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DaemonFChttp://news.slashdot.org/story/14/05/17/2012231/free-software-foundation-condemns-mozillas-move-to-support-drm-in-firefox?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebookMay 18 01:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.slashdot.org | Free Software Foundation Condemns Mozilla's Move To Support DRM In Firefox - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/hc12b ]May 18 01:17
DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1.0-9/10246376_679064805481547_5446376166113519648_n.jpgMay 18 01:42
MinceR:)May 18 01:44
MinceRgnMay 18 01:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     4 Excellent Alternative Graphical Linux FileMay 18 02:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Managers http://t.co/TcXbL658FoMay 18 02:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4 Excellent Alternative Graphical Linux File Managers | Tux MachinesMay 18 02:11
msb_DaemonFC: Would you please explain the cat regeneration joke?  I don't get it.May 18 02:25
cubezzzI'm guessing it's dr who relatedMay 18 02:26
msb_cubezzz:  Thanks!  "Ginger" is relevant to Dr Who -- http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Ginger_%28trait%29  I've only watched a couple of episodes.May 18 02:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tardis.wikia.com | Ginger (trait) - Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/hc1yt ]May 18 02:30
cubezzzmsb_, the radeonfb module fixed my console problemMay 18 02:32
cubezzzalso I can now write to specific part of the frame buffer to make certain there's no screen corruptionMay 18 02:33
msb_cubezzz: Great!  So it was not a hardware problem.May 18 02:34
cubezzzwell it's hard to say for sureMay 18 02:35
cubezzzcould be that certain parts of memory on the video card were being overwritten by some programming bugMay 18 02:36
DaemonFCI still feel like a tank ran over me after this week.May 18 02:49
DaemonFCDizziness turned into vomiting, which turned into an acid reflux attack, which turned into aches and pains, chills, fever, twitching, etc.May 18 02:49
DaemonFCI keep thinking it's over, and then it comes back. I've basically done nothing but sleep for the past couple of days.May 18 02:49
DaemonFCI don't feel like I'm about to puke right now, so I think I'm getting better.May 18 02:49
DaemonFCOh, and yesterday, I had a throbbing headache as well. :PMay 18 02:50
DaemonFCI got my appetite back, and the first thing I ate was a triple baconator and a large fries with a large chocolate shake.May 18 02:50
DaemonFCom nom nomMay 18 02:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Updated PostgreSQL targets NoSQL marketMay 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/oLJpuULDrqMay 18 02:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updated PostgreSQL targets NoSQL market | Tux MachinesMay 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Whitehurst Speaks, Enlightenment Linux, andMay 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Linus Wants You http://t.co/Dq2lGtOQnfMay 18 02:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Whitehurst Speaks, Enlightenment Linux, and Linus Wants You | Tux MachinesMay 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenStack Deployments Are Up, And So IsMay 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu—But Will It Stick?May 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Z4xFa5OrsPMay 18 02:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenStack Deployments Are Up, And So Is Ubuntu—But Will It Stick? | Tux MachinesMay 18 02:51
msb_DaemonFC: Sounds like you've had a virus.  Have you tried at least 20 grams of vitamin C per day?May 18 02:58
DaemonFChttp://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan14-libressl/mgp00012.htmlMay 18 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openbsd.org | MagicPoint presentation foils [ http://ur1.ca/hc23m ]May 18 03:10
DaemonFCmsb: nopeMay 18 03:10
msb_DaemonFC: You could start at 10g/day.  If you have gastro-intestinal symptoms, start with calcium ascorbate.May 18 03:11
DaemonFChttp://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan14-libressl/mgp00008.htmlMay 18 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openbsd.org | MagicPoint presentation foils [ http://ur1.ca/hc244 ]May 18 03:13
*TweetTuxMachines @RobSteele favourited 'OpenStack Deployments Are Up, And So Is Ubuntu—But...'May 18 03:14
msb_DaemonFC: See this page  http://cosmicpenguin.com/codex/2-How_Vitamin_C_Works-Cathcart-with_summary.html  and the Vitamin C links at the bottom of this page  http://cosmicpenguin.com/codex/ May 18 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | 2 - How Vitamin C Works - Cathcart - with summary [ http://ur1.ca/hc247 ]May 18 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Codex Alimentarius, Vitamin C, and Viral PandemicsMay 18 03:14
DaemonFChttp://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan14-libressl/mgp00020.htmlMay 18 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openbsd.org | MagicPoint presentation foils [ http://ur1.ca/hc248 ]May 18 03:14
DaemonFCmsb_, That's ridiculous.May 18 03:23
DaemonFCMega doses of vitamins can be dangerous and are at least a waste of money.May 18 03:23
DaemonFCSecondly, you can still walk into any Walmart and buy as much vitamin C as you want.May 18 03:24
msb_DaemonFC: Mammals of human body weight create about 70 grams of vitamin C per day when they have a serious viral infection.  So 10-20 g/day is not a "mega dose".May 18 03:25
msb_DaemonFC:  I was told some years ago that it's now impossible to buy therapeutic quantities of vitamins in some nations (perhaps Germany).  There you can only get bottles of 200mg pills.May 18 03:27
msb_DaemonFC: The suggested doses of C are harmless.May 18 03:28
msb_DaemonFC: You might read the references I gave.May 18 03:28
msb_DaemonFC: IIRC, there may be something like 1% of the population that converts C to oxalate in unusually large amounts and may get more Ca oxalate kidney stones from large doses of C.  These people already get oxalate stones.  In everyone else the conversion is rate-limited at the enzyme, and the amount of oxalate produced is not increased no matter how much C is ingested.May 18 03:37
msb_DaemonFC:  I was told some years ago that it's now impossible to buy therapeutic quantities of vitamins in some nations (perhaps Germany).  There you can only get bottles of 200mg pills of Vitamin C.May 18 03:44
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditUbuntu favourited 'OpenStack Deployments Are Up, And So Is Ubuntu—But...'May 18 04:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon and MATE screenshotMay 18 04:03
TweetTuxMachines                 preview http://t.co/Oi7UN3FphQMay 18 04:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Superb Deepin 2014 Beta OS Now Available forMay 18 04:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Download – Screenshot TourMay 18 04:03
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/7b19doErfwMay 18 04:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon and MATE screenshot preview | Tux MachinesMay 18 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Superb Deepin 2014 Beta OS Now Available for Download – Screenshot Tour | Tux MachinesMay 18 04:03
DaemonFChttp://www.engadget.com/2014/05/16/apple-and-motorola-agree-to-drop-lawsuits/?ncid=rss_truncated&utm_campaign=socialmedia_fb&utm_source=socialmedia_fb&utm_medium=fbMay 18 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Apple and Motorola agree to drop lawsuits against each other, work on patent reform [ http://ur1.ca/hc39v ]May 18 04:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.12 Can Be Enhanced with the BeautifulMay 18 04:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Zukitwo Theme http://t.co/3B7tZWv6CvMay 18 04:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Starts Adding Performance Tests ToMay 18 04:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Mir http://t.co/B3TNw9txutMay 18 04:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Catalyst 14.4 Has Advantages Over Linux 3.15 +May 18 04:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Mesa 10.3 Git http://t.co/bi62z92QtoMay 18 04:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.12 Can Be Enhanced with the Beautiful Zukitwo Theme | Tux MachinesMay 18 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Starts Adding Performance Tests To Mir | Tux MachinesMay 18 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Catalyst 14.4 Has Advantages Over Linux 3.15 + Mesa 10.3 Git | Tux MachinesMay 18 04:51
DaemonFChttp://www.engadget.com/2014/05/17/game-of-thrones-author-explains-old-pc/?ncid=rss_truncated&utm_campaign=socialmedia_fb&utm_source=socialmedia_fb&utm_medium=fbMay 18 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Game of Thrones' author explains why he writes with an ancient DOS computer [ http://ur1.ca/hc3rl ]May 18 05:08
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Snowleaksangehey schestoMay 18 10:22
Snowleaksangejust independently invented that nicknameMay 18 10:22
schestowitz_log_not new though :)May 18 10:24
schestowitz_log_My dad has been called that almost his whole lifeMay 18 10:24
schestowitz_log_and some relatives of mine too. For me it's rather rare to be called thatMay 18 10:25
schestowitz_log_meh. Just found this in my timeline: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_212a5ba14fb44b0af1a3.pngMay 18 10:25
schestowitz_log_Snowleaksange: been a quiet long weekend for me, I will start posting some stuff about NSA et al. again as time permitsMay 18 10:25
Snowleaksangeah coolMay 18 10:26
Snowleaksangei havent been keeping up with politicsMay 18 10:26
Snowleaksangebeen in the codemines crafting mithrilMay 18 10:27
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/467959464273117184May 18 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Been a long 3-day weekend, time to resume and catch up even though it's Sunday. Lots new in Greenwald's book.May 18 11:06
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/467962046500569088May 18 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz did you notice p. 32 Snowden wrote: "join the open source community"...?May 18 11:06
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467963616772489216May 18 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz any good? I'm not going to lie I'm severely tempted to purchase a copy.May 18 11:08
schestowitz_log_I reckon I can get the gist onlineMay 18 11:08
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467971415808155648May 18 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz so Amazon sale item but not full price in Wh Smiths.May 18 11:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Antergos 2014.05.14 RC Is a Distro Based onMay 18 11:19
TweetTuxMachines                 GNOME 3.12 with Numix ArtworkMay 18 11:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/TVjrOyCVV9May 18 11:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hc7zjMay 18 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antergos 2014.05.14 RC Is a Distro Based on GNOME 3.12 with Numix Artwork | Tux MachinesMay 18 11:19
*TweetTuxMachines @ubuntuaio favourited 'Ubuntu AIO DVD Has All Ubuntu 14.04 LTS...'May 18 11:19
schestowitz_log_Amazon is evil. I'd never buy from them.May 18 11:19
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467972751412969472May 18 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I agree but where else to buy books, I live in Middle Earth and we don't have a book store. Mainly as locals can't read.May 18 11:28
schestowitz_log_I'd say it's more ethical to download a copy than to buy from AmazonMay 18 11:28
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467974147578937344May 18 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough oh how govt failed to provide education. @schestowitzMay 18 11:29
schestowitz_log_When did govt. ever provide education rather than nationalism and conformism for corporate value?May 18 11:29
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467975328066174976May 18 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @SEEVed practically never, no wonder we have so many educated stupid people unaware of the world they live in.May 18 11:33
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467975658321100800May 18 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz let me see there was... never mind its all math, writing & indoctrination @MessgoroughMay 18 11:34
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467976258534772736May 18 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz But where to download from, so many places for Ebooks have vanished thanks to Kindles.May 18 11:37
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467976904541478912May 18 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz we got a bit of Shakespeare thrown in which was inspiring as genital warts.May 18 11:39
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467976930763878400May 18 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough @schestowitz like this guy http://t.co/wJPnTqvz7a @20committee has a PhD in History as he keeps referring 2 when he cant debateMay 18 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com | Former NSA Official Thinks A Blog Containing Nothing But His Own Tweets Is 'Defamatory' | TechdirtMay 18 11:39
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467977464149336065May 18 11:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough that's because they didn't compare it to hip hop like this http://t.co/XnFnvFnhHk @schestowitzMay 18 11:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | TEDxAldeburgh - Akala - Hip-Hop & Shakespeare? - YouTubeMay 18 11:42
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467977909492539392May 18 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz @20committee Yeh well American history has the bad stuff cut out and some good old nazi whooping and patriotism added.May 18 11:45
schestowitz_log_Wow, @20committee must be a satirical account. Only a damn ***ing fool would talk like this.May 18 11:45
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467978493377404928May 18 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz "is this a dagger I see before me", Yeh homie gimmie ya phone & wallet. Ghetto ShakespeareMay 18 11:46
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467978998329643008May 18 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: ROTFL, @schestowitz RT Former #NSA Official Thinks A Blog Containing Nothing But His Own Tweets Is 'Defamatory' http://t.co/l5E2J7yaMkMay 18 11:47
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467980353588965376May 18 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @SEEVed American stupid is where despite constant evidence the person believes themselves correct against all opposition.May 18 11:54
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467981728506605570May 18 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough 4 minute history lesson http://t.co/UMdmSNmleP @schestowitzMay 18 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Killer Mike - "Reagan" (Official Music Video) - YouTubeMay 18 11:58
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467981755430240256May 18 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: John R Schindler has a small Google Scholar presence. I found great JR Schindler deer browsing paper @schestowitz :) http://t.co/FRHYJtACFNMay 18 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.sciencedirect.com | Influence of thorns and tannins on white-tailed deer browsing after mowingMay 18 11:58
schestowitz_log_So @20committee not that bright. Maybe that's why he joined Nazi Surveillance/Assassination (NSA). Real Schindler's lists.May 18 11:59
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467982378552414208May 18 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough it is very politically active @schestowitzMay 18 12:01
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DaemonFChttp://www.poemofquotes.com/funny-quotes/aqua-teen-hunger-force-2.phpMay 18 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.poemofquotes.com | Funny Aqua Teen Hunger Force Quotes - Page 2 [ http://ur1.ca/hc8kk ]May 18 12:05
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467983252788367361May 18 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough this one goes after the Media after 9/11 http://t.co/zevQ3kHstS @schestowitzMay 18 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Makeshift Patriot - YouTubeMay 18 12:05
DaemonFCMaster Shake: [rapping] Happy birthday Jesus / You are the one / Coming down to Earth / From planet Krypton / Rollin out tracks and getting it on / like the 'Wrath of Khan' with Ricardo Montalban / It rained fishes and loaves on the bitches and the hos / They said they want some mo' and he said, "Hell no!" / Yo I got the flow / You ghost ridin the whip / And you suckin on my-May 18 12:06
DaemonFCMichael: Okay, let's cut it there.May 18 12:06
DaemonFCMaster Shake: [breathes] Whoo! I was hoping to get the word 'ding-dong' in on that take, but I ran out of breath.May 18 12:06
schestowitz_log_http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/big-data-beyond-the-nsa-106653.html?ml=po_rMay 18 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.com | Who watches the watchers? Big Data goes unchecked - Josh Gerstein and Stephanie Simon - POLITICO.com [ http://ur1.ca/hc8t4 ]May 18 12:21
schestowitz_log_Jay Rockefeller pro NSA?May 18 12:21
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467991888675762176May 18 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: .@schestowitz @20committee All academics need to #CheckEgoAtDoorMay 18 12:40
schestowitz_log_maybe he's inspired by his boss Michael HaydenMay 18 12:41
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/wbgleason/status/467993130844037120May 18 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wbgleason: RT @dawnbazely: .@schestowitz @20committee All academics need to #CheckEgoAtDoor } Once in a very blue moon ...May 18 12:45
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/467993755594014720May 18 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Arlington: Birthplace of #NSA #Surveillance http://t.co/2WDYp5kGCh Arlington: the only place that ever took my fingerprintsMay 18 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.arlnow.com | Arlington: The Birthplace of NSA Surveillance | ARLnow.comMay 18 12:46
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/20committee/status/467993954609553408May 18 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: WINNER / RT @schestowitz: 20committee not that bright that's why he joined Nazi Surveillance/Assassination (NSA). Real Schindler's lists.May 18 12:47
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467981755430240256May 18 12:47
schestowitz_log_"dumbass." Wow, it must be Hayden.May 18 12:48
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/20committee/status/467994208822112256May 18 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @dawnbazely @schestowitz Jason, dumbassMay 18 12:48
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Nel_Mezzo/status/467995038971355137\May 18 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nel_Mezzo: @20committee @schestowitz has taken trolling to a whole new level. WINNER indeed.May 18 12:55
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467995077806411776May 18 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: .@schestowitz Tnx for heads up. That #CareBears banner's an idea for a whole new NSA/CSIS branding strategy! cc @20committee @wbgleasonMay 18 12:55
schestowitz_log_"Do not want!" (mass surveillance)May 18 12:55
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467995840586723329May 18 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee Or, possibly one of those auto-generated tweet responders. I think there's one for #PrincessBride fans 1/2May 18 12:56
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467996350840590336May 18 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee Prof. Schindler likely has never experienced anon student feedback from large pre-med courses cc @wbgleasonMay 18 12:56
schestowitz_log_Given what we see in leaks, the real "trolling" comes from people working with NSA inter aliaMay 18 12:57
MinceRgeekingsMay 18 12:57
schestowitz_log_https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulatihttps://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/on/May 18 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | There Is More Than One Way to Quantum - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/hc9by ]May 18 12:58
schestowitz_log_https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/May 18 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gp1cn ]May 18 12:59
schestowitz_log_http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/blog/cyberbizblog/2014/05/the-nsa-wants-fewer-employees-driving-themselves.htmlMay 18 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | The NSA wants fewer employees driving themselves to work during rush hour - Baltimore Business Journal [ http://ur1.ca/hc9cr ]May 18 13:00
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/nickkarras/status/467999995900469248May 18 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nickkarras: @20committee @schestowitz ahh joyMay 18 13:14
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/468000782160515072May 18 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee @wbgleason Yup/ Agatha Christie wouldn’t be surprised by this. She was v. wise & truly understood evil.May 18 13:15
schestowitz_log_Worry not, they're the Good Guys, so by definition they "meant well"May 18 13:15
DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/media/watch-bill-maher-reads-steamy-fair-and-balanced-conservative-pornMay 18 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org | Watch: Bill Maher Reads Steamy 'Fair and Balanced' Conservative Porn | Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/hc9hw ]May 18 13:21
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/468002468270723072May 18 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz wasn't it the CDU that shot down FOSS adoption on the German govt?May 18 13:24
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/RightToBeForgot/status/468008824880648195May 18 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RightToBeForgot: @schestowitz Corporations don't have data protection rights. Google is not free speech.May 18 14:05
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468014899114016768May 18 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @schestowitz John, you know these whiny manbabies secretly all want to be you.May 18 14:11
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468016082826309632May 18 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @dawnbazely @schestowitz Greenwald cultists are so clASSY aren't they?May 18 14:16
schestowitz_log_NSA critics are "cultists" now and also Greenwalf worshippers. NSA apologists live in a parallel universe.May 18 14:17
schestowitz_log_*waldMay 18 14:17
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/20committee/status/468016134210736128May 18 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @ScottyBurberry @schestowitz #daretodream lolMay 18 14:17
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468017400483692544May 18 14:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @20committee It's called life with solid neural pathways, free of haldol. You wouldn't understand.May 18 14:19
schestowitz_log_Right, because I'm too stupid and disqualified, just like all of Schindler's "opponents"May 18 14:20
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468017892915945472May 18 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @20committee At least you recognize your shortcomings. Now, I don't tolerate whining and victim-playing in my TL so bye.May 18 14:30
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468019233859710977May 18 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @schestowitz I'm envious, John. You get more trolls than my Burberry leather jacket!May 18 14:30
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/20committee/status/468019481185619968May 18 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @ScottyBurberry @schestowitz Which is a big achievement! :)May 18 14:31
schestowitz_log_All your critics are "trolls". Just like to the NSA, opponents are "terrorists". #nsa #johnschindlerMay 18 14:32
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/QuadCityPat/status/468020669012123648May 18 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@QuadCityPat: @20committee @ScottyBurberry LOL Nazi Security Agency? Real Schindler's list? @schestowitz's studying Holocaust in 8th grade Social StudiesMay 18 14:32
schestowitz_log_NSA does the oppose of Schindler. It marks people for assassination based on broad criteria ("metadata").May 18 14:33
schestowitz_log_Perhaps the later (John) Schindler should take a lesson from his doctrate degree and grasp bad policiesMay 18 14:34
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468020820217192448 https://twitter.com/QuadCityPat/status/468021041785094145May 18 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @QuadCityPat @20committee @schestowitz He's all up in his feels this morning. I sense he didn't get laid last night.May 18 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@QuadCityPat: @ScottyBurberry @20committee @schestowitz Indeed.May 18 14:35
schestowitz_log_your use of the language of schoolyard only diminishes your viewMay 18 14:35
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/468021222232846337May 18 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz Either forgotten or reduce ubiquitous state and corporate surveillance, there must be balance. How is surveillance redressed?May 18 14:36
schestowitz_log_Surveillance is above the law, uses secret courts that public would not tolerate if awareMay 18 14:36
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468022200302596096May 18 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @QuadCityPat @20committee You can do better than this tepid hissyfit.May 18 14:39
schestowitz_log_plonkedMay 18 14:39
schestowitz_log_http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/17101895-libyan-general-linked-to-cia-launches-attacks-in-benghaziMay 18 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.allvoices.com | Libyan general linked to CIA launches attacks in Benghazi [ http://ur1.ca/hcacw ]May 18 14:39
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468022453282045952May 18 14:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @QuadCityPat @20committee @schestowitz All this whining and they freely give very personal info to private corpsMay 18 14:42
schestowitz_log_Taking (passively, by another party) is not the same as one's giving. Very different.May 18 14:43
schestowitz_log_Or maybe you refer collectively to a lot of people who do give their data, based on misconceptions\May 18 14:43
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/468026098958467072May 18 14:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz For state yes, but "forgotten" also includes corporate surveillance/site scraping/replay attack/MITM issues for people.May 18 14:54
msb_"<schestowitz_log_> I'd say it's more ethical to download a copy than to buy from Amazon"  One could download a copy and then send money to the author.May 18 15:01
msb_http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_15/GMO-related-activities-to-be-considered-as-terrorist-acts-in-Russia-9062/May 18 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com | GMO-related activities to be considered as terrorist acts in Russia - News - Russia - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/hcau4 ]May 18 15:09
schestowitzmsb_: or donate to a snowden protection fundMay 18 15:48
schestowitzor to the EFF which he supportsMay 18 15:49
schestowitzmsb_: cheers https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4109833May 18 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gmo #agentorange & #monopoly abuse has gotten #monsanto characterised as "terrorist" (defacement) in Wikipedia. Now http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_15/GMO-related-activities-to-be-considered-as-terrorist-acts-in-Russia-9062/May 18 15:50
schestowitzhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8nd3BkEN6l8/U1z8D-jYfQI/AAAAAAAB53c/Lxu450h4K7E/s1600/gXrSZx3.gifMay 18 15:57
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/468043385392361472May 18 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Tnx for educational fun! Hope you got your baiting in for day, @wbgleason :) Now I gotta finish my conference emailsMay 18 16:03
schestowitzthey debate like a pack of hyenasMay 18 16:03
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schestowitzsee @5150committee because it says a lot reallyMay 18 16:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/5150committeeMay 18 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com | Fake John Schindler (5150committee) on TwitterMay 18 16:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/466527789370593280May 18 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@csoghoian: This is what a cyber warrior apparently looks like (via @semibogan) http://t.co/1oL939F9qZMay 18 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@semibogan: Oh right. Apparently this is. http://t.co/gNKPIWSODOMay 18 16:45
schestowitzL:OL https://twitter.com/5150committee/status/466408382317199363May 18 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@FrancisJeffrey7 Nice try, but I sanitize my inputs;DROP TABLE FSBplots;May 18 16:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/5150committee/status/466051288632152064May 18 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@StephenAtHome @GGreenwald Question for my former colleagues at NSA: is it possible to use QUANTUM to get #CancelColbert trending again?May 18 16:46
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/5150committee/status/464840161403342848May 18 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@20committee On the one hand, this new policy is fascist and irrational. On the other hand, it might get Schindler to STFU. #moralDilemmaMay 18 16:47
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25G5tWEW5DcMay 18 17:04
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4109809May 18 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ramil_rodaje@diasp.org: “**Love is wise; hatred is foolish**. In this world, which is getting more and more closely interconnected, we have to learn to tolerate each other, we have to learn to put up with the fact that some people say things that we don't like. We can only live together in that way. But if we are to live together, and not die together, we must learn a kind of charity and a kind of tolerance, which is absolutely vital to thMay 18 17:10
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MinceR:>May 18 17:14
cubezzzgood point from ramilMay 18 18:23
schestowitz__it's a British philosopher he's quotingMay 18 18:38
cubezzzahMay 18 18:39
cubezzzbertrand russellMay 18 18:40
schestowitz__yepMay 18 18:41
schestowitz__good oneMay 18 18:41
schestowitz__ahead of his timeMay 18 18:41
schestowitz__esp. when disregard for religionsMay 18 18:42
schestowitz__back when it was ok to use "I'm offended" to censor the speaker, like today's IslamMay 18 18:42
msb_But that kind of tolerance, while it would work in a small town where people know and understand one another, is not sufficient for larger systems like nations and the world.May 18 18:49
msb_The problem is *psychopaths*.  May 18 18:49
msb_Psychopaths have no empathy nor conscience, and many of them *enjoy* harming others and making them suffer.May 18 18:50
msb_They are also control freaks.  They often seek positions of power, and lie, cheat, steal, and kill to get as high in the structure as they can.May 18 18:51
cubezzzpsychopath is a bit strongMay 18 18:52
cubezzzsociopath is more likelyMay 18 18:52
cubezzza full blown psycho wouldn't be able to function too well in societyMay 18 18:52
msb_The psychopaths in charge of the US government have murdered at least 2,000,000 people in this century alone.May 18 18:53
msb_That's very strong.May 18 18:53
