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DaemonFC http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/02/ukrainians-are-having-delightful-day-abandoned-presidential-palace/358393/Feb 23 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thewire.com | Ukrainians Are Having a Delightful Day at the Abandoned Presidential Palace - The Wire [ http://ur1.ca/goi9g ]Feb 23 01:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Advocacy - My Take http://t.co/PcwXNEuvflFeb 23 01:57
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/goievFeb 23 01:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Advocacy - My Take | Tux MachinesFeb 23 01:57
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Sosumihttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhGqKgZCEAAcFie.jpg:largeFeb 23 10:17
Sosumihttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2014/022014-microsoft-lync-nsa-278925.html?hpg1=bnFeb 23 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Microsoft Lync gathers data just like NSA vacuums up info in its domestic surveillance program - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/gokj0 ]Feb 23 10:18
-14WAB7WGZ/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Microsoft Lync gathers data just like NSA vacuums up info in its domestic surveillance program - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/gokj0 ]Feb 23 10:18
Sosumiis it just Lync? or all the outbound and inbound traffic is loggedFeb 23 10:19
Sosumiso if you were watching facebook at your workplaceFeb 23 10:19
Sosumidon'tFeb 23 10:19
Sosumiand Yanukovych just got sackedFeb 23 10:21
SosumiTymoshenko, the EU lapdog, has been freed and a while a go was incentivating further protestsFeb 23 10:22
Sosumiright wing extremists were securing the parliamentFeb 23 10:23
Sosumiwill they also set fire to it?Feb 23 10:23
schestowitzahFeb 23 10:32
schestowitzah, I think you forget the story of GermanyFeb 23 10:32
schestowitznot many analogies hereFeb 23 10:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: first issue of LInux Voice ready for download, but my name won't be in itFeb 23 10:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: since didn't get sent off in timeFeb 23 10:32
schestowitzcan do next timeFeb 23 10:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: they wil put something in the second issue it seems thoughFeb 23 10:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: apparnatly it's got some good Mageia 4 reiew to, but I haen't looked yetFeb 23 10:33
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3678306Feb 23 10:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | "Valve's digital ...Feb 23 10:34
-14WAB7WGZ/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | "Valve's digital ...Feb 23 10:34
schestowitz"Just like old Shareware/Freeware days, anybody remember Kroz, Commander Keen, independent publishers and developers rule"Feb 23 10:34
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sebsebsebhi neildarlowFeb 23 10:42
neildarlowsebsebseb: Hi there!Feb 23 10:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Reason Some Games Are Delayed For Linux InFeb 23 10:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Humble Indie Bundles http://t.co/sUYiFAjDFDFeb 23 10:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 3.13.4 Brings ARM64 (AArch64)Feb 23 10:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Improvements http://t.co/V1Aysyl4OwFeb 23 10:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Reason Some Games Are Delayed For Linux In Humble Indie Bundles | Tux MachinesFeb 23 10:45
-14WAB7WGZ/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Reason Some Games Are Delayed For Linux In Humble Indie Bundles | Tux MachinesFeb 23 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.13.4 Brings ARM64 (AArch64) Improvements | Tux MachinesFeb 23 10:45
-14WAB7WGZ/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.13.4 Brings ARM64 (AArch64) Improvements | Tux MachinesFeb 23 10:45
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012Feb 23 11:49
msb__Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure, Crystal Caves, Secret Agent, Bio Menace.  The good ones had small enough characters and a big enough scene that you could see what enemies were coming, rather than just get surprised by it and have to shoot fast.  But you have to use some reasoning and skill to overcome the enemies.Feb 23 11:50
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msb__They were quite intelligently designed.Feb 23 11:51
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msb__They're all listed here:  http://www.g4tv.com/games/publishers/apogee/456/Feb 23 11:55
msb__Yo, bot!Feb 23 11:55
msb__!botFeb 23 11:56
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schestowitz__bad month for freenodeFeb 23 11:59
schestowitz__ never been this unreliableFeb 23 11:59
schestowitz__Has that disgusting agent gone away yet?Feb 23 11:59
schestowitz__http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5Feb 23 11:59
schestowitz__(The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.))Feb 23 12:00
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/GreenGeekOrg/status/437556941725118464Feb 23 12:00
schestowitz__"@schestowitz great! we've worked converting some small businesses. 100+ is a good number. We'd default to MINT or Xubuntu LTS. 14.04?"Feb 23 12:00
schestowitz__Whatever suits existing hardwareFeb 23 12:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Mozilla Developers Will Unveil Some FirefoxFeb 23 12:09
TweetTuxMachines                 OS Based Devices At MWC 2014Feb 23 12:09
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/SiK2NmiYHrFeb 23 12:09
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SosumiI also remember a lot of stuffFeb 23 13:41
Sosumibut never stupider times like theseFeb 23 13:41
Sosumiback in 2004, when I actually got the computer bugFeb 23 13:42
Sosumithings were a lot calmerFeb 23 13:42
Sosumiand I mean it in a general perspectiveFeb 23 13:43
Sosuminot just constant attempts on free softwareFeb 23 13:43
Sosumi*theFeb 23 13:43
Sosumiand we were still 4 years away from the late 2008 depressionFeb 23 13:44
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/VANDR14/status/437496427627819008/photo/1Feb 23 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VANDR14: Вот например, сносят памятник ВОВ во Львове. http://t.co/TlLXc7vsjRFeb 23 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VANDR14: Вот например, сносят памятник ВОВ во Львове. http://t.co/TlLXc7vsjRFeb 23 14:52
Sosumiafter toppling Lenin's monumentFeb 23 14:52
Sosuminow monuments to red army heroes that died fighting nazi germany also being toppledFeb 23 14:53
Sosumialso, Timoshenko to meet with Merkel soonFeb 23 14:55
SosumiMerkel = the cadaverous golem of europeFeb 23 14:55
Sosumialso, Camoron, "it is not russia's duty to militarily intervene in ukraine"Feb 23 14:57
Sosumiso polish intervention under covert nato guise?Feb 23 14:57
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MinceRi'm all for toppling commie monumentsFeb 23 15:37
MinceRbut of course they're too communazi to do that in hungaristanFeb 23 15:37
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SosumiI remember Sarkozi in franceFeb 23 17:02
Sosumitrying to erase from history books everything related to the napolionic incursionsFeb 23 17:03
Sosumiall in order to try to bury some shady european historyFeb 23 17:04
Sosumiin order to promote further european integrationFeb 23 17:04
Sosumiand we all knowFeb 23 17:05
Sosumithose who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat the same mistakesFeb 23 17:05
Sosumiand the same can be said about any kind of monumentsFeb 23 17:05
Sosumilet them stay there as marker of a long past time that should never be forgottenFeb 23 17:06
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MinceRthe reminders are not so good if they proclaim that occupants were "liberators"Feb 23 17:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung's Tizen on Gear plan makes senseFeb 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/T7pyLPwlcmFeb 23 17:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Web Usage Almost Doubled, Now At ~2%?Feb 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/kFX5XC0W1cFeb 23 17:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google's Tim Bray steps down in the name ofFeb 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines                 working remotely http://t.co/eBCW04wpttFeb 23 17:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The NVIDIA GTX 750 Ti Maxwell Continues RunningFeb 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Great On Linux http://t.co/lN3vvjVOMcFeb 23 17:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung's Tizen on Gear plan makes sense | Tux MachinesFeb 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Amazon's Android set-top box reportedly set forFeb 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines                 March release http://t.co/m2HqexwjYoFeb 23 17:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Web Usage Almost Doubled, Now At ~2%? | Tux MachinesFeb 23 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google's Tim Bray steps down in the name of working remotely | Tux MachinesFeb 23 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The NVIDIA GTX 750 Ti Maxwell Continues Running Great On Linux | Tux MachinesFeb 23 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Amazon's Android set-top box reportedly set for March release | Tux MachinesFeb 23 17:54
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MinceRgeekingsFeb 23 17:58
schestowitz__GeekingsFeb 23 19:01
schestowitz__Is freenode finally stable again?Feb 23 19:01
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DaemonFCI posted a rant about Apple devices.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCI thought Microsoft Windows was bad until I saw ports of Apple software running on it. Where to begin?Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCIt's fat, it's slow, it's full of bugs. It installs system level services and unrelated software that the user did not request. Just having it installed has broken Windows and left it unable to boot on several occasions....Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCYou're making a really big goddamned mistake if you buy an iPod or an iPhone and use Windows or GNU/Linux. Using it on Windows is a real pain because you need Apple's gargantuan buggy pile of ****ware.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCOn GNU/Linux, it's not *as* bad. We have a thin library that has a reverse engineered implementation of Apple's file transport protocol. It doesn't require any particular software. Amarok, Rhythmbox, and Banshee are all known to work well with libimobiledevice.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCThe problem is that every time we RE Apple's transport protocol, Apple changes it and we have to do it all over again, so you really have to check the libimobiledevice list of supported devices.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCEven if it *does* work, you're still using an expensive iThing that does not work as well as competing products. I was astounded that anyone would pay $300 for an MP3 player.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCApple's MP3 players were not the first. And they weren't even the best when they hit the market. They just cost more than everyone else's. That's a theme with Apple devices. They're a status symbol. They occasionally make something for their poorer cultists, like the Mac Mini or the iPod Shuffle.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCI looked and saw that their latest Mac Mini does not support DVI, so I'd have to buy a DVI to HDMI cable to continue using my monitor with it. And then, it does not support "High Definition Content Protection" digital handcuffs, so Mac OS would refuse to play Blu Rays at 1920 x 1080, like I can do over DVI-D with GNU/Linux because I worked around that problem. Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCThere's a simple two step process for using the LG G2 or Google Nexus 5 with Windows or GNU/Linux.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCPlug it into the USB port and open your file manager or media player.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCOh my god! It's like it's from the ****ing future! Shut up and take my money! Feb 23 19:20
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 19:47
DaemonFCI posted the following comment on Mike Pence's Facebook wall, in response to a comment in favor of marijuana legalization.Feb 23 19:47
DaemonFC"Colorado says that their tax receipts for recreational marijuana were expected to be $93 million a year, and they're on track to exceed that by a significant margin. If Governor Pence and the General Assembly used Colarado law as a model, then between 2014-2020, $700 million+ (or 25%) of the I-69 expansion would be paid for and then the state could use the tax receipts to cover its 10% share of the Medicaid expansion after 2020 with money left Feb 23 19:47
DaemonFCover for other priorities, perhaps including an income tax reduction. It's stupid that cancer sticks and alcohol are legal and have never done a positive thing for anyone, yet nobody is seriously arguing for us to ban adults from choosing to use them, yet Indiana Republicans including Pence have made it possible to get a longer prison sentence for having one ounce of pot than for ****ing murdering someone. Replace Governor and strike any key!" Feb 23 19:47
msb__Cannabis can wake people up so they no longer believe and aren't controlled by the lies from the government and corporate media.  That's why there were so many protests that they forced the Vietnam War to end.  This was well-known at the time, published in the "underground newspapers" -- Berkeley Barb, etc.  I was alive and active at that time.  The government and corporate fascist thugs were shocked that the people forced one of their Feb 23 19:59
msb__wars to end.  That's why they made the punishments for cannabis greater than for murder.Feb 23 20:00
msb__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T4pBysFk84Feb 23 20:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Jefferson Airplane - Mexico - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/goo7n ]Feb 23 20:06
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 20:08
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06XTYfChShMFeb 23 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Rochard - automatische kaput - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/goo7x ]Feb 23 20:08
DaemonFCThe computer was from Apple. ;) Feb 23 20:08
msb__That entire song -- Mexico -- is about cannabis.  "There were a half a million people on the lawn, and we song to their faces in the dawn." -- WoodstockFeb 23 20:10
msb__song --> sangFeb 23 20:10
msb__That entire song -- Mexico -- is about cannabis.  "There were a half a million people on the lawn, and we sang to their faces in the dawn." -- WoodstockFeb 23 20:16
msb__It was a revolution, a Renaissance.  Jefferson Airplane were among the main leaders of it.  We need that same spirit today!Feb 23 20:18
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 20:20
DaemonFCIn fact, it looks like they removed all download links and most references to any version of Safari for Windows. Feb 23 20:20
msb__Bush and Obama are today's Nixons.  The War of Terror -- the US invading and murdering millions of people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria -- is today's Vietnam War.Feb 23 20:21
DaemonFC Laz says:Feb 23 20:21
DaemonFCApple.com. I'm looking at it right now, in the support area, but never mind, you'll have to set up an account to access the support area. With all you paranoia, something you'll never do, and can't do from any Linux install. You need the account to set up Quicktime and the auto-updates, Safari won't work without it. No Quicktime for Linux. Feb 23 20:21
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 20:21
DaemonFCI'll send you $20 over Paypal if you can prove to me that there is a Safari 7.1 for Windows and give me a link to the executable. Feb 23 20:21
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mplayer#Media_formats  Mplayer, which runs on all three platforms, plays MOV (QuickTime) format.Feb 23 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MPlayer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gooc9 ]Feb 23 20:27
msb__DaemonFC: Is there anything we need Safari for?Feb 23 20:31
msb__DaemonFC: Is there anything we need Quicktime for?Feb 23 20:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     When it comes to cloud and scale out, UbuntuFeb 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines                 has the winning model http://t.co/AbbUlvS42WFeb 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/goodcFeb 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FLOSS Office Suites http://t.co/c0TX03CmlsFeb 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gooddFeb 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung drops Android for Tizen in new Gear 2Feb 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines                 smartwatches http://t.co/M125AB8NMXFeb 23 20:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android 4.5 to arrive on Nexus 8 in JulyFeb 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/T2RKEtj3LaFeb 23 20:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ars walkthrough: Using the ZFS next-genFeb 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines                 filesystem on Linux http://t.co/mRG1Qz1ra7Feb 23 20:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | When it comes to cloud and scale out, Ubuntu has the winning model | Tux MachinesFeb 23 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FLOSS Office Suites | Tux MachinesFeb 23 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung drops Android for Tizen in new Gear 2 smartwatches | Tux MachinesFeb 23 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android 4.5 to arrive on Nexus 8 in July | Tux MachinesFeb 23 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ars walkthrough: Using the ZFS next-gen filesystem on Linux | Tux MachinesFeb 23 20:36
msb__DaemonFC: I just played three .mov videos with mplayer -- picture and sound fine.Feb 23 20:39
SosumiMD Players sound quality > allFeb 23 21:03
Sosumiat the timeFeb 23 21:03
Sosumibut comparing the ipods with the creative jukeboxes and so onFeb 23 21:04
Sosumithe ipods were betterFeb 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/CM6G1ge85AFeb 23 21:14
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/goojzFeb 23 21:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/wvuu8rMilcFeb 23 21:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Several Great Linux Terminal GamesFeb 23 21:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     QBEH-1: The Atlas Cube Atmospheric First PersonFeb 23 21:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 3.13 Finally Arrives on ArchFeb 23 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesFeb 23 21:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux, with a Warning http://t.co/oF4I6I4bo0Feb 23 21:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesFeb 23 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Several Great Linux Terminal Games | Tux MachinesFeb 23 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | QBEH-1: The Atlas Cube Atmospheric First Person Puzzle Game Releasing In April For Linux | Tux MachinesFeb 23 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.13 Finally Arrives on Arch Linux, with a Warning | Tux MachinesFeb 23 21:15
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 21:23
DaemonFCIn fact, the county was hurting for money so bad that they canceled their agreement to subsidize Walmart, and started sending Walmart a tax bill. They taxed Walmart for $460,000 last year. I got a kick out of that.Feb 23 21:23
DaemonFCWalmart went from paying nothing to being the top taxpayer in the county within one year. Feb 23 21:23
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3678683Feb 23 21:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | When writers reli...Feb 23 21:39
schestowitz__"|Big publishers entered the memory hole era a decade ago. This is why it is important to be able to share. We won't have libraries with the evil copyright laws publishers force on us. US News now has all the validity and weight of toilet paper.|Feb 23 21:39
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3679189Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__"Feb 23 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Google used to re...Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__I think the deal was that you were supposed to spend 20% of your time on some personal project. An inexpensive book scanner, I think, is an example of such a project.Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__Scroogle is scaring people away but I don't know if there has been any real internal cultural change. Certainly, they have sucked in a lot of people and there are infiltrators. That they can tolerate Microsoft people in management is a bad sign.Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__If any company could pull off a remote campus, it should be Google. There is something special about a university type setting where people bump into each other and are constantly challenged and exposed to new ideas. Perhaps they should have offered Bray a sabbatical instead of an ultimatum.Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__"Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__Maybe he can join a company like Jolla nowFeb 23 21:40
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3679110Feb 23 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | The worst thing o...Feb 23 21:41
schestowitz__"Now an official part of the effort to restore trust in the usual bad actors?"Feb 23 21:41
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3679141Feb 23 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Linux Web Usage A...Feb 23 21:41
schestowitz__"The eternal 2% lie wont' go away till Microsoft is dead."Feb 23 21:41
schestowitz__a quarter of computers sold with a form of Linux, so their stats (US only) lack integrityFeb 23 21:42
schestowitz__> ==Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__> Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__> "Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Traffic Jam"Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304834704579401071892041790Feb 23 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-online.wsj.com | Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Web Traffic Jam - WSJ.com [ http://ur1.ca/gooti ]Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__> Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__> So it escalates.  Net Neutrality not even mentioned in the article.Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__WSJ hates  Net Neutrality. Murdoch would benefit from slowing down competition.Feb 23 21:52
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DaemonFCMenards has Shell 5w30 on sale for $1.99 a quart.Feb 23 23:43
DaemonFCI might go stock up...Feb 23 23:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PC-BSD 10.0 vs. PC-BSD 9.2 vs. Ubuntu 13.10Feb 24 01:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Benchmarks http://t.co/5Oyz5l9K4gFeb 24 01:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gopy6Feb 24 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PC-BSD 10.0 vs. PC-BSD 9.2 vs. Ubuntu 13.10 Benchmarks | Tux MachinesFeb 24 01:54
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=TxM00TCYYML18VFeb 24 02:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Netflix has agreed to pay Comcast to stop throttling their traffic. [ http://ur1.ca/goq23 ]Feb 24 02:25
DaemonFChttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/business/media/comcast-and-netflix-reach-a-streaming-agreement.html?hpw&rref=business&_r=0Feb 24 02:25
DaemonFCNetflix has paid Comcast to quit bullying them.Feb 24 02:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/goq24 ]Feb 24 02:25
DaemonFCOne wonders who Comcast will bully next. Now that they know it works and that they can get away with extortion.Feb 24 02:25
DaemonFCComcast subscribers, who pay $70-80 a month should not get degraded service and bandwidth caps. Feb 24 02:25
DaemonFC"a person close to the companies said it involved annual payments of several million dollars"Feb 24 02:25
DaemonFCThe extortion might get bigger when the deal expires.Feb 24 02:25
DaemonFCNetflix will not absorb this. They will raise their service prices by several dollars per subscriber, and make their subscribers pay it. Feb 24 02:25
DaemonFCSprint plans to roll out the Android 4.4 update soon.Feb 24 03:15
DaemonFCto the LG G2...Feb 24 03:15
DaemonFCThey're going to roll out the 4.4.2 releaseFeb 24 03:15
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DaemonFChttp://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/Suspect-Leads-Police-On-Pursuit-Before-Capture-246791541.htmlFeb 24 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indianasnewscenter.com | Suspect Leads Police On Pursuit Before Capture (VIDEO) | Indiana's NewsCenter: News, Sports, Weather, Fort Wayne WPTA-TV, WISE-TV, and CW | Local [ http://ur1.ca/gorcb ]Feb 24 06:50
DaemonFC"Fort Wayne police identified the suspect as Henry Purifoy III, 23, of Fort Wayne."Feb 24 06:50
DaemonFCWhenever someone's name ends with "III", you know they're a trailer park meth head.Feb 24 06:50
MinceRlike bill gates? :>Feb 24 06:53
DaemonFCwell...Feb 24 06:55
DaemonFCIn Indiana, at least.Feb 24 06:56
DaemonFCThe most Republican part of the state is Wakarusa.Feb 24 06:56
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3678229Feb 24 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Google Search is ...Feb 24 06:56
schestowitz__"If it's the same with a different ISP, I suppose that it's Google. Is anyone else reporting this yet?"Feb 24 06:56
DaemonFCIn the Potawatomi language, it means "knee deep in mud".Feb 24 06:56
DaemonFCOf course, anyone that lives in Indiana right now is neck deep in shit, and I don't know the Potawatomi word for that.Feb 24 06:57
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MinceR:>Feb 24 07:01
DaemonFCI'm reading another story about the diseased animal parts that are unfit for human consumption in Hot Pockets while eating Hot Pockets.Feb 24 07:01
DaemonFCIt's OK because they're not the philly cheese steak ones that are made with ground internal organs.Feb 24 07:02
DaemonFCThese claim they are a "cuban sandwich" with ham, swiss cheese, pickles, and mustard.Feb 24 07:02
DaemonFCOf course, who knows what it really is?Feb 24 07:02
DaemonFCProbably ground internal organs from diseased animals with a bunch of chemicals.Feb 24 07:03
DaemonFCBut it was only $1.49, so I can die with a little bit of money.Feb 24 07:03
DaemonFChttp://thinkprogress.org/home/2014/02/23/3321131/iphone-security-flaw/Feb 24 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thinkprogress.org | Latest iPhone Update Fixes Major Security Flaw That Apple Kept Quiet | ThinkProgress [ http://ur1.ca/gori6 ]Feb 24 07:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 3.14-rc4 http://t.co/dqP5zxsQACFeb 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gormgFeb 24 07:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu’s Booth at MWC 2014 Looks SpectacularFeb 24 08:20
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/BEJeJCtbdoFeb 24 08:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu’s Booth at MWC 2014 Looks Spectacular | Tux MachinesFeb 24 08:20
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/22/bill-maher-overcoming-masturbation_n_4838140.htmlFeb 24 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com | Bill Maher Reads The Most Ineffective Anti-Masturbation Pamphlet Ever [ http://ur1.ca/gos7y ]Feb 24 09:23
DaemonFCThe Microsoft Media shells out big bucks slandering Android by claiming it is unforkable, then Microsoft collaborator Nokia forks Android to serve Microsoft.Feb 24 09:39
DaemonFChttp://gizmodo.com/nokia-x-the-first-nokia-android-1529525060Feb 24 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Nokia X: The First Nokia Androids [ http://ur1.ca/gosah ]Feb 24 09:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Meld 3.11.0 Has Been Ported to GTK+ 3Feb 24 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gosb0Feb 24 09:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Opening Up CommunicationsFeb 24 09:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meld 3.11.0 Has Been Ported to GTK+ 3 | Tux MachinesFeb 24 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Opening Up Communications | Tux MachinesFeb 24 09:43
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 24 09:50
DaemonFChttps://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/02/06Feb 24 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | As TPP Opposition Soars, Corporate Media Blackout Deafening | Common Dreams [ http://ur1.ca/gosc7 ]Feb 24 09:50
DaemonFCThere's a blackout on the Trans Pacific Partnership. Fox News and CNN mentioned it ZERO times. MSNBC mentioned it the Ed Show several times, but even he really softballed it.Feb 24 09:50
DaemonFCYou'd expect more news coverage of a treaty between countries that control more than 40% of the Gross World Product.Feb 24 09:50
DaemonFCIt's shameful that we have to go to the internet to read reports about the leaked draft, and how it will murder people with drug patents and kill the software freedom movement.Feb 24 09:50
DaemonFCEven Congress is having a hard time reviewing the drafts. It's easier for them to read the internet leaks than to get Obama's US Trade Representative to cooperate. Feb 24 09:50
msb__DaemonFC: How will the TPP kill the software freedom movement?  Not saying it won't, I'm just ignorant on it.Feb 24 10:43
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCThe enforcement of the 300 GB cap has been "temporarily suspended" for over two years now.Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCDownload away!Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCOf course, I have heard of them "contacting" people about "excessive" usage if they go past 700 GB.Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCOne dude got a phone call from Comcast because they thought his computer might be a spam-spewing Windows zombie.Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCPeople who use Windows and don't make sure it is free of spam-spewing malware deserve to open up a $500 cable bill. ****ers.Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCThat'll teach 'em. Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCIt will require every member state, including the US, to make patent violations a criminal offense.Feb 24 10:59
DaemonFCIncluding software patents.Feb 24 10:59
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Sosumihttp://www.macrumors.com/2014/02/23/apple-fixing-ssl-bug-other-apps-affected/Feb 24 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Planning Fix for OS X SSL Bug as New Research Reveals iMessage, Other Apps Affected - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/gosyh ]Feb 24 11:46
Sosumi"planning"Feb 24 11:46
Sosumijust like they planned to fix that other itunes bugFeb 24 11:47
Sosumiit took them what? 2 years and a halfFeb 24 11:47
Sosumihow long did it that them to fix the turbo issue with itunes back in 2009?Feb 24 11:48
Sosumiafter they acknowledged the problem (which at first they didn't)Feb 24 11:48
Sosumi6 monthsFeb 24 11:48
Sosumicrapple, lolFeb 24 11:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME Shell 3.10.4 Brings Support forFeb 24 12:32
TweetTuxMachines                 High-Resolution Displays http://t.co/FEddNArAJBFeb 24 12:32
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/petrillic/status/437942007978541058Feb 24 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@petrillic: @schestowitz @glynmoody my understanding is they're paying to host their servers closer. This has nothing to do with NN. Akamai does it.Feb 24 13:52
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/437943046156476417Feb 24 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @petrillic @schestowitz I've not seen it explained thus; details matter here...Feb 24 13:53
