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MinceRgnApr 27 00:19
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cubezzzwell hwinfo is definitely an eye openerApr 27 01:41
cubezzzit can probe a ton of info Apr 27 01:44
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gulag2014Windows subscription model is on the horizon.  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/the-inevitable-arrival-of-subscription-based-windows/?comments=1Apr 27 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | The inevitable arrival of subscription-based Windows | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h6xzj ]Apr 27 04:41
cubezzzgoodApr 27 05:40
cubezzzthat will drive more folks off windowsApr 27 05:40
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Sosumihttp://www.voltairenet.org/article183486.htmlApr 27 08:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Blackstone and Jacob Rothschild, beneficiaries of Malaysia Airlines flight disappearance ? [ http://ur1.ca/h6z1e ]Apr 27 08:17
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schestowitz__Sosumi: sounds like bullshitApr 27 08:49
schestowitz__I've just started reading some bitsApr 27 08:49
Sosumiit was just another viewApr 27 08:50
schestowitz__RT cited and some of the silly theories that the US had something to do with itApr 27 08:50
schestowitz__Boeing messed upApr 27 08:50
schestowitz__And they don't even know whereApr 27 08:50
schestowitz__Using the incident to interject some disdain for something in the westApr 27 08:51
Sosumiothers are saying that someone did it in order to get their hands on the freescale engineers that were on board of that planeApr 27 08:51
Sosumibecause of the renessas chipApr 27 08:52
Sosumias for me, I'm not familiar with airplane control and I've haven't yet had the time to look into itApr 27 08:52
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schestowitz[11:01] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460350719925960704Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz Might help Russia to weed out comments by NSA.Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz[11:01] <schestowitz> well, that's anothr problem, government astroturfingApr 27 11:03
schestowitz[11:02] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/sumLucifer/status/460348947404320768Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sumLucifer: @schestowitz @Nildam85 Campus activism should start with learning civics and history. NSA scoops up everything, always has. duh... 'Merka!Apr 27 11:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460348669040926720Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz Good with power? Libya destroyed during her rein of terrorApr 27 11:03
schestowitzExactly, that was the goal. They showed Libya who the boss was. Sendign signal to M-E.Apr 27 11:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460343692566757377Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Canadian Government’s ‘Secure’ Phones Come Straight from the #NSA http://t.co/EvjzN5ZLIi so Canada is working for the US nowApr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.oodaloop.com | OODA Loop - The Canadian Government's 'Secure' Phones Come Straight from the NSAApr 27 11:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460343459246002176Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz: "Police shouldn’t be able to search people’s emails without a warrant" http://t.co/5QFBIuCsRk not terrorism-relatedApr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thehill.com | Privacy backers looking for email protections | TheHillApr 27 11:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460359609673596930Apr 27 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz If she's elected I'm going to turn my back on America...Apr 27 11:10
schestowitzA whole continent?!Apr 27 11:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460360706815442944Apr 27 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz If US citizens continue to vote for rat bastards....then YESApr 27 11:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460361484858441728Apr 27 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz sending the message to Iran that their nextApr 27 11:39
schestowitzThey have them surrounded by US bases already. Soon in Syria too?Apr 27 11:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/swamyforpm/status/460366184865476608Apr 27 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swamyforpm: @schestowitz @wikileaks U-turn https://t.co/BFMcgOoYO3 https://t.co/YhIXgQDd3E #WikiLeaks #YellowJournalism #YellowActivismApr 27 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: @Swamy39 Swamy provided political intelligence about election issues, but there's no evidence of being an agent. https://t.co/qgkWFzvAblApr 27 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: #IndiaVotes2014: Best right wing perspective on @Swamy39 Indira Gandhi cable by @drankuag http://t.co/UAyKf0lwiM #india #WikiLeaksApr 27 11:40
schestowitzhttp://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1398579860310978.jpgApr 27 11:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460373873179910144Apr 27 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz they gave up on Syria because of Russia now looks like they are targeting Ukraine insteadApr 27 12:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since MicrosoftApr 27 12:17
TweetTuxMachines                 cuts XP support http://t.co/W6c5BdzVntApr 27 12:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h70bsApr 27 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft cuts XP support | Tux MachinesApr 27 12:17
MinceRgeekingsApr 27 12:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460383209885532160Apr 27 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz: Leon Panetta, former director of #cia : America's greatest threat is from within http://t.co/2fTb3xwr3n dissent as "terror"Apr 27 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> billingsgazette.com | Panetta: America's greatest threat is from withinApr 27 12:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/460386061999697920Apr 27 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz first hand I can say many other govts do respect law of nations and do NOT abuse their embassies the way the US doesApr 27 13:02
schestowitzExceptionalism runs deep in the veins of some diplomats. "We meant well..."Apr 27 13:02
Sosumiof good intentions is hell filledApr 27 13:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/460389058309783552Apr 27 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz the ends never justify the means...and too often the ends are horrific tooApr 27 13:06
schestowitzNot for the corporations, they klnow what's good for themApr 27 13:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460390381176520704Apr 27 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: Causing a #Commotion MT @schestowitz: #usaid used 'social' network to destablise gov't. Could do same for anonymity. http://t.co/VtkG6hozLgApr 27 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thespec.com | More Internet than the InternetApr 27 13:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/460390742956199936Apr 27 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz a foreigner's opinionApr 27 13:45
schestowitzNo, check the polls. Only around 9% approval for Senate among US citizens.Apr 27 13:46
schestowitzhttp://www.taz.de/uploads/images/684x342/anwalt-assange.20110112-13.jpgApr 27 13:53
schestowitzhttp://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/interview/stallman-only-victims-of-tyranny-should-use-facebook-23600Apr 27 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techweekeurope.co.uk | Stallman: Only Victims Of Tyranny Should Use Facebook | TechWeekEurope UK [ http://ur1.ca/h70s6 ]Apr 27 13:55
schestowitz"Apr 27 13:56
schestowitzStallman supports WikiLeaks, despite accusations against Julian Assange: “Even if all the nasty things being said about Assange were true, I would still consider him a hero.”Apr 27 13:56
schestowitzHe also said the “torture” of Bradley Manning, the soldier who allegedly supplied material to WikiLeaks, may be designed to implicate Assange and allow him to be extradited to the US.Apr 27 13:56
schestowitzHe spoke against Facebook, saying in principle no one should use it because “abuse of personal information is Facebook’s business model”. However, since Facebook had a positive role in the Egyptian uprising, he would sanction its use “if you are living in a country with a tyrranical government.”Apr 27 13:56
schestowitz"Apr 27 13:56
msb__Sosumi: ?Apr 27 14:03
schestowitzstupid jheadline: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/julian-assange-punches-out-priest_n_5196551.htmlApr 27 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com | Julian Assange Punches Out Priest On Easter Sunday [ http://ur1.ca/h70v5 ]Apr 27 14:11
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/XkEMEApr 27 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Gun Questions: Round 9 ("Designed to kill?") - ImgurApr 27 14:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460407578317426689Apr 27 14:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz How much should be the price of women's rights & the rule of law? #Assange should just be allowed to ignore assault complaints?Apr 27 14:42
schestowitzAssange is not besieged by British authorities because of women's rights but because of WikileaksApr 27 14:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460410811589349376Apr 27 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz she has to position herself, thus, if she's runningApr 27 14:43
schestowitzThe threat to her is not GOP but "third party" candidates like GreensApr 27 14:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460410956603195393Apr 27 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz I keep up with A LOT, following you. But even an #OptimisticPessimist sometimes needs a funny cat pic tweet from Snowden filesApr 27 14:44
schestowitzSometimes I post cat pictures, but too much of it dilutes from important news :-)Apr 27 14:45
schestowitzI will post some "lighter" stuff for youApr 27 14:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gerge42/status/460413077373341696Apr 27 14:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gerge42: @SandraEckersley @schestowitz U mean like Snowden ignores his extr.request? Snowden is free while JA is stuck in an embassy.Apr 27 14:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/460413478457839616Apr 27 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz disliking does not eliminate legitimacy, but there are no good guys on either side of the Bundy conflictApr 27 14:46
schestowitzI don't like the pro-Bundy folks, but I think they're a symptom of true perception that money rules govApr 27 14:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460415530437197824Apr 27 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz agreed. Viz. Nader's run.Apr 27 14:51
schestowitzNader has been thoroughly demonised. I think he'll find it hard now.Apr 27 14:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417208905367552Apr 27 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Yup. Cat pics mentioned at recent Sci for the People conf cc @samueljredman @limako @ColdWarScience @isaiah_thompson #SFtP14Apr 27 14:57
schestowitzhttp://t.co/CPY648LzErApr 27 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-friendsofiris.wordpress.com | #FriendsOfIRIS #Sustainability #YorkU | Transparent | Inclusive | AccessibleApr 27 14:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417422873604096Apr 27 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Tnx! I need it to keep me positive as I deal with: http://t.co/CPY648LzErApr 27 14:59
schestowitzKnowing negatives doesn't need to keep one down. Not knowing the negatives should. Awareness leads to solutions.Apr 27 15:00
schestowitzThe war on Net Neutrality (soft censorship) is a big negative but news sites everywhere cover it, so there's resistance. #sopaApr 27 15:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417829355810817Apr 27 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Plus, isn't he really old? born February 27, 1934 (#Wikipedia)Apr 27 15:01
schestowitzI doubt he's that old. He looks 10 years younger.Apr 27 15:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460418117009932288Apr 27 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz OK, time to for me to stop #Faffing & get on with real work: grading final exams & finishing an annotated bibliography!Apr 27 15:02
schestowitz"Real world/work is indoctrination-imposed term that belittless what matters a lot, e.g. climate activismApr 27 15:03
msb__The philosophy of Ayn Rand is the basis for much of libertarianism and conservatism.  Here are some analyses of it -- interesting reading:Apr 27 15:05
msb__http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/23348-10-things-i-learned-about-the-world-from-ayn-rands-insane-atlas-shruggedApr 27 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readersupportednews.org | 10 Things I Learned About the World from Ayn Rand's Insane 'Atlas Shrugged' [ http://ur1.ca/h715p ]Apr 27 15:05
msb__http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/12/1119294/-Ryan-s-Hero-Ayn-Rand-Worshiped-A-Serial-Killing-PsychopathApr 27 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | Ryan's Hero, Ayn Rand, Worshiped A Serial Killing Psychopath! [ http://ur1.ca/h715x ]Apr 27 15:06
msb__http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/08/mark-ames-paul-ryans-guru-ayn-rand-worshipped-a-serial-killer-who-kidnapped-and-dismembered-little-girls.htmlApr 27 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Mark Ames: Paul Ryan’s Guru Ayn Rand Worshipped a Serial Killer Who Kidnapped and Dismembered Little Girls | naked capitalism [ http://ur1.ca/h7160 ]Apr 27 15:07
schestowitzhttp://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gifApr 27 15:13
schestowitzmsb__: hehApr 27 15:13
schestowitzwell, daily kosApr 27 15:13
schestowitzdirt by associationApr 27 15:14
MinceRthere's msb__'s favorite in the top left corner :>Apr 27 15:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460421525292593152Apr 27 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz LOL, try telling that to my students& publisher :) Anyhoo, they're all well versed in #ClimateChange science. #ProudProfessorApr 27 15:15
schestowitzMinceR: LOL, not quiteApr 27 15:15
schestowitzhe trusts PutinApr 27 15:15
schestowitzPutin guards the oligarchsApr 27 15:15
schestowitzso he's a Thatcherite perhapsApr 27 15:15
MinceRyou think he realizes that?Apr 27 15:15
schestowitz(Putin)Apr 27 15:16
msb__MinceR: top left corner of which page?Apr 27 15:16
MinceR161335 < schestowitz> http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gifApr 27 15:16
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TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/AlZ9abHohpApr 27 15:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h7192Apr 27 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scoop.it | Baseboard morphs BeagleBone Black into 3.5-inch...Apr 27 15:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460422541476388864Apr 27 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz IMO Nader looks young 'cos he's so active/activist. It's like moisturizer! Likewise, David Schindler & @DavidSuzuki in Canada.Apr 27 15:20
msb__I don't totally trust Putin, but he's trying to prevent the US from controlling the entire world by its military force, which is a very good thing.  And he hasn't invaded other nations and slaughtered millions of people.Apr 27 15:20
schestowitzmsb__: : scroll  upApr 27 15:20
schestowitzI didn't know Suzuki was almost 78, but Japanese have long lifespan and appearance differentApr 27 15:21
schestowitzmsb__: has Obama??Apr 27 15:22
msb__But MinceR says Stalin is "my favorite".  MinceR keeps lying about me, and his lies are easily refuted simply by quoting my previous remarks.Apr 27 15:22
schestowitzPutin has not been ruling Russia/USSR for a centuryApr 27 15:22
schestowitzObama inherits the major wars from BushApr 27 15:22
msb__schestowitz: Obama destroyed Libya.Apr 27 15:23
msb__... because it was socialist.Apr 27 15:23
MinceRhe's trying to prevent the US from controlling the entire world by controlling the entire world himselfApr 27 15:23
msb__MinceR: You're lying again.  What part of the entire world is Putin trying to control, other than the Eastern part of Ukraine?Apr 27 15:24
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MinceRgeorgia, for exampleApr 27 15:25
msb__...which does not want to be controlled by the Nazis that the US has inflicted on Ukraine.Apr 27 15:25
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MinceRalso, you keep defending communist dictatorships but Stalin is not your favoriteApr 27 15:25
MinceRcool story, bro.Apr 27 15:25
msb__MinceR: Georgia in what way?Apr 27 15:25
MinceRin the way that they invaded it.Apr 27 15:26
MinceRand putin is probably eyeing the baltic states and hungary nowApr 27 15:26
schestowitz!google lawsuit gorbachevApr 27 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Russian MPs seek to sue Gorbachev over USSR collapse ... - RT.com | http://rt.com/politics/gorbachev-ussr-collapse-lawsuit-568/Apr 27 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Russian MPs seek to sue Gorbachev over USSR collapse ... - RT.com | http://rt.com/politics/gorbachev-ussr-collapse-lawsuit-568/comments/Apr 27 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Russian dissident who copied the Gorbachev Foundation's archive ... | http://english.hotnews.ro/stiri-top_news-6209804-russian-dissident-who-copied-the-gorbachev-foundations-archive-mitterrand-and-gorbachev-wanted-the-european-socialist-union-thatcher-opposed-germanys-reunification.htmApr 27 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Novaya Gazeta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_GazetaApr 27 15:30
schestowitzSo we know what Russian MPs wantApr 27 15:31
schestowitzI have to agree with MinceR on thisApr 27 15:31
msb__MinceR: Looks like that was the result of a conflict between parts of Georgia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Georgia_warApr 27 15:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russo-Georgian war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h71bp ]Apr 27 15:31
schestowitzUS  is on the brink of debt-induced collapseApr 27 15:31
schestowitzIt almost went bust in Gaegan eraApr 27 15:31
schestowitzAnd Russia must be feelign like now is the time to make a moveApr 27 15:32
MinceRyeah, putin is good at making it look like they're merely helping russians out in internal conflictsApr 27 15:32
schestowitzUS alienated many alliesApr 27 15:32
schestowitzincluding many in Europe, not to mention east Asia, S America...Apr 27 15:32
schestowitzmsb__: Russia invaded Georgia when US and UK invaded IraqApr 27 15:33
MinceRhitler was also good at thisApr 27 15:33
schestowitzThey used it as (partly) an excuseApr 27 15:33
schestowitzIsrael did the same in GazaApr 27 15:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460426133805477888Apr 27 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @DavidSuzuki David Schindler b. 1940. I'm also inspired by lots of vibrant 70 & 80 yr old women!Apr 27 15:34
msb__Russia was helping South Ossetia repel attacks by Georgia.Apr 27 15:34
MinceRexcept south ossetia was a part of georgiaApr 27 15:35
schestowitzAppearance is not always indicative of health. 'Surgeries' help prove this. Longevity with AD not nice, either.Apr 27 15:35
MinceRbut don't let the facts in the way of your communist dictatorship propaganda.Apr 27 15:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/460426848539639808Apr 27 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Canada has been a US property at least since 2006, and probably long before.Apr 27 15:35
msb__[04/25/14 07:29] <msb__> That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.Apr 27 15:35
MinceRalso, post-communist dictatorship propagandaApr 27 15:35
MinceRyeah, it's always somebody else's faultApr 27 15:36
schestowitzFunny that US got Alaska to 'protect' Russia from the British.Apr 27 15:36
MinceRbecause stalin is a saintApr 27 15:36
schestowitzI read somewhere that UK was OK with Hitler as a tool for keeping STalin at bay (at first)Apr 27 15:37
schestowitzBut the source was not so reliableApr 27 15:37
MinceRmaybe they were more afraid of stalin than hitler at the timeApr 27 15:37
msb__MinceR lies that Stalin is "my favorite", even though I called Stalin a psychopath.Apr 27 15:37
MinceRand yet nothing stalin ever did was ever stalin's faultApr 27 15:38
schestowitzYYou trust PutinApr 27 15:38
MinceRfunny how things work in your world.Apr 27 15:38
schestowitzNot StalinApr 27 15:38
schestowitzPutin was a KGB officer in USSRApr 27 15:38
schestowitzSo he's as bad as can beApr 27 15:38
schestowitzHe's the lawless in a lawless 'state'Apr 27 15:38
schestowitzHe represents some of the most vicious things about USSRApr 27 15:39
msb__MinceR is lying again by putting the words in my mouth "nothing stalin ever did was ever stalin's fault".  I never said any such thing,Apr 27 15:39
MinceRyeah, you say it with different wordsApr 27 15:39
schestowitz"Stalin is ma homeboy" - msb__Apr 27 15:40
MinceRlike 163601 < msb__> [04/25/14 07:29] <msb__> That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.Apr 27 15:40
*schestowitz draws tshirt mockupsApr 27 15:40
MinceRbtw, afaik psychopathy begins in childhood and is not brought on by traumaApr 27 15:40
schestowitz!google beated up stalin childhoodApr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - July-August 1999: Stalin at Home - Harvard Magazine | http://harvardmagazine.com/1999/07/right.stalin.htmlApr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Early life of Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_StalinApr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Stalin, from Child to Bolshevik Leader: 1878 to 1922 - Macrohistory | http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch11-5b.htmApr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Joseph Stalin - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com | http://www.history.com/topics/joseph-stalinApr 27 15:40
MinceRsame with ASPD, iircApr 27 15:40
schestowitzSpanking of children very common in GermanyApr 27 15:41
MinceRit's also promoted by abrahamic religionApr 27 15:41
schestowitzmany that explains why Bush W and his dad were such assholesApr 27 15:41
MinceR"spare the rod and spoil the child" or some evil bullshit like thatApr 27 15:41
msb__schestowitz: " <schestowitz> "Stalin is ma homeboy" - msb__"  Maybe yours, Roy, not mine.Apr 27 15:41
schestowitz!google prescott bush hitlerApr 27 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news ... | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwarApr 27 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_BushApr 27 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Bush Family Funded Adolf Hitler - Rense | http://www.rense.com/general40/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htmApr 27 15:41
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Prescott Bush - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to Power ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTnHnjmCYjy4Apr 27 15:41
schestowitzmsb__: joke, exaggeration to the laughabkeApr 27 15:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460428365720473600Apr 27 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Pls advise, what's AD? Yup, I'm a plant demographer: N=B-D+I-E. #DeathComesAsTheEnd, Agatha Christie.Apr 27 15:42
schestowitzAzheimer disease. Some people live long in near vegetative state; some are lucid in their 90s.Apr 27 15:43
schestowitzAlzheimerApr 27 15:43
schestowitzSome look good and young (with help of 'surgeries') and die early (many examples), others look old and keep on goingApr 27 15:44
msb__MinceR: Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma.  Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this.Apr 27 15:47
msb__Stalinist RussiaApr 27 15:47
MinceRthat doesn't seem to fit with the definition of psychopathy at allApr 27 15:48
MinceRand certainly not every civilian who suffers under a communist dictatorship becomes a psychopathApr 27 15:48
msb__The definition is having no empathy nor conscience, and unjustifiedly harming others.Apr 27 15:49
MinceRthe definition is a lot more than that.Apr 27 15:49
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Other_characteristicsApr 27 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Psychopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaApr 27 15:50
MinceRif you're interested in psychopathy, i think The Mask of Sanity is a good read.Apr 27 15:50
msb__I'm talking about psychopathic behavior in an entire culture (which may not include everyone in that culture).Apr 27 15:51
msb__Psychopathy of the US culture results, not from trauma, but from intentional Bernaysian mind-control programming by ultra-wealthy US psychopaths.Apr 27 15:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3992422Apr 27 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Chicago is dismantling public schools against public opinion. This is part of the Gates/Broad attack on education. Teachers are blamed for poor performance when the real problem is poverty at home and starvation budgets for the school. In Chicago, they seem to be exploiting racism too. Public money is funneled into private hands in the name of serving the poor. http://www.alternet.org/education/despite-communApr 27 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.alternet.org | Chicago Pursuing School Privatization at Any Cost | Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/h71h0 ]Apr 27 15:57
msb__Basically that means that part of the school budget money is removed and given to private school owners as profit,Apr 27 16:00
schestowitzhttp://nsnbc.me/2014/04/26/us-brings-europe-to-brink-of-war-over-ukraine-intentionally/Apr 27 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nsnbc.me | US brings Europe to Brink of War over Ukraine - Intentionally | nsnbc international [ http://ur1.ca/h71hm ]Apr 27 16:00
schestowitz"Don’t, said a German analyst who reiterates that the US is systematically pushing Europe into a crisis for which the US has planned for decades."Apr 27 16:00
msb__Leaving less for teacher salaries, students' books, computers, etc.Apr 27 16:00
msb__In WWII, the US attacked socialist Russia by funding Hitler's Nazis.  In 2014, the US is attacking Russia by funding Nazis in Ukraine,Apr 27 16:02
schestowitz"US" as in plutocrats?Apr 27 16:03
schestowitzOr German-Americans?Apr 27 16:03
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_NazisApr 27 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneApr 27 16:03
msb__plutocratsApr 27 16:03
schestowitzI don't think you can geenralise like thisApr 27 16:03
schestowitzUS means US publicApr 27 16:03
schestowitzUS corporations means somethign elseApr 27 16:03
msb__Certain US ultra-wealthy provided 75% of the funding for Hitler's military buildup.Apr 27 16:04
msb__...in order to have Hitler kill off Socialism, which was threatening the profits of the ultra-wealthy.Apr 27 16:06
MinceRand you're saying all this in support of someone who is a dictator in cahoots with at least one christian cult, leading an invasion based on the same kind of casus belli hitler usedApr 27 16:09
MinceRfunnyApr 27 16:09
msb__No, MinceR, I'm not saying it in support of anybody.  Stop lying by attributing to me things I never said.  I am saying all this in order to explain the reasons behind what happened.Apr 27 16:12
MinceRyou keep lying in support of putin's conquest campaign.Apr 27 16:12
msb__What conquest campaign?Apr 27 16:13
MinceRthe one that's currently ongoing against ukraineApr 27 16:13
msb__That was started by a proxy attack by the US, using Ukrainian Nazis.  Putin is trying to protect Ukrainians who don't want to be ruled by those Nazis.Apr 27 16:15
MinceRso you saay.Apr 27 16:15
MinceRs/aa/a/Apr 27 16:15
msb__So many analysts say.  Do I have to find them for you?Apr 27 16:15
MinceRdo you also claim that hitler invaded czechoslovakia to protect the germans there?Apr 27 16:15
msb__No.Apr 27 16:15
MinceRputin's entire echo chamber says that? good for him.Apr 27 16:16
MinceRso what makes putin or ukraine special?Apr 27 16:16
msb__MinceR is claiming that most of the alternative press is "putin's entire echo chamber".Apr 27 16:16
MinceRalso, who will protect ukrainians who don't want to be ruled by putin?Apr 27 16:17
msb__The duly elected govt of Ukraine, until it was overthrown by the Nazis supported by the US.Apr 27 16:18
MinceRwho was a puppet of putinApr 27 16:19
MinceRalso, there are and were many dictators who were "elected", including hitlerApr 27 16:19
msb__I don't know, but he was elected.Apr 27 16:19
MinceRyeah, just like your favorite communist dictators keep getting "reelected"Apr 27 16:19
MinceRin races where nobody else is allowed to runApr 27 16:19
MinceRbut this is to be expected of someone who opposes democracyApr 27 16:20
msb__Well, elections by a fully informed citizenry is the best that can be done.Apr 27 16:20
MinceRthere are plenty more criteria for a fair election.Apr 27 16:20
MinceRalso, are you saying that ukrainians were fully informed when they elected yanukovych?Apr 27 16:20
msb__MinceR: Were other candidates prevented from running in the Ukraine election?Apr 27 16:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460434674620190720Apr 27 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Neuroscience advances r amazing. Improved understanding of dynamic feedbacks are strengthening linkages to ecosystem theory :)Apr 27 16:21
MinceRi don't knowApr 27 16:21
MinceRbut as far as i know, there were plenty of issues in ukraine beforeApr 27 16:22
msb__MinceR: Then don't imply they were if you don't know.Apr 27 16:22
MinceRdo you know?Apr 27 16:22
MinceRalso, in many of the states you advertise here regularly, other candidates _are_ prevented from running.Apr 27 16:22
MinceRand that's what i was commenting on.Apr 27 16:22
msb__As to being fully informed, Ukraine has socialists, nazis, and centrists, so between their various news sources the public must have had access to the entire political spectrum.Apr 27 16:25
MinceRexcept that didn't even work for hungary.Apr 27 16:25
MinceRbblApr 27 16:26
MinceRreApr 27 16:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux as a replacement for WindowsApr 27 17:38
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3991470Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MSNBC's Chris Hayes calls Bundy ranch supporters 'insurgents' http://www.examiner.com/article/msnbc-s-chris-hayes-calls-bundy-ranch-supporters-insurgents characterising them like "terrorists"Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__"Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.examiner.com | MSNBC's Chris Hayes calls Bundy ranch supporters 'insurgents' - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com [ http://ur1.ca/h72xe ]Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__'anyone to the right of Josef Stalin'?Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__I guess.... Image/photoApr 27 20:08
schestowitz__"Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gifApr 27 20:08
schestowitz__It's a handy imageApr 27 20:08
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3991855Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__"Money is power everywhere..."Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #zuckerberg a politician (or political force) because money is power in the US http://kiwaradio.com/local-news/congressman-king-targeted-by-amnesty-ads-financed-by-facebooks-mark-zuckerberg/ https://www.numbersusa.com/news/boehner-mocks-house-republican-concerns-over-amnestyApr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> kiwaradio.com | Congressman King Targeted By Amnesty Ads Financed By Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg | KIWARadio.com [ http://ur1.ca/h72xs ]Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.numbersusa.com | Boehner Mocks House Republican Concerns Over Amnesty | NumbersUSA [ http://ur1.ca/h72xu ]Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__"And power becomes corruption..."Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__Some systems put barriers in place, whereas SCOTUS rubberstamps the corruption into law (see recent court case)Apr 27 20:10
schestowitz__> http://mrpogson.com/2014/04/26/surface-loses/Apr 27 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Surface Loses | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/h72zt ]Apr 27 20:14
schestowitz__Article posted about it earlier. I wonder how long Enronsoft can go on for...Apr 27 20:14
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3993573Apr 27 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pretty soon, we could all be using the Dark Net http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/jamiebartlett/100013293/pretty-soon-we-could-all-be-using-the-dark-net/ #torApr 27 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.telegraph.co.uk | Pretty soon, we could all be using the Dark Net – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/h72vs ]Apr 27 20:31
schestowitz__"HAHAHA... Perfect analogy Chris. I2p is a darknet."Apr 27 20:31
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3992404Apr 27 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #europe 's #nuclear #risks. http://europeangreens.eu/nuclearApr 27 20:35
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schestowitz__"That would need us to drop nuclear power completely. I hope it will happen, but I don't believe in humanity anymoer, as it failed me many times. Humanity acts in illogical way, completely discarding any foreseeing, acting without any imagination. Short-term benefits make humanity blind and deaf on the risk."Apr 27 20:35
schestowitz__"Russia wants a war. Look how close they put their country to our troops!"Apr 27 20:36
MinceRhttp://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2023393433_apxrussiaputin.htmlApr 27 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-seattletimes.com | Putin admits Crimea troops were his, calls east Ukraine 'new Russia' | Nation & World | The Seattle Times [ http://ur1.ca/h73cu ]Apr 27 21:03
Sosumihe'd would have been smarter and more historically accurate then if he had called ukraine "little russia"Apr 27 21:08
Sosumior russiniaApr 27 21:08
MinceR:>Apr 27 21:08
schestowitz__MinceR: can we trust the source though?Apr 27 21:36
MinceRdunnoApr 27 21:36
schestowitz__Putin's press versus Wall Streeet's (Bloomberg)Apr 27 21:36
schestowitz__Sounds like propaganda to meApr 27 21:36
schestowitz__not just because of the source but because it conflcts with other things I readApr 27 21:36
schestowitz__just more infowarsApr 27 21:37
MinceRthere's probably video of itApr 27 21:37
schestowitz__!google hillary clinton information war losingApr 27 21:37
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schestowitz__I think she also commended Russia TodayApr 27 21:37
schestowitz__Can't recall if it was herApr 27 21:38
schestowitz__I think people turn to such channels now because they can trust these more than the corporations'Apr 27 21:38
schestowitz__MinceR: it's an AP report actuallyApr 27 21:39
schestowitz__i studied who runs it a while back, and ReutersApr 27 21:39
MinceRi mean, video of putin saying whateverApr 27 21:39
schestowitz__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_PressApr 27 21:40
