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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4067247May 11 06:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The only way to protect #privacy is to pass something like a STOP COLLECTION Act -- ban retention of any kind. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/can-the-nsa-keep-us-metadata-safe-from-foreign-hackers/361976/May 11 06:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theatlantic.com | Can the NSA Keep U.S. Metadata Safe from Hackers and Spies? - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/haooe ]May 11 06:53
schestowitz"Nope."May 11 06:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4068669May 11 06:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I never ever bought anything from #asda since #walmart took over. Soon might be my first time because I unexpectedly received a voucher. #ukMay 11 06:53
schestowitz"If you own a smartphone Buycott is the app to have!"May 11 06:53
schestowitzI don't think anyone owns a smartphone, they're technically rentedMay 11 06:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4064501May 11 06:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Do we really need more giant phablets? http://jimlynch.com/mobile/do-we-really-need-more-giant-phablets/ phones, not fashion accessories. #android #linuxMay 11 06:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> jimlynch.com | Do we really need more giant phablets? [ http://ur1.ca/hag8a ]May 11 06:54
schestowitz"It's striking me that somehow, there might be something to be said for not seeing his face. ;-)"May 11 06:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4066236May 11 06:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Will the Italian Presidency of the #EU Council Support #NetNeutrality ? http://www.laquadrature.net/en/will-the-italian-presidency-of-the-eu-council-support-net-neutrality #europe #internetMay 11 06:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.laquadrature.net | Will the Italian Presidency of the EU Council Support Net Neutrality? | La Quadrature du Net [ http://ur1.ca/haoon ]May 11 06:55
schestowitz"AHAHAHAHAHaHAHAH <br> AHAHAHAHAHAH <br> AHAHAH Ah Ah No. :("May 11 06:55
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4066308May 11 06:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Elementary’s Pantheon Shell To Be Ported On Debian http://linuxg.net/elementarys-pantheon-shell-to-be-ported-on-debian/ #debian #gnu #linux #elementaryMay 11 06:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linuxg.net | Elementary’s Pantheon Shell To Be Ported On Debian | LinuxG.net [ http://ur1.ca/haoor ]May 11 06:56
schestowitz"Loved Pantheon. Seems like just about everything was done right. It's just the longevity of the project (eOS) that worries me. Jono asked pretty much all the correct answers in their interview w Dan the last day, and there were no convicing answers atleast pointing vaguely at a planned out map."May 11 06:56
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4064463May 11 06:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MacOs-Linux 11.04 Officially Killed by Its Developer http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacOs-Linux-11-04-Officially-Killed-by-Its-Developer-441490.shtml "Sourceforge listing has been removed " #gnu #linuxMay 11 06:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | MacOs-Linux 11.04 Officially Killed by Its Developer [ http://ur1.ca/haoot ]May 11 06:56
schestowitz"Pear Os, Clementine Os, MacOs-Linux..."May 11 06:56
schestowitzClementine is dead too? I always suspected Apple had something to do with PearOS going down, maybe they approached SourceForgeMay 11 06:57
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4057376May 11 19:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I am everything but a Google basher and I spent a lot of my life descending deep into research of Google foes, Google smear campaigns, lawsuits by proxy, and antitrust actions by proxy. I also advocate Android, but in recent years I have been increasingly concerned about the direction it is taking. I wish to share my latest concern. It relates to what the media characterises as "anti-theft" but is actually a facMay 11 19:49
schestowitz"Oh no, you don't want to know about corporate/government licensing and how it typically pays for the same software three or four times do you? The hardware itself is likely subsidize for big companies by little people because big dumb companies have been getting desktops for about $250 for more than a decade. Every computer from a M$ partner already has a copy of windoze on that government and business pay for but can't use. The May 11 19:49
