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DaemonFC2 seconds agoMar 09 01:29
DaemonFCSomeone noticed me posting on their forum and changed my member status to "Apple Basher". I told them, "thank you".Mar 09 01:29
DaemonFCSomeone was talking to me about when I worked at Walmart.Mar 09 01:31
DaemonFCThey reminded me of this annoying co-manager we had. They said "Didn't you just want to walk up and kick her in the cunt?".Mar 09 01:31
DaemonFCI said, "Well, she did brag about buying her son a new Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. About a week later, she came in, in a bad mood, and said her son was trying to drag race someone, peeled out from a stop sign, and ran the car into a tree. The insurance company ended up totaling the car. Isn't is just wonderful how some days turn out?"Mar 09 01:33
DaemonFCabout a minute ago · EditedMar 09 01:53
DaemonFCOf course, whether there's spyware for iThings or not depends on that which we call spyware.Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFCMost apps in Apple and Google's store are designed to mine your personal data and spy on you. The NSA even worked with Apple to install backdoors into iPhones and other Apple products at the hardware level.Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFCBoth stores contain apps from car insurance companies that monitor your phone's GPS. Facebook's app is designed to copy your phone's SMS messages and send them to Facebook, which uses the data for advertising and god only knows what else.Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFCIn general, I never install an app on my phone on my Android phone if there's a way to do the same thing on a web page through my Mozilla Firefox web browser.Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFCYou'd be surprised at how many apps are just a portal to a website that gives some untrustworthy company additional powers over your phone, which they will use to steal your personal data.Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFCThe iPhone also has an additional malicious feature which lets every store you enter track your movements and send you alerts that you might not want.Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFCThere are a few grocery stores that wait until you get close to the Gillette shaving razors and send you a coupon for them. So, maybe you don't care if they know you like Gillette shaving razors, but they effectively know everything else too. How long you spend in the frozen food aisle next to the pizzas. If you're buying condoms and lube from the "personal aisle", etc. Maybe they'll sell all that to a health insurance company.Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFCDo you really want them to know this stuff?Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFCThe only way to turn off this malicious iPhone feature is to disable bluetooth completely. Even then, it's proprietary, so who knows whether turning that feature off actually turned off their ability to track you, or just shuts off their ability to send you coupons and alerts?Mar 09 01:53
msb_Wire a switch in series with the battery, AND keep it in a metal (solid, mesh or foil) case.Mar 09 02:16
msb_The whole phone, not just the switch.Mar 09 02:16
msb_Or, run a network trace on the spies, and when it finds them, feed the coordinates to a drone with an HE warhead.Mar 09 02:18
msb_Should work for the criminal carpet cleaners, too.Mar 09 02:19
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3735583Mar 09 05:16
schestowitz__"When the left Ctrl and the C have worn off, it is a sign heavy linux command line. Like the keyboard I just replaced because it broke after a decade of use. I wonder how long it will take for the new keyboard to look that way."Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3729683Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__"they are fascist only in Putin's propaganda. Comon, there are different people, some are more nationalistic, some less. changing the language law, was not a wise step, of course, but you know, I can understand that people. After all, nothing puts Russian in danger, but the same cannot be said about Ukrainian. But calling the new government nazis, is just what's on official Russian channels, and it's a lie."Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3730019Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__"Appreciate the publicity, even if we did decide to leave photo editing to The Gimp about... 5 years ago? We're a professional digital sketching and painting tool, now."Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3668930Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__"One small step towards world domination..."Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3735556Mar 09 05:19
schestowitz__"Or alternatively, "$ ./run-sketchy-script.sh", then notice it is deleting all our files, repeatedly press Ctrl+C and then spend the next few hours rebuilding the system."Mar 09 05:19
msb_I just blew the dust out of my computer while watching the temp sensors, and the two cores got about 5-8degC cooler!Mar 09 05:25
msb_Thanks to cpu heat sink with wide fin spacing.  Not the one that came with the cpu.  Much bigger fan.  Cost about $25 and well worth it!Mar 09 05:25
msb_Gotta record the anime's on the Cartoon Network tonight.  Mencoder uses most of the cpu making xvid.Mar 09 05:25
msb_I love Linux!Mar 09 05:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve Asks Users to Disable SELinux to PlayMar 09 05:33
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msb_"But calling the new government nazis, is just what's on official Russian channels, and it's a lie." -- Bullshit!  It's also on lots of alternative investigative news sites.  Mar 09 05:38
msb_...which I gave urls for a few days ago, and you reposted them, schestowitz__!Mar 09 05:39
msb_"Turner Radio Network" is a scam site started by Hal Turner, a Nazi provocteur found to be working for the US govt.  NOT Ted Turner.Mar 09 05:42
msb_provocateurMar 09 05:43
msb_Worse than "Sorcha Faal".Mar 09 05:51
msb_schestowitz__: Thanks for command line jpg!Mar 09 06:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Spec Sheet: Toshiba and Samsung try to makeMar 09 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Chromebooks mainstream http://t.co/IWUV83XouOMar 09 06:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     RIT launches nation’s first minor in free andMar 09 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 open source software and free cultureMar 09 06:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android's co-founder is spending Google'sMar 09 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 billions hunting for the next big thingMar 09 06:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sub-$400 CyanogenMod-powered smartphone detailsMar 09 06:57
TweetTuxMachines                 emerge http://t.co/Fk2HGjf7k5Mar 09 06:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linpus Lite 2.1 review http://t.co/I9FgC1qVFXMar 09 07:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gsx4nMar 09 07:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What to expect in Ubuntu 14.04 LTSMar 09 07:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linpus Lite 2.1 review | Tux MachinesMar 09 07:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What to expect in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS | Tux MachinesMar 09 07:39
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Sosumihttp://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/09/353918/blackwater-members-in-ukraine/Mar 09 10:44
Sosumi‘Blackwater’ members in Ukraine’s DonetskMar 09 10:44
MinceRgeekingsMar 09 11:05
Sosumiblackwater is kind of a reference to the black color fluids take on a corpse in decompositionMar 09 11:09
Sosumibut they have changed their name twice already after the crap that went on in iraqMar 09 11:09
Sosumito Xe and now AcademiMar 09 11:09
msb_Academi???  What a total lie for a gang of murder-for-hire thugs!Mar 09 12:09
Sosumiit is trueMar 09 12:41
Sosumihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_%28company%29Mar 09 12:42
Sosumithe academi of deathMar 09 12:44
Sosumihttp://mashable.com/2014/03/07/tablet-pc-chart/Mar 09 13:24
SosumiTablets expect to outsell PCsMar 09 13:25
Sosumi*expectedMar 09 13:25
SosumiM$ better do what I've been sayingMar 09 13:25
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Sosumiby turning their xbox into a limited pc that runs M$ software onlyMar 09 13:26
Sosumiotherwise they'll just dieMar 09 13:26
Sosumiand we'll be left with something to poke fun atMar 09 13:26
Sosumi*well left withoutMar 09 13:27
Sosumibut this is the dark future I've kind of been fearingMar 09 13:34
Sosumiin which all you have is a piece of hardware with limited functionalityMar 09 13:35
Sosumiwith all the storage and the required computing being left at a remote serverMar 09 13:35
Sosumithe big iron desktop is already deadMar 09 13:36
Sosumithat spells the death of the small iron notebookMar 09 13:36
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msb_"<Sosumi> the big iron desktop is already dead" -- Nonsense!  The very article that Sosumi links to shows desktop sales declining very slowly by about 14% from 2012 to 2018.  Desktops can have highspeed processors and have several large HDDs to have lots of data instantly available, for about $1200.  Laptops add portability but lack the large data storage and some of the speed, for about the same price.  Tablets store little data and Mar 09 17:32
msb_have a tiny screen -- useless for watching movies -- and an inefficient "keyboard".  Easy portability is their only advantage.  They have entirely different uses from desktops and laptops.  The only reason tablets are outselling the others is their low price.Mar 09 17:32
msb_None of this has anything to do with Microshit, which will hopefully gradually die.Mar 09 17:34
Sosumippl use tvs to watch moviesMar 09 17:36
Sosumimany from what I've seen have already relegated all their computing to tabletsMar 09 17:36
msb_Desktops and laptops can serve as a wonderful extension of the human mind, if configured correctly.  Any song, any movie, any piece of information important to a person, can be instantly recalled.Mar 09 17:36
Sosumithe only desktop market that still stays afloat is the gaming pcMar 09 17:36
msb_Most people don't think, have never learned how, and have in fact been taught not to think.  Any that drink fluoridated water, take antacids containing aluminum, or get vaccines containing mercury, have been brain-damaged.  All of these have little intellectual life.  They may be satisfied with a tablet, and watching movies from DVDs using a TV.  Mar 09 17:40
msb_They are "sheeple".  But it's people who *do* think who make a difference, who advance human knowledge and society, and create a World Community, and (hopefully) save us from the current domination by fascist psychopaths.Mar 09 17:43
Sosumiho, no they actually stream themMar 09 17:45
Sosumiyou know? from a tablet or from zee internetzMar 09 17:45
Sosumivia a console or some boxMar 09 17:45
msb_Makes no difference to what I said.Mar 09 17:45
Sosumiyes, remember that the alien also can emerge from the tv screenMar 09 17:46
msb_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIcMar 09 17:49
msb_The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up!   (guess the bot is down again)  Russell Blaylock -- neurosurgeon.Mar 09 17:52
msb_What alien?Mar 09 17:52
Sosumi*facepalm*Mar 09 17:53
msb_What alien?Mar 09 18:01
msb_Sosumi: What alien?Mar 09 18:03
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Sosumiyou need to stop listening to AJMar 09 18:16
Sosumiand the new age crapMar 09 18:17
Sosumiofc all tech is a double edged swordMar 09 18:17
Sosumibut the way you put it looks like a sloganMar 09 18:17
Sosumiand actually it is fun to watch the new age marijuana folks prattle aroundMar 09 18:18
Sosumibecause all they do is repeat the slogans that are shoved down their ears by their gurusMar 09 18:18
Sosumilike AJ, david ike, alan watts, blavatski and so onMar 09 18:19
Sosumiand ho yes the alienMar 09 18:19
Sosumismoke marijuana and he'll appear, for sureMar 09 18:19
Sosumi:)Mar 09 18:20
Sosumibut I don't remember who was the alien + marijuana guyMar 09 18:25
Sosumiicecrawler? or icebreakerMar 09 18:26
msb_You just spew out unrelated names and think you're making a point.  AJ, david "ike", alan watts, blavatski all said/say very different things.  One must use critical thinking, which you don't seem to do, to extract the useful accurate info from each, and many others.Mar 09 18:28
msb_Sosumi: Cannabis can help free you from your programmed preconceptions, if you choose and use it correctly.Mar 09 18:31
msb_Sosumi: If you think in terms of "new age crap" or "conspiracy theories" you are doomed to be one of the sheeple that Blaylock talks about.Mar 09 18:33
MinceR184632 < Sosumi> yes, remember that the alien also can emerge from the tv screenMar 09 18:54
MinceRSamara?Mar 09 18:54
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 09 18:54
DaemonFC"We have two children and a non-sentient parasite that has integrated itself into my systems." Mar 09 18:54
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/c5joj7q.pngMar 09 18:56
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 09 18:59
DaemonFCPlan C.Mar 09 18:59
DaemonFCGive birth and then drop it off with your elected officials. Mar 09 18:59
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DaemonFC TOPICWAQ says:Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFCwhat's A and B? And technically, drop off is an option. Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFCI know.Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFCRemember that time when the stupid Republicans in Nebraska worded the law wrong and people were driving to Nebraska to drop their teenagers off at hospitals? Mar 09 19:05
DaemonFC TOPICWAQ says:Mar 09 19:06
DaemonFCI missed that...editing is important.... Mar 09 19:06
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 09 19:06
DaemonFCIt was all over the news.Mar 09 19:06
DaemonFCAt least one woman drove all the way from Florida to drop off her 16 year old at a Nebraska hospital.Mar 09 19:06
DaemonFC"You said child! No take backs! Byeeeeee!" Mar 09 19:07
MinceR:DMar 09 19:09
SosumiMinceR, yes, the ring referenceMar 09 19:28
Sosumimsb_, if you want to free your mind, start by learning how the mind worksMar 09 19:29
Sosumigo study psychology and neurophysiologyMar 09 19:30
Sosumiinstead of doing drugsMar 09 19:30
Sosumibecause once you know how the mind worksMar 09 19:31
Sosumiyou'll no longer fall for the entrapments of propagandaMar 09 19:31
msb_Sosumi: 1. I don't "do drugs".  2. I know that people create a model of reality in their minds, which is not necessarily accurate.  It can only be made more accurate by critical thinking  -- access all available sources of information, and compare them with one another and with your own internal model using the law of non-contradiction.  Mar 09 19:33
msb_Sosumi: Then update your internal model.  If you don't realize that your beliefs are your own model of reality, and that you must use critical thinking to correct it, then you have no hope of knowing what's actually going on in the world.   Psychology and neurophysiology don't help that much.Mar 09 19:35
msb_Sosumi: You must hold your own mind as an object of examination.  That is the key.  Self-observation, as explained by Gurdjieff and Ouspensky.  Without it you remain asleep.Mar 09 19:36
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msb_http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/us-backing-neo-nazis-ukraine?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmarkMar 09 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org | Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine? | Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/gt18z ]Mar 09 21:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SXSW: Pitivi Aims To Bring Real Video EditingMar 09 21:28
TweetTuxMachines                 to Linux http://t.co/OKk6gtHM47Mar 09 21:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SXSW: Pitivi Aims To Bring Real Video Editing to Linux | Tux MachinesMar 09 21:28
SosumihumMar 09 21:54
SosumicrimeaMar 09 21:54
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/03/20140309_Ukr1.pngMar 09 21:54
Sosumialso, Obozo invites coup ukranian PM to DCMar 09 21:56
Sosumiand guys on the field there are now confirmed to be blackwater PMCsMar 09 21:57
Sosumifrom tarpley just nowMar 09 21:58
Sosumihttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/02/1281474/-Ukraine-Ethnic-Purity-Extremists-Neo-Nazis-threaten-Russians-Jews-non-whites#Mar 09 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | Ukraine Ethnic Purity Extremists [Neo Nazis] threaten Russians, Jews, non-whites [ http://ur1.ca/gt1er ]Mar 09 21:58
Sosumi"Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.”Mar 09 22:00
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFCOne of the disturbing things about having a computer with a satellite connection in the car is that the government could shut off your engine, or deactivate the brakes, or.....Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFCEventually, they won't just be taking control of reporters Windows computers and deleting stories and books, they'll arrange for a little traffic accident, and nobody will be any the wiser.Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFCWhen we have self-driving cars, they'll be able to take them over and run you off a bridge or stop you on the train tracks and lock the doors, or....Mar 09 22:02
DaemonFCWell, you get the idea. Mar 09 22:02
Sosumiwhat I don't like of these new carsMar 09 22:03
Sosumiis that things like the accelerator are not directly connected to the engine through a steel cableMar 09 22:03
Sosumibut instead it is through a pressure sensor that in turn is connected to the management system of the carMar 09 22:04
Sosumiand as we all know alreadyMar 09 22:05
Sosumithose car's "entertainment system" feedback telemetry to the sellerMar 09 22:06
Sosumihttp://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/01/15/is-your-car-spying-on-you/Mar 09 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com | Is your car spying on you? | Naked Security [ http://ur1.ca/gt1gb ]Mar 09 22:06
Sosumihttps://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/10-security-privacy-issues-you-might-not-know-about-your-car%E2%80%99s-auto-location-servicesMar 09 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | 10 security, privacy issues you might not know about your car’s auto-location services [ http://ur1.ca/gfmk2 ]Mar 09 22:07
Sosumiand I've read about using that info for car insurance bonuses and so onMar 09 22:07
DaemonFCSosumi: My car is old enough that it has an accelerator cable.Mar 09 22:08
DaemonFCI have driven ones that have the sensor instead.Mar 09 22:08
Sosumimine tooMar 09 22:08
DaemonFCI don't know why they changed it. Another expensive sensor that can go out?Mar 09 22:08
Sosumiit fits in if they record your usage of the acceleratorMar 09 22:09
DaemonFCI hate how they have a $500 sensor on every fucking thing now.Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFC"Low tire pressure!"Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFCWell, no shit...Mar 09 22:09
Sosumiinside the car "computer"Mar 09 22:09
DaemonFC"Oil change needed"Mar 09 22:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mark Shuttleworth Talks Up The Phone's BottomMar 09 22:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Edge On Ubuntu http://t.co/AxIDFPXsAcMar 09 22:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt1gtMar 09 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mark Shuttleworth Talks Up The Phone's Bottom Edge On Ubuntu | Tux MachinesMar 09 22:09
DaemonFCIsn't that what the sticker is for?Mar 09 22:09
Sosumifor possible data retrieval at a car repair shopMar 09 22:10
DaemonFCThen when you take it for an oil change, they don't reset the sensor, and it still says you need an oil change.Mar 09 22:10
Sosumior on those newer models, actually transmit the dataMar 09 22:10
DaemonFCI've seen plenty of people with that light on where they say "Yeah, the shop never reset it.".Mar 09 22:10
Sosumino ideaMar 09 22:10
Sosumimine doesn't do any of thatMar 09 22:10
DaemonFCThis car is the newest I've owned. It's a 1996.Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFCSo it does have OBD-II.Mar 09 22:11
Sosumimine's just a renault 21 turbo from 1991Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFCThat was the first year the federal government mandated that.Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFCSome 1995s have them.Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFCI've owned a lot of 1995s.Mar 09 22:11
DaemonFCA 1995 Chevy Lumina, a 1995 Chevy Corsica, a 1995 Ford Taurus....Mar 09 22:12
DaemonFCPeople get rid of their cars when there's plenty of life left on them.Mar 09 22:12
DaemonFCThey just want something newer, which is ridiculous.Mar 09 22:12
DaemonFCIf it's not broke, don't fix it.Mar 09 22:13
Sosumino idea on what others doMar 09 22:13
Sosumibut that renault has served me wellMar 09 22:13
Sosumias it did it's previous ownerMar 09 22:13
Sosumi*itsMar 09 22:13
Sosumiand didn't cost me a dimeMar 09 22:13
Sosumisince it was given free to meMar 09 22:13
DaemonFCI paid $2,200 for mine.Mar 09 22:22
DaemonFCConsidering what used car prices are up to, that's not a bad deal.Mar 09 22:23
DaemonFCAs recently as 2005, $2,000 got you a decent 10 year old car with about 100,000 miles on it.Mar 09 22:23
DaemonFCNow you're lucky to get anything that runs at all.Mar 09 22:23
Sosumi:)Mar 09 22:25
SosumiGNMar 09 22:25
MinceRhttp://pics.nase-bohren.de/getting-a-drivers-license.jpgMar 09 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pics.nase-bohren.de | getting-a-drivers-license.jpg - pics.nase-bohren.de 0.06 - Wir bohren einfach weiter [ http://ur1.ca/gt1m4 ]Mar 09 22:35
DaemonFCMinceR: I don't know why they have a drive test.Mar 09 22:44
DaemonFCThere's always someone that darts out in front of you.Mar 09 22:44
MinceRto serve as incentive for corruption? :>Mar 09 22:44
DaemonFCThere's always that guy that's going 50 in a 60 in front of you in a no passing zone.Mar 09 22:45
MinceRat least i'm sure that's how it works here in hungaryMar 09 22:45
DaemonFCThere's always the dude that can't keep it in one lane.Mar 09 22:45
MinceRthere's no way all those retards got a driver's license fair and square.Mar 09 22:45
DaemonFCDo these people exist in Hungary? :)Mar 09 22:45
MinceRyes, all of themMar 09 22:45
MinceRalso, turn lights are apparently a rarely heard legendMar 09 22:45
DaemonFCYeah. I honk at them and flip them off.Mar 09 22:46
MinceRand tailgating is the national sportMar 09 22:46
DaemonFCIt won't improve their behavior, but it feels good.Mar 09 22:46
MinceRpeople driving shitty expensive german cars believe the rules don't apply to themMar 09 22:46
MinceRthe police don't think the rules apply to themMar 09 22:46
MinceRthe rules are getting shittier every yearMar 09 22:46
DaemonFCHere, it's mostly pickup trucks that are rusty and as old as I am.Mar 09 22:46
MinceRbut no problem, since these idiots will probably insist on keeping the nazi dictatorshipMar 09 22:47
DaemonFCEconomy cars from the 90s that are burning oil.Mar 09 22:47
MinceRso the roads won't be maintainedMar 09 22:47
DaemonFCetc...Mar 09 22:47
MinceRand will become unusable in a decade or twoMar 09 22:47
MinceRand the people will also starve to death or be killed by plagueMar 09 22:47
MinceRor in civil warMar 09 22:47
MinceRso it won't last anywayMar 09 22:47
DaemonFCFord hasn't made anything better than the Crown Victoria.Mar 09 22:47
DaemonFCYou see cars like mine with 300,000-400,000 miles on them, and still running.Mar 09 22:47
DaemonFCCAFE killed the Crown Vic.Mar 09 22:48
DaemonFCIf they sold my car today, there's be a gas guzzler tax on it.Mar 09 22:48
DaemonFC*there'dMar 09 22:48
MinceRmaybe because it _is_ a gas guzzler? :>Mar 09 22:49
MinceRor the tax isn't dependent on mileage? :>Mar 09 22:49
DaemonFCit's whatever the government declares to be a gas guzzlerMar 09 22:49
DaemonFCI think the standard is 22.5 mpg now.Mar 09 22:50
DaemonFCThey increase the fine by every 1 mpg you get under that.Mar 09 22:50
DaemonFCMinceR: Mine is EPA rated for 17 mpg combined city/highway.Mar 09 22:51
MinceRthere you go, it's a gas guzzler :>Mar 09 22:51
MinceR(according to the standard)Mar 09 22:52
DaemonFCWell, yeah, except the EPA ratings aren't based in reality.Mar 09 22:52
DaemonFCThey don't reflect how real people drive.Mar 09 22:52
MinceRgnMar 09 22:59
TakinOverCrown Victoria? I've only seen cops driving those.Mar 10 00:10
msb_Suppose the government decides that people should have sensors, a little computer, and a wifi transceiver inside them to alert them to problems with their heart, liver, brain, etc.Mar 10 00:16
msb_"Democracies" may vote to make that mandatory.  After all, they voted to *prevent* GMO labelling and gay marriage in states in the US, and to make totally harmless cannabis more illegal than *murder*.  Voted through their elected legislators.Mar 10 00:18
msb_Maybe those same brainwashed idiot voters would vote to make implanted chips and sensors mandatory.  Mar 10 00:19
msb_And then the govt could keep track of everyone -- where they are and what they're doing.   All for their own good, of course.Mar 10 00:20
msb_If you went into a Faraday-cage room to block the transmission, the wifi transmitter might go to full power trying to contact the nearest base station and burn a hole through your skin.Mar 10 00:23
msb_Of course there would be no way to switch it off.  For your own good.Mar 10 00:23
msb_I guarantee that psychopaths in the US government are working on this right now.Mar 10 00:24
msb_There's even a TV series called "Intelligence" about a guy with a chip in his head that can receive all wifi data.  He can identify and track people.  The system in his head integrates the data and shows him a series of pictures.  He works for "US Cybercom":.Mar 10 00:26
msb_He has a beautiful female partner to protect him if he gets distracted by all that data.  They just showed episode 9 a couple days ago.Mar 10 00:29
msb_And we thought Skynet and Terminators were the worst they'd come up with.Mar 10 00:30
msb_Well, I guess the Matrix was worse.Mar 10 00:30
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schestowitz__http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/01/15/is-your-car-spying-on-you/Mar 10 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com | Is your car spying on you? | Naked Security [ http://ur1.ca/gt1gb ]Mar 10 04:52
schestowitz__Sosumi: yeah, real problemMar 10 04:52
schestowitz__but not as bad as cellphonesMar 10 04:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     IT Acquisition Reform Bill Passes House withMar 10 05:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Open Source Provisions http://t.co/s0YRLNeeVWMar 10 05:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt3isMar 10 05:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IT Acquisition Reform Bill Passes House with Open Source Provisions | Tux MachinesMar 10 05:48
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Sosumischestowitz__: it can be even worstMar 10 06:30
Sosumiif there are means built in to hijack the carMar 10 06:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Video interview on the power and innovationMar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 behind open source project managementMar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/qe8s8TGr88Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt4qwMar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Benchmarks Of Intel's Quark X1000 On TheMar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Galileo Board http://t.co/QVYxPO0ps5Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt4qzMar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chromecast concept shows futuristic redesignMar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 and we like it a lot http://t.co/bqF1CIL9cQMar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt4r0Mar 10 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Video interview on the power and innovation behind open source project management | Tux MachinesMar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sony to bring widget functionality to FirefoxMar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 OS http://t.co/NTlx3OJqQ5Mar 10 09:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt4r1Mar 10 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Benchmarks Of Intel's Quark X1000 On The Galileo Board | Tux MachinesMar 10 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chromecast concept shows futuristic redesign and we like it a lot | Tux MachinesMar 10 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sony to bring widget functionality to Firefox OS | Tux MachinesMar 10 09:12
MinceRgeekingsMar 10 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Why Not Diaspora? http://t.co/42hLAVOrlkMar 10 11:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt5edMar 10 11:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Risk Reflex (The Linux Security FlawMar 10 11:16
TweetTuxMachines                 That Isn't) http://t.co/OHqO0n8DCmMar 10 11:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt5efMar 10 11:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Distro diaspora: Four flavours of UbuntuMar 10 11:17
TweetTuxMachines                 unpacked http://t.co/8Oqn58AaeIMar 10 11:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt5ehMar 10 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why Not Diaspora? | Tux MachinesMar 10 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Risk Reflex (The Linux Security Flaw That Isn't) | Tux MachinesMar 10 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distro diaspora: Four flavours of Ubuntu unpacked | Tux MachinesMar 10 11:17
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cubezzzok, did a blog on chip fabrication and pollution:Mar 10 13:36
cubezzzhttp://cubexyz.blogspot.comMar 10 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.com | Notes on LinuxMar 10 13:36
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satipera@schestowitz i do not know if you are familiar with red matrix or if you have publicised it on your sites. If you have not would you care to take a look and perhaps shine a light on it? https://redmatrix.me/Mar 10 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-redmatrix.me | Red MatrixMar 10 13:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry toMar 10 16:57
TweetTuxMachines                 protect data in connected carsMar 10 16:57
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/kCUCDQIVa7Mar 10 16:57
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt79fMar 10 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to protect data in connected cars | Tux MachinesMar 10 16:57
schestowitz__cubezzz: I spread links to your blog post some days agoMar 10 16:58
schestowitz__techrights will link to it later this monthMar 10 16:58
cubezzzok, thanks :)Mar 10 17:00
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cubezzzhere's some more info on TCE and drinking water:Mar 10 17:14
cubezzzhttp://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/trichloroethylene.cfmMar 10 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-water.epa.gov | Basic Information about Trichloroethylene in Drinking Water | Basic Information about Regulated Drinking Water Contaminants | US EPA [ http://ur1.ca/gt7d3 ]Mar 10 17:14
cubezzzhere's some IBM 1401 pics you might enjoy (a computer introducted in 1959):Mar 10 17:23
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1401.jpgMar 10 17:23
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1401-control-panel.jpgMar 10 17:23
cubezzzmaybe msb remembers it :)Mar 10 17:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     “KDE5″ and Wayland http://t.co/IOjpHBSpQ3Mar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt7itMar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Makulu Makeover May Give Your Linux Life a LiftMar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/AgbVGHLZRUMar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt7iuMar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Half of EU has legislation on ICT re-useMar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/kqJkFzYqBOMar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt7ivMar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 3.14 rc6 http://t.co/I3JL8n8v5UMar 10 17:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt7ixMar 10 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | “KDE5″ and Wayland | Tux MachinesMar 10 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Makulu Makeover May Give Your Linux Life a Lift | Tux MachinesMar 10 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Half of EU has legislation on ICT re-use | Tux MachinesMar 10 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 3.14 rc6 | Tux MachinesMar 10 17:42
DaemonFCIt looks like we're going to get one last nasty snowstorm on Wednesday.Mar 10 17:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry toMar 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    protect data in connected carsMar 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines @omicron6       http://t.co/kCUCDQIVa7Mar 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt7qzMar 10 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cebit: Volkswagen CEO tells auto industry to protect data in connected cars | Tux MachinesMar 10 18:22
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Sosumihttp://techcrunch.com/2014/03/09/console-crisis/Mar 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | The Console Market Is In Crisis | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/gt7zz ]Mar 10 19:06
Sosumiit was like I said yesterdayMar 10 19:06
Sosumithe only thing that is surging is the gaming pc marketMar 10 19:06
Sosumialthough, consoles will pick up once exclusives start kicking inMar 10 19:07
Sosumias for the xbone I see a bad future ahead of itMar 10 19:07
Sosumiusually what kept the 360 around at first were the paid exclusivesMar 10 19:08