msb_The word "psycho" confuses "psychopath" with "psychotic".  It should not be used.  Psychotics are delusional and can be easily recognized.May 18 18:54
msb_Many psychopaths are very good at hiding their true nature and goals, and passing as human.  But they aren't actually human.May 18 18:55
cubezzzyou're right, that's a good pointMay 18 18:56
msb_They aren't *humane*.  They don't have *humanity*.  They don't empathize with the *human race*.May 18 18:56
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msb_This is a very good video about how they have come to control and shape our society and culture.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYMay 18 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ]May 18 18:58
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MinceRgnMay 19 00:04
DaemonFCI was discussing DRM on #ubuntu-offtopic.May 19 00:33
DaemonFCMe: dwatkins, If nothing else, you can take your webcam/cell phone/camcorder/etc and point it at the screen.May 19 00:33
DaemonFCSo, to even pretend that this crap works is just totally stupid, but that's how companies think.May 19 00:33
DaemonFCWell, Apple took out a patent on recognizing copyrighted material and disabling your iPhone camera a while back.May 19 00:33
DaemonFCI don't know if the iPhone currently does that, but since there's software updates, any malicious thing it's not doing now could be added later.May 19 00:33
DaemonFCLike iBeacon was. The hardware was there in iPhone 4, just dormant.May 19 00:33
DaemonFCIt's not too hard to imagine the police sending a signal to shut off your iPhone camera while they're beating you up. It saves them from having to delete the video later, and possibly have the user recover it from the file system.May 19 00:33
DaemonFCWell, and people being how they are, which is utterly depressing, will accept that abuse the day it arrives.May 19 00:35
DaemonFCAnd some will even try to make excuses for a device that is disobeying the owner in even more horrible ways.May 19 00:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SlateKit Base OS Released For The Nexus 7May 19 01:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Tablet http://t.co/dzFGdKQpSSMay 19 01:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcdxvMay 19 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SlateKit Base OS Released For The Nexus 7 Tablet | Tux MachinesMay 19 01:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/cQs7JU7t5NMay 19 01:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcdxwMay 19 01:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Is Now Running on World's FastestMay 19 01:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Supercomputer http://t.co/9SaORJnCz6May 19 01:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcdxxMay 19 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Is Now Running on World's Fastest Supercomputer | Tux MachinesMay 19 01:43
DaemonFChttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chilean-activist-destroys-student-debt-papers-worth-500m-9391907.htmlMay 19 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Chilean activist destroys student debt papers worth $500m - Americas - World - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/hcdzv ]May 19 01:54
DaemonFCBeautiful!May 19 01:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon and MATE screenshotMay 19 05:56
TweetTuxMachines                 preview http://t.co/XZyhqXgXKIMay 19 05:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hceugMay 19 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon and MATE screenshot preview | Tux MachinesMay 19 05:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AST DRM Display Driver Updated For Linux 3.16May 19 11:00
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/PKRsNlgwtiMay 19 11:00
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcg6vMay 19 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AST DRM Display Driver Updated For Linux 3.16 | Tux MachinesMay 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines@go2n            The KDE Daily News is out!May 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/FKH5s4xkDq Stories viaMay 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines                 @yethikephyo007 @tuxmachines @celestelynpaulMay 19 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The KDE Daily NewsMay 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcg6wMay 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines@SiriusCorp      Another date for your diary is the Open WorldMay 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Forum in October- http://t.co/5SamtXDes6.May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines                 @Mark_Antony will be there again this year.May 19 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openworldforum.org | Open World Forum 2014May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcga7May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines@SiriusCorp      Very pleased to add Europol to our supportMay 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines                 customers after a successful onsite deploymentMay 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines                 project.May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcga8May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines@SiriusCorp      If you have any support needs then do get inMay 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines                 touch. We provide 24/support for some greatMay 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines                 organisations- http://t.co/DsKAeavNDKMay 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcga9May 19 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.siriusopensource.com | A selection of Sirius Clients | www.siriusopensource.comMay 19 11:20
Sosumijoke of the dayMay 19 11:25
SosumiGarry's Mod and Rust creator touts the trashcan pro as the way to goMay 19 11:27
Sosumimeanwhile the mac the mac version of those games performed like a crapMay 19 11:28
Sosumicompared to the windows versionMay 19 11:28
Sosumito the point they needed to hire an external team to do the portingMay 19 11:28
MinceR lolMay 19 11:40
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msb_Where's that picture (or was it a video) of the naked guy caressing the Mac Pro in bed?  I can't find it.May 19 12:08
Sosumithat was disgustingMay 19 12:45
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msb_The computer was less than a year old, so it was pedophilia.May 19 13:06
Sosumiwell at least he didn't stuff his arss with itMay 19 13:32
Sosumior just didn't put pictures of himself doing thatMay 19 13:33
Sosumibut there is simply no reason to buy a macpro nowMay 19 13:36
Sosumifor exampleMay 19 13:36
Sosumithe D700 firepros on the trashcan (rebranded underclocked 7970) score 3781 on luxmarkMay 19 13:37
Sosumiwhile two 290x score 5058May 19 13:38
Sosumiso, whoever goes with the apple optionMay 19 13:39
Sosumiyou're just overpaying for underclocked hardwareMay 19 13:40
Sosumiand nowMay 19 13:40
Sosumioutdated gpusMay 19 13:40
Sosumiand that is why the last mac pro towerMay 19 13:42
Sosumican beat the trashcanMay 19 13:42
Sosumibecause it has pci-express slotsMay 19 13:42
Sosumiand isn't thermically crippledMay 19 13:43
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TweetTuxMachines@SiriusCorp      We are recruiting for full time LinuxMay 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Engineers, if you are interested then please eMay 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines                 mail us at jobs@siriusit.co.ukMay 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hch9rMay 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Mint 16 - The most complete and easy toMay 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines                 use operating system http://t.co/WymAOVAKeIMay 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hch9sMay 19 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 16 - The most complete and easy to use operating system | Tux MachinesMay 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Preview of GhostBSD 4.0 http://t.co/ukNiTQcVJHMay 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hch9tMay 19 14:38
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4113284May 19 18:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tiny predators http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1400470038642049_tall.jpgMay 19 18:13
schestowitz__" http://www.ufunk.net/artistes/glass-microbiology-luke-jerram/ "May 19 18:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ufunk.net | Les virus les plus mortels en sculptures de verre… | Ufunk.netMay 19 18:13
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4111617May 19 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: **Remember the Tube TV?** ![](http://37.media.tumblr.com/418d37b05fdeded47c6de89b91e4db0a/tumblr_n2dcvq0q8D1rs73ero1_500.gif) #gifMay 19 18:14
schestowitz__"So easy to operate and repair that it makes gnu/linux look hard? Ha!"May 19 18:14
schestowitz__https://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/george-walkden/case-open-accessMay 19 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pirateparty.org.uk | The Case for Open Access. | The Pirate Party [ http://ur1.ca/h9e4l ]May 19 18:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Slowmo Linux Desktop http://t.co/KoYgVwpRjBMay 19 19:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hciymMay 19 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Slowmo Linux Desktop | Tux MachinesMay 19 19:21
cubezzzsince it's the 40th anniversary of the cube I'll share my gallery of various cube programs:May 19 19:30
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=15May 19 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-maxhost.org | Coppermine Photo Gallery - Rubik's Cube Programs [ http://ur1.ca/hcj26 ]May 19 19:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Survey Finds, Again, that Ubuntu Is the MostMay 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Common OpenStack PlatformMay 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/oJuFHhXqiJMay 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjarMay 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source code helps governments shareMay 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines                 information with citizensMay 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DKLYvF0q7KMay 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjasMay 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Free Linux training http://t.co/vMi0BYjr7tMay 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjatMay 19 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Survey Finds, Again, that Ubuntu Is the Most Common OpenStack Platform | Tux MachinesMay 19 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source code helps governments share information with citizens | Tux MachinesMay 19 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Linux training | Tux MachinesMay 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     This Album Is So Exclusive     That ListenersMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Must Hack     Linux To Hear ItMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/IyFIyaSwhWMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjfjMay 19 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Album Is So Exclusive That Listeners Must Hack Linux To Hear It | Tux MachinesMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     50 ways that MIT has transformed computerMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines                 science http://t.co/osD7NMhJAvMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjfkMay 19 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 50 ways that MIT has transformed computer science | Tux MachinesMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Terry Hancock on Free Software and Free CultureMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines                 [Interview] http://t.co/LAUaesCA7xMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjfmMay 19 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Terry Hancock on Free Software and Free Culture [Interview] | Tux MachinesMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung ships more than half a million GalaxyMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Gear smartwatches in Q1 2014May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/j8K4FWQZVpMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjfnMay 19 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung ships more than half a million Galaxy Gear smartwatches in Q1 2014 | Tux MachinesMay 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Archos offers up 10.1-inch ArcBook AndroidMay 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 laptop for $169.99 http://t.co/zgyklu03mBMay 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjixMay 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung Knox tapped by UK gov for public sectorMay 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ilOAlULDAYMay 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjiyMay 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Takes to the Skies in DronesMay 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/L86pelD8JFMay 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjizMay 19 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Archos offers up 10.1-inch ArcBook Android laptop for $169.99 | Tux MachinesMay 19 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung Knox tapped by UK gov for public sector | Tux MachinesMay 19 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Takes to the Skies in Drones | Tux MachinesMay 19 20:41
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abeNd-orgso did you guys cover the "reimage all the things" at emory this past week?May 19 20:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tux3 Gets Harshly Criticized Over Code QualityMay 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GC7phJtNiyMay 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjrpMay 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The desktop and the developerMay 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/OWM1iJyYcJMay 19 21:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     6-Way Desktop Comparison On Linux Mint 17May 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/fR87hImwZsMay 19 21:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tux3 Gets Harshly Criticized Over Code Quality | Tux MachinesMay 19 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The desktop and the developer | Tux MachinesMay 19 21:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/LaJe9r1TzFMay 19 21:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjsxMay 19 21:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/ploGekmF6IMay 19 21:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjsyMay 19 21:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesMay 19 21:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 19 21:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     locale changes in plasma nextMay 19 21:31
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/AETtdMsA7zMay 19 21:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjszMay 19 21:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | locale changes in plasma next | Tux MachinesMay 19 21:31
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abeNd-orghttp://www.neowin.net/news/whoops-emory-university-server-sent-reformat-request-to-all-of-its-windows-7-pcsMay 19 23:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Whoops! Emory University server sent reformat request to all of its Windows 7 PCs - Neowin [ http://ur1.ca/hckic ]May 19 23:21
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TweetTuxMachines@Symbo1ics       >@tuxmachines #Tux3 Gets Harshly CriticizedMay 20 02:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Over Code Quality http://t.co/kFqOZvwfPv //May 20 02:29
TweetTuxMachines                 That sound you hear is #reiserfs devs laughingMay 20 02:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcjt6May 20 02:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Elive 2.2.2 Beta Is a Linux Distro with a FreshMay 20 02:29
TweetTuxMachines                 E17 Desktop http://t.co/PHa6W9vrVdMay 20 02:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcl9qMay 20 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Elive 2.2.2 Beta Is a Linux Distro with a Fresh E17 Desktop | Tux MachinesMay 20 02:29
msb_Amazing!  The "free market" doesn't work!  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/where-worlds-unsold-cars-go-dieMay 20 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Where the World's Unsold Cars Go To Die | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/hchf2 ]May 20 03:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Systemd Saga, Into the Vortex, and a MintyMay 20 09:00
TweetTuxMachines                 RC http://t.co/FvSdrXsBcBMay 20 09:00
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcmzgMay 20 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Systemd Saga, Into the Vortex, and a Minty RC | Tux MachinesMay 20 09:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qt 5.3 Released http://t.co/mX61CAqzXWMay 20 09:00
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msb_Wow!  Systemd -- controls the entire Linux system, takes over the functions of a dozen or more previous separate programs, keeps its log in binary...  What could possibly go wrong?May 20 09:22
msb_http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-Neverending-Systemd-Saga-80472.htmlMay 20 09:25
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msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SystemdMay 20 09:26
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MinceRit could be adopted by distros :>May 20 09:26
MinceRgeekingsMay 20 09:26
msb_Apparently it has been:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#AdoptionMay 20 09:27
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MinceRyeah, unfortunatelyMay 20 09:28
Snowleaksangetell those kids to stay off my init.d lawn :)May 20 09:30
msb_The cgroups system, which systemd uses, creates groups of processes, each subject to resource limitations and (if desired) collection of information for billing purposes.  Apparently the previous system of each process having a unique ID (PID) is abandoned.May 20 09:46
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CgroupsMay 20 09:46
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MinceRafaik PIDs are still thereMay 20 09:48
MinceRbut some new controls are based on cgroupsMay 20 09:48
msb_Then there's KDE4, far more complex than KDE3, but it doesn't give you 20 virtual desktops whose names you can see in the switcher applet so you could switch between desktops rapidly.  Multiple desktops to give you separate uncluttered workspaces for your various different activities was one of the great advantages of Linux.  Still is, if you use KDE3 or Trinity.May 20 09:50
msb_systemd, cgroups, and KDE4 all seem to be governed by the principle that software must continually be "improved", even if that means increase in complexity, and decrease in ease of use.  And decrease in people's ability to understand it and fix problems.May 20 09:58
MinceRalso, increasing monolithicityMay 20 09:59
msb_Yes!May 20 09:59
msb_These particular "improvements" -- which show no signs of ever ending -- are like uncontrollable cancers growing on what used to be a simple healthy organism.May 20 10:01
msb_cubezzz: Are you there?  This is right up your alley!May 20 10:02
msb_What happened to the principles of "Keep it simple, stupid"  and "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"  ?May 20 10:04
Snowleaksangei just wrote a terminal.  now working browser.  maybe someday xwm or whole osMay 20 10:05
MinceR:)May 20 10:05
msb_Snowleaksange: Good for you!  Do these have better security or something?May 20 10:06
Snowleaksangein some interpretationsMay 20 10:06
Snowleaksangeits way less lines of source code than alternativesMay 20 10:06
msb_Nice.May 20 10:07
msb_It's fun to write software.  But it's not nice to jam it into GNU/Linux if it's not necessary.May 20 10:09
Snowleaksangeit also fetches image links for mouse over image rendering (faster than clicking on clickable url)May 20 10:10
Snowleaksangeprobably saves... minutes a day if you visit a lot of image links, which someties i do on chat roomsMay 20 10:10
msb_On the other hand, some web pages are getting very annoying by doing pop-ups just from moving the cursor over something, without pressing any buttons.  Often hides the link you were trying to click on.May 20 10:12
msb_IMDB is now doing this.May 20 10:13
msb_And I have popup windows blocked in firefox preferences.May 20 10:14
msb_I think amazon does it too.May 20 10:14
msb_Snowleaksange: Not to detract from your work.  I'd just want it switchable.May 20 10:17
msb_There are a lot of pages now with popups telling you to inform facebook, tweeter (?), and other social sites about their content.  Some of these *hide* the content until you click on an "x" in the corner.May 20 10:19
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cubezzzmsb_, what's that?May 20 17:58
cubezzzwell I talked about Unix philosophyMay 20 17:58
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-philosophy.txtMay 20 17:59
cubezzzmost distros have diverged from that a fair amountMay 20 17:59
cubezzz"Avoid captive user interfaces"May 20 18:01
cubezzzyou've got a generation of *nix folks that don't understand the actual underpinnings of the osMay 20 18:05
cubezzzthe KDE4 stuff is just poor, I'm not even going to talk about thatMay 20 18:07
cubezzzthe first diversion was System V versus BSD May 20 18:09
cubezzzsockets vs streams, tty vs termioMay 20 18:10
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cubezzzin 1998 there was a confidential memo from Microsoft which stated "Linux is on track to eventually own the x86 Unix market"May 20 18:13
cubezzzso the SVR4 versions of Unix become far less importantMay 20 18:14
cubezzzif you want solaris style then there's opensxceMay 20 18:15
cubezzzok, so to summarize, these are the operating systems that currently have available source code:May 20 18:19
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/os-with-source-code.txtMay 20 18:19
msb_cubezzz: I was specifically talking about systemd, cgroups, and KDE4.  With systemd controlling the entire Linux system, taking over the functions of a dozen or more previous separate programs, and keeping its log in binary.May 20 18:20
msb_Rather than go back to a much different system like Solaris, it seems to me that just eliminating systemd and KDE4 (or making them optional) would be a good way for a distro to go.May 20 18:22
cubezzzright, but my point was that these sorts of diversions have occurred beforeMay 20 18:23
cubezzzI think in Linux you'll always have choicesMay 20 18:24
msb_Yes, but those were years ago and we've gotten used to the additional complications.May 20 18:24
msb_Even udev, which does allow you to move disks between ports, or make them plug-in, and keep their same mountpoints in the file system, if I understand correctly.May 20 18:25
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msb_So far, OpenSuse is still making KDE3 available, and if it doesn't, Trinity seems to be working well for various distros.May 20 18:26
msb_I don't know if the KDE4 devs will perversely make their apps stop working with KDE3.May 20 18:27
msb_I don't know how much hell cgroups causes, or if it can be dialled down to the standard 32K array of PIDs.May 20 18:28
msb_If it can, then the remaining problem is systemd, which a lot of people are objecting to, and which severely violates numerous principles of Unix Philosophy.May 20 18:30
cubezzzexactly soMay 20 18:30
cubezzzthere's CentOS 6, that's got a trinity versionMay 20 18:31
cubezzzthis is the reason I run old software in tandem with newer distrosMay 20 18:32
cubezzzgives one a different perspectiveMay 20 18:32
msb_Trinity is available for lots of popular distros:  https://www.trinitydesktop.org/May 20 18:33
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cubezzzhardly anyone runs the Thompson shell but the neat thing is you still can :)May 20 18:34
msb_For firing commands rapidly?  May 20 18:35
cubezzzit had one big advantageMay 20 18:36
cubezzzit used less memory than all the other shellsMay 20 18:36
msb_Yes, with source code, and the ability to compile it, and bring in particular libraries -- even old versions of them -- Unix/Linux has a lot of flexibility.May 20 18:37
cubezzzthere used to be a 2^18 addressing limitMay 20 18:37
msb_Was that from PDP-6 and -10 ?May 20 18:38
cubezzzPDP-11/40, not sure about PDP-10 off the top of my headMay 20 18:39
cubezzzPDP-7 was the original Unix boxMay 20 18:39
msb_IIRC it had 36-bit words.May 20 18:39
msb_Now with single-board-computers able to run Linux for less than $50, small memory size for various softwares could be very useful.May 20 18:42
cubezzzthere's ELKS if you want really really small linuxMay 20 18:42
cubezzzjust discovered it yesterday :)May 20 18:42
cubezzzyou _had_ to be efficient on the PDP-7May 20 18:43
cubezzzmy understanding is about Unix is it went like this:May 20 18:45
cubezzzPDP-7, PDP-11/20, PDP-11/40, PDP-11/45, PDP-11/70May 20 18:45
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embeddable_Linux_Kernel_SubsetMay 20 18:45
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cubezzzthen v7 was ported to VaxMay 20 18:45
msb_It looks like ELKS can even run without a memory manager.May 20 18:46
cubezzzyes, it can run on plain ol' 8086May 20 18:46
msb_The IBM-PC shall rise again!May 20 18:47
cubezzzPDP-11/45 introduced the MMU I thinkMay 20 18:48
cubezzzbut the PDP-11/40 had a simpler MMU, so I guess that could be the firstMay 20 18:49
msb_Well, that gives hope that even after the Apocalypse, when all semiconductors have been fried, we can still run Linux on 12AX7s.May 20 18:49
cubezzzPDP-11/10 was interesting: no BIOS or boot rom :)May 20 18:50
msb_And, of course, CRTs.May 20 18:50
msb_How'd it get started?May 20 18:50
cubezzztoggle in the bootstrap loader from the front panelMay 20 18:50
msb_Console switches and paper tape?May 20 18:50
msb_Ah, those were the good old days!May 20 18:51
cubezzzyou probably had to toggle stuff in before you could use paper tapeMay 20 18:51
msb_When it was important that console switches had smooth edges to avoid finger abrasion.May 20 18:51
cubezzzso with the 2^18 limit you had 256K of memoryMay 20 18:52
msb_That should be plenty for anybody.May 20 18:53
cubezzzwell, no giant memory hole for the display :)May 20 18:53
msb_Hopefully it had its own address space.May 20 18:53
cubezzzwell they used the DZ11 asynchronous multiplexer with RS232 terminalsMay 20 18:55
cubezzzno frame buffer as suchMay 20 18:55
cubezzzthis is PDP-11/45 Unibus, the original Unix v7 machineMay 20 18:56
msb_But with a frame buffer you could have 512x256x16bit video, pretty much NTSC quality (if i'm figuring correctly).  ThatMay 20 18:57
msb_'s adequate for movies.  May 20 18:57
msb_Although not ideal.May 20 18:57
cubezzzsure, fine for 4:3 movies :)May 20 18:57
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cubezzzactually on Q22-bus you could have 1024x864May 20 18:59
msb_When we tell our grandchildren around the campfire about 1920x1080 x264s, they'll just think we're making it up.May 20 19:00
cubezzzyou could run that on PDP 11/83 May 20 19:01
cubezzzolder stuff like PDP-11/45 I don't think there was any way to even have a frame bufferMay 20 19:02
cubezzzthere were "intelligent terminals"May 20 19:04
cubezzzgive it another 20 years and kids won't know what a CRT was :)May 20 19:07
msb_Have you seen the wonderful "Quarantine" episode of 1985 Twilight zone?  All about alternate technologies.  It's in 3 parts on youtube, starting here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQTicO-alUMay 20 19:08
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cubezzzmsb_, did you know that CP/M completely disappeared in 1987?May 20 19:08
cubezzzin 1986 there was still a few adsMay 20 19:09
msb_Replaced by PC-DOS.May 20 19:09
msb_"Quarantine" is amazingly political, too.May 20 19:10
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msb_Please watch it everyone.  It's one of the best TV programs ever made.May 20 19:11
abeNd-orgwhich one?May 20 19:13
cubezzzmsb_, yes I'm studying the late 80s era, it's interestingMay 20 19:13
msb_CRTs were displays you could *fix*, if you had a schematic and and oscilloscope.  Instead of just throwing them away and buying another.May 20 19:13
msb_Of course they could also give you a hernia.May 20 19:13
cubezzzyou still have some CRTs I presume?May 20 19:14
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abeNd-orgim just glad CRT popularity ended at 17", those werent too bad to haul aroundMay 20 19:14
abeNd-orgit was rare people wanted a 19" or largerMay 20 19:14
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cubezzzha, Amiga 1080 is actually pretty light :)May 20 19:14
msb_abeNd-org: The "Quarantine" episode of 1985 Twilight zone.  All about alternate technologies.  It's in 3 parts on youtube, starting here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQTicO-alUMay 20 19:14
cubezzzonly 14" thoughMay 20 19:15
cubezzzwe had alternative tech, it's not twilight zone stuff :)May 20 19:15
abeNd-orgwe had some people at the bank that wanted 21", told them they could come down to the dock, pick it up, & set it up themselvesMay 20 19:15
msb_I forget whether I still have an old CRT.  Flat-screens of the same size got so cheap...May 20 19:16
MinceRi have a crt on my desk but i haven't turned it on for yearsMay 20 19:18
cubezzzit will be interesting to see if LCD's can last as long as a CRTMay 20 19:18
msb_I even gave away my first flat-screen, a Sony which I'd gotten cheap because the owners had hooked up the cables wrong and the colors were messed up.  But it was very heavy.May 20 19:18
MinceRhow long did crts last?May 20 19:18
cubezzzMinceR, my 14" one for amiga is still workingMay 20 19:19
cubezzzmade on Nov 1985May 20 19:19
MinceRthe best crt i had broke long agoMay 20 19:19
MinceRthat's when i bought my first lcd monitorMay 20 19:19
msb_Maybe 5 years of continuous operation, until they got too dim.  Unless something else went wrong with them.May 20 19:19
MinceRcubezzz: how often do you use it?May 20 19:20
abeNd-orgi still have a pair of 20" dell, the first ones they came out with, still going strongMay 20 19:20
cubezzzMinceR, uh, pretty often up until around 1992 :)May 20 19:20
cubezzznowadays it's maybe a couple of hours per monthMay 20 19:21
cubezzzwhen EGA came out I used the amiga less May 20 19:21
cubezzzyeah a quality CRT should last a whileMay 20 19:27
msb_I wonder if ceramic vacuum-tube triode wafers could be made with photolithography.  Layers for cathodes, grids, and anodes, and a couple for interconnects.  If they would work with cold cathodes, they wouldn't have to be heated.  But I guess that requires high voltage.May 20 19:27
msb_Are there semiconductor cathodes that emit electrons into a vacuum?May 20 19:29
msb_You could get hundreds of tiny triodes onto a 4" wafer stack.  Equal to several MSI chips.  We could build a PDP-11!May 20 19:33
msb_Immune to EMPs!May 20 19:34
cubezzzwhat about the core memory?May 20 19:35
cubezzzwouldn't the EMP mess it up?May 20 19:35
msb_Only temporarily.May 20 19:35
msb_Just have to reset it all.May 20 19:36
msb_I meant that an EMP wouldn't destroy it, not that it could keep running through one.May 20 19:36
msb_I don't know if those teensy triodes could carry enough current to switch cores, though.May 20 19:37
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MinceRthe teensi conductors would meltMay 20 19:39
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msb_MinceR: I think the teensy cathodes couldn't emit enough current to switch cores.May 20 19:42
MinceRwell, i don't know :)May 20 19:42
cubezzzthey're still improving LCD tech so...May 20 19:42
msb_You'd at least need bigger ones on the periphery of the chip.May 20 19:43
cubezzzquantum dots seems to be the current buzz-wordMay 20 19:43
msb_And this is all assuming that there's some kind of cathode that will emit a decent amount of electrons without heat or high voltage.May 20 19:43
