :>	Mar 13 08:11
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Lemtzas/status/444111764313997312	Mar 13 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lemtzas: @schestowitz I CAN FEEL THE FREEDOM FROM HERE		Mar 13 11:35
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/RezwanRazani/status/444111664821309440	Mar 13 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RezwanRazani: @schestowitz Have you read Jaron Lanier's "Who Owns The Future"? sounds like the same topic. I got it at the Library. Will purchase soon.		Mar 13 11:35
schestowitz__	I don't like Lanier	Mar 13 11:35
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526	Mar 13 11:39
schestowitz__	"@Cheery Littlebottom, I wrote a lot in my bad English, sorry :-D."	Mar 13 11:39
schestowitz__	"Veery good English :-) whish I had written like this in your age! I found this, but don´t understand :-D http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/SamsungGalaxyBackdoor #Replicant is an alternative Android https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor so I assumed my CyanogenMod device is safe :-)"	Mar 13 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-redmine.replicant.us \| SamsungGalaxyBackdoor - Replicant [ http://ur1.ca/gueio ]		Mar 13 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org \| Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gtxwi ]		Mar 13 11:39
schestowitz__	"it runs as root - if I am root there can´t be another???? Still rooting my device soon because this backdoor was in one of the apps you can´t deinstall - except you are root :-)"	Mar 13 11:40
schestowitz__	" Thank you for a link, now I see that suggestion about changing FS is totally useless %). New suggestion: either install Replicant, either install replacements for blobs from Replicant into OmniROM, CyanogenMod or else. And no, your CyanogenMod is not safe because CyanogenMod uses blobs a lot. Including affected one."	Mar 13 11:41
schestowitz__	"thanx!!!!"	Mar 13 11:41
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/RezwanRazani/status/444152836814032896	Mar 13 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RezwanRazani: @schestowitz Yes, I looked at it. Read the @AlinaSimone piece. It's not adequate. It's begging for change. http://t.co/sWtkQj8qKZ		Mar 13 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fusionenergyleague.org \| Begging for Change: The Dollars and Sense of Making Nonprofits Responsive, Efficient, and Rewarding		Mar 13 12:50
Sosumi	http://lgbtweekly.com/2013/03/20/leading-ukraine-opposition-figure-surprises-supporters-by-denouncing-gay-marriage/	Mar 13 13:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lgbtweekly.com \| Leading Ukraine Opposition figure surprises supporters by denouncing gay marriage \| LGBT Weekly [ http://ur1.ca/guiiw ]		Mar 13 13:28
Sosumi	Yatsenyuk doesn't like gay ppl	Mar 13 13:32
Sosumi	meanwhile in the land of the rising sun	Mar 13 13:32
Sosumi	6,3 earthquake near kyuchu	Mar 13 13:33
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Mar 13 13:33
DaemonFC	4 seconds ago	Mar 13 13:33
DaemonFC	http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20140102/big-cigarette-tax-hikes-might-prevent-200-million-deaths-in-a-century	Mar 13 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webmd.com \| Big Cigarette Tax Hikes Might Prevent 200 Million Deaths in a Century – WebMD [ http://ur1.ca/guijw ]		Mar 13 13:33
DaemonFC	It has been well documented that major tax increases are the biggest deterrent to smoking.	Mar 13 13:33
DaemonFC	In the United States, I believe that Congress should raise the tax until you can't go to a state in the country where the price of a pack is under $8.	Mar 13 13:33
DaemonFC	They should also pass legislation that reverses the Supreme Court's decision that said that Congress can't force tobacco companies to use plain packaging and graphic warnings. Making it illegal to use the current pack designs might be "unconstitutional", but making a law that says that there's an additional $10 tax per pack that does not meet the plain package and graphic warning requirements set by the FDA would be legal under Congress's power	Mar 13 13:33
DaemonFC	to tax, which was most recently affirmed by the Supreme Court in their NFIB v. Sebelius ruling, which upheld the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.	Mar 13 13:33
Sosumi	fukushima and other closed down installations still standing	Mar 13 13:34
Sosumi	even if they aren't :)	Mar 13 13:34
Sosumi	smoke glue instead	Mar 13 13:35
Sosumi	or snort gas	Mar 13 13:35
Sosumi	much cheaper	Mar 13 13:35
Sosumi	and you get to die in the same fashion	Mar 13 13:35
Sosumi	no! smoke gas	Mar 13 13:35
Sosumi	but sorry, I just don't see what is the enthusiasm in smelling bad and holding a mini torch	Mar 13 13:37
Sosumi	http://www.voanews.com/content/merkel-russia-risks-massive-damage-in-ukraine-crisis/1870218.html	Mar 13 13:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com \| Kerry: US, Europe Will Respond if Crimea Referendum Passes [ http://ur1.ca/guikx ]		Mar 13 13:39
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444164443128496128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444163156483780608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444161879183990785 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444161609238609920	Mar 13 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #RedHat kicks out sponsor, then relents http://t.co/FIJRYfqI6e "got itself into Red Hat's bad books by competing against it"		Mar 13 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itwire.com \| Red Hat kicks out sponsor, then relents		Mar 13 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How times have changed for #PostgreSQL http://t.co/w4L6EuDwle #postgres I have worked with a lot recently		Mar 13 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com \| PostgreSQL education and adoption has changed for the better \| opensource.com		Mar 13 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: R.I.P FREE SPEECH: Protesters can now be charged $750 or 2 years gaol for attending protests in Victoria http://t.co/Y9phpGbiGS #au		Mar 13 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> talkingpoints.com.au \| R.I.P FREE SPEECH: Protesters can now be charged $750 or 2 years gaol for attending protests in Victoria		Mar 13 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Playing with pebbles of democracy https://t.co/2hHTKAG4IM		Mar 13 13:40
Sosumi	europe's answer = preparing for winters without heating	Mar 13 13:40
DaemonFC	Sosumi: American cigarettes are among the most dangerous in the world, with maybe an exception for the ones that are certified organic.	Mar 13 13:40
schestowitz__	DaemonFC: good news re cigs	Mar 13 13:40
DaemonFC	Those aren't good for you either, but they're not "as bad".	Mar 13 13:41
schestowitz__	bernays and other idiots killed my grandma	Mar 13 13:41
schestowitz__	brainwashing women into smoking	Mar 13 13:41
Sosumi	USA's answer = leave afeghanistan without their equipment because they wont be using the russian corridor to ship everything back	Mar 13 13:41
schestowitz__	lol	Mar 13 13:41
DaemonFC	schestowitz__: Well, it appeals to them because you do tend to keep weight off when you smoke, but it's not worth the trade.	Mar 13 13:41
schestowitz__	eventually all the flesh is gone	Mar 13 13:42
DaemonFC	So you're 10 pounds lighter and you're destroying your body with cigarettes.	Mar 13 13:42
schestowitz__	and you're just calcium	Mar 13 13:42
DaemonFC	Much worse to smoke than to be 10 pounds heavier.	Mar 13 13:42
schestowitz__	but it may be good for pensions companies	Mar 13 13:42
schestowitz__	which is a business many financial 'firms' are in	Mar 13 13:42
schestowitz__	konock a tax from people's wages and never give returns	Mar 13 13:43
DaemonFC	I'll tell you how to lose 20 pounds in a year.	Mar 13 13:43
DaemonFC	Cut out two cans of soda per day.	Mar 13 13:43
schestowitz__	yeah, that's one	Mar 13 13:43
schestowitz__	we gained wweight here and now compete to lose it	Mar 13 13:44
schestowitz__	around 4 KG each	Mar 13 13:44
schestowitz__	one way is, low fat milk	Mar 13 13:44
schestowitz__	no ddesserts almost	Mar 13 13:44
schestowitz__	no added oil, more fruit	Mar 13 13:44
schestowitz__	no peanuts and other famous fattening foods	Mar 13 13:44
schestowitz__	more exercise and even 6 classes of yoga! in the heat, like a sauna	Mar 13 13:44
schestowitz__	played vollyball today in the sun for two hours	Mar 13 13:45
MinceR	182849 < Sosumi> http://lgbtweekly.com/2013/03/20/leading-ukraine-opposition-figure-surprises-supporters-by-denouncing-gay-marriage/	Mar 13 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lgbtweekly.com \| Leading Ukraine Opposition figure surprises supporters by denouncing gay marriage \| LGBT Weekly [ http://ur1.ca/guiiw ]		Mar 13 13:47
MinceR	as expected from a member of an EPP observer member party	Mar 13 13:47
Sosumi	EPP?	Mar 13 13:48
MinceR	european people's party	Mar 13 13:48
MinceR	the same organization fidesz and kdnp are members of	Mar 13 13:48
MinceR	and where most of the european governments belong currently	Mar 13 13:48
MinceR	perhaps it's time for europeans to come to their fucking senses and stop supporting these fundamentalist parties	Mar 13 13:49
Sosumi	ho the PSD group	Mar 13 13:49
MinceR	psd group?	Mar 13 13:49
Sosumi	yes, the group to which the current coalition government here in portugal belongs to	Mar 13 13:51
