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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455251777534042112 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455248258936627200  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455248073657421824  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455247523184410624Apr 13 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Box joins the open source bandwagon with new showcase http://t.co/oM8KtSVZOy http://t.co/f8qz2D8NngApr 13 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Box joins the open source bandwagon with new showcase | ZDNetApr 13 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techcrunch.com | Box Debuts ‘Box Open Source’ To Share Its Internal Tools With The Larger Developer World | TechCrunchApr 13 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The Collateral Benefits of India's Open Source Drug Discovery Programme http://t.co/JU1r0BThME saving lives by sharingApr 13 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> forbesindia.com | Forbes India Magazine - The Collateral Benefits of India's Open Source Drug Discovery ProgrammeApr 13 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #RedHat answers governments’ questions on Freeware and Open Source http://t.co/3Web60oSg6 when government don't grasp freedomApr 13 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.futuregov.asia | Red Hat answers governments’ questions on Freeware and Open Source | Articles | FutureGov - Transforming Government | Education | HealthcareApr 13 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Out in the Open: Build Your Own Siri With This Free Code and without #apple and #google (PRISM) recording all http://t.co/B5kIxDR9CEApr 13 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wired.com | Out in the Open: Build Your Own Siri With This Free Code | Enterprise | WIREDApr 13 08:54
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455246832877449216  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455245630521503744  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455244360444293120Apr 13 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When Should We Go Open Source? http://t.co/bM88YKIOwj free, not openApr 13 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eetimes.com | When Should We Go Open Source? | EE TimesApr 13 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Open source gives new life to old Windows XP machines http://t.co/zBlriJBwJX another article advising people to move to #gnu #linuxApr 13 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> phys.org | Open source gives new life to old Windows XP machinesApr 13 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: University Of Maryland Explores Open Source Textbooks http://t.co/SZLrjlxILy #sharing economyApr 13 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ubergizmo.com | University Of Maryland Explores Open Source Textbooks | UbergizmoApr 13 08:54
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/RichardSmedley/status/455252646493188096 https://twitter.com/RichardSmedley/status/455252882787680256Apr 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RichardSmedley: @schestowitz Interesting. Where is the hardware equivalent of sourceforge? Perhaps github works as well for circuit revisions as code?Apr 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RichardSmedley: @schestowitz ...though there's OpenCores for CPUs, of course.Apr 13 09:28
schestowitz_log_I think you have identified a gap; would be nice to have schematic diff, commit, etc.Apr 13 09:29
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schestowitz_log_nice simple widget: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/64917Apr 13 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Weekend in Techrights | Tux MachinesApr 13 11:11
schestowitz_log_oops. handy: http://countingdownto.com/Apr 13 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-countingdownto.com | Create a Countdown Clock Widget for Your Website | CountingDownTo.comApr 13 11:11
schestowitz_log_That's the right linkApr 13 11:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455292033939537920 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455290488216911874Apr 13 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Indian press turns #greenwald into an #apple product http://t.co/aJhX7kbPIyApr 13 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.business-standard.com | iGreenwald back in US after NSA revelations | Business StandardApr 13 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Economist Thomas Piketty's message is bleak: the gap between rich and poor threatens to destroy us" http://t.co/rYvlnaXLVsApr 13 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Capitalism simply isn't working and here are the reasons why | Will Hutton | Comment is free | The ObserverApr 13 11:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/p/3920193Apr 13 11:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Silicon Valley co...Apr 13 11:42
schestowitzSilicon Valley could force NSA reform, tomorrow. What's taking so long? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/12/silicon-valley-nsa-reform-taking-so-long #obama works for1% & #nsa which works for the 1%Apr 13 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Silicon Valley could force NSA reform, tomorrow. What's taking so long? | Trevor Timm | Comment is free | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/h2ind ]Apr 13 11:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IanTheInventor/status/455296444573163520Apr 13 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IanTheInventor: @schestowitz @PaulbernalUK I thought Copyright infringement was about people profiting from pretending to be an established businessApr 13 11:52
schestowitzDepends what the copyright is on, e.g. work of dead artist...Apr 13 11:52
MinceRgeekingsApr 13 11:54
cubezzzoiaohm, I'm reading here it's possible for the console to be taken over by a loadable moduleApr 13 11:55
cubezzze.g. /sbin/modprobe uvesafbApr 13 11:57
schestowitzwow, neocons: http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/13697/nsa-leaks-fallout-will-fade-faster-than-hit-to-u-s-prideApr 13 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldpoliticsreview.com | NSA Leaks Fallout Will Fade Faster Than Hit to U.S. Pride [ http://ur1.ca/h2it4 ]Apr 13 12:15
schestowitzhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2014/04/11/national-security-agency-heartbleed-bug-spying/7609019/Apr 13 12:16
schestowitz"Even if we are to believe the NSA, and I'm reluctant given its shaky track record, the damage has been done to the tech community."Apr 13 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | First Take: The Latest Apparent NSA Outrage [ http://ur1.ca/h2itj ]Apr 13 12:17
schestowitzhttp://www.foxbaltimore.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/gogo-other-wifi-providers-gives-information-nsa-27091.shtmlApr 13 12:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxbaltimore.com | Go-Go And Other Wi-Fi Providers Gives Information To NSA - WBFF Fox Baltimore - Top Stories [ http://ur1.ca/h2iu4 ]Apr 13 12:21
msb_ "Even if we are to believe the NSA, and I'm reluctant given its shaky track record, the damage has been done to the tech community."Apr 13 13:02
msb_Perhaps all the revelations of NSA spying have benefitted the tech community.  Apr 13 13:03
msb_Many techies tend to be apolitical, perhaps because technology provides such an enjoyable area of interest, while politics are unpleasant.Apr 13 13:04
msb_But now, a whole new array of people have been forced to realize how evil -- untrustworthy and harmful -- the U.S. government actually is.Apr 13 13:05
msb_It has hit them where they live.Apr 13 13:05
msb_Awareness of the evil is the most important factor in ridding the world of it.Apr 13 13:06
cubezzzwell that was interestingApr 13 13:06
cubezzzI actually managed to change the text consoleApr 13 13:06
msb_More and more people are questioning the 9/11 attacks, which were the pretext for the US/Israeli War of Terror.Apr 13 13:07
msb_Every increase in people's awareness of the dominator psychopaths is a step forward.Apr 13 13:08
cubezzzoiaohm, I mangaged to switch from bog standard 80x25 text to vga16fbApr 13 13:09
cubezzzanyways, it's in the log if you ever come across itApr 13 13:09
msb_Congrats cubezzz.  Yes, IIRC, you can do that with kernel options at startup.Apr 13 13:10
cubezzzmsb_, this is dynamicApr 13 13:10
msb_Oho!Apr 13 13:10
msb_So it's a loadable kernel module?Apr 13 13:11
cubezzzyesApr 13 13:11
cubezzzworks in 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, although those are the only 2 I've tried so farApr 13 13:13
cubezzznow the interesting part is... will this fix a messed up text consoleApr 13 13:13
msb_Exactly what I was going to ask.Apr 13 13:14
cubezzzwell I have to get it to mess up first to test thatApr 13 13:14
msb_How often has it been happening?Apr 13 13:14
cubezzzhaApr 13 13:14
cubezzzit happens about once or twice a monthApr 13 13:15
msb_Do you monitor your cpu and mobo temperature sensors?Apr 13 13:15
msb_KDE4 system monitor can do that.Apr 13 13:16
cubezzzyou can monitor my sensors :)Apr 13 13:16
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/cgi-bin/sensors.cgiApr 13 13:16
cubezzzI don't think I'm using -12V or -5VApr 13 13:18
cubezzzI think -12V was actually dropped from ATX a while backApr 13 13:18
msb_Isn't science wonderful!Apr 13 13:21
msb_What program gives you that listing?Apr 13 13:21
cubezzzit's part of lm_sensorsApr 13 13:26
cubezzzyeah KDE 3.X probably has somethingApr 13 13:28
cubezzzbut it's nice to be able to use it in text modeApr 13 13:28
msb_I just loaded an rpm that supposedly has it, but it's not showing up yet.  Have to look in half an hour when this anime' I'm watching is over.Apr 13 13:34
msb_There's so much I don't know.  I feel like I'm Dilbert going up against Techno-Bill!Apr 13 13:34
cubezzzwell I was in the video game industry for quite a whileApr 13 13:36
cubezzzso I picked up a bit about low-level stuffApr 13 13:37
msb_At least I was an expert on the IBM-PC.  Used to write wedges that went into the BIOS interrupt chains.Apr 13 13:37
cubezzzprobably the coreboot guys know the mostApr 13 13:37
cubezzzthe learning curve is a lot higher nowApr 13 13:38
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cubezzzso many different motherboards, chipsets, etcApr 13 13:38
msb_And I'm also putting a lot of effort into understanding and publicizing what's really going on in the world, e.g., http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911Apr 13 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneApr 13 13:40
msb_And  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYApr 13 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ]Apr 13 13:42
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schestowitzRussian propagandahttp://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_13/CIAs-head-has-come-to-Ukraine-to-instruct-power-agencies-unofficial-source-6354/ http://www.voanews.com/content/the-cias-cultural-war-against-soviet-russia/1890560.html Apr 13 13:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com | CIA's head has come to Ukraine to instruct power agencies - unofficial source - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/h2j8h ]Apr 13 13:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | The CIA’s Cultural War Against Soviet Russia [ http://ur1.ca/h2j8i ]Apr 13 13:50
schestowitz Federal Court: Drone Killing of U.S. Citizens Is Constitutional http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/18019-federal-court-drone-killing-of-u-s-citizens-is-constitutional and if this does not worry the population, nothing willApr 13 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenewamerican.com | Federal Court: Drone Killing of U.S. Citizens Is Constitutional [ http://ur1.ca/h2j9s ]Apr 13 13:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/455334379280027649Apr 13 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @schestowitz Not yet, I really hope something like #Heartbleed turns up in #Snowden's leaked docs. Exploits like this are their everyday jobApr 13 14:21
schestowitzOne job among several, and the goal is not to fix em :-)Apr 13 14:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455334172689965056  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455331932705128448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455330615530098688Apr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Links: Surveillance, Intervention, Torture and Drones http://t.co/XamlTGNwhU "spreading democracy", aggressivelyApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Links: Surveillance, Intervention, Torture and Drones | TechrightsApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CNN: "CIA...called things like waterboarding "enhanced interrogation methods." But the only adequate word to describe them is "torture.""Apr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: US Interrogator Calls CIA Program 'Stanford Prison Experiment Writ Large' http://t.co/TJX1jyKnlH experiment on live sampleApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessinsider.com | CIA Enhanced Interrogation Was Out Of Control - Business InsiderApr 13 14:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455330188617089024 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455329791148052480 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455329535081603072Apr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Rep. Ellison calls for speedy release of report on CIA interrogations http://t.co/5PQoTtYDmJ asking truth from the #cia a risky propositionApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.startribune.com | Rep. Ellison calls for speedy release of report on CIA interrogations | Star TribuneApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CIA profiling reminds US Arabs of the Mukhabarat http://t.co/zpxQBpK6Gz #mccarthyismApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thenational.ae | CIA profiling reminds US Arabs of the Mukhabarat | The NationalApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CIA's "harsh interrogations" exceeded legal authority - report http://t.co/4WS9azV99U hence, no authority exists above CIAApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> in.reuters.com | CIA's harsh interrogations exceeded legal authority - report | ReutersApr 13 14:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455329349622038528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455329102829207552    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455328531040727040    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455327946530914304Apr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It seems as though, based on sources inside the #nsa , #heatbleed used by NSA for years, but NSA denies it b/c there's no leaked docApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: One leak can do a while lot more than a lot of activism which can be denied as "false" http://t.co/ifh0lDLRte http://t.co/6QRsHVxm97Apr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.scmp.com | CIA tortured prisoners and lied to US Justice Department, Senate report says | South China Morning PostApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bradblog.com | Leaked Findings of Senate Report on 'CIA Torture and Detention' Detail Illegalities, Incompetence, Endangerment of National Security, War Crimes | The BRAD BLOGApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Now We Know What's Being Done In Our Name http://t.co/UAbbrrGWlA and we can do more to stop this. #snowden #wikileaksApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.esquire.com | CIA Torture Report Leak - Now We Know What's Being Done In Our Name - EsquireApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Those not distracted by #gop #propaganda (mostly Fox) over #morell may have seen reports such as (2013): http://t.co/H2aNSwbePCApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.telegraph.co.uk | CIA 'running arms smuggling team in Benghazi when consulate was attacked' - TelegraphApr 13 14:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455327240499503104  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455327240499503104  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455326743944253440Apr 13 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Syria #cia and #mi6 intervention: "Ankara worked with the US and Britain to smuggle Gaddafi's guns to rebel groups" http://t.co/XCgXFviy9nApr 13 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | MI6, the CIA and Turkey's rogue game in Syria - Comment - Voices - The IndependentApr 13 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The leaked report about #cia #torture reveals Zero Dark Thirty to be not just #propaganda but also #revisionism - #torture did not work.Apr 13 14:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455326398874664961  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455326042476249088  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455325254219755521  Apr 13 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "CIA misled the media and the public about the effectiveness of cruel and unusual" #torture http://t.co/t4aNRkO7vWApr 13 14:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When cracker does not work for government, s/he starts nuclear war. When cracker works for government, it's security. We are the Good Guys!Apr 13 14:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: According to #nytimes (Pentagon apologist), #obama is now cracker in chief and the whole nation should be proud of it. #crimeApr 13 14:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #oppression example of #cia and #nsa is now inspiring tyrannies elsewhere http://t.co/WLV4JdrjCU 'US model' spreads.Apr 13 14:29
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msb_Note the use of special words that somehow induce people to turn off their humanity.  "War" -- actually means attacking and invading a country that never did anything against the U.S., and murdering a million of its people.  But if the govt calls it "war" then Americans accept these MILLION MURDERS as being OK.  Whereas one murder makes headlines.Apr 13 15:30
msb_"Insurgent" actually means a person trying to defend their country against the American mass-murdering invaders.  But when these defenders are labelled "insurgents", then Americans think it's great to murder them.Apr 13 15:32
msb_...and torture them too.Apr 13 15:32
msb_The use of these propaganda words is a form of mind-control.Apr 13 15:33
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msb_Described by George Orwell in _1984_ (published in 1949) -- "We Have Always Been At War With Eastasia"Apr 13 15:36
SosuminoApr 13 15:38
Sosumithere are many forms of warApr 13 15:38
Sosumisome include slander or character assassinationApr 13 15:39
Sosumito economic warfareApr 13 15:39
Sosumieither in the form of sanctions or shipping the problem abroadApr 13 15:40
Sosumikind of like US did in 2008Apr 13 15:40
Sosumiin shipping its problems to the euroApr 13 15:40
Sosumitoo bad the characters upn the in frankfurt and bruxels failed to see thatApr 13 15:41
Sosumi*up there in Frankfurt...Apr 13 15:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455355416743272449 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455355856910303232Apr 13 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "readable, clear, innocent and straightforward as possible, and yet it must fail to perform at its apparent function" http://t.co/jgLf7v5rmLApr 13 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Who Pays the Price? The Human Cost of Electronics http://t.co/b2t99QhFPe #externalityApr 13 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #cia #nsa operation #ORCHESTRA http://t.co/vZU99Pcuh6 bringing people for #bugdoorsApr 13 15:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3920971Apr 13 15:50
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schestowitzhmm.. kills itApr 13 15:50
msb_Sosumi: Remember General Semantics -- *subscripting*.  A single word -- "war" -- may have many uses and meanings.  war1 does not equal  war2.  That doesn't disprove the fact that war1 is used as mind-control -- a trigger-word to make the listener turn off their humanity. Apr 13 15:51
Sosumiheartbleed only proved two thingsApr 13 15:51
Sosumi1, don't overwork yourselfApr 13 15:51
Sosumi2, you need proper quality assurance aka do the code reviewing with your head in the right placeApr 13 15:52
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Sosumimsb_ is at it again, trigger words, yes and standardized behaviour that come from the media and moviesApr 13 15:54
Sosumiwe "all" should know thatApr 13 15:54
Sosumibut nvmApr 13 15:54
Sosumior you'll blow it out of proportion as usualApr 13 15:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455357883958702080  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455358098153406464Apr 13 15:54
msb_Sosumi: Are you saying that when I note that most Americans are mind-controlled so they don't care if their government murders two million people, that I'm "blow[ing] it out of proportion" ?Apr 13 15:57
Sosumippl are so jaded right now about everything that they resort to all sorts of escapismApr 13 15:58
Sosumiin order to not hear abou problems any moreApr 13 15:58
Sosumiwhich takes to ask you if you know why the math book committed suicideApr 13 15:59
msb_Sosumi: So your explanation is not that they're being mindcontrolled but that they're "jaded"?Apr 13 15:59
Sosumi*meApr 13 15:59
Sosumibecause it was filled it problemsApr 13 15:59
Sosumisame thing, most folks can take 1 or 2 crisis at the same timeApr 13 16:00
msb_And yet people react to a single murder reported in the news.Apr 13 16:00
Sosumiafter that, puff mind blown and they can't take it anymoreApr 13 16:00
Sosumiand there comes your prozac and alikesApr 13 16:01
Sosumino idea of what goes on amerikkkan news channelsApr 13 16:01
SosumiI just report it how I observe it hereApr 13 16:01
Sosumiin lisbon or in londistanApr 13 16:01
msb_Well, the main thing is that our news never describes US atrocities accurately in context.Apr 13 16:02
msb_It always uses lying propaganda words like "insurgent".Apr 13 16:02
msb_The reason is simple: The US news media are controlled by the same ultra-wealthy psychopaths that control the US government.Apr 13 16:03
msb_schestowitz: The Underhanded C Contest is hilarious!Apr 13 16:06
schestowitzhttp://www.thelocal.de/20140402/german-town-passau-bans-mother-from-calling-child-wikileaksApr 13 16:27
schestowitzBut imposing Islam on baby is OKApr 13 16:27
schestowitzAnd in the UK the most common baby name is now an ethnic cleanser who married a 9-year-old after murdering her parentsApr 13 16:27
schestowitzinsurgent is a nebulous termApr 13 16:28
schestowitzyou might as well call insugents the additional troops that the US send to invasionsApr 13 16:29
schestowitzand remember who's being invader; reversal of roles here: people invade by trying to chase away an invaderApr 13 16:29
Sosumiisn't that called amarikkkan exceptionalismApr 13 16:35
msb_ schestowitz: America imposed Islam on Afghanistan by arming the Mujahiddeen in the 80's as a way of making trouble for the USSR.Apr 13 16:36
msb_Islam, and the related Judaism and Christianity, all have a genocidal psychopath deity, and all promote male-supremacy.  All are harmful and should not be imposed on anyone.  http://www.evilbible.com/Apr 13 16:38
msb_"insurgent" is a lying propaganda word used to label people who are trying to defend their country against a mass-murdering US invasion/takeover.  That's what the word is used for.Apr 13 16:40
Sosumihttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2MjcApr 13 16:47
Sosumi"The GNOME Foundation Is Running Short On Money"Apr 13 16:47
Sosumignome 3 is awesome, notApr 13 16:49
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schestowitzSosumi: see the reasonApr 13 17:14
schestowitzpromotion of feminism is not cheapApr 13 17:14
schestowitzequality does not, IMHO, require PRApr 13 17:14
schestowitzand Karen Sandler recently stepped downApr 13 17:14
schestowitzshe went back to SFLCApr 13 17:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455370228877504512 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455369176417579008    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455368771554009088Apr 13 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The British army doesn’t want you to know what it did in Afghanistan http://t.co/irZF1Fs3aV http://t.co/0Ag3n0XmQf http://t.co/IEnLLUncaVApr 13 17:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "The UK authorities are trying to block their own report on Afghanistan." http://t.co/touI57HHHA #uk #censorshipApr 13 17:16
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455366097899126786  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455365446603386881    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455364965969698816Apr 13 17:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: DOJ Seeks Dismissal of Case Challenging NDAA Indefinite Detention http://t.co/h0jneNtbor #cia #torture for #us citizens alsoApr 13 17:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Al-Qaeda and #cia fighting common enemies http://t.co/Fh1Rax8RneApr 13 17:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Thinking of Trying Linux Mint 16 Cinnemon on Old Systems http://t.co/Da0JbjXD29 #linuxmint #gnu #linuxApr 13 17:17
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SosumiI didn't know that something like an equal rights for male and female devs required moneyApr 13 17:26
Sosumilike putting some PR stuff on their website like "everyone is welcome to contribute"Apr 13 17:27
Sosumidoesn't seem like a money pitApr 13 17:27
Sosuminow if they misused the funds well, the ppl who did so must be held accountableApr 13 17:28
Sosumibut as for me, I'd just let gnome goApr 13 17:28
schestowitzdoesn't red hat sponsor it?Apr 13 17:35
Sosumithey doApr 13 17:36
Sosumibut I'd rather prefer that they didn'tApr 13 17:36
Sosumiand instead supported mate or enlightenment or windowmakerApr 13 17:37
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/samsungs-cancer-stricken-workers-are-focus-of-new-debate-in-south-korea/Apr 13 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Samsung’s cancer-stricken workers are focus of fresh debate in South Korea | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h2kkb ]Apr 13 17:44
cubezzzwrite your own wmApr 13 17:50
cubezzzpick the toolkit you like...Apr 13 17:51
Sosumino timeApr 13 17:51
cubezzzmodern jwm compiles in 30 secs or less :)Apr 13 18:11
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_Goblinschestowitz, you there?Apr 13 18:14
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roy_sebsebseb: Apr 13 21:18
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_GoblinWhat an interesting episode.....great stuff Roy...look forward to hearing it.Apr 13 21:32
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Sosumimore news about the hypephoneApr 13 22:08
Sosumiaside from the thiner design and a new cpu (so they say)Apr 13 22:08
Sosumiit'll still keep the paltry 1 GB ramApr 13 22:08
Sosumiwhich is laughable at bestApr 13 22:09
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MinceRnot as laughable as the OSApr 13 22:09
Sosumiand no details about the next iteration of the lsdOSApr 13 22:10
Sosumibut the samsung fork of android doesn't seem that great eitherApr 13 22:16
Sosumicompared to the lsdOSApr 13 22:17
Sosumione is lackingApr 13 22:17
Sosumithe other is bloatedApr 13 22:17
MinceRmy phone can handle that bloat :>Apr 13 22:19
Sosumiwhich phone do you have?Apr 13 22:19
MinceRsamsung galaxy note ii lteApr 13 22:20
Sosumihas samsung already released the kitkat update for it?Apr 13 22:21
MinceRdunnoApr 13 22:23
cubezzzyou'll be pleased to hear I don't own a hypephone :)Apr 13 23:24
MinceRgnApr 13 23:53
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Sosumicubezzz, judging you, I bet you're still using a motorola dynatacApr 14 06:28
Sosumi:)Apr 14 06:28
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msb_Hi MinceR!Apr 14 09:38
msb_MinceR: If you're there, I think there's a simple set of economic concepts that we could both agree on, and thereby stop fighting with each other, bringing up the past, and telling each other to go live somewhere.  If you're there, I'll lay it out.Apr 14 09:47
MinceRi'm hereApr 14 09:49
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msb_MinceR: OK, first some (alternative) sociology.  There are two types of society -- Partnership and Dominator.  In partnership societies everyone has fairly equivalent social standing, and they treat each other as they themselves would want to be treated.  In dominator societies, there is substantial stratification in wealth and power, with those at the top exploiting those below.Apr 14 10:14