Sosumiand the halo games made by bungieMar 10 19:08
Sosumiwhich were quite mediocre if I must sayMar 10 19:09
Sosumispecially halo 1Mar 10 19:09
Sosumididn't bring anything new into the mixMar 10 19:09
Sosumiaside from assisted aiming, lawlMar 10 19:09
Sosumibut the xbone is well bellowMar 10 19:10
DaemonFCI opened all my windows. 55 degrees is like a tropical heat wave compared to the winter we've had.Mar 10 19:11
Sosumiin here there was just rain and rainMar 10 19:12
Sosumibut no cold at allMar 10 19:12
Sosumithe lowest temps outside were usually around 15 ºCMar 10 19:12
Sosumiat moment and for the remaining of the weekMar 10 19:13
Sosumiit is forecasted to be all sun and temperatures around 20 ºCMar 10 19:13
Sosumiand that basically means summer to meMar 10 19:13
Sosumisince from the hellhole I come from temperatures during the winter were usually negativeMar 10 19:14
Sosumithat and scorching summersMar 10 19:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sweden's Point of Single Contact runs openMar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines                 source http://t.co/iw9r0RvwmrMar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt89zMar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mozilla Halts its Development of PersonaMar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Authentication System http://t.co/JkO0gFSBTWMar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt8a3Mar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source runs web sites European ParliamentMar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/d2dLnklTG9Mar 10 19:50
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt8a4Mar 10 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sweden's Point of Single Contact runs open source | Tux MachinesMar 10 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Halts its Development of Persona Authentication System | Tux MachinesMar 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source runs web sites European Parliament | Tux MachinesMar 10 19:51
DaemonFChttp://blog.seattlepi.com/techblog/2014/03/10/popcorn-time-makes-movie-piracy-as-easy-as-watching-netflix/Mar 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.seattlepi.com | Popcorn Time makes movie piracy as easy as watching Netflix - Dwight Silverman's TechBlog [ http://ur1.ca/gt8a9 ]Mar 10 19:51
DaemonFC"they’re often laced with malware."Mar 10 19:51
DaemonFCEven on Windows, I do not believe that malware can infest a video file, unless the format is WMV.Mar 10 19:52
abeNd-orgugh, what is it with google & malware paid links, come on, i know you like money google but must you accept it from those pushing malware? this isnt even apps, this is links in google search, just had to clear off a computer from the person doing a "adobe flash" search on windows & clicking one of the sponsored links that infested her machine with a boatload of garbagewareMar 10 20:19
gde33abeNd-org: even worse, they were in a position to set some decent web standards but chose to keep what they like a secretMar 10 20:28
gde33they have a ton of designers guess what google likes, so called SEOMar 10 20:29
gde33for paid links I would do a scheme based on page weight, number of requests, does it use js, if so how much etcMar 10 20:30
gde33I would then bill you for the malware :DMar 10 20:30
gde33the kind of bill that ends your lifeMar 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Out in the Open: The Men SuperchargingMar 10 20:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Neuroscience With Open Source HardwareMar 10 20:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/3pGI417YDNMar 10 20:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gt8i4Mar 10 20:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Out in the Open: The Men Supercharging Neuroscience With Open Source Hardware | Tux MachinesMar 10 20:33
DaemonFCI bought a new car charger for my phone.Mar 10 20:38
DaemonFCI forgot that you can't have it plugged in when you're starting the car, and shorted mine out. :PMar 10 20:38
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sebsebsebhiMar 10 20:38
SosumiabeNd-org, I think those folks actually deserve that for installing flashMar 10 20:38
SosumiDaemonFC, always turn off stuff, including lights and radio when starting the engineMar 10 20:40
Sosumicommon sense says soMar 10 20:40
sebsebsebSosumi: openSUSEMar 10 20:40
Sosumiwhat about openSUSIE?Mar 10 20:41
Sosumilast time I checked, she had her legs closed :(Mar 10 20:41
sebsebsebSosumi: uhmm  openSUSE, Mint, and UbuntuMar 10 20:42
sebsebsebat that eventMar 10 20:42
sebsebsebSosumi: I was thinkng if I realy want to email this other group for something else realy abut itMar 10 20:42
sebsebsebI MeanMar 10 20:42
sebsebseb1. I look like a geek doing that for sureMar 10 20:42
sebsebseb2.Mar 10 20:42
sebsebsebuh hold on my distro isn't in the eventMar 10 20:42
sebsebsebunless yo inclue a mention in the hand outMar 10 20:43
SosumiI've no idea of what event you're referring toMar 10 20:43
sebsebsebSosumi: oh same one as beforeMar 10 20:43
sebsebsebgeneral public thingMar 10 20:43
Sosumiyou knowMar 10 20:44
Sosumiyou could always appear uninvitedMar 10 20:44
sebsebsebhmm?Mar 10 20:45
Sosumiat the eventMar 10 20:45
Sosumirent a plane and get a parachute tailored with the mageia colorsMar 10 20:45
Sosumiand jump in themMar 10 20:45
Sosumilike a bossMar 10 20:46
sebsebsebSosumi: heh hehMar 10 20:46
abeNd-orgSosumi despite your perfect html5 world, some stuff still uses flash on the internet, especially when it comes to end user applicationsMar 10 20:47
Sosumilike flash games?Mar 10 20:48
Sosumireal end user applications of the sort of important "stuff"Mar 10 20:49
Sosumiare done in javaMar 10 20:49
Sosumiflash in itself, could and should just dieMar 10 20:49
Sosumi*onMar 10 20:49
abeNd-orgradio station in this particular case, & yes mgmt allows it, so yes, it is supported by IT per mgmt, so no, this wouldnt fit into your perfect html5 utopia that doesnt existMar 10 20:53
MinceR205215 < DaemonFC> Even on Windows, I do not believe that malware can infest a video file, unless the format is WMV.Mar 10 20:53
abeNd-orgflash should die, but it isnt, & hasntMar 10 20:53
MinceRi suppose a buffer overflow or similar vulnerability could lead to execution of arbitrary code :>Mar 10 20:53
abeNd-orgos2 should die, but there is still plenty of it out there, sco openserver should die, but there is still plenty of it out thereMar 10 20:53
Sosumifunnily how you immediately declared ti has my html5 utopiaMar 10 20:54
MinceRhow could there be a "perfect html5 world" as long as a drm apologist heads the w3c in cahoots with msft and the MAFIAA?Mar 10 20:54
Sosumiwhen in fact html5 has been infected with drm a while agoMar 10 20:54
Sosumiso, far from being utopicMar 10 20:55
abeNd-orgi call it as the way you speak there is nothing in the universe using flashMar 10 20:57
MinceRsites should just link to reasonably open video files and let a real video player handle them :>Mar 10 20:57
MinceR(not Real Video, that's crap)Mar 10 20:57
Sosuminever intended to make it sound that wayMar 10 20:58
Sosumilike there is "nothing using flash"Mar 10 20:58
Sosumiplus, flash is deprecated on gnu/linux and it is a broken glass jar poorly fixed with duct tape and camel spitMar 10 20:59
abeNd-orgso tough cookies, flash still exists, stop whining & fix the issues instead of crying a river. google's sponsored ads on searches being one of the problemsMar 10 20:59
Sosumiso obviously that I'm all for replacing itMar 10 20:59
abeNd-orgyeah, well, it still exists, so again, touch cookiesMar 10 20:59
abeNd-orgtoughMar 10 21:00
abeNd-orgshould it? no, does it? yesMar 10 21:00
MinceRgetting rid of flash is the way to fix the issue.Mar 10 21:01
abeNd-orgok, so where is a usable replacement, & why is it that places like radio station websites arent using it yet?Mar 10 21:01
MinceRthere were usable replacements ever since video player applications could stream over httpMar 10 21:03
MinceRwebsites aren't using them because people are stupid.Mar 10 21:03
SosumiI have no idea of what radio stations you're talking aboutMar 10 21:03
Sosumibut the one I know provide a file that can be opened through vlcMar 10 21:04
Sosumior even itunesMar 10 21:04
Sosumifor streamingMar 10 21:04
Sosumimuch betterMar 10 21:04
Sosumiand it works with mobile devicesMar 10 21:04
Sosumisince flash is dead on android tooMar 10 21:04
MinceR(and most likely even an "html5" video element could be used in such a way)Mar 10 21:05
abeNd-orgsure, people in this channel could configure vlc for streaming, but most "humans" wouldnt know what vlc is, much less how to get it going for streamingMar 10 21:05
MinceRyou underestimate the popularity of vlc :>Mar 10 21:05
Sosumithat is why those humans deserve all the bag of hurt they get by installing flashMar 10 21:05
MinceRalso, regardless of your enthusiasm for flash, the fact is adobe is killing support for it.Mar 10 21:06
Sosumihopefully, they'll apreciate to know better next timeMar 10 21:06
abeNd-org& you underestimate the corporate worldMar 10 21:06
abeNd-org"(4:00:16 PM) abeNd-org: should it? no, does it? yes" - pretty sure i wouldnt call that enthusiasm....Mar 10 21:06
DaemonFCMinceR: Real doesn't have their own codecs anymore.Mar 10 21:07
abeNd-orgsure, replacing it with adobe airMar 10 21:07
DaemonFCJust a container format that hosts MPEG-4.Mar 10 21:07
MinceRthey killed adobe air earlierMar 10 21:07
abeNd-orgon linux sureMar 10 21:07
MinceRand it failed anywayMar 10 21:07
abeNd-orgalive & well on windowsMar 10 21:07
MinceRi'm curious of your corporate environment where adobe air is "alive & well"Mar 10 21:07
MinceRi'm pretty sure people aren't even aware of it in most "corporate environment"sMar 10 21:08
SosumiI thought that everyone hated airMar 10 21:09
Sosumias much as they hated twilightMar 10 21:09
Sosumior silverlightMar 10 21:09
abeNd-orgfrom what i remember most of the people in this channel are just students, or have only worked in one IT environment in their livesMar 10 21:09
MinceRthen you "remember" it wrongMar 10 21:10
SosumiI'm guilty for studentMar 10 21:10
abeNd-orgyea, silverlight, nightmare, ms is still pushing it for lync/sccm/etc managementMar 10 21:10
MinceRyeah, msft pretty much gave up on silverlightMar 10 21:10
MinceRages agoMar 10 21:10
abeNd-orgyea, they did, but for the current mgmt consoles of some of their major server programs it is still thereMar 10 21:11
MinceRso, a relicMar 10 21:11
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abeNd-orgrelic? not if it is currentMar 10 21:20
abeNd-org& netflix announced they are getting rid of silverlight, but i dont think it was until 2019Mar 10 21:21
abeNd-org& im pretty sure netflix isnt going away in the next 6 months or soMar 10 21:22
Sosumihttp://www.dallasblog.com/201402181010101/dallas-blog/soros-hires-scientologist-to-conquer-ukraine.htmlMar 10 21:54
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Sosumi*facepalm*Mar 10 21:54
SosumiI'd be laughing as hard as possible at this oneMar 10 22:01
Sosumibut ppl are sufferingMar 10 22:02
Sosumistill, a scientologist?Mar 10 22:02
SosumiroflMar 10 22:02
MinceRecumenical conspiracy theory?Mar 10 22:03
Sosumino ideaMar 10 22:04
Sosumitarpley was the one who got the linkMar 10 22:04
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DaemonFChttp://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/heqnvgscg4h6msgmgh47.gifMar 11 03:10
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msb_I never programmed that IBM 1401, but I did spend a couple years on this LINC computer:  http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/linc/Mar 11 04:33
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msb_Click on the photos to expand them.  It had silver toggle switches to load address and data.  You could simply run your finger down them to set them all to 0 or 1.  It had lighted pushbuttons!Mar 11 04:35
msb_The display was a 5" oscilloscope.  I programmed a binocular stero display on it with one of the analog knobs adjusting separation of the two pictures to match the viewer's interocular distance.Mar 11 04:36
cubezzzthat was by DEC was it not?Mar 11 04:36
msb_The keyboard crapped out and I helped make a new one out of a teletype and diode logic, to use until the replacement came.Mar 11 04:37
msb_Yes, DEC.Mar 11 04:37
msb_It was designed to be programmable by scientists for use in laboratory automation and data processing/visualization.Mar 11 04:38
msb_I wrote a program that used an area of memory to hold instructions created by a random number generator.  They could modify themselves, but the HALT instruction was not executed.  The display instruction had the X value in an index register and the Y value in the accumulator.  The random-execution program made displays that looked like EEG patterns!Mar 11 04:42
msb_The Ghost in the Machine!Mar 11 04:42
cubezzzso it's a rasterized display?Mar 11 04:42
cubezzzif so, it's one of the earliest onesMar 11 04:42
msb_Nope -- one dot at a time.Mar 11 04:42
msb_But the screen was fairly long persistence, and if there were 1000 dots or less it didn't flicker much.Mar 11 04:43
msb_I built a light-pen for it, so you could draw pictures and store them on the little magtapes.  Even make movies, sort of.Mar 11 04:44
msb_Originally it had 1K of 12-bit core, then they added a second K.Mar 11 04:45
cubezzzthat's tinyMar 11 04:45
msb_But it didn't have to support a GUI.  Just ran one program at a time, which you wrote in assembly language.  Mar 11 04:46
cubezzzI guess that would be assembly language only then?Mar 11 04:46
cubezzzah I seeMar 11 04:46
msb_But it was a very easy and efficient assembly language.  BASIC came later, on the PDP-8,Mar 11 04:47
msb_The instructions were designed for programming by general scientists and lab techs, not computer specialists.Mar 11 04:48
cubezzzinterestingMar 11 04:48
cubezzzI've dabbled with early DEC computers a bit, but not the LINCMar 11 04:49
msb_It came with an editor/assembler program, more or less curses-like.  You could insert lines.Mar 11 04:49
msb_The LINC was the most beautiful of all.Mar 11 04:49
cubezzzdid you ever work on a PDP-4?Mar 11 04:50
cubezzzthat's about the same eraMar 11 04:50
msb_It had analog input knobs, A/D and D/A convertors, and a plugin frame that could hold custom circuitry you'd build on perf boards.Mar 11 04:50
msb_No.Mar 11 04:50
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/pdp-4-trackball.pngMar 11 04:50
msb_LINC, PDP-8, LINC-8, PDP-12, PDP-6, PDP-10.Mar 11 04:51
cubezzzI've worked on PDP-10Mar 11 04:51
msb_Wow, huge screen!Mar 11 04:52
cubezzzDEC 340 display :)Mar 11 04:52
cubezzzwell before my time, but interestingMar 11 04:52
msb_I've used a $30 Logitech trackball for years. would never go back to a mouse.Mar 11 04:52
msb_We might have had one of those displays on the PDP-12.  At least it was big and round.  Still dot by dot.Mar 11 04:53
cubezzzvector 1024x1204 if I remember correctlyMar 11 04:54
cubezzz1024x1024Mar 11 04:54
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msb_I think ours was dots, not vectors, but I'm not sure now.Mar 11 04:55
msb_In any case  you had to be very careful in programming it not to burn a hole in the phosphor by repeatedly displaying a dot in one place.Mar 11 04:56
msb_Always kept a finger on the STOP switch until you knew there were no bugs that would do that.Mar 11 04:56
msb_During the Vietnam War, some big bosses came through and I displayed a peace symbol on the LINC screen that I had secretly prepared.Mar 11 04:59
msb_No flicker, medium-persistence green phosphor, about the same color used in The Matrix.Mar 11 05:00
cubezzzreminds me a bit of Commodore PETMar 11 05:01
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/superpet-apl2.pngMar 11 05:01
cubezzzthe PET had 8x8 characters though, so a bit more resolution than 4x6 :)Mar 11 05:03
cubezzzwikipedia says white or yellow phosphor, but those pics showed greenMar 11 05:05
msb_The 5 inch LINC display was definitely green.  I don't remember the color of the large round   PDP-12 display.Mar 11 05:07
msb_The PDP-12 had both LINC and PDP-8 instruction sets, and could switch between them.Mar 11 05:07
msb_It had a 5MB removable hard drive, that would scratch the head on the edge of the platter every time the cartridge was loaded.  But DEC denied it.Mar 11 05:09
cubezzzRK05?Mar 11 05:10
msb_Could be.  It was a single platter cartridge.Mar 11 05:10
msb_A Data General Eclipse computer I worked on had a 200MB HDD the size of a small coffin.  I fixed it using only a triggered-delay oscilloscope.Mar 11 05:12
cubezzzwhat language(s) did you use on the PDP-10?Mar 11 05:13
msb_Computing got to be real fun again when I got an IBM-PC with a color display.Mar 11 05:14
msb_Assembly and Fortran.  I was working on a machine to scan oscilloscope photographs into the computer.  Scanned them with a CRT and lens, and picked up the reflection with a photomultiplier tube.Mar 11 05:15
msb_The photos were of nanosecond phenomena, and the original signals were to fast to digitize.Mar 11 05:16
msb_The thing actually worked, powered by a PDP-8 networked to the PDP-6 or 10, and was callable from Fortran.Mar 11 05:17
msb_to fast --> too fastMar 11 05:18
msb_Light absorption in chlorophyll (spinach leaves) hit with a Q-switched ruby laser pulse.Mar 11 05:19
msb_The measure light was a xenon flash lamp powered by a multiple pi-section delay line, where the inductors were tunable with ferrite cores, enabling the light pulse to be flattened.Mar 11 05:20
msb_I was very proud of that measure light!Mar 11 05:20
cubezzzyou had an interesting job :)Mar 11 05:21
msb_A succession of them.Mar 11 05:21
msb_Research labs were much better to work in than the software companies I was in after them.  The scientists were rational.  The software managers were not.Mar 11 05:22
cubezzzsome work I did on tops-20:Mar 11 05:23
cubezzzhttp://apl.maxhost.org/apl-tops-20.txtMar 11 05:23
msb_Was/is that a successor to the PDP-10?Mar 11 05:24
msb_Or an OS?Mar 11 05:24
cubezzzwell tops-20 was the OS for DECSystem-20Mar 11 05:25
cubezzznot sure if that was the successor to PDP-10 thoughMar 11 05:25
msb_I think I had migrated to DG Nova/Eclipse, and then to 6502 satellites of them, and then IBM-PCs.Mar 11 05:26
cubezzzI guess it's still a PDP-10 thoughMar 11 05:26
msb_I had an idea for each lab setup to have a little 6502 machine with 4K or so of RAM, that could take data at high speed, store it, and feed it to the Eclipse central computer over a serial line.Mar 11 05:28
msb_It would have worked if they hadn't stopped me!  No, actually we built one 6502 satellite (based on a cheap kit), and it did work.Mar 11 05:29
cubezzzI think some of the DECSystem-20's had 1024 kilowords of ramMar 11 05:31
msb_I got circuit ideas for it from, I think Don Lancaster's monthly column in Popular Electronics.Mar 11 05:31
msb_A mighty megabyte!Mar 11 05:31
msb_Except I guess they were 36-bit words.Mar 11 05:32
cubezzzyes, pretty hefty :)Mar 11 05:32
cubezzzplus it had ethernet which is niceMar 11 05:34
msb_Better than RS-232!Mar 11 05:34
cubezzzthree-phase power, not something for the houseMar 11 05:35
cubezzzway too bigMar 11 05:35
msb_Cables under the floor.Mar 11 05:35
cubezzzI think there's a lot of source code kicking around though, and there's a pretty good emulator for itMar 11 05:36
msb_Eventually a Pentium PC beat it all to hell.  Such is the power of photolithography.Mar 11 05:36
cubezzzyou be surprised now much old stuff is open source nowMar 11 05:36
cubezzzx86 doesn't rule everythingMar 11 05:37
cubezzzIBM still makes mainframes :)Mar 11 05:37
msb_Yeah, but what do they have inside 'em?Mar 11 05:37
msb_Might be lots of multi-core x86s.Mar 11 05:38
msb_Often running Linux.Mar 11 05:38
cubezzzit's z10 these daysMar 11 05:38
msb_Proprietary IBM CPU?Mar 11 05:39
cubezzzlinux yes, but not x86Mar 11 05:39
cubezzzyeah it's an IBM microprocessor, came in around 2008Mar 11 05:40
msb_Didn't IBM contribute a billion dollars to improving Linux some years back?  Mar 11 05:41
cubezzzsome of the supercomputers are intel xeon thoughMar 11 05:42
cubezzzah, I think they didMar 11 05:42
cubezzzthere's still some anti-microsoft sentiment there :)Mar 11 05:42
msb_Good!Mar 11 05:42
cubezzzat least old IBM is actually open sourceMar 11 05:43
msb_"Data control and IBM -- science is mankind's brother!"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHC9NANKluUMar 11 05:44
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cubezzzold stuff like DMS and OS/360-MVT, you can get the source for itMar 11 05:44
cubezzzalso VM/370 Mar 11 05:45
cubezzzI'm an operating system aficionado :)Mar 11 05:46
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cubezzzcheck this rendering out:Mar 11 05:47
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-370-model-145.pngMar 11 05:47
msb_Wow, so that's computer generated, not a photo?  Mar 11 05:49
cubezzzyeahMar 11 05:49
msb_Very good!Mar 11 05:49
msb_Did DEC have some kind of windowing GUI that ran on Unix before X?Mar 11 05:50
cubezzzthere was the W Window SystemMar 11 05:50
msb_Doesn't ring any bells.  I think it was on DEC...Mar 11 05:51
cubezzznot sure if that ran on DEC thoughMar 11 05:51
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cubezzzbut it's the ancestor of XMar 11 05:51
msb_No, I think it was SunOS.Mar 11 05:51
msb_Easier to deal with than X.  Even I could understand it.Mar 11 05:52
msb_X I just have to take on faith.Mar 11 05:53
msb_Yes, I worked on Suns for a couple years.  Pizza boxes and such.Mar 11 05:54
cubezzzSunOS ran XMar 11 05:54
cubezzzxdm and all that stuffMar 11 05:55
msb_But didn't it have its own GUI before X?Mar 11 05:55
cubezzzmaybe really early on there was, not positive about thatMar 11 05:57
msb_"GUI environments bundled with earlier versions of SunOS included SunTools (later SunView)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunOS#User_interfaceMar 11 05:57
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cubezzzeven SunView ran on top of XMar 11 05:57
cubezzzso before that, maybeMar 11 05:57
msb_I think it was SunView.Mar 11 05:57
cubezzzremember, everyone got behind X around 1986 or soMar 11 05:58
cubezzzso before 1986 it's quite possible that they used something elseMar 11 05:58
msb_I wrote my own simple window system for PC-DOS in C.  Put up overlapping windows with text in them.Mar 11 05:58
msb_Never got around to graphics in the windows, though.Mar 11 05:59
cubezzzhere's some history of X:Mar 11 05:59
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/history-of-x.txtMar 11 05:59
cubezzzXerox had something before X Mar 11 06:02
msb_Thanks!  Time marches on.Mar 11 06:02
msb_Everything must be improved, whether it needs to be or not.Mar 11 06:02
cubezzzyeah, I think X is importantMar 11 06:02
cubezzzdevice independent graphics Mar 11 06:03
msb_Has that program come back that allows you to adjust X to your monitor, instead of relying on X's wrong automatic guesses?  I forget what it was called.Mar 11 06:04
msb_Also helped set up unusual input equipment like my trackball.Mar 11 06:05
cubezzzwell redhat had there redhat-config-xfree86 programMar 11 06:06
msb_Last time I upgraded Linux I had to get lots of hints and guesses from Suse IRC folks to make a center button by pushing left and right together.Mar 11 06:06
msb_Suse's had a different name.  8^)Mar 11 06:07
cubezzzin the somewhat olden days there was a package called XFree86-toolsMar 11 06:07
cubezzzso whatever was in thatMar 11 06:07
msb_I always keep all the config files and libs from the previous Linux in case I have to graft them onto the new one.Mar 11 06:08
msb_Bilkenstein's monster.Mar 11 06:09
cubezzzit's better to understand the text files thoughMar 11 06:09
cubezzzrather than rely on some gui thingamajigMar 11 06:10
msb_Well, yeah, I had to hack the X config files.Mar 11 06:10
cubezzzok, now I remember what I used to do...Mar 11 06:11
cubezzzXfree86 -configureMar 11 06:11
cubezzzthat barfs out a XF86Config text file :)Mar 11 06:11
msb_If the gui thingamajig works and writes the config files for me, that's fine.  I long ago realized that I can't understand everything in computers.  Even most things.Mar 11 06:12
cubezzzwell the source is there, but it's hard to absorb all of it :)Mar 11 06:12
cubezzzlearning everything about X is wading into deep waterMar 11 06:13
cubezzza lot of the young uns don't understand X too wellMar 11 06:13
msb_it was SaX2!  or maybe SaX or SaX3Mar 11 06:14
msb_a lot of the old uns don't either!Mar 11 06:14
cubezzzno one is saying learn the X protocol 100%, but some macro-level understanding is goodMar 11 06:14
msb_No doubt.Mar 11 06:15
msb_Hey, it gives us a hobby!Mar 11 06:16
cubezzzScheifler "borrowed" a lot of W code for XMar 11 06:18
cubezzzso MIT, DEC, IBM got together and helped build up XMar 11 06:19
msb_Betwen google, the previous version, and IRC, any problem can be solved.  Eventually.Mar 11 06:19
msb_Hey, ever since I blew the dust out of my cpu heatsink and such, and have kept moderate rein on Firefox, I haven't had another crash.  I love watching the cpu temperature graphs in the sys mon program!Mar 11 06:20
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msb_Yes, cooperation can create great things!Mar 11 06:21
cubezzzthe W window system ran under the V operating systemMar 11 06:22
cubezzzthat came out of StanfordMar 11 06:22
msb_I remember a tour through Stanford AI Lab, where they were all LISP fiends.Mar 11 06:23
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msb_Then I worked at a Stanford physics lab, that's where I used the Suns.Mar 11 06:24
cubezzzyeah there was Stanford LispMar 11 06:25
cubezzzthen MACLISPMar 11 06:26
msb_Even some kind of Sun 386s, that ran Unix.  They were kinda crashy.Mar 11 06:26
cubezzzand 4.3BSD had a lisp interpreterMar 11 06:26
cubezzzI was never a fan thoughMar 11 06:26
msb_When I first found out about lisp I thought it was god's primordial language.  But I never got into it, except the simplified version for programming the BRIEF editor.Mar 11 06:27
cubezzzand early Sun's did run W, IMar 11 06:27
cubezzzI'm just reading up on thatMar 11 06:27
msb_It was probably smarter than our previous president "W".Mar 11 06:28
cubezzzdon't malign the letter :)Mar 11 06:28
msb_It has to host Sesame Street.Mar 11 06:29
cubezzzah I found a pic of W:Mar 11 06:31
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/w-window-system.gifMar 11 06:32
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cubezzzwetscape looks like a web browserMar 11 06:33
msb_Yes!  Give W multiple named desktops and a taskbar, and I'd be happy with it.Mar 11 06:34
msb_And some apps, and a menu, and firefox, and...   well, KDE3!Mar 11 06:36
msb_Also mc -- I'd be lost without it.Mar 11 06:36
msb_Have more than 50 copies running.  Don't know why half of them don't show up in ps.Mar 11 06:39
cubezzzwhy so many?Mar 11 06:39
msb_20 desktops, 4-5 konsoles with mc in each.Mar 11 06:40
msb_All together they don't use more than a couple percent of my old cpu, so I leave them up, set to the directories of interest in each desktop.Mar 11 06:41
msb_I have an OS that could run 50 users out of this little PC.  Might as well load it up with mind helpers for little old me.Mar 11 06:42
msb_I remember when a PDP-11 timeshared for a whole university, or at least a college.  And my old dual core AMD is faster.Mar 11 06:45
msb_The human race will do great things, if we don't kill ourselves off.Mar 11 06:45
msb_I just read where some particle accelerator is going to be improved for even higher energies, where it might make a strangelet that would convert the entire planet and everything on it into a ball of seething crap.Mar 11 06:47
msb_Sane people would do that on a moon somewhere very far away.Mar 11 06:48
msb_Or maybe they would never do it.Mar 11 06:50
msb_I was thinking "another galaxy", but then it might ruin an entire galaxy.Mar 11 06:50
msb_Well, maybe natural processes create energies far above what we can ever reach.  I sure hope so.Mar 11 06:51
cubezzzyeah I don't think we can destroy galaxies :)Mar 11 06:52
cubezzzwe can't even put a guy on Mars yet :)Mar 11 06:52
msb_And if we can, we shouldn't.Mar 11 06:52
msb_I think we almost put Carrie-Anne Moss on Mars, but she stayed in orbit.Mar 11 06:53
cubezzzI never got mc working over ssh quite rightMar 11 06:55
msb_Ooh yeah!  Red Planet 2000Mar 11 06:56
cubezzzesc 0 works thoughMar 11 06:57
cubezzzthen esc esc to get out of a menuMar 11 06:57
msb_mc has a mailing list, maybe an irc channel.  You could ask.Mar 11 06:58
msb_They're also constantly improving it.  Or at least updating it.Mar 11 06:59
msb_I'm a cynic sometimes.Mar 11 07:00
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/PaYDgMar 11 07:00
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msb_I have never tweeted.Mar 11 07:02
msb_Never felt the urge.Mar 11 07:02
MinceRneither have iMar 11 07:03
MinceRi prefer StatusNet anyway :>Mar 11 07:03
MinceR(but i haven't used that either)Mar 11 07:03
msb_I'm more the puddy tat type.Mar 11 07:03
MinceRlolMar 11 07:03
cubezzzone of the problems is konsole uses f2 to make another instance of konsole Mar 11 07:04
cubezzzso that mucks things up for mcMar 11 07:05
cubezzzbut I think I've got it working OK nowMar 11 07:05
cubezzzmc -a Mar 11 07:05
msb_My version of console doesn't respond to F keys at allMar 11 07:06
msb_Which is  probably a good thing, in case I hit one by mistake.Mar 11 07:06
msb_console --> konsoleMar 11 07:06
MinceRiirc the hotkeys of konsole are configurableMar 11 07:07
cubezzzyeah I probably changed something at some pointMar 11 07:07
cubezzzmy setup is rather elaborateMar 11 07:07
msb_In an episode of some anime' the bad guy has captured the good guy and is going to illustrate his fate with a computer program.  But he has to say, "Wait a minute -- I have a lot of add-ons"Mar 11 07:10
cubezzzmsb_, you probably don't want to watch this:Mar 11 07:10
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_ApocalypseMar 11 07:10
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cubezzza bit of a ex deus machina at the end :)Mar 11 07:12
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msb__goddamit, crashed againMar 11 07:21
msb__not heat, wasn't doing too much with firefoxMar 11 07:22
msb__unless it's bad memory, I'm gonna have to spend $800+ for an 8x times faster computer that I don't need.Mar 11 07:22
msb__Now I have to set up all those konsoles and mcs (as I use them)Mar 11 07:23
msb__It was that Quantum Apocalypse movie!  Looking it up stranged out my computer!Mar 11 07:26
cubezzzlolMar 11 07:29
cubezzzwhy don't you buy an old box with a p3 coppermine cpuMar 11 07:30
cubezzzI've had uptimes over a year with thoseMar 11 07:30
cubezzzheat is the enemy, less heat means greater reliabilityMar 11 07:32
msb__http://hf.dilbert.com/2014-03-10/Mar 11 07:36
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msb__My computer has been cool ever since I blew the dust out a couple days ago.  The temp sensors say so.Mar 11 07:37
msb__I used to have uptimes over a year too, except for power outages.Mar 11 07:38
msb__When my cpu or mobo goes out, which is about every 5-8 years, I get a new 'puter that's about 8 times faster, and is, not state of the art, but at the sweet spot / cheap spot.Mar 11 07:41
msb__About $150 each for cpu, mobo, ram, case, psu.Mar 11 07:42
msb__That movie has an imdb rating of 3.0, and the review is titled "Unbelievably awful *#@*!$&".Mar 11 07:46
msb__"A group of talented but rebellious 'rock-star scientists'"  Mar 11 07:48
msb__WTF is a rock-star scientist?Mar 11 07:48
msb__I may even watch it instead of watching Carrie-Anne Moss deal with some severe emergencies in Mars orbit, and even take a shower.Mar 11 07:50
msb__I'm gonna get you for this cubezzz!Mar 11 07:50
MinceRit's an astrophysicist specialized on rocks and stars, i guessMar 11 07:51
msb__And according to the wiki article, they kill the thing by shooting a nuclear missile at it.  Couldn't they just once piss on it or something, which would start a catalytic reaction and destroy it?Mar 11 07:53
msb__Hmm, the Earth is saved by the autistic brother Terry.  Maybe he does piss on the thing.Mar 11 07:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Best Social Music Apps for AndroidMar 11 07:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google will soon launch Android developer SDKMar 11 07:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Makulu, Ubuntu, and Red HatMar 11 07:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chinese phone maker Meizu arrives in FranceMar 11 07:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Social Music Apps for Android | Tux MachinesMar 11 07:57
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msb__"Social music"  The mind boggles.Mar 11 08:00
MinceRhttp://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/picdump-1056-2-1.jpgMar 11 08:10
cubezzzmsb_, my server is from 1998 :)Mar 11 08:20
msb__cubezzz: Very good!  Supposedly there was some Linux server in an out-of-the-way place that got plastered over and lost for many years until someone tracked the cables to it.  And it was still running.Mar 11 08:45
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MinceRhttp://img.izismile.com/img/img7/20140310/1000/daily_gifdump_571_14.gifMar 11 10:27
SosumiEA, a company much worst than valveMar 11 10:47
Sosumi*worseMar 11 10:48
Sosumispecially at gouging its customersMar 11 10:48
Sosumiis launching titanfall for 79€Mar 11 10:48
SosumilolMar 11 10:48
SosumiI just don't get the price hikes on gamesMar 11 10:49
Sosumicompared to past gen and the generation beforeMar 11 10:50
Sosumiand even less when the distribution method is digitalMar 11 10:50
Sosumiand no one gets to own the game at allMar 11 10:50
Sosumiit's just an indefinite leaseMar 11 10:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Microsoft to cut on software development, focusMar 11 10:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     My New Linux Ultrabook: The ASUS ZenbookMar 11 10:56
TweetTuxMachines                 UX301LA-DH71T http://t.co/SnfwfmlS9TMar 11 10:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft to cut on software development, focus on ads | Tux MachinesMar 11 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My New Linux Ultrabook: The ASUS Zenbook UX301LA-DH71T | Tux MachinesMar 11 10:56
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Sosumialso, on the anniversary of the gozilla quake in japanMar 11 11:14