schestowitzmoney goes to Microsoft, ha ha. They then buy licenses for software that most of us take for granted, text editors like Word, image viewers and a host of other crap. While these licenses are typically "unlimited" the actual cost per desktop is very high, on the order of hundreds of dollars/year, because the real number of desks is smaller than quoted. Upgrades sometimes promised "for free" but are rarely taken because they are so May 11 19:49
schestowitzcrazy painful to perform. I've helped do one of those upgrades for a big bank and it was really stupid painful thanks to the registry and other awful traps. I know people who can explain the details better but it's all really ugly and stupid, the result of corruption."May 11 19:49
schestowitz"May 11 19:50
schestowitzHeh, those costs. I remember 10 years ago when Microsoft born viruses could put down a whole engineering firm for a week. You can forget the cost of computers and other office furniture when you are burning like that. Imagine the cost of paying all those people to sit on their rear as bidding and submission deadlines sail by. I learned of that happening at two firms from people who worked there.May 11 19:50
schestowitzI've heard of cancer centers being knocked out in a similar way recently. Some kind of virus got onto the treatment machine itself. At least one vendor uses that for everything. I have been lucky enough not to have seen an outage like that for myself.May 11 19:50
schestowitz"May 11 19:50
schestowitz"Again: The subject has changed. What private users do and have to pay was the subject of above. And pay usually means $ , not time or work."May 11 19:51
schestowitz"And windows comes with a text-editor and other easy tools. "Accesoires". That people don't know that it already is installed but use MicrosoftWorld for their shopping list is their problem (Dunno, perhaps click thru the apps menu once ? )."May 11 19:51
schestowitz"Like that SoB, Steve Ballmer, said, "Purchase price is just the start of the Total Cost of Ownership.""May 11 19:51
schestowitz"I think we have been there already above."May 11 19:51
schestowitzI made an error. The number is $10,000, not 1,000.  http://techrights.org/2013/06/10/british-government-and-microsoft/May 11 19:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | ~$10,000 Per Windows Desktop Per Year in the British Government, and Microsoft Wants to Deny Us Choice | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/e9kep ]May 11 19:52
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4071294May 11 19:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Attempts to stay anonymous on the web will only put the NSA on your trail http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/11/anonymous-web-nsa-trail-janet-vertesi article shows #bezos but for wrong reasonsMay 11 19:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theguardian.com | Attempts to stay anonymous on the web will only put the NSA on your trail | World news | The Observer [ http://ur1.ca/hasii ]May 11 19:54
schestowitz"Tisk tisk should have used Bitcoin ;)"May 11 19:54
schestowitz"And Diaspora for that matter."May 11 19:54
schestowitzGood pointMay 11 19:54
schestowitzGood point, but JoinDiapora has the Amazon problem alsoMay 11 19:54
schestowitzhttp://books.google.com/books?id=QwUZWQTdQBQC&pg=PA256&lpg=PA256&dq=second+world+war+pilot+loss+unsustainable&source=bl&ots=RT-mBjm7Lo&sig=hb0gf1f0zD1OqUHGTE-pgPat0OY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oxJvU8TqBKLisASN94DABw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=second%20world%20war%20pilot%20loss%20unsustainable&f=falseMay 11 19:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-books.google.com | Why Germany Nearly Won: A New History of the Second World War in Europe - Steven D Mercatante - Google Books [ http://ur1.ca/hasik ]May 11 19:55
schestowitz"That's what I've been told. I can't find it now. It was also true for the Germans."May 11 19:55
schestowitzSounds like gov propaganda and army  bullshit, pretending they care about people except generals and such (the 0.0001%)May 11 19:55
schestowitzhttps://plus.google.com/113923299734857989889/posts/TR9jxWexjbS https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4069378May 11 20:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-plus.google.com | Valorie Zimmerman - Google+ - Good Advice from Bad People: Selected Wisdom from… [ http://ur1.ca/hasjc ]May 11 20:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Good Advice from Bad People: Selected Wisdom from Murderers, Stock Swindlers, and #LanceArmstrong http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/good-advice-from-bad-people-selected.html #kdeMay 11 20:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linuxgrandma.blogspot.co.uk | Linux Grandma: Good Advice from Bad People: Selected Wisdom from Murderers, Stock Swindlers, and Lance Armstrong [ http://ur1.ca/hap33 ]May 11 20:00
schestowitz"May 11 20:01
schestowitzWhat community every had this attitude outside of non free software?May 11 20:01
