IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: November 16th, 2014-November 22nd, 2014

TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenGL Support Is Looking Good For GTK+ 3.16,	Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	But Help Is Needed http://t.co/6sZFGeNJoy	Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/is9lu	Nov 16 00:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenGL Support Is Looking Good For GTK+ 3.16, But Help Is Needed \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 15/11/2014: Linux Mint 17.1 Release	Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	Candidate, Popcorn Time 0.3.5	Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/grRMKcl4cN (techrights.org)	Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/is9lv	Nov 16 00:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 15/11/2014: Linux Mint 17.1 Release Candidate, Popcorn Time 0.3.5 \| Techrights		Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/1O5YD3jtf9	Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/is9lw	Nov 16 00:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 00:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A	Nov 16 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	SoC</a> http://t.co/CV8ZtWVP7V	Nov 16 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 16 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A SoC · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 16 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isboo	Nov 16 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland Live CD ISOs Updated	Nov 16 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OCtKZOsTzj (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 16 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isbop	Nov 16 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Wayland Live CD ISOs Updated		Nov 16 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New "open-source web browser that carries the	Nov 16 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	best features from Opera."	Nov 16 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wRvxZTCICL (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 16 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isbqq	Nov 16 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Fifth: A New Web Browser Based On WebKitFLTK		Nov 16 07:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Powerrit favourited 'New "open-source web browser that carries the best...'		Nov 16 07:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A	Nov 16 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	SoC http://t.co/JM6sMQbrnw	Nov 16 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isc9e	Nov 16 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A SoC \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland Live CD ISOs Updated	Nov 16 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QRJxeta6Tf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isc9h	Nov 16 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wayland Live CD ISOs Updated \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 09:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [ANNOUNCE] Fifth, a new browser using	Nov 16 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	WebkitFLTK http://t.co/6CazsuhqXW	Nov 16 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isca0	Nov 16 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| [ANNOUNCE] Fifth, a new browser using WebkitFLTK \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A	Nov 16 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	SoC http://t.co/7k39ah9TvY	Nov 16 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isca2	Nov 16 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A SoC \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 09:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/533943416733061120	Nov 16 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: Wow. Munich council uses #Linux on all of its desktops. https://t.co/0pI7KeOKT1 @schestowitz, do you know any councils?		Nov 16 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joinup.ec.europa.eu \| City of Munich: "Migration to sustainable desktop completed successfully" \| Joinup		Nov 16 11:32
schestowitz	Latin America...	Nov 16 11:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SalehTarhuni/status/533962139472769024	Nov 16 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SalehTarhuni: @schestowitz @delimansc I don't think Assad really hates IS down deep.They're his lifeline. Claims of deliberate ease-down to them at first		Nov 16 12:42
MinceR	geekings	Nov 16 13:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/533975971586531328	Nov 16 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz Earlier #Assange was saying that ~#secrecy breeds #ineptitude~; guess it applies to @USPS #DataBreach http://t.co/4BZh1LU7J5		Nov 16 13:40
schestowitz	MinceR: how's it going?	Nov 16 13:40
MinceR	could be better	Nov 16 13:40
schestowitz	http://www.bustle.com/articles/49361-russia-is-creating-its-own-alternative-wikipedia-and-its-as-creepy-as-it-sounds	Nov 16 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bustle.com \| Bustle [ http://ur1.ca/isdnc ]		Nov 16 13:41
schestowitz	See the links	Nov 16 13:41
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MinceR	russia is growing more pathetic all the time	Nov 16 13:50
schestowitz	http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/11/16/247028_obama-to-putin-stop-ukraine-aggression.html?rh=1	Nov 16 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcclatchydc.com \| BRISBANE, AUSTRALIA: Obama to Putin: Stop Ukraine aggression \| Washington Watch \| McClatchy DC [ http://ur1.ca/isdsj ]		Nov 16 14:01
MinceR	http://img.444.hu/Putler.jpg	Nov 16 14:06
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/nov/16/william-gibson-interview-the-peripheral	Nov 16 14:08
schestowitz	Creation?	Nov 16 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| William Gibson: ‘We always think of ourselves as the cream of creation’ \| Books \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/isdtv ]		Nov 16 14:08
MinceR	creationists "think" of themselves as such	Nov 16 14:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533976993692659713 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533977414456840192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533980008776470528	Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Hunted by the CIA, he was captured by the military in Bolivia on October 8, 1967, and executed the following day." http://t.co/lMapvJevzY		Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.expatica.com \| ES News \| Expatica Spain		Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Obama Administration Leaves Door Wide Open for #Torture to Occur Again http://t.co/zLRiNwriLg #weTorturedSomeFolks #DestroyedSomeTapes		Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> therealnews.com \| Obama Administration Leaves Door Wide Open for Torture to Occur Again		Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Thirteen years post-9/11, out-of-control violence replaced regional stability. Prospects ahead look worse" http://t.co/HiCtTraFvW		Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thepeoplesvoice.org \| Looming US Ground Wars in Iraq and Syria		Nov 16 14:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533980715776745473 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533981103179431937 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533982331070324737	Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: David Swanson: "primary thing the U.S. government does is wage wars, and it wages them against other people" http://t.co/rFgv5RJyYa		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eurasiareview.com \| The World Gets The Wars Americans Deserve - OpEd - Eurasia Review		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "criticism from Turkey and Gulf states because of its focus on fighting Islamist militias rather than Assad." https://t.co/weVJkyzKXb		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.vice.com \| Obama Has No Good Options for Ending the War in Syria \| VICE News		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #cheney "admits too that he used 9/11 to enable spying on Americans, start the Afghan and Iraq war" http://t.co/xrdPM7peWA		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.lankaweb.com \| LankaWeb – What Dick Cheney’s lies on 9/11 has cost the US and impacted the world		Nov 16 14:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533984153482854400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533984973943230464	Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "The Constitution strongly disfavors war except in self-defense" http://t.co/LIdxnbCfFe defense of corporate profits?		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtontimes.com \| BRUCE FEIN: Delimiting presidential war powers - Washington Times		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dubbed "Putler" http://t.co/gSbDrBYGvD		Nov 16 14:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nilecoy/status/534002150842437633	Nov 16 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nilecoy: @schestowitz people don't need Facebook like people don't need cocaine. While factually true, try telling that to the crackheads.		Nov 16 15:19
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/534013075004084224	Nov 16 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: @schestowitz cruical is that it limits the users' horizons dramatically by connecting only users who have met face to face.		Nov 16 16:00
schestowitz	For some, seen is "met"	Nov 16 16:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CommunistWorker/status/534017237938884608	Nov 16 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CommunistWorker: @schestowitz #ClassWar http://t.co/IhmsdH0Plh #Palestine #ferguson #ClassWarrior #BRICS #imperialism http://t.co/OFHBimFVNo		Nov 16 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cwgusa.wordpress.com \| Class War Vol 2 No 3 \| Communist Workers Group (CWG-USA)		Nov 16 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cwgusa.wordpress.com \| BRICS around the neck of the proletariat Class Warrior #7 \| Communist Workers Group (CWG-USA)		Nov 16 16:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/534019855142633472	Nov 16 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: @schestowitz but on #facebook you find people by searching for their names whereas on #twitter it's about interest, for example open source.		Nov 16 16:31
schestowitz	yes, gossip versus ideas	Nov 16 16:31
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Nov 19 16:57
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Nov 19 16:57
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cubexyz	new blog post:	Nov 19 16:57
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cubexyz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/2014/11/thoughts-on-systemd.html	Nov 19 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca \| Notes on Linux: Thoughts on Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/itq52 ]		Nov 19 16:57
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535117336584667137 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535116114070888448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535115644178796545	Nov 19 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Thoughts on #Systemd http://t.co/5M8HetDjt1 #linux #kernel		Nov 19 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Hands-On: New KaOS Linux Release http://t.co/mgAPAZ4kWz #kaos #gnu #linux		Nov 19 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Hands-On: New KaOS Linux Release \| ZDNet		Nov 19 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux still owns supercomputing http://t.co/srz08z4ejF #gnu #linux #server #hpc		Nov 19 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Linux still owns supercomputing \| ZDNet		Nov 19 17:14