Sosumijaps want to boast ties with poortugalMar 11 11:14
Sosumiaka ship their radioactive produce hereMar 11 11:15
Sosumi*boostMar 11 11:15
Sosumidamm fingers hitting the wrong keysMar 11 11:15
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Sosumias for m$, I had said itMar 11 11:42
SosumiSatya Nutella was part of the Balmer echo chamberMar 11 11:42
Sosumiso it was expected for them to continue following their strategy into the abyssMar 11 11:42
Sosumiinstead of focusing on softwareMar 11 11:43
Sosumiand leaving things like search and adds as a hobby projectMar 11 11:44
MinceRgeekingsMar 11 12:03
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MinceRhttp://therearenosunglasses.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/cartoon-44.jpgMar 11 12:53
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Sosumiand now is the CIA on the newsMar 11 13:47
Sosumiwell but not with as much coverage as the NSA has been gettingMar 11 13:47
Sosumithanks to the CIA agent SnowdenMar 11 13:48
Sosumiit is quite obvious that the NSA and CIA weren't conceived to spy on each otherMar 11 13:48
Sosumibut the CIA would have a lot to gain if the NSA got heavily crippled or dissolvedMar 11 13:49
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genome26I really hate reading planet gnome these daysMar 11 13:50
Sosumialso the malasya airlines planeMar 11 13:50
genome26it's always so full of pro-Mono crapMar 11 13:50
Sosumican be found in a dirac sea near youMar 11 13:50
Sosumi:)Mar 11 13:50
Sosumithen don't use gnomeMar 11 13:50
genome26have you seen this? http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2014/03/gmime-gets-speed-boost.htmlMar 11 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com | A Moment of Zen: GMime gets a Speed Boost [ http://ur1.ca/gtezs ]Mar 11 13:51
genome26at first, you're reading along and think "hey, this is cool"Mar 11 13:51
genome26and then the author goes and has to pimp out Mono saying it's faster than native codeMar 11 13:52
Sosumino-mono and seriously no clangMar 11 13:52
genome26why do the gnomne people tolerate this insolence?Mar 11 13:52
Sosumino ideaMar 11 13:53
MinceRthe gnome people have apparently accepted mono alreadyMar 11 13:53
MinceRafaik tomboy is (or at least was) an official part of gnomeMar 11 13:53
MinceRthat's a big wtf in itselfMar 11 13:53
Sosumi.net makes no sense on linuxMar 11 13:54
genome26yeaMar 11 13:54
Sosumias it doesn't make any sense to use llvm/clang on gnu/linux eitherMar 11 13:55
Sosumiclang is in fact the apple fork of llvmMar 11 13:55
MinceRi thought it was a compiler for llvmMar 11 13:56
MinceRthat turned c[++?] code into whatever bytecode llvm runsMar 11 13:56
Sosumiyes, thatMar 11 13:57
Sosumisry the last time I used xcode it still run gccMar 11 13:57
Sosumi*ranMar 11 13:57
genome26I didn't even know what clang or llvm wasMar 11 13:58
genome26I heard of them before but forgotMar 11 13:59
Sosumimono, llvm, clang = things to shove into the garbage binMar 11 13:59
genome26yea, and add gmime to that list tooMar 11 14:01
Sosumialso for the folks looking into the sharp 4k displayMar 11 14:01
Sosumistay away from it likeMar 11 14:01
genome26now that I know a pro-mono moron is behind itMar 11 14:02
genome26I think my news reader uses it unfortunatelyMar 11 14:02
genome26which is the only gnome program I use anymoreMar 11 14:02
Sosumiit easily burns and under display port multistream you lose display synch, forcing the display to restart itselfMar 11 14:03
Sosumisame can be expected for the asus rebrandMar 11 14:04
Sosumias it uses the same igzo panelMar 11 14:04
MinceRSosumi: so, is llvm bad also?Mar 11 14:04
Sosumillvm is mainly bad for not being gplMar 11 14:04
Sosumiso instead of diverging focus to itMar 11 14:04
Sosumithe focus should be directed into making gcc the bestMar 11 14:05
MinceRicMar 11 14:05
genome26the llvm website smears gdb saying its slow compared to theirsMar 11 14:10
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Sosumipropaganda, propaganda, propagandaMar 11 15:31
Sosumialso, crytek finished porting cryengine to linuxMar 11 15:31
Sosumibut no idea if that includes the entire sdkMar 11 15:31
Sosumifromwhat I've seen beforeMar 11 15:32
Sosumicryengine sdk could be ordered to output the rendered sandbox on a target platformMar 11 15:33
Sosumisay, the ps3 or osxMar 11 15:33
Sosumibut the sdk itself was windows onlyMar 11 15:33
Sosumijust like the unreal sdkMar 11 15:34
Sosumiso, support may be just for distribution, instead of the full fledged sdkMar 11 15:35
Sosumiwhich is unfortunateMar 11 15:35
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFCWell, a damaged ego can cause people to keep insisting that they're right even after it's been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they were wrong.Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFCAt this point, they have their honor invested in the Big Lie, and don't want to back out of it because it would force them to admit that they were deceived.Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFCPeople who are the victims of medical quackery like megadoses of herbs and vitamins who do not improve will tell other people that they did in order to save face.Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFCMy grandparents got involved in some pyramid schemes back in the 90s, and lost over $10,000. They were telling people that they were in on some hot investment opportunities, even while they were losing their shirts.Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFCI remember two schemes by name that my grandparents got in on in the 90s.Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFCOne was called Destiny Telecommunications. You got in by paying some money to be a "sales consultant" and sell phone cards to people. It turned out that the phone cards only had 20-30 minutes on them, even the ones that said they were good for several hours. The people running the scam did go to prison, as I recall, but the nature of those scams is that by the time the FBI busts them, there's almost never any money left, and the victims get back Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFCpennies on the dollar.Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFCThe other one they got taken by was called "King's Vitamins", which was going around recruiting people at churches to sell their vitamins.Mar 11 15:48
DaemonFCMy grandparents got in so deep with King's Vitamins that they fell behind on their payments on their Cadillac car and had a repo company come take it back. To save face, they insisted to everyone who asked where the Cadillac went that "the engine burned up". Mar 11 15:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CryEngine to fully support LinuxMar 11 16:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/YeUyvrQwdaMar 11 16:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CryEngine to fully support Linux | Tux MachinesMar 11 16:29
Sosumino confirmation if it is just as the final product or also the sdkMar 11 16:42
SosumiDaemonFC, never heard about social darwinism?Mar 11 16:44
Sosumiit is thatMar 11 16:44
Sosumiyou just describedMar 11 16:44
DaemonFCGreed.Mar 11 16:48
DaemonFCThat movie "The Flim Flam Man" was a good one.Mar 11 16:48
DaemonFCThe con man said "You can't cheat an honest man."Mar 11 16:49
DaemonFCPeople that fall for con games are looking to get ahead even though they really know that something's not right.Mar 11 16:49
DaemonFCAnyone who promises to triple your money is sending up a huge red flag.Mar 11 16:50
Sosumiagain, social darwinismMar 11 16:52
Sosumipreying upon the weekMar 11 16:52
Sosumi*weakMar 11 16:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat fast-tracks Docker apps for EnterpriseMar 11 17:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/IxEvXoAax1Mar 11 17:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Is Ubuntu Animosity Misplaced?Mar 11 17:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CeBIT: Ubuntu smartphones to cost between $200Mar 11 17:09
TweetTuxMachines                 and $400 http://t.co/hSGWGvUwBOMar 11 17:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is Ubuntu Animosity Misplaced? | Tux MachinesMar 11 17:10
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DaemonFCohhhMar 11 17:50
DaemonFCMesa 10.0 just got backported to Fedora 20.Mar 11 17:50
DaemonFC10.0.3Mar 11 17:50
DaemonFChttp://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.htmlMar 11 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mesa3d.org | Mesa Release NotesMar 11 17:51
DaemonFChttp://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.1.htmlMar 11 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mesa3d.org | Mesa Release Notes [ http://ur1.ca/gth1s ]Mar 11 17:51
DaemonFChttp://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.2.htmlMar 11 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mesa3d.org | Mesa Release Notes [ http://ur1.ca/gth1t ]Mar 11 17:51
DaemonFChttp://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/10.0.3.htmlMar 11 17:51
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cubezzzyes, flash is still a problemMar 11 19:10
cubezzzit's used to hide stuffMar 11 19:11
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sebsebsebhiMar 11 19:19
cubezzzadobe changed flash 10.1 so a lot of the ways to capture video wouldn't workMar 11 19:23
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cubezzzthus flash >= 11 is a pain to deal withMar 11 19:24
DaemonFCI posted this on Amazon in regard to Apple and Microsoft's patent trolling of Android:Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFCI just don't want to see Android and Firefox OS chased off the market by devices from Microsoft and Apple that really aren't all that good at all.Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFCEven the minimal improvements that Microsoft and Apple make between generations of phones would slow or stop if there was no Android challenging them, and moving the technology forward.Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFCIt would be like that time where Internet Explorer 6 had 97% of the browser market, and Microsoft openly declared that it would be the last major version of Internet Explorer ever. They were just going to stop and leave people with Internet Explorer 6 forever with basically no improvements.Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFCThey even backed up that announcement by firing 90% of the IE team. Then they sneered at Firefox and let it get about 10 years ahead of Internet Explorer before they did anything about it at all.Mar 11 19:57
DaemonFCThis is what companies like Microsoft and Apple do when there's nobody moving the game forward.Mar 11 19:57
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msb__Regarding: "<DaemonFC> People who are the victims of medical quackery like megadoses of herbs and vitamins who do not improve will tell other people that they did in order to save face."Mar 11 20:22
msb__It's important to know that what is called "megadose" of Vitamin C really is not.  Mar 11 20:23
msb__The govt RDA of vit C is about 200mg, which is enough to prevent scurvy and some other severe deficiency diseases, but it is nowhere near the amount that we need.Mar 11 20:24
msb__When we were living in trees we lost the last enzyme in the chain that makes ascorbic acid, because we were getting several grams/day from fruit.Mar 11 20:25
cubezzzmsb_, I got something for youMar 11 20:26
cubezzzcomputerworld from 1972Mar 11 20:26
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/cw-1972-may-03.tar.gzMar 11 20:26
msb__Animals other than great apes (and maybe guinea pigs) make about 5 grams/day when healthy, and up to 70grams/day when they have a viral infection.Mar 11 20:26
cubezzzhow much vitamin C should we per day?Mar 11 20:28
cubezzzshould we takeMar 11 20:29
msb__3 metric tonsMar 11 20:29
msb__No, actually about 5 grams/day.Mar 11 20:29
msb__Or if you're feeling low, 5 grams twice a day.Mar 11 20:31
cubezzzyeah it's hard to know if your getting enough nutrition from the food you eatMar 11 20:32
msb__Generally you're not, and it's worth a buck a day or so to take supplements.Mar 11 20:34
msb__fish oil, various antioxidants, Bs, C, ubiquinol, sublingual B12, minerals, A (carotene), D3,...Mar 11 20:35
msb__Especially as one gets older and doesn't make or absorb nutrients that we used to.Mar 11 20:36
msb__Like B12.  Very important, but useless orally, except under the tongue.Mar 11 20:37
msb__That's why middle-aged an older people get B12 shots.  But sublingual is just as good.Mar 11 20:39
Sosumiwell, I think I jst overdosed myself with vit cMar 11 20:45
msb__cubezzz: What should I be looking for in those computerworld pages?Mar 11 20:45
msb__Sosumi: How much did you take?Mar 11 20:46
cubezzzactually that issue isn't terribly interestingMar 11 20:46
cubezzztry this one:Mar 11 20:46
msb__Less than 1 metric ton is safe.Mar 11 20:46
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/cw-1979-dec-24.tar.gzMar 11 20:46
Sosumi4 oranges and a ton of strawberriesMar 11 20:46
Sosumiand a couple slices of pineappleMar 11 20:46
Sosumiand 5 applesMar 11 20:47
cubezzzmsb__, I just find looking at historical computer info is interestingMar 11 20:47
msb__Sosumi: That amount of C won't hurt you certainly, probably 60 grams at once wouldn't, although it might give you a stomache ache and diarearia.Mar 11 20:48
SosumiI was just jokingMar 11 20:48
SosumiI eat that everydayMar 11 20:49
msb__Speaking of which, I'd stay near a toilet for a couple of days, or wear diapers.Mar 11 20:49
Sosumiwith no issues at allMar 11 20:49
Sosumiin order to replenish my vitamin stock from the abuses of the dayMar 11 20:49
Sosumispecially the ones that come associated with weight liftingMar 11 20:49
msb__Trouble is, you'd have to eat a very wide variety of foods to get the trace nutrients you need.  Much easier with pills.Mar 11 20:50
SosumiI've tried thatMar 11 20:51
msb__Sosumi: I guess if you lift weights your anal sphincter is very strong?Mar 11 20:51
Sosumibut ended up having stomach disconfortMar 11 20:52
msb__From what?Mar 11 20:52
Sosumivit supplementsMar 11 20:52
Sosumieven the weaker onesMar 11 20:52
cubezzzI hate taking pills with lots of iron in themMar 11 20:53
cubezzzthey taste really grossMar 11 20:53
msb__Eat them with a little food.Mar 11 20:53
Sosumiho but I didMar 11 20:53
msb__iron is bad for you unless you're low in hemoglobinMar 11 20:53
msb__Sosumi: never heard that from anyone else, except a few with stomach upset from Vit. C.  Which you can eliminate by neutralizing its acidity with CaCO3 or MgCO3.Mar 11 20:55
Sosumiwell, I'm an anomaly :)Mar 11 20:55
Sosumibut I try to compensate it through foodMar 11 20:56
Sosumiand it has been okMar 11 20:56
msb__Like the weird surgeon said, "Suture self."Mar 11 20:57
Sosumi*german accent* Suit YourselfMar 11 20:58
Sosumimuch coolerMar 11 20:58
msb__cubezzz: Old mainframes don't do much for me, but old minis, micros, kits, etc, do, 'cause that's what I worked with.Mar 11 21:00
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msb__about 10 years ago, a friend told me he had congestive heart failure and was gonna die in a few months.Mar 11 21:04
msb__I got him on Co-Q10 and carnitine, and all his symptoms disappeared.  He's alive and healthy to this day.Mar 11 21:04
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msb__See the Vit C, rheumatic, and cancer pages linked in the pink section of my site cosmicpenguin.com.Mar 11 21:12
msb__Alternative medicine can be very helpful.Mar 11 21:13
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msb__Also unknown viruses that get in the tissues used for virus production.  Like monkey cancer viruses in the polio vaccines that cause a 3x increase in soft-tissue cancers.Mar 11 21:38
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SosumiI thought that they used eggs to incubate the virusesMar 11 21:39
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msb__Some, not all.  And most still contain mercury.Mar 11 21:41
msb__Very bad for the brain, if you care.Mar 11 21:41
Sosumiyes I knowMar 11 21:41
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Sosumithat was I mentioned at first the issue with the adjuvantsMar 11 21:41
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msb__sure.  Also aluminum and squalene, which can cause autoimmune disease.Mar 11 21:42
msb__Al causes alzheimers.Mar 11 21:42
MinceRi wonder what the proof for that isMar 11 21:43
MinceRand if it's even relevant to the dosage present in vaccines at allMar 11 21:43
MinceRnot to mention what compound that "mercury" and "aluminum" is present inMar 11 21:43
msb__In the 90s, a bunch of kidney patients got dialized against tapwater with high Al content.  They got very fast alzheimers.  Also the characteristic "neurofibrillary tangles" in Alz brains have 80x as much Al in them as other tissues.Mar 11 21:45
msb__dialyzedMar 11 21:45
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msb__Duplicated by injecting rats.Mar 11 21:46
msb__As to quantity and compound, I don't want *any* thank you very much.Mar 11 21:47
Sosumithe aluminum thing is trueMar 11 21:47
Sosumias for the concentration of adverse adjuvants on the vaccineMar 11 21:47
Sosumino ideaMar 11 21:47
Sosumibut I agree on being safer than sorryMar 11 21:48
Sosumibut given portugal's vaccination programMar 11 21:48
msb__Here's a fun read:  http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970914&slug=2560362Mar 11 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-community.seattletimes.nwsource.com | Business | Scientist's Death Traced To Seemingly Trifling Mishap -- Tiny Drop Of Mercury Spilled In Chemistry Lab Proves Deadly | Seattle Times Newspaper [ http://ur1.ca/gtj3m ]Mar 11 21:48
Sosumithere is nothing to worry abountMar 11 21:48
SosumiI know aboutMar 11 21:49
msb__nothing to worry about...  nothing to worry about...  nothing to worry about...  Mar 11 21:50
MinceR"tapwater with high Al content" is very different from "vaccine containing thiomersal"Mar 11 21:50
MinceR224715 < msb__> As to quantity and compound, I don't want *any* thank you very much.Mar 11 21:50
MinceRsee, this has nothing to do with the scientific methodMar 11 21:50
MinceRor modern medicine.Mar 11 21:51
msb__Of course, two different poisons.Mar 11 21:51
MinceRalso, apparently thiomersal was already phased out of many vaccinesMar 11 21:51
MinceReven though there's no convincing evidence about the harmMar 11 21:51
MinceRand pretty much everything is a poison, in the right doseMar 11 21:52
MinceRso dosage _is_ importantMar 11 21:52
MinceRfor example, oxygen can be poisonous at too high doses, but try living without itMar 11 21:52
MinceRas for vaccines, the proper way to determine risk would probably be via real clinical trial, not speculation based on what element was found where.Mar 11 21:53
MinceRapparently in the case of O2, pressure is important as well as concentrationMar 11 21:53
MinceR(space suits use low pressure pure O2)Mar 11 21:54
MinceRwater can be poisonous as wellMar 11 21:54
MinceRetc.Mar 11 21:54
msb__So can stupidity.Mar 11 21:54
MinceRnot in the same senseMar 11 21:54
Sosumiplay nice folksMar 11 21:58
MinceRalso, thiomersal will probably not harm you. but pertussis will kill you. :>Mar 11 21:59
MinceRand so will TBC.Mar 11 22:00
Sosumijust remember what dalton saidMar 11 22:00
Sosumieverything is poison and nothing is poisonMar 11 22:00
Sosumiit's just a matter of quantityMar 11 22:00
MinceR:>Mar 11 22:01
SosumignMar 11 22:02
MinceRo/Mar 11 22:02
MinceRsqualene is (allegedly) mostly used for non-human vaccines and might even be beneficialMar 11 22:03
MinceRalso, squalene is a vital part of the synthesis of sterols, including cholesterol and vitamin D -- so the "Al in water => Al is evil" theory would mean no vitamin D or lipoproteins for you :>Mar 11 22:08
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MinceRhttp://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aEwO0Ln_460sa.gifMar 11 22:41
msb__MinceR: what is TBC?Mar 11 23:26
MinceRoops, they call it TB in englishMar 11 23:28
MinceRtuberculosisMar 11 23:28
MinceRgnMar 11 23:31
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msb__I have done extensive trials on Vit C for viruses -- 50 years on myself for colds and flu, a couple of cats, and a 5-year old with measles (of course with doses scaled to body weight).  In all cases there was relief of symptoms within 1-3 hours, and eventual return of symptoms a few hours after that, whereupon I began continuous treatment for a few days.  Mar 12 01:45
msb__Since the cats and kid didn't know what they were getting, that was a blind experiment.  I've also given it to various adults, with the same results.Mar 12 01:47
msb__The results all agreed with the findings of Cathcart, Pauling, Klenner (who consistently cured polio with C), and others,  I regard the action of C against viral infections as proven beyond doubt.Mar 12 01:49
msb__Too bad MinceR has gone, I'm sure he would disagree!Mar 12 01:50
msb__Incidentally, testing of new drugs in the US is done by the manufacturer, not by the FDA.  Mar 12 01:52
msb__Once upon a time, I was involved in the testing of a medical device that was already being sold.  I found that it could kill the patient.  Did the mfr tell the FDA?  No, they fired me.Mar 12 01:53
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DaemonFCWinter Storm Vulcan is about to pass over me.Mar 12 04:39
msb__A wonderful song!  I just posted the lyrics in a comment.  Please read them while listening to the song:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_LxlUXnthwMar 12 05:14
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msb__DaemonFC: Vulcan??  Is it a Hot Hail storm?  That's Ming the Merciless attacking!Mar 12 05:16
msb__If only we could block the rays from his Nitron Lamp!Mar 12 05:17
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/LandDestroyer/status/443573981962985472Mar 12 06:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LandDestroyer: Ukraine: How to Hide a Nazi Army http://t.co/hfxz6DS7H2 #Russia #Ukraine #NATO #EU #US #LGBT #Bigotry #Racism http://t.co/PbAfAF7bLjMar 12 06:11
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MinceRmsb__: wow, a sample of 2 people and a few cats. surely that must measure up to real clinical trials!Mar 12 06:46
MinceRnot to mention double-blind testingMar 12 06:46
msb__MinceR: dozens of people and dozens of times on me.Mar 12 06:58
DaemonFCschestowitz: http://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/valve-has-posted-their-direct3d-to-opengl-translation-layer-onto-github.3248/Mar 12 07:00
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msb__The only clinical trials by FDA -related orgs used only about 2 grams of C/day and so found no effect.  But the ghouls are very eager to ban it.  For our own good of course.Mar 12 07:01
msb__Klenner cured lots of children of polio.Mar 12 07:01
MinceRban it?Mar 12 07:04
MinceRisn't vitamin c available over the counter?Mar 12 07:04
DaemonFCMinceR: Yes. In several forms.Mar 12 07:05
DaemonFCYou should take Ester-C if you want to take more than the RDA and don't want to risk developing kidney stones though.Mar 12 07:06
MinceRi wasn't aware of that riskMar 12 07:06
DaemonFChttp://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/high-dose-vitamin-c-linked-to-kidney-stones-in-men-201302055854Mar 12 07:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.health.harvard.edu | High-dose vitamin C linked to kidney stones in men - Harvard Health Blog - Harvard Health Publications [ http://ur1.ca/gtnzz ]Mar 12 07:07
DaemonFCMinceR: Kidney stones are incredibly painful.Mar 12 07:12
DaemonFCThat and diarrhea are the only two proven health effects of massive vitamin C doses.Mar 12 07:12
DaemonFC:PMar 12 07:12
MinceR:>Mar 12 07:12
DaemonFCMinceR: This should tell you how fat people are getting.Mar 12 07:13
DaemonFCThe government suggests "making water more appealing".Mar 12 07:13
DaemonFCYour internal organs fail without it, and then you die.Mar 12 07:14
DaemonFCIs water appealing enough now? :)Mar 12 07:14
MinceRi think they mean it as opposed to beverages with sugar, which are also mostly water :>Mar 12 07:14
DaemonFCOne can of Coke has 14 tablespoons of sugar in it.Mar 12 07:16
DaemonFC:PMar 12 07:16
DaemonFCerrMar 12 07:16
DaemonFCteaspoonsMar 12 07:16
*DaemonFC should really go to bedMar 12 07:16
MinceR:)Mar 12 07:16
DaemonFCit's disgustingly sweetMar 12 07:17
DaemonFCI don't know how people drink it.Mar 12 07:17
DaemonFCI'd rather have water any day.Mar 12 07:17
DaemonFChttp://gawker.com/man-calls-911-after-hostile-22-pound-cat-traps-family-1541215196Mar 12 07:17
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DaemonFCHe kicked the cat in the butt.Mar 12 07:18
DaemonFCBig mistake!Mar 12 07:18
DaemonFC:)Mar 12 07:18
schestowitz__lolMar 12 07:18
schestowitz__"there is a giant cat in my house"Mar 12 07:18
schestowitz__operator: "tiger?"Mar 12 07:18
MinceRit's not disgustingly sweet because all that sugar is balanced somewhat by carbonic acid and phosphoric acid :>Mar 12 07:18
DaemonFCCalling 911 over a housecat...Mar 12 07:21
MinceRi wasn't aware that meowing was a signal of hostility :>Mar 12 07:21
DaemonFCIt's hard to imagine Jabba ever acting like that.Mar 12 07:22
DaemonFCHe sleeps on my arm usually. He's a good cat.Mar 12 07:22
DaemonFCHe curls up on my lap and watches tv with me.Mar 12 07:23
DaemonFCHe actually does pay attention to what's on the tv.Mar 12 07:23
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msb__According to the article, "high" dose C raises the incidence of kidney stones in men from 1% to 2%.  99% of men who take it and 100% of women, have no increased kidney stones.Mar 12 08:14
msb__The article lies when it says there are no health benefits.  My site links to several, and Cathcart's to even more.Mar 12 08:15
msb__"Ester-CMar 12 08:16
msb__The name "Ester-C" is a lie.  I've looked at the package.  It's calcium ascorbate, exactly what you don't want to take if your body is unusually good at converting ascorbate to oxalate, which forms kidney stones with Ca.Mar 12 08:17
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MinceRhttp://www.cityam.com/article/1394504131/venezuela-s-mad-socialist-experiment-destroying-nationMar 12 15:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cityam.com | Venezuela’s mad socialist experiment is destroying a nation | City A.M. [ http://ur1.ca/gtshi ]Mar 12 15:00
MinceRso much for that dream worldMar 12 15:00
Sosumiwhen is taken to the extremesMar 12 15:04
SosumiyesMar 12 15:04
Sosumijust like the USMar 12 15:04
MinceRthey can't even provide enough toilet paper to their people^WserfsMar 12 15:07
SosumiwellMar 12 15:08
Sosumithere are tent cities in the US with people that dropped out of the labor market and can't find a jobMar 12 15:08
Sosumiwhich don't even account for the unemployment %Mar 12 15:08
Sosumisame also happens in japanMar 12 15:09
Sosumiwith cardboard citiesMar 12 15:09
Sosumiit is like I just saidMar 12 15:09
Sosumiwhen certain things are taken to the extremeMar 12 15:09
Sosumino good outcome can come out of thatMar 12 15:09
Sosumidid I forget detroit?Mar 12 15:10
MinceRmaybe the turbo-republicans will succeed at destroying the economy to the point where they can sell cheap labor like the PRC does now :>Mar 12 15:10
Sosumicheap labor?Mar 12 15:10
Sosumimore like sweat shop laborMar 12 15:10
MinceRindeed.Mar 12 15:10
MinceRmodern slaveryMar 12 15:10
Sosumithose folks don't even earn the required money to buy what they manufactureMar 12 15:11
Sosumiand then you have companiesMar 12 15:11
Sosumiputting 90% markups on productsMar 12 15:11
Sosumihey, like apple doesMar 12 15:11
Sosumiwhich is an exaggerationMar 12 15:13
Sosumiother companies do that too, just to sound premiumMar 12 15:14
Sosumilike samsung was doing with the galaxy s4Mar 12 15:14
Sosumiby releasing it at the same price as the iphoneMar 12 15:14
Sosumito them lower the price by 200€ in 2 monthsMar 12 15:15
MinceRbecause the idiotic buyers believe that the hypePhone is premium and that it's worth its priceMar 12 15:17
Sosumibut the s4 isn't premium eitherMar 12 15:17
MinceRat least the s4 is a smartphoneMar 12 15:17
MinceRand a high-end one at that, iircMar 12 15:17
Sosumione is a piece of crippled crap with fancy looksMar 12 15:17
MinceRi wonder if samsung is still pushing region lockingMar 12 15:18
Sosumithe other is turd made of plastic that doesn't get the updates at the same time google updates androidMar 12 15:18
Sosumiand yesMar 12 15:18
Sosumithe region lockingMar 12 15:18
Sosumiwhich makes no senseMar 12 15:18
MinceRonly nexus devices get the updates when google updates androidMar 12 15:18
MinceRand there are good reasons for some of the delaysMar 12 15:18
Sosumibut samsung could at least use a metallic frame on their phones to add some resistance to screenMar 12 15:20
Sosumijust in case someone accidentally sited on the phoneMar 12 15:20
Sosumior applied some pressureMar 12 15:20
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Sosumior at least make the phone bulkyMar 12 15:21
Sosumiif they must indeed use plasticMar 12 15:21
Sosumiit is just bad that the htc is kind of going underMar 12 15:21
Sosumisimply because the htc one is kind of the model to followMar 12 15:22
msb__http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855Mar 12 15:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Venezuela: Regime Change, Destabilization and the Hidden Hands of U.S. Capitalism | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqssp ]Mar 12 15:24
MinceRhow do metal frames do in drop tests?Mar 12 15:25
Sosumithey get scratchesMar 12 15:25
MinceRsure, but does the display stay in one piece, does the phone keep working?Mar 12 15:26
MinceRall the drop tests i've seen resulted in an unusable phoneMar 12 15:26
Sosumino ideaMar 12 15:26
SosumiI just mentioned into resistance to deformationMar 12 15:26
Sosumifrom sitting on the top of the phoneMar 12 15:27
Sosumiand even if the phone is made of plasticMar 12 15:27
Sosumithose smartphonesa with big screenMar 12 15:27
msb__US support for fascist groups in Venezuela, and US media lying that the V govt is the source of the violence is the same strategy that the US just used in Ukraine.Mar 12 15:27
SosumiI recomend to never let them fallMar 12 15:27
Sosumivenezuela, US sponsored opposition promoting distabilization and bolivar governement not being of much help to the future survival of the countryMar 12 15:29
Sosumiof which in my opinion, was modeled after chaves personalityMar 12 15:29
Sosumiand dies with himMar 12 15:29
Sosumi*diedMar 12 15:29
msb__Sadly, MinceR favors the US and the internal fascists in both cases, posting an article calling socialism a "mad experiment", and in his comment, a "dream world".Mar 12 15:30
Sosumisocialism is a mad experimentMar 12 15:30
msb__Capitalism that is not severely regulated is a murderous psychopath experiment.Mar 12 15:31
Sosumibut so is anarcho/neo/degenerate-liberal and libertarian capitalismMar 12 15:32
msb__same thingMar 12 15:32
Sosumithat is why when it comes to those thingsMar 12 15:32
msb__...capitalism that is not severely regulatedMar 12 15:32
SosumiI recommend the balanced approachMar 12 15:33
msb__Social democracy works.Mar 12 15:33
Sosumiwith the required regulations and safety nets so that no one gets the shaftMar 12 15:33
msb__So does democratic socialism when it isn't attacked by fascists.Mar 12 15:34
Sosumiand if they do get the shaft, well, at least try to minize the damage doneMar 12 15:34
msb__Sosumi: yesMar 12 15:34
Sosumialso, social democracy doesn't workMar 12 15:34
Sosumipeople are too misguidedMar 12 15:34
Sosumito the point they'd probably vote in for their own enslavementMar 12 15:34
msb__That occurs because corporate media lies to them, so they don't know what's going on, and thus whom to vote for.Mar 12 15:35
msb__...for their own benefit.Mar 12 15:35
Sosumicorporate media tells what fits the needs of their parent companiesMar 12 15:36
SosumiI wander since when was the duty of media to tell the truthMar 12 15:36
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SosumiI think, neverMar 12 15:36
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msb__Yes, which is exactly the opposite of what fits the needs of the people.Mar 12 15:37
Sosumiwell, if the people don't know betterMar 12 15:37
msb__It was always the duty, but rarely the actuality.Mar 12 15:37
Sosumilet them sufferMar 12 15:37
msb__That's an anti-human idea.Mar 12 15:37
Sosumithat is a realistic ideaMar 12 15:38
msb__So you think people should suffer if they are lied to by Bernays-style massive propaganda.Mar 12 15:38
Sosumican you be stressed out by people of which you tell how things areMar 12 15:38
Sosumiyest they continue to do the same over and over againMar 12 15:39
Sosumithat is the very definition of madnessMar 12 15:39
Sosumijust like repeating the same experiment and expecting different resultMar 12 15:39
Sosumi*resultsMar 12 15:39
msb__please reformulate.  I could not parse that sentence starting with "can you..."Mar 12 15:39
SosumiI'm working...Mar 12 15:40
Sosuminot even looked at the irc windowMar 12 15:40
Sosumican you stress yourself out about people that even presented with the informationMar 12 15:41
Sosumicontinue to do the same crap?Mar 12 15:41
SosumiI can'tMar 12 15:41
msb__There are only a few people who access accurate info, ie, on the Web.Mar 12 15:42
Sosumijust on the web?Mar 12 15:42
Sosumiwhat about booksMar 12 15:42
msb__Pretty much.  Mar 12 15:43
msb__They don't reach many people.Mar 12 15:43
Sosumiwhat about many of the ideals that still predominate today? like the works of malthusMar 12 15:43
Sosumiwhat about Carrol quigley's books?Mar 12 15:43
Sosumiwhat about charles goulton darwin's books?Mar 12 15:44
msb__I just read that he was in favor of rule by a wealthy few.Mar 12 15:44
Sosumithey're probably on a library near youMar 12 15:44
msb__(quigley)Mar 12 15:44
Sosumiall filled with dustMar 12 15:44
Sosumithe info is thereMar 12 15:44
Sosumifor the ones that care to look atMar 12 15:44
msb__They don't talk about current fascist takeovers, which is what people need to know about.Mar 12 15:44
Sosumiwhat about current "fascist" takeovers?Mar 12 15:45
Sosumiwhat ukraine?Mar 12 15:45
msb__Ukraine, Libya, attempts in Venezuela, SyriaMar 12 15:45
Sosumithere have been plenty of them through historyMar 12 15:45
Sosumiin order to formulate a patternMar 12 15:46