schestowitz    One thing that has bothered me for years in the whole FLOSS movement is the attitude towards users, as "lusers." I know that started out as a pun, but it seems to me that it correctly labels the orientation that developers often have.May 11 20:01
schestowitzSo I asked her.May 11 20:01
schestowitz    Really? Where have you seen that? I have not seen in any community, least of all the KDE community. The KDE Quality list was a special joy to be a part of. My questions have been treated on Debian mailing lists and other forums. The only place I've run into problems has been LUG lists that were infiltrated by rude people pushing Microsoft garbage.May 11 20:01
schestowitz    "Luser" to me is a concept that comes from the non free world and is one of the many lies software owners tell everyone else. They tell developers that customers are lusers that the owner separates money from. In the same breath they tell users and investors that developers are lazy slobs that would not make "professional" code without owners whipping them. They also tell investors that developers and customers are tools in May 11 20:01
schestowitzmoney making, that "loss leaders" in "established markets" will be taken over so that the investors make more money at the expense of the less efficient/ruthless company.May 11 20:01
schestowitz    This series of lies goes back to some basics about companies. A company has obligations to three groups, owners, employees, and customers. Any company that thinks it's OK to screw one of these groups for the benefit of the other two will eventually get around to screwing all three. That's what happens when you think it's OK to screw people. May 11 20:01
schestowitz"May 11 20:01
schestowitz"May 11 20:01
schestowitzI definitely have seen the 'luser' mentality in FOSS. Not so much lately, perhaps as I have ever so slowly begun to catch up with the modern world of computing.May 11 20:01
schestowitzBut the correct cohort to ask about this would be beginning users who often don't even know how to obtain the information that user lists demand.May 11 20:01
schestowitz"May 11 20:01
schestowitz"I thought it would be better for the author to tell me where they have seen this. Free software is all about respect for your neighbors and inherently frowns on such divisions and insults as user/developer/luser"May 11 20:01
schestowitzFOSS is exactly the opposite of this characterisationMay 11 20:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4072180May 11 20:02
schestowitz"Do you know anything about it? How many people were there?"\May 11 20:02
schestowitzIndymedia blog posted many photosMay 11 20:02
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I've tried hard to find articles about the #sanfrancisco rally/protest against #uk #intervention in #ukraine but no success. Media blackout.May 11 20:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4069408May 11 20:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Reports say that (Keith) Alexander the Great Liar will be working for banks now (on 'security'). Will he recommend Microsoft's SharePoint?May 11 20:03
schestowitz"There's hope for Aaron Barr yet."May 11 20:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4069393May 11 20:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The NSA and Snowden: Securing the All-Seeing Eye http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2014/5/174340-the-nsa-and-snowden/fulltext #nsa #snowdenMay 11 20:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> cacm.acm.org | The NSA and Snowden: Securing the All-Seeing Eye | May 2014 | Communications of the ACM [ http://ur1.ca/hasjo ]May 11 20:03
schestowitz"LOL, next time for sure the leaker won't get away with it."May 11 20:03
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4070659May 12 06:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: No ethics at #intel and the #fud industry of #mcafee http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/08/whats_copyright_mcafee_mcslurps_vuln_database/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/McAfeeMay 12 06:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theregister.co.uk | McAfee accused of McSlurping Open Source Vulnerability Database • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/have5 ]May 12 06:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | McAfee - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/8tng7 ]May 12 06:37
schestowitz"This is the usual hypocrisy of software owners. "What's ours is ours and what's yours is ours.""May 12 06:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4057376May 12 06:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I am everything but a Google basher and I spent a lot of my life descending deep into research of Google foes, Google smear campaigns, lawsuits by proxy, and antitrust actions by proxy. I also advocate Android, but in recent years I have been increasingly concerned about the direction it is taking. I wish to share my latest concern. It relates to what the media characterises as "anti-theft" but is actually a facMay 12 06:37