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msb_MinceR: These terms are used in the seminal book _The Chalice and the Blade_, by Riane Eisler.  Essential reading!Apr 14 10:15
msb_MinceR: Dominator systems are run by psychopaths.Apr 14 10:16
msb_MinceR: Now to economics.  Capitalism and Socialism each have Partnership and Dominator versions.Apr 14 10:17
msb_MinceR: For capitalism, and example of a partnership system would be a wonderful market I shop at.  Every morning their trucks go to farms and farmers' markets and buy vegetables, bring them back to the urban market, and sell them cheaper than supermarkets -- often half the price.Apr 14 10:19
msb_MinceR: For dominator capitalism, an example is the US corporate/government system, which utilizes mass murder (millions of victims) for profit.  9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, ...Apr 14 10:21
msb_MinceR: For partnership socialism, there's Nicaragua, which has a democratically elected socialist government, and sharing of resources such as agricultural equipment.  For dominator socialism, there was Stalinist USSR.Apr 14 10:23
msb_MinceR's name is greyed out in the nick list.  I hope he can scroll back when he returns.Apr 14 10:24
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Sosumimsb_ againApr 14 10:47
Sosumiblowing everything out of proportionApr 14 10:47
msb_Sosumi: Please clarify.Apr 14 10:48
MinceRmsb_: i'm processing itApr 14 10:49
MinceRmsb_: the theory seems to make sense; i'm not sure about Nicaragua (or whether "partnership socialism" was ever implemented)Apr 14 10:51
MinceRmsb_: i'm looking up the bookApr 14 10:51
MinceRmaybe i'll rea ditApr 14 10:53
MinceRs/ d/d /Apr 14 10:54
MinceRalso, i'd say dominator capitalism occurs when the free market is distorted by market actors or the state, and/or when the state is captured by business, or vice versaApr 14 10:57
msb_MinceR: Here's a good page of links in Eisler's website:  http://www.partnershipway.org/about-cps/foundational-concepts/creating-a-partnership-cultureApr 14 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.partnershipway.org | Creating A Partnership Culture — Center for Partnership Studies [ http://ur1.ca/h2ran ]Apr 14 10:58
msb_and this one too:  http://www.partnershipway.org/about-cps/foundational-conceptsApr 14 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.partnershipway.org | Foundational Concepts — Center for Partnership Studies [ http://ur1.ca/h2rau ]Apr 14 10:58
msb_MinceR: David Korten bases his social/economic ideas on partnership/dominator  (From Empire to Community) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkYApr 14 11:01
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msb_MinceR: That video of Korten is *really* worth watching!Apr 14 11:03
MinceRi can't watch videos at work, thoughApr 14 11:04
msb_Can you watch it at home?Apr 14 11:04
MinceRindeedApr 14 11:04
msb_Great.Apr 14 11:04
msb_MinceR: Beyond the two problems of capitalism that you mentioned, another occurs when technology advances to the point where only a small fraction of the population has to work at 40hr/week jobs to produce enough goods and services for everyone.  We reached that point some time ago, and have filled in with make-work jobs like advertising, drug enforcement, victimless crime enforcement and large prison populations, real estate and stock speculation, etc.Apr 14 11:08
msb_MinceR: But actual unemployment in the US is at about 25% and rising.  Unless we adopt partnership principles of sharing and equality, we're going to have a lot of homeless starving people.Apr 14 11:10
MinceRi'm not worried about thatApr 14 11:10
MinceRif we can do menial work with machines, we can get more restApr 14 11:10
MinceRas long as the same (or greater) value is produced, why worry about wasting less time with work?Apr 14 11:11
msb_Yes, but how do people get money if there are not jobs for them?Apr 14 11:11
MinceRi don't knowApr 14 11:11
MinceRwhat i do know is that once we manage to eliminate scarcity, it won't matterApr 14 11:11
MinceRand technology will be instrumental in thatApr 14 11:12
msb_We can already eliminate scarcity.Apr 14 11:12
MinceRhopefully people can gradually transition to more mental jobs in the meantimeApr 14 11:12
msb_99% of the wealth is in the hands of 1% of the population.Apr 14 11:12
msb_If it were spread around better, there'd be no scarcity.Apr 14 11:12
msb_There aren't enough mental jobs to soak up the unemployed.Apr 14 11:13
msb_Not nearly enough.Apr 14 11:13
MinceRcompetition is pretty lacking in several markets, more jobs could be created thereApr 14 11:14
msb_In the limiting case, machines will provide all goods and services.  But no one will have a job or money, so they won't be able to buy any.Apr 14 11:14
msb_Competition is just another kind of make-work.Apr 14 11:14
MinceRexcept it's usefulApr 14 11:15
msb_Lots of different car companies doing the same R&D.  It's a waste of effort.Apr 14 11:15
MinceRwithout scarcity, nobody will need to buy anythingApr 14 11:15
MinceRnot necessarily the same R&DApr 14 11:15
MinceRthere are plenty of different pathsApr 14 11:15
msb_But in capitalism, someone always owns the machines, and will require payment for their products.Apr 14 11:16
msb_Ownership of the producing machines in common, and free access to their products is ...Socialism!Apr 14 11:16
MinceRi'm not sure if those concepts have meaning when there's no scarcityApr 14 11:17
msb_But what does "no scarcity" mean?  Who owns the machines that creates the goods and services?Apr 14 11:19
msb_creates--> createApr 14 11:19
MinceReveryone could own a swarm of nanobots that could be used to build the tools that are neededApr 14 11:21
MinceRfor exampleApr 14 11:21
msb_If the richest 1% didn't suck up 99% of the wealth now, we could all work 16hrs/week and have plenty.Apr 14 11:21
MinceRit could even be part of their bodyApr 14 11:21
msb_Nanobots are in the far future.  What we have now is computer-controlled robotic machines.  They can produce almost everything we need, but if they are owned by capitalists, no one will have a job to get money to buy the machines' products.Apr 14 11:23
msb_Nanobots are also very dangerous -- the "gray goo" problem.Apr 14 11:24
msb_A little programming error, and the whole planet is consumed.Apr 14 11:24
MinceRdon't let microsoft and apple program them, thenApr 14 11:25
msb_Anyone will be able to program them, and some will make mistakes.Apr 14 11:25
MinceRthen we will have countermeasuresApr 14 11:26
cubezzzsomeone has to fix the robots, unless you develop robots that can fix other robotsApr 14 11:26
cubezzzMincer :)Apr 14 11:26
msb_IIRC, Drexler said that everything on Earth will have to have a coating of defensive nanomachines to protect it.  Every blade of grass!Apr 14 11:27
cubezzzall those pie in the sky predictions never come true thoughApr 14 11:27
msb_Let's hope not!Apr 14 11:27
cubezzzno HAL 9000, no true AIApr 14 11:27
cubezzza self-programming computer, laughableApr 14 11:28
MinceRwhat's laughable about that?Apr 14 11:28
msb_But even a stupid AI, if programmed to protect itself and connected to military resources, could take over.Apr 14 11:28
cubezzzwe got windows insteadApr 14 11:28
MinceRwindows is dyingApr 14 11:29
cubezzzno computer can do what a human baby doesApr 14 11:29
msb_Asimov wrote various stories about robes that figured out how to circumvent the Three Laws!Apr 14 11:29
MinceRa human baby might be a computerApr 14 11:29
MinceRand a future human baby might contain computers :>Apr 14 11:30
cubezzzaugmentation, yesApr 14 11:31
cubezzzthat's possibleApr 14 11:31
msb_A clever but immoral lawyerbot could trash the Three Laws in microseconds!Apr 14 11:31
MinceRand human babies can exist in a universe simulated by a computerApr 14 11:31
cubezzzprogress is happening, it's just slower than Sci-Fi predicted, much much slowerApr 14 11:32
MinceRalso, every blade of grass is already constantly fighting with pathogens on the cellular scale :>Apr 14 11:33
cubezzzmy desktop hasn't really changed much in the last 10 yearsApr 14 11:47
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/old-desktop-2005.pngApr 14 11:47
msb_MinceR: But those pathogens had to *evolve* their methods of attack -- very slow.  Nanomachines, with nanocomputers, could simulate and evaluate attacks zillions of times faster.  The poor blade of grass wouldn't have a chance without a layer of protective nanomachnes.Apr 14 11:48
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/desktop-2014.pngApr 14 11:49
MinceRmsb_: not necessarily a layer -- the nanomachines could also be inside the blade of grassApr 14 11:50
msb_And inside every food crop.  Those diamond-based machines would make 'em really crunchy!Apr 14 11:51
MinceRthey could be ordered to come outApr 14 11:52
msb_"Sorry, we like it here."Apr 14 11:52
MinceRthen send in the killer nanomachinesApr 14 11:52
MinceRalso, i'm not sure how much we'd need food crops once we're infused with nanomachines and quite possibly not human anymore :>Apr 14 11:52
msb_I believe STTOS dealt with that situation: "EXISTENCE!... SURVIVAL... must cancel out... programming! "Apr 14 11:54
MinceR:)Apr 14 11:54
msb_If only Ruk had squeezed Kirk a little harder...Apr 14 11:54
cubezzzmind transferApr 14 11:56
cubezzzsome philosophical implications thereApr 14 11:57
msb_STTOS and Kirk trashed every single instance of advanced technology they could find, including immortality.Apr 14 11:57
cubezzzok, now we will upload your mind into windows 35Apr 14 11:57
cubezzzuhhh, no thanks :)Apr 14 11:57
cubezzzhe didn't trash Trelane's parents Apr 14 11:58
cubezzznot sure if that counts as tech thoughApr 14 11:58
msb_Anyhow What Are Little Girls Made Of? was self-contradictory.  Kirk's justification for destroying the bot-creation machinery was that the resulting ghost-in-the-shell had no emotions.  But the "native" bots did.  It could have been fixed.  But no immortality for us!  Apr 14 12:01
cubezzzthe Thasians were also quite advancedApr 14 12:01
cubezzzlots of uber-aliens in TOSApr 14 12:02
msb_When Spock got happy in another ep, Kirk made some sound generator that ruined it.  What a schmuck!Apr 14 12:02
MinceR:>Apr 14 12:03
cubezzzanother thing we don't really have that TOS did: computers you can talk toApr 14 12:03
msb_*Working*Apr 14 12:03
MinceRwe can talk to any computerApr 14 12:07
MinceRnot many of them listen, though :>Apr 14 12:07
cubezzzthe last big step forward was wwwApr 14 12:08
msb_WWW/Linux/FOSS is the nervous system of the evolving World CommunityApr 14 12:19
MinceRwhat about IRC? :>Apr 14 12:19
msb_Dat's good too!Apr 14 12:20
cubezzzIRC predates WWW :)Apr 14 12:20
cubezzzof course Microsoft had to try and muck things up with MSNPApr 14 12:21
MinceRand IRCXApr 14 12:22
msb_With WWW/Linux/FOSS, Cannabis, and Partnership/Eisler/Korten sociology, we can have a "soft landing" from the current fascist control system.  Everybody just relax, give the fascist rulers tens of millions of dollars each if they promise not to make any more trouble..Apr 14 12:23
cubezzzI've found thereApr 14 12:25
cubezzz's another force in software beyond Embrace, Extend, EntinguishApr 14 12:25
msb_Psychopaths can only survive inside a cloud of lying propaganda that hides them.  But with the Web, they are entirely exposed.Apr 14 12:25
msb_Evolve!Apr 14 12:26
cubezzzthere's also abandonment and resurrectionApr 14 12:26
msb_Resurrection (1980) with Ellen Burstyn is a great movie!  *Not* xtian propaganda.Apr 14 12:27
cubezzzs/eh/ex/Apr 14 12:27
cubezzzs/en/ex/ :-PApr 14 12:28
MinceRs/En/Ex/ :>Apr 14 12:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx Server 1.14.6 &Apr 14 12:59
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx Server 1.15.1 ReleasedApr 14 12:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cool and flexible: The Linux alternativeApr 14 13:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org | xorgApr 14 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | X.Org Server 1.14.6 & X.Org Server 1.15.1 Released | Tux MachinesApr 14 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cool and flexible: The Linux alternative | Tux MachinesApr 14 13:00
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/windows-phone-8-1-review-a-magnificent-smartphone-platform/Apr 14 13:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Windows Phone 8.1 review: a magnificent smartphone platform | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h2sb9 ]Apr 14 13:44
*cubezzz gagsApr 14 13:45
Sosumibut no mention of how much data the phone gathers from the userApr 14 13:45
Sosumiand transmits to M$Apr 14 13:45
cubezzzI'm having a devil of a time with this lit file :-/Apr 14 13:46
msb_There's a copy of Resurrection (1980) in Usenet.  Maybe the best movie ever made!Apr 14 13:46
msb_Or pay $20 to amazon for a disk.Apr 14 13:47
msb_cubezzz: What's a lit file?Apr 14 13:47
cubezzzmsb_, it's a file from Hell :)Apr 14 13:47
cubezzza type of ebook, microsoft only Apr 14 13:48
msb_Type of e-book?Apr 14 13:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     With Death of Windows XP, Now Is Perfect TimeApr 14 13:48
TweetTuxMachines                 to Switch to Linux http://t.co/sqHYr06VPHApr 14 13:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | With Death of Windows XP, Now Is Perfect Time to Switch to Linux | Tux MachinesApr 14 13:48
TweetTuxMachines@BigDickStallman  @tuxmachines When will you peons learn? It'sApr 14 13:48
TweetTuxMachines                 called GNU/Linux, NOT Linux.Apr 14 13:48
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*TweetTuxMachines @methadonna retweeted @BigDickStallman: '@tuxmachines When will you peons learn? It's called...'Apr 14 13:48
MinceRhe has a pointApr 14 13:49
msb_cubezzz: Never thought I'd say this, but apparently there's a "clit" program for that.Apr 14 13:50
msb_google for          linux "lit file"Apr 14 13:51
cubezzzdoesn't compile unfortunatelyApr 14 13:52
msb_Probably just needs a little massaging.Apr 14 13:54
msb_It's just text-to-text, after all.Apr 14 13:54
cubezzzit's encryptedApr 14 13:55
msb_Ick!Apr 14 13:55
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msb_The lit file is encrypted?Apr 14 13:56
cubezzzyesApr 14 13:56
msb_Have to go to Redmond and beat it out of them!Apr 14 13:56
msb_What's the book?Apr 14 13:56
cubezzzjust a startrek book, nothing important :)Apr 14 13:57
cubezzzhmmm, it needs libtommath.a for some reasonApr 14 13:58
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/russian_market/status/455670226278158336Apr 14 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@russian_market: Oops. The acting PM of Ukraine Yatsenyuk meets the Swiss President in Kiev by Danish flag. - Time to grow up, kids! http://t.co/hdk1fh2SwUApr 14 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@russian_market: Oops. The acting PM of Ukraine Yatsenyuk meets the Swiss President in Kiev by Danish flag. - Time to grow up, kids! http://t.co/hdk1fh2SwUApr 14 14:31
SosumilolApr 14 14:32
Sosuminow there's a case to yellApr 14 14:32
SosumiFALSE FLAG!Apr 14 14:32
MinceR"Definite proof that people who captured Slavyansk police department aren't russians:" Apr 14 14:35
MinceR                  http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=217237&d=1397477131Apr 14 14:35
Sosumiare they emptying vodka bottles into the ground?Apr 14 14:36
MinceRthat's what it looks likeApr 14 14:38
Sosumiwhat a crimeApr 14 14:38
MinceRbut then again, it could be just about any clear liquidApr 14 14:38
Sosumiwell even if it was waterApr 14 14:38
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DaemonFChttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/13/1454215/the-gnome-foundation-is-running-out-of-moneyApr 14 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | The GNOME Foundation Is Running Out of Money - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/h2t9q ]Apr 14 15:19
DaemonFCThe mail truck is here.Apr 14 15:32
DaemonFCAs soon as I get that modem, I can call Comcast and tell them to take theirs off of my account. :)Apr 14 15:32
Sosumiin soviet russia, the modem gets youApr 14 15:49
MinceRIn Soviet Russia, browser keeps tabs on YOU!!Apr 14 15:49
MinceRIn capitalism, man exploits man. In socialism, it's the other way around.Apr 14 15:50
Sosumi:)Apr 14 15:50
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DaemonFCAmazon sent me a wifi range extender instead of my cable modem.Apr 14 16:40
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DaemonFCI called to complain, and they sent me a return label and said that they'd get me my modem shipped out by UPS overnight.Apr 14 16:41
Sosumiand I thinking they'd deliver it by the hand of a real amazonApr 14 16:43
Sosumisilly me for thinking such thing...Apr 14 16:44
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abeNd-orgyea, only problem with those amazon goddesses is if you don't pass their tests, they kill you on the spotApr 14 17:06
DaemonFCI reviewed my Chromebook.Apr 14 17:49
DaemonFCand Chrome OSApr 14 17:49
DaemonFCSosumi: It pisses me off. It's either a mispick or they have the wrong item at the picking location.Apr 14 17:50
DaemonFCIf I get another wifi range extender tomorrow, I'm going to be fuming.Apr 14 17:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Arrives on AprilApr 14 17:54
TweetTuxMachines                 17, Three Features to Look Forward toApr 14 17:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Arrives on April 17, Three Features to Look Forward to | Tux MachinesApr 14 17:54
DaemonFCThen there's Ubuntu 14.04 Long Term Support Klingon Edition.Apr 14 18:02
DaemonFCThe Trusty Targ.Apr 14 18:02
MinceRhttp://topekasnews.com/oklahoma-protesters-threaten-secdee-union-neil-degrasse-tysons-cosmos-cancelled/Apr 14 18:16
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MinceRi say let them Secdee.Apr 14 18:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ozon OS Will Be One of the Most Beautiful LinuxApr 14 18:21
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Sosumihttp://semiaccurate.com/2014/04/10/samsung-breaks-intel-xeon-ndas-press-release/Apr 14 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-semiaccurate.com | Samsung breaks Intel Xeon NDAs in a press release - SemiAccurate [ http://ur1.ca/h2w62 ]Apr 14 19:15
Sosumijustifying their ramp up for ddr4 ramApr 14 19:16
Sosumitom ryan of semmiacurateApr 14 19:21
SosumiThis brings me to another point that I’d like to make about clutter. Windows 8 started out with a very minimalist UI that has with every update become not only more like its predecessors but also more cluttered with additional ways to complete the same basic task. Do users really need this many ways to get to the same apps and settings? More to the point though, with the impending return of the start menu we’ll have yet another way to aApr 14 19:21
Sosumiccess the same apps and settings. When will users be satisfied; and more importantly when will Microsoft quit giving its users a half-dozen ways to reinvent the wheel?Apr 14 19:21
Sosumiall trueApr 14 19:21
cubezzzI'm still waiting for OEMs to break away from M$Apr 14 19:30
MinceRso am iApr 14 19:31
cubezzzBe was in discussions with Dell, Compaq, Micron and HitachiApr 14 19:37
cubezzzonly Hitachi actually shipped computers with BeOSApr 14 19:37
cubezzzand the story is even sadder than thatApr 14 19:38
cubezzzHitachi made changes to the boot loader rendering BeOS invisible to the consumer before they shippedApr 14 19:38
cubezzzit was the Flora PriusApr 14 19:39
DaemonFCI love my Chromebook.Apr 14 19:39
DaemonFCI don't think I'm going to be buying another tablet.Apr 14 19:39
cubezzzso it was Win98 and invisible BeOSApr 14 19:39
DaemonFCBeOS wasn't terribly well designed.Apr 14 19:40
MinceRprobably still a lot better designed than any m$ producApr 14 19:40
MinceRtApr 14 19:40
MinceRit doesn't take muchApr 14 19:41
cubezzzthere's still HaikuApr 14 19:41
cubezzzbut the point kind of was... an OEM tried to stand up to the big M and they got "visited"Apr 14 19:41
cubezzzthen the boot loader was changedApr 14 19:41
cubezzzthis was around 1998-1999Apr 14 19:43
cubezzzfor FREE mind youApr 14 19:43
cubezzzBe Corp was offering BeOS for free to OEMsApr 14 19:44
cubezzzseems to me the DOJ didn't kick the right buttsApr 14 19:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GCC 4.9 Compiler Optimization Benchmarks ForApr 14 19:57
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DaemonFCI talked to my former landlord.Apr 14 19:57
DaemonFCHe said that he thinks that with my credit, I could get a mortgage at 3%.Apr 14 19:58
DaemonFCI'm tired of renting and having a landlord telling me who I can have over at my house, and nosy neighbors that report you if you have a guest over for more than 4 days....Apr 14 19:58
amarsh04I've just had a bit of a back and forth on the ffmpeg bug tracker - there are problems compiling it under gcc-4.9.0 RC1Apr 14 19:59
amarsh04as in, code compiles, but doesn't run properlyApr 14 20:00
amarsh04meanwhile the linux kernel has compiled and run ok under development releases of gcc-4.9 for quite a whileApr 14 20:01
cubezzzthis sums things up quite well:Apr 14 20:02
cubezzzhttp://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/Apr 14 20:02
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cubezzzSosumi, ha I just scrolled backApr 14 20:21
cubezzzno, I've never owned or even operated a cell phone of any kindApr 14 20:21
cubezzzbut if I did it would be a dynatac :)Apr 14 20:22
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SosumibuuuuuuuuApr 14 20:28
Sosumiyou should have a nokia 8110 insteadApr 14 20:29
Sosumiand a pair of shadesApr 14 20:29
Sosumibecause you are that kewlApr 14 20:29
Sosumi:)Apr 14 20:29
cubezzzI was the first one out of the Matrix :)Apr 14 20:30
cubezzzactually it feels more like I'm older than the matrixApr 14 20:32
Sosumimaybe the matrix is all in your headApr 14 20:33
Sosumiand "we" are nothing but mere pawns at the mercy of youApr 14 20:33
Sosumi:)Apr 14 20:34
MinceRlol nokiaApr 14 20:34
Sosumihttp://fails.net/fails/nokia-tyres.jpgApr 14 20:36
cubezzzminimalism, not solipsism :)Apr 14 20:43
MinceRthat's nokian nowApr 14 20:43
MinceRand has been for a long timeApr 14 20:44
Sosumino ideaApr 14 20:45
Sosuminever seen nokia tyres on sale hereApr 14 20:45
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sebsebsebhiApr 14 20:45
Sosumiseb³Apr 14 20:46
Sosumiare are your tyres treating you?Apr 14 20:46
Sosumi*howApr 14 20:46
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-cleaner.jpgApr 14 20:48
MinceR:)Apr 14 20:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     UK's IT security agency: Communities are keyApr 14 20:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to run XP on Linux Mint with OracleApr 14 20:51
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roy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrH_zkWGIHM&feature=youtu.be4Apr 14 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qt4 Music Player `YaRock` 0.9.66 Released WithApr 14 20:59
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roy_US in 2013Apr 14 21:33
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*TweetTuxMachines @RedditUbuntu favourited 'Canonical Releases the Most Stable and Advanced Ubuntu...'Apr 14 22:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat announces OpenShift MarketplaceApr 14 22:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/1rRf5gUlb6Apr 14 22:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/OJJBqH3ZIKApr 14 22:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/H8P7BZCb0AApr 14 22:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat announces OpenShift Marketplace | Tux MachinesApr 14 22:52
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msb_cubezzz: The Matrix is very real and has been around for many centuries.  Way before Bernays.  JCI religion is a big part of it.  But you were among those who awakened in the 20th Century.  When were you born?Apr 14 23:02
msb_Early enough to buy a VIC-20!Apr 14 23:04
msb_And an Amiga.   http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/Amiga.jpgApr 14 23:05
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cubezzz1965Apr 14 23:35
cubezzzthe amiga and the vic-20 still workApr 14 23:35
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Guest90063anyone know how to contact the Techrights.org team?Apr 14 23:47
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DaemonFCSpent all day helping the bf fill out job applications.Apr 15 02:15
DaemonFCHe's had a couple of calls for interviews already.Apr 15 02:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/eoD739YU6jApr 15 03:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cinnamon 2.2 out not, ready for Linux Mint 17Apr 15 07:22
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MinceRhttps://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cloud-to-butt-plus/apmlngnhgbnjpajelfkmabhkfapgnoai?hl=enApr 15 07:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New MakuluLinux Released and ReviewedApr 15 09:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux and the Post-XP Cry for HelpApr 15 09:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New MakuluLinux Released and Reviewed | Tux MachinesApr 15 09:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android TV box to run KitKat on quad-coreApr 15 09:15
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MinceRgeekingsApr 15 09:16
msb_MinceR: Hi!  Did you watch that video of David Korten?Apr 15 12:34
MinceRnot yetApr 15 12:34
msb_It's all about changing the story, the context, in your mind through which you see things.Apr 15 12:36
msb_MinceR: He's not saying people should give up their private propitty.  But we should have sharing and empathy as primary values shaping our economic system so that everyone can thrive, not just those at the top and the (ever-shrinking now) middle.Apr 15 12:39
msb_MinceR: There's a deep, fundamental difference between families having their own home, cars, etc., and Monsanto and Microsoft having so much money that they can hurt people and buy the government, and no one can stop them.Apr 15 12:41
MinceRi think the main problem there is that m$ is incentivized to do harmApr 15 12:42
MinceRand not punishedApr 15 12:42
msb_MinceR: Conservatives and Libertarians always point us toward families, so we conclude that, of course they should have their private property.  But they point us away from the ultra-wealthy and corporations that harm people for profit with their private property.Apr 15 12:43
MinceRwhat has liberalism have to do with families?Apr 15 12:44
msb_Psychopaths can always find ways to make a profit by harming people.  Reality incentivizes them.Apr 15 12:44
msb_Liberalism says (or at least should say) that the economic system should help families to thrive, instead of taking 99% of the wealth and giving it to the 1% richest people, which is what we have now.Apr 15 12:46
msb_MinceR: If rich people were satisfied when they had enough wealth to live, or even 10 or 100 times the amount they need to live, everything would be fine, because they'd leave the rest for the non-rich.Apr 15 12:51
msb_MinceR: But they're never satisfied.  A pigeon in a Skinner-box keeps pecking the switch until the cage fills up with food and it suffocates.  But the wealthy under capitalism keep grabbing more and more until the non-wealthy 99% starve and lose their homes.Apr 15 12:52
MinceRpunishment and incapacitation disincentivizes psychopaths.Apr 15 12:53
msb_So how would you punish and incapacitate corporate owners who keep most of the profits for themselves instead of paying most of it to their workers as wages?Apr 15 12:54
msb_MinceR: Even though the corporate owners say that the profits belong to them as "private property" because they own the corporations.Apr 15 12:56
msb_MinceR: That's how the "private propery" concept causes harm when it's extended to the realm of great wealth.Apr 15 12:58
MinceRthat's when the corporate veil needs to be pierced.Apr 15 13:01
cubezzzwell one way to share the wealth is to buy shares Apr 15 13:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Slick Ubuntu Mobile OS previewed again, butApr 15 13:22
TweetTuxMachines                 we’re still waiting for a release dateApr 15 13:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PCLinuxOS LXDE 2014.04 Is a Light and PowefulApr 15 13:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slick Ubuntu Mobile OS previewed again, but we’re still waiting for a release date | Tux MachinesApr 15 13:22
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cubezzze.g. in 2003 I bought some red hat shares, I shared in the wealth of the companyApr 15 13:22
cubezzzof course you need some money to get startedApr 15 13:24
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msb_MinceR: But once the corporate veil is pierced, what's the next step?  If the main crime being committed by corporate owners is paying the workers too little and keeping too much for themselves, how do you fix that within the current rules/framework of capitalism?Apr 15 13:32
MinceRthat doesn't seem to be the main crime in the case you quotedApr 15 13:32
MinceRalso, i see no reason why workers should be stuck with microsoft, other than microsoft making it difficult or impossible for competitors to exist and operateApr 15 13:33
