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| schestowitz_bed2 | Hi Kelly, | Aug 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I have studied all the attachments and read them carefully. | Aug 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | My experience with online polls is quite broad. I implemented polls in Drupal 6 for Tux Machines and in Drupal 7 for Techrights. I also implemented polls in WordPress and in PHP-Nuke. | Aug 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Polls are widely used and heavily developed. They are typically available for each major CMS and there are many developers working on different types of polling extensions, with various types of dis[lay, featuresets, etc. | Aug 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Based on the given requirements (should, must and so on) we may need to modify an existing module for Drupal and then maintain it as a "custom" module (the client's terminology). It is not likely that any single module will fulfill all the requirements out of the box. Mixing and matching is impractical because their database schemas are not compatible. So we must carefully choose a good module as our starting point. This requires | Aug 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | experimentation (installing and testing) and research on the Web. | Aug 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | In Drupal 6 there was a widely used module that implemented most of the required behaviour. In Drupal 7 the polling feature comes includes out of the box and I know it still lacks some of what the client wants (it is very rudimentary, but simple to use by admins). | Aug 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | To get something basic running on the development site should not take long (maybe a couple of hours), but adding features can take a while. Testing changes to ensure everything is reliable is stable is the hard part because putting on a live site experimental or scarcely-tested code can backfire a bit (pages may display PHP errors in sections like the sidebars). | Aug 04 18:54 |
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| schestowitz__ | " | Aug 05 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | There are numerous Flickr modules and the one currently in use is module Media:Flickr, which is an extension of Media (the module enabling the upload of multimedia objects within Drupal). | Aug 05 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I have attempted to install three different branches and versions of this module. These include the latest (and potentially unstable) development branch, but it did not fix the issue because something in Flickr's API has changed (just like with Twitter as of late). | Aug 05 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | The last stable release was two years ago, based on https://www.drupal.org/project/media_flickr | Aug 05 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | The latest update to the development (unstable/untested) release was 2 months ago, two weeks before the old API became deprecated. | Aug 05 00:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.drupal.org | Media: Flickr | Drupal.org [ http://ur1.ca/hwpgd ] | Aug 05 00:06 | |
| schestowitz__ | We have numerous options now: | Aug 05 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | 1. Change the Flickr module to something that is more actively maintained so as to be made compatible with Flickr's API. | Aug 05 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 2. Continue to attempt to upgrade the module, even though I have already attempted this. | Aug 05 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 3. Modify the module in an effort to make it compatible with the new Flickr API. This would mean that GLA then maintains a "custom" module (branch/fork) which can be difficult and not secure in the long run for obvious reasons. | Aug 05 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Which path would suit you best? | Aug 05 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Kind regards, | Aug 05 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Roy | Aug 05 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | PS - relying on third-party APIs tends to be tricky like this because we're always at the mercy of some other company and its business considerations, which may be disconnected from ours. | Aug 05 00:07 |
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| schestowitz__ | " | Aug 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Hi, | Aug 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | I believe that the issue boils down to the use of Microsoft Word by the author, as well as the use of Internet Explorer. Let me explain why. | Aug 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | If you view (in any browser) the source of the page, you then find at the end of the text the following oddly-formatted bunch of meta objects: | Aug 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | [some of the code below might get mangled by Mantis when I submit the note] | Aug 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Aug 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Aug 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | This code gets ignored by browsers that don't manage to interpret VML (Microsoft's proprietary meta extension), so we cannot see anything in most browsers. Notice that conditional "if VML". | Aug 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language | Aug 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | The solution would be: | Aug 05 00:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Vector Markup Language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hwpni ] | Aug 05 00:24 | |