schestowitz"Ick, you can't just image the drive at install? I'll bet Windoze looks at the drive uuid, and you always have to match every other piece of hardware too. Windows is really, really a stupid thing to use for equipment unless you plan to throw it away in two years or so."May 12 06:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4071294May 12 06:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Attempts to stay anonymous on the web will only put the NSA on your trail http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/11/anonymous-web-nsa-trail-janet-vertesi article shows #bezos but for wrong reasonsMay 12 06:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theguardian.com | Attempts to stay anonymous on the web will only put the NSA on your trail | World news | The Observer [ http://ur1.ca/hasii ]May 12 06:38
schestowitz"I disagree. I think Reformism is a waste of time. We need direct solutions like pods that don't give into pressure from corporations like Amazon."May 12 06:38
schestowitz"Asking the wrong questions. The right question is why do we let the NSA do what it does? If we can't stop it, how can we thwart it? If everyone used free software, the NSA would not be able to monitor everyone and we would all be better off. The agency needs to be dismantled for allowing itself to be used as a corporate tool against US citizens and people doing nothing wrong. When will we see a Techrights Friendica server? ;-}"May 12 06:38
schestowitzhttp://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1399837803482724.jpgMay 12 06:51
schestowitzhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/760280c07052731f59244f0917836c8d/tumblr_n1hfnk2pai1t5jymno3_250.gifMay 12 06:54
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schestowitz"May 13 17:58
schestowitz> Hi Roy, May 13 17:58
schestowitz> May 13 17:58
schestowitz> Xen Project is announcing its role leading the new CentOS VirtualizationMay 13 17:58
schestowitz> SIG -- one of the first SIGs up and running since Red Hat joined forcesMay 13 17:58
schestowitz> with CentOS tomorrow. May 13 17:58
schestowitz> May 13 17:58
schestowitz> Last year Xen Project and CentOS developers began collaborating on theMay 13 17:58
schestowitz> Xen4CentOS Project to ensure users would be able to easily migrate toMay 13 17:58
schestowitz> CentOS 6. The success of this effort is a key reason why Xen was chosenMay 13 17:58
schestowitz> to help kickstart the Virt SIG, which is open to any virtualizationMay 13 17:58
schestowitz> technology, including KVM and container technologies.May 13 17:58
schestowitz> May 13 17:58
schestowitz> Other SIGs --  cloud and storage for example -- actually model theMay 13 17:58
schestowitz> Xen4CentOS hybrid approach that's been proven an effective way toMay 13 17:58
schestowitz> enhance CentOS Linux and 3rd party projects.May 13 17:58
schestowitz> May 13 17:58
schestowitz> Roy, I look forward to hearing from you. I'd be happy to share the newsMay 13 17:58
schestowitz> release under embargo as well, if interested. May 13 17:58
schestowitzHi Sarah,May 13 17:58
schestowitzI am still waiting for Dan Brown to get back to me.May 13 17:58
schestowitzAbout a month ago he approached me, seeking to seed some coverage about embedded Linux. I consented although I don't usually reply to PR and sent questions to Mr. Zemlin, as Dan had said he would facilitate it. The embedded event is already behind, so that lateness was hugely disappointing to me. I didn't do anything wrong, I was polite and patient. I also touched bases with Dan.May 13 17:58
schestowitzDan was then silent for several weeks almost as though he was ignoring me after he had offered me (remember it's him who approached me) some Q & A. He still seems to be ignoring me, or at least not communicating with me. He said he would pursue someone else to respond to the question, but that was quite a while back. That's strange. It's usually the PR side that keeps pushing for communication.May 13 17:58
schestowitzI am still waiting for him to respond, but to tell you the truth, at this stage I just plan to write an article about what a bad experience I've had with Linux Foundation PR. I haven't composed anything. I am perhaps too patient and I give you guys too much benefit of the doubt here.May 13 17:58
schestowitzImagine spending 10+ years of your life promoting Linux 24/7 only to be treated like this by the Linux Foundation. What do you think the effect would be?May 13 17:58
schestowitz"May 13 17:58
schestowitzCCd to TorvaldsMay 13 17:58
schestowitz> Hi Roy, May 13 18:09
schestowitz> May 13 18:09
schestowitz> I apologize for this experience and certainly hope it's an isolated one. May 13 18:09