msb_That's the main crime in general!  Apr 15 13:33
msb_That's why 1% of the population has 99% of the wealth, and the other 99% of the people have to make do on a total of 1%.Apr 15 13:34
msb_That's a wealth ratio of 10,000 to 1 !Apr 15 13:38
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cubezzzthis is old but still interesting:Apr 15 13:58
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cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/storming-castle-redmond.jpgApr 15 13:58
cubezzzI declare victory over Encarta :)Apr 15 14:00
MinceR:)Apr 15 14:02
cubezzzsome stats say that IE is less than 25% now, a huge changeApr 15 14:03
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MinceRindeedApr 15 14:14
msb_Here's a picture of an annoyed penguin:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/kmfms-final.jpgApr 15 14:16
MinceRKMFMS is a nice siteApr 15 14:17
msb_Yes, that bird is slightly ticked-off.Apr 15 14:19
msb_KMFMS stands for Kein Mitleid Für MicroSoft. It's a German acronym meaning "no pity for Microsoft."Apr 15 14:23
MinceRindeedApr 15 14:23
msb_From their FAQ.Apr 15 14:24
MinceRi've read itApr 15 14:24
msb_Here's another PO'ed penguin:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/Linux_Wallpaper_Good_evening_Mr_Gates_Ill_Be_Your_Server_01.jpgApr 15 14:30
msb_Does that look too dark too anyone else?  I had to boost my gamma a bit to see the darker parts.Apr 15 14:32
msb_too-->toApr 15 14:32
msb_e.g., his faceApr 15 14:33
MinceRlooks fine hereApr 15 14:33
cubezzzhahaApr 15 14:36
cubezzzthere should be a tooth flying out of his mouth to complete the effectApr 15 14:36
cubezzzyeah no kidding no pityApr 15 14:38
cubezzzno pity for stealing PDP-10 computer timeApr 15 14:38
msb_I like this one a little better:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/Linux_Wallpaper_Good_evening_Mr_Gates_Ill_Be_Your_Server_01G2A.jpgApr 15 14:42
cubezzzyou lose contrast by boosting the gamma too muchApr 15 14:43
msb_My settings are such that the KMFMS pic looks fine, but this one needs gamma=2Apr 15 14:44
msb_No wonder people need $2000 photometry setups to get this right.Apr 15 14:45
cubezzzfolks are way too pedestrian in their choices of operating systemsApr 15 14:46
cubezzzback in the 80s we really did have more choicesApr 15 14:46
cubezzzthere was Apple, Atari, Commodore, and Tandy (probably other ones I've forgotten)Apr 15 14:47
msb_Back then most computer users were knowledgeable about computers.  Now everybody has one, and very few know much about them.Apr 15 14:48
msb_Those who do use Linux, of course.Apr 15 14:48
msb_Anyhow, I'm using the settings that make most movies look right, and it needs gamma 2 on the server pic.Apr 15 14:50
cubezzzthis is a list of what I actually use:Apr 15 14:51
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.or/other/os-usage-list.txtApr 15 14:51
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cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/os-usage-list.txtApr 15 14:51
msb_OMG is that the Brain From Planet AROS?Apr 15 14:52
MinceRhttp://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aEwQmqK_460sa.gifApr 15 14:53
cubezzzhahaApr 15 14:54
cubezzzthat was Arous, not Aros :)Apr 15 14:55
cubezzzAROS is an open source version of AmigaDos 3.1Apr 15 14:56
msb_MinceR: Wow, that is one seriously weird gif file!Apr 15 15:06
msb_I wanted to single-step it.  mplayer wouldn't play it (no surprise).  I fed it to xv, which gave about 400 error messages and wouldn't quit!  When I deleted each one it put up another, and when I switched to another desktop it came back and put the error message under the mouse pointer.  I wanted to type killall xv but I couldn't.  Eventually it ran down and quit.  Gwenview (and firefox) display it, but I don't know how to make either one pause.Apr 15 15:10
msb_On another topic, I hope everyone has seen the movie Antitrust (2001).  If not, there's a good copy of it in that naughty place right now.Apr 15 15:12
cubezzzthe gimp might be able to single step an animated gifApr 15 15:13
MinceRi just watched it in firefox :>Apr 15 15:15
msb_Sure, it plays fine in firefox.  A great work of art!  but it goes by too fast to see some of the details.  Apr 15 15:16
msb_MinceR: Or do you mean Antitrust?Apr 15 15:16
MinceRthe gifApr 15 15:17
MinceRi did have to go through a few cycles to see some of the details, thoughApr 15 15:17
msb_Pretty wild!Apr 15 15:19
DaemonFC2 secs · Apr 15 15:31
DaemonFCSomeone told me something that I found to be disturbing a couple of days ago.Apr 15 15:31
DaemonFCThe school systems in Indiana are not just wasting taxpayer dollars on Crapple iBads anymore. They're forcing parents, even poor ones, to pay full price for these malicious, proprietary, user-subjugating devices.Apr 15 15:31
DaemonFCTo add insult to injury, the schools *could* buy Chromebooks for $150 each that do everything the iBad can and more, which shows how wasteful their buying practices are.Apr 15 15:31
DaemonFCCrapple takes the money from the government contracts, and uses some of it to turn around and buy our elections, making sure that politicians force parents and taxpayers to buy more Crapple iCrap later on.Apr 15 15:31
DaemonFC2 secs · Apr 15 15:33
DaemonFCThen, while all this expensive Crapple iCrap is being "procured", I got a letter in the mail the other day from Dan Leonard, telling us how frugal the Indiana Politburo Republicans are being with our money.Apr 15 15:33
DaemonFCThere's nothing like fascism that comes back and pisses on you while it's telling you that it's raining.Apr 15 15:34
MinceRindeedApr 15 15:35
msb_The IPud doesn't have a real keyboard, so it's pretty tedious to *originate* content.  Tablets are designed for consumption of content, and users should keep their mouths shut.Apr 15 15:42
msb_When tablets become fully voice-operated, users will be called Eloi.Apr 15 15:47
MinceR:>Apr 15 15:47
MinceRthere's some convergence between tablet computers and laptopsApr 15 15:47
msb_And you know what that makes us...Apr 15 15:47
msb_We don't *have* to eat them, though.  Yuck.Apr 15 15:48
cubezzzanyone remember these:Apr 15 15:49
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/wrist-terminal.jpgApr 15 15:49
msb_It needs a real keyboard, and a good-sized screen.  If it has some extras from tablets too, thatApr 15 15:49
msb_'s fine.Apr 15 15:49
msb_I remember the Dick Tracy wrist radio from the funnies.Apr 15 15:51
msb_cubezzz: what did those things actually do?Apr 15 15:51
cubezzzmsb_, it can interface with serial devicesApr 15 15:52
cubezzze.g. Commodore 64, Apple II, Tandy Color Computer, etcApr 15 15:53
msb_Did it have a DB-25 to nano-phone-plug adapter?Apr 15 15:54
msb_Do you have one?Apr 15 15:55
cubezzzalas, noApr 15 15:55
cubezzzthis will explain it a bit more:Apr 15 15:56
msb_Darn, you could port Linux to it.Apr 15 15:56
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/wrist-terminal-ad.jpgApr 15 15:56
cubezzzpretty neat for 1984Apr 15 15:57
cubezzzI didn't even know about those back thenApr 15 15:58
msb_THat wasn't from Mad Magazine?Apr 15 15:58
cubezzzHome Computing WeeklyApr 15 15:58
msb_Maybe our planet was bombarded by a swarm of Strange Particles.  But when?Apr 15 16:01
msb_Things have always been pretty strange here.Apr 15 16:01
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cubezzzoriginal price: £50Apr 15 16:02
cubezzzmsb_, it definitely existedApr 15 16:04
msb_I want a wrist Turing Machine!Apr 15 16:04
cubezzzthere's the Pebble...Apr 15 16:04
cubezzzlots of smartwatches nowadaysApr 15 16:04
DaemonFCSo, Amazon is making a phone now?Apr 15 16:06
DaemonFCFire Phone?Apr 15 16:06
cubezzzActually the Pebble was a kickstarter project that did very wellApr 15 16:06
msb_Who here has seen Ghost In The Shell?Apr 15 16:07
msb_Now showing Sunday mornings on the Cartoon Network.Apr 15 16:08
msb_Wow, there's a new series GITS Arise.Apr 15 16:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     BitTorrent Client FrostWire 5.7.2 FinallyApr 15 16:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samba 4.0.17 Launches with Multiple FixesApr 15 16:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samba 4.0.17 Launches with Multiple Fixes | Tux MachinesApr 15 16:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Efl and Elementary 1.9.3 and EnlightenmentApr 15 16:43
TweetTuxMachines                 0.18.7 release http://t.co/cLfhiESQFhApr 15 16:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h36mqApr 15 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Efl and Elementary 1.9.3 and Enlightenment 0.18.7 release | Tux MachinesApr 15 16:43
gde33http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/801568/?autoplay=trueApr 15 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebaumsworld.com | Idiocracy - Video [ http://ur1.ca/h36s7 ]Apr 15 17:06
cubezzzanother choice in FOSS operating systems:Apr 15 17:55
cubezzzhttp://freertos.orgApr 15 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freertos.org | FreeRTOS - Market leading RTOS (Real Time Operating System) for embedded systems with Internet of Things extensionsApr 15 17:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     BitTorrent Client FrostWire 5.7.2 FinallyApr 15 18:47
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Brings uTP Support http://t.co/2SoDfbv7foApr 15 18:47
TweetTuxMachines @_Goblin        Apr 15 18:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h37fgApr 15 18:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNU/Linux in India http://t.co/fQ15y51ff6Apr 15 18:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h37fhApr 15 18:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     No, the iPhone 6 is not going to demolishApr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Android http://t.co/qRqpI2yg7AApr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h37fiApr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Live from the Summit: All hands on cloud withApr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat CEO http://t.co/gUxHfiiIKdApr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h37fjApr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     More evidence that the Linux wars have moved toApr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines                 OpenStack http://t.co/xoJ5ynD2GFApr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h37fkApr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 21 To Evaluate Remote Journal Logging,Apr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines                 64-bit ARM Emulation http://t.co/9Yey6uTrRbApr 15 18:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h37flApr 15 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux in India | Tux MachinesApr 15 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | No, the iPhone 6 is not going to demolish Android | Tux MachinesApr 15 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Live from the Summit: All hands on cloud with Red Hat CEO | Tux MachinesApr 15 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More evidence that the Linux wars have moved to OpenStack | Tux MachinesApr 15 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 21 To Evaluate Remote Journal Logging, 64-bit ARM Emulation | Tux MachinesApr 15 18:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PCLinuxOS 2014.04 Officially Released, Is BasedApr 15 20:45
TweetTuxMachines                 on KDE 4.12.3 and Linux Kernel 3.12.16Apr 15 20:45
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/jGRRZmjKOPApr 15 20:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Releases An AutoFDO Converter For PerfApr 15 20:45
TweetTuxMachines                 In LLVM http://t.co/3K4KKMEb0AApr 15 20:45
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h383qApr 15 20:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux is about to take over the desktop but notApr 15 20:45
TweetTuxMachines                 like you think it will http://t.co/37aiNlpNDuApr 15 20:45
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h383rApr 15 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PCLinuxOS 2014.04 Officially Released, Is Based on KDE 4.12.3 and Linux Kernel 3.12.16 | Tux MachinesApr 15 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Releases An AutoFDO Converter For Perf In LLVM | Tux MachinesApr 15 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux is about to take over the desktop but not like you think it will | Tux MachinesApr 15 20:46
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cubezzzI think some of the chromebooks come with seabios nowApr 15 21:13
cubezzzthat could mean that the chromebook is pretty close to 100% FOSSApr 15 21:15
cubezzzfolks are installing Arch Linux on the Acer C720Apr 15 21:16
cubezzzit has to be enabled but it doesn't look hard to doApr 15 21:16
Sosumihttp://techpinions.com/say-goodbye-to-microsoft/29242Apr 15 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techpinions.com | Say Goodbye To Microsoft | Tech.pinions - Perspective, Insight, Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h38b0 ]Apr 15 21:24
Sosumino, no, no and NOApr 15 21:24
Sosumithe very definition of a M$ product is thisApr 15 21:25
Sosumihttp://daisydesk.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/100_0751.jpgApr 15 21:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Looking for a Windows XP Replacement? PCLinuxOSApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines                 MATE 2014.04 Might Be the AnswerApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/cxWWPz4giMApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h38edApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Source: Steam Controller will be available inApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines                 "October or November" http://t.co/gUoAWTf7PPApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h38eeApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android (Linux) is creating more jobs thanApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines                 iPhone http://t.co/6DJGlE2oBnApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h38efApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Beautiful Zukitwo Theme for GNOME 3.12 Gets anApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Update http://t.co/NRGD6k3GeDApr 15 21:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat To Bring Docker Support To EnterpriseApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux And OpenShift http://t.co/lRmlNphxQQApr 15 21:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h38ehApr 15 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Looking for a Windows XP Replacement? PCLinuxOS MATE 2014.04 Might Be the Answer | Tux MachinesApr 15 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Source: Steam Controller will be available in "October or November" | Tux MachinesApr 15 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android (Linux) is creating more jobs than iPhone | Tux MachinesApr 15 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beautiful Zukitwo Theme for GNOME 3.12 Gets an Update | Tux MachinesApr 15 21:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu chases enterprise cloud with ServerApr 15 22:44
TweetTuxMachines                 14.04 release http://t.co/DW05D9u1nBApr 15 22:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h38t1Apr 15 22:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PCLinuxOS FullMonty 2014.04 Has Six SeparateApr 15 22:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Desktops Filled with Goodies – GalleryApr 15 22:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/H3l2e15v4hApr 15 22:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/zfZp315YFtApr 15 22:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu chases enterprise cloud with Server 14.04 release | Tux MachinesApr 15 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PCLinuxOS FullMonty 2014.04 Has Six Separate Desktops Filled with Goodies – Gallery | Tux MachinesApr 15 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesApr 15 22:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/FgA8XNEk8QApr 16 01:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h39i6Apr 16 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesApr 16 01:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/ovK0RvoS9WApr 16 01:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     This Week in Techrights http://t.co/Dstyby3wTYApr 16 01:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesApr 16 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Week in Techrights | Tux MachinesApr 16 01:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Clonezilla Live 2.2.2-37 Distro FeaturesApr 16 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 Updated Packages http://t.co/XmXwWYiH6eApr 16 02:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 release candidateApr 16 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 arrives http://t.co/fpIBvNyRyiApr 16 02:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clonezilla Live 2.2.2-37 Distro Features Updated Packages | Tux MachinesApr 16 02:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux module controls micro-helicoptersApr 16 04:16
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/3lbz0MdzE3Apr 16 04:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h3akoApr 16 04:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     April 2014 Project of the Month, Free PascalApr 16 04:16
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/5L00rvCXnuApr 16 04:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux module controls micro-helicopters | Tux MachinesApr 16 04:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Rugged Android fleet computer offers 3G, GPS,Apr 16 04:16
TweetTuxMachines                 CANbus http://t.co/ihOdQCzlSDApr 16 04:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | April 2014 Project of the Month, Free Pascal | Tux MachinesApr 16 04:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     14 Features of Xubuntu 14.04Apr 16 10:07
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/NWIsiLXvvXApr 16 10:07
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h3cbuApr 16 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 14 Features of Xubuntu 14.04 | Tux MachinesApr 16 10:07
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DaemonFCI got my new cable modem/router.Apr 16 12:34
DaemonFCMuch nicer than Comcast's.Apr 16 12:34
MinceR:)Apr 16 12:38
DaemonFCMinceR: It included a copy of the GNU General Public License.Apr 16 12:59
MinceR:)Apr 16 12:59
DaemonFCUnder system requirements, it says "Linux" is a supported operating system.Apr 16 13:00
DaemonFCWell, now I can get rid of another one of life's little ripoffs.Apr 16 13:00
DaemonFCModem rental fee.Apr 16 13:00
cubezzzI did that 10 years ago :)Apr 16 13:00
DaemonFCYeah. I was waiting for a good deal on a combination unit that supported the latest standards.Apr 16 13:02
cubezzzhow much was the rental fee?Apr 16 13:02
DaemonFCI didn't feel like getting stuck on something that didn't support ipv6 or DOCSIS 3.Apr 16 13:02
DaemonFC$8 a monthApr 16 13:02
cubezzz8 * 12 * 10 = $960Apr 16 13:03
DaemonFCThe price for the Netgear N450 cable modem/router on Amazon fell to $99.99.Apr 16 13:03
DaemonFCAnd I got 3% off for using my Amazon Visa.Apr 16 13:03
DaemonFCyeah, but up until 2012, it was only $3 a month.Apr 16 13:03
DaemonFCThen in 2013, it was $5, and then in 2014, it is now $8.Apr 16 13:03
DaemonFCSo, basically, the rental fee is killing you now, compared to owning.Apr 16 13:04
DaemonFCIt pays for itself in 12 months, and then starts saving you money.Apr 16 13:04
DaemonFCcubezzz: Yeah. Over 10 years, you can rent a modem and pay for it 10 times over, or you can own it and spend the remaining $900 any way you choose. :)Apr 16 13:07
DaemonFCcubezzz: You forgot tax, which in Indiana, is 7%.Apr 16 13:07
DaemonFCSo 56 cents a month in tax makes the real rental cost $8.56 a month.Apr 16 13:08
DaemonFC$1,027.20 over 10 years, *if* they don't raise it again.Apr 16 13:08
cubezzz$8 is a rip-offApr 16 13:09
cubezzzIn Canada they don't even sell DSL modems in storesApr 16 13:11
cubezzzso I bought mind directly from Ovislink CanadaApr 16 13:11
cubezzzs/mind/mine/Apr 16 13:11
cubezzzjust like they don't sell DVR's that record antenna broadcastsApr 16 13:12
cubezzzthey are all tied to Rogers and BellApr 16 13:12
cubezzzI remember I called one store and they said "No one provides DSL modems except the ISP"Apr 16 13:13
cubezzztotally falseApr 16 13:14
cubezzzbut I deal directly with a freenet so no problem thereApr 16 13:14
cubezzzso yeah, a lot of people are getting squeezed by content providersApr 16 13:18
msb_Another point to note is that even though electronics gets cheaper to produce every year, the fee we're forced to pay to content (or Internet) providers for their *usage* of electronics for our needs keeps increasing.  They just gouge us more and more every year because they *can*.   There's nothing stopping them.Apr 16 13:39
msb_That's another problem with Capitalism.  The only force that pushes prices lower is competition.  But in many areas there IS NO COMPETITION.  In the San Francisco Bay Area, where I live, Comcast is the ONLY cable company -- mandated by law.  The only competition is DSL, which is much lower speed.Apr 16 13:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat 7 RC, Ubuntu 14.04 Server, and WhyApr 16 13:43
TweetTuxMachines                 GNOME http://t.co/ANUwIfmLvjApr 16 13:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h3gpnApr 16 13:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Early Linux 3.15 Benchmarks Of Intel Core i7 +Apr 16 13:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Radeon http://t.co/Kv6bahxmg9Apr 16 13:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Trying Out Radeon R9 290 Graphics OnApr 16 13:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Open-Source http://t.co/If3JXwiLf2Apr 16 13:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat 7 RC, Ubuntu 14.04 Server, and Why GNOME | Tux MachinesApr 16 13:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Bigger BeagleBone Blacks and Thoughts onApr 16 13:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Raspberry Pi’s Modulea http://t.co/jnAy7vOLuZApr 16 13:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qt on Android: The top 5 marketsApr 16 13:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/tBYhJupIe5Apr 16 13:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MakuluLinux Interview: Lead Developer JaqueApr 16 13:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Raymer Talks About MakuluApr 16 13:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GZkvRyPPw9Apr 16 13:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bigger BeagleBone Blacks and Thoughts on Raspberry Pi’s Modulea | Tux MachinesApr 16 13:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt on Android: The top 5 markets | Tux MachinesApr 16 13:44
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cubezzzI don't worry too much about the speed being lower Apr 16 13:58
cubezzzas long as I have control over input/output, e.g. one can run servicesApr 16 13:58
cubezzzin the United States it seems like it's differentApr 16 13:59
cubezzzthe Free-nets have eroded and the cable companies have taken overApr 16 13:59
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MinceRhttp://leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/Apr 16 14:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Why I Switched to GNOME http://t.co/F75qbHeaUDApr 16 14:52
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h3idrApr 16 14:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google’s Project ARA Modular Phone Looks ReallyApr 16 14:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Amazing http://t.co/weoXcwAmR0Apr 16 14:52
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h3idsApr 16 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why I Switched to GNOME | Tux MachinesApr 16 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google’s Project ARA Modular Phone Looks Really Amazing | Tux MachinesApr 16 14:52
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Sosumigoogle glass in one pictureApr 16 15:20
Sosumihttp://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/google-glasssss.jpg?w=900&h=675Apr 16 15:20
cubezzzI have to say kdevelop is rather voluminous, even the 3.5.10 versionApr 16 15:28
cubezzzthe executables use a lot of shared libsApr 16 15:30
cubezzzlibkdeprint.so and libXinerama is linked Apr 16 15:31
cubezzzkids and their new ideasApr 16 15:32
MinceRvim > *Apr 16 15:36
cubezzzthat's why unix v7 is so interestingApr 16 15:40
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cubezzzunirubik was 15436 bytesApr 16 15:42
cubezzzif you strip the symbols it's down to 10384Apr 16 15:43
cubezzzthat is pretty leanApr 16 15:44
cubezzzah I see now, it's for multi-headed displaysApr 16 15:48
cubezzzXinerama that isApr 16 15:48
cubezzzand it's a DEC project tooApr 16 15:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google’s Project ARA Modular Phone Looks ReallyApr 16 15:49
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Amazing http://t.co/weoXcwAmR0Apr 16 15:49
TweetTuxMachines @_Goblin        Apr 16 15:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h3ipmApr 16 15:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE 4.13 Is Being Released Today With NewApr 16 15:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Features http://t.co/gqiR3WHisRApr 16 15:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Deepin 2014 Alpha Linux Distro Will Blow YouApr 16 15:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Away – Gallery http://t.co/ZQZT8lLWwOApr 16 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE 4.13 Is Being Released Today With New Features | Tux MachinesApr 16 15:49
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cubezzzcheck out the keyboard on this setup:Apr 16 15:52
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/xmonad-tripleheader.jpgApr 16 15:53
cubezzzit looks like they have two touchpads on thereApr 16 15:53
MinceRthe wrist pads on the keyboard are not touchpads, if that's what you mean :>Apr 16 16:00
MinceRkinesis somethingApr 16 16:00
cubezzzoh I seeApr 16 16:01
cubezzzthe keys look strange tooApr 16 16:01
MinceRkinesis advantage [pro?]Apr 16 16:01
MinceRlooks a lot like the maltron keyboardsApr 16 16:02
cubezzzwhoa, expensive Apr 16 16:03
cubezzzI guess they just added those wrist pads to the keyboardApr 16 16:05
MinceRit seems so to meApr 16 16:06
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msb_It looks like the central display has leaves folded behind it.Apr 16 16:37
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msbUS pays half of now-Nazi Ukraine's Russian gas bill  http://www.collapsenet.com/free-resources/collapsenet-public-access/news-alerts/item/12452-us-pays-half-of-gazproms-overdue-invoice-with-$1-billion-ukraine-loan-guaranteeApr 16 18:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     First-Person Programming Game GlitchspaceApr 16 19:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Maynard: A Lightweight Wayland Desktop | Tux MachinesApr 16 19:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Can Run Apps Designed for Firefox OSApr 16 19:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Source Code Has Fewer Defects Than Proprietary Software | Tux MachinesApr 16 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First-Person Programming Game Glitchspace Arrives on Steam for Linux | Tux MachinesApr 16 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EU countries 'prefer open specifications' | Tux MachinesApr 16 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Can Run Apps Designed for Firefox OS from Firefox Marketplace | Tux MachinesApr 16 19:06
cubezzzhttp://mobile.slashdot.org/story/14/04/16/1654207/intel-pushes-into-tablet-market-pushes-away-from-microsoft Apr 16 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.slashdot.org | Intel Pushes Into Tablet Market, Pushes Away From Microsoft - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/h3k6p ]Apr 16 19:32
cubezzzseems like the chromebooks are still all intel?Apr 16 19:37
MinceRnopeApr 16 19:37
MinceRthere is at least one that's samsung exynosApr 16 19:38
MinceRand via probably uses their own cpuApr 16 19:38
cubezzzyou're right, looks like HP has one tooApr 16 19:45
cubezzzExynos 5250Apr 16 19:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     10 Things To Do After Installing Ubuntu 14.04Apr 16 20:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Will Android TV kill Google’s Chromecast?Apr 16 20:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 Things To Do After Installing Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty Tahr To Get A Near Perfect Desktop | Tux MachinesApr 16 20:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Screenshots | Tux MachinesApr 16 20:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/fWtNNa7LKtApr 16 20:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesApr 16 20:26