schestowitz__"Headquarters New York City, New York, U.S."Apr 27 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Associated Press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73kg ]Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__I remembered this correctluApr 27 21:40
Sosumiaren't reuters and AP owned by the same dudes?Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__income and revenue down for APApr 27 21:41
schestowitz__people go elsewhere for infoApr 27 21:41
schestowitz__and papers that license APT articles go under or lose readers to blogs and stuff, I guesApr 27 21:41
schestowitz__AP pretends to be intl'Apr 27 21:41
schestowitz__cooperativeApr 27 21:42
schestowitz__but it's steered from Wall Str.Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__and as my wife reads AP every day I can easily see their biasApr 27 21:42
schestowitz__US deaths count moreApr 27 21:42
schestowitz__and most of thr world is not even front page materialApr 27 21:42
schestowitz__So to expect US favouritism and acceptance (blind) of US conquest is naturalApr 27 21:43
schestowitz__"they meant well..."Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__Good guysApr 27 21:43
schestowitz__"Cutbacks at longtime U.S. rival United Press International, most significantly in 1993, left the AP as the primary nationally oriented news service based in the United States, although UPI still produces and distributes news stories and photos daily. Other English-language news services, such as Reuters and the English-language service of Agence France-Presse, are based outside the United States."Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AP_headquarters.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_associated_press_building_in_new_york_city.jpgApr 27 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:AP headquarters.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73lk ]Apr 27 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:The associated press building in new york city.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73ll ]Apr 27 21:44
schestowitz__Not news from the people for the people by the peopleApr 27 21:44
schestowitz__news from corporations, billionaires etc.Apr 27 21:44
MinceRgnApr 27 23:09
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_Goblinschestowitz__, just heard the show...great stuff but you need to take the bass out of my voice a little....Apr 27 23:41
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460549451711393792  https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460549968529354753Apr 28 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz Rubbish. Totally invented. There are no charges bought against #Assange for anything published by #Wikileaks. Fact.Apr 28 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz Every major publishing house has said they would help defend #Assange if he was ever charged over his publishing. No charges.Apr 28 01:40
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DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/active-0day-attack-hijacking-ie-users-threatens-a-quarter-of-browser-market/Apr 28 05:49
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DaemonFCThis one exists in XP and won't be patched. The first of many.Apr 28 05:49
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MinceRgeekingsApr 28 09:12
schestowitz__https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_eae6fb993cc93abedde4.jpgApr 28 09:15
schestowitz__MinceR: http://c3.likes-media.com/img/ed6eaa768c2805d1f5cd0001b67592d2.600x.gifApr 28 10:21
schestowitz__pussy https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_afdeb0eb86a4221ce9c8.jpg SFWApr 28 10:22
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Sosumihttp://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/28/apple-regains-market-iphone5s-sales/Apr 28 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Regains Market Share in Some Countries with Strong iPhone 5s Sales - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h77wd ]Apr 28 11:08
Sosumiblackberry kaput and windblows phone still trying to catch a favourable wind currentApr 28 11:08
schestowitz__in some countriesApr 28 11:08
schestowitz__lying with statsApr 28 11:09
schestowitz__like calling out only stats in USApr 28 11:09
schestowitz__as MS likes to doApr 28 11:09
schestowitz__Apple too, I guess, or in japanApr 28 11:09
Sosumiarrh it is like you're making android the divine god given mobile OS and the iphone os the devilApr 28 11:10
Sosumiboth are crapApr 28 11:10
Sosumithe only version of android I'd touch would only be the open source oneApr 28 11:11
Sosumifree of the google snooping junkApr 28 11:11
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3996523Apr 28 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #macrumors and other pro-Apple sites: finding angles to make positive-sounding #apple news even when the news is generally badApr 28 11:11
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3996528Apr 28 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ArsTechnica - couldn't be Arsed to actually #research #microsoft facts, so instead appointed a Microsoft prop to push Microsoft agendaApr 28 11:11
Sosumiit is just some number to ponder aboutApr 28 11:11
schestowitz__Sosumi: you can run FOSS on AndroidApr 28 11:12
schestowitz__!google apple store gplApr 28 11:12
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schestowitz__We use Firefox on Android for instanceApr 28 11:12
schestowitz__Although my wife starts preferring Chrome, unfortunatelyApr 28 11:12
schestowitz__Also, many android phones can be modded and reflashedApr 28 11:13
schestowitz__Apple makes it harder to even remove the batteries (surveillance even when turned off)Apr 28 11:13
Sosumiof the popular android phones around only the samsung lets you remove the batteryApr 28 11:14
schestowitz__hmmm... I didn't see many othersApr 28 11:14
Sosumiso for other manufacturers, HTC, LG...Apr 28 11:14
schestowitz__Maybe you're right, I didn't checkApr 28 11:14
schestowitz__All models?Apr 28 11:14
Sosumiall the high end for sureApr 28 11:14
schestowitz__That's freaky weirdApr 28 11:14
Sosumitry to remove the battery on the nexus 5Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__I wonder if the FCC et al. will start pushing for this as 'standard'Apr 28 11:15
Sosumior the htc oneApr 28 11:15
schestowitz__the two mobile I used to use sometimes (bought anonymously) made it easy to remove the batts quicklyApr 28 11:15
schestowitz__With Nexus 7 it's hard, but it's a tabletApr 28 11:15
schestowitz__gtgApr 28 11:15
schestowitz__bblApr 28 11:15
Sosumican't remove the battery on the LG G2 eitherApr 28 11:16
msb__Doesn't the android OS do all sorts of things that the user may need to modify, thus need the source code of the OS and the ability to alter the OS image in the phone/tablet?Apr 28 11:17
msb__Such as communication with USB devices.Apr 28 11:17
Sosumiit can because google provides the source code, but then comes issues like drivers, optimization and so onApr 28 11:18
Sosumior features that as custom to specific maker and enabled only on his forkApr 28 11:19
Sosumilike blinking ledsApr 28 11:19
msb__Right, you would need full info like you get with a GNU/Linux system.Apr 28 11:19
Sosumithat is why the best phones for such endeavours have been the nexus linesApr 28 11:20
Sosumithey're just "simple"Apr 28 11:20
Sosumithere's also a manufacturer who sell cyanmogen mod flashed phonesApr 28 11:21
SosumiI think it is called 1 plus oneApr 28 11:21
Sosumihttp://oneplus.net/Apr 28 11:22
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msb__Lots of additional features:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenModApr 28 11:24
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msb__Sosumi: The OnePlus is interesting, but there's a lot of commercial hype in its website.Apr 28 11:40
Sosumiyeah Apr 28 11:41
SosumiI noticed thatApr 28 11:41
Sosumijust wait and seeApr 28 11:41
msb__And it doesn't say whether the thing is open source or not.Apr 28 11:41
Sosumiprobably asstechnica will review it or somethingApr 28 11:41
msb__...or to what extent.Apr 28 11:41
MinceRSosumi: the point is that android is _less_ crap than most of the others :>Apr 28 11:41
MinceRin many areas of IT, we can't help but settle for 'less crap'Apr 28 11:42
Sosumiaka, this turd smells less bad than the otherApr 28 11:42
Sosumiopen source android is the way to goApr 28 11:43
Sosumibut I'm not sure how's the deal with storesApr 28 11:44
Sosumior so to say if there's something similar to the ubuntu way of browsing software thereApr 28 11:44
MinceRhttps://ribanc.com/files/10314513_10203491704150423_3394958408642256854_n.jpgApr 28 11:49
MinceRSosumi: f-droidApr 28 11:50
SosumiFUBARing droidApr 28 11:51
Sosumiit goes in and everything gets f'ed up beyond any recognitionApr 28 11:52
Sosumijust bits and piecesApr 28 11:52
MinceR124141 < Sosumi> probably asstechnica will review it or somethingApr 28 11:57
MinceRand then say "this is not a hypePhone, so it sucks"?Apr 28 11:57
MinceRor only index.hu does that every single time?Apr 28 11:57
Sosumi"asstechnica"Apr 28 11:58
Sosumi"ASStechnica"!Apr 28 11:58
MinceRarse technicaApr 28 11:59
Sosumi:)Apr 28 11:59
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/460653370420649984Apr 28 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NinaByzantina: If you see #Putin everywhere, it might be good to visit a psychiatrist. ;) | Паранойя зашкаливает: пора к психиатору. http://t.co/20xoxEMRgvApr 28 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NinaByzantina: If you see #Putin everywhere, it might be good to visit a psychiatrist. ;) | Паранойя зашкаливает: пора к психиатору. http://t.co/20xoxEMRgvApr 28 13:42
Sosumidalai lama on the top with his mysticism and superstition is betterApr 28 13:42
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msb__Sosumi: Are you there?Apr 28 14:24
SosumiI'am nowApr 28 14:25
msb__Cartoon Network showed the next to the last episode of Ghost in the Shell SAC first season Sunday morning.Apr 28 14:27
msb__There is a fair amount of philosophy in it.  Motoko realizes that some of the tachikomas sacrificed themselves to save Batou's life.  (Section 9 is being attacked by a corrupt branch of govt that Section 9 exposed.)Apr 28 14:28
msb__She thinks that maybe the tachikomas have developed ghosts, and wished she'd paid more attention to that before.Apr 28 14:29
Sosumithe tachikomas had developed personalities of their ownApr 28 14:30
Sosumiaka, they became differentiatedApr 28 14:30
Sosumiand the synching of information between them no longer guaranteed that the robots would behave the sameApr 28 14:30
msb__Yes, although they shared some of the personalities, because they frequently connected with one another.Apr 28 14:31
Sosumito contribute to that was also Batou's attachment for a particular tachikomaApr 28 14:31
msb__And they loved the "natural oil" that he have them.Apr 28 14:31
SosumiyeahApr 28 14:31
msb__But regardless of the differentiation or similarity of their personalities, they had developed ghosts -- consciousness.Apr 28 14:32
msb__They were not robots anymore, but synthetic people.Apr 28 14:32
SosumiyepApr 28 14:33
Sosumithat is what "ghost" means consciousness, intuition, built on past experiences from situations, books and in general, lifeApr 28 14:34
msb__Also Motoko and Batou were talking about how they each used physical objects -- she a wristwatch and he his (useless) weight-training equipment -- to remind themselves, or prove to themselves, that they were still people, even though they were fully cyberized, in synthetic bodies.  Apr 28 14:35
Sosumijust because their bodies are made of inorganic matter doesn't mean that it wouldn't be aliveApr 28 14:35
msb__yesApr 28 14:35
Sosumiit is memento of whom they wereApr 28 14:36
msb__Thus ghosts in the metallic shell.Apr 28 14:36
Sosumiif they had been born mechanical in the first placeApr 28 14:36
Sosumithey wouldn't have felt that wayApr 28 14:36
msb__Unless, like the tachikomas, they had evolved to it.Apr 28 14:37
Sosumiyes, but tachikomas wouldn't feel the need for such mementosApr 28 14:37
MinceRhttp://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1992.htmlApr 28 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geekculture.com | The Joy of Tech comic... Net Neutrality walks into a bar... [ http://ur1.ca/h795o ]Apr 28 14:37
MinceRno plastic?Apr 28 14:38
Sosumimeh plasticApr 28 14:38
Sosumigief carbon nanotubeApr 28 14:38
Sosumiwhen crapple builds an hypephone out of that, I'll buy oneApr 28 14:39
Sosumiso I caqn flash it with open source androidApr 28 14:39
msb__In the 1995 GITS movie, Motoko pulls so hard on the hatch of a tank that she tears her skin, and reveals the mechanical parts underneath.Apr 28 14:40
SosumiyepApr 28 14:40
Sosumithe lesson of the 1995 movie is that randomness is what keeps the things flowingApr 28 14:41
Sosumithat was why motoko got togusa which is basically human out of the policeApr 28 14:41
msb__How so?Apr 28 14:41
MinceRcarbon nanotubes are organic, aren't they?Apr 28 14:41
Sosumito enter an element of randomness on the team of overspecialized and augmented membersApr 28 14:42
MinceRSosumi: when crApple has Foxconn build a hypePhone out of carbon nanotubes, all their competitors will already have such productsApr 28 14:42
msb__MinceR: Yes, in that they are CHON, but they are not alive.Apr 28 14:42
MinceRneither are plasticsApr 28 14:42
MinceRand yet they're organic as wellApr 28 14:42
Sosumiand that the bodie is merely a vehicle for the mindApr 28 14:42
Sosumiand what matters is the continuance of that same mindApr 28 14:42
Sosumialso to ensure survivability the puppeteer chooses to merge with motokoApr 28 14:42
Sosumibecause merely copying himself over and over again would only lead to the stagnation of himselfApr 28 14:43
Sosumiand the change for him to be wiped cleanApr 28 14:43
Sosumithink of it on the same lines of animal diversityApr 28 14:43
msb__Right, and, yes, he says that variability -- randomness -- is necessary to avoid stagnation.Apr 28 14:43
SosumiyepApr 28 14:44
Sosumicarbon is organicApr 28 14:44
msb__The word "organic" has two different meanings.  In chemistry, it's compounds comprised of CHON, but elsewhere it means "alive" -- product of DNA, enzymes, etc.Apr 28 14:45
MinceRwhat's alive?Apr 28 14:46
SosumiI amApr 28 14:46
Sosumiwhat about you?Apr 28 14:46
Sosumi:PApr 28 14:46
MinceR"Life is a characteristic distinguishing objects having signaling and self-sustaining processes from those that do not"Apr 28 14:46
MinceRit doesn't say anywhere that, say, a nanomachine couldn't be alive :>Apr 28 14:46
msb__Reproduction is another characteristic of being alive.Apr 28 14:50
MinceRwhich is yet another thing machines could be capable ofApr 28 14:51
MinceRgrey goo, for example :>Apr 28 14:51
msb__So Motoko merges with the Puppet Master in the 1995 movie, who did have a synthetic origin.  He was an AI created by some govt as a weapon, but evolved to consciousness in the Net.Apr 28 14:51
Sosumiit was built for edging international affairsApr 28 14:52
msb__And in SAC season 2, she merges with the cyberized guy who was helping the refugees.Apr 28 14:52
Sosumithat was probably why it was so versed in philosophyApr 28 14:52
Sosumino idea about SAC2Apr 28 14:53
SosumiI'm not fan of those seriesApr 28 14:53
Sosumiin the movies is where the magic isApr 28 14:54
msb__So you said.  That's why I mentioned the philosophizing in that episode of SAC1.  It's worth watching!Apr 28 14:54
Sosumiit is light philosophy, nothing specialApr 28 14:54
msb__Motoko remembers her childhood in SAC2.Apr 28 14:55
SosumiI had read all that before in other booksApr 28 14:55
msb__Anyhow, I found a copy of Patlabor 1 and am about halfway through it.  It's pretty good.  I haven't found Patlabor 2 yet.Apr 28 14:57
msb__Thanks for suggesting them.Apr 28 14:57
Sosumiwhat goes on in gits has been written by Liebnitz, aristotle, plato, bertrand russel, norbert wiener, etc.Apr 28 14:57
Sosumijust go to kickass torrentsApr 28 14:57
msb__Yes, but itApr 28 14:57
Sosumithe two movies are thereApr 28 14:57
msb__'s much more fun in anime'!Apr 28 14:58
msb__Not Patlabor 2 dubbed, that I've found so far.Apr 28 14:58
Sosumiit is subbedApr 28 14:58
msb__I don't like subtitles.Apr 28 14:58
SosumilolApr 28 14:58
msb__Anyhow, nothing seeded in kat.Apr 28 15:01
msb__So what's your idea about why Motoko likes to work naked?  I have three theories: 1. the thermoptic camo works better that way 2. she enjoys being a girl 3. fan service!Apr 28 15:06
Sosumicamo with fan serviceApr 28 15:07
Sosumiand to make it look "adult"Apr 28 15:07
msb__Works for me!Apr 28 15:08
msb__An interesting thing I've noticed about anime's is that the characters aren't drawn with the epicanthic fold.  They don't look Asian!Apr 28 15:12
Sosumion ghost in the shell?Apr 28 15:12
msb__In any of them that I've seen.  Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Inuyasha, to name the more famous ones.Apr 28 15:13
Sosumino ideaApr 28 15:14
msb__I don't know if they're aiming for the US market, or if the creators don't like that facial feature themselves, which would be weird.Apr 28 15:15
MinceRor it's just extra complexity which would slow down drawingApr 28 15:16
MinceRand wouldn't help with facial expressionsApr 28 15:16
msb__maybeApr 28 15:17
msb__In GITS and Inuyasha, the locale is explicitly Japan.Apr 28 15:19
Sosumigits is in a fictional "new port city"Apr 28 15:20
Sosumiafter a warApr 28 15:21
msb__But it is in Japan.  At least the SAC series is.Apr 28 15:21
msb__And the faces are drawn fairly accurately, to look human, not cartoonish.  But no folds.Apr 28 15:23
msb__I saw a movie a long time ago which had a woman getting, or wanting, plastic surgery to remove the fold, and the conflict this caused with her boyfriend.Apr 28 15:30
MinceR(javascript) http://alexnisnevich.github.io/untrusted/Apr 28 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alexnisnevich.github.io | Untrusted - a user javascript adventure game [ http://ur1.ca/h79hk ]Apr 28 15:30
msb__... who was maybe a US soldier/sailor?  William Holden?Apr 28 15:31
msb__OK, a game in which you have to actually *write* javascript in order to play!  Weird!Apr 28 15:37
msb__Sosumi: How about WXIII Patlabor the Movie 3?  Is that one good?Apr 28 15:41
Sosumiit is okApr 28 15:54
Sosumiabout synthetic biologyApr 28 15:54
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msb__Sosumi: Thanks!Apr 28 16:02
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460681608362594304/photo/1Apr 28 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: To the Record Industry Assoc. of America: @seeved @_goblin @schestowitz http://t.co/rVgQMmVy1tApr 28 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: To the Record Industry Assoc. of America: @seeved @_goblin @schestowitz http://t.co/rVgQMmVy1tApr 28 17:34
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460662905310945282Apr 28 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @_Goblin @schestowitz great podcast Games could be made into free software if the concept of @Bittunes works out http://t.co/7RYayMwCw6Apr 28 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bittunes.org | bittunes… an independent digital music market - bittunes.orgApr 28 17:41
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460677478856404992  https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460675209150746624  https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460674403937050624   https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/46067358229765734Apr 28 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes those that destroy talent for profit & set a artist status quo @_Goblin @schestowitzApr 28 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz major labels, publishers, rights collectors, intermediaries, aggregators, (a bloated value chain)Apr 28 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes the middle men rec agencys? @_Goblin @schestowitzApr 28 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, that page does not existApr 28 17:44
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460673582297657344Apr 28 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: and all the other pigs with their heads in the trough, go hungry... #disintermediation @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitzApr 28 17:45
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460671119851155456  https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460669327562539008  https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460663280961191936Apr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: That's the idea... Both profit. "@SEEVed: @bittunes It looks like a model that will work for Users & Creators @_Goblin @schestowitz"Apr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes It looks like a model that will work for Users & Creators @_Goblin @schestowitzApr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz lots of potential.. But slowly slowly catch the monkey.Apr 28 17:46
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460669327562539008Apr 28 17:47
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460673582297657344    https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460674403937050624  https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460675209150746624  https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460677478856404992Apr 28 17:48
DaemonFCshared a link.Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC3 minutes agoApr 28 19:35
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1404_encryption&num=1Apr 28 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] The Performance Impact Of Linux Disk Encryption On Ubuntu 14.04 LTS [ http://ur1.ca/h7b1r ]Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCLUKS is pretty easy to set up on Ubuntu. All you need to do, really, is check "set up LVM" and "encrypt my partitions" (or something to that effect), and then enter a strong password.Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCPretty much everyone that takes their laptop with them through an international customs checkpoint or onto an airplane with them should do this. ICE and the TSA have a nasty habit of flipping open your laptop and searching it and/or copying all your files. Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCAlarmingly, the Supreme Court has let them get away with this, even when they don't have probable cause or a warrant to search you.Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCIf your entire disk is encrypted with LUKS and you have a strong password, they're not going to get anything off of it.Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCWindows, on the other hand, *says* you can use full disk encryption, but Microsoft gave most governments backdoors that instantly decrypt your hard drive.Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, What those videos that tell you what to say to the police don't tell you is that by saying any of that, you basically might as well be saying "Officer, please beat me up and then spend an hour tearing through my car, then make it legal later because the judge is an asshole, and throw in a resisting arrest charge as well, please."Apr 28 19:37
DaemonFCSaying anything other than the bare minimum that you legally have to to the police or filling out a "statement" of any kind is a really awful idea.Apr 28 19:39
DaemonFCWhen they say they want your side of the story, what they really mean is that they want you to talk, and they're hoping that you can give them some more damning information that they can use against you later. They're not looking to "be fair" about anything at all.Apr 28 19:39
DaemonFCThe Indiana legal system is turning into something like those courts they have in China.Apr 28 19:40
DaemonFCAnyone who goes there is guilty by default, and the more you protest, the more guilty you must be.Apr 28 19:40
DaemonFCAlthough, I did have one friend that managed to go in there without a lawyer after wisely shutting the hell up during the whole process, and the state's case fell apart because they really had no evidence at all. I was shocked, because I've really never seen anyone go in there for anything without a lawyer and walk back out without shackles.Apr 28 19:42
DaemonFCI don't think that the system is as racist as people say it is, at least not directly. It treats POOR PEOPLE like shit, and it might be indirectly racist because more black people tend to be poor.Apr 28 19:43
DaemonFCMeanwhile, there was that rich white CEO that beat up his girlfriend over 100 times and then complained that he had to pay a $500 fine.Apr 28 19:44
DaemonFCIt really is a system of inferior justice for the poor.Apr 28 19:45
DaemonFCIf he had been making $20,000 a year and living in a trailer, he would have gotten a felony and a number of years in prison.Apr 28 19:45
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Sosumiluckily or notApr 28 21:55
SosumiI've had a test machine running windows 8.1 for 20 days non stopApr 28 21:56
DaemonFChttp://mashable.com/2014/04/28/microsoft-nadella-path-bug-xp/Apr 28 21:56
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Sosumiwhile learning my ways around VS and getting to know the whole .net crapApr 28 21:57
MinceR...by closing shop.Apr 28 21:57
DaemonFCSo, basically, there are millions of Windows XP systems out there that can all be taken over with this one bug.Apr 28 21:57
Sosumiwith no issues nor any erratic behaviorApr 28 21:57
Sosumithe same I can't tell about a osx machine I have which starts displaying erratic behavior just after 3 daysApr 28 21:58
Sosumior not clearing the ramApr 28 21:58
MinceRsomeone mentioned that there are other well known unfixed bugs as wellApr 28 21:58
MinceRolder ones, tooApr 28 21:58
Sosumithe IE zero day thing?Apr 28 21:59
MinceRyesApr 28 21:59
Sosumithere was also a flash 0 day patch released todayApr 28 21:59
MinceRflash should also hurry up and dieApr 28 21:59
Sosumiyep because no tablet or phone supports itApr 28 21:59
MinceRand because it sucksApr 28 22:00
SosumiyepApr 28 22:00
MinceRand because it's made by idiots who have no hope of ever making anything that does not suckApr 28 22:00
Sosumi:)Apr 28 22:00
Sosumiok one issue with the winblows machineApr 28 22:01
Sosumijust discovered it nowApr 28 22:01
Sosumiafter certain point, windows fails to automatically lock the issueApr 28 22:02
Sosumias I had it configuredApr 28 22:02
sebsebsebSosumi: MinceR deam unforutnaty swithing these old WIndows XP machines over to LInux,  is not always so simle nwoApr 28 22:03
sebsebsebupstream have messed things upApr 28 22:03
sebsebsebthere's  issues with isolinux syslinux whatever it was cuasing boot up probemsApr 28 22:03
MinceRno cd/dvd boot support?Apr 28 22:04
sebsebsebat least Mageia is trying to get such issues fixed for a Mageia 4.1 release, but  I still haven't just been able to test iso'S for that on  an old XP computer here,  becuase of isuses with burners uhApr 28 22:04
DaemonFCMinceR, The problem here is that Microsoft *will* patch this, but that the patch won't be publicly released, through official channels at least.Apr 28 22:04
sebsebsebMinceR: yes loads of verisons of distor's  won't even boot up on that old omputerApr 28 22:04
sebsebsebfrom the last three years or so it seems or moreApr 28 22:04
DaemonFCWhat will happen is that the companies and government agencies that have paid a fortune for end of life support will still get the patches, but nobody else will, and millions of XP systems are going to become zombies.Apr 28 22:05
sebsebsebMinceR: ,but i think what Mageia is having a fix for, is the issues I am on aboutApr 28 22:05
sebsebseband don't tell me to dd some usb stickApr 28 22:05
sebsebseband then try and boot that on the computerApr 28 22:05
MinceRthere are some distros and remixes that focus on older computersApr 28 22:05
sebsebseb,becaue I don't get anywhere iwth dd when I Tired before, to actsualy make a bootable USBApr 28 22:05
DaemonFCI suppose that you could get the leaked hotfixes from a warez site, but that's an ironic place to have to go for security updates. :PApr 28 22:05
sebsebsebMinceR: no it's a boot up issueApr 28 22:05
sebsebsebMinceR: not the distro itselfApr 28 22:05
MinceRstrange, dd always worked for meApr 28 22:05
MinceRthough it depends on the imageApr 28 22:05
DaemonFClike the MyDigitalLife forum.Apr 28 22:05
sebsebsebwel it didn't seem tow ork for meApr 28 22:05
DaemonFCThey always release those updates that Microsoft doesn't allow public access to.Apr 28 22:06
*sebsebseb is not happy that he know someone, who despite everything he said etc, is sitl running XP online uhApr 28 22:06
MinceRdebian and crunchbang (and probably other debian-based distros) support usb flash booting via iso imageApr 28 22:06
sebsebsebok using FIrefox though not INternt ExplorerApr 28 22:06
DaemonFCThere were well over a hundred of them the last time I looked, and that was probably 6-7 years ago.Apr 28 22:06
sebsebseb,but still things won't be as secure as they should be nowApr 28 22:06
MinceRiirc DSL has additional support for various ways of bootingApr 28 22:06
MinceRnot sure about TinyCoreApr 28 22:06
sebsebsebMinceR: DaemonFC  Sosumi she said I could witch over to LinuxApr 28 22:07
sebsebsebafter a back upApr 28 22:07
sebsebseb,but no back up been doneApr 28 22:07
sebsebseband she carires on using the ocmputer like normal email etc etcApr 28 22:07
MinceRthat will lead to data loss eventuallyApr 28 22:07
*sebsebseb is trying to get a ISO burnt to DVD to try out on the computer, but isuesApr 28 22:07
sebsebsebMinceR: Internet was offline earlier well the wirelss was downApr 28 22:08
DaemonFCIt's almost impossible for Microsoft to patch large parts of Windows and assure people that the same exact exploit won't surface again.Apr 28 22:08
sebsebsebMinceR: sine osmeone had msesed it up, and she wanted it on so badly, so she could email smeoneApr 28 22:08
sebsebsebnow back on and wellApr 28 22:08
DaemonFCSo, some of those hotfixes are patching basically the same exploit 5-6 times.Apr 28 22:08
MinceRcould have used a liveusb or something temporarilyApr 28 22:08
sebsebsebMinceR: how are you meant to get your not so technicl mother to understandApr 28 22:08
MinceRdunnoApr 28 22:08
sebsebsebMinceR: the seurity risks enug hto see it as a priorit to sorto ut I don't knmowApr 28 22:08
MinceRi bought a tablet for my mother :>Apr 28 22:08
sebsebsebMinceR: then she'll do some online shoping or something with it at this rate again to or something and hmmApr 28 22:09
sebsebsebI guess once I got a working ISO  from CD/DVD that works on there to be ued to install Linux fromApr 28 22:09
sebsebsebthen I really start pushing the switch over idea or something I guessApr 28 22:09
sebsebsebfor now I am in limbo kind of untill sorted that outApr 28 22:10
sebsebsebMinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi tis isn't like some Linux distro going EOLApr 28 22:10
sebsebsebit's WIndows XPApr 28 22:10
sebsebsebused b millions stillApr 28 22:10
sebsebseba targetApr 28 22:10
sebsebsebwhen a LInux distro goes EOL it's like eh, well ok should ugprade really, butp robably going to be quite ok stil using online and such without updats really for quite some itmeApr 28 22:11
MinceRthe hardware varies a lot, thoughApr 28 22:11
sebsebsebMinceR: I should get my desktops sorted out maybeApr 28 22:11
sebsebsebcan't use my old burnerApr 28 22:11
sebsebsebthe old CD/dvd WRITER for netbook nope dind't get far with burnig.  this extenral blue ray  not had luck either in Linux.   I'll actsaully be trying WIndows  7 starter later on, to see if it's got anything to do with OS or not uhApr 28 22:12
MinceRwhen the questions "does it have usb?" and "can it boot from cd?" pop up, you know you're potentially dealing with very old hardware :>Apr 28 22:12
sebsebsebwell it can boot up form thse old Ubuntu 6.06  CD's still for exampleApr 28 22:12
sebsebsebno problemApr 28 22:12
sebsebsebit's not that it can't boot from CD/DVDApr 28 22:12
sebsebsebit's  that certian later  versions of stuff isn't going to work, since the bug I am on about with syslinux or isolinux whiever one it wasApr 28 22:13
MinceR(and if both answers are "no", you're stuck with floppies :> )Apr 28 22:13
sebsebsebMinceR: I got on a interesitng aritlce/blog ostApr 28 22:13
sebsebsebthe other nightApr 28 22:13
sebsebsebabout  wel lsandboxing and suchApr 28 22:13
sebsebseband  how een doing that with WIndows XP woudn't be os secure really, beczue the kernel isn't secureApr 28 22:14
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sebsebsebMinceR: altough jut thought of it againApr 28 22:19
sebsebsebMinceR: this is a moter who didn't know what bcc was Apr 28 22:19
sebsebsebMinceR: or ccApr 28 22:19
sebsebsebthat was the other eveningApr 28 22:19
MinceRmost email users apparently don't knowApr 28 22:27
MinceRwhich is sadApr 28 22:27
schestowitz__[19:37] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, What those videos that tell you what to say to the police don't tell you is that by saying any of that, you basically might as well be saying "Officer, please beat me up and then spend an hour tearing through my car, then make it legal later because the judge is an asshole, and throw in a resisting arrest charge as well, please."Apr 28 22:28
schestowitz__DaemonFC: depends on the caseApr 28 22:28
schestowitz__But it's usually them who record everythingApr 28 22:28
schestowitz__and they have control over what's used in a courtApr 28 22:28
sebsebsebMinceR: indeed computer basics?Apr 28 22:28
MinceRnetiquetteApr 28 22:29
sebsebsebyeahApr 28 22:29
schestowitz__gnApr 28 22:30
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msb__Is this globe on tuxmachines supposed to show my location?  Because it's not.   http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/63078/Apr 28 23:28
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msb__schestowitz__: But it is an excellent news site.  Thanks, Roy and Rianne!Apr 28 23:30
msb__schestowitz__: Rianne's picture in the left-hand column is too dark.  I thought it was a black silhouette until I turned the gamma way up.  Yours I can see just fine.Apr 28 23:32
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DaemonFCI keep my software up to date. Why shouldn't I? It's not like buying the new version is going to cost me $150 and slow my computer down by 50%. It's not Microsoft software.Apr 29 01:49
DaemonFCI tried to see if I could get one of those Lemote systems at one point.Apr 29 01:51
DaemonFCIt was going to cost a fortune and I would have to buy it from a seller in the UK and pay for further shipping to me. I decided that it wasn't worth the money or risk.Apr 29 01:53
DaemonFCYou just can't seem to find them here at all.Apr 29 01:53
DaemonFCSo, every computer I've ever used with GNU/Linux has been a system that was really intended for Windows, and seemed jury rigged in some way or another.Apr 29 01:56
msb__DaemonFC: Almost every (non-Mac) PC is designed for Windows.  So what?  Every Linux distro deals fine with PCs as they are.  It doesn't matter whether they are that way to fit Windows.  Linux isn't "jury-rigged", it's designed to work with computers the way they are.  And it works great.Apr 29 02:26
msb__DaemonFC: Just get a PC with the cpu, ram, disk(s), etc., that you want, or buy a case, cpu, mobo, ram, disk(s) etc., that you want and assemble it yourself, which is easy.  You can always ask here for help if you need it.Apr 29 02:29
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msb__DaemonFC: A good current choice is an AMD FX-8350, an appropriate ASUS mobo, 8GB of RAM, one or more WD 2TB Caviar Black disks.Apr 29 02:35