schestowitz> May 13 18:09
schestowitz> I'll work with my team to provide an adequate and prompt response toMay 13 18:09
schestowitz> hopefully ameliorates things.  May 13 18:09
schestowitz> May 13 18:09
schestowitz> We appreciate the feedback and your dedication covering all things Linux.  May 13 18:09
schestowitz> May 13 18:09
schestowitz> Thanks.May 13 18:09
schestowitz> May 13 18:09
schestowitz> Sarah May 13 18:09
schestowitzhttp://uncrunched.com/2014/05/12/finally-the-fake-follow-on-twitter/May 13 18:21
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-uncrunched.com | Finally, The Fake Follow On Twitter | Uncrunched [ http://ur1.ca/hb6o5 ]May 13 18:21
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4083270May 13 18:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #google sucks! http://stopthecyborgs.org/May 13 18:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- Photo by majestyx@nerdpol.ch: https://nerdpol.ch/uploads/images/thumb_medium_900b95263532818bf21e.pngMay 13 18:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- Photo by majestyx@nerdpol.ch: https://nerdpol.ch/uploads/images/thumb_medium_900b95263532818bf21e.pngMay 13 18:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> stopthecyborgs.org | Stop The Cyborgs | Only the unmeasured is free.May 13 18:30
schestowitz"Are you fighting against Google or just the technology in general?"May 13 18:30
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4082318May 13 21:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This #microsoft #propaganda site takes out of context what one man says, making it sound like #uk rejects #FOSS http://www.wpcentral.com/comment/906301May 13 21:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.wpcentral.com | UK government chooses Microsoft over open source due to cost savings | Windows Phone CentralMay 13 21:43
schestowitz"Cost savings ... bite me! what an utter nonsense!"May 13 21:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4083270May 13 21:43
schestowitz"Pointless. People will soon make the technology completely hidden, whether it be in standard glasses or contacts. Technology is moving fast."May 13 21:43
schestowitz"Ugh, does not PRISM break from non free software. Telling people that GNU/Linux is "too hard" for "the Masses" is a terrible disservice, almost as bad as keeping them hooked on Facebook."May 13 23:56
schestowitz>>> >> "globally yes, we are now at 100%. 7.1 Billion mobileMay 14 08:55
schestowitz>>> >> phone accounts in use worldwide."May 14 08:55
schestowitz>>> >> May 14 08:55
schestowitz>>> >> http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2014/05/lets-do-the-big-mobile-numbers-blog-where-are-we-in-mobile-stats-in-2014the-mobile-subscription-rate-is-at-or-very-very-nea.htmlMay 14 08:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Lets Do 2014 Numbers for the Mobile Industry: Now we are at 100% Mobile Subscription Penetration Rate Per Capita Globally [ http://ur1.ca/hbbhl ]May 14 08:56
schestowitz>>> >> May 14 08:56
schestowitz>>> >> This is, as stated, per capita and not evenly distributed.  Tablets,May 14 08:56
schestowitz>>> >> work phones, netbooks all have separate subscriptions and can bring anMay 14 08:56
schestowitz>>> >> individual's count up to three or four easily.May 14 08:56
schestowitz>> > May 14 08:56
schestowitz>> > Lots of tracking devices.May 14 08:56
schestowitz> Yes, yet there's even talk here about explicitly adding dedicatedMay 14 08:56
schestowitz> tracking devices to all cars and trucks.May 14 08:56
schestowitzMy wife has a cellphone around that she only uses for SMS. I asked her to switch it off just now, unless she's actively using it. It's excess radiation and another microphone in our bedroom.May 14 08:56
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MinceRthat "excess radiation" is low power non-ionizing radiationMay 14 09:14
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schestowitz"May 14 09:31
schestowitz> When they first started adding microphones and cameras to the notebooks,May 14 09:31
schestowitz> I figured they were more for surveillance possibilities than theMay 14 09:31
schestowitz> convenience of the user.May 14 09:31
schestowitz> May 14 09:31
schestowitz> About the radiation, apparently there was another study recently showingMay 14 09:31
schestowitz> that it is harmful.  I can't find more on that yet.  About the oldMay 14 09:31
schestowitz> studies, my interpretation was that once the initial study showed harm,May 14 09:31
schestowitz> funding was cut off so that the industry could then claim that only aMay 14 09:31
schestowitz> single study, and no subsequent studies, had shown harm.May 14 09:31
schestowitzI'd like to know more about these topics. Unfortunately, mass media does not even cover these topics, so it's not easy to get reliable information.May 14 09:31
schestowitz"May 14 09:31