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Sosumireading "morals and dogma" atmApr 16 21:16
Sosumiand I've found on passage in the book that says what I've been saying all alongApr 16 21:16
Sosumiabout religion and cult being nothing more than an "ignorant" interpretation of the celestial planeApr 16 21:17
Sosumiaka planets and orbitsApr 16 21:17
SosumiWe know, through a precise testimony in the ancient annals of Tsur, that the principalApr 16 21:18
Sosumifestivity of Mal-karth, the incarnation of the Sun at the Winter Solstice, held at Tsur, wasApr 16 21:18
Sosumicalled his rebirth or his awakening, and that it was celebrated by means of a pyre, onApr 16 21:18
Sosumiwhich the god was supposed to regain, through the aid of fire, a new life. This festivalApr 16 21:18
Sosumiwas celebrated in the month Peritius (Barith), the second day of which corresponded toApr 16 21:18
Sosumithe 25th of December. KHUR-UM, King of Tyre, Movers says, first performed thisApr 16 21:18
Sosumiceremony. These facts we learn from Josephus, Servius on the AEneid, and theApr 16 21:18
SosumiDionysiacs of Nonnus; and through a coincidence that cannot be fortuitous, the sameApr 16 21:18
Sosumiday was at Rome the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, the festal day of the invincible Sun. UnderApr 16 21:18
Sosumithis title, HERCULES, HAR-acles, was worshipped at Tsur. Thus, while the temple wasApr 16 21:18
Sosumibeing erected, the death and resurrection of a Sun-God was annually represented atApr 16 21:18
SosumiTsur, by Solomon's ally, at the winter solstice, by the pyre of MAL-KARIH, the TsurianApr 16 21:18
SosumiHaracles.Apr 16 21:18
cubezzzcan you explain chocolate easter bunnies? :)Apr 16 21:18
Sosumiwell, it is a fertility cult in the honor of ishtarApr 16 21:19
Sosumiin which everyone engaged in massive orgiesApr 16 21:19
Sosumisince bunnies reproduce fastApr 16 21:19
Sosumiyou get the chocolate bunny as memento from times long goneApr 16 21:20
cubezzzok, but some guy must have come up with the idea of making them chocolateApr 16 21:20
cubezzzI mean, it's a great way to sell chocolate and allApr 16 21:21
*Sosumi puts on his russian accentApr 16 21:21
Sosumisome capitalist pig!Apr 16 21:21
SosumiI wouldn't mind a chocolate egg for easterApr 16 21:22
Sosumibut I'm allergic to chocolateApr 16 21:23
Sosumi:(Apr 16 21:23
cubezzzthat's some bad luck thereApr 16 21:23
SosumiI haven't any references in the book yetApr 16 21:33
Sosumito the name of SolomonApr 16 21:33
Sosumibut I can say according to a theologian friend of mineApr 16 21:34
Sosumithat it is just the name of the sun in three difference languagesApr 16 21:34
Sosumisol-om-onApr 16 21:35
schestowitz__Black Duck http://realbusiness.co.uk/article/26362-open-source-from-great-technology-to-greater-intelligenceApr 16 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-realbusiness.co.uk | Real Business - Open Source: From great technology to greater intelligence [ http://ur1.ca/h3kyo ]Apr 16 21:35
Sosumiever wandered why the monk chants "om" continuously?Apr 16 21:35
cubezzznot really :)Apr 16 21:35
cubezzzbut thanks for the infoApr 16 21:36
Sosumiit is a sun cultApr 16 21:36
Sosumiwhich at first, according from what I read in Theodicy, was an evolution of the early fire worship cultsApr 16 21:36
Sosumifire, sun, lighting and lightning striking a treeApr 16 21:37
schestowitz__more of it http://memeburn.com/2014/04/3-top-tips-for-translating-open-source-projects/Apr 16 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-memeburn.com | 3 top tips for translating open source projects | memeburn [ http://ur1.ca/h3kz8 ]Apr 16 21:37
Sosumiand we immediately reach the whole mythology of prometeus and luciferApr 16 21:38
Sosumifor some reason matchesApr 16 21:38
Sosumiare also called luciferasApr 16 21:38
SosumiinterestingApr 16 21:41
schestowitz__http://www.sequimgazette.com/news/255514101.htmlApr 16 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sequimgazette.com | Mervin Manufacturing cuts 20 percent of staff - Sequim Gazette [ http://ur1.ca/h3l0c ]Apr 16 21:41
Sosumiso when I turn something "ON" that also means that I'm letting the "light" come inApr 16 21:42
Sosumilight as in life or as it is in the most usual cases, giving an usability to an objectApr 16 21:43
Sosumihttp://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/16/project-tango-primesense/Apr 16 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Google's 'Project Tango' Smartphone Uses Apple's PrimeSense Technology - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h3l2p ]Apr 16 21:52
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Sosumiit isn't the headlines that matterApr 16 21:52
Sosumibut it appears that google also wants to map your houseApr 16 21:53
Sosumiso that when you're a hurry,Apr 16 21:54
Sosumijust yap "hi glass, bathroom ASAP!"Apr 16 21:54
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sebsebsebhiApr 16 21:55
Sosumiswitch down brain and off you goApr 16 21:55
Sosumiseb³Apr 16 21:55
sebsebsebSosumi: how did you get into open source?Apr 16 21:55
MinceRthere are plenty of people with their brain permanently offApr 16 21:55
MinceRjust observe the latest hungarian election resultsApr 16 21:56
SosumiI knew I should have gone into med schoolApr 16 21:56
Sosumiso I know put the defibrillator against the zombies headsApr 16 21:57
Sosumisebsebseb, I'm not into opensource sorryApr 16 21:58
Sosumiopensource is badApr 16 21:58
sebsebsebSosumi: free software thenApr 16 21:58
Sosumiit is like being a gynecologist without being able to have a tasteApr 16 21:58
SosumiI did dual boot between osx and yellow dog linuxApr 16 21:59
Sosumiin order to test the watersApr 16 21:59
Sosumiand that was back in 2005Apr 16 21:59
cubezzzit's funny actually... I tried Linux 0.99 somethingApr 16 22:00
SosumiI was 15 at the time and I felt like my quad powermac G5 was kind being wasted in just running osxApr 16 22:00
Sosumisince there was no virtualization possible, dual boot had to be the wayApr 16 22:01
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/darkstar-0.99-x11.pngApr 16 22:02
Sosumixeyes!Apr 16 22:02
cubezzzdidn't stick with it Apr 16 22:02
cubezzzbut by 1995 or so you could get CDs of Linux and FreeBSDApr 16 22:03
Sosumilol 1995Apr 16 22:04
Sosumihow old were you back then, cubezzzApr 16 22:08
abeNd-orgoh the days of installing slackware via a customer floppy & parallel zip100Apr 16 22:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Councils stage open source revivalApr 16 23:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NVIDIA might be working on G-SYNC Linux supportApr 16 23:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Councils stage open source revival | Tux MachinesApr 16 23:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Mounts $100K Project Ara Dev ChallengeApr 17 01:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SystemRescueCd 4.2.0 Recovery Distro NowApr 17 01:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Available for Download http://t.co/Mj98MJo23qApr 17 01:11
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amarsh04http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2014/s3987161.htmApr 17 04:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abc.net.au | PM - Linc Energy facing criminal charges over alleged environmental harm 16/04/2014 [ http://ur1.ca/h3n9p ]Apr 17 04:26
amarsh04^ frackingApr 17 04:26
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3938947Apr 17 07:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: NVIDIA might be working on G-SYNC Linux support http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/nvidia-might-working-g-sync-linux-support/25698Apr 17 07:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com | NVIDIA might be working on G-SYNC Linux support | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h3o4l ]Apr 17 07:02
schestowitz__"Screw NV. They gave us more problems than benefits."Apr 17 07:02
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msbNVidia been bery bery good to me.Apr 17 10:29
Sosumiin soviet russia, you're bery, bery good to nvidiaApr 17 10:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung Tizen smartphones now slated for 2QApr 17 11:27
TweetTuxMachines                 release http://t.co/8dcMnyOKlvApr 17 11:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung Tizen smartphones now slated for 2Q release | Tux MachinesApr 17 11:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     This is Amazon’s smartphoneApr 17 11:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This is Amazon’s smartphone | Tux MachinesApr 17 11:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Use Tails to Avoid Prying EyesApr 17 11:27
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/still-going-strong-sony-sells-more-than-7-million-playstation-4s/Apr 17 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Still going strong: Sony sells more than 7 million PlayStation 4s | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h3pu9 ]Apr 17 11:47
Sosumixbone 4.2 millionApr 17 11:47
Sosumistill not on sale in portugalApr 17 11:47
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SosumiI actually think m$ is going to fail hardlyApr 17 13:41
Sosumiwith the xboneApr 17 13:41
Sosumino only the console is weaker but has no gamesApr 17 13:41
Sosumiand the major iterations of the original xbox and xbox 360 have already kind of endedApr 17 13:42
Sosumiaka gears of war and haloApr 17 13:42
Sosumiwith the non bungie made halo being meh as well as with halo reachApr 17 13:43
SosumiI don't even think halo reach's multiplayer even made it to mlgApr 17 13:43
Sosumiwith ppl sticking just to halo 3Apr 17 13:44
Sosumiand at the end of the gen after m$ had blown all the steam on the xbox 360Apr 17 13:47
Sosumithe ps3 actually surpassed itApr 17 13:47
Sosumiwhile the xbox had no good exclusives at allApr 17 13:48
Sosumiso the ps4 doing so well is a continue of the ps3 momentumApr 17 13:48
Sosumiand being the superior platformApr 17 13:48
Sosumigames life bf4 and so on have already proved thatApr 17 13:49
schestowitzhttp://www.c-span.org/video/?318889-1/nsa-surveillance-personal-privacyApr 17 13:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.c-span.org | NSA Surveillance Personal Privacy | Video | C-SPAN.org [ http://ur1.ca/h3qk7 ]Apr 17 13:50
schestowitzUK GOP :-)Apr 17 13:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/456776229140439040Apr 17 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eee_eff: .@schestowitz I increasingly doubt that people feel the two are mutually exclusive...Apr 17 13:53
msbWiki says the PS4 runs a fork of FreeBSD, but I think that since BSD is not under GPL, the PS4 does not have to be programmable by the user and can be an "appliance" rather than a general purpose computer.  Is this correct?Apr 17 13:55
SosumicorrectApr 17 13:56
msbThat sucks!Apr 17 13:56
Sosumiwell ofc it doesApr 17 13:56
Sosumijust ask the game developers having to fork for a ps4 dev kit when they could instead just grab a ps4 off the shelf and start "deving"Apr 17 13:57
msbThis is why the GPL is so important, so corporate pigs can't profit off the work of the free World Community without giving back to it.Apr 17 13:57
msbAll praise to RMS!Apr 17 13:58
Sosumithe only way that'd change would be if suddenly M$ let ppl use the xbone as a general purpose computerApr 17 13:58
Sosumieven if limited but as long as it could a regular desktop for home useApr 17 13:59
msbI'd rather use a PS4 than anything from Microshit.Apr 17 13:59
Sosumithen sony would probably bring back the gnu/linux supportApr 17 13:59
Sosumithat they took away when they launched the ps3 slimApr 17 13:59
Sosumiback in 2009Apr 17 14:00
msbYeah, that was a bummer.Apr 17 14:00
Sosumiwell, you know that you still need m$ to develop for the ps3Apr 17 14:00
msbYou'd think they would sell more of them if people could use them freely.Apr 17 14:00
SosumiI think it works through a visual studio pluginApr 17 14:01
msbFeh.  If it was open and the details were known, somebody would make a module for it for Eclipse.Apr 17 14:03
msbLast time I used an MS compiler (many years ago) you had to turn off all the optimizations or it would write severely erroneous code.Apr 17 14:04
msbThe Prime Directive is: Never use anything from Microsoft!Apr 17 14:05
msbIf you do, your soul will turn black and fall off.Apr 17 14:06
Sosumino ideaApr 17 14:09
SosumiI'm yet to try VSApr 17 14:09
msbYes!  This is a matter of Good vs Evil.  Seriously.Apr 17 14:09
Sosumibut from what read, ppl use intel compilers with vsApr 17 14:09
msbI imagine the ms compilers work now.  But the company is so viciously evil that it should be completely shunned.Apr 17 14:10
msbI haven't even updated this to include UEFI:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICROSOFTS_WAR_AGAINST_LINUX.htmlApr 17 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | MICROSOFT'S WAR AGAINST LINUXApr 17 14:11
msbCompanies like Microsoft make money by harming people.  That is psychopath behavior!Apr 17 14:12
msbhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYApr 17 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g22oj ]Apr 17 14:13
msbOf course Microsoft has done a lot more harm than just attacking GNU/Linux.  Selling bad software and hardware, keeping people ignorant, lying about all sorts of things, allowing virus propagation, etc.Apr 17 14:15
cubezzzI think it's important to remember FOSS is more that just linuxApr 17 14:23
cubezzztechnically if you have the source code, the compilers/assemblers, and a working computer you have software freedomApr 17 14:24
cubezzzthe new chromebooks even have SeaBIOS built-in, so the 16-bit BIOS itself is FOSSApr 17 14:25
cubezzzthat's a huge improvement over what we had beforeApr 17 14:25
Sosumiwhat about free firmware?Apr 17 14:25
Sosumido you have the source code of your computer's bios?Apr 17 14:26
cubezzzyes I doApr 17 14:26
cubezzzI run coreboot with seabios on two machinesApr 17 14:26
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/coreboot-serial-output.txtApr 17 14:27
msbcubezzz: Wow, that is a wonderful system!  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CorebootApr 17 14:33
cubezzzGigabyte seems to be more FOSS friendly that most motherboard manufacturersApr 17 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | coreboot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaApr 17 14:33
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cubezzzthere's the vgabios as wellApr 17 14:40
cubezzzvideo bios appeared in the EGA eraApr 17 14:41
cubezzzi.e. the old PC bios didn't know about EGAApr 17 14:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/456789503252770817Apr 17 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz I don't think @KimDotcom needs them to have more ideas for illegal abuse ;)...Apr 17 14:43
schestowitzHe's safe. He's white.Apr 17 14:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/456789807734075392Apr 17 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz but I did not hear about @KimDotcom mom's house before...and I thought Germany had higher standards for due process...Apr 17 14:44
schestowitzI thought so tooApr 17 14:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ralpost/status/456790616882823168Apr 17 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ralpost: @gnutelephony @schestowitz @KimDotcom DMCA-takedown inspired droning, where you execute your target first and investigate the facts later.Apr 17 14:49
schestowitz@ralpost @gnutelephony @KimDotcom with bogus DMCA request the defendant can fight back; with drones you get thoroughly demonised while deadApr 17 14:50
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cubezzzMicrosoft tried to infiltrate the watch industry:Apr 17 15:54
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/timex-microsoft-watch.jpgApr 17 15:54
cubezzzCRT sync was also possible on win95 and win98Apr 17 15:55
cubezzzor rather ONLY possible on win95 and win98Apr 17 15:55
MinceRit's like they haven't heard of serial cablesApr 17 16:02
Jibblerhttp://samsungdesign.tumblr.com/Apr 17 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-samsungdesign.tumblr.com | Original Designs by SamsungApr 17 16:03
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/microsoft-watch-version-2.jpgApr 17 16:05
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cubezzzMicrosoft SPOT bombed out around 2008Apr 17 16:07
cubezzzI never even heard about it before nowApr 17 16:08
gde33doesn't Net neutrality mean the internet is dominated by imbiciles?Apr 17 16:13
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Sosumihttp://recode.net/2014/04/16/marissa-mayers-secret-plan-to-get-apple-to-dump-google-and-default-to-yahoo-mobile-search/Apr 17 16:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-recode.net | Marissa Mayer’s Secret Plan to Get Apple to Dump Google and Default to Yahoo Mobile Search | Re/code [ http://ur1.ca/h3rln ]Apr 17 16:20
Sosumiyahoo is currently engaged with m$Apr 17 16:21
Sosumiand something I didn't knowApr 17 16:21
SosumiSiri uses bingApr 17 16:21
Sosumisince crapple doesn't have their own search engineApr 17 16:21
cubezzzya, microsoft is always trying to take over everythingApr 17 16:21
cubezzzthere's always late to the party thoughApr 17 16:22
Sosumiand their advertisement platform isn't that great (iAd)Apr 17 16:22
cubezzzthey'reApr 17 16:22
SosumiI see this really happeningApr 17 16:22
SosuminoApr 17 16:23
Sosumilate to the party is always appleApr 17 16:23
Sosuminot m$Apr 17 16:23
Sosumim$ just trails behind gnu/linuxApr 17 16:23
Sosumiand if you want stuff not working, crappy drivers and missing featuresApr 17 16:25
Sosumihey just get macApr 17 16:25
Sosumi:)Apr 17 16:25
Sosumisiemens just released their new version of NXApr 17 16:25
Sosumiunfortunately it is now ribbon themedApr 17 16:26
Sosumibut it works flawlessly on both windows and gnu/linuxApr 17 16:27
cubezzzwell I suppose there's DuckDuckGo and what was that other oneApr 17 16:27
Sosumibut on osx it has missing featuresApr 17 16:27
cubezzzIxquick I thinkApr 17 16:27
SosumiI just use google, no point in bothering muchApr 17 16:28
Sosumisince I've never had any expectation of privacy on the internetApr 17 16:29
Sosumiso I also don't trow it out there sensitive information nor post selfies of myselfApr 17 16:29
Sosumibut I do expect that the information inside my HDD to remain privateApr 17 16:29
cubezzzactually I don't mind some adsApr 17 16:30
SosumiI just addblock everythingApr 17 16:30
cubezzzif it's stuff I'm interested inApr 17 16:30
Sosuminot even the google ads escapeApr 17 16:30
cubezzzit's funny, originally /usr/local/sbin or at least /sbin were supposed to be statically linkedApr 17 18:08
cubezzzinstead we have bloated dynamically linked executablesApr 17 18:08
cubezzzopenbsd doesn't do thatApr 17 18:09
cubezzzthey did do a pretty good job of reining in the bloatApr 17 18:09
cubezzzbut nothing compares to the efficency of Unix v7 on PDPApr 17 18:10
cubezzzactually fc1 was kind of bloated tooApr 17 18:15
cubezzzand to be fair the dynamically linked stuff is smallerApr 17 18:18
cubezzzit's just if there's stuff on another partition that gets borked you're /sbin stuff could be unuseableApr 17 18:18
cubezzzreally none of the modern linux's are truly lightweightApr 17 18:21
cubezzzthe only one I can think of is BL3, but it's very oldApr 17 18:21
cubezzzeven tiny core recommends 128 megs of ramApr 17 18:22
cubezzzfolks, you deserve to see the leanest and meanest linuxApr 17 18:42
cubezzzremember, it runs Linux with X in 16 megs of ramApr 17 18:43
cubezzzI spent a lot of time researching this :)Apr 17 18:43
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/basic-linux-3-is-lean-and-mean.pngApr 17 18:43
cubezzzok, icewm was also possible, on a 486:Apr 17 18:45
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpgApr 17 18:45
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3942483Apr 17 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #CIA director in #Kiev searching for missing mercenaries http://www.voltairenet.org/article183269.html #ukraine #libya #syriaApr 17 18:47
schestowitz__"Think of the mercenaries."Apr 17 18:47
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3942557Apr 17 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "CIA...monitored the prisoners’ body temperatures for hypothermia as they were continuously covered with ice water" http://www.uscatholic.org/news/201404/commentary-cia-torture-report-ought-disturb-all-our-consciences-28778Apr 17 18:47
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schestowitz__"I've reposted this on other social media. Appalling report."Apr 17 18:47
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3941990Apr 17 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Remember reports about #assange (AU) as #drone target? http://www.3news.co.nz/Drone-strike-that-killed-Kiwi-justified---expert/tabid/423/articleID/340460/Default.aspx http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/16/new-zealand-australianmenkilledinyemenstrike.htmlApr 17 18:48
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schestowitz__"There's a disturbing definition of the right to kill, "They have said that they will kill Americans and harm American interests and those of their allies – of which we are one – at any opportunity." Not justiied as an imminent threat of bodily harm to a citizen, justified as any threat to American interests. If you tell people not to eat at McDonalds, are you a terrorist that deserves death regardless of the danger to innocent Apr 17 18:48
schestowitz__people around you?"Apr 17 18:48
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3941978Apr 17 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "NSA’s egregious conduct has currently reached Orwellian proportions and is a serious threat to “Freedom of Thought”" http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/nsa-control/2014/04/16Apr 17 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> baltimorepostexaminer.com | Is the NSA out of control? - Baltimore Post-Examiner [ http://ur1.ca/h3sj4 ]Apr 17 18:48
schestowitz__"The truth has hit Baltimore?!"Apr 17 18:48
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3899097Apr 17 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Exposing the U.S. Corporate Interests Behind #Ukraine Coup http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/exposing-us-corporate-interests-behind-ukraine-putsch "economic interests of giant corporations"Apr 17 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.alternet.org | Exposing the U.S. Corporate Interests Behind Ukraine Coup | Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/h1qzm ]Apr 17 18:49
schestowitz__"well, for you it is coup, for me it was "human right for rebellion against crminal dictator"."Apr 17 18:49
schestowitz__Look at the outcome of this botched coupApr 17 18:49
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3941108Apr 17 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@marekjm@iliketoast.net: *In response to: [Preparing the ground for the Fedora Workstation](/posts/2c925309c2ebe661) post* The idea of adding polish and removing the sharp-and-ugly edges from the Linux ecosystem is a very noble one. However, I wouldn't say that I can agree with all things that were said in the article. However, it's hard to tell what exactly is bad with some statements being made -- for me it was more like *It's a good idApr 17 19:01
schestowitz__"Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__In response to: Preparing the ground for the Fedora Workstation postApr 17 19:02
schestowitz__The idea of adding polish and removing the sharp-and-ugly edges from the Linux ecosystem is a very noble one. However, I wouldn't say that I can agree with all things that were said in the article.Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__However, it's hard to tell what exactly is bad with some statements being made -- for me it was more like It's a good idea, this one, but I think it lacks X/forgets about Y...Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__I agree with the cherrypicking attitude when building a stable system - but the cherries should be picked by the users, shouldn't they? Why limit the choice this way when the rest of the article praises the availability of choice on the GUI-toolkit side?Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__Wouldn't it be better to turn Fedora into Fedora Workstation (with more polish and optimised, presets) and make Fedora Workstation really workstation-ready? I mean, it's we developers who know what we need best - e.g. I mostly do Python and C++ library development and I need tools and environment which are radically different than, for example, those needed by a programmer who develops webapps.Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__I see no way for a pre-set desktop that would be good for both of us. But - I see a way for a desktop which comes bare-bones but offers advanced tools to install required programs, toolkits, GUI-environments etc. That makes a good job at helping the user manage itself and does not get in the way by saying *Hey, I'd like you do this MY WAY, otherwise it will be oh-so-hard".Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__Such system is truly workstation-ready in my opinion. Let us not forget that there is there is the work part in the workstation word.Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__And, last but - for me - not least, my usual rant about the focus on web applications. I have been, am and will be opposing the move to web-interface-only programs, and those who will not work without seamless access to net.Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__This point of view was shaped by my personal experiences, so take not that it is a biased opinion - I have always, and in fact I still do, had bad network access. If a program requires a constant access to the Network it's a no-go for me.Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__I praise git (and I really mean it!) for being local-goes-global and not the other way round. It's a real blessing and an engineering excellence that despite being a tool to work over the network it needs reliable net access only for some 15 minutes to actually push local changes and pull upstream.Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__And this is how people should be able to work - not worrying that they need something that is not immediately available on their local workstation.Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__Maybe I am wrong, I am definitely no authority, but I think that when the real work is done webapps should take the back sits and let real desktop programs take the first spot. I do not deny their usefulness - but I consider them more as interfaces to inspect the results of work (e.g. GitHub) or as a tools for discussion (e.g. Loomio).Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__Well, that were my two (actually more like twelve) cents.Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__"Apr 17 19:02
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/456850377909239808Apr 17 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz and unlike telepathy it supports otr and zrtp...Apr 17 19:05
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Sosumiwant another example of osx being the one always behindApr 17 19:56
Sosuminvidia released yesterday the production version of cuda6Apr 17 19:56
Sosumimeanwhile people who updated to it are seeing a major decrease in performanceApr 17 19:57
MinceRThe Trailing Edge of Technology™Apr 17 19:57
Sosumiwhile the same hardware running windows is showing the performanceApr 17 19:57
Sosuminot mentioned that the exact same hardware benches higher on windows than it does on osxApr 17 19:58
Sosumi<Sosumi> while the same hardware running windows is showing the SAME performanceApr 17 19:59
Sosumisorry ate that word outApr 17 19:59
MinceRi guess they needed something to make winblows look goodApr 17 20:00
Sosumino ideaApr 17 20:00
Sosumibut linux and windows are on parApr 17 20:00
Sosumiosx, noApr 17 20:00
Sosumieven open cl is up to 20% slow on osxApr 17 20:01
Sosumicompared to windows and linuxApr 17 20:01
Sosumiand now you even pay through your nose for underclocked gpusApr 17 20:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Choosing a license http://t.co/ekyRjBqY5nApr 17 21:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     WordPress 3.9 arrives with stunning editor andApr 17 21:58
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Sosumihttp://lh4.ggpht.com/-jEvZ92AfOgE/TqvIgI0UIDI/AAAAAAAAFM0/qlILdBc-PLU/end%252520is%252520near%252520cartoon%25255B6%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800Apr 18 07:20
Sosumi"the end is near"Apr 18 07:21
Sosumiwell, the end of the week :)Apr 18 07:21
sebsebsebSosumi: I completly forgot about the Ubuntu 14.04 LTS release yesterdayApr 18 07:23
sebsebsebsince other stuffApr 18 07:24
sebsebsebah wellApr 18 07:24
sebsebsebSosumi: altough the Ubuntu release party channel may have been fun so hmm Apr 18 07:24