DaemonFChttp://androidandme.com/2014/02/news/nokia-x-family-introduced-as-trio-of-android-based-smartphones/Feb 24 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-androidandme.com | Nokia X family introduced as trio of Android-based smartphones | Android and Me [ http://ur1.ca/goto4 ]Feb 24 13:54
schestowitz_bed2http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/23/comcasts-deal-with-netflix-makes-network-neutrality-obsolete/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/23/comcasts-deal-with-netflix-makes-network-neutrality-obsolete/Feb 24 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Comcast’s deal with Netflix makes network neutrality obsolete [ http://ur1.ca/goto6 ]Feb 24 13:54
DaemonFCMicrosoft AndroidFeb 24 13:54
schestowitz_bed2mehFeb 24 13:54
schestowitz_bed2I quoted you todayFeb 24 13:54
schestowitz_bed2See my post about it this morningFeb 24 13:54
schestowitz_bed2http://news.techeye.net/business/netflix-caves-into-comcast-on-throttlingFeb 24 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.techeye.net | Netflix caves into Comcast on throttling - End of US net-neutrality | TechEye [ http://ur1.ca/gotod ]Feb 24 13:55
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schestowitz_bed2"oh - sorry I thought you speak german - - anyway nice posts - I try to read all ---- hahaha ---- thank you for being part of this dispora :-)"Feb 24 13:56
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msb__DaemonFC: How will the TPP kill the software freedom movement?  Not saying it won't, I'm just ignorant on it.Feb 24 14:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/fRyMLoJFQAFeb 24 14:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google may cancel Chromebook subsidies, sayFeb 24 14:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ford to ditch Microsoft for BlackBerry in carsFeb 24 14:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesFeb 24 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google may cancel Chromebook subsidies, say Taiwan makers | Tux MachinesFeb 24 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wow! Tux Machines IS BAACCCKKKK! | Tux MachinesFeb 24 14:39
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/keonne/status/437582439607586816Feb 24 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@keonne: @schestowitz @candtalan Sweet. I just got myself an MSI GS70 wiped off windows 8 and loaded her up with @archlinux - couldn't be happierFeb 24 14:52
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/gh_geek/status/437961187360530432Feb 24 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gh_geek: It only lived in the mind of @selop RT @schestowitz: "Windows Phone is dead" http://t.co/N0WmM7cuWJFeb 24 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: What Does It Mean that Nokia Launches 3 Smartphones on Android, Now? It means desperation and that Windows Phone is deadFeb 24 14:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     $629 Blackphone aims to hide you from the NSAFeb 24 15:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | $629 Blackphone aims to hide you from the NSA | Tux MachinesFeb 24 15:19
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abeNd-orghttp://www.theverge.com/2014/2/24/5442596/ceo-of-verizon-says-he-expects-netflix-will-sign-deal-to-pay-them-asFeb 24 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Verizon CEO says he expects Netflix will sign deal to pay them as well | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/govq2 ]Feb 24 18:39
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SosumiItalian has another appointed prime ministerFeb 24 18:45
Sosumi*italyFeb 24 18:45
Sosumiwho promises immediate radical changeFeb 24 18:45
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abeNd-orghow many mistresses?Feb 24 18:46
Sosumiisn't there a saying who says that the more things change, the more they stay the same?Feb 24 18:47
Sosumiprobably one for each day of the week?Feb 24 18:47
Sosumibut from as far as I knowFeb 24 18:48
Sosumionly Berlusconi could pull thatFeb 24 18:48
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abeNd-orgive given up on any politician ever actually doing anything good for the people they representFeb 24 18:51
abeNd-orgthe only thing they ever really represent is their own pocketbookFeb 24 18:51
gde33abeNd-org: oh but it isn't so complex, if you can just get the people represented to want somethingFeb 24 18:51
Sosumibut they actually do good for the ppl they representFeb 24 18:51
Sosumiaka their campaign backersFeb 24 18:52
abeNd-orgsure, the special interests, check writers, etcFeb 24 18:52
SosumiyepFeb 24 18:52
gde33The grand nagus and other ferrengiFeb 24 18:53
abeNd-orgi think to clean this world up & set it straight, it would actually require one heck of an evil person willing to carry out some nasty stuffFeb 24 18:53
abeNd-orgsomeone willing to instantly flip the switch on criminals to erase them, & willing to enforce other laws without backing downFeb 24 18:53
abeNd-orgsomeone who doesnt care about political correctnessFeb 24 18:54
abeNd-org& who doesnt get assassinated :PFeb 24 18:54
gde33then the government funded mercinary armies will come and end everythingFeb 24 18:55
abeNd-orgno need for an army in such a utopiaFeb 24 18:56
gde33I know, it is all highly theoretical at that pointFeb 24 18:56
abeNd-orgthose left have no need/want/desire/reason to commit crimeFeb 24 18:56
gde33lolFeb 24 18:56
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gde33I think I have a good picture how we can at least all agree to progress.Feb 24 19:01
abeNd-orgif they were gainfully employed, why would they need to commit a crime?Feb 24 19:01
gde33cultureFeb 24 19:02
gde33IFeb 24 19:02
gde33'm not kiddingFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgok, easy, fry them instantly, no second chancesFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgobviously that person is no good to societyFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgthey should no longer existFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgdoneFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgnextFeb 24 19:02
gde33you are wrong actuallyFeb 24 19:02
gde33they are just people, the wrong people for the jobFeb 24 19:03
gde33to some extend it is our fault they get the jobFeb 24 19:03
abeNd-orgnot our fault they choose to commit a crimeFeb 24 19:03
gde33they might be guilty as well but lets just fix our end of the mistakeFeb 24 19:03
gde33then they become irrelevantFeb 24 19:03
abeNd-orgim not holding a gun to their head telling them to commit crimesFeb 24 19:04
abeNd-orgthat is their own free willFeb 24 19:04
gde33no you are just putting the wrong guy on the jobFeb 24 19:04
gde33then you blame him for being bad at itFeb 24 19:04
gde33you are much more powerful than you thinkFeb 24 19:04
abeNd-orgbeing good or bad at a job has nothing to do with their choice to commit a crime, be bit petty or something like rape/murderFeb 24 19:05
gde33but it isn't abuot themFeb 24 19:06
abeNd-orgoh thats right, bleeding heart liberal, of course no one has personal responsibilityFeb 24 19:06
*abeNd-org rolls eyesFeb 24 19:06
gde33I understand you want to get away from what we have as fast as possible, shooting everyone seems a good solution for that.Feb 24 19:06
gde33but it is also an ugly oneFeb 24 19:07
gde33no success is guranteed, you could be shooting people for a long timeFeb 24 19:07
abeNd-orgyes, & i already denoted above about it taking one heck of a prolonged "act of evil" to clean humanity upFeb 24 19:07
gde33yeahFeb 24 19:07
gde33that was what i was refering toFeb 24 19:07
gde33I'm not that much in a hurryFeb 24 19:08
abeNd-orgim sure there are plenty of people who don't qualify for the wastebin of humanityFeb 24 19:08
gde33I think a basic income can be presented so that it makes good sense even to greedy check writers.Feb 24 19:09
gde33just give everyone 700 euro per month, no questions asked.Feb 24 19:09
gde33then decrease all wages by 700 Feb 24 19:09
abeNd-org& instantly eliminate criminalsFeb 24 19:10
gde33split education into modules as small as possible, give people a permanent raise for every module completedFeb 24 19:10
gde33elliminate crime, reduce healthcare cost etcFeb 24 19:10
gde33but also, cheaper workers, the option to send them home whenever you like, skilled workers sitting at home waiting for you to call for 1/3 day's work.Feb 24 19:11
gde33no need to organise their healthcare or their pensionFeb 24 19:11
abeNd-orgbut as you said, you still end up with people committing crime just to do itFeb 24 19:11
abeNd-orgthose people need to be eliminated Feb 24 19:12
gde33crime starts smallFeb 24 19:12
gde33we pressure people into the field by not giving them anything at allFeb 24 19:12
abeNd-orgsure, thats why it would be easy to nip it in the bud before they turn into mass murderers :PFeb 24 19:12
gde33no place to sleep + hunger + no money = fantastic fast learning criminal Feb 24 19:12
gde33learns like a ninjaFeb 24 19:13
gde33but we create these peopleFeb 24 19:13
abeNd-orgyes, preventative is always better than reactiveFeb 24 19:13
gde33it is the egotistical society that makes these peopleFeb 24 19:13
abeNd-orgput the infrastructure in for preventativeFeb 24 19:13
gde33so we just need to be a bit more generousFeb 24 19:13
abeNd-orgbut if they still choose to commit crimes, then well, g'bye!Feb 24 19:14
gde33you dont design a great society arround crimeFeb 24 19:14
gde33crime is not the goalFeb 24 19:14
gde33you do have to address it but it cant be at the core of the argumentFeb 24 19:14
gde33or the problem will only be fixed for a whileFeb 24 19:14
gde33until the next idiot shows upFeb 24 19:14
gde33if everyone has a guranteed income they can get great creditFeb 24 19:15
gde33the money is guranteed to show upFeb 24 19:15
gde33the national debt is also backed by citizensFeb 24 19:15
gde33if the citizen is a worthless heap of sadness then you also cant borrow against him nationallyFeb 24 19:16
abeNd-orgworthless heap of sadness... sounds like something off dilbert.com :)Feb 24 19:17
gde33I'm pretty funny but not that funnyFeb 24 19:17
gde33abeNd-org: but does that make sense? If your system requires evil doers to function? perhaps not so awesome? lolFeb 24 19:19
gde33but imagine the fun if a basic income doesnt cause inflation the way everyone seems to think but actually improves the credit status of the whole country, the organisations and the people in it.Feb 24 19:21
abeNd-orgjust the one in charge,a good person, who is willing to follow through with what today's society would consider badFeb 24 19:21
gde33abeNd-org: I think Russell Brand figured it out, just use the media to bring the dumbest law to public attention, gather people arround it, then FORCE the politicians to debate the topic, while knowing we know that they know what 70% of the citizens think.Feb 24 19:24
gde33create the proverbial page, put everyone on it and then invite the politician to the discussion, after the decisions are madeFeb 24 19:25
gde33then they can do their little show how they side with the public for being reelectedFeb 24 19:25
gde33and if they listen properly, then we will vote for them again Feb 24 19:26
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3683670Feb 24 20:40
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schestowitz"The selling point being proprietary software and no physical cover for cameras? Eh..."Feb 24 20:40
gde33I was impressed howmany people are involved in making it all safe :DFeb 24 20:58
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XFaCEschestowitz: haven't seen oiaohm in awhile :(Feb 24 21:58
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gde33this thing http://basicincome2013.euFeb 24 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-basicincome2013.eu | European Citizens' Initiative for an Unconditional Basic Income (UBI) | #basicincomeFeb 24 22:26
gde33they chose to enter the petition before gathering 1 m signaturesFeb 24 22:27
gde33as if they didnt understand the gameFeb 24 22:27
gde33or wanted to set it up to fail?Feb 24 22:27
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MinceRgnFeb 24 23:30
gde33I think a basic income doesnt cause inflation, I think its limit is the point where some jobs wont find employees. Here it seems to provide a tool that forces unwanted jobs out of the market.Feb 24 23:40
gde33each citizen can get an increasing smack of cash until some jobs are not getting doneFeb 24 23:42
gde33I imagine people will then try to do those tasks themselvesFeb 24 23:42
gde33or increase the pay Feb 24 23:42
gde33I think the value of a currency depends on the ecconomic wealth of the citizens minting it?Feb 24 23:43
gde33can print as much money as you like without devaluing anythingFeb 24 23:44
gde33haha!Feb 24 23:44
MinceRand you can put them into circulation and then things will get devaluedFeb 24 23:45
gde33I dont see whyFeb 24 23:46
gde33the US for example already has so much debtFeb 24 23:46
gde33it would hardly add to thatFeb 24 23:46
gde33you could look at the large amount of debt as a feature in that way :DFeb 24 23:47
gde33MinceR: things will get cheaper, wages will go down dramaticallyFeb 24 23:48
gde33minimum wage 0 USD per yearFeb 24 23:48
gde33I think it can be done gradually, just enough to increase wages for shitty jobsFeb 24 23:50
gde33if you get 500 bucks just to stay alive a job that would normally pay 800 now pays 300Feb 24 23:51
gde33it quickly gets dubious if you should be doing a job for 75 per weekFeb 24 23:52
gde33a job might be fun enough to do for free, I think we have enough foss examples of that :)Feb 24 23:53
abeNd-orgyea, if i could afford to, id be probno IT support for all the libraries in my areaFeb 24 23:54
gde33the basic income makes running a business so much more funFeb 24 23:55
gde33always good new people available who work for astronomically low wages until the job is done, then they are happy to go homeFeb 24 23:56
gde33almost surrealFeb 24 23:56
gde33no nonsense with pensions and healthcare, can focus entirely on doing businessFeb 24 23:57
gde33better a nanny state than a nanny that is also your boss lolFeb 24 23:58
abeNd-orgit would be great if everyone could not worry about money & just do what they like to do for workFeb 24 23:58
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abeNd-orgbut some people like killing others & would prefer to do that as opposed to anything elseFeb 24 23:58
gde33the trick is to make it ecconomically viableFeb 24 23:58
gde33For the more war oriented people there is the factor of a civilian uprising.Feb 24 23:59
gde33this is always a riskFeb 24 23:59
gde33until you just provide for people, then they wont ever bother you ever againFeb 24 23:59
gde33it is not even expensiveFeb 24 23:59
gde33if we are the good guys in the war then we should at least try to be the good guys?Feb 25 00:00
gde33fighting for some dictatorship isnt very motivatingFeb 25 00:00
gde33us political myhology predicts the enemy will come from inside, like in Alien.Feb 25 00:02
abeNd-orgonly if you deny fatties their hamburgersFeb 25 00:15
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msbhello?Feb 25 00:44
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 25 03:53
DaemonFCI do hope that Pence runs for president though.Feb 25 03:53
DaemonFC1. He'll lose.Feb 25 03:53
DaemonFC2. It'll shovel some **** out of the Indiana Governor's office.Feb 25 03:53
DaemonFCUnder Indiana law, he *could* run for governor and president at the same time, but he won't do it because it will make his presidential bid weaker if people see that he's not confident. Feb 25 03:53
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCWell, I kind of wonder why, in the 21st century, I even have to dignify this crap with a response.Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCWithout government welfare, the kind of people who gravitate to Fundamentalist Christianity are not smart enough or good enough to do many useful things in the modern world. They breed and they get more welfare.Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCDidn't Hannibal Lecter even say "A rational society would either kill me or find a use for me?".Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCWhat's their excuse?Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCThe least they can do is say thank you for my money and quit oppressing me. They have a name for breeding and burning up government welfare.Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCThey call it "draining the beast". Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCerr, got the punctuation mixed up....Feb 25 05:55
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 25 05:56
DaemonFCThey're lucky that I don't tell them what I really think, because "**** you and **** your terrorist religion too." is not very polite. Feb 25 05:56
DaemonFC Menkaure says:Feb 25 06:08
DaemonFCBig business stepped into this one primarily for practical reasons; it's a bad law with potential for disastrous consequences. Basically, any employee could refuse service to any customer on religious grounds; creating a potential PR and customer service nightmare for national retailers located in Arizona. Imagine trying to operate a large supermarket or department store where half your employees are offending and turning away customers with a Feb 25 06:08
DaemonFCvariety of whackadoodle excuses. Feb 25 06:08
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 25 06:08
DaemonFCWell, at first, the religious kooks will show up to support that business, at least until they run out of other people's money and have to wait until the first of the month again. Feb 25 06:08
DaemonFCshared a link.Feb 25 06:26
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/22/1279622/-Mormons-Declare-War-on-Masturbation?detail=facebookFeb 25 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | Mormons Declare War on Masturbation [ http://ur1.ca/gp0c7 ]Feb 25 06:26
DaemonFCBill Maher already got to this. He read out of one of their old pamphlets from the 70s.Feb 25 06:26
DaemonFC"Wear pajamas that are difficult to open." Maher: "Yes, you just go into the store... 'Excuse me? Do you have any pajamas that are difficult to open?'"Feb 25 06:27
MinceRfundie "logic": http://i.imgur.com/fHC7JQW.jpgFeb 25 07:13
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DaemonFCMinceR: My favorite is "If women carried guns, they wouldn't be raped."Feb 25 07:24
MinceRthere's slightly more truth to that one than the fetus oneFeb 25 07:24
DaemonFCIf women started shooting rapists and abortion clinic hecklers, I think we'd have some new gun control laws soon.Feb 25 07:25
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MinceR:>Feb 25 07:25
MinceRthey'd be along the lines of "no guns for women", though...Feb 25 07:26
DaemonFCyeahFeb 25 07:26
DaemonFCat least they couldn't say "If women had guns" anymore.Feb 25 07:26
MinceRat the cost of egalitarianismFeb 25 07:35
msbDaemonFC: Hello, can you see me?Feb 25 07:42
msbfreenode is very intermittentFeb 25 07:43
DaemonFCyeahFeb 25 07:45
msbDaemonFC: You said Feb 25 07:53
msbDaemonFC: You said TPP would kill software freedom movement.  Would you explain that please?Feb 25 07:54
DaemonFCWell, it would deal a very serious blow to it.Feb 25 07:56
DaemonFCSome more than others.Feb 25 07:56
msbDaemonFC: How?Feb 25 07:56
DaemonFCThere's a lot of free software that clearly violates US patents.Feb 25 07:56
DaemonFCI benefit from other countries that don't recognize our patents when I download that software in binary form from their servers.Feb 25 07:56
msbYou mean for decoding DVDs?Feb 25 07:57
MinceRa lot more than thatFeb 25 07:57
DaemonFCAnd there's always the possibility that software that didn't seem to violate any patents could be found to be in violation and effectively banned.Feb 25 07:57
MinceRpatent organizations tend to allow patents for obvious things that many others have used before the patent holderFeb 25 07:57
DaemonFCmsb: Most of the stuff in RPM Fusion Free is free software that runs afoul of some US law.Feb 25 07:57
DaemonFCmostly patent lawFeb 25 07:58
DaemonFCNintendo has been very outspoken against emulators that pretend to be old Nintendo consoles.Feb 25 07:58
DaemonFCThey've been trying to get them declared illegal.Feb 25 07:58
DaemonFCImagine that they got such a law or got a judge in the US to declare Nintendo emulators illegal.Feb 25 07:59
DaemonFCBut, the TPP made patent violations a potentially criminal offense.Feb 25 07:59
DaemonFCSo nobody in any country that is a member of the TPP could host a Nintendo emulator.Feb 25 07:59
DaemonFCThen there's codecs for MPEG video and audio formats.Feb 25 07:59
DaemonFCCertain fonts.Feb 25 07:59
DaemonFCYou'd be left using Fedora the way it has to ship to be compliant with US law.Feb 25 08:00
DaemonFCSo, there'd be some holes that you couldn't fill by grabbing someone else's RPMs.Feb 25 08:00
msbNever heard of rpmfusion, and its website is down!  But OK, it's stuff that violates goddamn swpats, font copyrights, codec stuff, etc.Feb 25 08:02
msbSo this kind of thing would have to be passed around on bittorrent!Feb 25 08:03
msbLike movies and music!Feb 25 08:03
msbMaybe it would be good for lots of people to be made criminals.Feb 25 08:05
msbPeople would realize that corporations and corporate-controlled governments are out to exploit and control them.Feb 25 08:06
msbBittorrent is now the biggest type of traffic on the Net.Feb 25 08:06
MinceRif the fascists turn the internet into a set of walled gardens, i'm not sure if it will still workFeb 25 08:06
msbIf the pipes still work, clever people may find ways through the walls.Feb 25 08:07
MinceRif.Feb 25 08:08
msbAn alternative would be DIY-net -- wifi webs -- I forget what that's called by OLPCs can do it -- fiber strung between homes, lasers thru little telescopes, etc.Feb 25 08:10
msbby--> butFeb 25 08:10
MinceRyeah, mesh networkingFeb 25 08:10
msbright!Feb 25 08:10
MinceRthat's what people should build, especially in citiesFeb 25 08:10
msbTo do that, and many other things, we need people to wake up.Feb 25 08:11
msbWake up from the programming, like we did in the 1960's revolution.Feb 25 08:11
msbCannabis helped a whole lot.Feb 25 08:11
msbIt also helps to get off booze, and stop drinking fluoride.Feb 25 08:12
*MinceR gets fluoride via toothpaste :>Feb 25 08:12
msbFluoride calcifies the pineal gland, which if healthy produces small amounts of DMT, which makes people imaginative and hard to control.Feb 25 08:12
msbfluoride is in toothpaste and most tapwater.Feb 25 08:13
MinceRafaik it's not in most tap water outside the US :>Feb 25 08:13
msbYou can get a distiller for about $160, which makes distilled water for about 40 cents/gallon for the electricity.Feb 25 08:14
msbThat's good.  The US is the center of world fascism.Feb 25 08:14
msbThen I add CaCO3 and MgCO3 to the distilled water.  Otherwise it slowly dissolves your teeth.Feb 25 08:14
msbFluoride was put in the water in nazi and stalinist prison camps in WWII to make prisoners docile.Feb 25 08:15
DaemonFCRMS sent a reply to one of my emails.Feb 25 08:16
DaemonFCI sent him a link to a story about Comcast making that deal with Netflix.Feb 25 08:16
DaemonFCNetflix pays Comcast money to stop throttling their traffic.Feb 25 08:16
msbYeah, horrible.Feb 25 08:16
DaemonFCThanks.Feb 25 08:17
DaemonFCOf course, Netflix is utterly horrible, and ought to be illegalFeb 25 08:17
DaemonFC(since all DRM should be illegal).  I agree that Comcast should notFeb 25 08:17
DaemonFCbe allowed to bully anyone, but we should never mention NetflixFeb 25 08:17
DaemonFCwithout condemning it.Feb 25 08:17
DaemonFC-- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. Feb 25 08:17
msbThe decision that non-neutrality is ok because people can always choose another isp is bullshit.Feb 25 08:18
msbHere in SF bay area we have Comcrap and ATT and that's all.Feb 25 08:18
msbIf both start throttling or banning things they don't like, we're fucked.  And this is "Silicon Valley"!Feb 25 08:19
MinceRmsb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluoridated-water-extent-world.svgFeb 25 08:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Fluoridated-water-extent-world.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gp0tn ]Feb 25 08:19
msbOr at least it was until most of the jobs went to India.Feb 25 08:19
msbMinceR: Great map!  Thanks!Feb 25 08:20
MinceRnpFeb 25 08:21
msbLooks like Israel is fluoridated.  The second center of world fascism.Feb 25 08:21
MinceRalso, australia, new zealand and ireland :>Feb 25 08:22
msband CanadaFeb 25 08:23
msbWe're also getting aluminum oxide raining down from the sky from chemtrails.  There's no doubt.  The govt has patents to do it.Feb 25 08:26
msbThe nano-sized particles are inhaled, go to the brain, and cause Alzheimer's disease.Feb 25 08:26
msbThis has been known since the 1990s, when a bunch of kidney patients were dialized using high-aluminum tapwater, and all go t alzheimer's.Feb 25 08:27
msbThe GMO food also sterilizes test animals or gives them huge cancers in 3 generations.Feb 25 08:28
msbThe fascists/psychopaths are poisoning our air, food and water.Feb 25 08:29
msbPeople have analyzed what comes down from the air.Feb 25 08:30
msband after major chemtrailing, rain puddles are whitish from Al2O3Feb 25 08:30
msbThe vaccines contain mercury and aluminum.Feb 25 08:31
msbMercury, fluorine, and aluminum are all major neurotoxins and they are in the air, food, water, and pharmaceuticals.Feb 25 08:32
msbTbe fascists are doing a War Against Socialism, War Against Consciousness (anti-cannabis, etc, pro-fluoride), and War Against False-Flag Terrorism.Feb 25 08:37
msbThe Nazis that just took over Ukraine were supported by the US, including Hillary Clinton, who is a neocon.Feb 25 08:38
msbThe Al-qaeda that are actually the "Syrian dissidents" are supported and armed by the US.Feb 25 08:39
msbAnyone listening, or are you dismissing me as a nut?Feb 25 08:39
msbBTW, fluoride is sprayed on some fruits and vegetables to kill bugs.Feb 25 08:44
msbfuck, I'm talking to about 2 people here, if any.  I have to put all this on my website.Feb 25 08:44
msbhttp://aircrap.orgFeb 25 08:48
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DaemonFChttp://www.popsci.com/article/science/why-fake-snow-doesnt-melt-because-its-realFeb 25 09:41
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DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1K9JEWWZ57I3NFeb 25 10:14
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 25 10:15
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/24/1279989/-No-one-wants-to-drive-out-to-Wal-Mart-stores-anymoreFeb 25 10:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | No one wants to drive out to Walmart stores anymore [ http://ur1.ca/gp1j3 ]Feb 25 10:15
DaemonFCSame store sales growth has turned negative again in the worst comp since the recession.Feb 25 10:15
DaemonFCCNBC is now suggesting that Walmart should start closing stores in the United States, beginning with their 100 least profitable ones.Feb 25 10:15
DaemonFCTo quote the Daily Kos article:Feb 25 10:15
DaemonFC"Walmart helped create the low-wage economy and GOP-style anti-government corporatism that is now, ironically, biting it in its ass. But there's more to the retailer's problems than austerity cuts. Fact is, its business model is increasingly an anachronism." Feb 25 10:15
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msbYes, real snow behaves as in the popsci article.  But some fake snow doesn't melt after hours at room temperature, and has fibers in it, or so some say.  You can't discount everything from a news site just because it has some errors.Feb 25 11:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Wow, Zuckerface is so hardcore. #nsa is "not awesome.” Just "Good"? http://t.co/Iuj8PpNY4M #facebook #surveillance profilingFeb 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | Mark Zuckerberg at MWC: NSA spying scandal is 'not awesome' but WhatsApp is - News - Gadgets & Tech - The IndependentFeb 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Coverage about #android powered #privacy respecting phone http://t.co/eOPOTTBfQ0 phone and Android/Google not compatible w/ privacyFeb 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wired.co.uk | Don't call it 'NSA-proof': Blackphone is here (hands-on) (Wired UK)Feb 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #privacy proponents just shouldn't use mobile phones http://t.co/oGL1Xk7PCm http://t.co/mus64xIXSH http://t.co/zLYXW68cVfFeb 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.geek.com | Super secure Blackphone details arrive, it’s not exactly NSA proof | Android | Geek.comFeb 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bloomberg.com | Use My Phone, Avoid the NSA, Is Message From Enterpreneur - BloombergFeb 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbc.ca | Anti-NSA Blackphone 'commendable,' but will consumers buy it? - Technology & Science - CBC NewsFeb 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Think your data is safe in an EU cloud? The NSA will raid your servers http://t.co/y8JlQADcZT don't use "clouds", everFeb 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Prez Obama cyber-guru: Think your data is safe in an EU cloud? The NSA will raid your servers • The RegisterFeb 25 17:04
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438353679427850241  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438354187832029184  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438354806244380672  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438355546690039808  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438356148048384000Feb 25 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Murdoch's WS-oriented WSJ props up the FBI's Mike Rogers http://t.co/BQVdkaoKeS the bogus debate about who, not ifFeb 25 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.wsj.com | Intelligence Panel Chief Says No Majority to Shift Custody of NSA Data - Digits - WSJFeb 25 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: New #Snowden Doc Reveals How GCHQ/NSA Use The Internet To 'Manipulate, Deceive And Destroy Reputations' http://t.co/D3uGDyTUwB state trollsFeb 25 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com | New Snowden Doc Reveals How GCHQ/NSA Use The Internet To 'Manipulate, Deceive And Destroy Reputations' | TechdirtFeb 25 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gchq tactic: “Set up a honey-trap,” “Change their photos on social networking sites..." http://t.co/46D4t7tIWR "not awesome.”Feb 25 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.examiner.com | Government infiltrating websites to 'deny, disrupt, degrade, deceive' - National Government | Examiner.comFeb 25 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Privatising #prism http://t.co/jRO8EWvik5 #microsoft #lyncFeb 25 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> dailycaller.com | Microsoft Lync lets employers spy on employees NSA-style | The Daily CallerFeb 25 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Layton lawmaker's bill held up because it includes tax break for NSA facility http://t.co/62WGhHg0Pw #nsa - no impunity, no taxFeb 25 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.standard.net | Layton lawmaker's bill held up because it includes tax break for NSA facilityFeb 25 17:05
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438356508481708032  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438356731543171072  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438358449769185280Feb 25 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Letter: Between #Snowden and NSA, who's the real criminal? http://t.co/1ij7O4VJYo the press which covered it up, not covered it?Feb 25 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cjonline.com | Letter: Between Snowden and NSA, who's the real criminal? | CJOnline.comFeb 25 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Why #NSA Spying On The German Chancellor's Aides Matters http://t.co/Jst9L7w972 #coldwar #politicsFeb 25 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bustle.com | BustleFeb 25 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: In the same sense/way that many bosses use browsing history as excuse for firing unwanted employees, NSA uses it to fire at unwanted peopleFeb 25 17:06
