IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: July 13th, 2014-July 19th, 2014

TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meld 3.11.2 Diff and Merge Tool for GNOME Has	Jul 13 00:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Meld 3.11.2 Diff and Merge Tool for GNOME Has Been Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 6 Upcoming Linux-Based Smartphone Operating	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	Systems That Aren’t Android	Jul 13 00:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 6 Upcoming Linux-Based Smartphone Operating Systems That Aren’t Android \| Tux Machines		Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.61 LTS Officially Released	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	with Support for New Devices	Jul 13 00:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Kernel 3.2.61 LTS Officially Released with Support for New Devices \| Tux Machines		Jul 13 00:12
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4391859	Jul 13 07:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kelvinpittman@diasp.org: Time! ![dig!](https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png) via: @{harry haller (nerdpol.ch) ; harryhaller@nerdpol.ch}, @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com} #Stallman #time-is-not-money #time-is-time #money-is-an-empty-promise #silly-Capitalist-time-is-for-everyone		Jul 13 07:33
schestowitz	""Time! dig! https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaledfull27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png via: harry haller (nerdpol.ch), Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) #Stallman #time-is-not-money #time-is-time #money-is-an-empty-promise #silly-Capitalist-time-is-for-everyone"	Jul 13 07:34
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schestowitz	Time! dig! https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaledfull27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png via: harry haller (nerdpol.ch), Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) #Stallman #time-is-not-money #time-is-time #money-is-an-empty-promise #silly-Capitalist-time-is-for-everyone	Jul 13 07:34
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4384536	Jul 13 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The IRS may be targeting open source projects." http://www.itworld.com/open-source/426611/irs-scheming-destroy-open-source-projects		Jul 13 07:34
schestowitz	"All the more reason to think reading wired articles will get you tagged by NSA."	Jul 13 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com \| Is the IRS scheming to destroy open source projects? \| ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/hq9dw ]		Jul 13 07:34
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4390954	Jul 13 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FOSS advocate uses some fairly neutral (not Microsoft-funded) data point to claim #firefox decline http://tildehash.com/?blog=the-popularity-of-firefox-is-definitely-waning		Jul 13 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tildehash.com \| The popularity of Firefox is definitely waning! [ http://ur1.ca/hqes8 ]		Jul 13 07:35
schestowitz	"What are they doing with Mono? I hadn't heard that..."	Jul 13 07:35
schestowitz	Unity3d	Jul 13 07:35
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, I might understand the "ads in new tabs" thing in Firefox, if it was opt-in or something, and they desperately needed the money.	Jul 13 08:16
DaemonFC	They get enough from Google and donations, that I don't see why they need more money.	Jul 13 08:16
DaemonFC	I think they get 80% of their money from Google and most of the rest from donations.	Jul 13 08:16
DaemonFC	http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/mozilla-revenue-tops-311-million-from-open-source-technology.html	Jul 13 08:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| Mozilla Revenue Tops $311 Million From Open-Source Technology [ http://ur1.ca/hqhpj ]		Jul 13 08:17
DaemonFC	"Mozilla announced its 2012 earnings this week, reporting record revenue of $311 million."	Jul 13 08:17
DaemonFC	I've heard people say that Google basically has two web browsers, but it's not true.	Jul 13 08:19
DaemonFC	Mozilla is independent enough from Google that Google decided to start doing Chrome.	Jul 13 08:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MPV 0.4.1 MPlayer-Based Video Player App for Linux Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chitwanix OS 1.5 Uses a Modified Cinnamon 2.0	Jul 13 12:35
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/12/libressl_portable/	Jul 13 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| LibreSSL crypto library leaps from OpenBSD to Linux, OS X, more • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/hqjtr ]		Jul 13 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Games http://t.co/AEs1ldZpFo	Jul 13 15:04
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4363123	Jul 13 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: We shouldn't expect #Facebook to behave ethically http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/06/we-shouldnt-expect-facebook-to-behave-ethically nothing ethical about #surveillance and selling dossiers on people		Jul 13 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| We shouldn't expect Facebook to behave ethically \| Technology \| The Observer [ http://ur1.ca/hpuya ]		Jul 13 17:47
schestowitz	"Crime is always possible, that does not make it inevitable. The strong have inherent advantages over the weak. It may be more likely in trade and business because criminals have such huge advantages. They also spend lots of money on propaganda convince us that their behavior is both inevitable and good, but we should reject their arguments of might makes right. I think most people, even some animals, intuitively understand injustice	Jul 13 17:47
schestowitz	and that this is a problem that can be solved."	Jul 13 17:47
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4394015	Jul 13 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Blackheart Lady: Margaret Thatcher 'personally covered up' child abuse allegations against senior ministers http://www.sott.net/article/281832-Blackheart-Lady-Margaret-Thatcher-personally-covered-up-child-abuse-allegations-against-senior-ministers		Jul 13 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.sott.net \| Blackheart Lady: Margaret Thatcher 'personally covered up' child abuse allegations against senior ministers -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net [ http://ur1.ca/hqlrb ]		Jul 13 17:48
schestowitz	"Oh , she wouldn't do that , that bitch ..."	Jul 13 17:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393340	Jul 13 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "1970s when cases of unlawful covert operations... were uncovered, including spying on American citizens" http://www.cdapress.com/columns/syd_albright/article_85604792-e25c-5037-bb6e-c91d436b0862.html		Jul 13 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cdapress.com \| Frank Church fought Big Brother Government - Coeur d'Alene Press: Syd Albright [ http://ur1.ca/hqlrl ]		Jul 13 17:48
schestowitz	"Yes, and Watergate. Now everything's papered over."	Jul 13 17:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/488039869563023360	Jul 13 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: VP Of EU Commission On Copyright Reform: 'I'd Sing You Happy Birthday, But I Don't Want To Have To Pay The Royalt... https://t.co/iB0Jri8zH6		Jul 13 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com \| VP Of EU Commissi...		Jul 13 17:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/487914806541049856	Jul 13 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Five men suing #Obama administration after falling into ‘suspicious activity’ file http://t.co/t7qkk2gEFc ... https://t.co/jZ2LzW7mzq		Jul 13 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> rt.com \| Five men suing Obama administration after falling into ‘suspicious activity’ file — RT USA		Jul 13 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com \| Five men suing #O...		Jul 13 17:50
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395524	Jul 13 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk "Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill (DRIP). Here's the absurd timeline" http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2014/07/urgent-please-write-to-mps-to-stop-drip/index.htm we have emergency: gov. coup		Jul 13 18:05
schestowitz	""drip".....Bad intentions dripping from it? Very likely."	Jul 13 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.computerworlduk.com \| Urgent: Please Write to MPs Today to Stop the DRIP - Open Enterprise [ http://ur1.ca/hqlxs ]		Jul 13 18:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bdcory/status/488378917577695232	Jul 13 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bdcory: @schestowitz Math and science don't lie.		Jul 13 18:50
DaemonFC	http://news.distractify.com/culture/craigslist-surveillance-restaurant/?v=1	Jul 13 19:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dropbox 2.11.0 for Linux Brings a Revamped User	Jul 13 19:55
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488404303053598720	Jul 13 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz How the fuck is that remotely legal?		Jul 13 23:25
schestowitz	That's why I'm taking them to Court	Jul 13 23:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393502	Jul 13 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Expulsion of top spy a 'wake-up call' for US http://www.dw.de/expulsion-of-top-spy-a-wake-up-call-for-us/a-17777777 counter-espionage funding http://www.dw.de/german-spies-clamor-for-counter-espionage-funding/a-17781269		Jul 13 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dw.de \| Expulsion of top spy a 'wake-up call' for US \| World \| DW.DE \| 11.07.2014 [ http://ur1.ca/hqlqj ]		Jul 13 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dw.de \| German spies clamor for counter-espionage funding \| Germany \| DW.DE \| 12.07.2014 [ http://ur1.ca/hqlqk ]		Jul 13 23:27
schestowitz	"To me the message was "please be more discret", if Germany would be really upset it would be asking its gold deposited in the US back immediately."	Jul 13 23:28
schestowitz	"Or it would grant Snowden asylum. There was an op-ed in Al Jazeera to this effect."	Jul 13 23:28
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 13 23:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 13 23:28
schestowitz	"that would be the republicrat party (or the democrican party)"	Jul 13 23:28
schestowitz	"Or simply list the biggest contributor by each candidate's name instead of party."	Jul 13 23:28
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	Yes, that would make more sense and be more honest. The Facebook candidate, the Goldman Sacks candidate, the Monsanto candidate.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	That might be even called a multiparty democracy.	Jul 13 23:29
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schestowitz	@Cronos, that's hardly a democracy, that would be corporatocracy.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	There should be full disclosure of all donors who contributed a total minimum of, say, $1000.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	Uncle Meat, it isn't 'democracy' anyway. It's a republic.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	And republics are all about rule by the rich.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	See Federalist No. 10.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488449731602165760	Jul 13 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz ......I need details of this trial, also if it goes high court ima turn up in public gallery with fried chicken!		Jul 13 23:30
schestowitz	Doesn't need to go to High Court, I have a strong case, can finish it cheaply at 4000 quid	Jul 13 23:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488450596350197762	Jul 13 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Dependant on if they want to admit you have a strong case though let's be fair.		Jul 13 23:32
schestowitz	It'll go as high as it needs to be	Jul 13 23:32
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4396049	Jul 13 23:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tonight we'll watch our first WC14 match. Supporting my team in the final. Town has huge screens. Triangle and Spinningfield.		Jul 13 23:34
schestowitz	"So you're going to root for Die Manshaft"	Jul 13 23:34
schestowitz	"Germany well deserved 1-0"	Jul 13 23:34
schestowitz	Not sure if well deserved, it was a close match	Jul 13 23:34
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395864	Jul 13 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Recording and storing everyone's phonecalls is cheap. A cost analysis I did two years ago: at $100 per person can record everything 24/7.		Jul 13 23:36
schestowitz	"And with taxpayer's money there is no need to be either profitable or cheap."	Jul 13 23:36
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393835	Jul 13 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nsa cares about #math like #cia cares about #security - their goals are often to derail the math and destablise the world for Power		Jul 13 23:37
schestowitz	"The NSA rudely bullied the US NIST into accepting flawed standards. That's derailing math to spy on people. There may be other examples."	Jul 13 23:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4391352	Jul 13 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #brazil got massive debt from an event where it merely gets humiliated. It used to be a football giant. Now it's an open net.		Jul 13 23:38
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:38
schestowitz	Something like three weeks ago I was talking with my father, and told me how important was the victory of our national team because it was the second time in history it happened.	Jul 13 23:38
schestowitz	I had no idea what to say, I not even cared to watch the matches so I said nothing at all. And one week later he was upset because our team was eliminated, and to me nothing changed at all.	Jul 13 23:38
schestowitz	How can you convince someone that doing something to avoid being robbed is more important than our national soccer team? I have no idea and I'm not the one being robbed so I simply let my father live the life he choose.	Jul 13 23:38
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:38
schestowitz	Sports are used by many nations to shift from one's own competition to one's nation. Nationalism works well for the state, more then pursuit of the success of smaller groups.	Jul 13 23:39
schestowitz	*than	Jul 13 23:39
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395986	Jul 13 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #surveillance and #intimidation (under the FBI pretext that this is "terrorism") has successfully crush the #occupy movement		Jul 13 23:43
schestowitz	"Is it really crushed?"	Jul 13 23:44
schestowitz	""	Jul 13 23:44
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:44
schestowitz	I think, yes, the Occupy movement has been crushed.	Jul 13 23:44
schestowitz	I do not count 'Occupy Sandy' and 'Occupy Debt' as worthy of the name. They capitulate to the status quo.	Jul 13 23:44
schestowitz	Occupy, at the beginning, took the laudable position that it wanted nothing from the elite, but rather that their very existence was the problem. Paying off the elite or helping with civil defense is a very long ways from that initial position.	Jul 13 23:44
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schestowitz	Corporate media in the #uk never covers #nsa Menwith Hill. It's bad enough that it has no gov oversight	Jul 13 23:54
schestowitz	but no press oversight either?	Jul 13 23:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pick of the Bunch: Console Internet	Jul 14 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cubietruck review http://t.co/kUBN4gASKl	Jul 14 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GSRC Brings New & Updated GNU Packages	Jul 14 00:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GSRC Brings New & Updated GNU Packages \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 00:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines July's Record http://t.co/o8Ycf7DLZn	Jul 14 00:37
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	"(my gosh somebody bought a chromebook)"	Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Laptop/zgbs/pc/565108	Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/gp/top-rated/pc/565108/	Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	Chromebooks are selling like hotcakes and Windows isn't even in the Top Rated laptops until you get to #23.	Jul 14 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon Best Sellers: Best Laptop Computers [ http://ur1.ca/hqrnl ]		Jul 14 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com Top Rated: The best in Laptop Computers based on Amazon customer reviews [ http://ur1.ca/hqrnm ]		Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	Microsoft Windows 8.1 - Full Version	Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	2.8 out of 5 stars. What is that? 56% is a D, if I recall correctly,	Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit, System Builder OEM DVD 1 Pack (New Packaging)	Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	Windows 7 gets 3.9 out of five stars. 78% is like a C.	Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	So "Best Windows ever" is a C and Windows 8 is a D. We can't compare Vista, because apparently Amazon no longer sells it, but I think it's fair to say "Big fat F".	Jul 14 05:50
DaemonFC	Move to GNU/Linux, where the OS is and A and F is for Freedom. B-)	Jul 14 05:51
DaemonFC	"Way back in the day, Nvidia got caught lying about feature support when a program asked if the card supported a particular feature, and they didn't, but the driver would say "yes, I do". This aggravated Microsoft, because it was causing DirectX problems. As in "Program asks if a feature is supported. Oh good, it's supported. I'll use it. CRASH.". :) "	Jul 14 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla brings Indian communities together	Jul 14 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/egbMkud61T (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 06:49
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 14 07:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 14 07:06
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 07:07
schestowitz	Seriously, the best way to corrupt a politician is with money, giving donations does not seems to me a good idea.	Jul 14 07:07
schestowitz	I like Mexico's elections system, and I'm compelled to believe that its system (not their politicians) is one of the best in the world. For example, donations are forbidden, they have assigned a budget according to the amount of voters they got and if a party spends more of the money alloted then they might got the poll declared void.	Jul 14 07:07
schestowitz	I have not a good idea about a supposed Super PAC in the US intended to support politicians that pledge to support ending this practice, but to me that's like trying to buy politicians and corporations have more money to play that game.	Jul 14 07:07
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 07:07
schestowitz	"If a campaign budget is allocated by the number of votes a candidate gets, how does a candidate foresee how many votes s/he'll win? Or, if the budget is based on past performance, then how is that fair to the equivalent of, say, the Green Party in the U.S.? Would it not lock them into a perpetually underfunded campaign?"	Jul 14 07:07
schestowitz	"Indeed, I think it would be better if all parties had the same funds regardless of its past performance, but if you think that there are fringe parties everywhere then you avoid wasting money in them. And I think there is a minimum, and Mexican parties have alloted equal time in mass media (besides paid ads) so is not like small parties had no opportunity at all."	Jul 14 07:08
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 07:08
schestowitz	By the way, if you think that Mexican elections are expensive you're right, funding all the parties and the way elections are carried out (no electronic voting) makes them expensive even for first-world standards, but at least the elections are fair more or less.	Jul 14 07:08
schestowitz	But having a good system is half a good democracy, the other half are good citizens voting for good candidates and I think that is not the case.	Jul 14 07:08
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 07:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393502	Jul 14 07:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Expulsion of top spy a 'wake-up call' for US http://www.dw.de/expulsion-of-top-spy-a-wake-up-call-for-us/a-17777777 counter-espionage funding http://www.dw.de/german-spies-clamor-for-counter-espionage-funding/a-17781269		Jul 14 07:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dw.de \| Expulsion of top spy a 'wake-up call' for US \| World \| DW.DE \| 11.07.2014 [ http://ur1.ca/hqlqj ]		Jul 14 07:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dw.de \| German spies clamor for counter-espionage funding \| Germany \| DW.DE \| 12.07.2014 [ http://ur1.ca/hqlqk ]		Jul 14 07:09
schestowitz	"No, if Snowden is wise he will never be back in the West, not even Latin America is safe enough."	Jul 14 07:09
schestowitz	"@cronos@cronostech.no-ip.org , on this, I fear you're right."	Jul 14 07:09
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4394001	Jul 14 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: redneck yank in an SUV... ![redneck yank in an suv](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7nbmdSHIS1qz9bu3o1_500.jpg) #redneck #bigot #conservative #english #grammar #dumbass, #yank #suv #yankee #carculture		Jul 14 07:10
schestowitz	"Urine America"	Jul 14 07:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395928	Jul 14 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #Gestapo Still Sets the Bar for Evil http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/13/the-gestapo-still-sets-the-bar-for-evil.html "Decades before the NSA..."		Jul 14 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thedailybeast.com \| The Gestapo Still Sets the Bar for Evil - The Daily Beast [ http://ur1.ca/hqsh5 ]		Jul 14 07:21
schestowitz	"Damnation of the NSA by faint praise."	Jul 14 07:21
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393837	Jul 14 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why the Return of American Torture Is Inevitable http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/return-american-torture-future even the films now promote torture and assassination		Jul 14 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.motherjones.com \| Why the Return of American Torture Is Inevitable \| Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/hqsh6 ]		Jul 14 07:21
schestowitz	"The War of Terror continues."	Jul 14 07:21
*MinceR_ is now known as MinceR		Jul 14 07:25
schestowitz	http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/i-am-not-a-pacifist/	Jul 14 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk \| Craig Murray » Blog Archive » I am not a Pacifist [ http://ur1.ca/hqsmu ]		Jul 14 07:36
schestowitz	"The British retaking of the Falklands was legal. The Argentinian invasion was not. But lots of things are legal but not sensible. The government deliberately resolved the Falklands war in the most violent way possible to benefit from jingoism and overcome a disastrous popularity crisis for the Tories at home. Britain’s continued colonial rule over the Falklands is ludicrous."	Jul 14 07:36
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/annejanbrouwer/status/488597233592705024	Jul 14 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@annejanbrouwer: Well @schestowitz technically since Palestine isn't a country and thus has no military it should be 100% civilians .. right?		Jul 14 09:26
schestowitz	These terms are loosely defined by the dominator. The US likes to call all adult males "militants".	Jul 14 09:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488610184030617600	Jul 14 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I'm glad to hear it, will you be keeping everyone updated on progress.		Jul 14 10:18
schestowitz	late summer/autumn	Jul 14 10:18
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488622962082590720	Jul 14 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Not long then!		Jul 14 10:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This Is What It's Like To Be A Woman CEO In The	Jul 14 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	Male-Dominated Open-Source Software World	Jul 14 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TV60lA01BN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 10:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| This Is What It's Like To Be A Woman CEO In The Male-Dominated Open-Source Software World \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source boost as Linux Conference heads to	Jul 14 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	Auckland http://t.co/rnSxgv3Omb	Jul 14 10:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source boost as Linux Conference heads to Auckland \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LFTP 4.5.3 File Transfer Software Is for People	Jul 14 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	Who Love the Terminal http://t.co/9N30dinlJm	Jul 14 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 10:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LFTP 4.5.3 File Transfer Software Is for People Who Love the Terminal \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 10:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488627884605444097 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488628298486792193	Jul 14 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, that page does not exist		Jul 14 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Kitsilano Software is just me. No hidden agenda. What I've been doing with @monotizen is an open book. See Twitter, Github ...		Jul 14 11:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488628716440788992 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488628936562061312 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488629310559760384	Jul 14 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen ... and blogs. Ended an 18 year career in big company games (http://t.co/kFgox2fkgJ), now working for @roadhousehq		Jul 14 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bobsummerwill.wordpress.com \| End of an era \| Bob's Blog		Jul 14 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen And @roadhousehq use @unity3d because just about all small games companies use @unity3d. It's the best there is.		Jul 14 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen And what makes @unity3d so good? The @monoproject, and the productivity of C#.		Jul 14 11:23
schestowitz	"Hey @schestowitz! Kitsilano Software is literally just me. No hidden agenda. What I've been doing is an open book."	Jul 14 11:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488629820763291648	Jul 14 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz As for @monotizen and my involvement in @TizenProject, I did that project because @xamarinhq didn't. @ztzg contracted for me.		Jul 14 11:24
schestowitz	me: @BobSummerwill @monotizen @TizenProject @xamarinhq @ztzg Why encourage #linux devs to use C# (with MS #swpats )?	Jul 14 11:24
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/android-apps-on-windows-phone-would-be-an-ugly-capitulation/	Jul 14 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Android apps on Windows Phone would be an ugly capitulation \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hqv45 ]		Jul 14 11:29
DaemonFC	Another way to look at this is sort-of good news.	Jul 14 11:29
DaemonFC	Windows Phone flopped and Microsoft is looking to cease development and try to freeload off of Android instead.	Jul 14 11:30
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/emergency-windows-update-revokes-dozens-of-bogus-google-yahoo-ssl-certificates/	Jul 14 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Emergency Windows update revokes dozens of bogus Google, Yahoo SSL certificates \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hqv7x ]		Jul 14 11:36
DaemonFC	"People using default versions of Mac OS X, Linux, and other operating systems are also immune since they don't trust CCA-authorized sites."	Jul 14 11:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488630206320476160 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488630368396787712 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488630756508307458 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488632010424864768	Jul 14 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Every line of the work we did was in the open at https://t.co/HJ75Eu18XM. You'll see posts at https://t.co/e4F6EekxxU ...		Jul 14 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com \| Kitsilano Software · GitHub		Jul 14 11:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz and at http://t.co/Fd7NnY2Hvj, and more importantly at @monotizen and @bobsummerwill. No hidden agenda whatsoever.		Jul 14 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> go-mono.com \| Forums - Mono		Jul 14 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Getting the @monotizen Mono Runtime working on Tizen turned out to be literally one #define change (https://t.co/a8fKzNmwqK)		Jul 14 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com \| icall: Use mono_strtod on non-Android ARM platforms by ztzg · Pull Request #1112 · mono/mono · GitHub		Jul 14 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz The @monoproject have a clear and long-standing statement of position on patent-risk http://t.co/DfTn9NOBaP.		Jul 14 11:54
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488632307591294978 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488632622436716544 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488633357895344128	Jul 14 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz With the creation of the @dotnetfdn (http://t.co/TL4qLcnidq) and Microsoft and Xamarin's strategic partnership, I think the ...		Jul 14 11:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz ... risk of patent claims against @monoproject is now close to zero, because @monoproject's success is now important to MS.		Jul 14 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz The @monoproject lets MS reach iOS and Android, as Windows wanes in importance. Linux is the winner by side-effect.		Jul 14 11:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488634091378470912 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488635618390319104 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488636108297605121	Jul 14 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz I detest software patents. I was delighted to see @elonmusk throw away theirs. @monoproject carries no special risk, IMHO.		Jul 14 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen @TizenProject @xamarinhq @ztzg Because C# is a hugely productive language. HTML5 and C++ are not good enough.		Jul 14 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen @TizenProject @xamarinhq @ztzg Software patents threaten all software. Mono is nothing special.		Jul 14 11:55
schestowitz	this is what Microsoft is trying to tell the world and why Mono is dangerous	Jul 14 11:56
MinceR	ooh, mono advertisement on our feed	Jul 14 11:56
schestowitz	I have written extensively about problems with mono http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono	Jul 14 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Mono - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1x784 ]		Jul 14 11:56
schestowitz	MinceR: just showing you what he says	Jul 14 11:57
schestowitz	he is trying to put Mono in Tizen	Jul 14 11:57
schestowitz	and I'm hoping to convince him not to waste time on it	Jul 14 11:57
schestowitz	he has a daytime job, he should focus more on that	Jul 14 11:57
schestowitz	He's a Brit who moved to Canada	Jul 14 11:57
schestowitz	His wife is Canadian it seems...	Jul 14 11:57
schestowitz	the project is a one-man effort, but could potentially expand	Jul 14 11:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488636552017235969	Jul 14 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: FIGHT ON! I've been called a patent troll and tool of the evll @Microsoft / @xamarinhq empire for making @monotizen https://t.co/2rEyHZt23n		Jul 14 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Software Patents Demising in the US as #Microsoft Patent Attacks on #Android/#Linux Suffer a Huge Setback http://t.co/nIYTh5g1nD #swpats		Jul 14 11:58
schestowitz	Complete Bulls***, you were not called a patent troll or a tool	Jul 14 11:59
MinceR	geekings	Jul 14 12:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi Model B+ http://t.co/6xjStdfjv5	Jul 14 12:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspberry Pi Model B+ \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical and Ubuntu Helped Munich Save	Jul 14 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Millions of Dollars by Ditching Microsoft	Jul 14 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Products http://t.co/gDoZH3is4c	Jul 14 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 12:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical and Ubuntu Helped Munich Save Millions of Dollars by Ditching Microsoft Products \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 12:26
DaemonFC	I wonder if switching from EXA to glamor would work.	Jul 14 12:54
DaemonFC	The manpage for my radeon driver suggests it will.	Jul 14 12:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Road Ahead http://t.co/pXmwaVL4cj	Jul 14 13:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Road Ahead \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04: Is Canonical taking on too much?	Jul 14 13:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04: Is Canonical taking on too much? \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat CEO Whitehurst on VMware, OpenStack and	Jul 14 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	CentOS http://t.co/CWnxCFle7X	Jul 14 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 13:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat CEO Whitehurst on VMware, OpenStack and CentOS \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/JJGqjSxkg4	Jul 14 13:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 13:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On	Jul 14 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	The MacBook Air http://t.co/x6PdC0niv6	Jul 14 18:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On The MacBook Air \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 18:02
DaemonFC	Oh wow. Switching from EXA to GLAMOR really sped things up.	Jul 14 18:09
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 19:47
DaemonFC	The "system refresh" didn't fix any of the problems on my brother's Windows laptop, even after I gave up and told it to do a complete refresh where it wipes the data.	Jul 14 19:47
DaemonFC	Obviously, it is NOT re-installing the OS files, it just deletes your data, resets a few settings to default values, and then a brisk several hours later, it welcomes you back to broken OS minus your files.	Jul 14 19:47
DaemonFC	Then congratulates you for being a sucker that bought Microsoft Big ****pile 8.1.	Jul 14 19:47
DaemonFC	It works fine now. Humming right along with Kubuntu 14.04 LTS.	Jul 14 19:47
DaemonFC	Talk about fix and forget. That laptop won't have any more software problems until the day the hardware fails.	Jul 14 19:47
*DaemonFC is blowing steam about Windows 8.		Jul 14 19:48
Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/14/nickel-ipad-rash/	Jul 14 19:51
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Sosumi	lulz	Jul 14 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat to be a Key Contributor to and	Jul 14 20:06
TweetTuxMachines	Benefactor of the Kubernetes Project	Jul 14 20:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BIo6VFw587 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 20:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hr4on	Jul 14 20:06
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 20:07
DaemonFC	I always used to chuckle when a new processor came out and one of the benchmarks would be how fast it scanned C:\Windows for viruses.	Jul 14 20:07
DaemonFC	That's just so awesome. At least they admitted, in a round about way, why you needed a new $400 processor.	Jul 14 20:07
DaemonFC	What else would you use one for?	Jul 14 20:07
DaemonFC	"The Microsoft Office benchmarks are next."	Jul 14 20:07
DaemonFC	Oh. Damn. Sorry I asked!	Jul 14 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is making your product free and open source	Jul 14 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	crazy talk? http://t.co/UFOpYLVdmz	Jul 14 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 20:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CentOS 7 Comes on the Heels of Red Hat	Jul 14 20:08
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise Linux 7 http://t.co/tNcRonc9Nv	Jul 14 20:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On	Jul 14 20:08
TweetTuxMachines	The MacBook Air http://t.co/hOfrfHLnEH	Jul 14 20:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GParted Live 0.19.1 Beta 1-2 Is the Best	Jul 14 20:08
TweetTuxMachines	Solution for Partitioning on the Fly	Jul 14 20:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian 7.6 "Wheezy" Officially Released	Jul 14 20:09
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DaemonFC	"Stick around! Next we'll see how long it takes Microsoft Internet Toolbar Explorer to load!"	Jul 14 20:16
DaemonFC	It's like a car accident. I can't look away.....	Jul 14 20:16
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MinceR	lol	Jul 14 20:25
Sosumi	m$ is actually copying apple now on what appeared to be leaked images of windblows 9	Jul 14 20:31
Sosumi	all glassy themed gui and with the metro crap put inside a modified windows 7 start menu	Jul 14 20:32
Sosumi	as widgets	Jul 14 20:32
Sosumi	but the lsd flavour is all over it	Jul 14 20:33
MinceR	so, still worse than xp	Jul 14 20:33
Sosumi	never used xp personally to compare	Jul 14 20:33
Sosumi	but still no virtual desktops	Jul 14 20:34
Sosumi	which on my opinion are excelent productivity boostes	Jul 14 20:35
MinceR	that's too complicated for ordinary users	Jul 14 20:35
Sosumi	*boosters	Jul 14 20:35
MinceR	and microdrones	Jul 14 20:35
MinceR	and crApple cultists	Jul 14 20:35
Sosumi	crapple has those	Jul 14 20:35
MinceR	theirs is fucked up, afaik	Jul 14 20:35
MinceR	can't separate the windows from an application from each other	Jul 14 20:35
Sosumi	and switches to another desktop when you close a program on your present one	Jul 14 20:38
Sosumi	for no reason	Jul 14 20:38
Sosumi	which was a bug introduced on 10.9 when they finally made the virtual desktops display indepedent	Jul 14 20:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unofficial Android L port lands for HTC One	Jul 14 22:54
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MinceR	gn	Jul 14 23:36
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 15 01:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 15 01:34
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 01:34
schestowitz	The more parties you fund the more expensive it will be; I think that in Mexico any party with more than 2% of the population supporting it can run for the presidency but I'm not so sure.	Jul 15 01:34
schestowitz	Besides that, I think half the work should be done by political parties and the other half by the citizens, I think that not having massive funding like the main parties should NOT be a reason for people not voting them.I find hard to believe that people can find cats in the Internet easily but are unable to find candidate's plan and trajectory. If people will vote for the candidate with the better ads then that's the kind of president	Jul 15 01:34
schestowitz	they will have, one good in marketing.	Jul 15 01:34
schestowitz	Talking about the US, what about Bernie Sanders? I have not hear so much about him but all what I have heard is good:	Jul 15 01:34
schestowitz	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/bernie-sanders-2016_n_4295872.html	Jul 15 01:34
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 01:34
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schestowitz	The only real problem I have with Bernie Sanders is that he participates in authoritarian political system and seeks solutions in it, disregarding that the system itself is the problem.	Jul 15 01:35
schestowitz	He represents a small state, Vermont, which is probably unique in the U.S. It has, for instance, enacted and is in the process of implementing a single-payer health care system. There is a secession movement there that is probably better developed than any other in the country, and the people there would secede for the right reasons, for example, opposition to neoconservative war, opposition to neoliberalism, etc., which make Vermont	Jul 15 01:36
schestowitz	something of an outlier.	Jul 15 01:36
schestowitz	It is inconceivable that a self-identified socialist could be elected U.S. Senator from any other state.	Jul 15 01:36
schestowitz	Sanders runs as an independent but usually votes with Democrats; he is effective to the extent that Democrats can use him to advance their agenda. Outside that agenda, his words are, very sadly, nothing more than hot air.	Jul 15 01:36
schestowitz	Sanders is far from disproof of two-party (I'm being generous: Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky have said much the same thing as @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) did in opening this thread) hegemony; if anything, he simply further proof of it.	Jul 15 01:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft to push cheaper Windows PCs to	Jul 15 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	compete with Chromebooks http://t.co/MvTUCwIJUA	Jul 15 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrab5	Jul 15 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Microsoft to push cheaper Windows PCs to compete with Chromebooks \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “World’s first” iris recognition smartwatch	Jul 15 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	runs Android http://t.co/9lHE5vgGAR	Jul 15 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/488876207274860546	Jul 15 04:40
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 15 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 15 07:58
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 07:58
schestowitz	Half of what you have said about Sanders and Vermont sounds good to me, but since I'm not a US citizen I see no case in investigating further.	Jul 15 07:58
schestowitz	Anyway, I think that we have to try the easier and less violent ways first, because if that does not work then you have no other choice than taking a gun and try to end the regime or running away. Doing nothing but complaining does not look a solution to me, is more like a therapy.	Jul 15 07:58
schestowitz	I think that the best revolutions, the ones where the whole society advances and are more lasting, are the ones where almost nobody dies like in Iceland, the others where scores of people die are by themselves unsustainables and sooner or later they become only a change of tyrant.	Jul 15 07:58
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 07:58
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4399241	Jul 15 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Hamas 'claims responsibility' for drone attacks" http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/14/israel-shoots-down-gaza-drone-live-updates not exactly interested in ceasefire		Jul 15 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Egypt proposes Israel-Gaza ceasefire as death toll nears 200 - the day's events \| World news \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/hrbi6 ]		Jul 15 07:58
schestowitz	"Why should they be interested in a ceasefire? They are killed with impunity no matter what they do. The problem is that Palestinians are treated like caged animals. This is looking like a repeat of operation "Cast Lead", which basically proves all of the lock down, murder and punishment worthless. Do we want a future where collective punishment is eternally dished out on a population that only becomes more bitter each time?"	Jul 15 07:58
schestowitz	> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.odg	Jul 15 08:13
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schestowitz	> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.png	Jul 15 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-couldn't connect to host ( status 0 @ http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.png )		Jul 15 08:13
schestowitz	Serve down. What's there?	Jul 15 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux Allinone Edition 9.1 Beta Has	Jul 15 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	Everything You Need http://t.co/GIQuml59EZ	Jul 15 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbnd	Jul 15 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 4MLinux Allinone Edition 9.1 Beta Has Everything You Need \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fermilab Releases Scientific Linux 7.0 Alpha 2	Jul 15 08:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WqUd77bo70 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 08:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbo2	Jul 15 08:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines halting problem :: codes of conduct	Jul 15 08:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7yv9cTatFF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 08:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| halting problem :: codes of conduct \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 08:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Linux Desktop, FreeDOS Still Matters, and	Jul 15 08:29
TweetTuxMachines	Darksiders http://t.co/CyyTuTtT4G	Jul 15 08:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 08:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbo6	Jul 15 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best Linux Desktop, FreeDOS Still Matters, and Darksiders \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 08:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4404810	Jul 15 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The US government breaks into networks, computers, servers etc. while calling intrusion into them "cyber terrorism". Labeling itself?		Jul 15 09:32
schestowitz	"Try reasonong with amerikans , and you'll understand . Yeserday a guy explained to me that anglosaxons had the right to the land because before the 'red' people , there were nordic in amerika ?? And he's suposedly an educated , openminded person ."	Jul 15 09:33
schestowitz	wow. Maybe he watched some fiction movie, like one where Transformers were the reasons dinosaurs went extinct! :-)	Jul 15 09:33
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schestowitz	>>> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.odg	Jul 15 09:45
schestowitz	>>> >> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.png	Jul 15 09:45
schestowitz	>> >	Jul 15 09:45
schestowitz	>> > Serve down. What's there?	Jul 15 09:45
schestowitz	>> >	Jul 15 09:45
schestowitz	> A fake campaign sticker promoting Snowden and Binney for president /	Jul 15 09:45
schestowitz	> vicepresident in 2016	Jul 15 09:45
schestowitz	It would be hilarious if I could see if, but it's still down.	Jul 15 09:45
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditArchLinux favourited 'Best Linux Desktop, FreeDOS Still Matters, and Darksiders...'		Jul 15 09:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Firefox in a Fix? http://t.co/WtA64oDQEL	Jul 15 09:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrc39	Jul 15 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is Firefox in a Fix? \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 09:49
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 15 10:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 15 10:01
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 10:01
schestowitz	Indeed. The difficulty with violent revolution is that it replaces one set of thugs with another.	Jul 15 10:01
schestowitz	Because you need thugs to win.	Jul 15 10:01
schestowitz	The trouble is that I see no prospect that the elite will willingly give up power. Indeed, what we see with increasing police brutality not just in the U.S. but around the world, increasing militarization of the police, domestic spying and other brutal forms of repression of dissent is that the elite have no qualms about using violence to preserve their position.	Jul 15 10:01
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 10:01
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/488969462868373504	Jul 15 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Murdoch calls for ISPs to be liable for users' activities http://t.co/dVvS8Svv3a the 1% wants to crush whatever exposes the 1%		Jul 15 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| Murdoch calls for ISPs to be liable for users' activities • The Register		Jul 15 11:09
schestowitz	Everyone's yard always looks less green than the neighbour's. UK has its issues also.	Jul 15 11:10
MinceR	geekings	Jul 15 11:36
MinceR	http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2011/11/cult-leaders-vs-the-pope/	Jul 15 12:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tell the FCC: Net Neutrality is crucial to free	Jul 15 13:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Said to Announce Job Cuts as Soon as	Jul 15 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	This Week http://t.co/MLj6wLqfWo	Jul 15 13:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apple iPhone 6 Clone Surfaces in China as CCTV	Jul 15 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	Cautions Against iPhone Usage, Fearing NSA	Jul 15 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	Spying http://t.co/ZRnWb9YBMh	Jul 15 13:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why is Cabinet Office Holding Back Microsoft's	Jul 15 14:47
TweetTuxMachines	ODF Emails? http://t.co/SyODXuunJU	Jul 15 14:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 14:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hreqy	Jul 15 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why is Cabinet Office Holding Back Microsoft's ODF Emails? \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New AMD Catalyst 14.6 Beta Video Driver for	Jul 15 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Now Out http://t.co/iIXwGZBDET	Jul 15 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 14:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrer1	Jul 15 14:48
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Sosumi	the iphone’s aluminum treatment also causes herpes	Jul 15 15:31
Sosumi	or was it arsenic allergy? :P	Jul 15 15:32
Sosumi	so, another thing to watch out for	Jul 15 15:32
Sosumi	and just not the NSA	Jul 15 15:32
Sosumi	*nickel allergies	Jul 15 15:33
Sosumi	msdos logic	Jul 15 15:40
Sosumi	https://i.4cdn.org/s/1405402276172.jpg	Jul 15 15:40
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MinceR	:)	Jul 15 15:47
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4406674	Jul 15 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Endless stream of brutal imagery required for war on terror propaganda" http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-and-cia-want-to-keep-isis-tweeting-exploiting-social-media-to-keep-the-endless-war-on-terror-alive/5391222?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=pentagon-and-cia-want-to-keep-isis-tweeting-exploiting-social-media-to-keep-the-endless-war-on-terror-alive		Jul 15 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.globalresearch.ca \| Pentagon and CIA Want to Keep ISIS Tweeting: Exploiting Social Media to Keep the Endless War on Terror Alive \| Global Research		Jul 15 16:51
schestowitz	"I guess new bin laden is needed for western fat cats to continue justifying war in islamic countries. Just saying..."	Jul 15 16:51
MinceR	or the people living in the middle east will never be at peace until no more than one group survives	Jul 15 16:55
MinceR	(various muslim cults that hate each other and the jews)	Jul 15 16:56
abeNd-org	so, turn off the news & let them sort it out themselves?	Jul 15 16:56
MinceR	dunno	Jul 15 16:59
MinceR	i'm afraid them sorting it out themselves will lead to nuclear winter over here, too	Jul 15 16:59
MinceR	i'm not sure if that's avoidable at all	Jul 15 16:59
abeNd-org	so we should have turned off the news & let them sort it out pre-nuke	Jul 15 17:00
MinceR	i wouldn't turn off the news	Jul 15 17:01
MinceR	i'm not sure what purpose that would serve	Jul 15 17:01
abeNd-org	well, does it matter if you watch it or not? do you have any power to change anything going on?	Jul 15 17:04
MinceR	i might have enough to seek shelter for myself :>	Jul 15 17:05
MinceR	also to learn from it in the case i manage to survive	Jul 15 17:06
abeNd-org	meh, if it is your time...	Jul 15 17:07
DaemonFC	http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/07/kde-plasma-5-released	Jul 15 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk \| KDE Plasma 5 Arrives with Fresh New Look, True Convergence		Jul 15 17:18
DaemonFC	CONVERGENCE!!!!	Jul 15 17:20
DaemonFC	What is it with them using that word all over the place?	Jul 15 17:20
DaemonFC	Someone said Chrome is dangerous to use because it has a shell.	Jul 15 17:28
DaemonFC	I corrected him.	Jul 15 17:28
DaemonFC	"crosh is hidden so that normal users will never find it, and you can't really do anything with it that could harm the system even if you're a complete moron. Complete morons who accidentally load a crosh tab, don't know what it is, and start typing stuff, won't figure out how to become root (the chronos account) anyway.	Jul 15 17:28
DaemonFC	Of course, there's an explanation for users who do accidentally hit the key combo to bring up a crosh tab, that says :If you got here by mistake, just close this tab.".	Jul 15 17:28
DaemonFC	Chromebooks are so easy to use that anyone could use one.	Jul 15 17:28
DaemonFC	OS X and Windows have shells out in plain site. Your "normal user" can even open one up and totally destroy the operating system. People manage to use those systems. Some of the dumbest morons who have ever lived figure out Windows and OS X, and those are much harder to use than Chrome OS."	Jul 15 17:28
MinceR	this sense of convergence is that you're supposed to be able to use the same ui on phones, tablets, laptops, desktop pcs, etc.	Jul 15 17:33
DaemonFC	http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2012/12/18/10378851.aspx	Jul 15 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com \| Why was Pinball removed from Windows Vista? - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs		Jul 15 17:39
DaemonFC	MinceR, I don't want the UI on my computer to be the same as on my phone.	Jul 15 17:39
DaemonFC	That wouldn't make a very good experience.	Jul 15 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenWRT 14.07 RC1 Brings Native IPv6 Support,	Jul 15 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	New Init System http://t.co/yXttagnNt4	Jul 15 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489043563112456192	Jul 15 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenWRT 14.07 RC1 Brings Native IPv6 Support, New Init System \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 17:39
DaemonFC	http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2005/12/01/498882.aspx	Jul 15 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com \| What one Windows XP feature am I most proud of? - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs		Jul 15 17:41
DaemonFC	Some of these are actually kind of funny.	Jul 15 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Plasma brings a cleaner interface on top of	Jul 15 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	a new graphics stack http://t.co/vubbRZuSx6	Jul 15 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489043563762556928	Jul 15 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New Plasma brings a cleaner interface on top of a new graphics stack \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing Project Zero http://t.co/x7nl7S33z2	Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489064286325469184	Jul 15 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Announcing Project Zero \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “To whom much has been given, much is expected	Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	in return” – Free Software economics	Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PAXYc3oOWX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084786653155328	Jul 15 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| “To whom much has been given, much is expected in return” – Free Software economics \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Linux Desktop: Top 10 Candidates	Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R2QFShqsVW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084787231961088	Jul 15 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best Linux Desktop: Top 10 Candidates \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/YgLXE8tNIf	Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084787865309185	Jul 15 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 17:54
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schestowitz	_Goblin: he	Jul 15 19:01
schestowitz	hey	Jul 15 19:01
_Goblin	hi there!	Jul 15 19:01
_Goblin	hows things.	Jul 15 19:01
schestowitz	good. and you? Still in England?	Jul 15 19:10
_Goblin	yep	Jul 15 19:16
_Goblin	completed on house in US though now	Jul 15 19:17
_Goblin	we will be north east for the next few months at least tho...	Jul 15 19:18
_Goblin	so as of Aug we'll be quite close geographically	Jul 15 19:18
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2dthDSGkc#t=96	Jul 15 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Plasma 5.0 Visual Feature Guide - YouTube		Jul 15 19:20
DaemonFC	There's a ISO with KDS Plasma 5 on it to try out, based on Kubuntu.	Jul 15 19:20
DaemonFC	http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-latest.iso	Jul 15 19:21
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TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.75	Jul 15 19:24
schestowitz	DaemonFC: have you tried it yet?	Jul 15 19:24
schestowitz	If so, can you post what you're seeing now?	Jul 15 19:24
schestowitz	_Goblin: can we come to visit this summer or is it inconveniencing to others?	Jul 15 19:25
schestowitz	_Goblin: I read your article today. Let's hope we can resume the show as a sort of trans-Atlantic thing	Jul 15 19:25
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DaemonFC	I'm in the middle of downloading it. I figured I'd make a Live USB out of it and take it for a spin, to see what's going on.	Jul 15 19:29
_Goblin	not at all....we'll be in Seaham this summer...	Jul 15 19:30
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_Goblin	as for transatlantic stuff...if you make a G+ account we can work it no probs....I've done a recording with someone from PA.	Jul 15 19:31
schestowitz	I can do that	Jul 15 19:31
schestowitz	The show can then be made video-based too, though I guess the formats would annoy some	Jul 15 19:32
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I'm downloading it. I'll take screenshots while I'm using it.	Jul 15 19:32
schestowitz	if you do some techrights ones, I will share in twitter tomorrow	Jul 15 19:38
schestowitz	_Goblin: caught up with the other two messages (I had restarted konversation). Yes, we need to arrange to meet up (the wives too) some time this summer	Jul 15 19:47
DaemonFC	I'm amazed at how much HexChat has cleaned up the old XChat code.	Jul 15 19:47
DaemonFC	I don't remember XChat ever working this well.	Jul 15 19:47
DaemonFC	I wonder whatever happened to that XChat-GNOME thing. GNOME seems to be writing a new IRC program, so I take it they didn't rebase the old one off of HexChat.	Jul 15 19:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4404699	Jul 15 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Still no lawsuit from #noip or its customers against #microsoft - perhaps proving that you can freely commit crimes when you're large enough		Jul 15 19:49
schestowitz	"Waiting for that too."	Jul 15 19:49
schestowitz	XChat always worked well for me	Jul 15 19:49
schestowitz	I have run it non-stop (maybe half a day downtime twice in all those years) since 2008	Jul 15 19:50
DaemonFC	Any plans to move to HexChat now that XChat is dead?	Jul 15 19:50
DaemonFC	http://hexchat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/changelog.html	Jul 15 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hexchat.readthedocs.org \| HexChat ChangeLog — HexChat 2.10.0 documentation		Jul 15 19:51
DaemonFC	The changelog is pretty extensive.	Jul 15 19:51
schestowitz	I have scripts tied to xchat	Jul 15 19:53
schestowitz	I run it on two machines	Jul 15 19:54
schestowitz	actually, on three	Jul 15 19:54
schestowitz	Debian, Kubuntu, and my laptop	Jul 15 19:54
schestowitz	So moving to something that might not be on the repos or consistently built might not offer any gains	Jul 15 19:54
DaemonFC	Fedora is carrying both and has backported some of the patches to XChat to fix major problems.	Jul 15 19:55
MinceR	DaemonFC: sometimes i would want the two UIs to be the same	Jul 15 20:06
MinceR	but not always	Jul 15 20:06
MinceR	i suspect that xchat scripts would run mostly (or completely) the same on hexchat	Jul 15 20:07
MinceR	it's the same codebase, after all	Jul 15 20:07
MinceR	as for the winblows xp thing, i'd really like to see a good task scheduler	Jul 15 20:08
MinceR	on whatever kernel	Jul 15 20:08
schestowitz	it seems like lots of work for no gain	Jul 15 20:11
schestowitz	I don't use xchat for features, just for logging, and it's stable, not just light	Jul 15 20:12
MinceR	an upgrade is "lots of work"? :>	Jul 15 20:16
schestowitz	yes	Jul 15 20:19
schestowitz	it's not a simple upgrade but a package swap	Jul 15 20:19
schestowitz	for little or no substantial gain	Jul 15 20:19
DaemonFC	Those are the best kind!	Jul 15 20:43
schestowitz	plasma 5 demos hardly show me any new features	Jul 15 21:07
schestowitz	except search-related, which I'd never allow (indexing is a waste)	Jul 15 21:08
DaemonFC	Baloo improved things a lot.	Jul 15 21:09
DaemonFC	I think they switched over to Baloo on KDE 4 at the last minute to get rid of one of the major warts that never had been addressed up to that point. Nepomuk.	Jul 15 21:12
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DaemonFC	Well, that was unimpressive.	Jul 15 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/7ZZoXbP8wP	Jul 15 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084788452491265	Jul 15 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/6pdzQ9xDTa	Jul 15 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084789345902592	Jul 15 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FFmpeg 2.2.5 Officially Released	Jul 15 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MR3JbU4PQ7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146020010283009	Jul 15 22:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FFmpeg 2.2.5 Officially Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.10 Receives Its Third Update Pack	Jul 15 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	and Linux Kernel 3.15 Support	Jul 15 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vKtQnraQpA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146020647813120	Jul 15 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro 0.8.10 Receives Its Third Update Pack and Linux Kernel 3.15 Support \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Advances JPEG Encoding with mozjpeg 2.0	Jul 15 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zNYdM4TcEB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146021272756225	Jul 15 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mozilla Advances JPEG Encoding with mozjpeg 2.0 \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 22:18
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, https://i.imgur.com/NBOfnu0.png	Jul 15 23:08
DaemonFC	https://i.imgur.com/aKRg9Mb.png	Jul 15 23:08
DaemonFC	https://imgur.com/n9S6cIq	Jul 15 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| imgur: the simple image sharer		Jul 15 23:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines $35 OpenWRT SBC targets educational apps	Jul 15 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oMWDTZq1BV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146021851582464	Jul 15 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| $35 OpenWRT SBC targets educational apps \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Imad Sousou: The Future of Linux and Intel in	Jul 16 00:00
TweetTuxMachines	the New Connected World http://t.co/sJffkFPPfP	Jul 16 00:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 00:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146022510088192	Jul 16 00:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Imad Sousou: The Future of Linux and Intel in the New Connected World \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 00:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Offers Up A Free Crash Course In Android	Jul 16 00:08
TweetTuxMachines	Development http://t.co/XQJt6rOTOK	Jul 16 00:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 00:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489157034932068353	Jul 16 00:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google Offers Up A Free Crash Course In Android Development \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 00:08
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4409089	Jul 16 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's mouthpiece at #CondeNasty (Ars) is upset that #Microsoft is abandoning #Windows http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/android-apps-on-windows-phone-would-be-an-ugly-capitulation/		Jul 16 08:00
schestowitz	"To be fair, Android apps on a Windows platform would be gross. I already dislike this whole "fake native" solution of just having enough of a runtime to run Android apps because your own platform doesn't get enough traction. The whole thing is sloppy as hell."	Jul 16 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Android apps on Windows Phone would be an ugly capitulation \| Ars Technica		Jul 16 08:00
schestowitz	"This article silently asserts that developers are writing applications for Windows, as if it were still 1995. They are not. The rest of the article rambles on pointlessly."	Jul 16 08:01
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4405855	Jul 16 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Presumption of guilt based on garments http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jasjit-singh/the-nsa-mohammed-raghead-_b_5584736.html		Jul 16 08:01
schestowitz	"Ignorance ...."	Jul 16 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com \| "Mohammed Raghead" and Fighting the Anti-Turban Bias that Plagues Our Land of Liberty \| Jasjit Singh		Jul 16 08:01
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4409096	Jul 16 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Western media's coverage of #ukraine is so deceiving that one is likely to get a better analysis from Ukranians on the streets		Jul 16 08:01
schestowitz	"If you have Ukrainian aquaintances."	Jul 16 08:01
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4409065	Jul 16 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "working to change state law to legalize the activities under investigation." http://www.prwatch.org/news/2014/07/12536/after-john-doe-subpoenas-wi-gop-sought-quietly-change-law #wisconsin apes #uk on #surveillance		Jul 16 08:02
schestowitz	"So typical of our lawless oligarchs."	Jul 16 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.prwatch.org \| Exclusive: After Subpoenas in Walker Criminal Probe, WI GOP Sought to Quietly Change Law \| PR Watch		Jul 16 08:02
schestowitz	> http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/14/this-is-why-the-government-should-never-control-the-internet/	Jul 16 08:07
schestowitz	>	Jul 16 08:07
schestowitz	> The Post of course.	Jul 16 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| This is why the government should never control the internet - The Washington Post		Jul 16 08:07
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 08:20
DaemonFC	There are only two kinds of Mac in the "mainstream" market.	Jul 16 08:20
DaemonFC	Slow and 'spensive and less slow and "arm, leg, eye, kidney, and testicle" 'spensive.	Jul 16 08:20
DaemonFC	When Apple introduced the $1099 iMac recently, Ars Technica did a write up that concluded that you lost roughly 50% of the performance from the $1299 model, to save 18% of your money.	Jul 16 08:20
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/07/1099-imac-review-lose-50-of-your-performance-to-save-18-of-the-money/	Jul 16 08:20
DaemonFC	Staggering? Not really. People who keep an eye on Apple know that if the price seems too good to be true, it's probably junk.	Jul 16 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| $1,099 iMac review: Lose 50% of your performance to save 18% of the money \| Ars Technica		Jul 16 08:21
DaemonFC	You could get yourself a niiiiiiiiiice PC for $1099 or a severely brain damaged iMac. Your call.	Jul 16 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE 5 is Here, LibreSSL Unsafe, and Debian 7.6	Jul 16 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	Released http://t.co/yokbF8bdLb	Jul 16 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311559802302464	Jul 16 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE 5 is Here, LibreSSL Unsafe, and Debian 7.6 Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 08:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tiny module runs Linux and LabView on ARM/FPGA	Jul 16 08:49
TweetTuxMachines	SoC http://t.co/NCy9BTuOeE	Jul 16 08:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 08:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311560393699328	Jul 16 08:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tiny module runs Linux and LabView on ARM/FPGA SoC \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 08:49