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112	Mar 13 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?		Mar 13 13:51
Sosumi	*p00rtugal	Mar 13 13:51
schestowitz__	"Who do you serve, and who do you trust?"	Mar 13 13:52
Sosumi	RT at moment needs house clearing	Mar 13 13:52
schestowitz__	I serve free, just society, and I trust almost none of the corporate (private, for power/profit) press	Mar 13 13:52
Sosumi	and stop serving as the feed for the libertarian demagogues	Mar 13 13:53
MinceR	ah, the portuguese EPP member party	Mar 13 13:53
cubezzz	MinceR, so has Hungary switched more to linux now?	Mar 13 13:56
MinceR	i don't know	Mar 13 13:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz__: Yeah, my first job was a union job.	Mar 13 13:56
MinceR	from what i see, the country is still a wretched hive of m$ cultism	Mar 13 13:56
DaemonFC	They got us decent pay and good health insurance. Short and Long Term Disability insurance. Good dental insurance.	Mar 13 13:57
MinceR	people clinging to their unusable crap with 10 fingers	Mar 13 13:57
DaemonFC	The union had what was basically a backdoor dues system.	Mar 13 13:57
MinceR	they seem to love their crappy vista7 and their craptastic exchange and outlook	Mar 13 13:57
DaemonFC	They had a "pension plan" where the company would contribute like 50 cents per hour worked, but you had to work there 7 years or else you didn't qualify to get any of your pension back.	Mar 13 13:58
MinceR	the government are a bunch of crApple cultists	Mar 13 13:58
DaemonFC	So the union just made off with all the pension money I earned during the two years I was there.	Mar 13 13:58
cubezzz	some Hungarian teachers made SuliX and also Frugalware is Hugarian	Mar 13 13:58
MinceR	yeah, there's a bit of resistance	Mar 13 13:58
MinceR	on the other hand, mobile and Android are taking over here too, it seems	Mar 13 14:00
MinceR	so maybe m$ will end up losing due to the PC being marginalized here as well	Mar 13 14:00
cubezzz	things are changing, as they always do	Mar 13 14:00
cubezzz	you mentioned you used mwm at work, what OS is that running on?	Mar 13 14:02
MinceR	a fork of SLED	Mar 13 14:03
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/terminsane/status/444171581204353024	Mar 13 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@terminsane: @schestowitz yeh, its part of the NAU deal. Canadian politicians are being bought by US govt to give up canadian sovereignty		Mar 13 14:03
MinceR	well, if it deserves to be called a fork	Mar 13 14:03
cubezzz	I wonder why they picked mwm	Mar 13 14:13
MinceR	probably because that system is ancient and mwm was modern when they started developing it :>	Mar 13 14:16
Sosumi	canada is part of the commonwealth	Mar 13 14:17
MinceR	i wonder if the monarch abuses her privileges there like in the uk	Mar 13 14:17
Sosumi	for that to happen, the british crown would have to give up sovereignty on canada	Mar 13 14:17
cubezzz	MinceR, I found that mwm does run faster than KDE 3.5	Mar 13 14:18
MinceR	i'm pretty sure canadians could declare independence if they wanted to	Mar 13 14:18
cubezzz	uses less memory too	Mar 13 14:18
MinceR	fvwm uses even less memory, afaik :>	Mar 13 14:19
cubezzz	lol, I remember one guy who wouldn't even run X	Mar 13 14:19
MinceR	i remember hearing about such guys here, around 2000	Mar 13 14:20
MinceR	(as in the year, not the number of guys)	Mar 13 14:20
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 13 14:23
DaemonFC	Unlike Laz, I am fair and impartial. When a company has been behaving badly, I don't try to sweep it all under the rug.	Mar 13 14:23
DaemonFC	In this case, it's a Samsung specific issue. If anyone can prove that my LG G2 has been similarly booby trapped, then I'll gladly eat some humble pie.	Mar 13 14:23
DaemonFC	The most disturbing part of this is that Samsung devices are all Google certified, so either Google knew of this backdoor in the proprietary libsamsung-ipc, and approved it anyway, or they overlooked it during the certification process.	Mar 13 14:23
DaemonFC	The problem with Android is that the version you get on actual devices always relies on some proprietary software. The thing that makes Apple worse is that iOS is almost completely proprietary and it is certainly not possible for anyone to ever release a corrected version of it without the spyware and backdoors.	Mar 13 14:23
DaemonFC	The beauty of Freedom respecting software is that if someone makes a version that does something nasty, someone else can come along and fix it, and that's exactly what Replicant's developers did in this case. They saw what libsamsung-ipc did, and replaced it with a fully Free library that stands in for it without the booby trap that Samsung put in theirs.	Mar 13 14:23
DaemonFC	On the whole, Android is a better choice than iOS, even if it has some of the same problems as iOS, because nobody can ever fix iOS and offer iPhone or iPad users a choice. The best that anyone can do with iOS is crack it, replace part of the OS, and open up the possibility of additional software sources, after voiding the warranty.	Mar 13 14:23
cubezzz	dude, it's like you're blogging _in_ IRC	Mar 13 14:23
DaemonFC	yeah :)	Mar 13 14:23
MinceR	i doubt google audits stuff like this for their certification	Mar 13 14:24
cubezzz	did mwm ever have a program to access the clipboard?	Mar 13 14:27
MinceR	isn't xsel good enough? :>	Mar 13 14:28
MinceR	or xclipboard	Mar 13 14:28
MinceR	or even parcellite	Mar 13 14:29
cubezzz	http://maxhost.org/other/nouveau-retro-desktop.png	Mar 13 14:35
DaemonFC	Someone said that Obama voters believe that he can turn water into wine.	Mar 13 14:36
DaemonFC	I said, "He can turn water into wine, the same way that anyone else can. Through a scientific process that goes back at least several thousand years."	Mar 13 14:36
MinceR	cubezzz: klipper sticks out :>	Mar 13 14:37
cubezzz	that's the nouveau part :)	Mar 13 14:37
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 13 14:43
DaemonFC	Christians believe that their demigod walked on water.	Mar 13 14:43
DaemonFC	generalblue (Proud PS4 Owner) says:	Mar 13 14:43
DaemonFC	Liberals believe that Obama can turn water into wine.	Mar 13 14:43
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 13 14:43
DaemonFC	Obama can turn water into wine the same way anyone else can.	Mar 13 14:43
DaemonFC	Through a scientific process that goes back at least several thousand years.	Mar 13 14:43
MinceR	:>	Mar 13 14:43
MinceR	it's more of a traditional one than a scientific one, really	Mar 13 14:44
MinceR	some people discovered they like spoiled fruit juice :>	Mar 13 14:44
cubezzz	xclipboard must have been dropped by most distros	Mar 13 14:45
MinceR	i've only seen it mentioned in the xsel docs	Mar 13 14:45
MinceR	didn't really look for it :>	Mar 13 14:45
cubezzz	very quaint, it shows one line at a time	Mar 13 14:52
cubezzz	no wonder everybody dumped it	Mar 13 14:52
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757627	Mar 13 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Playing with pebbles of democracy https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_56dbef74d7fb4bc55bb3.jpg		Mar 13 14:53
schestowitz__	"Lots of democracy."	Mar 13 14:53
schestowitz__	http://www.zdnet.com/ibm-is-spending-but-is-it-enough-to-buy-the-cloud-7000026796/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9	Mar 13 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| IBM is spending, but is it enough to buy the cloud? \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/guj3w ]		Mar 13 15:09
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444183787841531906 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444186329027727360 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444188404176404480 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444189723591200768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190041481703424	Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gentoo and #sabayon #gnu #linux have been eerily quiet for a number of months. Are they done compiling (not Sabayon, Gentoo)?		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Eurocom Begins Offering #gnu #linux High Performance Laptops http://t.co/oCUxevplQE		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Eurocom Begins Offering Linux High Performance Laptops		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Raspberry Pi: Fun with a serious purpose http://t.co/Kihdef0JFS #raspberrypi #linux		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Raspberry Pi: Fun with a serious purpose \| ZDNet		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Tim Berners-Lee's first browser was simple and text-driven. " no DRM. http://t.co/JGyrG0HXt7		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| The browser's resized future in a fragmented www world • The Register		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.		Mar 13 15:26