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438361038531342338  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438361463758282752  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438362046410014721  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438363027994574848Feb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is the #CIA Better Than the Military at Drone Killings? http://t.co/zDqSjauO9n #droNSA is covertly picking "targets"Feb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.nationaljournal.com | Is the CIA Better Than the Military at Drone Killings? - NationalJournal.comFeb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S., Russia at Odds over Legitimacy in Ukraine http://t.co/ZLt8Kd6O5p two superpowers vying for control under misleading bannersFeb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.democracynow.org | Headlines for February 25, 2014 | Democracy Now!Feb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Obama Advocates His Death Warrant http://t.co/kk4dHcAbCb "Obama is notorious for threats to other sovereign leaders"Feb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> patriotpost.us | Obama Advocates His Death Warrant — The Patriot PostFeb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: IBM gobbles CIA-backed NoSQL database upstart #Cloudant http://t.co/lrWLuiy0cI #ibm also pursued the #cia contract #amazon gotFeb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | IBM gobbles CIA-backed NoSQL database upstart Cloudant • The RegisterFeb 25 17:34
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438363605822894080  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438363796445618176  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438364124297592833   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438364788042006528  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438365140724232193Feb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Abduction and torture by #cia in #europe now approved http://t.co/K4PvpKWH3R how low can we go on human rights?Feb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.reuters.com | Italian former spy chief cleared in CIA rendition case | ReutersFeb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The only #cia man who is in prison over #torture is the man who blew the whistle on illegal CIA torture.Feb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #CIA chief made secret trip to #Pakistan http://t.co/c3tKKTse7O checking the "targets"Feb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tribune.com.pk | CIA chief made secret trip to Pakistan – The Express TribuneFeb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Letting a nation use its army to kill its own citizens rather than bombing them covertly http://t.co/x8bUODspskFeb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.niticentral.com | CIA chief made clandestine visit to Pakistan | Niti CentralFeb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'Amazon-CIA deal “has cranked up the basis for massive abuse.”' http://t.co/ruH73sCjje #cia #amazonFeb 25 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mintpressnews.com | Activists Challenge Amazon-CIA RelationshipFeb 25 17:34
schestowitz_log_http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/25/world/americas/in-venezuela-middle-class-joins-protests.html?_r=0Feb 25 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/gp4il ]Feb 25 17:38
schestowitz_log_Help from outside?Feb 25 17:38
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schestowitz_log_"yours dont ask why poor people barrios and places dont are participing in supose strike againt goverment? the internal and international media LIES!!the richiest neighborhood are in strike and protesting ,they are same people who try shut off president hugo chavez by leaders like leopoldo lopez who was a mayors in baruta and capriles also mayor in chacao ,same neighborhood are protesting today ,just the richiest people are proteFeb 25 17:39
schestowitz_log_sting and studients of private university who get paid of U.S.A.I.D by U.S.A GOVERMENT,and others industrial owners in venezuela !! all this people is financial by united state ,the only reason they wanna PETROLEUM FREE!!!"Feb 25 17:39
schestowitz_log_"I think the entirety of your post lacks of actual facts and makes it totally biased. Sure the article might be one-sided but there is a reason behind it: government officials constantly avoid any kind of international public interaction with newspapers like this one, or even CNN. Having said that, I think everybody can agree that the reason that Maduro got to be a president was due the reason Chavez left him as designee. Plain aFeb 25 17:41
schestowitz_log_nd simple. Chavez even though wasn't the best president that pass through Venezuela, he was a leader.Feb 25 17:41
schestowitz_log_My point being is that you cannot say that the students are the ones that the students attacked the police. That is absolutely not true and I challenge you to prove me wrong. There are videos, photos and declarations of what is going on. It is dumb to even mention that it is because of the CIA supporting Leopoldo which has no based and simply not true.Feb 25 17:41
schestowitz_log_I respect people from both sides as long as their comments are not biased. The fact that your comment did not criticized the clear and evident excess of force from the national guards and the police I think makes everything you just said not valid. You are just another biased Chavez supporter who is not willing to see the entire picture.Feb 25 17:41
schestowitz_log_Lastly: 13 deaths and you are simply criticizing the CIA, Leopoldo and The New York Times. I think there is something wrong with this."Feb 25 17:41
schestowitz_log_"If the mainstream media focused the same scrutiny on our allies around the globe as it does our official enemies, people in the USA might understand what's going on in the southern cone of South America and the world.Feb 25 17:43
schestowitz_log_The usual pattern emerges: a govt that succeeds in improving the lot of the poor (as Venezuela has, indisputably), or even a attempts to (as Haiti tried over the last two decades - until the US helped kidnap the democratically elected leader) becomes the object of scorn.Feb 25 17:43
schestowitz_log_A country that overthrows a democratically elected populist (as Honduras did) becomes the recipient of increased US aid - and very little scrutiny by the media."Feb 25 17:43
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/four-days-in-and-still-no-patch-for-os-x-critical-goto-fail-bug/Feb 25 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Four days in and still no patch for critical “goto fail” bug in OS X | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/gp4no ]Feb 25 17:58
SosumiI've always said that apple was lax with securityFeb 25 17:58
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3683670Feb 25 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | #linux #android f...Feb 25 18:09
schestowitz"How Android can protect your privacy ? seriously ? Android is Google ... And Google is one of Big Bros.... And Android has backdoors."Feb 25 18:09
schestowitzSosumi: if you have nothing below the belt, then you have nothing to hideFeb 25 18:10
schestowitz"^ This is precisely why I don't use stock ROMs in any of my devices. As the saying goes, "better the devil you know"."Feb 25 18:10
schestowitz"I have a Nokia N900 with Maemo (Debian Based) managed by the community. apparently no backdoors"Feb 25 18:10
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3688095Feb 25 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Response to ODF a...Feb 25 18:11
schestowitz"Are there any tools that read - write the full OOXML standard?"Feb 25 18:11
schestowitzECMA OOXML? Not even MS Office (no version).Feb 25 18:11
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3687467Feb 25 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Tuxmachines is ba...Feb 25 18:12
schestowitz"Tuxmachines is back http://mrpogson.com/2014/02/24/wow-tux-machines-is-baaccckkkk/ thanks to <a data-hovercard='/people/da68a1f811b0f71e' href="/u/schestowitz" class='mention hovercardable' >Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)</a> :) #linux #opensource"Feb 25 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Wow! Tux Machines IS BAACCCKKKK! | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/gotwg ]Feb 25 18:12
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3685447Feb 25 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | How #Mozilla Thin...Feb 25 18:12
schestowitz"samsung is backing tizen and Bq is backing ubuntu - fyi. but is it not true that chrome is belting firefox in the browser war? shoudn't be surprised if google did walk away from mozilla."Feb 25 18:12
schestowitzMaybe Google is willing to pay only lessFeb 25 18:13
schestowitz"Last I heard, Firefox was beating out Chrome in the numbers. Not by a lot, but still ahead. There was a period where Chrome was growing much faster, and then they just edged out Firefox, but then they dropped and Firefox took a small lead and it's been that way ever since, iirc."Feb 25 18:13
SosumiI have something better than thatFeb 25 18:14
Sosumipigeon postFeb 25 18:15
Sosumiguaranteed of no backdoorsFeb 25 18:15
SosumiliterallyFeb 25 18:15
Sosumiunless someone shoots down the birdFeb 25 18:15
Sosumi:)Feb 25 18:16
Sosumibut the issue is with OSXFeb 25 18:16
Sosumiwhile maemo might have been okishFeb 25 18:17
Sosumiit doesn't beat a nice laptop with a 3g modemFeb 25 18:18
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jumpwah/status/438347111889768448Feb 25 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jumpwah: @schestowitz "long term preservation of their data", imo is essential. There is simply no argument for OOXML.Feb 25 18:23
schestowitz@jumpwah unless you work for Microsoft and have a mortgage to payFeb 25 18:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Nyssen11/status/438321852830973952Feb 25 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nyssen11: @schestowitz Tizen is a Linux Foundation OS :)Feb 25 18:24
schestowitzManaged by Samsung nowFeb 25 18:24
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MinceRbetter than nokia or intelFeb 25 18:52
MinceRnokia is a m$ puppet and intel never caredFeb 25 18:53
Sosumifix is out on a service pack just releasedFeb 25 19:06
Sosuminokia is a MS puppet nowFeb 25 19:06
Sosumiback then they used to have some of the best phonesFeb 25 19:07
gde33that is how the tech era endsFeb 25 19:08
Sosumiand with intel there's no alternative to them now on the desktop frontFeb 25 19:08
gde33big names buy everything and stomp it until no one wants it anymore while there isn't any alternativeFeb 25 19:08
Sosumisparc? power? amd (lol)Feb 25 19:09
SosuminoFeb 25 19:09
gde33it is like the biblical stories about all the knowledge being preserved by 4 guys who died that day lolFeb 25 19:09
Sosumithat is called anti-competitionFeb 25 19:09
Sosumicouple with monopolizationFeb 25 19:10
Sosumi*coupledFeb 25 19:10
MinceRyeah, back when they made the n900Feb 25 19:11
MinceRwhich was ages agoFeb 25 19:11
Sosumiback in 2008Feb 25 19:12
Sosumibefore the iphone 3gFeb 25 19:12
Sosumibut since I've never used oneFeb 25 19:13
SosumiI can't tell if apple copied anything from maemoFeb 25 19:13
MinceRwhat i know is that samsung did the things first for which crApple sued themFeb 25 19:14
Sosumino idea, all I know is that both galaxy phones and the original iphones looked like crapFeb 25 19:15
Sosumithese later versions actually look niceFeb 25 19:15
Sosumibut kind of can't beat the looks of the htc oneFeb 25 19:15
MinceRi prefer the looks of the galaxy nexusFeb 25 19:16
Sosumiit is all plasticFeb 25 19:16
MinceRno, it's notFeb 25 19:16
MinceRand even if it was, what does it matterFeb 25 19:16
Sosumiplastic with a glass cover?Feb 25 19:18
MinceRindeed.Feb 25 19:18
Sosumiit does matter, when manufacturers are trowing 5 inches more screens on those thingsFeb 25 19:18
Sosumithe risk of cracking the screen due to some pressure becomes much higherFeb 25 19:19
Sosumithe metal makes sure the phone frame doesn't twistFeb 25 19:19
Sosumiand it'd look much better than the chromed plastic on the galaxy note or galaxy s4Feb 25 19:20
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Sosumiso for me, htc one wins when it comes to durabilityFeb 25 19:20
Sosumiand if crapple ends up trowing a sapphire glass into the iphoneFeb 25 19:21
Sosumithey'll also have a very sturdy phoneFeb 25 19:21
MinceRcrApple has a very sturdy phone because nothing you do to it can decrease its functionalityFeb 25 19:22
MinceRas it starts with noneFeb 25 19:22
MinceRas for the metal making the phone tougher -- it would be nice to see drop tests confirm that :>Feb 25 19:22
synchriseven chinese companies make more durable phones see for ex. oppo finder 5Feb 25 19:22
SosumiI meant it has resisting twists and pressure without cracking the screenFeb 25 19:23
MinceRa chinese company makes the hypePhoneFeb 25 19:23
Sosumithe metal frame will always be better than plasticFeb 25 19:23
MinceRand HTC is also based in the republic of chinaFeb 25 19:23
synchris...Feb 25 19:24
Sosuminow if you want a phone without decreased functionalityFeb 25 19:24
Sosumithere's the nexus 5Feb 25 19:24
synchrisif u consider Lenovo chinese for example...Feb 25 19:24
MinceRyou don't?Feb 25 19:24
synchriseh i dontFeb 25 19:24
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SosumiI don't need a phoneFeb 25 19:24
MinceRSosumi: well, i like the nexus 5 but not for the lookFeb 25 19:24
sebsebsebhiFeb 25 19:24
MinceRthough maybe i'd like it more if i saw it (not just on pictures)Feb 25 19:25
MinceRi don't know how well its minimal aesthetics workFeb 25 19:25
MinceRhay sebsebseb Feb 25 19:25
MinceRthen again, i don't choose phones for the looks anyway :>Feb 25 19:25
sebsebsebMinceR: hiFeb 25 19:26
gde33we shuold develop a phone for efficient spyingFeb 25 19:31
MinceRcrApple already did thatFeb 25 19:31
MinceRand so did m$Feb 25 19:31
gde33send the data straight to the nsa and/or keep it on a server for them depending on their choicesFeb 25 19:31
MinceRalready doneFeb 25 19:32
MinceRin fact, the functionality can be added to many phones via skypeFeb 25 19:32
gde33they already have it but they dont route the packages efficently, in a transparent wayFeb 25 19:32
MinceRor you could just call and text and let the telco log everythingFeb 25 19:33
MinceRor use cleartext messagingFeb 25 19:33
gde33forced cleartextFeb 25 19:33
MinceRa closed messaging system that doesn't implement encryptionFeb 25 19:34
MinceRdoes whatsapp have encryption, for example?Feb 25 19:35
gde33the nudist protocolFeb 25 19:35
MinceRalso, you could send messages through dumbFuckBook, that too is a direct line to the nsaFeb 25 19:35
Sosumiand so did googleFeb 25 19:36
gde33I find it easy to have complex ideas but it quickly gets to vague to explain. Success seems to depend on how easy something can be understood.Feb 25 19:41
gde33The trick is to come up with something supper complex that can be understood easilyFeb 25 19:41
gde33My best one so far was to create a network of internet people who just agree to -in the future- look at something if at least 100 000 people signed a petition for the something.Feb 25 19:44
gde33you sign up, nothing happens, but eventually generic topics can be brought to the table if there are enough people interested in bringing the topic to the attention.Feb 25 19:45
gde33a plan has to identify a problem, propose a solution, try measure how much work it requires and/or try to put a price tag on itFeb 25 19:48
gde33have the spec for the specFeb 25 19:49
MinceRwhat is people's basis on which to decide whether to sign?Feb 25 19:53
SosumiwaitFeb 25 19:54
Sosumiwould you rely on the same kind of people that voted Obama in, twice, to make such decisions?Feb 25 19:55
Sosumisince your typical ihpone buyer belongs to that demographicFeb 25 19:56
MinceRare you saying that the hypePhone is less bad than Obomber? :>Feb 25 19:56
MinceR(i haven't even thought of comparing them yet)Feb 25 19:56
Sosumino, I'm saying that you just can't rely on dumb animals to make decisionsFeb 25 19:57
Sosumispecially, decisions that affect youFeb 25 19:57
MinceRindeedFeb 25 19:58
MinceRunfortunately, there's no other optionFeb 25 19:58
Sosumior me, personally or the tools that needFeb 25 19:58
Sosumi*IFeb 25 19:58
Sosumior might end up needingFeb 25 19:58
Sosumimob rule doesn't work when all the mob does is parrot back what they hear or readFeb 25 19:59
Sosumifrom the "trusted" news sources without putting some thought into itFeb 25 19:59
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3685447Feb 25 20:00
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schestowitz"I need to confirm sources, but I heard that this time around that it's not just that Firefox is up for it's renewal of the deal, but basically that they'd been told that it was over as of September. I haven't done much research to check this though."Feb 25 20:00
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schestowitzhttp://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/02/why-should-ukraine-not-split/Feb 25 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Why Should Ukraine Not Split? [ http://ur1.ca/gp5ox ]Feb 25 21:03
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438410315546787840  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438410949792636928  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438411549041238016   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438412825556705280   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438419279659425793Feb 25 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #zdnet is very strong poison. #android devices are now covered by former #microsoft employees there, now pretending to be journalistsFeb 25 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 8 Things We Expect from Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) http://t.co/hmE2zvn1vS #ubuntu #gnu #linuxFeb 25 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.junauza.com | 8 Things We Expect from Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) | TechSourceFeb 25 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google http://t.co/1n2RO9HTZPFeb 25 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Abuses of Rights: News About Surveillance, Torture, and Assassination http://t.co/up5l5CEto4 #technology plays major role hereFeb 25 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Abuses of Rights: News About Surveillance, Torture, and Assassination | TechrightsFeb 25 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Fedora 21's Schedule Is Closer To Being Figured Out http://t.co/sOHlnYVlGH #fedora #redhat #gnu #linuxFeb 25 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Fedora 21's Schedule Is Closer To Being Figured OutFeb 25 21:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438419379211210752  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438419631108542464  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438420684143095808   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438421138969210881Feb 25 21:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Today in #Techrights http://t.co/yIy6J5dX9sFeb 25 21:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesFeb 25 21:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Qt5 To Most Likely Stick With Time-Based Released http://t.co/cro3ur631R #qt5 #qt #kdeFeb 25 21:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Sony launches #Xperia Z2 tablet at #MWC14 http://t.co/6Xy2TYZtPG #sony dumped #windows #vaio and now a #linux backerFeb 25 21:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: War on the poor, not on poverty http://t.co/QsD7zadZA4 the #billgates approachFeb 25 21:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Galaxy S5 revealed in all its glory — launches in April http://t.co/qpTgMbuTF4 #android #linuxFeb 25 22:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Bullies https://t.co/KnoeHRPHIdFeb 25 22:03
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schestowitz"Sony should have launched a PSP tablet for remote play on the PS4 and for playing Vita games. Another missed opportunity."Feb 25 22:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: A look at Tanglu 1.0 'Aequorea Victoria' GNOME http://t.co/5QWwHmYI44 #gnome #debian #linuxFeb 25 22:57
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3689438Feb 26 06:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Stencyl 3.0 Relea...Feb 26 06:22
schestowitz'...or you could use GooCreate which is: Free as in beer for open projects Not distro or os specific Exports to HTML5+JS rather than outdated and proprietary flash format Is just as happy making 3d games as 2d Has a pleasant and modern UI while still also being able to make code free games The only downside is that both Stencyl and GooCreate are proprietary. I really wish that the Gluon project had ended up going more in this directionFeb 26 06:22
schestowitzand had survived. Still, until then, GooCreate lets people create FOSS projects using HTML 5 for all platforms for free."Feb 26 06:22
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3688295Feb 26 06:23
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schestowitz<blockquote>“You can become your own mini-NSA,” Event Zero C.E.O. David Tucker said. “Just make sure it doesn’t end up on WikiLeaks.”</blockquote>Feb 26 06:24
schestowitzGoes better with Sharepoint.Feb 26 06:24
schestowitz"Feb 26 06:24
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schestowitz"Why should he care. The IPO is over and he's got his money.""Feb 26 06:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux snapshot: Pay rates and employers withFeb 26 08:11
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MinceRgeekingsFeb 26 09:42
DaemonFCI think that the Microsoft Android is going to be their replacement for Windows Phone.Feb 26 09:44
DaemonFCWithin the next year, they'll probably announce that Windows Phone is being phased out.Feb 26 09:44
MinceRif they can make it suck enough, it can be!Feb 26 09:45
DaemonFCI'm sure it's an improvement over Windows Phone if they have access to Android apps.Feb 26 09:47
DaemonFCI wouldn't buy one.Feb 26 09:47
MinceRif.Feb 26 09:47
MinceRm$'s goal is probably to make android look badFeb 26 09:48
MinceRwell, their ui already looks horrendous, so that's partly doneFeb 26 09:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/Tjwox3FnlcFeb 26 10:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Screenshots | Tux MachinesFeb 26 10:19
DaemonFChttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1294192/What-fizzy-drinks-makes-addictive.htmlFeb 26 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | What is it about fizzy drinks that makes them so addictive? | Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/gpav1 ]Feb 26 10:22
DaemonFC"Lisa McKay used to drink 20 cans of Coke a day"Feb 26 10:22
DaemonFCewwFeb 26 10:22
DaemonFCEven drinking 1-2 cans a day is not good for you.Feb 26 10:23
DaemonFCempty caloriesFeb 26 10:23
DaemonFCnot good for your teeth or bonesFeb 26 10:23
DaemonFCor pancreas Feb 26 10:23
DaemonFCor anything, reallyFeb 26 10:23
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Sosumibest news everFeb 26 11:31
Sosumihttp://www.anandtech.com/show/7817/elop-to-lead-devices-and-studios-at-microsoft-this-means-xboxFeb 26 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anandtech.com | AnandTech | Elop to Lead Devices and Studios at Microsoft: This Means Xbox [ http://ur1.ca/gpbfi ]Feb 26 11:31
MinceRlolFeb 26 11:31
Sosumithe guy that wanted to kill the xbox and other hardwareFeb 26 11:32
Sosumiis going to head that divisionFeb 26 11:32
SosumiuberwinFeb 26 11:32
Sosumihope he succeedsFeb 26 11:33
Sosumi:)Feb 26 11:33
MinceRso do iFeb 26 11:33
Sosumimeanwhile in the land of the setting sunFeb 26 11:34
Sosumicrapple and its new CEO are still having trouble shipping the trashcansFeb 26 11:35
Sosumiit's like they don't want to sell themFeb 26 11:35
Sosumibut it is okFeb 26 11:36
Sosumiback when the powermac cubeFeb 26 11:36
Sosumithey had a huge demand at the beginningFeb 26 11:36
Sosumibut then it died outFeb 26 11:36
Sosumias most of the ppl buying the cube were doing so for the designFeb 26 11:37
Sosumiand I see the same repeating with the trashcan proFeb 26 11:37
Sosumibut the problem this time is that they're not meeting the initial demandFeb 26 11:38
SosumimeaningFeb 26 11:38
Sosumithe next time they refreshFeb 26 11:38
Sosumithey'll probably overstock in order to prevent delaysFeb 26 11:38
Sosumibut now given that the initial demand is gone and so are the typical mac pro usersFeb 26 11:39
MinceRwhat happened to them?Feb 26 11:39
MinceRmoved to hypePads?Feb 26 11:39
Sosumithey'll be sitting on a couple of trashcans that don't sellFeb 26 11:39
SosuminoFeb 26 11:39
Sosumimoved to hp Z workstations, dell precisions and so onFeb 26 11:40
MinceRstrangeFeb 26 11:40
Sosumiwhy?Feb 26 11:40
MinceRbecause those don't have the logo they covet :>Feb 26 11:40
Sosumithey do the job in order to pay the billsFeb 26 11:40
SosumiI think that is what matters in the endFeb 26 11:41
SosumiplusFeb 26 11:41
MinceRyes, to you and meFeb 26 11:41
Sosumithey run exactly the same software, betterFeb 26 11:41
MinceRbut we're not typical crApple usersFeb 26 11:41
Sosumithe typical crapple user didn't buy towers like the mac proFeb 26 11:42
Sosumithey bought laptops or the imacsFeb 26 11:43
Sosumijust picture yourself as a mactardFeb 26 11:43
Sosumiand then look at the clutter of cables and the need to open the mac pro cover in order to pull in hdd/ssd, cards, etcFeb 26 11:44
Sosumiway too many optionsFeb 26 11:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro 0.8.9 review – KDE and Xfce desktopsFeb 26 11:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Different strokes for different folks when itFeb 26 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 comes to Linux desktops http://t.co/AC3yGJpHBIFeb 26 11:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro 0.8.9 review – KDE and Xfce desktops | Tux MachinesFeb 26 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Different strokes for different folks when it comes to Linux desktops | Tux MachinesFeb 26 11:45
Sosumimactards like "clean", minimalistic, kewl looking crapsFeb 26 11:45
Sosumineither the mac pro tower nor the xserve, alongside the supporting software fitted that new paradigm crapple is following nowFeb 26 11:47
Sosuminor was crapple anymore keeping up with windows and gnu/linux alternativesFeb 26 11:47
Sosumiso everyone that actually needed those thingsFeb 26 11:47
Sosumibailed outFeb 26 11:48
MinceRlolFeb 26 11:48
MinceRnobody but a mactard would want a crApple productFeb 26 11:48
MinceRoverpriced garbage with no customization, no flexibility and an idiot-oriented stupid OSFeb 26 11:49
MinceRand often low qualityFeb 26 11:49
SosumiI have to disagree on that frontFeb 26 11:49
Sosumitheir offerings up to 2009 were quite goodFeb 26 11:50
Sosumiand I loved the educational discountsFeb 26 11:50
MinceRthen we'll just disagree :>Feb 26 11:50
MinceRoh, also a retarded and hostile approach to their customersFeb 26 11:50
MinceRwhich started with assuming that they were all idiotsFeb 26 11:51
MinceRwhich was a self-fulfilling prophecy :>Feb 26 11:51
Sosuminotice that when I mention their offeringsFeb 26 11:51
SosumiI just mean the mac pro and the xserveFeb 26 11:51
Sosuminothing elseFeb 26 11:51
Sosumino overheating macbooksFeb 26 11:52
Sosuminor imacs nor their plastic laptopsFeb 26 11:52
MinceRor self-igniting power connectors?Feb 26 11:52
SosumiindeedFeb 26 11:52
MinceRor cracked touchpads?Feb 26 11:52
DaemonFCI noticed that the Mac Mini does not support DVI anymore.Feb 26 11:52
MinceRor displays that did not have the panels crApple claimed they did? :>Feb 26 11:52
Sosumitheir using mini display port and forcing everyone to buy an adaptorFeb 26 11:53
MinceRor self-melting "computers" like the crApple III? :>Feb 26 11:53
Sosumino idea of what an apple 2 or 3 isFeb 26 11:54
MinceRhome computersFeb 26 11:54
MinceRthe apple 2 had a good reputation, and i can't really know how much that had to do with realityFeb 26 11:54
MinceRconsidering that it's appleFeb 26 11:54
Sosumidid pre nextstep acquisition apple have computers?Feb 26 11:55
MinceRbut i know that apple 3s were so crap apple had people drop them on the ground to try and reseat chips or cardsFeb 26 11:55
SosumiI though those were fancy toastersFeb 26 11:55
MinceRwell, they had the usual idiot boxesFeb 26 11:55
MinceRboth before and afterFeb 26 11:55
MinceRi don't see a change there :>Feb 26 11:55
MinceRand i doubt they were particularly useful as toasters eitherFeb 26 11:56
Sosumi:)Feb 26 11:56
Sosumitalking of the devilFeb 26 12:07
Sosumihttp://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HP+Z820+Teardown/22396Feb 26 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ifixit.com | HP Z820 Teardown - iFixit [ http://ur1.ca/gpbov ]Feb 26 12:07
MinceRnoufixit.comFeb 26 12:09
Sosumitoo bad it doesn't allow 4 dual slot cardsFeb 26 12:09
Sosumilike the high end asus boards doFeb 26 12:09
MinceRoh, i used a similar hp boxFeb 26 12:09
Sosumiincluding their dual cpu modelFeb 26 12:09
MinceRat work :>Feb 26 12:10
Sosumiwe have the 2009 and 2010 revs at my universityFeb 26 12:10
MinceRbut i never saw the insidesFeb 26 12:10
Sosumiand they all kind of look exactly the sameFeb 26 12:10
Sosumithe only difference with the ones we haveFeb 26 12:12
Sosumiis that the ram slots are all on topFeb 26 12:12
Sosumibut still nice, too bad the slot displacement doesn't allow for 4 gpus/compute cardsFeb 26 12:13
Sosumisince dual cpu models allow for four 16x pcie slotsFeb 26 12:13
Sosumifoxcomm also appears to be the manufacturer or at least a part supplierFeb 26 12:16
Sosumihttp://www.asus.com/pt/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/Z9PED8_WS/Feb 26 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.asus.com | Servidores & Workstations - Z9PE-D8 WS [ http://ur1.ca/gpbqz ]Feb 26 12:17
Sosumithat one in a cosmos s2 box or the top of the line corsair boxFeb 26 12:18
Sosumiwould make the ultimate workstationFeb 26 12:18
Sosumialso the hp board is using lower grade capacitorsFeb 26 12:21
Sosumino rubycon or nippon chemiFeb 26 12:22
Sosumimanaged to spot a capxonFeb 26 12:22
Sosumiwhich is a second grade manufacturerFeb 26 12:22
Sosumiand delta manufactured psuFeb 26 12:51
Sosumisame has the quad g5, 2009/2010 mac prosFeb 26 12:51
Sosumibut at least crapple was using better capacitorsFeb 26 12:51
Sosumitypically sanyo denki and nippon chemiFeb 26 12:52
Sosumiin the end, the z800 is just manufactured to be as cheap as possibleFeb 26 12:53
Sosumiwith the best way to go being custom buildFeb 26 12:53
Sosumiso farFeb 26 12:53
Sosumihaven't seen a lenovo or dell precision insideFeb 26 12:54
SosumiyetFeb 26 12:54
MinceRconsidering the uefi fuckup and the m$ tax, it's probably best to go with a custom build if it doesn't have to be mobileFeb 26 13:00
MinceR(mobile as in laptop/tablet pc/tablet/phone whatever)Feb 26 13:00
Sosumiyou can get rhel instead from windowsFeb 26 13:01
Sosumifrom both hp and dellFeb 26 13:01
Sosumino idea about lenovoFeb 26 13:01
Sosumialso even that asus board I linkedFeb 26 13:02
Sosumihas efiFeb 26 13:02
MinceRthat can be a nice option when it's givenFeb 26 13:03
MinceRthen again, i wonder if they still have the "m$ gets paid per cpu sold even if it isn't sold with winblows" racket going :>Feb 26 13:06
Sosumino ideaFeb 26 13:06
Sosumibut given the components used, warranties and everythingFeb 26 13:06
SosumiI'd say custom build has the higher endFeb 26 13:07
Sosumi*higher handFeb 26 13:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     30 Big Companies and Devices Running onFeb 26 13:17
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msbSosumi: About 18 hours ago, you said "with intel there's no alternative to them now on the desktop front ... amd (lol)"  Are AMD CPUs no longer a good alternative to Intel?  Why not?  I've always used AMD, because Intel has done various evil things.Feb 26 13:45
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msbSosumi: Is AMD now far behind Intel in CPU performance?Feb 26 13:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3691732Feb 26 13:53
