IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: May 18th, 2014-May 24th, 2014

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DaemonFC	http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/05/17/2012231/free-software-foundation-condemns-mozillas-move-to-support-drm-in-firefox?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebook	May 18 01:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.slashdot.org \| Free Software Foundation Condemns Mozilla's Move To Support DRM In Firefox - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/hc12b ]		May 18 01:17
DaemonFC	https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1.0-9/10246376_679064805481547_5446376166113519648_n.jpg	May 18 01:42
MinceR	:)	May 18 01:44
MinceR	gn	May 18 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4 Excellent Alternative Graphical Linux File	May 18 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	Managers http://t.co/TcXbL658Fo	May 18 02:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 4 Excellent Alternative Graphical Linux File Managers \| Tux Machines		May 18 02:11
msb_	DaemonFC: Would you please explain the cat regeneration joke? I don't get it.	May 18 02:25
cubezzz	I'm guessing it's dr who related	May 18 02:26
msb_	cubezzz: Thanks! "Ginger" is relevant to Dr Who -- http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Ginger_%28trait%29 I've only watched a couple of episodes.	May 18 02:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tardis.wikia.com \| Ginger (trait) - Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/hc1yt ]		May 18 02:30
cubezzz	msb_, the radeonfb module fixed my console problem	May 18 02:32
cubezzz	also I can now write to specific part of the frame buffer to make certain there's no screen corruption	May 18 02:33
msb_	cubezzz: Great! So it was not a hardware problem.	May 18 02:34
cubezzz	well it's hard to say for sure	May 18 02:35
cubezzz	could be that certain parts of memory on the video card were being overwritten by some programming bug	May 18 02:36
DaemonFC	I still feel like a tank ran over me after this week.	May 18 02:49
DaemonFC	Dizziness turned into vomiting, which turned into an acid reflux attack, which turned into aches and pains, chills, fever, twitching, etc.	May 18 02:49
DaemonFC	I keep thinking it's over, and then it comes back. I've basically done nothing but sleep for the past couple of days.	May 18 02:49
DaemonFC	I don't feel like I'm about to puke right now, so I think I'm getting better.	May 18 02:49
DaemonFC	Oh, and yesterday, I had a throbbing headache as well. :P	May 18 02:50
DaemonFC	I got my appetite back, and the first thing I ate was a triple baconator and a large fries with a large chocolate shake.	May 18 02:50
DaemonFC	om nom nom	May 18 02:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Updated PostgreSQL targets NoSQL market	May 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oLJpuULDrq	May 18 02:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Updated PostgreSQL targets NoSQL market \| Tux Machines		May 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Whitehurst Speaks, Enlightenment Linux, and	May 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines	Linus Wants You http://t.co/Dq2lGtOQnf	May 18 02:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Whitehurst Speaks, Enlightenment Linux, and Linus Wants You \| Tux Machines		May 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenStack Deployments Are Up, And So Is	May 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu—But Will It Stick?	May 18 02:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Z4xFa5OrsP	May 18 02:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenStack Deployments Are Up, And So Is Ubuntu—But Will It Stick? \| Tux Machines		May 18 02:51
msb_	DaemonFC: Sounds like you've had a virus. Have you tried at least 20 grams of vitamin C per day?	May 18 02:58
DaemonFC	http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan14-libressl/mgp00012.html	May 18 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openbsd.org \| MagicPoint presentation foils [ http://ur1.ca/hc23m ]		May 18 03:10
DaemonFC	msb: nope	May 18 03:10
msb_	DaemonFC: You could start at 10g/day. If you have gastro-intestinal symptoms, start with calcium ascorbate.	May 18 03:11
DaemonFC	http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan14-libressl/mgp00008.html	May 18 03:13
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msb_	DaemonFC: See this page http://cosmicpenguin.com/codex/2-How_Vitamin_C_Works-Cathcart-with_summary.html and the Vitamin C links at the bottom of this page http://cosmicpenguin.com/codex/	May 18 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| 2 - How Vitamin C Works - Cathcart - with summary [ http://ur1.ca/hc247 ]		May 18 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Codex Alimentarius, Vitamin C, and Viral Pandemics		May 18 03:14
DaemonFC	http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan14-libressl/mgp00020.html	May 18 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openbsd.org \| MagicPoint presentation foils [ http://ur1.ca/hc248 ]		May 18 03:14
DaemonFC	msb_, That's ridiculous.	May 18 03:23
DaemonFC	Mega doses of vitamins can be dangerous and are at least a waste of money.	May 18 03:23
DaemonFC	Secondly, you can still walk into any Walmart and buy as much vitamin C as you want.	May 18 03:24
msb_	DaemonFC: Mammals of human body weight create about 70 grams of vitamin C per day when they have a serious viral infection. So 10-20 g/day is not a "mega dose".	May 18 03:25
msb_	DaemonFC: I was told some years ago that it's now impossible to buy therapeutic quantities of vitamins in some nations (perhaps Germany). There you can only get bottles of 200mg pills.	May 18 03:27
msb_	DaemonFC: The suggested doses of C are harmless.	May 18 03:28
msb_	DaemonFC: You might read the references I gave.	May 18 03:28
msb_	DaemonFC: IIRC, there may be something like 1% of the population that converts C to oxalate in unusually large amounts and may get more Ca oxalate kidney stones from large doses of C. These people already get oxalate stones. In everyone else the conversion is rate-limited at the enzyme, and the amount of oxalate produced is not increased no matter how much C is ingested.	May 18 03:37
msb_	DaemonFC: I was told some years ago that it's now impossible to buy therapeutic quantities of vitamins in some nations (perhaps Germany). There you can only get bottles of 200mg pills of Vitamin C.	May 18 03:44
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditUbuntu favourited 'OpenStack Deployments Are Up, And So Is Ubuntu—But...'		May 18 04:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon and MATE screenshot	May 18 04:03
TweetTuxMachines	preview http://t.co/Oi7UN3FphQ	May 18 04:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Superb Deepin 2014 Beta OS Now Available for	May 18 04:03
TweetTuxMachines	Download – Screenshot Tour	May 18 04:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7b19doErfw	May 18 04:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon and MATE screenshot preview \| Tux Machines		May 18 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Superb Deepin 2014 Beta OS Now Available for Download – Screenshot Tour \| Tux Machines		May 18 04:03
DaemonFC	http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/16/apple-and-motorola-agree-to-drop-lawsuits/?ncid=rss_truncated&utm_campaign=socialmedia_fb&utm_source=socialmedia_fb&utm_medium=fb	May 18 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| Apple and Motorola agree to drop lawsuits against each other, work on patent reform [ http://ur1.ca/hc39v ]		May 18 04:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.12 Can Be Enhanced with the Beautiful	May 18 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	Zukitwo Theme http://t.co/3B7tZWv6Cv	May 18 04:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Starts Adding Performance Tests To	May 18 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	Mir http://t.co/B3TNw9txut	May 18 04:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Catalyst 14.4 Has Advantages Over Linux 3.15 +	May 18 04:51
TweetTuxMachines	Mesa 10.3 Git http://t.co/bi62z92Qto	May 18 04:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME 3.12 Can Be Enhanced with the Beautiful Zukitwo Theme \| Tux Machines		May 18 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Starts Adding Performance Tests To Mir \| Tux Machines		May 18 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Catalyst 14.4 Has Advantages Over Linux 3.15 + Mesa 10.3 Git \| Tux Machines		May 18 04:51
DaemonFC	http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/17/game-of-thrones-author-explains-old-pc/?ncid=rss_truncated&utm_campaign=socialmedia_fb&utm_source=socialmedia_fb&utm_medium=fb	May 18 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| Game of Thrones' author explains why he writes with an ancient DOS computer [ http://ur1.ca/hc3rl ]		May 18 05:08
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Snowleaksange	hey schesto	May 18 10:22
Snowleaksange	just independently invented that nickname	May 18 10:22
schestowitz_log_	not new though :)	May 18 10:24
schestowitz_log_	My dad has been called that almost his whole life	May 18 10:24
schestowitz_log_	and some relatives of mine too. For me it's rather rare to be called that	May 18 10:25
schestowitz_log_	meh. Just found this in my timeline: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_212a5ba14fb44b0af1a3.png	May 18 10:25
schestowitz_log_	Snowleaksange: been a quiet long weekend for me, I will start posting some stuff about NSA et al. again as time permits	May 18 10:25
Snowleaksange	ah cool	May 18 10:26
Snowleaksange	i havent been keeping up with politics	May 18 10:26
Snowleaksange	been in the codemines crafting mithril	May 18 10:27
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/467959464273117184	May 18 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Been a long 3-day weekend, time to resume and catch up even though it's Sunday. Lots new in Greenwald's book.		May 18 11:06
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/467962046500569088	May 18 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz did you notice p. 32 Snowden wrote: "join the open source community"...?		May 18 11:06
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467963616772489216	May 18 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz any good? I'm not going to lie I'm severely tempted to purchase a copy.		May 18 11:08
schestowitz_log_	I reckon I can get the gist online	May 18 11:08
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467971415808155648	May 18 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz so Amazon sale item but not full price in Wh Smiths.		May 18 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antergos 2014.05.14 RC Is a Distro Based on	May 18 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME 3.12 with Numix Artwork	May 18 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TVjrOyCVV9	May 18 11:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Antergos 2014.05.14 RC Is a Distro Based on GNOME 3.12 with Numix Artwork \| Tux Machines		May 18 11:19
*TweetTuxMachines @ubuntuaio favourited 'Ubuntu AIO DVD Has All Ubuntu 14.04 LTS...'		May 18 11:19
schestowitz_log_	Amazon is evil. I'd never buy from them.	May 18 11:19
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467972751412969472	May 18 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I agree but where else to buy books, I live in Middle Earth and we don't have a book store. Mainly as locals can't read.		May 18 11:28
schestowitz_log_	I'd say it's more ethical to download a copy than to buy from Amazon	May 18 11:28
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467974147578937344	May 18 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough oh how govt failed to provide education. @schestowitz		May 18 11:29
schestowitz_log_	When did govt. ever provide education rather than nationalism and conformism for corporate value?	May 18 11:29
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467975328066174976	May 18 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @SEEVed practically never, no wonder we have so many educated stupid people unaware of the world they live in.		May 18 11:33
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467975658321100800	May 18 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz let me see there was... never mind its all math, writing & indoctrination @Messgorough		May 18 11:34
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467976258534772736	May 18 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz But where to download from, so many places for Ebooks have vanished thanks to Kindles.		May 18 11:37
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467976904541478912	May 18 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz we got a bit of Shakespeare thrown in which was inspiring as genital warts.		May 18 11:39
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467976930763878400	May 18 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough @schestowitz like this guy http://t.co/wJPnTqvz7a @20committee has a PhD in History as he keeps referring 2 when he cant debate		May 18 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| Former NSA Official Thinks A Blog Containing Nothing But His Own Tweets Is 'Defamatory' \| Techdirt		May 18 11:39
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467977464149336065	May 18 11:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough that's because they didn't compare it to hip hop like this http://t.co/XnFnvFnhHk @schestowitz		May 18 11:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| TEDxAldeburgh - Akala - Hip-Hop & Shakespeare? - YouTube		May 18 11:42
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467977909492539392	May 18 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz @20committee Yeh well American history has the bad stuff cut out and some good old nazi whooping and patriotism added.		May 18 11:45
schestowitz_log_	Wow, @20committee must be a satirical account. Only a damn ***ing fool would talk like this.	May 18 11:45
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467978493377404928	May 18 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz "is this a dagger I see before me", Yeh homie gimmie ya phone & wallet. Ghetto Shakespeare		May 18 11:46
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467978998329643008	May 18 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: ROTFL, @schestowitz RT Former #NSA Official Thinks A Blog Containing Nothing But His Own Tweets Is 'Defamatory' http://t.co/l5E2J7yaMk		May 18 11:47
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467980353588965376	May 18 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @SEEVed American stupid is where despite constant evidence the person believes themselves correct against all opposition.		May 18 11:54
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467981728506605570	May 18 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough 4 minute history lesson http://t.co/UMdmSNmleP @schestowitz		May 18 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Killer Mike - "Reagan" (Official Music Video) - YouTube		May 18 11:58
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467981755430240256	May 18 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: John R Schindler has a small Google Scholar presence. I found great JR Schindler deer browsing paper @schestowitz :) http://t.co/FRHYJtACFN		May 18 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.sciencedirect.com \| Influence of thorns and tannins on white-tailed deer browsing after mowing		May 18 11:58
schestowitz_log_	So @20committee not that bright. Maybe that's why he joined Nazi Surveillance/Assassination (NSA). Real Schindler's lists.	May 18 11:59
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467982378552414208	May 18 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough it is very politically active @schestowitz		May 18 12:01
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DaemonFC	http://www.poemofquotes.com/funny-quotes/aqua-teen-hunger-force-2.php	May 18 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.poemofquotes.com \| Funny Aqua Teen Hunger Force Quotes - Page 2 [ http://ur1.ca/hc8kk ]		May 18 12:05
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467983252788367361	May 18 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough this one goes after the Media after 9/11 http://t.co/zevQ3kHstS @schestowitz		May 18 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Makeshift Patriot - YouTube		May 18 12:05
DaemonFC	Master Shake: [rapping] Happy birthday Jesus / You are the one / Coming down to Earth / From planet Krypton / Rollin out tracks and getting it on / like the 'Wrath of Khan' with Ricardo Montalban / It rained fishes and loaves on the bitches and the hos / They said they want some mo' and he said, "Hell no!" / Yo I got the flow / You ghost ridin the whip / And you suckin on my-	May 18 12:06
DaemonFC	Michael: Okay, let's cut it there.	May 18 12:06
DaemonFC	Master Shake: [breathes] Whoo! I was hoping to get the word 'ding-dong' in on that take, but I ran out of breath.	May 18 12:06
schestowitz_log_	http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/big-data-beyond-the-nsa-106653.html?ml=po_r	May 18 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.com \| Who watches the watchers? Big Data goes unchecked - Josh Gerstein and Stephanie Simon - POLITICO.com [ http://ur1.ca/hc8t4 ]		May 18 12:21
schestowitz_log_	Jay Rockefeller pro NSA?	May 18 12:21
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467991888675762176	May 18 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: .@schestowitz @20committee All academics need to #CheckEgoAtDoor		May 18 12:40
schestowitz_log_	maybe he's inspired by his boss Michael Hayden	May 18 12:41
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/wbgleason/status/467993130844037120	May 18 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wbgleason: RT @dawnbazely: .@schestowitz @20committee All academics need to #CheckEgoAtDoor } Once in a very blue moon ...		May 18 12:45
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/467993755594014720	May 18 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Arlington: Birthplace of #NSA #Surveillance http://t.co/2WDYp5kGCh Arlington: the only place that ever took my fingerprints		May 18 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.arlnow.com \| Arlington: The Birthplace of NSA Surveillance \| ARLnow.com		May 18 12:46
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/20committee/status/467993954609553408	May 18 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: WINNER / RT @schestowitz: 20committee not that bright that's why he joined Nazi Surveillance/Assassination (NSA). Real Schindler's lists.		May 18 12:47
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467981755430240256	May 18 12:47
schestowitz_log_	"dumbass." Wow, it must be Hayden.	May 18 12:48
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/20committee/status/467994208822112256	May 18 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @dawnbazely @schestowitz Jason, dumbass		May 18 12:48
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Nel_Mezzo/status/467995038971355137\	May 18 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nel_Mezzo: @20committee @schestowitz has taken trolling to a whole new level. WINNER indeed.		May 18 12:55
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467995077806411776	May 18 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: .@schestowitz Tnx for heads up. That #CareBears banner's an idea for a whole new NSA/CSIS branding strategy! cc @20committee @wbgleason		May 18 12:55
schestowitz_log_	"Do not want!" (mass surveillance)	May 18 12:55
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467995840586723329	May 18 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee Or, possibly one of those auto-generated tweet responders. I think there's one for #PrincessBride fans 1/2		May 18 12:56
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467996350840590336	May 18 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee Prof. Schindler likely has never experienced anon student feedback from large pre-med courses cc @wbgleason		May 18 12:56
schestowitz_log_	Given what we see in leaks, the real "trolling" comes from people working with NSA inter alia	May 18 12:57
MinceR	geekings	May 18 12:57
schestowitz_log_	https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulatihttps://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/on/	May 18 12:58
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schestowitz_log_	https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/	May 18 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org \| How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gp1cn ]		May 18 12:59
schestowitz_log_	http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/blog/cyberbizblog/2014/05/the-nsa-wants-fewer-employees-driving-themselves.html	May 18 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com \| The NSA wants fewer employees driving themselves to work during rush hour - Baltimore Business Journal [ http://ur1.ca/hc9cr ]		May 18 13:00
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/nickkarras/status/467999995900469248	May 18 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nickkarras: @20committee @schestowitz ahh joy		May 18 13:14
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/468000782160515072	May 18 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee @wbgleason Yup/ Agatha Christie wouldn’t be surprised by this. She was v. wise & truly understood evil.		May 18 13:15
schestowitz_log_	Worry not, they're the Good Guys, so by definition they "meant well"	May 18 13:15
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/media/watch-bill-maher-reads-steamy-fair-and-balanced-conservative-porn	May 18 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| Watch: Bill Maher Reads Steamy 'Fair and Balanced' Conservative Porn \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/hc9hw ]		May 18 13:21
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/468002468270723072	May 18 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz wasn't it the CDU that shot down FOSS adoption on the German govt?		May 18 13:24
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/RightToBeForgot/status/468008824880648195	May 18 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RightToBeForgot: @schestowitz Corporations don't have data protection rights. Google is not free speech.		May 18 14:05
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468014899114016768	May 18 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @schestowitz John, you know these whiny manbabies secretly all want to be you.		May 18 14:11
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468016082826309632	May 18 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @dawnbazely @schestowitz Greenwald cultists are so clASSY aren't they?		May 18 14:16
schestowitz_log_	NSA critics are "cultists" now and also Greenwalf worshippers. NSA apologists live in a parallel universe.	May 18 14:17
schestowitz_log_	*wald	May 18 14:17
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/20committee/status/468016134210736128	May 18 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @ScottyBurberry @schestowitz #daretodream lol		May 18 14:17
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468017400483692544	May 18 14:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @20committee It's called life with solid neural pathways, free of haldol. You wouldn't understand.		May 18 14:19
schestowitz_log_	Right, because I'm too stupid and disqualified, just like all of Schindler's "opponents"	May 18 14:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu AIO DVD Has All Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Flavors	May 18 14:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu AIO DVD Has All Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Flavors on One Disk \| Tux Machines		May 18 14:20
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468017892915945472	May 18 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @20committee At least you recognize your shortcomings. Now, I don't tolerate whining and victim-playing in my TL so bye.		May 18 14:30
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468019233859710977	May 18 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @schestowitz I'm envious, John. You get more trolls than my Burberry leather jacket!		May 18 14:30
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/20committee/status/468019481185619968	May 18 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @ScottyBurberry @schestowitz Which is a big achievement! :)		May 18 14:31
schestowitz_log_	All your critics are "trolls". Just like to the NSA, opponents are "terrorists". #nsa #johnschindler	May 18 14:32
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/QuadCityPat/status/468020669012123648	May 18 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@QuadCityPat: @20committee @ScottyBurberry LOL Nazi Security Agency? Real Schindler's list? @schestowitz's studying Holocaust in 8th grade Social Studies		May 18 14:32
schestowitz_log_	NSA does the oppose of Schindler. It marks people for assassination based on broad criteria ("metadata").	May 18 14:33
schestowitz_log_	Perhaps the later (John) Schindler should take a lesson from his doctrate degree and grasp bad policies	May 18 14:34
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468020820217192448 https://twitter.com/QuadCityPat/status/468021041785094145	May 18 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @QuadCityPat @20committee @schestowitz He's all up in his feels this morning. I sense he didn't get laid last night.		May 18 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@QuadCityPat: @ScottyBurberry @20committee @schestowitz Indeed.		May 18 14:35
schestowitz_log_	your use of the language of schoolyard only diminishes your view	May 18 14:35
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/468021222232846337	May 18 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz Either forgotten or reduce ubiquitous state and corporate surveillance, there must be balance. How is surveillance redressed?		May 18 14:36
schestowitz_log_	Surveillance is above the law, uses secret courts that public would not tolerate if aware	May 18 14:36
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468022200302596096	May 18 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @QuadCityPat @20committee You can do better than this tepid hissyfit.		May 18 14:39
schestowitz_log_	plonked	May 18 14:39
schestowitz_log_	http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/17101895-libyan-general-linked-to-cia-launches-attacks-in-benghazi	May 18 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.allvoices.com \| Libyan general linked to CIA launches attacks in Benghazi [ http://ur1.ca/hcacw ]		May 18 14:39
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468022453282045952	May 18 14:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @QuadCityPat @20committee @schestowitz All this whining and they freely give very personal info to private corps		May 18 14:42
schestowitz_log_	Taking (passively, by another party) is not the same as one's giving. Very different.	May 18 14:43
schestowitz_log_	Or maybe you refer collectively to a lot of people who do give their data, based on misconceptions\	May 18 14:43
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/468026098958467072	May 18 14:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz For state yes, but "forgotten" also includes corporate surveillance/site scraping/replay attack/MITM issues for people.		May 18 14:54
msb_	"<schestowitz_log_> I'd say it's more ethical to download a copy than to buy from Amazon" One could download a copy and then send money to the author.	May 18 15:01
msb_	http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_15/GMO-related-activities-to-be-considered-as-terrorist-acts-in-Russia-9062/	May 18 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com \| GMO-related activities to be considered as terrorist acts in Russia - News - Russia - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/hcau4 ]		May 18 15:09
schestowitz	msb_: or donate to a snowden protection fund	May 18 15:48
schestowitz	or to the EFF which he supports	May 18 15:49
schestowitz	msb_: cheers https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4109833	May 18 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gmo #agentorange & #monopoly abuse has gotten #monsanto characterised as "terrorist" (defacement) in Wikipedia. Now http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_15/GMO-related-activities-to-be-considered-as-terrorist-acts-in-Russia-9062/		May 18 15:50
schestowitz	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8nd3BkEN6l8/U1z8D-jYfQI/AAAAAAAB53c/Lxu450h4K7E/s1600/gXrSZx3.gif	May 18 15:57
schestowitz	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4k80en6l91qzio10o1_500.jpg	May 18 15:59
schestowitz	https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/1003770_557208644316606_885207121_n.jpg	May 18 16:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/468043385392361472	May 18 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Tnx for educational fun! Hope you got your baiting in for day, @wbgleason :) Now I gotta finish my conference emails		May 18 16:03
schestowitz	they debate like a pack of hyenas	May 18 16:03
schestowitz	http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/3f/27/f7/3f27f7867515a30e07c76f39e362f3fb.jpg	May 18 16:04
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schestowitz	see @5150committee because it says a lot really	May 18 16:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/5150committee	May 18 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com \| Fake John Schindler (5150committee) on Twitter		May 18 16:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/466527789370593280	May 18 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@csoghoian: This is what a cyber warrior apparently looks like (via @semibogan) http://t.co/1oL939F9qZ		May 18 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@semibogan: Oh right. Apparently this is. http://t.co/gNKPIWSODO		May 18 16:45
schestowitz	L:OL https://twitter.com/5150committee/status/466408382317199363	May 18 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@FrancisJeffrey7 Nice try, but I sanitize my inputs;DROP TABLE FSBplots;		May 18 16:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/5150committee/status/466051288632152064	May 18 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@StephenAtHome @GGreenwald Question for my former colleagues at NSA: is it possible to use QUANTUM to get #CancelColbert trending again?		May 18 16:46
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/5150committee/status/464840161403342848	May 18 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@20committee On the one hand, this new policy is fascist and irrational. On the other hand, it might get Schindler to STFU. #moralDilemma		May 18 16:47
schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25G5tWEW5Dc	May 18 17:04
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schestowitz	http://31.media.tumblr.com/61db42ca731dde444bf231d2bc5fce5b/tumblr_n5i7heOD3M1sq5rugo1_500.gif\	May 18 17:10
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4109809	May 18 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ramil_rodaje@diasp.org: “Love is wise; hatred is foolish. In this world, which is getting more and more closely interconnected, we have to learn to tolerate each other, we have to learn to put up with the fact that some people say things that we don't like. We can only live together in that way. But if we are to live together, and not die together, we must learn a kind of charity and a kind of tolerance, which is absolutely vital to th		May 18 17:10
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schestowitz	https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1525426_654445647940034_333250287_n.jpg	May 18 17:12
MinceR	:>	May 18 17:14
cubezzz	good point from ramil	May 18 18:23
schestowitz__	it's a British philosopher he's quoting	May 18 18:38
cubezzz	ah	May 18 18:39
cubezzz	bertrand russell	May 18 18:40
schestowitz__	yep	May 18 18:41
schestowitz__	good one	May 18 18:41
schestowitz__	ahead of his time	May 18 18:41
schestowitz__	esp. when disregard for religions	May 18 18:42
schestowitz__	back when it was ok to use "I'm offended" to censor the speaker, like today's Islam	May 18 18:42
msb_	But that kind of tolerance, while it would work in a small town where people know and understand one another, is not sufficient for larger systems like nations and the world.	May 18 18:49
msb_	The problem is psychopaths.	May 18 18:49
msb_	Psychopaths have no empathy nor conscience, and many of them enjoy harming others and making them suffer.	May 18 18:50
msb_	They are also control freaks. They often seek positions of power, and lie, cheat, steal, and kill to get as high in the structure as they can.	May 18 18:51
cubezzz	psychopath is a bit strong	May 18 18:52
cubezzz	sociopath is more likely	May 18 18:52
cubezzz	a full blown psycho wouldn't be able to function too well in society	May 18 18:52
msb_	The psychopaths in charge of the US government have murdered at least 2,000,000 people in this century alone.	May 18 18:53
msb_	That's very strong.	May 18 18:53
msb_	The word "psycho" confuses "psychopath" with "psychotic". It should not be used. Psychotics are delusional and can be easily recognized.	May 18 18:54
msb_	Many psychopaths are very good at hiding their true nature and goals, and passing as human. But they aren't actually human.	May 18 18:55
cubezzz	you're right, that's a good point	May 18 18:56
msb_	They aren't humane. They don't have humanity. They don't empathize with the human race.	May 18 18:56
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msb_	This is a very good video about how they have come to control and shape our society and culture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdY	May 18 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ]		May 18 18:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FUDCon Beijing 2014 featuring Richard Stallman	May 18 19:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FUDCon Beijing 2014 featuring Richard Stallman \| Tux Machines		May 18 19:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Univention Corporate Server 3.2-2 Is Free and	May 18 19:18
TweetTuxMachines	Based on Debian 6.0.9 http://t.co/VuU8qzRruz	May 18 19:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qt 5.3 Will Hopefully Be Released Early Next	May 18 19:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Cloudsto EVO is a $160 Linux mini PC with VGA output \| Tux Machines		May 18 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| xfsprogs: v3.2.0 released! \| Tux Machines		May 18 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Univention Corporate Server 3.2-2 Is Free and Based on Debian 6.0.9 \| Tux Machines		May 18 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Qt 5.3 Will Hopefully Be Released Early Next Week \| Tux Machines		May 18 19:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GParted Live 0.18.0-5 Is Now Based on Linux	May 18 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel 3.14.4 http://t.co/OdZBFzbfjw	May 18 20:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Lines Up More Graphics Changes For Linux	May 18 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	3.16 http://t.co/BMb6B2IQFy	May 18 20:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tails 1.0 review – total privacy	May 18 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BdOlCdtyfn	May 18 20:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GParted Live 0.18.0-5 Is Now Based on Linux Kernel 3.14.4 \| Tux Machines		May 18 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat, Unlike Coca-Cola, Should Have No	May 18 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	Secret Formula http://t.co/jnYJo50fo8	May 18 20:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xiaomi launches the MiPad: Android powered	May 18 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel Lines Up More Graphics Changes For Linux 3.16 \| Tux Machines		May 18 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	Tegra K1 Tablet http://t.co/GFfCAhIzsf	May 18 20:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tails 1.0 review – total privacy \| Tux Machines		May 18 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Major Movement For GNU/Linux On Desktops In	May 18 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	Canada http://t.co/Z5VW7qeCPH	May 18 20:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat, Unlike Coca-Cola, Should Have No Secret Formula \| Tux Machines		May 18 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Xiaomi launches the MiPad: Android powered Tegra K1 Tablet \| Tux Machines		May 18 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Major Movement For GNU/Linux On Desktops In Canada \| Tux Machines		May 18 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.0 Beta Can Easily Replace Windows	May 18 21:15
TweetTuxMachines	XP – Screenshot Tour http://t.co/jr7TbfkDKt	May 18 21:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement http://t.co/NvBvwutsBi	May 18 21:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tux3 Under Review, Offered For Mainline Linux	May 18 21:15
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel http://t.co/8sJY4rVLJ8	May 18 21:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Has a New Way of Dealing with	May 18 21:15
TweetTuxMachines	History and Bookmars for the Internet Browser	May 18 21:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Lite 2.0 Beta Can Easily Replace Windows XP – Screenshot Tour \| Tux Machines		May 18 21:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 4.0.1 Embedded System Is Now Based on	May 18 21:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ACPI CPUfreq vs. Intel P-State Scaling With	May 18 21:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GhostBSD 4.0-ALPHA3 now available	May 18 21:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Frameworks 5 Added To Arch, Plasma Next Is	May 18 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	Coming http://t.co/yGrdBnoJbk	May 18 21:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Graphics Installer for Linux 1.0.5 Brings	May 18 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	Support for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	May 18 21:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines VirtualBox 4.3.12 Brings Better Performance on	May 18 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu 14.04 LTS http://t.co/veEyxIRFX2	May 18 21:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Live CDs, the One Feature Microsoft and	May 18 22:30
TweetTuxMachines	Apple Haven't Copied Yet http://t.co/EAfpreZafe	May 18 22:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcd71	May 18 22:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/BefbaVwT67	May 18 22:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/gHDXW9ou8m	May 18 22:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcd74	May 18 22:30
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MinceR	gn	May 19 00:04
DaemonFC	I was discussing DRM on #ubuntu-offtopic.	May 19 00:33
DaemonFC	Me: dwatkins, If nothing else, you can take your webcam/cell phone/camcorder/etc and point it at the screen.	May 19 00:33
DaemonFC	So, to even pretend that this crap works is just totally stupid, but that's how companies think.	May 19 00:33
DaemonFC	Well, Apple took out a patent on recognizing copyrighted material and disabling your iPhone camera a while back.	May 19 00:33
DaemonFC	I don't know if the iPhone currently does that, but since there's software updates, any malicious thing it's not doing now could be added later.	May 19 00:33
DaemonFC	Like iBeacon was. The hardware was there in iPhone 4, just dormant.	May 19 00:33
DaemonFC	It's not too hard to imagine the police sending a signal to shut off your iPhone camera while they're beating you up. It saves them from having to delete the video later, and possibly have the user recover it from the file system.	May 19 00:33
DaemonFC	Well, and people being how they are, which is utterly depressing, will accept that abuse the day it arrives.	May 19 00:35
DaemonFC	And some will even try to make excuses for a device that is disobeying the owner in even more horrible ways.	May 19 00:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SlateKit Base OS Released For The Nexus 7	May 19 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	Tablet http://t.co/dzFGdKQpSS	May 19 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcdxv	May 19 01:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/cQs7JU7t5N	May 19 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcdxw	May 19 01:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Is Now Running on World's Fastest	May 19 01:43
TweetTuxMachines	Supercomputer http://t.co/9SaORJnCz6	May 19 01:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcdxx	May 19 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Is Now Running on World's Fastest Supercomputer \| Tux Machines		May 19 01:43
DaemonFC	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chilean-activist-destroys-student-debt-papers-worth-500m-9391907.html	May 19 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk \| Chilean activist destroys student debt papers worth $500m - Americas - World - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/hcdzv ]		May 19 01:54
DaemonFC	Beautiful!	May 19 01:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon and MATE screenshot	May 19 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	preview http://t.co/XZyhqXgXKI	May 19 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hceug	May 19 05:56
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MinceR	geekings	May 19 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AST DRM Display Driver Updated For Linux 3.16	May 19 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PKRsNlgwti	May 19 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcg6v	May 19 11:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@go2n The KDE Daily News is out!	May 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FKH5s4xkDq Stories via	May 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	@yethikephyo007 @tuxmachines @celestelynpaul	May 19 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| The KDE Daily News		May 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcg6w	May 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Another date for your diary is the Open World	May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	Forum in October- http://t.co/5SamtXDes6.	May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	@Mark_Antony will be there again this year.	May 19 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openworldforum.org \| Open World Forum 2014		May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcga7	May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Very pleased to add Europol to our support	May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	customers after a successful onsite deployment	May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	project.	May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcga8	May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp If you have any support needs then do get in	May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	touch. We provide 24/support for some great	May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	organisations- http://t.co/DsKAeavNDK	May 19 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcga9	May 19 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.siriusopensource.com \| A selection of Sirius Clients \| www.siriusopensource.com		May 19 11:20
Sosumi	joke of the day	May 19 11:25
Sosumi	Garry's Mod and Rust creator touts the trashcan pro as the way to go	May 19 11:27
Sosumi	meanwhile the mac the mac version of those games performed like a crap	May 19 11:28
Sosumi	compared to the windows version	May 19 11:28
Sosumi	to the point they needed to hire an external team to do the porting	May 19 11:28
MinceR	lol	May 19 11:40
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msb_	Where's that picture (or was it a video) of the naked guy caressing the Mac Pro in bed? I can't find it.	May 19 12:08
Sosumi	that was disgusting	May 19 12:45
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msb_	The computer was less than a year old, so it was pedophilia.	May 19 13:06
Sosumi	well at least he didn't stuff his arss with it	May 19 13:32
Sosumi	or just didn't put pictures of himself doing that	May 19 13:33
Sosumi	but there is simply no reason to buy a macpro now	May 19 13:36
Sosumi	for example	May 19 13:36
Sosumi	the D700 firepros on the trashcan (rebranded underclocked 7970) score 3781 on luxmark	May 19 13:37
Sosumi	while two 290x score 5058	May 19 13:38
Sosumi	so, whoever goes with the apple option	May 19 13:39
Sosumi	you're just overpaying for underclocked hardware	May 19 13:40
Sosumi	and now	May 19 13:40
Sosumi	outdated gpus	May 19 13:40
Sosumi	and that is why the last mac pro tower	May 19 13:42
Sosumi	can beat the trashcan	May 19 13:42
Sosumi	because it has pci-express slots	May 19 13:42
Sosumi	and isn't thermically crippled	May 19 13:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp We are recruiting for full time Linux	May 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	Engineers, if you are interested then please e	May 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	mail us at jobs@siriusit.co.uk	May 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hch9r	May 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 16 - The most complete and easy to	May 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	use operating system http://t.co/WymAOVAKeI	May 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hch9s	May 19 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 16 - The most complete and easy to use operating system \| Tux Machines		May 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Preview of GhostBSD 4.0 http://t.co/ukNiTQcVJH	May 19 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hch9t	May 19 14:38
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4113284	May 19 18:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tiny predators http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1400470038642049_tall.jpg		May 19 18:13
schestowitz__	" http://www.ufunk.net/artistes/glass-microbiology-luke-jerram/ "	May 19 18:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ufunk.net \| Les virus les plus mortels en sculptures de verre… \| Ufunk.net		May 19 18:13
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4111617	May 19 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Remember the Tube TV? ![](http://37.media.tumblr.com/418d37b05fdeded47c6de89b91e4db0a/tumblr_n2dcvq0q8D1rs73ero1_500.gif) #gif		May 19 18:14
schestowitz__	"So easy to operate and repair that it makes gnu/linux look hard? Ha!"	May 19 18:14
schestowitz__	https://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/george-walkden/case-open-access	May 19 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pirateparty.org.uk \| The Case for Open Access. \| The Pirate Party [ http://ur1.ca/h9e4l ]		May 19 18:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Slowmo Linux Desktop http://t.co/KoYgVwpRjB	May 19 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hciym	May 19 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Slowmo Linux Desktop \| Tux Machines		May 19 19:21
cubezzz	since it's the 40th anniversary of the cube I'll share my gallery of various cube programs:	May 19 19:30
cubezzz	http://maxhost.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=15	May 19 19:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Survey Finds, Again, that Ubuntu Is the Most	May 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	Common OpenStack Platform	May 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oJuFHhXqiJ	May 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjar	May 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source code helps governments share	May 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	information with citizens	May 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DKLYvF0q7K	May 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjas	May 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Free Linux training http://t.co/vMi0BYjr7t	May 19 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjat	May 19 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Survey Finds, Again, that Ubuntu Is the Most Common OpenStack Platform \| Tux Machines		May 19 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source code helps governments share information with citizens \| Tux Machines		May 19 20:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This Album Is So Exclusive That Listeners	May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	Must Hack Linux To Hear It	May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IyFIyaSwhW	May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjfj	May 19 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| This Album Is So Exclusive That Listeners Must Hack Linux To Hear It \| Tux Machines		May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 50 ways that MIT has transformed computer	May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	science http://t.co/osD7NMhJAv	May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjfk	May 19 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 50 ways that MIT has transformed computer science \| Tux Machines		May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Terry Hancock on Free Software and Free Culture	May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	[Interview] http://t.co/LAUaesCA7x	May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjfm	May 19 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Terry Hancock on Free Software and Free Culture [Interview] \| Tux Machines		May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung ships more than half a million Galaxy	May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	Gear smartwatches in Q1 2014	May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/j8K4FWQZVp	May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjfn	May 19 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung ships more than half a million Galaxy Gear smartwatches in Q1 2014 \| Tux Machines		May 19 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Archos offers up 10.1-inch ArcBook Android	May 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	laptop for $169.99 http://t.co/zgyklu03mB	May 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjix	May 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Knox tapped by UK gov for public sector	May 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ilOAlULDAY	May 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjiy	May 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Takes to the Skies in Drones	May 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/L86pelD8JF	May 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjiz	May 19 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Archos offers up 10.1-inch ArcBook Android laptop for $169.99 \| Tux Machines		May 19 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung Knox tapped by UK gov for public sector \| Tux Machines		May 19 20:40
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abeNd-org	so did you guys cover the "reimage all the things" at emory this past week?	May 19 20:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tux3 Gets Harshly Criticized Over Code Quality	May 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GC7phJtNiy	May 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjrp	May 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The desktop and the developer	May 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OWM1iJyYcJ	May 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjrq	May 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 6-Way Desktop Comparison On Linux Mint 17	May 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fR87hImwZs	May 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjrr	May 19 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tux3 Gets Harshly Criticized Over Code Quality \| Tux Machines		May 19 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The desktop and the developer \| Tux Machines		May 19 21:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/LaJe9r1TzF	May 19 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjsx	May 19 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/ploGekmF6I	May 19 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjsy	May 19 21:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines locale changes in plasma next	May 19 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AETtdMsA7z	May 19 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjsz	May 19 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines	That sound you hear is #reiserfs devs laughing	May 20 02:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.2.2 Beta Is a Linux Distro with a Fresh	May 20 02:29
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msb_	Amazing! The "free market" doesn't work! http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/where-worlds-unsold-cars-go-die	May 20 03:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Systemd Saga, Into the Vortex, and a Minty	May 20 09:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qt 5.3 Released http://t.co/mX61CAqzXW	May 20 09:00
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msb_	Wow! Systemd -- controls the entire Linux system, takes over the functions of a dozen or more previous separate programs, keeps its log in binary... What could possibly go wrong?	May 20 09:22
msb_	http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-Neverending-Systemd-Saga-80472.html	May 20 09:25
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msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd	May 20 09:26
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MinceR	it could be adopted by distros :>	May 20 09:26
MinceR	geekings	May 20 09:26
msb_	Apparently it has been: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption	May 20 09:27
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MinceR	yeah, unfortunately	May 20 09:28
Snowleaksange	tell those kids to stay off my init.d lawn :)	May 20 09:30
msb_	The cgroups system, which systemd uses, creates groups of processes, each subject to resource limitations and (if desired) collection of information for billing purposes. Apparently the previous system of each process having a unique ID (PID) is abandoned.	May 20 09:46
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cgroups	May 20 09:46
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MinceR	afaik PIDs are still there	May 20 09:48
MinceR	but some new controls are based on cgroups	May 20 09:48
msb_	Then there's KDE4, far more complex than KDE3, but it doesn't give you 20 virtual desktops whose names you can see in the switcher applet so you could switch between desktops rapidly. Multiple desktops to give you separate uncluttered workspaces for your various different activities was one of the great advantages of Linux. Still is, if you use KDE3 or Trinity.	May 20 09:50
msb_	systemd, cgroups, and KDE4 all seem to be governed by the principle that software must continually be "improved", even if that means increase in complexity, and decrease in ease of use. And decrease in people's ability to understand it and fix problems.	May 20 09:58
MinceR	also, increasing monolithicity	May 20 09:59
msb_	Yes!	May 20 09:59
msb_	These particular "improvements" -- which show no signs of ever ending -- are like uncontrollable cancers growing on what used to be a simple healthy organism.	May 20 10:01
msb_	cubezzz: Are you there? This is right up your alley!	May 20 10:02
msb_	What happened to the principles of "Keep it simple, stupid" and "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" ?	May 20 10:04
Snowleaksange	i just wrote a terminal. now working browser. maybe someday xwm or whole os	May 20 10:05
MinceR	:)	May 20 10:05
msb_	Snowleaksange: Good for you! Do these have better security or something?	May 20 10:06
Snowleaksange	in some interpretations	May 20 10:06
Snowleaksange	its way less lines of source code than alternatives	May 20 10:06
msb_	Nice.	May 20 10:07
msb_	It's fun to write software. But it's not nice to jam it into GNU/Linux if it's not necessary.	May 20 10:09
Snowleaksange	it also fetches image links for mouse over image rendering (faster than clicking on clickable url)	May 20 10:10
Snowleaksange	probably saves... minutes a day if you visit a lot of image links, which someties i do on chat rooms	May 20 10:10
msb_	On the other hand, some web pages are getting very annoying by doing pop-ups just from moving the cursor over something, without pressing any buttons. Often hides the link you were trying to click on.	May 20 10:12
msb_	IMDB is now doing this.	May 20 10:13
msb_	And I have popup windows blocked in firefox preferences.	May 20 10:14
msb_	I think amazon does it too.	May 20 10:14
msb_	Snowleaksange: Not to detract from your work. I'd just want it switchable.	May 20 10:17
msb_	There are a lot of pages now with popups telling you to inform facebook, tweeter (?), and other social sites about their content. Some of these hide the content until you click on an "x" in the corner.	May 20 10:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Mark & Simon are onsite with one of our managed	May 20 13:07
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TweetTuxMachines	management meeting.	May 20 13:07
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cubezzz	msb_, what's that?	May 20 17:58
cubezzz	well I talked about Unix philosophy	May 20 17:58
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-philosophy.txt	May 20 17:59
cubezzz	most distros have diverged from that a fair amount	May 20 17:59
cubezzz	"Avoid captive user interfaces"	May 20 18:01
cubezzz	you've got a generation of *nix folks that don't understand the actual underpinnings of the os	May 20 18:05
cubezzz	the KDE4 stuff is just poor, I'm not even going to talk about that	May 20 18:07
cubezzz	the first diversion was System V versus BSD	May 20 18:09
cubezzz	sockets vs streams, tty vs termio	May 20 18:10
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cubezzz	in 1998 there was a confidential memo from Microsoft which stated "Linux is on track to eventually own the x86 Unix market"	May 20 18:13
cubezzz	so the SVR4 versions of Unix become far less important	May 20 18:14
cubezzz	if you want solaris style then there's opensxce	May 20 18:15
cubezzz	ok, so to summarize, these are the operating systems that currently have available source code:	May 20 18:19
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/os-with-source-code.txt	May 20 18:19
msb_	cubezzz: I was specifically talking about systemd, cgroups, and KDE4. With systemd controlling the entire Linux system, taking over the functions of a dozen or more previous separate programs, and keeping its log in binary.	May 20 18:20
msb_	Rather than go back to a much different system like Solaris, it seems to me that just eliminating systemd and KDE4 (or making them optional) would be a good way for a distro to go.	May 20 18:22
cubezzz	right, but my point was that these sorts of diversions have occurred before	May 20 18:23
cubezzz	I think in Linux you'll always have choices	May 20 18:24
msb_	Yes, but those were years ago and we've gotten used to the additional complications.	May 20 18:24
msb_	Even udev, which does allow you to move disks between ports, or make them plug-in, and keep their same mountpoints in the file system, if I understand correctly.	May 20 18:25
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msb_	So far, OpenSuse is still making KDE3 available, and if it doesn't, Trinity seems to be working well for various distros.	May 20 18:26
msb_	I don't know if the KDE4 devs will perversely make their apps stop working with KDE3.	May 20 18:27
msb_	I don't know how much hell cgroups causes, or if it can be dialled down to the standard 32K array of PIDs.	May 20 18:28
msb_	If it can, then the remaining problem is systemd, which a lot of people are objecting to, and which severely violates numerous principles of Unix Philosophy.	May 20 18:30
cubezzz	exactly so	May 20 18:30
cubezzz	there's CentOS 6, that's got a trinity version	May 20 18:31
cubezzz	this is the reason I run old software in tandem with newer distros	May 20 18:32
cubezzz	gives one a different perspective	May 20 18:32
msb_	Trinity is available for lots of popular distros: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/	May 20 18:33
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cubezzz	hardly anyone runs the Thompson shell but the neat thing is you still can :)	May 20 18:34
msb_	For firing commands rapidly?	May 20 18:35
cubezzz	it had one big advantage	May 20 18:36
cubezzz	it used less memory than all the other shells	May 20 18:36
msb_	Yes, with source code, and the ability to compile it, and bring in particular libraries -- even old versions of them -- Unix/Linux has a lot of flexibility.	May 20 18:37
cubezzz	there used to be a 2^18 addressing limit	May 20 18:37
msb_	Was that from PDP-6 and -10 ?	May 20 18:38
cubezzz	PDP-11/40, not sure about PDP-10 off the top of my head	May 20 18:39
cubezzz	PDP-7 was the original Unix box	May 20 18:39
msb_	IIRC it had 36-bit words.	May 20 18:39