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489202878658379776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489203164416319488	Jul 16 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #DRIP heroes, round one https://t.co/E5hgZTe5AD "Voting against the programme motion - ... https://t.co/TGlCFJulPs		Jul 16 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.openrightsgroup.org \| Open Rights Group - #DRIP heroes, round one		Jul 16 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com \| #DRIP heroes, rou...		Jul 16 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "working to change state law to legalize the activities under investigation." http://t.co/xoPoMjJm0T #wisconsin apes #uk on #surveillance		Jul 16 09:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489202817971007488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489202878658379776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489203164416319488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489205646047580160 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489205757234388992	Jul 16 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CISA: The Banks Want Immunity and a Public-Private War Council http://t.co/HPL5Eua9fH #banks work directly with Keith Alexander now. #cisa		Jul 16 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.emptywheel.net \| CISA: The Banks Want Immunity and a Public-Private War Council \| emptywheel		Jul 16 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dan Goodin (Cande Nasty) and his longtime Jihad against Linux security reputation carries on http://t.co/7sEKp2PEWh		Jul 16 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Only a few days old, OpenSSL fork LibreSSL is declared “unsafe for Linux” \| Ars Technica		Jul 16 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: [recent enough to be relevant] #Mozilla Revenue Tops $311 Million http://t.co/BclolRg2on it will survive, surely...		Jul 16 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eweek.com \| Mozilla Revenue Tops $311 Million From Open-Source Technology		Jul 16 09:05
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4409096 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4409097	Jul 16 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Western media's coverage of #ukraine is so deceiving that one is likely to get a better analysis from Ukranians on the streets		Jul 16 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Filtering (by editing) voices on the streets to suit a narrative that a broadcast company already chose is neither journalism nor reporting		Jul 16 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Detailed review of Plasma 5	Jul 16 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4KLEbsBDX2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311561194811392	Jul 16 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Detailed review of Plasma 5 \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KaOS Calms Down KDE http://t.co/nG2SbI0qZx	Jul 16 09:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 09:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311561756856320	Jul 16 09:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KaOS Calms Down KDE \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 09:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to use public PCs safely with Linux	Jul 16 09:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rza57EfX6E (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 09:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489322112327245825	Jul 16 09:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to use public PCs safely with Linux \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 09:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 9 Core and Ultimate are released	Jul 16 10:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kiR8thwq7g (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 10:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489322112981532672	Jul 16 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Zorin OS 9 Core and Ultimate are released \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE Announcement	Jul 16 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kw8bdZbipV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489322113531002880	Jul 16 10:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE Announcement \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 10:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04: The good, the bad, the Unity	Jul 16 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RdgVOlZRVr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332511231586305	Jul 16 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04: The good, the bad, the Unity \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 10:22
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 10:35
DaemonFC	Microsoft is talking about a product that doesn't exist (Windows 9) and may not exist for years, to suppress criticism of Windows 8.	Jul 16 10:35
DaemonFC	With Microsoft, the "new version that fixes everything you hate" is always just around the corner. They've been pulling that trick for three decades now, because it works.	Jul 16 10:35
DaemonFC	They started talking about a "more reliable dos-less Windows" for consumer PCs back in the 1980s. Guess when consumers got their "more reliable dos-less Windows"? Late 2001.	Jul 16 10:35
DaemonFC	Their "Evangelism" guide clearly states that when people talk poorly of the current software, you try to change the focus to something that doesn't exist and is right around the corner, any minute now.	Jul 16 10:35
DaemonFC	The old tricks are the best tricks. They're even "leaking" out mocked up screen shots again. Will people ever learn?	Jul 16 10:35
DaemonFC	If people still hate Windows 9, they'll have the "Windows 10 promotion machine" while underway, and then they'll have another tool at their disposal. "Windows 7 is almost end of life. You don't have a choice."	Jul 16 10:41
DaemonFC	well	Jul 16 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux for cars: Automotive Grade Linux rivals	Jul 16 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	CarPlay and Android Auto http://t.co/GPXjoAjxU7	Jul 16 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332511827177472	Jul 16 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux for cars: Automotive Grade Linux rivals CarPlay and Android Auto \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Seagate rolls out NAS range with its own	Jul 16 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-based operating system	Jul 16 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1GntzM8edW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332512552792066	Jul 16 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Seagate rolls out NAS range with its own Linux-based operating system \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi 2 expected in 2017, Foundation	Jul 16 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	focussed on software for now	Jul 16 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/k1jHHcdCyf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332513332928512	Jul 16 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspberry Pi 2 expected in 2017, Foundation focussed on software for now \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel to ship Galileo Gen2 open-source computer	Jul 16 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	in August for $60 http://t.co/Dvgoa0IaLV	Jul 16 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342500251762688	Jul 16 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel to ship Galileo Gen2 open-source computer in August for $60 \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cloud, open source power TransLink's Web	Jul 16 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	presence http://t.co/OU9CEAqKQO	Jul 16 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342500981571585	Jul 16 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Cloud, open source power TransLink's Web presence \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 11:18
DaemonFC	https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/CurrentBudgetFAQ	Jul 16 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.gnome.org \| FoundationBoard/CurrentBudgetFAQ - GNOME Wiki!		Jul 16 11:25
*DaemonFC head desks		Jul 16 11:25
DaemonFC	They're out of cash because they spent too much on the Outreach Program for Women?	Jul 16 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Crowdfunding for open source software	Jul 16 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YdEuDJ3tRm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342501715574784	Jul 16 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Crowdfunding for open source software \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 11:26
DaemonFC	http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.13.3.php	Jul 16 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org \| KDE - KDE Ships July Updates to Applications, Platform and Plasma Workspaces		Jul 16 12:08
DaemonFC	A whole bunch of old Konqueror/KHTML bugs got closed.	Jul 16 12:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189774	Jul 16 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189774 )		Jul 16 12:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274534	Jul 16 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274534 )		Jul 16 12:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279241	Jul 16 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279241 )		Jul 16 12:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301588	Jul 16 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301588 )		Jul 16 12:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336041	Jul 16 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336041 )		Jul 16 12:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336046	Jul 16 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336046 )		Jul 16 12:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336940	Jul 16 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336940 )		Jul 16 12:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337000	Jul 16 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337000 )		Jul 16 12:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337008	Jul 16 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337008 )		Jul 16 12:11
DaemonFC	It's nice to see them fixing up some of this before they leave KDE 4 behind.	Jul 16 12:11
DaemonFC	5 bugs were fixed in KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.11.11 and 55 were fixed in Applications 4.13.3.	Jul 16 12:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How open source can solve Silicon Valley's	Jul 16 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	engineering crisis http://t.co/I8P7MX3Mel	Jul 16 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342502655119361	Jul 16 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How open source can solve Silicon Valley's engineering crisis \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DistroWatch resolves its domain registrar	Jul 16 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	problems http://t.co/FyuVZkfXKy	Jul 16 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342503317815296	Jul 16 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| DistroWatch resolves its domain registrar problems \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Next Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE)	Jul 16 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	Versions May Be Built Only On The Stable	Jul 16 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	Versions Of Debian http://t.co/dCjtecWSIl	Jul 16 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489353356716941312	Jul 16 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Next Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) Versions May Be Built Only On The Stable Versions Of Debian \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 14:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/UGbk6X6b5P	Jul 16 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrh1j	Jul 16 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/7QzVyrUaAl	Jul 16 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrh28	Jul 16 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Applications and Platform 4.13.3 Is the	Jul 16 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	Last Update in the Series	Jul 16 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HoU27XNpWh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrh2n	Jul 16 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Applications and Platform 4.13.3 Is the Last Update in the Series \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/T3oEzUkbrQ	Jul 16 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrh2x	Jul 16 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 20:53
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 20:58
DaemonFC	Windows is a great way to see more of your family outside of the holiday seasons.	Jul 16 20:58
DaemonFC	Just give them a laptop with Windows on it for Christmas, and they'll be breaking down your door all the time asking you to un**** it for them. ;)	Jul 16 20:58
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 20:58
DaemonFC	I knew good things were in the pipeline when Google bought Android and I heard "linux" and "phone",	Jul 16 20:58
DaemonFC	It felt like I waited forever to have the opportunity to buy a smartphone, because none existed before that.	Jul 16 20:58
DaemonFC	I'm watching Firefox OS, but right now it still sounds a lot like the first iPhone, where it was just a web browser on a phone and Jobs was all like "Apps!? We don't need apps!". Bleh!	Jul 16 20:58
MinceR	huh? smartphones existed long before that	Jul 16 20:59
MinceR	treos, for example	Jul 16 21:01
DaemonFC	What's a treos?	Jul 16 21:09
MinceR	plural of treo.	Jul 16 21:31
abeNd-org	oh the old Treos were great	Jul 16 21:33
abeNd-org	650 was the first great smartphone	Jul 16 21:33
abeNd-org	palm lacked in the marketing dept, which was kinda sad	Jul 16 21:34
MinceR	indeed	Jul 16 21:36
MinceR	also kinda sad when they licensed a kernel that could multitask but didn't pay enough for multitasking	Jul 16 21:37
MinceR	and so they couldn't multitask when symbian could	Jul 16 21:38
DaemonFC	That sucks. Why couldn't they just use a Free kernel?	Jul 16 21:38
MinceR	dunno	Jul 16 21:38
MinceR	they would have used one in Palm OS 6	Jul 16 21:38
MinceR	but that didn't happen	Jul 16 21:38
MinceR	they came up with webOS instead	Jul 16 21:38
MinceR	but that had a free kernel too :>	Jul 16 21:38
DaemonFC	That's always funny when a company has a product that could be good, but they nickel and dime it to death and they tank.	Jul 16 21:39
MinceR	indeed	Jul 16 21:41
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Treo	Jul 16 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Palm Treo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 16 21:51
DaemonFC	Windows Mobile	Jul 16 21:51
DaemonFC	Blecth!	Jul 16 21:51
MinceR	normally they shipped Palm OS, though	Jul 16 21:52
MinceR	funny how they had to shrink the screen for the winblows versions because poor little winblows mobile couldn't handle more than 320x240 pixels	Jul 16 21:52
MinceR	typical microsoft scalability.	Jul 16 21:52
abeNd-org	the centro was a great phone	Jul 16 21:56
abeNd-org	the last palmos 5.x, & solid little phone too	Jul 16 21:57
abeNd-org	it was "small" but the keyboard was still plenty usable	Jul 16 21:57
abeNd-org	& it could survive mother in laws running theirs through the wash twice	Jul 16 21:57
abeNd-org	3rd time killed the battery	Jul 16 21:57
abeNd-org	then we got her a palm pixi, she did the same thing to it too, it lasted through 2 washings & the 3rd killed the mic/speakers/battery, but the device would still power on	Jul 16 21:58
MinceR	i don't know why people treat their phones so harshly	Jul 16 22:00
abeNd-org	knock on particle board, ive never broken one of mine	Jul 16 22:02
abeNd-org	the MiL's excuse is the centro/pixi were so light she didnt notice them in her pockets, & she is a taller woman so those phone were pretty small	Jul 16 22:03
abeNd-org	so now shes got an iphone with one of those obnoxiously large gorilla cases	Jul 16 22:03
abeNd-org	but when she had the centro/pixi she used them, so they werent a problem for an "elderly" person	Jul 16 22:04
MinceR	i did have a phone the hinge mechanism in which broke the thing from the inside	Jul 16 22:04
abeNd-org	the iphone though her brother suggested, she cant stand :P	Jul 16 22:04
MinceR	it might have had a crack prior to it though, i'm not sure	Jul 16 22:04
MinceR	http://www.szeretlekmagyarorszag.hu/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/asp_620_kerekessz.jpg	Jul 16 22:07
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schestowitz	heh	Jul 16 22:29
DaemonFC	Japa Mala Illo My hexchat experience is too awesome, I can't handle it. Do you have a fix for that?	Jul 16 22:32
DaemonFC	HexChat Um, how about... switching to mIRC for a while?	Jul 16 22:33
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 16 22:33
abeNd-org	pidgin ftw!	Jul 16 22:33
MinceR	lol	Jul 16 22:33
abeNd-org	sync my profiles/settings/etc cross platform via dropbox	Jul 16 22:34
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks for the screenshots, will use them soon	Jul 16 22:34
abeNd-org	seriously, pidgin is great, i have aim/yahoo/msn/skype/multiple irc networks/steam/google chat/groupwise IM all in one interface	Jul 16 22:34
DaemonFC	abeNd-org, Have you heard of Telepathy?	Jul 16 22:35
DaemonFC	It has the Haze plug-in too, so it can tap into libpurple.	Jul 16 22:35
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abeNd-org	no,i havent	Jul 16 22:36
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abeNd-org	doesnt look crossplatform	Jul 16 22:37
DaemonFC	It has a frontend for GNOME and KDE that I know of.	Jul 16 22:37
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepathy_(software)	Jul 16 22:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Telepathy (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hrhir ]		Jul 16 22:38
abeNd-org	yea, but for work i still have to use windows, no matter how much people here hate it, it still dominates the enterprise	Jul 16 22:38
MinceR	the enterprise does not consist entirely of desktop pc-s	Jul 16 22:40
MinceR	and some enterprises have minimal winblows usage	Jul 16 22:40
abeNd-org	all the ones i work for do	Jul 16 22:41
MinceR	sucks to be them	Jul 16 22:41
abeNd-org	well, going back to financial apps, there are no alternatives on linux for the likes of http://www.cchgroup.com/roles/accounting-firms/prosystem-fx	Jul 16 22:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cchgroup.com \| ProSystem fx® Suite [ http://ur1.ca/hrhjb ]		Jul 16 22:42
abeNd-org	so, there is no way they could use linux if they wanted to	Jul 16 22:42
MinceR	yeah, there's no way such software could be developed for GNU/Linux	Jul 16 22:43
MinceR	or ported to it	Jul 16 22:43
MinceR	right?	Jul 16 22:43
MinceR	also, wine doesn't exist	Jul 16 22:43
abeNd-org	developer wont port to linux & doesnt support it running on wine, already asked	Jul 16 22:43
MinceR	then they'll be beaten by somebody who will	Jul 16 22:44
abeNd-org	& when it comes to dealing with company/rich individual taxes, you dont want to screw up things	Jul 16 22:44
MinceR	exactly	Jul 16 22:44
MinceR	so you don't want to run microsoft software	Jul 16 22:44
abeNd-org	so far no one has even talked about linux alternatives	Jul 16 22:44
MinceR	so they do want to screw up things, after all	Jul 16 22:44
MinceR	good for them	Jul 16 22:44
abeNd-org	so, if there is no linux alternative, & none on the horizon, you cant use a non-existent linux product	Jul 16 22:45
MinceR	yeah, it's not like a business could pay someone to develop a new product	Jul 16 22:45
MinceR	such things never happen.	Jul 16 22:45
abeNd-org	yes, but you have full vendor support running it in a supported environment, and if something is hosed up, it is on the vendor's head. if i were to run this in linux/wine, it would be on my head	Jul 16 22:45
abeNd-org	yes, sure, someone could, but no one has	Jul 16 22:46
MinceR	interesting how that vendor believes they can support an environment that is under microsoft's control	Jul 16 22:46
abeNd-org	feel free to email & ask them about it	Jul 16 22:46
MinceR	i don't care that much	Jul 16 22:47
abeNd-org	i already have & they said no linux, not even on the back end	Jul 16 22:47
MinceR	i'm not the customer	Jul 16 22:47
MinceR	if they insist on being incompetent, maybe it will doom them one day, maybe it won't	Jul 16 22:47
abeNd-org	& that is just one example, http://www.shelbysystems.com/ is another example that is pure windows, & there is no linux alternative	Jul 16 22:47
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MinceR	i'm sure lots of businessed to church management	Jul 16 22:48
MinceR	s/d to/s do/	Jul 16 22:48
abeNd-org	I have plenty of linux back end servers for file/print/dns/dhcp/etc at different customers, but if the product is mssql based, then it is going to be on windows, & if there is no alternative, then you are stuck with windows	Jul 16 22:48
MinceR	if the product is mssql based then it's going to suck	Jul 16 22:49
MinceR	i've used mssql once and it was enough for life	Jul 16 22:49
abeNd-org	another one that is windows only & there is no linux (server or client) alternative http://www.librarica.com/	Jul 16 22:51
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abeNd-org	id love some patron management software that can manage windows/linux/osx with a windows or linux backend & is SIP2 compliant so it can dovetail properly into http://evergreen-ils.org/egdownloads/ (which actually does have a linux backend & windows/linux clients)	Jul 16 22:52
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abeNd-org	even simple things like the management software to access points http://www.ubnt.com/download/ run apache for windows, but don't have a linux version	Jul 16 22:55
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MinceR	some of it will probably be taken care of by the cloud hype	Jul 16 22:55
MinceR	after all, if your clients are just using a web browser, it doesn't matter that much if they move to a different platform	Jul 16 22:56
abeNd-org	right, & a lot of that cloud will be windows powered	Jul 16 22:56
MinceR	unlikely	Jul 16 22:56
abeNd-org	again, if there isnt a linux version of it, you cant run it in linux	Jul 16 22:56
MinceR	again, if your business needs a GNU/Linux version, it will have one made	Jul 16 22:57
abeNd-org	why would a company spend its own money for someone to create a full featured enterprise app when one that does everything they need already exists?	Jul 16 22:57
MinceR	the company would have to spend its own money on it anyway	Jul 16 22:58
abeNd-org	forget the platform, it doesnt make sense to build from scratch	Jul 16 22:58
MinceR	notice how these companies all want to sell it	Jul 16 22:58
MinceR	it made sense to build from scratch for the ones you're linking to	Jul 16 22:58
MinceR	afaik those markets aren't barred to newcomers yet	Jul 16 22:58
abeNd-org	i know a lot of auto dealerships around here all had customer built auto software, some windows, some linux, most have quit developing it & moved to the ADP platform because it had way more options than their internally maintained ever did	Jul 16 22:59
abeNd-org	& the ADP platform is on windows for the backend, & while the front end is webbased it still uses .net for windows	Jul 16 22:59
abeNd-org	& those that did have linux custom backends only had windows clients, because everything else in the business at the client level ran on windows	Jul 16 23:01
MinceR	preach on, i've got to get some sleep now	Jul 16 23:03
abeNd-org	as i said, ive got plenty of linux back end	Jul 16 23:04
abeNd-org	but if there isnt linux software for task X, then i cant use linux for it	Jul 16 23:04
MinceR	as i said, if i'm a business, and i need GNU/Linux software for task X, i'll have GNU/Linux software for task X	Jul 16 23:05
MinceR	that's how business works	Jul 16 23:05
abeNd-org	then there isnt much demand for GNU/Linux software for common enterprise tasks	Jul 16 23:06
abeNd-org	^outside of the server room	Jul 16 23:06
MinceR	microsoft is working on that	Jul 16 23:06
MinceR	case in point: vista, 7, 8	Jul 16 23:06
abeNd-org	accounting/hr/etc	Jul 16 23:06
abeNd-org	well, no one has stepped up as of yet to provide a meaningful GNU/Linux alternative to any of the softwares ive mentioned	Jul 16 23:07
abeNd-org	if they did, & companies thought it usable, they would have bought it	Jul 16 23:08
abeNd-org	or, dared to go the self support route if there was no company behind the opensource version	Jul 16 23:08
abeNd-org	& sometimes even with opensource versions that work just fine there is no business buy in	Jul 16 23:09
abeNd-org	i deployed dotproject, ldap enabled it for logins, etc as an alternative to buying msproject/project server for all the managers	Jul 16 23:09
abeNd-org	they tried it for a few days, said no, & submitted the PO for msproject	Jul 16 23:09
abeNd-org	same with openfire/spark, great IM server, but doesnt hold a candle optionwise to things like GroupwiseIM, lotus sametime, or microsoft lync	Jul 16 23:13
abeNd-org	ive done plenty of ldap enabled openfire servers against AD & eDirectory, worked great, but users wanted more options than it could provide	Jul 16 23:14
MinceR	yeah, AD was so great when it forgot my password	Jul 16 23:15
MinceR	so was exchange when it delivered my mail into the trash for a week, and then deleted them	Jul 16 23:15
MinceR	companies will go with microsoft if they don't mind losing their data	Jul 16 23:15
MinceR	it's their problem	Jul 16 23:15
abeNd-org	i havent seen ad or edir forget a users password, seen plenty of pebkac issues along those lines though :P	Jul 16 23:16
abeNd-org	but ive seen every mail system hose up, google apps (not talking gmail), exchange, lotus notes, groupwise (be it on windows, linux, or netware)	Jul 16 23:17
MinceR	must have been pebkac that a password stored in various places suddenly wasn't considered correct	Jul 16 23:17
MinceR	must be a lot simpler explanation than a single point of failure, right?	Jul 16 23:17
abeNd-org	im not sure what was hosed up in that particular AD enviroment, not saying it couldnt have done it, im just saying i havent seen it in the many networks ive worked with	Jul 16 23:18
MinceR	also, i'm sure all companies can afford the loss of productivity that randomly losing focus and randomly rebooting causes	Jul 16 23:18
MinceR	and the retraining for each new winblows and office version must be without cost as well	Jul 16 23:18
abeNd-org	that said i am sure openldap isnt perfect either	Jul 16 23:18
MinceR	so you don't know but you knock it because it isn't microsoft	Jul 16 23:19
abeNd-org	oh man, openoffice/libreoffice, i have tried & tried to get buy in with that, even on windows	Jul 16 23:19
abeNd-org	but when they try to open a simple word doc & formatting is all hosed up, they give up on it	Jul 16 23:19
MinceR	so they've locked their documents into a broken proprietary format	Jul 16 23:20
MinceR	and it's OO/LO's fault	Jul 16 23:20
abeNd-org	or features, say excel's pivot table https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guide/Calc_and_Excel - even the wiki says OO is limited in it's ability compared to excel	Jul 16 23:23
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abeNd-org	so if the user needs the option & the GNU/Linux software doesnt provide it, they arent going to use it	Jul 16 23:24
abeNd-org	in the end, it is the end user/manager that writes the check, so what they say goes, & if they want a windows version, then that is what they get	Jul 16 23:28
abeNd-org	i do my best to educate them on the alternatives if there are any	Jul 16 23:28
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schestowitz	With the ability to manipulate polls, Western spooks have a strong toolbox which includes manipulating opinions on an oppressor or occupier in foreign nations	Jul 17 01:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No Chaos KaOS, LibreSSL Fixed, and More KDE 5	Jul 17 11:50
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schestowitz	> http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/07/17/microsoft-job-cuts/12772901/	Jul 17 18:49
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schestowitz	> What to you want to bet that the severance packages contain	Jul 17 18:49
schestowitz	> non-disparagement / non-compete clauses of some kind? They will spread	Jul 17 18:49
schestowitz	> like a cloud of toxins to new employers. And how many temps /	Jul 17 18:49
schestowitz	> permatemps are going, too?	Jul 17 18:49
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DaemonFC	They named the infirmary at the Miami County Correctional Facility after my aunt.	Jul 17 18:58
DaemonFC	The dedication ceremony was today.	Jul 17 18:58
schestowitz	> http://www.infoworld.com/t/open-source-software/were-living-in-post-open-source-world-246448	Jul 17 19:10
schestowitz	>	Jul 17 19:10
schestowitz	> trolling for Black Duck	Jul 17 19:10
schestowitz	Unfortunately, the problem is this case is what Red Hat called "Asayroll" (troll) and I call Mac Asay. He used to be a fan of the GPL but then turned against it. Black Duck is just one among several data points he uses. I think the other one is (at least was) partly Microsoft-funded.	Jul 17 19:10
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4415469	Jul 17 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #cbs #cnet has removed (censored I assume) a classic article about company that ditched Microsoft. Follow links: http://mrpogson.com/2013/02/14/50-years-old-and-12-years-free-of-m-ernie-ball/		Jul 17 19:25
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schestowitz	"The BSA was one of the biggest reasons I left Windows. It's stupid to prosecute sysadmins since we usually cannot decide what software to use, and refusing to install pirated software is an invitation to be fired. That's why I left the Windows license management and BSA problems to Windows lovers long time ago. And fuck #Microsoft."	Jul 17 19:25
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4417879	Jul 17 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Reporting about #nsa has helped The Guardian http://adage.com/article/media/mec-exec-eamonn-store-named-ceo-guardian-u-s/294120/ there is still a market for facts, too, not propaganda		Jul 17 19:29
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DaemonFC	GNOME Web 3.12.1 beat Firefox 30 on Peacekeeper. Web scored 2644 and Firefox 30 scored 2512.	Jul 17 19:29
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4417645	Jul 17 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The World's Next Major Trade Agreement Will Make #NSA Spying Even Easier http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-trans-pacific-partnership-will-make-nsa-spying-easier all about serving those in power		Jul 17 19:30
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DaemonFC	I just edited it to have it subscribe to Easylist+EasyPrivacy and Fanboy's Annoyances.	Jul 17 19:49
DaemonFC	That seems to have gotten everything that Easylist missed by itself.	Jul 17 19:49
DaemonFC	and adblock warning removal list too. B-)	Jul 17 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Creator Linus Torvalds is Your Guide in	Jul 17 20:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UBUNTU 13.10 SAUCY SALAMANDER END OF LIFE: JULY	Jul 17 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	17, 2014 http://t.co/fGa8WRAcv2	Jul 17 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrp7r	Jul 17 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| UBUNTU 13.10 SAUCY SALAMANDER END OF LIFE: JULY 17, 2014 \| Tux Machines		Jul 17 20:47
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc0MzU	Jul 17 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Fedora 21 Starts Working Towards Its Alpha Release [ http://ur1.ca/hrq2h ]		Jul 17 22:05
DaemonFC	I've pulled in the latest GNOME 3.12 packages.	Jul 17 22:05
DaemonFC	I did up a sort of Classic Desktop and it seems to work fine.	Jul 17 22:05
DaemonFC	Their official Classic Session has a "blah" color scheme to it, so I just installed the extensions into the regular session.	Jul 17 22:06
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4420640	Jul 17 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jimmy Carter: “The Rest of the World, Almost Unanimously, Looks at America as the Number 1 Warmonger” http://www.globalresearch.ca/breakdown-in-diplomacy-at-the-un-security-council-who-is-behind-the-most-terrible-crimes-in-the-history-of-humanity-syria-or-the-us/5391402		Jul 17 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.globalresearch.ca \| Breakdown in Diplomacy at the UN Security Council. Who is Behind “The Most Terrible Crimes in the History of Humanity”, Syria or the US? \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/hrqat ]		Jul 17 22:40
schestowitz	"Which they are , aren't they?"	Jul 17 22:40
schestowitz	"I'm not seeing any counter arguments here. And I am offering none."	Jul 17 22:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4420354	Jul 17 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CIA drones kill at least 13 in Pakistan: the bloodiest strike for more than a year http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/07/16/cia-drones-kill-at-least-13-in-pakistan-the-bloodiest-strike-for-more-than-a-year/ suspected adults		Jul 17 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thebureauinvestigates.com \| CIA drones kill at least 13 in Pakistan: the bloodiest strike for more than a year \| The Bureau of Investigative Journalism [ http://ur1.ca/hrqaz ]		Jul 17 22:40
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schestowitz	The "Lion of the Punjab"	Jul 17 22:40
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MianNawazSharif#United_States	Jul 17 22:40
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-tomaw-[Global Notice} Hi, sorry for the rerouting spam. I'm done now.		Jul 17 23:56
DaemonFC	So, I've been using GNOME Web for a couple of days now....	Jul 18 00:17
DaemonFC	It's actually pretty nice. It's fast, stable, and reasonably easy to use.	Jul 18 00:17
DaemonFC	I don't know why they renamed it "Web".	Jul 18 00:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Final Version of FreeBSD 9.3 Arrives with	Jul 18 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	Improved ZFS Filesystem http://t.co/uvfrxVhGND	Jul 18 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrqzi	Jul 18 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Final Version of FreeBSD 9.3 Arrives with Improved ZFS Filesystem \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 21 Starts Working Towards Its Alpha	Jul 18 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	Release http://t.co/19J6KCyz4y	Jul 18 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrqzm	Jul 18 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 21 Starts Working Towards Its Alpha Release \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 00:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenWRT adds IPv6, preps for IoT future	Jul 18 07:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jLYBhh8GRP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 07:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489920069904769024	Jul 18 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenWRT adds IPv6, preps for IoT future \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 07:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calibre 1.45 eBook Reader and Editor Brings	Jul 18 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements for Kindle Books	Jul 18 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Mc5Jxfoq09 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hru5r	Jul 18 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Calibre 1.45 eBook Reader and Editor Brings Improvements for Kindle Books \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Fitness Apps for Google Chrome and Chrome	Jul 18 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	OS http://t.co/30RVtYw1Gh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hru61	Jul 18 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best Fitness Apps for Google Chrome and Chrome OS \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 21 Alpha, Project Mayhem, and Linus'	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	Office http://t.co/zeLOgJCmFb	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut0	Jul 18 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 21 Alpha, Project Mayhem, and Linus' Office \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snowden on Dropbox: It’s hostile to privacy	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KFKkLiv3ZR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut1	Jul 18 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Snowden on Dropbox: It’s hostile to privacy \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RadeonSI Gallium3D Now Supports GL4 Indirect	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	Drawing Too http://t.co/f5cSwzr6dx	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut2	Jul 18 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| RadeonSI Gallium3D Now Supports GL4 Indirect Drawing Too \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromebook – What it is and what it isn’t.	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pirQVb6KBC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut3	Jul 18 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Chromebook – What it is and what it isn’t. \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Slackware Turns 21 Years Old	Jul 18 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sOOAaUVt67 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hruv1	Jul 18 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Slackware Turns 21 Years Old \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox OS lands in Germany – with France,	Jul 18 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	Asia, and more to come http://t.co/TmySe9Ql7w	Jul 18 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hruv5	Jul 18 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox OS lands in Germany – with France, Asia, and more to come \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Robolinux 7.5.5 Brings the Fully Encrypted	Jul 18 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	Cloud Service Spider Oak for Free to Its Users	Jul 18 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GZyg6X8Onb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hruvc	Jul 18 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Robolinux 7.5.5 Brings the Fully Encrypted Cloud Service Spider Oak for Free to Its Users \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:36
MinceR	geekings	Jul 18 09:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux System Administration Skills are Changing	Jul 18 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pMDDFlyidC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrvby	Jul 18 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux System Administration Skills are Changing \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A juggernaut like the NHS won’t find it easy to	Jul 18 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	drop Windows for open source - but it should	Jul 18 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5ZoCqDYN70 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrvc5	Jul 18 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A juggernaut like the NHS won’t find it easy to drop Windows for open source - but it should \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PredictionIO’s $2.5M money bag suggests	Jul 18 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	open-source is right for machine learning	Jul 18 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Wd1SNDA3ka (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrvc6	Jul 18 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| PredictionIO’s $2.5M money bag suggests open-source is right for machine learning \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 11:10
Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/staff/2014/07/op-ed-microsoft-layoff-e-mail-typifies-inhuman-corporate-insensitivity/	Jul 18 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Op-Ed: Microsoft layoff e-mail typifies inhuman corporate insensitivity \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hrvdl ]		Jul 18 11:17
Sosumi	this why you should always aim to be the employer and never the employe	Jul 18 11:18
Sosumi	and ofc, try to be better than that in case you’re actually the employer	Jul 18 11:18
Sosumi	because you might end up with egg in the face, specially if the employ decides to take on your IT infastrocture down the road once things have settled down	Jul 18 11:19
Sosumi	let’s hope someone set it on fire	Jul 18 11:20
Sosumi	just like on “office space” movie	Jul 18 11:20
Sosumi	http://images.tzaam.com/full/10k.jpg	Jul 18 11:32
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DaemonFC	Well, Polari still needs a lot of work.	Jul 18 12:37
DaemonFC	https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Polari	Jul 18 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.gnome.org \| Apps/Polari - GNOME Wiki!		Jul 18 12:37
DaemonFC	I tried the latest version, which is apparently easy to use, and I was dumbfounded and spent about 20 minutes yesterday just trying to get onto Freenode and into a chat room.	Jul 18 12:38
DaemonFC	Once I managed to do that, it insisted on opening up dialog tabs for Chanserv and Nickserv messages, when every other client I've seen that lasted more than 5 minutes on my computer just routed them into the main server tab and maybe the tab for the room I was looking at at the moment.	Jul 18 12:39
DaemonFC	When I tried closing the Chanserv and Nickserv tabs, it kept reopening them and alerting me to the last message again, opening a notification through GNOME's notification system.	Jul 18 12:40
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DaemonFC	It also has two independent network configuration applets. One of its own, and one that seems to work through the GNOME Accounts applet.	Jul 18 12:41
DaemonFC	It's a shame, because it could be a good program if it just worked a little bit differently, but there are no preferences to set.	Jul 18 12:41
DaemonFC	And the built-in configuration applet should die and bring up the global one.	Jul 18 12:42
*DaemonFC is always interested in trying out new software.		Jul 18 12:42
DaemonFC	I really like what they did with the rest of GNOME 3.12, but Linus Torvalds was right that some of the extensions should be there by default, and the Tweak Tool should be integrated into the Control Panel.	Jul 18 12:43
DaemonFC	What we have going on with the Tweak Tool is like that old Devil's Pie applet. GNOME keeps insisting that their way is better and we do not need customization or advanced preferences, and then they end up making it frustrating by default, but fixable with all this stuff that you apparently should just know exists.	Jul 18 12:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.10 Netbook Edition is now	Jul 18 14:20
TweetTuxMachines	available! http://t.co/hev1sNbvMo	Jul 18 14:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 14:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwcw	Jul 18 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro 0.8.10 Netbook Edition is now available! \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kerala Legislature announces smooth transition	Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	to free software http://t.co/MZzi8vE3WA	Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwcy	Jul 18 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kerala Legislature announces smooth transition to free software \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Avoid the Android vampire apps	Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UJcMTgRXsH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/490123825346920449	Jul 18 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Avoid the Android vampire apps \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 4.2 Beta 1 Is Now Based on XBMC	Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	“Gotham” 13.2 Beta 1 and Linux Kernel 3.15	Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gCoXoXiwIc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwd2	Jul 18 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenELEC 4.2 Beta 1 Is Now Based on XBMC “Gotham” 13.2 Beta 1 and Linux Kernel 3.15 \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/cyi1S4tn0g	Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwd4	Jul 18 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/L92vg1GMpb	Jul 18 14:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 14:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwds	Jul 18 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 14:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/lAGV6XedBc	Jul 18 14:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 14:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwe1	Jul 18 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 14:27
DaemonFC	https://ikt.id.au/2011/03/28/why-i-avoid-adobe.html	Jul 18 14:46
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 18 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ikt.id.au \| Why I avoid Adobe. [ http://ur1.ca/hrwi6 ]		Jul 18 14:46
MinceR	to be fair, their winblows support also sucks	Jul 18 14:47
MinceR	i've seen more powerful laptops than mine running it on winblows and struggling with smooth fullscreen video playback	Jul 18 14:47
MinceR	http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/debian/2010-08-28-windows-applications-making-grub2-unbootable.html	Jul 18 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chiark.greenend.org.uk \| Colin Watson [ http://ur1.ca/1cov4 ]		Jul 18 14:53
DaemonFC	http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/07/18/3461625/aids-experts-malaysian-plane/	Jul 18 15:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thinkprogress.org \| The Malaysian Plane Crash May Be A Major Blow To AIDS Research \| ThinkProgress		Jul 18 15:11
DaemonFC	Any bets on when the "because God" crowd makes an appearance?	Jul 18 15:14
MinceR	lol	Jul 18 15:17
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 18 15:22
DaemonFC	I've seen users who bought a Mac Pro to run Linux on[1], because trying to use OS X as UNIX is a real non-starter.	Jul 18 15:22
DaemonFC	One of them that I speak to regularly on IRC[2][3] just built a nice PC this time, because he didn't like the Trash Can Pro.	Jul 18 15:22
DaemonFC	[1] (Red Hat has enough paying customers in this configuration to officially support it. I feel sorry for whoever has to deal with the Mac issues)	Jul 18 15:22
DaemonFC	[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat	Jul 18 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Internet Relay Chat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hrwp9 ]		Jul 18 15:22
DaemonFC	[3] http://hexchat.github.io/	Jul 18 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hexchat.github.io \| Home – HexChat		Jul 18 15:22
DaemonFC	(from an Amazon post of mine)	Jul 18 15:22
DaemonFC	MinceR, I fear that the day is coming soon where I'm going to buy a new computer.	Jul 18 15:23
DaemonFC	If nothing else, because I can't put any more RAM into this one.	Jul 18 15:24
DaemonFC	So, I can either upgrade my computer or downgrade my software.	Jul 18 15:24
DaemonFC	Even downgrading my desktop environment to one of those little ones that drives me nuts will only buy time.	Jul 18 15:24
DaemonFC	The web is getting so bloated that some of my tabs are using 250 MB of RAM (Facebook!) or something close to that.	Jul 18 15:25
DaemonFC	One....fucking....tab. 250 MB of RAM. Fuck Fuck Fuck.	Jul 18 15:25
DaemonFC	Is this shit getting ridiculous yet>	Jul 18 15:25
DaemonFC	I remember when I had 256 MB of RAM in the whole computer and I though "Wow! What a badass system. Nothing I do will overrun 256 MB of RAM!".	Jul 18 15:26
MinceR	it's ridiculous	Jul 18 15:26
DaemonFC	Now, it's ONE Facebook tab.	Jul 18 15:26
MinceR	but don't use dumbFuckBook	Jul 18 15:26
MinceR	:>	Jul 18 15:26
DaemonFC	It's not just them.	Jul 18 15:27
MinceR	i'm considering a move to lightweight browsers for much of my browsing	Jul 18 15:27
DaemonFC	I've seen a tab with a simple web forum page loaded that was up over 180.	Jul 18 15:27
MinceR	(Links2, Linkx, Dillo)	Jul 18 15:27
DaemonFC	Yeah. "Modern" websites are obese.	Jul 18 15:27
MinceR	the modern web "standards" are part of the problem	Jul 18 15:27
DaemonFC	They don't actually add anything to the experience.	Jul 18 15:27
MinceR	way too complex	Jul 18 15:27
MinceR	conforming implementations can't help being extremely complex as a result	Jul 18 15:28
MinceR	this isn't exactly good for security either	Jul 18 15:28
DaemonFC	Yeah. When Apple forked KHTML and KJS it came in at about 150,000 lines of source code.	Jul 18 15:28
DaemonFC	Webkit is almost to 6 million lines now, I believe.	Jul 18 15:28
MinceR	and it still keeps crashing	Jul 18 15:28
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	Can you tell me anything that Apple has ever done to make computers better?	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	When they forked KHTML and KJS around 2003, it was 140,000 lines of source code.[1]	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	Now it's over 5,14 million.[2]	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	One browser tab that loaded Facebook in Safari will use about 250-300 MB of RAM. Your average Mac only has about 4 GB in the current offerings, but many have less than that. Tick, tock!	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	But, it's not like being able to upgrade your own RAM is important. rolls eyes Have fun destroying your Mac Mini or iMac in an attempt to do so, while you can, if Apple isn't soldering the modules in yet, like they do with the Macbook.[3]	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	[1] http://lists.kde.org/?m=104197092318639	Jul 18 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.kde.org \| '(fwd) Greetings from the Safari team at Apple Computer' - MARC		Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	Said Apple, "...When we were evaluating technologies over a year	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	ago, KHTML and KJS stood out. Not only were they the basis of an	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	excellent modern and standards compliant web browser, they were also	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	less than 140,000 lines of code. The size of your code and ease of	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	development within that code made it a better choice for us than other	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	open source projects."	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	[2] http://www.ohloh.net/p/WebKit	Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	[3] http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/13/teardown_of_retina_display_macbook_pro_finds_soldered_ram_propreitary_ssd	Jul 18 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ohloh.net \| The WebKit Open Source Project on Ohloh		Jul 18 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com \| Teardown of Retina MacBook Pro finds soldered RAM, proprietary SSD [ http://ur1.ca/hrwsb ]		Jul 18 15:37
DaemonFC	http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/05/glasshole-sh/	Jul 18 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org \| jwz: glasshole.sh [ http://ur1.ca/hrwth ]		Jul 18 15:43
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 18 15:43
DaemonFC	"Find and kick Google Glass devices from your local wireless network."	Jul 18 15:43
MinceR	find and kick crApple devices from your local wireless network.	Jul 18 15:53
DaemonFC	I modded my post about the Macs.	Jul 18 15:53
DaemonFC	"This is why the 2014 Mac Mini is generally worse than the PC I built in 2009, which I am typing this on. Also, the hard drive in the current $600 Mac Mini is still slower, the processor is slower, and the graphics chipset in the Mac Mini is horrendously underpowered compared to my Nvidia card. This goes along with the "Macs are a ripoff, no matter the model." maxim. They're targeting PC users who want to buy a Mac without taking out a	Jul 18 15:53
DaemonFC	second mortgage, but they're giving them a comically weak system that isn't even close to worth the money."	Jul 18 15:53
DaemonFC	"I could buy a new Mac, but what's the point of getting something slower than the five year old technology that I still use every day without any trouble, thanks partially to the incredible efficiency of Linux?	Jul 18 15:59
DaemonFC	At this rate, it's unclear if the Mac Mini's hardware will beat my 2009 PC before 2019 or so.	Jul 18 15:59
DaemonFC	They should have called the Mac Mini "Time Machine" because it takes you ten years back in time."	Jul 18 15:59
MinceR	lol	Jul 18 15:59
DaemonFC	http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/07/linus-torvalds-messy-desk-video	Jul 18 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk \| Linus Torvalds' Workspace Is Nothing Like I Imagined (Video) \| OMG! Ubuntu! [ http://ur1.ca/hrx4w ]		Jul 18 16:31
DaemonFC	MinceR, I edited my comment about Webkit.	Jul 18 17:01
DaemonFC	"That's 36.71 times bigger, for those who do not want to bust out the calculator. I don't think they made it 36.71 times more useful. In fact, with all this new garbage, comes more spam, security problems, ads, tracking garbage, and web page "artistes" that think that it's just ****ing dandy to have a page that takes 10 times as long to load. I'll tell you what I am 36.71 times more grateful for now than I was in 2003. Adblock, Privoxy, and	Jul 18 17:01
DaemonFC	NoScript."	Jul 18 17:01
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Sosumi	actually, the thing with safari	Jul 18 18:22
Sosumi	is that it breaks itself into multiple processes	Jul 18 18:23
Sosumi	each one managing to sometimes take up to 1gig of ram	Jul 18 18:23
Sosumi	depending also on the plugins that are being called	Jul 18 18:24
Sosumi	if it is flash, then good luck :)	Jul 18 18:24
Sosumi	flash sucks	Jul 18 18:24
Sosumi	but sucks even more on osx	Jul 18 18:24
abeNd-org	still needed though for some enterprise apps/sites that havent moved to html5 yet, & then you still have the silverlight required garbage :(	Jul 18 18:31
abeNd-org	im kinda surprised apple discontinued safari on windows though, just because of the #s of windows machines	Jul 18 18:31
Sosumi	lol no	Jul 18 18:42
Sosumi	apple discontinued safari on windows because they just couldn’t keep up with feauture parity on both OSs	Jul 18 18:43
Sosumi	so instead of making two bad browsers	Jul 18 18:43
DaemonFC	"I noticed that some sites seem to direct you to Flash unless they think you're using an iPad, so I have my browser set to lie to a few sites and say it's Safari on an iPad.	Jul 18 18:43
DaemonFC	I can't believe that Apple has us back in the 90s, spoofing our browsers to get sites to work again."	Jul 18 18:43
Sosumi	they opted for one less bad	Jul 18 18:43
Sosumi	yeah	Jul 18 18:44
Sosumi	spoof the browser to get html5 instead of flash	Jul 18 18:44
Sosumi	and let me tell you	Jul 18 18:46
Sosumi	4GB of ram on mac	Jul 18 18:46
Sosumi	even if all you do is browse the web, email and casual home stuff	Jul 18 18:47
Sosumi	it won’t be enough	Jul 18 18:47
Sosumi	for that sort of usage you need minimun 6 GB	Jul 18 18:47
DaemonFC	"Oh, and those sites that I have to lie to and say my browser is Safari on an iPad before they give me my HTML 5 video, instead of trying to load Flash and failing.	Jul 18 18:47
DaemonFC	I usually send the website owner an obscene email regarding his maternal lineage."	Jul 18 18:47
abeNd-org	at least some sites like youtube allow you to opt for html5 instead	Jul 18 18:48
Sosumi	it lets you opt	Jul 18 18:49
Sosumi	but if you’re using safari even on the mac	Jul 18 18:49
Sosumi	it uses html5 by fefault	Jul 18 18:49
Sosumi	if you don’t have flash	Jul 18 18:50
abeNd-org	yea, i wish i would do that on windows, say firefox without flash installed, so it doesnt bother you to install it	Jul 18 18:50
abeNd-org	because invariably some moron installs "flash player pro" when they google for flash & install tons of crapware	Jul 18 18:50
abeNd-org	then you have chrome & ie11 on win8x with flash included	Jul 18 18:51
Sosumi	vista 8 comes with flash by default	Jul 18 18:51
Sosumi	I’m actually surprised M$ didn’t include it also on server 2012	Jul 18 18:51
abeNd-org	what is vista 8? such a product doesnt exist	Jul 18 18:51
abeNd-org	Windows 8x yes, it includes flash with ie11	Jul 18 18:52
Sosumi	windows 8	Jul 18 18:52
Sosumi	is a derivate of vista	Jul 18 18:52
abeNd-org	meh, im past kiddie name calling like micro$oft & crapple	Jul 18 18:52
abeNd-org	no one takes you seriously like that	Jul 18 18:52
Sosumi	yada yada	Jul 18 18:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CRUX 3.1 Distro Is for Linux Aficionados	Jul 18 19:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ck5Bkv7K6a (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 19:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrz4n	Jul 18 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CRUX 3.1 Distro Is for Linux Aficionados \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 19:44
MinceR	who takes abeNd-org seriously?	Jul 18 19:50
abeNd-org	not my customers when i suggest opensource solutions for them	Jul 18 19:57
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Sosumi	windows is open source	Jul 18 20:23
Sosumi	http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/openness/default.aspx#home	Jul 18 20:26
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Sosumi	ok, you can laugh now	Jul 18 20:26
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Sosumi	also, you don’t need to pay for m$ products in order to get support	Jul 18 20:28
schestowitz	http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-17/how-russian-hackers-stole-the-nasdaq#p1	Jul 18 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessweek.com \| How Russian Hackers Stole the Nasdaq - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/hs01f ]		Jul 18 20:29
schestowitz	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/01/16/technical-paper-black-hole-2/	Jul 18 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com \| Technical paper: Deeper inside the Blackhole exploit kit \| Naked Security [ http://ur1.ca/hs01l ]		Jul 18 20:29
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2011/02/17/security-and-reliability-record/#comment-110478	Jul 18 20:29
schestowitz	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/01/16/technical-paper-black-hole-2/	Jul 18 20:30
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Sosumi	apparently abeNd-org doesn’t know that companies that rely on free software make money by selling support	Jul 18 20:30
Sosumi	and specialized hardware	Jul 18 20:30
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 20:30
schestowitz	Microsoft mouthpiece uses an old Gnome2 screen and lack of details to vilify gnu/linux. Look at that screenshot! We are supposed to think the crackers used gnu/linux and that Nasdaq's gnu/linux servers were infested with "a mess of malware". An update has Nasdaq telling the Verge that there was no intrusion on the servers. If there was, details are important - Google got rid of Windows years ago because it was a weakness that allowed	Jul 18 20:30
schestowitz	compromise of other systems. Thanks to Snowden, now we know that Windows was intentionally weak and full of NSA back doors that government, private firms and crackers alike regularly abused.	Jul 18 20:30
schestowitz	The Bloomberg Businessweek [yes, that's a misleading name] article the Verge draws on is even worse. They cite problems Iran had with Microsoft software and Stuxnet without mentioning Windows to make people afraid of gnu/linux at Nasdaq. The Blackhole kit is mentioned to scare people but that too looks like the usual Windows exploiter that mostly uses "rogue" Apache modules. The "Director's Desk" intrusion is once again brought up, but	Jul 18 20:30
schestowitz	people at Techrights showed that was a Windows problem and that Microsoft blame was intentionally covered up at the time. The Nasdaq details are supposedly dangerous secrets that must not be told.	Jul 18 20:30
schestowitz	There is one thing of interest in the Bloomberg story, that a nebulous threat to stock exchanges is used as an excuse to spy on ordinary people,	Jul 18 20:30
schestowitz	In a speech last January, amid the scandal over the NSA’s collection of data on millions of Americans, Obama obliquely referred to the NSA’s ability to “intercept malware that targets a stock exchange” as one reason he opposed stripping the agency of its ability to intercept digital communications.	Jul 18 20:30
schestowitz	Back in 2010, most people would have said that a conspiracy by US military spies to weaken software was the purest of paranoid delusions. Yet it was so and now we see them using the results to gain even more power. Of course, none of these bad actors want people or businesses escaping to free software. They want "admins" to keep using Microsoft malware on their desktops and that compromises everything.	Jul 18 20:30
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 20:30
schestowitz	Sosumi: LOL, FOSSdows	Jul 18 20:31
Sosumi	summing it all up	Jul 18 20:33
Sosumi	windows is crap and costs money	Jul 18 20:33
abeNd-org	sosumi support companies do, but your average CPA firm doesnt do that sort of thing	Jul 18 20:35
abeNd-org	again, if there is no opensource alternative, there is no way for a company to take advantage of it. said company is not going to go through the expense of developing it inhouse when there is a windows version. especially when it comes to tax laws, there is no way an individual CPA firm can keep up with all the changes, but companies with products like lacerte & prosystems do	Jul 18 20:36
Sosumi	at least give examples	Jul 18 20:37
Sosumi	of that said windows software with no alternatives	Jul 18 20:37
Sosumi	if it CAD/CAM software	Jul 18 20:37
Sosumi	*is	Jul 18 20:38
Sosumi	then I understand	Jul 18 20:38
Sosumi	other than siemens NX which I personally use	Jul 18 20:38
Sosumi	there isn’t much out there	Jul 18 20:39
abeNd-org	the slew of financial & tax software from http://www.cchgroup.com/	Jul 18 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cchgroup.com \| Tax & Accounting Software \| Firms & Corporations \| Wolters Kluwer		Jul 18 20:39
abeNd-org	or Lacerte http://accountants.intuit.com/tax/lacerte/	Jul 18 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-accountants.intuit.com \| Discover Lacerte Tax Software for Professionals at Intuit Accountants [ http://ur1.ca/gkkct ]		Jul 18 20:39
abeNd-org	church management systems like http://www.shelbysystems.com/	Jul 18 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.shelbysystems.com \| Church Management Software \| Shelby Systems - Shelby Systems : Church Management Software		Jul 18 20:41
abeNd-org	SIP2 compatible library patron management systems like www.librarica.com (that work with SIP2 backends like evergreen which does have linux server/client components)	Jul 18 20:41
abeNd-org	ive got piles of other windows only client/server type products my customers use. sure some use linux for the simple things like file/print/dns/dhcp, but when it comes to the LoB app, more often than not there isnt even a linux version of it, & no the client nor server side would be supported by the vendor if you ran it in wine	Jul 18 20:44
MinceR	i can imagine how great those products can be if their authors thought it would be a good idea to run windows on a server	Jul 18 20:48
abeNd-org	show me a business viable alternative.....	Jul 18 20:49
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4423812	Jul 18 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Black box has not been recovered yet (why is it taking so long?), but Russian and Western media already "know" who to blame. Agenda at play.		Jul 18 22:11
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 22:11
schestowitz	So let me get this straight.	Jul 18 22:11
schestowitz	You're walking down the street and you see a gunfight. If you continue down your path, you will be caught in the crossfire.	Jul 18 22:11
schestowitz	But you do it anyway because a cop told you to?	Jul 18 22:11
schestowitz	Bullshit.	Jul 18 22:11
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 22:11
abeNd-org	oh im sure black box was recovered & disposed of already	Jul 18 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi 3D full-body scanner interview	Jul 18 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nNOGfWRUKf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0tv	Jul 18 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspberry Pi 3D full-body scanner interview \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships July Updates and Second Beta of	Jul 18 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	Applications and Platform 4.14	Jul 18 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hTuiKA1tla (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u4	Jul 18 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Ships July Updates and Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.14 \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/37gTwQ57jn	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u5	Jul 18 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 6 Excellent Lightweight Linux Distros for x86	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	and ARM http://t.co/f8ldFbHILk	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u7	Jul 18 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 6 Excellent Lightweight Linux Distros for x86 and ARM \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OSCON 2014 – The Art of Tizen UI Theme	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	Technology in Various Profiles	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8AXUy5MaWJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u8	Jul 18 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OSCON 2014 – The Art of Tizen UI Theme Technology in Various Profiles \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KernelASan: Bringing Address Sanitizer To The	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel http://t.co/d4dpkflOro	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 22:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KernelASan: Bringing Address Sanitizer To The Linux Kernel \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation SysAdmin Konstantin Ryabitsev,	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	an SELinux Expert http://t.co/C1pcCTakWv	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0ua	Jul 18 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation SysAdmin Konstantin Ryabitsev, an SELinux Expert \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 22:25
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abeNd-org	http://www.datamation.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3893871_2/50-Open-Source-Replacements-for-Popular-Financial-Software.htm none of this looks like it could handle what prosystemfx does	Jul 18 22:56
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MinceR	gn	Jul 19 00:58
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/07/citing-lack-of-interest-lenovo-pulls-8-inch-windows-tablets-from-the-us/	Jul 19 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Citing lack of interest, Lenovo pulls 8-inch Windows tablets from the US \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hs2ti ]		Jul 19 01:03
DaemonFC	"Microsoft's trouble in the small tablet market comes despite the fact that it's offering Windows for free on screens smaller than nine inches and the fact that Intel is selling many of its Bay Trail tablet chips at a loss to get the hardware into tablets in the first place."	Jul 19 01:07
DaemonFC	http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows-phone/24112/gartner-says-windows-phone-hit-10-market-share-2018-what-universe	Jul 19 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.computerworld.com \| Gartner says Windows Phone to hit 10% market share in 2018. In what universe is that? \| Computerworld Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/hs2w3 ]		Jul 19 01:19
DaemonFC	http://www.thestreet.com/story/12763746/1/microsoft-is-losing-market-share-it-cant-afford-to-lose.html	Jul 19 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestreet.com \| Microsoft Is Losing Market Share It Can't Afford To Lose - TheStreet [ http://ur1.ca/hs2wt ]		Jul 19 01:21
DaemonFC	Windows PC sales are still collapsing even though the death of XP has caused a "dead cat bounce" in sales.	Jul 19 01:24
DaemonFC	Some Microsoft-sponsored journalists are rushing to label the dead cat bounce as a "revival", even though the only thing that could even be considered a PC with major growth was the Chromebooks, which have increased their year over year sales by 250%.	Jul 19 01:24
DaemonFC	Windows Phone market share fell from 4.7% to 3.8% over the last year. A 20% decline. This came right after Microsoft fired all of the people from Nokia that were working on the Android-based phones. So much for giving people what they want.	Jul 19 01:24
DaemonFC	When will Microsoft learn that they can't throw their weight around in a market where they don't have any?	Jul 19 01:24
DaemonFC	http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows-phone/24112/gartner-says-windows-phone-hit-10-market-share-2018-what-universe	Jul 19 01:26
DaemonFC	"when you actually look at Gartner's numbers, no such revival can be found. In fact, Gartner projects that sales of traditional PCs (desktops and notebooks) will decline from 296 million in 2013 to 276 million in 2014, and then to under 262 million in 2015. How can a decline of 6.7% in 2014, and 5.3% in 2015 possibly be called a revival?"	Jul 19 01:26
DaemonFC	http://bgr.com/2014/07/01/windows-phone-market-share-3/	Jul 19 01:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| Windows Phone market share: Crash and burn \| BGR [ http://ur1.ca/hs2zs ]		Jul 19 01:28
DaemonFC	"The latest Kantar Worldpanel numbers for smartphone market share may not be surprising, but they are grim indeed for Microsoft. In the heart of the Windows empire in the United States, Windows Phone’s market share dropped from 4.7% to 3.6% between May 2013 and May 2014. In Germany, the decline was from 6.2% to 5.9%. In Brazil, the share remained flat at 5.5%. In China, Windows Phone saw a collapse from 3% to o.6%.	Jul 19 01:28
DaemonFC	This may seem like just another spring, a season among others. But look closer — we are in fact witnessing the final hope for any meaningful future for Windows Phone being snuffed out."	Jul 19 01:28
DaemonFC	http://wallstcheatsheet.com/technology/windows-8-1-may-not-be-the-answer-for-microsoft.html/?a=viewall	Jul 19 01:32
DaemonFC	"Many technology analysts have ripped Windows 8 as the lynchpin behind the historical collapse in personal computer sales and ultimate resignation of Steve Ballmer from his Microsoft CEO post. Detractors further derided Windows 8 as a misguided attempt to be all things to all people that actually ended up pleasing nobody. The Windows 8 interface was also somewhat infamous for jumbled tiles, awkward touch screen commands, and the lack of the	Jul 19 01:32
DaemonFC	classic Start Menu."	Jul 19 01:32