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schestowitz"https://joindiaspora.comManjaro Linux with the XFCE desktop it's my favorite GNU/Linux distribution. Just few times arrive I are a little conflict with the package. It's easy solve it with the terminal console, just this affraid the beginners. In french I write this article about this distribution: http://libre-city.tk/blog/?p=1089 "/posts/3691732Feb 26 13:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libre-city.tk | Libre-City Blog | La distribution Manjaro LinuxFeb 26 13:53
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schestowitzSosumi: good news about Elop depending on your POVFeb 26 13:57
schestowitzI don't know if it's good newsFeb 26 13:57
schestowitzdepends on one's assessment of what goes on with Nokia nextFeb 26 13:57
schestowitzAnd also:Feb 26 13:57
schestowitzif you don't mind being proven right that he was a malicious toolFeb 26 13:57
schestowitzFor passing patents, giving the car keys to Ballmer, etc.Feb 26 13:58
Sosumiif Elop carries on with what he was sayingFeb 26 14:07
Sosumiduring the "CEO" raceFeb 26 14:07
Sosumixbox and other gadgets will be gonerFeb 26 14:08
Sosumiand amd can hardly compete with intel now in performanceFeb 26 14:08
Sosumitheir latest 15 core xeon managed to beat a power 7 in some benchesFeb 26 14:09
msbSosumi: If I want a cpu for a desktop, and want to pay about $200 to 300 for it, how do AMD and Intel CPUs compare?Feb 26 14:26
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Sosumihttp://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-CoreFeb 26 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cpubenchmark.net | PassMark CPU Lookup [ http://ur1.ca/gpclw ]Feb 26 14:30
Sosumiat low end amd winsFeb 26 14:30
msbSosumi: I want (almost) the best performance per price at the $2-300 level, but if the AMD is 10% slower than the Intel I'd still choose intel.Feb 26 14:30
msbSosumi: I want (almost) the best performance per price at the $2-300 level, but if the AMD is 10% slower than the Intel I'd still choose AMD.Feb 26 14:30
msbSosumi: Great!  Many thanks!Feb 26 14:34
Sosumifor what?Feb 26 14:34
msbFor this infoFeb 26 14:34
msbWow, 8 cores.  I can rule the world!Feb 26 14:34
SosumilolFeb 26 14:35
Sosumialso the fx-9590Feb 26 14:37
Sosumihaven't seen that on sale anywhereFeb 26 14:37
MinceRno ARM cores listed :/Feb 26 14:37
Sosumithe fx-8350 is what everyone still has around hereFeb 26 14:37
Sosumiwhich makes me wander if amd has payed for enough fab capacity to supply cpus worldwideFeb 26 14:38
Sosumiand not just some specific countriesFeb 26 14:38
msbSosumi: Do compute-intensive Linux programs, like for converting xvid videos to x264 to save disk space, take advantage of 8 cores?Feb 26 14:38
Sosumihandbrake, from what I know, doesFeb 26 14:39
Sosumieven moreFeb 26 14:39
Sosumithan 8Feb 26 14:39
msbGreat!Feb 26 14:39
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msbI have various xvid movies, and converting them to 264 would save about half the disk space.Feb 26 14:45
MinceRit would result in additional loss of detailFeb 26 14:46
msbI hope the inevitable increase in fuzziness would not be noticeable.Feb 26 14:46
MinceRmost likelyFeb 26 14:46
msbyeahFeb 26 14:46
MinceRalmost any lossy->lossy conversion is itself lossyFeb 26 14:46
msbrightFeb 26 14:46
msbI have a few movies as vobs, but not many.Feb 26 14:47
msbOh well, there goes my reason for upgrading my 'puter.Feb 26 14:48
msbKeeping Firefox from using too much CPU seems to have stopped the crashing involving the Nvidia display driver.  Feb 26 14:49
msbMaybe the recent Firefox updates have started using up something the driver has a limited supply of.Feb 26 14:49
msbSo I've been limiting the total number of firefox tabs to keep the cpu usage low.Feb 26 14:50
MinceRNoScript can also help with thatFeb 26 14:50
MinceRand to a lesser degree, RefreshBlockerFeb 26 14:51
msbNoScript kills javascript?Feb 26 14:51
MinceRindeedFeb 26 14:52
MinceRit can be set up to only allow the javascript that's absolutely necessary to use the pageFeb 26 14:52
msbHow do it know?Feb 26 14:52
MinceRyou tell it which domains to allowFeb 26 14:52
MinceRand whether for the rest of the session, or foreverFeb 26 14:52
MinceRthough sometimes i just disable CSS to get the obstructions out of the way rather than allow the scripts that enable the close buttons and sucFeb 26 14:53
MinceRhFeb 26 14:53
MinceRi use Web Developer for that, alt+shift+a disables CSSFeb 26 14:53
msbI think FF cyclically patrols all the tabs, so the more you have, the more cpu it uses.Feb 26 14:54
MinceRdunnoFeb 26 14:54
MinceRbut i'm pretty sure that javascript and refreshes running in the background are going to use cpuFeb 26 14:54
msbLike I have about 80 tabs in 3 windows now, and the cpu usage is kinda humpy and running about 30% of cpu capacity.Feb 26 14:58
msbThe humps are about 2 seconds apart.Feb 26 14:58
msbIf it gets to twice that much usage, FF can crash.  That's ok, because restarting it brings back everything as it was.  But in the last 2 months KDE3 has been crashing with error messages from the display driver, and FF may be the cause.Feb 26 15:01
msbDo many web pages auto-refresh?  Other than, e.g., weather reports.Feb 26 15:03
MinceR'news' sites love their autorefreshFeb 26 15:03
msbAh.Feb 26 15:03
MinceRthey sometimes rip the page out from under me when i'm reading itFeb 26 15:03
MinceRand if i have no connectivity, suddenly i get an error pageFeb 26 15:03
MinceRfirst i hoped noscript would stop the madness, but it didn'tFeb 26 15:04
MinceRthen i found RefreshBlocker and now the idiocy is contained :>Feb 26 15:04
msbPages with flash use a lot of cpu.  So I routinely kill the flash container.  It comes back when I refresh a flash page.Feb 26 15:06
msbIn all the generations of Firefox, I've always had a desktop devoted to dealing with its problems.Feb 26 15:07
MinceRi tend to disable the flash plugin in my main firefox profileFeb 26 15:07
MinceRthough this is probably from the time when flash crashed more often and occasionally took the browser with itselfFeb 26 15:08
msbI want it for youtube.Feb 26 15:08
MinceRi have a separate profile for flashFeb 26 15:08
MinceRand for when i don't want to hunt domains to find out what scripts the damn page needs to work :>Feb 26 15:08
MinceRi also have a script to kill all flash instances, in case it goes out of control :>Feb 26 15:09
msbI have a script called kp which does -- killall plugin-containerFeb 26 15:09
msbThat kills flash.Feb 26 15:10
msbI think flash crashes killing the browser is why they put in the plugin-container.Feb 26 15:12
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MinceR:)Feb 26 15:16
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msbFirefox is an old friend, and very capable, so I put up with its problems.  But if they put in unremovable ads, that will change very quickly.Feb 26 15:24
MinceRthere will probably be forks without itFeb 26 15:25
MinceRalso, i tend to turn off the new tab page and they said the ads will be thereFeb 26 15:25
MinceRalso, it will probably be easy to patch the ads outFeb 26 15:25
msbWhat's the new tab page?Feb 26 15:26
MinceRwhen you open a new tab, by default it has thumbnail links and stuff on itFeb 26 15:28
MinceRthat's the oneFeb 26 15:28
MinceRit can be toggled by clicking on the 3x3 squares icon in the top right cornerFeb 26 15:28
msbAh, when you press Alt-T.Feb 26 15:28
msbI guess I mean Ctrl-TFeb 26 15:31
MinceRindeed.Feb 26 15:31
msbWell, if turning off those thumbnails kills the ads, that's easy.  I don't use them much, because typing in a couple of characters of freequently used urls creates the nice drop-down menu.Feb 26 15:33
MinceRi expect drama when the release with the ads rolls out anyway. :>Feb 26 15:37
MinceRand it's possible that iceweasel will patch them out :>Feb 26 15:37
MinceR(the debian version of firefox)Feb 26 15:37
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Sosumihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBebDeEUNcgFeb 26 16:17
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SosumipffffFeb 26 16:17
Sosumion the iphone all you need is to download a appFeb 26 16:17
Sosumi:)Feb 26 16:19
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Sosumimsb, what is the top amd fx model available at your place?Feb 26 18:32
Sosumihttps://twitter.com/adikkap/status/438706661549936640/photo/1Feb 26 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@adikkap: @salty__1970 @evabraun1912 И обоих самолетов(штурмовиков!) http://t.co/6geIIugZPwFeb 26 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@adikkap: @salty__1970 @evabraun1912 И обоих самолетов(штурмовиков!) http://t.co/6geIIugZPwFeb 26 18:51
Sosumilatvia airforce on standby after drills in russiaFeb 26 18:51
Sosumiplus US telling russia to not be "proactive" in the ukranian affairFeb 26 18:52
Sosumiafter the destabilization campaign conducted by NulandFeb 26 18:53
Sosumiwell Nuland and othersFeb 26 18:58
Sosumialthough the "F the EU remark holds to itself"Feb 26 18:58
SosumiUkraine could pretty much play both sidesFeb 26 18:59
Sosuminow what couldFeb 26 18:59
Sosumiis the US/NATO use the ukranian territory for the missile shieldFeb 26 19:00
Sosumiagainst russiaFeb 26 19:00
Sosumiand if not for the missile platformsFeb 26 19:00
Sosumiat least for radionicsFeb 26 19:01
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Sosumiso at this momentFeb 26 19:01
Sosumiit looks like US/NATO = 1 - Russia = 0Feb 26 19:02
Sosumiand they could pretty ship the mobs or use the ukranian "event" to destabilize belarusFeb 26 19:03
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3691291Feb 26 21:03
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schestowitz"I don't get it, China does not trust the US and knows well the spying issue, and even so uses Windows."Feb 26 21:03
schestowitzNetwork effect, it's time to quit the lockinFeb 26 21:03
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schestowitz"What an unbelievable world we live in. People thought I was paranoid to imagine that private companies did this, even when I had quotes from former HP Bruce Perens and training documents from Microsoft. Now we know that government also commits this crime on behalf of private companies and that they share enormous databases designed to track our every move. We need to outlaw the data collection and end the government programs. That Feb 26 21:05
schestowitzwill be difficult given the power the programs give those who run them."Feb 26 21:05
schestowitzRMS always says that stopping collection is the only solution and I suspect he's right.Feb 26 21:05
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schestowitz""They tell me go back to the shelter but it’s dangerous there. Kids want my belongings.” Those kind of thieves should be jailed and the keys trown away, they're not only unable to sustain themselves, but even while receiving help like sheltering they keep infrin"They tell me go back to the shelter but it’s dangerous there. Kids want my belongings.” Those kind of thieves should be jailed and the keys trown away, they're not Feb 26 21:06
schestowitzonly unable to sustain themselves, but even while receiving help like sheltering they keep infringing the law for no good reason. If I'm going to pay for food and shelter for that kind of people via taxes, I prefer hosting them in a prison rather than in a shelter."ging the law for no good reason. If I'm going to pay for food and shelter for that kind of people via taxes, I prefer hosting them in a prison rather than in a shelter.Feb 26 21:06
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msbSosumi: Looks like the best deal is AMD FX-9590 directly from Amazon for $270Feb 26 21:20
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msbSosumi: However, people on Amazon say that at 220 watts the FX-9590 gets too hot without a liquid cooler.  The FX-8350 is $180.Feb 26 21:36
msband 125 watts.Feb 26 21:36
Sosumiyou'd probably be forced into a closed loopFeb 26 21:37
SosumicoolerFeb 26 21:37
Sosumiwhich would probably be okFeb 26 21:39
Sosumisince the higher end ones cost as much as a top noctua or termalright higher end modelFeb 26 21:39
msbPassmarks are 9050 and 10,399.  So I'd get a 15% speed increase, which wouldn't be noticeable, and a lot of aggravation.Feb 26 21:40
Sosumibuy what fits your needs :)Feb 26 21:41
msbThis looks like a case where stepping back from the state of the art is a real good idea.Feb 26 21:42
msbWell, what kind of need would dictate going for 15% more speed with cooling problems.Feb 26 21:43
msb?Feb 26 21:43
msbOne sixth faster.  It would be barely noticeable in a game.Feb 26 21:43
Sosumiamd needs to fix that in a newer architectureFeb 26 21:45
Sosumialso I don't kind of game so I have no idea on how performance would escalateFeb 26 21:45
msbHow could it be other than linear?Feb 26 21:46
Sosumiwell ofcFeb 26 21:46
msbassuming the graphics system can keep up.Feb 26 21:46
Sosumibut given the cooling requirementFeb 26 21:46
Sosumione would have to consider how both cpus would behave using the same coolerFeb 26 21:47
Sosumirunning the same gameFeb 26 21:47
Sosumiand compare if the hotter version would end up throtlingFeb 26 21:47
msbThe guys on Amazon say the 9590 just will not work with air cooling -- gets much too hot.Feb 26 21:48
msbAnd even if you got full speed from the 9590, psychologically is 15% speed increase noticeable?Feb 26 21:48
Sosumiand how would it do with a 140mm closed loop cooler?Feb 26 21:48
msbWhich is closed-loop liquid and a 14cm fan?Feb 26 21:49
Sosumiboth, with 1:1 matchingFeb 26 21:50
msbmatching?Feb 26 21:51
Sosumiyes, the fan has the dimension of the radiatorFeb 26 21:52
Sosumiand some can take 2 on each side for push pull configsFeb 26 21:53
msbMaybe if you used liquid nitrogen cooling on the 9590 and overclocked it you could get a psychologically noticeable speed increase over the 8350.Feb 26 21:54
SosumilolFeb 26 21:55
Sosumiit depends on what your needs areFeb 26 21:55
Sosumido those 15% matter?Feb 26 21:56
msbRight.  How could it matter?Feb 26 21:56
SosumiI don't knowFeb 26 21:56
Sosumito me they just come with a huge tradeofFeb 26 21:57
Sosumiaka heatFeb 26 21:57
msbUnless you're running some kind of commercial realtime media processing system that just happens to need that much additional speed...Feb 26 21:57
msbexactlyFeb 26 21:58
Sosumifor that I'd be picking intelFeb 26 21:58
Sosumisince they run coolerFeb 26 21:58
msband paying 500+ bucks for itFeb 26 21:58
Sosumiand don't force me into a risky watercooling system that might end up leakingFeb 26 21:58
Sosumialso must consider how much power it takes to run vs computabilityFeb 26 22:00
msbyou can get into the 12000 and 13000 specmarks with Intel for 500+ bucks.  That would give a noticeable speed increase.Feb 26 22:00
msbAt least if you saw the two systems running side by side.Feb 26 22:01
msbAll things considered, I think the FX-8350, which is the one   you suggested in the first place, is the sweet spot.Feb 26 22:02
Sosumijust get a good board for itFeb 26 22:02
msbASUSFeb 26 22:03
Sosumiwell ofcFeb 26 22:03
Sosumibut a high quality oneFeb 26 22:03
msbASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX -- $178 from AmazonFeb 26 22:05
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msbmilspec components 8^)Feb 26 22:23
msbSo far I haven't been able to find a page from a Linux user running that mobo and the FX-8350 cpu.  Google ignores the word "linux" even if I put it first in the search line.  It's those goddamned reptilians I tell you!Feb 26 22:25
msbThere are OK reports of Linux, that mobo, and lower AMD CPUs.Feb 26 22:26
MinceRwhat if you prepend the + operator, as in +linux ?Feb 26 22:26
msbWhat does that do?Feb 26 22:27
MinceRit requires that that word appear in the resultsFeb 26 22:27
MinceR(AND instead of OR)Feb 26 22:27
MinceRat least i think that the docs say that's what it doesFeb 26 22:27
msbI thought it was always supposed to be AND!Feb 26 22:27
MinceRi think it's not quite booleanFeb 26 22:27
MinceRit's some sort of fuzzy thingFeb 26 22:27
msbyeah, that fits with what I'm seeingFeb 26 22:28
msbYay, it worked!  Thanks MinceR!  Only 4 hits now, this is a good one: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/363365-28-asus-sabertooth-990fx-8350-build-notes-successFeb 26 22:31
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msbCurrently I have an AMD Athlon64 5200 CPU, but I can't find a pathmark for it.Feb 26 22:37
msbMaybe the pathmark program finds the cpu not worth its time and gives up in disgust.Feb 26 22:37
msbWell, it only has 2 cores, so I'm sure I'll see a speed increase with 8.Feb 26 22:38
msbI could get a good $200 video card, become a gamer, and develop my urge to kill.Feb 26 22:39
MinceR:DFeb 26 22:40
msbI wonder if there's a first-person-shooter game where you're an apartment tenant trying to kill your landlord.Feb 26 22:40
msbI could get with that.Feb 26 22:41
msbI figure if the cpu, mobo, ram, video card, and disk all cost about the same amount -- $150-200 -- then the price/performance of the system is optimized.Feb 26 22:42
msbAssuming that you get the best available for that price for each of the components, of course.Feb 26 22:43
msbI guess I should add case/power supply.Feb 26 22:43
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XFaCEyo schestowitz__ Feb 26 23:00
msbmy current cpu is 1285 pathmarkFeb 26 23:04
schestowitz__XFaCE: hey, what;s up?Feb 26 23:05
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icecrawlerhey msb_Feb 27 05:58
icecrawlerhey DaemonFCFeb 27 05:58
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msbhi icecrawlerFeb 27 06:54
msbMy family came from Ukraine, and now it's been taken over by Nazis.Feb 27 06:55
msbNazis backed by the US, including Hillary Clinton.Feb 27 06:56
MinceRso the nazis backed by the us defeated the nazis backed by russia? :>Feb 27 07:04
msbhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-and-the-politics-of-anti-semitism-west-upholds-neo-nazi-repression-of-ukraines-jewish-community/5370790Feb 27 07:35
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msbhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/ukrainian-neo-nazis-declare-that-power-comes-out-of-the-barrels-of-their-guns/5371126Feb 27 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Ukrainian Neo-Nazis Declare that Power Comes Out of the Barrels of their Guns | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/gpjzg ]Feb 27 07:37
msbhttp://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/23/neocons-and-the-ukraine-coup/Feb 27 07:38
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msbMinceR: How is the elected government that has now been overthrown, that was backed by Russia, Nazis?Feb 27 07:39
MinceRnot sure, perhaps by analogy to the hungarian nazi government :>Feb 27 07:39
msbHow was the hungarian govt nazis?Feb 27 07:40
MinceRthey're nationalists and they follow the same methods as the earlier "socialist" dictatorship, so they're national socialists, therefore nazisFeb 27 07:40
msbIt's wrong to use the term "nazi" to mean "authoritarian".  Feb 27 07:40
MinceRthey also seem to fit the "third way" wikipedia connects with nazisFeb 27 07:41
msbThe nazis were not socialists.  Feb 27 07:41
msbThey used that word in their name to deceive people.Feb 27 07:41
MinceRsame with the commiesFeb 27 07:41
MinceRthe commies never wanted the people to have power, control or freedomFeb 27 07:41
MinceRthey never wanted to reduce the differences in wealthFeb 27 07:42
msbSome did and some didn't.Feb 27 07:42
MinceRthey just wanted to have it all for themselvesFeb 27 07:42
MinceRand the ones that didn't were few and were sidelined or murderedFeb 27 07:42
msbHow about Ho Chi Minh?Feb 27 07:42
MinceRdunnoFeb 27 07:42
msbNazis serve corporations and wealthy people.Feb 27 07:43
MinceRin all authoritarian governments, the wealth concentrates in a small groupFeb 27 07:43
MinceRit hardly matters if they deny it or not and what they call itFeb 27 07:44
msbStalinist Communists were authoritarian, but did not serve corporations.Feb 27 07:44
MinceRlike when commies claim that everything belongs to the people by which they mean that everything belongs to the state which they ownFeb 27 07:44
msbThere are certainly socialist governments that are not authoritarian.Feb 27 07:44
MinceRwell, our commie dictatorship was authoritarianFeb 27 07:45
msbin Hungary?Feb 27 07:45
MinceRand our nazi dictatorships were/are authoritarian as wellFeb 27 07:45
MinceRyupFeb 27 07:45
msbBut that doesn't mean they are/were the same.Feb 27 07:45
MinceRand most of the fidesz leaders come from mszmp, the commie state partyFeb 27 07:45
MinceRyeah, the colors and symbols are differentFeb 27 07:45
MinceRand everybody claims they're differentFeb 27 07:46
msbThe politics and allies are different.Feb 27 07:46
MinceRbecause being oppressed with different colors, symbols and words is just so greatFeb 27 07:46
MinceRallies change all the timeFeb 27 07:46
MinceRi'm not sure if the politics really are differentFeb 27 07:46
msbFor example, the socialist govt of Afghanistan was muc better for people than the Taliban, which was installed by the US via the mujanhideen, aka al-qaeda.Feb 27 07:47
msbFor example, the socialist govt of Afghanistan was much better for people than the Taliban, which was installed by the US via the mujahideen, aka al-qaeda.Feb 27 07:47
msbThe socialist govt of Nicaragua has been reelected.Feb 27 07:48
msbWhat is fidesz?Feb 27 07:48
MinceRone of the hungarian fundie nazi partiesFeb 27 07:49
MinceRthe one that currently owns the countryFeb 27 07:49
msbNot good.Feb 27 07:49
MinceRit has a vestigial ally called kdnp, who were always christian in name and had the ideology fidesz hid beforeFeb 27 07:49
MinceRand there's jobbik, which many people believe is different, even though their only problem is that they're not in the velvet seats.Feb 27 07:50
msbHopefully you are not there anymore?Feb 27 07:50
MinceRfidesz and kdnp are also members of the "european people's party" who still haven't kicked them out yetFeb 27 07:50
MinceRunfortunately, i'm still here but i'm planning to leaveFeb 27 07:50
msbI can't suggest that you come to the US, because our govt has made preparations for a total fascist takeover.Feb 27 07:52
MinceRindeed.Feb 27 07:52
MinceRunfortunately, the whole planet seems to be going to shitFeb 27 07:52
MinceReven countries i thought were doing all right are doing some horrible thingsFeb 27 07:53
msbI think Russia is the best hope we have, even though Putin is afraid of Pussy.Feb 27 07:53
MinceRnopeFeb 27 07:53
MinceRrussia is authoritarian and fundamentalistFeb 27 07:54
msbBut not nazi.Feb 27 07:54
MinceRthey locked pussy riot up because they dared insult the cult that russia loves so much nowFeb 27 07:54
msbThey chased out the oligarchs.Feb 27 07:54
MinceRare you sure?Feb 27 07:54
MinceRi doubt putin is running the show all by himselfFeb 27 07:54
MinceRhungary has its oligarchs tooFeb 27 07:54
msbThe russians certainly got rid of some of them.  They went to Israel.Feb 27 07:55
MinceRgetting rid of the oligarchs of the opposition is not "getting rid of the oligarchs"Feb 27 07:55
MinceRit's a power grab.Feb 27 07:55
MinceRtrying to paint it in a good light is like when hungarian commies claim that when the russians took over from the germans, it was "liberation"Feb 27 07:56
msbOligarchs is the term for ultrawealthy capitalists.Feb 27 07:56
MinceRwhen it was merely one master taking the slaves away from the otherFeb 27 07:56
MinceRyes, so?Feb 27 07:56
msbThey were controlling big industries and taking the profits that should have gone to the people or at least to the govt.Feb 27 07:57
msbNot everything in the world happens the way it did in Hungary.Feb 27 07:57
MinceRdo you really believe that someone who owns most of a country can be not wealthy?Feb 27 07:57
msbBy definition they are, but who are you talking about, Putin?Feb 27 07:58
MinceRputin and his palsFeb 27 07:58
MinceRfor exampleFeb 27 07:58
MinceRalso, orban and his palsFeb 27 07:58
MinceRkadar and his fellow commiesFeb 27 07:58
msbThey are the govt, and control the country, but they don't own it.Feb 27 07:59
MinceRhow so?Feb 27 07:59
msbIsn't Kadar long dead?Feb 27 07:59
MinceRyes he isFeb 27 07:59
MinceRhis legacy remainsFeb 27 07:59
MinceRand some of his buddies do tooFeb 27 07:59
MinceRand hungarian idiots idolize himFeb 27 07:59
msbUS idiots idolize Obama because he's black and "Democratic" Party, even though he is a fascist.  Feb 27 08:00
msbWho is/was Orban?Feb 27 08:01
MinceRformer secretary of the communist youth organisation, KISZ; currently president of fideszFeb 27 08:02
MinceRand dictator of hungaryFeb 27 08:02
msbhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Orb%C3%A1nFeb 27 08:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Viktor Orbán - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gpk4r ]Feb 27 08:03
msbWiki couldn't even find a picture of him smiling.Feb 27 08:03
MinceRhe doesn't deserve oneFeb 27 08:04
msbPeople are pretty happy in socialist Cuba and Nicaragua, and socialist Vietnam seems to be improving -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VietnamFeb 27 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaFeb 27 08:07
MinceRwho says so, their government?Feb 27 08:07
MinceRand if you love cuba so much, why don't you move there?Feb 27 08:08
msbThere have been various movies made in Cuba by Americans.Feb 27 08:08
MinceRafter all, you won't mind if the government doesn't allow you to have an internet connectionFeb 27 08:08
MinceRapparently that doesn't matter to commiesFeb 27 08:08
msbCuba is in great danger from the US govt.  That's why it is somewhat authoritarian.Feb 27 08:09
msbBeing able to share things like farm tractors is a great advantage.  Cuba also has very good health care.Feb 27 08:09
MinceRyeah, that's a great excuse to live in oppressionFeb 27 08:09
msbThe US has dropped viruses and insect pests on Cuba from airplanes.Feb 27 08:10
msbAnd financed anti-govt political parties.Feb 27 08:10
msbAnd of course it maintains an embargo in which no company that deals with Cuba can do business with the US.  Extremely evil.Feb 27 08:11
msbThe US govt is run by ultra-wealthy psychopaths.  Its foreign policy has always been to destroy socialism everywhere, no matter how democratic it is.Feb 27 08:12
msbSocialism is bad for the profits of the ultrawealthy that run the US govt.Feb 27 08:12
msbUS ultrawealthy businessmen financed Hitler.  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_NazisFeb 27 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneFeb 27 08:14
msbThey did it so he would murder all the socialists and labor union leaders in Europe.Feb 27 08:14
msbPure capitalism seems like a good idea when people visualize it being used in a small town.  But when the wealthy get enough money to control the govt, and are psychopaths who are willing to murder people by the millions to increase their profits, it goes very bad.Feb 27 08:17
msbhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYFeb 27 08:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ]Feb 27 08:18
MinceRwhen two sides are opposed, one side being evil doesn't automatically mean that the other one isn't as evilFeb 27 08:18
MinceRhungarians can't understand this either.Feb 27 08:18
msbTrue.  But not all governments are like in Hungary and like Stalin.Feb 27 08:19
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3694301Feb 27 08:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Big data, cloud b...Feb 27 08:19
schestowitz__"The spies know what works and want freedom for themselves."Feb 27 08:20
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3693986Feb 27 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Reshare by Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Feb 27 08:20
schestowitz__"It takes strength, incredible control and training but it's not a sport."Feb 27 08:20
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3693963Feb 27 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Reshare by Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Feb 27 08:20
schestowitz__"I'm partial to the signs threatening to serve children espresso and give them a puppy."Feb 27 08:20
schestowitz__"Haha, Will is right."Feb 27 08:20
msbHuman facial expression was not evolved to withstand high-speed strobe photography.Feb 27 08:26
msbPeople can look very weird.  And yes, ballet dancers have tits.Feb 27 08:27
msbOr ice skaters, whatever.Feb 27 08:28
DaemonFCThis winter is dragging on...Feb 27 08:28
DaemonFCI've never seen it this cold at this point.Feb 27 08:29
msbIt's been temperate in the San Francisco area, and now it's raining a little.Feb 27 08:29
msbDaemonFC: Don;t worry.  When the methane clathrate under the polar oceans finishes melting an vaporizing, it'll be plenty warm.Feb 27 08:31
msbOf course the current coasts may be submerged.Feb 27 08:31
msbHopefully Earth will not get as hot as Venus, since we're farther from the Sun.Feb 27 08:32
msbSome life should survive, along with the air-conditioning industry.Feb 27 08:34
DaemonFCThe EPA suggests that Indiana's climate will be more like Missouri's is now by 2050.Feb 27 08:36
DaemonFCAnd more like Louisiana's by 2070.Feb 27 08:36
msbMethane is about 23x as effective a greenhouse gas as CO2.  The more that's released, the hotter it gets, causing more to melt and release.  It's literally exponential.  I doubt that the EPA is taking that into account.Feb 27 08:39
msbDaemonFC: Well, you should start learning French and enjoying Zydeco music!Feb 27 08:40
msbDig a pond and get into the shrimp farming industry early!Feb 27 08:41
msbI love this song:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fs12_-ihPYFeb 27 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Balfa Brothers - Parlez Nous A Boire - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gpkdz ]Feb 27 08:43
msbA bit of the lyrics here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMzysRahEXs  Southern Comfort is a great movie.Feb 27 08:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Parlez-nous à boire - Balfa brothers & Marc Savoy - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gpkef ]Feb 27 08:48
DaemonFCmsb: So Florida will be underwater. That's bad. They'll move further north. Some of them may end up in Indiana. :PFeb 27 08:52
msbAgghh!Feb 27 08:53
msbInvest in the suntan lotion industry.  And move to Canada.Feb 27 08:55
msbHalf a century ago my family had a short vacation in Florida.  It was horribly hot there.  Being submerged would be a blessing.Feb 27 08:58
msbIn the TV series (Star Trek) Enterprise, aliens burned a 10 mile wide swathe across Florida, just to test their planet-kller weapon.  It's a great show, lasted several years.Feb 27 09:00
msbHah!  Castle did Scientology!  S06E16Feb 27 09:28
DaemonFCmsb: It turns out that the Hubbert Curve was wrong.Feb 27 09:32
DaemonFCIt didn't anticipate enhanced recovery and unconventional oil.Feb 27 09:32
DaemonFCIt looks like supply isn't going to be the problem.Feb 27 09:33
DaemonFCWe have enough to fry ourselves many times over. :)Feb 27 09:33
msbBurning it and making CO2 is going to be the  problem.Feb 27 09:33
msbyepFeb 27 09:33
msbAlso there's plenty of coal, which can be converted to oil, or burned as is.  Same CO2.Feb 27 09:34
msbWe should switch to failsafe fission reactors, which can be built -- they just cost more.Feb 27 09:35
msbAnd develop cold fusion.Feb 27 09:35
DaemonFCI used recycled motor oil in my car for a long time.Feb 27 09:36
DaemonFCThe price of other oil was rising while the price for recycled was staying under $1 per quart.Feb 27 09:36
msbDoesn't it have metal particles in it, or degenerated molecules that don't lube as well?Feb 27 09:36
DaemonFCNow they've greenwashed recycled oil and the price is basically the same. :PFeb 27 09:36
DaemonFCNo.Feb 27 09:37
msbIf you had a steam car you could burn it -- no problem.Feb 27 09:37
DaemonFCThey filter it out and add a new detergent package.Feb 27 09:37
msbCool!Feb 27 09:37
DaemonFCI was getting it for as little as 78 cents per quart at one point.Feb 27 09:37
DaemonFChttp://green.autoblog.com/2011/03/16/valvoline-nextgen-recycled-motor-oil/Feb 27 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-green.autoblog.com | Valvoline introduces NextGen recycled motor oil; now, who wants it? [ http://ur1.ca/gpkqr ]Feb 27 09:38
DaemonFCThat was before the major brands started greenwashing it.Feb 27 09:38
DaemonFCNow it's $3.50-$4 a quart. :PFeb 27 09:38
msbBetter that it's re-used in cars than spread on crops, like heavy-metal sewer sludge,  or added to the water supply, like fluoride waste from aluminum and uranium manufacturing.Feb 27 09:40
DaemonFCmsb: The store brand fluids aren't that much cheaper than the name brands.Feb 27 09:41