SosumiI'm not a fan of ubuntuApr 18 07:24
sebsebsebaltough  it shows how my life has changedApr 18 07:24
sebsebsebyears ago I would have  not had much else to think about really and so going there no problemApr 18 07:24
sebsebsebSosumi: I was going to do a talk yesterday, butApr 18 07:25
sebsebsebun well and had travel issues and what not as well, so nope,  another time insteadApr 18 07:25
sebsebsebSosumi: no I don't really like Ubuntu that much either since  2009Apr 18 07:26
sebsebseb,but it's still  one of the best chances at  Desktop Linux going more main streameApr 18 07:26
Sosumioddly enough I always have to do in order to occupy myselfApr 18 07:26
sebsebsebto be honest I don't really care about that as much either these days really,  but someone in my family is still running  unsupported Windwos XP for now, which I am not happy about of courseApr 18 07:26
sebsebsebnow I just need to test a ISO for  what will become Mageia 4.1Apr 18 07:27
sebsebsebwhich is meant to fix  isolinux bugs, where there's issues on old hardware,  and the computer won't boot up,  from Live CDApr 18 07:27
sebsebsebCD'sApr 18 07:27
sebsebseband  well hopefuly that will work and :)Apr 18 07:27
sebsebsebSosumi: you always have to what to occupy yourself?Apr 18 07:27
Sosumigym, classes, studying, readying, projectsApr 18 07:28
Sosumithere's always stuff to doApr 18 07:28
sebsebsebSosumi: not in my current life to be honestApr 18 07:29
sebsebseb,but here and there yesApr 18 07:29
sebsebsebor there is stuff I could do, but don't just do.  getting rid of more life junk,  sorting out the driiving thorey, just two examplesApr 18 07:29
sebsebsebSosumi: to many old CD R's and what not here stillApr 18 07:30
sebsebsebto go through and get rid of most of themApr 18 07:30
SosumiI've already got rid of all my cdsApr 18 07:30
sebsebsebCD R'sApr 18 07:31
sebsebsebor in generalApr 18 07:31
sebsebsebmusic CD's and what not toApr 18 07:31
MinceRhttp://www.economist.com/news/europe/21601004-why-europes-populists-and-radicals-admire-vladimir-putin-russias-friends-blackApr 18 07:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.economist.com | Charlemagne: Russia’s friends in black | The Economist [ http://ur1.ca/h3w88 ]Apr 18 07:31
sebsebsebSosumi: I'll keep  the proper CD's and DVD's, but most CD R's and DVD R's will be goingApr 18 07:31
sebsebsebincluding the really old blank ones I think from years agoApr 18 07:31
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Sosumiho, I just my music from the piratebayApr 18 07:31
Sosumi*getApr 18 07:31
sebsebsebSosumi: that's blocked in this countryApr 18 07:31
sebsebsebby ISP'sApr 18 07:32
sebsebsebsince the goverment requested thatApr 18 07:32
Sosumiplus most of the stuff I hearApr 18 07:32
Sosumiis from artists that are already deadApr 18 07:32
SosumiI'm sure Tchaikovsky wouldn't mindApr 18 07:32
sebsebsebok, but the record companies still want to profit off that hmmApr 18 07:32
Sosuminor Ronnie DioApr 18 07:33
Sosumithat is a problemApr 18 07:33
Sosumionce the record label stops printing the album for 3 years after the artist's deathApr 18 07:34
Sosumithe record label should relinquish its rightsApr 18 07:34
Sosumijust one exampleApr 18 07:34
MinceRthen they'll never stop printing albumsApr 18 07:34
Sosumibut what if ppl don't buy themApr 18 07:34
Sosumithey print according to demmandApr 18 07:35
MinceRjust like how movie franchise licensees never stop making comic book movie rebootsApr 18 07:35
MinceRso they don't lose the licenseApr 18 07:35
sebsebsebSosumi: why do you say 3 years afterApr 18 07:35
sebsebsebSosumi: ?Apr 18 07:35
MinceRSosumi: they can keep making a very low number every 3 yearsApr 18 07:35
Sosumigood pointApr 18 07:35
Sosumibut I just said that as an example on the spur of the momentApr 18 07:36
sebsebsebSosumi: comic book films,  yep  Spider man sellsApr 18 07:38
sebsebseband another is out in the cinema now or soonApr 18 07:38
Sosumispider pigApr 18 07:38
sebsebsebthe hobbit sells toApr 18 07:38
sebsebseband stuff like thatApr 18 07:38
Sosuminot a fan of that stuffApr 18 07:38
sebsebsebno me either from what I remember of the lord of the rings moviesApr 18 07:39
sebsebsebI haven't seen the two hobbit filmsApr 18 07:39
sebsebsebyetApr 18 07:39
sebsebsebhowever that kind of stuff is very popular around hereApr 18 07:40
SosumisadApr 18 07:42
sebsebsebMinceR: Sosumi oh that Ubuntu GNOME one that came in on the Tuxmachines feedApr 18 07:43
sebsebsebMinceR: Sosumi is by schestowitz__ 's wife apparantlyApr 18 07:44
MinceRoh really?Apr 18 07:44
sebsebsebyepApr 18 07:44
sebsebseblook who it says it's by etcApr 18 07:44
MinceRoh, i thought you were saying Sosumi is schestowitz__'s wifeApr 18 07:44
Sosumilolwoot?Apr 18 07:45
MinceRschestowitz__'s wife posting on tuxmachines is not new to me :)Apr 18 07:45
sebsebsebyes Sosumi has turned  into a woman over nightApr 18 07:45
MinceRi missed the "by"Apr 18 07:45
sebsebseband he's loving itApr 18 07:45
sebsebsebbeing a womanApr 18 07:45
sebsebsebor uh  she's even now then :dApr 18 07:45
MinceRprobably should have got more sleepApr 18 07:45
sebsebsebSosumi likes being a woman much more than a manApr 18 07:45
sebsebsebMinceR: I am thinking the same about sleepApr 18 07:45
sebsebsebMinceR: ok I slept  a bit in the chari in the living room, butApr 18 07:45
sebsebsebon theApr 18 07:45
sebsebseb,but  get a better sleep in bed, and  it's a bit chilly this mornign and such toApr 18 07:46
sebsebseb6 degree's c apparnatly hmmApr 18 07:46
sebsebseb,but yes Sosumi is a woman now, and she's loving being oneApr 18 07:46
Sosumiyada yadaApr 18 07:46
MinceRsebsebseb: you should have put the colon after Sosumi's nick :>Apr 18 07:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android is the only hope for Intel whileApr 18 07:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Microsoft’s market declinesApr 18 07:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review of Ubuntu 14.04 LTSApr 18 07:48
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sebsebsebSosumi: MinceR oh it's just a tux machiens ink page or whatever, but  mentions boht of htemApr 18 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android is the only hope for Intel while Microsoft’s market declines | Tux MachinesApr 18 07:49
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Sosumiwell,Apr 18 07:55
Sosumiapparently I need go in order to start doing my "womanly things"Apr 18 07:56
SosumiДо скорой встречи!Apr 18 07:56
sebsebsebSosumi: oh I had a link for you, but closed it Apr 18 08:02
sebsebsebSosumi: things a woam should do before she hits 30Apr 18 08:02
sebsebsebSosumi: oh maybe your older than 30Apr 18 08:02
Sosumi*facepalm*Apr 18 08:04
Sosumijust get one on what should russian women do before they reach 30Apr 18 08:15
Sosumibut I think it is time already to quit the jokeApr 18 08:16
Sosumiand btw I'm 24Apr 18 08:16
SosumilatersApr 18 08:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ownCloud Promotes Scalability, Efficiency of Open Source Private Cloud | Tux MachinesApr 18 09:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FreeBSD Advances For ARM, Bhyve, ClangApr 18 09:09
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schestowitz__heyApr 18 09:36
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TweetTuxMachines                 Awesome http://t.co/BXTRhCwR2gApr 18 14:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Battle of the Linux clouds! Linode DOUBLES RAMApr 18 14:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Apache OpenOffice hits major 100 millionApr 18 14:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: The Good, the Bad and the Awesome | Tux MachinesApr 18 14:31
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schestowitzI've just reckoned....Apr 18 15:06
schestowitzIf 'you are what you eat", when cannibalism makes more sense that eating non-human animalsApr 18 15:06
schestowitzSo maybe the proverb is just stupidApr 18 15:06
cubezzzyou're not what you eatApr 18 15:20
cubezzzyou're not bits of steak and potatoes or whatever :)Apr 18 15:20
cubezzzthe body can make 13 of the 22 amino acidsApr 18 15:21
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Sosumiwell, I'm not even the same I was this morningApr 18 15:31
Sosumifor now many of my cell have already died and been replacedApr 18 15:32
Sosumi*cellsApr 18 15:32
Sosumi:)Apr 18 15:32
MinceRif 'you are what you eat' then you're all plantsApr 18 15:33
cubezzzand we know that plants aren't dirt :)Apr 18 15:34
MinceRdo plants eat dirt? :>Apr 18 15:35
cubezzzthey take nutrients out of the soilApr 18 15:36
MinceRi take nutrients out of the fridgeApr 18 15:36
MinceR:>Apr 18 15:36
Sosumijust that?Apr 18 15:36
cubezzzsome folks say there's biological transmutationApr 18 15:36
Sosumidon't they also do the photosynthesisApr 18 15:36
Sosumiso plants are not photons eitherApr 18 15:36
cubezzzdefinitely :)Apr 18 15:36
MinceRor carbon dioxideApr 18 15:37
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cubezzzhippies and long hairs use back door? :)Apr 18 17:14
cubezzzI'd love to know where that pic came fromApr 18 17:14
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cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/pc-mac-linux-bsd.jpgApr 18 17:19
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/this-beard-says-pipes.jpgApr 18 17:22
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cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/and-the-problem-was-gone.jpgApr 18 17:27
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Sosumihttps://i.4cdn.org/gif/src/1397783441921.gifApr 18 17:58
schestowitz__"Source?"Apr 18 18:12
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3947706Apr 18 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nsa #surveillance misused to go after #occupy which #fbi called "terrorism" so we know Islamic terrorism is excuse but not principal threatApr 18 18:12
schestowitz__http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupyApr 18 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Revealed: how the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy | Naomi Wolf | Comment is free | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/gc05e ]Apr 18 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | The shocking truth about the crackdown on Occupy | Naomi Wolf | Comment is free | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fuynk ]Apr 18 18:12
msbSosumi: That gif of the little penguin is great!  Amazing it can run that fast on those little legs.Apr 18 18:14
Sosumicourtesy of some 4chan denizenApr 18 18:14
msbschestowitz__: Re the Naomi Wolf articles: banks and the stock exchange working with the FBI to coordinate attacks on peaceful protestors whom they labelled as "potential terrorists".  When do we call it Fascism?Apr 18 18:28
msbNewton's Second Law of Motion, published in 1687, plus the videos of the WTC towers falling, *prove* that they were destroyed by implanted explosives, which Muslim terrorists could not possibly have done.  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 Apr 18 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneApr 18 18:32
schestowitz__when it's in ItalyApr 18 18:32
schestowitz__then it's called fascismApr 18 18:33
schestowitz__insinuating that the US is nazi(ionalist) or fascist gets you lumped in with a group that will get you widely discreditedApr 18 18:34
msb2,000,000 people murdered and several nations destroyed using 9/11 as the excuse.  Is that fascism?Apr 18 18:34
msbWhat group is that?Apr 18 18:34
schestowitz__among them: "Paul supporter", "white supremacist", "Islamist", "conspiracy theorist", cult member (small religion/minority)Apr 18 18:35
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3948258Apr 18 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Has #Banksy finally been caught on camera? http://nypost.com/2014/04/17/has-banksy-finally-been-caught-on-camera/Apr 18 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> nypost.com | Has Banksy finally been caught on camera? | New York Post [ http://ur1.ca/h407b ]Apr 18 18:36
schestowitz__"Wow, this guy's works are awesome ..."Apr 18 18:37
msbFascism is control of government by corporations, and its service of their interests, often violently.Apr 18 18:37
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3946576Apr 18 18:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Project Ara build-it-yourself smartphone coming in January http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/project-ara-build-smartphone-coming-january/25829 #ara #android #linuxApr 18 18:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.muktware.com | Project Ara build-it-yourself smartphone coming in January | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h407m ]Apr 18 18:37
schestowitz__"block phone copied or licence bought by google ?"Apr 18 18:37
schestowitz__msb: in my mind, fascicism is opposite, gov controls corporationsApr 18 18:38
schestowitz__like Russia more or less, in USSRApr 18 18:38
schestowitz__"of course ... And here is how a great project is owend by google ... And here is how all of sheeps will buy it and say "Hey Google create something good" ... And once again Google wins something which that could something else than "big bro device""Apr 18 18:39
schestowitz__"@Wasabi: Well, if it's open to other manufacturers then people can always undercut any overpricing. @Julien: Depends how locked down it is, if it's possible to install a differeny OS, or buy a FOSH baseboard then it might turn out ok."Apr 18 18:39
schestowitz__"The problem is not the OS in fact, because if it is Android, I think Cyanogen will be developed too. and maybe another OS could run on it... no, the problem is essentially hardware finally because managed by google, and driver support could be hard."Apr 18 18:39
schestowitz__"That's what I mean though, if the whole thing is open (like phoneblokks was supposed to be) then couldn't third parties offer open source hardware and drivers? Given the target market I'd imagine they'd be popular."Apr 18 18:39
schestowitz__"yes, we agree"Apr 18 18:39
msbschestowitz__: There are many other people saying that the US is fascist other than the groups you mentioned.  In fact, the phrases you mentioned are often used to unjustifiably smear honest researchers and advocates.  "Conspiracy theorists" is a term invented by the government to discredit JFK assassination researchers.Apr 18 18:39
msb"Fascism is Corporatism" -- MussoliniApr 18 18:42
msbCorporations and ultra-wealthy individuals totally control govt by bribery.  They bribe the govt to make laws favorable to them.  They bribe the govt to invade and destroy nations that have socialistic economies, so the corporations can then go into those nations and exploit the workers there.Apr 18 18:44
msbschestowitz__: The fact that some crazy evil people say that something is true does not make it false.  To say that it does is a logical fallacy.  In this case, it would prevent people from realizing that the US is in fact fascist even when the soldiers are goose-stepping down the streets and shooting people.  "Oh no, we can't use the word 'fascism' -- people would associate us with 'conspiracy theorists' and Ron Paul supporters."Apr 18 18:48
msbschestowitz__: If most people are mind-controlled by lying media and government propagands, thanks to Edward Bernays -- which they are -- then censoring our ideas and speech based on what most people would think PREVENTS US FROM THINKING ACCURATELY.Apr 18 18:51
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DFSIs Roy Spamowitz here?  Apr 18 18:52
*DFS is now known as Guest36863Apr 18 18:52
Guest36863He used to spam comp.os.linux.advocacy with 35-50 NEWS posts per dayApr 18 18:52
Guest36863For 5 years straightApr 18 18:52
MinceRi'm not aware of any person called "Roy Spamowitz"Apr 18 18:52
Guest36863He was a degenerate liar, too.Apr 18 18:53
Guest36863Anyway, Spamowitz now says he's an 'advocate of fair competition'Apr 18 18:53
MinceRhow does this concern this channel?Apr 18 18:53
Guest36863So, when will Spamowitz begin calling for Linux to put price tags on everything?Apr 18 18:53
msbDFS is one of the most active pro-Microsoft anti-Linux posters in comp.os.linux.advocacy.Apr 18 18:53
MinceRsomehow i suspected thatApr 18 18:54
Guest36863I'm not pro-MSApr 18 18:54
Guest36863I don't even like them.Apr 18 18:54
Guest36863I like some of their software.Apr 18 18:54
msbApparently he posted first under the nick of "DFS", and then changed to "Guest36863".Apr 18 18:54
Guest36863I didn't change - the channel changed it for me.Apr 18 18:55
MinceRhe probably didn't identify for DFSApr 18 18:55
MinceRno, the channel did not change itApr 18 18:55
MinceRNickServ changed it.Apr 18 18:55
Guest36863So change it back.Apr 18 18:55
MinceRit is none of our concern.Apr 18 18:55
MinceRdon't you ever read your status/server window?Apr 18 18:55
Guest36863It was flashing by/ jumping aroundApr 18 18:56
msbDFS routinely refers to Roy as "Spamowitz".Apr 18 18:56
Guest36863So, when will the 'advocate of fair competition' begin calling for price tags on Linux distros and apps?Apr 18 18:56
Guest36863Never, that's when.  Apr 18 18:56
MinceRwhy should any advocate of fair competition begin calling for that?Apr 18 18:56
Guest36863Extremely stupid question.Apr 18 18:57
msbWhich means that he can't answer it.Apr 18 18:57
MinceRyou'll need to adjust that attitude of yours, Guest36863.Apr 18 18:57
Guest36863Fair competition would require Linux distros/apps to charge similar prices as those found on commercial software products.Apr 18 18:57
MinceRno, it would not.Apr 18 18:57
Guest36863Yes, it would. Apr 18 18:58
cubezzzhttp://www.osdisc.com has been selling DVDs and CDs for yearsApr 18 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.osdisc.com | OSDisc.com - Buy Linux CDs and DVDs - New Releases. Low Prices.Apr 18 18:58
MinceRfair competition is not the same as command economy.Apr 18 18:58
Guest36863Giving your code away for free is extremely uncompetitive.Apr 18 18:58
MinceRit's not exactly that, thoughApr 18 18:58
Guest36863Funny that Linux can't even be given away.Apr 18 18:58
msbPeople create GNU/Linux/FOSS out of enjoyment and generosity and therefore give it away for free.Apr 18 18:58
MinceRusers contribute in exchange for the software -- bug reports, code fixes/patches, etc.Apr 18 18:58
Guest36863Add a price tag and watch the howls...Apr 18 18:58
*MinceR adds a price tag saying "0"Apr 18 18:59
*MinceR waits for the howlsApr 18 18:59
msbI used to buy Suse boxed sets.Apr 18 18:59
Guest36863But you didn't pay nearly the equivalent of the commercial code.Apr 18 18:59
MinceRi also didn't receive the equivalent of the commercial code, thankfullyApr 18 18:59
cubezzzyou can charge for discs, manuals, etcApr 18 19:00
MinceRas the code you're advertising is of horribly low quality.Apr 18 19:00
cubezzzthere's no rule saying you can'tApr 18 19:00
msbDFS has been spamming COLA for many years.  He will never change his mind.  He's probably paid by Microsoft.  Apr 18 19:00
Guest36863If they create GNU/LInux/FOSS out of generosity, why do most projects ask for donations?Apr 18 19:00
Guest36863Only Spamowitz spammed cola with off-topic NEWS..  5 years straightApr 18 19:00
msbPeople have found proof that Microsoft has employees posting to various FOSS forums.Apr 18 19:01
MinceRwhy is news off-topic on COLA?Apr 18 19:01
Guest36863of 35-50 posts per day.  Full of lies and deceit.Apr 18 19:01
msbFull of great information.Apr 18 19:01
Guest36863If MS does have people posting to forums, so what?Apr 18 19:01
MinceRand why do i get the suspicion that what you call "lies and deceit" were merely facts that were inconvenient to microsoft munchkins?Apr 18 19:01
msbI wish Roy would start it again.Apr 18 19:01
Guest36863They ought to pay people to counter the lies of Linux idiots.Apr 18 19:01
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MinceRno, they paid people to masquerade as grassroots support for microsoft.Apr 18 19:02
Guest36863So?Apr 18 19:02
MinceRthat's the "lies and deceit" you're looking for.Apr 18 19:02
cubezzzastro turfing you meanApr 18 19:02
Guest36863Who pays Linux "advocates" to lie about MS and Windows?Apr 18 19:02
MinceRindeedApr 18 19:02
MinceRGNU/Linux advocates do not need to lie about m$ and windows, as both are atrocious enough as they are.Apr 18 19:02
msb"If MS does have people posting to forums, so what?" The problem is that they don't SAY they work for Microsoft, and are posting to increase MS's profits.Apr 18 19:02
Guest36863They don't need to lie about them, but they do it anyway.Apr 18 19:03
MinceRagain, what makes this relevant to this channel?Apr 18 19:03
msbNothing.  He'll just do it until somebody blocks him.Apr 18 19:03
Guest36863Anyway, my social visit was to ask Spamowitz - the 'advocate of fair competition' - why he doesn't spend years calling for Linux distros and apps to attach a reasonable price tag?Apr 18 19:04
MinceRi believe there's no person called "Spamowitz" hereApr 18 19:04
Guest36863Pass the message onto him for me.  Watch him run.Apr 18 19:04
MinceRnobody of that name respondedApr 18 19:04
MinceRlooks like you're looking in the wrong place.Apr 18 19:04
msbIn a free market, people set the prices of their products as they please.Apr 18 19:04
Guest36863There's no M$ or 'munchkins' either.Apr 18 19:05
Guest36863So what are you whining about?Apr 18 19:05
MinceRexcept for people like you, yesApr 18 19:05
msbThere are other forms of income than money, such as the satisfaction of helping other people.Apr 18 19:05
Guest36863If that's all they're looking for, why do they ask for donations?Apr 18 19:06
msbDFS is a psychopath and has no empathy, so he doesn't know about that.Apr 18 19:06
MinceRGuest36863: this might be surprising to you, but despite what bill gates believes, not all software development happens solely in the interest of profits.Apr 18 19:06
Guest36863How would you know what Gates believes?Apr 18 19:06
MinceRfrom his public letter to "hobbyists"Apr 18 19:07
MinceRbut you haven't read that either, have you?Apr 18 19:07
Guest36863He, MS and Windows have done so much more for the world than 'Free software' will do in 1000 lifetimes.Apr 18 19:07
MinceRfree software will indeed never do nearly so much harm as he didApr 18 19:07
MinceRGuest36863: so why are you advertising m$ here anyway? what's in it for you?Apr 18 19:08
MinceRdo they pay you?Apr 18 19:08
Guest36863So much harm that the world runs to MS throwing $80 billion a year at them.Apr 18 19:08
MinceRor have you merely made an ill-thought investment in them and aren't willing to learn anything else?Apr 18 19:08
MinceRyes, m$ corruption and market manipulation has led to them extorting a lot of money from people and statesApr 18 19:08
Guest36863Same idiocy found in the tiny brains of all FOSS wackos: "MS is paying you", "your job is threatened by Linux", blah blahApr 18 19:09
MinceRfor example, the hungarian government pays them a lot for crap they hand to students and lie that they're gratisApr 18 19:09
MinceRGuest36863: you still haven't answered any questions.Apr 18 19:09
Guest36863What questions?Apr 18 19:09
MinceRthe ones i asked youApr 18 19:09
msbMicrosoft has never, and probably will never, produce software that assists and augments human thought processes as effectively as GNU/Linux does.Apr 18 19:09
Guest36863MS isn't paying me.Apr 18 19:09
MinceRso, cognitive dissonance, then?Apr 18 19:10
MinceRor just plain old brain damage?Apr 18 19:10
Guest36863'assists and augments human thought processes'.... BWAHA!!!Apr 18 19:10
Guest36863What kind of nutjobs are you people?Apr 18 19:10
MinceRmsb: i think your words are confusing his tiny mindApr 18 19:10
MinceRGuest36863: yes, what kind of nutjob are you?Apr 18 19:10
msb" <Guest36863> If MS does have people posting to forums, so what?"Apr 18 19:11
Guest36863Hey, I bet both you dunces (msb and MinceR) have Windows jobs... most 'Linux advocates' do.Apr 18 19:11
msbHe as much as admitted it right there.Apr 18 19:11
MinceRGuest36863: that's a bet you'd loseApr 18 19:11
MinceRGuest36863: so, do you have any job at all?Apr 18 19:12
msbI think he's doing his job right now, right here.Apr 18 19:12
cubezzzI use a bunch of different operating sytemsApr 18 19:12
Guest36863What does it matter whether I have a Windows job, a Linux job, or no job?Apr 18 19:12
MinceRGuest36863: if it doesn't matter, why do you ask us about it?Apr 18 19:12
Guest36863What matters is when will Spamowitz - the 'advocate of fair competition' - call for LInux to begin competing fairly?Apr 18 19:12
MinceRGuest36863: does a windows advocate have a windows job?Apr 18 19:13
Guest36863So?Apr 18 19:13
MinceRyeah, so?Apr 18 19:13
cubezzzwindows user, what a surpriseApr 18 19:13
Guest36863When will it happen that the 'advocate of fair competition' actually advocates fair competition?Apr 18 19:14
Guest36863Never, that's for sure.  Apr 18 19:14
MinceRit happens all the timeApr 18 19:14
Guest36863Anyway, tell Spamowitz I dropped by and called out his lies and idiocy.Apr 18 19:14
MinceRthen again, i wouldn't expect a m$ munchkin to have any idea of what "fair competition" isApr 18 19:14
msbObviously MS is worried about the increasing adoption of GNU/Linux, even though the price of most computers that people buy already includes a payment to MS for Windows, even if the purchaser never uses Windows.Apr 18 19:14
MinceRit being anathema to m$, apparentlyApr 18 19:14
cubezzzsure, whatever mr anonymous 3848592Apr 18 19:15
msbDFS and about ten other MS spammers have totally trashed COLA for years, and made it useless as a Linux forum.Apr 18 19:16
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MinceRstrange, he gave upApr 18 19:18
MinceRdidn't get enough gratis licences for m$ crap this month?Apr 18 19:19
cubezzzok, I was going to kick him but I can't remember how to get opsApr 18 19:19
msbI have never used MS-Windows.  Around 1984 I made a terminal emulator in BASIC that I ran under PC-DOS on my 8088 IBM-PC and used it to communicate with a BSD Unix system at a local university.  Around 2000 I switched to Linux..Apr 18 19:19
MinceRcubezzz: /cs op #techrights Apr 18 19:19
MinceRor /chanserv op #techrights Apr 18 19:19
MinceRor /quote chanserv op #techrights Apr 18 19:19
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to cubezzzApr 18 19:20
MinceRor /raw chanserv op #techrights Apr 18 19:20
cubezzzyayApr 18 19:20
MinceRmsg works too, but is less secure :)Apr 18 19:20
cubezzzI can't believe I didn't write that downApr 18 19:20
MinceR(some scripts seem to use msg with a full nick!user@host spec, that's probably more secure than plain msg)Apr 18 19:20
cubezzzyou're more patient that me MinceR Apr 18 19:20
cubezzzI think I would have kicked him out soonerApr 18 19:21
msbMinceR: Your little person-picture in the Konversation nick list is bold, so I think that means you are already an op.Apr 18 19:21
MinceRnot really, i've asked Roy if i should remove him :>Apr 18 19:21
MinceRmsb: i am but cubezzz wanted to know how to get opApr 18 19:21
msbRight.Apr 18 19:21
cubezzzoh well, so much for today's excitementApr 18 19:22
MinceR:>Apr 18 19:22
cubezzzI didn't really understand his argumentsApr 18 19:23
msbDebating a shit-hole like that does clarify one's own thoughts on the subject.Apr 18 19:23
cubezzzI knew he'd be a windows person :)Apr 18 19:23
msbNobody could understand his arguments, because they were totally bogus.  Apr 18 19:24
cubezzzduh, I only know how to use one operating systemApr 18 19:24
cubezzzI didn't get the chance to ask him if he compiles his kernelApr 18 19:24
msbHis arguments were predicated on lies.Apr 18 19:24
cubezzzthat's my favourite anti-troll commentApr 18 19:24
MinceRlolApr 18 19:25
MinceRare you sure he knows what a "kernel" is? :>Apr 18 19:25
cubezzzam I sure? noApr 18 19:26
msbNot only doesn't he compile his own kernel (which I don't either, but I could), but he doesn't examine his own mind.  So he has no free will.  He's not really conscious.Apr 18 19:26
cubezzzit's like not knowing how to cookApr 18 19:28
*MinceR doesn't know how to cookApr 18 19:28
cubezzzso you eat fast food all the time... it's not healthyApr 18 19:28
MinceRnot all the timeApr 18 19:28
msbPsychopaths can't reconcile their thoughts and behavior with what they know is necessary for human survival and success.  So they can't examine their ideas and motives.  It would create too much cognitive dissonance.Apr 18 19:28
MinceRnot even most of the timeApr 18 19:28
cubezzzjust make mrproper, make menuconfig and pick what you wantApr 18 19:29
MinceRcooking doesn't work that way :>Apr 18 19:29
cubezzzcooking is like programming...Apr 18 19:30
msbAsian fast food can be excellent.Apr 18 19:30
MinceRyeah, i had chinese once this weekApr 18 19:30
cubezzzno one goes around saying "you can't use that recipe for apple pie"Apr 18 19:30
cubezzzit's just stupidApr 18 19:30
msbThere's a great Chinese place near me, and they deliver!Apr 18 19:31
MinceRwell, if m$ got into the food business, they wouldApr 18 19:31
cubezzzbut for some reason, people put up with closed source Apr 18 19:31
msbA. Most people don't know much about computing.  B. Microsoft spends huge amount of money on lying adverts to deceive people.Apr 18 19:32