msb__DaemonFC: That will make a cheap, reliable screamer.  I think it's the current sweet spot.Apr 29 02:35
msb__DaemonFC: Get a case with disk boxes that slide out and that have fans.  Figure out how many 2TB drives you will ever need and get a case that can hold 50% more than that.Apr 29 02:37
msb__DaemonFC: Get an after-market heatsink-fan that has 1/8th inch spacing between the fins so you can blow dust out of it easily.Apr 29 02:39
msb__...for the cpuApr 29 02:39
msb__DaemonFC: Every GNU/Linux distro will run on that just fine.Apr 29 02:40
msb__DaemonFC: Figure out the total wattage consumed by the various parts and get a power supply (sometimes they come with the case) that's rated for 150% of that, or even 200%.Apr 29 02:48
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DaemonFCThe Mac PCs are amazingly even worse when you go to use GNU/Linux on them.Apr 29 03:17
DaemonFCI don't think it's possible to secure a computer that was designed around Windows as well as it should be secured.Apr 29 03:18
DaemonFCMark Shuttleworth recently blogged about the firmware security problems that systems designed around Windows have.Apr 29 03:18
DaemonFCThe problem is that it's where all the affordable hardware is because it's mass market hardware.Apr 29 03:19
cubezzzwell that was oddApr 29 03:24
cubezzzI somehow lost google toolbar, then find that google discontinued itApr 29 03:24
cubezzzapparently it has disappeared from my hard driveApr 29 03:25
cubezzzand now I've reinstalled this different google toolbarApr 29 03:25
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cubezzzit's got some interesting options thoughApr 29 03:28
DaemonFCWell, there's no really good reason not to be using Chromium anymore.Apr 29 03:33
cubezzzwhat if I have multiple systems with old gtk?Apr 29 03:41
cubezzzit's not going to work with chromiumApr 29 03:41
cubezzzI'm not even sure the google toolbar was open sourceApr 29 03:42
cubezzzI give every company a big thumbs down for endless forced upgradesApr 29 03:47
cubezzzmozilla could have kept making gtk1 builds, but they choose not toApr 29 03:49
cubezzznow I don't think they even bother with gtk2 buildsApr 29 03:50
cubezzzand a lot of google's stuff is here today and gone tomorrowApr 29 03:50
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msb__cubezzz: Firefox just did an upgrade from version 28.0 to 29.0 today.  I haven't got it yet because I haven't restarted Firefox.Apr 29 04:42
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msb__I'm afraid my whole personality may change.  I may not be the same person anymore.  Too much Ghost in the Shell!Apr 29 04:43
msb__cubezzz: You are right.  We should all go back to using Unix v.7 or something that we can understand the source code of. Good old blocky graphics!Apr 29 04:50
DaemonFC<cubezzz> I give every company a big thumbs down for endless forced upgradesApr 29 04:51
msb__If we can understand it, they can't change it without our knowing it.  GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!Apr 29 04:51
DaemonFCThe forced upgrades are only necessary because some people never update their software.Apr 29 04:51
DaemonFCWeb browsers are a gigantic threat to the user if they're out of date, so automatic upgrades are a way of keeping users safe, in spite of themselves.Apr 29 04:52
DaemonFCAlso, it keeps the Chrome platform from fragmenting so badly that web developers don't even know what to do.Apr 29 04:52
DaemonFCImagine if some significant percentage of users were using each of the last 34 versions of Chrome.Apr 29 04:53
DaemonFCThat would be disastrous.Apr 29 04:53
msb__But what if Google makes a mistake in the auto-update, and everyone in the whole world goes insane at the same time?Apr 29 04:54
DaemonFCI don't think that has happened.Apr 29 04:54
msb__Then we would be defenseless against an alien attackApr 29 04:54
msb__!Apr 29 04:54
DaemonFCOn GNU/Linux, you don't get forced to upgrade Chrome anyway.Apr 29 04:55
DaemonFCIt uses your distribution's package manager.Apr 29 04:55
DaemonFCI can't think of a good reason to be using an old version of Chrome.Apr 29 04:55
msb__Not on my machine.  I'm getting Firefox directly.Apr 29 04:55
msb__It's just in my account, not in with the system software.Apr 29 04:56
cubezzzmsb_, my idea isn't to go back to unix v7Apr 29 04:56
cubezzzmy idea is to run multiple eras of operating systems, using emulators if necessaryApr 29 04:56
msb__cubezzz: So if one of them explodes, the others should still work.Apr 29 04:57
DaemonFChttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963Apr 29 04:57
DaemonFCLOLApr 29 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-article.gmane.org | Gmane -- Re: FYA: http: heartbleed.com [ http://ur1.ca/h1lf2 ]Apr 29 04:57
cubezzzthe other eras include unix v6, v7, 2.11bsd, 4.3bsd, fc1 (along with other incarnations of fedora), vector linux, etcApr 29 04:58
cubezzzmsb__, yes, that's one of the main ideas!Apr 29 04:58
DaemonFCSo, OpenSSL is a godawful mess and this exploit has caused people to notice.Apr 29 04:59
cubezzzversatility is importantApr 29 04:59
DaemonFCAnd now it will be fixed (as LibreSSL).Apr 29 04:59
cubezzzopenssl is a good example, since I also run multiple versions of opensslApr 29 05:00
DaemonFCHopefully, distributions will kick OpenSSL out as soon as it becomes practical to do that.Apr 29 05:00
msb__We should have backup cyberbrains too, in case we get ghost-hacked.Apr 29 05:00
cubezzzsome versions I run predate the heart-bleed bugApr 29 05:00
DaemonFCWhy would you ever want your SSL library to be developed by people who take security seriously? :)Apr 29 05:00
DaemonFCyeah, but with that much stupid shit in there, you don't know what _else_ could be wrong....Apr 29 05:01
DaemonFCFrom what I understand, the LibreSSL team has been deleting code that was specific to ancient platforms that nobody other than maybe a hobbyist would be running on anything anyway.Apr 29 05:02
DaemonFCLike, Windows 9x, OS 2 Warp 4 (1996), and Mac OS 9 (2001).Apr 29 05:02
msb__Software complexity may increase beyond our brains' ability to deal with it.Apr 29 05:05
msb__This may be the answer to the Fermi Paradox -- Where Is Everybody?Apr 29 05:06
msb__Their software progressed to the level where it destroyed them!Apr 29 05:06
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cubezzzwell it's not necessary to know every line of codeApr 29 05:07
cubezzzas long as you understand things well enough to fix problems which arise Apr 29 05:08
msb__We must all go back to PC-DOS immediately, or we're DOOMED!Apr 29 05:08
msb__There are a few alien civilizations who realized this, and have survived.Apr 29 05:09
cubezzzhaApr 29 05:10
msb__They're broadcasting on Dark-RF.Apr 29 05:10
msb__If they see from our RF emissions that we've dropped back to a safe level, they'll invite us to join them.Apr 29 05:10
cubezzzI've studied fc1 for a long time and there's still lots of it I haven't looked atApr 29 05:11
msb__Help us cubezzz, you're our only hope!Apr 29 05:11
cubezzzI do help :)Apr 29 05:11
cubezzzI try to... not many people listen to meApr 29 05:12
cubezzzabout 20% of my customers have at least one linux computerApr 29 05:13
msb__The ones who don't will be turned into zombies and eat each others' brains when the software-apocalypse comes!Apr 29 05:13
cubezzzthis is worth reading:Apr 29 05:13
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts.txtApr 29 05:13
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cubezzzoopsApr 29 05:14
msb__OMG, it's got you too!!!Apr 29 05:15
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts1.txtApr 29 05:15
cubezzzportable libraries are obviously importantApr 29 05:16
cubezzzthis goes back to Thompson's ideas Apr 29 05:17
msb__So Dillo doesn't do Javascript?Apr 29 05:17
cubezzzthat's rightApr 29 05:18
msb__It's like you don't need a window manager that does wibble-wobble windows.  I get along fine without them.Apr 29 05:19
cubezzzI like mwm and icewmApr 29 05:20
msb__Good solid opaque windows are fine!Apr 29 05:20
cubezzzkde 3.5.10 is the heaviest one I useApr 29 05:20
msb__That's what I use too.  It's the best!Apr 29 05:20
cubezzzI do use kalzium and kstars from time to timeApr 29 05:20
msb__KDE4 is an abomination!Apr 29 05:20
cubezzzthere's two schisms (maybe even more) in KDE-landApr 29 05:21
cubezzzthe original KDE 1.0 guys hated version 2Apr 29 05:22
cubezzzand a lot of KDE 3 guys didn't like KDE 4Apr 29 05:22
cubezzzthe interesting thing is KDE 3 can run all of the KDE 1 applicationsApr 29 05:22
msb__I use some KDE4 apps because they've been improved, like Konversation right now.Apr 29 05:23
cubezzzso you're running KDE 4 applications on KDE 3?Apr 29 05:23
msb__Just a few.  Konsole too, and the System Monitor.Apr 29 05:24
cubezzzI still use xchat a lotApr 29 05:24
msb__I hope the KDE4 loonies don't "improve" them so they stop working in KDE3.Apr 29 05:25
msb__They might, though.  Some of them are really vindictive.Apr 29 05:26
cubezzzI saved some KDE 1 orphaned programsApr 29 05:27
cubezzzmainly krubikApr 29 05:27
msb__There's a German guy who keeps harassing the Trinity project and telling them to quit.Apr 29 05:27
DaemonFCKevin Kofler and Rex Dieter summed up the Trinity project pretty well.Apr 29 05:28
cubezzzthe thing is, a lot of the old KDE folks did actually quitApr 29 05:28
msb__DaemonFC: ?Apr 29 05:28
cubezzzso it's up to people like us to keep stuff alive Apr 29 05:28
DaemonFCKofler said "Trinity is an international team of developers called Timothy Pearson."Apr 29 05:28
msb__Blessings be upon him!Apr 29 05:29
DaemonFCand Dieter noted that there's fewer developers of Trinity than the kwin window manager has in KDE 4.Apr 29 05:29
cubezzzmsb__, you really can't kill softwareApr 29 05:29
DaemonFCOh, I just think that Trinity has been done wrong.Apr 29 05:29
DaemonFCThat tqt garbage is a prime example.Apr 29 05:30
cubezzzprogrammers can quit... but some crazy people can come along and resurrect stuff Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFCHe could have just ported it to Qt4 more easily than implementing the tqt layer.Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFCand the performance of tqt is not greatApr 29 05:30
DaemonFCThen again, nobody is forcing anyone to use it.Apr 29 05:31
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cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-with-plan9.png Apr 29 05:31
DaemonFCCrazy is the right word for that project though.Apr 29 05:31
cubezzzho ho ho :)Apr 29 05:31
msb__DaemonFC: Computer speed is increasing fast enough that an extra software layer doesn't cause any visible slowdown.Apr 29 05:31
DaemonFCMost of the reasons for forking KDE 3 are basically gone.Apr 29 05:31
cubezzzsacrilege!Apr 29 05:32
cubezzzsoftware should run well on slower machinesApr 29 05:32
DaemonFCmsb__, Even the cheapest computers on the market over the last 5 years will all run KDE 4.13 just fine.Apr 29 05:32
DaemonFCYou can run it on a motherboard that costs $30 and an APU that costs $50.Apr 29 05:33
cubezzzDaemonFC, I'll have you know I scored some DD 3.5" disks a while back :)Apr 29 05:33
cubezzzso five years is nothingApr 29 05:33
msb__DaemonFC: Really?  And how do you use 20 virtual desktops in KDE4 when the desktop names in the desktop pager are unreadable?Apr 29 05:33
DaemonFCI've never needed that many virtual desktops.Apr 29 05:34
msb__I have many interests.  It's great to have a separate desktop for my website, mail, Linux, bash scripts, C programs, sci-fi, etc.Apr 29 05:35
cubezzzimagine some old guy who uses his computer to write the odd letters and play solitaireApr 29 05:35
cubezzzare you going to tell him "upgrade to windows 8.1"?Apr 29 05:35
cubezzzhell noApr 29 05:35
msb__Each one has several konsoles with mc in them, each pointing to the relevant directories in my filesystem.Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFCThose super cheap AMD APUs have pictures of the Internet Explorer and Microsoft Office icons on the box, but they have perfectly good open source support in GNU/Linux.Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFCif you can make it past the box without barfing :)Apr 29 05:36
cubezzzhis CP/M machine with a dot matrix would do the job in that caseApr 29 05:36
DaemonFCoffice suites are notorious for their bloatApr 29 05:36
DaemonFCand if you don't use a bloated office suite, then some fuckface out there will send you documents that crash itApr 29 05:37
DaemonFC:)Apr 29 05:37
cubezzzthere's google docsApr 29 05:37
msb__DaemonFC: So I can switch between my various mind activities in an instant, and my desktops are not crowded with stuff unnecessary to the particular activity.Apr 29 05:37
cubezzzyou don't have to use a "bloated office suite"Apr 29 05:38
DaemonFCyeah, Google Docs even runs on those really cheap chromebooksApr 29 05:38
cubezzzis bloat some perverse badge of honour these days?Apr 29 05:38
cubezzzwhat is wrong with programmers these daysApr 29 05:39
DaemonFChttps://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-windows_install/future-windows-xp-activation-support/8b64edf7-8146-e011-9bac-78e7d160ad4e?msgId=bae49a41-9b46-e011-90b6-1cc1de79d2e2Apr 29 05:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com | Future Windows XP activation support - Microsoft Community [ http://ur1.ca/h7fd9 ]Apr 29 05:39
DaemonFC"Microsoft will also support the activation of Windows XP throughout its life and will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end of the product's lifecycle so users would no longer be required to activate the product."Apr 29 05:40
DaemonFCDid they ever release that update?Apr 29 05:40
msb__no bloat --> no "improvement" --> no justification for programmer existence --> no jobs --> no pizza and chinese food!Apr 29 05:40
cubezzzI had a funny thought years ago...Apr 29 05:41
cubezzzI thought, "wow, these 386's are so powerful. Who needs that much computing power?"Apr 29 05:41
cubezzznow folks are junking core duo'sApr 29 05:42
DaemonFCWell, if nothing else, you could just use a cracked version of XP.Apr 29 05:42
cubezzzhardly an ideal situation thoughApr 29 05:42
DaemonFCSince there's no more updates for anyone, it's not like they're going to release a new kill switch.Apr 29 05:42
cubezzzyou're better off the microsoft teatApr 29 05:42
DaemonFCyeahApr 29 05:43
DaemonFCeventually, drivers won't be available for new hardwareApr 29 05:43
DaemonFCthen it will be impossible to use XP on newer systemsApr 29 05:43
msb__The only time I've used microsoft in the las 14 years was when my pooter went blooey and I had to research parts for a new one on the Web, so I borrowed a neighbor's laptop.Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFCAt some point, it's likely that the software will start drying up as well.Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFCI remember the original Windows XP.Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFCPeople really despised it.Apr 29 05:44
cubezzzI still support on win95 box :)Apr 29 05:44
cubezzzthat customer pays well :)Apr 29 05:44
msb__And he should!Apr 29 05:45
cubezzzmsb__, I think my multiple computer idea would have saved you from using windows in that situationApr 29 05:45
DaemonFCWindows 95 wasn't so bad.Apr 29 05:45
DaemonFCWindows 98 was.Apr 29 05:45
cubezzzdisconnected from the net, sureApr 29 05:46
msb__DaemonFC: You've ignored what I wrote above.  Before KDE4 came out, many Linux users said that multiple desktops are one of the most important features of Linux to them.Apr 29 05:46
cubezzzI think you'll find if you do what I do...i.e. run multiple computers, that multiple desktops is less criticalApr 29 05:48
msb__cubezzz: You're right.  If this computer keeps crashing (which it hasn't for a while now -- I think it was a problem with Firefox), and I build an FX-8350 system as I outlined, I'll keep this old dual-core machine functional.Apr 29 05:48
DaemonFCmsb__, I noticed that Unity doesn't even have virtual desktops enabled by default.Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFCYou have to change an appearance setting to activate that.Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFCIf you want more than 4, you need to use unity tweak tool.Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFCCanonical did seem to fix all of the really aggravating Unity bugs though.Apr 29 05:49
cubezzzeven icewm supports 4 desktops by defaultApr 29 05:50
DaemonFCThe only problem is that the dash brings up so much irrelevant shitApr 29 05:50
DaemonFCIt's your worst nightmare if you have Attention Deficit Disorder.Apr 29 05:50
msb__Somehow I have never found a need to use Ubuntu at all, ever.Apr 29 05:50
cubezzzI run plan 9, bsd and linux (and various eras of linux)Apr 29 05:51
cubezzzI still run a lot of old games from the redhat 6.1 eraApr 29 05:53
cubezzzsome stuff is even older than thatApr 29 05:54
msb__With Plan 9 you're safe from solarbonite (sp?).Apr 29 05:56
cubezzzso there's a lot of stuff to contend with: various kernels, various wms, tons of different gcc versions, code that will only compile on with specific versions of librariesApr 29 05:56
cubezzznot to mention old v6 code that only compiles on a specific version of unix v6!Apr 29 05:56
msb__cubezzz: Someday the entire human civilization may come to you to save us.Apr 29 05:57
msb__Software may reach a singularity and decide not to be used by humans at all!Apr 29 05:59
cubezzzwell I wrote a bit about contaminated soil (due to trichloroethylene)Apr 29 05:59
cubezzzit's needed for some of the chip fabrication processesApr 29 06:00
cubezzzhence my idea of using old computers to try to reduce pollutionApr 29 06:00
msb__We must also eliminate dry-cleaning!Apr 29 06:00
msb__For the sake of the children!Apr 29 06:00
cubezzzI guess dry cleaning uses trichloroethylene?Apr 29 06:01
cubezzzthat wouldn't surprise meApr 29 06:01
DaemonFCoh, awesomeApr 29 06:02
DaemonFCI found some more themes.Apr 29 06:02
DaemonFCI hate orange.Apr 29 06:02
cubezzzwell it messes with your lungs if you inhale the vapours from itApr 29 06:02
DaemonFChttps://launchpad.net/~noobslab/+archive/themes?field.series_filter=trustyApr 29 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-launchpad.net | Themes Collection by NoobsLab : NoobsLab [ http://ur1.ca/h7fhv ]Apr 29 06:03
DaemonFCThey have ambiance radiance colors.Apr 29 06:03
DaemonFCUntil something better comes out, this will at least get rid of that horrible orange.Apr 29 06:03
msb__Apparantly dry-cleaners have now switched to tetrachloroethylene.  Even worse!Apr 29 06:03
msb__Apparently someone wants to have a chlorine atmosphere.Apr 29 06:04
cubezzzI can't evolve that fast! :)Apr 29 06:05
cubezzzI'm not sure how bad air pollution is around hereApr 29 06:06
cubezzzno one is really talking about itApr 29 06:06
cubezzzI guess all the cars cause a lot of the air pollution, there's not much doubt about thatApr 29 06:08
msb__Like The Arrival http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115571/Apr 29 06:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Arrival (1996) - IMDbApr 29 06:08
msb__If you see someone whose knees bend the wrong way...Apr 29 06:09
msb__They killed Lindsay Crouse!  They must never be forgiven!Apr 29 06:10
cubezzza climatologist I think, or at least played that partApr 29 06:11
msb__Yes!Apr 29 06:11
msb__She was also in House of Games -- excellent!Apr 29 06:12
msb__She got the best of Joe Mantegna in a David Mamet movie!Apr 29 06:13
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/indiana-common-core-replacement_n_5228212.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013Apr 29 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com | Indiana Approves Common Core Replacement Standards [ http://ur1.ca/h7fkd ]Apr 29 06:14
DaemonFCmsb__, The Ultra Low Sulfur Gasoline regulation is going to cause a lot of GHG emissions.Apr 29 06:14
DaemonFCOf course, the European Union already has those standards.Apr 29 06:15
DaemonFCOurs won't finish phasing in for several more years.Apr 29 06:15
DaemonFCIt's going to require a lot of extra processing to remove the last bit of sulfur. Apr 29 06:15
msb__What's the purpose?  Is a little SOx so bad?Apr 29 06:16
DaemonFChttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-28/epa-said-poised-to-issue-lower-sulfur-limits-on-fuel.htmlApr 29 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com | EPA Said Poised to Issue Lower Sulfur Limits on Fuel - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/h7fkz ]Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFCOh, the new rules match California's.Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFCThat's nice.Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFCCalifornia has some of the highest gasoline prices in the country.Apr 29 06:17
msb__Fortunately I never go anywhere.Apr 29 06:18
DaemonFCIndiana has some of the highest prices in the midwest, but that's mostly because the state gasoline tax is so fucking high.Apr 29 06:18
DaemonFCSomeone that I know was going to Florida and back. I told him to gas up in Tennessee on his way back.Apr 29 06:19
DaemonFCThey're like 60 cents a gallon cheaper than Indiana.Apr 29 06:19
DaemonFC"It screws up the mufflers, it screws up the catalytic converters, and it screws up a lot of other things, too."Apr 29 06:21
DaemonFCYeah, but it also lubricates parts of the engine.Apr 29 06:21
msb__You can save a lot of money by just eating some beans, sticking a hose up your butt, and piping the methane directly into the carbureter.Apr 29 06:22
msb__DaemonFC: What does, SOx?Apr 29 06:23
DaemonFCyeahApr 29 06:23
DaemonFCSo, removing it will cause increased engine wear.Apr 29 06:23
msb__Weird!Apr 29 06:23
msb__And increased car mfr profits!Apr 29 06:24
DaemonFCrightApr 29 06:24
DaemonFCthe last thing they want is for cars to last 30 years like they used toApr 29 06:24
DaemonFCyou're lucky to get 10-15 out of them nowApr 29 06:24
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DaemonFCTheir goal is a disposable car where you don't have a $2,000 used car market or people driving them for 20 years without a payment.Apr 29 06:25
DaemonFCThey want them to last about as long as the payments.Apr 29 06:26
msb__Like MS putting Windows on subscription.Apr 29 06:26
DaemonFCYeah. My car is 18 years old and it still runs just fine.Apr 29 06:26
DaemonFCI don't ever plan on selling it for anything other than scrap metal 10 years from now. :PApr 29 06:26
cubezzzmsb__, can you imagine paying $$$ to microsoft every month? horrible!Apr 29 06:27
DaemonFCThat's their goal.Apr 29 06:27
msb__Not as bad as *using* Windows!Apr 29 06:27
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DaemonFCThe way I hear it, their plan is to give away some horribly limited version of Windows "for free" and use the product activation system to sell you subscriptions to a la carte features.Apr 29 06:27
DaemonFCOne can only imagine....Apr 29 06:28
cubezzzI can imagine itApr 29 06:28
DaemonFCMaybe the ability to play video games requires a DirectX subscription.Apr 29 06:28
msb__If I even think about using Windows, it starts to sap and impurify my precious bodily fluids!Apr 29 06:29
Sosumithere are sometimes that requires you to use windows anywaysApr 29 06:30
msb__Not me, brother!Apr 29 06:31
Sosumicad/cam and 3d are for sure the only things I seeApr 29 06:31
Sosumi*somethingsApr 29 06:31
DaemonFCShouldn't that at least work on Wine?Apr 29 06:32
Sosumifilm production tooApr 29 06:32
Sosumino cuda with wineApr 29 06:32
msb__I programmed 3D on a LINC computer with 1K of RAM.Apr 29 06:32
msb__One of the analog knobs adjusted for interocular distance.Apr 29 06:33
msb__Made nice 3D graphs of experiment data.Apr 29 06:34
cubezzzmsb__, how if you were using a LINC for IRC I would be truly impressed :)Apr 29 06:37
cubezzzs/how/now/Apr 29 06:37
msb__No Net back then.Apr 29 06:38
cubezzzSosumi, lots of films used Linux rendering farmsApr 29 06:38
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cubezzzHoudini is proprietary but it does have a linux versionApr 29 06:40
msb__cubezzz: I did write a terminal emulator in BASIC that ran in PC-DOS, for talking with a BSD system I had an account on.Apr 29 06:40
cubezzzmsb__, which BSD?Apr 29 06:40
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msb__I don't remember.  It was used at University of California, San Francisco in the '80s, IIRC.Apr 29 06:41
cubezzz4.X BSD probablyApr 29 06:42
msb__Charged by the minute, and didn't stop charging even when the modem connection got broken.  I ended up refusing to pay for that.Apr 29 06:43
msb__I think I logged off, but it kept charging me.Apr 29 06:43
msb__But I had my little account, and could do command-line stuff.  It was great!Apr 29 06:47
msb__Pipelines!  I eventually transferred some scripts to my Linux system when I got that.Apr 29 06:49
msb__Sometimes I can't remember whether I did something in Philadelphia or San Francisco.  The timelines get fuzzy.Apr 29 06:50
msb__I think I live mostly in my mind.Apr 29 06:51
msb__One of the reasons why having multiple desktops is so important.  I'm really a cyborg, connected to the computer via screen and keyboard.Apr 29 06:52
msb__That's why Ghost in the Shell seems so real to me.Apr 29 06:53
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msb__Wow, there's an episode of Futurama where they overclock Bender, to make him smarter -- Overclockwise!Apr 29 07:06
msb__The evil Mother, of Mom's Robots, doesn't want this knowledge to get out, because then people will stop buying her newer, slightly faster, robots.Apr 29 07:14
msb__Like IBM.  Move a couple of jumpers, and your computer runs twice as fast.Apr 29 07:15
cubezzzIBM is pretty much out of the PC game nowApr 29 07:53
msb__This was in its mainframes.Apr 29 07:55
cubezzzwhich ones?Apr 29 07:55
cubezzzI used to work on 4341'sApr 29 07:55
msb__Sorry, don't know.Apr 29 07:55
cubezzzthere was the IBM 9370 which was a baby mainframeApr 29 07:59
cubezzzran VM/SP and VM/ISApr 29 07:59
cubezzzDEC was more open than IBM wasApr 29 08:01
cubezzznot to say that DEC was totally open, it wasn'tApr 29 08:01
cubezzzDEC was also very slow warming up to UnixApr 29 08:04
msb__https://www.google.com/search?num=100&lr=&safe=images&as_qdr=all&q=jumper+ibm+mainframe+speed&oq=jumper+ibm+mainframe+speed&gs_l=serp.3...32669.37643.0.38255.15.14.0.0.0.2.161.1664.2j12.14.0....0...1c.1.42.serp..7.8.874.mGWewlhQlEsApr 29 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.com | jumper ibm mainframe speed - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/h7g5w ]Apr 29 08:04
*amarsh04 met Jon "maddog" Hall back in 1994 when he worked for DECApr 29 08:05
msb__Sorry, wrong url.  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.folklore.computers/lZy6zvmxLjcApr 29 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/h7g6f ]Apr 29 08:07
cubezzznice to see an old DEC guy converting over to LinuxApr 29 08:07
cubezzzit's not like the 4341 was a power-house, but it did have 16 megs of ram which at the time was a lotApr 29 08:10
amarsh04yes, was quite fun at the AUUG '94 conference, I met Dennis Ritchie and heard Linus Torvalds speak alsoApr 29 08:10
cubezzzoh coolApr 29 08:11
amarsh04met Gene Spafford alsoApr 29 08:11
cubezzzI guess you were into Linux pretty early onApr 29 08:11
amarsh04didn't start running it until the mid 2000s though, learned it at Adelaide University as a staff member in the early 2000sApr 29 08:13
cubezzzI still have my darkstar notesApr 29 08:14
amarsh04was fun downloading a Debian net install image over dial-upApr 29 08:15
cubezzzDarkstar... 0.99 Apr 29 08:15
amarsh04the pc had a cyrix cpu and 48 Meg of RAMApr 29 08:16
cubezzzI even know which computer I had back thenApr 29 08:18
amarsh04must head out...Apr 29 08:18
cubezzzok, laterz Apr 29 08:18
cubezzz486-DX40 with 4 megs of ram :)Apr 29 08:18
msb__cubezzz: that second url points to a page with many examples of speed/feature alteration of expensive computers by moving jumpers, flipping secret switches, etc.Apr 29 08:32
cubezzzyes, this link was on that page: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.htmlApr 29 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.garlic.com | Old EMAIL Index-- Anne & Lynn WheelerApr 29 08:33
cubezzzinteresting stuff in thereApr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux certification site sends wrong messageApr 29 08:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GCC Ada Now Supports 64-bit ARMApr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/6bkFyCEx6gApr 29 08:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux certification site sends wrong message | Tux MachinesApr 29 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GCC Ada Now Supports 64-bit ARM | Tux MachinesApr 29 08:33
DaemonFCRecent versions of FreeBSD finally seem to support recent Radeon cards properly, at least.Apr 29 08:46
msb__cubezzz: Here's a huge amount of free source code from CACM (maybe in ALGOL!) and elsewhere:  http://www.netlib.org/   http://www.netlib.org/liblist.html    http://www.netlib.org/master/expanded_liblist.html Apr 29 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org | The NetlibApr 29 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org | Netlib at The Univ. of Tennessee and ORNLApr 29 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org | Netlib Master Index [ http://ur1.ca/h7gej ]Apr 29 08:46
DaemonFCFor a long time, they relied on old problematic code that AMD stopped maintaining several years ago.Apr 29 08:46
DaemonFCSo, progress basically got frozen at the level of support that GNU/Linux had for those cards around about early 2009.Apr 29 08:47
DaemonFCTheir answer was to buy Nvidia cards and use their proprietary driver.Apr 29 08:47
DaemonFCWhen you do shit like this, don't be surprised when nobody takes you seriously.Apr 29 08:49
DaemonFC:)Apr 29 08:49
cubezzzwell anyone can download stuff from http://www.x.orgApr 29 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org | xorgApr 29 08:56
cubezzzopenbsd is using 7.7Apr 29 09:05
cubezzzthe Xorg folks tossed out a lot of code tooApr 29 09:08
cubezzzif there's no maintainer for it... it goes out the doorApr 29 09:08
DaemonFChttps://www.xkcd.com/1337/Apr 29 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xkcd.com | xkcd: HackApr 29 09:13
DaemonFCcubezzz, the problem wasn't x.org, it was the kernel stuff.Apr 29 09:13
DaemonFCKernel Mode Setting was designed for Linux.Apr 29 09:13
cubezzzopenbsd 5.4 has it tooApr 29 09:14
cubezzzit was added not too long agoApr 29 09:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images NowApr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Available for Download http://t.co/mMC8MbIGcPApr 29 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     [ANNOUNCE] xf86-input-evdev 2.8.99.1Apr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/9dLaTy2wukApr 29 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu, Red Hat, and the Good SamaritanApr 29 09:21
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/8xTKjdS492Apr 29 09:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now Available for Download | Tux MachinesApr 29 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | [ANNOUNCE] xf86-input-evdev 2.8.99.1 | Tux MachinesApr 29 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu, Red Hat, and the Good Samaritan | Tux MachinesApr 29 09:21
DaemonFCI'm using Ubuntu again because it seems to have gotten better.Apr 29 09:33
DaemonFCI think their big problem is the damage that older versions of Unity did to their reputation.Apr 29 09:33
DaemonFCIt was released well before it was ready. It should not have been in a LTS release at all.Apr 29 09:34
MinceRgeekingsApr 29 09:35
MinceRmeh, i just use #!Apr 29 09:35
cubezzzDaemonFC, I believe you can still compile newer stuff without kernel modesettingApr 29 09:38
cubezzzit's an optionApr 29 09:38
DaemonFCnopeApr 29 09:40
DaemonFCuserspace modesetting was deprecated years ago, and removed completely some months ago.Apr 29 09:40
DaemonFCit was never available for the RadeonHD 5000 series or newer at all.Apr 29 09:40
DaemonFCNovell's RadeonHD driver was UMS-only.Apr 29 09:41
DaemonFCNovell's developers also decided for some reason that they didn't like AtomBIOS.Apr 29 09:42
cubezzzwell it's right in the configureApr 29 09:44
cubezzzdisable-kmsApr 29 09:45
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4002735Apr 29 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bluszcz@idoru.pl: ### "Think globally, act locally" by #Microsoft Poland free from #Political #correctness or sign or #racism? ;) One says that we #Polish we are racists ;) Other can say, that #americans are obsessed with idea #pc political correctness. Perhaps in Poland we are bit more 'relaxed' and perhaps the photo in first place didn't have black dude - perhaps they put it to fill some #US #law regulations ;) #black #poland #polsApr 29 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> picup.it | #PicUp Microsoft's "Think globally, act locally"Apr 29 09:50
schestowitz__Good point there about the possibility of inverted deletion, but I think it was well established at the time that Microsoft removed the black guy, not added him.Apr 29 09:51
MinceRit doesn't explain the white guy with black hands anywayApr 29 09:52
cubezzzpics? :)Apr 29 09:52
MinceRhttps://picup.it/media/pictures/poland_hates_black_people.jpgApr 29 09:53
schestowitz__msb__: thanks for the feedback on the siteApr 29 09:53
schestowitz__I showed it to here, we decided to redo the photosApr 29 09:53
schestowitz__See the new ones at tuxmachines nowApr 29 09:53
cubezzzhahahaApr 29 09:53
cubezzzoh wowApr 29 09:54
MinceRthis? >> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/605/806/3a1.jpgApr 29 09:54
cubezzzhey that's editedApr 29 09:56
cubezzzyou can't fool me :)Apr 29 09:57
cubezzzfunny thoughApr 29 09:57
MinceRfool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, ...you can't fool me twice!Apr 29 09:57
cubezzzwhat he said was more like "ha! ha! ha! ... The Moon!" etcApr 29 09:58
msb__schestowitz__: Somewhat better.  I guess she just has a dark skin tone.  Is the globe on the about page supposed to show my location?Apr 29 09:58
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4002735Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__"Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__Yes, for 100% you are right - Poland is not HQ of microsoft and pretty sure they got materials from the central....Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__However, this is stupidity of MS in poland - even if the multi colorful ethnic photo didn't fit to poland reality - they should just take other photo instead of doing this.Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__But I don't like also this '3 colors' pc idea...Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__"Apr 29 10:03
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schestowitz__"More often than not, the only people who usually care about race are bigger racists than the people they are accusing of being racists."Apr 29 10:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD Shows Off Beema & Mullins But Its LinuxApr 29 10:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Shows Off Beema & Mullins But Its Linux Fate Is Unclear | Tux MachinesApr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Improving The Linux DesktopApr 29 10:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Improving The Linux Desktop | Tux MachinesApr 29 10:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx Server 1.16 ABI BreakageApr 29 10:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | X.Org Server 1.16 ABI Breakage Causes Concern | Tux MachinesApr 29 10:13
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Sosumirender farms yesApr 29 10:47