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190312014311424 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190588112748544 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190950479659008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444191706305818625 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444192088843108353	Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Getty Images Allows Free Embedding, but at What Cost to Privacy? https://t.co/cdMlWcsEo5 so it was a publicity stunt only. #getty #fail		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eff.org \| Getty Images Allows Free Embedding, but at What Cost to Privacy? \| Electronic Frontier Foundation		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM http://t.co/mLX5TTjUh3 #drm #timbl #lockin #hollyweb		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM \| Technology \| theguardian.com		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Tim Berners-Lee: 'We should have ways of protecting people like Snowden' http://t.co/wEgBMehfUm and #hollywood apparently		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Tim Berners-Lee: 'We should have ways of protecting people like Snowden' \| Technology \| theguardian.com		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google tries to protect the #privacy of Chinese citizens while trashing privacy of Westerners http://t.co/ddewmiWeMJ it's all political then		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.co.uk \| BBC News - Google encrypts search text in China		Mar 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google's latest publicity stunt neglects to mention that Google, the MITM, gives #nsa and #gchq access to the text data. #privacy #pr #spin		Mar 13 15:26
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DaemonFC	It's still pretty easy to get a massive television set for free if you're not picky.	Mar 13 15:47
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DaemonFC	People give away those old standard definition sets all the time.	Mar 13 15:47
DaemonFC	You can get an antenna and a DTV to analog converter for a song.	Mar 13 15:47
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444196619727405056	Mar 13 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Android-based robot aims for Rubik’s Cube record http://t.co/yPmggrWE1e #android #linux		Mar 13 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxgizmos.com \| Android-based robot aims for Rubik's Cube record · LinuxGizmos.com		Mar 13 15:55
DaemonFC	The city did something really dumb.	Mar 13 15:56
DaemonFC	They waited more than 24 hours after the snow storm to plow my street. It's all going to melt tomorrow anyway.	Mar 13 15:56
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747933	Mar 13 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: World Bank to lend #Ukraine $3bn http://rt.com/business/world-bank-3bn-ukraine-042/ a banker's 'solution' is life-long #debt		Mar 13 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> rt.com \| World Bank to lend Ukraine $3bn — RT Business [ http://ur1.ca/gtnrq ]		Mar 13 15:56
schestowitz__	"I have read Al Jazeera news a few times and were surprisingly good, but I don't like so much muslim countries so I don't look for Al Jazeera news on my own."	Mar 13 15:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758143	Mar 13 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.		Mar 13 15:57
schestowitz__	"He used a NEXT computer (with NEXTStep running on it), according to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb#History And of course NEXTStep contained large chunks of BSD (NetBSD and FreeBSD I think) so Unix is right."	Mar 13 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| WorldWideWeb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gujcx ]		Mar 13 15:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757233	Mar 13 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When systems are designed with back doors in mind (as in NEEDING those) it should be no surprise that financial transactions are risky		Mar 13 15:57
schestowitz__	"I have been seriously thinking about having some cash in my house because of that."	Mar 13 15:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112	Mar 13 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?		Mar 13 15:58
schestowitz__	"Still no interest in whole truth."	Mar 13 15:58
schestowitz__	"I don't like Russia so much but certainly I like RT News, I try to take whatever is good."	Mar 13 15:58
schestowitz__	"	Mar 13 15:58
schestowitz__	@Cronos, it's a pity that there isn't anything like RT in Russian %).	Mar 13 15:58
schestowitz__	Quality of Russian TV is… something.	Mar 13 15:58
schestowitz__	'	Mar 13 15:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758018	Mar 13 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gentoo and #sabayon #gnu #linux have been eerily quiet for a number of months. Are they done compiling (not Sabayon, Gentoo)?		Mar 13 15:59
schestowitz__	"never ending story :P probably re-compiling with more optimal flags"	Mar 13 15:59
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DaemonFC	Watching Star Trek: First Contact on Blu Ray.	Mar 13 20:14
DaemonFC	Mom was pissed at me because she dragged us all to some chick flick in 1996, and I snuck into the theater that was playing Star Trek: First Contact instead. She didn't realize I wasn't in their theater until their movie was over.	Mar 13 20:15
DaemonFC	A Star Trek movie with Captain Picard and the Borg most definitely beats the crap out of whatever it was we were there to see, I'm sure.	Mar 13 20:15
DaemonFC	I watched Gravity a few nights ago. That movie sucked. It was obviously meant for big screen 3d eye candy, except that I don't have a 3dtv, so I just got to watch Sandra Bullock get tossed around in space for two hours. Blagggh. At least George Clooney died.	Mar 13 20:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support	Mar 14 03:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jxoI8prRSf	Mar 14 03:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gumj0	Mar 14 03:26
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444384473300606976 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444384540719869952	Mar 14 04:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support http://t.co/Q8Pl2eVgZY #games #gnu #linux		Mar 14 04:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.13 http://t.co/OO0rflWbah #kde #gnu #linux #kde4		Mar 14 04:09
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MinceR	geekings	Mar 14 05:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and	Mar 14 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	Platform 4.13 http://t.co/Kn83MjILiA	Mar 14 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gunmo	Mar 14 06:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@xusaxii @tuxmachines http://t.co/q2Afb3t2rN #Yavup	Mar 14 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gunmp	Mar 14 06:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve fires another shot in its war against	Mar 14 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	Windows gaming dominance http://t.co/iBEY37tWTH	Mar 14 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gunmr	Mar 14 06:06
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schestowitz__	> I think the problem started after I posted one of the YouTube videos. The only problem is I have tried all methods and URLs to try to gain access and/or edit the weblog, but I cannot connect.	Mar 14 06:10
schestowitz__	"Mark Zuckerberg Says The US Has Become A Threat To, Rather Than A	Mar 14 06:21
schestowitz__	Champion For, The Internet"	Mar 14 06:21
schestowitz__	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140313/13450726570/mark-zuckerberg-says-us-has-become-threat-to-rather-than-champion-internet.shtml	Mar 14 06:21
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schestowitz__	And then there is Facebook itself...	Mar 14 06:21
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755538	Mar 14 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYyNzU #ubuntu #gnu #linux		Mar 14 06:28
schestowitz__	"Well... as much as I'm not a fan of the idea of Mir, it's got to be an improvement. I've often found screencapturing solutions could be a bit of a nightmare under Linux and particularly Ubuntu."	Mar 14 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes [ http://ur1.ca/gunro ]		Mar 14 06:28
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112	Mar 14 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?		Mar 14 06:28
schestowitz__	"I stopped watching local television long time ago, it's simply not worth the time. And about getting news that are true, accurate and fair, from only one source, and in your own language, I think that's a pipe dream. I live in a banana republic, but I don't think US television and news are better. Maybe European tv, but I don't know."	Mar 14 06:28
schestowitz__	Europe has too many languages	Mar 14 06:29
schestowitz__	off to Birmingham for the day, back late at night...	Mar 14 06:34
Sosumi	http://www.gerhard-wisnewski.de/Multilingual/english/-New-Ukraine-leader-is-an-agent-of-NATO.html	Mar 14 07:22
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Sosumi	I had said it before	Mar 14 07:23
Sosumi	main objective of taking ukraine was for the missile shield	Mar 14 07:23
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-14/krimea-kerry-caption-contest	Mar 14 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| "Krimea Kerry" Caption Contest \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/guok2 ]		Mar 14 09:12
Sosumi	Long Face Lavrov	Mar 14 09:12
Sosumi	and Ftard Kerry	Mar 14 09:14
Sosumi	ftard ketshup kerry	Mar 14 09:14
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MinceR	http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/216489-1/Cork-pulled-guns-Texas.gif	Mar 14 10:29