DaemonFCIf you use Walmart's brand of extended life antifreeze, you only save like $1 a bottle.Feb 27 09:41
DaemonFCSo I just use the Prestone brand. Probably the same stuff either way...Feb 27 09:42
msbWell, at least consider yourself lucky that you're not living in Hungary.Feb 27 09:42
msbDo not sap or impurify your precious automotive fluids!Feb 27 09:46
DaemonFCmsb: I've always been pretty frugal about most things.Feb 27 10:02
DaemonFCI heckle Comcast every six months.Feb 27 10:02
DaemonFCI shop at thrift stores for clothes.Feb 27 10:02
DaemonFCI fill my freezer with stuff that was on closeout at the supermarket. :PFeb 27 10:03
DaemonFCPennies scream as they get pinched around here. :)Feb 27 10:03
msbGood for you!Feb 27 10:03
DaemonFCI wanted a second TV for my bedroom so I could play my video games and DVDs on it.Feb 27 10:04
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438973840061124608  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438974012103098368    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438974227350568961    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438975921224429568    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438976225353404416Feb 27 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux-based operating system that hooks into Microsoft APIs and is distributed by a Microsoft partner? Think #novell and not just #nokiaFeb 27 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The FSFE's founder was right when he called the Microsoft-Nokia deal another #Microsoft - #Novell deal. #Nokia too gives patents to trolls.Feb 27 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Nokia 'Android': for Microsoft "intellectual property peace of mind" - wait till the patent-stacking starts against more Android playersFeb 27 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Weston Work Still Ongoing For A Fullscreen Shell Protocol http://t.co/itKCI7Y698 #wayland #weston #linux #graphicsFeb 27 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Weston Work Still Ongoing For A Fullscreen Shell ProtocolFeb 27 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Nothing as shocking as finding that tablet got switched on by accident and for 10 minutes of walking made a complete mess of my TODO listFeb 27 10:04
DaemonFCSo instead of buying a new one, I got on Craigslist and found a guy that was giving away a perfectly good 50" SDTV.Feb 27 10:04
DaemonFCThen I found a DTV converter for $5 at a garage sale.Feb 27 10:04
*FYI (559d90ff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.157.144.255) has joined #techrightsFeb 27 10:10
FYIThere is some development the UK - the Cabinet Office asked opinions to asses some standardsFeb 27 10:11
FYIhttp://standards.data.gov.uk/challenge/viewing-government-documentsFeb 27 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-standards.data.gov.uk | Viewing government documents | Standards Hub [ http://ur1.ca/gpky9 ]Feb 27 10:11
FYIhttp://standards.data.gov.uk/challenge/sharing-or-collaborating-government-documentsFeb 27 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-standards.data.gov.uk | Sharing or collaborating with government documents | Standards Hub [ http://ur1.ca/gpkya ]Feb 27 10:11
FYIFirst challenge was about viewing government documents.Feb 27 10:12
FYISecond clallenge was about editing government documentsFeb 27 10:12
FYIThe commenting period is now over.Feb 27 10:13
FYIhttp://standards.data.gov.uk/phases-selection-approachFeb 27 10:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-standards.data.gov.uk | Phases in the selection approach | Standards Hub [ http://ur1.ca/gpkyv ]Feb 27 10:13
FYIThere is five phases for selecting a standard.Feb 27 10:14
FYIThe Cabinet office asked opinios about ODF - should it the only document format (internally) for document editing?Feb 27 10:16
DaemonFCHmm, someone asked which cat litter works best.Feb 27 10:19
DaemonFCMy cat is weird. He loves the cheap stuff, but I tried to get the more expensive stuff once because it has less dust, and he didn't like that at all.Feb 27 10:19
schestowitz__FYI: yeahFeb 27 10:22
schestowitz__I have been debating it with Cabinet Office by emailFeb 27 10:22
schestowitz__I will publish more about it soonFeb 27 10:22
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3695367Feb 27 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Neocons and the U...Feb 27 10:24
schestowitz__"Thanks for sharing, this has been scrubbed from the US media almost entirely. John McCain and Victoria Neuland with a Neo-Nazi, classic stuff. Reminds me of the Hussein/Rumsfeld photo"Feb 27 10:24
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438982927867981824Feb 27 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Server Receives Yet Another Kernel Update http://t.co/mcw2kBctVW #ubuntu #gnu #linuxFeb 27 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Server Receives Yet Another Kernel UpdateFeb 27 10:39
MinceRwhat's the reaction to the recent revelation that the monarch of the UK abuses her veto privileges?Feb 27 10:51
MinceRgeekingsFeb 27 10:52
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Prezbyter/status/438991364554899456Feb 27 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Prezbyter: @schestowitz Protecting the community from everyone but them. Law as crime.Feb 27 11:00
schestowitz__MinceR: at dinner last night I shared this with a friendFeb 27 11:00
schestowitz__he hadn't even heard abouyt itFeb 27 11:00
schestowitz__and he hardly believed itFeb 27 11:00
schestowitz__till I told himFeb 27 11:00
schestowitz__My wife knew also, but this man is a retired professorFeb 27 11:01
schestowitz__and he didn't knowFeb 27 11:01
schestowitz__he was part of Imperial BritianFeb 27 11:01
MinceRicFeb 27 11:07
schestowitz__In IndiaFeb 27 11:11
schestowitz__and his father perhaps a spy, he never really shared much info about itFeb 27 11:11
schestowitz__then there's the knowledge about slavery and torture in Kenya, the doping of China under British control...Feb 27 11:12
schestowitz__BUTFeb 27 11:12
schestowitz__When it comes to the Queen having power he remains in denialFeb 27 11:12
schestowitz__He says Monarchy is long gone - and that's how the conversation started at this sushi batrFeb 27 11:12
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438988512571179008  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438989332322746368  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438990093265932288  Feb 27 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #NSA reform advocates oppose White House proposal to hand data to #FBI http://t.co/0Kp6Ba0rRp stop collection altogetherFeb 27 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | NSA reform advocates oppose White House proposal to hand data to FBI | World news | theguardian.comFeb 27 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Schneier: "Yes, 100 per cent: I'm a target. If the FBI tried to get a warrant on my computer..." http://t.co/3mJ8RbzWiRFeb 27 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Q&A: Schneier on trust, NSA spying and the end of US internet hegemony • The RegisterFeb 27 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "US government...used more National Security Agency surveillance than it disclosed during their court proceedings." http://t.co/KKmThGFwBOFeb 27 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.salon.com | NSA surveillance: A new door to court challenges? - Salon.comFeb 27 11:17
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438990381443973120  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438991068902989825  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438993881968173057  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438994480172380161  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438995232672456704Feb 27 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #LAPD Spies on Millions of Innocent Folks http://t.co/A07s6utqjG the new standard. Guilty until proven dead/joins NSA.Feb 27 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.laweekly.com | Forget the NSA, the LAPD Spies on Millions of Innocent Folks | News | Los Angeles | Los Angeles News and Events | LA WeeklyFeb 27 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Obama Requests NSA Phone Records Not Be Deleted http://t.co/b113inRztA Hope his voters are happy... #nsaFeb 27 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.valuewalk.com | Obama Requests NSA Phone Records Not Be DeletedFeb 27 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Justice Dept: We Need to Keep NSA Call Data ‘Indefinitely’ http://t.co/qsLPXURijK #nsa #usdojFeb 27 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.antiwar.com | Justice Dept: We Need to Keep NSA Call Data ‘Indefinitely’ -- News from Antiwar.comFeb 27 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Richard Clarke: Potential for American ‘police state’ created by NSA http://t.co/ApGunCHoY9 just "potential"? Same in #ukFeb 27 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtontimes.com | Richard Clarke: Potential for American 'police state' created by NSA - Washington TimesFeb 27 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: New assaults on American law -- more shocking revelations about NSA spying http://t.co/0xXLrZ7rpk Fox but NapolitanoFeb 27 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.foxnews.com | New assaults on American law -- more shocking revelations about NSA spying | Fox NewsFeb 27 11:18
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438996675475296256Feb 27 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #facebook is truly sick **. Someone we knew just died from a stroke; people other than the family announce it for wall attention/commentsFeb 27 11:20
DaemonFChttp://www.dailyfueleconomytip.com/uncategorized/will-switching-to-synthetic-oil-give-you-better-gas-mileage/Feb 27 11:20
DaemonFCLOLFeb 27 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailyfueleconomytip.com | Will Switching to Synthetic Oil Give You Better Gas Mileage? | Daily Fuel Economy Tip [ http://ur1.ca/gplgp ]Feb 27 11:20
DaemonFCAnother myth that just won't die.Feb 27 11:21
DaemonFCIn reality, there's very little difference between an ILSAC GF-5 rated conventional oil and a synthetic.Feb 27 11:21
DaemonFCYou will not get better gas mileage with synthetic. Feb 27 11:21
DaemonFCThe difference is slightly reduced engine wear, less sludge buildup, and the possibility of going more miles without an oil change.Feb 27 11:22
DaemonFCBut the difference in engine wear and sludge is not significant.Feb 27 11:22
DaemonFCMost gas saving tips are just wrong.Feb 27 11:23
DaemonFCAggressive driving and idling are the biggest gas wasters.Feb 27 11:24
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438997421411274753  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438997882717614080 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438998430292410369Feb 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Obama Drones On: The Slaughter of Pakistani Civilians http://t.co/ZuJH5ML9Km http://t.co/eNMgsTYjjp #droNSAFeb 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.globalresearch.ca | Obama Drones On: The Slaughter of Pakistani Civilians | Global ResearchFeb 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> host.madison.com | Drone strikes on foreign soil are difficult to justify : Daily-cardinalFeb 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Promoter of panic over "terrorism" admits that its terrorisation of the population was all in vain again http://t.co/79lRE5AAPuFeb 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> edition.cnn.com | Opinion: Forecasts of terrorist apocalypse? Never mind - CNN.comFeb 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Military #propaganda on US radio courtesy of Murdoch's Fox 'news' http://t.co/ZCS2I1mx35Feb 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siouxcityjournal.com | LETTER: Thoughts about proposed cuts to defenseFeb 27 11:32
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438998774892208128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438999213226328064  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/438999349935484928Feb 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Iraq War, Afghanistan War, Gitmo and drones [...] terrorist organizations using these as propaganda to recruit" http://t.co/ZCS2I1mx35Feb 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Yesterday #NBC was conflating drones with Bin Laden in panic headline. Today: "Stealth Search: Embattled Al Qaeda Hunts for a New Bin Laden"Feb 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The corporate media loves war. Corporations don't send troops to the battle, they only send merchandise to battles.Feb 27 11:32
DaemonFCschestowitz__: http://beta.slashdot.org/story/198685Feb 27 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-beta.slashdot.org | IE Vulnerability Exposing Banking Logins, Spreading Rapidly - SlashdotFeb 27 11:35
DaemonFChttp://www.itworld.com/security/406979/ie-zero-day-exploit-being-used-widespread-attacksFeb 27 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | IE zero-day exploit being used in widespread attacks | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/gplkm ]Feb 27 11:35
msbPlease remember!  The entire War of Terror -- the murder by the U.S. of 2,000,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq, the spying by the NSA, the destruction by the US of Libya the nation with the highest standard of living in Africa, the drone attacks that continue -- all of it is based on the 9/11 attack, and this video proves that the Twin Towers were blown up by implanted explosives.  Nothing else could have blown the multi-ton girders Feb 27 11:42
msbsideways at up to 75mph.  Only a horizontal force can accelerate objects horizontally.  Newton's Second Law of Motion F=ma is a vector equation.    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDoGuLpircFeb 27 11:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | North Tower Exploding by David Chandler - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gpllt ]Feb 27 11:42
schestowitz__Mny dad has just been venting lyracially at the USFeb 27 11:42
schestowitz__and those who sympathise with its oreign affairsFeb 27 11:43
schestowitz__e.g. in UkraineFeb 27 11:43
msbThis is a very good 13 minute documentary by Russia Today on the 9/11 research, comparing 9/11 to Operation Gladio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vka7Da6e9LY&feature=shareFeb 27 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Truthseeker: 9/11 & Operation Gladio (E23) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gplmx ]Feb 27 11:50
msbThe same false-flag terror.Feb 27 11:50
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439002817614086144  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439003578003619840  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439004076039503873    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439004500360458240Feb 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #CIA tech chief loves wearable surveillance and 'cloud' #surveillance http://t.co/9BdmWw6vQC what he likes we should all avoidFeb 27 11:51
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msbThis is a superb 5 minute video on the absurdity of the govt claims about 9/11 and about the huge coverup afterward, by James Corbett, who works with CRG  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=shareFeb 27 11:59
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schestowitz__Corbett is interesting, but he's not the face of CRGFeb 27 12:03
schestowitz__And his opinions on things cannot be extrapolated to be seen as representing CRGFeb 27 12:03
schestowitz__Forums get discredited this way, among other waysFeb 27 12:04
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439007613569998848Feb 27 12:05
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msbI only said he works with CRG.  And his video is full of facts.Feb 27 12:05
msbThe youtube page has a link to this page on Corbett's site, where he gives a transcript and copious references for the facts in the video:  http://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/Feb 27 12:09
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DaemonFChttp://money.cnn.com/2013/12/10/news/companies/soda-sales-slump/Feb 27 12:16
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DaemonFCI pretty much stopped drinking soda and freed up about $50-60 a month. I also feel much better. Even though the soda was diet soda, I started losing weight around the same time that I stopped. Some studies have shown that people who drink diet soda instead of water are 12.8 pounds heavier on average, so *something* about diet soda is causing people to pack on pounds, even though it has no sugar.Feb 27 12:16
Sosumidiet soda = aspartame/sucralose sodaFeb 27 12:19
Sosumijust as bad if not worse than normal sodaFeb 27 12:20
MinceRnot necessarily those sweetenersFeb 27 12:26
MinceRalso, what's "just as bad" about them?Feb 27 12:26
MinceRthey're differently bad :>Feb 27 12:26
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439014896899223552Feb 27 12:35
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Sosumimore problems with the trashcanFeb 27 13:01
Sosumihttp://michaelkammes.com/apple/how-i-killed-the-new-mac-pro/Feb 27 13:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-michaelkammes.com | How I killed the new Mac Pro | Michael Kammes (.com) [ http://ur1.ca/gpm4b ]Feb 27 13:01
Sosumiand no actual fixes in sightFeb 27 13:02
Sosumieven the last released thunderbolt fixm didn't fix anythingFeb 27 13:02
Sosumiwhich is awesomeFeb 27 13:03
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 27 13:27
DaemonFCActually, there's a wonderful gay pride parade in Tel Aviv every so often, and a ton of gay bars.Feb 27 13:27
DaemonFCSome of these Fundie hacks should go check it out. They'll be horrified. It'll be awesome.Feb 27 13:27
MinceRhow would that affect the usa-israel love affair?Feb 27 13:29
DaemonFCThey NEVER talk about the fact that Israel is more progressive about gay rights than most of the US states are.Feb 27 13:36
DaemonFCThey don't really want to know that, so the ones that know it don't talk about it.Feb 27 13:37
DaemonFC"Soft drink makers are prepared. Pepsico, for example, owns water brands SoBe Lifewater and Propel, while Coca-Cola owns Dasani, Vitamin Water and Smart Water."Feb 27 13:42
DaemonFCBrand of water.....Feb 27 13:42
DaemonFCI still can't fucking believe that.Feb 27 13:42
MinceRwhy?Feb 27 13:42
DaemonFCPeople paying $1-2 per bottle for water.Feb 27 13:42
MinceRfor example, mineral water from different sources can have different contents and different tasteFeb 27 13:42
DaemonFCIt comes out of every tap, basically free.Feb 27 13:42
MinceRand they usually have different brandsFeb 27 13:42
MinceRspring water is probably similar (though with lower mineral content)Feb 27 13:43
DaemonFCPeople say they don't trust that tap water is safe, so they buy tap water that some company put in plastic bottles and drink that instead.Feb 27 13:43
MinceRwell, if their heuristic is that "any tap water is bad" then this is disingenuous :>Feb 27 13:44
DaemonFCMinceR: We get a tap water quality report every year.Feb 27 13:46
DaemonFCThe biggest problem with the water where I am at is volatile organic compounds.Feb 27 13:46
DaemonFC"bad taste"Feb 27 13:46
DaemonFCbut a cheap carbon filter takes care of that.Feb 27 13:47
MinceRindeedFeb 27 13:47
DaemonFCThey're like $10 and they filter over 100 gallonsFeb 27 13:47
DaemonFCThere's more expensive filters that remove other things.Feb 27 13:49
DaemonFCBut if those things are not in your water, then you're just wasting your money.Feb 27 13:50
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msbBig problem with water if fluoride, if you are living in a red area in this map https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Fluoridated-water-extent-world.svgFeb 27 15:02
MinceRhttp://arielzellman.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/the-seven-rules-of-nationalism/Feb 27 15:06
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schestowitz__"I didn't say it is 100% safe ... But I think I'll use my openMoko again :)"Feb 27 15:12
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3695946Feb 27 15:12
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schestowitz__"It's not facebook, but people who are using it right?"Feb 27 15:12
schestowitz__"@Berta - Systems can encourage unhealthy behaviour in individuals. Facebook is designed and promoted in such a way that encourages people to vie for attention by making public more and more information about themselves and anyone else they know. users are rewarded game-style with public "scores" (likes, followers etc) to encourage them to keep collecting and giving more information. Yes, the users are playing the game, but the game Feb 27 15:13
schestowitz__designer is the one who creates the rules of the game to encourage how user interaction will occur."Feb 27 15:13
schestowitz__"So you want to say that if someone stabbed someone with the knife, so this is a knife's producer fault?"Feb 27 15:13
schestowitz__"Feb 27 15:14
schestowitz__You're using a false dichotomy (a logical fallacy). Arguing that the system designers have influence is not the same as arguing that individuals should bare no responsibility at all. It is arguing only that individuals are not the only ones responsible, and thus making them so gives a free pass to the others involved. Responsibility needs to be shared among all parties that made decisions influencing the final result.Feb 27 15:14
schestowitz__Or to use your example: If the knife manufacturer sold the knife outside divorce courts in packaging explaining how easy and satisfying it was to use the knife to stab someone with instructions included inside on how and where to stab people for maximum harm then I'd be more inclined to give them more culpability than if they sold the knife in a kitchen ship surrounded by recipe books extolling the joys of cooking. Same product. Two Feb 27 15:14
schestowitz__different systems encouraging different behaviour.Feb 27 15:14
schestowitz__"Feb 27 15:14
schestowitz__"Feb 27 15:14
schestowitz__And you are giving an example of a victim mentality - blaming others for a situation that one has created oneself or significantly contributed to. Failing or being unwilling to take responsibility for one's own actions or actions to which one has contributed or for taking action to ameliorate the situation.Feb 27 15:14
schestowitz__In this context, instead of saying "Facebook is sick", we should say "Twitter is insane", "Tor is sick" or in general "Internet is sick".Feb 27 15:14
schestowitz__Taking your example, Tor has been advertised and even prooved as a great tool to selling drugs, child ponrnography and hiring hitmans. Tor must be sick. Darknet must be sick.Feb 27 15:14
msbFluoride calcifies the pineal gland, makes the person docile and stupid.  A functioning pineal makes DMT, melatonin, and other hormones.Feb 27 15:14
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schestowitz__it there was no FB people would not do this. As for Twitter. it's not a connection among family and friends but usually among people with common interest, so it's about ideas and events, not peopleFeb 27 15:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Promoter of panic...Feb 27 15:16
schestowitz__"Why didn't anyone predict another conflict on Russia's borders? Beijing 2008 - Georgia. Sochi 2014 - Ukraine."Feb 27 15:16
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schestowitz__"As planned."Feb 27 15:16
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schestowitz__"I doubt many of them will ever even hear about this."Feb 27 15:16
schestowitz__I think that many willFeb 27 15:16
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schestowitz__"Are you just upset there is a non-sourcable number attached? I mean, there is no denying they make some amount of money from patent agreements with phone manufacturers who make Android phones. How much? Only M$ and the respecitve parties knowledgable to such secret agreements really know."Feb 27 15:18
schestowitz__They don't. It's like the EULA game. Microsoft NDAs to keep them unaware of other companies' terms.Feb 27 15:18
msbRussia is the only effective counter to US international fascist attacks.Feb 27 15:18
msbSo US will always attack nations around Russia.Feb 27 15:18
schestowitz__I mean, OEM agreements, not EULAs actually. It's in Comes vs Microsoft.Feb 27 15:19
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3689948Feb 27 15:19
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schestowitz__"Xabber is an XMPP client, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't do encrypted communications (eg zrtp or OTR), which would strike it off the list as per the authors requirements."Feb 27 15:19
msbFluoride, mercury, and aluminum are major neurotoxins, and they are variously put into our water, food and air.Feb 27 15:24
msbRussia is the only effective counter to US international fascist attacks. pace MinceRFeb 27 15:28
MinceRit's not a counter to any sort of fascist attackFeb 27 15:28
MinceRfascist attacks are no counter to each other.Feb 27 15:28
MinceRbut if you love them so much, why don't you move russia?Feb 27 15:29
MinceRjust be careful not to offend their beloved cult or you might end up in prison :>Feb 27 15:29
msbMinceR: you are still using "fascist" to mean "authoritarian".  Distorting the meaning of words/concepts causes great difficulties in communication.Feb 27 15:30
MinceRuh huhFeb 27 15:30
MinceRit is one accepted meaning if "fascist"Feb 27 15:30
MinceRs/if/of/Feb 27 15:30
msbAccepted only by people who don't mind distorting and ruining concepts.Feb 27 15:31
MinceRno true scotsmanFeb 27 15:31
msb???Feb 27 15:31
msbMinceR: Anyhow, the day may come when I will regret not moving to Russia, or Cuba as you previously told me to.Feb 27 15:33
MinceRuh huhFeb 27 15:33
MinceRyou might also want to consider north koreaFeb 27 15:34
MinceRit's a commie wonderlandFeb 27 15:34
MinceRyou'll just have to learn to like the taste of tree bark!Feb 27 15:34
msbMinceR: Perhaps you should move to the US.  You would be at home with our Republican Party.Feb 27 15:35
MinceRnot reallyFeb 27 15:35
MinceRi'm not the one arguing in favor of authoritarianism here :>Feb 27 15:35
msbThey hate "commies".Feb 27 15:35
msbI'm not either.Feb 27 15:36
MinceRyeah, and they also fail to see that commies, nazis and fascists are mostly the same.Feb 27 15:36
msbHitler attacked the USSR, killing some 20 million people.Feb 27 15:37
MinceRsomehow all that waste of ink, breath and bits comes down to centralized control of everything.Feb 27 15:37
MinceRboth nazi germany and commie russia killed massive amounts of their own people and massive amounts of other peopleFeb 27 15:37
msbThe Nazis were 75% financed by wealthy US businessmen.Feb 27 15:37
MinceRthe commies were less proud of it, thoughFeb 27 15:37
MinceRsome of they tried to hideFeb 27 15:38
MinceRhardly matters from the viewpoint of the ones who were killed, thoughFeb 27 15:38
MinceRs/some of/some of it/Feb 27 15:38
msbThe Bolsheviks were attacked by many different capitalist nations immediately after the revolution, before they had killed anybody.Feb 27 15:38
msbWhy, MinceR?Feb 27 15:39
MinceRi don't knowFeb 27 15:39
MinceRdoes this somehow explain the holodomor?Feb 27 15:39
msbThe attackers murdered millions.Feb 27 15:39
MinceRdoes this make the occupation of hungary for decades just?Feb 27 15:39
msbNot at all.Feb 27 15:39
MinceRdoes this make you blind to russian imperialism?Feb 27 15:40
msbI don't think Russia is being very imperialistic now.Feb 27 15:40
MinceRi think they're being very imperialistic indeedFeb 27 15:40
msbHow?Feb 27 15:40
MinceRthey meddle in the affairs of supposedly independent statesFeb 27 15:40
msbWhere?Feb 27 15:40
MinceRall over in the former eastern blocFeb 27 15:40
MinceRnow in ukraine, for exampleFeb 27 15:41
msbMeddling is not nearly as bad as military attacks.Feb 27 15:41
MinceRsome of the meddling is military attacks.Feb 27 15:41
msbUkraine has been taken over by nazis who are threatening jews, homosexuals, etc.Feb 27 15:41
MinceRrussia has been taken over by authoritarians who are threatening homosexualsFeb 27 15:42
MinceRstalinists were threatening jewsFeb 27 15:42
msbYes, Stalin was very evil.Feb 27 15:42
SosumiI remember when the ukranians were greeting their nazi liberatorsFeb 27 15:42
Sosumionly to find out they were much worstFeb 27 15:42
MinceR:>Feb 27 15:43
msbBut his regime was a reaction to decades of attacks by capitalist nations.Feb 27 15:43
MinceR"but he punched me first!"Feb 27 15:43
msbThey attacked because communism/socialism kills the profits of wealthy capitalists.Feb 27 15:43
MinceRassuming that it was a reaction (which it almost certainly wasn't), does this make the nature of the reaction just?Feb 27 15:43
msbThat's why US ultrawealthy financed Hitler.Feb 27 15:43
MinceRno, it didn'tFeb 27 15:43
MinceRcommunism/socialism killed the profits of the states where it was used.Feb 27 15:44
MinceRit made the russian empire fall apart -- but now they're picking up the pieces again.Feb 27 15:44
msbUnder communism, Russia advanced from horse-and-buggy to ICBMs in a few decades.Feb 27 15:45
MinceRalso, since the work i do is mental, not menial, i'm by default painted as an enemy by the commies.Feb 27 15:45
MinceRyeah, and most of that advancement was either bought or spiedFeb 27 15:45
MinceRthey could never figure out how to make cars that don't suckFeb 27 15:46
MinceRor how to make computers at allFeb 27 15:46
MinceRthe apartment blocks they built are uninhabitableFeb 27 15:46
msbMinceR: For someone who dislikes the fascist regime he lives in, you have absorbed much of their anti-socialist ideology.Feb 27 15:46
MinceRmsb: you're still trapped in the "A is evil therefore B is good" fallacy.Feb 27 15:47
msbNot at all.  I think that Stalinism was evil.Feb 27 15:47
MinceRyou'd make a good hungarianFeb 27 15:47
msbBut democratic socialism is good.  Not authoritarian.Feb 27 15:47
MinceRalso not functioningFeb 27 15:47
MinceRfree-market democracy works.Feb 27 15:48
MinceR(but you still need to work hard to keep the markets free)Feb 27 15:48
msbThe Republicans would love you, MinceR!  You think exactly like them!Feb 27 15:48
MinceRof course it's not ideal -- it's merely the least horrible thing humanity has come up with so farFeb 27 15:48
MinceRmsb: yeah, i love the usian megacorps distorting markets and corrupting states so they won't have to competeFeb 27 15:49
MinceRmsb: after all, that's what the free market is all about, isn't it?Feb 27 15:49
msbMinceR: What about the US attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, murdering two million.  Are you OK with that?  It's capitalism at work.Feb 27 15:49
MinceRi'm not sure what that has to do with capitalismFeb 27 15:49
MinceRother than that they might be in part rooted in the military-industrial complex trying to generate more demand for their productsFeb 27 15:50
msbUS capitalists run the govt, and want to control the world to maximize their profits.Feb 27 15:50
MinceRwhich means the US is neither democratic nor free-market.Feb 27 15:50
msbThat's true to.  Murder for profit.Feb 27 15:50
MinceRso why try so hard to paint me as a republican?Feb 27 15:50
msbBecause you say the same things they do.Feb 27 15:51
MinceRunlike them, i mean those things.Feb 27 15:51
MinceRand i don't say some other things they say.Feb 27 15:51
MinceRand those things are important too.Feb 27 15:51
msbYou ignore the fact that in a society in which money=power rich people control the govt.Feb 27 15:51
MinceRyou ignore the fact that there is no society where money != power.Feb 27 15:51
msbAnd enough of the rich people are psychopaths that the govt then does mass murder.Feb 27 15:52
MinceRtry to eliminate money itself and different resources will still work the same in its place.Feb 27 15:52
MinceRif you have an authoritarian regime, a small number of crazy evil people do a lot of evil thingsFeb 27 15:52
msbBut if you have functioning democracy, functioning news media, a conscious population, and an egalitarian economic system, you can avoid getting an authoritarian regime.Feb 27 15:54
MinceRindeedFeb 27 15:54
MinceRbut there are at least two competing interpretations of what an "egalitarian economic system" is.Feb 27 15:54