cubezzzmsb_, basically what I what to see is more reliable, more repairable techMay 20 19:43
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msb_cubezzz: If all semiconductors get fried, then working up to current wafer-fab plants might take decades.May 20 19:48
msb_If the cathode problem and vacuum seal problem could be solved, then triode wafers might get us back to $50,000 minicomputers sooner than that.May 20 19:50
cubezzzmsb_, for that matter a severe solar storm could take out the electrical gridMay 20 19:50
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DaemonFCI posted on Sprint's wall....May 20 19:51
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msb_Right.  But if it didn't fry all the electronics, just the big transformers, we could still have local electricity from solar and gasoline generators.May 20 19:52
msb_...and use our computers.May 20 19:52
MinceRunless they needed a controller to run :>May 20 19:52
DaemonFC"Take that, unbeliever! No 4G LTE for you! That will teach you to be impudent! Straight Talk customers who pay $45 a month will run rings around your $100 a month Sprint. HAHAHA! You will be doomed to buffer Youtube videos for eternity!" -GodMay 20 19:53
DaemonFC"Acts of God"?......"I am God, coming down from on high to personally mess up your Sprint tower! I slay me! Hahahahaha!!!!" -GodMay 20 19:53
msb_cubezzz was talking about a solar storm, which would knock out the big transformers of the power grid. May 20 19:53
msb_But I don't think it would destroy small electronic boxes like computers or gas-generator controllers.May 20 19:54
MinceRicMay 20 19:54
msb_A solar flare would induce a big DC surge that would melt the long-lines transformers.May 20 19:55
cubezzzI don't think there's been any big nuclear bomb tests lately?May 20 19:55
MinceRit won't be a test :>May 20 19:55
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_EventMay 20 19:55
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cubezzzwith shortwave we should always be able to communicate with someoneMay 20 19:56
DaemonFCyeah, ghostsMay 20 19:56
DaemonFCI saw that in a Mel Gibson movie once!May 20 19:57
cubezzzwe survived the 80s :)May 20 19:57
MinceR:>May 20 19:57
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DaemonFCIf you don't count the continuation of Reaganism into the 90s and 2000s, then sure.May 20 19:57
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msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_storms#Electric_gridMay 20 19:58
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DaemonFCa few seconds agoMay 20 20:00
DaemonFCApparently, Huntington has a boil advisory on the water, because human and animal feces has contaminated the source.May 20 20:00
DaemonFCThe utility worker said that it had been going on for 12 days and nobody had gotten around to telling us out here until now.May 20 20:00
DaemonFCI said, "It probably took them 12 days to notice because Huntington water tastes like shit, year round.".May 20 20:00
DaemonFCSo, that might be why I was sick last week.May 20 20:00
msb_DaemonFC: What was the Mel Gibson movie with ghosts?May 20 20:00
DaemonFCIt might have been called Radio or something, I don't know. It was a long time ago.May 20 20:00
DaemonFCLate 90s maybe? I only saw the trailer.May 20 20:01
DaemonFCMel Gibson is a fucking fuck and he's totally full of shit.May 20 20:01
msb_Not one of the "Pulse" movies?May 20 20:01
_GoblinDaemonFC: Signs?May 20 20:03
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121641May 20 20:04
schestowitz__"so there´s hope..."May 20 20:04
DaemonFCWhite NoiseMay 20 20:04
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_Goblinoh...May 20 20:04
DaemonFCI just used the google on my computermachine.May 20 20:04
DaemonFCB-)May 20 20:04
_Goblinyeah, I think my wife watched that once...May 20 20:04
_Goblin(the film, not you on Google)May 20 20:04
_GoblinIf you want a recommendation of what not to watch.....May 20 20:05
msb_http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375210/combinedMay 20 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | White Noise (2005) [ http://ur1.ca/hcq2j ]May 20 20:05
_GoblinGravity....May 20 20:06
_Goblina complete stinker....May 20 20:06
_Goblinthe only good thing was, unlike a strong gravity well (or quantum singularity) you could actually escape its event horizon by walking out the cinema.May 20 20:06
MinceR:DMay 20 20:07
_GoblinSandra wasn't too hot either....her looks seemed to have succumbed to gravity too.May 20 20:08
_GoblinWhat is she now? 50?May 20 20:08
msb_Wait -- White Noise has Michael Keaton, not Mel Gibson.May 20 20:08
_GoblinSigns then...May 20 20:09
_GoblinStupid aliens..May 20 20:09
msb_That was aliens, not ghosts.May 20 20:09
MinceRalien ghosts!May 20 20:09
msb_Good movie, though.May 20 20:09
_Goblinbut wasn't it a dodgy transmission over the radio on the trailerMay 20 20:09
_Goblinwhat signs?May 20 20:09
MinceRwait, lrh invented alien ghosts already.May 20 20:09
DaemonFC2 seconds agoMay 20 20:10
DaemonFCThe Teatards want to know where their "10-30 million patriots went".May 20 20:10
DaemonFCObama could have disposed of them by invoking the PAT RIOT ACT (the worst thing to happen to Americans in 2001), but since only a few dozen of them actually showed up, it wasn't necessary.May 20 20:10
_Goblinwell if ghost exist and aliens exist, then you must have ghost aliens.May 20 20:10
_Goblinor alien ghosts.May 20 20:10
MinceR:>May 20 20:10
_Goblinpersonally I don't believe in either....May 20 20:10
msb_No, in Signs it was material aliens who communicated by radio.May 20 20:10
_Goblinyeah but in the trailer did you see em? DaemonFC remembers something about radio...May 20 20:11
msb_DaemonFC: So what was the movie with Mel Gibson, ghosts, and radio?May 20 20:11
DaemonFCWhite NoiseMay 20 20:11
DaemonFCI was wrong at first.May 20 20:11
_GoblinI thought we established gibson wasn't in white noiseMay 20 20:11
msb_DaemonFC: White Noise has Michael Keaton, not Mel Gibson.May 20 20:12
_Goblinor maybe notMay 20 20:12
_Goblinmaybe mel is an alien shapeshifterMay 20 20:12
_Goblinmaybe he was just impersonating MichaelMay 20 20:12
DaemonFCHis weakness is water.May 20 20:12
msb_http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375210/combinedMay 20 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | White Noise (2005) [ http://ur1.ca/hcq2j ]May 20 20:12
_GoblinIve heard that Mel's is alcoholMay 20 20:12
_Goblinmaybe water as a mixer?May 20 20:13
msb_DaemonFC: Whose weakness?May 20 20:13
DaemonFCSigns: "We are aliens who die when exposed to water, so let us try to conquer a planets that's more than two thirds water, where it rains water, and has water vapor in the atmosphere, bwahahahaha!"May 20 20:13
_GoblinThe wicked witch of the west had a weakness to water.......maybe related?May 20 20:14
DaemonFCThat movie sucked. And they managed to inject Gaaaaawd into that as well.May 20 20:14
_Goblinit wasn't about aliens that movie.May 20 20:14
_Goblinmost people who have an IQ less than 10 saw it as being about aliens...it wasn't.May 20 20:14
DaemonFCI've heard some people suggest that they were demons.May 20 20:14
msb_DaemonFC: I liked Signs, even though it was goofy in some ways.May 20 20:14
_GoblinSigns was about religion.May 20 20:14
_GoblinPriest loses faithMay 20 20:15
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schestowitz__"Might I say - it's still a party. What did the parties gave us? usually every party starts as a good, small party, but then it becomes a monster as it grows. I don't know - a hope? I believe in what I DO, not in what other people do ... unless it's voluntary and without money as a gratification."May 20 20:15
_Goblinwife dies telling to swing bat....May 20 20:15
_Goblinboy kills alien with batMay 20 20:15
DaemonFCrightMay 20 20:15
_Goblinthe sign was a message from god to the vicarMay 20 20:15
DaemonFCkill that damned alien with the fuckin' batMay 20 20:15
DaemonFCwe don't want your kind here!May 20 20:15
DaemonFCback the way you came, alien!May 20 20:15
_Goblinand for him to get his faith backMay 20 20:15
DaemonFC*bat bat bat*May 20 20:15
_Goblinaliens were added for the -10 IQ posseMay 20 20:15
_GoblinIt had much resembalance to the crusades also...metaphoricallyMay 20 20:16
msb_To me the aliens were the main spooky thing and Gibson's faith was just an extra filler item.May 20 20:16
_GoblinNo...it was the basis of the filmMay 20 20:17
_Goblinits starts with a message and deathMay 20 20:17
_Goblinpriest has lost faithMay 20 20:17
_Goblinmessage followed and alien killedMay 20 20:17
_Goblinpriest gains back faithMay 20 20:17
msb_The "swing away" message was psychic, not divine.May 20 20:17
_Goblineven the film title gives it away "Signs"May 20 20:17
msb_Crop circles.May 20 20:17
_Goblinmsb_: the inference was religious interpretation...May 20 20:17
_GoblinAnd the crop circle was effectively the 666 the number of the beast and all that.May 20 20:18
_GoblinI'm surprised how many people merely thought this was just a crap alien movie.May 20 20:18
_Goblinthats why the aliens conquering water planet was so odd.May 20 20:19
Snowleaksangethere's no objective interpretationMay 20 20:19
_Goblinit wasn't the integral part of the story.May 20 20:19
_Goblinanyway....one thing I think we can all agree on...it was crapMay 20 20:19
Snowleaksangeyou may think your perspective is privileged but i can assure you it is notMay 20 20:19
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/468832192895135744May 20 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz We do not learn enough from past adventures. We should control those ministers in the EU Council with National Parliaments.May 20 20:20
_GoblinAnd the aliens didn't even have cool looking spaceshipsMay 20 20:20
schestowitz__maybe use water cannon to keep in check politicians who advocate their use :-pMay 20 20:21
schestowitz__*cannonsMay 20 20:21
msb_It was a good movie about an alien invasion, with crop circles and radio transmissions.  May 20 20:21
_GoblinOk...I think we'll agree to differ on that...May 20 20:21
_GoblinI don't buy into movies and I'm not the movie buff..... That signs was an obvious piece of religious suck-up was blatant to me....if you saw it as Aliens then fine.May 20 20:22
msb_Gibson's faith in life was restored by making a strong effort that defeated the aliens.May 20 20:22
msb_Everyone in the movie said it was aliens.May 20 20:22
_Goblinsince when has a Hollywood actor been any sort of authority on anything other than gross excess?May 20 20:23
msb_Demons would have come in a variety of shapes and sizes, and probably would have had glowing red eyes.May 20 20:23
_GoblinmythMay 20 20:23
_Goblinthe Satan in the Christian faith doesn't have horn or is red...May 20 20:23
_Goblinanother myth...May 20 20:23
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/468833582791000064May 20 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz Don't laugh, one of those politicians was my boss at some point in the past :-)May 20 20:24
schestowitz__One is my bossMay 20 20:24
DaemonFCI wouldn't have told him to use a bat.May 20 20:24
schestowitz__One is my boss, indirectlyMay 20 20:24
DaemonFCI would have suggested the BFG 9000.May 20 20:24
_GoblinBut maybe that is what signs showed, that people who talk about faith don't even know it properly.May 20 20:24
msb_Satan usually is red colored.May 20 20:24
Snowleaksangebtw us championship tie breaks (rapid games) about to start here http://www.chessclub.com/us-championship-liveMay 20 20:24
MinceRDaemonFC: :>May 20 20:24
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_Goblinno msbMay 20 20:24
_GoblinLucifer was gods most perfect angelMay 20 20:24
msb_Demons in anime' have red eyes.May 20 20:24
_Goblinhe was cast down because he became big headed.May 20 20:25
_Goblinand try to take the seat of godMay 20 20:25
_Goblinhe wasn't changedMay 20 20:25
msb_The  "devil" is red.  Even on cans of fish!May 20 20:25
_Goblinhe was morphed into a thing with horns.May 20 20:25
_Goblin*wasn'tMay 20 20:25
msb_DaemonFC: They didn't have a BFG, but they did have a bat.May 20 20:26
_GoblinI have to tell "christians" that and I don't even share their faith.May 20 20:26
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLFkiyCjc2EMay 20 20:27
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msb_I like Shyamalan's movies.  Interesting because they're weird.  May 20 20:28
msb_He comes up with unusual ideas.May 20 20:28
msb_DaemonFC: So the movie with ghosts and radio was White Noise, and had Michael Keaton, not Mel Gibson?May 20 20:29
msb_Maybe you got White Noise and Signs mixed in your mind, since both had spooky radio.  I call that "hashed to the same bin".  Happens to me a lot.May 20 20:31
_GoblinTalking of movies....this indi film made on a small budget looks quite good: http://bypuk.com/movies/drift/May 20 20:31
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_Goblin£5000 apparently.May 20 20:32
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxxsP7VWVN8May 20 20:32
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DaemonFCWhat is it with all the late teens, and twenty somethings that say "I like older men?".May 20 20:35
DaemonFCOh, NOW you give me attention!May 20 20:35
DaemonFCIf I had known this, I would have been 30 ten years ago! Thanks for that....May 20 20:35
_Goblinbut then you would be even older now with less time to enjoy yourself.May 20 20:37
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msb__Goblin: The Drift doesn't seem to be released yet.May 20 20:38
_GoblinI just had them follow me on twiter so I checked them out and saw the trailer.....May 20 20:38
_Goblinit does look quite good though doesn't it?May 20 20:38
_Goblinespecially for only just more than the price of an iphone.May 20 20:39
sebsebsebwhat you two on about? I just joinedMay 20 20:39
_GoblinA low budget indi filmMay 20 20:39
_Goblinhttp://bypuk.com/movies/drift/May 20 20:39
msb_We'll see when it comes out.  The trailer is mostly yelling and "action".May 20 20:39
_GoblinI'll never remember......that's my movie fix now for another year.May 20 20:40
_Goblinif movies were compressed into 2 mins like that trailer, I might watch a few.May 20 20:41
msb_I thought _Gravity_ was ok, but I'm partial to Sandra Bullock.  It was padded out, though.May 20 20:41
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121688May 20 20:43
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schestowitz__Yeah, that's kinda funny ... BUT: I'm kinda saddened by the fact that this is not being done by means of the merits of Linux OS itself, but by some silly, ridiculous and boring politics.May 20 20:43
schestowitz__I mean - come on - isn't Linux itself a good reason to switch to Linux? do people always need to compare it to other, crappy OSs?May 20 20:43
schestowitz__I know the reasoning behind it. It's way too simple - it's just laziness and lack of damn creativity. People are just too lazy to leave their comfort zones for a while and search for alternatives. Well, unless they're forced by some silly politics ...May 20 20:43
schestowitz__"May 20 20:43
schestowitz__GNU/Linux never preached much about technical merit (even when it had it). Since its dawn GNU spoke about freedom and only "Open Source" and "Linux" seem to focus so much on merit, not philosophical or autonomicMay 20 20:45
sebsebsebwhat are you copying in from schestowitz__ ?May 20 20:45
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/madcap_loon/status/468839272829956096May 20 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@madcap_loon: Whoa!! Neat :-) "@schestowitz: #china bans #microsoft #windows ( #nsa #prism prison) http://t.co/yaOLxPh3Eu http://t.co/6GmZPLiHss"May 20 20:46
schestowitz__sebsebseb: diaspoaMay 20 20:46
cubezzzUnix was an os for programmersMay 20 20:47
cubezzzit's hard to get the masses behind it, or it's derivativesMay 20 20:48
msb_"China bans Windows 8 on government computers"  Times of India.  Cool!May 20 20:48
cubezzzhigher learning centres were always into UnixMay 20 20:49
msb_cubezzz: But if Linux, at least some distros) is already set up on a computer, it can be used just as easily, and by non-programmers, as Windows.  And works a lot better.May 20 20:49
cubezzzpersonally, I just want source code :)May 20 20:50
sebsebsebmsb_: yeah thanks for the link, just read it, but I guess it means Mac is ok stillMay 20 20:50
cubezzzmsb_, someone still has to install itMay 20 20:50
cubezzzthe OEMs are just starting to do that to some degreeMay 20 20:50
msb_Windows is already installed when the computer is purchased, thanks to MS' coercion.May 20 20:51
msb_Linux has been installed on computers in public libraries, and people find it just as easy as Windows.  May 20 20:51
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h4dVFOi3XgMay 20 20:52
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msb_Sometimes they think it *is* Windows, or don't even know what an OS is.May 20 20:52
cubezzzunfortunately not around here, not in libraries anywayMay 20 20:52
sebsebsebcubezzz: msb_ schestowitz__  now ow do I talk for a few minutes about  free software activists and suc, and make it intresting to people who odn't really know about that hmmMay 20 20:52
abeNd-orgthe only thing i dont like about linux at the library is there is no good patron management system that works with both linux & windows machinesMay 20 20:52
abeNd-orgsome that work for windows & mac, but not linuxMay 20 20:53
sebsebsebpublic speakingMay 20 20:53
abeNd-organd when you contact the vendors they say they wont support linuxMay 20 20:53
msb_sebsebseb: Show them the movie _Antitrust_!   8^)May 20 20:54
sebsebsebpatron what's that?May 20 20:54
sebsebsebmsb_: no seriously I got a spech coming up and it's hmmMay 20 20:54
abeNd-orglibrary patron = anyone who walks through the door that isnt a library employeeMay 20 20:54
sebsebsebmsb_: I want to give people an idea what this stuffi s about, and can be about for some and whyMay 20 20:54
cubezzzsee, Microsoft courted developers firstMay 20 20:55
cubezzzthey were anti-Unix, anti-BeoS, anti-Linux, anti-anything but windowsMay 20 20:55
cubezzzwe're still reversing that mindsetMay 20 20:55
abeNd-orgwell, until i can get a good patron management system that will work with the ILS (evergreen, opensource) in the backend, & windows as well as linux in the front end, im stuck with windows only May 20 20:56
msb_sebsebseb: Tell them Windows crashes, spies on them, costs $100+, won't let them play some DRM'ed media.May 20 20:57
msb_Tell them Microsoft lies to them.May 20 20:57
msb_abeNd-org: Do you want a system that tracks patrons and the books they borrow?  I'm just talking about putting Linux computers out for the patrons to use.May 20 20:58
sebsebsebmsb_: well yes to an extnetMay 20 20:58
sebsebsebmsb_: ,but I want to go for a more middle thing I thinkMay 20 20:58
cubezzzhttp://www.greenstone.orgMay 20 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenstone.org | Welcome :: Greenstone Digital Library SoftwareMay 20 20:58
sebsebsebopen source and free software the difference a bitMay 20 20:58
sebsebsebmsb_: how some take freedom to the extreame really, and go and replace their bis to maybe say somethingabout that evenMay 20 20:59
sebsebseboh core boot nice, but iif it goes wrong I guess computer won't work wellMay 20 20:59
sebsebsebchanging OS  ok not a big deal these days, but the bios of the computer to, that's like taking freedom to the next levelMay 20 20:59
sebsebsebmost don't care enough to do that even, to even tryMay 20 20:59
sebsebseba lot don't care if the bios is   propritayr fimewire as well that even know something about thatMay 20 21:00
cubezzzchromebooks come with coreboot installed already, except for the first 3May 20 21:00
sebsebsebmsb_: cubezzz schestowitz__ have you replaced your bios with a free one?May 20 21:00
sebsebsebwell if it's already installed that's differnet, it works it's pre installed :)May 20 21:01
sebsebseb,but most computers that is not the case,  and  so replaceing the bios with coreboot is like taking software freedom to the extreame realy?lMay 20 21:01
msb_sebsebseb: Nope.  No reason to.  Not UEFI.May 20 21:01
sebsebsebif it goes wrong the computer won't work,  it's not like if a OS install goeswrong so what,  make a new partion table start overMay 20 21:01
sebsebsebmsb_: what's that?May 20 21:01
sebsebseboh your saying no reason to use core bootMay 20 21:01
sebsebsebsince it won't do uefi ?May 20 21:01
cubezzzsebsebseb, if you're developing you need a flash writerMay 20 21:01
cubezzzand socketed biosMay 20 21:02
sebsebsebcubezzz: flash write,r  for the bios /?May 20 21:02
cubezzzjust glue push-pins on the chip so you can remove it easilyMay 20 21:02
msb_UEFI is the new bios system MS is pushing that prevents any OS other than the one specified by the mfr (Windows) from running.May 20 21:02
sebsebsebmfr?  mbr?May 20 21:03
msb_MS wants UEFI to kill Linux.May 20 21:03
cubezzzthere's chromebooks and lemote, both have bios source codeMay 20 21:03
msb_mfr - manufacturerMay 20 21:03
sebsebsebmsb_: right, but your saying core boot won't support UEFI ?May 20 21:03
sebsebsebanyway let's say someone puts on a 100% free software distro, since they want compelte freedom, right okMay 20 21:03
cubezzzthere's an open source implementation of UEFI :)May 20 21:04
sebsebsebor pretty much complete freedomMay 20 21:04
cubezzzit's called TianoCoreMay 20 21:04
sebsebsebit seems to me that then replaceing the bios with coreboot is like taking everything to the next levelMay 20 21:04
amarsh04restart time, rebuilt a new kernel after Linus Torvalds returned from his week off and posted a relatively small lot updatesMay 20 21:04
msb_sebsebseb: I suppose it will, but A. I don't need UEFI and B.  my presne bios works fine, so I'm not gonna fuck with it.May 20 21:04
sebsebsebisn't it good enough running a 100% free OS?  why  o the bios as well?  why go to the next level seriosuly?  May 20 21:04
sebsebsebwhy mess with the bios, when you know your computer can go quite wrong if it messes up/?May 20 21:04
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sebsebsebwhy not leave it as the propritar bios?  when got those concerns, but no those that really do want compelte freedom will replace the bios to or try toMay 20 21:05
cubezzzsocketed bios can be re-programmedMay 20 21:05
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sebsebseband I think that may e taking software freedom to the extreame May 20 21:05
sebsebsebcubezzz: what do you mean by socketed bios?May 20 21:05
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cubezzzsocketed chipMay 20 21:06
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sebsebsebmsb_: I think most people take a middle groundorh watever it's called,  they wnat to be rather free, but they still want to have that Nivida propritary graphics driver, or theFLash plugin for exampleMay 20 21:06
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sebsebsebhmm reay no MinceR ?lMay 20 21:06
cubezzzso you can removed it, replace itMay 20 21:06
sebsebsebcubezzz: the like haing two bios's thin or whatever osmeone said to me beoreMay 20 21:06
sebsebsebso if  it goes wrong installing core bootMay 20 21:06
sebsebsebstill got a bios?May 20 21:07
cubezzznoMay 20 21:07
cubezzzyou take it out and reprogram it when necessaryMay 20 21:07
MinceRsebsebseb: huh?May 20 21:07
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121449May 20 21:07
sebsebsebcubezzz: or you take it out and install core boot if you want to, is that you mean?May 20 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I most honestly like @JonoBacon but what if I could offer improvement to his approach, it would be reduction of hypocrisy. #openrespectMay 20 21:07
schestowitz__"I don't care for Canonical and Ubuntu, as it breaks FLOSS. Ergo: don't care for Jono Bacon. BTW yes, we're all grown up here, but his name and surname makes me wanna laugh everytime I hear it. PS sorry Jono Bacon. Didn't want to be rude or whatever. I'm sure you're a nice man and stuff."May 20 21:07
cubezzzsebsebseb, if you want to try coreboot the easy way is to buy a chromebookMay 20 21:08
cubezzzit's a lot of work understanding the motherboard well enough to add coreboot if it's not supportedMay 20 21:08
msb_sebsebseb: I use what works best.  The nvidia driver works well and has a nice adjuster.  Flash is shit but lots of websites use it.  May 20 21:08
sebsebsebcubezzz: ok the easy way,  but those who want complete freedom on their standard  non chromebook or lemote,  I guess may try andinstall it on there  replaceing the propritary bios?  and I am saying that's taking software freedom to the extremae really?May 20 21:09
sebsebsebwhy mess with something as valuble as the bios realy, most people woudn't,  but those who want complete freedom, oh yeah they mayMay 20 21:09
cubezzzno, I would't say it's extremeMay 20 21:09
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cubezzzbuilding your own computer from stratch, that's extreme :)May 20 21:09
sebsebsebI mean the averaege computer user who likes free software won't touch the bios probabyMay 20 21:09
cubezzzwell there are firmware updatesMay 20 21:10
sebsebsebthose running a 100% free software distro,  probably most won't replace the propritary bios on the machine as well, or try to with a free oneMay 20 21:10
cubezzzFSF doesMay 20 21:10
cubezzzthey run corebootMay 20 21:10
sebsebsebyes  those really into  software freedom wll try and replace the bios lie I just saidMay 20 21:10
sebsebseb,but  everyone else uh noMay 20 21:10
sebsebseband that's my pointMay 20 21:10
sebsebsebthose who are so sucked into sofftware freedom, but the reset well noMay 20 21:11
cubezzzI'd rather know what it's doingMay 20 21:11
sebsebsebwell sure, but my point is most computer users won't take things to the next level by trying to replace the propritary  bios with a free oneMay 20 21:11
amarsh04I think that coreboot is worthwhile... just wish that I could get hold of a decent motherboard that supported itMay 20 21:11
sebsebseb,because they will beworriedit goes wrong and computer ismsesed up, and they know it's not like doing a OS, for those that even tryMay 20 21:12
sebsebsebor want toMay 20 21:12
cubezzzI've botched coreboot up many timesMay 20 21:12
sebsebsebIt's a good project sure, but it's not one for most LInux   users at the moment, and that's my pointMay 20 21:12
cubezzzuntil I learned enough to get it workingMay 20 21:12
amarsh04motherboards that incorporate a dual bios arrangement would be a good startMay 20 21:12
sebsebsebmost LInux users would be to scared to even  try installing core boot replaceing the propritary bios of the computerMay 20 21:12
sebsebseb,but those into  software freedom enough, oh they will be doingit sure, and that's my pointMay 20 21:13
sebsebseb,but as one of the people who won't  even try and replace the bios at the moment,  I think it's like taking  things to the next level  trying to do thatMay 20 21:13
sebsebsebget me now?May 20 21:13
abeNd-orgmsb_ the current system we use is cassie from http://www.librarica.com/, it integrates fully into the opensource evergreen ILS (library database, all the materials & library cards), it allows the patrons to log into the computer using their library card as the userid, they can reserve computers if they want to, etcMay 20 21:13
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amarsh04one would need to be running more than one machine, but that's what I'm doing already - having 2 machines is great for getting out of sticky situationsMay 20 21:14
sebsebsebmost people don't care enough about the bios to try and replace it with a free one, that's another point I am pmakingMay 20 21:14
amarsh04and if I get a new machine I'd try to get something that supported coreboot and get that running on it firstMay 20 21:14
sebsebseb,but those who care enough,  generally care so much about software freedom, that they aren't the average free software userMay 20 21:14
cubezzzit's not just corebootMay 20 21:15
amarsh04I haven't caught up with efi yetMay 20 21:15
abeNd-orgim sure most would be willing to flash their linksys router with ddwrt, but not their computer's bios with something opensourceMay 20 21:15
cubezzzSun had openbootMay 20 21:15
sebsebsebabeNd-org: bingo that's the point I am makingMay 20 21:15
cubezzzPDP's had open firmware tooMay 20 21:15
sebsebsebabeNd-org: ,but why  and so on and uhMay 20 21:15
sebsebsebabeNd-org: they will switch to a LINUX DISTRO, they may do the router,  but the bios wil be left aloneMay 20 21:15
sebsebsebonly those who are really into this kindof stuff, even try and change the bioMay 20 21:16
sebsebsebsMay 20 21:16
sebsebseband everyone else noMay 20 21:16
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: vendor support, you do that to your nice dell desktop/laptop & you have voided all warranty, even hardrive/etc, but no one cares about voiding the warranty on a linksys router with ddwrtMay 20 21:16
sebsebsebjust like only usually those who really care so much about the ethics of software freedom run 100% free softare LInuxdistroMay 20 21:16
sebsebsebno  flash no this nad that, everyone else,  well  things like FLash they will install basially and yeahMay 20 21:17
cubezzzalso...May 20 21:17
cubezzzOPLC has open firmwareMay 20 21:17
cubezzzI'm sure I could name more examplesMay 20 21:17
cubezzzIBM power...May 20 21:17
sebsebsebabeNd-org:  cubezzz and only those who care so much about it,  correct people  usauly wnen they say LInux, and they are like no it's  GNU/LinuxMay 20 21:17
abeNd-orgbesides, ive not had issues running SuSE on my dell servers, even with the latest bios updates, so i dont see how that is stopping linux on the server sideMay 20 21:18
cubezzzbut I don't say that sebsebsebMay 20 21:18
cubezzzI run a bunch of different OSes May 20 21:18
sebsebsebsome people care so much about all this that,  they are obbssed with itMay 20 21:18
sebsebsebNO it mst be GNUMay 20 21:18
sebsebsebno  LInuxwithout the GNUMay 20 21:18
sebsebseboh  geez no don't run a propiray bios, must be core bootMay 20 21:18
cubezzzstrawman argumentMay 20 21:19
sebsebsebno no running WIndows is so bad, no no Mac is so badMay 20 21:19
cubezzzwhich I never madeMay 20 21:19
sebsebsebyes Stallman is the great example of what I ma sayingMay 20 21:19
MinceR> "- i'd like to get a mousepad for my mac. - yes, this seems like a fair trade"May 20 21:19
sebsebsebcubezzz: yes you didn't , but wI want to talk a bit about this stuff in a talkMay 20 21:19
sebsebsebthat's why I am thinking about itMay 20 21:19
sebsebsebwhat to say etcMay 20 21:19
abeNd-orgmost people could care less about the distinctions May 20 21:19
sebsebsebhow  to like make people think intereseting, but without thinking ike oh those people are nutsMay 20 21:19
sebsebsebI want to look at the people who don't care as muchMay 20 21:19
sebsebsebto those that doMay 20 21:19
sebsebseband a bit aout myself and so onMay 20 21:20
sebsebseb,but to an aduaince of people who  aren't reall into computers most of them, so it's like hwat to say,  how to say itMay 20 21:20
sebsebsebabeNd-org: the distinctions the   so  called correct way of saying things is that what you mean?May 20 21:20
sebsebsebabeNd-org: oh and openSUSE well some would attack you for that, since the MIcrooft deal, incluing MinceRMay 20 21:21
sebsebsebthere's that kind of thing to, oh no Microsofot is linked to that, it's so bad,  well here's one such example,  some companies are in a group now   so money anbe used, if heartbleed issues happen agianMay 20 21:21
sebsebsebone such company is Microsoft, no APple in there htoughMay 20 21:21
abeNd-orgwell the business apps customers run are certified on SLES, so that is what i use (not even opensuse), customer wants vendor certification for their business apps, so its either windows or SLES (sometimes rhel)May 20 21:22
sebsebsebnow is that a bad thing that Microsoft put them selves in a group,  of companies  like thatMay 20 21:22
cubezzzmy advice to anyone is to read historyMay 20 21:22
DaemonFCwhy is the green light on my phone flashing for no reason?May 20 21:23
cubezzzor watch some of Moglen's videosMay 20 21:23
cubezzzor read what Moglen wrote about copyrightMay 20 21:23
abeNd-orgbut the average human doesnt care about linux/gnu/bsd/windows/etc, they just want their facebook & photosharing to work, they could care less if it was on internet explorer, firefox, chrome, etcMay 20 21:24
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cubezzzwell the NSA spying, I think they care about thatMay 20 21:27
cubezzzsome of my customers are anti-cloudMay 20 21:28