msb_	Now with single-board-computers able to run Linux for less than $50, small memory size for various softwares could be very useful.	May 20 18:42
cubezzz	there's ELKS if you want really really small linux	May 20 18:42
cubezzz	just discovered it yesterday :)	May 20 18:42
cubezzz	you _had_ to be efficient on the PDP-7	May 20 18:43
cubezzz	my understanding is about Unix is it went like this:	May 20 18:45
cubezzz	PDP-7, PDP-11/20, PDP-11/40, PDP-11/45, PDP-11/70	May 20 18:45
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embeddable_Linux_Kernel_Subset	May 20 18:45
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cubezzz	then v7 was ported to Vax	May 20 18:45
msb_	It looks like ELKS can even run without a memory manager.	May 20 18:46
cubezzz	yes, it can run on plain ol' 8086	May 20 18:46
msb_	The IBM-PC shall rise again!	May 20 18:47
cubezzz	PDP-11/45 introduced the MMU I think	May 20 18:48
cubezzz	but the PDP-11/40 had a simpler MMU, so I guess that could be the first	May 20 18:49
msb_	Well, that gives hope that even after the Apocalypse, when all semiconductors have been fried, we can still run Linux on 12AX7s.	May 20 18:49
cubezzz	PDP-11/10 was interesting: no BIOS or boot rom :)	May 20 18:50
msb_	And, of course, CRTs.	May 20 18:50
msb_	How'd it get started?	May 20 18:50
cubezzz	toggle in the bootstrap loader from the front panel	May 20 18:50
msb_	Console switches and paper tape?	May 20 18:50
msb_	Ah, those were the good old days!	May 20 18:51
cubezzz	you probably had to toggle stuff in before you could use paper tape	May 20 18:51
msb_	When it was important that console switches had smooth edges to avoid finger abrasion.	May 20 18:51
cubezzz	so with the 2^18 limit you had 256K of memory	May 20 18:52
msb_	That should be plenty for anybody.	May 20 18:53
cubezzz	well, no giant memory hole for the display :)	May 20 18:53
msb_	Hopefully it had its own address space.	May 20 18:53
cubezzz	well they used the DZ11 asynchronous multiplexer with RS232 terminals	May 20 18:55
cubezzz	no frame buffer as such	May 20 18:55
cubezzz	this is PDP-11/45 Unibus, the original Unix v7 machine	May 20 18:56
msb_	But with a frame buffer you could have 512x256x16bit video, pretty much NTSC quality (if i'm figuring correctly). That	May 20 18:57
msb_	's adequate for movies.	May 20 18:57
msb_	Although not ideal.	May 20 18:57
cubezzz	sure, fine for 4:3 movies :)	May 20 18:57
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cubezzz	actually on Q22-bus you could have 1024x864	May 20 18:59
msb_	When we tell our grandchildren around the campfire about 1920x1080 x264s, they'll just think we're making it up.	May 20 19:00
cubezzz	you could run that on PDP 11/83	May 20 19:01
cubezzz	older stuff like PDP-11/45 I don't think there was any way to even have a frame buffer	May 20 19:02
cubezzz	there were "intelligent terminals"	May 20 19:04
cubezzz	give it another 20 years and kids won't know what a CRT was :)	May 20 19:07
msb_	Have you seen the wonderful "Quarantine" episode of 1985 Twilight zone? All about alternate technologies. It's in 3 parts on youtube, starting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQTicO-alU	May 20 19:08
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cubezzz	msb_, did you know that CP/M completely disappeared in 1987?	May 20 19:08
cubezzz	in 1986 there was still a few ads	May 20 19:09
msb_	Replaced by PC-DOS.	May 20 19:09
msb_	"Quarantine" is amazingly political, too.	May 20 19:10
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msb_	Please watch it everyone. It's one of the best TV programs ever made.	May 20 19:11
abeNd-org	which one?	May 20 19:13
cubezzz	msb_, yes I'm studying the late 80s era, it's interesting	May 20 19:13
msb_	CRTs were displays you could fix, if you had a schematic and and oscilloscope. Instead of just throwing them away and buying another.	May 20 19:13
msb_	Of course they could also give you a hernia.	May 20 19:13
cubezzz	you still have some CRTs I presume?	May 20 19:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Launches "Bald Eagle" R-Series APUs, Talks	May 20 19:14
TweetTuxMachines	Up Linux http://t.co/Bn0Lhr2Qcz	May 20 19:14
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abeNd-org	im just glad CRT popularity ended at 17", those werent too bad to haul around	May 20 19:14
abeNd-org	it was rare people wanted a 19" or larger	May 20 19:14
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cubezzz	ha, Amiga 1080 is actually pretty light :)	May 20 19:14
msb_	abeNd-org: The "Quarantine" episode of 1985 Twilight zone. All about alternate technologies. It's in 3 parts on youtube, starting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQTicO-alU	May 20 19:14
cubezzz	only 14" though	May 20 19:15
cubezzz	we had alternative tech, it's not twilight zone stuff :)	May 20 19:15
abeNd-org	we had some people at the bank that wanted 21", told them they could come down to the dock, pick it up, & set it up themselves	May 20 19:15
msb_	I forget whether I still have an old CRT. Flat-screens of the same size got so cheap...	May 20 19:16
MinceR	i have a crt on my desk but i haven't turned it on for years	May 20 19:18
cubezzz	it will be interesting to see if LCD's can last as long as a CRT	May 20 19:18
msb_	I even gave away my first flat-screen, a Sony which I'd gotten cheap because the owners had hooked up the cables wrong and the colors were messed up. But it was very heavy.	May 20 19:18
MinceR	how long did crts last?	May 20 19:18
cubezzz	MinceR, my 14" one for amiga is still working	May 20 19:19
cubezzz	made on Nov 1985	May 20 19:19
MinceR	the best crt i had broke long ago	May 20 19:19
MinceR	that's when i bought my first lcd monitor	May 20 19:19
msb_	Maybe 5 years of continuous operation, until they got too dim. Unless something else went wrong with them.	May 20 19:19
MinceR	cubezzz: how often do you use it?	May 20 19:20
abeNd-org	i still have a pair of 20" dell, the first ones they came out with, still going strong	May 20 19:20
cubezzz	MinceR, uh, pretty often up until around 1992 :)	May 20 19:20
cubezzz	nowadays it's maybe a couple of hours per month	May 20 19:21
cubezzz	when EGA came out I used the amiga less	May 20 19:21
cubezzz	yeah a quality CRT should last a while	May 20 19:27
msb_	I wonder if ceramic vacuum-tube triode wafers could be made with photolithography. Layers for cathodes, grids, and anodes, and a couple for interconnects. If they would work with cold cathodes, they wouldn't have to be heated. But I guess that requires high voltage.	May 20 19:27
msb_	Are there semiconductor cathodes that emit electrons into a vacuum?	May 20 19:29
msb_	You could get hundreds of tiny triodes onto a 4" wafer stack. Equal to several MSI chips. We could build a PDP-11!	May 20 19:33
msb_	Immune to EMPs!	May 20 19:34
cubezzz	what about the core memory?	May 20 19:35
cubezzz	wouldn't the EMP mess it up?	May 20 19:35
msb_	Only temporarily.	May 20 19:35
msb_	Just have to reset it all.	May 20 19:36
msb_	I meant that an EMP wouldn't destroy it, not that it could keep running through one.	May 20 19:36
msb_	I don't know if those teensy triodes could carry enough current to switch cores, though.	May 20 19:37
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DaemonFC	" I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois." -Peter Griffin, Family Guy	May 20 19:38
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/468811197190766592	May 20 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz GNOME3 needs as much help as it can get. :P		May 20 19:39
MinceR	the teensi conductors would melt	May 20 19:39
MinceR	s/nsi/nsy/	May 20 19:39
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/468811433363648512 https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/468811540255494144	May 20 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz " With Windows Server accounting for 45.8% of overall server market share today, Microsoft could similarly leverage that..."		May 20 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz "to unfairly gain dominance. Precisely because of this potential, Microsoft was forced to launch an SVVP program..."		May 20 19:39
DaemonFC	14 minutes ago	May 20 19:39
DaemonFC	I told Sprint that their service in Fort Wayne sucks. They got back to me blaming divine intervention and feral dogs running the streets, apparently. Lol	May 20 19:39
DaemonFC	It's not Detroit, Sprint...	May 20 19:39
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/468811634174345217 https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/468811886688219136	May 20 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz for certifying third party virtualization technologies against Windows Server..."		May 20 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz "In the case of Microsoft, predatory behavior was avoided – one hopes the same will be the case for Red Hat." #LOL		May 20 19:39
schestowitz__	LOL an understatement. Look what Microsoft bribery to Novell did for Hyper-V and virt in general.	May 20 19:40
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/TibsterAU/status/468712341425491968 https://twitter.com/craigless2/status/468711750393544706	May 20 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TibsterAU: @craigless2 @schestowitz Money money money..but it aint funny. Environmental vandalism legitamised very irregularly. Water is precious.		May 20 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@craigless2: @schestowitz @TibsterAU why can't they and coal or any miners, just stay away from suburbia, water tables or food belts ?		May 20 19:41
msb_	MinceR: I think the teensy cathodes couldn't emit enough current to switch cores.	May 20 19:42
MinceR	well, i don't know :)	May 20 19:42
cubezzz	they're still improving LCD tech so...	May 20 19:42
msb_	You'd at least need bigger ones on the periphery of the chip.	May 20 19:43
cubezzz	quantum dots seems to be the current buzz-word	May 20 19:43
msb_	And this is all assuming that there's some kind of cathode that will emit a decent amount of electrons without heat or high voltage.	May 20 19:43
cubezzz	msb_, basically what I what to see is more reliable, more repairable tech	May 20 19:43
DaemonFC	shared a link via Think Progress.	May 20 19:45
DaemonFC	6 seconds ago	May 20 19:45
DaemonFC	http://thkpr.gs/1qSEbCz	May 20 19:45
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DaemonFC	And another one gone, and another one gone	May 20 19:45
DaemonFC	Another one bites the dust	May 20 19:45
DaemonFC	Hey, I'm gonna get you too	May 20 19:45
DaemonFC	Another one bites the dust	May 20 19:45
DaemonFC	19 down (plus DC), 31 to go.	May 20 19:45
DaemonFC	WOOT! WOOT!	May 20 19:45
DaemonFC	Bonus: The judge was appointed by Adolf Hitler Lite, err, George W. Bush.	May 20 19:45
msb_	cubezzz: If all semiconductors get fried, then working up to current wafer-fab plants might take decades.	May 20 19:48
msb_	If the cathode problem and vacuum seal problem could be solved, then triode wafers might get us back to $50,000 minicomputers sooner than that.	May 20 19:50
cubezzz	msb_, for that matter a severe solar storm could take out the electrical grid	May 20 19:50
DaemonFC	2 secs ·	May 20 19:51
DaemonFC	I posted on Sprint's wall....	May 20 19:51
DaemonFC	"Acts of God"?......"I am God, coming down from on high to personally mess up your Sprint tower! I slay me! Hahahahaha!!!!" -God	May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE’s Plasma Next gets a new icon theme from	May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	Nitrux http://t.co/8sAdfM3h3p	May 20 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu community manager Jono Bacon leaves	May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical to join Xprize http://t.co/UGy6O6CAEL	May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcq09	May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Quick Look: Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon	May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/goRaWHdaL0	May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcq0a	May 20 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE’s Plasma Next gets a new icon theme from Nitrux \| Tux Machines		May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unreal Engine 4.2 feature preview shows	May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	inclusion of Vehicles & Camera Animations	May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PfgghHmV1W	May 20 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcq0b	May 20 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu community manager Jono Bacon leaves Canonical to join Xprize \| Tux Machines		May 20 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Quick Look: Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon \| Tux Machines		May 20 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Quick Look: Unity for Arch	May 20 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yGk4sBfjq8	May 20 19:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Unreal Engine 4.2 feature preview shows inclusion of Vehicles & Camera Animations \| Tux Machines		May 20 19:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.10 Will Target Qt 5.3 Support	May 20 19:52
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcq0d	May 20 19:52
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msb_	Right. But if it didn't fry all the electronics, just the big transformers, we could still have local electricity from solar and gasoline generators.	May 20 19:52
msb_	...and use our computers.	May 20 19:52
MinceR	unless they needed a controller to run :>	May 20 19:52
DaemonFC	"Take that, unbeliever! No 4G LTE for you! That will teach you to be impudent! Straight Talk customers who pay $45 a month will run rings around your $100 a month Sprint. HAHAHA! You will be doomed to buffer Youtube videos for eternity!" -God	May 20 19:53
DaemonFC	"Acts of God"?......"I am God, coming down from on high to personally mess up your Sprint tower! I slay me! Hahahahaha!!!!" -God	May 20 19:53
msb_	cubezzz was talking about a solar storm, which would knock out the big transformers of the power grid.	May 20 19:53
msb_	But I don't think it would destroy small electronic boxes like computers or gas-generator controllers.	May 20 19:54
MinceR	ic	May 20 19:54
msb_	A solar flare would induce a big DC surge that would melt the long-lines transformers.	May 20 19:55
cubezzz	I don't think there's been any big nuclear bomb tests lately?	May 20 19:55
MinceR	it won't be a test :>	May 20 19:55
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event	May 20 19:55
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cubezzz	with shortwave we should always be able to communicate with someone	May 20 19:56
DaemonFC	yeah, ghosts	May 20 19:56
DaemonFC	I saw that in a Mel Gibson movie once!	May 20 19:57
cubezzz	we survived the 80s :)	May 20 19:57
MinceR	:>	May 20 19:57
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DaemonFC	If you don't count the continuation of Reaganism into the 90s and 2000s, then sure.	May 20 19:57
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to _Goblin		May 20 19:58
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_storms#Electric_grid	May 20 19:58
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DaemonFC	a few seconds ago	May 20 20:00
DaemonFC	Apparently, Huntington has a boil advisory on the water, because human and animal feces has contaminated the source.	May 20 20:00
DaemonFC	The utility worker said that it had been going on for 12 days and nobody had gotten around to telling us out here until now.	May 20 20:00
DaemonFC	I said, "It probably took them 12 days to notice because Huntington water tastes like shit, year round.".	May 20 20:00
DaemonFC	So, that might be why I was sick last week.	May 20 20:00
msb_	DaemonFC: What was the Mel Gibson movie with ghosts?	May 20 20:00
DaemonFC	It might have been called Radio or something, I don't know. It was a long time ago.	May 20 20:00
DaemonFC	Late 90s maybe? I only saw the trailer.	May 20 20:01
DaemonFC	Mel Gibson is a fucking fuck and he's totally full of shit.	May 20 20:01
msb_	Not one of the "Pulse" movies?	May 20 20:01
_Goblin	DaemonFC: Signs?	May 20 20:03
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121641	May 20 20:04
schestowitz__	"so there´s hope..."	May 20 20:04
DaemonFC	White Noise	May 20 20:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #pirateparty on the rise http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-backs-pirate-parties-eu-elections-140520/ http://falkvinge.net/2014/05/20/the-pirate-bay-running-pirate-party-promos-in-election-week/ #eu		May 20 20:04
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_Goblin	oh...	May 20 20:04
DaemonFC	I just used the google on my computermachine.	May 20 20:04
DaemonFC	B-)	May 20 20:04
_Goblin	yeah, I think my wife watched that once...	May 20 20:04
_Goblin	(the film, not you on Google)	May 20 20:04
_Goblin	If you want a recommendation of what not to watch.....	May 20 20:05
msb_	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375210/combined	May 20 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| White Noise (2005) [ http://ur1.ca/hcq2j ]		May 20 20:05
_Goblin	Gravity....	May 20 20:06
_Goblin	a complete stinker....	May 20 20:06
_Goblin	the only good thing was, unlike a strong gravity well (or quantum singularity) you could actually escape its event horizon by walking out the cinema.	May 20 20:06
MinceR	:D	May 20 20:07
_Goblin	Sandra wasn't too hot either....her looks seemed to have succumbed to gravity too.	May 20 20:08
_Goblin	What is she now? 50?	May 20 20:08
msb_	Wait -- White Noise has Michael Keaton, not Mel Gibson.	May 20 20:08
_Goblin	Signs then...	May 20 20:09
_Goblin	Stupid aliens..	May 20 20:09
msb_	That was aliens, not ghosts.	May 20 20:09
MinceR	alien ghosts!	May 20 20:09
msb_	Good movie, though.	May 20 20:09
_Goblin	but wasn't it a dodgy transmission over the radio on the trailer	May 20 20:09
_Goblin	what signs?	May 20 20:09
MinceR	wait, lrh invented alien ghosts already.	May 20 20:09
DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	May 20 20:10
DaemonFC	The Teatards want to know where their "10-30 million patriots went".	May 20 20:10
DaemonFC	Obama could have disposed of them by invoking the PAT RIOT ACT (the worst thing to happen to Americans in 2001), but since only a few dozen of them actually showed up, it wasn't necessary.	May 20 20:10
_Goblin	well if ghost exist and aliens exist, then you must have ghost aliens.	May 20 20:10
_Goblin	or alien ghosts.	May 20 20:10
MinceR	:>	May 20 20:10
_Goblin	personally I don't believe in either....	May 20 20:10
msb_	No, in Signs it was material aliens who communicated by radio.	May 20 20:10
_Goblin	yeah but in the trailer did you see em? DaemonFC remembers something about radio...	May 20 20:11
msb_	DaemonFC: So what was the movie with Mel Gibson, ghosts, and radio?	May 20 20:11
DaemonFC	White Noise	May 20 20:11
DaemonFC	I was wrong at first.	May 20 20:11
_Goblin	I thought we established gibson wasn't in white noise	May 20 20:11
msb_	DaemonFC: White Noise has Michael Keaton, not Mel Gibson.	May 20 20:12
_Goblin	or maybe not	May 20 20:12
_Goblin	maybe mel is an alien shapeshifter	May 20 20:12
_Goblin	maybe he was just impersonating Michael	May 20 20:12
DaemonFC	His weakness is water.	May 20 20:12
msb_	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375210/combined	May 20 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| White Noise (2005) [ http://ur1.ca/hcq2j ]		May 20 20:12
_Goblin	Ive heard that Mel's is alcohol	May 20 20:12
_Goblin	maybe water as a mixer?	May 20 20:13
msb_	DaemonFC: Whose weakness?	May 20 20:13
DaemonFC	Signs: "We are aliens who die when exposed to water, so let us try to conquer a planets that's more than two thirds water, where it rains water, and has water vapor in the atmosphere, bwahahahaha!"	May 20 20:13
_Goblin	The wicked witch of the west had a weakness to water.......maybe related?	May 20 20:14
DaemonFC	That movie sucked. And they managed to inject Gaaaaawd into that as well.	May 20 20:14
_Goblin	it wasn't about aliens that movie.	May 20 20:14
_Goblin	most people who have an IQ less than 10 saw it as being about aliens...it wasn't.	May 20 20:14
DaemonFC	I've heard some people suggest that they were demons.	May 20 20:14
msb_	DaemonFC: I liked Signs, even though it was goofy in some ways.	May 20 20:14
_Goblin	Signs was about religion.	May 20 20:14
_Goblin	Priest loses faith	May 20 20:15
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121641	May 20 20:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #pirateparty on the rise http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-backs-pirate-parties-eu-elections-140520/ http://falkvinge.net/2014/05/20/the-pirate-bay-running-pirate-party-promos-in-election-week/ #eu		May 20 20:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> torrentfreak.com \| Pirate Bay Backs Pirate Party With EU Election Banners \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hcq2a ]		May 20 20:15
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schestowitz__	"Might I say - it's still a party. What did the parties gave us? usually every party starts as a good, small party, but then it becomes a monster as it grows. I don't know - a hope? I believe in what I DO, not in what other people do ... unless it's voluntary and without money as a gratification."	May 20 20:15
_Goblin	wife dies telling to swing bat....	May 20 20:15
_Goblin	boy kills alien with bat	May 20 20:15
DaemonFC	right	May 20 20:15
_Goblin	the sign was a message from god to the vicar	May 20 20:15
DaemonFC	kill that damned alien with the fuckin' bat	May 20 20:15
DaemonFC	we don't want your kind here!	May 20 20:15
DaemonFC	back the way you came, alien!	May 20 20:15
_Goblin	and for him to get his faith back	May 20 20:15
DaemonFC	bat bat bat	May 20 20:15
_Goblin	aliens were added for the -10 IQ posse	May 20 20:15
_Goblin	It had much resembalance to the crusades also...metaphorically	May 20 20:16
msb_	To me the aliens were the main spooky thing and Gibson's faith was just an extra filler item.	May 20 20:16
_Goblin	No...it was the basis of the film	May 20 20:17
_Goblin	its starts with a message and death	May 20 20:17
_Goblin	priest has lost faith	May 20 20:17
_Goblin	message followed and alien killed	May 20 20:17
_Goblin	priest gains back faith	May 20 20:17
msb_	The "swing away" message was psychic, not divine.	May 20 20:17
_Goblin	even the film title gives it away "Signs"	May 20 20:17
msb_	Crop circles.	May 20 20:17
_Goblin	msb_: the inference was religious interpretation...	May 20 20:17
_Goblin	And the crop circle was effectively the 666 the number of the beast and all that.	May 20 20:18
_Goblin	I'm surprised how many people merely thought this was just a crap alien movie.	May 20 20:18
_Goblin	thats why the aliens conquering water planet was so odd.	May 20 20:19
Snowleaksange	there's no objective interpretation	May 20 20:19
_Goblin	it wasn't the integral part of the story.	May 20 20:19
_Goblin	anyway....one thing I think we can all agree on...it was crap	May 20 20:19
Snowleaksange	you may think your perspective is privileged but i can assure you it is not	May 20 20:19
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/468832192895135744	May 20 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz We do not learn enough from past adventures. We should control those ministers in the EU Council with National Parliaments.		May 20 20:20
_Goblin	And the aliens didn't even have cool looking spaceships	May 20 20:20
schestowitz__	maybe use water cannon to keep in check politicians who advocate their use :-p	May 20 20:21
schestowitz__	*cannons	May 20 20:21
msb_	It was a good movie about an alien invasion, with crop circles and radio transmissions.	May 20 20:21
_Goblin	Ok...I think we'll agree to differ on that...	May 20 20:21
_Goblin	I don't buy into movies and I'm not the movie buff..... That signs was an obvious piece of religious suck-up was blatant to me....if you saw it as Aliens then fine.	May 20 20:22
msb_	Gibson's faith in life was restored by making a strong effort that defeated the aliens.	May 20 20:22
msb_	Everyone in the movie said it was aliens.	May 20 20:22
_Goblin	since when has a Hollywood actor been any sort of authority on anything other than gross excess?	May 20 20:23
msb_	Demons would have come in a variety of shapes and sizes, and probably would have had glowing red eyes.	May 20 20:23
_Goblin	myth	May 20 20:23
_Goblin	the Satan in the Christian faith doesn't have horn or is red...	May 20 20:23
_Goblin	another myth...	May 20 20:23
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/468833582791000064	May 20 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz Don't laugh, one of those politicians was my boss at some point in the past :-)		May 20 20:24
schestowitz__	One is my boss	May 20 20:24
DaemonFC	I wouldn't have told him to use a bat.	May 20 20:24
schestowitz__	One is my boss, indirectly	May 20 20:24
DaemonFC	I would have suggested the BFG 9000.	May 20 20:24
_Goblin	But maybe that is what signs showed, that people who talk about faith don't even know it properly.	May 20 20:24
msb_	Satan usually is red colored.	May 20 20:24
Snowleaksange	btw us championship tie breaks (rapid games) about to start here http://www.chessclub.com/us-championship-live	May 20 20:24
MinceR	DaemonFC: :>	May 20 20:24
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_Goblin	no msb	May 20 20:24
_Goblin	Lucifer was gods most perfect angel	May 20 20:24
msb_	Demons in anime' have red eyes.	May 20 20:24
_Goblin	he was cast down because he became big headed.	May 20 20:25
_Goblin	and try to take the seat of god	May 20 20:25
_Goblin	he wasn't changed	May 20 20:25
msb_	The "devil" is red. Even on cans of fish!	May 20 20:25
_Goblin	he was morphed into a thing with horns.	May 20 20:25
_Goblin	*wasn't	May 20 20:25
msb_	DaemonFC: They didn't have a BFG, but they did have a bat.	May 20 20:26
_Goblin	I have to tell "christians" that and I don't even share their faith.	May 20 20:26
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLFkiyCjc2E	May 20 20:27
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msb_	I like Shyamalan's movies. Interesting because they're weird.	May 20 20:28
msb_	He comes up with unusual ideas.	May 20 20:28
msb_	DaemonFC: So the movie with ghosts and radio was White Noise, and had Michael Keaton, not Mel Gibson?	May 20 20:29
msb_	Maybe you got White Noise and Signs mixed in your mind, since both had spooky radio. I call that "hashed to the same bin". Happens to me a lot.	May 20 20:31
_Goblin	Talking of movies....this indi film made on a small budget looks quite good: http://bypuk.com/movies/drift/	May 20 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bypuk.com \| The Drift : Backyard Productions UK		May 20 20:31
_Goblin	£5000 apparently.	May 20 20:32
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxxsP7VWVN8	May 20 20:32
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DaemonFC	What is it with all the late teens, and twenty somethings that say "I like older men?".	May 20 20:35
DaemonFC	Oh, NOW you give me attention!	May 20 20:35
DaemonFC	If I had known this, I would have been 30 ten years ago! Thanks for that....	May 20 20:35
_Goblin	but then you would be even older now with less time to enjoy yourself.	May 20 20:37
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msb_	_Goblin: The Drift doesn't seem to be released yet.	May 20 20:38
_Goblin	I just had them follow me on twiter so I checked them out and saw the trailer.....	May 20 20:38
_Goblin	it does look quite good though doesn't it?	May 20 20:38
_Goblin	especially for only just more than the price of an iphone.	May 20 20:39
sebsebseb	what you two on about? I just joined	May 20 20:39
_Goblin	A low budget indi film	May 20 20:39
_Goblin	http://bypuk.com/movies/drift/	May 20 20:39
msb_	We'll see when it comes out. The trailer is mostly yelling and "action".	May 20 20:39
_Goblin	I'll never remember......that's my movie fix now for another year.	May 20 20:40
_Goblin	if movies were compressed into 2 mins like that trailer, I might watch a few.	May 20 20:41
msb_	I thought _Gravity_ was ok, but I'm partial to Sandra Bullock. It was padded out, though.	May 20 20:41
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121688	May 20 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #china bans #microsoft #windows ( #nsa #prism prison) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tech/Tech-News/China-bans-Windows-8-on-government-computers/articleshow/35382126.cms http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-05/20/c_133347210.ht		May 20 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> timesofindia.indiatimes.com \| China bans Windows 8 on government computers - The Times of India [ http://ur1.ca/hcq8r ]		May 20 20:43
schestowitz__	"	May 20 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-05/20/c_133347210.ht )		May 20 20:43
schestowitz__	Yeah, that's kinda funny ... BUT: I'm kinda saddened by the fact that this is not being done by means of the merits of Linux OS itself, but by some silly, ridiculous and boring politics.	May 20 20:43
schestowitz__	I mean - come on - isn't Linux itself a good reason to switch to Linux? do people always need to compare it to other, crappy OSs?	May 20 20:43
schestowitz__	I know the reasoning behind it. It's way too simple - it's just laziness and lack of damn creativity. People are just too lazy to leave their comfort zones for a while and search for alternatives. Well, unless they're forced by some silly politics ...	May 20 20:43
schestowitz__	"	May 20 20:43
schestowitz__	GNU/Linux never preached much about technical merit (even when it had it). Since its dawn GNU spoke about freedom and only "Open Source" and "Linux" seem to focus so much on merit, not philosophical or autonomic	May 20 20:45
sebsebseb	what are you copying in from schestowitz__ ?	May 20 20:45
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/madcap_loon/status/468839272829956096	May 20 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@madcap_loon: Whoa!! Neat :-) "@schestowitz: #china bans #microsoft #windows ( #nsa #prism prison) http://t.co/yaOLxPh3Eu http://t.co/6GmZPLiHss"		May 20 20:46
schestowitz__	sebsebseb: diaspoa	May 20 20:46
cubezzz	Unix was an os for programmers	May 20 20:47
cubezzz	it's hard to get the masses behind it, or it's derivatives	May 20 20:48
msb_	"China bans Windows 8 on government computers" Times of India. Cool!	May 20 20:48
cubezzz	higher learning centres were always into Unix	May 20 20:49
msb_	cubezzz: But if Linux, at least some distros) is already set up on a computer, it can be used just as easily, and by non-programmers, as Windows. And works a lot better.	May 20 20:49
cubezzz	personally, I just want source code :)	May 20 20:50
sebsebseb	msb_: yeah thanks for the link, just read it, but I guess it means Mac is ok still	May 20 20:50
cubezzz	msb_, someone still has to install it	May 20 20:50
cubezzz	the OEMs are just starting to do that to some degree	May 20 20:50
msb_	Windows is already installed when the computer is purchased, thanks to MS' coercion.	May 20 20:51
msb_	Linux has been installed on computers in public libraries, and people find it just as easy as Windows.	May 20 20:51
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msb_	Sometimes they think it is Windows, or don't even know what an OS is.	May 20 20:52
cubezzz	unfortunately not around here, not in libraries anyway	May 20 20:52
sebsebseb	cubezzz: msb_ schestowitz__ now ow do I talk for a few minutes about free software activists and suc, and make it intresting to people who odn't really know about that hmm	May 20 20:52
abeNd-org	the only thing i dont like about linux at the library is there is no good patron management system that works with both linux & windows machines	May 20 20:52
abeNd-org	some that work for windows & mac, but not linux	May 20 20:53
sebsebseb	public speaking	May 20 20:53
abeNd-org	and when you contact the vendors they say they wont support linux	May 20 20:53
msb_	sebsebseb: Show them the movie _Antitrust_! 8^)	May 20 20:54
sebsebseb	patron what's that?	May 20 20:54
sebsebseb	msb_: no seriously I got a spech coming up and it's hmm	May 20 20:54
abeNd-org	library patron = anyone who walks through the door that isnt a library employee	May 20 20:54
sebsebseb	msb_: I want to give people an idea what this stuffi s about, and can be about for some and why	May 20 20:54
cubezzz	see, Microsoft courted developers first	May 20 20:55
cubezzz	they were anti-Unix, anti-BeoS, anti-Linux, anti-anything but windows	May 20 20:55
cubezzz	we're still reversing that mindset	May 20 20:55
abeNd-org	well, until i can get a good patron management system that will work with the ILS (evergreen, opensource) in the backend, & windows as well as linux in the front end, im stuck with windows only	May 20 20:56
msb_	sebsebseb: Tell them Windows crashes, spies on them, costs $100+, won't let them play some DRM'ed media.	May 20 20:57
msb_	Tell them Microsoft lies to them.	May 20 20:57
msb_	abeNd-org: Do you want a system that tracks patrons and the books they borrow? I'm just talking about putting Linux computers out for the patrons to use.	May 20 20:58
sebsebseb	msb_: well yes to an extnet	May 20 20:58
sebsebseb	msb_: ,but I want to go for a more middle thing I think	May 20 20:58
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sebsebseb	open source and free software the difference a bit	May 20 20:58
sebsebseb	msb_: how some take freedom to the extreame really, and go and replace their bis to maybe say somethingabout that even	May 20 20:59
sebsebseb	oh core boot nice, but iif it goes wrong I guess computer won't work well	May 20 20:59
sebsebseb	changing OS ok not a big deal these days, but the bios of the computer to, that's like taking freedom to the next level	May 20 20:59
sebsebseb	most don't care enough to do that even, to even try	May 20 20:59
sebsebseb	a lot don't care if the bios is propritayr fimewire as well that even know something about that	May 20 21:00
cubezzz	chromebooks come with coreboot installed already, except for the first 3	May 20 21:00
sebsebseb	msb_: cubezzz schestowitz__ have you replaced your bios with a free one?	May 20 21:00
sebsebseb	well if it's already installed that's differnet, it works it's pre installed :)	May 20 21:01
sebsebseb	,but most computers that is not the case, and so replaceing the bios with coreboot is like taking software freedom to the extreame realy?l	May 20 21:01
msb_	sebsebseb: Nope. No reason to. Not UEFI.	May 20 21:01
sebsebseb	if it goes wrong the computer won't work, it's not like if a OS install goeswrong so what, make a new partion table start over	May 20 21:01
sebsebseb	msb_: what's that?	May 20 21:01
sebsebseb	oh your saying no reason to use core boot	May 20 21:01
sebsebseb	since it won't do uefi ?	May 20 21:01
cubezzz	sebsebseb, if you're developing you need a flash writer	May 20 21:01
cubezzz	and socketed bios	May 20 21:02
sebsebseb	cubezzz: flash write,r for the bios /?	May 20 21:02
cubezzz	just glue push-pins on the chip so you can remove it easily	May 20 21:02
msb_	UEFI is the new bios system MS is pushing that prevents any OS other than the one specified by the mfr (Windows) from running.	May 20 21:02
sebsebseb	mfr? mbr?	May 20 21:03
msb_	MS wants UEFI to kill Linux.	May 20 21:03
cubezzz	there's chromebooks and lemote, both have bios source code	May 20 21:03
msb_	mfr - manufacturer	May 20 21:03
sebsebseb	msb_: right, but your saying core boot won't support UEFI ?	May 20 21:03
sebsebseb	anyway let's say someone puts on a 100% free software distro, since they want compelte freedom, right ok	May 20 21:03
cubezzz	there's an open source implementation of UEFI :)	May 20 21:04
sebsebseb	or pretty much complete freedom	May 20 21:04
cubezzz	it's called TianoCore	May 20 21:04
sebsebseb	it seems to me that then replaceing the bios with coreboot is like taking everything to the next level	May 20 21:04
amarsh04	restart time, rebuilt a new kernel after Linus Torvalds returned from his week off and posted a relatively small lot updates	May 20 21:04
msb_	sebsebseb: I suppose it will, but A. I don't need UEFI and B. my presne bios works fine, so I'm not gonna fuck with it.	May 20 21:04
sebsebseb	isn't it good enough running a 100% free OS? why o the bios as well? why go to the next level seriosuly?	May 20 21:04
sebsebseb	why mess with the bios, when you know your computer can go quite wrong if it messes up/?	May 20 21:04
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sebsebseb	why not leave it as the propritar bios? when got those concerns, but no those that really do want compelte freedom will replace the bios to or try to	May 20 21:05
cubezzz	socketed bios can be re-programmed	May 20 21:05
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sebsebseb	and I think that may e taking software freedom to the extreame	May 20 21:05
sebsebseb	cubezzz: what do you mean by socketed bios?	May 20 21:05
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sebsebseb	msb_: I think most people take a middle groundorh watever it's called, they wnat to be rather free, but they still want to have that Nivida propritary graphics driver, or theFLash plugin for example	May 20 21:06
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sebsebseb	hmm reay no MinceR ?l	May 20 21:06
cubezzz	so you can removed it, replace it	May 20 21:06
sebsebseb	cubezzz: the like haing two bios's thin or whatever osmeone said to me beore	May 20 21:06
sebsebseb	so if it goes wrong installing core boot	May 20 21:06
sebsebseb	still got a bios?	May 20 21:07
cubezzz	no	May 20 21:07
cubezzz	you take it out and reprogram it when necessary	May 20 21:07
MinceR	sebsebseb: huh?	May 20 21:07
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sebsebseb	cubezzz: or you take it out and install core boot if you want to, is that you mean?	May 20 21:07
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cubezzz	sebsebseb, if you want to try coreboot the easy way is to buy a chromebook	May 20 21:08
cubezzz	it's a lot of work understanding the motherboard well enough to add coreboot if it's not supported	May 20 21:08
msb_	sebsebseb: I use what works best. The nvidia driver works well and has a nice adjuster. Flash is shit but lots of websites use it.	May 20 21:08
sebsebseb	cubezzz: ok the easy way, but those who want complete freedom on their standard non chromebook or lemote, I guess may try andinstall it on there replaceing the propritary bios? and I am saying that's taking software freedom to the extremae really?	May 20 21:09
sebsebseb	why mess with something as valuble as the bios realy, most people woudn't, but those who want complete freedom, oh yeah they may	May 20 21:09
cubezzz	no, I would't say it's extreme	May 20 21:09
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cubezzz	building your own computer from stratch, that's extreme :)	May 20 21:09
sebsebseb	I mean the averaege computer user who likes free software won't touch the bios probaby	May 20 21:09
cubezzz	well there are firmware updates	May 20 21:10
sebsebseb	those running a 100% free software distro, probably most won't replace the propritary bios on the machine as well, or try to with a free one	May 20 21:10
cubezzz	FSF does	May 20 21:10
cubezzz	they run coreboot	May 20 21:10
sebsebseb	yes those really into software freedom wll try and replace the bios lie I just said	May 20 21:10
sebsebseb	,but everyone else uh no	May 20 21:10
sebsebseb	and that's my point	May 20 21:10
sebsebseb	those who are so sucked into sofftware freedom, but the reset well no	May 20 21:11
cubezzz	I'd rather know what it's doing	May 20 21:11
sebsebseb	well sure, but my point is most computer users won't take things to the next level by trying to replace the propritary bios with a free one	May 20 21:11
amarsh04	I think that coreboot is worthwhile... just wish that I could get hold of a decent motherboard that supported it	May 20 21:11
sebsebseb	,because they will beworriedit goes wrong and computer ismsesed up, and they know it's not like doing a OS, for those that even try	May 20 21:12
sebsebseb	or want to	May 20 21:12
cubezzz	I've botched coreboot up many times	May 20 21:12
sebsebseb	It's a good project sure, but it's not one for most LInux users at the moment, and that's my point	May 20 21:12
cubezzz	until I learned enough to get it working	May 20 21:12
amarsh04	motherboards that incorporate a dual bios arrangement would be a good start	May 20 21:12
sebsebseb	most LInux users would be to scared to even try installing core boot replaceing the propritary bios of the computer	May 20 21:12
sebsebseb	,but those into software freedom enough, oh they will be doingit sure, and that's my point	May 20 21:13
sebsebseb	,but as one of the people who won't even try and replace the bios at the moment, I think it's like taking things to the next level trying to do that	May 20 21:13
sebsebseb	get me now?	May 20 21:13
abeNd-org	msb_ the current system we use is cassie from http://www.librarica.com/, it integrates fully into the opensource evergreen ILS (library database, all the materials & library cards), it allows the patrons to log into the computer using their library card as the userid, they can reserve computers if they want to, etc	May 20 21:13
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amarsh04	one would need to be running more than one machine, but that's what I'm doing already - having 2 machines is great for getting out of sticky situations	May 20 21:14
sebsebseb	most people don't care enough about the bios to try and replace it with a free one, that's another point I am pmaking	May 20 21:14
amarsh04	and if I get a new machine I'd try to get something that supported coreboot and get that running on it first	May 20 21:14
sebsebseb	,but those who care enough, generally care so much about software freedom, that they aren't the average free software user	May 20 21:14
cubezzz	it's not just coreboot	May 20 21:15
amarsh04	I haven't caught up with efi yet	May 20 21:15
abeNd-org	im sure most would be willing to flash their linksys router with ddwrt, but not their computer's bios with something opensource	May 20 21:15
cubezzz	Sun had openboot	May 20 21:15
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: bingo that's the point I am making	May 20 21:15
cubezzz	PDP's had open firmware too	May 20 21:15
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: ,but why and so on and uh	May 20 21:15
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: they will switch to a LINUX DISTRO, they may do the router, but the bios wil be left alone	May 20 21:15
sebsebseb	only those who are really into this kindof stuff, even try and change the bio	May 20 21:16
sebsebseb	s	May 20 21:16
sebsebseb	and everyone else no	May 20 21:16
abeNd-org	sebsebseb: vendor support, you do that to your nice dell desktop/laptop & you have voided all warranty, even hardrive/etc, but no one cares about voiding the warranty on a linksys router with ddwrt	May 20 21:16
sebsebseb	just like only usually those who really care so much about the ethics of software freedom run 100% free softare LInuxdistro	May 20 21:16
sebsebseb	no flash no this nad that, everyone else, well things like FLash they will install basially and yeah	May 20 21:17
cubezzz	also...	May 20 21:17
cubezzz	OPLC has open firmware	May 20 21:17
cubezzz	I'm sure I could name more examples	May 20 21:17
cubezzz	IBM power...	May 20 21:17
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: cubezzz and only those who care so much about it, correct people usauly wnen they say LInux, and they are like no it's GNU/Linux	May 20 21:17
abeNd-org	besides, ive not had issues running SuSE on my dell servers, even with the latest bios updates, so i dont see how that is stopping linux on the server side	May 20 21:18
cubezzz	but I don't say that sebsebseb	May 20 21:18
cubezzz	I run a bunch of different OSes	May 20 21:18
sebsebseb	some people care so much about all this that, they are obbssed with it	May 20 21:18
sebsebseb	NO it mst be GNU	May 20 21:18
sebsebseb	no LInuxwithout the GNU	May 20 21:18
sebsebseb	oh geez no don't run a propiray bios, must be core boot	May 20 21:18
cubezzz	strawman argument	May 20 21:19
sebsebseb	no no running WIndows is so bad, no no Mac is so bad	May 20 21:19
cubezzz	which I never made	May 20 21:19
sebsebseb	yes Stallman is the great example of what I ma saying	May 20 21:19
MinceR	> "- i'd like to get a mousepad for my mac. - yes, this seems like a fair trade"	May 20 21:19
sebsebseb	cubezzz: yes you didn't , but wI want to talk a bit about this stuff in a talk	May 20 21:19
sebsebseb	that's why I am thinking about it	May 20 21:19
sebsebseb	what to say etc	May 20 21:19
abeNd-org	most people could care less about the distinctions	May 20 21:19
sebsebseb	how to like make people think intereseting, but without thinking ike oh those people are nuts	May 20 21:19
sebsebseb	I want to look at the people who don't care as much	May 20 21:19
sebsebseb	to those that do	May 20 21:19
sebsebseb	and a bit aout myself and so on	May 20 21:20
sebsebseb	,but to an aduaince of people who aren't reall into computers most of them, so it's like hwat to say, how to say it	May 20 21:20
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: the distinctions the so called correct way of saying things is that what you mean?	May 20 21:20
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: oh and openSUSE well some would attack you for that, since the MIcrooft deal, incluing MinceR	May 20 21:21
sebsebseb	there's that kind of thing to, oh no Microsofot is linked to that, it's so bad, well here's one such example, some companies are in a group now so money anbe used, if heartbleed issues happen agian	May 20 21:21
sebsebseb	one such company is Microsoft, no APple in there htough	May 20 21:21
abeNd-org	well the business apps customers run are certified on SLES, so that is what i use (not even opensuse), customer wants vendor certification for their business apps, so its either windows or SLES (sometimes rhel)	May 20 21:22
sebsebseb	now is that a bad thing that Microsoft put them selves in a group, of companies like that	May 20 21:22
cubezzz	my advice to anyone is to read history	May 20 21:22
DaemonFC	why is the green light on my phone flashing for no reason?	May 20 21:23
cubezzz	or watch some of Moglen's videos	May 20 21:23
cubezzz	or read what Moglen wrote about copyright	May 20 21:23
abeNd-org	but the average human doesnt care about linux/gnu/bsd/windows/etc, they just want their facebook & photosharing to work, they could care less if it was on internet explorer, firefox, chrome, etc	May 20 21:24
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cubezzz	well the NSA spying, I think they care about that	May 20 21:27
cubezzz	some of my customers are anti-cloud	May 20 21:28
cubezzz	eventually the old ways of thinking will die out	May 20 21:34
cubezzz	and the next generation will do things differently	May 20 21:34
cubezzz	coaches used to be 100% against hockey goalies wearing face protection :)	May 20 21:35
cubezzz	so yeah, learn some history	May 20 21:35
cubezzz	read Moglen's phd dissertation, it's an excellent piece of work	May 20 21:37
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abeNd-org	yea, it seems "the cloud" is where all the customers want to go, even if it doesnt make financial sense for them to do so	May 20 21:46
_Goblin	I suppose I'm a customer (albeit not a company) I'm 98% on the cloud	May 20 21:51
_Goblin	Storage wise (for my documents) I'm sort of hybrid since this device can work offline with my docs and syncs them when available.	May 20 21:52
_Goblin	100gb of storage - that covers all my family snaps.....Docs don't use up the space...I think it's great.	May 20 21:53
cubezzz	people (still) aren't backing up their data	May 20 21:54
abeNd-org	thats ok, most data really isnt all that important	May 20 21:55
abeNd-org	most individuals would be fine if they had to start over	May 20 21:55
cubezzz	well, I assume folks want to keep their photos	May 20 21:55
abeNd-org	shrug if they do, then they should back them up, if not, then they werent important to begin with	May 20 21:55
_Goblin	I've lost more photo's through local storage than I care to remember...	May 20 21:57
_Goblin	at least with Google I've had them on the drive for a long while, no issues.	May 20 21:57
abeNd-org	i have mine "backed up" locally, onedrive (225gb space) & bittorrentsync to an external drive	May 20 21:57
_Goblin	and if the government want to look through them, then fine as long as they don't mess up the organization.	May 20 21:58
abeNd-org	if i manage to lose it in all 3 places, well, it wasnt all that important to begin with :P	May 20 21:58
_Goblin	I was burned by an external drive....	May 20 21:58
_Goblin	maybe my backup routine was lacking....	May 20 21:58
_Goblin	but then you just don't see how fragile things are until its too late.	May 20 21:59
cubezzz	well no system is perfect, some of my kodachrome slides have deteriorated	May 20 21:59
abeNd-org	_goblin when all that nsa snooping first broke schestowitz took one of my quotes along the lines of "fine, make a copy of all my stuff, but at least give me access to it as a backup"	May 20 21:59
cubezzz	mostly the ones from the mid-70s	May 20 21:59
cubezzz	old film can have vinegar syndrome	May 20 21:59
_Goblin	abeNd-org: I'd agree....It would be less a bitter pill to swallow if I can grab a backup should things get deleted.	May 20 21:59
abeNd-org	yep, if we could get something for our money out of it...	May 20 22:00
_Goblin	but then we all store data on the cloud....of sorts....	May 20 22:00
abeNd-org	just setup owncloud or something as a front end & give us all logins :P	May 20 22:00
_Goblin	thats another plus of gdrive...I can share it with anyone.	May 20 22:01
_Goblin	so its handy when relatives have photo's to upload.	May 20 22:01
abeNd-org	yea, dropbox & im pretty sure onedrive allow that too	May 20 22:02
abeNd-org	& for corporate use I use Novell Filr for that, works great	May 20 22:02
abeNd-org	^since it works against edir/ad/ldap	May 20 22:03
_Goblin	I won't use dropbox....appart from the management issues its not integrated on this Chromebook like gdrive.	May 20 22:03
abeNd-org	i havent played with a chromebook really as of yet	May 20 22:03
_Goblin	I'd recommend.	May 20 22:03
abeNd-org	setup wireless on a bunch of them for some kids, but havent actually used it other than that	May 20 22:03
abeNd-org	ive got no disposable income for one of my own, & cant really think of what i would use it for. cant use it for anything above & beyond my work laptop for work or personal use	May 20 22:04
MinceR	gn	May 20 22:05
_Goblin	I think they come into their own if you are looking to replace an existing laptop, live mostly online and use Google services heavily.	May 20 22:05
_Goblin	gn mate	May 20 22:05
abeNd-org	and up until recently, my home internet connection was subpar DSL	May 20 22:05
abeNd-org	so living in the cloud would have been very dark & gloomy	May 20 22:05
abeNd-org	i couldnt stream a 240p youtube video without it buffering very few minutes	May 20 22:06
cubezzz	have you tried gmail-backup?	May 20 22:06
_Goblin	Its pretty flawless switching between off and online (for documents et al) however for me, if I lose net connection any machine is pretty much worthless to me.	May 20 22:06
_Goblin	cubezzz: no.....don't need particularly.	May 20 22:06
cubezzz	I hope it doesn't backup the spam :-P	May 20 22:07
_Goblin	probably will....	May 20 22:07
_Goblin	although it filters my spam quite effectively.	May 20 22:07
_Goblin	I've seen a really useless feature.......	May 20 22:07
_Goblin	"Request your tweets"......	May 20 22:08
_Goblin	who on earth wants to request a copy of all their tweets? In my case 13k of them.	May 20 22:08
cubezzz	hmmm, seems to go back to 2009	May 20 22:09
_Goblin	I joined in that year	May 20 22:09
_Goblin	I was a Twitter pioneer.......(or was I) not sure when twitter started	May 20 22:10
cubezzz	gmail only started in July 2008	May 20 22:10
sebsebseb	cubezzz: hmm sounds about right for gmail	May 20 22:10
sebsebseb	I got quite early I guess	May 20 22:11
sebsebseb	then	May 20 22:11
_Goblin	I can't say I've had any issues.....	May 20 22:11
_Goblin	oh except for when I delete mail and I get a message "Why delete you have loads of space?"	May 20 22:11
_Goblin	I delete because the stuff is crap.	May 20 22:11
_Goblin	I don't keep crap.	May 20 22:12
_Goblin	No actually I do..... I have an 80286 up in the loft with Windows 3.1 on it.	May 20 22:12
_Goblin	or was it a 386?	May 20 22:13
cubezzz	an historical artifact :)	May 20 22:13
_Goblin	It's cool because its an Amstrad and its shaped like the battlestar galactica	May 20 22:13
_Goblin	(I think I've said that here before)	May 20 22:13
_Goblin	Mark my words: The new Star Wars films will be worse than spending a day on Alderaan with the Death Star in orbit.	May 20 22:16
_Goblin	(a random Twitter remark of mine)....	May 20 22:16
_Goblin	I think I'm going to request my Tweets just to see what they send me.	May 20 22:16
_Goblin	And here's a photo of the same Amstrad I have... https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/467226630348611584	May 20 22:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_Goblin: This is a pic of someone else's one, I wonder should I go into the loft to get mine? http://t.co/9nBSTCUAFw		May 20 22:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_Goblin: This is a pic of someone else's one, I wonder should I go into the loft to get mine? http://t.co/9nBSTCUAFw		May 20 22:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OPW Intern Develops QR Code for Linux Kernel	May 20 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	Oops Messages http://t.co/4azDqsTSnM	May 20 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcqsg	May 20 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OPW Intern Develops QR Code for Linux Kernel Oops Messages \| Tux Machines		May 20 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Would You Give Linux a Whirl?	May 20 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/biukPX6oxF	May 20 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcqsh	May 20 22:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines TechView: Linus Torvalds, Inventor of Linux	May 20 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ipzJbqp9A9	May 20 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcqsi	May 20 22:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qt Creator 3.1.1 Lands Alongside Qt 5.3	May 20 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fMJTohR4Os	May 20 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcqzf	May 20 23:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Stable Channel Update: Chrome 35	May 20 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xZNXEj2pGX	May 20 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcqzg	May 20 23:15
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msb_	sebsebseb: Seems to me that you would want to talk about the advantages of Linux over Windows and Mac. In addition to reliability, one of the big advantages is multiple virtual desktops (if you use a DE that supports them). You can have one desktop for Mail, one for Music, one for Photos, etc., as many as 20 of them, and in each one you only have the programs for that particular activity, so your screen is never cluttered with programs	May 20 23:32
msb_	you're not using. This is viewed by many Linux power users as one of the greatest advantages of Linux.	May 20 23:32
msb_	sebsebseb: KDE3 and Trinity (TDE) supports this. Perhaps there are others.	May 20 23:34
msb_	sebsebseb: Each desktop has at the bottom a little applet listing the names of all the desktops, and to switch to a different one you only have to click on the name of the one you want to go to.	May 20 23:36
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msb_	if seb^3 ever comes back, here's the excellent description of MS evil from cubezzz: http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt	May 20 23:42
msb_	RIP The Bot	May 20 23:42
msb_	http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002128/	May 20 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| Tess Harper - IMDb		May 20 23:45
msb_	Guess it's alive after all.	May 20 23:46
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cubezzz	yeah, I really think things have improved though	May 20 23:51
cubezzz	chromebooks, linux/bsd, coreboot, simh	May 20 23:52
cubezzz	lots of reasons not to use M$	May 20 23:53
cubezzz	"Genuine Advantage"	May 20 23:55
cubezzz	forced online validation	May 20 23:55
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cubezzz	some folks who had a geniune windows were flagged as counterfeit	May 21 00:01
cubezzz	Office Genuine Advantage was shut down late 2010	May 21 00:05
cubezzz	in the old days you could install a program on two or more computers	May 21 00:06
cubezzz	no one thought twice about it	May 21 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland & Weston 1.5 Officially Released	May 21 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aErNSrf0Fy	May 21 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcr70	May 21 00:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wayland & Weston 1.5 Officially Released \| Tux Machines		May 21 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Clonezilla Live 2.2.3-10 Is Now Stable and	May 21 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	Based on Linux Kernel 3.14.4	May 21 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CnNVwD963e	May 21 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcr71	May 21 00:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing the GTK+ inspector tool for	May 21 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	Application Developers http://t.co/FYsD1SFbBB	May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcr72	May 21 00:13
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cubezzz	selling IBM windows for a higher price was a nice trick too	May 21 00:15
cubezzz	had to put the kibosh on OS/2 don't ya know	May 21 00:17
cubezzz	not upgrading fast enough? whoa, it's time for touch-screen :)	May 21 00:17
cubezzz	http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/nsa-has-total-access-via-microsoft-windows/	May 21 00:21
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msb_	Here's Stallman's excellent short story about future imprisonment -- for reading. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html	May 21 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org \| The Right to Read - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/4x2yh ]		May 21 00:23
cubezzz	really the DMCA stuff just slows things down a bit	May 21 00:26
cubezzz	it sure didn't stop anything :)	May 21 00:27
cubezzz	you know, scanners and all that	May 21 00:28
cubezzz	that is really the KO punch	May 21 00:28
msb_	Little mammals, eating the dinosaurs' eggs!	May 21 00:30
msb_	I'll bet the rulers wish they'd never allowed ARPANET to be created!	May 21 00:31
cubezzz	no they just want to control it	May 21 00:31
msb_	But they can't!	May 21 00:32
cubezzz	open protocols...	May 21 00:32
msb_	Even if they enforce extreme security restrictions on it, we can make our own nets.	May 21 00:33
msb_	Pseudo-random frequency-hopping spread-spectrum. I love that one!	May 21 00:34
cubezzz	but you're on comcast :)	May 21 00:34
cubezzz	at least use a free-net, if at all possible	May 21 00:34
msb_	I'm talking about a totally DIY network.	May 21 00:35
msb_	Not just an ISP.	May 21 00:35
msb_	PRFHSS would be virtually undetectible -- indistinguishable from random noise.	May 21 00:36
msb_	You'd need a matched PRNG to detect and decode it. Very cheap these days!	May 21 00:37
cubezzz	is anyone doing that now?	May 21 00:38
cubezzz	there's mesh I think	May 21 00:38
msb_	I think its a standard military method.	May 21 00:38
msb_	That too.	May 21 00:38
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msb_	Someone told me that wifi already uses frequency hopping.	May 21 00:39
abeNd-org	any of you in the northwest?	May 21 00:40
msb_	California	May 21 00:40
cubezzz	northwest what? :)	May 21 00:40
abeNd-org	obviously the only northwest that matters :P	May 21 00:41
msb_	The US is the center of the Universe.	May 21 00:41
cubezzz	this is IRC you know	May 21 00:41
abeNd-org	msb wife wants to move out to the oregon area	May 21 00:41
msb_	Doubt that and you won't live to tell about it.	May 21 00:41
abeNd-org	how am i supposed to know where you all live	May 21 00:42
abeNd-org	which is why i was asking	May 21 00:42
cubezzz	well you guys invented Unix, so yeah	May 21 00:42
msb_	We're just razzing you.	May 21 00:42
cubezzz	I'm close to Toronto	May 21 00:42
abeNd-org	coming from Texas, where I'm told the job market is actually good, was just hoping to get a feel of the west coast/northwest if any of you were actually around there	May 21 00:43
msb_	It's kinda squishy in some places.	May 21 00:46
msb_	I don't know what to tell you. I don't get out much.	May 21 00:47
abeNd-org	lol	May 21 00:48
msb_	The population of California is gradually being displaced by Mexican nationals.	May 21 00:51
msb_	Consequently, Asian and Italian food is disappearing from stores like Costco.	May 21 00:52
msb_	However there is one type of food that is now appearing everywhere, and that is tilapia fish.	May 21 00:53
msb_	Tilapia is the only fish in the known universe that has "loins".	May 21 00:54
abeNd-org	yea, TX is disappearing too, as is basic literacy (in any language) thus my librarian wife looking to move somewhere that literacy is a bit better	May 21 00:56
msb_	It's very secretive about what it does with those "loins", but the result is a lot of tilapia fish.	May 21 00:56
msb_	At least we're not getting a lot of Muslims who would want to cut our heads off if we criticize their religion.	May 21 00:58
cubezzz	working in a library, seems like it would be a nice job	May 21 01:03
abeNd-org	msb_ the religion of love & tolerance?	May 21 01:08
abeNd-org	cubezzz yea, if your populace is literate	May 21 01:09
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/pavethemoon/status/468905131766202368	May 21 05:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pavethemoon: @schestowitz Your reporting is fantastic. I, until recently, was selling Windows software of my own. I've come to GNU/Linux to repent.		May 21 05:53