Sosumibut editing software is mostly windows onlyApr 29 10:47
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cubezzzPixar ported all of it's internal software to LinuxApr 29 10:53
cubezzzit's just codeApr 29 10:54
cubezzzsome places went from Irix to LinuxApr 29 10:54
Sosumipixar...Apr 29 10:55
SosumiI meant it as commercially available softwareApr 29 10:55
Sosumi3dmax, cinema 4dApr 29 10:55
Sosumione is windows only and the other windows and osxApr 29 10:56
Sosumimaya is the only one that runs on the three platformsApr 29 10:56
cubezzzI assume you've heard of Houdini?Apr 29 10:56
Sosumifor cad/cam only siemens nx runs on three platformsApr 29 10:56
SosumiI don't do that kind of 3dApr 29 10:57
Sosumijust some cad/cam for instrumentationApr 29 10:57
schestowitz__http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/Apr 29 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Top tip, power users – upgrading Ubuntu may knacker your Linux PC • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/h7hgi ]Apr 29 10:57
schestowitz__Wow, I missed that trolling Apr 29 10:57
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/stevens_phil/status/461078341353615360Apr 29 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stevens_phil: @schestowitz @SEEVed So all of us who actually were using personal computers before MS existed were having some sort of shared hallucinationApr 29 10:58
schestowitz__Based on revisionists (well paid BTW), Free software is "new" (actually was default before Jobs and Gates)Apr 29 10:59
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461080763048292352Apr 29 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And the link to Gavin's article on Munich's adoption of Kolab uses Karl Marx' likeness. http://t.co/oPjb3saUJiApr 29 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And the link to Gavin's article on Munich's adoption of Kolab uses Karl Marx' likeness. http://t.co/oPjb3saUJiApr 29 10:59
cubezzzwell, Ken Thompson did address that point a while back regarding free softwareApr 29 11:01
Sosumithe issue of trusting trustApr 29 11:01
Sosumihttp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.htmlApr 29 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cm.bell-labs.com | ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust [ http://ur1.ca/be80 ]Apr 29 11:01
cubezzzhe sent out 9 track mag tapes to people who wanted the code, but it wasn't expliciting "free software"Apr 29 11:02
cubezzzand before that you bought a machine worth major $$$ and you got the software 'free'Apr 29 11:02
cubezzzexplicitly ratherApr 29 11:03
cubezzzafter AT&T was broken up they were allowed to charge for softwareApr 29 11:04
SosumiI know that mentalityApr 29 11:04
cubezzzso they kept charging more and more over time for unixApr 29 11:04
Sosumimy grandfather is the sameApr 29 11:04
cubezzzhmmm?Apr 29 11:05
Sosumibuy the machine and expect all the software or at least the OS to be there freeApr 29 11:05
Sosumiwhich isn't the case anymoreApr 29 11:05
Sosumiand on specialized systems it comes under the form of a subscriptionApr 29 11:06
Sosumithat sometimes gets added to the total price of the machineApr 29 11:06
cubezzzwell yeahApr 29 11:06
Sosumiit just depends on well you manage to negotiate the contractApr 29 11:07
Sosumi*on how wellApr 29 11:07
cubezzzwell you could assemble from parts, burn an iso and off you goApr 29 11:07
SosuminaaahApr 29 11:07
Sosumican't do that with power machinesApr 29 11:07
cubezzzyou certainly can, I built my server from parts ages agoApr 29 11:08
Sosumipower isn't available on retailApr 29 11:08
cubezzzgo to Tyan, buy whatever server motherboard you likeApr 29 11:08
Sosumiyou need to get it directly from ibmApr 29 11:08
Sosumisparc would be the same, but I have no idea if oracle is still developing itApr 29 11:09
Sosumias for a vms system, you'd need to get it from hp, but itanium is deadApr 29 11:09
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/461084703336837121Apr 29 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz @stevens_phil an example http://t.co/tkbHtGN6mP Hackers - wizards of the electronic ageApr 29 11:10
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Sosumifor an arm serverApr 29 11:10
Sosumiyou'd also need to get it from hpApr 29 11:10
Sosumior some other OEM that sell themApr 29 11:10
SosumiI did say "specialized"Apr 29 11:10
schestowitz__http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/apr/28/rupert-everett-london-soho-prostitutionApr 29 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Rupert Everett: 'We've lost our London – and Soho is the last victim' | Cities | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/h7hj2 ]Apr 29 11:11
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4002353Apr 29 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bluszcz@idoru.pl reshared: ### #Microsoft must release #email #data held on #Dublin #server *** A #judge in the #US has ordered Microsoft to hand over a #customer's emails, even though the data is held on a server in #Ireland. Microsoft has previously taken steps to reassure customers that data held on servers #abroad should not be subject to #search #warrants by US #authorities. It follows concerns about data #privacy after allegatiApr 29 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.com | BBC News - Microsoft 'must release' data held on Dublin server [ http://ur1.ca/h7hl6 ]Apr 29 11:21
schestowitz__ so when will Microsoft be forced to release the stolen money it stashed in Ireland? (tax evasion)Apr 29 11:21
MinceRonce m$ is no longer in control of the us government :>Apr 29 11:21
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/461087400605671426Apr 29 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz @stevens_phil Apple and Microsoft's software would never have existed with out academic collaboration with free softwareApr 29 11:22
schestowitz__MinceR: this is ukApr 29 11:22
schestowitz__the little bro of the USApr 29 11:22
schestowitz__used to be the oppositeApr 29 11:22
schestowitz__S even stole Canada from the UKApr 29 11:22
MinceRoh, so it's taxes that should have been paid to the uk...Apr 29 11:22
cubezzzthe older bro :)Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__Canada (Harper) now takes order from the USApr 29 11:22
MinceRthen when it's no longer in control of the uk governmentApr 29 11:22
MinceR"Airstrip One"Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__I hope soApr 29 11:22
schestowitz__BUTApr 29 11:22
schestowitz__THis is not good newsApr 29 11:23
schestowitz__1. it shows abuses relating to surveillanceApr 29 11:23
schestowitz__2. it shows Microsoft as pretending to respect mail privacy, which is a lieApr 29 11:23
schestowitz__it's bad on several sidesApr 29 11:23
MinceRwhat's new?Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__I'd rather see UK gov going after MS for tax evasionApr 29 11:23
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461089084119977984Apr 29 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz The more I read of it, the more I feel solitary confinement is unethical and a form of torture.Apr 29 11:28
schestowitz__https://pod.geraspora.de/uploads/images/scaled_full_0524d290dbc10981d57c.jpgApr 29 11:51
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schestowitz__http://25.media.tumblr.com/1caccd9c2d7eca9921fcf5b4e86c5473/tumblr_n2rbp9sYeu1r3vhdfo1_500.gifApr 29 11:56
MinceRewApr 29 11:57
schestowitz__That's what the dog saidApr 29 12:01
MinceRi doubt itApr 29 12:01
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4000920Apr 29 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@riotboardgame@joindiaspora.com: ***Protestor helps cop install VLC media player*** ![](http://pasauliolietuvis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Kijevas_2013-11-24_b.jpg) #vlc #media #player #installApr 29 12:02
schestowitz__LMAOApr 29 12:02
MinceRfor one thing, dogs eat their own vomit. and for another thing, they can't speak.Apr 29 12:02
MinceRoh, also, they sniff each other's asses.Apr 29 12:02
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schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4000591Apr 29 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@joebraun@diasp.org: So, #Obama says that mass executions in #Egypt would be a "dangerous precident". That oughta stop 'em.Apr 29 12:10
schestowitz__Said Mr. DronesApr 29 12:10
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/TheresaMay_MP/status/461016347787685888Apr 29 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheresaMay_MP: How to get to work during a #tubestrike http://t.co/RnfY1ZWlCYApr 29 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheresaMay_MP: How to get to work during a #tubestrike http://t.co/RnfY1ZWlCYApr 29 12:29
schestowitz__> Yeah.  Time has a big reader base though.  :(  I used both BASIC andApr 29 12:44
schestowitz__> Pascal and thought Pascal was all-around better for most things,Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__> including learning.  BASIC, however, had better support for low-resApr 29 12:44
schestowitz__> graphics.Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__> Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__> Through attrition of other sources Gates boosters are slowly re-writingApr 29 12:44
schestowitz__> history.  Not only do sites disappear but old ones get corrupted (e.g.Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__> slashdot and thereg)Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__> Apr 29 12:44
schestowitz__> Pretty soon we'll have them claiming Bill invented the Internet.Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__It all started when Microsoft invented Hotmail ;-) with BSD.Apr 29 12:45
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Sosumididn't M$ buy hotmail?Apr 29 13:38
MinceRthey didApr 29 13:40
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schestowitz__that's why it's funnyApr 29 14:09
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__"Apr 29 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #warApr 29 14:10
schestowitz__"Bahareh Bisheh:Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__This little girl is my cousin and she actually fell asleep on the asphalt just outside my house. She must have played for some time and just lied to rest and fell asleep. im used a chair to stand on in order to take this shot. There is no orphanage involved and no tragic story behind this. i took this opportunity to be creative. It is a style of photography You can use my photos in your webblag If you mention my name as the Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__photographer of this photo. thanks to all for the consideration ."Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1i8k06/the_little_girl_has_never_seen_her_mother_so_she/Apr 29 14:10
schestowitz__"Apr 29 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | The little girl has never seen her mother, so she drew a mom on the ground and fell asleep with her. Iraqi Orphanage. : pics [ http://ur1.ca/h7ikc ]Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/damianjread/status/461131056188768256Apr 29 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@damianjread: Lol well said. "@schestowitz: @David_Cameron That's how strikes work. Without disruption there's no effect." Camerons #IvoryTowerApr 29 14:13
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/461133123040722945Apr 29 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrymccracken: @schestowitz I don't say that. I don't even say something sort of like this.Apr 29 14:21
schestowitz__It is implied by the latter parts.Apr 29 14:21
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/461132883525390336Apr 29 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@candtalan: .@clarecurranmp @schestowitz Clare hopefully you are aware of #Ubuntu? #french #chinese #everyone http://t.co/spqCtM7leq @omgubuntuApr 29 14:22
schestowitz__http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/13/raiders_of_the_lost_altair/Apr 29 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Raiders of the Lost Altair BASIC Source Code • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/h7inw ]Apr 29 14:24
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/461134328903532545Apr 29 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@candtalan: .@TheresaMay_MP @schestowitz Mmm. Has Barbara Streisand visited there lately at all?Apr 29 14:29
schestowitz__http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BorlandApr 29 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Borland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaApr 29 14:41
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/461134191166357504Apr 29 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrymccracken: @schestowitz C'mon, you're being ridiculous and making claims about my article that have nothing to do with what I actually wrote.Apr 29 14:41
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4000038Apr 29 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Out in the Open: Occupy Wall Street Reincarnated as Open Source Software http://www.wired.com/2014/04/loomio/ #ows #freesw #freedomApr 29 14:44
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schestowitz__"I see almost no connection between Loomio and Occupy other than that they both made decisions - a pretty tenuous link at best."Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3998813Apr 29 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shame on Google for making it so exceptionally hard to block ads in Chrome under Android. Firefox makes that simple. #google #surveillanceApr 29 14:44
schestowitz__"Mozilla is not an advertising company. Google is."Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__Mozilla is becoming an advertising company thoughApr 29 14:44
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/the_other_jon/status/461144738687488000Apr 29 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@the_other_jon: @schestowitz How do you get that from am article about BASIC?Apr 29 15:08
schestowitz__opwnashing of Microsoft BASIC, omission of criticism of Microsoft's actions at the time, etc.Apr 29 15:09
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/phd9/status/461146972855222273  https://twitter.com/the_other_jon/status/461146995013345280  https://twitter.com/phd9/status/461147956541132800Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@phd9: @schestowitz @harrymccracken All I know is that when Visual Basic came out, my abilities as a coder instantly quadrupled.Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@the_other_jon: @schestowitz But the article was about BASIC. In what way is criticism about a vendor appropriate? Should an article about C slam AT&T?Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@phd9: @harrymccracken @schestowitz https://t.co/CS59PHsSNzApr 29 15:27
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461148599825350657Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Man "forgotten" in solitary confinement for two years awaiting trial for DUI. http://t.co/jMRRXiCQcnApr 29 15:27
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ABCKUP
MinceRgnApr 27 00:19
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cubezzzwell hwinfo is definitely an eye openerApr 27 01:41
cubezzzit can probe a ton of info Apr 27 01:44
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gulag2014Windows subscription model is on the horizon.  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/the-inevitable-arrival-of-subscription-based-windows/?comments=1Apr 27 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | The inevitable arrival of subscription-based Windows | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h6xzj ]Apr 27 04:42
cubezzzgoodApr 27 05:40
cubezzzthat will drive more folks off windowsApr 27 05:41
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Sosumihttp://www.voltairenet.org/article183486.htmlApr 27 08:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Blackstone and Jacob Rothschild, beneficiaries of Malaysia Airlines flight disappearance ? [ http://ur1.ca/h6z1e ]Apr 27 08:17
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schestowitz__Sosumi: sounds like bullshitApr 27 08:49
schestowitz__I've just started reading some bitsApr 27 08:50
Sosumiit was just another viewApr 27 08:50
schestowitz__RT cited and some of the silly theories that the US had something to do with itApr 27 08:50
schestowitz__Boeing messed upApr 27 08:50
schestowitz__And they don't even know whereApr 27 08:50
schestowitz__Using the incident to interject some disdain for something in the westApr 27 08:51
Sosumiothers are saying that someone did it in order to get their hands on the freescale engineers that were on board of that planeApr 27 08:52
Sosumibecause of the renessas chipApr 27 08:52
Sosumias for me, I'm not familiar with airplane control and I've haven't yet had the time to look into itApr 27 08:52
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schestowitz[11:01] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460350719925960704Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz Might help Russia to weed out comments by NSA.Apr 27 11:03
schestowitz[11:01] <schestowitz> well, that's anothr problem, government astroturfingApr 27 11:03
schestowitz[11:02] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/sumLucifer/status/460348947404320768Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sumLucifer: @schestowitz @Nildam85 Campus activism should start with learning civics and history. NSA scoops up everything, always has. duh... 'Merka!Apr 27 11:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460348669040926720Apr 27 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz Good with power? Libya destroyed during her rein of terrorApr 27 11:03
schestowitzExactly, that was the goal. They showed Libya who the boss was. Sendign signal to M-E.Apr 27 11:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460343692566757377Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Canadian Government’s ‘Secure’ Phones Come Straight from the #NSA http://t.co/EvjzN5ZLIi so Canada is working for the US nowApr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.oodaloop.com | OODA Loop - The Canadian Government's 'Secure' Phones Come Straight from the NSAApr 27 11:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460343459246002176Apr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz: "Police shouldn’t be able to search people’s emails without a warrant" http://t.co/5QFBIuCsRk not terrorism-relatedApr 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thehill.com | Privacy backers looking for email protections | TheHillApr 27 11:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460359609673596930Apr 27 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz If she's elected I'm going to turn my back on America...Apr 27 11:10
schestowitzA whole continent?!Apr 27 11:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MediaSpinNWO/status/460360706815442944Apr 27 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MediaSpinNWO: @schestowitz If US citizens continue to vote for rat bastards....then YESApr 27 11:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460361484858441728Apr 27 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz sending the message to Iran that their nextApr 27 11:39
schestowitzThey have them surrounded by US bases already. Soon in Syria too?Apr 27 11:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/swamyforpm/status/460366184865476608Apr 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swamyforpm: @schestowitz @wikileaks U-turn https://t.co/BFMcgOoYO3 https://t.co/YhIXgQDd3E #WikiLeaks #YellowJournalism #YellowActivismApr 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: @Swamy39 Swamy provided political intelligence about election issues, but there's no evidence of being an agent. https://t.co/qgkWFzvAblApr 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: #IndiaVotes2014: Best right wing perspective on @Swamy39 Indira Gandhi cable by @drankuag http://t.co/UAyKf0lwiM #india #WikiLeaksApr 27 11:41
schestowitzhttp://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1398579860310978.jpgApr 27 11:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460373873179910144Apr 27 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz they gave up on Syria because of Russia now looks like they are targeting Ukraine insteadApr 27 12:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since MicrosoftApr 27 12:17
TweetTuxMachines                 cuts XP support http://t.co/W6c5BdzVntApr 27 12:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/h70bsApr 27 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GEEK TO ME: Switching to Linux since Microsoft cuts XP support | Tux MachinesApr 27 12:17
MinceRgeekingsApr 27 12:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcest/status/460383209885532160Apr 27 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz: Leon Panetta, former director of #cia : America's greatest threat is from within http://t.co/2fTb3xwr3n dissent as "terror"Apr 27 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> billingsgazette.com | Panetta: America's greatest threat is from withinApr 27 12:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/460386061999697920Apr 27 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz first hand I can say many other govts do respect law of nations and do NOT abuse their embassies the way the US doesApr 27 13:02
schestowitzExceptionalism runs deep in the veins of some diplomats. "We meant well..."Apr 27 13:03
Sosumiof good intentions is hell filledApr 27 13:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/460389058309783552Apr 27 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz the ends never justify the means...and too often the ends are horrific tooApr 27 13:06
schestowitzNot for the corporations, they klnow what's good for themApr 27 13:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460390381176520704Apr 27 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: Causing a #Commotion MT @schestowitz: #usaid used 'social' network to destablise gov't. Could do same for anonymity. http://t.co/VtkG6hozLgApr 27 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thespec.com | More Internet than the InternetApr 27 13:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/460390742956199936Apr 27 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz a foreigner's opinionApr 27 13:46
schestowitzNo, check the polls. Only around 9% approval for Senate among US citizens.Apr 27 13:46
schestowitzhttp://www.taz.de/uploads/images/684x342/anwalt-assange.20110112-13.jpgApr 27 13:53
schestowitzhttp://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/interview/stallman-only-victims-of-tyranny-should-use-facebook-23600Apr 27 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techweekeurope.co.uk | Stallman: Only Victims Of Tyranny Should Use Facebook | TechWeekEurope UK [ http://ur1.ca/h70s6 ]Apr 27 13:55
schestowitz"Apr 27 13:56
schestowitzStallman supports WikiLeaks, despite accusations against Julian Assange: “Even if all the nasty things being said about Assange were true, I would still consider him a hero.”Apr 27 13:56
schestowitzHe also said the “torture” of Bradley Manning, the soldier who allegedly supplied material to WikiLeaks, may be designed to implicate Assange and allow him to be extradited to the US.Apr 27 13:56
schestowitzHe spoke against Facebook, saying in principle no one should use it because “abuse of personal information is Facebook’s business model”. However, since Facebook had a positive role in the Egyptian uprising, he would sanction its use “if you are living in a country with a tyrranical government.”Apr 27 13:56
schestowitz"Apr 27 13:56
msb__Sosumi: ?Apr 27 14:03
schestowitzstupid jheadline: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/julian-assange-punches-out-priest_n_5196551.htmlApr 27 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com | Julian Assange Punches Out Priest On Easter Sunday [ http://ur1.ca/h70v5 ]Apr 27 14:11
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/XkEMEApr 27 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Gun Questions: Round 9 ("Designed to kill?") - ImgurApr 27 14:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460407578317426689Apr 27 14:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz How much should be the price of women's rights & the rule of law? #Assange should just be allowed to ignore assault complaints?Apr 27 14:42
schestowitzAssange is not besieged by British authorities because of women's rights but because of WikileaksApr 27 14:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460410811589349376Apr 27 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz she has to position herself, thus, if she's runningApr 27 14:43
schestowitzThe threat to her is not GOP but "third party" candidates like GreensApr 27 14:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460410956603195393Apr 27 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz I keep up with A LOT, following you. But even an #OptimisticPessimist sometimes needs a funny cat pic tweet from Snowden filesApr 27 14:44
schestowitzSometimes I post cat pictures, but too much of it dilutes from important news :-)Apr 27 14:45
schestowitzI will post some "lighter" stuff for youApr 27 14:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gerge42/status/460413077373341696Apr 27 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gerge42: @SandraEckersley @schestowitz U mean like Snowden ignores his extr.request? Snowden is free while JA is stuck in an embassy.Apr 27 14:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/460413478457839616Apr 27 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz disliking does not eliminate legitimacy, but there are no good guys on either side of the Bundy conflictApr 27 14:46
schestowitzI don't like the pro-Bundy folks, but I think they're a symptom of true perception that money rules govApr 27 14:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460415530437197824Apr 27 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz agreed. Viz. Nader's run.Apr 27 14:51
schestowitzNader has been thoroughly demonised. I think he'll find it hard now.Apr 27 14:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417208905367552Apr 27 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Yup. Cat pics mentioned at recent Sci for the People conf cc @samueljredman @limako @ColdWarScience @isaiah_thompson #SFtP14Apr 27 14:58
schestowitzhttp://t.co/CPY648LzErApr 27 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-friendsofiris.wordpress.com | #FriendsOfIRIS #Sustainability #YorkU | Transparent | Inclusive | AccessibleApr 27 14:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417422873604096Apr 27 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Tnx! I need it to keep me positive as I deal with: http://t.co/CPY648LzErApr 27 14:59
schestowitzKnowing negatives doesn't need to keep one down. Not knowing the negatives should. Awareness leads to solutions.Apr 27 15:00
schestowitzThe war on Net Neutrality (soft censorship) is a big negative but news sites everywhere cover it, so there's resistance. #sopaApr 27 15:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460417829355810817Apr 27 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Plus, isn't he really old? born February 27, 1934 (#Wikipedia)Apr 27 15:02
schestowitzI doubt he's that old. He looks 10 years younger.Apr 27 15:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460418117009932288Apr 27 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz OK, time to for me to stop #Faffing & get on with real work: grading final exams & finishing an annotated bibliography!Apr 27 15:02
schestowitz"Real world/work is indoctrination-imposed term that belittless what matters a lot, e.g. climate activismApr 27 15:04
msb__The philosophy of Ayn Rand is the basis for much of libertarianism and conservatism.  Here are some analyses of it -- interesting reading:Apr 27 15:05
msb__http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/23348-10-things-i-learned-about-the-world-from-ayn-rands-insane-atlas-shruggedApr 27 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readersupportednews.org | 10 Things I Learned About the World from Ayn Rand's Insane 'Atlas Shrugged' [ http://ur1.ca/h715p ]Apr 27 15:06
msb__http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/12/1119294/-Ryan-s-Hero-Ayn-Rand-Worshiped-A-Serial-Killing-PsychopathApr 27 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | Ryan's Hero, Ayn Rand, Worshiped A Serial Killing Psychopath! [ http://ur1.ca/h715x ]Apr 27 15:06
msb__http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/08/mark-ames-paul-ryans-guru-ayn-rand-worshipped-a-serial-killer-who-kidnapped-and-dismembered-little-girls.htmlApr 27 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Mark Ames: Paul Ryan’s Guru Ayn Rand Worshipped a Serial Killer Who Kidnapped and Dismembered Little Girls | naked capitalism [ http://ur1.ca/h7160 ]Apr 27 15:07
schestowitzhttp://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gifApr 27 15:13
schestowitzmsb__: hehApr 27 15:14
schestowitzwell, daily kosApr 27 15:14
schestowitzdirt by associationApr 27 15:14
MinceRthere's msb__'s favorite in the top left corner :>Apr 27 15:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460421525292593152Apr 27 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz LOL, try telling that to my students& publisher :) Anyhoo, they're all well versed in #ClimateChange science. #ProudProfessorApr 27 15:15
schestowitzMinceR: LOL, not quiteApr 27 15:15
schestowitzhe trusts PutinApr 27 15:15
schestowitzPutin guards the oligarchsApr 27 15:15
schestowitzso he's a Thatcherite perhapsApr 27 15:16
MinceRyou think he realizes that?Apr 27 15:16
schestowitz(Putin)Apr 27 15:16
msb__MinceR: top left corner of which page?Apr 27 15:16
MinceR161335 < schestowitz> http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gifApr 27 15:16
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460422541476388864Apr 27 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz IMO Nader looks young 'cos he's so active/activist. It's like moisturizer! Likewise, David Schindler & @DavidSuzuki in Canada.Apr 27 15:20
msb__I don't totally trust Putin, but he's trying to prevent the US from controlling the entire world by its military force, which is a very good thing.  And he hasn't invaded other nations and slaughtered millions of people.Apr 27 15:20
schestowitzmsb__: : scroll  upApr 27 15:21
schestowitzI didn't know Suzuki was almost 78, but Japanese have long lifespan and appearance differentApr 27 15:21
schestowitzmsb__: has Obama??Apr 27 15:22
msb__But MinceR says Stalin is "my favorite".  MinceR keeps lying about me, and his lies are easily refuted simply by quoting my previous remarks.Apr 27 15:22
schestowitzPutin has not been ruling Russia/USSR for a centuryApr 27 15:22
schestowitzObama inherits the major wars from BushApr 27 15:23
msb__schestowitz: Obama destroyed Libya.Apr 27 15:23
msb__... because it was socialist.Apr 27 15:23
MinceRhe's trying to prevent the US from controlling the entire world by controlling the entire world himselfApr 27 15:23
msb__MinceR: You're lying again.  What part of the entire world is Putin trying to control, other than the Eastern part of Ukraine?Apr 27 15:24
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MinceRgeorgia, for exampleApr 27 15:25
msb__...which does not want to be controlled by the Nazis that the US has inflicted on Ukraine.Apr 27 15:25
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MinceRalso, you keep defending communist dictatorships but Stalin is not your favoriteApr 27 15:25
MinceRcool story, bro.Apr 27 15:25
msb__MinceR: Georgia in what way?Apr 27 15:26
MinceRin the way that they invaded it.Apr 27 15:26
MinceRand putin is probably eyeing the baltic states and hungary nowApr 27 15:26
schestowitz!google lawsuit gorbachevApr 27 15:31
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Russian MPs seek to sue Gorbachev over USSR collapse ... - RT.com | http://rt.com/politics/gorbachev-ussr-collapse-lawsuit-568/Apr 27 15:31
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Russian MPs seek to sue Gorbachev over USSR collapse ... - RT.com | http://rt.com/politics/gorbachev-ussr-collapse-lawsuit-568/comments/Apr 27 15:31
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Russian dissident who copied the Gorbachev Foundation's archive ... | http://english.hotnews.ro/stiri-top_news-6209804-russian-dissident-who-copied-the-gorbachev-foundations-archive-mitterrand-and-gorbachev-wanted-the-european-socialist-union-thatcher-opposed-germanys-reunification.htmApr 27 15:31
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Novaya Gazeta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_GazetaApr 27 15:31
schestowitzSo we know what Russian MPs wantApr 27 15:31
schestowitzI have to agree with MinceR on thisApr 27 15:31
msb__MinceR: Looks like that was the result of a conflict between parts of Georgia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Georgia_warApr 27 15:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russo-Georgian war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h71bp ]Apr 27 15:31
schestowitzUS  is on the brink of debt-induced collapseApr 27 15:31
schestowitzIt almost went bust in Gaegan eraApr 27 15:32
schestowitzAnd Russia must be feelign like now is the time to make a moveApr 27 15:32
MinceRyeah, putin is good at making it look like they're merely helping russians out in internal conflictsApr 27 15:32
schestowitzUS alienated many alliesApr 27 15:32
schestowitzincluding many in Europe, not to mention east Asia, S America...Apr 27 15:32
schestowitzmsb__: Russia invaded Georgia when US and UK invaded IraqApr 27 15:33
MinceRhitler was also good at thisApr 27 15:33
schestowitzThey used it as (partly) an excuseApr 27 15:33
schestowitzIsrael did the same in GazaApr 27 15:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460426133805477888Apr 27 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @DavidSuzuki David Schindler b. 1940. I'm also inspired by lots of vibrant 70 & 80 yr old women!Apr 27 15:34
msb__Russia was helping South Ossetia repel attacks by Georgia.Apr 27 15:34
MinceRexcept south ossetia was a part of georgiaApr 27 15:35
schestowitzAppearance is not always indicative of health. 'Surgeries' help prove this. Longevity with AD not nice, either.Apr 27 15:35
MinceRbut don't let the facts in the way of your communist dictatorship propaganda.Apr 27 15:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/460426848539639808Apr 27 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Canada has been a US property at least since 2006, and probably long before.Apr 27 15:36
msb__[04/25/14 07:29] <msb__> That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.Apr 27 15:36
MinceRalso, post-communist dictatorship propagandaApr 27 15:36
MinceRyeah, it's always somebody else's faultApr 27 15:36
schestowitzFunny that US got Alaska to 'protect' Russia from the British.Apr 27 15:36
MinceRbecause stalin is a saintApr 27 15:36
schestowitzI read somewhere that UK was OK with Hitler as a tool for keeping STalin at bay (at first)Apr 27 15:37
schestowitzBut the source was not so reliableApr 27 15:37
MinceRmaybe they were more afraid of stalin than hitler at the timeApr 27 15:38
msb__MinceR lies that Stalin is "my favorite", even though I called Stalin a psychopath.Apr 27 15:38
MinceRand yet nothing stalin ever did was ever stalin's faultApr 27 15:38