Sosumiif people actually cared to study historic precedents to war, revolutions and so onMar 12 15:46
Sosumithey'd understandMar 12 15:46
msb__People are programmed not to think by JCI religion, schooling, etc.  They need to have the patterns described for them so they can easily understand.Mar 12 15:47
Sosumithat's a poor excuseMar 12 15:48
Sosumiprogramming? what programming?Mar 12 15:48
Sosumithey just teach you at school the basicsMar 12 15:48
msb__No it isn't.  The formulated fascist lies surround them on all sides.Mar 12 15:48
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Sosumido you want to call the teaching of mathematics and physicsMar 12 15:49
SosumiprogrammingMar 12 15:49
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Sosumior chemistry or biologyMar 12 15:49
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Sosumieven on a middle grade to high school curriculaMar 12 15:49
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SosumiI fail to notice the programmingMar 12 15:50
msb__No, at school -- grades 1 to 12 -- you are taught to believe what you're told, not question it, and regurgitate it, else you are punished.Mar 12 15:50
SosumiI was never punished for questioningMar 12 15:50
msb__Possibly the unnoticed programming is responsible for your belief that people who are flooded with lying propaganda deserve to suffer.Mar 12 15:51
SosumiI just took the classes and at the end of the day would go to the library seek more infoMar 12 15:51
Sosumiwell, they bring it onto themselves, don't they?Mar 12 15:51
msb__Can  you see that JCI religion is programming not to think?Mar 12 15:51
msb__No, they don't.Mar 12 15:51
Sosumiwell if they live confortably in their own ignorance, let them liveMar 12 15:52
msb__The psychopaths ordering the propaganda bring it onto them.Mar 12 15:52
Sosumiwhat good does a person like that bringMar 12 15:52
msb__Not much, if they are programmed not to think.Mar 12 15:53
Sosumiho yes, the poor victim who can't discern what is good and what is badMar 12 15:53
msb__Because they swim in a sea of lies.Mar 12 15:53
Sosumido them?Mar 12 15:53
msb__That's the Bernays technique.  Are you familiar with it?Mar 12 15:53
Sosumior they just swim through their xbox library and tv channelsMar 12 15:53
Sosumiand do not care about anything elseMar 12 15:54
Sosumibecause it is not in their comfort zoneMar 12 15:54
msb__So, apparently you have no empathy.  Do you know the name of that condition?Mar 12 15:54
Sosumiempathy for what?Mar 12 15:54
SosumiI deal with people every single dayMar 12 15:55
msb__For people who are so intensively lied to that they believe the lies.Mar 12 15:55
SosumiI'm not going to put things inside their headsMar 12 15:55
msb__?Mar 12 15:55
SosumiI may point were to lookMar 12 15:55
Sosumibut they'll have to learn things by themselvesMar 12 15:55
msb__So, apparently you have no empathy.  Do you know the name of that condition?Mar 12 15:55
Sosumiho yes, I have a junior student asking me to solve him a calculus problemMar 12 15:56
Sosumiso instead of giving him directionsMar 12 15:57
SosumiI solve the exercise for himMar 12 15:57
msb__Very different situation.  He is not being lied to to prevent him from solving it.Mar 12 15:57
Sosumiand he learns nothingMar 12 15:57
Sosumisame thingMar 12 15:57
Sosumione is a hard science the other is a human scienceMar 12 15:57
msb__Do you know about Bernays technique for mind control?Mar 12 15:57
Sosumiwhat bernays techniqueMar 12 15:58
Sosumihe may have written about it on porpaganda and his papaersMar 12 15:58
Sosumibut the techniques of human "herd" controlMar 12 15:59
Sosumiare much olderMar 12 15:59
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_BernaysMar 12 15:59
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msb__A good candidate for the most evil person to have ever lived.Mar 12 15:59
Sosumiis he? what about bertrand russel?Mar 12 16:00
cubezzzworst that Hitler? seems unlikely :)Mar 12 16:00
Sosumishiklegruber was actually a kewl guyMar 12 16:00
Sosumiat least, killed less than stalin and maoMar 12 16:01
Sosumibut lets not forget the blood count bush senior/junior, clinton and obozoMar 12 16:02
msb__Perhaps Microsoft has planted nazis in techrights to produce regime change.Mar 12 16:03
Sosumiand LBJ with the vietnam escalationMar 12 16:03
Sosumiremember agent orange and all that?Mar 12 16:04
Sosumimaybe, just maybe, the kill count for vietnam was larger than hitlers kill countMar 12 16:05
Sosumiand ppl continue suffering the repercussions to this dayMar 12 16:05
msb__You have changed the topic of conversation away from your total lack of empathy for populations lied to by ubiquitous fascist proganda.Mar 12 16:05
Sosumiso the kill counter is still tickingMar 12 16:05
Sosumiwhat empathy?Mar 12 16:06
msb__Because you can't deal with that topic.Mar 12 16:06
msb__Exactly -- you have none.  That is the definition of a sociopath/psychopath.Mar 12 16:06
Sosumiwhat empathy? againMar 12 16:06
msb__You have changed the topic of conversation away from your total lack of empathy for populations lied to by ubiquitous fascist proganda.Mar 12 16:07
Sosumifor ppl who are too inept to break out of their comfort zones?Mar 12 16:07
msb__For  people who don't know what reality is, because they are surrounded by lies, as in The Matrix.Mar 12 16:07
Sosumicubezzz was the combo breakerMar 12 16:07
msb__?Mar 12 16:08
Sosumiyet, as in the matrix some ppl were not ready to deal with the truthMar 12 16:08
Sosumiso they couldn't be unpluggedMar 12 16:08
Sosumiand even at first neo had trouble accepting his new realityMar 12 16:09
Sosumiso, I don't see what is the pointMar 12 16:09
Sosumiby mentioning the movieMar 12 16:09
Sosumiwhich was badMar 12 16:09
msb__I'm talking about the vast majority of people who have not been "unplugged".  You say they deserve the results of their programmed ignorance.Mar 12 16:09
Sosumiand clichéMar 12 16:10
cubezzzas a hacker movie matrix wasn't very goodMar 12 16:10
Sosumiif they're not willing to think for themselvesMar 12 16:10
Sosumiwell, they deserve everything they getMar 12 16:11
msb__One of the most Conscious movies ever made, since it portrays the magnitude of the lying.Mar 12 16:11
Sosumiho yes, here we go with the new age mantraMar 12 16:11
msb__They can't think for themselves if they are denied truthful information and showered with lies.Mar 12 16:11
Sosumiconsciousness! I tell yaMar 12 16:11
Sosuminow here's a joint of marijuanaMar 12 16:12
msb__Consciousness is something you do not have.Mar 12 16:12
Sosumiwell, actually now we entered into a paradigmMar 12 16:12
Sosumiif they can't think for themselvesMar 12 16:12
cubezzzalso the "code" in jurassic park was ridiculous :)Mar 12 16:13
Sosumihow can they decide if they are going to play xbox one ps3?Mar 12 16:13
msb__You're a programmed sociopathic robot.Mar 12 16:13
Sosumi*orMar 12 16:13
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/jurassic-code.jpgMar 12 16:13
Sosumiho yes, the evil sosumiMar 12 16:13
Sosumivs the messiah msb__Mar 12 16:14
Sosumiwho thinks that by regurgitating alex jones is going to save everyoneMar 12 16:14
cubezzzalex jones was smart enough to interview Stallman :)Mar 12 16:14
msb__Jones is anti-socialist.Mar 12 16:14
cubezzzbut yeah, Jones is crazyMar 12 16:14
Sosumibecause, hey AJ says "we" are winning, when in fact, "we" are losing, big timeMar 12 16:15
Sosumiplus, messiah msb__Mar 12 16:15
Sosumiyou can't save them allMar 12 16:15
msb__I and many others try to save some.Mar 12 16:16
Sosumithen good luck, grab your bullhorn and go yell at the street about the evil peopleMar 12 16:17
Sosumiwhile everyone gives you a sight and thinks you're a raving lunaticMar 12 16:18
msb__Calling me "messiah" is a lying propaganda technique:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrawmanMar 12 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMar 12 16:18
Sosuminop, it is referring to your mentalityMar 12 16:19
msb__Giving people accurate information is not being a "messiah".Mar 12 16:20
Sosumibut do the people want the information you're giving them?Mar 12 16:20
Sosumidid they ASK for it?Mar 12 16:20
Sosumithat goes to the point of saying jesus died to save us from our sinMar 12 16:21
Sosumibut how many did actually want to be saved?Mar 12 16:21
Sosumior actually knew what salvation was?Mar 12 16:21
Sosumigot the point?Mar 12 16:22
Sosumimessiah msb__Mar 12 16:22
msb__Obviously you don't, Sosumi.  You have no empathy, you said "<Sosumi> shiklegruber was actually a kewl guy", and you are ignorant of Bernays.Mar 12 16:22
cubezzzI wouldn't give a linux disc to an Amish person :)Mar 12 16:22
Sosumiwell, or the messiah msb__ would have to save them from the evils of technologyMar 12 16:23
Sosumiand then he would be called the luddite messiah msb__Mar 12 16:23
cubezzzpeople are pretty ignorant thoughMar 12 16:24
msb__Wow, I have a whole new psychopath stalker!Mar 12 16:24
Sosumialthough he kind of fits more on the context of the unibomber messiah msb__Mar 12 16:24
cubezzzbut there has to be some level of willingness to learn for anyone to absorb useful infoMar 12 16:25
Sosumifollower of the church of ted kashinskiMar 12 16:25
cubezzzKaczynski was a giant social misfitMar 12 16:25
Sosumibut he did make valid pointsMar 12 16:25
Sosumion his manifestoMar 12 16:25
Sosumiand would have made a great ethicistMar 12 16:27
msb__Sosumi's heroes: Hitler and Ted Kaczynski.Mar 12 16:28
cubezzzexcept he bombed computer folksMar 12 16:28
cubezzzkind of a downerMar 12 16:28
msb__It's nice to have an IRC client that logs everything.Mar 12 16:29
Sosuminop, Mar 12 16:29
cubezzzat least guys like Paul Ehrlich who wrote about the ills of society managed to not bomb peopleMar 12 16:29
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SosumiSosumi's heroes, Gotfried Leibnetz, Ben Franklin, Bill Cooper, Norbert WienerMar 12 16:30
Sosumijust to name a fewMar 12 16:30
SosumiPaul fits into the neo-malthusion demagogyMar 12 16:31
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Sosumialong with the john p holdrenMar 12 16:32
Sosumiwhich has been proven wrong and wrong time after timeMar 12 16:32
Sosumiabout the ideas of limits to growMar 12 16:32
Sosumiand it goes as I sayMar 12 16:33
Sosumithis planet and solar system wont last foreverMar 12 16:33
Sosumiso, spread the population throughout the solar system at first and then the universeMar 12 16:34
Sosumiand it would actually create a much better pretext for a perpetual peaceMar 12 16:34
Sosumiinstead of the club of rome idealMar 12 16:35
Sosumiof having man as the "enemy" of the environmentMar 12 16:35
Sosumiagain, neo-malthusianismMar 12 16:35
Sosumiand jokingly or notMar 12 16:36
Sosumimy approach is one of the options on the iron mountain protocolMar 12 16:36
Sosumithat bill cooper used to boast aboutMar 12 16:36
Sosumiback when he was still aliveMar 12 16:36
cubezzzthat's a fine idea except there aren't any other planets we can live onMar 12 16:36
Sosumiterraform mars?Mar 12 16:36
Sosumiisn't there water on the moon?Mar 12 16:37
cubezzzno atmosphere to speak ofMar 12 16:37
cubezzzrather a big problemMar 12 16:37
Sosumiwhat about sending self assembly autonomous biospeheresMar 12 16:37
Sosumithere aren't any yet?Mar 12 16:37
Sosumino problemo, just make themMar 12 16:37
Sosumiinstead of making tanks and airplanesMar 12 16:38
Sosumiand waging warMar 12 16:38
Sosumiand actually deplenting resources on useless crapMar 12 16:38
Sosumimessiah msb__, went to talk to his earthly father for adviceMar 12 16:39
cubezzzsure, _if_ we had infinite energy and transmutation of element technology we could terraform MarsMar 12 16:39
cubezzzand make Earth a lot better :)Mar 12 16:40
Sosumiwell specially since such redirectionMar 12 16:41
cubezzzonce you can change co2 into oxygen you got it madeMar 12 16:41
Sosumiwould put to an end into finding better ways to blow ppl to bitsMar 12 16:42
Sosumiand would phase out the military industrial complexMar 12 16:42
Sosumiin the way that they'd still get the bucksMar 12 16:42
Sosumibut by doing something goodMar 12 16:42
cubezzznuclear fusion tech would help a lotMar 12 16:42
Sosumiyes it wouldMar 12 16:43
SosumiI was actually happy about hearing the news that came from the laurence livermore labMar 12 16:43
Sosumiat least it confirmed that the pursuit of fusion isn't dead yetMar 12 16:43
cubezzzcold fusion turned out to be a lemonMar 12 16:44
Sosumicold fusion is only popular with the UFOol folksMar 12 16:47
Sosumithose have been the ones boasting about itMar 12 16:47
Sosumias for me, I'm not saying it is impossbleMar 12 16:47
Sosumi*impossibleMar 12 16:47
cubezzzthere's some talk of plants being able to transmute elementsMar 12 16:48
Sosumibut until further developments, grain of salt must be takenMar 12 16:48
Sosumitransmute elements? like breaking them down for abortion?Mar 12 16:49
Sosumi*absorptionMar 12 16:49
cubezzzcreated additional selenium for exampleMar 12 16:49
Sosumino ideaMar 12 16:49
cubezzzhttp://www.cheniere.org/books/aids/ch5.htmMar 12 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cheniere.org | Extraordinary Biology [ http://ur1.ca/gttsi ]Mar 12 16:49
Sosumithat kind of biology doesn't fascinate me muchMar 12 16:49
cubezzzKomaki has conclusively proven that bacteria can transmute sodium into potassiumMar 12 16:51
cubezzzusing very little energy Mar 12 16:52
cubezzzworth a look I'd sayMar 12 16:52
SosumiI'll give it a read laterMar 12 16:53
Sosumialso, that is from Tom Bearden; I remember that guyMar 12 16:54
Sosumicolonel I think?Mar 12 16:54
Sosumiwho set himself in the search for Tesla's lost papersMar 12 16:55
Sosumiabout scalar wavesMar 12 16:55
cubezzzhe does have a Phd I thinkMar 12 16:56
cubezzzoh wait, maybe he doesn't :)Mar 12 16:56
cubezzzseems that Martin Gardner shot him down somewhatMar 12 16:57
cubezzzbut I've heard about the increase selenium produced by plants from other sourcesMar 12 16:57
Sosumihe "had" one of which he boughtMar 12 16:58
Sosumito some dubious organizationMar 12 16:59
Sosumidr tom Bearden does sound much more fanciful to the coast to coast am type listener than just Tommy BeardenMar 12 17:00
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Sosumisebsebseb the magicianMar 12 17:15
Sosumiog maegeiaMar 12 17:15
Sosumibut I don't kind of believe into that scalar wave thingMar 12 17:18
Sosuminot saying that it doesn't existMar 12 17:18
Sosumibut hum don't believe in itMar 12 17:19
Sosumihttps://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/12/nsa-plans-infect-millions-computers-malware/Mar 12 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | How the NSA Plans to Infect 'Millions' of Computers with Malware - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gtrn8 ]Mar 12 17:20
Sosumiyes the evil NSA?Mar 12 17:20
Sosumior maybe the evil CIAMar 12 17:20
Sosumiit's just funny how the NSA gets all the publicity while no mention to the CIAMar 12 17:22
Sosumiit actually seems like someone or something is actually earning something by crippling the NSAMar 12 17:22
Sosumimaybe the CIA would like to see NSA go awayMar 12 17:23
Sosumihttps://twitter.com/fiatcurrency/status/443789453484900352Mar 12 17:25
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MinceRsadly, msb__ favors dictatorships so long as they call themselves "socialist" or "communist"Mar 12 18:55
MinceR162753 < Sosumi> I recomend to never let them fallMar 12 18:55
MinceRso do iMar 12 18:55
SosumiwaitMar 12 18:56
SosumiI though I had said that the balanced approach was the best approachMar 12 18:56
MinceRto what?Mar 12 18:57
Sosumineither extreme socialismMar 12 18:58
Sosuminos extreme anarchyMar 12 18:59
MinceRicMar 12 18:59
MinceRwell, i agree with thatMar 12 18:59
cubezzzno to anarchy certainly :)Mar 12 18:59
Sosumiaka degenerate liberalism/libertarianismMar 12 18:59
msb__"<MinceR> sadly, msb__ favors dictatorships so long as they call themselves "socialist" or "communist""  MinceR is lying.  I never said any such thing.  I said I favor social democracy or democratic socialism.  Never a dictatorship.  Mar 12 19:00
Sosumiand I don't see were I wrote that "I recomend to never let them fall"Mar 12 19:00
cubezzzcubelog is watching you all :)Mar 12 19:00
MinceRyes, and dictatorships like to call themselves "socialist", "communist", "people's democratic republic", etc.Mar 12 19:00
MinceRi see beyond the curtain, msb__ does not.Mar 12 19:00
Sosumithe messiah msb__ is back after consulting with his earthly fatherMar 12 19:01
Sosumior was it heavenly *canabis breath* fatherMar 12 19:01
msb__Great, the two lying psychopaths are attacking me together.Mar 12 19:01
cubezzzcan't we just make derisive comments about microsoft like the olden days?Mar 12 19:02
Sosumi"I recommend to never let them fall" was in reference to the metallic made smartphonesMar 12 19:03
cubezzzj/k somewhatMar 12 19:03
MinceRas usual, msb__ ornaments his authoritarianist/fascist/communist propaganda with the occasional lie and name-calling.Mar 12 19:04
Sosumino ideaMar 12 19:04
MinceRSosumi: i thought it was in reference to all smartphones regardless of metal content :>Mar 12 19:04
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Sosumi:)Mar 12 19:04
cubezzzI bet windows 9 will run awesome on my 486Mar 12 19:06
Sosumias long as it has a math co-processorMar 12 19:06
SosumiI can't see why it wouldn't runMar 12 19:07
Sosumi:)Mar 12 19:07
cubezzzI've actually thought about making my own distroMar 12 19:09
Sosuminot another gnu/linux distroMar 12 19:11
Sosumithat'd be kind of a downerMar 12 19:11
SosumiinsteadMar 12 19:12
Sosumiwhy not a gnu/hurd distroMar 12 19:12
Sosumior from what I've seen in the pastMar 12 19:12
Sosumiback in 2008Mar 12 19:12
Sosumiwhen I was still in high schoolMar 12 19:12
Sosumisome folks were trying to create a "free version" of openvmsMar 12 19:13
cubezzzyeah freevmsMar 12 19:13
cubezzzI think it's still aroundMar 12 19:13
Sosumino ideaMar 12 19:14
cubezzznot really my thing, it's amd64 onlyMar 12 19:14
MinceRbrb, router restart :>Mar 12 19:15
cubezzzno my distro would be old computer friendlyMar 12 19:16
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SosumiI think you're missing a lot by staying with a p3Mar 12 19:17
Sosumiyou could be playing with evolutionary algorithms and neural netsMar 12 19:18
Sosumiand doing much without being crippled by the speed of an old cpuMar 12 19:18
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cubezzzwell if you read my blog you'll know where I'm coming from :)Mar 12 19:21
cubezzzI'm not even a strong minimalistMar 12 19:21
Sosumiand it is funny, considering that I once had a 866Mhz P3 and geforce 4 ti4600Mar 12 19:21
Sosumiand I couldn't max, say ut2003 on thatMar 12 19:22
SosumiI didn't know you had a blogMar 12 19:22
cubezzzyes, no one reads it :)Mar 12 19:22
cubezzzhttp://cubexyz.blogspot.comMar 12 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.com | Notes on LinuxMar 12 19:22
cubezzzit says notes on linux but I talk about computers in generalMar 12 19:23
SosumibookmarkedMar 12 19:23
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cubezzzI wrote about some ideas about distros here:Mar 12 19:30
cubezzzhttp://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/2012/05/eternal-distro.html Mar 12 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on Linux: The Eternal Distro [ http://ur1.ca/gtvp8 ]Mar 12 19:30
SosumiI think the idea is great, but at the same kind of comparing to running the marathon with a leg tied behind my backMar 12 19:43
Sosumigiven the amount of hardware that gets dumped each yearMar 12 19:43
Sosumispecially from the gamer croudMar 12 19:43
Sosumi*crowdMar 12 19:44
Sosumieveryone and you could always get cheap upgradesMar 12 19:44
Sosumiand a p3 is ancientMar 12 19:45
Sosumispecially a 500MhzMar 12 19:45
Sosumiand the thing is just not about the upgrade treadmillMar 12 19:47
Sosumibut as the complexity of the software increases so does the need for faster hardwareMar 12 19:48
Sosumiand I'm in doubtMar 12 19:48
Sosumifor things like a server, doesn't the current version of fedora run on a p3?Mar 12 19:49
cubezzzread Vance Packard "The Waste Makers" and you might change your mindMar 12 19:49
MinceReven the complexity of the data increases :>Mar 12 19:49
Sosumihardly, when I buy faster hardware is mostly because I outgrew what I hadMar 12 19:50
cubezzzI found newer Fedora less reliable to be honestMar 12 19:50
MinceRand that of websites, unfortunatelyMar 12 19:50
cubezzzwell badly designed web designs is a poor excuse Mar 12 19:50
cubezzzwe live in a society of waste, it's well over the topMar 12 19:52
Sosumibut that waste brings progress and further advancementMar 12 19:52
Sosumiwhat could be considered wasteMar 12 19:53
cubezzzewaste, the world's full of itMar 12 19:54
Sosumiis the use and trow away techMar 12 19:54
Sosumilike those prebuilt computers with no standard partsMar 12 19:54
cubezzzplastics, chip fab, all need highly caustic chemicals Mar 12 19:54
cubezzzwhich end up in your soilMar 12 19:55
cubezzzI'm merely suggesting cutting back on thatMar 12 19:55
cubezzzwell I would suggest not buying bic-lighter computers :)Mar 12 19:57
Sosumithe biggest factor contributing to that is consumer techMar 12 19:57
SosumiI don't see how it'd be possible to cut on thatMar 12 19:58
Sosumippl want crap, manufacturers give them crapMar 12 19:59
MinceRmanufacturers also make crap that nobody wantsMar 12 19:59
MinceRi.e. winblows phone phonesMar 12 19:59
cubezzzI don't think people really want crap, I think they just aren't thinking about itMar 12 19:59
SosumiI'm certainly not the one buying a big tv totally overblown colorsMar 12 20:00
MinceRpeople want crap so much they're willing to pay more for worseMar 12 20:00
MinceRfor example, for hypePhonesMar 12 20:00
SosumihypePhones, bang & ollufsen, etcMar 12 20:01
cubezzzI like getting an old computer and fixing it upMar 12 20:01
Sosumifit into the model of a huge price premium just for the sake of exclusivityMar 12 20:01
Sosumiand "perceived value"Mar 12 20:02
cubezzz"The Hidden Persauders" 1957 :)Mar 12 20:02
cubezzzalso by Vance PackardMar 12 20:02
SosumiBernays mentioned that on his book Propaganda, messiah complex msb__Mar 12 20:02
cubezzzSun Microsystems had a lot of very interesting ideas to make computers more reliableMar 12 20:03
Sosumi"had"Mar 12 20:03
SosumiI'm still longing for a new sparc station or powerstationMar 12 20:03
cubezzzI think Sun Oracle still sell serversMar 12 20:04
cubezzzno idea what the prices are, I assume big $$$Mar 12 20:04
Sosumiyes, just serversMar 12 20:04
cubezzzglibc is bloated tooMar 12 20:06
cubezzzhence the creation of dietlibcMar 12 20:09
cubezzzthe funny part about this is I've had this same convo 10 years ago :)Mar 12 20:14
cubezzz"come on, systems these days need at least 256 megs of ram"Mar 12 20:14
cubezzz"get rid of that crappy Pentium 1"Mar 12 20:14
MinceRone problem with the Eternal Distro is that at some point some packages would cease to receive security updatesMar 12 20:15
MinceRfrom upstreamMar 12 20:15
cubezzz2.11BSD still gets patchesMar 12 20:19
cubezzzbut that doesn't run on actual hardware in my caseMar 12 20:20
cubezzzsome packages in openbsd are from the 90'sMar 12 20:22
cubezzzsome stuff gets orphaned, the creator loses interest, it happensMar 12 20:25
MinceRdoes it update applications and libraries that are 4 or more stable major releases ahead of what it ships? :>Mar 12 20:28
MinceRat some point, the upstream developer's response to requests for security fixes becomes "just upgrade already, that release is 10 years old!" :>Mar 12 20:29
MinceRthere's only so many releases they can maintain simultaneouslyMar 12 20:29
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cubezzzthat's true, but I don't want my repositories to just disappearMar 12 20:30
cubezzzI guess the only safe thing to do is mirror it allMar 12 20:30
MinceRindeedMar 12 20:33
Sosumiwhat about a hurd option?Mar 12 20:38
Sosumihttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYyODEMar 12 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Replicant Developers Find Backdoor In Android Samsung Galaxy Devices [ http://ur1.ca/gtxhv ]Mar 12 20:39
MinceRwell, that's just greatMar 12 20:40
MinceRlooks like samsung took the same approach here as with the exynos 4 /dev/exynos-mem deviceMar 12 20:44
MinceR(i.e. make a much bigger hole than necessary)Mar 12 20:44
Sosumiso much for the knox platform hey samsungMar 12 20:48
MinceRindeedMar 12 20:48
MinceRthere should be high-end phones that communicate with the radio chip via serial link, not DMAMar 12 20:48
Sosumiuntil them, 300€ netbook + 3g modemMar 12 20:49
Sosumiand I actually once got askedMar 12 20:50
MinceRthat won't do non-voip phone calls and you can't answer calls on the street :>Mar 12 20:50
Sosumiif I was some kind of mafia guy for that comboMar 12 20:50
SosumiI don't people to call meMar 12 20:51
Sosumijust send me an emailMar 12 20:51
MinceR:>Mar 12 20:51
Sosumithe last thing I need are the same people I have to deal with everyday also bothering me when I'm away from themMar 12 20:51
Sosumiand doing pointless talkMar 12 20:52
Sosumijust writing it down on email, takes less time and it makes it much easierMar 12 20:53
MinceRunfortunately some of the people i keep contact with don't use emailMar 12 20:53
Sosumiwithout the need to yell at the phone because, say transit, radio, chatter and so onMar 12 20:53
Sosumivoice calls are just for VIPMar 12 20:54
Sosumiand are usually taken at homeMar 12 20:54
Sosumihttp://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/200575-mccain-to-lead-delegation-to-ukraineMar 12 20:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehill.com | McCain to lead delegation to Ukraine | TheHill [ http://ur1.ca/gtxrd ]Mar 12 20:55
Sosumiwarnuts McCainMar 12 20:55
Sosumibut the problem this time is that McCain isn't messing with the banana republic of Syria nor IranMar 12 20:56
Sosumiit is messing with the nuclear banana of russiaMar 12 20:56
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/ProSyriana/status/441570172948586496Mar 12 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProSyriana: The devil machine was found and destroyed by the #Saudi religious police. #KSA #Wahhabism http://t.co/6dNbd8CwaFMar 12 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProSyriana: The devil machine was found and destroyed by the #Saudi religious police. #KSA #Wahhabism http://t.co/6dNbd8CwaFMar 12 20:58
Sosumimeanwhile in the KSAMar 12 20:58
Sosumithey're trying to exorcise a midi keyboardMar 12 20:58
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MinceR:)Mar 12 21:30
sebsebsebMinceR: Sosumi hmm one of the main or kind ofMar 12 21:32
sebsebsebMageia contributers died on SaturdayMar 12 21:33
MinceR:/Mar 12 21:33
sebsebsebyeahMar 12 21:33
Sosumireal dead?Mar 12 21:33
sebsebsebchatted to him quite a bit over the years here and there on IRC, nearly met him inp erson toMar 12 21:33
sebsebsebSosumi: yes he has diedMar 12 21:33
Sosumi:(Mar 12 21:33
Sosumihow did he die»Mar 12 21:36
Sosumi?Mar 12 21:36
sebsebsebyeah thought I may get asked thatMar 12 21:37
sebsebsebSosumi: he lost his fight aganst the lung cancerMar 12 21:37
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sebsebsebhe had treatment and such, but stilMar 12 21:37
Sosumilung cancer is usually terminalMar 12 21:38
sebsebsebhe had been rahter un wellMar 12 21:38
Sosumi:(Mar 12 21:41
sebsebsebSosumi: however he has donated all his  computer stuff to Mageia it seemsMar 12 21:42
Sosumithat was a honorable thing to doMar 12 21:44
sebsebsebSosumi: yeah well he had like three computers i THINKMar 12 21:44
sebsebsebpluswhatever elseMar 12 21:44
sebsebseband  Magiea was his life at the end and very much soMar 12 21:44
sebsebsebSosumi: even when he was rather unwell he eMar 12 21:44
sebsebsebhe felt bad that he coudn't just contribute anymoreMar 12 21:44
Sosumihow old was he?Mar 12 21:45
sebsebseb50 somethingMar 12 21:45
Sosumiwell you knowMar 12 21:46
Sosumilife is short and he did use his limited time to make it countMar 12 21:46
sebsebsebyeahMar 12 21:47
Sosumi:)Mar 12 21:47
sebsebsebSosumi: also I am wondeirng what has happended to someone elseMar 12 21:47
sebsebsebthat been chatting a lot to onlineMar 12 21:47
sebsebsebSosumi: she might have died as well, I really don't knowMar 12 21:48
sebsebseband no way to just find out etcMar 12 21:48
Sosumialso involved in mageia?Mar 12 21:48
sebsebsebnopeMar 12 21:48
sebsebsebSosumi: just a girl I came across online (or whoever they really are)Mar 12 21:49
sebsebseb,but also one that woudn't do anything, but online text hmmMar 12 21:49
sebsebsebwell ok I saw some photos to, but that's itMar 12 21:49
Sosumionline on irc?Mar 12 21:49
sebsebsebonineMar 12 21:49
sebsebsebnot IRCMar 12 21:49
Sosumihave you seen if she changed the nick?Mar 12 21:50
Sosumior probably just moved over onto something elseMar 12 21:50
sebsebsebSosumi: she only has me on the particular chat account apparnatly toMar 12 21:51
sebsebseband won't just add to Facebook and uhMar 12 21:51
sebsebsebSosumi: so basically I just lose contactMar 12 21:52
sebsebsebsince she woudn't  voice  over Skype or  so on Mar 12 21:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door | Tux MachinesMar 12 21:52
sebsebsebSosumi: I can't really explain  stuff properly enough,  but this person wowMar 12 21:52
SosumiI seeMar 12 21:52
sebsebseb,but then issuesMar 12 21:53
sebsebsebplus got in contact wht someone else, and then she tsopped chatting to me loads etcMar 12 21:53
sebsebseband uhMar 12 21:53
sebsebsebSosumi: ,but really annoyingly the communication issuesMar 12 21:53
Sosumicommunication issues in what sense? improper language?Mar 12 21:54
sebsebsebSosumi: no as in refusing to do anything more than just instant messaginginMar 12 21:54
sebsebseband occasioan emails maybeMar 12 21:54
sebsebseband not adding me onto whatever account hte other guy is on etcMar 12 21:54
sebsebsebor Facebook even etcMar 12 21:55
sebsebsebSosumi: and not doing any voice thing, SKype or some other voip thing, or the phone evenMar 12 21:55
sebsebsebanyway it's been about four months  now, and she may not be coming back this time it seemsMar 12 21:55
sebsebsebSosumi: she may have got a bit upset at me in the last chat in fact as wellMar 12 21:56
Sosumiwas she good looking?Mar 12 21:56
Sosumihad to ask ;)Mar 12 21:56
sebsebsebyeah I guess or enoughMar 12 21:56
sebsebseb,but it's the personality what she is like and such, that's  the wowMar 12 21:56
sebsebsebexcept for the communicaiotn issuesMar 12 21:56
sebsebseband things like thatMar 12 21:57
Sosumihow so?Mar 12 21:57
sebsebsebSosumi: eh nevermindMar 12 21:58
Sosumithen I'll just my fertile imagination to draw a picture of her :PMar 12 21:59
Sosumi*useMar 12 21:59
sebsebsebSosumi: oh you mean looks?Mar 12 22:00
sebsebsebSosumi: uhmm she has brown hair it seemsMar 12 22:00
SosumiI meant her personalityMar 12 22:00
sebsebsebSosumi: she's not the averare girlMar 12 22:00
sebsebsebreally isn't the averaet girlMar 12 22:00
sebsebseba rare findMar 12 22:00
Sosumisince that was the WoW factorMar 12 22:00
Sosumitell tellMar 12 22:00
sebsebseband I foundher onine, and then uh everything changed hmmMar 12 22:00
sebsebsebafter about 8 monthsMar 12 22:00
sebsebsebshameMar 12 22:00
Sosumiyou still didn't explain what was WOWing about herMar 12 22:01
Sosumibut it is ok :)Mar 12 22:02
sebsebsebSosumi: you won't realy understandlMar 12 22:02
sebsebsebSosumi: it's just the chats we had and suchMar 12 22:02
sebsebsebthat's the wowMar 12 22:02
sebsebsebhow well we got on etcMar 12 22:02
sebsebsebwell until most stuff changed, and changed a lot changed pretty much completly really even uh :(Mar 12 22:02
Sosumiyou fell in loveMar 12 22:05
sebsebsebSosumi: yeah basically as far as net went,  but keeping reality in mind, not voiced, notmet etc, and them probably not realy feeliing the same way or not quiteMar 12 22:06
Sosumi:)Mar 12 22:06
sebsebsebSosumi: and then she came across some guy who was more interesting than meMar 12 22:06
sebsebsebonlineMar 12 22:06
sebsebseband yep everthing chanedMar 12 22:06
sebsebseband changed a lotMar 12 22:06
sebsebsebSosumi: and we went from chatting nearly every dayMar 12 22:07
sebsebsebto hardly at allMar 12 22:07
sebsebsebloads of periods of lots of weeks no chatMar 12 22:07
sebsebsebher not on etcMar 12 22:07
sebsebseb,but now it's been the longest one, so I am wondeirng what's going on Mar 12 22:07
sebsebseb,because of helath issues etcMar 12 22:07
sebsebsebuhMar 12 22:07
Sosumidid she have health issues?Mar 12 22:07
sebsebsebyepMar 12 22:07
Sosumicomplicated?Mar 12 22:08
sebsebsebsure Mar 12 22:08
sebsebsebsome pretty bad stuff by the soundsof itMar 12 22:08
sebsebseb,but don't realy understnad most of itMar 12 22:08
sebsebsebthe medical terms etcMar 12 22:08
sebsebsebSosumi: and one time she had apendicious andn earlydied, whist away apparnatly,  you see why I am a bit worried etcMar 12 22:09
SosumiI seeMar 12 22:09
sebsebseband no it's not, just go find some other girl to get ot know all properly like that, it doesn't work that wayMar 12 22:09
sebsebsebreally hard to find someone like what I foundMar 12 22:09
Sosumiwait thenMar 12 22:10
Sosumia month or twoMar 12 22:10
Sosumibut then better move onMar 12 22:10
sebsebsebSosumi: no I mean got to find someone in person or onlineMar 12 22:10
sebsebsebSosumi: ,butMar 12 22:10
sebsebsebonline uh that doesn't really work usaullyMar 12 22:10
sebsebseb99% of the timeMar 12 22:10
SosumiI've no ideaMar 12 22:11
Sosumisince I don't "date" onlineMar 12 22:11
sebsebseband in person I don't really know enough girls at the momentMar 12 22:11
sebsebsebSosumi: I don't mean a date neassirelyMar 12 22:11
sebsebsebSosumi: I mean  soeone to get to know, to build up  a special freindship with at leastMar 12 22:11
sebsebseboh and that happens to be a girl as wellMar 12 22:11
sebsebsebSosumi: if I want to chat to guys online, well that's easy enough heh hehMar 12 22:12
sebsebseband yeah I mean a girl that lives nearish to me idealy as wellMar 12 22:12
Sosumibe patient, that is all I can sayMar 12 22:13
sebsebsebSosumi: I am going afkMar 12 22:13
SosumiyeahMar 12 22:13
SosumignMar 12 22:13
sebsebsebSosumi: no not bedMar 12 22:14
sebsebsebnewsMar 12 22:14
sebsebsebwhat's left of itMar 12 22:14
sebsebsebwhat's left of main, and then localMar 12 22:14
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msb__cubezzz: Nice blog!Mar 12 22:41
cubezzzthanks :)Mar 12 22:41
msb__cubezzz: Are you a KDE3 fan?Mar 12 22:42
cubezzzyeah, pretty muchMar 12 22:42
cubezzzI use a variety of window managersMar 12 22:42
