IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: April 27th, 2014-May 3rd, 2014

MinceR	gn	Apr 27 00:19
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cubezzz	well hwinfo is definitely an eye opener	Apr 27 01:41
cubezzz	it can probe a ton of info	Apr 27 01:44
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gulag2014	Windows subscription model is on the horizon. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/the-inevitable-arrival-of-subscription-based-windows/?comments=1	Apr 27 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| The inevitable arrival of subscription-based Windows \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h6xzj ]		Apr 27 04:41
cubezzz	good	Apr 27 05:40
cubezzz	that will drive more folks off windows	Apr 27 05:40
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Sosumi	http://www.voltairenet.org/article183486.html	Apr 27 08:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org \| Blackstone and Jacob Rothschild, beneficiaries of Malaysia Airlines flight disappearance ? [ http://ur1.ca/h6z1e ]		Apr 27 08:17
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schestowitz__	Sosumi: sounds like bullshit	Apr 27 08:49
schestowitz__	I've just started reading some bits	Apr 27 08:49
Sosumi	it was just another view	Apr 27 08:50
schestowitz__	RT cited and some of the silly theories that the US had something to do with it	Apr 27 08:50
schestowitz__	Boeing messed up	Apr 27 08:50
schestowitz__	And they don't even know where	Apr 27 08:50
schestowitz__	Using the incident to interject some disdain for something in the west	Apr 27 08:51
Sosumi	others are saying that someone did it in order to get their hands on the freescale engineers that were on board of that plane	Apr 27 08:51
Sosumi	because of the renessas chip	Apr 27 08:52
Sosumi	as for me, I'm not familiar with airplane control and I've haven't yet had the time to look into it	Apr 27 08:52
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schestowitz	[11:01] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460350719925960704	Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz Might help Russia to weed out comments by NSA.		Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	[11:01] <schestowitz> well, that's anothr problem, government astroturfing	Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	[11:02] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/sumLucifer/status/460348947404320768	Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sumLucifer: @schestowitz @Nildam85 Campus activism should start with learning civics and history. NSA scoops up everything, always has. duh... 'Merka!		Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460348669040926720	Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz Good with power? Libya destroyed during her rein of terror		Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	Exactly, that was the goal. They showed Libya who the boss was. Sendign signal to M-E.	Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460343692566757377	Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Canadian Government’s ‘Secure’ Phones Come Straight from the #NSA http://t.co/EvjzN5ZLIi so Canada is working for the US now		Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.oodaloop.com \| OODA Loop - The Canadian Government's 'Secure' Phones Come Straight from the NSA		Apr 27 11:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460343459246002176	Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz: "Police shouldn’t be able to search people’s emails without a warrant" http://t.co/5QFBIuCsRk not terrorism-related		Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thehill.com \| Privacy backers looking for email protections \| TheHill		Apr 27 11:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460359609673596930	Apr 27 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz If she's elected I'm going to turn my back on America...		Apr 27 11:10
schestowitz	A whole continent?!	Apr 27 11:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460360706815442944	Apr 27 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz If US citizens continue to vote for rat bastards....then YES		Apr 27 11:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460361484858441728	Apr 27 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz sending the message to Iran that their next		Apr 27 11:39
schestowitz	They have them surrounded by US bases already. Soon in Syria too?	Apr 27 11:39
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swamyforpm/status/460366184865476608	Apr 27 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swamyforpm: @schestowitz @wikileaks U-turn https://t.co/BFMcgOoYO3 https://t.co/YhIXgQDd3E #WikiLeaks #YellowJournalism #YellowActivism		Apr 27 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: @Swamy39 Swamy provided political intelligence about election issues, but there's no evidence of being an agent. https://t.co/qgkWFzvAbl		Apr 27 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: #IndiaVotes2014: Best right wing perspective on @Swamy39 Indira Gandhi cable by @drankuag http://t.co/UAyKf0lwiM #india #WikiLeaks		Apr 27 11:40
schestowitz	http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1398579860310978.jpg	Apr 27 11:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460373873179910144	Apr 27 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz they gave up on Syria because of Russia now looks like they are targeting Ukraine instead		Apr 27 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft	Apr 27 12:17
TweetTuxMachines	cuts XP support http://t.co/W6c5BdzVnt	Apr 27 12:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h70bs	Apr 27 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft cuts XP support \| Tux Machines		Apr 27 12:17
MinceR	geekings	Apr 27 12:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460383209885532160	Apr 27 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz: Leon Panetta, former director of #cia : America's greatest threat is from within http://t.co/2fTb3xwr3n dissent as "terror"		Apr 27 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> billingsgazette.com \| Panetta: America's greatest threat is from within		Apr 27 12:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/460386061999697920	Apr 27 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz first hand I can say many other govts do respect law of nations and do NOT abuse their embassies the way the US does		Apr 27 13:02
schestowitz	Exceptionalism runs deep in the veins of some diplomats. "We meant well..."	Apr 27 13:02
Sosumi	of good intentions is hell filled	Apr 27 13:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/460389058309783552	Apr 27 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz the ends never justify the means...and too often the ends are horrific too		Apr 27 13:06
schestowitz	Not for the corporations, they klnow what's good for them	Apr 27 13:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460390381176520704	Apr 27 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: Causing a #Commotion MT @schestowitz: #usaid used 'social' network to destablise gov't. Could do same for anonymity. http://t.co/VtkG6hozLg		Apr 27 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thespec.com \| More Internet than the Internet		Apr 27 13:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/460390742956199936	Apr 27 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz a foreigner's opinion		Apr 27 13:45
schestowitz	No, check the polls. Only around 9% approval for Senate among US citizens.	Apr 27 13:46
schestowitz	http://www.taz.de/uploads/images/684x342/anwalt-assange.20110112-13.jpg	Apr 27 13:53
schestowitz	http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/interview/stallman-only-victims-of-tyranny-should-use-facebook-23600	Apr 27 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techweekeurope.co.uk \| Stallman: Only Victims Of Tyranny Should Use Facebook \| TechWeekEurope UK [ http://ur1.ca/h70s6 ]		Apr 27 13:55
schestowitz	"	Apr 27 13:56
schestowitz	Stallman supports WikiLeaks, despite accusations against Julian Assange: “Even if all the nasty things being said about Assange were true, I would still consider him a hero.”	Apr 27 13:56
schestowitz	He also said the “torture” of Bradley Manning, the soldier who allegedly supplied material to WikiLeaks, may be designed to implicate Assange and allow him to be extradited to the US.	Apr 27 13:56
schestowitz	He spoke against Facebook, saying in principle no one should use it because “abuse of personal information is Facebook’s business model”. However, since Facebook had a positive role in the Egyptian uprising, he would sanction its use “if you are living in a country with a tyrranical government.”	Apr 27 13:56
schestowitz	"	Apr 27 13:56
msb__	Sosumi: ?	Apr 27 14:03
schestowitz	stupid jheadline: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/julian-assange-punches-out-priest_n_5196551.html	Apr 27 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com \| Julian Assange Punches Out Priest On Easter Sunday [ http://ur1.ca/h70v5 ]		Apr 27 14:11
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/XkEME	Apr 27 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| Gun Questions: Round 9 ("Designed to kill?") - Imgur		Apr 27 14:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460407578317426689	Apr 27 14:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz How much should be the price of women's rights & the rule of law? #Assange should just be allowed to ignore assault complaints?		Apr 27 14:42
schestowitz	Assange is not besieged by British authorities because of women's rights but because of Wikileaks	Apr 27 14:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460410811589349376	Apr 27 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz she has to position herself, thus, if she's running		Apr 27 14:43
schestowitz	The threat to her is not GOP but "third party" candidates like Greens	Apr 27 14:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460410956603195393	Apr 27 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz I keep up with A LOT, following you. But even an #OptimisticPessimist sometimes needs a funny cat pic tweet from Snowden files		Apr 27 14:44
schestowitz	Sometimes I post cat pictures, but too much of it dilutes from important news :-)	Apr 27 14:45
schestowitz	I will post some "lighter" stuff for you	Apr 27 14:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gerge42/status/460413077373341696	Apr 27 14:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gerge42: @SandraEckersley @schestowitz U mean like Snowden ignores his extr.request? Snowden is free while JA is stuck in an embassy.		Apr 27 14:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/460413478457839616	Apr 27 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz disliking does not eliminate legitimacy, but there are no good guys on either side of the Bundy conflict		Apr 27 14:46
schestowitz	I don't like the pro-Bundy folks, but I think they're a symptom of true perception that money rules gov	Apr 27 14:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460415530437197824	Apr 27 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz agreed. Viz. Nader's run.		Apr 27 14:51
schestowitz	Nader has been thoroughly demonised. I think he'll find it hard now.	Apr 27 14:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417208905367552	Apr 27 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Yup. Cat pics mentioned at recent Sci for the People conf cc @samueljredman @limako @ColdWarScience @isaiah_thompson #SFtP14		Apr 27 14:57
schestowitz	http://t.co/CPY648LzEr	Apr 27 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-friendsofiris.wordpress.com \| #FriendsOfIRIS #Sustainability #YorkU \| Transparent \| Inclusive \| Accessible		Apr 27 14:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417422873604096	Apr 27 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Tnx! I need it to keep me positive as I deal with: http://t.co/CPY648LzEr		Apr 27 14:59
schestowitz	Knowing negatives doesn't need to keep one down. Not knowing the negatives should. Awareness leads to solutions.	Apr 27 15:00
schestowitz	The war on Net Neutrality (soft censorship) is a big negative but news sites everywhere cover it, so there's resistance. #sopa	Apr 27 15:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417829355810817	Apr 27 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Plus, isn't he really old? born February 27, 1934 (#Wikipedia)		Apr 27 15:01
schestowitz	I doubt he's that old. He looks 10 years younger.	Apr 27 15:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460418117009932288	Apr 27 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz OK, time to for me to stop #Faffing & get on with real work: grading final exams & finishing an annotated bibliography!		Apr 27 15:02
schestowitz	"Real world/work is indoctrination-imposed term that belittless what matters a lot, e.g. climate activism	Apr 27 15:03
msb__	The philosophy of Ayn Rand is the basis for much of libertarianism and conservatism. Here are some analyses of it -- interesting reading:	Apr 27 15:05
msb__	http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/23348-10-things-i-learned-about-the-world-from-ayn-rands-insane-atlas-shrugged	Apr 27 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readersupportednews.org \| 10 Things I Learned About the World from Ayn Rand's Insane 'Atlas Shrugged' [ http://ur1.ca/h715p ]		Apr 27 15:05
msb__	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/12/1119294/-Ryan-s-Hero-Ayn-Rand-Worshiped-A-Serial-Killing-Psychopath	Apr 27 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com \| Ryan's Hero, Ayn Rand, Worshiped A Serial Killing Psychopath! [ http://ur1.ca/h715x ]		Apr 27 15:06
msb__	http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/08/mark-ames-paul-ryans-guru-ayn-rand-worshipped-a-serial-killer-who-kidnapped-and-dismembered-little-girls.html	Apr 27 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com \| Mark Ames: Paul Ryan’s Guru Ayn Rand Worshipped a Serial Killer Who Kidnapped and Dismembered Little Girls \| naked capitalism [ http://ur1.ca/h7160 ]		Apr 27 15:07
schestowitz	http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif	Apr 27 15:13
schestowitz	msb__: heh	Apr 27 15:13
schestowitz	well, daily kos	Apr 27 15:13
schestowitz	dirt by association	Apr 27 15:14
MinceR	there's msb__'s favorite in the top left corner :>	Apr 27 15:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460421525292593152	Apr 27 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz LOL, try telling that to my students& publisher :) Anyhoo, they're all well versed in #ClimateChange science. #ProudProfessor		Apr 27 15:15
schestowitz	MinceR: LOL, not quite	Apr 27 15:15
schestowitz	he trusts Putin	Apr 27 15:15
schestowitz	Putin guards the oligarchs	Apr 27 15:15
schestowitz	so he's a Thatcherite perhaps	Apr 27 15:15
MinceR	you think he realizes that?	Apr 27 15:15
schestowitz	(Putin)	Apr 27 15:16
msb__	MinceR: top left corner of which page?	Apr 27 15:16
MinceR	161335 < schestowitz> http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif	Apr 27 15:16
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditMicrosoft favourited 'GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft...'		Apr 27 15:20
TweetTuxMachines	@Spock444 Baseboard morphs BeagleBone Black into 3.5-inch	Apr 27 15:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scoop.it \| Baseboard morphs BeagleBone Black into 3.5-inch...		Apr 27 15:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460422541476388864	Apr 27 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz IMO Nader looks young 'cos he's so active/activist. It's like moisturizer! Likewise, David Schindler & @DavidSuzuki in Canada.		Apr 27 15:20
msb__	I don't totally trust Putin, but he's trying to prevent the US from controlling the entire world by its military force, which is a very good thing. And he hasn't invaded other nations and slaughtered millions of people.	Apr 27 15:20
schestowitz	msb__: : scroll up	Apr 27 15:20
schestowitz	I didn't know Suzuki was almost 78, but Japanese have long lifespan and appearance different	Apr 27 15:21
schestowitz	msb__: has Obama??	Apr 27 15:22
msb__	But MinceR says Stalin is "my favorite". MinceR keeps lying about me, and his lies are easily refuted simply by quoting my previous remarks.	Apr 27 15:22
schestowitz	Putin has not been ruling Russia/USSR for a century	Apr 27 15:22
schestowitz	Obama inherits the major wars from Bush	Apr 27 15:22
msb__	schestowitz: Obama destroyed Libya.	Apr 27 15:23
msb__	... because it was socialist.	Apr 27 15:23
MinceR	he's trying to prevent the US from controlling the entire world by controlling the entire world himself	Apr 27 15:23
msb__	MinceR: You're lying again. What part of the entire world is Putin trying to control, other than the Eastern part of Ukraine?	Apr 27 15:24
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MinceR	georgia, for example	Apr 27 15:25
msb__	...which does not want to be controlled by the Nazis that the US has inflicted on Ukraine.	Apr 27 15:25
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MinceR	also, you keep defending communist dictatorships but Stalin is not your favorite	Apr 27 15:25
MinceR	cool story, bro.	Apr 27 15:25
msb__	MinceR: Georgia in what way?	Apr 27 15:25
MinceR	in the way that they invaded it.	Apr 27 15:26
MinceR	and putin is probably eyeing the baltic states and hungary now	Apr 27 15:26
schestowitz	!google lawsuit gorbachev	Apr 27 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Russian MPs seek to sue Gorbachev over USSR collapse ... - RT.com \| http://rt.com/politics/gorbachev-ussr-collapse-lawsuit-568/	Apr 27 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Russian MPs seek to sue Gorbachev over USSR collapse ... - RT.com \| http://rt.com/politics/gorbachev-ussr-collapse-lawsuit-568/comments/	Apr 27 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Russian dissident who copied the Gorbachev Foundation's archive ... \| http://english.hotnews.ro/stiri-top_news-6209804-russian-dissident-who-copied-the-gorbachev-foundations-archive-mitterrand-and-gorbachev-wanted-the-european-socialist-union-thatcher-opposed-germanys-reunification.htm	Apr 27 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Novaya Gazeta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Gazeta	Apr 27 15:30
schestowitz	So we know what Russian MPs want	Apr 27 15:31
schestowitz	I have to agree with MinceR on this	Apr 27 15:31
msb__	MinceR: Looks like that was the result of a conflict between parts of Georgia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Georgia_war	Apr 27 15:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Russo-Georgian war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h71bp ]		Apr 27 15:31
schestowitz	US is on the brink of debt-induced collapse	Apr 27 15:31
schestowitz	It almost went bust in Gaegan era	Apr 27 15:31
schestowitz	And Russia must be feelign like now is the time to make a move	Apr 27 15:32
MinceR	yeah, putin is good at making it look like they're merely helping russians out in internal conflicts	Apr 27 15:32
schestowitz	US alienated many allies	Apr 27 15:32
schestowitz	including many in Europe, not to mention east Asia, S America...	Apr 27 15:32
schestowitz	msb__: Russia invaded Georgia when US and UK invaded Iraq	Apr 27 15:33
MinceR	hitler was also good at this	Apr 27 15:33
schestowitz	They used it as (partly) an excuse	Apr 27 15:33
schestowitz	Israel did the same in Gaza	Apr 27 15:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460426133805477888	Apr 27 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @DavidSuzuki David Schindler b. 1940. I'm also inspired by lots of vibrant 70 & 80 yr old women!		Apr 27 15:34
msb__	Russia was helping South Ossetia repel attacks by Georgia.	Apr 27 15:34
MinceR	except south ossetia was a part of georgia	Apr 27 15:35
schestowitz	Appearance is not always indicative of health. 'Surgeries' help prove this. Longevity with AD not nice, either.	Apr 27 15:35
MinceR	but don't let the facts in the way of your communist dictatorship propaganda.	Apr 27 15:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/460426848539639808	Apr 27 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Canada has been a US property at least since 2006, and probably long before.		Apr 27 15:35
msb__	[04/25/14 07:29] <msb__> That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.	Apr 27 15:35
MinceR	also, post-communist dictatorship propaganda	Apr 27 15:35
MinceR	yeah, it's always somebody else's fault	Apr 27 15:36
schestowitz	Funny that US got Alaska to 'protect' Russia from the British.	Apr 27 15:36
MinceR	because stalin is a saint	Apr 27 15:36
schestowitz	I read somewhere that UK was OK with Hitler as a tool for keeping STalin at bay (at first)	Apr 27 15:37
schestowitz	But the source was not so reliable	Apr 27 15:37
MinceR	maybe they were more afraid of stalin than hitler at the time	Apr 27 15:37
msb__	MinceR lies that Stalin is "my favorite", even though I called Stalin a psychopath.	Apr 27 15:37
MinceR	and yet nothing stalin ever did was ever stalin's fault	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	YYou trust Putin	Apr 27 15:38
MinceR	funny how things work in your world.	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	Not Stalin	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	Putin was a KGB officer in USSR	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	So he's as bad as can be	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	He's the lawless in a lawless 'state'	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	He represents some of the most vicious things about USSR	Apr 27 15:39
msb__	MinceR is lying again by putting the words in my mouth "nothing stalin ever did was ever stalin's fault". I never said any such thing,	Apr 27 15:39
MinceR	yeah, you say it with different words	Apr 27 15:39
schestowitz	"Stalin is ma homeboy" - msb__	Apr 27 15:40
MinceR	like 163601 < msb__> [04/25/14 07:29] <msb__> That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.	Apr 27 15:40
*schestowitz draws tshirt mockups		Apr 27 15:40
MinceR	btw, afaik psychopathy begins in childhood and is not brought on by trauma	Apr 27 15:40
schestowitz	!google beated up stalin childhood	Apr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - July-August 1999: Stalin at Home - Harvard Magazine \| http://harvardmagazine.com/1999/07/right.stalin.html	Apr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Early life of Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_Stalin	Apr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Stalin, from Child to Bolshevik Leader: 1878 to 1922 - Macrohistory \| http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch11-5b.htm	Apr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Joseph Stalin - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com \| http://www.history.com/topics/joseph-stalin	Apr 27 15:40
MinceR	same with ASPD, iirc	Apr 27 15:40
schestowitz	Spanking of children very common in Germany	Apr 27 15:41
MinceR	it's also promoted by abrahamic religion	Apr 27 15:41
schestowitz	many that explains why Bush W and his dad were such assholes	Apr 27 15:41
MinceR	"spare the rod and spoil the child" or some evil bullshit like that	Apr 27 15:41
msb__	schestowitz: " <schestowitz> "Stalin is ma homeboy" - msb__" Maybe yours, Roy, not mine.	Apr 27 15:41
schestowitz	!google prescott bush hitler	Apr 27 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power \| World news ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar	Apr 27 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush	Apr 27 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Bush Family Funded Adolf Hitler - Rense \| http://www.rense.com/general40/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm	Apr 27 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Prescott Bush - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to Power ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTnHnjmCYjy4	Apr 27 15:41
schestowitz	msb__: joke, exaggeration to the laughabke	Apr 27 15:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460428365720473600	Apr 27 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Pls advise, what's AD? Yup, I'm a plant demographer: N=B-D+I-E. #DeathComesAsTheEnd, Agatha Christie.		Apr 27 15:42
schestowitz	Azheimer disease. Some people live long in near vegetative state; some are lucid in their 90s.	Apr 27 15:43
schestowitz	Alzheimer	Apr 27 15:43
schestowitz	Some look good and young (with help of 'surgeries') and die early (many examples), others look old and keep on going	Apr 27 15:44
msb__	MinceR: Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma. Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this.	Apr 27 15:47
msb__	Stalinist Russia	Apr 27 15:47
MinceR	that doesn't seem to fit with the definition of psychopathy at all	Apr 27 15:48
MinceR	and certainly not every civilian who suffers under a communist dictatorship becomes a psychopath	Apr 27 15:48
msb__	The definition is having no empathy nor conscience, and unjustifiedly harming others.	Apr 27 15:49
MinceR	the definition is a lot more than that.	Apr 27 15:49
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Other_characteristics	Apr 27 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Psychopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Apr 27 15:50
MinceR	if you're interested in psychopathy, i think The Mask of Sanity is a good read.	Apr 27 15:50
msb__	I'm talking about psychopathic behavior in an entire culture (which may not include everyone in that culture).	Apr 27 15:51
msb__	Psychopathy of the US culture results, not from trauma, but from intentional Bernaysian mind-control programming by ultra-wealthy US psychopaths.	Apr 27 15:53
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3992422	Apr 27 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Chicago is dismantling public schools against public opinion. This is part of the Gates/Broad attack on education. Teachers are blamed for poor performance when the real problem is poverty at home and starvation budgets for the school. In Chicago, they seem to be exploiting racism too. Public money is funneled into private hands in the name of serving the poor. http://www.alternet.org/education/despite-commun		Apr 27 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.alternet.org \| Chicago Pursuing School Privatization at Any Cost \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/h71h0 ]		Apr 27 15:57
msb__	Basically that means that part of the school budget money is removed and given to private school owners as profit,	Apr 27 16:00
schestowitz	http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/26/us-brings-europe-to-brink-of-war-over-ukraine-intentionally/	Apr 27 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nsnbc.me \| US brings Europe to Brink of War over Ukraine - Intentionally \| nsnbc international [ http://ur1.ca/h71hm ]		Apr 27 16:00
schestowitz	"Don’t, said a German analyst who reiterates that the US is systematically pushing Europe into a crisis for which the US has planned for decades."	Apr 27 16:00
msb__	Leaving less for teacher salaries, students' books, computers, etc.	Apr 27 16:00
msb__	In WWII, the US attacked socialist Russia by funding Hitler's Nazis. In 2014, the US is attacking Russia by funding Nazis in Ukraine,	Apr 27 16:02
schestowitz	"US" as in plutocrats?	Apr 27 16:03
schestowitz	Or German-Americans?	Apr 27 16:03
msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis	Apr 27 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Apr 27 16:03
msb__	plutocrats	Apr 27 16:03
schestowitz	I don't think you can geenralise like this	Apr 27 16:03
schestowitz	US means US public	Apr 27 16:03
schestowitz	US corporations means somethign else	Apr 27 16:03
msb__	Certain US ultra-wealthy provided 75% of the funding for Hitler's military buildup.	Apr 27 16:04
msb__	...in order to have Hitler kill off Socialism, which was threatening the profits of the ultra-wealthy.	Apr 27 16:06
MinceR	and you're saying all this in support of someone who is a dictator in cahoots with at least one christian cult, leading an invasion based on the same kind of casus belli hitler used	Apr 27 16:09
MinceR	funny	Apr 27 16:09
msb__	No, MinceR, I'm not saying it in support of anybody. Stop lying by attributing to me things I never said. I am saying all this in order to explain the reasons behind what happened.	Apr 27 16:12
MinceR	you keep lying in support of putin's conquest campaign.	Apr 27 16:12
msb__	What conquest campaign?	Apr 27 16:13
MinceR	the one that's currently ongoing against ukraine	Apr 27 16:13
msb__	That was started by a proxy attack by the US, using Ukrainian Nazis. Putin is trying to protect Ukrainians who don't want to be ruled by those Nazis.	Apr 27 16:15
MinceR	so you saay.	Apr 27 16:15
MinceR	s/aa/a/	Apr 27 16:15
msb__	So many analysts say. Do I have to find them for you?	Apr 27 16:15
MinceR	do you also claim that hitler invaded czechoslovakia to protect the germans there?	Apr 27 16:15
msb__	No.	Apr 27 16:15
MinceR	putin's entire echo chamber says that? good for him.	Apr 27 16:16
MinceR	so what makes putin or ukraine special?	Apr 27 16:16
msb__	MinceR is claiming that most of the alternative press is "putin's entire echo chamber".	Apr 27 16:16
MinceR	also, who will protect ukrainians who don't want to be ruled by putin?	Apr 27 16:17
msb__	The duly elected govt of Ukraine, until it was overthrown by the Nazis supported by the US.	Apr 27 16:18
MinceR	who was a puppet of putin	Apr 27 16:19
MinceR	also, there are and were many dictators who were "elected", including hitler	Apr 27 16:19
msb__	I don't know, but he was elected.	Apr 27 16:19
MinceR	yeah, just like your favorite communist dictators keep getting "reelected"	Apr 27 16:19
MinceR	in races where nobody else is allowed to run	Apr 27 16:19
MinceR	but this is to be expected of someone who opposes democracy	Apr 27 16:20
msb__	Well, elections by a fully informed citizenry is the best that can be done.	Apr 27 16:20
MinceR	there are plenty more criteria for a fair election.	Apr 27 16:20
MinceR	also, are you saying that ukrainians were fully informed when they elected yanukovych?	Apr 27 16:20
msb__	MinceR: Were other candidates prevented from running in the Ukraine election?	Apr 27 16:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460434674620190720	Apr 27 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Neuroscience advances r amazing. Improved understanding of dynamic feedbacks are strengthening linkages to ecosystem theory :)		Apr 27 16:21
MinceR	i don't know	Apr 27 16:21
MinceR	but as far as i know, there were plenty of issues in ukraine before	Apr 27 16:22
msb__	MinceR: Then don't imply they were if you don't know.	Apr 27 16:22
MinceR	do you know?	Apr 27 16:22
MinceR	also, in many of the states you advertise here regularly, other candidates _are_ prevented from running.	Apr 27 16:22
MinceR	and that's what i was commenting on.	Apr 27 16:22
msb__	As to being fully informed, Ukraine has socialists, nazis, and centrists, so between their various news sources the public must have had access to the entire political spectrum.	Apr 27 16:25
MinceR	except that didn't even work for hungary.	Apr 27 16:25
MinceR	bbl	Apr 27 16:26
MinceR	re	Apr 27 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux as a replacement for Windows	Apr 27 17:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CGAy2bdCTs	Apr 27 17:38
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3991470	Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MSNBC's Chris Hayes calls Bundy ranch supporters 'insurgents' http://www.examiner.com/article/msnbc-s-chris-hayes-calls-bundy-ranch-supporters-insurgents characterising them like "terrorists"		Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	"	Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.examiner.com \| MSNBC's Chris Hayes calls Bundy ranch supporters 'insurgents' - Spokane Conservative \| Examiner.com [ http://ur1.ca/h72xe ]		Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	'anyone to the right of Josef Stalin'?	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	I guess.... Image/photo	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	"	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	It's a handy image	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3991855	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	"Money is power everywhere..."	Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #zuckerberg a politician (or political force) because money is power in the US http://kiwaradio.com/local-news/congressman-king-targeted-by-amnesty-ads-financed-by-facebooks-mark-zuckerberg/ https://www.numbersusa.com/news/boehner-mocks-house-republican-concerns-over-amnesty		Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> kiwaradio.com \| Congressman King Targeted By Amnesty Ads Financed By Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg \| KIWARadio.com [ http://ur1.ca/h72xs ]		Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.numbersusa.com \| Boehner Mocks House Republican Concerns Over Amnesty \| NumbersUSA [ http://ur1.ca/h72xu ]		Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	"And power becomes corruption..."	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	Some systems put barriers in place, whereas SCOTUS rubberstamps the corruption into law (see recent court case)	Apr 27 20:10
schestowitz__	> http://mrpogson.com/2014/04/26/surface-loses/	Apr 27 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com \| Surface Loses \| Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/h72zt ]		Apr 27 20:14
schestowitz__	Article posted about it earlier. I wonder how long Enronsoft can go on for...	Apr 27 20:14
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3993573	Apr 27 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pretty soon, we could all be using the Dark Net http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/jamiebartlett/100013293/pretty-soon-we-could-all-be-using-the-dark-net/ #tor		Apr 27 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.telegraph.co.uk \| Pretty soon, we could all be using the Dark Net – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/h72vs ]		Apr 27 20:31
schestowitz__	"HAHAHA... Perfect analogy Chris. I2p is a darknet."	Apr 27 20:31
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3992404	Apr 27 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #europe 's #nuclear #risks. http://europeangreens.eu/nuclear		Apr 27 20:35
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schestowitz__	"That would need us to drop nuclear power completely. I hope it will happen, but I don't believe in humanity anymoer, as it failed me many times. Humanity acts in illogical way, completely discarding any foreseeing, acting without any imagination. Short-term benefits make humanity blind and deaf on the risk."	Apr 27 20:35
schestowitz__	"Russia wants a war. Look how close they put their country to our troops!"	Apr 27 20:36
MinceR	http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2023393433_apxrussiaputin.html	Apr 27 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-seattletimes.com \| Putin admits Crimea troops were his, calls east Ukraine 'new Russia' \| Nation & World \| The Seattle Times [ http://ur1.ca/h73cu ]		Apr 27 21:03
Sosumi	he'd would have been smarter and more historically accurate then if he had called ukraine "little russia"	Apr 27 21:08
Sosumi	or russinia	Apr 27 21:08
MinceR	:>	Apr 27 21:08
schestowitz__	MinceR: can we trust the source though?	Apr 27 21:36
MinceR	dunno	Apr 27 21:36
schestowitz__	Putin's press versus Wall Streeet's (Bloomberg)	Apr 27 21:36
schestowitz__	Sounds like propaganda to me	Apr 27 21:36
schestowitz__	not just because of the source but because it conflcts with other things I read	Apr 27 21:36
schestowitz__	just more infowars	Apr 27 21:37
MinceR	there's probably video of it	Apr 27 21:37
schestowitz__	!google hillary clinton information war losing	Apr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Hillary Clinton: US Losing Information War to Alternative Media ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DLyjnEm8DZkI	Apr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Who Does Hillary Think is Losing the Information War? - The Rush ... \| http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/02/21/who_does_hillary_think_is_losing_the_information_war	Apr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Sec. of State Hillary Clinton: Al Jazeera is 'Real News', U.S. Losing ... \| http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/03/sec-of-state-hillary-clinton-al-jazeera-is-real-news-us-losing-information-war/	Apr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Hillary Clinton: 'America Is Losing' An Information War That 'Al ... \| http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-clinton-claims-al-jazeera-is-winning-an-information-war-that-america-is-losing/	Apr 27 21:37
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schestowitz__	I think she also commended Russia Today	Apr 27 21:37
schestowitz__	Can't recall if it was her	Apr 27 21:38
schestowitz__	I think people turn to such channels now because they can trust these more than the corporations'	Apr 27 21:38
schestowitz__	MinceR: it's an AP report actually	Apr 27 21:39
schestowitz__	i studied who runs it a while back, and Reuters	Apr 27 21:39
MinceR	i mean, video of putin saying whatever	Apr 27 21:39
schestowitz__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press	Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__	"Headquarters New York City, New York, U.S."	Apr 27 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Associated Press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73kg ]		Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__	I remembered this correctlu	Apr 27 21:40
Sosumi	aren't reuters and AP owned by the same dudes?	Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__	income and revenue down for AP	Apr 27 21:41
schestowitz__	people go elsewhere for info	Apr 27 21:41
schestowitz__	and papers that license APT articles go under or lose readers to blogs and stuff, I gues	Apr 27 21:41
schestowitz__	AP pretends to be intl'	Apr 27 21:41
schestowitz__	cooperative	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	but it's steered from Wall Str.	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	and as my wife reads AP every day I can easily see their bias	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	US deaths count more	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	and most of thr world is not even front page material	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	So to expect US favouritism and acceptance (blind) of US conquest is natural	Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__	"they meant well..."	Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__	Good guys	Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__	"Cutbacks at longtime U.S. rival United Press International, most significantly in 1993, left the AP as the primary nationally oriented news service based in the United States, although UPI still produces and distributes news stories and photos daily. Other English-language news services, such as Reuters and the English-language service of Agence France-Presse, are based outside the United States."	Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AP_headquarters.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_associated_press_building_in_new_york_city.jpg	Apr 27 21:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| File:The associated press building in new york city.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73ll ]		Apr 27 21:44
schestowitz__	Not news from the people for the people by the people	Apr 27 21:44
schestowitz__	news from corporations, billionaires etc.	Apr 27 21:44
MinceR	gn	Apr 27 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Six clicks: Great tips and tricks for Android	Apr 27 23:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine 1.7.17 released http://t.co/R97lCBXB47	Apr 27 23:19
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_Goblin	schestowitz__, just heard the show...great stuff but you need to take the bass out of my voice a little....	Apr 27 23:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Re-sort KDE control modules	Apr 28 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qN9lmxT4o3	Apr 28 00:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Re-sort KDE control modules \| Tux Machines		Apr 28 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat: Certain To Grow With Rising Linux	Apr 28 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	Acceptance http://t.co/ifka7uY6mc	Apr 28 00:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft will continue to sell Nokia Android	Apr 28 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	phones http://t.co/QL2wrIUEHg	Apr 28 00:44
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460549451711393792 https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460549968529354753	Apr 28 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz Rubbish. Totally invented. There are no charges bought against #Assange for anything published by #Wikileaks. Fact.		Apr 28 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz Every major publishing house has said they would help defend #Assange if he was ever charged over his publishing. No charges.		Apr 28 01:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel's P-State Driver Is Getting Better Tuned	Apr 28 04:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Driving sustainable innovation in Governments	Apr 28 07:59
TweetTuxMachines	with Open Source http://t.co/FGfDUzhe4p	Apr 28 07:59
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MinceR	geekings	Apr 28 09:12
schestowitz__	https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_eae6fb993cc93abedde4.jpg	Apr 28 09:15
schestowitz__	MinceR: http://c3.likes-media.com/img/ed6eaa768c2805d1f5cd0001b67592d2.600x.gif	Apr 28 10:21
schestowitz__	pussy https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_afdeb0eb86a4221ce9c8.jpg SFW	Apr 28 10:22
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Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/28/apple-regains-market-iphone5s-sales/	Apr 28 11:08
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Sosumi	blackberry kaput and windblows phone still trying to catch a favourable wind current	Apr 28 11:08
schestowitz__	in some countries	Apr 28 11:08
schestowitz__	lying with stats	Apr 28 11:09
schestowitz__	like calling out only stats in US	Apr 28 11:09
schestowitz__	as MS likes to do	Apr 28 11:09
schestowitz__	Apple too, I guess, or in japan	Apr 28 11:09
Sosumi	arrh it is like you're making android the divine god given mobile OS and the iphone os the devil	Apr 28 11:10
Sosumi	both are crap	Apr 28 11:10
Sosumi	the only version of android I'd touch would only be the open source one	Apr 28 11:11
Sosumi	free of the google snooping junk	Apr 28 11:11
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3996523	Apr 28 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #macrumors and other pro-Apple sites: finding angles to make positive-sounding #apple news even when the news is generally bad		Apr 28 11:11
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3996528	Apr 28 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ArsTechnica - couldn't be Arsed to actually #research #microsoft facts, so instead appointed a Microsoft prop to push Microsoft agenda		Apr 28 11:11
Sosumi	it is just some number to ponder about	Apr 28 11:11
schestowitz__	Sosumi: you can run FOSS on Android	Apr 28 11:12
schestowitz__	!google apple store gpl	Apr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Mac App Store - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_App_Store	Apr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - The GPL, the App Store, and you \| Breaking Apple News, Tips and ... \| http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/09/the-gpl-the-app-store-and-you/	Apr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - No GPL Apps for Apple's App Store \| ZDNet \| http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/8046	Apr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Why Is There No Version of Pidgin for iOS in the App Store? \| https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/WhyNoiOSVersion	Apr 28 11:12
schestowitz__	We use Firefox on Android for instance	Apr 28 11:12
schestowitz__	Although my wife starts preferring Chrome, unfortunately	Apr 28 11:12
schestowitz__	Also, many android phones can be modded and reflashed	Apr 28 11:13
schestowitz__	Apple makes it harder to even remove the batteries (surveillance even when turned off)	Apr 28 11:13
Sosumi	of the popular android phones around only the samsung lets you remove the battery	Apr 28 11:14
schestowitz__	hmmm... I didn't see many others	Apr 28 11:14
Sosumi	so for other manufacturers, HTC, LG...	Apr 28 11:14
schestowitz__	Maybe you're right, I didn't check	Apr 28 11:14
schestowitz__	All models?	Apr 28 11:14
Sosumi	all the high end for sure	Apr 28 11:14
schestowitz__	That's freaky weird	Apr 28 11:14
Sosumi	try to remove the battery on the nexus 5	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	I wonder if the FCC et al. will start pushing for this as 'standard'	Apr 28 11:15
Sosumi	or the htc one	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	the two mobile I used to use sometimes (bought anonymously) made it easy to remove the batts quickly	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	With Nexus 7 it's hard, but it's a tablet	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	gtg	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	bbl	Apr 28 11:15
Sosumi	can't remove the battery on the LG G2 either	Apr 28 11:16
msb__	Doesn't the android OS do all sorts of things that the user may need to modify, thus need the source code of the OS and the ability to alter the OS image in the phone/tablet?	Apr 28 11:17
msb__	Such as communication with USB devices.	Apr 28 11:17
Sosumi	it can because google provides the source code, but then comes issues like drivers, optimization and so on	Apr 28 11:18
Sosumi	or features that as custom to specific maker and enabled only on his fork	Apr 28 11:19
Sosumi	like blinking leds	Apr 28 11:19
msb__	Right, you would need full info like you get with a GNU/Linux system.	Apr 28 11:19
Sosumi	that is why the best phones for such endeavours have been the nexus lines	Apr 28 11:20
Sosumi	they're just "simple"	Apr 28 11:20
Sosumi	there's also a manufacturer who sell cyanmogen mod flashed phones	Apr 28 11:21
Sosumi	I think it is called 1 plus one	Apr 28 11:21
Sosumi	http://oneplus.net/	Apr 28 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oneplus.net \| Home - OnePlus.net		Apr 28 11:22
msb__	Lots of additional features: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod	Apr 28 11:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Development Of Ubuntu 14.10 Has Already	Apr 28 11:35
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msb__	Sosumi: The OnePlus is interesting, but there's a lot of commercial hype in its website.	Apr 28 11:40
Sosumi	yeah	Apr 28 11:41
Sosumi	I noticed that	Apr 28 11:41
Sosumi	just wait and see	Apr 28 11:41
msb__	And it doesn't say whether the thing is open source or not.	Apr 28 11:41
Sosumi	probably asstechnica will review it or something	Apr 28 11:41
msb__	...or to what extent.	Apr 28 11:41
MinceR	Sosumi: the point is that android is _less_ crap than most of the others :>	Apr 28 11:41
MinceR	in many areas of IT, we can't help but settle for 'less crap'	Apr 28 11:42
Sosumi	aka, this turd smells less bad than the other	Apr 28 11:42
Sosumi	open source android is the way to go	Apr 28 11:43
Sosumi	but I'm not sure how's the deal with stores	Apr 28 11:44
Sosumi	or so to say if there's something similar to the ubuntu way of browsing software there	Apr 28 11:44
MinceR	https://ribanc.com/files/10314513_10203491704150423_3394958408642256854_n.jpg	Apr 28 11:49
MinceR	Sosumi: f-droid	Apr 28 11:50
Sosumi	FUBARing droid	Apr 28 11:51
Sosumi	it goes in and everything gets f'ed up beyond any recognition	Apr 28 11:52
Sosumi	just bits and pieces	Apr 28 11:52
MinceR	124141 < Sosumi> probably asstechnica will review it or something	Apr 28 11:57
MinceR	and then say "this is not a hypePhone, so it sucks"?	Apr 28 11:57
MinceR	or only index.hu does that every single time?	Apr 28 11:57
Sosumi	"asstechnica"	Apr 28 11:58
Sosumi	"ASStechnica"!	Apr 28 11:58
MinceR	arse technica	Apr 28 11:59
Sosumi	:)	Apr 28 11:59
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Sosumi	https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/460653370420649984	Apr 28 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NinaByzantina: If you see #Putin everywhere, it might be good to visit a psychiatrist. ;) \| Паранойя зашкаливает: пора к психиатору. http://t.co/20xoxEMRgv		Apr 28 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NinaByzantina: If you see #Putin everywhere, it might be good to visit a psychiatrist. ;) \| Паранойя зашкаливает: пора к психиатору. http://t.co/20xoxEMRgv		Apr 28 13:42
Sosumi	dalai lama on the top with his mysticism and superstition is better	Apr 28 13:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta Release	Apr 28 14:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Polishing the Rare Gem That Is Linux	Apr 28 14:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Polishing the Rare Gem That Is Linux \| Tux Machines		Apr 28 14:13
msb__	Sosumi: Are you there?	Apr 28 14:24
Sosumi	I'am now	Apr 28 14:25
msb__	Cartoon Network showed the next to the last episode of Ghost in the Shell SAC first season Sunday morning.	Apr 28 14:27
msb__	There is a fair amount of philosophy in it. Motoko realizes that some of the tachikomas sacrificed themselves to save Batou's life. (Section 9 is being attacked by a corrupt branch of govt that Section 9 exposed.)	Apr 28 14:28
msb__	She thinks that maybe the tachikomas have developed ghosts, and wished she'd paid more attention to that before.	Apr 28 14:29
Sosumi	the tachikomas had developed personalities of their own	Apr 28 14:30
Sosumi	aka, they became differentiated	Apr 28 14:30
Sosumi	and the synching of information between them no longer guaranteed that the robots would behave the same	Apr 28 14:30
msb__	Yes, although they shared some of the personalities, because they frequently connected with one another.	Apr 28 14:31
Sosumi	to contribute to that was also Batou's attachment for a particular tachikoma	Apr 28 14:31
msb__	And they loved the "natural oil" that he have them.	Apr 28 14:31
Sosumi	yeah	Apr 28 14:31
msb__	But regardless of the differentiation or similarity of their personalities, they had developed ghosts -- consciousness.	Apr 28 14:32
msb__	They were not robots anymore, but synthetic people.	Apr 28 14:32
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 14:33
Sosumi	that is what "ghost" means consciousness, intuition, built on past experiences from situations, books and in general, life	Apr 28 14:34
msb__	Also Motoko and Batou were talking about how they each used physical objects -- she a wristwatch and he his (useless) weight-training equipment -- to remind themselves, or prove to themselves, that they were still people, even though they were fully cyberized, in synthetic bodies.	Apr 28 14:35
Sosumi	just because their bodies are made of inorganic matter doesn't mean that it wouldn't be alive	Apr 28 14:35
msb__	yes	Apr 28 14:35
Sosumi	it is memento of whom they were	Apr 28 14:36
msb__	Thus ghosts in the metallic shell.	Apr 28 14:36
Sosumi	if they had been born mechanical in the first place	Apr 28 14:36
Sosumi	they wouldn't have felt that way	Apr 28 14:36
msb__	Unless, like the tachikomas, they had evolved to it.	Apr 28 14:37
Sosumi	yes, but tachikomas wouldn't feel the need for such mementos	Apr 28 14:37
MinceR	http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1992.html	Apr 28 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geekculture.com \| The Joy of Tech comic... Net Neutrality walks into a bar... [ http://ur1.ca/h795o ]		Apr 28 14:37
MinceR	no plastic?	Apr 28 14:38
Sosumi	meh plastic	Apr 28 14:38
Sosumi	gief carbon nanotube	Apr 28 14:38
Sosumi	when crapple builds an hypephone out of that, I'll buy one	Apr 28 14:39
Sosumi	so I caqn flash it with open source android	Apr 28 14:39
msb__	In the 1995 GITS movie, Motoko pulls so hard on the hatch of a tank that she tears her skin, and reveals the mechanical parts underneath.	Apr 28 14:40
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 14:40
Sosumi	the lesson of the 1995 movie is that randomness is what keeps the things flowing	Apr 28 14:41
Sosumi	that was why motoko got togusa which is basically human out of the police	Apr 28 14:41
msb__	How so?	Apr 28 14:41
MinceR	carbon nanotubes are organic, aren't they?	Apr 28 14:41
Sosumi	to enter an element of randomness on the team of overspecialized and augmented members	Apr 28 14:42
MinceR	Sosumi: when crApple has Foxconn build a hypePhone out of carbon nanotubes, all their competitors will already have such products	Apr 28 14:42
msb__	MinceR: Yes, in that they are CHON, but they are not alive.	Apr 28 14:42
MinceR	neither are plastics	Apr 28 14:42
MinceR	and yet they're organic as well	Apr 28 14:42
Sosumi	and that the bodie is merely a vehicle for the mind	Apr 28 14:42
Sosumi	and what matters is the continuance of that same mind	Apr 28 14:42
Sosumi	also to ensure survivability the puppeteer chooses to merge with motoko	Apr 28 14:42
Sosumi	because merely copying himself over and over again would only lead to the stagnation of himself	Apr 28 14:43
Sosumi	and the change for him to be wiped clean	Apr 28 14:43
Sosumi	think of it on the same lines of animal diversity	Apr 28 14:43
msb__	Right, and, yes, he says that variability -- randomness -- is necessary to avoid stagnation.	Apr 28 14:43
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 14:44
Sosumi	carbon is organic	Apr 28 14:44
msb__	The word "organic" has two different meanings. In chemistry, it's compounds comprised of CHON, but elsewhere it means "alive" -- product of DNA, enzymes, etc.	Apr 28 14:45
MinceR	what's alive?	Apr 28 14:46
Sosumi	I am	Apr 28 14:46
Sosumi	what about you?	Apr 28 14:46
Sosumi	:P	Apr 28 14:46
MinceR	"Life is a characteristic distinguishing objects having signaling and self-sustaining processes from those that do not"	Apr 28 14:46
MinceR	it doesn't say anywhere that, say, a nanomachine couldn't be alive :>	Apr 28 14:46
msb__	Reproduction is another characteristic of being alive.	Apr 28 14:50
MinceR	which is yet another thing machines could be capable of	Apr 28 14:51
MinceR	grey goo, for example :>	Apr 28 14:51
msb__	So Motoko merges with the Puppet Master in the 1995 movie, who did have a synthetic origin. He was an AI created by some govt as a weapon, but evolved to consciousness in the Net.	Apr 28 14:51
Sosumi	it was built for edging international affairs	Apr 28 14:52
msb__	And in SAC season 2, she merges with the cyberized guy who was helping the refugees.	Apr 28 14:52
Sosumi	that was probably why it was so versed in philosophy	Apr 28 14:52
Sosumi	no idea about SAC2	Apr 28 14:53
Sosumi	I'm not fan of those series	Apr 28 14:53
Sosumi	in the movies is where the magic is	Apr 28 14:54
msb__	So you said. That's why I mentioned the philosophizing in that episode of SAC1. It's worth watching!	Apr 28 14:54
Sosumi	it is light philosophy, nothing special	Apr 28 14:54
msb__	Motoko remembers her childhood in SAC2.	Apr 28 14:55
Sosumi	I had read all that before in other books	Apr 28 14:55
msb__	Anyhow, I found a copy of Patlabor 1 and am about halfway through it. It's pretty good. I haven't found Patlabor 2 yet.	Apr 28 14:57
msb__	Thanks for suggesting them.	Apr 28 14:57
Sosumi	what goes on in gits has been written by Liebnitz, aristotle, plato, bertrand russel, norbert wiener, etc.	Apr 28 14:57
Sosumi	just go to kickass torrents	Apr 28 14:57
msb__	Yes, but it	Apr 28 14:57
Sosumi	the two movies are there	Apr 28 14:57
msb__	's much more fun in anime'!	Apr 28 14:58
msb__	Not Patlabor 2 dubbed, that I've found so far.	Apr 28 14:58
Sosumi	it is subbed	Apr 28 14:58
msb__	I don't like subtitles.	Apr 28 14:58
Sosumi	lol	Apr 28 14:58
msb__	Anyhow, nothing seeded in kat.	Apr 28 15:01
msb__	So what's your idea about why Motoko likes to work naked? I have three theories: 1. the thermoptic camo works better that way 2. she enjoys being a girl 3. fan service!	Apr 28 15:06
Sosumi	camo with fan service	Apr 28 15:07
Sosumi	and to make it look "adult"	Apr 28 15:07
msb__	Works for me!	Apr 28 15:08
msb__	An interesting thing I've noticed about anime's is that the characters aren't drawn with the epicanthic fold. They don't look Asian!	Apr 28 15:12
Sosumi	on ghost in the shell?	Apr 28 15:12
msb__	In any of them that I've seen. Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Inuyasha, to name the more famous ones.	Apr 28 15:13
Sosumi	no idea	Apr 28 15:14
msb__	I don't know if they're aiming for the US market, or if the creators don't like that facial feature themselves, which would be weird.	Apr 28 15:15
MinceR	or it's just extra complexity which would slow down drawing	Apr 28 15:16
MinceR	and wouldn't help with facial expressions	Apr 28 15:16
msb__	maybe	Apr 28 15:17
msb__	In GITS and Inuyasha, the locale is explicitly Japan.	Apr 28 15:19
Sosumi	gits is in a fictional "new port city"	Apr 28 15:20
Sosumi	after a war	Apr 28 15:21
msb__	But it is in Japan. At least the SAC series is.	Apr 28 15:21
msb__	And the faces are drawn fairly accurately, to look human, not cartoonish. But no folds.	Apr 28 15:23
msb__	I saw a movie a long time ago which had a woman getting, or wanting, plastic surgery to remove the fold, and the conflict this caused with her boyfriend.	Apr 28 15:30
MinceR	(javascript) http://alexnisnevich.github.io/untrusted/	Apr 28 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alexnisnevich.github.io \| Untrusted - a user javascript adventure game [ http://ur1.ca/h79hk ]		Apr 28 15:30
msb__	... who was maybe a US soldier/sailor? William Holden?	Apr 28 15:31
msb__	OK, a game in which you have to actually write javascript in order to play! Weird!	Apr 28 15:37
msb__	Sosumi: How about WXIII Patlabor the Movie 3? Is that one good?	Apr 28 15:41
Sosumi	it is ok	Apr 28 15:54
Sosumi	about synthetic biology	Apr 28 15:54
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msb__	Sosumi: Thanks!	Apr 28 16:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 143 French politicians pledge to support free	Apr 28 16:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux to the rescue! How Ubuntu can help a	Apr 28 16:14
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460681608362594304/photo/1	Apr 28 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: To the Record Industry Assoc. of America: @seeved @_goblin @schestowitz http://t.co/rVgQMmVy1t		Apr 28 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: To the Record Industry Assoc. of America: @seeved @_goblin @schestowitz http://t.co/rVgQMmVy1t		Apr 28 17:34
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460662905310945282	Apr 28 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @_Goblin @schestowitz great podcast Games could be made into free software if the concept of @Bittunes works out http://t.co/7RYayMwCw6		Apr 28 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bittunes.org \| bittunes… an independent digital music market - bittunes.org		Apr 28 17:41
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460677478856404992 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460675209150746624 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460674403937050624 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/46067358229765734	Apr 28 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes those that destroy talent for profit & set a artist status quo @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz major labels, publishers, rights collectors, intermediaries, aggregators, (a bloated value chain)		Apr 28 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes the middle men rec agencys? @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 17:44
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460673582297657344	Apr 28 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: and all the other pigs with their heads in the trough, go hungry... #disintermediation @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 17:45
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460671119851155456 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460669327562539008 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460663280961191936	Apr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: That's the idea... Both profit. "@SEEVed: @bittunes It looks like a model that will work for Users & Creators @_Goblin @schestowitz"		Apr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes It looks like a model that will work for Users & Creators @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz lots of potential.. But slowly slowly catch the monkey.		Apr 28 17:46
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460669327562539008	Apr 28 17:47
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460673582297657344 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460674403937050624 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460675209150746624 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460677478856404992	Apr 28 17:48
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	3 minutes ago	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1404_encryption&num=1	Apr 28 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] The Performance Impact Of Linux Disk Encryption On Ubuntu 14.04 LTS [ http://ur1.ca/h7b1r ]		Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	LUKS is pretty easy to set up on Ubuntu. All you need to do, really, is check "set up LVM" and "encrypt my partitions" (or something to that effect), and then enter a strong password.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	Pretty much everyone that takes their laptop with them through an international customs checkpoint or onto an airplane with them should do this. ICE and the TSA have a nasty habit of flipping open your laptop and searching it and/or copying all your files.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	Alarmingly, the Supreme Court has let them get away with this, even when they don't have probable cause or a warrant to search you.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	If your entire disk is encrypted with LUKS and you have a strong password, they're not going to get anything off of it.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	Windows, on the other hand, says you can use full disk encryption, but Microsoft gave most governments backdoors that instantly decrypt your hard drive.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	schestowitz, What those videos that tell you what to say to the police don't tell you is that by saying any of that, you basically might as well be saying "Officer, please beat me up and then spend an hour tearing through my car, then make it legal later because the judge is an asshole, and throw in a resisting arrest charge as well, please."	Apr 28 19:37
DaemonFC	Saying anything other than the bare minimum that you legally have to to the police or filling out a "statement" of any kind is a really awful idea.	Apr 28 19:39
DaemonFC	When they say they want your side of the story, what they really mean is that they want you to talk, and they're hoping that you can give them some more damning information that they can use against you later. They're not looking to "be fair" about anything at all.	Apr 28 19:39
DaemonFC	The Indiana legal system is turning into something like those courts they have in China.	Apr 28 19:40
DaemonFC	Anyone who goes there is guilty by default, and the more you protest, the more guilty you must be.	Apr 28 19:40
DaemonFC	Although, I did have one friend that managed to go in there without a lawyer after wisely shutting the hell up during the whole process, and the state's case fell apart because they really had no evidence at all. I was shocked, because I've really never seen anyone go in there for anything without a lawyer and walk back out without shackles.	Apr 28 19:42
DaemonFC	I don't think that the system is as racist as people say it is, at least not directly. It treats POOR PEOPLE like shit, and it might be indirectly racist because more black people tend to be poor.	Apr 28 19:43
DaemonFC	Meanwhile, there was that rich white CEO that beat up his girlfriend over 100 times and then complained that he had to pay a $500 fine.	Apr 28 19:44
DaemonFC	It really is a system of inferior justice for the poor.	Apr 28 19:45
DaemonFC	If he had been making $20,000 a year and living in a trailer, he would have gotten a felony and a number of years in prison.	Apr 28 19:45
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Sosumi	luckily or not	Apr 28 21:55
Sosumi	I've had a test machine running windows 8.1 for 20 days non stop	Apr 28 21:56
DaemonFC	http://mashable.com/2014/04/28/microsoft-nadella-path-bug-xp/	Apr 28 21:56
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Sosumi	while learning my ways around VS and getting to know the whole .net crap	Apr 28 21:57
MinceR	...by closing shop.	Apr 28 21:57
DaemonFC	So, basically, there are millions of Windows XP systems out there that can all be taken over with this one bug.	Apr 28 21:57
Sosumi	with no issues nor any erratic behavior	Apr 28 21:57
Sosumi	the same I can't tell about a osx machine I have which starts displaying erratic behavior just after 3 days	Apr 28 21:58
Sosumi	or not clearing the ram	Apr 28 21:58
MinceR	someone mentioned that there are other well known unfixed bugs as well	Apr 28 21:58
MinceR	older ones, too	Apr 28 21:58
Sosumi	the IE zero day thing?	Apr 28 21:59
MinceR	yes	Apr 28 21:59
Sosumi	there was also a flash 0 day patch released today	Apr 28 21:59
MinceR	flash should also hurry up and die	Apr 28 21:59
Sosumi	yep because no tablet or phone supports it	Apr 28 21:59
MinceR	and because it sucks	Apr 28 22:00
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 22:00
MinceR	and because it's made by idiots who have no hope of ever making anything that does not suck	Apr 28 22:00
Sosumi	:)	Apr 28 22:00
Sosumi	ok one issue with the winblows machine	Apr 28 22:01
Sosumi	just discovered it now	Apr 28 22:01
Sosumi	after certain point, windows fails to automatically lock the issue	Apr 28 22:02
Sosumi	as I had it configured	Apr 28 22:02
sebsebseb	Sosumi: MinceR deam unforutnaty swithing these old WIndows XP machines over to LInux, is not always so simle nwo	Apr 28 22:03
sebsebseb	upstream have messed things up	Apr 28 22:03
sebsebseb	there's issues with isolinux syslinux whatever it was cuasing boot up probems	Apr 28 22:03
MinceR	no cd/dvd boot support?	Apr 28 22:04
sebsebseb	at least Mageia is trying to get such issues fixed for a Mageia 4.1 release, but I still haven't just been able to test iso'S for that on an old XP computer here, becuase of isuses with burners uh	Apr 28 22:04
DaemonFC	MinceR, The problem here is that Microsoft will patch this, but that the patch won't be publicly released, through official channels at least.	Apr 28 22:04
sebsebseb	MinceR: yes loads of verisons of distor's won't even boot up on that old omputer	Apr 28 22:04
sebsebseb	from the last three years or so it seems or more	Apr 28 22:04
DaemonFC	What will happen is that the companies and government agencies that have paid a fortune for end of life support will still get the patches, but nobody else will, and millions of XP systems are going to become zombies.	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	MinceR: ,but i think what Mageia is having a fix for, is the issues I am on about	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	and don't tell me to dd some usb stick	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	and then try and boot that on the computer	Apr 28 22:05
MinceR	there are some distros and remixes that focus on older computers	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	,becaue I don't get anywhere iwth dd when I Tired before, to actsualy make a bootable USB	Apr 28 22:05
DaemonFC	I suppose that you could get the leaked hotfixes from a warez site, but that's an ironic place to have to go for security updates. :P	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	MinceR: no it's a boot up issue	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	MinceR: not the distro itself	Apr 28 22:05
MinceR	strange, dd always worked for me	Apr 28 22:05
MinceR	though it depends on the image	Apr 28 22:05
DaemonFC	like the MyDigitalLife forum.	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	wel it didn't seem tow ork for me	Apr 28 22:05
DaemonFC	They always release those updates that Microsoft doesn't allow public access to.	Apr 28 22:06
*sebsebseb is not happy that he know someone, who despite everything he said etc, is sitl running XP online uh		Apr 28 22:06
MinceR	debian and crunchbang (and probably other debian-based distros) support usb flash booting via iso image	Apr 28 22:06
sebsebseb	ok using FIrefox though not INternt Explorer	Apr 28 22:06
DaemonFC	There were well over a hundred of them the last time I looked, and that was probably 6-7 years ago.	Apr 28 22:06
sebsebseb	,but still things won't be as secure as they should be now	Apr 28 22:06
MinceR	iirc DSL has additional support for various ways of booting	Apr 28 22:06
MinceR	not sure about TinyCore	Apr 28 22:06
sebsebseb	MinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi she said I could witch over to Linux	Apr 28 22:07
sebsebseb	after a back up	Apr 28 22:07
sebsebseb	,but no back up been done	Apr 28 22:07
sebsebseb	and she carires on using the ocmputer like normal email etc etc	Apr 28 22:07
MinceR	that will lead to data loss eventually	Apr 28 22:07
*sebsebseb is trying to get a ISO burnt to DVD to try out on the computer, but isues		Apr 28 22:07
sebsebseb	MinceR: Internet was offline earlier well the wirelss was down	Apr 28 22:08
DaemonFC	It's almost impossible for Microsoft to patch large parts of Windows and assure people that the same exact exploit won't surface again.	Apr 28 22:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: sine osmeone had msesed it up, and she wanted it on so badly, so she could email smeone	Apr 28 22:08
sebsebseb	now back on and well	Apr 28 22:08
DaemonFC	So, some of those hotfixes are patching basically the same exploit 5-6 times.	Apr 28 22:08
MinceR	could have used a liveusb or something temporarily	Apr 28 22:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: how are you meant to get your not so technicl mother to understand	Apr 28 22:08
MinceR	dunno	Apr 28 22:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: the seurity risks enug hto see it as a priorit to sorto ut I don't knmow	Apr 28 22:08
MinceR	i bought a tablet for my mother :>	Apr 28 22:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: then she'll do some online shoping or something with it at this rate again to or something and hmm	Apr 28 22:09
sebsebseb	I guess once I got a working ISO from CD/DVD that works on there to be ued to install Linux from	Apr 28 22:09
sebsebseb	then I really start pushing the switch over idea or something I guess	Apr 28 22:09
sebsebseb	for now I am in limbo kind of untill sorted that out	Apr 28 22:10
sebsebseb	MinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi tis isn't like some Linux distro going EOL	Apr 28 22:10
sebsebseb	it's WIndows XP	Apr 28 22:10
sebsebseb	used b millions still	Apr 28 22:10
sebsebseb	a target	Apr 28 22:10
sebsebseb	when a LInux distro goes EOL it's like eh, well ok should ugprade really, butp robably going to be quite ok stil using online and such without updats really for quite some itme	Apr 28 22:11
MinceR	the hardware varies a lot, though	Apr 28 22:11
sebsebseb	MinceR: I should get my desktops sorted out maybe	Apr 28 22:11
sebsebseb	can't use my old burner	Apr 28 22:11
sebsebseb	the old CD/dvd WRITER for netbook nope dind't get far with burnig. this extenral blue ray not had luck either in Linux. I'll actsaully be trying WIndows 7 starter later on, to see if it's got anything to do with OS or not uh	Apr 28 22:12
MinceR	when the questions "does it have usb?" and "can it boot from cd?" pop up, you know you're potentially dealing with very old hardware :>	Apr 28 22:12
sebsebseb	well it can boot up form thse old Ubuntu 6.06 CD's still for example	Apr 28 22:12
sebsebseb	no problem	Apr 28 22:12
sebsebseb	it's not that it can't boot from CD/DVD	Apr 28 22:12
sebsebseb	it's that certian later versions of stuff isn't going to work, since the bug I am on about with syslinux or isolinux whiever one it was	Apr 28 22:13
MinceR	(and if both answers are "no", you're stuck with floppies :> )	Apr 28 22:13
sebsebseb	MinceR: I got on a interesitng aritlce/blog ost	Apr 28 22:13
sebsebseb	the other night	Apr 28 22:13
sebsebseb	about wel lsandboxing and such	Apr 28 22:13
sebsebseb	and how een doing that with WIndows XP woudn't be os secure really, beczue the kernel isn't secure	Apr 28 22:14
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sebsebseb	MinceR: altough jut thought of it again	Apr 28 22:19
sebsebseb	MinceR: this is a moter who didn't know what bcc was	Apr 28 22:19
sebsebseb	MinceR: or cc	Apr 28 22:19
sebsebseb	that was the other evening	Apr 28 22:19
MinceR	most email users apparently don't know	Apr 28 22:27
MinceR	which is sad	Apr 28 22:27
schestowitz__	[19:37] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, What those videos that tell you what to say to the police don't tell you is that by saying any of that, you basically might as well be saying "Officer, please beat me up and then spend an hour tearing through my car, then make it legal later because the judge is an asshole, and throw in a resisting arrest charge as well, please."	Apr 28 22:28
schestowitz__	DaemonFC: depends on the case	Apr 28 22:28
schestowitz__	But it's usually them who record everything	Apr 28 22:28
schestowitz__	and they have control over what's used in a court	Apr 28 22:28
sebsebseb	MinceR: indeed computer basics?	Apr 28 22:28
MinceR	netiquette	Apr 28 22:29
sebsebseb	yeah	Apr 28 22:29
schestowitz__	gn	Apr 28 22:30
MinceR	o/	Apr 28 22:31
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msb__	Is this globe on tuxmachines supposed to show my location? Because it's not. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/63078/	Apr 28 23:28
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msb__	schestowitz__: But it is an excellent news site. Thanks, Roy and Rianne!	Apr 28 23:30
msb__	schestowitz__: Rianne's picture in the left-hand column is too dark. I thought it was a black silhouette until I turned the gamma way up. Yours I can see just fine.	Apr 28 23:32
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DaemonFC	I keep my software up to date. Why shouldn't I? It's not like buying the new version is going to cost me $150 and slow my computer down by 50%. It's not Microsoft software.	Apr 29 01:49
DaemonFC	I tried to see if I could get one of those Lemote systems at one point.	Apr 29 01:51
DaemonFC	It was going to cost a fortune and I would have to buy it from a seller in the UK and pay for further shipping to me. I decided that it wasn't worth the money or risk.	Apr 29 01:53
DaemonFC	You just can't seem to find them here at all.	Apr 29 01:53
DaemonFC	So, every computer I've ever used with GNU/Linux has been a system that was really intended for Windows, and seemed jury rigged in some way or another.	Apr 29 01:56
msb__	DaemonFC: Almost every (non-Mac) PC is designed for Windows. So what? Every Linux distro deals fine with PCs as they are. It doesn't matter whether they are that way to fit Windows. Linux isn't "jury-rigged", it's designed to work with computers the way they are. And it works great.	Apr 29 02:26
msb__	DaemonFC: Just get a PC with the cpu, ram, disk(s), etc., that you want, or buy a case, cpu, mobo, ram, disk(s) etc., that you want and assemble it yourself, which is easy. You can always ask here for help if you need it.	Apr 29 02:29
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msb__	DaemonFC: A good current choice is an AMD FX-8350, an appropriate ASUS mobo, 8GB of RAM, one or more WD 2TB Caviar Black disks.	Apr 29 02:35
msb__	DaemonFC: That will make a cheap, reliable screamer. I think it's the current sweet spot.	Apr 29 02:35
msb__	DaemonFC: Get a case with disk boxes that slide out and that have fans. Figure out how many 2TB drives you will ever need and get a case that can hold 50% more than that.	Apr 29 02:37
msb__	DaemonFC: Get an after-market heatsink-fan that has 1/8th inch spacing between the fins so you can blow dust out of it easily.	Apr 29 02:39
msb__	...for the cpu	Apr 29 02:39
msb__	DaemonFC: Every GNU/Linux distro will run on that just fine.	Apr 29 02:40
msb__	DaemonFC: Figure out the total wattage consumed by the various parts and get a power supply (sometimes they come with the case) that's rated for 150% of that, or even 200%.	Apr 29 02:48
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DaemonFC	The Mac PCs are amazingly even worse when you go to use GNU/Linux on them.	Apr 29 03:17
DaemonFC	I don't think it's possible to secure a computer that was designed around Windows as well as it should be secured.	Apr 29 03:18
DaemonFC	Mark Shuttleworth recently blogged about the firmware security problems that systems designed around Windows have.	Apr 29 03:18
DaemonFC	The problem is that it's where all the affordable hardware is because it's mass market hardware.	Apr 29 03:19
cubezzz	well that was odd	Apr 29 03:24
cubezzz	I somehow lost google toolbar, then find that google discontinued it	Apr 29 03:24
cubezzz	apparently it has disappeared from my hard drive	Apr 29 03:25
cubezzz	and now I've reinstalled this different google toolbar	Apr 29 03:25
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cubezzz	it's got some interesting options though	Apr 29 03:28
DaemonFC	Well, there's no really good reason not to be using Chromium anymore.	Apr 29 03:33
cubezzz	what if I have multiple systems with old gtk?	Apr 29 03:41
cubezzz	it's not going to work with chromium	Apr 29 03:41
cubezzz	I'm not even sure the google toolbar was open source	Apr 29 03:42
cubezzz	I give every company a big thumbs down for endless forced upgrades	Apr 29 03:47
cubezzz	mozilla could have kept making gtk1 builds, but they choose not to	Apr 29 03:49
cubezzz	now I don't think they even bother with gtk2 builds	Apr 29 03:50
cubezzz	and a lot of google's stuff is here today and gone tomorrow	Apr 29 03:50
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msb__	cubezzz: Firefox just did an upgrade from version 28.0 to 29.0 today. I haven't got it yet because I haven't restarted Firefox.	Apr 29 04:42
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msb__	I'm afraid my whole personality may change. I may not be the same person anymore. Too much Ghost in the Shell!	Apr 29 04:43
msb__	cubezzz: You are right. We should all go back to using Unix v.7 or something that we can understand the source code of. Good old blocky graphics!	Apr 29 04:50
DaemonFC	<cubezzz> I give every company a big thumbs down for endless forced upgrades	Apr 29 04:51
msb__	If we can understand it, they can't change it without our knowing it. GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!	Apr 29 04:51
DaemonFC	The forced upgrades are only necessary because some people never update their software.	Apr 29 04:51
DaemonFC	Web browsers are a gigantic threat to the user if they're out of date, so automatic upgrades are a way of keeping users safe, in spite of themselves.	Apr 29 04:52
DaemonFC	Also, it keeps the Chrome platform from fragmenting so badly that web developers don't even know what to do.	Apr 29 04:52
DaemonFC	Imagine if some significant percentage of users were using each of the last 34 versions of Chrome.	Apr 29 04:53
DaemonFC	That would be disastrous.	Apr 29 04:53
msb__	But what if Google makes a mistake in the auto-update, and everyone in the whole world goes insane at the same time?	Apr 29 04:54
DaemonFC	I don't think that has happened.	Apr 29 04:54
msb__	Then we would be defenseless against an alien attack	Apr 29 04:54
msb__	!	Apr 29 04:54
DaemonFC	On GNU/Linux, you don't get forced to upgrade Chrome anyway.	Apr 29 04:55
DaemonFC	It uses your distribution's package manager.	Apr 29 04:55
DaemonFC	I can't think of a good reason to be using an old version of Chrome.	Apr 29 04:55
msb__	Not on my machine. I'm getting Firefox directly.	Apr 29 04:55
msb__	It's just in my account, not in with the system software.	Apr 29 04:56
cubezzz	msb_, my idea isn't to go back to unix v7	Apr 29 04:56
cubezzz	my idea is to run multiple eras of operating systems, using emulators if necessary	Apr 29 04:56
msb__	cubezzz: So if one of them explodes, the others should still work.	Apr 29 04:57
DaemonFC	http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963	Apr 29 04:57
DaemonFC	LOL	Apr 29 04:57
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cubezzz	the other eras include unix v6, v7, 2.11bsd, 4.3bsd, fc1 (along with other incarnations of fedora), vector linux, etc	Apr 29 04:58
cubezzz	msb__, yes, that's one of the main ideas!	Apr 29 04:58
DaemonFC	So, OpenSSL is a godawful mess and this exploit has caused people to notice.	Apr 29 04:59
cubezzz	versatility is important	Apr 29 04:59
DaemonFC	And now it will be fixed (as LibreSSL).	Apr 29 04:59
cubezzz	openssl is a good example, since I also run multiple versions of openssl	Apr 29 05:00
DaemonFC	Hopefully, distributions will kick OpenSSL out as soon as it becomes practical to do that.	Apr 29 05:00
msb__	We should have backup cyberbrains too, in case we get ghost-hacked.	Apr 29 05:00
cubezzz	some versions I run predate the heart-bleed bug	Apr 29 05:00
DaemonFC	Why would you ever want your SSL library to be developed by people who take security seriously? :)	Apr 29 05:00
DaemonFC	yeah, but with that much stupid shit in there, you don't know what _else_ could be wrong....	Apr 29 05:01
DaemonFC	From what I understand, the LibreSSL team has been deleting code that was specific to ancient platforms that nobody other than maybe a hobbyist would be running on anything anyway.	Apr 29 05:02
DaemonFC	Like, Windows 9x, OS 2 Warp 4 (1996), and Mac OS 9 (2001).	Apr 29 05:02
msb__	Software complexity may increase beyond our brains' ability to deal with it.	Apr 29 05:05
msb__	This may be the answer to the Fermi Paradox -- Where Is Everybody?	Apr 29 05:06
msb__	Their software progressed to the level where it destroyed them!	Apr 29 05:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Yocto Is Hooking Up With AMD & Mentor Graphics	Apr 29 05:07
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cubezzz	well it's not necessary to know every line of code	Apr 29 05:07
cubezzz	as long as you understand things well enough to fix problems which arise	Apr 29 05:08
msb__	We must all go back to PC-DOS immediately, or we're DOOMED!	Apr 29 05:08
msb__	There are a few alien civilizations who realized this, and have survived.	Apr 29 05:09
cubezzz	ha	Apr 29 05:10
msb__	They're broadcasting on Dark-RF.	Apr 29 05:10
msb__	If they see from our RF emissions that we've dropped back to a safe level, they'll invite us to join them.	Apr 29 05:10
cubezzz	I've studied fc1 for a long time and there's still lots of it I haven't looked at	Apr 29 05:11
msb__	Help us cubezzz, you're our only hope!	Apr 29 05:11
cubezzz	I do help :)	Apr 29 05:11
cubezzz	I try to... not many people listen to me	Apr 29 05:12
cubezzz	about 20% of my customers have at least one linux computer	Apr 29 05:13
msb__	The ones who don't will be turned into zombies and eat each others' brains when the software-apocalypse comes!	Apr 29 05:13
cubezzz	this is worth reading:	Apr 29 05:13
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts.txt	Apr 29 05:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts.txt )		Apr 29 05:13
cubezzz	oops	Apr 29 05:14
msb__	OMG, it's got you too!!!	Apr 29 05:15
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts1.txt	Apr 29 05:15
cubezzz	portable libraries are obviously important	Apr 29 05:16
cubezzz	this goes back to Thompson's ideas	Apr 29 05:17
msb__	So Dillo doesn't do Javascript?	Apr 29 05:17
cubezzz	that's right	Apr 29 05:18
msb__	It's like you don't need a window manager that does wibble-wobble windows. I get along fine without them.	Apr 29 05:19
cubezzz	I like mwm and icewm	Apr 29 05:20
msb__	Good solid opaque windows are fine!	Apr 29 05:20
cubezzz	kde 3.5.10 is the heaviest one I use	Apr 29 05:20
msb__	That's what I use too. It's the best!	Apr 29 05:20
cubezzz	I do use kalzium and kstars from time to time	Apr 29 05:20
msb__	KDE4 is an abomination!	Apr 29 05:20