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4087071May 14 19:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Saudi tourists treated like Saudi terrorists for #copyright infringement http://torrentfreak.com/us-expelled-saudi-students-for-using-pirate-software-official-says-140513/ how long before #tsa serves corporations?May 14 19:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> torrentfreak.com | US Expelled Saudi Students For Using Pirate Software, Official Says | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hbf1d ]May 14 19:32
schestowitz__"There is no need to pirate software, Free Software is very good. Also, there is no need to go to the US. I wonder why everybody want to go there."May 14 19:32
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4086917May 14 19:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Power of branding http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1400013191431592.jpgMay 14 19:33
schestowitz__"May 14 19:33
schestowitz__I know it first hand, in my state there is a lot of garment factories that manufacture for US brands. After finished garments are sent to the US to put them nice brand tags and then sell back to us at a steep price. In exchange those factories pollute a river that is quickly poisoning some poor folks that live near that river, and maybe slowly poisoning the rest of us.May 14 19:33
schestowitz__But what do you prefer, clean water or expensive brand garment? Clean water is not fashionable.May 14 19:33
schestowitz__"May 14 19:33
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4086909May 14 19:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Son of U.S. Vice President #Biden Joins #Ukraine Gas Company http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/son-of-us-vice-president-biden-joins-ukraine-gas-company/500062.html Ukraine's 'oil'May 14 19:33
schestowitz__"Don't get it wrong, US intervention at Ukraine is about democracy and freedom. This is for sure only a happy coincidence."May 14 19:33
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4087790May 14 19:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "NSA employees engage in “supply chain interdiction”" http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/05/13/the-american-republic-is-dead/ watch photoMay 14 19:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> original.antiwar.com | The American Republic Is Dead by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com [ http://ur1.ca/hbf29 ]May 14 19:35
schestowitz__"Lonnnng before this."May 14 19:35
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4087790May 14 19:36
schestowitz__"Firefox is reporting this as an attack page btw."May 14 19:36
schestowitz__>> Hi Roy,May 14 19:58
schestowitz__> May 14 19:58
schestowitz__>> I'm Jennifer Cloer and oversee PR at Linux Foundation. IMay 14 19:58
schestowitz__>> understand you've had some difficulties getting a response from myMay 14 19:58
schestowitz__>> team. First, I want to personally and sincerely apologize. We tryMay 14 19:58
schestowitz__>> very hard to be as responsive as possible.May 14 19:58
schestowitz__> May 14 19:58
schestowitz__>> I do want to let you know that I have the questions you sent andMay 14 19:58
schestowitz__>> will get you responses ASAP. Both of our primary spokespeople areMay 14 19:58
schestowitz__>> traveling this week, but I will be diligent in getting responsesMay 14 19:58
schestowitz__>> for you. I'll send an update to you in the morning either with theMay 14 19:58
schestowitz__>> responses or when I expect you should receive them.May 14 19:58
schestowitz__> May 14 19:58
schestowitz__>> If you need anything else at all, just holler. JenniferMay 14 19:58
schestowitz__> May 14 19:58
schestowitz__> Thanks, Jennifer, that's very much appreciated. :-)May 14 19:59
schestowitz__> May 14 19:59
schestowitz__> May 14 19:59
schestowitz__>> Of course. And, again, I'm very sorry for the delay on this. We'll makeMay 14 19:59
schestowitz__>> sure you don't experience similar delays again. May 14 19:59
schestowitz__> May 14 19:59
schestowitz__>> I include below responses to your questions; however, the responses areMay 14 19:59
schestowitz__>> from me. Both Jim Zemlin and Amanda McPherson are traveling this week.May 14 19:59
schestowitz__>> Jim is traveling for business in Asia and Amanda is out of the officeMay 14 19:59
schestowitz__>> this week. I didn't want you to experience any more delay so hope thatMay 14 19:59
schestowitz__>> these answers meet your needs. Attribution is Jennifer Cloer, directorMay 14 19:59
schestowitz__>> of communications, The Linux Foundation. If you need anything else, justMay 14 19:59
schestowitz__>> let me know.May 14 19:59
schestowitz__> May 14 19:59
schestowitz__>> JenniferMay 14 19:59
schestowitz__Thanks, Jennifer. Are you OK with me publishing this as an interview in TuxMachines, which my wife and I are running?May 14 19:59