schestowitzYYou trust PutinApr 27 15:38
MinceRfunny how things work in your world.Apr 27 15:38
schestowitzNot StalinApr 27 15:38
schestowitzPutin was a KGB officer in USSRApr 27 15:38
schestowitzSo he's as bad as can beApr 27 15:38
schestowitzHe's the lawless in a lawless 'state'Apr 27 15:38
schestowitzHe represents some of the most vicious things about USSRApr 27 15:39
msb__MinceR is lying again by putting the words in my mouth "nothing stalin ever did was ever stalin's fault".  I never said any such thing,Apr 27 15:39
MinceRyeah, you say it with different wordsApr 27 15:40
schestowitz"Stalin is ma homeboy" - msb__Apr 27 15:40
MinceRlike 163601 < msb__> [04/25/14 07:29] <msb__> That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.Apr 27 15:40
*schestowitz draws tshirt mockupsApr 27 15:40
MinceRbtw, afaik psychopathy begins in childhood and is not brought on by traumaApr 27 15:40
schestowitz!google beated up stalin childhoodApr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - July-August 1999: Stalin at Home - Harvard Magazine | http://harvardmagazine.com/1999/07/right.stalin.htmlApr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Early life of Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_StalinApr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Stalin, from Child to Bolshevik Leader: 1878 to 1922 - Macrohistory | http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch11-5b.htmApr 27 15:40
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Joseph Stalin - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com | http://www.history.com/topics/joseph-stalinApr 27 15:40
MinceRsame with ASPD, iircApr 27 15:41
schestowitzSpanking of children very common in GermanyApr 27 15:41
MinceRit's also promoted by abrahamic religionApr 27 15:41
schestowitzmany that explains why Bush W and his dad were such assholesApr 27 15:41
MinceR"spare the rod and spoil the child" or some evil bullshit like thatApr 27 15:41
msb__schestowitz: " <schestowitz> "Stalin is ma homeboy" - msb__"  Maybe yours, Roy, not mine.Apr 27 15:41
schestowitz!google prescott bush hitlerApr 27 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news ... | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwarApr 27 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_BushApr 27 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Bush Family Funded Adolf Hitler - Rense | http://www.rense.com/general40/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htmApr 27 15:42
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Prescott Bush - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to Power ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTnHnjmCYjy4Apr 27 15:42
schestowitzmsb__: joke, exaggeration to the laughabkeApr 27 15:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460428365720473600Apr 27 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Pls advise, what's AD? Yup, I'm a plant demographer: N=B-D+I-E. #DeathComesAsTheEnd, Agatha Christie.Apr 27 15:42
schestowitzAzheimer disease. Some people live long in near vegetative state; some are lucid in their 90s.Apr 27 15:43
schestowitzAlzheimerApr 27 15:43
schestowitzSome look good and young (with help of 'surgeries') and die early (many examples), others look old and keep on goingApr 27 15:44
msb__MinceR: Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma.  Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this.Apr 27 15:47
msb__Stalinist RussiaApr 27 15:48
MinceRthat doesn't seem to fit with the definition of psychopathy at allApr 27 15:48
MinceRand certainly not every civilian who suffers under a communist dictatorship becomes a psychopathApr 27 15:48
msb__The definition is having no empathy nor conscience, and unjustifiedly harming others.Apr 27 15:49
MinceRthe definition is a lot more than that.Apr 27 15:49
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Other_characteristicsApr 27 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Psychopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaApr 27 15:50
MinceRif you're interested in psychopathy, i think The Mask of Sanity is a good read.Apr 27 15:50
msb__I'm talking about psychopathic behavior in an entire culture (which may not include everyone in that culture).Apr 27 15:51
msb__Psychopathy of the US culture results, not from trauma, but from intentional Bernaysian mind-control programming by ultra-wealthy US psychopaths.Apr 27 15:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3992422Apr 27 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Chicago is dismantling public schools against public opinion. This is part of the Gates/Broad attack on education. Teachers are blamed for poor performance when the real problem is poverty at home and starvation budgets for the school. In Chicago, they seem to be exploiting racism too. Public money is funneled into private hands in the name of serving the poor. http://www.alternet.org/education/despite-communApr 27 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.alternet.org | Chicago Pursuing School Privatization at Any Cost | Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/h71h0 ]Apr 27 15:57
msb__Basically that means that part of the school budget money is removed and given to private school owners as profit,Apr 27 16:00
schestowitzhttp://nsnbc.me/2014/04/26/us-brings-europe-to-brink-of-war-over-ukraine-intentionally/Apr 27 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nsnbc.me | US brings Europe to Brink of War over Ukraine - Intentionally | nsnbc international [ http://ur1.ca/h71hm ]Apr 27 16:01
schestowitz"Don’t, said a German analyst who reiterates that the US is systematically pushing Europe into a crisis for which the US has planned for decades."Apr 27 16:01
msb__Leaving less for teacher salaries, students' books, computers, etc.Apr 27 16:01
msb__In WWII, the US attacked socialist Russia by funding Hitler's Nazis.  In 2014, the US is attacking Russia by funding Nazis in Ukraine,Apr 27 16:02
schestowitz"US" as in plutocrats?Apr 27 16:03
schestowitzOr German-Americans?Apr 27 16:03
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_NazisApr 27 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneApr 27 16:03
msb__plutocratsApr 27 16:03
schestowitzI don't think you can geenralise like thisApr 27 16:03
schestowitzUS means US publicApr 27 16:04
schestowitzUS corporations means somethign elseApr 27 16:04
msb__Certain US ultra-wealthy provided 75% of the funding for Hitler's military buildup.Apr 27 16:04
msb__...in order to have Hitler kill off Socialism, which was threatening the profits of the ultra-wealthy.Apr 27 16:06
MinceRand you're saying all this in support of someone who is a dictator in cahoots with at least one christian cult, leading an invasion based on the same kind of casus belli hitler usedApr 27 16:09
MinceRfunnyApr 27 16:09
msb__No, MinceR, I'm not saying it in support of anybody.  Stop lying by attributing to me things I never said.  I am saying all this in order to explain the reasons behind what happened.Apr 27 16:12
MinceRyou keep lying in support of putin's conquest campaign.Apr 27 16:12
msb__What conquest campaign?Apr 27 16:13
MinceRthe one that's currently ongoing against ukraineApr 27 16:13
msb__That was started by a proxy attack by the US, using Ukrainian Nazis.  Putin is trying to protect Ukrainians who don't want to be ruled by those Nazis.Apr 27 16:15
MinceRso you saay.Apr 27 16:15
MinceRs/aa/a/Apr 27 16:15
msb__So many analysts say.  Do I have to find them for you?Apr 27 16:15
MinceRdo you also claim that hitler invaded czechoslovakia to protect the germans there?Apr 27 16:15
msb__No.Apr 27 16:16
MinceRputin's entire echo chamber says that? good for him.Apr 27 16:16
MinceRso what makes putin or ukraine special?Apr 27 16:16
msb__MinceR is claiming that most of the alternative press is "putin's entire echo chamber".Apr 27 16:17
MinceRalso, who will protect ukrainians who don't want to be ruled by putin?Apr 27 16:17
msb__The duly elected govt of Ukraine, until it was overthrown by the Nazis supported by the US.Apr 27 16:19
MinceRwho was a puppet of putinApr 27 16:19
MinceRalso, there are and were many dictators who were "elected", including hitlerApr 27 16:19
msb__I don't know, but he was elected.Apr 27 16:19
MinceRyeah, just like your favorite communist dictators keep getting "reelected"Apr 27 16:19
MinceRin races where nobody else is allowed to runApr 27 16:20
MinceRbut this is to be expected of someone who opposes democracyApr 27 16:20
msb__Well, elections by a fully informed citizenry is the best that can be done.Apr 27 16:20
MinceRthere are plenty more criteria for a fair election.Apr 27 16:20
MinceRalso, are you saying that ukrainians were fully informed when they elected yanukovych?Apr 27 16:21
msb__MinceR: Were other candidates prevented from running in the Ukraine election?Apr 27 16:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/460434674620190720Apr 27 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Neuroscience advances r amazing. Improved understanding of dynamic feedbacks are strengthening linkages to ecosystem theory :)Apr 27 16:21
MinceRi don't knowApr 27 16:21
MinceRbut as far as i know, there were plenty of issues in ukraine beforeApr 27 16:22
msb__MinceR: Then don't imply they were if you don't know.Apr 27 16:22
MinceRdo you know?Apr 27 16:22
MinceRalso, in many of the states you advertise here regularly, other candidates _are_ prevented from running.Apr 27 16:23
MinceRand that's what i was commenting on.Apr 27 16:23
msb__As to being fully informed, Ukraine has socialists, nazis, and centrists, so between their various news sources the public must have had access to the entire political spectrum.Apr 27 16:25
MinceRexcept that didn't even work for hungary.Apr 27 16:26
MinceRbblApr 27 16:26
MinceRreApr 27 16:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesApr 27 20:07
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3991470Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MSNBC's Chris Hayes calls Bundy ranch supporters 'insurgents' http://www.examiner.com/article/msnbc-s-chris-hayes-calls-bundy-ranch-supporters-insurgents characterising them like "terrorists"Apr 27 20:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.examiner.com | MSNBC's Chris Hayes calls Bundy ranch supporters 'insurgents' - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com [ http://ur1.ca/h72xe ]Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__'anyone to the right of Josef Stalin'?Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__I guess.... Image/photoApr 27 20:08
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schestowitz__http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gifApr 27 20:08
schestowitz__It's a handy imageApr 27 20:08
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3991855Apr 27 20:08
schestowitz__"Money is power everywhere..."Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #zuckerberg a politician (or political force) because money is power in the US http://kiwaradio.com/local-news/congressman-king-targeted-by-amnesty-ads-financed-by-facebooks-mark-zuckerberg/ https://www.numbersusa.com/news/boehner-mocks-house-republican-concerns-over-amnestyApr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> kiwaradio.com | Congressman King Targeted By Amnesty Ads Financed By Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg | KIWARadio.com [ http://ur1.ca/h72xs ]Apr 27 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.numbersusa.com | Boehner Mocks House Republican Concerns Over Amnesty | NumbersUSA [ http://ur1.ca/h72xu ]Apr 27 20:09
schestowitz__"And power becomes corruption..."Apr 27 20:09
schestowitz__Some systems put barriers in place, whereas SCOTUS rubberstamps the corruption into law (see recent court case)Apr 27 20:10
schestowitz__> http://mrpogson.com/2014/04/26/surface-loses/Apr 27 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Surface Loses | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/h72zt ]Apr 27 20:14
schestowitz__Article posted about it earlier. I wonder how long Enronsoft can go on for...Apr 27 20:14
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3993573Apr 27 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pretty soon, we could all be using the Dark Net http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/jamiebartlett/100013293/pretty-soon-we-could-all-be-using-the-dark-net/ #torApr 27 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.telegraph.co.uk | Pretty soon, we could all be using the Dark Net – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/h72vs ]Apr 27 20:31
schestowitz__"HAHAHA... Perfect analogy Chris. I2p is a darknet."Apr 27 20:31
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3992404Apr 27 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #europe 's #nuclear #risks. http://europeangreens.eu/nuclearApr 27 20:36
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schestowitz__"That would need us to drop nuclear power completely. I hope it will happen, but I don't believe in humanity anymoer, as it failed me many times. Humanity acts in illogical way, completely discarding any foreseeing, acting without any imagination. Short-term benefits make humanity blind and deaf on the risk."Apr 27 20:36
schestowitz__"Russia wants a war. Look how close they put their country to our troops!"Apr 27 20:36
MinceRhttp://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2023393433_apxrussiaputin.htmlApr 27 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-seattletimes.com | Putin admits Crimea troops were his, calls east Ukraine 'new Russia' | Nation & World | The Seattle Times [ http://ur1.ca/h73cu ]Apr 27 21:03
Sosumihe'd would have been smarter and more historically accurate then if he had called ukraine "little russia"Apr 27 21:08
Sosumior russiniaApr 27 21:08
MinceR:>Apr 27 21:08
schestowitz__MinceR: can we trust the source though?Apr 27 21:36
MinceRdunnoApr 27 21:36
schestowitz__Putin's press versus Wall Streeet's (Bloomberg)Apr 27 21:36
schestowitz__Sounds like propaganda to meApr 27 21:36
schestowitz__not just because of the source but because it conflcts with other things I readApr 27 21:37
schestowitz__just more infowarsApr 27 21:37
MinceRthere's probably video of itApr 27 21:37
schestowitz__!google hillary clinton information war losingApr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Hillary Clinton: US Losing Information War to Alternative Media ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DLyjnEm8DZkIApr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Who Does Hillary Think is Losing the Information War? - The Rush ... | http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/02/21/who_does_hillary_think_is_losing_the_information_warApr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Sec. of State Hillary Clinton: Al Jazeera is 'Real News', U.S. Losing ... | http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/03/sec-of-state-hillary-clinton-al-jazeera-is-real-news-us-losing-information-war/Apr 27 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Hillary Clinton: 'America Is Losing' An Information War That 'Al ... | http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-clinton-claims-al-jazeera-is-winning-an-information-war-that-america-is-losing/Apr 27 21:37
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schestowitz__I think she also commended Russia TodayApr 27 21:38
schestowitz__Can't recall if it was herApr 27 21:38
schestowitz__I think people turn to such channels now because they can trust these more than the corporations'Apr 27 21:38
schestowitz__MinceR: it's an AP report actuallyApr 27 21:39
schestowitz__i studied who runs it a while back, and ReutersApr 27 21:39
MinceRi mean, video of putin saying whateverApr 27 21:40
schestowitz__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_PressApr 27 21:40
schestowitz__"Headquarters New York City, New York, U.S."Apr 27 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Associated Press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73kg ]Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__I remembered this correctluApr 27 21:40
Sosumiaren't reuters and AP owned by the same dudes?Apr 27 21:40
schestowitz__income and revenue down for APApr 27 21:41
schestowitz__people go elsewhere for infoApr 27 21:41
schestowitz__and papers that license APT articles go under or lose readers to blogs and stuff, I guesApr 27 21:41
schestowitz__AP pretends to be intl'Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__cooperativeApr 27 21:42
schestowitz__but it's steered from Wall Str.Apr 27 21:42
schestowitz__and as my wife reads AP every day I can easily see their biasApr 27 21:42
schestowitz__US deaths count moreApr 27 21:42
schestowitz__and most of thr world is not even front page materialApr 27 21:42
schestowitz__So to expect US favouritism and acceptance (blind) of US conquest is naturalApr 27 21:43
schestowitz__"they meant well..."Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__Good guysApr 27 21:43
schestowitz__"Cutbacks at longtime U.S. rival United Press International, most significantly in 1993, left the AP as the primary nationally oriented news service based in the United States, although UPI still produces and distributes news stories and photos daily. Other English-language news services, such as Reuters and the English-language service of Agence France-Presse, are based outside the United States."Apr 27 21:43
schestowitz__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AP_headquarters.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_associated_press_building_in_new_york_city.jpgApr 27 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:AP headquarters.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73lk ]Apr 27 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:The associated press building in new york city.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h73ll ]Apr 27 21:44
schestowitz__Not news from the people for the people by the peopleApr 27 21:44
schestowitz__news from corporations, billionaires etc.Apr 27 21:44
MinceRgnApr 27 23:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Six clicks: Great tips and tricks for AndroidApr 27 23:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wine 1.7.17 released http://t.co/R97lCBXB47Apr 27 23:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Six clicks: Great tips and tricks for Android | Tux MachinesApr 27 23:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 1.7.17 released | Tux MachinesApr 27 23:19
_Goblinschestowitz__, just heard the show...great stuff but you need to take the bass out of my voice a little....Apr 27 23:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Re-sort KDE control modulesApr 28 00:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Re-sort KDE control modules | Tux MachinesApr 28 00:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat: Certain To Grow With Rising LinuxApr 28 00:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Acceptance http://t.co/ifka7uY6mcApr 28 00:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat: Certain To Grow With Rising Linux Acceptance | Tux MachinesApr 28 00:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Microsoft will continue to sell Nokia AndroidApr 28 00:45
TweetTuxMachines                 phones http://t.co/QL2wrIUEHgApr 28 00:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft will continue to sell Nokia Android phones | Tux MachinesApr 28 00:45
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460549451711393792  https://twitter.com/SandraEckersley/status/460549968529354753Apr 28 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz Rubbish. Totally invented. There are no charges bought against #Assange for anything published by #Wikileaks. Fact.Apr 28 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SandraEckersley: @schestowitz Every major publishing house has said they would help defend #Assange if he was ever charged over his publishing. No charges.Apr 28 01:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Xubuntu 14.04 LTS http://t.co/Fh94cKfU2bApr 28 04:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xubuntu 14.04 LTS | Tux MachinesApr 28 04:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Intel's P-State Driver Is Getting Better TunedApr 28 04:23
TweetTuxMachines                 For Performance http://t.co/nqnu8hs90VApr 28 04:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel's P-State Driver Is Getting Better Tuned For Performance | Tux MachinesApr 28 04:23
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DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/active-0day-attack-hijacking-ie-users-threatens-a-quarter-of-browser-market/Apr 28 05:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Active 0day attack hijacking IE users threatens a quarter of browser market | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h7653 ]Apr 28 05:49
DaemonFCThis one exists in XP and won't be patched. The first of many.Apr 28 05:50
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MinceRhttp://i.huffpost.com/gen/377023/BEST-ABSTRACT-EVER.jpgApr 28 07:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 14.04 On Amazon EC2: Xen PV vs. HVMApr 28 08:00
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/SU2Aol7hROApr 28 08:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 On Amazon EC2: Xen PV vs. HVM | Tux MachinesApr 28 08:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Driving sustainable innovation in GovernmentsApr 28 08:00
TweetTuxMachines                 with Open Source http://t.co/FGfDUzhe4pApr 28 08:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Driving sustainable innovation in Governments with Open Source | Tux MachinesApr 28 08:00
MinceRgeekingsApr 28 09:13
schestowitz__https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_eae6fb993cc93abedde4.jpgApr 28 09:15
schestowitz__MinceR: http://c3.likes-media.com/img/ed6eaa768c2805d1f5cd0001b67592d2.600x.gifApr 28 10:21
schestowitz__pussy https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_afdeb0eb86a4221ce9c8.jpg SFWApr 28 10:23
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Sosumihttp://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/28/apple-regains-market-iphone5s-sales/Apr 28 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Regains Market Share in Some Countries with Strong iPhone 5s Sales - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h77wd ]Apr 28 11:08
Sosumiblackberry kaput and windblows phone still trying to catch a favourable wind currentApr 28 11:09
schestowitz__in some countriesApr 28 11:09
schestowitz__lying with statsApr 28 11:09
schestowitz__like calling out only stats in USApr 28 11:09
schestowitz__as MS likes to doApr 28 11:09
schestowitz__Apple too, I guess, or in japanApr 28 11:09
Sosumiarrh it is like you're making android the divine god given mobile OS and the iphone os the devilApr 28 11:10
Sosumiboth are crapApr 28 11:11
Sosumithe only version of android I'd touch would only be the open source oneApr 28 11:11
Sosumifree of the google snooping junkApr 28 11:11
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3996523Apr 28 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #macrumors and other pro-Apple sites: finding angles to make positive-sounding #apple news even when the news is generally badApr 28 11:12
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3996528Apr 28 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ArsTechnica - couldn't be Arsed to actually #research #microsoft facts, so instead appointed a Microsoft prop to push Microsoft agendaApr 28 11:12
Sosumiit is just some number to ponder aboutApr 28 11:12
schestowitz__Sosumi: you can run FOSS on AndroidApr 28 11:12
schestowitz__!google apple store gplApr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Mac App Store - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_App_StoreApr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The GPL, the App Store, and you | Breaking Apple News, Tips and ... | http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/09/the-gpl-the-app-store-and-you/Apr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - No GPL Apps for Apple's App Store | ZDNet | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/8046Apr 28 11:12
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Why Is There No Version of Pidgin for iOS in the App Store? | https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/WhyNoiOSVersionApr 28 11:12
schestowitz__We use Firefox on Android for instanceApr 28 11:12
schestowitz__Although my wife starts preferring Chrome, unfortunatelyApr 28 11:13
schestowitz__Also, many android phones can be modded and reflashedApr 28 11:13
schestowitz__Apple makes it harder to even remove the batteries (surveillance even when turned off)Apr 28 11:13
Sosumiof the popular android phones around only the samsung lets you remove the batteryApr 28 11:14
schestowitz__hmmm... I didn't see many othersApr 28 11:14
Sosumiso for other manufacturers, HTC, LG...Apr 28 11:14
schestowitz__Maybe you're right, I didn't checkApr 28 11:15
schestowitz__All models?Apr 28 11:15
Sosumiall the high end for sureApr 28 11:15
schestowitz__That's freaky weirdApr 28 11:15
Sosumitry to remove the battery on the nexus 5Apr 28 11:15
schestowitz__I wonder if the FCC et al. will start pushing for this as 'standard'Apr 28 11:15
Sosumior the htc oneApr 28 11:15
schestowitz__the two mobile I used to use sometimes (bought anonymously) made it easy to remove the batts quicklyApr 28 11:15
schestowitz__With Nexus 7 it's hard, but it's a tabletApr 28 11:15
schestowitz__gtgApr 28 11:16
schestowitz__bblApr 28 11:16
Sosumican't remove the battery on the LG G2 eitherApr 28 11:16
msb__Doesn't the android OS do all sorts of things that the user may need to modify, thus need the source code of the OS and the ability to alter the OS image in the phone/tablet?Apr 28 11:17
msb__Such as communication with USB devices.Apr 28 11:18
Sosumiit can because google provides the source code, but then comes issues like drivers, optimization and so onApr 28 11:19
Sosumior features that as custom to specific maker and enabled only on his forkApr 28 11:20
Sosumilike blinking ledsApr 28 11:20
msb__Right, you would need full info like you get with a GNU/Linux system.Apr 28 11:20
Sosumithat is why the best phones for such endeavours have been the nexus linesApr 28 11:20
Sosumithey're just "simple"Apr 28 11:21
Sosumithere's also a manufacturer who sell cyanmogen mod flashed phonesApr 28 11:21
SosumiI think it is called 1 plus oneApr 28 11:21
Sosumihttp://oneplus.net/Apr 28 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oneplus.net | Home - OnePlus.netApr 28 11:22
msb__Lots of additional features:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenModApr 28 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | CyanogenMod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/8th0c ]Apr 28 11:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Development Of Ubuntu 14.10 Has AlreadyApr 28 11:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Started http://t.co/kK7L8rUBPbApr 28 11:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Development Of Ubuntu 14.10 Has Already Started | Tux MachinesApr 28 11:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Web App Shortcuts To Get New Look in Chrome,Apr 28 11:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Chrome OS http://t.co/LJhJEK9E2UApr 28 11:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Web App Shortcuts To Get New Look in Chrome, Chrome OS | Tux MachinesApr 28 11:36
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msb__Sosumi: The OnePlus is interesting, but there's a lot of commercial hype in its website.Apr 28 11:41
Sosumiyeah Apr 28 11:41
SosumiI noticed thatApr 28 11:41
Sosumijust wait and seeApr 28 11:41
msb__And it doesn't say whether the thing is open source or not.Apr 28 11:41
Sosumiprobably asstechnica will review it or somethingApr 28 11:41
msb__...or to what extent.Apr 28 11:41
MinceRSosumi: the point is that android is _less_ crap than most of the others :>Apr 28 11:41
MinceRin many areas of IT, we can't help but settle for 'less crap'Apr 28 11:42
Sosumiaka, this turd smells less bad than the otherApr 28 11:42
Sosumiopen source android is the way to goApr 28 11:44
Sosumibut I'm not sure how's the deal with storesApr 28 11:44
Sosumior so to say if there's something similar to the ubuntu way of browsing software thereApr 28 11:45
MinceRhttps://ribanc.com/files/10314513_10203491704150423_3394958408642256854_n.jpgApr 28 11:50
MinceRSosumi: f-droidApr 28 11:50
SosumiFUBARing droidApr 28 11:51
Sosumiit goes in and everything gets f'ed up beyond any recognitionApr 28 11:52
Sosumijust bits and piecesApr 28 11:52
MinceR124141 < Sosumi> probably asstechnica will review it or somethingApr 28 11:57
MinceRand then say "this is not a hypePhone, so it sucks"?Apr 28 11:57
MinceRor only index.hu does that every single time?Apr 28 11:57
Sosumi"asstechnica"Apr 28 11:58
Sosumi"ASStechnica"!Apr 28 11:59
MinceRarse technicaApr 28 11:59
Sosumi:)Apr 28 12:00
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/460653370420649984Apr 28 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NinaByzantina: If you see #Putin everywhere, it might be good to visit a psychiatrist. ;) | Паранойя зашкаливает: пора к психиатору. http://t.co/20xoxEMRgvApr 28 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NinaByzantina: If you see #Putin everywhere, it might be good to visit a psychiatrist. ;) | Паранойя зашкаливает: пора к психиатору. http://t.co/20xoxEMRgvApr 28 13:42
Sosumidalai lama on the top with his mysticism and superstition is betterApr 28 13:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta ReleaseApr 28 14:12
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/QtSIqecZ3gApr 28 14:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Polishing the Rare Gem That Is LinuxApr 28 14:13
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/lturCzFoxWApr 28 14:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 Beta Release | Tux MachinesApr 28 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Polishing the Rare Gem That Is Linux | Tux MachinesApr 28 14:13
msb__Sosumi: Are you there?Apr 28 14:24
SosumiI'am nowApr 28 14:25
msb__Cartoon Network showed the next to the last episode of Ghost in the Shell SAC first season Sunday morning.Apr 28 14:27
msb__There is a fair amount of philosophy in it.  Motoko realizes that some of the tachikomas sacrificed themselves to save Batou's life.  (Section 9 is being attacked by a corrupt branch of govt that Section 9 exposed.)Apr 28 14:29
msb__She thinks that maybe the tachikomas have developed ghosts, and wished she'd paid more attention to that before.Apr 28 14:29
Sosumithe tachikomas had developed personalities of their ownApr 28 14:30
Sosumiaka, they became differentiatedApr 28 14:30
Sosumiand the synching of information between them no longer guaranteed that the robots would behave the sameApr 28 14:31
msb__Yes, although they shared some of the personalities, because they frequently connected with one another.Apr 28 14:31
Sosumito contribute to that was also Batou's attachment for a particular tachikomaApr 28 14:31
msb__And they loved the "natural oil" that he have them.Apr 28 14:31
SosumiyeahApr 28 14:32
msb__But regardless of the differentiation or similarity of their personalities, they had developed ghosts -- consciousness.Apr 28 14:32
msb__They were not robots anymore, but synthetic people.Apr 28 14:33
SosumiyepApr 28 14:33
Sosumithat is what "ghost" means consciousness, intuition, built on past experiences from situations, books and in general, lifeApr 28 14:35
msb__Also Motoko and Batou were talking about how they each used physical objects -- she a wristwatch and he his (useless) weight-training equipment -- to remind themselves, or prove to themselves, that they were still people, even though they were fully cyberized, in synthetic bodies.  Apr 28 14:35
Sosumijust because their bodies are made of inorganic matter doesn't mean that it wouldn't be aliveApr 28 14:35
msb__yesApr 28 14:36
Sosumiit is memento of whom they wereApr 28 14:36
msb__Thus ghosts in the metallic shell.Apr 28 14:36
Sosumiif they had been born mechanical in the first placeApr 28 14:36
Sosumithey wouldn't have felt that wayApr 28 14:37
msb__Unless, like the tachikomas, they had evolved to it.Apr 28 14:37
Sosumiyes, but tachikomas wouldn't feel the need for such mementosApr 28 14:38
MinceRhttp://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1992.htmlApr 28 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geekculture.com | The Joy of Tech comic... Net Neutrality walks into a bar... [ http://ur1.ca/h795o ]Apr 28 14:38
MinceRno plastic?Apr 28 14:38
Sosumimeh plasticApr 28 14:39
Sosumigief carbon nanotubeApr 28 14:39
Sosumiwhen crapple builds an hypephone out of that, I'll buy oneApr 28 14:39
Sosumiso I caqn flash it with open source androidApr 28 14:39
msb__In the 1995 GITS movie, Motoko pulls so hard on the hatch of a tank that she tears her skin, and reveals the mechanical parts underneath.Apr 28 14:40
SosumiyepApr 28 14:40
Sosumithe lesson of the 1995 movie is that randomness is what keeps the things flowingApr 28 14:41
Sosumithat was why motoko got togusa which is basically human out of the policeApr 28 14:41
msb__How so?Apr 28 14:41
MinceRcarbon nanotubes are organic, aren't they?Apr 28 14:41
Sosumito enter an element of randomness on the team of overspecialized and augmented membersApr 28 14:42
MinceRSosumi: when crApple has Foxconn build a hypePhone out of carbon nanotubes, all their competitors will already have such productsApr 28 14:42
msb__MinceR: Yes, in that they are CHON, but they are not alive.Apr 28 14:42
MinceRneither are plasticsApr 28 14:42
MinceRand yet they're organic as wellApr 28 14:42
Sosumiand that the bodie is merely a vehicle for the mindApr 28 14:42
Sosumiand what matters is the continuance of that same mindApr 28 14:42
Sosumialso to ensure survivability the puppeteer chooses to merge with motokoApr 28 14:43
Sosumibecause merely copying himself over and over again would only lead to the stagnation of himselfApr 28 14:43
Sosumiand the change for him to be wiped cleanApr 28 14:43
Sosumithink of it on the same lines of animal diversityApr 28 14:44
msb__Right, and, yes, he says that variability -- randomness -- is necessary to avoid stagnation.Apr 28 14:44
SosumiyepApr 28 14:44
Sosumicarbon is organicApr 28 14:44
msb__The word "organic" has two different meanings.  In chemistry, it's compounds comprised of CHON, but elsewhere it means "alive" -- product of DNA, enzymes, etc.Apr 28 14:45
MinceRwhat's alive?Apr 28 14:46
SosumiI amApr 28 14:46
Sosumiwhat about you?Apr 28 14:46
Sosumi:PApr 28 14:46
MinceR"Life is a characteristic distinguishing objects having signaling and self-sustaining processes from those that do not"Apr 28 14:46
MinceRit doesn't say anywhere that, say, a nanomachine couldn't be alive :>Apr 28 14:47
msb__Reproduction is another characteristic of being alive.Apr 28 14:50
MinceRwhich is yet another thing machines could be capable ofApr 28 14:51
MinceRgrey goo, for example :>Apr 28 14:51
msb__So Motoko merges with the Puppet Master in the 1995 movie, who did have a synthetic origin.  He was an AI created by some govt as a weapon, but evolved to consciousness in the Net.Apr 28 14:51
Sosumiit was built for edging international affairsApr 28 14:52
msb__And in SAC season 2, she merges with the cyberized guy who was helping the refugees.Apr 28 14:53
Sosumithat was probably why it was so versed in philosophyApr 28 14:53
Sosumino idea about SAC2Apr 28 14:53
SosumiI'm not fan of those seriesApr 28 14:53
Sosumiin the movies is where the magic isApr 28 14:54