cubezzz	there's two schisms (maybe even more) in KDE-land	Apr 29 05:21
cubezzz	the original KDE 1.0 guys hated version 2	Apr 29 05:22
cubezzz	and a lot of KDE 3 guys didn't like KDE 4	Apr 29 05:22
cubezzz	the interesting thing is KDE 3 can run all of the KDE 1 applications	Apr 29 05:22
msb__	I use some KDE4 apps because they've been improved, like Konversation right now.	Apr 29 05:23
cubezzz	so you're running KDE 4 applications on KDE 3?	Apr 29 05:23
msb__	Just a few. Konsole too, and the System Monitor.	Apr 29 05:24
cubezzz	I still use xchat a lot	Apr 29 05:24
msb__	I hope the KDE4 loonies don't "improve" them so they stop working in KDE3.	Apr 29 05:25
msb__	They might, though. Some of them are really vindictive.	Apr 29 05:26
cubezzz	I saved some KDE 1 orphaned programs	Apr 29 05:27
cubezzz	mainly krubik	Apr 29 05:27
msb__	There's a German guy who keeps harassing the Trinity project and telling them to quit.	Apr 29 05:27
DaemonFC	Kevin Kofler and Rex Dieter summed up the Trinity project pretty well.	Apr 29 05:28
cubezzz	the thing is, a lot of the old KDE folks did actually quit	Apr 29 05:28
msb__	DaemonFC: ?	Apr 29 05:28
cubezzz	so it's up to people like us to keep stuff alive	Apr 29 05:28
DaemonFC	Kofler said "Trinity is an international team of developers called Timothy Pearson."	Apr 29 05:28
msb__	Blessings be upon him!	Apr 29 05:29
DaemonFC	and Dieter noted that there's fewer developers of Trinity than the kwin window manager has in KDE 4.	Apr 29 05:29
cubezzz	msb__, you really can't kill software	Apr 29 05:29
DaemonFC	Oh, I just think that Trinity has been done wrong.	Apr 29 05:29
DaemonFC	That tqt garbage is a prime example.	Apr 29 05:30
cubezzz	programmers can quit... but some crazy people can come along and resurrect stuff	Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFC	He could have just ported it to Qt4 more easily than implementing the tqt layer.	Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFC	and the performance of tqt is not great	Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFC	Then again, nobody is forcing anyone to use it.	Apr 29 05:31
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cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-with-plan9.png	Apr 29 05:31
DaemonFC	Crazy is the right word for that project though.	Apr 29 05:31
cubezzz	ho ho ho :)	Apr 29 05:31
msb__	DaemonFC: Computer speed is increasing fast enough that an extra software layer doesn't cause any visible slowdown.	Apr 29 05:31
DaemonFC	Most of the reasons for forking KDE 3 are basically gone.	Apr 29 05:31
cubezzz	sacrilege!	Apr 29 05:32
cubezzz	software should run well on slower machines	Apr 29 05:32
DaemonFC	msb__, Even the cheapest computers on the market over the last 5 years will all run KDE 4.13 just fine.	Apr 29 05:32
DaemonFC	You can run it on a motherboard that costs $30 and an APU that costs $50.	Apr 29 05:33
cubezzz	DaemonFC, I'll have you know I scored some DD 3.5" disks a while back :)	Apr 29 05:33
cubezzz	so five years is nothing	Apr 29 05:33
msb__	DaemonFC: Really? And how do you use 20 virtual desktops in KDE4 when the desktop names in the desktop pager are unreadable?	Apr 29 05:33
DaemonFC	I've never needed that many virtual desktops.	Apr 29 05:34
msb__	I have many interests. It's great to have a separate desktop for my website, mail, Linux, bash scripts, C programs, sci-fi, etc.	Apr 29 05:35
cubezzz	imagine some old guy who uses his computer to write the odd letters and play solitaire	Apr 29 05:35
cubezzz	are you going to tell him "upgrade to windows 8.1"?	Apr 29 05:35
cubezzz	hell no	Apr 29 05:35
msb__	Each one has several konsoles with mc in them, each pointing to the relevant directories in my filesystem.	Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFC	Those super cheap AMD APUs have pictures of the Internet Explorer and Microsoft Office icons on the box, but they have perfectly good open source support in GNU/Linux.	Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFC	if you can make it past the box without barfing :)	Apr 29 05:36
cubezzz	his CP/M machine with a dot matrix would do the job in that case	Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFC	office suites are notorious for their bloat	Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFC	and if you don't use a bloated office suite, then some fuckface out there will send you documents that crash it	Apr 29 05:37
DaemonFC	:)	Apr 29 05:37
cubezzz	there's google docs	Apr 29 05:37
msb__	DaemonFC: So I can switch between my various mind activities in an instant, and my desktops are not crowded with stuff unnecessary to the particular activity.	Apr 29 05:37
cubezzz	you don't have to use a "bloated office suite"	Apr 29 05:38
DaemonFC	yeah, Google Docs even runs on those really cheap chromebooks	Apr 29 05:38
cubezzz	is bloat some perverse badge of honour these days?	Apr 29 05:38
cubezzz	what is wrong with programmers these days	Apr 29 05:39
DaemonFC	https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-windows_install/future-windows-xp-activation-support/8b64edf7-8146-e011-9bac-78e7d160ad4e?msgId=bae49a41-9b46-e011-90b6-1cc1de79d2e2	Apr 29 05:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com \| Future Windows XP activation support - Microsoft Community [ http://ur1.ca/h7fd9 ]		Apr 29 05:39
DaemonFC	"Microsoft will also support the activation of Windows XP throughout its life and will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end of the product's lifecycle so users would no longer be required to activate the product."	Apr 29 05:40
DaemonFC	Did they ever release that update?	Apr 29 05:40
msb__	no bloat --> no "improvement" --> no justification for programmer existence --> no jobs --> no pizza and chinese food!	Apr 29 05:40
cubezzz	I had a funny thought years ago...	Apr 29 05:41
cubezzz	I thought, "wow, these 386's are so powerful. Who needs that much computing power?"	Apr 29 05:41
cubezzz	now folks are junking core duo's	Apr 29 05:42
DaemonFC	Well, if nothing else, you could just use a cracked version of XP.	Apr 29 05:42
cubezzz	hardly an ideal situation though	Apr 29 05:42
DaemonFC	Since there's no more updates for anyone, it's not like they're going to release a new kill switch.	Apr 29 05:42
cubezzz	you're better off the microsoft teat	Apr 29 05:42
DaemonFC	yeah	Apr 29 05:43
DaemonFC	eventually, drivers won't be available for new hardware	Apr 29 05:43
DaemonFC	then it will be impossible to use XP on newer systems	Apr 29 05:43
msb__	The only time I've used microsoft in the las 14 years was when my pooter went blooey and I had to research parts for a new one on the Web, so I borrowed a neighbor's laptop.	Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFC	At some point, it's likely that the software will start drying up as well.	Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFC	I remember the original Windows XP.	Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFC	People really despised it.	Apr 29 05:44
cubezzz	I still support on win95 box :)	Apr 29 05:44
cubezzz	that customer pays well :)	Apr 29 05:44
msb__	And he should!	Apr 29 05:45
cubezzz	msb__, I think my multiple computer idea would have saved you from using windows in that situation	Apr 29 05:45
DaemonFC	Windows 95 wasn't so bad.	Apr 29 05:45
DaemonFC	Windows 98 was.	Apr 29 05:45
cubezzz	disconnected from the net, sure	Apr 29 05:46
msb__	DaemonFC: You've ignored what I wrote above. Before KDE4 came out, many Linux users said that multiple desktops are one of the most important features of Linux to them.	Apr 29 05:46
cubezzz	I think you'll find if you do what I do...i.e. run multiple computers, that multiple desktops is less critical	Apr 29 05:48
msb__	cubezzz: You're right. If this computer keeps crashing (which it hasn't for a while now -- I think it was a problem with Firefox), and I build an FX-8350 system as I outlined, I'll keep this old dual-core machine functional.	Apr 29 05:48
DaemonFC	msb__, I noticed that Unity doesn't even have virtual desktops enabled by default.	Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFC	You have to change an appearance setting to activate that.	Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFC	If you want more than 4, you need to use unity tweak tool.	Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFC	Canonical did seem to fix all of the really aggravating Unity bugs though.	Apr 29 05:49
cubezzz	even icewm supports 4 desktops by default	Apr 29 05:50
DaemonFC	The only problem is that the dash brings up so much irrelevant shit	Apr 29 05:50
DaemonFC	It's your worst nightmare if you have Attention Deficit Disorder.	Apr 29 05:50
msb__	Somehow I have never found a need to use Ubuntu at all, ever.	Apr 29 05:50
cubezzz	I run plan 9, bsd and linux (and various eras of linux)	Apr 29 05:51
cubezzz	I still run a lot of old games from the redhat 6.1 era	Apr 29 05:53
cubezzz	some stuff is even older than that	Apr 29 05:54
msb__	With Plan 9 you're safe from solarbonite (sp?).	Apr 29 05:56
cubezzz	so there's a lot of stuff to contend with: various kernels, various wms, tons of different gcc versions, code that will only compile on with specific versions of libraries	Apr 29 05:56
cubezzz	not to mention old v6 code that only compiles on a specific version of unix v6!	Apr 29 05:56
msb__	cubezzz: Someday the entire human civilization may come to you to save us.	Apr 29 05:57
msb__	Software may reach a singularity and decide not to be used by humans at all!	Apr 29 05:59
cubezzz	well I wrote a bit about contaminated soil (due to trichloroethylene)	Apr 29 05:59
cubezzz	it's needed for some of the chip fabrication processes	Apr 29 06:00
cubezzz	hence my idea of using old computers to try to reduce pollution	Apr 29 06:00
msb__	We must also eliminate dry-cleaning!	Apr 29 06:00
msb__	For the sake of the children!	Apr 29 06:00
cubezzz	I guess dry cleaning uses trichloroethylene?	Apr 29 06:01
cubezzz	that wouldn't surprise me	Apr 29 06:01
DaemonFC	oh, awesome	Apr 29 06:02
DaemonFC	I found some more themes.	Apr 29 06:02
DaemonFC	I hate orange.	Apr 29 06:02
cubezzz	well it messes with your lungs if you inhale the vapours from it	Apr 29 06:02
DaemonFC	https://launchpad.net/~noobslab/+archive/themes?field.series_filter=trusty	Apr 29 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-launchpad.net \| Themes Collection by NoobsLab : NoobsLab [ http://ur1.ca/h7fhv ]		Apr 29 06:03
DaemonFC	They have ambiance radiance colors.	Apr 29 06:03
DaemonFC	Until something better comes out, this will at least get rid of that horrible orange.	Apr 29 06:03
msb__	Apparantly dry-cleaners have now switched to tetrachloroethylene. Even worse!	Apr 29 06:03
msb__	Apparently someone wants to have a chlorine atmosphere.	Apr 29 06:04
cubezzz	I can't evolve that fast! :)	Apr 29 06:05
cubezzz	I'm not sure how bad air pollution is around here	Apr 29 06:06
cubezzz	no one is really talking about it	Apr 29 06:06
cubezzz	I guess all the cars cause a lot of the air pollution, there's not much doubt about that	Apr 29 06:08
msb__	Like The Arrival http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115571/	Apr 29 06:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| The Arrival (1996) - IMDb		Apr 29 06:08
msb__	If you see someone whose knees bend the wrong way...	Apr 29 06:09
msb__	They killed Lindsay Crouse! They must never be forgiven!	Apr 29 06:10
cubezzz	a climatologist I think, or at least played that part	Apr 29 06:11
msb__	Yes!	Apr 29 06:11
msb__	She was also in House of Games -- excellent!	Apr 29 06:12
msb__	She got the best of Joe Mantegna in a David Mamet movie!	Apr 29 06:13
DaemonFC	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/indiana-common-core-replacement_n_5228212.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013	Apr 29 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com \| Indiana Approves Common Core Replacement Standards [ http://ur1.ca/h7fkd ]		Apr 29 06:14
DaemonFC	msb__, The Ultra Low Sulfur Gasoline regulation is going to cause a lot of GHG emissions.	Apr 29 06:14
DaemonFC	Of course, the European Union already has those standards.	Apr 29 06:15
DaemonFC	Ours won't finish phasing in for several more years.	Apr 29 06:15
DaemonFC	It's going to require a lot of extra processing to remove the last bit of sulfur.	Apr 29 06:15
msb__	What's the purpose? Is a little SOx so bad?	Apr 29 06:16
DaemonFC	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-28/epa-said-poised-to-issue-lower-sulfur-limits-on-fuel.html	Apr 29 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com \| EPA Said Poised to Issue Lower Sulfur Limits on Fuel - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/h7fkz ]		Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFC	Oh, the new rules match California's.	Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFC	That's nice.	Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFC	California has some of the highest gasoline prices in the country.	Apr 29 06:17
msb__	Fortunately I never go anywhere.	Apr 29 06:18
DaemonFC	Indiana has some of the highest prices in the midwest, but that's mostly because the state gasoline tax is so fucking high.	Apr 29 06:18
DaemonFC	Someone that I know was going to Florida and back. I told him to gas up in Tennessee on his way back.	Apr 29 06:19
DaemonFC	They're like 60 cents a gallon cheaper than Indiana.	Apr 29 06:19
DaemonFC	"It screws up the mufflers, it screws up the catalytic converters, and it screws up a lot of other things, too."	Apr 29 06:21
DaemonFC	Yeah, but it also lubricates parts of the engine.	Apr 29 06:21
msb__	You can save a lot of money by just eating some beans, sticking a hose up your butt, and piping the methane directly into the carbureter.	Apr 29 06:22
msb__	DaemonFC: What does, SOx?	Apr 29 06:23
DaemonFC	yeah	Apr 29 06:23
DaemonFC	So, removing it will cause increased engine wear.	Apr 29 06:23
msb__	Weird!	Apr 29 06:23
msb__	And increased car mfr profits!	Apr 29 06:24
DaemonFC	right	Apr 29 06:24
DaemonFC	the last thing they want is for cars to last 30 years like they used to	Apr 29 06:24
DaemonFC	you're lucky to get 10-15 out of them now	Apr 29 06:24
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DaemonFC	Their goal is a disposable car where you don't have a $2,000 used car market or people driving them for 20 years without a payment.	Apr 29 06:25
DaemonFC	They want them to last about as long as the payments.	Apr 29 06:26
msb__	Like MS putting Windows on subscription.	Apr 29 06:26
DaemonFC	Yeah. My car is 18 years old and it still runs just fine.	Apr 29 06:26
DaemonFC	I don't ever plan on selling it for anything other than scrap metal 10 years from now. :P	Apr 29 06:26
cubezzz	msb__, can you imagine paying $$$ to microsoft every month? horrible!	Apr 29 06:27
DaemonFC	That's their goal.	Apr 29 06:27
msb__	Not as bad as using Windows!	Apr 29 06:27
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DaemonFC	The way I hear it, their plan is to give away some horribly limited version of Windows "for free" and use the product activation system to sell you subscriptions to a la carte features.	Apr 29 06:27
DaemonFC	One can only imagine....	Apr 29 06:28
cubezzz	I can imagine it	Apr 29 06:28
DaemonFC	Maybe the ability to play video games requires a DirectX subscription.	Apr 29 06:28
msb__	If I even think about using Windows, it starts to sap and impurify my precious bodily fluids!	Apr 29 06:29
Sosumi	there are sometimes that requires you to use windows anyways	Apr 29 06:30
msb__	Not me, brother!	Apr 29 06:31
Sosumi	cad/cam and 3d are for sure the only things I see	Apr 29 06:31
Sosumi	*somethings	Apr 29 06:31
DaemonFC	Shouldn't that at least work on Wine?	Apr 29 06:32
Sosumi	film production too	Apr 29 06:32
Sosumi	no cuda with wine	Apr 29 06:32
msb__	I programmed 3D on a LINC computer with 1K of RAM.	Apr 29 06:32
msb__	One of the analog knobs adjusted for interocular distance.	Apr 29 06:33
msb__	Made nice 3D graphs of experiment data.	Apr 29 06:34
cubezzz	msb__, how if you were using a LINC for IRC I would be truly impressed :)	Apr 29 06:37
cubezzz	s/how/now/	Apr 29 06:37
msb__	No Net back then.	Apr 29 06:38
cubezzz	Sosumi, lots of films used Linux rendering farms	Apr 29 06:38
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cubezzz	Houdini is proprietary but it does have a linux version	Apr 29 06:40
msb__	cubezzz: I did write a terminal emulator in BASIC that ran in PC-DOS, for talking with a BSD system I had an account on.	Apr 29 06:40
cubezzz	msb__, which BSD?	Apr 29 06:40
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msb__	I don't remember. It was used at University of California, San Francisco in the '80s, IIRC.	Apr 29 06:41
cubezzz	4.X BSD probably	Apr 29 06:42
msb__	Charged by the minute, and didn't stop charging even when the modem connection got broken. I ended up refusing to pay for that.	Apr 29 06:43
msb__	I think I logged off, but it kept charging me.	Apr 29 06:43
msb__	But I had my little account, and could do command-line stuff. It was great!	Apr 29 06:47
msb__	Pipelines! I eventually transferred some scripts to my Linux system when I got that.	Apr 29 06:49
msb__	Sometimes I can't remember whether I did something in Philadelphia or San Francisco. The timelines get fuzzy.	Apr 29 06:50
msb__	I think I live mostly in my mind.	Apr 29 06:51
msb__	One of the reasons why having multiple desktops is so important. I'm really a cyborg, connected to the computer via screen and keyboard.	Apr 29 06:52
msb__	That's why Ghost in the Shell seems so real to me.	Apr 29 06:53
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msb__	Wow, there's an episode of Futurama where they overclock Bender, to make him smarter -- Overclockwise!	Apr 29 07:06
msb__	The evil Mother, of Mom's Robots, doesn't want this knowledge to get out, because then people will stop buying her newer, slightly faster, robots.	Apr 29 07:14
msb__	Like IBM. Move a couple of jumpers, and your computer runs twice as fast.	Apr 29 07:15
cubezzz	IBM is pretty much out of the PC game now	Apr 29 07:53
msb__	This was in its mainframes.	Apr 29 07:55
cubezzz	which ones?	Apr 29 07:55
cubezzz	I used to work on 4341's	Apr 29 07:55
msb__	Sorry, don't know.	Apr 29 07:55
cubezzz	there was the IBM 9370 which was a baby mainframe	Apr 29 07:59
cubezzz	ran VM/SP and VM/IS	Apr 29 07:59
cubezzz	DEC was more open than IBM was	Apr 29 08:01
cubezzz	not to say that DEC was totally open, it wasn't	Apr 29 08:01
cubezzz	DEC was also very slow warming up to Unix	Apr 29 08:04
msb__	https://www.google.com/search?num=100&lr=&safe=images&as_qdr=all&q=jumper+ibm+mainframe+speed&oq=jumper+ibm+mainframe+speed&gs_l=serp.3...32669.37643.0.38255.15.14.0.0.0.2.161.1664.2j12.14.0....0...1c.1.42.serp..7.8.874.mGWewlhQlEs	Apr 29 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.com \| jumper ibm mainframe speed - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/h7g5w ]		Apr 29 08:04
*amarsh04 met Jon "maddog" Hall back in 1994 when he worked for DEC		Apr 29 08:05
msb__	Sorry, wrong url. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.folklore.computers/lZy6zvmxLjc	Apr 29 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com \| Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/h7g6f ]		Apr 29 08:07
cubezzz	nice to see an old DEC guy converting over to Linux	Apr 29 08:07
cubezzz	it's not like the 4341 was a power-house, but it did have 16 megs of ram which at the time was a lot	Apr 29 08:10
amarsh04	yes, was quite fun at the AUUG '94 conference, I met Dennis Ritchie and heard Linus Torvalds speak also	Apr 29 08:10
cubezzz	oh cool	Apr 29 08:11
amarsh04	met Gene Spafford also	Apr 29 08:11
cubezzz	I guess you were into Linux pretty early on	Apr 29 08:11
amarsh04	didn't start running it until the mid 2000s though, learned it at Adelaide University as a staff member in the early 2000s	Apr 29 08:13
cubezzz	I still have my darkstar notes	Apr 29 08:14
amarsh04	was fun downloading a Debian net install image over dial-up	Apr 29 08:15
cubezzz	Darkstar... 0.99	Apr 29 08:15
amarsh04	the pc had a cyrix cpu and 48 Meg of RAM	Apr 29 08:16
cubezzz	I even know which computer I had back then	Apr 29 08:18
amarsh04	must head out...	Apr 29 08:18
cubezzz	ok, laterz	Apr 29 08:18
cubezzz	486-DX40 with 4 megs of ram :)	Apr 29 08:18
msb__	cubezzz: that second url points to a page with many examples of speed/feature alteration of expensive computers by moving jumpers, flipping secret switches, etc.	Apr 29 08:32
cubezzz	yes, this link was on that page: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html	Apr 29 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.garlic.com \| Old EMAIL Index-- Anne & Lynn Wheeler		Apr 29 08:33
cubezzz	interesting stuff in there	Apr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux certification site sends wrong message	Apr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/59SnkkrLAu	Apr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gc2	Apr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GCC Ada Now Supports 64-bit ARM	Apr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6bkFyCEx6g	Apr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gc3	Apr 29 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux certification site sends wrong message \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GCC Ada Now Supports 64-bit ARM \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 08:33
DaemonFC	Recent versions of FreeBSD finally seem to support recent Radeon cards properly, at least.	Apr 29 08:46
msb__	cubezzz: Here's a huge amount of free source code from CACM (maybe in ALGOL!) and elsewhere: http://www.netlib.org/ http://www.netlib.org/liblist.html http://www.netlib.org/master/expanded_liblist.html	Apr 29 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org \| The Netlib		Apr 29 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org \| Netlib at The Univ. of Tennessee and ORNL		Apr 29 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org \| Netlib Master Index [ http://ur1.ca/h7gej ]		Apr 29 08:46
DaemonFC	For a long time, they relied on old problematic code that AMD stopped maintaining several years ago.	Apr 29 08:46
DaemonFC	So, progress basically got frozen at the level of support that GNU/Linux had for those cards around about early 2009.	Apr 29 08:47
DaemonFC	Their answer was to buy Nvidia cards and use their proprietary driver.	Apr 29 08:47
DaemonFC	When you do shit like this, don't be surprised when nobody takes you seriously.	Apr 29 08:49
DaemonFC	:)	Apr 29 08:49
cubezzz	well anyone can download stuff from http://www.x.org	Apr 29 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org \| xorg		Apr 29 08:56
cubezzz	openbsd is using 7.7	Apr 29 09:05
cubezzz	the Xorg folks tossed out a lot of code too	Apr 29 09:08
cubezzz	if there's no maintainer for it... it goes out the door	Apr 29 09:08
DaemonFC	https://www.xkcd.com/1337/	Apr 29 09:13
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DaemonFC	cubezzz, the problem wasn't x.org, it was the kernel stuff.	Apr 29 09:13
DaemonFC	Kernel Mode Setting was designed for Linux.	Apr 29 09:13
cubezzz	openbsd 5.4 has it too	Apr 29 09:14
cubezzz	it was added not too long ago	Apr 29 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Download http://t.co/mMC8MbIGcP	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gjt	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [ANNOUNCE] xf86-input-evdev 2.8.99.1	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9dLaTy2wuk	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gju	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu, Red Hat, and the Good Samaritan	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8xTKjdS492	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gjv	Apr 29 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now Available for Download \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| [ANNOUNCE] xf86-input-evdev 2.8.99.1 \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu, Red Hat, and the Good Samaritan \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 09:21
DaemonFC	I'm using Ubuntu again because it seems to have gotten better.	Apr 29 09:33
DaemonFC	I think their big problem is the damage that older versions of Unity did to their reputation.	Apr 29 09:33
DaemonFC	It was released well before it was ready. It should not have been in a LTS release at all.	Apr 29 09:34
MinceR	geekings	Apr 29 09:35
MinceR	meh, i just use #!	Apr 29 09:35
cubezzz	DaemonFC, I believe you can still compile newer stuff without kernel modesetting	Apr 29 09:38
cubezzz	it's an option	Apr 29 09:38
DaemonFC	nope	Apr 29 09:40
DaemonFC	userspace modesetting was deprecated years ago, and removed completely some months ago.	Apr 29 09:40
DaemonFC	it was never available for the RadeonHD 5000 series or newer at all.	Apr 29 09:40
DaemonFC	Novell's RadeonHD driver was UMS-only.	Apr 29 09:41
DaemonFC	Novell's developers also decided for some reason that they didn't like AtomBIOS.	Apr 29 09:42
cubezzz	well it's right in the configure	Apr 29 09:44
cubezzz	disable-kms	Apr 29 09:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4002735	Apr 29 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bluszcz@idoru.pl: ### "Think globally, act locally" by #Microsoft Poland free from #Political #correctness or sign or #racism? ;) One says that we #Polish we are racists ;) Other can say, that #americans are obsessed with idea #pc political correctness. Perhaps in Poland we are bit more 'relaxed' and perhaps the photo in first place didn't have black dude - perhaps they put it to fill some #US #law regulations ;) #black #poland #pols		Apr 29 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> picup.it \| #PicUp Microsoft's "Think globally, act locally"		Apr 29 09:50
schestowitz__	Good point there about the possibility of inverted deletion, but I think it was well established at the time that Microsoft removed the black guy, not added him.	Apr 29 09:51
MinceR	it doesn't explain the white guy with black hands anyway	Apr 29 09:52
cubezzz	pics? :)	Apr 29 09:52
MinceR	https://picup.it/media/pictures/poland_hates_black_people.jpg	Apr 29 09:53
schestowitz__	msb__: thanks for the feedback on the site	Apr 29 09:53
schestowitz__	I showed it to here, we decided to redo the photos	Apr 29 09:53
schestowitz__	See the new ones at tuxmachines now	Apr 29 09:53
cubezzz	hahaha	Apr 29 09:53
cubezzz	oh wow	Apr 29 09:54
MinceR	this? >> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/605/806/3a1.jpg	Apr 29 09:54
cubezzz	hey that's edited	Apr 29 09:56
cubezzz	you can't fool me :)	Apr 29 09:57
cubezzz	funny though	Apr 29 09:57
MinceR	fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, ...you can't fool me twice!	Apr 29 09:57
cubezzz	what he said was more like "ha! ha! ha! ... The Moon!" etc	Apr 29 09:58
msb__	schestowitz__: Somewhat better. I guess she just has a dark skin tone. Is the globe on the about page supposed to show my location?	Apr 29 09:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4002735	Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__	Yes, for 100% you are right - Poland is not HQ of microsoft and pretty sure they got materials from the central....	Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__	However, this is stupidity of MS in poland - even if the multi colorful ethnic photo didn't fit to poland reality - they should just take other photo instead of doing this.	Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__	But I don't like also this '3 colors' pc idea...	Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 10:03
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schestowitz__	"More often than not, the only people who usually care about race are bigger racists than the people they are accusing of being racists."	Apr 29 10:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Shows Off Beema & Mullins But Its Linux	Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	Fate Is Unclear http://t.co/1KBFhAQF7P	Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gvw	Apr 29 10:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD Shows Off Beema & Mullins But Its Linux Fate Is Unclear \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Improving The Linux Desktop	Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HQdKarmy0Q	Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gvx	Apr 29 10:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Improving The Linux Desktop \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx Server 1.16 ABI Breakage	Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	Causes Concern http://t.co/MQvPkQNUX1	Apr 29 10:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org \| xorg		Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gvy	Apr 29 10:13
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Sosumi	render farms yes	Apr 29 10:47
Sosumi	but editing software is mostly windows only	Apr 29 10:47
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cubezzz	Pixar ported all of it's internal software to Linux	Apr 29 10:53
cubezzz	it's just code	Apr 29 10:54
cubezzz	some places went from Irix to Linux	Apr 29 10:54
Sosumi	pixar...	Apr 29 10:55
Sosumi	I meant it as commercially available software	Apr 29 10:55
Sosumi	3dmax, cinema 4d	Apr 29 10:55
Sosumi	one is windows only and the other windows and osx	Apr 29 10:56
Sosumi	maya is the only one that runs on the three platforms	Apr 29 10:56
cubezzz	I assume you've heard of Houdini?	Apr 29 10:56
Sosumi	for cad/cam only siemens nx runs on three platforms	Apr 29 10:56
Sosumi	I don't do that kind of 3d	Apr 29 10:57
Sosumi	just some cad/cam for instrumentation	Apr 29 10:57
schestowitz__	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/	Apr 29 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Top tip, power users – upgrading Ubuntu may knacker your Linux PC • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/h7hgi ]		Apr 29 10:57
schestowitz__	Wow, I missed that trolling	Apr 29 10:57
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/stevens_phil/status/461078341353615360	Apr 29 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stevens_phil: @schestowitz @SEEVed So all of us who actually were using personal computers before MS existed were having some sort of shared hallucination		Apr 29 10:58
schestowitz__	Based on revisionists (well paid BTW), Free software is "new" (actually was default before Jobs and Gates)	Apr 29 10:59
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461080763048292352	Apr 29 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And the link to Gavin's article on Munich's adoption of Kolab uses Karl Marx' likeness. http://t.co/oPjb3saUJi		Apr 29 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And the link to Gavin's article on Munich's adoption of Kolab uses Karl Marx' likeness. http://t.co/oPjb3saUJi		Apr 29 10:59
cubezzz	well, Ken Thompson did address that point a while back regarding free software	Apr 29 11:01
Sosumi	the issue of trusting trust	Apr 29 11:01
Sosumi	http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html	Apr 29 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cm.bell-labs.com \| ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust [ http://ur1.ca/be80 ]		Apr 29 11:01
cubezzz	he sent out 9 track mag tapes to people who wanted the code, but it wasn't expliciting "free software"	Apr 29 11:02
cubezzz	and before that you bought a machine worth major $$$ and you got the software 'free'	Apr 29 11:02
cubezzz	explicitly rather	Apr 29 11:03
cubezzz	after AT&T was broken up they were allowed to charge for software	Apr 29 11:04
Sosumi	I know that mentality	Apr 29 11:04
cubezzz	so they kept charging more and more over time for unix	Apr 29 11:04
Sosumi	my grandfather is the same	Apr 29 11:04
cubezzz	hmmm?	Apr 29 11:05
Sosumi	buy the machine and expect all the software or at least the OS to be there free	Apr 29 11:05
Sosumi	which isn't the case anymore	Apr 29 11:05
Sosumi	and on specialized systems it comes under the form of a subscription	Apr 29 11:06
Sosumi	that sometimes gets added to the total price of the machine	Apr 29 11:06
cubezzz	well yeah	Apr 29 11:06
Sosumi	it just depends on well you manage to negotiate the contract	Apr 29 11:07
Sosumi	*on how well	Apr 29 11:07
cubezzz	well you could assemble from parts, burn an iso and off you go	Apr 29 11:07
Sosumi	naaah	Apr 29 11:07
Sosumi	can't do that with power machines	Apr 29 11:07
cubezzz	you certainly can, I built my server from parts ages ago	Apr 29 11:08
Sosumi	power isn't available on retail	Apr 29 11:08
cubezzz	go to Tyan, buy whatever server motherboard you like	Apr 29 11:08
Sosumi	you need to get it directly from ibm	Apr 29 11:08
Sosumi	sparc would be the same, but I have no idea if oracle is still developing it	Apr 29 11:09
Sosumi	as for a vms system, you'd need to get it from hp, but itanium is dead	Apr 29 11:09
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/461084703336837121	Apr 29 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz @stevens_phil an example http://t.co/tkbHtGN6mP Hackers - wizards of the electronic age		Apr 29 11:10
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Sosumi	for an arm server	Apr 29 11:10
Sosumi	you'd also need to get it from hp	Apr 29 11:10
Sosumi	or some other OEM that sell them	Apr 29 11:10
Sosumi	I did say "specialized"	Apr 29 11:10
schestowitz__	http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/apr/28/rupert-everett-london-soho-prostitution	Apr 29 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Rupert Everett: 'We've lost our London – and Soho is the last victim' \| Cities \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/h7hj2 ]		Apr 29 11:11
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4002353	Apr 29 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bluszcz@idoru.pl reshared: ### #Microsoft must release #email #data held on #Dublin #server *** A #judge in the #US has ordered Microsoft to hand over a #customer's emails, even though the data is held on a server in #Ireland. Microsoft has previously taken steps to reassure customers that data held on servers #abroad should not be subject to #search #warrants by US #authorities. It follows concerns about data #privacy after allegati		Apr 29 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.com \| BBC News - Microsoft 'must release' data held on Dublin server [ http://ur1.ca/h7hl6 ]		Apr 29 11:21
schestowitz__	so when will Microsoft be forced to release the stolen money it stashed in Ireland? (tax evasion)	Apr 29 11:21
MinceR	once m$ is no longer in control of the us government :>	Apr 29 11:21
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/461087400605671426	Apr 29 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz @stevens_phil Apple and Microsoft's software would never have existed with out academic collaboration with free software		Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	MinceR: this is uk	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	the little bro of the US	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	used to be the opposite	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	S even stole Canada from the UK	Apr 29 11:22
MinceR	oh, so it's taxes that should have been paid to the uk...	Apr 29 11:22
cubezzz	the older bro :)	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	Canada (Harper) now takes order from the US	Apr 29 11:22
MinceR	then when it's no longer in control of the uk government	Apr 29 11:22
MinceR	"Airstrip One"	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	I hope so	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	BUT	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	THis is not good news	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	1. it shows abuses relating to surveillance	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	2. it shows Microsoft as pretending to respect mail privacy, which is a lie	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	it's bad on several sides	Apr 29 11:23
MinceR	what's new?	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	I'd rather see UK gov going after MS for tax evasion	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461089084119977984	Apr 29 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz The more I read of it, the more I feel solitary confinement is unethical and a form of torture.		Apr 29 11:28
schestowitz__	https://pod.geraspora.de/uploads/images/scaled_full_0524d290dbc10981d57c.jpg	Apr 29 11:51
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schestowitz__	http://25.media.tumblr.com/1caccd9c2d7eca9921fcf5b4e86c5473/tumblr_n2rbp9sYeu1r3vhdfo1_500.gif	Apr 29 11:56
MinceR	ew	Apr 29 11:57
schestowitz__	That's what the dog said	Apr 29 12:01
MinceR	i doubt it	Apr 29 12:01
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4000920	Apr 29 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@riotboardgame@joindiaspora.com: *Protestor helps cop install VLC media player* ![](http://pasauliolietuvis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Kijevas_2013-11-24_b.jpg) #vlc #media #player #install		Apr 29 12:02
schestowitz__	LMAO	Apr 29 12:02
MinceR	for one thing, dogs eat their own vomit. and for another thing, they can't speak.	Apr 29 12:02
MinceR	oh, also, they sniff each other's asses.	Apr 29 12:02
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schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4000591	Apr 29 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@joebraun@diasp.org: So, #Obama says that mass executions in #Egypt would be a "dangerous precident". That oughta stop 'em.		Apr 29 12:10
schestowitz__	Said Mr. Drones	Apr 29 12:10
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/TheresaMay_MP/status/461016347787685888	Apr 29 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheresaMay_MP: How to get to work during a #tubestrike http://t.co/RnfY1ZWlCY		Apr 29 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheresaMay_MP: How to get to work during a #tubestrike http://t.co/RnfY1ZWlCY		Apr 29 12:29
schestowitz__	> Yeah. Time has a big reader base though. :( I used both BASIC and	Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__	> Pascal and thought Pascal was all-around better for most things,	Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__	> including learning. BASIC, however, had better support for low-res	Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__	> graphics.	Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__	>	Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__	> Through attrition of other sources Gates boosters are slowly re-writing	Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__	> history. Not only do sites disappear but old ones get corrupted (e.g.	Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__	> slashdot and thereg)	Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__	>	Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__	> Pretty soon we'll have them claiming Bill invented the Internet.	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	It all started when Microsoft invented Hotmail ;-) with BSD.	Apr 29 12:45
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Sosumi	didn't M$ buy hotmail?	Apr 29 13:38
MinceR	they did	Apr 29 13:40
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schestowitz__	that's why it's funny	Apr 29 14:09
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330	Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #war		Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__	"Bahareh Bisheh:	Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__	This little girl is my cousin and she actually fell asleep on the asphalt just outside my house. She must have played for some time and just lied to rest and fell asleep. im used a chair to stand on in order to take this shot. There is no orphanage involved and no tragic story behind this. i took this opportunity to be creative. It is a style of photography You can use my photos in your webblag If you mention my name as the	Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__	photographer of this photo. thanks to all for the consideration ."	Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__	Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1i8k06/the_little_girl_has_never_seen_her_mother_so_she/	Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The little girl has never seen her mother, so she drew a mom on the ground and fell asleep with her. Iraqi Orphanage. : pics [ http://ur1.ca/h7ikc ]		Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/damianjread/status/461131056188768256	Apr 29 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@damianjread: Lol well said. "@schestowitz: @David_Cameron That's how strikes work. Without disruption there's no effect." Camerons #IvoryTower		Apr 29 14:13
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/461133123040722945	Apr 29 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrymccracken: @schestowitz I don't say that. I don't even say something sort of like this.		Apr 29 14:21
schestowitz__	It is implied by the latter parts.	Apr 29 14:21
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/461132883525390336	Apr 29 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@candtalan: .@clarecurranmp @schestowitz Clare hopefully you are aware of #Ubuntu? #french #chinese #everyone http://t.co/spqCtM7leq @omgubuntu		Apr 29 14:22
schestowitz__	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/13/raiders_of_the_lost_altair/	Apr 29 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Raiders of the Lost Altair BASIC Source Code • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/h7inw ]		Apr 29 14:24
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/461134328903532545	Apr 29 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@candtalan: .@TheresaMay_MP @schestowitz Mmm. Has Barbara Streisand visited there lately at all?		Apr 29 14:29
schestowitz__	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borland	Apr 29 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Borland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Apr 29 14:41
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/461134191166357504	Apr 29 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrymccracken: @schestowitz C'mon, you're being ridiculous and making claims about my article that have nothing to do with what I actually wrote.		Apr 29 14:41
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4000038	Apr 29 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Out in the Open: Occupy Wall Street Reincarnated as Open Source Software http://www.wired.com/2014/04/loomio/ #ows #freesw #freedom		Apr 29 14:44
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schestowitz__	"I see almost no connection between Loomio and Occupy other than that they both made decisions - a pretty tenuous link at best."	Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3998813	Apr 29 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shame on Google for making it so exceptionally hard to block ads in Chrome under Android. Firefox makes that simple. #google #surveillance		Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__	"Mozilla is not an advertising company. Google is."	Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__	Mozilla is becoming an advertising company though	Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/the_other_jon/status/461144738687488000	Apr 29 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@the_other_jon: @schestowitz How do you get that from am article about BASIC?		Apr 29 15:08
schestowitz__	opwnashing of Microsoft BASIC, omission of criticism of Microsoft's actions at the time, etc.	Apr 29 15:09
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/phd9/status/461146972855222273 https://twitter.com/the_other_jon/status/461146995013345280 https://twitter.com/phd9/status/461147956541132800	Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@phd9: @schestowitz @harrymccracken All I know is that when Visual Basic came out, my abilities as a coder instantly quadrupled.		Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@the_other_jon: @schestowitz But the article was about BASIC. In what way is criticism about a vendor appropriate? Should an article about C slam AT&T?		Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@phd9: @harrymccracken @schestowitz https://t.co/CS59PHsSNz		Apr 29 15:27
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461148599825350657	Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Man "forgotten" in solitary confinement for two years awaiting trial for DUI. http://t.co/jMRRXiCQcn		Apr 29 15:27
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MinceR	gn	Apr 27 00:19
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cubezzz	well hwinfo is definitely an eye opener	Apr 27 01:41
cubezzz	it can probe a ton of info	Apr 27 01:44
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gulag2014	Windows subscription model is on the horizon. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/the-inevitable-arrival-of-subscription-based-windows/?comments=1	Apr 27 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| The inevitable arrival of subscription-based Windows \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h6xzj ]		Apr 27 04:42
cubezzz	good	Apr 27 05:40
cubezzz	that will drive more folks off windows	Apr 27 05:41
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Sosumi	http://www.voltairenet.org/article183486.html	Apr 27 08:17
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schestowitz__	Sosumi: sounds like bullshit	Apr 27 08:49
schestowitz__	I've just started reading some bits	Apr 27 08:50
Sosumi	it was just another view	Apr 27 08:50
schestowitz__	RT cited and some of the silly theories that the US had something to do with it	Apr 27 08:50
schestowitz__	Boeing messed up	Apr 27 08:50
schestowitz__	And they don't even know where	Apr 27 08:50
schestowitz__	Using the incident to interject some disdain for something in the west	Apr 27 08:51
Sosumi	others are saying that someone did it in order to get their hands on the freescale engineers that were on board of that plane	Apr 27 08:52
Sosumi	because of the renessas chip	Apr 27 08:52
Sosumi	as for me, I'm not familiar with airplane control and I've haven't yet had the time to look into it	Apr 27 08:52
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schestowitz	[11:01] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460350719925960704	Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz Might help Russia to weed out comments by NSA.		Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	[11:01] <schestowitz> well, that's anothr problem, government astroturfing	Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	[11:02] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/sumLucifer/status/460348947404320768	Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sumLucifer: @schestowitz @Nildam85 Campus activism should start with learning civics and history. NSA scoops up everything, always has. duh... 'Merka!		Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460348669040926720	Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz Good with power? Libya destroyed during her rein of terror		Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	Exactly, that was the goal. They showed Libya who the boss was. Sendign signal to M-E.	Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460343692566757377	Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Canadian Government’s ‘Secure’ Phones Come Straight from the #NSA http://t.co/EvjzN5ZLIi so Canada is working for the US now		Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.oodaloop.com \| OODA Loop - The Canadian Government's 'Secure' Phones Come Straight from the NSA		Apr 27 11:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460343459246002176	Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz: "Police shouldn’t be able to search people’s emails without a warrant" http://t.co/5QFBIuCsRk not terrorism-related		Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thehill.com \| Privacy backers looking for email protections \| TheHill		Apr 27 11:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460359609673596930	Apr 27 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz If she's elected I'm going to turn my back on America...		Apr 27 11:10
schestowitz	A whole continent?!	Apr 27 11:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460360706815442944	Apr 27 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz If US citizens continue to vote for rat bastards....then YES		Apr 27 11:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460361484858441728	Apr 27 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz sending the message to Iran that their next		Apr 27 11:39
schestowitz	They have them surrounded by US bases already. Soon in Syria too?	Apr 27 11:39
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swamyforpm/status/460366184865476608	Apr 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swamyforpm: @schestowitz @wikileaks U-turn https://t.co/BFMcgOoYO3 https://t.co/YhIXgQDd3E #WikiLeaks #YellowJournalism #YellowActivism		Apr 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: @Swamy39 Swamy provided political intelligence about election issues, but there's no evidence of being an agent. https://t.co/qgkWFzvAbl		Apr 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: #IndiaVotes2014: Best right wing perspective on @Swamy39 Indira Gandhi cable by @drankuag http://t.co/UAyKf0lwiM #india #WikiLeaks		Apr 27 11:41
schestowitz	http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1398579860310978.jpg	Apr 27 11:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460373873179910144	Apr 27 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz they gave up on Syria because of Russia now looks like they are targeting Ukraine instead		Apr 27 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft	Apr 27 12:17
TweetTuxMachines	cuts XP support http://t.co/W6c5BdzVnt	Apr 27 12:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h70bs	Apr 27 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft cuts XP support \| Tux Machines		Apr 27 12:17
MinceR	geekings	Apr 27 12:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460383209885532160	Apr 27 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz: Leon Panetta, former director of #cia : America's greatest threat is from within http://t.co/2fTb3xwr3n dissent as "terror"		Apr 27 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> billingsgazette.com \| Panetta: America's greatest threat is from within		Apr 27 12:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/460386061999697920	Apr 27 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz first hand I can say many other govts do respect law of nations and do NOT abuse their embassies the way the US does		Apr 27 13:02
schestowitz	Exceptionalism runs deep in the veins of some diplomats. "We meant well..."	Apr 27 13:03
Sosumi	of good intentions is hell filled	Apr 27 13:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/460389058309783552	Apr 27 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz the ends never justify the means...and too often the ends are horrific too		Apr 27 13:06
schestowitz	Not for the corporations, they klnow what's good for them	Apr 27 13:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460390381176520704	Apr 27 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: Causing a #Commotion MT @schestowitz: #usaid used 'social' network to destablise gov't. Could do same for anonymity. http://t.co/VtkG6hozLg		Apr 27 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thespec.com \| More Internet than the Internet		Apr 27 13:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/460390742956199936	Apr 27 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz a foreigner's opinion		Apr 27 13:46
schestowitz	No, check the polls. Only around 9% approval for Senate among US citizens.	Apr 27 13:46
schestowitz	http://www.taz.de/uploads/images/684x342/anwalt-assange.20110112-13.jpg	Apr 27 13:53
schestowitz	http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/interview/stallman-only-victims-of-tyranny-should-use-facebook-23600	Apr 27 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techweekeurope.co.uk \| Stallman: Only Victims Of Tyranny Should Use Facebook \| TechWeekEurope UK [ http://ur1.ca/h70s6 ]		Apr 27 13:55
schestowitz	"	Apr 27 13:56
schestowitz	Stallman supports WikiLeaks, despite accusations against Julian Assange: “Even if all the nasty things being said about Assange were true, I would still consider him a hero.”	Apr 27 13:56
schestowitz	He also said the “torture” of Bradley Manning, the soldier who allegedly supplied material to WikiLeaks, may be designed to implicate Assange and allow him to be extradited to the US.	Apr 27 13:56
schestowitz	He spoke against Facebook, saying in principle no one should use it because “abuse of personal information is Facebook’s business model”. However, since Facebook had a positive role in the Egyptian uprising, he would sanction its use “if you are living in a country with a tyrranical government.”	Apr 27 13:56
schestowitz	"	Apr 27 13:56
msb__	Sosumi: ?	Apr 27 14:03
schestowitz	stupid jheadline: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/julian-assange-punches-out-priest_n_5196551.html	Apr 27 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com \| Julian Assange Punches Out Priest On Easter Sunday [ http://ur1.ca/h70v5 ]		Apr 27 14:11
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/XkEME	Apr 27 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| Gun Questions: Round 9 ("Designed to kill?") - Imgur		Apr 27 14:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460407578317426689	Apr 27 14:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz How much should be the price of women's rights & the rule of law? #Assange should just be allowed to ignore assault complaints?		Apr 27 14:42
schestowitz	Assange is not besieged by British authorities because of women's rights but because of Wikileaks	Apr 27 14:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460410811589349376	Apr 27 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz she has to position herself, thus, if she's running		Apr 27 14:43
schestowitz	The threat to her is not GOP but "third party" candidates like Greens	Apr 27 14:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460410956603195393	Apr 27 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz I keep up with A LOT, following you. But even an #OptimisticPessimist sometimes needs a funny cat pic tweet from Snowden files		Apr 27 14:44
schestowitz	Sometimes I post cat pictures, but too much of it dilutes from important news :-)	Apr 27 14:45
schestowitz	I will post some "lighter" stuff for you	Apr 27 14:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gerge42/status/460413077373341696	Apr 27 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gerge42: @SandraEckersley @schestowitz U mean like Snowden ignores his extr.request? Snowden is free while JA is stuck in an embassy.		Apr 27 14:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/460413478457839616	Apr 27 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz disliking does not eliminate legitimacy, but there are no good guys on either side of the Bundy conflict		Apr 27 14:46
schestowitz	I don't like the pro-Bundy folks, but I think they're a symptom of true perception that money rules gov	Apr 27 14:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460415530437197824	Apr 27 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz agreed. Viz. Nader's run.		Apr 27 14:51
schestowitz	Nader has been thoroughly demonised. I think he'll find it hard now.	Apr 27 14:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417208905367552	Apr 27 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Yup. Cat pics mentioned at recent Sci for the People conf cc @samueljredman @limako @ColdWarScience @isaiah_thompson #SFtP14		Apr 27 14:58
schestowitz	http://t.co/CPY648LzEr	Apr 27 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-friendsofiris.wordpress.com \| #FriendsOfIRIS #Sustainability #YorkU \| Transparent \| Inclusive \| Accessible		Apr 27 14:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417422873604096	Apr 27 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Tnx! I need it to keep me positive as I deal with: http://t.co/CPY648LzEr		Apr 27 14:59
schestowitz	Knowing negatives doesn't need to keep one down. Not knowing the negatives should. Awareness leads to solutions.	Apr 27 15:00
schestowitz	The war on Net Neutrality (soft censorship) is a big negative but news sites everywhere cover it, so there's resistance. #sopa	Apr 27 15:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417829355810817	Apr 27 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Plus, isn't he really old? born February 27, 1934 (#Wikipedia)		Apr 27 15:02
schestowitz	I doubt he's that old. He looks 10 years younger.	Apr 27 15:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460418117009932288	Apr 27 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz OK, time to for me to stop #Faffing & get on with real work: grading final exams & finishing an annotated bibliography!		Apr 27 15:02
schestowitz	"Real world/work is indoctrination-imposed term that belittless what matters a lot, e.g. climate activism	Apr 27 15:04
msb__	The philosophy of Ayn Rand is the basis for much of libertarianism and conservatism. Here are some analyses of it -- interesting reading:	Apr 27 15:05
msb__	http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/23348-10-things-i-learned-about-the-world-from-ayn-rands-insane-atlas-shrugged	Apr 27 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readersupportednews.org \| 10 Things I Learned About the World from Ayn Rand's Insane 'Atlas Shrugged' [ http://ur1.ca/h715p ]		Apr 27 15:06
msb__	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/12/1119294/-Ryan-s-Hero-Ayn-Rand-Worshiped-A-Serial-Killing-Psychopath	Apr 27 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com \| Ryan's Hero, Ayn Rand, Worshiped A Serial Killing Psychopath! [ http://ur1.ca/h715x ]		Apr 27 15:06
msb__	http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/08/mark-ames-paul-ryans-guru-ayn-rand-worshipped-a-serial-killer-who-kidnapped-and-dismembered-little-girls.html	Apr 27 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com \| Mark Ames: Paul Ryan’s Guru Ayn Rand Worshipped a Serial Killer Who Kidnapped and Dismembered Little Girls \| naked capitalism [ http://ur1.ca/h7160 ]		Apr 27 15:07
schestowitz	http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif	Apr 27 15:13
schestowitz	msb__: heh	Apr 27 15:14
schestowitz	well, daily kos	Apr 27 15:14
schestowitz	dirt by association	Apr 27 15:14
MinceR	there's msb__'s favorite in the top left corner :>	Apr 27 15:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460421525292593152	Apr 27 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz LOL, try telling that to my students& publisher :) Anyhoo, they're all well versed in #ClimateChange science. #ProudProfessor		Apr 27 15:15
schestowitz	MinceR: LOL, not quite	Apr 27 15:15
schestowitz	he trusts Putin	Apr 27 15:15
schestowitz	Putin guards the oligarchs	Apr 27 15:15
schestowitz	so he's a Thatcherite perhaps	Apr 27 15:16
MinceR	you think he realizes that?	Apr 27 15:16
schestowitz	(Putin)	Apr 27 15:16
msb__	MinceR: top left corner of which page?	Apr 27 15:16
MinceR	161335 < schestowitz> http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif	Apr 27 15:16
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditMicrosoft favourited 'GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft...'		Apr 27 15:20
TweetTuxMachines	@Spock444 Baseboard morphs BeagleBone Black into 3.5-inch	Apr 27 15:20
TweetTuxMachines	SBC \| via @tuxmachines	Apr 27 15:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AlZ9abHohp	Apr 27 15:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7192	Apr 27 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scoop.it \| Baseboard morphs BeagleBone Black into 3.5-inch...		Apr 27 15:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460422541476388864	Apr 27 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz IMO Nader looks young 'cos he's so active/activist. It's like moisturizer! Likewise, David Schindler & @DavidSuzuki in Canada.		Apr 27 15:20
msb__	I don't totally trust Putin, but he's trying to prevent the US from controlling the entire world by its military force, which is a very good thing. And he hasn't invaded other nations and slaughtered millions of people.	Apr 27 15:20
schestowitz	msb__: : scroll up	Apr 27 15:21
schestowitz	I didn't know Suzuki was almost 78, but Japanese have long lifespan and appearance different	Apr 27 15:21
schestowitz	msb__: has Obama??	Apr 27 15:22
msb__	But MinceR says Stalin is "my favorite". MinceR keeps lying about me, and his lies are easily refuted simply by quoting my previous remarks.	Apr 27 15:22
schestowitz	Putin has not been ruling Russia/USSR for a century	Apr 27 15:22
schestowitz	Obama inherits the major wars from Bush	Apr 27 15:23
msb__	schestowitz: Obama destroyed Libya.	Apr 27 15:23
msb__	... because it was socialist.	Apr 27 15:23
MinceR	he's trying to prevent the US from controlling the entire world by controlling the entire world himself	Apr 27 15:23
msb__	MinceR: You're lying again. What part of the entire world is Putin trying to control, other than the Eastern part of Ukraine?	Apr 27 15:24
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MinceR	georgia, for example	Apr 27 15:25
msb__	...which does not want to be controlled by the Nazis that the US has inflicted on Ukraine.	Apr 27 15:25
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MinceR	also, you keep defending communist dictatorships but Stalin is not your favorite	Apr 27 15:25
MinceR	cool story, bro.	Apr 27 15:25
msb__	MinceR: Georgia in what way?	Apr 27 15:26
MinceR	in the way that they invaded it.	Apr 27 15:26
MinceR	and putin is probably eyeing the baltic states and hungary now	Apr 27 15:26
schestowitz	!google lawsuit gorbachev	Apr 27 15:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Russian MPs seek to sue Gorbachev over USSR collapse ... - RT.com \| http://rt.com/politics/gorbachev-ussr-collapse-lawsuit-568/	Apr 27 15:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Russian MPs seek to sue Gorbachev over USSR collapse ... - RT.com \| http://rt.com/politics/gorbachev-ussr-collapse-lawsuit-568/comments/	Apr 27 15:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Russian dissident who copied the Gorbachev Foundation's archive ... \| http://english.hotnews.ro/stiri-top_news-6209804-russian-dissident-who-copied-the-gorbachev-foundations-archive-mitterrand-and-gorbachev-wanted-the-european-socialist-union-thatcher-opposed-germanys-reunification.htm	Apr 27 15:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Novaya Gazeta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Gazeta	Apr 27 15:31
schestowitz	So we know what Russian MPs want	Apr 27 15:31
schestowitz	I have to agree with MinceR on this	Apr 27 15:31
msb__	MinceR: Looks like that was the result of a conflict between parts of Georgia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Georgia_war	Apr 27 15:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Russo-Georgian war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h71bp ]		Apr 27 15:31
schestowitz	US is on the brink of debt-induced collapse	Apr 27 15:31
schestowitz	It almost went bust in Gaegan era	Apr 27 15:32
schestowitz	And Russia must be feelign like now is the time to make a move	Apr 27 15:32
MinceR	yeah, putin is good at making it look like they're merely helping russians out in internal conflicts	Apr 27 15:32
schestowitz	US alienated many allies	Apr 27 15:32
schestowitz	including many in Europe, not to mention east Asia, S America...	Apr 27 15:32
schestowitz	msb__: Russia invaded Georgia when US and UK invaded Iraq	Apr 27 15:33
MinceR	hitler was also good at this	Apr 27 15:33
schestowitz	They used it as (partly) an excuse	Apr 27 15:33
schestowitz	Israel did the same in Gaza	Apr 27 15:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460426133805477888	Apr 27 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @DavidSuzuki David Schindler b. 1940. I'm also inspired by lots of vibrant 70 & 80 yr old women!		Apr 27 15:34
msb__	Russia was helping South Ossetia repel attacks by Georgia.	Apr 27 15:34
MinceR	except south ossetia was a part of georgia	Apr 27 15:35
schestowitz	Appearance is not always indicative of health. 'Surgeries' help prove this. Longevity with AD not nice, either.	Apr 27 15:35
MinceR	but don't let the facts in the way of your communist dictatorship propaganda.	Apr 27 15:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/460426848539639808	Apr 27 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Canada has been a US property at least since 2006, and probably long before.		Apr 27 15:36
msb__	[04/25/14 07:29] <msb__> That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.	Apr 27 15:36
MinceR	also, post-communist dictatorship propaganda	Apr 27 15:36
MinceR	yeah, it's always somebody else's fault	Apr 27 15:36
schestowitz	Funny that US got Alaska to 'protect' Russia from the British.	Apr 27 15:36
MinceR	because stalin is a saint	Apr 27 15:36
schestowitz	I read somewhere that UK was OK with Hitler as a tool for keeping STalin at bay (at first)	Apr 27 15:37
schestowitz	But the source was not so reliable	Apr 27 15:37
MinceR	maybe they were more afraid of stalin than hitler at the time	Apr 27 15:38
msb__	MinceR lies that Stalin is "my favorite", even though I called Stalin a psychopath.	Apr 27 15:38
MinceR	and yet nothing stalin ever did was ever stalin's fault	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	YYou trust Putin	Apr 27 15:38
MinceR	funny how things work in your world.	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	Not Stalin	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	Putin was a KGB officer in USSR	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	So he's as bad as can be	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	He's the lawless in a lawless 'state'	Apr 27 15:38
schestowitz	He represents some of the most vicious things about USSR	Apr 27 15:39
msb__	MinceR is lying again by putting the words in my mouth "nothing stalin ever did was ever stalin's fault". I never said any such thing,	Apr 27 15:39
MinceR	yeah, you say it with different words	Apr 27 15:40
schestowitz	"Stalin is ma homeboy" - msb__	Apr 27 15:40
MinceR	like 163601 < msb__> [04/25/14 07:29] <msb__> That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.	Apr 27 15:40
*schestowitz draws tshirt mockups		Apr 27 15:40
MinceR	btw, afaik psychopathy begins in childhood and is not brought on by trauma	Apr 27 15:40
schestowitz	!google beated up stalin childhood	Apr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - July-August 1999: Stalin at Home - Harvard Magazine \| http://harvardmagazine.com/1999/07/right.stalin.html	Apr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Early life of Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_Stalin	Apr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Stalin, from Child to Bolshevik Leader: 1878 to 1922 - Macrohistory \| http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch11-5b.htm	Apr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Joseph Stalin - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com \| http://www.history.com/topics/joseph-stalin	Apr 27 15:40
MinceR	same with ASPD, iirc	Apr 27 15:41
schestowitz	Spanking of children very common in Germany	Apr 27 15:41
MinceR	it's also promoted by abrahamic religion	Apr 27 15:41
schestowitz	many that explains why Bush W and his dad were such assholes	Apr 27 15:41
MinceR	"spare the rod and spoil the child" or some evil bullshit like that	Apr 27 15:41
msb__	schestowitz: " <schestowitz> "Stalin is ma homeboy" - msb__" Maybe yours, Roy, not mine.	Apr 27 15:41
schestowitz	!google prescott bush hitler	Apr 27 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power \| World news ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar	Apr 27 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush	Apr 27 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Bush Family Funded Adolf Hitler - Rense \| http://www.rense.com/general40/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm	Apr 27 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Prescott Bush - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to Power ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTnHnjmCYjy4	Apr 27 15:42
schestowitz	msb__: joke, exaggeration to the laughabke	Apr 27 15:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460428365720473600	Apr 27 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Pls advise, what's AD? Yup, I'm a plant demographer: N=B-D+I-E. #DeathComesAsTheEnd, Agatha Christie.		Apr 27 15:42
schestowitz	Azheimer disease. Some people live long in near vegetative state; some are lucid in their 90s.	Apr 27 15:43
schestowitz	Alzheimer	Apr 27 15:43
schestowitz	Some look good and young (with help of 'surgeries') and die early (many examples), others look old and keep on going	Apr 27 15:44
msb__	MinceR: Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma. Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this.	Apr 27 15:47
msb__	Stalinist Russia	Apr 27 15:48
MinceR	that doesn't seem to fit with the definition of psychopathy at all	Apr 27 15:48
MinceR	and certainly not every civilian who suffers under a communist dictatorship becomes a psychopath	Apr 27 15:48
msb__	The definition is having no empathy nor conscience, and unjustifiedly harming others.	Apr 27 15:49
MinceR	the definition is a lot more than that.	Apr 27 15:49
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Other_characteristics	Apr 27 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Psychopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Apr 27 15:50
MinceR	if you're interested in psychopathy, i think The Mask of Sanity is a good read.	Apr 27 15:50
msb__	I'm talking about psychopathic behavior in an entire culture (which may not include everyone in that culture).	Apr 27 15:51
msb__	Psychopathy of the US culture results, not from trauma, but from intentional Bernaysian mind-control programming by ultra-wealthy US psychopaths.	Apr 27 15:53
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3992422	Apr 27 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Chicago is dismantling public schools against public opinion. This is part of the Gates/Broad attack on education. Teachers are blamed for poor performance when the real problem is poverty at home and starvation budgets for the school. In Chicago, they seem to be exploiting racism too. Public money is funneled into private hands in the name of serving the poor. http://www.alternet.org/education/despite-commun		Apr 27 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.alternet.org \| Chicago Pursuing School Privatization at Any Cost \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/h71h0 ]		Apr 27 15:57
msb__	Basically that means that part of the school budget money is removed and given to private school owners as profit,	Apr 27 16:00
schestowitz	http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/26/us-brings-europe-to-brink-of-war-over-ukraine-intentionally/	Apr 27 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nsnbc.me \| US brings Europe to Brink of War over Ukraine - Intentionally \| nsnbc international [ http://ur1.ca/h71hm ]		Apr 27 16:01
schestowitz	"Don’t, said a German analyst who reiterates that the US is systematically pushing Europe into a crisis for which the US has planned for decades."	Apr 27 16:01
msb__	Leaving less for teacher salaries, students' books, computers, etc.	Apr 27 16:01
msb__	In WWII, the US attacked socialist Russia by funding Hitler's Nazis. In 2014, the US is attacking Russia by funding Nazis in Ukraine,	Apr 27 16:02
schestowitz	"US" as in plutocrats?	Apr 27 16:03
schestowitz	Or German-Americans?	Apr 27 16:03
msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis	Apr 27 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Apr 27 16:03
msb__	plutocrats	Apr 27 16:03
schestowitz	I don't think you can geenralise like this	Apr 27 16:03
schestowitz	US means US public	Apr 27 16:04
schestowitz	US corporations means somethign else	Apr 27 16:04
msb__	Certain US ultra-wealthy provided 75% of the funding for Hitler's military buildup.	Apr 27 16:04
msb__	...in order to have Hitler kill off Socialism, which was threatening the profits of the ultra-wealthy.	Apr 27 16:06
MinceR	and you're saying all this in support of someone who is a dictator in cahoots with at least one christian cult, leading an invasion based on the same kind of casus belli hitler used	Apr 27 16:09
MinceR	funny	Apr 27 16:09
msb__	No, MinceR, I'm not saying it in support of anybody. Stop lying by attributing to me things I never said. I am saying all this in order to explain the reasons behind what happened.	Apr 27 16:12
MinceR	you keep lying in support of putin's conquest campaign.	Apr 27 16:12
msb__	What conquest campaign?	Apr 27 16:13
MinceR	the one that's currently ongoing against ukraine	Apr 27 16:13
msb__	That was started by a proxy attack by the US, using Ukrainian Nazis. Putin is trying to protect Ukrainians who don't want to be ruled by those Nazis.	Apr 27 16:15
MinceR	so you saay.	Apr 27 16:15
MinceR	s/aa/a/	Apr 27 16:15
msb__	So many analysts say. Do I have to find them for you?	Apr 27 16:15
MinceR	do you also claim that hitler invaded czechoslovakia to protect the germans there?	Apr 27 16:15
msb__	No.	Apr 27 16:16
MinceR	putin's entire echo chamber says that? good for him.	Apr 27 16:16
MinceR	so what makes putin or ukraine special?	Apr 27 16:16
msb__	MinceR is claiming that most of the alternative press is "putin's entire echo chamber".	Apr 27 16:17
MinceR	also, who will protect ukrainians who don't want to be ruled by putin?	Apr 27 16:17
msb__	The duly elected govt of Ukraine, until it was overthrown by the Nazis supported by the US.	Apr 27 16:19
MinceR	who was a puppet of putin	Apr 27 16:19
MinceR	also, there are and were many dictators who were "elected", including hitler	Apr 27 16:19
msb__	I don't know, but he was elected.	Apr 27 16:19
MinceR	yeah, just like your favorite communist dictators keep getting "reelected"	Apr 27 16:19
MinceR	in races where nobody else is allowed to run	Apr 27 16:20
MinceR	but this is to be expected of someone who opposes democracy	Apr 27 16:20
msb__	Well, elections by a fully informed citizenry is the best that can be done.	Apr 27 16:20
MinceR	there are plenty more criteria for a fair election.	Apr 27 16:20
MinceR	also, are you saying that ukrainians were fully informed when they elected yanukovych?	Apr 27 16:21
msb__	MinceR: Were other candidates prevented from running in the Ukraine election?	Apr 27 16:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460434674620190720	Apr 27 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Neuroscience advances r amazing. Improved understanding of dynamic feedbacks are strengthening linkages to ecosystem theory :)		Apr 27 16:21
MinceR	i don't know	Apr 27 16:21
MinceR	but as far as i know, there were plenty of issues in ukraine before	Apr 27 16:22
msb__	MinceR: Then don't imply they were if you don't know.	Apr 27 16:22
MinceR	do you know?	Apr 27 16:22
MinceR	also, in many of the states you advertise here regularly, other candidates _are_ prevented from running.	Apr 27 16:23
MinceR	and that's what i was commenting on.	Apr 27 16:23
msb__	As to being fully informed, Ukraine has socialists, nazis, and centrists, so between their various news sources the public must have had access to the entire political spectrum.	Apr 27 16:25
MinceR	except that didn't even work for hungary.	Apr 27 16:26
MinceR	bbl	Apr 27 16:26
MinceR	re	Apr 27 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux as a replacement for Windows	Apr 27 17:38
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3991470	Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MSNBC's Chris Hayes calls Bundy ranch supporters 'insurgents' http://www.examiner.com/article/msnbc-s-chris-hayes-calls-bundy-ranch-supporters-insurgents characterising them like "terrorists"		Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	"	Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.examiner.com \| MSNBC's Chris Hayes calls Bundy ranch supporters 'insurgents' - Spokane Conservative \| Examiner.com [ http://ur1.ca/h72xe ]		Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	'anyone to the right of Josef Stalin'?	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	I guess.... Image/photo	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	"	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	It's a handy image	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3991855	Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__	"Money is power everywhere..."	Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #zuckerberg a politician (or political force) because money is power in the US http://kiwaradio.com/local-news/congressman-king-targeted-by-amnesty-ads-financed-by-facebooks-mark-zuckerberg/ https://www.numbersusa.com/news/boehner-mocks-house-republican-concerns-over-amnesty		Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> kiwaradio.com \| Congressman King Targeted By Amnesty Ads Financed By Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg \| KIWARadio.com [ http://ur1.ca/h72xs ]		Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.numbersusa.com \| Boehner Mocks House Republican Concerns Over Amnesty \| NumbersUSA [ http://ur1.ca/h72xu ]		Apr 27 20:09
schestowitz__	"And power becomes corruption..."	Apr 27 20:09
schestowitz__	Some systems put barriers in place, whereas SCOTUS rubberstamps the corruption into law (see recent court case)	Apr 27 20:10
schestowitz__	> http://mrpogson.com/2014/04/26/surface-loses/	Apr 27 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com \| Surface Loses \| Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/h72zt ]		Apr 27 20:14
schestowitz__	Article posted about it earlier. I wonder how long Enronsoft can go on for...	Apr 27 20:14
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3993573	Apr 27 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pretty soon, we could all be using the Dark Net http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/jamiebartlett/100013293/pretty-soon-we-could-all-be-using-the-dark-net/ #tor		Apr 27 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.telegraph.co.uk \| Pretty soon, we could all be using the Dark Net – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/h72vs ]		Apr 27 20:31
schestowitz__	"HAHAHA... Perfect analogy Chris. I2p is a darknet."	Apr 27 20:31
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3992404	Apr 27 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #europe 's #nuclear #risks. http://europeangreens.eu/nuclear		Apr 27 20:36
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schestowitz__	"That would need us to drop nuclear power completely. I hope it will happen, but I don't believe in humanity anymoer, as it failed me many times. Humanity acts in illogical way, completely discarding any foreseeing, acting without any imagination. Short-term benefits make humanity blind and deaf on the risk."	Apr 27 20:36
schestowitz__	"Russia wants a war. Look how close they put their country to our troops!"	Apr 27 20:36
MinceR	http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2023393433_apxrussiaputin.html	Apr 27 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-seattletimes.com \| Putin admits Crimea troops were his, calls east Ukraine 'new Russia' \| Nation & World \| The Seattle Times [ http://ur1.ca/h73cu ]		Apr 27 21:03
Sosumi	he'd would have been smarter and more historically accurate then if he had called ukraine "little russia"	Apr 27 21:08
Sosumi	or russinia	Apr 27 21:08
MinceR	:>	Apr 27 21:08
schestowitz__	MinceR: can we trust the source though?	Apr 27 21:36
MinceR	dunno	Apr 27 21:36
schestowitz__	Putin's press versus Wall Streeet's (Bloomberg)	Apr 27 21:36
schestowitz__	Sounds like propaganda to me	Apr 27 21:36
schestowitz__	not just because of the source but because it conflcts with other things I read	Apr 27 21:37
schestowitz__	just more infowars	Apr 27 21:37
MinceR	there's probably video of it	Apr 27 21:37
schestowitz__	!google hillary clinton information war losing	Apr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Hillary Clinton: US Losing Information War to Alternative Media ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DLyjnEm8DZkI	Apr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Who Does Hillary Think is Losing the Information War? - The Rush ... \| http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/02/21/who_does_hillary_think_is_losing_the_information_war	Apr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Sec. of State Hillary Clinton: Al Jazeera is 'Real News', U.S. Losing ... \| http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/03/sec-of-state-hillary-clinton-al-jazeera-is-real-news-us-losing-information-war/	Apr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Hillary Clinton: 'America Is Losing' An Information War That 'Al ... \| http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-clinton-claims-al-jazeera-is-winning-an-information-war-that-america-is-losing/	Apr 27 21:37
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schestowitz__	I think she also commended Russia Today	Apr 27 21:38
schestowitz__	Can't recall if it was her	Apr 27 21:38
schestowitz__	I think people turn to such channels now because they can trust these more than the corporations'	Apr 27 21:38
schestowitz__	MinceR: it's an AP report actually	Apr 27 21:39
schestowitz__	i studied who runs it a while back, and Reuters	Apr 27 21:39
MinceR	i mean, video of putin saying whatever	Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press	Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__	"Headquarters New York City, New York, U.S."	Apr 27 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Associated Press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73kg ]		Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__	I remembered this correctlu	Apr 27 21:40
Sosumi	aren't reuters and AP owned by the same dudes?	Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__	income and revenue down for AP	Apr 27 21:41
schestowitz__	people go elsewhere for info	Apr 27 21:41
schestowitz__	and papers that license APT articles go under or lose readers to blogs and stuff, I gues	Apr 27 21:41
schestowitz__	AP pretends to be intl'	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	cooperative	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	but it's steered from Wall Str.	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	and as my wife reads AP every day I can easily see their bias	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	US deaths count more	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	and most of thr world is not even front page material	Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__	So to expect US favouritism and acceptance (blind) of US conquest is natural	Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__	"they meant well..."	Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__	Good guys	Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__	"Cutbacks at longtime U.S. rival United Press International, most significantly in 1993, left the AP as the primary nationally oriented news service based in the United States, although UPI still produces and distributes news stories and photos daily. Other English-language news services, such as Reuters and the English-language service of Agence France-Presse, are based outside the United States."	Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AP_headquarters.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_associated_press_building_in_new_york_city.jpg	Apr 27 21:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| File:The associated press building in new york city.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73ll ]		Apr 27 21:44
schestowitz__	Not news from the people for the people by the people	Apr 27 21:44
schestowitz__	news from corporations, billionaires etc.	Apr 27 21:44
MinceR	gn	Apr 27 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Six clicks: Great tips and tricks for Android	Apr 27 23:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine 1.7.17 released http://t.co/R97lCBXB47	Apr 27 23:19
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_Goblin	schestowitz__, just heard the show...great stuff but you need to take the bass out of my voice a little....	Apr 27 23:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Re-sort KDE control modules	Apr 28 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qN9lmxT4o3	Apr 28 00:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Re-sort KDE control modules \| Tux Machines		Apr 28 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat: Certain To Grow With Rising Linux	Apr 28 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	Acceptance http://t.co/ifka7uY6mc	Apr 28 00:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft will continue to sell Nokia Android	Apr 28 00:45