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535114671515512832 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535007546613182464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535006787729387520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535005395597938688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535004455008489472 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535002545283149824	Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 3.5 years ago I ranted about #bt management of broadband activation. This time they got it perfectly right, so it's not always all bad.		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #LinuxOutlaws Ride Into the Sunset http://t.co/hITLHhazxE		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fossforce.com \| Linux Outlaws Ride Into the Sunset \| FOSS Force		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #SolydX ISOs 201411 http://t.co/AYxi9zkglB "SolydX is a Debian based distribution with the Xfce desktop."		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> solydxk.com \| ISOs 201411 \| SolydXK		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Introducing 300,000 People to Linux http://t.co/evVHEJK2rg #linux #kernel		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxfoundation.org \| Introducing 300,000 People to Linux \| The Linux Foundation		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Interview with OpenStand Advocate Tim Berners-Lee http://t.co/FUKO1YPQQx wow, video requires Flash to watch, but TimBL supports even DRM		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> open-stand.org \| Interview with OpenStand Advocate Tim Berners-Lee: The Internet Turns 25 \| OpenStand		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GNU Guix 0.8 released http://t.co/aQO4lgWBdy #gnu #guix		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> savannah.gnu.org \| GNU Guix - News: GNU Guix 0.8 released [Savannah]		Nov 19 17:15
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535001946575626240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535001614495784960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535001341647945729 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000953532190720	Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ferguson Protests And Fox News' Contempt For Free Speech http://t.co/4DVlCKI54G they bring racists on the show, too		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mediamatters.org \| Ferguson Protests And Fox News' Contempt For Free Speech \| Blog \| Media Matters for America		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: No Debate on War http://t.co/0cuwNoiv7h only what KIND of war. It's a loaded question about war.		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fair.org \| No Debate on War		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Billionaires Push #ALEC Agenda in #Minneapolis School Board Election http://t.co/Hy367Dqa3T		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.prwatch.org \| Billionaires Push ALEC Agenda in Minneapolis School Board Election \| PR Watch		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When #noip UNIX/Linux-based "cloud" suffered an outage it was #microsoft fault too. Microsoft took them down. http://t.co/XZFioqwyFV		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft Sabotaging No-IP Rather Than Admitting Its Own Failures, Time for Class Action Seems Right as List of Affected Domains Collected \| Techrights		Nov 19 17:16
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000610270351360 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000421203718144 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000230148993024	Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Over the years #techrights has covered many outages of #azure and other Windows "cloud". Some lasted a whole day.		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #microsoft 'engineers' have already tried closing and opening Azure, restarting Windows etc. That must have exhausted their skillset.		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Where's your data? "The cloud"? Bad enough. Does it run UNIX/Linux? No? Then don't be shocked that it's offline. #microsoft #azure #windows		Nov 19 17:16
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/cloudpundit/status/534899403933622272 https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/534918486493913088 https://twitter.com/koolhead17/status/534945638002065408 https://twitter.com/MvNAtWork/status/534996839263928321	Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cloudpundit: Multi-region Azure outages are made even worse by the fact that they generally impact ALL regions not just several.		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRegister: Having Microsoft Azure problems? It's not you, it's Redmond. Storage service is wobbly this evening http://t.co/qOdes52apm		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> azure.microsoft.com \| Azure Status		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@koolhead17: Vendor X: Our cloud is enterprise ready. Customer: MSFT is enterprise leader and Azure goes down every now and then.		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MvNAtWork: The weirdest aspect of the @Azure outage is that the Azure Status page (http://t.co/HLfqZ70OBV) is downplaying it...		Nov 19 17:17
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/534991933031342080 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/534990627457736704	Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #uk ISP #o2 is now preventing me from accessing the official #identica link shortener ur1 dot ca unless I give my ID to use this 'porn' site		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: South East in Winter http://t.co/U7WtXrzCLC some background: http://t.co/gJ1lawmGbT #photography #november #uk		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> schestowitz.com \| South East in Winter		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org \| Vacation Photos \| Tux Machines		Nov 19 17:17
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535119958020481025	Nov 19 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "For-the-children" #censorship filters in the #uk have thoroughly broken mobile broadband in the UK. Thankfully I'm moving back to wired.		Nov 19 17:18
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George__	Anyone there? Not sure if I'm in the right place, but I think someone's spamming the frontpage at TuxMachines ?	Nov 19 18:36
cubexyz	I think the spiderman post is spam, yes	Nov 19 18:38
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schestowitz__	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc6iujyWhp1qj88rjo1_500.jpg	Nov 19 18:56
MinceR	:)	Nov 19 19:00
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gde33	http://betanews.com/2014/11/19/republicans-vote-against-usa-freedom-act-that-would-have-limited-nsa-surveillance/	Nov 19 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com \| Republicans vote against USA Freedom Act that would have limited NSA surveillance [ http://ur1.ca/itr43 ]		Nov 19 19:18
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/ralpost/status/535133176407277568	Nov 19 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ralpost: @schestowitz Just a heads-up, this just arrived in my RSS reader http://t.co/YP0QRUqPCb		Nov 19 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/70933 )		Nov 19 19:19
gde33	I'm looking for interesting opml files / rss lists	Nov 19 19:20
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lirodon	Microsoft's Yahoo-branded front-end of Bing is going to be Firefox's new default search engine	Nov 19 23:34
schestowitz__	yes, rianne saw that	Nov 19 23:48
schestowitz__	And I am going to chastise Mozilla over this	Nov 19 23:48
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gde33	schestowitz__: google search is nice but the corporation is destroying the web	Nov 20 00:55
gde33	of course funneling all the traffic into bing is not really an improvement	Nov 20 00:56
gde33	a bit like an election between bush and clinton -.-	Nov 20 00:56
gde33	I'm happy they put ads on the enhanced new tab page	Nov 20 00:56
gde33	that way they have more than 1 revenue stream	Nov 20 00:57
cubexyz	there's Blekko	Nov 20 01:59
cubexyz	adding blekko to firefox is easy	Nov 20 02:01
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MinceR	m$ is destroying the web harder	Nov 20 07:15
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roy_	Positive experience changing and registering details with NPower and United Utilities.	Nov 20 13:00
roy_	almost done here setting things up and resuming articles...	Nov 20 13:01
roy_	Looks more and more like Windows Phone...	Nov 20 13:10
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5192240	Nov 20 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Gallery: Android 5.0 Lollipop, before and after http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/11/gallery-android-5-0-lollipop-before-and-after/		Nov 20 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Gallery: Android 5.0 Lollipop, before and after \| Ars Technica		Nov 20 13:10
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5192212	Nov 20 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 15 Android Apps That Will Make Your iPhone Friends Jealous http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2014/11/17/cue-the-smacktalk-red-hat-and-mirantis-face-off/		Nov 20 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com \| Cue The SmackTalk--Red Hat And Mirantis Face Off - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/ityab ]		Nov 20 13:10
roy_	"The title does not match the link :)"	Nov 20 13:10
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roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5183501	Nov 20 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Wow. The #uk "porn" filter is now blocking my site othellomaster.com (Free software game). I found out by navigating via #o2 -blocked!		Nov 20 15:16
roy_	"That's fscked up. Maybe due to "hell" in the domain? That would be hilarious!"	Nov 20 15:16
roy_	""UK government porn filters... putting the Hell back into hilarious.""	Nov 20 15:16
roy_	"Are you aware of the blocked! project (https://www.blocked.org.uk) run by #OpenRightsGroup"	Nov 20 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.blocked.org.uk \| Report mobile and Internet Service Providers blocking sites \| Home		Nov 20 15:17
roy_	"Good one, thanks! Here's something from me -- a #HowTo on arguing against Internet censorship: http://rys.io/en/94 /me needs to update it, though"	Nov 20 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rys.io \| HOWTO: effectively argue against Internet censorship ideas :: RysioBrag		Nov 20 15:17
roy_	"thanks for the howto, need to read in more detail but in my initial look it seems like it might be useful, certainly as a refresher ;-)'	Nov 20 15:17
roy_	I have reported to ORG and to O2. Both responded.	Nov 20 15:17
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179912	Nov 20 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #systemd not the reason #joeyh left #debian https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/on_leaving/		Nov 20 15:19