msb__Me too.  Mar 12 22:42
cubezzzgnome2, icewm, mwm, a couple of KDE 3.X's, xfceMar 12 22:43
msb__I don't mess with the system much, just stay with KDE3.5 and some KDE4 apps.Mar 12 22:44
msb__But I've written a lot of bash scripts.Mar 12 22:44
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/retro-mwm-desktop.pngMar 12 22:45
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msb__Looks like old sunview or xeroxparc.Mar 12 22:46
msb__No taskbar or desktop switcher?Mar 12 22:46
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/sunview-desktop.pngMar 12 22:46
cubezzz:)Mar 12 22:46
cubezzziconbox is a sort of taskbarMar 12 22:47
msb__ok, different style 8^)Mar 12 22:47
cubezzzthat tiny font on sunview would drive me nutsMar 12 22:48
cubezzzI can run KDE 3.5 and mwm at the same timeMar 12 22:48
msb__I've taken to using the KDE4 magnifier app sometimes.Mar 12 22:49
cubezzzI'm a fairly good motif programmer :)Mar 12 22:49
cubezzzKDE4 was just too slow on my old computersMar 12 22:49
cubezzzI use reading glasses but I hate using glasses when I'm on a computerMar 12 22:50
cubezzzI'd rather just make the font biggerMar 12 22:50
msb__I don't like KDE4's whole style, and you can't read the desktop names in the desktop switcher ("pager") so I dumped it.Mar 12 22:50
msb__Multiple desktops are vital to me.  Mar 12 22:51
cubezzzyou can run more than one window manager rememberMar 12 22:52
msb__Why would I need more than KDE3?Mar 12 22:52
cubezzzxinit mwm -- :8 Mar 12 22:53
cubezzzwell, I wanted to experiment and improve my X window system knowledgeMar 12 22:53
cubezzzplus mwm is motif based so... a chance to learn more about motifMar 12 22:54
MinceRa chance to learn why nobody uses motif anymore :>Mar 12 22:54
cubezzzI use it :)Mar 12 22:54
MinceR"bro, do you even ewmh?"Mar 12 22:54
msb__Sounds nasty.Mar 12 22:55
cubezzzI did say I run KDE3.5 as well :)Mar 12 22:55
MinceRi use mwm at work, i'm not a big fan of it :>Mar 12 22:55
MinceRof course, it still beats windowsMar 12 22:55
MinceRand macosMar 12 22:55
msb__One thing I want to learn is graphics programming in X.  I have some starter code somewhere.Mar 12 22:56
cubezzzI feel I can understand mwm source better than KDE3.5 sourceMar 12 22:56
MinceRi haven't looked at mwm source yetMar 12 22:57
MinceRi've coded an application for kde3 once, though :>Mar 12 22:57
msb__These days I only make the effort to understand stuff when I need to.  It's a big world.  I was pissed when transistors came along and replaced glowing warm vacuum tubes.Mar 12 22:58
MinceRi'm still curiousMar 12 22:58
msb__And again when ICs replaced discretes so I couldn't trace inside them.Mar 12 22:59
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msb__I'm curious too, but I have limited time.Mar 12 22:59
cubezzzit's not like I run something truely ancient like xwm :)Mar 12 23:00
msb__Mostly I want to figure out how to help restore a conscious culture like in the 1960s.Mar 12 23:00
MinceRi haven't even seen xwmMar 12 23:00
MinceRwhen i started using X, twm was already what shipped with XFree86 by defaultMar 12 23:01
MinceR(then again, XFree86 might never had xwm, for all i know)Mar 12 23:01
cubezzzwhen was that MinceR ?Mar 12 23:01
MinceRaround 2000, i thinkMar 12 23:01
cubezzzyeah xwm is pretty oldMar 12 23:02
cubezzzthat's getting into the X11R2 era, around 1988Mar 12 23:03
cubezzzpre-linux :)Mar 12 23:03
MinceR:)Mar 12 23:03
cubezzzso Ultrix, or ummmMar 12 23:05
cubezzz4.3BSD-Tahoe I supposeMar 12 23:05
msb__My favorite bash script is called "p".  If you do   p filename   while in the directory containing a file, it loads the FQ pathname of the file into the mouse clipboard.Mar 12 23:06
msb__Text mode drag n drop!  Mar 12 23:06
cubezzzwell you can just hilight in konsole -> klipperMar 12 23:07
msb__Copy or move any file from one xterm (konsole) to another.  And with mc in the console, you don't even have to type the filename.Mar 12 23:07
msb__cubezzz: Won't that just get the filename, not the path from root?Mar 12 23:08
cubezzzI can just hilight the whole pathMar 12 23:08
msb__But then you have to display the whole path first?Mar 12 23:08
cubezzz/mnt/e/old-x11/X.V10R3/xwm/xwm.hMar 12 23:09
cubezzzta da :)Mar 12 23:09
cubezzzyes, locate xwm.h then hilight since I can't remember where it isMar 12 23:09
msb__So you run "locate" to do that.  Can take a few seconds.Mar 12 23:10
msb__And then you have to run the cursor from one end of that text to the other, to hilite it.Mar 12 23:10
cubezzzlet's see your scriptMar 12 23:11
msb__I just have to type "p %s" and then alt-enter and enterMar 12 23:12
msb__in mcMar 12 23:12
msb__hold on for scriptsMar 12 23:12
msb__http://pastebin.com/XmYyMqzEMar 12 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.com | p and xsel - Pastebin.comMar 12 23:17
msb__There used to be an xsel app that came with xfree86, but it's not in the present X.  So I had to find another way to stuff the clipboard.Mar 12 23:18
cubezzzah, I'd have to adjust that to use itMar 12 23:19
cubezzzno libqt4 on that boxMar 12 23:20
MinceRthere's a separate xsel package on debianMar 12 23:21
msb__I think I maintained the same command-line syntax in my xsel script as in the original xsel program, so if that debian one still works, it should replace mine with all its qdbus jazz.Mar 12 23:24
MinceR:>Mar 12 23:24
MinceRthe distro you're using might have a separate xsel package as wellMar 12 23:24
msb__Nope.  First thing I checked.Mar 12 23:24
msb__I also use an "xs" script, which is simply:   xsel $*Mar 12 23:27
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msb__Also this "eb" (edit buffer) script: http://pastebin.com/YwE3A3QNMar 12 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.com | eb script - Pastebin.comMar 12 23:29
msb__and "x2e"   edbuf=~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip\n  xsel >| $edbufMar 12 23:31
msb__And "e2x"    edbuf=~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip\n  xsel - < $edbufMar 12 23:32
msb__With these scripts, you can -- dare I say it? -- Rule The World!Mar 12 23:32
msb__For example, I just scanned 4 lines from the irc client into the mouse (trackball) clipboard.  Then I typed:Mar 12 23:35
msb__xs| sed 's/msb/foo/'|eb -;e2xMar 12 23:36
msb__and all the occurrences of "msb" in the clipboard were changed to "foo"Mar 12 23:36
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cubezzzI have xclipMar 12 23:38
msb__Thus hiding my identity.  I fly in the night like the wind!Mar 12 23:38
cubezzzuptime | xclipMar 12 23:38
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msb__I'm checking for it in such of my repos that remain.Mar 12 23:41
MinceRgnMar 12 23:42
msb__I got it!Mar 12 23:44
cubezzzthere's xsel for openbsd, but I can't find it for vectorMar 12 23:51
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amarsh04http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/video/digital-rights-and-dismal-governments-senator-scott-ludlamMar 13 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au | Digital Rights and Dismal Governments - Senator Scott Ludlam | Scott Ludlam [ http://ur1.ca/gu257 ]Mar 13 00:06
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msb__I will try to make a new xsel script using xclip, but right now I'm trying to find a restaurant for a lunch meet tomorrow, and then I have to take a long bath.Mar 13 00:10
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DaemonFChttp://gawker.com/mummified-woman-dead-for-six-years-reportedly-voted-in-1541508827Mar 13 07:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gawker.com | Mummified Woman Dead for Six Years Reportedly Voted in 2010 [ http://ur1.ca/guf4n ]Mar 13 07:50
DaemonFCI was wondering why the bank didn't foreclose on her house sooner.Mar 13 07:51
DaemonFCApparently, she had about $54,000 in her bank account when she died, so they kept making her house payment out of that until the money ran out.Mar 13 07:52
DaemonFCStill doesn't explain why nobody found her body for 6 years.Mar 13 07:53
DaemonFCYou'd think the neighbors would be complaining about an overgrown lawn, or that her employer might notice that she didn't show up for work.Mar 13 07:53
DaemonFCA neighbor was mowing her lawn and she was laid off from Chrysler in 2008.Mar 13 07:55
DaemonFCWell, that explains it I guess.Mar 13 07:55
DaemonFCStill. Damn.Mar 13 07:55
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DaemonFChttp://mobile.slashdot.org/story/14/03/12/2143225/replicant-os-developers-find-backdoor-in-samsung-galaxy-devicesMar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.slashdot.org | Replicant OS Developers Find Backdoor In Samsung Galaxy Devices - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/gufd6 ]Mar 13 08:22
schestowitz_loghttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444019204476641280  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444019536908808192  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444019909983756289   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444020169325957121  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444020436859633664Mar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: City of staples http://t.co/jl7l4eXecAMar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: NSA's TURBINE robot pumps 'malware into MILLIONS of PCs' http://t.co/fR4max7ue8 send #nsa to jail yet? Nope.Mar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | NSA's TURBINE robot pumps 'malware into MILLIONS of PCs' • The RegisterMar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #nsa is still hiring criminals in order for criminals to serve the state http://t.co/qcWqVEPs3R so much for moral high ground...Mar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.reuters.com | NSA 'hijacked' criminal botnets to install spyware | ReutersMar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: European Parliament wants an end to NSA PRISM data haul http://t.co/0uC2c32qtE #nsa #prism #espionage #euMar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net | European Parliament wants an end to NSA PRISM data haul- The InquirerMar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: MEPs want co-operation with the US to be suspended http://t.co/n9PQA7elXC http://t.co/EaFfjNrZeh #nsaMar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.europeanvoice.com | MEPs want co-operation with the US to be suspended | European VoiceMar 13 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerweekly.com | MEPs call for immediate halt to NSA surveillanceMar 13 08:22
DaemonFChttps://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoorMar 13 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gtxwi ]Mar 13 08:23
schestowitz_loghttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444026068086038528  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444026183211294721  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444026825921298432  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444027030284537856Mar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google do no evil, just doing what #nsa asks ("following orders") http://t.co/G3dJ6M9YZp http://t.co/zz4rEJMlKSMar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.marketoracle.co.uk | Google, China, The Nsa And The Fourth Turning :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free WebsiteMar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theburningplatform.com | DO NO EVIL GOOGLE – CENSOR & SNITCH FOR THE STATE « The Burning PlatformMar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ubuntu 14.04 gets new lock screen and borderless windows http://t.co/fhtipQqbQg #ubuntu #gnu #linuxMar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com | Ubuntu 14.04 gets new lock screen and borderless windows | MuktwareMar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Tim B-L foresaw the Web as a platform of collaboration; #nsa views it as a battleground. No wonder the NSA headed by military people.Mar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Self-hosting now makes more sense http://t.co/gueI68PSDK I advise clients to always self-host where possible, now easier to reasonMar 13 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | How the NSA plans to automatically infect "millions" of computers with spyware - Boing BoingMar 13 08:38
schestowitz_loghttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444028209047556096  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444028691115692032  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444029021052223488  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444029456924282880Mar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is #facebook #nsa ? Well, yes, in a way, sometimes. http://t.co/mXeekeI990 http://t.co/mV4dYzaMSDMar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.wsj.com | Documents Say NSA Pretends to Be Facebook in Surveillance - Digits - WSJMar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> venturebeat.com | The NSA reportedly poses as Facebook to spread malware | VentureBeat | Security | by Harrison WeberMar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Lawmakers fail to ask NSA chief about agency's malware plans http://t.co/9Mk005eRIo #law and #nsa are antitheticalMar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworlduk.com | Lawmakers fail to ask NSA chief about agency's malware plans - ComputerworldUK.comMar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #nsa was a nation, the US would have nuked it http://t.co/33dQk1YZRhMar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.networkworld.com | U.S. cyber counterattack: Bomb 'em one way or the otherMar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Leading House Lawmaker Wants NSA Phone-Data Collection to End http://t.co/MLIgOOxITe http://t.co/UuJh40gU1R http://t.co/9P9ZhyReqWMar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> online.wsj.com | Leading House Lawmaker Wants NSA Phone-Data Collection to End - WSJ.comMar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.baltimoresun.com | Ruppersberger calls for an end to NSA's phone data collection - baltimoresun.comMar 13 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.concordmonitor.com | Key lawmaker favors ending NSA data sweeps | Concord MonitorMar 13 08:39
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schestowitz_loghttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444030138502897664  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444030610223673344  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444031110436384768  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444032096173326336Mar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #facebook is harnessed by the #nsa versus "targets", then why are UK recruitment firms treating no FB account (i.e. not "target") as bad?Mar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Survey: Linux demand, salaries on the rise http://t.co/iU8PJVJklE #gnu #linux is hot in the jobs market -- many can attest to itMar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com | Survey: Linux demand, salaries on the rise | ITworldMar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CASE STUDY: Kiwi fruit distributor freshens up with Linux http://t.co/S6sdjZQhXG #gnu #linux #nzMar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworld.co.nz | CASE STUDY: Kiwi fruit distributor freshens up with Linux - T&G, database, DB2, IBM, Windows, DB, Suse linux enterprise server, enterprise IT, Oracle, BayWa, turners and growers, windows server, Sue Linux, SAP, Data Centre, Case Study - Computerworld New ZealandMar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The ultimate guide to migrating an entire office from #Windows to #GNU #Linux http://t.co/JMjcnH0PMf seen it done, not too hardMar 13 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itproportal.com | The ultimate guide to migrating an entire office from Windows to Linux | ITProPortal.comMar 13 09:27
schestowitz_loghttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444033525994749952  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034176703283200  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034486557474817  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444034745593511936Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The press has new word for non-targets killed in #drone #assassinations and that word is "bodyguard", better than "human shield"Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 8 Questions the World Faces as Lethal Drones Proliferate http://t.co/I3iDy78d57 http://t.co/PCBLZLp7Bd #dronesMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com | 8 Questions the World Faces as Lethal Drones Proliferate - Conor Friedersdorf - The AtlanticMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> reason.com | U.N. Report on Drone Strikes Calls for Clearer Global Norms and More Accountability - Hit & Run : Reason.comMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The burden of proof is very heavy if you assassinate people half a globe away using the claims of "self-defense". #occupation #assassinationMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'We cannot "kill" terrorism with a drone.' http://t.co/LjcmrTgNlTMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> online.wsj.com | William K. Lietzau: What Obama Doesn't Get About Gitmo - WSJ.comMar 13 09:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #CIA Is Not a Fourth Branch of Government http://t.co/42a35YmUV0 it acts like a government of its ownMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com | The CIA Is Not a Fourth Branch of Government | Joseph A. PalermoMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Yemeni boy... demonstrating how he ducked in his school as soon as he heard the sound of a plane." http://t.co/J7IHcOcJ7cMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.scoop.co.nz | Fear is fear, no matter where you are from | Scoop NewsMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Obama and his media pals are hypocrites on Putin." http://t.co/iGl7SZwc0ZMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.valleyadvocate.com | The Valley Advocate: News - Between the LinesMar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Yesterday there was another set of #drone assassinations in #yemen killing "suspects" (meaning not much) http://t.co/qQlxXytS21Mar 13 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.oneindia.in | US drone kills three Al Qaeda suspects in Yemen - News OneindiaMar 13 09:29
schestowitz_loghttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444036823510433792  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037105963266048 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037290273562624Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How can secret drones campaign really make us safer? http://t.co/hl8K1CSlCL published widely http://t.co/iQpwqOkdGBMar 13 09:30
schestowitz_loghttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037105963266048  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444037290273562624Mar 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/opinion/drones-campaign-clare-algar-reprieve/m )Mar 13 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.kesq.com | How can secret drones really make us safer? | News - HomeMar 13 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: At #nytimes (mostly #pentagon relay) the question is, WHO does the #assassination not WHETHER http://t.co/TsTWIYkyNIMar 13 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York TimesMar 13 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #nytimes has been responsible for demonising many victims of #drones (even US citizens) after they're killed, can't present their sideMar 13 09:32
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schestowitz__http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-regime-change-destabilization-and-the-hidden-hands-of-u-s-capitalism/5369855Mar 13 10:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Venezuela: Regime Change, Destabilization and the Hidden Hands of U.S. Capitalism | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gqssp ]Mar 13 10:25
schestowitz__MinceR: one wonders if sanctions make a a self-fulfilling prophecyMar 13 10:29
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747313Mar 13 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Drones that electrocute people http://austinist.com/2014/03/10/watch_an_intern_get_shocked_by_a_st.php like thugs (police) but with 0 sympathyMar 13 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> austinist.com | Watch An Intern Get Shocked By A 'Stun Copter' Drone At a SXSW Demo: Austinist [ http://ur1.ca/guga5 ]Mar 13 10:35
schestowitz__"One step closer to a "Cop's eye" but it won't be used for anything good. Maybe it's more like the Star Wars torture drone."Mar 13 10:35
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747207Mar 13 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Assuming #snowden has ~100,000 documents (encrypted, #pentagon says 2 million), sure thing is, after Pierre took over not many revelationsMar 13 10:35
schestowitz__"Is that so? I've been enjoying The Intercept."Mar 13 10:35
schestowitz__Last night they resumed making big news, so let's wait and see...Mar 13 10:36
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526Mar 13 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor confirming stuff that many fear. #android #backdoorMar 13 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org | Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gty26 ]Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__"s, I have to root my device....soon! Is this enough? Is it safe to install something like CyanogenMod instead? Or is therre no escape?"Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__"Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__@Cheery Littlebottom, I wonder how it works.Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__Maybe you can reformat rootfs to different FS…Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__"Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755777Mar 13 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Yesterday there was another set of #drone assassinations in #yemen killing "suspects" (meaning not much) http://news.oneindia.in/international/us-drone-kills-three-al-qaeda-suspects-in-yemen-1411362.htmlMar 13 10:45
schestowitz__"Arbitrary killing, mankind is in good hands."Mar 13 10:45
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3750956Mar 13 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pleased to say that RMS has been reading #techrights for many years. He is happy that he now has #diaspora presence https://joindiaspora.com/people/048b2a2fbd610b16Mar 13 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com | Diaspora* / Sign in [ http://ur1.ca/4c80w ]Mar 13 10:46
schestowitz__"So wait, is he actually using D, or is this just a bot that scrapes his posts and puts them up on our network? :) If he were really using Diaspora, that would be awesome! I seem to remember there was an Emacs extension that could hook into D..."Mar 13 10:46
schestowitz__"It's a bot that scrapes his political notes. <blockquote>Bio Unofficial profile of Richard Stallman for reposting his posts to Diaspora http://stallman.org/</blockquote>"Mar 13 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://stallman.org/</blockquote )Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3751124Mar 13 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Reporters Without Borders says #india about as bad as #gchq and #nsa when it comes to mass #surveillance http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indias-centre-for-development-of-telematics-worst-online-spies-reporters-without-borders/1/347920.htmlMar 13 10:47
schestowitz__"Mar 13 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> indiatoday.intoday.in | Forget NSA, India's Centre for Development of Telematics is one of top 3 worst online spies : India, News - India Today [ http://ur1.ca/gugd1 ]Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__I know that first-hand, you cannot go to an Internet coffee shop or buy an Internet dongle without an Indian ID. And in almost every important building like malls, government offices or big companies, there are metal detectors.Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__But at least they have good reasons to do that: foreign and local terrorist incidents, two countries that are not so good neighbors, and all despite they don't invade countries just for fun as the US.Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__Hope this does not last so much.Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__"Mar 13 10:47
schestowitz__Metal detectors I can understand, but why mass surveillance?Mar 13 10:48
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3748009Mar 13 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Blatant lie (marketing) from #google : "any information inside Google is safe from the government's prying eyes" http://www.campaignindia.in/Article/374775,sxsw14-eric-schmidt-on-julian-assange-gchq-russian-internet-censorship-and-robots.aspxMar 13 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.campaignindia.in | SXSW14: Eric Schmidt on Julian Assange, GCHQ, Russian internet censorship and robots - News - Digital - Campaign India [ http://ur1.ca/gthzl ]Mar 13 10:52
schestowitz__"Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__That's not funny, it's evil. A false sense of security can be worse than no privacy at all. We know that the NSA has boxes in Google that Google uses to cooperate and we know that the NSA also made successful frontal assaults on users. Both mean that people have no privacy in Google, but the worse of the two is the U SAP AT RIOT ACT that demands Google cooperate and lie about it. Schmidt should rather step down than cooperate but Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__there's more bad attitude in the article.Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__    Both [Jared and I] felt that who gets to decide what information is public is a pretty fundamental issue in a democracy, and our general view is that we don't want random people leaking large amounts of data. We don't want random people leaking large amounts of health records or tax records - I don't think that serves society. It's better to have other mechanisms for whistleblowers that don't involve the data permanence problem; Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__because the information, once disclosed, is there forever and can be used against people.Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__That's really wrong and unless it's out of context it is a very evil twist on what whistle blowers and Wikileaks or Snowden in particular are doing. Neither simply dump private information, the organizations are set up to carefully expose public crime. This article makes it look like there's a conflict between Schmidt, and Wikileaks or Snowden, but it might be that they were all in agreement and this is selective quoting.Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__"Mar 13 10:53
schestowitz__Wikileaks has a conflict with Schmidt and his buddy Jared:Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__http://thestringer.com.au/google-and-the-nsa-whos-holding-the-shit-bag-now/Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__Read it. This is illuminating.Mar 13 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thestringer.com.au | Google and the NSA: Who’s holding the ‘shit-bag’ now? | The Stringer [ http://ur1.ca/gugef ]Mar 13 10:54
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3751189Mar 13 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "CIA hacked Senate PCs to delete #torture reports." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/11/senator_feinstein_outraged_that_cia_hacked_her_computers_for_torture_evidence/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/11/senator_feinstein_outraged_that_cia_hacked_her_computers_for_torture_evidence/Mar 13 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | CIA hacked Senate PCs to delete torture reports. And Senator Feinstein is outraged • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/guger ]Mar 13 10:55
schestowitz__"Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__I like <a href="http://stallman.org/archives/2014-jan-apr.html#12March2014(CIAunderminedconstitutionbysearchingsenate_computers)">RMS's take</a>, to welcome the change and help. <blockquote>Rather than condemning her for "self-contradiction" or "hypocrisy", we should invite her to change her previous views.</blockquote>Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__Maybe, unlike Merkel, the change is real and will be long lasting. If we reward her for it and make her feel welcome and heroic, we can increase the chances of it being so. In any case, we should thank her for saying some of the right things.Mar 13 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2014: January - April Political Notes - Richard Stallman [ http://ur1.ca/guget ]Mar 13 10:56
schestowitz__"Mar 13 10:56
MinceRschestowitz__: pretty much the same thing happened even where weren't sanctions. also, they could at least provide fuel to their own citizens, but they don't, afaikMar 13 10:56
schestowitz__maybeMar 13 10:56
schestowitz__but there were coup attemptsMar 13 10:56
schestowitz__and still, I heard they had enjoyed healthcareMar 13 10:56
schestowitz__much of the bad publiciuty may be slanted because I mostly see it in US mediaMar 13 10:57
schestowitz__so farMar 13 10:57
schestowitz__TBH, i don't even think it has much to do with political systemsMar 13 10:57
schestowitz__it's abotu whose interests are servedMar 13 10:57
schestowitz__as stories of banana republics serve to showMar 13 10:58
schestowitz__so to frame it as socialism vs capitalism rather than independent from US empire vs client nation would be serving the propagandaMar 13 10:58
MinceRextreme authoritarian systems tend to be the same regardless of whether they frame themselves as communist/socialist or capitalist or whateverMar 13 10:59
schestowitz__is capitalism orthogonal to authorityMar 13 11:00
schestowitz__Remember that capitalism and democracy are not the sameMar 13 11:00
schestowitz__India and Sweden may be examples of thatMar 13 11:00
schestowitz__here in the UK there's lots of stuff I can't legally doMar 13 11:00
MinceRthe word capitalism is used to refer multiple conflicting thingsMar 13 11:01
schestowitz__socialism, AFAIK, is also about distribution of meansMar 13 11:01
schestowitz__you can have it managed 'softly'Mar 13 11:01
schestowitz__liberallyMar 13 11:01
schestowitz__Russia has huge economic disparityMar 13 11:02
MinceRafaik socialism is also what communists rebranded themselves to after they realized people didn't want itMar 13 11:02
schestowitz__AND it's authoritarianMar 13 11:02
MinceRkadar renamed his party like that, for exampleMar 13 11:02
MinceRnotice the parallel to m$'s search engine and instant messenger :>Mar 13 11:02
schestowitz__hehMar 13 11:02
schestowitz__they call it what now?Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__Last I read, they planned to collapse IM into SkypeMar 13 11:03
MinceRthey didMar 13 11:03
schestowitz__And Live is going extinct as a brandMar 13 11:03
MinceRmaybe it's still available for suxbox usersMar 13 11:03
schestowitz__They use the "Office" and "Bing" brands nowMar 13 11:03
MinceRi can't even follow all the things they called "live"Mar 13 11:03
schestowitz__neither can theyMar 13 11:03
schestowitz__I hardly follow MS news these daysMar 13 11:03
schestowitz__unlesss someone brings that to meMar 13 11:03
Sosumidon't worry about itMar 13 11:23
Sosumiwith m$ nowMar 13 11:23
Sosumiit's just more of the sameMar 13 11:23
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444073527474667520Mar 13 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Samsung Galaxy Back Door, #NSA Malware, Congressional Backlash, More #Drone Strikes, and #Ukraine Intervention http://t.co/cfEzvFglMBMar 13 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Samsung Galaxy Back Door, NSA Malware, Congressional Backlash, More Drone Strikes, and Ukraine Intervention | TechrightsMar 13 11:35
schestowitz__> Those overlap with the backdoors in the second processor I've linked toMar 13 11:37
schestowitz__> before.  I'm also starting to wonder if any FOSS on the mobiles isMar 13 11:37
schestowitz__> pointless until the second processor and its OS get addressed.  It'sMar 13 11:37
schestowitz__> been ignored but clearly that's where the real covert access andMar 13 11:37
schestowitz__> surveillance happens.  Replicant is a great idea and necessary for theMar 13 11:37
schestowitz__> visible processor, but it looks like it is just as important to get thatMar 13 11:37
schestowitz__> hidden second processor covered by FOSS.  I'm sure that if such aMar 13 11:37
schestowitz__> project were to turn up it would be a heck of a fight to get it actuallyMar 13 11:37
schestowitz__> certified.  Certification is apparently why that backdoored system getsMar 13 11:37
schestowitz__> taken as is, there's nothing else.Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__The latest find may suggest that not only the second OS is the issue. I need to look at the technical details..Mar 13 11:37
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444075039307358209Mar 13 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Cecond OS in phones (which facilitates back doors, turning mobiles to listening devices) shows that mixing FOSS with blobs never good enoughMar 13 11:45
schestowitz__*SecondMar 13 11:45
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444079933900734464Mar 13 11:58
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526Mar 13 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy back-door http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor confirming stuff that many fear. #android #backdoorMar 13 12:00
schestowitz__"@XRevan86 that´s Nerdtalk sweety :-) What??? :-D"Mar 13 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org | Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gty26 ]Mar 13 12:00