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460549451711393792 https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460549968529354753	Apr 28 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz Rubbish. Totally invented. There are no charges bought against #Assange for anything published by #Wikileaks. Fact.		Apr 28 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz Every major publishing house has said they would help defend #Assange if he was ever charged over his publishing. No charges.		Apr 28 01:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel's P-State Driver Is Getting Better Tuned	Apr 28 04:23
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MinceR	geekings	Apr 28 09:13
schestowitz__	https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_eae6fb993cc93abedde4.jpg	Apr 28 09:15
schestowitz__	MinceR: http://c3.likes-media.com/img/ed6eaa768c2805d1f5cd0001b67592d2.600x.gif	Apr 28 10:21
schestowitz__	pussy https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_afdeb0eb86a4221ce9c8.jpg SFW	Apr 28 10:23
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Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/28/apple-regains-market-iphone5s-sales/	Apr 28 11:08
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Sosumi	blackberry kaput and windblows phone still trying to catch a favourable wind current	Apr 28 11:09
schestowitz__	in some countries	Apr 28 11:09
schestowitz__	lying with stats	Apr 28 11:09
schestowitz__	like calling out only stats in US	Apr 28 11:09
schestowitz__	as MS likes to do	Apr 28 11:09
schestowitz__	Apple too, I guess, or in japan	Apr 28 11:09
Sosumi	arrh it is like you're making android the divine god given mobile OS and the iphone os the devil	Apr 28 11:10
Sosumi	both are crap	Apr 28 11:11
Sosumi	the only version of android I'd touch would only be the open source one	Apr 28 11:11
Sosumi	free of the google snooping junk	Apr 28 11:11
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3996523	Apr 28 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #macrumors and other pro-Apple sites: finding angles to make positive-sounding #apple news even when the news is generally bad		Apr 28 11:12
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3996528	Apr 28 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ArsTechnica - couldn't be Arsed to actually #research #microsoft facts, so instead appointed a Microsoft prop to push Microsoft agenda		Apr 28 11:12
Sosumi	it is just some number to ponder about	Apr 28 11:12
schestowitz__	Sosumi: you can run FOSS on Android	Apr 28 11:12
schestowitz__	!google apple store gpl	Apr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Mac App Store - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_App_Store	Apr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - The GPL, the App Store, and you \| Breaking Apple News, Tips and ... \| http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/09/the-gpl-the-app-store-and-you/	Apr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - No GPL Apps for Apple's App Store \| ZDNet \| http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/8046	Apr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Why Is There No Version of Pidgin for iOS in the App Store? \| https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/WhyNoiOSVersion	Apr 28 11:12
schestowitz__	We use Firefox on Android for instance	Apr 28 11:12
schestowitz__	Although my wife starts preferring Chrome, unfortunately	Apr 28 11:13
schestowitz__	Also, many android phones can be modded and reflashed	Apr 28 11:13
schestowitz__	Apple makes it harder to even remove the batteries (surveillance even when turned off)	Apr 28 11:13
Sosumi	of the popular android phones around only the samsung lets you remove the battery	Apr 28 11:14
schestowitz__	hmmm... I didn't see many others	Apr 28 11:14
Sosumi	so for other manufacturers, HTC, LG...	Apr 28 11:14
schestowitz__	Maybe you're right, I didn't check	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	All models?	Apr 28 11:15
Sosumi	all the high end for sure	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	That's freaky weird	Apr 28 11:15
Sosumi	try to remove the battery on the nexus 5	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	I wonder if the FCC et al. will start pushing for this as 'standard'	Apr 28 11:15
Sosumi	or the htc one	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	the two mobile I used to use sometimes (bought anonymously) made it easy to remove the batts quickly	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	With Nexus 7 it's hard, but it's a tablet	Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__	gtg	Apr 28 11:16
schestowitz__	bbl	Apr 28 11:16
Sosumi	can't remove the battery on the LG G2 either	Apr 28 11:16
msb__	Doesn't the android OS do all sorts of things that the user may need to modify, thus need the source code of the OS and the ability to alter the OS image in the phone/tablet?	Apr 28 11:17
msb__	Such as communication with USB devices.	Apr 28 11:18
Sosumi	it can because google provides the source code, but then comes issues like drivers, optimization and so on	Apr 28 11:19
Sosumi	or features that as custom to specific maker and enabled only on his fork	Apr 28 11:20
Sosumi	like blinking leds	Apr 28 11:20
msb__	Right, you would need full info like you get with a GNU/Linux system.	Apr 28 11:20
Sosumi	that is why the best phones for such endeavours have been the nexus lines	Apr 28 11:20
Sosumi	they're just "simple"	Apr 28 11:21
Sosumi	there's also a manufacturer who sell cyanmogen mod flashed phones	Apr 28 11:21
Sosumi	I think it is called 1 plus one	Apr 28 11:21
Sosumi	http://oneplus.net/	Apr 28 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oneplus.net \| Home - OnePlus.net		Apr 28 11:22
msb__	Lots of additional features: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod	Apr 28 11:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Development Of Ubuntu 14.10 Has Already	Apr 28 11:36
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msb__	Sosumi: The OnePlus is interesting, but there's a lot of commercial hype in its website.	Apr 28 11:41
Sosumi	yeah	Apr 28 11:41
Sosumi	I noticed that	Apr 28 11:41
Sosumi	just wait and see	Apr 28 11:41
msb__	And it doesn't say whether the thing is open source or not.	Apr 28 11:41
Sosumi	probably asstechnica will review it or something	Apr 28 11:41
msb__	...or to what extent.	Apr 28 11:41
MinceR	Sosumi: the point is that android is _less_ crap than most of the others :>	Apr 28 11:41
MinceR	in many areas of IT, we can't help but settle for 'less crap'	Apr 28 11:42
Sosumi	aka, this turd smells less bad than the other	Apr 28 11:42
Sosumi	open source android is the way to go	Apr 28 11:44
Sosumi	but I'm not sure how's the deal with stores	Apr 28 11:44
Sosumi	or so to say if there's something similar to the ubuntu way of browsing software there	Apr 28 11:45
MinceR	https://ribanc.com/files/10314513_10203491704150423_3394958408642256854_n.jpg	Apr 28 11:50
MinceR	Sosumi: f-droid	Apr 28 11:50
Sosumi	FUBARing droid	Apr 28 11:51
Sosumi	it goes in and everything gets f'ed up beyond any recognition	Apr 28 11:52
Sosumi	just bits and pieces	Apr 28 11:52
MinceR	124141 < Sosumi> probably asstechnica will review it or something	Apr 28 11:57
MinceR	and then say "this is not a hypePhone, so it sucks"?	Apr 28 11:57
MinceR	or only index.hu does that every single time?	Apr 28 11:57
Sosumi	"asstechnica"	Apr 28 11:58
Sosumi	"ASStechnica"!	Apr 28 11:59
MinceR	arse technica	Apr 28 11:59
Sosumi	:)	Apr 28 12:00
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Sosumi	https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/460653370420649984	Apr 28 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NinaByzantina: If you see #Putin everywhere, it might be good to visit a psychiatrist. ;) \| Паранойя зашкаливает: пора к психиатору. http://t.co/20xoxEMRgv		Apr 28 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NinaByzantina: If you see #Putin everywhere, it might be good to visit a psychiatrist. ;) \| Паранойя зашкаливает: пора к психиатору. http://t.co/20xoxEMRgv		Apr 28 13:42
Sosumi	dalai lama on the top with his mysticism and superstition is better	Apr 28 13:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta Release	Apr 28 14:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Polishing the Rare Gem That Is Linux	Apr 28 14:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta Release \| Tux Machines		Apr 28 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Polishing the Rare Gem That Is Linux \| Tux Machines		Apr 28 14:13
msb__	Sosumi: Are you there?	Apr 28 14:24
Sosumi	I'am now	Apr 28 14:25
msb__	Cartoon Network showed the next to the last episode of Ghost in the Shell SAC first season Sunday morning.	Apr 28 14:27
msb__	There is a fair amount of philosophy in it. Motoko realizes that some of the tachikomas sacrificed themselves to save Batou's life. (Section 9 is being attacked by a corrupt branch of govt that Section 9 exposed.)	Apr 28 14:29
msb__	She thinks that maybe the tachikomas have developed ghosts, and wished she'd paid more attention to that before.	Apr 28 14:29
Sosumi	the tachikomas had developed personalities of their own	Apr 28 14:30
Sosumi	aka, they became differentiated	Apr 28 14:30
Sosumi	and the synching of information between them no longer guaranteed that the robots would behave the same	Apr 28 14:31
msb__	Yes, although they shared some of the personalities, because they frequently connected with one another.	Apr 28 14:31
Sosumi	to contribute to that was also Batou's attachment for a particular tachikoma	Apr 28 14:31
msb__	And they loved the "natural oil" that he have them.	Apr 28 14:31
Sosumi	yeah	Apr 28 14:32
msb__	But regardless of the differentiation or similarity of their personalities, they had developed ghosts -- consciousness.	Apr 28 14:32
msb__	They were not robots anymore, but synthetic people.	Apr 28 14:33
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 14:33
Sosumi	that is what "ghost" means consciousness, intuition, built on past experiences from situations, books and in general, life	Apr 28 14:35
msb__	Also Motoko and Batou were talking about how they each used physical objects -- she a wristwatch and he his (useless) weight-training equipment -- to remind themselves, or prove to themselves, that they were still people, even though they were fully cyberized, in synthetic bodies.	Apr 28 14:35
Sosumi	just because their bodies are made of inorganic matter doesn't mean that it wouldn't be alive	Apr 28 14:35
msb__	yes	Apr 28 14:36
Sosumi	it is memento of whom they were	Apr 28 14:36
msb__	Thus ghosts in the metallic shell.	Apr 28 14:36
Sosumi	if they had been born mechanical in the first place	Apr 28 14:36
Sosumi	they wouldn't have felt that way	Apr 28 14:37
msb__	Unless, like the tachikomas, they had evolved to it.	Apr 28 14:37
Sosumi	yes, but tachikomas wouldn't feel the need for such mementos	Apr 28 14:38
MinceR	http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1992.html	Apr 28 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geekculture.com \| The Joy of Tech comic... Net Neutrality walks into a bar... [ http://ur1.ca/h795o ]		Apr 28 14:38
MinceR	no plastic?	Apr 28 14:38
Sosumi	meh plastic	Apr 28 14:39
Sosumi	gief carbon nanotube	Apr 28 14:39
Sosumi	when crapple builds an hypephone out of that, I'll buy one	Apr 28 14:39
Sosumi	so I caqn flash it with open source android	Apr 28 14:39
msb__	In the 1995 GITS movie, Motoko pulls so hard on the hatch of a tank that she tears her skin, and reveals the mechanical parts underneath.	Apr 28 14:40
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 14:40
Sosumi	the lesson of the 1995 movie is that randomness is what keeps the things flowing	Apr 28 14:41
Sosumi	that was why motoko got togusa which is basically human out of the police	Apr 28 14:41
msb__	How so?	Apr 28 14:41
MinceR	carbon nanotubes are organic, aren't they?	Apr 28 14:41
Sosumi	to enter an element of randomness on the team of overspecialized and augmented members	Apr 28 14:42
MinceR	Sosumi: when crApple has Foxconn build a hypePhone out of carbon nanotubes, all their competitors will already have such products	Apr 28 14:42
msb__	MinceR: Yes, in that they are CHON, but they are not alive.	Apr 28 14:42
MinceR	neither are plastics	Apr 28 14:42
MinceR	and yet they're organic as well	Apr 28 14:42
Sosumi	and that the bodie is merely a vehicle for the mind	Apr 28 14:42
Sosumi	and what matters is the continuance of that same mind	Apr 28 14:42
Sosumi	also to ensure survivability the puppeteer chooses to merge with motoko	Apr 28 14:43
Sosumi	because merely copying himself over and over again would only lead to the stagnation of himself	Apr 28 14:43
Sosumi	and the change for him to be wiped clean	Apr 28 14:43
Sosumi	think of it on the same lines of animal diversity	Apr 28 14:44
msb__	Right, and, yes, he says that variability -- randomness -- is necessary to avoid stagnation.	Apr 28 14:44
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 14:44
Sosumi	carbon is organic	Apr 28 14:44
msb__	The word "organic" has two different meanings. In chemistry, it's compounds comprised of CHON, but elsewhere it means "alive" -- product of DNA, enzymes, etc.	Apr 28 14:45
MinceR	what's alive?	Apr 28 14:46
Sosumi	I am	Apr 28 14:46
Sosumi	what about you?	Apr 28 14:46
Sosumi	:P	Apr 28 14:46
MinceR	"Life is a characteristic distinguishing objects having signaling and self-sustaining processes from those that do not"	Apr 28 14:46
MinceR	it doesn't say anywhere that, say, a nanomachine couldn't be alive :>	Apr 28 14:47
msb__	Reproduction is another characteristic of being alive.	Apr 28 14:50
MinceR	which is yet another thing machines could be capable of	Apr 28 14:51
MinceR	grey goo, for example :>	Apr 28 14:51
msb__	So Motoko merges with the Puppet Master in the 1995 movie, who did have a synthetic origin. He was an AI created by some govt as a weapon, but evolved to consciousness in the Net.	Apr 28 14:51
Sosumi	it was built for edging international affairs	Apr 28 14:52
msb__	And in SAC season 2, she merges with the cyberized guy who was helping the refugees.	Apr 28 14:53
Sosumi	that was probably why it was so versed in philosophy	Apr 28 14:53
Sosumi	no idea about SAC2	Apr 28 14:53
Sosumi	I'm not fan of those series	Apr 28 14:53
Sosumi	in the movies is where the magic is	Apr 28 14:54
msb__	So you said. That's why I mentioned the philosophizing in that episode of SAC1. It's worth watching!	Apr 28 14:54
Sosumi	it is light philosophy, nothing special	Apr 28 14:55
msb__	Motoko remembers her childhood in SAC2.	Apr 28 14:55
Sosumi	I had read all that before in other books	Apr 28 14:55
msb__	Anyhow, I found a copy of Patlabor 1 and am about halfway through it. It's pretty good. I haven't found Patlabor 2 yet.	Apr 28 14:57
msb__	Thanks for suggesting them.	Apr 28 14:57
Sosumi	what goes on in gits has been written by Liebnitz, aristotle, plato, bertrand russel, norbert wiener, etc.	Apr 28 14:57
Sosumi	just go to kickass torrents	Apr 28 14:58
msb__	Yes, but it	Apr 28 14:58
Sosumi	the two movies are there	Apr 28 14:58
msb__	's much more fun in anime'!	Apr 28 14:58
msb__	Not Patlabor 2 dubbed, that I've found so far.	Apr 28 14:58
Sosumi	it is subbed	Apr 28 14:58
msb__	I don't like subtitles.	Apr 28 14:59
Sosumi	lol	Apr 28 14:59
msb__	Anyhow, nothing seeded in kat.	Apr 28 15:01
msb__	So what's your idea about why Motoko likes to work naked? I have three theories: 1. the thermoptic camo works better that way 2. she enjoys being a girl 3. fan service!	Apr 28 15:06
Sosumi	camo with fan service	Apr 28 15:07
Sosumi	and to make it look "adult"	Apr 28 15:08
msb__	Works for me!	Apr 28 15:08
msb__	An interesting thing I've noticed about anime's is that the characters aren't drawn with the epicanthic fold. They don't look Asian!	Apr 28 15:12
Sosumi	on ghost in the shell?	Apr 28 15:13
msb__	In any of them that I've seen. Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Inuyasha, to name the more famous ones.	Apr 28 15:14
Sosumi	no idea	Apr 28 15:14
msb__	I don't know if they're aiming for the US market, or if the creators don't like that facial feature themselves, which would be weird.	Apr 28 15:16
MinceR	or it's just extra complexity which would slow down drawing	Apr 28 15:16
MinceR	and wouldn't help with facial expressions	Apr 28 15:16
msb__	maybe	Apr 28 15:17
msb__	In GITS and Inuyasha, the locale is explicitly Japan.	Apr 28 15:19
Sosumi	gits is in a fictional "new port city"	Apr 28 15:20
Sosumi	after a war	Apr 28 15:21
msb__	But it is in Japan. At least the SAC series is.	Apr 28 15:21
msb__	And the faces are drawn fairly accurately, to look human, not cartoonish. But no folds.	Apr 28 15:23
msb__	I saw a movie a long time ago which had a woman getting, or wanting, plastic surgery to remove the fold, and the conflict this caused with her boyfriend.	Apr 28 15:30
MinceR	(javascript) http://alexnisnevich.github.io/untrusted/	Apr 28 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alexnisnevich.github.io \| Untrusted - a user javascript adventure game [ http://ur1.ca/h79hk ]		Apr 28 15:30
msb__	... who was maybe a US soldier/sailor? William Holden?	Apr 28 15:31
msb__	OK, a game in which you have to actually write javascript in order to play! Weird!	Apr 28 15:37
msb__	Sosumi: How about WXIII Patlabor the Movie 3? Is that one good?	Apr 28 15:42
Sosumi	it is ok	Apr 28 15:54
Sosumi	about synthetic biology	Apr 28 15:54
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msb__	Sosumi: Thanks!	Apr 28 16:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 143 French politicians pledge to support free	Apr 28 16:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux to the rescue! How Ubuntu can help a	Apr 28 16:15
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460681608362594304/photo/1	Apr 28 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: To the Record Industry Assoc. of America: @seeved @_goblin @schestowitz http://t.co/rVgQMmVy1t		Apr 28 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: To the Record Industry Assoc. of America: @seeved @_goblin @schestowitz http://t.co/rVgQMmVy1t		Apr 28 17:34
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460662905310945282	Apr 28 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @_Goblin @schestowitz great podcast Games could be made into free software if the concept of @Bittunes works out http://t.co/7RYayMwCw6		Apr 28 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bittunes.org \| bittunes… an independent digital music market - bittunes.org		Apr 28 17:41
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460677478856404992 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460675209150746624 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460674403937050624 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/46067358229765734	Apr 28 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes those that destroy talent for profit & set a artist status quo @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz major labels, publishers, rights collectors, intermediaries, aggregators, (a bloated value chain)		Apr 28 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes the middle men rec agencys? @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 17:45
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460673582297657344	Apr 28 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: and all the other pigs with their heads in the trough, go hungry... #disintermediation @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 17:45
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460671119851155456 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460669327562539008 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460663280961191936	Apr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: That's the idea... Both profit. "@SEEVed: @bittunes It looks like a model that will work for Users & Creators @_Goblin @schestowitz"		Apr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes It looks like a model that will work for Users & Creators @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz lots of potential.. But slowly slowly catch the monkey.		Apr 28 17:46
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460669327562539008	Apr 28 17:48
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460673582297657344 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460674403937050624 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460675209150746624 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460677478856404992	Apr 28 17:49
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	3 minutes ago	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1404_encryption&num=1	Apr 28 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] The Performance Impact Of Linux Disk Encryption On Ubuntu 14.04 LTS [ http://ur1.ca/h7b1r ]		Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	LUKS is pretty easy to set up on Ubuntu. All you need to do, really, is check "set up LVM" and "encrypt my partitions" (or something to that effect), and then enter a strong password.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	Pretty much everyone that takes their laptop with them through an international customs checkpoint or onto an airplane with them should do this. ICE and the TSA have a nasty habit of flipping open your laptop and searching it and/or copying all your files.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	Alarmingly, the Supreme Court has let them get away with this, even when they don't have probable cause or a warrant to search you.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	If your entire disk is encrypted with LUKS and you have a strong password, they're not going to get anything off of it.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	Windows, on the other hand, says you can use full disk encryption, but Microsoft gave most governments backdoors that instantly decrypt your hard drive.	Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC	schestowitz, What those videos that tell you what to say to the police don't tell you is that by saying any of that, you basically might as well be saying "Officer, please beat me up and then spend an hour tearing through my car, then make it legal later because the judge is an asshole, and throw in a resisting arrest charge as well, please."	Apr 28 19:37
DaemonFC	Saying anything other than the bare minimum that you legally have to to the police or filling out a "statement" of any kind is a really awful idea.	Apr 28 19:39
DaemonFC	When they say they want your side of the story, what they really mean is that they want you to talk, and they're hoping that you can give them some more damning information that they can use against you later. They're not looking to "be fair" about anything at all.	Apr 28 19:40
DaemonFC	The Indiana legal system is turning into something like those courts they have in China.	Apr 28 19:40
DaemonFC	Anyone who goes there is guilty by default, and the more you protest, the more guilty you must be.	Apr 28 19:41
DaemonFC	Although, I did have one friend that managed to go in there without a lawyer after wisely shutting the hell up during the whole process, and the state's case fell apart because they really had no evidence at all. I was shocked, because I've really never seen anyone go in there for anything without a lawyer and walk back out without shackles.	Apr 28 19:43
DaemonFC	I don't think that the system is as racist as people say it is, at least not directly. It treats POOR PEOPLE like shit, and it might be indirectly racist because more black people tend to be poor.	Apr 28 19:44
DaemonFC	Meanwhile, there was that rich white CEO that beat up his girlfriend over 100 times and then complained that he had to pay a $500 fine.	Apr 28 19:45
DaemonFC	It really is a system of inferior justice for the poor.	Apr 28 19:45
DaemonFC	If he had been making $20,000 a year and living in a trailer, he would have gotten a felony and a number of years in prison.	Apr 28 19:46
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Sosumi	luckily or not	Apr 28 21:55
Sosumi	I've had a test machine running windows 8.1 for 20 days non stop	Apr 28 21:57
DaemonFC	http://mashable.com/2014/04/28/microsoft-nadella-path-bug-xp/	Apr 28 21:57
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Sosumi	while learning my ways around VS and getting to know the whole .net crap	Apr 28 21:57
MinceR	...by closing shop.	Apr 28 21:57
DaemonFC	So, basically, there are millions of Windows XP systems out there that can all be taken over with this one bug.	Apr 28 21:57
Sosumi	with no issues nor any erratic behavior	Apr 28 21:57
Sosumi	the same I can't tell about a osx machine I have which starts displaying erratic behavior just after 3 days	Apr 28 21:58
Sosumi	or not clearing the ram	Apr 28 21:58
MinceR	someone mentioned that there are other well known unfixed bugs as well	Apr 28 21:58
MinceR	older ones, too	Apr 28 21:59
Sosumi	the IE zero day thing?	Apr 28 21:59
MinceR	yes	Apr 28 21:59
Sosumi	there was also a flash 0 day patch released today	Apr 28 21:59
MinceR	flash should also hurry up and die	Apr 28 21:59
Sosumi	yep because no tablet or phone supports it	Apr 28 22:00
MinceR	and because it sucks	Apr 28 22:00
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 22:00
MinceR	and because it's made by idiots who have no hope of ever making anything that does not suck	Apr 28 22:00
Sosumi	:)	Apr 28 22:01
Sosumi	ok one issue with the winblows machine	Apr 28 22:02
Sosumi	just discovered it now	Apr 28 22:02
Sosumi	after certain point, windows fails to automatically lock the issue	Apr 28 22:02
Sosumi	as I had it configured	Apr 28 22:02
sebsebseb	Sosumi: MinceR deam unforutnaty swithing these old WIndows XP machines over to LInux, is not always so simle nwo	Apr 28 22:03
sebsebseb	upstream have messed things up	Apr 28 22:04
sebsebseb	there's issues with isolinux syslinux whatever it was cuasing boot up probems	Apr 28 22:04
MinceR	no cd/dvd boot support?	Apr 28 22:04
sebsebseb	at least Mageia is trying to get such issues fixed for a Mageia 4.1 release, but I still haven't just been able to test iso'S for that on an old XP computer here, becuase of isuses with burners uh	Apr 28 22:04
DaemonFC	MinceR, The problem here is that Microsoft will patch this, but that the patch won't be publicly released, through official channels at least.	Apr 28 22:04
sebsebseb	MinceR: yes loads of verisons of distor's won't even boot up on that old omputer	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	from the last three years or so it seems or more	Apr 28 22:05
DaemonFC	What will happen is that the companies and government agencies that have paid a fortune for end of life support will still get the patches, but nobody else will, and millions of XP systems are going to become zombies.	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	MinceR: ,but i think what Mageia is having a fix for, is the issues I am on about	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	and don't tell me to dd some usb stick	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	and then try and boot that on the computer	Apr 28 22:05
MinceR	there are some distros and remixes that focus on older computers	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	,becaue I don't get anywhere iwth dd when I Tired before, to actsualy make a bootable USB	Apr 28 22:05
DaemonFC	I suppose that you could get the leaked hotfixes from a warez site, but that's an ironic place to have to go for security updates. :P	Apr 28 22:05
sebsebseb	MinceR: no it's a boot up issue	Apr 28 22:06
sebsebseb	MinceR: not the distro itself	Apr 28 22:06
MinceR	strange, dd always worked for me	Apr 28 22:06
MinceR	though it depends on the image	Apr 28 22:06
DaemonFC	like the MyDigitalLife forum.	Apr 28 22:06
sebsebseb	wel it didn't seem tow ork for me	Apr 28 22:06
DaemonFC	They always release those updates that Microsoft doesn't allow public access to.	Apr 28 22:06
*sebsebseb is not happy that he know someone, who despite everything he said etc, is sitl running XP online uh		Apr 28 22:06
MinceR	debian and crunchbang (and probably other debian-based distros) support usb flash booting via iso image	Apr 28 22:06
sebsebseb	ok using FIrefox though not INternt Explorer	Apr 28 22:06
DaemonFC	There were well over a hundred of them the last time I looked, and that was probably 6-7 years ago.	Apr 28 22:06
sebsebseb	,but still things won't be as secure as they should be now	Apr 28 22:06
MinceR	iirc DSL has additional support for various ways of booting	Apr 28 22:07
MinceR	not sure about TinyCore	Apr 28 22:07
sebsebseb	MinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi she said I could witch over to Linux	Apr 28 22:07
sebsebseb	after a back up	Apr 28 22:07
sebsebseb	,but no back up been done	Apr 28 22:07
sebsebseb	and she carires on using the ocmputer like normal email etc etc	Apr 28 22:07
MinceR	that will lead to data loss eventually	Apr 28 22:07
*sebsebseb is trying to get a ISO burnt to DVD to try out on the computer, but isues		Apr 28 22:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: Internet was offline earlier well the wirelss was down	Apr 28 22:08
DaemonFC	It's almost impossible for Microsoft to patch large parts of Windows and assure people that the same exact exploit won't surface again.	Apr 28 22:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: sine osmeone had msesed it up, and she wanted it on so badly, so she could email smeone	Apr 28 22:08
sebsebseb	now back on and well	Apr 28 22:08
DaemonFC	So, some of those hotfixes are patching basically the same exploit 5-6 times.	Apr 28 22:08
MinceR	could have used a liveusb or something temporarily	Apr 28 22:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: how are you meant to get your not so technicl mother to understand	Apr 28 22:08
MinceR	dunno	Apr 28 22:09
sebsebseb	MinceR: the seurity risks enug hto see it as a priorit to sorto ut I don't knmow	Apr 28 22:09
MinceR	i bought a tablet for my mother :>	Apr 28 22:09
sebsebseb	MinceR: then she'll do some online shoping or something with it at this rate again to or something and hmm	Apr 28 22:09
sebsebseb	I guess once I got a working ISO from CD/DVD that works on there to be ued to install Linux from	Apr 28 22:10
sebsebseb	then I really start pushing the switch over idea or something I guess	Apr 28 22:10
sebsebseb	for now I am in limbo kind of untill sorted that out	Apr 28 22:10
sebsebseb	MinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi tis isn't like some Linux distro going EOL	Apr 28 22:11
sebsebseb	it's WIndows XP	Apr 28 22:11
sebsebseb	used b millions still	Apr 28 22:11
sebsebseb	a target	Apr 28 22:11
sebsebseb	when a LInux distro goes EOL it's like eh, well ok should ugprade really, butp robably going to be quite ok stil using online and such without updats really for quite some itme	Apr 28 22:11
MinceR	the hardware varies a lot, though	Apr 28 22:11
sebsebseb	MinceR: I should get my desktops sorted out maybe	Apr 28 22:12
sebsebseb	can't use my old burner	Apr 28 22:12
sebsebseb	the old CD/dvd WRITER for netbook nope dind't get far with burnig. this extenral blue ray not had luck either in Linux. I'll actsaully be trying WIndows 7 starter later on, to see if it's got anything to do with OS or not uh	Apr 28 22:12
MinceR	when the questions "does it have usb?" and "can it boot from cd?" pop up, you know you're potentially dealing with very old hardware :>	Apr 28 22:12
sebsebseb	well it can boot up form thse old Ubuntu 6.06 CD's still for example	Apr 28 22:13
sebsebseb	no problem	Apr 28 22:13
sebsebseb	it's not that it can't boot from CD/DVD	Apr 28 22:13
sebsebseb	it's that certian later versions of stuff isn't going to work, since the bug I am on about with syslinux or isolinux whiever one it was	Apr 28 22:13
MinceR	(and if both answers are "no", you're stuck with floppies :> )	Apr 28 22:13
sebsebseb	MinceR: I got on a interesitng aritlce/blog ost	Apr 28 22:14
sebsebseb	the other night	Apr 28 22:14
sebsebseb	about wel lsandboxing and such	Apr 28 22:14
sebsebseb	and how een doing that with WIndows XP woudn't be os secure really, beczue the kernel isn't secure	Apr 28 22:14
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sebsebseb	MinceR: altough jut thought of it again	Apr 28 22:19
sebsebseb	MinceR: this is a moter who didn't know what bcc was	Apr 28 22:20
sebsebseb	MinceR: or cc	Apr 28 22:20
sebsebseb	that was the other evening	Apr 28 22:20
MinceR	most email users apparently don't know	Apr 28 22:28
MinceR	which is sad	Apr 28 22:28
schestowitz__	[19:37] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, What those videos that tell you what to say to the police don't tell you is that by saying any of that, you basically might as well be saying "Officer, please beat me up and then spend an hour tearing through my car, then make it legal later because the judge is an asshole, and throw in a resisting arrest charge as well, please."	Apr 28 22:28
schestowitz__	DaemonFC: depends on the case	Apr 28 22:28
schestowitz__	But it's usually them who record everything	Apr 28 22:29
schestowitz__	and they have control over what's used in a court	Apr 28 22:29
sebsebseb	MinceR: indeed computer basics?	Apr 28 22:29
MinceR	netiquette	Apr 28 22:29
sebsebseb	yeah	Apr 28 22:29
schestowitz__	gn	Apr 28 22:31
MinceR	o/	Apr 28 22:31
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msb__	Is this globe on tuxmachines supposed to show my location? Because it's not. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/63078/	Apr 28 23:28
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msb__	schestowitz__: But it is an excellent news site. Thanks, Roy and Rianne!	Apr 28 23:31
msb__	schestowitz__: Rianne's picture in the left-hand column is too dark. I thought it was a black silhouette until I turned the gamma way up. Yours I can see just fine.	Apr 28 23:32
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DaemonFC	I keep my software up to date. Why shouldn't I? It's not like buying the new version is going to cost me $150 and slow my computer down by 50%. It's not Microsoft software.	Apr 29 01:49
DaemonFC	I tried to see if I could get one of those Lemote systems at one point.	Apr 29 01:52
DaemonFC	It was going to cost a fortune and I would have to buy it from a seller in the UK and pay for further shipping to me. I decided that it wasn't worth the money or risk.	Apr 29 01:54
DaemonFC	You just can't seem to find them here at all.	Apr 29 01:54
DaemonFC	So, every computer I've ever used with GNU/Linux has been a system that was really intended for Windows, and seemed jury rigged in some way or another.	Apr 29 01:57
msb__	DaemonFC: Almost every (non-Mac) PC is designed for Windows. So what? Every Linux distro deals fine with PCs as they are. It doesn't matter whether they are that way to fit Windows. Linux isn't "jury-rigged", it's designed to work with computers the way they are. And it works great.	Apr 29 02:26
msb__	DaemonFC: Just get a PC with the cpu, ram, disk(s), etc., that you want, or buy a case, cpu, mobo, ram, disk(s) etc., that you want and assemble it yourself, which is easy. You can always ask here for help if you need it.	Apr 29 02:29
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msb__	DaemonFC: A good current choice is an AMD FX-8350, an appropriate ASUS mobo, 8GB of RAM, one or more WD 2TB Caviar Black disks.	Apr 29 02:35
msb__	DaemonFC: That will make a cheap, reliable screamer. I think it's the current sweet spot.	Apr 29 02:36
msb__	DaemonFC: Get a case with disk boxes that slide out and that have fans. Figure out how many 2TB drives you will ever need and get a case that can hold 50% more than that.	Apr 29 02:38
msb__	DaemonFC: Get an after-market heatsink-fan that has 1/8th inch spacing between the fins so you can blow dust out of it easily.	Apr 29 02:39
msb__	...for the cpu	Apr 29 02:40
msb__	DaemonFC: Every GNU/Linux distro will run on that just fine.	Apr 29 02:40
msb__	DaemonFC: Figure out the total wattage consumed by the various parts and get a power supply (sometimes they come with the case) that's rated for 150% of that, or even 200%.	Apr 29 02:48
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DaemonFC	The Mac PCs are amazingly even worse when you go to use GNU/Linux on them.	Apr 29 03:17
DaemonFC	I don't think it's possible to secure a computer that was designed around Windows as well as it should be secured.	Apr 29 03:18
DaemonFC	Mark Shuttleworth recently blogged about the firmware security problems that systems designed around Windows have.	Apr 29 03:19
DaemonFC	The problem is that it's where all the affordable hardware is because it's mass market hardware.	Apr 29 03:19
cubezzz	well that was odd	Apr 29 03:24
cubezzz	I somehow lost google toolbar, then find that google discontinued it	Apr 29 03:24
cubezzz	apparently it has disappeared from my hard drive	Apr 29 03:25
cubezzz	and now I've reinstalled this different google toolbar	Apr 29 03:26
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cubezzz	it's got some interesting options though	Apr 29 03:29
DaemonFC	Well, there's no really good reason not to be using Chromium anymore.	Apr 29 03:34
cubezzz	what if I have multiple systems with old gtk?	Apr 29 03:41
cubezzz	it's not going to work with chromium	Apr 29 03:42
cubezzz	I'm not even sure the google toolbar was open source	Apr 29 03:43
cubezzz	I give every company a big thumbs down for endless forced upgrades	Apr 29 03:47
cubezzz	mozilla could have kept making gtk1 builds, but they choose not to	Apr 29 03:50
cubezzz	now I don't think they even bother with gtk2 builds	Apr 29 03:50
cubezzz	and a lot of google's stuff is here today and gone tomorrow	Apr 29 03:50
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msb__	cubezzz: Firefox just did an upgrade from version 28.0 to 29.0 today. I haven't got it yet because I haven't restarted Firefox.	Apr 29 04:42
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msb__	I'm afraid my whole personality may change. I may not be the same person anymore. Too much Ghost in the Shell!	Apr 29 04:43
msb__	cubezzz: You are right. We should all go back to using Unix v.7 or something that we can understand the source code of. Good old blocky graphics!	Apr 29 04:51
DaemonFC	<cubezzz> I give every company a big thumbs down for endless forced upgrades	Apr 29 04:51
msb__	If we can understand it, they can't change it without our knowing it. GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!	Apr 29 04:52
DaemonFC	The forced upgrades are only necessary because some people never update their software.	Apr 29 04:52
DaemonFC	Web browsers are a gigantic threat to the user if they're out of date, so automatic upgrades are a way of keeping users safe, in spite of themselves.	Apr 29 04:52
DaemonFC	Also, it keeps the Chrome platform from fragmenting so badly that web developers don't even know what to do.	Apr 29 04:53
DaemonFC	Imagine if some significant percentage of users were using each of the last 34 versions of Chrome.	Apr 29 04:53
DaemonFC	That would be disastrous.	Apr 29 04:53
msb__	But what if Google makes a mistake in the auto-update, and everyone in the whole world goes insane at the same time?	Apr 29 04:54
DaemonFC	I don't think that has happened.	Apr 29 04:54
msb__	Then we would be defenseless against an alien attack	Apr 29 04:55
msb__	!	Apr 29 04:55
DaemonFC	On GNU/Linux, you don't get forced to upgrade Chrome anyway.	Apr 29 04:55
DaemonFC	It uses your distribution's package manager.	Apr 29 04:55
DaemonFC	I can't think of a good reason to be using an old version of Chrome.	Apr 29 04:56
msb__	Not on my machine. I'm getting Firefox directly.	Apr 29 04:56
msb__	It's just in my account, not in with the system software.	Apr 29 04:56
cubezzz	msb_, my idea isn't to go back to unix v7	Apr 29 04:56
cubezzz	my idea is to run multiple eras of operating systems, using emulators if necessary	Apr 29 04:57
msb__	cubezzz: So if one of them explodes, the others should still work.	Apr 29 04:57
DaemonFC	http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963	Apr 29 04:57
DaemonFC	LOL	Apr 29 04:58
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cubezzz	the other eras include unix v6, v7, 2.11bsd, 4.3bsd, fc1 (along with other incarnations of fedora), vector linux, etc	Apr 29 04:58
cubezzz	msb__, yes, that's one of the main ideas!	Apr 29 04:58
DaemonFC	So, OpenSSL is a godawful mess and this exploit has caused people to notice.	Apr 29 04:59
cubezzz	versatility is important	Apr 29 05:00
DaemonFC	And now it will be fixed (as LibreSSL).	Apr 29 05:00
cubezzz	openssl is a good example, since I also run multiple versions of openssl	Apr 29 05:00
DaemonFC	Hopefully, distributions will kick OpenSSL out as soon as it becomes practical to do that.	Apr 29 05:00
msb__	We should have backup cyberbrains too, in case we get ghost-hacked.	Apr 29 05:00
cubezzz	some versions I run predate the heart-bleed bug	Apr 29 05:00
DaemonFC	Why would you ever want your SSL library to be developed by people who take security seriously? :)	Apr 29 05:01
DaemonFC	yeah, but with that much stupid shit in there, you don't know what _else_ could be wrong....	Apr 29 05:01
DaemonFC	From what I understand, the LibreSSL team has been deleting code that was specific to ancient platforms that nobody other than maybe a hobbyist would be running on anything anyway.	Apr 29 05:02
DaemonFC	Like, Windows 9x, OS 2 Warp 4 (1996), and Mac OS 9 (2001).	Apr 29 05:02
msb__	Software complexity may increase beyond our brains' ability to deal with it.	Apr 29 05:06
msb__	This may be the answer to the Fermi Paradox -- Where Is Everybody?	Apr 29 05:06
msb__	Their software progressed to the level where it destroyed them!	Apr 29 05:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Yocto Is Hooking Up With AMD & Mentor Graphics	Apr 29 05:07
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cubezzz	well it's not necessary to know every line of code	Apr 29 05:08
cubezzz	as long as you understand things well enough to fix problems which arise	Apr 29 05:08
msb__	We must all go back to PC-DOS immediately, or we're DOOMED!	Apr 29 05:08
msb__	There are a few alien civilizations who realized this, and have survived.	Apr 29 05:10
cubezzz	ha	Apr 29 05:10
msb__	They're broadcasting on Dark-RF.	Apr 29 05:10
msb__	If they see from our RF emissions that we've dropped back to a safe level, they'll invite us to join them.	Apr 29 05:11
cubezzz	I've studied fc1 for a long time and there's still lots of it I haven't looked at	Apr 29 05:11
msb__	Help us cubezzz, you're our only hope!	Apr 29 05:12
cubezzz	I do help :)	Apr 29 05:12
cubezzz	I try to... not many people listen to me	Apr 29 05:12
cubezzz	about 20% of my customers have at least one linux computer	Apr 29 05:13
msb__	The ones who don't will be turned into zombies and eat each others' brains when the software-apocalypse comes!	Apr 29 05:13
cubezzz	this is worth reading:	Apr 29 05:13
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts.txt	Apr 29 05:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts.txt )		Apr 29 05:14
cubezzz	oops	Apr 29 05:14
msb__	OMG, it's got you too!!!	Apr 29 05:15
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts1.txt	Apr 29 05:15
cubezzz	portable libraries are obviously important	Apr 29 05:16
cubezzz	this goes back to Thompson's ideas	Apr 29 05:17
msb__	So Dillo doesn't do Javascript?	Apr 29 05:18
cubezzz	that's right	Apr 29 05:18
msb__	It's like you don't need a window manager that does wibble-wobble windows. I get along fine without them.	Apr 29 05:20
cubezzz	I like mwm and icewm	Apr 29 05:20
msb__	Good solid opaque windows are fine!	Apr 29 05:20
cubezzz	kde 3.5.10 is the heaviest one I use	Apr 29 05:20
msb__	That's what I use too. It's the best!	Apr 29 05:21
cubezzz	I do use kalzium and kstars from time to time	Apr 29 05:21
msb__	KDE4 is an abomination!	Apr 29 05:21
cubezzz	there's two schisms (maybe even more) in KDE-land	Apr 29 05:22
cubezzz	the original KDE 1.0 guys hated version 2	Apr 29 05:22
cubezzz	and a lot of KDE 3 guys didn't like KDE 4	Apr 29 05:22
cubezzz	the interesting thing is KDE 3 can run all of the KDE 1 applications	Apr 29 05:23
msb__	I use some KDE4 apps because they've been improved, like Konversation right now.	Apr 29 05:23
cubezzz	so you're running KDE 4 applications on KDE 3?	Apr 29 05:24
msb__	Just a few. Konsole too, and the System Monitor.	Apr 29 05:24
cubezzz	I still use xchat a lot	Apr 29 05:25
msb__	I hope the KDE4 loonies don't "improve" them so they stop working in KDE3.	Apr 29 05:26
msb__	They might, though. Some of them are really vindictive.	Apr 29 05:27
cubezzz	I saved some KDE 1 orphaned programs	Apr 29 05:27
cubezzz	mainly krubik	Apr 29 05:27
msb__	There's a German guy who keeps harassing the Trinity project and telling them to quit.	Apr 29 05:27
DaemonFC	Kevin Kofler and Rex Dieter summed up the Trinity project pretty well.	Apr 29 05:28
cubezzz	the thing is, a lot of the old KDE folks did actually quit	Apr 29 05:28
msb__	DaemonFC: ?	Apr 29 05:28
cubezzz	so it's up to people like us to keep stuff alive	Apr 29 05:29
DaemonFC	Kofler said "Trinity is an international team of developers called Timothy Pearson."	Apr 29 05:29
msb__	Blessings be upon him!	Apr 29 05:29
DaemonFC	and Dieter noted that there's fewer developers of Trinity than the kwin window manager has in KDE 4.	Apr 29 05:29
cubezzz	msb__, you really can't kill software	Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFC	Oh, I just think that Trinity has been done wrong.	Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFC	That tqt garbage is a prime example.	Apr 29 05:30
cubezzz	programmers can quit... but some crazy people can come along and resurrect stuff	Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFC	He could have just ported it to Qt4 more easily than implementing the tqt layer.	Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFC	and the performance of tqt is not great	Apr 29 05:31
DaemonFC	Then again, nobody is forcing anyone to use it.	Apr 29 05:31
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cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-with-plan9.png	Apr 29 05:31
DaemonFC	Crazy is the right word for that project though.	Apr 29 05:31
cubezzz	ho ho ho :)	Apr 29 05:32
msb__	DaemonFC: Computer speed is increasing fast enough that an extra software layer doesn't cause any visible slowdown.	Apr 29 05:32
DaemonFC	Most of the reasons for forking KDE 3 are basically gone.	Apr 29 05:32
cubezzz	sacrilege!	Apr 29 05:32
cubezzz	software should run well on slower machines	Apr 29 05:32
DaemonFC	msb__, Even the cheapest computers on the market over the last 5 years will all run KDE 4.13 just fine.	Apr 29 05:33
DaemonFC	You can run it on a motherboard that costs $30 and an APU that costs $50.	Apr 29 05:33
cubezzz	DaemonFC, I'll have you know I scored some DD 3.5" disks a while back :)	Apr 29 05:33
cubezzz	so five years is nothing	Apr 29 05:33
msb__	DaemonFC: Really? And how do you use 20 virtual desktops in KDE4 when the desktop names in the desktop pager are unreadable?	Apr 29 05:33
DaemonFC	I've never needed that many virtual desktops.	Apr 29 05:34
msb__	I have many interests. It's great to have a separate desktop for my website, mail, Linux, bash scripts, C programs, sci-fi, etc.	Apr 29 05:35
cubezzz	imagine some old guy who uses his computer to write the odd letters and play solitaire	Apr 29 05:35
cubezzz	are you going to tell him "upgrade to windows 8.1"?	Apr 29 05:36
cubezzz	hell no	Apr 29 05:36
msb__	Each one has several konsoles with mc in them, each pointing to the relevant directories in my filesystem.	Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFC	Those super cheap AMD APUs have pictures of the Internet Explorer and Microsoft Office icons on the box, but they have perfectly good open source support in GNU/Linux.	Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFC	if you can make it past the box without barfing :)	Apr 29 05:36
cubezzz	his CP/M machine with a dot matrix would do the job in that case	Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFC	office suites are notorious for their bloat	Apr 29 05:37
DaemonFC	and if you don't use a bloated office suite, then some fuckface out there will send you documents that crash it	Apr 29 05:37
DaemonFC	:)	Apr 29 05:37
cubezzz	there's google docs	Apr 29 05:38
msb__	DaemonFC: So I can switch between my various mind activities in an instant, and my desktops are not crowded with stuff unnecessary to the particular activity.	Apr 29 05:38
cubezzz	you don't have to use a "bloated office suite"	Apr 29 05:38
DaemonFC	yeah, Google Docs even runs on those really cheap chromebooks	Apr 29 05:38
cubezzz	is bloat some perverse badge of honour these days?	Apr 29 05:39
cubezzz	what is wrong with programmers these days	Apr 29 05:39
DaemonFC	https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-windows_install/future-windows-xp-activation-support/8b64edf7-8146-e011-9bac-78e7d160ad4e?msgId=bae49a41-9b46-e011-90b6-1cc1de79d2e2	Apr 29 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com \| Future Windows XP activation support - Microsoft Community [ http://ur1.ca/h7fd9 ]		Apr 29 05:40
DaemonFC	"Microsoft will also support the activation of Windows XP throughout its life and will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end of the product's lifecycle so users would no longer be required to activate the product."	Apr 29 05:40
DaemonFC	Did they ever release that update?	Apr 29 05:40
msb__	no bloat --> no "improvement" --> no justification for programmer existence --> no jobs --> no pizza and chinese food!	Apr 29 05:40
cubezzz	I had a funny thought years ago...	Apr 29 05:41
cubezzz	I thought, "wow, these 386's are so powerful. Who needs that much computing power?"	Apr 29 05:42
cubezzz	now folks are junking core duo's	Apr 29 05:42
DaemonFC	Well, if nothing else, you could just use a cracked version of XP.	Apr 29 05:42
cubezzz	hardly an ideal situation though	Apr 29 05:42
DaemonFC	Since there's no more updates for anyone, it's not like they're going to release a new kill switch.	Apr 29 05:42
cubezzz	you're better off the microsoft teat	Apr 29 05:42
DaemonFC	yeah	Apr 29 05:43
DaemonFC	eventually, drivers won't be available for new hardware	Apr 29 05:43
DaemonFC	then it will be impossible to use XP on newer systems	Apr 29 05:44
msb__	The only time I've used microsoft in the las 14 years was when my pooter went blooey and I had to research parts for a new one on the Web, so I borrowed a neighbor's laptop.	Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFC	At some point, it's likely that the software will start drying up as well.	Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFC	I remember the original Windows XP.	Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFC	People really despised it.	Apr 29 05:44
cubezzz	I still support on win95 box :)	Apr 29 05:44
cubezzz	that customer pays well :)	Apr 29 05:45
msb__	And he should!	Apr 29 05:45
cubezzz	msb__, I think my multiple computer idea would have saved you from using windows in that situation	Apr 29 05:46
DaemonFC	Windows 95 wasn't so bad.	Apr 29 05:46
DaemonFC	Windows 98 was.	Apr 29 05:46
cubezzz	disconnected from the net, sure	Apr 29 05:46
msb__	DaemonFC: You've ignored what I wrote above. Before KDE4 came out, many Linux users said that multiple desktops are one of the most important features of Linux to them.	Apr 29 05:47
cubezzz	I think you'll find if you do what I do...i.e. run multiple computers, that multiple desktops is less critical	Apr 29 05:48
msb__	cubezzz: You're right. If this computer keeps crashing (which it hasn't for a while now -- I think it was a problem with Firefox), and I build an FX-8350 system as I outlined, I'll keep this old dual-core machine functional.	Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFC	msb__, I noticed that Unity doesn't even have virtual desktops enabled by default.	Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFC	You have to change an appearance setting to activate that.	Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFC	If you want more than 4, you need to use unity tweak tool.	Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFC	Canonical did seem to fix all of the really aggravating Unity bugs though.	Apr 29 05:50
cubezzz	even icewm supports 4 desktops by default	Apr 29 05:50
DaemonFC	The only problem is that the dash brings up so much irrelevant shit	Apr 29 05:50
DaemonFC	It's your worst nightmare if you have Attention Deficit Disorder.	Apr 29 05:50
msb__	Somehow I have never found a need to use Ubuntu at all, ever.	Apr 29 05:51
cubezzz	I run plan 9, bsd and linux (and various eras of linux)	Apr 29 05:51
cubezzz	I still run a lot of old games from the redhat 6.1 era	Apr 29 05:54
cubezzz	some stuff is even older than that	Apr 29 05:54
msb__	With Plan 9 you're safe from solarbonite (sp?).	Apr 29 05:56
cubezzz	so there's a lot of stuff to contend with: various kernels, various wms, tons of different gcc versions, code that will only compile on with specific versions of libraries	Apr 29 05:56
cubezzz	not to mention old v6 code that only compiles on a specific version of unix v6!	Apr 29 05:57
msb__	cubezzz: Someday the entire human civilization may come to you to save us.	Apr 29 05:58
msb__	Software may reach a singularity and decide not to be used by humans at all!	Apr 29 05:59
cubezzz	well I wrote a bit about contaminated soil (due to trichloroethylene)	Apr 29 06:00
cubezzz	it's needed for some of the chip fabrication processes	Apr 29 06:00
cubezzz	hence my idea of using old computers to try to reduce pollution	Apr 29 06:00
msb__	We must also eliminate dry-cleaning!	Apr 29 06:01
msb__	For the sake of the children!	Apr 29 06:01
cubezzz	I guess dry cleaning uses trichloroethylene?	Apr 29 06:02
cubezzz	that wouldn't surprise me	Apr 29 06:02
DaemonFC	oh, awesome	Apr 29 06:02
DaemonFC	I found some more themes.	Apr 29 06:02
DaemonFC	I hate orange.	Apr 29 06:02
cubezzz	well it messes with your lungs if you inhale the vapours from it	Apr 29 06:03
DaemonFC	https://launchpad.net/~noobslab/+archive/themes?field.series_filter=trusty	Apr 29 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-launchpad.net \| Themes Collection by NoobsLab : NoobsLab [ http://ur1.ca/h7fhv ]		Apr 29 06:03
DaemonFC	They have ambiance radiance colors.	Apr 29 06:03
DaemonFC	Until something better comes out, this will at least get rid of that horrible orange.	Apr 29 06:03
msb__	Apparantly dry-cleaners have now switched to tetrachloroethylene. Even worse!	Apr 29 06:04
msb__	Apparently someone wants to have a chlorine atmosphere.	Apr 29 06:05
cubezzz	I can't evolve that fast! :)	Apr 29 06:05
cubezzz	I'm not sure how bad air pollution is around here	Apr 29 06:06
cubezzz	no one is really talking about it	Apr 29 06:06
cubezzz	I guess all the cars cause a lot of the air pollution, there's not much doubt about that	Apr 29 06:09
msb__	Like The Arrival http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115571/	Apr 29 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| The Arrival (1996) - IMDb		Apr 29 06:09
msb__	If you see someone whose knees bend the wrong way...	Apr 29 06:10
msb__	They killed Lindsay Crouse! They must never be forgiven!	Apr 29 06:11
cubezzz	a climatologist I think, or at least played that part	Apr 29 06:11
msb__	Yes!	Apr 29 06:12
msb__	She was also in House of Games -- excellent!	Apr 29 06:13
msb__	She got the best of Joe Mantegna in a David Mamet movie!	Apr 29 06:14
DaemonFC	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/indiana-common-core-replacement_n_5228212.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013	Apr 29 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com \| Indiana Approves Common Core Replacement Standards [ http://ur1.ca/h7fkd ]		Apr 29 06:14
DaemonFC	msb__, The Ultra Low Sulfur Gasoline regulation is going to cause a lot of GHG emissions.	Apr 29 06:15
DaemonFC	Of course, the European Union already has those standards.	Apr 29 06:15
DaemonFC	Ours won't finish phasing in for several more years.	Apr 29 06:15
DaemonFC	It's going to require a lot of extra processing to remove the last bit of sulfur.	Apr 29 06:16
msb__	What's the purpose? Is a little SOx so bad?	Apr 29 06:16
DaemonFC	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-28/epa-said-poised-to-issue-lower-sulfur-limits-on-fuel.html	Apr 29 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com \| EPA Said Poised to Issue Lower Sulfur Limits on Fuel - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/h7fkz ]		Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFC	Oh, the new rules match California's.	Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFC	That's nice.	Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFC	California has some of the highest gasoline prices in the country.	Apr 29 06:18
msb__	Fortunately I never go anywhere.	Apr 29 06:18
DaemonFC	Indiana has some of the highest prices in the midwest, but that's mostly because the state gasoline tax is so fucking high.	Apr 29 06:19
DaemonFC	Someone that I know was going to Florida and back. I told him to gas up in Tennessee on his way back.	Apr 29 06:19
DaemonFC	They're like 60 cents a gallon cheaper than Indiana.	Apr 29 06:20
DaemonFC	"It screws up the mufflers, it screws up the catalytic converters, and it screws up a lot of other things, too."	Apr 29 06:21
DaemonFC	Yeah, but it also lubricates parts of the engine.	Apr 29 06:22
msb__	You can save a lot of money by just eating some beans, sticking a hose up your butt, and piping the methane directly into the carbureter.	Apr 29 06:23
msb__	DaemonFC: What does, SOx?	Apr 29 06:23
DaemonFC	yeah	Apr 29 06:23
DaemonFC	So, removing it will cause increased engine wear.	Apr 29 06:24
msb__	Weird!	Apr 29 06:24
msb__	And increased car mfr profits!	Apr 29 06:24
DaemonFC	right	Apr 29 06:24
DaemonFC	the last thing they want is for cars to last 30 years like they used to	Apr 29 06:25
DaemonFC	you're lucky to get 10-15 out of them now	Apr 29 06:25
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DaemonFC	Their goal is a disposable car where you don't have a $2,000 used car market or people driving them for 20 years without a payment.	Apr 29 06:25
DaemonFC	They want them to last about as long as the payments.	Apr 29 06:26
msb__	Like MS putting Windows on subscription.	Apr 29 06:26
DaemonFC	Yeah. My car is 18 years old and it still runs just fine.	Apr 29 06:26
DaemonFC	I don't ever plan on selling it for anything other than scrap metal 10 years from now. :P	Apr 29 06:27
cubezzz	msb__, can you imagine paying $$$ to microsoft every month? horrible!	Apr 29 06:27
DaemonFC	That's their goal.	Apr 29 06:27
msb__	Not as bad as using Windows!	Apr 29 06:28
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DaemonFC	The way I hear it, their plan is to give away some horribly limited version of Windows "for free" and use the product activation system to sell you subscriptions to a la carte features.	Apr 29 06:28
DaemonFC	One can only imagine....	Apr 29 06:28
cubezzz	I can imagine it	Apr 29 06:28
DaemonFC	Maybe the ability to play video games requires a DirectX subscription.	Apr 29 06:28
msb__	If I even think about using Windows, it starts to sap and impurify my precious bodily fluids!	Apr 29 06:29
Sosumi	there are sometimes that requires you to use windows anyways	Apr 29 06:31
msb__	Not me, brother!	Apr 29 06:31
Sosumi	cad/cam and 3d are for sure the only things I see	Apr 29 06:31
Sosumi	*somethings	Apr 29 06:32
DaemonFC	Shouldn't that at least work on Wine?	Apr 29 06:32
Sosumi	film production too	Apr 29 06:32
Sosumi	no cuda with wine	Apr 29 06:32
msb__	I programmed 3D on a LINC computer with 1K of RAM.	Apr 29 06:33
msb__	One of the analog knobs adjusted for interocular distance.	Apr 29 06:34
msb__	Made nice 3D graphs of experiment data.	Apr 29 06:34
cubezzz	msb__, how if you were using a LINC for IRC I would be truly impressed :)	Apr 29 06:37
cubezzz	s/how/now/	Apr 29 06:37
msb__	No Net back then.	Apr 29 06:38
cubezzz	Sosumi, lots of films used Linux rendering farms	Apr 29 06:38
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cubezzz	Houdini is proprietary but it does have a linux version	Apr 29 06:40
msb__	cubezzz: I did write a terminal emulator in BASIC that ran in PC-DOS, for talking with a BSD system I had an account on.	Apr 29 06:40
cubezzz	msb__, which BSD?	Apr 29 06:41
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msb__	I don't remember. It was used at University of California, San Francisco in the '80s, IIRC.	Apr 29 06:42
cubezzz	4.X BSD probably	Apr 29 06:43
msb__	Charged by the minute, and didn't stop charging even when the modem connection got broken. I ended up refusing to pay for that.	Apr 29 06:43
msb__	I think I logged off, but it kept charging me.	Apr 29 06:44
msb__	But I had my little account, and could do command-line stuff. It was great!	Apr 29 06:48
msb__	Pipelines! I eventually transferred some scripts to my Linux system when I got that.	Apr 29 06:49
msb__	Sometimes I can't remember whether I did something in Philadelphia or San Francisco. The timelines get fuzzy.	Apr 29 06:51
msb__	I think I live mostly in my mind.	Apr 29 06:51
msb__	One of the reasons why having multiple desktops is so important. I'm really a cyborg, connected to the computer via screen and keyboard.	Apr 29 06:52
msb__	That's why Ghost in the Shell seems so real to me.	Apr 29 06:54
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msb__	Wow, there's an episode of Futurama where they overclock Bender, to make him smarter -- Overclockwise!	Apr 29 07:07
msb__	The evil Mother, of Mom's Robots, doesn't want this knowledge to get out, because then people will stop buying her newer, slightly faster, robots.	Apr 29 07:14
msb__	Like IBM. Move a couple of jumpers, and your computer runs twice as fast.	Apr 29 07:15
cubezzz	IBM is pretty much out of the PC game now	Apr 29 07:54
msb__	This was in its mainframes.	Apr 29 07:55
cubezzz	which ones?	Apr 29 07:55
cubezzz	I used to work on 4341's	Apr 29 07:56
msb__	Sorry, don't know.	Apr 29 07:56
cubezzz	there was the IBM 9370 which was a baby mainframe	Apr 29 07:59
cubezzz	ran VM/SP and VM/IS	Apr 29 07:59
cubezzz	DEC was more open than IBM was	Apr 29 08:02
cubezzz	not to say that DEC was totally open, it wasn't	Apr 29 08:02
cubezzz	DEC was also very slow warming up to Unix	Apr 29 08:04
msb__	https://www.google.com/search?num=100&lr=&safe=images&as_qdr=all&q=jumper+ibm+mainframe+speed&oq=jumper+ibm+mainframe+speed&gs_l=serp.3...32669.37643.0.38255.15.14.0.0.0.2.161.1664.2j12.14.0....0...1c.1.42.serp..7.8.874.mGWewlhQlEs	Apr 29 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.com \| jumper ibm mainframe speed - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/h7g5w ]		Apr 29 08:05
*amarsh04 met Jon "maddog" Hall back in 1994 when he worked for DEC		Apr 29 08:05
msb__	Sorry, wrong url. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.folklore.computers/lZy6zvmxLjc	Apr 29 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com \| Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/h7g6f ]		Apr 29 08:07
cubezzz	nice to see an old DEC guy converting over to Linux	Apr 29 08:08
cubezzz	it's not like the 4341 was a power-house, but it did have 16 megs of ram which at the time was a lot	Apr 29 08:10
amarsh04	yes, was quite fun at the AUUG '94 conference, I met Dennis Ritchie and heard Linus Torvalds speak also	Apr 29 08:11
cubezzz	oh cool	Apr 29 08:11
amarsh04	met Gene Spafford also	Apr 29 08:12
cubezzz	I guess you were into Linux pretty early on	Apr 29 08:12
amarsh04	didn't start running it until the mid 2000s though, learned it at Adelaide University as a staff member in the early 2000s	Apr 29 08:14
cubezzz	I still have my darkstar notes	Apr 29 08:14
amarsh04	was fun downloading a Debian net install image over dial-up	Apr 29 08:16
cubezzz	Darkstar... 0.99	Apr 29 08:16
amarsh04	the pc had a cyrix cpu and 48 Meg of RAM	Apr 29 08:16
cubezzz	I even know which computer I had back then	Apr 29 08:18
amarsh04	must head out...	Apr 29 08:18
cubezzz	ok, laterz	Apr 29 08:18
cubezzz	486-DX40 with 4 megs of ram :)	Apr 29 08:19
msb__	cubezzz: that second url points to a page with many examples of speed/feature alteration of expensive computers by moving jumpers, flipping secret switches, etc.	Apr 29 08:32
cubezzz	yes, this link was on that page: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html	Apr 29 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.garlic.com \| Old EMAIL Index-- Anne & Lynn Wheeler		Apr 29 08:33
cubezzz	interesting stuff in there	Apr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux certification site sends wrong message	Apr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/59SnkkrLAu	Apr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gc2	Apr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GCC Ada Now Supports 64-bit ARM	Apr 29 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6bkFyCEx6g	Apr 29 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gc3	Apr 29 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux certification site sends wrong message \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GCC Ada Now Supports 64-bit ARM \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 08:34
DaemonFC	Recent versions of FreeBSD finally seem to support recent Radeon cards properly, at least.	Apr 29 08:46
msb__	cubezzz: Here's a huge amount of free source code from CACM (maybe in ALGOL!) and elsewhere: http://www.netlib.org/ http://www.netlib.org/liblist.html http://www.netlib.org/master/expanded_liblist.html	Apr 29 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org \| The Netlib		Apr 29 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org \| Netlib at The Univ. of Tennessee and ORNL		Apr 29 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org \| Netlib Master Index [ http://ur1.ca/h7gej ]		Apr 29 08:47
DaemonFC	For a long time, they relied on old problematic code that AMD stopped maintaining several years ago.	Apr 29 08:47
DaemonFC	So, progress basically got frozen at the level of support that GNU/Linux had for those cards around about early 2009.	Apr 29 08:47
DaemonFC	Their answer was to buy Nvidia cards and use their proprietary driver.	Apr 29 08:48
DaemonFC	When you do shit like this, don't be surprised when nobody takes you seriously.	Apr 29 08:49
DaemonFC	:)	Apr 29 08:49
cubezzz	well anyone can download stuff from http://www.x.org	Apr 29 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org \| xorg		Apr 29 08:56
cubezzz	openbsd is using 7.7	Apr 29 09:05
cubezzz	the Xorg folks tossed out a lot of code too	Apr 29 09:08
cubezzz	if there's no maintainer for it... it goes out the door	Apr 29 09:08
DaemonFC	https://www.xkcd.com/1337/	Apr 29 09:13
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DaemonFC	cubezzz, the problem wasn't x.org, it was the kernel stuff.	Apr 29 09:14
DaemonFC	Kernel Mode Setting was designed for Linux.	Apr 29 09:14
cubezzz	openbsd 5.4 has it too	Apr 29 09:15
cubezzz	it was added not too long ago	Apr 29 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Download http://t.co/mMC8MbIGcP	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gjt	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [ANNOUNCE] xf86-input-evdev 2.8.99.1	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9dLaTy2wuk	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gju	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu, Red Hat, and the Good Samaritan	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8xTKjdS492	Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gjv	Apr 29 09:21
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DaemonFC	I'm using Ubuntu again because it seems to have gotten better.	Apr 29 09:33
DaemonFC	I think their big problem is the damage that older versions of Unity did to their reputation.	Apr 29 09:33
DaemonFC	It was released well before it was ready. It should not have been in a LTS release at all.	Apr 29 09:34
MinceR	geekings	Apr 29 09:35
MinceR	meh, i just use #!	Apr 29 09:36
cubezzz	DaemonFC, I believe you can still compile newer stuff without kernel modesetting	Apr 29 09:38
cubezzz	it's an option	Apr 29 09:38
DaemonFC	nope	Apr 29 09:40
DaemonFC	userspace modesetting was deprecated years ago, and removed completely some months ago.	Apr 29 09:40
DaemonFC	it was never available for the RadeonHD 5000 series or newer at all.	Apr 29 09:41
DaemonFC	Novell's RadeonHD driver was UMS-only.	Apr 29 09:42
DaemonFC	Novell's developers also decided for some reason that they didn't like AtomBIOS.	Apr 29 09:43
cubezzz	well it's right in the configure	Apr 29 09:45
cubezzz	disable-kms	Apr 29 09:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4002735	Apr 29 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bluszcz@idoru.pl: ### "Think globally, act locally" by #Microsoft Poland free from #Political #correctness or sign or #racism? ;) One says that we #Polish we are racists ;) Other can say, that #americans are obsessed with idea #pc political correctness. Perhaps in Poland we are bit more 'relaxed' and perhaps the photo in first place didn't have black dude - perhaps they put it to fill some #US #law regulations ;) #black #poland #pols		Apr 29 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> picup.it \| #PicUp Microsoft's "Think globally, act locally"		Apr 29 09:51
schestowitz__	Good point there about the possibility of inverted deletion, but I think it was well established at the time that Microsoft removed the black guy, not added him.	Apr 29 09:52
MinceR	it doesn't explain the white guy with black hands anyway	Apr 29 09:52
cubezzz	pics? :)	Apr 29 09:53
MinceR	https://picup.it/media/pictures/poland_hates_black_people.jpg	Apr 29 09:53
schestowitz__	msb__: thanks for the feedback on the site	Apr 29 09:53
schestowitz__	I showed it to here, we decided to redo the photos	Apr 29 09:53
schestowitz__	See the new ones at tuxmachines now	Apr 29 09:53
cubezzz	hahaha	Apr 29 09:54
cubezzz	oh wow	Apr 29 09:54
MinceR	this? >> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/605/806/3a1.jpg	Apr 29 09:55
cubezzz	hey that's edited	Apr 29 09:57
cubezzz	you can't fool me :)	Apr 29 09:57
cubezzz	funny though	Apr 29 09:57
MinceR	fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, ...you can't fool me twice!	Apr 29 09:58
cubezzz	what he said was more like "ha! ha! ha! ... The Moon!" etc	Apr 29 09:58
msb__	schestowitz__: Somewhat better. I guess she just has a dark skin tone. Is the globe on the about page supposed to show my location?	Apr 29 09:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4002735	Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 10:04
schestowitz__	Yes, for 100% you are right - Poland is not HQ of microsoft and pretty sure they got materials from the central....	Apr 29 10:04
schestowitz__	However, this is stupidity of MS in poland - even if the multi colorful ethnic photo didn't fit to poland reality - they should just take other photo instead of doing this.	Apr 29 10:04
schestowitz__	But I don't like also this '3 colors' pc idea...	Apr 29 10:04
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 10:04
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schestowitz__	"More often than not, the only people who usually care about race are bigger racists than the people they are accusing of being racists."	Apr 29 10:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Shows Off Beema & Mullins But Its Linux	Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	Fate Is Unclear http://t.co/1KBFhAQF7P	Apr 29 10:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD Shows Off Beema & Mullins But Its Linux Fate Is Unclear \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Improving The Linux Desktop	Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HQdKarmy0Q	Apr 29 10:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Improving The Linux Desktop \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx Server 1.16 ABI Breakage	Apr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	Causes Concern http://t.co/MQvPkQNUX1	Apr 29 10:13
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Sosumi	render farms yes	Apr 29 10:47
Sosumi	but editing software is mostly windows only	Apr 29 10:47
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cubezzz	Pixar ported all of it's internal software to Linux	Apr 29 10:54
cubezzz	it's just code	Apr 29 10:54
cubezzz	some places went from Irix to Linux	Apr 29 10:55
Sosumi	pixar...	Apr 29 10:55
Sosumi	I meant it as commercially available software	Apr 29 10:55
Sosumi	3dmax, cinema 4d	Apr 29 10:56
Sosumi	one is windows only and the other windows and osx	Apr 29 10:56
Sosumi	maya is the only one that runs on the three platforms	Apr 29 10:56
cubezzz	I assume you've heard of Houdini?	Apr 29 10:56
Sosumi	for cad/cam only siemens nx runs on three platforms	Apr 29 10:57
Sosumi	I don't do that kind of 3d	Apr 29 10:57
Sosumi	just some cad/cam for instrumentation	Apr 29 10:57
schestowitz__	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/	Apr 29 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Top tip, power users – upgrading Ubuntu may knacker your Linux PC • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/h7hgi ]		Apr 29 10:57
schestowitz__	Wow, I missed that trolling	Apr 29 10:57
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/stevens_phil/status/461078341353615360	Apr 29 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stevens_phil: @schestowitz @SEEVed So all of us who actually were using personal computers before MS existed were having some sort of shared hallucination		Apr 29 10:58
schestowitz__	Based on revisionists (well paid BTW), Free software is "new" (actually was default before Jobs and Gates)	Apr 29 10:59
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461080763048292352	Apr 29 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And the link to Gavin's article on Munich's adoption of Kolab uses Karl Marx' likeness. http://t.co/oPjb3saUJi		Apr 29 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And the link to Gavin's article on Munich's adoption of Kolab uses Karl Marx' likeness. http://t.co/oPjb3saUJi		Apr 29 11:00
cubezzz	well, Ken Thompson did address that point a while back regarding free software	Apr 29 11:01
Sosumi	the issue of trusting trust	Apr 29 11:01
Sosumi	http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html	Apr 29 11:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cm.bell-labs.com \| ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust [ http://ur1.ca/be80 ]		Apr 29 11:02
cubezzz	he sent out 9 track mag tapes to people who wanted the code, but it wasn't expliciting "free software"	Apr 29 11:02
cubezzz	and before that you bought a machine worth major $$$ and you got the software 'free'	Apr 29 11:03
cubezzz	explicitly rather	Apr 29 11:03
cubezzz	after AT&T was broken up they were allowed to charge for software	Apr 29 11:04
Sosumi	I know that mentality	Apr 29 11:04
cubezzz	so they kept charging more and more over time for unix	Apr 29 11:05
Sosumi	my grandfather is the same	Apr 29 11:05
cubezzz	hmmm?	Apr 29 11:05
Sosumi	buy the machine and expect all the software or at least the OS to be there free	Apr 29 11:05
Sosumi	which isn't the case anymore	Apr 29 11:05
Sosumi	and on specialized systems it comes under the form of a subscription	Apr 29 11:06
Sosumi	that sometimes gets added to the total price of the machine	Apr 29 11:07
cubezzz	well yeah	Apr 29 11:07
Sosumi	it just depends on well you manage to negotiate the contract	Apr 29 11:07
Sosumi	*on how well	Apr 29 11:07
cubezzz	well you could assemble from parts, burn an iso and off you go	Apr 29 11:07
Sosumi	naaah	Apr 29 11:08
Sosumi	can't do that with power machines	Apr 29 11:08
cubezzz	you certainly can, I built my server from parts ages ago	Apr 29 11:08
Sosumi	power isn't available on retail	Apr 29 11:08
cubezzz	go to Tyan, buy whatever server motherboard you like	Apr 29 11:08
Sosumi	you need to get it directly from ibm	Apr 29 11:08
Sosumi	sparc would be the same, but I have no idea if oracle is still developing it	Apr 29 11:09
Sosumi	as for a vms system, you'd need to get it from hp, but itanium is dead	Apr 29 11:10
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/461084703336837121	Apr 29 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz @stevens_phil an example http://t.co/tkbHtGN6mP Hackers - wizards of the electronic age		Apr 29 11:10
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Sosumi	for an arm server	Apr 29 11:10
Sosumi	you'd also need to get it from hp	Apr 29 11:10
Sosumi	or some other OEM that sell them	Apr 29 11:10
Sosumi	I did say "specialized"	Apr 29 11:11
schestowitz__	http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/apr/28/rupert-everett-london-soho-prostitution	Apr 29 11:11
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schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4002353	Apr 29 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bluszcz@idoru.pl reshared: ### #Microsoft must release #email #data held on #Dublin #server *** A #judge in the #US has ordered Microsoft to hand over a #customer's emails, even though the data is held on a server in #Ireland. Microsoft has previously taken steps to reassure customers that data held on servers #abroad should not be subject to #search #warrants by US #authorities. It follows concerns about data #privacy after allegati		Apr 29 11:21
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schestowitz__	so when will Microsoft be forced to release the stolen money it stashed in Ireland? (tax evasion)	Apr 29 11:21
MinceR	once m$ is no longer in control of the us government :>	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/461087400605671426	Apr 29 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz @stevens_phil Apple and Microsoft's software would never have existed with out academic collaboration with free software		Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	MinceR: this is uk	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	the little bro of the US	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	used to be the opposite	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	S even stole Canada from the UK	Apr 29 11:22
MinceR	oh, so it's taxes that should have been paid to the uk...	Apr 29 11:22
cubezzz	the older bro :)	Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__	Canada (Harper) now takes order from the US	Apr 29 11:22
MinceR	then when it's no longer in control of the uk government	Apr 29 11:22
MinceR	"Airstrip One"	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	I hope so	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	BUT	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	THis is not good news	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	1. it shows abuses relating to surveillance	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	2. it shows Microsoft as pretending to respect mail privacy, which is a lie	Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__	it's bad on several sides	Apr 29 11:23
MinceR	what's new?	Apr 29 11:24
schestowitz__	I'd rather see UK gov going after MS for tax evasion	Apr 29 11:24
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461089084119977984	Apr 29 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz The more I read of it, the more I feel solitary confinement is unethical and a form of torture.		Apr 29 11:28
schestowitz__	https://pod.geraspora.de/uploads/images/scaled_full_0524d290dbc10981d57c.jpg	Apr 29 11:52
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schestowitz__	http://25.media.tumblr.com/1caccd9c2d7eca9921fcf5b4e86c5473/tumblr_n2rbp9sYeu1r3vhdfo1_500.gif	Apr 29 11:57
MinceR	ew	Apr 29 11:57
schestowitz__	That's what the dog said	Apr 29 12:01
MinceR	i doubt it	Apr 29 12:01
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4000920	Apr 29 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@riotboardgame@joindiaspora.com: *Protestor helps cop install VLC media player* ![](http://pasauliolietuvis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Kijevas_2013-11-24_b.jpg) #vlc #media #player #install		Apr 29 12:02
schestowitz__	LMAO	Apr 29 12:02
MinceR	for one thing, dogs eat their own vomit. and for another thing, they can't speak.	Apr 29 12:02
MinceR	oh, also, they sniff each other's asses.	Apr 29 12:02
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schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4000591	Apr 29 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@joebraun@diasp.org: So, #Obama says that mass executions in #Egypt would be a "dangerous precident". That oughta stop 'em.		Apr 29 12:10
schestowitz__	Said Mr. Drones	Apr 29 12:10
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/TheresaMay_MP/status/461016347787685888	Apr 29 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheresaMay_MP: How to get to work during a #tubestrike http://t.co/RnfY1ZWlCY		Apr 29 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheresaMay_MP: How to get to work during a #tubestrike http://t.co/RnfY1ZWlCY		Apr 29 12:29
schestowitz__	> Yeah. Time has a big reader base though. :( I used both BASIC and	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	> Pascal and thought Pascal was all-around better for most things,	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	> including learning. BASIC, however, had better support for low-res	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	> graphics.	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	>	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	> Through attrition of other sources Gates boosters are slowly re-writing	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	> history. Not only do sites disappear but old ones get corrupted (e.g.	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	> slashdot and thereg)	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	>	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	> Pretty soon we'll have them claiming Bill invented the Internet.	Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__	It all started when Microsoft invented Hotmail ;-) with BSD.	Apr 29 12:45
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Sosumi	didn't M$ buy hotmail?	Apr 29 13:38
MinceR	they did	Apr 29 13:40
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schestowitz__	that's why it's funny	Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330	Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #war		Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__	"Bahareh Bisheh:	Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__	This little girl is my cousin and she actually fell asleep on the asphalt just outside my house. She must have played for some time and just lied to rest and fell asleep. im used a chair to stand on in order to take this shot. There is no orphanage involved and no tragic story behind this. i took this opportunity to be creative. It is a style of photography You can use my photos in your webblag If you mention my name as the	Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__	photographer of this photo. thanks to all for the consideration ."	Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__	Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1i8k06/the_little_girl_has_never_seen_her_mother_so_she/	Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The little girl has never seen her mother, so she drew a mom on the ground and fell asleep with her. Iraqi Orphanage. : pics [ http://ur1.ca/h7ikc ]		Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/damianjread/status/461131056188768256	Apr 29 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@damianjread: Lol well said. "@schestowitz: @David_Cameron That's how strikes work. Without disruption there's no effect." Camerons #IvoryTower		Apr 29 14:14
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/461133123040722945	Apr 29 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrymccracken: @schestowitz I don't say that. I don't even say something sort of like this.		Apr 29 14:22
schestowitz__	It is implied by the latter parts.	Apr 29 14:22
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/461132883525390336	Apr 29 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@candtalan: .@clarecurranmp @schestowitz Clare hopefully you are aware of #Ubuntu? #french #chinese #everyone http://t.co/spqCtM7leq @omgubuntu		Apr 29 14:22
schestowitz__	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/13/raiders_of_the_lost_altair/	Apr 29 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Raiders of the Lost Altair BASIC Source Code • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/h7inw ]		Apr 29 14:25
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/461134328903532545	Apr 29 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@candtalan: .@TheresaMay_MP @schestowitz Mmm. Has Barbara Streisand visited there lately at all?		Apr 29 14:29