| schestowitz__ | 1. Try pasting the text not directly from Microsoft Word, perhaps via a plain text editor (two-stage copy-paste). This ought to remove the VML stuff, via intermediates. | Aug 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 2. Move into "source" mode in the GUI (not WYSIWYG) and then manually remove the VML bits. | Aug 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Let me know if this helps resolve the issue, | Aug 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Roy | Aug 05 00:24 |
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| schestowitz__ | > Haha! The laugh is because of a coincidence... | Aug 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Aug 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz__ | > I have in my hands a book I am reading which has much content about the functioning of theIsraeli Secret Service,written by Daniel Silva. I do not suppose you read books of this sort. | Aug 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't read books in general, but I do read a lot about such subjects (usually Western spookery) in news articles... | Aug 05 19:46 |
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| roy | https://twitter.com/Douglasphipps1/status/497757518354219008 | Aug 08 15:55 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Douglasphipps1: @schestowitz CIA rendition Mallorca http://t.co/9BKE8g2Ls3… witness to 911 http://t.co/40naGlwh5f Secret service story national | Aug 08 15:55 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://t.co/9BKE8g2Ls3… ) | Aug 08 15:55 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Douglasphipps1: @attackerman launchpad of CIA rendition palma De Mallorca http://t.co/ohtkC7ghH0 witness to 911 Germany http://t.co/40naGlwh5f | Aug 08 15:55 | |
| roy | http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20140808_100_years_later__is_the_beast_back_.html | Aug 08 16:16 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.philly.com | 100 years later, is the beast back? [ http://ur1.ca/hxoiv ] | Aug 08 16:16 | |
| roy | neoconism... is that a word? | Aug 08 16:16 |
| MinceR | "it is now!" :> | Aug 08 16:17 |
| MinceR | "Sufficiently advanced conservatism is indistinguishable from parody." - Random Nerd | Aug 08 16:20 |
| roy | weird theory http://blueribbonnews.com/2014/08/the-truth-about-who-killed-john-f-kennedy-and-why/ | Aug 08 16:23 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-blueribbonnews.com | ‘The truth about who killed John F. Kennedy and why’ | Blue Ribbon News [ http://ur1.ca/hxojr ] | Aug 08 16:23 | |
| roy | Mafia wars LOLish | Aug 08 16:23 |
| roy | http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/the-sun-also-rises-shows-a-different-side-of-war/ | Aug 08 16:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cnet.com | The Sun Also Rises is a game that shows a different side of war - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/hxokr ] | Aug 08 16:31 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4536248 | Aug 09 18:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Relevant amid "late Friday" news of #iraq invasion http://en.mercopress.com/2014/08/09/fifty-years-since-the-gulf-of-tonkin-incident-which-triggered-the-vietnam-war how #us lied to invade #vietnam to kill millions | Aug 09 18:00 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> en.mercopress.com | Fifty years since the Gulf of Tonkin incident which triggered the Vietnam war — MercoPress [ http://ur1.ca/hxwl2 ] | Aug 09 18:00 | |
| schestowitz | "They had already been financing the French army for years." | Aug 09 18:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4536567 | Aug 09 18:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #newscorp #tabloid says that banks want secure communications to hide crimes from regulators http://nypost.com/2014/08/08/banks-new-encrytped-chat-service-could-infuriate-sec/ | Aug 09 18:05 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> nypost.com | Banks’ new encrypted chat service could infuriate SEC | New York Post [ http://ur1.ca/hxwmn ] | Aug 09 18:05 | |
| schestowitz | "... which is odd because they haven't attempted to hide their crimes from anyone for the past seven or eight years ..." | Aug 09 18:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4531691 | Aug 09 18:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Russian Ministry of Health to Replace Microsoft and Oracle Products with Linux and PostgreSQL http://news.softpedia.com/news/Russian-Ministry-of-Health-to-Replace-Microsoft-and-Oracle-Product-with-Linux-and-PostgreSQL-453909.shtml | Aug 09 18:17 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> news.softpedia.com | Russian Ministry of Health to Replace Microsoft and Oracle Products with Linux and PostgreSQL [ http://ur1.ca/hxnx6 ] | Aug 09 18:17 | |
| schestowitz | "Not only! They are using typewriters in the Presindent's office. So they also care about technology independence and deliberate back-doors in their systems." | Aug 09 18:17 |
| schestowitz | "Russian president was director of KGB , so.. I think he is very pedantic in security matters. :)" | Aug 09 18:17 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4536562 | Aug 09 18:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's "Trustworthy Computing" nonsense: #microsoft gives your data to spies, but says it'll protect conduit http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-has-announced-latest-round-security-improvements-azure | Aug 09 18:18 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.winbeta.org | Microsoft has announced the latest round of security improvements for Azure | WinBeta [ http://ur1.ca/hxwpk ] | Aug 09 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | "Yes. They protect you from small time crooks, so you'll feel secure giving your personal data to them to give to the big time ones." | Aug 09 18:18 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Aug 