cubezzzeventually the old ways of thinking will die outMay 20 21:34
cubezzzand the next generation will do things differentlyMay 20 21:34
cubezzzcoaches used to be 100% against hockey goalies wearing face protection :)May 20 21:35
cubezzzso yeah, learn some historyMay 20 21:35
cubezzzread Moglen's phd dissertation, it's an excellent piece of workMay 20 21:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Edubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr : Video ReviewMay 20 21:44
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abeNd-orgyea, it seems "the cloud" is where all the customers want to go, even if it doesnt make financial sense for them to do soMay 20 21:46
_GoblinI suppose I'm a customer (albeit not a company) I'm 98% on the cloudMay 20 21:51
_GoblinStorage wise (for my documents) I'm sort of hybrid since this device can work offline with my docs and syncs them when available.May 20 21:52
_Goblin100gb of storage - that covers all my family snaps.....Docs don't use up the space...I think it's great.May 20 21:53
cubezzzpeople (still) aren't backing up their dataMay 20 21:54
abeNd-orgthats ok, most data really isnt all that importantMay 20 21:55
abeNd-orgmost individuals would be fine if they had to start overMay 20 21:55
cubezzzwell, I assume folks want to keep their photosMay 20 21:55
abeNd-org*shrug* if they do, then they should back them up, if not, then they werent important to begin withMay 20 21:55
_GoblinI've lost more photo's through local storage than I care to remember...May 20 21:57
_Goblinat least with Google I've had them on the drive for a long while, no issues.May 20 21:57
abeNd-orgi have mine "backed up" locally, onedrive (225gb space) & bittorrentsync to an external driveMay 20 21:57
_Goblinand if the government want to look through them, then fine as long as they don't mess up the organization.May 20 21:58
abeNd-orgif i manage to lose it in all 3 places, well, it wasnt all that important to begin with :PMay 20 21:58
_GoblinI was burned by an external drive....May 20 21:58
_Goblinmaybe my backup routine was lacking....May 20 21:58
_Goblinbut then you just don't see how fragile things are until its too late.May 20 21:59
cubezzzwell no system is perfect, some of my kodachrome slides have deterioratedMay 20 21:59
abeNd-org_goblin when all that nsa snooping first broke schestowitz took one of my quotes along the lines of "fine, make a copy of all my stuff, but at least give me access to it as a backup"May 20 21:59
cubezzzmostly the ones from the mid-70sMay 20 21:59
cubezzzold film can have vinegar syndromeMay 20 21:59
_GoblinabeNd-org: I'd agree....It would be less a bitter pill to swallow if I can grab a backup should things get deleted.May 20 21:59
abeNd-orgyep, if we could get something for our money out of it...May 20 22:00
_Goblinbut then we all store data on the cloud....of sorts....May 20 22:00
abeNd-orgjust setup owncloud or something as a front end & give us all logins :PMay 20 22:00
_Goblinthats another plus of gdrive...I can share it with anyone.May 20 22:01
_Goblinso its handy when relatives have photo's to upload.May 20 22:01
abeNd-orgyea, dropbox & im pretty sure onedrive allow that tooMay 20 22:02
abeNd-org& for corporate use I use Novell Filr for that, works greatMay 20 22:02
abeNd-org^since it works against edir/ad/ldapMay 20 22:03
_GoblinI won't use dropbox....appart from the management issues its not integrated on this Chromebook like gdrive.May 20 22:03
abeNd-orgi havent played with a chromebook really as of yetMay 20 22:03
_GoblinI'd recommend.May 20 22:03
abeNd-orgsetup wireless on a bunch of them for some kids, but havent actually used it other than thatMay 20 22:03
abeNd-orgive got no disposable income for one of my own, & cant really think of what i would use it for. cant use it for anything above & beyond my work laptop for work or personal useMay 20 22:04
MinceRgnMay 20 22:05
_GoblinI think they come into their own if you are looking to replace an existing laptop, live mostly online and use Google services heavily.May 20 22:05
_Goblingn mateMay 20 22:05
abeNd-organd up until recently, my home internet connection was subpar DSLMay 20 22:05
abeNd-orgso living in the cloud would have been very dark & gloomyMay 20 22:05
abeNd-orgi couldnt stream a 240p youtube video without it buffering very few minutesMay 20 22:06
cubezzzhave you tried gmail-backup?May 20 22:06
_GoblinIts pretty flawless switching between off and online (for documents et al) however for me, if I lose net connection any machine is pretty much worthless to me.May 20 22:06
_Goblincubezzz: no.....don't need particularly.May 20 22:06
cubezzzI hope it doesn't backup the spam :-PMay 20 22:07
_Goblinprobably will....May 20 22:07
_Goblinalthough it filters my spam quite effectively.May 20 22:07
_GoblinI've seen a really useless feature.......May 20 22:07
_Goblin"Request your tweets"......May 20 22:08
_Goblinwho on earth wants to request a copy of all their tweets? In my case 13k of them.May 20 22:08
cubezzzhmmm, seems to go back to 2009May 20 22:09
_GoblinI joined in that yearMay 20 22:09
_GoblinI was a Twitter pioneer.......(or was I) not sure when twitter startedMay 20 22:10
cubezzzgmail only started in July 2008May 20 22:10
sebsebsebcubezzz: hmm sounds about right for gmailMay 20 22:10
sebsebsebI got quite early I guessMay 20 22:11
sebsebsebthenMay 20 22:11
_GoblinI can't say I've had any issues.....May 20 22:11
_Goblinoh except for when I delete mail and I get a message "Why delete you have loads of space?"May 20 22:11
_GoblinI delete because the stuff is crap.May 20 22:11
_GoblinI don't keep crap.May 20 22:12
_GoblinNo actually I do..... I have an 80286 up in the loft with Windows 3.1 on it.May 20 22:12
_Goblinor was it a 386?May 20 22:13
cubezzzan historical artifact :)May 20 22:13
_GoblinIt's cool because its an Amstrad and its shaped like the battlestar galacticaMay 20 22:13
_Goblin(I think I've said that here before)May 20 22:13
_GoblinMark my words:  The new Star Wars films will be worse than spending a day on Alderaan with the Death Star in orbit.May 20 22:16
_Goblin(a random Twitter remark of mine)....May 20 22:16
_GoblinI think I'm going to request my Tweets just to see what they send me.May 20 22:16
_GoblinAnd here's a photo of the same Amstrad I have... https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/467226630348611584May 20 22:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_Goblin: This is a pic of someone else's one, I wonder should I go into the loft to get mine? http://t.co/9nBSTCUAFwMay 20 22:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_Goblin: This is a pic of someone else's one, I wonder should I go into the loft to get mine? http://t.co/9nBSTCUAFwMay 20 22:18
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msb_sebsebseb: Seems to me that you would want to talk about the advantages of Linux over Windows and Mac.  In addition to reliability, one of the big advantages is multiple virtual desktops (if you use a DE that supports them).  You can have one desktop for Mail, one for Music, one for Photos, etc., as many as 20 of them, and in each one you only have the programs for that particular activity, so your screen is never cluttered with programsMay 20 23:32
msb_you're not using.  This is viewed by many Linux power users as one of the greatest advantages of Linux.May 20 23:32
msb_sebsebseb: KDE3 and Trinity (TDE) supports this.  Perhaps there are others.May 20 23:34
msb_sebsebseb: Each desktop has at the bottom a little applet listing the names of all the desktops, and to switch to a different one you only have to click on the name of the one you want to go to.May 20 23:36
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msb_if seb^3 ever comes back, here's the excellent description of MS evil from cubezzz:  http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txtMay 20 23:42
msb_RIP The BotMay 20 23:42
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msb_Guess it's alive after all.May 20 23:46
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cubezzzyeah, I really think things have improved thoughMay 20 23:51
cubezzzchromebooks, linux/bsd, coreboot, simhMay 20 23:52
cubezzzlots of reasons not to use M$May 20 23:53
cubezzz"Genuine Advantage"May 20 23:55
cubezzzforced online validationMay 20 23:55
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cubezzzsome folks who had a geniune windows were flagged as counterfeitMay 21 00:01
cubezzzOffice Genuine Advantage was shut down late 2010May 21 00:05
cubezzzin the old days you could install a program on two or more computersMay 21 00:06
cubezzzno one thought twice about itMay 21 00:06
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cubezzzselling IBM windows for a higher price was a nice trick tooMay 21 00:15
cubezzzhad to put the kibosh on OS/2 don't ya knowMay 21 00:17
cubezzznot upgrading fast enough? whoa, it's time for touch-screen :)May 21 00:17
cubezzzhttp://www.wnd.com/2013/06/nsa-has-total-access-via-microsoft-windows/May 21 00:21
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msb_Here's Stallman's excellent short story about future imprisonment -- for reading.    https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.htmlMay 21 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | The Right to Read - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/4x2yh ]May 21 00:23
cubezzzreally the DMCA stuff just slows things down a bitMay 21 00:26
cubezzzit sure didn't stop anything :)May 21 00:27
cubezzzyou know, scanners and all thatMay 21 00:28
cubezzzthat is really the KO punchMay 21 00:28
msb_Little mammals, eating the dinosaurs' eggs!May 21 00:30
msb_I'll bet the rulers wish they'd never allowed ARPANET to be created!May 21 00:31
cubezzzno they just want to control itMay 21 00:31
msb_But they can't!May 21 00:32
cubezzzopen protocols...May 21 00:32
msb_Even if they enforce extreme security restrictions on it, we can make our own nets.May 21 00:33
msb_Pseudo-random frequency-hopping spread-spectrum.  I love that one!May 21 00:34
cubezzzbut you're on comcast :)May 21 00:34
cubezzzat least use a free-net, if at all possibleMay 21 00:34
msb_I'm talking about a totally DIY network.May 21 00:35
msb_Not just an ISP.May 21 00:35
msb_PRFHSS would be virtually undetectible -- indistinguishable from random noise.May 21 00:36
msb_You'd need a matched PRNG to detect and decode it.  Very cheap these days!May 21 00:37
cubezzzis anyone doing that now?May 21 00:38
cubezzzthere's mesh I thinkMay 21 00:38
msb_I think its a standard military method.May 21 00:38
msb_That too.May 21 00:38
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msb_Someone told me that wifi already uses frequency hopping.May 21 00:39
abeNd-organy of you in the northwest?May 21 00:40
msb_CaliforniaMay 21 00:40
cubezzznorthwest what? :)May 21 00:40
abeNd-orgobviously the only northwest that matters :PMay 21 00:41
msb_The US is the center of the Universe.May 21 00:41
cubezzzthis is IRC you knowMay 21 00:41
abeNd-orgmsb wife wants to move out to the oregon areaMay 21 00:41
msb_Doubt that and you won't live to tell about it.May 21 00:41
abeNd-orghow am i supposed to know where you all liveMay 21 00:42
abeNd-orgwhich is why i was askingMay 21 00:42
cubezzzwell you guys invented Unix, so yeahMay 21 00:42
msb_We're just razzing you.May 21 00:42
cubezzzI'm close to TorontoMay 21 00:42
abeNd-orgcoming from Texas, where I'm told the job market is actually good, was just hoping to get a feel of the west coast/northwest if any of you were actually around thereMay 21 00:43
msb_It's kinda squishy in some places.May 21 00:46
msb_I don't know what to tell you.  I don't get out much.May 21 00:47
abeNd-orglolMay 21 00:48
msb_The population of California is gradually being displaced by Mexican nationals.May 21 00:51
msb_Consequently, Asian and Italian food is disappearing from stores like Costco.May 21 00:52
msb_However there is one type of food that is now appearing everywhere, and that is tilapia fish.May 21 00:53
msb_Tilapia is the only fish in the known universe that has "loins".May 21 00:54
abeNd-orgyea, TX is disappearing too, as is basic literacy (in any language) thus my librarian wife looking to move somewhere that literacy is a bit betterMay 21 00:56
msb_It's very secretive about what it does with those "loins", but the result is a lot of tilapia fish.May 21 00:56
msb_At least we're not getting a lot of Muslims who would want to cut our heads off if we criticize their religion.May 21 00:58
cubezzzworking in a library, seems like it would be a nice jobMay 21 01:03
abeNd-orgmsb_ the religion of love & tolerance?May 21 01:08
abeNd-orgcubezzz yea, if your populace is literate May 21 01:09
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/pavethemoon/status/468905131766202368May 21 05:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pavethemoon: @schestowitz Your reporting is fantastic. I, until recently, was selling Windows software of my own. I've come to GNU/Linux to repent.May 21 05:53
schestowitz__There   is high demand for GNU/Linux these days, esp. in business and public sectorMay 21 05:53
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/468851220308709376May 21 05:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz dude, non-free software is better. if it wasn't for that, i wouldn't have a consulting business fixing the shit it ruins :)May 21 05:54
schestowitz__I know that feeling...May 21 05:54
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121688May 21 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?May 21 05:58
schestowitz__"Hm, well ... you might have a point there, Roy."May 21 05:58
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4122167May 21 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?May 21 05:58
schestowitz__"That's not so far off the truth. He was in on the start of the Open Source movement though it wasn't his idea."May 21 05:58
schestowitz__They only phoned him after they chose the nameMay 21 05:59
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121390May 21 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?May 21 05:59
schestowitz__"It's Forbes, marc."May 21 05:59
schestowitz__"Aah, so I guess we could stop here. Forbes ..."May 21 06:00
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4122206May 21 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?May 21 06:00
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4122206May 21 06:00
schestowitz__"I have a different idea, if you have to pay handsomely engineers for writing and supporting software then it might be hideous, compared to software written and maintained by guys for free just because is funny and fulfilling."May 21 06:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android mini-PC taps quad-core Rockchip, coolsMay 21 06:25
TweetTuxMachines                 itself http://t.co/RlDK6VKGTEMay 21 06:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android mini-PC taps quad-core Rockchip, cools itself | Tux MachinesMay 21 06:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Rugged, wildly modular tablet runs Android andMay 21 06:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/hvDSu35qEHMay 21 06:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rugged, wildly modular tablet runs Android and Linux | Tux MachinesMay 21 06:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Security's future belongs to open sourceMay 21 06:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/3HZw3vnyqJMay 21 06:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security's future belongs to open source | Tux MachinesMay 21 06:29
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/468986458544828416May 21 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz could this mean the return of PJ and Groklaw?May 21 06:32
schestowitz__she worked hard for 10 years, I think she's resting nowMay 21 06:32
*TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Security's future belongs to open source http://t.co/3HZw3vnyqJ'May 21 06:33
*TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Rugged, wildly modular tablet runs Android and Linux...'May 21 06:33
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/468989288605286400May 21 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz GTK+ doesn't need an inspector, it needs either SWAT, SAS or a demolition team.. Sorry, couldn't resist.May 21 06:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora Shake Up, Linus Interviewed, and Mint 16May 21 07:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Reviewed http://t.co/AS2CaiNawRMay 21 07:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Shake Up, Linus Interviewed, and Mint 16 Reviewed | Tux MachinesMay 21 07:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Mac-ifying of the Linux DesktopMay 21 07:40
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/o3TX1R7mXdMay 21 07:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Mac-ifying of the Linux Desktop | Tux MachinesMay 21 07:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat's OpenStack moment: Just like Linux inMay 21 08:18
TweetTuxMachines                 2003? http://t.co/jysYrzqWXNMay 21 08:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcsubMay 21 08:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat's OpenStack moment: Just like Linux in 2003? | Tux MachinesMay 21 08:18
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4123762May 21 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA Spying Inspires ProtonMail 'End-to-End' Encrypted Email Service http://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/nsa-spying-inspires-protonmail-end-to-end-encrypted-email-service-526769 redo #email - start with encryption as standardMay 21 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gadgets.ndtv.com | NSA Spying Inspires ProtonMail 'End-to-End' Encrypted Email Service | NDTV Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/hcsuo ]May 21 08:21
schestowitz__I think that, no matters what, the most secure way is encripting mails by using GPG. The disadvantage of GPG is that no-one want to use it! Like the think "its not going to happen to me",,, maybe is because they don't have a clueless idea about how e-mail works... :-/""May 21 08:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mesa 10.1.4 | Tux MachinesMay 21 09:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With Ubuntu Derivatives | Tux MachinesMay 21 10:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open-Source DisplayPort MST Is Under ReviewMay 21 10:46
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/9PYWLg6mUTMay 21 10:46
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MinceRhttp://www.thenation.com/article/179710/hungary-and-end-politicsMay 21 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Hungary and the End of Politics | The Nation [ http://ur1.ca/hcu4o ]May 21 13:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Epic Games Wants Linux to Take Off as a GamingMay 21 13:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Platform http://t.co/k0eRveHwMIMay 21 13:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Epic Games Wants Linux to Take Off as a Gaming Platform | Tux MachinesMay 21 13:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NVIDIA On Ubuntu 14.04 Has Some New AdvantagesMay 21 13:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Over Windows 8.1 http://t.co/Ng8hXCMjc6May 21 13:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcu5cMay 21 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA On Ubuntu 14.04 Has Some New Advantages Over Windows 8.1 | Tux MachinesMay 21 13:33
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SosumiphewMay 21 14:49
Sosumifinally some good newsMay 21 14:49
Sosumithe head of ISIS got killed this morningMay 21 14:49
Sosumithe leader from the islamic state of iraq and shamMay 21 14:49
Sosumior the levantMay 21 14:49
Sosumifrom, well, forMay 21 14:50
Sosumisince the idea of ISIS group wasn't yet implementedMay 21 14:51
Sosumimy guess is that the state dept, Uk and france are have been having a bad sinceMay 21 14:52
Sosumiall their boys have been basically wiped out syria nowMay 21 14:52
Sosumi-ofMay 21 14:53
Sosumialso M$ announced the implementation of a "power nap" similar feature to what crapple hasMay 21 14:54
Sosumiwhen they launched the new surface "pukelet"May 21 14:54
Sosumiwhich lets the computer fetch emails and update itself while in sleep modeMay 21 14:55
Sosumijust more completeMay 21 14:56
Sosumiwhile power nap on osx is restricted to what crapple wantsMay 21 14:56
Sosumibasically, just their programsMay 21 14:56
Sosumibut I wonder if gnu/linux has such thingMay 21 14:56
Sosumihttp://www.anandtech.com/show/8030/backup-guideMay 21 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anandtech.com | AnandTech | Averting Disaster - A Guide To Computer Backups (2014) [ http://ur1.ca/hcuju ]May 21 15:10
Sosumithere's talk about built in features, paid solutions and windows serverMay 21 15:11
Sosumibut not a single word about a "free" solutionMay 21 15:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD WithMay 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Ubuntu Derivatives http://t.co/wZErbzKkDYMay 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines @nihil_enochian  May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcuxaMay 21 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With Ubuntu Derivatives | Tux MachinesMay 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Smallest OS for Raspberry Pi, piCore 5.3,May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Returns with Linux Kernel 3.14.4May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/HDDw7bthOtMay 21 15:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Smallest OS for Raspberry Pi, piCore 5.3, Returns with Linux Kernel 3.14.4 | Tux MachinesMay 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android-x86 4.4-RC2 (KitKat-x86)May 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ye09x6XDkTMay 21 17:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android-x86 4.4-RC2 (KitKat-x86) | Tux MachinesMay 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chakra-2014.05-Descartes releasedMay 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/gP6h9Z1tEaMay 21 17:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chakra-2014.05-Descartes released | Tux MachinesMay 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux, Linux everywhere http://t.co/fIrsOW1kWnMay 21 17:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/hcv6tMay 21 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux, Linux everywhere | Tux MachinesMay 21 17:03
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/41216414May 21 19:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?May 21 19:24
schestowitz__"at the moment the Pirates around here do it voluntarily without any gratification....you are right, but until the new parties get corrupted, they can do nice work :-) There´s the hope thing again :-D:May 21 19:24
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/469175117155926016May 21 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: RT @LDRLB Apple’s Patently Absurd Smartphone Crusade - Larry Downes - Harvard Business Review http://t.co/rR0UONMeb9 @schestowitzMay 21 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.hbr.org | Apple’s Patently Absurd Smartphone Crusade - Larry Downes - Harvard Business ReviewMay 21 20:38
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/469175117155926016May 21 20:39
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DaemonFCa few seconds agoMay 21 20:48
DaemonFCHey, Indiana Republicans.... I have an idea, you assholes...May 21 20:48
DaemonFCInstead of sitting on $2 billion in a "rainy day fund" that was supposed to be stimulus money to put people back to work, which came from the federal government in 2009, while you're busy trying to build new toll roads, why don't you spend the $2 billion, ON THE ROADS!?!?!?May 21 20:48
DaemonFCIt would take less than 10% of that fund to complete I-69 without turning it into a toll road. It would take about 5% of that fund to expand Medicaid through 2033.May 21 20:48
DaemonFCThe money is there. The state is not broke. We have assholes running the state.May 21 20:48
schestowitz__"yup"May 21 20:49
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126390May 21 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The Greens – not #UKIP – are the real alternative to the political Establishment" http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/vote-green-in-england/ #england #ukMay 21 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Vote Green in England [ http://ur1.ca/hcwdv ]May 21 20:49
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121641May 21 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #pirateparty on the rise http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-backs-pirate-parties-eu-elections-140520/ http://falkvinge.net/2014/05/20/the-pirate-bay-running-pirate-party-promos-in-election-week/ #euMay 21 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> torrentfreak.com | Pirate Bay Backs Pirate Party With EU Election Banners | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hcq2a ]May 21 20:50
schestowitz__"Probobly ;)"May 21 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> falkvinge.net | The Pirate Bay Running Promos For European Pirate Parties In Election Week - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/hckip ]May 21 20:50
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4111020May 21 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #iceweasel - which my wife and I use - almost definitely will exclude #drm from #adobe + #mozilla - #gnu has a fork/branch alsoMay 21 20:51
schestowitz__"is iceweasel a firefox plug-in or addon?"May 21 20:51
DaemonFC2 secs · May 21 20:51
DaemonFCBrooks Fetters, the Republican mayor of Huntington, who didn't tell us that there was shit and e. coli in our water, while we were drinking it for a week, has lifted the boil advisory that we didn't know about until yesterday.May 21 20:51
DaemonFCHerpa Derp Derp! Duh!!!!!!May 21 20:51
schestowitz__it's like a forkMay 21 20:51
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126389May 21 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "How Victor Orbán launched a constitutional coup and created a one-party state." http://www.thenation.com/article/179710/hungary-and-end-politics similar to #ukMay 21 20:51
schestowitz__"BUT THE CONSTITUTION IS SUPPOSE TO PROTECT US! WHY, GOD, WHY????"May 21 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thenation.com | Hungary and the End of Politics | The Nation [ http://ur1.ca/hcu4o ]May 21 20:51
DaemonFCFetters and the City Council Republicans recently approved $170,000 of Huntington taxpayer money, to build a new awning outside of a highly profitable car insurance agent's office. That agent donated to their campaigns.May 21 20:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     RemoteBox 1.8 Lets Users Control VirtualMay 21 20:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Machines Remotely http://t.co/PtpPHGq6HuMay 21 20:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RemoteBox 1.8 Lets Users Control Virtual Machines Remotely | Tux MachinesMay 21 20:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/Xb7bkp1LMEMay 21 21:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Screenshots | Tux MachinesMay 21 21:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/S9zrvRkLvfMay 21 21:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesMay 21 21:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/m0T6SQSVknMay 21 21:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 21 21:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/7aBq9kl2KaMay 21 21:57
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schestowitz__http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/so-many-videos-to-makes-so-little-time/May 21 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com | So many videos to makes, so little time! | Thunderf00t [ http://ur1.ca/hcwr8 ]May 21 22:07
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/sabinenamba/status/469207450269130752May 22 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sabinenamba: @schestowitz Take my freedom please!May 22 05:05
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126829May 22 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "A little-known aspect of the juvenile justice system requires young offenders to pay for their own prosecution" http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/05/juvenile-justice-fees/362083/May 22 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com | Some Kids Get Charged Twice for One Crime - Nishat Kurwa - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/hcykb ]May 22 05:28
schestowitz__"“Don’t be committing crimes, and you won’t owe any money.” That would be fine if justice were equal for everyone and there were no people #toobigtojail"May 22 05:29
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126828May 22 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "$13 million for taking away his freedom for the past three years." http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9248471/AT_T_hacker_wants_government_to_pay_him_13M happens here in #uk alsoMay 22 05:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworld.com | AT&T hacker wants government to pay him $13M - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/hcyki ]May 22 05:30
schestowitz__"Yeah, too bad the "greatest patriots of our generation" he cites in his crazy-person rant are Timothy McVeigh, Andrew Joseph Stack, and Marvin Heemeyer. It's people like weev that make legitimate anti-authoritarians look like complete psychos. Blowing up buildings, crashing a plane into a building, and bulldozing an entire town does not necessarily a "patriot" make. My question is was he this crazy before he spent time in solitary May 22 05:30
schestowitz__or after, my instinct is he admired those whackjobs before but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the solitary that inspired him to find new "patriots" to look up to."May 22 05:30
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126792May 22 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Wikileaks and #TheIntercept clash over #censorship - spot the real media hero http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/beerfiles/64167-wikileaks-and-the-intercept-clash-over-censorship-spot-the-real-media-heroMay 22 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itwire.com | iTWire - Wikileaks and The Intercept clash over censorship - spot the real media hero [ http://ur1.ca/hcykm ]May 22 05:31
schestowitz__"I too wish to know the identity of the second nation in the report but there are problems with this analysis. For one, Greenwald was not "lauded and feted as a heroic, fearless journalist" iTWire suggests. Perhaps they should revisit the response of other journalists to his early reports. Technically he can't even call himself a Pulitzer-winning journalist because it's shared with the Guardian and the other reporters. Secondly, May 22 05:31
schestowitz__Wikileaks and Julian Assange himself collaborated with media outlets to redact the vast majority of the Cablegate leaks so I don't know where he nor iTWire get off for making this into a farcical story of "publishing without fear nor favour versus voluntary censorship" as Wikileaks and Assange employed literally the exact same kind of self-censorship. Am I the only one not experience collective amnesia at the moment?"/May 22 05:31
schestowitz__A lot has been changed (revised) in wikileaks history as the press went along. There is still an attempt to paint Snowden leaks as espionage by Russia, too.May 22 05:32
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469339055377743872May 22 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz my question is did @CNETNews over exaggerate story? I just logged into #ebay, nowhere do they ask me to change my password :/May 22 05:52
schestowitz__maybe not yetMay 22 05:52
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469339527165665280May 22 05:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: RT @schestowitz: What's going on with Foresight Linux? http://t.co/mgQ1hQyUoO - #foresight & red hat? I remember doing packages rpath styleMay 22 05:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> forums.scotsnewsletter.com | What's going on with Foresight Linux? - Bruno's All Things Linux - Scot's Newsletter ForumsMay 22 05:55