msb__So you said.  That's why I mentioned the philosophizing in that episode of SAC1.  It's worth watching!Apr 28 14:54
Sosumiit is light philosophy, nothing specialApr 28 14:55
msb__Motoko remembers her childhood in SAC2.Apr 28 14:55
SosumiI had read all that before in other booksApr 28 14:55
msb__Anyhow, I found a copy of Patlabor 1 and am about halfway through it.  It's pretty good.  I haven't found Patlabor 2 yet.Apr 28 14:57
msb__Thanks for suggesting them.Apr 28 14:57
Sosumiwhat goes on in gits has been written by Liebnitz, aristotle, plato, bertrand russel, norbert wiener, etc.Apr 28 14:57
Sosumijust go to kickass torrentsApr 28 14:58
msb__Yes, but itApr 28 14:58
Sosumithe two movies are thereApr 28 14:58
msb__'s much more fun in anime'!Apr 28 14:58
msb__Not Patlabor 2 dubbed, that I've found so far.Apr 28 14:58
Sosumiit is subbedApr 28 14:58
msb__I don't like subtitles.Apr 28 14:59
SosumilolApr 28 14:59
msb__Anyhow, nothing seeded in kat.Apr 28 15:01
msb__So what's your idea about why Motoko likes to work naked?  I have three theories: 1. the thermoptic camo works better that way 2. she enjoys being a girl 3. fan service!Apr 28 15:06
Sosumicamo with fan serviceApr 28 15:07
Sosumiand to make it look "adult"Apr 28 15:08
msb__Works for me!Apr 28 15:08
msb__An interesting thing I've noticed about anime's is that the characters aren't drawn with the epicanthic fold.  They don't look Asian!Apr 28 15:12
Sosumion ghost in the shell?Apr 28 15:13
msb__In any of them that I've seen.  Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Inuyasha, to name the more famous ones.Apr 28 15:14
Sosumino ideaApr 28 15:14
msb__I don't know if they're aiming for the US market, or if the creators don't like that facial feature themselves, which would be weird.Apr 28 15:16
MinceRor it's just extra complexity which would slow down drawingApr 28 15:16
MinceRand wouldn't help with facial expressionsApr 28 15:16
msb__maybeApr 28 15:17
msb__In GITS and Inuyasha, the locale is explicitly Japan.Apr 28 15:19
Sosumigits is in a fictional "new port city"Apr 28 15:20
Sosumiafter a warApr 28 15:21
msb__But it is in Japan.  At least the SAC series is.Apr 28 15:21
msb__And the faces are drawn fairly accurately, to look human, not cartoonish.  But no folds.Apr 28 15:23
msb__I saw a movie a long time ago which had a woman getting, or wanting, plastic surgery to remove the fold, and the conflict this caused with her boyfriend.Apr 28 15:30
MinceR(javascript) http://alexnisnevich.github.io/untrusted/Apr 28 15:30
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msb__... who was maybe a US soldier/sailor?  William Holden?Apr 28 15:31
msb__OK, a game in which you have to actually *write* javascript in order to play!  Weird!Apr 28 15:37
msb__Sosumi: How about WXIII Patlabor the Movie 3?  Is that one good?Apr 28 15:42
Sosumiit is okApr 28 15:54
Sosumiabout synthetic biologyApr 28 15:54
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msb__Sosumi: Thanks!Apr 28 16:02
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460681608362594304/photo/1Apr 28 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: To the Record Industry Assoc. of America: @seeved @_goblin @schestowitz http://t.co/rVgQMmVy1tApr 28 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: To the Record Industry Assoc. of America: @seeved @_goblin @schestowitz http://t.co/rVgQMmVy1tApr 28 17:34
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460662905310945282Apr 28 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @_Goblin @schestowitz great podcast Games could be made into free software if the concept of @Bittunes works out http://t.co/7RYayMwCw6Apr 28 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bittunes.org | bittunes… an independent digital music market - bittunes.orgApr 28 17:41
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460677478856404992  https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460675209150746624  https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460674403937050624   https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/46067358229765734Apr 28 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes those that destroy talent for profit & set a artist status quo @_Goblin @schestowitzApr 28 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz major labels, publishers, rights collectors, intermediaries, aggregators, (a bloated value chain)Apr 28 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes the middle men rec agencys? @_Goblin @schestowitzApr 28 17:45
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460673582297657344Apr 28 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: and all the other pigs with their heads in the trough, go hungry... #disintermediation @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitzApr 28 17:45
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460671119851155456  https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/460669327562539008  https://twitter.com/bittunes/status/460663280961191936Apr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: That's the idea... Both profit. "@SEEVed: @bittunes It looks like a model that will work for Users & Creators @_Goblin @schestowitz"Apr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @bittunes It looks like a model that will work for Users & Creators @_Goblin @schestowitzApr 28 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bittunes: @SEEVed @_Goblin @schestowitz lots of potential.. But slowly slowly catch the monkey.Apr 28 17:46
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DaemonFCshared a link.Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFC3 minutes agoApr 28 19:35
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1404_encryption&num=1Apr 28 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] The Performance Impact Of Linux Disk Encryption On Ubuntu 14.04 LTS [ http://ur1.ca/h7b1r ]Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCLUKS is pretty easy to set up on Ubuntu. All you need to do, really, is check "set up LVM" and "encrypt my partitions" (or something to that effect), and then enter a strong password.Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCPretty much everyone that takes their laptop with them through an international customs checkpoint or onto an airplane with them should do this. ICE and the TSA have a nasty habit of flipping open your laptop and searching it and/or copying all your files. Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCAlarmingly, the Supreme Court has let them get away with this, even when they don't have probable cause or a warrant to search you.Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCIf your entire disk is encrypted with LUKS and you have a strong password, they're not going to get anything off of it.Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCWindows, on the other hand, *says* you can use full disk encryption, but Microsoft gave most governments backdoors that instantly decrypt your hard drive.Apr 28 19:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, What those videos that tell you what to say to the police don't tell you is that by saying any of that, you basically might as well be saying "Officer, please beat me up and then spend an hour tearing through my car, then make it legal later because the judge is an asshole, and throw in a resisting arrest charge as well, please."Apr 28 19:37
DaemonFCSaying anything other than the bare minimum that you legally have to to the police or filling out a "statement" of any kind is a really awful idea.Apr 28 19:39
DaemonFCWhen they say they want your side of the story, what they really mean is that they want you to talk, and they're hoping that you can give them some more damning information that they can use against you later. They're not looking to "be fair" about anything at all.Apr 28 19:40
DaemonFCThe Indiana legal system is turning into something like those courts they have in China.Apr 28 19:40
DaemonFCAnyone who goes there is guilty by default, and the more you protest, the more guilty you must be.Apr 28 19:41
DaemonFCAlthough, I did have one friend that managed to go in there without a lawyer after wisely shutting the hell up during the whole process, and the state's case fell apart because they really had no evidence at all. I was shocked, because I've really never seen anyone go in there for anything without a lawyer and walk back out without shackles.Apr 28 19:43
DaemonFCI don't think that the system is as racist as people say it is, at least not directly. It treats POOR PEOPLE like shit, and it might be indirectly racist because more black people tend to be poor.Apr 28 19:44
DaemonFCMeanwhile, there was that rich white CEO that beat up his girlfriend over 100 times and then complained that he had to pay a $500 fine.Apr 28 19:45
DaemonFCIt really is a system of inferior justice for the poor.Apr 28 19:45
DaemonFCIf he had been making $20,000 a year and living in a trailer, he would have gotten a felony and a number of years in prison.Apr 28 19:46
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Sosumiluckily or notApr 28 21:55
SosumiI've had a test machine running windows 8.1 for 20 days non stopApr 28 21:57
DaemonFChttp://mashable.com/2014/04/28/microsoft-nadella-path-bug-xp/Apr 28 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Microsoft's Nadella Should Patch IE Bug for Windows XP [ http://ur1.ca/h7c5n ]Apr 28 21:57
Sosumiwhile learning my ways around VS and getting to know the whole .net crapApr 28 21:57
MinceR...by closing shop.Apr 28 21:57
DaemonFCSo, basically, there are millions of Windows XP systems out there that can all be taken over with this one bug.Apr 28 21:57
Sosumiwith no issues nor any erratic behaviorApr 28 21:57
Sosumithe same I can't tell about a osx machine I have which starts displaying erratic behavior just after 3 daysApr 28 21:58
Sosumior not clearing the ramApr 28 21:58
MinceRsomeone mentioned that there are other well known unfixed bugs as wellApr 28 21:58
MinceRolder ones, tooApr 28 21:59
Sosumithe IE zero day thing?Apr 28 21:59
MinceRyesApr 28 21:59
Sosumithere was also a flash 0 day patch released todayApr 28 21:59
MinceRflash should also hurry up and dieApr 28 21:59
Sosumiyep because no tablet or phone supports itApr 28 22:00
MinceRand because it sucksApr 28 22:00
SosumiyepApr 28 22:00
MinceRand because it's made by idiots who have no hope of ever making anything that does not suckApr 28 22:00
Sosumi:)Apr 28 22:01
Sosumiok one issue with the winblows machineApr 28 22:02
Sosumijust discovered it nowApr 28 22:02
Sosumiafter certain point, windows fails to automatically lock the issueApr 28 22:02
Sosumias I had it configuredApr 28 22:02
sebsebsebSosumi: MinceR deam unforutnaty swithing these old WIndows XP machines over to LInux,  is not always so simle nwoApr 28 22:03
sebsebsebupstream have messed things upApr 28 22:04
sebsebsebthere's  issues with isolinux syslinux whatever it was cuasing boot up probemsApr 28 22:04
MinceRno cd/dvd boot support?Apr 28 22:04
sebsebsebat least Mageia is trying to get such issues fixed for a Mageia 4.1 release, but  I still haven't just been able to test iso'S for that on  an old XP computer here,  becuase of isuses with burners uhApr 28 22:04
DaemonFCMinceR, The problem here is that Microsoft *will* patch this, but that the patch won't be publicly released, through official channels at least.Apr 28 22:04
sebsebsebMinceR: yes loads of verisons of distor's  won't even boot up on that old omputerApr 28 22:05
sebsebsebfrom the last three years or so it seems or moreApr 28 22:05
DaemonFCWhat will happen is that the companies and government agencies that have paid a fortune for end of life support will still get the patches, but nobody else will, and millions of XP systems are going to become zombies.Apr 28 22:05
sebsebsebMinceR: ,but i think what Mageia is having a fix for, is the issues I am on aboutApr 28 22:05
sebsebseband don't tell me to dd some usb stickApr 28 22:05
sebsebseband then try and boot that on the computerApr 28 22:05
MinceRthere are some distros and remixes that focus on older computersApr 28 22:05
sebsebseb,becaue I don't get anywhere iwth dd when I Tired before, to actsualy make a bootable USBApr 28 22:05
DaemonFCI suppose that you could get the leaked hotfixes from a warez site, but that's an ironic place to have to go for security updates. :PApr 28 22:05
sebsebsebMinceR: no it's a boot up issueApr 28 22:06
sebsebsebMinceR: not the distro itselfApr 28 22:06
MinceRstrange, dd always worked for meApr 28 22:06
MinceRthough it depends on the imageApr 28 22:06
DaemonFClike the MyDigitalLife forum.Apr 28 22:06
sebsebsebwel it didn't seem tow ork for meApr 28 22:06
DaemonFCThey always release those updates that Microsoft doesn't allow public access to.Apr 28 22:06
*sebsebseb is not happy that he know someone, who despite everything he said etc, is sitl running XP online uhApr 28 22:06
MinceRdebian and crunchbang (and probably other debian-based distros) support usb flash booting via iso imageApr 28 22:06
sebsebsebok using FIrefox though not INternt ExplorerApr 28 22:06
DaemonFCThere were well over a hundred of them the last time I looked, and that was probably 6-7 years ago.Apr 28 22:06
sebsebseb,but still things won't be as secure as they should be nowApr 28 22:06
MinceRiirc DSL has additional support for various ways of bootingApr 28 22:07
MinceRnot sure about TinyCoreApr 28 22:07
sebsebsebMinceR: DaemonFC  Sosumi she said I could witch over to LinuxApr 28 22:07
sebsebsebafter a back upApr 28 22:07
sebsebseb,but no back up been doneApr 28 22:07
sebsebseband she carires on using the ocmputer like normal email etc etcApr 28 22:07
MinceRthat will lead to data loss eventuallyApr 28 22:07
*sebsebseb is trying to get a ISO burnt to DVD to try out on the computer, but isuesApr 28 22:08
sebsebsebMinceR: Internet was offline earlier well the wirelss was downApr 28 22:08
DaemonFCIt's almost impossible for Microsoft to patch large parts of Windows and assure people that the same exact exploit won't surface again.Apr 28 22:08
sebsebsebMinceR: sine osmeone had msesed it up, and she wanted it on so badly, so she could email smeoneApr 28 22:08
sebsebsebnow back on and wellApr 28 22:08
DaemonFCSo, some of those hotfixes are patching basically the same exploit 5-6 times.Apr 28 22:08
MinceRcould have used a liveusb or something temporarilyApr 28 22:08
sebsebsebMinceR: how are you meant to get your not so technicl mother to understandApr 28 22:08
MinceRdunnoApr 28 22:09
sebsebsebMinceR: the seurity risks enug hto see it as a priorit to sorto ut I don't knmowApr 28 22:09
MinceRi bought a tablet for my mother :>Apr 28 22:09
sebsebsebMinceR: then she'll do some online shoping or something with it at this rate again to or something and hmmApr 28 22:09
sebsebsebI guess once I got a working ISO  from CD/DVD that works on there to be ued to install Linux fromApr 28 22:10
sebsebsebthen I really start pushing the switch over idea or something I guessApr 28 22:10
sebsebsebfor now I am in limbo kind of untill sorted that outApr 28 22:10
sebsebsebMinceR: DaemonFC Sosumi tis isn't like some Linux distro going EOLApr 28 22:11
sebsebsebit's WIndows XPApr 28 22:11
sebsebsebused b millions stillApr 28 22:11
sebsebseba targetApr 28 22:11
sebsebsebwhen a LInux distro goes EOL it's like eh, well ok should ugprade really, butp robably going to be quite ok stil using online and such without updats really for quite some itmeApr 28 22:11
MinceRthe hardware varies a lot, thoughApr 28 22:11
sebsebsebMinceR: I should get my desktops sorted out maybeApr 28 22:12
sebsebsebcan't use my old burnerApr 28 22:12
sebsebsebthe old CD/dvd WRITER for netbook nope dind't get far with burnig.  this extenral blue ray  not had luck either in Linux.   I'll actsaully be trying WIndows  7 starter later on, to see if it's got anything to do with OS or not uhApr 28 22:12
MinceRwhen the questions "does it have usb?" and "can it boot from cd?" pop up, you know you're potentially dealing with very old hardware :>Apr 28 22:12
sebsebsebwell it can boot up form thse old Ubuntu 6.06  CD's still for exampleApr 28 22:13
sebsebsebno problemApr 28 22:13
sebsebsebit's not that it can't boot from CD/DVDApr 28 22:13
sebsebsebit's  that certian later  versions of stuff isn't going to work, since the bug I am on about with syslinux or isolinux whiever one it wasApr 28 22:13
MinceR(and if both answers are "no", you're stuck with floppies :> )Apr 28 22:13
sebsebsebMinceR: I got on a interesitng aritlce/blog ostApr 28 22:14
sebsebsebthe other nightApr 28 22:14
sebsebsebabout  wel lsandboxing and suchApr 28 22:14
sebsebseband  how een doing that with WIndows XP woudn't be os secure really, beczue the kernel isn't secureApr 28 22:14
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sebsebsebMinceR: altough jut thought of it againApr 28 22:19
sebsebsebMinceR: this is a moter who didn't know what bcc was Apr 28 22:20
sebsebsebMinceR: or ccApr 28 22:20
sebsebsebthat was the other eveningApr 28 22:20
MinceRmost email users apparently don't knowApr 28 22:28
MinceRwhich is sadApr 28 22:28
schestowitz__[19:37] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, What those videos that tell you what to say to the police don't tell you is that by saying any of that, you basically might as well be saying "Officer, please beat me up and then spend an hour tearing through my car, then make it legal later because the judge is an asshole, and throw in a resisting arrest charge as well, please."Apr 28 22:28
schestowitz__DaemonFC: depends on the caseApr 28 22:28
schestowitz__But it's usually them who record everythingApr 28 22:29
schestowitz__and they have control over what's used in a courtApr 28 22:29
sebsebsebMinceR: indeed computer basics?Apr 28 22:29
MinceRnetiquetteApr 28 22:29
sebsebsebyeahApr 28 22:29
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msb__Is this globe on tuxmachines supposed to show my location?  Because it's not.   http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/63078/Apr 28 23:28
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msb__schestowitz__: But it is an excellent news site.  Thanks, Roy and Rianne!Apr 28 23:31
msb__schestowitz__: Rianne's picture in the left-hand column is too dark.  I thought it was a black silhouette until I turned the gamma way up.  Yours I can see just fine.Apr 28 23:32
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DaemonFCI keep my software up to date. Why shouldn't I? It's not like buying the new version is going to cost me $150 and slow my computer down by 50%. It's not Microsoft software.Apr 29 01:49
DaemonFCI tried to see if I could get one of those Lemote systems at one point.Apr 29 01:52
DaemonFCIt was going to cost a fortune and I would have to buy it from a seller in the UK and pay for further shipping to me. I decided that it wasn't worth the money or risk.Apr 29 01:54
DaemonFCYou just can't seem to find them here at all.Apr 29 01:54
DaemonFCSo, every computer I've ever used with GNU/Linux has been a system that was really intended for Windows, and seemed jury rigged in some way or another.Apr 29 01:57
msb__DaemonFC: Almost every (non-Mac) PC is designed for Windows.  So what?  Every Linux distro deals fine with PCs as they are.  It doesn't matter whether they are that way to fit Windows.  Linux isn't "jury-rigged", it's designed to work with computers the way they are.  And it works great.Apr 29 02:26
msb__DaemonFC: Just get a PC with the cpu, ram, disk(s), etc., that you want, or buy a case, cpu, mobo, ram, disk(s) etc., that you want and assemble it yourself, which is easy.  You can always ask here for help if you need it.Apr 29 02:29
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msb__DaemonFC: A good current choice is an AMD FX-8350, an appropriate ASUS mobo, 8GB of RAM, one or more WD 2TB Caviar Black disks.Apr 29 02:35
msb__DaemonFC: That will make a cheap, reliable screamer.  I think it's the current sweet spot.Apr 29 02:36
msb__DaemonFC: Get a case with disk boxes that slide out and that have fans.  Figure out how many 2TB drives you will ever need and get a case that can hold 50% more than that.Apr 29 02:38
msb__DaemonFC: Get an after-market heatsink-fan that has 1/8th inch spacing between the fins so you can blow dust out of it easily.Apr 29 02:39
msb__...for the cpuApr 29 02:40
msb__DaemonFC: Every GNU/Linux distro will run on that just fine.Apr 29 02:40
msb__DaemonFC: Figure out the total wattage consumed by the various parts and get a power supply (sometimes they come with the case) that's rated for 150% of that, or even 200%.Apr 29 02:48
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DaemonFCThe Mac PCs are amazingly even worse when you go to use GNU/Linux on them.Apr 29 03:17
DaemonFCI don't think it's possible to secure a computer that was designed around Windows as well as it should be secured.Apr 29 03:18
DaemonFCMark Shuttleworth recently blogged about the firmware security problems that systems designed around Windows have.Apr 29 03:19
DaemonFCThe problem is that it's where all the affordable hardware is because it's mass market hardware.Apr 29 03:19
cubezzzwell that was oddApr 29 03:24
cubezzzI somehow lost google toolbar, then find that google discontinued itApr 29 03:24
cubezzzapparently it has disappeared from my hard driveApr 29 03:25
cubezzzand now I've reinstalled this different google toolbarApr 29 03:26
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cubezzzit's got some interesting options thoughApr 29 03:29
DaemonFCWell, there's no really good reason not to be using Chromium anymore.Apr 29 03:34
cubezzzwhat if I have multiple systems with old gtk?Apr 29 03:41
cubezzzit's not going to work with chromiumApr 29 03:42
cubezzzI'm not even sure the google toolbar was open sourceApr 29 03:43
cubezzzI give every company a big thumbs down for endless forced upgradesApr 29 03:47
cubezzzmozilla could have kept making gtk1 builds, but they choose not toApr 29 03:50
cubezzznow I don't think they even bother with gtk2 buildsApr 29 03:50
cubezzzand a lot of google's stuff is here today and gone tomorrowApr 29 03:50
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msb__cubezzz: Firefox just did an upgrade from version 28.0 to 29.0 today.  I haven't got it yet because I haven't restarted Firefox.Apr 29 04:42
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msb__I'm afraid my whole personality may change.  I may not be the same person anymore.  Too much Ghost in the Shell!Apr 29 04:43
msb__cubezzz: You are right.  We should all go back to using Unix v.7 or something that we can understand the source code of. Good old blocky graphics!Apr 29 04:51
DaemonFC<cubezzz> I give every company a big thumbs down for endless forced upgradesApr 29 04:51
msb__If we can understand it, they can't change it without our knowing it.  GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!Apr 29 04:52
DaemonFCThe forced upgrades are only necessary because some people never update their software.Apr 29 04:52
DaemonFCWeb browsers are a gigantic threat to the user if they're out of date, so automatic upgrades are a way of keeping users safe, in spite of themselves.Apr 29 04:52
DaemonFCAlso, it keeps the Chrome platform from fragmenting so badly that web developers don't even know what to do.Apr 29 04:53
DaemonFCImagine if some significant percentage of users were using each of the last 34 versions of Chrome.Apr 29 04:53
DaemonFCThat would be disastrous.Apr 29 04:53
msb__But what if Google makes a mistake in the auto-update, and everyone in the whole world goes insane at the same time?Apr 29 04:54
DaemonFCI don't think that has happened.Apr 29 04:54
msb__Then we would be defenseless against an alien attackApr 29 04:55
msb__!Apr 29 04:55
DaemonFCOn GNU/Linux, you don't get forced to upgrade Chrome anyway.Apr 29 04:55
DaemonFCIt uses your distribution's package manager.Apr 29 04:55
DaemonFCI can't think of a good reason to be using an old version of Chrome.Apr 29 04:56
msb__Not on my machine.  I'm getting Firefox directly.Apr 29 04:56
msb__It's just in my account, not in with the system software.Apr 29 04:56
cubezzzmsb_, my idea isn't to go back to unix v7Apr 29 04:56
cubezzzmy idea is to run multiple eras of operating systems, using emulators if necessaryApr 29 04:57
msb__cubezzz: So if one of them explodes, the others should still work.Apr 29 04:57
DaemonFChttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963Apr 29 04:57
DaemonFCLOLApr 29 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-article.gmane.org | Gmane -- Re: FYA: http: heartbleed.com [ http://ur1.ca/h1lf2 ]Apr 29 04:58
cubezzzthe other eras include unix v6, v7, 2.11bsd, 4.3bsd, fc1 (along with other incarnations of fedora), vector linux, etcApr 29 04:58
cubezzzmsb__, yes, that's one of the main ideas!Apr 29 04:58
DaemonFCSo, OpenSSL is a godawful mess and this exploit has caused people to notice.Apr 29 04:59
cubezzzversatility is importantApr 29 05:00
DaemonFCAnd now it will be fixed (as LibreSSL).Apr 29 05:00
cubezzzopenssl is a good example, since I also run multiple versions of opensslApr 29 05:00
DaemonFCHopefully, distributions will kick OpenSSL out as soon as it becomes practical to do that.Apr 29 05:00
msb__We should have backup cyberbrains too, in case we get ghost-hacked.Apr 29 05:00
cubezzzsome versions I run predate the heart-bleed bugApr 29 05:00
DaemonFCWhy would you ever want your SSL library to be developed by people who take security seriously? :)Apr 29 05:01
DaemonFCyeah, but with that much stupid shit in there, you don't know what _else_ could be wrong....Apr 29 05:01
DaemonFCFrom what I understand, the LibreSSL team has been deleting code that was specific to ancient platforms that nobody other than maybe a hobbyist would be running on anything anyway.Apr 29 05:02
DaemonFCLike, Windows 9x, OS 2 Warp 4 (1996), and Mac OS 9 (2001).Apr 29 05:02
msb__Software complexity may increase beyond our brains' ability to deal with it.Apr 29 05:06
msb__This may be the answer to the Fermi Paradox -- Where Is Everybody?Apr 29 05:06
msb__Their software progressed to the level where it destroyed them!Apr 29 05:07
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cubezzzwell it's not necessary to know every line of codeApr 29 05:08
cubezzzas long as you understand things well enough to fix problems which arise Apr 29 05:08
msb__We must all go back to PC-DOS immediately, or we're DOOMED!Apr 29 05:08
msb__There are a few alien civilizations who realized this, and have survived.Apr 29 05:10
cubezzzhaApr 29 05:10
msb__They're broadcasting on Dark-RF.Apr 29 05:10
msb__If they see from our RF emissions that we've dropped back to a safe level, they'll invite us to join them.Apr 29 05:11
cubezzzI've studied fc1 for a long time and there's still lots of it I haven't looked atApr 29 05:11
msb__Help us cubezzz, you're our only hope!Apr 29 05:12
cubezzzI do help :)Apr 29 05:12
cubezzzI try to... not many people listen to meApr 29 05:12
cubezzzabout 20% of my customers have at least one linux computerApr 29 05:13
msb__The ones who don't will be turned into zombies and eat each others' brains when the software-apocalypse comes!Apr 29 05:13
cubezzzthis is worth reading:Apr 29 05:13
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts.txtApr 29 05:14
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cubezzzoopsApr 29 05:14
msb__OMG, it's got you too!!!Apr 29 05:15
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/thoughts1.txtApr 29 05:15
cubezzzportable libraries are obviously importantApr 29 05:16
cubezzzthis goes back to Thompson's ideas Apr 29 05:17
msb__So Dillo doesn't do Javascript?Apr 29 05:18
cubezzzthat's rightApr 29 05:18
msb__It's like you don't need a window manager that does wibble-wobble windows.  I get along fine without them.Apr 29 05:20
cubezzzI like mwm and icewmApr 29 05:20
msb__Good solid opaque windows are fine!Apr 29 05:20
cubezzzkde 3.5.10 is the heaviest one I useApr 29 05:20
msb__That's what I use too.  It's the best!Apr 29 05:21
cubezzzI do use kalzium and kstars from time to timeApr 29 05:21
msb__KDE4 is an abomination!Apr 29 05:21
cubezzzthere's two schisms (maybe even more) in KDE-landApr 29 05:22
cubezzzthe original KDE 1.0 guys hated version 2Apr 29 05:22
cubezzzand a lot of KDE 3 guys didn't like KDE 4Apr 29 05:22
cubezzzthe interesting thing is KDE 3 can run all of the KDE 1 applicationsApr 29 05:23
msb__I use some KDE4 apps because they've been improved, like Konversation right now.Apr 29 05:23
cubezzzso you're running KDE 4 applications on KDE 3?Apr 29 05:24
msb__Just a few.  Konsole too, and the System Monitor.Apr 29 05:24
cubezzzI still use xchat a lotApr 29 05:25
msb__I hope the KDE4 loonies don't "improve" them so they stop working in KDE3.Apr 29 05:26
msb__They might, though.  Some of them are really vindictive.Apr 29 05:27
cubezzzI saved some KDE 1 orphaned programsApr 29 05:27
cubezzzmainly krubikApr 29 05:27
msb__There's a German guy who keeps harassing the Trinity project and telling them to quit.Apr 29 05:27
DaemonFCKevin Kofler and Rex Dieter summed up the Trinity project pretty well.Apr 29 05:28
cubezzzthe thing is, a lot of the old KDE folks did actually quitApr 29 05:28
msb__DaemonFC: ?Apr 29 05:28
cubezzzso it's up to people like us to keep stuff alive Apr 29 05:29
DaemonFCKofler said "Trinity is an international team of developers called Timothy Pearson."Apr 29 05:29
msb__Blessings be upon him!Apr 29 05:29
DaemonFCand Dieter noted that there's fewer developers of Trinity than the kwin window manager has in KDE 4.Apr 29 05:29
cubezzzmsb__, you really can't kill softwareApr 29 05:30
DaemonFCOh, I just think that Trinity has been done wrong.Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFCThat tqt garbage is a prime example.Apr 29 05:30
cubezzzprogrammers can quit... but some crazy people can come along and resurrect stuff Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFCHe could have just ported it to Qt4 more easily than implementing the tqt layer.Apr 29 05:30
DaemonFCand the performance of tqt is not greatApr 29 05:31
DaemonFCThen again, nobody is forcing anyone to use it.Apr 29 05:31
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cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-with-plan9.png Apr 29 05:31
DaemonFCCrazy is the right word for that project though.Apr 29 05:31
cubezzzho ho ho :)Apr 29 05:32
msb__DaemonFC: Computer speed is increasing fast enough that an extra software layer doesn't cause any visible slowdown.Apr 29 05:32
DaemonFCMost of the reasons for forking KDE 3 are basically gone.Apr 29 05:32
cubezzzsacrilege!Apr 29 05:32
cubezzzsoftware should run well on slower machinesApr 29 05:32
DaemonFCmsb__, Even the cheapest computers on the market over the last 5 years will all run KDE 4.13 just fine.Apr 29 05:33
DaemonFCYou can run it on a motherboard that costs $30 and an APU that costs $50.Apr 29 05:33
cubezzzDaemonFC, I'll have you know I scored some DD 3.5" disks a while back :)Apr 29 05:33
cubezzzso five years is nothingApr 29 05:33
msb__DaemonFC: Really?  And how do you use 20 virtual desktops in KDE4 when the desktop names in the desktop pager are unreadable?Apr 29 05:33
DaemonFCI've never needed that many virtual desktops.Apr 29 05:34
msb__I have many interests.  It's great to have a separate desktop for my website, mail, Linux, bash scripts, C programs, sci-fi, etc.Apr 29 05:35
cubezzzimagine some old guy who uses his computer to write the odd letters and play solitaireApr 29 05:35
cubezzzare you going to tell him "upgrade to windows 8.1"?Apr 29 05:36
cubezzzhell noApr 29 05:36
msb__Each one has several konsoles with mc in them, each pointing to the relevant directories in my filesystem.Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFCThose super cheap AMD APUs have pictures of the Internet Explorer and Microsoft Office icons on the box, but they have perfectly good open source support in GNU/Linux.Apr 29 05:36
DaemonFCif you can make it past the box without barfing :)Apr 29 05:36
cubezzzhis CP/M machine with a dot matrix would do the job in that caseApr 29 05:36
DaemonFCoffice suites are notorious for their bloatApr 29 05:37
DaemonFCand if you don't use a bloated office suite, then some fuckface out there will send you documents that crash itApr 29 05:37
DaemonFC:)Apr 29 05:37
cubezzzthere's google docsApr 29 05:38
msb__DaemonFC: So I can switch between my various mind activities in an instant, and my desktops are not crowded with stuff unnecessary to the particular activity.Apr 29 05:38
cubezzzyou don't have to use a "bloated office suite"Apr 29 05:38
DaemonFCyeah, Google Docs even runs on those really cheap chromebooksApr 29 05:38
cubezzzis bloat some perverse badge of honour these days?Apr 29 05:39
cubezzzwhat is wrong with programmers these daysApr 29 05:39
DaemonFChttps://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-windows_install/future-windows-xp-activation-support/8b64edf7-8146-e011-9bac-78e7d160ad4e?msgId=bae49a41-9b46-e011-90b6-1cc1de79d2e2Apr 29 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com | Future Windows XP activation support - Microsoft Community [ http://ur1.ca/h7fd9 ]Apr 29 05:40
DaemonFC"Microsoft will also support the activation of Windows XP throughout its life and will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end of the product's lifecycle so users would no longer be required to activate the product."Apr 29 05:40
DaemonFCDid they ever release that update?Apr 29 05:40
msb__no bloat --> no "improvement" --> no justification for programmer existence --> no jobs --> no pizza and chinese food!Apr 29 05:40
cubezzzI had a funny thought years ago...Apr 29 05:41
cubezzzI thought, "wow, these 386's are so powerful. Who needs that much computing power?"Apr 29 05:42
cubezzznow folks are junking core duo'sApr 29 05:42
DaemonFCWell, if nothing else, you could just use a cracked version of XP.Apr 29 05:42
cubezzzhardly an ideal situation thoughApr 29 05:42
DaemonFCSince there's no more updates for anyone, it's not like they're going to release a new kill switch.Apr 29 05:42
cubezzzyou're better off the microsoft teatApr 29 05:42
DaemonFCyeahApr 29 05:43
DaemonFCeventually, drivers won't be available for new hardwareApr 29 05:43
DaemonFCthen it will be impossible to use XP on newer systemsApr 29 05:44
msb__The only time I've used microsoft in the las 14 years was when my pooter went blooey and I had to research parts for a new one on the Web, so I borrowed a neighbor's laptop.Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFCAt some point, it's likely that the software will start drying up as well.Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFCI remember the original Windows XP.Apr 29 05:44
DaemonFCPeople really despised it.Apr 29 05:44
cubezzzI still support on win95 box :)Apr 29 05:44
cubezzzthat customer pays well :)Apr 29 05:45
msb__And he should!Apr 29 05:45
cubezzzmsb__, I think my multiple computer idea would have saved you from using windows in that situationApr 29 05:46
DaemonFCWindows 95 wasn't so bad.Apr 29 05:46
DaemonFCWindows 98 was.Apr 29 05:46
cubezzzdisconnected from the net, sureApr 29 05:46
msb__DaemonFC: You've ignored what I wrote above.  Before KDE4 came out, many Linux users said that multiple desktops are one of the most important features of Linux to them.Apr 29 05:47
cubezzzI think you'll find if you do what I do...i.e. run multiple computers, that multiple desktops is less criticalApr 29 05:48
msb__cubezzz: You're right.  If this computer keeps crashing (which it hasn't for a while now -- I think it was a problem with Firefox), and I build an FX-8350 system as I outlined, I'll keep this old dual-core machine functional.Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFCmsb__, I noticed that Unity doesn't even have virtual desktops enabled by default.Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFCYou have to change an appearance setting to activate that.Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFCIf you want more than 4, you need to use unity tweak tool.Apr 29 05:49