schestowitz__	There is high demand for GNU/Linux these days, esp. in business and public sector	May 21 05:53
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/468851220308709376	May 21 05:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz dude, non-free software is better. if it wasn't for that, i wouldn't have a consulting business fixing the shit it ruins :)		May 21 05:54
schestowitz__	I know that feeling...	May 21 05:54
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121688	May 21 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		May 21 05:58
schestowitz__	"Hm, well ... you might have a point there, Roy."	May 21 05:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4122167	May 21 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		May 21 05:58
schestowitz__	"That's not so far off the truth. He was in on the start of the Open Source movement though it wasn't his idea."	May 21 05:58
schestowitz__	They only phoned him after they chose the name	May 21 05:59
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121390	May 21 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		May 21 05:59
schestowitz__	"It's Forbes, marc."	May 21 05:59
schestowitz__	"Aah, so I guess we could stop here. Forbes ..."	May 21 06:00
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4122206	May 21 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		May 21 06:00
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4122206	May 21 06:00
schestowitz__	"I have a different idea, if you have to pay handsomely engineers for writing and supporting software then it might be hideous, compared to software written and maintained by guys for free just because is funny and fulfilling."	May 21 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android mini-PC taps quad-core Rockchip, cools	May 21 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	itself http://t.co/RlDK6VKGTE	May 21 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcsg0	May 21 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android mini-PC taps quad-core Rockchip, cools itself \| Tux Machines		May 21 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rugged, wildly modular tablet runs Android and	May 21 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/hvDSu35qEH	May 21 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcsge	May 21 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Rugged, wildly modular tablet runs Android and Linux \| Tux Machines		May 21 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security's future belongs to open source	May 21 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3HZw3vnyqJ	May 21 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcsgf	May 21 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security's future belongs to open source \| Tux Machines		May 21 06:29
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/468986458544828416	May 21 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz could this mean the return of PJ and Groklaw?		May 21 06:32
schestowitz__	she worked hard for 10 years, I think she's resting now	May 21 06:32
*TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Security's future belongs to open source http://t.co/3HZw3vnyqJ'		May 21 06:33
*TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Rugged, wildly modular tablet runs Android and Linux...'		May 21 06:33
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/468989288605286400	May 21 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz GTK+ doesn't need an inspector, it needs either SWAT, SAS or a demolition team.. Sorry, couldn't resist.		May 21 06:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Shake Up, Linus Interviewed, and Mint 16	May 21 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	Reviewed http://t.co/AS2CaiNawR	May 21 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcskb	May 21 07:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora Shake Up, Linus Interviewed, and Mint 16 Reviewed \| Tux Machines		May 21 07:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Mac-ifying of the Linux Desktop	May 21 07:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/o3TX1R7mXd	May 21 07:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcsp1	May 21 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Mac-ifying of the Linux Desktop \| Tux Machines		May 21 07:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat's OpenStack moment: Just like Linux in	May 21 08:18
TweetTuxMachines	2003? http://t.co/jysYrzqWXN	May 21 08:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcsub	May 21 08:18
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditLinux favourited 'Red Hat's OpenStack moment: Just like Linux in...'		May 21 08:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat's OpenStack moment: Just like Linux in 2003? \| Tux Machines		May 21 08:18
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4123762	May 21 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA Spying Inspires ProtonMail 'End-to-End' Encrypted Email Service http://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/nsa-spying-inspires-protonmail-end-to-end-encrypted-email-service-526769 redo #email - start with encryption as standard		May 21 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gadgets.ndtv.com \| NSA Spying Inspires ProtonMail 'End-to-End' Encrypted Email Service \| NDTV Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/hcsuo ]		May 21 08:21
schestowitz__	I think that, no matters what, the most secure way is encripting mails by using GPG. The disadvantage of GPG is that no-one want to use it! Like the think "its not going to happen to me",,, maybe is because they don't have a clueless idea about how e-mail works... :-/""	May 21 08:21
MinceR	geekings	May 21 08:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 10.1.4 http://t.co/gG5xfXnOaU	May 21 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hct74	May 21 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mesa 10.1.4 \| Tux Machines		May 21 09:39
*TweetTuxMachines @ubuntuaio favourited 'Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With Ubuntu...'		May 21 09:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With	May 21 10:46
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ubuntu Derivatives http://t.co/wZErbzKkDY	May 21 10:46
TweetTuxMachines	@ubuntuaio	May 21 10:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hctgc	May 21 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With Ubuntu Derivatives \| Tux Machines		May 21 10:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open-Source DisplayPort MST Is Under Review	May 21 10:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9PYWLg6mUT	May 21 10:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hctgd	May 21 10:46
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MinceR	http://www.thenation.com/article/179710/hungary-and-end-politics	May 21 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com \| Hungary and the End of Politics \| The Nation [ http://ur1.ca/hcu4o ]		May 21 13:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Epic Games Wants Linux to Take Off as a Gaming	May 21 13:33
TweetTuxMachines	Platform http://t.co/k0eRveHwMI	May 21 13:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcu5b	May 21 13:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA On Ubuntu 14.04 Has Some New Advantages	May 21 13:33
TweetTuxMachines	Over Windows 8.1 http://t.co/Ng8hXCMjc6	May 21 13:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcu5c	May 21 13:33
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Sosumi	phew	May 21 14:49
Sosumi	finally some good news	May 21 14:49
Sosumi	the head of ISIS got killed this morning	May 21 14:49
Sosumi	the leader from the islamic state of iraq and sham	May 21 14:49
Sosumi	or the levant	May 21 14:49
Sosumi	from, well, for	May 21 14:50
Sosumi	since the idea of ISIS group wasn't yet implemented	May 21 14:51
Sosumi	my guess is that the state dept, Uk and france are have been having a bad since	May 21 14:52
Sosumi	all their boys have been basically wiped out syria now	May 21 14:52
Sosumi	-of	May 21 14:53
Sosumi	also M$ announced the implementation of a "power nap" similar feature to what crapple has	May 21 14:54
Sosumi	when they launched the new surface "pukelet"	May 21 14:54
Sosumi	which lets the computer fetch emails and update itself while in sleep mode	May 21 14:55
Sosumi	just more complete	May 21 14:56
Sosumi	while power nap on osx is restricted to what crapple wants	May 21 14:56
Sosumi	basically, just their programs	May 21 14:56
Sosumi	but I wonder if gnu/linux has such thing	May 21 14:56
Sosumi	http://www.anandtech.com/show/8030/backup-guide	May 21 15:10
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Sosumi	there's talk about built in features, paid solutions and windows server	May 21 15:11
Sosumi	but not a single word about a "free" solution	May 21 15:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With	May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ubuntu Derivatives http://t.co/wZErbzKkDY	May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	@nihil_enochian	May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcuxa	May 21 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With Ubuntu Derivatives \| Tux Machines		May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Smallest OS for Raspberry Pi, piCore 5.3,	May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	Returns with Linux Kernel 3.14.4	May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HDDw7bthOt	May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcuxb	May 21 15:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android-x86 4.4-RC2 (KitKat-x86)	May 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ye09x6XDkT	May 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcv6r	May 21 17:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chakra-2014.05-Descartes released	May 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gP6h9Z1tEa	May 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcv6s	May 21 17:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux, Linux everywhere http://t.co/fIrsOW1kWn	May 21 17:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcv6t	May 21 17:03
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/41216414	May 21 19:24
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schestowitz__	"at the moment the Pirates around here do it voluntarily without any gratification....you are right, but until the new parties get corrupted, they can do nice work :-) There´s the hope thing again :-D:	May 21 19:24
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/469175117155926016	May 21 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: RT @LDRLB Apple’s Patently Absurd Smartphone Crusade - Larry Downes - Harvard Business Review http://t.co/rR0UONMeb9 @schestowitz		May 21 20:38
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/469175117155926016	May 21 20:39
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DaemonFC	a few seconds ago	May 21 20:48
DaemonFC	Hey, Indiana Republicans.... I have an idea, you assholes...	May 21 20:48
DaemonFC	Instead of sitting on $2 billion in a "rainy day fund" that was supposed to be stimulus money to put people back to work, which came from the federal government in 2009, while you're busy trying to build new toll roads, why don't you spend the $2 billion, ON THE ROADS!?!?!?	May 21 20:48
DaemonFC	It would take less than 10% of that fund to complete I-69 without turning it into a toll road. It would take about 5% of that fund to expand Medicaid through 2033.	May 21 20:48
DaemonFC	The money is there. The state is not broke. We have assholes running the state.	May 21 20:48
schestowitz__	"yup"	May 21 20:49
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126390	May 21 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The Greens – not #UKIP – are the real alternative to the political Establishment" http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/vote-green-in-england/ #england #uk		May 21 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk \| Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Vote Green in England [ http://ur1.ca/hcwdv ]		May 21 20:49
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121641	May 21 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #pirateparty on the rise http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-backs-pirate-parties-eu-elections-140520/ http://falkvinge.net/2014/05/20/the-pirate-bay-running-pirate-party-promos-in-election-week/ #eu		May 21 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> torrentfreak.com \| Pirate Bay Backs Pirate Party With EU Election Banners \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hcq2a ]		May 21 20:50
schestowitz__	"Probobly ;)"	May 21 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> falkvinge.net \| The Pirate Bay Running Promos For European Pirate Parties In Election Week - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/hckip ]		May 21 20:50
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4111020	May 21 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #iceweasel - which my wife and I use - almost definitely will exclude #drm from #adobe + #mozilla - #gnu has a fork/branch also		May 21 20:51
schestowitz__	"is iceweasel a firefox plug-in or addon?"	May 21 20:51
DaemonFC	2 secs ·	May 21 20:51
DaemonFC	Brooks Fetters, the Republican mayor of Huntington, who didn't tell us that there was shit and e. coli in our water, while we were drinking it for a week, has lifted the boil advisory that we didn't know about until yesterday.	May 21 20:51
DaemonFC	Herpa Derp Derp! Duh!!!!!!	May 21 20:51
schestowitz__	it's like a fork	May 21 20:51
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126389	May 21 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "How Victor Orbán launched a constitutional coup and created a one-party state." http://www.thenation.com/article/179710/hungary-and-end-politics similar to #uk		May 21 20:51
schestowitz__	"BUT THE CONSTITUTION IS SUPPOSE TO PROTECT US! WHY, GOD, WHY????"	May 21 20:51
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DaemonFC	Fetters and the City Council Republicans recently approved $170,000 of Huntington taxpayer money, to build a new awning outside of a highly profitable car insurance agent's office. That agent donated to their campaigns.	May 21 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RemoteBox 1.8 Lets Users Control Virtual	May 21 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	Machines Remotely http://t.co/PtpPHGq6Hu	May 21 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcwfr	May 21 20:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/Xb7bkp1LME	May 21 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcwpn	May 21 21:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/S9zrvRkLvf	May 21 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcwpo	May 21 21:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/m0T6SQSVkn	May 21 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcwpp	May 21 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		May 21 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/7aBq9kl2Ka	May 21 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcwpq	May 21 21:57
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schestowitz__	http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/so-many-videos-to-makes-so-little-time/	May 21 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com \| So many videos to makes, so little time! \| Thunderf00t [ http://ur1.ca/hcwr8 ]		May 21 22:07
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/sabinenamba/status/469207450269130752	May 22 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sabinenamba: @schestowitz Take my freedom please!		May 22 05:05
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126829	May 22 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "A little-known aspect of the juvenile justice system requires young offenders to pay for their own prosecution" http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/05/juvenile-justice-fees/362083/		May 22 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com \| Some Kids Get Charged Twice for One Crime - Nishat Kurwa - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/hcykb ]		May 22 05:28
schestowitz__	"“Don’t be committing crimes, and you won’t owe any money.” That would be fine if justice were equal for everyone and there were no people #toobigtojail"	May 22 05:29
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126828	May 22 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "$13 million for taking away his freedom for the past three years." http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9248471/AT_T_hacker_wants_government_to_pay_him_13M happens here in #uk also		May 22 05:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworld.com \| AT&T hacker wants government to pay him $13M - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/hcyki ]		May 22 05:30
schestowitz__	"Yeah, too bad the "greatest patriots of our generation" he cites in his crazy-person rant are Timothy McVeigh, Andrew Joseph Stack, and Marvin Heemeyer. It's people like weev that make legitimate anti-authoritarians look like complete psychos. Blowing up buildings, crashing a plane into a building, and bulldozing an entire town does not necessarily a "patriot" make. My question is was he this crazy before he spent time in solitary	May 22 05:30
schestowitz__	or after, my instinct is he admired those whackjobs before but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the solitary that inspired him to find new "patriots" to look up to."	May 22 05:30
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126792	May 22 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Wikileaks and #TheIntercept clash over #censorship - spot the real media hero http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/beerfiles/64167-wikileaks-and-the-intercept-clash-over-censorship-spot-the-real-media-hero		May 22 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itwire.com \| iTWire - Wikileaks and The Intercept clash over censorship - spot the real media hero [ http://ur1.ca/hcykm ]		May 22 05:31
schestowitz__	"I too wish to know the identity of the second nation in the report but there are problems with this analysis. For one, Greenwald was not "lauded and feted as a heroic, fearless journalist" iTWire suggests. Perhaps they should revisit the response of other journalists to his early reports. Technically he can't even call himself a Pulitzer-winning journalist because it's shared with the Guardian and the other reporters. Secondly,	May 22 05:31
schestowitz__	Wikileaks and Julian Assange himself collaborated with media outlets to redact the vast majority of the Cablegate leaks so I don't know where he nor iTWire get off for making this into a farcical story of "publishing without fear nor favour versus voluntary censorship" as Wikileaks and Assange employed literally the exact same kind of self-censorship. Am I the only one not experience collective amnesia at the moment?"/	May 22 05:31
schestowitz__	A lot has been changed (revised) in wikileaks history as the press went along. There is still an attempt to paint Snowden leaks as espionage by Russia, too.	May 22 05:32
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469339055377743872	May 22 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz my question is did @CNETNews over exaggerate story? I just logged into #ebay, nowhere do they ask me to change my password :/		May 22 05:52
schestowitz__	maybe not yet	May 22 05:52
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469339527165665280	May 22 05:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: RT @schestowitz: What's going on with Foresight Linux? http://t.co/mgQ1hQyUoO - #foresight & red hat? I remember doing packages rpath style		May 22 05:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> forums.scotsnewsletter.com \| What's going on with Foresight Linux? - Bruno's All Things Linux - Scot's Newsletter Forums		May 22 05:55
schestowitz__	I haven't heard of rPath for years, I think they detached themselves from Red Hat	May 22 05:56
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469340488256876544	May 22 06:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz they did that years ago, when I tried to get a job with them actually. the stayed with the rhel stable releases, that's all		May 22 06:01
schestowitz__	I think, IIRC, that they were getting cosy with Novell/SUSE at one point	May 22 06:01
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469342029873311745	May 22 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz yeah, but nothing happened because of that. coziness was nothing more than rumor than		May 22 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blue Pup Distro: Pride of the Puppy Linux	May 22 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	Litter http://t.co/y15koOlML0	May 22 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcyor	May 22 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Blue Pup Distro: Pride of the Puppy Linux Litter \| Tux Machines		May 22 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tehnoetic wireless USB adapter now	May 22 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	FSF-certified to respect your freedom	May 22 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lsfcXo8JNn	May 22 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcypj	May 22 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tehnoetic wireless USB adapter now FSF-certified to respect your freedom \| Tux Machines		May 22 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Renesas to Advance Embedded Open Source OS for	May 22 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Foundation http://t.co/U3LFlWkWm1	May 22 06:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Renesas to Advance Embedded Open Source OS for Linux Foundation \| Tux Machines		May 22 06:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Silent Circle secures $30 million in funding to	May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	expand Blackphone production	May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/n8uTn2nB2S	May 22 07:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Silent Circle secures $30 million in funding to expand Blackphone production \| Tux Machines		May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue Pup	May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/djXju4DVH7	May 22 07:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue Pup \| Tux Machines		May 22 07:55
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/tehowe/status/469371787453931520	May 22 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tehowe: RT @schestowitz: Todd giving info to Huawei, dead. Hastings preparing expose about CIA director, dead. Kelly challenging MI5 lies, dead ...		May 22 08:02
schestowitz__	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/05/20/greenwald-washington-post-suppressed-foreign-countries-under-nsa-eavesdropping-program/	May 22 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Greenwald: Washington Post ‘suppressed’ foreign countries under NSA eavesdropping program [ http://ur1.ca/hcz73 ]		May 22 08:16
MinceR	geekings	May 22 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue Pup	May 22 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2YV2yViVI1	May 22 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcz9o	May 22 08:31
*TweetTuxMachines @BrandaSemenec retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue Pup http://t.co/2YV2yViVI1'		May 22 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue Pup \| Tux Machines		May 22 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A settlement between Apple and Samsung may be	May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	on the horizon http://t.co/g25p9fS173	May 22 09:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A settlement between Apple and Samsung may be on the horizon \| Tux Machines		May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Akregator - Get your daily Linux fix using the	May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	premier KDE RSS Feed Reader	May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QMqMaT9JLH	May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hczg5	May 22 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Akregator - Get your daily Linux fix using the premier KDE RSS Feed Reader \| Tux Machines		May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenChrome: There's Apparently Not Much Left	May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FPSHD1NeZn	May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hczg7	May 22 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenChrome: There's Apparently Not Much Left \| Tux Machines		May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Other Ways To Optimize Your Linux Battery Life	May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/x8LBQH42k8	May 22 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hczg8	May 22 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Other Ways To Optimize Your Linux Battery Life \| Tux Machines		May 22 09:05
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schestowitz__	http://www.ecnmag.com/news/2014/05/illinois-receives-21-million-nsa-help-advance-security-cyber-systems\	May 22 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ecnmag.com \| News \| Electronic Component News [ http://ur1.ca/hczif ]		May 22 09:18
schestowitz__	http://www.ecnmag.com/news/2014/05/illinois-receives-21-million-nsa-help-advance-security-cyber-systems	May 22 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ecnmag.com \| Illinois receives $2.1 million from NSA to help advance security of cyber systems [ http://ur1.ca/hczig ]		May 22 09:18
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126474	May 22 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Android-x86 4.4-RC2 (KitKat-x86) http://www.android-x86.org/releases/releasenote-4-4-rc2		May 22 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.android-x86.org \| ReleaseNote 4.4-RC2 - Android-x86 - Porting Android to x86 [ http://ur1.ca/hczl1 ]		May 22 09:39
schestowitz__	"Thanks for the post. Going to update now."	May 22 09:39
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4127026	May 22 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux: Best desktop distros for newbies http://www.networkworld.com/slideshow/153439/linux-best-desktop-distros-for-newbies.html #gnu #linux		May 22 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.networkworld.com \| Linux: Best desktop distros for newbies - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/hczlh ]		May 22 09:41
schestowitz__	"Why are there some distro's in that list that are not for newbs? Where is Zorin OS? Trisquel is indeed a very nice distro although I kinda miss the root-account."	May 22 09:41
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4129010	May 22 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When the probability of one's desire to live vastly greater than another person's willingness to kill one, serious probes needed.		May 22 09:41
schestowitz__	"This sentence appears to me as a mal-formed formula. Kindly rephrase…."	May 22 09:41
schestowitz__	if someone is wanted as "dead" by many and not by oneself, then it's likely that the death is not suicide	May 22 09:42
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4129089	May 22 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Assassination of "white" people in #drone strikes not new. #nz and #asutralia recently confirmed this. Scope is expanding.		May 22 09:43
schestowitz__	"Link?"	May 22 09:43
schestowitz__	http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/04/22/an-australian-killed-to-the-studied-indifference-of-his-government/	May 22 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crikey.com.au \| Drone killing of Christopher Harvard in Yemen \| Crikey [ http://ur1.ca/hczlp ]		May 22 09:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4129010	May 22 09:47
schestowitz__	"Oh. A propos of what, exactly ?"	May 22 09:47
schestowitz__	http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20140522_U_S__sends_80_U_S_troops_to_Chad_seeking_abducted_girls.html	May 22 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.philly.com \| U.S. sends troops to Chad in hunt for Nigerian girls [ http://ur1.ca/hczth ]		May 22 10:39
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/msgbi/status/469417869076602880	May 22 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@msgbi: @schestowitz @TeraEuro dro		May 22 11:09
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/RobDuncan2000/status/469416022156382208	May 22 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RobDuncan2000: @schestowitz @ioerror Thats No way to run a business. Dont ya know?		May 22 11:09
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/RobDuncan2000/status/469415858314280960	May 22 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RobDuncan2000: @schestowitz @ioerror Hey now. Hey, hey, hey... Ya trying to ruin the bankster war debt profit plan by letting terrorist supply run low? Eh?		May 22 11:09
Sosumi	and thai military just just couped the government	May 22 11:16
Sosumi	but for the folks that think that was good	May 22 11:17
Sosumi	well	May 22 11:17
Sosumi	military rule usually is worse than civilian rule	May 22 11:18
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469425779181625344 https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469425871976431616 https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469426323275120641	May 22 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: [cf MEK] RT @schestowitz: Obama et al.: we don't negotiate with terrorists, we invite them to our house http://t.co/Ob06BHTZg9		May 22 11:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz: #cia staff angry at #whitehouse for putting an end to fake #polio vaccinations http://t.co/15HSKhQgin		May 22 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.abc.net.au \| The World Today - Fmr CIA spy criticises US policy to ban use of vaccination programs as cover for spy operations 21/05/2014		May 22 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz: Too much media attention? #cia calls off shipment of 70,000 assault rifles to terrorists in #syria http://t.co/xUhfxSLhTp		May 22 11:40
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Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/ebay-buryies-its-own-advisory-to-change-passwords-following-database-hack/	May 22 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| eBay buries its own advisory to change passwords following database hack \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hd069 ]		May 22 11:50
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/juan_ma56/status/469431950621814784	May 22 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@juan_ma56: @schestowitz @masterv_12 Quite natural a revolting door between CIA & one of its mediatic cheerlearders for NATO's "Humanitarian Wars"		May 22 12:03
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/469431792735244288]	May 22 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @jmcest @schestowitz it was never a credible organization		May 22 12:03
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469430439200194560	May 22 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz: Stop revolving door between Human Rights Watch and the #CIA http://t.co/Q7OlgmkvQz discrediting #hrw		May 22 12:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Users Can Now Play Windows Games on Steam	May 22 12:46
TweetTuxMachines	with In-Home Streaming http://t.co/nx0ItDbxby	May 22 12:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDBUS Is Still Outstanding, Not Part Of The	May 22 12:46
TweetTuxMachines	Mainline Kernel http://t.co/xdEFVQMvCe	May 22 12:46
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4130025	May 22 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Akregator - Get your daily Linux fix using the premier KDE RSS Feed Reader http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/05/akregator-get-your-daily-linux-fix.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+everydaylinuxuser%2FWLlg+%28Everyday+Linux+User%29		May 22 16:09
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schestowitz__	"It's a shame the "premier KDE RSS Feed Reader" wasn't that good last time I checked. Personally I'd recommend either Tiny Tiny RSS or Newsblur (both FOSS, web based and more featured)"	May 22 16:09
abeNd-org	most people i know that were shoved off the google reader ship swam over to feedly	May 22 16:11
MinceR	:>	May 22 16:12
MinceR	i'm using liferea and designing my own (locally hosted) feed reader :>	May 22 16:12
abeNd-org	yea, i dont have the time/resources/friendly isp to host my own	May 22 16:13
MinceR	i mean, it would be a webapp hosted on the client machine where the web browser that's using it runs :>	May 22 16:17
MinceR	then again, if i seriously move to dillo (or another lightweight browser), i might add a non-webapp option	May 22 16:17
abeNd-org	i already have enough going on with my work laptop	May 22 16:18
abeNd-org	plus i like having the mobile apps on my devices when my laptop isnt around	May 22 16:18
MinceR	:)	May 22 16:18
MinceR	i could connect from the tablet to the laptop :>	May 22 16:18
abeNd-org	my laptop isnt always out & turned on, sometimes its sitting in my bag	May 22 16:20
MinceR	well, a rooted tablet could run the server itself	May 22 16:21
MinceR	though that might not be the best of ideas	May 22 16:21
MinceR	i'm not sure how well the eMMC or microSD card would handle that many writes	May 22 16:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RawTherapee 4.1 Is a Complex and Free	May 22 16:32
TweetTuxMachines	Alternative to Adobe's Lightroom	May 22 16:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/G6B0oO3Alh	May 22 16:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE's Risky Gamble on New Interface	May 22 16:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vEBh0Xx080	May 22 16:32
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schestowitz__	http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/2014/05/22/why-are-there-so-few-high-quality-science-communicators/	May 22 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com \| Why are there so few high quality science communicators? \| Thunderf00t [ http://ur1.ca/hd1uc ]		May 22 17:37
abeNd-org	MinceR: yea, ill stick with feedly, too much of a royal pita to maintain & keep running my own personal rss server	May 22 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here is the first preview of KDE’s Plasma Next	May 22 17:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kjlIeapglB	May 22 17:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Abnormally Long Linux 3.15-rc6 Kernel	May 22 17:51
TweetTuxMachines	Released http://t.co/p1ag0oGwV6	May 22 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Here is the first preview of KDE’s Plasma Next \| Tux Machines		May 22 17:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Abnormally Long Linux 3.15-rc6 Kernel Released \| Tux Machines		May 22 17:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines City of Vienna increasingly turns to open	May 22 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	source http://t.co/AMpfexf1yb	May 22 18:29
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*TweetTuxMachines @RedditLinux favourited 'The Abnormally Long Linux 3.15-rc6 Kernel Released http://t.co/p1ag0oGwV6'		May 22 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Survey results: Top 10 hacker SBCs	May 22 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0hS2lKUJod	May 22 18:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chakra Linux 2014.05 Distro Shows That KDE Can	May 22 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	Be Fun http://t.co/l8LILDq66u	May 22 18:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What Has the Cabinet Office Got to Hide about	May 22 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	Microsoft? http://t.co/gpoJELmHoT	May 22 18:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GCC 4.8.3 Released http://t.co/Iwdvh97uz9	May 22 18:29
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DaemonFC	msb_, So I've started drinking water from those vending machines after the "there's shit in your water but we didn't tell you for a week" ordeal.	May 22 19:24
DaemonFC	The reverse osmosis, carbon filter, UV sterilization system...	May 22 19:24
msb_	Maybe that's what made you sick.	May 22 19:25
msb_	You can get a water distiller for $160, which distills a gallon of water in about 4 hours at a cost of about 40 cents for electricity. Takes out everything. ans sterilizes too.	May 22 19:26
msb_	ans -> and	May 22 19:26
msb_	Also takes out fluoride, which is very toxic.	May 22 19:27
DaemonFC	msb_, I'd assume that the reverse osmosis system removes most of the fluoride anyway.	May 22 19:33
DaemonFC	According to my total dissolved solids readings, the tap water here rates about 400 on most of the samples I've taken.	May 22 19:33
DaemonFC	The stuff out of the water vending machine at Walmart scored 17, Kroger North was 15, Kroger South was 29.	May 22 19:34
DaemonFC	So, reverse osmosis does a pretty good job, it seems.	May 22 19:34
msb_	DaemonFC: Hard to say. If the RO membrane has a pinhole, all bets are off. But the distiller is under your control and takes out everything.	May 22 19:35
DaemonFC	Those are very effective filters, and they last for years. They backflush themselves to get rid of the crap they filtered out, so they're self-cleaning for the most part.	May 22 19:35
DaemonFC	They probably only need to replace the filter about every year or so....	May 22 19:35
DaemonFC	(commercial vending machine, lots of use)	May 22 19:35
DaemonFC	Well, I'll just keep using the vending machine at Walmart or Kroger North.	May 22 19:36
msb_	Like the weird surgeon said, "Suture self." I prefer not to trust corporations.	May 22 19:36
DaemonFC	It seems to get rid of a little over 95% of the total dissolved solids.	May 22 19:36
DaemonFC	That's not bad.	May 22 19:37
DaemonFC	That can be anything though, really.	May 22 19:37
DaemonFC	Mostly calcium, dirt, and rust and maybe a little lead from old decaying water pipes.	May 22 19:37
msb_	Fluoride is a very small molecule (single atom ion, really), so hard to get rid of.	May 22 19:38
DaemonFC	The last time the city did a major overhaul of the water delivery system here was in the 1970s.	May 22 19:38
DaemonFC	So it's probably not looking too good.	May 22 19:38
msb_	I shower in tapwater, but I sure wouldn't drink it.	May 22 19:38
msb_	The distiller has no membranes to trust.	May 22 19:39
DaemonFC	My city doesn't fluoridate. There's so much farm runoff that the water has more than the government requires.	May 22 19:39
msb_	You just clean the scale out of the boiler once a week.	May 22 19:40
DaemonFC	Saves them about $50,000 a year.	May 22 19:40
msb_	Wonderful. Lowers everyone's IQ and makes them obedient.	May 22 19:40
DaemonFC	Factory farms are basically allowed to cause as much environmental damage as they want in Indiana.	May 22 19:40
MinceR	abeNd-org: indeed.	May 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Receives Security Updates from Debian	May 22 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fyOGCjVQFQ	May 22 19:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Windows OS 'replaceable' by Chinese	May 22 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	counterparts http://t.co/BAc8zFe8y5	May 22 19:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 4.3 Beta 1 Brings Progress Bar for	May 22 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	DOCX Import and More http://t.co/xIEWvNgDFR	May 22 19:42
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Sosumi	thai constitution suspended now	May 22 19:48
Sosumi	as for crapple, they can't even implement the system clock right	May 22 19:49
Sosumi	with trashcan users saying their machines are always 2 min forward in time	May 22 19:50
msb_	I still want to find the pix of the naked guy writhing with the trashcan in bed!	May 22 19:51
DaemonFC	Apple alone avoids paying $2.8 billion in federal taxes alone each year, not counting state taxes. Their headquarters is in California, but they avoid California taxes by registering a small office in Nevada as their "official headquarters". With this money, they stash it in Luxembourg, a tax haven, where they use it to buy US government debt, which pays them interest on the taxes they avoided. It's estimated that Apple now owns over $100 bi	May 22 20:36
DaemonFC	llion of interest-bearing US government debt. About 10% as much as the government of China. Apple's CEO, Tim Cook, said that "It's no Apple's problem to fix America's problems", and of course he was referring to the unpaid taxes and all of the jobs that Apple outsourced to third world countries. Apple shut down their last plant building Mac computers in 2002. The jobs paid over $12 an hour in 2002 dollars. They recently brought a few back to	May 22 20:36
DaemonFC	assemble their $10,000 Mac Pros. The jobs pay about $9. When you buy an iPhone, only 6% of the money stays in the US. It creates very few jobs in the US, and most of them are lousy jobs. Most of the jobs created are high tech jobs in Europe (largely Germany), which fund advanced college education for their citizens as a social benefit, and assembly operations in China. Apple is one of the most socially irresponsible companies in tech. Their	May 22 20:36
DaemonFC	assembly factories in China usually have several workers committing suicide every day to escape 70+ hour work weeks with unpaid overtime, where the company docks most of their pay for bad food and lice-infested overcrowded dorms. Apple was also a pioneer in convincing people that they don't need freedom if they call the computer a phone. Apple devices don't allow the user the freedom to install non-Apple approved software. This allows price	May 22 20:36
DaemonFC	fixing, censorship, digital restrictions management, and other forms of anti-customer abuse. The Department of Justice tried investigating this, but Apple paid off politicians like Obama, and the investigation is basically going nowhere now, just like what happened in US v. Microsoft. https://stallman.org/apple	May 22 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org \| Apple		May 22 20:36
DaemonFC	Posted that to Facebook....	May 22 20:36
Sosumi	msb_, that was probably the most disgusting I've ever seen on the internet	May 22 20:50
Sosumi	*thing	May 22 20:50
Sosumi	so lets keep it buried	May 22 20:50
msb_	Sosumi: A. You must lead a very sheltered life. B. It was a disgusting thing done by Apple, so it should not be buried.	May 22 20:52
DaemonFC	msb_, The figures I see suggest that reverse osmosis gets out 65-90% of the fluoride from water.	May 22 20:53
DaemonFC	That's certainly an improvement.	May 22 20:53
DaemonFC	It depends on the actual filter though.	May 22 20:53
cubezzz	msb_, I got unix version 1 running	May 22 20:53
msb_	And distillation gets out 100%	May 22 20:53
Sosumi	not done by apple	May 22 20:53
DaemonFC	The levels in a lot of areas are much higher than the CDC recommends.	May 22 20:53
Sosumi	but by a mactard	May 22 20:53
msb_	cubezzz: Wow, on what?	May 22 20:54
cubezzz	PDP-11/20 of course	May 22 20:54
cubezzz	alas, it's merely emulated, but it runs	May 22 20:54
DaemonFC	msb_, Won't hard water cause scale problems in a distillation unit?	May 22 20:55
cubezzz	PDP-11/20 with 32K and a 2.5 meg hard drive	May 22 20:55
msb_	DaemonFC: After every batch, you wipe out the boiler with paper towels. Once a week, you put in 1/4 inch of water with a couple tablespoons of vitamin C and carefully let it boil as you swirl it until the scale is dissolved, then unplug it and rinse/wipe it out. Takes about 5-10 minutes.	May 22 20:57
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/pdp-11-20.jpg	May 22 20:57
msb_	cubezzz: That is Damn Small Unix!	May 22 20:58
msb_	cubezzz: What's the emulator running on?	May 22 21:01
cubezzz	vector linux	May 22 21:02
cubezzz	looks like someone found roff for unix v1	May 22 21:08
cubezzz	some web pages say it was lost	May 22 21:09
cubezzz	so it's using 694 blocks out of 3380	May 22 21:09
cubezzz	I've under-estimated what early unix can do	May 22 21:11
DaemonFC	msb_, I can buy water from the vending machine for 37 cents a gallon, and it only takes about 20 seconds to fill each bottle.	May 22 21:11
msb_	So you are trusting not only the corporation, but the pimple-face kid they are paying $4.50/hour to follow their instructions.	May 22 21:12
DaemonFC	$4.50 an hour?	May 22 21:13
DaemonFC	Huh?	May 22 21:13
msb_	Not that much, eh?	May 22 21:13
DaemonFC	That's below the minimum wage.	May 22 21:13
abeNd-org	why should you get paid anyways?	May 22 21:16
abeNd-org	companies should just stop paying everyone	May 22 21:16
DaemonFC	Let what's left of the economy fall apart?	May 22 21:16
cubezzz	go back to barter system :)	May 22 21:16
DaemonFC	$7.25 an hour isn't enough to live on in the cheapest part of the United States, even if you get full time hours.	May 22 21:17
abeNd-org	no no, do what the democrats really want - everything is free	May 22 21:17
DaemonFC	abeNd-org, Well, the very rich want the system we had in the 1920s.	May 22 21:17
DaemonFC	And they've finally almost gotten us there.	May 22 21:17
abeNd-org	financial collapse?	May 22 21:18
DaemonFC	For everyone but themselves, sure.	May 22 21:18
DaemonFC	They caused the collapse intentionally.	May 22 21:18
abeNd-org	well great, then they can pay for everything	May 22 21:18
DaemonFC	They knew exactly how to make money and get their own money out before it all fell over.	May 22 21:18
DaemonFC	Just like they've done several times since then.	May 22 21:18
abeNd-org	sure, if they want this that to happen, what do they actually get out of it?	May 22 21:19
abeNd-org	richer yes, but everyone else out of work & dirt poor doesnt get them paid to buy goods to get the rich richer	May 22 21:19
cubezzz	you still need workers to maintain stuff	May 22 21:20
cubezzz	that never changes	May 22 21:20
abeNd-org	their nice mansions wont maintain themselves, even with a robot servant force	May 22 21:20
cubezzz	so anyways, the PDP-11/20 had the same amount of memory as a commodore 64	May 22 21:26
cubezzz	32,768 16-bit words or 65,536 8-bit bytes	May 22 21:26
cubezzz	no bad for 1972!	May 22 21:28
cubezzz	not	May 22 21:28
DaemonFC	abeNd-org, What we have here is basically a rent extraction system.	May 22 21:33
DaemonFC	The rich are parasites on working people.	May 22 21:33
DaemonFC	Bankers, landlords, payday loan companies, subprime car loans....	May 22 21:34
DaemonFC	check cashing services	May 22 21:34
DaemonFC	They're all enabled by bad employers like Walmart that pay, you know, about $8 an hour.	May 22 21:34
DaemonFC	And people work there as they get poorer and poorer. These people have way less than nothing.	May 22 21:34
DaemonFC	The alternative is stop working and starve immediately.	May 22 21:34
DaemonFC	Thanks to engineered high unemployment, people are coerced into working bad jobs that don't pay the bills.	May 22 21:35
DaemonFC	The employer basically gets labor that costs next to nothing, where the employee and taxpayers are covering the cost of their labor.	May 22 21:35
DaemonFC	To reverse this system, the minimum wage must increase, and it must be indexed to inflation.	May 22 21:36
DaemonFC	Some state and local governments are starting to realize that the federal minimum wage is making their state economies and tax revenues get scary-bad, and they're taking action themselves.	May 22 21:36
abeNd-org	right, but the people would eventually get the point where they have absolutely nothing	May 22 21:50
abeNd-org	and thats when they riot & kill the rich	May 22 21:51
amarsh04	that's what happens in Australia DaemonFC... schestowitz has reported on the minimum wage in Australia before	May 22 21:52
schestowitz__	it's not too bad in the UJ	May 22 21:56
schestowitz__	UK	May 22 21:56
schestowitz__	But there's a snag	May 22 21:56
schestowitz__	some get zero-hour contracts	May 22 21:56
schestowitz__	so even at minimum rate for hour they're not guaranteed minimum income	May 22 21:57
schestowitz__	and can be counted as "employed" nonetheless	May 22 21:57
schestowitz__	abeNd-org: correct, and that's why the rich are afraid and keep insecurity high, but not TOO high	May 22 21:58
schestowitz__	balancing what they can get away with (giving least capital to the bottom) without leading to starvation	May 22 21:59
schestowitz__	race to the bottom	May 22 21:59
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amarsh04	4 hour minimum on my award	May 22 22:16
DaemonFC	schestowitz, That's how most employment is in the US anyway.	May 22 22:22
DaemonFC	I know lots of people who work for $7.25 an hour and don't know how many hours they'll get each week.	May 22 22:23
DaemonFC	A friend of mine just told me that his check this week won't even cover his rent and that he's considering killing himself.	May 22 22:23
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DaemonFC	msb_, Well, I have a hard time buying the water fluoridation as a public health benefit story.	May 22 22:25
DaemonFC	The government in the US doesn't do anything it doesn't have to for the poor.	May 22 22:25
DaemonFC	And if fluoridation is so good for your teeth, then why do many people my age have rotting/disgusting/missing teeth?	May 22 22:26
MinceR	i have a hard time buying water fluoridation as a conspiracy theory story :>	May 22 22:26
DaemonFC	MinceR, It's a byproduct of the aluminum and fertilizer industries.	May 22 22:26
MinceR	still, i think putting fluoride in toothpaste is a far better delivery method	May 22 22:26
MinceR	DaemonFC: that sounds more credible indeed.	May 22 22:26
DaemonFC	They convinced the public that it could be dumped in the water to help your teeth so that they could get rid of it.	May 22 22:27
msb_	It was known that the Nazis had put fluoride in the prison water in WW2.	May 22 22:27
DaemonFC	Instead of having to pay someone to dispose of it somewhere, they get taxpayers to pay them for their waste, so it can be dumped into the water.	May 22 22:27
DaemonFC	And it's not the same fluoride that's in your toothpaste.	May 22 22:27
DaemonFC	The shit they dump in the water is Hexafluorosilicic acid, not sodium fluoride, in most places.	May 22 22:28
DaemonFC	The government can get hexafluorosilicic acid much cheaper, so that's what they tend to use.	May 22 22:28
MinceR	it is also known that hitler consumed DHMO.	May 22 22:29
MinceR	DaemonFC: i see.	May 22 22:30
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DaemonFC	MinceR, And like I said, Indiana is so contaminated that most communities don't have to add more.	May 22 22:30
DaemonFC	There's so much contamination that it gets them above the level that the law requires.	May 22 22:31
MinceR	elmex uses amine fluride, which they say is better :>	May 22 22:31
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MinceR	DaemonFC: how well known/proven is it that the fluoride level in water is high due to industrial contamination, as opposed to natural (mineral?) sources?	May 22 22:31
DaemonFC	msb_, Well, I think part of the reason that tap water is so disgusting is because of the bottled water companies.	May 22 22:32
DaemonFC	They said it was their goal all along to make tap water something you just flush the toilet and do your dishes with.	May 22 22:32
MinceR	:>	May 22 22:32
DaemonFC	They don't want it to be fit for drinking, else they can't sell you theirs.	May 22 22:32
DaemonFC	MinceR, When I get my water report from the city each year, they say they don't have to add fluoride because there's so much from fertilizer runoff in the water aquifer supplying our area anyway.	May 22 22:33
MinceR	ic	May 22 22:33
DaemonFC	There's a copy of it on the city website.	May 22 22:33
DaemonFC	http://www.huntington.in.us/egov/apps/document/center.egov?path=doc&id=2316&id2=2118&linked=0&fDD=31-104	May 22 22:34
DaemonFC	MinceR, Plus, the total dissolved solids level is pretty high, by tap water standards.	May 22 22:35
msb_	So if you think Hitler was concerned with the prisoners dental health, then you can believe the same about your govt.	May 22 22:36
DaemonFC	Lots of lime, mostly.	May 22 22:36
DaemonFC	msb_, Well, the Nazis weren't concerned about the dental health of their Jewish prisoners.	May 22 22:36
DaemonFC	They were ripping their teeth out to get their gold fillings before they gassed them to death.	May 22 22:36
MinceR	my government is emulating hitler but afaik they aren't fluoridating the tap water yet	May 22 22:36
DaemonFC	MinceR, Maybe Hungaristan doesn't have the kind of heavy industry that produces the shit.	May 22 22:37
MinceR	indeed	May 22 22:37
DaemonFC	So, they'd have to buy it from somewhere.	May 22 22:37
msb_	So why did hitler put in the fluoride?	May 22 22:37
MinceR	hungaristan doesn't have much in the way of heavy industry to speak of	May 22 22:37
DaemonFC	MinceR, It sounds like one of those European states where the main industry is printing money.	May 22 22:38
MinceR	the commies made sure pretty much none of the hungarian industry remained competitive, and then it was mostly shut down during the republic.	May 22 22:38
MinceR	:>	May 22 22:38
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DaemonFC	MinceR, The United States has a LOT of manufacturing left.	May 22 22:38
DaemonFC	Despite the outsourcing.	May 22 22:38
MinceR	they'll need it too, if they continue degrading their education :>	May 22 22:39
DaemonFC	The outsourcing mostly got rid of what couldn't be highly automated, and therefore required a lot of menial labor.	May 22 22:39
DaemonFC	Actually, it's getting to the point where you need some college or vocational training to get an entry level manufacturing job.	May 22 22:39
DaemonFC	But, the state and federal governments are not investing in American students.	May 22 22:40
DaemonFC	They're spending all this time and money bringing in foreigners and giving them highly valued skills, so that they can go back to where they came from and compete with Americans for skilled jobs.	May 22 22:40
DaemonFC	And while they're here, OUR government is spending OUR money to give them free shit.	May 22 22:41
DaemonFC	food stamps	May 22 22:41
DaemonFC	public housing	May 22 22:41
DaemonFC	education subsidies	May 22 22:41
DaemonFC	MinceR, It hasn't gotten as bad as the UK though.	May 22 22:42
DaemonFC	If schestowitz started talking bad about the invasion, his government would arrest him for being impolite or something	May 22 22:42
DaemonFC	But while all this shit is going on, I know plenty of Americans who can't get help with college and end up working dead end service jobs and can't even pay their fucking rent.	May 22 22:43
DaemonFC	That's why I said that half of Congress needs to be in prison, and the other half should be shot.	May 22 22:43
DaemonFC	If our government was worried about us, it would be taking care of American citizens first.	May 22 22:44
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DaemonFC	MinceR, There are some unskilled factory and warehouse jobs left.	May 22 22:45
DaemonFC	They don't pay what they used to.	May 22 22:45
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DaemonFC	You know, the stuff that left in 2006-2007 paid $14 an hour, and the same kind of jobs now pay $9-10.	May 22 22:45
DaemonFC	And the money is worth far less, so there's that too.	May 22 22:45
DaemonFC	It's got to be some kind of experiment to see how much shit people will take before they revolt, but they're ready for that too.	May 22 22:46
DaemonFC	If it happens, most of them will just get shot.	May 22 22:46
cubezzz	yes, it happened to Hostess' Bakeries	May 22 22:46
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cubezzz	they downsized and reduced wages	May 22 22:46
DaemonFC	Yeah, they were bought out by a hedge fund that destroyed the union and pocketed the extra profits.	May 22 22:47
DaemonFC	And they have people defending that.	May 22 22:47
DaemonFC	"Those people didn't deserve their paycheck!"	May 22 22:47
DaemonFC	Ridiculous.	May 22 22:47
DaemonFC	Everyone that works deserves to be paid.	May 22 22:47
cubezzz	certainly	May 22 22:48
DaemonFC	The fact that they have working people attacking other working people now just shows how good they are at brainwashing.	May 22 22:48
MinceR	i don't agree with that	May 22 22:48
MinceR	i've seen plenty of software the makers of which don't deserve to be paid for their "work"	May 22 22:48
cubezzz	that's forced down people's throats	May 22 22:49
cubezzz	you have to be fairly savvy to avoid it	May 22 22:49
DaemonFC	Well, it's just a job for a lot of them.	May 22 22:49
MinceR	yeah, a job that they do horribly badly	May 22 22:49
DaemonFC	I don't think that Microsoft treats most of their employees very well.	May 22 22:49
cubezzz	well, you can decide whether or not to pay for windows or twinkies :)	May 22 22:49
DaemonFC	I've heard that it's basically a three tiered system there.	May 22 22:50
cubezzz	there is a choice	May 22 22:50
cubezzz	personally, I said no to both :)	May 22 22:50
DaemonFC	There's management and a few senior employees that get good pay and benefits.	May 22 22:50
MinceR	yeah, you can decide whether to pay for windows or not to buy a pc to which it is tied	May 22 22:50
MinceR	you don't really need a computer, do you? :>	May 22 22:50
DaemonFC	Most are just contractors/temps.	May 22 22:50
DaemonFC	They don't get much of anything, really.	May 22 22:50
cubezzz	MinceR, come on, you know you can buy parts and assemble a PC	May 22 22:50
MinceR	not a laptop, though	May 22 22:51
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cubezzz	chromebook?	May 22 22:51
DaemonFC	I got a C720D chromebook for $145.	May 22 22:51
cubezzz	I mean, sure the situation is not ideal, but it's not impossible to get a laptop with linux on it	May 22 22:51
MinceR	in any case, the choices are reduced to a tiny fraction of the market	May 22 22:52
cubezzz	buy a laptop with no hard drive for example...	May 22 22:52
MinceR	usually with low-end specs	May 22 22:52
cubezzz	true	May 22 22:52
MinceR	they don't sell laptops with no HDD/SSD here	May 22 22:52
cubezzz	I realize it's not a perfect solution, but you can buy used laptops without a hard drive	May 22 22:53
cubezzz	many many places will sell them like that, as it's a security issue	May 22 22:53
cubezzz	computers owned by governments or hospitals or emergency workers	May 22 22:54
cubezzz	used panasonic toughbooks are very common	May 22 22:54
cubezzz	new stuff, I agree, very hard to find pre-loaded with Linux or non-windows	May 22 22:55
MinceR	gn	May 22 23:04
cubezzz	I can definitely remember many white box pc builders in the late 80's	May 22 23:04
cubezzz	and they wouldn't charge anything for software	May 22 23:04
cubezzz	they just loaded up your hard drive with copies of stuff	May 22 23:05
cubezzz	nowadays, I don't see the small PC builder as much	May 22 23:05
cubezzz	but there is a massive used market now	May 22 23:06
cubezzz	almost every computer retailer is selling refurbished machines	May 22 23:06
cubezzz	you can get used quad core boxes now	May 22 23:07
DaemonFC	I commented on Facebook:	May 23 00:13
DaemonFC	School lunch debt. America has to be the only developed nation where children can be in debt for heavily processed agricultural surplus that is foisted on them by the government.	May 23 00:13
DaemonFC	msb_, Another reason to drink distilled or reverse osmosis filtered water is the shit that hard water leaves on your teeth.	May 23 00:16
DaemonFC	That's why you have to go to the dentist every six months to get your teeth cleaned. Without that hard water, once a year is fine.	May 23 00:16
DaemonFC	That crap gets into your body and ends up in your saliva, and so you start getting deposits on your teeth.	May 23 00:17
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magneeto	hi guys	May 23 00:18
magneeto	I just switched to this ubuntu mother fucker and im told its not free enough	May 23 00:48
magneeto	what distro do I need to use to rid myself of evil	May 23 00:48
msb_	DaemonFC: Interesting! I didn't know that.	May 23 00:54
msb_	magneeto: What were you using before?	May 23 00:54
msb_	magneeto: I'm not sure you can rid yourself of evil. Unix and Linux are full of demons: http://www.freebsd.org/	May 23 01:05
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msb_	Of course, microsoft and apple are much worse.	May 23 01:05
msb_	Perhaps Debian GNU/Linux is blessed by Saint IGNUcius himself: https://stallman.org/saint.html https://stallman.org/saintignucius.jpg	May 23 01:13
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cubezzz	here's what FSF recommends:	May 23 01:21
cubezzz	http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html	May 23 01:21
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cubezzz	trisquel is geared more to education	May 23 01:21
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DaemonFC	Debian isn't recommended because it does offer some nonfree software.	May 23 02:09
DaemonFC	The FSF's guidelines say that they won't endorse a distribution that provides it in such a way that it makes it seem like it's recommended.	May 23 02:10
DaemonFC	So, if Debian stopped packaging it, but someone else provided it unofficially, then that would make Debian eligible for an endorsement.	May 23 02:10
DaemonFC	The key difference being is whether the distribution seems to suggest installing it or not.	May 23 02:11
DaemonFC	There's no requirement that it actively prevents you from installing nonfree software.	May 23 02:11
DaemonFC	Fedora doesn't qualify, but it is more free than Debian in the way the FSF has chosen to define it.	May 23 02:12
DaemonFC	Fedora doesn't package nonfree software, but it does include some device firmware that comes with the Linux kernel, which is under a binary-only redistributable license.	May 23 02:12