DaemonFC	"Successive reports out of research firm Gartner may confirm the idea the Microsoft lords over a shrinking PC empire. Gartner reported PC shipment tallies of 76.6 million units through the first calendar quarter of 2014. These results represented a 1.7 percent year-over-year decline between Q1 2013 and Q1 2014. Mikako Kitagawa, Gartner principal analyst, actually highlighted the end of XP support as easing the severity of the secular	Jul 19 01:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wallstcheatsheet.com \| Windows 8.1 May Not Be the Answer for Microsoft [ http://ur1.ca/hs30h ]		Jul 19 01:32
DaemonFC	decline in global PC shipments. The PC market has steadily deteriorated for eight straight quarters and has come off a 2013 that Gartner described as the "worst decline in history." The failure of Windows 8.1 to reinvigorate the PC market will obviously pose important ramifications for the long-term fortunes of Microsoft investors. Microsoft share prices have literally stalled out as dead money since 1999."	Jul 19 01:32
DaemonFC	Someone on Amazon wrote that they screwed up their iPhone.	Jul 19 02:17
DaemonFC	I replied...	Jul 19 02:17
DaemonFC	"Why would you even need to jailbreak a phone?	Jul 19 02:17
DaemonFC	Android lets you choose what software to run.	Jul 19 02:17
DaemonFC	Why risk screwing up an iPhone to make it useful? I don't get the long term gain here.	Jul 19 02:17
DaemonFC	Leave the iPhone where it belongs next time. On the shelf.	Jul 19 02:17
DaemonFC	I know better than to allow some company to control my computer like that. If Google removes an app from the Play Store, I'll just get it somewhere else. With Apple, there's nowhere else to go.	Jul 19 02:17
DaemonFC	It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Apple doesn't necessarily have your best interests in mind in their app store censorship decisions.	Jul 19 02:17
DaemonFC	And they do censor apps for all kinds of reasons."	Jul 19 02:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FOSS & the IRS: Now We're Talking	Jul 19 02:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mJQDab9Ahs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 02:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FOSS & the IRS: Now We're Talking \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 02:43
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 19 02:54
DaemonFC	http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/07/18/3-ios-7-cydia-tweaks-to-improve-siri/	Jul 19 02:54
DaemonFC	Apparently, they even let you dig in there and twiddle Siri's bits.	Jul 19 02:54
DaemonFC	Maybe they can stop her from saying "I'm sorry. I didn't understand that!" so often.	Jul 19 02:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com \| 3 iOS 7 Cydia Tweaks to Improve Siri [ http://ur1.ca/hs3cx ]		Jul 19 02:54
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4420493	Jul 19 04:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Malaysia Airlines: We've lost contact with plane" http://us.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/ why is it assumed to have been shot down without evidence (yet)?		Jul 19 04:25
schestowitz	"And what a wonder , the bastard who boasted around the internet about bringing downthe plane , was a serbian volunteer Iin bosnia . Fuckers ."	Jul 19 04:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> us.cnn.com \| U.S. official: Missile hit Malaysia Airlines plane - CNN.com		Jul 19 04:25
schestowitz	"Cronos , the missile that brought the plane down has video guidance , so the operator can actually see the plane as the missile gets to it . Strelkov , of whom I wrote in the lsst post , boosted they shot down the plane . Now , any trained soldier would know the difference between army aircraft and a civil airliner , but if you give dangerous weapons to fuckin mercenaries whi don't give a fuck about people's lives and can't tell the	Jul 19 04:27
schestowitz	difference between army and civilian targets , this is what you get . But what pisses me the most is that we have literate , smart people who can think for themselves , taking part of a fascist , evil russian empire , just because fuckin obama suports ukrainian cause . All empires are evil , be it british , amerikan or russian . Putin is a danger to the whole world , a fanatic raised in soviet union willing to destroy destinies of	Jul 19 04:27
schestowitz	milions just to see the russian empire all the way to finland . Soviets were no better than the nazis , just ask anyone in poland about the masacres they did there just about the s ame time hitler did .And now this crazy war-mongering putin decided he will rize that evil rusian empire again , and you are all concerned about russian minority in doneck . You call those bandits from russia who are raping ukraine 'rebels' . Not a single	Jul 19 04:27
schestowitz	voice about ukrainians in ukraine , nobody bothers to ask what happens when brave 'rebels' take ukraininan villages . Well , I can tell you from my own expirience what happens with villages that strelkov (donbas republic minister of defence) and his camarades take ; they burn , they raoe , they kill . Seen his work in bosnia , and it's ugly . Serbs even have a movie about these 'rebels' , it's called "pretty villages burn pretty" .	Jul 19 04:27
schestowitz	Stop supporting imperialistic motherfuckers , or one of these days , you'll wake up with the sound of their guns at your doorstep ."	Jul 19 04:27
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schestowitz	OK, according with this article the rebels might have downed that plane. Did they downed a civilian airliner on purpose? The article does not say that, it seems they believed they hit a military airplane.	Jul 19 04:27
schestowitz	What is the alternative? Let Kiev bomb them until all die? Why is Kiev using air strikes on civilian places? Do you think Kiev believes their air strikes kill only rebels? Why Kiev first sent bombers and then allowed air traffic over East Ukraine?	Jul 19 04:27
schestowitz	It's not like separatists were advancing towards Kiev, was Kiev the one that decided shelling and bombing East Ukraine would be a good way to liberate those poor people. Putin never accepted those provinces to join Russia.	Jul 19 04:28
schestowitz	Also, the separatists have been allowing OSCE observers in their territories, do you think that if they were committing atrocities the OSCE would not notice or say something?	Jul 19 04:28
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schestowitz	"We had osce in vukovar , go google how much it helped . Strelkov's buddies killed 500 people from the hospital . Those same people proudly fight in donbas now , cetniks . Strelkov boosts with them . Bosniaks had osce and un armed forces in srebrenica , yet 8,9 thousand were slaugtered . Mayve you should stop listening to russia today and marxsist sites , and inform yourself how donbas leaders speak of russian empire they are building	Jul 19 04:28
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schestowitz	"I'll search information about what you say, you might be right and hearing all the parties is the right thing to do."	Jul 19 04:28
schestowitz	"I know you're nordic , only I didn't figure out which of the countries . But consider that putin's "greater russia" includes finland . Think twice how would having a war with russia in your neighbourghood affect you . Putin will not stop ; chechenia , georgia , now ukraine . If he suceedes , finland might be next . And then what ? Russians are as dangerous as amerika , only more brutal . And if the rest of the world supports marxist	Jul 19 04:29
schestowitz	idea of greater nations consuming small ones, we have a century of war ahead . Everyone will look into neighbouring country and say , oh , there are people there that speak our language , let's invade . The world finally sees british empire shrink , and now the russian empire will rise ?"	Jul 19 04:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4423818	Jul 19 04:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Planes Avoid Ukraine After Malaysia Airlines Incident http://reason.com/24-7/2014/07/17/planes-avoid-ukraine-after-malaysia-airl many avoided it even beforehand		Jul 19 04:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> reason.com \| Planes Avoid Ukraine After Malaysia Airlines Incident - Reason 24/7 : Reason.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs4ww ]		Jul 19 04:29
schestowitz	"That is common sense, if commercial airlines avoid flying above Afghanistan why did they keep flying above Ukraine?"	Jul 19 04:30
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4423812	Jul 19 04:31
schestowitz	"I know who I blame: The pilots for flying through a war zone."	Jul 19 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Black box has not been recovered yet (why is it taking so long?), but Russian and Western media already "know" who to blame. Agenda at play.		Jul 19 04:31
schestowitz	"Hey asshole. Are you seriously blaming the victims? http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jul/18/mh17-recording-russian-colonel-rebels-discuss-disaster-video"	Jul 19 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| MH17: recording shows Russian colonel and rebels 'discussing disaster' – video \| World news \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs4x4 ]		Jul 19 04:31
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schestowitz	Yes, some of them. The ones who were in control of the plane and who knowingly flew through a war zone.	Jul 19 04:32
schestowitz	Absolutely.	Jul 19 04:32
schestowitz	That's right up there on the list of stupid things to do.	Jul 19 04:32
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schestowitz	"I agree, why companies think that flying through a war zone is a good idea? Do they read news? Would it be possible that flying above East Ukraine is cheaper that going around?"	Jul 19 04:32
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schestowitz	Assigning blame to the wrong parties is stupid. Can you all not read why airlines choose to fly over those routes? It's because they rely on an agency called the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) to determine which flights are safe.	Jul 19 04:32
schestowitz	http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/ukraine-authority-instructed-mh17-to-fly-at-33000ft-says-mas	Jul 19 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| Ukrainians instructed MH17 to fly at 10,000m, says MAS - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs4xd ]		Jul 19 04:32
schestowitz	So if you want to blame someone, first blame the morons who pulled the trigger, then the ICAO for failing to assign a higher risk level to the route.	Jul 19 04:32
schestowitz	Or is your solution for airline pilots to unilaterally decide to take a detour through their own perceived safe route while browsing Wikipedia?	Jul 19 04:32
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schestowitz	Here's more that's lacking from your assertions to blame the victims, more evidence. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysia-was-not-informed-that-flight-route-was-unsafe-says-transport-minis	Jul 19 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| No one declared MH17 flight path unsafe, says Liow - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs4xf ]		Jul 19 04:33
schestowitz	If no one tells you a bridge is unsafe, and it collapses when you cross it, are you going to blame yourself or the regulatory authorities?	Jul 19 04:33
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schestowitz	OK, the first article says that the company requested to flight higher so it shows concern, but I still think that deciding to fly over East Ukraine was a bad idea and I would expect those companies to know more, after all they carry passengers for profit. The second article supports the idea that the company did nothing irregular, illegal or uncommon, but following regulations is not the same as doing the right thing.	Jul 19 04:33
schestowitz	So who were the ones that authorized flying there? The Ukrainian government and European air traffic control body, and I think that saying that Kiev had no idea that might happen is nonsense.	Jul 19 04:33
schestowitz	Now the interesting part: why did the Ukrainian government and European air traffic control body authorized to fly there? Was it on purpose? And supposing that rebels shot down the airliner, why would they to that? Might be it on purpose?	Jul 19 04:34
schestowitz	I would not ask to think about Kiev shutting down the plane, it that were the case it would be very clear why.	Jul 19 04:34
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schestowitz	So let me get this straight.	Jul 19 04:34
schestowitz	You're walking down the street and you see a gunfight. If you continue down your path, you will be caught in the crossfire.	Jul 19 04:34
schestowitz	But you do it anyway because a cop told you to?	Jul 19 04:34
schestowitz	Bullshit.	Jul 19 04:34
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schestowitz	@mirko zlojic posted the following article in other thread:	Jul 19 04:34
schestowitz	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696389/That-blast-look-smoke-Sick-boast-laughing-rebels-saw-MH17-hit-missile-hours-leader-boasted-We-warned-not-fly-sky.html	Jul 19 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk \| 'That was a blast - look at the smoke': Sick boast of the laughing rebels as they 'saw MH17 hit by missile' - hours after leader boasted: 'We warned you - do not fly in our sky' \| Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/hrv2n ]		Jul 19 04:35
schestowitz	So it might be that rebels shot down that airplane, but nothing in the article backs the idea of rebels downing the airliner knowing it was civilian.	Jul 19 04:35
schestowitz	I see it this way:	Jul 19 04:35
schestowitz	Kiev bombs East Ukraine without need. Kiev allows air traffic over East Ukraine, and the lower the better. And just to be sure, Kiev makes some military aircraft look harmless disguising them as UN aircraft. Sooner or later this was going to happen.	Jul 19 04:35
schestowitz	And as I see it, this is all about not caring: Europe and the US were horrified about the supposed snipers of previous Ukraine president, but said nothing when right-wing militants burned people to death in a Trade Union Hall in Ukraine’s Odessa, did not care when Kiev cut electricity and water to East Ukraine, and gave a fuck when Kiev shelled and bombed it.	Jul 19 04:35
schestowitz	Had Europe and US really cared they would had pressed Kiev for a diplomatic solution to this, but that did not happened and now people is indignant because rebels do not choose carefully targets flying ten kilometers up.	Jul 19 04:35
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schestowitz	@David. Then that's some pretty lousy law enforcement going on. Malaysian Airlines had no idea the rebels would have SAMs. Who the hell would be able to bring down a commercial liner flying at 33,000 ft?	Jul 19 04:35
schestowitz	It's more like you are in a commercial flight flying above people with guns shooting at each other and any attempts at the blip in the sky is likely to fall far short.	Jul 19 04:35
schestowitz	So yeah, I call bullshit on your bullshit.	Jul 19 04:35
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schestowitz	@Cronos.	Jul 19 04:36
schestowitz	The second article supports the idea that the company did nothing irregular, illegal or uncommon, but following regulations is not the same as doing the right thing.	Jul 19 04:36
schestowitz	You are moving the goalpost in this debate. Yeah, it would be far safer if planes only took routes with zero-risks like not flying at all. Running a business also means balancing risk management, trust, and cost in return for profit.	Jul 19 04:36
schestowitz	And at this point, I don't think any neutral party gives a shit any more about intent, which to take a quote from feminism, intent isn't magic. They shot down students, AIDS researchers, family returning to their home for the first time in 3 years. I was neutral before in this whole Ukrainian-Russian-Rebel fiasco. Now I know where I stand.	Jul 19 04:36
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schestowitz	Actually a more appropriate criticism of my counterargument might be that when you're walking down the street you aren't doing so with something 300 human lives on the line.	Jul 19 04:36
schestowitz	That changes the stakes considerably. You can take chances with your own life that you can't take when others' lives are on the line.	Jul 19 04:36
schestowitz	Regardless of the desensitization we experience with endless war.	Jul 19 04:36
schestowitz	It was absolutely reckless to fly that plane in that airspace. And I don't really care what civil authorities you point your finger at: They aren't the ones on the scene. They aren't the ones risking their lives. If you are in control of that airplane, you are ultimately responsible.	Jul 19 04:37
schestowitz	No matter who tells you to do it. Because even if you don't think the rebels have SAMs, you know the government forces do, and the latter are at least half-way expecting a Russian invasion. In a war zone, you trust no one, least of all combatants.	Jul 19 04:37
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schestowitz	And as I previously stated, you have to trust someone at some point. No one in Malaysia is even remotely aware of SAMs being used in the Ukraine. And basing business decisions on the possibility of the Ukrainian government mistakenly shooting down a commercial plane is as likely as that of expecting America to down one just because it came from Iraq.	Jul 19 04:37
schestowitz	If you want to run a business on zero trust and doing it your own way when there is already an agency all airlines pool their information into for guidance, go right ahead. But very soon you will be driven out of business by better competitors.	Jul 19 04:37
schestowitz	Yes the risk does differ when you have other lives to consider. But when the risks are so remote that they aren't even considered, companies are going to make the economic decision to stay viable.	Jul 19 04:37
schestowitz	Plus hnidsight is always 20-20.	Jul 19 04:37
schestowitz	I didn't see anyone spewing the "I told you so" rhetoric of flying commercial liners over Ukraine until now.	Jul 19 04:37
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schestowitz	@Rewarp, you're denying common sense.	Jul 19 04:37
schestowitz	And I'm not one to appeal to common sense much. In most cases, it's a pretty slippery concept.	Jul 19 04:37
schestowitz	But the expectation that one can fly through a war zone safely is nonsensical. And the reason I wasn't talking about it is that I assumed no one would be this stupid.	Jul 19 04:37
schestowitz	Obviously I overestimated their intelligence. But stupidity is not an excuse.	Jul 19 04:37
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schestowitz	And as for trusting no one, I didn't say run a business trusting no one.	Jul 19 04:37
schestowitz	I said trust no one in a war zone.	Jul 19 04:38
schestowitz	Though arguably, the economy is a war zone (and I'm one of the casualties).	Jul 19 04:38
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schestowitz	@Rewarp Talking about the company, would you fly with them if you had other options? The company might not have done anything wrong, but this is the second plane they lose and saying that they followed regulations does not make me feel more secure.	Jul 19 04:38
schestowitz	And about your standing it would be interesting to know why. I think everybody remembers this:	Jul 19 04:38
schestowitz	http://rt.com/news/156480-odessa-fire-protesters-dead/	Jul 19 04:38
schestowitz	Someone might argue that the rebels downed the airplane believing they would be bombed otherwise. At ten kilometers of distance.	Jul 19 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rt.com \| 39 people die after radicals set Trade Unions House on fire in Ukraine's Odessa — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/hs515 ]		Jul 19 04:39
schestowitz	Do you think that pro-Kiev radicals burnt Odessa people alive because if not they would be killed instead? And what about clubbing the survivors to death, do you think that was by mistake? What did Europe and the US do about that?	Jul 19 04:39
schestowitz	Do you think that being burnt alive or clubbed to death was more merciful than dying in a plane crash? This seems to me as logical as saying that you were neutral in the Palestine-Israel conflict until Hamas rockets killed an Israeli.	Jul 19 04:39
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schestowitz	I'm pretty sure airlines can go around conflict zones, one time I flew from the UK to India and the airplane avoided Afghanistan. I had no idea that civilian airplanes were flying over East Ukraine, airplanes avoid flying above Fukushima even if the risk of radiation is low.	Jul 19 04:39
schestowitz	Again: Why the Ukrainian government and the European air traffic control body allowed those flights? Was it on purpose?	Jul 19 04:39
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schestowitz	@David. I think we are done here. You believe no matter what airlines should always avoid warzones despite no information from corporate intelligence agencies of the risks of actual SAMs. I believe those intelligence agencies are solely to blame because airlines employ such companies for the very reason of deciding which routes are safe and viable.	Jul 19 04:40
schestowitz	@Cronos. MH370 was lost entirely due to the incompetence of the Malaysian government and Malaysian airlines. This flight was lost out of sheer bad luck. Thai Airways, India Air, China Eastern Airways, and Air China could easily have been the victims as well.	Jul 19 04:40
schestowitz	http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/world/article/why-were-commercial-planes-still-flying-over-ukraine	Jul 19 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| Why were commercial planes still flying over Ukraine? - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs51l ]		Jul 19 04:40
schestowitz	And of course I am horrified by the killing of any person. But as someone who had no idea what was going on in the ground until this conflict brought it home (yeah, I am Malaysian, and we just lost a plane to a group of rebels whom I last read were happy about having shot it down with glee), I could not do anything but be an absolute neutral in the Ukrainian-Russian-Rebels conflict.	Jul 19 04:40
schestowitz	Plus Israel commits warcrimes, and I have never been neutral on that issue since I started reading about it and researching it thoroughly a decade ago.	Jul 19 04:40
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schestowitz	@Cronos.	Jul 19 04:40
schestowitz	Indeed. That's my question too. Why the hell didn't anyone tell Malaysian airlines the routes were unsafe?	Jul 19 04:40
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schestowitz	Interesting questions:	Jul 19 04:40
schestowitz	http://rt.com/news/173976-mh17-crash-questions-ukraine/	Jul 19 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/hs51o ]		Jul 19 04:40
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schestowitz	"Fuck RT. Why are the rebels stopping the international investigators from entering? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/mh17-crash-pro-russia-rebels-block-access-ukraine"	Jul 19 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| MH17: rebels block access to part of site of crash as evidence against them grows \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/hs51p ]		Jul 19 04:40
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schestowitz	@Rewarp I had no idea you were Malaysian; it's not like downing a plane, even by mistake, were irrelevant. I'm Latin American and people might think that what is happening in Ukraine, Syria, Palestine and all those places is not related to us. And it might be true. Until one way or the other people not related becomes affected and directly involved, but by that time it's too late to think what might have done to avoid it.	Jul 19 04:41
schestowitz	It's not funny seeing how people always find a good reason to kill others and nobody does something that helps even a little besides whining in the Internet or with friends. I deem important to know the thruth and why things happen, but sometimes I wish I do not.	Jul 19 04:41
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schestowitz	Here we go. If these are the actions of the rebels, they may as well spray paint a middle finger on their heads right now to everyone who just wants to find out the truth.	Jul 19 04:41
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/separatist-links-malaysia-airlines-mh17-removed	Jul 19 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Cover-up: Ukraine rebels destroying all links to MH17 air atrocity \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/hs51t ]		Jul 19 04:41
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schestowitz	ussia is asking an international comission for this. If it's true that rebels did not shut down the plane, do you think they will hand over to Kiev the only proof of that?	Jul 19 04:41
schestowitz	And talking about that, is it possible to know if a plane was downed with a missile with the black box?	Jul 19 04:41
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schestowitz	Russia is posturing. It's obvious for all to see. And I don't see how a bunch of international investigators from the Netherlands and Malaysia can be misidentified as Ukrainian officials.	Jul 19 04:42
schestowitz	Heck, Malaysians are already waking up to the news of this latest affront while the bodies of passengers on our plane are bloating up and rotting away.	Jul 19 04:42
schestowitz	http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/drunk-gunmen-deny-monitors-access-to-mh17-site	Jul 19 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| ‘Drunk’ gunmen deny monitors access to MH17 site - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs523 ]		Jul 19 04:42
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schestowitz	Al Jazeera says something different:	Jul 19 04:42
schestowitz	http://m.aljazeera.com/story/201471851244142391	Jul 19 04:42
schestowitz	Can you see why an international comission is needed?	Jul 19 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-m.aljazeera.com \| Ukraine rebels pledge truce for jet recovery - Al Jazeera English [ http://ur1.ca/hs524 ]		Jul 19 04:42
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schestowitz	What does it say differently? It's from 11 hours ago and it says Ukrainian investigators have been barred from investigating. The OCSE and Malaysian officials are already in Ukraine and they have been barred from entering.	Jul 19 04:42
schestowitz	If that doesn't qualify as international, what does?.	Jul 19 04:42
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schestowitz	"What about Russian and Chinese representatives? Russia is the one being blamed and China might be more neutral than Europe has been."	Jul 19 04:42
schestowitz	"Do you think we Malaysians give a shit? We already have our own investigators on the field, and if it's true it isn't the rebels who fired the missiles, we will know how to assign blame. But if those rebels are barring our people from the investigation site after promising secure and unfettered access, what are we suppose to make of it? Benefit of the doubt only goes so far."	Jul 19 04:43
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, Plan to link to those articles describing Windows Phone going down in flames?	Jul 19 06:16
DaemonFC	Or should we start calling it Zune Phone yet?	Jul 19 06:16
DaemonFC	I wonder if MinceR saw the part 3 video of "If Google was a guy.".	Jul 19 06:21
DaemonFC	They took a couple of really funny shots at the iPhone.	Jul 19 06:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Six Clicks: More Linux single-board computers	Jul 19 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rkJyRjKIq9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs67r	Jul 19 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Six Clicks: More Linux single-board computers \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 07:54
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Sosumi	well I think that today after the Snowden confirmations	Jul 19 07:59
Sosumi	ppl have got more than enough reasons to demand software to made available on gnu/linux	Jul 19 07:59
Sosumi	now I have no idea how that accounting software compares, to say, gnucash	Jul 19 08:00
Sosumi	but nowadays there is really no excuse at all no not support “officially” as vendors like to put it	Jul 19 08:01
Sosumi	red hat based distros and ubuntu	Jul 19 08:01
DaemonFC	Apparently, the GNOME Foundation spent too much money on the outreach program to women, and now has no cash reserves.	Jul 19 08:16
DaemonFC	I thought it was another Linsux joke when I saw that the other day, so I clicked through and they turned out to be telling the truth.	Jul 19 08:16
DaemonFC	I don't know why open source software projects are freaking out that there's not all that many women contributing to the project. This is the 21st century. Women have the same shot at these jobs. Is it really imperative to spend money on an outreach program? Should the money be used for that or to develop code?	Jul 19 08:17
Sosumi	dumb dumb and dumb	Jul 19 08:33
Sosumi	if women want something to do with a project	Jul 19 08:33
Sosumi	they’ll join it by their own initiative	Jul 19 08:34
Sosumi	no need for dumb pr	Jul 19 08:34
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DaemonFC	http://www.firsttube.com/read/why-you-probably-should-not-buy-a-zune/	Jul 19 10:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.firsttube.com \| Why You Probably Should NOT Buy a Zune \| firsttube.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs81e ]		Jul 19 10:03
DaemonFC	Apparently, even if you copy non-DRM files onto a Zune, it won't let you upload them back out to a computer.	Jul 19 10:03
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 19 10:03
DaemonFC	I never knew that.	Jul 19 10:03
DaemonFC	"Did I mention that the RIAA gets a cut of every Zune sold, because the chairman of Universal says that if you buy one of these devices, you’re obviously a thief who downloads music illegally? Well, [[http://billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003380831\|it happened]]. Microsoft must acknowledge that people who use portable music players are thieves, because they are cutting in the music companies on the sale o	Jul 19 10:05
DaemonFC	f the HARDWARE. Explain that one!"	Jul 19 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.billboard.com \| Music News - Breaking Music Articles & Videos - Page 1 \| Billboard [ http://ur1.ca/hs81w ]		Jul 19 10:05
DaemonFC	Wow....	Jul 19 10:05
Sosumi	neither the ipod allows you to do that	Jul 19 10:39
Sosumi	only creative players did	Jul 19 10:39
Sosumi	and MD	Jul 19 10:39
Sosumi	or at least the one I had allowed me to do that	Jul 19 10:39
DaemonFC	http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/557bbfcd1942a7161312f0600edd4c176d181d20?diff=lib%2Flibssl%2Fsrc%2Fdoc%2Fcrypto%2FDES_set_key.pod	Jul 19 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freshbsd.org \| Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-557bbfcd1942a7161312f0600edd4c176d181d20 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits [ http://ur1.ca/hs86z ]		Jul 19 10:40
DaemonFC	http://torrentfreak.com/chrome-blocks-utorrent-as-malicious-and-harmful-software-140716/	Jul 19 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| Chrome Blocks uTorrent as Malicious and Harmful Software \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hs8io ]		Jul 19 11:59
DaemonFC	Google is being evil again.	Jul 19 11:59
DaemonFC	http://torrentfreak.com/dotcoms-mega-plans-179m-public-listing-via-reverse-takeover-140325/	Jul 19 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| Dotcom's Mega Plans $179m Public Listing Via Reverse Takeover \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hs8ix ]		Jul 19 12:01
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 19 12:01
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490458601790910464	Jul 19 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Speaking of lazy MSM I'm still waiting to hear about Russia's oil deal with Cuba.....doubt that's going to be reported.		Jul 19 12:32
Guest66954	or even the debt writeoff	Jul 19 12:32
Guest66954	http://www.ibtimes.co.in/8-facts-about-nelson-mandela-you-probably-did-not-know-604793	Jul 19 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in \| 8 Facts about Nelson Mandela You Probably Did not Know [ http://ur1.ca/hs8ol ]		Jul 19 12:40
Guest66954	"Conspiracy theorists say that the police were tipped off by a CIA agent."	Jul 19 12:40
Guest66954	Wasn't this a known fact?	Jul 19 12:41
Guest66954	That they played a role in his arrest?	Jul 19 12:41
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/sumitshresth/status/490461690903805952	Jul 19 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sumitshresth: @schestowitz : yeah but their bad luck that they shot down a passenger plane belonging to a neutral country		Jul 19 12:43
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490461379187707904	Jul 19 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz 32 Billion vanishes and MSM don't notice, or fail to report. Can kinda understand how a banking crisis happened.		Jul 19 12:43
Guest66954	The news was covered in some Latin Amercian and Russian media (in English), I saw it nowhere else	Jul 19 12:43
Guest66954	https://t.co/94d9cfHBMY	Jul 19 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://joindiaspora.com/p/4428697 )		Jul 19 12:54
Guest66954	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4428697	Jul 19 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #UK Foreign Office Reverses Course On #CIA Rendition Files 'Lost' To Water Damage: Papers Have Now 'Dried Out' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140716/10263727898/uk-foreign-office-reverses-course-cia-rendition-files-lost-to-water-damage-papers-have-now-dried-out.shtml LOL!!!		Jul 19 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| UK Foreign Office Reverses Course On CIA Rendition Files 'Lost' To Water Damage: Papers Have Now 'Dried Out' \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/hs8qn ]		Jul 19 12:55
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490465144871616512	Jul 19 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I spotted on RT, but normally it takes a week or two before someone at work goes "ohh I just saw ....on news".		Jul 19 12:57
Guest66954	http://live.wsj.com/video/ukraine-president-terrorist-act-downed-flight-mh17/80E31CC3-8219-47BD-A02D-F773238498A4.html#!80E31CC3-8219-47BD-A02D-F773238498A4	Jul 19 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-live.wsj.com \| Video - Ukraine President: 'Terrorist Act' Downed Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 - WSJ.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs8ri ]		Jul 19 12:59
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490465819684392960	Jul 19 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Home office actually did it's own investigation into UK torture claims. I get the impression the info was destroyed pre-invest		Jul 19 13:02
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490468727155339264	Jul 19 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Good time to bury bad news,Labour government style.		Jul 19 13:11
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/490469161899151360	Jul 19 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz spot on. whose terrorist/freedom fighters? Nelson Mandela called terrorist by Thatcher & Reagan & on US no fly lists July 2008		Jul 19 13:14
MinceR	geekings	Jul 19 15:01
MinceR	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8259609088/hD9123D3D/	Jul 19 15:50
MinceR	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8257383424/hDA3F1858/	Jul 19 15:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Slackware's 21st, Post-Open Source, and Six	Jul 19 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	Lightweights http://t.co/n1QRlA0PJI	Jul 19 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs9r4	Jul 19 16:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon - The ultimate Windows 7	Jul 19 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	replacement http://t.co/udmHgSNKNu	Jul 19 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsaoi	Jul 19 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon - The ultimate Windows 7 replacement \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CyanogenMod working on Google Now competitor?	Jul 19 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZZZmJjQ6RA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsaoj	Jul 19 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CyanogenMod working on Google Now competitor? \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 19:10
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	Oh, also, there's a new program coming called Android Silver.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	If you want the best Android experience, look for manufacturers with Android Silver certification.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	Google has strict requirements on the participating manufacturers. In exchange, Google gives them some money for each Android Silver-compliant phone they sell.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	There will also be a new lineup of very affordable unlocked phones that still give a relatively good experience.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	http://www.mobot.net/android-phone-landing-october-69378	Jul 19 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mobot.net \| First Android One phone landing in October? \| News Articles \| Mobot.net [ http://ur1.ca/hsash ]		Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	<snip>	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	While Android Silver will see Google working closely with its best mates at the high end of the spectrum, the aim of Android One is to make a decent phone that's truly affordable for every Tom, Dick, Harry, Sanjay, Raj and Mukul across the world.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	The first Android One phone will be produced by Micromax, costing as little as $100, with specs including a 4.5in display, dual-SIM slot, SD compatibility, and FM radio for all the latest pop group hits.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	</snip	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/android-silver-everything-you-need-to-know-1246714	Jul 19 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com \| Android Silver: everything you need to know \| News \| TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/hsasi ]		Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	<snip>	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	Silver is a bit like a more advanced Nexus programme, but instead of working with one manufacturer on one device, Google will work with multiple firms on multiple devices.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	Google supposedly wants to help manufacturers to deliver a premium Android experience, so participating firms will get help from Google with their development and marketing costs, and their devices will get preferential treatment when it comes to software updates.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	....	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	It should mean a wider choice of high-end Android devices at reasonable prices, and those devices will be free from the bloatware, unwanted apps and over-the-top customisation that plagues some firms' handsets.	Jul 19 19:27
MinceR	nexus could be more advanced	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	That's because participating firms will have to agree not to mess around with stock Android in much the same way Microsoft's Signature programme banished bloatware from participating PCs.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	The devices must "closely adhere to Google specifications" and will "sharply limit the number of non-Google apps that can be pre-installed on devices" or ensure that phone owners will be able to uninstall them.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	It also means that you'll be able to buy handsets without wondering if you're getting the most up to date version of Android or whether the firm will bother supplying Android updates after a few months.	Jul 19 19:27
MinceR	to the point where they don't leave out stuff like microsd card slots	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	</snip>	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	I do believe it's clear who the Android One's target is.	Jul 19 19:27
DaemonFC	Say "Hasta la Vista" to Windows Phoney.	Jul 19 19:28
MinceR	and don't add stupid restrictions that most OEMs patch out anyway	Jul 19 19:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CyanogenMod working on Google Now competitor? \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Update 123 Fixes Multiple Reboots, The	Jul 19 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	Compositor http://t.co/drxxbzTuzH	Jul 19 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsasv	Jul 19 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SteamOS Update 123 Fixes Multiple Reboots, The Compositor \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 19:28
DaemonFC	Google does seem to be pretty good about salting the Earth of Microsoft before they get into new markets.	Jul 19 19:37
DaemonFC	They just handed Firefox a billion dollars to keep Microsoft out and now they're going to pay Android phone makers to push a decent $100 Android phone.	Jul 19 19:38
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Sosumi	so? no more nexus phones?	Jul 19 20:42
MinceR	android authority said there will be more nexus devices	Jul 19 20:43
Sosumi	cool then	Jul 19 20:43
MinceR	silver seems more like the new name of google play edition	Jul 19 20:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GCC Code Gets Updated For Go 1.3 Language	Jul 19 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0nRZGzU2Tb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsbo7	Jul 19 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GCC Code Gets Updated For Go 1.3 Language \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MicroXwin Creators Have A PC That Runs Debian &	Jul 19 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	Android Together http://t.co/5g2pvOaTOY	Jul 19 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsbog	Jul 19 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MicroXwin Creators Have A PC That Runs Debian & Android Together \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Musing: Microsoft to offer its software on	Jul 19 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	Linux – A theoretical consideration.	Jul 19 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uZSSgqFZ9U (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsboj	Jul 19 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Musing: Microsoft to offer its software on Linux – A theoretical consideration. \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 20:45
Sosumi	literally they already do	Jul 19 20:51
Sosumi	doesn’t office 365 also run on gnu/linux?	Jul 19 20:51
Sosumi	it run inside the browser	Jul 19 20:52
Sosumi	*runs	Jul 19 20:53
Sosumi	plus didn’t m$ want everyone to move to a software as service type of thing	Jul 19 20:53
Sosumi	by restricting office to just one machine and jacking the prices up	Jul 19 20:54
Sosumi	so everyone would move into 365	Jul 19 20:54
Sosumi	and even if they did come with a linux version	Jul 19 20:56
Sosumi	it wouldn’t be the same as the windows version	Jul 19 20:56
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Sosumi	just a feature stripped version like the one they make for osx	Jul 19 20:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Docker networking: How Linux containers will	Jul 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	change your network http://t.co/hmzQUFarSt	Jul 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscxq	Jul 19 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Docker networking: How Linux containers will change your network \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Could we See a Linux Tablet Brought to Life	Jul 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	with Ubuntu Touch? http://t.co/TRG8Cgte6T	Jul 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscxu	Jul 19 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Could we See a Linux Tablet Brought to Life with Ubuntu Touch? \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kerala Legislature moves to open source	Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	software; LibreOffice http://t.co/NN9OeG4XyN	Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscxv	Jul 19 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kerala Legislature moves to open source software; LibreOffice \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDecoration2 – The road ahead	Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kmCEyDw6VL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscxw	Jul 19 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDecoration2 – The road ahead \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Faults in Linux 2.6 http://t.co/O0ROZGkIV5	Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscy0	Jul 19 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Faults in Linux 2.6 \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromecast Now Lets Users Move Android Content	Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	to Their TVs http://t.co/Vj7Op523Uu	Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscy1	Jul 19 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Chromecast Now Lets Users Move Android Content to Their TVs \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Pictures] Samsung Z (SM-Z910F) Tizen in Gold	Jul 19 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FN3ymxGV6Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsd4b	Jul 19 23:06
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditArchLinux favourited 'Faults in Linux 2.6 http://t.co/O0ROZGkIV5'		Jul 19 23:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meld 3.11.2 Diff and Merge Tool for GNOME Has	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	Been Released http://t.co/Ho9oKdLg5K	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hqfjz	Jul 13 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Meld 3.11.2 Diff and Merge Tool for GNOME Has Been Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 6 Upcoming Linux-Based Smartphone Operating	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	Systems That Aren’t Android	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CWXiIkQN12 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hqfk2	Jul 13 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 6 Upcoming Linux-Based Smartphone Operating Systems That Aren’t Android \| Tux Machines		Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.61 LTS Officially Released	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	with Support for New Devices	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZJ7O034nEQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 13 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hqfk4	Jul 13 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Kernel 3.2.61 LTS Officially Released with Support for New Devices \| Tux Machines		Jul 13 00:11
MinceR	gn	Jul 13 01:38
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4391859	Jul 13 07:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kelvinpittman@diasp.org: Time! ![dig!](https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png) via: @{harry haller (nerdpol.ch) ; harryhaller@nerdpol.ch}, @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com} #Stallman #time-is-not-money #time-is-time #money-is-an-empty-promise #silly-Capitalist-time-is-for-everyone		Jul 13 07:33
schestowitz	""Time! dig! https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaledfull27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png via: harry haller (nerdpol.ch), Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) #Stallman #time-is-not-money #time-is-time #money-is-an-empty-promise #silly-Capitalist-time-is-for-everyone"	Jul 13 07:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaledfull27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png )		Jul 13 07:34
schestowitz	Time! dig! https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaledfull27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png via: harry haller (nerdpol.ch), Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) #Stallman #time-is-not-money #time-is-time #money-is-an-empty-promise #silly-Capitalist-time-is-for-everyone	Jul 13 07:34
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 07:34
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4384536	Jul 13 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The IRS may be targeting open source projects." http://www.itworld.com/open-source/426611/irs-scheming-destroy-open-source-projects		Jul 13 07:34
schestowitz	"All the more reason to think reading wired articles will get you tagged by NSA."	Jul 13 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com \| Is the IRS scheming to destroy open source projects? \| ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/hq9dw ]		Jul 13 07:34
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4390954	Jul 13 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FOSS advocate uses some fairly neutral (not Microsoft-funded) data point to claim #firefox decline http://tildehash.com/?blog=the-popularity-of-firefox-is-definitely-waning		Jul 13 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tildehash.com \| The popularity of Firefox is definitely waning! [ http://ur1.ca/hqes8 ]		Jul 13 07:34
schestowitz	"What are they doing with Mono? I hadn't heard that..."	Jul 13 07:35
schestowitz	Unity3d	Jul 13 07:35
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, I might understand the "ads in new tabs" thing in Firefox, if it was opt-in or something, and they desperately needed the money.	Jul 13 08:16
DaemonFC	They get enough from Google and donations, that I don't see why they need more money.	Jul 13 08:16
DaemonFC	I think they get 80% of their money from Google and most of the rest from donations.	Jul 13 08:16
DaemonFC	http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/mozilla-revenue-tops-311-million-from-open-source-technology.html	Jul 13 08:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| Mozilla Revenue Tops $311 Million From Open-Source Technology [ http://ur1.ca/hqhpj ]		Jul 13 08:17
DaemonFC	"Mozilla announced its 2012 earnings this week, reporting record revenue of $311 million."	Jul 13 08:17
DaemonFC	I've heard people say that Google basically has two web browsers, but it's not true.	Jul 13 08:19
DaemonFC	Mozilla is independent enough from Google that Google decided to start doing Chrome.	Jul 13 08:20
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4363123	Jul 13 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: We shouldn't expect #Facebook to behave ethically http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/06/we-shouldnt-expect-facebook-to-behave-ethically nothing ethical about #surveillance and selling dossiers on people		Jul 13 17:47
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schestowitz	"Crime is always possible, that does not make it inevitable. The strong have inherent advantages over the weak. It may be more likely in trade and business because criminals have such huge advantages. They also spend lots of money on propaganda convince us that their behavior is both inevitable and good, but we should reject their arguments of might makes right. I think most people, even some animals, intuitively understand injustice	Jul 13 17:47
schestowitz	and that this is a problem that can be solved."	Jul 13 17:47
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4394015	Jul 13 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Blackheart Lady: Margaret Thatcher 'personally covered up' child abuse allegations against senior ministers http://www.sott.net/article/281832-Blackheart-Lady-Margaret-Thatcher-personally-covered-up-child-abuse-allegations-against-senior-ministers		Jul 13 17:47
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schestowitz	"Oh , she wouldn't do that , that bitch ..."	Jul 13 17:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393340	Jul 13 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "1970s when cases of unlawful covert operations... were uncovered, including spying on American citizens" http://www.cdapress.com/columns/syd_albright/article_85604792-e25c-5037-bb6e-c91d436b0862.html		Jul 13 17:48
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schestowitz	"Yes, and Watergate. Now everything's papered over."	Jul 13 17:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/488039869563023360	Jul 13 17:50
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/487914806541049856	Jul 13 17:50
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395524	Jul 13 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk "Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill (DRIP). Here's the absurd timeline" http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2014/07/urgent-please-write-to-mps-to-stop-drip/index.htm we have emergency: gov. coup		Jul 13 18:05
schestowitz	""drip".....Bad intentions dripping from it? Very likely."	Jul 13 18:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bdcory/status/488378917577695232	Jul 13 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bdcory: @schestowitz Math and science don't lie.		Jul 13 18:49
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488404303053598720	Jul 13 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz How the fuck is that remotely legal?		Jul 13 23:25
schestowitz	That's why I'm taking them to Court	Jul 13 23:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393502	Jul 13 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Expulsion of top spy a 'wake-up call' for US http://www.dw.de/expulsion-of-top-spy-a-wake-up-call-for-us/a-17777777 counter-espionage funding http://www.dw.de/german-spies-clamor-for-counter-espionage-funding/a-17781269		Jul 13 23:27
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schestowitz	"To me the message was "please be more discret", if Germany would be really upset it would be asking its gold deposited in the US back immediately."	Jul 13 23:28
schestowitz	"Or it would grant Snowden asylum. There was an op-ed in Al Jazeera to this effect."	Jul 13 23:28
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 13 23:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 13 23:28
schestowitz	"that would be the republicrat party (or the democrican party)"	Jul 13 23:28
schestowitz	"Or simply list the biggest contributor by each candidate's name instead of party."	Jul 13 23:28
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	Yes, that would make more sense and be more honest. The Facebook candidate, the Goldman Sacks candidate, the Monsanto candidate.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	That might be even called a multiparty democracy.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	@Cronos, that's hardly a democracy, that would be corporatocracy.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	There should be full disclosure of all donors who contributed a total minimum of, say, $1000.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	Uncle Meat, it isn't 'democracy' anyway. It's a republic.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	And republics are all about rule by the rich.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	See Federalist No. 10.	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 23:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488449731602165760	Jul 13 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz ......I need details of this trial, also if it goes high court ima turn up in public gallery with fried chicken!		Jul 13 23:30
schestowitz	Doesn't need to go to High Court, I have a strong case, can finish it cheaply at 4000 quid	Jul 13 23:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488450596350197762	Jul 13 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Dependant on if they want to admit you have a strong case though let's be fair.		Jul 13 23:32
schestowitz	It'll go as high as it needs to be	Jul 13 23:32
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4396049	Jul 13 23:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tonight we'll watch our first WC14 match. Supporting my team in the final. Town has huge screens. Triangle and Spinningfield.		Jul 13 23:34
schestowitz	"So you're going to root for Die Manshaft"	Jul 13 23:34
schestowitz	"Germany well deserved 1-0"	Jul 13 23:34
schestowitz	Not sure if well deserved, it was a close match	Jul 13 23:34
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395864	Jul 13 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Recording and storing everyone's phonecalls is cheap. A cost analysis I did two years ago: at $100 per person can record everything 24/7.		Jul 13 22:36
schestowitz	"And with taxpayer's money there is no need to be either profitable or cheap."	Jul 13 22:36
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393835	Jul 13 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nsa cares about #math like #cia cares about #security - their goals are often to derail the math and destablise the world for Power		Jul 13 22:36
schestowitz	"The NSA rudely bullied the US NIST into accepting flawed standards. That's derailing math to spy on people. There may be other examples."	Jul 13 22:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4391352	Jul 13 22:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #brazil got massive debt from an event where it merely gets humiliated. It used to be a football giant. Now it's an open net.		Jul 13 22:38
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 22:38
schestowitz	Something like three weeks ago I was talking with my father, and told me how important was the victory of our national team because it was the second time in history it happened.	Jul 13 22:38
schestowitz	I had no idea what to say, I not even cared to watch the matches so I said nothing at all. And one week later he was upset because our team was eliminated, and to me nothing changed at all.	Jul 13 22:38
schestowitz	How can you convince someone that doing something to avoid being robbed is more important than our national soccer team? I have no idea and I'm not the one being robbed so I simply let my father live the life he choose.	Jul 13 22:38
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 22:38
schestowitz	Sports are used by many nations to shift from one's own competition to one's nation. Nationalism works well for the state, more then pursuit of the success of smaller groups.	Jul 13 22:38
schestowitz	*than	Jul 13 22:39
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395986	Jul 13 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #surveillance and #intimidation (under the FBI pretext that this is "terrorism") has successfully crush the #occupy movement		Jul 13 22:43
schestowitz	"Is it really crushed?"	Jul 13 22:43
schestowitz	""	Jul 13 22:44
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 22:44
schestowitz	I think, yes, the Occupy movement has been crushed.	Jul 13 22:44
schestowitz	I do not count 'Occupy Sandy' and 'Occupy Debt' as worthy of the name. They capitulate to the status quo.	Jul 13 22:44
schestowitz	Occupy, at the beginning, took the laudable position that it wanted nothing from the elite, but rather that their very existence was the problem. Paying off the elite or helping with civil defense is a very long ways from that initial position.	Jul 13 22:44
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 22:44
schestowitz	Corporate media in the #uk never covers #nsa Menwith Hill. It's bad enough that it has no gov oversight	Jul 13 22:54
schestowitz	but no press oversight either?	Jul 13 22:54
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 04:50
DaemonFC	"(my gosh somebody bought a chromebook)"	Jul 14 04:50
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Laptop/zgbs/pc/565108	Jul 14 04:50
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/gp/top-rated/pc/565108/	Jul 14 04:50
DaemonFC	Chromebooks are selling like hotcakes and Windows isn't even in the Top Rated laptops until you get to #23.	Jul 14 04:50
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 04:50
DaemonFC	Microsoft Windows 8.1 - Full Version	Jul 14 04:50
DaemonFC	2.8 out of 5 stars. What is that? 56% is a D, if I recall correctly,	Jul 14 04:50
DaemonFC	Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit, System Builder OEM DVD 1 Pack (New Packaging)	Jul 14 04:50
DaemonFC	Windows 7 gets 3.9 out of five stars. 78% is like a C.	Jul 14 04:50
DaemonFC	So "Best Windows ever" is a C and Windows 8 is a D. We can't compare Vista, because apparently Amazon no longer sells it, but I think it's fair to say "Big fat F".	Jul 14 04:50
DaemonFC	Move to GNU/Linux, where the OS is and A and F is for Freedom. B-)	Jul 14 04:51
DaemonFC	"Way back in the day, Nvidia got caught lying about feature support when a program asked if the card supported a particular feature, and they didn't, but the driver would say "yes, I do". This aggravated Microsoft, because it was causing DirectX problems. As in "Program asks if a feature is supported. Oh good, it's supported. I'll use it. CRASH.". :) "	Jul 14 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla brings Indian communities together	Jul 14 05:49
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 14 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 14 06:06
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 06:07
schestowitz	Seriously, the best way to corrupt a politician is with money, giving donations does not seems to me a good idea.	Jul 14 06:07
schestowitz	I like Mexico's elections system, and I'm compelled to believe that its system (not their politicians) is one of the best in the world. For example, donations are forbidden, they have assigned a budget according to the amount of voters they got and if a party spends more of the money alloted then they might got the poll declared void.	Jul 14 06:07
schestowitz	I have not a good idea about a supposed Super PAC in the US intended to support politicians that pledge to support ending this practice, but to me that's like trying to buy politicians and corporations have more money to play that game.	Jul 14 06:07
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 06:07
schestowitz	"If a campaign budget is allocated by the number of votes a candidate gets, how does a candidate foresee how many votes s/he'll win? Or, if the budget is based on past performance, then how is that fair to the equivalent of, say, the Green Party in the U.S.? Would it not lock them into a perpetually underfunded campaign?"	Jul 14 06:07
schestowitz	"Indeed, I think it would be better if all parties had the same funds regardless of its past performance, but if you think that there are fringe parties everywhere then you avoid wasting money in them. And I think there is a minimum, and Mexican parties have alloted equal time in mass media (besides paid ads) so is not like small parties had no opportunity at all."	Jul 14 06:08
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 06:08
schestowitz	By the way, if you think that Mexican elections are expensive you're right, funding all the parties and the way elections are carried out (no electronic voting) makes them expensive even for first-world standards, but at least the elections are fair more or less.	Jul 14 06:08
schestowitz	But having a good system is half a good democracy, the other half are good citizens voting for good candidates and I think that is not the case.	Jul 14 06:08
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 06:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393502	Jul 14 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Expulsion of top spy a 'wake-up call' for US http://www.dw.de/expulsion-of-top-spy-a-wake-up-call-for-us/a-17777777 counter-espionage funding http://www.dw.de/german-spies-clamor-for-counter-espionage-funding/a-17781269		Jul 14 06:09
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schestowitz	"No, if Snowden is wise he will never be back in the West, not even Latin America is safe enough."	Jul 14 06:09
schestowitz	"@cronos@cronostech.no-ip.org , on this, I fear you're right."	Jul 14 06:09
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4394001	Jul 14 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: redneck yank in an SUV... ![redneck yank in an suv](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7nbmdSHIS1qz9bu3o1_500.jpg) #redneck #bigot #conservative #english #grammar #dumbass, #yank #suv #yankee #carculture		Jul 14 06:10
schestowitz	"Urine America"	Jul 14 06:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395928	Jul 14 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #Gestapo Still Sets the Bar for Evil http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/13/the-gestapo-still-sets-the-bar-for-evil.html "Decades before the NSA..."		Jul 14 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thedailybeast.com \| The Gestapo Still Sets the Bar for Evil - The Daily Beast [ http://ur1.ca/hqsh5 ]		Jul 14 06:21
schestowitz	"Damnation of the NSA by faint praise."	Jul 14 06:21
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393837	Jul 14 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why the Return of American Torture Is Inevitable http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/return-american-torture-future even the films now promote torture and assassination		Jul 14 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.motherjones.com \| Why the Return of American Torture Is Inevitable \| Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/hqsh6 ]		Jul 14 06:21
schestowitz	"The War of Terror continues."	Jul 14 06:21
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schestowitz	http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/i-am-not-a-pacifist/	Jul 14 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk \| Craig Murray » Blog Archive » I am not a Pacifist [ http://ur1.ca/hqsmu ]		Jul 14 06:36
schestowitz	"The British retaking of the Falklands was legal. The Argentinian invasion was not. But lots of things are legal but not sensible. The government deliberately resolved the Falklands war in the most violent way possible to benefit from jingoism and overcome a disastrous popularity crisis for the Tories at home. Britain’s continued colonial rule over the Falklands is ludicrous."	Jul 14 06:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 Games You Can Play from Your Linux Command	Jul 14 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	Line http://t.co/tzgHeoFkAV	Jul 14 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 07:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 5 Games You Can Play from Your Linux Command Line \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines When "Free" Can Suck. http://t.co/ZKEKPGfQlS	Jul 14 07:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 07:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| When "Free" Can Suck. \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 07:12
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4396049	Jul 14 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tonight we'll watch our first WC14 match. Supporting my team in the final. Town has huge screens. Triangle and Spinningfield.		Jul 14 07:18
schestowitz	"I was thinking about the 2 Argentina players that could have been send off. I also think we (the Dutch team) would have had a good chance in the final."	Jul 14 07:18
MinceR	interesting kind of brain damage there: problems with Chrome, Java and Flash => "free can suck"	Jul 14 07:31
MinceR	which of those is free software?	Jul 14 07:31
schestowitz	exactly	Jul 14 07:49
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/annejanbrouwer/status/488597233592705024	Jul 14 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@annejanbrouwer: Well @schestowitz technically since Palestine isn't a country and thus has no military it should be 100% civilians .. right?		Jul 14 08:26
schestowitz	These terms are loosely defined by the dominator. The US likes to call all adult males "militants".	Jul 14 08:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488610184030617600	Jul 14 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I'm glad to hear it, will you be keeping everyone updated on progress.		Jul 14 09:18
schestowitz	late summer/autumn	Jul 14 09:18
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488622962082590720	Jul 14 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Not long then!		Jul 14 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This Is What It's Like To Be A Woman CEO In The	Jul 14 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	Male-Dominated Open-Source Software World	Jul 14 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TV60lA01BN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 09:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| This Is What It's Like To Be A Woman CEO In The Male-Dominated Open-Source Software World \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source boost as Linux Conference heads to	Jul 14 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	Auckland http://t.co/rnSxgv3Omb	Jul 14 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 09:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source boost as Linux Conference heads to Auckland \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LFTP 4.5.3 File Transfer Software Is for People	Jul 14 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	Who Love the Terminal http://t.co/9N30dinlJm	Jul 14 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 09:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LFTP 4.5.3 File Transfer Software Is for People Who Love the Terminal \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 09:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488627884605444097 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488628298486792193	Jul 14 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, that page does not exist		Jul 14 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Kitsilano Software is just me. No hidden agenda. What I've been doing with @monotizen is an open book. See Twitter, Github ...		Jul 14 10:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488628716440788992 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488628936562061312 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488629310559760384	Jul 14 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen ... and blogs. Ended an 18 year career in big company games (http://t.co/kFgox2fkgJ), now working for @roadhousehq		Jul 14 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bobsummerwill.wordpress.com \| End of an era \| Bob's Blog		Jul 14 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen And @roadhousehq use @unity3d because just about all small games companies use @unity3d. It's the best there is.		Jul 14 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen And what makes @unity3d so good? The @monoproject, and the productivity of C#.		Jul 14 10:23