msbIn the US, the wealthy control the news media, and also do various things to keep the voters stupid and unconscious.  So democracy can't work.Feb 27 15:55
MinceRindeedFeb 27 15:55
MinceRthat's why the system needs to be changed so that democracy will workFeb 27 15:55
MinceRthe election system needs to stop upholding the two-party system, for example.Feb 27 15:55
MinceRand net neutrality must be kept up so that the wealthy won't get to control all of the media.Feb 27 15:56
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msbHow do you feel about Social Democracy, in which, e.g., the ratio of highest to lowest salary in any company is limited to a factor of 8 or so?Feb 27 15:56
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MinceRi'm not sure if such a limit would be healthy, and what it should beFeb 27 15:57
MinceRand if it has been tried anywhereFeb 27 15:57
msbHow do you feel about a tax on wealth, not just income.Feb 27 15:57
MinceRi'm not sure i'm comfortable with it, but i could go either way.Feb 27 15:57
msbSocial Democracy is used in the Scandinavian countries.Feb 27 15:57
MinceRwhich of them have an explicit legal limit on salary differences?Feb 27 15:57
Sosumihttp://betanews.com/2014/02/26/microsofts-attempts-to-persuade-xp-users-to-switch-to-windows-8-1-miss-the-mark/Feb 27 16:04
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Sosumiyes, because a P4 will run itFeb 27 16:05
msbMinceR: hard to find.  only 44 google hits.Feb 27 16:05
MinceRwell, i was hoping you would already knowFeb 27 16:05
msb"in Germany the salary ratio of shopfloor worker/producer to ceo is around 20:1, in England around 40:1, in the united states i understand it is around 400:1"  http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=03/12/31/3732693  Feb 27 16:06
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MinceRactually i think such a rule would be circumvented extremely easilyFeb 27 16:06
MinceRspin off a company to do the low-income jobs and contract those services to that companyFeb 27 16:07
msbNot if there's a wealth tax too.Feb 27 16:07
MinceRthe wealth tax seems orthogonal to thisFeb 27 16:07
msbLarge differences in wealth are harmful.Feb 27 16:07
MinceRon the other hand, the wealth tax seems to be a more effective means to reduce wealth disparityFeb 27 16:07
msbOK!  The Republicans just kicked you out!Feb 27 16:08
MinceRsure, but i'm not sure if they're harmful because of the difference or because of the fraudulent means by which they're usually accumulatedFeb 27 16:08
msbThey're harmful because they give power to a few.  As you said, money is always power.Feb 27 16:08
MinceRi could find plenty of examples of people who have amassed great wealth by unfair means -- but this doesn't mean that amassing great wealth is evil by itselfFeb 27 16:09
msbIt gets used for evil.  sooner or later a psychopath comes along in the family, uses the wealth to control the govt, and starts dominating and murdering people.Feb 27 16:10
MinceRit often does, but it doesn't have to beFeb 27 16:10
MinceRanother issue is how you deal with people inheriting great wealthFeb 27 16:10
msbThe great wealth should be gradually taxed away and distributed to non-wealthy (but still willing to work) people.Feb 27 16:11
msb$10 million is enough for any family to live on.Feb 27 16:12
MinceRi wouldn't approach this in term of families but in term of personsFeb 27 16:13
msbIf they can get a 5% ROI, that's $500K/year.Feb 27 16:13
MinceRalso, i'm not convinced that governments really need that much moneyFeb 27 16:15
MinceRthere's a lot of waste going onFeb 27 16:15
MinceRbuying msft licences, buying hypePads for MPs, for exampleFeb 27 16:15
MinceRironically, we hear republicans talking about how they want to reduce the government and reduce taxes while they do the exact oppositeFeb 27 16:16
msbBig expenses are maintaining a huge military, hundreds of bases around the world.Feb 27 16:16
MinceRanother example of wasteFeb 27 16:17
msbMuch bigger than MSFT licenses or ipads.Feb 27 16:17
MinceRand worse than thatFeb 27 16:17
MinceRthe USA abuses the extra power it has over other statesFeb 27 16:17
msbOf course govts should use only FOSS.Feb 27 16:17
MinceR(while it's being controlled by the megacorporations that effectively own both parties)Feb 27 16:18
msbNow you're getting it!Feb 27 16:18
msbCapitalism also wastes a lot of work and money on competition.Feb 27 16:19
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MinceRand yet capitalist economies are still massively more effective than communist ones.Feb 27 16:19
MinceRcompetition _is_ importantFeb 27 16:19
MinceRand so is diversity.Feb 27 16:19
MinceRdemocracy also has its running costs (for example, the extra cost of doing referenda and midterm elections)Feb 27 16:20
msbNicaraguans are much happier under socialism than under capitalist Somoza.Feb 27 16:20
MinceRbut it's still better than the known alternativesFeb 27 16:20
MinceRwould you be happier as a cuban non-state-party-member whom the government doesn't allow to access the internet?Feb 27 16:21
msbIf the US would stop attacking Cuba it would become more democratic.Feb 27 16:21
Sosumiukraine just sold 1.5 billion hryvnia of 5 years domestic notes at 11.5% yieldFeb 27 16:21
Sosumito some spanish hedgefundFeb 27 16:22
MinceRmsb: i really doubt thatFeb 27 16:22
msbThe US did the Bay of Pigs invasion, and sprayed Cuba with swine flu to kill their pigs and thrips palmii to kill their crops.Feb 27 16:22
MinceRdictators don't tend to soften if they're left aloneFeb 27 16:22
msbCastro is/was not a greatly evil "dictator".  Feb 27 16:24
MinceRevery dictator is greatly evil.Feb 27 16:24
msbCuba has a lot of democracy.Feb 27 16:24
MinceRin propaganda, i'm sureFeb 27 16:24
msbObama is a dictator, ruling by executive orders.Feb 27 16:24
msband media lies.Feb 27 16:25
MinceRwhen the government kindly allows the people to buy computers, that must be a lot of democracyFeb 27 16:25
MinceRi doubt obama has that much power, he comes and goesFeb 27 16:25
MinceRyou should watch out for the people pulling his strings.Feb 27 16:25
MinceRand yet i'm pretty sure that even the current system makes it easy for the voters to cast off their two-party rulersFeb 27 16:26
MinceRjust start voting for 'third parties'Feb 27 16:26
msbBig corps, like the insurance and drug companies that wrote and benefit from obamacare.Feb 27 16:26
MinceRit's their fault for not informing themselves and not voting that way.Feb 27 16:26
MinceRmeanwhile there's only one candidate on the ballot in north korea.Feb 27 16:26
MinceRthe only way out is revolution.Feb 27 16:26
msbThey get flooded with lies from the corporate media.Feb 27 16:26
MinceRthey have access to other media.Feb 27 16:27
MinceRthey could talk to each other.Feb 27 16:27
MinceRmost of them have access to the internet.Feb 27 16:27
msbThe koreans wanted to unify in the '50s.  The US backed the dictator in the south, and murdered 30% of the population in the north, in the korean war.Feb 27 16:28
msbThat's why north korea is the hell that it is today.Feb 27 16:28
MinceRand yet now the south is free and the north is one of the darkest, most brutal dictatorships on the planet.Feb 27 16:28
msbyesFeb 27 16:29
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MinceRso the US was on the right side after all.Feb 27 16:30
MinceRbblFeb 27 16:30
msbNo.  If they US had not backed the fascists and attacked the north, the whole country would be free now.Feb 27 16:30
msbChild porn can never be stopped unless the Net is totally censored.  It may even be beneficial, if pedophiles use it for masturbation, instead of molesting actual children.Feb 27 16:33
msbSince there's no doubt already plenty of kiddyporn available, no more children need be molested to make more.Feb 27 16:34
schestowitz__msb: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439072574916796416Feb 27 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Empire complex https://t.co/XmLq200y2pFeb 27 16:34
msbschestowitz__: Thanks, Roy!  That's gotta go up on my site!Feb 27 16:37
schestowitz__My dad agrees with your views on US foreign policyFeb 27 16:50
schestowitz__But some of the other stuff you say needs reconsiderationFeb 27 16:51
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439079866617835520Feb 27 16:51
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DaemonFC[11:18] <MinceR> and yet capitalist economies are still massively more effective than communist ones.Feb 27 17:20
DaemonFCThe US economy is looking more like a communist one these days.Feb 27 17:20
DaemonFCTry to sign up for internet service and you'll see what I mean.Feb 27 17:21
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439085769379287041   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439088124350971904Feb 27 17:23
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DaemonFChttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246609/Apple_retires_Snow_Leopard_from_support_leaves_1_in_5_Macs_vulnerable_to_attacksFeb 27 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com | Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable to attacks - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/gpo7j ]Feb 27 17:26
DaemonFCUhhhm, if they had $3,000 for the computer, then why can't they upgrade the operating system?Feb 27 17:26
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 27 17:37
DaemonFCDick Cheney is alive with no pulse.Feb 27 17:37
DaemonFCI think that they're sneaking human victims to him so that he can eat their flesh and brains at this point. It's the only possible explanation for why he's still alive. Feb 27 17:37
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Nyssen11/status/439100786128478208Feb 27 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nyssen11: @schestowitz So you like FF phones = ZTE & Alcatel = "ethical companies" ?Feb 27 18:15
Sosumisnow leopard has been unsupported after mountain lion was releasedFeb 27 18:25
Sosumiaka 2012Feb 27 18:26
Sosumiwith the only updates it received after thatFeb 27 18:27
Sosumibeing very critical stuffFeb 27 18:27
Sosumialso, lion isn't supported anymoreFeb 27 18:28
Sosumionly mountain lion and moronicks are supported at momentFeb 27 18:29
Sosumiuntil the next release comes inFeb 27 18:29
Sosumithen mountain lion loses supportFeb 27 18:29
MinceRreFeb 27 18:36
MinceR173027 < msb> No.  If they US had not backed the fascists and attacked the north, the whole country would be free now.Feb 27 18:36
MinceRcitation neededFeb 27 18:37
MinceR173340 < msb> Since there's no doubt already plenty of kiddyporn available, no more children need be molested to make more.Feb 27 18:37
MinceRit's a pity catholic priests won't settle for pornFeb 27 18:37
MinceR192507 < Sosumi> snow leopard has been unsupported after mountain lion was releasedFeb 27 18:38
MinceRextra confusion: Mountain Lion is supported but Puma isn'tFeb 27 18:39
MinceRbut those are the same species.Feb 27 18:39
Sosumispelling or grammar errors happen when I'm working and just give a quick glance to the irc windowFeb 27 18:42
MinceRi didn't notice any, nor was looking for them :>Feb 27 18:44
Sosumiforget the names of the catsFeb 27 18:44
MinceRi'm making fun of crApple's naming decisionsFeb 27 18:44
Sosumi10.6 lost support in 2012Feb 27 18:44
Sosuminot nowFeb 27 18:44
MinceRthey should release Cougar nextFeb 27 18:45
Sosumicrapple kills support for their OS after the 2nd releaseFeb 27 18:45
Sosumia cougar is a mountain lionFeb 27 18:45
MinceRand so's a pumaFeb 27 18:45
MinceRtheir "support" is worthless, their critical security updates lag for agesFeb 27 18:45
Sosumior a 40 - 50 years old women wearing heavy make up and provocative clothingFeb 27 18:45
MinceR:>Feb 27 18:46
MinceRthat might be a bit too long for a codename, thoughFeb 27 18:46
Sosumitrying to score some hits with younger guysFeb 27 18:46
Sosumiif that surprises you, then imagine the time they take until they acknowledge there's an issueFeb 27 18:47
MinceR:>Feb 27 18:47
MinceRthey still acknowledge issues faster than their fans do :>Feb 27 18:47
Sosumithey still haven't fixed the thunderebolt sleep issuesFeb 27 18:47
Sosumitheir 2011 laptops with amd gpus seem to be dyingFeb 27 18:48
Sosumiapparently in the same fashion all the gt8600m laptops didFeb 27 18:49
Sosumiback in 2008Feb 27 18:49
Sosumior 2007Feb 27 18:49
Sosumiwith blurred lines and artifactsFeb 27 18:49
Sosumiuntil no video signalFeb 27 18:50
MinceRsee, that's the famous crApple quality :>Feb 27 18:50
Sosumithe problem is with amdFeb 27 18:51
Sosumiactually it is with bothFeb 27 18:51
SosumiI actually think the part is failing due to heat stressFeb 27 18:52
Sosumigiven the poor cooling design on the unibody macbooksFeb 27 18:52
Sosumiand amd for failing to build a part actually capable to handle the stress according to their specificationFeb 27 18:52
Sosumithe case with the nvidia gt8600m was a defective batchFeb 27 18:53
Sosumisince failings were not only happening on crapple laptops but also hp'sFeb 27 18:54
Sosumisomething similar also happened with the gt8800 gpusFeb 27 18:57
msbMinceR: Catholic priests are forbidden from having sex, which is always done for control purposes.  That's the primary problem there.  Also, gay kiddyporn is illegal, so they would have a hard time getting it.Feb 27 18:59
msbMinceR: As to korea, I F Stone wrote about it.  Students from north and south were demonstrating for unification.  My claim that if the US had not backed the fascist torturer/murderer in the south, and had not bombed strafed napalmed 30% of the population in the north, that a united country would be free, is a deduction.  Feb 27 19:02
msbGovts always become (more) authoritarian when their nation is subjected to a genocidal attack.  Attempting to survive.Feb 27 19:04
MinceRthey had russia and red china nearby trying to make as many commie states as they couldFeb 27 19:16
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/1IWjMjk.pngFeb 27 19:18
Sosumitask manager telling that at least an instance of task manager isn't workingFeb 27 19:33
Sosumilol m$Feb 27 19:33
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/deep-black-more-details-on-boeings-new-secure-android-smartphone/Feb 27 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Deep Black: More details on Boeing’s new secure Android smartphone | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/gppqd ]Feb 27 20:34
Sosumido you want one?Feb 27 20:34
SosumiI don'tFeb 27 20:35
MinceRi'm fine with my current phone for nowFeb 27 20:35
MinceRi'm waiting for tizen, mostly :>Feb 27 20:35
SosumiI still think that nexus 5 with a custom rom or android open source > allFeb 27 20:35
MinceRyeah, it seems goodFeb 27 20:36
MinceRnot sure if it works with only free software, thoughFeb 27 20:36
Sosumiwell ofc not, the android implementation on the boeing phone is close sourceFeb 27 20:37
Sosumijust like the samsung versionFeb 27 20:38
Sosumiand the modification they the knox platformFeb 27 20:38
Sosumi*callFeb 27 20:38
MinceRpftFeb 27 20:38
Sosumiif only google had released android under gplFeb 27 20:39
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sebsebsebhiFeb 27 20:39
Sosumiseb³Feb 27 20:39
MinceRindeedFeb 27 20:39
MinceRhay sebsebseb Feb 27 20:39
Sosumisebsebseb, have you finally made the "big" jump?Feb 27 20:40
MinceRrocket jump with quad damage?Feb 27 20:40
MinceRredeemer jump?Feb 27 20:41
sebsebsebSosumi: what big jump ?Feb 27 20:41
Sosumionto the macintosh, of course :)Feb 27 20:42
MinceRinteresting way to break itFeb 27 20:42
Sosumisebsebseb, cheer onFeb 27 20:44
Sosumijust a trolling attempt :PFeb 27 20:44
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/spy-agency-intercepts-yahoo-webcam-chats-nudes-and-all/Feb 27 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Spy agency intercepts Yahoo webcam chats, nudes and all | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/gpq0l ]Feb 27 21:03
Sosumiprobably there's no longer enough budget left for a playboy subscriptionFeb 27 21:05
MinceRconsensual doesn't turn them onFeb 27 21:07
SosumiLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLFeb 27 21:08
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Sosumihttp://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/02/26/352307/german-economic-powerhouse-on-sand/Feb 27 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.presstv.com | PressTV - German economy a process of brutal exploitation: Economist [ http://ur1.ca/gpqdx ]Feb 27 21:45
Sosumiit is trueFeb 27 21:45
Sosumifinally, someone wrote about itFeb 27 21:45
MinceRhttp://kep.cdn.index.hu/1/0/558/5583/55835/5583524_00ce04802323799cc0e5e05cef030f7d_wm.jpgFeb 27 22:10
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx10N7ZSXPIL35TFeb 27 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Church sign in Harlem [ http://ur1.ca/gpqo3 ]Feb 27 22:17
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 27 22:17
DaemonFCIt just goes to prove that black Christians can be just as crazy as white Christians.Feb 27 22:17
DaemonFCI think it speaks volumes for how far they've come in the world, where a white Christian bigot such as yourself is perfectly comfortable quoting a black Christian bigot. Feb 27 22:17
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DaemonFCI really need to get some decaf coffee.Feb 28 00:04
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 28 00:28
DaemonFCWhy does California have the most lawyers while New Jersey has the most toxic waste dumps?Feb 28 00:28
DaemonFCNew Jersey got the first pick.Feb 28 00:28
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msbSosumi: That presstv article about the German economy is very good!  Thanks!Feb 28 00:55
DaemonFCI don't feel like cooking tonight,Feb 28 00:56
DaemonFCI might just make some beefaroni for dinner.Feb 28 00:56
DaemonFCmsb: Can you believe people feed this stuff to their kids?Feb 28 00:57
DaemonFCProbably made of diseased animal remnants.Feb 28 00:57
DaemonFCProbably requires an enema to flush it back out...Feb 28 00:57
DaemonFCPeople feed it to their kids.Feb 28 00:57
msbDaemonFC: I just ate a "fire-grilled steak" + veg + rice mix brandname "Evol".  Delicious!  $4 from Safeway.Feb 28 00:59
DaemonFCWe don't have Safeway here.Feb 28 00:59
DaemonFCIt's Walmart or Kroger.Feb 28 00:59
DaemonFCFort Wayne has Meijer as well, and maybe a Marsh or two if they haven't closed.Feb 28 01:00
DaemonFCMarsh is really expensive.Feb 28 01:00
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msbDaemonFC: beefaroni is actually made from dead diseased animals.  They have to be dead for at least a week to be cheap enough.Feb 28 01:00
msbEvol is a new brand.  But not a safeway brand.  Maybe it's at one of your supermarkets.Feb 28 01:00
DaemonFCYeah.Feb 28 01:01
DaemonFCibotta has been offering me like a dollar or something to buy one of their frozen burritosFeb 28 01:02
DaemonFC:PFeb 28 01:02
DaemonFCI should really start buying that whole wheat pasta.Feb 28 01:03
msbRed Baron pizzas are good.  Blot the fat off after you nuke them, and sprinkle on garlic and oregano to taste.  Sometimes $3.50, usually $7.  Feeds two.Feb 28 01:03
DaemonFCYeah, feeds two means that I'll eat two of them.Feb 28 01:03
msbI'm big and am overstuffed after eating one.Feb 28 01:03
DaemonFCI like those special deluxe ones.Feb 28 01:04
DaemonFCand the Mexican ones if I can find them.Feb 28 01:04
msbI should leave some for another meal but it tastes too good.Feb 28 01:04
DaemonFCI can eat a whole one.Feb 28 01:04
msbyes, I get the special deluxe type.Feb 28 01:04
DaemonFCI liked to dump jalapeno peppers and sour cream and salsa all over the mexican ones.Feb 28 01:04
DaemonFCI usually only eat once a day.Feb 28 01:05
msbWoof!Feb 28 01:05
msbWith cheap food and free porn one can live a happy life!Feb 28 01:06
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DaemonFCYeah.......Feb 28 01:06
DaemonFCWell, porn isn't very interactive, but at least there aren't any fights and there's an off button when you want it to go away.Feb 28 01:07
msbI even made a bash script using mplayer that loads specified videos and plays specified spans of them at specified speeds, and repeats.Feb 28 01:08
msbmplayer has a whole programmable interface, very easy to use, takes commands from stdin and prints location in seconds to stdout.  No C programming needed, just bash.Feb 28 01:10
msbI also wrote one to remove channel logos from TV videos.Feb 28 01:11
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DaemonFCI don't like those. It turns the logo into a translucent blob.Feb 28 01:23
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439212316366995457  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439212362588246016  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439212475381452800Feb 28 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Windows intuitive http://t.co/Bh7EmXydTLFeb 28 01:38
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DaemonFCUhhm, I did some stuff on Yahoo webcam, but it was like 10-11 years ago...Feb 28 01:42
DaemonFCI don't care if they recorded it. I don't consider it embarrassing.Feb 28 01:42
DaemonFCThe only reason this stuff has blackmail value is because people find it embarrassing, which is ridiculous.Feb 28 01:42
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DaemonFChttp://www.reddit.com/r/Frugal/comments/1nn24w/help_me_out_with_a_cheap_beefaroni_clone/Feb 28 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Help me out with a cheap Beefaroni clone! : Frugal [ http://ur1.ca/gps9w ]Feb 28 01:49
DaemonFCI don't know how much cheaper it gets. I got it for 65 cents per can on sale + coupons.Feb 28 01:49
DaemonFCmsb: My stepdad's sister is on some kind of heart healthy diet or something.Feb 28 01:53
DaemonFCHer cardiologist said "If it tastes good, spit it out.".Feb 28 01:53
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msbThat's ridiculous!  Take ubiquinol, carnitine, vit E, vit C, B vits, fish oil for heart.Feb 28 01:58
BfreeCsexany wone here ?Feb 28 01:59
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msbmplayer delogo works like this, and blends in very well.  You specify a rectangle that wholly (but barely) contains the logo.  For any point inside the rectangle, extend a horizontal line and a vertical line to the sides of the rectangle, making 4 intersection points.  Average the color of those 4 points and make the internal point that color.Feb 28 02:00
msbYou can specify multiple rectangles if there's more than one logo.Feb 28 02:02
DaemonFCmsb: there are plenty of fruits and vegetables that you can eat raw that are perfectly find for a heart healthy diet.Feb 28 02:02
msbPF Chang frozen chinese food is yummy.  Feb 28 02:02
DaemonFCThat doctor is an idiot.Feb 28 02:02
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439215348521652224 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439215777385025536  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439216013344010240   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439216205980008448Feb 28 02:03
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439216567520608256  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439216726375673856 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439216941740593153https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439217056396115968 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439217056396115968Feb 28 02:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Four Chrome extensions to make #Chromebook web reading easier http://t.co/kBs1yVZhI8 #gnu #linux #googleFeb 28 02:03
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msbPersonally I favor grape tomatoes and navel oranges.  But I take lots of vitamins.Feb 28 02:03
DaemonFCI like those months when Subway has any footlong for $5.Feb 28 02:04
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439217232691077122 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439217376320827392 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439217688121192448   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439218010507976704  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/439216941740593153Feb 28 02:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #YunTab S5 Android phone uses 3D infrared for secure face unlock http://t.co/GCB8kbUa3a #android #linuxFeb 28 02:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google may start selling Ara phones for $50 http://t.co/L3tKZhHQBQ #ara #google #android #linuxFeb 28 02:04
DaemonFCI end up eating subs every day. :PFeb 28 02:04
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DaemonFCschestowitz__: The version of Android you run doesn't actually matter all that much.Feb 28 02:10
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3699326Feb 28 02:11
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schestowitz__"I'm always skeptical of these statistics."Feb 28 02:11
msbDaemonFC: When you eat lunchmeat (eg, subs) containing nitrite, drink a few grams of vitamin C to neutralize the nitrosamines that otherwise can cause colon cancer.Feb 28 02:31
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DaemonFCmsb: The colon is quite a disgusting thing.Feb 28 02:34
msbWe're all full of shit.Feb 28 02:35
DaemonFCOver the course of months or years, slime and encrusted fecal matter, etc. can build up in it, and well, it can cause a whole lot of bad things to happen.Feb 28 02:35
DaemonFCFrom constipation, to bloating, gas, even a bowel impaction. Feb 28 02:35
DaemonFCYeah. The occasional enema is not a bad idea.Feb 28 02:35
DaemonFCOr an osmotic laxative.Feb 28 02:36
DaemonFCMiralax every once in a while can help keep things moving.Feb 28 02:36
DaemonFCBut, the biggest problem that most people seem to have is not remaining hydrated well enough.Feb 28 02:36
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DaemonFCA person my size should be drinking 3 liters of water every day.Feb 28 02:37
msbThe idea that stuff builds up on the inside of the colon is nonsense.  Unless you are severely dehydrated, the colon secretes mucus that keeps anything from sticking.Feb 28 02:37
DaemonFCThen what is that godawful sludge that an enema forces out?Feb 28 02:37
DaemonFCI've read conflicting reports about whether colonic irrigation is recommended or even safe.Feb 28 02:38
DaemonFCSome doctors seem to say yes, and other seem to say no.Feb 28 02:39
msbAnd if you eat enough fruits and vegetables, the fiber will retain enough water to keep the shit soft.Feb 28 02:40
msbIt's a scam and a racket.Feb 28 02:40
msbRemember that people with HIV secrete virus into their colon.Feb 28 02:41
msbSo those colonic dives are unsafe.Feb 28 02:42
abeNd-org1better to just eat healthy & excercise to begin with. stay healthy, a lot easier than trying to get healthy againFeb 28 02:43
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DaemonFCI've dated a few people who have that, but I do not have it.Feb 28 03:06
DaemonFC Budas Root says:Feb 28 03:10
DaemonFCIt's not a crime to dislike fundies. In fact, if I owned a bakery I'd refuse to make cakes for fundies no matter how much money they offered to pay me. Feb 28 03:10
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 28 03:10
DaemonFCI'd bake them a cake.Feb 28 03:10
DaemonFCIt would be like that movie "The Help" where the black lady made that mean woman the pie with her **** in it and then waited until she had eaten half of it and then said "Eat my ****!".Feb 28 03:10
DaemonFCWhat did you say?Feb 28 03:10
DaemonFC"I said EAT MY ****!" Feb 28 03:10
DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b675xQ1X20Feb 28 03:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Help - "Eat My Shit" - YouTubeFeb 28 03:11
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3699299Feb 28 07:43
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schestowitz__"looks very...chromeish"Feb 28 07:43
schestowitz__"looks very...chrome ish"Feb 28 07:43
schestowitz__http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/02/tories-campaign-against-scottish-independence-shock/Feb 28 07:48
schestowitz__"Standard Life also threatened to leave at the time of the devolution referendum and gave out no campaign materials to staff.  “Leave” of course is a relative concept – the above bunch just pop up from London from time to time to check on how the serfs are doing.'Feb 28 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Tories Campaign Against Scottish Independence (Shock) [ http://ur1.ca/gpup2 ]Feb 28 07:48
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MinceRgeekingsFeb 28 11:06
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3695848Feb 28 11:07
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schestowitz__"I hope you're right Roy. I hope you're right."Feb 28 11:07
schestowitz__MinceR: I've just made this http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/46608003.jpgFeb 28 11:12
MinceR:>Feb 28 11:16
Sosumimore issues with trashcan proFeb 28 11:19
Sosumihttp://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1711435Feb 28 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.macrumors.com | MacPro 2013 Random Restarts - MacRumors Forums [ http://ur1.ca/gpwec ]Feb 28 11:19
Sosumiapparently even crapple can't build their toys properly anymoreFeb 28 11:19
Sosumitheir kind of turning into the M$ of the hardware businessFeb 28 11:20
Sosumi*they'reFeb 28 11:20
MinceRthey were unable to for agesFeb 28 11:22
MinceR(see crApple III)Feb 28 11:22
MinceRand they've been the other m$ for a long time nowFeb 28 11:23
Sosumidon't go that farFeb 28 11:23
SosumiI wasn't around during that timeFeb 28 11:23
MinceRi wasn't around eitherFeb 28 11:25
Sosumibut from what I remember their g5 powermacs, later powerbooks were quite solidFeb 28 11:25
Sosumithe xserve was nice too, but prone to be bentFeb 28 11:25
MinceRin that they weren't liquid, gaseous or plasmaFeb 28 11:25
Sosumithe issue with the leaks was due to some defective rings on the pumps manufactured and assembled by delphiFeb 28 11:26
Sosumithe panasonic models didn't have that problemFeb 28 11:26
SosumiI have one of those, a quad g5, and is still working like champFeb 28 11:27
Sosumiand they didn't have these major crappings and issues left unfixed for months or yearsFeb 28 11:27
Sosumidamm I even remember when World of Warcraft ran faster on OSX than it did on XPFeb 28 11:28
Sosumiand the mac client having built in video captureFeb 28 11:28
Sosumiwhile the windows version didn'tFeb 28 11:28
MinceRyes, crApple always fails to choose their suppliers -- or adds pointless gimmicks that turn proven designs into dangerous failuresFeb 28 11:29
Sosumijust like HP? no nippon-chemi, rubicon nor fujitsu capacitors on their z820 workstationFeb 28 11:30
MinceRat least hp doesn't have their Mag"Safe"s :>Feb 28 11:31
Sosumialso the first time I saw the delphi brand was on a car radiatorFeb 28 11:32
Sosumiand they are okFeb 28 11:32
MinceRwhat brand of car?Feb 28 11:32
Sosumiit was even manufactured in poortugal and everythingFeb 28 11:32
MinceRlolFeb 28 11:32
Sosumia fordFeb 28 11:32
MinceRFound On Road DeadFeb 28 11:32
Sosumiford fiesta from 2002Feb 28 11:32
MinceRFix Or Replace DailyFeb 28 11:32
SosumiI thinkFeb 28 11:32
Sosumi^^Feb 28 11:32
Sosumiwhat about renault?Feb 28 11:33
MinceRafaik french cars are famous for being unreliableFeb 28 11:33
MinceRbut at least they also tend to be cheap :>Feb 28 11:33
Sosumi:)Feb 28 11:33
Sosumimy ranault 21 has been quite reliableFeb 28 11:33
Sosumias for the magsafes they ended up making the connector out of aluminum ir order to prevent meltingFeb 28 11:36
Sosumiwhich is kind of lolFeb 28 11:36
MinceRit's a pity aluminum is conductiveFeb 28 11:36
MinceRand also conducts heatFeb 28 11:36
SosumiI was going to say thatFeb 28 11:37
Sosumiwith the added joke of roasted mactardFeb 28 11:37
MinceR:>Feb 28 11:37
MinceRhttps://twitter.com/danbarker/status/439125570115223552Feb 28 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@danbarker: .@mattcutts I think I have spotted one, Matt. Note the similarities in the content text: http://t.co/uHux3rK57fFeb 28 12:51
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Sosumiyanukovich said west instigated the riotsFeb 28 13:58
Sosumithen why play chicken? say that in public tv and order a clamp down?Feb 28 13:59
Sosumisimple and cleanFeb 28 13:59
Sosumiínstead of fleeing to russia with his tail in between his legsFeb 28 13:59
Sosumihttps://twitter.com/joeman42/status/430783817075675136/photo/1Feb 28 14:02
Sosumigod's chosen peopleFeb 28 14:02