schestowitz__	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borland	Apr 29 14:41
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/461134191166357504	Apr 29 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrymccracken: @schestowitz C'mon, you're being ridiculous and making claims about my article that have nothing to do with what I actually wrote.		Apr 29 14:41
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4000038	Apr 29 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Out in the Open: Occupy Wall Street Reincarnated as Open Source Software http://www.wired.com/2014/04/loomio/ #ows #freesw #freedom		Apr 29 14:44
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schestowitz__	"I see almost no connection between Loomio and Occupy other than that they both made decisions - a pretty tenuous link at best."	Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3998813	Apr 29 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shame on Google for making it so exceptionally hard to block ads in Chrome under Android. Firefox makes that simple. #google #surveillance		Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__	"Mozilla is not an advertising company. Google is."	Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__	Mozilla is becoming an advertising company though	Apr 29 14:45
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/the_other_jon/status/461144738687488000	Apr 29 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@the_other_jon: @schestowitz How do you get that from am article about BASIC?		Apr 29 15:09
schestowitz__	opwnashing of Microsoft BASIC, omission of criticism of Microsoft's actions at the time, etc.	Apr 29 15:09
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/phd9/status/461146972855222273 https://twitter.com/the_other_jon/status/461146995013345280 https://twitter.com/phd9/status/461147956541132800	Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@phd9: @schestowitz @harrymccracken All I know is that when Visual Basic came out, my abilities as a coder instantly quadrupled.		Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@the_other_jon: @schestowitz But the article was about BASIC. In what way is criticism about a vendor appropriate? Should an article about C slam AT&T?		Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@phd9: @harrymccracken @schestowitz https://t.co/CS59PHsSNz		Apr 29 15:27
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461148599825350657	Apr 29 15:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian adopts a code of conduct	Apr 29 16:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tux Machines This Month http://t.co/mzncD6ovPJ	Apr 29 16:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Updated Debian 7: 7.5 released \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian drops the SPARC architecture	Apr 29 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UFJT8y6kdv	Apr 29 16:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 4.0 Beta 7 Linux Distro Is Based on	Apr 29 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	XBMC 13.0 RC "Gotham" http://t.co/Pr7ielyxzw	Apr 29 16:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian adopts a code of conduct \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tux Machines This Month \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian drops the SPARC architecture \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenELEC 4.0 Beta 7 Linux Distro Is Based on XBMC 13.0 RC "Gotham" \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 16:10
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Avagdu_Mortesin/status/461159302980321280	Apr 29 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Avagdu_Mortesin: @schestowitz @harrymccracken That’s an interesting take. Point it out, since I must be blind and dumb for not seeing it.		Apr 29 18:26
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/froesei/status/461167920307924993	Apr 29 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@froesei: @schestowitz If you think @harrymccracken is a MS bribed booster, or anything other than fair/objective, you haven't been paying attention.		Apr 29 18:27
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330	Apr 29 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #war		Apr 29 19:01
schestowitz__	"Aw, come on Bugs, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. About a million people were displaced by the Iraq war and hundreds of thousands had their life shortened. I don't think we will ever know the true circumstances of the photo itself, but we do know that there are orphanages and refugee camps filled with kids as a result of the war."	Apr 29 19:01
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4004066	Apr 29 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Adobe Trash Player has a new back door http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/new-flash-player-security-fix/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-flash-player-security-fix proprietary software has plenty		Apr 29 19:02
schestowitz__	"Windows lol..."	Apr 29 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> alien.slackbook.org \| Alien Pastures » New Flash player – security fix [ http://ur1.ca/h7lbj ]		Apr 29 19:02
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4005325	Apr 29 19:04
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/80371.html?rss=1&utm_medium=twitter		Apr 29 19:04
schestowitz__	I dunno, at this point Tizen is starting to feel like a really awful joke that various big corporations pull out every few years to say "Look, we're supporting an open source platform that isn't Android!".	Apr 29 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxinsider.com \| Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones \| Exclusives \| LinuxInsider [ http://ur1.ca/h7lbq ]		Apr 29 19:04
schestowitz__	It's like a really weird PR stunt in which Tizen marginally develops a bit more, maybe gets a new name and libraries slapped on it, and gets a little bit of PR for Intel, Samsung, and a few other big names.	Apr 29 19:04
schestowitz__	You almost never see any devices that support it. You'll sooner find phones running Mer, Ubuntu Touch, FirefoxOS and SailfishOS. Which is really sad, considering its roots. MeeGo was awesome and had so much squandered potential when Nokia sold out to Microsoft.	Apr 29 19:04
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 19:04
schestowitz__	I think that Samsung is making real products with Tizen	Apr 29 19:05
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4004295]	Apr 29 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu for Android to Be Retired Soon http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-for-Android-to-Be-Retired-Soon-439804.shtml		Apr 29 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu for Android to Be Retired Soon [ http://ur1.ca/h7lbd ]		Apr 29 19:05
schestowitz__	"Anybody have ever seen it?"	Apr 29 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 4.1.6 Final Released on Linux,	Apr 29 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	Windows, and Mac OS X http://t.co/8TaqH6I71H	Apr 29 19:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones	Apr 29 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YaXxoBR0HE	Apr 29 19:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds Named Recipient of the 2014 IEEE	Apr 29 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	Computer Society Computer Pioneer Award	Apr 29 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice 4.1.6 Final Released on Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ogj9o9jaqV	Apr 29 19:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Cherryview PCI IDs Get Added To Mesa DRM	Apr 29 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hwWrEJoEmg	Apr 29 19:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx Being Added To	Apr 29 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	Rawhide For Fedora 21 http://t.co/O61NdhVW9A	Apr 29 19:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linus Torvalds Named Recipient of the 2014 IEEE Computer Society Computer Pioneer Award \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel Cherryview PCI IDs Get Added To Mesa DRM \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org \| xorg		Apr 29 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New X.Org Being Added To Rawhide For Fedora 21 \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 19:10
Sosumi	http://pando.com/2014/04/29/with-android-silver-google-plans-to-steal-its-platform-back-from-manufacturers/	Apr 29 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com \| With Android Silver, Google plans to steal its platform back from manufacturers \| PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h7ldj ]		Apr 29 19:12
Sosumi	also note that Nattaniel Mott is a mactard	Apr 29 19:12
MinceR	dig +short TXT google-public-dns-a.google.com	Apr 29 19:13
Sosumi	if it has an unlocked bootloader, default android	Apr 29 19:13
Sosumi	I'm in	Apr 29 19:13
Sosumi	a google play edition of the galaxy s5 would have been nice	Apr 29 19:16
Sosumi	at least it would mean no bloatware	Apr 29 19:16
Sosumi	and no touchwiz	Apr 29 19:17
Sosumi	touchwiz, look at gangsta samsung is	Apr 29 19:18
Sosumi	*how	Apr 29 19:18
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sebsebseb	hi	Apr 29 19:23
schestowitz__	[19:12] <Sosumi> also note that Nattaniel Mott is a mactard	Apr 29 19:24
schestowitz__	any proof of this?	Apr 29 19:24
schestowitz__	Because if so, he's using the old Florian et al. tactic to create a rift	Apr 29 19:24
schestowitz__	commonly done to Samsung	Apr 29 19:24
Sosumi	he was exalting the new macbook air a while ago	Apr 29 19:25
schestowitz__	anything else?	Apr 29 19:25
Sosumi	he actually uses a mac	Apr 29 19:25
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sebsebseb	MinceR: Sosumi schestowitz__ I got unlucky	Apr 29 20:50
sebsebseb	Ubuntu 14.04 won't boot up properly on that old lap top either	Apr 29 20:50
sebsebseb	I had a feeling there would be isues	Apr 29 20:50
sebsebseb	and yep	Apr 29 20:50
sebsebseb	I think that probably applsy to like all Live CD's now or pretty much	Apr 29 20:50
sebsebseb	except for old ones from years ago	Apr 29 20:50
sebsebseb	Live CD's/DVD's	Apr 29 20:51
Sosumi	sebsebseb, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NV6Rdv1a3I	Apr 29 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Get Lucky (Official Audio) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h7lyp ]		Apr 29 20:51
Sosumi	:)	Apr 29 20:51
sebsebseb	MinceR: Sosumi Sosumi so how do I upgrade the computer to Linux uhmm.	Apr 29 20:51
MinceR	have you tried #!, debian, DSL?	Apr 29 20:51
Sosumi	I have no idea, other than maybe retiring the computer	Apr 29 20:52
MinceR	i'll see what distrowatch recommends for old computers	Apr 29 20:52
MinceR	http://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=Old+Computers&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=Ubuntu&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active	Apr 29 20:52
sebsebseb	I think treai d puppy before, but	Apr 29 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. [ http://ur1.ca/h7lz1 ]		Apr 29 20:52
MinceR	there's also puppy linux and antiX	Apr 29 20:53
sebsebseb	MinceR: I am thinking maybe I shoud install Ubuntu 10.04 on it	Apr 29 20:53
sebsebseb	or some version like that	Apr 29 20:53
sebsebseb	maybe even 6.06 I want a LTS verison	Apr 29 20:53
MinceR	i wouldn't recommend ubuntu, i don't see the point	Apr 29 20:53
sebsebseb	Ubuntu 6.06 worked fine from old CD's	Apr 29 20:53
sebsebseb	then to try and upgrae it	Apr 29 20:53
sebsebseb	LTS to LTS	Apr 29 20:53
sebsebseb	to LTS to the supported one that won't load up from A LIVE dvd I made, I guess this may work	Apr 29 20:53
sebsebseb	I think there may be a piont in Ubuntu or event Mint LTS. five years support :)	Apr 29 20:54
sebsebseb	MinceR: I ust want something that works and is supported still you know, and for long enough	Apr 29 20:54
sebsebseb	that computer could run Ubuntu 8.10 and such from Live CD before :)	Apr 29 20:55
sebsebseb	and 9.04	Apr 29 20:55
sebsebseb	I think Ubuntu 10.04 may work from Live CD	Apr 29 20:55
sebsebseb	then I could set up a ext4 partition and upgrade things hopefully :)	Apr 29 20:55
sebsebseb	MinceR: maybe it's the drive itself the cd/dvd drve or to some extent I don't now	Apr 29 20:56
MinceR	wp says the oldest ubuntu that's still supported on desktop is 12.04 LTS, released on 2012-04-26	Apr 29 20:56
sebsebseb	,but maybe I can plug in my external blue ray drive for examle that does cd's and dvd's as well, and see if the computer will boot up a disc from that, might make a difference?	Apr 29 20:56
MinceR	the oldest debian that's still supported is 6.0, released on 2011-02-06	Apr 29 20:56
sebsebseb	MinceR: what's wp?	Apr 29 20:56
MinceR	wikipedia	Apr 29 20:56
sebsebseb	yes 10.04 isn't supported	Apr 29 20:57
sebsebseb	,but I can download it and install from it, and then upgrade from it to a supported version I am thinking, that I am having Live DVD boot up issues with I am thinking	Apr 29 20:57
sebsebseb	a work around in other words :d	Apr 29 20:57
sebsebseb	normally you just load up the disc and install from tat	Apr 29 20:57
sebsebseb	MinceR: if the disc is old enough it should load up fine on there :)	Apr 29 20:58
sebsebseb	like the old 6.06 discs for example, bbut if I go with the work around idea, I don't think I need to go as far back as that	Apr 29 20:58
sebsebseb	Ubuntu 12.04 I got ofical CD's for that even	Apr 29 20:59
sebsebseb	and nope they don't boot up on that computer either	Apr 29 20:59
sebsebseb	same problems	Apr 29 20:59
sebsebseb	it basially has a blac screen seems to try and boot someting, makes some noises even to say that, but nope	Apr 29 20:59
MinceR	it should load up but it won't get updates :>	Apr 29 20:59
sebsebseb	MinceR: yes that's why once 10.04 is installed if the work around idea's	Apr 29 21:00
sebsebseb	first thing that is done is an online upgrade to 12.04	Apr 29 21:00
MinceR	also, old ubuntu releases get their repos moved to another domain -- not sure about debian	Apr 29 21:00
MinceR	oh, i see	Apr 29 21:00
sebsebseb	so I don't mean to use 10.04 no, just to install from it, and upgrade from	Apr 29 21:00
sebsebseb	a work around instad of using a later disc, that won't even boot up on the computer :d	Apr 29 21:01
sebsebseb	later ISO's have issues	Apr 29 21:01
sebsebseb	MinceR: and five years LTS is nice for such a old computer	Apr 29 21:01
sebsebseb	five years of support :)	Apr 29 21:01
sebsebseb	and the user etc	Apr 29 21:01
sebsebseb	I don't want to be going through end of life of some LInu distro verison in say 17 months time, thinking Magiea 4 here or 4.1 if I can get that installed	Apr 29 21:02
MinceR	good luck	Apr 29 21:02
sebsebseb	so instaling from a old Ubuntu version and online upgrading it to a supported verison, may be a great work around idea	Apr 29 21:02
sebsebseb	MinceR: I think that computer can run something better than Puppy Linux really or something like that	Apr 29 21:02
sebsebseb	even though it's from 2005	Apr 29 21:03
MinceR	:)	Apr 29 21:03
sebsebseb	2GB RAM in there, since the RAM got upgraded by my Dad before and yeah	Apr 29 21:03
sebsebseb	MinceR: work around idea sounds like a good idea?	Apr 29 21:04
MinceR	yes, except for ubuntu :>	Apr 29 21:04
sebsebseb	MinceR: well or Mint insted possibly	Apr 29 21:06
sebsebseb	,but Ubuntu and stuff based on it, is the only one with a proper long term support really that I know of	Apr 29 21:07
sebsebseb	Debian Stable heh heh	Apr 29 21:07
sebsebseb	?	Apr 29 21:07
MinceR	except debian has longer term support	Apr 29 21:07
MinceR	and it's less crazy	Apr 29 21:07
sebsebseb	Debian Stable you mean?	Apr 29 21:07
sebsebseb	MinceR: Ubuntu also has Unity which well	Apr 29 21:08
MinceR	yes	Apr 29 21:08
sebsebseb	I do much prefer GNOME Shell personally, but	Apr 29 21:08
DaemonFC	shared a link via Slashdot.org.	Apr 29 21:08
DaemonFC	9 minutes ago	Apr 29 21:08
DaemonFC	http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/29/1655220/new-zero-day-flash-bug-affects-windows-os-x-and-linux-computers?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebook	Apr 29 21:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-it.slashdot.org \| New Zero-Day Flash Bug Affects Windows, OS X, and Linux Computers - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/h7m2o ]		Apr 29 21:08
MinceR	i'm not sure if unity would work well on an old pc	Apr 29 21:08
sebsebseb	Unity is aimed at the non technicals etc a bit diffenret, but	Apr 29 21:08
DaemonFC	The idiots at Slashdot are blaming a bug in the proprietary Adobe Flash plugin on "Linux".	Apr 29 21:08
DaemonFC	What if I don't have that installed? It's not installed by default in any GNU/Linux distribution that I'm aware of because it isn't Free software. (Software that respects your freedom.)	Apr 29 21:08
DaemonFC	Chrome users would be safe because it uses a special sandboxed Flash plugin. The Chrome sandbox on GNU/Linux is nearly unbreakable.	Apr 29 21:08
MinceR	(well, i'm not sure if unity would ever work well anywhere)	Apr 29 21:09
sebsebseb	MinceR: yeah indeed Unity may have some issues	Apr 29 21:09
MinceR	(i mean, even their screensaver was ridiculously broken until recently)	Apr 29 21:09
sebsebseb	MinceR: ,but 14.04 gets some point releases to	Apr 29 21:09
sebsebseb	MinceR: oh and Ubuntu ins't just Unity	Apr 29 21:10
sebsebseb	I mean I can do LXDE or someting	Apr 29 21:11
sebsebseb	if Unity works horribly :d	Apr 29 21:11
DaemonFC	Ubuntu Long Term Support is supposed to be something similar to RHEL.	Apr 29 21:11
DaemonFC	The other Ubuntu releases are more like Fedora.	Apr 29 21:11
MinceR	supposed. :>	Apr 29 21:11
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: yep indeed someting like that	Apr 29 21:11
sebsebseb	the non LTS is like a testing thing	Apr 29 21:11
DaemonFC	MinceR, 14.04 LTS seems OK so far.	Apr 29 21:11
DaemonFC	I ran into a few bugs, but updates from the proposed updates repo fixed them.	Apr 29 21:12
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: except for me on that old computer, I coudn't install form the disc I made see above	Apr 29 21:12
DaemonFC	Most people who want a rock solid system will wait for a little while to upgrade anyway.	Apr 29 21:12
sebsebseb	however starting with 10.04 and doing LTS to LTS upgrades I guess may work :)	Apr 29 21:12
DaemonFC	Sort of like the old "Wait for the service pack" thing with Windows.	Apr 29 21:12
sebsebseb	start with 10.04 and upgrade things to 14.04	Apr 29 21:12
DaemonFC	Everyone who updates early gets the really bad bugs.	Apr 29 21:12
sebsebseb	and 12.04 is suppoted a bit longer yet I think a wlel	Apr 29 21:13
DaemonFC	sebsebseb, You'd need to upgrade 10.04 to 12.04, then to 14.04.	Apr 29 21:13
DaemonFC	You can't jump two LTS releases at once.	Apr 29 21:13
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: yep indeed exactly	Apr 29 21:13
sebsebseb	I know	Apr 29 21:13
sebsebseb	got to go through the other	Apr 29 21:13
DaemonFC	I can see why some people would still be using 10.04.	Apr 29 21:13
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: but if that works great I guess. I can't actsally boot the LIve CD's/DVD's of anything recent on that lap top	Apr 29 21:13
DaemonFC	Unity in 12.04 was nothing short of a disaster.	Apr 29 21:13
sebsebseb	seems any distro from the last uhmm	Apr 29 21:13
sebsebseb	three or four or so years	Apr 29 21:14
sebsebseb	won't work	Apr 29 21:14
DaemonFC	It felt like a non-LTS release.	Apr 29 21:14
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: so to avoide the whole later disc won't even boot up thing	Apr 29 21:14
sebsebseb	I am thinking install from a old release and do the upgrades online	Apr 29 21:14
sebsebseb	that should work I assume :)	Apr 29 21:14
DaemonFC	Debian has a thing called "oldstable".	Apr 29 21:14
sebsebseb	now hopefully 10.04 actsaully loads up from the disc then hmm	Apr 29 21:15
sebsebseb	I woul like Ext4 :)	Apr 29 21:15
DaemonFC	After a new stable release is out, you get some bare minimum support for the last stable release.	Apr 29 21:15
DaemonFC	Just security fixes.	Apr 29 21:15
DaemonFC	That lasts for another year or two to give people time to upgrade.	Apr 29 21:15
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: ok but Ubunt LTS does proper support	Apr 29 21:15
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: five years of support on a old lap top	Apr 29 21:15
sebsebseb	sounds nice doesn't it	Apr 29 21:15
sebsebseb	?	Apr 29 21:15
DaemonFC	yeah	Apr 29 21:15
DaemonFC	bbiab	Apr 29 21:15
sebsebseb	MinceR: I wonder if Unity will work on there	Apr 29 21:16
sebsebseb	or ok enough	Apr 29 21:16
sebsebseb	MinceR: cinnamon is kind of nice in MInt actsauly to, but it's so basic and uh	Apr 29 21:16
sebsebseb	Unity is a bbetter interface really, or is it? :d that's opino	Apr 29 21:17
sebsebseb	Unity is a bit diffenret, but kind of interesting, and more like GNOME Shell which I like :), Cinnamon is like a basic WIndows type interface	Apr 29 21:17
sebsebseb	MinceR: DaemonFC maybe the issue is with DVD's?	Apr 29 21:29
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: MinceR did we have DVD's in 2005?	Apr 29 21:29
MinceR	i don't know but wp knows :>	Apr 29 21:30
MinceR	apparently it appeared in 1995	Apr 29 21:30
sebsebseb	yeah I did a quick google for did we have dvd's in 2005 , and it seems so	Apr 29 21:31
sebsebseb	well 10.04.4 is also a CD	Apr 29 21:31
sebsebseb	do you remember those days, when Ubuntu actsauly fitted on a 700MB CD :d	Apr 29 21:32
MinceR	not sure	Apr 29 21:32
sebsebseb	yes then it got bigger	Apr 29 21:32
sebsebseb	and it's dvd size now	Apr 29 21:32
MinceR	that's what she said.	Apr 29 21:32
sebsebseb	she?	Apr 29 21:32
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That%27s_what_she_said	Apr 29 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Said the actress to the bishop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h7m8w ]		Apr 29 21:32
sebsebseb	MinceR: I think like Magiea	Apr 29 21:32
sebsebseb	there will be still some repo's	Apr 29 21:32
sebsebseb	for un supported releases	Apr 29 21:32
sebsebseb	just that don't get updated anymore, but that can stil install stuff from	Apr 29 21:32
sebsebseb	hence the lts to lts upgade for example	Apr 29 21:33
schestowitz__	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY3NTA	Apr 29 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Xamarin Studio Working On New Debugging Support		Apr 29 21:40
sebsebseb	MinceR: yes I'll have to change the repos a bit	Apr 29 21:46
sebsebseb	MinceR: like you were saying it seems, als just reading this now, good link :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/	Apr 29 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-help.ubuntu.com \| EOLUpgrades - Community Help Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/h7mci ]		Apr 29 21:47
sebsebseb	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/	Apr 29 21:47
MinceR	:)	Apr 29 21:47
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sebsebseb	MinceR: LTS to LTS to LTS	Apr 29 21:51
sebsebseb	and hopefuly 14.04 runs ok :d	Apr 29 21:51
sebsebseb	and if UNity some issue then some other interface I guess	Apr 29 21:51
sebsebseb	MinceR: five years of support and yeah	Apr 29 21:51
sebsebseb	computer will be like nearly 20 years old if still working by then to :d	Apr 29 21:51
Sosumi	gn	Apr 29 21:52
MinceR	o/	Apr 29 21:52
sebsebseb	Sosumi: a bit early?	Apr 29 21:52
Sosumi	and good luck with the laptop	Apr 29 21:52
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yeah thanks :)	Apr 29 21:52
Sosumi	I need to get up at 5am to eat, catch the bus at 6:40, begin workout at 7am be finished at 9, classes at 9:30 and so on	Apr 29 21:53
sebsebseb	Sosumi: oh right ok	Apr 29 21:53
sebsebseb	Sosumi: night hten	Apr 29 21:53
Sosumi	:)	Apr 29 21:53
sebsebseb	then	Apr 29 21:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines World's First Open Source Laptop Gets Wideband	Apr 29 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	Software-Defined Radio http://t.co/yP3YkUdq1h	Apr 29 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mme	Apr 29 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| World's First Open Source Laptop Gets Wideband Software-Defined Radio \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tiny i.MX286 SBC runs Debian on less than a	Apr 29 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	Watt http://t.co/VXI2k8gg49	Apr 29 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mmf	Apr 29 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tiny i.MX286 SBC runs Debian on less than a Watt \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 22:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Telepathy Sprint http://t.co/44uJ3ehCCB	Apr 29 22:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mpp	Apr 29 22:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/Fqb0CXqZC3	Apr 29 22:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mpq	Apr 29 22:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Get to know the Aio-one project	Apr 29 22:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8pIOlIelcS	Apr 29 22:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mpr	Apr 29 22:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Telepathy Sprint \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 22:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 22:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Get to know the Aio-one project \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 22:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/OHQQI2zJIl	Apr 29 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mxg	Apr 29 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/npx2uyxReO	Apr 29 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mxh	Apr 29 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 23:10
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MinceR	gn	Apr 29 23:21
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schestowitz__	http://i.imgur.com/dVufQu9.gif	Apr 29 23:35
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4006937	Apr 29 23:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Apr 29 23:38
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4006937	Apr 29 23:38
schestowitz__	"I think Roy has taken over Diaspora....i'll bring this up with him next time on TechBytes...its a full on invasion!"	Apr 29 23:38
schestowitz__	Posting and taking over are different concepts.	Apr 29 23:38
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4006302	Apr 29 23:43
schestowitz__	"True, as long as the press in question isn't owned by some greedy mega-corp willing to sacrifice any and all for the bottom line."	Apr 29 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@anonymiss@despora.de: ### There is no freedom without freedom of the press! ![freedom](https://www.reporter-ohne-grenzen.de/typo3temp/pics/d6a1a056b4.png) #freedom #press #journalism #war #weapon #information #politics #HumanRights #law #justice #whistleblower #police #violence #secret #surveillance		Apr 29 23:43
schestowitz__	In Russia the government controls the press and uses it to sell us a war. Thankfully we in the West don't have wars sold to us :/	Apr 29 23:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3999447	Apr 29 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic http://www.piware.de/2014/04/booting-ubuntu-with-systemd-now-in-utopic/ #systemd #ubuntu #gnu #linux #upstart		Apr 29 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.piware.de \| Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic « Martin Pitt [ http://ur1.ca/h7c1o ]		Apr 29 23:45
schestowitz__	"Myeh... he probably knows more than I do about it. When you get to be our age, though, you start to really have an appreciation for simplicity that just works. Know what I mean? ;)"	Apr 29 23:45
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 23:46
schestowitz__	I actually do like the speed with which a system will boot under systemd and there's much about it I like.	Apr 29 23:46
schestowitz__	What I very strongly dislike is that the documentation is in an appalling state. This, of course, is true for lots of things these days, but when I'm trying to solve a problem, I resent having to chase down a rat hole trying to figure how to use the tools I need.	Apr 29 23:46
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 23:46
schestowitz__	"Yes, the state of open source documentation isn't what it should be."	Apr 29 23:46
schestowitz__	Is documentation of proprietary software usually any better? Or do you need to phone up the support monopoly?	Apr 29 23:47
DaemonFC	Well, my problem with Ubuntu ever since they switched to Unity was that Unity just wasn't very stable.	Apr 29 23:48
DaemonFC	Bits and pieces of it would crash and freeze and it was just a really bad experience. They should have repackaged GNOME 2.32 or rebased on MATE or something for their last LTS.	Apr 29 23:48
DaemonFC	Because Unity had no business being in there in the state it was in.	Apr 29 23:49
DaemonFC	It wasn't even beta quality software in Ubuntu 12.04, and it was an LTS, and I was like "Really?".	Apr 29 23:50
DaemonFC	Maybe have Unity as a "technology preview" or something for people who knew there would be problems.	Apr 29 23:51
DaemonFC	When software gets a bad reputation, it can be hard to get rid of that, even if you fix it later.	Apr 29 23:51
DaemonFC	They basically gave away a lot of their users to Linux Mint.	Apr 29 23:53
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4005325	Apr 29 23:55
schestowitz__	"I just hope I'm be able to install SailfishOS on my MotoG :D"	Apr 29 23:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/80371.html?rss=1&utm_medium=twitter		Apr 29 23:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxinsider.com \| Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones \| Exclusives \| LinuxInsider [ http://ur1.ca/h7lbq ]		Apr 29 23:56
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007348	Apr 29 23:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: oozing cow lips... > ---- <strong> @{![Avatar](https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_small_86bd76a7b1df24759a67.jpg) HU Art Sound . ; huartsound@diasp.org} </strong><sup> [30/4/2014 09:15:11](/posts/0a63b1da1bd3065a)</sup> > Meanwhile at the hot dog factory... > > open wide, bite and enjoy .. > > ![](http://reho.st/gif/8e206fb084b6119f63f595966e853034de08057f.gif) > > http://www.b		Apr 29 23:57
schestowitz__	"And GMO free... So far as packaging is considered at least..."	Apr 29 23:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessinsider.com \| How Hot Dogs Are Made [PHOTOS] - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/h7n7k ]		Apr 29 23:57
DaemonFC	http://lists.opensuse.org/radeonhd/2008-01/msg00213.html	Apr 30 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.opensuse.org \| Re: [radeonhd] Initial 3D support question [ http://ur1.ca/h7nac ]		Apr 30 00:11
DaemonFC	"David Airlie was told not to work on ATI drivers due to an NDA conflict,	Apr 30 00:11
DaemonFC	now RedHat & AMD have agreed to let him continue to work on ATI Drivers"	Apr 30 00:11
DaemonFC	That was actually just a couple of really old pre-HD Radeons that have almost nothing in common with later cards.	Apr 30 00:11
DaemonFC	He still doesn't touch the code for those. It's feature complete anyway, so all it ever needs it an update for new X.org servers.	Apr 30 00:12
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cubezzz	ok, got some rudimentary framebuffer code working	Apr 30 03:47
cubezzz	some of the LKM's haven't been touched since 1999	Apr 30 03:48
cubezzz	msb, this is very low level stuff	Apr 30 03:52
cubezzz	one can pretty well open /dev/fb0 and write to the registers	Apr 30 03:58
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schestowitz__	Handy image for future posts	Apr 30 08:07
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007691	Apr 30 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Software available on the PRISM platform of your choice or GNU/Linux. Inspired by Tux Machines logo. Thanks, @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com}		Apr 30 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by willhill@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_ded07c8cca93bb5f7060.png		Apr 30 08:08
schestowitz__	http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/04/freemasonry-and-empire/	Apr 30 08:11
schestowitz__	"Unfortunately since about 1975 public opinion has been moulded into a rigid neo-conservative mindset, and neo-imperialism increasingly looks like the old variety. If you didn’t live through it, it must be hard now to believe that the British “elite” once held quite left wing opinions, and of course some ideologically motivated would wish to deny it as not fitting their model of society. But it was so,"	Apr 30 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk \| Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Freemasonry and Empire [ http://ur1.ca/h7q1m ]		Apr 30 08:11
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007214	Apr 30 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Abu Ghraib: A Torture Story Without a Hero or an Ending http://www.thenation.com/article/179556/abu-ghraib-torture-story-without-hero-or-ending #torture makes more enemies, it's counter-productive		Apr 30 08:12
schestowitz__	"It's terrorism."	Apr 30 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thenation.com \| Abu Ghraib: A Torture Story Without a Hero or an Ending \| The Nation [ http://ur1.ca/h7q1w ]		Apr 30 08:12
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4006953	Apr 30 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tired? Angry? Your car knows how you feel http://www.gizmag.com/epfl-psa-peugeot-citreon-emotion-detector-safety/31328/ will it be a networked (connected) car? Ripe for abuse.		Apr 30 08:12
schestowitz__	"they bluetooth into your phone, so you can pay monopoly wireless rates to be violated this way!"	Apr 30 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gizmag.com \| Tired? Angry? Your car knows how you feel		Apr 30 08:12
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007048	Apr 30 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Income Inequality Has Spurred a Boom in Private Security http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/04/income-inequality-has-spurred-boom-private-security ask #billgates http://techrights.org/2013/06/15/policing-as-a-private-business/		Apr 30 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.motherjones.com \| Income Inequality Has Spurred a Boom in Private Security \| Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/h7q25 ]		Apr 30 08:13
schestowitz__	"Sounds like it is spurring a lot of insecurity."	Apr 30 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Bill Gates Looking for Profit in Privatised Oppression in the United Kingdom and Elsewhere \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ebwta ]		Apr 30 08:13
schestowitz__	Financial insecurity for everyone, except the rich, who now feel afraid of all whom they rob.	Apr 30 08:13
schestowitz__	"	Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__	Ummm, yes....	Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__	And where are the people they have robbed?	Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__	"	Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__	"Yes, Will, that's the paradox. Money is a means to power, which is a means to controlling your environment, which is a means of freedom from interference. Except that it also makes you a target."	Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__	"People only have to worry when they are surrounded by people they have robbed."	Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4006292	Apr 30 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of people may not know or remember this, but before #novell sold out to #microsoft I had promoted Novell and used SUSE on all machines		Apr 30 08:16
schestowitz__	"Me too, long time ago, it was my hero when fighted SCO."	Apr 30 08:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @JoeSpeeds favourited 'Weston Gets Tailored For Tizen IVI, Car Makers...'		Apr 30 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Wins Award, Tails 1.0, and Ubuntu Warning	Apr 30 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eX0RI3EQv5	Apr 30 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7qby	Apr 30 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linus Wins Award, Tails 1.0, and Ubuntu Warning \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Asus Fonepad 7 Dual SIM now available on	Apr 30 09:02
TweetTuxMachines	Infibeam http://t.co/yBgtr2xbdZ	Apr 30 09:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7qct	Apr 30 09:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Galaxy K Zoom packs 20.7 MP camera, 10x	Apr 30 09:02
TweetTuxMachines	optical zoom http://t.co/yedgSi6aBi	Apr 30 09:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7qcu	Apr 30 09:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Albania Considers Free/Libre Open Source	Apr 30 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	Software http://t.co/X0H62bQoae	Apr 30 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7qcv	Apr 30 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Asus Fonepad 7 Dual SIM now available on Infibeam \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung Galaxy K Zoom packs 20.7 MP camera, 10x optical zoom \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Albania Considers Free/Libre Open Source Software \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 09:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Developers Propose Wayland For Fedora	Apr 30 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	21 http://t.co/W1sfqg3dru	Apr 30 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7qw7	Apr 30 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat Developers Propose Wayland For Fedora 21 \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Ultrabook Benchmarks On The Linux 3.15	Apr 30 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel http://t.co/8TAra6CEYF	Apr 30 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7qw9	Apr 30 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel Ultrabook Benchmarks On The Linux 3.15 Kernel \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical's audacious Ubuntu for Android	Apr 30 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	project isn't quite dead, but it is in limbo	Apr 30 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eD4MBYL0Yu	Apr 30 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7qwa	Apr 30 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical's audacious Ubuntu for Android project isn't quite dead, but it is in limbo \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@LibrePublico Libre y Público is out! http://t.co/BaQabFhI2x	Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	Stories via @steves99things @tuxmachines	Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	@fcauchi	Apr 30 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| Libre y Público		Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7r2a	Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Updated OpenOffice 'good news for	Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	administrations http://t.co/k86hhQVYXZ	Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7r2b	Apr 30 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Updated OpenOffice 'good news for administrations \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Review – The Best Way to	Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	Configure Ubuntu http://t.co/rSqNaOfUk7	Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7r2c	Apr 30 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Review – The Best Way to Configure Ubuntu \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 11:31
Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/flying-the-custom-flag-hands-on-with-the-oneplus-one-cyanogenmod-phone/	Apr 30 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Flying the custom flag: Hands on with the OnePlus One Cyanogenmod phone \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h7r5n ]		Apr 30 11:47
Sosumi	not the kind of reviews I like, typically detailed anandtech/gsmarena reviews, but it doesn't seem bad	Apr 30 11:48
Sosumi	if the phone actually delivers, I may end up getting one	Apr 30 11:53
Sosumi	better specs than the S5 minus the software bloat	Apr 30 11:54
Sosumi	and with the right pricetag	Apr 30 11:54
Sosumi	while the S5 is 200€ too expensive for what it offers	Apr 30 11:55
Sosumi	actually, at moment, the S5 is more expensive than the iphone	Apr 30 11:55
Sosumi	which is just dumb	Apr 30 11:56
Sosumi	since there's no perceived premium with the samsung brand as it is with crapple	Apr 30 11:56
Sosumi	the LG G3 is coming in june it seems	Apr 30 12:04
Sosumi	at least they don't bloat the entire phone compared with what samsung does	Apr 30 12:05
Sosumi	but the problem is that they don't support it very well, software wise, from what I've read	Apr 30 12:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UBUNTU 14.10 UTOPIC UNICORN RELEASE SCHEDULE	Apr 30 14:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/57H5sBmKtq	Apr 30 14:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7sib	Apr 30 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| UBUNTU 14.10 UTOPIC UNICORN RELEASE SCHEDULE \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 14:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Nokia Really Dying? http://t.co/VokOUk7EKU	Apr 30 14:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7sic	Apr 30 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is Nokia Really Dying? \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 14:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Presence of Chromebooks in businesses grows	Apr 30 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	with recent deals http://t.co/kFbLrnFmXS	Apr 30 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7u5c	Apr 30 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat to buy storage software maker Inktank	Apr 30 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	for $175 mln http://t.co/6HgXFIBpZ7	Apr 30 16:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Presence of Chromebooks in businesses grows with recent deals \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat to buy storage software maker Inktank for $175 mln \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 16:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.14.2 Officially Released	Apr 30 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZhX0VpNifv	Apr 30 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7vas	Apr 30 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Digitimes Research: Global tablet shipments to	Apr 30 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	rise in 2Q14 http://t.co/e20LBD78bo	Apr 30 17:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships April Updates to Applications,	Apr 30 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	Platform and Plasma Workspaces	Apr 30 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pVfDLyKOEX	Apr 30 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7vau	Apr 30 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Kernel 3.14.2 Officially Released \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Digitimes Research: Global tablet shipments to rise in 2Q14 \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Ships April Updates to Applications, Platform and Plasma Workspaces \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 17:34
Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/30/idc-phones-1q14/	Apr 30 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com \| Apple Again Trails Market in Smartphone Growth, but Closes on Nokia in Overall Mobile Phones - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h7vd2 ]		Apr 30 17:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 30 Beta Finally Supports GStreamer 1.0	Apr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iq0oDsFzvN	Apr 30 18:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox 30 Beta Finally Supports GStreamer 1.0 \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Yes, The World Can And Does Make Its Own	Apr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	Software Cheaper Than Renting	Apr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MfvJoQIiZL	Apr 30 18:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Yes, The World Can And Does Make Its Own Software Cheaper Than Renting \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qt 5.3 Release Candidate Planned For End Of	Apr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	Week http://t.co/c6N6e2ZoyJ	Apr 30 18:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Qt 5.3 Release Candidate Planned For End Of Week \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Training Becomes Embedded Engineer's Plan	Apr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	B http://t.co/sdOjXXmcNn	Apr 30 18:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Training Becomes Embedded Engineer's Plan B \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 18:06
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sebsebseb	hi	Apr 30 20:32
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Sosumi	sebsebseb, has been left to the crickets	Apr 30 21:51
Sosumi	crik, crik, crik, crik, crik, crik, crik, crik	Apr 30 21:51
Sosumi	(...)	Apr 30 21:51
Sosumi	crik	Apr 30 21:51
sebsebseb	Sosumi: hmm what?	Apr 30 21:51
Sosumi	no one replied or said anything until now	Apr 30 21:52
Sosumi	gn	Apr 30 21:59
Sosumi	crik :)	Apr 30 21:59
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DaemonFC	shared a link via Engadget.	Apr 30 23:51
DaemonFC	about an hour ago	Apr 30 23:51
DaemonFC	http://engt.co/1o4sljp	Apr 30 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| Windows will let you search your computer using everyday language		Apr 30 23:51
DaemonFC	I wonder if this will be as good as their utilities like "Fix Problems With Windows Update", that doesn't fix Windows Update problems.	Apr 30 23:51
DaemonFC	Instead of developing an assortment of Rube Goldberg-like utilities that don't actually fix the problem, why can't Microsoft just fix their damned bugs? If you know that a service tends to hang under certain conditions, you should explore this and fix the conditions under which it hangs, not develop a utility that kills and restarts the service.	Apr 30 23:51
DaemonFC	It's so much easier for Microsoft to do the wrong thing instead of fixing their bugs.	Apr 30 23:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Musix Linux: Sweet Strains Jarred by Sour Notes	May 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JbOkrOXUKj	May 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h845j	May 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now	May 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Download http://t.co/ylLfJMTiF4	May 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h845k	May 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD, Mentor Graphics Join Advisory Board for	May 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	Embedded Linux http://t.co/vdIac35XXQ	May 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h845m	May 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromebooks: Not much room for competition	May 01 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dzkgQJGYap	May 01 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h845n	May 01 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Musix Linux: Sweet Strains Jarred by Sour Notes \| Tux Machines		May 01 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now Available for Download \| Tux Machines		May 01 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD, Mentor Graphics Join Advisory Board for Embedded Linux \| Tux Machines		May 01 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Chromebooks: Not much room for competition \| Tux Machines		May 01 00:10
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3998813	May 01 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shame on Google for making it so exceptionally hard to block ads in Chrome under Android. Firefox makes that simple. #google #surveillance		May 01 00:26
schestowitz__	"That's true. They're still a long way behind Google though, and even then, they'd still be a not for profit advertising company."	May 01 00:26
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4009021	May 01 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Error from license plate scanner leads to #police stop that startles PV-based attorney http://pvpost.com/2014/04/16/error-from-license-plate-scanner-leads-to-police-stop-that-startles-pv-based-attorney-26688		May 01 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> pvpost.com \| Error from license plate scanner leads to police stop that startles PV-based attorney :: Prairie Village Post - Neighborhood news and events for Prairie Village, Fairway, Mission Hills [ http://ur1.ca/h84to ]		May 01 00:26
schestowitz__	"Think of it as a harassment tip more than an error. DHS contractors and FBI will give "tips" to local police to arrest people on pretexts for drug suspects. I'm afraid that the process is also used to harass dissidents and I expect more of these kinds of errors if we don't get rid of license plate readers."	May 01 00:27
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330	May 01 00:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #war		May 01 00:27
schestowitz__	"Why do you think the circumstances are clear? How do you know who the real photographer is? Have you seen a series of similar pictures in a blog with others of the driveway, etc?"	May 01 00:27
DaemonFC	I use Chromium on my desktop PC because Google Chrome tries to take over the entire computer and does bizarre things.	May 01 00:41
cubezzz	is Stallman living in New York now?	May 01 00:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mandriva and Linux Solutions Brazil, sign	May 01 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	partnership http://t.co/GldOf0lJzZ	May 01 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h85v8	May 01 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Flush 0.9.12 Review – A Lightweight BitTorrent	May 01 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	Client http://t.co/FoE9Cp553P	May 01 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h85v9	May 01 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SystemTap 2.5 release http://t.co/e0izEyxYL0	May 01 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h85va	May 01 00:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mandriva and Linux Solutions Brazil, sign partnership \| Tux Machines		May 01 00:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Flush 0.9.12 Review – A Lightweight BitTorrent Client \| Tux Machines		May 01 00:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SystemTap 2.5 release \| Tux Machines		May 01 01:00
DaemonFC	cubezzz, Massachusetts iirc.	May 01 01:03
cubezzz	there was an article about cloud computing and it referred to Stallman as a "New Yorker"	May 01 01:04
cubezzz	it was from 2008	May 01 01:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Publishes Open-Source Graphics Code For	May 01 01:51
TweetTuxMachines	Mullins & Beema http://t.co/vtrkQLuld5	May 01 01:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8664	May 01 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD Publishes Open-Source Graphics Code For Mullins & Beema \| Tux Machines		May 01 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/yOBpzOoTVI	May 01 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8665	May 01 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		May 01 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RawTherapee 4.0.12.0 Review – A Powerful Open	May 01 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	Source Alternative to Adobe's Lightroom	May 01 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9Qn9gdiIyH	May 01 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8666	May 01 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| RawTherapee 4.0.12.0 Review – A Powerful Open Source Alternative to Adobe's Lightroom \| Tux Machines		May 01 01:52
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Sosumi	http://www.voltairenet.org/article183542.html	May 01 06:51
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Sosumi	lessons to take	May 01 06:51
Sosumi	the fall of the USSR only brought forth the worst there is in the US	May 01 06:52
Sosumi	the current exclusion of russia from everything will put an end to the unipolar world	May 01 06:52
Sosumi	leading to an alternative system to the IMF/world bank system under the guise of the BRICS bank	May 01 06:53
Sosumi	and also means the end of globalism in sense	May 01 06:54
Sosumi	too bad that the nations under the present anglo-american hegemony don't take to opportunity to reassert the notion of the nation state	May 01 06:55
Sosumi	and repeal not just austerity and bad debt but as well ban financial derivatives and actually tax financial products	May 01 06:56
Sosumi	see status of foundations and no profit groups	May 01 06:57
Sosumi	because there is where the real rich stash their money	May 01 06:58
Sosumi	http://rt.com/news/156056-imf-approves-ukraine-aid/	May 01 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/h880n ]		May 01 07:21
Sosumi	IMF gives green light for $17 bn Ukraine aid package	May 01 07:21
Sosumi	don't forget the conditionalities	May 01 07:21
Sosumi	austerity and privatizations of profitable and important services/infrastructure	May 01 07:22
schestowitz__	"Thanks. I wish that I had cropped the Windows logo a little better. Let me see if I can't do that now."	May 01 07:27
schestowitz__	Sosumi: agreed	May 01 07:33
schestowitz__	thanks for the links, shared further	May 01 07:33
schestowitz__	[00:58] <cubezzz> is Stallman living in New York now?	May 01 07:34
schestowitz__	He grew up there and his mother, if she's alive, may still be living there	May 01 07:34
schestowitz__	Read the book Free as in Freedom	May 01 07:34
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007691	May 01 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Software available on the PRISM platform of your choice or GNU/Linux. Inspired by Tux Machines logo. Thanks, @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com}		May 01 07:35
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schestowitz__	"Here you go, Modern and Classic. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4013378 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4013375 "	May 01 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: PRISM Platform, Modern		May 01 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by willhill@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_b9f8babc08a1e4d53057.png		May 01 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: PRISM Platform, Classic		May 01 07:36
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3999447	May 01 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic http://www.piware.de/2014/04/booting-ubuntu-with-systemd-now-in-utopic/ #systemd #ubuntu #gnu #linux #upstart		May 01 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.piware.de \| Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic « Martin Pitt [ http://ur1.ca/h7c1o ]		May 01 07:36
schestowitz__	I undI understand fully what you're saying, David. However, when you're literally a week away from total financial collapse, any job wouI understand fully what you're saying, David. However, when you're literally a week away from total financial collapse, any job would be nice. :)"ld be nice. :)erstand fully what you're saying, David. However, when you're literally a week away from total financial collapse, any job would be nice. :)	May 01 07:37
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4013634	May 01 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mayday mayday. But do workers (labour) even know what it means? #exploitation #deprivation #classwar		May 01 07:37
schestowitz__	"Most think it means "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayday">Help me</a>!" but they had to be trained to say it in French, m'aider, because they are to proud ask for help if they know what they are saying. It's not a holiday here and most people will work a 10 or 12 hour day."	May 01 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayday">Help )		May 01 07:37
msb	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day	May 01 08:06
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msb	Workers of the World unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!	May 01 08:07
schestowitz__	http://www.networkworld.com/community/files/user13712/GitHub_comic.jpg	May 01 08:13
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4013698	May 01 08:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: ### "as an employee of an American company under PATRIOT act it would be foolish to expect any privacy. That's stuff I care about on non-corporate devices." <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/112648813199640203443/posts/VbF3AEprC9F">Jan Wildeboer, on the pluss, talking about cell phones</a>. Holy Shit! We know that the feds <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175">demanded Forced E		May 01 08:17
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schestowitz__	http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2gxklxp461qzg45so1_500.jpg	May 01 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Did the GNOME 3 developers violate design	May 01 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	principles? http://t.co/yCb64YPL0O	May 01 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h88eg	May 01 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Did the GNOME 3 developers violate design principles? \| Tux Machines		May 01 08:24
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4014747	May 01 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: canned snickers... ![canned snickers](http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m35rfyHkR01qgf8eko1_500.jpg) #canned #snickers		May 01 08:24
schestowitz__	"Labeled (in Russian): SnicLabeled (in Russian): Snickers in tomato sauce"ers in tomato sauce"	May 01 08:24
msb	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_of_the_world,_unite!	May 01 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Workers of the world, unite! - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h88ev ]		May 01 08:25
msb	schestowitz__: Sardines?	May 01 08:27
schestowitz__	http://i.imgur.com/xCa83KB.gif	May 01 08:35
schestowitz__	http://31.media.tumblr.com/428ceca34276a1c963e5cb399bd48af2/tumblr_mlip3sgW9J1s5rsdao1_500.jpg	May 01 08:39
schestowitz__	http://31.media.tumblr.com/95a27aa51a44754fdb9cf0bb9bdf5924/tumblr_mhtsxl3bLD1qbgb3mo1_500.jpg	May 01 08:46
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_41e1249cfcfae88a2975.gif	May 01 08:48
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/461774171987775488	May 01 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It's getting easier to end up in prison (for increasingly minor 'offences') https://t.co/EhBJ6lAbLY looking up one's opposition.		May 01 08:52
msb	Found while looking for canned Snickers -- don't blame me. http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6966989/the-real-reason-youre-circumcised	May 01 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collegehumor.com \| Why You Are Circumcised - CollegeHumor Video [ http://ur1.ca/h88ln ]		May 01 08:52
schestowitz__	Banning competing messages. Powerful. Without speech there's no awakening.	May 01 08:53
msb	downloadable with youtube-dl	May 01 08:53
schestowitz__	what is?	May 01 08:53
schestowitz__	the gif?	May 01 08:53
msb	The "Why You Are Circumcised" video. Actually pretty interesting.	May 01 08:53
schestowitz__	rituals	May 01 08:54
msb	rituals that severely traumatize children, insert fear at the core of their personality, making them easier to control as adults.	May 01 08:55
msb	Decades ago I saw a film on TV made by the Jewish Theological Seminary of New York City. It showed a baby being circumsized. The parents were proudly smiling. The Infant was screaming -- shrieking -- from the pain. And the parents were just happy.	May 01 08:58
msb	The baby was screaming as loud as it could. Such screams have the evolutionary purpose of warning others of terrible danger.	May 01 09:00
cubezzz	you've convinced me	May 01 09:00
msb	But the parents were so mind-controlled -- so programmed -- that their emotions were exactly the oppositel	May 01 09:00
msb	opposite.	May 01 09:00
cubezzz	there's a lot of things that seem wrong about the world	May 01 09:01
cubezzz	have you seen all those microsoft cloud ads?	May 01 09:01
cubezzz	they've really stepped up the advertising	May 01 09:01
msb	No. I don't want to lose my lunch.	May 01 09:02
cubezzz	and they diss chromebooks, although not overtly	May 01 09:02
cubezzz	they merely say: this laptop can run windows, it's not some thing that needs to be connected to the net all the time	May 01 09:02
msb	They want to have everyone's data so they can sell it to the government, generate personalized advertising, etc.	May 01 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME and the GIGO Principle	May 01 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yhelnoKamG	May 01 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h88ob	May 01 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Planned, Reviewed, Hacked, and Giving Up	May 01 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Rk9a8JaBuB	May 01 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME and the GIGO Principle \| Tux Machines		May 01 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h88oc	May 01 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Planned, Reviewed, Hacked, and Giving Up \| Tux Machines		May 01 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines You can now stream AAA games through your Ouya	May 01 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/I2icyiThxi	May 01 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h88od	May 01 09:06
cubezzz	stallman is anti-cloud, which is predictable	May 01 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| You can now stream AAA games through your Ouya \| Tux Machines		May 01 09:06
cubezzz	some of my older customers aren't too keen on it either	May 01 09:06
cubezzz	linux has something similar to windows which I call "software creep" for lack of a better term	May 01 09:08
cubezzz	it's when old programs stop working on newer versions	May 01 09:08
cubezzz	there's a blog in this... I have to study it more	May 01 09:09
cubezzz	it happened when linux switched to libusb	May 01 09:09
cubezzz	usually this has to do with device drivers and modules	May 01 09:09
cubezzz	there doesn't seem to be any way of transplanting LKM's from 2.4 into 2.6	May 01 09:10
cubezzz	of course now there's 3.X and beyond and I haven't even looked at that yet	May 01 09:11
cubezzz	there's certainly no device drivers which are inter-os compatible!	May 01 09:12
msb	"there's a lot of things that seem wrong about the world" http://cosmicpenguin.com/matrix01.txt	May 01 09:13
msb	The list keeps growing!	May 01 09:14
cubezzz	yes but these computer problems I feel I can do something about it :)	May 01 09:14
msb	I think network card drivers from Windows will work in Linux because someone wrote an adapter.	May 01 09:15
msb	We could do something about those social problems -- talk about them everywhere! Overcome the taboo against talking about them.	May 01 09:17
cubezzz	there were a lot of scanners that stopped working when win2k came out	May 01 09:17
cubezzz	so far I've been able to run everything across multiple linux versions, after a lot of work	May 01 09:18
msb	Writing an adapter layer to convert calls to one API into calls to another isn't that difficult. Tedious, maybe.	May 01 09:20
cubezzz	yes but I had to re-write some utilities to get them to work with a newer version of linux	May 01 09:21
msb	It's just text-to-text. Actually binary to binary, but the same principle. The result doesn't have to look good, just work.	May 01 09:21
cubezzz	I can't fopen /dev/usb/scanner0	May 01 09:22
msb	The whole semantics has changed there?	May 01 09:23
cubezzz	yeah	May 01 09:23
msb	job security	May 01 09:23
cubezzz	the old system was better, at least I thought so	May 01 09:23
cubezzz	openbsd has /dev/	May 01 09:24
msb	Like you used to know which drive was /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, etc, because it just depended on which mobo socket the cable was plugged into.	May 01 09:24
cubezzz	argh, hold on	May 01 09:24
cubezzz	ok	May 01 09:25
cubezzz	openbsd has /dev/uscanner0	May 01 09:25
msb	oops, I meant sda, sdb	May 01 09:25
cubezzz	so different again	May 01 09:25
cubezzz	the annoying thing is, it's the same scanner, same interface, but now the old software doesn't work	May 01 09:26
msb	One year I upgraded Linux and half of my bash scripts stopped working because the command-line syntax of various utilities had changed.	May 01 09:26
DaemonFC	msb, You're talking about ndiswrapper	May 01 09:27
msb	Sounds right.	May 01 09:27
cubezzz	ugh, that sounds so kludgey	May 01 09:30
cubezzz	I'd rather have the programming specs	May 01 09:30
cubezzz	and I see Microsoft has knackered ndiswrapper via WDF	May 01 09:32
msb	We Fremen have a saying: "God created Arrakis to train the faithful." (Arralos = Dune)	May 01 09:32
msb	We Fremen have a saying: "God created Arrakis to train the faithful." (Arrakis = Dune)	May 01 09:32
msb	What Da Fuk?	May 01 09:33
cubezzz	that also implies there's windows only routers, ugh	May 01 09:33
cubezzz	so I got xscanimage working on almost every computer	May 01 09:34
cubezzz	but kooka was no go	May 01 09:34
msb	Excellent!	May 01 09:34
cubezzz	yeah, but kooka was pretty much orphaned	May 01 09:35
DaemonFC	msb, Comcast claims that you need a Windows or Mac computer to use their internet service.	May 01 09:35
cubezzz	ha, msb buckin' the trends as usual :)	May 01 09:36
cubezzz	my ISP can't say that... they are running FreeBSD :)	May 01 09:36
DaemonFC	They have a "self install kit" that has a CD-ROM that sets up the modem you're renting from them (if you rent one).	May 01 09:36
DaemonFC	But, whether you rent or buy, you can call in and tell them the mac address of the modem, and they'll activate it that way.	May 01 09:37
msb	I've been using Comcrap with Linux for many years. I don't remember how, but it was easy to set up.	May 01 09:37
msb	Somebody at cust svc used Linux himself and told me how to do something to the cable modem using firefox.	May 01 09:39
msb	IIRC	May 01 09:40
msb	"provision" the modem	May 01 09:41
cubezzz	must be a cable modem thing	May 01 09:41
cubezzz	I've never had to do that	May 01 09:41
msb	I only had to do it once. It was just a three or so line voodoo recipe.	May 01 09:42
cubezzz	I've looked at the PPPoE protocol a bit	May 01 09:43
msb	You get confidence knowing that millions of others have had to do the same thing. It must be written up somewhere.	May 01 09:43
DaemonFC	Apparently, the iTunes Plus story gets even funnier. Apple was making people pay an extra 30 cents per file to strip out the DRM and upgrade the quality, but people who waited a while could just delete their old files and redownload them, and get the same thing for free.	May 01 09:44
DaemonFC	http://www.tuaw.com/2012/12/04/is-itunes-plus-gone-itunes-11-offers-drm-free-audio-re-download/	May 01 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuaw.com \| Is iTunes Plus gone? iTunes 11 offers DRM-free audio re-downloads \| Breaking Apple News, Tips and Reviews from The Unofficial Apple Weblog [ http://ur1.ca/h88vz ]		May 01 09:44
cubezzz	I known I changed my DSL modem without doing anything special	May 01 09:47
cubezzz	but I'm using a Free-net so it might be different	May 01 09:47
msb	There is a theory which holds	May 01 09:48
msb	that the greatest change happens	May 01 09:48
msb	on the edge of chaos.	May 01 09:48
msb	On this fringe lies	May 01 09:48
msb	creativity, risk, revolution.	May 01 09:48
msb	IOW, outlaws see things more clearly.	May 01 09:49
cubezzz	I've got a pretty decent setup now	May 01 09:52
cubezzz	all DC power units are on the UPS	May 01 09:52
cubezzz	multiple computers, multiple monitors, basically redundant everything	May 01 09:52
msb	Now you just need a stock of dried beans and a water purifier.	May 01 09:53
msb	XXX-Class solar flare? Bring it!	May 01 09:59
msb	http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-imx286-sbc-runs-debian-on-less-than-a-watt/	May 01 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Tiny i.MX286 SBC runs Debian on less than a Watt · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/h88zh ]		May 01 09:59
msb	Don't even need a gasoline or solar generator for that one. Just pedal the bicycle a couple of turns every hour.	May 01 10:00
msb	Anybody remember those "edge of chaos" promos shown on Showtime 10 or so years ago. Beautiful! Sure wish I could find one.	May 01 10:03
msb	Black and white, with a woman trailing a bright red scarf.	May 01 10:04
schestowitz__	http://c2.likes-media.com/img/9b2c1e1e15c1112ea1cab9024c9930ca.600x.gif	May 01 11:06
schestowitz__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mC8YfJY6uU	May 01 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Charming Animals - THE OCTOPUS, A MASTER OF CAMOUFLAGE - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h89fy ]		May 01 11:06
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4009018	May 01 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Everything the government does at the airport or to "terrorists" it will eventually want to do to everyone, anywhere http://www.wired.com/2014/04/smartphone-kill-switch/		May 01 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wired.com \| Feds Beg Supreme Court to Let Them Search Phones Without a Warrant \| Threat Level \| WIRED [ http://ur1.ca/h89gl ]		May 01 11:10
schestowitz__	"The obvious next arms-race step isn't to have an affirmitive wipe, but a negative one. If your device doesn't receive its keep-alive signal within a specified interval, all data are deleted (or encrypted). Actually, encryption + tossing the key would go a long way, offering you the option of recovery in the case of an innocent outage. The DoS potential has to be considered. And there's still rubber hose / spanner cryptanalysis to	May 01 11:11
schestowitz__	address."	May 01 11:11
schestowitz__	"	May 01 11:17
schestowitz__	Danielle Kurtzleben, "Sarah Palin compared waterboarding to baptism, and Christians are furious," Vox, April 28, 2014, http://www.vox.com/2014/4/28/5661708/sarah-palin-compared-waterboarding-to-baptism-and-christians-are	May 01 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vox.com \| Sarah Palin compared waterboarding to baptism, and Christians are furious - Vox [ http://ur1.ca/h89i0 ]		May 01 11:17
schestowitz__	David Sherfinski, "Sarah Palin stands firm on ‘waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists’ line," Washington Times, April 28, 2014, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/28/sarah-palin-stands-firm-waterboarding-how-we-bapti/	May 01 11:17
schestowitz__	David Edwards, "Thousands of Christians organize against Sarah Palin after waterboarding joke mocks baptism," Raw Story, April 30, 2014, http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/30/thousands-of-christians-organize-against-sarah-palin-after-waterboarding-joke-mocks-baptism/	May 01 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtontimes.com \| Sarah Palin stands firm on 'waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists' line - Washington Times [ http://ur1.ca/h89i1 ]		May 01 11:17
schestowitz__	"	May 01 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com \| Thousands of Christians organize against Sarah Palin after waterboarding joke mocks baptism [ http://ur1.ca/h89i2 ]		May 01 11:17
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4014878	May 01 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: The headline should be something like: This is what Christ feels like ![](http://i.imgur.com/xCa83KB.gif) #gif		May 01 11:17
schestowitz__	wow, this is disgusting on so many levels. Reload don't retreat...	May 01 11:18
schestowitz__	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/27/1295083/-Sarah-Palin-thinks-we-should-baptize-terrorists-by-waterboarding-them	May 01 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com \| Sarah Palin thinks we should "baptize" terrorists by waterboarding them [ http://ur1.ca/h89iu ]		May 01 11:21
schestowitz__	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/24/1280021/-UN-Unspeakable-Atrocities-in-North-Korea	May 01 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com \| UN: "Unspeakable Atrocities" in North Korea [ http://ur1.ca/h89jj ]		May 01 11:25
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/461809086582251523	May 01 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: #Ecology meets the Science for the People logo #SfTP14 MT @schestowitz: What May 1st stands for https://t.co/LkDkwGQeDI #MayDay		May 01 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NixOS 14.04 Released http://t.co/bvAoZiW3XP	May 01 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h89sr	May 01 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pinguy OS 14.04 Mini Has Been Released. The	May 01 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	Full Version Will Also Arrive Soon	May 01 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KRBhNwk1TR	May 01 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h89ss	May 01 11:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NixOS 14.04 Released \| Tux Machines		May 01 11:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Pinguy OS 14.04 Mini Has Been Released. The Full Version Will Also Arrive Soon \| Tux Machines		May 01 11:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Emmabuntüs is a finalist of the cyber-activism	May 01 15:01
TweetTuxMachines	competition http://t.co/RQPYdWpKvI	May 01 15:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8azx	May 01 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Emmabuntüs is a finalist of the cyber-activism competition \| Tux Machines		May 01 15:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 29 now available in Fedora	May 01 15:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hJb9XdhNOv	May 01 15:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8azy	May 01 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox 29 now available in Fedora \| Tux Machines		May 01 15:01
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016677	May 01 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Miami Jury: CIA Involved in JFK Assassination http://www.globalresearch.ca/miami-jury-cia-involved-in-jfk-assassination/5379965?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=miami-jury-cia-involved-in-jfk-assassination 2 thirds of US public believes so		May 01 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.globalresearch.ca \| Miami Jury: CIA Involved in JFK Assassination \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/h8b8b ]		May 01 15:38
schestowitz__	"Poppy Bush was in Dallas that day too, but said he can't remember exactly what he was doing. . ."	May 01 15:38
Sosumi	https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Battleground_Ukraine	May 01 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikispooks.com \| Document:Battleground Ukraine - WikiSpooks [ http://ur1.ca/h8b8i ]		May 01 15:39
Sosumi	Ukraine as a dumping ground	May 01 15:39
Sosumi	even for nuclear waste	May 01 15:39
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016687	May 01 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The CIA denied having any role in arming Libyan rebels before the deadly 2012 Benghazi attacks, despite reporting" http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/30/cia-denies-blaze-benghazi-report-so-many-problems/		May 01 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theblaze.com \| CIA Denies Blaze Benghazi Report: ‘So Many Problems’ \| TheBlaze.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8b8k ]		May 01 15:40
schestowitz__	"In other news, the CIA wants you to know they did not organize the putsch that replaced the weak, corrupt, but elected, president of Ukraine with an unelected technocrat nobody likes, and a bunch of Nazi thugs to carry out his orders. Yeah, there was that thing in Iran in 1953, and the one in Chile in 1973, and numerous little things in the Middle East, Latin America, etc etc etc etc ... but nope, they didn't have anything in	May 01 15:40
schestowitz__	Ukraine."	May 01 15:40
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016684	May 01 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Obama administration may soon send shoulder-fired missiles to the rebels" [terrorists] http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/cia-s-resolve-to-track-weapons-complicates-push-to-arm-syria-rebels-1.280822		May 01 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.stripes.com \| CIA's resolve to track weapons complicates push to arm Syria rebels - Middle East - Stripes [ http://ur1.ca/h8b8p ]		May 01 15:40
schestowitz__	"How long will it take to bypass the fingerprint scanners? Couple of minutes, maybe?"	May 01 15:40
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Sosumi	just cut the finger or grab the guy's fingerprint and make a mold out of silicon of it	May 01 15:44
Sosumi	if it is an iris scan, well just gouge the guy's eye out	May 01 15:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4013298	May 01 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Chase Bank Slutshames Their Adult Performer Customers http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140424/18113827025/chase-bank-slutshames-their-adult-performer-customers.shtml thieves try to tell us what's ethical and what's not		May 01 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| Chase Bank Slutshames Their Adult Performer Customers \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/h881o ]		May 01 15:44
schestowitz__	"Or block a decade long series of payments to the FSF as suspicious like they did to me? The payment goes through without a problem now, but for two or three months I had to deal with the bank to get them to pay my monthly subscription. I wonder how many people did not have the time for it and gave up."	May 01 15:45
Sosumi	if it is a voice pattern, just call him or/and entertain him while recording his voice to get the pattern	May 01 15:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016261	May 01 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: State-sponsored (by taxpayers, against taxpayers) crime: #nsa is recruiting crackers http://www.wbur.org/npr/307963996/whats-the-nsa-doing-now-training-more-cyber-warriors business as usual. #OnePercent		May 01 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wbur.org \| What's The NSA Doing Now? Training More Cyberwarriors \| WBUR & NPR [ http://ur1.ca/h8ba0 ]		May 01 15:45
schestowitz__	"It's an arms race and it's going to get exponentially more difficult. In the wake of Snowden, every country that wants privacy, security or a modern military is going to have it's own SE Linux effort. While non free software is clearly out, I don't look forward to every military and spy agency in the world joining the free software community. Projects will have to be more diligent than ever."	May 01 15:45
Sosumi	so in the end	May 01 15:45
Sosumi	the best security for everyone is a simple card and a password	May 01 15:46
Sosumi	no need for anyone to get hurt, right?	May 01 15:46
Sosumi	:)	May 01 15:46
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/461898015272611841	May 01 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_Goblin: @schestowitz I'd still say Peppermint 4 is by the far the best not only for speed, but for flexibility.		May 01 17:03
msb	For faking biometrics without mutilation, get a fingerprint off a drinking glass and make a 3D mold from it, or get the person to look into a retinal scanner and feed the pattern to a little display that looks like an eyeball to another retinal scanner. The vic will always choose to look in the perp's scanner rather than have his eye gouged out. And such scanner/displays (powered by RaspPI or the like) will be available for a few	May 01 17:07
msb	hundred bucks, complete.	May 01 17:07
msb	The only real security is to have a human, non-psychopathic, society.	May 01 17:08
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditFirefox favourited 'Firefox 29 now available in Fedora http://t.co/hJb9XdhNOv'		May 01 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox 29 now available in Fedora \| Tux Machines		May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta Is a Minimalistic OS	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	with an Interesting e19 Desktop	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M6mAdxoxQi	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cbf	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Shell & Mutter 3.13.1 Released	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/os7x6ErSpE	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cbg	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr : Video Review	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	and Screenshot Tour http://t.co/FcL9qVkAWY	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cbh	May 01 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta Is a Minimalistic OS with an Interesting e19 Desktop \| Tux Machines		May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 Best and Top Linux Distros To Replace Windows	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	XP http://t.co/zg7zcZRfaw	May 01 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cbi	May 01 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME Shell & Mutter 3.13.1 Released \| Tux Machines		May 01 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Xubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr : Video Review and Screenshot Tour \| Tux Machines		May 01 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 5 Best and Top Linux Distros To Replace Windows XP \| Tux Machines		May 01 17:12
msb	I know this needs a lot of work, but I've tried to list all the components of the Matrix that I can think of. Suggestions welcome! http://cosmicpenguin.com/matrix01.txt	May 01 17:12
msb	That	May 01 17:14
msb	That's a listing of the components of our mind-control programming.	May 01 17:14
schestowitz__	https://pod.orkz.net/uploads/images/scaled_full_88ca5bdb6005139afc2b.jpg	May 01 17:25
schestowitz__	Mine was, damn sneezes	May 01 17:26
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4014533	May 01 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@anotherworld@diasp.eu: This sculpture by Issac Cordal in Berlin is called "Politicians discussing global warming." #climatechange		May 01 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by anotherworld@diasp.eu: https://diasp.eu/uploads/images/thumb_medium_77a357db7279bf33fd73.jpg		May 01 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by anotherworld@diasp.eu: https://diasp.eu/uploads/images/thumb_medium_77a357db7279bf33fd73.jpg		May 01 17:28
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4015741	May 01 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2-year proposal anniversary yesterday http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/2-Year-Proposal-Anniversary-and-Captain-America		May 01 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> schestowitz.com \| 2-Year Proposal Anniversary and Captain America [ http://ur1.ca/h8cse ]		May 01 18:14
schestowitz__	"Congrats dude."	May 01 18:14
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016451	May 01 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Imagine the reaction if foreign nations carried out #drone strikes on US soil (hypothetical): http://alleynews.org/2014/04/iraqi-judge-brushes-off-bush-lawsuit-against-iraqis-for-georges-death/		May 01 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> alleynews.org \| Iraqi Judge “brushes off” Bush lawsuit against Iraqis for George’s death \| The Alley Newspaper [ http://ur1.ca/h8csu ]		May 01 18:15
schestowitz__	"You don't have to have a wild imagination to think that. If an impoverished country like Pakistan can have nukes, do you think that having drones would be a lot more difficult? If terrorists can hijack planes, would it be unthinkable to steal a drone? If nobody knows where is the Malaysian missing plane, do you think that a smaller drone cannot fly the US unnoticed? I guess the US didn't think carefully what the use of drones	May 01 18:15