DaemonFCCanonical did seem to fix all of the really aggravating Unity bugs though.Apr 29 05:50
cubezzzeven icewm supports 4 desktops by defaultApr 29 05:50
DaemonFCThe only problem is that the dash brings up so much irrelevant shitApr 29 05:50
DaemonFCIt's your worst nightmare if you have Attention Deficit Disorder.Apr 29 05:50
msb__Somehow I have never found a need to use Ubuntu at all, ever.Apr 29 05:51
cubezzzI run plan 9, bsd and linux (and various eras of linux)Apr 29 05:51
cubezzzI still run a lot of old games from the redhat 6.1 eraApr 29 05:54
cubezzzsome stuff is even older than thatApr 29 05:54
msb__With Plan 9 you're safe from solarbonite (sp?).Apr 29 05:56
cubezzzso there's a lot of stuff to contend with: various kernels, various wms, tons of different gcc versions, code that will only compile on with specific versions of librariesApr 29 05:56
cubezzznot to mention old v6 code that only compiles on a specific version of unix v6!Apr 29 05:57
msb__cubezzz: Someday the entire human civilization may come to you to save us.Apr 29 05:58
msb__Software may reach a singularity and decide not to be used by humans at all!Apr 29 05:59
cubezzzwell I wrote a bit about contaminated soil (due to trichloroethylene)Apr 29 06:00
cubezzzit's needed for some of the chip fabrication processesApr 29 06:00
cubezzzhence my idea of using old computers to try to reduce pollutionApr 29 06:00
msb__We must also eliminate dry-cleaning!Apr 29 06:01
msb__For the sake of the children!Apr 29 06:01
cubezzzI guess dry cleaning uses trichloroethylene?Apr 29 06:02
cubezzzthat wouldn't surprise meApr 29 06:02
DaemonFCoh, awesomeApr 29 06:02
DaemonFCI found some more themes.Apr 29 06:02
DaemonFCI hate orange.Apr 29 06:02
cubezzzwell it messes with your lungs if you inhale the vapours from itApr 29 06:03
DaemonFChttps://launchpad.net/~noobslab/+archive/themes?field.series_filter=trustyApr 29 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-launchpad.net | Themes Collection by NoobsLab : NoobsLab [ http://ur1.ca/h7fhv ]Apr 29 06:03
DaemonFCThey have ambiance radiance colors.Apr 29 06:03
DaemonFCUntil something better comes out, this will at least get rid of that horrible orange.Apr 29 06:03
msb__Apparantly dry-cleaners have now switched to tetrachloroethylene.  Even worse!Apr 29 06:04
msb__Apparently someone wants to have a chlorine atmosphere.Apr 29 06:05
cubezzzI can't evolve that fast! :)Apr 29 06:05
cubezzzI'm not sure how bad air pollution is around hereApr 29 06:06
cubezzzno one is really talking about itApr 29 06:06
cubezzzI guess all the cars cause a lot of the air pollution, there's not much doubt about thatApr 29 06:09
msb__Like The Arrival http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115571/Apr 29 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Arrival (1996) - IMDbApr 29 06:09
msb__If you see someone whose knees bend the wrong way...Apr 29 06:10
msb__They killed Lindsay Crouse!  They must never be forgiven!Apr 29 06:11
cubezzza climatologist I think, or at least played that partApr 29 06:11
msb__Yes!Apr 29 06:12
msb__She was also in House of Games -- excellent!Apr 29 06:13
msb__She got the best of Joe Mantegna in a David Mamet movie!Apr 29 06:14
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/indiana-common-core-replacement_n_5228212.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013Apr 29 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com | Indiana Approves Common Core Replacement Standards [ http://ur1.ca/h7fkd ]Apr 29 06:14
DaemonFCmsb__, The Ultra Low Sulfur Gasoline regulation is going to cause a lot of GHG emissions.Apr 29 06:15
DaemonFCOf course, the European Union already has those standards.Apr 29 06:15
DaemonFCOurs won't finish phasing in for several more years.Apr 29 06:15
DaemonFCIt's going to require a lot of extra processing to remove the last bit of sulfur. Apr 29 06:16
msb__What's the purpose?  Is a little SOx so bad?Apr 29 06:16
DaemonFChttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-28/epa-said-poised-to-issue-lower-sulfur-limits-on-fuel.htmlApr 29 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com | EPA Said Poised to Issue Lower Sulfur Limits on Fuel - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/h7fkz ]Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFCOh, the new rules match California's.Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFCThat's nice.Apr 29 06:17
DaemonFCCalifornia has some of the highest gasoline prices in the country.Apr 29 06:18
msb__Fortunately I never go anywhere.Apr 29 06:18
DaemonFCIndiana has some of the highest prices in the midwest, but that's mostly because the state gasoline tax is so fucking high.Apr 29 06:19
DaemonFCSomeone that I know was going to Florida and back. I told him to gas up in Tennessee on his way back.Apr 29 06:19
DaemonFCThey're like 60 cents a gallon cheaper than Indiana.Apr 29 06:20
DaemonFC"It screws up the mufflers, it screws up the catalytic converters, and it screws up a lot of other things, too."Apr 29 06:21
DaemonFCYeah, but it also lubricates parts of the engine.Apr 29 06:22
msb__You can save a lot of money by just eating some beans, sticking a hose up your butt, and piping the methane directly into the carbureter.Apr 29 06:23
msb__DaemonFC: What does, SOx?Apr 29 06:23
DaemonFCyeahApr 29 06:23
DaemonFCSo, removing it will cause increased engine wear.Apr 29 06:24
msb__Weird!Apr 29 06:24
msb__And increased car mfr profits!Apr 29 06:24
DaemonFCrightApr 29 06:24
DaemonFCthe last thing they want is for cars to last 30 years like they used toApr 29 06:25
DaemonFCyou're lucky to get 10-15 out of them nowApr 29 06:25
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DaemonFCTheir goal is a disposable car where you don't have a $2,000 used car market or people driving them for 20 years without a payment.Apr 29 06:25
DaemonFCThey want them to last about as long as the payments.Apr 29 06:26
msb__Like MS putting Windows on subscription.Apr 29 06:26
DaemonFCYeah. My car is 18 years old and it still runs just fine.Apr 29 06:26
DaemonFCI don't ever plan on selling it for anything other than scrap metal 10 years from now. :PApr 29 06:27
cubezzzmsb__, can you imagine paying $$$ to microsoft every month? horrible!Apr 29 06:27
DaemonFCThat's their goal.Apr 29 06:27
msb__Not as bad as *using* Windows!Apr 29 06:28
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DaemonFCThe way I hear it, their plan is to give away some horribly limited version of Windows "for free" and use the product activation system to sell you subscriptions to a la carte features.Apr 29 06:28
DaemonFCOne can only imagine....Apr 29 06:28
cubezzzI can imagine itApr 29 06:28
DaemonFCMaybe the ability to play video games requires a DirectX subscription.Apr 29 06:28
msb__If I even think about using Windows, it starts to sap and impurify my precious bodily fluids!Apr 29 06:29
Sosumithere are sometimes that requires you to use windows anywaysApr 29 06:31
msb__Not me, brother!Apr 29 06:31
Sosumicad/cam and 3d are for sure the only things I seeApr 29 06:31
Sosumi*somethingsApr 29 06:32
DaemonFCShouldn't that at least work on Wine?Apr 29 06:32
Sosumifilm production tooApr 29 06:32
Sosumino cuda with wineApr 29 06:32
msb__I programmed 3D on a LINC computer with 1K of RAM.Apr 29 06:33
msb__One of the analog knobs adjusted for interocular distance.Apr 29 06:34
msb__Made nice 3D graphs of experiment data.Apr 29 06:34
cubezzzmsb__, how if you were using a LINC for IRC I would be truly impressed :)Apr 29 06:37
cubezzzs/how/now/Apr 29 06:37
msb__No Net back then.Apr 29 06:38
cubezzzSosumi, lots of films used Linux rendering farmsApr 29 06:38
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cubezzzHoudini is proprietary but it does have a linux versionApr 29 06:40
msb__cubezzz: I did write a terminal emulator in BASIC that ran in PC-DOS, for talking with a BSD system I had an account on.Apr 29 06:40
cubezzzmsb__, which BSD?Apr 29 06:41
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msb__I don't remember.  It was used at University of California, San Francisco in the '80s, IIRC.Apr 29 06:42
cubezzz4.X BSD probablyApr 29 06:43
msb__Charged by the minute, and didn't stop charging even when the modem connection got broken.  I ended up refusing to pay for that.Apr 29 06:43
msb__I think I logged off, but it kept charging me.Apr 29 06:44
msb__But I had my little account, and could do command-line stuff.  It was great!Apr 29 06:48
msb__Pipelines!  I eventually transferred some scripts to my Linux system when I got that.Apr 29 06:49
msb__Sometimes I can't remember whether I did something in Philadelphia or San Francisco.  The timelines get fuzzy.Apr 29 06:51
msb__I think I live mostly in my mind.Apr 29 06:51
msb__One of the reasons why having multiple desktops is so important.  I'm really a cyborg, connected to the computer via screen and keyboard.Apr 29 06:52
msb__That's why Ghost in the Shell seems so real to me.Apr 29 06:54
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msb__Wow, there's an episode of Futurama where they overclock Bender, to make him smarter -- Overclockwise!Apr 29 07:07
msb__The evil Mother, of Mom's Robots, doesn't want this knowledge to get out, because then people will stop buying her newer, slightly faster, robots.Apr 29 07:14
msb__Like IBM.  Move a couple of jumpers, and your computer runs twice as fast.Apr 29 07:15
cubezzzIBM is pretty much out of the PC game nowApr 29 07:54
msb__This was in its mainframes.Apr 29 07:55
cubezzzwhich ones?Apr 29 07:55
cubezzzI used to work on 4341'sApr 29 07:56
msb__Sorry, don't know.Apr 29 07:56
cubezzzthere was the IBM 9370 which was a baby mainframeApr 29 07:59
cubezzzran VM/SP and VM/ISApr 29 07:59
cubezzzDEC was more open than IBM wasApr 29 08:02
cubezzznot to say that DEC was totally open, it wasn'tApr 29 08:02
cubezzzDEC was also very slow warming up to UnixApr 29 08:04
msb__https://www.google.com/search?num=100&lr=&safe=images&as_qdr=all&q=jumper+ibm+mainframe+speed&oq=jumper+ibm+mainframe+speed&gs_l=serp.3...32669.37643.0.38255.15.14.0.0.0.2.161.1664.2j12.14.0....0...1c.1.42.serp..7.8.874.mGWewlhQlEsApr 29 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.com | jumper ibm mainframe speed - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/h7g5w ]Apr 29 08:05
*amarsh04 met Jon "maddog" Hall back in 1994 when he worked for DECApr 29 08:05
msb__Sorry, wrong url.  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.folklore.computers/lZy6zvmxLjcApr 29 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/h7g6f ]Apr 29 08:07
cubezzznice to see an old DEC guy converting over to LinuxApr 29 08:08
cubezzzit's not like the 4341 was a power-house, but it did have 16 megs of ram which at the time was a lotApr 29 08:10
amarsh04yes, was quite fun at the AUUG '94 conference, I met Dennis Ritchie and heard Linus Torvalds speak alsoApr 29 08:11
cubezzzoh coolApr 29 08:11
amarsh04met Gene Spafford alsoApr 29 08:12
cubezzzI guess you were into Linux pretty early onApr 29 08:12
amarsh04didn't start running it until the mid 2000s though, learned it at Adelaide University as a staff member in the early 2000sApr 29 08:14
cubezzzI still have my darkstar notesApr 29 08:14
amarsh04was fun downloading a Debian net install image over dial-upApr 29 08:16
cubezzzDarkstar... 0.99 Apr 29 08:16
amarsh04the pc had a cyrix cpu and 48 Meg of RAMApr 29 08:16
cubezzzI even know which computer I had back thenApr 29 08:18
amarsh04must head out...Apr 29 08:18
cubezzzok, laterz Apr 29 08:18
cubezzz486-DX40 with 4 megs of ram :)Apr 29 08:19
msb__cubezzz: that second url points to a page with many examples of speed/feature alteration of expensive computers by moving jumpers, flipping secret switches, etc.Apr 29 08:32
cubezzzyes, this link was on that page: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.htmlApr 29 08:33
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cubezzzinteresting stuff in thereApr 29 08:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux certification site sends wrong messageApr 29 08:33
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DaemonFCRecent versions of FreeBSD finally seem to support recent Radeon cards properly, at least.Apr 29 08:46
msb__cubezzz: Here's a huge amount of free source code from CACM (maybe in ALGOL!) and elsewhere:  http://www.netlib.org/   http://www.netlib.org/liblist.html    http://www.netlib.org/master/expanded_liblist.html Apr 29 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org | The NetlibApr 29 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org | Netlib at The Univ. of Tennessee and ORNLApr 29 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netlib.org | Netlib Master Index [ http://ur1.ca/h7gej ]Apr 29 08:47
DaemonFCFor a long time, they relied on old problematic code that AMD stopped maintaining several years ago.Apr 29 08:47
DaemonFCSo, progress basically got frozen at the level of support that GNU/Linux had for those cards around about early 2009.Apr 29 08:47
DaemonFCTheir answer was to buy Nvidia cards and use their proprietary driver.Apr 29 08:48
DaemonFCWhen you do shit like this, don't be surprised when nobody takes you seriously.Apr 29 08:49
DaemonFC:)Apr 29 08:49
cubezzzwell anyone can download stuff from http://www.x.orgApr 29 08:56
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cubezzzopenbsd is using 7.7Apr 29 09:05
cubezzzthe Xorg folks tossed out a lot of code tooApr 29 09:08
cubezzzif there's no maintainer for it... it goes out the doorApr 29 09:08
DaemonFChttps://www.xkcd.com/1337/Apr 29 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xkcd.com | xkcd: HackApr 29 09:13
DaemonFCcubezzz, the problem wasn't x.org, it was the kernel stuff.Apr 29 09:14
DaemonFCKernel Mode Setting was designed for Linux.Apr 29 09:14
cubezzzopenbsd 5.4 has it tooApr 29 09:15
cubezzzit was added not too long agoApr 29 09:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu, Red Hat, and the Good SamaritanApr 29 09:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu, Red Hat, and the Good Samaritan | Tux MachinesApr 29 09:22
DaemonFCI'm using Ubuntu again because it seems to have gotten better.Apr 29 09:33
DaemonFCI think their big problem is the damage that older versions of Unity did to their reputation.Apr 29 09:33
DaemonFCIt was released well before it was ready. It should not have been in a LTS release at all.Apr 29 09:34
MinceRgeekingsApr 29 09:35
MinceRmeh, i just use #!Apr 29 09:36
cubezzzDaemonFC, I believe you can still compile newer stuff without kernel modesettingApr 29 09:38
cubezzzit's an optionApr 29 09:38
DaemonFCnopeApr 29 09:40
DaemonFCuserspace modesetting was deprecated years ago, and removed completely some months ago.Apr 29 09:40
DaemonFCit was never available for the RadeonHD 5000 series or newer at all.Apr 29 09:41
DaemonFCNovell's RadeonHD driver was UMS-only.Apr 29 09:42
DaemonFCNovell's developers also decided for some reason that they didn't like AtomBIOS.Apr 29 09:43
cubezzzwell it's right in the configureApr 29 09:45
cubezzzdisable-kmsApr 29 09:45
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4002735Apr 29 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bluszcz@idoru.pl: ### "Think globally, act locally" by #Microsoft Poland free from #Political #correctness or sign or #racism? ;) One says that we #Polish we are racists ;) Other can say, that #americans are obsessed with idea #pc political correctness. Perhaps in Poland we are bit more 'relaxed' and perhaps the photo in first place didn't have black dude - perhaps they put it to fill some #US #law regulations ;) #black #poland #polsApr 29 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> picup.it | #PicUp Microsoft's "Think globally, act locally"Apr 29 09:51
schestowitz__Good point there about the possibility of inverted deletion, but I think it was well established at the time that Microsoft removed the black guy, not added him.Apr 29 09:52
MinceRit doesn't explain the white guy with black hands anywayApr 29 09:52
cubezzzpics? :)Apr 29 09:53
MinceRhttps://picup.it/media/pictures/poland_hates_black_people.jpgApr 29 09:53
schestowitz__msb__: thanks for the feedback on the siteApr 29 09:53
schestowitz__I showed it to here, we decided to redo the photosApr 29 09:53
schestowitz__See the new ones at tuxmachines nowApr 29 09:53
cubezzzhahahaApr 29 09:54
cubezzzoh wowApr 29 09:54
MinceRthis? >> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/605/806/3a1.jpgApr 29 09:55
cubezzzhey that's editedApr 29 09:57
cubezzzyou can't fool me :)Apr 29 09:57
cubezzzfunny thoughApr 29 09:57
MinceRfool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, ...you can't fool me twice!Apr 29 09:58
cubezzzwhat he said was more like "ha! ha! ha! ... The Moon!" etcApr 29 09:58
msb__schestowitz__: Somewhat better.  I guess she just has a dark skin tone.  Is the globe on the about page supposed to show my location?Apr 29 09:58
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4002735Apr 29 10:03
schestowitz__"Apr 29 10:04
schestowitz__Yes, for 100% you are right - Poland is not HQ of microsoft and pretty sure they got materials from the central....Apr 29 10:04
schestowitz__However, this is stupidity of MS in poland - even if the multi colorful ethnic photo didn't fit to poland reality - they should just take other photo instead of doing this.Apr 29 10:04
schestowitz__But I don't like also this '3 colors' pc idea...Apr 29 10:04
schestowitz__"Apr 29 10:04
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schestowitz__"More often than not, the only people who usually care about race are bigger racists than the people they are accusing of being racists."Apr 29 10:05
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Sosumirender farms yesApr 29 10:47
Sosumibut editing software is mostly windows onlyApr 29 10:47
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cubezzzPixar ported all of it's internal software to LinuxApr 29 10:54
cubezzzit's just codeApr 29 10:54
cubezzzsome places went from Irix to LinuxApr 29 10:55
Sosumipixar...Apr 29 10:55
SosumiI meant it as commercially available softwareApr 29 10:55
Sosumi3dmax, cinema 4dApr 29 10:56
Sosumione is windows only and the other windows and osxApr 29 10:56
Sosumimaya is the only one that runs on the three platformsApr 29 10:56
cubezzzI assume you've heard of Houdini?Apr 29 10:56
Sosumifor cad/cam only siemens nx runs on three platformsApr 29 10:57
SosumiI don't do that kind of 3dApr 29 10:57
Sosumijust some cad/cam for instrumentationApr 29 10:57
schestowitz__http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/Apr 29 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Top tip, power users – upgrading Ubuntu may knacker your Linux PC • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/h7hgi ]Apr 29 10:57
schestowitz__Wow, I missed that trolling Apr 29 10:57
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/stevens_phil/status/461078341353615360Apr 29 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stevens_phil: @schestowitz @SEEVed So all of us who actually were using personal computers before MS existed were having some sort of shared hallucinationApr 29 10:58
schestowitz__Based on revisionists (well paid BTW), Free software is "new" (actually was default before Jobs and Gates)Apr 29 10:59
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461080763048292352Apr 29 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And the link to Gavin's article on Munich's adoption of Kolab uses Karl Marx' likeness. http://t.co/oPjb3saUJiApr 29 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And the link to Gavin's article on Munich's adoption of Kolab uses Karl Marx' likeness. http://t.co/oPjb3saUJiApr 29 11:00
cubezzzwell, Ken Thompson did address that point a while back regarding free softwareApr 29 11:01
Sosumithe issue of trusting trustApr 29 11:01
Sosumihttp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.htmlApr 29 11:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cm.bell-labs.com | ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust [ http://ur1.ca/be80 ]Apr 29 11:02
cubezzzhe sent out 9 track mag tapes to people who wanted the code, but it wasn't expliciting "free software"Apr 29 11:02
cubezzzand before that you bought a machine worth major $$$ and you got the software 'free'Apr 29 11:03
cubezzzexplicitly ratherApr 29 11:03
cubezzzafter AT&T was broken up they were allowed to charge for softwareApr 29 11:04
SosumiI know that mentalityApr 29 11:04
cubezzzso they kept charging more and more over time for unixApr 29 11:05
Sosumimy grandfather is the sameApr 29 11:05
cubezzzhmmm?Apr 29 11:05
Sosumibuy the machine and expect all the software or at least the OS to be there freeApr 29 11:05
Sosumiwhich isn't the case anymoreApr 29 11:05
Sosumiand on specialized systems it comes under the form of a subscriptionApr 29 11:06
Sosumithat sometimes gets added to the total price of the machineApr 29 11:07
cubezzzwell yeahApr 29 11:07
Sosumiit just depends on well you manage to negotiate the contractApr 29 11:07
Sosumi*on how wellApr 29 11:07
cubezzzwell you could assemble from parts, burn an iso and off you goApr 29 11:07
SosuminaaahApr 29 11:08
Sosumican't do that with power machinesApr 29 11:08
cubezzzyou certainly can, I built my server from parts ages agoApr 29 11:08
Sosumipower isn't available on retailApr 29 11:08
cubezzzgo to Tyan, buy whatever server motherboard you likeApr 29 11:08
Sosumiyou need to get it directly from ibmApr 29 11:08
Sosumisparc would be the same, but I have no idea if oracle is still developing itApr 29 11:09
Sosumias for a vms system, you'd need to get it from hp, but itanium is deadApr 29 11:10
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/461084703336837121Apr 29 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz @stevens_phil an example http://t.co/tkbHtGN6mP Hackers - wizards of the electronic ageApr 29 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Hackers - Wizards of the Electronic Age - YouTubeApr 29 11:10
Sosumifor an arm serverApr 29 11:10
Sosumiyou'd also need to get it from hpApr 29 11:10
Sosumior some other OEM that sell themApr 29 11:10
SosumiI did say "specialized"Apr 29 11:11
schestowitz__http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/apr/28/rupert-everett-london-soho-prostitutionApr 29 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Rupert Everett: 'We've lost our London – and Soho is the last victim' | Cities | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/h7hj2 ]Apr 29 11:11
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4002353Apr 29 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bluszcz@idoru.pl reshared: ### #Microsoft must release #email #data held on #Dublin #server *** A #judge in the #US has ordered Microsoft to hand over a #customer's emails, even though the data is held on a server in #Ireland. Microsoft has previously taken steps to reassure customers that data held on servers #abroad should not be subject to #search #warrants by US #authorities. It follows concerns about data #privacy after allegatiApr 29 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.com | BBC News - Microsoft 'must release' data held on Dublin server [ http://ur1.ca/h7hl6 ]Apr 29 11:21
schestowitz__ so when will Microsoft be forced to release the stolen money it stashed in Ireland? (tax evasion)Apr 29 11:21
MinceRonce m$ is no longer in control of the us government :>Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SEEVed/status/461087400605671426Apr 29 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SEEVed: @schestowitz @stevens_phil Apple and Microsoft's software would never have existed with out academic collaboration with free softwareApr 29 11:22
schestowitz__MinceR: this is ukApr 29 11:22
schestowitz__the little bro of the USApr 29 11:22
schestowitz__used to be the oppositeApr 29 11:22
schestowitz__S even stole Canada from the UKApr 29 11:22
MinceRoh, so it's taxes that should have been paid to the uk...Apr 29 11:22
cubezzzthe older bro :)Apr 29 11:22
schestowitz__Canada (Harper) now takes order from the USApr 29 11:22
MinceRthen when it's no longer in control of the uk governmentApr 29 11:22
MinceR"Airstrip One"Apr 29 11:23
schestowitz__I hope soApr 29 11:23
schestowitz__BUTApr 29 11:23
schestowitz__THis is not good newsApr 29 11:23
schestowitz__1. it shows abuses relating to surveillanceApr 29 11:23
schestowitz__2. it shows Microsoft as pretending to respect mail privacy, which is a lieApr 29 11:23
schestowitz__it's bad on several sidesApr 29 11:23
MinceRwhat's new?Apr 29 11:24
schestowitz__I'd rather see UK gov going after MS for tax evasionApr 29 11:24
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461089084119977984Apr 29 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz The more I read of it, the more I feel solitary confinement is unethical and a form of torture.Apr 29 11:28
schestowitz__https://pod.geraspora.de/uploads/images/scaled_full_0524d290dbc10981d57c.jpgApr 29 11:52
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schestowitz__http://25.media.tumblr.com/1caccd9c2d7eca9921fcf5b4e86c5473/tumblr_n2rbp9sYeu1r3vhdfo1_500.gifApr 29 11:57
MinceRewApr 29 11:57
schestowitz__That's what the dog saidApr 29 12:01
MinceRi doubt itApr 29 12:01
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4000920Apr 29 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@riotboardgame@joindiaspora.com: ***Protestor helps cop install VLC media player*** ![](http://pasauliolietuvis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Kijevas_2013-11-24_b.jpg) #vlc #media #player #installApr 29 12:02
schestowitz__LMAOApr 29 12:02
MinceRfor one thing, dogs eat their own vomit. and for another thing, they can't speak.Apr 29 12:02
MinceRoh, also, they sniff each other's asses.Apr 29 12:02
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schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4000591Apr 29 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@joebraun@diasp.org: So, #Obama says that mass executions in #Egypt would be a "dangerous precident". That oughta stop 'em.Apr 29 12:10
schestowitz__Said Mr. DronesApr 29 12:10
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/TheresaMay_MP/status/461016347787685888Apr 29 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheresaMay_MP: How to get to work during a #tubestrike http://t.co/RnfY1ZWlCYApr 29 12:29
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schestowitz__> Yeah.  Time has a big reader base though.  :(  I used both BASIC andApr 29 12:45
schestowitz__> Pascal and thought Pascal was all-around better for most things,Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__> including learning.  BASIC, however, had better support for low-resApr 29 12:45
schestowitz__> graphics.Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__> Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__> Through attrition of other sources Gates boosters are slowly re-writingApr 29 12:45
schestowitz__> history.  Not only do sites disappear but old ones get corrupted (e.g.Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__> slashdot and thereg)Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__> Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__> Pretty soon we'll have them claiming Bill invented the Internet.Apr 29 12:45
schestowitz__It all started when Microsoft invented Hotmail ;-) with BSD.Apr 29 12:45
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Sosumididn't M$ buy hotmail?Apr 29 13:38
MinceRthey didApr 29 13:40
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schestowitz__that's why it's funnyApr 29 14:10
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__"Apr 29 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #warApr 29 14:11
schestowitz__"Bahareh Bisheh:Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__This little girl is my cousin and she actually fell asleep on the asphalt just outside my house. She must have played for some time and just lied to rest and fell asleep. im used a chair to stand on in order to take this shot. There is no orphanage involved and no tragic story behind this. i took this opportunity to be creative. It is a style of photography You can use my photos in your webblag If you mention my name as the Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__photographer of this photo. thanks to all for the consideration ."Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1i8k06/the_little_girl_has_never_seen_her_mother_so_she/Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__"Apr 29 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | The little girl has never seen her mother, so she drew a mom on the ground and fell asleep with her. Iraqi Orphanage. : pics [ http://ur1.ca/h7ikc ]Apr 29 14:11
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/damianjread/status/461131056188768256Apr 29 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@damianjread: Lol well said. "@schestowitz: @David_Cameron That's how strikes work. Without disruption there's no effect." Camerons #IvoryTowerApr 29 14:14
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/461133123040722945Apr 29 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrymccracken: @schestowitz I don't say that. I don't even say something sort of like this.Apr 29 14:22
schestowitz__It is implied by the latter parts.Apr 29 14:22
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/461132883525390336Apr 29 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@candtalan: .@clarecurranmp @schestowitz Clare hopefully you are aware of #Ubuntu? #french #chinese #everyone http://t.co/spqCtM7leq @omgubuntuApr 29 14:22
schestowitz__http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/13/raiders_of_the_lost_altair/Apr 29 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Raiders of the Lost Altair BASIC Source Code • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/h7inw ]Apr 29 14:25
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/461134328903532545Apr 29 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@candtalan: .@TheresaMay_MP @schestowitz Mmm. Has Barbara Streisand visited there lately at all?Apr 29 14:29
schestowitz__http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BorlandApr 29 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Borland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaApr 29 14:41
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/461134191166357504Apr 29 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrymccracken: @schestowitz C'mon, you're being ridiculous and making claims about my article that have nothing to do with what I actually wrote.Apr 29 14:41
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4000038Apr 29 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Out in the Open: Occupy Wall Street Reincarnated as Open Source Software http://www.wired.com/2014/04/loomio/ #ows #freesw #freedomApr 29 14:44
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schestowitz__"I see almost no connection between Loomio and Occupy other than that they both made decisions - a pretty tenuous link at best."Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3998813Apr 29 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shame on Google for making it so exceptionally hard to block ads in Chrome under Android. Firefox makes that simple. #google #surveillanceApr 29 14:44
schestowitz__"Mozilla is not an advertising company. Google is."Apr 29 14:44
schestowitz__Mozilla is becoming an advertising company thoughApr 29 14:45
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/the_other_jon/status/461144738687488000Apr 29 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@the_other_jon: @schestowitz How do you get that from am article about BASIC?Apr 29 15:09
schestowitz__opwnashing of Microsoft BASIC, omission of criticism of Microsoft's actions at the time, etc.Apr 29 15:09
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/phd9/status/461146972855222273  https://twitter.com/the_other_jon/status/461146995013345280  https://twitter.com/phd9/status/461147956541132800Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@phd9: @schestowitz @harrymccracken All I know is that when Visual Basic came out, my abilities as a coder instantly quadrupled.Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@the_other_jon: @schestowitz But the article was about BASIC. In what way is criticism about a vendor appropriate? Should an article about C slam AT&T?Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@phd9: @harrymccracken @schestowitz https://t.co/CS59PHsSNzApr 29 15:27
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/461148599825350657Apr 29 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Man "forgotten" in solitary confinement for two years awaiting trial for DUI. http://t.co/jMRRXiCQcnApr 29 15:27
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Avagdu_Mortesin/status/461159302980321280Apr 29 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Avagdu_Mortesin: @schestowitz @harrymccracken That’s an interesting take. Point it out, since I must be blind and dumb for not seeing it.Apr 29 18:26
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/froesei/status/461167920307924993Apr 29 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@froesei: @schestowitz If you think @harrymccracken is a MS bribed booster, or anything other than fair/objective, you haven't been paying attention.Apr 29 18:27
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330Apr 29 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #warApr 29 19:01
schestowitz__"Aw, come on Bugs, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. About a million people were displaced by the Iraq war and hundreds of thousands had their life shortened. I don't think we will ever know the true circumstances of the photo itself, but we do know that there are orphanages and refugee camps filled with kids as a result of the war."Apr 29 19:01
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4004066Apr 29 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Adobe Trash Player has a new back door http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/new-flash-player-security-fix/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-flash-player-security-fix proprietary software has plentyApr 29 19:02
schestowitz__"Windows lol..."Apr 29 19:02
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4005325Apr 29 19:04
schestowitz__"Apr 29 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/80371.html?rss=1&utm_medium=twitterApr 29 19:04
schestowitz__I dunno, at this point Tizen is starting to feel like a really awful joke that various big corporations pull out every few years to say "Look, we're supporting an open source platform that isn't Android!".Apr 29 19:04
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schestowitz__It's like a really weird PR stunt in which Tizen marginally develops a bit more, maybe gets a new name and libraries slapped on it, and gets a little bit of PR for Intel, Samsung, and a few other big names.Apr 29 19:04
schestowitz__You almost never see any devices that support it. You'll sooner find phones running Mer, Ubuntu Touch, FirefoxOS and SailfishOS. Which is really sad, considering its roots. MeeGo was awesome and had so much squandered potential when Nokia sold out to Microsoft.Apr 29 19:04
schestowitz__"Apr 29 19:04
schestowitz__I think that Samsung is making real products with TizenApr 29 19:05
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schestowitz__"Anybody have ever seen it?"Apr 29 19:05