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_Goblin	Quiet day?	Mar 14 11:16
MinceR	hay	Mar 14 11:59
_Goblin	:)	Mar 14 12:09
_Goblin	or....	Mar 14 12:09
_Goblin	Bonjour	Mar 14 12:09
_Goblin	BTW - Promote to channel - Peppermint 4 - excellent distro...	Mar 14 12:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Peppermint 4 - Turns a netbook into a	Mar 14 12:13
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook http://t.co/NEdotSeul0	Mar 14 12:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gupw6	Mar 14 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Peppermint 4 - Turns a netbook into a Chromebook \| Tux Machines		Mar 14 12:13
_Goblin	I'd say it goes far further than a chromebook	Mar 14 12:19
_Goblin	its merely a bare bones linux distro that defaults to the cloud services mostly but allows the scope of a "normal" linux distro	Mar 14 12:19
Sosumi	it's friday	Mar 14 12:33
Sosumi	meanwhile, long face lavrov's speech about crimea	Mar 14 12:37
Sosumi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MicqZRnAkOg	Mar 14 12:37
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Sosumi	still waiting something from ketchup kerry	Mar 14 12:38
Sosumi	ketchup kerry: if there is referendum, ofc there will be sanctions	Mar 14 12:57
Sosumi	to whom?	Mar 14 12:57
Sosumi	russia or crimea?	Mar 14 12:57
MinceR	that is not decided yet	Mar 14 12:57
MinceR	but there will be sanctions!	Mar 14 12:57
_Goblin	lol...sanctions....	Mar 14 13:01
_Goblin	what sanctions ? The UK is impotent and needs Russia far more.	Mar 14 13:02
MinceR	what does the uk need russia for?	Mar 14 13:02
_Goblin	Trade...how much investment by the Russians? Much I think...	Mar 14 13:02
_Goblin	also	Mar 14 13:02
_Goblin	fuel	Mar 14 13:02
MinceR	ic	Mar 14 13:02
_Goblin	and keep in mind, its very easy for the US to jump up and down, but what on Earth can they do?	Mar 14 13:03
_Goblin	The US wouldn't dare take on Russia...as it only goes after softer targets	Mar 14 13:03
_Goblin	the UK is a joke....and in anycase is what Russia doing any different from the US and UK in their pasts?	Mar 14 13:03
MinceR	dunno, maybe they and their allies could stop trading with russia, but then much of europe would need to find some other place to get gas from	Mar 14 13:04
_Goblin	The Premier league in the UK is owned by the Russians...sort of.	Mar 14 13:04
_Goblin	Russia holds all the cards in my opinion and I think its rather hypocritical that the UK / US would try to tackle them over something which we have been "guilty" of ourselves.	Mar 14 13:05
_Goblin	The UK is irrelevant in Europe and whilst is the lapdog of its bigger more powerful brother the US, the US won't dare stick their neck too far over the line....	Mar 14 13:06
_Goblin	I think Syria was a good indicator of the "bottle" the US and UK have when it comes to Russia....none at all.	Mar 14 13:07
_Goblin	and rightfully so....Russia is doing exactly what the US/UK would have/have done.	Mar 14 13:07
_Goblin	I'm also done with western "morals" of government, where lives of Palastinian children don't seem to be worth as much as those of Israel.....Both our governments are a disgrace.	Mar 14 13:09
_Goblin	* Palestinian	Mar 14 13:10
MinceR	afaik the us and uk stopped doing this sort of thing long ago	Mar 14 13:21
MinceR	afaik changing borders is kind of a no-no nowadays :>	Mar 14 13:21
MinceR	_Goblin: of course, if the US, UK and allies can't find a way to punish Russia, then it will really be... "Crimea River." :>	Mar 14 13:34
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MinceR	https://ribanc.com/files/1897837_754876501202804_2061845895_n.jpg	Mar 14 13:47
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_Goblin	MinceR, But who claimed it a "no-no"? the very same people who have done just that...The argument they used to bring to the table was "stablity."	Mar 14 13:52
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 14 13:53
DaemonFC	RepubliCritter uses cocaine.	Mar 14 13:53
DaemonFC	Checks himself into rehab for a few weeks.	Mar 14 13:53
DaemonFC	Continues collecting his Critter Paycheck.	Mar 14 13:53
DaemonFC	Goes back to being a Critter.	Mar 14 13:53
DaemonFC	Now, you try using cocaine and see what happens...	Mar 14 13:53
_Goblin	I'd rather not try cocaine	Mar 14 13:57
Sosumi	catnip > everything else	Mar 14 14:25
Sosumi	even Obozo does it	Mar 14 14:36
Sosumi	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcb7hjTUd81r3rmc8o5_r1_1280.jpg	Mar 14 14:36
Sosumi	http://roman-n.livejournal.com/5840448.html	Mar 14 14:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-roman-n.livejournal.com \| N - Correspondence of US Army Attache Assistant in Kiev [ http://ur1.ca/guqr0 ]		Mar 14 14:40
Sosumi	http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/21990429/russia-says-intercepted-us-drone-over-crimea-arms-group/	Mar 14 14:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-au.news.yahoo.com \| Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group - Yahoo!7 [ http://ur1.ca/guqrj ]		Mar 14 14:42
MinceR	_Goblin: just what and when?	Mar 14 15:42
_Goblin	If we look at here and now, they do it by proxy...and rather than extend borders they claim "liberation".	Mar 14 15:50
_Goblin	proxy example would be Israel.	Mar 14 15:50
_Goblin	however by "liberation" the designated place becomes extension of "liberating" government.	Mar 14 15:52
_Goblin	and what of the Falklands?	Mar 14 15:52
_Goblin	The power here is all about alliances, so in the case of Russia not only is there Russian might which frightens USA and UK, its the alliance with China.	Mar 14 15:53
_Goblin	Gibraltar....we don't give that back, do we?	Mar 14 15:53
_Goblin	and then by proxy give land away and extend our borders by a proxy (Israel)	Mar 14 15:54
_Goblin	but it doesnt matter because the plight of the Palestine won't be reported by Western media because of the allies in Israel.	Mar 14 15:55
_Goblin	I should quantify that comment though by saying that its no fault of the Israel people. This is government v government.	Mar 14 15:56
_Goblin	As is sadly the case around the world...its our governments bickering and acting appallingly....not the people.	Mar 14 15:56
MinceR	ic	Mar 14 15:59
MinceR	but those all happened a long time ago, didn't it?	Mar 14 16:00
MinceR	depending on whether what israel is doing now is by their own intent or usa's	Mar 14 16:00
_Goblin	And the west has its "no-no's" for people doing the same thing....because the west is the bastion of world morals and everyone else is comply with their vision of what is right and wrong.	Mar 14 16:01
_Goblin	Until it backfired, look at history of Russia (forgetting the actual cold war)	Mar 14 16:01
Sosumi	if the crimeans want to be part of the russia	Mar 14 16:01
MinceR	or because the Long Peace rests on them :>	Mar 14 16:01
Sosumi	what can the US do?	Mar 14 16:01
_Goblin	the US were so scared they assisted a certain group in afghanistan to fight the Russians.	Mar 14 16:02
Sosumi	indeed	Mar 14 16:02
_Goblin	They even made a film about it....Rambo 3	Mar 14 16:02
Sosumi	a propaganda movie called rambo 34	Mar 14 16:02
_Goblin	it was all glory then, whilst the rebels fought on approval of the US...then it went a little sour when the "rebels" realized the exact price for being a proxy of the US	Mar 14 16:03
MinceR	is that rule 34 of rambo?	Mar 14 16:03
Sosumi	which had on its credits a dedication to the brave mujahadee aka alqaeda	Mar 14 16:03
MinceR	:>	Mar 14 16:03
_Goblin	:)	Mar 14 16:03
Sosumi	no idea, I just tend to find those movies boring and dumb	Mar 14 16:03
MinceR	at least those are proxy wars	Mar 14 16:03
_Goblin	They are very factual...	Mar 14 16:03
MinceR	the one in ukraine is a direct one	Mar 14 16:04
_Goblin	not in a realistic way of course	Mar 14 16:04
_Goblin	but Rambo et al, portray what it is the US wants people to believe and what they fear the most	Mar 14 16:04
Sosumi	the only factual movie that I could remember was Wag the Dog	Mar 14 16:04
_Goblin	and the same in the UK.....	Mar 14 16:04
_Goblin	its not a conspiracy, because in the case of films, the film makers pander to the current affairs and whats reported in the media.....	Mar 14 16:05
_Goblin	no better time to sell an "Invasion" movie, when Russia is out of favour with you.	Mar 14 16:05
Sosumi	propaganda I tell you	Mar 14 16:06
MinceR	also good time to sell weapons :>	Mar 14 16:06
Sosumi	indeed	Mar 14 16:06
_Goblin	Yes, but the movie industry isnt instructed to produce it, they are merely making money off the back of it	Mar 14 16:06
Sosumi	and ammo	Mar 14 16:06
MinceR	and UAVs	Mar 14 16:06
_Goblin	this all comes back to the US and China...	Mar 14 16:07
Sosumi	I though that the CIA had finger in holywood	Mar 14 16:07
Sosumi	*thought	Mar 14 16:07
_Goblin	they have in the media for a long time...	Mar 14 16:07
MinceR	they might	Mar 14 16:07
_Goblin	Area 51 for example.	Mar 14 16:07
MinceR	but some things might be explained without them :>	Mar 14 16:07
_Goblin	theres no aliens there though.	Mar 14 16:07
_Goblin	Area 51 was a propaganda tool created for the Chinese to believe the US had aliens in hangers that they could unleash if China's world ambitions included the US	Mar 14 16:08
_Goblin	there never was an aliens, but the beauty of a government denial and a few sci fi movies was that the simple people believed more and more in a "conspiracy" and did the propaganda job for the government.	Mar 14 16:09