schestowitz__	entails."	May 01 18:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Containers bring a skinny new world of	May 01 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	virtualization to Linux http://t.co/nDThxCFwmH	May 01 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cyz	May 01 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/prjRtBmx7T	May 01 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cz0	May 01 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/CZgQ2SbSZR	May 01 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cz1	May 01 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Containers bring a skinny new world of virtualization to Linux \| Tux Machines		May 01 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		May 01 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		May 01 18:37
Sosumi	confirmed, osx to be LSDified	May 01 18:37
Sosumi	as they just pulled part of the design team for revision 10.10	May 01 18:38
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Sosumi	now lets see if they also excel at making the new gui nauseating	May 01 18:39
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Sosumi	so folks can go and puke on the trashcan pro	May 01 18:39
Sosumi	!	May 01 18:39
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Sosumi	and maybe that was the whole idea behind the trascan design	May 01 18:40
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Sosumi	and xp is getting that emergency IE update	May 01 20:01
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Sosumi	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7090359296/hC9AB748A/	May 01 20:33
Sosumi	and that is indeed how google glass should have been	May 01 20:33
Sosumi	or that or transparent screens for the creation of an overlay for stereoscopic augment reality	May 01 20:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		May 01 21:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Radeon DRM Graphics Benchmarks On Linux 3.15	May 01 21:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/S28DTr0sNi	May 01 21:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8e2k	May 01 21:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based K-9 doppelganger treads ELC	May 01 21:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sUcZ2fDb3l	May 01 21:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8e2l	May 01 21:12
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DaemonFC	It looks like I've lost my ipv6 address when I activated my new modem. :P	May 01 21:24
Sosumi	an ipv6 packet walks into a bar	May 01 21:28
Sosumi	but no one talks to him	May 01 21:28
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/buy-box-cereal-waive-your-rights-goodbye	May 01 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| Buy a Box of Cereal, Waive Your Consumer Rights Goodbye \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/h8ei3 ]		May 01 22:10
DaemonFC	Food companies are now trying to say that they have the right to make you agree to an end user license agreement when you buy their products at the grocery store.	May 01 22:10
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DaemonFC	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/business/when-liking-a-brand-online-voids-the-right-to-sue.html?_r=0	May 01 22:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Powerful Image Editing Software Fotoxx 14.05	May 01 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	Now Requires at Least Ubuntu 13.10	May 01 22:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gs2eSZnfTL	May 01 22:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8elz	May 01 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Powerful Image Editing Software Fotoxx 14.05 Now Requires at Least Ubuntu 13.10 \| Tux Machines		May 01 22:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Clonezilla Live 2.2.2-4 Is a Linux Distro for	May 01 22:26
TweetTuxMachines	Complete Backup http://t.co/6HB1jcRxWN	May 01 22:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8em1	May 01 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Clonezilla Live 2.2.2-4 Is a Linux Distro for Complete Backup \| Tux Machines		May 01 22:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.13.1 Released http://t.co/JFTDZhNX3q	May 01 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8f6i	May 01 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calligra 2.8.1 is Out http://t.co/HZoMDMXahN	May 01 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8f6j	May 01 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nvidia $192 Tegra TK1 board could be used as a	May 01 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	Linux gaming PC http://t.co/RVunuJm7OP	May 01 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8f6k	May 01 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME 3.13.1 Released \| Tux Machines		May 01 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Calligra 2.8.1 is Out \| Tux Machines		May 01 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Nvidia $192 Tegra TK1 board could be used as a Linux gaming PC \| Tux Machines		May 01 23:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland 1.5 Release Candidate Is Out There	May 02 00:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9V2n9jeU4u	May 02 00:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8fhr	May 02 00:41
*TweetTuxMachines @RanjibDey retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Calligra 2.8.1 is Out http://t.co/HZoMDMXahN'		May 02 00:41
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msb	Wow! If you're wearing a heads-up display, this SBC could create a virtual reality more detailed (and a lot more interesting) than real reality! $200, designed for Linux! http://www.pcworld.com/article/2150700/nvidia-192-tegra-tk1-board-could-be-used-as-a-linux-gaming-pc.html	May 02 04:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| Nvidia $192 Tegra TK1 board could be used as a Linux gaming PC \| PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/h8gql ]		May 02 04:27
DaemonFC	I'm getting old.	May 02 04:33
DaemonFC	I just remembered when I was like 5 or 6, and my mom filled up her gas tank and the person at the window said they didn't feel comfortable accepting a $50 bill.	May 02 04:34
DaemonFC	It cost about $15 to fill up the tank back then.	May 02 04:34
DaemonFC	I don't think there's anything people are driving now with four wheels that takes less than $50 to fill up.	May 02 04:35
DaemonFC	Well, unless it's an $80,000 Tesla or something.	May 02 04:35
DaemonFC	:)	May 02 04:35
cubezzz	any electric car	May 02 05:14
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available#Highway_capable	May 02 05:15
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cubezzz	Nissan Leaf sold more than 100,000 units	May 02 05:17
DaemonFC	not to me	May 02 05:20
DaemonFC	I get cars after they've had the shit beaten out of them. LOL	May 02 05:21
cubezzz	you sould be able to get an electric car used	May 02 05:21
cubezzz	should	May 02 05:21
DaemonFC	Not for any amount of money I'm likely to come across...	May 02 05:22
cubezzz	I'm seeing 2011's for about $11K	May 02 05:27
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schestowitz__	http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-neo-nazi-imperative-the-mainstream-medias-one-sided-propaganda/5378470	May 02 07:59
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schestowitz__	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7090359296/hC9AB748A/	May 02 08:01
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3999447	May 02 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic http://www.piware.de/2014/04/booting-ubuntu-with-systemd-now-in-utopic/ #systemd #ubuntu #gnu #linux #upstart		May 02 08:34
schestowitz__	"	May 02 08:34
schestowitz__	I can't tell you what you want.	May 02 08:34
schestowitz__	But what I want is for it never, ever, under any circumstances to happen again. And for me, that means finding a stable employer who actually respects me as a human being. Anything less is just a set-up for it happening all over again.	May 02 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.piware.de \| Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic « Martin Pitt [ http://ur1.ca/h7c1o ]		May 02 08:34
schestowitz__	"	May 02 08:34
schestowitz__	"	May 02 08:34
schestowitz__	"...finding a stable employer who actually respects me as a human being."	May 02 08:34
schestowitz__	This has been a goal of mine for quite some time now. I wish for this for both of us, David, or a BIG jackpot win in the lottery; whichever comes first!	May 02 08:34
schestowitz__	"	May 02 08:34
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016194	May 02 08:35
schestowitz__	"This is interesting but not as strong as other evidence of the same. The article is about advertising and has some plausible denials about advertising. Techrights covered harder to deny hardware bribery for bloggers several times. The ultimate evidence of dishonesty is the Microsoft training document, "Evangelism is War" and related memos. These shows that everything in publishing is considered quid quo pro by them, that the "	May 02 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: For the uninitiated, #microsoft and #billgates have both been bribing bloggers for years to embed talking points http://labnol.blogspot.co.uk/2007/06/microsoft-wins-as-fm-gawker-argue-over.html		May 02 08:35
schestowitz__	Microsoft Press" is controlled to the word and that all "independent" "one to many" communications forums are to be "infiltrated" and "subverted" into a dishonest Microsoft advertising forum while retaining the appearance of neutrality and independence."	May 02 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> labnol.blogspot.co.uk \| Microsoft Smiles as FM and ValleyWag Argue Over People Ready Ads [ http://ur1.ca/h8i3o ]		May 02 08:35
schestowitz__	Microsoft is a very unethical and criminal beast. Some people forget it these days.	May 02 08:35
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4021133	May 02 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Any talk of economic recovery is pure fiction http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/28/economic-recovery-fiction-importing-crisis-southern-europe-low-paying-jobs passing even more power and money to #plutocracy not "recovery"		May 02 08:38
schestowitz__	"	May 02 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Any talk of economic recovery is pure fiction \| Aditya Chakrabortty \| Comment is free \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/h8i47 ]		May 02 08:38
schestowitz__	Annie Lowrey, "Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones," New York Times, April 27, 2014, http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/recovery-has-created-far-more-low-wage-jobs-than-better-paid-ones.html	May 02 08:38
schestowitz__	And the other issue with these jobs is that they are with the most abusive employers, those who revel in the infinite replaceability of workers.	May 02 08:38
schestowitz__	"	May 02 08:38
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schestowitz__	Let them eat crumbs	May 02 08:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) to Get Linux	May 02 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel 3.15.x Soon http://t.co/Hy4iwgP97H	May 02 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8i92	May 02 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) to Get Linux Kernel 3.15.x Soon \| Tux Machines		May 02 09:01
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schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4021459	May 02 10:24
schestowitz_bed2	"Shocking and damn irresponsible. She should research and promote together the Russian food system."	May 02 10:24
schestowitz_bed2	USSR fought and defeated Hitler while taking the largest losses. Provoking Putin is not a recipe for peace.	May 02 10:25
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TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.75	May 02 10:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ROSA Software Center: Beta, but looks, feels	May 02 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	and functions better than the competition	May 02 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Qs7j3DgMZV	May 02 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8irh	May 02 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Is Trying For Mullins Support In Linux 3.15	May 02 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9L8tXaNwPG	May 02 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8iri	May 02 10:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| ROSA Software Center: Beta, but looks, feels and functions better than the competition \| Tux Machines		May 02 10:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD Is Trying For Mullins Support In Linux 3.15 \| Tux Machines		May 02 10:27
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4021543	May 02 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #IMF Confirms $17bn Loan to Ukraine with Conditions That Will Devastate the Economy http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2014/05/01/imf-confirms-17bn-loan-to-ukraine-with-conditions-that-will-devastate-the-economy/ 'gifts' of #debt		May 02 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.scriptonitedaily.com \| IMF Confirms $17bn Loan to Ukraine with Conditions That Will Devastate the Economy \| Scriptonite Daily [ http://ur1.ca/h8ise ]		May 02 10:29
schestowitz_bed2	"Supposing there's anything left to devastate after Russia has finished with it"	May 02 10:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreS3 Open Source Amazon S3 Implementation	May 02 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	Released http://t.co/v7I9SsOBI5	May 02 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8j09	May 02 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreS3 Open Source Amazon S3 Implementation Released \| Tux Machines		May 02 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Acer Chromebook has Core i3 processor	May 02 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9fduukRGeJ	May 02 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8j0a	May 02 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New Acer Chromebook has Core i3 processor \| Tux Machines		May 02 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Building an Arduino Pest Repeller on Linux	May 02 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	(Part 2) http://t.co/a76y9u1rof	May 02 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8j0b	May 02 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Building an Arduino Pest Repeller on Linux (Part 2) \| Tux Machines		May 02 11:07
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_Goblin	Can someone tell me if I'm showing as OP...this chromebook IRC client doesn't display that status.	May 02 12:47
cubezzz	no op	May 02 12:51
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msb_	In England, criminalisation of anything that anyone (especially the govt) might not like: http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2014/04/24/12-year-old-dragged-from-class-after-anti-terror-police-flag-up-his-facebook-protest-against-cameron/	May 02 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scriptonitedaily.com \| 12 Year Old Dragged From Class After Anti-Terror Police Flag Up His Facebook Protest Against Cameron \| Scriptonite Daily		May 02 13:15
Jibbler2	sounds fair - aren't you supposed to be 13 to use facebook?	May 02 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 8 Android apps to sate your lust for	May 02 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	open-source http://t.co/9N7lrnunra	May 02 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8jye	May 02 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux Media Edition 8.2 Beta OS Can Play,	May 02 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	Rip, and Encode Any Media File	May 02 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ya7dt18Ivu	May 02 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8jyf	May 02 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 8 Android apps to sate your lust for open-source \| Tux Machines		May 02 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 4MLinux Media Edition 8.2 Beta OS Can Play, Rip, and Encode Any Media File \| Tux Machines		May 02 13:25
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msb_	"<Jibbler2> sounds fair - aren't you supposed to be 13 to use facebook?" New function of police: violent enforcement of Facebook TOS.	May 02 13:27
msb_	I thought Batman had locked up the Jibbler in Arkham Asylum.	May 02 13:31
Sosumi	yikes, england	May 02 13:55
Sosumi	biggest police state in the entire world	May 02 13:55
Sosumi	even more than the US	May 02 13:55
Sosumi	although, the US kind of wins in the police brutality department	May 02 13:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 To Sport Docker	May 02 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iRw7l3tRm3	May 02 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8k8v	May 02 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 To Sport Docker \| Tux Machines		May 02 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Online Accounts 3.13.1 Ditches Twitter	May 02 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	and Windows Live Support http://t.co/yqxLFkRQ1I	May 02 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8k8w	May 02 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME Online Accounts 3.13.1 Ditches Twitter and Windows Live Support \| Tux Machines		May 02 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA Publishes Revised Open-Source TK1	May 02 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	Graphics Code http://t.co/eajcxrTZFh	May 02 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8k8x	May 02 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NVIDIA Publishes Revised Open-Source TK1 Graphics Code \| Tux Machines		May 02 14:07
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_Goblin	Hello all	May 02 15:37
Sosumi	firefox has a new look now	May 02 15:44
Sosumi	and it looks like crap	May 02 15:45
Jibbler2	makes it kind of hard to see what the title of any page is	May 02 15:45
Sosumi	yep	May 02 15:45
_Goblin	Could someone please let me know if I'm showing as OP in this channel...my irc client doesn't seem to like to give status;s.	May 02 15:52
Sosumi	nop, you're not showing as OP	May 02 15:53
_Goblin	thanks....its not passing commands then...	May 02 15:59
_Goblin	thats ok	May 02 15:59
schestowitz_bed2	For the first time I can recall, someone today thought I was Spanish	May 02 16:17
schestowitz_bed2	I didn't know I look Spanish	May 02 16:17
schestowitz_bed2	_Goblin: can record soon perhaps?	May 02 16:17
DaemonFC	Sosumi, I like the new look better.	May 02 16:17
schestowitz_bed2	Sosumi: is it as bad as some say?	May 02 16:17
_Goblin	yep....however as per twitter....my pc died yesterday	May 02 16:17
schestowitz_bed2	I read from people who ditch it because of how Mozilla treated Eich	May 02 16:18
_Goblin	im on my chromebook and the one thing it doesn't do is mumble	May 02 16:18
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-most-absurd-right-wing-christian-billboards	May 02 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| 10 Most Absurd Right-Wing Christian Billboards \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/h8l9e ]		May 02 16:18
Sosumi	I don't like it	May 02 16:18
_Goblin	unless you can record a google hangout	May 02 16:18
schestowitz_bed2	ouch, dead PC?	May 02 16:19
schestowitz_bed2	so maybe I can come over to yours with the laptop :-)	May 02 16:19
Sosumi	and this new GUI feels kind of redundant	May 02 16:19
_Goblin	GPU fan gone....	May 02 16:20
_Goblin	and no I can't replace it....remember that MicroAcer type CPU? Opening it up I'd need a phd in brainsurgery in order to get to it.	May 02 16:20
_Goblin	I wrote about it a little in my recent article: http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/the-reality-of-chromebooksos-not-as-limited-as-you-think/	May 02 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openbytes.wordpress.com \| The Reality of Chromebooks/OS – Not as limited as you think! \| OpenBytes - Goblin's Domain [ http://ur1.ca/h8lao ]		May 02 16:23
schestowitz_bed2	_Goblin: I'll tuxmachine it	May 02 16:24
schestowitz_bed2	check post stats in an hour	May 02 16:26
_Goblin	:)	May 02 16:26
_Goblin	I notice I'll take a hit of around 1000 in a day just from TuxMachines...	May 02 16:27
schestowitz_bed2	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/65444	May 02 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Reality of Chromebooks/OS – Not as limited as you think! \| Tux Machines		May 02 16:27
_Goblin	Funnily enough I get 10 hits from a bing search!	May 02 16:27
_Goblin	Can you record a Google Hangout?	May 02 16:28
schestowitz_bed2	I can try	May 02 16:29
schestowitz_bed2	Can you record there, I never used it before and I probably need to sign up for something	May 02 16:29
schestowitz_bed2	So that i can hang out with Clapper and Alexander	May 02 16:29
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_Goblin	I don't think you can.......	May 02 16:33
_Goblin	Ill check the play store, see if I can use tablet/phone for mumble or similar.	May 02 16:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The development of SlideViewer – a QML based	May 02 17:01
TweetTuxMachines	presentation program http://t.co/GC2UDGzImY	May 02 17:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8lkx	May 02 17:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Reality of Chromebooks/OS – Not as limited	May 02 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The development of SlideViewer – a QML based presentation program \| Tux Machines		May 02 17:01
TweetTuxMachines	as you think! http://t.co/DHitd1JYFd	May 02 17:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8lky	May 02 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Reality of Chromebooks/OS – Not as limited as you think! \| Tux Machines		May 02 17:01
Sosumi	why not just put it in the freezer and run it from there?	May 02 17:37
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_Goblin	I should have given ChromeOS a proper go when I first got it....this is really quite good.	May 02 18:49
_Goblin	schestowitz__: How was your film the other night?	May 02 19:01
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schestowitz__	recommended	May 02 19:07
Sosumi	which film?	May 02 19:08
_Goblin	some superhero thing in 3d I think	May 02 19:11
Sosumi	Jobs?	May 02 19:12
Sosumi	:P	May 02 19:12
_Goblin	Captain America (I think)	May 02 19:12
_Goblin	I was watching far better things at the time...	May 02 19:13
_Goblin	the conference playoffs.... Halifax v Cambridge	May 02 19:13
Sosumi	I just read	May 02 19:14
Sosumi	books are the best	May 02 19:14
Sosumi	even when the content is crap, you can always use their pages to clean your nose or your rear	May 02 19:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Navy asks Raytheon to upgrade unmanned	May 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	helicopter control system with Linux software	May 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	and more intuitive controls	May 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uWFzkfxUvp	May 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mjj	May 02 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Navy asks Raytheon to upgrade unmanned helicopter control system with Linux software and more intuitive controls \| Tux Machines		May 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/txKO8ua7qS	May 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mjk	May 02 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		May 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/wVl0ieWlTy	May 02 19:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		May 02 19:15
_Goblin	Sosumi: I agree. I much prefer reading.....I watch very few films	May 02 19:16
_Goblin	although, I don't think I'd wipe my bottom with a book, no matter how bad it was.	May 02 19:17
Sosumi	:)	May 02 19:18
Sosumi	not even Hillary Clinton's Biography?	May 02 19:18
Sosumi	I saw a ton of those at local dumpster on last december	May 02 19:19
Sosumi	and I really mean a ton	May 02 19:19
_Goblin	Nah....you'd end up wiping more on than you would off	May 02 19:21
Sosumi	:>	May 02 19:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam For Linux Last Month Showed A Slight Rise	May 02 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	In Usage http://t.co/sJP0zWA4Vv	May 02 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mte	May 02 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Firefox 29 Lands in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	May 02 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	and All Other Supported Ubuntu Distros	May 02 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9hfeNWuAyr	May 02 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mtf	May 02 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No, ARM Didn't Open-Source Their Full Mali	May 02 19:49
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Driver http://t.co/t5aUpUMLHB	May 02 19:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mtg	May 02 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Steam For Linux Last Month Showed A Slight Rise In Usage \| Tux Machines		May 02 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mozilla Firefox 29 Lands in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and All Other Supported Ubuntu Distros \| Tux Machines		May 02 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| No, ARM Didn't Open-Source Their Full Mali Linux Driver \| Tux Machines		May 02 19:49
msb_	I have Firefox 29.0 and it shows the page title in the window "handle" -- the colored bar at the top of the window. Isn't that where it always was?	May 02 20:21
msb_	_Goblin: is there room in your computer to fasten another fan on top of the dead one, with duct tape, glue, pieces of wire thru holes, etc?	May 02 20:23
_Goblin	no, I have a scaffolding type system in there, there is very little space to even get my hand in..	May 02 20:24
_Goblin	I suppose I could take the case off and blast it with a large fan	May 02 20:25
_Goblin	Ive ordered a custom rig (osless) which I'm hoping will last a good few years....	May 02 20:27
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sebsebseb	hi	May 02 20:41
msb_	Sosumi: Jibbler2: I have Firefox 29.0 and it shows the page title in the window "handle" -- the colored bar at the top of the window. Isn't that where it always was?	May 02 20:41
Sosumi	the gui feels redundant and that little customization bottom not only reminds me of ribbon but is also totally unecessary	May 02 20:44
Sosumi	just a bloat	May 02 20:44
Sosumi	the old interface was perfect	May 02 20:44
Sosumi	the only version of which saw an improvement was the OSX version	May 02 20:45
Sosumi	but even that only could dispense the redundant bottom for the customization thing	May 02 20:45
Sosumi	when everything is on the upper drop down menus already	May 02 20:46
Sosumi	https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/462314986766073857	May 02 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RT_com: #Odessa violence video: Brutal clashes rage in #Ukraine's southern port-city http://t.co/X3jrDBuWz1		May 02 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Odessa violence video: Brutal clashes erupt in Ukraine's southern port-city - YouTube		May 02 20:47
Sosumi	civil war now in ukraine	May 02 20:48
Sosumi	courtesy of the USA, UK and EU	May 02 20:48
Sosumi	freedom & democracy cough not cough	May 02 20:49
_Goblin	Never liked Firefox......although I am missing thunderbird a little...	May 02 20:49
msb_	Sosumi: I'm not seeing anything on the bottom. Immediately below the bottom of the page is the bottom window border. I know I have the new 29.0 version because Help/About says so, and the curly arrow at the right of the url bar turns to an "x" when I refresh instead of a red circle.	May 02 20:50
Sosumi	wait	May 02 20:50
Sosumi	I mean button	May 02 20:50
Sosumi	to right corner	May 02 20:51
Sosumi	*top	May 02 20:51
Sosumi	right next to the "home button"	May 02 20:51
msb_	Sosumi: To the left of my home button is a downward-point green arrow showing file transfer progress, and to the right is a star and a rectangle with lines in it dealing with bookmarks.	May 02 20:55
Sosumi	you don't have way further to the right with just 3 lines	May 02 20:56
Sosumi	*one	May 02 20:57
Sosumi	which when clicked drops down a menu with some icons and the possibility to customize the browser's icons	May 02 20:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4023424	May 02 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Off target: Dvorak forgets the use cases of tablets (where laptops impractical) http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2457318,00.asp #gnu #linux growing there		May 02 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcmag.com \| The Tablet Dead End Is Dead Ahead \| John C. Dvorak \| PCMag.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8lxy ]		May 02 20:58
schestowitz__	""nice" ok :-) I use my cellphone or my Ultrabook...never missed a Tablet although I tried often :-)"	May 02 20:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4023467	May 02 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Yahoo says it knows best as it drops support for Do Not Track http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2342880/yahoo-says-it-knows-best-as-it-drops-support-for-do-not-track #prism #nsa #boycott #yahoo		May 02 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Yahoo says it knows best as it drops support for Do Not Track- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/h8mzy ]		May 02 20:58
schestowitz__	"Whether you want it or not."	May 02 20:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4021157	May 02 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: moon jelly swarm... ![moon jelly swarm...](http://24.media.tumblr.com/2cbc311d5ae823d39356dbe031f7b067/tumblr_n2hszu9LUg1rl52wjo2_400.gif) ![moon jelly swarm...](http://24.media.tumblr.com/c5da994be1a0ee27a1915c81e436277a/tumblr_n2hszu9LUg1rl52wjo4_400.gif) #moonjellyfish #jellyfish #swarm #sealife #2009 #animatedgif		May 02 20:58
schestowitz__	"Ok, that was weird. Watch these and listen to this: http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/989875/explode "	May 02 20:59
msb_	Sosumi: Yep, that I got. I couldn't see its tooltip because I use a large cursor arrow.	May 02 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jamendo.com \| Explode by Kellee Maize - Royalty Free Music - Jamendo [ http://ur1.ca/h8n8h ]		May 02 20:59
Sosumi	the computer version of "fat fingers"	May 02 20:59
msb_	The computer version of big screen/weak eyes.	May 02 21:00
Sosumi	:)	May 02 21:00
msb_	Usually not a problem, but sometimes I have to use kmag to see tiny fonts.	May 02 21:01
msb_	But what's the business about not seeing page titles in Firefox?	May 02 21:03
Sosumi	not my business	May 02 21:05
Sosumi	unless you use windows 8 with a dark theme	May 02 21:05
Sosumi	then you wont be able to read the unselected tabs	May 02 21:06
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Sosumi	as for osx it all appears in grey as it should	May 02 21:06
Sosumi	on fedora I have no idea since the update hasn't been put on the repo yet	May 02 21:06
Sosumi	and that will be fedora with kde for me	May 02 21:07
msb_	Good! Serves people right for using Windows. They deserve to suffer!	May 02 21:07
Sosumi	so it'll look the same as it looks on osx	May 02 21:08
msb_	My tabs are light grey and I can see the titles fine. I have no idea what theme I'm using, since I have both KDE3 and 4 option setter apps.	May 02 21:09
Sosumi	but on the windows version, the top bar takes the color gradient of the image you're using on the background	May 02 21:10
Sosumi	so, for everyone using dark images	May 02 21:10
msb_	The window handle has the same color as the desktop background, making it invisible?	May 02 21:10
Sosumi	you're out of luck mate	May 02 21:10
Sosumi	if the image is too dark	May 02 21:11
msb_	Maybe MS will fix that in the next version they force users to buy!	May 02 21:11
msb_	Evil is stupid!	May 02 21:12
Sosumi	since the unselected tabs aren't highlighted	May 02 21:12
Sosumi	it was a bad design decision by mozzila	May 02 21:12
Sosumi	just that	May 02 21:12
Sosumi	or maybe some trolling from their part	May 02 21:12
Sosumi	in honor of the old days when m$ integrated IE on windows 95	May 02 21:13
msb_	Anything that messes up MS-Windows gets my approval!	May 02 21:13
msb_	Wow, look at these Ukrainian Nazis carrying almost-swastika flags! http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2014/05/01/imf-confirms-17bn-loan-to-ukraine-with-conditions-that-will-devastate-the-economy/	May 02 21:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scriptonitedaily.com \| IMF Confirms $17bn Loan to Ukraine with Conditions That Will Devastate the Economy \| Scriptonite Daily [ http://ur1.ca/h8ise ]		May 02 21:16
Sosumi	in syria and Libya al-quaeda and demagogues exiled in the city of london are the good guys, no matter what	May 02 21:17
Sosumi	in ukraine total sell out demagogues are the good guys	May 02 21:19
Sosumi	and even the ppl who just want regional autonomy	May 02 21:19
Sosumi	as in a federation	May 02 21:19
Sosumi	as pro-russian rebels	May 02 21:19
Sosumi	the bad guys	May 02 21:19
msb_	Yep. We have always been at war with Eastasia." The Ministry of Truth	May 02 21:20
Sosumi	courtesy of Cartoon News Network, British Broadcasting Censorship, Frenchie 24, etc	May 02 21:20
msb_	Al-qaeda are now our allies, even though we murdered two million people in order to fight them.	May 02 21:22
msb_	And they didn't do the 9/11 attacks anyhow.	May 02 21:23
msb_	History changes so fast you could get whiplash.	May 02 21:23
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4023424	May 02 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Off target: Dvorak forgets the use cases of tablets (where laptops impractical) http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2457318,00.asp #gnu #linux growing there		May 02 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcmag.com \| The Tablet Dead End Is Dead Ahead \| John C. Dvorak \| PCMag.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8lxy ]		May 02 21:25
schestowitz__	"Still haven't bought one or even tried one in earnest."	May 02 21:25
msb_	Pi is 3.15 today, up another tenth in intense trading.	May 02 21:25
msb_	Best tablet use case: stomp down on one side of it and it makes a great doorstop!	May 02 21:30
Sosumi	a garçon at a bar could use a tablet to deliver drinks	May 02 21:32
msb_	Great movie about Russians fighting an alien invasion like they fought off the Nazis: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1093357/combined	May 02 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| The Darkest Hour (2011/I) [ http://ur1.ca/h8nff ]		May 02 21:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XBMC 13.0 Gotham – Release Candidate 1	May 02 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rwG83S5BaM	May 02 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8nga	May 02 21:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| XBMC 13.0 Gotham – Release Candidate 1 \| Tux Machines		May 02 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NixOS 14.04 Is a Unique Operating System That	May 02 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	Uses KDE 4.2 http://t.co/hHbbgM1BRH	May 02 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8ngb	May 02 21:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NixOS 14.04 Is a Unique Operating System That Uses KDE 4.2 \| Tux Machines		May 02 21:39
Sosumi	gn	May 02 21:42
msb_	I think that NixOS headline should read KDE4.12, as in the text. KDE4.2 was godawful.	May 02 21:45
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cubezzz	http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08417	May 03 01:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement http://t.co/5ZgZliieuw	May 03 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8qku	May 03 06:00
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Sosumi	and just got the firefox for fedora with kde	May 03 07:29
Sosumi	and it looks exactly the same as the osx version	May 03 07:30
Sosumi	gray gradient with transparency nor any fancies	May 03 07:30
Sosumi	and indeed it seems that the windows users are the ones at a loss	May 03 07:31
Sosumi	dark theme and they wont be able to read what's on the tabs	May 03 07:31
Sosumi	a about the awfulness of kde	May 03 07:32
Sosumi	well as of version 4.12 it became way too verbose	May 03 07:33
Sosumi	always showing notifications for everything	May 03 07:33
Sosumi	by default	May 03 07:33
cubezzz	every new version of KDE seems to create a new schism	May 03 07:35
Sosumi	<Sosumi> gray gradient with NO transparency nor any fancies	May 03 07:37
Sosumi	forgot the no	May 03 07:37
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/phoenix-0.1.png	May 03 07:41
cubezzz	phoenix -> firebird -> firefox (icecat)	May 03 07:42
Sosumi	and M$ has finally issued a patch for the IE 0 day thing	May 03 07:45
Sosumi	how long did it took? 5 to 6 days?	May 03 07:45
cubezzz	going backwards firefox -> firebird -> phoenix -> netscape -> mosaic	May 03 07:45
Sosumi	I've always used either firefox or safari	May 03 07:46
cubezzz	firefox hasn't really been around that long	May 03 07:46
Sosumi	it saw its initial release in 2002	May 03 07:48
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4023467	May 03 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Yahoo says it knows best as it drops support for Do Not Track http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2342880/yahoo-says-it-knows-best-as-it-drops-support-for-do-not-track #prism #nsa #boycott #yahoo		May 03 07:49
schestowitz_bed2	"	May 03 07:49
schestowitz_bed2	And the problem is with those inferences. In my very first methods class-it's this basic--the professor warned us against 'data mining', that you could far too easily find spurious correlations.	May 03 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Yahoo says it knows best as it drops support for Do Not Track- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/h8mzy ]		May 03 07:49
schestowitz_bed2	With a paranoid police state, spying its own people, and therefore already distrustful of those people, those spurious correlations are a very dangerous thing.	May 03 07:49
schestowitz_bed2	"	May 03 07:49
schestowitz_bed2	"I've read that "do not track" was worthless anyway. Depending on the sites you visit to not track you simply because of a flag sounds silly."	May 03 07:49
schestowitz_bed2	"'Do not track' depends upon the sleaziest people in our society, the very people who think spam is not only a first amendment right, but a right by virtue of a capitalist system, to behave themselves."	May 03 07:49
schestowitz_bed2	"I think it could have value... imagine if web browsers recorded which sites proceeded to place ad cookies despite DNT being checked... bam! Instant list of spam sites."	May 03 07:49
schestowitz_bed2	At least Yahoo is honest about not obeying it	May 03 07:50
cubezzz	it's interesting that statcounter, w3counter, wikimedia all say google chrome is the most used browser	May 03 07:50
cubezzz	but then you have NetApplications which say IE is the most used browser	May 03 07:51
cubezzz	something fishy there	May 03 07:52
Sosumi	arstechnica also always shows IE as the dominant browser	May 03 07:52
Sosumi	now if the numbers are cooked or not, no idea	May 03 07:52
cubezzz	most people I know use firefox or chrome	May 03 07:54
cubezzz	also net applications admitted their stats are skewed	May 03 07:56
cubezzz	if it was from work, well... that's one thing	May 03 07:58
cubezzz	from home would be a lot different	May 03 07:59
cubezzz	it's like when businesses talk about Unix it's AIX, HP-UX, and Solaris	May 03 08:01
cubezzz	the BSDs and Linux aren't mentioned	May 03 08:01
schestowitz_bed2	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/01/vladimir-putin-ukraine-troops-withdrawal-angela-merkel	May 03 08:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Ukrainian troops launch Slavyansk assault, reports say \| World news \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8rlu ]		May 03 08:07
schestowitz_bed2	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/01/ukraine-military-conscription-pro-russia-separatists-donetsk	May 03 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Ukraine reintroduces conscription to counter threat of pro-Russia separatists \| World news \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8rlx ]		May 03 08:07
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_e3b284bc2c9118a191c6.jpg	May 03 08:13
schestowitz_bed2	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute	May 03 08:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Roman salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h8rqp ]		May 03 08:32
schestowitz_bed2	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_American_flag_with_the_Bellamy_salute.jpg	May 03 08:32
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cubezzz	back in 2006 Sun was mailing out free Solaris 10 DVDs	May 03 08:35
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/462495347869495296	May 03 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz tempting to see if I can find Hitler youth doing that same thing on Google......probably can.		May 03 08:36
cubezzz	not sure if you got source code for everything with that one	May 03 08:36
cubezzz	there was 2 dvds in each package	May 03 08:38
cubezzz	one for Sparc, one for x86	May 03 08:38
cubezzz	except now old Sun folks say to use Nexenta, Schillix and Belenix	May 03 08:44
cubezzz	I'm not really up on the latest stuff	May 03 08:45
cubezzz	maybe open solaris is dead?	May 03 08:47
cubezzz	back in 2008 Toshiba and Sun announced plans to distribute Toshiba laptops with pre-installed OpenSolaris	May 03 08:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New OpenMandriva, Updated KDE, and Ubuntu EOL	May 03 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EdM1hm2wja	May 03 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8rya	May 03 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Entangle Photo App Has Out A New Release	May 03 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rpDHz3M9hr	May 03 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8ryb	May 03 09:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google, Intel to make Chromebook announcement	May 03 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	on May 6 http://t.co/F96SAj8pmf	May 03 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8s00	May 03 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google, Intel to make Chromebook announcement on May 6 \| Tux Machines		May 03 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Ubuntu Unity Launcher gets a facelift with	May 03 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	Unity Drawers http://t.co/BG6SpOFZop	May 03 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8s01	May 03 09:16
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DaemonFC	cubelog, Oracle closed Solaris back up as much as they could.	May 03 09:48
DaemonFC	err cubezzz	May 03 09:48
cubezzz	yeah I figured	May 03 09:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4025678	May 03 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gander22h@diasp.org: ## 9 Powerful Things Powered By Linux! ![Sub](http://www.efytimes.com/admin/useradmin/photo/ntiZ11819PM1182013.png) * [Bullet trains, New York Stock Exchange, Nuclear Submarine and more, here's a list of 9 powerful technologies powered by Linux!](http://efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=120870) #Linux		May 03 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> efytimes.com \| 9 Powerful Things Powered By Linux! [ http://ur1.ca/h8s70 ]		May 03 09:52
schestowitz	many of these things also run GNU, but Linux, as usual, gets all th credit	May 03 09:52
cubezzz	look at what uses gcc	May 03 09:57
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DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/microsofts-decision-to-patch-windows-xp-is-a-mistake/	May 03 10:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Microsoft’s decision to patch Windows XP is a mistake \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h8sce ]		May 03 10:26
DaemonFC	Microsoft is now patching Windows XP again. LOL	May 03 10:26
DaemonFC	http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/02/windows-xp-declines-to-die-sheds-mere-1-5-market-share-in-april/	May 03 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| Windows XP Declines To Die, Sheds Mere 1.5% Market Share In April \| TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/h8sdo ]		May 03 10:33
DaemonFC	People aren't even taking the end of support seriously.	May 03 10:33
cubezzz	The Big M has to herd everyone to win 8 :)	May 03 10:55
cubezzz	actually I think Linux will pick up some of the slack	May 03 10:56
cubezzz	people with a 2nd or even 3rd computer will run some Linux or BSD distro	May 03 10:57
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roy	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027618 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027622 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027628 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027631	May 03 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Where Was Anal Rape Approved in the OLC Memos? http://www.emptywheel.net/2014/04/26/where-was-anal-rape-approved-in-the-olc-memos/ #cia #rape #torture		May 03 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.emptywheel.net \| Where Was Anal Rape Approved in the OLC Memos? \| emptywheel [ http://ur1.ca/h80lf ]		May 03 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: “we have a secret police force and I think that surprises people in a democracy such as California’s.” http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/State-Law-Hides-Investigations-of-Police-Misconduct-from-Public-Scrutiny-257080571.html		May 03 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.nbcbayarea.com \| State Law Hides Investigations of Police Misconduct from Public Scrutiny \| NBC Bay Area [ http://ur1.ca/h7rhq ]		May 03 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Sabry died from an accidental fall from the balcony" http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/egyptian-blogger-bassem-sabry-dies/2014/04/30/ed1f225e-d04e-11e3-a714-be7e7f142085_story.html		May 03 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtonpost.com \| Egyptian blogger Bassem Sabry dies - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0f ]		May 03 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #assange should be careful not to fall down the stairs or be forced out by fire alarm http://www.emptywheel.net/2014/04/26/doj-continues-its-multi-subject-investigation-of-wikileaks/		May 03 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.emptywheel.net \| DOJ Continues Its “Multi-Subject” Investigation of WikiLeaks \| emptywheel [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0g ]		May 03 12:17
roy	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027633 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027638 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027643 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027647	May 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "shut down websites without a court order and collect Web browsing data on individuals" http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626304579505912518706936?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304626304579505912518706936.html like in #us and #uk		May 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> online.wsj.com \| Turkey's Erdogan: One of the World's Most Determined Internet Censors - WSJ.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8jj1 ]		May 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OK, not #Murdoch (WSJ). What does Wall Street's #Bloomberg say? http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-05-01/russia-moves-toward-china-style-internet-censorship #hypocrisy due to #nsa		May 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessweek.com \| Russia Moves Toward China-Style Internet Censorship - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0o ]		May 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Censorship to political pulls, is Indian media in crisis? http://www.hindustantimes.com/elections2014/election2014-placeholder/censorship-to-political-pulls-is-indian-media-in-crisis/article1-1215001.aspx one of the world's worst censors. #india		May 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.hindustantimes.com \| Censorship to political pulls, is Indian media in crisis? - Hindustan Times [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0p ]		May 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Self-censorship and #censorship in #china still unprecedented http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2014/05/03/2003589443 http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/arrests-censorship-and-propaganda-chinas-tiananmen-anniversary-dance/ http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/05/03/the-price-of-press-censorship-in-china/		May 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.taipeitimes.com \| Self-censorship limits media: survey - Taipei Times [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0r ]		May 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thediplomat.com \| Arrests, Censorship and Propaganda: China’s Tiananmen Anniversary Dance \| The Diplomat [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0s ]		May 03 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> globalvoicesonline.org \| The Price of Press Censorship in China · Global Voices [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0t ]		May 03 12:18
roy	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027654 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027665 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027669 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027679	May 03 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Back doors as a weapon http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/index.php/en/features/global-eye/31473-digital-arms-makers-build-nsa-arsenal-from-cyber-flaws #nsa #droNSA #war #surveillance		May 03 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessmirror.com.ph \| BusinessMirror - Digital arms makers build NSA arsenal from cyber flaws [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0x ]		May 03 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #drones achieve #blowback http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/yemen/al-qaida-threatens-to-hit-back-over-yemen-drone-strikes-1.1327501 http://www.gulf-times.com/region/216/details/390647/yemen-qaeda-warns-of-reprisal-over-drone-war and only #cia linked mercenaries profit from it		May 03 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gulfnews.com \| Al Qaida threatens to hit back over Yemen drone strikes \| GulfNews.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0z ]		May 03 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gulf-times.com \| Yemen Qaeda warns of reprisal over drone war [ http://ur1.ca/h8t10 ]		May 03 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Anti-drone events in Central New York http://www.workers.org/articles/2014/05/02/anti-drone-events-central-new-york/ "war crimes", but Obama says it's not "war"		May 03 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.workers.org \| Anti-drone events in Central New York » Anti-war » In the U.S. » Top » Workers World [ http://ur1.ca/h8t11 ]		May 03 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK telecoms infrastructure used to support controversial US #drone operations http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240219969/UK-telecoms-infrastructure-used-to-support-controversial-US-drone-operations reduces national security in #uk		May 03 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerweekly.com \| UK telecoms infrastructure used to support controversial US drone operations [ http://ur1.ca/h8t13 ]		May 03 12:19
roy	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/462543532814000129	May 03 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @ralphholz @schestowitz Germany needs to grow a set and tell USA where to go.		May 03 12:22
roy	THey think that the NSA helps them. That's a poor NATO 'ally' notion.	May 03 12:23
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Guest43606	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027697 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027779 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027784 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027798	May 03 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Botched executions show there’s no such thing as humane capital punishment http://theconversation.com/botched-executions-show-theres-no-such-thing-as-humane-capital-punishment-26248 #deathpenalty		May 03 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theconversation.com \| Botched executions show there's no such thing as humane capital punishment [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9a ]		May 03 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Torygraph helps US State Department #propaganda by spinning the term "terrorist" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10801975/Global-deaths-from-terrorism-rise-by-60-per-cent.html Kerry, who arms Syrian terrorists?		May 03 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.telegraph.co.uk \| Global deaths from terrorism 'rise by 60 per cent' - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9c ]		May 03 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #cia has #torture chambers in #africa too http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/2/djibouti-senate-cia.html		May 03 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> america.aljazeera.com \| Senate report set to reveal Djibouti as CIA ‘black site’ \| Al Jazeera America [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9d ]		May 03 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 30 Retired Generals Urge Obama To Declassify The CIA Torture Report http://www.businessinsider.com/generals-declassify-cia-torture-2014-5#!HCdE8 #torture #cia #humanrights		May 03 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessinsider.com \| Retired Generals: Declassify The Report On CIA Torture - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9e ]		May 03 12:54
Guest43606	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027850 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027893 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027906	May 03 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #CIAPost covers #torture by #cia http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fine-print-us-cant-seem-to-shake-the-water-cure-as-a-method-of-interrogation/2014/05/01/8c08cfaa-cef6-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html?tid=hpModule_308f7142-9199-11e2-bdea-e32ad90da239		May 03 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtonpost.com \| Fine Print: U.S. can’t seem to shake the ‘water cure’ as a method of interrogation - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9j ]		May 03 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nat Hentoff: Lifting secrecy a matter of time http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20140503/OPINION02/305030004/Nat-Hentoff-Lifting-secrecy-matter-time #secrecy however erodes trust and legitimacy		May 03 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.battlecreekenquirer.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9k ]		May 03 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #cia agents "helped choose high value targets for Tomahawk cruise missile strikes in Iraq" http://groundreport.com/former-cia-spy-andre-le-gallo-recounts-his-time-in-iran-in-1978-79/		May 03 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> groundreport.com \| Former CIA spy Andre Le Gallo recounts his time in Iran in 1978-79 \| Lifestyle, Literature \| GroundReport.com – Latest World News & Opinions [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9l ]		May 03 12:55
Guest43606	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/462564611959828480	May 03 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz #octocat		May 03 13:15
Guest43606	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/462573502890266624	May 03 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @ralphholz Yeh like the NSA helps the American people or the #GCHQ. Helps to sell them into slavery rather.		May 03 13:47
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msb_	MinceR: hasn't posted here for about 3.5 days. Anyone know what's up with him?	May 03 15:07
msb_	Ah, Whois request says " [Away] MinceR is away: extended away: on holiday"	May 03 15:11
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roy	http://24.media.tumblr.com/663d70b08344f0841e191ad3520c08b4/tumblr_n4vor7gGpp1qcsoyvo1_1280.jpg	May 03 16:57
roy	msb_: I didn't notice	May 03 16:58
msb_	roy: He usually opposes me about socialism. 8^)	May 03 16:59
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roy	https://twitter.com/MrZauruz/status/462550399749459968	May 03 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MrZauruz: @ANOWRT Russia has managed to incrementally improve national economy and living standards.. nothing wrong with that... the West has 'issues'		May 03 17:15
roy	https://twitter.com/MrZauruz/status/462544936752394240	May 03 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MrZauruz: @ANOWRT Western establishment didn't dismantle MIC structures after the Cold War but instead retained them. https://t.co/XydfboEXeO #reliant		May 03 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org \| Inverted totalitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		May 03 17:15
roy	https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/462514223650971648	May 03 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RT_com: West's cynical reaction to #Odessa tragedy bewilders, arouses resentment - Putin's spokesperson http://t.co/YcXK4wX8E2 #Ukraine		May 03 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> rt.com \| Moscow: Kiev and western sponsors directly responsible for bloodshed in E.Ukraine — RT News		May 03 17:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Week in Techrights http://t.co/bgj1sCzQty	May 03 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8vk1	May 03 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/6U1ePawWtS	May 03 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8vk2	May 03 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Week in Techrights \| Tux Machines		May 03 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		May 03 17:54
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4025679	May 03 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com reshared: ## 9 Powerful Things Powered By Linux! ![Sub](http://www.efytimes.com/admin/useradmin/photo/ntiZ11819PM1182013.png) * [Bullet trains, New York Stock Exchange, Nuclear Submarine and more, here's a list of 9 powerful technologies powered by Linux!](http://efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=120870) #Linux		May 03 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> efytimes.com \| 9 Powerful Things Powered By Linux! [ http://ur1.ca/h8s70 ]		May 03 18:27
schestowitz__	"Oh yeah, #gnulinux "	May 03 18:28
XFaCE	schestowitz__: Derek Khanna is a pretty cool guy	May 03 18:40
XFaCE	"Don't just attack the patent trolls, fix the system"	May 03 18:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Games http://t.co/E4ZfOL1QmJ	May 03 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8w0n	May 03 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 8 Things We Expect from the Rumored Google	May 03 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	Nexus 8 http://t.co/q0ZaEqBV0i	May 03 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8w0o	May 03 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DisplayPort Multi-Stream Transport Starts	May 03 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Games \| Tux Machines		May 03 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	Working On Linux http://t.co/Y9bqYRnHg6	May 03 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8w0p	May 03 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 8 Things We Expect from the Rumored Google Nexus 8 \| Tux Machines		May 03 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| DisplayPort Multi-Stream Transport Starts Working On Linux \| Tux Machines		May 03 19:18
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_Goblin	Quiet night...	May 03 21:04
msb_	http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/Cricketb.mp3	May 03 21:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Warsow 1.5 released http://t.co/HqA2TM0PcB	May 03 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8wnw	May 03 21:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Warsow 1.5 released \| Tux Machines		May 03 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Possible Features To Find In OpenGL 5.0	May 03 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uIAspTmHE9	May 03 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8wnx	May 03 21:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Possible Features To Find In OpenGL 5.0 \| Tux Machines		May 03 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mir 0.2.0 Under Development For Ubuntu 14.10	May 03 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EoKqyjra3E	May 03 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8wny	May 03 21:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mir 0.2.0 Under Development For Ubuntu 14.10 \| Tux Machines		May 03 21:30
msb_	http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/crickets.mp3	May 03 21:33
msb_	http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/62---Night-Atmosphere---Crickets,-Frogs,-Ducks.mp3	May 03 21:34
DaemonFC	http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/771738-linux-video-of-the-week-linux-sucks-but-actually-its-awesome	May 03 21:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Linux Video of the Week: Linux Sucks (But Actually It's Awesome) \| Linux.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8wqy ]		May 03 21:46
DaemonFC	I don't think that Mir is going to actually break anything.	May 03 21:47
DaemonFC	Having software that's exclusive to one distribution tends to mostly hurt users of that distribution.	May 03 21:48
DaemonFC	They're not benefiting from other distributions using the software and fixing bugs and adding features.	May 03 21:49
DaemonFC	Ubuntu's go it alone approach is probably why it has taken a few years for Unity to start to settle down and become something usable.	May 03 21:50
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_Goblin	I've alot of love for Ubuntu....it introduced my family to Linux.	May 03 22:23
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DaemonFC	I bought an entire shelf full of Yuban coffee while I was at the store. It went on sale for $4.99 and they all had $1 off peelies on them. So, $3.99. They're usually like $10 each.	May 03 23:43
DaemonFC	So, I think I have about two years worth of coffee now. :P	May 03 23:43
DaemonFC	There's nothing wrong with taking 4-5 peelies if you intend to buy 4-5 items that day. But, a lot of people take the peelies and just take them home or sell them on ebay. Pisses me off...	May 03 23:47
_Goblin	sounds like you got a peely good deal.........	May 03 23:54
_Goblin	im sorry.....cheap I know....	May 03 23:54
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cubezzz	good	Apr 27 00:40
cubezzz	that will drive more folks off windows	Apr 27 00:40
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Sosumi	http://www.voltairenet.org/article183486.html	Apr 27 03:17
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schestowitz__	Sosumi: sounds like bullshit	Apr 27 03:49
schestowitz__	I've just started reading some bits	Apr 27 03:49
Sosumi	it was just another view	Apr 27 03:50
schestowitz__	RT cited and some of the silly theories that the US had something to do with it	Apr 27 03:50
schestowitz__	Boeing messed up	Apr 27 03:50
schestowitz__	And they don't even know where	Apr 27 03:50
schestowitz__	Using the incident to interject some disdain for something in the west	Apr 27 03:51
Sosumi	others are saying that someone did it in order to get their hands on the freescale engineers that were on board of that plane	Apr 27 03:51
Sosumi	because of the renessas chip	Apr 27 03:52
Sosumi	as for me, I'm not familiar with airplane control and I've haven't yet had the time to look into it	Apr 27 03:52
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schestowitz	[11:01] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460350719925960704	Apr 27 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz Might help Russia to weed out comments by NSA.		Apr 27 06:03
schestowitz	[11:01] <schestowitz> well, that's anothr problem, government astroturfing	Apr 27 06:03
schestowitz	[11:02] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/sumLucifer/status/460348947404320768	Apr 27 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sumLucifer: @schestowitz @Nildam85 Campus activism should start with learning civics and history. NSA scoops up everything, always has. duh... 'Merka!		Apr 27 06:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460348669040926720	Apr 27 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz Good with power? Libya destroyed during her rein of terror		Apr 27 06:03
schestowitz	Exactly, that was the goal. They showed Libya who the boss was. Sendign signal to M-E.	Apr 27 06:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460343692566757377	Apr 27 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Canadian Government’s ‘Secure’ Phones Come Straight from the #NSA http://t.co/EvjzN5ZLIi so Canada is working for the US now		Apr 27 06:04
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460343459246002176	Apr 27 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz: "Police shouldn’t be able to search people’s emails without a warrant" http://t.co/5QFBIuCsRk not terrorism-related		Apr 27 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thehill.com \| Privacy backers looking for email protections \| TheHill		Apr 27 06:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460359609673596930	Apr 27 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz If she's elected I'm going to turn my back on America...		Apr 27 06:10
schestowitz	A whole continent?!	Apr 27 06:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460360706815442944	Apr 27 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz If US citizens continue to vote for rat bastards....then YES		Apr 27 06:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460361484858441728	Apr 27 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz sending the message to Iran that their next		Apr 27 06:39
schestowitz	They have them surrounded by US bases already. Soon in Syria too?	Apr 27 06:39
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swamyforpm/status/460366184865476608	Apr 27 06:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swamyforpm: @schestowitz @wikileaks U-turn https://t.co/BFMcgOoYO3 https://t.co/YhIXgQDd3E #WikiLeaks #YellowJournalism #YellowActivism		Apr 27 06:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: @Swamy39 Swamy provided political intelligence about election issues, but there's no evidence of being an agent. https://t.co/qgkWFzvAbl		Apr 27 06:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: #IndiaVotes2014: Best right wing perspective on @Swamy39 Indira Gandhi cable by @drankuag http://t.co/UAyKf0lwiM #india #WikiLeaks		Apr 27 06:40
schestowitz	http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1398579860310978.jpg	Apr 27 06:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460373873179910144	Apr 27 07:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz they gave up on Syria because of Russia now looks like they are targeting Ukraine instead		Apr 27 07:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft	Apr 27 07:17
TweetTuxMachines	cuts XP support http://t.co/W6c5BdzVnt	Apr 27 07:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h70bs	Apr 27 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft cuts XP support \| Tux Machines		Apr 27 07:17
MinceR	geekings	Apr 27 07:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460383209885532160	Apr 27 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz: Leon Panetta, former director of #cia : America's greatest threat is from within http://t.co/2fTb3xwr3n dissent as "terror"		Apr 27 07:44
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/460386061999697920	Apr 27 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz first hand I can say many other govts do respect law of nations and do NOT abuse their embassies the way the US does		Apr 27 08:02
schestowitz	Exceptionalism runs deep in the veins of some diplomats. "We meant well..."	Apr 27 08:02
Sosumi	of good intentions is hell filled	Apr 27 08:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/460389058309783552	Apr 27 08:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz the ends never justify the means...and too often the ends are horrific too		Apr 27 08:06
schestowitz	Not for the corporations, they klnow what's good for them	Apr 27 08:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460390381176520704	Apr 27 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: Causing a #Commotion MT @schestowitz: #usaid used 'social' network to destablise gov't. Could do same for anonymity. http://t.co/VtkG6hozLg		Apr 27 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thespec.com \| More Internet than the Internet		Apr 27 08:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/460390742956199936	Apr 27 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz a foreigner's opinion		Apr 27 08:45
schestowitz	No, check the polls. Only around 9% approval for Senate among US citizens.	Apr 27 08:46
schestowitz	http://www.taz.de/uploads/images/684x342/anwalt-assange.20110112-13.jpg	Apr 27 08:53
schestowitz	http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/interview/stallman-only-victims-of-tyranny-should-use-facebook-23600	Apr 27 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techweekeurope.co.uk \| Stallman: Only Victims Of Tyranny Should Use Facebook \| TechWeekEurope UK [ http://ur1.ca/h70s6 ]		Apr 27 08:55
schestowitz	"	Apr 27 08:56
schestowitz	Stallman supports WikiLeaks, despite accusations against Julian Assange: “Even if all the nasty things being said about Assange were true, I would still consider him a hero.”	Apr 27 08:56
schestowitz	He also said the “torture” of Bradley Manning, the soldier who allegedly supplied material to WikiLeaks, may be designed to implicate Assange and allow him to be extradited to the US.	Apr 27 08:56
schestowitz	He spoke against Facebook, saying in principle no one should use it because “abuse of personal information is Facebook’s business model”. However, since Facebook had a positive role in the Egyptian uprising, he would sanction its use “if you are living in a country with a tyrranical government.”	Apr 27 08:56
schestowitz	"	Apr 27 08:56
msb__	Sosumi: ?	Apr 27 09:03
schestowitz	stupid jheadline: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/julian-assange-punches-out-priest_n_5196551.html	Apr 27 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com \| Julian Assange Punches Out Priest On Easter Sunday [ http://ur1.ca/h70v5 ]		Apr 27 09:11
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/XkEME	Apr 27 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| Gun Questions: Round 9 ("Designed to kill?") - Imgur		Apr 27 09:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460407578317426689	Apr 27 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz How much should be the price of women's rights & the rule of law? #Assange should just be allowed to ignore assault complaints?		Apr 27 09:42
schestowitz	Assange is not besieged by British authorities because of women's rights but because of Wikileaks	Apr 27 09:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460410811589349376	Apr 27 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz she has to position herself, thus, if she's running		Apr 27 09:43
schestowitz	The threat to her is not GOP but "third party" candidates like Greens	Apr 27 09:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460410956603195393	Apr 27 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz I keep up with A LOT, following you. But even an #OptimisticPessimist sometimes needs a funny cat pic tweet from Snowden files		Apr 27 09:44
schestowitz	Sometimes I post cat pictures, but too much of it dilutes from important news :-)	Apr 27 09:45
schestowitz	I will post some "lighter" stuff for you	Apr 27 09:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gerge42/status/460413077373341696	Apr 27 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gerge42: @SandraEckersley @schestowitz U mean like Snowden ignores his extr.request? Snowden is free while JA is stuck in an embassy.		Apr 27 09:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/460413478457839616	Apr 27 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz disliking does not eliminate legitimacy, but there are no good guys on either side of the Bundy conflict		Apr 27 09:46
schestowitz	I don't like the pro-Bundy folks, but I think they're a symptom of true perception that money rules gov	Apr 27 09:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460415530437197824	Apr 27 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz agreed. Viz. Nader's run.		Apr 27 09:51
schestowitz	Nader has been thoroughly demonised. I think he'll find it hard now.	Apr 27 09:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417208905367552	Apr 27 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Yup. Cat pics mentioned at recent Sci for the People conf cc @samueljredman @limako @ColdWarScience @isaiah_thompson #SFtP14		Apr 27 09:57
schestowitz	http://t.co/CPY648LzEr	Apr 27 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-friendsofiris.wordpress.com \| #FriendsOfIRIS #Sustainability #YorkU \| Transparent \| Inclusive \| Accessible		Apr 27 09:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417422873604096	Apr 27 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Tnx! I need it to keep me positive as I deal with: http://t.co/CPY648LzEr		Apr 27 09:59
schestowitz	Knowing negatives doesn't need to keep one down. Not knowing the negatives should. Awareness leads to solutions.	Apr 27 10:00
schestowitz	The war on Net Neutrality (soft censorship) is a big negative but news sites everywhere cover it, so there's resistance. #sopa	Apr 27 10:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417829355810817	Apr 27 10:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Plus, isn't he really old? born February 27, 1934 (#Wikipedia)		Apr 27 10:01
schestowitz	I doubt he's that old. He looks 10 years younger.	Apr 27 10:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460418117009932288	Apr 27 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz OK, time to for me to stop #Faffing & get on with real work: grading final exams & finishing an annotated bibliography!		Apr 27 10:02
schestowitz	"Real world/work is indoctrination-imposed term that belittless what matters a lot, e.g. climate activism	Apr 27 10:03
msb__	The philosophy of Ayn Rand is the basis for much of libertarianism and conservatism. Here are some analyses of it -- interesting reading:	Apr 27 10:05
msb__	http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/23348-10-things-i-learned-about-the-world-from-ayn-rands-insane-atlas-shrugged	Apr 27 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readersupportednews.org \| 10 Things I Learned About the World from Ayn Rand's Insane 'Atlas Shrugged' [ http://ur1.ca/h715p ]		Apr 27 10:05
msb__	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/12/1119294/-Ryan-s-Hero-Ayn-Rand-Worshiped-A-Serial-Killing-Psychopath	Apr 27 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com \| Ryan's Hero, Ayn Rand, Worshiped A Serial Killing Psychopath! [ http://ur1.ca/h715x ]		Apr 27 10:06
msb__	http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/08/mark-ames-paul-ryans-guru-ayn-rand-worshipped-a-serial-killer-who-kidnapped-and-dismembered-little-girls.html	Apr 27 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com \| Mark Ames: Paul Ryan’s Guru Ayn Rand Worshipped a Serial Killer Who Kidnapped and Dismembered Little Girls \| naked capitalism [ http://ur1.ca/h7160 ]		Apr 27 10:07
schestowitz	http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif	Apr 27 10:13
schestowitz	msb__: heh	Apr 27 10:13
schestowitz	well, daily kos	Apr 27 10:13
schestowitz	dirt by association	Apr 27 10:14
MinceR	there's msb__'s favorite in the top left corner :>	Apr 27 10:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460421525292593152	Apr 27 10:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz LOL, try telling that to my students& publisher :) Anyhoo, they're all well versed in #ClimateChange science. #ProudProfessor		Apr 27 10:15
schestowitz	MinceR: LOL, not quite	Apr 27 10:15
schestowitz	he trusts Putin	Apr 27 10:15
schestowitz	Putin guards the oligarchs	Apr 27 10:15
schestowitz	so he's a Thatcherite perhaps	Apr 27 10:15
MinceR	you think he realizes that?	Apr 27 10:15
schestowitz	(Putin)	Apr 27 10:16
msb__	MinceR: top left corner of which page?	Apr 27 10:16
MinceR	161335 < schestowitz> http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif	Apr 27 10:16
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditMicrosoft favourited 'GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft...'		Apr 27 10:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scoop.it \| Baseboard morphs BeagleBone Black into 3.5-inch...		Apr 27 10:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460422541476388864	Apr 27 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz IMO Nader looks young 'cos he's so active/activist. It's like moisturizer! Likewise, David Schindler & @DavidSuzuki in Canada.		Apr 27 10:20
msb__	I don't totally trust Putin, but he's trying to prevent the US from controlling the entire world by its military force, which is a very good thing. And he hasn't invaded other nations and slaughtered millions of people.	Apr 27 10:20
schestowitz	msb__: : scroll up	Apr 27 10:20
schestowitz	I didn't know Suzuki was almost 78, but Japanese have long lifespan and appearance different	Apr 27 10:21
schestowitz	msb__: has Obama??	Apr 27 10:22
msb__	But MinceR says Stalin is "my favorite". MinceR keeps lying about me, and his lies are easily refuted simply by quoting my previous remarks.	Apr 27 10:22
schestowitz	Putin has not been ruling Russia/USSR for a century	Apr 27 10:22
schestowitz	Obama inherits the major wars from Bush	Apr 27 10:22
msb__	schestowitz: Obama destroyed Libya.	Apr 27 10:23
msb__	... because it was socialist.	Apr 27 10:23
MinceR	he's trying to prevent the US from controlling the entire world by controlling the entire world himself	Apr 27 10:23
msb__	MinceR: You're lying again. What part of the entire world is Putin trying to control, other than the Eastern part of Ukraine?	Apr 27 10:24
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MinceR	georgia, for example	Apr 27 10:25
msb__	...which does not want to be controlled by the Nazis that the US has inflicted on Ukraine.	Apr 27 10:25
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MinceR	also, you keep defending communist dictatorships but Stalin is not your favorite	Apr 27 10:25
MinceR	cool story, bro.	Apr 27 10:25
msb__	MinceR: Georgia in what way?	Apr 27 10:25
MinceR	in the way that they invaded it.	Apr 27 10:26
MinceR	and putin is probably eyeing the baltic states and hungary now	Apr 27 10:26
schestowitz	!google lawsuit gorbachev	Apr 27 10:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Russian MPs seek to sue Gorbachev over USSR collapse ... - RT.com \| http://rt.com/politics/gorbachev-ussr-collapse-lawsuit-568/	Apr 27 10:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Russian MPs seek to sue Gorbachev over USSR collapse ... - RT.com \| http://rt.com/politics/gorbachev-ussr-collapse-lawsuit-568/comments/	Apr 27 10:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Russian dissident who copied the Gorbachev Foundation's archive ... \| http://english.hotnews.ro/stiri-top_news-6209804-russian-dissident-who-copied-the-gorbachev-foundations-archive-mitterrand-and-gorbachev-wanted-the-european-socialist-union-thatcher-opposed-germanys-reunification.htm	Apr 27 10:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Novaya Gazeta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Gazeta	Apr 27 10:30
schestowitz	So we know what Russian MPs want	Apr 27 10:31
schestowitz	I have to agree with MinceR on this	Apr 27 10:31
msb__	MinceR: Looks like that was the result of a conflict between parts of Georgia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Georgia_war	Apr 27 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Russo-Georgian war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h71bp ]		Apr 27 10:31
schestowitz	US is on the brink of debt-induced collapse	Apr 27 10:31
schestowitz	It almost went bust in Gaegan era	Apr 27 10:31
schestowitz	And Russia must be feelign like now is the time to make a move	Apr 27 10:32
MinceR	yeah, putin is good at making it look like they're merely helping russians out in internal conflicts	Apr 27 10:32
schestowitz	US alienated many allies	Apr 27 10:32
schestowitz	including many in Europe, not to mention east Asia, S America...	Apr 27 10:32
schestowitz	msb__: Russia invaded Georgia when US and UK invaded Iraq	Apr 27 10:33
MinceR	hitler was also good at this	Apr 27 10:33
schestowitz	They used it as (partly) an excuse	Apr 27 10:33
schestowitz	Israel did the same in Gaza	Apr 27 10:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460426133805477888	Apr 27 10:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @DavidSuzuki David Schindler b. 1940. I'm also inspired by lots of vibrant 70 & 80 yr old women!		Apr 27 10:34
msb__	Russia was helping South Ossetia repel attacks by Georgia.	Apr 27 10:34
MinceR	except south ossetia was a part of georgia	Apr 27 10:35
schestowitz	Appearance is not always indicative of health. 'Surgeries' help prove this. Longevity with AD not nice, either.	Apr 27 10:35
MinceR	but don't let the facts in the way of your communist dictatorship propaganda.	Apr 27 10:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/460426848539639808	Apr 27 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Canada has been a US property at least since 2006, and probably long before.		Apr 27 10:35
msb__	[04/25/14 07:29] <msb__> That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.	Apr 27 10:35
MinceR	also, post-communist dictatorship propaganda	Apr 27 10:35
MinceR	yeah, it's always somebody else's fault	Apr 27 10:36
schestowitz	Funny that US got Alaska to 'protect' Russia from the British.	Apr 27 10:36
MinceR	because stalin is a saint	Apr 27 10:36
schestowitz	I read somewhere that UK was OK with Hitler as a tool for keeping STalin at bay (at first)	Apr 27 10:37
schestowitz	But the source was not so reliable	Apr 27 10:37
MinceR	maybe they were more afraid of stalin than hitler at the time	Apr 27 10:37
msb__	MinceR lies that Stalin is "my favorite", even though I called Stalin a psychopath.	Apr 27 10:37
MinceR	and yet nothing stalin ever did was ever stalin's fault	Apr 27 10:38
schestowitz	YYou trust Putin	Apr 27 10:38
MinceR	funny how things work in your world.	Apr 27 10:38
schestowitz	Not Stalin	Apr 27 10:38
schestowitz	Putin was a KGB officer in USSR	Apr 27 10:38
schestowitz	So he's as bad as can be	Apr 27 10:38
schestowitz	He's the lawless in a lawless 'state'	Apr 27 10:38
schestowitz	He represents some of the most vicious things about USSR	Apr 27 10:39
msb__	MinceR is lying again by putting the words in my mouth "nothing stalin ever did was ever stalin's fault". I never said any such thing,	Apr 27 10:39
MinceR	yeah, you say it with different words	Apr 27 10:39
schestowitz	"Stalin is ma homeboy" - msb__	Apr 27 10:40