schestowitz	"Hey @schestowitz! Kitsilano Software is literally just me. No hidden agenda. What I've been doing is an open book."	Jul 14 10:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488629820763291648	Jul 14 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz As for @monotizen and my involvement in @TizenProject, I did that project because @xamarinhq didn't. @ztzg contracted for me.		Jul 14 10:24
schestowitz	me: @BobSummerwill @monotizen @TizenProject @xamarinhq @ztzg Why encourage #linux devs to use C# (with MS #swpats )?	Jul 14 10:24
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/android-apps-on-windows-phone-would-be-an-ugly-capitulation/	Jul 14 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Android apps on Windows Phone would be an ugly capitulation \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hqv45 ]		Jul 14 10:29
DaemonFC	Another way to look at this is sort-of good news.	Jul 14 10:29
DaemonFC	Windows Phone flopped and Microsoft is looking to cease development and try to freeload off of Android instead.	Jul 14 10:30
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/emergency-windows-update-revokes-dozens-of-bogus-google-yahoo-ssl-certificates/	Jul 14 10:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Emergency Windows update revokes dozens of bogus Google, Yahoo SSL certificates \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hqv7x ]		Jul 14 10:36
DaemonFC	"People using default versions of Mac OS X, Linux, and other operating systems are also immune since they don't trust CCA-authorized sites."	Jul 14 10:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488630206320476160 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488630368396787712 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488630756508307458 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488632010424864768	Jul 14 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Every line of the work we did was in the open at https://t.co/HJ75Eu18XM. You'll see posts at https://t.co/e4F6EekxxU ...		Jul 14 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com \| Kitsilano Software · GitHub		Jul 14 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> developer.tizen.org \| Forums \| Tizen Developers		Jul 14 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz and at http://t.co/Fd7NnY2Hvj, and more importantly at @monotizen and @bobsummerwill. No hidden agenda whatsoever.		Jul 14 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> go-mono.com \| Forums - Mono		Jul 14 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Getting the @monotizen Mono Runtime working on Tizen turned out to be literally one #define change (https://t.co/a8fKzNmwqK)		Jul 14 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com \| icall: Use mono_strtod on non-Android ARM platforms by ztzg · Pull Request #1112 · mono/mono · GitHub		Jul 14 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz The @monoproject have a clear and long-standing statement of position on patent-risk http://t.co/DfTn9NOBaP.		Jul 14 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mono-project.com \| MonoConcerns - Mono		Jul 14 10:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488632307591294978 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488632622436716544 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488633357895344128	Jul 14 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz With the creation of the @dotnetfdn (http://t.co/TL4qLcnidq) and Microsoft and Xamarin's strategic partnership, I think the ...		Jul 14 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dotnetfoundation.org \| .Net Foundation \| Open Source Foundation for the .NET Community		Jul 14 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz ... risk of patent claims against @monoproject is now close to zero, because @monoproject's success is now important to MS.		Jul 14 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz The @monoproject lets MS reach iOS and Android, as Windows wanes in importance. Linux is the winner by side-effect.		Jul 14 10:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488634091378470912 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488635618390319104 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488636108297605121	Jul 14 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz I detest software patents. I was delighted to see @elonmusk throw away theirs. @monoproject carries no special risk, IMHO.		Jul 14 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen @TizenProject @xamarinhq @ztzg Because C# is a hugely productive language. HTML5 and C++ are not good enough.		Jul 14 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen @TizenProject @xamarinhq @ztzg Software patents threaten all software. Mono is nothing special.		Jul 14 10:55
schestowitz	this is what Microsoft is trying to tell the world and why Mono is dangerous	Jul 14 10:56
MinceR	ooh, mono advertisement on our feed	Jul 14 10:56
schestowitz	I have written extensively about problems with mono http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono	Jul 14 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Mono - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1x784 ]		Jul 14 10:56
schestowitz	MinceR: just showing you what he says	Jul 14 10:57
schestowitz	he is trying to put Mono in Tizen	Jul 14 10:57
schestowitz	and I'm hoping to convince him not to waste time on it	Jul 14 10:57
schestowitz	he has a daytime job, he should focus more on that	Jul 14 10:57
schestowitz	He's a Brit who moved to Canada	Jul 14 10:57
schestowitz	His wife is Canadian it seems...	Jul 14 10:57
schestowitz	the project is a one-man effort, but could potentially expand	Jul 14 10:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488636552017235969	Jul 14 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: FIGHT ON! I've been called a patent troll and tool of the evll @Microsoft / @xamarinhq empire for making @monotizen https://t.co/2rEyHZt23n		Jul 14 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Software Patents Demising in the US as #Microsoft Patent Attacks on #Android/#Linux Suffer a Huge Setback http://t.co/nIYTh5g1nD #swpats		Jul 14 10:58
schestowitz	Complete Bulls***, you were not called a patent troll or a tool	Jul 14 10:59
MinceR	geekings	Jul 14 11:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi Model B+ http://t.co/6xjStdfjv5	Jul 14 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hqxb9	Jul 14 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspberry Pi Model B+ \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical and Ubuntu Helped Munich Save	Jul 14 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	Millions of Dollars by Ditching Microsoft	Jul 14 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	Products http://t.co/gDoZH3is4c	Jul 14 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hqxdj	Jul 14 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical and Ubuntu Helped Munich Save Millions of Dollars by Ditching Microsoft Products \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 11:26
DaemonFC	I wonder if switching from EXA to glamor would work.	Jul 14 11:54
DaemonFC	The manpage for my radeon driver suggests it will.	Jul 14 11:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Road Ahead http://t.co/pXmwaVL4cj	Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 12:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Road Ahead \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04: Is Canonical taking on too much?	Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/J8dVNxTxe7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hqz2r	Jul 14 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04: Is Canonical taking on too much? \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat CEO Whitehurst on VMware, OpenStack and	Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	CentOS http://t.co/CWnxCFle7X	Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hqz2u	Jul 14 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat CEO Whitehurst on VMware, OpenStack and CentOS \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/JJGqjSxkg4	Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hqz2x	Jul 14 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 12:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On	Jul 14 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	The MacBook Air http://t.co/x6PdC0niv6	Jul 14 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hr2sv	Jul 14 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On The MacBook Air \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 17:02
DaemonFC	Oh wow. Switching from EXA to GLAMOR really sped things up.	Jul 14 17:09
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 18:47
DaemonFC	The "system refresh" didn't fix any of the problems on my brother's Windows laptop, even after I gave up and told it to do a complete refresh where it wipes the data.	Jul 14 18:48
DaemonFC	Obviously, it is NOT re-installing the OS files, it just deletes your data, resets a few settings to default values, and then a brisk several hours later, it welcomes you back to broken OS minus your files.	Jul 14 18:48
DaemonFC	Then congratulates you for being a sucker that bought Microsoft Big ****pile 8.1.	Jul 14 18:48
DaemonFC	It works fine now. Humming right along with Kubuntu 14.04 LTS.	Jul 14 18:48
DaemonFC	Talk about fix and forget. That laptop won't have any more software problems until the day the hardware fails.	Jul 14 18:48
*DaemonFC is blowing steam about Windows 8.		Jul 14 18:48
Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/14/nickel-ipad-rash/	Jul 14 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com \| iPad Implicated in Pediatric Rashes Diagnosed as Nickel Allergies - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/hr4if ]		Jul 14 18:51
Sosumi	lulz	Jul 14 18:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat to be a Key Contributor to and	Jul 14 19:06
TweetTuxMachines	Benefactor of the Kubernetes Project	Jul 14 19:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BIo6VFw587 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 19:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hr4on	Jul 14 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat to be a Key Contributor to and Benefactor of the Kubernetes Project \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 19:07
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 19:07
DaemonFC	I always used to chuckle when a new processor came out and one of the benchmarks would be how fast it scanned C:\Windows for viruses.	Jul 14 19:07
DaemonFC	That's just so awesome. At least they admitted, in a round about way, why you needed a new $400 processor.	Jul 14 19:07
DaemonFC	What else would you use one for?	Jul 14 19:07
DaemonFC	"The Microsoft Office benchmarks are next."	Jul 14 19:07
DaemonFC	Oh. Damn. Sorry I asked!	Jul 14 19:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is making your product free and open source	Jul 14 19:07
TweetTuxMachines	crazy talk? http://t.co/UFOpYLVdmz	Jul 14 19:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 19:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hr4p6	Jul 14 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is making your product free and open source crazy talk? \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CentOS 7 Comes on the Heels of Red Hat	Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise Linux 7 http://t.co/tNcRonc9Nv	Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hr4pi	Jul 14 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CentOS 7 Comes on the Heels of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On	Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	The MacBook Air http://t.co/hOfrfHLnEH	Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hr4pp	Jul 14 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On The MacBook Air \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GParted Live 0.19.1 Beta 1-2 Is the Best	Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	Solution for Partitioning on the Fly	Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nA6Xnb6pUc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hr4pu	Jul 14 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GParted Live 0.19.1 Beta 1-2 Is the Best Solution for Partitioning on the Fly \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian 7.6 "Wheezy" Officially Released	Jul 14 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/51AcRqLKQW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hr4pw	Jul 14 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian 7.6 "Wheezy" Officially Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 19:09
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DaemonFC	"Stick around! Next we'll see how long it takes Microsoft Internet Toolbar Explorer to load!"	Jul 14 19:16
DaemonFC	It's like a car accident. I can't look away.....	Jul 14 19:16
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to MinceR		Jul 14 19:24
MinceR	lol	Jul 14 19:25
Sosumi	m$ is actually copying apple now on what appeared to be leaked images of windblows 9	Jul 14 19:31
Sosumi	all glassy themed gui and with the metro crap put inside a modified windows 7 start menu	Jul 14 19:32
Sosumi	as widgets	Jul 14 19:32
Sosumi	but the lsd flavour is all over it	Jul 14 19:33
MinceR	so, still worse than xp	Jul 14 19:33
Sosumi	never used xp personally to compare	Jul 14 19:33
Sosumi	but still no virtual desktops	Jul 14 19:34
Sosumi	which on my opinion are excelent productivity boostes	Jul 14 19:35
MinceR	that's too complicated for ordinary users	Jul 14 19:35
Sosumi	*boosters	Jul 14 19:35
MinceR	and microdrones	Jul 14 19:35
MinceR	and crApple cultists	Jul 14 19:35
Sosumi	crapple has those	Jul 14 19:35
MinceR	theirs is fucked up, afaik	Jul 14 19:35
MinceR	can't separate the windows from an application from each other	Jul 14 19:35
Sosumi	and switches to another desktop when you close a program on your present one	Jul 14 19:38
Sosumi	for no reason	Jul 14 19:38
Sosumi	which was a bug introduced on 10.9 when they finally made the virtual desktops display indepedent	Jul 14 19:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Coimbra University to save plenty with open	Jul 14 21:54
TweetTuxMachines	source ERP http://t.co/DAxHJGv46C	Jul 14 21:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unofficial Android L port lands for HTC One	Jul 14 21:54
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 15 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 15 00:34
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 00:34
schestowitz	The more parties you fund the more expensive it will be; I think that in Mexico any party with more than 2% of the population supporting it can run for the presidency but I'm not so sure.	Jul 15 00:34
schestowitz	Besides that, I think half the work should be done by political parties and the other half by the citizens, I think that not having massive funding like the main parties should NOT be a reason for people not voting them.I find hard to believe that people can find cats in the Internet easily but are unable to find candidate's plan and trajectory. If people will vote for the candidate with the better ads then that's the kind of president	Jul 15 00:34
schestowitz	they will have, one good in marketing.	Jul 15 00:35
schestowitz	Talking about the US, what about Bernie Sanders? I have not hear so much about him but all what I have heard is good:	Jul 15 00:35
schestowitz	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/bernie-sanders-2016_n_4295872.html	Jul 15 00:35
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schestowitz	The only real problem I have with Bernie Sanders is that he participates in authoritarian political system and seeks solutions in it, disregarding that the system itself is the problem.	Jul 15 00:36
schestowitz	He represents a small state, Vermont, which is probably unique in the U.S. It has, for instance, enacted and is in the process of implementing a single-payer health care system. There is a secession movement there that is probably better developed than any other in the country, and the people there would secede for the right reasons, for example, opposition to neoconservative war, opposition to neoliberalism, etc., which make Vermont	Jul 15 00:36
schestowitz	something of an outlier.	Jul 15 00:36
schestowitz	It is inconceivable that a self-identified socialist could be elected U.S. Senator from any other state.	Jul 15 00:36
schestowitz	Sanders runs as an independent but usually votes with Democrats; he is effective to the extent that Democrats can use him to advance their agenda. Outside that agenda, his words are, very sadly, nothing more than hot air.	Jul 15 00:36
schestowitz	Sanders is far from disproof of two-party (I'm being generous: Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky have said much the same thing as @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) did in opening this thread) hegemony; if anything, he simply further proof of it.	Jul 15 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft to push cheaper Windows PCs to	Jul 15 03:40
TweetTuxMachines	compete with Chromebooks http://t.co/MvTUCwIJUA	Jul 15 03:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 03:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrab5	Jul 15 03:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Microsoft to push cheaper Windows PCs to compete with Chromebooks \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 03:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “World’s first” iris recognition smartwatch	Jul 15 03:40
TweetTuxMachines	runs Android http://t.co/9lHE5vgGAR	Jul 15 03:40
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 15 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 15 06:58
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 06:58
schestowitz	Half of what you have said about Sanders and Vermont sounds good to me, but since I'm not a US citizen I see no case in investigating further.	Jul 15 06:58
schestowitz	Anyway, I think that we have to try the easier and less violent ways first, because if that does not work then you have no other choice than taking a gun and try to end the regime or running away. Doing nothing but complaining does not look a solution to me, is more like a therapy.	Jul 15 06:58
schestowitz	I think that the best revolutions, the ones where the whole society advances and are more lasting, are the ones where almost nobody dies like in Iceland, the others where scores of people die are by themselves unsustainables and sooner or later they become only a change of tyrant.	Jul 15 06:58
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 06:58
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4399241	Jul 15 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Hamas 'claims responsibility' for drone attacks" http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/14/israel-shoots-down-gaza-drone-live-updates not exactly interested in ceasefire		Jul 15 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Egypt proposes Israel-Gaza ceasefire as death toll nears 200 - the day's events \| World news \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/hrbi6 ]		Jul 15 06:58
schestowitz	"Why should they be interested in a ceasefire? They are killed with impunity no matter what they do. The problem is that Palestinians are treated like caged animals. This is looking like a repeat of operation "Cast Lead", which basically proves all of the lock down, murder and punishment worthless. Do we want a future where collective punishment is eternally dished out on a population that only becomes more bitter each time?"	Jul 15 06:58
schestowitz	> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.odg	Jul 15 07:13
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schestowitz	> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.png	Jul 15 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-couldn't connect to host ( status 0 @ http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.png )		Jul 15 07:13
schestowitz	Serve down. What's there?	Jul 15 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux Allinone Edition 9.1 Beta Has	Jul 15 07:24
TweetTuxMachines	Everything You Need http://t.co/GIQuml59EZ	Jul 15 07:24
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbnd	Jul 15 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 4MLinux Allinone Edition 9.1 Beta Has Everything You Need \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 07:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fermilab Releases Scientific Linux 7.0 Alpha 2	Jul 15 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WqUd77bo70 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbo2	Jul 15 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fermilab Releases Scientific Linux 7.0 Alpha 2 \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines halting problem :: codes of conduct	Jul 15 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7yv9cTatFF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbo4	Jul 15 07:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Linux Desktop, FreeDOS Still Matters, and	Jul 15 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	Darksiders http://t.co/CyyTuTtT4G	Jul 15 07:29
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbo6	Jul 15 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best Linux Desktop, FreeDOS Still Matters, and Darksiders \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 07:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4404810	Jul 15 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The US government breaks into networks, computers, servers etc. while calling intrusion into them "cyber terrorism". Labeling itself?		Jul 15 08:33
schestowitz	"Try reasonong with amerikans , and you'll understand . Yeserday a guy explained to me that anglosaxons had the right to the land because before the 'red' people , there were nordic in amerika ?? And he's suposedly an educated , openminded person ."	Jul 15 08:33
schestowitz	wow. Maybe he watched some fiction movie, like one where Transformers were the reasons dinosaurs went extinct! :-)	Jul 15 08:33
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schestowitz	>>> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.odg	Jul 15 08:45
schestowitz	>>> >> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.png	Jul 15 08:45
schestowitz	>> >	Jul 15 08:45
schestowitz	>> > Serve down. What's there?	Jul 15 08:45
schestowitz	>> >	Jul 15 08:45
schestowitz	> A fake campaign sticker promoting Snowden and Binney for president /	Jul 15 08:45
schestowitz	> vicepresident in 2016	Jul 15 08:45
schestowitz	It would be hilarious if I could see if, but it's still down.	Jul 15 08:45
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditArchLinux favourited 'Best Linux Desktop, FreeDOS Still Matters, and Darksiders...'		Jul 15 08:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Firefox in a Fix? http://t.co/WtA64oDQEL	Jul 15 08:49
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrc39	Jul 15 08:49
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 15 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 15 09:01
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 09:01
schestowitz	Indeed. The difficulty with violent revolution is that it replaces one set of thugs with another.	Jul 15 09:01
schestowitz	Because you need thugs to win.	Jul 15 09:01
schestowitz	The trouble is that I see no prospect that the elite will willingly give up power. Indeed, what we see with increasing police brutality not just in the U.S. but around the world, increasing militarization of the police, domestic spying and other brutal forms of repression of dissent is that the elite have no qualms about using violence to preserve their position.	Jul 15 09:01
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 09:01
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/488969462868373504	Jul 15 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Murdoch calls for ISPs to be liable for users' activities http://t.co/dVvS8Svv3a the 1% wants to crush whatever exposes the 1%		Jul 15 10:10
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schestowitz	Everyone's yard always looks less green than the neighbour's. UK has its issues also.	Jul 15 10:10
MinceR	geekings	Jul 15 10:36
MinceR	http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2011/11/cult-leaders-vs-the-pope/	Jul 15 11:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tell the FCC: Net Neutrality is crucial to free	Jul 15 12:16
TweetTuxMachines	software http://t.co/FIcav8gVPf	Jul 15 12:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Said to Announce Job Cuts as Soon as	Jul 15 12:16
TweetTuxMachines	This Week http://t.co/MLj6wLqfWo	Jul 15 12:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apple iPhone 6 Clone Surfaces in China as CCTV	Jul 15 12:16
TweetTuxMachines	Cautions Against iPhone Usage, Fearing NSA	Jul 15 12:16
TweetTuxMachines	Spying http://t.co/ZRnWb9YBMh	Jul 15 12:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why is Cabinet Office Holding Back Microsoft's	Jul 15 13:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New AMD Catalyst 14.6 Beta Video Driver for	Jul 15 13:48
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Sosumi	the iphone’s aluminum treatment also causes herpes	Jul 15 14:32
Sosumi	or was it arsenic allergy? :P	Jul 15 14:32
Sosumi	so, another thing to watch out for	Jul 15 14:32
Sosumi	and just not the NSA	Jul 15 14:32
Sosumi	*nickel allergies	Jul 15 14:33
Sosumi	msdos logic	Jul 15 14:40
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4406674	Jul 15 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Endless stream of brutal imagery required for war on terror propaganda" http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-and-cia-want-to-keep-isis-tweeting-exploiting-social-media-to-keep-the-endless-war-on-terror-alive/5391222?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=pentagon-and-cia-want-to-keep-isis-tweeting-exploiting-social-media-to-keep-the-endless-war-on-terror-alive		Jul 15 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.globalresearch.ca \| Pentagon and CIA Want to Keep ISIS Tweeting: Exploiting Social Media to Keep the Endless War on Terror Alive \| Global Research		Jul 15 15:51
schestowitz	"I guess new bin laden is needed for western fat cats to continue justifying war in islamic countries. Just saying..."	Jul 15 15:51
MinceR	or the people living in the middle east will never be at peace until no more than one group survives	Jul 15 15:55
MinceR	(various muslim cults that hate each other and the jews)	Jul 15 15:56
abeNd-org	so, turn off the news & let them sort it out themselves?	Jul 15 15:56
MinceR	dunno	Jul 15 15:59
MinceR	i'm afraid them sorting it out themselves will lead to nuclear winter over here, too	Jul 15 15:59
MinceR	i'm not sure if that's avoidable at all	Jul 15 15:59
abeNd-org	so we should have turned off the news & let them sort it out pre-nuke	Jul 15 16:00
MinceR	i wouldn't turn off the news	Jul 15 16:01
MinceR	i'm not sure what purpose that would serve	Jul 15 16:01
abeNd-org	well, does it matter if you watch it or not? do you have any power to change anything going on?	Jul 15 16:04
MinceR	i might have enough to seek shelter for myself :>	Jul 15 16:06
MinceR	also to learn from it in the case i manage to survive	Jul 15 16:06
abeNd-org	meh, if it is your time...	Jul 15 16:07
DaemonFC	http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/07/kde-plasma-5-released	Jul 15 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk \| KDE Plasma 5 Arrives with Fresh New Look, True Convergence		Jul 15 16:19
DaemonFC	CONVERGENCE!!!!	Jul 15 16:20
DaemonFC	What is it with them using that word all over the place?	Jul 15 16:20
DaemonFC	Someone said Chrome is dangerous to use because it has a shell.	Jul 15 16:28
DaemonFC	I corrected him.	Jul 15 16:28
DaemonFC	"crosh is hidden so that normal users will never find it, and you can't really do anything with it that could harm the system even if you're a complete moron. Complete morons who accidentally load a crosh tab, don't know what it is, and start typing stuff, won't figure out how to become root (the chronos account) anyway.	Jul 15 16:28
DaemonFC	Of course, there's an explanation for users who do accidentally hit the key combo to bring up a crosh tab, that says :If you got here by mistake, just close this tab.".	Jul 15 16:28
DaemonFC	Chromebooks are so easy to use that anyone could use one.	Jul 15 16:28
DaemonFC	OS X and Windows have shells out in plain site. Your "normal user" can even open one up and totally destroy the operating system. People manage to use those systems. Some of the dumbest morons who have ever lived figure out Windows and OS X, and those are much harder to use than Chrome OS."	Jul 15 16:28
MinceR	this sense of convergence is that you're supposed to be able to use the same ui on phones, tablets, laptops, desktop pcs, etc.	Jul 15 16:34
DaemonFC	http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2012/12/18/10378851.aspx	Jul 15 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com \| Why was Pinball removed from Windows Vista? - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs		Jul 15 16:39
DaemonFC	MinceR, I don't want the UI on my computer to be the same as on my phone.	Jul 15 16:39
DaemonFC	That wouldn't make a very good experience.	Jul 15 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenWRT 14.07 RC1 Brings Native IPv6 Support,	Jul 15 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	New Init System http://t.co/yXttagnNt4	Jul 15 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489043563112456192	Jul 15 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenWRT 14.07 RC1 Brings Native IPv6 Support, New Init System \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 16:40
DaemonFC	http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2005/12/01/498882.aspx	Jul 15 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com \| What one Windows XP feature am I most proud of? - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs		Jul 15 16:41
DaemonFC	Some of these are actually kind of funny.	Jul 15 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Plasma brings a cleaner interface on top of	Jul 15 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	a new graphics stack http://t.co/vubbRZuSx6	Jul 15 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489043563762556928	Jul 15 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New Plasma brings a cleaner interface on top of a new graphics stack \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing Project Zero http://t.co/x7nl7S33z2	Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489064286325469184	Jul 15 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Announcing Project Zero \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “To whom much has been given, much is expected	Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	in return” – Free Software economics	Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PAXYc3oOWX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084786653155328	Jul 15 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| “To whom much has been given, much is expected in return” – Free Software economics \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Linux Desktop: Top 10 Candidates	Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R2QFShqsVW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084787231961088	Jul 15 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best Linux Desktop: Top 10 Candidates \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/YgLXE8tNIf	Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084787865309185	Jul 15 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 16:54
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schestowitz	_Goblin: he	Jul 15 18:01
schestowitz	hey	Jul 15 18:01
_Goblin	hi there!	Jul 15 18:01
_Goblin	hows things.	Jul 15 18:01
schestowitz	good. and you? Still in England?	Jul 15 18:10
_Goblin	yep	Jul 15 18:17
_Goblin	completed on house in US though now	Jul 15 18:17
_Goblin	we will be north east for the next few months at least tho...	Jul 15 18:18
_Goblin	so as of Aug we'll be quite close geographically	Jul 15 18:18
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2dthDSGkc#t=96	Jul 15 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Plasma 5.0 Visual Feature Guide - YouTube		Jul 15 18:20
DaemonFC	There's a ISO with KDS Plasma 5 on it to try out, based on Kubuntu.	Jul 15 18:21
DaemonFC	http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-latest.iso	Jul 15 18:21
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TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.75	Jul 15 18:24
schestowitz	DaemonFC: have you tried it yet?	Jul 15 18:24
schestowitz	If so, can you post what you're seeing now?	Jul 15 18:25
schestowitz	_Goblin: can we come to visit this summer or is it inconveniencing to others?	Jul 15 18:25
schestowitz	_Goblin: I read your article today. Let's hope we can resume the show as a sort of trans-Atlantic thing	Jul 15 18:25
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DaemonFC	I'm in the middle of downloading it. I figured I'd make a Live USB out of it and take it for a spin, to see what's going on.	Jul 15 18:29
_Goblin	not at all....we'll be in Seaham this summer...	Jul 15 18:30
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_Goblin	as for transatlantic stuff...if you make a G+ account we can work it no probs....I've done a recording with someone from PA.	Jul 15 18:31
schestowitz	I can do that	Jul 15 18:31
schestowitz	The show can then be made video-based too, though I guess the formats would annoy some	Jul 15 18:32
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I'm downloading it. I'll take screenshots while I'm using it.	Jul 15 18:32
schestowitz	if you do some techrights ones, I will share in twitter tomorrow	Jul 15 18:38
schestowitz	_Goblin: caught up with the other two messages (I had restarted konversation). Yes, we need to arrange to meet up (the wives too) some time this summer	Jul 15 18:47
DaemonFC	I'm amazed at how much HexChat has cleaned up the old XChat code.	Jul 15 18:47
DaemonFC	I don't remember XChat ever working this well.	Jul 15 18:48
DaemonFC	I wonder whatever happened to that XChat-GNOME thing. GNOME seems to be writing a new IRC program, so I take it they didn't rebase the old one off of HexChat.	Jul 15 18:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4404699	Jul 15 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Still no lawsuit from #noip or its customers against #microsoft - perhaps proving that you can freely commit crimes when you're large enough		Jul 15 18:49
schestowitz	"Waiting for that too."	Jul 15 18:49
schestowitz	XChat always worked well for me	Jul 15 18:50
schestowitz	I have run it non-stop (maybe half a day downtime twice in all those years) since 2008	Jul 15 18:50
DaemonFC	Any plans to move to HexChat now that XChat is dead?	Jul 15 18:50
DaemonFC	http://hexchat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/changelog.html	Jul 15 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hexchat.readthedocs.org \| HexChat ChangeLog — HexChat 2.10.0 documentation		Jul 15 18:51
DaemonFC	The changelog is pretty extensive.	Jul 15 18:51
schestowitz	I have scripts tied to xchat	Jul 15 18:54
schestowitz	I run it on two machines	Jul 15 18:54
schestowitz	actually, on three	Jul 15 18:54
schestowitz	Debian, Kubuntu, and my laptop	Jul 15 18:54
schestowitz	So moving to something that might not be on the repos or consistently built might not offer any gains	Jul 15 18:54
DaemonFC	Fedora is carrying both and has backported some of the patches to XChat to fix major problems.	Jul 15 18:55
MinceR	DaemonFC: sometimes i would want the two UIs to be the same	Jul 15 19:06
MinceR	but not always	Jul 15 19:07
MinceR	i suspect that xchat scripts would run mostly (or completely) the same on hexchat	Jul 15 19:07
MinceR	it's the same codebase, after all	Jul 15 19:08
MinceR	as for the winblows xp thing, i'd really like to see a good task scheduler	Jul 15 19:08
MinceR	on whatever kernel	Jul 15 19:08
schestowitz	it seems like lots of work for no gain	Jul 15 19:12
schestowitz	I don't use xchat for features, just for logging, and it's stable, not just light	Jul 15 19:12
MinceR	an upgrade is "lots of work"? :>	Jul 15 19:16
schestowitz	yes	Jul 15 19:19
schestowitz	it's not a simple upgrade but a package swap	Jul 15 19:19
schestowitz	for little or no substantial gain	Jul 15 19:19
DaemonFC	Those are the best kind!	Jul 15 19:44
schestowitz	plasma 5 demos hardly show me any new features	Jul 15 20:08
schestowitz	except search-related, which I'd never allow (indexing is a waste)	Jul 15 20:08
DaemonFC	Baloo improved things a lot.	Jul 15 20:09
DaemonFC	I think they switched over to Baloo on KDE 4 at the last minute to get rid of one of the major warts that never had been addressed up to that point. Nepomuk.	Jul 15 20:12
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DaemonFC	Well, that was unimpressive.	Jul 15 20:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/7ZZoXbP8wP	Jul 15 20:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 20:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084788452491265	Jul 15 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 20:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/6pdzQ9xDTa	Jul 15 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084789345902592	Jul 15 20:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FFmpeg 2.2.5 Officially Released	Jul 15 21:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MR3JbU4PQ7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 21:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146020010283009	Jul 15 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FFmpeg 2.2.5 Officially Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 21:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.10 Receives Its Third Update Pack	Jul 15 21:09
TweetTuxMachines	and Linux Kernel 3.15 Support	Jul 15 21:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vKtQnraQpA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 21:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146020647813120	Jul 15 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro 0.8.10 Receives Its Third Update Pack and Linux Kernel 3.15 Support \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 21:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Advances JPEG Encoding with mozjpeg 2.0	Jul 15 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zNYdM4TcEB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146021272756225	Jul 15 21:18
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, https://i.imgur.com/NBOfnu0.png	Jul 15 22:08
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DaemonFC	https://imgur.com/n9S6cIq	Jul 15 22:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines $35 OpenWRT SBC targets educational apps	Jul 15 22:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oMWDTZq1BV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 22:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146021851582464	Jul 15 22:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| $35 OpenWRT SBC targets educational apps \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 22:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Imad Sousou: The Future of Linux and Intel in	Jul 15 23:00
TweetTuxMachines	the New Connected World http://t.co/sJffkFPPfP	Jul 15 23:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 23:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146022510088192	Jul 15 23:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Imad Sousou: The Future of Linux and Intel in the New Connected World \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 23:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Offers Up A Free Crash Course In Android	Jul 15 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	Development http://t.co/XQJt6rOTOK	Jul 15 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489157034932068353	Jul 15 23:09
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4409089	Jul 16 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's mouthpiece at #CondeNasty (Ars) is upset that #Microsoft is abandoning #Windows http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/android-apps-on-windows-phone-would-be-an-ugly-capitulation/		Jul 16 07:00
schestowitz	"To be fair, Android apps on a Windows platform would be gross. I already dislike this whole "fake native" solution of just having enough of a runtime to run Android apps because your own platform doesn't get enough traction. The whole thing is sloppy as hell."	Jul 16 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Android apps on Windows Phone would be an ugly capitulation \| Ars Technica		Jul 16 07:01
schestowitz	"This article silently asserts that developers are writing applications for Windows, as if it were still 1995. They are not. The rest of the article rambles on pointlessly."	Jul 16 07:01
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4405855	Jul 16 07:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Presumption of guilt based on garments http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jasjit-singh/the-nsa-mohammed-raghead-_b_5584736.html		Jul 16 07:01
schestowitz	"Ignorance ...."	Jul 16 07:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com \| "Mohammed Raghead" and Fighting the Anti-Turban Bias that Plagues Our Land of Liberty \| Jasjit Singh		Jul 16 07:01
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4409096	Jul 16 07:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Western media's coverage of #ukraine is so deceiving that one is likely to get a better analysis from Ukranians on the streets		Jul 16 07:01
schestowitz	"If you have Ukrainian aquaintances."	Jul 16 07:02
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4409065	Jul 16 07:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "working to change state law to legalize the activities under investigation." http://www.prwatch.org/news/2014/07/12536/after-john-doe-subpoenas-wi-gop-sought-quietly-change-law #wisconsin apes #uk on #surveillance		Jul 16 07:02
schestowitz	"So typical of our lawless oligarchs."	Jul 16 07:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.prwatch.org \| Exclusive: After Subpoenas in Walker Criminal Probe, WI GOP Sought to Quietly Change Law \| PR Watch		Jul 16 07:02
schestowitz	> http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/14/this-is-why-the-government-should-never-control-the-internet/	Jul 16 07:07
schestowitz	>	Jul 16 07:07
schestowitz	> The Post of course.	Jul 16 07:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| This is why the government should never control the internet - The Washington Post		Jul 16 07:07
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 07:21
DaemonFC	There are only two kinds of Mac in the "mainstream" market.	Jul 16 07:21
DaemonFC	Slow and 'spensive and less slow and "arm, leg, eye, kidney, and testicle" 'spensive.	Jul 16 07:21
DaemonFC	When Apple introduced the $1099 iMac recently, Ars Technica did a write up that concluded that you lost roughly 50% of the performance from the $1299 model, to save 18% of your money.	Jul 16 07:21
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/07/1099-imac-review-lose-50-of-your-performance-to-save-18-of-the-money/	Jul 16 07:21
DaemonFC	Staggering? Not really. People who keep an eye on Apple know that if the price seems too good to be true, it's probably junk.	Jul 16 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| $1,099 iMac review: Lose 50% of your performance to save 18% of the money \| Ars Technica		Jul 16 07:21
DaemonFC	You could get yourself a niiiiiiiiiice PC for $1099 or a severely brain damaged iMac. Your call.	Jul 16 07:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE 5 is Here, LibreSSL Unsafe, and Debian 7.6	Jul 16 07:41
TweetTuxMachines	Released http://t.co/yokbF8bdLb	Jul 16 07:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 07:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tiny module runs Linux and LabView on ARM/FPGA	Jul 16 07:49
TweetTuxMachines	SoC http://t.co/NCy9BTuOeE	Jul 16 07:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 07:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311560393699328	Jul 16 07:49
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489202878658379776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489203164416319488	Jul 16 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #DRIP heroes, round one https://t.co/E5hgZTe5AD "Voting against the programme motion - ... https://t.co/TGlCFJulPs		Jul 16 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.openrightsgroup.org \| Open Rights Group - #DRIP heroes, round one		Jul 16 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com \| #DRIP heroes, rou...		Jul 16 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "working to change state law to legalize the activities under investigation." http://t.co/xoPoMjJm0T #wisconsin apes #uk on #surveillance		Jul 16 08:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489202817971007488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489202878658379776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489203164416319488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489205646047580160 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489205757234388992	Jul 16 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CISA: The Banks Want Immunity and a Public-Private War Council http://t.co/HPL5Eua9fH #banks work directly with Keith Alexander now. #cisa		Jul 16 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.emptywheel.net \| CISA: The Banks Want Immunity and a Public-Private War Council \| emptywheel		Jul 16 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dan Goodin (Cande Nasty) and his longtime Jihad against Linux security reputation carries on http://t.co/7sEKp2PEWh		Jul 16 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Only a few days old, OpenSSL fork LibreSSL is declared “unsafe for Linux” \| Ars Technica		Jul 16 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: [recent enough to be relevant] #Mozilla Revenue Tops $311 Million http://t.co/BclolRg2on it will survive, surely...		Jul 16 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eweek.com \| Mozilla Revenue Tops $311 Million From Open-Source Technology		Jul 16 08:05
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4409096 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4409097	Jul 16 08:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Western media's coverage of #ukraine is so deceiving that one is likely to get a better analysis from Ukranians on the streets		Jul 16 08:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Filtering (by editing) voices on the streets to suit a narrative that a broadcast company already chose is neither journalism nor reporting		Jul 16 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Detailed review of Plasma 5	Jul 16 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4KLEbsBDX2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311561194811392	Jul 16 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Detailed review of Plasma 5 \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KaOS Calms Down KDE http://t.co/nG2SbI0qZx	Jul 16 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311561756856320	Jul 16 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KaOS Calms Down KDE \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to use public PCs safely with Linux	Jul 16 08:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rza57EfX6E (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 08:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489322112327245825	Jul 16 08:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to use public PCs safely with Linux \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 08:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 9 Core and Ultimate are released	Jul 16 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kiR8thwq7g (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489322112981532672	Jul 16 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Zorin OS 9 Core and Ultimate are released \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 09:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE Announcement	Jul 16 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kw8bdZbipV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489322113531002880	Jul 16 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE Announcement \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04: The good, the bad, the Unity	Jul 16 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RdgVOlZRVr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332511231586305	Jul 16 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04: The good, the bad, the Unity \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 09:22
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 09:35
DaemonFC	Microsoft is talking about a product that doesn't exist (Windows 9) and may not exist for years, to suppress criticism of Windows 8.	Jul 16 09:35
DaemonFC	With Microsoft, the "new version that fixes everything you hate" is always just around the corner. They've been pulling that trick for three decades now, because it works.	Jul 16 09:35
DaemonFC	They started talking about a "more reliable dos-less Windows" for consumer PCs back in the 1980s. Guess when consumers got their "more reliable dos-less Windows"? Late 2001.	Jul 16 09:35
DaemonFC	Their "Evangelism" guide clearly states that when people talk poorly of the current software, you try to change the focus to something that doesn't exist and is right around the corner, any minute now.	Jul 16 09:35
DaemonFC	The old tricks are the best tricks. They're even "leaking" out mocked up screen shots again. Will people ever learn?	Jul 16 09:35
DaemonFC	If people still hate Windows 9, they'll have the "Windows 10 promotion machine" while underway, and then they'll have another tool at their disposal. "Windows 7 is almost end of life. You don't have a choice."	Jul 16 09:42
DaemonFC	well	Jul 16 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux for cars: Automotive Grade Linux rivals	Jul 16 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	CarPlay and Android Auto http://t.co/GPXjoAjxU7	Jul 16 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332511827177472	Jul 16 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux for cars: Automotive Grade Linux rivals CarPlay and Android Auto \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Seagate rolls out NAS range with its own	Jul 16 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-based operating system	Jul 16 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1GntzM8edW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332512552792066	Jul 16 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Seagate rolls out NAS range with its own Linux-based operating system \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi 2 expected in 2017, Foundation	Jul 16 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	focussed on software for now	Jul 16 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/k1jHHcdCyf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332513332928512	Jul 16 10:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspberry Pi 2 expected in 2017, Foundation focussed on software for now \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel to ship Galileo Gen2 open-source computer	Jul 16 10:09
TweetTuxMachines	in August for $60 http://t.co/Dvgoa0IaLV	Jul 16 10:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 10:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342500251762688	Jul 16 10:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel to ship Galileo Gen2 open-source computer in August for $60 \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 10:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cloud, open source power TransLink's Web	Jul 16 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	presence http://t.co/OU9CEAqKQO	Jul 16 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342500981571585	Jul 16 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Cloud, open source power TransLink's Web presence \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 10:18
DaemonFC	https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/CurrentBudgetFAQ	Jul 16 10:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.gnome.org \| FoundationBoard/CurrentBudgetFAQ - GNOME Wiki!		Jul 16 10:25
*DaemonFC head desks		Jul 16 10:25
DaemonFC	They're out of cash because they spent too much on the Outreach Program for Women?	Jul 16 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Crowdfunding for open source software	Jul 16 10:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YdEuDJ3tRm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 10:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342501715574784	Jul 16 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Crowdfunding for open source software \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 10:27
DaemonFC	http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.13.3.php	Jul 16 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org \| KDE - KDE Ships July Updates to Applications, Platform and Plasma Workspaces		Jul 16 11:08
DaemonFC	A whole bunch of old Konqueror/KHTML bugs got closed.	Jul 16 11:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189774	Jul 16 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189774 )		Jul 16 11:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274534	Jul 16 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274534 )		Jul 16 11:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279241	Jul 16 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279241 )		Jul 16 11:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301588	Jul 16 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301588 )		Jul 16 11:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336041	Jul 16 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336041 )		Jul 16 11:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336046	Jul 16 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336046 )		Jul 16 11:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336940	Jul 16 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336940 )		Jul 16 11:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337000	Jul 16 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337000 )		Jul 16 11:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337008	Jul 16 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337008 )		Jul 16 11:11
DaemonFC	It's nice to see them fixing up some of this before they leave KDE 4 behind.	Jul 16 11:11
DaemonFC	5 bugs were fixed in KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.11.11 and 55 were fixed in Applications 4.13.3.	Jul 16 11:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How open source can solve Silicon Valley's	Jul 16 12:55
TweetTuxMachines	engineering crisis http://t.co/I8P7MX3Mel	Jul 16 12:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 12:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342502655119361	Jul 16 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How open source can solve Silicon Valley's engineering crisis \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 12:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DistroWatch resolves its domain registrar	Jul 16 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	problems http://t.co/FyuVZkfXKy	Jul 16 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342503317815296	Jul 16 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| DistroWatch resolves its domain registrar problems \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Next Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE)	Jul 16 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	Versions May Be Built Only On The Stable	Jul 16 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	Versions Of Debian http://t.co/dCjtecWSIl	Jul 16 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489353356716941312	Jul 16 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Next Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) Versions May Be Built Only On The Stable Versions Of Debian \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 13:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/UGbk6X6b5P	Jul 16 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrh1j	Jul 16 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/7QzVyrUaAl	Jul 16 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrh28	Jul 16 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Applications and Platform 4.13.3 Is the	Jul 16 19:53
TweetTuxMachines	Last Update in the Series	Jul 16 19:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HoU27XNpWh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 19:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrh2n	Jul 16 19:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Applications and Platform 4.13.3 Is the Last Update in the Series \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 19:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/T3oEzUkbrQ	Jul 16 19:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 19:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 19:54
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 19:58
DaemonFC	Windows is a great way to see more of your family outside of the holiday seasons.	Jul 16 19:58
DaemonFC	Just give them a laptop with Windows on it for Christmas, and they'll be breaking down your door all the time asking you to un**** it for them. ;)	Jul 16 19:58
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 19:58
DaemonFC	I knew good things were in the pipeline when Google bought Android and I heard "linux" and "phone",	Jul 16 19:58
DaemonFC	It felt like I waited forever to have the opportunity to buy a smartphone, because none existed before that.	Jul 16 19:58
DaemonFC	I'm watching Firefox OS, but right now it still sounds a lot like the first iPhone, where it was just a web browser on a phone and Jobs was all like "Apps!? We don't need apps!". Bleh!	Jul 16 19:58
MinceR	huh? smartphones existed long before that	Jul 16 19:59
MinceR	treos, for example	Jul 16 20:01
DaemonFC	What's a treos?	Jul 16 20:09
MinceR	plural of treo.	Jul 16 20:31
abeNd-org	oh the old Treos were great	Jul 16 20:33
abeNd-org	650 was the first great smartphone	Jul 16 20:33
abeNd-org	palm lacked in the marketing dept, which was kinda sad	Jul 16 20:34
MinceR	indeed	Jul 16 20:37
MinceR	also kinda sad when they licensed a kernel that could multitask but didn't pay enough for multitasking	Jul 16 20:38
MinceR	and so they couldn't multitask when symbian could	Jul 16 20:38
DaemonFC	That sucks. Why couldn't they just use a Free kernel?	Jul 16 20:38
MinceR	dunno	Jul 16 20:38
MinceR	they would have used one in Palm OS 6	Jul 16 20:38
MinceR	but that didn't happen	Jul 16 20:39
MinceR	they came up with webOS instead	Jul 16 20:39
MinceR	but that had a free kernel too :>	Jul 16 20:39
DaemonFC	That's always funny when a company has a product that could be good, but they nickel and dime it to death and they tank.	Jul 16 20:39
MinceR	indeed	Jul 16 20:42
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Treo	Jul 16 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Palm Treo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 16 20:51
DaemonFC	Windows Mobile	Jul 16 20:52
DaemonFC	Blecth!	Jul 16 20:52
MinceR	normally they shipped Palm OS, though	Jul 16 20:52
MinceR	funny how they had to shrink the screen for the winblows versions because poor little winblows mobile couldn't handle more than 320x240 pixels	Jul 16 20:52
MinceR	typical microsoft scalability.	Jul 16 20:53
abeNd-org	the centro was a great phone	Jul 16 20:57
abeNd-org	the last palmos 5.x, & solid little phone too	Jul 16 20:57
abeNd-org	it was "small" but the keyboard was still plenty usable	Jul 16 20:57
abeNd-org	& it could survive mother in laws running theirs through the wash twice	Jul 16 20:57
abeNd-org	3rd time killed the battery	Jul 16 20:57
abeNd-org	then we got her a palm pixi, she did the same thing to it too, it lasted through 2 washings & the 3rd killed the mic/speakers/battery, but the device would still power on	Jul 16 20:58
MinceR	i don't know why people treat their phones so harshly	Jul 16 21:00
abeNd-org	knock on particle board, ive never broken one of mine	Jul 16 21:03
abeNd-org	the MiL's excuse is the centro/pixi were so light she didnt notice them in her pockets, & she is a taller woman so those phone were pretty small	Jul 16 21:03
abeNd-org	so now shes got an iphone with one of those obnoxiously large gorilla cases	Jul 16 21:04
abeNd-org	but when she had the centro/pixi she used them, so they werent a problem for an "elderly" person	Jul 16 21:04
MinceR	i did have a phone the hinge mechanism in which broke the thing from the inside	Jul 16 21:04
abeNd-org	the iphone though her brother suggested, she cant stand :P	Jul 16 21:04
MinceR	it might have had a crack prior to it though, i'm not sure	Jul 16 21:05
MinceR	http://www.szeretlekmagyarorszag.hu/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/asp_620_kerekessz.jpg	Jul 16 21:07
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schestowitz	heh	Jul 16 21:29
DaemonFC	Japa Mala Illo My hexchat experience is too awesome, I can't handle it. Do you have a fix for that?	Jul 16 21:33
DaemonFC	HexChat Um, how about... switching to mIRC for a while?	Jul 16 21:33
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 16 21:33
abeNd-org	pidgin ftw!	Jul 16 21:33
MinceR	lol	Jul 16 21:34
abeNd-org	sync my profiles/settings/etc cross platform via dropbox	Jul 16 21:34
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks for the screenshots, will use them soon	Jul 16 21:34
abeNd-org	seriously, pidgin is great, i have aim/yahoo/msn/skype/multiple irc networks/steam/google chat/groupwise IM all in one interface	Jul 16 21:34
DaemonFC	abeNd-org, Have you heard of Telepathy?	Jul 16 21:35
DaemonFC	It has the Haze plug-in too, so it can tap into libpurple.	Jul 16 21:36
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abeNd-org	no,i havent	Jul 16 21:36
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abeNd-org	doesnt look crossplatform	Jul 16 21:37
DaemonFC	It has a frontend for GNOME and KDE that I know of.	Jul 16 21:38
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepathy_(software)	Jul 16 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Telepathy (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hrhir ]		Jul 16 21:38
abeNd-org	yea, but for work i still have to use windows, no matter how much people here hate it, it still dominates the enterprise	Jul 16 21:39
MinceR	the enterprise does not consist entirely of desktop pc-s	Jul 16 21:41
MinceR	and some enterprises have minimal winblows usage	Jul 16 21:41
abeNd-org	all the ones i work for do	Jul 16 21:41
MinceR	sucks to be them	Jul 16 21:41
abeNd-org	well, going back to financial apps, there are no alternatives on linux for the likes of http://www.cchgroup.com/roles/accounting-firms/prosystem-fx	Jul 16 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cchgroup.com \| ProSystem fx® Suite [ http://ur1.ca/hrhjb ]		Jul 16 21:42
abeNd-org	so, there is no way they could use linux if they wanted to	Jul 16 21:42
MinceR	yeah, there's no way such software could be developed for GNU/Linux	Jul 16 21:43
MinceR	or ported to it	Jul 16 21:43
MinceR	right?	Jul 16 21:43
MinceR	also, wine doesn't exist	Jul 16 21:43
abeNd-org	developer wont port to linux & doesnt support it running on wine, already asked	Jul 16 21:43
MinceR	then they'll be beaten by somebody who will	Jul 16 21:44
abeNd-org	& when it comes to dealing with company/rich individual taxes, you dont want to screw up things	Jul 16 21:44
MinceR	exactly	Jul 16 21:44
MinceR	so you don't want to run microsoft software	Jul 16 21:44
abeNd-org	so far no one has even talked about linux alternatives	Jul 16 21:44
MinceR	so they do want to screw up things, after all	Jul 16 21:45
MinceR	good for them	Jul 16 21:45
abeNd-org	so, if there is no linux alternative, & none on the horizon, you cant use a non-existent linux product	Jul 16 21:45
MinceR	yeah, it's not like a business could pay someone to develop a new product	Jul 16 21:46
MinceR	such things never happen.	Jul 16 21:46
abeNd-org	yes, but you have full vendor support running it in a supported environment, and if something is hosed up, it is on the vendor's head. if i were to run this in linux/wine, it would be on my head	Jul 16 21:46
abeNd-org	yes, sure, someone could, but no one has	Jul 16 21:46
MinceR	interesting how that vendor believes they can support an environment that is under microsoft's control	Jul 16 21:46
abeNd-org	feel free to email & ask them about it	Jul 16 21:47
MinceR	i don't care that much	Jul 16 21:47
abeNd-org	i already have & they said no linux, not even on the back end	Jul 16 21:47
MinceR	i'm not the customer	Jul 16 21:47
MinceR	if they insist on being incompetent, maybe it will doom them one day, maybe it won't	Jul 16 21:47
abeNd-org	& that is just one example, http://www.shelbysystems.com/ is another example that is pure windows, & there is no linux alternative	Jul 16 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.shelbysystems.com \| Church Management Software \| Shelby Systems - Shelby Systems : Church Management Software		Jul 16 21:48
MinceR	i'm sure lots of businessed to church management	Jul 16 21:48
MinceR	s/d to/s do/	Jul 16 21:48
abeNd-org	I have plenty of linux back end servers for file/print/dns/dhcp/etc at different customers, but if the product is mssql based, then it is going to be on windows, & if there is no alternative, then you are stuck with windows	Jul 16 21:49
MinceR	if the product is mssql based then it's going to suck	Jul 16 21:49
MinceR	i've used mssql once and it was enough for life	Jul 16 21:49
abeNd-org	another one that is windows only & there is no linux (server or client) alternative http://www.librarica.com/	Jul 16 21:51
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abeNd-org	id love some patron management software that can manage windows/linux/osx with a windows or linux backend & is SIP2 compliant so it can dovetail properly into http://evergreen-ils.org/egdownloads/ (which actually does have a linux backend & windows/linux clients)	Jul 16 21:53
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abeNd-org	even simple things like the management software to access points http://www.ubnt.com/download/ run apache for windows, but don't have a linux version	Jul 16 21:56
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MinceR	some of it will probably be taken care of by the cloud hype	Jul 16 21:56
MinceR	after all, if your clients are just using a web browser, it doesn't matter that much if they move to a different platform	Jul 16 21:56
abeNd-org	right, & a lot of that cloud will be windows powered	Jul 16 21:56
MinceR	unlikely	Jul 16 21:56
abeNd-org	again, if there isnt a linux version of it, you cant run it in linux	Jul 16 21:57
MinceR	again, if your business needs a GNU/Linux version, it will have one made	Jul 16 21:57
abeNd-org	why would a company spend its own money for someone to create a full featured enterprise app when one that does everything they need already exists?	Jul 16 21:58
MinceR	the company would have to spend its own money on it anyway	Jul 16 21:58
abeNd-org	forget the platform, it doesnt make sense to build from scratch	Jul 16 21:58
MinceR	notice how these companies all want to sell it	Jul 16 21:58
MinceR	it made sense to build from scratch for the ones you're linking to	Jul 16 21:58
MinceR	afaik those markets aren't barred to newcomers yet	Jul 16 21:59
abeNd-org	i know a lot of auto dealerships around here all had customer built auto software, some windows, some linux, most have quit developing it & moved to the ADP platform because it had way more options than their internally maintained ever did	Jul 16 21:59
abeNd-org	& the ADP platform is on windows for the backend, & while the front end is webbased it still uses .net for windows	Jul 16 22:00
abeNd-org	& those that did have linux custom backends only had windows clients, because everything else in the business at the client level ran on windows	Jul 16 22:01
MinceR	preach on, i've got to get some sleep now	Jul 16 22:03
abeNd-org	as i said, ive got plenty of linux back end	Jul 16 22:04
abeNd-org	but if there isnt linux software for task X, then i cant use linux for it	Jul 16 22:04
MinceR	as i said, if i'm a business, and i need GNU/Linux software for task X, i'll have GNU/Linux software for task X	Jul 16 22:05
MinceR	that's how business works	Jul 16 22:05
abeNd-org	then there isnt much demand for GNU/Linux software for common enterprise tasks	Jul 16 22:06
abeNd-org	^outside of the server room	Jul 16 22:06
MinceR	microsoft is working on that	Jul 16 22:06
MinceR	case in point: vista, 7, 8	Jul 16 22:06
abeNd-org	accounting/hr/etc	Jul 16 22:06
abeNd-org	well, no one has stepped up as of yet to provide a meaningful GNU/Linux alternative to any of the softwares ive mentioned	Jul 16 22:07
abeNd-org	if they did, & companies thought it usable, they would have bought it	Jul 16 22:08
abeNd-org	or, dared to go the self support route if there was no company behind the opensource version	Jul 16 22:09
abeNd-org	& sometimes even with opensource versions that work just fine there is no business buy in	Jul 16 22:09
abeNd-org	i deployed dotproject, ldap enabled it for logins, etc as an alternative to buying msproject/project server for all the managers	Jul 16 22:09
abeNd-org	they tried it for a few days, said no, & submitted the PO for msproject	Jul 16 22:10
abeNd-org	same with openfire/spark, great IM server, but doesnt hold a candle optionwise to things like GroupwiseIM, lotus sametime, or microsoft lync	Jul 16 22:13
abeNd-org	ive done plenty of ldap enabled openfire servers against AD & eDirectory, worked great, but users wanted more options than it could provide	Jul 16 22:14
MinceR	yeah, AD was so great when it forgot my password	Jul 16 22:15
MinceR	so was exchange when it delivered my mail into the trash for a week, and then deleted them	Jul 16 22:15
MinceR	companies will go with microsoft if they don't mind losing their data	Jul 16 22:16
MinceR	it's their problem	Jul 16 22:16
abeNd-org	i havent seen ad or edir forget a users password, seen plenty of pebkac issues along those lines though :P	Jul 16 22:16
abeNd-org	but ive seen every mail system hose up, google apps (not talking gmail), exchange, lotus notes, groupwise (be it on windows, linux, or netware)	Jul 16 22:17
MinceR	must have been pebkac that a password stored in various places suddenly wasn't considered correct	Jul 16 22:17
MinceR	must be a lot simpler explanation than a single point of failure, right?	Jul 16 22:18
abeNd-org	im not sure what was hosed up in that particular AD enviroment, not saying it couldnt have done it, im just saying i havent seen it in the many networks ive worked with	Jul 16 22:18
MinceR	also, i'm sure all companies can afford the loss of productivity that randomly losing focus and randomly rebooting causes	Jul 16 22:18