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roy_	"	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	"It's important to be unafraid to make a decision, try it out, and if it doesn't work, be unafraid to iterate, rethink, or throw a bad choice out."	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	The problem is, someone else is making the decision by me. If it happens that systemd is a bad choice as I think then I'll trow out for sure, with the distro if both become one and the same.	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	That's the curious part of this.	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	I haven't seen actual surveys, but it seems to me that systemd has a large number of detractors, a large (probably larger) number of people who don't have enough experience with it to have formed an opinion, a very small number of well-placed supporters, and a miniscule number of ordinary users who support it.	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	I share this opinion that Debian can't progress, sit at the middle of the cleavage.	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	Observed that systemd is just evolving system operators procedures and wishes new spectrum for Linux appliances.	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	'	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	I indeed have no experience with systemd, but I never wait for something to become a disaster to do something about. Since I have lots of servers I just cannot drop Debian and put OpenBSD, but I'm getting prepared in case systemd is the disaster I imagine.	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	I'll check Debian Jessie in February or March, and by that time I'll have ready plan B instead of wondering what I could do.	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	"If you can have BSD in toasters and fridges with no systemd I see no need of it in Linux."	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	Well, one problem is that, indeed, the systemd folks are starting to seek kernel modifications to accommodate systemd. So far, Linus has told them they need to grow up about taking responsibility for problems, but he also left the door open for distributions to take on the task of solving those problems first. Those distributions will, almost certainly, be Red Hat and its derivatives; they have Lennart Poettering on their payroll.	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	I don't know why the BSDs are incompatible with systemd. I understand there is a project to port some functions over to the BSDs, so they can have their systemd-lite I guess.	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	But I have to tell you it was refreshing to see, on the FreeBSD users list, a crack about keeping that Poettering (I forget which profanity went here) off of one's system (in that case, a reference to pulseaudio, another Poettering project).	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	The question is not why the BSDs are incompatible with systemd, but why systemd has to run in the BSDs. If a software is written following POSIX then very likely will run in other platforms, otherwise won't, and as far as I know systemd is written to run in Linux only. And there are some substitutes of systemd on the way, but they're not related to systemd, they will be used only as a substitute for running Gnome and nothing else.	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	Anyway, is more likely to see the hell frozen rather that seeing Theo de Raadt allowing systemd in OpenBSD.	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	"Theo de Raadt is the single best argument for OpenBSD. All by himself."	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	Don't choose a person, choose a group	Nov 20 15:21
cubexyz	ha	Nov 20 15:23
cubexyz	I'm asking the boycottsystemd guy which distros he recommends.	Nov 20 15:24
cubexyz	yes, OpenBSD is a good choice	Nov 20 15:24
cubexyz	but which modern Linux distro should we use? That is the question	Nov 20 15:25
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MinceR	geekings	Nov 20 17:01
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5191841	Nov 20 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: LISA’14 – Are We Making Linux Too Easy? http://techponder.wordpress.com/2014/11/18/lisa14-are-we-making-linux-too-easy/		Nov 20 18:43
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roy_	"In my day we used to have to write the code for our entire operating system in binary coded assembly language. Kids today have it way too easy."	Nov 20 18:43
MinceR	"get off my lawn!"	Nov 20 18:44
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5193171	Nov 20 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: #DARPA Is Using Ubuntu to Build Humanoid Robots – Video http://news.softpedia.com/news/DARPA-Is-Using-Ubuntu-to-Build-Humanoid-Robots-Video-465343.shtml		Nov 20 18:45
roy_	"Yay... or not."	Nov 20 18:46
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roy_	MinceR: get offa ma cloud !	Nov 20 18:46
MinceR	:)	Nov 20 18:48
cubexyz	ok, who coded there OS in assembly language? :)	Nov 20 18:49
cubexyz	even in 1974 Unix was mostly C language	Nov 20 18:49
cubexyz	s/there/their/	Nov 20 18:49
cubexyz	ok, there's KolibriOS	Nov 20 18:50
cubexyz	IBM DMS was assembly	Nov 20 18:52
cubexyz	that's going pretty far back though	Nov 20 18:52
cubexyz	1965	Nov 20 18:52
MinceR	i did	Nov 20 19:05
MinceR	it's just "cli; hlt" though	Nov 20 19:05
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jgay	unix http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg	Nov 20 20:06
jgay	kind of anyhow	Nov 20 20:06
jgay	sorry I happened to have that open in a tab when I read this channel	Nov 20 20:07
cubexyz	my understanding is the PDP-7 OS was called Unics	Nov 20 20:21
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roy_	http://major.io/2014/11/19/response-infoworlds-confusing-article-fedora/	Nov 20 20:41
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roy_	"	Nov 20 20:41
roy_	I was at the first flock in Charleston and “stumbled upon” the meeting where this proposal and plan was being put together in final form for board presentation at the time. No, it was not even some secret meeting, nor in any way a closed one, nor was it some kind of “redhat conspiracy”. For the record, nobody discussed “how does this serve redhat interests”, only what everyone thought Fedora should do for itself as a community.	Nov 20 20:41
roy_	Nor did this I ever see where this proposal had any origin or direction from RedHat. This is what Fresco and the Fedora community came up with entirely on it’s own, so it is very much the other way around. Like all things that actually do happen in Fedora, it was a genuine, and yes, independent community process that brought this about.	Nov 20 20:41
roy_	I maintain two packages in Fedora, and while I may not always personally agree with every policy choice we do make in the Fedora community (though this particular one I do, strongly), I do recognize they are truly by independent consensus where all voices also do get the chance to be heard. I agree the problem here is not Fedora as an imagined “dumping ground for RHAT”, but rather a journalist who wants to write controversy where there is	Nov 20 20:41
roy_	none otherwise.	Nov 20 20:41
roy_	"	Nov 20 20:41
MinceR	gn	Nov 20 20:52
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Candy___	Dear Dr. Roy Schestowitz	Nov 21 04:07
Candy___	Firstly, I would like to show my respect for this valuable post. My name is ○○. I am a student and a member of the Voluntary Agency Network of Korea (VANK) in Korea. VANK is a non-governmental volunteer organization, composed of students ranging from elementary school to college and adults who wish to tell correct information about Korea to foreign textbooks and publishing companies.	Nov 21 04:08
roy_	hello	Nov 21 04:08
Candy___	I would like to inform you that one of your post used wrong national flag. And this could give incorrect information to someone read this post. Please refer to this link of your website : http://techrights.org/2013/12/18/south-korea-ubuntu/	Nov 21 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Positive Power of Ubuntu GNU/Linux Seen in South Korea \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/iu7pz ]		Nov 21 04:08
Candy___	Our national flag is called Taegeukgi. And the one used on your post is an old Taegeukgi. Now we are using changed Taegeukgi.	Nov 21 04:08
roy_	let me check	Nov 21 04:09
Candy___	you can see the our Taegukgi at here : http://navercast.naver.com/contents.nhn?rid=92&contents_id=4541	Nov 21 04:09
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Candy___	Although this post was written long time ago. As a member of the VANK, I request you to fix it as soon as possible to prevent having any more misinformation.	Nov 21 04:09
roy_	ah, yes, it's an old one	Nov 21 04:09
roy_	it's just what was in a free clipart	Nov 21 04:10
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roy_	yingyang	Nov 21 04:10
Candy___	I will be happy if you change it new one can you?	Nov 21 04:10
roy_	is the use of an old flag offensive? I didn't realise that	Nov 21 04:10
Candy___	Hum exactly it's not offensive but the picture in that link is express Korea	Nov 21 04:11
Candy___	but that is an old one so I asked you to change it	Nov 21 04:12
Candy___	So can you do this?^^	Nov 21 04:12
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roy_	the issue is, unless it's offensive, I struggle to see how use of an old flag (not the only such example in the site) becomes an issue	Nov 21 04:13
roy_	other pages in the site have the latest flag	Nov 21 04:13
roy_	http://www.google.com/custom?q=flag&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=techrights.org&client=pub-2479740519054892&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23999999%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A999999%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A999999%3BALC%3A666666%3BLC%3A666666%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A333333%3BGIMP%3A333333%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A50%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ftechrights.org%2Ftechrights-search.png%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.com%	Nov 21 04:13
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roy_	3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en	Nov 21 04:13
Candy___	So you mean you cant change it as lastest one?	Nov 21 04:14
roy_	I don't see what would be gained from that	Nov 21 04:15
Candy___	As a member of VANK I was looking for sth wrong information about Korea at google	Nov 21 04:15
roy_	unless it offended people in its present form	Nov 21 04:15
roy_	how is it wrong information is nowhere in the post does it claim it to be the latest flag?	Nov 21 04:16
Candy___	and I found your article and I thought this flag is not the right information	Nov 21 04:16
Candy___	cause we don't use that flag anymore	Nov 21 04:16
roy_	do you go through sites that use this flag and systematically ask for changes?	Nov 21 04:17
Candy___	As you say, it's not a big deal but I want to upload your article to lastest one	Nov 21 04:17
roy_	it would be disinformation if I said, "Korea is communist"	Nov 21 04:17
roy_	next time I write about korea I will use the latest flag	Nov 21 04:17
roy_	the site has almost a dozen articles about korea	Nov 21 04:18
roy_	most use the latest flag	Nov 21 04:18
Candy___	Yh I saw	Nov 21 04:18
Candy___	I was founing the way to contacting someone who wrote that article	Nov 21 04:18
roy_	is this flag one predating the Korean war?	Nov 21 04:19
roy_	If so, then I can see why it presents a problem	Nov 21 04:20
Candy___	No at all. I mean that's an old information.	Nov 21 04:21
Candy___	that's the flag somewhere around at 1923	Nov 21 04:21
Candy___	and we dont use that flag anymore.	Nov 21 04:21
Candy___	so that's why I wanted to change it.	Nov 21 04:22
roy_	next time I write about Korea I will definitely use the latest flag	Nov 21 04:23
roy_	the old flag has histotical importance	Nov 21 04:23
roy_	vanishing it would be a disservice to history, I think	Nov 21 04:23
Candy___	Yes Yes of course it's important right	Nov 21 04:23
roy_	I also use old Canadian flags and old US flags sometimes, confederate	Nov 21 04:24
Candy___	but in that page that flag is kind of face of Korea	Nov 21 04:24
roy_	would it help if I added a caption stating it's the old flag?	Nov 21 04:24
Candy___	It will help someone who has chance to misunderstand Korean flag	Nov 21 04:25
Candy___	Thank you	Nov 21 04:25
Candy___	but Is their any reason you used an old flag?	Nov 21 04:25
roy_	yes	Nov 21 04:25
roy_	image licensing	Nov 21 04:26
Candy___	oh!	Nov 21 04:26
roy_	I use only images that would not have copyright issues	Nov 21 04:26