DaemonFC	They don't consider it to be software, because it doesn't run on the main CPU.	May 23 02:13
DaemonFC	Well, except for the CPU firmware, but that's not a big deal since your BIOS already loads nonfree firmware onto the CPU.	May 23 02:13
DaemonFC	All Fedora does is tell the CPU to unload the firmware that the BIOS downloaded onto it and replace it with more up-to-date firmware, which can fix processor bugs.	May 23 02:14
DaemonFC	The FSF has said that they wouldn't consider software running on these components to be software if it was burned into a ROM instead, which would effectively make it like a circuit.	May 23 02:15
DaemonFC	But, then you can never fix bugs.	May 23 02:15
DaemonFC	You'd end up with situations like the Pentium fdiv problem, where Intel had to recall the CPUs themselves.	May 23 02:15
DaemonFC	Although, sometimes it was possible to fix a CPU bug by putting a workaround in the operating system to prevent the CPU from entering a state where the bug would happen.	May 23 02:18
DaemonFC	The Cyrix Coma Bug is a good example of that.	May 23 02:18
DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_coma_bug	May 23 02:18
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DaemonFC	Someone that I was talking to about the satisfaction guaranteed rebates that I exploit said "Won't they catch on after a while?".	May 23 05:32
DaemonFC	I said "Oh, maybe, but I'll have hundreds of dollars worth of household consumables stockpiled by that point."	May 23 05:32
DaemonFC	Eagles may soar, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines.	May 23 05:32
DaemonFC	Besides, who was ever really 100% satisfied with anything when they got it home? I call bullshit on these people!	May 23 05:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Chief at Redhat Hit With Bogus	May 23 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	Copyright Claims http://t.co/fAXFuHQmQw	May 23 10:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Chief at Redhat Hit With Bogus Copyright Claims \| Tux Machines		May 23 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Notable Penetration Test Linux distributions of	May 23 10:11
TweetTuxMachines	2014 http://t.co/0wp13KUD54	May 23 10:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DRM in Firefox is The End of Our Digital	May 23 10:11
TweetTuxMachines	Security http://t.co/o9foJ6t8VG	May 23 10:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@go2n The KDE Daily News is out!	May 23 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FKH5s4xkDq Stories via @tuxmachines	May 23 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	@hallowdemonlive @girljennier	May 23 12:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should Linux be more like OS X?	May 23 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cf5t6Wqz9A	May 23 12:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should Linux be more like OS X?	May 23 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DrMZrbEiBH	May 23 12:00
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Sosumi	http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g3_d855_has_a_removable_battery_and_microsd_slot-news-8596.php	May 23 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com \| New LG G3 D855 image shows battery and microSD slot - GSMArena.com news [ http://ur1.ca/hd733 ]		May 23 13:03
Sosumi	awesome	May 23 13:03
Sosumi	32GB flash and 3 GB ram	May 23 13:04
Sosumi	basically, a galaxy S5 killer	May 23 13:04
MinceR	even if the s5 wasn't region locked :>	May 23 13:05
Sosumi	well, that too	May 23 13:05
msb_	Black.Box.S01E05 is super wonderful!	May 23 13:08
msb_	Psychedelic	May 23 13:09
*TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Should Linux be more like OS X? http://t.co/DrMZrbEiBH'		May 23 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Catalyst On Ubuntu 14.04 Linux Competes Well	May 23 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	With Windows 8.1 http://t.co/3zd81r9gJ5	May 23 13:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Catalyst On Ubuntu 14.04 Linux Competes Well With Windows 8.1 \| Tux Machines		May 23 13:14
MinceR	141139 * TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Should Linux be more like OS X? http://t.co/DrMZrbEiBH'	May 23 13:15
MinceR	No. Next question!	May 23 13:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mark Shuttleworth Says That Ubuntu Is Now the	May 23 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	Biggest OS in the Cloud http://t.co/kqgCR4iZCr	May 23 14:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Using LVM’s new cache feature	May 23 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Io8oXlWi2t	May 23 14:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla: Publish and be DRM'd!	May 23 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PWWqfSD6bg	May 23 14:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Sirius are recruiting. We are looking for	May 23 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	talented Drupal developers to join our	May 23 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	engineering team. If you are interested get in	May 23 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	touch.	May 23 17:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LXLE 14.04 Beta Wants to Be a Complete	May 23 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	Replacement for Windows XP and Windows 7	May 23 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R4SHjGL9bs	May 23 17:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android-x86 4.4 RC2 KitKat Is a Linux Distro	May 23 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	for PCs Based on the OS from Google	May 23 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RqK7JR2unv	May 23 19:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP's $1bn 'Linux for the cloud' dream: Will	May 23 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	Helion float? http://t.co/FXO4XZmiBG	May 23 19:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam's In-Home Steaming Is a Wake-up Call for	May 23 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	Windows, Linux Is Growing Stronger	May 23 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ho3ld9laG7	May 23 19:00
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DaemonFC	I was talking about all the video games coming to GNU/Linux on Facebook.	May 23 20:18
DaemonFC	Someone said that GNU/Linux is a small part of the "market", so I said....	May 23 20:18
DaemonFC	Enough people have moved from Windows to GNU/Linux that game developers are starting to notice. The people who made the first wave of migration to GNU/Linux on the desktop still represent a small share of total computer users, but we are also the most profitable users for video game companies, because we tend to be a technical bunch that know what we're doing.	May 23 20:18
DaemonFC	Valve noticed that many of their "Windows XP" users were actually running Steam for Windows in Wine (software) on GNU/Linux (Wine reports itself as Windows XP by default), so Valve ported Steam to GNU/Linux, along with a bunch of games.	May 23 20:18
DaemonFC	So, that explains why video game companies highly prize GNU/Linux users.	May 23 20:18
DaemonFC	It's like saying that a restaurant has a loyalty club that gives you a free meal every fifth time you go in there. Obviously, it benefits the people who eat there very often more than it benefits the people that hardly ever go in. So, you may only benefit 5-10% of your customers, but those are your highly loyal customers who represent 60% of your restaurant's profit.	May 23 20:18
DaemonFC	There's been two big migration events to GNU/Linux. The first wave was when Windows Vista came out and it was slow, unusable garbage, even on a brand new PC. It crashed all the time, and everyone thought it was so awful that many people exercised downgrade rights to XP, or bought a copy of XP and replaced Vista with it (thus paying for Windows twice!), or made the switch to GNU/Linux, even if their favorite apps weren't there, and just made	May 23 20:22
DaemonFC	the best of Wine because it was still less painful than Vista.	May 23 20:22
DaemonFC	And, that was the wave that I was in, where I got rid of Windows and just started using GNU/Linux basically all the time.	May 23 20:23
DaemonFC	Then Windows 7 settled everything down for a while because it fixed most of the horrible things about Vista, but now Windows 8 is causing the second migration because it's completely horrible again.	May 23 20:23
DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-bar	May 23 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Mini-bar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		May 23 20:25
DaemonFC	I remember some old movie where there were a bunch of drag queens in a hotel. They started drinking all of the "brown" colored mini bottles of liquor and then refilling them by brewing tea with the complimentary teabags.	May 23 20:26
DaemonFC	http://www.smarttravelasia.com/HotelTheft.htm	May 23 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smarttravelasia.com \| A fun, anecdotal article on what hotel guests steal from their rooms, we look at disappearing hangers, pillows, toiletries, towels, bathrobes and even televisions, by Philippa Young, illustration by Pat Leidl, and more from Smart Travel Asia and Dancing Wolf Media. [ http://ur1.ca/hd96q ]		May 23 20:29
DaemonFC	I remember that mom was talking about one of her childhood friend's rich parents.	May 23 20:29
DaemonFC	They would hoard ketchup packets, napkins, and straws that they got at McDonalds.	May 23 20:29
DaemonFC	They had a bunch of towels with hotel names on them.	May 23 20:29
DaemonFC	Rich people really are terrible. Millions of dollars in the bank, steals a towel and ketchup packets. WTF?	May 23 20:30
DaemonFC	She said that the guy used to sit there in the kitchen filling his ketchup bottles from the restaurant packets.	May 23 20:31
DaemonFC	It's like, "What are you doing with your life?".	May 23 20:31
DaemonFC	http://www.punny.org/money/stealing-restaurant-condiments-its-time-to-settle-an-age-old-debate/	May 23 20:33
DaemonFC	lol	May 23 20:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.punny.org \| Stealing Restaurant Condiments: It’s Time To Settle An Age-Old Debate \| Punny Money [ http://ur1.ca/hd98f ]		May 23 20:33
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/story/148869/the_shaving_racket_--_how_are_gillette_and_schick_getting_away_with_ripoff_razors	May 23 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| The Shaving Racket -- How Are Gillette and Schick Getting Away with Ripoff Razors? \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/hd9bn ]		May 23 20:39
DaemonFC	I didn't notice any real difference between five blade and three blade, other than the five blade costs twice as much.	May 23 20:40
DaemonFC	More really, because Gillette releases these $3 off coupons. That makes the Sensor 3 $1.98 for a 4 pack, but the Fusion disposables are still $8.98 for four.	May 23 20:40
DaemonFC	They put the picture of the expensive razors on the coupon, but it says "any Gillette men's razors", so they work on the Sensor 3's as well.	May 23 20:41
DaemonFC	I stock up whenever that coupon comes up again.	May 23 20:41
DaemonFC	And they won't admit it, but the "Simply Venus" three blade razors that are the same price as the Sensor 3, shave exactly the same.	May 23 20:42
DaemonFC	So if you run out of men's razor coupons and want more, use the "women's razor" coupons too.	May 23 20:42
Snowleaksange	heh both filling your own condiment bottles with free ketchup packets, and really devoted systematic coupon leveraging seems like episode of ultimate cheapskates	May 23 20:42
DaemonFC	Snowleaksange, I see people doing stupid shit all the time.	May 23 20:43
DaemonFC	For some reason, everyone I know buys $5.96 toothpaste.	May 23 20:43
DaemonFC	I buy the 88 cent toothpaste when I have no coupons, and I get it for free every once in a while because it goes on sale, and I have a matching coupon.	May 23 20:43
DaemonFC	Then they're all like "I have $3 in the bank and my car is on E!".	May 23 20:44
Snowleaksange	how many hours per month in coupon leveraging activity	May 23 20:44
DaemonFC	Well, when you go in there and pay 600% of what you have to for every little thing, that's what happens.	May 23 20:44
Snowleaksange	or week	May 23 20:44
DaemonFC	I don't know. It's right down the street and I do it when I'm bored.	May 23 20:45
DaemonFC	I've worked it out. Sometimes I make $7-8 an hour, sometimes I make $30-40. :P	May 23 20:45
Snowleaksange	seems like could make shopping take 2x as long easily	May 23 20:45
DaemonFC	Snowleaksange, Well, there are these blogs that tell you when and where to use your coupons, but Walmart price matches all of them.	May 23 20:46
Snowleaksange	maybe its still winning financially, but important to consider opportunity-cost (ie time spent)	May 23 20:46
DaemonFC	So, if a $5 bottle of shampoo goes on sale for $3 at Dollar General, and you have a $2 off coupon, then it will still be $1 a bottle at Walmart.	May 23 20:46
DaemonFC	So, that's how I stockpile things.	May 23 20:46
DaemonFC	I probably have a few years worth of everything, but it never expires, and my entire personal item budget is probably less than $1 a week.	May 23 20:47
Snowleaksange	have u ever seen the show ultimate cheapskates, you can watch episodes online	May 23 20:47
DaemonFC	Extreme Cheapskates?	May 23 20:47
DaemonFC	Yeah, but most of that is fraud	May 23 20:47
Snowleaksange	oh yeah maybe thats it	May 23 20:47
DaemonFC	like, fake coupons	May 23 20:47
DaemonFC	that's illegal	May 23 20:47
DaemonFC	I don't do anything illegal.	May 23 20:47
Snowleaksange	i didnt think they did either	May 23 20:47
DaemonFC	Oh yeah, that episode with the 16 year old boy that filled his parents garage with soap and toilet paper and laundry detergent and stuff.	May 23 20:48
DaemonFC	Like thousands of dollars worth.	May 23 20:48
Snowleaksange	lol	May 23 20:48
DaemonFC	They had him on an episode. He went and bought $500 worth of Quilted Northern toilet paper at the grocery store.	May 23 20:48
Snowleaksange	thats like what would happen if you turned evil	May 23 20:48
DaemonFC	The coupons wouldn't scan, but a manager overrode the computer because he figured it was legit because it was on a TV show.	May 23 20:49
DaemonFC	Then the manufacturer said the coupons were fake and wouldn't redeem them, so the store contacted the district attorney.	May 23 20:49
DaemonFC	The kid's mother ended up having to go into the store and pay hundreds of dollars.	May 23 20:49
MinceR	the extreme expensiveskate	May 23 20:49
Snowleaksange	you would personally bankrupt the local walmart with illegal coupon use and be first fake coupon peddler on FBIs most wanted list	May 23 20:50
DaemonFC	http://list25.com/the-25-biggest-ways-you-are-being-ripped-off/	May 23 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-list25.com \| 25 Biggest Ways You Are Being Ripped Off [ http://ur1.ca/hd9il ]		May 23 20:51
DaemonFC	The oil change ripoff reminds me of what Monro does.	May 23 20:51
DaemonFC	They have a $17.99 oil change coupon that you can use if it's Wednesday.	May 23 20:51
DaemonFC	But you get in there, and they add "fees" to it, and you pay closer to $30.	May 23 20:52
DaemonFC	Walmart is $26.88.	May 23 20:52
DaemonFC	But the shop that I go to all the time will do one for $20.	May 23 20:52
DaemonFC	So I go to Walmart for tires, but the local shop for an oil change.	May 23 20:52
Snowleaksange	going back to the oppotunity cost thing, the problem i have with using coupons is youre essentially saying to yourself, my time is not worth 1000$ an hour	May 23 20:52
Snowleaksange	maybe thats just realism but im not prepared to accept it	May 23 20:53
MinceR	+	May 23 20:54
Snowleaksange	1000$ a little much but what it its 20$	May 23 20:56
Snowleaksange	basically coupon leveraging is a job that pays a salary	May 23 20:57
Snowleaksange	how much $/hr is key q	May 23 20:57
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Snowleaksange	also that you dont know off top of your head leads me to guess your motivation might actaully related to experiencing the psychological state of "saving"	May 23 20:59
Snowleaksange	rather than quantitative cost normalized benefit	May 23 20:59
DaemonFC	No, I don't use them for anything I wouldn't otherwise buy.	May 23 21:00
DaemonFC	And there's a lot of times where the coupon makes no difference at all, because it's not high value enough to make a cheaper product less desirable.	May 23 21:01
Snowleaksange	so many sweet classes on coursera.org	May 23 21:03
Snowleaksange	im signing up for more	May 23 21:03
DaemonFC	OF course, you can get four three blade razors from Dollar Tree for $1, but they're no good.	May 23 21:04
Snowleaksange	lot of them exact same classes taught in expen$sive graduate program	May 23 21:04
Snowleaksange	for free. so thats a decent coupon	May 23 21:04
DaemonFC	I made that mistake once. The razors were all dull to start with.	May 23 21:04
DaemonFC	So, you save nothing if the product is unusable. :)	May 23 21:04
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MinceR	http://www.dailytech.com/Fiat+CEO+Dont+Buy+a+500e+EV+Youre+Costing+Me+14000+Each/article34951.htm	May 23 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailytech.com \| DailyTech - Fiat CEO: Don’t Buy a 500e EV, You’re Costing Me $14,000 Each		May 23 21:37
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, they wouldn't have to build the Ford Focus if they'd stop making gas guzzling SUVs that get 10 miles a gallon.	May 23 21:40
DaemonFC	Just saying....	May 23 21:40
MinceR	:>	May 23 21:40
MinceR	they don't have to build anything :>	May 23 21:40
DaemonFC	CAFE is Corporate AVERAGE Fuel Economy. When you have 10 mpg SUVs and the CAFE standard is 22.5 mpg, you have to make some Ford Focuses	May 23 21:41
MinceR	foci :>	May 23 21:41
DaemonFC	MinceR, If they improve their gas mileage on the SUVs, they won't have to make as many cheap little cars to compensate for that.	May 23 21:41
DaemonFC	The CAFE standard is going up because gas prices have gone up.	May 23 21:42
DaemonFC	The more gasoline you have to sell, the higher the price for a gallon of it is going to be.	May 23 21:42
DaemonFC	Limited supply meets heavy demand, and prices go up.	May 23 21:42
DaemonFC	So, when people drive a gas hog, they're costing everyone that drives anything more money.	May 23 21:43
DaemonFC	It's just basic economics.	May 23 21:43
DaemonFC	The SUV owners should be glad that there are people driving reasonable vehicles, or they'd be paying $6-7 a gallon for their SUVs.	May 23 21:43
DaemonFC	They've externalizing the cost of their SUV onto other people, and they're basically getting a huge subsidy.	May 23 21:44
DaemonFC	The downside of using less gas is that states are raising their gas taxes again, because the highway funds are drying up.	May 23 21:44
MinceR	it's a conspiracy!	May 23 21:44
abeNd-org	& adding toll roads to already existing roads....	May 23 21:45
DaemonFC	abeNd-org, Yeah, the third phase of the I-69 expansion is a "public private partnership".	May 23 21:46
abeNd-org	hah i69 - michigan?	May 23 21:47
DaemonFC	In other words, the state is making payments on it which are more expensive than if it just issued bonds.	May 23 21:47
DaemonFC	Indiana.	May 23 21:47
abeNd-org	they have an exit to a street named "big beaver road" off i69 in michigan	May 23 21:47
MinceR	:>	May 23 21:47
abeNd-org	yea, they are doing a lot of the public private partnership here in TX too	May 23 21:56
abeNd-org	the only public thing about it is the drivers paying for it & all the money going private	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source use may rise where proprietary	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	systems cannot lower costs	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MzuTA7DSZ4	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdad5	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NHS told: Make patient record systems open	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	source http://t.co/z3Rxa2PwCV	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdad6	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Browsers will Flash Linux into the future or	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	drag it into the past http://t.co/NYdhoGlhqU	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdad7	May 23 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD “Bald Eagle” APUs target high-end embedded	May 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/J18yZxdYnl	May 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdad8	May 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Netrunner 14 RC1 Is Based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS,	May 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	but It Looks Much Better http://t.co/H0OofDcxKW	May 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdad9	May 23 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source use may rise where proprietary systems cannot lower costs \| Tux Machines		May 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ClearOS 6.6 Beta 1 Released	May 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vzhlA5NUe7	May 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdada	May 23 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NHS told: Make patient record systems open source \| Tux Machines		May 23 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Browsers will Flash Linux into the future or drag it into the past \| Tux Machines		May 23 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD “Bald Eagle” APUs target high-end embedded Linux \| Tux Machines		May 23 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Netrunner 14 RC1 Is Based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS, but It Looks Much Better \| Tux Machines		May 23 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| ClearOS 6.6 Beta 1 Released \| Tux Machines		May 23 21:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines With Valve On Linux, Has LGP Lost All	May 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	Relevance? http://t.co/92fpmQQclT	May 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdah9	May 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GTK+ Gestures Support Merged	May 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6wa3HtR0oC	May 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdaha	May 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Test driving NVIDIA GRID Workspace (Windows	May 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	client). Linux client is in the works	May 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VwHIzENipx	May 23 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdahb	May 23 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| With Valve On Linux, Has LGP Lost All Relevance? \| Tux Machines		May 23 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GTK+ Gestures Support Merged \| Tux Machines		May 23 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Test driving NVIDIA GRID Workspace (Windows client). Linux client is in the works \| Tux Machines		May 23 22:35
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/labor/6-bad-things-have-happened-greedy-walmart-recently	May 23 23:04
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DaemonFC	MinceR, I rather liked Paul Volcker's assessment of the US dollar some years ago.	May 23 23:42
DaemonFC	He said that the dollar was depreciating, but that it didn't matter, because other major currencies would have to gain against it significantly to replace it, and that wasn't going to happen in the foreseeable future.	May 23 23:43
DaemonFC	Basically, "Yeah, we're bad, but they're worse."	May 23 23:43
DaemonFC	schestowitz__, You can't tell anyone who you voted for in the UK?	May 23 23:46
DaemonFC	That's kind of stupid.	May 23 23:47
DaemonFC	2 secs ·	May 23 23:50
DaemonFC	There's an "endangered species chocolate bar" at Kroger now, which says they'll donate some of the profits to protecting endangered species.	May 23 23:50
DaemonFC	I picked it up and joked "Real endangered species in every bite!".	May 23 23:50
MinceR	:>	May 23 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based eyewear tracks eye movements	May 23 23:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-based eyewear tracks eye movements \| Tux Machines		May 23 23:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tux Machines Turning 10 on June 10th	May 23 23:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tux Machines Turning 10 on June 10th \| Tux Machines		May 23 23:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How FOSS Brought New Life To My Once	May 23 23:56
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-Unfriendly Laptop http://t.co/e3v4dkAVi1	May 23 23:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdat5	May 23 23:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How FOSS Brought New Life To My Once Linux-Unfriendly Laptop \| Tux Machines		May 23 23:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My first patch http://t.co/SjLTa7F8hW	May 24 01:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdb0w	May 24 01:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Becoming a ‘First Class Member’ of the	May 24 01:12
TweetTuxMachines	Unreal Engine Family http://t.co/4R2BefpqkH	May 24 01:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdb0x	May 24 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| My first patch \| Tux Machines		May 24 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Becoming a ‘First Class Member’ of the Unreal Engine Family \| Tux Machines		May 24 01:12
MinceR	gn	May 24 02:02
DaemonFC	msb_, According to Dr. Mercola, reverse osmosis removes 90% of the fluoride.	May 24 02:29
DaemonFC	If that's true, then that would bring down my water's level to about 0.14 ppm instead of 1.4 ppm.	May 24 02:30
msb_	DaemonFC: That would depend on the exact type of RO membrane. Besides, distillation removes all of it.	May 24 02:30
DaemonFC	I don't question that sodium fluoride in toothpaste has proven benefits, but that's different.	May 24 02:30
DaemonFC	And you're applying it directly to the teeth and then rinsing and spitting most of it back out.	May 24 02:30
DaemonFC	There's no real evidence that putting it in the water provides more benefits than brushing properly, three times a day, with toothpaste.	May 24 02:31
DaemonFC	msb_, I don't see any reason to worry about removing all of it.	May 24 02:32
msb_	I like my pineal gland. Fluoride destroys it.	May 24 02:32
DaemonFC	The problem seems to be that beyond a certain level, it has negative effects.	May 24 02:32
DaemonFC	The state of Indiana cut the required amount in half some years back.	May 24 02:32
DaemonFC	Because people's teeth were turning brown because of too much in the water.	May 24 02:33
DaemonFC	The way Indiana is set up is in such a way where the state government makes most local decisions.	May 24 02:33
DaemonFC	There's no ability for local governments to decide to stop fluoridating the water. It's a state law.	May 24 02:33
DaemonFC	So, ratepayers in those communities have to pay to add the fluoride to get the water up to the minimum legal level.	May 24 02:34
DaemonFC	msb_, California is much different.	May 24 02:34
DaemonFC	You guys have voter initiatives and stuff. If your state government is not doing what you want it to, you can overrule it and create laws without their approval.	May 24 02:35
DaemonFC	We don't have that in Indiana, but we need it.	May 24 02:35
cubezzz	msg_, wrote my first fortran program for Unix v5	May 24 02:35
cubezzz	msb_, rather	May 24 02:35
DaemonFC	Indiana still has a bunch of "war on drugs" assholes, so even with 56% approval for decriminalizing marijuana possession among Indiana citizens, that's going nowhere.	May 24 02:36
DaemonFC	You'd think if 56% of the public wants rid of a law, that the law should be repealed.	May 24 02:36
DaemonFC	I mean, usually.	May 24 02:36
DaemonFC	When there's something that shouldn't be up for a vote, I think it should go into the constitution, and that that should be harder to modify.	May 24 02:37
DaemonFC	Indiana is basically a very corporate government.	May 24 02:37
msb_	cubezzz: Congrats!	May 24 02:37
DaemonFC	The Koch brothers and other wealthy industrialists run the state.	May 24 02:38
DaemonFC	They get whatever they want.	May 24 02:38
msb_	cubezzz: I once wrote a Fortran program that printed out its own source code.	May 24 02:39
DaemonFC	msb_, I'd buy a distillation unit, but it's a big up front expense. It seems to take a long time to produce a small amount of water.	May 24 02:39
DaemonFC	There's lime scale issues that I'm sure would be just terrible with our tap water.	May 24 02:39
cubezzz	msb_, a quine you mean?	May 24 02:39
DaemonFC	Reverse osmosis is a pretty ingenious system. Pretty much all of that crap just gets backflushed into the sewer.	May 24 02:40
DaemonFC	:)	May 24 02:40
msb_	cubezzz: Is that what such a program is called?	May 24 02:40
cubezzz	a quine is a computer program which takes no input and produces a copy of its own source code as output	May 24 02:40
cubezzz	msb_, there was a tiny bit of fortran source code in Unix v1	May 24 02:43
cubezzz	I was able to adapt it to Unix v5 & v6	May 24 02:43
msb_	DaemonFC: $160, 4hr/gallon, clean it as necessary. No worries about a pinhole in the RO membrane, or how well the corporation is maintaining the RO machine. But suit yourself.	May 24 02:45
msb_	DaemonFC: Use ascorbic or citric acid to dissolve the scale. Vinegar will damage the seal.	May 24 02:46
msb_	I used to write Fortran-callable subroutines to connect flying-spot scanner, nuclear modules, to PDP6/10 and Eclipse.	May 24 02:48
cubezzz	I didn't realize you worked on PDP-6	May 24 02:48
msb_	Yep.	May 24 02:48
cubezzz	do you have any program listings from that era?	May 24 02:49
msb_	Once made an emitter-coupled logic circuit to interface with a nuclear module (used for photon-counting in biology).	May 24 02:49
msb_	cubezzz: Not that I'd know where to find.	May 24 02:50
cubezzz	ok, yeah I think you mentioned that before	May 24 02:50
cubezzz	it was a pretty rare machine from what I understand	May 24 02:50
msb_	Had a live-in technician. Once showed me a 2-foot square PC board -- one bit of the accumulator.	May 24 02:52
cubezzz	yes, I hear it was tempermental :)	May 24 02:53
msb_	It was connected via a parallel cable to a LINC or PDP8 in a lab in the basement. Six floors!	May 24 02:55
msb_	Home-made transistor drivers for each bit. Insane!	May 24 02:55
msb_	I guess it was before ethernet.	May 24 02:55
cubezzz	so for removable media it had... paper tape?	May 24 02:56
msb_	Or maybe the cable went up to a PDP8 next to the PDP6.	May 24 02:56
msb_	DecTapes	May 24 02:56
msb_	and magtapes.	May 24 02:56
msb_	Tape-eating magtapes.	May 24 02:57
cubezzz	well it would be the drives that ate the tapes surely :)	May 24 02:58
msb_	Stretched them, more precisely.	May 24 02:58
cubezzz	ok, I thought I saw a paper tape reader in the picture	May 24 02:58
msb_	I'm sure there was one, for booting.	May 24 02:58
msb_	With a plastic boot-tape for long life.	May 24 02:59
msb_	They did experiments with chlorophyll, where the reaction was started by a nanosecond pulse from a Q-switched ruby laser.	May 24 03:01
msb_	The measurement light for it was a xenon flashlamp powered by a multiple pi-section tunable delay line charged to a KV or more. Adjust the cores to get a flat light pulse.	May 24 03:02
msb_	The measure signal was recorded on a polaroid camera on a 450 MHz oscilloscope. Nothing could digitize that fast.	May 24 03:03
msb_	Then a flying-spot scanner -- oscilloscope, big lens, photomultiplier tube in a dark box -- would scan the photograph under PDP8 control, the result read in by a driver in Fortran.	May 24 03:05
msb_	Fun, eh?	May 24 03:05
cubezzz	a lot of improvising it seems like	May 24 03:07
cubezzz	yeah, I was talking to another guy about early unix posters which were created by phototypesetting	May 24 03:08
cubezzz	interesting stuff	May 24 03:09
msb_	cubezzz: Improvising? How else to do it?	May 24 03:09
cubezzz	ok, prototyping then :)	May 24 03:09
cubezzz	I don't know how else it could be done in that time period	May 24 03:09
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britton_Chance Director of the multi-lab foundation.	May 24 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Britton Chance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hdbfb ]		May 24 03:10
msb_	We made it work!	May 24 03:10
cubezzz	well I would say that early work in any field involves some experimentation	May 24 03:11
cubezzz	you can't just read a book and do it	May 24 03:11
msb_	I'm very proud of that flat-pulse xenon flasher.	May 24 03:11
cubezzz	IBM had something called an optical mark page reader	May 24 03:12
cubezzz	and a display copier	May 24 03:12
cubezzz	that was mid-60s	May 24 03:12
cubezzz	sure, you should be proud :)	May 24 03:12
msb_	We used a lot of photomultiplier tubes.	May 24 03:13
msb_	The only thing that could measure biochemical reactions that fast was light.	May 24 03:13
cubezzz	I can only imagine the stories you heard from guys one generation earlier than you	May 24 03:13
*cubezzz nods		May 24 03:14
cubezzz	so what did you guys use for an OS for the PDP-6?	May 24 03:14
cubezzz	I know a bit about PDP-7, but not the PDP-6	May 24 03:15
msb_	I worked on a microspectrophotometer. Sent monochromatic reference and measure light beams through a microscope (with quartz optics). Could measure reactions in the nucleus of a cell, compensated by a reference path through the cytoplasm. Beams switched by a mechanical chopper.	May 24 03:15
msb_	I don't remember what the OS was called.	May 24 03:17
msb_	On the teletype terminal, they all looked the same. 8^)	May 24 03:18
msb_	The PDP6 may have used discrete transistor logic. Why the PC boards were so big.	May 24 03:19
msb_	I remember there were pulse transformers in those circuits.	May 24 03:20
cubezzz	evidently there are no surviving PDP-6's	May 24 03:20
cubezzz	which doesn't surprise me	May 24 03:21
msb_	DEC folks were generally nice to work with.	May 24 03:22
cubezzz	not like Microsoft eh? :)	May 24 03:22
msb_	Gack!	May 24 03:22
cubezzz	actually, you experienced the pre-Microsoft era, I'm a bit jealous	May 24 03:23
msb_	Not that I've talked to anyone from MS for 14 years, except their stooges on Usenet.	May 24 03:23
cubezzz	well I have... I talked to folks from Microsoft Canada	May 24 03:23
cubezzz	SCO was more friendly	May 24 03:24
cubezzz	of course this was the original SCO	May 24 03:24
msb_	I live about 50 miles N of Santa Cruz.	May 24 03:25
cubezzz	you ever use SCO Xenix?	May 24 03:25
msb_	Nah.	May 24 03:25
msb_	Maybe. I've done a lot of little consulting jobs.	May 24 03:25
cubezzz	Xenix was sort of a closed-source Unix v7	May 24 03:26
cubezzz	so re-discovering Unix v7 is like a breath of fresh air after using Xenix :)	May 24 03:26
msb_	I never really got into the differences among various Unices.	May 24 03:27
cubezzz	well everything diverged from Unix v7, so I think it's worth learning about	May 24 03:28
msb_	Sun had one that ran on a 386 machine, used that at Stanford. Funky,	May 24 03:28
cubezzz	that could be why a lot of people don't really like Unix	May 24 03:29
cubezzz	due to the Unix wars back in the 1980s	May 24 03:29
cubezzz	but it's the clear antecedent of modern Linux and BSD	May 24 03:30
msb_	The CLI commands were all the same. I didn't even notice one version from another.	May 24 03:30
msb_	Seems like there was some change in tty i/o at some point. I had to alter some of my routines.	May 24 03:31
cubezzz	there's detritus in unix which is a bit different in every version	May 24 03:32
msb_	Same in Linux. KDE4, systemd...	May 24 03:32
cubezzz	yes :)	May 24 03:32
msb_	Invasion of the Improvers	May 24 03:32
cubezzz	well try Unix v1, and you'll appreciate most of the improvements	May 24 03:33
cubezzz	I mean, most of the new ideas are good	May 24 03:33
cubezzz	some, like KDE4 or systemd, not so much	May 24 03:34
msb_	I will never use KDE4.	May 24 03:34
cubezzz	glibc is bloated, the result of years of accumulated changes, different cpu architectures, and god knows what else	May 24 03:34
msb_	From what I was told, it may be a MS plot to fuck up Linux.	May 24 03:35
msb_	I don't imagine systemd will affect me much, at the user level.	May 24 03:35
cubezzz	ah, folks will just go to a distro that supports what they like	May 24 03:36
cubezzz	it's impossible to really mess up Linux	May 24 03:36
msb_	I will use Trinity if Suse drops KDE3.	May 24 03:36
cubezzz	OpenBSD still uses KDE3	May 24 03:36
cubezzz	and xfce is pretty useable	May 24 03:37
cubezzz	I don't think the BSD folks are using systemd	May 24 03:37
msb_	So I'm told. Are the desktop names retained across reboots in xfce? Does it remember the desktop locations of xterms/konsoles/	May 24 03:38
cubezzz	I don't use it enough to answer that	May 24 03:38
cubezzz	you normally use umm, I forget which terminal program exactly, not konsole anyway	May 24 03:40
msb_	There's a guy here called XFaCE.	May 24 03:40
msb_	Yes, konsole is KDE.	May 24 03:41
cubezzz	I'm using icewm on this box, I just never logout	May 24 03:43
cubezzz	last logout was due to a utility power failure 86 days ago	May 24 03:44
cubezzz	slackware is classic bsd style init scripts	May 24 03:46
cubezzz	I think you can still use Classical SysV style init on debian	May 24 03:47
cubezzz	I assume you can revert back to SysV style init on distros that use systemd?	May 24 03:47
cubezzz	I haven't upgraded any operating systems to latest and greatest in a number of years	May 24 03:49
cubezzz	I think the newest one I have is fedora 16	May 24 03:49
msb_	I dunno. Reversion from systemd to init might require lots of reversions in various system programs.	May 24 03:51
cubezzz	I'll just make my own distro at some point	May 24 03:51
cubezzz	I bet other folks will also, just look at distrowatch	May 24 03:52
msb_	As long as I can get it to boot, set up fstab, and use my trackball and whatever audio chip on my mobo, and of course KDE3/Trinity that's about all I need.	May 24 03:53
msb_	I'm a Linux user, not a system guy.	May 24 03:56
cubezzz	well I've installed v6 and v7 from the source tapes so I'm ready :)	May 24 03:59
cubezzz	I'll maybe try systemd on one machine, just to check it out	May 24 04:00
cubezzz	my gut instinct is I don't like it	May 24 04:00
msb_	The Monster that Ate Chicago.	May 24 04:01
cubezzz	if you want a Bell Labs, there's Plan 9	May 24 04:20
cubezzz	Bell Labs style OS	May 24 04:20
cubezzz	most folks are not into that	May 24 04:20
cubezzz	Patrick Volkerding says he is sticking with a BSD-style of SysV design	May 24 04:22
cubezzz	GNOME 3 seems to need systemd	May 24 04:24
cubezzz	the other one that keeps popping up is OpenRC	May 24 04:25
cubezzz	I mean we don't still use Thompson shell, so new ideas always need to be evalutated	May 24 04:27
cubezzz	if it's overly complicated or slow, or hard to maintain then I don't want it	May 24 04:28
msb_	cubezzz: The time may come when I will need to emigrate. Most of my friends are ex-pats. A job with Cubix in Canada would be very nice.	May 24 05:31
msb_	cubezzz: Did you ever see _The Handmaid's Tale_ ? It made a big impression on me.	May 24 05:33
cubezzz	Atwood wrote a science fiction novel? Hard to believe	May 24 05:38
cubezzz	no, I haven't seen the film or read the book	May 24 05:38
msb_	More political horror than science fiction.	May 24 05:39
cubezzz	dystopian	May 24 05:40
msb_	yep. But very good!	May 24 05:49
cubezzz	sometimes I wonder what inspired George Orwell to write 1984	May 24 05:52
msb_	It's certainly all around us now.	May 24 05:55
msb_	https://image.bayimg.com/famedaabb.jpg	May 24 05:56
cubezzz	no Thought Police yet :)	May 24 05:57
cubezzz	you could argue we have the telescreens though	May 24 06:00
XFaCE	[00:55:18]<msb_> [22:35:52] So I'm told. Are the desktop names retained across reboots in xfce? Does it remember the desktop locations of xterms/konsoles/	May 24 06:00
XFaCE	no idea off hand	May 24 06:00
XFaCE	never had to think about that	May 24 06:00
cubezzz	there's a broader question too re: window managers	May 24 06:01
msb_	The US govt has murdered at least 2,000,000 people A. to maintain US petrodollars and B. to destroy any kind of economy in which the workers get a fair share. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4	May 24 06:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| The Road to World War 3 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hbgqb ]		May 24 06:02
cubezzz	does it retain across switches in wm's?	May 24 06:02
cubezzz	msb_, we're going to get off oil one way or the other	May 24 06:03
msb_	Hopefully. But it's not going to happen soon. It's making too much money for the ultra-wealthy.	May 24 06:03
cubezzz	msb_, I'm switching into xfce now so I'll be able to answer your question in a minute	May 24 06:04
msb_	The 2,000,000 murders are all since 2001. And the US govt did 9/11 to justify them.	May 24 06:04
cubezzz	ha, interesting	May 24 06:05
cubezzz	firefox restarts in xfce with the same tabs and info	May 24 06:05
msb_	Sure. It has its own state file.	May 24 06:05
msb_	sessionstore.js	May 24 06:06
cubezzz	yes, I delete that sometimes	May 24 06:06
cubezzz	ok, xfce does seem to retain the xterm's	May 24 06:06
msb_	You have multiple named virtual desktops running?	May 24 06:07
cubezzz	yes, I have multiple-multiple virtual desktops running :)	May 24 06:07
cubezzz	fvwm, icewm, KDE, mwm, Ratpoison, xfce 4 and failsafe	May 24 06:09
msb_	What I mean is, when running a single DE, like xfce, do you have multiple desktops in that?	May 24 06:12
cubezzz	yes	May 24 06:12
cubezzz	but I don't run a single DE usually	May 24 06:12
msb_	And those desktops and their names and contents are preserved across xfce restarts?	May 24 06:13
cubezzz	yes	May 24 06:13
msb_	Great!	May 24 06:13
cubezzz	I'm still learning new things about KDE 3.X even though I've been using it for 11 years	May 24 06:16
cubezzz	but then, I'm just learning about Unix v1 today :)	May 24 06:17
cubezzz	there's supposed to be a meteor shower in 45 mins	May 24 06:18
cubezzz	oh I should show you my KDE 3 video	May 24 06:19
cubezzz	might be of some interest	May 24 06:19
cubezzz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtRBoi1At_0	May 24 06:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| konsole demo - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hdc7c ]		May 24 06:20
msb_	cubezzz: sorry, I'm having trouble following what you're doing in that video. Needs voice explanation.	May 24 06:28
cubezzz	just make it bigger	May 24 06:28
cubezzz	it should work even on a slow machine	May 24 06:28
cubezzz	anyways, it's just using sessions and coloured tabs in konsole	May 24 06:31
msb_	I only use one session per konsole.	May 24 06:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MIPS Open-Source Group Takes Aim at ARM, Intel	May 24 07:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R6Tz04EsUT	May 24 07:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MIPS Open-Source Group Takes Aim at ARM, Intel \| Tux Machines		May 24 07:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The inside story of the open source PC, and how	May 24 07:06
TweetTuxMachines	it could stop you being a slave to your	May 24 07:06
TweetTuxMachines	hardware http://t.co/mN0TZy97m1	May 24 07:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdcbl	May 24 07:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The inside story of the open source PC, and how it could stop you being a slave to your hardware \| Tux Machines		May 24 07:06
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msb_	cubezzz: See any meteors?	May 24 08:51
cubezzz	no	May 24 08:51
cubezzz	nothing, I looked for half an hour	May 24 08:51
msb_	Too bad. The fun part is when you see one land and hear unscrewing noises.	May 24 08:52
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470112663625031680	May 24 09:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stmanfr: @schestowitz @wikileaks_forum This conception of whistleblowing is outdated to me & dangerous for whistleblowers & highly instrumentalizable		May 24 09:07
roy	[23:44] <DaemonFC> schestowitz__, You can't tell anyone who you voted for in the UK?	May 24 09:08
roy	I don't vote	May 24 09:08
DaemonFC	I do, but I'm not thrilled about it.	May 24 09:12
DaemonFC	There's going to be a government either way.	May 24 09:12
roy	[20:48] <DaemonFC> http://list25.com/the-25-biggest-ways-you-are-being-ripped-off/	May 24 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-list25.com \| 25 Biggest Ways You Are Being Ripped Off [ http://ur1.ca/hd9il ]		May 24 09:13
roy	Nice list	May 24 09:13
roy	https://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470114876653076480	May 24 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, that page does not exist		May 24 09:15
roy	https://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470115228475473920	May 24 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stmanfr: @schestowitz @wikileaks_forum as long as single points of failure & centralized/pyramidal architectures are everywhere.		May 24 09:16
DaemonFC	schestowitz__, I got out of Walmart with 16 Gillette Sensor 3 razors for $7.76	May 24 09:16
DaemonFC	They sent out a bunch of $3 off coupons that said "any gillette men's razors", but then they coded it to not scan for their cheaper ones.	May 24 09:17
DaemonFC	But the cashier overrode all of them. hehe	May 24 09:17
roy	[22:39] <DaemonFC> If schestowitz started talking bad about the invasion, his government would arrest him for being impolite or something	May 24 09:17
roy	No, they can harass a person in other ways	May 24 09:17
roy	as they do now	May 24 09:17
roy	I needed to pay a lawyer recently	May 24 09:18
DaemonFC	What did they do?	May 24 09:18
roy	:"as long as single points of failure & centralized/pyramidal architectures are everywhere. Crypto-anarchists know it cannot work"	May 24 09:19
roy	https://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470115940055928833	May 24 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stmanfr: @schestowitz @wikileaks_forum Crypto-anarchists thinking about whistleblowing can DEMONSTRATE current centralized methods lead to disasters.		May 24 09:19
roy	[22:39] <DaemonFC> MinceR, It hasn't gotten as bad as the UK though.	May 24 09:19
roy	Actuall, the US is worse off. Here there's usually a living wage even for the least paid people	May 24 09:20
roy	the issue which remains is zero-hour contracts and need to work to get social benefit that one already paid for while employed	May 24 09:20
DaemonFC	you mean like retirement?	May 24 09:21
roy	[22:36] <DaemonFC> MinceR, The United States has a LOT of manufacturing left.	May 24 09:21
roy	Like prison labour?	May 24 09:21
roy	DaemonFC: not retirement, unemployemtn	May 24 09:21
roy	to put it simply	May 24 09:21
roy	joe works for 10 years	May 24 09:21
roy	pays $20,000 in tax	May 24 09:21
roy	joe then loses his job	May 24 09:21
roy	can't find another	May 24 09:21
roy	needs to work for private company for free to get $200 per month from his social program that he was forced to pay into while employed	May 24 09:22
roy	and some private company profits from joe's free labour	May 24 09:22
DaemonFC	$200?	May 24 09:22
DaemonFC	Where do you live on $200?	May 24 09:22
roy	just saying, depends on the case	May 24 09:22
roy	he'd probably get free housing too	May 24 09:22
roy	so think of $50 per week for food etc.	May 24 09:22
DaemonFC	there's some of that here	May 24 09:22
DaemonFC	yeah, Section 8 housing and food stamps	May 24 09:23
roy	anyway, for people who rely on the state tp support them when not self-sufficient or on a payroll is becoming hard	May 24 09:23
DaemonFC	No living wage, but you can qualify for low income subsidies if you make minimum wage	May 24 09:23
DaemonFC	including the earned income tax credits	May 24 09:23
roy	big business are recovering here	May 24 09:23
roy	at the expense of the poor	May 24 09:23
DaemonFC	same here	May 24 09:24
roy	some of whom are forced to work for free for big corporations	May 24 09:24
DaemonFC	They're getting record profits on minimum payroll	May 24 09:24
roy	interbnments, social programs, etc/	May 24 09:24
roy	interships	May 24 09:24
roy	LOL	May 24 09:24
roy	not internments :-)	May 24 09:24
msb_	cubezzz: Apparently _The Handmaid's Tale_ is out of print -- $36 from amazon. But a very good online copy -- in the bay -- yo-ho-ho.	May 24 09:24
roy	which would be a more suitable term actually	May 24 09:24
DaemonFC	schestowitz__, Walmart just opened over 100 new stores while decreasing jobs by like 15,000.	May 24 09:24
roy	maybe automatic tills	May 24 09:25
DaemonFC	Of course, their sales are starting to go negative, but in the short term it looks good.	May 24 09:25
roy	we have more and more of them here	May 24 09:25
roy	in the past you could approach a real person	May 24 09:25
roy	but they're cutting down on people	May 24 09:25
DaemonFC	Yeah, that was all that was open earlier, when I was there.	May 24 09:25
DaemonFC	It was packed.	May 24 09:25
roy	so waiting time is increasing uunless you work with a machine	May 24 09:25
roy	same in the bank I just ditched, NatWest	May 24 09:25
DaemonFC	They had one cashier running around trying to fix problems people were having on eight different self-checkouts.	May 24 09:25
roy	wow, so walmart gives no option other than machines now?	May 24 09:26
roy	I didn't go to asda any time recently and never bought anything there, so I don't know what this wal-mart-owned grocer is doing	May 24 09:26
DaemonFC	Well, register 17 has to be open, but that's the only regular checkout that they keep open most of the time now.	May 24 09:26
roy	ah, yes	May 24 09:26
roy	the person who 'helps' with machines	May 24 09:26
DaemonFC	It's always packed with people buying cigarettes because that's the only lane that can sell them.	May 24 09:26
roy	I saw that at the airport	May 24 09:26
msb_	Too bad if people spoof the barcodes.	May 24 09:27
DaemonFC	When I worked at Walmart, 10 years ago, there were no self checkouts.	May 24 09:27
DaemonFC	10-15 cashiers on at all times.	May 24 09:27
DaemonFC	Well, over 4,000 stores, that's a lot of people who are employed.	May 24 09:27
msb_	45" TV looks like a roll of paper towels.	May 24 09:27
schestowitz_log_	good	May 24 09:27
schestowitz_log_	that's also better service	May 24 09:28
schestowitz_log_	they can answer questions	May 24 09:28
schestowitz_log_	so wal-mart is becoming some kind of self-running business	May 24 09:28
DaemonFC	yeah	May 24 09:28
DaemonFC	There's now two cashiers.	May 24 09:28
schestowitz_log_	now, if only they could get more automated stocking of shelves	May 24 09:28
DaemonFC	The tobacco lane and the self-checkout attendant.	May 24 09:28
schestowitz_log_	So much for "job creators"	May 24 09:28
roy	I guess their vision if one of oligarchs and dependends	May 24 09:30
roy	one or few people running a centre ofull of machines	May 24 09:30
roy	like amazon	May 24 09:30
DaemonFC	yeah, thousands and thousands of cashiers jobs, just gone	May 24 09:30
roy	and everyone else begging for pennies from them	May 24 09:30
roy	I guess they'll find that it leads to violent rebellion	May 24 09:30
DaemonFC	Well, they say it helps them keep prices low, as prices increase.	May 24 09:30
DaemonFC	:)	May 24 09:30
roy	haha	May 24 09:32
roy	I heard that from some silly banksters' doorman	May 24 09:32
roy	"it's good for you"	May 24 09:32
roy	then I lectured him	May 24 09:32
roy	he too would be made redundant next	May 24 09:32
roy	they don't reduce prices, they improve margins	May 24 09:33
roy	by sharing less with their staff	May 24 09:33
roy	of which there's less (declining staff))	May 24 09:33
roy	I never knew a store or bank that reduced costs over time	May 24 09:33
roy	they use inflation as excuse to always hike prices	May 24 09:33
DaemonFC	roy, yeah	May 24 09:34
DaemonFC	I just go to Walmart to coupon and stock up and cat litter and stuff.	May 24 09:34
roy	we're pushed into it	May 24 09:34
roy	I still buy at Sainsbury's for some of their low-cos stuff, but Aldi is the main one and also Cooperative, Wing Yip (for Asian products), and a few others	May 24 09:35
roy	Sainsbury's delivers to one's home	May 24 09:35
roy	that actually CREATES jobs	May 24 09:35
roy	it involved drivers, personal shoppers etc.	May 24 09:35
roy	and is more environmentally-friendly	May 24 09:35
roy	one truck with many deliveries rather than one car per household	May 24 09:36
roy	The till workers are still there	May 24 09:36
roy	In fact, it basically offloads the work from the customer	May 24 09:36
roy	and creates new jobs	May 24 09:36
roy	for small shops it's hard to compete with this, though	May 24 09:36
roy	do you have home deliveries in Huntington?	May 24 09:36
DaemonFC	nope	May 24 09:39
DaemonFC	Well, from Amazon maybe.	May 24 09:39
DaemonFC	Walgreens will let you make a shopping list and they'll bag it and ring it up and have it ready when you get to the store.	May 24 09:39
roy	amazon is evil stuff	May 24 09:42
roy	for many reasons	May 24 09:42
roy	and it harms jobs, not creating jobs	May 24 09:42
DaemonFC	I heard that they hire more people than they need just so they'll have extras right away when people quit. :P	May 24 09:43
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roy	https://twitter.com/bdcory/status/470138239974899712	May 24 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bdcory: @schestowitz Americans suffer from ignorance, apathy & blinded by two-party politics. In other words, we're too f---ing dumb.		May 24 10:48
roy	http://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2014/05/22/except-issa-san-diego-delegation-supports-nsa-changes/	May 24 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofsandiego.com \| Except for Issa, San Diego Delegation Supports NSA Changes \| Times of San Diego [ http://ur1.ca/hdd4e ]		May 24 10:49
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roy	http://www.theawl.com/2014/05/a-drone-tried-to-kill-me-at-a-gizmodo-party	May 24 11:13
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roy	http://www.longislandpress.com/2014/05/23/will-obamas-drone-strike-memo-mention-long-islands-khan/	May 24 11:16
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roy	http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/23/right-wing-fringe-party-ukip-sweeps-to-power-in-uk-poll.html	May 24 11:22
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roy	LOL http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mafp38agtk1qj26eao1_500.jpg	May 24 14:12
roy	https://twitter.com/onedeliveryuk/status/470189426669543424	May 24 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@onedeliveryuk: @schestowitz Have you checked our website out yet? :) #kfc #mcds #burger king #nandos delivery..:)		May 24 14:12
MinceR	geekings	May 24 14:14
MinceR	lol	May 24 14:14
roy	http://www.moggyblog.com/media/users/admin/norwegianforestcat.jpg	May 24 14:39
roy	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mekh9bW8wM1rbknb3o1_500.gif	May 24 14:41
roy	https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dApe9RpI9tA/U3-EXLnzcgI/AAAAAAACQhI/gsNpW2iMSaM/w464-h825-no/Spectrum+of+Bagan+by+Pakpoom+Tirachittanuwattana.jpg	May 24 14:41
roy	http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1400929102626704_animate.gif	May 24 14:42
roy	http://rt.com/news/161044-ukraine-helicopter-checkpoint-attack/	May 24 15:11
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roy	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4137902	May 24 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: <h3>About Liars and Jumping to Conclusions</h3> Dishonest people are infuriating because they force the rest of us to do a lot of extra work and inherently force logical inconsistencies on us. To protect ourselves we often have to act on incomplete information. In the worst cases, dishonest people make us doubt our honest neighbors and ourselves. Microsoft is a particularly outrageous collection of liars and		May 24 15:13
roy	https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1464688_615487381853330_1836728393_n.jpg	May 24 16:20
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roy	MinceR: https://31.media.tumblr.com/0331fd8f6f617618fbe8773b16c5ca28/tumblr_n624e1hMjb1qdlh1io1_250.gif	May 24 17:12
MinceR	lol	May 24 17:13
MinceR	probably not as planned	May 24 17:13
roy	he doesn't go get food	May 24 17:13
MinceR	jumping on the counter would have been easier, most likely	May 24 17:15
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4140313	May 24 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Browsers will Flash Linux into the future or drag it into the past http://www.techrepublic.com/article/browsers-will-flash-linux-into-the-future-or-drag-it-into-the-past/		May 24 17:43
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schestowitz__	"	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	This guy is just a troll, but I'm feeling randy so I'll bite. First and foremost: flash is dying. If you're talking about being held back from the future you should be talking about still supporting flash.	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	"I get it, they want to stick with as much open source as possible..." that is by no means the only reason to use Chromium. It is available on more platforms. Chrome is known to have privacy violations that Chromium does not. Chromium is sometimes available from your repo. Etc..	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	"Because I found it more reliable, up-to-date, and it had more of the plugins I needed." Bullshit, retarded, and false. Chromium is always at least as up-to-date as Chrome, because the updates happen in Chromium first. And they use the same plugins. Reliability is a little harder to prove, but I have seen no difference whatsoever and I have extensive experience with both. This sentence alone proves the guy is either an idiot or, more	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	likely, a bad liar.	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	"I see, all too often, died in the wool open-source users refusing to install software by Google (or other entities), because they don't adhere to the GPL." Really? How many people do you know that shriek in horror when they come across something that is BSD-licensed?	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	"With companies like Google behind it, Linux could take over the world!" It already did precisely that, jackass. Ever heard of Android? Chromebooks? A few feet from me sits a Samsung T.V. my wife bought from WalMart - it runs Linux. Linux runs elevators and road signs. Linux is the most common OS in the world, and most of those installations are in perverted corporate forms.	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	"If Linux doesn't succeed, open source cannot succeed." Can you think of a sentence more obviously false? "open source" is an approach to software development - its fate is absolutely not tied to the fate of one particular kernel. Ever heard of the BSD family? I hear they have some pretty big corporations involved too (Apple). And the Lord knows you'd never get open source software on a closed OS like Windows /sarc.	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	"But if Linux is to win over new users, it cannot, in any way, depend on those new users extracting APIs from one browser and rolling them into another." If those users want/need flash and don't want to use the NAPI plugin and don't want to roll Pepper in, then they can install a browser that does what they need. How is this a problem? Most of my computers have Chromium, Chrome, Firefox, and other browsers installed. I'll play whack-	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	a-browser for the poorly-designed websites (which would include the ones which use flash).	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	"For new users to accept Linux as a desktop platform of choice, said platform needs to work out-of-the-box." Bullshit. Have you ever seen a new user use Ubuntu's flashy package management thing? It's not a problem.	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	"If it means Linux gains more support and a larger install base, how can you not see this as a winning situation?" ... "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	"Could that "push" actually come from the open-source community itself? I believe so." So now you contradict the entire article up to this point? Awesome. Well I'll tell you what, that extra push would have nothing to do with Flash.	May 24 17:43
schestowitz__	"	May 24 17:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4140295	May 24 17:44
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schestowitz__	"Or allow it to be used as an input device maybe?"	May 24 17:44
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msb_	cubelog: Amiga in the news! http://www.nowseethis.org/invisiblephoto/posts/108/essay/5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oqUd8utr14	May 24 18:44
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msb_	cubezzz: see above	May 24 18:45
MinceR	http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b5514e97c192d4d499dcc7cf3d462b9/tumblr_n5zk5vW7Dr1qzcv7no3_500.jpg	May 24 18:58
MinceR	how should one look for unused domain names if one wants to avoid potential squatters finding out which ones are wanted?	May 24 19:56
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DaemonFC	shared a link via Indiana Progressive Liberals.	May 24 20:43
DaemonFC	15 seconds ago	May 24 20:43
DaemonFC	http://www.heraldbulletin.com/breakingnews/x1396859018/Indiana-GOP-debates-gay-marriage-line-for-platform	May 24 20:43
DaemonFC	Hopefully, the Supreme Court will free us from this before they get around to putting a constitutional ban on the ballot and letting Indiana voters prove what a bag of dicks they can be.	May 24 20:44
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DaemonFC	http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140524/world/Ukip-party-scores-a-huge-win-in-UK-local-elections.520361	May 24 20:46
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DaemonFC	I got a letter from Nigel Farage when I e-mailed the MEPs asking them to vote no on ACTA.	May 24 20:47