cubezzzmsb, you're old enough to know about the pre-windows and pre-microsoft eraApr 18 19:32
cubezzzthere was sharing of code...Apr 18 19:32
msbTeriyaki, that was it!  There was a wonderful Japanese teryaki fast-food place in San Francisco I used to go to all the time.Apr 18 19:33
cubezzzon BBSes and even usenetApr 18 19:33
msbcubezzz: yes.  I used to see lots of sharing of Unix code on Usenet through my Unix account.Apr 18 19:34
msbA lot of it was archived on Simtel20 at White Sands AFB (or whatever it was).Apr 18 19:35
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3944638Apr 18 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: **"Driving" in style** ![](http://i.imgur.com/VjJ0Flz.gif) #gifApr 18 19:35
msbYou got it not by ftp, there was some other protocol, which I forget.Apr 18 19:35
schestowitz__"I guess I want to see those legs make like the roadrunner. But then I guess that should have been a Plymouth Roadrunner he pulled up next to."Apr 18 19:35
cubezzznot to mention a lot of magazines published source code listingsApr 18 19:35
cubezzzDr Dobb's published the source for Tiny BASIC in 1975Apr 18 19:36
cubezzzmsb, uucp?Apr 18 19:37
msbThere was a format for publishing source code in Usenet articles.  It wasn't compressed, but had some extra characters for getting whitespace right.Apr 18 19:37
MinceRuuencode?Apr 18 19:37
msbcubezzz: I remember uucp, but that was a lower-level protocol.Apr 18 19:38
cubezzzand the DECUS tapes, I've tapped into thatApr 18 19:39
cubezzzsome good stuff in thereApr 18 19:39
msbMinceR: yes, I think my terminal would do uuencode and uudecode, but this was something else.  I thing wget may still do it.Apr 18 19:39
MinceRicApr 18 19:39
cubezzzI think ftp predates even tcp/ipApr 18 19:40
cubezzzit used NCP, which was the precursor of tcp/ipApr 18 19:41
msbThis was another protocol for wandering around in a directory structure and downloading what you wanted.  But I can't remember the name!Apr 18 19:42
cubezzznot gopher?Apr 18 19:42
cubezzzWAIS?Apr 18 19:42
msbMaybe it was gopher.  That feels kind of close to it.Apr 18 19:43
msbSo long ago...Apr 18 19:43
MinceR"When Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy learned of BBN's accomplishment in signing this million-dollar agreement, he sent a telegram congratulating the company for being contracted to build the "Interfaith Message Processor"."Apr 18 19:45
MinceRi lol'dApr 18 19:46
cubezzzdohApr 18 19:46
msbGopher still has its adherents:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_%28protocol%29Apr 18 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Gopher (protocol) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h40ts ]Apr 18 19:49
MinceRindeedApr 18 19:49
MinceRhttp://port70.net/Apr 18 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-port70.net | Gopher:Apr 18 19:49
msb"The master Gopherspace search engine is Veronica. Veronica offers a keyword search of all the public Internet Gopher server menu titles. "Apr 18 19:50
MinceR" name derives from the word "archive" without the v. Alan Emtage has said that contrary to popular belief, there was no association with the Archie Comics and that he despised them.[5] Despite this, other early Internet search technologies such as Jughead and Veronica were named after characters from the comics."Apr 18 19:50
MinceRanother funny tidbitApr 18 19:51
MinceRalso, there was a "The" at the beginning that i've managed to not select.Apr 18 19:51
cubezzzthat Archie guy never agesApr 18 19:51
MinceR:>Apr 18 19:51
cubezzzhe's been in high school for over 70 yearsApr 18 19:51
msb "The master Gopherspace search engine" -- gives the impression of an enormous gopher who knows everything in the worldwide system of gopher tunnels.Apr 18 19:53
MinceRbut can't fit in them, as it's enormous :>Apr 18 19:54
msbGophers played an important part in the very funny movie Caddyshack (1980) with Bill Murray, Chevy Chase, and Rodney Dangerfield.  Definitely worth watching.Apr 18 19:55
msbIt can be found in that most naughty of naughty places, YIFY.Apr 18 19:57
msbOr so I once heard.Apr 18 19:57
MinceRyify? sounds naughtyApr 18 19:58
msbYes, it is full of extreme naughtiness, high-res x264 encoded in very small file size.Apr 18 20:00
msbOr so people say.Apr 18 20:01
msbThe IMDB trivia for Caddyshack is very interesting, but read it only after watching the movie.Apr 18 20:06
schestowitz__http://www.openpr.com/news/285689/Red-Hat-Enables-Cloud-Flexibility-with-Red-Hat-Enterprise-Linux-and-Google-Compute-Engine.html?SID=f1224f888df02a237f8c68d213ac47e3Apr 18 20:15
schestowitz__"Tim Yeaton, senior vice president, Infrastructure Group, Red Hat"Apr 18 20:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openpr.com | openPR.com - Press release - Red Hat Inc. - Red Hat Enables Cloud Flexibility with Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Google Compute Engine [ http://ur1.ca/h4125 ]Apr 18 20:15
schestowitz__Foermerly Black DuckApr 18 20:15
schestowitz__and RHAT before thatApr 18 20:15
schestowitz__now RHTApr 18 20:15
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cubezzzok, I've updated my basic linux notesApr 18 20:50
cubezzzhttp://www.cubeman.org/basic-linux.txtApr 18 20:51
msbThis is scary:  http://www.naturalnews.com/044778_artificial_intelligence_extinction_humankind.htmlApr 18 20:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalnews.com | Scientists warn the rise of AI will lead to extinction of humankind [ http://ur1.ca/h41i6 ]Apr 18 20:55
cubezzzlolApr 18 20:55
cubezzznot scary to meApr 18 20:55
cubezzzsince our AI really sucks :)Apr 18 20:56
MinceRi'm not sure that the extinction of humankind would be such a bad thingApr 18 20:56
msbLaugh while you can, Monkey boy.Apr 18 20:56
MinceRthat's ape, not monkey.Apr 18 20:56
MinceRalso ballmer is Monkey Boy.Apr 18 20:56
cubezzzI have way less hair that either :)Apr 18 20:57
cubezzzthan evenApr 18 20:57
msbIt's a line from Buckaroo Banzai, another very good movie, but not a comedy.Apr 18 20:57
MinceRi haven't seen it yetApr 18 20:58
cubezzzif I see robots lurching around everywhere then I might get a bit nervousApr 18 20:58
cubezzzbut all I see are roombas :)Apr 18 20:58
MinceRroombas are robotsApr 18 20:58
MinceRand they were seen carrying cats aroundApr 18 20:59
schestowitz__yikes:  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Mono_3.4 http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/770237-fedora-21-gets-gnome-312-php-56-mono-34/Apr 18 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/Mono 3.4 - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/h41k3 ]Apr 18 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Fedora 21 Gets GNOME 3.12, PHP 5.6, Mono 3.4 | Linux.com [ http://ur1.ca/h41k4 ]Apr 18 20:59
schestowitz__hopefully not by defaultApr 18 21:00
MinceRhttp://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2473590/cat-on-roomba-driver-o.gifApr 18 21:00
MinceRand so falls fedoraApr 18 21:00
cubezzzsee, this is why I study older stuffApr 18 21:00
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MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/r/catsridingroombas/Apr 18 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Cats riding motherfucking roombas [ http://ur1.ca/h41kv ]Apr 18 21:01
cubezzzha, there was hercules support in bl3Apr 18 21:02
cubezzzxmono.tgzApr 18 21:02
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msbThe important thing is that AI will not lead to the extinction of cats.  Apparently they have a symbiotic relationship.  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cat+roombaApr 18 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | cat roomba - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h41u6 ]Apr 18 21:21
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MinceR:)Apr 18 21:21
MinceRor should i say...Apr 18 21:22
MinceR:3Apr 18 21:22
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Sosumihttp://www.tomsguide.com/us/samsung-galaxy-s5-fingerprint-hack,news-18655.htmlApr 18 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomsguide.com | Samsung Galaxy S5's Fingerprint Scanner Hacked [ http://ur1.ca/h41xz ]Apr 18 21:35
Sosumijust like the hypephoneApr 18 21:35
MinceRit always was just security theaterApr 18 21:36
MinceRor even lessApr 18 21:36
Sosumia gimmick and in no way seller for cigar cuttersApr 18 21:36
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/psa-dozens-of-games-available-for-99-cents-each-on-psn-this-weekend/Apr 18 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | PSA: Dozens of games available for 99 cents each on PSN this weekend | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h421v ]Apr 18 21:54
Sosumilol sony trouncing m$Apr 18 21:54
Sosumitoo bad that the games seem mehApr 18 21:58
Sosumior is it me that is biased towards quake 3 arenaApr 18 21:58
Sosumiand those fast arena shootersApr 18 21:58
Sosumiof which no one makes anymoreApr 18 21:59
SosumignApr 18 21:59
MinceRo/Apr 18 21:59
msbhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z7EKD6N3HMApr 18 22:00
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cubezzzok msb_ you might find  this interestingApr 19 01:11
cubezzzthe video card glitch happened, so I tried the idea of using /sbin/modprobe vga16fb to see if I could make the text console visibleApr 19 01:13
cubezzzit worked but it needed two stepsApr 19 01:13
cubezzzfirst change from radeon to vesa driver in xorg.confApr 19 01:14
cubezzzthen /sbin/modprobe vga16fb Apr 19 01:14
cubezzzthen change from vesa back to radeonApr 19 01:14
cubezzzpoof.... text console works :)Apr 19 01:14
cubezzzfirst time I've ever been able to make the text console visible after the glitch happenedApr 19 01:15
cubezzzalso I can manifest the glitch on demand nowApr 19 01:20
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msbcubezzz: How did you do all this if the video card wasn't giving you a readable display?  Come in on the network from another computer, as root?Apr 19 02:11
msbcubezzz: Or was X working, even while the text console was messed up?Apr 19 02:12
cubezzzmsb_ yes that's itApr 19 04:01
cubezzzX is fine and viewable, only the text console is corruptedApr 19 04:01
cubezzzbut at least now I have a way to fix itApr 19 04:01
cubezzzthere doesn't seem to be any way to rmmod vga16fb Apr 19 04:07
msbcubezzz: After you do this, isn't your system using vga16fb for the text console?Apr 19 05:52
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MinceRgeekingsApr 19 12:57
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msbMinceR: Hi!Apr 19 13:38
msbFascism marches on:  http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/kill-switch-included-on-all-cell-phones.htmlApr 19 13:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.activistpost.com | Activist Post: ‘Kill Switch’ Included on All Cell Phones Made in U.S. by 2015 [ http://ur1.ca/h49ne ]Apr 19 13:39
MinceRwhat's even sadder, it will probably appear in cell phones made elsewhere, tooApr 19 13:40
msbAll those little black objects that people were holding up at the Bundy Ranch encounter with federal troops were cell phones, recording the troops' actions.Apr 19 13:40
msbNow cops and feds and any govt will be able to wipe those pix and videos instantly so they can't be used as evidence.Apr 19 13:41
MinceRi don't quite understand how "required" and "voluntary" go together in this case, thoughApr 19 13:41
msbI don't know, but all the phone mfrs are apparently in on it.  Now you'd think they'd be against that "anti-theft" measure, because if someone's phone is stolen, they're just gonna buy another one.  Ka-ching!Apr 19 13:43
msbLet's hope someone makes an open-source phone, or one that can be rooted, and this can be fixed by users.Apr 19 13:45
msbAs it is now, cops have to be very careful.  The *only* times they get convicted is when someone records their beating/shooting on a cell-phone.Apr 19 13:47
msbAnd more and more people have them.Apr 19 13:47
msbDamn!  Yahoo cut off all my list mail ten days ago because some mail bounced at some time, and hasn't sent me anything.  For all I know, the Earth could have ascended into the Fifth Dimension.Apr 19 14:22
msbIt's fascism all over again, I tell ya!Apr 19 14:23
MinceRit's bad idea to rely on yahoo anywayApr 19 14:23
msbWell, I was still getting stuff from a few non-yahoo lists.Apr 19 14:24
msbBut most lists moved to yahoo years ago.  It's the only way to access them.Apr 19 14:25
MinceRanyone could run their own lists on their own server(s) via mailman, for exampleApr 19 14:25
MinceRthere's no need to give the opportunity to cut anyone off to a microsoft shell company.Apr 19 14:26
msbAggh!  Yahoo is owned by MS??Apr 19 14:27
MinceRnot sure if they're owned by m$, but they serve m$Apr 19 14:27
msbHow?Apr 19 14:27
MinceRtheir "search engine" is nothing but a front end to bìng, for exampleApr 19 14:27
msbI just use google, a front end to the CIA.Apr 19 14:28
MinceRnot to the nsa?Apr 19 14:28
MinceRalso, you can achieve further isolation from google via startpage and/or torApr 19 14:28
msbYou're right, sorry.  Got my TLAs confused.Apr 19 14:28
msbWith my website, trying to hide is useless.Apr 19 14:29
MinceRyou could still deprive them of some information, thoughApr 19 14:29
msbNothing that would do me any good.Apr 19 14:30
msbMinceR: The possible future:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQMAGT-3wx4Apr 19 14:34
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msbMinceR: Hopefully you're not at work and can listen to it.Apr 19 14:35
MinceRicApr 19 14:41
msbMinceR: That's the future we want to *prevent*.Apr 19 14:57
msbMinceR: Have you lived through that kind of thing?Apr 19 14:58
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cubeman_msb_, yeah it must beApr 19 15:05
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cubezzzalso I don't seem to have any mouse access using vga16fbApr 19 15:07
msbcubezzz: hey, could I phone you on xxx-x218?Apr 19 15:08
cubezzzit would be a long distance callApr 19 15:09
msbcubezzz: I have free LD to there.Apr 19 15:09
cubezzzokApr 19 15:10
MinceRmsb: not yetApr 19 15:11
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/history-of-x.txtApr 19 15:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Two new features coming to ChromebooksApr 19 15:39
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schestowitz_bed2And that is me finished for the day.  Yet again I’ve neglected my writing and tomorrow I’ll hopefully be recording for the TechBytes show (as well as having a day of football viewing) – so thats another day lost.  For those interested TechBytes is part of a collaborative work under the BytesMedia umbrella.  You can visit the site here: http://www.bytesmedia.co.uk .https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3951927Apr 19 16:39
schestowitz_bed2"Alot of sites do that now. Combined with how much flash player slows computers and the lack of analog volume controls on modern PCs and it's a recipe for disaster."Apr 19 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bytesmedia.co.uk | Bytes Media - Sites IndexApr 19 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nytimes started this very annoying thing which is auto-playing videos. Load a page and it may then cause embarrassment in a public place.Apr 19 16:39
cubezzzyeah flash kind of sucksApr 19 17:48
schestowitz_bed2I don't need it, but Androiud Apr 19 18:38
schestowitz_bed2included it by defaultApr 19 18:39
schestowitz_bed2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program)  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security  https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/09/crucial-unanswered-questions-about-nsa-bullrun-programApr 19 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Bullrun (decryption program) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h4d26 ]Apr 19 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Revealed: how US and UK spy agencies defeat internet privacy and security | World news | Guardian Weekly [ http://ur1.ca/fe498 ]Apr 19 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Crucial Unanswered Questions about the NSA's BULLRUN Program | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/fgbam ]Apr 19 19:13
schestowitz_bed2"There are real NSA programs designed to weaken encryption standards and specific implementations but Orchestra is a fictional operation imagined by Poul-Henning Kamp. Kamp was using the imagined program as a way of explaining otherwise inexplicable behavior and to propose concerted effort to clean up stuff like OpenSSL. Bullrun [2, 3] is an example of a program specifically designed to weaken encryption in the way Kamp was Apr 19 19:13
schestowitz_bed2talking about."Apr 19 19:13
schestowitz_bed2It might be trademarked. Either way, guess who grabbed the domain and comemercialised it? it's not the man from Google. He even gave money he got to the proxy that funds WIKILEAKS :-)Apr 19 19:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat CEO Outlines Linux Growth StrategyApr 19 19:17
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3951079Apr 19 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: **Scientology Has a Dirty Little Secret. And L. Ron Hubbard’s Great-Grandson Just Exposed It. | Mobiledia** - http://www.mobiledia.com/news/191386.htmlApr 19 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mobiledia.com | Scientology Has a Dirty Little Secret. And L. Ron Hubbard’s Great-Grandson Just Exposed It. | Mobiledia [ http://ur1.ca/h4d4w ]Apr 19 19:20
schestowitz_bed2"Scientology is a bunch of ridiculous BS without ANY sense. Also, if you read about all of that crap then it becomes clear that the guy had a serious mental illness, was deluded, or just was a great prankster with Sci-Fi twist."Apr 19 19:20
schestowitz_bed2A lot of bigger religions with broader following are equally ridiculous, just like their prophets or originators.Apr 19 19:20
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3949149Apr 19 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: **The JOY of Easter** ![](http://37.media.tumblr.com/9335a6bec7de229de835e376ca26bd4a/tumblr_n48j1bpEgi1qjnhqgo1_500.jpg) ![](http://24.media.tumblr.com/94a87f83e0c14d915636896248703fe2/tumblr_n41srzBD9p1tyfxeuo2_250.gif) #easter #gifApr 19 19:20
schestowitz_bed2"Hahah, the first pic blew my mind. Superfunny!"Apr 19 19:20
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3952428Apr 19 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![](http://24.media.tumblr.com/6ce62a34a753df3b7cd52cd5fe6a020e/tumblr_n3952nDwx21qaiyl9o1_500.jpg)Apr 19 19:21
schestowitz_bed2"Still more credible than the bible..."Apr 19 19:21
cubezzzlol, scaryApr 19 19:25
MinceR:)Apr 19 19:26
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cubezzzschestowitz, if you're still around you may appreciate this:Apr 19 19:58
cubezzzhttp://www.emulators.com/docs/nx02_standards.htmApr 19 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.emulators.com | NO EXECUTE! Sep. 10 2007 [ http://ur1.ca/h4djj ]Apr 19 19:59
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3953268Apr 19 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Deaths monetiser #EliLilly asks politicians to help it profit from deaths using extortionate monopolies (patents) http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140416/12350326936/eli-lilly-enlists-us-representatives-fight-against-canada-refusing-patent-useless-drug.shtmlApr 19 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com | Eli Lilly Enlists Congress In Fight Against Canada For Refusing Patent On Useless Drug | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/h3tza ]Apr 19 20:50
schestowitz_bed2"I'm not in favour of having any IP anymore, but the "useful" requirement seems to be the least important one of the three to me. If they ditched it altogether and actually applied "original" and "non-obvious" I wouldn't be at all upset: If the patent is useful then they'll be able to licence it If it's non-useful then noone will want to licence it anyway"Apr 19 20:50
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtHmKLHtZvgApr 19 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Richard Stallman interview pt2, Windows and Apple rob privacy (15July13) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h4e6a ]Apr 19 20:53
schestowitz_bed2cubezzz: it's very long, which part is most relevant?Apr 19 20:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenMandriva RC1 is released!Apr 19 21:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     For Red Hat, it's RHEL and then…?Apr 19 21:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenMandriva RC1 is released! | Tux MachinesApr 19 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | For Red Hat, it's RHEL and then…? | Tux MachinesApr 19 21:03
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cubezzzschestowitz, it's very interesting, a microsoft guy was criticizing microsoftApr 19 23:33
cubezzzI worked at Microsoft at a time when the company had pretty much taken the market share away from Lotus 1-2-3, Word Perfect, and dBase. By the mid-1990's, Microsoft all but owned the word processing and spreadsheet spaces. And with that control it regularly modified the file formats for applications such as Word and Excel, and even Outlook and PowerPoint. The Office file formats change just about every 2 or 3 years and I have lost track of how many uniqApr 19 23:34
cubezzzue Office file formats there have been.Apr 19 23:34
cubezzzAfter owning over 90% of the word processor and spreadsheet market they apparently started to assume that all their customers would just blindly upgrade Microsoft Office every yearApr 19 23:34
cubezzzthis from a former Microsoft guyApr 19 23:35
cubezzzhe even uses the same terminology I used...Apr 19 23:37
cubezzzthe "Dark Ages" of personal computingApr 19 23:37
cubezzzalthough I disagree when the Dark Ages happenedApr 19 23:38
cubezzzhe says 2000 to 2005Apr 19 23:38
cubezzzI'd say it's more like 1995 to 2003Apr 19 23:38
MinceRi'm not sure if it's over yetApr 19 23:44
schestowitz_bed2Microsoft people have to start planning an exitApr 19 23:47
schestowitz_bed2or they will die along with MSApr 19 23:47
MinceRi wouldn't mind if they didApr 19 23:48
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3953316Apr 19 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft Abandons #Windows 8.1: Take Immediate Action Or Be Cut Off Like #WindowsXP http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/04/15/microsoft-abandons-windows-8-1-take-immediate-action-or-be-cut-off-like-windows-xp/ http://techrights.org/2014/04/18/crackers-and-windows/Apr 19 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com | Microsoft Abandons Windows 8.1: Take Immediate Action Or Be Cut Off Like Windows XP - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/h4eld ]Apr 19 23:48
schestowitz_bed2"@Sean: I only need windows temporarily for a programming thing. I'm thinking of ditching it once it's done.Apr 19 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Microsoft is Leaving Windows — Including Vista 8.1 — Vulnerable to Non-Government Crackers, Not Only to NSA | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/h4elf ]Apr 19 23:48
schestowitz_bed2"I only use it to write for my Ph.D. program. There are some style requirements and compatibility issues that I cannot solve with LibreOffice. So having it as something I bring up only when needed while preserving my Linux environment is perfect. And yes, I've repeatedly tried running Office under Wine. I've failed every time."Apr 19 23:48
schestowitz_bed2Older versions should workApr 19 23:48
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3951994Apr 19 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Forget Dropbox: #BitTorrent Sync Allows You To Skip the Cloud Entirely http://betabeat.com/2014/04/forget-dropbox-bittorrent-sync-allows-you-to-skip-the-cloud-entirely/ move your files away from #prism this EasterApr 19 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betabeat.com | Forget Dropbox: BitTorrent Sync Allows You To Skip the Cloud Entirely | Betabeat [ http://ur1.ca/h4dzy ]Apr 19 23:49
schestowitz_bed2"true dat, about time they open up the sources, as they promised"Apr 19 23:49
MinceRi wrote my first thesis with openoffice and the second with LaTeXApr 19 23:50
schestowitz_bed2I used lyxApr 19 23:50
MinceRi edited the latex source with vimApr 19 23:51
msbMinceR: "<MinceR> i wouldn't mind if they [died with MS]"  MinceR, you should not insult or attack Windows *users*.  They are our future *customers*!  (at no cost)Apr 19 23:52
cubezzzMinceR, well the chromebooks seem to be doing wellApr 19 23:52
MinceRmsb: some of them are entirely deserving of insults, thoughApr 19 23:52
cubezzzI'd say the worst is over, hopefully?Apr 19 23:52
msbMinceR: Why?Apr 19 23:53
MinceRmsb: some of them are part of the problemApr 19 23:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Screenshots of Ubuntu-based DistrosApr 19 23:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Screenshots of Ubuntu-based Distros | Tux MachinesApr 19 23:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     We still believe in Linus’ law after HeartbleedApr 19 23:53
TweetTuxMachines                 bug, says Elie Auvray of JahiaApr 19 23:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | We still believe in Linus’ law after Heartbleed bug, says Elie Auvray of Jahia | Tux MachinesApr 19 23:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Please protest the "Windows 8 Campus Tour"Apr 19 23:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Please protest the "Windows 8 Campus Tour" | Tux MachinesApr 19 23:53
MinceRmsb: some of them are fighting engineers to drag us into m$ hellApr 19 23:53
msbMinceR: How, unless they are MS advocates?Apr 19 23:53
cubezzzdid that Guest guy make a re-appearance?Apr 19 23:53
MinceRsome m$ users are m$ advocatesApr 19 23:53
MinceRcubezzz: no, afaikApr 19 23:53
msbRight, they should be attacked.  But not non-advocate ms users.  They are current victims, and our future customers and associates.Apr 19 23:54
cubezzzyeah, you can't attack customers :)Apr 19 23:54
msbI had to tell this to Linux advocates on COLA all the time when I was on there.  Most of them didn't listen.Apr 19 23:55
MinceRmsb: our future customers and associates won't die with m$Apr 19 23:56
MinceR_because_ they'll become our future customers and associates.Apr 19 23:56
msbBut if we're nasty to them, they'll think of Linux people as nasty, just like MS has been telling them we are!Apr 19 23:57
msbThey might go to Mac instead.Apr 19 23:58
msbIck.Apr 19 23:58
MinceRcrApple should die tooApr 19 23:58
msbYepApr 19 23:58
MinceRthey seem to be declining as wellApr 19 23:58
cubezzzthe market is gluttedApr 19 23:58
cubezzzPCs are really on the declineApr 19 23:59
cubezzzpartly because people aren't upgrading as oftenApr 19 23:59
cubezzzpartly because of mobile computing devicesApr 19 23:59
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455251777534042112 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455248258936627200  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455248073657421824  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455247523184410624Apr 13 08:53
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455246832877449216  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455245630521503744  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455244360444293120Apr 13 08:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: University Of Maryland Explores Open Source Textbooks http://t.co/SZLrjlxILy #sharing economyApr 13 08:54
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/RichardSmedley/status/455252646493188096 https://twitter.com/RichardSmedley/status/455252882787680256Apr 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RichardSmedley: @schestowitz Interesting. Where is the hardware equivalent of sourceforge? Perhaps github works as well for circuit revisions as code?Apr 13 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RichardSmedley: @schestowitz ...though there's OpenCores for CPUs, of course.Apr 13 09:28
schestowitz_log_I think you have identified a gap; would be nice to have schematic diff, commit, etc.Apr 13 09:29
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schestowitz_log_nice simple widget: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/64917Apr 13 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Weekend in Techrights | Tux MachinesApr 13 11:11
schestowitz_log_oops. handy: http://countingdownto.com/Apr 13 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-countingdownto.com | Create a Countdown Clock Widget for Your Website | CountingDownTo.comApr 13 11:11
schestowitz_log_That's the right linkApr 13 11:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455292033939537920 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455290488216911874Apr 13 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Indian press turns #greenwald into an #apple product http://t.co/aJhX7kbPIyApr 13 11:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Economist Thomas Piketty's message is bleak: the gap between rich and poor threatens to destroy us" http://t.co/rYvlnaXLVsApr 13 11:32