Candy___	sorry to hear that	Nov 21 04:26
roy_	which is a shame, I know	Nov 21 04:26
roy_	my enemies like trying to use copyright to cause me issues and silence me	Nov 21 04:26
roy_	I will add a caption stating it's an old flag	Nov 21 04:26
Candy___	Thank you so much! I will check your fixed article! when I can see ti?	Nov 21 04:27
Candy___	it*	Nov 21 04:27
roy_	caption added	Nov 21 04:29
Candy___	You know I am not good at English so I was embarassed when you talked why? why? blabla lol I didn't know that you have like that reason used that flag.	Nov 21 04:29
roy_	My wife and I were planning to visit Korea	Nov 21 04:29
Candy___	Oh really? I'd like to hear that	Nov 21 04:29
roy_	Her phone is a Samsung	Nov 21 04:29
roy_	she has two of them	Nov 21 04:29
roy_	both Samsung	Nov 21 04:29
roy_	My dad used to import Samsung for decades	Nov 21 04:30
roy_	the only one in the country, back in the 1980s when Samsung was small	Nov 21 04:30
Candy___	but I wonder what is that meaning yingyang that word make me feel bad...	Nov 21 04:30
roy_	the current flag still has yingyang, I think	Nov 21 04:30
roy_	or maybe I misunderstand the word	Nov 21 04:31
Candy___	Oh sorry	Nov 21 04:31
Candy___	anyway I am surprised to hear your family is the customer of Samsung	Nov 21 04:31
roy_	well, it's the leader in phones now, but it wasn't always the case	Nov 21 04:32
Candy___	because most American use Iphone also my friend in Korea is using Iphone	Nov 21 04:32
roy_	my dad must have imported like thousands of TVs from Samsung, and stereos	Nov 21 04:32
Candy___	wow	Nov 21 04:32
Candy___	that's amazing	Nov 21 04:32
roy_	the one in our living room is a samsung, the point being, I'm not against Korea at all, not even the north. North and south used to collaborate on distro development about 5 years ago.	Nov 21 04:33
Candy___	You was against Korea?	Nov 21 04:33
roy_	No, never	Nov 21 04:34
roy_	I'm not a big fan of Japan, though	Nov 21 04:34
roy_	they used to abuse Koreans for war and prostitution	Nov 21 04:35
roy_	and they slaughtered many people in my wife's country	Nov 21 04:35
Candy___	where is your wife country?	Nov 21 04:36
roy_	east asia	Nov 21 04:38
roy_	point being, Japan has lots more perception issues	Nov 21 04:38
roy_	though I think it succeeded in changing some	Nov 21 04:38
roy_	after what it did in the world war	Nov 21 04:38
Candy___	Yes we are still fighting Japan with Many problems	Nov 21 04:39
roy_	Korea is largely viewed positively, the Western media only vilifies the north	Nov 21 04:39
roy_	Did Japan pay reparations for abuse of Korean women yet?	Nov 21 04:39
Candy___	yes not yet	Nov 21 04:39
Candy___	they are just waiting for the day all abused ladies being dead	Nov 21 04:40
roy_	yes, that's what I last read in English news	Nov 21 04:42
roy_	they're in denial mode	Nov 21 04:42
Candy___	It's first time to meet someone who know about abuse of Korean woman.	Nov 21 04:42
roy_	let me ask you something	Nov 21 04:43
Candy___	What?	Nov 21 04:43
roy_	what is it like to live in Korea? I hear it's very stressful and competitive	Nov 21 04:43
Candy___	for what part?	Nov 21 04:43
roy_	young people in the south, like Seoul	Nov 21 04:44
roy_	women having lots of plastic surgery, pressure for high marks at school	Nov 21 04:44
Candy___	Yes they are so competitive right.	Nov 21 04:44
roy_	a bit like Singapore or HK	Nov 21 04:44
roy_	Maybe even China, except it's much poorer overall, per capita	Nov 21 04:45
Candy___	I was born at here and I have been lived at here since I was born.	Nov 21 04:45
Candy___	So It will be hard to live for you cause you are adjusted to your country culture	Nov 21 04:46
Candy___	but for me, in the opposit it will be stressful to live in USA	Nov 21 04:46
Candy___	Cause I am adjusted to Korean life	Nov 21 04:47
roy_	US is bad for other reasons	Nov 21 04:47
roy_	esp. for immigrants	Nov 21 04:47
Candy___	oh why?	Nov 21 04:47
roy_	I tried Korean food here, the cuisine there wasn't good, but my wife says it's the restaurant that's bad	Nov 21 04:47
roy_	There are many Korean students around here	Nov 21 04:47
Candy___	Yes I think Korean is everywhere all over the world	Nov 21 04:48
roy_	it's said that they're so loyal that they only eat (for the most part) in the Korean restaurants in Manchester	Nov 21 04:48
roy_	Korean universities are expensive, so some go to study in south east Asia	Nov 21 04:48
Candy___	I haven't heard about it	Nov 21 04:49
Candy___	So what kind of Korean food you tried	Nov 21 04:50
roy_	it's apparently trendy now	Nov 21 04:50
roy_	my father in law says Korean students are everywhere now	Nov 21 04:50
roy_	misu soup, tea and some stuff with meat in it (can't recall the main course)	Nov 21 04:51
Candy___	I am not sure that's because of fee.	Nov 21 04:51
roy_	with the metal chopsticks	Nov 21 04:51
Candy___	OMG misu soup is Japanese haha	Nov 21 04:51
roy_	yes, but they served it there too	Nov 21 04:51
roy_	I used to make jokes about that place being shurt	Nov 21 04:52
roy_	not many clients most of the time	Nov 21 04:52
roy_	some nights the place was closed	Nov 21 04:52
roy_	and it was fairly newly-opened	Nov 21 04:52
Candy___	What time there?	Nov 21 04:52
roy_	When I was there we were the only ones dining there	Nov 21 04:53
Candy___	actually yesterday	Nov 21 04:53
roy_	Is it true that in Korean too there's no easy acceptance of failure, a bit like in Japan?	Nov 21 04:53
roy_	*Korea	Nov 21 04:53
Candy___	Yes I think you are right. But, That made us of now	Nov 21 04:54
roy_	When I thought about moving to Singapore (2 years ago) I came to realise that youths there were under enormous pressure	Nov 21 04:54
Candy___	And I think we are in transition period,	Nov 21 04:55
Candy___	Because of rapid growth	Nov 21 04:55
roy_	towards being relaxed?	Nov 21 04:55
Candy___	That's our generation's homework	Nov 21 04:56
roy_	I once heard of people in the streets in Korea, youth that could not cope with the pressure and left homne	Nov 21 04:56
Candy___	pass the baton !!	Nov 21 04:56
Candy___	What?	Nov 21 04:56
roy_	in Google StreetView Korea looks very industralised	Nov 21 04:56
roy_	Seoul suburbs being like Taipei	Nov 21 04:57
Candy___	haha	Nov 21 04:58
Candy___	When are you paning to visit Korea?	Nov 21 04:58
Candy___	come and watch in it real	Nov 21 04:58
roy_	(since we talk about perceptions and misinformation)	Nov 21 04:58
Candy___	really?	Nov 21 04:59
roy_	Korea is advertised as another Japan, or Seoul being like Tokyo	Nov 21 04:59
roy_	Like financial centres, tall buildings	Nov 21 04:59
roy_	for the rich people only	Nov 21 04:59
Candy___	If you visit Korea, you can't think like that	Nov 21 04:59
Candy___	For me the building in USA and Canada is same	Nov 21 05:00
Candy___	but If I visit both country every part it will look different maybe	Nov 21 05:00
roy_	less densely populated	Nov 21 05:00
roy_	I might be in Korea in transit in a few months	Nov 21 05:01
Candy___	we have many people compare to the bigest of land	Nov 21 05:01
roy_	can pay a fee to leave the airport for a while until the next flight departs	Nov 21 05:01
Candy___	But the problem is most are live in Seoul.	Nov 21 05:02
roy_	same as in UK and London	Nov 21 05:02
Candy___	I wonder are a English?	Nov 21 05:03
roy_	people try to stay close to financial centres where job opportunities exist	Nov 21 05:03
roy_	I'm Germany, but living in the UK for many years	Nov 21 05:03
Candy___	I thought you are American though	Nov 21 05:03
Candy___	but I feel strange when the time you told about menchester	Nov 21 05:04
Candy___	So, haha you must be good at cerman	Nov 21 05:04
roy_	US is a bit of a mess for most people now	Nov 21 05:05
roy_	though UK can be seen as increasingly the same	Nov 21 05:05
roy_	China seems like a sad place to be in, but then again, that's China	Nov 21 05:05
roy_	we went to a local Chinese warehouse last night	Nov 21 05:06
Candy___	yes	Nov 21 05:06
roy_	what a mess it was. Huge and dustry	Nov 21 05:06
roy_	*dirty	Nov 21 05:06
Candy___	It's universal image of China	Nov 21 05:06
roy_	korea is now seen as its tech sector	Nov 21 05:07
roy_	nat uni of singapore, lg, samsung...	Nov 21 05:07
roy_	oops	Nov 21 05:07
roy_	seoul	Nov 21 05:07
roy_	not NUS in Singapore	Nov 21 05:08
Candy___	yes. haha	Nov 21 05:08
Candy___	So can I ask you another faver? actually I was looking for German who can translate this English to German.	Nov 21 05:09
Candy___	If you are busy to read and translate that's OK. jsut keep it. this will be helpful for you to trip in Korea	Nov 21 05:10
Candy___	Someone interested in South Korean Travel	Nov 21 05:10
Candy___	Check this information right now!	Nov 21 05:10
Candy___	This all services are created by Korea Tourism Organization.	Nov 21 05:10
Candy___	And I am sure they provide reliable information for you.	Nov 21 05:11
Candy___	Official Web Site of Korea Tourism Organization :	Nov 21 05:11
Candy___	http://www.visitkorea.or.kr/intro.html	Nov 21 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.visitkorea.or.kr \| Imagine your Korea		Nov 21 05:11
Candy___	Ok it's hard to attch it one by one	Nov 21 05:11
Candy___	I'll give up to show you this lol	Nov 21 05:11
roy_	ah, cool	Nov 21 05:12
roy_	yesterday we watched some tourism videos of Berlin (my sister is there now)	Nov 21 05:12
roy_	as for Korea, if I was to go there, I'm not sure what I'd do	Nov 21 05:12
roy_	Not into sightseeing myself	Nov 21 05:12
Candy___	So, I think you don't need my help	Nov 21 05:13
roy_	I'd like to visit some factories in mainland china to grasp what many live like	Nov 21 05:13
roy_	or Bangladesh	Nov 21 05:13
Candy___	If you need some help to visit Korea anytime!	Nov 21 05:13
Candy___	haha	Nov 21 05:14
roy_	Candy___: rather than try to change flag there's effort that can be done on other issues	Nov 21 05:14
Candy___	kind of what?	Nov 21 05:14
Candy___	<roy_>	Nov 21 05:14
roy_	change stigmas	Nov 21 05:15
roy_	many countries have stereotypes spread about them	Nov 21 05:16
Candy___	So what is about Korea?	Nov 21 05:16
roy_	British=cold, German=racist, US=love weapons/war, Russia=cruel...	Nov 21 05:16
roy_	Korea=only loyal to Korea	Nov 21 05:17
roy_	that's the one I hear here	Nov 21 05:17
Candy___	Maybe haha We love our country so much	Nov 21 05:17
Candy___	But I also interested in other countries	Nov 21 05:18
Candy___	Like we have popular tv show "Abnormal Talk" They have 11pannels each from another countries and speak Korean	Nov 21 05:18
Candy___	They are sharing their culture and opinion of the subject at that show	Nov 21 05:19
Candy___	And that program is really popular these days	Nov 21 05:20
roy_	nationalism is reinforced through olympic ambolitions	Nov 21 05:20
Candy___	I think their are chaning little bt little now not just loyal to Korea.	Nov 21 05:20
Candy___	I don't think so, at least not for me.	Nov 21 05:21
roy_	Korean is not perceived as a place for tourism	Nov 21 05:21
roy_	which probably means the big sections of the economy are still tech and such	Nov 21 05:21
roy_	having nuclear neughbours does not help	Nov 21 05:22
Candy___	I didn't know thet Korea is not perceived as a place for tourism.	Nov 21 05:22
roy_	name one famous place for tourists can go to	Nov 21 05:23
Candy___	Cause We Have So Many Things To Show you guys	Nov 21 05:23
roy_	nobody here would name even one	Nov 21 05:23
roy_	to many, korea means LG and Samsung, that's it	Nov 21 05:23
Candy___	Sorry to hear that	Nov 21 05:23
roy_	and north korea has celebrity villain	Nov 21 05:24
roy_	and marching army, that's what TV shows us here	Nov 21 05:24
Candy___	I have friends from UK	Nov 21 05:24
Candy___	They were visit Korea during 2months	Nov 21 05:24
Candy___	and they told me that before we visit here as school program	Nov 21 05:24
Candy___	We didn't know about Korea	Nov 21 05:25
Candy___	So that's really true	Nov 21 05:25
Candy___	I need to do hard because I want to be a professtiona Korean promoter someday	Nov 21 05:25
roy_	Korea has real issues	Nov 21 05:26
roy_	it's seen here as just "Asia"	Nov 21 05:26
roy_	The flag is a symbol	Nov 21 05:26
roy_	but more people can name the tech giants, not the flag	Nov 21 05:26
roy_	many would think yangyang is some "Chinese" or "Asia" thing	Nov 21 05:27