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Hi Kelly, | Aug 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I have studied all the attachments and read them carefully. | Aug 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | My experience with online polls is quite broad. I implemented polls in Drupal 6 for Tux Machines and in Drupal 7 for Techrights. I also implemented polls in WordPress and in PHP-Nuke. | Aug 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Polls are widely used and heavily developed. They are typically available for each major CMS and there are many developers working on different types of polling extensions, with various types of dis[lay, featuresets, etc. | Aug 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Based on the given requirements (should, must and so on) we may need to modify an existing module for Drupal and then maintain it as a "custom" module (the client's terminology). It is not likely that any single module will fulfill all the requirements out of the box. Mixing and matching is impractical because their database schemas are not compatible. So we must carefully choose a good module as our starting point. This requires | Aug 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | experimentation (installing and testing) and research on the Web. | Aug 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | In Drupal 6 there was a widely used module that implemented most of the required behaviour. In Drupal 7 the polling feature comes includes out of the box and I know it still lacks some of what the client wants (it is very rudimentary, but simple to use by admins). | Aug 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | To get something basic running on the development site should not take long (maybe a couple of hours), but adding features can take a while. Testing changes to ensure everything is reliable is stable is the hard part because putting on a live site experimental or scarcely-tested code can backfire a bit (pages may display PHP errors in sections like the sidebars). | Aug 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Aug 04 17:56 |
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| schestowitz__ | " | Aug 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | There are numerous Flickr modules and the one currently in use is module Media:Flickr, which is an extension of Media (the module enabling the upload of multimedia objects within Drupal). | Aug 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | I have attempted to install three different branches and versions of this module. These include the latest (and potentially unstable) development branch, but it did not fix the issue because something in Flickr's API has changed (just like with Twitter as of late). | Aug 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | The last stable release was two years ago, based on https://www.drupal.org/project/media_flickr | Aug 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | The latest update to the development (unstable/untested) release was 2 months ago, two weeks before the old API became deprecated. | Aug 04 23:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.drupal.org | Media: Flickr | Drupal.org [ http://ur1.ca/hwpgd ] | Aug 04 23:09 | |
| schestowitz__ | We have numerous options now: | Aug 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 1. Change the Flickr module to something that is more actively maintained so as to be made compatible with Flickr's API. | Aug 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 2. Continue to attempt to upgrade the module, even though I have already attempted this. | Aug 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 3. Modify the module in an effort to make it compatible with the new Flickr API. This would mean that GLA then maintains a "custom" module (branch/fork) which can be difficult and not secure in the long run for obvious reasons. | Aug 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Which path would suit you best? | Aug 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Kind regards, | Aug 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Roy | Aug 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | PS - relying on third-party APIs tends to be tricky like this because we're always at the mercy of some other company and its business considerations, which may be disconnected from ours. | Aug 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Aug 04 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Aug 04 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Hi, | Aug 04 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | I believe that the issue boils down to the use of Microsoft Word by the author, as well as the use of Internet Explorer. Let me explain why. | Aug 04 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | If you view (in any browser) the source of the page, you then find at the end of the text the following oddly-formatted bunch of meta objects: | Aug 04 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | [some of the code below might get mangled by Mantis when I submit the note] | Aug 04 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Aug 04 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Aug 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | This code gets ignored by browsers that don't manage to interpret VML (Microsoft's proprietary meta extension), so we cannot see anything in most browsers. Notice that conditional "if VML". | Aug 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language | Aug 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | The solution would be: | Aug 04 23:26 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Vector Markup Language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hwpni ] | Aug 04 23:26 | |