_Goblin	the more the government denied, the more people thought they were covering up....it was actually a very clever "conspiracy"	Mar 14 16:10
_Goblin	Notice of late the "Captain America" type movies getting released...this is not something the government has instructed but it is the film companies capitalizing on peoples patriotism and desire to see the "western morals" served on a poor populas who know no better.....a feel good movie about world domination if you wish....	Mar 14 16:12
_Goblin	Its very similar to a Microsoft view of "Do it our way or not at all"	Mar 14 16:15
MinceR	the same could be said about russian foreign policy as well	Mar 14 16:17
_Goblin	Very true....but can you blame them?	Mar 14 16:21
_Goblin	a liberal superpower becomes the lapdog of others nations wyms.	Mar 14 16:21
_Goblin	theres no us and them....this is governments fighting governments....a few people in power.	Mar 14 16:22
_Goblin	for example, if you met a Russian in a bar, you wouldn't have an overwhelming desire to sanction them by refusing to serve or speak to them, if they were a decent bloke you'd have a chat and a drink....	Mar 14 16:23
_Goblin	and its this ethos which you extend to all the nations in the world, you realize that its merely people in power having ego battles with each other.	Mar 14 16:24
_Goblin	they don't get their hands dirty in war, its all dinners, numbers of troops and battles.... like a game of Risk or Command and Conquer...with the winner getting the biggest ego and remembered in history	Mar 14 16:25
MinceR	well, you can't fault every single citizen for everything their government does anyway	Mar 14 16:25
_Goblin	completely agree.	Mar 14 16:25
_Goblin	as I say this is not about "people" its all about governments.	Mar 14 16:26
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx8N30LGWZY56P	Mar 14 17:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: `Act of piracy' behind Malaysian flight disappearance, US official says [ http://ur1.ca/gurgf ]		Mar 14 17:00
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 14 17:00
DaemonFC	Oh no. Who knew that unlicensed copying of copyrighted materials could bring down an entire Boeing Dreamliner.	Mar 14 17:00
DaemonFC	Mea Maxima Culpa!	Mar 14 17:00
DaemonFC	;)	Mar 14 17:00
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_Goblin	Hi Gordon...	Mar 14 17:10
_Goblin	not watching the Celtic match?	Mar 14 17:10
ThistleWeb	no	Mar 14 17:10
ThistleWeb	bugcast is about to start	Mar 14 17:10
_Goblin	ah...	Mar 14 17:11
Sosumi	Gordon Freeman? is that you?	Mar 14 17:11
ThistleWeb	the wee free men?	Mar 14 17:12
Sosumi	:)	Mar 14 17:12
ThistleWeb	sorry, I find it hard to ignore openings for Discworld references	Mar 14 17:12
Sosumi	that was a half life reference	Mar 14 17:13
ThistleWeb	oh, never played it	Mar 14 17:13
Sosumi	neither did I	Mar 14 17:14
Sosumi	but the series have quite leached out a couple of popular memes	Mar 14 17:14
_Goblin	Sosumi....not Freeman, its Gordon Brown....ex-labour leader....	Mar 14 17:16
Sosumi	strange	Mar 14 17:16
Sosumi	I thought Gordon Brown was a pole dancer	Mar 14 17:16
_Goblin	He only does that on weekends	Mar 14 17:17
Sosumi	I see	Mar 14 17:17
_Goblin	and sometimes a monday	Mar 14 17:17
Sosumi	:)	Mar 14 17:17
_Goblin	and on webcam for 40p a minute	Mar 14 17:17
_Goblin	He's obviously with the bugcast now or he'd be making remarks now.	Mar 14 17:18
Sosumi	bugcast?	Mar 14 17:18
Sosumi	is it a slang for comcast?	Mar 14 17:18
_Goblin	I assume he is referring to this podcast http://thebugcast.org/tag/linux-outlaws/	Mar 14 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thebugcast.org \| Linux Outlaws - The Bugcast		Mar 14 17:19
Sosumi	I see	Mar 14 17:19
_Goblin	I assume....don't have much time for pod/audio casts these days	Mar 14 17:19
_Goblin	I occasionally tune into Roy's - I liked his RMS stuff	Mar 14 17:20
ThistleWeb	thebugcast.org	Mar 14 17:20
ThistleWeb	it's live streaming now	Mar 14 17:21
Sosumi	usually, talkradio puts me to sleep	Mar 14 17:21
_Goblin	I'm very much into my talk radio (Talksport and LBC)	Mar 14 17:21
Sosumi	unless it is something really interesting and new	Mar 14 17:21
ThistleWeb	it's 8 creative commons music tunes from a variety of styles, with a lil bit of chat between every two	Mar 14 17:22
MinceR	220041 < DaemonFC> Oh no. Who knew that unlicensed copying of copyrighted materials could bring down an entire Boeing Dreamliner.	Mar 14 17:23
MinceR	lol	Mar 14 17:23
MinceR	http://www.gdargaud.net/Humor/QuotesComputer.html	Mar 14 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gdargaud.net \| Computer Quotes [ http://ur1.ca/gurnv ]		Mar 14 17:44
_Goblin	Does anyone know whatever happened to Brandon Lozza? - I know I've been away from this group for a while but I'd love to know.... a quick google brings up his stuff that I already know.... Did he ever find his underground neanderthals? Did he ever release his Linux distro?	Mar 14 17:57
Sosumi	"Blink your eyelids periodically to lubricate your eyes." — Page 16 of the HP "Environmental, Health Safety Handbook for Employees".	Mar 14 17:58
Sosumi	lawl	Mar 14 17:58
_Goblin	And maybe the most important question of all.... Did he ever get a job as a Brian Clough look a like?	Mar 14 17:58
_Goblin	Sosumi - Ah.... That's where Ive been going wrong all these years.....I just used to throw water into my face every minute or so.	Mar 14 17:59
Sosumi	water has contaminants (pipping) and residual products from treatment	Mar 14 18:00
Sosumi	hardly the ideal thing to trow at the eyes	Mar 14 18:00
_Goblin	I don't know...does wonders for the complexion	Mar 14 18:01
_Goblin	and I use Evian	Mar 14 18:01
Sosumi	no idea of what that is	Mar 14 18:02
Sosumi	but usually sodium chlorine is enough	Mar 14 18:02
Sosumi	to wash the eyes	Mar 14 18:02
_Goblin	Its bottled mineral water from some mountain or other.	Mar 14 18:02
_Goblin	Melted Ice from Europa....thats what I can use....	Mar 14 18:03
Sosumi	ha ok	Mar 14 18:03
_Goblin	contains high levels of chlorine....but its filtered through the depths of deep space and matured at sub zero temperatures in orbit around Jupiter	Mar 14 18:04
_Goblin	Quote "Europa's surface temperature at the equator never rises above minus 260 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 160 degrees Celsius). At the poles of the moon, the temperature never rises above minus 370 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 220 degrees Celsius)." - Now hows that for pure and free of contaminents?	Mar 14 18:05
MinceR	doesn't say anything about it	Mar 14 18:06
MinceR	only temperature	Mar 14 18:06
_Goblin	You see much industry on Europa?	Mar 14 18:06
_Goblin	I know we have had a few conspiracy "people" in the past here......but even their theories don't stretch to industry on Europa....I hope.	Mar 14 18:07
_Goblin	And Europa is an excellent example of how to be environmentally friendly......if you don't have an environment in the first place, are many degrees below zero and orbit a massive gas giant whilst being bombarded by insterstella radiation, then you can't stuff up the environment.	Mar 14 18:09
_Goblin	fill your boots....burn all the fossels you want (if you can without oxygen)	Mar 14 18:09
_Goblin	suck the planet dry...nobody will notice.	Mar 14 18:10
_Goblin	Talking of conspiracy folk....if you google "David Icke" my G+ posting on him is the 5th result down......	Mar 14 18:15
cubezzz	ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA :)	Mar 14 18:15
_Goblin	And Uranus....you can have that one too	Mar 14 18:16
_Goblin	I made a minecraft monolith the other day out of black wool.....put it on a hill when the sun came up....looked rather good until my lad blew it up.	Mar 14 18:17
_Goblin	I've got a serious Minecraft problem....not helped by the fact its my lads favourite game.	Mar 14 18:18
MinceR	you can have poisons without industry	Mar 14 18:18
_Goblin	Stop spoiling my Europa branded mineral water....full of natural goodness.....there's nothing artificial in it.	Mar 14 18:18
MinceR	231627 <@_Goblin> And Uranus....you can have that one too	Mar 14 18:18
*MinceR snickers		Mar 14 18:18
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cubezzz	I thought they renamed it to Urectum	Mar 14 18:19
_Goblin	lol.....	Mar 14 18:19
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MinceR	:>	Mar 14 18:19
_Goblin	Now....where can we go with the name of the moon Titan....	Mar 14 18:19
MinceR	:>	Mar 14 18:20
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_Goblin	nice moon that.....	Mar 14 18:20
_Goblin	home of Judge Dredd (I think - don't really watch that)	Mar 14 18:20
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_Goblin	but more importantly....	Mar 14 18:20
MinceR	i only saw the old judge dredd	Mar 14 18:20
Sosumi	just change it into an hieroglyph	Mar 14 18:20
_Goblin	home to the Grey Knights chapter........ Ordius Malaficous......or something like that...	Mar 14 18:20
_Goblin	Burn Heretic.......	Mar 14 18:21
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_Goblin	Has there ever been a sci-fi movie with Uranus in it?	Mar 14 18:21
_Goblin	can't think of one...	Mar 14 18:21
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_gIxTitMM	Mar 14 18:21
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_Goblin	Titan..... As we discussed.... Mars, thats obvious.... The moon....again been done.... Jupiter yep thats been done..... Pluto...yep again been done....but what about Uranus?	Mar 14 18:22