schestowitz__I haven't heard of rPath for years, I think they detached themselves from Red HatMay 22 05:56
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469340488256876544May 22 06:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz they did that years ago, when I tried to get a job with them actually. the stayed with the rhel stable releases, that's allMay 22 06:01
schestowitz__I think, IIRC, that they were getting cosy with Novell/SUSE at one pointMay 22 06:01
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469342029873311745May 22 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz yeah, but nothing happened because of that. coziness was nothing more than rumor thanMay 22 06:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Blue Pup Distro: Pride of the Puppy Linux Litter | Tux MachinesMay 22 06:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tehnoetic wireless USB adapter nowMay 22 06:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tehnoetic wireless USB adapter now FSF-certified to respect your freedom | Tux MachinesMay 22 06:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Silent Circle secures $30 million in funding to expand Blackphone production | Tux MachinesMay 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue PupMay 22 07:55
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/tehowe/status/469371787453931520May 22 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tehowe: RT @schestowitz: Todd giving info to Huawei, dead. Hastings preparing expose about CIA director, dead. Kelly challenging MI5 lies, dead ...May 22 08:02
schestowitz__http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/05/20/greenwald-washington-post-suppressed-foreign-countries-under-nsa-eavesdropping-program/May 22 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Greenwald: Washington Post ‘suppressed’ foreign countries under NSA eavesdropping program [ http://ur1.ca/hcz73 ]May 22 08:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue PupMay 22 08:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue Pup | Tux MachinesMay 22 08:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A settlement between Apple and Samsung may beMay 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines                 on the horizon http://t.co/g25p9fS173May 22 09:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A settlement between Apple and Samsung may be on the horizon | Tux MachinesMay 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Akregator - Get your daily Linux fix using theMay 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines                 premier KDE RSS Feed ReaderMay 22 09:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Akregator - Get your daily Linux fix using the premier KDE RSS Feed Reader | Tux MachinesMay 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenChrome: There's Apparently Not Much LeftMay 22 09:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenChrome: There's Apparently Not Much Left | Tux MachinesMay 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Other Ways To Optimize Your Linux Battery LifeMay 22 09:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Other Ways To Optimize Your Linux Battery Life | Tux MachinesMay 22 09:05
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schestowitz__http://www.ecnmag.com/news/2014/05/illinois-receives-21-million-nsa-help-advance-security-cyber-systems\May 22 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ecnmag.com | News | Electronic Component News [ http://ur1.ca/hczif ]May 22 09:18
schestowitz__http://www.ecnmag.com/news/2014/05/illinois-receives-21-million-nsa-help-advance-security-cyber-systemsMay 22 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ecnmag.com | Illinois receives $2.1 million from NSA to help advance security of cyber systems [ http://ur1.ca/hczig ]May 22 09:18
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126474May 22 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Android-x86 4.4-RC2 (KitKat-x86) http://www.android-x86.org/releases/releasenote-4-4-rc2May 22 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.android-x86.org | ReleaseNote 4.4-RC2 - Android-x86 - Porting Android to x86 [ http://ur1.ca/hczl1 ]May 22 09:39
schestowitz__"Thanks for the post. Going to update now."May 22 09:39
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4127026May 22 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux: Best desktop distros for newbies http://www.networkworld.com/slideshow/153439/linux-best-desktop-distros-for-newbies.html #gnu #linuxMay 22 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.networkworld.com | Linux: Best desktop distros for newbies - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/hczlh ]May 22 09:41
schestowitz__"Why are there some distro's in that list that are not for newbs? Where is Zorin OS? Trisquel is indeed a very nice distro although I kinda miss the root-account."May 22 09:41
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4129010May 22 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When the probability of one's desire to live vastly greater than another person's willingness to kill one, serious probes needed.May 22 09:41
schestowitz__"This sentence appears to me as a mal-formed formula. Kindly rephrase…."May 22 09:41
schestowitz__if someone is wanted as "dead" by many and not by oneself, then it's likely that the death is not suicideMay 22 09:42
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4129089May 22 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Assassination of "white" people in #drone strikes not new. #nz and #asutralia recently confirmed this. Scope is expanding.May 22 09:43
schestowitz__"Link?"May 22 09:43
schestowitz__http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/04/22/an-australian-killed-to-the-studied-indifference-of-his-government/May 22 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crikey.com.au | Drone killing of Christopher Harvard in Yemen | Crikey [ http://ur1.ca/hczlp ]May 22 09:44
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4129010May 22 09:47
schestowitz__"Oh. A propos of what, exactly ?"May 22 09:47
schestowitz__http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20140522_U_S__sends_80_U_S_troops_to_Chad_seeking_abducted_girls.htmlMay 22 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.philly.com | U.S. sends troops to Chad in hunt for Nigerian girls [ http://ur1.ca/hczth ]May 22 10:39
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/msgbi/status/469417869076602880May 22 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@msgbi: @schestowitz @TeraEuro droMay 22 11:09
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/RobDuncan2000/status/469416022156382208May 22 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RobDuncan2000: @schestowitz @ioerror Thats No way to run a business. Dont ya know?May 22 11:09
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/RobDuncan2000/status/469415858314280960May 22 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RobDuncan2000: @schestowitz @ioerror Hey now. Hey, hey, hey... Ya trying to ruin the bankster war debt profit plan by letting terrorist supply run low? Eh?May 22 11:09
Sosumiand thai military just just couped the governmentMay 22 11:16
Sosumibut for the folks that think that was goodMay 22 11:17
SosumiwellMay 22 11:17
Sosumimilitary rule usually is worse than civilian ruleMay 22 11:18
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469425779181625344 https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469425871976431616 https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469426323275120641May 22 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: [cf MEK] RT @schestowitz: Obama et al.: we don't negotiate with terrorists, we invite them to our house http://t.co/Ob06BHTZg9May 22 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.newsweek.com | May 22 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz: #cia staff angry at #whitehouse for putting an end to fake #polio vaccinations http://t.co/15HSKhQginMay 22 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.abc.net.au | The World Today - Fmr CIA spy criticises US policy to ban use of vaccination programs as cover for spy operations 21/05/2014May 22 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz: Too much media attention? #cia calls off shipment of 70,000 assault rifles to terrorists in #syria http://t.co/xUhfxSLhTpMay 22 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.worldtribune.com | Report: CIA blocked U.S. group's effort to arm Syrian rebels - World Tribune | World TribuneMay 22 11:40
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/ebay-buryies-its-own-advisory-to-change-passwords-following-database-hack/May 22 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | eBay buries its own advisory to change passwords following database hack | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hd069 ]May 22 11:50
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/juan_ma56/status/469431950621814784May 22 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@juan_ma56: @schestowitz @masterv_12 Quite natural a *revolting* door between CIA & one of its mediatic cheerlearders for NATO's "Humanitarian Wars"May 22 12:03
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/469431792735244288]May 22 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @jmcest @schestowitz it was never a credible organizationMay 22 12:03
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469430439200194560May 22 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz: Stop revolving door between Human Rights Watch and the #CIA http://t.co/Q7OlgmkvQz discrediting #hrwMay 22 12:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Users Can Now Play Windows Games on SteamMay 22 12:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Users Can Now Play Windows Games on Steam with In-Home Streaming | Tux MachinesMay 22 12:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDBUS Is Still Outstanding, Not Part Of TheMay 22 12:46
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4130025May 22 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Akregator - Get your daily Linux fix using the premier KDE RSS Feed Reader http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/05/akregator-get-your-daily-linux-fix.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+everydaylinuxuser%2FWLlg+%28Everyday+Linux+User%29May 22 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.everydaylinuxuser.com | Akregator - Get your daily Linux fix using the premier KDE RSS Feed Reader « Everyday Linux User [ http://ur1.ca/hd195 ]May 22 16:09
schestowitz__"It's a shame the "premier KDE RSS Feed Reader" wasn't that good last time I checked. Personally I'd recommend either Tiny Tiny RSS or Newsblur (both FOSS, web based and more featured)"May 22 16:09
abeNd-orgmost people i know that were shoved off the google reader ship swam over to feedlyMay 22 16:11
MinceR:>May 22 16:12
MinceRi'm using liferea and designing my own (locally hosted) feed reader :>May 22 16:12
abeNd-orgyea, i dont have the time/resources/friendly isp to host my ownMay 22 16:13
MinceRi mean, it would be a webapp hosted on the client machine where the web browser that's using it runs :>May 22 16:17
MinceRthen again, if i seriously move to dillo (or another lightweight browser), i might add a non-webapp optionMay 22 16:17
abeNd-orgi already have enough going on with my work laptopMay 22 16:18
abeNd-orgplus i like having the mobile apps on my devices when my laptop isnt aroundMay 22 16:18
MinceR:)May 22 16:18
MinceRi could connect from the tablet to the laptop :>May 22 16:18
abeNd-orgmy laptop isnt always out & turned on, sometimes its sitting in my bagMay 22 16:20
MinceRwell, a rooted tablet could run the server itselfMay 22 16:21
MinceRthough that might not be the best of ideasMay 22 16:21
MinceRi'm not sure how well the eMMC or microSD card would handle that many writesMay 22 16:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     RawTherapee 4.1 Is a Complex and FreeMay 22 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Alternative to Adobe's LightroomMay 22 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/G6B0oO3AlhMay 22 16:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RawTherapee 4.1 Is a Complex and Free Alternative to Adobe's Lightroom | Tux MachinesMay 22 16:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE's Risky Gamble on New InterfaceMay 22 16:32
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DaemonFCmsb_, So I've started drinking water from those vending machines after the "there's shit in your water but we didn't tell you for a week" ordeal.May 22 19:24
DaemonFCThe reverse osmosis, carbon filter, UV sterilization system...May 22 19:24
msb_ Maybe that's what made you sick.May 22 19:25
msb_You can get a water distiller for $160, which distills a gallon of water in about 4 hours at a cost of about 40 cents for electricity.  Takes out everything. ans sterilizes too.May 22 19:26
msb_ans -> andMay 22 19:26
msb_Also takes out fluoride, which is very toxic.May 22 19:27
DaemonFCmsb_, I'd assume that the reverse osmosis system removes most of the fluoride anyway.May 22 19:33
DaemonFCAccording to my total dissolved solids readings, the tap water here rates about 400 on most of the samples I've taken.May 22 19:33
DaemonFCThe stuff out of the water vending machine at Walmart scored 17, Kroger North was 15, Kroger South was 29.May 22 19:34
DaemonFCSo, reverse osmosis does a pretty good job, it seems.May 22 19:34
msb_DaemonFC: Hard to say.  If the RO membrane has a pinhole, all bets are off.  But the distiller is under your control and takes out everything.May 22 19:35
DaemonFCThose are very effective filters, and they last for years. They backflush themselves to get rid of the crap they filtered out, so they're self-cleaning for the most part.May 22 19:35
DaemonFCThey probably only need to replace the filter about every year or so....May 22 19:35
DaemonFC(commercial vending machine, lots of use)May 22 19:35
DaemonFCWell, I'll just keep using the vending machine at Walmart or Kroger North.May 22 19:36
msb_Like the weird surgeon said, "Suture self."  I prefer not to trust corporations.May 22 19:36
DaemonFCIt seems to get rid of a little over 95% of the total dissolved solids.May 22 19:36
DaemonFCThat's not bad.May 22 19:37
DaemonFCThat can be anything though, really.May 22 19:37
DaemonFCMostly calcium, dirt, and rust and maybe a little lead from old decaying water pipes.May 22 19:37
msb_Fluoride is a very small molecule (single atom ion, really), so hard to get rid of.May 22 19:38
DaemonFCThe last time the city did a major overhaul of the water delivery system here was in the 1970s.May 22 19:38
DaemonFCSo it's probably not looking too good.May 22 19:38
msb_I shower in tapwater, but I sure wouldn't drink it.May 22 19:38
msb_The distiller has no membranes to trust.May 22 19:39
DaemonFCMy city doesn't fluoridate. There's so much farm runoff that the water has more than the government requires.May 22 19:39
msb_You just clean the scale out of the boiler once a week.May 22 19:40
DaemonFCSaves them about $50,000 a year.May 22 19:40
msb_Wonderful.  Lowers everyone's IQ and makes them obedient.May 22 19:40
DaemonFCFactory farms are basically allowed to cause as much environmental damage as they want in Indiana.May 22 19:40
MinceRabeNd-org: indeed.May 22 19:40
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Sosumithai constitution suspended nowMay 22 19:48
Sosumias for crapple, they can't even implement the system clock rightMay 22 19:49
Sosumiwith trashcan users saying their machines are always 2 min forward in timeMay 22 19:50
msb_I still want to find the pix of the naked guy writhing with the trashcan in bed!May 22 19:51
DaemonFCApple alone avoids paying $2.8 billion in federal taxes alone each year, not counting state taxes. Their headquarters is in California, but they avoid California taxes by registering a small office in Nevada as their "official headquarters". With this money, they stash it in Luxembourg, a tax haven, where they use it to buy US government debt, which pays them interest on the taxes they avoided. It's estimated that Apple now owns over $100 biMay 22 20:36
DaemonFCllion of interest-bearing US government debt. About 10% as much as the government of China. Apple's CEO, Tim Cook, said that "It's no Apple's problem to fix America's problems", and of course he was referring to the unpaid taxes and all of the jobs that Apple outsourced to third world countries. Apple shut down their last plant building Mac computers in 2002. The jobs paid over $12 an hour in 2002 dollars. They recently brought a few back toMay 22 20:36
DaemonFC assemble their $10,000 Mac Pros. The jobs pay about $9. When you buy an iPhone, only 6% of the money stays in the US. It creates very few jobs in the US, and most of them are lousy jobs. Most of the jobs created are high tech jobs in Europe (largely Germany), which fund advanced college education for their citizens as a social benefit, and assembly operations in China. Apple is one of the most socially irresponsible companies in tech. TheirMay 22 20:36
DaemonFC assembly factories in China usually have several workers committing suicide every day to escape 70+ hour work weeks with unpaid overtime, where the company docks most of their pay for bad food and lice-infested overcrowded dorms. Apple was also a pioneer in convincing people that they don't need freedom if they call the computer a phone. Apple devices don't allow the user the freedom to install non-Apple approved software. This allows priceMay 22 20:36
DaemonFC fixing, censorship, digital restrictions management, and other forms of anti-customer abuse. The Department of Justice tried investigating this, but Apple paid off politicians like Obama, and the investigation is basically going nowhere now, just like what happened in US v. Microsoft. https://stallman.org/appleMay 22 20:36
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DaemonFCPosted that to Facebook....May 22 20:36
Sosumimsb_, that was probably the most disgusting I've ever seen on the internetMay 22 20:50
Sosumi*thingMay 22 20:50
Sosumiso lets keep it buriedMay 22 20:50
msb_Sosumi: A. You must lead a very sheltered life.  B. It was a disgusting thing done by Apple, so it should not be buried.May 22 20:52
DaemonFCmsb_, The figures I see suggest that reverse osmosis gets out 65-90% of the fluoride from water.May 22 20:53
DaemonFCThat's certainly an improvement.May 22 20:53
DaemonFCIt depends on the actual filter though.May 22 20:53
cubezzzmsb_, I got unix version 1 runningMay 22 20:53
msb_And distillation gets out 100%May 22 20:53
Sosuminot done by appleMay 22 20:53
DaemonFCThe levels in a lot of areas are much higher than the CDC recommends.May 22 20:53
Sosumibut by a mactardMay 22 20:53
msb_cubezzz: Wow, on what?May 22 20:54
cubezzzPDP-11/20 of courseMay 22 20:54
cubezzzalas, it's merely emulated, but it runsMay 22 20:54
DaemonFCmsb_, Won't hard water cause scale problems in a distillation unit?May 22 20:55
cubezzzPDP-11/20 with 32K and a 2.5 meg hard driveMay 22 20:55
msb_DaemonFC: After every batch, you wipe out the boiler with paper towels.  Once a week, you put in 1/4 inch of water with a couple tablespoons of vitamin C and carefully let it boil as you swirl it until the scale is dissolved, then unplug it and rinse/wipe it out.  Takes about 5-10 minutes.May 22 20:57
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/pdp-11-20.jpgMay 22 20:57
msb_cubezzz: That is Damn Small Unix!May 22 20:58
msb_cubezzz: What's the emulator running on?May 22 21:01
cubezzzvector linuxMay 22 21:02
cubezzzlooks like someone found roff for unix v1May 22 21:08
cubezzzsome web pages say it was lostMay 22 21:09
cubezzzso it's using 694 blocks out of 3380May 22 21:09
cubezzzI've under-estimated what early unix can doMay 22 21:11
DaemonFCmsb_, I can buy water from the vending machine for 37 cents a gallon, and it only takes about 20 seconds to fill each bottle.May 22 21:11
msb_So you are trusting not only the corporation, but the pimple-face kid they are paying $4.50/hour to follow their instructions.May 22 21:12
DaemonFC$4.50 an hour?May 22 21:13
DaemonFCHuh?May 22 21:13
msb_Not that much, eh?May 22 21:13
DaemonFCThat's below the minimum wage.May 22 21:13
abeNd-orgwhy should you get paid anyways?May 22 21:16
abeNd-orgcompanies should just stop paying everyoneMay 22 21:16
DaemonFCLet what's left of the economy fall apart?May 22 21:16
cubezzzgo back to barter system :)May 22 21:16
DaemonFC$7.25 an hour isn't enough to live on in the cheapest part of the United States, even if you get full time hours.May 22 21:17
abeNd-orgno no, do what the democrats really want - everything is freeMay 22 21:17
DaemonFCabeNd-org, Well, the very rich want the system we had in the 1920s.May 22 21:17
DaemonFCAnd they've finally almost gotten us there.May 22 21:17
abeNd-orgfinancial collapse?May 22 21:18
DaemonFCFor everyone but themselves, sure.May 22 21:18
DaemonFCThey caused the collapse intentionally.May 22 21:18
abeNd-orgwell great, then they can pay for everythingMay 22 21:18
DaemonFCThey knew exactly how to make money and get their own money out before it all fell over.May 22 21:18
DaemonFCJust like they've done several times since then.May 22 21:18
abeNd-orgsure, if they want this that to happen, what do they actually get out of it?May 22 21:19
abeNd-orgricher yes, but everyone else out of work & dirt poor doesnt get them paid to buy goods to get the rich richerMay 22 21:19
cubezzzyou still need workers to maintain stuffMay 22 21:20
cubezzzthat never changesMay 22 21:20
abeNd-orgtheir nice mansions wont maintain themselves, even with a robot servant forceMay 22 21:20
cubezzzso anyways, the PDP-11/20 had the same amount of memory as a commodore 64May 22 21:26
cubezzz32,768 16-bit words or 65,536 8-bit bytesMay 22 21:26
cubezzzno bad for 1972!May 22 21:28
cubezzznotMay 22 21:28
DaemonFCabeNd-org, What we have here is basically a rent extraction system.May 22 21:33
DaemonFCThe rich are parasites on working people.May 22 21:33
DaemonFCBankers, landlords, payday loan companies, subprime car loans....May 22 21:34
DaemonFCcheck cashing servicesMay 22 21:34
DaemonFCThey're all enabled by bad employers like Walmart that pay, you know, about $8 an hour.May 22 21:34
DaemonFCAnd people work there as they get poorer and poorer. These people have way less than nothing.May 22 21:34
DaemonFCThe alternative is stop working and starve immediately.May 22 21:34
DaemonFCThanks to engineered high unemployment, people are coerced into working bad jobs that don't pay the bills.May 22 21:35
DaemonFCThe employer basically gets labor that costs next to nothing, where the employee and taxpayers are covering the cost of their labor.May 22 21:35
DaemonFCTo reverse this system, the minimum wage must increase, and it must be indexed to inflation.May 22 21:36
DaemonFCSome state and local governments are starting to realize that the federal minimum wage is making their state economies and tax revenues get scary-bad, and they're taking action themselves.May 22 21:36
abeNd-orgright, but the people would eventually get the point where they have absolutely nothingMay 22 21:50
abeNd-organd thats when they riot & kill the richMay 22 21:51
amarsh04that's what happens in Australia DaemonFC... schestowitz has reported on the minimum wage in Australia beforeMay 22 21:52
schestowitz__it's not too bad in the UJMay 22 21:56
schestowitz__UKMay 22 21:56
schestowitz__But there's a snagMay 22 21:56
schestowitz__some get zero-hour contractsMay 22 21:56
schestowitz__so even at minimum rate for hour they're not guaranteed minimum incomeMay 22 21:57
schestowitz__and can be counted as "employed" nonethelessMay 22 21:57
schestowitz__abeNd-org: correct, and that's why the rich are afraid and keep insecurity high, but not TOO highMay 22 21:58
schestowitz__balancing what they can get away with (giving least capital to the bottom) without leading to starvationMay 22 21:59
schestowitz__race to the bottomMay 22 21:59
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amarsh044 hour minimum on my awardMay 22 22:16
DaemonFCschestowitz, That's how most employment is in the US anyway.May 22 22:22
DaemonFCI know lots of people who work for $7.25 an hour and don't know how many hours they'll get each week.May 22 22:23
DaemonFCA friend of mine just told me that his check this week won't even cover his rent and that he's considering killing himself.May 22 22:23
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DaemonFCmsb_, Well, I have a hard time buying the water fluoridation as a public health benefit story.May 22 22:25
DaemonFCThe government in the US doesn't do anything it doesn't have to for the poor.May 22 22:25
DaemonFCAnd if fluoridation is so good for your teeth, then why do many people my age have rotting/disgusting/missing teeth?May 22 22:26
MinceRi have a hard time buying water fluoridation as a conspiracy theory story :>May 22 22:26
DaemonFCMinceR, It's a byproduct of the aluminum and fertilizer industries.May 22 22:26
MinceRstill, i think putting fluoride in toothpaste is a far better delivery methodMay 22 22:26
MinceRDaemonFC: that sounds more credible indeed.May 22 22:26
DaemonFCThey convinced the public that it could be dumped in the water to help your teeth so that they could get rid of it.May 22 22:27
msb_It was known that the Nazis had put fluoride in the prison water in WW2.May 22 22:27
DaemonFCInstead of having to pay someone to dispose of it somewhere, they get taxpayers to pay them for their waste, so it can be dumped into the water.May 22 22:27
DaemonFCAnd it's not the same fluoride that's in your toothpaste.May 22 22:27
DaemonFCThe shit they dump in the water is Hexafluorosilicic acid, not sodium fluoride, in most places.May 22 22:28
DaemonFCThe government can get hexafluorosilicic acid much cheaper, so that's what they tend to use.May 22 22:28
MinceRit is also known that hitler consumed DHMO.May 22 22:29
MinceRDaemonFC: i see.May 22 22:30
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DaemonFCMinceR, And like I said, Indiana is so contaminated that most communities don't have to add more.May 22 22:30
DaemonFCThere's so much contamination that it gets them above the level that the law requires.May 22 22:31
MinceRelmex uses amine fluride, which they say is better :>May 22 22:31
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MinceRDaemonFC: how well known/proven is it that the fluoride level in water is high due to industrial contamination, as opposed to natural (mineral?) sources?May 22 22:31
DaemonFCmsb_, Well, I think part of the reason that tap water is so disgusting is because of the bottled water companies.May 22 22:32
DaemonFCThey said it was their goal all along to make tap water something you just flush the toilet and do your dishes with.May 22 22:32
MinceR:>May 22 22:32
DaemonFCThey don't want it to be fit for drinking, else they can't sell you theirs.May 22 22:32
DaemonFCMinceR, When I get my water report from the city each year, they say they don't have to add fluoride because there's so much from fertilizer runoff in the water aquifer supplying our area anyway.May 22 22:33
MinceRicMay 22 22:33
DaemonFCThere's a copy of it on the city website.May 22 22:33
DaemonFChttp://www.huntington.in.us/egov/apps/document/center.egov?path=doc&id=2316&id2=2118&linked=0&fDD=31-104May 22 22:34
DaemonFCMinceR, Plus, the total dissolved solids level is pretty high, by tap water standards.May 22 22:35
msb_So if you think Hitler was concerned with the prisoners dental health, then you can believe the same about your govt.May 22 22:36
DaemonFCLots of lime, mostly.May 22 22:36
DaemonFCmsb_, Well, the Nazis weren't concerned about the dental health of their Jewish prisoners.May 22 22:36
DaemonFCThey were ripping their teeth out to get their gold fillings before they gassed them to death.May 22 22:36
MinceRmy government is emulating hitler but afaik they aren't fluoridating the tap water yetMay 22 22:36
DaemonFCMinceR, Maybe Hungaristan doesn't have the kind of heavy industry that produces the shit.May 22 22:37
MinceRindeedMay 22 22:37
DaemonFCSo, they'd have to buy it from somewhere.May 22 22:37
msb_So why did hitler put in the fluoride?May 22 22:37
MinceRhungaristan doesn't have much in the way of heavy industry to speak ofMay 22 22:37
DaemonFCMinceR, It sounds like one of those European states where the main industry is printing money.May 22 22:38
MinceRthe commies made sure pretty much none of the hungarian industry remained competitive, and then it was mostly shut down during the republic.May 22 22:38
MinceR:>May 22 22:38
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DaemonFCMinceR, The United States has a LOT of manufacturing left.May 22 22:38
DaemonFCDespite the outsourcing.May 22 22:38
MinceRthey'll need it too, if they continue degrading their education :>May 22 22:39
DaemonFCThe outsourcing mostly got rid of what couldn't be highly automated, and therefore required a lot of menial labor.May 22 22:39
DaemonFCActually, it's getting to the point where you need some college or vocational training to get an entry level manufacturing job.May 22 22:39
DaemonFCBut, the state and federal governments are not investing in American students.May 22 22:40
DaemonFCThey're spending all this time and money bringing in foreigners and giving them highly valued skills, so that they can go back to where they came from and compete with Americans for skilled jobs.May 22 22:40
DaemonFCAnd while they're here, OUR government is spending OUR money to give them free shit.May 22 22:41
DaemonFCfood stampsMay 22 22:41
DaemonFCpublic housingMay 22 22:41
DaemonFCeducation subsidiesMay 22 22:41
DaemonFCMinceR, It hasn't gotten as bad as the UK though.May 22 22:42
DaemonFCIf schestowitz started talking bad about the invasion, his government would arrest him for being impolite or somethingMay 22 22:42
DaemonFCBut while all this shit is going on, I know plenty of Americans who can't get help with college and end up working dead end service jobs and can't even pay their fucking rent.May 22 22:43
DaemonFCThat's why I said that half of Congress needs to be in prison, and the other half should be shot.May 22 22:43
DaemonFCIf our government was worried about us, it would be taking care of American citizens first.May 22 22:44
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DaemonFCMinceR, There are some unskilled factory and warehouse jobs left.May 22 22:45
DaemonFCThey don't pay what they used to.May 22 22:45
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DaemonFCYou know, the stuff that left in 2006-2007 paid $14 an hour, and the same kind of jobs now pay $9-10.May 22 22:45
DaemonFCAnd the money is worth far less, so there's that too.May 22 22:45
DaemonFCIt's got to be some kind of experiment to see how much shit people will take before they revolt, but they're ready for that too.May 22 22:46
DaemonFCIf it happens, most of them will just get shot.May 22 22:46
cubezzzyes, it happened to Hostess' BakeriesMay 22 22:46
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cubezzzthey downsized and reduced wagesMay 22 22:46
DaemonFCYeah, they were bought out by a hedge fund that destroyed the union and pocketed the extra profits.May 22 22:47
DaemonFCAnd they have people defending that.May 22 22:47
DaemonFC"Those people didn't deserve their paycheck!"May 22 22:47
DaemonFCRidiculous.May 22 22:47
DaemonFCEveryone that works deserves to be paid.May 22 22:47
cubezzzcertainlyMay 22 22:48
DaemonFCThe fact that they have working people attacking other working people now just shows how good they are at brainwashing.May 22 22:48
MinceRi don't agree with thatMay 22 22:48
MinceRi've seen plenty of software the makers of which don't deserve to be paid for their "work"May 22 22:48
cubezzzthat's forced down people's throatsMay 22 22:49
cubezzzyou have to be fairly savvy to avoid itMay 22 22:49
DaemonFCWell, it's just a job for a lot of them.May 22 22:49
MinceRyeah, a job that they do horribly badlyMay 22 22:49
DaemonFCI don't think that Microsoft treats most of their employees very well.May 22 22:49
cubezzzwell, you can decide whether or not to pay for windows or twinkies :)May 22 22:49
DaemonFCI've heard that it's basically a three tiered system there.May 22 22:50
cubezzzthere is a choiceMay 22 22:50
cubezzzpersonally, I said no to both :)May 22 22:50