| schestowitz__ | 1. Try pasting the text not directly from Microsoft Word, perhaps via a plain text editor (two-stage copy-paste). This ought to remove the VML stuff, via intermediates. | Aug 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | 2. Move into "source" mode in the GUI (not WYSIWYG) and then manually remove the VML bits. | Aug 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Let me know if this helps resolve the issue, | Aug 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Roy | Aug 04 23:26 |
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| schestowitz__ | > Haha! The laugh is because of a coincidence... | Aug 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Aug 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | > I have in my hands a book I am reading which has much content about the functioning of theIsraeli Secret Service,written by Daniel Silva. I do not suppose you read books of this sort. | Aug 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't read books in general, but I do read a lot about such subjects (usually Western spookery) in news articles... | Aug 05 18:48 |
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| roy | https://twitter.com/Douglasphipps1/status/497757518354219008 | Aug 08 14:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Douglasphipps1: @schestowitz CIA rendition Mallorca http://t.co/9BKE8g2Ls3… witness to 911 http://t.co/40naGlwh5f Secret service story national | Aug 08 14:57 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://t.co/9BKE8g2Ls3… ) | Aug 08 14:57 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Douglasphipps1: @attackerman launchpad of CIA rendition palma De Mallorca http://t.co/ohtkC7ghH0 witness to 911 Germany http://t.co/40naGlwh5f | Aug 08 14:57 | |
| roy | http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20140808_100_years_later__is_the_beast_back_.html | Aug 08 15:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.philly.com | 100 years later, is the beast back? [ http://ur1.ca/hxoiv ] | Aug 08 15:19 | |
| roy | neoconism... is that a word? | Aug 08 15:19 |
| MinceR | "it is now!" :> | Aug 08 15:19 |
| MinceR | "Sufficiently advanced conservatism is indistinguishable from parody." - Random Nerd | Aug 08 15:22 |
| roy | weird theory http://blueribbonnews.com/2014/08/the-truth-about-who-killed-john-f-kennedy-and-why/ | Aug 08 15:25 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-blueribbonnews.com | ‘The truth about who killed John F. Kennedy and why’ | Blue Ribbon News [ http://ur1.ca/hxojr ] | Aug 08 15:25 | |
| roy | Mafia wars LOLish | Aug 08 15:25 |
| roy | http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/the-sun-also-rises-shows-a-different-side-of-war/ | Aug 08 15:33 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cnet.com | The Sun Also Rises is a game that shows a different side of war - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/hxokr ] | Aug 08 15:33 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4536248 | Aug 09 17:03 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Relevant amid "late Friday" news of #iraq invasion http://en.mercopress.com/2014/08/09/fifty-years-since-the-gulf-of-tonkin-incident-which-triggered-the-vietnam-war how #us lied to invade #vietnam to kill millions | Aug 09 17:03 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> en.mercopress.com | Fifty years since the Gulf of Tonkin incident which triggered the Vietnam war — MercoPress [ http://ur1.ca/hxwl2 ] | Aug 09 17:03 | |
| schestowitz | "They had already been financing the French army for years." | Aug 09 17:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4536567 | Aug 09 17:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #newscorp #tabloid says that banks want secure communications to hide crimes from regulators http://nypost.com/2014/08/08/banks-new-encrytped-chat-service-could-infuriate-sec/ | Aug 09 17:07 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> nypost.com | Banks’ new encrypted chat service could infuriate SEC | New York Post [ http://ur1.ca/hxwmn ] | Aug 09 17:07 | |
| schestowitz | "... which is odd because they haven't attempted to hide their crimes from anyone for the past seven or eight years ..." | Aug 09 17:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4531691 | Aug 09 17:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Russian Ministry of Health to Replace Microsoft and Oracle Products with Linux and PostgreSQL http://news.softpedia.com/news/Russian-Ministry-of-Health-to-Replace-Microsoft-and-Oracle-Product-with-Linux-and-PostgreSQL-453909.shtml | Aug 09 17:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> news.softpedia.com | Russian Ministry of Health to Replace Microsoft and Oracle Products with Linux and PostgreSQL [ http://ur1.ca/hxnx6 ] | Aug 09 17:19 | |
| schestowitz | "Not only! They are using typewriters in the Presindent's office. So they also care about technology independence and deliberate back-doors in their systems." | Aug 09 17:19 |
| schestowitz | "Russian president was director of KGB , so.. I think he is very pedantic in security matters. :)" | Aug 09 17:20 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4536562 | Aug 09 17:21 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's "Trustworthy Computing" nonsense: #microsoft gives your data to spies, but says it'll protect conduit http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-has-announced-latest-round-security-improvements-azure | Aug 09 17:21 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.winbeta.org | Microsoft has announced the latest round of security improvements for Azure | WinBeta [ http://ur1.ca/hxwpk ] | Aug 09 17:21 | |
| schestowitz | "Yes. They protect you from small time crooks, so you'll feel secure giving your personal data to them to give to the big time ones." | Aug 09 17:21 |
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