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/444077999345139712Mar 13 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@markhughes: MT @schestowitz #Samsung OS in phone w #backdoor, turning mobiles to #surveillance devices shows mixing #FOSS with blobs never good enoughMar 13 12:01
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__"Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__I mean that I didn't find explanation of how this backdoor works in an article so I can't say what you have to do to prevent it %).Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__If radiomodule has a FS driver for a backdoor then you can change a FS in order to prevent it working. Like if it works with ext4 then use f2fs and vice versa.Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__If it uses blobs in OS in order to communicate with OS then… well, Replicant would not need to do anything to close a backdoor because they don't use blobs at all.Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__Also about f2fs: support of f2fs included in Linux 3.8+. But I don't know any other ways to reformat except from recovery (CWM, TWRP) and they doesn't seem to have f2fs support %).Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__I mean that I didn't find explanation of how this backdoor works in an article so I can't say what you have to do to prevent it %).Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__If radiomodule has a FS driver for a backdoor then you can change a FS in order to prevent it working. Like if it works with ext4 then use f2fs and vice versa.Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__If it uses blobs in OS in order to communicate with OS then… well, Replicant would not need to do anything to close a backdoor because they don't use blobs at all.Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__Also about f2fs: support of f2fs included in Linux 3.8+. But I don't know any other ways to reformat except from recovery (CWM, TWRP) and they doesn't seem to have f2fs support %).Mar 13 12:10
schestowitz__"Mar 13 12:10
MinceRyou could just block those calls like the replicant guys' patch doesMar 13 12:11
MinceRand see what breaks :>Mar 13 12:11
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Lemtzas/status/444111764313997312Mar 13 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lemtzas: @schestowitz I CAN FEEL THE FREEDOM FROM HEREMar 13 15:35
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/RezwanRazani/status/444111664821309440Mar 13 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RezwanRazani: @schestowitz Have you read Jaron Lanier's "Who Owns The Future"? sounds like the same topic. I got it at the Library. Will purchase soon.Mar 13 15:35
schestowitz__I don't like LanierMar 13 15:35
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755526Mar 13 15:39
schestowitz__"@Cheery Littlebottom, I wrote a lot in my bad English, sorry :-D."Mar 13 15:39
schestowitz__"Veery good English :-) whish I had written like this in your age! I found this, but don´t understand :-D http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/SamsungGalaxyBackdoor #Replicant is an alternative Android https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor so I assumed my CyanogenMod device is safe :-)"Mar 13 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-redmine.replicant.us | SamsungGalaxyBackdoor - Replicant [ http://ur1.ca/gueio ]Mar 13 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/gtxwi ]Mar 13 15:39
schestowitz__"it runs as root - if I am root there can´t be another???? Still rooting my device soon because this backdoor was in one of the apps you can´t deinstall - except you are root :-)"Mar 13 15:40
schestowitz__" Thank you for a link, now I see that suggestion about changing FS is totally useless %). New suggestion: either install Replicant, either install replacements for blobs from Replicant into OmniROM, CyanogenMod or else. And no, your CyanogenMod is not safe because CyanogenMod uses blobs a lot. Including affected one."Mar 13 15:41
schestowitz__"thanx!!!!"Mar 13 15:41
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/RezwanRazani/status/444152836814032896Mar 13 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RezwanRazani: @schestowitz Yes, I looked at it. Read the @AlinaSimone piece. It's not adequate. It's begging for change. http://t.co/sWtkQj8qKZMar 13 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fusionenergyleague.org | Begging for Change: The Dollars and Sense of Making Nonprofits Responsive, Efficient, and RewardingMar 13 16:50
Sosumihttp://lgbtweekly.com/2013/03/20/leading-ukraine-opposition-figure-surprises-supporters-by-denouncing-gay-marriage/Mar 13 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lgbtweekly.com | Leading Ukraine Opposition figure surprises supporters by denouncing gay marriage | LGBT Weekly [ http://ur1.ca/guiiw ]Mar 13 17:28
SosumiYatsenyuk doesn't like gay pplMar 13 17:32
Sosumimeanwhile in the land of the rising sunMar 13 17:32
Sosumi6,3 earthquake near kyuchuMar 13 17:33
DaemonFCshared a link.Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFC4 seconds agoMar 13 17:33
DaemonFChttp://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20140102/big-cigarette-tax-hikes-might-prevent-200-million-deaths-in-a-centuryMar 13 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webmd.com | Big Cigarette Tax Hikes Might Prevent 200 Million Deaths in a Century – WebMD [ http://ur1.ca/guijw ]Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFCIt has been well documented that major tax increases are the biggest deterrent to smoking.Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFCIn the United States, I believe that Congress should raise the tax until you can't go to a state in the country where the price of a pack is under $8.Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFCThey should also pass legislation that reverses the Supreme Court's decision that said that Congress can't force tobacco companies to use plain packaging and graphic warnings. Making it illegal to use the current pack designs might be "unconstitutional", but making a law that says that there's an additional $10 tax per pack that does not meet the plain package and graphic warning requirements set by the FDA would be legal under Congress's power Mar 13 17:33
DaemonFCto tax, which was most recently affirmed by the Supreme Court in their NFIB v. Sebelius ruling, which upheld the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Mar 13 17:33
Sosumifukushima and other closed down installations still standingMar 13 17:34
Sosumieven if they aren't :)Mar 13 17:34
Sosumismoke glue insteadMar 13 17:35
Sosumior snort gasMar 13 17:35
Sosumimuch cheaperMar 13 17:35
Sosumiand you get to die in the same fashionMar 13 17:35
Sosumino! smoke gasMar 13 17:35
Sosumibut sorry, I just don't see what is the enthusiasm in smelling bad and holding a mini torchMar 13 17:37
Sosumihttp://www.voanews.com/content/merkel-russia-risks-massive-damage-in-ukraine-crisis/1870218.htmlMar 13 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Kerry: US, Europe Will Respond if Crimea Referendum Passes [ http://ur1.ca/guikx ]Mar 13 17:39
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444164443128496128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444163156483780608  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444161879183990785  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444161609238609920Mar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #RedHat kicks out sponsor, then relents http://t.co/FIJRYfqI6e "got itself into Red Hat's bad books by competing against it"Mar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itwire.com | Red Hat kicks out sponsor, then relentsMar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How times have changed for #PostgreSQL http://t.co/w4L6EuDwle #postgres I have worked with a lot recentlyMar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | PostgreSQL education and adoption has changed for the better | opensource.comMar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: R.I.P FREE SPEECH: Protesters can now be charged $750 or 2 years gaol for attending protests in Victoria http://t.co/Y9phpGbiGS #auMar 13 17:40
Sosumieurope's answer = preparing for winters without heatingMar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> talkingpoints.com.au | R.I.P FREE SPEECH: Protesters can now be charged $750 or 2 years gaol for attending protests in VictoriaMar 13 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Playing with pebbles of democracy https://t.co/2hHTKAG4IMMar 13 17:40
DaemonFCSosumi: American cigarettes are among the most dangerous in the world, with maybe an exception for the ones that are certified organic.Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__DaemonFC: good news re cigsMar 13 17:41
DaemonFCThose aren't good for you either, but they're not "as bad".Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__bernays and other idiots killed my grandmaMar 13 17:41
schestowitz__brainwashing women into smokingMar 13 17:41
SosumiUSA's answer = leave afeghanistan without their equipment because they wont be using the russian corridor to ship everything backMar 13 17:41
schestowitz__lolMar 13 17:41
DaemonFCschestowitz__: Well, it appeals to them because you do tend to keep weight off when you smoke, but it's not worth the trade.Mar 13 17:41
schestowitz__eventually all the flesh is goneMar 13 17:42
DaemonFCSo you're 10 pounds lighter and you're destroying your body with cigarettes.Mar 13 17:42
schestowitz__and you're just calciumMar 13 17:42
DaemonFCMuch worse to smoke than to be 10 pounds heavier.Mar 13 17:42
schestowitz__but it may be good for pensions companiesMar 13 17:42
schestowitz__which is a business many financial 'firms' are inMar 13 17:42
schestowitz__konock a tax from people's wages and never give returnsMar 13 17:43
DaemonFCI'll tell you how to lose 20 pounds in a year.Mar 13 17:43
DaemonFCCut out two cans of soda per day.Mar 13 17:43
schestowitz__yeah, that's oneMar 13 17:43
schestowitz__we gained wweight here and now compete to lose itMar 13 17:44
schestowitz__around 4 KG eachMar 13 17:44
schestowitz__one way is, low fat milkMar 13 17:44
schestowitz__no ddesserts almostMar 13 17:44
schestowitz__no added oil, more fruitMar 13 17:44
schestowitz__no peanuts and other famous fattening foodsMar 13 17:44
schestowitz__more exercise and even 6 classes of yoga! in the heat, like a saunaMar 13 17:44
schestowitz__played vollyball today in the sun for two hoursMar 13 17:45
MinceR182849 < Sosumi> http://lgbtweekly.com/2013/03/20/leading-ukraine-opposition-figure-surprises-supporters-by-denouncing-gay-marriage/Mar 13 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lgbtweekly.com | Leading Ukraine Opposition figure surprises supporters by denouncing gay marriage | LGBT Weekly [ http://ur1.ca/guiiw ]Mar 13 17:47
MinceRas expected from a member of an EPP observer member partyMar 13 17:47
SosumiEPP?Mar 13 17:48
MinceReuropean people's partyMar 13 17:48
MinceRthe same organization fidesz and kdnp are members ofMar 13 17:48
MinceRand where most of the european governments belong currentlyMar 13 17:48
MinceRperhaps it's time for europeans to come to their fucking senses and stop supporting these fundamentalist partiesMar 13 17:49
Sosumiho the PSD groupMar 13 17:49
MinceRpsd group?Mar 13 17:49
Sosumiyes, the group to which the current coalition government here in portugal belongs toMar 13 17:51
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112Mar 13 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?Mar 13 17:51
Sosumi*p00rtugalMar 13 17:51
schestowitz__"Who do you serve, and who do you trust?"Mar 13 17:52
SosumiRT at moment needs house clearingMar 13 17:52
schestowitz__I serve free, just society, and I trust almost none of the corporate (private, for power/profit) pressMar 13 17:52
Sosumiand stop serving as the feed for the libertarian demagoguesMar 13 17:53
MinceRah, the portuguese EPP member partyMar 13 17:53
cubezzzMinceR, so has Hungary switched more to linux now?Mar 13 17:56
MinceRi don't knowMar 13 17:56
DaemonFCschestowitz__: Yeah, my first job was a union job.Mar 13 17:56
MinceRfrom what i see, the country is still a wretched hive of m$ cultismMar 13 17:56
DaemonFCThey got us decent pay and good health insurance. Short and Long Term Disability insurance. Good dental insurance.Mar 13 17:57
MinceRpeople clinging to their unusable crap with 10 fingersMar 13 17:57
DaemonFCThe union had what was basically a backdoor dues system.Mar 13 17:57
MinceRthey seem to love their crappy vista7 and their craptastic exchange and outlookMar 13 17:57
DaemonFCThey had a "pension plan" where the company would contribute like 50 cents per hour worked, but you had to work there 7 years or else you didn't qualify to get any of your pension back.Mar 13 17:58
MinceRthe government are a bunch of crApple cultistsMar 13 17:58
DaemonFCSo the union just made off with all the pension money I earned during the two years I was there.Mar 13 17:58
cubezzzsome Hungarian teachers made SuliX and also Frugalware is HugarianMar 13 17:58
MinceRyeah, there's a bit of resistanceMar 13 17:58
MinceRon the other hand, mobile and Android are taking over here too, it seemsMar 13 18:00
MinceRso maybe m$ will end up losing due to the PC being marginalized here as wellMar 13 18:00
cubezzzthings are changing, as they always doMar 13 18:00
cubezzzyou mentioned you used mwm at work, what OS is that running on?Mar 13 18:02
MinceRa fork of SLEDMar 13 18:03
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/terminsane/status/444171581204353024Mar 13 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@terminsane: @schestowitz yeh, its part of the NAU deal. Canadian politicians are being bought by US govt to give up canadian sovereigntyMar 13 18:03
MinceRwell, if it deserves to be called a forkMar 13 18:03
cubezzzI wonder why they picked mwmMar 13 18:13
MinceRprobably because that system is ancient and mwm was modern when they started developing it :>Mar 13 18:16
Sosumicanada is part of the commonwealthMar 13 18:17
MinceRi wonder if the monarch abuses her privileges there like in the ukMar 13 18:17
Sosumifor that to happen, the british crown would have to give up sovereignty on canadaMar 13 18:17
cubezzzMinceR, I found that mwm does run faster than KDE 3.5Mar 13 18:18
MinceRi'm pretty sure canadians could declare independence if they wanted toMar 13 18:18
cubezzzuses less memory tooMar 13 18:18
MinceRfvwm uses even less memory, afaik :>Mar 13 18:19
cubezzzlol, I remember one guy who wouldn't even run XMar 13 18:19
MinceRi remember hearing about such guys here, around 2000Mar 13 18:20
MinceR(as in the year, not the number of guys)Mar 13 18:20
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFCUnlike Laz, I am fair and impartial. When a company has been behaving badly, I don't try to sweep it all under the rug.Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFCIn this case, it's a Samsung specific issue. If anyone can prove that my LG G2 has been similarly booby trapped, then I'll gladly eat some humble pie.Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFCThe most disturbing part of this is that Samsung devices are all Google certified, so either Google knew of this backdoor in the proprietary libsamsung-ipc, and approved it anyway, or they overlooked it during the certification process.Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFCThe problem with Android is that the version you get on actual devices always relies on some proprietary software. The thing that makes Apple worse is that iOS is almost completely proprietary and it is certainly not possible for anyone to ever release a corrected version of it without the spyware and backdoors.Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFCThe beauty of Freedom respecting software is that if someone makes a version that does something nasty, someone else can come along and fix it, and that's exactly what Replicant's developers did in this case. They saw what libsamsung-ipc did, and replaced it with a fully Free library that stands in for it without the booby trap that Samsung put in theirs.Mar 13 18:23
DaemonFCOn the whole, Android is a better choice than iOS, even if it has some of the same problems as iOS, because nobody can ever fix iOS and offer iPhone or iPad users a choice. The best that anyone can do with iOS is crack it, replace part of the OS, and open up the possibility of additional software sources, after voiding the warranty. Mar 13 18:23
cubezzzdude, it's like you're blogging _in_ IRCMar 13 18:23
DaemonFCyeah :)Mar 13 18:23
MinceRi doubt google audits stuff like this for their certificationMar 13 18:24
cubezzzdid mwm ever have a program to access the clipboard?Mar 13 18:27
MinceRisn't xsel good enough? :>Mar 13 18:28
MinceRor xclipboardMar 13 18:28
MinceRor even parcelliteMar 13 18:29
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/other/nouveau-retro-desktop.pngMar 13 18:35
DaemonFCSomeone said that Obama voters believe that he can turn water into wine.Mar 13 18:36
DaemonFCI said, "He can turn water into wine, the same way that anyone else can. Through a scientific process that goes back at least several thousand years."Mar 13 18:36
MinceRcubezzz: klipper sticks out :>Mar 13 18:37
cubezzzthat's the nouveau part :)Mar 13 18:37
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFCChristians believe that their demigod walked on water. Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFC generalblue (Proud PS4 Owner) says:Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFCLiberals believe that Obama can turn water into wine. Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFCObama can turn water into wine the same way anyone else can.Mar 13 18:43
DaemonFCThrough a scientific process that goes back at least several thousand years. Mar 13 18:43
MinceR:>Mar 13 18:43
MinceRit's more of a traditional one than a scientific one, reallyMar 13 18:44
MinceRsome people discovered they like spoiled fruit juice :>Mar 13 18:44
cubezzzxclipboard must have been dropped by most distrosMar 13 18:45
MinceRi've only seen it mentioned in the xsel docsMar 13 18:45
MinceRdidn't really look for it :>Mar 13 18:45
cubezzzvery quaint, it shows one line at a timeMar 13 18:52
cubezzzno wonder everybody dumped itMar 13 18:52
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757627Mar 13 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Playing with pebbles of democracy https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_56dbef74d7fb4bc55bb3.jpgMar 13 18:53
schestowitz__"Lots of democracy."Mar 13 18:53
schestowitz__http://www.zdnet.com/ibm-is-spending-but-is-it-enough-to-buy-the-cloud-7000026796/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9Mar 13 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | IBM is spending, but is it enough to buy the cloud? | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/guj3w ]Mar 13 19:09
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444183787841531906  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444186329027727360   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444188404176404480  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444189723591200768   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190041481703424Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gentoo and #sabayon #gnu #linux have been eerily quiet for a number of months. Are they done compiling (not Sabayon, Gentoo)?Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Eurocom Begins Offering #gnu #linux High Performance Laptops http://t.co/oCUxevplQEMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Eurocom Begins Offering Linux High Performance LaptopsMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Raspberry Pi: Fun with a serious purpose http://t.co/Kihdef0JFS #raspberrypi #linuxMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Raspberry Pi: Fun with a serious purpose | ZDNetMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Tim Berners-Lee's first browser was simple and text-driven. " no DRM. http://t.co/JGyrG0HXt7Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | The browser's resized future in a fragmented www world • The RegisterMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.Mar 13 19:26
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190312014311424  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190588112748544  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444190950479659008   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444191706305818625   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444192088843108353Mar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Getty Images Allows Free Embedding, but at What Cost to Privacy? https://t.co/cdMlWcsEo5 so it was a publicity stunt only. #getty #failMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eff.org | Getty Images Allows Free Embedding, but at What Cost to Privacy? | Electronic Frontier FoundationMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM http://t.co/mLX5TTjUh3 #drm #timbl #lockin #hollywebMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM | Technology | theguardian.comMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Tim Berners-Lee: 'We should have ways of protecting people like Snowden' http://t.co/wEgBMehfUm and #hollywood apparentlyMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Tim Berners-Lee: 'We should have ways of protecting people like Snowden' | Technology | theguardian.comMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google tries to protect the #privacy of Chinese citizens while trashing privacy of Westerners http://t.co/ddewmiWeMJ it's all political thenMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Google encrypts search text in ChinaMar 13 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google's latest publicity stunt neglects to mention that Google, the MITM, gives #nsa and #gchq access to the text data. #privacy #pr #spinMar 13 19:26
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Sosumihttp://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462551&d=1393353919Mar 13 19:41
SosumilolMar 13 19:41
Sosumialso mega accident just now at my corner of the streetMar 13 19:42
Sosumia dude just crashed his pegaut roadster in a parked carMar 13 19:43
Sosumi*intoMar 13 19:43
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Sosumithe dude didn't get any injuriesMar 13 19:44
Sosumibut the crashing and all the pieces flyingMar 13 19:44
SosumiawesomeMar 13 19:44
DaemonFCSomeone told me that a person isn't poor if they have a DVD player.Mar 13 19:46
DaemonFCI said "Wow, you've solved the problem. Let's just give everyone a $20 DVD player and nobody will be poor!"Mar 13 19:46
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DaemonFCIt's still pretty easy to get a massive television set for free if you're not picky.Mar 13 19:47
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DaemonFCPeople give away those old standard definition sets all the time.Mar 13 19:47
DaemonFCYou can get an antenna and a DTV to analog converter for a song.Mar 13 19:47
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444196619727405056Mar 13 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Android-based robot aims for Rubik’s Cube record http://t.co/yPmggrWE1e #android #linuxMar 13 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxgizmos.com | Android-based robot aims for Rubik's Cube record ·  LinuxGizmos.comMar 13 19:55
DaemonFCThe city did something really dumb.Mar 13 19:56
DaemonFCThey waited more than 24 hours after the snow storm to plow my street. It's all going to melt tomorrow anyway.Mar 13 19:56
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3747933Mar 13 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: World Bank to lend #Ukraine $3bn http://rt.com/business/world-bank-3bn-ukraine-042/ a banker's 'solution' is life-long #debtMar 13 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> rt.com | ​World Bank to lend Ukraine $3bn — RT Business [ http://ur1.ca/gtnrq ]Mar 13 19:56
schestowitz__"I have read Al Jazeera news a few times and were surprisingly good, but I don't like so much muslim countries so I don't look for Al Jazeera news on my own."Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758143Mar 13 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__"He used a NEXT computer (with NEXTStep running on it), according to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb#History And of course NEXTStep contained large chunks of BSD (NetBSD and FreeBSD I think) so Unix is right."Mar 13 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | WorldWideWeb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gujcx ]Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757233Mar 13 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When systems are designed with back doors in mind (as in NEEDING those) it should be no surprise that financial transactions are riskyMar 13 19:57
schestowitz__"I have been seriously thinking about having some cash in my house because of that."Mar 13 19:57
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112Mar 13 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__"Still no interest in whole truth."Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__"I don't like Russia so much but certainly I like RT News, I try to take whatever is good."Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__"Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__@Cronos, it's a pity that there isn't anything like RT in Russian %).Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__Quality of Russian TV is… something.Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__'Mar 13 19:58
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758018Mar 13 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gentoo and #sabayon #gnu #linux have been eerily quiet for a number of months. Are they done compiling (not Sabayon, Gentoo)?Mar 13 19:59
schestowitz__"never ending story :P probably re-compiling with more optimal flags"Mar 13 19:59
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444203797217562624Mar 13 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Kernel News: Linux 3.14 RC6, MOOC, ARM Support in Xen and More http://t.co/3Cnffqjtnn #linux newsMar 13 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Kernel News: Linux 3.14 RC6, MOOC, ARM Support in Xen and More | TechrightsMar 13 20:10
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444205495008915457Mar 13 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Today in #Techrights http://t.co/PvGhxXWuGbMar 13 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesMar 13 20:17
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757754Mar 13 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I remember days when Linux Journal was a Web site about #linux ... oh, the memories...Mar 13 20:21
schestowitz__"Yup, I was reading Linux gazette also http://linuxgazette.net/archives.html ... so many years ago..."Mar 13 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgazette.net | Linux Gazette : ArchivesMar 13 20:21
schestowitz__I was thinking about them too earlier todayMar 13 20:21
DaemonFChttps://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/1921081_726786257355858_308957311_o.jpgMar 13 20:27
MinceRat least you have real roadsMar 13 20:28
schestowitz__DaemonFC: I like this jokeMar 13 20:36
schestowitz__seen similarMar 13 20:36
schestowitz__MinceR: does absurdistan have no real roads?Mar 13 20:37
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444207673085812736  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444209306620428288Mar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Which FOSS libraries are the most common on Android platform http://t.co/1PDRFmAi6tMar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.advogato.org | Advogato: Which FOSS libraries are the most common on Android platformMar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "First they came for the Muslims, but I was not a Muslim so did not speak up." http://t.co/dqB00xAm4gMar 13 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> anniemachon.ch | Niemoeller Redux - Using Our IntelligenceMar 13 20:38
MinceRschestowitz__: it has pathetic roadsMar 13 20:42
SosumiDaemonFC, a jetpack would do the trick in thereMar 13 20:43
MinceRnot enough lanes, extremely low quality, stupid signageMar 13 20:43
MinceRin budapest, they made sure there was not enough space left for roads, evenMar 13 20:43
Sosumiwe don't have that kind of problem hereMar 13 20:44
Sosumionly some small interneraries serving remote places are like that,Mar 13 20:45
Sosumito the point if there is car coming on the oposite directionMar 13 20:45
Sosumiyou need to get out of the roadMar 13 20:45
DaemonFCI try to minimize the amount of time I drive.Mar 13 20:53
DaemonFCWith gas being what it is, I tend to combine trips as much as possible.Mar 13 20:54
DaemonFCLike, I'll do laundry and grocery shopping on the day that I have to go to the doctor's office.Mar 13 20:55
DaemonFCThat way I'm not running around, burning another gallon of gas to do the same stuff on different trips.Mar 13 20:55
DaemonFCWhen my car was made, gas was $1.10 a gallon on a bad day.Mar 13 20:55
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444214887620030464Mar 13 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #phoronix gets it wrong http://t.co/yRbVTkgIxAMar 13 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gamedev.net | I almost fell for this... - OpenGL - GameDev.netMar 13 21:01
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3758143Mar 13 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Gavin makes it look like Tim B-L was a Windows user. AFAIK, he was a UNIX/Solaris user when he created the Web, inspired by RMS.Mar 13 21:02
schestowitz__"That's what Cern shows http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/WorldWideWeb.html the first client was built on a Next workstation. <img src="http://www.w3.org/History/1994/WWW/Journals/CACM/screensnap2_24c.gif">"Mar 13 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3.org | Tim Berners-Lee: WorldWideWeb, the first Web client [ http://ur1.ca/gujnh ]Mar 13 21:02
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757147Mar 13 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Amazon: hosting illegally-obtained data (with $600m contract) for criminal #cia but dumping #wikileaks from its servers for showing crimesMar 13 21:02
schestowitz__"We got this thing under control ... "Mar 13 21:02
schestowitz__Amazon made its showcase, got a big. lucrative dealMar 13 21:03
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sebsebseb_schestowitz__: HIMar 13 21:20
sebsebseb_MinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi  this SaturdayMar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_I got the oppertunity to uhmmMar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_promote openSUSE with KDE to teh general public hmmMar 13 21:21
MinceRewMar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_orMar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_Ubuntu with UNityMar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_orMar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_Mint with CinnamonMar 13 21:21
sebsebseb_I think they pruposuly out voted Magiea and GNOME 3 in November, thinking  I would just say it's better than the other stuff etcMar 13 21:22
Sosumimint with cinnamon for the lesser evilMar 13 21:22
sebsebseb_Sosumi: yeah or Ubuntu with UNity ?Mar 13 21:22
Sosumihasn't Markie Shutleworm kind of fallen out of favor?Mar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_well yes and noMar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_,but htis event is aimed at general publicMar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_not that technical peopleMar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_the idea is they pick an interface rather htan a distroMar 13 21:23
sebsebseb_or mainly  pick something by interfaceMar 13 21:23
SosumiI seeMar 13 21:23
Sosumithen it is a tie between mint and ubuntuMar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_they  will have the same kind of plymouth themeMar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_and same kind of addiontal apps mainlyMar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_codecs etcMar 13 21:24
sebsebseb_Sosumi: yeah openSUSE pftMar 13 21:25
sebsebseb_plenty of other distros that do KDE goodMar 13 21:25
sebsebseb_oh and Yast that aparnatly is so good uhmmm,  there's that nice control centre in Magiea and suchMar 13 21:25
SosumiDaemonFC, I've been using public transportation as of late,Mar 13 21:25
MinceRyeah, yast is so goodMar 13 21:25
sebsebseb_MinceR: yeah that's sarcasm?Mar 13 21:26
MinceRfor example, when i start yast from the icewm menu, it asks for the password and then does nothingMar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_like saying oh, Yast is so amazing? when it's not?Mar 13 21:26
MinceRand when i start it from rxvt-native, the whole screen falls apartMar 13 21:26
Sosumiwith my current schedule, there is no point and I get to my destination way faster without the need to find a parking spotMar 13 21:26
MinceRafaict it's rather ill-behavedMar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_well at least the video that's going to be used for the eventMar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_makes it nice and clear in the open suse reviewMar 13 21:26
MinceRthen again, that's what i generally find with Microsoft Linux, SuSE EditionMar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_that it's more for power usersMar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_that should put some peope off I guess :DMar 13 21:26
sebsebseb_and KDE is all gekey etcMar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_anyway seems I am heping in the demo area :)Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_where they get to play around with the three distrosMar 13 21:27
SosumiKDE is cool, could be a lot betterMar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_means I can talk to people to then :D about stuffMar 13 21:27
MinceRkde is not geekyMar 13 21:27
Sosumibut still kewlMar 13 21:27
Sosumialso nothing geeky about itMar 13 21:27
DaemonFCThe last time I used Yast, it crashed a lot, it was still using Qt3, which had been abandoned for 4 years upstream at that point, it was very slow updating the software list, it had conflicts between several repositories that OpenSUSE recommended, and the extension to deal with orphans was broken and could not be installed.Mar 13 21:27