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4087241May 14 20:24
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ice sheets http://imgur.com/TEkJ1ceMay 14 20:24
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> imgur.com | In Colorado, snow during the month of May can lead to some weird things. - ImgurMay 14 20:24
schestowitz__"It looks like Styrofoam."May 14 20:24
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schestowitz__>     >> I include below responses to your questions; however, theMay 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     >> responses are from me. Both Jim Zemlin and Amanda McPherson areMay 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     >> traveling this week. Jim is traveling for business in Asia andMay 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     >> Amanda is out of the office this week. I didn't want you toMay 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     >> experience any more delay so hope that these answers meet yourMay 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     >> needs. Attribution is Jennifer Cloer, director of communications,May 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     >> The Linux Foundation. If you need anything else, just let meMay 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     >> know.May 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     >May 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     >> JenniferMay 14 22:00
schestowitz__> May 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     Thanks, Jennifer. Are you OK with me publishing this as an interviewMay 14 22:00
schestowitz__>     in TuxMachines, which my wife and I are running?May 14 22:00
schestowitz__> May 14 22:00
schestowitz__> May 14 22:00
schestowitz__> Yes, of course. That would be absolutely fine.May 14 22:00
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4083270May 14 22:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #google sucks! http://stopthecyborgs.org/May 14 22:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- Photo by majestyx@nerdpol.ch: https://nerdpol.ch/uploads/images/thumb_medium_900b95263532818bf21e.pngMay 14 22:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- Photo by majestyx@nerdpol.ch: https://nerdpol.ch/uploads/images/thumb_medium_900b95263532818bf21e.pngMay 14 22:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> stopthecyborgs.org | Stop The Cyborgs | Only the unmeasured is free.May 14 22:08
schestowitz__"May 14 22:08
schestowitz__You're treating this as if the only problem is in public places. Google Glass can be worn in private places, and the sign suggests an assertion of private property rights to ban the use of such devices on private property.May 14 22:08
schestowitz__I may not be properly understanding stoppoker's post, but to acknowledge, as Sean does, the intrusions of people being "constantly photographed publicly via security cameras, police, reporters, and photographers alike" is not to bless or endorse them. And I think most anarchists generally oppose these activities when conducted by authorities. Are you really then saying it's okay for private individuals to do?May 14 22:08
schestowitz__"May 14 22:08
schestowitz__>     I have sent it to Rianne who edited and published as follows:May 15 06:24
schestowitz__> May 15 06:25
schestowitz__>     Interview With Jennifer Cloer, Director of Communications at The LinuxMay 15 06:25
schestowitz__>     Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/65785May 15 06:25
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Interview With Jennifer Cloer, Director of Communications at The Linux Foundation | Tux MachinesMay 15 06:25
schestowitz__> May 15 06:25
schestowitz__>     I hope you like how it's presented. Thanks for taking the time toMay 15 06:25
schestowitz__>     speak for Linux. :-)May 15 06:25
schestowitz__> May 15 06:25
schestowitz__> May 15 06:25
schestowitz__> My pleasure. If you ever need anything, just let me know. May 15 06:25
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4079561May 15 06:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I gave #bbc a chance by checking out latest #ukraine coverage, but the russophobia lovers have taken over the site, framing all distortedMay 15 06:27
schestowitz__"#bbc is most reliable media organization in the world. Sincerely, it makes a good coverage of Ukraine crisis"May 15 06:27
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4079561May 15 06:27
schestowitz__""Ohhhh NSAAAAAA... our lords of these plutocratic laaaaaaands..... true patriot spying, at your spook's commaaaaand!""May 15 06:27
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4087250May 15 06:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Lahti L-39 vs #apple http://sploid.gizmodo.com/watch-a-20mm-anti-tank-rifle-destroying-an-apple-imac-i-1575387267?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflowMay 15 06:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> sploid.gizmodo.com | Watch a 20mm anti-tank rifle destroying an Apple iMac in slow motion [ http://ur1.ca/hbhyq ]May 15 06:28