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/p/3920193Apr 13 11:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Silicon Valley co...Apr 13 11:42
schestowitzSilicon Valley could force NSA reform, tomorrow. What's taking so long? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/12/silicon-valley-nsa-reform-taking-so-long #obama works for1% & #nsa which works for the 1%Apr 13 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Silicon Valley could force NSA reform, tomorrow. What's taking so long? | Trevor Timm | Comment is free | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/h2ind ]Apr 13 11:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IanTheInventor/status/455296444573163520Apr 13 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IanTheInventor: @schestowitz @PaulbernalUK I thought Copyright infringement was about people profiting from pretending to be an established businessApr 13 11:52
schestowitzDepends what the copyright is on, e.g. work of dead artist...Apr 13 11:52
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cubezzzoiaohm, I'm reading here it's possible for the console to be taken over by a loadable moduleApr 13 11:55
cubezzze.g. /sbin/modprobe uvesafbApr 13 11:57
schestowitzwow, neocons: http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/13697/nsa-leaks-fallout-will-fade-faster-than-hit-to-u-s-prideApr 13 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldpoliticsreview.com | NSA Leaks Fallout Will Fade Faster Than Hit to U.S. Pride [ http://ur1.ca/h2it4 ]Apr 13 12:15
schestowitzhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2014/04/11/national-security-agency-heartbleed-bug-spying/7609019/Apr 13 12:16
schestowitz"Even if we are to believe the NSA, and I'm reluctant given its shaky track record, the damage has been done to the tech community."Apr 13 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | First Take: The Latest Apparent NSA Outrage [ http://ur1.ca/h2itj ]Apr 13 12:16
schestowitzhttp://www.foxbaltimore.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/gogo-other-wifi-providers-gives-information-nsa-27091.shtmlApr 13 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxbaltimore.com | Go-Go And Other Wi-Fi Providers Gives Information To NSA - WBFF Fox Baltimore - Top Stories [ http://ur1.ca/h2iu4 ]Apr 13 12:21
msb_ "Even if we are to believe the NSA, and I'm reluctant given its shaky track record, the damage has been done to the tech community."Apr 13 13:02
msb_Perhaps all the revelations of NSA spying have benefitted the tech community.  Apr 13 13:03
msb_Many techies tend to be apolitical, perhaps because technology provides such an enjoyable area of interest, while politics are unpleasant.Apr 13 13:04
msb_But now, a whole new array of people have been forced to realize how evil -- untrustworthy and harmful -- the U.S. government actually is.Apr 13 13:05
msb_It has hit them where they live.Apr 13 13:05
msb_Awareness of the evil is the most important factor in ridding the world of it.Apr 13 13:06
cubezzzwell that was interestingApr 13 13:06
cubezzzI actually managed to change the text consoleApr 13 13:06
msb_More and more people are questioning the 9/11 attacks, which were the pretext for the US/Israeli War of Terror.Apr 13 13:07
msb_Every increase in people's awareness of the dominator psychopaths is a step forward.Apr 13 13:08
cubezzzoiaohm, I mangaged to switch from bog standard 80x25 text to vga16fbApr 13 13:09
cubezzzanyways, it's in the log if you ever come across itApr 13 13:09
msb_Congrats cubezzz.  Yes, IIRC, you can do that with kernel options at startup.Apr 13 13:10
cubezzzmsb_, this is dynamicApr 13 13:10
msb_Oho!Apr 13 13:10
msb_So it's a loadable kernel module?Apr 13 13:11
cubezzzyesApr 13 13:11
cubezzzworks in 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, although those are the only 2 I've tried so farApr 13 13:13
cubezzznow the interesting part is... will this fix a messed up text consoleApr 13 13:13
msb_Exactly what I was going to ask.Apr 13 13:14
cubezzzwell I have to get it to mess up first to test thatApr 13 13:14
msb_How often has it been happening?Apr 13 13:14
cubezzzhaApr 13 13:14
cubezzzit happens about once or twice a monthApr 13 13:15
msb_Do you monitor your cpu and mobo temperature sensors?Apr 13 13:15
msb_KDE4 system monitor can do that.Apr 13 13:16
cubezzzyou can monitor my sensors :)Apr 13 13:16
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/cgi-bin/sensors.cgiApr 13 13:16
cubezzzI don't think I'm using -12V or -5VApr 13 13:18
cubezzzI think -12V was actually dropped from ATX a while backApr 13 13:18
msb_Isn't science wonderful!Apr 13 13:21
msb_What program gives you that listing?Apr 13 13:21
cubezzzit's part of lm_sensorsApr 13 13:26
cubezzzyeah KDE 3.X probably has somethingApr 13 13:28
cubezzzbut it's nice to be able to use it in text modeApr 13 13:28
msb_I just loaded an rpm that supposedly has it, but it's not showing up yet.  Have to look in half an hour when this anime' I'm watching is over.Apr 13 13:33
msb_There's so much I don't know.  I feel like I'm Dilbert going up against Techno-Bill!Apr 13 13:34
cubezzzwell I was in the video game industry for quite a whileApr 13 13:36
cubezzzso I picked up a bit about low-level stuffApr 13 13:37
msb_At least I was an expert on the IBM-PC.  Used to write wedges that went into the BIOS interrupt chains.Apr 13 13:37
cubezzzprobably the coreboot guys know the mostApr 13 13:37
cubezzzthe learning curve is a lot higher nowApr 13 13:38
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cubezzzso many different motherboards, chipsets, etcApr 13 13:38
msb_And I'm also putting a lot of effort into understanding and publicizing what's really going on in the world, e.g., http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911Apr 13 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneApr 13 13:40
msb_And  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYApr 13 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ]Apr 13 13:42
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schestowitzRussian propagandahttp://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_13/CIAs-head-has-come-to-Ukraine-to-instruct-power-agencies-unofficial-source-6354/ http://www.voanews.com/content/the-cias-cultural-war-against-soviet-russia/1890560.html Apr 13 13:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com | CIA's head has come to Ukraine to instruct power agencies - unofficial source - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/h2j8h ]Apr 13 13:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | The CIA’s Cultural War Against Soviet Russia [ http://ur1.ca/h2j8i ]Apr 13 13:50
schestowitz Federal Court: Drone Killing of U.S. Citizens Is Constitutional http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/18019-federal-court-drone-killing-of-u-s-citizens-is-constitutional and if this does not worry the population, nothing willApr 13 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenewamerican.com | Federal Court: Drone Killing of U.S. Citizens Is Constitutional [ http://ur1.ca/h2j9s ]Apr 13 13:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/455334379280027649Apr 13 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @schestowitz Not yet, I really hope something like #Heartbleed turns up in #Snowden's leaked docs. Exploits like this are their everyday jobApr 13 14:21
schestowitzOne job among several, and the goal is not to fix em :-)Apr 13 14:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455334172689965056  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455331932705128448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455330615530098688Apr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Links: Surveillance, Intervention, Torture and Drones http://t.co/XamlTGNwhU "spreading democracy", aggressivelyApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Links: Surveillance, Intervention, Torture and Drones | TechrightsApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CNN: "CIA...called things like waterboarding "enhanced interrogation methods." But the only adequate word to describe them is "torture.""Apr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: US Interrogator Calls CIA Program 'Stanford Prison Experiment Writ Large' http://t.co/TJX1jyKnlH experiment on live sampleApr 13 14:22
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455330188617089024 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455329791148052480 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455329535081603072Apr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Rep. Ellison calls for speedy release of report on CIA interrogations http://t.co/5PQoTtYDmJ asking truth from the #cia a risky propositionApr 13 14:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CIA profiling reminds US Arabs of the Mukhabarat http://t.co/zpxQBpK6Gz #mccarthyismApr 13 14:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CIA's "harsh interrogations" exceeded legal authority - report http://t.co/4WS9azV99U hence, no authority exists above CIAApr 13 14:22
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455329349622038528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455329102829207552    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455328531040727040    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455327946530914304Apr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It seems as though, based on sources inside the #nsa , #heatbleed used by NSA for years, but NSA denies it b/c there's no leaked docApr 13 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: One leak can do a while lot more than a lot of activism which can be denied as "false" http://t.co/ifh0lDLRte http://t.co/6QRsHVxm97Apr 13 14:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Now We Know What's Being Done In Our Name http://t.co/UAbbrrGWlA and we can do more to stop this. #snowden #wikileaksApr 13 14:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Those not distracted by #gop #propaganda (mostly Fox) over #morell may have seen reports such as (2013): http://t.co/H2aNSwbePCApr 13 14:22
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455327240499503104  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455327240499503104  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455326743944253440Apr 13 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Syria #cia and #mi6 intervention: "Ankara worked with the US and Britain to smuggle Gaddafi's guns to rebel groups" http://t.co/XCgXFviy9nApr 13 14:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The leaked report about #cia #torture reveals Zero Dark Thirty to be not just #propaganda but also #revisionism - #torture did not work.Apr 13 14:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When cracker does not work for government, s/he starts nuclear war. When cracker works for government, it's security. We are the Good Guys!Apr 13 14:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: According to #nytimes (Pentagon apologist), #obama is now cracker in chief and the whole nation should be proud of it. #crimeApr 13 14:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #oppression example of #cia and #nsa is now inspiring tyrannies elsewhere http://t.co/WLV4JdrjCU 'US model' spreads.Apr 13 14:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: US did not arrest or harass journalists, hopefully not just out of fear of Streisand Effect http://t.co/wfaCN9M1oA http://t.co/QkrC03Uj4WApr 13 14:29
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msb_Note the use of special words that somehow induce people to turn off their humanity.  "War" -- actually means attacking and invading a country that never did anything against the U.S., and murdering a million of its people.  But if the govt calls it "war" then Americans accept these MILLION MURDERS as being OK.  Whereas one murder makes headlines.Apr 13 15:30
msb_"Insurgent" actually means a person trying to defend their country against the American mass-murdering invaders.  But when these defenders are labelled "insurgents", then Americans think it's great to murder them.Apr 13 15:32
msb_...and torture them too.Apr 13 15:32
msb_The use of these propaganda words is a form of mind-control.Apr 13 15:33
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msb_Described by George Orwell in _1984_ (published in 1949) -- "We Have Always Been At War With Eastasia"Apr 13 15:36
SosuminoApr 13 15:38
Sosumithere are many forms of warApr 13 15:38
Sosumisome include slander or character assassinationApr 13 15:39
Sosumito economic warfareApr 13 15:39
Sosumieither in the form of sanctions or shipping the problem abroadApr 13 15:40
Sosumikind of like US did in 2008Apr 13 15:40
Sosumiin shipping its problems to the euroApr 13 15:40
Sosumitoo bad the characters upn the in frankfurt and bruxels failed to see thatApr 13 15:41
Sosumi*up there in Frankfurt...Apr 13 15:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455355416743272449 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455355856910303232Apr 13 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "readable, clear, innocent and straightforward as possible, and yet it must fail to perform at its apparent function" http://t.co/jgLf7v5rmLApr 13 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Who Pays the Price? The Human Cost of Electronics http://t.co/b2t99QhFPe #externalityApr 13 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #cia #nsa operation #ORCHESTRA http://t.co/vZU99Pcuh6 bringing people for #bugdoorsApr 13 15:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3920971Apr 13 15:49
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schestowitzhmm.. kills itApr 13 15:50
msb_Sosumi: Remember General Semantics -- *subscripting*.  A single word -- "war" -- may have many uses and meanings.  war1 does not equal  war2.  That doesn't disprove the fact that war1 is used as mind-control -- a trigger-word to make the listener turn off their humanity. Apr 13 15:51
Sosumiheartbleed only proved two thingsApr 13 15:51
Sosumi1, don't overwork yourselfApr 13 15:51
Sosumi2, you need proper quality assurance aka do the code reviewing with your head in the right placeApr 13 15:52
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Sosumimsb_ is at it again, trigger words, yes and standardized behaviour that come from the media and moviesApr 13 15:54
Sosumiwe "all" should know thatApr 13 15:54
Sosumibut nvmApr 13 15:54
Sosumior you'll blow it out of proportion as usualApr 13 15:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455357883958702080  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455358098153406464Apr 13 15:54
msb_Sosumi: Are you saying that when I note that most Americans are mind-controlled so they don't care if their government murders two million people, that I'm "blow[ing] it out of proportion" ?Apr 13 15:57
Sosumippl are so jaded right now about everything that they resort to all sorts of escapismApr 13 15:58
Sosumiin order to not hear abou problems any moreApr 13 15:58
Sosumiwhich takes to ask you if you know why the math book committed suicideApr 13 15:59
msb_Sosumi: So your explanation is not that they're being mindcontrolled but that they're "jaded"?Apr 13 15:59
Sosumi*meApr 13 15:59
Sosumibecause it was filled it problemsApr 13 15:59
Sosumisame thing, most folks can take 1 or 2 crisis at the same timeApr 13 16:00
msb_And yet people react to a single murder reported in the news.Apr 13 16:00
Sosumiafter that, puff mind blown and they can't take it anymoreApr 13 16:00
Sosumiand there comes your prozac and alikesApr 13 16:01
Sosumino idea of what goes on amerikkkan news channelsApr 13 16:01
SosumiI just report it how I observe it hereApr 13 16:01
Sosumiin lisbon or in londistanApr 13 16:01
msb_Well, the main thing is that our news never describes US atrocities accurately in context.Apr 13 16:02
msb_It always uses lying propaganda words like "insurgent".Apr 13 16:02
msb_The reason is simple: The US news media are controlled by the same ultra-wealthy psychopaths that control the US government.Apr 13 16:03
msb_schestowitz: The Underhanded C Contest is hilarious!Apr 13 16:06
schestowitzhttp://www.thelocal.de/20140402/german-town-passau-bans-mother-from-calling-child-wikileaksApr 13 16:27
schestowitzBut imposing Islam on baby is OKApr 13 16:27
schestowitzAnd in the UK the most common baby name is now an ethnic cleanser who married a 9-year-old after murdering her parentsApr 13 16:27
schestowitzinsurgent is a nebulous termApr 13 16:28
schestowitzyou might as well call insugents the additional troops that the US send to invasionsApr 13 16:29
schestowitzand remember who's being invader; reversal of roles here: people invade by trying to chase away an invaderApr 13 16:29
Sosumiisn't that called amarikkkan exceptionalismApr 13 16:35
msb_ schestowitz: America imposed Islam on Afghanistan by arming the Mujahiddeen in the 80's as a way of making trouble for the USSR.Apr 13 16:36
msb_Islam, and the related Judaism and Christianity, all have a genocidal psychopath deity, and all promote male-supremacy.  All are harmful and should not be imposed on anyone.  http://www.evilbible.com/Apr 13 16:38
msb_"insurgent" is a lying propaganda word used to label people who are trying to defend their country against a mass-murdering US invasion/takeover.  That's what the word is used for.Apr 13 16:40
Sosumihttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2MjcApr 13 16:47
Sosumi"The GNOME Foundation Is Running Short On Money"Apr 13 16:47
Sosumignome 3 is awesome, notApr 13 16:49
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schestowitzSosumi: see the reasonApr 13 17:14
schestowitzpromotion of feminism is not cheapApr 13 17:14
schestowitzequality does not, IMHO, require PRApr 13 17:14
schestowitzand Karen Sandler recently stepped downApr 13 17:14
schestowitzshe went back to SFLCApr 13 17:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455370228877504512 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455369176417579008    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455368771554009088Apr 13 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The British army doesn’t want you to know what it did in Afghanistan http://t.co/irZF1Fs3aV http://t.co/0Ag3n0XmQf http://t.co/IEnLLUncaVApr 13 17:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "The UK authorities are trying to block their own report on Afghanistan." http://t.co/touI57HHHA #uk #censorshipApr 13 17:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Wikileaks case: Chelsea Manning's appeals lawyer calls soldier's 35-year sentence excessive http://t.co/fLkAsSsMET 35 years proportionalApr 13 17:16
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455366097899126786  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455365446603386881    https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/455364965969698816Apr 13 17:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: DOJ Seeks Dismissal of Case Challenging NDAA Indefinite Detention http://t.co/h0jneNtbor #cia #torture for #us citizens alsoApr 13 17:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Al-Qaeda and #cia fighting common enemies http://t.co/Fh1Rax8RneApr 13 17:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Thinking of Trying Linux Mint 16 Cinnemon on Old Systems http://t.co/Da0JbjXD29 #linuxmint #gnu #linuxApr 13 17:17
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SosumiI didn't know that something like an equal rights for male and female devs required moneyApr 13 17:26
Sosumilike putting some PR stuff on their website like "everyone is welcome to contribute"Apr 13 17:27
Sosumidoesn't seem like a money pitApr 13 17:27
Sosuminow if they misused the funds well, the ppl who did so must be held accountableApr 13 17:28
Sosumibut as for me, I'd just let gnome goApr 13 17:28
schestowitzdoesn't red hat sponsor it?Apr 13 17:35
Sosumithey doApr 13 17:36
Sosumibut I'd rather prefer that they didn'tApr 13 17:36
Sosumiand instead supported mate or enlightenment or windowmakerApr 13 17:37
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/samsungs-cancer-stricken-workers-are-focus-of-new-debate-in-south-korea/Apr 13 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Samsung’s cancer-stricken workers are focus of fresh debate in South Korea | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h2kkb ]Apr 13 17:44
cubezzzwrite your own wmApr 13 17:50
cubezzzpick the toolkit you like...Apr 13 17:50
Sosumino timeApr 13 17:51
cubezzzmodern jwm compiles in 30 secs or less :)Apr 13 18:11
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_Goblinschestowitz, you there?Apr 13 18:14
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roy_sebsebseb: Apr 13 21:18
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_GoblinWhat an interesting episode.....great stuff Roy...look forward to hearing it.Apr 13 21:32
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Sosumimore news about the hypephoneApr 13 22:08
Sosumiaside from the thiner design and a new cpu (so they say)Apr 13 22:08
Sosumiit'll still keep the paltry 1 GB ramApr 13 22:08
Sosumiwhich is laughable at bestApr 13 22:09
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MinceRnot as laughable as the OSApr 13 22:09
Sosumiand no details about the next iteration of the lsdOSApr 13 22:10
Sosumibut the samsung fork of android doesn't seem that great eitherApr 13 22:16
Sosumicompared to the lsdOSApr 13 22:17
Sosumione is lackingApr 13 22:17
Sosumithe other is bloatedApr 13 22:17
MinceRmy phone can handle that bloat :>Apr 13 22:19
Sosumiwhich phone do you have?Apr 13 22:19
MinceRsamsung galaxy note ii lteApr 13 22:20
Sosumihas samsung already released the kitkat update for it?Apr 13 22:21
MinceRdunnoApr 13 22:23
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msb_Hi MinceR!Apr 14 09:38
msb_MinceR: If you're there, I think there's a simple set of economic concepts that we could both agree on, and thereby stop fighting with each other, bringing up the past, and telling each other to go live somewhere.  If you're there, I'll lay it out.Apr 14 09:47
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msb_MinceR: OK, first some (alternative) sociology.  There are two types of society -- Partnership and Dominator.  In partnership societies everyone has fairly equivalent social standing, and they treat each other as they themselves would want to be treated.  In dominator societies, there is substantial stratification in wealth and power, with those at the top exploiting those below.Apr 14 10:14
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msb_MinceR: These terms are used in the seminal book _The Chalice and the Blade_, by Riane Eisler.  Essential reading!Apr 14 10:15
msb_MinceR: Dominator systems are run by psychopaths.Apr 14 10:16
msb_MinceR: Now to economics.  Capitalism and Socialism each have Partnership and Dominator versions.Apr 14 10:17
msb_MinceR: For capitalism, and example of a partnership system would be a wonderful market I shop at.  Every morning their trucks go to farms and farmers' markets and buy vegetables, bring them back to the urban market, and sell them cheaper than supermarkets -- often half the price.Apr 14 10:19
msb_MinceR: For dominator capitalism, an example is the US corporate/government system, which utilizes mass murder (millions of victims) for profit.  9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, ...Apr 14 10:21
msb_MinceR: For partnership socialism, there's Nicaragua, which has a democratically elected socialist government, and sharing of resources such as agricultural equipment.  For dominator socialism, there was Stalinist USSR.Apr 14 10:23
msb_MinceR's name is greyed out in the nick list.  I hope he can scroll back when he returns.Apr 14 10:24
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Sosumimsb_ againApr 14 10:47
Sosumiblowing everything out of proportionApr 14 10:47
msb_Sosumi: Please clarify.Apr 14 10:48
MinceRmsb_: i'm processing itApr 14 10:49
MinceRmsb_: the theory seems to make sense; i'm not sure about Nicaragua (or whether "partnership socialism" was ever implemented)Apr 14 10:51
MinceRmsb_: i'm looking up the bookApr 14 10:51
MinceRmaybe i'll rea ditApr 14 10:53
MinceRs/ d/d /Apr 14 10:53
MinceRalso, i'd say dominator capitalism occurs when the free market is distorted by market actors or the state, and/or when the state is captured by business, or vice versaApr 14 10:57
msb_MinceR: Here's a good page of links in Eisler's website:  http://www.partnershipway.org/about-cps/foundational-concepts/creating-a-partnership-cultureApr 14 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.partnershipway.org | Creating A Partnership Culture — Center for Partnership Studies [ http://ur1.ca/h2ran ]Apr 14 10:58
msb_and this one too:  http://www.partnershipway.org/about-cps/foundational-conceptsApr 14 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.partnershipway.org | Foundational Concepts — Center for Partnership Studies [ http://ur1.ca/h2rau ]Apr 14 10:58
msb_MinceR: David Korten bases his social/economic ideas on partnership/dominator  (From Empire to Community) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkYApr 14 11:01
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msb_MinceR: That video of Korten is *really* worth watching!Apr 14 11:03
MinceRi can't watch videos at work, thoughApr 14 11:03
msb_Can you watch it at home?Apr 14 11:04
MinceRindeedApr 14 11:04
msb_Great.Apr 14 11:04
msb_MinceR: Beyond the two problems of capitalism that you mentioned, another occurs when technology advances to the point where only a small fraction of the population has to work at 40hr/week jobs to produce enough goods and services for everyone.  We reached that point some time ago, and have filled in with make-work jobs like advertising, drug enforcement, victimless crime enforcement and large prison populations, real estate and stock speculation, etc.Apr 14 11:08
msb_MinceR: But actual unemployment in the US is at about 25% and rising.  Unless we adopt partnership principles of sharing and equality, we're going to have a lot of homeless starving people.Apr 14 11:10
MinceRi'm not worried about thatApr 14 11:10
MinceRif we can do menial work with machines, we can get more restApr 14 11:10
MinceRas long as the same (or greater) value is produced, why worry about wasting less time with work?Apr 14 11:11
msb_Yes, but how do people get money if there are not jobs for them?Apr 14 11:11
MinceRi don't knowApr 14 11:11
MinceRwhat i do know is that once we manage to eliminate scarcity, it won't matterApr 14 11:11
MinceRand technology will be instrumental in thatApr 14 11:12
msb_We can already eliminate scarcity.Apr 14 11:12
MinceRhopefully people can gradually transition to more mental jobs in the meantimeApr 14 11:12
msb_99% of the wealth is in the hands of 1% of the population.Apr 14 11:12
msb_If it were spread around better, there'd be no scarcity.Apr 14 11:12
msb_There aren't enough mental jobs to soak up the unemployed.Apr 14 11:13
msb_Not nearly enough.Apr 14 11:13
MinceRcompetition is pretty lacking in several markets, more jobs could be created thereApr 14 11:14
msb_In the limiting case, machines will provide all goods and services.  But no one will have a job or money, so they won't be able to buy any.Apr 14 11:14
msb_Competition is just another kind of make-work.Apr 14 11:14
MinceRexcept it's usefulApr 14 11:15
msb_Lots of different car companies doing the same R&D.  It's a waste of effort.Apr 14 11:15
MinceRwithout scarcity, nobody will need to buy anythingApr 14 11:15
MinceRnot necessarily the same R&DApr 14 11:15
MinceRthere are plenty of different pathsApr 14 11:15
msb_But in capitalism, someone always owns the machines, and will require payment for their products.Apr 14 11:16
msb_Ownership of the producing machines in common, and free access to their products is ...Socialism!Apr 14 11:16
MinceRi'm not sure if those concepts have meaning when there's no scarcityApr 14 11:17
msb_But what does "no scarcity" mean?  Who owns the machines that creates the goods and services?Apr 14 11:19
msb_creates--> createApr 14 11:19
MinceReveryone could own a swarm of nanobots that could be used to build the tools that are neededApr 14 11:21
MinceRfor exampleApr 14 11:21
msb_If the richest 1% didn't suck up 99% of the wealth now, we could all work 16hrs/week and have plenty.Apr 14 11:21
MinceRit could even be part of their bodyApr 14 11:21
msb_Nanobots are in the far future.  What we have now is computer-controlled robotic machines.  They can produce almost everything we need, but if they are owned by capitalists, no one will have a job to get money to buy the machines' products.Apr 14 11:23
msb_Nanobots are also very dangerous -- the "gray goo" problem.Apr 14 11:24
msb_A little programming error, and the whole planet is consumed.Apr 14 11:24
MinceRdon't let microsoft and apple program them, thenApr 14 11:25
msb_Anyone will be able to program them, and some will make mistakes.Apr 14 11:25
MinceRthen we will have countermeasuresApr 14 11:26
cubezzzsomeone has to fix the robots, unless you develop robots that can fix other robotsApr 14 11:26
cubezzzMincer :)Apr 14 11:26