roy_	people can barely tell apart people from different parts of east asia	Nov 21 05:27
Candy___	for me too it sounds like Chinese	Nov 21 05:27
roy_	let alone find them on a map without borders	Nov 21 05:27
roy_	some might thing korea is a region of china	Nov 21 05:27
Candy___	That's hrrible..	Nov 21 05:28
roy_	if high cheek bone or slanted eyes, people in the West just go "Asian", and that's as far as most go	Nov 21 05:28
roy_	they can't distinguish so for them Korean means something like "Cantonese" or "Mandarin"	Nov 21 05:29
roy_	So Korea would need to put itself apart	Nov 21 05:29
roy_	as Japan had done to some degree	Nov 21 05:29
roy_	Japan is seen as "rich Asians"	Nov 21 05:29
roy_	Korea is gradually getting there	Nov 21 05:30
roy_	when my dad sold Samsung for several decaddes he had to explain to stupid people what Korea is	Nov 21 05:30
roy_	and seoul	Nov 21 05:30
roy_	the games of 1988 helped	Nov 21 05:30
roy_	otherwise people think that it's as good as "made in cambodia" or indonesia	Nov 21 05:31
Candy___	god..	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	back then samsung had no name really	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	People still view Taupei as "part of China"	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	*Taipei	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	Korea may be viewed similar to that, based on my experience	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	kpop did some good things	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	like gangnam style going viral internationally	Nov 21 05:32
roy_	so people view korea as something to do with culture, not just some tech giants	Nov 21 05:32
roy_	https://twitter.com/Asp0App/status/535657865470808064	Nov 21 05:33
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Candy___	I thought the culture is the most way to attract other people to Korea	Nov 21 05:33
roy_	PSY was one among none, as no other Korean singer gets out of Korea	Nov 21 05:35
roy_	IU...	Nov 21 05:35
roy_	flrf	Nov 21 05:35
roy_	for instance	Nov 21 05:35
roy_	or that group of 4 girls, SISTAR	Nov 21 05:36
Candy___	flrf? what is that	Nov 21 05:36
roy_	nobody knows them	Nov 21 05:36
roy_	just Psy	Nov 21 05:36
Candy___	you know musch kpop star	Nov 21 05:36
roy_	I have lots of Korean music on my PC and external drives	Nov 21 05:36
roy_	much compared to most people here	Nov 21 05:36
roy_	SISTAR maybe spread a bit in Asia, but not in the West	Nov 21 05:37
roy_	IU did some films and stuff in Japan	Nov 21 05:37
Candy___	You know very much about Korea	Nov 21 05:38
roy_	But again, if you want tourism with investment money and spendings, it won't come from the south	Nov 21 05:38
roy_	having samsung as the sponsor of the games for korea and even songs like bring the day that are samsung ads makes korea just look like embodiment of corporations	Nov 21 05:41
roy_	with almost a million sraff	Nov 21 05:41
roy_	korea might be making a PR mistake	Nov 21 05:41
roy_	it thinks associating itself with the corporations would pass the good publicity from the might of the brands	Nov 21 05:41
roy_	instead, it makes the country look as though all it has to show are the brands	Nov 21 05:42
Candy___	hum	Nov 21 05:43
Candy___	I'll keep that in mind	Nov 21 05:43
Candy___	so I might need to get a job at Samsung promote department	Nov 21 05:44
roy_	opposite	Nov 21 05:46
roy_	my point was, korea becomes too dependent on the brands	Nov 21 05:46
roy_	so people view it as NOTHING BUT those brands	Nov 21 05:46
roy_	If you want tourism, then show another angle	Nov 21 05:47
roy_	Our LG fringe won't drive us to visiting Korea	Nov 21 05:47
roy_	Knowing what tourists attractions exist in Korea might	Nov 21 05:47
roy_	and that can bring a lot more prosperity to the nation than a designed-in-Korea but made-in-China product	Nov 21 05:48
Candy___	Thank you for the advice	Nov 21 05:50
Candy___	I promise you I will keep that in mind!	Nov 21 05:50
Candy___	You gave a way what to do	Nov 21 05:50
roy_	maybe a lot of promoters of Korea already know that	Nov 21 05:51
roy_	kpop needs to spread a bit to show culture	Nov 21 05:51
roy_	and sights, traditions	Nov 21 05:51
Candy___	Yes right	Nov 21 05:52
Candy___	KTO is working like that	Nov 21 05:52
Candy___	they are doing their best.	Nov 21 05:52
Candy___	and Roy	Nov 21 05:52
Candy___	I checked your comment under flag	Nov 21 05:53
Candy___	and that's wrong	Nov 21 05:53
Candy___	Just change it It's an old flg	Nov 21 05:53
Candy___	*flag	Nov 21 05:53
roy_	is the command not correct?	Nov 21 05:53
roy_	or the flag?	Nov 21 05:53
Candy___	command	Nov 21 05:54
Candy___	It's not predating Korean war	Nov 21 05:54
Candy___	I hope to change it as just It's an old Korean flag	Nov 21 05:54
roy_	ok, I will amend again	Nov 21 05:55
Candy___	Thank you I will check	Nov 21 05:56
roy_	I removed "predating the Korean war"	Nov 21 05:56
Candy___	Yh I saw	Nov 21 05:58
Candy___	Thank you	Nov 21 05:58
Candy___	And Roy I was impressed how you think about Korea tourism future	Nov 21 06:02
Candy___	and I will be happy if you tell somethinb about Korea that you know to someone around you	Nov 21 06:02
Candy___	and then at least they will know about truth of Korea!	Nov 21 06:02
roy_	I don't know where in Korea one can travel	Nov 21 06:03
roy_	it's not common knowledge	Nov 21 06:03
roy_	people know about tokyo, fuji mountain, great wall of china, but nothing in particular in korea	Nov 21 06:04
roy_	the restaurant we went to is called baekdu	Nov 21 06:04
roy_	which they say means mountain	Nov 21 06:04
roy_	and there are pictures of it around, though it doesn't say anything in particular about some particular mountain (I assume there are many as it's not far from Ring of Fire)	Nov 21 06:05
Candy___	Most of people know about Seoul in Korea	Nov 21 06:06
Candy___	So Seoul, Is popular for Dongdaemun street market	Nov 21 06:06
roy_	but it's just a city's name	Nov 21 06:07
Candy___	They are selling so many things even anymals on street	Nov 21 06:07
roy_	I didn't know about this market	Nov 21 06:07
Candy___	and Namsan Tower	Nov 21 06:07
roy_	never heard of it	Nov 21 06:07
Candy___	very high tower!	Nov 21 06:07
Candy___	and Bukcheon Hangok village	Nov 21 06:07
Candy___	hangok is Korean traditional house	Nov 21 06:08
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Candy___	You can see awsome Hangok at there	Nov 21 06:08
Candy___	and Insadong ssamgitstreet	Nov 21 06:09
Candy___	It's kind of downtown with funny structrue	Nov 21 06:09
roy_	my point was, you need to increase awareness of it	Nov 21 06:09
roy_	maybe if the flag had traditional house in it	Nov 21 06:09
roy_	seoul is usually mentioned in the intl' media when there's tension with pyongyang	Nov 21 06:10
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Candy___	Hum you gave me so many things to think about	Nov 21 06:16
Candy___	this is so good to know you	Nov 21 06:18
roy_	glad to be of help	Nov 21 06:29
roy_	you need to try to help promote Free/libre software in Korea	Nov 21 06:29
roy_	the sooner, the better	Nov 21 06:29
roy_	there's espionage going on, and dependence on MS ActiveX in online banking helps it	Nov 21 06:30
roy_	the whole country is easy to control by hijacking all these WIndows-running PCs	Nov 21 06:30
Candy___	I will find some info about it Thank you!	Nov 21 06:34
Candy___	Goodbye see you!	Nov 21 06:40
roy_	you too	Nov 21 06:40
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msb__	Anybody here?	Nov 21 13:09
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msb__	Anybody here?	Nov 21 17:17
cubexyz	hi	Nov 21 17:20
cubexyz	msb__, what's up?	Nov 21 17:20
msb__	cubexyz: Hey man!	Nov 21 17:21
msb__	Do you watch the TV show Elementary?	Nov 21 17:21
cubexyz	I've seen it once or twice	Nov 21 17:22
msb__	The one broadcast last night S03E04 -- Bella -- is about an AI. Superb!	Nov 21 17:22
cubexyz	there's a linux distro called Elementary as well :)	Nov 21 17:23
cubexyz	ok, I'll check that out	Nov 21 17:24
msb__	I found a great list about creating a version of debian without systemd:	Nov 21 17:26
msb__	http://www.freelists.org/list/modular-debian	Nov 21 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freelists.org \| FreeLists / Toward a more modular Debian OS [ http://ur1.ca/iuejb ]		Nov 21 17:26
cubexyz	yeah, seems there's a lot of buzz about systemd lately	Nov 21 17:26
cubexyz	did you see my blog post about systemd?	Nov 21 17:26
msb__	no, where is it?	Nov 21 17:26
cubexyz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca	Nov 21 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca \| Notes on Linux		Nov 21 17:27
msb__	I posted to that list and likened systemd to the LHC converting the whole planet into a white-hot strangelet particle.	Nov 21 17:27
cubexyz	ha	Nov 21 17:28
cubexyz	sort of a windowsification of Linux	Nov 21 17:28
cubexyz	it doesn't really effect me too much	Nov 21 17:29
cubexyz	I think I have one systemd system, and the 8 other ones are pre-systemd	Nov 21 17:30
msb__	good blog post. there are articles you could cite giving more anti systemd reasons.	Nov 21 17:30
cubexyz	yeah there's even a http://boycottsystemd.org	Nov 21 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boycottsystemd.org \| boycott systemd		Nov 21 17:31
cubexyz	when you knew I'm a unix traditionalist I'm sure :)	Nov 21 17:31
cubexyz	s/when/well/	Nov 21 17:31
msb__	http://boycottsystemd.org/	Nov 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boycottsystemd.org \| boycott systemd		Nov 21 17:32
msb__	http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/	Nov 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-igurublog.wordpress.com \| Ts’o and Linus And The Impotent Rage Against systemd « IgnorantGuru's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/iuela ]		Nov 21 17:32
msb__	http://ewontfix.com/14/	Nov 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ewontfix.com \| EWONTFIX - Broken by design: systemd		Nov 21 17:32
msb__	http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/systemd-216-a-4175515577/	Nov 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org \| systemd 216 [ http://ur1.ca/iuelc ]		Nov 21 17:32
msb__	https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/K7ijdmxJ8PF	Nov 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com \| For those who believe the systemd developers are reasonable and will listen to… [ http://ur1.ca/iueld ]		Nov 21 17:32
cubexyz	debian should just give everyone the choice of which init system they prefer	Nov 21 17:33
msb__	I think the best approach is to fork a good distro.	Nov 21 17:33
msb__	Yes.	Nov 21 17:33
msb__	Supposedly they do, but systemd is the default.	Nov 21 17:33
msb__	So that's what that list is about.	Nov 21 17:34
msb__	Staying with some old version has the disadvantage that lots of new programs, often multimedia stuff, doesn't have the requisite libs there, or worse.	Nov 21 17:35
msb__	...lacks some whole facility it needs.	Nov 21 17:35
cubexyz	that's true	Nov 21 17:36
cubexyz	that's why I use multiple eras of Unix and Linux	Nov 21 17:36
msb__	Big problem with systemd is that a lot of apps get mutated to use its facilities, and then the damn thing is required to run them.	Nov 21 17:36
cubexyz	sometimes the new distro doesn't support some old program, so it cuts both ways	Nov 21 17:37
msb__	So goddamn Poettering ends up controlling and "churning" lots of your apps.	Nov 21 17:37
cubexyz	it's a divisive issue for sure	Nov 21 17:38
msb__	For old programs, I just bring in the old libs. Like for xmms audio player. Works fine.	Nov 21 17:39
cubexyz	old scanner programs won't work	Nov 21 17:40
msb__	You can always run them from a script that uses that environment variable to tell the linker to use the old lib. So it doesn't get used by any other program.	Nov 21 17:40
msb__	If you bring in the old libs?	Nov 21 17:40
cubexyz	you would have to bypass libusb which seems very difficult	Nov 21 17:40
cubexyz	one used to be able to open /dev/scanner0	Nov 21 17:41
msb__	can't have the old and new one running at the same time?	Nov 21 17:41
cubexyz	but that's gone in newer Linux, not sure exactly when it kicked in	Nov 21 17:41