DaemonFC	All I really know about him is that he was emphatically opposed to ACTA, which is good.	May 24 20:47
MinceR	there probably are worse things about him	May 24 20:48
MinceR	the greens are opposed to ACTA (and TTIP, and similar crap), though	May 24 20:48
DaemonFC	MinceR, It would be bad for most Europeans just like it would be bad for most Americans.	May 24 20:48
DaemonFC	We've lost control of our own government, but it appears that Europe still has some democratic tendencies left.	May 24 20:49
DaemonFC	I think it really says everything when I give up trying to ask my own Congress Critters to block those deals and start asking foreign politicians to do that instead.	May 24 20:49
DaemonFC	MinceR, Losing control of the internet by the people will require the US government to bully other countries into passing the laws it wants them to pass. Simply doing it here only affects people when they're under the jurisdiction of the United States. Like, I can't share some software with you, but you could share it with me, so my government wants your government to make sharing with me illegal for you.	May 24 20:51
DaemonFC	Obviously, it would be better if I could stop the US government from doing nasty things to Americans, but failing that, it's in my best interest if your government doesn't cooperate.	May 24 20:53
DaemonFC	And it has no reason to cooperate on the terms of "intellectual property" agreements, so the US is sugar coating this crap with "We'll give you access to cheap natural gas that we're poisoning Americans to extract via fracking!".	May 24 20:54
DaemonFC	With "intellectual property", Hungary and the EU would mostly be on the losing end, because you'd end up legitimizing American "IP" claims, and getting nothing in return.	May 24 20:55
MinceR	indeed	May 24 20:55
DaemonFC	Since the United States is already so rotten that it allows foreigners that we have no trade deals with to register things like patents here, and gouge Americans with them.	May 24 20:55
MinceR	the EU is also willing to negotiate secret "trade deals" that change its laws	May 24 20:56
MinceR	this should be changed	May 24 20:56
DaemonFC	So, what we end up with are things like European pharmaceutical companies getting US patents and charging me $600 a month for a drug that costs $50 in Germany.	May 24 20:57
DaemonFC	MinceR, Apparently, the US wants to export natural gas to the EU, and I believe that's where the pressure on the EU to sanction Russia is coming from.	May 24 21:06
MinceR	it's probably not the only source	May 24 21:07
MinceR	not everybody likes the idea of being run over by russians.	May 24 21:07
DaemonFC	The US needs somewhere for the excess gas to be sold to, and cutting off Europe from the Russian market makes ours easier to sell.	May 24 21:07
MinceR	especially if one's dictator is making deals that favors putin.	May 24 21:07
MinceR	and this is not the first time when dependence on russian gas is a huge issue for europe.	May 24 21:08
MinceR	they're not trustworthy.	May 24 21:08
DaemonFC	MinceR, Neither is the US government.	May 24 21:23
MinceR	probably more so than russia, though	May 24 21:23
MinceR	plus if the EU can ship gas from the USA via ships, it can ship from almost anywhere	May 24 21:23
DaemonFC	Both have a "Give us what we want or we'll hurt you." attitude.	May 24 21:23
DaemonFC	Shower you with gifts if you accept the deals.	May 24 21:24
MinceR	different standards, though	May 24 21:24
DaemonFC	Russia's government is more repressive than ours.	May 24 21:24
MinceR	indeed.	May 24 21:24
DaemonFC	It doesn't enforce environmental protection standards as well, it cracks down on gay people for what would be first amendment protected speech here.	May 24 21:24
DaemonFC	If you protest Putin, then you will go to prison.	May 24 21:25
DaemonFC	There's no doubt about it.	May 24 21:25
DaemonFC	There's picketers outside the US capital all the time.	May 24 21:25
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4141634	May 24 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: good karma ![](http://37.media.tumblr.com/0d771a5abcc82806f6a02a8f07b2d864/tumblr_n5y989trtE1qdlh1io1_400.gif)		May 24 22:19
schestowitz__	"Now they just need to paint that tire white..."	May 24 22:19
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4141649	May 24 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### Did you know... that under the Nazi-Regime in Germany also male homosexuals were put into concentration camps? And that even after WWII German laws against homosexuality weren't changed for many years, and homosexual victims of the nazis weren't rehabilitated? I recently read a biography about maybe the last homosexual camp-surviver (at least the last one known - because these people obviously lea		May 24 22:20
schestowitz__	"	May 24 22:20
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schestowitz__	The way the "Allies" won out against the "Axis" was by, in some ways, becoming the fascists that they were trying to defeat.	May 24 22:20
schestowitz__	Mandatory military service for able-bodied men (and women, in the case of the USSR). Putting people with different skin color or who speak different languages into prison camps, building the world's biggest bomb before the other guys. And subjecting homosexuals to torture, driving them to suicide.	May 24 22:20
schestowitz__	But everything turned out for the best. Oh, yes.	May 24 22:20
schestowitz__	"	May 24 22:20
schestowitz__	"	May 24 22:20
schestowitz__	That's a bit of an understatement.	May 24 22:20
schestowitz__	I don't know who this quote is by but it wraps up my thoughts on this topic rather well.	May 24 22:20
schestowitz__	"The United States did not win World War II, Fascism did." - Some Bloke	May 24 22:20
schestowitz__	"	May 24 22:20
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cubezzz	msb_, question for you...	May 24 23:55
cubezzz	when you worked on the PDP-6, where was that?	May 24 23:55
msb_	cubezzz: University of Pennsylvania, Johnson Foundation.	May 24 23:58
cubezzz	ah thanks	May 24 23:59
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Snowleaksange	hey schesto	May 18 05:20
Snowleaksange	just independently invented that nickname	May 18 05:20
schestowitz_log_	not new though :)	May 18 05:22
schestowitz_log_	My dad has been called that almost his whole life	May 18 05:22
schestowitz_log_	and some relatives of mine too. For me it's rather rare to be called that	May 18 05:23
schestowitz_log_	meh. Just found this in my timeline: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_212a5ba14fb44b0af1a3.png	May 18 05:23
schestowitz_log_	Snowleaksange: been a quiet long weekend for me, I will start posting some stuff about NSA et al. again as time permits	May 18 05:23
Snowleaksange	ah cool	May 18 05:24
Snowleaksange	i havent been keeping up with politics	May 18 05:24
Snowleaksange	been in the codemines crafting mithril	May 18 05:25
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/467959464273117184	May 18 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Been a long 3-day weekend, time to resume and catch up even though it's Sunday. Lots new in Greenwald's book.		May 18 06:04
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/467962046500569088	May 18 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz did you notice p. 32 Snowden wrote: "join the open source community"...?		May 18 06:04
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467963616772489216	May 18 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz any good? I'm not going to lie I'm severely tempted to purchase a copy.		May 18 06:06
schestowitz_log_	I reckon I can get the gist online	May 18 06:06
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467971415808155648	May 18 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz so Amazon sale item but not full price in Wh Smiths.		May 18 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antergos 2014.05.14 RC Is a Distro Based on	May 18 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME 3.12 with Numix Artwork	May 18 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TVjrOyCVV9	May 18 06:17
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schestowitz_log_	Amazon is evil. I'd never buy from them.	May 18 06:17
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467972751412969472	May 18 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I agree but where else to buy books, I live in Middle Earth and we don't have a book store. Mainly as locals can't read.		May 18 06:26
schestowitz_log_	I'd say it's more ethical to download a copy than to buy from Amazon	May 18 06:26
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467974147578937344	May 18 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough oh how govt failed to provide education. @schestowitz		May 18 06:27
schestowitz_log_	When did govt. ever provide education rather than nationalism and conformism for corporate value?	May 18 06:27
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467975328066174976	May 18 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @SEEVed practically never, no wonder we have so many educated stupid people unaware of the world they live in.		May 18 06:31
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467975658321100800	May 18 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz let me see there was... never mind its all math, writing & indoctrination @Messgorough		May 18 06:32
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467976258534772736	May 18 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz But where to download from, so many places for Ebooks have vanished thanks to Kindles.		May 18 06:35
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467976904541478912	May 18 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz we got a bit of Shakespeare thrown in which was inspiring as genital warts.		May 18 06:37
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467976930763878400	May 18 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough @schestowitz like this guy http://t.co/wJPnTqvz7a @20committee has a PhD in History as he keeps referring 2 when he cant debate		May 18 06:37
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467977464149336065	May 18 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough that's because they didn't compare it to hip hop like this http://t.co/XnFnvFnhHk @schestowitz		May 18 06:39
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467977909492539392	May 18 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz @20committee Yeh well American history has the bad stuff cut out and some good old nazi whooping and patriotism added.		May 18 06:43
schestowitz_log_	Wow, @20committee must be a satirical account. Only a damn ***ing fool would talk like this.	May 18 06:43
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467978493377404928	May 18 06:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @SEEVed @schestowitz "is this a dagger I see before me", Yeh homie gimmie ya phone & wallet. Ghetto Shakespeare		May 18 06:44
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467978998329643008	May 18 06:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: ROTFL, @schestowitz RT Former #NSA Official Thinks A Blog Containing Nothing But His Own Tweets Is 'Defamatory' http://t.co/l5E2J7yaMk		May 18 06:44
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/467980353588965376	May 18 06:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @SEEVed American stupid is where despite constant evidence the person believes themselves correct against all opposition.		May 18 06:52
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467981728506605570	May 18 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough 4 minute history lesson http://t.co/UMdmSNmleP @schestowitz		May 18 06:56
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467981755430240256	May 18 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: John R Schindler has a small Google Scholar presence. I found great JR Schindler deer browsing paper @schestowitz :) http://t.co/FRHYJtACFN		May 18 06:56
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schestowitz_log_	So @20committee not that bright. Maybe that's why he joined Nazi Surveillance/Assassination (NSA). Real Schindler's lists.	May 18 06:57
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467982378552414208	May 18 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough it is very politically active @schestowitz		May 18 06:58
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/467983252788367361	May 18 07:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @Messgorough this one goes after the Media after 9/11 http://t.co/zevQ3kHstS @schestowitz		May 18 07:03
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DaemonFC	Master Shake: [rapping] Happy birthday Jesus / You are the one / Coming down to Earth / From planet Krypton / Rollin out tracks and getting it on / like the 'Wrath of Khan' with Ricardo Montalban / It rained fishes and loaves on the bitches and the hos / They said they want some mo' and he said, "Hell no!" / Yo I got the flow / You ghost ridin the whip / And you suckin on my-	May 18 07:04
DaemonFC	Michael: Okay, let's cut it there.	May 18 07:04
DaemonFC	Master Shake: [breathes] Whoo! I was hoping to get the word 'ding-dong' in on that take, but I ran out of breath.	May 18 07:04
schestowitz_log_	http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/big-data-beyond-the-nsa-106653.html?ml=po_r	May 18 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.com \| Who watches the watchers? Big Data goes unchecked - Josh Gerstein and Stephanie Simon - POLITICO.com [ http://ur1.ca/hc8t4 ]		May 18 07:19
schestowitz_log_	Jay Rockefeller pro NSA?	May 18 07:19
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467991888675762176	May 18 07:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: .@schestowitz @20committee All academics need to #CheckEgoAtDoor		May 18 07:38
schestowitz_log_	maybe he's inspired by his boss Michael Hayden	May 18 07:39
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/wbgleason/status/467993130844037120	May 18 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wbgleason: RT @dawnbazely: .@schestowitz @20committee All academics need to #CheckEgoAtDoor } Once in a very blue moon ...		May 18 07:42
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/467993755594014720	May 18 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Arlington: Birthplace of #NSA #Surveillance http://t.co/2WDYp5kGCh Arlington: the only place that ever took my fingerprints		May 18 07:44
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/20committee/status/467993954609553408	May 18 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: WINNER / RT @schestowitz: 20committee not that bright that's why he joined Nazi Surveillance/Assassination (NSA). Real Schindler's lists.		May 18 07:45
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467981755430240256	May 18 07:45
schestowitz_log_	"dumbass." Wow, it must be Hayden.	May 18 07:46
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/20committee/status/467994208822112256	May 18 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @dawnbazely @schestowitz Jason, dumbass		May 18 07:46
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/Nel_Mezzo/status/467995038971355137\	May 18 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nel_Mezzo: @20committee @schestowitz has taken trolling to a whole new level. WINNER indeed.		May 18 07:53
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467995077806411776	May 18 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: .@schestowitz Tnx for heads up. That #CareBears banner's an idea for a whole new NSA/CSIS branding strategy! cc @20committee @wbgleason		May 18 07:53
schestowitz_log_	"Do not want!" (mass surveillance)	May 18 07:53
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467995840586723329	May 18 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee Or, possibly one of those auto-generated tweet responders. I think there's one for #PrincessBride fans 1/2		May 18 07:54
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/467996350840590336	May 18 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee Prof. Schindler likely has never experienced anon student feedback from large pre-med courses cc @wbgleason		May 18 07:54
schestowitz_log_	Given what we see in leaks, the real "trolling" comes from people working with NSA inter alia	May 18 07:55
MinceR	geekings	May 18 07:55
schestowitz_log_	https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulatihttps://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/on/	May 18 07:56
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schestowitz_log_	https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/	May 18 07:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org \| How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Intercept [ http://ur1.ca/gp1cn ]		May 18 07:57
schestowitz_log_	http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/blog/cyberbizblog/2014/05/the-nsa-wants-fewer-employees-driving-themselves.html	May 18 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com \| The NSA wants fewer employees driving themselves to work during rush hour - Baltimore Business Journal [ http://ur1.ca/hc9cr ]		May 18 07:58
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/nickkarras/status/467999995900469248	May 18 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nickkarras: @20committee @schestowitz ahh joy		May 18 08:12
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/468000782160515072	May 18 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @20committee @wbgleason Yup/ Agatha Christie wouldn’t be surprised by this. She was v. wise & truly understood evil.		May 18 08:13
schestowitz_log_	Worry not, they're the Good Guys, so by definition they "meant well"	May 18 08:13
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/468002468270723072	May 18 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz wasn't it the CDU that shot down FOSS adoption on the German govt?		May 18 08:22
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schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/RightToBeForgot/status/468008824880648195	May 18 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RightToBeForgot: @schestowitz Corporations don't have data protection rights. Google is not free speech.		May 18 09:03
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468014899114016768	May 18 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @schestowitz John, you know these whiny manbabies secretly all want to be you.		May 18 09:09
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468016082826309632	May 18 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @dawnbazely @schestowitz Greenwald cultists are so clASSY aren't they?		May 18 09:14
schestowitz_log_	NSA critics are "cultists" now and also Greenwalf worshippers. NSA apologists live in a parallel universe.	May 18 09:15
schestowitz_log_	*wald	May 18 09:15
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/20committee/status/468016134210736128	May 18 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @ScottyBurberry @schestowitz #daretodream lol		May 18 09:15
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468017400483692544	May 18 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @20committee It's called life with solid neural pathways, free of haldol. You wouldn't understand.		May 18 09:17
schestowitz_log_	Right, because I'm too stupid and disqualified, just like all of Schindler's "opponents"	May 18 09:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@ubuntuaio	May 18 09:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu AIO DVD Has All Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Flavors on One Disk \| Tux Machines		May 18 09:18
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468017892915945472	May 18 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @20committee At least you recognize your shortcomings. Now, I don't tolerate whining and victim-playing in my TL so bye.		May 18 09:28
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468019233859710977	May 18 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @20committee @schestowitz I'm envious, John. You get more trolls than my Burberry leather jacket!		May 18 09:28
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/20committee/status/468019481185619968	May 18 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@20committee: @ScottyBurberry @schestowitz Which is a big achievement! :)		May 18 09:28
schestowitz_log_	All your critics are "trolls". Just like to the NSA, opponents are "terrorists". #nsa #johnschindler	May 18 09:30
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/QuadCityPat/status/468020669012123648	May 18 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@QuadCityPat: @20committee @ScottyBurberry LOL Nazi Security Agency? Real Schindler's list? @schestowitz's studying Holocaust in 8th grade Social Studies		May 18 09:30
schestowitz_log_	NSA does the oppose of Schindler. It marks people for assassination based on broad criteria ("metadata").	May 18 09:31
schestowitz_log_	Perhaps the later (John) Schindler should take a lesson from his doctrate degree and grasp bad policies	May 18 09:32
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468020820217192448 https://twitter.com/QuadCityPat/status/468021041785094145	May 18 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @QuadCityPat @20committee @schestowitz He's all up in his feels this morning. I sense he didn't get laid last night.		May 18 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@QuadCityPat: @ScottyBurberry @20committee @schestowitz Indeed.		May 18 09:33
schestowitz_log_	your use of the language of schoolyard only diminishes your view	May 18 09:33
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/468021222232846337	May 18 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz Either forgotten or reduce ubiquitous state and corporate surveillance, there must be balance. How is surveillance redressed?		May 18 09:34
schestowitz_log_	Surveillance is above the law, uses secret courts that public would not tolerate if aware	May 18 09:34
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468022200302596096	May 18 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @schestowitz @QuadCityPat @20committee You can do better than this tepid hissyfit.		May 18 09:37
schestowitz_log_	plonked	May 18 09:37
schestowitz_log_	http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/17101895-libyan-general-linked-to-cia-launches-attacks-in-benghazi	May 18 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.allvoices.com \| Libyan general linked to CIA launches attacks in Benghazi [ http://ur1.ca/hcacw ]		May 18 09:37
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/468022453282045952	May 18 09:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScottyBurberry: @QuadCityPat @20committee @schestowitz All this whining and they freely give very personal info to private corps		May 18 09:40
schestowitz_log_	Taking (passively, by another party) is not the same as one's giving. Very different.	May 18 09:41
schestowitz_log_	Or maybe you refer collectively to a lot of people who do give their data, based on misconceptions\	May 18 09:41
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/468026098958467072	May 18 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz For state yes, but "forgotten" also includes corporate surveillance/site scraping/replay attack/MITM issues for people.		May 18 09:52
msb_	"<schestowitz_log_> I'd say it's more ethical to download a copy than to buy from Amazon" One could download a copy and then send money to the author.	May 18 09:59
msb_	http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_15/GMO-related-activities-to-be-considered-as-terrorist-acts-in-Russia-9062/	May 18 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com \| GMO-related activities to be considered as terrorist acts in Russia - News - Russia - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/hcau4 ]		May 18 10:07
schestowitz	msb_: or donate to a snowden protection fund	May 18 10:46
schestowitz	or to the EFF which he supports	May 18 10:46
schestowitz	msb_: cheers https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4109833	May 18 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gmo #agentorange & #monopoly abuse has gotten #monsanto characterised as "terrorist" (defacement) in Wikipedia. Now http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_15/GMO-related-activities-to-be-considered-as-terrorist-acts-in-Russia-9062/		May 18 10:48
schestowitz	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8nd3BkEN6l8/U1z8D-jYfQI/AAAAAAAB53c/Lxu450h4K7E/s1600/gXrSZx3.gif	May 18 10:55
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/468043385392361472	May 18 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Tnx for educational fun! Hope you got your baiting in for day, @wbgleason :) Now I gotta finish my conference emails		May 18 11:01
schestowitz	they debate like a pack of hyenas	May 18 11:01
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schestowitz	see @5150committee because it says a lot really	May 18 11:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/5150committee	May 18 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com \| Fake John Schindler (5150committee) on Twitter		May 18 11:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/466527789370593280	May 18 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@csoghoian: This is what a cyber warrior apparently looks like (via @semibogan) http://t.co/1oL939F9qZ		May 18 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@semibogan: Oh right. Apparently this is. http://t.co/gNKPIWSODO		May 18 11:43
schestowitz	L:OL https://twitter.com/5150committee/status/466408382317199363	May 18 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@FrancisJeffrey7 Nice try, but I sanitize my inputs;DROP TABLE FSBplots;		May 18 11:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/5150committee/status/466051288632152064	May 18 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@StephenAtHome @GGreenwald Question for my former colleagues at NSA: is it possible to use QUANTUM to get #CancelColbert trending again?		May 18 11:43
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/5150committee/status/464840161403342848	May 18 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@5150committee: .@20committee On the one hand, this new policy is fascist and irrational. On the other hand, it might get Schindler to STFU. #moralDilemma		May 18 11:45
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4109809	May 18 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ramil_rodaje@diasp.org: “Love is wise; hatred is foolish. In this world, which is getting more and more closely interconnected, we have to learn to tolerate each other, we have to learn to put up with the fact that some people say things that we don't like. We can only live together in that way. But if we are to live together, and not die together, we must learn a kind of charity and a kind of tolerance, which is absolutely vital to the		May 18 12:08
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MinceR	:>	May 18 12:12
cubezzz	good point from ramil	May 18 13:21
schestowitz__	it's a British philosopher he's quoting	May 18 13:36
cubezzz	ah	May 18 13:37
cubezzz	bertrand russell	May 18 13:37
schestowitz__	yep	May 18 13:39
schestowitz__	good one	May 18 13:39
schestowitz__	ahead of his time	May 18 13:39
schestowitz__	esp. when disregard for religions	May 18 13:39
schestowitz__	back when it was ok to use "I'm offended" to censor the speaker, like today's Islam	May 18 13:40
msb_	But that kind of tolerance, while it would work in a small town where people know and understand one another, is not sufficient for larger systems like nations and the world.	May 18 13:47
msb_	The problem is psychopaths.	May 18 13:47
msb_	Psychopaths have no empathy nor conscience, and many of them enjoy harming others and making them suffer.	May 18 13:48
msb_	They are also control freaks. They often seek positions of power, and lie, cheat, steal, and kill to get as high in the structure as they can.	May 18 13:49
cubezzz	psychopath is a bit strong	May 18 13:50
cubezzz	sociopath is more likely	May 18 13:50
cubezzz	a full blown psycho wouldn't be able to function too well in society	May 18 13:50
msb_	The psychopaths in charge of the US government have murdered at least 2,000,000 people in this century alone.	May 18 13:51
msb_	That's very strong.	May 18 13:51
msb_	The word "psycho" confuses "psychopath" with "psychotic". It should not be used. Psychotics are delusional and can be easily recognized.	May 18 13:52
msb_	Many psychopaths are very good at hiding their true nature and goals, and passing as human. But they aren't actually human.	May 18 13:53
cubezzz	you're right, that's a good point	May 18 13:53
msb_	They aren't humane. They don't have humanity. They don't empathize with the human race.	May 18 13:54
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msb_	This is a very good video about how they have come to control and shape our society and culture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdY	May 18 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g85hq ]		May 18 13:56
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DaemonFC	I was discussing DRM on #ubuntu-offtopic.	May 18 19:31
DaemonFC	Me: dwatkins, If nothing else, you can take your webcam/cell phone/camcorder/etc and point it at the screen.	May 18 19:31
DaemonFC	So, to even pretend that this crap works is just totally stupid, but that's how companies think.	May 18 19:31
DaemonFC	Well, Apple took out a patent on recognizing copyrighted material and disabling your iPhone camera a while back.	May 18 19:31
DaemonFC	I don't know if the iPhone currently does that, but since there's software updates, any malicious thing it's not doing now could be added later.	May 18 19:31
DaemonFC	Like iBeacon was. The hardware was there in iPhone 4, just dormant.	May 18 19:31
DaemonFC	It's not too hard to imagine the police sending a signal to shut off your iPhone camera while they're beating you up. It saves them from having to delete the video later, and possibly have the user recover it from the file system.	May 18 19:31
DaemonFC	Well, and people being how they are, which is utterly depressing, will accept that abuse the day it arrives.	May 18 19:33
DaemonFC	And some will even try to make excuses for a device that is disobeying the owner in even more horrible ways.	May 18 19:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SlateKit Base OS Released For The Nexus 7	May 18 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	Tablet http://t.co/dzFGdKQpSS	May 18 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcdxv	May 18 20:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/cQs7JU7t5N	May 18 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcdxw	May 18 20:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Is Now Running on World's Fastest	May 18 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	Supercomputer http://t.co/9SaORJnCz6	May 18 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcdxx	May 18 20:40
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DaemonFC	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chilean-activist-destroys-student-debt-papers-worth-500m-9391907.html	May 18 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk \| Chilean activist destroys student debt papers worth $500m - Americas - World - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/hcdzv ]		May 18 20:52
DaemonFC	Beautiful!	May 18 20:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon and MATE screenshot	May 19 00:54
TweetTuxMachines	preview http://t.co/XZyhqXgXKI	May 19 00:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hceug	May 19 00:54
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MinceR	geekings	May 19 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AST DRM Display Driver Updated For Linux 3.16	May 19 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PKRsNlgwti	May 19 05:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@go2n The KDE Daily News is out!	May 19 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FKH5s4xkDq Stories via	May 19 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	@yethikephyo007 @tuxmachines @celestelynpaul	May 19 05:58
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcg6w	May 19 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Another date for your diary is the Open World	May 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	Forum in October- http://t.co/5SamtXDes6.	May 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@Mark_Antony will be there again this year.	May 19 06:18
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcga7	May 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Very pleased to add Europol to our support	May 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	customers after a successful onsite deployment	May 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	project.	May 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcga8	May 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp If you have any support needs then do get in	May 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	touch. We provide 24/support for some great	May 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	organisations- http://t.co/DsKAeavNDK	May 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcga9	May 19 06:18
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Sosumi	joke of the day	May 19 06:23
Sosumi	Garry's Mod and Rust creator touts the trashcan pro as the way to go	May 19 06:25
Sosumi	meanwhile the mac the mac version of those games performed like a crap	May 19 06:26
Sosumi	compared to the windows version	May 19 06:26
Sosumi	to the point they needed to hire an external team to do the porting	May 19 06:26
MinceR	lol	May 19 06:38
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msb_	Where's that picture (or was it a video) of the naked guy caressing the Mac Pro in bed? I can't find it.	May 19 07:06
Sosumi	that was disgusting	May 19 07:43
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msb_	The computer was less than a year old, so it was pedophilia.	May 19 08:04
Sosumi	well at least he didn't stuff his arss with it	May 19 08:29
Sosumi	or just didn't put pictures of himself doing that	May 19 08:31
Sosumi	but there is simply no reason to buy a macpro now	May 19 08:34
Sosumi	for example	May 19 08:34
Sosumi	the D700 firepros on the trashcan (rebranded underclocked 7970) score 3781 on luxmark	May 19 08:35
Sosumi	while two 290x score 5058	May 19 08:36
Sosumi	so, whoever goes with the apple option	May 19 08:37
Sosumi	you're just overpaying for underclocked hardware	May 19 08:38
Sosumi	and now	May 19 08:38
Sosumi	outdated gpus	May 19 08:38
Sosumi	and that is why the last mac pro tower	May 19 08:39
Sosumi	can beat the trashcan	May 19 08:40
Sosumi	because it has pci-express slots	May 19 08:40
Sosumi	and isn't thermically crippled	May 19 08:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp We are recruiting for full time Linux	May 19 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	Engineers, if you are interested then please e	May 19 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	mail us at jobs@siriusit.co.uk	May 19 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hch9r	May 19 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 16 - The most complete and easy to	May 19 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	use operating system http://t.co/WymAOVAKeI	May 19 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hch9s	May 19 09:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Preview of GhostBSD 4.0 http://t.co/ukNiTQcVJH	May 19 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hch9t	May 19 09:36
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4113284	May 19 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tiny predators http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1400470038642049_tall.jpg		May 19 13:11
schestowitz__	" http://www.ufunk.net/artistes/glass-microbiology-luke-jerram/ "	May 19 13:11
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4111617	May 19 13:11
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schestowitz__	"So easy to operate and repair that it makes gnu/linux look hard? Ha!"	May 19 13:11
schestowitz__	https://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/george-walkden/case-open-access	May 19 13:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Slowmo Linux Desktop http://t.co/KoYgVwpRjB	May 19 14:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hciym	May 19 14:18
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cubezzz	since it's the 40th anniversary of the cube I'll share my gallery of various cube programs:	May 19 14:27
cubezzz	http://maxhost.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=15	May 19 14:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Survey Finds, Again, that Ubuntu Is the Most	May 19 14:58
TweetTuxMachines	Common OpenStack Platform	May 19 14:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oJuFHhXqiJ	May 19 14:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjar	May 19 14:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source code helps governments share	May 19 14:58
TweetTuxMachines	information with citizens	May 19 14:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DKLYvF0q7K	May 19 14:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjas	May 19 14:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Free Linux training http://t.co/vMi0BYjr7t	May 19 14:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjat	May 19 14:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This Album Is So Exclusive That Listeners	May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	Must Hack Linux To Hear It	May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IyFIyaSwhW	May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjfj	May 19 15:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 50 ways that MIT has transformed computer	May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	science http://t.co/osD7NMhJAv	May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjfk	May 19 15:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Terry Hancock on Free Software and Free Culture	May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	[Interview] http://t.co/LAUaesCA7x	May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjfm	May 19 15:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung ships more than half a million Galaxy	May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	Gear smartwatches in Q1 2014	May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/j8K4FWQZVp	May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjfn	May 19 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung ships more than half a million Galaxy Gear smartwatches in Q1 2014 \| Tux Machines		May 19 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Archos offers up 10.1-inch ArcBook Android	May 19 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	laptop for $169.99 http://t.co/zgyklu03mB	May 19 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjix	May 19 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Knox tapped by UK gov for public sector	May 19 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ilOAlULDAY	May 19 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjiy	May 19 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Takes to the Skies in Drones	May 19 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/L86pelD8JF	May 19 15:38
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abeNd-org	so did you guys cover the "reimage all the things" at emory this past week?	May 19 15:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tux3 Gets Harshly Criticized Over Code Quality	May 19 16:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GC7phJtNiy	May 19 16:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjrp	May 19 16:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The desktop and the developer	May 19 16:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OWM1iJyYcJ	May 19 16:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjrq	May 19 16:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 6-Way Desktop Comparison On Linux Mint 17	May 19 16:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fR87hImwZs	May 19 16:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/LaJe9r1TzF	May 19 16:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/ploGekmF6I	May 19 16:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines locale changes in plasma next	May 19 16:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AETtdMsA7z	May 19 16:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjsz	May 19 16:28
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MinceR	gn	May 19 17:11
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abeNd-org	http://www.neowin.net/news/whoops-emory-university-server-sent-reformat-request-to-all-of-its-windows-7-pcs	May 19 18:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@Symbo1ics >@tuxmachines #Tux3 Gets Harshly Criticized	May 19 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	Over Code Quality http://t.co/kFqOZvwfPv //	May 19 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	That sound you hear is #reiserfs devs laughing	May 19 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcjt6	May 19 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.2.2 Beta Is a Linux Distro with a Fresh	May 19 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	E17 Desktop http://t.co/PHa6W9vrVd	May 19 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcl9q	May 19 21:27
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msb_	Amazing! The "free market" doesn't work! http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/where-worlds-unsold-cars-go-die	May 19 21:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Systemd Saga, Into the Vortex, and a Minty	May 20 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	RC http://t.co/FvSdrXsBcB	May 20 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcmzg	May 20 03:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qt 5.3 Released http://t.co/mX61CAqzXW	May 20 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcmzh	May 20 03:57
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msb_	Wow! Systemd -- controls the entire Linux system, takes over the functions of a dozen or more previous separate programs, keeps its log in binary... What could possibly go wrong?	May 20 04:20
msb_	http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-Neverending-Systemd-Saga-80472.html	May 20 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| The Neverending Systemd Saga \| Community \| LinuxInsider [ http://ur1.ca/hcn2o ]		May 20 04:23
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd	May 20 04:23
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MinceR	it could be adopted by distros :>	May 20 04:23
MinceR	geekings	May 20 04:24
msb_	Apparently it has been: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption	May 20 04:25
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MinceR	yeah, unfortunately	May 20 04:26
Snowleaksange	tell those kids to stay off my init.d lawn :)	May 20 04:28
msb_	The cgroups system, which systemd uses, creates groups of processes, each subject to resource limitations and (if desired) collection of information for billing purposes. Apparently the previous system of each process having a unique ID (PID) is abandoned.	May 20 04:43
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cgroups	May 20 04:44
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MinceR	afaik PIDs are still there	May 20 04:46
MinceR	but some new controls are based on cgroups	May 20 04:46
msb_	Then there's KDE4, far more complex than KDE3, but it doesn't give you 20 virtual desktops whose names you can see in the switcher applet so you could switch between desktops rapidly. Multiple desktops to give you separate uncluttered workspaces for your various different activities was one of the great advantages of Linux. Still is, if you use KDE3 or Trinity.	May 20 04:48
msb_	systemd, cgroups, and KDE4 all seem to be governed by the principle that software must continually be "improved", even if that means increase in complexity, and decrease in ease of use. And decrease in people's ability to understand it and fix problems.	May 20 04:56
MinceR	also, increasing monolithicity	May 20 04:57
msb_	Yes!	May 20 04:57
msb_	These particular "improvements" -- which show no signs of ever ending -- are like uncontrollable cancers growing on what used to be a simple healthy organism.	May 20 04:59
msb_	cubezzz: Are you there? This is right up your alley!	May 20 05:00
msb_	What happened to the principles of "Keep it simple, stupid" and "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" ?	May 20 05:01
Snowleaksange	i just wrote a terminal. now working browser. maybe someday xwm or whole os	May 20 05:03
MinceR	:)	May 20 05:03
msb_	Snowleaksange: Good for you! Do these have better security or something?	May 20 05:04
Snowleaksange	in some interpretations	May 20 05:04
Snowleaksange	its way less lines of source code than alternatives	May 20 05:04
msb_	Nice.	May 20 05:04
msb_	It's fun to write software. But it's not nice to jam it into GNU/Linux if it's not necessary.	May 20 05:07
Snowleaksange	it also fetches image links for mouse over image rendering (faster than clicking on clickable url)	May 20 05:07
Snowleaksange	probably saves... minutes a day if you visit a lot of image links, which someties i do on chat rooms	May 20 05:08
msb_	On the other hand, some web pages are getting very annoying by doing pop-ups just from moving the cursor over something, without pressing any buttons. Often hides the link you were trying to click on.	May 20 05:10
msb_	IMDB is now doing this.	May 20 05:10
msb_	And I have popup windows blocked in firefox preferences.	May 20 05:12
msb_	I think amazon does it too.	May 20 05:12
msb_	Snowleaksange: Not to detract from your work. I'd just want it switchable.	May 20 05:15
msb_	There are a lot of pages now with popups telling you to inform facebook, tweeter (?), and other social sites about their content. Some of these hide the content until you click on an "x" in the corner.	May 20 05:17
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cubezzz	msb_, what's that?	May 20 12:55
cubezzz	well I talked about Unix philosophy	May 20 12:56
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-philosophy.txt	May 20 12:56
cubezzz	most distros have diverged from that a fair amount	May 20 12:57
cubezzz	"Avoid captive user interfaces"	May 20 12:58
cubezzz	you've got a generation of *nix folks that don't understand the actual underpinnings of the os	May 20 13:02
cubezzz	the KDE4 stuff is just poor, I'm not even going to talk about that	May 20 13:04
cubezzz	the first diversion was System V versus BSD	May 20 13:07
cubezzz	sockets vs streams, tty vs termio	May 20 13:07
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cubezzz	in 1998 there was a confidential memo from Microsoft which stated "Linux is on track to eventually own the x86 Unix market"	May 20 13:11
cubezzz	so the SVR4 versions of Unix become far less important	May 20 13:12
cubezzz	if you want solaris style then there's opensxce	May 20 13:13
cubezzz	ok, so to summarize, these are the operating systems that currently have available source code:	May 20 13:16
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/os-with-source-code.txt	May 20 13:17
msb_	cubezzz: I was specifically talking about systemd, cgroups, and KDE4. With systemd controlling the entire Linux system, taking over the functions of a dozen or more previous separate programs, and keeping its log in binary.	May 20 13:17
msb_	Rather than go back to a much different system like Solaris, it seems to me that just eliminating systemd and KDE4 (or making them optional) would be a good way for a distro to go.	May 20 13:20
cubezzz	right, but my point was that these sorts of diversions have occurred before	May 20 13:21
cubezzz	I think in Linux you'll always have choices	May 20 13:21
msb_	Yes, but those were years ago and we've gotten used to the additional complications.	May 20 13:21
msb_	Even udev, which does allow you to move disks between ports, or make them plug-in, and keep their same mountpoints in the file system, if I understand correctly.	May 20 13:23
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msb_	So far, OpenSuse is still making KDE3 available, and if it doesn't, Trinity seems to be working well for various distros.	May 20 13:24
msb_	I don't know if the KDE4 devs will perversely make their apps stop working with KDE3.	May 20 13:25
msb_	I don't know how much hell cgroups causes, or if it can be dialled down to the standard 32K array of PIDs.	May 20 13:26
msb_	If it can, then the remaining problem is systemd, which a lot of people are objecting to, and which severely violates numerous principles of Unix Philosophy.	May 20 13:27
cubezzz	exactly so	May 20 13:27
cubezzz	there's CentOS 6, that's got a trinity version	May 20 13:29
cubezzz	this is the reason I run old software in tandem with newer distros	May 20 13:29
cubezzz	gives one a different perspective	May 20 13:29
msb_	Trinity is available for lots of popular distros: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/	May 20 13:31
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cubezzz	hardly anyone runs the Thompson shell but the neat thing is you still can :)	May 20 13:32
msb_	For firing commands rapidly?	May 20 13:33
cubezzz	it had one big advantage	May 20 13:34
cubezzz	it used less memory than all the other shells	May 20 13:34
msb_	Yes, with source code, and the ability to compile it, and bring in particular libraries -- even old versions of them -- Unix/Linux has a lot of flexibility.	May 20 13:35
cubezzz	there used to be a 2^18 addressing limit	May 20 13:35
msb_	Was that from PDP-6 and -10 ?	May 20 13:36
cubezzz	PDP-11/40, not sure about PDP-10 off the top of my head	May 20 13:37
cubezzz	PDP-7 was the original Unix box	May 20 13:37
msb_	IIRC it had 36-bit words.	May 20 13:37
msb_	Now with single-board-computers able to run Linux for less than $50, small memory size for various softwares could be very useful.	May 20 13:39
cubezzz	there's ELKS if you want really really small linux	May 20 13:40
cubezzz	just discovered it yesterday :)	May 20 13:40
cubezzz	you _had_ to be efficient on the PDP-7	May 20 13:41
cubezzz	my understanding is about Unix is it went like this:	May 20 13:42
cubezzz	PDP-7, PDP-11/20, PDP-11/40, PDP-11/45, PDP-11/70	May 20 13:43
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embeddable_Linux_Kernel_Subset	May 20 13:43
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cubezzz	then v7 was ported to Vax	May 20 13:43
msb_	It looks like ELKS can even run without a memory manager.	May 20 13:44
cubezzz	yes, it can run on plain ol' 8086	May 20 13:44
msb_	The IBM-PC shall rise again!	May 20 13:44
cubezzz	PDP-11/45 introduced the MMU I think	May 20 13:46
cubezzz	but the PDP-11/40 had a simpler MMU, so I guess that could be the first	May 20 13:46
msb_	Well, that gives hope that even after the Apocalypse, when all semiconductors have been fried, we can still run Linux on 12AX7s.	May 20 13:47
cubezzz	PDP-11/10 was interesting: no BIOS or boot rom :)	May 20 13:47
msb_	And, of course, CRTs.	May 20 13:47
msb_	How'd it get started?	May 20 13:48
cubezzz	toggle in the bootstrap loader from the front panel	May 20 13:48
msb_	Console switches and paper tape?	May 20 13:48
msb_	Ah, those were the good old days!	May 20 13:49
cubezzz	you probably had to toggle stuff in before you could use paper tape	May 20 13:49
msb_	When it was important that console switches had smooth edges to avoid finger abrasion.	May 20 13:49
cubezzz	so with the 2^18 limit you had 256K of memory	May 20 13:49
msb_	That should be plenty for anybody.	May 20 13:50
cubezzz	well, no giant memory hole for the display :)	May 20 13:51
msb_	Hopefully it had its own address space.	May 20 13:51
cubezzz	well they used the DZ11 asynchronous multiplexer with RS232 terminals	May 20 13:53
cubezzz	no frame buffer as such	May 20 13:53
cubezzz	this is PDP-11/45 Unibus, the original Unix v7 machine	May 20 13:54
msb_	But with a frame buffer you could have 512x256x16bit video, pretty much NTSC quality (if i'm figuring correctly). That	May 20 13:55
msb_	's adequate for movies.	May 20 13:55
msb_	Although not ideal.	May 20 13:55
cubezzz	sure, fine for 4:3 movies :)	May 20 13:55
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cubezzz	actually on Q22-bus you could have 1024x864	May 20 13:57
msb_	When we tell our grandchildren around the campfire about 1920x1080 x264s, they'll just think we're making it up.	May 20 13:57
cubezzz	you could run that on PDP 11/83	May 20 13:59
cubezzz	older stuff like PDP-11/45 I don't think there was any way to even have a frame buffer	May 20 13:59
cubezzz	there were "intelligent terminals"	May 20 14:02
cubezzz	give it another 20 years and kids won't know what a CRT was :)	May 20 14:05
msb_	Have you seen the wonderful "Quarantine" episode of 1985 Twilight zone? All about alternate technologies. It's in 3 parts on youtube, starting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQTicO-alU	May 20 14:05
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cubezzz	msb_, did you know that CP/M completely disappeared in 1987?	May 20 14:06
cubezzz	in 1986 there was still a few ads	May 20 14:06
msb_	Replaced by PC-DOS.	May 20 14:07
msb_	"Quarantine" is amazingly political, too.	May 20 14:08
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msb_	Please watch it everyone. It's one of the best TV programs ever made.	May 20 14:09
abeNd-org	which one?	May 20 14:11
cubezzz	msb_, yes I'm studying the late 80s era, it's interesting	May 20 14:11
msb_	CRTs were displays you could fix, if you had a schematic and and oscilloscope. Instead of just throwing them away and buying another.	May 20 14:11
msb_	Of course they could also give you a hernia.	May 20 14:11
cubezzz	you still have some CRTs I presume?	May 20 14:11
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abeNd-org	im just glad CRT popularity ended at 17", those werent too bad to haul around	May 20 14:12
abeNd-org	it was rare people wanted a 19" or larger	May 20 14:12
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cubezzz	ha, Amiga 1080 is actually pretty light :)	May 20 14:12
msb_	abeNd-org: The "Quarantine" episode of 1985 Twilight zone. All about alternate technologies. It's in 3 parts on youtube, starting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQTicO-alU	May 20 14:12
cubezzz	only 14" though	May 20 14:12
cubezzz	we had alternative tech, it's not twilight zone stuff :)	May 20 14:13
abeNd-org	we had some people at the bank that wanted 21", told them they could come down to the dock, pick it up, & set it up themselves	May 20 14:13
msb_	I forget whether I still have an old CRT. Flat-screens of the same size got so cheap...	May 20 14:14
MinceR	i have a crt on my desk but i haven't turned it on for years	May 20 14:15
cubezzz	it will be interesting to see if LCD's can last as long as a CRT	May 20 14:16
msb_	I even gave away my first flat-screen, a Sony which I'd gotten cheap because the owners had hooked up the cables wrong and the colors were messed up. But it was very heavy.	May 20 14:16
MinceR	how long did crts last?	May 20 14:16
cubezzz	MinceR, my 14" one for amiga is still working	May 20 14:16
cubezzz	made on Nov 1985	May 20 14:16
MinceR	the best crt i had broke long ago	May 20 14:17
MinceR	that's when i bought my first lcd monitor	May 20 14:17
msb_	Maybe 5 years of continuous operation, until they got too dim. Unless something else went wrong with them.	May 20 14:17
MinceR	cubezzz: how often do you use it?	May 20 14:17
abeNd-org	i still have a pair of 20" dell, the first ones they came out with, still going strong	May 20 14:17
cubezzz	MinceR, uh, pretty often up until around 1992 :)	May 20 14:18
cubezzz	nowadays it's maybe a couple of hours per month	May 20 14:18
cubezzz	when EGA came out I used the amiga less	May 20 14:19
cubezzz	yeah a quality CRT should last a while	May 20 14:25
msb_	I wonder if ceramic vacuum-tube triode wafers could be made with photolithography. Layers for cathodes, grids, and anodes, and a couple for interconnects. If they would work with cold cathodes, they wouldn't have to be heated. But I guess that requires high voltage.	May 20 14:25
msb_	Are there semiconductor cathodes that emit electrons into a vacuum?	May 20 14:27
msb_	You could get hundreds of tiny triodes onto a 4" wafer stack. Equal to several MSI chips. We could build a PDP-11!	May 20 14:31
msb_	Immune to EMPs!	May 20 14:32
cubezzz	what about the core memory?	May 20 14:33
cubezzz	wouldn't the EMP mess it up?	May 20 14:33
msb_	Only temporarily.	May 20 14:33
msb_	Just have to reset it all.	May 20 14:33
msb_	I meant that an EMP wouldn't destroy it, not that it could keep running through one.	May 20 14:34
msb_	I don't know if those teensy triodes could carry enough current to switch cores, though.	May 20 14:35
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DaemonFC	" I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois." -Peter Griffin, Family Guy	May 20 14:36
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/468811197190766592	May 20 14:36
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MinceR	the teensi conductors would melt	May 20 14:36
MinceR	s/nsi/nsy/	May 20 14:36
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/468811433363648512 https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/468811540255494144	May 20 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz " With Windows Server accounting for 45.8% of overall server market share today, Microsoft could similarly leverage that..."		May 20 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz "to unfairly gain dominance. Precisely because of this potential, Microsoft was forced to launch an SVVP program..."		May 20 14:37
DaemonFC	14 minutes ago	May 20 14:37
DaemonFC	I told Sprint that their service in Fort Wayne sucks. They got back to me blaming divine intervention and feral dogs running the streets, apparently. Lol	May 20 14:37
DaemonFC	It's not Detroit, Sprint...	May 20 14:37
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schestowitz__	LOL an understatement. Look what Microsoft bribery to Novell did for Hyper-V and virt in general.	May 20 14:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TibsterAU: @craigless2 @schestowitz Money money money..but it aint funny. Environmental vandalism legitamised very irregularly. Water is precious.		May 20 14:39
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msb_	MinceR: I think the teensy cathodes couldn't emit enough current to switch cores.	May 20 14:39
MinceR	well, i don't know :)	May 20 14:40
cubezzz	they're still improving LCD tech so...	May 20 14:40
msb_	You'd at least need bigger ones on the periphery of the chip.	May 20 14:40
cubezzz	quantum dots seems to be the current buzz-word	May 20 14:40
msb_	And this is all assuming that there's some kind of cathode that will emit a decent amount of electrons without heat or high voltage.	May 20 14:41
cubezzz	msb_, basically what I what to see is more reliable, more repairable tech	May 20 14:41
DaemonFC	shared a link via Think Progress.	May 20 14:42
DaemonFC	6 seconds ago	May 20 14:42
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DaemonFC	And another one gone, and another one gone	May 20 14:42
DaemonFC	Another one bites the dust	May 20 14:42
DaemonFC	Hey, I'm gonna get you too	May 20 14:42
DaemonFC	Another one bites the dust	May 20 14:42
DaemonFC	19 down (plus DC), 31 to go.	May 20 14:42
DaemonFC	WOOT! WOOT!	May 20 14:42
DaemonFC	Bonus: The judge was appointed by Adolf Hitler Lite, err, George W. Bush.	May 20 14:43
msb_	cubezzz: If all semiconductors get fried, then working up to current wafer-fab plants might take decades.	May 20 14:45
msb_	If the cathode problem and vacuum seal problem could be solved, then triode wafers might get us back to $50,000 minicomputers sooner than that.	May 20 14:48
cubezzz	msb_, for that matter a severe solar storm could take out the electrical grid	May 20 14:48
DaemonFC	2 secs ·	May 20 14:48
DaemonFC	I posted on Sprint's wall....	May 20 14:48
DaemonFC	"Acts of God"?......"I am God, coming down from on high to personally mess up your Sprint tower! I slay me! Hahahahaha!!!!" -God	May 20 14:48
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msb_	Right. But if it didn't fry all the electronics, just the big transformers, we could still have local electricity from solar and gasoline generators.	May 20 14:49
msb_	...and use our computers.	May 20 14:50
MinceR	unless they needed a controller to run :>	May 20 14:50
DaemonFC	"Take that, unbeliever! No 4G LTE for you! That will teach you to be impudent! Straight Talk customers who pay $45 a month will run rings around your $100 a month Sprint. HAHAHA! You will be doomed to buffer Youtube videos for eternity!" -God	May 20 14:50
DaemonFC	"Acts of God"?......"I am God, coming down from on high to personally mess up your Sprint tower! I slay me! Hahahahaha!!!!" -God	May 20 14:51
msb_	cubezzz was talking about a solar storm, which would knock out the big transformers of the power grid.	May 20 14:51
msb_	But I don't think it would destroy small electronic boxes like computers or gas-generator controllers.	May 20 14:52
MinceR	ic	May 20 14:52
msb_	A solar flare would induce a big DC surge that would melt the long-lines transformers.	May 20 14:52
cubezzz	I don't think there's been any big nuclear bomb tests lately?	May 20 14:53
MinceR	it won't be a test :>	May 20 14:53
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event	May 20 14:53
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cubezzz	with shortwave we should always be able to communicate with someone	May 20 14:54