DaemonFCThere's management and a few senior employees that get good pay and benefits.May 22 22:50
MinceRyeah, you can decide whether to pay for windows or not to buy a pc to which it is tiedMay 22 22:50
MinceRyou don't really need a computer, do you? :>May 22 22:50
DaemonFCMost are just contractors/temps.May 22 22:50
DaemonFCThey don't get much of anything, really.May 22 22:50
cubezzzMinceR, come on, you know you can buy parts and assemble a PCMay 22 22:50
MinceRnot a laptop, thoughMay 22 22:51
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cubezzzchromebook?May 22 22:51
DaemonFCI got a C720D chromebook for $145.May 22 22:51
cubezzzI mean, sure the situation is not ideal, but it's not impossible to get a laptop with linux on itMay 22 22:51
MinceRin any case, the choices are reduced to a tiny fraction of the marketMay 22 22:52
cubezzzbuy a laptop with no hard drive for example...May 22 22:52
MinceRusually with low-end specsMay 22 22:52
cubezzztrueMay 22 22:52
MinceRthey don't sell laptops with no HDD/SSD hereMay 22 22:52
cubezzzI realize it's not a perfect solution, but you can buy used laptops without a hard driveMay 22 22:53
cubezzzmany many places will sell them like that, as it's a security issueMay 22 22:53
cubezzzcomputers owned by governments or hospitals or emergency workers May 22 22:54
cubezzzused panasonic toughbooks are very commonMay 22 22:54
cubezzznew stuff, I agree, very hard to find pre-loaded with Linux or non-windowsMay 22 22:55
MinceRgnMay 22 23:04
cubezzzI can definitely remember many white box pc builders in the late 80'sMay 22 23:04
cubezzzand they wouldn't charge anything for softwareMay 22 23:04
cubezzzthey just loaded up your hard drive with copies of stuffMay 22 23:05
cubezzznowadays, I don't see the small PC builder as muchMay 22 23:05
cubezzzbut there is a massive used market nowMay 22 23:06
cubezzzalmost every computer retailer is selling refurbished machinesMay 22 23:06
cubezzzyou can get used quad core boxes nowMay 22 23:07
DaemonFCI commented on Facebook:May 23 00:13
DaemonFCSchool lunch debt. America has to be the only developed nation where children can be in debt for heavily processed agricultural surplus that is foisted on them by the government.May 23 00:13
DaemonFCmsb_, Another reason to drink distilled or reverse osmosis filtered water is the shit that hard water leaves on your teeth.May 23 00:16
DaemonFCThat's why you have to go to the dentist every six months to get your teeth cleaned. Without that hard water, once a year is fine.May 23 00:16
DaemonFCThat crap gets into your body and ends up in your saliva, and so you start getting deposits on your teeth.May 23 00:17
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magneetohi guysMay 23 00:18
magneetoI just switched to this ubuntu mother fucker and im told its not free enoughMay 23 00:48
magneetowhat distro do I need to use to rid myself of evilMay 23 00:48
msb_DaemonFC: Interesting!  I didn't know that.May 23 00:54
msb_magneeto: What were you using before?May 23 00:54
msb_magneeto: I'm not sure you *can* rid yourself of evil.  Unix and Linux are full of demons:  http://www.freebsd.org/May 23 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freebsd.org | The FreeBSD ProjectMay 23 01:05
msb_Of course, microsoft and apple are much worse.May 23 01:05
msb_Perhaps Debian GNU/Linux is blessed by Saint IGNUcius himself:  https://stallman.org/saint.html    https://stallman.org/saintignucius.jpgMay 23 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Saint IGNUcius - Richard StallmanMay 23 01:13
cubezzzhere's what FSF recommends:May 23 01:21
cubezzzhttp://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.htmlMay 23 01:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | List of Free GNU/Linux Distributions - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/4bk6 ]May 23 01:21
cubezzztrisquel is geared more to educationMay 23 01:21
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DaemonFCDebian isn't recommended because it does offer some nonfree software.May 23 02:09
DaemonFCThe FSF's guidelines say that they won't endorse a distribution that provides it in such a way that it makes it seem like it's recommended.May 23 02:10
DaemonFCSo, if Debian stopped packaging it, but someone else provided it unofficially, then that would make Debian eligible for an endorsement.May 23 02:10
DaemonFCThe key difference being is whether the distribution seems to suggest installing it or not.May 23 02:11
DaemonFCThere's no requirement that it actively prevents you from installing nonfree software.May 23 02:11
DaemonFCFedora doesn't qualify, but it is more free than Debian in the way the FSF has chosen to define it.May 23 02:12
DaemonFCFedora doesn't package nonfree software, but it does include some device firmware that comes with the Linux kernel, which is under a binary-only redistributable license.May 23 02:12
DaemonFCThey don't consider it to be software, because it doesn't run on the main CPU.May 23 02:13
DaemonFCWell, except for the CPU firmware, but that's not a big deal since your BIOS already loads nonfree firmware onto the CPU.May 23 02:13
DaemonFCAll Fedora does is tell the CPU to unload the firmware that the BIOS downloaded onto it and replace it with more up-to-date firmware, which can fix processor bugs.May 23 02:14
DaemonFCThe FSF has said that they wouldn't consider software running on these components to be software if it was burned into a ROM instead, which would effectively make it like a circuit.May 23 02:15
DaemonFCBut, then you can never fix bugs.May 23 02:15
DaemonFCYou'd end up with situations like the Pentium fdiv problem, where Intel had to recall the CPUs themselves.May 23 02:15
DaemonFCAlthough, sometimes it was possible to fix a CPU bug by putting a workaround in the operating system to prevent the CPU from entering a state where the bug would happen.May 23 02:18
DaemonFCThe Cyrix Coma Bug is a good example of that.May 23 02:18
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_coma_bugMay 23 02:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     try out the calendar app california on FedoraMay 23 03:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/uT4UUBLfguMay 23 03:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/p5VENxhVAOMay 23 03:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | try out the calendar app california on Fedora 20 | Tux MachinesMay 23 03:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Week in Techrights http://t.co/A4YVoy34GUMay 23 03:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 23 03:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CoreOS Linux distro lands on the Google CloudMay 23 03:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Platform http://t.co/U7Ks8O9BKUMay 23 03:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CoreOS Linux distro lands on the Google Cloud Platform | Tux MachinesMay 23 03:14
DaemonFC2 secs · May 23 05:32
DaemonFCSomeone that I was talking to about the satisfaction guaranteed rebates that I exploit said "Won't they catch on after a while?".May 23 05:32
DaemonFCI said "Oh, maybe, but I'll have hundreds of dollars worth of household consumables stockpiled by that point."May 23 05:32
DaemonFCEagles may soar, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines.May 23 05:32
DaemonFCBesides, who was ever really 100% satisfied with anything when they got it home? I call bullshit on these people!May 23 05:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PiCore 5.3 Linux is a 25MB operating system forMay 23 07:44
TweetTuxMachines                 the Raspberry Pi http://t.co/H1QCxADiPcMay 23 07:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Bacon Leaves Canonical, Red Hat Chief, andMay 23 07:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Witcher 2 on Sale http://t.co/LO21gLsTBMMay 23 07:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PiCore 5.3 Linux is a 25MB operating system for the Raspberry Pi | Tux MachinesMay 23 07:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qt Embedded GUI moves to Qt 5.3May 23 08:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google’s Chromecast sells more than 100k unitsMay 23 08:32
TweetTuxMachines                 in just 2 months in the UKMay 23 08:32
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/CKBF4fMe1nMay 23 08:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tiny COM runs Linux on Atmel Cortex-A5 SoCMay 23 08:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     8 Things We Want from Amazon's RumoredMay 23 08:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Smartphone http://t.co/KcF6El807wMay 23 08:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt Embedded GUI moves to Qt 5.3 | Tux MachinesMay 23 08:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Neo900 Phone Project Is Still HappeningMay 23 08:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/p1inR7VDqKMay 23 08:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/469742080625881089May 23 08:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LXLE: Yet Another Linux Distro Targeting OldMay 23 08:33
TweetTuxMachines                 PCs http://t.co/HSo4mppEftMay 23 08:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google’s Chromecast sells more than 100k units in just 2 months in the UK | Tux MachinesMay 23 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny COM runs Linux on Atmel Cortex-A5 SoC | Tux MachinesMay 23 08:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Neo900 Phone Project Is Still Happening | Tux MachinesMay 23 08:33
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MinceRgeekingsMay 23 09:34
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open Source Chief at Redhat Hit With BogusMay 23 10:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Copyright Claims http://t.co/fAXFuHQmQwMay 23 10:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Notable Penetration Test Linux distributions ofMay 23 10:11
TweetTuxMachines                 2014 http://t.co/0wp13KUD54May 23 10:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Notable Penetration Test Linux distributions of 2014 | Tux MachinesMay 23 10:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     DRM in Firefox is The End of Our DigitalMay 23 10:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Security http://t.co/o9foJ6t8VGMay 23 10:11
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TweetTuxMachines@go2n            The KDE Daily News is out!May 23 12:00
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/FKH5s4xkDq Stories via @tuxmachinesMay 23 12:00
TweetTuxMachines                 @hallowdemonlive @girljennierMay 23 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The KDE Daily NewsMay 23 12:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Should Linux be more like OS X?May 23 12:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Should Linux be more like OS X? | Tux MachinesMay 23 12:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Should Linux be more like OS X?May 23 12:00
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Sosumihttp://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g3_d855_has_a_removable_battery_and_microsd_slot-news-8596.phpMay 23 13:03
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SosumiawesomeMay 23 13:03
Sosumi32GB flash and 3 GB ramMay 23 13:04
Sosumibasically, a galaxy S5 killerMay 23 13:04
MinceReven if the s5 wasn't region locked :>May 23 13:05
Sosumiwell, that tooMay 23 13:05
msb_Black.Box.S01E05 is super wonderful!May 23 13:08
msb_PsychedelicMay 23 13:09
*TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Should Linux be more like OS X? http://t.co/DrMZrbEiBH'May 23 13:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Catalyst On Ubuntu 14.04 Linux Competes WellMay 23 13:14
TweetTuxMachines                 With Windows 8.1 http://t.co/3zd81r9gJ5May 23 13:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Catalyst On Ubuntu 14.04 Linux Competes Well With Windows 8.1 | Tux MachinesMay 23 13:14
MinceR141139  * TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Should Linux be more like OS X? http://t.co/DrMZrbEiBH'May 23 13:15
MinceRNo. Next question!May 23 13:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mark Shuttleworth Says That Ubuntu Is Now theMay 23 14:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Biggest OS in the Cloud http://t.co/kqgCR4iZCrMay 23 14:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Using LVM’s new cache featureMay 23 14:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mozilla: Publish and be DRM'd!May 23 14:11
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TweetTuxMachines@SiriusCorp      Sirius are recruiting. We are looking forMay 23 17:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LXLE 14.04 Beta Wants to Be a CompleteMay 23 17:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Replacement for Windows XP and Windows 7May 23 17:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android-x86 4.4 RC2 KitKat Is a Linux DistroMay 23 19:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     HP's $1bn 'Linux for the cloud' dream: WillMay 23 19:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Steam's In-Home Steaming Is a Wake-up Call forMay 23 19:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Windows, Linux Is Growing StrongerMay 23 19:00
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DaemonFCI was talking about all the video games coming to GNU/Linux on Facebook.May 23 20:18
DaemonFCSomeone said that GNU/Linux is a small part of the "market", so I said....May 23 20:18
DaemonFCEnough people have moved from Windows to GNU/Linux that game developers are starting to notice. The people who made the first wave of migration to GNU/Linux on the desktop still represent a small share of total computer users, but we are also the most profitable users for video game companies, because we tend to be a technical bunch that know what we're doing. May 23 20:18
DaemonFCValve noticed that many of their "Windows XP" users were actually running Steam for Windows in Wine (software) on GNU/Linux (Wine reports itself as Windows XP by default), so Valve ported Steam to GNU/Linux, along with a bunch of games.May 23 20:18
DaemonFCSo, that explains why video game companies highly prize GNU/Linux users.May 23 20:18
DaemonFCIt's like saying that a restaurant has a loyalty club that gives you a free meal every fifth time you go in there. Obviously, it benefits the people who eat there very often more than it benefits the people that hardly ever go in. So, you may only benefit 5-10% of your customers, but those are your highly loyal customers who represent 60% of your restaurant's profit.May 23 20:18
DaemonFCThere's been two big migration events to GNU/Linux. The first wave was when Windows Vista came out and it was slow, unusable garbage, even on a brand new PC. It crashed all the time, and everyone thought it was so awful that many people exercised downgrade rights to XP, or bought a copy of XP and replaced Vista with it (thus paying for Windows twice!), or made the switch to GNU/Linux, even if their favorite apps weren't there, and just made May 23 20:22
DaemonFCthe best of Wine because it was still less painful than Vista.May 23 20:22
DaemonFCAnd, that was the wave that I was in, where I got rid of Windows and just started using GNU/Linux basically all the time.May 23 20:23
DaemonFCThen Windows 7 settled everything down for a while because it fixed most of the horrible things about Vista, but now Windows 8 is causing the second migration because it's completely horrible again.May 23 20:23
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-barMay 23 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mini-bar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMay 23 20:25
DaemonFCI remember some old movie where there were a bunch of drag queens in a hotel. They started drinking all of the "brown" colored mini bottles of liquor and then refilling them by brewing tea with the complimentary teabags.May 23 20:26
DaemonFChttp://www.smarttravelasia.com/HotelTheft.htmMay 23 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smarttravelasia.com | A fun, anecdotal article on what hotel guests steal from their rooms, we look at disappearing hangers, pillows, toiletries, towels, bathrobes and even televisions, by Philippa Young, illustration by Pat Leidl, and more from Smart Travel Asia and Dancing Wolf Media. [ http://ur1.ca/hd96q ]May 23 20:29
DaemonFCI remember that mom was talking about one of her childhood friend's rich parents.May 23 20:29
DaemonFCThey would hoard ketchup packets, napkins, and straws that they got at McDonalds.May 23 20:29
DaemonFCThey had a bunch of towels with hotel names on them.May 23 20:29
DaemonFCRich people really are terrible. Millions of dollars in the bank, steals a towel and ketchup packets. WTF?May 23 20:30
DaemonFCShe said that the guy used to sit there in the kitchen filling his ketchup bottles from the restaurant packets.May 23 20:31
DaemonFCIt's like, "What are you doing with your life?".May 23 20:31
DaemonFChttp://www.punny.org/money/stealing-restaurant-condiments-its-time-to-settle-an-age-old-debate/May 23 20:33
DaemonFClolMay 23 20:33
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DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/story/148869/the_shaving_racket_--_how_are_gillette_and_schick_getting_away_with_ripoff_razorsMay 23 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org | The Shaving Racket -- How Are Gillette and Schick Getting Away with Ripoff Razors? | Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/hd9bn ]May 23 20:39
DaemonFCI didn't notice any real difference between five blade and three blade, other than the five blade costs twice as much.May 23 20:40
DaemonFCMore really, because Gillette releases these $3 off coupons. That makes the Sensor 3 $1.98 for a 4 pack, but the Fusion disposables are still $8.98 for four.May 23 20:40
DaemonFCThey put the picture of the expensive razors on the coupon, but it says "any Gillette men's razors", so they work on the Sensor 3's as well.May 23 20:41
DaemonFCI stock up whenever that coupon comes up again. May 23 20:41
DaemonFCAnd they won't admit it, but the "Simply Venus" three blade razors that are the same price as the Sensor 3, shave exactly the same.May 23 20:42
DaemonFCSo if you run out of men's razor coupons and want more, use the "women's razor" coupons too.May 23 20:42
Snowleaksangeheh both filling your own condiment bottles with free ketchup packets, and really devoted systematic coupon leveraging seems like episode of ultimate cheapskatesMay 23 20:42
DaemonFCSnowleaksange, I see people doing stupid shit all the time.May 23 20:43
DaemonFCFor some reason, everyone I know buys $5.96 toothpaste.May 23 20:43
DaemonFCI buy the 88 cent toothpaste when I have no coupons, and I get it for free every once in a while because it goes on sale, and I have a matching coupon.May 23 20:43
DaemonFCThen they're all like "I have $3 in the bank and my car is on E!".May 23 20:44
Snowleaksangehow many hours per month in coupon leveraging activity May 23 20:44
DaemonFCWell, when you go in there and pay 600% of what you have to for every little thing, that's what happens.May 23 20:44
Snowleaksangeor weekMay 23 20:44
DaemonFCI don't know. It's right down the street and I do it when I'm bored.May 23 20:45
DaemonFCI've worked it out. Sometimes I make $7-8 an hour, sometimes I make $30-40. :PMay 23 20:45
Snowleaksangeseems like could make shopping take 2x as long easilyMay 23 20:45
DaemonFCSnowleaksange, Well, there are these blogs that tell you when and where to use your coupons, but Walmart price matches all of them.May 23 20:46
Snowleaksangemaybe its still winning financially, but important to consider opportunity-cost (ie time spent)May 23 20:46
DaemonFCSo, if a $5 bottle of shampoo goes on sale for $3 at Dollar General, and you have a $2 off coupon, then it will still be $1 a bottle at Walmart.May 23 20:46
DaemonFCSo, that's how I stockpile things.May 23 20:46
DaemonFCI probably have a few years worth of everything, but it never expires, and my entire personal item budget is probably less than $1 a week.May 23 20:47
Snowleaksangehave u ever seen the show ultimate cheapskates, you can watch episodes onlineMay 23 20:47
DaemonFCExtreme Cheapskates?May 23 20:47
DaemonFCYeah, but most of that is fraudMay 23 20:47
Snowleaksangeoh yeah maybe thats itMay 23 20:47
DaemonFClike, fake couponsMay 23 20:47
DaemonFCthat's illegalMay 23 20:47
DaemonFCI don't do anything illegal.May 23 20:47
Snowleaksangei didnt think they did eitherMay 23 20:47
DaemonFCOh yeah, that episode with the 16 year old boy that filled his parents garage with soap and toilet paper and laundry detergent and stuff.May 23 20:48
DaemonFCLike thousands of dollars worth.May 23 20:48
SnowleaksangelolMay 23 20:48
DaemonFCThey had him on an episode. He went and bought $500 worth of Quilted Northern toilet paper at the grocery store.May 23 20:48
Snowleaksangethats like what would happen if you turned evilMay 23 20:48
DaemonFCThe coupons wouldn't scan, but a manager overrode the computer because he figured it was legit because it was on a TV show.May 23 20:49
DaemonFCThen the manufacturer said the coupons were fake and wouldn't redeem them, so the store contacted the district attorney.May 23 20:49
DaemonFCThe kid's mother ended up having to go into the store and pay hundreds of dollars.May 23 20:49
MinceRthe extreme expensiveskateMay 23 20:49
Snowleaksangeyou would personally bankrupt the local walmart with illegal coupon use and be first fake coupon peddler on FBIs most wanted listMay 23 20:50
DaemonFChttp://list25.com/the-25-biggest-ways-you-are-being-ripped-off/May 23 20:51
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DaemonFCThe oil change ripoff reminds me of what Monro does.May 23 20:51
DaemonFCThey have a $17.99 oil change coupon that you can use if it's Wednesday.May 23 20:51
DaemonFCBut you get in there, and they add "fees" to it, and you pay closer to $30.May 23 20:52
DaemonFCWalmart is $26.88.May 23 20:52
DaemonFCBut the shop that I go to all the time will do one for $20.May 23 20:52
DaemonFCSo I go to Walmart for tires, but the local shop for an oil change.May 23 20:52
Snowleaksangegoing back to the oppotunity cost thing, the problem i have with using coupons is youre essentially saying to yourself, my time is not worth 1000$ an hourMay 23 20:52
Snowleaksangemaybe thats just realism but im not prepared to accept itMay 23 20:53
MinceR+May 23 20:54
Snowleaksange1000$ a little much but what it its 20$May 23 20:56
Snowleaksangebasically coupon leveraging is a job that pays a salaryMay 23 20:57
Snowleaksangehow much $/hr is key qMay 23 20:57
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Snowleaksangealso that you dont know off top of your head leads me to guess your motivation might actaully related to experiencing the psychological state of "saving"May 23 20:59
Snowleaksangerather than quantitative cost normalized benefitMay 23 20:59
DaemonFCNo, I don't use them for anything I wouldn't otherwise buy.May 23 21:00
DaemonFCAnd there's a lot of times where the coupon makes no difference at all, because it's not high value enough to make a cheaper product less desirable.May 23 21:01
Snowleaksangeso many sweet classes on coursera.orgMay 23 21:03
Snowleaksangeim signing up for moreMay 23 21:03
DaemonFCOF course, you can get four three blade razors from Dollar Tree for $1, but they're no good.May 23 21:04
Snowleaksangelot of them exact same classes taught in expen$sive graduate programMay 23 21:04
Snowleaksangefor free.  so thats a decent couponMay 23 21:04
DaemonFCI made that mistake once. The razors were all dull to start with.May 23 21:04
DaemonFCSo, you save nothing if the product is unusable. :)May 23 21:04
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MinceRhttp://www.dailytech.com/Fiat+CEO+Dont+Buy+a+500e+EV+Youre+Costing+Me+14000+Each/article34951.htmMay 23 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailytech.com | DailyTech - Fiat CEO: Don’t Buy a 500e EV, You’re Costing Me $14,000 EachMay 23 21:37
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah, they wouldn't have to build the Ford Focus if they'd stop making gas guzzling SUVs that get 10 miles a gallon.May 23 21:40
DaemonFCJust saying....May 23 21:40
MinceR:>May 23 21:40
MinceRthey don't have to build anything :>May 23 21:40
DaemonFCCAFE is Corporate AVERAGE Fuel Economy. When you have 10 mpg SUVs and the CAFE standard is 22.5 mpg, you have to make some Ford Focuses May 23 21:41
MinceRfoci :>May 23 21:41
DaemonFCMinceR, If they improve their gas mileage on the SUVs, they won't have to make as many cheap little cars to compensate for that.May 23 21:41
DaemonFCThe CAFE standard is going up because gas prices have gone up.May 23 21:42
DaemonFCThe more gasoline you have to sell, the higher the price for a gallon of it is going to be.May 23 21:42
DaemonFCLimited supply meets heavy demand, and prices go up.May 23 21:42
DaemonFCSo, when people drive a gas hog, they're costing everyone that drives anything more money.May 23 21:43
DaemonFCIt's just basic economics.May 23 21:43
DaemonFCThe SUV owners should be glad that there are people driving reasonable vehicles, or they'd be paying $6-7 a gallon for their SUVs.May 23 21:43
DaemonFCThey've externalizing the cost of their SUV onto other people, and they're basically getting a huge subsidy.May 23 21:44
DaemonFCThe downside of using less gas is that states are raising their gas taxes again, because the highway funds are drying up.May 23 21:44
MinceRit's a conspiracy!May 23 21:44
abeNd-org& adding toll roads to already existing roads....May 23 21:45
DaemonFCabeNd-org, Yeah, the third phase of the I-69 expansion is a "public private partnership".May 23 21:46
abeNd-orghah i69 - michigan?May 23 21:47
DaemonFCIn other words, the state is making payments on it which are more expensive than if it just issued bonds.May 23 21:47
DaemonFCIndiana.May 23 21:47
abeNd-orgthey have an exit to a street named "big beaver road" off i69 in michiganMay 23 21:47
MinceR:>May 23 21:47
abeNd-orgyea, they are doing a lot of the public private partnership here in TX tooMay 23 21:56
abeNd-orgthe only public thing about it is the drivers paying for it & all the money going privateMay 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source use may rise where proprietaryMay 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines                 systems cannot lower costsMay 23 21:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NHS told: Make patient record systems openMay 23 21:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Browsers will Flash Linux into the future orMay 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines                 drag it into the past http://t.co/NYdhoGlhqUMay 23 21:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD “Bald Eagle” APUs target high-end embeddedMay 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/J18yZxdYnlMay 23 21:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Netrunner 14 RC1 Is Based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS,May 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines                 but It Looks Much Better http://t.co/H0OofDcxKWMay 23 21:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source use may rise where proprietary systems cannot lower costs | Tux MachinesMay 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     ClearOS 6.6 Beta 1 ReleasedMay 23 21:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NHS told: Make patient record systems open source | Tux MachinesMay 23 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Browsers will Flash Linux into the future or drag it into the past | Tux MachinesMay 23 21:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     With Valve On Linux, Has LGP Lost AllMay 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Relevance? http://t.co/92fpmQQclTMay 23 22:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GTK+ Gestures Support MergedMay 23 22:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Test driving NVIDIA GRID Workspace (WindowsMay 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines                 client). Linux client is in the worksMay 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/VwHIzENipxMay 23 22:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | With Valve On Linux, Has LGP Lost All Relevance? | Tux MachinesMay 23 22:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Test driving NVIDIA GRID Workspace (Windows client). Linux client is in the works | Tux MachinesMay 23 22:35
DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/labor/6-bad-things-have-happened-greedy-walmart-recentlyMay 23 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org | 6 Bad Things That Have Happened to Greedy Walmart Recently | Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/hdan5 ]May 23 23:04
DaemonFCMinceR, I rather liked Paul Volcker's assessment of the US dollar some years ago.May 23 23:42
DaemonFCHe said that the dollar was depreciating, but that it didn't matter, because other major currencies would have to gain against it significantly to replace it, and that wasn't going to happen in the foreseeable future.May 23 23:43
DaemonFCBasically, "Yeah, we're bad, but they're worse."May 23 23:43
DaemonFCschestowitz__, You can't tell anyone who you voted for in the UK?May 23 23:46
DaemonFCThat's kind of stupid.May 23 23:47
DaemonFC2 secs · May 23 23:50
DaemonFCThere's an "endangered species chocolate bar" at Kroger now, which says they'll donate some of the profits to protecting endangered species.May 23 23:50
DaemonFCI picked it up and joked "Real endangered species in every bite!".May 23 23:50
MinceR:>May 23 23:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux-based eyewear tracks eye movementsMay 23 23:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tux Machines Turning 10 on June 10thMay 23 23:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How FOSS Brought New Life To My OnceMay 23 23:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How FOSS Brought New Life To My Once Linux-Unfriendly Laptop | Tux MachinesMay 23 23:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     My first patch http://t.co/SjLTa7F8hWMay 24 01:12
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MinceRgnMay 24 02:02
DaemonFCmsb_, According to Dr. Mercola, reverse osmosis removes 90% of the fluoride.May 24 02:29
DaemonFCIf that's true, then that would bring down my water's level to about 0.14 ppm instead of 1.4 ppm.May 24 02:30
msb_DaemonFC: That would depend on the exact type of RO membrane.  Besides, distillation removes all of it.May 24 02:30
DaemonFCI don't question that sodium fluoride in toothpaste has proven benefits, but that's different.May 24 02:30
DaemonFCAnd you're applying it directly to the teeth and then rinsing and spitting most of it back out.May 24 02:30
DaemonFCThere's no real evidence that putting it in the water provides more benefits than brushing properly, three times a day, with toothpaste.May 24 02:31
DaemonFCmsb_, I don't see any reason to worry about removing all of it.May 24 02:32
msb_I like my pineal gland.  Fluoride destroys it.May 24 02:32
DaemonFCThe problem seems to be that beyond a certain level, it has negative effects.May 24 02:32
DaemonFCThe state of Indiana cut the required amount in half some years back.May 24 02:32
DaemonFCBecause people's teeth were turning brown because of too much in the water.May 24 02:33
DaemonFCThe way Indiana is set up is in such a way where the state government makes most local decisions.May 24 02:33
DaemonFCThere's no ability for local governments to decide to stop fluoridating the water. It's a state law.May 24 02:33
DaemonFCSo, ratepayers in those communities have to pay to add the fluoride to get the water up to the minimum legal level.May 24 02:34
DaemonFCmsb_, California is much different.May 24 02:34
DaemonFCYou guys have voter initiatives and stuff. If your state government is not doing what you want it to, you can overrule it and create laws without their approval.May 24 02:35
DaemonFCWe don't have that in Indiana, but we need it.May 24 02:35
cubezzzmsg_, wrote my first fortran program for Unix v5May 24 02:35
cubezzzmsb_, ratherMay 24 02:35
DaemonFCIndiana still has a bunch of "war on drugs" assholes, so even with 56% approval for decriminalizing marijuana possession among Indiana citizens, that's going nowhere.May 24 02:36
DaemonFCYou'd think if 56% of the public wants rid of a law, that the law should be repealed.May 24 02:36