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Sosumiwhich also happen to be eastern europeansFeb 28 14:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@joeman42: Zionist Settlers taunt Palestinian lady after they evict her from her home. #BDS http://t.co/7EJRYkV2INFeb 28 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@joeman42: Zionist Settlers taunt Palestinian lady after they evict her from her home. #BDS http://t.co/7EJRYkV2INFeb 28 14:02
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/F0IuVwv.pngFeb 28 15:02
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/yUONX8k.jpgFeb 28 15:05
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Agnesihttps://twitter.com/Navsteva/status/439422702693011456/photo/1Feb 28 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Navsteva: Potty-mouthed Vicky Nuland gets her new government in #Ukraine http://t.co/QSFFi5RfKU http://t.co/gcPYLjfKenFeb 28 15:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Navsteva: Potty-mouthed Vicky Nuland gets her new government in #Ukraine http://t.co/QSFFi5RfKU http://t.co/gcPYLjfKenFeb 28 15:51
Agnesitoo bad the post is sponsored by Lyndon LaroucheFeb 28 15:51
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Sosumiand I can't believe itFeb 28 15:56
Sosumithat old fossil is still aliveFeb 28 15:56
Sosumiwith 90 somethings years oldFeb 28 15:57
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/dJF9sPYFeb 28 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Hands down the best stencil art I've seen out here in Afghanistan - ImgurFeb 28 19:56
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Sosumihttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57619685-92/ibm-laying-off-up-to-25-percent-of-hardware-division/Feb 28 21:53
SosumiIBM gutting itself upFeb 28 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.cnet.com | IBM laying off up to 25 percent of 'hardware' division | Business Tech - CNET News [ http://ur1.ca/gq1zg ]Feb 28 21:53
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Agnesiand freenode seems to be unstableFeb 28 21:54
Agnesialso situation in ukraine worse nowFeb 28 21:54
Agnesias things goFeb 28 21:54
Agnesicrimea is to separate from ukraineFeb 28 21:54
MinceRwill it be annexed by russia?Feb 28 21:55
Agnesiwith pro russian militias taking over borders, parliament and at least a tv stationFeb 28 21:55
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sebsebseb_jono: ping.  I would like to get some Ubuntu stuff if possible for an event on 15th March.  I had contacted people before, but no good.  mmhallsuggested filling in a form,  looking at that now, it seems to be for an amount of  money etc.  apparnatly it woul go directy to you as wellFeb 28 23:41
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DaemonFChttp://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-us-ukraine-20140301,0,3629725,full.storyMar 01 03:37
DaemonFCIt looks like Russia is beginning their invasion of Ukraine.Mar 01 03:37
DaemonFCI'm pissed that ebay stopped people from selling coupons.Mar 01 04:44
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3703004Mar 01 07:26
schestowitz__"I would be a lot happier if people were building out their own networks and peering with each other in addition to yelling loudly at the government overlords. Which, by the way, usually get into office with the money of the very people who are causing problem we want fixed."Mar 01 07:26
schestowitz__DaemonFC: sounds to me like Western propagandaMar 01 07:27
schestowitz__I heard it on the radio here this morningMar 01 07:27
schestowitz__Remember the Western role played in the coupMar 01 07:27
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3700197Mar 01 07:35
schestowitz__"In other words, they are doing nothing to fix the concerns of the people, doing everything they can to increase the serveilance of those very people, all the while telling everybody that they are fixing things."Mar 01 07:35
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3700179Mar 01 07:37
schestowitz__"Face to face, with no electronics nearby that can be hacked and turned into microphones..."Mar 01 07:37
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3705121Mar 01 07:37
schestowitz__"Roling on the floor laughing !"Mar 01 07:37
schestowitz__http://rt.com/news/un-ukraine-russia-agreements-278/Mar 01 07:45
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msbschestowitz__: Right, Roy, the U.S. invaded Ukraine using hordes of armed masked nazis as proxies, and now Obomber is telling Russia to keep out of it.Mar 01 07:50
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DaemonFCShit.Mar 01 08:16
DaemonFCA snow storm with 6-10 inches of snow possible will occur this evening.Mar 01 08:16
DaemonFCThis is basically unheard of.Mar 01 08:17
DaemonFCI've never seen this happen in March. Ever.Mar 01 08:17
DaemonFCHell, just two years ago, it we over 80 degrees for nearly two weeks in the middle of March.Mar 01 08:17
DaemonFCI guess I had better go grocery shopping.Mar 01 08:18
DaemonFCSamsung has announced the Galaxy S5, apparently.Mar 01 08:19
DaemonFCThe specs are not that much better than my LG G2.Mar 01 08:19
DaemonFCThe LG G2 has a Snapdragon 800 and 2 GB of RAM. The G5 has a Snapdragon 801 and 2 GB of RAM. Mar 01 08:19
DaemonFCI believe that Samsung is known for piling on custom crap that slows down their phones though.Mar 01 08:20
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DaemonFCI'd better get to ALDI when they open.Mar 01 09:48
DaemonFCPeople go apeshit when a snowstorm is approaching.Mar 01 09:49
DaemonFCThey'll probably be out of everything if I don't get there soon.Mar 01 09:49
DaemonFCI'm out of almost everything. I've been choking down stuff that I bought and threw in the freezer months ago without thinking about for nearly a week now, just so I could get rid of it without wasting money.Mar 01 09:55
DaemonFCThe good news is that most of it is gone now and won't be wasted, but the bad news is that I'm really craving some good food right now. :)Mar 01 09:56
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx3NLMLDXFC3YAR&newContentID=Mx3PNZBCI38A89Q#Mx3PNZBCI38A89QMar 01 10:27
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Mar 01 10:27
DaemonFChttp://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/02/could-wal-mart-be-the-next-giant-failure-in-retail.aspxMar 01 10:27
DaemonFCA few days after CNBC reported on Walmart's negative year over year same store sales comp, and suggested that they should start shutting down stores, starting with the 100 least profitable, The Motley Fool writes an article expressing similar pessimism about Walmart's future in retail, musing that it's possible to see Walmart in bankruptcy protection within several years if these trends continue.Mar 01 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Could Wal-Mart Be the Next Giant Failure in Retail? (WMT) [ http://ur1.ca/gq67o ]Mar 01 10:27
DaemonFChttp://www.rantlifestyle.com/2014/02/20/business-plan-wal-mart-revealed/Mar 01 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rantlifestyle.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/gq67p ]Mar 01 10:27
DaemonFCMeanwhile, another article notes that the stores are understocked, filthy, and staffed by employees who are unmotivated. The lack of motivation is understandable. Minimum wage part time jobs with no job security or benefits package tends to cause that attitude.Mar 01 10:27
DaemonFChttp://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/09/24/2669191/walmart-adds-fulltime-workers/Mar 01 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thinkprogress.org | After Sales Plummet, Walmart Realizes It Can't Run Stores On Temps Alone [ http://ur1.ca/gq67q ]Mar 01 10:27
DaemonFCFor the past couple of years, an unprecedented number of Walmart workers are temps, who have low pay and no benefits, and don't even know if they'll have a job in three months. The figure is up to 20% of a store's employees. These people are forced to re-interview for their job every 90 days. Mar 01 10:27
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DaemonFCI got a roast kit while I was at ALDI.Mar 01 16:28
DaemonFCI think I'll make that for dinner.Mar 01 16:28
Sosumiin soviet russia, roasting kit as you for diner at the ALDI storeMar 01 16:30
Sosumi:)Mar 01 16:30
DaemonFCThe local KMart is going out of business.Mar 01 16:31
DaemonFCThat's sad. Now it's just down to Walmart and Big Lots.Mar 01 16:31
Sosumino small stores around?Mar 01 16:31
Sosumiother than those big retailersMar 01 16:31
DaemonFCnot reallyMar 01 16:32
SosumisadMar 01 16:32
schestowitz__aldi is good, but I started exploring alternativesMar 01 16:48
schestowitz__the range in aldi is limitedMar 01 16:48
Sosumido you guys have lidl stores there in theUS?Mar 01 16:49
DaemonFCnoMar 01 16:49
Sosumithey're quite complete and often sell national produceMar 01 16:49
Sosumi:(Mar 01 16:49
DaemonFCI don't even really look at the prices at aldi. I just know I'll get a good deal.Mar 01 16:50
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3706253Mar 01 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Steam Family 'Sharing' of #DRM now open to public http://www.muktware.com/2014/03/steam-family-sharing-now-open-public/21950 sharing the unshare-able. #steam #gnu #linuxMar 01 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com | Steam Family Sharing now open to public | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/gq8f3 ]Mar 01 16:51
schestowitz__"Good, my sons will be ready soon to takeover my collection!"Mar 01 16:51
schestowitz__Until Valve decided to take it awayMar 01 16:51
schestowitz__*decidesMar 01 16:51
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3706229Mar 01 16:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #RFID race (implants in people) was made obsolete by social and professional inertia that pressured people into carrying tracking gearMar 01 16:52
schestowitz__"In the US is was made obsolete by states telling the feds to fuck off lol..."\Mar 01 16:52
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3706211Mar 01 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | No way to disable...Mar 01 16:53
schestowitz__"I think Replicant would have helped more than tin foil ;)"Mar 01 16:53
schestowitz__Replicant still contacts the towersMar 01 16:54
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3706137Mar 01 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | It was not a "rot...Mar 01 16:54
schestowitz__"and when he resisted blackmail and continued to be effective, he was assassinated. Murder is in the toolbox."Mar 01 16:54
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3706043Mar 01 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Everyone should a...Mar 01 16:55
schestowitz__"Hope iit becomes hot and catches on!"Mar 01 16:55
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3706017Mar 01 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | A lot of business...Mar 01 16:55
schestowitz__"We've been making a list!!"Mar 01 16:55
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3706067Mar 01 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Wakeup call for C...Mar 01 16:55
schestowitz__""We can trust the NSA because without a doubt it is history's most powerful, pervasive, sophisticated surveillance agency ever to be totally pwned by a 29-year-old with a thumb drive," I would much rather he had gone to Trustycon, but you have to admit, that's pithy."Mar 01 16:55
schestowitz__Trustycon is funded by PRISM members like Microsoft.Mar 01 16:56
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3706211Mar 01 17:01
schestowitz__"Yeah I was just joking lol..."Mar 01 17:01
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msbhttp://rt.com/op-edge/us-usa-staged-ukraine-coup-570/Mar 01 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rt.com | ‘US, EU staged classic regime change in Ukraine’ — RT Op-Edge [ http://ur1.ca/gq8wm ]Mar 01 18:48
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gde33I've been toying with all sorts of ideas for a rich peoples internet. All the fun [read paid] services that become possible all of a sudden. lolMar 01 21:59
gde33I think we should look at it like football channel, a nice method to contain the phenomenonMar 01 22:00
gde33thanks to football channel they dont have to put football on all of the other channelsMar 01 22:00
MinceRunfortunately, this doesn't work with countriesMar 01 22:00
MinceReveryone's got to get authoritarianismMar 01 22:01
gde33a good advertisement program would primarly target the rich peoples internetMar 01 22:01
gde33we could move all that stuff overthere :DMar 01 22:01
gde33hahahaMar 01 22:01
gde33all of our liars and all of our swindlersMar 01 22:01
gde33imagine the joy?Mar 01 22:02
gde33I had annother ideaMar 01 22:04
gde33a web search that requires buying hardware to get accessMar 01 22:05
MinceR...per queryMar 01 22:05
gde33like a virtual private network with network attached storage at every nodeMar 01 22:05
gde33then one would have to pay to get indexedMar 01 22:05
gde33no crawler nonsense, full text searchMar 01 22:06
gde33you buy 1 node, make sure it stays active, then have access to the databaseMar 01 22:06
gde33like a seedbox routerMar 01 22:07
gde33I suppose the user account could be credited for each query routedMar 01 22:11
gde33bars of latinumMar 01 22:23
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DaemonFC http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/02/ukrainians-are-having-delightful-day-abandoned-presidential-palace/358393/Feb 23 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thewire.com | Ukrainians Are Having a Delightful Day at the Abandoned Presidential Palace - The Wire [ http://ur1.ca/goi9g ]Feb 23 01:15
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DaemonFC St. Leigh of the Captchas says:Feb 23 05:11
DaemonFCI like the parliamentary system. My favorite to watch is Taiwan's. They throw chairs at each other! Between fistfights!Feb 23 05:11
DaemonFCThey settle down and vote, though, and they seem reasonably well governed. Feb 23 05:11
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 05:11
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DaemonFCHmmm..... Steve Ballmer was elected to the Parliament of Taiwan?Feb 23 05:12
DaemonFCI thought that "****ing kill Google" was pretty ambitious. He left his job as CEO with only a few percent of the search and smartphone market, both operating at a loss. Feb 23 05:12
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Sosumihttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhGqKgZCEAAcFie.jpg:largeFeb 23 10:16
Sosumihttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2014/022014-microsoft-lync-nsa-278925.html?hpg1=bnFeb 23 10:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Microsoft Lync gathers data just like NSA vacuums up info in its domestic surveillance program - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/gokj0 ]Feb 23 10:17
-14WAB7WGZ/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Microsoft Lync gathers data just like NSA vacuums up info in its domestic surveillance program - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/gokj0 ]Feb 23 10:17
Sosumiis it just Lync? or all the outbound and inbound traffic is loggedFeb 23 10:18
Sosumiso if you were watching facebook at your workplaceFeb 23 10:19
Sosumidon'tFeb 23 10:19
Sosumiand Yanukovych just got sackedFeb 23 10:21
SosumiTymoshenko, the EU lapdog, has been freed and a while a go was incentivating further protestsFeb 23 10:22
Sosumiright wing extremists were securing the parliamentFeb 23 10:22
Sosumiwill they also set fire to it?Feb 23 10:23
schestowitzahFeb 23 10:31
schestowitzah, I think you forget the story of GermanyFeb 23 10:32
schestowitznot many analogies hereFeb 23 10:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: first issue of LInux Voice ready for download, but my name won't be in itFeb 23 10:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: since didn't get sent off in timeFeb 23 10:32
schestowitzcan do next timeFeb 23 10:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: they wil put something in the second issue it seems thoughFeb 23 10:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: apparnatly it's got some good Mageia 4 reiew to, but I haen't looked yetFeb 23 10:33
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3678306Feb 23 10:33
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schestowitz"Just like old Shareware/Freeware days, anybody remember Kroz, Commander Keen, independent publishers and developers rule"Feb 23 10:34
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sebsebsebhi neildarlowFeb 23 10:42
neildarlowsebsebseb: Hi there!Feb 23 10:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Reason Some Games Are Delayed For Linux InFeb 23 10:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Humble Indie Bundles http://t.co/sUYiFAjDFDFeb 23 10:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 3.13.4 Brings ARM64 (AArch64)Feb 23 10:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Improvements http://t.co/V1Aysyl4OwFeb 23 10:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Reason Some Games Are Delayed For Linux In Humble Indie Bundles | Tux MachinesFeb 23 10:44
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msb__I remember the Apogee game Commander Keen and more advanced ones.  Two-dimensional and ran well under PC-DOS on a '386 and lower.  I have software that runs them under Linux.  I love those games!Feb 23 11:37
msb__They were usually in 3 episodes, the first free, and #2 and 3 you paid for.Feb 23 11:38
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amarsh04I played commander keen on a 286 machine running ms-dosFeb 23 11:42
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msb__Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure, Crystal Caves, Secret Agent, Bio Menace.  The good ones had small enough characters and a big enough scene that you could see what enemies were coming, rather than just get surprised by it and have to shoot fast.  But you have to use some reasoning and skill to overcome the enemies.Feb 23 11:50
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msb__They were quite intelligently designed.Feb 23 11:51
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msb__They're all listed here:  http://www.g4tv.com/games/publishers/apogee/456/Feb 23 11:55
msb__Yo, bot!Feb 23 11:55
msb__!botFeb 23 11:55
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schestowitz__bad month for freenodeFeb 23 11:59
schestowitz__ never been this unreliableFeb 23 11:59
schestowitz__Has that disgusting agent gone away yet?Feb 23 11:59
schestowitz__http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5Feb 23 11:59
schestowitz__(The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.))Feb 23 11:59
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/GreenGeekOrg/status/437556941725118464Feb 23 12:00
schestowitz__"@schestowitz great! we've worked converting some small businesses. 100+ is a good number. We'd default to MINT or Xubuntu LTS. 14.04?"Feb 23 12:00
schestowitz__Whatever suits existing hardwareFeb 23 12:01
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SosumiI also remember a lot of stuffFeb 23 13:41
Sosumibut never stupider times like theseFeb 23 13:41
Sosumiback in 2004, when I actually got the computer bugFeb 23 13:42
Sosumithings were a lot calmerFeb 23 13:42
Sosumiand I mean it in a general perspectiveFeb 23 13:42
Sosuminot just constant attempts on free softwareFeb 23 13:43
Sosumi*theFeb 23 13:43
Sosumiand we were still 4 years away from the late 2008 depressionFeb 23 13:43
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/VANDR14/status/437496427627819008/photo/1Feb 23 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VANDR14: Вот например, сносят памятник ВОВ во Львове. http://t.co/TlLXc7vsjRFeb 23 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VANDR14: Вот например, сносят памятник ВОВ во Львове. http://t.co/TlLXc7vsjRFeb 23 14:51
Sosumiafter toppling Lenin's monumentFeb 23 14:52
Sosuminow monuments to red army heroes that died fighting nazi germany also being toppledFeb 23 14:53
Sosumialso, Timoshenko to meet with Merkel soonFeb 23 14:54
SosumiMerkel = the cadaverous golem of europeFeb 23 14:55
Sosumialso, Camoron, "it is not russia's duty to militarily intervene in ukraine"Feb 23 14:57
Sosumiso polish intervention under covert nato guise?Feb 23 14:57
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MinceRi'm all for toppling commie monumentsFeb 23 15:37
MinceRbut of course they're too communazi to do that in hungaristanFeb 23 15:37
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SosumiI remember Sarkozi in franceFeb 23 17:02
Sosumitrying to erase from history books everything related to the napolionic incursionsFeb 23 17:02
Sosumiall in order to try to bury some shady european historyFeb 23 17:04
Sosumiin order to promote further european integrationFeb 23 17:04
Sosumiand we all knowFeb 23 17:04
Sosumithose who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat the same mistakesFeb 23 17:05
Sosumiand the same can be said about any kind of monumentsFeb 23 17:05
Sosumilet them stay there as marker of a long past time that should never be forgottenFeb 23 17:05
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MinceRthe reminders are not so good if they proclaim that occupants were "liberators"Feb 23 17:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung's Tizen on Gear plan makes senseFeb 23 17:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Web Usage Almost Doubled, Now At ~2%?Feb 23 17:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google's Tim Bray steps down in the name ofFeb 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines                 working remotely http://t.co/eBCW04wpttFeb 23 17:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The NVIDIA GTX 750 Ti Maxwell Continues RunningFeb 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Great On Linux http://t.co/lN3vvjVOMcFeb 23 17:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung's Tizen on Gear plan makes sense | Tux MachinesFeb 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Amazon's Android set-top box reportedly set forFeb 23 17:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Web Usage Almost Doubled, Now At ~2%? | Tux MachinesFeb 23 17:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The NVIDIA GTX 750 Ti Maxwell Continues Running Great On Linux | Tux MachinesFeb 23 17:53
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schestowitz__GeekingsFeb 23 19:01
schestowitz__Is freenode finally stable again?Feb 23 19:01
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DaemonFCI posted a rant about Apple devices.Feb 23 19:19
DaemonFCI thought Microsoft Windows was bad until I saw ports of Apple software running on it. Where to begin?Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCIt's fat, it's slow, it's full of bugs. It installs system level services and unrelated software that the user did not request. Just having it installed has broken Windows and left it unable to boot on several occasions....Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCYou're making a really big goddamned mistake if you buy an iPod or an iPhone and use Windows or GNU/Linux. Using it on Windows is a real pain because you need Apple's gargantuan buggy pile of ****ware.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCOn GNU/Linux, it's not *as* bad. We have a thin library that has a reverse engineered implementation of Apple's file transport protocol. It doesn't require any particular software. Amarok, Rhythmbox, and Banshee are all known to work well with libimobiledevice.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCThe problem is that every time we RE Apple's transport protocol, Apple changes it and we have to do it all over again, so you really have to check the libimobiledevice list of supported devices.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCEven if it *does* work, you're still using an expensive iThing that does not work as well as competing products. I was astounded that anyone would pay $300 for an MP3 player.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCApple's MP3 players were not the first. And they weren't even the best when they hit the market. They just cost more than everyone else's. That's a theme with Apple devices. They're a status symbol. They occasionally make something for their poorer cultists, like the Mac Mini or the iPod Shuffle.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCI looked and saw that their latest Mac Mini does not support DVI, so I'd have to buy a DVI to HDMI cable to continue using my monitor with it. And then, it does not support "High Definition Content Protection" digital handcuffs, so Mac OS would refuse to play Blu Rays at 1920 x 1080, like I can do over DVI-D with GNU/Linux because I worked around that problem. Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCThere's a simple two step process for using the LG G2 or Google Nexus 5 with Windows or GNU/Linux.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCPlug it into the USB port and open your file manager or media player.Feb 23 19:20
DaemonFCOh my god! It's like it's from the ****ing future! Shut up and take my money! Feb 23 19:20
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 19:46
DaemonFCI posted the following comment on Mike Pence's Facebook wall, in response to a comment in favor of marijuana legalization.Feb 23 19:46
DaemonFC"Colorado says that their tax receipts for recreational marijuana were expected to be $93 million a year, and they're on track to exceed that by a significant margin. If Governor Pence and the General Assembly used Colarado law as a model, then between 2014-2020, $700 million+ (or 25%) of the I-69 expansion would be paid for and then the state could use the tax receipts to cover its 10% share of the Medicaid expansion after 2020 with money left Feb 23 19:46
DaemonFCover for other priorities, perhaps including an income tax reduction. It's stupid that cancer sticks and alcohol are legal and have never done a positive thing for anyone, yet nobody is seriously arguing for us to ban adults from choosing to use them, yet Indiana Republicans including Pence have made it possible to get a longer prison sentence for having one ounce of pot than for ****ing murdering someone. Replace Governor and strike any key!" Feb 23 19:46
msb__Cannabis can wake people up so they no longer believe and aren't controlled by the lies from the government and corporate media.  That's why there were so many protests that they forced the Vietnam War to end.  This was well-known at the time, published in the "underground newspapers" -- Berkeley Barb, etc.  I was alive and active at that time.  The government and corporate fascist thugs were shocked that the people forced one of their Feb 23 19:59
msb__wars to end.  That's why they made the punishments for cannabis greater than for murder.Feb 23 19:59
msb__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T4pBysFk84Feb 23 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Jefferson Airplane - Mexico - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/goo7n ]Feb 23 20:05
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 20:07
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06XTYfChShMFeb 23 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Rochard - automatische kaput - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/goo7x ]Feb 23 20:07
DaemonFCThe computer was from Apple. ;) Feb 23 20:07
msb__That entire song -- Mexico -- is about cannabis.  "There were a half a million people on the lawn, and we song to their faces in the dawn." -- WoodstockFeb 23 20:10
msb__song --> sangFeb 23 20:10
msb__That entire song -- Mexico -- is about cannabis.  "There were a half a million people on the lawn, and we sang to their faces in the dawn." -- WoodstockFeb 23 20:16
msb__It was a revolution, a Renaissance.  Jefferson Airplane were among the main leaders of it.  We need that same spirit today!Feb 23 20:18
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 20:20
DaemonFCIn fact, it looks like they removed all download links and most references to any version of Safari for Windows. Feb 23 20:20
msb__Bush and Obama are today's Nixons.  The War of Terror -- the US invading and murdering millions of people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria -- is today's Vietnam War.Feb 23 20:20
DaemonFC Laz says:Feb 23 20:20
DaemonFCApple.com. I'm looking at it right now, in the support area, but never mind, you'll have to set up an account to access the support area. With all you paranoia, something you'll never do, and can't do from any Linux install. You need the account to set up Quicktime and the auto-updates, Safari won't work without it. No Quicktime for Linux. Feb 23 20:20
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 20:20
DaemonFCI'll send you $20 over Paypal if you can prove to me that there is a Safari 7.1 for Windows and give me a link to the executable. Feb 23 20:20
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mplayer#Media_formats  Mplayer, which runs on all three platforms, plays MOV (QuickTime) format.Feb 23 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MPlayer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gooc9 ]Feb 23 20:26
msb__DaemonFC: Is there anything we need Safari for?Feb 23 20:30
msb__DaemonFC: Is there anything we need Quicktime for?Feb 23 20:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     When it comes to cloud and scale out, UbuntuFeb 23 20:34
TweetTuxMachines                 has the winning model http://t.co/AbbUlvS42WFeb 23 20:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/goodcFeb 23 20:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FLOSS Office Suites http://t.co/c0TX03CmlsFeb 23 20:34
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung drops Android for Tizen in new Gear 2Feb 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines                 smartwatches http://t.co/M125AB8NMXFeb 23 20:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android 4.5 to arrive on Nexus 8 in JulyFeb 23 20:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ars walkthrough: Using the ZFS next-genFeb 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines                 filesystem on Linux http://t.co/mRG1Qz1ra7Feb 23 20:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | When it comes to cloud and scale out, Ubuntu has the winning model | Tux MachinesFeb 23 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FLOSS Office Suites | Tux MachinesFeb 23 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung drops Android for Tizen in new Gear 2 smartwatches | Tux MachinesFeb 23 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android 4.5 to arrive on Nexus 8 in July | Tux MachinesFeb 23 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ars walkthrough: Using the ZFS next-gen filesystem on Linux | Tux MachinesFeb 23 20:36
msb__DaemonFC: I just played three .mov videos with mplayer -- picture and sound fine.Feb 23 20:39
SosumiMD Players sound quality > allFeb 23 21:02
Sosumiat the timeFeb 23 21:02
Sosumibut comparing the ipods with the creative jukeboxes and so onFeb 23 21:03
Sosumithe ipods were betterFeb 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/CM6G1ge85AFeb 23 21:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/wvuu8rMilcFeb 23 21:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Several Great Linux Terminal GamesFeb 23 21:14
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/dt1953LTUKFeb 23 21:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     QBEH-1: The Atlas Cube Atmospheric First PersonFeb 23 21:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Puzzle Game Releasing In April For LinuxFeb 23 21:14
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Ju8SxnaADHFeb 23 21:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 3.13 Finally Arrives on ArchFeb 23 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesFeb 23 21:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux, with a Warning http://t.co/oF4I6I4bo0Feb 23 21:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesFeb 23 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Several Great Linux Terminal Games | Tux MachinesFeb 23 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | QBEH-1: The Atlas Cube Atmospheric First Person Puzzle Game Releasing In April For Linux | Tux MachinesFeb 23 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.13 Finally Arrives on Arch Linux, with a Warning | Tux MachinesFeb 23 21:15