DaemonFC	yeah, ghosts	May 20 14:54
DaemonFC	I saw that in a Mel Gibson movie once!	May 20 14:54
cubezzz	we survived the 80s :)	May 20 14:54
MinceR	:>	May 20 14:55
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DaemonFC	If you don't count the continuation of Reaganism into the 90s and 2000s, then sure.	May 20 14:55
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msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_storms#Electric_grid	May 20 14:56
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DaemonFC	a few seconds ago	May 20 14:58
DaemonFC	Apparently, Huntington has a boil advisory on the water, because human and animal feces has contaminated the source.	May 20 14:58
DaemonFC	The utility worker said that it had been going on for 12 days and nobody had gotten around to telling us out here until now.	May 20 14:58
DaemonFC	I said, "It probably took them 12 days to notice because Huntington water tastes like shit, year round.".	May 20 14:58
DaemonFC	So, that might be why I was sick last week.	May 20 14:58
msb_	DaemonFC: What was the Mel Gibson movie with ghosts?	May 20 14:58
DaemonFC	It might have been called Radio or something, I don't know. It was a long time ago.	May 20 14:58
DaemonFC	Late 90s maybe? I only saw the trailer.	May 20 14:58
DaemonFC	Mel Gibson is a fucking fuck and he's totally full of shit.	May 20 14:58
msb_	Not one of the "Pulse" movies?	May 20 14:59
_Goblin	DaemonFC: Signs?	May 20 15:01
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121641	May 20 15:01
schestowitz__	"so there´s hope..."	May 20 15:01
DaemonFC	White Noise	May 20 15:01
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_Goblin	oh...	May 20 15:01
DaemonFC	I just used the google on my computermachine.	May 20 15:01
DaemonFC	B-)	May 20 15:01
_Goblin	yeah, I think my wife watched that once...	May 20 15:02
_Goblin	(the film, not you on Google)	May 20 15:02
_Goblin	If you want a recommendation of what not to watch.....	May 20 15:03
msb_	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375210/combined	May 20 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| White Noise (2005) [ http://ur1.ca/hcq2j ]		May 20 15:03
_Goblin	Gravity....	May 20 15:03
_Goblin	a complete stinker....	May 20 15:04
_Goblin	the only good thing was, unlike a strong gravity well (or quantum singularity) you could actually escape its event horizon by walking out the cinema.	May 20 15:04
MinceR	:D	May 20 15:05
_Goblin	Sandra wasn't too hot either....her looks seemed to have succumbed to gravity too.	May 20 15:06
_Goblin	What is she now? 50?	May 20 15:06
msb_	Wait -- White Noise has Michael Keaton, not Mel Gibson.	May 20 15:06
_Goblin	Signs then...	May 20 15:06
_Goblin	Stupid aliens..	May 20 15:07
msb_	That was aliens, not ghosts.	May 20 15:07
MinceR	alien ghosts!	May 20 15:07
msb_	Good movie, though.	May 20 15:07
_Goblin	but wasn't it a dodgy transmission over the radio on the trailer	May 20 15:07
_Goblin	what signs?	May 20 15:07
MinceR	wait, lrh invented alien ghosts already.	May 20 15:07
DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	May 20 15:07
DaemonFC	The Teatards want to know where their "10-30 million patriots went".	May 20 15:07
DaemonFC	Obama could have disposed of them by invoking the PAT RIOT ACT (the worst thing to happen to Americans in 2001), but since only a few dozen of them actually showed up, it wasn't necessary.	May 20 15:07
_Goblin	well if ghost exist and aliens exist, then you must have ghost aliens.	May 20 15:08
_Goblin	or alien ghosts.	May 20 15:08
MinceR	:>	May 20 15:08
_Goblin	personally I don't believe in either....	May 20 15:08
msb_	No, in Signs it was material aliens who communicated by radio.	May 20 15:08
_Goblin	yeah but in the trailer did you see em? DaemonFC remembers something about radio...	May 20 15:08
msb_	DaemonFC: So what was the movie with Mel Gibson, ghosts, and radio?	May 20 15:08
DaemonFC	White Noise	May 20 15:09
DaemonFC	I was wrong at first.	May 20 15:09
_Goblin	I thought we established gibson wasn't in white noise	May 20 15:09
msb_	DaemonFC: White Noise has Michael Keaton, not Mel Gibson.	May 20 15:09
_Goblin	or maybe not	May 20 15:09
_Goblin	maybe mel is an alien shapeshifter	May 20 15:10
_Goblin	maybe he was just impersonating Michael	May 20 15:10
DaemonFC	His weakness is water.	May 20 15:10
msb_	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375210/combined	May 20 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| White Noise (2005) [ http://ur1.ca/hcq2j ]		May 20 15:10
_Goblin	Ive heard that Mel's is alcohol	May 20 15:10
_Goblin	maybe water as a mixer?	May 20 15:10
msb_	DaemonFC: Whose weakness?	May 20 15:11
DaemonFC	Signs: "We are aliens who die when exposed to water, so let us try to conquer a planets that's more than two thirds water, where it rains water, and has water vapor in the atmosphere, bwahahahaha!"	May 20 15:11
_Goblin	The wicked witch of the west had a weakness to water.......maybe related?	May 20 15:11
DaemonFC	That movie sucked. And they managed to inject Gaaaaawd into that as well.	May 20 15:11
_Goblin	it wasn't about aliens that movie.	May 20 15:12
_Goblin	most people who have an IQ less than 10 saw it as being about aliens...it wasn't.	May 20 15:12
DaemonFC	I've heard some people suggest that they were demons.	May 20 15:12
msb_	DaemonFC: I liked Signs, even though it was goofy in some ways.	May 20 15:12
_Goblin	Signs was about religion.	May 20 15:12
_Goblin	Priest loses faith	May 20 15:12
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121641	May 20 15:12
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schestowitz__	"Might I say - it's still a party. What did the parties gave us? usually every party starts as a good, small party, but then it becomes a monster as it grows. I don't know - a hope? I believe in what I DO, not in what other people do ... unless it's voluntary and without money as a gratification."	May 20 15:12
_Goblin	wife dies telling to swing bat....	May 20 15:12
_Goblin	boy kills alien with bat	May 20 15:12
DaemonFC	right	May 20 15:13
_Goblin	the sign was a message from god to the vicar	May 20 15:13
DaemonFC	kill that damned alien with the fuckin' bat	May 20 15:13
DaemonFC	we don't want your kind here!	May 20 15:13
DaemonFC	back the way you came, alien!	May 20 15:13
_Goblin	and for him to get his faith back	May 20 15:13
DaemonFC	bat bat bat	May 20 15:13
_Goblin	aliens were added for the -10 IQ posse	May 20 15:13
_Goblin	It had much resembalance to the crusades also...metaphorically	May 20 15:13
msb_	To me the aliens were the main spooky thing and Gibson's faith was just an extra filler item.	May 20 15:14
_Goblin	No...it was the basis of the film	May 20 15:14
_Goblin	its starts with a message and death	May 20 15:14
_Goblin	priest has lost faith	May 20 15:14
_Goblin	message followed and alien killed	May 20 15:15
_Goblin	priest gains back faith	May 20 15:15
msb_	The "swing away" message was psychic, not divine.	May 20 15:15
_Goblin	even the film title gives it away "Signs"	May 20 15:15
msb_	Crop circles.	May 20 15:15
_Goblin	msb_: the inference was religious interpretation...	May 20 15:15
_Goblin	And the crop circle was effectively the 666 the number of the beast and all that.	May 20 15:16
_Goblin	I'm surprised how many people merely thought this was just a crap alien movie.	May 20 15:16
_Goblin	thats why the aliens conquering water planet was so odd.	May 20 15:16
Snowleaksange	there's no objective interpretation	May 20 15:16
_Goblin	it wasn't the integral part of the story.	May 20 15:16
_Goblin	anyway....one thing I think we can all agree on...it was crap	May 20 15:17
Snowleaksange	you may think your perspective is privileged but i can assure you it is not	May 20 15:17
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/468832192895135744	May 20 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz We do not learn enough from past adventures. We should control those ministers in the EU Council with National Parliaments.		May 20 15:18
_Goblin	And the aliens didn't even have cool looking spaceships	May 20 15:18
schestowitz__	maybe use water cannon to keep in check politicians who advocate their use :-p	May 20 15:18
schestowitz__	*cannons	May 20 15:19
msb_	It was a good movie about an alien invasion, with crop circles and radio transmissions.	May 20 15:19
_Goblin	Ok...I think we'll agree to differ on that...	May 20 15:19
_Goblin	I don't buy into movies and I'm not the movie buff..... That signs was an obvious piece of religious suck-up was blatant to me....if you saw it as Aliens then fine.	May 20 15:20
msb_	Gibson's faith in life was restored by making a strong effort that defeated the aliens.	May 20 15:20
msb_	Everyone in the movie said it was aliens.	May 20 15:20
_Goblin	since when has a Hollywood actor been any sort of authority on anything other than gross excess?	May 20 15:21
msb_	Demons would have come in a variety of shapes and sizes, and probably would have had glowing red eyes.	May 20 15:21
_Goblin	myth	May 20 15:21
_Goblin	the Satan in the Christian faith doesn't have horn or is red...	May 20 15:21
_Goblin	another myth...	May 20 15:21
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/468833582791000064	May 20 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz Don't laugh, one of those politicians was my boss at some point in the past :-)		May 20 15:21
schestowitz__	One is my boss	May 20 15:21
DaemonFC	I wouldn't have told him to use a bat.	May 20 15:22
schestowitz__	One is my boss, indirectly	May 20 15:22
DaemonFC	I would have suggested the BFG 9000.	May 20 15:22
_Goblin	But maybe that is what signs showed, that people who talk about faith don't even know it properly.	May 20 15:22
msb_	Satan usually is red colored.	May 20 15:22
Snowleaksange	btw us championship tie breaks (rapid games) about to start here http://www.chessclub.com/us-championship-live	May 20 15:22
MinceR	DaemonFC: :>	May 20 15:22
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_Goblin	no msb	May 20 15:22
_Goblin	Lucifer was gods most perfect angel	May 20 15:22
msb_	Demons in anime' have red eyes.	May 20 15:22
_Goblin	he was cast down because he became big headed.	May 20 15:22
_Goblin	and try to take the seat of god	May 20 15:22
_Goblin	he wasn't changed	May 20 15:22
msb_	The "devil" is red. Even on cans of fish!	May 20 15:23
_Goblin	he was morphed into a thing with horns.	May 20 15:23
_Goblin	*wasn't	May 20 15:23
msb_	DaemonFC: They didn't have a BFG, but they did have a bat.	May 20 15:23
_Goblin	I have to tell "christians" that and I don't even share their faith.	May 20 15:23
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLFkiyCjc2E	May 20 15:25
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msb_	I like Shyamalan's movies. Interesting because they're weird.	May 20 15:26
msb_	He comes up with unusual ideas.	May 20 15:26
msb_	DaemonFC: So the movie with ghosts and radio was White Noise, and had Michael Keaton, not Mel Gibson?	May 20 15:27
msb_	Maybe you got White Noise and Signs mixed in your mind, since both had spooky radio. I call that "hashed to the same bin". Happens to me a lot.	May 20 15:28
_Goblin	Talking of movies....this indi film made on a small budget looks quite good: http://bypuk.com/movies/drift/	May 20 15:29
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_Goblin	£5000 apparently.	May 20 15:29
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxxsP7VWVN8	May 20 15:29
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DaemonFC	What is it with all the late teens, and twenty somethings that say "I like older men?".	May 20 15:32
DaemonFC	Oh, NOW you give me attention!	May 20 15:33
DaemonFC	If I had known this, I would have been 30 ten years ago! Thanks for that....	May 20 15:33
_Goblin	but then you would be even older now with less time to enjoy yourself.	May 20 15:35
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msb_	_Goblin: The Drift doesn't seem to be released yet.	May 20 15:35
_Goblin	I just had them follow me on twiter so I checked them out and saw the trailer.....	May 20 15:36
_Goblin	it does look quite good though doesn't it?	May 20 15:36
_Goblin	especially for only just more than the price of an iphone.	May 20 15:36
sebsebseb	what you two on about? I just joined	May 20 15:37
_Goblin	A low budget indi film	May 20 15:37
_Goblin	http://bypuk.com/movies/drift/	May 20 15:37
msb_	We'll see when it comes out. The trailer is mostly yelling and "action".	May 20 15:37
_Goblin	I'll never remember......that's my movie fix now for another year.	May 20 15:38
_Goblin	if movies were compressed into 2 mins like that trailer, I might watch a few.	May 20 15:38
msb_	I thought _Gravity_ was ok, but I'm partial to Sandra Bullock. It was padded out, though.	May 20 15:38
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121688	May 20 15:41
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schestowitz__	"	May 20 15:41
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schestowitz__	Yeah, that's kinda funny ... BUT: I'm kinda saddened by the fact that this is not being done by means of the merits of Linux OS itself, but by some silly, ridiculous and boring politics.	May 20 15:41
schestowitz__	I mean - come on - isn't Linux itself a good reason to switch to Linux? do people always need to compare it to other, crappy OSs?	May 20 15:41
schestowitz__	I know the reasoning behind it. It's way too simple - it's just laziness and lack of damn creativity. People are just too lazy to leave their comfort zones for a while and search for alternatives. Well, unless they're forced by some silly politics ...	May 20 15:41
schestowitz__	"	May 20 15:41
schestowitz__	GNU/Linux never preached much about technical merit (even when it had it). Since its dawn GNU spoke about freedom and only "Open Source" and "Linux" seem to focus so much on merit, not philosophical or autonomic	May 20 15:42
sebsebseb	what are you copying in from schestowitz__ ?	May 20 15:43
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/madcap_loon/status/468839272829956096	May 20 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@madcap_loon: Whoa!! Neat :-) "@schestowitz: #china bans #microsoft #windows ( #nsa #prism prison) http://t.co/yaOLxPh3Eu http://t.co/6GmZPLiHss"		May 20 15:44
schestowitz__	sebsebseb: diaspoa	May 20 15:44
cubezzz	Unix was an os for programmers	May 20 15:45
cubezzz	it's hard to get the masses behind it, or it's derivatives	May 20 15:45
msb_	"China bans Windows 8 on government computers" Times of India. Cool!	May 20 15:46
cubezzz	higher learning centres were always into Unix	May 20 15:47
msb_	cubezzz: But if Linux, at least some distros) is already set up on a computer, it can be used just as easily, and by non-programmers, as Windows. And works a lot better.	May 20 15:47
cubezzz	personally, I just want source code :)	May 20 15:47
sebsebseb	msb_: yeah thanks for the link, just read it, but I guess it means Mac is ok still	May 20 15:47
cubezzz	msb_, someone still has to install it	May 20 15:48
cubezzz	the OEMs are just starting to do that to some degree	May 20 15:48
msb_	Windows is already installed when the computer is purchased, thanks to MS' coercion.	May 20 15:48
msb_	Linux has been installed on computers in public libraries, and people find it just as easy as Windows.	May 20 15:49
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h4dVFOi3Xg	May 20 15:49
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msb_	Sometimes they think it is Windows, or don't even know what an OS is.	May 20 15:50
cubezzz	unfortunately not around here, not in libraries anyway	May 20 15:50
sebsebseb	cubezzz: msb_ schestowitz__ now ow do I talk for a few minutes about free software activists and suc, and make it intresting to people who odn't really know about that hmm	May 20 15:50
abeNd-org	the only thing i dont like about linux at the library is there is no good patron management system that works with both linux & windows machines	May 20 15:50
abeNd-org	some that work for windows & mac, but not linux	May 20 15:50
sebsebseb	public speaking	May 20 15:51
abeNd-org	and when you contact the vendors they say they wont support linux	May 20 15:51
msb_	sebsebseb: Show them the movie _Antitrust_! 8^)	May 20 15:51
sebsebseb	patron what's that?	May 20 15:51
sebsebseb	msb_: no seriously I got a spech coming up and it's hmm	May 20 15:52
abeNd-org	library patron = anyone who walks through the door that isnt a library employee	May 20 15:52
sebsebseb	msb_: I want to give people an idea what this stuffi s about, and can be about for some and why	May 20 15:52
cubezzz	see, Microsoft courted developers first	May 20 15:52
cubezzz	they were anti-Unix, anti-BeoS, anti-Linux, anti-anything but windows	May 20 15:53
cubezzz	we're still reversing that mindset	May 20 15:53
abeNd-org	well, until i can get a good patron management system that will work with the ILS (evergreen, opensource) in the backend, & windows as well as linux in the front end, im stuck with windows only	May 20 15:54
msb_	sebsebseb: Tell them Windows crashes, spies on them, costs $100+, won't let them play some DRM'ed media.	May 20 15:55
msb_	Tell them Microsoft lies to them.	May 20 15:55
msb_	abeNd-org: Do you want a system that tracks patrons and the books they borrow? I'm just talking about putting Linux computers out for the patrons to use.	May 20 15:56
sebsebseb	msb_: well yes to an extnet	May 20 15:56
sebsebseb	msb_: ,but I want to go for a more middle thing I think	May 20 15:56
cubezzz	http://www.greenstone.org	May 20 15:56
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sebsebseb	open source and free software the difference a bit	May 20 15:56
sebsebseb	msb_: how some take freedom to the extreame really, and go and replace their bis to maybe say somethingabout that even	May 20 15:56
sebsebseb	oh core boot nice, but iif it goes wrong I guess computer won't work well	May 20 15:57
sebsebseb	changing OS ok not a big deal these days, but the bios of the computer to, that's like taking freedom to the next level	May 20 15:57
sebsebseb	most don't care enough to do that even, to even try	May 20 15:57
sebsebseb	a lot don't care if the bios is propritayr fimewire as well that even know something about that	May 20 15:57
cubezzz	chromebooks come with coreboot installed already, except for the first 3	May 20 15:58
sebsebseb	msb_: cubezzz schestowitz__ have you replaced your bios with a free one?	May 20 15:58
sebsebseb	well if it's already installed that's differnet, it works it's pre installed :)	May 20 15:58
sebsebseb	,but most computers that is not the case, and so replaceing the bios with coreboot is like taking software freedom to the extreame realy?l	May 20 15:58
msb_	sebsebseb: Nope. No reason to. Not UEFI.	May 20 15:59
sebsebseb	if it goes wrong the computer won't work, it's not like if a OS install goeswrong so what, make a new partion table start over	May 20 15:59
sebsebseb	msb_: what's that?	May 20 15:59
sebsebseb	oh your saying no reason to use core boot	May 20 15:59
sebsebseb	since it won't do uefi ?	May 20 15:59
cubezzz	sebsebseb, if you're developing you need a flash writer	May 20 15:59
cubezzz	and socketed bios	May 20 15:59
sebsebseb	cubezzz: flash write,r for the bios /?	May 20 16:00
cubezzz	just glue push-pins on the chip so you can remove it easily	May 20 16:00
msb_	UEFI is the new bios system MS is pushing that prevents any OS other than the one specified by the mfr (Windows) from running.	May 20 16:00
sebsebseb	mfr? mbr?	May 20 16:00
msb_	MS wants UEFI to kill Linux.	May 20 16:00
cubezzz	there's chromebooks and lemote, both have bios source code	May 20 16:00
msb_	mfr - manufacturer	May 20 16:01
sebsebseb	msb_: right, but your saying core boot won't support UEFI ?	May 20 16:01
sebsebseb	anyway let's say someone puts on a 100% free software distro, since they want compelte freedom, right ok	May 20 16:01
cubezzz	there's an open source implementation of UEFI :)	May 20 16:01
sebsebseb	or pretty much complete freedom	May 20 16:01
cubezzz	it's called TianoCore	May 20 16:01
sebsebseb	it seems to me that then replaceing the bios with coreboot is like taking everything to the next level	May 20 16:01
amarsh04	restart time, rebuilt a new kernel after Linus Torvalds returned from his week off and posted a relatively small lot updates	May 20 16:01
msb_	sebsebseb: I suppose it will, but A. I don't need UEFI and B. my presne bios works fine, so I'm not gonna fuck with it.	May 20 16:02
sebsebseb	isn't it good enough running a 100% free OS? why o the bios as well? why go to the next level seriosuly?	May 20 16:02
sebsebseb	why mess with the bios, when you know your computer can go quite wrong if it messes up/?	May 20 16:02
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sebsebseb	why not leave it as the propritar bios? when got those concerns, but no those that really do want compelte freedom will replace the bios to or try to	May 20 16:03
cubezzz	socketed bios can be re-programmed	May 20 16:03
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sebsebseb	and I think that may e taking software freedom to the extreame	May 20 16:03
sebsebseb	cubezzz: what do you mean by socketed bios?	May 20 16:03
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sebsebseb	msb_: I think most people take a middle groundorh watever it's called, they wnat to be rather free, but they still want to have that Nivida propritary graphics driver, or theFLash plugin for example	May 20 16:04
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sebsebseb	hmm reay no MinceR ?l	May 20 16:04
cubezzz	so you can removed it, replace it	May 20 16:04
sebsebseb	cubezzz: the like haing two bios's thin or whatever osmeone said to me beore	May 20 16:04
sebsebseb	so if it goes wrong installing core boot	May 20 16:04
sebsebseb	still got a bios?	May 20 16:04
cubezzz	no	May 20 16:04
cubezzz	you take it out and reprogram it when necessary	May 20 16:05
MinceR	sebsebseb: huh?	May 20 16:05
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121449	May 20 16:05
sebsebseb	cubezzz: or you take it out and install core boot if you want to, is that you mean?	May 20 16:05
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schestowitz__	"I don't care for Canonical and Ubuntu, as it breaks FLOSS. Ergo: don't care for Jono Bacon. BTW yes, we're all grown up here, but his name and surname makes me wanna laugh everytime I hear it. PS sorry Jono Bacon. Didn't want to be rude or whatever. I'm sure you're a nice man and stuff."	May 20 16:05
cubezzz	sebsebseb, if you want to try coreboot the easy way is to buy a chromebook	May 20 16:06
cubezzz	it's a lot of work understanding the motherboard well enough to add coreboot if it's not supported	May 20 16:06
msb_	sebsebseb: I use what works best. The nvidia driver works well and has a nice adjuster. Flash is shit but lots of websites use it.	May 20 16:06
sebsebseb	cubezzz: ok the easy way, but those who want complete freedom on their standard non chromebook or lemote, I guess may try andinstall it on there replaceing the propritary bios? and I am saying that's taking software freedom to the extremae really?	May 20 16:06
sebsebseb	why mess with something as valuble as the bios realy, most people woudn't, but those who want complete freedom, oh yeah they may	May 20 16:07
cubezzz	no, I would't say it's extreme	May 20 16:07
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cubezzz	building your own computer from stratch, that's extreme :)	May 20 16:07
sebsebseb	I mean the averaege computer user who likes free software won't touch the bios probaby	May 20 16:07
cubezzz	well there are firmware updates	May 20 16:07
sebsebseb	those running a 100% free software distro, probably most won't replace the propritary bios on the machine as well, or try to with a free one	May 20 16:07
cubezzz	FSF does	May 20 16:08
cubezzz	they run coreboot	May 20 16:08
sebsebseb	yes those really into software freedom wll try and replace the bios lie I just said	May 20 16:08
sebsebseb	,but everyone else uh no	May 20 16:08
sebsebseb	and that's my point	May 20 16:08
sebsebseb	those who are so sucked into sofftware freedom, but the reset well no	May 20 16:08
cubezzz	I'd rather know what it's doing	May 20 16:09
sebsebseb	well sure, but my point is most computer users won't take things to the next level by trying to replace the propritary bios with a free one	May 20 16:09
amarsh04	I think that coreboot is worthwhile... just wish that I could get hold of a decent motherboard that supported it	May 20 16:09
sebsebseb	,because they will beworriedit goes wrong and computer ismsesed up, and they know it's not like doing a OS, for those that even try	May 20 16:09
sebsebseb	or want to	May 20 16:09
cubezzz	I've botched coreboot up many times	May 20 16:10
sebsebseb	It's a good project sure, but it's not one for most LInux users at the moment, and that's my point	May 20 16:10
cubezzz	until I learned enough to get it working	May 20 16:10
amarsh04	motherboards that incorporate a dual bios arrangement would be a good start	May 20 16:10
sebsebseb	most LInux users would be to scared to even try installing core boot replaceing the propritary bios of the computer	May 20 16:10
sebsebseb	,but those into software freedom enough, oh they will be doingit sure, and that's my point	May 20 16:10
sebsebseb	,but as one of the people who won't even try and replace the bios at the moment, I think it's like taking things to the next level trying to do that	May 20 16:11
sebsebseb	get me now?	May 20 16:11
abeNd-org	msb_ the current system we use is cassie from http://www.librarica.com/, it integrates fully into the opensource evergreen ILS (library database, all the materials & library cards), it allows the patrons to log into the computer using their library card as the userid, they can reserve computers if they want to, etc	May 20 16:11
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amarsh04	one would need to be running more than one machine, but that's what I'm doing already - having 2 machines is great for getting out of sticky situations	May 20 16:11
sebsebseb	most people don't care enough about the bios to try and replace it with a free one, that's another point I am pmaking	May 20 16:12
amarsh04	and if I get a new machine I'd try to get something that supported coreboot and get that running on it first	May 20 16:12
sebsebseb	,but those who care enough, generally care so much about software freedom, that they aren't the average free software user	May 20 16:12
cubezzz	it's not just coreboot	May 20 16:12
amarsh04	I haven't caught up with efi yet	May 20 16:12
abeNd-org	im sure most would be willing to flash their linksys router with ddwrt, but not their computer's bios with something opensource	May 20 16:13
cubezzz	Sun had openboot	May 20 16:13
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: bingo that's the point I am making	May 20 16:13
cubezzz	PDP's had open firmware too	May 20 16:13
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: ,but why and so on and uh	May 20 16:13
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: they will switch to a LINUX DISTRO, they may do the router, but the bios wil be left alone	May 20 16:13
sebsebseb	only those who are really into this kindof stuff, even try and change the bio	May 20 16:13
sebsebseb	s	May 20 16:13
sebsebseb	and everyone else no	May 20 16:13
abeNd-org	sebsebseb: vendor support, you do that to your nice dell desktop/laptop & you have voided all warranty, even hardrive/etc, but no one cares about voiding the warranty on a linksys router with ddwrt	May 20 16:14
sebsebseb	just like only usually those who really care so much about the ethics of software freedom run 100% free softare LInuxdistro	May 20 16:14
sebsebseb	no flash no this nad that, everyone else, well things like FLash they will install basially and yeah	May 20 16:14
cubezzz	also...	May 20 16:14
cubezzz	OPLC has open firmware	May 20 16:14
cubezzz	I'm sure I could name more examples	May 20 16:15
cubezzz	IBM power...	May 20 16:15
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: cubezzz and only those who care so much about it, correct people usauly wnen they say LInux, and they are like no it's GNU/Linux	May 20 16:15
abeNd-org	besides, ive not had issues running SuSE on my dell servers, even with the latest bios updates, so i dont see how that is stopping linux on the server side	May 20 16:15
cubezzz	but I don't say that sebsebseb	May 20 16:16
cubezzz	I run a bunch of different OSes	May 20 16:16
sebsebseb	some people care so much about all this that, they are obbssed with it	May 20 16:16
sebsebseb	NO it mst be GNU	May 20 16:16
sebsebseb	no LInuxwithout the GNU	May 20 16:16
sebsebseb	oh geez no don't run a propiray bios, must be core boot	May 20 16:16
cubezzz	strawman argument	May 20 16:16
sebsebseb	no no running WIndows is so bad, no no Mac is so bad	May 20 16:16
cubezzz	which I never made	May 20 16:16
sebsebseb	yes Stallman is the great example of what I ma saying	May 20 16:16
MinceR	> "- i'd like to get a mousepad for my mac. - yes, this seems like a fair trade"	May 20 16:17
sebsebseb	cubezzz: yes you didn't , but wI want to talk a bit about this stuff in a talk	May 20 16:17
sebsebseb	that's why I am thinking about it	May 20 16:17
sebsebseb	what to say etc	May 20 16:17
abeNd-org	most people could care less about the distinctions	May 20 16:17
sebsebseb	how to like make people think intereseting, but without thinking ike oh those people are nuts	May 20 16:17
sebsebseb	I want to look at the people who don't care as much	May 20 16:17
sebsebseb	to those that do	May 20 16:17
sebsebseb	and a bit aout myself and so on	May 20 16:17
sebsebseb	,but to an aduaince of people who aren't reall into computers most of them, so it's like hwat to say, how to say it	May 20 16:17
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: the distinctions the so called correct way of saying things is that what you mean?	May 20 16:18
sebsebseb	abeNd-org: oh and openSUSE well some would attack you for that, since the MIcrooft deal, incluing MinceR	May 20 16:18
sebsebseb	there's that kind of thing to, oh no Microsofot is linked to that, it's so bad, well here's one such example, some companies are in a group now so money anbe used, if heartbleed issues happen agian	May 20 16:19
sebsebseb	one such company is Microsoft, no APple in there htough	May 20 16:19
abeNd-org	well the business apps customers run are certified on SLES, so that is what i use (not even opensuse), customer wants vendor certification for their business apps, so its either windows or SLES (sometimes rhel)	May 20 16:19
sebsebseb	now is that a bad thing that Microsoft put them selves in a group, of companies like that	May 20 16:19
cubezzz	my advice to anyone is to read history	May 20 16:20
DaemonFC	why is the green light on my phone flashing for no reason?	May 20 16:20
cubezzz	or watch some of Moglen's videos	May 20 16:20
cubezzz	or read what Moglen wrote about copyright	May 20 16:21
abeNd-org	but the average human doesnt care about linux/gnu/bsd/windows/etc, they just want their facebook & photosharing to work, they could care less if it was on internet explorer, firefox, chrome, etc	May 20 16:21
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cubezzz	well the NSA spying, I think they care about that	May 20 16:24
cubezzz	some of my customers are anti-cloud	May 20 16:25
cubezzz	eventually the old ways of thinking will die out	May 20 16:32
cubezzz	and the next generation will do things differently	May 20 16:32
cubezzz	coaches used to be 100% against hockey goalies wearing face protection :)	May 20 16:33
cubezzz	so yeah, learn some history	May 20 16:33
cubezzz	read Moglen's phd dissertation, it's an excellent piece of work	May 20 16:35
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abeNd-org	yea, it seems "the cloud" is where all the customers want to go, even if it doesnt make financial sense for them to do so	May 20 16:44
_Goblin	I suppose I'm a customer (albeit not a company) I'm 98% on the cloud	May 20 16:49
_Goblin	Storage wise (for my documents) I'm sort of hybrid since this device can work offline with my docs and syncs them when available.	May 20 16:50
_Goblin	100gb of storage - that covers all my family snaps.....Docs don't use up the space...I think it's great.	May 20 16:51
cubezzz	people (still) aren't backing up their data	May 20 16:52
abeNd-org	thats ok, most data really isnt all that important	May 20 16:52
abeNd-org	most individuals would be fine if they had to start over	May 20 16:52
cubezzz	well, I assume folks want to keep their photos	May 20 16:53
abeNd-org	shrug if they do, then they should back them up, if not, then they werent important to begin with	May 20 16:53
_Goblin	I've lost more photo's through local storage than I care to remember...	May 20 16:54
_Goblin	at least with Google I've had them on the drive for a long while, no issues.	May 20 16:55
abeNd-org	i have mine "backed up" locally, onedrive (225gb space) & bittorrentsync to an external drive	May 20 16:55
_Goblin	and if the government want to look through them, then fine as long as they don't mess up the organization.	May 20 16:55
abeNd-org	if i manage to lose it in all 3 places, well, it wasnt all that important to begin with :P	May 20 16:55
_Goblin	I was burned by an external drive....	May 20 16:56
_Goblin	maybe my backup routine was lacking....	May 20 16:56
_Goblin	but then you just don't see how fragile things are until its too late.	May 20 16:56
cubezzz	well no system is perfect, some of my kodachrome slides have deteriorated	May 20 16:56
abeNd-org	_goblin when all that nsa snooping first broke schestowitz took one of my quotes along the lines of "fine, make a copy of all my stuff, but at least give me access to it as a backup"	May 20 16:57
cubezzz	mostly the ones from the mid-70s	May 20 16:57
cubezzz	old film can have vinegar syndrome	May 20 16:57
_Goblin	abeNd-org: I'd agree....It would be less a bitter pill to swallow if I can grab a backup should things get deleted.	May 20 16:57
abeNd-org	yep, if we could get something for our money out of it...	May 20 16:58
_Goblin	but then we all store data on the cloud....of sorts....	May 20 16:58
abeNd-org	just setup owncloud or something as a front end & give us all logins :P	May 20 16:58
_Goblin	thats another plus of gdrive...I can share it with anyone.	May 20 16:58
_Goblin	so its handy when relatives have photo's to upload.	May 20 16:59
abeNd-org	yea, dropbox & im pretty sure onedrive allow that too	May 20 16:59
abeNd-org	& for corporate use I use Novell Filr for that, works great	May 20 17:00
abeNd-org	^since it works against edir/ad/ldap	May 20 17:01
_Goblin	I won't use dropbox....appart from the management issues its not integrated on this Chromebook like gdrive.	May 20 17:01
abeNd-org	i havent played with a chromebook really as of yet	May 20 17:01
_Goblin	I'd recommend.	May 20 17:01
abeNd-org	setup wireless on a bunch of them for some kids, but havent actually used it other than that	May 20 17:01
abeNd-org	ive got no disposable income for one of my own, & cant really think of what i would use it for. cant use it for anything above & beyond my work laptop for work or personal use	May 20 17:02
MinceR	gn	May 20 17:02
_Goblin	I think they come into their own if you are looking to replace an existing laptop, live mostly online and use Google services heavily.	May 20 17:02
_Goblin	gn mate	May 20 17:03
abeNd-org	and up until recently, my home internet connection was subpar DSL	May 20 17:03
abeNd-org	so living in the cloud would have been very dark & gloomy	May 20 17:03
abeNd-org	i couldnt stream a 240p youtube video without it buffering very few minutes	May 20 17:04
cubezzz	have you tried gmail-backup?	May 20 17:04
_Goblin	Its pretty flawless switching between off and online (for documents et al) however for me, if I lose net connection any machine is pretty much worthless to me.	May 20 17:04
_Goblin	cubezzz: no.....don't need particularly.	May 20 17:04
cubezzz	I hope it doesn't backup the spam :-P	May 20 17:05
_Goblin	probably will....	May 20 17:05
_Goblin	although it filters my spam quite effectively.	May 20 17:05
_Goblin	I've seen a really useless feature.......	May 20 17:05
_Goblin	"Request your tweets"......	May 20 17:05
_Goblin	who on earth wants to request a copy of all their tweets? In my case 13k of them.	May 20 17:06
cubezzz	hmmm, seems to go back to 2009	May 20 17:07
_Goblin	I joined in that year	May 20 17:07
_Goblin	I was a Twitter pioneer.......(or was I) not sure when twitter started	May 20 17:07
cubezzz	gmail only started in July 2008	May 20 17:08
sebsebseb	cubezzz: hmm sounds about right for gmail	May 20 17:08
sebsebseb	I got quite early I guess	May 20 17:08
sebsebseb	then	May 20 17:08
_Goblin	I can't say I've had any issues.....	May 20 17:09
_Goblin	oh except for when I delete mail and I get a message "Why delete you have loads of space?"	May 20 17:09
_Goblin	I delete because the stuff is crap.	May 20 17:09
_Goblin	I don't keep crap.	May 20 17:09
_Goblin	No actually I do..... I have an 80286 up in the loft with Windows 3.1 on it.	May 20 17:10
_Goblin	or was it a 386?	May 20 17:10
cubezzz	an historical artifact :)	May 20 17:10
_Goblin	It's cool because its an Amstrad and its shaped like the battlestar galactica	May 20 17:11
_Goblin	(I think I've said that here before)	May 20 17:11
_Goblin	Mark my words: The new Star Wars films will be worse than spending a day on Alderaan with the Death Star in orbit.	May 20 17:13
_Goblin	(a random Twitter remark of mine)....	May 20 17:14
_Goblin	I think I'm going to request my Tweets just to see what they send me.	May 20 17:14
_Goblin	And here's a photo of the same Amstrad I have... https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/467226630348611584	May 20 17:15
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msb_	sebsebseb: Seems to me that you would want to talk about the advantages of Linux over Windows and Mac. In addition to reliability, one of the big advantages is multiple virtual desktops (if you use a DE that supports them). You can have one desktop for Mail, one for Music, one for Photos, etc., as many as 20 of them, and in each one you only have the programs for that particular activity, so your screen is never cluttered with programs	May 20 18:30
msb_	you're not using. This is viewed by many Linux power users as one of the greatest advantages of Linux.	May 20 18:30
msb_	sebsebseb: KDE3 and Trinity (TDE) supports this. Perhaps there are others.	May 20 18:32
msb_	sebsebseb: Each desktop has at the bottom a little applet listing the names of all the desktops, and to switch to a different one you only have to click on the name of the one you want to go to.	May 20 18:34
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msb_	if seb^3 ever comes back, here's the excellent description of MS evil from cubezzz: http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt	May 20 18:39
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cubezzz	yeah, I really think things have improved though	May 20 18:49
cubezzz	chromebooks, linux/bsd, coreboot, simh	May 20 18:49
cubezzz	lots of reasons not to use M$	May 20 18:51
cubezzz	"Genuine Advantage"	May 20 18:52
cubezzz	forced online validation	May 20 18:53
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cubezzz	some folks who had a geniune windows were flagged as counterfeit	May 20 18:59
cubezzz	Office Genuine Advantage was shut down late 2010	May 20 19:03
cubezzz	in the old days you could install a program on two or more computers	May 20 19:04
cubezzz	no one thought twice about it	May 20 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland & Weston 1.5 Officially Released	May 20 19:10
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcr70	May 20 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wayland & Weston 1.5 Officially Released \| Tux Machines		May 20 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Clonezilla Live 2.2.3-10 Is Now Stable and	May 20 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	Based on Linux Kernel 3.14.4	May 20 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CnNVwD963e	May 20 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcr71	May 20 19:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing the GTK+ inspector tool for	May 20 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	Application Developers http://t.co/FYsD1SFbBB	May 20 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcr72	May 20 19:10
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cubezzz	selling IBM windows for a higher price was a nice trick too	May 20 19:13
cubezzz	had to put the kibosh on OS/2 don't ya know	May 20 19:14
cubezzz	not upgrading fast enough? whoa, it's time for touch-screen :)	May 20 19:15
cubezzz	http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/nsa-has-total-access-via-microsoft-windows/	May 20 19:19
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msb_	Here's Stallman's excellent short story about future imprisonment -- for reading. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html	May 20 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org \| The Right to Read - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/4x2yh ]		May 20 19:21
cubezzz	really the DMCA stuff just slows things down a bit	May 20 19:24
cubezzz	it sure didn't stop anything :)	May 20 19:24
cubezzz	you know, scanners and all that	May 20 19:25
cubezzz	that is really the KO punch	May 20 19:26
msb_	Little mammals, eating the dinosaurs' eggs!	May 20 19:27
msb_	I'll bet the rulers wish they'd never allowed ARPANET to be created!	May 20 19:29
cubezzz	no they just want to control it	May 20 19:29
msb_	But they can't!	May 20 19:29
cubezzz	open protocols...	May 20 19:30
msb_	Even if they enforce extreme security restrictions on it, we can make our own nets.	May 20 19:31
msb_	Pseudo-random frequency-hopping spread-spectrum. I love that one!	May 20 19:31
cubezzz	but you're on comcast :)	May 20 19:32
cubezzz	at least use a free-net, if at all possible	May 20 19:32
msb_	I'm talking about a totally DIY network.	May 20 19:32
msb_	Not just an ISP.	May 20 19:33
msb_	PRFHSS would be virtually undetectible -- indistinguishable from random noise.	May 20 19:34
msb_	You'd need a matched PRNG to detect and decode it. Very cheap these days!	May 20 19:35
cubezzz	is anyone doing that now?	May 20 19:35
cubezzz	there's mesh I think	May 20 19:35
msb_	I think its a standard military method.	May 20 19:36
msb_	That too.	May 20 19:36
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msb_	Someone told me that wifi already uses frequency hopping.	May 20 19:36
abeNd-org	any of you in the northwest?	May 20 19:37
msb_	California	May 20 19:38
cubezzz	northwest what? :)	May 20 19:38
abeNd-org	obviously the only northwest that matters :P	May 20 19:38
msb_	The US is the center of the Universe.	May 20 19:38
cubezzz	this is IRC you know	May 20 19:39
abeNd-org	msb wife wants to move out to the oregon area	May 20 19:39
msb_	Doubt that and you won't live to tell about it.	May 20 19:39
abeNd-org	how am i supposed to know where you all live	May 20 19:39
abeNd-org	which is why i was asking	May 20 19:40
cubezzz	well you guys invented Unix, so yeah	May 20 19:40
msb_	We're just razzing you.	May 20 19:40
cubezzz	I'm close to Toronto	May 20 19:40
abeNd-org	coming from Texas, where I'm told the job market is actually good, was just hoping to get a feel of the west coast/northwest if any of you were actually around there	May 20 19:41
msb_	It's kinda squishy in some places.	May 20 19:44
msb_	I don't know what to tell you. I don't get out much.	May 20 19:45
abeNd-org	lol	May 20 19:46
msb_	The population of California is gradually being displaced by Mexican nationals.	May 20 19:49
msb_	Consequently, Asian and Italian food is disappearing from stores like Costco.	May 20 19:50
msb_	However there is one type of food that is now appearing everywhere, and that is tilapia fish.	May 20 19:51
msb_	Tilapia is the only fish in the known universe that has "loins".	May 20 19:51
abeNd-org	yea, TX is disappearing too, as is basic literacy (in any language) thus my librarian wife looking to move somewhere that literacy is a bit better	May 20 19:54
msb_	It's very secretive about what it does with those "loins", but the result is a lot of tilapia fish.	May 20 19:54
msb_	At least we're not getting a lot of Muslims who would want to cut our heads off if we criticize their religion.	May 20 19:56
cubezzz	working in a library, seems like it would be a nice job	May 20 20:01
abeNd-org	msb_ the religion of love & tolerance?	May 20 20:06
abeNd-org	cubezzz yea, if your populace is literate	May 20 20:06
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/pavethemoon/status/468905131766202368	May 21 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pavethemoon: @schestowitz Your reporting is fantastic. I, until recently, was selling Windows software of my own. I've come to GNU/Linux to repent.		May 21 00:51
schestowitz__	There is high demand for GNU/Linux these days, esp. in business and public sector	May 21 00:51
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/468851220308709376	May 21 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz dude, non-free software is better. if it wasn't for that, i wouldn't have a consulting business fixing the shit it ruins :)		May 21 00:52
schestowitz__	I know that feeling...	May 21 00:52
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121688	May 21 00:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		May 21 00:56
schestowitz__	"Hm, well ... you might have a point there, Roy."	May 21 00:56
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4122167	May 21 00:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		May 21 00:56
schestowitz__	"That's not so far off the truth. He was in on the start of the Open Source movement though it wasn't his idea."	May 21 00:56
schestowitz__	They only phoned him after they chose the name	May 21 00:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121390	May 21 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		May 21 00:57
schestowitz__	"It's Forbes, marc."	May 21 00:57
schestowitz__	"Aah, so I guess we could stop here. Forbes ..."	May 21 00:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4122206	May 21 00:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		May 21 00:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4122206	May 21 00:58
schestowitz__	"I have a different idea, if you have to pay handsomely engineers for writing and supporting software then it might be hideous, compared to software written and maintained by guys for free just because is funny and fulfilling."	May 21 00:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android mini-PC taps quad-core Rockchip, cools	May 21 01:22
TweetTuxMachines	itself http://t.co/RlDK6VKGTE	May 21 01:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcsg0	May 21 01:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android mini-PC taps quad-core Rockchip, cools itself \| Tux Machines		May 21 01:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rugged, wildly modular tablet runs Android and	May 21 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/hvDSu35qEH	May 21 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcsge	May 21 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Rugged, wildly modular tablet runs Android and Linux \| Tux Machines		May 21 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security's future belongs to open source	May 21 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3HZw3vnyqJ	May 21 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcsgf	May 21 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security's future belongs to open source \| Tux Machines		May 21 01:26
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/468986458544828416	May 21 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz could this mean the return of PJ and Groklaw?		May 21 01:29
schestowitz__	she worked hard for 10 years, I think she's resting now	May 21 01:29
*TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Security's future belongs to open source http://t.co/3HZw3vnyqJ'		May 21 01:31
*TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Rugged, wildly modular tablet runs Android and Linux...'		May 21 01:31
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/468989288605286400	May 21 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz GTK+ doesn't need an inspector, it needs either SWAT, SAS or a demolition team.. Sorry, couldn't resist.		May 21 01:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Shake Up, Linus Interviewed, and Mint 16	May 21 02:00
TweetTuxMachines	Reviewed http://t.co/AS2CaiNawR	May 21 02:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcskb	May 21 02:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Mac-ifying of the Linux Desktop	May 21 02:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/o3TX1R7mXd	May 21 02:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcsp1	May 21 02:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Mac-ifying of the Linux Desktop \| Tux Machines		May 21 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat's OpenStack moment: Just like Linux in	May 21 03:15
TweetTuxMachines	2003? http://t.co/jysYrzqWXN	May 21 03:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcsub	May 21 03:15
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditLinux favourited 'Red Hat's OpenStack moment: Just like Linux in...'		May 21 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat's OpenStack moment: Just like Linux in 2003? \| Tux Machines		May 21 03:15
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4123762	May 21 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA Spying Inspires ProtonMail 'End-to-End' Encrypted Email Service http://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/nsa-spying-inspires-protonmail-end-to-end-encrypted-email-service-526769 redo #email - start with encryption as standard		May 21 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gadgets.ndtv.com \| NSA Spying Inspires ProtonMail 'End-to-End' Encrypted Email Service \| NDTV Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/hcsuo ]		May 21 03:18
schestowitz__	I think that, no matters what, the most secure way is encripting mails by using GPG. The disadvantage of GPG is that no-one want to use it! Like the think "its not going to happen to me",,, maybe is because they don't have a clueless idea about how e-mail works... :-/""	May 21 03:18
MinceR	geekings	May 21 03:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 10.1.4 http://t.co/gG5xfXnOaU	May 21 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hct74	May 21 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mesa 10.1.4 \| Tux Machines		May 21 04:37
*TweetTuxMachines @ubuntuaio favourited 'Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With Ubuntu...'		May 21 04:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With	May 21 05:44
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ubuntu Derivatives http://t.co/wZErbzKkDY	May 21 05:44
TweetTuxMachines	@ubuntuaio	May 21 05:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hctgc	May 21 05:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With Ubuntu Derivatives \| Tux Machines		May 21 05:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open-Source DisplayPort MST Is Under Review	May 21 05:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9PYWLg6mUT	May 21 05:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hctgd	May 21 05:44
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MinceR	http://www.thenation.com/article/179710/hungary-and-end-politics	May 21 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com \| Hungary and the End of Politics \| The Nation [ http://ur1.ca/hcu4o ]		May 21 08:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Epic Games Wants Linux to Take Off as a Gaming	May 21 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	Platform http://t.co/k0eRveHwMI	May 21 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcu5b	May 21 08:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Epic Games Wants Linux to Take Off as a Gaming Platform \| Tux Machines		May 21 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA On Ubuntu 14.04 Has Some New Advantages	May 21 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	Over Windows 8.1 http://t.co/Ng8hXCMjc6	May 21 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcu5c	May 21 08:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NVIDIA On Ubuntu 14.04 Has Some New Advantages Over Windows 8.1 \| Tux Machines		May 21 08:30
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Sosumi	phew	May 21 09:46
Sosumi	finally some good news	May 21 09:46
Sosumi	the head of ISIS got killed this morning	May 21 09:46
Sosumi	the leader from the islamic state of iraq and sham	May 21 09:47
Sosumi	or the levant	May 21 09:47
Sosumi	from, well, for	May 21 09:47
Sosumi	since the idea of ISIS group wasn't yet implemented	May 21 09:48
Sosumi	my guess is that the state dept, Uk and france are have been having a bad since	May 21 09:49
Sosumi	all their boys have been basically wiped out syria now	May 21 09:50
Sosumi	-of	May 21 09:50
Sosumi	also M$ announced the implementation of a "power nap" similar feature to what crapple has	May 21 09:51
Sosumi	when they launched the new surface "pukelet"	May 21 09:52
Sosumi	which lets the computer fetch emails and update itself while in sleep mode	May 21 09:53
Sosumi	just more complete	May 21 09:53
Sosumi	while power nap on osx is restricted to what crapple wants	May 21 09:53
Sosumi	basically, just their programs	May 21 09:54
Sosumi	but I wonder if gnu/linux has such thing	May 21 09:54
Sosumi	http://www.anandtech.com/show/8030/backup-guide	May 21 10:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anandtech.com \| AnandTech \| Averting Disaster - A Guide To Computer Backups (2014) [ http://ur1.ca/hcuju ]		May 21 10:08
Sosumi	there's talk about built in features, paid solutions and windows server	May 21 10:09
Sosumi	but not a single word about a "free" solution	May 21 10:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With	May 21 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ubuntu Derivatives http://t.co/wZErbzKkDY	May 21 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@nihil_enochian	May 21 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcuxa	May 21 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04 LTS AIO (All-In-One) DVD With Ubuntu Derivatives \| Tux Machines		May 21 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Smallest OS for Raspberry Pi, piCore 5.3,	May 21 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	Returns with Linux Kernel 3.14.4	May 21 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HDDw7bthOt	May 21 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcuxb	May 21 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Smallest OS for Raspberry Pi, piCore 5.3, Returns with Linux Kernel 3.14.4 \| Tux Machines		May 21 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android-x86 4.4-RC2 (KitKat-x86)	May 21 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ye09x6XDkT	May 21 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcv6r	May 21 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android-x86 4.4-RC2 (KitKat-x86) \| Tux Machines		May 21 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chakra-2014.05-Descartes released	May 21 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gP6h9Z1tEa	May 21 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcv6s	May 21 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Chakra-2014.05-Descartes released \| Tux Machines		May 21 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux, Linux everywhere http://t.co/fIrsOW1kWn	May 21 12:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcv6t	May 21 12:00
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/41216414	May 21 14:22
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schestowitz__	"at the moment the Pirates around here do it voluntarily without any gratification....you are right, but until the new parties get corrupted, they can do nice work :-) There´s the hope thing again :-D:	May 21 14:22
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/469175117155926016	May 21 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: RT @LDRLB Apple’s Patently Absurd Smartphone Crusade - Larry Downes - Harvard Business Review http://t.co/rR0UONMeb9 @schestowitz		May 21 15:35
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/469175117155926016	May 21 15:36
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DaemonFC	a few seconds ago	May 21 15:46
DaemonFC	Hey, Indiana Republicans.... I have an idea, you assholes...	May 21 15:46
DaemonFC	Instead of sitting on $2 billion in a "rainy day fund" that was supposed to be stimulus money to put people back to work, which came from the federal government in 2009, while you're busy trying to build new toll roads, why don't you spend the $2 billion, ON THE ROADS!?!?!?	May 21 15:46
DaemonFC	It would take less than 10% of that fund to complete I-69 without turning it into a toll road. It would take about 5% of that fund to expand Medicaid through 2033.	May 21 15:46
DaemonFC	The money is there. The state is not broke. We have assholes running the state.	May 21 15:46
schestowitz__	"yup"	May 21 15:47
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126390	May 21 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The Greens – not #UKIP – are the real alternative to the political Establishment" http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/vote-green-in-england/ #england #uk		May 21 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk \| Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Vote Green in England [ http://ur1.ca/hcwdv ]		May 21 15:47
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4121641	May 21 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #pirateparty on the rise http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-backs-pirate-parties-eu-elections-140520/ http://falkvinge.net/2014/05/20/the-pirate-bay-running-pirate-party-promos-in-election-week/ #eu		May 21 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> torrentfreak.com \| Pirate Bay Backs Pirate Party With EU Election Banners \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hcq2a ]		May 21 15:47
schestowitz__	"Probobly ;)"	May 21 15:47
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4111020	May 21 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #iceweasel - which my wife and I use - almost definitely will exclude #drm from #adobe + #mozilla - #gnu has a fork/branch also		May 21 15:48
schestowitz__	"is iceweasel a firefox plug-in or addon?"	May 21 15:48
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DaemonFC	Brooks Fetters, the Republican mayor of Huntington, who didn't tell us that there was shit and e. coli in our water, while we were drinking it for a week, has lifted the boil advisory that we didn't know about until yesterday.	May 21 15:48
DaemonFC	Herpa Derp Derp! Duh!!!!!!	May 21 15:48
schestowitz__	it's like a fork	May 21 15:49
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126389	May 21 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "How Victor Orbán launched a constitutional coup and created a one-party state." http://www.thenation.com/article/179710/hungary-and-end-politics similar to #uk		May 21 15:49
schestowitz__	"BUT THE CONSTITUTION IS SUPPOSE TO PROTECT US! WHY, GOD, WHY????"	May 21 15:49
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DaemonFC	Fetters and the City Council Republicans recently approved $170,000 of Huntington taxpayer money, to build a new awning outside of a highly profitable car insurance agent's office. That agent donated to their campaigns.	May 21 15:50
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TweetTuxMachines	Machines Remotely http://t.co/PtpPHGq6Hu	May 21 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hcwfr	May 21 15:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/S9zrvRkLvf	May 21 16:55
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schestowitz__	http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/so-many-videos-to-makes-so-little-time/	May 21 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com \| So many videos to makes, so little time! \| Thunderf00t [ http://ur1.ca/hcwr8 ]		May 21 17:05
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/sabinenamba/status/469207450269130752	May 22 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sabinenamba: @schestowitz Take my freedom please!		May 22 00:03
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126829	May 22 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "A little-known aspect of the juvenile justice system requires young offenders to pay for their own prosecution" http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/05/juvenile-justice-fees/362083/		May 22 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com \| Some Kids Get Charged Twice for One Crime - Nishat Kurwa - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/hcykb ]		May 22 00:26
schestowitz__	"“Don’t be committing crimes, and you won’t owe any money.” That would be fine if justice were equal for everyone and there were no people #toobigtojail"	May 22 00:26
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126828	May 22 00:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "$13 million for taking away his freedom for the past three years." http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9248471/AT_T_hacker_wants_government_to_pay_him_13M happens here in #uk also		May 22 00:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerworld.com \| AT&T hacker wants government to pay him $13M - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/hcyki ]		May 22 00:27
schestowitz__	"Yeah, too bad the "greatest patriots of our generation" he cites in his crazy-person rant are Timothy McVeigh, Andrew Joseph Stack, and Marvin Heemeyer. It's people like weev that make legitimate anti-authoritarians look like complete psychos. Blowing up buildings, crashing a plane into a building, and bulldozing an entire town does not necessarily a "patriot" make. My question is was he this crazy before he spent time in solitary	May 22 00:27