cubezzz	"IT Came from Uranus"	Mar 14 18:22
MinceR	they had it in animaniacs, iirc	Mar 14 18:22
Sosumi	in southern accent	Mar 14 18:23
_Goblin	I'm not talking about some dodgy porn....I mean a scifi film or similar... ;)	Mar 14 18:23
Sosumi	"it came from yr'anus"	Mar 14 18:23
MinceR	no, it was freakazoid	Mar 14 18:23
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMOeV5MLOvc	Mar 14 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Freakazoid Uranus best joke ever!! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gurtz ]		Mar 14 18:23
_Goblin	Just imagine, when we reach out further into space....there will be some poor soul in the future who will be labelled .... The first man (or woman) on Uranus.	Mar 14 18:24
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8eFFnJsCjs	Mar 14 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Animaniacs - Our Solar System singalong... - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gurub ]		Mar 14 18:24
MinceR	apparently animaniacs did it too	Mar 14 18:24
_Goblin	thats not something I'd want my name next to in the history books.	Mar 14 18:24
_Goblin	Quote: "Uranus is the seventh planet from the Sun. It has the third-largest planetary radius and fourth-largest planetary mass in the Solar System."	Mar 14 18:25
_Goblin	sounds like my first girlfriend.	Mar 14 18:25
MinceR	:>	Mar 14 18:26
_Goblin	One good thing about uranus...its got a moon which you can visit......	Mar 14 18:26
_Goblin	Titania....	Mar 14 18:26
MinceR	:D	Mar 14 18:26
cubezzz	there was a movie about Uranus but they kept it out of the Title: "Journey to the Seventh Planet"	Mar 14 18:27
_Goblin	lol	Mar 14 18:27
MinceR	i wonder why	Mar 14 18:27
cubezzz	:)	Mar 14 18:27
_Goblin	You must admit though I have a point.....would you want to be the first man on Uranus and be known as such for life?	Mar 14 18:27
_Goblin	you'd never live it down....	Mar 14 18:27
cubezzz	isn't it a gas planet though?	Mar 14 18:27
cubezzz	you can't really land on it	Mar 14 18:27
MinceR	i don't think i'd worry that much about a pun	Mar 14 18:28
cubezzz	Uranus is very gassy :)	Mar 14 18:28
cubezzz	ok, no more stupid jokes	Mar 14 18:28
_Goblin	I think you are right...	Mar 14 18:29
_Goblin	similar in composition to neptune	Mar 14 18:29
_Goblin	apparently	Mar 14 18:29
_Goblin	but its got alot of Ice....so maybe you could stand on that if you adopted a surfing type pose.	Mar 14 18:29
_Goblin	There we are so you couldn't land on it...merely pass through it...of sorts...	Mar 14 18:30
_Goblin	so you could be the first man to enter Uranus.........nope I'm still not liking that next to my name in the history books.	Mar 14 18:31
_Goblin	I'll go to Titania thanks	Mar 14 18:31
MinceR	you could be the first man to pass through uranus!	Mar 14 18:31
_Goblin	true....enter one end and come out the other.	Mar 14 18:31
_Goblin	and maybe stop off at Titania.	Mar 14 18:32
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_Goblin	Moving on... I've been using the media player Guyadeque.....never used it before..... very good.....	Mar 14 18:36
MinceR	can it shuffle its playlist?	Mar 14 18:36
_Goblin	yep...	Mar 14 18:36
MinceR	interesting... not many music players can do that :)	Mar 14 18:37
_Goblin	you mean shuffle as in randomize?	Mar 14 18:37
MinceR	i mean randomize the order of the songs	Mar 14 18:37
_Goblin	yep	Mar 14 18:37
_Goblin	it can do that...	Mar 14 18:38
MinceR	and then let the user change the order, choose where to start playing, etc.	Mar 14 18:38
_Goblin	let me just check....	Mar 14 18:38
MinceR	some of them will only be able to randomly walk through the playlist	Mar 14 18:38
MinceR	amaroK lets you enable random order but then it doesn't let you change the order	Mar 14 18:38
_Goblin	what ive just done:	Mar 14 18:38
MinceR	(i _think_ it was amaroK)	Mar 14 18:39
_Goblin	Randomized a playlist prior to playing....	Mar 14 18:39
_Goblin	moved around some of the tracks from the random order....	Mar 14 18:39
_Goblin	I can start anywhere in the playlist and it will go until the end	Mar 14 18:39
MinceR	nice	Mar 14 18:39
_Goblin	.....never needed that feature myself so I had to check...	Mar 14 18:39
MinceR	finally an alternative to xmms/bmp/audacious :>	Mar 14 18:39
MinceR	i use it often	Mar 14 18:39
_Goblin	only really listen to podcasts and a few audiobooks that I can't be bothered to read....	Mar 14 18:40
MinceR	throw in a lot of songs, randomize them, move the one i want to hear first to first place, start playing	Mar 14 18:40
_Goblin	yep it does that...	Mar 14 18:40
MinceR	maybe move some of them down to have them play again	Mar 14 18:40
_Goblin	http://guayadeque.org	Mar 14 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-guayadeque.org \| Home - Guayadeque Music Player		Mar 14 18:40
MinceR	choose one to play last and set it to stop when it finishes that track, leave it for later :>	Mar 14 18:40
MinceR	and then sometimes i drop in an entire album right after the current song	Mar 14 18:41
DaemonFC	http://www.getrichslick.com/wow-look-at-10-years-of-fast-food-price-inflation/	Mar 14 19:38
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DaemonFC	He blames the Federal Reserve System for fast food prices averaging a 5-6% annual rate of inflation.	Mar 14 19:38
DaemonFC	If that's true, then why is inflation far less than that at the grocery store?	Mar 14 19:39
DaemonFC	It is true that people's wages are having a hard time beating overall inflation.	Mar 14 19:39
DaemonFC	Most people are working for less every year because inflation will be 2-3% and they might get a 1% raise.	Mar 14 19:39
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DaemonFC	mmmm, prune juice	Mar 14 20:26
DaemonFC	A warrior's drink!	Mar 14 20:26
MinceR	which warrior's?	Mar 14 20:31
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MinceR	gn	Mar 14 21:25
DaemonFC	Somehow, I'd bet that the people that have a problem with gay marriage are drinking Natural Ice.	Mar 14 21:50
DaemonFC	Hope you're heading back to a trailer, you redneck, enjoy the next NASCAR event.	Mar 14 21:50
DaemonFC	(OK, I got the second sentence from Jim Gaffigan. Sue me.)	Mar 14 21:50
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 14 22:23
DaemonFC	Well, the right-wing whackadoodles go apeshit whenever a cable company picks up any news channel that doesn't have "Fox" in the name.	Mar 14 22:23
DaemonFC	I'd love to see them pick up more news channels if only for that reason.	Mar 14 22:23
DaemonFC	I don't subscribe to cable, though, because it's a waste of money. I ditched it years ago when I realized I was paying over $120 a month just for the cable TV and I was down to two shows that I could stream anyway.	Mar 14 22:23
DaemonFC	30 years ago, your cable bill was less than $40 a month, there were no "boxes" to rent, and you got the movie channels with that. Now you pay three times that, there's never anything good on, and the cost goes up every year at 5-6 times the general rate of inflation.	Mar 14 22:23
DaemonFC	In Comcast's case, they're basically using the money to finance political graft and give $10 internet connections to everyone with a child on free or reduced price school lunches. Really? People with kids on reduced price lunches aren't necessarily even what you'd call poor. Your household can be up to 185% of the FPL for the reduced price lunch program. For a family of four, that is over $44,000 a year. The biggest reason to sign up for it is so	Mar 14 22:23
DaemonFC	you can get Comcast cable internet and make me pay for it.	Mar 14 22:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines TARBALLS DUE: GNOME 3.11.92 release candidate +	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	HARD CODE FREEZE http://t.co/E6pLufWdCZ	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gusx0	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NASA’s R2 bot to receive legs via SpaceX	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d0tECgmm6O	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gusx2	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 8 Makes Learning Linfastic	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/J4NfdT36QQ	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gusx3	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu’s Mir display server may not be default	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	on desktop until 2016 http://t.co/t69NrckBuR	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gusx4	Mar 14 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| TARBALLS DUE: GNOME 3.11.92 release candidate + HARD CODE FREEZE \| Tux Machines		Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What Operating Systems Do You Use?	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ciu6dmXDpQ	Mar 14 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gusx5	Mar 14 22:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu’s Mir display server may not be default on desktop until 2016 \| Tux Machines		Mar 14 22:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mark Shuttleworth calls Ubuntu Touch apps	Mar 15 00:21
TweetTuxMachines	better than Windows http://t.co/FVOtON54XT	Mar 15 00:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gutfe	Mar 15 00:21