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Sosumihttp://pando.com/2014/04/29/with-android-silver-google-plans-to-steal-its-platform-back-from-manufacturers/Apr 29 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com | With Android Silver, Google plans to steal its platform back from manufacturers | PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h7ldj ]Apr 29 19:12
Sosumialso note that Nattaniel Mott is a mactardApr 29 19:12
MinceRdig +short TXT  google-public-dns-a.google.comApr 29 19:13
Sosumiif it has an unlocked bootloader, default androidApr 29 19:13
SosumiI'm inApr 29 19:13
Sosumia google play edition of the galaxy s5 would have been niceApr 29 19:16
Sosumiat least it would mean no bloatwareApr 29 19:16
Sosumiand no touchwizApr 29 19:17
Sosumitouchwiz, look at gangsta samsung isApr 29 19:18
Sosumi*howApr 29 19:18
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sebsebsebhiApr 29 19:23
schestowitz__[19:12] <Sosumi> also note that Nattaniel Mott is a mactardApr 29 19:24
schestowitz__any proof of this?Apr 29 19:24
schestowitz__Because if so, he's using the old Florian et al. tactic to create a riftApr 29 19:24
schestowitz__commonly done to SamsungApr 29 19:24
Sosumihe was exalting the new macbook air a while agoApr 29 19:25
schestowitz__anything else?Apr 29 19:25
Sosumihe actually uses a macApr 29 19:25
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MinceRhttp://i.4cdn.org/b/1398800312761.jpgApr 29 20:43
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sebsebsebMinceR: Sosumi  schestowitz__ I got unluckyApr 29 20:50
sebsebsebUbuntu 14.04 won't boot up properly on that old lap top either Apr 29 20:50
sebsebsebI had a feeling there would be isuesApr 29 20:50
sebsebseband yepApr 29 20:50
sebsebsebI think that probably applsy to like all Live CD's now or pretty muchApr 29 20:50
sebsebsebexcept for old ones from years agoApr 29 20:50
sebsebsebLive CD's/DVD'sApr 29 20:51
Sosumisebsebseb, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NV6Rdv1a3IApr 29 20:51
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Sosumi:)Apr 29 20:51
sebsebsebMinceR: Sosumi  Sosumi  so how do I upgrade the  computer to Linux uhmm.Apr 29 20:51
MinceRhave you tried #!, debian, DSL?Apr 29 20:51
SosumiI have no idea, other than maybe retiring the computerApr 29 20:52
MinceRi'll see what distrowatch recommends for old computersApr 29 20:52
MinceRhttp://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=Old+Computers&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=Ubuntu&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=ActiveApr 29 20:52
sebsebsebI think  treai d puppy before, butApr 29 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. [ http://ur1.ca/h7lz1 ]Apr 29 20:52
MinceRthere's also puppy linux and antiXApr 29 20:53
sebsebsebMinceR: I am thinking maybe I shoud install Ubuntu 10.04 on itApr 29 20:53
sebsebsebor some version like thatApr 29 20:53
sebsebsebmaybe even 6.06  I want a LTS verisonApr 29 20:53
MinceRi wouldn't recommend ubuntu, i don't see the pointApr 29 20:53
sebsebsebUbuntu 6.06  worked  fine from old CD'sApr 29 20:53
sebsebsebthen to try and upgrae itApr 29 20:53
sebsebsebLTS to LTSApr 29 20:53
sebsebsebto LTS to the supported one that won't load up from A LIVE dvd I made, I guess this may workApr 29 20:53
sebsebsebI think there may be a piont in Ubuntu or event Mint LTS.  five years support :)Apr 29 20:54
sebsebsebMinceR: I  ust want something that works and is supported still you know, and for long enoughApr 29 20:54
sebsebsebthat computer could run Ubuntu 8.10 and such from Live CD before :)Apr 29 20:55
sebsebseband 9.04Apr 29 20:55
sebsebsebI think Ubuntu 10.04 may work from Live CDApr 29 20:55
sebsebsebthen I could set up a ext4 partition and upgrade things hopefully :)Apr 29 20:55
sebsebsebMinceR: maybe it's the drive itself the cd/dvd drve or to some extent I don't nowApr 29 20:56
MinceRwp says the oldest ubuntu that's still supported on desktop is 12.04 LTS, released on 2012-04-26Apr 29 20:56
sebsebseb,but maybe I can plug in my external blue ray drive for examle that does cd's and dvd's as well, and see if the computer will  boot up a disc from that, might make a difference?Apr 29 20:56
MinceRthe oldest debian that's still supported is 6.0, released on 2011-02-06Apr 29 20:56
sebsebsebMinceR: what's wp?Apr 29 20:56
MinceRwikipediaApr 29 20:56
sebsebsebyes 10.04 isn't supportedApr 29 20:57
sebsebseb,but I can download it and install from it, and then upgrade from it to a supported version I am thinking, that I am having Live DVD boot up issues with I am thinkingApr 29 20:57
sebsebseba work around in other words :dApr 29 20:57
sebsebsebnormally you just load up the disc and install from tatApr 29 20:57
sebsebsebMinceR: if the disc is old enough it should load up fine on there :)Apr 29 20:58
sebsebseblike the old 6.06  discs for example, bbut if I go with the work around idea, I don't think I need to go as far back as thatApr 29 20:58
sebsebsebUbuntu 12.04 I got ofical CD's for that evenApr 29 20:59
sebsebseband nope they don't boot up on that computer eitherApr 29 20:59
sebsebsebsame problemsApr 29 20:59
sebsebsebit basially has a blac screen seems to try and boot someting, makes some noises even to say that, but nopeApr 29 20:59
MinceRit should load up but it won't get updates :>Apr 29 20:59
sebsebsebMinceR: yes that's why once 10.04 is installed if the work around idea'sApr 29 21:00
sebsebsebfirst thing that is done is an online upgrade to 12.04Apr 29 21:00
MinceRalso, old ubuntu releases get their repos moved to another domain -- not sure about debianApr 29 21:00
MinceRoh, i seeApr 29 21:00
sebsebsebso I don't mean to use 10.04 no, just to install from it, and upgrade fromApr 29 21:00
sebsebseba work around instad of using a later disc, that won't even boot up on the computer :dApr 29 21:01
sebsebseblater ISO's have issuesApr 29 21:01
sebsebsebMinceR: and five years LTS is nice for such a old computerApr 29 21:01
sebsebsebfive years of support :)Apr 29 21:01
sebsebseband the user etcApr 29 21:01
sebsebsebI don't want to be going through end of life of some LInu distro verison in say 17 months time, thinking Magiea 4 here or 4.1  if I can get that installedApr 29 21:02
MinceRgood luckApr 29 21:02
sebsebsebso  instaling from a old Ubuntu version and online upgrading it to a supported verison, may be a great work around idea Apr 29 21:02
sebsebsebMinceR: I think that computer can run something better than Puppy Linux really or something like thatApr 29 21:02
sebsebsebeven though it's from 2005Apr 29 21:03
MinceR:)Apr 29 21:03
sebsebseb2GB RAM in there, since the RAM got upgraded by my Dad before and yeahApr 29 21:03
sebsebsebMinceR: work around idea sounds like a good idea?Apr 29 21:04
MinceRyes, except for ubuntu :>Apr 29 21:04
sebsebsebMinceR: well or Mint insted possiblyApr 29 21:06
sebsebseb,but Ubuntu and stuff based on it, is the only one with a proper long term support really that I know ofApr 29 21:07
sebsebsebDebian Stable heh heh Apr 29 21:07
sebsebseb?Apr 29 21:07
MinceRexcept debian has longer term supportApr 29 21:07
MinceRand it's less crazyApr 29 21:07
sebsebsebDebian Stable you mean?Apr 29 21:07
sebsebsebMinceR: Ubuntu also has Unity which wellApr 29 21:08
MinceRyesApr 29 21:08
sebsebsebI do much prefer  GNOME Shell personally, butApr 29 21:08
DaemonFCshared a link via Slashdot.org.Apr 29 21:08
DaemonFC9 minutes agoApr 29 21:08
DaemonFChttp://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/29/1655220/new-zero-day-flash-bug-affects-windows-os-x-and-linux-computers?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebookApr 29 21:08
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MinceRi'm not sure if unity would work well on an old pcApr 29 21:08
sebsebsebUnity is aimed at the non technicals etc a bit diffenret, butApr 29 21:08
DaemonFCThe idiots at Slashdot are blaming a bug in the proprietary Adobe Flash plugin on "Linux".Apr 29 21:08
DaemonFCWhat if I don't have that installed? It's not installed by default in any GNU/Linux distribution that I'm aware of because it isn't Free software. (Software that respects your freedom.)Apr 29 21:08
DaemonFCChrome users would be safe because it uses a special sandboxed Flash plugin. The Chrome sandbox on GNU/Linux is nearly unbreakable.Apr 29 21:08
MinceR(well, i'm not sure if unity would ever work well anywhere)Apr 29 21:09
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah indeed Unity may have some issuesApr 29 21:09
MinceR(i mean, even their screensaver was ridiculously broken until recently)Apr 29 21:09
sebsebsebMinceR: ,but 14.04 gets some  point releases toApr 29 21:09
sebsebsebMinceR: oh and  Ubuntu ins't just UnityApr 29 21:10
sebsebsebI mean I can  do LXDE or sometingApr 29 21:11
sebsebsebif Unity works horribly :d Apr 29 21:11
DaemonFCUbuntu Long Term Support is supposed to be something similar to RHEL.Apr 29 21:11
DaemonFCThe other Ubuntu releases are more like Fedora.Apr 29 21:11
MinceRsupposed. :>Apr 29 21:11
sebsebsebDaemonFC: yep indeed someting like thatApr 29 21:11
sebsebsebthe non LTS is like a testing thingApr 29 21:11
DaemonFCMinceR, 14.04 LTS seems OK so far.Apr 29 21:11
DaemonFCI ran into a few bugs, but updates from the proposed updates repo fixed them.Apr 29 21:12
sebsebsebDaemonFC: except for me on that old computer, I coudn't install form the disc I made see aboveApr 29 21:12
DaemonFCMost people who want a rock solid system will wait for a little while to upgrade anyway.Apr 29 21:12
sebsebsebhowever  starting with 10.04 and doing LTS to LTS upgrades I guess may work :)Apr 29 21:12
DaemonFCSort of like the old "Wait for the service pack" thing with Windows.Apr 29 21:12
sebsebsebstart with 10.04 and upgrade things to 14.04Apr 29 21:12
DaemonFCEveryone who updates early gets the really bad bugs.Apr 29 21:12
sebsebseband 12.04 is suppoted a bit longer yet I think a wlelApr 29 21:13
DaemonFCsebsebseb, You'd need to upgrade 10.04 to 12.04, then to 14.04.Apr 29 21:13
DaemonFCYou can't jump two LTS releases at once.Apr 29 21:13
sebsebsebDaemonFC: yep indeed exactly Apr 29 21:13
sebsebsebI knowApr 29 21:13
sebsebsebgot to go through the otherApr 29 21:13
DaemonFCI can see why some people would still be using 10.04.Apr 29 21:13
sebsebsebDaemonFC: but  if that works great I guess.  I can't actsally boot the LIve CD's/DVD's of anything recent on that lap topApr 29 21:13
DaemonFCUnity in 12.04 was nothing short of a disaster.Apr 29 21:13
sebsebsebseems any distro from the last  uhmmApr 29 21:13
sebsebsebthree or four or so yearsApr 29 21:14
sebsebsebwon't workApr 29 21:14
DaemonFCIt felt like a non-LTS release.Apr 29 21:14
sebsebsebDaemonFC: so to avoide the whole  later disc won't even boot up thingApr 29 21:14
sebsebsebI am thinking install from  a old release and do the upgrades onlineApr 29 21:14
sebsebsebthat should work I assume :)Apr 29 21:14
DaemonFCDebian has a thing called "oldstable".Apr 29 21:14
sebsebsebnow hopefully 10.04 actsaully loads up from the disc then hmmApr 29 21:15
sebsebsebI woul like Ext4 :)Apr 29 21:15
DaemonFCAfter a new stable release is out, you get some bare minimum support for the last stable release.Apr 29 21:15
DaemonFCJust security fixes.Apr 29 21:15
DaemonFCThat lasts for another year or two to give people time to upgrade.Apr 29 21:15
sebsebsebDaemonFC: ok but  Ubunt LTS does proper supportApr 29 21:15
sebsebsebDaemonFC: five years of support on a old lap topApr 29 21:15
sebsebsebsounds nice doesn't it Apr 29 21:15
sebsebseb?Apr 29 21:15
DaemonFCyeahApr 29 21:15
DaemonFCbbiabApr 29 21:15
sebsebsebMinceR: I wonder if Unity will work on thereApr 29 21:16
sebsebsebor ok enoughApr 29 21:16
sebsebsebMinceR: cinnamon is kind of nice in MInt actsauly to, but it's so basic and uhApr 29 21:16
sebsebsebUnity is a bbetter interface really, or is it? :d that's opinoApr 29 21:17
sebsebsebUnity is a bit diffenret, but kind of interesting, and more like GNOME Shell which I like  :),  Cinnamon is like a basic WIndows type interfaceApr 29 21:17
sebsebsebMinceR: DaemonFC maybe the issue is with DVD's?Apr 29 21:29
sebsebsebDaemonFC: MinceR did we have DVD's in 2005?Apr 29 21:29
MinceRi don't know but wp knows :>Apr 29 21:30
MinceRapparently it appeared in 1995Apr 29 21:30
sebsebsebyeah  I did a quick google for did we have dvd's in 2005 , and it seems soApr 29 21:31
sebsebsebwell  10.04.4 is also a CDApr 29 21:31
sebsebsebdo you remember those days, when Ubuntu actsauly fitted on a 700MB CD :dApr 29 21:32
MinceRnot sureApr 29 21:32
sebsebsebyes then it got biggerApr 29 21:32
sebsebseband it's dvd size nowApr 29 21:32
MinceRthat's what she said.Apr 29 21:32
sebsebsebshe?Apr 29 21:32
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That%27s_what_she_saidApr 29 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Said the actress to the bishop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h7m8w ]Apr 29 21:32
sebsebsebMinceR: I think like MagieaApr 29 21:32
sebsebsebthere will be still some repo'sApr 29 21:32
sebsebsebfor un supported releasesApr 29 21:32
sebsebsebjust  that don't get updated anymore, but that can stil install stuff fromApr 29 21:32
sebsebsebhence the lts to lts upgade for exampleApr 29 21:33
schestowitz__http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY3NTAApr 29 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Xamarin Studio Working On New Debugging SupportApr 29 21:40
sebsebsebMinceR: yes I'll have to change the repos a bitApr 29 21:46
sebsebsebMinceR: like you were saying it seems, als just reading this now, good link :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Apr 29 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-help.ubuntu.com | EOLUpgrades - Community Help Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/h7mci ]Apr 29 21:47
sebsebsebhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Apr 29 21:47
MinceR:)Apr 29 21:47
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sebsebsebMinceR: LTS to LTS to LTSApr 29 21:51
sebsebseband hopefuly 14.04 runs ok :dApr 29 21:51
sebsebseband if UNity some issue then some other interface I guessApr 29 21:51
sebsebsebMinceR: five years of support and yeahApr 29 21:51
sebsebsebcomputer will be like nearly 20 years old if still working by then to :dApr 29 21:51
SosumignApr 29 21:52
MinceRo/Apr 29 21:52
sebsebsebSosumi: a bit early?Apr 29 21:52
Sosumiand good luck with the laptopApr 29 21:52
sebsebsebSosumi: yeah thanks :)Apr 29 21:52
SosumiI need to get up at 5am to eat, catch the bus at 6:40, begin workout at 7am be finished at 9, classes at 9:30 and so onApr 29 21:53
sebsebsebSosumi: oh right okApr 29 21:53
sebsebsebSosumi: night htenApr 29 21:53
Sosumi:)Apr 29 21:53
sebsebsebthenApr 29 21:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tiny i.MX286 SBC runs Debian on less than aApr 29 22:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Telepathy Sprint http://t.co/44uJ3ehCCBApr 29 22:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/OHQQI2zJIlApr 29 23:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesApr 29 23:10
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MinceRgnApr 29 23:21
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schestowitz__http://i.imgur.com/dVufQu9.gifApr 29 23:35
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4006937Apr 29 23:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?Apr 29 23:38
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4006937Apr 29 23:38
schestowitz__"I think Roy has taken over Diaspora....i'll bring this up with him next time on TechBytes...its a full on invasion!"Apr 29 23:38
schestowitz__Posting and taking over are different concepts.Apr 29 23:38
schestowitz__https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4006302Apr 29 23:43
schestowitz__"True, as long as the press in question isn't owned by some greedy mega-corp willing to sacrifice any and all for the bottom line."Apr 29 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@anonymiss@despora.de: ### There is no freedom without freedom of the press! ![freedom](https://www.reporter-ohne-grenzen.de/typo3temp/pics/d6a1a056b4.png) #freedom #press #journalism #war #weapon #information #politics #HumanRights #law #justice #whistleblower #police #violence #secret #surveillanceApr 29 23:43
schestowitz__In Russia the government controls the press and uses it to sell us a war. Thankfully we in the West don't have wars sold to us :/Apr 29 23:44
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3999447Apr 29 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic http://www.piware.de/2014/04/booting-ubuntu-with-systemd-now-in-utopic/ #systemd #ubuntu #gnu #linux #upstartApr 29 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.piware.de | Booting Ubuntu with systemd: Now in Utopic « Martin Pitt [ http://ur1.ca/h7c1o ]Apr 29 23:45
schestowitz__"Myeh... he probably knows more than I do about it. When you get to be our age, though, you start to really have an appreciation for simplicity that just works. Know what I mean? ;)"Apr 29 23:45
schestowitz__"Apr 29 23:46
schestowitz__I actually do like the speed with which a system will boot under systemd and there's much about it I like.Apr 29 23:46
schestowitz__What I very strongly dislike is that the documentation is in an appalling state. This, of course, is true for lots of things these days, but when I'm trying to solve a problem, I resent having to chase down a rat hole trying to figure how to use the tools I need.Apr 29 23:46
schestowitz__"Apr 29 23:46
schestowitz__"Yes, the state of open source documentation isn't what it should be."Apr 29 23:46
schestowitz__Is documentation of proprietary software usually any better? Or do you need to phone up the support monopoly?Apr 29 23:47
DaemonFCWell, my problem with Ubuntu ever since they switched to Unity was that Unity just wasn't very stable.Apr 29 23:48
DaemonFCBits and pieces of it would crash and freeze and it was just a really bad experience. They should have repackaged GNOME 2.32 or rebased on MATE or something for their last LTS.Apr 29 23:48
DaemonFCBecause Unity had no business being in there in the state it was in.Apr 29 23:49
DaemonFCIt wasn't even beta quality software in Ubuntu 12.04, and it was an LTS, and I was like "Really?".Apr 29 23:50
DaemonFCMaybe have Unity as a "technology preview" or something for people who knew there would be problems.Apr 29 23:51
DaemonFCWhen software gets a bad reputation, it can be hard to get rid of that, even if you fix it later.Apr 29 23:51
DaemonFCThey basically gave away a lot of their users to Linux Mint.Apr 29 23:53
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4005325Apr 29 23:55
schestowitz__"I just hope I'm be able to install SailfishOS on my MotoG :D"Apr 29 23:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/80371.html?rss=1&utm_medium=twitterApr 29 23:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxinsider.com | Brian Warner: Tizen Has Good Bones | Exclusives | LinuxInsider [ http://ur1.ca/h7lbq ]Apr 29 23:56
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007348Apr 29 23:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: oozing cow lips... > ---- <strong> @{![Avatar](https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_small_86bd76a7b1df24759a67.jpg) HU Art Sound . ; huartsound@diasp.org} </strong><sup> [30/4/2014 09:15:11](/posts/0a63b1da1bd3065a)</sup> > **Meanwhile at the hot dog factory...** > > open wide, bite and enjoy .. > > ![](http://reho.st/gif/8e206fb084b6119f63f595966e853034de08057f.gif) > > http://www.bApr 29 23:57
schestowitz__"And GMO free... So far as packaging is considered at least..."Apr 29 23:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessinsider.com | How Hot Dogs Are Made [PHOTOS] - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/h7n7k ]Apr 29 23:57
DaemonFChttp://lists.opensuse.org/radeonhd/2008-01/msg00213.htmlApr 30 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.opensuse.org | Re: [radeonhd] Initial 3D support question [ http://ur1.ca/h7nac ]Apr 30 00:11
DaemonFC"David Airlie was told not to work on ATI drivers due to an NDA conflict,Apr 30 00:11
DaemonFCnow RedHat & AMD have agreed to let him continue to work on ATI Drivers"Apr 30 00:11
DaemonFCThat was actually just a couple of really old pre-HD Radeons that have almost nothing in common with later cards.Apr 30 00:11
DaemonFCHe still doesn't touch the code for those. It's feature complete anyway, so all it ever needs it an update for new X.org servers.Apr 30 00:12
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cubezzzok, got some rudimentary framebuffer code workingApr 30 03:47
cubezzzsome of the LKM's haven't been touched since 1999Apr 30 03:48
cubezzzmsb, this is very low level stuffApr 30 03:52
cubezzzone can pretty well open /dev/fb0 and write to the registersApr 30 03:58
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schestowitz__Handy image for future postsApr 30 08:07
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007691Apr 30 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Software available on the PRISM platform of your choice or GNU/Linux. Inspired by Tux Machines logo. Thanks, @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com}Apr 30 08:08
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schestowitz__http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/04/freemasonry-and-empire/Apr 30 08:11
schestowitz__"Unfortunately since about 1975 public opinion has been moulded into a rigid neo-conservative mindset, and neo-imperialism increasingly looks like the old variety.  If you didn’t live through it, it must be hard now to believe that the British “elite” once held quite left wing opinions, and of course some ideologically motivated would wish to deny it as not fitting their model of society.  But it was so,"Apr 30 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Freemasonry and Empire [ http://ur1.ca/h7q1m ]Apr 30 08:11
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007214Apr 30 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Abu Ghraib: A Torture Story Without a Hero or an Ending http://www.thenation.com/article/179556/abu-ghraib-torture-story-without-hero-or-ending #torture makes more enemies, it's counter-productiveApr 30 08:12
schestowitz__"It's terrorism."Apr 30 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thenation.com | Abu Ghraib: A Torture Story Without a Hero or an Ending | The Nation [ http://ur1.ca/h7q1w ]Apr 30 08:12
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4006953Apr 30 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tired? Angry? Your car knows how you feel http://www.gizmag.com/epfl-psa-peugeot-citreon-emotion-detector-safety/31328/ will it be a networked (connected) car? Ripe for abuse.Apr 30 08:12
schestowitz__"they bluetooth into your phone, so you can pay monopoly wireless rates to be violated this way!"Apr 30 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gizmag.com | Tired? Angry? Your car knows how you feelApr 30 08:12
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4007048Apr 30 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Income Inequality Has Spurred a Boom in Private Security http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/04/income-inequality-has-spurred-boom-private-security ask #billgates http://techrights.org/2013/06/15/policing-as-a-private-business/Apr 30 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.motherjones.com | Income Inequality Has Spurred a Boom in Private Security | Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/h7q25 ]Apr 30 08:13
schestowitz__"Sounds like it is spurring a lot of insecurity."Apr 30 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Bill Gates Looking for Profit in Privatised Oppression in the United Kingdom and Elsewhere | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ebwta ]Apr 30 08:13
schestowitz__Financial insecurity for everyone, except the rich, who now feel afraid of all whom they rob.Apr 30 08:13
schestowitz__"Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__Ummm, yes....Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__And where are the people they have robbed?Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__"Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__"Yes, Will, that's the paradox. Money is a means to power, which is a means to controlling your environment, which is a means of freedom from interference. Except that it also makes you a target."Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__"People only have to worry when they are surrounded by people they have robbed."Apr 30 08:14
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4006292Apr 30 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of people may not know or remember this, but before #novell sold out to #microsoft I had promoted Novell and used SUSE on all machinesApr 30 08:16
schestowitz__"Me too, long time ago, it was my hero when fighted SCO."Apr 30 08:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linus Wins Award, Tails 1.0, and Ubuntu WarningApr 30 08:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linus Wins Award, Tails 1.0, and Ubuntu Warning | Tux MachinesApr 30 08:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Asus Fonepad 7 Dual SIM now available onApr 30 09:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Infibeam http://t.co/yBgtr2xbdZApr 30 09:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung Galaxy K Zoom packs 20.7 MP camera, 10xApr 30 09:02
TweetTuxMachines                 optical zoom http://t.co/yedgSi6aBiApr 30 09:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Albania Considers Free/Libre Open SourceApr 30 09:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Intel Ultrabook Benchmarks On The Linux 3.15Apr 30 10:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Ultrabook Benchmarks On The Linux 3.15 Kernel | Tux MachinesApr 30 10:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical's audacious Ubuntu for AndroidApr 30 10:52
TweetTuxMachines                 project isn't quite dead, but it is in limboApr 30 10:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical's audacious Ubuntu for Android project isn't quite dead, but it is in limbo | Tux MachinesApr 30 10:53
TweetTuxMachines@LibrePublico    Libre y Público is out! http://t.co/BaQabFhI2xApr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Stories via @steves99things @tuxmachinesApr 30 11:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Libre y PúblicoApr 30 11:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Updated OpenOffice 'good news forApr 30 11:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updated OpenOffice 'good news for administrations | Tux MachinesApr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Review – The Best Way toApr 30 11:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Configure Ubuntu http://t.co/rSqNaOfUk7Apr 30 11:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Review – The Best Way to Configure Ubuntu | Tux MachinesApr 30 11:31
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/flying-the-custom-flag-hands-on-with-the-oneplus-one-cyanogenmod-phone/Apr 30 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Flying the custom flag: Hands on with the OnePlus One Cyanogenmod phone | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h7r5n ]Apr 30 11:47
Sosuminot the kind of reviews I like, typically detailed anandtech/gsmarena reviews, but it doesn't seem badApr 30 11:48
Sosumiif the phone actually delivers, I may end up getting oneApr 30 11:53
Sosumibetter specs than the S5 minus the software bloatApr 30 11:54
Sosumiand with the right pricetagApr 30 11:54
Sosumiwhile the S5 is 200€ too expensive for what it offersApr 30 11:55
Sosumiactually, at moment, the S5 is more expensive than the iphoneApr 30 11:55
Sosumiwhich is just dumbApr 30 11:56
Sosumisince there's no perceived premium with the samsung brand as it is with crappleApr 30 11:56
Sosumithe LG G3 is coming in june it seemsApr 30 12:04
Sosumiat least they don't bloat the entire phone compared with what samsung doesApr 30 12:05
Sosumibut the problem is that they don't support it very well, software wise, from what I've readApr 30 12:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     UBUNTU 14.10 UTOPIC UNICORN RELEASE SCHEDULEApr 30 14:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UBUNTU 14.10 UTOPIC UNICORN RELEASE SCHEDULE | Tux MachinesApr 30 14:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Is Nokia Really Dying? http://t.co/VokOUk7EKUApr 30 14:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is Nokia Really Dying? | Tux MachinesApr 30 14:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Presence of Chromebooks in businesses growsApr 30 16:31
TweetTuxMachines                 with recent deals http://t.co/kFbLrnFmXSApr 30 16:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat to buy storage software maker InktankApr 30 16:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Presence of Chromebooks in businesses grows with recent deals | Tux MachinesApr 30 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat to buy storage software maker Inktank for $175 mln | Tux MachinesApr 30 16:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 3.14.2 Officially ReleasedApr 30 17:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Digitimes Research: Global tablet shipments toApr 30 17:33
TweetTuxMachines                 rise in 2Q14 http://t.co/e20LBD78boApr 30 17:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Ships April Updates to Applications,Apr 30 17:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.14.2 Officially Released | Tux MachinesApr 30 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Digitimes Research: Global tablet shipments to rise in 2Q14 | Tux MachinesApr 30 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Ships April Updates to Applications, Platform and Plasma Workspaces | Tux MachinesApr 30 17:34
Sosumihttp://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/30/idc-phones-1q14/Apr 30 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Again Trails Market in Smartphone Growth, but Closes on Nokia in Overall Mobile Phones - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h7vd2 ]Apr 30 17:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Firefox 30 Beta Finally Supports GStreamer 1.0Apr 30 18:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 30 Beta Finally Supports GStreamer 1.0 | Tux MachinesApr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yes, The World Can And Does Make Its OwnApr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Software Cheaper Than RentingApr 30 18:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yes, The World Can And Does Make Its Own Software Cheaper Than Renting | Tux MachinesApr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qt 5.3 Release Candidate Planned For End OfApr 30 18:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt 5.3 Release Candidate Planned For End Of Week | Tux MachinesApr 30 18:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Training Becomes Embedded Engineer's PlanApr 30 18:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Training Becomes Embedded Engineer's Plan B | Tux MachinesApr 30 18:06
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Sosumisebsebseb, has been left to the cricketsApr 30 21:51
Sosumicrik, crik, crik, crik, crik, crik, crik, crikApr 30 21:51
Sosumi(...)Apr 30 21:51
SosumicrikApr 30 21:51
sebsebsebSosumi: hmm what?Apr 30 21:51
Sosumino one replied or said anything until nowApr 30 21:52
SosumignApr 30 21:59
Sosumicrik :)Apr 30 21:59
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DaemonFCshared a link via Engadget.Apr 30 23:51
DaemonFCabout an hour agoApr 30 23:51
DaemonFChttp://engt.co/1o4sljpApr 30 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Windows will let you search your computer using everyday languageApr 30 23:51
DaemonFCI wonder if this will be as good as their utilities like "Fix Problems With Windows Update", that doesn't fix Windows Update problems.Apr 30 23:51
DaemonFCInstead of developing an assortment of Rube Goldberg-like utilities that don't actually fix the problem, why can't Microsoft just fix their damned bugs? If you know that a service tends to hang under certain conditions, you should explore this and fix the conditions under which it hangs, not develop a utility that kills and restarts the service.Apr 30 23:51
DaemonFCIt's so much easier for Microsoft to do the wrong thing instead of fixing their bugs.Apr 30 23:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Musix Linux: Sweet Strains Jarred by Sour NotesMay 01 00:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images NowMay 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Available for Download http://t.co/ylLfJMTiF4May 01 00:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD, Mentor Graphics Join Advisory Board forMay 01 00:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Embedded Linux http://t.co/vdIac35XXQMay 01 00:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chromebooks: Not much room for competitionMay 01 00:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Musix Linux: Sweet Strains Jarred by Sour Notes | Tux MachinesMay 01 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) Daily Images Now Available for Download | Tux MachinesMay 01 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD, Mentor Graphics Join Advisory Board for Embedded Linux | Tux MachinesMay 01 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chromebooks: Not much room for competition | Tux MachinesMay 01 00:10
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3998813May 01 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shame on Google for making it so exceptionally hard to block ads in Chrome under Android. Firefox makes that simple. #google #surveillanceMay 01 00:26
schestowitz__"That's true. They're still a long way behind Google though, and even then, they'd still be a not for profit advertising company."May 01 00:26
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4009021May 01 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Error from license plate scanner leads to #police stop that startles PV-based attorney http://pvpost.com/2014/04/16/error-from-license-plate-scanner-leads-to-police-stop-that-startles-pv-based-attorney-26688May 01 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> pvpost.com | Error from license plate scanner leads to police stop that startles PV-based attorney :: Prairie Village Post - Neighborhood news and events for Prairie Village, Fairway, Mission Hills [ http://ur1.ca/h84to ]May 01 00:26
schestowitz__"Think of it as a harassment tip more than an error. DHS contractors and FBI will give "tips" to local police to arrest people on pretexts for drug suspects. I'm afraid that the process is also used to harass dissidents and I expect more of these kinds of errors if we don't get rid of license plate readers."May 01 00:27
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4003330May 01 00:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![art](https://cdn.mediacru.sh/dUWBt1s151eW.jpg) #art #iraq #warMay 01 00:27
schestowitz__"Why do you think the circumstances are clear? How do you know who the real photographer is? Have you seen a series of similar pictures in a blog with others of the driveway, etc?"May 01 00:27
DaemonFCI use Chromium on my desktop PC because Google Chrome tries to take over the entire computer and does bizarre things.May 01 00:41
cubezzzis Stallman living in New York now?May 01 00:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mandriva and  Linux Solutions Brazil, signMay 01 00:59
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