schestowitz__	or after, my instinct is he admired those whackjobs before but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the solitary that inspired him to find new "patriots" to look up to."	May 22 00:27
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126792	May 22 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Wikileaks and #TheIntercept clash over #censorship - spot the real media hero http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/beerfiles/64167-wikileaks-and-the-intercept-clash-over-censorship-spot-the-real-media-hero		May 22 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itwire.com \| iTWire - Wikileaks and The Intercept clash over censorship - spot the real media hero [ http://ur1.ca/hcykm ]		May 22 00:29
schestowitz__	"I too wish to know the identity of the second nation in the report but there are problems with this analysis. For one, Greenwald was not "lauded and feted as a heroic, fearless journalist" iTWire suggests. Perhaps they should revisit the response of other journalists to his early reports. Technically he can't even call himself a Pulitzer-winning journalist because it's shared with the Guardian and the other reporters. Secondly,	May 22 00:29
schestowitz__	Wikileaks and Julian Assange himself collaborated with media outlets to redact the vast majority of the Cablegate leaks so I don't know where he nor iTWire get off for making this into a farcical story of "publishing without fear nor favour versus voluntary censorship" as Wikileaks and Assange employed literally the exact same kind of self-censorship. Am I the only one not experience collective amnesia at the moment?"/	May 22 00:29
schestowitz__	A lot has been changed (revised) in wikileaks history as the press went along. There is still an attempt to paint Snowden leaks as espionage by Russia, too.	May 22 00:29
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469339055377743872	May 22 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz my question is did @CNETNews over exaggerate story? I just logged into #ebay, nowhere do they ask me to change my password :/		May 22 00:50
schestowitz__	maybe not yet	May 22 00:50
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469339527165665280	May 22 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: RT @schestowitz: What's going on with Foresight Linux? http://t.co/mgQ1hQyUoO - #foresight & red hat? I remember doing packages rpath style		May 22 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> forums.scotsnewsletter.com \| What's going on with Foresight Linux? - Bruno's All Things Linux - Scot's Newsletter Forums		May 22 00:52
schestowitz__	I haven't heard of rPath for years, I think they detached themselves from Red Hat	May 22 00:53
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469340488256876544	May 22 00:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz they did that years ago, when I tried to get a job with them actually. the stayed with the rhel stable releases, that's all		May 22 00:59
schestowitz__	I think, IIRC, that they were getting cosy with Novell/SUSE at one point	May 22 00:59
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/469342029873311745	May 22 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixternal: @schestowitz yeah, but nothing happened because of that. coziness was nothing more than rumor than		May 22 01:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blue Pup Distro: Pride of the Puppy Linux	May 22 01:10
TweetTuxMachines	Litter http://t.co/y15koOlML0	May 22 01:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Blue Pup Distro: Pride of the Puppy Linux Litter \| Tux Machines		May 22 01:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tehnoetic wireless USB adapter now	May 22 01:10
TweetTuxMachines	FSF-certified to respect your freedom	May 22 01:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lsfcXo8JNn	May 22 01:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Renesas to Advance Embedded Open Source OS for	May 22 01:10
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Foundation http://t.co/U3LFlWkWm1	May 22 01:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Silent Circle secures $30 million in funding to	May 22 02:53
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/n8uTn2nB2S	May 22 02:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Silent Circle secures $30 million in funding to expand Blackphone production \| Tux Machines		May 22 02:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue Pup	May 22 02:53
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/tehowe/status/469371787453931520	May 22 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tehowe: RT @schestowitz: Todd giving info to Huawei, dead. Hastings preparing expose about CIA director, dead. Kelly challenging MI5 lies, dead ...		May 22 02:59
schestowitz__	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/05/20/greenwald-washington-post-suppressed-foreign-countries-under-nsa-eavesdropping-program/	May 22 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Greenwald: Washington Post ‘suppressed’ foreign countries under NSA eavesdropping program [ http://ur1.ca/hcz73 ]		May 22 03:14
MinceR	geekings	May 22 03:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue Pup	May 22 03:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2YV2yViVI1	May 22 03:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Witch Hunts, KDE's Gamble, and Blue Pup \| Tux Machines		May 22 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A settlement between Apple and Samsung may be	May 22 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	on the horizon http://t.co/g25p9fS173	May 22 04:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A settlement between Apple and Samsung may be on the horizon \| Tux Machines		May 22 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Akregator - Get your daily Linux fix using the	May 22 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	premier KDE RSS Feed Reader	May 22 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QMqMaT9JLH	May 22 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hczg5	May 22 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Akregator - Get your daily Linux fix using the premier KDE RSS Feed Reader \| Tux Machines		May 22 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenChrome: There's Apparently Not Much Left	May 22 04:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FPSHD1NeZn	May 22 04:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenChrome: There's Apparently Not Much Left \| Tux Machines		May 22 04:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Other Ways To Optimize Your Linux Battery Life	May 22 04:03
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schestowitz__	http://www.ecnmag.com/news/2014/05/illinois-receives-21-million-nsa-help-advance-security-cyber-systems\	May 22 04:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ecnmag.com \| News \| Electronic Component News [ http://ur1.ca/hczif ]		May 22 04:16
schestowitz__	http://www.ecnmag.com/news/2014/05/illinois-receives-21-million-nsa-help-advance-security-cyber-systems	May 22 04:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ecnmag.com \| Illinois receives $2.1 million from NSA to help advance security of cyber systems [ http://ur1.ca/hczig ]		May 22 04:16
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4126474	May 22 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Android-x86 4.4-RC2 (KitKat-x86) http://www.android-x86.org/releases/releasenote-4-4-rc2		May 22 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.android-x86.org \| ReleaseNote 4.4-RC2 - Android-x86 - Porting Android to x86 [ http://ur1.ca/hczl1 ]		May 22 04:37
schestowitz__	"Thanks for the post. Going to update now."	May 22 04:37
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4127026	May 22 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux: Best desktop distros for newbies http://www.networkworld.com/slideshow/153439/linux-best-desktop-distros-for-newbies.html #gnu #linux		May 22 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.networkworld.com \| Linux: Best desktop distros for newbies - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/hczlh ]		May 22 04:39
schestowitz__	"Why are there some distro's in that list that are not for newbs? Where is Zorin OS? Trisquel is indeed a very nice distro although I kinda miss the root-account."	May 22 04:39
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4129010	May 22 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When the probability of one's desire to live vastly greater than another person's willingness to kill one, serious probes needed.		May 22 04:39
schestowitz__	"This sentence appears to me as a mal-formed formula. Kindly rephrase…."	May 22 04:39
schestowitz__	if someone is wanted as "dead" by many and not by oneself, then it's likely that the death is not suicide	May 22 04:40
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4129089	May 22 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Assassination of "white" people in #drone strikes not new. #nz and #asutralia recently confirmed this. Scope is expanding.		May 22 04:40
schestowitz__	"Link?"	May 22 04:40
schestowitz__	http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/04/22/an-australian-killed-to-the-studied-indifference-of-his-government/	May 22 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crikey.com.au \| Drone killing of Christopher Harvard in Yemen \| Crikey [ http://ur1.ca/hczlp ]		May 22 04:41
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4129010	May 22 04:45
schestowitz__	"Oh. A propos of what, exactly ?"	May 22 04:45
schestowitz__	http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20140522_U_S__sends_80_U_S_troops_to_Chad_seeking_abducted_girls.html	May 22 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.philly.com \| U.S. sends troops to Chad in hunt for Nigerian girls [ http://ur1.ca/hczth ]		May 22 05:36
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/msgbi/status/469417869076602880	May 22 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@msgbi: @schestowitz @TeraEuro dro		May 22 06:07
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/RobDuncan2000/status/469416022156382208	May 22 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RobDuncan2000: @schestowitz @ioerror Thats No way to run a business. Dont ya know?		May 22 06:07
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/RobDuncan2000/status/469415858314280960	May 22 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RobDuncan2000: @schestowitz @ioerror Hey now. Hey, hey, hey... Ya trying to ruin the bankster war debt profit plan by letting terrorist supply run low? Eh?		May 22 06:07
Sosumi	and thai military just just couped the government	May 22 06:14
Sosumi	but for the folks that think that was good	May 22 06:15
Sosumi	well	May 22 06:15
Sosumi	military rule usually is worse than civilian rule	May 22 06:15
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469425779181625344 https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469425871976431616 https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/469426323275120641	May 22 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: [cf MEK] RT @schestowitz: Obama et al.: we don't negotiate with terrorists, we invite them to our house http://t.co/Ob06BHTZg9		May 22 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.newsweek.com \|		May 22 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz: #cia staff angry at #whitehouse for putting an end to fake #polio vaccinations http://t.co/15HSKhQgin		May 22 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.abc.net.au \| The World Today - Fmr CIA spy criticises US policy to ban use of vaccination programs as cover for spy operations 21/05/2014		May 22 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz: Too much media attention? #cia calls off shipment of 70,000 assault rifles to terrorists in #syria http://t.co/xUhfxSLhTp		May 22 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.worldtribune.com \| Report: CIA blocked U.S. group's effort to arm Syrian rebels - World Tribune \| World Tribune		May 22 06:38
Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/ebay-buryies-its-own-advisory-to-change-passwords-following-database-hack/	May 22 06:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| eBay buries its own advisory to change passwords following database hack \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hd069 ]		May 22 06:48
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/juan_ma56/status/469431950621814784	May 22 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@juan_ma56: @schestowitz @masterv_12 Quite natural a revolting door between CIA & one of its mediatic cheerlearders for NATO's "Humanitarian Wars"		May 22 07:00
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/469431792735244288]	May 22 07:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Users Can Now Play Windows Games on Steam	May 22 07:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDBUS Is Still Outstanding, Not Part Of The	May 22 07:44
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4130025	May 22 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Akregator - Get your daily Linux fix using the premier KDE RSS Feed Reader http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/05/akregator-get-your-daily-linux-fix.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+everydaylinuxuser%2FWLlg+%28Everyday+Linux+User%29		May 22 11:07
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schestowitz__	"It's a shame the "premier KDE RSS Feed Reader" wasn't that good last time I checked. Personally I'd recommend either Tiny Tiny RSS or Newsblur (both FOSS, web based and more featured)"	May 22 11:07
abeNd-org	most people i know that were shoved off the google reader ship swam over to feedly	May 22 11:09
MinceR	:>	May 22 11:09
MinceR	i'm using liferea and designing my own (locally hosted) feed reader :>	May 22 11:10
abeNd-org	yea, i dont have the time/resources/friendly isp to host my own	May 22 11:11
MinceR	i mean, it would be a webapp hosted on the client machine where the web browser that's using it runs :>	May 22 11:14
MinceR	then again, if i seriously move to dillo (or another lightweight browser), i might add a non-webapp option	May 22 11:15
abeNd-org	i already have enough going on with my work laptop	May 22 11:15
abeNd-org	plus i like having the mobile apps on my devices when my laptop isnt around	May 22 11:15
MinceR	:)	May 22 11:15
MinceR	i could connect from the tablet to the laptop :>	May 22 11:16
abeNd-org	my laptop isnt always out & turned on, sometimes its sitting in my bag	May 22 11:17
MinceR	well, a rooted tablet could run the server itself	May 22 11:18
MinceR	though that might not be the best of ideas	May 22 11:18
MinceR	i'm not sure how well the eMMC or microSD card would handle that many writes	May 22 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RawTherapee 4.1 Is a Complex and Free	May 22 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	Alternative to Adobe's Lightroom	May 22 11:30
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abeNd-org	MinceR: yea, ill stick with feedly, too much of a royal pita to maintain & keep running my own personal rss server	May 22 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here is the first preview of KDE’s Plasma Next	May 22 12:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Abnormally Long Linux 3.15-rc6 Kernel	May 22 12:49
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DaemonFC	msb_, So I've started drinking water from those vending machines after the "there's shit in your water but we didn't tell you for a week" ordeal.	May 22 14:21
DaemonFC	The reverse osmosis, carbon filter, UV sterilization system...	May 22 14:22
msb_	Maybe that's what made you sick.	May 22 14:22
msb_	You can get a water distiller for $160, which distills a gallon of water in about 4 hours at a cost of about 40 cents for electricity. Takes out everything. ans sterilizes too.	May 22 14:23
msb_	ans -> and	May 22 14:24
msb_	Also takes out fluoride, which is very toxic.	May 22 14:25
DaemonFC	msb_, I'd assume that the reverse osmosis system removes most of the fluoride anyway.	May 22 14:30
DaemonFC	According to my total dissolved solids readings, the tap water here rates about 400 on most of the samples I've taken.	May 22 14:31
DaemonFC	The stuff out of the water vending machine at Walmart scored 17, Kroger North was 15, Kroger South was 29.	May 22 14:31
DaemonFC	So, reverse osmosis does a pretty good job, it seems.	May 22 14:31
msb_	DaemonFC: Hard to say. If the RO membrane has a pinhole, all bets are off. But the distiller is under your control and takes out everything.	May 22 14:32
DaemonFC	Those are very effective filters, and they last for years. They backflush themselves to get rid of the crap they filtered out, so they're self-cleaning for the most part.	May 22 14:32
DaemonFC	They probably only need to replace the filter about every year or so....	May 22 14:33
DaemonFC	(commercial vending machine, lots of use)	May 22 14:33
DaemonFC	Well, I'll just keep using the vending machine at Walmart or Kroger North.	May 22 14:33
msb_	Like the weird surgeon said, "Suture self." I prefer not to trust corporations.	May 22 14:33
DaemonFC	It seems to get rid of a little over 95% of the total dissolved solids.	May 22 14:34
DaemonFC	That's not bad.	May 22 14:34
DaemonFC	That can be anything though, really.	May 22 14:34
DaemonFC	Mostly calcium, dirt, and rust and maybe a little lead from old decaying water pipes.	May 22 14:35
msb_	Fluoride is a very small molecule (single atom ion, really), so hard to get rid of.	May 22 14:35
DaemonFC	The last time the city did a major overhaul of the water delivery system here was in the 1970s.	May 22 14:35
DaemonFC	So it's probably not looking too good.	May 22 14:35
msb_	I shower in tapwater, but I sure wouldn't drink it.	May 22 14:36
msb_	The distiller has no membranes to trust.	May 22 14:36
DaemonFC	My city doesn't fluoridate. There's so much farm runoff that the water has more than the government requires.	May 22 14:37
msb_	You just clean the scale out of the boiler once a week.	May 22 14:37
DaemonFC	Saves them about $50,000 a year.	May 22 14:37
msb_	Wonderful. Lowers everyone's IQ and makes them obedient.	May 22 14:38
DaemonFC	Factory farms are basically allowed to cause as much environmental damage as they want in Indiana.	May 22 14:38
MinceR	abeNd-org: indeed.	May 22 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Receives Security Updates from Debian	May 22 14:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fyOGCjVQFQ	May 22 14:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Windows OS 'replaceable' by Chinese	May 22 14:40
TweetTuxMachines	counterparts http://t.co/BAc8zFe8y5	May 22 14:40
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Sosumi	thai constitution suspended now	May 22 14:46
Sosumi	as for crapple, they can't even implement the system clock right	May 22 14:47
Sosumi	with trashcan users saying their machines are always 2 min forward in time	May 22 14:47
msb_	I still want to find the pix of the naked guy writhing with the trashcan in bed!	May 22 14:49
DaemonFC	Apple alone avoids paying $2.8 billion in federal taxes alone each year, not counting state taxes. Their headquarters is in California, but they avoid California taxes by registering a small office in Nevada as their "official headquarters". With this money, they stash it in Luxembourg, a tax haven, where they use it to buy US government debt, which pays them interest on the taxes they avoided. It's estimated that Apple now owns over $100 bi	May 22 15:34
DaemonFC	llion of interest-bearing US government debt. About 10% as much as the government of China. Apple's CEO, Tim Cook, said that "It's no Apple's problem to fix America's problems", and of course he was referring to the unpaid taxes and all of the jobs that Apple outsourced to third world countries. Apple shut down their last plant building Mac computers in 2002. The jobs paid over $12 an hour in 2002 dollars. They recently brought a few back to	May 22 15:34
DaemonFC	assemble their $10,000 Mac Pros. The jobs pay about $9. When you buy an iPhone, only 6% of the money stays in the US. It creates very few jobs in the US, and most of them are lousy jobs. Most of the jobs created are high tech jobs in Europe (largely Germany), which fund advanced college education for their citizens as a social benefit, and assembly operations in China. Apple is one of the most socially irresponsible companies in tech. Their	May 22 15:34
DaemonFC	assembly factories in China usually have several workers committing suicide every day to escape 70+ hour work weeks with unpaid overtime, where the company docks most of their pay for bad food and lice-infested overcrowded dorms. Apple was also a pioneer in convincing people that they don't need freedom if they call the computer a phone. Apple devices don't allow the user the freedom to install non-Apple approved software. This allows price	May 22 15:34
DaemonFC	fixing, censorship, digital restrictions management, and other forms of anti-customer abuse. The Department of Justice tried investigating this, but Apple paid off politicians like Obama, and the investigation is basically going nowhere now, just like what happened in US v. Microsoft. https://stallman.org/apple	May 22 15:34
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DaemonFC	Posted that to Facebook....	May 22 15:34
Sosumi	msb_, that was probably the most disgusting I've ever seen on the internet	May 22 15:47
Sosumi	*thing	May 22 15:48
Sosumi	so lets keep it buried	May 22 15:48
msb_	Sosumi: A. You must lead a very sheltered life. B. It was a disgusting thing done by Apple, so it should not be buried.	May 22 15:49
DaemonFC	msb_, The figures I see suggest that reverse osmosis gets out 65-90% of the fluoride from water.	May 22 15:50
DaemonFC	That's certainly an improvement.	May 22 15:50
DaemonFC	It depends on the actual filter though.	May 22 15:50
cubezzz	msb_, I got unix version 1 running	May 22 15:51
msb_	And distillation gets out 100%	May 22 15:51
Sosumi	not done by apple	May 22 15:51
DaemonFC	The levels in a lot of areas are much higher than the CDC recommends.	May 22 15:51
Sosumi	but by a mactard	May 22 15:51
msb_	cubezzz: Wow, on what?	May 22 15:51
cubezzz	PDP-11/20 of course	May 22 15:51
cubezzz	alas, it's merely emulated, but it runs	May 22 15:52
DaemonFC	msb_, Won't hard water cause scale problems in a distillation unit?	May 22 15:52
cubezzz	PDP-11/20 with 32K and a 2.5 meg hard drive	May 22 15:53
msb_	DaemonFC: After every batch, you wipe out the boiler with paper towels. Once a week, you put in 1/4 inch of water with a couple tablespoons of vitamin C and carefully let it boil as you swirl it until the scale is dissolved, then unplug it and rinse/wipe it out. Takes about 5-10 minutes.	May 22 15:55
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/pdp-11-20.jpg	May 22 15:55
msb_	cubezzz: That is Damn Small Unix!	May 22 15:55
msb_	cubezzz: What's the emulator running on?	May 22 15:59
cubezzz	vector linux	May 22 15:59
cubezzz	looks like someone found roff for unix v1	May 22 16:06
cubezzz	some web pages say it was lost	May 22 16:06
cubezzz	so it's using 694 blocks out of 3380	May 22 16:07
cubezzz	I've under-estimated what early unix can do	May 22 16:08
DaemonFC	msb_, I can buy water from the vending machine for 37 cents a gallon, and it only takes about 20 seconds to fill each bottle.	May 22 16:09
msb_	So you are trusting not only the corporation, but the pimple-face kid they are paying $4.50/hour to follow their instructions.	May 22 16:10
DaemonFC	$4.50 an hour?	May 22 16:10
DaemonFC	Huh?	May 22 16:10
msb_	Not that much, eh?	May 22 16:11
DaemonFC	That's below the minimum wage.	May 22 16:11
abeNd-org	why should you get paid anyways?	May 22 16:13
abeNd-org	companies should just stop paying everyone	May 22 16:13
DaemonFC	Let what's left of the economy fall apart?	May 22 16:14
cubezzz	go back to barter system :)	May 22 16:14
DaemonFC	$7.25 an hour isn't enough to live on in the cheapest part of the United States, even if you get full time hours.	May 22 16:14
abeNd-org	no no, do what the democrats really want - everything is free	May 22 16:14
DaemonFC	abeNd-org, Well, the very rich want the system we had in the 1920s.	May 22 16:15
DaemonFC	And they've finally almost gotten us there.	May 22 16:15
abeNd-org	financial collapse?	May 22 16:15
DaemonFC	For everyone but themselves, sure.	May 22 16:15
DaemonFC	They caused the collapse intentionally.	May 22 16:15
abeNd-org	well great, then they can pay for everything	May 22 16:16
DaemonFC	They knew exactly how to make money and get their own money out before it all fell over.	May 22 16:16
DaemonFC	Just like they've done several times since then.	May 22 16:16
abeNd-org	sure, if they want this that to happen, what do they actually get out of it?	May 22 16:16
abeNd-org	richer yes, but everyone else out of work & dirt poor doesnt get them paid to buy goods to get the rich richer	May 22 16:17
cubezzz	you still need workers to maintain stuff	May 22 16:17
cubezzz	that never changes	May 22 16:17
abeNd-org	their nice mansions wont maintain themselves, even with a robot servant force	May 22 16:18
cubezzz	so anyways, the PDP-11/20 had the same amount of memory as a commodore 64	May 22 16:24
cubezzz	32,768 16-bit words or 65,536 8-bit bytes	May 22 16:24
cubezzz	no bad for 1972!	May 22 16:25
cubezzz	not	May 22 16:25
DaemonFC	abeNd-org, What we have here is basically a rent extraction system.	May 22 16:30
DaemonFC	The rich are parasites on working people.	May 22 16:31
DaemonFC	Bankers, landlords, payday loan companies, subprime car loans....	May 22 16:31
DaemonFC	check cashing services	May 22 16:31
DaemonFC	They're all enabled by bad employers like Walmart that pay, you know, about $8 an hour.	May 22 16:31
DaemonFC	And people work there as they get poorer and poorer. These people have way less than nothing.	May 22 16:32
DaemonFC	The alternative is stop working and starve immediately.	May 22 16:32
DaemonFC	Thanks to engineered high unemployment, people are coerced into working bad jobs that don't pay the bills.	May 22 16:32
DaemonFC	The employer basically gets labor that costs next to nothing, where the employee and taxpayers are covering the cost of their labor.	May 22 16:33
DaemonFC	To reverse this system, the minimum wage must increase, and it must be indexed to inflation.	May 22 16:33
DaemonFC	Some state and local governments are starting to realize that the federal minimum wage is making their state economies and tax revenues get scary-bad, and they're taking action themselves.	May 22 16:34
abeNd-org	right, but the people would eventually get the point where they have absolutely nothing	May 22 16:48
abeNd-org	and thats when they riot & kill the rich	May 22 16:48
amarsh04	that's what happens in Australia DaemonFC... schestowitz has reported on the minimum wage in Australia before	May 22 16:50
schestowitz__	it's not too bad in the UJ	May 22 16:54
schestowitz__	UK	May 22 16:54
schestowitz__	But there's a snag	May 22 16:54
schestowitz__	some get zero-hour contracts	May 22 16:54
schestowitz__	so even at minimum rate for hour they're not guaranteed minimum income	May 22 16:54
schestowitz__	and can be counted as "employed" nonetheless	May 22 16:55
schestowitz__	abeNd-org: correct, and that's why the rich are afraid and keep insecurity high, but not TOO high	May 22 16:56
schestowitz__	balancing what they can get away with (giving least capital to the bottom) without leading to starvation	May 22 16:56
schestowitz__	race to the bottom	May 22 16:56
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amarsh04	4 hour minimum on my award	May 22 17:13
DaemonFC	schestowitz, That's how most employment is in the US anyway.	May 22 17:20
DaemonFC	I know lots of people who work for $7.25 an hour and don't know how many hours they'll get each week.	May 22 17:20
DaemonFC	A friend of mine just told me that his check this week won't even cover his rent and that he's considering killing himself.	May 22 17:21
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DaemonFC	msb_, Well, I have a hard time buying the water fluoridation as a public health benefit story.	May 22 17:22
DaemonFC	The government in the US doesn't do anything it doesn't have to for the poor.	May 22 17:23
MinceR	i have a hard time buying water fluoridation as a conspiracy theory story :>	May 22 17:23
DaemonFC	And if fluoridation is so good for your teeth, then why do many people my age have rotting/disgusting/missing teeth?	May 22 17:23
DaemonFC	MinceR, It's a byproduct of the aluminum and fertilizer industries.	May 22 17:24
MinceR	still, i think putting fluoride in toothpaste is a far better delivery method	May 22 17:24
MinceR	DaemonFC: that sounds more credible indeed.	May 22 17:24
DaemonFC	They convinced the public that it could be dumped in the water to help your teeth so that they could get rid of it.	May 22 17:24
msb_	It was known that the Nazis had put fluoride in the prison water in WW2.	May 22 17:24
DaemonFC	Instead of having to pay someone to dispose of it somewhere, they get taxpayers to pay them for their waste, so it can be dumped into the water.	May 22 17:25
DaemonFC	And it's not the same fluoride that's in your toothpaste.	May 22 17:25
DaemonFC	The shit they dump in the water is Hexafluorosilicic acid, not sodium fluoride, in most places.	May 22 17:25
DaemonFC	The government can get hexafluorosilicic acid much cheaper, so that's what they tend to use.	May 22 17:26
MinceR	it is also known that hitler consumed DHMO.	May 22 17:27
MinceR	DaemonFC: i see.	May 22 17:27
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DaemonFC	MinceR, And like I said, Indiana is so contaminated that most communities don't have to add more.	May 22 17:28
DaemonFC	There's so much contamination that it gets them above the level that the law requires.	May 22 17:28
MinceR	elmex uses amine fluride, which they say is better :>	May 22 17:28
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MinceR	DaemonFC: how well known/proven is it that the fluoride level in water is high due to industrial contamination, as opposed to natural (mineral?) sources?	May 22 17:29
DaemonFC	msb_, Well, I think part of the reason that tap water is so disgusting is because of the bottled water companies.	May 22 17:29
DaemonFC	They said it was their goal all along to make tap water something you just flush the toilet and do your dishes with.	May 22 17:30
MinceR	:>	May 22 17:30
DaemonFC	They don't want it to be fit for drinking, else they can't sell you theirs.	May 22 17:30
DaemonFC	MinceR, When I get my water report from the city each year, they say they don't have to add fluoride because there's so much from fertilizer runoff in the water aquifer supplying our area anyway.	May 22 17:30
MinceR	ic	May 22 17:31
DaemonFC	There's a copy of it on the city website.	May 22 17:31
DaemonFC	http://www.huntington.in.us/egov/apps/document/center.egov?path=doc&id=2316&id2=2118&linked=0&fDD=31-104	May 22 17:31
DaemonFC	MinceR, Plus, the total dissolved solids level is pretty high, by tap water standards.	May 22 17:33
msb_	So if you think Hitler was concerned with the prisoners dental health, then you can believe the same about your govt.	May 22 17:33
DaemonFC	Lots of lime, mostly.	May 22 17:33
DaemonFC	msb_, Well, the Nazis weren't concerned about the dental health of their Jewish prisoners.	May 22 17:34
DaemonFC	They were ripping their teeth out to get their gold fillings before they gassed them to death.	May 22 17:34
MinceR	my government is emulating hitler but afaik they aren't fluoridating the tap water yet	May 22 17:34
DaemonFC	MinceR, Maybe Hungaristan doesn't have the kind of heavy industry that produces the shit.	May 22 17:34
MinceR	indeed	May 22 17:35
DaemonFC	So, they'd have to buy it from somewhere.	May 22 17:35
msb_	So why did hitler put in the fluoride?	May 22 17:35
MinceR	hungaristan doesn't have much in the way of heavy industry to speak of	May 22 17:35
DaemonFC	MinceR, It sounds like one of those European states where the main industry is printing money.	May 22 17:35
MinceR	the commies made sure pretty much none of the hungarian industry remained competitive, and then it was mostly shut down during the republic.	May 22 17:35
MinceR	:>	May 22 17:36
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DaemonFC	MinceR, The United States has a LOT of manufacturing left.	May 22 17:36
DaemonFC	Despite the outsourcing.	May 22 17:36
MinceR	they'll need it too, if they continue degrading their education :>	May 22 17:36
DaemonFC	The outsourcing mostly got rid of what couldn't be highly automated, and therefore required a lot of menial labor.	May 22 17:36
DaemonFC	Actually, it's getting to the point where you need some college or vocational training to get an entry level manufacturing job.	May 22 17:37
DaemonFC	But, the state and federal governments are not investing in American students.	May 22 17:37
DaemonFC	They're spending all this time and money bringing in foreigners and giving them highly valued skills, so that they can go back to where they came from and compete with Americans for skilled jobs.	May 22 17:38
DaemonFC	And while they're here, OUR government is spending OUR money to give them free shit.	May 22 17:38
DaemonFC	food stamps	May 22 17:39
DaemonFC	public housing	May 22 17:39
DaemonFC	education subsidies	May 22 17:39
DaemonFC	MinceR, It hasn't gotten as bad as the UK though.	May 22 17:39
DaemonFC	If schestowitz started talking bad about the invasion, his government would arrest him for being impolite or something	May 22 17:39
DaemonFC	But while all this shit is going on, I know plenty of Americans who can't get help with college and end up working dead end service jobs and can't even pay their fucking rent.	May 22 17:40
DaemonFC	That's why I said that half of Congress needs to be in prison, and the other half should be shot.	May 22 17:41
DaemonFC	If our government was worried about us, it would be taking care of American citizens first.	May 22 17:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Chrome's PDF Rendering Engine Released	May 22 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	as Open Source http://t.co/ckkyH77Ngu	May 22 17:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pale Moon: Firefox Without DRM, Interface	May 22 17:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Updated Fedora 20 KDE Stack: Something's Funky	May 22 17:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rugged Android 4.0 handheld does NFC	May 22 17:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Easing Linux Into the Enterprise	May 22 17:42
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DaemonFC	MinceR, There are some unskilled factory and warehouse jobs left.	May 22 17:42
DaemonFC	They don't pay what they used to.	May 22 17:42
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DaemonFC	You know, the stuff that left in 2006-2007 paid $14 an hour, and the same kind of jobs now pay $9-10.	May 22 17:43
DaemonFC	And the money is worth far less, so there's that too.	May 22 17:43
DaemonFC	It's got to be some kind of experiment to see how much shit people will take before they revolt, but they're ready for that too.	May 22 17:43
DaemonFC	If it happens, most of them will just get shot.	May 22 17:43
cubezzz	yes, it happened to Hostess' Bakeries	May 22 17:44
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cubezzz	they downsized and reduced wages	May 22 17:44
DaemonFC	Yeah, they were bought out by a hedge fund that destroyed the union and pocketed the extra profits.	May 22 17:44
DaemonFC	And they have people defending that.	May 22 17:45
DaemonFC	"Those people didn't deserve their paycheck!"	May 22 17:45
DaemonFC	Ridiculous.	May 22 17:45
DaemonFC	Everyone that works deserves to be paid.	May 22 17:45
cubezzz	certainly	May 22 17:45
DaemonFC	The fact that they have working people attacking other working people now just shows how good they are at brainwashing.	May 22 17:45
MinceR	i don't agree with that	May 22 17:45
MinceR	i've seen plenty of software the makers of which don't deserve to be paid for their "work"	May 22 17:46
cubezzz	that's forced down people's throats	May 22 17:46
cubezzz	you have to be fairly savvy to avoid it	May 22 17:47
DaemonFC	Well, it's just a job for a lot of them.	May 22 17:47
MinceR	yeah, a job that they do horribly badly	May 22 17:47
DaemonFC	I don't think that Microsoft treats most of their employees very well.	May 22 17:47
cubezzz	well, you can decide whether or not to pay for windows or twinkies :)	May 22 17:47
DaemonFC	I've heard that it's basically a three tiered system there.	May 22 17:47
cubezzz	there is a choice	May 22 17:47
cubezzz	personally, I said no to both :)	May 22 17:47
DaemonFC	There's management and a few senior employees that get good pay and benefits.	May 22 17:47
MinceR	yeah, you can decide whether to pay for windows or not to buy a pc to which it is tied	May 22 17:47
MinceR	you don't really need a computer, do you? :>	May 22 17:48
DaemonFC	Most are just contractors/temps.	May 22 17:48
DaemonFC	They don't get much of anything, really.	May 22 17:48
cubezzz	MinceR, come on, you know you can buy parts and assemble a PC	May 22 17:48
MinceR	not a laptop, though	May 22 17:48
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cubezzz	chromebook?	May 22 17:48
DaemonFC	I got a C720D chromebook for $145.	May 22 17:49
cubezzz	I mean, sure the situation is not ideal, but it's not impossible to get a laptop with linux on it	May 22 17:49
MinceR	in any case, the choices are reduced to a tiny fraction of the market	May 22 17:49
cubezzz	buy a laptop with no hard drive for example...	May 22 17:49
MinceR	usually with low-end specs	May 22 17:49
cubezzz	true	May 22 17:50
MinceR	they don't sell laptops with no HDD/SSD here	May 22 17:50
cubezzz	I realize it's not a perfect solution, but you can buy used laptops without a hard drive	May 22 17:50
cubezzz	many many places will sell them like that, as it's a security issue	May 22 17:51
cubezzz	computers owned by governments or hospitals or emergency workers	May 22 17:51
cubezzz	used panasonic toughbooks are very common	May 22 17:52
cubezzz	new stuff, I agree, very hard to find pre-loaded with Linux or non-windows	May 22 17:52
MinceR	gn	May 22 18:02
cubezzz	I can definitely remember many white box pc builders in the late 80's	May 22 18:02
cubezzz	and they wouldn't charge anything for software	May 22 18:02
cubezzz	they just loaded up your hard drive with copies of stuff	May 22 18:02
cubezzz	nowadays, I don't see the small PC builder as much	May 22 18:03
cubezzz	but there is a massive used market now	May 22 18:03
cubezzz	almost every computer retailer is selling refurbished machines	May 22 18:04
cubezzz	you can get used quad core boxes now	May 22 18:04
DaemonFC	I commented on Facebook:	May 22 19:11
DaemonFC	School lunch debt. America has to be the only developed nation where children can be in debt for heavily processed agricultural surplus that is foisted on them by the government.	May 22 19:11
DaemonFC	msb_, Another reason to drink distilled or reverse osmosis filtered water is the shit that hard water leaves on your teeth.	May 22 19:13
DaemonFC	That's why you have to go to the dentist every six months to get your teeth cleaned. Without that hard water, once a year is fine.	May 22 19:14
DaemonFC	That crap gets into your body and ends up in your saliva, and so you start getting deposits on your teeth.	May 22 19:14
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magneeto	hi guys	May 22 19:16
magneeto	I just switched to this ubuntu mother fucker and im told its not free enough	May 22 19:45
magneeto	what distro do I need to use to rid myself of evil	May 22 19:45
msb_	DaemonFC: Interesting! I didn't know that.	May 22 19:51
msb_	magneeto: What were you using before?	May 22 19:51
msb_	magneeto: I'm not sure you can rid yourself of evil. Unix and Linux are full of demons: http://www.freebsd.org/	May 22 20:02
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msb_	Of course, microsoft and apple are much worse.	May 22 20:03
msb_	Perhaps Debian GNU/Linux is blessed by Saint IGNUcius himself: https://stallman.org/saint.html https://stallman.org/saintignucius.jpg	May 22 20:10
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cubezzz	here's what FSF recommends:	May 22 20:18
cubezzz	http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html	May 22 20:18
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cubezzz	trisquel is geared more to education	May 22 20:19
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DaemonFC	Debian isn't recommended because it does offer some nonfree software.	May 22 21:07
DaemonFC	The FSF's guidelines say that they won't endorse a distribution that provides it in such a way that it makes it seem like it's recommended.	May 22 21:07
DaemonFC	So, if Debian stopped packaging it, but someone else provided it unofficially, then that would make Debian eligible for an endorsement.	May 22 21:08
DaemonFC	The key difference being is whether the distribution seems to suggest installing it or not.	May 22 21:08
DaemonFC	There's no requirement that it actively prevents you from installing nonfree software.	May 22 21:08
DaemonFC	Fedora doesn't qualify, but it is more free than Debian in the way the FSF has chosen to define it.	May 22 21:09
DaemonFC	Fedora doesn't package nonfree software, but it does include some device firmware that comes with the Linux kernel, which is under a binary-only redistributable license.	May 22 21:10
DaemonFC	They don't consider it to be software, because it doesn't run on the main CPU.	May 22 21:10
DaemonFC	Well, except for the CPU firmware, but that's not a big deal since your BIOS already loads nonfree firmware onto the CPU.	May 22 21:11
DaemonFC	All Fedora does is tell the CPU to unload the firmware that the BIOS downloaded onto it and replace it with more up-to-date firmware, which can fix processor bugs.	May 22 21:11
DaemonFC	The FSF has said that they wouldn't consider software running on these components to be software if it was burned into a ROM instead, which would effectively make it like a circuit.	May 22 21:12
DaemonFC	But, then you can never fix bugs.	May 22 21:12
DaemonFC	You'd end up with situations like the Pentium fdiv problem, where Intel had to recall the CPUs themselves.	May 22 21:13
DaemonFC	Although, sometimes it was possible to fix a CPU bug by putting a workaround in the operating system to prevent the CPU from entering a state where the bug would happen.	May 22 21:15
DaemonFC	The Cyrix Coma Bug is a good example of that.	May 22 21:16
DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_coma_bug	May 22 21:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/p5VENxhVAO	May 22 22:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Week in Techrights http://t.co/A4YVoy34GU	May 22 22:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoreOS Linux distro lands on the Google Cloud	May 22 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	Platform http://t.co/U7Ks8O9BKU	May 22 22:12
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DaemonFC	2 secs ·	May 23 00:30
DaemonFC	Someone that I was talking to about the satisfaction guaranteed rebates that I exploit said "Won't they catch on after a while?".	May 23 00:30
DaemonFC	I said "Oh, maybe, but I'll have hundreds of dollars worth of household consumables stockpiled by that point."	May 23 00:30
DaemonFC	Eagles may soar, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines.	May 23 00:30
DaemonFC	Besides, who was ever really 100% satisfied with anything when they got it home? I call bullshit on these people!	May 23 00:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PiCore 5.3 Linux is a 25MB operating system for	May 23 02:42
TweetTuxMachines	the Raspberry Pi http://t.co/H1QCxADiPc	May 23 02:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bacon Leaves Canonical, Red Hat Chief, and	May 23 02:42
TweetTuxMachines	Witcher 2 on Sale http://t.co/LO21gLsTBM	May 23 02:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qt Embedded GUI moves to Qt 5.3	May 23 03:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mZbJqY1827	May 23 03:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google’s Chromecast sells more than 100k units	May 23 03:30
TweetTuxMachines	in just 2 months in the UK	May 23 03:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CKBF4fMe1n	May 23 03:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tiny COM runs Linux on Atmel Cortex-A5 SoC	May 23 03:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 8 Things We Want from Amazon's Rumored	May 23 03:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Neo900 Phone Project Is Still Happening	May 23 03:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/p1inR7VDqK	May 23 03:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/469742080625881089	May 23 03:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LXLE: Yet Another Linux Distro Targeting Old	May 23 03:30
TweetTuxMachines	PCs http://t.co/HSo4mppEft	May 23 03:30
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MinceR	geekings	May 23 04:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Chief at Redhat Hit With Bogus	May 23 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	Copyright Claims http://t.co/fAXFuHQmQw	May 23 05:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Notable Penetration Test Linux distributions of	May 23 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	2014 http://t.co/0wp13KUD54	May 23 05:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DRM in Firefox is The End of Our Digital	May 23 05:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@go2n The KDE Daily News is out!	May 23 06:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FKH5s4xkDq Stories via @tuxmachines	May 23 06:57
TweetTuxMachines	@hallowdemonlive @girljennier	May 23 06:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should Linux be more like OS X?	May 23 06:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should Linux be more like OS X?	May 23 06:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DrMZrbEiBH	May 23 06:57
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Sosumi	http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g3_d855_has_a_removable_battery_and_microsd_slot-news-8596.php	May 23 08:01
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Sosumi	awesome	May 23 08:01
Sosumi	32GB flash and 3 GB ram	May 23 08:01
Sosumi	basically, a galaxy S5 killer	May 23 08:02
MinceR	even if the s5 wasn't region locked :>	May 23 08:02
Sosumi	well, that too	May 23 08:03
msb_	Black.Box.S01E05 is super wonderful!	May 23 08:06
msb_	Psychedelic	May 23 08:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Catalyst On Ubuntu 14.04 Linux Competes Well	May 23 08:11
TweetTuxMachines	With Windows 8.1 http://t.co/3zd81r9gJ5	May 23 08:11
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MinceR	141139 * TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Should Linux be more like OS X? http://t.co/DrMZrbEiBH'	May 23 08:12
MinceR	No. Next question!	May 23 08:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mark Shuttleworth Says That Ubuntu Is Now the	May 23 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	Biggest OS in the Cloud http://t.co/kqgCR4iZCr	May 23 09:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Using LVM’s new cache feature	May 23 09:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla: Publish and be DRM'd!	May 23 09:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Sirius are recruiting. We are looking for	May 23 12:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LXLE 14.04 Beta Wants to Be a Complete	May 23 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	Replacement for Windows XP and Windows 7	May 23 12:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android-x86 4.4 RC2 KitKat Is a Linux Distro	May 23 13:57
TweetTuxMachines	for PCs Based on the OS from Google	May 23 13:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP's $1bn 'Linux for the cloud' dream: Will	May 23 13:57
TweetTuxMachines	Helion float? http://t.co/FXO4XZmiBG	May 23 13:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam's In-Home Steaming Is a Wake-up Call for	May 23 13:57
TweetTuxMachines	Windows, Linux Is Growing Stronger	May 23 13:57
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DaemonFC	I was talking about all the video games coming to GNU/Linux on Facebook.	May 23 15:15
DaemonFC	Someone said that GNU/Linux is a small part of the "market", so I said....	May 23 15:15
DaemonFC	Enough people have moved from Windows to GNU/Linux that game developers are starting to notice. The people who made the first wave of migration to GNU/Linux on the desktop still represent a small share of total computer users, but we are also the most profitable users for video game companies, because we tend to be a technical bunch that know what we're doing.	May 23 15:16
DaemonFC	Valve noticed that many of their "Windows XP" users were actually running Steam for Windows in Wine (software) on GNU/Linux (Wine reports itself as Windows XP by default), so Valve ported Steam to GNU/Linux, along with a bunch of games.	May 23 15:16
DaemonFC	So, that explains why video game companies highly prize GNU/Linux users.	May 23 15:16
DaemonFC	It's like saying that a restaurant has a loyalty club that gives you a free meal every fifth time you go in there. Obviously, it benefits the people who eat there very often more than it benefits the people that hardly ever go in. So, you may only benefit 5-10% of your customers, but those are your highly loyal customers who represent 60% of your restaurant's profit.	May 23 15:16
DaemonFC	There's been two big migration events to GNU/Linux. The first wave was when Windows Vista came out and it was slow, unusable garbage, even on a brand new PC. It crashed all the time, and everyone thought it was so awful that many people exercised downgrade rights to XP, or bought a copy of XP and replaced Vista with it (thus paying for Windows twice!), or made the switch to GNU/Linux, even if their favorite apps weren't there, and just made	May 23 15:20
DaemonFC	the best of Wine because it was still less painful than Vista.	May 23 15:20
DaemonFC	And, that was the wave that I was in, where I got rid of Windows and just started using GNU/Linux basically all the time.	May 23 15:20
DaemonFC	Then Windows 7 settled everything down for a while because it fixed most of the horrible things about Vista, but now Windows 8 is causing the second migration because it's completely horrible again.	May 23 15:21
DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-bar	May 23 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Mini-bar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		May 23 15:22
DaemonFC	I remember some old movie where there were a bunch of drag queens in a hotel. They started drinking all of the "brown" colored mini bottles of liquor and then refilling them by brewing tea with the complimentary teabags.	May 23 15:23
DaemonFC	http://www.smarttravelasia.com/HotelTheft.htm	May 23 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smarttravelasia.com \| A fun, anecdotal article on what hotel guests steal from their rooms, we look at disappearing hangers, pillows, toiletries, towels, bathrobes and even televisions, by Philippa Young, illustration by Pat Leidl, and more from Smart Travel Asia and Dancing Wolf Media. [ http://ur1.ca/hd96q ]		May 23 15:26
DaemonFC	I remember that mom was talking about one of her childhood friend's rich parents.	May 23 15:26
DaemonFC	They would hoard ketchup packets, napkins, and straws that they got at McDonalds.	May 23 15:27
DaemonFC	They had a bunch of towels with hotel names on them.	May 23 15:27
DaemonFC	Rich people really are terrible. Millions of dollars in the bank, steals a towel and ketchup packets. WTF?	May 23 15:27
DaemonFC	She said that the guy used to sit there in the kitchen filling his ketchup bottles from the restaurant packets.	May 23 15:28
DaemonFC	It's like, "What are you doing with your life?".	May 23 15:28
DaemonFC	http://www.punny.org/money/stealing-restaurant-condiments-its-time-to-settle-an-age-old-debate/	May 23 15:30
DaemonFC	lol	May 23 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.punny.org \| Stealing Restaurant Condiments: It’s Time To Settle An Age-Old Debate \| Punny Money [ http://ur1.ca/hd98f ]		May 23 15:30
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/story/148869/the_shaving_racket_--_how_are_gillette_and_schick_getting_away_with_ripoff_razors	May 23 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| The Shaving Racket -- How Are Gillette and Schick Getting Away with Ripoff Razors? \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/hd9bn ]		May 23 15:37
DaemonFC	I didn't notice any real difference between five blade and three blade, other than the five blade costs twice as much.	May 23 15:37
DaemonFC	More really, because Gillette releases these $3 off coupons. That makes the Sensor 3 $1.98 for a 4 pack, but the Fusion disposables are still $8.98 for four.	May 23 15:38
DaemonFC	They put the picture of the expensive razors on the coupon, but it says "any Gillette men's razors", so they work on the Sensor 3's as well.	May 23 15:38
DaemonFC	I stock up whenever that coupon comes up again.	May 23 15:38
DaemonFC	And they won't admit it, but the "Simply Venus" three blade razors that are the same price as the Sensor 3, shave exactly the same.	May 23 15:39
DaemonFC	So if you run out of men's razor coupons and want more, use the "women's razor" coupons too.	May 23 15:40
Snowleaksange	heh both filling your own condiment bottles with free ketchup packets, and really devoted systematic coupon leveraging seems like episode of ultimate cheapskates	May 23 15:40
DaemonFC	Snowleaksange, I see people doing stupid shit all the time.	May 23 15:40
DaemonFC	For some reason, everyone I know buys $5.96 toothpaste.	May 23 15:40
DaemonFC	I buy the 88 cent toothpaste when I have no coupons, and I get it for free every once in a while because it goes on sale, and I have a matching coupon.	May 23 15:41
DaemonFC	Then they're all like "I have $3 in the bank and my car is on E!".	May 23 15:41
Snowleaksange	how many hours per month in coupon leveraging activity	May 23 15:42
DaemonFC	Well, when you go in there and pay 600% of what you have to for every little thing, that's what happens.	May 23 15:42
Snowleaksange	or week	May 23 15:42
DaemonFC	I don't know. It's right down the street and I do it when I'm bored.	May 23 15:42
DaemonFC	I've worked it out. Sometimes I make $7-8 an hour, sometimes I make $30-40. :P	May 23 15:42
Snowleaksange	seems like could make shopping take 2x as long easily	May 23 15:43
DaemonFC	Snowleaksange, Well, there are these blogs that tell you when and where to use your coupons, but Walmart price matches all of them.	May 23 15:43
Snowleaksange	maybe its still winning financially, but important to consider opportunity-cost (ie time spent)	May 23 15:43
DaemonFC	So, if a $5 bottle of shampoo goes on sale for $3 at Dollar General, and you have a $2 off coupon, then it will still be $1 a bottle at Walmart.	May 23 15:43
DaemonFC	So, that's how I stockpile things.	May 23 15:44
DaemonFC	I probably have a few years worth of everything, but it never expires, and my entire personal item budget is probably less than $1 a week.	May 23 15:44
Snowleaksange	have u ever seen the show ultimate cheapskates, you can watch episodes online	May 23 15:44
DaemonFC	Extreme Cheapskates?	May 23 15:44
DaemonFC	Yeah, but most of that is fraud	May 23 15:44
Snowleaksange	oh yeah maybe thats it	May 23 15:44
DaemonFC	like, fake coupons	May 23 15:45
DaemonFC	that's illegal	May 23 15:45
DaemonFC	I don't do anything illegal.	May 23 15:45
Snowleaksange	i didnt think they did either	May 23 15:45
DaemonFC	Oh yeah, that episode with the 16 year old boy that filled his parents garage with soap and toilet paper and laundry detergent and stuff.	May 23 15:45
DaemonFC	Like thousands of dollars worth.	May 23 15:45
Snowleaksange	lol	May 23 15:46
DaemonFC	They had him on an episode. He went and bought $500 worth of Quilted Northern toilet paper at the grocery store.	May 23 15:46
Snowleaksange	thats like what would happen if you turned evil	May 23 15:46
DaemonFC	The coupons wouldn't scan, but a manager overrode the computer because he figured it was legit because it was on a TV show.	May 23 15:46
DaemonFC	Then the manufacturer said the coupons were fake and wouldn't redeem them, so the store contacted the district attorney.	May 23 15:46
DaemonFC	The kid's mother ended up having to go into the store and pay hundreds of dollars.	May 23 15:46
MinceR	the extreme expensiveskate	May 23 15:47
Snowleaksange	you would personally bankrupt the local walmart with illegal coupon use and be first fake coupon peddler on FBIs most wanted list	May 23 15:47
DaemonFC	http://list25.com/the-25-biggest-ways-you-are-being-ripped-off/	May 23 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-list25.com \| 25 Biggest Ways You Are Being Ripped Off [ http://ur1.ca/hd9il ]		May 23 15:48
DaemonFC	The oil change ripoff reminds me of what Monro does.	May 23 15:48
DaemonFC	They have a $17.99 oil change coupon that you can use if it's Wednesday.	May 23 15:49
DaemonFC	But you get in there, and they add "fees" to it, and you pay closer to $30.	May 23 15:49
DaemonFC	Walmart is $26.88.	May 23 15:49
DaemonFC	But the shop that I go to all the time will do one for $20.	May 23 15:49
DaemonFC	So I go to Walmart for tires, but the local shop for an oil change.	May 23 15:50
Snowleaksange	going back to the oppotunity cost thing, the problem i have with using coupons is youre essentially saying to yourself, my time is not worth 1000$ an hour	May 23 15:50
Snowleaksange	maybe thats just realism but im not prepared to accept it	May 23 15:50
MinceR	+	May 23 15:51
Snowleaksange	1000$ a little much but what it its 20$	May 23 15:53
Snowleaksange	basically coupon leveraging is a job that pays a salary	May 23 15:54
Snowleaksange	how much $/hr is key q	May 23 15:54
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Snowleaksange	also that you dont know off top of your head leads me to guess your motivation might actaully related to experiencing the psychological state of "saving"	May 23 15:56
Snowleaksange	rather than quantitative cost normalized benefit	May 23 15:57
DaemonFC	No, I don't use them for anything I wouldn't otherwise buy.	May 23 15:58
DaemonFC	And there's a lot of times where the coupon makes no difference at all, because it's not high value enough to make a cheaper product less desirable.	May 23 15:58
Snowleaksange	so many sweet classes on coursera.org	May 23 16:01
Snowleaksange	im signing up for more	May 23 16:01
DaemonFC	OF course, you can get four three blade razors from Dollar Tree for $1, but they're no good.	May 23 16:01
Snowleaksange	lot of them exact same classes taught in expen$sive graduate program	May 23 16:01
Snowleaksange	for free. so thats a decent coupon	May 23 16:01
DaemonFC	I made that mistake once. The razors were all dull to start with.	May 23 16:02
DaemonFC	So, you save nothing if the product is unusable. :)	May 23 16:02
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MinceR	http://www.dailytech.com/Fiat+CEO+Dont+Buy+a+500e+EV+Youre+Costing+Me+14000+Each/article34951.htm	May 23 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailytech.com \| DailyTech - Fiat CEO: Don’t Buy a 500e EV, You’re Costing Me $14,000 Each		May 23 16:35
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, they wouldn't have to build the Ford Focus if they'd stop making gas guzzling SUVs that get 10 miles a gallon.	May 23 16:37
DaemonFC	Just saying....	May 23 16:37
MinceR	:>	May 23 16:38
MinceR	they don't have to build anything :>	May 23 16:38
DaemonFC	CAFE is Corporate AVERAGE Fuel Economy. When you have 10 mpg SUVs and the CAFE standard is 22.5 mpg, you have to make some Ford Focuses	May 23 16:38
MinceR	foci :>	May 23 16:38
DaemonFC	MinceR, If they improve their gas mileage on the SUVs, they won't have to make as many cheap little cars to compensate for that.	May 23 16:39
DaemonFC	The CAFE standard is going up because gas prices have gone up.	May 23 16:39
DaemonFC	The more gasoline you have to sell, the higher the price for a gallon of it is going to be.	May 23 16:40
DaemonFC	Limited supply meets heavy demand, and prices go up.	May 23 16:40
DaemonFC	So, when people drive a gas hog, they're costing everyone that drives anything more money.	May 23 16:40
DaemonFC	It's just basic economics.	May 23 16:40
DaemonFC	The SUV owners should be glad that there are people driving reasonable vehicles, or they'd be paying $6-7 a gallon for their SUVs.	May 23 16:41
DaemonFC	They've externalizing the cost of their SUV onto other people, and they're basically getting a huge subsidy.	May 23 16:41
DaemonFC	The downside of using less gas is that states are raising their gas taxes again, because the highway funds are drying up.	May 23 16:42
MinceR	it's a conspiracy!	May 23 16:42
abeNd-org	& adding toll roads to already existing roads....	May 23 16:42
DaemonFC	abeNd-org, Yeah, the third phase of the I-69 expansion is a "public private partnership".	May 23 16:44
abeNd-org	hah i69 - michigan?	May 23 16:44
DaemonFC	In other words, the state is making payments on it which are more expensive than if it just issued bonds.	May 23 16:44
DaemonFC	Indiana.	May 23 16:44
abeNd-org	they have an exit to a street named "big beaver road" off i69 in michigan	May 23 16:45
MinceR	:>	May 23 16:45
abeNd-org	yea, they are doing a lot of the public private partnership here in TX too	May 23 16:53