*TweetTuxMachines @fhsales favourited 'Mark Shuttleworth calls Ubuntu Touch apps better than...'		Mar 15 00:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mark Shuttleworth calls Ubuntu Touch apps better than Windows \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 00:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 3 easy Linux alternatives for Windows XP	Mar 15 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	refugees who don't want a new PC	Mar 15 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EAnP2O605l	Mar 15 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gutii	Mar 15 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Desktop Effects Control Module in KWin5	Mar 15 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/T6Sfcld8bs	Mar 15 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gutij	Mar 15 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux mini-PC and JavaScript speed IoT	Mar 15 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	development http://t.co/VvzJII9mab	Mar 15 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gutik	Mar 15 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 3 easy Linux alternatives for Windows XP refugees who don't want a new PC \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Desktop Effects Control Module in KWin5 \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 00:40
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DaemonFC	https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1779037_897833530246101_866770540_n.jpg	Mar 15 02:08
DaemonFC	MinceR would appreciate that.	Mar 15 02:08
DaemonFC	https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1922462_10151871491011324_1162849945_n.jpg	Mar 15 02:09
DaemonFC	LOL	Mar 15 02:09
DaemonFC	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/03/14/2225220/mozilla-scraps-firefox-for-windows-8-citing-low-adoption-of-metro	Mar 15 02:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian Developers Are Preparing an LTS Version	Mar 15 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	for "Wheezy" http://t.co/lMLKhD2KNe	Mar 15 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/guumy	Mar 15 04:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS Cubed, "Fresh" LibreOffice, and Year	Mar 15 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	of Linux http://t.co/PAJAufUVtc	Mar 15 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/guumz	Mar 15 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Zorin OS Cubed, "Fresh" LibreOffice, and Year of Linux \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 04:49
DaemonFC	https://threatpost.com/weak-random-number-generator-threatens-ios-7-kernel-exploit-mitigations/104757	Mar 15 05:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-threatpost.com \| Weak Early Random PRNG Threatens iOS 7 Kernel Mitigations \| Threatpost \| The first stop for security news [ http://ur1.ca/guuqo ]		Mar 15 05:06
Sosumi	http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_15/IBM-denies-sharing-customers-data-with-US-government-6865/	Mar 15 05:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com \| IBM denies sharing customers data with US government - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/guut4 ]		Mar 15 05:22
Sosumi	it's confirmed when officially denied	Mar 15 05:22
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=TxWTMH9WD0M774	Mar 15 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The European Union has passed a new law requiring a universal cell phone charger standard. [ http://ur1.ca/guuwx ]		Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	http://techpp.com/2014/03/14/universal-phone-charger/	Mar 15 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techpp.com \| Europe to Have One Charger for All Mobile Phones, Global Standard Next? [ http://ur1.ca/guuwz ]		Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	The vote was 550-12. OEMs will be required to support the new standard by 2017.	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	Perhaps next, they can force Apple to use standard file transport protocols with iThings, like Mass Storage Class so that freedom respecting software doesn't have to keep reverse engineering Apple's secret protocols.	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	Apple's iThings are a gigantic regression in most ways, but to not be able to manage your files with your operating system's file manager (unless you use GNU/Linux) is unacceptable.	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	Apple's Windows software is infamously bloated, horrendously insecure, and unwieldy to use. It installs unrelated shovelware and system services, and it has rendered Windows unable to boot on at least a couple of occasions.	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	Even Apple's own customers generally hate it.	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	Here's a good review of a recent version of iTunes for Windows.	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/11/itunes_11_it_s_time_for_apple_s_horrible_bloated_program_to_die.html	Mar 15 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slate.com \| iTunes 11: It’s time for Apple’s horrible, bloated program to die. [ http://ur1.ca/bozg7 ]		Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	"Won't Someone Take iTunes Out Back and Shoot It?"	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	And another.	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	http://www.thewire.com/technology/2012/06/bloated-itunes-doesnt-look-apple-product-anymore/54008/	Mar 15 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thewire.com \| Bloated iTunes Doesn't Look like an Apple Product Anymore - The Wire [ http://ur1.ca/guux0 ]		Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	"Bloated iTunes Doesn't Look like an Apple Product Anymore"	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	And another..	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	http://www.techhive.com/article/227349/10_apple_itunes_annoyances.html	Mar 15 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techhive.com \| 10 Major Apple iTunes Annoyances \| TechHive [ http://ur1.ca/guux1 ]		Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	10 Major Apple iTunes Annoyances	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	And another one, from a magazine for Apple users..	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	http://www.macworld.com/article/1166274/itunes_time_to_right_the_syncing_ship.html	Mar 15 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macworld.com \| iTunes: Time to right the syncing ship \| Macworld [ http://ur1.ca/8zn7w ]		Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	iTunes: Time to right the syncing ship	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	And an older one, from another Apple fansite.	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	http://www.cultofmac.com/32298/how-itunes-became-apples-ie6-and-what-it-can-do-about-it/	Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	"How iTunes Is Becoming Apple's Own Internet Explorer 6 (A Crappy, Bloated Mess)"	Mar 15 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cultofmac.com \| How iTunes Is Becoming Apple’s Own Internet Explorer 6 (A Crappy, Bloated Mess) \| Cult of Mac [ http://ur1.ca/guux3 ]		Mar 15 05:35
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx7V6ZW0NKJWBQ	Mar 15 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: A new report shows that Apple severely weakened system security in iOS 7. [ http://ur1.ca/guux7 ]		Mar 15 05:36
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Mar 15 05:36
DaemonFC	https://threatpost.com/weak-random-number-generator-threatens-ios-7-kernel-exploit-mitigations/104757	Mar 15 05:36
DaemonFC	A security researcher at CanSecWest said that an attacker could easily brute force the early random PRNG used by Apple in order to bypass many of the kernel exploit protections in iOS.	Mar 15 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-threatpost.com \| Weak Early Random PRNG Threatens iOS 7 Kernel Mitigations \| Threatpost \| The first stop for security news [ http://ur1.ca/guuqo ]		Mar 15 05:36
DaemonFC	"The Early Random PRNG in iOS 7 is surprisingly weak," said Tarjei Mandt senior security researcher at Azimuth Security. "The one in iOS 6 is better because this one is deterministic and trivial to brute force. All the mitigations deployed by the iOS kernel essentially depend on the robustness of the Early Random PRNG," Mandt said. "It must provide sufficient entropy and non-predictable output."	Mar 15 05:36
DaemonFC	Could this be part of their collaboration with the NSA?	Mar 15 05:36
Sosumi	what makes you think that is the NSA?	Mar 15 06:26
Sosumi	why not the CIA	Mar 15 06:26
Sosumi	or DEA?	Mar 15 06:26
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Sosumi	also, if you cared about security, you would probably be using a nexus series phone with open source android	Mar 15 06:29
Sosumi	probably, modified to meet your requirements	Mar 15 06:29
Sosumi	or to a lesser extent, a blackberry phone	Mar 15 06:30
Sosumi	iphones are for ppl that like justin beaver and hannah montana	Mar 15 06:53
Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/mozilla-gives-up-on-metro-mode-firefox/	Mar 15 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Mozilla gives up on Metro mode Firefox \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/guvu7 ]		Mar 15 08:38
Sosumi	well captain obvious for mozilla to see that there's no user interest in metro	Mar 15 08:39