schestowitz__"Well, as much as I don't like weapons, at least they're being put to a vaguely good use here..."May 15 06:28
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4086682May 15 06:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #copyright impeding expression http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140513/06584027216/commander-hadfields-amazing-cover-david-bowies-space-oddity-disappears-today-thanks-to-copyright.shtmlMay 15 06:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.techdirt.com | Commander Hadfield's Amazing Cover Of David Bowie's Space Oddity Disappears Today, Thanks To Copyright | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/hbhyv ]May 15 06:28
schestowitz__"Well, fuck."May 15 06:28
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Bartissimus/status/466836115560099840May 15 08:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Bartissimus: @schestowitz @kaatje36 "Clout", then?May 15 08:26
schestowitz__maybeMay 15 08:26
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/466831319872585729May 15 08:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kaatje36: @meneer @schestowitz with some actual experts on Linkedin in the field of cyber ditching :-))May 15 08:26
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/meneer/status/466830558107303936May 15 08:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@meneer: @schestowitz How about #Cyber, even worse than cloud. Here's my #ditchcyber campaign: http://t.co/dtP9n1FYBzMay 15 08:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> cyberxpert.nl | #DitchCyber manifesto | CyberXpertMay 15 08:27
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/CDSRV/status/466822470578618368   https://twitter.com/CDSRV/status/466828134206025728May 15 08:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CDSRV: @schestowitz : ? apps that are fully redundant, distributed and scalable.. The ad hoc instantiation of a VM being the basic unit.May 15 08:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CDSRV: @schestowitz : is the malware removed?May 15 08:27
schestowitz__In 14.10May 15 08:27
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4092373May 15 08:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How world's most devout Christian country views #imperialism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRTnNwx5fq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0siyMsCK98A not just Muslims think this wayMay 15 08:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.youtube.com | Philippines: Protests in Manila as US expands empire of bases - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hbf5s ]May 15 08:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.youtube.com | Philippines: Obama visit raises temperature of Manila protest - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hbf5q ]May 15 08:37
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/bbirdiman/status/466857954474328064May 16 20:02
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@bbirdiman: @schestowitz #eprdctn -- i expect the d.r.m. crap from adobe. but it's terribly sad when #mozilla and #firefox become parties to such stuff.May 16 20:02
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/pensadorlouco/status/467020458429546496May 16 20:02
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@pensadorlouco: @schestowitz I've just read about the danger of duckduckgo at Techrights. Which search engine should I usem then? 8)May 16 20:02
schestowitz__Maybe ixquickMay 16 20:02
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/pensadorlouco/status/467381219991511040May 16 20:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@pensadorlouco: @schestowitz Thanks for the help. Is StartPage bad too? 8)May 16 20:13
schestowitz__the same one, different nameMay 16 20:13
MinceRdifferent service, thoughMay 16 20:14
MinceRstartpage uses google; ixquick uses a bunch of other engines, afaikMay 16 20:15
MinceR(they used to list them)May 16 20:15
schestowitz__http://linuxgizmos.com/sneak-peek-at-a-proof-of-concept-snapdragon-mcm/May 16 20:17
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxgizmos.com | Sneak peek at a proof-of-concept Snapdragon MCM ·  LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/hbsw6 ]May 16 20:17
schestowitz__Nbnexus 7May 16 20:17
schestowitz__MinceR: hmmm..May 16 20:17
schestowitz__they also have NYC HQ May 16 20:17
schestowitz__And advvertise with GoogleMay 16 20:17
schestowitz__the latest 2 issues that I know ofMay 16 20:17
MinceRwell, it's better to use them through tor, anyway :>May 16 20:18
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