DaemonFCI mean, usually.May 24 02:36
DaemonFCWhen there's something that shouldn't be up for a vote, I think it should go into the constitution, and that *that* should be harder to modify.May 24 02:37
DaemonFCIndiana is basically a very corporate government.May 24 02:37
msb_cubezzz: Congrats!May 24 02:37
DaemonFCThe Koch brothers and other wealthy industrialists run the state.May 24 02:38
DaemonFCThey get whatever they want.May 24 02:38
msb_cubezzz: I once wrote a Fortran program that printed out its own source code.May 24 02:39
DaemonFCmsb_, I'd buy a distillation unit, but it's a big up front expense. It seems to take a long time to produce a small amount of water.May 24 02:39
DaemonFCThere's lime scale issues that I'm sure would be just terrible with our tap water.May 24 02:39
cubezzzmsb_, a quine you mean?May 24 02:39
DaemonFCReverse osmosis is a pretty ingenious system. Pretty much all of that crap just gets backflushed into the sewer.May 24 02:40
DaemonFC:)May 24 02:40
msb_cubezzz: Is that what such a program is called?May 24 02:40
cubezzza quine is a computer program which takes no input and produces a copy of its own source code as outputMay 24 02:40
cubezzzmsb_, there was a tiny bit of fortran source code in Unix v1May 24 02:43
cubezzzI was able to adapt it to Unix v5 & v6May 24 02:43
msb_DaemonFC: $160, 4hr/gallon, clean it as necessary.  No worries about a pinhole in the RO membrane, or how well the corporation is maintaining the RO machine.  But suit yourself.May 24 02:45
msb_DaemonFC: Use ascorbic or citric acid to dissolve the scale.  Vinegar will damage the seal.May 24 02:46
msb_I used to write Fortran-callable subroutines to connect flying-spot scanner, nuclear modules, to PDP6/10 and Eclipse.May 24 02:48
cubezzzI didn't realize you worked on PDP-6May 24 02:48
msb_Yep.May 24 02:48
cubezzzdo you have any program listings from that era?May 24 02:49
msb_Once made an emitter-coupled logic circuit to interface with a nuclear module (used for photon-counting in biology).May 24 02:49
msb_cubezzz: Not that I'd know where to find.May 24 02:50
cubezzzok, yeah I think you mentioned that beforeMay 24 02:50
cubezzzit was a pretty rare machine from what I understandMay 24 02:50
msb_Had a live-in technician.  Once showed me a 2-foot square PC board -- one bit of the accumulator.May 24 02:52
cubezzzyes, I hear it was tempermental :)May 24 02:53
msb_It was connected via a parallel cable to a LINC or PDP8 in a lab in the basement.  Six floors!May 24 02:55
msb_Home-made transistor drivers for each bit.  Insane!May 24 02:55
msb_I guess it was before ethernet.May 24 02:55
cubezzzso for removable media it had... paper tape?May 24 02:56
msb_Or maybe the cable went up to a PDP8 next to the PDP6.May 24 02:56
msb_DecTapesMay 24 02:56
msb_and magtapes.May 24 02:56
msb_Tape-eating magtapes.May 24 02:57
cubezzzwell it would be the drives that ate the tapes surely :)May 24 02:58
msb_Stretched them, more precisely.May 24 02:58
cubezzzok, I thought I saw a paper tape reader in the pictureMay 24 02:58
msb_I'm sure there was one, for booting.May 24 02:58
msb_With a plastic boot-tape for long life.May 24 02:59
msb_They did experiments with chlorophyll, where the reaction was started by a nanosecond pulse from a Q-switched ruby laser.  May 24 03:01
msb_The measurement light for it was a xenon flashlamp powered by a multiple pi-section tunable delay line charged to a KV or more.  Adjust the cores to get a flat light pulse.May 24 03:02
msb_The measure signal was recorded on a polaroid camera on a 450 MHz oscilloscope.  Nothing could digitize that fast.May 24 03:03
msb_Then a flying-spot scanner -- oscilloscope, big lens, photomultiplier tube in a dark box -- would scan the photograph under PDP8 control, the result read in by a driver in Fortran.May 24 03:05
msb_Fun, eh?May 24 03:05
cubezzza lot of improvising it seems likeMay 24 03:07
cubezzzyeah, I was talking to another guy about early unix posters which were created by phototypesettingMay 24 03:08
cubezzzinteresting stuffMay 24 03:09
msb_cubezzz: Improvising?  How else to do it?May 24 03:09
cubezzzok, prototyping then :)May 24 03:09
cubezzzI don't know how else it could be done in that time periodMay 24 03:09
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britton_Chance  Director of the multi-lab foundation.May 24 03:10
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msb_We made it work!May 24 03:10
cubezzzwell I would say that early work in any field involves some experimentationMay 24 03:11
cubezzzyou can't just read a book and do itMay 24 03:11
msb_I'm very proud of that flat-pulse xenon flasher.May 24 03:11
cubezzzIBM had something called an optical mark page readerMay 24 03:12
cubezzzand a display copierMay 24 03:12
cubezzzthat was mid-60sMay 24 03:12
cubezzzsure, you should be proud :)May 24 03:12
msb_We used a lot of photomultiplier tubes.May 24 03:13
msb_The only thing that could measure biochemical reactions that fast was light.May 24 03:13
cubezzzI can only imagine the stories you heard from guys one generation earlier than youMay 24 03:13
*cubezzz nodsMay 24 03:14
cubezzzso what did you guys use for an OS for the PDP-6?May 24 03:14
cubezzzI know a bit about PDP-7, but not the PDP-6May 24 03:15
msb_I worked on a microspectrophotometer.  Sent monochromatic reference and measure light beams through a microscope (with quartz optics).  Could measure reactions in the nucleus of a cell, compensated by a reference path through the cytoplasm.  Beams switched by a mechanical chopper.May 24 03:15
msb_I don't remember what the OS was called.May 24 03:17
msb_On the teletype terminal, they all looked the same.  8^)May 24 03:18
msb_The PDP6 may have used discrete transistor logic.  Why the PC boards were so big.May 24 03:19
msb_I remember there were pulse transformers in those circuits.May 24 03:20
cubezzzevidently there are no surviving PDP-6's May 24 03:20
cubezzzwhich doesn't surprise meMay 24 03:21
msb_DEC folks were generally nice to work with.May 24 03:22
cubezzznot like Microsoft eh? :)May 24 03:22
msb_Gack!May 24 03:22
cubezzzactually, you experienced the pre-Microsoft era, I'm a bit jealousMay 24 03:23
msb_Not that I've talked to anyone from MS for 14 years, except their stooges on Usenet.May 24 03:23
cubezzzwell I have... I talked to folks from Microsoft CanadaMay 24 03:23
cubezzzSCO was more friendlyMay 24 03:24
cubezzzof course this was the original SCOMay 24 03:24
msb_I live about 50 miles N of Santa Cruz.May 24 03:25
cubezzzyou ever use SCO Xenix?May 24 03:25
msb_Nah.May 24 03:25
msb_Maybe.  I've done a lot of little consulting jobs.May 24 03:25
cubezzzXenix was sort of a closed-source Unix v7May 24 03:26
cubezzzso re-discovering Unix v7 is like a breath of fresh air after using Xenix :)May 24 03:26
msb_I never really got into the differences among various Unices.May 24 03:27
cubezzzwell everything diverged from Unix v7, so I think it's worth learning aboutMay 24 03:28
msb_Sun had one that ran on a 386 machine, used that at Stanford.  Funky,May 24 03:28
cubezzzthat could be why a lot of people don't really like UnixMay 24 03:29
cubezzzdue to the Unix wars back in the 1980sMay 24 03:29
cubezzzbut it's the clear antecedent of modern Linux and BSDMay 24 03:30
msb_The CLI commands were all the same.  I didn't even notice one version from another.May 24 03:30
msb_Seems like there was some change in tty i/o at some point.  I had to alter some of my routines.May 24 03:31
cubezzzthere's detritus in unix which is a bit different in every versionMay 24 03:32
msb_Same in Linux.  KDE4, systemd...May 24 03:32
cubezzzyes :)May 24 03:32
msb_Invasion of the ImproversMay 24 03:32
cubezzzwell try Unix v1, and you'll appreciate most of the improvementsMay 24 03:33
cubezzzI mean, most of the new ideas are goodMay 24 03:33
cubezzzsome, like KDE4 or systemd, not so muchMay 24 03:34
msb_I will never use KDE4.  May 24 03:34
cubezzzglibc is bloated, the result of years of accumulated changes, different cpu architectures, and god knows what elseMay 24 03:34
msb_From what I was told, it may be a MS plot to fuck up Linux.May 24 03:35
msb_I don't imagine systemd will affect me much, at the user level.May 24 03:35
cubezzzah, folks will just go to a distro that supports what they likeMay 24 03:36
cubezzzit's impossible to really mess up LinuxMay 24 03:36
msb_I will use Trinity if Suse drops KDE3.May 24 03:36
cubezzzOpenBSD still uses KDE3May 24 03:36
cubezzzand xfce is pretty useableMay 24 03:37
cubezzzI don't think the BSD folks are using systemdMay 24 03:37
msb_So I'm told.  Are the desktop names retained across reboots in xfce?  Does it remember the desktop locations of xterms/konsoles/May 24 03:38
cubezzzI don't use it enough to answer thatMay 24 03:38
cubezzzyou normally use umm, I forget which terminal program exactly, not konsole anywayMay 24 03:40
msb_There's a guy here called XFaCE.May 24 03:40
msb_Yes, konsole is KDE.May 24 03:41
cubezzzI'm using icewm on this box, I just never logoutMay 24 03:43
cubezzzlast logout was due to a utility power failure 86 days agoMay 24 03:44
cubezzzslackware is classic bsd style init scriptsMay 24 03:46
cubezzzI think you can still use Classical SysV style init on debianMay 24 03:47
cubezzzI assume you can revert back to SysV style init on distros that use systemd?May 24 03:47
cubezzzI haven't upgraded any operating systems to latest and greatest in a number of yearsMay 24 03:49
cubezzzI think the newest one I have is fedora 16May 24 03:49
msb_I dunno.  Reversion from systemd to init might require lots of reversions in various system programs.  May 24 03:51
cubezzzI'll just make my own distro at some pointMay 24 03:51
cubezzzI bet other folks will also, just look at distrowatch May 24 03:52
msb_As long as I can get it to boot, set up fstab, and use my trackball and whatever audio chip on my mobo, and of course KDE3/Trinity that's about all I need.May 24 03:53
msb_I'm a Linux user, not a system guy.May 24 03:56
cubezzzwell I've installed v6 and v7 from the source tapes so I'm ready :)May 24 03:59
cubezzzI'll maybe try systemd on one machine, just to check it outMay 24 04:00
cubezzzmy gut instinct is I don't like itMay 24 04:00
msb_The Monster that Ate Chicago.May 24 04:01
cubezzzif you want a Bell Labs, there's Plan 9May 24 04:20
cubezzzBell Labs style OSMay 24 04:20
cubezzzmost folks are not into thatMay 24 04:20
cubezzzPatrick Volkerding says he is sticking with a BSD-style of SysV designMay 24 04:22
cubezzzGNOME 3 seems to need systemdMay 24 04:24
cubezzzthe other one that keeps popping up is OpenRCMay 24 04:25
cubezzzI mean we don't still use Thompson shell, so new ideas always need to be evalutatedMay 24 04:27
cubezzzif it's overly complicated or slow, or hard to maintain then I don't want itMay 24 04:28
msb_cubezzz: The time may come when I will need to emigrate.  Most of my friends are ex-pats.  A job with Cubix in Canada would be very nice.May 24 05:31
msb_cubezzz: Did you ever see _The Handmaid's Tale_ ?  It made a big impression on me.May 24 05:33
cubezzzAtwood wrote a science fiction novel? Hard to believeMay 24 05:38
cubezzzno, I haven't seen the film or read the bookMay 24 05:38
msb_More political horror than science fiction.May 24 05:39
cubezzzdystopianMay 24 05:40
msb_yep.  But very good!May 24 05:49
cubezzzsometimes I wonder what inspired George Orwell to write 1984May 24 05:52
msb_It's certainly all around us now.May 24 05:55
msb_https://image.bayimg.com/famedaabb.jpgMay 24 05:56
cubezzzno Thought Police yet :)May 24 05:57
cubezzzyou could argue we have the telescreens thoughMay 24 06:00
XFaCE[00:55:18]<msb_> [22:35:52] So I'm told.  Are the desktop names retained across reboots in xfce?  Does it remember the desktop locations of xterms/konsoles/May 24 06:00
XFaCEno idea off handMay 24 06:00
XFaCEnever had to think about thatMay 24 06:00
cubezzzthere's a broader question too re: window managersMay 24 06:01
msb_The US govt has murdered at least 2,000,000 people A. to maintain US petrodollars and B. to destroy any kind of economy in which the workers get a fair share.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4  May 24 06:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Road to World War 3 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hbgqb ]May 24 06:02
cubezzzdoes it retain across switches in wm's?May 24 06:02
cubezzzmsb_, we're going to get off oil one way or the otherMay 24 06:03
msb_Hopefully.  But it's not going to happen soon.  It's making too much money for the ultra-wealthy.May 24 06:03
cubezzzmsb_, I'm switching into xfce now so I'll be able to answer your question in a minuteMay 24 06:04
msb_The 2,000,000 murders are all since 2001.  And the US govt did 9/11 to justify them.May 24 06:04
cubezzzha, interestingMay 24 06:05
cubezzzfirefox restarts in xfce with the same tabs and infoMay 24 06:05
msb_Sure.  It has its own state file.May 24 06:05
msb_sessionstore.jsMay 24 06:06
cubezzzyes, I delete that sometimesMay 24 06:06
cubezzzok, xfce does seem to retain the xterm'sMay 24 06:06
msb_You have multiple named virtual desktops running?May 24 06:07
cubezzzyes, I have multiple-multiple virtual desktops running :)May 24 06:07
cubezzzfvwm, icewm, KDE, mwm, Ratpoison, xfce 4 and failsafeMay 24 06:09
msb_What I mean is, when running a single DE, like xfce, do you have multiple desktops in that?May 24 06:12
cubezzzyesMay 24 06:12
cubezzzbut I don't run a single DE usuallyMay 24 06:12
msb_And those desktops and their names and contents are preserved across xfce restarts?May 24 06:13
cubezzzyesMay 24 06:13
msb_Great!May 24 06:13
cubezzzI'm still learning new things about KDE 3.X even though I've been using it for 11 yearsMay 24 06:16
cubezzzbut then, I'm just learning about Unix v1 today :)May 24 06:17
cubezzzthere's supposed to be a meteor shower in 45 minsMay 24 06:18
cubezzzoh I should show you my KDE 3 videoMay 24 06:19
cubezzzmight be of some interestMay 24 06:19
cubezzzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtRBoi1At_0May 24 06:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | konsole demo - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hdc7c ]May 24 06:20
msb_cubezzz: sorry, I'm having trouble following what you're doing in that video.  Needs voice explanation.May 24 06:28
cubezzzjust make it biggerMay 24 06:28
cubezzzit should work even on a slow machineMay 24 06:28
cubezzzanyways, it's just using sessions and coloured tabs in konsoleMay 24 06:31
msb_I only use one session per konsole.May 24 06:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MIPS Open-Source Group Takes Aim at ARM, IntelMay 24 07:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The inside story of the open source PC, and howMay 24 07:06
TweetTuxMachines                 it could stop you being a slave to yourMay 24 07:06
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msb_cubezzz: See any meteors?May 24 08:51
cubezzznoMay 24 08:51
cubezzznothing, I looked for half an hourMay 24 08:51
msb_Too bad.  The fun part is when you see one land and hear unscrewing noises.May 24 08:52
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470112663625031680May 24 09:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stmanfr: @schestowitz @wikileaks_forum This conception of whistleblowing is outdated to me & dangerous for whistleblowers & highly instrumentalizableMay 24 09:07
roy[23:44] <DaemonFC> schestowitz__, You can't tell anyone who you voted for in the UK?May 24 09:08
royI don't voteMay 24 09:08
DaemonFCI do, but I'm not thrilled about it.May 24 09:12
DaemonFCThere's going to be a government either way.May 24 09:12
roy[20:48] <DaemonFC> http://list25.com/the-25-biggest-ways-you-are-being-ripped-off/May 24 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-list25.com | 25 Biggest Ways You Are Being Ripped Off [ http://ur1.ca/hd9il ]May 24 09:13
royNice listMay 24 09:13
royhttps://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470114876653076480May 24 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, that page does not existMay 24 09:15
royhttps://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470115228475473920May 24 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stmanfr: @schestowitz @wikileaks_forum as long as single points of failure & centralized/pyramidal architectures are everywhere.May 24 09:16
DaemonFCschestowitz__, I got out of Walmart with 16 Gillette Sensor 3 razors for $7.76May 24 09:16
DaemonFCThey sent out a bunch of $3 off coupons that said "any gillette men's razors", but then they coded it to not scan for their cheaper ones.May 24 09:17
DaemonFCBut the cashier overrode all of them. heheMay 24 09:17
roy[22:39] <DaemonFC> If schestowitz started talking bad about the invasion, his government would arrest him for being impolite or somethingMay 24 09:17
royNo, they can harass a person in other waysMay 24 09:17
royas they do nowMay 24 09:17
royI needed to pay a lawyer recentlyMay 24 09:18
DaemonFCWhat did they do?May 24 09:18
roy:"as long as single points of failure & centralized/pyramidal architectures are everywhere. Crypto-anarchists know it cannot work"May 24 09:19
royhttps://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470115940055928833May 24 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stmanfr: @schestowitz @wikileaks_forum Crypto-anarchists thinking about whistleblowing can DEMONSTRATE current centralized methods lead to disasters.May 24 09:19
roy[22:39] <DaemonFC> MinceR, It hasn't gotten as bad as the UK though.May 24 09:19
royActuall, the US is worse off. Here there's usually a living wage even for the least paid peopleMay 24 09:20
roythe issue which remains is zero-hour contracts and need to work to get social benefit that one already paid for while employedMay 24 09:20
DaemonFCyou mean like retirement?May 24 09:21
roy[22:36] <DaemonFC> MinceR, The United States has a LOT of manufacturing left.May 24 09:21
royLike prison labour?May 24 09:21
royDaemonFC: not retirement, unemployemtnMay 24 09:21
royto put it simplyMay 24 09:21
royjoe works for 10 yearsMay 24 09:21
roypays $20,000 in taxMay 24 09:21
royjoe then loses his jobMay 24 09:21
roycan't find anotherMay 24 09:21
royneeds to work for private company for free to get $200 per month from his social program that he was forced to pay into while employedMay 24 09:22
royand some private company profits from joe's free labourMay 24 09:22
DaemonFC$200?May 24 09:22
DaemonFCWhere do you live on $200?May 24 09:22
royjust saying, depends on the caseMay 24 09:22
royhe'd probably get free housing tooMay 24 09:22
royso think of $50 per week for food etc.May 24 09:22
DaemonFCthere's some of that hereMay 24 09:22
DaemonFCyeah, Section 8 housing and food stampsMay 24 09:23
royanyway, for people who rely on the state tp support them when not self-sufficient or on a payroll is becoming hardMay 24 09:23
DaemonFCNo living wage, but you can qualify for low income subsidies if you make minimum wageMay 24 09:23
DaemonFCincluding the earned income tax creditsMay 24 09:23
roybig business are recovering hereMay 24 09:23
royat the expense of the poorMay 24 09:23
DaemonFCsame hereMay 24 09:24
roysome of whom are forced to work for free for big corporationsMay 24 09:24
DaemonFCThey're getting record profits on minimum payrollMay 24 09:24
royinterbnments, social programs, etc/May 24 09:24
royintershipsMay 24 09:24
royLOLMay 24 09:24
roynot internments :-)May 24 09:24
msb_cubezzz: Apparently _The Handmaid's Tale_ is out of print -- $36 from amazon.  But a very good online copy -- in the bay -- yo-ho-ho.May 24 09:24
roywhich would be a more suitable term actuallyMay 24 09:24
DaemonFCschestowitz__, Walmart just opened over 100 new stores while decreasing jobs by like 15,000.May 24 09:24
roymaybe automatic tillsMay 24 09:25
DaemonFCOf course, their sales are starting to go negative, but in the short term it looks good.May 24 09:25
roywe have more and more of them hereMay 24 09:25
royin the past you could approach a real personMay 24 09:25
roybut they're cutting down on peopleMay 24 09:25
DaemonFCYeah, that was all that was open earlier, when I was there.May 24 09:25
DaemonFCIt was packed.May 24 09:25
royso waiting time is increasing uunless you work with a machineMay 24 09:25
roysame in the bank I just ditched, NatWestMay 24 09:25
DaemonFCThey had one cashier running around trying to fix problems people were having on eight different self-checkouts.May 24 09:25
roywow, so walmart gives no option other than machines now?May 24 09:26
royI didn't go to asda any time recently and never bought anything there, so I don't know what this wal-mart-owned grocer is doingMay 24 09:26
DaemonFCWell, register 17 has to be open, but that's the only regular checkout that they keep open most of the time now.May 24 09:26
royah, yesMay 24 09:26
roythe person who 'helps' with machinesMay 24 09:26
DaemonFCIt's always packed with people buying cigarettes because that's the only lane that can sell them.May 24 09:26
royI saw that at the airportMay 24 09:26
msb_Too bad if people spoof the barcodes.May 24 09:27
DaemonFCWhen I worked at Walmart, 10 years ago, there were no self checkouts.May 24 09:27
DaemonFC10-15 cashiers on at all times.May 24 09:27
DaemonFCWell, over 4,000 stores, that's a lot of people who are employed.May 24 09:27
msb_45" TV looks like a roll of paper towels.May 24 09:27
schestowitz_log_goodMay 24 09:27
schestowitz_log_that's also better serviceMay 24 09:28
schestowitz_log_they can answer questionsMay 24 09:28
schestowitz_log_so wal-mart is becoming some kind of self-running businessMay 24 09:28
DaemonFCyeahMay 24 09:28
DaemonFCThere's now two cashiers.May 24 09:28
schestowitz_log_now, if only they could get more automated stocking of shelvesMay 24 09:28
DaemonFCThe tobacco lane and the self-checkout attendant.May 24 09:28
schestowitz_log_So much for "job creators"May 24 09:28
royI guess their vision if one of oligarchs and dependendsMay 24 09:30
royone or few people running a  centre ofull of machinesMay 24 09:30
roylike amazonMay 24 09:30
DaemonFCyeah, thousands and thousands of cashiers jobs, just goneMay 24 09:30
royand everyone else begging for pennies from themMay 24 09:30
royI guess they'll find that it leads to violent rebellionMay 24 09:30
DaemonFCWell, they say it helps them keep prices low, as prices increase.May 24 09:30
DaemonFC:)May 24 09:30
royhahaMay 24 09:32
royI heard that from some silly banksters' doormanMay 24 09:32
roy"it's good for you"May 24 09:32
roythen I lectured himMay 24 09:32
royhe too would be made redundant nextMay 24 09:32
roythey don't reduce prices, they improve marginsMay 24 09:33
royby sharing less with their staffMay 24 09:33
royof which there's less (declining staff))May 24 09:33
royI never knew a store or bank that reduced costs over timeMay 24 09:33
roythey use inflation as excuse to always hike pricesMay 24 09:33
DaemonFCroy, yeahMay 24 09:34
DaemonFCI just go to Walmart to coupon and stock up and cat litter and stuff.May 24 09:34
roywe're pushed into itMay 24 09:34
royI still buy at Sainsbury's for some of their low-cos stuff, but Aldi is the main one and also Cooperative, Wing Yip (for Asian products), and a few othersMay 24 09:35
roySainsbury's delivers to one's homeMay 24 09:35
roythat actually CREATES jobsMay 24 09:35
royit involved drivers, personal shoppers etc.May 24 09:35
royand is more environmentally-friendlyMay 24 09:35
royone truck with many deliveries rather than one car per householdMay 24 09:36
royThe till workers are still thereMay 24 09:36
royIn fact, it basically offloads the work from the customerMay 24 09:36
royand creates new jobsMay 24 09:36
royfor small shops it's hard to compete with this, thoughMay 24 09:36
roydo you have home deliveries in Huntington?May 24 09:36
DaemonFCnopeMay 24 09:39
DaemonFCWell, from Amazon maybe.May 24 09:39
DaemonFCWalgreens will let you make a shopping list and they'll bag it and ring it up and have it ready when you get to the store.May 24 09:39
royamazon is evil stuffMay 24 09:42
royfor many reasonsMay 24 09:42
royand it harms jobs, not creating jobsMay 24 09:42
DaemonFCI heard that they hire more people than they need just so they'll have extras right away when people quit. :PMay 24 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Did Blue Pup jump the shark with its Windows 8May 24 10:40
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royhttps://twitter.com/bdcory/status/470138239974899712May 24 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bdcory: @schestowitz Americans suffer from ignorance, apathy & blinded by two-party politics. In other words, we're too f---ing dumb.May 24 10:48
royhttp://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2014/05/22/except-issa-san-diego-delegation-supports-nsa-changes/May 24 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofsandiego.com | Except for Issa, San Diego Delegation Supports NSA Changes | Times of San Diego [ http://ur1.ca/hdd4e ]May 24 10:49
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royhttp://www.theawl.com/2014/05/a-drone-tried-to-kill-me-at-a-gizmodo-partyMay 24 11:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theawl.com | A Drone Tried to Kill Me at the Gizmodo House of the FutureMay 24 11:14
royhttp://www.longislandpress.com/2014/05/23/will-obamas-drone-strike-memo-mention-long-islands-khan/May 24 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.longislandpress.com | Will Obama’s Drone Strike Memo Mention Long Island’s Khan? | Long Island News from the Long Island Press [ http://ur1.ca/hddav ]May 24 11:16
royhttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/23/right-wing-fringe-party-ukip-sweeps-to-power-in-uk-poll.htmlMay 24 11:22
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royLOL http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mafp38agtk1qj26eao1_500.jpgMay 24 14:12
royhttps://twitter.com/onedeliveryuk/status/470189426669543424May 24 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@onedeliveryuk: @schestowitz Have you checked our website out yet? :) #kfc #mcds #burger king #nandos delivery..:)May 24 14:12
MinceRgeekingsMay 24 14:14
MinceRlolMay 24 14:14
royhttp://www.moggyblog.com/media/users/admin/norwegianforestcat.jpgMay 24 14:39
royhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mekh9bW8wM1rbknb3o1_500.gifMay 24 14:41
royhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dApe9RpI9tA/U3-EXLnzcgI/AAAAAAACQhI/gsNpW2iMSaM/w464-h825-no/Spectrum+of+Bagan+by+Pakpoom+Tirachittanuwattana.jpgMay 24 14:41
royhttp://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1400929102626704_animate.gifMay 24 14:42
royhttp://rt.com/news/161044-ukraine-helicopter-checkpoint-attack/May 24 15:11
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royhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4137902May 24 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: <h3>About Liars and Jumping to Conclusions</h3> Dishonest people are infuriating because they force the rest of us to do a lot of extra work and inherently force logical inconsistencies on us. To protect ourselves we often have to act on incomplete information. In the worst cases, dishonest people make us doubt our honest neighbors and ourselves. Microsoft is a particularly outrageous collection of liars and May 24 15:13
royhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1464688_615487381853330_1836728393_n.jpgMay 24 16:20
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royMinceR: https://31.media.tumblr.com/0331fd8f6f617618fbe8773b16c5ca28/tumblr_n624e1hMjb1qdlh1io1_250.gifMay 24 17:12
MinceRlolMay 24 17:13
MinceRprobably not as plannedMay 24 17:13
royhe doesn't go get foodMay 24 17:13
MinceRjumping on the counter would have been easier, most likelyMay 24 17:15
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4140313May 24 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Browsers will Flash Linux into the future or drag it into the past http://www.techrepublic.com/article/browsers-will-flash-linux-into-the-future-or-drag-it-into-the-past/May 24 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techrepublic.com | Browsers will Flash Linux into the future or drag it into the past - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/hdekc ]May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"May 24 17:43
schestowitz__This guy is just a troll, but I'm feeling randy so I'll bite. First and foremost: flash is dying. If you're talking about being held back from the future you should be talking about still supporting flash.May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"I get it, they want to stick with as much open source as possible..." that is by no means the only reason to use Chromium. It is available on more platforms. Chrome is known to have privacy violations that Chromium does not. Chromium is sometimes available from your repo. Etc..May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"Because I found it more reliable, up-to-date, and it had more of the plugins I needed." Bullshit, retarded, and false. Chromium is always at least as up-to-date as Chrome, because the updates happen in Chromium first. And they use the same plugins. Reliability is a little harder to prove, but I have seen no difference whatsoever and I have extensive experience with both. This sentence alone proves the guy is either an idiot or, moreMay 24 17:43
schestowitz__likely, a bad liar.May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"I see, all too often, died in the wool open-source users refusing to install software by Google (or other entities), because they don't adhere to the GPL." Really? How many people do you know that shriek in horror when they come across something that is BSD-licensed?May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"With companies like Google behind it, Linux could take over the world!" It already did precisely that, jackass. Ever heard of Android? Chromebooks? A few feet from me sits a Samsung T.V. my wife bought from WalMart - it runs Linux. Linux runs elevators and road signs. Linux is the most common OS in the world, and most of those installations are in perverted corporate forms.May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"If Linux doesn't succeed, open source cannot succeed." Can you think of a sentence more obviously false? "open source" is an approach to software development - its fate is absolutely not tied to the fate of one particular kernel. Ever heard of the BSD family? I hear they have some pretty big corporations involved too (Apple). And the Lord knows you'd never get open source software on a closed OS like Windows /sarc.May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"But if Linux is to win over new users, it cannot, in any way, depend on those new users extracting APIs from one browser and rolling them into another." If those users want/need flash and don't want to use the NAPI plugin and don't want to roll Pepper in, then they can install a browser that does what they need. How is this a problem? Most of my computers have Chromium, Chrome, Firefox, and other browsers installed. I'll play whack-May 24 17:43
schestowitz__a-browser for the poorly-designed websites (which would include the ones which use flash).May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"For new users to accept Linux as a desktop platform of choice, said platform needs to work out-of-the-box." Bullshit. Have you ever seen a new user use Ubuntu's flashy package management thing? It's not a problem.May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"If it means Linux gains more support and a larger install base, how can you not see this as a winning situation?" ... "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"Could that "push" actually come from the open-source community itself? I believe so." So now you contradict the entire article up to this point? Awesome. Well I'll tell you what, that extra push would have nothing to do with Flash.May 24 17:43
schestowitz__"May 24 17:44
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4140295May 24 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Linux-based eyewear tracks eye movements http://linuxgizmos.com/linux-based-eyewear-tracks-eye-movements/May 24 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxgizmos.com | Linux-based eyewear tracks eye movements ·  LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/hdeke ]May 24 17:44
schestowitz__"Or allow it to be used as an input device maybe?"May 24 17:44