sebsebseb_video first,  demo area next,  and then  re mastered usb  they get given else where and get to try on own machine if bought alongMar 13 21:28
Sosumiwant to go geeky? just use the terminalMar 13 21:28
sebsebseb_Sosumi: MinceR  KDE looks like WIndows,but hten is realy geeky once trying to customise and such in my experienceMar 13 21:28
sebsebseb_get in a mess to  moving icons around and suchMar 13 21:28
MinceRi mean kde seems to be aimed at non-geeky users, with lots of eye candy and little flexibilityMar 13 21:28
MinceRsince 4.xMar 13 21:28
sebsebseb_MinceR:  I am not sure about thatMar 13 21:28
MinceRsure, it's not gnome3 :>Mar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_,but I Think what I just put still applysMar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_once you start doing something more than just the basicsMar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_with KDEMar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_get in a messMar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_that's why I put the background changer slide show on and that's about as far as I go when it comes to "trying" to cusotmise KDEMar 13 21:29
sebsebseb_,becuase I Have had it before, the icons  being moved arounda ll over on the panel and not being able to put back,  and the buncy ball enabled and not just being able to disable it and stuff like thatMar 13 21:30
sebsebseb_Mageia is nice enough for KDE  Mar 13 21:30
sebsebseb_as are most distros really that run KDE,  but yeah it's openSUSE with KDEMar 13 21:30
sebsebseb_for eventMar 13 21:30
MinceRstuff like that makes me value software that is configured via a text file :>Mar 13 21:31
sebsebseb_stuff like what?Mar 13 21:31
MinceRlike openbox and the lxde panelMar 13 21:31
MinceRoh, wrong "stuff"Mar 13 21:31
sebsebseb_I think i'll be in the demo area trying to sell Ubuntu or Mint :)Mar 13 21:31
MinceRstuff like KDE refusing to configure itself the way you want toMar 13 21:31
sebsebseb_someone else can do suse a bitMar 13 21:32
MinceRor forgetting its settings :>Mar 13 21:32
*sebsebseb_ appanratly is good at marketing stuff like thisMar 13 21:32
sebsebseb_I guess give peple osme perosnal opinons and such toMar 13 21:32
sebsebseb_and then let them decideMar 13 21:32
sebsebseb_MinceR: Sosumi however what got me started chatting about all this again is uhmmMar 13 21:32
sebsebseb_there's this other gorup  that I go to, I gave a few flyers out before,  about event, but  still many peope won't know about itMar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_people who may find it useful Mar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_or well some of them anywayMar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_I was going to email  the mailing list on Monday about the event, but I wasnt' happy with what I came up with each time I Tried etcMar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_to geekyMar 13 21:33
sebsebseb_I am going to be talking about events and  so on next Thursday there as well it seems.  ,but I am just thinking shoud I bother emailing them or not to the listMar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_I Mean if I do that as wel, some  may go to the event, and pick openSUSE uhMar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_as wellMar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_openSUSE defiently has nice merchandice, but I woudn'treally recommend it as a distro to someoneMar 13 21:34
MinceRneither would iMar 13 21:34
sebsebseb_KDE can run in plenty of other distros and nicelyMar 13 21:35
sebsebseb_yast uhmmm well Magiea etc has the control centre so uhmm, who needs yast really??Mar 13 21:35
sebsebseb_why woudn't you recommend openSUSE?Mar 13 21:35
sebsebseb_Mint has some settings type stuff to reallyMar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_yast isn't neededMar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_MinceR: also to promote  LInux to people from my other group,  well it's a speaking group :dMar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_MinceR: so I don'treally ned them to come to an event such as this one on SaturdayMar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_that's what I am thinkingMar 13 21:36
sebsebseb_I can demo stuff on my netbook, an talk to people there about it,  just genral talk, and sometimes in talks evenMar 13 21:37
sebsebseb_and then there isn't just peopel going off to some distro I didn't really want them to as such I guess as well,  well ok they still decide stuff, but I think you get what I Mean?Mar 13 21:37
sebsebseb_if they go to event, they can pick up a remasterd USB,  of  Ubuntu, Mint, or openSUSE  depending on what they chooseMar 13 21:37
sebsebseb_I think main reason I am hmm to emailing there is since it will seem a bit off topic,  and I'll just make myself look much more geeky maybe and yeah uhMar 13 21:38
sebsebseb_MinceR: comments?Mar 13 21:40
MinceRmehMar 13 21:40
sebsebseb_MinceR: looking like a geeek, to much,can seem bad Mar 13 21:40
sebsebseb_MinceR: Sosumi Mint wel in for the event, since event is about live sessionsMar 13 21:42
sebsebseb_,but generally who needs Mint?Mar 13 21:42
sebsebseb_can run CInnamon in other distros now quite a few :)  plus there are other similar interfaces around and yeahMar 13 21:42
sebsebseb_I tried to get  Mint out before sort of, and yeahMar 13 21:43
sebsebseb_MinceR:  38 Facebook likes the other day I ThinkMar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_MinceR: 54 when I lookd ealrierMar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_ok so  one of htose is mine, one is the other organtier, and maybe another one or two as wellMar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_,but I guess it means 50 "other" people liked the event otMar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_MinceR:  and  not sure how well the Google adveritsing is working or notMar 13 21:44
sebsebseb_,but been coming up quite a lot apparnatlyMar 13 21:45
sebsebseb_so I guess the event will get the 50 to 80 or so expected people then,  and witout me advertising it on the mailing list to that other group?Mar 13 21:45
Sosumijust see if someone else gets opensusieMar 13 21:46
sebsebseb_Sosumi: what do you mean?Mar 13 21:46
sebsebseb_Sosumi: see if  these "other" peopel from else whre,  go and choose opensuse or whatever they choose?Mar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_is that what you mean?Mar 13 21:47
SosumiyesMar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_Sosumi: yep exactly that's what I am thinkingMar 13 21:47
Sosumiso that you get either mint or ubuntuMar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_uh?Mar 13 21:47
sebsebseb_Sosumi: from my other gorup I am thinking I may be able to convert some to Magiea later on :dMar 13 21:48
Sosumiwell, if that other ppl get ubuntu and/or mintMar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_some time Mar 13 21:48
Sosumiall you'll be left is with opensusieMar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_Sosumi: ,but if they go to eventMar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_they   may go to opensue or something  maybe some of them I don't knowMar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_Sosumi: the three of htem will be togehter on the demo pc'sMar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_Sosumi: ,but if I mainly promote Ubuntu and MintMar 13 21:48
sebsebseb_then probably not that many will go with opensuse :DMar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_they will want a Mint and Ubuntu remaster or both :)Mar 13 21:49
SosumiokMar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_and openSUSE will be like hMar 13 21:49
Sosumigood thenMar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_ehMar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_plus I think the video makes it seem that opensuse is for power users quite technical etcMar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_Sosumi: yeah and the openSUSE guy uhmmMar 13 21:49
sebsebseb_I am not htere to promtoe openSUSE that's my whole pointMar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_I would have been there promoting Mageia properly and GNOME 3, but they out voted that soMar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_at lest that and Fedora is mentioned in hand out thoughMar 13 21:50
sebsebseb_Sosumi: MinceR  yeah FODEM this time went to no talks,  spent two days promoting the newly releasedMageia 4 release to people instead at the standMar 13 21:51
sebsebseb_and now this event  that's coming up on Saturdya, it seems I am doing Ubuntu and Mint, whilst mentioning Mageia a bit   I guess as wellMar 13 21:51
SosumigoodMar 13 21:51
Sosumibut I don't see the point in promoting gnome3Mar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_,ut would have liked toh ave done Mgaeia properly,  andGNOME 3, but htey out voted that soMar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_Sosumi: MinceR and also my point is, i people from my other gorup uhmmm may go to Magiea or something once I Talkd properly about that :)Mar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_some of htemMar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_or might htink, oh that's interesitng, I want to know moreMar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_,but if htey go to event hten uhmm, they may go to opensuse or somethingMar 13 21:52
sebsebseb_dependsMar 13 21:52
Sosumihttps://twitter.com/Steiner1776/status/444200251713683456Mar 13 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Steiner1776: #Ukraine #Donetsk Seems like the #Euromaidan #Nazi forces received a heavy beating tonight in #Donetsk http://t.co/1mQ7qiP4u8 via @blacblocMar 13 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@euromaidan: Донецкое побоище сегодня. http://t.co/3HmYCw7LmNMar 13 21:53
sebsebseb_anywayreally it's there event not mine, I Just decided to help out a bit in other ways anyway, since there  woudn't hav been another eventMar 13 21:54
sebsebseb_Sosumi: MinceR and the re master idea uhmm right,  ok used for dmoeing mainly, but better people learn how to start using offical ISO  for a distro really :) if going to useMar 13 21:54
SosumiI'm going to bedMar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_Sosumi: oh only 10pm though?Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_a bit earlyMar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_?Mar 13 21:56
Sosumisebsebseb, good luck at the eventMar 13 21:56
SosumiI leave home at 6:40Mar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_ohMar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_in the morningMar 13 21:56
sebsebseb_ok fair enough thenMar 13 21:56
Sosumigo to the gym, classes at 9Mar 13 21:57
Sosumiat home by 13:30Mar 13 21:57
Sosumithen study do some workMar 13 21:57
SosumignMar 13 21:57
cubezzzI'm seeing a lot of ntp shenanigans these daysMar 13 22:03
cubezzzsebsebseb, didn't mageia have a KDE 3.5 version?Mar 13 22:04
cubezzzsimplymageia or somethingMar 13 22:04
sebsebseb_cubezzz: nopeMar 13 22:11
sebsebseb_don't think soMar 13 22:11
sebsebseb_nopeMar 13 22:11
sebsebseb_it supports KDE 4 and not 3Mar 13 22:11
sebsebseb_cubezzz: ntp shenagisns oh what you mean?Mar 13 22:12
cubezzzhttp://thehackernews.com/2014/02/NTP-Distributed-Denial-of-Service-DDoS-attack.htmlMar 13 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Largest Ever 400Gbps DDoS attack hits Europe uses NTP Amplification - The Hacker News [ http://ur1.ca/gujvx ]Mar 13 22:14
cubezzzsebsebseb, yeah there was something called "simplymageia" but it seems to have disappearedMar 13 22:15
cubezzzmaybe it's oldMar 13 22:15
sebsebseb_that's not offical whatever that isMar 13 22:15
sebsebseb_I thinkMar 13 22:15
MinceRgnMar 13 22:16
DaemonFCschestowitz__: We should call on the CyanogenMod maintainers to oust libsamsung-ipc and replace it with the library from Replicant.Mar 13 22:44
DaemonFCThat would fix this particular backdoor without totally crippling the phone. :PMar 13 22:44
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DaemonFCWatching Star Trek: First Contact on Blu Ray.Mar 14 00:18
DaemonFCMom was pissed at me because she dragged us all to some chick flick in 1996, and I snuck into the theater that was playing Star Trek: First Contact instead. She didn't realize I wasn't in their theater until their movie was over.Mar 14 00:18
DaemonFCA Star Trek movie with Captain Picard and the Borg most definitely beats the crap out of whatever it was we were there to see, I'm sure.Mar 14 00:18
DaemonFCI watched Gravity a few nights ago. That movie sucked. It was obviously meant for big screen 3d eye candy, except that I don't have a 3dtv, so I just got to watch Sandra Bullock get tossed around in space for two hours. Blagggh. At least George Clooney died.Mar 14 00:18
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Sosumihttp://www.gerhard-wisnewski.de/Multilingual/english/War-on-15-March.htmlMar 14 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gerhard-wisnewski.de | gerhard-wisnewski.de - Ukraine: War on 15 March? [ http://ur1.ca/gum66 ]Mar 14 06:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux supportMar 14 07:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/jxoI8prRSfMar 14 07:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gumj0Mar 14 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support | Tux MachinesMar 14 07:26
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444384473300606976  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/444384540719869952Mar 14 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support http://t.co/Q8Pl2eVgZY #games #gnu #linuxMar 14 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com | GoG dropping a teeny hint about Linux support | MuktwareMar 14 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.13 http://t.co/OO0rflWbah #kde #gnu #linux #kde4Mar 14 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> dot.kde.org | KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.13 | KDE.newsMar 14 08:09
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MinceRgeekingsMar 14 09:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications andMar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Platform 4.13 http://t.co/Kn83MjILiAMar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gunmoMar 14 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Ships Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.13 | Tux MachinesMar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines@xusaxii         @tuxmachines http://t.co/q2Afb3t2rN #YavupMar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gunmpMar 14 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-301 redirect without Location headerMar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve fires another shot in its war againstMar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Windows gaming dominance http://t.co/iBEY37tWTHMar 14 10:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gunmrMar 14 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Valve fires another shot in its war against Windows gaming dominance | Tux MachinesMar 14 10:06
schestowitz__> I think the problem started after I posted one of the YouTube videos. The only problem is I have tried all methods and URLs to try to gain access and/or edit the weblog, but I cannot connect.Mar 14 10:10
schestowitz__"Mark Zuckerberg Says The US Has Become A Threat To, Rather Than AMar 14 10:21
schestowitz__Champion For, The Internet"Mar 14 10:21
schestowitz__https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140313/13450726570/mark-zuckerberg-says-us-has-become-threat-to-rather-than-champion-internet.shtmlMar 14 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | Mark Zuckerberg Says The US Has Become A Threat To, Rather Than A Champion For, The Internet | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/gunq2 ]Mar 14 10:21
schestowitz__And then there is Facebook itself...Mar 14 10:21
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3755538Mar 14 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYyNzU #ubuntu #gnu #linuxMar 14 10:28
schestowitz__"Well... as much as I'm not a fan of the idea of Mir, it's got to be an improvement. I've often found screencapturing solutions could be a bit of a nightmare under Linux and particularly Ubuntu."Mar 14 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Mir Gets Screencasting Improvements, Other Changes [ http://ur1.ca/gunro ]Mar 14 10:28
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3757112Mar 14 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people in the West have audacity to dismiss #rt for being Kremlin-funded but to overlook #bbc et al. How about Russian-speaking BBC?Mar 14 10:28
schestowitz__"I stopped watching local television long time ago, it's simply not worth the time. And about getting news that are true, accurate and fair, from only one source, and in your own language, I think that's a pipe dream. I live in a banana republic, but I don't think US television and news are better. Maybe European tv, but I don't know."Mar 14 10:28
schestowitz__Europe has too many languagesMar 14 10:29
schestowitz__off to Birmingham for the day, back late at night...Mar 14 10:34
Sosumihttp://www.gerhard-wisnewski.de/Multilingual/english/-New-Ukraine-leader-is-an-agent-of-NATO.htmlMar 14 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gerhard-wisnewski.de | gerhard-wisnewski.de - Order subversion: New Ukraine leader is an agent of NATO [ http://ur1.ca/guo12 ]Mar 14 11:22
SosumiI had said it beforeMar 14 11:23
Sosumimain objective of taking ukraine was for the missile shieldMar 14 11:23
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-14/krimea-kerry-caption-contestMar 14 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | "Krimea Kerry" Caption Contest | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/guok2 ]Mar 14 13:12
SosumiLong Face LavrovMar 14 13:12
Sosumiand Ftard KerryMar 14 13:14
Sosumiftard ketshup kerryMar 14 13:14
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MinceRhttp://forgifs.com/gallery/d/216489-1/Cork-pulled-guns-Texas.gifMar 14 14:29
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_GoblinQuiet day? Mar 14 15:16
MinceRhayMar 14 15:59
_Goblin:)Mar 14 16:09
_Goblinor....Mar 14 16:09
_GoblinBonjourMar 14 16:09
_GoblinBTW - Promote to channel - Peppermint 4 - excellent distro...Mar 14 16:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Peppermint 4 - Turns a netbook into aMar 14 16:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Chromebook http://t.co/NEdotSeul0Mar 14 16:13
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gupw6Mar 14 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Peppermint 4 - Turns a netbook into a Chromebook | Tux MachinesMar 14 16:13
_GoblinI'd say it goes far further than a chromebookMar 14 16:19
_Goblinits merely a bare bones linux distro that defaults to the cloud services mostly but allows the scope of a "normal" linux distroMar 14 16:19
Sosumiit's fridayMar 14 16:33
Sosumimeanwhile, long face lavrov's speech about crimeaMar 14 16:37
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MicqZRnAkOgMar 14 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Lavrov: If Kosovo is a special case then Crimea is also - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/guq2d ]Mar 14 16:37
Sosumistill waiting something from ketchup kerryMar 14 16:38
Sosumiketchup kerry: if there is  referendum, ofc there will be sanctionsMar 14 16:57
Sosumito whom?Mar 14 16:57
Sosumirussia or crimea?Mar 14 16:57
MinceRthat is not decided yetMar 14 16:57
MinceRbut there will be sanctions!Mar 14 16:57
_Goblinlol...sanctions....Mar 14 17:01
_Goblinwhat sanctions ? The UK is impotent and needs Russia far more.Mar 14 17:02
MinceRwhat does the uk need russia for?Mar 14 17:02
_GoblinTrade...how much investment by the Russians? Much I think...Mar 14 17:02
_GoblinalsoMar 14 17:02
_GoblinfuelMar 14 17:02
MinceRicMar 14 17:02
_Goblinand keep in mind, its very easy for the US to jump up and down, but what on Earth can they do?Mar 14 17:03
_GoblinThe US wouldn't dare take on Russia...as it only goes after softer targetsMar 14 17:03
_Goblinthe UK is a joke....and in anycase is what Russia doing any different from the US and UK in their pasts?Mar 14 17:03
MinceRdunno, maybe they and their allies could stop trading with russia, but then much of europe would need to find some other place to get gas fromMar 14 17:04
_GoblinThe Premier league in the UK is owned by the Russians...sort of.Mar 14 17:04
_GoblinRussia holds all the cards in my opinion and I think its rather hypocritical that the UK / US would try to tackle them over something which we have been "guilty" of ourselves.Mar 14 17:05
_GoblinThe UK is irrelevant in Europe and whilst is the lapdog of its bigger more powerful brother the US, the US won't dare stick their neck too far over the line....Mar 14 17:06
_GoblinI think Syria was a good indicator of the "bottle" the US and UK have when it comes to Russia....none at all.Mar 14 17:07
_Goblinand rightfully so....Russia is doing exactly what the US/UK would have/have done.Mar 14 17:07
_GoblinI'm also done with western "morals" of government, where lives of Palastinian children don't seem to be worth as much as those of Israel.....Both our governments are a disgrace.Mar 14 17:09
_Goblin* PalestinianMar 14 17:10
MinceRafaik the us and uk stopped doing this sort of thing long agoMar 14 17:21
MinceRafaik changing borders is kind of a no-no nowadays :>Mar 14 17:21
MinceR_Goblin: of course, if the US, UK and allies can't find a way to punish Russia, then it will really be... "Crimea River." :>Mar 14 17:34
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MinceRhttps://ribanc.com/files/1897837_754876501202804_2061845895_n.jpgMar 14 17:47
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_GoblinMinceR, But who claimed it a "no-no"? the very same people who have done just that...The argument they used to bring to the table was "stablity." Mar 14 17:52
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFCRepubliCritter uses cocaine.Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFCChecks himself into rehab for a few weeks.Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFCContinues collecting his Critter Paycheck.Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFCGoes back to being a Critter.Mar 14 17:53
DaemonFCNow, you try using cocaine and see what happens... Mar 14 17:53
_GoblinI'd rather not try cocaineMar 14 17:57
Sosumicatnip > everything elseMar 14 18:25
Sosumieven Obozo does itMar 14 18:36
Sosumihttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcb7hjTUd81r3rmc8o5_r1_1280.jpgMar 14 18:36
Sosumihttp://roman-n.livejournal.com/5840448.htmlMar 14 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-roman-n.livejournal.com | N - Correspondence of US Army Attache Assistant in Kiev [ http://ur1.ca/guqr0 ]Mar 14 18:40
Sosumihttp://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/21990429/russia-says-intercepted-us-drone-over-crimea-arms-group/Mar 14 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-au.news.yahoo.com | Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group - Yahoo!7 [ http://ur1.ca/guqrj ]Mar 14 18:42
MinceR_Goblin: just what and when?Mar 14 19:42
_GoblinIf we look at here and now, they do it by proxy...and rather than extend borders they claim "liberation".Mar 14 19:50
_Goblinproxy example would be Israel.Mar 14 19:50
_Goblinhowever by "liberation" the designated place becomes extension of "liberating" government.Mar 14 19:52
_Goblinand what of the Falklands?Mar 14 19:52
_GoblinThe power here is all about alliances, so in the case of Russia not only is there Russian might which frightens USA and UK, its the alliance with China.Mar 14 19:53
_GoblinGibraltar....we don't give that back, do we?Mar 14 19:53
_Goblinand then by proxy give land away and extend our borders by a proxy (Israel)Mar 14 19:54
_Goblinbut it doesnt matter because the plight of the Palestine  won't be reported by Western media because of the allies in Israel.Mar 14 19:55
_GoblinI should quantify that comment though by saying that its no fault of the Israel people.  This is government v government.Mar 14 19:56
_GoblinAs is sadly the case around the world...its our governments bickering and acting appallingly....not the people.Mar 14 19:56
MinceRicMar 14 19:59
MinceRbut those all happened a long time ago, didn't it?Mar 14 20:00
MinceRdepending on whether what israel is doing now is by their own intent or usa'sMar 14 20:00
_GoblinAnd the west has its "no-no's" for people doing the same thing....because the west is the bastion of world morals and everyone else is comply with their vision of what is right and wrong.Mar 14 20:01
_GoblinUntil it backfired, look at history of Russia (forgetting the actual cold war)Mar 14 20:01
Sosumiif the crimeans want to be part of the russiaMar 14 20:01
MinceRor because the Long Peace rests on them :>Mar 14 20:01
Sosumiwhat can the US do?Mar 14 20:01
_Goblinthe US were so scared they assisted a certain group in afghanistan to fight the Russians.Mar 14 20:02
SosumiindeedMar 14 20:02
_GoblinThey even made a film about it....Rambo 3Mar 14 20:02
Sosumia propaganda movie called rambo 34Mar 14 20:02
_Goblinit was all glory then, whilst the rebels fought on approval of the US...then it went a little sour when the "rebels" realized the exact price for being a proxy of the USMar 14 20:02
MinceRis that rule 34 of rambo?Mar 14 20:03
Sosumiwhich had on its credits a dedication to the brave mujahadee aka alqaedaMar 14 20:03
MinceR:>Mar 14 20:03
_Goblin:)Mar 14 20:03
Sosumino idea, I just tend to find those movies boring and dumbMar 14 20:03
MinceRat least those are proxy warsMar 14 20:03
_GoblinThey are very factual...Mar 14 20:03
MinceRthe one in ukraine is a direct oneMar 14 20:04
_Goblinnot in a realistic way of courseMar 14 20:04
_Goblinbut Rambo et al, portray what it is the US wants people to believe and what they fear the mostMar 14 20:04
Sosumithe only factual movie that I could remember was Wag the DogMar 14 20:04
_Goblinand the same in the UK.....Mar 14 20:04
_Goblinits not a conspiracy, because in the case of films, the film makers pander to the current affairs and whats reported in the media.....Mar 14 20:05
_Goblinno better time to sell an "Invasion" movie, when Russia is out of favour with you.Mar 14 20:05
Sosumipropaganda I tell youMar 14 20:06
MinceRalso good time to sell weapons :>Mar 14 20:06
SosumiindeedMar 14 20:06
_GoblinYes, but the movie industry isnt instructed to produce it, they are merely making money off the back of itMar 14 20:06
Sosumiand ammoMar 14 20:06
MinceRand UAVsMar 14 20:06
_Goblinthis all comes back to the US and China...Mar 14 20:07
SosumiI though that the CIA had finger in holywoodMar 14 20:07
Sosumi*thoughtMar 14 20:07
_Goblinthey have in the media for a long time...Mar 14 20:07
MinceRthey mightMar 14 20:07
_GoblinArea 51 for example.Mar 14 20:07
MinceRbut some things might be explained without them :>Mar 14 20:07
_Goblintheres no aliens there though.Mar 14 20:07
_GoblinArea 51 was a propaganda tool created for the Chinese to believe the US had aliens in hangers that they could unleash if China's world ambitions included the USMar 14 20:08
_Goblinthere never was an aliens, but the beauty of a government denial and a few sci fi movies was that the simple people believed more and more in a "conspiracy" and did the propaganda job for the government.Mar 14 20:09
_Goblinthe more the government denied, the more people thought they were covering up....it was actually a very clever "conspiracy"Mar 14 20:10
_GoblinNotice of late the "Captain America" type movies getting released...this is not something the government has instructed but it is the film companies capitalizing on peoples patriotism and desire to see the "western morals" served on a poor populas who know no better.....a feel good movie about world domination if you wish....Mar 14 20:12
_GoblinIts very similar to a Microsoft view of "Do it our way or not at all"Mar 14 20:15
MinceRthe same could be said about russian foreign policy as wellMar 14 20:17
_GoblinVery true....but can you blame them?Mar 14 20:21
_Goblina liberal superpower becomes the lapdog of others nations wyms.Mar 14 20:21
_Goblintheres no us and them....this is governments fighting governments....a few people in power.Mar 14 20:22
_Goblinfor example, if you met a Russian in a bar, you wouldn't have an overwhelming desire to sanction them by refusing to serve or speak to them, if they were a decent bloke you'd have a chat and a drink....Mar 14 20:23
_Goblinand its this ethos which you extend to all the nations in the world, you realize that its merely people in power having ego battles with each other.Mar 14 20:24
_Goblinthey don't get their hands dirty in war, its all dinners, numbers of troops and battles.... like a game of Risk or Command and Conquer...with the winner getting the biggest ego and remembered in historyMar 14 20:25
MinceRwell, you can't fault every single citizen for everything their government does anywayMar 14 20:25
_Goblincompletely agree.Mar 14 20:25
_Goblinas I say this is not about "people" its all about governments.Mar 14 20:26
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx8N30LGWZY56PMar 14 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: `Act of piracy' behind Malaysian flight disappearance, US official says [ http://ur1.ca/gurgf ]Mar 14 21:00
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 14 21:00
DaemonFCOh no. Who knew that unlicensed copying of copyrighted materials could bring down an entire Boeing Dreamliner.Mar 14 21:00
DaemonFCMea Maxima Culpa!Mar 14 21:00
DaemonFC;) Mar 14 21:00
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_GoblinHi Gordon...Mar 14 21:10
_Goblinnot watching the Celtic match?Mar 14 21:10
ThistleWebnoMar 14 21:10
ThistleWebbugcast is about to startMar 14 21:10
_Goblinah...Mar 14 21:11
SosumiGordon Freeman? is that you?Mar 14 21:11
ThistleWebthe wee free men?Mar 14 21:12
Sosumi:)Mar 14 21:12
ThistleWebsorry, I find it hard to ignore openings for Discworld referencesMar 14 21:12
Sosumithat was a half life referenceMar 14 21:13
ThistleWeboh, never played itMar 14 21:13
Sosumineither did IMar 14 21:14
Sosumibut the series have quite leached out a couple of popular memesMar 14 21:14
_GoblinSosumi....not Freeman, its Gordon Brown....ex-labour leader....Mar 14 21:16
SosumistrangeMar 14 21:16
SosumiI thought Gordon Brown was a pole dancerMar 14 21:16
_GoblinHe only does that on weekendsMar 14 21:17
SosumiI seeMar 14 21:17
_Goblinand sometimes a mondayMar 14 21:17
Sosumi:)Mar 14 21:17
_Goblinand on webcam for 40p a minuteMar 14 21:17
_GoblinHe's obviously with the bugcast now or he'd be making remarks now.Mar 14 21:18
Sosumibugcast?Mar 14 21:18
Sosumiis it a slang for comcast?Mar 14 21:18
_GoblinI assume he is referring to this podcast http://thebugcast.org/tag/linux-outlaws/Mar 14 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thebugcast.org | Linux Outlaws - The BugcastMar 14 21:19
SosumiI seeMar 14 21:19
_GoblinI assume....don't have much time for pod/audio casts these daysMar 14 21:19
_GoblinI occasionally tune into Roy's - I liked his RMS stuffMar 14 21:20
ThistleWebthebugcast.orgMar 14 21:20
ThistleWebit's live streaming nowMar 14 21:21
Sosumiusually, talkradio puts me to sleepMar 14 21:21
_GoblinI'm very much into my talk radio (Talksport and LBC)Mar 14 21:21
Sosumiunless it is something really interesting and newMar 14 21:21
ThistleWebit's 8 creative commons music tunes from a variety of styles, with a lil bit of chat between every twoMar 14 21:22
MinceR220041 < DaemonFC> Oh no. Who knew that unlicensed copying of copyrighted materials could bring down an entire Boeing Dreamliner.Mar 14 21:23
MinceRlolMar 14 21:23
MinceRhttp://www.gdargaud.net/Humor/QuotesComputer.htmlMar 14 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gdargaud.net | Computer Quotes [ http://ur1.ca/gurnv ]Mar 14 21:44
_GoblinDoes anyone know whatever happened to Brandon Lozza? - I know I've been away from this group for a while but I'd love to know.... a quick google brings up his stuff that I already know.... Did he ever find his underground neanderthals? Did he ever release his Linux distro?Mar 14 21:57
Sosumi"Blink your eyelids periodically to lubricate your eyes."    — Page 16 of the HP "Environmental, Health Safety Handbook for Employees". Mar 14 21:58
SosumilawlMar 14 21:58
_GoblinAnd maybe the most important question of all.... Did he ever get a job as a Brian Clough look a like?Mar 14 21:58
_GoblinSosumi - Ah.... That's where Ive been going wrong all these years.....I just used to throw water into my face every minute or so.Mar 14 21:59
Sosumiwater has contaminants (pipping) and residual products from treatmentMar 14 22:00
Sosumihardly the ideal thing to trow at the eyesMar 14 22:00
_GoblinI don't know...does wonders for the complexionMar 14 22:01
_Goblinand I use EvianMar 14 22:01
Sosumino idea of what that isMar 14 22:02
Sosumibut usually sodium chlorine is enoughMar 14 22:02
Sosumito wash the eyesMar 14 22:02
_GoblinIts bottled mineral water from some mountain or other.Mar 14 22:02
_GoblinMelted Ice from Europa....thats what I can use....Mar 14 22:03
Sosumiha okMar 14 22:03
_Goblincontains high levels of chlorine....but its filtered through the depths of deep space and matured at sub zero temperatures in orbit around JupiterMar 14 22:04
_GoblinQuote "Europa's surface temperature at the equator never rises above minus 260 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 160 degrees Celsius). At the poles of the moon, the temperature never rises above minus 370 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 220 degrees Celsius)."  - Now hows that for pure and free of contaminents?Mar 14 22:05
MinceRdoesn't say anything about itMar 14 22:06
MinceRonly temperatureMar 14 22:06
_GoblinYou see much industry on Europa?Mar 14 22:06
_GoblinI know we have had a few conspiracy "people" in the past here......but even their theories don't stretch to industry on Europa....I hope.Mar 14 22:07
_GoblinAnd Europa is an excellent example of how to be environmentally friendly......if you don't have an environment in the first place, are many degrees below zero and orbit a massive gas giant whilst being bombarded by insterstella radiation, then you can't stuff up the environment.Mar 14 22:09