Sosumi	metro is trash, even less functional than crapple's dashboard	Mar 15 08:40
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MinceR	there's also no sense in running Gecko on top of IE	Mar 15 09:23
Sosumi	so, third party browsers running on the metro framework need to run on top of IE»	Mar 15 09:29
Sosumi	?	Mar 15 09:29
MinceR	iirc the entire metro ui runs on top of ie	Mar 15 09:32
Sosumi	LOLOLOL	Mar 15 09:32
Sosumi	fail	Mar 15 09:32
MinceR	indeed	Mar 15 09:33
MinceR	but business as usual for msft	Mar 15 09:33
Sosumi	you mean crashing? and dumb implementation	Mar 15 09:33
Sosumi	that is the business model of m$	Mar 15 09:33
Sosumi	making sure you always return to them for help	Mar 15 09:33
MinceR	also, braindead "design"	Mar 15 09:36
MinceR	forcing their crap in everywhere	Mar 15 09:36
Sosumi	yep	Mar 15 09:36
MinceR	("nobody wants to use IE? fine, we'll build it into the OS!" ... "still nobody wants to use IE? fine, we'll build it into the UI and ban the desktop!")	Mar 15 09:37
Sosumi	:)	Mar 15 09:37
MinceR	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/03/russia-blocks-access-major-independent-news-sites	Mar 15 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org \| Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites \| Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/gukbz ]		Mar 15 09:57
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Sosumi	http://asmarterplanet.com/blog/2014/03/open-letter-data.html	Mar 15 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-asmarterplanet.com \| A Letter to Our Clients About Government Access to Data A Smarter Planet Blog [ http://ur1.ca/guwn1 ]		Mar 15 11:41
Sosumi	IBM's apology letter	Mar 15 11:42
Sosumi	also USS Truxton to carry on with exercises at black sea	Mar 15 11:44
Sosumi	here's a picture of it	Mar 15 11:45
Sosumi	http://mlb-s2-p.mlstatic.com/fita-truxton-tectoy-sega-mega-drive-tec-toy-original-11279-MLB20041031015_012014-O.jpg	Mar 15 11:45
Sosumi	crimea referendum results to be disclosed at 17th	Mar 15 11:45
Sosumi	and so far lazy saturday	Mar 15 11:45
cubezzz	USS Truxtun :)	Mar 15 12:36
cubezzz	not spelled the same as the Sega Genesis game	Mar 15 12:36
cubezzz	USS Truxton 6.0 :)	Mar 15 12:40
Sosumi	:)	Mar 15 13:01
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-15/heres-what-richest-man-world-thinks-about-snowden-and-nsa-surveillance	Mar 15 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| Here's What The Richest Man In The World Thinks About Snowden And NSA Surveillance \| Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gux22 ]		Mar 15 13:03
Sosumi	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK6SS8CXYZo	Mar 15 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Bill Gates Pie in Face - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gux25 ]		Mar 15 13:04
cubezzz	Gates is just a huge parasite	Mar 15 13:04
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt	Mar 15 13:05
cubezzz	my personal favourite:	Mar 15 13:05
Sosumi	well yes	Mar 15 13:05
cubezzz	"Stealing PDP-10 computer time from Computer Center Corp to write BASIC"	Mar 15 13:06
cubezzz	that's how it all started	Mar 15 13:06
Sosumi	who else would dump m$ unix to develop its own standard, NT, to ensure that none of the programs would be compatible with other unix systems	Mar 15 13:07
Sosumi	was it xenix?	Mar 15 13:07
cubezzz	Xenix was derived from Unix v7, and yes it's a giant step backwards	Mar 15 13:07
cubezzz	instead of getting the source code for all device drivers, compilers, user programs you got binaries only	Mar 15 13:08
cubezzz	Microsoft didn't exactly dump Unix, but they corrupted it and closed it off	Mar 15 13:09
Sosumi	ho I wasn't looking at the the irc windows	Mar 15 13:09
Sosumi	I meant it as "who else but m$" in the sense of developing their own standard	Mar 15 13:10
Sosumi	and confine everything to their platform	Mar 15 13:10
cubezzz	Blame Cutler for that, he was a Unix hater	Mar 15 13:12
Sosumi	but it was M$ who hired him from dec	Mar 15 13:13
Sosumi	and NT is hardly, really, hardly a VMS replacement	Mar 15 13:13
Sosumi	and talking of vms	Mar 15 13:14
Sosumi	hp would do great if they ported openvms to x86	Mar 15 13:14
Sosumi	instead of having it confined to the now dead itanium	Mar 15 13:14
cubezzz	as much as I liked DEC I can't get too excited about OpenVMS	Mar 15 13:18
cubezzz	it's in the same category as Ultrix, VM/SP, and other closed source OSes	Mar 15 13:19
cubezzz	and OpenVMS had bugs, just like everything else	Mar 15 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenBSD replacing Apache web server with nginx	Mar 15 13:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BRqqnEX0Jt	Mar 15 13:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gux7l	Mar 15 13:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines South Tyrol to increase use of free software	Mar 15 13:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xFHJiBBw38	Mar 15 13:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/gux7m	Mar 15 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenBSD replacing Apache web server with nginx \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| South Tyrol to increase use of free software \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 13:27
cubezzz	if I want to play around with something different, I'll run Haiku or Plan 9	Mar 15 13:29
cubezzz	also Unix was better than OpenVMS in several ways	Mar 15 13:31
cubezzz	more open, a lot cheaper and more responsive	Mar 15 13:32
MinceR	geekings	Mar 15 13:34
MinceR	vms is baroque	Mar 15 13:34
MinceR	nt, even more so	Mar 15 13:34
cubezzz	the old IBM OSes are worth a look	Mar 15 13:35
cubezzz	pre-VM/SP, they were basically open source	Mar 15 13:36
cubezzz	stuff like OS/360-MVT, or VM/370	Mar 15 13:37
cubezzz	on the DEC side I think the source for RT-11 is kicking around	Mar 15 13:38
cubezzz	in a way, things could have turned out better than they did	Mar 15 13:44
cubezzz	high schools should have got unix source code, but in the old days PDPs were just too expensive	Mar 15 13:45
Sosumi	I see	Mar 15 14:19
Sosumi	but I meant it into a way of pressuring ibm and red hat	Mar 15 14:20
Sosumi	with another OS readily available	Mar 15 14:20
Sosumi	instead of one that at the moment seems dead	Mar 15 14:21
Sosumi	also, does't the german stock exchange use openvms?	Mar 15 14:21
Sosumi	no idea about the german	Mar 15 14:22
Sosumi	but the koreans are using it	Mar 15 14:22
Sosumi	and so do the australians	Mar 15 14:22
cubezzz	IBM has z/OS and Linux for their mainframes	Mar 15 14:24
Sosumi	and AIX	Mar 15 14:25
cubezzz	not everyone is going to want the source code for a given OS, some don't care	Mar 15 14:25
cubezzz	personally, I want source code :)	Mar 15 14:25
cubezzz	with enough $$$ you can probably get the OpenVMS source	Mar 15 14:26
Sosumi	I have no use for vms	Mar 15 14:26
Sosumi	but keeping it as a competitor	Mar 15 14:26
Sosumi	would probably be better in the long run	Mar 15 14:27
cubezzz	outside of my own personal philosophy, as long as different operating systems can interoperate using open standards, it's not overly-critical which operating system they use	Mar 15 14:34
Sosumi	yes	Mar 15 14:36
cubezzz	I think that most OSes have accumulated a lot of cruft over time, and there's nothing really universal or elegant that's modern	Mar 15 14:36
Sosumi	that is true	Mar 15 14:36
cubezzz	if someone really wanted to, they can go back to the original engineering diagrams of a PDP-11/45 (a common Unix box) and learn everything about it	Mar 15 14:51
cubezzz	there's no way for Microsoft or anyone else putting the Genie back in the bottle	Mar 15 14:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today is Hardware Freedom Day!	Mar 15 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Wc2olE3rOo	Mar 15 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/guymv	Mar 15 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today is Hardware Freedom Day! \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu,	Mar 15 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	compared and contrasted http://t.co/OLPaLMt7ZK	Mar 15 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/guymx	Mar 15 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu, compared and contrasted \| Tux Machines		Mar 15 17:29
_Goblin	What a good day I've had.......	Mar 15 17:47
_Goblin	I see it quiet in here again....what's happened?	Mar 15 17:47
_Goblin	used to be a hive of activity.....we've still got the numbers in users so wheres the convo?	Mar 15 17:47
Sosumi	studying...	Mar 15 17:49
Sosumi	that is for what weekends are for	Mar 15 17:50
cubezzz	MinceR, if you're still around...	Mar 15 17:52
cubezzz	modern mwm does use ICCC	Mar 15 17:52
MinceR	but not EWMH	Mar 15 17:59
MinceR	so you can't have another wm replace it	Mar 15 18:00
MinceR	and you can't use wmctrl with it	Mar 15 18:00
Sosumi	gn	Mar 15 18:02
cubezzz	interesting	Mar 15 18:38
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MinceR	gn	Mar 15 21:20
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/Acer-DA220HQL-21-5-Inch-Android-Touchscreen/dp/B00CHYKVPQ/	Mar 15 22:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: Acer DA220HQL 21.5-Inch Android All-in-One Touchscreen Desktop (Black): Computers & Accessories [ http://ur1.ca/gv0qv ]		Mar 15 22:28
schestowitz__	meh	Mar 15 23:02
schestowitz__	Amazon	Mar 15 23:02
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