MinceR	and the retraining for each new winblows and office version must be without cost as well	Jul 16 22:19
abeNd-org	that said i am sure openldap isnt perfect either	Jul 16 22:19
MinceR	so you don't know but you knock it because it isn't microsoft	Jul 16 22:19
abeNd-org	oh man, openoffice/libreoffice, i have tried & tried to get buy in with that, even on windows	Jul 16 22:19
abeNd-org	but when they try to open a simple word doc & formatting is all hosed up, they give up on it	Jul 16 22:19
MinceR	so they've locked their documents into a broken proprietary format	Jul 16 22:20
MinceR	and it's OO/LO's fault	Jul 16 22:20
abeNd-org	or features, say excel's pivot table https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guide/Calc_and_Excel - even the wiki says OO is limited in it's ability compared to excel	Jul 16 22:24
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abeNd-org	so if the user needs the option & the GNU/Linux software doesnt provide it, they arent going to use it	Jul 16 22:24
abeNd-org	in the end, it is the end user/manager that writes the check, so what they say goes, & if they want a windows version, then that is what they get	Jul 16 22:28
abeNd-org	i do my best to educate them on the alternatives if there are any	Jul 16 22:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Developers Can Get The First MDK (Module	Jul 16 22:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Delivers Enterprise-Grade Ceph Storage	Jul 16 22:38
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schestowitz	[16:46] <TweetSchestowitz> @wikileaks UK surveillance operation agaisnt #Assange hits	Jul 17 00:38
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schestowitz	[16:46] <TweetSchestowitz> (govwaste.co.uk) #svpol #sweden More:	Jul 17 00:38
schestowitz	[16:46] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/0Sqa2fneHf (freeassangenow.org)	Jul 17 00:38
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schestowitz	http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hqG_rNQfQIQ/U8VhFbhBYNI/AAAAAAACDXo/qgykkowAmXU/s1600/944408_10151711300187518_434443310_n.jpg	Jul 17 00:48
schestowitz	With the ability to manipulate polls, Western spooks have a strong toolbox which includes manipulating opinions on an oppressor or occupier in foreign nations	Jul 17 00:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cheery social robot owes it all to its inner	Jul 17 07:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No Chaos KaOS, LibreSSL Fixed, and More KDE 5	Jul 17 10:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OFE: 'Continued discrimination in IT	Jul 17 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	procurement' http://t.co/WLZsygwTax	Jul 17 10:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice-from-Collabora 4.2 released to the	Jul 17 12:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GhostBSD 4.0 BETA 3 now available	Jul 17 12:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Distribution Basics: Rolling Releases vs.	Jul 17 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	Standard Releases http://t.co/6LUaTvgLDi	Jul 17 12:37
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schestowitz	> http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/07/17/microsoft-job-cuts/12772901/	Jul 17 17:49
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schestowitz	>	Jul 17 17:49
schestowitz	> What to you want to bet that the severance packages contain	Jul 17 17:49
schestowitz	> non-disparagement / non-compete clauses of some kind? They will spread	Jul 17 17:49
schestowitz	> like a cloud of toxins to new employers. And how many temps /	Jul 17 17:49
schestowitz	> permatemps are going, too?	Jul 17 17:49
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DaemonFC	They named the infirmary at the Miami County Correctional Facility after my aunt.	Jul 17 17:58
DaemonFC	The dedication ceremony was today.	Jul 17 17:58
schestowitz	> http://www.infoworld.com/t/open-source-software/were-living-in-post-open-source-world-246448	Jul 17 18:10
schestowitz	>	Jul 17 18:10
schestowitz	> trolling for Black Duck	Jul 17 18:10
schestowitz	Unfortunately, the problem is this case is what Red Hat called "Asayroll" (troll) and I call Mac Asay. He used to be a fan of the GPL but then turned against it. Black Duck is just one among several data points he uses. I think the other one is (at least was) partly Microsoft-funded.	Jul 17 18:10
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4415469	Jul 17 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #cbs #cnet has removed (censored I assume) a classic article about company that ditched Microsoft. Follow links: http://mrpogson.com/2013/02/14/50-years-old-and-12-years-free-of-m-ernie-ball/		Jul 17 18:26
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schestowitz	"The BSA was one of the biggest reasons I left Windows. It's stupid to prosecute sysadmins since we usually cannot decide what software to use, and refusing to install pirated software is an invitation to be fired. That's why I left the Windows license management and BSA problems to Windows lovers long time ago. And fuck #Microsoft."	Jul 17 18:26
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4417879	Jul 17 18:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Reporting about #nsa has helped The Guardian http://adage.com/article/media/mec-exec-eamonn-store-named-ceo-guardian-u-s/294120/ there is still a market for facts, too, not propaganda		Jul 17 18:29
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DaemonFC	GNOME Web 3.12.1 beat Firefox 30 on Peacekeeper. Web scored 2644 and Firefox 30 scored 2512.	Jul 17 18:29
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4417645	Jul 17 18:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The World's Next Major Trade Agreement Will Make #NSA Spying Even Easier http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-trans-pacific-partnership-will-make-nsa-spying-easier all about serving those in power		Jul 17 18:30
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DaemonFC	I just edited it to have it subscribe to Easylist+EasyPrivacy and Fanboy's Annoyances.	Jul 17 18:49
DaemonFC	That seems to have gotten everything that Easylist missed by itself.	Jul 17 18:49
DaemonFC	and adblock warning removal list too. B-)	Jul 17 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Creator Linus Torvalds is Your Guide in	Jul 17 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	This Rare Look Inside His Home Office	Jul 17 19:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox OS Ecosystem Shows Strong Momentum and	Jul 17 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	Expands Across New Devices, Markets and	Jul 17 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	Categories http://t.co/1iA59tNXyU	Jul 17 19:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx (www.x.org) Server 1.16	Jul 17 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	Officially Released With Terrific Features	Jul 17 19:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The state of accessibility in Linux and open	Jul 17 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	source software http://t.co/JHITrKd5oP	Jul 17 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 19:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenMW 0.31 Has A Ton Of Changes	Jul 17 19:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UBUNTU 13.10 SAUCY SALAMANDER END OF LIFE: JULY	Jul 17 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	17, 2014 http://t.co/fGa8WRAcv2	Jul 17 19:48
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DaemonFC	I've pulled in the latest GNOME 3.12 packages.	Jul 17 21:06
DaemonFC	I did up a sort of Classic Desktop and it seems to work fine.	Jul 17 21:06
DaemonFC	Their official Classic Session has a "blah" color scheme to it, so I just installed the extensions into the regular session.	Jul 17 21:06
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4420640	Jul 17 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jimmy Carter: “The Rest of the World, Almost Unanimously, Looks at America as the Number 1 Warmonger” http://www.globalresearch.ca/breakdown-in-diplomacy-at-the-un-security-council-who-is-behind-the-most-terrible-crimes-in-the-history-of-humanity-syria-or-the-us/5391402		Jul 17 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.globalresearch.ca \| Breakdown in Diplomacy at the UN Security Council. Who is Behind “The Most Terrible Crimes in the History of Humanity”, Syria or the US? \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/hrqat ]		Jul 17 21:40
schestowitz	"Which they are , aren't they?"	Jul 17 21:40
schestowitz	"I'm not seeing any counter arguments here. And I am offering none."	Jul 17 21:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4420354	Jul 17 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CIA drones kill at least 13 in Pakistan: the bloodiest strike for more than a year http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/07/16/cia-drones-kill-at-least-13-in-pakistan-the-bloodiest-strike-for-more-than-a-year/ suspected adults		Jul 17 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thebureauinvestigates.com \| CIA drones kill at least 13 in Pakistan: the bloodiest strike for more than a year \| The Bureau of Investigative Journalism [ http://ur1.ca/hrqaz ]		Jul 17 21:41
schestowitz	"	Jul 17 21:41
schestowitz	The "Lion of the Punjab"	Jul 17 21:41
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MianNawazSharif#United_States	Jul 17 21:41
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DaemonFC	So, I've been using GNOME Web for a couple of days now....	Jul 17 23:17
DaemonFC	It's actually pretty nice. It's fast, stable, and reasonably easy to use.	Jul 17 23:18
DaemonFC	I don't know why they renamed it "Web".	Jul 17 23:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Final Version of FreeBSD 9.3 Arrives with	Jul 17 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	Improved ZFS Filesystem http://t.co/uvfrxVhGND	Jul 17 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrqzi	Jul 17 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Final Version of FreeBSD 9.3 Arrives with Improved ZFS Filesystem \| Tux Machines		Jul 17 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 21 Starts Working Towards Its Alpha	Jul 17 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	Release http://t.co/19J6KCyz4y	Jul 17 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrqzm	Jul 17 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 21 Starts Working Towards Its Alpha Release \| Tux Machines		Jul 17 23:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenWRT adds IPv6, preps for IoT future	Jul 18 06:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jLYBhh8GRP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 06:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489920069904769024	Jul 18 06:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenWRT adds IPv6, preps for IoT future \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 06:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calibre 1.45 eBook Reader and Editor Brings	Jul 18 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements for Kindle Books	Jul 18 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Mc5Jxfoq09 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hru5r	Jul 18 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Calibre 1.45 eBook Reader and Editor Brings Improvements for Kindle Books \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Fitness Apps for Google Chrome and Chrome	Jul 18 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	OS http://t.co/30RVtYw1Gh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hru61	Jul 18 07:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best Fitness Apps for Google Chrome and Chrome OS \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 21 Alpha, Project Mayhem, and Linus'	Jul 18 08:20
TweetTuxMachines	Office http://t.co/zeLOgJCmFb	Jul 18 08:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 08:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut0	Jul 18 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 21 Alpha, Project Mayhem, and Linus' Office \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 08:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snowden on Dropbox: It’s hostile to privacy	Jul 18 08:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KFKkLiv3ZR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 08:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut1	Jul 18 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Snowden on Dropbox: It’s hostile to privacy \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 08:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RadeonSI Gallium3D Now Supports GL4 Indirect	Jul 18 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	Drawing Too http://t.co/f5cSwzr6dx	Jul 18 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut2	Jul 18 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| RadeonSI Gallium3D Now Supports GL4 Indirect Drawing Too \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromebook – What it is and what it isn’t.	Jul 18 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pirQVb6KBC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut3	Jul 18 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Chromebook – What it is and what it isn’t. \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 08:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Slackware Turns 21 Years Old	Jul 18 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sOOAaUVt67 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hruv1	Jul 18 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Slackware Turns 21 Years Old \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox OS lands in Germany – with France,	Jul 18 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	Asia, and more to come http://t.co/TmySe9Ql7w	Jul 18 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hruv5	Jul 18 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox OS lands in Germany – with France, Asia, and more to come \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Robolinux 7.5.5 Brings the Fully Encrypted	Jul 18 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	Cloud Service Spider Oak for Free to Its Users	Jul 18 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GZyg6X8Onb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hruvc	Jul 18 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Robolinux 7.5.5 Brings the Fully Encrypted Cloud Service Spider Oak for Free to Its Users \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 08:36
MinceR	geekings	Jul 18 08:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux System Administration Skills are Changing	Jul 18 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pMDDFlyidC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrvby	Jul 18 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux System Administration Skills are Changing \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A juggernaut like the NHS won’t find it easy to	Jul 18 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	drop Windows for open source - but it should	Jul 18 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5ZoCqDYN70 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrvc5	Jul 18 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A juggernaut like the NHS won’t find it easy to drop Windows for open source - but it should \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PredictionIO’s $2.5M money bag suggests	Jul 18 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	open-source is right for machine learning	Jul 18 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Wd1SNDA3ka (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 10:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrvc6	Jul 18 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| PredictionIO’s $2.5M money bag suggests open-source is right for machine learning \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 10:11
Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/staff/2014/07/op-ed-microsoft-layoff-e-mail-typifies-inhuman-corporate-insensitivity/	Jul 18 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Op-Ed: Microsoft layoff e-mail typifies inhuman corporate insensitivity \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hrvdl ]		Jul 18 10:18
Sosumi	this why you should always aim to be the employer and never the employe	Jul 18 10:18
Sosumi	and ofc, try to be better than that in case you’re actually the employer	Jul 18 10:19
Sosumi	because you might end up with egg in the face, specially if the employ decides to take on your IT infastrocture down the road once things have settled down	Jul 18 10:20
Sosumi	let’s hope someone set it on fire	Jul 18 10:20
Sosumi	just like on “office space” movie	Jul 18 10:20
Sosumi	http://images.tzaam.com/full/10k.jpg	Jul 18 10:32
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DaemonFC	Well, Polari still needs a lot of work.	Jul 18 11:37
DaemonFC	https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Polari	Jul 18 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.gnome.org \| Apps/Polari - GNOME Wiki!		Jul 18 11:38
DaemonFC	I tried the latest version, which is apparently easy to use, and I was dumbfounded and spent about 20 minutes yesterday just trying to get onto Freenode and into a chat room.	Jul 18 11:38
DaemonFC	Once I managed to do that, it insisted on opening up dialog tabs for Chanserv and Nickserv messages, when every other client I've seen that lasted more than 5 minutes on my computer just routed them into the main server tab and maybe the tab for the room I was looking at at the moment.	Jul 18 11:40
DaemonFC	When I tried closing the Chanserv and Nickserv tabs, it kept reopening them and alerting me to the last message again, opening a notification through GNOME's notification system.	Jul 18 11:41
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DaemonFC	It also has two independent network configuration applets. One of its own, and one that seems to work through the GNOME Accounts applet.	Jul 18 11:41
DaemonFC	It's a shame, because it could be a good program if it just worked a little bit differently, but there are no preferences to set.	Jul 18 11:42
DaemonFC	And the built-in configuration applet should die and bring up the global one.	Jul 18 11:42
*DaemonFC is always interested in trying out new software.		Jul 18 11:42
DaemonFC	I really like what they did with the rest of GNOME 3.12, but Linus Torvalds was right that some of the extensions should be there by default, and the Tweak Tool should be integrated into the Control Panel.	Jul 18 11:43
DaemonFC	What we have going on with the Tweak Tool is like that old Devil's Pie applet. GNOME keeps insisting that their way is better and we do not need customization or advanced preferences, and then they end up making it frustrating by default, but fixable with all this stuff that you apparently should just know exists.	Jul 18 11:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.10 Netbook Edition is now	Jul 18 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	available! http://t.co/hev1sNbvMo	Jul 18 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwcw	Jul 18 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro 0.8.10 Netbook Edition is now available! \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kerala Legislature announces smooth transition	Jul 18 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	to free software http://t.co/MZzi8vE3WA	Jul 18 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwcy	Jul 18 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kerala Legislature announces smooth transition to free software \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Avoid the Android vampire apps	Jul 18 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UJcMTgRXsH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/490123825346920449	Jul 18 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Avoid the Android vampire apps \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 4.2 Beta 1 Is Now Based on XBMC	Jul 18 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	“Gotham” 13.2 Beta 1 and Linux Kernel 3.15	Jul 18 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gCoXoXiwIc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwd2	Jul 18 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenELEC 4.2 Beta 1 Is Now Based on XBMC “Gotham” 13.2 Beta 1 and Linux Kernel 3.15 \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/cyi1S4tn0g	Jul 18 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwd4	Jul 18 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/L92vg1GMpb	Jul 18 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwds	Jul 18 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/lAGV6XedBc	Jul 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwe1	Jul 18 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 13:28
DaemonFC	https://ikt.id.au/2011/03/28/why-i-avoid-adobe.html	Jul 18 13:46
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 18 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ikt.id.au \| Why I avoid Adobe. [ http://ur1.ca/hrwi6 ]		Jul 18 13:46
MinceR	to be fair, their winblows support also sucks	Jul 18 13:47
MinceR	i've seen more powerful laptops than mine running it on winblows and struggling with smooth fullscreen video playback	Jul 18 13:48
MinceR	http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/debian/2010-08-28-windows-applications-making-grub2-unbootable.html	Jul 18 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chiark.greenend.org.uk \| Colin Watson [ http://ur1.ca/1cov4 ]		Jul 18 13:53
DaemonFC	http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/07/18/3461625/aids-experts-malaysian-plane/	Jul 18 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thinkprogress.org \| The Malaysian Plane Crash May Be A Major Blow To AIDS Research \| ThinkProgress		Jul 18 14:11
DaemonFC	Any bets on when the "because God" crowd makes an appearance?	Jul 18 14:14
MinceR	lol	Jul 18 14:17
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 18 14:22
DaemonFC	I've seen users who bought a Mac Pro to run Linux on[1], because trying to use OS X as UNIX is a real non-starter.	Jul 18 14:22
DaemonFC	One of them that I speak to regularly on IRC[2][3] just built a nice PC this time, because he didn't like the Trash Can Pro.	Jul 18 14:22
DaemonFC	[1] (Red Hat has enough paying customers in this configuration to officially support it. I feel sorry for whoever has to deal with the Mac issues)	Jul 18 14:22
DaemonFC	[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat	Jul 18 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Internet Relay Chat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hrwp9 ]		Jul 18 14:22
DaemonFC	[3] http://hexchat.github.io/	Jul 18 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hexchat.github.io \| Home – HexChat		Jul 18 14:23
DaemonFC	(from an Amazon post of mine)	Jul 18 14:23
DaemonFC	MinceR, I fear that the day is coming soon where I'm going to buy a new computer.	Jul 18 14:24
DaemonFC	If nothing else, because I can't put any more RAM into this one.	Jul 18 14:24
DaemonFC	So, I can either upgrade my computer or downgrade my software.	Jul 18 14:24
DaemonFC	Even downgrading my desktop environment to one of those little ones that drives me nuts will only buy time.	Jul 18 14:25
DaemonFC	The web is getting so bloated that some of my tabs are using 250 MB of RAM (Facebook!) or something close to that.	Jul 18 14:25
DaemonFC	One....fucking....tab. 250 MB of RAM. Fuck Fuck Fuck.	Jul 18 14:26
DaemonFC	Is this shit getting ridiculous yet>	Jul 18 14:26
DaemonFC	I remember when I had 256 MB of RAM in the whole computer and I though "Wow! What a badass system. Nothing I do will overrun 256 MB of RAM!".	Jul 18 14:27
MinceR	it's ridiculous	Jul 18 14:27
DaemonFC	Now, it's ONE Facebook tab.	Jul 18 14:27
MinceR	but don't use dumbFuckBook	Jul 18 14:27
MinceR	:>	Jul 18 14:27
DaemonFC	It's not just them.	Jul 18 14:27
MinceR	i'm considering a move to lightweight browsers for much of my browsing	Jul 18 14:27
DaemonFC	I've seen a tab with a simple web forum page loaded that was up over 180.	Jul 18 14:27
MinceR	(Links2, Linkx, Dillo)	Jul 18 14:27
DaemonFC	Yeah. "Modern" websites are obese.	Jul 18 14:28
MinceR	the modern web "standards" are part of the problem	Jul 18 14:28
DaemonFC	They don't actually add anything to the experience.	Jul 18 14:28
MinceR	way too complex	Jul 18 14:28
MinceR	conforming implementations can't help being extremely complex as a result	Jul 18 14:28
MinceR	this isn't exactly good for security either	Jul 18 14:28
DaemonFC	Yeah. When Apple forked KHTML and KJS it came in at about 150,000 lines of source code.	Jul 18 14:28
DaemonFC	Webkit is almost to 6 million lines now, I believe.	Jul 18 14:29
MinceR	and it still keeps crashing	Jul 18 14:29
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 18 14:37
DaemonFC	Can you tell me anything that Apple has ever done to make computers better?	Jul 18 14:37
DaemonFC	When they forked KHTML and KJS around 2003, it was 140,000 lines of source code.[1]	Jul 18 14:37
DaemonFC	Now it's over 5,14 million.[2]	Jul 18 14:37
DaemonFC	One browser tab that loaded Facebook in Safari will use about 250-300 MB of RAM. Your average Mac only has about 4 GB in the current offerings, but many have less than that. Tick, tock!	Jul 18 14:37
DaemonFC	But, it's not like being able to upgrade your own RAM is important. rolls eyes Have fun destroying your Mac Mini or iMac in an attempt to do so, while you can, if Apple isn't soldering the modules in yet, like they do with the Macbook.[3]	Jul 18 14:37
DaemonFC	[1] http://lists.kde.org/?m=104197092318639	Jul 18 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.kde.org \| '(fwd) Greetings from the Safari team at Apple Computer' - MARC		Jul 18 14:38
DaemonFC	Said Apple, "...When we were evaluating technologies over a year	Jul 18 14:38
DaemonFC	ago, KHTML and KJS stood out. Not only were they the basis of an	Jul 18 14:38
DaemonFC	excellent modern and standards compliant web browser, they were also	Jul 18 14:38
DaemonFC	less than 140,000 lines of code. The size of your code and ease of	Jul 18 14:38
DaemonFC	development within that code made it a better choice for us than other	Jul 18 14:38
DaemonFC	open source projects."	Jul 18 14:38
DaemonFC	[2] http://www.ohloh.net/p/WebKit	Jul 18 14:38
DaemonFC	[3] http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/13/teardown_of_retina_display_macbook_pro_finds_soldered_ram_propreitary_ssd	Jul 18 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ohloh.net \| The WebKit Open Source Project on Ohloh		Jul 18 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com \| Teardown of Retina MacBook Pro finds soldered RAM, proprietary SSD [ http://ur1.ca/hrwsb ]		Jul 18 14:38
DaemonFC	http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/05/glasshole-sh/	Jul 18 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org \| jwz: glasshole.sh [ http://ur1.ca/hrwth ]		Jul 18 14:43
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 18 14:43
DaemonFC	"Find and kick Google Glass devices from your local wireless network."	Jul 18 14:43
MinceR	find and kick crApple devices from your local wireless network.	Jul 18 14:53
DaemonFC	I modded my post about the Macs.	Jul 18 14:54
DaemonFC	"This is why the 2014 Mac Mini is generally worse than the PC I built in 2009, which I am typing this on. Also, the hard drive in the current $600 Mac Mini is still slower, the processor is slower, and the graphics chipset in the Mac Mini is horrendously underpowered compared to my Nvidia card. This goes along with the "Macs are a ripoff, no matter the model." maxim. They're targeting PC users who want to buy a Mac without taking out a	Jul 18 14:54
DaemonFC	second mortgage, but they're giving them a comically weak system that isn't even close to worth the money."	Jul 18 14:54
DaemonFC	"I could buy a new Mac, but what's the point of getting something slower than the five year old technology that I still use every day without any trouble, thanks partially to the incredible efficiency of Linux?	Jul 18 14:59
DaemonFC	At this rate, it's unclear if the Mac Mini's hardware will beat my 2009 PC before 2019 or so.	Jul 18 14:59
DaemonFC	They should have called the Mac Mini "Time Machine" because it takes you ten years back in time."	Jul 18 14:59
MinceR	lol	Jul 18 15:00
DaemonFC	http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/07/linus-torvalds-messy-desk-video	Jul 18 15:32
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DaemonFC	MinceR, I edited my comment about Webkit.	Jul 18 16:01
DaemonFC	"That's 36.71 times bigger, for those who do not want to bust out the calculator. I don't think they made it 36.71 times more useful. In fact, with all this new garbage, comes more spam, security problems, ads, tracking garbage, and web page "artistes" that think that it's just ****ing dandy to have a page that takes 10 times as long to load. I'll tell you what I am 36.71 times more grateful for now than I was in 2003. Adblock, Privoxy, and	Jul 18 16:01
DaemonFC	NoScript."	Jul 18 16:01
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Sosumi	actually, the thing with safari	Jul 18 17:22
Sosumi	is that it breaks itself into multiple processes	Jul 18 17:23
Sosumi	each one managing to sometimes take up to 1gig of ram	Jul 18 17:24
Sosumi	depending also on the plugins that are being called	Jul 18 17:24
Sosumi	if it is flash, then good luck :)	Jul 18 17:24
Sosumi	flash sucks	Jul 18 17:24
Sosumi	but sucks even more on osx	Jul 18 17:24
abeNd-org	still needed though for some enterprise apps/sites that havent moved to html5 yet, & then you still have the silverlight required garbage :(	Jul 18 17:31
abeNd-org	im kinda surprised apple discontinued safari on windows though, just because of the #s of windows machines	Jul 18 17:32
Sosumi	lol no	Jul 18 17:42
Sosumi	apple discontinued safari on windows because they just couldn’t keep up with feauture parity on both OSs	Jul 18 17:43
Sosumi	so instead of making two bad browsers	Jul 18 17:44
DaemonFC	"I noticed that some sites seem to direct you to Flash unless they think you're using an iPad, so I have my browser set to lie to a few sites and say it's Safari on an iPad.	Jul 18 17:44
DaemonFC	I can't believe that Apple has us back in the 90s, spoofing our browsers to get sites to work again."	Jul 18 17:44
Sosumi	they opted for one less bad	Jul 18 17:44
Sosumi	yeah	Jul 18 17:44
Sosumi	spoof the browser to get html5 instead of flash	Jul 18 17:45
Sosumi	and let me tell you	Jul 18 17:47
Sosumi	4GB of ram on mac	Jul 18 17:47
Sosumi	even if all you do is browse the web, email and casual home stuff	Jul 18 17:47
Sosumi	it won’t be enough	Jul 18 17:47
Sosumi	for that sort of usage you need minimun 6 GB	Jul 18 17:48
DaemonFC	"Oh, and those sites that I have to lie to and say my browser is Safari on an iPad before they give me my HTML 5 video, instead of trying to load Flash and failing.	Jul 18 17:48
DaemonFC	I usually send the website owner an obscene email regarding his maternal lineage."	Jul 18 17:48
abeNd-org	at least some sites like youtube allow you to opt for html5 instead	Jul 18 17:49
Sosumi	it lets you opt	Jul 18 17:49
Sosumi	but if you’re using safari even on the mac	Jul 18 17:50
Sosumi	it uses html5 by fefault	Jul 18 17:50
Sosumi	if you don’t have flash	Jul 18 17:50
abeNd-org	yea, i wish i would do that on windows, say firefox without flash installed, so it doesnt bother you to install it	Jul 18 17:51
abeNd-org	because invariably some moron installs "flash player pro" when they google for flash & install tons of crapware	Jul 18 17:51
abeNd-org	then you have chrome & ie11 on win8x with flash included	Jul 18 17:51
Sosumi	vista 8 comes with flash by default	Jul 18 17:51
Sosumi	I’m actually surprised M$ didn’t include it also on server 2012	Jul 18 17:52
abeNd-org	what is vista 8? such a product doesnt exist	Jul 18 17:52
abeNd-org	Windows 8x yes, it includes flash with ie11	Jul 18 17:52
Sosumi	windows 8	Jul 18 17:52
Sosumi	is a derivate of vista	Jul 18 17:52
abeNd-org	meh, im past kiddie name calling like micro$oft & crapple	Jul 18 17:53
abeNd-org	no one takes you seriously like that	Jul 18 17:53
Sosumi	yada yada	Jul 18 17:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CRUX 3.1 Distro Is for Linux Aficionados	Jul 18 18:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ck5Bkv7K6a (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 18:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrz4n	Jul 18 18:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CRUX 3.1 Distro Is for Linux Aficionados \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 18:45
MinceR	who takes abeNd-org seriously?	Jul 18 18:50
abeNd-org	not my customers when i suggest opensource solutions for them	Jul 18 18:58
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Sosumi	windows is open source	Jul 18 19:23
Sosumi	http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/openness/default.aspx#home	Jul 18 19:26
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Sosumi	ok, you can laugh now	Jul 18 19:26
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Sosumi	also, you don’t need to pay for m$ products in order to get support	Jul 18 19:29
schestowitz	http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-17/how-russian-hackers-stole-the-nasdaq#p1	Jul 18 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessweek.com \| How Russian Hackers Stole the Nasdaq - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/hs01f ]		Jul 18 19:30
schestowitz	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/01/16/technical-paper-black-hole-2/	Jul 18 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com \| Technical paper: Deeper inside the Blackhole exploit kit \| Naked Security [ http://ur1.ca/hs01l ]		Jul 18 19:30
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2011/02/17/security-and-reliability-record/#comment-110478	Jul 18 19:30
schestowitz	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/01/16/technical-paper-black-hole-2/	Jul 18 19:30
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Sosumi	apparently abeNd-org doesn’t know that companies that rely on free software make money by selling support	Jul 18 19:31
Sosumi	and specialized hardware	Jul 18 19:31
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 19:31
schestowitz	Microsoft mouthpiece uses an old Gnome2 screen and lack of details to vilify gnu/linux. Look at that screenshot! We are supposed to think the crackers used gnu/linux and that Nasdaq's gnu/linux servers were infested with "a mess of malware". An update has Nasdaq telling the Verge that there was no intrusion on the servers. If there was, details are important - Google got rid of Windows years ago because it was a weakness that allowed	Jul 18 19:31
schestowitz	compromise of other systems. Thanks to Snowden, now we know that Windows was intentionally weak and full of NSA back doors that government, private firms and crackers alike regularly abused.	Jul 18 19:31
schestowitz	The Bloomberg Businessweek [yes, that's a misleading name] article the Verge draws on is even worse. They cite problems Iran had with Microsoft software and Stuxnet without mentioning Windows to make people afraid of gnu/linux at Nasdaq. The Blackhole kit is mentioned to scare people but that too looks like the usual Windows exploiter that mostly uses "rogue" Apache modules. The "Director's Desk" intrusion is once again brought up, but	Jul 18 19:31
schestowitz	people at Techrights showed that was a Windows problem and that Microsoft blame was intentionally covered up at the time. The Nasdaq details are supposedly dangerous secrets that must not be told.	Jul 18 19:31
schestowitz	There is one thing of interest in the Bloomberg story, that a nebulous threat to stock exchanges is used as an excuse to spy on ordinary people,	Jul 18 19:31
schestowitz	In a speech last January, amid the scandal over the NSA’s collection of data on millions of Americans, Obama obliquely referred to the NSA’s ability to “intercept malware that targets a stock exchange” as one reason he opposed stripping the agency of its ability to intercept digital communications.	Jul 18 19:31
schestowitz	Back in 2010, most people would have said that a conspiracy by US military spies to weaken software was the purest of paranoid delusions. Yet it was so and now we see them using the results to gain even more power. Of course, none of these bad actors want people or businesses escaping to free software. They want "admins" to keep using Microsoft malware on their desktops and that compromises everything.	Jul 18 19:31
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 19:31
schestowitz	Sosumi: LOL, FOSSdows	Jul 18 19:31
Sosumi	summing it all up	Jul 18 19:34
Sosumi	windows is crap and costs money	Jul 18 19:34
abeNd-org	sosumi support companies do, but your average CPA firm doesnt do that sort of thing	Jul 18 19:35
abeNd-org	again, if there is no opensource alternative, there is no way for a company to take advantage of it. said company is not going to go through the expense of developing it inhouse when there is a windows version. especially when it comes to tax laws, there is no way an individual CPA firm can keep up with all the changes, but companies with products like lacerte & prosystems do	Jul 18 19:37
Sosumi	at least give examples	Jul 18 19:37
Sosumi	of that said windows software with no alternatives	Jul 18 19:38
Sosumi	if it CAD/CAM software	Jul 18 19:38
Sosumi	*is	Jul 18 19:38
Sosumi	then I understand	Jul 18 19:39
Sosumi	other than siemens NX which I personally use	Jul 18 19:39
Sosumi	there isn’t much out there	Jul 18 19:39
abeNd-org	the slew of financial & tax software from http://www.cchgroup.com/	Jul 18 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cchgroup.com \| Tax & Accounting Software \| Firms & Corporations \| Wolters Kluwer		Jul 18 19:39
abeNd-org	or Lacerte http://accountants.intuit.com/tax/lacerte/	Jul 18 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-accountants.intuit.com \| Discover Lacerte Tax Software for Professionals at Intuit Accountants [ http://ur1.ca/gkkct ]		Jul 18 19:40
abeNd-org	church management systems like http://www.shelbysystems.com/	Jul 18 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.shelbysystems.com \| Church Management Software \| Shelby Systems - Shelby Systems : Church Management Software		Jul 18 19:41
abeNd-org	SIP2 compatible library patron management systems like www.librarica.com (that work with SIP2 backends like evergreen which does have linux server/client components)	Jul 18 19:42
abeNd-org	ive got piles of other windows only client/server type products my customers use. sure some use linux for the simple things like file/print/dns/dhcp, but when it comes to the LoB app, more often than not there isnt even a linux version of it, & no the client nor server side would be supported by the vendor if you ran it in wine	Jul 18 19:44
MinceR	i can imagine how great those products can be if their authors thought it would be a good idea to run windows on a server	Jul 18 19:49
abeNd-org	show me a business viable alternative.....	Jul 18 19:50
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4423812	Jul 18 21:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Black box has not been recovered yet (why is it taking so long?), but Russian and Western media already "know" who to blame. Agenda at play.		Jul 18 21:11
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 21:11
schestowitz	So let me get this straight.	Jul 18 21:11
schestowitz	You're walking down the street and you see a gunfight. If you continue down your path, you will be caught in the crossfire.	Jul 18 21:11
schestowitz	But you do it anyway because a cop told you to?	Jul 18 21:11
schestowitz	Bullshit.	Jul 18 21:11
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 21:11
abeNd-org	oh im sure black box was recovered & disposed of already	Jul 18 21:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi 3D full-body scanner interview	Jul 18 21:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nNOGfWRUKf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 21:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0tv	Jul 18 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspberry Pi 3D full-body scanner interview \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 21:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships July Updates and Second Beta of	Jul 18 21:25
TweetTuxMachines	Applications and Platform 4.14	Jul 18 21:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hTuiKA1tla (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 21:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u4	Jul 18 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Ships July Updates and Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.14 \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 21:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/37gTwQ57jn	Jul 18 21:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 21:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u5	Jul 18 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 21:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 6 Excellent Lightweight Linux Distros for x86	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	and ARM http://t.co/f8ldFbHILk	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u7	Jul 18 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 6 Excellent Lightweight Linux Distros for x86 and ARM \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OSCON 2014 – The Art of Tizen UI Theme	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	Technology in Various Profiles	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8AXUy5MaWJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u8	Jul 18 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OSCON 2014 – The Art of Tizen UI Theme Technology in Various Profiles \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KernelASan: Bringing Address Sanitizer To The	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel http://t.co/d4dpkflOro	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u9	Jul 18 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KernelASan: Bringing Address Sanitizer To The Linux Kernel \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation SysAdmin Konstantin Ryabitsev,	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	an SELinux Expert http://t.co/C1pcCTakWv	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0ua	Jul 18 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation SysAdmin Konstantin Ryabitsev, an SELinux Expert \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 21:26
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abeNd-org	http://www.datamation.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3893871_2/50-Open-Source-Replacements-for-Popular-Financial-Software.htm none of this looks like it could handle what prosystemfx does	Jul 18 21:56
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MinceR	gn	Jul 18 23:58
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/07/citing-lack-of-interest-lenovo-pulls-8-inch-windows-tablets-from-the-us/	Jul 19 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Citing lack of interest, Lenovo pulls 8-inch Windows tablets from the US \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hs2ti ]		Jul 19 00:03
DaemonFC	"Microsoft's trouble in the small tablet market comes despite the fact that it's offering Windows for free on screens smaller than nine inches and the fact that Intel is selling many of its Bay Trail tablet chips at a loss to get the hardware into tablets in the first place."	Jul 19 00:07
DaemonFC	http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows-phone/24112/gartner-says-windows-phone-hit-10-market-share-2018-what-universe	Jul 19 00:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.computerworld.com \| Gartner says Windows Phone to hit 10% market share in 2018. In what universe is that? \| Computerworld Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/hs2w3 ]		Jul 19 00:20
DaemonFC	http://www.thestreet.com/story/12763746/1/microsoft-is-losing-market-share-it-cant-afford-to-lose.html	Jul 19 00:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestreet.com \| Microsoft Is Losing Market Share It Can't Afford To Lose - TheStreet [ http://ur1.ca/hs2wt ]		Jul 19 00:21
DaemonFC	Windows PC sales are still collapsing even though the death of XP has caused a "dead cat bounce" in sales.	Jul 19 00:24
DaemonFC	Some Microsoft-sponsored journalists are rushing to label the dead cat bounce as a "revival", even though the only thing that could even be considered a PC with major growth was the Chromebooks, which have increased their year over year sales by 250%.	Jul 19 00:24
DaemonFC	Windows Phone market share fell from 4.7% to 3.8% over the last year. A 20% decline. This came right after Microsoft fired all of the people from Nokia that were working on the Android-based phones. So much for giving people what they want.	Jul 19 00:24
DaemonFC	When will Microsoft learn that they can't throw their weight around in a market where they don't have any?	Jul 19 00:24
DaemonFC	http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows-phone/24112/gartner-says-windows-phone-hit-10-market-share-2018-what-universe	Jul 19 00:26
DaemonFC	"when you actually look at Gartner's numbers, no such revival can be found. In fact, Gartner projects that sales of traditional PCs (desktops and notebooks) will decline from 296 million in 2013 to 276 million in 2014, and then to under 262 million in 2015. How can a decline of 6.7% in 2014, and 5.3% in 2015 possibly be called a revival?"	Jul 19 00:26
DaemonFC	http://bgr.com/2014/07/01/windows-phone-market-share-3/	Jul 19 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| Windows Phone market share: Crash and burn \| BGR [ http://ur1.ca/hs2zs ]		Jul 19 00:28
DaemonFC	"The latest Kantar Worldpanel numbers for smartphone market share may not be surprising, but they are grim indeed for Microsoft. In the heart of the Windows empire in the United States, Windows Phone’s market share dropped from 4.7% to 3.6% between May 2013 and May 2014. In Germany, the decline was from 6.2% to 5.9%. In Brazil, the share remained flat at 5.5%. In China, Windows Phone saw a collapse from 3% to o.6%.	Jul 19 00:28
DaemonFC	This may seem like just another spring, a season among others. But look closer — we are in fact witnessing the final hope for any meaningful future for Windows Phone being snuffed out."	Jul 19 00:28
DaemonFC	http://wallstcheatsheet.com/technology/windows-8-1-may-not-be-the-answer-for-microsoft.html/?a=viewall	Jul 19 00:33
DaemonFC	"Many technology analysts have ripped Windows 8 as the lynchpin behind the historical collapse in personal computer sales and ultimate resignation of Steve Ballmer from his Microsoft CEO post. Detractors further derided Windows 8 as a misguided attempt to be all things to all people that actually ended up pleasing nobody. The Windows 8 interface was also somewhat infamous for jumbled tiles, awkward touch screen commands, and the lack of the	Jul 19 00:33
DaemonFC	classic Start Menu."	Jul 19 00:33
DaemonFC	"Successive reports out of research firm Gartner may confirm the idea the Microsoft lords over a shrinking PC empire. Gartner reported PC shipment tallies of 76.6 million units through the first calendar quarter of 2014. These results represented a 1.7 percent year-over-year decline between Q1 2013 and Q1 2014. Mikako Kitagawa, Gartner principal analyst, actually highlighted the end of XP support as easing the severity of the secular	Jul 19 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wallstcheatsheet.com \| Windows 8.1 May Not Be the Answer for Microsoft [ http://ur1.ca/hs30h ]		Jul 19 00:33
DaemonFC	decline in global PC shipments. The PC market has steadily deteriorated for eight straight quarters and has come off a 2013 that Gartner described as the "worst decline in history." The failure of Windows 8.1 to reinvigorate the PC market will obviously pose important ramifications for the long-term fortunes of Microsoft investors. Microsoft share prices have literally stalled out as dead money since 1999."	Jul 19 00:33
DaemonFC	Someone on Amazon wrote that they screwed up their iPhone.	Jul 19 01:18
DaemonFC	I replied...	Jul 19 01:18
DaemonFC	"Why would you even need to jailbreak a phone?	Jul 19 01:18
DaemonFC	Android lets you choose what software to run.	Jul 19 01:18
DaemonFC	Why risk screwing up an iPhone to make it useful? I don't get the long term gain here.	Jul 19 01:18
DaemonFC	Leave the iPhone where it belongs next time. On the shelf.	Jul 19 01:18
DaemonFC	I know better than to allow some company to control my computer like that. If Google removes an app from the Play Store, I'll just get it somewhere else. With Apple, there's nowhere else to go.	Jul 19 01:18
DaemonFC	It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Apple doesn't necessarily have your best interests in mind in their app store censorship decisions.	Jul 19 01:18
DaemonFC	And they do censor apps for all kinds of reasons."	Jul 19 01:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FOSS & the IRS: Now We're Talking	Jul 19 01:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mJQDab9Ahs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 01:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs3ay	Jul 19 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FOSS & the IRS: Now We're Talking \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 01:43
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 19 01:55
DaemonFC	http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/07/18/3-ios-7-cydia-tweaks-to-improve-siri/	Jul 19 01:55
DaemonFC	Apparently, they even let you dig in there and twiddle Siri's bits.	Jul 19 01:55
DaemonFC	Maybe they can stop her from saying "I'm sorry. I didn't understand that!" so often.	Jul 19 01:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com \| 3 iOS 7 Cydia Tweaks to Improve Siri [ http://ur1.ca/hs3cx ]		Jul 19 01:55
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4420493	Jul 19 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Malaysia Airlines: We've lost contact with plane" http://us.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/ why is it assumed to have been shot down without evidence (yet)?		Jul 19 03:25
schestowitz	"And what a wonder , the bastard who boasted around the internet about bringing downthe plane , was a serbian volunteer Iin bosnia . Fuckers ."	Jul 19 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> us.cnn.com \| U.S. official: Missile hit Malaysia Airlines plane - CNN.com		Jul 19 03:25
schestowitz	"Cronos , the missile that brought the plane down has video guidance , so the operator can actually see the plane as the missile gets to it . Strelkov , of whom I wrote in the lsst post , boosted they shot down the plane . Now , any trained soldier would know the difference between army aircraft and a civil airliner , but if you give dangerous weapons to fuckin mercenaries whi don't give a fuck about people's lives and can't tell the	Jul 19 03:27
schestowitz	difference between army and civilian targets , this is what you get . But what pisses me the most is that we have literate , smart people who can think for themselves , taking part of a fascist , evil russian empire , just because fuckin obama suports ukrainian cause . All empires are evil , be it british , amerikan or russian . Putin is a danger to the whole world , a fanatic raised in soviet union willing to destroy destinies of	Jul 19 03:27
schestowitz	milions just to see the russian empire all the way to finland . Soviets were no better than the nazis , just ask anyone in poland about the masacres they did there just about the s ame time hitler did .And now this crazy war-mongering putin decided he will rize that evil rusian empire again , and you are all concerned about russian minority in doneck . You call those bandits from russia who are raping ukraine 'rebels' . Not a single	Jul 19 03:27
schestowitz	voice about ukrainians in ukraine , nobody bothers to ask what happens when brave 'rebels' take ukraininan villages . Well , I can tell you from my own expirience what happens with villages that strelkov (donbas republic minister of defence) and his camarades take ; they burn , they raoe , they kill . Seen his work in bosnia , and it's ugly . Serbs even have a movie about these 'rebels' , it's called "pretty villages burn pretty" .	Jul 19 03:27
schestowitz	Stop supporting imperialistic motherfuckers , or one of these days , you'll wake up with the sound of their guns at your doorstep ."	Jul 19 03:27
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schestowitz	OK, according with this article the rebels might have downed that plane. Did they downed a civilian airliner on purpose? The article does not say that, it seems they believed they hit a military airplane.	Jul 19 03:28
schestowitz	What is the alternative? Let Kiev bomb them until all die? Why is Kiev using air strikes on civilian places? Do you think Kiev believes their air strikes kill only rebels? Why Kiev first sent bombers and then allowed air traffic over East Ukraine?	Jul 19 03:28
schestowitz	It's not like separatists were advancing towards Kiev, was Kiev the one that decided shelling and bombing East Ukraine would be a good way to liberate those poor people. Putin never accepted those provinces to join Russia.	Jul 19 03:28
schestowitz	Also, the separatists have been allowing OSCE observers in their territories, do you think that if they were committing atrocities the OSCE would not notice or say something?	Jul 19 03:28
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schestowitz	"We had osce in vukovar , go google how much it helped . Strelkov's buddies killed 500 people from the hospital . Those same people proudly fight in donbas now , cetniks . Strelkov boosts with them . Bosniaks had osce and un armed forces in srebrenica , yet 8,9 thousand were slaugtered . Mayve you should stop listening to russia today and marxsist sites , and inform yourself how donbas leaders speak of russian empire they are building	Jul 19 03:28
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schestowitz	"I'll search information about what you say, you might be right and hearing all the parties is the right thing to do."	Jul 19 03:29
schestowitz	"I know you're nordic , only I didn't figure out which of the countries . But consider that putin's "greater russia" includes finland . Think twice how would having a war with russia in your neighbourghood affect you . Putin will not stop ; chechenia , georgia , now ukraine . If he suceedes , finland might be next . And then what ? Russians are as dangerous as amerika , only more brutal . And if the rest of the world supports marxist	Jul 19 03:29
schestowitz	idea of greater nations consuming small ones, we have a century of war ahead . Everyone will look into neighbouring country and say , oh , there are people there that speak our language , let's invade . The world finally sees british empire shrink , and now the russian empire will rise ?"	Jul 19 03:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4423818	Jul 19 03:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Planes Avoid Ukraine After Malaysia Airlines Incident http://reason.com/24-7/2014/07/17/planes-avoid-ukraine-after-malaysia-airl many avoided it even beforehand		Jul 19 03:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> reason.com \| Planes Avoid Ukraine After Malaysia Airlines Incident - Reason 24/7 : Reason.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs4ww ]		Jul 19 03:30
schestowitz	"That is common sense, if commercial airlines avoid flying above Afghanistan why did they keep flying above Ukraine?"	Jul 19 03:30
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4423812	Jul 19 03:31
schestowitz	"I know who I blame: The pilots for flying through a war zone."	Jul 19 03:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Black box has not been recovered yet (why is it taking so long?), but Russian and Western media already "know" who to blame. Agenda at play.		Jul 19 03:31
schestowitz	"Hey asshole. Are you seriously blaming the victims? http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jul/18/mh17-recording-russian-colonel-rebels-discuss-disaster-video"	Jul 19 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| MH17: recording shows Russian colonel and rebels 'discussing disaster' – video \| World news \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs4x4 ]		Jul 19 03:32
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schestowitz	Yes, some of them. The ones who were in control of the plane and who knowingly flew through a war zone.	Jul 19 03:32
schestowitz	Absolutely.	Jul 19 03:32
schestowitz	That's right up there on the list of stupid things to do.	Jul 19 03:32
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schestowitz	"I agree, why companies think that flying through a war zone is a good idea? Do they read news? Would it be possible that flying above East Ukraine is cheaper that going around?"	Jul 19 03:32
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schestowitz	Assigning blame to the wrong parties is stupid. Can you all not read why airlines choose to fly over those routes? It's because they rely on an agency called the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) to determine which flights are safe.	Jul 19 03:33
schestowitz	http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/ukraine-authority-instructed-mh17-to-fly-at-33000ft-says-mas	Jul 19 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| Ukrainians instructed MH17 to fly at 10,000m, says MAS - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs4xd ]		Jul 19 03:33
schestowitz	So if you want to blame someone, first blame the morons who pulled the trigger, then the ICAO for failing to assign a higher risk level to the route.	Jul 19 03:33
schestowitz	Or is your solution for airline pilots to unilaterally decide to take a detour through their own perceived safe route while browsing Wikipedia?	Jul 19 03:33
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schestowitz	Here's more that's lacking from your assertions to blame the victims, more evidence. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysia-was-not-informed-that-flight-route-was-unsafe-says-transport-minis	Jul 19 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| No one declared MH17 flight path unsafe, says Liow - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs4xf ]		Jul 19 03:33
schestowitz	If no one tells you a bridge is unsafe, and it collapses when you cross it, are you going to blame yourself or the regulatory authorities?	Jul 19 03:33
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schestowitz	OK, the first article says that the company requested to flight higher so it shows concern, but I still think that deciding to fly over East Ukraine was a bad idea and I would expect those companies to know more, after all they carry passengers for profit. The second article supports the idea that the company did nothing irregular, illegal or uncommon, but following regulations is not the same as doing the right thing.	Jul 19 03:34
schestowitz	So who were the ones that authorized flying there? The Ukrainian government and European air traffic control body, and I think that saying that Kiev had no idea that might happen is nonsense.	Jul 19 03:34
schestowitz	Now the interesting part: why did the Ukrainian government and European air traffic control body authorized to fly there? Was it on purpose? And supposing that rebels shot down the airliner, why would they to that? Might be it on purpose?	Jul 19 03:34
schestowitz	I would not ask to think about Kiev shutting down the plane, it that were the case it would be very clear why.	Jul 19 03:34
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schestowitz	So let me get this straight.	Jul 19 03:34
schestowitz	You're walking down the street and you see a gunfight. If you continue down your path, you will be caught in the crossfire.	Jul 19 03:34
schestowitz	But you do it anyway because a cop told you to?	Jul 19 03:34
schestowitz	Bullshit.	Jul 19 03:34
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schestowitz	@mirko zlojic posted the following article in other thread:	Jul 19 03:35
schestowitz	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696389/That-blast-look-smoke-Sick-boast-laughing-rebels-saw-MH17-hit-missile-hours-leader-boasted-We-warned-not-fly-sky.html	Jul 19 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk \| 'That was a blast - look at the smoke': Sick boast of the laughing rebels as they 'saw MH17 hit by missile' - hours after leader boasted: 'We warned you - do not fly in our sky' \| Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/hrv2n ]		Jul 19 03:35
schestowitz	So it might be that rebels shot down that airplane, but nothing in the article backs the idea of rebels downing the airliner knowing it was civilian.	Jul 19 03:35
schestowitz	I see it this way:	Jul 19 03:35
schestowitz	Kiev bombs East Ukraine without need. Kiev allows air traffic over East Ukraine, and the lower the better. And just to be sure, Kiev makes some military aircraft look harmless disguising them as UN aircraft. Sooner or later this was going to happen.	Jul 19 03:35
schestowitz	And as I see it, this is all about not caring: Europe and the US were horrified about the supposed snipers of previous Ukraine president, but said nothing when right-wing militants burned people to death in a Trade Union Hall in Ukraine’s Odessa, did not care when Kiev cut electricity and water to East Ukraine, and gave a fuck when Kiev shelled and bombed it.	Jul 19 03:35
schestowitz	Had Europe and US really cared they would had pressed Kiev for a diplomatic solution to this, but that did not happened and now people is indignant because rebels do not choose carefully targets flying ten kilometers up.	Jul 19 03:35
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schestowitz	@David. Then that's some pretty lousy law enforcement going on. Malaysian Airlines had no idea the rebels would have SAMs. Who the hell would be able to bring down a commercial liner flying at 33,000 ft?	Jul 19 03:36
schestowitz	It's more like you are in a commercial flight flying above people with guns shooting at each other and any attempts at the blip in the sky is likely to fall far short.	Jul 19 03:36
schestowitz	So yeah, I call bullshit on your bullshit.	Jul 19 03:36
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schestowitz	@Cronos.	Jul 19 03:36
schestowitz	The second article supports the idea that the company did nothing irregular, illegal or uncommon, but following regulations is not the same as doing the right thing.	Jul 19 03:36
schestowitz	You are moving the goalpost in this debate. Yeah, it would be far safer if planes only took routes with zero-risks like not flying at all. Running a business also means balancing risk management, trust, and cost in return for profit.	Jul 19 03:36
schestowitz	And at this point, I don't think any neutral party gives a shit any more about intent, which to take a quote from feminism, intent isn't magic. They shot down students, AIDS researchers, family returning to their home for the first time in 3 years. I was neutral before in this whole Ukrainian-Russian-Rebel fiasco. Now I know where I stand.	Jul 19 03:36
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schestowitz	Actually a more appropriate criticism of my counterargument might be that when you're walking down the street you aren't doing so with something 300 human lives on the line.	Jul 19 03:37
schestowitz	That changes the stakes considerably. You can take chances with your own life that you can't take when others' lives are on the line.	Jul 19 03:37
schestowitz	Regardless of the desensitization we experience with endless war.	Jul 19 03:37
schestowitz	It was absolutely reckless to fly that plane in that airspace. And I don't really care what civil authorities you point your finger at: They aren't the ones on the scene. They aren't the ones risking their lives. If you are in control of that airplane, you are ultimately responsible.	Jul 19 03:37
schestowitz	No matter who tells you to do it. Because even if you don't think the rebels have SAMs, you know the government forces do, and the latter are at least half-way expecting a Russian invasion. In a war zone, you trust no one, least of all combatants.	Jul 19 03:37
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schestowitz	And as I previously stated, you have to trust someone at some point. No one in Malaysia is even remotely aware of SAMs being used in the Ukraine. And basing business decisions on the possibility of the Ukrainian government mistakenly shooting down a commercial plane is as likely as that of expecting America to down one just because it came from Iraq.	Jul 19 03:38
schestowitz	If you want to run a business on zero trust and doing it your own way when there is already an agency all airlines pool their information into for guidance, go right ahead. But very soon you will be driven out of business by better competitors.	Jul 19 03:38
schestowitz	Yes the risk does differ when you have other lives to consider. But when the risks are so remote that they aren't even considered, companies are going to make the economic decision to stay viable.	Jul 19 03:38
schestowitz	Plus hnidsight is always 20-20.	Jul 19 03:38
schestowitz	I didn't see anyone spewing the "I told you so" rhetoric of flying commercial liners over Ukraine until now.	Jul 19 03:38
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schestowitz	@Rewarp, you're denying common sense.	Jul 19 03:38
schestowitz	And I'm not one to appeal to common sense much. In most cases, it's a pretty slippery concept.	Jul 19 03:38
schestowitz	But the expectation that one can fly through a war zone safely is nonsensical. And the reason I wasn't talking about it is that I assumed no one would be this stupid.	Jul 19 03:38
schestowitz	Obviously I overestimated their intelligence. But stupidity is not an excuse.	Jul 19 03:38
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schestowitz	And as for trusting no one, I didn't say run a business trusting no one.	Jul 19 03:38
schestowitz	I said trust no one in a war zone.	Jul 19 03:38
schestowitz	Though arguably, the economy is a war zone (and I'm one of the casualties).	Jul 19 03:38
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schestowitz	@Rewarp Talking about the company, would you fly with them if you had other options? The company might not have done anything wrong, but this is the second plane they lose and saying that they followed regulations does not make me feel more secure.	Jul 19 03:39
schestowitz	And about your standing it would be interesting to know why. I think everybody remembers this:	Jul 19 03:39
schestowitz	http://rt.com/news/156480-odessa-fire-protesters-dead/	Jul 19 03:39
schestowitz	Someone might argue that the rebels downed the airplane believing they would be bombed otherwise. At ten kilometers of distance.	Jul 19 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rt.com \| 39 people die after radicals set Trade Unions House on fire in Ukraine's Odessa — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/hs515 ]		Jul 19 03:39
schestowitz	Do you think that pro-Kiev radicals burnt Odessa people alive because if not they would be killed instead? And what about clubbing the survivors to death, do you think that was by mistake? What did Europe and the US do about that?	Jul 19 03:39
schestowitz	Do you think that being burnt alive or clubbed to death was more merciful than dying in a plane crash? This seems to me as logical as saying that you were neutral in the Palestine-Israel conflict until Hamas rockets killed an Israeli.	Jul 19 03:39
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schestowitz	I'm pretty sure airlines can go around conflict zones, one time I flew from the UK to India and the airplane avoided Afghanistan. I had no idea that civilian airplanes were flying over East Ukraine, airplanes avoid flying above Fukushima even if the risk of radiation is low.	Jul 19 03:39
schestowitz	Again: Why the Ukrainian government and the European air traffic control body allowed those flights? Was it on purpose?	Jul 19 03:39
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schestowitz	@David. I think we are done here. You believe no matter what airlines should always avoid warzones despite no information from corporate intelligence agencies of the risks of actual SAMs. I believe those intelligence agencies are solely to blame because airlines employ such companies for the very reason of deciding which routes are safe and viable.	Jul 19 03:40
schestowitz	@Cronos. MH370 was lost entirely due to the incompetence of the Malaysian government and Malaysian airlines. This flight was lost out of sheer bad luck. Thai Airways, India Air, China Eastern Airways, and Air China could easily have been the victims as well.	Jul 19 03:40
schestowitz	http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/world/article/why-were-commercial-planes-still-flying-over-ukraine	Jul 19 03:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| Why were commercial planes still flying over Ukraine? - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs51l ]		Jul 19 03:40
schestowitz	And of course I am horrified by the killing of any person. But as someone who had no idea what was going on in the ground until this conflict brought it home (yeah, I am Malaysian, and we just lost a plane to a group of rebels whom I last read were happy about having shot it down with glee), I could not do anything but be an absolute neutral in the Ukrainian-Russian-Rebels conflict.	Jul 19 03:40
schestowitz	Plus Israel commits warcrimes, and I have never been neutral on that issue since I started reading about it and researching it thoroughly a decade ago.	Jul 19 03:40
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schestowitz	@Cronos.	Jul 19 03:40
schestowitz	Indeed. That's my question too. Why the hell didn't anyone tell Malaysian airlines the routes were unsafe?	Jul 19 03:40
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schestowitz	Interesting questions:	Jul 19 03:41
schestowitz	http://rt.com/news/173976-mh17-crash-questions-ukraine/	Jul 19 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/hs51o ]		Jul 19 03:41
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schestowitz	"Fuck RT. Why are the rebels stopping the international investigators from entering? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/mh17-crash-pro-russia-rebels-block-access-ukraine"	Jul 19 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| MH17: rebels block access to part of site of crash as evidence against them grows \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/hs51p ]		Jul 19 03:41
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schestowitz	@Rewarp I had no idea you were Malaysian; it's not like downing a plane, even by mistake, were irrelevant. I'm Latin American and people might think that what is happening in Ukraine, Syria, Palestine and all those places is not related to us. And it might be true. Until one way or the other people not related becomes affected and directly involved, but by that time it's too late to think what might have done to avoid it.	Jul 19 03:41
schestowitz	It's not funny seeing how people always find a good reason to kill others and nobody does something that helps even a little besides whining in the Internet or with friends. I deem important to know the thruth and why things happen, but sometimes I wish I do not.	Jul 19 03:41