MinceR	like 163601 < msb__> [04/25/14 07:29] <msb__> That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.	Apr 27 10:40
*schestowitz draws tshirt mockups		Apr 27 10:40
MinceR	btw, afaik psychopathy begins in childhood and is not brought on by trauma	Apr 27 10:40
schestowitz	!google beated up stalin childhood	Apr 27 10:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - July-August 1999: Stalin at Home - Harvard Magazine \| http://harvardmagazine.com/1999/07/right.stalin.html	Apr 27 10:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Early life of Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_Stalin	Apr 27 10:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Stalin, from Child to Bolshevik Leader: 1878 to 1922 - Macrohistory \| http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch11-5b.htm	Apr 27 10:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Joseph Stalin - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com \| http://www.history.com/topics/joseph-stalin	Apr 27 10:40
MinceR	same with ASPD, iirc	Apr 27 10:40
schestowitz	Spanking of children very common in Germany	Apr 27 10:41
MinceR	it's also promoted by abrahamic religion	Apr 27 10:41
schestowitz	many that explains why Bush W and his dad were such assholes	Apr 27 10:41
MinceR	"spare the rod and spoil the child" or some evil bullshit like that	Apr 27 10:41
msb__	schestowitz: " <schestowitz> "Stalin is ma homeboy" - msb__" Maybe yours, Roy, not mine.	Apr 27 10:41
schestowitz	!google prescott bush hitler	Apr 27 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power \| World news ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar	Apr 27 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush	Apr 27 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Bush Family Funded Adolf Hitler - Rense \| http://www.rense.com/general40/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm	Apr 27 10:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Prescott Bush - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to Power ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTnHnjmCYjy4	Apr 27 10:41
schestowitz	msb__: joke, exaggeration to the laughabke	Apr 27 10:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460428365720473600	Apr 27 10:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Pls advise, what's AD? Yup, I'm a plant demographer: N=B-D+I-E. #DeathComesAsTheEnd, Agatha Christie.		Apr 27 10:42
schestowitz	Azheimer disease. Some people live long in near vegetative state; some are lucid in their 90s.	Apr 27 10:43
schestowitz	Alzheimer	Apr 27 10:43
schestowitz	Some look good and young (with help of 'surgeries') and die early (many examples), others look old and keep on going	Apr 27 10:44
msb__	MinceR: Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma. Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this.	Apr 27 10:47
msb__	Stalinist Russia	Apr 27 10:47
MinceR	that doesn't seem to fit with the definition of psychopathy at all	Apr 27 10:48
MinceR	and certainly not every civilian who suffers under a communist dictatorship becomes a psychopath	Apr 27 10:48
msb__	The definition is having no empathy nor conscience, and unjustifiedly harming others.	Apr 27 10:49
MinceR	the definition is a lot more than that.	Apr 27 10:49
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Other_characteristics	Apr 27 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Psychopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Apr 27 10:50
MinceR	if you're interested in psychopathy, i think The Mask of Sanity is a good read.	Apr 27 10:50
msb__	I'm talking about psychopathic behavior in an entire culture (which may not include everyone in that culture).	Apr 27 10:51
msb__	Psychopathy of the US culture results, not from trauma, but from intentional Bernaysian mind-control programming by ultra-wealthy US psychopaths.	Apr 27 10:53
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3992422	Apr 27 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Chicago is dismantling public schools against public opinion. This is part of the Gates/Broad attack on education. Teachers are blamed for poor performance when the real problem is poverty at home and starvation budgets for the school. In Chicago, they seem to be exploiting racism too. Public money is funneled into private hands in the name of serving the poor. http://www.alternet.org/education/despite-communi		Apr 27 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.alternet.org \| Chicago Pursuing School Privatization at Any Cost \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/h71h0 ]		Apr 27 10:57
msb__	Basically that means that part of the school budget money is removed and given to private school owners as profit,	Apr 27 11:00
schestowitz	http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/26/us-brings-europe-to-brink-of-war-over-ukraine-intentionally/	Apr 27 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nsnbc.me \| US brings Europe to Brink of War over Ukraine - Intentionally \| nsnbc international [ http://ur1.ca/h71hm ]		Apr 27 11:00
schestowitz	"Don’t, said a German analyst who reiterates that the US is systematically pushing Europe into a crisis for which the US has planned for decades."	Apr 27 11:00
msb__	Leaving less for teacher salaries, students' books, computers, etc.	Apr 27 11:00
msb__	In WWII, the US attacked socialist Russia by funding Hitler's Nazis. In 2014, the US is attacking Russia by funding Nazis in Ukraine,	Apr 27 11:02
schestowitz	"US" as in plutocrats?	Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	Or German-Americans?	Apr 27 11:03
msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis	Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Apr 27 11:03
msb__	plutocrats	Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	I don't think you can geenralise like this	Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	US means US public	Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz	US corporations means somethign else	Apr 27 11:03
msb__	Certain US ultra-wealthy provided 75% of the funding for Hitler's military buildup.	Apr 27 11:04
msb__	...in order to have Hitler kill off Socialism, which was threatening the profits of the ultra-wealthy.	Apr 27 11:06
MinceR	and you're saying all this in support of someone who is a dictator in cahoots with at least one christian cult, leading an invasion based on the same kind of casus belli hitler used	Apr 27 11:09
MinceR	funny	Apr 27 11:09
msb__	No, MinceR, I'm not saying it in support of anybody. Stop lying by attributing to me things I never said. I am saying all this in order to explain the reasons behind what happened.	Apr 27 11:12
MinceR	you keep lying in support of putin's conquest campaign.	Apr 27 11:12
msb__	What conquest campaign?	Apr 27 11:13
MinceR	the one that's currently ongoing against ukraine	Apr 27 11:13
msb__	That was started by a proxy attack by the US, using Ukrainian Nazis. Putin is trying to protect Ukrainians who don't want to be ruled by those Nazis.	Apr 27 11:15
MinceR	so you saay.	Apr 27 11:15
MinceR	s/aa/a/	Apr 27 11:15
msb__	So many analysts say. Do I have to find them for you?	Apr 27 11:15
MinceR	do you also claim that hitler invaded czechoslovakia to protect the germans there?	Apr 27 11:15
msb__	No.	Apr 27 11:15
MinceR	putin's entire echo chamber says that? good for him.	Apr 27 11:16
MinceR	so what makes putin or ukraine special?	Apr 27 11:16
msb__	MinceR is claiming that most of the alternative press is "putin's entire echo chamber".	Apr 27 11:16
MinceR	also, who will protect ukrainians who don't want to be ruled by putin?	Apr 27 11:17
msb__	The duly elected govt of Ukraine, until it was overthrown by the Nazis supported by the US.	Apr 27 11:18
MinceR	who was a puppet of putin	Apr 27 11:19
MinceR	also, there are and were many dictators who were "elected", including hitler	Apr 27 11:19
msb__	I don't know, but he was elected.	Apr 27 11:19
MinceR	yeah, just like your favorite communist dictators keep getting "reelected"	Apr 27 11:19
MinceR	in races where nobody else is allowed to run	Apr 27 11:19
MinceR	but this is to be expected of someone who opposes democracy	Apr 27 11:20
msb__	Well, elections by a fully informed citizenry is the best that can be done.	Apr 27 11:20
MinceR	there are plenty more criteria for a fair election.	Apr 27 11:20
MinceR	also, are you saying that ukrainians were fully informed when they elected yanukovych?	Apr 27 11:20
msb__	MinceR: Were other candidates prevented from running in the Ukraine election?	Apr 27 11:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460434674620190720	Apr 27 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Neuroscience advances r amazing. Improved understanding of dynamic feedbacks are strengthening linkages to ecosystem theory :)		Apr 27 11:21
MinceR	i don't know	Apr 27 11:21
MinceR	but as far as i know, there were plenty of issues in ukraine before	Apr 27 11:22
msb__	MinceR: Then don't imply they were if you don't know.	Apr 27 11:22
MinceR	do you know?	Apr 27 11:22
MinceR	also, in many of the states you advertise here regularly, other candidates _are_ prevented from running.	Apr 27 11:22
MinceR	and that's what i was commenting on.	Apr 27 11:22
msb__	As to being fully informed, Ukraine has socialists, nazis, and centrists, so between their various news sources the public must have had access to the entire political spectrum.	Apr 27 11:25
MinceR	except that didn't even work for hungary.	Apr 27 11:25
MinceR	bbl	Apr 27 11:26
MinceR	re	Apr 27 11:48
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3991470	Apr 27 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MSNBC's Chris Hayes calls Bundy ranch supporters 'insurgents' http://www.examiner.com/article/msnbc-s-chris-hayes-calls-bundy-ranch-supporters-insurgents characterising them like "terrorists"		Apr 27 15:08
schestowitz__	"	Apr 27 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.examiner.com \| MSNBC's Chris Hayes calls Bundy ranch supporters 'insurgents' - Spokane Conservative \| Examiner.com [ http://ur1.ca/h72xe ]		Apr 27 15:08
schestowitz__	'anyone to the right of Josef Stalin'?	Apr 27 15:08
schestowitz__	I guess.... Image/photo	Apr 27 15:08
schestowitz__	"	Apr 27 15:08
schestowitz__	http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif	Apr 27 15:08
schestowitz__	It's a handy image	Apr 27 15:08
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3991855	Apr 27 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #zuckerberg a politician (or political force) because money is power in the US http://kiwaradio.com/local-news/congressman-king-targeted-by-amnesty-ads-financed-by-facebooks-mark-zuckerberg/ https://www.numbersusa.com/news/boehner-mocks-house-republican-concerns-over-amnesty		Apr 27 15:08
schestowitz__	"Money is power everywhere..."	Apr 27 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> kiwaradio.com \| Congressman King Targeted By Amnesty Ads Financed By Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg \| KIWARadio.com [ http://ur1.ca/h72xs ]		Apr 27 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.numbersusa.com \| Boehner Mocks House Republican Concerns Over Amnesty \| NumbersUSA [ http://ur1.ca/h72xu ]		Apr 27 15:08
schestowitz__	"And power becomes corruption..."	Apr 27 15:08
schestowitz__	Some systems put barriers in place, whereas SCOTUS rubberstamps the corruption into law (see recent court case)	Apr 27 15:10
schestowitz__	> http://mrpogson.com/2014/04/26/surface-loses/	Apr 27 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com \| Surface Loses \| Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/h72zt ]		Apr 27 15:14
schestowitz__	Article posted about it earlier. I wonder how long Enronsoft can go on for...	Apr 27 15:14
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3993573	Apr 27 15:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pretty soon, we could all be using the Dark Net http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/jamiebartlett/100013293/pretty-soon-we-could-all-be-using-the-dark-net/ #tor		Apr 27 15:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.telegraph.co.uk \| Pretty soon, we could all be using the Dark Net – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/h72vs ]		Apr 27 15:31
schestowitz__	"HAHAHA... Perfect analogy Chris. I2p is a darknet."	Apr 27 15:31
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3992404	Apr 27 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #europe 's #nuclear #risks. http://europeangreens.eu/nuclear		Apr 27 15:35
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schestowitz__	"That would need us to drop nuclear power completely. I hope it will happen, but I don't believe in humanity anymoer, as it failed me many times. Humanity acts in illogical way, completely discarding any foreseeing, acting without any imagination. Short-term benefits make humanity blind and deaf on the risk."	Apr 27 15:35
schestowitz__	"Russia wants a war. Look how close they put their country to our troops!"	Apr 27 15:36
MinceR	http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2023393433_apxrussiaputin.html	Apr 27 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-seattletimes.com \| Putin admits Crimea troops were his, calls east Ukraine 'new Russia' \| Nation & World \| The Seattle Times [ http://ur1.ca/h73cu ]		Apr 27 16:03
Sosumi	he'd would have been smarter and more historically accurate then if he had called ukraine "little russia"	Apr 27 16:08
Sosumi	or russinia	Apr 27 16:08
MinceR	:>	Apr 27 16:08
schestowitz__	MinceR: can we trust the source though?	Apr 27 16:36
MinceR	dunno	Apr 27 16:36
schestowitz__	Putin's press versus Wall Streeet's (Bloomberg)	Apr 27 16:36
schestowitz__	Sounds like propaganda to me	Apr 27 16:36
schestowitz__	not just because of the source but because it conflcts with other things I read	Apr 27 16:36
schestowitz__	just more infowars	Apr 27 16:36
MinceR	there's probably video of it	Apr 27 16:37
schestowitz__	!google hillary clinton information war losing	Apr 27 16:37
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schestowitz__	I think she also commended Russia Today	Apr 27 16:37
schestowitz__	Can't recall if it was her	Apr 27 16:38
schestowitz__	I think people turn to such channels now because they can trust these more than the corporations'	Apr 27 16:38
schestowitz__	MinceR: it's an AP report actually	Apr 27 16:39
schestowitz__	i studied who runs it a while back, and Reuters	Apr 27 16:39
MinceR	i mean, video of putin saying whatever	Apr 27 16:39
schestowitz__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press	Apr 27 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Associated Press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73kg ]		Apr 27 16:40
schestowitz__	"Headquarters New York City, New York, U.S."	Apr 27 16:40
schestowitz__	I remembered this correctlu	Apr 27 16:40
Sosumi	aren't reuters and AP owned by the same dudes?	Apr 27 16:40
schestowitz__	income and revenue down for AP	Apr 27 16:41
schestowitz__	people go elsewhere for info	Apr 27 16:41
schestowitz__	and papers that license APT articles go under or lose readers to blogs and stuff, I gues	Apr 27 16:41
schestowitz__	AP pretends to be intl'	Apr 27 16:41
schestowitz__	cooperative	Apr 27 16:42
schestowitz__	but it's steered from Wall Str.	Apr 27 16:42
schestowitz__	and as my wife reads AP every day I can easily see their bias	Apr 27 16:42
schestowitz__	US deaths count more	Apr 27 16:42
schestowitz__	and most of thr world is not even front page material	Apr 27 16:42
schestowitz__	So to expect US favouritism and acceptance (blind) of US conquest is natural	Apr 27 16:43
schestowitz__	"they meant well..."	Apr 27 16:43
schestowitz__	Good guys	Apr 27 16:43
schestowitz__	"Cutbacks at longtime U.S. rival United Press International, most significantly in 1993, left the AP as the primary nationally oriented news service based in the United States, although UPI still produces and distributes news stories and photos daily. Other English-language news services, such as Reuters and the English-language service of Agence France-Presse, are based outside the United States."	Apr 27 16:43
schestowitz__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AP_headquarters.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_associated_press_building_in_new_york_city.jpg	Apr 27 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| File:AP headquarters.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73lk ]		Apr 27 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| File:The associated press building in new york city.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73ll ]		Apr 27 16:44
schestowitz__	Not news from the people for the people by the people	Apr 27 16:44
schestowitz__	news from corporations, billionaires etc.	Apr 27 16:44
MinceR	gn	Apr 27 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Six clicks: Great tips and tricks for Android	Apr 27 18:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3BhyodUKUX	Apr 27 18:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h744n	Apr 27 18:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine 1.7.17 released http://t.co/R97lCBXB47	Apr 27 18:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h744o	Apr 27 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Six clicks: Great tips and tricks for Android \| Tux Machines		Apr 27 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wine 1.7.17 released \| Tux Machines		Apr 27 18:19
_Goblin	schestowitz__, just heard the show...great stuff but you need to take the bass out of my voice a little....	Apr 27 18:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Re-sort KDE control modules	Apr 27 19:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qN9lmxT4o3	Apr 27 19:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h74k5	Apr 27 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Re-sort KDE control modules \| Tux Machines		Apr 27 19:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat: Certain To Grow With Rising Linux	Apr 27 19:44
TweetTuxMachines	Acceptance http://t.co/ifka7uY6mc	Apr 27 19:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h74k6	Apr 27 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat: Certain To Grow With Rising Linux Acceptance \| Tux Machines		Apr 27 19:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft will continue to sell Nokia Android	Apr 27 19:44
TweetTuxMachines	phones http://t.co/QL2wrIUEHg	Apr 27 19:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h74k7	Apr 27 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Microsoft will continue to sell Nokia Android phones \| Tux Machines		Apr 27 19:44
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460549451711393792 https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460549968529354753	Apr 27 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz Rubbish. Totally invented. There are no charges bought against #Assange for anything published by #Wikileaks. Fact.		Apr 27 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz Every major publishing house has said they would help defend #Assange if he was ever charged over his publishing. No charges.		Apr 27 20:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xubuntu 14.04 LTS http://t.co/Fh94cKfU2b	Apr 27 23:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h75pn	Apr 27 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Xubuntu 14.04 LTS \| Tux Machines		Apr 27 23:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel's P-State Driver Is Getting Better Tuned	Apr 27 23:22
TweetTuxMachines	For Performance http://t.co/nqnu8hs90V	Apr 27 23:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h75po	Apr 27 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel's P-State Driver Is Getting Better Tuned For Performance \| Tux Machines		Apr 27 23:22
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DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/active-0day-attack-hijacking-ie-users-threatens-a-quarter-of-browser-market/	Apr 28 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Active 0day attack hijacking IE users threatens a quarter of browser market \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h7653 ]		Apr 28 00:49
DaemonFC	This one exists in XP and won't be patched. The first of many.	Apr 28 00:49
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MinceR	http://i.huffpost.com/gen/377023/BEST-ABSTRACT-EVER.jpg	Apr 28 02:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 On Amazon EC2: Xen PV vs. HVM	Apr 28 02:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SU2Aol7hRO	Apr 28 02:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h76s1	Apr 28 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04 On Amazon EC2: Xen PV vs. HVM \| Tux Machines		Apr 28 02:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Driving sustainable innovation in Governments	Apr 28 02:59
TweetTuxMachines	with Open Source http://t.co/FGfDUzhe4p	Apr 28 02:59
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MinceR	geekings	Apr 28 04:12
schestowitz__	https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_eae6fb993cc93abedde4.jpg	Apr 28 04:15
schestowitz__	MinceR: http://c3.likes-media.com/img/ed6eaa768c2805d1f5cd0001b67592d2.600x.gif	Apr 28 05:21
schestowitz__	pussy https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_afdeb0eb86a4221ce9c8.jpg SFW	Apr 28 05:22
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Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/28/apple-regains-market-iphone5s-sales/	Apr 28 06:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com \| Apple Regains Market Share in Some Countries with Strong iPhone 5s Sales - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h77wd ]		Apr 28 06:08
Sosumi	blackberry kaput and windblows phone still trying to catch a favourable wind current	Apr 28 06:08
schestowitz__	in some countries	Apr 28 06:08
schestowitz__	lying with stats	Apr 28 06:09
schestowitz__	like calling out only stats in US	Apr 28 06:09
schestowitz__	as MS likes to do	Apr 28 06:09
schestowitz__	Apple too, I guess, or in japan	Apr 28 06:09
Sosumi	arrh it is like you're making android the divine god given mobile OS and the iphone os the devil	Apr 28 06:10
Sosumi	both are crap	Apr 28 06:10
Sosumi	the only version of android I'd touch would only be the open source one	Apr 28 06:11
Sosumi	free of the google snooping junk	Apr 28 06:11
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3996523	Apr 28 06:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #macrumors and other pro-Apple sites: finding angles to make positive-sounding #apple news even when the news is generally bad		Apr 28 06:11
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3996528	Apr 28 06:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ArsTechnica - couldn't be Arsed to actually #research #microsoft facts, so instead appointed a Microsoft prop to push Microsoft agenda		Apr 28 06:11
Sosumi	it is just some number to ponder about	Apr 28 06:11
schestowitz__	Sosumi: you can run FOSS on Android	Apr 28 06:12
schestowitz__	!google apple store gpl	Apr 28 06:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Mac App Store - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_App_Store	Apr 28 06:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - The GPL, the App Store, and you \| Breaking Apple News, Tips and ... \| http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/09/the-gpl-the-app-store-and-you/	Apr 28 06:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - No GPL Apps for Apple's App Store \| ZDNet \| http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/8046	Apr 28 06:12
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Why Is There No Version of Pidgin for iOS in the App Store? \| https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/WhyNoiOSVersion	Apr 28 06:12
schestowitz__	We use Firefox on Android for instance	Apr 28 06:12
schestowitz__	Although my wife starts preferring Chrome, unfortunately	Apr 28 06:12
schestowitz__	Also, many android phones can be modded and reflashed	Apr 28 06:13
schestowitz__	Apple makes it harder to even remove the batteries (surveillance even when turned off)	Apr 28 06:13
Sosumi	of the popular android phones around only the samsung lets you remove the battery	Apr 28 06:14
schestowitz__	hmmm... I didn't see many others	Apr 28 06:14
Sosumi	so for other manufacturers, HTC, LG...	Apr 28 06:14
schestowitz__	Maybe you're right, I didn't check	Apr 28 06:14
schestowitz__	All models?	Apr 28 06:14
Sosumi	all the high end for sure	Apr 28 06:14
schestowitz__	That's freaky weird	Apr 28 06:14
Sosumi	try to remove the battery on the nexus 5	Apr 28 06:15
schestowitz__	I wonder if the FCC et al. will start pushing for this as 'standard'	Apr 28 06:15
Sosumi	or the htc one	Apr 28 06:15
schestowitz__	the two mobile I used to use sometimes (bought anonymously) made it easy to remove the batts quickly	Apr 28 06:15
schestowitz__	With Nexus 7 it's hard, but it's a tablet	Apr 28 06:15
schestowitz__	gtg	Apr 28 06:15
schestowitz__	bbl	Apr 28 06:15
Sosumi	can't remove the battery on the LG G2 either	Apr 28 06:16
msb__	Doesn't the android OS do all sorts of things that the user may need to modify, thus need the source code of the OS and the ability to alter the OS image in the phone/tablet?	Apr 28 06:17
msb__	Such as communication with USB devices.	Apr 28 06:17
Sosumi	it can because google provides the source code, but then comes issues like drivers, optimization and so on	Apr 28 06:18
Sosumi	or features that as custom to specific maker and enabled only on his fork	Apr 28 06:19
Sosumi	like blinking leds	Apr 28 06:19
msb__	Right, you would need full info like you get with a GNU/Linux system.	Apr 28 06:19
Sosumi	that is why the best phones for such endeavours have been the nexus lines	Apr 28 06:20
Sosumi	they're just "simple"	Apr 28 06:20
Sosumi	there's also a manufacturer who sell cyanmogen mod flashed phones	Apr 28 06:21
Sosumi	I think it is called 1 plus one	Apr 28 06:21
Sosumi	http://oneplus.net/	Apr 28 06:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oneplus.net \| Home - OnePlus.net		Apr 28 06:22
msb__	Lots of additional features: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod	Apr 28 06:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| CyanogenMod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/8th0c ]		Apr 28 06:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Development Of Ubuntu 14.10 Has Already	Apr 28 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	Started http://t.co/kK7L8rUBPb	Apr 28 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7830	Apr 28 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Development Of Ubuntu 14.10 Has Already Started \| Tux Machines		Apr 28 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Web App Shortcuts To Get New Look in Chrome,	Apr 28 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	Chrome OS http://t.co/LJhJEK9E2U	Apr 28 06:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Web App Shortcuts To Get New Look in Chrome, Chrome OS \| Tux Machines		Apr 28 06:35
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msb__	Sosumi: The OnePlus is interesting, but there's a lot of commercial hype in its website.	Apr 28 06:40
Sosumi	yeah	Apr 28 06:41
Sosumi	I noticed that	Apr 28 06:41
Sosumi	just wait and see	Apr 28 06:41
msb__	And it doesn't say whether the thing is open source or not.	Apr 28 06:41
Sosumi	probably asstechnica will review it or something	Apr 28 06:41
msb__	...or to what extent.	Apr 28 06:41
MinceR	Sosumi: the point is that android is _less_ crap than most of the others :>	Apr 28 06:41
MinceR	in many areas of IT, we can't help but settle for 'less crap'	Apr 28 06:42
Sosumi	aka, this turd smells less bad than the other	Apr 28 06:42
Sosumi	open source android is the way to go	Apr 28 06:43
Sosumi	but I'm not sure how's the deal with stores	Apr 28 06:44
Sosumi	or so to say if there's something similar to the ubuntu way of browsing software there	Apr 28 06:44
MinceR	https://ribanc.com/files/10314513_10203491704150423_3394958408642256854_n.jpg	Apr 28 06:49
MinceR	Sosumi: f-droid	Apr 28 06:50
Sosumi	FUBARing droid	Apr 28 06:51
Sosumi	it goes in and everything gets f'ed up beyond any recognition	Apr 28 06:52
Sosumi	just bits and pieces	Apr 28 06:52
MinceR	124141 < Sosumi> probably asstechnica will review it or something	Apr 28 06:57
MinceR	and then say "this is not a hypePhone, so it sucks"?	Apr 28 06:57
MinceR	or only index.hu does that every single time?	Apr 28 06:57
Sosumi	"asstechnica"	Apr 28 06:58
Sosumi	"ASStechnica"!	Apr 28 06:58
MinceR	arse technica	Apr 28 06:59
Sosumi	:)	Apr 28 06:59
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Sosumi	https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/460653370420649984	Apr 28 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NinaByzantina: If you see #Putin everywhere, it might be good to visit a psychiatrist. ;) \| Паранойя зашкаливает: пора к психиатору. http://t.co/20xoxEMRgv		Apr 28 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NinaByzantina: If you see #Putin everywhere, it might be good to visit a psychiatrist. ;) \| Паранойя зашкаливает: пора к психиатору. http://t.co/20xoxEMRgv		Apr 28 08:42
Sosumi	dalai lama on the top with his mysticism and superstition is better	Apr 28 08:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta Release	Apr 28 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QtSIqecZ3g	Apr 28 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h790h	Apr 28 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Polishing the Rare Gem That Is Linux	Apr 28 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lturCzFoxW	Apr 28 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h790i	Apr 28 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta Release \| Tux Machines		Apr 28 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Polishing the Rare Gem That Is Linux \| Tux Machines		Apr 28 09:13
msb__	Sosumi: Are you there?	Apr 28 09:24
Sosumi	I'am now	Apr 28 09:25
msb__	Cartoon Network showed the next to the last episode of Ghost in the Shell SAC first season Sunday morning.	Apr 28 09:27
msb__	There is a fair amount of philosophy in it. Motoko realizes that some of the tachikomas sacrificed themselves to save Batou's life. (Section 9 is being attacked by a corrupt branch of govt that Section 9 exposed.)	Apr 28 09:28
msb__	She thinks that maybe the tachikomas have developed ghosts, and wished she'd paid more attention to that before.	Apr 28 09:29
Sosumi	the tachikomas had developed personalities of their own	Apr 28 09:30
Sosumi	aka, they became differentiated	Apr 28 09:30
Sosumi	and the synching of information between them no longer guaranteed that the robots would behave the same	Apr 28 09:30
msb__	Yes, although they shared some of the personalities, because they frequently connected with one another.	Apr 28 09:31
Sosumi	to contribute to that was also Batou's attachment for a particular tachikoma	Apr 28 09:31
msb__	And they loved the "natural oil" that he have them.	Apr 28 09:31
Sosumi	yeah	Apr 28 09:31
msb__	But regardless of the differentiation or similarity of their personalities, they had developed ghosts -- consciousness.	Apr 28 09:32
msb__	They were not robots anymore, but synthetic people.	Apr 28 09:32
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 09:33
Sosumi	that is what "ghost" means consciousness, intuition, built on past experiences from situations, books and in general, life	Apr 28 09:34
msb__	Also Motoko and Batou were talking about how they each used physical objects -- she a wristwatch and he his (useless) weight-training equipment -- to remind themselves, or prove to themselves, that they were still people, even though they were fully cyberized, in synthetic bodies.	Apr 28 09:35
Sosumi	just because their bodies are made of inorganic matter doesn't mean that it wouldn't be alive	Apr 28 09:35
msb__	yes	Apr 28 09:35
Sosumi	it is memento of whom they were	Apr 28 09:36
msb__	Thus ghosts in the metallic shell.	Apr 28 09:36
Sosumi	if they had been born mechanical in the first place	Apr 28 09:36
Sosumi	they wouldn't have felt that way	Apr 28 09:36
msb__	Unless, like the tachikomas, they had evolved to it.	Apr 28 09:37
Sosumi	yes, but tachikomas wouldn't feel the need for such mementos	Apr 28 09:37
MinceR	http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1992.html	Apr 28 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geekculture.com \| The Joy of Tech comic... Net Neutrality walks into a bar... [ http://ur1.ca/h795o ]		Apr 28 09:37
MinceR	no plastic?	Apr 28 09:38
Sosumi	meh plastic	Apr 28 09:38
Sosumi	gief carbon nanotube	Apr 28 09:38
Sosumi	when crapple builds an hypephone out of that, I'll buy one	Apr 28 09:39
Sosumi	so I caqn flash it with open source android	Apr 28 09:39
msb__	In the 1995 GITS movie, Motoko pulls so hard on the hatch of a tank that she tears her skin, and reveals the mechanical parts underneath.	Apr 28 09:40
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 09:40
Sosumi	the lesson of the 1995 movie is that randomness is what keeps the things flowing	Apr 28 09:41
Sosumi	that was why motoko got togusa which is basically human out of the police	Apr 28 09:41
msb__	How so?	Apr 28 09:41
MinceR	carbon nanotubes are organic, aren't they?	Apr 28 09:41
Sosumi	to enter an element of randomness on the team of overspecialized and augmented members	Apr 28 09:42
MinceR	Sosumi: when crApple has Foxconn build a hypePhone out of carbon nanotubes, all their competitors will already have such products	Apr 28 09:42
msb__	MinceR: Yes, in that they are CHON, but they are not alive.	Apr 28 09:42
MinceR	neither are plastics	Apr 28 09:42
MinceR	and yet they're organic as well	Apr 28 09:42
Sosumi	and that the bodie is merely a vehicle for the mind	Apr 28 09:42
Sosumi	and what matters is the continuance of that same mind	Apr 28 09:42
Sosumi	also to ensure survivability the puppeteer chooses to merge with motoko	Apr 28 09:42
Sosumi	because merely copying himself over and over again would only lead to the stagnation of himself	Apr 28 09:43
Sosumi	and the change for him to be wiped clean	Apr 28 09:43
Sosumi	think of it on the same lines of animal diversity	Apr 28 09:43
msb__	Right, and, yes, he says that variability -- randomness -- is necessary to avoid stagnation.	Apr 28 09:43
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 09:44
Sosumi	carbon is organic	Apr 28 09:44
msb__	The word "organic" has two different meanings. In chemistry, it's compounds comprised of CHON, but elsewhere it means "alive" -- product of DNA, enzymes, etc.	Apr 28 09:45
MinceR	what's alive?	Apr 28 09:46
Sosumi	I am	Apr 28 09:46
Sosumi	what about you?	Apr 28 09:46
Sosumi	:P	Apr 28 09:46
MinceR	"Life is a characteristic distinguishing objects having signaling and self-sustaining processes from those that do not"	Apr 28 09:46
MinceR	it doesn't say anywhere that, say, a nanomachine couldn't be alive :>	Apr 28 09:46
msb__	Reproduction is another characteristic of being alive.	Apr 28 09:50
MinceR	which is yet another thing machines could be capable of	Apr 28 09:51
MinceR	grey goo, for example :>	Apr 28 09:51
msb__	So Motoko merges with the Puppet Master in the 1995 movie, who did have a synthetic origin. He was an AI created by some govt as a weapon, but evolved to consciousness in the Net.	Apr 28 09:51
Sosumi	it was built for edging international affairs	Apr 28 09:52
msb__	And in SAC season 2, she merges with the cyberized guy who was helping the refugees.	Apr 28 09:52
Sosumi	that was probably why it was so versed in philosophy	Apr 28 09:52
Sosumi	no idea about SAC2	Apr 28 09:53
Sosumi	I'm not fan of those series	Apr 28 09:53
Sosumi	in the movies is where the magic is	Apr 28 09:54
msb__	So you said. That's why I mentioned the philosophizing in that episode of SAC1. It's worth watching!	Apr 28 09:54
Sosumi	it is light philosophy, nothing special	Apr 28 09:54
msb__	Motoko remembers her childhood in SAC2.	Apr 28 09:55
Sosumi	I had read all that before in other books	Apr 28 09:55
msb__	Anyhow, I found a copy of Patlabor 1 and am about halfway through it. It's pretty good. I haven't found Patlabor 2 yet.	Apr 28 09:57
msb__	Thanks for suggesting them.	Apr 28 09:57
Sosumi	what goes on in gits has been written by Liebnitz, aristotle, plato, bertrand russel, norbert wiener, etc.	Apr 28 09:57
Sosumi	just go to kickass torrents	Apr 28 09:57
msb__	Yes, but it	Apr 28 09:57
Sosumi	the two movies are there	Apr 28 09:57
msb__	's much more fun in anime'!	Apr 28 09:58
msb__	Not Patlabor 2 dubbed, that I've found so far.	Apr 28 09:58
Sosumi	it is subbed	Apr 28 09:58
msb__	I don't like subtitles.	Apr 28 09:58
Sosumi	lol	Apr 28 09:58
msb__	Anyhow, nothing seeded in kat.	Apr 28 10:01
msb__	So what's your idea about why Motoko likes to work naked? I have three theories: 1. the thermoptic camo works better that way 2. she enjoys being a girl 3. fan service!	Apr 28 10:06
Sosumi	camo with fan service	Apr 28 10:07
Sosumi	and to make it look "adult"	Apr 28 10:07
msb__	Works for me!	Apr 28 10:08
msb__	An interesting thing I've noticed about anime's is that the characters aren't drawn with the epicanthic fold. They don't look Asian!	Apr 28 10:12
Sosumi	on ghost in the shell?	Apr 28 10:12
msb__	In any of them that I've seen. Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Inuyasha, to name the more famous ones.	Apr 28 10:13
Sosumi	no idea	Apr 28 10:14
msb__	I don't know if they're aiming for the US market, or if the creators don't like that facial feature themselves, which would be weird.	Apr 28 10:15
MinceR	or it's just extra complexity which would slow down drawing	Apr 28 10:16
MinceR	and wouldn't help with facial expressions	Apr 28 10:16
msb__	maybe	Apr 28 10:17
msb__	In GITS and Inuyasha, the locale is explicitly Japan.	Apr 28 10:19
Sosumi	gits is in a fictional "new port city"	Apr 28 10:20
Sosumi	after a war	Apr 28 10:21
msb__	But it is in Japan. At least the SAC series is.	Apr 28 10:21
msb__	And the faces are drawn fairly accurately, to look human, not cartoonish. But no folds.	Apr 28 10:23
msb__	I saw a movie a long time ago which had a woman getting, or wanting, plastic surgery to remove the fold, and the conflict this caused with her boyfriend.	Apr 28 10:30
MinceR	(javascript) http://alexnisnevich.github.io/untrusted/	Apr 28 10:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alexnisnevich.github.io \| Untrusted - a user javascript adventure game [ http://ur1.ca/h79hk ]		Apr 28 10:30
msb__	... who was maybe a US soldier/sailor? William Holden?	Apr 28 10:31
msb__	OK, a game in which you have to actually write javascript in order to play! Weird!	Apr 28 10:37
msb__	Sosumi: How about WXIII Patlabor the Movie 3? Is that one good?	Apr 28 10:41
Sosumi	it is ok	Apr 28 10:54
Sosumi	about synthetic biology	Apr 28 10:54
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msb__	Sosumi: Thanks!	Apr 28 11:02
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460681608362594304/photo/1	Apr 28 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: To the Record Industry Assoc. of America: @seeved @_goblin @schestowitz http://t.co/rVgQMmVy1t		Apr 28 12:34
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460662905310945282	Apr 28 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @_Goblin @schestowitz great podcast Games could be made into free software if the concept of @Bittunes works out http://t.co/7RYayMwCw6		Apr 28 12:41
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460677478856404992 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460675209150746624 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460674403937050624 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/46067358229765734	Apr 28 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes those that destroy talent for profit & set a artist status quo @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz major labels, publishers, rights collectors, intermediaries, aggregators, (a bloated value chain)		Apr 28 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes the middle men rec agencys? @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 12:44
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460673582297657344	Apr 28 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: and all the other pigs with their heads in the trough, go hungry... #disintermediation @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 12:45
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460671119851155456 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460669327562539008 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460663280961191936	Apr 28 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: That's the idea... Both profit. "@SEEVed: @bittunes It looks like a model that will work for Users & Creators @_Goblin @schestowitz"		Apr 28 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes It looks like a model that will work for Users & Creators @_Goblin @schestowitz		Apr 28 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz lots of potential.. But slowly slowly catch the monkey.		Apr 28 12:46
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460669327562539008	Apr 28 12:47
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460673582297657344 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460674403937050624 https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460675209150746624 https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460677478856404992	Apr 28 12:48
DaemonFC	shared a link.	Apr 28 14:35
DaemonFC	3 minutes ago	Apr 28 14:35
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1404_encryption&num=1	Apr 28 14:35
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DaemonFC	LUKS is pretty easy to set up on Ubuntu. All you need to do, really, is check "set up LVM" and "encrypt my partitions" (or something to that effect), and then enter a strong password.	Apr 28 14:35
DaemonFC	Pretty much everyone that takes their laptop with them through an international customs checkpoint or onto an airplane with them should do this. ICE and the TSA have a nasty habit of flipping open your laptop and searching it and/or copying all your files.	Apr 28 14:35
DaemonFC	Alarmingly, the Supreme Court has let them get away with this, even when they don't have probable cause or a warrant to search you.	Apr 28 14:35
DaemonFC	If your entire disk is encrypted with LUKS and you have a strong password, they're not going to get anything off of it.	Apr 28 14:35
DaemonFC	Windows, on the other hand, says you can use full disk encryption, but Microsoft gave most governments backdoors that instantly decrypt your hard drive.	Apr 28 14:35
DaemonFC	schestowitz, What those videos that tell you what to say to the police don't tell you is that by saying any of that, you basically might as well be saying "Officer, please beat me up and then spend an hour tearing through my car, then make it legal later because the judge is an asshole, and throw in a resisting arrest charge as well, please."	Apr 28 14:37
DaemonFC	Saying anything other than the bare minimum that you legally have to to the police or filling out a "statement" of any kind is a really awful idea.	Apr 28 14:39
DaemonFC	When they say they want your side of the story, what they really mean is that they want you to talk, and they're hoping that you can give them some more damning information that they can use against you later. They're not looking to "be fair" about anything at all.	Apr 28 14:39
DaemonFC	The Indiana legal system is turning into something like those courts they have in China.	Apr 28 14:40
DaemonFC	Anyone who goes there is guilty by default, and the more you protest, the more guilty you must be.	Apr 28 14:40
DaemonFC	Although, I did have one friend that managed to go in there without a lawyer after wisely shutting the hell up during the whole process, and the state's case fell apart because they really had no evidence at all. I was shocked, because I've really never seen anyone go in there for anything without a lawyer and walk back out without shackles.	Apr 28 14:42
DaemonFC	I don't think that the system is as racist as people say it is, at least not directly. It treats POOR PEOPLE like shit, and it might be indirectly racist because more black people tend to be poor.	Apr 28 14:43
DaemonFC	Meanwhile, there was that rich white CEO that beat up his girlfriend over 100 times and then complained that he had to pay a $500 fine.	Apr 28 14:44
DaemonFC	It really is a system of inferior justice for the poor.	Apr 28 14:45
DaemonFC	If he had been making $20,000 a year and living in a trailer, he would have gotten a felony and a number of years in prison.	Apr 28 14:45
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Sosumi	luckily or not	Apr 28 16:55
Sosumi	I've had a test machine running windows 8.1 for 20 days non stop	Apr 28 16:56
DaemonFC	http://mashable.com/2014/04/28/microsoft-nadella-path-bug-xp/	Apr 28 16:56
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Sosumi	while learning my ways around VS and getting to know the whole .net crap	Apr 28 16:57
MinceR	...by closing shop.	Apr 28 16:57
DaemonFC	So, basically, there are millions of Windows XP systems out there that can all be taken over with this one bug.	Apr 28 16:57
Sosumi	with no issues nor any erratic behavior	Apr 28 16:57
Sosumi	the same I can't tell about a osx machine I have which starts displaying erratic behavior just after 3 days	Apr 28 16:58
Sosumi	or not clearing the ram	Apr 28 16:58
MinceR	someone mentioned that there are other well known unfixed bugs as well	Apr 28 16:58
MinceR	older ones, too	Apr 28 16:58
Sosumi	the IE zero day thing?	Apr 28 16:59
MinceR	yes	Apr 28 16:59
Sosumi	there was also a flash 0 day patch released today	Apr 28 16:59
MinceR	flash should also hurry up and die	Apr 28 16:59
Sosumi	yep because no tablet or phone supports it	Apr 28 16:59
MinceR	and because it sucks	Apr 28 17:00
Sosumi	yep	Apr 28 17:00
MinceR	and because it's made by idiots who have no hope of ever making anything that does not suck	Apr 28 17:00
Sosumi	:)	Apr 28 17:00
Sosumi	ok one issue with the winblows machine	Apr 28 17:01
Sosumi	just discovered it now	Apr 28 17:01
Sosumi	after certain point, windows fails to automatically lock the issue	Apr 28 17:02
Sosumi	as I had it configured	Apr 28 17:02
sebsebseb	Sosumi: MinceR deam unforutnaty swithing these old WIndows XP machines over to LInux, is not always so simle nwo	Apr 28 17:03
sebsebseb	upstream have messed things up	Apr 28 17:03
sebsebseb	there's issues with isolinux syslinux whatever it was cuasing boot up probems	Apr 28 17:03
MinceR	no cd/dvd boot support?	Apr 28 17:04
sebsebseb	at least Mageia is trying to get such issues fixed for a Mageia 4.1 release, but I still haven't just been able to test iso'S for that on an old XP computer here, becuase of isuses with burners uh	Apr 28 17:04
DaemonFC	MinceR, The problem here is that Microsoft will patch this, but that the patch won't be publicly released, through official channels at least.	Apr 28 17:04
sebsebseb	MinceR: yes loads of verisons of distor's won't even boot up on that old omputer	Apr 28 17:04
sebsebseb	from the last three years or so it seems or more	Apr 28 17:04
DaemonFC	What will happen is that the companies and government agencies that have paid a fortune for end of life support will still get the patches, but nobody else will, and millions of XP systems are going to become zombies.	Apr 28 17:05
sebsebseb	MinceR: ,but i think what Mageia is having a fix for, is the issues I am on about	Apr 28 17:05
sebsebseb	and don't tell me to dd some usb stick	Apr 28 17:05
sebsebseb	and then try and boot that on the computer	Apr 28 17:05
MinceR	there are some distros and remixes that focus on older computers	Apr 28 17:05
sebsebseb	,becaue I don't get anywhere iwth dd when I Tired before, to actsualy make a bootable USB	Apr 28 17:05
DaemonFC	I suppose that you could get the leaked hotfixes from a warez site, but that's an ironic place to have to go for security updates. :P	Apr 28 17:05
sebsebseb	MinceR: no it's a boot up issue	Apr 28 17:05
sebsebseb	MinceR: not the distro itself	Apr 28 17:05
MinceR	strange, dd always worked for me	Apr 28 17:05
MinceR	though it depends on the image	Apr 28 17:05
DaemonFC	like the MyDigitalLife forum.	Apr 28 17:05
sebsebseb	wel it didn't seem tow ork for me	Apr 28 17:05
DaemonFC	They always release those updates that Microsoft doesn't allow public access to.	Apr 28 17:06
*sebsebseb is not happy that he know someone, who despite everything he said etc, is sitl running XP online uh		Apr 28 17:06
MinceR	debian and crunchbang (and probably other debian-based distros) support usb flash booting via iso image	Apr 28 17:06
sebsebseb	ok using FIrefox though not INternt Explorer	Apr 28 17:06
DaemonFC	There were well over a hundred of them the last time I looked, and that was probably 6-7 years ago.	Apr 28 17:06
sebsebseb	,but still things won't be as secure as they should be now	Apr 28 17:06
MinceR	iirc DSL has additional support for various ways of booting	Apr 28 17:06
MinceR	not sure about TinyCore	Apr 28 17:06
sebsebseb	MinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi she said I could witch over to Linux	Apr 28 17:07
sebsebseb	after a back up	Apr 28 17:07
sebsebseb	,but no back up been done	Apr 28 17:07
sebsebseb	and she carires on using the ocmputer like normal email etc etc	Apr 28 17:07
MinceR	that will lead to data loss eventually	Apr 28 17:07
*sebsebseb is trying to get a ISO burnt to DVD to try out on the computer, but isues		Apr 28 17:07
sebsebseb	MinceR: Internet was offline earlier well the wirelss was down	Apr 28 17:08
DaemonFC	It's almost impossible for Microsoft to patch large parts of Windows and assure people that the same exact exploit won't surface again.	Apr 28 17:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: sine osmeone had msesed it up, and she wanted it on so badly, so she could email smeone	Apr 28 17:08
sebsebseb	now back on and well	Apr 28 17:08
DaemonFC	So, some of those hotfixes are patching basically the same exploit 5-6 times.	Apr 28 17:08
MinceR	could have used a liveusb or something temporarily	Apr 28 17:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: how are you meant to get your not so technicl mother to understand	Apr 28 17:08
MinceR	dunno	Apr 28 17:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: the seurity risks enug hto see it as a priorit to sorto ut I don't knmow	Apr 28 17:08
MinceR	i bought a tablet for my mother :>	Apr 28 17:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: then she'll do some online shoping or something with it at this rate again to or something and hmm	Apr 28 17:09
sebsebseb	I guess once I got a working ISO from CD/DVD that works on there to be ued to install Linux from	Apr 28 17:09
sebsebseb	then I really start pushing the switch over idea or something I guess	Apr 28 17:09
sebsebseb	for now I am in limbo kind of untill sorted that out	Apr 28 17:10
sebsebseb	MinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi tis isn't like some Linux distro going EOL	Apr 28 17:10
sebsebseb	it's WIndows XP	Apr 28 17:10
sebsebseb	used b millions still	Apr 28 17:10
sebsebseb	a target	Apr 28 17:10
sebsebseb	when a LInux distro goes EOL it's like eh, well ok should ugprade really, butp robably going to be quite ok stil using online and such without updats really for quite some itme	Apr 28 17:11
MinceR	the hardware varies a lot, though	Apr 28 17:11
sebsebseb	MinceR: I should get my desktops sorted out maybe	Apr 28 17:11
sebsebseb	can't use my old burner	Apr 28 17:11
sebsebseb	the old CD/dvd WRITER for netbook nope dind't get far with burnig. this extenral blue ray not had luck either in Linux. I'll actsaully be trying WIndows 7 starter later on, to see if it's got anything to do with OS or not uh	Apr 28 17:12
MinceR	when the questions "does it have usb?" and "can it boot from cd?" pop up, you know you're potentially dealing with very old hardware :>	Apr 28 17:12
sebsebseb	well it can boot up form thse old Ubuntu 6.06 CD's still for example	Apr 28 17:12
sebsebseb	no problem	Apr 28 17:12
sebsebseb	it's not that it can't boot from CD/DVD	Apr 28 17:12
sebsebseb	it's that certian later versions of stuff isn't going to work, since the bug I am on about with syslinux or isolinux whiever one it was	Apr 28 17:13
MinceR	(and if both answers are "no", you're stuck with floppies :> )	Apr 28 17:13
sebsebseb	MinceR: I got on a interesitng aritlce/blog ost	Apr 28 17:13
sebsebseb	the other night	Apr 28 17:13
sebsebseb	about wel lsandboxing and such	Apr 28 17:13
sebsebseb	and how een doing that with WIndows XP woudn't be os secure really, beczue the kernel isn't secure	Apr 28 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.15-rc3 http://t.co/8yBQSxLeRd	Apr 28 17:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Out in the Open: Occupy Wall Street	Apr 28 17:17
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sebsebseb	MinceR: altough jut thought of it again	Apr 28 17:19
sebsebseb	MinceR: this is a moter who didn't know what bcc was	Apr 28 17:19
sebsebseb	MinceR: or cc	Apr 28 17:19
sebsebseb	that was the other evening	Apr 28 17:19
MinceR	most email users apparently don't know	Apr 28 17:27
MinceR	which is sad	Apr 28 17:27
schestowitz__	[19:37] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, What those videos that tell you what to say to the police don't tell you is that by saying any of that, you basically might as well be saying "Officer, please beat me up and then spend an hour tearing through my car, then make it legal later because the judge is an asshole, and throw in a resisting arrest charge as well, please."	Apr 28 17:28
schestowitz__	DaemonFC: depends on the case	Apr 28 17:28
schestowitz__	But it's usually them who record everything	Apr 28 17:28
schestowitz__	and they have control over what's used in a court	Apr 28 17:28
sebsebseb	MinceR: indeed computer basics?	Apr 28 17:28
MinceR	netiquette	Apr 28 17:29
sebsebseb	yeah	Apr 28 17:29
schestowitz__	gn	Apr 28 17:30
MinceR	o/	Apr 28 17:31
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msb__	Is this globe on tuxmachines supposed to show my location? Because it's not. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/63078/	Apr 28 18:28
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msb__	schestowitz__: But it is an excellent news site. Thanks, Roy and Rianne!	Apr 28 18:30
msb__	schestowitz__: Rianne's picture in the left-hand column is too dark. I thought it was a black silhouette until I turned the gamma way up. Yours I can see just fine.	Apr 28 18:32
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DaemonFC	I keep my software up to date. Why shouldn't I? It's not like buying the new version is going to cost me $150 and slow my computer down by 50%. It's not Microsoft software.	Apr 28 20:49
DaemonFC	I tried to see if I could get one of those Lemote systems at one point.	Apr 28 20:51
DaemonFC	It was going to cost a fortune and I would have to buy it from a seller in the UK and pay for further shipping to me. I decided that it wasn't worth the money or risk.	Apr 28 20:53
DaemonFC	You just can't seem to find them here at all.	Apr 28 20:53
DaemonFC	So, every computer I've ever used with GNU/Linux has been a system that was really intended for Windows, and seemed jury rigged in some way or another.	Apr 28 20:56
msb__	DaemonFC: Almost every (non-Mac) PC is designed for Windows. So what? Every Linux distro deals fine with PCs as they are. It doesn't matter whether they are that way to fit Windows. Linux isn't "jury-rigged", it's designed to work with computers the way they are. And it works great.	Apr 28 21:26
msb__	DaemonFC: Just get a PC with the cpu, ram, disk(s), etc., that you want, or buy a case, cpu, mobo, ram, disk(s) etc., that you want and assemble it yourself, which is easy. You can always ask here for help if you need it.	Apr 28 21:29
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msb__	DaemonFC: A good current choice is an AMD FX-8350, an appropriate ASUS mobo, 8GB of RAM, one or more WD 2TB Caviar Black disks.	Apr 28 21:35
msb__	DaemonFC: That will make a cheap, reliable screamer. I think it's the current sweet spot.	Apr 28 21:35
msb__	DaemonFC: Get a case with disk boxes that slide out and that have fans. Figure out how many 2TB drives you will ever need and get a case that can hold 50% more than that.	Apr 28 21:37
msb__	DaemonFC: Get an after-market heatsink-fan that has 1/8th inch spacing between the fins so you can blow dust out of it easily.	Apr 28 21:39
msb__	...for the cpu	Apr 28 21:39
msb__	DaemonFC: Every GNU/Linux distro will run on that just fine.	Apr 28 21:40
msb__	DaemonFC: Figure out the total wattage consumed by the various parts and get a power supply (sometimes they come with the case) that's rated for 150% of that, or even 200%.	Apr 28 21:48
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DaemonFC	The Mac PCs are amazingly even worse when you go to use GNU/Linux on them.	Apr 28 22:17
DaemonFC	I don't think it's possible to secure a computer that was designed around Windows as well as it should be secured.	Apr 28 22:18
DaemonFC	Mark Shuttleworth recently blogged about the firmware security problems that systems designed around Windows have.	Apr 28 22:18
DaemonFC	The problem is that it's where all the affordable hardware is because it's mass market hardware.	Apr 28 22:19
cubezzz	well that was odd	Apr 28 22:24
cubezzz	I somehow lost google toolbar, then find that google discontinued it	Apr 28 22:24
cubezzz	apparently it has disappeared from my hard drive	Apr 28 22:25
cubezzz	and now I've reinstalled this different google toolbar	Apr 28 22:25
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cubezzz	it's got some interesting options though	Apr 28 22:28
DaemonFC	Well, there's no really good reason not to be using Chromium anymore.	Apr 28 22:33
cubezzz	what if I have multiple systems with old gtk?	Apr 28 22:41
cubezzz	it's not going to work with chromium	Apr 28 22:41
cubezzz	I'm not even sure the google toolbar was open source	Apr 28 22:42
cubezzz	I give every company a big thumbs down for endless forced upgrades	Apr 28 22:47
cubezzz	mozilla could have kept making gtk1 builds, but they choose not to	Apr 28 22:49
cubezzz	now I don't think they even bother with gtk2 builds	Apr 28 22:50
cubezzz	and a lot of google's stuff is here today and gone tomorrow	Apr 28 22:50
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msb__	cubezzz: Firefox just did an upgrade from version 28.0 to 29.0 today. I haven't got it yet because I haven't restarted Firefox.	Apr 28 23:42
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msb__	I'm afraid my whole personality may change. I may not be the same person anymore. Too much Ghost in the Shell!	Apr 28 23:43
msb__	cubezzz: You are right. We should all go back to using Unix v.7 or something that we can understand the source code of. Good old blocky graphics!	Apr 28 23:50
DaemonFC	<cubezzz> I give every company a big thumbs down for endless forced upgrades	Apr 28 23:51
msb__	If we can understand it, they can't change it without our knowing it. GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!	Apr 28 23:51
DaemonFC	The forced upgrades are only necessary because some people never update their software.	Apr 28 23:51
DaemonFC	Web browsers are a gigantic threat to the user if they're out of date, so automatic upgrades are a way of keeping users safe, in spite of themselves.	Apr 28 23:52
DaemonFC	Also, it keeps the Chrome platform from fragmenting so badly that web developers don't even know what to do.	Apr 28 23:52
DaemonFC	Imagine if some significant percentage of users were using each of the last 34 versions of Chrome.	Apr 28 23:53
DaemonFC	That would be disastrous.	Apr 28 23:53
msb__	But what if Google makes a mistake in the auto-update, and everyone in the whole world goes insane at the same time?	Apr 28 23:54
DaemonFC	I don't think that has happened.	Apr 28 23:54
msb__	Then we would be defenseless against an alien attack	Apr 28 23:54
msb__	!	Apr 28 23:54
DaemonFC	On GNU/Linux, you don't get forced to upgrade Chrome anyway.	Apr 28 23:55
DaemonFC	It uses your distribution's package manager.	Apr 28 23:55
DaemonFC	I can't think of a good reason to be using an old version of Chrome.	Apr 28 23:55
msb__	Not on my machine. I'm getting Firefox directly.	Apr 28 23:55
msb__	It's just in my account, not in with the system software.	Apr 28 23:56
cubezzz	msb_, my idea isn't to go back to unix v7	Apr 28 23:56
cubezzz	my idea is to run multiple eras of operating systems, using emulators if necessary	Apr 28 23:56
msb__	cubezzz: So if one of them explodes, the others should still work.	Apr 28 23:57
DaemonFC	http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963	Apr 28 23:57
DaemonFC	LOL	Apr 28 23:57
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cubezzz	the other eras include unix v6, v7, 2.11bsd, 4.3bsd, fc1 (along with other incarnations of fedora), vector linux, etc	Apr 28 23:58
cubezzz	msb__, yes, that's one of the main ideas!	Apr 28 23:58
DaemonFC	So, OpenSSL is a godawful mess and this exploit has caused people to notice.	Apr 28 23:59
cubezzz	versatility is important	Apr 28 23:59
DaemonFC	And now it will be fixed (as LibreSSL).	Apr 28 23:59
cubezzz	openssl is a good example, since I also run multiple versions of openssl	Apr 29 00:00
DaemonFC	Hopefully, distributions will kick OpenSSL out as soon as it becomes practical to do that.	Apr 29 00:00
msb__	We should have backup cyberbrains too, in case we get ghost-hacked.	Apr 29 00:00
cubezzz	some versions I run predate the heart-bleed bug	Apr 29 00:00
DaemonFC	Why would you ever want your SSL library to be developed by people who take security seriously? :)	Apr 29 00:00
DaemonFC	yeah, but with that much stupid shit in there, you don't know what _else_ could be wrong....	Apr 29 00:01
DaemonFC	From what I understand, the LibreSSL team has been deleting code that was specific to ancient platforms that nobody other than maybe a hobbyist would be running on anything anyway.	Apr 29 00:02
DaemonFC	Like, Windows 9x, OS 2 Warp 4 (1996), and Mac OS 9 (2001).	Apr 29 00:02
msb__	Software complexity may increase beyond our brains' ability to deal with it.	Apr 29 00:05
msb__	This may be the answer to the Fermi Paradox -- Where Is Everybody?	Apr 29 00:06
msb__	Their software progressed to the level where it destroyed them!	Apr 29 00:06
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cubezzz	well it's not necessary to know every line of code	Apr 29 00:07
cubezzz	as long as you understand things well enough to fix problems which arise	Apr 29 00:08
msb__	We must all go back to PC-DOS immediately, or we're DOOMED!	Apr 29 00:08
msb__	There are a few alien civilizations who realized this, and have survived.	Apr 29 00:09
cubezzz	ha	Apr 29 00:10
msb__	They're broadcasting on Dark-RF.	Apr 29 00:10
msb__	If they see from our RF emissions that we've dropped back to a safe level, they'll invite us to join them.	Apr 29 00:10
cubezzz	I've studied fc1 for a long time and there's still lots of it I haven't looked at	Apr 29 00:11
msb__	Help us cubezzz, you're our only hope!	Apr 29 00:11
cubezzz	I do help :)	Apr 29 00:11
cubezzz	I try to... not many people listen to me	Apr 29 00:12
cubezzz	about 20% of my customers have at least one linux computer	Apr 29 00:13
msb__	The ones who don't will be turned into zombies and eat each others' brains when the software-apocalypse comes!	Apr 29 00:13
cubezzz	this is worth reading:	Apr 29 00:13
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts.txt	Apr 29 00:13
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cubezzz	oops	Apr 29 00:14
msb__	OMG, it's got you too!!!	Apr 29 00:15
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts1.txt	Apr 29 00:15
cubezzz	portable libraries are obviously important	Apr 29 00:16
cubezzz	this goes back to Thompson's ideas	Apr 29 00:17
msb__	So Dillo doesn't do Javascript?	Apr 29 00:17
cubezzz	that's right	Apr 29 00:18
msb__	It's like you don't need a window manager that does wibble-wobble windows. I get along fine without them.	Apr 29 00:19
cubezzz	I like mwm and icewm	Apr 29 00:20
msb__	Good solid opaque windows are fine!	Apr 29 00:20
cubezzz	kde 3.5.10 is the heaviest one I use	Apr 29 00:20
msb__	That's what I use too. It's the best!	Apr 29 00:20
cubezzz	I do use kalzium and kstars from time to time	Apr 29 00:20
msb__	KDE4 is an abomination!	Apr 29 00:20
cubezzz	there's two schisms (maybe even more) in KDE-land	Apr 29 00:21
cubezzz	the original KDE 1.0 guys hated version 2	Apr 29 00:22
cubezzz	and a lot of KDE 3 guys didn't like KDE 4	Apr 29 00:22
cubezzz	the interesting thing is KDE 3 can run all of the KDE 1 applications	Apr 29 00:22
msb__	I use some KDE4 apps because they've been improved, like Konversation right now.	Apr 29 00:23
cubezzz	so you're running KDE 4 applications on KDE 3?	Apr 29 00:23
msb__	Just a few. Konsole too, and the System Monitor.	Apr 29 00:24
cubezzz	I still use xchat a lot	Apr 29 00:24
msb__	I hope the KDE4 loonies don't "improve" them so they stop working in KDE3.	Apr 29 00:25
msb__	They might, though. Some of them are really vindictive.	Apr 29 00:26
cubezzz	I saved some KDE 1 orphaned programs	Apr 29 00:27
cubezzz	mainly krubik	Apr 29 00:27
msb__	There's a German guy who keeps harassing the Trinity project and telling them to quit.	Apr 29 00:27
DaemonFC	Kevin Kofler and Rex Dieter summed up the Trinity project pretty well.	Apr 29 00:28
cubezzz	the thing is, a lot of the old KDE folks did actually quit	Apr 29 00:28
msb__	DaemonFC: ?	Apr 29 00:28
cubezzz	so it's up to people like us to keep stuff alive	Apr 29 00:28
DaemonFC	Kofler said "Trinity is an international team of developers called Timothy Pearson."	Apr 29 00:28
msb__	Blessings be upon him!	Apr 29 00:29
DaemonFC	and Dieter noted that there's fewer developers of Trinity than the kwin window manager has in KDE 4.	Apr 29 00:29
cubezzz	msb__, you really can't kill software	Apr 29 00:29
DaemonFC	Oh, I just think that Trinity has been done wrong.	Apr 29 00:29
DaemonFC	That tqt garbage is a prime example.	Apr 29 00:30
cubezzz	programmers can quit... but some crazy people can come along and resurrect stuff	Apr 29 00:30
DaemonFC	He could have just ported it to Qt4 more easily than implementing the tqt layer.	Apr 29 00:30
DaemonFC	and the performance of tqt is not great	Apr 29 00:30
DaemonFC	Then again, nobody is forcing anyone to use it.	Apr 29 00:31
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cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-with-plan9.png	Apr 29 00:31
DaemonFC	Crazy is the right word for that project though.	Apr 29 00:31
cubezzz	ho ho ho :)	Apr 29 00:31
msb__	DaemonFC: Computer speed is increasing fast enough that an extra software layer doesn't cause any visible slowdown.	Apr 29 00:31
DaemonFC	Most of the reasons for forking KDE 3 are basically gone.	Apr 29 00:31
cubezzz	sacrilege!	Apr 29 00:32
cubezzz	software should run well on slower machines	Apr 29 00:32
DaemonFC	msb__, Even the cheapest computers on the market over the last 5 years will all run KDE 4.13 just fine.	Apr 29 00:32
DaemonFC	You can run it on a motherboard that costs $30 and an APU that costs $50.	Apr 29 00:33
cubezzz	DaemonFC, I'll have you know I scored some DD 3.5" disks a while back :)	Apr 29 00:33
cubezzz	so five years is nothing	Apr 29 00:33
msb__	DaemonFC: Really? And how do you use 20 virtual desktops in KDE4 when the desktop names in the desktop pager are unreadable?	Apr 29 00:33
DaemonFC	I've never needed that many virtual desktops.	Apr 29 00:34
msb__	I have many interests. It's great to have a separate desktop for my website, mail, Linux, bash scripts, C programs, sci-fi, etc.	Apr 29 00:35
cubezzz	imagine some old guy who uses his computer to write the odd letters and play solitaire	Apr 29 00:35
cubezzz	are you going to tell him "upgrade to windows 8.1"?	Apr 29 00:35
cubezzz	hell no	Apr 29 00:35
msb__	Each one has several konsoles with mc in them, each pointing to the relevant directories in my filesystem.	Apr 29 00:36
DaemonFC	Those super cheap AMD APUs have pictures of the Internet Explorer and Microsoft Office icons on the box, but they have perfectly good open source support in GNU/Linux.	Apr 29 00:36
DaemonFC	if you can make it past the box without barfing :)	Apr 29 00:36
cubezzz	his CP/M machine with a dot matrix would do the job in that case	Apr 29 00:36
DaemonFC	office suites are notorious for their bloat	Apr 29 00:36
DaemonFC	and if you don't use a bloated office suite, then some fuckface out there will send you documents that crash it	Apr 29 00:37
DaemonFC	:)	Apr 29 00:37
cubezzz	there's google docs	Apr 29 00:37
msb__	DaemonFC: So I can switch between my various mind activities in an instant, and my desktops are not crowded with stuff unnecessary to the particular activity.	Apr 29 00:37
cubezzz	you don't have to use a "bloated office suite"	Apr 29 00:38
DaemonFC	yeah, Google Docs even runs on those really cheap chromebooks	Apr 29 00:38
cubezzz	is bloat some perverse badge of honour these days?	Apr 29 00:38
cubezzz	what is wrong with programmers these days	Apr 29 00:39
DaemonFC	https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-windows_install/future-windows-xp-activation-support/8b64edf7-8146-e011-9bac-78e7d160ad4e?msgId=bae49a41-9b46-e011-90b6-1cc1de79d2e2	Apr 29 00:39
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DaemonFC	"Microsoft will also support the activation of Windows XP throughout its life and will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end of the product's lifecycle so users would no longer be required to activate the product."	Apr 29 00:40
DaemonFC	Did they ever release that update?	Apr 29 00:40
msb__	no bloat --> no "improvement" --> no justification for programmer existence --> no jobs --> no pizza and chinese food!	Apr 29 00:40
cubezzz	I had a funny thought years ago...	Apr 29 00:41
cubezzz	I thought, "wow, these 386's are so powerful. Who needs that much computing power?"	Apr 29 00:41
cubezzz	now folks are junking core duo's	Apr 29 00:42
DaemonFC	Well, if nothing else, you could just use a cracked version of XP.	Apr 29 00:42
cubezzz	hardly an ideal situation though	Apr 29 00:42
DaemonFC	Since there's no more updates for anyone, it's not like they're going to release a new kill switch.	Apr 29 00:42
cubezzz	you're better off the microsoft teat	Apr 29 00:42
DaemonFC	yeah	Apr 29 00:43
DaemonFC	eventually, drivers won't be available for new hardware	Apr 29 00:43
DaemonFC	then it will be impossible to use XP on newer systems	Apr 29 00:43
msb__	The only time I've used microsoft in the las 14 years was when my pooter went blooey and I had to research parts for a new one on the Web, so I borrowed a neighbor's laptop.	Apr 29 00:44
DaemonFC	At some point, it's likely that the software will start drying up as well.	Apr 29 00:44
DaemonFC	I remember the original Windows XP.	Apr 29 00:44
DaemonFC	People really despised it.	Apr 29 00:44
cubezzz	I still support on win95 box :)	Apr 29 00:44
cubezzz	that customer pays well :)	Apr 29 00:44
msb__	And he should!	Apr 29 00:45
cubezzz	msb__, I think my multiple computer idea would have saved you from using windows in that situation	Apr 29 00:45
DaemonFC	Windows 95 wasn't so bad.	Apr 29 00:45
DaemonFC	Windows 98 was.	Apr 29 00:45
cubezzz	disconnected from the net, sure	Apr 29 00:46
msb__	DaemonFC: You've ignored what I wrote above. Before KDE4 came out, many Linux users said that multiple desktops are one of the most important features of Linux to them.	Apr 29 00:46
cubezzz	I think you'll find if you do what I do...i.e. run multiple computers, that multiple desktops is less critical	Apr 29 00:48
msb__	cubezzz: You're right. If this computer keeps crashing (which it hasn't for a while now -- I think it was a problem with Firefox), and I build an FX-8350 system as I outlined, I'll keep this old dual-core machine functional.	Apr 29 00:48
DaemonFC	msb__, I noticed that Unity doesn't even have virtual desktops enabled by default.	Apr 29 00:49
DaemonFC	You have to change an appearance setting to activate that.	Apr 29 00:49
DaemonFC	If you want more than 4, you need to use unity tweak tool.	Apr 29 00:49
DaemonFC	Canonical did seem to fix all of the really aggravating Unity bugs though.	Apr 29 00:49
cubezzz	even icewm supports 4 desktops by default	Apr 29 00:50
DaemonFC	The only problem is that the dash brings up so much irrelevant shit	Apr 29 00:50
DaemonFC	It's your worst nightmare if you have Attention Deficit Disorder.	Apr 29 00:50
msb__	Somehow I have never found a need to use Ubuntu at all, ever.	Apr 29 00:50
cubezzz	I run plan 9, bsd and linux (and various eras of linux)	Apr 29 00:51
cubezzz	I still run a lot of old games from the redhat 6.1 era	Apr 29 00:53
cubezzz	some stuff is even older than that	Apr 29 00:54
msb__	With Plan 9 you're safe from solarbonite (sp?).	Apr 29 00:56
cubezzz	so there's a lot of stuff to contend with: various kernels, various wms, tons of different gcc versions, code that will only compile on with specific versions of libraries	Apr 29 00:56
cubezzz	not to mention old v6 code that only compiles on a specific version of unix v6!	Apr 29 00:56
msb__	cubezzz: Someday the entire human civilization may come to you to save us.	Apr 29 00:57
msb__	Software may reach a singularity and decide not to be used by humans at all!	Apr 29 00:59
cubezzz	well I wrote a bit about contaminated soil (due to trichloroethylene)	Apr 29 00:59
cubezzz	it's needed for some of the chip fabrication processes	Apr 29 01:00
cubezzz	hence my idea of using old computers to try to reduce pollution	Apr 29 01:00
msb__	We must also eliminate dry-cleaning!	Apr 29 01:00
msb__	For the sake of the children!	Apr 29 01:00
cubezzz	I guess dry cleaning uses trichloroethylene?	Apr 29 01:01
cubezzz	that wouldn't surprise me	Apr 29 01:01
DaemonFC	oh, awesome	Apr 29 01:02
DaemonFC	I found some more themes.	Apr 29 01:02
DaemonFC	I hate orange.	Apr 29 01:02
cubezzz	well it messes with your lungs if you inhale the vapours from it	Apr 29 01:02
DaemonFC	https://launchpad.net/~noobslab/+archive/themes?field.series_filter=trusty	Apr 29 01:03
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DaemonFC	They have ambiance radiance colors.	Apr 29 01:03
DaemonFC	Until something better comes out, this will at least get rid of that horrible orange.	Apr 29 01:03
msb__	Apparantly dry-cleaners have now switched to tetrachloroethylene. Even worse!	Apr 29 01:03
msb__	Apparently someone wants to have a chlorine atmosphere.	Apr 29 01:04
cubezzz	I can't evolve that fast! :)	Apr 29 01:05
cubezzz	I'm not sure how bad air pollution is around here	Apr 29 01:06
cubezzz	no one is really talking about it	Apr 29 01:06
cubezzz	I guess all the cars cause a lot of the air pollution, there's not much doubt about that	Apr 29 01:08
msb__	Like The Arrival http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115571/	Apr 29 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| The Arrival (1996) - IMDb		Apr 29 01:08
msb__	If you see someone whose knees bend the wrong way...	Apr 29 01:09
msb__	They killed Lindsay Crouse! They must never be forgiven!	Apr 29 01:10
cubezzz	a climatologist I think, or at least played that part	Apr 29 01:11
msb__	Yes!	Apr 29 01:11
msb__	She was also in House of Games -- excellent!	Apr 29 01:12
msb__	She got the best of Joe Mantegna in a David Mamet movie!	Apr 29 01:13
DaemonFC	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/indiana-common-core-replacement_n_5228212.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013	Apr 29 01:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com \| Indiana Approves Common Core Replacement Standards [ http://ur1.ca/h7fkd ]		Apr 29 01:14
DaemonFC	msb__, The Ultra Low Sulfur Gasoline regulation is going to cause a lot of GHG emissions.	Apr 29 01:14
DaemonFC	Of course, the European Union already has those standards.	Apr 29 01:15
DaemonFC	Ours won't finish phasing in for several more years.	Apr 29 01:15
DaemonFC	It's going to require a lot of extra processing to remove the last bit of sulfur.	Apr 29 01:15
msb__	What's the purpose? Is a little SOx so bad?	Apr 29 01:16
DaemonFC	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-28/epa-said-poised-to-issue-lower-sulfur-limits-on-fuel.html	Apr 29 01:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com \| EPA Said Poised to Issue Lower Sulfur Limits on Fuel - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/h7fkz ]		Apr 29 01:17
DaemonFC	Oh, the new rules match California's.	Apr 29 01:17
DaemonFC	That's nice.	Apr 29 01:17
DaemonFC	California has some of the highest gasoline prices in the country.	Apr 29 01:17
msb__	Fortunately I never go anywhere.	Apr 29 01:18
DaemonFC	Indiana has some of the highest prices in the midwest, but that's mostly because the state gasoline tax is so fucking high.	Apr 29 01:18
DaemonFC	Someone that I know was going to Florida and back. I told him to gas up in Tennessee on his way back.	Apr 29 01:19
DaemonFC	They're like 60 cents a gallon cheaper than Indiana.	Apr 29 01:19
DaemonFC	"It screws up the mufflers, it screws up the catalytic converters, and it screws up a lot of other things, too."	Apr 29 01:21
DaemonFC	Yeah, but it also lubricates parts of the engine.	Apr 29 01:21
msb__	You can save a lot of money by just eating some beans, sticking a hose up your butt, and piping the methane directly into the carbureter.	Apr 29 01:22
msb__	DaemonFC: What does, SOx?	Apr 29 01:23
DaemonFC	yeah	Apr 29 01:23
DaemonFC	So, removing it will cause increased engine wear.	Apr 29 01:23
msb__	Weird!	Apr 29 01:23
msb__	And increased car mfr profits!	Apr 29 01:24
DaemonFC	right	Apr 29 01:24
DaemonFC	the last thing they want is for cars to last 30 years like they used to	Apr 29 01:24
DaemonFC	you're lucky to get 10-15 out of them now	Apr 29 01:24
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DaemonFC	Their goal is a disposable car where you don't have a $2,000 used car market or people driving them for 20 years without a payment.	Apr 29 01:25
DaemonFC	They want them to last about as long as the payments.	Apr 29 01:26
msb__	Like MS putting Windows on subscription.	Apr 29 01:26
DaemonFC	Yeah. My car is 18 years old and it still runs just fine.	Apr 29 01:26
DaemonFC	I don't ever plan on selling it for anything other than scrap metal 10 years from now. :P	Apr 29 01:26
cubezzz	msb__, can you imagine paying $$$ to microsoft every month? horrible!	Apr 29 01:27
DaemonFC	That's their goal.	Apr 29 01:27
msb__	Not as bad as using Windows!	Apr 29 01:27
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DaemonFC	The way I hear it, their plan is to give away some horribly limited version of Windows "for free" and use the product activation system to sell you subscriptions to a la carte features.	Apr 29 01:27
DaemonFC	One can only imagine....	Apr 29 01:28
cubezzz	I can imagine it	Apr 29 01:28
DaemonFC	Maybe the ability to play video games requires a DirectX subscription.	Apr 29 01:28
msb__	If I even think about using Windows, it starts to sap and impurify my precious bodily fluids!	Apr 29 01:29
Sosumi	there are sometimes that requires you to use windows anyways	Apr 29 01:30
msb__	Not me, brother!	Apr 29 01:31
Sosumi	cad/cam and 3d are for sure the only things I see	Apr 29 01:31
Sosumi	*somethings	Apr 29 01:31
DaemonFC	Shouldn't that at least work on Wine?	Apr 29 01:32
Sosumi	film production too	Apr 29 01:32
Sosumi	no cuda with wine	Apr 29 01:32
msb__	I programmed 3D on a LINC computer with 1K of RAM.	Apr 29 01:32
msb__	One of the analog knobs adjusted for interocular distance.	Apr 29 01:33
msb__	Made nice 3D graphs of experiment data.	Apr 29 01:34
cubezzz	msb__, how if you were using a LINC for IRC I would be truly impressed :)	Apr 29 01:37
cubezzz	s/how/now/	Apr 29 01:37
msb__	No Net back then.	Apr 29 01:38
cubezzz	Sosumi, lots of films used Linux rendering farms	Apr 29 01:38
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cubezzz	Houdini is proprietary but it does have a linux version	Apr 29 01:40
msb__	cubezzz: I did write a terminal emulator in BASIC that ran in PC-DOS, for talking with a BSD system I had an account on.	Apr 29 01:40
cubezzz	msb__, which BSD?	Apr 29 01:40
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msb__	I don't remember. It was used at University of California, San Francisco in the '80s, IIRC.	Apr 29 01:41
cubezzz	4.X BSD probably	Apr 29 01:42
msb__	Charged by the minute, and didn't stop charging even when the modem connection got broken. I ended up refusing to pay for that.	Apr 29 01:43
msb__	I think I logged off, but it kept charging me.	Apr 29 01:43
msb__	But I had my little account, and could do command-line stuff. It was great!	Apr 29 01:47
msb__	Pipelines! I eventually transferred some scripts to my Linux system when I got that.	Apr 29 01:49
msb__	Sometimes I can't remember whether I did something in Philadelphia or San Francisco. The timelines get fuzzy.	Apr 29 01:50
msb__	I think I live mostly in my mind.	Apr 29 01:51
msb__	One of the reasons why having multiple desktops is so important. I'm really a cyborg, connected to the computer via screen and keyboard.	Apr 29 01:52
msb__	That's why Ghost in the Shell seems so real to me.	Apr 29 01:53
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msb__	Wow, there's an episode of Futurama where they overclock Bender, to make him smarter -- Overclockwise!	Apr 29 02:06
msb__	The evil Mother, of Mom's Robots, doesn't want this knowledge to get out, because then people will stop buying her newer, slightly faster, robots.	Apr 29 02:14
msb__	Like IBM. Move a couple of jumpers, and your computer runs twice as fast.	Apr 29 02:15
cubezzz	IBM is pretty much out of the PC game now	Apr 29 02:53
msb__	This was in its mainframes.	Apr 29 02:55
cubezzz	which ones?	Apr 29 02:55
cubezzz	I used to work on 4341's	Apr 29 02:55
msb__	Sorry, don't know.	Apr 29 02:55
cubezzz	there was the IBM 9370 which was a baby mainframe	Apr 29 02:59
cubezzz	ran VM/SP and VM/IS	Apr 29 02:59
cubezzz	DEC was more open than IBM was	Apr 29 03:01
cubezzz	not to say that DEC was totally open, it wasn't	Apr 29 03:01
cubezzz	DEC was also very slow warming up to Unix	Apr 29 03:04
msb__	https://www.google.com/search?num=100&lr=&safe=images&as_qdr=all&q=jumper+ibm+mainframe+speed&oq=jumper+ibm+mainframe+speed&gs_l=serp.3...32669.37643.0.38255.15.14.0.0.0.2.161.1664.2j12.14.0....0...1c.1.42.serp..7.8.874.mGWewlhQlEs	Apr 29 03:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.com \| jumper ibm mainframe speed - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/h7g5w ]		Apr 29 03:04
*amarsh04 met Jon "maddog" Hall back in 1994 when he worked for DEC		Apr 29 03:05
msb__	Sorry, wrong url. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.folklore.computers/lZy6zvmxLjc	Apr 29 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com \| Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/h7g6f ]		Apr 29 03:07
cubezzz	nice to see an old DEC guy converting over to Linux	Apr 29 03:07
cubezzz	it's not like the 4341 was a power-house, but it did have 16 megs of ram which at the time was a lot	Apr 29 03:10
amarsh04	yes, was quite fun at the AUUG '94 conference, I met Dennis Ritchie and heard Linus Torvalds speak also	Apr 29 03:10
cubezzz	oh cool	Apr 29 03:11
amarsh04	met Gene Spafford also	Apr 29 03:11
cubezzz	I guess you were into Linux pretty early on	Apr 29 03:11
amarsh04	didn't start running it until the mid 2000s though, learned it at Adelaide University as a staff member in the early 2000s	Apr 29 03:13
cubezzz	I still have my darkstar notes	Apr 29 03:14
amarsh04	was fun downloading a Debian net install image over dial-up	Apr 29 03:15
cubezzz	Darkstar... 0.99	Apr 29 03:15
amarsh04	the pc had a cyrix cpu and 48 Meg of RAM	Apr 29 03:16
cubezzz	I even know which computer I had back then	Apr 29 03:18
amarsh04	must head out...	Apr 29 03:18
cubezzz	ok, laterz	Apr 29 03:18
cubezzz	486-DX40 with 4 megs of ram :)	Apr 29 03:18
msb__	cubezzz: that second url points to a page with many examples of speed/feature alteration of expensive computers by moving jumpers, flipping secret switches, etc.	Apr 29 03:32
cubezzz	yes, this link was on that page: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html	Apr 29 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.garlic.com \| Old EMAIL Index-- Anne & Lynn Wheeler		Apr 29 03:33
cubezzz	interesting stuff in there	Apr 29 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux certification site sends wrong message	Apr 29 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/59SnkkrLAu	Apr 29 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gc2	Apr 29 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GCC Ada Now Supports 64-bit ARM	Apr 29 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6bkFyCEx6g	Apr 29 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gc3	Apr 29 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux certification site sends wrong message \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GCC Ada Now Supports 64-bit ARM \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 03:33
DaemonFC	Recent versions of FreeBSD finally seem to support recent Radeon cards properly, at least.	Apr 29 03:46