abeNd-org	the only public thing about it is the drivers paying for it & all the money going private	May 23 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source use may rise where proprietary	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	systems cannot lower costs	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MzuTA7DSZ4	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdad5	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NHS told: Make patient record systems open	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	source http://t.co/z3Rxa2PwCV	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdad6	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Browsers will Flash Linux into the future or	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	drag it into the past http://t.co/NYdhoGlhqU	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdad7	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD “Bald Eagle” APUs target high-end embedded	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/J18yZxdYnl	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdad8	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Netrunner 14 RC1 Is Based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS,	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	but It Looks Much Better http://t.co/H0OofDcxKW	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdad9	May 23 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source use may rise where proprietary systems cannot lower costs \| Tux Machines		May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ClearOS 6.6 Beta 1 Released	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vzhlA5NUe7	May 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdada	May 23 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NHS told: Make patient record systems open source \| Tux Machines		May 23 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Browsers will Flash Linux into the future or drag it into the past \| Tux Machines		May 23 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD “Bald Eagle” APUs target high-end embedded Linux \| Tux Machines		May 23 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Netrunner 14 RC1 Is Based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS, but It Looks Much Better \| Tux Machines		May 23 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| ClearOS 6.6 Beta 1 Released \| Tux Machines		May 23 16:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines With Valve On Linux, Has LGP Lost All	May 23 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	Relevance? http://t.co/92fpmQQclT	May 23 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdah9	May 23 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GTK+ Gestures Support Merged	May 23 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6wa3HtR0oC	May 23 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdaha	May 23 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Test driving NVIDIA GRID Workspace (Windows	May 23 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	client). Linux client is in the works	May 23 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VwHIzENipx	May 23 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdahb	May 23 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| With Valve On Linux, Has LGP Lost All Relevance? \| Tux Machines		May 23 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GTK+ Gestures Support Merged \| Tux Machines		May 23 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Test driving NVIDIA GRID Workspace (Windows client). Linux client is in the works \| Tux Machines		May 23 17:33
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/labor/6-bad-things-have-happened-greedy-walmart-recently	May 23 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| 6 Bad Things That Have Happened to Greedy Walmart Recently \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/hdan5 ]		May 23 18:01
DaemonFC	MinceR, I rather liked Paul Volcker's assessment of the US dollar some years ago.	May 23 18:39
DaemonFC	He said that the dollar was depreciating, but that it didn't matter, because other major currencies would have to gain against it significantly to replace it, and that wasn't going to happen in the foreseeable future.	May 23 18:40
DaemonFC	Basically, "Yeah, we're bad, but they're worse."	May 23 18:41
DaemonFC	schestowitz__, You can't tell anyone who you voted for in the UK?	May 23 18:44
DaemonFC	That's kind of stupid.	May 23 18:44
DaemonFC	2 secs ·	May 23 18:47
DaemonFC	There's an "endangered species chocolate bar" at Kroger now, which says they'll donate some of the profits to protecting endangered species.	May 23 18:47
DaemonFC	I picked it up and joked "Real endangered species in every bite!".	May 23 18:47
MinceR	:>	May 23 18:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based eyewear tracks eye movements	May 23 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zkLXVOmB1d	May 23 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdat3	May 23 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-based eyewear tracks eye movements \| Tux Machines		May 23 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tux Machines Turning 10 on June 10th	May 23 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bcocwtUbit	May 23 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdat4	May 23 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tux Machines Turning 10 on June 10th \| Tux Machines		May 23 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How FOSS Brought New Life To My Once	May 23 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-Unfriendly Laptop http://t.co/e3v4dkAVi1	May 23 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdat5	May 23 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How FOSS Brought New Life To My Once Linux-Unfriendly Laptop \| Tux Machines		May 23 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My first patch http://t.co/SjLTa7F8hW	May 23 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdb0w	May 23 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Becoming a ‘First Class Member’ of the	May 23 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	Unreal Engine Family http://t.co/4R2BefpqkH	May 23 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdb0x	May 23 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| My first patch \| Tux Machines		May 23 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Becoming a ‘First Class Member’ of the Unreal Engine Family \| Tux Machines		May 23 20:09
MinceR	gn	May 23 21:00
DaemonFC	msb_, According to Dr. Mercola, reverse osmosis removes 90% of the fluoride.	May 23 21:26
DaemonFC	If that's true, then that would bring down my water's level to about 0.14 ppm instead of 1.4 ppm.	May 23 21:27
msb_	DaemonFC: That would depend on the exact type of RO membrane. Besides, distillation removes all of it.	May 23 21:27
DaemonFC	I don't question that sodium fluoride in toothpaste has proven benefits, but that's different.	May 23 21:27
DaemonFC	And you're applying it directly to the teeth and then rinsing and spitting most of it back out.	May 23 21:28
DaemonFC	There's no real evidence that putting it in the water provides more benefits than brushing properly, three times a day, with toothpaste.	May 23 21:28
DaemonFC	msb_, I don't see any reason to worry about removing all of it.	May 23 21:29
msb_	I like my pineal gland. Fluoride destroys it.	May 23 21:29
DaemonFC	The problem seems to be that beyond a certain level, it has negative effects.	May 23 21:29
DaemonFC	The state of Indiana cut the required amount in half some years back.	May 23 21:30
DaemonFC	Because people's teeth were turning brown because of too much in the water.	May 23 21:30
DaemonFC	The way Indiana is set up is in such a way where the state government makes most local decisions.	May 23 21:31
DaemonFC	There's no ability for local governments to decide to stop fluoridating the water. It's a state law.	May 23 21:31
DaemonFC	So, ratepayers in those communities have to pay to add the fluoride to get the water up to the minimum legal level.	May 23 21:31
DaemonFC	msb_, California is much different.	May 23 21:32
DaemonFC	You guys have voter initiatives and stuff. If your state government is not doing what you want it to, you can overrule it and create laws without their approval.	May 23 21:32
DaemonFC	We don't have that in Indiana, but we need it.	May 23 21:32
cubezzz	msg_, wrote my first fortran program for Unix v5	May 23 21:33
cubezzz	msb_, rather	May 23 21:33
DaemonFC	Indiana still has a bunch of "war on drugs" assholes, so even with 56% approval for decriminalizing marijuana possession among Indiana citizens, that's going nowhere.	May 23 21:33
DaemonFC	You'd think if 56% of the public wants rid of a law, that the law should be repealed.	May 23 21:33
DaemonFC	I mean, usually.	May 23 21:33
DaemonFC	When there's something that shouldn't be up for a vote, I think it should go into the constitution, and that that should be harder to modify.	May 23 21:34
DaemonFC	Indiana is basically a very corporate government.	May 23 21:35
msb_	cubezzz: Congrats!	May 23 21:35
DaemonFC	The Koch brothers and other wealthy industrialists run the state.	May 23 21:35
DaemonFC	They get whatever they want.	May 23 21:35
msb_	cubezzz: I once wrote a Fortran program that printed out its own source code.	May 23 21:36
DaemonFC	msb_, I'd buy a distillation unit, but it's a big up front expense. It seems to take a long time to produce a small amount of water.	May 23 21:36
DaemonFC	There's lime scale issues that I'm sure would be just terrible with our tap water.	May 23 21:36
cubezzz	msb_, a quine you mean?	May 23 21:37
DaemonFC	Reverse osmosis is a pretty ingenious system. Pretty much all of that crap just gets backflushed into the sewer.	May 23 21:37
DaemonFC	:)	May 23 21:37
msb_	cubezzz: Is that what such a program is called?	May 23 21:37
cubezzz	a quine is a computer program which takes no input and produces a copy of its own source code as output	May 23 21:38
cubezzz	msb_, there was a tiny bit of fortran source code in Unix v1	May 23 21:40
cubezzz	I was able to adapt it to Unix v5 & v6	May 23 21:40
msb_	DaemonFC: $160, 4hr/gallon, clean it as necessary. No worries about a pinhole in the RO membrane, or how well the corporation is maintaining the RO machine. But suit yourself.	May 23 21:42
msb_	DaemonFC: Use ascorbic or citric acid to dissolve the scale. Vinegar will damage the seal.	May 23 21:43
msb_	I used to write Fortran-callable subroutines to connect flying-spot scanner, nuclear modules, to PDP6/10 and Eclipse.	May 23 21:45
cubezzz	I didn't realize you worked on PDP-6	May 23 21:46
msb_	Yep.	May 23 21:46
cubezzz	do you have any program listings from that era?	May 23 21:46
msb_	Once made an emitter-coupled logic circuit to interface with a nuclear module (used for photon-counting in biology).	May 23 21:46
msb_	cubezzz: Not that I'd know where to find.	May 23 21:47
cubezzz	ok, yeah I think you mentioned that before	May 23 21:47
cubezzz	it was a pretty rare machine from what I understand	May 23 21:48
msb_	Had a live-in technician. Once showed me a 2-foot square PC board -- one bit of the accumulator.	May 23 21:49
cubezzz	yes, I hear it was tempermental :)	May 23 21:50
msb_	It was connected via a parallel cable to a LINC or PDP8 in a lab in the basement. Six floors!	May 23 21:52
msb_	Home-made transistor drivers for each bit. Insane!	May 23 21:52
msb_	I guess it was before ethernet.	May 23 21:53
cubezzz	so for removable media it had... paper tape?	May 23 21:54
msb_	Or maybe the cable went up to a PDP8 next to the PDP6.	May 23 21:54
msb_	DecTapes	May 23 21:54
msb_	and magtapes.	May 23 21:54
msb_	Tape-eating magtapes.	May 23 21:54
cubezzz	well it would be the drives that ate the tapes surely :)	May 23 21:55
msb_	Stretched them, more precisely.	May 23 21:55
cubezzz	ok, I thought I saw a paper tape reader in the picture	May 23 21:56
msb_	I'm sure there was one, for booting.	May 23 21:56
msb_	With a plastic boot-tape for long life.	May 23 21:56
msb_	They did experiments with chlorophyll, where the reaction was started by a nanosecond pulse from a Q-switched ruby laser.	May 23 21:58
msb_	The measurement light for it was a xenon flashlamp powered by a multiple pi-section tunable delay line charged to a KV or more. Adjust the cores to get a flat light pulse.	May 23 22:00
msb_	The measure signal was recorded on a polaroid camera on a 450 MHz oscilloscope. Nothing could digitize that fast.	May 23 22:01
msb_	Then a flying-spot scanner -- oscilloscope, big lens, photomultiplier tube in a dark box -- would scan the photograph under PDP8 control, the result read in by a driver in Fortran.	May 23 22:02
msb_	Fun, eh?	May 23 22:03
cubezzz	a lot of improvising it seems like	May 23 22:05
cubezzz	yeah, I was talking to another guy about early unix posters which were created by phototypesetting	May 23 22:05
cubezzz	interesting stuff	May 23 22:06
msb_	cubezzz: Improvising? How else to do it?	May 23 22:06
cubezzz	ok, prototyping then :)	May 23 22:07
cubezzz	I don't know how else it could be done in that time period	May 23 22:07
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britton_Chance Director of the multi-lab foundation.	May 23 22:07
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msb_	We made it work!	May 23 22:08
cubezzz	well I would say that early work in any field involves some experimentation	May 23 22:08
cubezzz	you can't just read a book and do it	May 23 22:08
msb_	I'm very proud of that flat-pulse xenon flasher.	May 23 22:09
cubezzz	IBM had something called an optical mark page reader	May 23 22:09
cubezzz	and a display copier	May 23 22:09
cubezzz	that was mid-60s	May 23 22:09
cubezzz	sure, you should be proud :)	May 23 22:10
msb_	We used a lot of photomultiplier tubes.	May 23 22:10
msb_	The only thing that could measure biochemical reactions that fast was light.	May 23 22:10
cubezzz	I can only imagine the stories you heard from guys one generation earlier than you	May 23 22:11
*cubezzz nods		May 23 22:11
cubezzz	so what did you guys use for an OS for the PDP-6?	May 23 22:12
cubezzz	I know a bit about PDP-7, but not the PDP-6	May 23 22:12
msb_	I worked on a microspectrophotometer. Sent monochromatic reference and measure light beams through a microscope (with quartz optics). Could measure reactions in the nucleus of a cell, compensated by a reference path through the cytoplasm. Beams switched by a mechanical chopper.	May 23 22:13
msb_	I don't remember what the OS was called.	May 23 22:14
msb_	On the teletype terminal, they all looked the same. 8^)	May 23 22:16
msb_	The PDP6 may have used discrete transistor logic. Why the PC boards were so big.	May 23 22:17
msb_	I remember there were pulse transformers in those circuits.	May 23 22:17
cubezzz	evidently there are no surviving PDP-6's	May 23 22:18
cubezzz	which doesn't surprise me	May 23 22:18
msb_	DEC folks were generally nice to work with.	May 23 22:19
cubezzz	not like Microsoft eh? :)	May 23 22:19
msb_	Gack!	May 23 22:20
cubezzz	actually, you experienced the pre-Microsoft era, I'm a bit jealous	May 23 22:20
msb_	Not that I've talked to anyone from MS for 14 years, except their stooges on Usenet.	May 23 22:20
cubezzz	well I have... I talked to folks from Microsoft Canada	May 23 22:21
cubezzz	SCO was more friendly	May 23 22:21
cubezzz	of course this was the original SCO	May 23 22:22
msb_	I live about 50 miles N of Santa Cruz.	May 23 22:22
cubezzz	you ever use SCO Xenix?	May 23 22:22
msb_	Nah.	May 23 22:22
msb_	Maybe. I've done a lot of little consulting jobs.	May 23 22:23
cubezzz	Xenix was sort of a closed-source Unix v7	May 23 22:23
cubezzz	so re-discovering Unix v7 is like a breath of fresh air after using Xenix :)	May 23 22:24
msb_	I never really got into the differences among various Unices.	May 23 22:25
cubezzz	well everything diverged from Unix v7, so I think it's worth learning about	May 23 22:25
msb_	Sun had one that ran on a 386 machine, used that at Stanford. Funky,	May 23 22:25
cubezzz	that could be why a lot of people don't really like Unix	May 23 22:26
cubezzz	due to the Unix wars back in the 1980s	May 23 22:26
cubezzz	but it's the clear antecedent of modern Linux and BSD	May 23 22:27
msb_	The CLI commands were all the same. I didn't even notice one version from another.	May 23 22:27
msb_	Seems like there was some change in tty i/o at some point. I had to alter some of my routines.	May 23 22:28
cubezzz	there's detritus in unix which is a bit different in every version	May 23 22:29
msb_	Same in Linux. KDE4, systemd...	May 23 22:29
cubezzz	yes :)	May 23 22:29
msb_	Invasion of the Improvers	May 23 22:30
cubezzz	well try Unix v1, and you'll appreciate most of the improvements	May 23 22:30
cubezzz	I mean, most of the new ideas are good	May 23 22:31
cubezzz	some, like KDE4 or systemd, not so much	May 23 22:31
msb_	I will never use KDE4.	May 23 22:32
cubezzz	glibc is bloated, the result of years of accumulated changes, different cpu architectures, and god knows what else	May 23 22:32
msb_	From what I was told, it may be a MS plot to fuck up Linux.	May 23 22:32
msb_	I don't imagine systemd will affect me much, at the user level.	May 23 22:33
cubezzz	ah, folks will just go to a distro that supports what they like	May 23 22:33
cubezzz	it's impossible to really mess up Linux	May 23 22:33
msb_	I will use Trinity if Suse drops KDE3.	May 23 22:33
cubezzz	OpenBSD still uses KDE3	May 23 22:34
cubezzz	and xfce is pretty useable	May 23 22:34
cubezzz	I don't think the BSD folks are using systemd	May 23 22:35
msb_	So I'm told. Are the desktop names retained across reboots in xfce? Does it remember the desktop locations of xterms/konsoles/	May 23 22:35
cubezzz	I don't use it enough to answer that	May 23 22:36
cubezzz	you normally use umm, I forget which terminal program exactly, not konsole anyway	May 23 22:37
msb_	There's a guy here called XFaCE.	May 23 22:38
msb_	Yes, konsole is KDE.	May 23 22:38
cubezzz	I'm using icewm on this box, I just never logout	May 23 22:40
cubezzz	last logout was due to a utility power failure 86 days ago	May 23 22:41
cubezzz	slackware is classic bsd style init scripts	May 23 22:44
cubezzz	I think you can still use Classical SysV style init on debian	May 23 22:44
cubezzz	I assume you can revert back to SysV style init on distros that use systemd?	May 23 22:45
cubezzz	I haven't upgraded any operating systems to latest and greatest in a number of years	May 23 22:47
cubezzz	I think the newest one I have is fedora 16	May 23 22:47
msb_	I dunno. Reversion from systemd to init might require lots of reversions in various system programs.	May 23 22:48
cubezzz	I'll just make my own distro at some point	May 23 22:49
cubezzz	I bet other folks will also, just look at distrowatch	May 23 22:49
msb_	As long as I can get it to boot, set up fstab, and use my trackball and whatever audio chip on my mobo, and of course KDE3/Trinity that's about all I need.	May 23 22:50
msb_	I'm a Linux user, not a system guy.	May 23 22:53
cubezzz	well I've installed v6 and v7 from the source tapes so I'm ready :)	May 23 22:56
cubezzz	I'll maybe try systemd on one machine, just to check it out	May 23 22:57
cubezzz	my gut instinct is I don't like it	May 23 22:58
msb_	The Monster that Ate Chicago.	May 23 22:58
cubezzz	if you want a Bell Labs, there's Plan 9	May 23 23:17
cubezzz	Bell Labs style OS	May 23 23:18
cubezzz	most folks are not into that	May 23 23:18
cubezzz	Patrick Volkerding says he is sticking with a BSD-style of SysV design	May 23 23:19
cubezzz	GNOME 3 seems to need systemd	May 23 23:21
cubezzz	the other one that keeps popping up is OpenRC	May 23 23:22
cubezzz	I mean we don't still use Thompson shell, so new ideas always need to be evalutated	May 23 23:24
cubezzz	if it's overly complicated or slow, or hard to maintain then I don't want it	May 23 23:25
msb_	cubezzz: The time may come when I will need to emigrate. Most of my friends are ex-pats. A job with Cubix in Canada would be very nice.	May 24 00:28
msb_	cubezzz: Did you ever see _The Handmaid's Tale_ ? It made a big impression on me.	May 24 00:30
cubezzz	Atwood wrote a science fiction novel? Hard to believe	May 24 00:35
cubezzz	no, I haven't seen the film or read the book	May 24 00:36
msb_	More political horror than science fiction.	May 24 00:36
cubezzz	dystopian	May 24 00:38
msb_	yep. But very good!	May 24 00:47
cubezzz	sometimes I wonder what inspired George Orwell to write 1984	May 24 00:49
msb_	It's certainly all around us now.	May 24 00:52
msb_	https://image.bayimg.com/famedaabb.jpg	May 24 00:54
cubezzz	no Thought Police yet :)	May 24 00:55
cubezzz	you could argue we have the telescreens though	May 24 00:57
XFaCE	[00:55:18]<msb_> [22:35:52] So I'm told. Are the desktop names retained across reboots in xfce? Does it remember the desktop locations of xterms/konsoles/	May 24 00:57
XFaCE	no idea off hand	May 24 00:57
XFaCE	never had to think about that	May 24 00:58
cubezzz	there's a broader question too re: window managers	May 24 00:59
msb_	The US govt has murdered at least 2,000,000 people A. to maintain US petrodollars and B. to destroy any kind of economy in which the workers get a fair share. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4	May 24 00:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| The Road to World War 3 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hbgqb ]		May 24 00:59
cubezzz	does it retain across switches in wm's?	May 24 00:59
cubezzz	msb_, we're going to get off oil one way or the other	May 24 01:00
msb_	Hopefully. But it's not going to happen soon. It's making too much money for the ultra-wealthy.	May 24 01:01
cubezzz	msb_, I'm switching into xfce now so I'll be able to answer your question in a minute	May 24 01:02
msb_	The 2,000,000 murders are all since 2001. And the US govt did 9/11 to justify them.	May 24 01:02
cubezzz	ha, interesting	May 24 01:02
cubezzz	firefox restarts in xfce with the same tabs and info	May 24 01:02
msb_	Sure. It has its own state file.	May 24 01:03
msb_	sessionstore.js	May 24 01:03
cubezzz	yes, I delete that sometimes	May 24 01:03
cubezzz	ok, xfce does seem to retain the xterm's	May 24 01:04
msb_	You have multiple named virtual desktops running?	May 24 01:04
cubezzz	yes, I have multiple-multiple virtual desktops running :)	May 24 01:05
cubezzz	fvwm, icewm, KDE, mwm, Ratpoison, xfce 4 and failsafe	May 24 01:06
msb_	What I mean is, when running a single DE, like xfce, do you have multiple desktops in that?	May 24 01:09
cubezzz	yes	May 24 01:09
cubezzz	but I don't run a single DE usually	May 24 01:10
msb_	And those desktops and their names and contents are preserved across xfce restarts?	May 24 01:10
cubezzz	yes	May 24 01:10
msb_	Great!	May 24 01:10
cubezzz	I'm still learning new things about KDE 3.X even though I've been using it for 11 years	May 24 01:13
cubezzz	but then, I'm just learning about Unix v1 today :)	May 24 01:14
cubezzz	there's supposed to be a meteor shower in 45 mins	May 24 01:16
cubezzz	oh I should show you my KDE 3 video	May 24 01:17
cubezzz	might be of some interest	May 24 01:17
cubezzz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtRBoi1At_0	May 24 01:17
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msb_	cubezzz: sorry, I'm having trouble following what you're doing in that video. Needs voice explanation.	May 24 01:25
cubezzz	just make it bigger	May 24 01:25
cubezzz	it should work even on a slow machine	May 24 01:26
cubezzz	anyways, it's just using sessions and coloured tabs in konsole	May 24 01:28
msb_	I only use one session per konsole.	May 24 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MIPS Open-Source Group Takes Aim at ARM, Intel	May 24 02:03
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msb_	cubezzz: See any meteors?	May 24 03:48
cubezzz	no	May 24 03:48
cubezzz	nothing, I looked for half an hour	May 24 03:48
msb_	Too bad. The fun part is when you see one land and hear unscrewing noises.	May 24 03:49
schestowitz_log_	https://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470112663625031680	May 24 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stmanfr: @schestowitz @wikileaks_forum This conception of whistleblowing is outdated to me & dangerous for whistleblowers & highly instrumentalizable		May 24 04:04
roy	[23:44] <DaemonFC> schestowitz__, You can't tell anyone who you voted for in the UK?	May 24 04:05
roy	I don't vote	May 24 04:05
DaemonFC	I do, but I'm not thrilled about it.	May 24 04:09
DaemonFC	There's going to be a government either way.	May 24 04:10
roy	[20:48] <DaemonFC> http://list25.com/the-25-biggest-ways-you-are-being-ripped-off/	May 24 04:10
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roy	Nice list	May 24 04:10
roy	https://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470114876653076480	May 24 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, that page does not exist		May 24 04:13
roy	https://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470115228475473920	May 24 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stmanfr: @schestowitz @wikileaks_forum as long as single points of failure & centralized/pyramidal architectures are everywhere.		May 24 04:13
DaemonFC	schestowitz__, I got out of Walmart with 16 Gillette Sensor 3 razors for $7.76	May 24 04:13
DaemonFC	They sent out a bunch of $3 off coupons that said "any gillette men's razors", but then they coded it to not scan for their cheaper ones.	May 24 04:14
DaemonFC	But the cashier overrode all of them. hehe	May 24 04:14
roy	[22:39] <DaemonFC> If schestowitz started talking bad about the invasion, his government would arrest him for being impolite or something	May 24 04:15
roy	No, they can harass a person in other ways	May 24 04:15
roy	as they do now	May 24 04:15
roy	I needed to pay a lawyer recently	May 24 04:15
DaemonFC	What did they do?	May 24 04:15
roy	:"as long as single points of failure & centralized/pyramidal architectures are everywhere. Crypto-anarchists know it cannot work"	May 24 04:16
roy	https://twitter.com/stmanfr/status/470115940055928833	May 24 04:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stmanfr: @schestowitz @wikileaks_forum Crypto-anarchists thinking about whistleblowing can DEMONSTRATE current centralized methods lead to disasters.		May 24 04:16
roy	[22:39] <DaemonFC> MinceR, It hasn't gotten as bad as the UK though.	May 24 04:17
roy	Actuall, the US is worse off. Here there's usually a living wage even for the least paid people	May 24 04:17
roy	the issue which remains is zero-hour contracts and need to work to get social benefit that one already paid for while employed	May 24 04:17
DaemonFC	you mean like retirement?	May 24 04:18
roy	[22:36] <DaemonFC> MinceR, The United States has a LOT of manufacturing left.	May 24 04:18
roy	Like prison labour?	May 24 04:18
roy	DaemonFC: not retirement, unemployemtn	May 24 04:18
roy	to put it simply	May 24 04:18
roy	joe works for 10 years	May 24 04:18
roy	pays $20,000 in tax	May 24 04:19
roy	joe then loses his job	May 24 04:19
roy	can't find another	May 24 04:19
roy	needs to work for private company for free to get $200 per month from his social program that he was forced to pay into while employed	May 24 04:19
roy	and some private company profits from joe's free labour	May 24 04:19
DaemonFC	$200?	May 24 04:19
DaemonFC	Where do you live on $200?	May 24 04:19
roy	just saying, depends on the case	May 24 04:19
roy	he'd probably get free housing too	May 24 04:20
roy	so think of $50 per week for food etc.	May 24 04:20
DaemonFC	there's some of that here	May 24 04:20
DaemonFC	yeah, Section 8 housing and food stamps	May 24 04:20
roy	anyway, for people who rely on the state tp support them when not self-sufficient or on a payroll is becoming hard	May 24 04:20
DaemonFC	No living wage, but you can qualify for low income subsidies if you make minimum wage	May 24 04:20
DaemonFC	including the earned income tax credits	May 24 04:21
roy	big business are recovering here	May 24 04:21
roy	at the expense of the poor	May 24 04:21
DaemonFC	same here	May 24 04:21
roy	some of whom are forced to work for free for big corporations	May 24 04:21
DaemonFC	They're getting record profits on minimum payroll	May 24 04:21
roy	interbnments, social programs, etc/	May 24 04:21
roy	interships	May 24 04:21
roy	LOL	May 24 04:21
roy	not internments :-)	May 24 04:21
msb_	cubezzz: Apparently _The Handmaid's Tale_ is out of print -- $36 from amazon. But a very good online copy -- in the bay -- yo-ho-ho.	May 24 04:21
roy	which would be a more suitable term actually	May 24 04:21
DaemonFC	schestowitz__, Walmart just opened over 100 new stores while decreasing jobs by like 15,000.	May 24 04:22
roy	maybe automatic tills	May 24 04:22
DaemonFC	Of course, their sales are starting to go negative, but in the short term it looks good.	May 24 04:22
roy	we have more and more of them here	May 24 04:22
roy	in the past you could approach a real person	May 24 04:22
roy	but they're cutting down on people	May 24 04:22
DaemonFC	Yeah, that was all that was open earlier, when I was there.	May 24 04:22
DaemonFC	It was packed.	May 24 04:22
roy	so waiting time is increasing uunless you work with a machine	May 24 04:22
roy	same in the bank I just ditched, NatWest	May 24 04:23
DaemonFC	They had one cashier running around trying to fix problems people were having on eight different self-checkouts.	May 24 04:23
roy	wow, so walmart gives no option other than machines now?	May 24 04:23
roy	I didn't go to asda any time recently and never bought anything there, so I don't know what this wal-mart-owned grocer is doing	May 24 04:23
DaemonFC	Well, register 17 has to be open, but that's the only regular checkout that they keep open most of the time now.	May 24 04:23
roy	ah, yes	May 24 04:23
roy	the person who 'helps' with machines	May 24 04:24
DaemonFC	It's always packed with people buying cigarettes because that's the only lane that can sell them.	May 24 04:24
roy	I saw that at the airport	May 24 04:24
msb_	Too bad if people spoof the barcodes.	May 24 04:24
DaemonFC	When I worked at Walmart, 10 years ago, there were no self checkouts.	May 24 04:24
DaemonFC	10-15 cashiers on at all times.	May 24 04:24
DaemonFC	Well, over 4,000 stores, that's a lot of people who are employed.	May 24 04:25
msb_	45" TV looks like a roll of paper towels.	May 24 04:25
schestowitz_log_	good	May 24 04:25
schestowitz_log_	that's also better service	May 24 04:25
schestowitz_log_	they can answer questions	May 24 04:25
schestowitz_log_	so wal-mart is becoming some kind of self-running business	May 24 04:25
DaemonFC	yeah	May 24 04:26
DaemonFC	There's now two cashiers.	May 24 04:26
schestowitz_log_	now, if only they could get more automated stocking of shelves	May 24 04:26
DaemonFC	The tobacco lane and the self-checkout attendant.	May 24 04:26
schestowitz_log_	So much for "job creators"	May 24 04:26
roy	I guess their vision if one of oligarchs and dependends	May 24 04:27
roy	one or few people running a centre ofull of machines	May 24 04:27
roy	like amazon	May 24 04:27
DaemonFC	yeah, thousands and thousands of cashiers jobs, just gone	May 24 04:27
roy	and everyone else begging for pennies from them	May 24 04:27
roy	I guess they'll find that it leads to violent rebellion	May 24 04:27
DaemonFC	Well, they say it helps them keep prices low, as prices increase.	May 24 04:28
DaemonFC	:)	May 24 04:28
roy	haha	May 24 04:29
roy	I heard that from some silly banksters' doorman	May 24 04:29
roy	"it's good for you"	May 24 04:29
roy	then I lectured him	May 24 04:30
roy	he too would be made redundant next	May 24 04:30
roy	they don't reduce prices, they improve margins	May 24 04:30
roy	by sharing less with their staff	May 24 04:30
roy	of which there's less (declining staff))	May 24 04:30
roy	I never knew a store or bank that reduced costs over time	May 24 04:30
roy	they use inflation as excuse to always hike prices	May 24 04:31
DaemonFC	roy, yeah	May 24 04:31
DaemonFC	I just go to Walmart to coupon and stock up and cat litter and stuff.	May 24 04:31
roy	we're pushed into it	May 24 04:32
roy	I still buy at Sainsbury's for some of their low-cos stuff, but Aldi is the main one and also Cooperative, Wing Yip (for Asian products), and a few others	May 24 04:32
roy	Sainsbury's delivers to one's home	May 24 04:32
roy	that actually CREATES jobs	May 24 04:32
roy	it involved drivers, personal shoppers etc.	May 24 04:33
roy	and is more environmentally-friendly	May 24 04:33
roy	one truck with many deliveries rather than one car per household	May 24 04:33
roy	The till workers are still there	May 24 04:33
roy	In fact, it basically offloads the work from the customer	May 24 04:33
roy	and creates new jobs	May 24 04:33
roy	for small shops it's hard to compete with this, though	May 24 04:34
roy	do you have home deliveries in Huntington?	May 24 04:34
DaemonFC	nope	May 24 04:36
DaemonFC	Well, from Amazon maybe.	May 24 04:37
DaemonFC	Walgreens will let you make a shopping list and they'll bag it and ring it up and have it ready when you get to the store.	May 24 04:37
roy	amazon is evil stuff	May 24 04:39
roy	for many reasons	May 24 04:39
roy	and it harms jobs, not creating jobs	May 24 04:39
DaemonFC	I heard that they hire more people than they need just so they'll have extras right away when people quit. :P	May 24 04:40
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TweetTuxMachines	Bad Spell http://t.co/HkrOfcc4NE	May 24 05:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdd32	May 24 05:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Did Blue Pup jump the shark with its Windows 8	May 24 05:37
TweetTuxMachines	Metro interface? http://t.co/jCzPLEj5eX	May 24 05:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdd33	May 24 05:37
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roy	https://twitter.com/bdcory/status/470138239974899712	May 24 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bdcory: @schestowitz Americans suffer from ignorance, apathy & blinded by two-party politics. In other words, we're too f---ing dumb.		May 24 05:45
roy	http://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2014/05/22/except-issa-san-diego-delegation-supports-nsa-changes/	May 24 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofsandiego.com \| Except for Issa, San Diego Delegation Supports NSA Changes \| Times of San Diego [ http://ur1.ca/hdd4e ]		May 24 05:46
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roy	http://www.theawl.com/2014/05/a-drone-tried-to-kill-me-at-a-gizmodo-party	May 24 06:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theawl.com \| A Drone Tried to Kill Me at the Gizmodo House of the Future		May 24 06:11
roy	http://www.longislandpress.com/2014/05/23/will-obamas-drone-strike-memo-mention-long-islands-khan/	May 24 06:13
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roy	http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/23/right-wing-fringe-party-ukip-sweeps-to-power-in-uk-poll.html	May 24 06:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailybeast.com \| Right Wing Fringe Party UKIP Sweeps To Power In UK Poll - The Daily Beast [ http://ur1.ca/hddbj ]		May 24 06:19
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roy	LOL http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mafp38agtk1qj26eao1_500.jpg	May 24 09:09
roy	https://twitter.com/onedeliveryuk/status/470189426669543424	May 24 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@onedeliveryuk: @schestowitz Have you checked our website out yet? :) #kfc #mcds #burger king #nandos delivery..:)		May 24 09:09
MinceR	geekings	May 24 09:11
MinceR	lol	May 24 09:11
roy	http://www.moggyblog.com/media/users/admin/norwegianforestcat.jpg	May 24 09:37
roy	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mekh9bW8wM1rbknb3o1_500.gif	May 24 09:38
roy	https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dApe9RpI9tA/U3-EXLnzcgI/AAAAAAACQhI/gsNpW2iMSaM/w464-h825-no/Spectrum+of+Bagan+by+Pakpoom+Tirachittanuwattana.jpg	May 24 09:39
roy	http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1400929102626704_animate.gif	May 24 09:39
roy	http://rt.com/news/161044-ukraine-helicopter-checkpoint-attack/	May 24 10:09
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roy	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4137902	May 24 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: <h3>About Liars and Jumping to Conclusions</h3> Dishonest people are infuriating because they force the rest of us to do a lot of extra work and inherently force logical inconsistencies on us. To protect ourselves we often have to act on incomplete information. In the worst cases, dishonest people make us doubt our honest neighbors and ourselves. Microsoft is a particularly outrageous collection of liars and t		May 24 10:11
roy	https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1464688_615487381853330_1836728393_n.jpg	May 24 11:17
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roy	MinceR: https://31.media.tumblr.com/0331fd8f6f617618fbe8773b16c5ca28/tumblr_n624e1hMjb1qdlh1io1_250.gif	May 24 12:09
MinceR	lol	May 24 12:10
MinceR	probably not as planned	May 24 12:10
roy	he doesn't go get food	May 24 12:11
MinceR	jumping on the counter would have been easier, most likely	May 24 12:12
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4140313	May 24 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Browsers will Flash Linux into the future or drag it into the past http://www.techrepublic.com/article/browsers-will-flash-linux-into-the-future-or-drag-it-into-the-past/		May 24 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techrepublic.com \| Browsers will Flash Linux into the future or drag it into the past - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/hdekc ]		May 24 12:40
schestowitz__	"	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	This guy is just a troll, but I'm feeling randy so I'll bite. First and foremost: flash is dying. If you're talking about being held back from the future you should be talking about still supporting flash.	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	"I get it, they want to stick with as much open source as possible..." that is by no means the only reason to use Chromium. It is available on more platforms. Chrome is known to have privacy violations that Chromium does not. Chromium is sometimes available from your repo. Etc..	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	"Because I found it more reliable, up-to-date, and it had more of the plugins I needed." Bullshit, retarded, and false. Chromium is always at least as up-to-date as Chrome, because the updates happen in Chromium first. And they use the same plugins. Reliability is a little harder to prove, but I have seen no difference whatsoever and I have extensive experience with both. This sentence alone proves the guy is either an idiot or, more	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	likely, a bad liar.	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	"I see, all too often, died in the wool open-source users refusing to install software by Google (or other entities), because they don't adhere to the GPL." Really? How many people do you know that shriek in horror when they come across something that is BSD-licensed?	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	"With companies like Google behind it, Linux could take over the world!" It already did precisely that, jackass. Ever heard of Android? Chromebooks? A few feet from me sits a Samsung T.V. my wife bought from WalMart - it runs Linux. Linux runs elevators and road signs. Linux is the most common OS in the world, and most of those installations are in perverted corporate forms.	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	"If Linux doesn't succeed, open source cannot succeed." Can you think of a sentence more obviously false? "open source" is an approach to software development - its fate is absolutely not tied to the fate of one particular kernel. Ever heard of the BSD family? I hear they have some pretty big corporations involved too (Apple). And the Lord knows you'd never get open source software on a closed OS like Windows /sarc.	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	"But if Linux is to win over new users, it cannot, in any way, depend on those new users extracting APIs from one browser and rolling them into another." If those users want/need flash and don't want to use the NAPI plugin and don't want to roll Pepper in, then they can install a browser that does what they need. How is this a problem? Most of my computers have Chromium, Chrome, Firefox, and other browsers installed. I'll play whack-	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	a-browser for the poorly-designed websites (which would include the ones which use flash).	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	"For new users to accept Linux as a desktop platform of choice, said platform needs to work out-of-the-box." Bullshit. Have you ever seen a new user use Ubuntu's flashy package management thing? It's not a problem.	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	"If it means Linux gains more support and a larger install base, how can you not see this as a winning situation?" ... "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	"Could that "push" actually come from the open-source community itself? I believe so." So now you contradict the entire article up to this point? Awesome. Well I'll tell you what, that extra push would have nothing to do with Flash.	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	"	May 24 12:41
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4140295	May 24 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Linux-based eyewear tracks eye movements http://linuxgizmos.com/linux-based-eyewear-tracks-eye-movements/		May 24 12:41
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schestowitz__	"Or allow it to be used as an input device maybe?"	May 24 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Screenshots http://t.co/c9dAMvsfri	May 24 12:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdemw	May 24 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New Screenshots \| Tux Machines		May 24 12:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Games http://t.co/vv4IQ9bbCb	May 24 12:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdemx	May 24 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Games \| Tux Machines		May 24 12:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/bxo8bVLlR2	May 24 12:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdemy	May 24 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		May 24 12:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/jOxPi9ZOzh	May 24 12:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdemz	May 24 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		May 24 12:59
msb_	cubelog: Amiga in the news! http://www.nowseethis.org/invisiblephoto/posts/108/essay/5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oqUd8utr14	May 24 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nowseethis.org \| Trapped: Andy Warhol's Amiga Experiments \| Part 2: Trapped: Andy Warhol's Amiga Experiments \| Hillman Photography Initiative [ http://ur1.ca/hdeu6 ]		May 24 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Andy Warhol paints Debbie Harry on an Amiga - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hdeu7 ]		May 24 13:42
msb_	cubezzz: see above	May 24 13:42
MinceR	http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b5514e97c192d4d499dcc7cf3d462b9/tumblr_n5zk5vW7Dr1qzcv7no3_500.jpg	May 24 13:56
MinceR	how should one look for unused domain names if one wants to avoid potential squatters finding out which ones are wanted?	May 24 14:53
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DaemonFC	shared a link via Indiana Progressive Liberals.	May 24 15:41
DaemonFC	15 seconds ago	May 24 15:41
DaemonFC	http://www.heraldbulletin.com/breakingnews/x1396859018/Indiana-GOP-debates-gay-marriage-line-for-platform	May 24 15:41
DaemonFC	Hopefully, the Supreme Court will free us from this before they get around to putting a constitutional ban on the ballot and letting Indiana voters prove what a bag of dicks they can be.	May 24 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heraldbulletin.com \| Indiana GOP debates gay marriage line for platform » Breaking News » The Herald Bulletin [ http://ur1.ca/hdfdf ]		May 24 15:41
DaemonFC	http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140524/world/Ukip-party-scores-a-huge-win-in-UK-local-elections.520361	May 24 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timesofmalta.com \| Ukip party scores a huge win in UK local elections - timesofmalta.com [ http://ur1.ca/hdfdt ]		May 24 15:43
DaemonFC	I got a letter from Nigel Farage when I e-mailed the MEPs asking them to vote no on ACTA.	May 24 15:44
DaemonFC	All I really know about him is that he was emphatically opposed to ACTA, which is good.	May 24 15:44
MinceR	there probably are worse things about him	May 24 15:45
MinceR	the greens are opposed to ACTA (and TTIP, and similar crap), though	May 24 15:45
DaemonFC	MinceR, It would be bad for most Europeans just like it would be bad for most Americans.	May 24 15:46
DaemonFC	We've lost control of our own government, but it appears that Europe still has some democratic tendencies left.	May 24 15:46
DaemonFC	I think it really says everything when I give up trying to ask my own Congress Critters to block those deals and start asking foreign politicians to do that instead.	May 24 15:47
DaemonFC	MinceR, Losing control of the internet by the people will require the US government to bully other countries into passing the laws it wants them to pass. Simply doing it here only affects people when they're under the jurisdiction of the United States. Like, I can't share some software with you, but you could share it with me, so my government wants your government to make sharing with me illegal for you.	May 24 15:49
DaemonFC	Obviously, it would be better if I could stop the US government from doing nasty things to Americans, but failing that, it's in my best interest if your government doesn't cooperate.	May 24 15:50
DaemonFC	And it has no reason to cooperate on the terms of "intellectual property" agreements, so the US is sugar coating this crap with "We'll give you access to cheap natural gas that we're poisoning Americans to extract via fracking!".	May 24 15:51
DaemonFC	With "intellectual property", Hungary and the EU would mostly be on the losing end, because you'd end up legitimizing American "IP" claims, and getting nothing in return.	May 24 15:52
MinceR	indeed	May 24 15:53
DaemonFC	Since the United States is already so rotten that it allows foreigners that we have no trade deals with to register things like patents here, and gouge Americans with them.	May 24 15:53
MinceR	the EU is also willing to negotiate secret "trade deals" that change its laws	May 24 15:53
MinceR	this should be changed	May 24 15:54
DaemonFC	So, what we end up with are things like European pharmaceutical companies getting US patents and charging me $600 a month for a drug that costs $50 in Germany.	May 24 15:54
DaemonFC	MinceR, Apparently, the US wants to export natural gas to the EU, and I believe that's where the pressure on the EU to sanction Russia is coming from.	May 24 16:04
MinceR	it's probably not the only source	May 24 16:04
MinceR	not everybody likes the idea of being run over by russians.	May 24 16:04
DaemonFC	The US needs somewhere for the excess gas to be sold to, and cutting off Europe from the Russian market makes ours easier to sell.	May 24 16:04
MinceR	especially if one's dictator is making deals that favors putin.	May 24 16:04
MinceR	and this is not the first time when dependence on russian gas is a huge issue for europe.	May 24 16:05
MinceR	they're not trustworthy.	May 24 16:05
DaemonFC	MinceR, Neither is the US government.	May 24 16:20
MinceR	probably more so than russia, though	May 24 16:20
MinceR	plus if the EU can ship gas from the USA via ships, it can ship from almost anywhere	May 24 16:21
DaemonFC	Both have a "Give us what we want or we'll hurt you." attitude.	May 24 16:21
DaemonFC	Shower you with gifts if you accept the deals.	May 24 16:21
MinceR	different standards, though	May 24 16:21
DaemonFC	Russia's government is more repressive than ours.	May 24 16:21
MinceR	indeed.	May 24 16:22
DaemonFC	It doesn't enforce environmental protection standards as well, it cracks down on gay people for what would be first amendment protected speech here.	May 24 16:22
DaemonFC	If you protest Putin, then you will go to prison.	May 24 16:22
DaemonFC	There's no doubt about it.	May 24 16:22
DaemonFC	There's picketers outside the US capital all the time.	May 24 16:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Opportunity http://t.co/7Yz436pkIa	May 24 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdfkq	May 24 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Opportunity \| Tux Machines		May 24 16:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Features On The Roadmap For GTK+	May 24 16:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/du1CqTXDl6	May 24 16:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hdfkr	May 24 16:41
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4141634	May 24 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: good karma ![](http://37.media.tumblr.com/0d771a5abcc82806f6a02a8f07b2d864/tumblr_n5y989trtE1qdlh1io1_400.gif)		May 24 17:16
schestowitz__	"Now they just need to paint that tire white..."	May 24 17:16
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4141649	May 24 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### Did you know... that under the Nazi-Regime in Germany also male homosexuals were put into concentration camps? And that even after WWII German laws against homosexuality weren't changed for many years, and homosexual victims of the nazis weren't rehabilitated? I recently read a biography about maybe the last homosexual camp-surviver (at least the last one known - because these people obviously lear		May 24 17:17
schestowitz__	"	May 24 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.radiolab.org \| The Turing Problem - Radiolab [ http://ur1.ca/hdenk ]		May 24 17:17
schestowitz__	The way the "Allies" won out against the "Axis" was by, in some ways, becoming the fascists that they were trying to defeat.	May 24 17:17
schestowitz__	Mandatory military service for able-bodied men (and women, in the case of the USSR). Putting people with different skin color or who speak different languages into prison camps, building the world's biggest bomb before the other guys. And subjecting homosexuals to torture, driving them to suicide.	May 24 17:17
schestowitz__	But everything turned out for the best. Oh, yes.	May 24 17:17
schestowitz__	"	May 24 17:17
schestowitz__	"	May 24 17:17
schestowitz__	That's a bit of an understatement.	May 24 17:17
schestowitz__	I don't know who this quote is by but it wraps up my thoughts on this topic rather well.	May 24 17:17
schestowitz__	"The United States did not win World War II, Fascism did." - Some Bloke	May 24 17:17
schestowitz__	"	May 24 17:17
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cubezzz	I was wrong, the google drive image for unix v1 doesn't have a working fortran compiler	May 24 18:16
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cubezzz	msb_, question for you...	May 24 18:52
cubezzz	when you worked on the PDP-6, where was that?	May 24 18:52
msb_	cubezzz: University of Pennsylvania, Johnson Foundation.	May 24 18:56
cubezzz	ah thanks	May 24 18:56
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3rBBRIVYsc	May 24 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Naked Eating Cheetos - Ron White - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hdg2l ]		May 24 18:56
DaemonFC	I'm in a bad mood so I got a large chocolate extreme blizzard and some menthol cigarettes	May 24 18:59
DaemonFC	sigh	May 24 18:59
DaemonFC	http://www.dairyqueen.com/us-en/Menu/Cakes/Chocolate-Extreme-Blizzard-Cake/	May 24 18:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dairyqueen.com \| [No translation for /menu-detail/seo-cakes-title, da] [ http://ur1.ca/hdg33 ]		May 24 19:00
DaemonFC	omg, they make it as a cake too!	May 24 19:00
DaemonFC	36,000 calories in a 10 inch cake	May 24 19:00
DaemonFC	no, it's not that bad	May 24 19:01
MinceR	:)	May 24 19:01
MinceR	gn	May 24 19:04
msb_	Comparison of US/Bush/Obama with Russia/Putin: The US govt (probably with Israeli help) perpetrated the 9/11 false-flag terror operation -- proven by simple laws of physics. It then used that Big Lie as the pretext for bombarding and invading Afghanistan and Iraq, and thereby MURDERING TWO MILLION PEOPLE. Putin has done nothing nearly so evil.	May 24 19:05
msb_	Mass murder is the worst possible crime. Labelling it "war" which programs people not to think of it as an enormous crime is simply mind-control. That doesn't change the reality at all.	May 24 19:09
DaemonFC	2 secs ·	May 24 20:01
DaemonFC	http://betanews.com/2014/05/05/a-tale-of-two-bugs/	May 24 20:01
DaemonFC	Microsoft sits on critical security problems in Windows and their other halfassed proprietary software, sometimes for years, using the excuse that "they're not aware of any particular malware that exploits them, yet.".	May 24 20:01
DaemonFC	Apple does the same thing. It left a hole open in iTunes for three years while the British government was using it to take over Macs and Windows PCs with FinFisher.	May 24 20:01
DaemonFC	Only Free software developers seem to take security issues seriously.	May 24 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com \| A tale of two bugs [ http://ur1.ca/hdgd3 ]		May 24 20:01
DaemonFC	Linux kernel developers will even accept patches that fix typos in comments, and apply them quickly. You wouldn't think that that would be security related, but it is a "correctness" issue, and it shows that they are serious about squashing bugs.	May 24 20:01
DaemonFC	shared Indiana Progressive Liberals's photo.	May 24 20:07
DaemonFC	a few seconds ago	May 24 20:07
DaemonFC	I voted for Joe Kernan in 2004, Jill Long Thompson in 2008, and John Gregg in 2012. I don't know who will be running for governor in 2016, but I absolutely will not, will NEVER, vote for any Republican.	May 24 20:07
DaemonFC	Their privatization plans are all basically like Daniels's toll road deal, where the state gets about $1 billion up front and loses $10 billion over the next 70 years. They're not a good deal for the public. It's like throwing your furniture into the fireplace to keep the house warm for a little while.	May 24 20:07
DaemonFC	But that's by design. The Republicans are entirely 100% corrupt.	May 24 20:07
DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	May 24 20:10
DaemonFC	Spotify is advertising a Lexus. Does anyone have $50,000 I can borrow? No. Alright then. Back to driving my 1996 Ford Crown Victoria. LOL	May 24 20:10
DaemonFC	So much for "targeted" ads. No wonder revenue is falling. They spend money advertising to people with no money to spend on their products.	May 24 20:10
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUcXI2BIUOQ&feature=kp	May 24 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Nina Simone - Ain't Got No...I've Got Life - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hdgh5 ]		May 24 20:13
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXSvo8PBvQc	May 24 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Bill Hicks - Relentless - What is Pornography (13/15) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hdgo8 ]		May 24 20:31
DaemonFC	2 seconds ago	May 24 21:27
DaemonFC	At one point, I decided that the only people who would understand me are other people facing depression or bipolar disorder or something, and I found out a couple of things.	May 24 21:27
DaemonFC	1. Almost everyone +/- 10 years of my age is broke, hates their life, and has depression or bipolar disorder.	May 24 21:27
DaemonFC	and	May 24 21:27
DaemonFC	2. Even they don't understand, tolerate, or want anything to do with me.	May 24 21:27
DaemonFC	So, where does that leave me? I don't know where that leaves me. I don't want to think about it anymore, but oh well.	May 24 21:27
DaemonFC	For my part, I think I'm holding up better than most of them.	May 24 21:27
DaemonFC	It's not just a coincidence that that's all I seem to run into. It's not even an exclusively American thing. In a recent survey of young adults in the United Kingdom, conducted with funding from the National Health Service, about a third of people my age said that they have "nothing to live for".	May 24 21:27
DaemonFC	And, it's not surprising. We're living in declining capitalist western societies that have written most of us off, where even the table scraps from the "have's" are drying up.	May 24 21:27
DaemonFC	It seems to be worse, the younger you are, but it's highly prevalent across the 18-40 age group at this point.	May 24 21:28
DaemonFC	omeone on IRC asked what I mean by "declining western capitalist societies", so I replied.	May 24 21:44
DaemonFC	"Well, it's a problem that's fundamentally caused by right-wing politics. The politics of people like Reagan or Thatcher. At one point, Margaret Thatcher said 'There is no society, there are only individuals.'. That statement is very telling about how the rich think of the other 90% of us. They have enough money to buy anything they personally need, so they're content with letting public infrastructure and social security programs fall apart	May 24 21:44
DaemonFC	. They don't believe that their prosperity depends on any of it. Sort of an 'I've got mine, so fuck you!', attitude. But, when we look at that, we find that we actually need socialism. Advanced economies need it. Were you planning to buy your own roads or your own water system? Where are you planning to send your kids to school at? Do you want them to afford college? Do you want to know that someday, when you're too old to work anymore, that	May 24 21:44
DaemonFC	Social Security is there for you? These things need everyone to chip in a few dollars so that society benefits. That's socialism, and it's not a dirty word. Everyone benefits, and it costs them very little, personally. So, countries with low personal income, minimal government, and low taxes end up being like Somalia. Do we want that? That's where right-wing politics will leave 90% of us."	May 24 21:44
DaemonFC	Obama could have explained it better, without giving the Republicans their "You didn't build that!" sound bite of nonsense, but he didn't want to offend the rich. We don't have any major politicians that are willing to offend the rich, because a presidential run costs $500 billion now, and a US senate seat can cost $1 billion, so you need to be able to raise $1 million every day if you want to be elected. That's why we don't have any citizen	May 24 21:44
DaemonFC	legislators anymore.	May 24 21:44
DaemonFC	shared a link.	May 24 21:57
DaemonFC	about a minute ago · Edited	May 24 21:57
DaemonFC	http://betanews.com/2014/05/20/china-bans-windows-8-from-government-pcs-with-twisted-logic-and-embraces-linux/	May 24 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com \| China bans Windows 8 from government PCs with twisted logic, and embraces Linux [ http://ur1.ca/hdhiq ]		May 24 21:57
DaemonFC	It's twisted that Windows _anything_ would be allowed on their computers at all.	May 24 21:57
DaemonFC	It's proprietary malware from a foreign company, with NSA spyware built-in.	May 24 21:57
DaemonFC	It _does_ require expensive hardware that is hardly energy efficient, and China does have energy generation problems.	May 24 21:57
DaemonFC	The software licensing costs for Windows, alone, will be in the billions of dollars, for all the computers that China's government uses. GNU/Linux costs nothing to license.	May 24 21:57
DaemonFC	The cost to license a single copy of Windows is more than the average Chinese worker makes in an entire month, by the way.	May 24 21:57
DaemonFC	GNU/Linux is more reliable and capable than Windows.	May 24 21:57
DaemonFC	Their PCs will be almost entirely free of malware.	May 24 21:57
DaemonFC	http://betanews.com/2014/05/24/i-am-working-exclusively-from-a-chromebook-heres-how-and-why/	May 24 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com \| I am working exclusively from a Chromebook -- here's how and why [ http://ur1.ca/hdhiw ]		May 24 21:58
DaemonFC	shared a link.	May 24 21:58
DaemonFC	5 minutes ago	May 24 21:58
DaemonFC	http://betanews.com/2014/05/23/microsoft-introduces-windows-8-1-with-bing-for-low-cost-devices/	May 24 21:58
DaemonFC	All five users of Windows for mobile devices, rejoice!? LOL	May 24 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com \| Microsoft introduces Windows 8.1 with Bing for low cost devices [ http://ur1.ca/hdhix ]		May 24 21:58
DaemonFC	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/deranged-santa-barbara-california-killer-tied-premeditated-youtube-video-reports-article-1.1804354	May 24 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nydailynews.com \| 'Sexually frustrated' Santa Barbara killer promised to 'kill as many people as possible' - NY Daily News [ http://ur1.ca/hdhja ]		May 24 21:59
DaemonFC	He killed a bunch of people because he couldn't get laid?	May 24 21:59
DaemonFC	He should have popped Grindr onto his phone. He'd have more dick than he knew what to do with.	May 24 21:59
DaemonFC	LOL	May 24 21:59
DaemonFC	He shot a bunch of stuck up rich white girls.	May 24 22:00
DaemonFC	Meh....	May 24 22:00
DaemonFC	Sorry, but they're a bunch of vapid soulless clones of one another anyway.	May 24 22:01
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DX9T6A4lsk&feature=kp	May 24 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Bill Hicks - Deficit (Jesse Helms) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hdhnc ]		May 24 22:09
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msb_	"rich white girls" are certainly not necessarily "vapid soulless clones".	May 24 23:31
msb_	Elliot Rodger, the murderer, was under treatment by several head doctors. I will bet 40 kwatloos that he was on some drug known to cause homicidal/suicidal behavior.	May 24 23:33
msb_	These mass gun shooters always turn out to have been on some psych drug, usually an SSRI. It comes out in the investigation.	May 24 23:37
cubezzz	quatloos :)	May 24 23:42
cubezzz	people wig out at school	May 24 23:46
cubezzz	extra pressure, mal-adjusted people can't handle it	May 24 23:48
cubezzz	I've seen it actually	May 24 23:49
cubezzz	I remember one guy during a math test, his brain just wasn't working right	May 24 23:49
cubezzz	he didn't get violent, he just kept hitting the same sequence of calculator buttons over and over	May 24 23:50
cubezzz	reading the transcipt that Elliot guy wrote though	May 24 23:56
cubezzz	that's big time mal-adjustment	May 24 23:56

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