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schestowitz	Here we go. If these are the actions of the rebels, they may as well spray paint a middle finger on their heads right now to everyone who just wants to find out the truth.	Jul 19 03:41
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/separatist-links-malaysia-airlines-mh17-removed	Jul 19 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Cover-up: Ukraine rebels destroying all links to MH17 air atrocity \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/hs51t ]		Jul 19 03:41
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schestowitz	ussia is asking an international comission for this. If it's true that rebels did not shut down the plane, do you think they will hand over to Kiev the only proof of that?	Jul 19 03:42
schestowitz	And talking about that, is it possible to know if a plane was downed with a missile with the black box?	Jul 19 03:42
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schestowitz	Russia is posturing. It's obvious for all to see. And I don't see how a bunch of international investigators from the Netherlands and Malaysia can be misidentified as Ukrainian officials.	Jul 19 03:42
schestowitz	Heck, Malaysians are already waking up to the news of this latest affront while the bodies of passengers on our plane are bloating up and rotting away.	Jul 19 03:42
schestowitz	http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/drunk-gunmen-deny-monitors-access-to-mh17-site	Jul 19 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| ‘Drunk’ gunmen deny monitors access to MH17 site - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs523 ]		Jul 19 03:42
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schestowitz	Al Jazeera says something different:	Jul 19 03:42
schestowitz	http://m.aljazeera.com/story/201471851244142391	Jul 19 03:43
schestowitz	Can you see why an international comission is needed?	Jul 19 03:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-m.aljazeera.com \| Ukraine rebels pledge truce for jet recovery - Al Jazeera English [ http://ur1.ca/hs524 ]		Jul 19 03:43
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schestowitz	What does it say differently? It's from 11 hours ago and it says Ukrainian investigators have been barred from investigating. The OCSE and Malaysian officials are already in Ukraine and they have been barred from entering.	Jul 19 03:43
schestowitz	If that doesn't qualify as international, what does?.	Jul 19 03:43
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schestowitz	"What about Russian and Chinese representatives? Russia is the one being blamed and China might be more neutral than Europe has been."	Jul 19 03:43
schestowitz	"Do you think we Malaysians give a shit? We already have our own investigators on the field, and if it's true it isn't the rebels who fired the missiles, we will know how to assign blame. But if those rebels are barring our people from the investigation site after promising secure and unfettered access, what are we suppose to make of it? Benefit of the doubt only goes so far."	Jul 19 03:43
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, Plan to link to those articles describing Windows Phone going down in flames?	Jul 19 05:16
DaemonFC	Or should we start calling it Zune Phone yet?	Jul 19 05:16
DaemonFC	I wonder if MinceR saw the part 3 video of "If Google was a guy.".	Jul 19 05:21
DaemonFC	They took a couple of really funny shots at the iPhone.	Jul 19 05:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Six Clicks: More Linux single-board computers	Jul 19 06:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rkJyRjKIq9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 06:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs67r	Jul 19 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Six Clicks: More Linux single-board computers \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 06:54
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Sosumi	well I think that today after the Snowden confirmations	Jul 19 06:59
Sosumi	ppl have got more than enough reasons to demand software to made available on gnu/linux	Jul 19 07:00
Sosumi	now I have no idea how that accounting software compares, to say, gnucash	Jul 19 07:00
Sosumi	but nowadays there is really no excuse at all no not support “officially” as vendors like to put it	Jul 19 07:01
Sosumi	red hat based distros and ubuntu	Jul 19 07:01
DaemonFC	Apparently, the GNOME Foundation spent too much money on the outreach program to women, and now has no cash reserves.	Jul 19 07:16
DaemonFC	I thought it was another Linsux joke when I saw that the other day, so I clicked through and they turned out to be telling the truth.	Jul 19 07:16
DaemonFC	I don't know why open source software projects are freaking out that there's not all that many women contributing to the project. This is the 21st century. Women have the same shot at these jobs. Is it really imperative to spend money on an outreach program? Should the money be used for that or to develop code?	Jul 19 07:18
Sosumi	dumb dumb and dumb	Jul 19 07:34
Sosumi	if women want something to do with a project	Jul 19 07:34
Sosumi	they’ll join it by their own initiative	Jul 19 07:34
Sosumi	no need for dumb pr	Jul 19 07:34
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DaemonFC	http://www.firsttube.com/read/why-you-probably-should-not-buy-a-zune/	Jul 19 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.firsttube.com \| Why You Probably Should NOT Buy a Zune \| firsttube.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs81e ]		Jul 19 09:03
DaemonFC	Apparently, even if you copy non-DRM files onto a Zune, it won't let you upload them back out to a computer.	Jul 19 09:04
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 19 09:04
DaemonFC	I never knew that.	Jul 19 09:04
DaemonFC	"Did I mention that the RIAA gets a cut of every Zune sold, because the chairman of Universal says that if you buy one of these devices, you’re obviously a thief who downloads music illegally? Well, [[http://billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003380831\|it happened]]. Microsoft must acknowledge that people who use portable music players are thieves, because they are cutting in the music companies on the sale o	Jul 19 09:05
DaemonFC	f the HARDWARE. Explain that one!"	Jul 19 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.billboard.com \| Music News - Breaking Music Articles & Videos - Page 1 \| Billboard [ http://ur1.ca/hs81w ]		Jul 19 09:05
DaemonFC	Wow....	Jul 19 09:05
Sosumi	neither the ipod allows you to do that	Jul 19 09:39
Sosumi	only creative players did	Jul 19 09:39
Sosumi	and MD	Jul 19 09:40
Sosumi	or at least the one I had allowed me to do that	Jul 19 09:40
DaemonFC	http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/557bbfcd1942a7161312f0600edd4c176d181d20?diff=lib%2Flibssl%2Fsrc%2Fdoc%2Fcrypto%2FDES_set_key.pod	Jul 19 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freshbsd.org \| Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-557bbfcd1942a7161312f0600edd4c176d181d20 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits [ http://ur1.ca/hs86z ]		Jul 19 09:41
DaemonFC	http://torrentfreak.com/chrome-blocks-utorrent-as-malicious-and-harmful-software-140716/	Jul 19 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| Chrome Blocks uTorrent as Malicious and Harmful Software \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hs8io ]		Jul 19 10:59
DaemonFC	Google is being evil again.	Jul 19 10:59
DaemonFC	http://torrentfreak.com/dotcoms-mega-plans-179m-public-listing-via-reverse-takeover-140325/	Jul 19 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| Dotcom's Mega Plans $179m Public Listing Via Reverse Takeover \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hs8ix ]		Jul 19 11:01
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 19 11:01
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490458601790910464	Jul 19 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Speaking of lazy MSM I'm still waiting to hear about Russia's oil deal with Cuba.....doubt that's going to be reported.		Jul 19 11:33
Guest66954	or even the debt writeoff	Jul 19 11:33
Guest66954	http://www.ibtimes.co.in/8-facts-about-nelson-mandela-you-probably-did-not-know-604793	Jul 19 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in \| 8 Facts about Nelson Mandela You Probably Did not Know [ http://ur1.ca/hs8ol ]		Jul 19 11:41
Guest66954	"Conspiracy theorists say that the police were tipped off by a CIA agent."	Jul 19 11:41
Guest66954	Wasn't this a known fact?	Jul 19 11:41
Guest66954	That they played a role in his arrest?	Jul 19 11:41
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/sumitshresth/status/490461690903805952	Jul 19 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sumitshresth: @schestowitz : yeah but their bad luck that they shot down a passenger plane belonging to a neutral country		Jul 19 11:43
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490461379187707904	Jul 19 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz 32 Billion vanishes and MSM don't notice, or fail to report. Can kinda understand how a banking crisis happened.		Jul 19 11:43
Guest66954	The news was covered in some Latin Amercian and Russian media (in English), I saw it nowhere else	Jul 19 11:44
Guest66954	https://t.co/94d9cfHBMY	Jul 19 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://joindiaspora.com/p/4428697 )		Jul 19 11:55
Guest66954	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4428697	Jul 19 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #UK Foreign Office Reverses Course On #CIA Rendition Files 'Lost' To Water Damage: Papers Have Now 'Dried Out' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140716/10263727898/uk-foreign-office-reverses-course-cia-rendition-files-lost-to-water-damage-papers-have-now-dried-out.shtml LOL!!!		Jul 19 11:55
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Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490465144871616512	Jul 19 11:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I spotted on RT, but normally it takes a week or two before someone at work goes "ohh I just saw ....on news".		Jul 19 11:58
Guest66954	http://live.wsj.com/video/ukraine-president-terrorist-act-downed-flight-mh17/80E31CC3-8219-47BD-A02D-F773238498A4.html#!80E31CC3-8219-47BD-A02D-F773238498A4	Jul 19 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-live.wsj.com \| Video - Ukraine President: 'Terrorist Act' Downed Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 - WSJ.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs8ri ]		Jul 19 12:00
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490465819684392960	Jul 19 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Home office actually did it's own investigation into UK torture claims. I get the impression the info was destroyed pre-invest		Jul 19 12:02
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490468727155339264	Jul 19 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Good time to bury bad news,Labour government style.		Jul 19 12:12
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/490469161899151360	Jul 19 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz spot on. whose terrorist/freedom fighters? Nelson Mandela called terrorist by Thatcher & Reagan & on US no fly lists July 2008		Jul 19 12:15
MinceR	geekings	Jul 19 14:01
MinceR	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8259609088/hD9123D3D/	Jul 19 14:50
MinceR	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8257383424/hDA3F1858/	Jul 19 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Slackware's 21st, Post-Open Source, and Six	Jul 19 15:31
TweetTuxMachines	Lightweights http://t.co/n1QRlA0PJI	Jul 19 15:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 15:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon - The ultimate Windows 7	Jul 19 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	replacement http://t.co/udmHgSNKNu	Jul 19 18:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon - The ultimate Windows 7 replacement \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CyanogenMod working on Google Now competitor?	Jul 19 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZZZmJjQ6RA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsaoj	Jul 19 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CyanogenMod working on Google Now competitor? \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 18:10
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 19 18:27
DaemonFC	Oh, also, there's a new program coming called Android Silver.	Jul 19 18:27
DaemonFC	If you want the best Android experience, look for manufacturers with Android Silver certification.	Jul 19 18:27
DaemonFC	Google has strict requirements on the participating manufacturers. In exchange, Google gives them some money for each Android Silver-compliant phone they sell.	Jul 19 18:27
DaemonFC	There will also be a new lineup of very affordable unlocked phones that still give a relatively good experience.	Jul 19 18:27
DaemonFC	http://www.mobot.net/android-phone-landing-october-69378	Jul 19 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mobot.net \| First Android One phone landing in October? \| News Articles \| Mobot.net [ http://ur1.ca/hsash ]		Jul 19 18:27
DaemonFC	<snip>	Jul 19 18:27
DaemonFC	While Android Silver will see Google working closely with its best mates at the high end of the spectrum, the aim of Android One is to make a decent phone that's truly affordable for every Tom, Dick, Harry, Sanjay, Raj and Mukul across the world.	Jul 19 18:27
DaemonFC	The first Android One phone will be produced by Micromax, costing as little as $100, with specs including a 4.5in display, dual-SIM slot, SD compatibility, and FM radio for all the latest pop group hits.	Jul 19 18:27
DaemonFC	</snip	Jul 19 18:27
DaemonFC	http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/android-silver-everything-you-need-to-know-1246714	Jul 19 18:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com \| Android Silver: everything you need to know \| News \| TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/hsasi ]		Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	<snip>	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	Silver is a bit like a more advanced Nexus programme, but instead of working with one manufacturer on one device, Google will work with multiple firms on multiple devices.	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	Google supposedly wants to help manufacturers to deliver a premium Android experience, so participating firms will get help from Google with their development and marketing costs, and their devices will get preferential treatment when it comes to software updates.	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	....	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	It should mean a wider choice of high-end Android devices at reasonable prices, and those devices will be free from the bloatware, unwanted apps and over-the-top customisation that plagues some firms' handsets.	Jul 19 18:28
MinceR	nexus could be more advanced	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	That's because participating firms will have to agree not to mess around with stock Android in much the same way Microsoft's Signature programme banished bloatware from participating PCs.	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	The devices must "closely adhere to Google specifications" and will "sharply limit the number of non-Google apps that can be pre-installed on devices" or ensure that phone owners will be able to uninstall them.	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	It also means that you'll be able to buy handsets without wondering if you're getting the most up to date version of Android or whether the firm will bother supplying Android updates after a few months.	Jul 19 18:28
MinceR	to the point where they don't leave out stuff like microsd card slots	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	</snip>	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	I do believe it's clear who the Android One's target is.	Jul 19 18:28
DaemonFC	Say "Hasta la Vista" to Windows Phoney.	Jul 19 18:28
MinceR	and don't add stupid restrictions that most OEMs patch out anyway	Jul 19 18:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Update 123 Fixes Multiple Reboots, The	Jul 19 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	Compositor http://t.co/drxxbzTuzH	Jul 19 18:29
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DaemonFC	Google does seem to be pretty good about salting the Earth of Microsoft before they get into new markets.	Jul 19 18:38
DaemonFC	They just handed Firefox a billion dollars to keep Microsoft out and now they're going to pay Android phone makers to push a decent $100 Android phone.	Jul 19 18:38
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Sosumi	so? no more nexus phones?	Jul 19 19:42
MinceR	android authority said there will be more nexus devices	Jul 19 19:43
Sosumi	cool then	Jul 19 19:43
MinceR	silver seems more like the new name of google play edition	Jul 19 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GCC Code Gets Updated For Go 1.3 Language	Jul 19 19:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0nRZGzU2Tb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 19:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GCC Code Gets Updated For Go 1.3 Language \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 19:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MicroXwin Creators Have A PC That Runs Debian &	Jul 19 19:46
TweetTuxMachines	Android Together http://t.co/5g2pvOaTOY	Jul 19 19:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Musing: Microsoft to offer its software on	Jul 19 19:46
TweetTuxMachines	Linux – A theoretical consideration.	Jul 19 19:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uZSSgqFZ9U (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 19:46
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Sosumi	literally they already do	Jul 19 19:51
Sosumi	doesn’t office 365 also run on gnu/linux?	Jul 19 19:51
Sosumi	it run inside the browser	Jul 19 19:53
Sosumi	*runs	Jul 19 19:53
Sosumi	plus didn’t m$ want everyone to move to a software as service type of thing	Jul 19 19:54
Sosumi	by restricting office to just one machine and jacking the prices up	Jul 19 19:54
Sosumi	so everyone would move into 365	Jul 19 19:54
Sosumi	and even if they did come with a linux version	Jul 19 19:57
Sosumi	it wouldn’t be the same as the windows version	Jul 19 19:57
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Sosumi	just a feature stripped version like the one they make for osx	Jul 19 19:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Docker networking: How Linux containers will	Jul 19 21:33
TweetTuxMachines	change your network http://t.co/hmzQUFarSt	Jul 19 21:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Docker networking: How Linux containers will change your network \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 21:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Could we See a Linux Tablet Brought to Life	Jul 19 21:33
TweetTuxMachines	with Ubuntu Touch? http://t.co/TRG8Cgte6T	Jul 19 21:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kerala Legislature moves to open source	Jul 19 21:33
TweetTuxMachines	software; LibreOffice http://t.co/NN9OeG4XyN	Jul 19 21:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDecoration2 – The road ahead	Jul 19 21:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kmCEyDw6VL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 21:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDecoration2 – The road ahead \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 21:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Faults in Linux 2.6 http://t.co/O0ROZGkIV5	Jul 19 21:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromecast Now Lets Users Move Android Content	Jul 19 21:34
TweetTuxMachines	to Their TVs http://t.co/Vj7Op523Uu	Jul 19 21:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 21:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Chromecast Now Lets Users Move Android Content to Their TVs \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 21:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Pictures] Samsung Z (SM-Z910F) Tizen in Gold	Jul 19 22:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FN3ymxGV6Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 22:06
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4391859	Jul 13 02:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kelvinpittman@diasp.org: Time! ![dig!](https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png) via: @{harry haller (nerdpol.ch) ; harryhaller@nerdpol.ch}, @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com} #Stallman #time-is-not-money #time-is-time #money-is-an-empty-promise #silly-Capitalist-time-is-for-everyone		Jul 13 02:33
schestowitz	""Time! dig! https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaledfull27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png via: harry haller (nerdpol.ch), Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) #Stallman #time-is-not-money #time-is-time #money-is-an-empty-promise #silly-Capitalist-time-is-for-everyone"	Jul 13 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaledfull27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png )		Jul 13 02:34
schestowitz	Time! dig! https://podricing.org/uploads/images/scaledfull27ea23d0f4d445585f42.png via: harry haller (nerdpol.ch), Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) #Stallman #time-is-not-money #time-is-time #money-is-an-empty-promise #silly-Capitalist-time-is-for-everyone	Jul 13 02:34
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 02:34
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4384536	Jul 13 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The IRS may be targeting open source projects." http://www.itworld.com/open-source/426611/irs-scheming-destroy-open-source-projects		Jul 13 02:34
schestowitz	"All the more reason to think reading wired articles will get you tagged by NSA."	Jul 13 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com \| Is the IRS scheming to destroy open source projects? \| ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/hq9dw ]		Jul 13 02:34
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4390954	Jul 13 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FOSS advocate uses some fairly neutral (not Microsoft-funded) data point to claim #firefox decline http://tildehash.com/?blog=the-popularity-of-firefox-is-definitely-waning		Jul 13 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tildehash.com \| The popularity of Firefox is definitely waning! [ http://ur1.ca/hqes8 ]		Jul 13 02:35
schestowitz	"What are they doing with Mono? I hadn't heard that..."	Jul 13 02:35
schestowitz	Unity3d	Jul 13 02:35
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, I might understand the "ads in new tabs" thing in Firefox, if it was opt-in or something, and they desperately needed the money.	Jul 13 03:16
DaemonFC	They get enough from Google and donations, that I don't see why they need more money.	Jul 13 03:16
DaemonFC	I think they get 80% of their money from Google and most of the rest from donations.	Jul 13 03:16
DaemonFC	http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/mozilla-revenue-tops-311-million-from-open-source-technology.html	Jul 13 03:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| Mozilla Revenue Tops $311 Million From Open-Source Technology [ http://ur1.ca/hqhpj ]		Jul 13 03:17
DaemonFC	"Mozilla announced its 2012 earnings this week, reporting record revenue of $311 million."	Jul 13 03:17
DaemonFC	I've heard people say that Google basically has two web browsers, but it's not true.	Jul 13 03:19
DaemonFC	Mozilla is independent enough from Google that Google decided to start doing Chrome.	Jul 13 03:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MPV 0.4.1 MPlayer-Based Video Player App for	Jul 13 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Released http://t.co/cFz7KYEc5z	Jul 13 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 13 07:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MPV 0.4.1 MPlayer-Based Video Player App for Linux Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 13 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chitwanix OS 1.5 Uses a Modified Cinnamon 2.0	Jul 13 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	Desktop Environment http://t.co/znTARZ5im5	Jul 13 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 13 07:35
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/12/libressl_portable/	Jul 13 10:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Games http://t.co/AEs1ldZpFo	Jul 13 10:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Games \| Tux Machines		Jul 13 10:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/HGaHmMTddG	Jul 13 10:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 13 10:05
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4363123	Jul 13 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: We shouldn't expect #Facebook to behave ethically http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/06/we-shouldnt-expect-facebook-to-behave-ethically nothing ethical about #surveillance and selling dossiers on people		Jul 13 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| We shouldn't expect Facebook to behave ethically \| Technology \| The Observer [ http://ur1.ca/hpuya ]		Jul 13 12:47
schestowitz	"Crime is always possible, that does not make it inevitable. The strong have inherent advantages over the weak. It may be more likely in trade and business because criminals have such huge advantages. They also spend lots of money on propaganda convince us that their behavior is both inevitable and good, but we should reject their arguments of might makes right. I think most people, even some animals, intuitively understand injustice	Jul 13 12:47
schestowitz	and that this is a problem that can be solved."	Jul 13 12:47
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4394015	Jul 13 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Blackheart Lady: Margaret Thatcher 'personally covered up' child abuse allegations against senior ministers http://www.sott.net/article/281832-Blackheart-Lady-Margaret-Thatcher-personally-covered-up-child-abuse-allegations-against-senior-ministers		Jul 13 12:48
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schestowitz	"Oh , she wouldn't do that , that bitch ..."	Jul 13 12:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393340	Jul 13 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "1970s when cases of unlawful covert operations... were uncovered, including spying on American citizens" http://www.cdapress.com/columns/syd_albright/article_85604792-e25c-5037-bb6e-c91d436b0862.html		Jul 13 12:48
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schestowitz	"Yes, and Watergate. Now everything's papered over."	Jul 13 12:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/488039869563023360	Jul 13 12:50
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/487914806541049856	Jul 13 12:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Five men suing #Obama administration after falling into ‘suspicious activity’ file http://t.co/t7qkk2gEFc ... https://t.co/jZ2LzW7mzq		Jul 13 12:50
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395524	Jul 13 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk "Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill (DRIP). Here's the absurd timeline" http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2014/07/urgent-please-write-to-mps-to-stop-drip/index.htm we have emergency: gov. coup		Jul 13 13:05
schestowitz	""drip".....Bad intentions dripping from it? Very likely."	Jul 13 13:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bdcory/status/488378917577695232	Jul 13 13:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bdcory: @schestowitz Math and science don't lie.		Jul 13 13:50
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488404303053598720	Jul 13 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz How the fuck is that remotely legal?		Jul 13 18:25
schestowitz	That's why I'm taking them to Court	Jul 13 18:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393502	Jul 13 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Expulsion of top spy a 'wake-up call' for US http://www.dw.de/expulsion-of-top-spy-a-wake-up-call-for-us/a-17777777 counter-espionage funding http://www.dw.de/german-spies-clamor-for-counter-espionage-funding/a-17781269		Jul 13 18:27
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schestowitz	"To me the message was "please be more discret", if Germany would be really upset it would be asking its gold deposited in the US back immediately."	Jul 13 18:28
schestowitz	"Or it would grant Snowden asylum. There was an op-ed in Al Jazeera to this effect."	Jul 13 18:28
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 13 18:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 13 18:28
schestowitz	"that would be the republicrat party (or the democrican party)"	Jul 13 18:28
schestowitz	"Or simply list the biggest contributor by each candidate's name instead of party."	Jul 13 18:28
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	Yes, that would make more sense and be more honest. The Facebook candidate, the Goldman Sacks candidate, the Monsanto candidate.	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	That might be even called a multiparty democracy.	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	@Cronos, that's hardly a democracy, that would be corporatocracy.	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	There should be full disclosure of all donors who contributed a total minimum of, say, $1000.	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	Uncle Meat, it isn't 'democracy' anyway. It's a republic.	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	And republics are all about rule by the rich.	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	See Federalist No. 10.	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 18:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488449731602165760	Jul 13 18:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz ......I need details of this trial, also if it goes high court ima turn up in public gallery with fried chicken!		Jul 13 18:30
schestowitz	Doesn't need to go to High Court, I have a strong case, can finish it cheaply at 4000 quid	Jul 13 18:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488450596350197762	Jul 13 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Dependant on if they want to admit you have a strong case though let's be fair.		Jul 13 18:32
schestowitz	It'll go as high as it needs to be	Jul 13 18:32
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4396049	Jul 13 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tonight we'll watch our first WC14 match. Supporting my team in the final. Town has huge screens. Triangle and Spinningfield.		Jul 13 18:34
schestowitz	"So you're going to root for Die Manshaft"	Jul 13 18:34
schestowitz	"Germany well deserved 1-0"	Jul 13 18:34
schestowitz	Not sure if well deserved, it was a close match	Jul 13 18:34
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395864	Jul 13 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Recording and storing everyone's phonecalls is cheap. A cost analysis I did two years ago: at $100 per person can record everything 24/7.		Jul 13 18:36
schestowitz	"And with taxpayer's money there is no need to be either profitable or cheap."	Jul 13 18:36
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393835	Jul 13 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nsa cares about #math like #cia cares about #security - their goals are often to derail the math and destablise the world for Power		Jul 13 18:37
schestowitz	"The NSA rudely bullied the US NIST into accepting flawed standards. That's derailing math to spy on people. There may be other examples."	Jul 13 18:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4391352	Jul 13 18:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #brazil got massive debt from an event where it merely gets humiliated. It used to be a football giant. Now it's an open net.		Jul 13 18:38
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 18:38
schestowitz	Something like three weeks ago I was talking with my father, and told me how important was the victory of our national team because it was the second time in history it happened.	Jul 13 18:38
schestowitz	I had no idea what to say, I not even cared to watch the matches so I said nothing at all. And one week later he was upset because our team was eliminated, and to me nothing changed at all.	Jul 13 18:38
schestowitz	How can you convince someone that doing something to avoid being robbed is more important than our national soccer team? I have no idea and I'm not the one being robbed so I simply let my father live the life he choose.	Jul 13 18:38
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 18:38
schestowitz	Sports are used by many nations to shift from one's own competition to one's nation. Nationalism works well for the state, more then pursuit of the success of smaller groups.	Jul 13 18:39
schestowitz	*than	Jul 13 18:39
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395986	Jul 13 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #surveillance and #intimidation (under the FBI pretext that this is "terrorism") has successfully crush the #occupy movement		Jul 13 18:43
schestowitz	"Is it really crushed?"	Jul 13 18:44
schestowitz	""	Jul 13 18:44
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 18:44
schestowitz	I think, yes, the Occupy movement has been crushed.	Jul 13 18:44
schestowitz	I do not count 'Occupy Sandy' and 'Occupy Debt' as worthy of the name. They capitulate to the status quo.	Jul 13 18:44
schestowitz	Occupy, at the beginning, took the laudable position that it wanted nothing from the elite, but rather that their very existence was the problem. Paying off the elite or helping with civil defense is a very long ways from that initial position.	Jul 13 18:44
schestowitz	"	Jul 13 18:44
schestowitz	Corporate media in the #uk never covers #nsa Menwith Hill. It's bad enough that it has no gov oversight	Jul 13 18:54
schestowitz	but no press oversight either?	Jul 13 18:54
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	"(my gosh somebody bought a chromebook)"	Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Laptop/zgbs/pc/565108	Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	http://www.amazon.com/gp/top-rated/pc/565108/	Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	Chromebooks are selling like hotcakes and Windows isn't even in the Top Rated laptops until you get to #23.	Jul 14 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon Best Sellers: Best Laptop Computers [ http://ur1.ca/hqrnl ]		Jul 14 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com Top Rated: The best in Laptop Computers based on Amazon customer reviews [ http://ur1.ca/hqrnm ]		Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	Microsoft Windows 8.1 - Full Version	Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	2.8 out of 5 stars. What is that? 56% is a D, if I recall correctly,	Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit, System Builder OEM DVD 1 Pack (New Packaging)	Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	Windows 7 gets 3.9 out of five stars. 78% is like a C.	Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	So "Best Windows ever" is a C and Windows 8 is a D. We can't compare Vista, because apparently Amazon no longer sells it, but I think it's fair to say "Big fat F".	Jul 14 00:50
DaemonFC	Move to GNU/Linux, where the OS is and A and F is for Freedom. B-)	Jul 14 00:51
DaemonFC	"Way back in the day, Nvidia got caught lying about feature support when a program asked if the card supported a particular feature, and they didn't, but the driver would say "yes, I do". This aggravated Microsoft, because it was causing DirectX problems. As in "Program asks if a feature is supported. Oh good, it's supported. I'll use it. CRASH.". :) "	Jul 14 01:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla brings Indian communities together	Jul 14 01:49
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 14 02:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 14 02:06
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 02:07
schestowitz	Seriously, the best way to corrupt a politician is with money, giving donations does not seems to me a good idea.	Jul 14 02:07
schestowitz	I like Mexico's elections system, and I'm compelled to believe that its system (not their politicians) is one of the best in the world. For example, donations are forbidden, they have assigned a budget according to the amount of voters they got and if a party spends more of the money alloted then they might got the poll declared void.	Jul 14 02:07
schestowitz	I have not a good idea about a supposed Super PAC in the US intended to support politicians that pledge to support ending this practice, but to me that's like trying to buy politicians and corporations have more money to play that game.	Jul 14 02:07
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 02:07
schestowitz	"If a campaign budget is allocated by the number of votes a candidate gets, how does a candidate foresee how many votes s/he'll win? Or, if the budget is based on past performance, then how is that fair to the equivalent of, say, the Green Party in the U.S.? Would it not lock them into a perpetually underfunded campaign?"	Jul 14 02:07
schestowitz	"Indeed, I think it would be better if all parties had the same funds regardless of its past performance, but if you think that there are fringe parties everywhere then you avoid wasting money in them. And I think there is a minimum, and Mexican parties have alloted equal time in mass media (besides paid ads) so is not like small parties had no opportunity at all."	Jul 14 02:08
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 02:08
schestowitz	By the way, if you think that Mexican elections are expensive you're right, funding all the parties and the way elections are carried out (no electronic voting) makes them expensive even for first-world standards, but at least the elections are fair more or less.	Jul 14 02:08
schestowitz	But having a good system is half a good democracy, the other half are good citizens voting for good candidates and I think that is not the case.	Jul 14 02:08
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 02:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393502	Jul 14 02:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Expulsion of top spy a 'wake-up call' for US http://www.dw.de/expulsion-of-top-spy-a-wake-up-call-for-us/a-17777777 counter-espionage funding http://www.dw.de/german-spies-clamor-for-counter-espionage-funding/a-17781269		Jul 14 02:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dw.de \| Expulsion of top spy a 'wake-up call' for US \| World \| DW.DE \| 11.07.2014 [ http://ur1.ca/hqlqj ]		Jul 14 02:09
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schestowitz	"No, if Snowden is wise he will never be back in the West, not even Latin America is safe enough."	Jul 14 02:09
schestowitz	"@cronos@cronostech.no-ip.org , on this, I fear you're right."	Jul 14 02:09
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4394001	Jul 14 02:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: redneck yank in an SUV... ![redneck yank in an suv](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7nbmdSHIS1qz9bu3o1_500.jpg) #redneck #bigot #conservative #english #grammar #dumbass, #yank #suv #yankee #carculture		Jul 14 02:10
schestowitz	"Urine America"	Jul 14 02:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395928	Jul 14 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #Gestapo Still Sets the Bar for Evil http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/13/the-gestapo-still-sets-the-bar-for-evil.html "Decades before the NSA..."		Jul 14 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thedailybeast.com \| The Gestapo Still Sets the Bar for Evil - The Daily Beast [ http://ur1.ca/hqsh5 ]		Jul 14 02:21
schestowitz	"Damnation of the NSA by faint praise."	Jul 14 02:21
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4393837	Jul 14 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why the Return of American Torture Is Inevitable http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/return-american-torture-future even the films now promote torture and assassination		Jul 14 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.motherjones.com \| Why the Return of American Torture Is Inevitable \| Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/hqsh6 ]		Jul 14 02:21
schestowitz	"The War of Terror continues."	Jul 14 02:21
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schestowitz	http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/i-am-not-a-pacifist/	Jul 14 02:36
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schestowitz	"The British retaking of the Falklands was legal. The Argentinian invasion was not. But lots of things are legal but not sensible. The government deliberately resolved the Falklands war in the most violent way possible to benefit from jingoism and overcome a disastrous popularity crisis for the Tories at home. Britain’s continued colonial rule over the Falklands is ludicrous."	Jul 14 02:36
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4396049	Jul 14 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tonight we'll watch our first WC14 match. Supporting my team in the final. Town has huge screens. Triangle and Spinningfield.		Jul 14 03:18
schestowitz	"I was thinking about the 2 Argentina players that could have been send off. I also think we (the Dutch team) would have had a good chance in the final."	Jul 14 03:18
MinceR	interesting kind of brain damage there: problems with Chrome, Java and Flash => "free can suck"	Jul 14 03:31
MinceR	which of those is free software?	Jul 14 03:31
schestowitz	exactly	Jul 14 03:49
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/annejanbrouwer/status/488597233592705024	Jul 14 04:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@annejanbrouwer: Well @schestowitz technically since Palestine isn't a country and thus has no military it should be 100% civilians .. right?		Jul 14 04:26
schestowitz	These terms are loosely defined by the dominator. The US likes to call all adult males "militants".	Jul 14 04:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488610184030617600	Jul 14 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I'm glad to hear it, will you be keeping everyone updated on progress.		Jul 14 05:18
schestowitz	late summer/autumn	Jul 14 05:18
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/488622962082590720	Jul 14 05:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Not long then!		Jul 14 05:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This Is What It's Like To Be A Woman CEO In The	Jul 14 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	Male-Dominated Open-Source Software World	Jul 14 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TV60lA01BN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 05:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| This Is What It's Like To Be A Woman CEO In The Male-Dominated Open-Source Software World \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source boost as Linux Conference heads to	Jul 14 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	Auckland http://t.co/rnSxgv3Omb	Jul 14 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 05:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source boost as Linux Conference heads to Auckland \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LFTP 4.5.3 File Transfer Software Is for People	Jul 14 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	Who Love the Terminal http://t.co/9N30dinlJm	Jul 14 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 05:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LFTP 4.5.3 File Transfer Software Is for People Who Love the Terminal \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 05:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488627884605444097 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488628298486792193	Jul 14 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, that page does not exist		Jul 14 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Kitsilano Software is just me. No hidden agenda. What I've been doing with @monotizen is an open book. See Twitter, Github ...		Jul 14 06:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488628716440788992 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488628936562061312 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488629310559760384	Jul 14 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen ... and blogs. Ended an 18 year career in big company games (http://t.co/kFgox2fkgJ), now working for @roadhousehq		Jul 14 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bobsummerwill.wordpress.com \| End of an era \| Bob's Blog		Jul 14 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen And @roadhousehq use @unity3d because just about all small games companies use @unity3d. It's the best there is.		Jul 14 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen And what makes @unity3d so good? The @monoproject, and the productivity of C#.		Jul 14 06:23
schestowitz	"Hey @schestowitz! Kitsilano Software is literally just me. No hidden agenda. What I've been doing is an open book."	Jul 14 06:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488629820763291648	Jul 14 06:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz As for @monotizen and my involvement in @TizenProject, I did that project because @xamarinhq didn't. @ztzg contracted for me.		Jul 14 06:24
schestowitz	me: @BobSummerwill @monotizen @TizenProject @xamarinhq @ztzg Why encourage #linux devs to use C# (with MS #swpats )?	Jul 14 06:24
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/android-apps-on-windows-phone-would-be-an-ugly-capitulation/	Jul 14 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Android apps on Windows Phone would be an ugly capitulation \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hqv45 ]		Jul 14 06:29
DaemonFC	Another way to look at this is sort-of good news.	Jul 14 06:29
DaemonFC	Windows Phone flopped and Microsoft is looking to cease development and try to freeload off of Android instead.	Jul 14 06:30
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/emergency-windows-update-revokes-dozens-of-bogus-google-yahoo-ssl-certificates/	Jul 14 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Emergency Windows update revokes dozens of bogus Google, Yahoo SSL certificates \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hqv7x ]		Jul 14 06:36
DaemonFC	"People using default versions of Mac OS X, Linux, and other operating systems are also immune since they don't trust CCA-authorized sites."	Jul 14 06:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488630206320476160 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488630368396787712 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488630756508307458 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488632010424864768	Jul 14 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Every line of the work we did was in the open at https://t.co/HJ75Eu18XM. You'll see posts at https://t.co/e4F6EekxxU ...		Jul 14 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com \| Kitsilano Software · GitHub		Jul 14 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> developer.tizen.org \| Forums \| Tizen Developers		Jul 14 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz and at http://t.co/Fd7NnY2Hvj, and more importantly at @monotizen and @bobsummerwill. No hidden agenda whatsoever.		Jul 14 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> go-mono.com \| Forums - Mono		Jul 14 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Getting the @monotizen Mono Runtime working on Tizen turned out to be literally one #define change (https://t.co/a8fKzNmwqK)		Jul 14 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com \| icall: Use mono_strtod on non-Android ARM platforms by ztzg · Pull Request #1112 · mono/mono · GitHub		Jul 14 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz The @monoproject have a clear and long-standing statement of position on patent-risk http://t.co/DfTn9NOBaP.		Jul 14 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mono-project.com \| MonoConcerns - Mono		Jul 14 06:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488632307591294978 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488632622436716544 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488633357895344128	Jul 14 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz With the creation of the @dotnetfdn (http://t.co/TL4qLcnidq) and Microsoft and Xamarin's strategic partnership, I think the ...		Jul 14 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dotnetfoundation.org \| .Net Foundation \| Open Source Foundation for the .NET Community		Jul 14 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz ... risk of patent claims against @monoproject is now close to zero, because @monoproject's success is now important to MS.		Jul 14 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz The @monoproject lets MS reach iOS and Android, as Windows wanes in importance. Linux is the winner by side-effect.		Jul 14 06:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488634091378470912 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488635618390319104 https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488636108297605121	Jul 14 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz I detest software patents. I was delighted to see @elonmusk throw away theirs. @monoproject carries no special risk, IMHO.		Jul 14 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen @TizenProject @xamarinhq @ztzg Because C# is a hugely productive language. HTML5 and C++ are not good enough.		Jul 14 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz @monotizen @TizenProject @xamarinhq @ztzg Software patents threaten all software. Mono is nothing special.		Jul 14 06:55
schestowitz	this is what Microsoft is trying to tell the world and why Mono is dangerous	Jul 14 06:56
MinceR	ooh, mono advertisement on our feed	Jul 14 06:56
schestowitz	I have written extensively about problems with mono http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono	Jul 14 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Mono - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1x784 ]		Jul 14 06:56
schestowitz	MinceR: just showing you what he says	Jul 14 06:57
schestowitz	he is trying to put Mono in Tizen	Jul 14 06:57
schestowitz	and I'm hoping to convince him not to waste time on it	Jul 14 06:57
schestowitz	he has a daytime job, he should focus more on that	Jul 14 06:57
schestowitz	He's a Brit who moved to Canada	Jul 14 06:57
schestowitz	His wife is Canadian it seems...	Jul 14 06:57
schestowitz	the project is a one-man effort, but could potentially expand	Jul 14 06:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/488636552017235969	Jul 14 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: FIGHT ON! I've been called a patent troll and tool of the evll @Microsoft / @xamarinhq empire for making @monotizen https://t.co/2rEyHZt23n		Jul 14 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Software Patents Demising in the US as #Microsoft Patent Attacks on #Android/#Linux Suffer a Huge Setback http://t.co/nIYTh5g1nD #swpats		Jul 14 06:58
schestowitz	Complete Bulls***, you were not called a patent troll or a tool	Jul 14 06:59
MinceR	geekings	Jul 14 07:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi Model B+ http://t.co/6xjStdfjv5	Jul 14 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 07:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspberry Pi Model B+ \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical and Ubuntu Helped Munich Save	Jul 14 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	Millions of Dollars by Ditching Microsoft	Jul 14 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	Products http://t.co/gDoZH3is4c	Jul 14 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 07:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical and Ubuntu Helped Munich Save Millions of Dollars by Ditching Microsoft Products \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 07:26
DaemonFC	I wonder if switching from EXA to glamor would work.	Jul 14 07:54
DaemonFC	The manpage for my radeon driver suggests it will.	Jul 14 07:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Road Ahead http://t.co/pXmwaVL4cj	Jul 14 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 08:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Road Ahead \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04: Is Canonical taking on too much?	Jul 14 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/J8dVNxTxe7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hqz2r	Jul 14 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04: Is Canonical taking on too much? \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat CEO Whitehurst on VMware, OpenStack and	Jul 14 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	CentOS http://t.co/CWnxCFle7X	Jul 14 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 08:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat CEO Whitehurst on VMware, OpenStack and CentOS \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/JJGqjSxkg4	Jul 14 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 08:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 08:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On	Jul 14 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	The MacBook Air http://t.co/x6PdC0niv6	Jul 14 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hr2sv	Jul 14 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On The MacBook Air \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 13:02
DaemonFC	Oh wow. Switching from EXA to GLAMOR really sped things up.	Jul 14 13:09
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 14:47
DaemonFC	The "system refresh" didn't fix any of the problems on my brother's Windows laptop, even after I gave up and told it to do a complete refresh where it wipes the data.	Jul 14 14:47
DaemonFC	Obviously, it is NOT re-installing the OS files, it just deletes your data, resets a few settings to default values, and then a brisk several hours later, it welcomes you back to broken OS minus your files.	Jul 14 14:47
DaemonFC	Then congratulates you for being a sucker that bought Microsoft Big ****pile 8.1.	Jul 14 14:47
DaemonFC	It works fine now. Humming right along with Kubuntu 14.04 LTS.	Jul 14 14:47
DaemonFC	Talk about fix and forget. That laptop won't have any more software problems until the day the hardware fails.	Jul 14 14:47
*DaemonFC is blowing steam about Windows 8.		Jul 14 14:48
Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/14/nickel-ipad-rash/	Jul 14 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com \| iPad Implicated in Pediatric Rashes Diagnosed as Nickel Allergies - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/hr4if ]		Jul 14 14:51
Sosumi	lulz	Jul 14 14:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat to be a Key Contributor to and	Jul 14 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	Benefactor of the Kubernetes Project	Jul 14 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BIo6VFw587 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 15:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat to be a Key Contributor to and Benefactor of the Kubernetes Project \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 15:07
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 14 15:07
DaemonFC	I always used to chuckle when a new processor came out and one of the benchmarks would be how fast it scanned C:\Windows for viruses.	Jul 14 15:07
DaemonFC	That's just so awesome. At least they admitted, in a round about way, why you needed a new $400 processor.	Jul 14 15:07
DaemonFC	What else would you use one for?	Jul 14 15:07
DaemonFC	"The Microsoft Office benchmarks are next."	Jul 14 15:07
DaemonFC	Oh. Damn. Sorry I asked!	Jul 14 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is making your product free and open source	Jul 14 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	crazy talk? http://t.co/UFOpYLVdmz	Jul 14 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 15:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is making your product free and open source crazy talk? \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 15:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CentOS 7 Comes on the Heels of Red Hat	Jul 14 15:08
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise Linux 7 http://t.co/tNcRonc9Nv	Jul 14 15:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 15:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CentOS 7 Comes on the Heels of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 15:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On	Jul 14 15:08
TweetTuxMachines	The MacBook Air http://t.co/hOfrfHLnEH	Jul 14 15:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 15:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu With Linux 3.16 Smashes OS X 10.9.4 On The MacBook Air \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 15:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GParted Live 0.19.1 Beta 1-2 Is the Best	Jul 14 15:08
TweetTuxMachines	Solution for Partitioning on the Fly	Jul 14 15:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nA6Xnb6pUc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 15:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GParted Live 0.19.1 Beta 1-2 Is the Best Solution for Partitioning on the Fly \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 15:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian 7.6 "Wheezy" Officially Released	Jul 14 15:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/51AcRqLKQW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 15:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian 7.6 "Wheezy" Officially Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 15:09
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DaemonFC	"Stick around! Next we'll see how long it takes Microsoft Internet Toolbar Explorer to load!"	Jul 14 15:16
DaemonFC	It's like a car accident. I can't look away.....	Jul 14 15:16
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MinceR	lol	Jul 14 15:25
Sosumi	m$ is actually copying apple now on what appeared to be leaked images of windblows 9	Jul 14 15:31
Sosumi	all glassy themed gui and with the metro crap put inside a modified windows 7 start menu	Jul 14 15:32
Sosumi	as widgets	Jul 14 15:32
Sosumi	but the lsd flavour is all over it	Jul 14 15:33
MinceR	so, still worse than xp	Jul 14 15:33
Sosumi	never used xp personally to compare	Jul 14 15:33
Sosumi	but still no virtual desktops	Jul 14 15:34
Sosumi	which on my opinion are excelent productivity boostes	Jul 14 15:35
MinceR	that's too complicated for ordinary users	Jul 14 15:35
Sosumi	*boosters	Jul 14 15:35
MinceR	and microdrones	Jul 14 15:35
MinceR	and crApple cultists	Jul 14 15:35
Sosumi	crapple has those	Jul 14 15:35
MinceR	theirs is fucked up, afaik	Jul 14 15:35
MinceR	can't separate the windows from an application from each other	Jul 14 15:35
Sosumi	and switches to another desktop when you close a program on your present one	Jul 14 15:38
Sosumi	for no reason	Jul 14 15:38
Sosumi	which was a bug introduced on 10.9 when they finally made the virtual desktops display indepedent	Jul 14 15:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Coimbra University to save plenty with open	Jul 14 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	source ERP http://t.co/DAxHJGv46C	Jul 14 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 17:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Coimbra University to save plenty with open source ERP \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unofficial Android L port lands for HTC One	Jul 14 17:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RNx534CbFd (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 14 17:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Unofficial Android L port lands for HTC One \| Tux Machines		Jul 14 17:54
MinceR	gn	Jul 14 18:36
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 14 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 14 20:34
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 20:34
schestowitz	The more parties you fund the more expensive it will be; I think that in Mexico any party with more than 2% of the population supporting it can run for the presidency but I'm not so sure.	Jul 14 20:34
schestowitz	Besides that, I think half the work should be done by political parties and the other half by the citizens, I think that not having massive funding like the main parties should NOT be a reason for people not voting them.I find hard to believe that people can find cats in the Internet easily but are unable to find candidate's plan and trajectory. If people will vote for the candidate with the better ads then that's the kind of president	Jul 14 20:34
schestowitz	they will have, one good in marketing.	Jul 14 20:34
schestowitz	Talking about the US, what about Bernie Sanders? I have not hear so much about him but all what I have heard is good:	Jul 14 20:34
schestowitz	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/bernie-sanders-2016_n_4295872.html	Jul 14 20:34
schestowitz	"	Jul 14 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com \| Bernie Sanders Open To 2016 Presidential Run [ http://ur1.ca/hr89u ]		Jul 14 20:35
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schestowitz	The only real problem I have with Bernie Sanders is that he participates in authoritarian political system and seeks solutions in it, disregarding that the system itself is the problem.	Jul 14 20:35
schestowitz	He represents a small state, Vermont, which is probably unique in the U.S. It has, for instance, enacted and is in the process of implementing a single-payer health care system. There is a secession movement there that is probably better developed than any other in the country, and the people there would secede for the right reasons, for example, opposition to neoconservative war, opposition to neoliberalism, etc., which make Vermont	Jul 14 20:36
schestowitz	something of an outlier.	Jul 14 20:36
schestowitz	It is inconceivable that a self-identified socialist could be elected U.S. Senator from any other state.	Jul 14 20:36
schestowitz	Sanders runs as an independent but usually votes with Democrats; he is effective to the extent that Democrats can use him to advance their agenda. Outside that agenda, his words are, very sadly, nothing more than hot air.	Jul 14 20:36
schestowitz	Sanders is far from disproof of two-party (I'm being generous: Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky have said much the same thing as @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) did in opening this thread) hegemony; if anything, he simply further proof of it.	Jul 14 20:36
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TweetTuxMachines	compete with Chromebooks http://t.co/MvTUCwIJUA	Jul 14 23:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “World’s first” iris recognition smartwatch	Jul 14 23:40
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/488876207274860546	Jul 14 23:40
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 15 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 15 02:58
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 02:58
schestowitz	Half of what you have said about Sanders and Vermont sounds good to me, but since I'm not a US citizen I see no case in investigating further.	Jul 15 02:58
schestowitz	Anyway, I think that we have to try the easier and less violent ways first, because if that does not work then you have no other choice than taking a gun and try to end the regime or running away. Doing nothing but complaining does not look a solution to me, is more like a therapy.	Jul 15 02:58
schestowitz	I think that the best revolutions, the ones where the whole society advances and are more lasting, are the ones where almost nobody dies like in Iceland, the others where scores of people die are by themselves unsustainables and sooner or later they become only a change of tyrant.	Jul 15 02:58
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 02:58
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4399241	Jul 15 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Hamas 'claims responsibility' for drone attacks" http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/14/israel-shoots-down-gaza-drone-live-updates not exactly interested in ceasefire		Jul 15 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Egypt proposes Israel-Gaza ceasefire as death toll nears 200 - the day's events \| World news \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/hrbi6 ]		Jul 15 02:58
schestowitz	"Why should they be interested in a ceasefire? They are killed with impunity no matter what they do. The problem is that Palestinians are treated like caged animals. This is looking like a repeat of operation "Cast Lead", which basically proves all of the lock down, murder and punishment worthless. Do we want a future where collective punishment is eternally dished out on a population that only becomes more bitter each time?"	Jul 15 02:58
schestowitz	> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.odg	Jul 15 03:13
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schestowitz	> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.png	Jul 15 03:13
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schestowitz	Serve down. What's there?	Jul 15 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux Allinone Edition 9.1 Beta Has	Jul 15 03:24
TweetTuxMachines	Everything You Need http://t.co/GIQuml59EZ	Jul 15 03:24
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbnd	Jul 15 03:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fermilab Releases Scientific Linux 7.0 Alpha 2	Jul 15 03:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WqUd77bo70 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 03:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbo2	Jul 15 03:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines halting problem :: codes of conduct	Jul 15 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7yv9cTatFF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbo4	Jul 15 03:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Linux Desktop, FreeDOS Still Matters, and	Jul 15 03:29
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrbo6	Jul 15 03:29
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4404810	Jul 15 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The US government breaks into networks, computers, servers etc. while calling intrusion into them "cyber terrorism". Labeling itself?		Jul 15 04:32
schestowitz	"Try reasonong with amerikans , and you'll understand . Yeserday a guy explained to me that anglosaxons had the right to the land because before the 'red' people , there were nordic in amerika ?? And he's suposedly an educated , openminded person ."	Jul 15 04:33
schestowitz	wow. Maybe he watched some fiction movie, like one where Transformers were the reasons dinosaurs went extinct! :-)	Jul 15 04:33
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schestowitz	>>> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.odg	Jul 15 04:45
schestowitz	>>> >> http://beach.traxel.com/img/snowden-binney-2016-d.png	Jul 15 04:45
schestowitz	>> >	Jul 15 04:45
schestowitz	>> > Serve down. What's there?	Jul 15 04:45
schestowitz	>> >	Jul 15 04:45
schestowitz	> A fake campaign sticker promoting Snowden and Binney for president /	Jul 15 04:45
schestowitz	> vicepresident in 2016	Jul 15 04:45
schestowitz	It would be hilarious if I could see if, but it's still down.	Jul 15 04:45
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditArchLinux favourited 'Best Linux Desktop, FreeDOS Still Matters, and Darksiders...'		Jul 15 04:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Firefox in a Fix? http://t.co/WtA64oDQEL	Jul 15 04:48
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrc39	Jul 15 04:49
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4395964	Jul 15 05:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It would be better if there was just one party in the US instead of one pretending to be two. GOP vs Dem. enables divide-and-rule tactics.		Jul 15 05:01
schestowitz	"	Jul 15 05:01
schestowitz	Indeed. The difficulty with violent revolution is that it replaces one set of thugs with another.	Jul 15 05:01
schestowitz	Because you need thugs to win.	Jul 15 05:01
schestowitz	The trouble is that I see no prospect that the elite will willingly give up power. Indeed, what we see with increasing police brutality not just in the U.S. but around the world, increasing militarization of the police, domestic spying and other brutal forms of repression of dissent is that the elite have no qualms about using violence to preserve their position.	Jul 15 05:01
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/488969462868373504	Jul 15 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Murdoch calls for ISPs to be liable for users' activities http://t.co/dVvS8Svv3a the 1% wants to crush whatever exposes the 1%		Jul 15 06:09
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schestowitz	Everyone's yard always looks less green than the neighbour's. UK has its issues also.	Jul 15 06:10
MinceR	geekings	Jul 15 06:36
MinceR	http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2011/11/cult-leaders-vs-the-pope/	Jul 15 07:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tell the FCC: Net Neutrality is crucial to free	Jul 15 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	software http://t.co/FIcav8gVPf	Jul 15 08:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Said to Announce Job Cuts as Soon as	Jul 15 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	This Week http://t.co/MLj6wLqfWo	Jul 15 08:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apple iPhone 6 Clone Surfaces in China as CCTV	Jul 15 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	Cautions Against iPhone Usage, Fearing NSA	Jul 15 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	Spying http://t.co/ZRnWb9YBMh	Jul 15 08:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why is Cabinet Office Holding Back Microsoft's	Jul 15 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	ODF Emails? http://t.co/SyODXuunJU	Jul 15 09:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New AMD Catalyst 14.6 Beta Video Driver for	Jul 15 09:48
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Now Out http://t.co/iIXwGZBDET	Jul 15 09:48
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrer1	Jul 15 09:48
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Sosumi	the iphone’s aluminum treatment also causes herpes	Jul 15 10:31
Sosumi	or was it arsenic allergy? :P	Jul 15 10:32