msb__	cubezzz: Here's a huge amount of free source code from CACM (maybe in ALGOL!) and elsewhere: http://www.netlib.org/ http://www.netlib.org/liblist.html http://www.netlib.org/master/expanded_liblist.html	Apr 29 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org \| The Netlib		Apr 29 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org \| Netlib at The Univ. of Tennessee and ORNL		Apr 29 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org \| Netlib Master Index [ http://ur1.ca/h7gej ]		Apr 29 03:46
DaemonFC	For a long time, they relied on old problematic code that AMD stopped maintaining several years ago.	Apr 29 03:46
DaemonFC	So, progress basically got frozen at the level of support that GNU/Linux had for those cards around about early 2009.	Apr 29 03:47
DaemonFC	Their answer was to buy Nvidia cards and use their proprietary driver.	Apr 29 03:47
DaemonFC	When you do shit like this, don't be surprised when nobody takes you seriously.	Apr 29 03:49
DaemonFC	:)	Apr 29 03:49
cubezzz	well anyone can download stuff from http://www.x.org	Apr 29 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org \| xorg		Apr 29 03:56
cubezzz	openbsd is using 7.7	Apr 29 04:05
cubezzz	the Xorg folks tossed out a lot of code too	Apr 29 04:08
cubezzz	if there's no maintainer for it... it goes out the door	Apr 29 04:08
DaemonFC	https://www.xkcd.com/1337/	Apr 29 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xkcd.com \| xkcd: Hack		Apr 29 04:13
DaemonFC	cubezzz, the problem wasn't x.org, it was the kernel stuff.	Apr 29 04:13
DaemonFC	Kernel Mode Setting was designed for Linux.	Apr 29 04:13
cubezzz	openbsd 5.4 has it too	Apr 29 04:14
cubezzz	it was added not too long ago	Apr 29 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now	Apr 29 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Download http://t.co/mMC8MbIGcP	Apr 29 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gjt	Apr 29 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [ANNOUNCE] xf86-input-evdev 2.8.99.1	Apr 29 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9dLaTy2wuk	Apr 29 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gju	Apr 29 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu, Red Hat, and the Good Samaritan	Apr 29 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8xTKjdS492	Apr 29 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gjv	Apr 29 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now Available for Download \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| [ANNOUNCE] xf86-input-evdev 2.8.99.1 \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu, Red Hat, and the Good Samaritan \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 04:21
DaemonFC	I'm using Ubuntu again because it seems to have gotten better.	Apr 29 04:33
DaemonFC	I think their big problem is the damage that older versions of Unity did to their reputation.	Apr 29 04:33
DaemonFC	It was released well before it was ready. It should not have been in a LTS release at all.	Apr 29 04:34
MinceR	geekings	Apr 29 04:35
MinceR	meh, i just use #!	Apr 29 04:35
cubezzz	DaemonFC, I believe you can still compile newer stuff without kernel modesetting	Apr 29 04:38
cubezzz	it's an option	Apr 29 04:38
DaemonFC	nope	Apr 29 04:40
DaemonFC	userspace modesetting was deprecated years ago, and removed completely some months ago.	Apr 29 04:40
DaemonFC	it was never available for the RadeonHD 5000 series or newer at all.	Apr 29 04:40
DaemonFC	Novell's RadeonHD driver was UMS-only.	Apr 29 04:41
DaemonFC	Novell's developers also decided for some reason that they didn't like AtomBIOS.	Apr 29 04:42
cubezzz	well it's right in the configure	Apr 29 04:44
cubezzz	disable-kms	Apr 29 04:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4002735	Apr 29 04:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bluszcz@idoru.pl: ### "Think globally, act locally" by #Microsoft Poland free from #Political #correctness or sign or #racism? ;) One says that we #Polish we are racists ;) Other can say, that #americans are obsessed with idea #pc political correctness. Perhaps in Poland we are bit more 'relaxed' and perhaps the photo in first place didn't have black dude - perhaps they put it to fill some #US #law regulations ;) #black #poland #polsk		Apr 29 04:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> picup.it \| #PicUp Microsoft's "Think globally, act locally"		Apr 29 04:50
schestowitz__	Good point there about the possibility of inverted deletion, but I think it was well established at the time that Microsoft removed the black guy, not added him.	Apr 29 04:51
MinceR	it doesn't explain the white guy with black hands anyway	Apr 29 04:52
cubezzz	pics? :)	Apr 29 04:52
MinceR	https://picup.it/media/pictures/poland_hates_black_people.jpg	Apr 29 04:53
schestowitz__	msb__: thanks for the feedback on the site	Apr 29 04:53
schestowitz__	I showed it to here, we decided to redo the photos	Apr 29 04:53
schestowitz__	See the new ones at tuxmachines now	Apr 29 04:53
cubezzz	hahaha	Apr 29 04:53
cubezzz	oh wow	Apr 29 04:54
MinceR	this? >> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/605/806/3a1.jpg	Apr 29 04:54
cubezzz	hey that's edited	Apr 29 04:56
cubezzz	you can't fool me :)	Apr 29 04:56
cubezzz	funny though	Apr 29 04:57
MinceR	fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, ...you can't fool me twice!	Apr 29 04:57
cubezzz	what he said was more like "ha! ha! ha! ... The Moon!" etc	Apr 29 04:58
msb__	schestowitz__: Somewhat better. I guess she just has a dark skin tone. Is the globe on the about page supposed to show my location?	Apr 29 04:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4002735	Apr 29 05:03
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 05:03
schestowitz__	Yes, for 100% you are right - Poland is not HQ of microsoft and pretty sure they got materials from the central....	Apr 29 05:03
schestowitz__	However, this is stupidity of MS in poland - even if the multi colorful ethnic photo didn't fit to poland reality - they should just take other photo instead of doing this.	Apr 29 05:03
schestowitz__	But I don't like also this '3 colors' pc idea...	Apr 29 05:03
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 05:03
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schestowitz__	"More often than not, the only people who usually care about race are bigger racists than the people they are accusing of being racists."	Apr 29 05:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Shows Off Beema & Mullins But Its Linux	Apr 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	Fate Is Unclear http://t.co/1KBFhAQF7P	Apr 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gvw	Apr 29 05:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD Shows Off Beema & Mullins But Its Linux Fate Is Unclear \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Improving The Linux Desktop	Apr 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HQdKarmy0Q	Apr 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gvx	Apr 29 05:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Improving The Linux Desktop \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx Server 1.16 ABI Breakage	Apr 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	Causes Concern http://t.co/MQvPkQNUX1	Apr 29 05:13
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7gvy	Apr 29 05:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| X.Org Server 1.16 ABI Breakage Causes Concern \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 05:13
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Sosumi	render farms yes	Apr 29 05:47
Sosumi	but editing software is mostly windows only	Apr 29 05:47
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cubezzz	Pixar ported all of it's internal software to Linux	Apr 29 05:53
cubezzz	it's just code	Apr 29 05:54
cubezzz	some places went from Irix to Linux	Apr 29 05:54
Sosumi	pixar...	Apr 29 05:55
Sosumi	I meant it as commercially available software	Apr 29 05:55
Sosumi	3dmax, cinema 4d	Apr 29 05:55
Sosumi	one is windows only and the other windows and osx	Apr 29 05:56
Sosumi	maya is the only one that runs on the three platforms	Apr 29 05:56
cubezzz	I assume you've heard of Houdini?	Apr 29 05:56
Sosumi	for cad/cam only siemens nx runs on three platforms	Apr 29 05:56
Sosumi	I don't do that kind of 3d	Apr 29 05:57
Sosumi	just some cad/cam for instrumentation	Apr 29 05:57
schestowitz__	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/	Apr 29 05:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Top tip, power users – upgrading Ubuntu may knacker your Linux PC • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/h7hgi ]		Apr 29 05:57
schestowitz__	Wow, I missed that trolling	Apr 29 05:57
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/stevens_phil/status/461078341353615360	Apr 29 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stevens_phil: @schestowitz @SEEVed So all of us who actually were using personal computers before MS existed were having some sort of shared hallucination		Apr 29 05:58
schestowitz__	Based on revisionists (well paid BTW), Free software is "new" (actually was default before Jobs and Gates)	Apr 29 05:59
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461080763048292352	Apr 29 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And the link to Gavin's article on Munich's adoption of Kolab uses Karl Marx' likeness. http://t.co/oPjb3saUJi		Apr 29 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And the link to Gavin's article on Munich's adoption of Kolab uses Karl Marx' likeness. http://t.co/oPjb3saUJi		Apr 29 05:59
cubezzz	well, Ken Thompson did address that point a while back regarding free software	Apr 29 06:01
Sosumi	the issue of trusting trust	Apr 29 06:01
Sosumi	http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html	Apr 29 06:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cm.bell-labs.com \| ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust [ http://ur1.ca/be80 ]		Apr 29 06:01
cubezzz	he sent out 9 track mag tapes to people who wanted the code, but it wasn't expliciting "free software"	Apr 29 06:02
cubezzz	and before that you bought a machine worth major $$$ and you got the software 'free'	Apr 29 06:02
cubezzz	explicitly rather	Apr 29 06:03
cubezzz	after AT&T was broken up they were allowed to charge for software	Apr 29 06:04
cubezzz	so they kept charging more and more over time for unix	Apr 29 06:04
Sosumi	I know that mentality	Apr 29 06:04
Sosumi	my grandfather is the same	Apr 29 06:04
cubezzz	hmmm?	Apr 29 06:05
Sosumi	buy the machine and expect all the software or at least the OS to be there free	Apr 29 06:05
Sosumi	which isn't the case anymore	Apr 29 06:05
Sosumi	and on specialized systems it comes under the form of a subscription	Apr 29 06:06
Sosumi	that sometimes gets added to the total price of the machine	Apr 29 06:06
cubezzz	well yeah	Apr 29 06:06
Sosumi	it just depends on well you manage to negotiate the contract	Apr 29 06:07
Sosumi	*on how well	Apr 29 06:07
cubezzz	well you could assemble from parts, burn an iso and off you go	Apr 29 06:07
Sosumi	naaah	Apr 29 06:07
Sosumi	can't do that with power machines	Apr 29 06:07
cubezzz	you certainly can, I built my server from parts ages ago	Apr 29 06:08
Sosumi	power isn't available on retail	Apr 29 06:08
cubezzz	go to Tyan, buy whatever server motherboard you like	Apr 29 06:08
Sosumi	you need to get it directly from ibm	Apr 29 06:08
Sosumi	sparc would be the same, but I have no idea if oracle is still developing it	Apr 29 06:09
Sosumi	as for a vms system, you'd need to get it from hp, but itanium is dead	Apr 29 06:09
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/461084703336837121	Apr 29 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz @stevens_phil an example http://t.co/tkbHtGN6mP Hackers - wizards of the electronic age		Apr 29 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Hackers - Wizards of the Electronic Age - YouTube		Apr 29 06:10
Sosumi	for an arm server	Apr 29 06:10
Sosumi	you'd also need to get it from hp	Apr 29 06:10
Sosumi	or some other OEM that sell them	Apr 29 06:10
Sosumi	I did say "specialized"	Apr 29 06:10
schestowitz__	http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/apr/28/rupert-everett-london-soho-prostitution	Apr 29 06:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Rupert Everett: 'We've lost our London – and Soho is the last victim' \| Cities \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/h7hj2 ]		Apr 29 06:11
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4002353	Apr 29 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bluszcz@idoru.pl reshared: ### #Microsoft must release #email #data held on #Dublin #server *** A #judge in the #US has ordered Microsoft to hand over a #customer's emails, even though the data is held on a server in #Ireland. Microsoft has previously taken steps to reassure customers that data held on servers #abroad should not be subject to #search #warrants by US #authorities. It follows concerns about data #privacy after allegatio		Apr 29 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.com \| BBC News - Microsoft 'must release' data held on Dublin server [ http://ur1.ca/h7hl6 ]		Apr 29 06:21
schestowitz__	so when will Microsoft be forced to release the stolen money it stashed in Ireland? (tax evasion)	Apr 29 06:21
MinceR	once m$ is no longer in control of the us government :>	Apr 29 06:21
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/461087400605671426	Apr 29 06:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz @stevens_phil Apple and Microsoft's software would never have existed with out academic collaboration with free software		Apr 29 06:22
schestowitz__	MinceR: this is uk	Apr 29 06:22
schestowitz__	the little bro of the US	Apr 29 06:22
schestowitz__	used to be the opposite	Apr 29 06:22
schestowitz__	S even stole Canada from the UK	Apr 29 06:22
MinceR	oh, so it's taxes that should have been paid to the uk...	Apr 29 06:22
cubezzz	the older bro :)	Apr 29 06:22
schestowitz__	Canada (Harper) now takes order from the US	Apr 29 06:22
MinceR	then when it's no longer in control of the uk government	Apr 29 06:22
MinceR	"Airstrip One"	Apr 29 06:22
schestowitz__	I hope so	Apr 29 06:22
schestowitz__	BUT	Apr 29 06:22
schestowitz__	THis is not good news	Apr 29 06:23
schestowitz__	1. it shows abuses relating to surveillance	Apr 29 06:23
schestowitz__	2. it shows Microsoft as pretending to respect mail privacy, which is a lie	Apr 29 06:23
schestowitz__	it's bad on several sides	Apr 29 06:23
MinceR	what's new?	Apr 29 06:23
schestowitz__	I'd rather see UK gov going after MS for tax evasion	Apr 29 06:23
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461089084119977984	Apr 29 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz The more I read of it, the more I feel solitary confinement is unethical and a form of torture.		Apr 29 06:28
schestowitz__	https://pod.geraspora.de/uploads/images/scaled_full_0524d290dbc10981d57c.jpg	Apr 29 06:51
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schestowitz__	http://25.media.tumblr.com/1caccd9c2d7eca9921fcf5b4e86c5473/tumblr_n2rbp9sYeu1r3vhdfo1_500.gif	Apr 29 06:56
MinceR	ew	Apr 29 06:57
schestowitz__	That's what the dog said	Apr 29 07:01
MinceR	i doubt it	Apr 29 07:01
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4000920	Apr 29 07:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@riotboardgame@joindiaspora.com: *Protestor helps cop install VLC media player* ![](http://pasauliolietuvis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Kijevas_2013-11-24_b.jpg) #vlc #media #player #install		Apr 29 07:02
schestowitz__	LMAO	Apr 29 07:02
MinceR	for one thing, dogs eat their own vomit. and for another thing, they can't speak.	Apr 29 07:02
MinceR	oh, also, they sniff each other's asses.	Apr 29 07:02
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schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4000591	Apr 29 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@joebraun@diasp.org: So, #Obama says that mass executions in #Egypt would be a "dangerous precident". That oughta stop 'em.		Apr 29 07:10
schestowitz__	Said Mr. Drones	Apr 29 07:10
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/TheresaMay_MP/status/461016347787685888	Apr 29 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheresaMay_MP: How to get to work during a #tubestrike http://t.co/RnfY1ZWlCY		Apr 29 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheresaMay_MP: How to get to work during a #tubestrike http://t.co/RnfY1ZWlCY		Apr 29 07:29
schestowitz__	> Yeah. Time has a big reader base though. :( I used both BASIC and	Apr 29 07:44
schestowitz__	> Pascal and thought Pascal was all-around better for most things,	Apr 29 07:44
schestowitz__	> including learning. BASIC, however, had better support for low-res	Apr 29 07:44
schestowitz__	> graphics.	Apr 29 07:44
schestowitz__	>	Apr 29 07:44
schestowitz__	> Through attrition of other sources Gates boosters are slowly re-writing	Apr 29 07:44
schestowitz__	> history. Not only do sites disappear but old ones get corrupted (e.g.	Apr 29 07:44
schestowitz__	> slashdot and thereg)	Apr 29 07:44
schestowitz__	>	Apr 29 07:44
schestowitz__	> Pretty soon we'll have them claiming Bill invented the Internet.	Apr 29 07:45
schestowitz__	It all started when Microsoft invented Hotmail ;-) with BSD.	Apr 29 07:45
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Sosumi	didn't M$ buy hotmail?	Apr 29 08:38
MinceR	they did	Apr 29 08:40
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schestowitz__	that's why it's funny	Apr 29 09:09
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330	Apr 29 09:10
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 09:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #war		Apr 29 09:10
schestowitz__	"Bahareh Bisheh:	Apr 29 09:10
schestowitz__	This little girl is my cousin and she actually fell asleep on the asphalt just outside my house. She must have played for some time and just lied to rest and fell asleep. im used a chair to stand on in order to take this shot. There is no orphanage involved and no tragic story behind this. i took this opportunity to be creative. It is a style of photography You can use my photos in your webblag If you mention my name as the	Apr 29 09:10
schestowitz__	photographer of this photo. thanks to all for the consideration ."	Apr 29 09:10
schestowitz__	Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1i8k06/the_little_girl_has_never_seen_her_mother_so_she/	Apr 29 09:10
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 09:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The little girl has never seen her mother, so she drew a mom on the ground and fell asleep with her. Iraqi Orphanage. : pics [ http://ur1.ca/h7ikc ]		Apr 29 09:11
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/damianjread/status/461131056188768256	Apr 29 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@damianjread: Lol well said. "@schestowitz: @David_Cameron That's how strikes work. Without disruption there's no effect." Camerons #IvoryTower		Apr 29 09:13
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/461133123040722945	Apr 29 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrymccracken: @schestowitz I don't say that. I don't even say something sort of like this.		Apr 29 09:21
schestowitz__	It is implied by the latter parts.	Apr 29 09:21
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/461132883525390336	Apr 29 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@candtalan: .@clarecurranmp @schestowitz Clare hopefully you are aware of #Ubuntu? #french #chinese #everyone http://t.co/spqCtM7leq @omgubuntu		Apr 29 09:22
schestowitz__	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/13/raiders_of_the_lost_altair/	Apr 29 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Raiders of the Lost Altair BASIC Source Code • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/h7inw ]		Apr 29 09:24
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/461134328903532545	Apr 29 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@candtalan: .@TheresaMay_MP @schestowitz Mmm. Has Barbara Streisand visited there lately at all?		Apr 29 09:29
schestowitz__	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borland	Apr 29 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Borland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Apr 29 09:41
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/461134191166357504	Apr 29 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrymccracken: @schestowitz C'mon, you're being ridiculous and making claims about my article that have nothing to do with what I actually wrote.		Apr 29 09:41
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4000038	Apr 29 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Out in the Open: Occupy Wall Street Reincarnated as Open Source Software http://www.wired.com/2014/04/loomio/ #ows #freesw #freedom		Apr 29 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wired.com \| Out in the Open: Occupy Wall Street Reincarnated as Open Source Software \| Enterprise \| WIRED		Apr 29 09:44
schestowitz__	"I see almost no connection between Loomio and Occupy other than that they both made decisions - a pretty tenuous link at best."	Apr 29 09:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3998813	Apr 29 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shame on Google for making it so exceptionally hard to block ads in Chrome under Android. Firefox makes that simple. #google #surveillance		Apr 29 09:44
schestowitz__	"Mozilla is not an advertising company. Google is."	Apr 29 09:44
schestowitz__	Mozilla is becoming an advertising company though	Apr 29 09:44
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/the_other_jon/status/461144738687488000	Apr 29 10:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@the_other_jon: @schestowitz How do you get that from am article about BASIC?		Apr 29 10:08
schestowitz__	opwnashing of Microsoft BASIC, omission of criticism of Microsoft's actions at the time, etc.	Apr 29 10:09
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/phd9/status/461146972855222273 https://twitter.com/the_other_jon/status/461146995013345280 https://twitter.com/phd9/status/461147956541132800	Apr 29 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@phd9: @schestowitz @harrymccracken All I know is that when Visual Basic came out, my abilities as a coder instantly quadrupled.		Apr 29 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@the_other_jon: @schestowitz But the article was about BASIC. In what way is criticism about a vendor appropriate? Should an article about C slam AT&T?		Apr 29 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@phd9: @harrymccracken @schestowitz https://t.co/CS59PHsSNz		Apr 29 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.facebook.com \| Paul Dirks - Paul Dirks's Photos \| Facebook		Apr 29 10:27
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461148599825350657	Apr 29 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Man "forgotten" in solitary confinement for two years awaiting trial for DUI. http://t.co/jMRRXiCQcn		Apr 29 10:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Updated Debian 7: 7.5 released	Apr 29 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RT0aUPo0yB	Apr 29 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7jqv	Apr 29 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian adopts a code of conduct	Apr 29 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/43SjoyL9lK	Apr 29 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7jqw	Apr 29 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tux Machines This Month http://t.co/mzncD6ovPJ	Apr 29 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7jqx	Apr 29 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Updated Debian 7: 7.5 released \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian drops the SPARC architecture	Apr 29 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UFJT8y6kdv	Apr 29 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7jqy	Apr 29 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 4.0 Beta 7 Linux Distro Is Based on	Apr 29 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	XBMC 13.0 RC "Gotham" http://t.co/Pr7ielyxzw	Apr 29 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7jqz	Apr 29 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian adopts a code of conduct \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tux Machines This Month \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian drops the SPARC architecture \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 11:10
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Avagdu_Mortesin/status/461159302980321280	Apr 29 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Avagdu_Mortesin: @schestowitz @harrymccracken That’s an interesting take. Point it out, since I must be blind and dumb for not seeing it.		Apr 29 13:26
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/froesei/status/461167920307924993	Apr 29 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@froesei: @schestowitz If you think @harrymccracken is a MS bribed booster, or anything other than fair/objective, you haven't been paying attention.		Apr 29 13:26
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330	Apr 29 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #war		Apr 29 14:01
schestowitz__	"Aw, come on Bugs, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. About a million people were displaced by the Iraq war and hundreds of thousands had their life shortened. I don't think we will ever know the true circumstances of the photo itself, but we do know that there are orphanages and refugee camps filled with kids as a result of the war."	Apr 29 14:01
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4004066	Apr 29 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Adobe Trash Player has a new back door http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/new-flash-player-security-fix/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-flash-player-security-fix proprietary software has plenty		Apr 29 14:02
schestowitz__	"Windows lol..."	Apr 29 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> alien.slackbook.org \| Alien Pastures » New Flash player – security fix [ http://ur1.ca/h7lbj ]		Apr 29 14:02
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4005325	Apr 29 14:04
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/80371.html?rss=1&utm_medium=twitter		Apr 29 14:04
schestowitz__	I dunno, at this point Tizen is starting to feel like a really awful joke that various big corporations pull out every few years to say "Look, we're supporting an open source platform that isn't Android!".	Apr 29 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxinsider.com \| Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones \| Exclusives \| LinuxInsider [ http://ur1.ca/h7lbq ]		Apr 29 14:04
schestowitz__	It's like a really weird PR stunt in which Tizen marginally develops a bit more, maybe gets a new name and libraries slapped on it, and gets a little bit of PR for Intel, Samsung, and a few other big names.	Apr 29 14:04
schestowitz__	You almost never see any devices that support it. You'll sooner find phones running Mer, Ubuntu Touch, FirefoxOS and SailfishOS. Which is really sad, considering its roots. MeeGo was awesome and had so much squandered potential when Nokia sold out to Microsoft.	Apr 29 14:04
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 14:04
schestowitz__	I think that Samsung is making real products with Tizen	Apr 29 14:04
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4004295]	Apr 29 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu for Android to Be Retired Soon http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-for-Android-to-Be-Retired-Soon-439804.shtml		Apr 29 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu for Android to Be Retired Soon [ http://ur1.ca/h7lbd ]		Apr 29 14:05
schestowitz__	"Anybody have ever seen it?"	Apr 29 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 4.1.6 Final Released on Linux,	Apr 29 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	Windows, and Mac OS X http://t.co/8TaqH6I71H	Apr 29 14:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones	Apr 29 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YaXxoBR0HE	Apr 29 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7lcz	Apr 29 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds Named Recipient of the 2014 IEEE	Apr 29 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice 4.1.6 Final Released on Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	Computer Society Computer Pioneer Award	Apr 29 14:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Cherryview PCI IDs Get Added To Mesa DRM	Apr 29 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hwWrEJoEmg	Apr 29 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7ld1	Apr 29 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx Being Added To	Apr 29 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	Rawhide For Fedora 21 http://t.co/O61NdhVW9A	Apr 29 14:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linus Torvalds Named Recipient of the 2014 IEEE Computer Society Computer Pioneer Award \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel Cherryview PCI IDs Get Added To Mesa DRM \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org \| xorg		Apr 29 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New X.Org Being Added To Rawhide For Fedora 21 \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 14:10
Sosumi	http://pando.com/2014/04/29/with-android-silver-google-plans-to-steal-its-platform-back-from-manufacturers/	Apr 29 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com \| With Android Silver, Google plans to steal its platform back from manufacturers \| PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h7ldj ]		Apr 29 14:11
Sosumi	also note that Nattaniel Mott is a mactard	Apr 29 14:12
MinceR	dig +short TXT google-public-dns-a.google.com	Apr 29 14:12
Sosumi	if it has an unlocked bootloader, default android	Apr 29 14:12
Sosumi	I'm in	Apr 29 14:12
Sosumi	a google play edition of the galaxy s5 would have been nice	Apr 29 14:16
Sosumi	at least it would mean no bloatware	Apr 29 14:16
Sosumi	and no touchwiz	Apr 29 14:17
Sosumi	touchwiz, look at gangsta samsung is	Apr 29 14:17
Sosumi	*how	Apr 29 14:17
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sebsebseb	hi	Apr 29 14:23
schestowitz__	[19:12] <Sosumi> also note that Nattaniel Mott is a mactard	Apr 29 14:24
schestowitz__	any proof of this?	Apr 29 14:24
schestowitz__	Because if so, he's using the old Florian et al. tactic to create a rift	Apr 29 14:24
schestowitz__	commonly done to Samsung	Apr 29 14:24
Sosumi	he was exalting the new macbook air a while ago	Apr 29 14:24
schestowitz__	anything else?	Apr 29 14:25
Sosumi	he actually uses a mac	Apr 29 14:25
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MinceR	http://i.4cdn.org/b/1398800312761.jpg	Apr 29 15:42
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sebsebseb	MinceR: Sosumi schestowitz__ I got unlucky	Apr 29 15:49
sebsebseb	Ubuntu 14.04 won't boot up properly on that old lap top either	Apr 29 15:50
sebsebseb	I had a feeling there would be isues	Apr 29 15:50
sebsebseb	and yep	Apr 29 15:50
sebsebseb	I think that probably applsy to like all Live CD's now or pretty much	Apr 29 15:50
sebsebseb	except for old ones from years ago	Apr 29 15:50
sebsebseb	Live CD's/DVD's	Apr 29 15:50
Sosumi	sebsebseb, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NV6Rdv1a3I	Apr 29 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Get Lucky (Official Audio) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h7lyp ]		Apr 29 15:51
Sosumi	:)	Apr 29 15:51
sebsebseb	MinceR: Sosumi Sosumi so how do I upgrade the computer to Linux uhmm.	Apr 29 15:51
MinceR	have you tried #!, debian, DSL?	Apr 29 15:51
Sosumi	I have no idea, other than maybe retiring the computer	Apr 29 15:51
MinceR	i'll see what distrowatch recommends for old computers	Apr 29 15:51
MinceR	http://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=Old+Computers&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=Ubuntu&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active	Apr 29 15:52
sebsebseb	I think treai d puppy before, but	Apr 29 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. [ http://ur1.ca/h7lz1 ]		Apr 29 15:52
MinceR	there's also puppy linux and antiX	Apr 29 15:52
sebsebseb	MinceR: I am thinking maybe I shoud install Ubuntu 10.04 on it	Apr 29 15:52
sebsebseb	or some version like that	Apr 29 15:52
sebsebseb	maybe even 6.06 I want a LTS verison	Apr 29 15:52
MinceR	i wouldn't recommend ubuntu, i don't see the point	Apr 29 15:52
sebsebseb	Ubuntu 6.06 worked fine from old CD's	Apr 29 15:53
sebsebseb	then to try and upgrae it	Apr 29 15:53
sebsebseb	LTS to LTS	Apr 29 15:53
sebsebseb	to LTS to the supported one that won't load up from A LIVE dvd I made, I guess this may work	Apr 29 15:53
sebsebseb	I think there may be a piont in Ubuntu or event Mint LTS. five years support :)	Apr 29 15:53
sebsebseb	MinceR: I ust want something that works and is supported still you know, and for long enough	Apr 29 15:54
sebsebseb	that computer could run Ubuntu 8.10 and such from Live CD before :)	Apr 29 15:54
sebsebseb	and 9.04	Apr 29 15:54
sebsebseb	I think Ubuntu 10.04 may work from Live CD	Apr 29 15:54
sebsebseb	then I could set up a ext4 partition and upgrade things hopefully :)	Apr 29 15:55
sebsebseb	MinceR: maybe it's the drive itself the cd/dvd drve or to some extent I don't now	Apr 29 15:55
MinceR	wp says the oldest ubuntu that's still supported on desktop is 12.04 LTS, released on 2012-04-26	Apr 29 15:56
sebsebseb	,but maybe I can plug in my external blue ray drive for examle that does cd's and dvd's as well, and see if the computer will boot up a disc from that, might make a difference?	Apr 29 15:56
MinceR	the oldest debian that's still supported is 6.0, released on 2011-02-06	Apr 29 15:56
sebsebseb	MinceR: what's wp?	Apr 29 15:56
MinceR	wikipedia	Apr 29 15:56
sebsebseb	yes 10.04 isn't supported	Apr 29 15:56
sebsebseb	,but I can download it and install from it, and then upgrade from it to a supported version I am thinking, that I am having Live DVD boot up issues with I am thinking	Apr 29 15:57
sebsebseb	a work around in other words :d	Apr 29 15:57
sebsebseb	normally you just load up the disc and install from tat	Apr 29 15:57
sebsebseb	MinceR: if the disc is old enough it should load up fine on there :)	Apr 29 15:57
sebsebseb	like the old 6.06 discs for example, bbut if I go with the work around idea, I don't think I need to go as far back as that	Apr 29 15:57
sebsebseb	Ubuntu 12.04 I got ofical CD's for that even	Apr 29 15:58
sebsebseb	and nope they don't boot up on that computer either	Apr 29 15:58
sebsebseb	same problems	Apr 29 15:58
sebsebseb	it basially has a blac screen seems to try and boot someting, makes some noises even to say that, but nope	Apr 29 15:59
MinceR	it should load up but it won't get updates :>	Apr 29 15:59
sebsebseb	MinceR: yes that's why once 10.04 is installed if the work around idea's	Apr 29 15:59
sebsebseb	first thing that is done is an online upgrade to 12.04	Apr 29 15:59
MinceR	also, old ubuntu releases get their repos moved to another domain -- not sure about debian	Apr 29 15:59
MinceR	oh, i see	Apr 29 16:00
sebsebseb	so I don't mean to use 10.04 no, just to install from it, and upgrade from	Apr 29 16:00
sebsebseb	a work around instad of using a later disc, that won't even boot up on the computer :d	Apr 29 16:00
sebsebseb	later ISO's have issues	Apr 29 16:00
sebsebseb	MinceR: and five years LTS is nice for such a old computer	Apr 29 16:01
sebsebseb	five years of support :)	Apr 29 16:01
sebsebseb	and the user etc	Apr 29 16:01
sebsebseb	I don't want to be going through end of life of some LInu distro verison in say 17 months time, thinking Magiea 4 here or 4.1 if I can get that installed	Apr 29 16:01
MinceR	good luck	Apr 29 16:01
sebsebseb	so instaling from a old Ubuntu version and online upgrading it to a supported verison, may be a great work around idea	Apr 29 16:02
sebsebseb	MinceR: I think that computer can run something better than Puppy Linux really or something like that	Apr 29 16:02
sebsebseb	even though it's from 2005	Apr 29 16:02
MinceR	:)	Apr 29 16:02
sebsebseb	2GB RAM in there, since the RAM got upgraded by my Dad before and yeah	Apr 29 16:03
sebsebseb	MinceR: work around idea sounds like a good idea?	Apr 29 16:03
MinceR	yes, except for ubuntu :>	Apr 29 16:03
sebsebseb	MinceR: well or Mint insted possibly	Apr 29 16:06
sebsebseb	,but Ubuntu and stuff based on it, is the only one with a proper long term support really that I know of	Apr 29 16:06
sebsebseb	Debian Stable heh heh	Apr 29 16:07
sebsebseb	?	Apr 29 16:07
MinceR	except debian has longer term support	Apr 29 16:07
MinceR	and it's less crazy	Apr 29 16:07
sebsebseb	Debian Stable you mean?	Apr 29 16:07
sebsebseb	MinceR: Ubuntu also has Unity which well	Apr 29 16:08
MinceR	yes	Apr 29 16:08
sebsebseb	I do much prefer GNOME Shell personally, but	Apr 29 16:08
DaemonFC	shared a link via Slashdot.org.	Apr 29 16:08
DaemonFC	9 minutes ago	Apr 29 16:08
DaemonFC	http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/29/1655220/new-zero-day-flash-bug-affects-windows-os-x-and-linux-computers?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebook	Apr 29 16:08
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MinceR	i'm not sure if unity would work well on an old pc	Apr 29 16:08
sebsebseb	Unity is aimed at the non technicals etc a bit diffenret, but	Apr 29 16:08
DaemonFC	The idiots at Slashdot are blaming a bug in the proprietary Adobe Flash plugin on "Linux".	Apr 29 16:08
DaemonFC	What if I don't have that installed? It's not installed by default in any GNU/Linux distribution that I'm aware of because it isn't Free software. (Software that respects your freedom.)	Apr 29 16:08
DaemonFC	Chrome users would be safe because it uses a special sandboxed Flash plugin. The Chrome sandbox on GNU/Linux is nearly unbreakable.	Apr 29 16:08
MinceR	(well, i'm not sure if unity would ever work well anywhere)	Apr 29 16:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: yeah indeed Unity may have some issues	Apr 29 16:08
MinceR	(i mean, even their screensaver was ridiculously broken until recently)	Apr 29 16:08
sebsebseb	MinceR: ,but 14.04 gets some point releases to	Apr 29 16:09
sebsebseb	MinceR: oh and Ubuntu ins't just Unity	Apr 29 16:10
sebsebseb	I mean I can do LXDE or someting	Apr 29 16:10
sebsebseb	if Unity works horribly :d	Apr 29 16:10
DaemonFC	Ubuntu Long Term Support is supposed to be something similar to RHEL.	Apr 29 16:10
DaemonFC	The other Ubuntu releases are more like Fedora.	Apr 29 16:10
MinceR	supposed. :>	Apr 29 16:10
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: yep indeed someting like that	Apr 29 16:11
sebsebseb	the non LTS is like a testing thing	Apr 29 16:11
DaemonFC	MinceR, 14.04 LTS seems OK so far.	Apr 29 16:11
DaemonFC	I ran into a few bugs, but updates from the proposed updates repo fixed them.	Apr 29 16:11
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: except for me on that old computer, I coudn't install form the disc I made see above	Apr 29 16:11
DaemonFC	Most people who want a rock solid system will wait for a little while to upgrade anyway.	Apr 29 16:11
sebsebseb	however starting with 10.04 and doing LTS to LTS upgrades I guess may work :)	Apr 29 16:12
DaemonFC	Sort of like the old "Wait for the service pack" thing with Windows.	Apr 29 16:12
sebsebseb	start with 10.04 and upgrade things to 14.04	Apr 29 16:12
DaemonFC	Everyone who updates early gets the really bad bugs.	Apr 29 16:12
sebsebseb	and 12.04 is suppoted a bit longer yet I think a wlel	Apr 29 16:12
DaemonFC	sebsebseb, You'd need to upgrade 10.04 to 12.04, then to 14.04.	Apr 29 16:12
DaemonFC	You can't jump two LTS releases at once.	Apr 29 16:12
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: yep indeed exactly	Apr 29 16:12
sebsebseb	I know	Apr 29 16:12
sebsebseb	got to go through the other	Apr 29 16:12
DaemonFC	I can see why some people would still be using 10.04.	Apr 29 16:13
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: but if that works great I guess. I can't actsally boot the LIve CD's/DVD's of anything recent on that lap top	Apr 29 16:13
DaemonFC	Unity in 12.04 was nothing short of a disaster.	Apr 29 16:13
sebsebseb	seems any distro from the last uhmm	Apr 29 16:13
sebsebseb	three or four or so years	Apr 29 16:13
sebsebseb	won't work	Apr 29 16:13
DaemonFC	It felt like a non-LTS release.	Apr 29 16:13
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: so to avoide the whole later disc won't even boot up thing	Apr 29 16:13
sebsebseb	I am thinking install from a old release and do the upgrades online	Apr 29 16:14
sebsebseb	that should work I assume :)	Apr 29 16:14
DaemonFC	Debian has a thing called "oldstable".	Apr 29 16:14
sebsebseb	now hopefully 10.04 actsaully loads up from the disc then hmm	Apr 29 16:14
sebsebseb	I woul like Ext4 :)	Apr 29 16:14
DaemonFC	After a new stable release is out, you get some bare minimum support for the last stable release.	Apr 29 16:14
DaemonFC	Just security fixes.	Apr 29 16:14
DaemonFC	That lasts for another year or two to give people time to upgrade.	Apr 29 16:14
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: ok but Ubunt LTS does proper support	Apr 29 16:15
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: five years of support on a old lap top	Apr 29 16:15
sebsebseb	sounds nice doesn't it	Apr 29 16:15
sebsebseb	?	Apr 29 16:15
DaemonFC	yeah	Apr 29 16:15
DaemonFC	bbiab	Apr 29 16:15
sebsebseb	MinceR: I wonder if Unity will work on there	Apr 29 16:16
sebsebseb	or ok enough	Apr 29 16:16
sebsebseb	MinceR: cinnamon is kind of nice in MInt actsauly to, but it's so basic and uh	Apr 29 16:16
sebsebseb	Unity is a bbetter interface really, or is it? :d that's opino	Apr 29 16:16
sebsebseb	Unity is a bit diffenret, but kind of interesting, and more like GNOME Shell which I like :), Cinnamon is like a basic WIndows type interface	Apr 29 16:17
sebsebseb	MinceR: DaemonFC maybe the issue is with DVD's?	Apr 29 16:29
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: MinceR did we have DVD's in 2005?	Apr 29 16:29
MinceR	i don't know but wp knows :>	Apr 29 16:29
MinceR	apparently it appeared in 1995	Apr 29 16:29
sebsebseb	yeah I did a quick google for did we have dvd's in 2005 , and it seems so	Apr 29 16:31
sebsebseb	well 10.04.4 is also a CD	Apr 29 16:31
sebsebseb	do you remember those days, when Ubuntu actsauly fitted on a 700MB CD :d	Apr 29 16:31
MinceR	not sure	Apr 29 16:31
sebsebseb	yes then it got bigger	Apr 29 16:31
sebsebseb	and it's dvd size now	Apr 29 16:31
MinceR	that's what she said.	Apr 29 16:31
sebsebseb	she?	Apr 29 16:32
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That%27s_what_she_said	Apr 29 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Said the actress to the bishop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h7m8w ]		Apr 29 16:32
sebsebseb	MinceR: I think like Magiea	Apr 29 16:32
sebsebseb	there will be still some repo's	Apr 29 16:32
sebsebseb	for un supported releases	Apr 29 16:32
sebsebseb	just that don't get updated anymore, but that can stil install stuff from	Apr 29 16:32
sebsebseb	hence the lts to lts upgade for example	Apr 29 16:33
schestowitz__	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY3NTA	Apr 29 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Xamarin Studio Working On New Debugging Support		Apr 29 16:40
sebsebseb	MinceR: yes I'll have to change the repos a bit	Apr 29 16:46
sebsebseb	MinceR: like you were saying it seems, als just reading this now, good link :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/	Apr 29 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-help.ubuntu.com \| EOLUpgrades - Community Help Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/h7mci ]		Apr 29 16:46
sebsebseb	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/	Apr 29 16:46
MinceR	:)	Apr 29 16:47
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sebsebseb	MinceR: LTS to LTS to LTS	Apr 29 16:50
sebsebseb	and hopefuly 14.04 runs ok :d	Apr 29 16:50
sebsebseb	and if UNity some issue then some other interface I guess	Apr 29 16:50
sebsebseb	MinceR: five years of support and yeah	Apr 29 16:51
sebsebseb	computer will be like nearly 20 years old if still working by then to :d	Apr 29 16:51
Sosumi	gn	Apr 29 16:51
MinceR	o/	Apr 29 16:51
sebsebseb	Sosumi: a bit early?	Apr 29 16:51
Sosumi	and good luck with the laptop	Apr 29 16:51
sebsebseb	Sosumi: yeah thanks :)	Apr 29 16:51
Sosumi	I need to get up at 5am to eat, catch the bus at 6:40, begin workout at 7am be finished at 9, classes at 9:30 and so on	Apr 29 16:52
sebsebseb	Sosumi: oh right ok	Apr 29 16:53
sebsebseb	Sosumi: night hten	Apr 29 16:53
Sosumi	:)	Apr 29 16:53
sebsebseb	then	Apr 29 16:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines World's First Open Source Laptop Gets Wideband	Apr 29 17:35
TweetTuxMachines	Software-Defined Radio http://t.co/yP3YkUdq1h	Apr 29 17:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mme	Apr 29 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| World's First Open Source Laptop Gets Wideband Software-Defined Radio \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 17:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tiny i.MX286 SBC runs Debian on less than a	Apr 29 17:35
TweetTuxMachines	Watt http://t.co/VXI2k8gg49	Apr 29 17:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mmf	Apr 29 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tiny i.MX286 SBC runs Debian on less than a Watt \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 17:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Telepathy Sprint http://t.co/44uJ3ehCCB	Apr 29 17:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/Fqb0CXqZC3	Apr 29 17:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mpq	Apr 29 17:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Get to know the Aio-one project	Apr 29 17:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8pIOlIelcS	Apr 29 17:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Telepathy Sprint \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 17:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/OHQQI2zJIl	Apr 29 18:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/npx2uyxReO	Apr 29 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7mxh	Apr 29 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Apr 29 18:09
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MinceR	gn	Apr 29 18:20
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schestowitz__	http://i.imgur.com/dVufQu9.gif	Apr 29 18:37
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4006937	Apr 29 18:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Apr 29 18:37
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4006937	Apr 29 18:38
schestowitz__	"I think Roy has taken over Diaspora....i'll bring this up with him next time on TechBytes...its a full on invasion!"	Apr 29 18:38
schestowitz__	Posting and taking over are different concepts.	Apr 29 18:38
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4006302	Apr 29 18:43
schestowitz__	"True, as long as the press in question isn't owned by some greedy mega-corp willing to sacrifice any and all for the bottom line."	Apr 29 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@anonymiss@despora.de: ### There is no freedom without freedom of the press! ![freedom](https://www.reporter-ohne-grenzen.de/typo3temp/pics/d6a1a056b4.png) #freedom #press #journalism #war #weapon #information #politics #HumanRights #law #justice #whistleblower #police #violence #secret #surveillance		Apr 29 18:43
schestowitz__	In Russia the government controls the press and uses it to sell us a war. Thankfully we in the West don't have wars sold to us :/	Apr 29 18:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3999447	Apr 29 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic http://www.piware.de/2014/04/booting-ubuntu-with-systemd-now-in-utopic/ #systemd #ubuntu #gnu #linux #upstart		Apr 29 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.piware.de \| Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic « Martin Pitt [ http://ur1.ca/h7c1o ]		Apr 29 18:45
schestowitz__	"Myeh... he probably knows more than I do about it. When you get to be our age, though, you start to really have an appreciation for simplicity that just works. Know what I mean? ;)"	Apr 29 18:45
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 18:46
schestowitz__	I actually do like the speed with which a system will boot under systemd and there's much about it I like.	Apr 29 18:46
schestowitz__	What I very strongly dislike is that the documentation is in an appalling state. This, of course, is true for lots of things these days, but when I'm trying to solve a problem, I resent having to chase down a rat hole trying to figure how to use the tools I need.	Apr 29 18:46
schestowitz__	"	Apr 29 18:46
schestowitz__	"Yes, the state of open source documentation isn't what it should be."	Apr 29 18:46
schestowitz__	Is documentation of proprietary software usually any better? Or do you need to phone up the support monopoly?	Apr 29 18:46
DaemonFC	Well, my problem with Ubuntu ever since they switched to Unity was that Unity just wasn't very stable.	Apr 29 18:47
DaemonFC	Bits and pieces of it would crash and freeze and it was just a really bad experience. They should have repackaged GNOME 2.32 or rebased on MATE or something for their last LTS.	Apr 29 18:48
DaemonFC	Because Unity had no business being in there in the state it was in.	Apr 29 18:48
DaemonFC	It wasn't even beta quality software in Ubuntu 12.04, and it was an LTS, and I was like "Really?".	Apr 29 18:49
DaemonFC	Maybe have Unity as a "technology preview" or something for people who knew there would be problems.	Apr 29 18:51
DaemonFC	When software gets a bad reputation, it can be hard to get rid of that, even if you fix it later.	Apr 29 18:51
DaemonFC	They basically gave away a lot of their users to Linux Mint.	Apr 29 18:56
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4005325	Apr 29 18:56
schestowitz__	"I just hope I'm be able to install SailfishOS on my MotoG :D"	Apr 29 18:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/80371.html?rss=1&utm_medium=twitter		Apr 29 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxinsider.com \| Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones \| Exclusives \| LinuxInsider [ http://ur1.ca/h7lbq ]		Apr 29 18:56
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007348	Apr 29 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: oozing cow lips... > ---- <strong> @{![Avatar](https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_small_86bd76a7b1df24759a67.jpg) HU Art Sound . ; huartsound@diasp.org} </strong><sup> [30/4/2014 09:15:11](/posts/0a63b1da1bd3065a)</sup> > Meanwhile at the hot dog factory... > > open wide, bite and enjoy .. > > ![](http://reho.st/gif/8e206fb084b6119f63f595966e853034de08057f.gif) > > http://www.bu		Apr 29 18:56
schestowitz__	"And GMO free... So far as packaging is considered at least..."	Apr 29 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessinsider.com \| How Hot Dogs Are Made [PHOTOS] - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/h7n7k ]		Apr 29 18:57
DaemonFC	http://lists.opensuse.org/radeonhd/2008-01/msg00213.html	Apr 29 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.opensuse.org \| Re: [radeonhd] Initial 3D support question [ http://ur1.ca/h7nac ]		Apr 29 19:10
DaemonFC	"David Airlie was told not to work on ATI drivers due to an NDA conflict,	Apr 29 19:10
DaemonFC	now RedHat & AMD have agreed to let him continue to work on ATI Drivers"	Apr 29 19:10
DaemonFC	That was actually just a couple of really old pre-HD Radeons that have almost nothing in common with later cards.	Apr 29 19:11
DaemonFC	He still doesn't touch the code for those. It's feature complete anyway, so all it ever needs it an update for new X.org servers.	Apr 29 19:11
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cubezzz	ok, got some rudimentary framebuffer code working	Apr 29 22:47
cubezzz	some of the LKM's haven't been touched since 1999	Apr 29 22:47
cubezzz	msb, this is very low level stuff	Apr 29 22:52
cubezzz	one can pretty well open /dev/fb0 and write to the registers	Apr 29 22:57
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schestowitz__	Handy image for future posts	Apr 30 03:07
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007691	Apr 30 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Software available on the PRISM platform of your choice or GNU/Linux. Inspired by Tux Machines logo. Thanks, @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com}		Apr 30 03:07
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schestowitz__	http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/04/freemasonry-and-empire/	Apr 30 03:11
schestowitz__	"Unfortunately since about 1975 public opinion has been moulded into a rigid neo-conservative mindset, and neo-imperialism increasingly looks like the old variety. If you didn’t live through it, it must be hard now to believe that the British “elite” once held quite left wing opinions, and of course some ideologically motivated would wish to deny it as not fitting their model of society. But it was so,"	Apr 30 03:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk \| Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Freemasonry and Empire [ http://ur1.ca/h7q1m ]		Apr 30 03:11
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007214	Apr 30 03:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Abu Ghraib: A Torture Story Without a Hero or an Ending http://www.thenation.com/article/179556/abu-ghraib-torture-story-without-hero-or-ending #torture makes more enemies, it's counter-productive		Apr 30 03:11
schestowitz__	"It's terrorism."	Apr 30 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thenation.com \| Abu Ghraib: A Torture Story Without a Hero or an Ending \| The Nation [ http://ur1.ca/h7q1w ]		Apr 30 03:12
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4006953	Apr 30 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tired? Angry? Your car knows how you feel http://www.gizmag.com/epfl-psa-peugeot-citreon-emotion-detector-safety/31328/ will it be a networked (connected) car? Ripe for abuse.		Apr 30 03:12
schestowitz__	"they bluetooth into your phone, so you can pay monopoly wireless rates to be violated this way!"	Apr 30 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gizmag.com \| Tired? Angry? Your car knows how you feel		Apr 30 03:12
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007048	Apr 30 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Income Inequality Has Spurred a Boom in Private Security http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/04/income-inequality-has-spurred-boom-private-security ask #billgates http://techrights.org/2013/06/15/policing-as-a-private-business/		Apr 30 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.motherjones.com \| Income Inequality Has Spurred a Boom in Private Security \| Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/h7q25 ]		Apr 30 03:12
schestowitz__	"Sounds like it is spurring a lot of insecurity."	Apr 30 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Bill Gates Looking for Profit in Privatised Oppression in the United Kingdom and Elsewhere \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ebwta ]		Apr 30 03:12
schestowitz__	Financial insecurity for everyone, except the rich, who now feel afraid of all whom they rob.	Apr 30 03:13
schestowitz__	"	Apr 30 03:13
schestowitz__	Ummm, yes....	Apr 30 03:13
schestowitz__	And where are the people they have robbed?	Apr 30 03:13
schestowitz__	"	Apr 30 03:13
schestowitz__	"Yes, Will, that's the paradox. Money is a means to power, which is a means to controlling your environment, which is a means of freedom from interference. Except that it also makes you a target."	Apr 30 03:13
schestowitz__	"People only have to worry when they are surrounded by people they have robbed."	Apr 30 03:14
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4006292	Apr 30 03:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of people may not know or remember this, but before #novell sold out to #microsoft I had promoted Novell and used SUSE on all machines		Apr 30 03:16
schestowitz__	"Me too, long time ago, it was my hero when fighted SCO."	Apr 30 03:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Wins Award, Tails 1.0, and Ubuntu Warning	Apr 30 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eX0RI3EQv5	Apr 30 03:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linus Wins Award, Tails 1.0, and Ubuntu Warning \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Asus Fonepad 7 Dual SIM now available on	Apr 30 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	Infibeam http://t.co/yBgtr2xbdZ	Apr 30 04:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Galaxy K Zoom packs 20.7 MP camera, 10x	Apr 30 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	optical zoom http://t.co/yedgSi6aBi	Apr 30 04:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Albania Considers Free/Libre Open Source	Apr 30 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	Software http://t.co/X0H62bQoae	Apr 30 04:02
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TweetTuxMachines	21 http://t.co/W1sfqg3dru	Apr 30 05:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat Developers Propose Wayland For Fedora 21 \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Ultrabook Benchmarks On The Linux 3.15	Apr 30 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel http://t.co/8TAra6CEYF	Apr 30 05:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel Ultrabook Benchmarks On The Linux 3.15 Kernel \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical's audacious Ubuntu for Android	Apr 30 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	project isn't quite dead, but it is in limbo	Apr 30 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eD4MBYL0Yu	Apr 30 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7qwa	Apr 30 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical's audacious Ubuntu for Android project isn't quite dead, but it is in limbo \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	@LibrePublico Libre y Público is out! http://t.co/BaQabFhI2x	Apr 30 06:31
TweetTuxMachines	Stories via @steves99things @tuxmachines	Apr 30 06:31
TweetTuxMachines	@fcauchi	Apr 30 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| Libre y Público		Apr 30 06:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7r2a	Apr 30 06:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Updated OpenOffice 'good news for	Apr 30 06:31
TweetTuxMachines	administrations http://t.co/k86hhQVYXZ	Apr 30 06:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7r2b	Apr 30 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Updated OpenOffice 'good news for administrations \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 06:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Review – The Best Way to	Apr 30 06:31
TweetTuxMachines	Configure Ubuntu http://t.co/rSqNaOfUk7	Apr 30 06:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7r2c	Apr 30 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Review – The Best Way to Configure Ubuntu \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 06:31
Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/flying-the-custom-flag-hands-on-with-the-oneplus-one-cyanogenmod-phone/	Apr 30 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Flying the custom flag: Hands on with the OnePlus One Cyanogenmod phone \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h7r5n ]		Apr 30 06:46
Sosumi	not the kind of reviews I like, typically detailed anandtech/gsmarena reviews, but it doesn't seem bad	Apr 30 06:47
Sosumi	if the phone actually delivers, I may end up getting one	Apr 30 06:52
Sosumi	better specs than the S5 minus the software bloat	Apr 30 06:54
Sosumi	and with the right pricetag	Apr 30 06:54
Sosumi	while the S5 is 200€ too expensive for what it offers	Apr 30 06:54
Sosumi	actually, at moment, the S5 is more expensive than the iphone	Apr 30 06:55
Sosumi	which is just dumb	Apr 30 06:56
Sosumi	since there's no perceived premium with the samsung brand as it is with crapple	Apr 30 06:56
Sosumi	the LG G3 is coming in june it seems	Apr 30 07:04
Sosumi	at least they don't bloat the entire phone compared with what samsung does	Apr 30 07:05
Sosumi	but the problem is that they don't support it very well, software wise, from what I've read	Apr 30 07:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UBUNTU 14.10 UTOPIC UNICORN RELEASE SCHEDULE	Apr 30 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/57H5sBmKtq	Apr 30 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7sib	Apr 30 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| UBUNTU 14.10 UTOPIC UNICORN RELEASE SCHEDULE \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Nokia Really Dying? http://t.co/VokOUk7EKU	Apr 30 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7sic	Apr 30 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is Nokia Really Dying? \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 09:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Presence of Chromebooks in businesses grows	Apr 30 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	with recent deals http://t.co/kFbLrnFmXS	Apr 30 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7u5c	Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat to buy storage software maker Inktank	Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	for $175 mln http://t.co/6HgXFIBpZ7	Apr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7u5d	Apr 30 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Presence of Chromebooks in businesses grows with recent deals \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat to buy storage software maker Inktank for $175 mln \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 11:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.14.2 Officially Released	Apr 30 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZhX0VpNifv	Apr 30 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7vas	Apr 30 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Digitimes Research: Global tablet shipments to	Apr 30 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	rise in 2Q14 http://t.co/e20LBD78bo	Apr 30 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7vat	Apr 30 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships April Updates to Applications,	Apr 30 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	Platform and Plasma Workspaces	Apr 30 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pVfDLyKOEX	Apr 30 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7vau	Apr 30 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Kernel 3.14.2 Officially Released \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Digitimes Research: Global tablet shipments to rise in 2Q14 \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Ships April Updates to Applications, Platform and Plasma Workspaces \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 12:33
Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/30/idc-phones-1q14/	Apr 30 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com \| Apple Again Trails Market in Smartphone Growth, but Closes on Nokia in Overall Mobile Phones - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h7vd2 ]		Apr 30 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 30 Beta Finally Supports GStreamer 1.0	Apr 30 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iq0oDsFzvN	Apr 30 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7vq6	Apr 30 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox 30 Beta Finally Supports GStreamer 1.0 \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Yes, The World Can And Does Make Its Own	Apr 30 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	Software Cheaper Than Renting	Apr 30 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MfvJoQIiZL	Apr 30 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7vq7	Apr 30 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Yes, The World Can And Does Make Its Own Software Cheaper Than Renting \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qt 5.3 Release Candidate Planned For End Of	Apr 30 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	Week http://t.co/c6N6e2ZoyJ	Apr 30 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7vq8	Apr 30 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Qt 5.3 Release Candidate Planned For End Of Week \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Training Becomes Embedded Engineer's Plan	Apr 30 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	B http://t.co/sdOjXXmcNn	Apr 30 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h7vq9	Apr 30 13:06
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sebsebseb	hi	Apr 30 15:32
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Sosumi	sebsebseb, has been left to the crickets	Apr 30 16:50
Sosumi	crik, crik, crik, crik, crik, crik, crik, crik	Apr 30 16:50
Sosumi	(...)	Apr 30 16:50
Sosumi	crik	Apr 30 16:51
sebsebseb	Sosumi: hmm what?	Apr 30 16:51
Sosumi	no one replied or said anything until now	Apr 30 16:51
Sosumi	gn	Apr 30 16:58
Sosumi	crik :)	Apr 30 16:58
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DaemonFC	shared a link via Engadget.	Apr 30 18:50
DaemonFC	about an hour ago	Apr 30 18:50
DaemonFC	http://engt.co/1o4sljp	Apr 30 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| Windows will let you search your computer using everyday language		Apr 30 18:50
DaemonFC	I wonder if this will be as good as their utilities like "Fix Problems With Windows Update", that doesn't fix Windows Update problems.	Apr 30 18:51
DaemonFC	Instead of developing an assortment of Rube Goldberg-like utilities that don't actually fix the problem, why can't Microsoft just fix their damned bugs? If you know that a service tends to hang under certain conditions, you should explore this and fix the conditions under which it hangs, not develop a utility that kills and restarts the service.	Apr 30 18:51
DaemonFC	It's so much easier for Microsoft to do the wrong thing instead of fixing their bugs.	Apr 30 18:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Musix Linux: Sweet Strains Jarred by Sour Notes	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JbOkrOXUKj	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h845j	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Download http://t.co/ylLfJMTiF4	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h845k	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD, Mentor Graphics Join Advisory Board for	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	Embedded Linux http://t.co/vdIac35XXQ	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h845m	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromebooks: Not much room for competition	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dzkgQJGYap	Apr 30 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h845n	Apr 30 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Musix Linux: Sweet Strains Jarred by Sour Notes \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now Available for Download \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD, Mentor Graphics Join Advisory Board for Embedded Linux \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Chromebooks: Not much room for competition \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 19:09
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3998813	Apr 30 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shame on Google for making it so exceptionally hard to block ads in Chrome under Android. Firefox makes that simple. #google #surveillance		Apr 30 19:25
schestowitz__	"That's true. They're still a long way behind Google though, and even then, they'd still be a not for profit advertising company."	Apr 30 19:25
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4009021	Apr 30 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Error from license plate scanner leads to #police stop that startles PV-based attorney http://pvpost.com/2014/04/16/error-from-license-plate-scanner-leads-to-police-stop-that-startles-pv-based-attorney-26688		Apr 30 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> pvpost.com \| Error from license plate scanner leads to police stop that startles PV-based attorney :: Prairie Village Post - Neighborhood news and events for Prairie Village, Fairway, Mission Hills [ http://ur1.ca/h84to ]		Apr 30 19:26
schestowitz__	"Think of it as a harassment tip more than an error. DHS contractors and FBI will give "tips" to local police to arrest people on pretexts for drug suspects. I'm afraid that the process is also used to harass dissidents and I expect more of these kinds of errors if we don't get rid of license plate readers."	Apr 30 19:26
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330	Apr 30 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #war		Apr 30 19:26
schestowitz__	"Why do you think the circumstances are clear? How do you know who the real photographer is? Have you seen a series of similar pictures in a blog with others of the driveway, etc?"	Apr 30 19:26
DaemonFC	I use Chromium on my desktop PC because Google Chrome tries to take over the entire computer and does bizarre things.	Apr 30 19:40
cubezzz	is Stallman living in New York now?	Apr 30 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mandriva and Linux Solutions Brazil, sign	Apr 30 19:58
TweetTuxMachines	partnership http://t.co/GldOf0lJzZ	Apr 30 19:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h85v8	Apr 30 19:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Flush 0.9.12 Review – A Lightweight BitTorrent	Apr 30 19:58
TweetTuxMachines	Client http://t.co/FoE9Cp553P	Apr 30 19:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h85v9	Apr 30 19:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SystemTap 2.5 release http://t.co/e0izEyxYL0	Apr 30 19:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h85va	Apr 30 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mandriva and Linux Solutions Brazil, sign partnership \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Flush 0.9.12 Review – A Lightweight BitTorrent Client \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SystemTap 2.5 release \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 19:59
DaemonFC	cubezzz, Massachusetts iirc.	Apr 30 20:03
cubezzz	there was an article about cloud computing and it referred to Stallman as a "New Yorker"	Apr 30 20:03
cubezzz	it was from 2008	Apr 30 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Publishes Open-Source Graphics Code For	Apr 30 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	Mullins & Beema http://t.co/vtrkQLuld5	Apr 30 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8664	Apr 30 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD Publishes Open-Source Graphics Code For Mullins & Beema \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/yOBpzOoTVI	Apr 30 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8665	Apr 30 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RawTherapee 4.0.12.0 Review – A Powerful Open	Apr 30 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	Source Alternative to Adobe's Lightroom	Apr 30 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9Qn9gdiIyH	Apr 30 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8666	Apr 30 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| RawTherapee 4.0.12.0 Review – A Powerful Open Source Alternative to Adobe's Lightroom \| Tux Machines		Apr 30 20:51
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Sosumi	http://www.voltairenet.org/article183542.html	May 01 01:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org \| Ukraine Crisis Accelerating the Restructuring of the World [ http://ur1.ca/h87uh ]		May 01 01:50
Sosumi	lessons to take	May 01 01:50
Sosumi	the fall of the USSR only brought forth the worst there is in the US	May 01 01:51
Sosumi	the current exclusion of russia from everything will put an end to the unipolar world	May 01 01:52
Sosumi	leading to an alternative system to the IMF/world bank system under the guise of the BRICS bank	May 01 01:53
Sosumi	and also means the end of globalism in sense	May 01 01:53
Sosumi	too bad that the nations under the present anglo-american hegemony don't take to opportunity to reassert the notion of the nation state	May 01 01:54
Sosumi	and repeal not just austerity and bad debt but as well ban financial derivatives and actually tax financial products	May 01 01:55
Sosumi	see status of foundations and no profit groups	May 01 01:57
Sosumi	because there is where the real rich stash their money	May 01 01:57
Sosumi	http://rt.com/news/156056-imf-approves-ukraine-aid/	May 01 02:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/h880n ]		May 01 02:20
Sosumi	IMF gives green light for $17 bn Ukraine aid package	May 01 02:21
Sosumi	don't forget the conditionalities	May 01 02:21
Sosumi	austerity and privatizations of profitable and important services/infrastructure	May 01 02:22
schestowitz__	"Thanks. I wish that I had cropped the Windows logo a little better. Let me see if I can't do that now."	May 01 02:27
schestowitz__	Sosumi: agreed	May 01 02:32
schestowitz__	thanks for the links, shared further	May 01 02:32
schestowitz__	[00:58] <cubezzz> is Stallman living in New York now?	May 01 02:33
schestowitz__	He grew up there and his mother, if she's alive, may still be living there	May 01 02:34
schestowitz__	Read the book Free as in Freedom	May 01 02:34
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007691	May 01 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Software available on the PRISM platform of your choice or GNU/Linux. Inspired by Tux Machines logo. Thanks, @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com}		May 01 02:35
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schestowitz__	"Here you go, Modern and Classic. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4013378 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4013375 "	May 01 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: PRISM Platform, Modern		May 01 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by willhill@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_b9f8babc08a1e4d53057.png		May 01 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: PRISM Platform, Classic		May 01 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by willhill@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_4c25d1f4cf91a35767d9.png		May 01 02:35
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3999447	May 01 02:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic http://www.piware.de/2014/04/booting-ubuntu-with-systemd-now-in-utopic/ #systemd #ubuntu #gnu #linux #upstart		May 01 02:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.piware.de \| Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic « Martin Pitt [ http://ur1.ca/h7c1o ]		May 01 02:36
schestowitz__	I undI understand fully what you're saying, David. However, when you're literally a week away from total financial collapse, any job wouI understand fully what you're saying, David. However, when you're literally a week away from total financial collapse, any job would be nice. :)"ld be nice. :)erstand fully what you're saying, David. However, when you're literally a week away from total financial collapse, any job would be nice. :)	May 01 02:36
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4013634	May 01 02:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mayday mayday. But do workers (labour) even know what it means? #exploitation #deprivation #classwar		May 01 02:37
schestowitz__	"Most think it means "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayday">Help me</a>!" but they had to be trained to say it in French, m'aider, because they are to proud ask for help if they know what they are saying. It's not a holiday here and most people will work a 10 or 12 hour day."	May 01 02:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayday">Help )		May 01 02:37
msb	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day	May 01 03:06
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msb	Workers of the World unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!	May 01 03:06
schestowitz__	http://www.networkworld.com/community/files/user13712/GitHub_comic.jpg	May 01 03:13
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4013698	May 01 03:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: ### "as an employee of an American company under PATRIOT act it would be foolish to expect any privacy. That's stuff I care about on non-corporate devices." <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/112648813199640203443/posts/VbF3AEprC9F">Jan Wildeboer, on the pluss, talking about cell phones</a>. Holy Shit! We know that the feds <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175">demanded Forced Ex		May 01 03:16
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schestowitz__	http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2gxklxp461qzg45so1_500.jpg	May 01 03:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Did the GNOME 3 developers violate design	May 01 03:23
TweetTuxMachines	principles? http://t.co/yCb64YPL0O	May 01 03:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Did the GNOME 3 developers violate design principles? \| Tux Machines		May 01 03:23
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4014747	May 01 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: canned snickers... ![canned snickers](http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m35rfyHkR01qgf8eko1_500.jpg) #canned #snickers		May 01 03:23
schestowitz__	"Labeled (in Russian): SnicLabeled (in Russian): Snickers in tomato sauce"ers in tomato sauce"	May 01 03:23
msb	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_of_the_world,_unite!	May 01 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Workers of the world, unite! - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h88ev ]		May 01 03:25
msb	schestowitz__: Sardines?	May 01 03:27
schestowitz__	http://i.imgur.com/xCa83KB.gif	May 01 03:34
schestowitz__	http://31.media.tumblr.com/428ceca34276a1c963e5cb399bd48af2/tumblr_mlip3sgW9J1s5rsdao1_500.jpg	May 01 03:39
schestowitz__	http://31.media.tumblr.com/95a27aa51a44754fdb9cf0bb9bdf5924/tumblr_mhtsxl3bLD1qbgb3mo1_500.jpg	May 01 03:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_41e1249cfcfae88a2975.gif	May 01 03:47
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/461774171987775488	May 01 03:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It's getting easier to end up in prison (for increasingly minor 'offences') https://t.co/EhBJ6lAbLY looking up one's opposition.		May 01 03:52
msb	Found while looking for canned Snickers -- don't blame me. http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6966989/the-real-reason-youre-circumcised	May 01 03:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collegehumor.com \| Why You Are Circumcised - CollegeHumor Video [ http://ur1.ca/h88ln ]		May 01 03:52
schestowitz__	Banning competing messages. Powerful. Without speech there's no awakening.	May 01 03:52
msb	downloadable with youtube-dl	May 01 03:52
schestowitz__	what is?	May 01 03:52
schestowitz__	the gif?	May 01 03:52
msb	The "Why You Are Circumcised" video. Actually pretty interesting.	May 01 03:53
schestowitz__	rituals	May 01 03:54
msb	rituals that severely traumatize children, insert fear at the core of their personality, making them easier to control as adults.	May 01 03:55
msb	Decades ago I saw a film on TV made by the Jewish Theological Seminary of New York City. It showed a baby being circumsized. The parents were proudly smiling. The Infant was screaming -- shrieking -- from the pain. And the parents were just happy.	May 01 03:58
msb	The baby was screaming as loud as it could. Such screams have the evolutionary purpose of warning others of terrible danger.	May 01 03:59
cubezzz	you've convinced me	May 01 03:59
msb	But the parents were so mind-controlled -- so programmed -- that their emotions were exactly the oppositel	May 01 04:00
msb	opposite.	May 01 04:00
cubezzz	there's a lot of things that seem wrong about the world	May 01 04:00
cubezzz	have you seen all those microsoft cloud ads?	May 01 04:01
cubezzz	they've really stepped up the advertising	May 01 04:01
msb	No. I don't want to lose my lunch.	May 01 04:01
cubezzz	and they diss chromebooks, although not overtly	May 01 04:01
cubezzz	they merely say: this laptop can run windows, it's not some thing that needs to be connected to the net all the time	May 01 04:02
msb	They want to have everyone's data so they can sell it to the government, generate personalized advertising, etc.	May 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME and the GIGO Principle	May 01 04:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yhelnoKamG	May 01 04:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h88ob	May 01 04:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Planned, Reviewed, Hacked, and Giving Up	May 01 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME and the GIGO Principle \| Tux Machines		May 01 04:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Rk9a8JaBuB	May 01 04:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h88oc	May 01 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Planned, Reviewed, Hacked, and Giving Up \| Tux Machines		May 01 04:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines You can now stream AAA games through your Ouya	May 01 04:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/I2icyiThxi	May 01 04:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h88od	May 01 04:05
cubezzz	stallman is anti-cloud, which is predictable	May 01 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| You can now stream AAA games through your Ouya \| Tux Machines		May 01 04:05
cubezzz	some of my older customers aren't too keen on it either	May 01 04:05
cubezzz	linux has something similar to windows which I call "software creep" for lack of a better term	May 01 04:07
cubezzz	it's when old programs stop working on newer versions	May 01 04:08
cubezzz	there's a blog in this... I have to study it more	May 01 04:08
cubezzz	it happened when linux switched to libusb	May 01 04:08
cubezzz	usually this has to do with device drivers and modules	May 01 04:09
cubezzz	there doesn't seem to be any way of transplanting LKM's from 2.4 into 2.6	May 01 04:10
cubezzz	of course now there's 3.X and beyond and I haven't even looked at that yet	May 01 04:10
cubezzz	there's certainly no device drivers which are inter-os compatible!	May 01 04:11
msb	"there's a lot of things that seem wrong about the world" http://cosmicpenguin.com/matrix01.txt	May 01 04:13
msb	The list keeps growing!	May 01 04:13
cubezzz	yes but these computer problems I feel I can do something about it :)	May 01 04:14
msb	I think network card drivers from Windows will work in Linux because someone wrote an adapter.	May 01 04:15
msb	We could do something about those social problems -- talk about them everywhere! Overcome the taboo against talking about them.	May 01 04:16
cubezzz	there were a lot of scanners that stopped working when win2k came out	May 01 04:17
cubezzz	so far I've been able to run everything across multiple linux versions, after a lot of work	May 01 04:17
msb	Writing an adapter layer to convert calls to one API into calls to another isn't that difficult. Tedious, maybe.	May 01 04:19
cubezzz	yes but I had to re-write some utilities to get them to work with a newer version of linux	May 01 04:20
msb	It's just text-to-text. Actually binary to binary, but the same principle. The result doesn't have to look good, just work.	May 01 04:21
cubezzz	I can't fopen /dev/usb/scanner0	May 01 04:21
msb	The whole semantics has changed there?	May 01 04:22
cubezzz	yeah	May 01 04:22
msb	job security	May 01 04:22
cubezzz	the old system was better, at least I thought so	May 01 04:23
cubezzz	openbsd has /dev/	May 01 04:24
msb	Like you used to know which drive was /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, etc, because it just depended on which mobo socket the cable was plugged into.	May 01 04:24
cubezzz	argh, hold on	May 01 04:24
cubezzz	ok	May 01 04:24
cubezzz	openbsd has /dev/uscanner0	May 01 04:24
msb	oops, I meant sda, sdb	May 01 04:24
cubezzz	so different again	May 01 04:24
cubezzz	the annoying thing is, it's the same scanner, same interface, but now the old software doesn't work	May 01 04:25
msb	One year I upgraded Linux and half of my bash scripts stopped working because the command-line syntax of various utilities had changed.	May 01 04:26
DaemonFC	msb, You're talking about ndiswrapper	May 01 04:27
msb	Sounds right.	May 01 04:27