cubexyz	msb__, I have to use a separate computer running an older Linux to use the old scanner programs	Nov 21 17:42
msb__	That sucks!	Nov 21 17:42
cubexyz	ah, it's not that bad	Nov 21 17:42
cubexyz	I like using different eras of Linux/Unix	Nov 21 17:43
msb__	If you have another computer. I only have the one.	Nov 21 17:43
cubexyz	I bought a dell a few years back for 20 bucks :)	Nov 21 17:43
cubexyz	that was to run OpenBSD	Nov 21 17:43
msb__	My laser printer is no longer suported well in cups.	Nov 21 17:43
msb__	At least last time I checked.	Nov 21 17:43
cubexyz	here is the old way of using the scanner:	Nov 21 17:44
MinceR	183355 < msb__> Supposedly they do, but systemd is the default.	Nov 21 17:44
MinceR	only supposedly.	Nov 21 17:44
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/scantest3.c	Nov 21 17:45
MinceR	they officially don't care if they break sysvinit	Nov 21 17:45
MinceR	and they force you to systemd if you downgrade to jessie.	Nov 21 17:45
msb__	Can you run the old linux and usb system in a VM in the new linux?	Nov 21 17:45
cubexyz	MinceR, I told one systemd guy that I used Unix v5 :)	Nov 21 17:45
cubexyz	that shut him up	Nov 21 17:46
MinceR	msb__: you probably can	Nov 21 17:46
cubexyz	msb__, maybe	Nov 21 17:46
cubexyz	I have the kooka source so maybe I can upgrade it myself	Nov 21 17:47
msb__	Wow, that's a very simple scanner interface.	Nov 21 17:48
cubexyz	wrote it myself :)	Nov 21 17:48
msb__	Kool!	Nov 21 17:49
msb__	What's kooka?	Nov 21 17:49
cubexyz	it's a KDE 3.5.10 frontend for SANE	Nov 21 17:49
cubexyz	unfortunately it doesn't work on newer linux	Nov 21 17:50
msb__	Because of changes in the usb api?	Nov 21 17:51
cubexyz	on newer Linux I have to use xscanimage which is OK but not really ideal	Nov 21 17:51
cubexyz	msb__, yes	Nov 21 17:51
cubexyz	I should try it in OpenBSD, I don't think I've tried that yet	Nov 21 17:53
cubexyz	tough to find the time to try everything	Nov 21 17:53
msb__	Maybe some kind of shim lib could be written to take old usb commands and send them modified to new usb lib.	Nov 21 17:55
MinceR	or kooka could be updated	Nov 21 17:56
MinceR	though if it uses SANE, why does it even need the usb api?	Nov 21 17:56
MinceR	it should just talk to SANE	Nov 21 17:57
cubexyz	it's got to select the scanner device, and somehow that part gets borked up	Nov 21 17:58
cubexyz	libkscan just can't find the device	Nov 21 18:01
msb__	MinceR: The latest episode of Elementary - s03e04 - is about an AI. Very good!	Nov 21 18:09
msb__	Scary, even!	Nov 21 18:10
MinceR	:)	Nov 21 18:11
msb__	Joe-Bob Bilk says check it out!	Nov 21 18:11
msb__	Nice 161MB in bt.	Nov 21 18:12
MinceR	who's Joe-Bob?	Nov 21 18:12
msb__	Joe-Bob Briggs -- used to do movie reviews.	Nov 21 18:12
MinceR	ic	Nov 21 18:12
msb__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bob_Briggs	Nov 21 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Joe Bob Briggs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/iuex7 ]		Nov 21 18:14
msb__	Rates movies numerically for blood, breasts and beasts.	Nov 21 18:15
MinceR	:)	Nov 21 18:16
msb__	Actually named Bloom. Probably a Texas Jew-boy.	Nov 21 18:16
msb__	Of course "Kill Switch" in X-Files is also not to be missed!	Nov 21 18:17
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MinceR	183227 < msb__> http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/	Nov 21 21:32
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MinceR	good one	Nov 21 21:32
cubexyz	systemd is no match for Never-Upgrade Man	Nov 21 21:42
MinceR	lol	Nov 21 21:43
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cubexyz	I'm not sure which Linux distro to recommend for very new distros	Nov 21 21:46
cubexyz	Slackware seems OK	Nov 21 21:46
cubexyz	I'll want x86-32 support	Nov 21 21:46
roy_	is slack ok for desktops, still?	Nov 21 21:53
roy_	competitive?	Nov 21 21:53
MinceR	it's becoming increasingly competitive vs distros that handicap themselves with systemd	Nov 21 21:54
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MinceR	gn	Nov 21 22:48
cubexyz	roy_, I use it on one machine	Nov 21 23:36
cubexyz	I'm a bit at a loss what to recommend... got to study different distros more	Nov 21 23:37
cubexyz	right now I'm using a bunch of different Fedoras, Fc1, Fedora 10, Fedora 14 and Fedora 16	Nov 21 23:38
cubexyz	also OpenBSD, and Vector Linux (based on Slackware 12.1)	Nov 21 23:38
cubexyz	I believe Fedora switched over to systemd with Fedora 15	Nov 21 23:40
cubexyz	other ones NOT using systemd are:	Nov 21 23:41
cubexyz	PCLinuxOS, CRUX and Gentoo (although Gentoo offers systemd as an option)	Nov 21 23:42
cubexyz	CRUX isn't ideal though for me, it's x86-64 only	Nov 21 23:43
cubexyz	I've used FC1 and upgraded it as necessary for over 10 years now	Nov 21 23:54
cubexyz	I've never had any problems with sysvinit	Nov 21 23:54
cubexyz	http://www.slackware.com/config/init.php	Nov 21 23:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-Based Beautiful Jolla Tablet Registers	Nov 22 03:49
TweetTuxMachines	Fantastic Success on Indigogo	Nov 22 03:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1IZMZSL3JX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 03:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iun3s	Nov 22 03:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SolydX 201411 Is a Rolling Release Alternative	Nov 22 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	to Linux Mint Debian Xfce	Nov 22 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PTNKYttQDR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 03:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mageia 3 Is Now Officially Dead	Nov 22 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/tSWxJB8gNo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 03:50
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iurba	Nov 22 08:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wake Up Lil SUSE, Minty Goodness, and Caine	Nov 22 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	Mutiny http://t.co/9T0DjFshWK	Nov 22 13:13
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuukx	Nov 22 13:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How To Install IceCat On Any Distro	Nov 22 18:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bSK9ZMjdSb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux64	Nov 22 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How To Install IceCat On Any Distro \| Tux Machines		Nov 22 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More File-System Tests Of The Linux 3.18 Kernel	Nov 22 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DTFkwDAlhI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux65	Nov 22 18:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Back in stock: a ThinkPenguin router that	Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	respects your freedom http://t.co/UG1Zo0XzJB	Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.fsf.org)	Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux6s	Nov 22 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org \| Back in stock: a ThinkPenguin router that respects your freedom — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software		Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android projector offers 400 lumens on battery	Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	power http://t.co/C7NQ8avaLa (linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux6u	Nov 22 19:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Would you crowdfund a $500 Ubuntu “open to the	Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	core” laptop? https://t.co/vCKq3qEPPy	Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	(bryanquigley.com)	Nov 22 19:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux6v	Nov 22 19:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More File-System Tests Of The Linux 3.18 Kernel	Nov 22 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MqZL40nCuD (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 22 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux7v	Nov 22 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] More File-System Tests Of The Linux 3.18 Kernel		Nov 22 19:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenSUSE 13.2 review - Back in the game!	Nov 22 19:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ccDzWIzxz5 (www.dedoimedo.com)	Nov 22 19:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxcj	Nov 22 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com \| OpenSUSE 13.2 review - Back in the game!		Nov 22 19:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines V2 Of KDBUS Published For Linux Kernel Review	Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UYpSyp19yG (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxck	Nov 22 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] V2 Of KDBUS Published For Linux Kernel Review		Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 12 Awesome Themes for Mint 17.1 Cinnamon	Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RxgcM6k44p (www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxcl	Nov 22 19:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mageia 3 Is Now Officially Dead	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jCOTODBhXE (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxis	Nov 22 19:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SolydX 201411 Is a Rolling Release Alternative	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	to Linux Mint Debian Xfce	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nPxfenJaE7 (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxit	Nov 22 19:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Canonical claimed 20 million PCs had shipped	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	from OEMs in 2013/2014 with Ubuntu GNU/Linux."	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/XGdtxvfLwj (mrpogson.com)	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxiu	Nov 22 19:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Would you crowdfund a $500 Ubuntu “open to the	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	core” laptop? http://t.co/WgQQKW33BC	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxix	Nov 22 19:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenSUSE 13.2 review - Back in the game!	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ScTf3N879L (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxiz	Nov 22 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenSUSE 13.2 review - Back in the game! \| Tux Machines		Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Contain yourself: The layman's guide to Docker	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0AKoBXBkGJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxj0	Nov 22 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Contain yourself: The layman's guide to Docker \| Tux Machines		Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FLOSS Works – Now It Has Salesmen	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JYNAo0l9pj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxjd	Nov 22 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How To Install IceCat On Any Distro	Nov 22 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@SerbianLinuks	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxjh	Nov 22 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Pushes Forward with CentOS [VIDEO]	Nov 22 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SY30eGFEgU (www.serverwatch.com)	Nov 22 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxuv	Nov 22 20:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.4.5 beta released	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DX49I8Irjx (www.elivecd.org) "The	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	Elive Team is proud to announce the release of	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	the beta version 2.4.5"	Nov 22 20:23