Sosumi	so, another thing to watch out for	Jul 15 10:32
Sosumi	and just not the NSA	Jul 15 10:32
Sosumi	*nickel allergies	Jul 15 10:33
Sosumi	msdos logic	Jul 15 10:40
Sosumi	https://i.4cdn.org/s/1405402276172.jpg	Jul 15 10:40
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MinceR	:)	Jul 15 10:47
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4406674	Jul 15 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Endless stream of brutal imagery required for war on terror propaganda" http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-and-cia-want-to-keep-isis-tweeting-exploiting-social-media-to-keep-the-endless-war-on-terror-alive/5391222?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=pentagon-and-cia-want-to-keep-isis-tweeting-exploiting-social-media-to-keep-the-endless-war-on-terror-alive		Jul 15 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.globalresearch.ca \| Pentagon and CIA Want to Keep ISIS Tweeting: Exploiting Social Media to Keep the Endless War on Terror Alive \| Global Research		Jul 15 11:51
schestowitz	"I guess new bin laden is needed for western fat cats to continue justifying war in islamic countries. Just saying..."	Jul 15 11:51
MinceR	or the people living in the middle east will never be at peace until no more than one group survives	Jul 15 11:55
MinceR	(various muslim cults that hate each other and the jews)	Jul 15 11:56
abeNd-org	so, turn off the news & let them sort it out themselves?	Jul 15 11:56
MinceR	dunno	Jul 15 11:59
MinceR	i'm afraid them sorting it out themselves will lead to nuclear winter over here, too	Jul 15 11:59
MinceR	i'm not sure if that's avoidable at all	Jul 15 11:59
abeNd-org	so we should have turned off the news & let them sort it out pre-nuke	Jul 15 12:00
MinceR	i wouldn't turn off the news	Jul 15 12:01
MinceR	i'm not sure what purpose that would serve	Jul 15 12:01
abeNd-org	well, does it matter if you watch it or not? do you have any power to change anything going on?	Jul 15 12:04
MinceR	i might have enough to seek shelter for myself :>	Jul 15 12:05
MinceR	also to learn from it in the case i manage to survive	Jul 15 12:06
abeNd-org	meh, if it is your time...	Jul 15 12:07
DaemonFC	http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/07/kde-plasma-5-released	Jul 15 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk \| KDE Plasma 5 Arrives with Fresh New Look, True Convergence		Jul 15 12:18
DaemonFC	CONVERGENCE!!!!	Jul 15 12:20
DaemonFC	What is it with them using that word all over the place?	Jul 15 12:20
DaemonFC	Someone said Chrome is dangerous to use because it has a shell.	Jul 15 12:28
DaemonFC	I corrected him.	Jul 15 12:28
DaemonFC	"crosh is hidden so that normal users will never find it, and you can't really do anything with it that could harm the system even if you're a complete moron. Complete morons who accidentally load a crosh tab, don't know what it is, and start typing stuff, won't figure out how to become root (the chronos account) anyway.	Jul 15 12:28
DaemonFC	Of course, there's an explanation for users who do accidentally hit the key combo to bring up a crosh tab, that says :If you got here by mistake, just close this tab.".	Jul 15 12:28
DaemonFC	Chromebooks are so easy to use that anyone could use one.	Jul 15 12:28
DaemonFC	OS X and Windows have shells out in plain site. Your "normal user" can even open one up and totally destroy the operating system. People manage to use those systems. Some of the dumbest morons who have ever lived figure out Windows and OS X, and those are much harder to use than Chrome OS."	Jul 15 12:28
MinceR	this sense of convergence is that you're supposed to be able to use the same ui on phones, tablets, laptops, desktop pcs, etc.	Jul 15 12:33
DaemonFC	http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2012/12/18/10378851.aspx	Jul 15 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com \| Why was Pinball removed from Windows Vista? - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs		Jul 15 12:39
DaemonFC	MinceR, I don't want the UI on my computer to be the same as on my phone.	Jul 15 12:39
DaemonFC	That wouldn't make a very good experience.	Jul 15 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenWRT 14.07 RC1 Brings Native IPv6 Support,	Jul 15 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	New Init System http://t.co/yXttagnNt4	Jul 15 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489043563112456192	Jul 15 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenWRT 14.07 RC1 Brings Native IPv6 Support, New Init System \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 12:40
DaemonFC	http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2005/12/01/498882.aspx	Jul 15 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com \| What one Windows XP feature am I most proud of? - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs		Jul 15 12:41
DaemonFC	Some of these are actually kind of funny.	Jul 15 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Plasma brings a cleaner interface on top of	Jul 15 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	a new graphics stack http://t.co/vubbRZuSx6	Jul 15 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489043563762556928	Jul 15 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New Plasma brings a cleaner interface on top of a new graphics stack \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing Project Zero http://t.co/x7nl7S33z2	Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489064286325469184	Jul 15 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Announcing Project Zero \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “To whom much has been given, much is expected	Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	in return” – Free Software economics	Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PAXYc3oOWX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084786653155328	Jul 15 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| “To whom much has been given, much is expected in return” – Free Software economics \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Linux Desktop: Top 10 Candidates	Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R2QFShqsVW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084787231961088	Jul 15 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best Linux Desktop: Top 10 Candidates \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/YgLXE8tNIf	Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084787865309185	Jul 15 12:54
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schestowitz	_Goblin: he	Jul 15 14:01
schestowitz	hey	Jul 15 14:01
_Goblin	hi there!	Jul 15 14:01
_Goblin	hows things.	Jul 15 14:01
schestowitz	good. and you? Still in England?	Jul 15 14:10
_Goblin	yep	Jul 15 14:16
_Goblin	completed on house in US though now	Jul 15 14:17
_Goblin	we will be north east for the next few months at least tho...	Jul 15 14:18
_Goblin	so as of Aug we'll be quite close geographically	Jul 15 14:18
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2dthDSGkc#t=96	Jul 15 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Plasma 5.0 Visual Feature Guide - YouTube		Jul 15 14:20
DaemonFC	There's a ISO with KDS Plasma 5 on it to try out, based on Kubuntu.	Jul 15 14:20
DaemonFC	http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-latest.iso	Jul 15 14:21
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TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.75	Jul 15 14:24
schestowitz	DaemonFC: have you tried it yet?	Jul 15 14:24
schestowitz	If so, can you post what you're seeing now?	Jul 15 14:24
schestowitz	_Goblin: can we come to visit this summer or is it inconveniencing to others?	Jul 15 14:25
schestowitz	_Goblin: I read your article today. Let's hope we can resume the show as a sort of trans-Atlantic thing	Jul 15 14:25
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DaemonFC	I'm in the middle of downloading it. I figured I'd make a Live USB out of it and take it for a spin, to see what's going on.	Jul 15 14:29
_Goblin	not at all....we'll be in Seaham this summer...	Jul 15 14:30
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_Goblin	as for transatlantic stuff...if you make a G+ account we can work it no probs....I've done a recording with someone from PA.	Jul 15 14:31
schestowitz	I can do that	Jul 15 14:31
schestowitz	The show can then be made video-based too, though I guess the formats would annoy some	Jul 15 14:32
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I'm downloading it. I'll take screenshots while I'm using it.	Jul 15 14:32
schestowitz	if you do some techrights ones, I will share in twitter tomorrow	Jul 15 14:38
schestowitz	_Goblin: caught up with the other two messages (I had restarted konversation). Yes, we need to arrange to meet up (the wives too) some time this summer	Jul 15 14:47
DaemonFC	I'm amazed at how much HexChat has cleaned up the old XChat code.	Jul 15 14:47
DaemonFC	I don't remember XChat ever working this well.	Jul 15 14:47
DaemonFC	I wonder whatever happened to that XChat-GNOME thing. GNOME seems to be writing a new IRC program, so I take it they didn't rebase the old one off of HexChat.	Jul 15 14:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4404699	Jul 15 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Still no lawsuit from #noip or its customers against #microsoft - perhaps proving that you can freely commit crimes when you're large enough		Jul 15 14:49
schestowitz	"Waiting for that too."	Jul 15 14:49
schestowitz	XChat always worked well for me	Jul 15 14:49
schestowitz	I have run it non-stop (maybe half a day downtime twice in all those years) since 2008	Jul 15 14:50
DaemonFC	Any plans to move to HexChat now that XChat is dead?	Jul 15 14:50
DaemonFC	http://hexchat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/changelog.html	Jul 15 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hexchat.readthedocs.org \| HexChat ChangeLog — HexChat 2.10.0 documentation		Jul 15 14:51
DaemonFC	The changelog is pretty extensive.	Jul 15 14:51
schestowitz	I have scripts tied to xchat	Jul 15 14:53
schestowitz	I run it on two machines	Jul 15 14:54
schestowitz	actually, on three	Jul 15 14:54
schestowitz	Debian, Kubuntu, and my laptop	Jul 15 14:54
schestowitz	So moving to something that might not be on the repos or consistently built might not offer any gains	Jul 15 14:54
DaemonFC	Fedora is carrying both and has backported some of the patches to XChat to fix major problems.	Jul 15 14:55
MinceR	DaemonFC: sometimes i would want the two UIs to be the same	Jul 15 15:06
MinceR	but not always	Jul 15 15:06
MinceR	i suspect that xchat scripts would run mostly (or completely) the same on hexchat	Jul 15 15:07
MinceR	it's the same codebase, after all	Jul 15 15:07
MinceR	as for the winblows xp thing, i'd really like to see a good task scheduler	Jul 15 15:08
MinceR	on whatever kernel	Jul 15 15:08
schestowitz	it seems like lots of work for no gain	Jul 15 15:11
schestowitz	I don't use xchat for features, just for logging, and it's stable, not just light	Jul 15 15:12
MinceR	an upgrade is "lots of work"? :>	Jul 15 15:16
schestowitz	yes	Jul 15 15:19
schestowitz	it's not a simple upgrade but a package swap	Jul 15 15:19
schestowitz	for little or no substantial gain	Jul 15 15:19
DaemonFC	Those are the best kind!	Jul 15 15:43
schestowitz	plasma 5 demos hardly show me any new features	Jul 15 16:07
schestowitz	except search-related, which I'd never allow (indexing is a waste)	Jul 15 16:08
DaemonFC	Baloo improved things a lot.	Jul 15 16:09
DaemonFC	I think they switched over to Baloo on KDE 4 at the last minute to get rid of one of the major warts that never had been addressed up to that point. Nepomuk.	Jul 15 16:12
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DaemonFC	Well, that was unimpressive.	Jul 15 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/7ZZoXbP8wP	Jul 15 16:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 16:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084788452491265	Jul 15 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 16:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/6pdzQ9xDTa	Jul 15 16:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 16:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489084789345902592	Jul 15 16:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 16:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FFmpeg 2.2.5 Officially Released	Jul 15 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MR3JbU4PQ7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146020010283009	Jul 15 17:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FFmpeg 2.2.5 Officially Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.10 Receives Its Third Update Pack	Jul 15 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	and Linux Kernel 3.15 Support	Jul 15 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vKtQnraQpA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146020647813120	Jul 15 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro 0.8.10 Receives Its Third Update Pack and Linux Kernel 3.15 Support \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Advances JPEG Encoding with mozjpeg 2.0	Jul 15 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zNYdM4TcEB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146021272756225	Jul 15 17:17
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, https://i.imgur.com/NBOfnu0.png	Jul 15 18:08
DaemonFC	https://i.imgur.com/aKRg9Mb.png	Jul 15 18:08
DaemonFC	https://imgur.com/n9S6cIq	Jul 15 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| imgur: the simple image sharer		Jul 15 18:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines $35 OpenWRT SBC targets educational apps	Jul 15 18:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oMWDTZq1BV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 18:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146021851582464	Jul 15 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| $35 OpenWRT SBC targets educational apps \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 18:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Imad Sousou: The Future of Linux and Intel in	Jul 15 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	the New Connected World http://t.co/sJffkFPPfP	Jul 15 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489146022510088192	Jul 15 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Imad Sousou: The Future of Linux and Intel in the New Connected World \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Offers Up A Free Crash Course In Android	Jul 15 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	Development http://t.co/XQJt6rOTOK	Jul 15 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 15 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489157034932068353	Jul 15 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google Offers Up A Free Crash Course In Android Development \| Tux Machines		Jul 15 19:08
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4409089	Jul 16 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's mouthpiece at #CondeNasty (Ars) is upset that #Microsoft is abandoning #Windows http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/android-apps-on-windows-phone-would-be-an-ugly-capitulation/		Jul 16 03:00
schestowitz	"To be fair, Android apps on a Windows platform would be gross. I already dislike this whole "fake native" solution of just having enough of a runtime to run Android apps because your own platform doesn't get enough traction. The whole thing is sloppy as hell."	Jul 16 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Android apps on Windows Phone would be an ugly capitulation \| Ars Technica		Jul 16 03:00
schestowitz	"This article silently asserts that developers are writing applications for Windows, as if it were still 1995. They are not. The rest of the article rambles on pointlessly."	Jul 16 03:01
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4405855	Jul 16 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Presumption of guilt based on garments http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jasjit-singh/the-nsa-mohammed-raghead-_b_5584736.html		Jul 16 03:01
schestowitz	"Ignorance ...."	Jul 16 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com \| "Mohammed Raghead" and Fighting the Anti-Turban Bias that Plagues Our Land of Liberty \| Jasjit Singh		Jul 16 03:01
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4409096	Jul 16 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Western media's coverage of #ukraine is so deceiving that one is likely to get a better analysis from Ukranians on the streets		Jul 16 03:01
schestowitz	"If you have Ukrainian aquaintances."	Jul 16 03:01
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4409065	Jul 16 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "working to change state law to legalize the activities under investigation." http://www.prwatch.org/news/2014/07/12536/after-john-doe-subpoenas-wi-gop-sought-quietly-change-law #wisconsin apes #uk on #surveillance		Jul 16 03:02
schestowitz	"So typical of our lawless oligarchs."	Jul 16 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.prwatch.org \| Exclusive: After Subpoenas in Walker Criminal Probe, WI GOP Sought to Quietly Change Law \| PR Watch		Jul 16 03:02
schestowitz	> http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/14/this-is-why-the-government-should-never-control-the-internet/	Jul 16 03:07
schestowitz	>	Jul 16 03:07
schestowitz	> The Post of course.	Jul 16 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| This is why the government should never control the internet - The Washington Post		Jul 16 03:07
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 03:20
DaemonFC	There are only two kinds of Mac in the "mainstream" market.	Jul 16 03:20
DaemonFC	Slow and 'spensive and less slow and "arm, leg, eye, kidney, and testicle" 'spensive.	Jul 16 03:20
DaemonFC	When Apple introduced the $1099 iMac recently, Ars Technica did a write up that concluded that you lost roughly 50% of the performance from the $1299 model, to save 18% of your money.	Jul 16 03:20
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/07/1099-imac-review-lose-50-of-your-performance-to-save-18-of-the-money/	Jul 16 03:20
DaemonFC	Staggering? Not really. People who keep an eye on Apple know that if the price seems too good to be true, it's probably junk.	Jul 16 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| $1,099 iMac review: Lose 50% of your performance to save 18% of the money \| Ars Technica		Jul 16 03:21
DaemonFC	You could get yourself a niiiiiiiiiice PC for $1099 or a severely brain damaged iMac. Your call.	Jul 16 03:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE 5 is Here, LibreSSL Unsafe, and Debian 7.6	Jul 16 03:41
TweetTuxMachines	Released http://t.co/yokbF8bdLb	Jul 16 03:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 03:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311559802302464	Jul 16 03:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tiny module runs Linux and LabView on ARM/FPGA	Jul 16 03:49
TweetTuxMachines	SoC http://t.co/NCy9BTuOeE	Jul 16 03:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 03:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311560393699328	Jul 16 03:49
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489202878658379776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489203164416319488	Jul 16 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #DRIP heroes, round one https://t.co/E5hgZTe5AD "Voting against the programme motion - ... https://t.co/TGlCFJulPs		Jul 16 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.openrightsgroup.org \| Open Rights Group - #DRIP heroes, round one		Jul 16 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com \| #DRIP heroes, rou...		Jul 16 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "working to change state law to legalize the activities under investigation." http://t.co/xoPoMjJm0T #wisconsin apes #uk on #surveillance		Jul 16 04:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489202817971007488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489202878658379776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489203164416319488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489205646047580160 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/489205757234388992	Jul 16 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: CISA: The Banks Want Immunity and a Public-Private War Council http://t.co/HPL5Eua9fH #banks work directly with Keith Alexander now. #cisa		Jul 16 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.emptywheel.net \| CISA: The Banks Want Immunity and a Public-Private War Council \| emptywheel		Jul 16 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dan Goodin (Cande Nasty) and his longtime Jihad against Linux security reputation carries on http://t.co/7sEKp2PEWh		Jul 16 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Only a few days old, OpenSSL fork LibreSSL is declared “unsafe for Linux” \| Ars Technica		Jul 16 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: [recent enough to be relevant] #Mozilla Revenue Tops $311 Million http://t.co/BclolRg2on it will survive, surely...		Jul 16 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eweek.com \| Mozilla Revenue Tops $311 Million From Open-Source Technology		Jul 16 04:05
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4409096 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4409097	Jul 16 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Western media's coverage of #ukraine is so deceiving that one is likely to get a better analysis from Ukranians on the streets		Jul 16 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Filtering (by editing) voices on the streets to suit a narrative that a broadcast company already chose is neither journalism nor reporting		Jul 16 04:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Detailed review of Plasma 5	Jul 16 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4KLEbsBDX2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311561194811392	Jul 16 04:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Detailed review of Plasma 5 \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KaOS Calms Down KDE http://t.co/nG2SbI0qZx	Jul 16 04:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 04:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489311561756856320	Jul 16 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KaOS Calms Down KDE \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 04:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to use public PCs safely with Linux	Jul 16 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rza57EfX6E (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489322112327245825	Jul 16 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to use public PCs safely with Linux \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 9 Core and Ultimate are released	Jul 16 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kiR8thwq7g (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489322112981532672	Jul 16 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Zorin OS 9 Core and Ultimate are released \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 05:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE Announcement	Jul 16 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kw8bdZbipV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489322113531002880	Jul 16 05:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE Announcement \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04: The good, the bad, the Unity	Jul 16 05:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RdgVOlZRVr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 05:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332511231586305	Jul 16 05:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 14.04: The good, the bad, the Unity \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 05:22
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 05:35
DaemonFC	Microsoft is talking about a product that doesn't exist (Windows 9) and may not exist for years, to suppress criticism of Windows 8.	Jul 16 05:35
DaemonFC	With Microsoft, the "new version that fixes everything you hate" is always just around the corner. They've been pulling that trick for three decades now, because it works.	Jul 16 05:35
DaemonFC	They started talking about a "more reliable dos-less Windows" for consumer PCs back in the 1980s. Guess when consumers got their "more reliable dos-less Windows"? Late 2001.	Jul 16 05:35
DaemonFC	Their "Evangelism" guide clearly states that when people talk poorly of the current software, you try to change the focus to something that doesn't exist and is right around the corner, any minute now.	Jul 16 05:35
DaemonFC	The old tricks are the best tricks. They're even "leaking" out mocked up screen shots again. Will people ever learn?	Jul 16 05:35
DaemonFC	If people still hate Windows 9, they'll have the "Windows 10 promotion machine" while underway, and then they'll have another tool at their disposal. "Windows 7 is almost end of life. You don't have a choice."	Jul 16 05:41
DaemonFC	well	Jul 16 05:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux for cars: Automotive Grade Linux rivals	Jul 16 05:43
TweetTuxMachines	CarPlay and Android Auto http://t.co/GPXjoAjxU7	Jul 16 05:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 05:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332511827177472	Jul 16 05:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux for cars: Automotive Grade Linux rivals CarPlay and Android Auto \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 05:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Seagate rolls out NAS range with its own	Jul 16 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-based operating system	Jul 16 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1GntzM8edW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332512552792066	Jul 16 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Seagate rolls out NAS range with its own Linux-based operating system \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi 2 expected in 2017, Foundation	Jul 16 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	focussed on software for now	Jul 16 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/k1jHHcdCyf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489332513332928512	Jul 16 06:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspberry Pi 2 expected in 2017, Foundation focussed on software for now \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel to ship Galileo Gen2 open-source computer	Jul 16 06:09
TweetTuxMachines	in August for $60 http://t.co/Dvgoa0IaLV	Jul 16 06:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 06:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342500251762688	Jul 16 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel to ship Galileo Gen2 open-source computer in August for $60 \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 06:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cloud, open source power TransLink's Web	Jul 16 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	presence http://t.co/OU9CEAqKQO	Jul 16 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342500981571585	Jul 16 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Cloud, open source power TransLink's Web presence \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 06:18
DaemonFC	https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/CurrentBudgetFAQ	Jul 16 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.gnome.org \| FoundationBoard/CurrentBudgetFAQ - GNOME Wiki!		Jul 16 06:25
*DaemonFC head desks		Jul 16 06:25
DaemonFC	They're out of cash because they spent too much on the Outreach Program for Women?	Jul 16 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Crowdfunding for open source software	Jul 16 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YdEuDJ3tRm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342501715574784	Jul 16 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Crowdfunding for open source software \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 06:26
DaemonFC	http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.13.3.php	Jul 16 07:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org \| KDE - KDE Ships July Updates to Applications, Platform and Plasma Workspaces		Jul 16 07:08
DaemonFC	A whole bunch of old Konqueror/KHTML bugs got closed.	Jul 16 07:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189774	Jul 16 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189774 )		Jul 16 07:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274534	Jul 16 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274534 )		Jul 16 07:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279241	Jul 16 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279241 )		Jul 16 07:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301588	Jul 16 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301588 )		Jul 16 07:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336041	Jul 16 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336041 )		Jul 16 07:10
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336046	Jul 16 07:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336046 )		Jul 16 07:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336940	Jul 16 07:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336940 )		Jul 16 07:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337000	Jul 16 07:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337000 )		Jul 16 07:11
DaemonFC	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337008	Jul 16 07:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337008 )		Jul 16 07:11
DaemonFC	It's nice to see them fixing up some of this before they leave KDE 4 behind.	Jul 16 07:11
DaemonFC	5 bugs were fixed in KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.11.11 and 55 were fixed in Applications 4.13.3.	Jul 16 07:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How open source can solve Silicon Valley's	Jul 16 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	engineering crisis http://t.co/I8P7MX3Mel	Jul 16 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342502655119361	Jul 16 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How open source can solve Silicon Valley's engineering crisis \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DistroWatch resolves its domain registrar	Jul 16 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	problems http://t.co/FyuVZkfXKy	Jul 16 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489342503317815296	Jul 16 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| DistroWatch resolves its domain registrar problems \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Next Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE)	Jul 16 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	Versions May Be Built Only On The Stable	Jul 16 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	Versions Of Debian http://t.co/dCjtecWSIl	Jul 16 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489353356716941312	Jul 16 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Next Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) Versions May Be Built Only On The Stable Versions Of Debian \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 09:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/UGbk6X6b5P	Jul 16 15:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 15:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrh1j	Jul 16 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 15:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/7QzVyrUaAl	Jul 16 15:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 15:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrh28	Jul 16 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 15:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Applications and Platform 4.13.3 Is the	Jul 16 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	Last Update in the Series	Jul 16 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HoU27XNpWh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrh2n	Jul 16 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Applications and Platform 4.13.3 Is the Last Update in the Series \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/T3oEzUkbrQ	Jul 16 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 16 15:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Jul 16 15:53
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 15:58
DaemonFC	Windows is a great way to see more of your family outside of the holiday seasons.	Jul 16 15:58
DaemonFC	Just give them a laptop with Windows on it for Christmas, and they'll be breaking down your door all the time asking you to un**** it for them. ;)	Jul 16 15:58
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 16 15:58
DaemonFC	I knew good things were in the pipeline when Google bought Android and I heard "linux" and "phone",	Jul 16 15:58
DaemonFC	It felt like I waited forever to have the opportunity to buy a smartphone, because none existed before that.	Jul 16 15:58
DaemonFC	I'm watching Firefox OS, but right now it still sounds a lot like the first iPhone, where it was just a web browser on a phone and Jobs was all like "Apps!? We don't need apps!". Bleh!	Jul 16 15:58
MinceR	huh? smartphones existed long before that	Jul 16 15:59
MinceR	treos, for example	Jul 16 16:01
DaemonFC	What's a treos?	Jul 16 16:09
MinceR	plural of treo.	Jul 16 16:31
abeNd-org	oh the old Treos were great	Jul 16 16:33
abeNd-org	650 was the first great smartphone	Jul 16 16:33
abeNd-org	palm lacked in the marketing dept, which was kinda sad	Jul 16 16:34
MinceR	indeed	Jul 16 16:36
MinceR	also kinda sad when they licensed a kernel that could multitask but didn't pay enough for multitasking	Jul 16 16:37
MinceR	and so they couldn't multitask when symbian could	Jul 16 16:38
DaemonFC	That sucks. Why couldn't they just use a Free kernel?	Jul 16 16:38
MinceR	dunno	Jul 16 16:38
MinceR	they would have used one in Palm OS 6	Jul 16 16:38
MinceR	but that didn't happen	Jul 16 16:38
MinceR	they came up with webOS instead	Jul 16 16:38
MinceR	but that had a free kernel too :>	Jul 16 16:38
DaemonFC	That's always funny when a company has a product that could be good, but they nickel and dime it to death and they tank.	Jul 16 16:39
MinceR	indeed	Jul 16 16:41
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Treo	Jul 16 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Palm Treo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 16 16:51
DaemonFC	Windows Mobile	Jul 16 16:51
DaemonFC	Blecth!	Jul 16 16:51
MinceR	normally they shipped Palm OS, though	Jul 16 16:52
MinceR	funny how they had to shrink the screen for the winblows versions because poor little winblows mobile couldn't handle more than 320x240 pixels	Jul 16 16:52
MinceR	typical microsoft scalability.	Jul 16 16:52
abeNd-org	the centro was a great phone	Jul 16 16:56
abeNd-org	the last palmos 5.x, & solid little phone too	Jul 16 16:57
abeNd-org	it was "small" but the keyboard was still plenty usable	Jul 16 16:57
abeNd-org	& it could survive mother in laws running theirs through the wash twice	Jul 16 16:57
abeNd-org	3rd time killed the battery	Jul 16 16:57
abeNd-org	then we got her a palm pixi, she did the same thing to it too, it lasted through 2 washings & the 3rd killed the mic/speakers/battery, but the device would still power on	Jul 16 16:58
MinceR	i don't know why people treat their phones so harshly	Jul 16 17:00
abeNd-org	knock on particle board, ive never broken one of mine	Jul 16 17:02
abeNd-org	the MiL's excuse is the centro/pixi were so light she didnt notice them in her pockets, & she is a taller woman so those phone were pretty small	Jul 16 17:03
abeNd-org	so now shes got an iphone with one of those obnoxiously large gorilla cases	Jul 16 17:03
abeNd-org	but when she had the centro/pixi she used them, so they werent a problem for an "elderly" person	Jul 16 17:04
MinceR	i did have a phone the hinge mechanism in which broke the thing from the inside	Jul 16 17:04
abeNd-org	the iphone though her brother suggested, she cant stand :P	Jul 16 17:04
MinceR	it might have had a crack prior to it though, i'm not sure	Jul 16 17:04
MinceR	http://www.szeretlekmagyarorszag.hu/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/asp_620_kerekessz.jpg	Jul 16 17:07
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schestowitz	heh	Jul 16 17:29
DaemonFC	Japa Mala Illo My hexchat experience is too awesome, I can't handle it. Do you have a fix for that?	Jul 16 17:32
DaemonFC	HexChat Um, how about... switching to mIRC for a while?	Jul 16 17:33
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 16 17:33
abeNd-org	pidgin ftw!	Jul 16 17:33
MinceR	lol	Jul 16 17:33
abeNd-org	sync my profiles/settings/etc cross platform via dropbox	Jul 16 17:34
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks for the screenshots, will use them soon	Jul 16 17:34
abeNd-org	seriously, pidgin is great, i have aim/yahoo/msn/skype/multiple irc networks/steam/google chat/groupwise IM all in one interface	Jul 16 17:34
DaemonFC	abeNd-org, Have you heard of Telepathy?	Jul 16 17:35
DaemonFC	It has the Haze plug-in too, so it can tap into libpurple.	Jul 16 17:35
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abeNd-org	no,i havent	Jul 16 17:36
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abeNd-org	doesnt look crossplatform	Jul 16 17:37
DaemonFC	It has a frontend for GNOME and KDE that I know of.	Jul 16 17:37
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepathy_(software)	Jul 16 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Telepathy (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hrhir ]		Jul 16 17:38
abeNd-org	yea, but for work i still have to use windows, no matter how much people here hate it, it still dominates the enterprise	Jul 16 17:38
MinceR	the enterprise does not consist entirely of desktop pc-s	Jul 16 17:40
MinceR	and some enterprises have minimal winblows usage	Jul 16 17:40
abeNd-org	all the ones i work for do	Jul 16 17:41
MinceR	sucks to be them	Jul 16 17:41
abeNd-org	well, going back to financial apps, there are no alternatives on linux for the likes of http://www.cchgroup.com/roles/accounting-firms/prosystem-fx	Jul 16 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cchgroup.com \| ProSystem fx® Suite [ http://ur1.ca/hrhjb ]		Jul 16 17:42
abeNd-org	so, there is no way they could use linux if they wanted to	Jul 16 17:42
MinceR	yeah, there's no way such software could be developed for GNU/Linux	Jul 16 17:43
MinceR	or ported to it	Jul 16 17:43
MinceR	right?	Jul 16 17:43
MinceR	also, wine doesn't exist	Jul 16 17:43
abeNd-org	developer wont port to linux & doesnt support it running on wine, already asked	Jul 16 17:43
MinceR	then they'll be beaten by somebody who will	Jul 16 17:44
abeNd-org	& when it comes to dealing with company/rich individual taxes, you dont want to screw up things	Jul 16 17:44
MinceR	exactly	Jul 16 17:44
MinceR	so you don't want to run microsoft software	Jul 16 17:44
abeNd-org	so far no one has even talked about linux alternatives	Jul 16 17:44
MinceR	so they do want to screw up things, after all	Jul 16 17:44
MinceR	good for them	Jul 16 17:44
abeNd-org	so, if there is no linux alternative, & none on the horizon, you cant use a non-existent linux product	Jul 16 17:45
MinceR	yeah, it's not like a business could pay someone to develop a new product	Jul 16 17:45
MinceR	such things never happen.	Jul 16 17:45
abeNd-org	yes, but you have full vendor support running it in a supported environment, and if something is hosed up, it is on the vendor's head. if i were to run this in linux/wine, it would be on my head	Jul 16 17:45
abeNd-org	yes, sure, someone could, but no one has	Jul 16 17:46
MinceR	interesting how that vendor believes they can support an environment that is under microsoft's control	Jul 16 17:46
abeNd-org	feel free to email & ask them about it	Jul 16 17:46
MinceR	i don't care that much	Jul 16 17:47
abeNd-org	i already have & they said no linux, not even on the back end	Jul 16 17:47
MinceR	i'm not the customer	Jul 16 17:47
MinceR	if they insist on being incompetent, maybe it will doom them one day, maybe it won't	Jul 16 17:47
abeNd-org	& that is just one example, http://www.shelbysystems.com/ is another example that is pure windows, & there is no linux alternative	Jul 16 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.shelbysystems.com \| Church Management Software \| Shelby Systems - Shelby Systems : Church Management Software		Jul 16 17:47
MinceR	i'm sure lots of businessed to church management	Jul 16 17:48
MinceR	s/d to/s do/	Jul 16 17:48
abeNd-org	I have plenty of linux back end servers for file/print/dns/dhcp/etc at different customers, but if the product is mssql based, then it is going to be on windows, & if there is no alternative, then you are stuck with windows	Jul 16 17:48
MinceR	if the product is mssql based then it's going to suck	Jul 16 17:49
MinceR	i've used mssql once and it was enough for life	Jul 16 17:49
abeNd-org	another one that is windows only & there is no linux (server or client) alternative http://www.librarica.com/	Jul 16 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.librarica.com \| CASSIE and SPOT - Public Computer and Printer Management		Jul 16 17:51
abeNd-org	id love some patron management software that can manage windows/linux/osx with a windows or linux backend & is SIP2 compliant so it can dovetail properly into http://evergreen-ils.org/egdownloads/ (which actually does have a linux backend & windows/linux clients)	Jul 16 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-evergreen-ils.org \| Evergreen Downloads \| Evergreen ILS		Jul 16 17:52
abeNd-org	even simple things like the management software to access points http://www.ubnt.com/download/ run apache for windows, but don't have a linux version	Jul 16 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubnt.com \| Ubiquiti Networks - Downloads		Jul 16 17:55
MinceR	some of it will probably be taken care of by the cloud hype	Jul 16 17:55
MinceR	after all, if your clients are just using a web browser, it doesn't matter that much if they move to a different platform	Jul 16 17:56
abeNd-org	right, & a lot of that cloud will be windows powered	Jul 16 17:56
MinceR	unlikely	Jul 16 17:56
abeNd-org	again, if there isnt a linux version of it, you cant run it in linux	Jul 16 17:56
MinceR	again, if your business needs a GNU/Linux version, it will have one made	Jul 16 17:57
abeNd-org	why would a company spend its own money for someone to create a full featured enterprise app when one that does everything they need already exists?	Jul 16 17:57
MinceR	the company would have to spend its own money on it anyway	Jul 16 17:58
abeNd-org	forget the platform, it doesnt make sense to build from scratch	Jul 16 17:58
MinceR	notice how these companies all want to sell it	Jul 16 17:58
MinceR	it made sense to build from scratch for the ones you're linking to	Jul 16 17:58
MinceR	afaik those markets aren't barred to newcomers yet	Jul 16 17:58
abeNd-org	i know a lot of auto dealerships around here all had customer built auto software, some windows, some linux, most have quit developing it & moved to the ADP platform because it had way more options than their internally maintained ever did	Jul 16 17:59
abeNd-org	& the ADP platform is on windows for the backend, & while the front end is webbased it still uses .net for windows	Jul 16 17:59
abeNd-org	& those that did have linux custom backends only had windows clients, because everything else in the business at the client level ran on windows	Jul 16 18:01
MinceR	preach on, i've got to get some sleep now	Jul 16 18:03
abeNd-org	as i said, ive got plenty of linux back end	Jul 16 18:04
abeNd-org	but if there isnt linux software for task X, then i cant use linux for it	Jul 16 18:04
MinceR	as i said, if i'm a business, and i need GNU/Linux software for task X, i'll have GNU/Linux software for task X	Jul 16 18:05
MinceR	that's how business works	Jul 16 18:05
abeNd-org	then there isnt much demand for GNU/Linux software for common enterprise tasks	Jul 16 18:06
abeNd-org	^outside of the server room	Jul 16 18:06
MinceR	microsoft is working on that	Jul 16 18:06
MinceR	case in point: vista, 7, 8	Jul 16 18:06
abeNd-org	accounting/hr/etc	Jul 16 18:06
abeNd-org	well, no one has stepped up as of yet to provide a meaningful GNU/Linux alternative to any of the softwares ive mentioned	Jul 16 18:07
abeNd-org	if they did, & companies thought it usable, they would have bought it	Jul 16 18:08
abeNd-org	or, dared to go the self support route if there was no company behind the opensource version	Jul 16 18:08
abeNd-org	& sometimes even with opensource versions that work just fine there is no business buy in	Jul 16 18:09
abeNd-org	i deployed dotproject, ldap enabled it for logins, etc as an alternative to buying msproject/project server for all the managers	Jul 16 18:09
abeNd-org	they tried it for a few days, said no, & submitted the PO for msproject	Jul 16 18:09
abeNd-org	same with openfire/spark, great IM server, but doesnt hold a candle optionwise to things like GroupwiseIM, lotus sametime, or microsoft lync	Jul 16 18:13
abeNd-org	ive done plenty of ldap enabled openfire servers against AD & eDirectory, worked great, but users wanted more options than it could provide	Jul 16 18:14
MinceR	yeah, AD was so great when it forgot my password	Jul 16 18:15
MinceR	so was exchange when it delivered my mail into the trash for a week, and then deleted them	Jul 16 18:15
MinceR	companies will go with microsoft if they don't mind losing their data	Jul 16 18:15
MinceR	it's their problem	Jul 16 18:15
abeNd-org	i havent seen ad or edir forget a users password, seen plenty of pebkac issues along those lines though :P	Jul 16 18:16
abeNd-org	but ive seen every mail system hose up, google apps (not talking gmail), exchange, lotus notes, groupwise (be it on windows, linux, or netware)	Jul 16 18:17
MinceR	must have been pebkac that a password stored in various places suddenly wasn't considered correct	Jul 16 18:17
MinceR	must be a lot simpler explanation than a single point of failure, right?	Jul 16 18:17
abeNd-org	im not sure what was hosed up in that particular AD enviroment, not saying it couldnt have done it, im just saying i havent seen it in the many networks ive worked with	Jul 16 18:18
MinceR	also, i'm sure all companies can afford the loss of productivity that randomly losing focus and randomly rebooting causes	Jul 16 18:18
MinceR	and the retraining for each new winblows and office version must be without cost as well	Jul 16 18:18
abeNd-org	that said i am sure openldap isnt perfect either	Jul 16 18:18
MinceR	so you don't know but you knock it because it isn't microsoft	Jul 16 18:19
abeNd-org	oh man, openoffice/libreoffice, i have tried & tried to get buy in with that, even on windows	Jul 16 18:19
abeNd-org	but when they try to open a simple word doc & formatting is all hosed up, they give up on it	Jul 16 18:19
MinceR	so they've locked their documents into a broken proprietary format	Jul 16 18:20
MinceR	and it's OO/LO's fault	Jul 16 18:20
abeNd-org	or features, say excel's pivot table https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Migration_Guide/Calc_and_Excel - even the wiki says OO is limited in it's ability compared to excel	Jul 16 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.openoffice.org \| Differences in Use between Calc and Excel - Apache OpenOffice Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/hrhot ]		Jul 16 18:23
abeNd-org	so if the user needs the option & the GNU/Linux software doesnt provide it, they arent going to use it	Jul 16 18:24
abeNd-org	in the end, it is the end user/manager that writes the check, so what they say goes, & if they want a windows version, then that is what they get	Jul 16 18:28
abeNd-org	i do my best to educate them on the alternatives if there are any	Jul 16 18:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rugged Android tablet boasts all-day battery	Jul 16 18:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ARM MPD Still Not Doing Open Drivers; ARM	Jul 16 18:37
TweetTuxMachines	Vendors Hiding Behind Linaro	Jul 16 18:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Developers Can Get The First MDK (Module	Jul 16 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	Development Kit) Of Google’s Project ARA In	Jul 16 18:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Delivers Enterprise-Grade Ceph Storage	Jul 16 18:38
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schestowitz	[16:46] <TweetSchestowitz> @wikileaks UK surveillance operation agaisnt #Assange hits	Jul 16 20:38
schestowitz	[16:46] <TweetSchestowitz> £6,814,823.82 http://t.co/8b8PyjMqXS	Jul 16 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-govwaste.co.uk \| UK Gov't Waste Explored		Jul 16 20:38
schestowitz	[16:46] <TweetSchestowitz> (govwaste.co.uk) #svpol #sweden More:	Jul 16 20:38
schestowitz	[16:46] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/0Sqa2fneHf (freeassangenow.org)	Jul 16 20:38
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schestowitz	http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hqG_rNQfQIQ/U8VhFbhBYNI/AAAAAAACDXo/qgykkowAmXU/s1600/944408_10151711300187518_434443310_n.jpg	Jul 16 20:47
schestowitz	With the ability to manipulate polls, Western spooks have a strong toolbox which includes manipulating opinions on an oppressor or occupier in foreign nations	Jul 16 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cheery social robot owes it all to its inner	Jul 17 03:26
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/xUN62XmMYF	Jul 17 03:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No Chaos KaOS, LibreSSL Fixed, and More KDE 5	Jul 17 06:50
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrlag	Jul 17 06:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OFE: 'Continued discrimination in IT	Jul 17 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	procurement' http://t.co/WLZsygwTax	Jul 17 06:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice-from-Collabora 4.2 released to the	Jul 17 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	channel http://t.co/gUaCac1Xs5	Jul 17 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GhostBSD 4.0 BETA 3 now available	Jul 17 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Distribution Basics: Rolling Releases vs.	Jul 17 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	Standard Releases http://t.co/6LUaTvgLDi	Jul 17 08:37
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schestowitz	> http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/07/17/microsoft-job-cuts/12772901/	Jul 17 13:49
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schestowitz	>	Jul 17 13:49
schestowitz	> What to you want to bet that the severance packages contain	Jul 17 13:49
schestowitz	> non-disparagement / non-compete clauses of some kind? They will spread	Jul 17 13:49
schestowitz	> like a cloud of toxins to new employers. And how many temps /	Jul 17 13:49
schestowitz	> permatemps are going, too?	Jul 17 13:49
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DaemonFC	They named the infirmary at the Miami County Correctional Facility after my aunt.	Jul 17 13:58
DaemonFC	The dedication ceremony was today.	Jul 17 13:58
schestowitz	> http://www.infoworld.com/t/open-source-software/were-living-in-post-open-source-world-246448	Jul 17 14:10
schestowitz	>	Jul 17 14:10
schestowitz	> trolling for Black Duck	Jul 17 14:10
schestowitz	Unfortunately, the problem is this case is what Red Hat called "Asayroll" (troll) and I call Mac Asay. He used to be a fan of the GPL but then turned against it. Black Duck is just one among several data points he uses. I think the other one is (at least was) partly Microsoft-funded.	Jul 17 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com \| We're living in a post-open source world \| Open source software - InfoWorld		Jul 17 14:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4415469	Jul 17 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #cbs #cnet has removed (censored I assume) a classic article about company that ditched Microsoft. Follow links: http://mrpogson.com/2013/02/14/50-years-old-and-12-years-free-of-m-ernie-ball/		Jul 17 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mrpogson.com \| 50 Years Old And 12 Years Free Of M$: Ernie Ball \| Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/ctlnb ]		Jul 17 14:25
schestowitz	"The BSA was one of the biggest reasons I left Windows. It's stupid to prosecute sysadmins since we usually cannot decide what software to use, and refusing to install pirated software is an invitation to be fired. That's why I left the Windows license management and BSA problems to Windows lovers long time ago. And fuck #Microsoft."	Jul 17 14:25
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4417879	Jul 17 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Reporting about #nsa has helped The Guardian http://adage.com/article/media/mec-exec-eamonn-store-named-ceo-guardian-u-s/294120/ there is still a market for facts, too, not propaganda		Jul 17 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> adage.com \| MEC Exec Eamonn Store Named CEO of Guardian U.S. \| Media - Advertising Age [ http://ur1.ca/hrnvh ]		Jul 17 14:29
DaemonFC	GNOME Web 3.12.1 beat Firefox 30 on Peacekeeper. Web scored 2644 and Firefox 30 scored 2512.	Jul 17 14:29
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/4417645	Jul 17 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The World's Next Major Trade Agreement Will Make #NSA Spying Even Easier http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-trans-pacific-partnership-will-make-nsa-spying-easier all about serving those in power		Jul 17 14:30
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DaemonFC	http://askubuntu.com/questions/470040/how-to-customize-or-debug-ad-blocking-on-gnome-web-epiphany-browser	Jul 17 14:42
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DaemonFC	I just edited it to have it subscribe to Easylist+EasyPrivacy and Fanboy's Annoyances.	Jul 17 14:49
DaemonFC	That seems to have gotten everything that Easylist missed by itself.	Jul 17 14:49
DaemonFC	and adblock warning removal list too. B-)	Jul 17 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Creator Linus Torvalds is Your Guide in	Jul 17 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	This Rare Look Inside His Home Office	Jul 17 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JCh1ONfNVl (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 15:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox OS Ecosystem Shows Strong Momentum and	Jul 17 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	Expands Across New Devices, Markets and	Jul 17 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	Categories http://t.co/1iA59tNXyU	Jul 17 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 15:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx (www.x.org) Server 1.16	Jul 17 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	Officially Released With Terrific Features	Jul 17 15:04
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kaKsOCOgvF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 15:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| X.Org Server 1.16 Officially Released With Terrific Features \| Tux Machines		Jul 17 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The state of accessibility in Linux and open	Jul 17 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	source software http://t.co/JHITrKd5oP	Jul 17 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 15:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The state of accessibility in Linux and open source software \| Tux Machines		Jul 17 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenMW 0.31 Has A Ton Of Changes	Jul 17 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/btABjnCfu1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 15:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenMW 0.31 Has A Ton Of Changes \| Tux Machines		Jul 17 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Evolution 3.12.4 Now Supports Google Tasks	Jul 17 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Eq2BwHuQla (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 15:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UBUNTU 13.10 SAUCY SALAMANDER END OF LIFE: JULY	Jul 17 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	17, 2014 http://t.co/fGa8WRAcv2	Jul 17 15:47
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DaemonFC	I've pulled in the latest GNOME 3.12 packages.	Jul 17 17:05
DaemonFC	I did up a sort of Classic Desktop and it seems to work fine.	Jul 17 17:05
DaemonFC	Their official Classic Session has a "blah" color scheme to it, so I just installed the extensions into the regular session.	Jul 17 17:06
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4420640	Jul 17 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jimmy Carter: “The Rest of the World, Almost Unanimously, Looks at America as the Number 1 Warmonger” http://www.globalresearch.ca/breakdown-in-diplomacy-at-the-un-security-council-who-is-behind-the-most-terrible-crimes-in-the-history-of-humanity-syria-or-the-us/5391402		Jul 17 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.globalresearch.ca \| Breakdown in Diplomacy at the UN Security Council. Who is Behind “The Most Terrible Crimes in the History of Humanity”, Syria or the US? \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/hrqat ]		Jul 17 17:40
schestowitz	"Which they are , aren't they?"	Jul 17 17:40
schestowitz	"I'm not seeing any counter arguments here. And I am offering none."	Jul 17 17:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4420354	Jul 17 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CIA drones kill at least 13 in Pakistan: the bloodiest strike for more than a year http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/07/16/cia-drones-kill-at-least-13-in-pakistan-the-bloodiest-strike-for-more-than-a-year/ suspected adults		Jul 17 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thebureauinvestigates.com \| CIA drones kill at least 13 in Pakistan: the bloodiest strike for more than a year \| The Bureau of Investigative Journalism [ http://ur1.ca/hrqaz ]		Jul 17 17:40
schestowitz	"	Jul 17 17:40
schestowitz	The "Lion of the Punjab"	Jul 17 17:40
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MianNawazSharif#United_States	Jul 17 17:40
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DaemonFC	So, I've been using GNOME Web for a couple of days now....	Jul 17 19:17
DaemonFC	It's actually pretty nice. It's fast, stable, and reasonably easy to use.	Jul 17 19:17
DaemonFC	I don't know why they renamed it "Web".	Jul 17 19:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Final Version of FreeBSD 9.3 Arrives with	Jul 17 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	Improved ZFS Filesystem http://t.co/uvfrxVhGND	Jul 17 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrqzi	Jul 17 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Final Version of FreeBSD 9.3 Arrives with Improved ZFS Filesystem \| Tux Machines		Jul 17 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 21 Starts Working Towards Its Alpha	Jul 17 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	Release http://t.co/19J6KCyz4y	Jul 17 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 17 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrqzm	Jul 17 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 21 Starts Working Towards Its Alpha Release \| Tux Machines		Jul 17 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenWRT adds IPv6, preps for IoT future	Jul 18 02:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jLYBhh8GRP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 02:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/489920069904769024	Jul 18 02:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calibre 1.45 eBook Reader and Editor Brings	Jul 18 03:55
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements for Kindle Books	Jul 18 03:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Mc5Jxfoq09 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 03:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hru5r	Jul 18 03:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Calibre 1.45 eBook Reader and Editor Brings Improvements for Kindle Books \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 03:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Fitness Apps for Google Chrome and Chrome	Jul 18 03:55
TweetTuxMachines	OS http://t.co/30RVtYw1Gh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 03:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hru61	Jul 18 03:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best Fitness Apps for Google Chrome and Chrome OS \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 21 Alpha, Project Mayhem, and Linus'	Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	Office http://t.co/zeLOgJCmFb	Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut0	Jul 18 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 21 Alpha, Project Mayhem, and Linus' Office \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snowden on Dropbox: It’s hostile to privacy	Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KFKkLiv3ZR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut1	Jul 18 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Snowden on Dropbox: It’s hostile to privacy \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RadeonSI Gallium3D Now Supports GL4 Indirect	Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	Drawing Too http://t.co/f5cSwzr6dx	Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut2	Jul 18 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| RadeonSI Gallium3D Now Supports GL4 Indirect Drawing Too \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromebook – What it is and what it isn’t.	Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pirQVb6KBC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrut3	Jul 18 04:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Slackware Turns 21 Years Old	Jul 18 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sOOAaUVt67 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hruv1	Jul 18 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Slackware Turns 21 Years Old \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox OS lands in Germany – with France,	Jul 18 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	Asia, and more to come http://t.co/TmySe9Ql7w	Jul 18 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hruv5	Jul 18 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox OS lands in Germany – with France, Asia, and more to come \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Robolinux 7.5.5 Brings the Fully Encrypted	Jul 18 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	Cloud Service Spider Oak for Free to Its Users	Jul 18 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GZyg6X8Onb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hruvc	Jul 18 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Robolinux 7.5.5 Brings the Fully Encrypted Cloud Service Spider Oak for Free to Its Users \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 04:36
MinceR	geekings	Jul 18 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux System Administration Skills are Changing	Jul 18 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pMDDFlyidC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrvby	Jul 18 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux System Administration Skills are Changing \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A juggernaut like the NHS won’t find it easy to	Jul 18 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	drop Windows for open source - but it should	Jul 18 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5ZoCqDYN70 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrvc5	Jul 18 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A juggernaut like the NHS won’t find it easy to drop Windows for open source - but it should \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PredictionIO’s $2.5M money bag suggests	Jul 18 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	open-source is right for machine learning	Jul 18 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Wd1SNDA3ka (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrvc6	Jul 18 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| PredictionIO’s $2.5M money bag suggests open-source is right for machine learning \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 06:10
Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/staff/2014/07/op-ed-microsoft-layoff-e-mail-typifies-inhuman-corporate-insensitivity/	Jul 18 06:17
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Sosumi	this why you should always aim to be the employer and never the employe	Jul 18 06:18
Sosumi	and ofc, try to be better than that in case you’re actually the employer	Jul 18 06:18
Sosumi	because you might end up with egg in the face, specially if the employ decides to take on your IT infastrocture down the road once things have settled down	Jul 18 06:19
Sosumi	let’s hope someone set it on fire	Jul 18 06:20
Sosumi	just like on “office space” movie	Jul 18 06:20
Sosumi	http://images.tzaam.com/full/10k.jpg	Jul 18 06:32
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DaemonFC	Well, Polari still needs a lot of work.	Jul 18 07:37
DaemonFC	https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Polari	Jul 18 07:37
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DaemonFC	I tried the latest version, which is apparently easy to use, and I was dumbfounded and spent about 20 minutes yesterday just trying to get onto Freenode and into a chat room.	Jul 18 07:38
DaemonFC	Once I managed to do that, it insisted on opening up dialog tabs for Chanserv and Nickserv messages, when every other client I've seen that lasted more than 5 minutes on my computer just routed them into the main server tab and maybe the tab for the room I was looking at at the moment.	Jul 18 07:39
DaemonFC	When I tried closing the Chanserv and Nickserv tabs, it kept reopening them and alerting me to the last message again, opening a notification through GNOME's notification system.	Jul 18 07:40
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DaemonFC	It also has two independent network configuration applets. One of its own, and one that seems to work through the GNOME Accounts applet.	Jul 18 07:41
DaemonFC	It's a shame, because it could be a good program if it just worked a little bit differently, but there are no preferences to set.	Jul 18 07:41
DaemonFC	And the built-in configuration applet should die and bring up the global one.	Jul 18 07:42
*DaemonFC is always interested in trying out new software.		Jul 18 07:42
DaemonFC	I really like what they did with the rest of GNOME 3.12, but Linus Torvalds was right that some of the extensions should be there by default, and the Tweak Tool should be integrated into the Control Panel.	Jul 18 07:43
DaemonFC	What we have going on with the Tweak Tool is like that old Devil's Pie applet. GNOME keeps insisting that their way is better and we do not need customization or advanced preferences, and then they end up making it frustrating by default, but fixable with all this stuff that you apparently should just know exists.	Jul 18 07:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.10 Netbook Edition is now	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	available! http://t.co/hev1sNbvMo	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwcw	Jul 18 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro 0.8.10 Netbook Edition is now available! \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kerala Legislature announces smooth transition	Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	to free software http://t.co/MZzi8vE3WA	Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwcy	Jul 18 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kerala Legislature announces smooth transition to free software \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Avoid the Android vampire apps	Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UJcMTgRXsH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/490123825346920449	Jul 18 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Avoid the Android vampire apps \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 4.2 Beta 1 Is Now Based on XBMC	Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	“Gotham” 13.2 Beta 1 and Linux Kernel 3.15	Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gCoXoXiwIc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwd2	Jul 18 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenELEC 4.2 Beta 1 Is Now Based on XBMC “Gotham” 13.2 Beta 1 and Linux Kernel 3.15 \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/cyi1S4tn0g	Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwd4	Jul 18 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/L92vg1GMpb	Jul 18 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwds	Jul 18 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/lAGV6XedBc	Jul 18 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hrwe1	Jul 18 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 09:27
DaemonFC	https://ikt.id.au/2011/03/28/why-i-avoid-adobe.html	Jul 18 09:46
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 18 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ikt.id.au \| Why I avoid Adobe. [ http://ur1.ca/hrwi6 ]		Jul 18 09:46
MinceR	to be fair, their winblows support also sucks	Jul 18 09:47
MinceR	i've seen more powerful laptops than mine running it on winblows and struggling with smooth fullscreen video playback	Jul 18 09:47
MinceR	http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/debian/2010-08-28-windows-applications-making-grub2-unbootable.html	Jul 18 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chiark.greenend.org.uk \| Colin Watson [ http://ur1.ca/1cov4 ]		Jul 18 09:53
DaemonFC	http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/07/18/3461625/aids-experts-malaysian-plane/	Jul 18 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thinkprogress.org \| The Malaysian Plane Crash May Be A Major Blow To AIDS Research \| ThinkProgress		Jul 18 10:11
DaemonFC	Any bets on when the "because God" crowd makes an appearance?	Jul 18 10:14
MinceR	lol	Jul 18 10:17
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 18 10:22
DaemonFC	I've seen users who bought a Mac Pro to run Linux on[1], because trying to use OS X as UNIX is a real non-starter.	Jul 18 10:22
DaemonFC	One of them that I speak to regularly on IRC[2][3] just built a nice PC this time, because he didn't like the Trash Can Pro.	Jul 18 10:22
DaemonFC	[1] (Red Hat has enough paying customers in this configuration to officially support it. I feel sorry for whoever has to deal with the Mac issues)	Jul 18 10:22
DaemonFC	[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat	Jul 18 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Internet Relay Chat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hrwp9 ]		Jul 18 10:22
DaemonFC	[3] http://hexchat.github.io/	Jul 18 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hexchat.github.io \| Home – HexChat		Jul 18 10:22
DaemonFC	(from an Amazon post of mine)	Jul 18 10:22