cubezzz	ugh, that sounds so kludgey	May 01 04:30
cubezzz	I'd rather have the programming specs	May 01 04:30
cubezzz	and I see Microsoft has knackered ndiswrapper via WDF	May 01 04:31
msb	We Fremen have a saying: "God created Arrakis to train the faithful." (Arralos = Dune)	May 01 04:31
msb	We Fremen have a saying: "God created Arrakis to train the faithful." (Arrakis = Dune)	May 01 04:32
msb	What Da Fuk?	May 01 04:32
cubezzz	that also implies there's windows only routers, ugh	May 01 04:32
cubezzz	so I got xscanimage working on almost every computer	May 01 04:33
cubezzz	but kooka was no go	May 01 04:34
msb	Excellent!	May 01 04:34
cubezzz	yeah, but kooka was pretty much orphaned	May 01 04:34
DaemonFC	msb, Comcast claims that you need a Windows or Mac computer to use their internet service.	May 01 04:35
cubezzz	ha, msb buckin' the trends as usual :)	May 01 04:35
cubezzz	my ISP can't say that... they are running FreeBSD :)	May 01 04:36
DaemonFC	They have a "self install kit" that has a CD-ROM that sets up the modem you're renting from them (if you rent one).	May 01 04:36
DaemonFC	But, whether you rent or buy, you can call in and tell them the mac address of the modem, and they'll activate it that way.	May 01 04:36
msb	I've been using Comcrap with Linux for many years. I don't remember how, but it was easy to set up.	May 01 04:37
msb	Somebody at cust svc used Linux himself and told me how to do something to the cable modem using firefox.	May 01 04:38
msb	IIRC	May 01 04:39
msb	"provision" the modem	May 01 04:40
cubezzz	must be a cable modem thing	May 01 04:41
cubezzz	I've never had to do that	May 01 04:41
msb	I only had to do it once. It was just a three or so line voodoo recipe.	May 01 04:41
cubezzz	I've looked at the PPPoE protocol a bit	May 01 04:43
msb	You get confidence knowing that millions of others have had to do the same thing. It must be written up somewhere.	May 01 04:43
DaemonFC	Apparently, the iTunes Plus story gets even funnier. Apple was making people pay an extra 30 cents per file to strip out the DRM and upgrade the quality, but people who waited a while could just delete their old files and redownload them, and get the same thing for free.	May 01 04:43
DaemonFC	http://www.tuaw.com/2012/12/04/is-itunes-plus-gone-itunes-11-offers-drm-free-audio-re-download/	May 01 04:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuaw.com \| Is iTunes Plus gone? iTunes 11 offers DRM-free audio re-downloads \| Breaking Apple News, Tips and Reviews from The Unofficial Apple Weblog [ http://ur1.ca/h88vz ]		May 01 04:43
cubezzz	I known I changed my DSL modem without doing anything special	May 01 04:46
cubezzz	but I'm using a Free-net so it might be different	May 01 04:47
msb	There is a theory which holds	May 01 04:47
msb	that the greatest change happens	May 01 04:47
msb	on the edge of chaos.	May 01 04:47
msb	On this fringe lies	May 01 04:48
msb	creativity, risk, revolution.	May 01 04:48
msb	IOW, outlaws see things more clearly.	May 01 04:48
cubezzz	I've got a pretty decent setup now	May 01 04:51
cubezzz	all DC power units are on the UPS	May 01 04:51
cubezzz	multiple computers, multiple monitors, basically redundant everything	May 01 04:52
msb	Now you just need a stock of dried beans and a water purifier.	May 01 04:53
msb	XXX-Class solar flare? Bring it!	May 01 04:59
msb	http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-imx286-sbc-runs-debian-on-less-than-a-watt/	May 01 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Tiny i.MX286 SBC runs Debian on less than a Watt · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/h88zh ]		May 01 04:59
msb	Don't even need a gasoline or solar generator for that one. Just pedal the bicycle a couple of turns every hour.	May 01 05:00
msb	Anybody remember those "edge of chaos" promos shown on Showtime 10 or so years ago. Beautiful! Sure wish I could find one.	May 01 05:02
msb	Black and white, with a woman trailing a bright red scarf.	May 01 05:03
schestowitz__	http://c2.likes-media.com/img/9b2c1e1e15c1112ea1cab9024c9930ca.600x.gif	May 01 06:05
schestowitz__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mC8YfJY6uU	May 01 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Charming Animals - THE OCTOPUS, A MASTER OF CAMOUFLAGE - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h89fy ]		May 01 06:06
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4009018	May 01 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Everything the government does at the airport or to "terrorists" it will eventually want to do to everyone, anywhere http://www.wired.com/2014/04/smartphone-kill-switch/		May 01 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wired.com \| Feds Beg Supreme Court to Let Them Search Phones Without a Warrant \| Threat Level \| WIRED [ http://ur1.ca/h89gl ]		May 01 06:10
schestowitz__	"The obvious next arms-race step isn't to have an affirmitive wipe, but a negative one. If your device doesn't receive its keep-alive signal within a specified interval, all data are deleted (or encrypted). Actually, encryption + tossing the key would go a long way, offering you the option of recovery in the case of an innocent outage. The DoS potential has to be considered. And there's still rubber hose / spanner cryptanalysis to	May 01 06:10
schestowitz__	address."	May 01 06:10
schestowitz__	"	May 01 06:16
schestowitz__	Danielle Kurtzleben, "Sarah Palin compared waterboarding to baptism, and Christians are furious," Vox, April 28, 2014, http://www.vox.com/2014/4/28/5661708/sarah-palin-compared-waterboarding-to-baptism-and-christians-are	May 01 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vox.com \| Sarah Palin compared waterboarding to baptism, and Christians are furious - Vox [ http://ur1.ca/h89i0 ]		May 01 06:16
schestowitz__	David Sherfinski, "Sarah Palin stands firm on ‘waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists’ line," Washington Times, April 28, 2014, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/28/sarah-palin-stands-firm-waterboarding-how-we-bapti/	May 01 06:16
schestowitz__	David Edwards, "Thousands of Christians organize against Sarah Palin after waterboarding joke mocks baptism," Raw Story, April 30, 2014, http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/30/thousands-of-christians-organize-against-sarah-palin-after-waterboarding-joke-mocks-baptism/	May 01 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtontimes.com \| Sarah Palin stands firm on 'waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists' line - Washington Times [ http://ur1.ca/h89i1 ]		May 01 06:16
schestowitz__	"	May 01 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com \| Thousands of Christians organize against Sarah Palin after waterboarding joke mocks baptism [ http://ur1.ca/h89i2 ]		May 01 06:16
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4014878	May 01 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: The headline should be something like: This is what Christ feels like ![](http://i.imgur.com/xCa83KB.gif) #gif		May 01 06:16
schestowitz__	wow, this is disgusting on so many levels. Reload don't retreat...	May 01 06:17
schestowitz__	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/27/1295083/-Sarah-Palin-thinks-we-should-baptize-terrorists-by-waterboarding-them	May 01 06:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com \| Sarah Palin thinks we should "baptize" terrorists by waterboarding them [ http://ur1.ca/h89iu ]		May 01 06:20
schestowitz__	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/24/1280021/-UN-Unspeakable-Atrocities-in-North-Korea	May 01 06:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com \| UN: "Unspeakable Atrocities" in North Korea [ http://ur1.ca/h89jj ]		May 01 06:24
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/461809086582251523	May 01 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: #Ecology meets the Science for the People logo #SfTP14 MT @schestowitz: What May 1st stands for https://t.co/LkDkwGQeDI #MayDay		May 01 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NixOS 14.04 Released http://t.co/bvAoZiW3XP	May 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h89sr	May 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pinguy OS 14.04 Mini Has Been Released. The	May 01 06:57
TweetTuxMachines	Full Version Will Also Arrive Soon	May 01 06:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KRBhNwk1TR	May 01 06:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h89ss	May 01 06:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NixOS 14.04 Released \| Tux Machines		May 01 06:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Pinguy OS 14.04 Mini Has Been Released. The Full Version Will Also Arrive Soon \| Tux Machines		May 01 06:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Emmabuntüs is a finalist of the cyber-activism	May 01 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	competition http://t.co/RQPYdWpKvI	May 01 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8azx	May 01 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Emmabuntüs is a finalist of the cyber-activism competition \| Tux Machines		May 01 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 29 now available in Fedora	May 01 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hJb9XdhNOv	May 01 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8azy	May 01 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox 29 now available in Fedora \| Tux Machines		May 01 10:00
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016677	May 01 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Miami Jury: CIA Involved in JFK Assassination http://www.globalresearch.ca/miami-jury-cia-involved-in-jfk-assassination/5379965?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=miami-jury-cia-involved-in-jfk-assassination 2 thirds of US public believes so		May 01 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.globalresearch.ca \| Miami Jury: CIA Involved in JFK Assassination \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/h8b8b ]		May 01 10:37
schestowitz__	"Poppy Bush was in Dallas that day too, but said he can't remember exactly what he was doing. . ."	May 01 10:37
Sosumi	https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Battleground_Ukraine	May 01 10:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikispooks.com \| Document:Battleground Ukraine - WikiSpooks [ http://ur1.ca/h8b8i ]		May 01 10:38
Sosumi	Ukraine as a dumping ground	May 01 10:38
Sosumi	even for nuclear waste	May 01 10:38
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016687	May 01 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The CIA denied having any role in arming Libyan rebels before the deadly 2012 Benghazi attacks, despite reporting" http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/30/cia-denies-blaze-benghazi-report-so-many-problems/		May 01 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theblaze.com \| CIA Denies Blaze Benghazi Report: ‘So Many Problems’ \| TheBlaze.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8b8k ]		May 01 10:39
schestowitz__	"In other news, the CIA wants you to know they did not organize the putsch that replaced the weak, corrupt, but elected, president of Ukraine with an unelected technocrat nobody likes, and a bunch of Nazi thugs to carry out his orders. Yeah, there was that thing in Iran in 1953, and the one in Chile in 1973, and numerous little things in the Middle East, Latin America, etc etc etc etc ... but nope, they didn't have anything in	May 01 10:39
schestowitz__	Ukraine."	May 01 10:39
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016684	May 01 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Obama administration may soon send shoulder-fired missiles to the rebels" [terrorists] http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/cia-s-resolve-to-track-weapons-complicates-push-to-arm-syria-rebels-1.280822		May 01 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.stripes.com \| CIA's resolve to track weapons complicates push to arm Syria rebels - Middle East - Stripes [ http://ur1.ca/h8b8p ]		May 01 10:39
schestowitz__	"How long will it take to bypass the fingerprint scanners? Couple of minutes, maybe?"	May 01 10:40
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Sosumi	just cut the finger or grab the guy's fingerprint and make a mold out of silicon of it	May 01 10:43
Sosumi	if it is an iris scan, well just gouge the guy's eye out	May 01 10:43
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4013298	May 01 10:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Chase Bank Slutshames Their Adult Performer Customers http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140424/18113827025/chase-bank-slutshames-their-adult-performer-customers.shtml thieves try to tell us what's ethical and what's not		May 01 10:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| Chase Bank Slutshames Their Adult Performer Customers \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/h881o ]		May 01 10:44
schestowitz__	"Or block a decade long series of payments to the FSF as suspicious like they did to me? The payment goes through without a problem now, but for two or three months I had to deal with the bank to get them to pay my monthly subscription. I wonder how many people did not have the time for it and gave up."	May 01 10:44
Sosumi	if it is a voice pattern, just call him or/and entertain him while recording his voice to get the pattern	May 01 10:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016261	May 01 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: State-sponsored (by taxpayers, against taxpayers) crime: #nsa is recruiting crackers http://www.wbur.org/npr/307963996/whats-the-nsa-doing-now-training-more-cyber-warriors business as usual. #OnePercent		May 01 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wbur.org \| What's The NSA Doing Now? Training More Cyberwarriors \| WBUR & NPR [ http://ur1.ca/h8ba0 ]		May 01 10:45
schestowitz__	"It's an arms race and it's going to get exponentially more difficult. In the wake of Snowden, every country that wants privacy, security or a modern military is going to have it's own SE Linux effort. While non free software is clearly out, I don't look forward to every military and spy agency in the world joining the free software community. Projects will have to be more diligent than ever."	May 01 10:45
Sosumi	so in the end	May 01 10:45
Sosumi	the best security for everyone is a simple card and a password	May 01 10:45
Sosumi	no need for anyone to get hurt, right?	May 01 10:46
Sosumi	:)	May 01 10:46
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/461898015272611841	May 01 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_Goblin: @schestowitz I'd still say Peppermint 4 is by the far the best not only for speed, but for flexibility.		May 01 12:03
msb	For faking biometrics without mutilation, get a fingerprint off a drinking glass and make a 3D mold from it, or get the person to look into a retinal scanner and feed the pattern to a little display that looks like an eyeball to another retinal scanner. The vic will always choose to look in the perp's scanner rather than have his eye gouged out. And such scanner/displays (powered by RaspPI or the like) will be available for a few	May 01 12:06
msb	hundred bucks, complete.	May 01 12:06
msb	The only real security is to have a human, non-psychopathic, society.	May 01 12:07
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditFirefox favourited 'Firefox 29 now available in Fedora http://t.co/hJb9XdhNOv'		May 01 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox 29 now available in Fedora \| Tux Machines		May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta Is a Minimalistic OS	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	with an Interesting e19 Desktop	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M6mAdxoxQi	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cbf	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Shell & Mutter 3.13.1 Released	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/os7x6ErSpE	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cbg	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr : Video Review	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	and Screenshot Tour http://t.co/FcL9qVkAWY	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cbh	May 01 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta Is a Minimalistic OS with an Interesting e19 Desktop \| Tux Machines		May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 Best and Top Linux Distros To Replace Windows	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	XP http://t.co/zg7zcZRfaw	May 01 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cbi	May 01 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME Shell & Mutter 3.13.1 Released \| Tux Machines		May 01 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Xubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr : Video Review and Screenshot Tour \| Tux Machines		May 01 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 5 Best and Top Linux Distros To Replace Windows XP \| Tux Machines		May 01 12:12
msb	I know this needs a lot of work, but I've tried to list all the components of the Matrix that I can think of. Suggestions welcome! http://cosmicpenguin.com/matrix01.txt	May 01 12:12
msb	That	May 01 12:13
msb	That's a listing of the components of our mind-control programming.	May 01 12:14
schestowitz__	https://pod.orkz.net/uploads/images/scaled_full_88ca5bdb6005139afc2b.jpg	May 01 12:25
schestowitz__	Mine was, damn sneezes	May 01 12:25
schestowitz__	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4014533	May 01 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@anotherworld@diasp.eu: This sculpture by Issac Cordal in Berlin is called "Politicians discussing global warming." #climatechange		May 01 12:27
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4015741	May 01 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2-year proposal anniversary yesterday http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/2-Year-Proposal-Anniversary-and-Captain-America		May 01 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> schestowitz.com \| 2-Year Proposal Anniversary and Captain America [ http://ur1.ca/h8cse ]		May 01 13:13
schestowitz__	"Congrats dude."	May 01 13:13
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016451	May 01 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Imagine the reaction if foreign nations carried out #drone strikes on US soil (hypothetical): http://alleynews.org/2014/04/iraqi-judge-brushes-off-bush-lawsuit-against-iraqis-for-georges-death/		May 01 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> alleynews.org \| Iraqi Judge “brushes off” Bush lawsuit against Iraqis for George’s death \| The Alley Newspaper [ http://ur1.ca/h8csu ]		May 01 13:14
schestowitz__	"You don't have to have a wild imagination to think that. If an impoverished country like Pakistan can have nukes, do you think that having drones would be a lot more difficult? If terrorists can hijack planes, would it be unthinkable to steal a drone? If nobody knows where is the Malaysian missing plane, do you think that a smaller drone cannot fly the US unnoticed? I guess the US didn't think carefully what the use of drones	May 01 13:14
schestowitz__	entails."	May 01 13:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Containers bring a skinny new world of	May 01 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	virtualization to Linux http://t.co/nDThxCFwmH	May 01 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cyz	May 01 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/prjRtBmx7T	May 01 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cz0	May 01 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/CZgQ2SbSZR	May 01 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8cz1	May 01 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Containers bring a skinny new world of virtualization to Linux \| Tux Machines		May 01 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		May 01 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		May 01 13:36
Sosumi	confirmed, osx to be LSDified	May 01 13:37
Sosumi	as they just pulled part of the design team for revision 10.10	May 01 13:37
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Sosumi	now lets see if they also excel at making the new gui nauseating	May 01 13:38
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Sosumi	so folks can go and puke on the trashcan pro	May 01 13:39
Sosumi	!	May 01 13:39
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Sosumi	and maybe that was the whole idea behind the trascan design	May 01 13:39
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Sosumi	and xp is getting that emergency IE update	May 01 15:01
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Sosumi	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7090359296/hC9AB748A/	May 01 15:32
Sosumi	and that is indeed how google glass should have been	May 01 15:33
Sosumi	or that or transparent screens for the creation of an overlay for stereoscopic augment reality	May 01 15:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/2fSGwrTnsE	May 01 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8e2i	May 01 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		May 01 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Radeon DRM Graphics Benchmarks On Linux 3.15	May 01 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/S28DTr0sNi	May 01 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8e2k	May 01 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Radeon DRM Graphics Benchmarks On Linux 3.15 \| Tux Machines		May 01 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based K-9 doppelganger treads ELC	May 01 16:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sUcZ2fDb3l	May 01 16:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8e2l	May 01 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-based K-9 doppelganger treads ELC \| Tux Machines		May 01 16:12
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DaemonFC	It looks like I've lost my ipv6 address when I activated my new modem. :P	May 01 16:23
Sosumi	an ipv6 packet walks into a bar	May 01 16:27
Sosumi	but no one talks to him	May 01 16:27
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/buy-box-cereal-waive-your-rights-goodbye	May 01 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| Buy a Box of Cereal, Waive Your Consumer Rights Goodbye \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/h8ei3 ]		May 01 17:09
DaemonFC	Food companies are now trying to say that they have the right to make you agree to an end user license agreement when you buy their products at the grocery store.	May 01 17:10
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DaemonFC	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/business/when-liking-a-brand-online-voids-the-right-to-sue.html?_r=0	May 01 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/h8ejv ]		May 01 17:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Powerful Image Editing Software Fotoxx 14.05	May 01 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	Now Requires at Least Ubuntu 13.10	May 01 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gs2eSZnfTL	May 01 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8elz	May 01 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Powerful Image Editing Software Fotoxx 14.05 Now Requires at Least Ubuntu 13.10 \| Tux Machines		May 01 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Clonezilla Live 2.2.2-4 Is a Linux Distro for	May 01 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	Complete Backup http://t.co/6HB1jcRxWN	May 01 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8em1	May 01 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Clonezilla Live 2.2.2-4 Is a Linux Distro for Complete Backup \| Tux Machines		May 01 17:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.13.1 Released http://t.co/JFTDZhNX3q	May 01 18:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8f6i	May 01 18:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calligra 2.8.1 is Out http://t.co/HZoMDMXahN	May 01 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8f6j	May 01 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nvidia $192 Tegra TK1 board could be used as a	May 01 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	Linux gaming PC http://t.co/RVunuJm7OP	May 01 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8f6k	May 01 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME 3.13.1 Released \| Tux Machines		May 01 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Calligra 2.8.1 is Out \| Tux Machines		May 01 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Nvidia $192 Tegra TK1 board could be used as a Linux gaming PC \| Tux Machines		May 01 18:54
msb	https://www.fsf.org/free-software-supporter/2014/april	May 01 19:21
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msb	http://www.fsf.org/free-software-supporter/2014/april	May 01 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org \| Free Software Supporter - Issue 73, April 2014 — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/h8fd6 ]		May 01 19:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland 1.5 Release Candidate Is Out There	May 01 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9V2n9jeU4u	May 01 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8fhr	May 01 19:40
*TweetTuxMachines @RanjibDey retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Calligra 2.8.1 is Out http://t.co/HZoMDMXahN'		May 01 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wayland 1.5 Release Candidate Is Out There \| Tux Machines		May 01 19:40
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msb	Wow! If you're wearing a heads-up display, this SBC could create a virtual reality more detailed (and a lot more interesting) than real reality! $200, designed for Linux! http://www.pcworld.com/article/2150700/nvidia-192-tegra-tk1-board-could-be-used-as-a-linux-gaming-pc.html	May 01 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| Nvidia $192 Tegra TK1 board could be used as a Linux gaming PC \| PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/h8gql ]		May 01 23:27
DaemonFC	I'm getting old.	May 01 23:33
DaemonFC	I just remembered when I was like 5 or 6, and my mom filled up her gas tank and the person at the window said they didn't feel comfortable accepting a $50 bill.	May 01 23:33
DaemonFC	It cost about $15 to fill up the tank back then.	May 01 23:34
DaemonFC	I don't think there's anything people are driving now with four wheels that takes less than $50 to fill up.	May 01 23:34
DaemonFC	Well, unless it's an $80,000 Tesla or something.	May 01 23:35
DaemonFC	:)	May 01 23:35
cubezzz	any electric car	May 02 00:14
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available#Highway_capable	May 02 00:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| List of electric cars currently available - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h8gyx ]		May 02 00:14
cubezzz	Nissan Leaf sold more than 100,000 units	May 02 00:16
DaemonFC	not to me	May 02 00:20
DaemonFC	I get cars after they've had the shit beaten out of them. LOL	May 02 00:20
cubezzz	you sould be able to get an electric car used	May 02 00:21
cubezzz	should	May 02 00:21
DaemonFC	Not for any amount of money I'm likely to come across...	May 02 00:21
cubezzz	I'm seeing 2011's for about $11K	May 02 00:26
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schestowitz__	http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-neo-nazi-imperative-the-mainstream-medias-one-sided-propaganda/5378470	May 02 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi Imperative: The Mainstream Media’s One-Sided Propaganda \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/h8hwo ]		May 02 02:58
schestowitz__	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7090359296/hC9AB748A/	May 02 03:00
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schestowitz__	https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/10177368_672072539508294_1661194933047922945_n.jpg	May 02 03:17
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3999447	May 02 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic http://www.piware.de/2014/04/booting-ubuntu-with-systemd-now-in-utopic/ #systemd #ubuntu #gnu #linux #upstart		May 02 03:33
schestowitz__	"	May 02 03:33
schestowitz__	I can't tell you what you want.	May 02 03:33
schestowitz__	But what I want is for it never, ever, under any circumstances to happen again. And for me, that means finding a stable employer who actually respects me as a human being. Anything less is just a set-up for it happening all over again.	May 02 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.piware.de \| Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic « Martin Pitt [ http://ur1.ca/h7c1o ]		May 02 03:33
schestowitz__	"	May 02 03:33
schestowitz__	"	May 02 03:33
schestowitz__	"...finding a stable employer who actually respects me as a human being."	May 02 03:33
schestowitz__	This has been a goal of mine for quite some time now. I wish for this for both of us, David, or a BIG jackpot win in the lottery; whichever comes first!	May 02 03:33
schestowitz__	"	May 02 03:33
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4016194	May 02 03:34
schestowitz__	"This is interesting but not as strong as other evidence of the same. The article is about advertising and has some plausible denials about advertising. Techrights covered harder to deny hardware bribery for bloggers several times. The ultimate evidence of dishonesty is the Microsoft training document, "Evangelism is War" and related memos. These shows that everything in publishing is considered quid quo pro by them, that the "	May 02 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: For the uninitiated, #microsoft and #billgates have both been bribing bloggers for years to embed talking points http://labnol.blogspot.co.uk/2007/06/microsoft-wins-as-fm-gawker-argue-over.html		May 02 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> labnol.blogspot.co.uk \| Microsoft Smiles as FM and ValleyWag Argue Over People Ready Ads [ http://ur1.ca/h8i3o ]		May 02 03:34
schestowitz__	Microsoft Press" is controlled to the word and that all "independent" "one to many" communications forums are to be "infiltrated" and "subverted" into a dishonest Microsoft advertising forum while retaining the appearance of neutrality and independence."	May 02 03:34
schestowitz__	Microsoft is a very unethical and criminal beast. Some people forget it these days.	May 02 03:34
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4021133	May 02 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Any talk of economic recovery is pure fiction http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/28/economic-recovery-fiction-importing-crisis-southern-europe-low-paying-jobs passing even more power and money to #plutocracy not "recovery"		May 02 03:38
schestowitz__	"	May 02 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Any talk of economic recovery is pure fiction \| Aditya Chakrabortty \| Comment is free \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/h8i47 ]		May 02 03:38
schestowitz__	Annie Lowrey, "Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones," New York Times, April 27, 2014, http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/recovery-has-created-far-more-low-wage-jobs-than-better-paid-ones.html	May 02 03:38
schestowitz__	And the other issue with these jobs is that they are with the most abusive employers, those who revel in the infinite replaceability of workers.	May 02 03:38
schestowitz__	"	May 02 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/h8i48 ]		May 02 03:38
schestowitz__	Let them eat crumbs	May 02 03:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) to Get Linux	May 02 04:00
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel 3.15.x Soon http://t.co/Hy4iwgP97H	May 02 04:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8i92	May 02 04:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) to Get Linux Kernel 3.15.x Soon \| Tux Machines		May 02 04:00
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schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4021459	May 02 05:23
schestowitz_bed2	"Shocking and damn irresponsible. She should research and promote together the Russian food system."	May 02 05:24
schestowitz_bed2	USSR fought and defeated Hitler while taking the largest losses. Provoking Putin is not a recipe for peace.	May 02 05:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ROSA Software Center: Beta, but looks, feels	May 02 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	and functions better than the competition	May 02 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Qs7j3DgMZV	May 02 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8irh	May 02 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Is Trying For Mullins Support In Linux 3.15	May 02 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9L8tXaNwPG	May 02 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8iri	May 02 05:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| ROSA Software Center: Beta, but looks, feels and functions better than the competition \| Tux Machines		May 02 05:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD Is Trying For Mullins Support In Linux 3.15 \| Tux Machines		May 02 05:26
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4021543	May 02 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #IMF Confirms $17bn Loan to Ukraine with Conditions That Will Devastate the Economy http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2014/05/01/imf-confirms-17bn-loan-to-ukraine-with-conditions-that-will-devastate-the-economy/ 'gifts' of #debt		May 02 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.scriptonitedaily.com \| IMF Confirms $17bn Loan to Ukraine with Conditions That Will Devastate the Economy \| Scriptonite Daily [ http://ur1.ca/h8ise ]		May 02 05:28
schestowitz_bed2	"Supposing there's anything left to devastate after Russia has finished with it"	May 02 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreS3 Open Source Amazon S3 Implementation	May 02 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	Released http://t.co/v7I9SsOBI5	May 02 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8j09	May 02 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreS3 Open Source Amazon S3 Implementation Released \| Tux Machines		May 02 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Acer Chromebook has Core i3 processor	May 02 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9fduukRGeJ	May 02 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8j0a	May 02 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New Acer Chromebook has Core i3 processor \| Tux Machines		May 02 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Building an Arduino Pest Repeller on Linux	May 02 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	(Part 2) http://t.co/a76y9u1rof	May 02 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8j0b	May 02 06:06
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_Goblin	Can someone tell me if I'm showing as OP...this chromebook IRC client doesn't display that status.	May 02 07:46
cubezzz	no op	May 02 07:51
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msb_	In England, criminalisation of anything that anyone (especially the govt) might not like: http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2014/04/24/12-year-old-dragged-from-class-after-anti-terror-police-flag-up-his-facebook-protest-against-cameron/	May 02 08:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scriptonitedaily.com \| 12 Year Old Dragged From Class After Anti-Terror Police Flag Up His Facebook Protest Against Cameron \| Scriptonite Daily		May 02 08:15
Jibbler2	sounds fair - aren't you supposed to be 13 to use facebook?	May 02 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 8 Android apps to sate your lust for	May 02 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	open-source http://t.co/9N7lrnunra	May 02 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8jye	May 02 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux Media Edition 8.2 Beta OS Can Play,	May 02 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	Rip, and Encode Any Media File	May 02 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ya7dt18Ivu	May 02 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8jyf	May 02 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 8 Android apps to sate your lust for open-source \| Tux Machines		May 02 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 4MLinux Media Edition 8.2 Beta OS Can Play, Rip, and Encode Any Media File \| Tux Machines		May 02 08:24
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msb_	"<Jibbler2> sounds fair - aren't you supposed to be 13 to use facebook?" New function of police: violent enforcement of Facebook TOS.	May 02 08:27
msb_	I thought Batman had locked up the Jibbler in Arkham Asylum.	May 02 08:30
Sosumi	yikes, england	May 02 08:54
Sosumi	biggest police state in the entire world	May 02 08:54
Sosumi	even more than the US	May 02 08:55
Sosumi	although, the US kind of wins in the police brutality department	May 02 08:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 To Sport Docker	May 02 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iRw7l3tRm3	May 02 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8k8v	May 02 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 To Sport Docker \| Tux Machines		May 02 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Online Accounts 3.13.1 Ditches Twitter	May 02 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	and Windows Live Support http://t.co/yqxLFkRQ1I	May 02 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8k8w	May 02 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME Online Accounts 3.13.1 Ditches Twitter and Windows Live Support \| Tux Machines		May 02 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA Publishes Revised Open-Source TK1	May 02 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	Graphics Code http://t.co/eajcxrTZFh	May 02 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8k8x	May 02 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NVIDIA Publishes Revised Open-Source TK1 Graphics Code \| Tux Machines		May 02 09:06
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_Goblin	Hello all	May 02 10:37
Sosumi	firefox has a new look now	May 02 10:44
Sosumi	and it looks like crap	May 02 10:44
Jibbler2	makes it kind of hard to see what the title of any page is	May 02 10:44
Sosumi	yep	May 02 10:44
_Goblin	Could someone please let me know if I'm showing as OP in this channel...my irc client doesn't seem to like to give status;s.	May 02 10:51
Sosumi	nop, you're not showing as OP	May 02 10:52
_Goblin	thanks....its not passing commands then...	May 02 10:58
_Goblin	thats ok	May 02 10:58
schestowitz_bed2	For the first time I can recall, someone today thought I was Spanish	May 02 11:16
schestowitz_bed2	I didn't know I look Spanish	May 02 11:16
schestowitz_bed2	_Goblin: can record soon perhaps?	May 02 11:16
DaemonFC	Sosumi, I like the new look better.	May 02 11:17
schestowitz_bed2	Sosumi: is it as bad as some say?	May 02 11:17
_Goblin	yep....however as per twitter....my pc died yesterday	May 02 11:17
schestowitz_bed2	I read from people who ditch it because of how Mozilla treated Eich	May 02 11:17
_Goblin	im on my chromebook and the one thing it doesn't do is mumble	May 02 11:17
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-most-absurd-right-wing-christian-billboards	May 02 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| 10 Most Absurd Right-Wing Christian Billboards \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/h8l9e ]		May 02 11:17
Sosumi	I don't like it	May 02 11:17
_Goblin	unless you can record a google hangout	May 02 11:17
schestowitz_bed2	ouch, dead PC?	May 02 11:18
schestowitz_bed2	so maybe I can come over to yours with the laptop :-)	May 02 11:18
Sosumi	and this new GUI feels kind of redundant	May 02 11:18
_Goblin	GPU fan gone....	May 02 11:19
_Goblin	and no I can't replace it....remember that MicroAcer type CPU? Opening it up I'd need a phd in brainsurgery in order to get to it.	May 02 11:20
_Goblin	I wrote about it a little in my recent article: http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/the-reality-of-chromebooksos-not-as-limited-as-you-think/	May 02 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openbytes.wordpress.com \| The Reality of Chromebooks/OS – Not as limited as you think! \| OpenBytes - Goblin's Domain [ http://ur1.ca/h8lao ]		May 02 11:22
schestowitz_bed2	_Goblin: I'll tuxmachine it	May 02 11:23
schestowitz_bed2	check post stats in an hour	May 02 11:25
_Goblin	:)	May 02 11:26
_Goblin	I notice I'll take a hit of around 1000 in a day just from TuxMachines...	May 02 11:26
schestowitz_bed2	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/65444	May 02 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Reality of Chromebooks/OS – Not as limited as you think! \| Tux Machines		May 02 11:26
_Goblin	Funnily enough I get 10 hits from a bing search!	May 02 11:26
_Goblin	Can you record a Google Hangout?	May 02 11:27
schestowitz_bed2	I can try	May 02 11:28
schestowitz_bed2	Can you record there, I never used it before and I probably need to sign up for something	May 02 11:28
schestowitz_bed2	So that i can hang out with Clapper and Alexander	May 02 11:29
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_Goblin	I don't think you can.......	May 02 11:32
_Goblin	Ill check the play store, see if I can use tablet/phone for mumble or similar.	May 02 11:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The development of SlideViewer – a QML based	May 02 12:01
TweetTuxMachines	presentation program http://t.co/GC2UDGzImY	May 02 12:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8lkx	May 02 12:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Reality of Chromebooks/OS – Not as limited	May 02 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The development of SlideViewer – a QML based presentation program \| Tux Machines		May 02 12:01
TweetTuxMachines	as you think! http://t.co/DHitd1JYFd	May 02 12:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8lky	May 02 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Reality of Chromebooks/OS – Not as limited as you think! \| Tux Machines		May 02 12:01
Sosumi	why not just put it in the freezer and run it from there?	May 02 12:37
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_Goblin	I should have given ChromeOS a proper go when I first got it....this is really quite good.	May 02 13:48
_Goblin	schestowitz__: How was your film the other night?	May 02 14:00
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schestowitz__	recommended	May 02 14:06
Sosumi	which film?	May 02 14:07
_Goblin	some superhero thing in 3d I think	May 02 14:11
Sosumi	Jobs?	May 02 14:11
Sosumi	:P	May 02 14:11
_Goblin	Captain America (I think)	May 02 14:11
_Goblin	I was watching far better things at the time...	May 02 14:12
_Goblin	the conference playoffs.... Halifax v Cambridge	May 02 14:12
Sosumi	I just read	May 02 14:13
Sosumi	books are the best	May 02 14:13
Sosumi	even when the content is crap, you can always use their pages to clean your nose or your rear	May 02 14:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Navy asks Raytheon to upgrade unmanned	May 02 14:14
TweetTuxMachines	helicopter control system with Linux software	May 02 14:14
TweetTuxMachines	and more intuitive controls	May 02 14:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uWFzkfxUvp	May 02 14:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mjj	May 02 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Navy asks Raytheon to upgrade unmanned helicopter control system with Linux software and more intuitive controls \| Tux Machines		May 02 14:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/txKO8ua7qS	May 02 14:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mjk	May 02 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		May 02 14:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/wVl0ieWlTy	May 02 14:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mjn	May 02 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		May 02 14:15
_Goblin	Sosumi: I agree. I much prefer reading.....I watch very few films	May 02 14:16
_Goblin	although, I don't think I'd wipe my bottom with a book, no matter how bad it was.	May 02 14:16
Sosumi	:)	May 02 14:17
Sosumi	not even Hillary Clinton's Biography?	May 02 14:17
Sosumi	I saw a ton of those at local dumpster on last december	May 02 14:18
Sosumi	and I really mean a ton	May 02 14:18
_Goblin	Nah....you'd end up wiping more on than you would off	May 02 14:20
Sosumi	:>	May 02 14:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam For Linux Last Month Showed A Slight Rise	May 02 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	In Usage http://t.co/sJP0zWA4Vv	May 02 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mte	May 02 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Firefox 29 Lands in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	May 02 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	and All Other Supported Ubuntu Distros	May 02 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9hfeNWuAyr	May 02 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mtf	May 02 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No, ARM Didn't Open-Source Their Full Mali	May 02 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Driver http://t.co/t5aUpUMLHB	May 02 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8mtg	May 02 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Steam For Linux Last Month Showed A Slight Rise In Usage \| Tux Machines		May 02 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mozilla Firefox 29 Lands in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and All Other Supported Ubuntu Distros \| Tux Machines		May 02 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| No, ARM Didn't Open-Source Their Full Mali Linux Driver \| Tux Machines		May 02 14:48
msb_	I have Firefox 29.0 and it shows the page title in the window "handle" -- the colored bar at the top of the window. Isn't that where it always was?	May 02 15:21
msb_	_Goblin: is there room in your computer to fasten another fan on top of the dead one, with duct tape, glue, pieces of wire thru holes, etc?	May 02 15:23
_Goblin	no, I have a scaffolding type system in there, there is very little space to even get my hand in..	May 02 15:24
_Goblin	I suppose I could take the case off and blast it with a large fan	May 02 15:24
_Goblin	Ive ordered a custom rig (osless) which I'm hoping will last a good few years....	May 02 15:26
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sebsebseb	hi	May 02 15:40
msb_	Sosumi: Jibbler2: I have Firefox 29.0 and it shows the page title in the window "handle" -- the colored bar at the top of the window. Isn't that where it always was?	May 02 15:40
Sosumi	the gui feels redundant and that little customization bottom not only reminds me of ribbon but is also totally unecessary	May 02 15:43
Sosumi	just a bloat	May 02 15:43
Sosumi	the old interface was perfect	May 02 15:43
Sosumi	the only version of which saw an improvement was the OSX version	May 02 15:44
Sosumi	but even that only could dispense the redundant bottom for the customization thing	May 02 15:45
Sosumi	when everything is on the upper drop down menus already	May 02 15:45
Sosumi	https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/462314986766073857	May 02 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RT_com: #Odessa violence video: Brutal clashes rage in #Ukraine's southern port-city http://t.co/X3jrDBuWz1		May 02 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Odessa violence video: Brutal clashes erupt in Ukraine's southern port-city - YouTube		May 02 15:47
Sosumi	civil war now in ukraine	May 02 15:47
Sosumi	courtesy of the USA, UK and EU	May 02 15:47
Sosumi	freedom & democracy cough not cough	May 02 15:48
_Goblin	Never liked Firefox......although I am missing thunderbird a little...	May 02 15:48
msb_	Sosumi: I'm not seeing anything on the bottom. Immediately below the bottom of the page is the bottom window border. I know I have the new 29.0 version because Help/About says so, and the curly arrow at the right of the url bar turns to an "x" when I refresh instead of a red circle.	May 02 15:49
Sosumi	wait	May 02 15:49
Sosumi	I mean button	May 02 15:50
Sosumi	to right corner	May 02 15:50
Sosumi	*top	May 02 15:50
Sosumi	right next to the "home button"	May 02 15:50
msb_	Sosumi: To the left of my home button is a downward-point green arrow showing file transfer progress, and to the right is a star and a rectangle with lines in it dealing with bookmarks.	May 02 15:54
Sosumi	you don't have way further to the right with just 3 lines	May 02 15:56
Sosumi	*one	May 02 15:56
Sosumi	which when clicked drops down a menu with some icons and the possibility to customize the browser's icons	May 02 15:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4023424	May 02 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Off target: Dvorak forgets the use cases of tablets (where laptops impractical) http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2457318,00.asp #gnu #linux growing there		May 02 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcmag.com \| The Tablet Dead End Is Dead Ahead \| John C. Dvorak \| PCMag.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8lxy ]		May 02 15:57
schestowitz__	""nice" ok :-) I use my cellphone or my Ultrabook...never missed a Tablet although I tried often :-)"	May 02 15:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4023467	May 02 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Yahoo says it knows best as it drops support for Do Not Track http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2342880/yahoo-says-it-knows-best-as-it-drops-support-for-do-not-track #prism #nsa #boycott #yahoo		May 02 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Yahoo says it knows best as it drops support for Do Not Track- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/h8mzy ]		May 02 15:58
schestowitz__	"Whether you want it or not."	May 02 15:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4021157	May 02 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: moon jelly swarm... ![moon jelly swarm...](http://24.media.tumblr.com/2cbc311d5ae823d39356dbe031f7b067/tumblr_n2hszu9LUg1rl52wjo2_400.gif) ![moon jelly swarm...](http://24.media.tumblr.com/c5da994be1a0ee27a1915c81e436277a/tumblr_n2hszu9LUg1rl52wjo4_400.gif) #moonjellyfish #jellyfish #swarm #sealife #2009 #animatedgif		May 02 15:58
schestowitz__	"Ok, that was weird. Watch these and listen to this: http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/989875/explode "	May 02 15:58
msb_	Sosumi: Yep, that I got. I couldn't see its tooltip because I use a large cursor arrow.	May 02 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jamendo.com \| Explode by Kellee Maize - Royalty Free Music - Jamendo [ http://ur1.ca/h8n8h ]		May 02 15:58
Sosumi	the computer version of "fat fingers"	May 02 15:59
msb_	The computer version of big screen/weak eyes.	May 02 15:59
Sosumi	:)	May 02 16:00
msb_	Usually not a problem, but sometimes I have to use kmag to see tiny fonts.	May 02 16:01
msb_	But what's the business about not seeing page titles in Firefox?	May 02 16:02
Sosumi	not my business	May 02 16:04
Sosumi	unless you use windows 8 with a dark theme	May 02 16:04
Sosumi	then you wont be able to read the unselected tabs	May 02 16:05
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Sosumi	as for osx it all appears in grey as it should	May 02 16:05
Sosumi	on fedora I have no idea since the update hasn't been put on the repo yet	May 02 16:06
Sosumi	and that will be fedora with kde for me	May 02 16:06
msb_	Good! Serves people right for using Windows. They deserve to suffer!	May 02 16:06
Sosumi	so it'll look the same as it looks on osx	May 02 16:07
msb_	My tabs are light grey and I can see the titles fine. I have no idea what theme I'm using, since I have both KDE3 and 4 option setter apps.	May 02 16:09
Sosumi	but on the windows version, the top bar takes the color gradient of the image you're using on the background	May 02 16:09
Sosumi	so, for everyone using dark images	May 02 16:09
msb_	The window handle has the same color as the desktop background, making it invisible?	May 02 16:10
Sosumi	you're out of luck mate	May 02 16:10
Sosumi	if the image is too dark	May 02 16:10
msb_	Maybe MS will fix that in the next version they force users to buy!	May 02 16:11
msb_	Evil is stupid!	May 02 16:11
Sosumi	since the unselected tabs aren't highlighted	May 02 16:11
Sosumi	it was a bad design decision by mozzila	May 02 16:11
Sosumi	just that	May 02 16:12
Sosumi	or maybe some trolling from their part	May 02 16:12
Sosumi	in honor of the old days when m$ integrated IE on windows 95	May 02 16:12
msb_	Anything that messes up MS-Windows gets my approval!	May 02 16:12
msb_	Wow, look at these Ukrainian Nazis carrying almost-swastika flags! http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2014/05/01/imf-confirms-17bn-loan-to-ukraine-with-conditions-that-will-devastate-the-economy/	May 02 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scriptonitedaily.com \| IMF Confirms $17bn Loan to Ukraine with Conditions That Will Devastate the Economy \| Scriptonite Daily [ http://ur1.ca/h8ise ]		May 02 16:15
Sosumi	in syria and Libya al-quaeda and demagogues exiled in the city of london are the good guys, no matter what	May 02 16:17
Sosumi	in ukraine total sell out demagogues are the good guys	May 02 16:18
Sosumi	and even the ppl who just want regional autonomy	May 02 16:18
Sosumi	as in a federation	May 02 16:18
Sosumi	as pro-russian rebels	May 02 16:19
Sosumi	the bad guys	May 02 16:19
msb_	Yep. We have always been at war with Eastasia." The Ministry of Truth	May 02 16:19
Sosumi	courtesy of Cartoon News Network, British Broadcasting Censorship, Frenchie 24, etc	May 02 16:19
msb_	Al-qaeda are now our allies, even though we murdered two million people in order to fight them.	May 02 16:21
msb_	And they didn't do the 9/11 attacks anyhow.	May 02 16:22
msb_	History changes so fast you could get whiplash.	May 02 16:23
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4023424	May 02 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Off target: Dvorak forgets the use cases of tablets (where laptops impractical) http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2457318,00.asp #gnu #linux growing there		May 02 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcmag.com \| The Tablet Dead End Is Dead Ahead \| John C. Dvorak \| PCMag.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8lxy ]		May 02 16:24
schestowitz__	"Still haven't bought one or even tried one in earnest."	May 02 16:24
msb_	Pi is 3.15 today, up another tenth in intense trading.	May 02 16:24
msb_	Best tablet use case: stomp down on one side of it and it makes a great doorstop!	May 02 16:30
Sosumi	a garçon at a bar could use a tablet to deliver drinks	May 02 16:31
msb_	Great movie about Russians fighting an alien invasion like they fought off the Nazis: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1093357/combined	May 02 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| The Darkest Hour (2011/I) [ http://ur1.ca/h8nff ]		May 02 16:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XBMC 13.0 Gotham – Release Candidate 1	May 02 16:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rwG83S5BaM	May 02 16:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8nga	May 02 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| XBMC 13.0 Gotham – Release Candidate 1 \| Tux Machines		May 02 16:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NixOS 14.04 Is a Unique Operating System That	May 02 16:39
TweetTuxMachines	Uses KDE 4.2 http://t.co/hHbbgM1BRH	May 02 16:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8ngb	May 02 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NixOS 14.04 Is a Unique Operating System That Uses KDE 4.2 \| Tux Machines		May 02 16:39
Sosumi	gn	May 02 16:41
msb_	I think that NixOS headline should read KDE4.12, as in the text. KDE4.2 was godawful.	May 02 16:44
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cubezzz	http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08417	May 02 20:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement http://t.co/5ZgZliieuw	May 03 01:00
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Sosumi	and just got the firefox for fedora with kde	May 03 02:29
Sosumi	and it looks exactly the same as the osx version	May 03 02:29
Sosumi	gray gradient with transparency nor any fancies	May 03 02:30
Sosumi	and indeed it seems that the windows users are the ones at a loss	May 03 02:30
Sosumi	dark theme and they wont be able to read what's on the tabs	May 03 02:30
Sosumi	a about the awfulness of kde	May 03 02:32
Sosumi	well as of version 4.12 it became way too verbose	May 03 02:32
Sosumi	always showing notifications for everything	May 03 02:32
Sosumi	by default	May 03 02:32
cubezzz	every new version of KDE seems to create a new schism	May 03 02:34
Sosumi	<Sosumi> gray gradient with NO transparency nor any fancies	May 03 02:36
Sosumi	forgot the no	May 03 02:36
cubezzz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/phoenix-0.1.png	May 03 02:40
cubezzz	phoenix -> firebird -> firefox (icecat)	May 03 02:42
Sosumi	and M$ has finally issued a patch for the IE 0 day thing	May 03 02:44
Sosumi	how long did it took? 5 to 6 days?	May 03 02:44
cubezzz	going backwards firefox -> firebird -> phoenix -> netscape -> mosaic	May 03 02:44
Sosumi	I've always used either firefox or safari	May 03 02:45
cubezzz	firefox hasn't really been around that long	May 03 02:46
Sosumi	it saw its initial release in 2002	May 03 02:48
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4023467	May 03 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Yahoo says it knows best as it drops support for Do Not Track http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2342880/yahoo-says-it-knows-best-as-it-drops-support-for-do-not-track #prism #nsa #boycott #yahoo		May 03 02:48
schestowitz_bed2	"	May 03 02:48
schestowitz_bed2	And the problem is with those inferences. In my very first methods class-it's this basic--the professor warned us against 'data mining', that you could far too easily find spurious correlations.	May 03 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Yahoo says it knows best as it drops support for Do Not Track- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/h8mzy ]		May 03 02:48
schestowitz_bed2	With a paranoid police state, spying its own people, and therefore already distrustful of those people, those spurious correlations are a very dangerous thing.	May 03 02:48
schestowitz_bed2	"	May 03 02:48
schestowitz_bed2	"I've read that "do not track" was worthless anyway. Depending on the sites you visit to not track you simply because of a flag sounds silly."	May 03 02:48
schestowitz_bed2	"'Do not track' depends upon the sleaziest people in our society, the very people who think spam is not only a first amendment right, but a right by virtue of a capitalist system, to behave themselves."	May 03 02:48
schestowitz_bed2	"I think it could have value... imagine if web browsers recorded which sites proceeded to place ad cookies despite DNT being checked... bam! Instant list of spam sites."	May 03 02:49
schestowitz_bed2	At least Yahoo is honest about not obeying it	May 03 02:49
cubezzz	it's interesting that statcounter, w3counter, wikimedia all say google chrome is the most used browser	May 03 02:50
cubezzz	but then you have NetApplications which say IE is the most used browser	May 03 02:50
cubezzz	something fishy there	May 03 02:51
Sosumi	arstechnica also always shows IE as the dominant browser	May 03 02:51
Sosumi	now if the numbers are cooked or not, no idea	May 03 02:51
cubezzz	most people I know use firefox or chrome	May 03 02:53
cubezzz	also net applications admitted their stats are skewed	May 03 02:55
cubezzz	if it was from work, well... that's one thing	May 03 02:58
cubezzz	from home would be a lot different	May 03 02:58
cubezzz	it's like when businesses talk about Unix it's AIX, HP-UX, and Solaris	May 03 03:00
cubezzz	the BSDs and Linux aren't mentioned	May 03 03:01
schestowitz_bed2	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/01/vladimir-putin-ukraine-troops-withdrawal-angela-merkel	May 03 03:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Ukrainian troops launch Slavyansk assault, reports say \| World news \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8rlu ]		May 03 03:06
schestowitz_bed2	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/01/ukraine-military-conscription-pro-russia-separatists-donetsk	May 03 03:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Ukraine reintroduces conscription to counter threat of pro-Russia separatists \| World news \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8rlx ]		May 03 03:06
schestowitz_bed2	https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_e3b284bc2c9118a191c6.jpg	May 03 03:13
schestowitz_bed2	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute	May 03 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Roman salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h8rqp ]		May 03 03:32
schestowitz_bed2	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_American_flag_with_the_Bellamy_salute.jpg	May 03 03:32
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cubezzz	back in 2006 Sun was mailing out free Solaris 10 DVDs	May 03 03:34
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/462495347869495296	May 03 03:35
cubezzz	not sure if you got source code for everything with that one	May 03 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz tempting to see if I can find Hitler youth doing that same thing on Google......probably can.		May 03 03:35
cubezzz	there was 2 dvds in each package	May 03 03:37
cubezzz	one for Sparc, one for x86	May 03 03:38
cubezzz	except now old Sun folks say to use Nexenta, Schillix and Belenix	May 03 03:44
cubezzz	I'm not really up on the latest stuff	May 03 03:44
cubezzz	maybe open solaris is dead?	May 03 03:46
cubezzz	back in 2008 Toshiba and Sun announced plans to distribute Toshiba laptops with pre-installed OpenSolaris	May 03 03:48
schestowitz_bed2	https://poddery.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_a731ce07814ee0d88862.jpg	May 03 03:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google, Intel to make Chromebook announcement	May 03 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	on May 6 http://t.co/F96SAj8pmf	May 03 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8s00	May 03 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google, Intel to make Chromebook announcement on May 6 \| Tux Machines		May 03 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Ubuntu Unity Launcher gets a facelift with	May 03 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	Unity Drawers http://t.co/BG6SpOFZop	May 03 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8s01	May 03 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Ubuntu Unity Launcher gets a facelift with Unity Drawers \| Tux Machines		May 03 04:15
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DaemonFC	cubelog, Oracle closed Solaris back up as much as they could.	May 03 04:47
DaemonFC	err cubezzz	May 03 04:47
cubezzz	yeah I figured	May 03 04:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4025678	May 03 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gander22h@diasp.org: ## 9 Powerful Things Powered By Linux! ![Sub](http://www.efytimes.com/admin/useradmin/photo/ntiZ11819PM1182013.png) * [Bullet trains, New York Stock Exchange, Nuclear Submarine and more, here's a list of 9 powerful technologies powered by Linux!](http://efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=120870) #Linux		May 03 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> efytimes.com \| 9 Powerful Things Powered By Linux! [ http://ur1.ca/h8s70 ]		May 03 04:51
schestowitz	many of these things also run GNU, but Linux, as usual, gets all th credit	May 03 04:51
cubezzz	look at what uses gcc	May 03 04:56
schestowitz	http://rbth.com/business/2014/04/29/russia_pushes_brics_nations_to_establish_their_own_rating_agency_36307.html	May 03 05:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rbth.com \| Russia pushes BRICS nations to establish their own rating agency \| Russia Beyond The Headlines [ http://ur1.ca/h8s8m ]		May 03 05:01
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DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/microsofts-decision-to-patch-windows-xp-is-a-mistake/	May 03 05:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Microsoft’s decision to patch Windows XP is a mistake \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h8sce ]		May 03 05:25
DaemonFC	Microsoft is now patching Windows XP again. LOL	May 03 05:25
DaemonFC	http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/02/windows-xp-declines-to-die-sheds-mere-1-5-market-share-in-april/	May 03 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| Windows XP Declines To Die, Sheds Mere 1.5% Market Share In April \| TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/h8sdo ]		May 03 05:32
DaemonFC	People aren't even taking the end of support seriously.	May 03 05:32
cubezzz	The Big M has to herd everyone to win 8 :)	May 03 05:55
cubezzz	actually I think Linux will pick up some of the slack	May 03 05:56
cubezzz	people with a 2nd or even 3rd computer will run some Linux or BSD distro	May 03 05:56
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roy	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027618 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027622 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027628 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027631	May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Where Was Anal Rape Approved in the OLC Memos? http://www.emptywheel.net/2014/04/26/where-was-anal-rape-approved-in-the-olc-memos/ #cia #rape #torture		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.emptywheel.net \| Where Was Anal Rape Approved in the OLC Memos? \| emptywheel [ http://ur1.ca/h80lf ]		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: “we have a secret police force and I think that surprises people in a democracy such as California’s.” http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/State-Law-Hides-Investigations-of-Police-Misconduct-from-Public-Scrutiny-257080571.html		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.nbcbayarea.com \| State Law Hides Investigations of Police Misconduct from Public Scrutiny \| NBC Bay Area [ http://ur1.ca/h7rhq ]		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Sabry died from an accidental fall from the balcony" http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/egyptian-blogger-bassem-sabry-dies/2014/04/30/ed1f225e-d04e-11e3-a714-be7e7f142085_story.html		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtonpost.com \| Egyptian blogger Bassem Sabry dies - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0f ]		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #assange should be careful not to fall down the stairs or be forced out by fire alarm http://www.emptywheel.net/2014/04/26/doj-continues-its-multi-subject-investigation-of-wikileaks/		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.emptywheel.net \| DOJ Continues Its “Multi-Subject” Investigation of WikiLeaks \| emptywheel [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0g ]		May 03 07:17
roy	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027633 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027638 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027643 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027647	May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "shut down websites without a court order and collect Web browsing data on individuals" http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626304579505912518706936?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304626304579505912518706936.html like in #us and #uk		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> online.wsj.com \| Turkey's Erdogan: One of the World's Most Determined Internet Censors - WSJ.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8jj1 ]		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OK, not #Murdoch (WSJ). What does Wall Street's #Bloomberg say? http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-05-01/russia-moves-toward-china-style-internet-censorship #hypocrisy due to #nsa		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessweek.com \| Russia Moves Toward China-Style Internet Censorship - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0o ]		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Censorship to political pulls, is Indian media in crisis? http://www.hindustantimes.com/elections2014/election2014-placeholder/censorship-to-political-pulls-is-indian-media-in-crisis/article1-1215001.aspx one of the world's worst censors. #india		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.hindustantimes.com \| Censorship to political pulls, is Indian media in crisis? - Hindustan Times [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0p ]		May 03 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Self-censorship and #censorship in #china still unprecedented http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2014/05/03/2003589443 http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/arrests-censorship-and-propaganda-chinas-tiananmen-anniversary-dance/ http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/05/03/the-price-of-press-censorship-in-china/		May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.taipeitimes.com \| Self-censorship limits media: survey - Taipei Times [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0r ]		May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thediplomat.com \| Arrests, Censorship and Propaganda: China’s Tiananmen Anniversary Dance \| The Diplomat [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0s ]		May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> globalvoicesonline.org \| The Price of Press Censorship in China · Global Voices [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0t ]		May 03 07:18
roy	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027654 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027665 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027669 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027679	May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Back doors as a weapon http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/index.php/en/features/global-eye/31473-digital-arms-makers-build-nsa-arsenal-from-cyber-flaws #nsa #droNSA #war #surveillance		May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessmirror.com.ph \| BusinessMirror - Digital arms makers build NSA arsenal from cyber flaws [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0x ]		May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #drones achieve #blowback http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/yemen/al-qaida-threatens-to-hit-back-over-yemen-drone-strikes-1.1327501 http://www.gulf-times.com/region/216/details/390647/yemen-qaeda-warns-of-reprisal-over-drone-war and only #cia linked mercenaries profit from it		May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gulfnews.com \| Al Qaida threatens to hit back over Yemen drone strikes \| GulfNews.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8t0z ]		May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gulf-times.com \| Yemen Qaeda warns of reprisal over drone war [ http://ur1.ca/h8t10 ]		May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Anti-drone events in Central New York http://www.workers.org/articles/2014/05/02/anti-drone-events-central-new-york/ "war crimes", but Obama says it's not "war"		May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.workers.org \| Anti-drone events in Central New York » Anti-war » In the U.S. » Top » Workers World [ http://ur1.ca/h8t11 ]		May 03 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK telecoms infrastructure used to support controversial US #drone operations http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240219969/UK-telecoms-infrastructure-used-to-support-controversial-US-drone-operations reduces national security in #uk		May 03 07:18
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roy	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/462543532814000129	May 03 07:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @ralphholz @schestowitz Germany needs to grow a set and tell USA where to go.		May 03 07:22
roy	THey think that the NSA helps them. That's a poor NATO 'ally' notion.	May 03 07:22
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Guest43606	The selling out of Ukraine: what the CIA does not want Ukrainians to know	May 03 07:43
Guest43606	Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_05_03/The-selling-out-of-Ukraine-what-the-CIA-does-not-want-Ukrainians-to-know-3060/	May 03 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voiceofrussia.com \| The selling out of Ukraine: what the CIA does not want Ukrainians to know - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video [ http://ur1.ca/h8t6u ]		May 03 07:43
Guest43606	http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/292295	May 03 07:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.israelnationalnews.com \| Former CIA Chief: Don't Attack Iran without the U.S. - Latest News Briefs - Israel National News [ http://ur1.ca/h8t7u ]		May 03 07:47
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Guest43606	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027697 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027779 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027784 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027798	May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Botched executions show there’s no such thing as humane capital punishment http://theconversation.com/botched-executions-show-theres-no-such-thing-as-humane-capital-punishment-26248 #deathpenalty		May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theconversation.com \| Botched executions show there's no such thing as humane capital punishment [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9a ]		May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Torygraph helps US State Department #propaganda by spinning the term "terrorist" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10801975/Global-deaths-from-terrorism-rise-by-60-per-cent.html Kerry, who arms Syrian terrorists?		May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.telegraph.co.uk \| Global deaths from terrorism 'rise by 60 per cent' - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9c ]		May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #cia has #torture chambers in #africa too http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/2/djibouti-senate-cia.html		May 03 07:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 30 Retired Generals Urge Obama To Declassify The CIA Torture Report http://www.businessinsider.com/generals-declassify-cia-torture-2014-5#!HCdE8 #torture #cia #humanrights		May 03 07:54
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Guest43606	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027850 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027893 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4027906	May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #CIAPost covers #torture by #cia http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fine-print-us-cant-seem-to-shake-the-water-cure-as-a-method-of-interrogation/2014/05/01/8c08cfaa-cef6-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html?tid=hpModule_308f7142-9199-11e2-bdea-e32ad90da239		May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtonpost.com \| Fine Print: U.S. can’t seem to shake the ‘water cure’ as a method of interrogation - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9j ]		May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nat Hentoff: Lifting secrecy a matter of time http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20140503/OPINION02/305030004/Nat-Hentoff-Lifting-secrecy-matter-time #secrecy however erodes trust and legitimacy		May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.battlecreekenquirer.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9k ]		May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #cia agents "helped choose high value targets for Tomahawk cruise missile strikes in Iraq" http://groundreport.com/former-cia-spy-andre-le-gallo-recounts-his-time-in-iran-in-1978-79/		May 03 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> groundreport.com \| Former CIA spy Andre Le Gallo recounts his time in Iran in 1978-79 \| Lifestyle, Literature \| GroundReport.com – Latest World News & Opinions [ http://ur1.ca/h8t9l ]		May 03 07:54
Guest43606	https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/462564611959828480	May 03 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz #octocat		May 03 08:14
Guest43606	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/462573502890266624	May 03 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @ralphholz Yeh like the NSA helps the American people or the #GCHQ. Helps to sell them into slavery rather.		May 03 08:46
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msb_	MinceR: hasn't posted here for about 3.5 days. Anyone know what's up with him?	May 03 10:06
msb_	Ah, Whois request says " [Away] MinceR is away: extended away: on holiday"	May 03 10:10
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*TweetTuxMachines @RedditUbuntu favourited 'The Ubuntu Unity Launcher gets a facelift with...'		May 03 10:41
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roy	http://24.media.tumblr.com/663d70b08344f0841e191ad3520c08b4/tumblr_n4vor7gGpp1qcsoyvo1_1280.jpg	May 03 11:57
roy	msb_: I didn't notice	May 03 11:57
msb_	roy: He usually opposes me about socialism. 8^)	May 03 11:58
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roy	https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_849b194e589f6e0301b4.jpg	May 03 12:12
roy	https://twitter.com/MrZauruz/status/462550399749459968	May 03 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MrZauruz: @ANOWRT Russia has managed to incrementally improve national economy and living standards.. nothing wrong with that... the West has 'issues'		May 03 12:15
roy	https://twitter.com/MrZauruz/status/462544936752394240	May 03 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MrZauruz: @ANOWRT Western establishment didn't dismantle MIC structures after the Cold War but instead retained them. https://t.co/XydfboEXeO #reliant		May 03 12:15
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roy	https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/462514223650971648	May 03 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RT_com: West's cynical reaction to #Odessa tragedy bewilders, arouses resentment - Putin's spokesperson http://t.co/YcXK4wX8E2 #Ukraine		May 03 12:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Week in Techrights http://t.co/bgj1sCzQty	May 03 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8vk1	May 03 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/6U1ePawWtS	May 03 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8vk2	May 03 12:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Week in Techrights \| Tux Machines		May 03 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		May 03 12:54
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4025679	May 03 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com reshared: ## 9 Powerful Things Powered By Linux! ![Sub](http://www.efytimes.com/admin/useradmin/photo/ntiZ11819PM1182013.png) * [Bullet trains, New York Stock Exchange, Nuclear Submarine and more, here's a list of 9 powerful technologies powered by Linux!](http://efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=120870) #Linux		May 03 13:27
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schestowitz__	"Oh yeah, #gnulinux "	May 03 13:27
XFaCE	schestowitz__: Derek Khanna is a pretty cool guy	May 03 13:39
XFaCE	"Don't just attack the patent trolls, fix the system"	May 03 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Games http://t.co/E4ZfOL1QmJ	May 03 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8w0n	May 03 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 8 Things We Expect from the Rumored Google	May 03 14:17
TweetTuxMachines	Nexus 8 http://t.co/q0ZaEqBV0i	May 03 14:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8w0o	May 03 14:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DisplayPort Multi-Stream Transport Starts	May 03 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Games \| Tux Machines		May 03 14:17
TweetTuxMachines	Working On Linux http://t.co/Y9bqYRnHg6	May 03 14:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8w0p	May 03 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 8 Things We Expect from the Rumored Google Nexus 8 \| Tux Machines		May 03 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| DisplayPort Multi-Stream Transport Starts Working On Linux \| Tux Machines		May 03 14:17
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_Goblin	Quiet night...	May 03 16:03
msb_	http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/Cricketb.mp3	May 03 16:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Warsow 1.5 released http://t.co/HqA2TM0PcB	May 03 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8wnw	May 03 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Warsow 1.5 released \| Tux Machines		May 03 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Possible Features To Find In OpenGL 5.0	May 03 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uIAspTmHE9	May 03 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8wnx	May 03 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Possible Features To Find In OpenGL 5.0 \| Tux Machines		May 03 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mir 0.2.0 Under Development For Ubuntu 14.10	May 03 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EoKqyjra3E	May 03 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/h8wny	May 03 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mir 0.2.0 Under Development For Ubuntu 14.10 \| Tux Machines		May 03 16:30
msb_	http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/crickets.mp3	May 03 16:32
msb_	http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/62---Night-Atmosphere---Crickets,-Frogs,-Ducks.mp3	May 03 16:33
DaemonFC	http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/771738-linux-video-of-the-week-linux-sucks-but-actually-its-awesome	May 03 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Linux Video of the Week: Linux Sucks (But Actually It's Awesome) \| Linux.com [ http://ur1.ca/h8wqy ]		May 03 16:46
DaemonFC	I don't think that Mir is going to actually break anything.	May 03 16:46
DaemonFC	Having software that's exclusive to one distribution tends to mostly hurt users of that distribution.	May 03 16:47
DaemonFC	They're not benefiting from other distributions using the software and fixing bugs and adding features.	May 03 16:49
DaemonFC	Ubuntu's go it alone approach is probably why it has taken a few years for Unity to start to settle down and become something usable.	May 03 16:49
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_Goblin	I've alot of love for Ubuntu....it introduced my family to Linux.	May 03 17:22
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DaemonFC	I bought an entire shelf full of Yuban coffee while I was at the store. It went on sale for $4.99 and they all had $1 off peelies on them. So, $3.99. They're usually like $10 each.	May 03 18:42
DaemonFC	So, I think I have about two years worth of coffee now. :P	May 03 18:42
DaemonFC	There's nothing wrong with taking 4-5 peelies if you intend to buy 4-5 items that day. But, a lot of people take the peelies and just take them home or sell them on ebay. Pisses me off...	May 03 18:46
_Goblin	sounds like you got a peely good deal.........	May 03 18:53
_Goblin	im sorry.....cheap I know....	May 03 18:53
DaemonFC	mmhm	May 03 19:13
DaemonFC	Yeah, $3.99 for two pounds of good coffee almost never happens.	May 03 19:14
DaemonFC	Hell, even the stuff that tastes like dirt is like $4.50 now. :P	May 03 19:14
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