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxyl	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Pushes Forward with CentOS [VIDEO]	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CZUr4HAiLF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxyn	Nov 22 20:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.4.5 beta released	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jMhOS7aR3x (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxyo	Nov 22 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Elive 2.4.5 beta released \| Tux Machines		Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Guadalinex v9 is out http://t.co/93bdYEevB0	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.guadalinex.org) used by a lot of	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	Europeans.	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxyp	Nov 22 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.guadalinex.org \| Guadalinex v9 llega para quedarse. — Portal Guadalinex		Nov 22 20:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OPNFV Adds Chinese Telecom to Open Source	Nov 22 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	NFV/SDN Partnership http://t.co/Adl8IOItcn	Nov 22 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuy94	Nov 22 20:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10 Great Plasma Widgets for KDE with	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	Screenshots http://t.co/A4opDkKKM7	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 22 21:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Council Elections Interview with Rex Dieter	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	(rdieter) http://t.co/orsvPRIYz4	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	(fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuyhe	Nov 22 21:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/9Bwq97Whm6 (www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuyhf	Nov 22 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| 11 Linux Games Up to 86% Discount During This Steam Weeklong Deal \| TuxArena		Nov 22 21:14
schestowitz_bed2	> http://freebsdfoundation.blogspot.com/2014/11/freebsd-foundation-announces-generous.html	Nov 22 21:25
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schestowitz_bed2	>	Nov 22 21:25
schestowitz_bed2	> Warning: the blog links to FB.	Nov 22 21:25
schestowitz_bed2	> http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-pays-university-for-piracy-research-141118/	Nov 22 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| MPAA Pays University $1,000,000 For Piracy Research \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/iuyud ]		Nov 22 21:56
schestowitz_bed2	>	Nov 22 21:56
schestowitz_bed2	> "research" as in M$ "Research"	Nov 22 21:56
schestowitz_bed2	> http://kdvr.com/2014/11/18/tom-fallis-arrested-on-murder-charge-2-years-after-wifes-shooting-death/	Nov 22 22:06
schestowitz_bed2	> http://kdvr.com/2014/04/08/evans-detective-accused-of-covering-up-evidence-to-hide-murder-as-suicide/	Nov 22 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kdvr.com \| Fmr. deputy Tom Fallis arrested on murder charge nearly three years after shooting death of wife \| FOX31 Denver [ http://ur1.ca/iuywv ]		Nov 22 22:06
schestowitz_bed2	>	Nov 22 22:06
schestowitz_bed2	> back of the head... yet it took 2 years	Nov 22 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kdvr.com \| Evans detective accused of covering up evidence to hide murder as suicide \| FOX31 Denver [ http://ur1.ca/iuywy ]		Nov 22 22:06
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schestowitz_bed2	https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/11/19/0826247&mode=nested&threshold=3	Nov 22 22:17
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schestowitz_bed2	"	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	Really shitty, shitty news for Debian and its derivatives. It could	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	torpedo all of Linux. I can no longer recommend it when people ask. I	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	have to learn FreeBSD now because it has longer support cycles than	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	OpenBSD. I have 4 years to quit Ubuntu LTS though. PC-BSD might	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	improve enough by then.	Nov 22 22:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10 Great Plasma Widgets for KDE with	Nov 22 22:39
TweetTuxMachines	Screenshots http://t.co/5nn5uBqir6	Nov 22 22:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What Can You Do For Linux Gaming?	Nov 22 22:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/u1ONWUvhk9 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 22 22:39
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MinceR	gn	Nov 16 00:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenGL Support Is Looking Good For GTK+ 3.16,	Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	But Help Is Needed http://t.co/6sZFGeNJoy	Nov 16 00:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 15/11/2014: Linux Mint 17.1 Release	Nov 16 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	Candidate, Popcorn Time 0.3.5	Nov 16 00:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A	Nov 16 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	SoC</a> http://t.co/CV8ZtWVP7V	Nov 16 07:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland Live CD ISOs Updated	Nov 16 07:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New "open-source web browser that carries the	Nov 16 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	best features from Opera."	Nov 16 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wRvxZTCICL (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 16 07:46
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TweetTuxMachines	SoC http://t.co/JM6sMQbrnw	Nov 16 09:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland Live CD ISOs Updated	Nov 16 09:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [ANNOUNCE] Fifth, a new browser using	Nov 16 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	WebkitFLTK http://t.co/6CazsuhqXW	Nov 16 09:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A	Nov 16 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	SoC http://t.co/7k39ah9TvY	Nov 16 09:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/533943416733061120	Nov 16 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: Wow. Munich council uses #Linux on all of its desktops. https://t.co/0pI7KeOKT1 @schestowitz, do you know any councils?		Nov 16 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joinup.ec.europa.eu \| City of Munich: "Migration to sustainable desktop completed successfully" \| Joinup		Nov 16 11:32
schestowitz	Latin America...	Nov 16 11:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SalehTarhuni/status/533962139472769024	Nov 16 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SalehTarhuni: @schestowitz @delimansc I don't think Assad really hates IS down deep.They're his lifeline. Claims of deliberate ease-down to them at first		Nov 16 12:42
MinceR	geekings	Nov 16 13:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/533975971586531328	Nov 16 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz Earlier #Assange was saying that ~#secrecy breeds #ineptitude~; guess it applies to @USPS #DataBreach http://t.co/4BZh1LU7J5		Nov 16 13:40
schestowitz	MinceR: how's it going?	Nov 16 13:40
MinceR	could be better	Nov 16 13:40
schestowitz	http://www.bustle.com/articles/49361-russia-is-creating-its-own-alternative-wikipedia-and-its-as-creepy-as-it-sounds	Nov 16 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bustle.com \| Bustle [ http://ur1.ca/isdnc ]		Nov 16 13:41
schestowitz	See the links	Nov 16 13:42
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MinceR	russia is growing more pathetic all the time	Nov 16 13:50
schestowitz	http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/11/16/247028_obama-to-putin-stop-ukraine-aggression.html?rh=1	Nov 16 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcclatchydc.com \| BRISBANE, AUSTRALIA: Obama to Putin: Stop Ukraine aggression \| Washington Watch \| McClatchy DC [ http://ur1.ca/isdsj ]		Nov 16 14:01
MinceR	http://img.444.hu/Putler.jpg	Nov 16 14:07
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/nov/16/william-gibson-interview-the-peripheral	Nov 16 14:08
schestowitz	Creation?	Nov 16 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| William Gibson: ‘We always think of ourselves as the cream of creation’ \| Books \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/isdtv ]		Nov 16 14:08
MinceR	creationists "think" of themselves as such	Nov 16 14:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533976993692659713 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533977414456840192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533980008776470528	Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Hunted by the CIA, he was captured by the military in Bolivia on October 8, 1967, and executed the following day." http://t.co/lMapvJevzY		Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.expatica.com \| ES News \| Expatica Spain		Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Obama Administration Leaves Door Wide Open for #Torture to Occur Again http://t.co/zLRiNwriLg #weTorturedSomeFolks #DestroyedSomeTapes		Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> therealnews.com \| Obama Administration Leaves Door Wide Open for Torture to Occur Again		Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Thirteen years post-9/11, out-of-control violence replaced regional stability. Prospects ahead look worse" http://t.co/HiCtTraFvW		Nov 16 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thepeoplesvoice.org \| Looming US Ground Wars in Iraq and Syria		Nov 16 14:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533980715776745473 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533981103179431937 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533982331070324737	Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: David Swanson: "primary thing the U.S. government does is wage wars, and it wages them against other people" http://t.co/rFgv5RJyYa		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eurasiareview.com \| The World Gets The Wars Americans Deserve - OpEd - Eurasia Review		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "criticism from Turkey and Gulf states because of its focus on fighting Islamist militias rather than Assad." https://t.co/weVJkyzKXb		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.vice.com \| Obama Has No Good Options for Ending the War in Syria \| VICE News		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #cheney "admits too that he used 9/11 to enable spying on Americans, start the Afghan and Iraq war" http://t.co/xrdPM7peWA		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.lankaweb.com \| LankaWeb – What Dick Cheney’s lies on 9/11 has cost the US and impacted the world		Nov 16 14:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533984153482854400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533984973943230464	Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "The Constitution strongly disfavors war except in self-defense" http://t.co/LIdxnbCfFe defense of corporate profits?		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtontimes.com \| BRUCE FEIN: Delimiting presidential war powers - Washington Times		Nov 16 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dubbed "Putler" http://t.co/gSbDrBYGvD		Nov 16 14:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nilecoy/status/534002150842437633	Nov 16 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nilecoy: @schestowitz people don't need Facebook like people don't need cocaine. While factually true, try telling that to the crackheads.		Nov 16 15:19
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/534013075004084224	Nov 16 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: @schestowitz cruical is that it limits the users' horizons dramatically by connecting only users who have met face to face.		Nov 16 16:00