DaemonFC	MinceR, I fear that the day is coming soon where I'm going to buy a new computer.	Jul 18 10:23
DaemonFC	If nothing else, because I can't put any more RAM into this one.	Jul 18 10:24
DaemonFC	So, I can either upgrade my computer or downgrade my software.	Jul 18 10:24
DaemonFC	Even downgrading my desktop environment to one of those little ones that drives me nuts will only buy time.	Jul 18 10:24
DaemonFC	The web is getting so bloated that some of my tabs are using 250 MB of RAM (Facebook!) or something close to that.	Jul 18 10:25
DaemonFC	One....fucking....tab. 250 MB of RAM. Fuck Fuck Fuck.	Jul 18 10:25
DaemonFC	Is this shit getting ridiculous yet>	Jul 18 10:25
DaemonFC	I remember when I had 256 MB of RAM in the whole computer and I though "Wow! What a badass system. Nothing I do will overrun 256 MB of RAM!".	Jul 18 10:26
MinceR	it's ridiculous	Jul 18 10:26
DaemonFC	Now, it's ONE Facebook tab.	Jul 18 10:26
MinceR	but don't use dumbFuckBook	Jul 18 10:26
MinceR	:>	Jul 18 10:26
DaemonFC	It's not just them.	Jul 18 10:27
MinceR	i'm considering a move to lightweight browsers for much of my browsing	Jul 18 10:27
DaemonFC	I've seen a tab with a simple web forum page loaded that was up over 180.	Jul 18 10:27
MinceR	(Links2, Linkx, Dillo)	Jul 18 10:27
DaemonFC	Yeah. "Modern" websites are obese.	Jul 18 10:27
MinceR	the modern web "standards" are part of the problem	Jul 18 10:27
DaemonFC	They don't actually add anything to the experience.	Jul 18 10:27
MinceR	way too complex	Jul 18 10:27
MinceR	conforming implementations can't help being extremely complex as a result	Jul 18 10:28
MinceR	this isn't exactly good for security either	Jul 18 10:28
DaemonFC	Yeah. When Apple forked KHTML and KJS it came in at about 150,000 lines of source code.	Jul 18 10:28
DaemonFC	Webkit is almost to 6 million lines now, I believe.	Jul 18 10:28
MinceR	and it still keeps crashing	Jul 18 10:28
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	Can you tell me anything that Apple has ever done to make computers better?	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	When they forked KHTML and KJS around 2003, it was 140,000 lines of source code.[1]	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	Now it's over 5,14 million.[2]	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	One browser tab that loaded Facebook in Safari will use about 250-300 MB of RAM. Your average Mac only has about 4 GB in the current offerings, but many have less than that. Tick, tock!	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	But, it's not like being able to upgrade your own RAM is important. rolls eyes Have fun destroying your Mac Mini or iMac in an attempt to do so, while you can, if Apple isn't soldering the modules in yet, like they do with the Macbook.[3]	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	[1] http://lists.kde.org/?m=104197092318639	Jul 18 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.kde.org \| '(fwd) Greetings from the Safari team at Apple Computer' - MARC		Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	Said Apple, "...When we were evaluating technologies over a year	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	ago, KHTML and KJS stood out. Not only were they the basis of an	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	excellent modern and standards compliant web browser, they were also	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	less than 140,000 lines of code. The size of your code and ease of	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	development within that code made it a better choice for us than other	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	open source projects."	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	[2] http://www.ohloh.net/p/WebKit	Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	[3] http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/13/teardown_of_retina_display_macbook_pro_finds_soldered_ram_propreitary_ssd	Jul 18 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ohloh.net \| The WebKit Open Source Project on Ohloh		Jul 18 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com \| Teardown of Retina MacBook Pro finds soldered RAM, proprietary SSD [ http://ur1.ca/hrwsb ]		Jul 18 10:37
DaemonFC	http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/05/glasshole-sh/	Jul 18 10:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org \| jwz: glasshole.sh [ http://ur1.ca/hrwth ]		Jul 18 10:43
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 18 10:43
DaemonFC	"Find and kick Google Glass devices from your local wireless network."	Jul 18 10:43
MinceR	find and kick crApple devices from your local wireless network.	Jul 18 10:53
DaemonFC	I modded my post about the Macs.	Jul 18 10:53
DaemonFC	"This is why the 2014 Mac Mini is generally worse than the PC I built in 2009, which I am typing this on. Also, the hard drive in the current $600 Mac Mini is still slower, the processor is slower, and the graphics chipset in the Mac Mini is horrendously underpowered compared to my Nvidia card. This goes along with the "Macs are a ripoff, no matter the model." maxim. They're targeting PC users who want to buy a Mac without taking out a	Jul 18 10:53
DaemonFC	second mortgage, but they're giving them a comically weak system that isn't even close to worth the money."	Jul 18 10:53
DaemonFC	"I could buy a new Mac, but what's the point of getting something slower than the five year old technology that I still use every day without any trouble, thanks partially to the incredible efficiency of Linux?	Jul 18 10:59
DaemonFC	At this rate, it's unclear if the Mac Mini's hardware will beat my 2009 PC before 2019 or so.	Jul 18 10:59
DaemonFC	They should have called the Mac Mini "Time Machine" because it takes you ten years back in time."	Jul 18 10:59
MinceR	lol	Jul 18 10:59
DaemonFC	http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/07/linus-torvalds-messy-desk-video	Jul 18 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk \| Linus Torvalds' Workspace Is Nothing Like I Imagined (Video) \| OMG! Ubuntu! [ http://ur1.ca/hrx4w ]		Jul 18 11:31
DaemonFC	MinceR, I edited my comment about Webkit.	Jul 18 12:01
DaemonFC	"That's 36.71 times bigger, for those who do not want to bust out the calculator. I don't think they made it 36.71 times more useful. In fact, with all this new garbage, comes more spam, security problems, ads, tracking garbage, and web page "artistes" that think that it's just ****ing dandy to have a page that takes 10 times as long to load. I'll tell you what I am 36.71 times more grateful for now than I was in 2003. Adblock, Privoxy, and	Jul 18 12:01
DaemonFC	NoScript."	Jul 18 12:01
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Sosumi	actually, the thing with safari	Jul 18 13:22
Sosumi	is that it breaks itself into multiple processes	Jul 18 13:23
Sosumi	each one managing to sometimes take up to 1gig of ram	Jul 18 13:23
Sosumi	depending also on the plugins that are being called	Jul 18 13:24
Sosumi	if it is flash, then good luck :)	Jul 18 13:24
Sosumi	flash sucks	Jul 18 13:24
Sosumi	but sucks even more on osx	Jul 18 13:24
abeNd-org	still needed though for some enterprise apps/sites that havent moved to html5 yet, & then you still have the silverlight required garbage :(	Jul 18 13:31
abeNd-org	im kinda surprised apple discontinued safari on windows though, just because of the #s of windows machines	Jul 18 13:31
Sosumi	lol no	Jul 18 13:42
Sosumi	apple discontinued safari on windows because they just couldn’t keep up with feauture parity on both OSs	Jul 18 13:43
Sosumi	so instead of making two bad browsers	Jul 18 13:43
DaemonFC	"I noticed that some sites seem to direct you to Flash unless they think you're using an iPad, so I have my browser set to lie to a few sites and say it's Safari on an iPad.	Jul 18 13:43
DaemonFC	I can't believe that Apple has us back in the 90s, spoofing our browsers to get sites to work again."	Jul 18 13:43
Sosumi	they opted for one less bad	Jul 18 13:43
Sosumi	yeah	Jul 18 13:44
Sosumi	spoof the browser to get html5 instead of flash	Jul 18 13:44
Sosumi	and let me tell you	Jul 18 13:46
Sosumi	4GB of ram on mac	Jul 18 13:46
Sosumi	even if all you do is browse the web, email and casual home stuff	Jul 18 13:47
Sosumi	it won’t be enough	Jul 18 13:47
Sosumi	for that sort of usage you need minimun 6 GB	Jul 18 13:47
DaemonFC	"Oh, and those sites that I have to lie to and say my browser is Safari on an iPad before they give me my HTML 5 video, instead of trying to load Flash and failing.	Jul 18 13:47
DaemonFC	I usually send the website owner an obscene email regarding his maternal lineage."	Jul 18 13:47
abeNd-org	at least some sites like youtube allow you to opt for html5 instead	Jul 18 13:48
Sosumi	it lets you opt	Jul 18 13:49
Sosumi	but if you’re using safari even on the mac	Jul 18 13:49
Sosumi	it uses html5 by fefault	Jul 18 13:49
Sosumi	if you don’t have flash	Jul 18 13:50
abeNd-org	yea, i wish i would do that on windows, say firefox without flash installed, so it doesnt bother you to install it	Jul 18 13:50
abeNd-org	because invariably some moron installs "flash player pro" when they google for flash & install tons of crapware	Jul 18 13:50
abeNd-org	then you have chrome & ie11 on win8x with flash included	Jul 18 13:51
Sosumi	vista 8 comes with flash by default	Jul 18 13:51
Sosumi	I’m actually surprised M$ didn’t include it also on server 2012	Jul 18 13:51
abeNd-org	what is vista 8? such a product doesnt exist	Jul 18 13:51
abeNd-org	Windows 8x yes, it includes flash with ie11	Jul 18 13:52
Sosumi	windows 8	Jul 18 13:52
Sosumi	is a derivate of vista	Jul 18 13:52
abeNd-org	meh, im past kiddie name calling like micro$oft & crapple	Jul 18 13:52
abeNd-org	no one takes you seriously like that	Jul 18 13:52
Sosumi	yada yada	Jul 18 13:54
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MinceR	who takes abeNd-org seriously?	Jul 18 14:50
abeNd-org	not my customers when i suggest opensource solutions for them	Jul 18 14:57
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Sosumi	windows is open source	Jul 18 15:23
Sosumi	http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/openness/default.aspx#home	Jul 18 15:26
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Sosumi	ok, you can laugh now	Jul 18 15:26
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Sosumi	also, you don’t need to pay for m$ products in order to get support	Jul 18 15:28
schestowitz	http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-17/how-russian-hackers-stole-the-nasdaq#p1	Jul 18 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessweek.com \| How Russian Hackers Stole the Nasdaq - Businessweek [ http://ur1.ca/hs01f ]		Jul 18 15:29
schestowitz	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/01/16/technical-paper-black-hole-2/	Jul 18 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com \| Technical paper: Deeper inside the Blackhole exploit kit \| Naked Security [ http://ur1.ca/hs01l ]		Jul 18 15:29
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2011/02/17/security-and-reliability-record/#comment-110478	Jul 18 15:29
schestowitz	http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/01/16/technical-paper-black-hole-2/	Jul 18 15:30
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Sosumi	apparently abeNd-org doesn’t know that companies that rely on free software make money by selling support	Jul 18 15:30
Sosumi	and specialized hardware	Jul 18 15:30
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 15:30
schestowitz	Microsoft mouthpiece uses an old Gnome2 screen and lack of details to vilify gnu/linux. Look at that screenshot! We are supposed to think the crackers used gnu/linux and that Nasdaq's gnu/linux servers were infested with "a mess of malware". An update has Nasdaq telling the Verge that there was no intrusion on the servers. If there was, details are important - Google got rid of Windows years ago because it was a weakness that allowed	Jul 18 15:30
schestowitz	compromise of other systems. Thanks to Snowden, now we know that Windows was intentionally weak and full of NSA back doors that government, private firms and crackers alike regularly abused.	Jul 18 15:30
schestowitz	The Bloomberg Businessweek [yes, that's a misleading name] article the Verge draws on is even worse. They cite problems Iran had with Microsoft software and Stuxnet without mentioning Windows to make people afraid of gnu/linux at Nasdaq. The Blackhole kit is mentioned to scare people but that too looks like the usual Windows exploiter that mostly uses "rogue" Apache modules. The "Director's Desk" intrusion is once again brought up, but	Jul 18 15:30
schestowitz	people at Techrights showed that was a Windows problem and that Microsoft blame was intentionally covered up at the time. The Nasdaq details are supposedly dangerous secrets that must not be told.	Jul 18 15:30
schestowitz	There is one thing of interest in the Bloomberg story, that a nebulous threat to stock exchanges is used as an excuse to spy on ordinary people,	Jul 18 15:30
schestowitz	In a speech last January, amid the scandal over the NSA’s collection of data on millions of Americans, Obama obliquely referred to the NSA’s ability to “intercept malware that targets a stock exchange” as one reason he opposed stripping the agency of its ability to intercept digital communications.	Jul 18 15:30
schestowitz	Back in 2010, most people would have said that a conspiracy by US military spies to weaken software was the purest of paranoid delusions. Yet it was so and now we see them using the results to gain even more power. Of course, none of these bad actors want people or businesses escaping to free software. They want "admins" to keep using Microsoft malware on their desktops and that compromises everything.	Jul 18 15:30
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 15:30
schestowitz	Sosumi: LOL, FOSSdows	Jul 18 15:31
Sosumi	summing it all up	Jul 18 15:33
Sosumi	windows is crap and costs money	Jul 18 15:33
abeNd-org	sosumi support companies do, but your average CPA firm doesnt do that sort of thing	Jul 18 15:35
abeNd-org	again, if there is no opensource alternative, there is no way for a company to take advantage of it. said company is not going to go through the expense of developing it inhouse when there is a windows version. especially when it comes to tax laws, there is no way an individual CPA firm can keep up with all the changes, but companies with products like lacerte & prosystems do	Jul 18 15:36
Sosumi	at least give examples	Jul 18 15:37
Sosumi	of that said windows software with no alternatives	Jul 18 15:37
Sosumi	if it CAD/CAM software	Jul 18 15:37
Sosumi	*is	Jul 18 15:38
Sosumi	then I understand	Jul 18 15:38
Sosumi	other than siemens NX which I personally use	Jul 18 15:38
Sosumi	there isn’t much out there	Jul 18 15:39
abeNd-org	the slew of financial & tax software from http://www.cchgroup.com/	Jul 18 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cchgroup.com \| Tax & Accounting Software \| Firms & Corporations \| Wolters Kluwer		Jul 18 15:39
abeNd-org	or Lacerte http://accountants.intuit.com/tax/lacerte/	Jul 18 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-accountants.intuit.com \| Discover Lacerte Tax Software for Professionals at Intuit Accountants [ http://ur1.ca/gkkct ]		Jul 18 15:39
abeNd-org	church management systems like http://www.shelbysystems.com/	Jul 18 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.shelbysystems.com \| Church Management Software \| Shelby Systems - Shelby Systems : Church Management Software		Jul 18 15:41
abeNd-org	SIP2 compatible library patron management systems like www.librarica.com (that work with SIP2 backends like evergreen which does have linux server/client components)	Jul 18 15:41
abeNd-org	ive got piles of other windows only client/server type products my customers use. sure some use linux for the simple things like file/print/dns/dhcp, but when it comes to the LoB app, more often than not there isnt even a linux version of it, & no the client nor server side would be supported by the vendor if you ran it in wine	Jul 18 15:44
MinceR	i can imagine how great those products can be if their authors thought it would be a good idea to run windows on a server	Jul 18 15:48
abeNd-org	show me a business viable alternative.....	Jul 18 15:49
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4423812	Jul 18 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Black box has not been recovered yet (why is it taking so long?), but Russian and Western media already "know" who to blame. Agenda at play.		Jul 18 17:11
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 17:11
schestowitz	So let me get this straight.	Jul 18 17:11
schestowitz	You're walking down the street and you see a gunfight. If you continue down your path, you will be caught in the crossfire.	Jul 18 17:11
schestowitz	But you do it anyway because a cop told you to?	Jul 18 17:11
schestowitz	Bullshit.	Jul 18 17:11
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 17:11
abeNd-org	oh im sure black box was recovered & disposed of already	Jul 18 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi 3D full-body scanner interview	Jul 18 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nNOGfWRUKf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0tv	Jul 18 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspberry Pi 3D full-body scanner interview \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships July Updates and Second Beta of	Jul 18 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	Applications and Platform 4.14	Jul 18 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hTuiKA1tla (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u4	Jul 18 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Ships July Updates and Second Beta of Applications and Platform 4.14 \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/37gTwQ57jn	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u5	Jul 18 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 6 Excellent Lightweight Linux Distros for x86	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	and ARM http://t.co/f8ldFbHILk	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u7	Jul 18 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 6 Excellent Lightweight Linux Distros for x86 and ARM \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OSCON 2014 – The Art of Tizen UI Theme	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	Technology in Various Profiles	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8AXUy5MaWJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u8	Jul 18 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OSCON 2014 – The Art of Tizen UI Theme Technology in Various Profiles \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KernelASan: Bringing Address Sanitizer To The	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel http://t.co/d4dpkflOro	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0u9	Jul 18 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KernelASan: Bringing Address Sanitizer To The Linux Kernel \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation SysAdmin Konstantin Ryabitsev,	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	an SELinux Expert http://t.co/C1pcCTakWv	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs0ua	Jul 18 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation SysAdmin Konstantin Ryabitsev, an SELinux Expert \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 17:25
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abeNd-org	http://www.datamation.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3893871_2/50-Open-Source-Replacements-for-Popular-Financial-Software.htm none of this looks like it could handle what prosystemfx does	Jul 18 17:56
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MinceR	gn	Jul 18 19:58
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/07/citing-lack-of-interest-lenovo-pulls-8-inch-windows-tablets-from-the-us/	Jul 18 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Citing lack of interest, Lenovo pulls 8-inch Windows tablets from the US \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/hs2ti ]		Jul 18 20:03
DaemonFC	"Microsoft's trouble in the small tablet market comes despite the fact that it's offering Windows for free on screens smaller than nine inches and the fact that Intel is selling many of its Bay Trail tablet chips at a loss to get the hardware into tablets in the first place."	Jul 18 20:07
DaemonFC	http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows-phone/24112/gartner-says-windows-phone-hit-10-market-share-2018-what-universe	Jul 18 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.computerworld.com \| Gartner says Windows Phone to hit 10% market share in 2018. In what universe is that? \| Computerworld Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/hs2w3 ]		Jul 18 20:19
DaemonFC	http://www.thestreet.com/story/12763746/1/microsoft-is-losing-market-share-it-cant-afford-to-lose.html	Jul 18 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestreet.com \| Microsoft Is Losing Market Share It Can't Afford To Lose - TheStreet [ http://ur1.ca/hs2wt ]		Jul 18 20:21
DaemonFC	Windows PC sales are still collapsing even though the death of XP has caused a "dead cat bounce" in sales.	Jul 18 20:24
DaemonFC	Some Microsoft-sponsored journalists are rushing to label the dead cat bounce as a "revival", even though the only thing that could even be considered a PC with major growth was the Chromebooks, which have increased their year over year sales by 250%.	Jul 18 20:24
DaemonFC	Windows Phone market share fell from 4.7% to 3.8% over the last year. A 20% decline. This came right after Microsoft fired all of the people from Nokia that were working on the Android-based phones. So much for giving people what they want.	Jul 18 20:24
DaemonFC	When will Microsoft learn that they can't throw their weight around in a market where they don't have any?	Jul 18 20:24
DaemonFC	http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows-phone/24112/gartner-says-windows-phone-hit-10-market-share-2018-what-universe	Jul 18 20:26
DaemonFC	"when you actually look at Gartner's numbers, no such revival can be found. In fact, Gartner projects that sales of traditional PCs (desktops and notebooks) will decline from 296 million in 2013 to 276 million in 2014, and then to under 262 million in 2015. How can a decline of 6.7% in 2014, and 5.3% in 2015 possibly be called a revival?"	Jul 18 20:26
DaemonFC	http://bgr.com/2014/07/01/windows-phone-market-share-3/	Jul 18 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| Windows Phone market share: Crash and burn \| BGR [ http://ur1.ca/hs2zs ]		Jul 18 20:28
DaemonFC	"The latest Kantar Worldpanel numbers for smartphone market share may not be surprising, but they are grim indeed for Microsoft. In the heart of the Windows empire in the United States, Windows Phone’s market share dropped from 4.7% to 3.6% between May 2013 and May 2014. In Germany, the decline was from 6.2% to 5.9%. In Brazil, the share remained flat at 5.5%. In China, Windows Phone saw a collapse from 3% to o.6%.	Jul 18 20:28
DaemonFC	This may seem like just another spring, a season among others. But look closer — we are in fact witnessing the final hope for any meaningful future for Windows Phone being snuffed out."	Jul 18 20:28
DaemonFC	http://wallstcheatsheet.com/technology/windows-8-1-may-not-be-the-answer-for-microsoft.html/?a=viewall	Jul 18 20:32
DaemonFC	"Many technology analysts have ripped Windows 8 as the lynchpin behind the historical collapse in personal computer sales and ultimate resignation of Steve Ballmer from his Microsoft CEO post. Detractors further derided Windows 8 as a misguided attempt to be all things to all people that actually ended up pleasing nobody. The Windows 8 interface was also somewhat infamous for jumbled tiles, awkward touch screen commands, and the lack of the	Jul 18 20:32
DaemonFC	classic Start Menu."	Jul 18 20:32
DaemonFC	"Successive reports out of research firm Gartner may confirm the idea the Microsoft lords over a shrinking PC empire. Gartner reported PC shipment tallies of 76.6 million units through the first calendar quarter of 2014. These results represented a 1.7 percent year-over-year decline between Q1 2013 and Q1 2014. Mikako Kitagawa, Gartner principal analyst, actually highlighted the end of XP support as easing the severity of the secular	Jul 18 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wallstcheatsheet.com \| Windows 8.1 May Not Be the Answer for Microsoft [ http://ur1.ca/hs30h ]		Jul 18 20:32
DaemonFC	decline in global PC shipments. The PC market has steadily deteriorated for eight straight quarters and has come off a 2013 that Gartner described as the "worst decline in history." The failure of Windows 8.1 to reinvigorate the PC market will obviously pose important ramifications for the long-term fortunes of Microsoft investors. Microsoft share prices have literally stalled out as dead money since 1999."	Jul 18 20:32
DaemonFC	Someone on Amazon wrote that they screwed up their iPhone.	Jul 18 21:17
DaemonFC	I replied...	Jul 18 21:17
DaemonFC	"Why would you even need to jailbreak a phone?	Jul 18 21:17
DaemonFC	Android lets you choose what software to run.	Jul 18 21:17
DaemonFC	Why risk screwing up an iPhone to make it useful? I don't get the long term gain here.	Jul 18 21:17
DaemonFC	Leave the iPhone where it belongs next time. On the shelf.	Jul 18 21:17
DaemonFC	I know better than to allow some company to control my computer like that. If Google removes an app from the Play Store, I'll just get it somewhere else. With Apple, there's nowhere else to go.	Jul 18 21:17
DaemonFC	It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Apple doesn't necessarily have your best interests in mind in their app store censorship decisions.	Jul 18 21:17
DaemonFC	And they do censor apps for all kinds of reasons."	Jul 18 21:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FOSS & the IRS: Now We're Talking	Jul 18 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mJQDab9Ahs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 18 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs3ay	Jul 18 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FOSS & the IRS: Now We're Talking \| Tux Machines		Jul 18 21:43
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 18 21:54
DaemonFC	http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/07/18/3-ios-7-cydia-tweaks-to-improve-siri/	Jul 18 21:54
DaemonFC	Apparently, they even let you dig in there and twiddle Siri's bits.	Jul 18 21:54
DaemonFC	Maybe they can stop her from saying "I'm sorry. I didn't understand that!" so often.	Jul 18 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com \| 3 iOS 7 Cydia Tweaks to Improve Siri [ http://ur1.ca/hs3cx ]		Jul 18 21:54
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4420493	Jul 18 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Malaysia Airlines: We've lost contact with plane" http://us.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/ why is it assumed to have been shot down without evidence (yet)?		Jul 18 23:25
schestowitz	"And what a wonder , the bastard who boasted around the internet about bringing downthe plane , was a serbian volunteer Iin bosnia . Fuckers ."	Jul 18 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> us.cnn.com \| U.S. official: Missile hit Malaysia Airlines plane - CNN.com		Jul 18 23:25
schestowitz	"Cronos , the missile that brought the plane down has video guidance , so the operator can actually see the plane as the missile gets to it . Strelkov , of whom I wrote in the lsst post , boosted they shot down the plane . Now , any trained soldier would know the difference between army aircraft and a civil airliner , but if you give dangerous weapons to fuckin mercenaries whi don't give a fuck about people's lives and can't tell the	Jul 18 23:27
schestowitz	difference between army and civilian targets , this is what you get . But what pisses me the most is that we have literate , smart people who can think for themselves , taking part of a fascist , evil russian empire , just because fuckin obama suports ukrainian cause . All empires are evil , be it british , amerikan or russian . Putin is a danger to the whole world , a fanatic raised in soviet union willing to destroy destinies of	Jul 18 23:27
schestowitz	milions just to see the russian empire all the way to finland . Soviets were no better than the nazis , just ask anyone in poland about the masacres they did there just about the s ame time hitler did .And now this crazy war-mongering putin decided he will rize that evil rusian empire again , and you are all concerned about russian minority in doneck . You call those bandits from russia who are raping ukraine 'rebels' . Not a single	Jul 18 23:27
schestowitz	voice about ukrainians in ukraine , nobody bothers to ask what happens when brave 'rebels' take ukraininan villages . Well , I can tell you from my own expirience what happens with villages that strelkov (donbas republic minister of defence) and his camarades take ; they burn , they raoe , they kill . Seen his work in bosnia , and it's ugly . Serbs even have a movie about these 'rebels' , it's called "pretty villages burn pretty" .	Jul 18 23:27
schestowitz	Stop supporting imperialistic motherfuckers , or one of these days , you'll wake up with the sound of their guns at your doorstep ."	Jul 18 23:27
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 23:27
schestowitz	OK, according with this article the rebels might have downed that plane. Did they downed a civilian airliner on purpose? The article does not say that, it seems they believed they hit a military airplane.	Jul 18 23:27
schestowitz	What is the alternative? Let Kiev bomb them until all die? Why is Kiev using air strikes on civilian places? Do you think Kiev believes their air strikes kill only rebels? Why Kiev first sent bombers and then allowed air traffic over East Ukraine?	Jul 18 23:27
schestowitz	It's not like separatists were advancing towards Kiev, was Kiev the one that decided shelling and bombing East Ukraine would be a good way to liberate those poor people. Putin never accepted those provinces to join Russia.	Jul 18 23:28
schestowitz	Also, the separatists have been allowing OSCE observers in their territories, do you think that if they were committing atrocities the OSCE would not notice or say something?	Jul 18 23:28
schestowitz	"	Jul 18 23:28
schestowitz	"We had osce in vukovar , go google how much it helped . Strelkov's buddies killed 500 people from the hospital . Those same people proudly fight in donbas now , cetniks . Strelkov boosts with them . Bosniaks had osce and un armed forces in srebrenica , yet 8,9 thousand were slaugtered . Mayve you should stop listening to russia today and marxsist sites , and inform yourself how donbas leaders speak of russian empire they are building .	Jul 18 23:28
schestowitz	'	Jul 18 23:28
schestowitz	"I'll search information about what you say, you might be right and hearing all the parties is the right thing to do."	Jul 18 23:28
schestowitz	"I know you're nordic , only I didn't figure out which of the countries . But consider that putin's "greater russia" includes finland . Think twice how would having a war with russia in your neighbourghood affect you . Putin will not stop ; chechenia , georgia , now ukraine . If he suceedes , finland might be next . And then what ? Russians are as dangerous as amerika , only more brutal . And if the rest of the world supports marxist	Jul 18 23:29
schestowitz	idea of greater nations consuming small ones, we have a century of war ahead . Everyone will look into neighbouring country and say , oh , there are people there that speak our language , let's invade . The world finally sees british empire shrink , and now the russian empire will rise ?"	Jul 18 23:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4423818	Jul 18 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Planes Avoid Ukraine After Malaysia Airlines Incident http://reason.com/24-7/2014/07/17/planes-avoid-ukraine-after-malaysia-airl many avoided it even beforehand		Jul 18 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> reason.com \| Planes Avoid Ukraine After Malaysia Airlines Incident - Reason 24/7 : Reason.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs4ww ]		Jul 18 23:29
schestowitz	"That is common sense, if commercial airlines avoid flying above Afghanistan why did they keep flying above Ukraine?"	Jul 18 23:30
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4423812	Jul 18 23:31
schestowitz	"I know who I blame: The pilots for flying through a war zone."	Jul 18 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Black box has not been recovered yet (why is it taking so long?), but Russian and Western media already "know" who to blame. Agenda at play.		Jul 18 23:31
schestowitz	"Hey asshole. Are you seriously blaming the victims? http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jul/18/mh17-recording-russian-colonel-rebels-discuss-disaster-video"	Jul 18 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| MH17: recording shows Russian colonel and rebels 'discussing disaster' – video \| World news \| theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs4x4 ]		Jul 18 23:31
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schestowitz	Yes, some of them. The ones who were in control of the plane and who knowingly flew through a war zone.	Jul 18 23:32
schestowitz	Absolutely.	Jul 18 23:32
schestowitz	That's right up there on the list of stupid things to do.	Jul 18 23:32
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schestowitz	"I agree, why companies think that flying through a war zone is a good idea? Do they read news? Would it be possible that flying above East Ukraine is cheaper that going around?"	Jul 18 23:32
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schestowitz	Assigning blame to the wrong parties is stupid. Can you all not read why airlines choose to fly over those routes? It's because they rely on an agency called the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) to determine which flights are safe.	Jul 18 23:32
schestowitz	http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/ukraine-authority-instructed-mh17-to-fly-at-33000ft-says-mas	Jul 18 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| Ukrainians instructed MH17 to fly at 10,000m, says MAS - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs4xd ]		Jul 18 23:32
schestowitz	So if you want to blame someone, first blame the morons who pulled the trigger, then the ICAO for failing to assign a higher risk level to the route.	Jul 18 23:32
schestowitz	Or is your solution for airline pilots to unilaterally decide to take a detour through their own perceived safe route while browsing Wikipedia?	Jul 18 23:32
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schestowitz	Here's more that's lacking from your assertions to blame the victims, more evidence. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysia-was-not-informed-that-flight-route-was-unsafe-says-transport-minis	Jul 18 23:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| No one declared MH17 flight path unsafe, says Liow - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs4xf ]		Jul 18 23:33
schestowitz	If no one tells you a bridge is unsafe, and it collapses when you cross it, are you going to blame yourself or the regulatory authorities?	Jul 18 23:33
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schestowitz	OK, the first article says that the company requested to flight higher so it shows concern, but I still think that deciding to fly over East Ukraine was a bad idea and I would expect those companies to know more, after all they carry passengers for profit. The second article supports the idea that the company did nothing irregular, illegal or uncommon, but following regulations is not the same as doing the right thing.	Jul 18 23:33
schestowitz	So who were the ones that authorized flying there? The Ukrainian government and European air traffic control body, and I think that saying that Kiev had no idea that might happen is nonsense.	Jul 18 23:33
schestowitz	Now the interesting part: why did the Ukrainian government and European air traffic control body authorized to fly there? Was it on purpose? And supposing that rebels shot down the airliner, why would they to that? Might be it on purpose?	Jul 18 23:34
schestowitz	I would not ask to think about Kiev shutting down the plane, it that were the case it would be very clear why.	Jul 18 23:34
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schestowitz	So let me get this straight.	Jul 18 23:34
schestowitz	You're walking down the street and you see a gunfight. If you continue down your path, you will be caught in the crossfire.	Jul 18 23:34
schestowitz	But you do it anyway because a cop told you to?	Jul 18 23:34
schestowitz	Bullshit.	Jul 18 23:34
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schestowitz	@mirko zlojic posted the following article in other thread:	Jul 18 23:34
schestowitz	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696389/That-blast-look-smoke-Sick-boast-laughing-rebels-saw-MH17-hit-missile-hours-leader-boasted-We-warned-not-fly-sky.html	Jul 18 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk \| 'That was a blast - look at the smoke': Sick boast of the laughing rebels as they 'saw MH17 hit by missile' - hours after leader boasted: 'We warned you - do not fly in our sky' \| Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/hrv2n ]		Jul 18 23:35
schestowitz	So it might be that rebels shot down that airplane, but nothing in the article backs the idea of rebels downing the airliner knowing it was civilian.	Jul 18 23:35
schestowitz	I see it this way:	Jul 18 23:35
schestowitz	Kiev bombs East Ukraine without need. Kiev allows air traffic over East Ukraine, and the lower the better. And just to be sure, Kiev makes some military aircraft look harmless disguising them as UN aircraft. Sooner or later this was going to happen.	Jul 18 23:35
schestowitz	And as I see it, this is all about not caring: Europe and the US were horrified about the supposed snipers of previous Ukraine president, but said nothing when right-wing militants burned people to death in a Trade Union Hall in Ukraine’s Odessa, did not care when Kiev cut electricity and water to East Ukraine, and gave a fuck when Kiev shelled and bombed it.	Jul 18 23:35
schestowitz	Had Europe and US really cared they would had pressed Kiev for a diplomatic solution to this, but that did not happened and now people is indignant because rebels do not choose carefully targets flying ten kilometers up.	Jul 18 23:35
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schestowitz	@David. Then that's some pretty lousy law enforcement going on. Malaysian Airlines had no idea the rebels would have SAMs. Who the hell would be able to bring down a commercial liner flying at 33,000 ft?	Jul 18 23:35
schestowitz	It's more like you are in a commercial flight flying above people with guns shooting at each other and any attempts at the blip in the sky is likely to fall far short.	Jul 18 23:35
schestowitz	So yeah, I call bullshit on your bullshit.	Jul 18 23:35
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schestowitz	@Cronos.	Jul 18 23:36
schestowitz	The second article supports the idea that the company did nothing irregular, illegal or uncommon, but following regulations is not the same as doing the right thing.	Jul 18 23:36
schestowitz	You are moving the goalpost in this debate. Yeah, it would be far safer if planes only took routes with zero-risks like not flying at all. Running a business also means balancing risk management, trust, and cost in return for profit.	Jul 18 23:36
schestowitz	And at this point, I don't think any neutral party gives a shit any more about intent, which to take a quote from feminism, intent isn't magic. They shot down students, AIDS researchers, family returning to their home for the first time in 3 years. I was neutral before in this whole Ukrainian-Russian-Rebel fiasco. Now I know where I stand.	Jul 18 23:36
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schestowitz	Actually a more appropriate criticism of my counterargument might be that when you're walking down the street you aren't doing so with something 300 human lives on the line.	Jul 18 23:36
schestowitz	That changes the stakes considerably. You can take chances with your own life that you can't take when others' lives are on the line.	Jul 18 23:36
schestowitz	Regardless of the desensitization we experience with endless war.	Jul 18 23:36
schestowitz	It was absolutely reckless to fly that plane in that airspace. And I don't really care what civil authorities you point your finger at: They aren't the ones on the scene. They aren't the ones risking their lives. If you are in control of that airplane, you are ultimately responsible.	Jul 18 23:37
schestowitz	No matter who tells you to do it. Because even if you don't think the rebels have SAMs, you know the government forces do, and the latter are at least half-way expecting a Russian invasion. In a war zone, you trust no one, least of all combatants.	Jul 18 23:37
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schestowitz	And as I previously stated, you have to trust someone at some point. No one in Malaysia is even remotely aware of SAMs being used in the Ukraine. And basing business decisions on the possibility of the Ukrainian government mistakenly shooting down a commercial plane is as likely as that of expecting America to down one just because it came from Iraq.	Jul 18 23:37
schestowitz	If you want to run a business on zero trust and doing it your own way when there is already an agency all airlines pool their information into for guidance, go right ahead. But very soon you will be driven out of business by better competitors.	Jul 18 23:37
schestowitz	Yes the risk does differ when you have other lives to consider. But when the risks are so remote that they aren't even considered, companies are going to make the economic decision to stay viable.	Jul 18 23:37
schestowitz	Plus hnidsight is always 20-20.	Jul 18 23:37
schestowitz	I didn't see anyone spewing the "I told you so" rhetoric of flying commercial liners over Ukraine until now.	Jul 18 23:37
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schestowitz	@Rewarp, you're denying common sense.	Jul 18 23:37
schestowitz	And I'm not one to appeal to common sense much. In most cases, it's a pretty slippery concept.	Jul 18 23:37
schestowitz	But the expectation that one can fly through a war zone safely is nonsensical. And the reason I wasn't talking about it is that I assumed no one would be this stupid.	Jul 18 23:37
schestowitz	Obviously I overestimated their intelligence. But stupidity is not an excuse.	Jul 18 23:37
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schestowitz	And as for trusting no one, I didn't say run a business trusting no one.	Jul 18 23:38
schestowitz	I said trust no one in a war zone.	Jul 18 23:38
schestowitz	Though arguably, the economy is a war zone (and I'm one of the casualties).	Jul 18 23:38
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schestowitz	@Rewarp Talking about the company, would you fly with them if you had other options? The company might not have done anything wrong, but this is the second plane they lose and saying that they followed regulations does not make me feel more secure.	Jul 18 23:38
schestowitz	And about your standing it would be interesting to know why. I think everybody remembers this:	Jul 18 23:38
schestowitz	http://rt.com/news/156480-odessa-fire-protesters-dead/	Jul 18 23:38
schestowitz	Someone might argue that the rebels downed the airplane believing they would be bombed otherwise. At ten kilometers of distance.	Jul 18 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rt.com \| 39 people die after radicals set Trade Unions House on fire in Ukraine's Odessa — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/hs515 ]		Jul 18 23:39
schestowitz	Do you think that pro-Kiev radicals burnt Odessa people alive because if not they would be killed instead? And what about clubbing the survivors to death, do you think that was by mistake? What did Europe and the US do about that?	Jul 18 23:39
schestowitz	Do you think that being burnt alive or clubbed to death was more merciful than dying in a plane crash? This seems to me as logical as saying that you were neutral in the Palestine-Israel conflict until Hamas rockets killed an Israeli.	Jul 18 23:39
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schestowitz	I'm pretty sure airlines can go around conflict zones, one time I flew from the UK to India and the airplane avoided Afghanistan. I had no idea that civilian airplanes were flying over East Ukraine, airplanes avoid flying above Fukushima even if the risk of radiation is low.	Jul 18 23:39
schestowitz	Again: Why the Ukrainian government and the European air traffic control body allowed those flights? Was it on purpose?	Jul 18 23:39
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schestowitz	@David. I think we are done here. You believe no matter what airlines should always avoid warzones despite no information from corporate intelligence agencies of the risks of actual SAMs. I believe those intelligence agencies are solely to blame because airlines employ such companies for the very reason of deciding which routes are safe and viable.	Jul 18 23:40
schestowitz	@Cronos. MH370 was lost entirely due to the incompetence of the Malaysian government and Malaysian airlines. This flight was lost out of sheer bad luck. Thai Airways, India Air, China Eastern Airways, and Air China could easily have been the victims as well.	Jul 18 23:40
schestowitz	http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/world/article/why-were-commercial-planes-still-flying-over-ukraine	Jul 18 23:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| Why were commercial planes still flying over Ukraine? - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs51l ]		Jul 18 23:40
schestowitz	And of course I am horrified by the killing of any person. But as someone who had no idea what was going on in the ground until this conflict brought it home (yeah, I am Malaysian, and we just lost a plane to a group of rebels whom I last read were happy about having shot it down with glee), I could not do anything but be an absolute neutral in the Ukrainian-Russian-Rebels conflict.	Jul 18 23:40
schestowitz	Plus Israel commits warcrimes, and I have never been neutral on that issue since I started reading about it and researching it thoroughly a decade ago.	Jul 18 23:40
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schestowitz	@Cronos.	Jul 18 23:40
schestowitz	Indeed. That's my question too. Why the hell didn't anyone tell Malaysian airlines the routes were unsafe?	Jul 18 23:40
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schestowitz	Interesting questions:	Jul 18 23:40
schestowitz	http://rt.com/news/173976-mh17-crash-questions-ukraine/	Jul 18 23:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rt.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/hs51o ]		Jul 18 23:40
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schestowitz	"Fuck RT. Why are the rebels stopping the international investigators from entering? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/mh17-crash-pro-russia-rebels-block-access-ukraine"	Jul 18 23:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| MH17: rebels block access to part of site of crash as evidence against them grows \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/hs51p ]		Jul 18 23:40
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schestowitz	@Rewarp I had no idea you were Malaysian; it's not like downing a plane, even by mistake, were irrelevant. I'm Latin American and people might think that what is happening in Ukraine, Syria, Palestine and all those places is not related to us. And it might be true. Until one way or the other people not related becomes affected and directly involved, but by that time it's too late to think what might have done to avoid it.	Jul 18 23:41
schestowitz	It's not funny seeing how people always find a good reason to kill others and nobody does something that helps even a little besides whining in the Internet or with friends. I deem important to know the thruth and why things happen, but sometimes I wish I do not.	Jul 18 23:41
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schestowitz	Here we go. If these are the actions of the rebels, they may as well spray paint a middle finger on their heads right now to everyone who just wants to find out the truth.	Jul 18 23:41
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/separatist-links-malaysia-airlines-mh17-removed	Jul 18 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Cover-up: Ukraine rebels destroying all links to MH17 air atrocity \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/hs51t ]		Jul 18 23:41
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schestowitz	ussia is asking an international comission for this. If it's true that rebels did not shut down the plane, do you think they will hand over to Kiev the only proof of that?	Jul 18 23:41
schestowitz	And talking about that, is it possible to know if a plane was downed with a missile with the black box?	Jul 18 23:41
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schestowitz	Russia is posturing. It's obvious for all to see. And I don't see how a bunch of international investigators from the Netherlands and Malaysia can be misidentified as Ukrainian officials.	Jul 18 23:42
schestowitz	Heck, Malaysians are already waking up to the news of this latest affront while the bodies of passengers on our plane are bloating up and rotting away.	Jul 18 23:42
schestowitz	http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/drunk-gunmen-deny-monitors-access-to-mh17-site	Jul 18 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themalaysianinsider.com \| ‘Drunk’ gunmen deny monitors access to MH17 site - The Malaysian Insider [ http://ur1.ca/hs523 ]		Jul 18 23:42
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schestowitz	Al Jazeera says something different:	Jul 18 23:42
schestowitz	http://m.aljazeera.com/story/201471851244142391	Jul 18 23:42
schestowitz	Can you see why an international comission is needed?	Jul 18 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-m.aljazeera.com \| Ukraine rebels pledge truce for jet recovery - Al Jazeera English [ http://ur1.ca/hs524 ]		Jul 18 23:42
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schestowitz	What does it say differently? It's from 11 hours ago and it says Ukrainian investigators have been barred from investigating. The OCSE and Malaysian officials are already in Ukraine and they have been barred from entering.	Jul 18 23:42
schestowitz	If that doesn't qualify as international, what does?.	Jul 18 23:42
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schestowitz	"What about Russian and Chinese representatives? Russia is the one being blamed and China might be more neutral than Europe has been."	Jul 18 23:42
schestowitz	"Do you think we Malaysians give a shit? We already have our own investigators on the field, and if it's true it isn't the rebels who fired the missiles, we will know how to assign blame. But if those rebels are barring our people from the investigation site after promising secure and unfettered access, what are we suppose to make of it? Benefit of the doubt only goes so far."	Jul 18 23:43
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, Plan to link to those articles describing Windows Phone going down in flames?	Jul 19 01:16
DaemonFC	Or should we start calling it Zune Phone yet?	Jul 19 01:16
DaemonFC	I wonder if MinceR saw the part 3 video of "If Google was a guy.".	Jul 19 01:21
DaemonFC	They took a couple of really funny shots at the iPhone.	Jul 19 01:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Six Clicks: More Linux single-board computers	Jul 19 02:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rkJyRjKIq9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 02:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs67r	Jul 19 02:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Six Clicks: More Linux single-board computers \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 02:54
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Sosumi	well I think that today after the Snowden confirmations	Jul 19 02:59
Sosumi	ppl have got more than enough reasons to demand software to made available on gnu/linux	Jul 19 02:59
Sosumi	now I have no idea how that accounting software compares, to say, gnucash	Jul 19 03:00
Sosumi	but nowadays there is really no excuse at all no not support “officially” as vendors like to put it	Jul 19 03:01
Sosumi	red hat based distros and ubuntu	Jul 19 03:01
DaemonFC	Apparently, the GNOME Foundation spent too much money on the outreach program to women, and now has no cash reserves.	Jul 19 03:16
DaemonFC	I thought it was another Linsux joke when I saw that the other day, so I clicked through and they turned out to be telling the truth.	Jul 19 03:16
DaemonFC	I don't know why open source software projects are freaking out that there's not all that many women contributing to the project. This is the 21st century. Women have the same shot at these jobs. Is it really imperative to spend money on an outreach program? Should the money be used for that or to develop code?	Jul 19 03:17
Sosumi	dumb dumb and dumb	Jul 19 03:33
Sosumi	if women want something to do with a project	Jul 19 03:33
Sosumi	they’ll join it by their own initiative	Jul 19 03:34
Sosumi	no need for dumb pr	Jul 19 03:34
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DaemonFC	http://www.firsttube.com/read/why-you-probably-should-not-buy-a-zune/	Jul 19 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.firsttube.com \| Why You Probably Should NOT Buy a Zune \| firsttube.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs81e ]		Jul 19 05:03
DaemonFC	Apparently, even if you copy non-DRM files onto a Zune, it won't let you upload them back out to a computer.	Jul 19 05:03
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 19 05:03
DaemonFC	I never knew that.	Jul 19 05:03
DaemonFC	"Did I mention that the RIAA gets a cut of every Zune sold, because the chairman of Universal says that if you buy one of these devices, you’re obviously a thief who downloads music illegally? Well, [[http://billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003380831\|it happened]]. Microsoft must acknowledge that people who use portable music players are thieves, because they are cutting in the music companies on the sale o	Jul 19 05:05
DaemonFC	f the HARDWARE. Explain that one!"	Jul 19 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.billboard.com \| Music News - Breaking Music Articles & Videos - Page 1 \| Billboard [ http://ur1.ca/hs81w ]		Jul 19 05:05
DaemonFC	Wow....	Jul 19 05:05
Sosumi	neither the ipod allows you to do that	Jul 19 05:39
Sosumi	only creative players did	Jul 19 05:39
Sosumi	and MD	Jul 19 05:39
Sosumi	or at least the one I had allowed me to do that	Jul 19 05:39
DaemonFC	http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/557bbfcd1942a7161312f0600edd4c176d181d20?diff=lib%2Flibssl%2Fsrc%2Fdoc%2Fcrypto%2FDES_set_key.pod	Jul 19 05:40
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DaemonFC	http://torrentfreak.com/chrome-blocks-utorrent-as-malicious-and-harmful-software-140716/	Jul 19 06:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| Chrome Blocks uTorrent as Malicious and Harmful Software \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hs8io ]		Jul 19 06:59
DaemonFC	Google is being evil again.	Jul 19 06:59
DaemonFC	http://torrentfreak.com/dotcoms-mega-plans-179m-public-listing-via-reverse-takeover-140325/	Jul 19 07:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| Dotcom's Mega Plans $179m Public Listing Via Reverse Takeover \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/hs8ix ]		Jul 19 07:01
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 19 07:01
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490458601790910464	Jul 19 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Speaking of lazy MSM I'm still waiting to hear about Russia's oil deal with Cuba.....doubt that's going to be reported.		Jul 19 07:32
Guest66954	or even the debt writeoff	Jul 19 07:32
Guest66954	http://www.ibtimes.co.in/8-facts-about-nelson-mandela-you-probably-did-not-know-604793	Jul 19 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in \| 8 Facts about Nelson Mandela You Probably Did not Know [ http://ur1.ca/hs8ol ]		Jul 19 07:40
Guest66954	"Conspiracy theorists say that the police were tipped off by a CIA agent."	Jul 19 07:40
Guest66954	Wasn't this a known fact?	Jul 19 07:41
Guest66954	That they played a role in his arrest?	Jul 19 07:41
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/sumitshresth/status/490461690903805952	Jul 19 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sumitshresth: @schestowitz : yeah but their bad luck that they shot down a passenger plane belonging to a neutral country		Jul 19 07:43
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490461379187707904	Jul 19 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz 32 Billion vanishes and MSM don't notice, or fail to report. Can kinda understand how a banking crisis happened.		Jul 19 07:43
Guest66954	The news was covered in some Latin Amercian and Russian media (in English), I saw it nowhere else	Jul 19 07:43
Guest66954	https://t.co/94d9cfHBMY	Jul 19 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://joindiaspora.com/p/4428697 )		Jul 19 07:54
Guest66954	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4428697	Jul 19 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #UK Foreign Office Reverses Course On #CIA Rendition Files 'Lost' To Water Damage: Papers Have Now 'Dried Out' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140716/10263727898/uk-foreign-office-reverses-course-cia-rendition-files-lost-to-water-damage-papers-have-now-dried-out.shtml LOL!!!		Jul 19 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| UK Foreign Office Reverses Course On CIA Rendition Files 'Lost' To Water Damage: Papers Have Now 'Dried Out' \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/hs8qn ]		Jul 19 07:55
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490465144871616512	Jul 19 07:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I spotted on RT, but normally it takes a week or two before someone at work goes "ohh I just saw ....on news".		Jul 19 07:57
Guest66954	http://live.wsj.com/video/ukraine-president-terrorist-act-downed-flight-mh17/80E31CC3-8219-47BD-A02D-F773238498A4.html#!80E31CC3-8219-47BD-A02D-F773238498A4	Jul 19 07:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-live.wsj.com \| Video - Ukraine President: 'Terrorist Act' Downed Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 - WSJ.com [ http://ur1.ca/hs8ri ]		Jul 19 07:59
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490465819684392960	Jul 19 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Home office actually did it's own investigation into UK torture claims. I get the impression the info was destroyed pre-invest		Jul 19 08:02
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/490468727155339264	Jul 19 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Good time to bury bad news,Labour government style.		Jul 19 08:11
Guest66954	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/490469161899151360	Jul 19 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz spot on. whose terrorist/freedom fighters? Nelson Mandela called terrorist by Thatcher & Reagan & on US no fly lists July 2008		Jul 19 08:14
MinceR	geekings	Jul 19 10:01
MinceR	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8259609088/hD9123D3D/	Jul 19 10:50
MinceR	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8257383424/hDA3F1858/	Jul 19 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Slackware's 21st, Post-Open Source, and Six	Jul 19 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	Lightweights http://t.co/n1QRlA0PJI	Jul 19 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hs9r4	Jul 19 11:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Slackware's 21st, Post-Open Source, and Six Lightweights \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 11:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon - The ultimate Windows 7	Jul 19 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	replacement http://t.co/udmHgSNKNu	Jul 19 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsaoi	Jul 19 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon - The ultimate Windows 7 replacement \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CyanogenMod working on Google Now competitor?	Jul 19 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZZZmJjQ6RA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsaoj	Jul 19 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CyanogenMod working on Google Now competitor? \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 14:10
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	Oh, also, there's a new program coming called Android Silver.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	If you want the best Android experience, look for manufacturers with Android Silver certification.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	Google has strict requirements on the participating manufacturers. In exchange, Google gives them some money for each Android Silver-compliant phone they sell.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	There will also be a new lineup of very affordable unlocked phones that still give a relatively good experience.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	http://www.mobot.net/android-phone-landing-october-69378	Jul 19 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mobot.net \| First Android One phone landing in October? \| News Articles \| Mobot.net [ http://ur1.ca/hsash ]		Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	<snip>	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	While Android Silver will see Google working closely with its best mates at the high end of the spectrum, the aim of Android One is to make a decent phone that's truly affordable for every Tom, Dick, Harry, Sanjay, Raj and Mukul across the world.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	The first Android One phone will be produced by Micromax, costing as little as $100, with specs including a 4.5in display, dual-SIM slot, SD compatibility, and FM radio for all the latest pop group hits.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	</snip	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/android-silver-everything-you-need-to-know-1246714	Jul 19 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com \| Android Silver: everything you need to know \| News \| TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/hsasi ]		Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	<snip>	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	Silver is a bit like a more advanced Nexus programme, but instead of working with one manufacturer on one device, Google will work with multiple firms on multiple devices.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	Google supposedly wants to help manufacturers to deliver a premium Android experience, so participating firms will get help from Google with their development and marketing costs, and their devices will get preferential treatment when it comes to software updates.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	....	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	It should mean a wider choice of high-end Android devices at reasonable prices, and those devices will be free from the bloatware, unwanted apps and over-the-top customisation that plagues some firms' handsets.	Jul 19 14:27
MinceR	nexus could be more advanced	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	That's because participating firms will have to agree not to mess around with stock Android in much the same way Microsoft's Signature programme banished bloatware from participating PCs.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	The devices must "closely adhere to Google specifications" and will "sharply limit the number of non-Google apps that can be pre-installed on devices" or ensure that phone owners will be able to uninstall them.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	It also means that you'll be able to buy handsets without wondering if you're getting the most up to date version of Android or whether the firm will bother supplying Android updates after a few months.	Jul 19 14:27
MinceR	to the point where they don't leave out stuff like microsd card slots	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	</snip>	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	I do believe it's clear who the Android One's target is.	Jul 19 14:27
DaemonFC	Say "Hasta la Vista" to Windows Phoney.	Jul 19 14:28
MinceR	and don't add stupid restrictions that most OEMs patch out anyway	Jul 19 14:28
*TweetTuxMachines @Geekkritik retweeted @tuxmachines: 'CyanogenMod working on Google Now competitor? http://t.co/ZZZmJjQ6RA'		Jul 19 14:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CyanogenMod working on Google Now competitor? \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 14:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Update 123 Fixes Multiple Reboots, The	Jul 19 14:28
TweetTuxMachines	Compositor http://t.co/drxxbzTuzH	Jul 19 14:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 14:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsasv	Jul 19 14:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SteamOS Update 123 Fixes Multiple Reboots, The Compositor \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 14:28
DaemonFC	Google does seem to be pretty good about salting the Earth of Microsoft before they get into new markets.	Jul 19 14:37
DaemonFC	They just handed Firefox a billion dollars to keep Microsoft out and now they're going to pay Android phone makers to push a decent $100 Android phone.	Jul 19 14:38
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Sosumi	so? no more nexus phones?	Jul 19 15:42
MinceR	android authority said there will be more nexus devices	Jul 19 15:43
Sosumi	cool then	Jul 19 15:43
MinceR	silver seems more like the new name of google play edition	Jul 19 15:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GCC Code Gets Updated For Go 1.3 Language	Jul 19 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0nRZGzU2Tb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsbo7	Jul 19 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GCC Code Gets Updated For Go 1.3 Language \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MicroXwin Creators Have A PC That Runs Debian &	Jul 19 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	Android Together http://t.co/5g2pvOaTOY	Jul 19 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsbog	Jul 19 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MicroXwin Creators Have A PC That Runs Debian & Android Together \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Musing: Microsoft to offer its software on	Jul 19 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	Linux – A theoretical consideration.	Jul 19 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uZSSgqFZ9U (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsboj	Jul 19 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Musing: Microsoft to offer its software on Linux – A theoretical consideration. \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 15:45
Sosumi	literally they already do	Jul 19 15:51
Sosumi	doesn’t office 365 also run on gnu/linux?	Jul 19 15:51
Sosumi	it run inside the browser	Jul 19 15:52
Sosumi	*runs	Jul 19 15:53
Sosumi	plus didn’t m$ want everyone to move to a software as service type of thing	Jul 19 15:53
Sosumi	by restricting office to just one machine and jacking the prices up	Jul 19 15:54
Sosumi	so everyone would move into 365	Jul 19 15:54
Sosumi	and even if they did come with a linux version	Jul 19 15:56
Sosumi	it wouldn’t be the same as the windows version	Jul 19 15:56
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Sosumi	just a feature stripped version like the one they make for osx	Jul 19 15:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Docker networking: How Linux containers will	Jul 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	change your network http://t.co/hmzQUFarSt	Jul 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscxq	Jul 19 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Docker networking: How Linux containers will change your network \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Could we See a Linux Tablet Brought to Life	Jul 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	with Ubuntu Touch? http://t.co/TRG8Cgte6T	Jul 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscxu	Jul 19 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Could we See a Linux Tablet Brought to Life with Ubuntu Touch? \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kerala Legislature moves to open source	Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	software; LibreOffice http://t.co/NN9OeG4XyN	Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscxv	Jul 19 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kerala Legislature moves to open source software; LibreOffice \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDecoration2 – The road ahead	Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kmCEyDw6VL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscxw	Jul 19 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDecoration2 – The road ahead \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Faults in Linux 2.6 http://t.co/O0ROZGkIV5	Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscy0	Jul 19 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Faults in Linux 2.6 \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromecast Now Lets Users Move Android Content	Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	to Their TVs http://t.co/Vj7Op523Uu	Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hscy1	Jul 19 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Chromecast Now Lets Users Move Android Content to Their TVs \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Pictures] Samsung Z (SM-Z910F) Tizen in Gold	Jul 19 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FN3ymxGV6Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsd4b	Jul 19 18:06
*TweetTuxMachines @RedditArchLinux favourited 'Faults in Linux 2.6 http://t.co/O0ROZGkIV5'		Jul 19 18:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| [Pictures] Samsung Z (SM-Z910F) Tizen in Gold \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/diikjngaVv	Jul 19 20:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 20:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsdqx	Jul 19 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 20:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/mstxUGA529	Jul 19 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsdqz	Jul 19 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/vTvzTgYM1b	Jul 19 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 19 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/hsdr0	Jul 19 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jul 19 20:30
MinceR	gn	Jul 19 20:55

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