_Goblinfill your boots....burn all the fossels you want (if you can without oxygen)Mar 14 22:09
_Goblinsuck the planet dry...nobody will notice.Mar 14 22:10
_GoblinTalking of conspiracy folk....if you google "David Icke" my G+ posting on him is the 5th result down......Mar 14 22:15
cubezzzALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA :)Mar 14 22:15
_GoblinAnd Uranus....you can have that one tooMar 14 22:16
_GoblinI made a minecraft monolith the other day out of black wool.....put it on a hill when the sun came up....looked rather good until my lad blew it up.Mar 14 22:17
_GoblinI've got a serious Minecraft problem....not helped by the fact its my lads favourite game.Mar 14 22:18
MinceRyou can have poisons without industryMar 14 22:20
_GoblinStop spoiling my Europa branded mineral water....full of natural goodness.....there's nothing artificial in it.Mar 14 22:20
MinceR231627 <@_Goblin> And Uranus....you can have that one tooMar 14 22:20
*MinceR snickersMar 14 22:20
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cubezzzI thought they renamed it to UrectumMar 14 22:20
_Goblinlol.....Mar 14 22:20
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MinceR:>Mar 14 22:20
_GoblinNow....where can we go with the name of the moon Titan....Mar 14 22:20
MinceR:>Mar 14 22:20
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_Goblinnice moon that.....Mar 14 22:20
_Goblinhome of Judge Dredd (I think - don't really watch that)Mar 14 22:20
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_Goblinbut more importantly....Mar 14 22:20
MinceRi only saw the old judge dreddMar 14 22:20
Sosumijust change it into an hieroglyphMar 14 22:20
_Goblinhome to the Grey Knights chapter........ Ordius Malaficous......or something like that...Mar 14 22:20
_GoblinBurn Heretic.......Mar 14 22:21
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_GoblinHas there ever been a sci-fi movie with Uranus in it?Mar 14 22:21
_Goblincan't think of one...Mar 14 22:21
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_gIxTitMMMar 14 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | (HD) Judge Dredd - YOU BETRAYED THE LAW!!!! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gurtu ]Mar 14 22:21
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_GoblinTitan..... As we discussed.... Mars, thats obvious.... The moon....again been done.... Jupiter yep thats been done..... Pluto...yep again been done....but what about Uranus?Mar 14 22:22
cubezzz"IT Came from Uranus"Mar 14 22:22
MinceRthey had it in animaniacs, iircMar 14 22:22
Sosumiin southern accentMar 14 22:23
_GoblinI'm not talking about some dodgy porn....I mean a scifi film or similar... ;)Mar 14 22:23
Sosumi"it came from yr'anus"Mar 14 22:23
MinceRno, it was freakazoidMar 14 22:23
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMOeV5MLOvcMar 14 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Freakazoid Uranus best joke ever!! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gurtz ]Mar 14 22:23
_GoblinJust imagine, when we reach out further into space....there will be some poor soul in the future who will be labelled .... The first man (or woman) on Uranus.Mar 14 22:24
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8eFFnJsCjsMar 14 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Animaniacs - Our Solar System singalong... - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gurub ]Mar 14 22:24
MinceRapparently animaniacs did it tooMar 14 22:24
_Goblinthats not something I'd want my name next to in the history books.Mar 14 22:24
_GoblinQuote: "Uranus is the seventh planet from the Sun. It has the third-largest planetary radius and fourth-largest planetary mass in the Solar System."Mar 14 22:25
_Goblinsounds like my first girlfriend.Mar 14 22:25
MinceR:>Mar 14 22:26
_GoblinOne good thing about uranus...its got a moon which you can visit......Mar 14 22:26
_GoblinTitania....Mar 14 22:26
MinceR:DMar 14 22:26
cubezzzthere was a movie about Uranus but they kept it out of the Title: "Journey to the Seventh Planet"Mar 14 22:27
_GoblinlolMar 14 22:27
MinceRi wonder whyMar 14 22:27
cubezzz:)Mar 14 22:27
_GoblinYou must admit though I have a point.....would you want to be the first man on Uranus and be known as such for life?Mar 14 22:27
_Goblinyou'd never live it down....Mar 14 22:27
cubezzzisn't it a gas planet though?Mar 14 22:27
cubezzzyou can't really land on itMar 14 22:27
MinceRi don't think i'd worry that much about a punMar 14 22:28
cubezzzUranus is very gassy :)Mar 14 22:28
cubezzzok, no more stupid jokesMar 14 22:28
_GoblinI think you are right...Mar 14 22:29
_Goblinsimilar in composition to neptuneMar 14 22:29
_GoblinapparentlyMar 14 22:29
_Goblinbut its got alot of Ice....so maybe you could stand on that if you adopted a surfing type pose.Mar 14 22:29
_GoblinThere we are so you couldn't land on it...merely pass through it...of sorts...Mar 14 22:30
_Goblinso you could be the first man to enter Uranus.........nope I'm still not liking that next to my name in the history books.Mar 14 22:31
_GoblinI'll go to Titania thanksMar 14 22:31
MinceRyou could be the first man to pass through uranus!Mar 14 22:31
_Goblintrue....enter one end and come out the other.Mar 14 22:31
_Goblinand maybe stop off at Titania.Mar 14 22:32
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_GoblinMoving on... I've been using the media player Guyadeque.....never used it before..... very good.....Mar 14 22:36
MinceRcan it shuffle its playlist?Mar 14 22:36
_Goblinyep...Mar 14 22:36
MinceRinteresting... not many music players can do that :)Mar 14 22:37
_Goblinyou mean shuffle as in randomize?Mar 14 22:37
MinceRi mean randomize the order of the songsMar 14 22:37
_GoblinyepMar 14 22:37
_Goblinit can do that...Mar 14 22:38
MinceRand then let the user change the order, choose where to start playing, etc.Mar 14 22:38
_Goblinlet me just check....Mar 14 22:38
MinceRsome of them will only be able to randomly walk through the playlistMar 14 22:38
MinceRamaroK lets you enable random order but then it doesn't let you change the orderMar 14 22:38
_Goblinwhat ive just done:Mar 14 22:38
MinceR(i _think_ it was amaroK)Mar 14 22:39
_GoblinRandomized a playlist prior to playing....Mar 14 22:39
_Goblinmoved around some of the tracks from the random order....Mar 14 22:39
_GoblinI can start anywhere in the playlist and it will go until the endMar 14 22:39
MinceRniceMar 14 22:39
_Goblin.....never needed that feature myself so I had to check...Mar 14 22:39
MinceRfinally an alternative to xmms/bmp/audacious :>Mar 14 22:39
MinceRi use it oftenMar 14 22:39
_Goblinonly really listen to podcasts and a few audiobooks that I can't be bothered to read....Mar 14 22:40
MinceRthrow in a lot of songs, randomize them, move the one i want to hear first to first place, start playingMar 14 22:40
_Goblinyep it does that...Mar 14 22:40
MinceRmaybe move some of them down to have them play againMar 14 22:40
_Goblinhttp://guayadeque.orgMar 14 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-guayadeque.org | Home - Guayadeque Music PlayerMar 14 22:40
MinceRchoose one to play last and set it to stop when it finishes that track, leave it for later :>Mar 14 22:40
MinceRand then sometimes i drop in an entire album right after the current songMar 14 22:41
DaemonFChttp://www.getrichslick.com/wow-look-at-10-years-of-fast-food-price-inflation/Mar 14 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.getrichslick.com | WOW! Look at 10 Years of Fast Food Price Inflation! » Get Rich Slick [ http://ur1.ca/gus6n ]Mar 14 23:38
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DaemonFCHe blames the Federal Reserve System for fast food prices averaging a 5-6% annual rate of inflation.Mar 14 23:38
DaemonFCIf that's true, then why is inflation far less than that at the grocery store?Mar 14 23:39
DaemonFCIt is true that people's wages are having a hard time beating overall inflation.Mar 14 23:39
DaemonFCMost people are working for less every year because inflation will be 2-3% and they might get a 1% raise.Mar 14 23:39
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DaemonFCmmmm, prune juiceMar 15 00:26
DaemonFCA warrior's drink!Mar 15 00:26
MinceRwhich warrior's?Mar 15 00:31
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MinceRgnMar 15 01:25
DaemonFCSomehow, I'd bet that the people that have a problem with gay marriage are drinking Natural Ice.Mar 15 01:50
DaemonFCHope you're heading back to a trailer, you redneck, enjoy the next NASCAR event.Mar 15 01:50
DaemonFC(OK, I got the second sentence from Jim Gaffigan. Sue me.) Mar 15 01:50
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFCWell, the right-wing whackadoodles go apeshit whenever a cable company picks up any news channel that doesn't have "Fox" in the name.Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFCI'd love to see them pick up more news channels if only for that reason.Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFCI don't subscribe to cable, though, because it's a waste of money. I ditched it years ago when I realized I was paying over $120 a month just for the cable TV and I was down to two shows that I could stream anyway.Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFC30 years ago, your cable bill was less than $40 a month, there were no "boxes" to rent, and you got the movie channels with that. Now you pay three times that, there's never anything good on, and the cost goes up every year at 5-6 times the general rate of inflation.Mar 15 02:23
DaemonFCIn Comcast's case, they're basically using the money to finance political graft and give $10 internet connections to everyone with a child on free or reduced price school lunches. Really? People with kids on reduced price lunches aren't necessarily even what you'd call poor. Your household can be up to 185% of the FPL for the reduced price lunch program. For a family of four, that is over $44,000 a year. The biggest reason to sign up for it is soMar 15 02:23
DaemonFCyou can get Comcast cable internet and make me pay for it. Mar 15 02:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     3 easy Linux alternatives for Windows XPMar 15 04:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 3 easy Linux alternatives for Windows XP refugees who don't want a new PC | Tux MachinesMar 15 04:39
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DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1779037_897833530246101_866770540_n.jpgMar 15 06:08
DaemonFCMinceR would appreciate that.Mar 15 06:08
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1922462_10151871491011324_1162849945_n.jpgMar 15 06:09
DaemonFCLOLMar 15 06:09
DaemonFChttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/03/14/2225220/mozilla-scraps-firefox-for-windows-8-citing-low-adoption-of-metroMar 15 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-beta.slashdot.org | Mozilla Scraps Firefox For Windows 8, Citing Low Adoption of Metro - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/gutzq ]Mar 15 06:35
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DaemonFC https://threatpost.com/weak-random-number-generator-threatens-ios-7-kernel-exploit-mitigations/104757Mar 15 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-threatpost.com | Weak Early Random PRNG Threatens iOS 7 Kernel Mitigations | Threatpost | The first stop for security news [ http://ur1.ca/guuqo ]Mar 15 09:06
Sosumihttp://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_15/IBM-denies-sharing-customers-data-with-US-government-6865/Mar 15 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com | IBM denies sharing customers data with US government - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/guut4 ]Mar 15 09:22
Sosumiit's confirmed when officially deniedMar 15 09:22
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=TxWTMH9WD0M774Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The European Union has passed a new law requiring a universal cell phone charger standard. [ http://ur1.ca/guuwx ]Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFChttp://techpp.com/2014/03/14/universal-phone-charger/Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techpp.com | Europe to Have One Charger for All Mobile Phones, Global Standard Next? [ http://ur1.ca/guuwz ]Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFCThe vote was 550-12. OEMs will be required to support the new standard by 2017.Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFCPerhaps next, they can force Apple to use standard file transport protocols with iThings, like Mass Storage Class so that freedom respecting software doesn't have to keep reverse engineering Apple's secret protocols.Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFCApple's iThings are a gigantic regression in most ways, but to not be able to manage your files with your operating system's file manager (unless you use GNU/Linux) is unacceptable.Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFCApple's Windows software is infamously bloated, horrendously insecure, and unwieldy to use. It installs unrelated shovelware and system services, and it has rendered Windows unable to boot on at least a couple of occasions.Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFCEven Apple's own customers generally hate it.Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFCHere's a good review of a recent version of iTunes for Windows.Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFChttp://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/11/itunes_11_it_s_time_for_apple_s_horrible_bloated_program_to_die.htmlMar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slate.com | iTunes 11: It’s time for Apple’s horrible, bloated program to die. [ http://ur1.ca/bozg7 ]Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC"Won't Someone Take iTunes Out Back and Shoot It?"Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFCAnd another.Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFChttp://www.thewire.com/technology/2012/06/bloated-itunes-doesnt-look-apple-product-anymore/54008/Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thewire.com | Bloated iTunes Doesn't Look like an Apple Product Anymore - The Wire [ http://ur1.ca/guux0 ]Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC"Bloated iTunes Doesn't Look like an Apple Product Anymore"Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFCAnd another..Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFChttp://www.techhive.com/article/227349/10_apple_itunes_annoyances.htmlMar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techhive.com | 10 Major Apple iTunes Annoyances | TechHive [ http://ur1.ca/guux1 ]Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC10 Major Apple iTunes AnnoyancesMar 15 09:35
DaemonFCAnd another one, from a magazine for Apple users..Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFChttp://www.macworld.com/article/1166274/itunes_time_to_right_the_syncing_ship.htmlMar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macworld.com | iTunes: Time to right the syncing ship | Macworld [ http://ur1.ca/8zn7w ]Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFCiTunes: Time to right the syncing shipMar 15 09:35
DaemonFCAnd an older one, from another Apple fansite.Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFChttp://www.cultofmac.com/32298/how-itunes-became-apples-ie6-and-what-it-can-do-about-it/Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFC"How iTunes Is Becoming Apple's Own Internet Explorer 6 (A Crappy, Bloated Mess)" Mar 15 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cultofmac.com | How iTunes Is Becoming Apple’s Own Internet Explorer 6 (A Crappy, Bloated Mess) | Cult of Mac [ http://ur1.ca/guux3 ]Mar 15 09:35
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx7V6ZW0NKJWBQMar 15 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: A new report shows that Apple severely weakened system security in iOS 7. [ http://ur1.ca/guux7 ]Mar 15 09:36
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 15 09:36
DaemonFChttps://threatpost.com/weak-random-number-generator-threatens-ios-7-kernel-exploit-mitigations/104757Mar 15 09:36
DaemonFCA security researcher at CanSecWest said that an attacker could easily brute force the early random PRNG used by Apple in order to bypass many of the kernel exploit protections in iOS.Mar 15 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-threatpost.com | Weak Early Random PRNG Threatens iOS 7 Kernel Mitigations | Threatpost | The first stop for security news [ http://ur1.ca/guuqo ]Mar 15 09:36
DaemonFC"The Early Random PRNG in iOS 7 is surprisingly weak," said Tarjei Mandt senior security researcher at Azimuth Security. "The one in iOS 6 is better because this one is deterministic and trivial to brute force. All the mitigations deployed by the iOS kernel essentially depend on the robustness of the Early Random PRNG," Mandt said. "It must provide sufficient entropy and non-predictable output."Mar 15 09:36
DaemonFCCould this be part of their collaboration with the NSA? Mar 15 09:36
Sosumiwhat makes you think that is the NSA?Mar 15 10:26
Sosumiwhy not the CIAMar 15 10:26
Sosumior DEA?Mar 15 10:26
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Sosumialso, if you cared about security, you would probably be using a nexus series phone with open source androidMar 15 10:29
Sosumiprobably, modified to meet your requirementsMar 15 10:29
Sosumior to a lesser extent, a blackberry phoneMar 15 10:30
Sosumiiphones are for ppl that like justin beaver and hannah montanaMar 15 10:53
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/mozilla-gives-up-on-metro-mode-firefox/Mar 15 12:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Mozilla gives up on Metro mode Firefox | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/guvu7 ]Mar 15 12:38
Sosumiwell captain obvious for mozilla to see that there's no user interest in metroMar 15 12:39
Sosumimetro is trash, even less functional than crapple's dashboardMar 15 12:40
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MinceRthere's also no sense in running Gecko on top of IEMar 15 13:23
Sosumiso, third party browsers running on the metro framework need to run on top of IE»Mar 15 13:29
Sosumi?Mar 15 13:29
MinceRiirc the entire metro ui runs on top of ieMar 15 13:32
SosumiLOLOLOLMar 15 13:32
SosumifailMar 15 13:32
MinceRindeedMar 15 13:33
MinceRbut business as usual for msftMar 15 13:33
Sosumiyou mean crashing? and dumb implementationMar 15 13:33
Sosumithat is the business model of m$Mar 15 13:33
Sosumimaking sure you always return to them for helpMar 15 13:33
MinceRalso, braindead "design"Mar 15 13:36
MinceRforcing their crap in everywhereMar 15 13:36
SosumiyepMar 15 13:36
MinceR("nobody wants to use IE? fine, we'll build it into the OS!" ... "still nobody wants to use IE? fine, we'll build it into the UI and ban the desktop!")Mar 15 13:37
Sosumi:)Mar 15 13:37
MinceRhttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/03/russia-blocks-access-major-independent-news-sitesMar 15 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/gukbz ]Mar 15 13:57
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Sosumihttp://asmarterplanet.com/blog/2014/03/open-letter-data.htmlMar 15 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-asmarterplanet.com | A Letter to Our Clients About Government Access to Data A Smarter Planet Blog [ http://ur1.ca/guwn1 ]Mar 15 15:41
SosumiIBM's apology letterMar 15 15:42
Sosumialso USS Truxton to carry on with exercises at black seaMar 15 15:44
Sosumihere's a picture of itMar 15 15:45
Sosumihttp://mlb-s2-p.mlstatic.com/fita-truxton-tectoy-sega-mega-drive-tec-toy-original-11279-MLB20041031015_012014-O.jpgMar 15 15:45
Sosumicrimea referendum results to be disclosed at 17thMar 15 15:45
Sosumiand so far lazy saturdayMar 15 15:45
cubezzzUSS Truxtun :)Mar 15 16:36
cubezzznot spelled the same as the Sega Genesis gameMar 15 16:36
cubezzzUSS Truxton 6.0 :)Mar 15 16:40
Sosumi:)Mar 15 17:01
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-15/heres-what-richest-man-world-thinks-about-snowden-and-nsa-surveillanceMar 15 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Here's What The Richest Man In The World Thinks About Snowden And NSA Surveillance | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/gux22 ]Mar 15 17:03
Sosumihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK6SS8CXYZoMar 15 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Bill Gates Pie in Face - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gux25 ]Mar 15 17:04
cubezzzGates is just a huge parasiteMar 15 17:04
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txtMar 15 17:05
cubezzzmy personal favourite:Mar 15 17:05
Sosumiwell yesMar 15 17:05
cubezzz"Stealing PDP-10 computer time from Computer Center Corp to write BASIC"Mar 15 17:06
cubezzzthat's how it all startedMar 15 17:06
Sosumiwho else would dump m$ unix to develop its own standard, NT, to ensure that none of the programs would be compatible with other unix systemsMar 15 17:07
Sosumiwas it xenix?Mar 15 17:07
cubezzzXenix was derived from Unix v7, and yes it's a giant step backwardsMar 15 17:07
cubezzzinstead of getting the source code for all device drivers, compilers, user programs you got binaries onlyMar 15 17:08
cubezzzMicrosoft didn't exactly dump Unix, but they corrupted it and closed it offMar 15 17:09
Sosumiho I wasn't looking at the the irc windowsMar 15 17:09
SosumiI meant it as "who else but m$" in the sense of developing their own standardMar 15 17:10
Sosumiand confine everything to their platformMar 15 17:10
cubezzzBlame Cutler for that, he was a Unix haterMar 15 17:12
Sosumibut it was M$ who hired him from decMar 15 17:13
Sosumiand NT is hardly, really, hardly a VMS replacementMar 15 17:13
Sosumiand talking of vmsMar 15 17:14
Sosumihp would do great if they ported openvms to x86Mar 15 17:14
Sosumiinstead of having it confined to the now dead itaniumMar 15 17:14
cubezzzas much as I liked DEC I can't get too excited about OpenVMSMar 15 17:18
cubezzzit's in the same category as Ultrix, VM/SP, and other closed source OSesMar 15 17:19
cubezzzand OpenVMS had bugs, just like everything elseMar 15 17:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenBSD replacing Apache web server with nginxMar 15 17:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     South Tyrol to increase use of free softwareMar 15 17:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenBSD replacing Apache web server with nginx | Tux MachinesMar 15 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | South Tyrol to increase use of free software | Tux MachinesMar 15 17:27
cubezzzif I want to play around with something different, I'll run Haiku or Plan 9Mar 15 17:29
cubezzzalso Unix was better than OpenVMS in several waysMar 15 17:31
cubezzzmore open, a lot cheaper and more responsiveMar 15 17:32
MinceRgeekingsMar 15 17:34
MinceRvms is baroqueMar 15 17:34
MinceRnt, even more soMar 15 17:34
cubezzzthe old IBM OSes are worth a look Mar 15 17:35
cubezzzpre-VM/SP, they were basically open sourceMar 15 17:36
cubezzzstuff like OS/360-MVT, or VM/370Mar 15 17:37
cubezzzon the DEC side I think the source for RT-11 is kicking aroundMar 15 17:38
cubezzzin a way, things could have turned out better than they didMar 15 17:44
cubezzzhigh schools should have got unix source code, but in the old days PDPs were just too expensiveMar 15 17:45
SosumiI seeMar 15 18:19
Sosumibut I meant it into a way of pressuring ibm and red hatMar 15 18:20
Sosumiwith another OS readily availableMar 15 18:20
Sosumiinstead of one that at the moment seems deadMar 15 18:21
Sosumialso, does't the german stock exchange use openvms?Mar 15 18:21
Sosumino idea about the germanMar 15 18:22
Sosumibut the koreans are using itMar 15 18:22
Sosumiand so do the australiansMar 15 18:22
cubezzzIBM has z/OS and Linux for their mainframesMar 15 18:24
Sosumiand AIXMar 15 18:25
cubezzznot everyone is going to want the source code for a given OS, some don't careMar 15 18:25
cubezzzpersonally, I want source code :)Mar 15 18:25
cubezzzwith enough $$$ you can probably get the OpenVMS sourceMar 15 18:26
SosumiI have no use for vmsMar 15 18:26
Sosumibut keeping it as a competitorMar 15 18:26
Sosumiwould probably be better in the long runMar 15 18:27
cubezzzoutside of my own personal philosophy, as long as different operating systems can interoperate using open standards, it's not overly-critical which operating system they useMar 15 18:34
SosumiyesMar 15 18:36
Sosumithat is trueMar 15 18:36
cubezzzI think that most OSes have accumulated a lot of cruft over time, and there's nothing really universal or elegant that's modernMar 15 18:36
cubezzzif someone really wanted to, they can go back to the original engineering diagrams of a PDP-11/45 (a common Unix box) and learn everything about itMar 15 18:51
cubezzzthere's no way for Microsoft or anyone else putting the Genie back in the bottleMar 15 18:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today is Hardware Freedom Day!Mar 15 21:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu,Mar 15 21:29
TweetTuxMachines                 compared and contrasted http://t.co/OLPaLMt7ZKMar 15 21:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydX and Tanglu, compared and contrasted | Tux MachinesMar 15 21:29
_GoblinWhat a good day I've had.......Mar 15 21:47
_GoblinI see it quiet in here again....what's happened?Mar 15 21:47
_Goblinused to be a hive of activity.....we've still got the numbers in users so wheres the convo?Mar 15 21:47
Sosumistudying...Mar 15 21:49
Sosumithat is for what weekends are forMar 15 21:50
cubezzzMinceR, if you're still around...Mar 15 21:52
cubezzzmodern mwm does use ICCCMar 15 21:52
MinceRbut not EWMHMar 15 21:59
MinceRso you can't have another wm replace itMar 15 22:00
MinceRand you can't use wmctrl with itMar 15 22:00
SosumignMar 15 22:02
cubezzzinterestingMar 15 22:38
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DaemonFC2 seconds agoMar 09 01:29
DaemonFCSomeone noticed me posting on their forum and changed my member status to "Apple Basher". I told them, "thank you".Mar 09 01:29
DaemonFCSomeone was talking to me about when I worked at Walmart.Mar 09 01:31
DaemonFCThey reminded me of this annoying co-manager we had. They said "Didn't you just want to walk up and kick her in the cunt?".Mar 09 01:32
DaemonFCI said, "Well, she did brag about buying her son a new Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. About a week later, she came in, in a bad mood, and said her son was trying to drag race someone, peeled out from a stop sign, and ran the car into a tree. The insurance company ended up totaling the car. Isn't is just wonderful how some days turn out?"Mar 09 01:33
DaemonFCabout a minute ago · EditedMar 09 01:53
DaemonFCOf course, whether there's spyware for iThings or not depends on that which we call spyware.Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFCMost apps in Apple and Google's store are designed to mine your personal data and spy on you. The NSA even worked with Apple to install backdoors into iPhones and other Apple products at the hardware level.Mar 09 01:53
DaemonFCBoth stores contain apps from car insurance companies that monitor your phone's GPS. Facebook's app is designed to copy your phone's SMS messages and send them to Facebook, which uses the data for advertising and god only knows what else.Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFCIn general, I never install an app on my phone on my Android phone if there's a way to do the same thing on a web page through my Mozilla Firefox web browser.Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFCYou'd be surprised at how many apps are just a portal to a website that gives some untrustworthy company additional powers over your phone, which they will use to steal your personal data.Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFCThe iPhone also has an additional malicious feature which lets every store you enter track your movements and send you alerts that you might not want.Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFCThere are a few grocery stores that wait until you get close to the Gillette shaving razors and send you a coupon for them. So, maybe you don't care if they know you like Gillette shaving razors, but they effectively know everything else too. How long you spend in the frozen food aisle next to the pizzas. If you're buying condoms and lube from the "personal aisle", etc. Maybe they'll sell all that to a health insurance company.Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFCDo you really want them to know this stuff?Mar 09 01:54
DaemonFCThe only way to turn off this malicious iPhone feature is to disable bluetooth completely. Even then, it's proprietary, so who knows whether turning that feature off actually turned off their ability to track you, or just shuts off their ability to send you coupons and alerts?Mar 09 01:54
msb_Wire a switch in series with the battery, AND keep it in a metal (solid, mesh or foil) case.Mar 09 02:16
msb_The whole phone, not just the switch.Mar 09 02:17
msb_Or, run a network trace on the spies, and when it finds them, feed the coordinates to a drone with an HE warhead.Mar 09 02:18
msb_Should work for the criminal carpet cleaners, too.Mar 09 02:19
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3735583Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__"When the left Ctrl and the C have worn off, it is a sign heavy linux command line. Like the keyboard I just replaced because it broke after a decade of use. I wonder how long it will take for the new keyboard to look that way."Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3729683Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__"they are fascist only in Putin's propaganda. Comon, there are different people, some are more nationalistic, some less. changing the language law, was not a wise step, of course, but you know, I can understand that people. After all, nothing puts Russian in danger, but the same cannot be said about Ukrainian. But calling the new government nazis, is just what's on official Russian channels, and it's a lie."Mar 09 05:17
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3730019Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__"Appreciate the publicity, even if we did decide to leave photo editing to The Gimp about... 5 years ago? We're a professional digital sketching and painting tool, now."Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3668930Mar 09 05:18
schestowitz__"One small step towards world domination..."Mar 09 05:19
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3735556Mar 09 05:19
schestowitz__"Or alternatively, "$ ./run-sketchy-script.sh", then notice it is deleting all our files, repeatedly press Ctrl+C and then spend the next few hours rebuilding the system."Mar 09 05:19
msb_I just blew the dust out of my computer while watching the temp sensors, and the two cores got about 5-8degC cooler!Mar 09 05:25
msb_Thanks to cpu heat sink with wide fin spacing.  Not the one that came with the cpu.  Much bigger fan.  Cost about $25 and well worth it!Mar 09 05:25
msb_Gotta record the anime's on the Cartoon Network tonight.  Mencoder uses most of the cpu making xvid.Mar 09 05:25
msb_I love Linux!Mar 09 05:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve Asks Users to Disable SELinux to PlayMar 09 05:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Portal 2, Linux Community ReactsMar 09 05:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/gH8LonAO3cMar 09 05:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gsve3Mar 09 05:33
msb_"But calling the new government nazis, is just what's on official Russian channels, and it's a lie." -- Bullshit!  It's also on lots of alternative investigative news sites.  Mar 09 05:38
msb_...which I gave urls for a few days ago, and you reposted them, schestowitz__!Mar 09 05:39
msb_"Turner Radio Network" is a scam site started by Hal Turner, a Nazi provocteur found to be working for the US govt.  NOT Ted Turner.Mar 09 05:42
msb_provocateurMar 09 05:43
msb_Worse than "Sorcha Faal".Mar 09 05:52
msb_schestowitz__: Thanks for command line jpg!Mar 09 06:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Spec Sheet: Toshiba and Samsung try to makeMar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Chromebooks mainstream http://t.co/IWUV83XouOMar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gsvylMar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     RIT launches nation’s first minor in free andMar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines                 open source software and free cultureMar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/d7YD4xtvCgMar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gsvynMar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android's co-founder is spending Google'sMar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines                 billions hunting for the next big thingMar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/lnRsmFBYplMar 09 06:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gsvyoMar 09 06:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FreedomPop's 'Snowden phone' encrypts yourMar 09 06:57
TweetTuxMachines                 calls and data http://t.co/Zh8jLYyswFMar 09 06:57
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gswklMar 09 06:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sub-$400 CyanogenMod-powered smartphone detailsMar 09 06:57
TweetTuxMachines                 emerge http://t.co/Fk2HGjf7k5Mar 09 06:57
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gswkpMar 09 06:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linpus Lite 2.1 review http://t.co/I9FgC1qVFXMar 09 07:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gsx4nMar 09 07:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What to expect in Ubuntu 14.04 LTSMar 09 07:39
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/w53mpEnV8DMar 09 07:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gsx4oMar 09 07:39
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Sosumihttp://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/09/353918/blackwater-members-in-ukraine/Mar 09 10:44
Sosumi‘Blackwater’ members in Ukraine’s DonetskMar 09 10:44
MinceRgeekingsMar 09 11:05
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