msb_IIRC, Drexler said that everything on Earth will have to have a coating of defensive nanomachines to protect it.  Every blade of grass!Apr 14 11:27
cubezzzall those pie in the sky predictions never come true thoughApr 14 11:27
msb_Let's hope not!Apr 14 11:27
cubezzzno HAL 9000, no true AIApr 14 11:27
cubezzza self-programming computer, laughableApr 14 11:28
MinceRwhat's laughable about that?Apr 14 11:28
msb_But even a stupid AI, if programmed to protect itself and connected to military resources, could take over.Apr 14 11:28
cubezzzwe got windows insteadApr 14 11:28
MinceRwindows is dyingApr 14 11:28
cubezzzno computer can do what a human baby doesApr 14 11:29
msb_Asimov wrote various stories about robes that figured out how to circumvent the Three Laws!Apr 14 11:29
MinceRa human baby might be a computerApr 14 11:29
MinceRand a future human baby might contain computers :>Apr 14 11:30
cubezzzaugmentation, yesApr 14 11:31
cubezzzthat's possibleApr 14 11:31
msb_A clever but immoral lawyerbot could trash the Three Laws in microseconds!Apr 14 11:31
MinceRand human babies can exist in a universe simulated by a computerApr 14 11:31
cubezzzprogress is happening, it's just slower than Sci-Fi predicted, much much slowerApr 14 11:32
MinceRalso, every blade of grass is already constantly fighting with pathogens on the cellular scale :>Apr 14 11:33
cubezzzmy desktop hasn't really changed much in the last 10 yearsApr 14 11:47
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/old-desktop-2005.pngApr 14 11:47
msb_MinceR: But those pathogens had to *evolve* their methods of attack -- very slow.  Nanomachines, with nanocomputers, could simulate and evaluate attacks zillions of times faster.  The poor blade of grass wouldn't have a chance without a layer of protective nanomachnes.Apr 14 11:48
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/desktop-2014.pngApr 14 11:49
MinceRmsb_: not necessarily a layer -- the nanomachines could also be inside the blade of grassApr 14 11:50
msb_And inside every food crop.  Those diamond-based machines would make 'em really crunchy!Apr 14 11:51
MinceRthey could be ordered to come outApr 14 11:51
msb_"Sorry, we like it here."Apr 14 11:52
MinceRthen send in the killer nanomachinesApr 14 11:52
MinceRalso, i'm not sure how much we'd need food crops once we're infused with nanomachines and quite possibly not human anymore :>Apr 14 11:52
msb_I believe STTOS dealt with that situation: "EXISTENCE!... SURVIVAL... must cancel out... programming! "Apr 14 11:54
MinceR:)Apr 14 11:54
msb_If only Ruk had squeezed Kirk a little harder...Apr 14 11:54
cubezzzmind transferApr 14 11:56
cubezzzsome philosophical implications thereApr 14 11:57
msb_STTOS and Kirk trashed every single instance of advanced technology they could find, including immortality.Apr 14 11:57
cubezzzok, now we will upload your mind into windows 35Apr 14 11:57
cubezzzuhhh, no thanks :)Apr 14 11:57
cubezzzhe didn't trash Trelane's parents Apr 14 11:58
cubezzznot sure if that counts as tech thoughApr 14 11:58
msb_Anyhow What Are Little Girls Made Of? was self-contradictory.  Kirk's justification for destroying the bot-creation machinery was that the resulting ghost-in-the-shell had no emotions.  But the "native" bots did.  It could have been fixed.  But no immortality for us!  Apr 14 12:01
cubezzzthe Thasians were also quite advancedApr 14 12:01
cubezzzlots of uber-aliens in TOSApr 14 12:01
msb_When Spock got happy in another ep, Kirk made some sound generator that ruined it.  What a schmuck!Apr 14 12:02
MinceR:>Apr 14 12:02
cubezzzanother thing we don't really have that TOS did: computers you can talk toApr 14 12:03
msb_*Working*Apr 14 12:03
MinceRwe can talk to any computerApr 14 12:07
MinceRnot many of them listen, though :>Apr 14 12:07
cubezzzthe last big step forward was wwwApr 14 12:08
msb_WWW/Linux/FOSS is the nervous system of the evolving World CommunityApr 14 12:19
MinceRwhat about IRC? :>Apr 14 12:19
msb_Dat's good too!Apr 14 12:19
cubezzzIRC predates WWW :)Apr 14 12:20
cubezzzof course Microsoft had to try and muck things up with MSNPApr 14 12:21
MinceRand IRCXApr 14 12:22
msb_With WWW/Linux/FOSS, Cannabis, and Partnership/Eisler/Korten sociology, we can have a "soft landing" from the current fascist control system.  Everybody just relax, give the fascist rulers tens of millions of dollars each if they promise not to make any more trouble..Apr 14 12:23
cubezzzI've found thereApr 14 12:25
cubezzz's another force in software beyond Embrace, Extend, EntinguishApr 14 12:25
msb_Psychopaths can only survive inside a cloud of lying propaganda that hides them.  But with the Web, they are entirely exposed.Apr 14 12:25
msb_Evolve!Apr 14 12:26
cubezzzthere's also abandonment and resurrectionApr 14 12:26
msb_Resurrection (1980) with Ellen Burstyn is a great movie!  *Not* xtian propaganda.Apr 14 12:27
cubezzzs/eh/ex/Apr 14 12:27
cubezzzs/en/ex/ :-PApr 14 12:27
MinceRs/En/Ex/ :>Apr 14 12:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx Server 1.14.6 &Apr 14 12:59
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx Server 1.15.1 ReleasedApr 14 12:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cool and flexible: The Linux alternativeApr 14 12:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org | xorgApr 14 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | X.Org Server 1.14.6 & X.Org Server 1.15.1 Released | Tux MachinesApr 14 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cool and flexible: The Linux alternative | Tux MachinesApr 14 13:00
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/windows-phone-8-1-review-a-magnificent-smartphone-platform/Apr 14 13:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Windows Phone 8.1 review: a magnificent smartphone platform | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h2sb9 ]Apr 14 13:44
*cubezzz gagsApr 14 13:45
Sosumibut no mention of how much data the phone gathers from the userApr 14 13:45
Sosumiand transmits to M$Apr 14 13:45
cubezzzI'm having a devil of a time with this lit file :-/Apr 14 13:46
msb_There's a copy of Resurrection (1980) in Usenet.  Maybe the best movie ever made!Apr 14 13:46
msb_Or pay $20 to amazon for a disk.Apr 14 13:47
msb_cubezzz: What's a lit file?Apr 14 13:47
cubezzzmsb_, it's a file from Hell :)Apr 14 13:47
cubezzza type of ebook, microsoft only Apr 14 13:47
msb_Type of e-book?Apr 14 13:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     With Death of Windows XP, Now Is Perfect TimeApr 14 13:47
TweetTuxMachines                 to Switch to Linux http://t.co/sqHYr06VPHApr 14 13:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | With Death of Windows XP, Now Is Perfect Time to Switch to Linux | Tux MachinesApr 14 13:48
TweetTuxMachines@BigDickStallman  @tuxmachines When will you peons learn? It'sApr 14 13:48
TweetTuxMachines                 called GNU/Linux, NOT Linux.Apr 14 13:48
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*TweetTuxMachines @methadonna retweeted @BigDickStallman: '@tuxmachines When will you peons learn? It's called...'Apr 14 13:48
MinceRhe has a pointApr 14 13:49
msb_cubezzz: Never thought I'd say this, but apparently there's a "clit" program for that.Apr 14 13:50
msb_google for          linux "lit file"Apr 14 13:50
cubezzzdoesn't compile unfortunatelyApr 14 13:52
msb_Probably just needs a little massaging.Apr 14 13:54
msb_It's just text-to-text, after all.Apr 14 13:54
cubezzzit's encryptedApr 14 13:55
msb_Ick!Apr 14 13:55
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msb_The lit file is encrypted?Apr 14 13:56
cubezzzyesApr 14 13:56
msb_Have to go to Redmond and beat it out of them!Apr 14 13:56
msb_What's the book?Apr 14 13:56
cubezzzjust a startrek book, nothing important :)Apr 14 13:56
cubezzzhmmm, it needs libtommath.a for some reasonApr 14 13:58
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/russian_market/status/455670226278158336Apr 14 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@russian_market: Oops. The acting PM of Ukraine Yatsenyuk meets the Swiss President in Kiev by Danish flag. - Time to grow up, kids! http://t.co/hdk1fh2SwUApr 14 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@russian_market: Oops. The acting PM of Ukraine Yatsenyuk meets the Swiss President in Kiev by Danish flag. - Time to grow up, kids! http://t.co/hdk1fh2SwUApr 14 14:31
SosumilolApr 14 14:31
Sosuminow there's a case to yellApr 14 14:32
SosumiFALSE FLAG!Apr 14 14:32
MinceR"Definite proof that people who captured Slavyansk police department aren't russians:" Apr 14 14:35
MinceR                  http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=217237&d=1397477131Apr 14 14:35
Sosumiare they emptying vodka bottles into the ground?Apr 14 14:36
MinceRthat's what it looks likeApr 14 14:38
Sosumiwhat a crimeApr 14 14:38
MinceRbut then again, it could be just about any clear liquidApr 14 14:38
Sosumiwell even if it was waterApr 14 14:38
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DaemonFChttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/13/1454215/the-gnome-foundation-is-running-out-of-moneyApr 14 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | The GNOME Foundation Is Running Out of Money - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/h2t9q ]Apr 14 15:19
DaemonFCThe mail truck is here.Apr 14 15:31
DaemonFCAs soon as I get that modem, I can call Comcast and tell them to take theirs off of my account. :)Apr 14 15:32
Sosumiin soviet russia, the modem gets youApr 14 15:49
MinceRIn Soviet Russia, browser keeps tabs on YOU!!Apr 14 15:49
MinceRIn capitalism, man exploits man. In socialism, it's the other way around.Apr 14 15:50
Sosumi:)Apr 14 15:50
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DaemonFCAmazon sent me a wifi range extender instead of my cable modem.Apr 14 16:40
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DaemonFCI called to complain, and they sent me a return label and said that they'd get me my modem shipped out by UPS overnight.Apr 14 16:41
Sosumiand I thinking they'd deliver it by the hand of a real amazonApr 14 16:43
Sosumisilly me for thinking such thing...Apr 14 16:44
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abeNd-orgyea, only problem with those amazon goddesses is if you don't pass their tests, they kill you on the spotApr 14 17:06
DaemonFCI reviewed my Chromebook.Apr 14 17:49
DaemonFCand Chrome OSApr 14 17:49
DaemonFCSosumi: It pisses me off. It's either a mispick or they have the wrong item at the picking location.Apr 14 17:50
DaemonFCIf I get another wifi range extender tomorrow, I'm going to be fuming.Apr 14 17:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Arrives on AprilApr 14 17:54
TweetTuxMachines                 17, Three Features to Look Forward toApr 14 17:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Arrives on April 17, Three Features to Look Forward to | Tux MachinesApr 14 17:54
DaemonFCThen there's Ubuntu 14.04 Long Term Support Klingon Edition.Apr 14 18:02
DaemonFCThe Trusty Targ.Apr 14 18:02
MinceRhttp://topekasnews.com/oklahoma-protesters-threaten-secdee-union-neil-degrasse-tysons-cosmos-cancelled/Apr 14 18:16
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MinceRi say let them Secdee.Apr 14 18:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ozon OS Will Be One of the Most Beautiful LinuxApr 14 18:21
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Sosumihttp://semiaccurate.com/2014/04/10/samsung-breaks-intel-xeon-ndas-press-release/Apr 14 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-semiaccurate.com | Samsung breaks Intel Xeon NDAs in a press release - SemiAccurate [ http://ur1.ca/h2w62 ]Apr 14 19:15
Sosumijustifying their ramp up for ddr4 ramApr 14 19:16
Sosumitom ryan of semmiacurateApr 14 19:21
SosumiThis brings me to another point that I’d like to make about clutter. Windows 8 started out with a very minimalist UI that has with every update become not only more like its predecessors but also more cluttered with additional ways to complete the same basic task. Do users really need this many ways to get to the same apps and settings? More to the point though, with the impending return of the start menu we’ll have yet another way to aApr 14 19:21
Sosumiccess the same apps and settings. When will users be satisfied; and more importantly when will Microsoft quit giving its users a half-dozen ways to reinvent the wheel?Apr 14 19:21
Sosumiall trueApr 14 19:21
cubezzzI'm still waiting for OEMs to break away from M$Apr 14 19:30
MinceRso am iApr 14 19:31
cubezzzBe was in discussions with Dell, Compaq, Micron and HitachiApr 14 19:37
cubezzzonly Hitachi actually shipped computers with BeOSApr 14 19:37
cubezzzand the story is even sadder than thatApr 14 19:38
cubezzzHitachi made changes to the boot loader rendering BeOS invisible to the consumer before they shippedApr 14 19:38
cubezzzit was the Flora PriusApr 14 19:39
DaemonFCI love my Chromebook.Apr 14 19:39
DaemonFCI don't think I'm going to be buying another tablet.Apr 14 19:39
cubezzzso it was Win98 and invisible BeOSApr 14 19:39
DaemonFCBeOS wasn't terribly well designed.Apr 14 19:40
MinceRprobably still a lot better designed than any m$ producApr 14 19:40
MinceRtApr 14 19:40
MinceRit doesn't take muchApr 14 19:40
cubezzzthere's still HaikuApr 14 19:41
cubezzzbut the point kind of was... an OEM tried to stand up to the big M and they got "visited"Apr 14 19:41
cubezzzthen the boot loader was changedApr 14 19:41
cubezzzthis was around 1998-1999Apr 14 19:43
cubezzzfor FREE mind youApr 14 19:43
cubezzzBe Corp was offering BeOS for free to OEMsApr 14 19:43
cubezzzseems to me the DOJ didn't kick the right buttsApr 14 19:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GCC 4.9 Compiler Optimization Benchmarks ForApr 14 19:57
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DaemonFCI talked to my former landlord.Apr 14 19:57
DaemonFCHe said that he thinks that with my credit, I could get a mortgage at 3%.Apr 14 19:58
DaemonFCI'm tired of renting and having a landlord telling me who I can have over at my house, and nosy neighbors that report you if you have a guest over for more than 4 days....Apr 14 19:58
amarsh04I've just had a bit of a back and forth on the ffmpeg bug tracker - there are problems compiling it under gcc-4.9.0 RC1Apr 14 19:59
amarsh04as in, code compiles, but doesn't run properlyApr 14 20:00
amarsh04meanwhile the linux kernel has compiled and run ok under development releases of gcc-4.9 for quite a whileApr 14 20:01
cubezzzthis sums things up quite well:Apr 14 20:02
cubezzzhttp://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/Apr 14 20:02
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cubezzzSosumi, ha I just scrolled backApr 14 20:21
cubezzzno, I've never owned or even operated a cell phone of any kindApr 14 20:21
cubezzzbut if I did it would be a dynatac :)Apr 14 20:22
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SosumibuuuuuuuuApr 14 20:28
Sosumiyou should have a nokia 8110 insteadApr 14 20:29
Sosumiand a pair of shadesApr 14 20:29
Sosumibecause you are that kewlApr 14 20:29
Sosumi:)Apr 14 20:29
cubezzzI was the first one out of the Matrix :)Apr 14 20:29
cubezzzactually it feels more like I'm older than the matrixApr 14 20:32
Sosumimaybe the matrix is all in your headApr 14 20:32
Sosumiand "we" are nothing but mere pawns at the mercy of youApr 14 20:33
Sosumi:)Apr 14 20:33
MinceRlol nokiaApr 14 20:34
Sosumihttp://fails.net/fails/nokia-tyres.jpgApr 14 20:36
cubezzzminimalism, not solipsism :)Apr 14 20:42
MinceRthat's nokian nowApr 14 20:43
MinceRand has been for a long timeApr 14 20:44
Sosumino ideaApr 14 20:45
Sosuminever seen nokia tyres on sale hereApr 14 20:45
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sebsebsebhiApr 14 20:45
Sosumiseb³Apr 14 20:46
Sosumiare are your tyres treating you?Apr 14 20:46
Sosumi*howApr 14 20:46
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-cleaner.jpgApr 14 20:48
MinceR:)Apr 14 20:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     UK's IT security agency: Communities are keyApr 14 20:51
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roy_US in 2013Apr 14 21:33
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*TweetTuxMachines @RedditUbuntu favourited 'Canonical Releases the Most Stable and Advanced Ubuntu...'Apr 14 22:51
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msb_cubezzz: The Matrix is very real and has been around for many centuries.  Way before Bernays.  JCI religion is a big part of it.  But you were among those who awakened in the 20th Century.  When were you born?Apr 14 23:01
msb_Early enough to buy a VIC-20!Apr 14 23:03
msb_And an Amiga.   http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/Amiga.jpgApr 14 23:05
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cubezzz1965Apr 14 23:34
cubezzzthe amiga and the vic-20 still workApr 14 23:35
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Guest90063anyone know how to contact the Techrights.org team?Apr 14 23:47
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DaemonFCSpent all day helping the bf fill out job applications.Apr 15 02:14
DaemonFCHe's had a couple of calls for interviews already.Apr 15 02:15
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MinceRhttps://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cloud-to-butt-plus/apmlngnhgbnjpajelfkmabhkfapgnoai?hl=enApr 15 07:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New MakuluLinux Released and ReviewedApr 15 09:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux and the Post-XP Cry for HelpApr 15 09:15
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MinceRgeekingsApr 15 09:16
msb_MinceR: Hi!  Did you watch that video of David Korten?Apr 15 12:34
MinceRnot yetApr 15 12:34
msb_It's all about changing the story, the context, in your mind through which you see things.Apr 15 12:36
msb_MinceR: He's not saying people should give up their private propitty.  But we should have sharing and empathy as primary values shaping our economic system so that everyone can thrive, not just those at the top and the (ever-shrinking now) middle.Apr 15 12:39
msb_MinceR: There's a deep, fundamental difference between families having their own home, cars, etc., and Monsanto and Microsoft having so much money that they can hurt people and buy the government, and no one can stop them.Apr 15 12:41
MinceRi think the main problem there is that m$ is incentivized to do harmApr 15 12:42
MinceRand not punishedApr 15 12:42
msb_MinceR: Conservatives and Libertarians always point us toward families, so we conclude that, of course they should have their private property.  But they point us away from the ultra-wealthy and corporations that harm people for profit with their private property.Apr 15 12:43
MinceRwhat has liberalism have to do with families?Apr 15 12:44
msb_Psychopaths can always find ways to make a profit by harming people.  Reality incentivizes them.Apr 15 12:44
msb_Liberalism says (or at least should say) that the economic system should help families to thrive, instead of taking 99% of the wealth and giving it to the 1% richest people, which is what we have now.Apr 15 12:46
msb_MinceR: If rich people were satisfied when they had enough wealth to live, or even 10 or 100 times the amount they need to live, everything would be fine, because they'd leave the rest for the non-rich.Apr 15 12:50
msb_MinceR: But they're never satisfied.  A pigeon in a Skinner-box keeps pecking the switch until the cage fills up with food and it suffocates.  But the wealthy under capitalism keep grabbing more and more until the non-wealthy 99% starve and lose their homes.Apr 15 12:52
MinceRpunishment and incapacitation disincentivizes psychopaths.Apr 15 12:53
msb_So how would you punish and incapacitate corporate owners who keep most of the profits for themselves instead of paying most of it to their workers as wages?Apr 15 12:54
msb_MinceR: Even though the corporate owners say that the profits belong to them as "private property" because they own the corporations.Apr 15 12:56
msb_MinceR: That's how the "private propery" concept causes harm when it's extended to the realm of great wealth.Apr 15 12:57
MinceRthat's when the corporate veil needs to be pierced.Apr 15 13:01
cubezzzwell one way to share the wealth is to buy shares Apr 15 13:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Slick Ubuntu Mobile OS previewed again, butApr 15 13:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PCLinuxOS LXDE 2014.04 Is a Light and PowefulApr 15 13:22
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cubezzze.g. in 2003 I bought some red hat shares, I shared in the wealth of the companyApr 15 13:22
cubezzzof course you need some money to get startedApr 15 13:24
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msb_MinceR: But once the corporate veil is pierced, what's the next step?  If the main crime being committed by corporate owners is paying the workers too little and keeping too much for themselves, how do you fix that within the current rules/framework of capitalism?Apr 15 13:32
MinceRthat doesn't seem to be the main crime in the case you quotedApr 15 13:32
MinceRalso, i see no reason why workers should be stuck with microsoft, other than microsoft making it difficult or impossible for competitors to exist and operateApr 15 13:33
msb_That's the main crime in general!  Apr 15 13:33
msb_That's why 1% of the population has 99% of the wealth, and the other 99% of the people have to make do on a total of 1%.Apr 15 13:34
msb_That's a wealth ratio of 10,000 to 1 !Apr 15 13:38
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cubezzzthis is old but still interesting:Apr 15 13:58
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cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/storming-castle-redmond.jpgApr 15 13:58
cubezzzI declare victory over Encarta :)Apr 15 14:00
MinceR:)Apr 15 14:02
cubezzzsome stats say that IE is less than 25% now, a huge changeApr 15 14:03
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MinceRindeedApr 15 14:13
msb_Here's a picture of an annoyed penguin:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/kmfms-final.jpgApr 15 14:16
MinceRKMFMS is a nice siteApr 15 14:16
msb_Yes, that bird is slightly ticked-off.Apr 15 14:19
msb_KMFMS stands for Kein Mitleid Für MicroSoft. It's a German acronym meaning "no pity for Microsoft."Apr 15 14:22
MinceRindeedApr 15 14:23
msb_From their FAQ.Apr 15 14:24
MinceRi've read itApr 15 14:24
msb_Here's another PO'ed penguin:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/Linux_Wallpaper_Good_evening_Mr_Gates_Ill_Be_Your_Server_01.jpgApr 15 14:30
msb_Does that look too dark too anyone else?  I had to boost my gamma a bit to see the darker parts.Apr 15 14:32
msb_too-->toApr 15 14:32
msb_e.g., his faceApr 15 14:33
MinceRlooks fine hereApr 15 14:33
cubezzzhahaApr 15 14:36
cubezzzthere should be a tooth flying out of his mouth to complete the effectApr 15 14:36
cubezzzyeah no kidding no pityApr 15 14:38
cubezzzno pity for stealing PDP-10 computer timeApr 15 14:38
msb_I like this one a little better:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/Linux_Wallpaper_Good_evening_Mr_Gates_Ill_Be_Your_Server_01G2A.jpgApr 15 14:42
cubezzzyou lose contrast by boosting the gamma too muchApr 15 14:43
msb_My settings are such that the KMFMS pic looks fine, but this one needs gamma=2Apr 15 14:44
msb_No wonder people need $2000 photometry setups to get this right.Apr 15 14:45
cubezzzfolks are way too pedestrian in their choices of operating systemsApr 15 14:46
cubezzzback in the 80s we really did have more choicesApr 15 14:46
cubezzzthere was Apple, Atari, Commodore, and Tandy (probably other ones I've forgotten)Apr 15 14:46
msb_Back then most computer users were knowledgeable about computers.  Now everybody has one, and very few know much about them.Apr 15 14:47
msb_Those who do use Linux, of course.Apr 15 14:48
msb_Anyhow, I'm using the settings that make most movies look right, and it needs gamma 2 on the server pic.Apr 15 14:49
cubezzzthis is a list of what I actually use:Apr 15 14:51
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.or/other/os-usage-list.txtApr 15 14:51
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cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/os-usage-list.txtApr 15 14:51
msb_OMG is that the Brain From Planet AROS?Apr 15 14:52
MinceRhttp://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aEwQmqK_460sa.gifApr 15 14:52
cubezzzhahaApr 15 14:54
cubezzzthat was Arous, not Aros :)Apr 15 14:55
cubezzzAROS is an open source version of AmigaDos 3.1Apr 15 14:55
msb_MinceR: Wow, that is one seriously weird gif file!Apr 15 15:06
msb_I wanted to single-step it.  mplayer wouldn't play it (no surprise).  I fed it to xv, which gave about 400 error messages and wouldn't quit!  When I deleted each one it put up another, and when I switched to another desktop it came back and put the error message under the mouse pointer.  I wanted to type killall xv but I couldn't.  Eventually it ran down and quit.  Gwenview (and firefox) display it, but I don't know how to make either one pause.Apr 15 15:09
msb_On another topic, I hope everyone has seen the movie Antitrust (2001).  If not, there's a good copy of it in that naughty place right now.Apr 15 15:12
cubezzzthe gimp might be able to single step an animated gifApr 15 15:12
MinceRi just watched it in firefox :>Apr 15 15:15
msb_Sure, it plays fine in firefox.  A great work of art!  but it goes by too fast to see some of the details.  Apr 15 15:16
msb_MinceR: Or do you mean Antitrust?Apr 15 15:16
MinceRthe gifApr 15 15:17
MinceRi did have to go through a few cycles to see some of the details, thoughApr 15 15:17
msb_Pretty wild!Apr 15 15:19
DaemonFC2 secs · Apr 15 15:31
DaemonFCSomeone told me something that I found to be disturbing a couple of days ago.Apr 15 15:31
DaemonFCThe school systems in Indiana are not just wasting taxpayer dollars on Crapple iBads anymore. They're forcing parents, even poor ones, to pay full price for these malicious, proprietary, user-subjugating devices.Apr 15 15:31
DaemonFCTo add insult to injury, the schools *could* buy Chromebooks for $150 each that do everything the iBad can and more, which shows how wasteful their buying practices are.Apr 15 15:31
DaemonFCCrapple takes the money from the government contracts, and uses some of it to turn around and buy our elections, making sure that politicians force parents and taxpayers to buy more Crapple iCrap later on.Apr 15 15:31
DaemonFC2 secs · Apr 15 15:33
DaemonFCThen, while all this expensive Crapple iCrap is being "procured", I got a letter in the mail the other day from Dan Leonard, telling us how frugal the Indiana Politburo Republicans are being with our money.Apr 15 15:33
DaemonFCThere's nothing like fascism that comes back and pisses on you while it's telling you that it's raining.Apr 15 15:33
MinceRindeedApr 15 15:34
msb_The IPud doesn't have a real keyboard, so it's pretty tedious to *originate* content.  Tablets are designed for consumption of content, and users should keep their mouths shut.Apr 15 15:42
msb_When tablets become fully voice-operated, users will be called Eloi.Apr 15 15:46
MinceR:>Apr 15 15:47
MinceRthere's some convergence between tablet computers and laptopsApr 15 15:47
msb_And you know what that makes us...Apr 15 15:47
msb_We don't *have* to eat them, though.  Yuck.Apr 15 15:47
cubezzzanyone remember these:Apr 15 15:49
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/wrist-terminal.jpgApr 15 15:49
msb_It needs a real keyboard, and a good-sized screen.  If it has some extras from tablets too, thatApr 15 15:49
msb_'s fine.Apr 15 15:49
msb_I remember the Dick Tracy wrist radio from the funnies.Apr 15 15:50
msb_cubezzz: what did those things actually do?Apr 15 15:51
cubezzzmsb_, it can interface with serial devicesApr 15 15:52
cubezzze.g. Commodore 64, Apple II, Tandy Color Computer, etcApr 15 15:53
msb_Did it have a DB-25 to nano-phone-plug adapter?Apr 15 15:54
msb_Do you have one?Apr 15 15:55
cubezzzalas, noApr 15 15:55
cubezzzthis will explain it a bit more:Apr 15 15:55
msb_Darn, you could port Linux to it.Apr 15 15:55
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/wrist-terminal-ad.jpgApr 15 15:55
cubezzzpretty neat for 1984Apr 15 15:57
cubezzzI didn't even know about those back thenApr 15 15:58
msb_THat wasn't from Mad Magazine?Apr 15 15:58
cubezzzHome Computing WeeklyApr 15 15:58
msb_Maybe our planet was bombarded by a swarm of Strange Particles.  But when?Apr 15 16:00
msb_Things have always been pretty strange here.Apr 15 16:01
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cubezzzoriginal price: £50Apr 15 16:02
cubezzzmsb_, it definitely existedApr 15 16:03
msb_I want a wrist Turing Machine!Apr 15 16:04
cubezzzthere's the Pebble...Apr 15 16:04
cubezzzlots of smartwatches nowadaysApr 15 16:04
DaemonFCSo, Amazon is making a phone now?Apr 15 16:05
DaemonFCFire Phone?Apr 15 16:05
cubezzzActually the Pebble was a kickstarter project that did very wellApr 15 16:06
msb_Who here has seen Ghost In The Shell?Apr 15 16:07
msb_Now showing Sunday mornings on the Cartoon Network.Apr 15 16:08
msb_Wow, there's a new series GITS Arise.Apr 15 16:10
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