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msb_cubelog: Amiga in the news!  http://www.nowseethis.org/invisiblephoto/posts/108/essay/5   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oqUd8utr14May 24 18:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Andy Warhol paints Debbie Harry on an Amiga - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hdeu7 ]May 24 18:44
msb_cubezzz: see aboveMay 24 18:45
MinceRhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/3b5514e97c192d4d499dcc7cf3d462b9/tumblr_n5zk5vW7Dr1qzcv7no3_500.jpgMay 24 18:58
MinceRhow should one look for unused domain names if one wants to avoid potential squatters finding out which ones are wanted?May 24 19:56
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DaemonFCshared a link via Indiana Progressive Liberals.May 24 20:43
DaemonFC15 seconds agoMay 24 20:43
DaemonFChttp://www.heraldbulletin.com/breakingnews/x1396859018/Indiana-GOP-debates-gay-marriage-line-for-platformMay 24 20:43
DaemonFCHopefully, the Supreme Court will free us from this before they get around to putting a constitutional ban on the ballot and letting Indiana voters prove what a bag of dicks they can be.May 24 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heraldbulletin.com | Indiana GOP debates gay marriage line for platform » Breaking News » The Herald Bulletin [ http://ur1.ca/hdfdf ]May 24 20:44
DaemonFChttp://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140524/world/Ukip-party-scores-a-huge-win-in-UK-local-elections.520361May 24 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timesofmalta.com | Ukip party scores a huge win in UK local elections - timesofmalta.com [ http://ur1.ca/hdfdt ]May 24 20:46
DaemonFCI got a letter from Nigel Farage when I e-mailed the MEPs asking them to vote no on ACTA.May 24 20:47
DaemonFCAll I really know about him is that he was emphatically opposed to ACTA, which is good.May 24 20:47
MinceRthere probably are worse things about himMay 24 20:48
MinceRthe greens are opposed to ACTA (and TTIP, and similar crap), thoughMay 24 20:48
DaemonFCMinceR, It would be bad for most Europeans just like it would be bad for most Americans.May 24 20:48
DaemonFCWe've lost control of our own government, but it appears that Europe still has some democratic tendencies left.May 24 20:49
DaemonFCI think it really says everything when I give up trying to ask my own Congress Critters to block those deals and start asking foreign politicians to do that instead.May 24 20:49
DaemonFCMinceR, Losing control of the internet by the people will require the US government to bully other countries into passing the laws it wants them to pass. Simply doing it here only affects people when they're under the jurisdiction of the United States. Like, I can't share some software with you, but you could share it with me, so my government wants your government to make sharing with me illegal for you.May 24 20:51
DaemonFCObviously, it would be better if I could stop the US government from doing nasty things to Americans, but failing that, it's in my best interest if your government doesn't cooperate.May 24 20:53
DaemonFCAnd it has no reason to cooperate on the terms of "intellectual property" agreements, so the US is sugar coating this crap with "We'll give you access to cheap natural gas that we're poisoning Americans to extract via fracking!".May 24 20:54
DaemonFCWith "intellectual property", Hungary and the EU would mostly be on the losing end, because you'd end up legitimizing American "IP" claims, and getting nothing in return.May 24 20:55
MinceRindeedMay 24 20:55
DaemonFCSince the United States is already so rotten that it allows foreigners that we have no trade deals with to register things like patents here, and gouge Americans with them.May 24 20:55
MinceRthe EU is also willing to negotiate secret "trade deals" that change its lawsMay 24 20:56
MinceRthis should be changedMay 24 20:56
DaemonFCSo, what we end up with are things like European pharmaceutical companies getting US patents and charging me $600 a month for a drug that costs $50 in Germany.May 24 20:57
DaemonFCMinceR, Apparently, the US wants to export natural gas to the EU, and I believe that's where the pressure on the EU to sanction Russia is coming from.May 24 21:06
MinceRit's probably not the only sourceMay 24 21:07
MinceRnot everybody likes the idea of being run over by russians.May 24 21:07
DaemonFCThe US needs somewhere for the excess gas to be sold to, and cutting off Europe from the Russian market makes ours easier to sell.May 24 21:07
MinceRespecially if one's dictator is making deals that favors putin.May 24 21:07
MinceRand this is not the first time when dependence on russian gas is a huge issue for europe.May 24 21:08
MinceRthey're not trustworthy.May 24 21:08
DaemonFCMinceR, Neither is the US government.May 24 21:23
MinceRprobably more so than russia, thoughMay 24 21:23
MinceRplus if the EU can ship gas from the USA via ships, it can ship from almost anywhereMay 24 21:23
DaemonFCBoth have a "Give us what we want or we'll hurt you." attitude.May 24 21:23
DaemonFCShower you with gifts if you accept the deals.May 24 21:24
MinceRdifferent standards, thoughMay 24 21:24
DaemonFCRussia's government is more repressive than ours.May 24 21:24
MinceRindeed.May 24 21:24
DaemonFCIt doesn't enforce environmental protection standards as well, it cracks down on gay people for what would be first amendment protected speech here.May 24 21:24
DaemonFCIf you protest Putin, then you will go to prison.May 24 21:25
DaemonFCThere's no doubt about it.May 24 21:25
DaemonFCThere's picketers outside the US capital all the time.May 24 21:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Opportunity | Tux MachinesMay 24 21:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Features On The Roadmap For GTK+May 24 21:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Features On The Roadmap For GTK+ | Tux MachinesMay 24 21:43
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4141634May 24 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: good karma ![](http://37.media.tumblr.com/0d771a5abcc82806f6a02a8f07b2d864/tumblr_n5y989trtE1qdlh1io1_400.gif)May 24 22:19
schestowitz__"Now they just need to paint that tire white..."May 24 22:19
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4141649May 24 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### Did you know... that under the Nazi-Regime in Germany also male homosexuals were put into concentration camps? And that even after WWII German laws against homosexuality weren't changed for many years, and homosexual victims of the nazis weren't rehabilitated? I recently read a biography about maybe the last homosexual camp-surviver (at least the last one known - because these people obviously leaMay 24 22:20
schestowitz__"May 24 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.radiolab.org | The Turing Problem - Radiolab [ http://ur1.ca/hdenk ]May 24 22:20
schestowitz__The way the "Allies" won out against the "Axis" was by, in some ways, becoming the fascists that they were trying to defeat.May 24 22:20
schestowitz__Mandatory military service for able-bodied men (and women, in the case of the USSR). Putting people with different skin color or who speak different languages into prison camps, building the world's biggest bomb before the other guys. And subjecting homosexuals to torture, driving them to suicide.May 24 22:20
schestowitz__But everything turned out for the best. Oh, yes.May 24 22:20
schestowitz__"May 24 22:20
schestowitz__"May 24 22:20
schestowitz__That's a bit of an understatement.May 24 22:20
schestowitz__I don't know who this quote is by but it wraps up my thoughts on this topic rather well.May 24 22:20
schestowitz__"The United States did not win World War II, Fascism did." - Some BlokeMay 24 22:20
schestowitz__"May 24 22:20
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cubezzzI was wrong, the google drive image for unix v1 doesn't have a working fortran compilerMay 24 23:18
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cubezzzmsb_, question for you...May 24 23:55
cubezzzwhen you worked on the PDP-6, where was that?May 24 23:55
msb_cubezzz: University of Pennsylvania, Johnson Foundation.May 24 23:58
cubezzzah thanksMay 24 23:59
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3rBBRIVYscMay 24 23:59
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DaemonFChttp://www.engadget.com/2014/05/17/game-of-thrones-author-explains-old-pc/?ncid=rss_truncated&utm_campaign=socialmedia_fb&utm_source=socialmedia_fb&utm_medium=fbMay 18 00:05
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Snowleaksangehey schestoMay 18 05:20
Snowleaksangejust independently invented that nicknameMay 18 05:20
schestowitz_log_not new though :)May 18 05:22
schestowitz_log_My dad has been called that almost his whole lifeMay 18 05:22
schestowitz_log_and some relatives of mine too. For me it's rather rare to be called thatMay 18 05:23
schestowitz_log_meh. Just found this in my timeline: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_212a5ba14fb44b0af1a3.pngMay 18 05:23
schestowitz_log_Snowleaksange: been a quiet long weekend for me, I will start posting some stuff about NSA et al. again as time permitsMay 18 05:23
Snowleaksangeah coolMay 18 05:24
Snowleaksangei havent been keeping up with politicsMay 18 05:24
Snowleaksangebeen in the codemines crafting mithrilMay 18 05:25
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/467959464273117184May 18 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Been a long 3-day weekend, time to resume and catch up even though it's Sunday. Lots new in Greenwald's book.May 18 06:04
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/467962046500569088May 18 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz did you notice p. 32 Snowden wrote: "join the open source community"...?May 18 06:04
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467963616772489216May 18 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz any good? I'm not going to lie I'm severely tempted to purchase a copy.May 18 06:06
schestowitz_log_I reckon I can get the gist onlineMay 18 06:06
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467971415808155648May 18 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz so Amazon sale item but not full price in Wh Smiths.May 18 06:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Antergos 2014.05.14 RC Is a Distro Based onMay 18 06:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antergos 2014.05.14 RC Is a Distro Based on GNOME 3.12 with Numix Artwork | Tux MachinesMay 18 06:17
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schestowitz_log_Amazon is evil. I'd never buy from them.May 18 06:17
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467972751412969472May 18 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I agree but where else to buy books, I live in Middle Earth and we don't have a book store. Mainly as locals can't read.May 18 06:26
schestowitz_log_I'd say it's more ethical to download a copy than to buy from AmazonMay 18 06:26
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467974147578937344May 18 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough oh how govt failed to provide education. @schestowitzMay 18 06:27
schestowitz_log_When did govt. ever provide education rather than nationalism and conformism for corporate value?May 18 06:27
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467975328066174976May 18 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @SEEVed practically never, no wonder we have so many educated stupid people unaware of the world they live in.May 18 06:31
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467975658321100800May 18 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz let me see there was... never mind its all math, writing & indoctrination @MessgoroughMay 18 06:32
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467976258534772736May 18 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz But where to download from, so many places for Ebooks have vanished thanks to Kindles.May 18 06:35
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467976904541478912May 18 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz we got a bit of Shakespeare thrown in which was inspiring as genital warts.May 18 06:37
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467976930763878400May 18 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough @schestowitz like this guy http://t.co/wJPnTqvz7a @20committee has a PhD in History as he keeps referring 2 when he cant debateMay 18 06:37
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467977464149336065May 18 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough that's because they didn't compare it to hip hop like this http://t.co/XnFnvFnhHk @schestowitzMay 18 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | TEDxAldeburgh - Akala - Hip-Hop & Shakespeare? - YouTubeMay 18 06:39
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467977909492539392May 18 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz @20committee Yeh well American history has the bad stuff cut out and some good old nazi whooping and patriotism added.May 18 06:43
schestowitz_log_Wow, @20committee must be a satirical account. Only a damn ***ing fool would talk like this.May 18 06:43
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467978493377404928May 18 06:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz "is this a dagger I see before me", Yeh homie gimmie ya phone & wallet. Ghetto ShakespeareMay 18 06:44
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467978998329643008May 18 06:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: ROTFL, @schestowitz RT Former #NSA Official Thinks A Blog Containing Nothing But His Own Tweets Is 'Defamatory' http://t.co/l5E2J7yaMkMay 18 06:44
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467980353588965376May 18 06:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @SEEVed American stupid is where despite constant evidence the person believes themselves correct against all opposition.May 18 06:52
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467981728506605570May 18 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough 4 minute history lesson http://t.co/UMdmSNmleP @schestowitzMay 18 06:56
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467981755430240256May 18 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: John R Schindler has a small Google Scholar presence. I found great JR Schindler deer browsing paper @schestowitz :) http://t.co/FRHYJtACFNMay 18 06:56
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schestowitz_log_So @20committee not that bright. Maybe that's why he joined Nazi Surveillance/Assassination (NSA). Real Schindler's lists.May 18 06:57
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467982378552414208May 18 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough it is very politically active @schestowitzMay 18 06:58
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467983252788367361May 18 07:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough this one goes after the Media after 9/11 http://t.co/zevQ3kHstS @schestowitzMay 18 07:03
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DaemonFCMaster Shake: [rapping] Happy birthday Jesus / You are the one / Coming down to Earth / From planet Krypton / Rollin out tracks and getting it on / like the 'Wrath of Khan' with Ricardo Montalban / It rained fishes and loaves on the bitches and the hos / They said they want some mo' and he said, "Hell no!" / Yo I got the flow / You ghost ridin the whip / And you suckin on my-May 18 07:04
DaemonFCMichael: Okay, let's cut it there.May 18 07:04
DaemonFCMaster Shake: [breathes] Whoo! I was hoping to get the word 'ding-dong' in on that take, but I ran out of breath.May 18 07:04
schestowitz_log_http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/big-data-beyond-the-nsa-106653.html?ml=po_rMay 18 07:19
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schestowitz_log_Jay Rockefeller pro NSA?May 18 07:19
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467991888675762176May 18 07:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: .@schestowitz @20committee All academics need to #CheckEgoAtDoorMay 18 07:38
schestowitz_log_maybe he's inspired by his boss Michael HaydenMay 18 07:39
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/wbgleason/status/467993130844037120May 18 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wbgleason: RT @dawnbazely: .@schestowitz @20committee All academics need to #CheckEgoAtDoor } Once in a very blue moon ...May 18 07:42
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/467993755594014720May 18 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Arlington: Birthplace of #NSA #Surveillance http://t.co/2WDYp5kGCh Arlington: the only place that ever took my fingerprintsMay 18 07:44
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/20committee/status/467993954609553408May 18 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: WINNER / RT @schestowitz: 20committee not that bright that's why he joined Nazi Surveillance/Assassination (NSA). Real Schindler's lists.May 18 07:45
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467981755430240256May 18 07:45
schestowitz_log_"dumbass." Wow, it must be Hayden.May 18 07:46
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/20committee/status/467994208822112256May 18 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @dawnbazely @schestowitz Jason, dumbassMay 18 07:46
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/Nel_Mezzo/status/467995038971355137\May 18 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nel_Mezzo: @20committee @schestowitz has taken trolling to a whole new level. WINNER indeed.May 18 07:53
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467995077806411776May 18 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: .@schestowitz Tnx for heads up. That #CareBears banner's an idea for a whole new NSA/CSIS branding strategy! cc @20committee @wbgleasonMay 18 07:53
schestowitz_log_"Do not want!" (mass surveillance)May 18 07:53
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467995840586723329May 18 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee Or, possibly one of those auto-generated tweet responders. I think there's one for #PrincessBride fans 1/2May 18 07:54
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467996350840590336May 18 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee Prof. Schindler likely has never experienced anon student feedback from large pre-med courses cc @wbgleasonMay 18 07:54
schestowitz_log_Given what we see in leaks, the real "trolling" comes from people working with NSA inter aliaMay 18 07:55
MinceRgeekingsMay 18 07:55
schestowitz_log_https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulatihttps://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/on/May 18 07:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | There Is More Than One Way to Quantum - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/hc9by ]May 18 07:56
schestowitz_log_https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/May 18 07:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gp1cn ]May 18 07:57
schestowitz_log_http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/blog/cyberbizblog/2014/05/the-nsa-wants-fewer-employees-driving-themselves.htmlMay 18 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | The NSA wants fewer employees driving themselves to work during rush hour - Baltimore Business Journal [ http://ur1.ca/hc9cr ]May 18 07:58
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/nickkarras/status/467999995900469248May 18 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nickkarras: @20committee @schestowitz ahh joyMay 18 08:12
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/468000782160515072May 18 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee @wbgleason Yup/ Agatha Christie wouldn’t be surprised by this. She was v. wise & truly understood evil.May 18 08:13
schestowitz_log_Worry not, they're the Good Guys, so by definition they "meant well"May 18 08:13
DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/media/watch-bill-maher-reads-steamy-fair-and-balanced-conservative-pornMay 18 08:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org | Watch: Bill Maher Reads Steamy 'Fair and Balanced' Conservative Porn | Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/hc9hw ]May 18 08:19
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/468002468270723072May 18 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz wasn't it the CDU that shot down FOSS adoption on the German govt?May 18 08:22
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/RightToBeForgot/status/468008824880648195May 18 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RightToBeForgot: @schestowitz Corporations don't have data protection rights. Google is not free speech.May 18 09:03
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468014899114016768May 18 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @schestowitz John, you know these whiny manbabies secretly all want to be you.May 18 09:09
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468016082826309632May 18 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @dawnbazely @schestowitz Greenwald cultists are so clASSY aren't they?May 18 09:14
schestowitz_log_NSA critics are "cultists" now and also Greenwalf worshippers. NSA apologists live in a parallel universe.May 18 09:15
schestowitz_log_*waldMay 18 09:15
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/20committee/status/468016134210736128May 18 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @ScottyBurberry @schestowitz #daretodream lolMay 18 09:15
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468017400483692544May 18 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @20committee It's called life with solid neural pathways, free of haldol. You wouldn't understand.May 18 09:17
schestowitz_log_Right, because I'm too stupid and disqualified, just like all of Schindler's "opponents"May 18 09:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu AIO DVD Has All Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Flavors on One Disk | Tux MachinesMay 18 09:18
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468017892915945472May 18 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @20committee At least you recognize your shortcomings. Now, I don't tolerate whining and victim-playing in my TL so bye.May 18 09:28
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468019233859710977May 18 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @schestowitz I'm envious, John. You get more trolls than my Burberry leather jacket!May 18 09:28
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/20committee/status/468019481185619968May 18 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @ScottyBurberry @schestowitz Which is a big achievement! :)May 18 09:28
schestowitz_log_All your critics are "trolls". Just like to the NSA, opponents are "terrorists". #nsa #johnschindlerMay 18 09:30
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/QuadCityPat/status/468020669012123648May 18 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@QuadCityPat: @20committee @ScottyBurberry LOL Nazi Security Agency? Real Schindler's list? @schestowitz's studying Holocaust in 8th grade Social StudiesMay 18 09:30
schestowitz_log_NSA does the oppose of Schindler. It marks people for assassination based on broad criteria ("metadata").May 18 09:31
schestowitz_log_Perhaps the later (John) Schindler should take a lesson from his doctrate degree and grasp bad policiesMay 18 09:32
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468020820217192448 https://twitter.com/QuadCityPat/status/468021041785094145May 18 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @QuadCityPat @20committee @schestowitz He's all up in his feels this morning. I sense he didn't get laid last night.May 18 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@QuadCityPat: @ScottyBurberry @20committee @schestowitz Indeed.May 18 09:33
schestowitz_log_your use of the language of schoolyard only diminishes your viewMay 18 09:33
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/468021222232846337May 18 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz Either forgotten or reduce ubiquitous state and corporate surveillance, there must be balance. How is surveillance redressed?May 18 09:34
schestowitz_log_Surveillance is above the law, uses secret courts that public would not tolerate if awareMay 18 09:34
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468022200302596096May 18 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @QuadCityPat @20committee You can do better than this tepid hissyfit.May 18 09:37
schestowitz_log_plonkedMay 18 09:37
schestowitz_log_http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/17101895-libyan-general-linked-to-cia-launches-attacks-in-benghaziMay 18 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.allvoices.com | Libyan general linked to CIA launches attacks in Benghazi [ http://ur1.ca/hcacw ]May 18 09:37
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468022453282045952May 18 09:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @QuadCityPat @20committee @schestowitz All this whining and they freely give very personal info to private corpsMay 18 09:40
schestowitz_log_Taking (passively, by another party) is not the same as one's giving. Very different.May 18 09:41
schestowitz_log_Or maybe you refer collectively to a lot of people who do give their data, based on misconceptions\May 18 09:41
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/468026098958467072May 18 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz For state yes, but "forgotten" also includes corporate surveillance/site scraping/replay attack/MITM issues for people.May 18 09:52
msb_"<schestowitz_log_> I'd say it's more ethical to download a copy than to buy from Amazon"  One could download a copy and then send money to the author.May 18 09:59
msb_http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_15/GMO-related-activities-to-be-considered-as-terrorist-acts-in-Russia-9062/May 18 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com | GMO-related activities to be considered as terrorist acts in Russia - News - Russia - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/hcau4 ]May 18 10:07
schestowitzmsb_: or donate to a snowden protection fundMay 18 10:46
schestowitzor to the EFF which he supportsMay 18 10:46
schestowitzmsb_: cheers https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4109833May 18 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gmo #agentorange & #monopoly abuse has gotten #monsanto characterised as "terrorist" (defacement) in Wikipedia. Now http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_15/GMO-related-activities-to-be-considered-as-terrorist-acts-in-Russia-9062/May 18 10:48
schestowitzhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8nd3BkEN6l8/U1z8D-jYfQI/AAAAAAAB53c/Lxu450h4K7E/s1600/gXrSZx3.gifMay 18 10:55
schestowitzhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4k80en6l91qzio10o1_500.jpgMay 18 10:57
schestowitzhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/1003770_557208644316606_885207121_n.jpgMay 18 10:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/468043385392361472May 18 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Tnx for educational fun! Hope you got your baiting in for day, @wbgleason :) Now I gotta finish my conference emailsMay 18 11:01
schestowitzthey debate like a pack of hyenasMay 18 11:01
schestowitzhttp://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/3f/27/f7/3f27f7867515a30e07c76f39e362f3fb.jpgMay 18 11:02
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schestowitzsee @5150committee because it says a lot reallyMay 18 11:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/5150committeeMay 18 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com | Fake John Schindler (5150committee) on TwitterMay 18 11:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/466527789370593280May 18 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@csoghoian: This is what a cyber warrior apparently looks like (via @semibogan) http://t.co/1oL939F9qZMay 18 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@semibogan: Oh right. Apparently this is. http://t.co/gNKPIWSODOMay 18 11:43
schestowitzL:OL https://twitter.com/5150committee/status/466408382317199363May 18 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@FrancisJeffrey7 Nice try, but I sanitize my inputs;DROP TABLE FSBplots;May 18 11:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/5150committee/status/466051288632152064May 18 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@StephenAtHome @GGreenwald Question for my former colleagues at NSA: is it possible to use QUANTUM to get #CancelColbert trending again?May 18 11:43
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schestowitzhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnIL2xhCEAAmce7.pngMay 18 11:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/5150committee/status/464840161403342848May 18 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@20committee On the one hand, this new policy is fascist and irrational. On the other hand, it might get Schindler to STFU. #moralDilemmaMay 18 11:45
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25G5tWEW5DcMay 18 12:02
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schestowitzhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/a2a781f33904b9b345c6f691a3d6a8f5/tumblr_n5i7heOD3M1sq5rugo2_500.gifMay 18 12:08
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/4109809May 18 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ramil_rodaje@diasp.org: “**Love is wise; hatred is foolish**. In this world, which is getting more and more closely interconnected, we have to learn to tolerate each other, we have to learn to put up with the fact that some people say things that we don't like. We can only live together in that way. But if we are to live together, and not die together, we must learn a kind of charity and a kind of tolerance, which is absolutely vital to theMay 18 12:08
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cubezzzgood point from ramilMay 18 13:21
schestowitz__it's a British philosopher he's quotingMay 18 13:36
cubezzzahMay 18 13:37
cubezzzbertrand russellMay 18 13:37
schestowitz__yepMay 18 13:39
schestowitz__good oneMay 18 13:39
schestowitz__ahead of his timeMay 18 13:39
schestowitz__esp. when disregard for religionsMay 18 13:39
schestowitz__back when it was ok to use "I'm offended" to censor the speaker, like today's IslamMay 18 13:40
msb_But that kind of tolerance, while it would work in a small town where people know and understand one another, is not sufficient for larger systems like nations and the world.May 18 13:47
msb_The problem is *psychopaths*.  May 18 13:47
msb_Psychopaths have no empathy nor conscience, and many of them *enjoy* harming others and making them suffer.May 18 13:48
msb_They are also control freaks.  They often seek positions of power, and lie, cheat, steal, and kill to get as high in the structure as they can.May 18 13:49
cubezzzpsychopath is a bit strongMay 18 13:50
cubezzzsociopath is more likelyMay 18 13:50
cubezzza full blown psycho wouldn't be able to function too well in societyMay 18 13:50
msb_The psychopaths in charge of the US government have murdered at least 2,000,000 people in this century alone.May 18 13:51
msb_That's very strong.May 18 13:51
msb_The word "psycho" confuses "psychopath" with "psychotic".  It should not be used.  Psychotics are delusional and can be easily recognized.May 18 13:52
msb_Many psychopaths are very good at hiding their true nature and goals, and passing as human.  But they aren't actually human.May 18 13:53
cubezzzyou're right, that's a good pointMay 18 13:53
msb_They aren't *humane*.  They don't have *humanity*.  They don't empathize with the *human race*.May 18 13:54
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msb_This is a very good video about how they have come to control and shape our society and culture.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYMay 18 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ]May 18 13:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Lite 2.0 Beta Can Easily Replace WindowsMay 18 16:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tux3 Under Review, Offered For Mainline LinuxMay 18 16:13
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