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 23 21:23
DaemonFCIn fact, the county was hurting for money so bad that they canceled their agreement to subsidize Walmart, and started sending Walmart a tax bill. They taxed Walmart for $460,000 last year. I got a kick out of that.Feb 23 21:23
DaemonFCWalmart went from paying nothing to being the top taxpayer in the county within one year. Feb 23 21:23
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3678683Feb 23 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | When writers reli...Feb 23 21:39
schestowitz__"|Big publishers entered the memory hole era a decade ago. This is why it is important to be able to share. We won't have libraries with the evil copyright laws publishers force on us. US News now has all the validity and weight of toilet paper.|Feb 23 21:39
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3679189Feb 23 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Google used to re...Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__"Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__I think the deal was that you were supposed to spend 20% of your time on some personal project. An inexpensive book scanner, I think, is an example of such a project.Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__Scroogle is scaring people away but I don't know if there has been any real internal cultural change. Certainly, they have sucked in a lot of people and there are infiltrators. That they can tolerate Microsoft people in management is a bad sign.Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__If any company could pull off a remote campus, it should be Google. There is something special about a university type setting where people bump into each other and are constantly challenged and exposed to new ideas. Perhaps they should have offered Bray a sabbatical instead of an ultimatum.Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__"Feb 23 21:40
schestowitz__Maybe he can join a company like Jolla nowFeb 23 21:40
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3679110Feb 23 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | The worst thing o...Feb 23 21:41
schestowitz__"Now an official part of the effort to restore trust in the usual bad actors?"Feb 23 21:41
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3679141Feb 23 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Linux Web Usage A...Feb 23 21:41
schestowitz__"The eternal 2% lie wont' go away till Microsoft is dead."Feb 23 21:41
schestowitz__a quarter of computers sold with a form of Linux, so their stats (US only) lack integrityFeb 23 21:41
schestowitz__> ==Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__> Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__> "Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Traffic Jam"Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304834704579401071892041790Feb 23 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-online.wsj.com | Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Web Traffic Jam - WSJ.com [ http://ur1.ca/gooti ]Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__> Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__> So it escalates.  Net Neutrality not even mentioned in the article.Feb 23 21:52
schestowitz__WSJ hates  Net Neutrality. Murdoch would benefit from slowing down competition.Feb 23 21:52
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DaemonFCMenards has Shell 5w30 on sale for $1.99 a quart.Feb 23 23:43
DaemonFCI might go stock up...Feb 23 23:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PC-BSD 10.0 vs. PC-BSD 9.2 vs. Ubuntu 13.10Feb 24 01:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Benchmarks http://t.co/5Oyz5l9K4gFeb 24 01:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PC-BSD 10.0 vs. PC-BSD 9.2 vs. Ubuntu 13.10 Benchmarks | Tux MachinesFeb 24 01:54
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=TxM00TCYYML18VFeb 24 02:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Netflix has agreed to pay Comcast to stop throttling their traffic. [ http://ur1.ca/goq23 ]Feb 24 02:24
DaemonFChttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/business/media/comcast-and-netflix-reach-a-streaming-agreement.html?hpw&rref=business&_r=0Feb 24 02:24
DaemonFCNetflix has paid Comcast to quit bullying them.Feb 24 02:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/goq24 ]Feb 24 02:24
DaemonFCOne wonders who Comcast will bully next. Now that they know it works and that they can get away with extortion.Feb 24 02:24
DaemonFCComcast subscribers, who pay $70-80 a month should not get degraded service and bandwidth caps. Feb 24 02:24
DaemonFC"a person close to the companies said it involved annual payments of several million dollars"Feb 24 02:24
DaemonFCThe extortion might get bigger when the deal expires.Feb 24 02:24
DaemonFCNetflix will not absorb this. They will raise their service prices by several dollars per subscriber, and make their subscribers pay it. Feb 24 02:24
DaemonFCSprint plans to roll out the Android 4.4 update soon.Feb 24 03:14
DaemonFCto the LG G2...Feb 24 03:14
DaemonFCThey're going to roll out the 4.4.2 releaseFeb 24 03:15
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DaemonFChttp://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/Suspect-Leads-Police-On-Pursuit-Before-Capture-246791541.htmlFeb 24 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indianasnewscenter.com | Suspect Leads Police On Pursuit Before Capture (VIDEO) | Indiana's NewsCenter: News, Sports, Weather, Fort Wayne WPTA-TV, WISE-TV, and CW | Local [ http://ur1.ca/gorcb ]Feb 24 06:49
DaemonFC"Fort Wayne police identified the suspect as Henry Purifoy III, 23, of Fort Wayne."Feb 24 06:49
DaemonFCWhenever someone's name ends with "III", you know they're a trailer park meth head.Feb 24 06:50
MinceRlike bill gates? :>Feb 24 06:53
DaemonFCwell...Feb 24 06:55
DaemonFCIn Indiana, at least.Feb 24 06:55
DaemonFCThe most Republican part of the state is Wakarusa.Feb 24 06:55
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3678229Feb 24 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Google Search is ...Feb 24 06:56
schestowitz__"If it's the same with a different ISP, I suppose that it's Google. Is anyone else reporting this yet?"Feb 24 06:56
DaemonFCIn the Potawatomi language, it means "knee deep in mud".Feb 24 06:56
DaemonFCOf course, anyone that lives in Indiana right now is neck deep in shit, and I don't know the Potawatomi word for that.Feb 24 06:57
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MinceR:>Feb 24 07:00
DaemonFCI'm reading another story about the diseased animal parts that are unfit for human consumption in Hot Pockets while eating Hot Pockets.Feb 24 07:01
DaemonFCIt's OK because they're not the philly cheese steak ones that are made with ground internal organs.Feb 24 07:01
DaemonFCThese claim they are a "cuban sandwich" with ham, swiss cheese, pickles, and mustard.Feb 24 07:02
DaemonFCOf course, who knows what it really is?Feb 24 07:02
DaemonFCProbably ground internal organs from diseased animals with a bunch of chemicals.Feb 24 07:02
DaemonFCBut it was only $1.49, so I can die with a little bit of money.Feb 24 07:03
DaemonFChttp://thinkprogress.org/home/2014/02/23/3321131/iphone-security-flaw/Feb 24 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thinkprogress.org | Latest iPhone Update Fixes Major Security Flaw That Apple Kept Quiet | ThinkProgress [ http://ur1.ca/gori6 ]Feb 24 07:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 3.14-rc4 http://t.co/dqP5zxsQACFeb 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gormgFeb 24 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 3.14-rc4 | Tux MachinesFeb 24 07:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu’s Booth at MWC 2014 Looks SpectacularFeb 24 08:20
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/BEJeJCtbdoFeb 24 08:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu’s Booth at MWC 2014 Looks Spectacular | Tux MachinesFeb 24 08:20
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/22/bill-maher-overcoming-masturbation_n_4838140.htmlFeb 24 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com | Bill Maher Reads The Most Ineffective Anti-Masturbation Pamphlet Ever [ http://ur1.ca/gos7y ]Feb 24 09:23
DaemonFCThe Microsoft Media shells out big bucks slandering Android by claiming it is unforkable, then Microsoft collaborator Nokia forks Android to serve Microsoft.Feb 24 09:39
DaemonFChttp://gizmodo.com/nokia-x-the-first-nokia-android-1529525060Feb 24 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Nokia X: The First Nokia Androids [ http://ur1.ca/gosah ]Feb 24 09:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Meld 3.11.0 Has Been Ported to GTK+ 3Feb 24 09:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/vVsXNX0tJWFeb 24 09:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gosb0Feb 24 09:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Opening Up CommunicationsFeb 24 09:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/g0d18eyUbGFeb 24 09:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/gosb1Feb 24 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meld 3.11.0 Has Been Ported to GTK+ 3 | Tux MachinesFeb 24 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Opening Up Communications | Tux MachinesFeb 24 09:43
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 24 09:49
DaemonFChttps://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/02/06Feb 24 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | As TPP Opposition Soars, Corporate Media Blackout Deafening | Common Dreams [ http://ur1.ca/gosc7 ]Feb 24 09:49
DaemonFCThere's a blackout on the Trans Pacific Partnership. Fox News and CNN mentioned it ZERO times. MSNBC mentioned it the Ed Show several times, but even he really softballed it.Feb 24 09:49
DaemonFCYou'd expect more news coverage of a treaty between countries that control more than 40% of the Gross World Product.Feb 24 09:49
DaemonFCIt's shameful that we have to go to the internet to read reports about the leaked draft, and how it will murder people with drug patents and kill the software freedom movement.Feb 24 09:49
DaemonFCEven Congress is having a hard time reviewing the drafts. It's easier for them to read the internet leaks than to get Obama's US Trade Representative to cooperate. Feb 24 09:49
msb__DaemonFC: How will the TPP kill the software freedom movement?  Not saying it won't, I'm just ignorant on it.Feb 24 10:43
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCThe enforcement of the 300 GB cap has been "temporarily suspended" for over two years now.Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCDownload away!Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCOf course, I have heard of them "contacting" people about "excessive" usage if they go past 700 GB.Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCOne dude got a phone call from Comcast because they thought his computer might be a spam-spewing Windows zombie.Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCPeople who use Windows and don't make sure it is free of spam-spewing malware deserve to open up a $500 cable bill. ****ers.Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCThat'll teach 'em. Feb 24 10:58
DaemonFCIt will require every member state, including the US, to make patent violations a criminal offense.Feb 24 10:59
DaemonFCIncluding software patents.Feb 24 10:59
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Sosumihttp://www.macrumors.com/2014/02/23/apple-fixing-ssl-bug-other-apps-affected/Feb 24 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Planning Fix for OS X SSL Bug as New Research Reveals iMessage, Other Apps Affected - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/gosyh ]Feb 24 11:46
Sosumi"planning"Feb 24 11:46
Sosumijust like they planned to fix that other itunes bugFeb 24 11:46
Sosumiit took them what? 2 years and a halfFeb 24 11:47
Sosumihow long did it that them to fix the turbo issue with itunes back in 2009?Feb 24 11:47
Sosumiafter they acknowledged the problem (which at first they didn't)Feb 24 11:48
Sosumi6 monthsFeb 24 11:48
Sosumicrapple, lolFeb 24 11:48
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/petrillic/status/437942007978541058Feb 24 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@petrillic: @schestowitz @glynmoody my understanding is they're paying to host their servers closer. This has nothing to do with NN. Akamai does it.Feb 24 13:52
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/437943046156476417Feb 24 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @petrillic @schestowitz I've not seen it explained thus; details matter here...Feb 24 13:53
DaemonFChttp://androidandme.com/2014/02/news/nokia-x-family-introduced-as-trio-of-android-based-smartphones/Feb 24 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-androidandme.com | Nokia X family introduced as trio of Android-based smartphones | Android and Me [ http://ur1.ca/goto4 ]Feb 24 13:53
schestowitz_bed2http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/23/comcasts-deal-with-netflix-makes-network-neutrality-obsolete/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/23/comcasts-deal-with-netflix-makes-network-neutrality-obsolete/Feb 24 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Comcast’s deal with Netflix makes network neutrality obsolete [ http://ur1.ca/goto6 ]Feb 24 13:54
DaemonFCMicrosoft AndroidFeb 24 13:54
schestowitz_bed2mehFeb 24 13:54
schestowitz_bed2I quoted you todayFeb 24 13:54
schestowitz_bed2See my post about it this morningFeb 24 13:54
schestowitz_bed2http://news.techeye.net/business/netflix-caves-into-comcast-on-throttlingFeb 24 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.techeye.net | Netflix caves into Comcast on throttling - End of US net-neutrality | TechEye [ http://ur1.ca/gotod ]Feb 24 13:55
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/conversations?conversation_id=43229Feb 24 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Diaspora* / Sign in [ http://ur1.ca/4c80w ]Feb 24 13:55
schestowitz_bed2"oh - sorry I thought you speak german - - anyway nice posts - I try to read all ---- hahaha ---- thank you for being part of this dispora :-)"Feb 24 13:55
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msb__DaemonFC: How will the TPP kill the software freedom movement?  Not saying it won't, I'm just ignorant on it.Feb 24 14:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google may cancel Chromebook subsidies, sayFeb 24 14:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wow! Tux Machines IS BAACCCKKKK!Feb 24 14:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesFeb 24 14:38
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/keonne/status/437582439607586816Feb 24 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@keonne: @schestowitz @candtalan Sweet. I just got myself an MSI GS70 wiped off windows 8 and loaded her up with @archlinux - couldn't be happierFeb 24 14:52
schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/gh_geek/status/437961187360530432Feb 24 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gh_geek: It only lived in the mind of @selop RT @schestowitz: "Windows Phone is dead" http://t.co/N0WmM7cuWJFeb 24 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: What Does It Mean that Nokia Launches 3 Smartphones on Android, Now? It means desperation and that Windows Phone is deadFeb 24 14:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     $629 Blackphone aims to hide you from the NSAFeb 24 15:19
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abeNd-orghttp://www.theverge.com/2014/2/24/5442596/ceo-of-verizon-says-he-expects-netflix-will-sign-deal-to-pay-them-asFeb 24 18:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Verizon CEO says he expects Netflix will sign deal to pay them as well | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/govq2 ]Feb 24 18:38
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SosumiItalian has another appointed prime ministerFeb 24 18:44
Sosumi*italyFeb 24 18:44
Sosumiwho promises immediate radical changeFeb 24 18:45
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abeNd-orghow many mistresses?Feb 24 18:45
Sosumiisn't there a saying who says that the more things change, the more they stay the same?Feb 24 18:46
Sosumiprobably one for each day of the week?Feb 24 18:47
Sosumibut from as far as I knowFeb 24 18:47
Sosumionly Berlusconi could pull thatFeb 24 18:47
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sebsebsebhiFeb 24 18:49
Sosumiseb³Feb 24 18:50
abeNd-orgive given up on any politician ever actually doing anything good for the people they representFeb 24 18:50
abeNd-orgthe only thing they ever really represent is their own pocketbookFeb 24 18:51
gde33abeNd-org: oh but it isn't so complex, if you can just get the people represented to want somethingFeb 24 18:51
Sosumibut they actually do good for the ppl they representFeb 24 18:51
Sosumiaka their campaign backersFeb 24 18:51
abeNd-orgsure, the special interests, check writers, etcFeb 24 18:51
SosumiyepFeb 24 18:52
gde33The grand nagus and other ferrengiFeb 24 18:52
abeNd-orgi think to clean this world up & set it straight, it would actually require one heck of an evil person willing to carry out some nasty stuffFeb 24 18:52
abeNd-orgsomeone willing to instantly flip the switch on criminals to erase them, & willing to enforce other laws without backing downFeb 24 18:53
abeNd-orgsomeone who doesnt care about political correctnessFeb 24 18:53
abeNd-org& who doesnt get assassinated :PFeb 24 18:54
gde33then the government funded mercinary armies will come and end everythingFeb 24 18:55
abeNd-orgno need for an army in such a utopiaFeb 24 18:55
gde33I know, it is all highly theoretical at that pointFeb 24 18:56
abeNd-orgthose left have no need/want/desire/reason to commit crimeFeb 24 18:56
gde33lolFeb 24 18:56
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gde33I think I have a good picture how we can at least all agree to progress.Feb 24 19:01
abeNd-orgif they were gainfully employed, why would they need to commit a crime?Feb 24 19:01
gde33cultureFeb 24 19:01
gde33IFeb 24 19:01
gde33'm not kiddingFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgok, easy, fry them instantly, no second chancesFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgobviously that person is no good to societyFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgthey should no longer existFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgdoneFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgnextFeb 24 19:02
gde33you are wrong actuallyFeb 24 19:02
gde33they are just people, the wrong people for the jobFeb 24 19:02
gde33to some extend it is our fault they get the jobFeb 24 19:02
abeNd-orgnot our fault they choose to commit a crimeFeb 24 19:03
gde33they might be guilty as well but lets just fix our end of the mistakeFeb 24 19:03
gde33then they become irrelevantFeb 24 19:03
abeNd-orgim not holding a gun to their head telling them to commit crimesFeb 24 19:03
abeNd-orgthat is their own free willFeb 24 19:03
gde33no you are just putting the wrong guy on the jobFeb 24 19:04
gde33then you blame him for being bad at itFeb 24 19:04
gde33you are much more powerful than you thinkFeb 24 19:04
abeNd-orgbeing good or bad at a job has nothing to do with their choice to commit a crime, be bit petty or something like rape/murderFeb 24 19:05
gde33but it isn't abuot themFeb 24 19:06
abeNd-orgoh thats right, bleeding heart liberal, of course no one has personal responsibilityFeb 24 19:06
*abeNd-org rolls eyesFeb 24 19:06
gde33I understand you want to get away from what we have as fast as possible, shooting everyone seems a good solution for that.Feb 24 19:06
gde33but it is also an ugly oneFeb 24 19:06
gde33no success is guranteed, you could be shooting people for a long timeFeb 24 19:07
abeNd-orgyes, & i already denoted above about it taking one heck of a prolonged "act of evil" to clean humanity upFeb 24 19:07
gde33yeahFeb 24 19:07
gde33that was what i was refering toFeb 24 19:07
gde33I'm not that much in a hurryFeb 24 19:07
abeNd-orgim sure there are plenty of people who don't qualify for the wastebin of humanityFeb 24 19:08
gde33I think a basic income can be presented so that it makes good sense even to greedy check writers.Feb 24 19:08
gde33just give everyone 700 euro per month, no questions asked.Feb 24 19:09
gde33then decrease all wages by 700 Feb 24 19:09
abeNd-org& instantly eliminate criminalsFeb 24 19:10
gde33split education into modules as small as possible, give people a permanent raise for every module completedFeb 24 19:10
gde33elliminate crime, reduce healthcare cost etcFeb 24 19:10
gde33but also, cheaper workers, the option to send them home whenever you like, skilled workers sitting at home waiting for you to call for 1/3 day's work.Feb 24 19:11
gde33no need to organise their healthcare or their pensionFeb 24 19:11
abeNd-orgbut as you said, you still end up with people committing crime just to do itFeb 24 19:11
abeNd-orgthose people need to be eliminated Feb 24 19:11
gde33crime starts smallFeb 24 19:11
gde33we pressure people into the field by not giving them anything at allFeb 24 19:12
abeNd-orgsure, thats why it would be easy to nip it in the bud before they turn into mass murderers :PFeb 24 19:12
gde33no place to sleep + hunger + no money = fantastic fast learning criminal Feb 24 19:12
gde33learns like a ninjaFeb 24 19:12
gde33but we create these peopleFeb 24 19:13
abeNd-orgyes, preventative is always better than reactiveFeb 24 19:13
gde33it is the egotistical society that makes these peopleFeb 24 19:13
abeNd-orgput the infrastructure in for preventativeFeb 24 19:13
gde33so we just need to be a bit more generousFeb 24 19:13
abeNd-orgbut if they still choose to commit crimes, then well, g'bye!Feb 24 19:13
gde33you dont design a great society arround crimeFeb 24 19:13
gde33crime is not the goalFeb 24 19:13
gde33you do have to address it but it cant be at the core of the argumentFeb 24 19:14
gde33or the problem will only be fixed for a whileFeb 24 19:14
gde33until the next idiot shows upFeb 24 19:14
gde33if everyone has a guranteed income they can get great creditFeb 24 19:14
gde33the money is guranteed to show upFeb 24 19:15
gde33the national debt is also backed by citizensFeb 24 19:15
gde33if the citizen is a worthless heap of sadness then you also cant borrow against him nationallyFeb 24 19:15
abeNd-orgworthless heap of sadness... sounds like something off dilbert.com :)Feb 24 19:16
gde33I'm pretty funny but not that funnyFeb 24 19:17
gde33abeNd-org: but does that make sense? If your system requires evil doers to function? perhaps not so awesome? lolFeb 24 19:18
gde33but imagine the fun if a basic income doesnt cause inflation the way everyone seems to think but actually improves the credit status of the whole country, the organisations and the people in it.Feb 24 19:20
abeNd-orgjust the one in charge,a good person, who is willing to follow through with what today's society would consider badFeb 24 19:20
gde33abeNd-org: I think Russell Brand figured it out, just use the media to bring the dumbest law to public attention, gather people arround it, then FORCE the politicians to debate the topic, while knowing we know that they know what 70% of the citizens think.Feb 24 19:24
gde33create the proverbial page, put everyone on it and then invite the politician to the discussion, after the decisions are madeFeb 24 19:25
gde33then they can do their little show how they side with the public for being reelectedFeb 24 19:25
gde33and if they listen properly, then we will vote for them again Feb 24 19:25
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3683670Feb 24 20:40
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schestowitz"The selling point being proprietary software and no physical cover for cameras? Eh..."Feb 24 20:40
gde33I was impressed howmany people are involved in making it all safe :DFeb 24 20:58
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gde33this thing http://basicincome2013.euFeb 24 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-basicincome2013.eu | European Citizens' Initiative for an Unconditional Basic Income (UBI) | #basicincomeFeb 24 22:26
gde33they chose to enter the petition before gathering 1 m signaturesFeb 24 22:26
gde33as if they didnt understand the gameFeb 24 22:27
gde33or wanted to set it up to fail?Feb 24 22:27
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MinceRgnFeb 24 23:29
gde33I think a basic income doesnt cause inflation, I think its limit is the point where some jobs wont find employees. Here it seems to provide a tool that forces unwanted jobs out of the market.Feb 24 23:40
gde33each citizen can get an increasing smack of cash until some jobs are not getting doneFeb 24 23:41
gde33I imagine people will then try to do those tasks themselvesFeb 24 23:42
gde33or increase the pay Feb 24 23:42
gde33I think the value of a currency depends on the ecconomic wealth of the citizens minting it?Feb 24 23:43
gde33can print as much money as you like without devaluing anythingFeb 24 23:44
gde33haha!Feb 24 23:44
MinceRand you can put them into circulation and then things will get devaluedFeb 24 23:45
gde33I dont see whyFeb 24 23:45
gde33the US for example already has so much debtFeb 24 23:46
gde33it would hardly add to thatFeb 24 23:46
gde33you could look at the large amount of debt as a feature in that way :DFeb 24 23:46
gde33MinceR: things will get cheaper, wages will go down dramaticallyFeb 24 23:48
gde33minimum wage 0 USD per yearFeb 24 23:48
gde33I think it can be done gradually, just enough to increase wages for shitty jobsFeb 24 23:50
gde33if you get 500 bucks just to stay alive a job that would normally pay 800 now pays 300Feb 24 23:50
gde33it quickly gets dubious if you should be doing a job for 75 per weekFeb 24 23:51
gde33a job might be fun enough to do for free, I think we have enough foss examples of that :)Feb 24 23:53
abeNd-orgyea, if i could afford to, id be probno IT support for all the libraries in my areaFeb 24 23:54
gde33the basic income makes running a business so much more funFeb 24 23:55
gde33always good new people available who work for astronomically low wages until the job is done, then they are happy to go homeFeb 24 23:55
gde33almost surrealFeb 24 23:55
gde33no nonsense with pensions and healthcare, can focus entirely on doing businessFeb 24 23:56
gde33better a nanny state than a nanny that is also your boss lolFeb 24 23:57
abeNd-orgit would be great if everyone could not worry about money & just do what they like to do for workFeb 24 23:57
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abeNd-orgbut some people like killing others & would prefer to do that as opposed to anything elseFeb 24 23:58
gde33the trick is to make it ecconomically viableFeb 24 23:58
gde33For the more war oriented people there is the factor of a civilian uprising.Feb 24 23:58
gde33this is always a riskFeb 24 23:58
gde33until you just provide for people, then they wont ever bother you ever againFeb 24 23:59
gde33it is not even expensiveFeb 24 23:59
gde33if we are the good guys in the war then we should at least try to be the good guys?Feb 24 23:59
gde33fighting for some dictatorship isnt very motivatingFeb 25 00:00
gde33us political myhology predicts the enemy will come from inside, like in Alien.Feb 25 00:01
abeNd-orgonly if you deny fatties their hamburgersFeb 25 00:14
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msbhello?Feb 25 00:43
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 25 03:53
DaemonFCI do hope that Pence runs for president though.Feb 25 03:53
DaemonFC1. He'll lose.Feb 25 03:53
DaemonFC2. It'll shovel some **** out of the Indiana Governor's office.Feb 25 03:53
DaemonFCUnder Indiana law, he *could* run for governor and president at the same time, but he won't do it because it will make his presidential bid weaker if people see that he's not confident. Feb 25 03:53
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCWell, I kind of wonder why, in the 21st century, I even have to dignify this crap with a response.Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCWithout government welfare, the kind of people who gravitate to Fundamentalist Christianity are not smart enough or good enough to do many useful things in the modern world. They breed and they get more welfare.Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCDidn't Hannibal Lecter even say "A rational society would either kill me or find a use for me?".Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCWhat's their excuse?Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCThe least they can do is say thank you for my money and quit oppressing me. They have a name for breeding and burning up government welfare.Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCThey call it "draining the beast". Feb 25 05:54
DaemonFCerr, got the punctuation mixed up....Feb 25 05:55
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 25 05:56
DaemonFCThey're lucky that I don't tell them what I really think, because "**** you and **** your terrorist religion too." is not very polite. Feb 25 05:56
DaemonFC Menkaure says:Feb 25 06:07
DaemonFCBig business stepped into this one primarily for practical reasons; it's a bad law with potential for disastrous consequences. Basically, any employee could refuse service to any customer on religious grounds; creating a potential PR and customer service nightmare for national retailers located in Arizona. Imagine trying to operate a large supermarket or department store where half your employees are offending and turning away customers with a Feb 25 06:07
DaemonFCvariety of whackadoodle excuses. Feb 25 06:07
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Feb 25 06:07
DaemonFCWell, at first, the religious kooks will show up to support that business, at least until they run out of other people's money and have to wait until the first of the month again. Feb 25 06:07
DaemonFCshared a link.Feb 25 06:26
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/22/1279622/-Mormons-Declare-War-on-Masturbation?detail=facebookFeb 25 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | Mormons Declare War on Masturbation [ http://ur1.ca/gp0c7 ]Feb 25 06:26
DaemonFCBill Maher already got to this. He read out of one of their old pamphlets from the 70s.Feb 25 06:26
DaemonFC"Wear pajamas that are difficult to open." Maher: "Yes, you just go into the store... 'Excuse me? Do you have any pajamas that are difficult to open?'"Feb 25 06:26
MinceRfundie "logic": http://i.imgur.com/fHC7JQW.jpgFeb 25 07:13
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DaemonFCMinceR: My favorite is "If women carried guns, they wouldn't be raped."Feb 25 07:23
MinceRthere's slightly more truth to that one than the fetus oneFeb 25 07:24
DaemonFCIf women started shooting rapists and abortion clinic hecklers, I think we'd have some new gun control laws soon.Feb 25 07:24
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MinceR:>Feb 25 07:24
MinceRthey'd be along the lines of "no guns for women", though...Feb 25 07:25
DaemonFCyeahFeb 25 07:26
DaemonFCat least they couldn't say "If women had guns" anymore.Feb 25 07:26
MinceRat the cost of egalitarianismFeb 25 07:35
msbDaemonFC: Hello, can you see me?Feb 25 07:42
msbfreenode is very intermittentFeb 25 07:43
DaemonFCyeahFeb 25 07:44
msbDaemonFC: You said Feb 25 07:53
msbDaemonFC: You said TPP would kill software freedom movement.  Would you explain that please?Feb 25 07:54
DaemonFCWell, it would deal a very serious blow to it.Feb 25 07:55
DaemonFCSome more than others.Feb 25 07:55
msbDaemonFC: How?Feb 25 07:55
DaemonFCThere's a lot of free software that clearly violates US patents.Feb 25 07:56
DaemonFCI benefit from other countries that don't recognize our patents when I download that software in binary form from their servers.Feb 25 07:56
msbYou mean for decoding DVDs?Feb 25 07:56
MinceRa lot more than thatFeb 25 07:56
DaemonFCAnd there's always the possibility that software that didn't seem to violate any patents could be found to be in violation and effectively banned.Feb 25 07:57
MinceRpatent organizations tend to allow patents for obvious things that many others have used before the patent holderFeb 25 07:57
DaemonFCmsb: Most of the stuff in RPM Fusion Free is free software that runs afoul of some US law.Feb 25 07:57
DaemonFCmostly patent lawFeb 25 07:57
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