schestowitz	For some, seen is "met"	Nov 16 16:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CommunistWorker/status/534017237938884608	Nov 16 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CommunistWorker: @schestowitz #ClassWar http://t.co/IhmsdH0Plh #Palestine #ferguson #ClassWarrior #BRICS #imperialism http://t.co/OFHBimFVNo		Nov 16 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cwgusa.wordpress.com \| Class War Vol 2 No 3 \| Communist Workers Group (CWG-USA)		Nov 16 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cwgusa.wordpress.com \| BRICS around the neck of the proletariat Class Warrior #7 \| Communist Workers Group (CWG-USA)		Nov 16 16:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/534019855142633472	Nov 16 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: @schestowitz but on #facebook you find people by searching for their names whereas on #twitter it's about interest, for example open source.		Nov 16 16:31
schestowitz	yes, gossip versus ideas	Nov 16 16:31
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5176343	Nov 16 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Consciousness in the Age of Digital Dystopia http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/27318-consciousness-in-the-age-of-digital-dystopia #surveillance as silent, invisible imprisonment of the mind		Nov 16 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.truth-out.org \| Consciousness in the Age of Digital Dystopia [ http://ur1.ca/isfxj ]		Nov 16 18:56
schestowitz__	This only goes into available information, not belief in said information. Again principles of Atheist thinking is a training ground for general evidence-based thinking.""	Nov 16 18:56
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5174050	Nov 16 18:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don't take pride in #microsoft certifications: Five-year-old passes Microsoft exam http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30054140		Nov 16 18:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5That's got to violate several child cruelty and labor laws."174050	Nov 16 18:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.com \| BBC News - Five-year-old passes Microsoft exam [ http://ur1.ca/irzlt ]		Nov 16 18:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Nov 16 18:57
schestowitz__	"That's got to violate several child cruelty and labor laws."	Nov 16 18:57
schestowitz__	#microsoft employees http://www.fungur.com/chinese-factory-microsoft-office/ the ones that actually make stuff, not patent lawyers and people that buy code	Nov 16 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fungur.com \| Chinese Factory Microsoft Office \| FunGur.com [ http://ur1.ca/isfyw ]		Nov 16 19:00
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5175878	Nov 16 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of people I speak to don't understand what patents inherently are and how they work. They have that lightbulb/Edison image in the head		Nov 16 19:01
schestowitz__	"Still trying to learn what patents are. It's very confusing."	Nov 16 19:01
schestowitz__	What they used to be or existed to become in the first place is not what they are now	Nov 16 19:02
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5176767	Nov 16 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #whitewash of expelled ambassador Heather Hodges http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20141110/ambassador-thrown-out-of-ecuador-after-wikileaks-scandal-will-talk-about-her-life-and-times-at-kirtland-event feeding dirt to Washington about #ecuador		Nov 16 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.news-herald.com \| Ambassador thrown out of Ecuador after WikiLeaks scandal will talk about her life and times at Kirtland event [ http://ur1.ca/isfzn ]		Nov 16 19:03
schestowitz__	"Another person not appreciated by its effort of spreading freedom and democracy in behalf of the US. I can notice a pattern here."	Nov 16 19:03
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4890191	Nov 16 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The #Alpine #Linux project is pleased to announce the immediate availability of version 3.0.5" http://alpinelinux.org/release-3.0.5		Nov 16 19:04
schestowitz__	"This is a great distro which brings real fully functionnal experiments… For my part, the first installation was successful, and apk has never broken. I love using it everyday on my amd64 workstation !"	Nov 16 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> alpinelinux.org \| Alpine 3.0.5 released \| Alpine Linux		Nov 16 19:04
schestowitz__	> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00010.html	Nov 16 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org \| [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering [ http://ur1.ca/isg3t ]		Nov 16 19:21
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 19:21
schestowitz__	> Boy did that get watered down, if that's the GR that was proposed.	Nov 16 19:21
schestowitz__	>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/11/microsoft-builds-a-skype-web-client-for-at-least-one-version-of-the-web/	Nov 16 19:32
schestowitz__	>> >	Nov 16 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Microsoft builds a Skype Web client… for at least one version of the Web \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/isg3d ]		Nov 16 19:32
schestowitz__	>> > Microsoft Peter is poo-pooing standards again, as he did with VP8 and	Nov 16 19:32
schestowitz__	>> > others...	Nov 16 19:32
schestowitz__	> In addition to that, it may also be a lame excuse to stop developing a	Nov 16 19:32
schestowitz__	> native Linux client, not that it would be all bad to do so. All the	Nov 16 19:32
schestowitz__	> more reason to get people to start using SIP. If they can't switch over	Nov 16 19:32
schestowitz__	> all the way, they can at least start using it in parallel. There are	Nov 16 19:32
schestowitz__	> good SIP clients to choose from and they are all interoperable.	Nov 16 19:32
schestowitz__	Then there's a raft of other proprietary VOIP clients, inc. WhatsApp and Viber... even Google hangover [sic] ('cloud').	Nov 16 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox Developer Edition 35 Alpha 2 Has Been	Nov 16 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	Released. + Installation Instructions For Most	Nov 16 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	Popular Linux Systems http://t.co/9JjVSYWhnD	Nov 16 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxg.net)	Nov 16 20:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Firefox Developer Edition 35 Alpha 2 Has Been Released. + Installation Instructions For The Most Popular Linux Systems \| LinuxG.net		Nov 16 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/f5ZECMV1d8	Nov 16 20:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 20:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/zuKagedPWb	Nov 16 20:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 20:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debunking Several Days of Never-Ending Lies	Nov 16 20:05
TweetTuxMachines	About #Microsoft and #dotNET	Nov 16 20:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VLR8oGMtrl (techrights.org)	Nov 16 20:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Debunking Several Days of Never-Ending Lies About Microsoft and .NET \| Techrights		Nov 16 20:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will Write for FUD (Against FOSS)	Nov 16 20:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xGvjQ0ZrOA (techrights.org) #	Nov 16 20:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Will Write for FUD (Against FOSS) \| Techrights		Nov 16 20:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nightmares With UEFI ‘Secure’ Boot (i.e.	Nov 16 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Monopoly Imposed) Continue to Affect	Nov 16 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	GNU Linux Users http://t.co/2E2LaRE6Jg	Nov 16 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Nov 16 20:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Magnificent Linux Music Streaming Clients	Nov 16 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/T5OxpeFfHO (www.linuxlinks.com)	Nov 16 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgeu	Nov 16 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Terrible Joke Which is Microsoft ‘Loving’ Linux: Nightmares With UEFI ‘Secure’ Boot (i.e. Windows Monopoly Imposed) Continue to Affect GNU/Linux Users \| Techrights		Nov 16 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxlinks.com \| Five Magnificent Linux Music Streaming Clients - Linux Links - The Linux Portal Site		Nov 16 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Urban Terror 4.2.021 Updates the HUD, Many Bug	Nov 16 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes and Enhancements http://t.co/hvNN6yvLUH	Nov 16 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 16 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| Urban Terror 4.2.021 Updates the HUD, Many Bug Fixes and Enhancements \| TuxArena		Nov 16 20:12
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*TweetTuxMachines @accusoftinfoway retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Debunking Several Days of Never-Ending Lies About #Microsoft...'		Nov 16 20:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23~25 Might Switch Away From Firefox	Nov 16 21:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SeopMP7bHf (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 16 21:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Fedora 23~25 Might Switch Away From Firefox		Nov 16 21:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Kernel Now Explicitly Uses GNU89, Not	Nov 16 21:03
TweetTuxMachines	Yet C11 Friendly http://t.co/xvvd0aN0aD	Nov 16 21:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 16 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] The Linux Kernel Now Explicitly Uses GNU89, Not Yet C11 Friendly		Nov 16 21:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgqo	Nov 16 21:03
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5175887	Nov 16 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Trying to emulate limitations of paper, some sites continue to use superscript with numbers & full URLs as footnotes rather than hyperlinks		Nov 16 21:04
schestowitz__	"I used to be bothered by this, but sometimes I think it's kind of nice to know a little information about what the link is about which you don't get with a single or a couple words hyperlinked, you do get that with bibliographic-styled web sites and that's sometimes nice. For things that aren't very academic, it is sometimes undesirable, I agree with that."	Nov 16 21:04
schestowitz__	Not a matter of academic or not, except in the academic there's more paper and paywalls, so links don't apply much of the time	Nov 16 21:04
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/534089800589271043	Nov 16 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz @evenorbert Five Reasons to Reject the Webkit Monoculture (and I agree) http://t.co/8iXXlJMiAj		Nov 16 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.sitepoint.com \| 5 Reasons to Reject the WebKit Monoculture		Nov 16 21:06
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5177977	Nov 16 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Fedora 23~25 Might Switch Away From Firefox http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg0MTA #mozilla #firefox		Nov 16 21:25
schestowitz__	"Epiphany is pretty good already, and extremely GNOMEy. People who care can always install Firefox. Or Opera, for that matter."	Nov 16 21:25
MinceR	worse than that, fedora will or already has switched to systemd	Nov 16 21:27
schestowitz__	"It's not called Epiphany anymore, it's called Web now, which has to be the worst name ever for a browser. It's more than likely because it's made to integrate with GNOME 3 and Fedora ships GNOME 3 by default."	Nov 16 21:58
schestowitz__	"CyanogenMod ships with the Browser browser :)"	Nov 16 21:58
schestowitz__	heh	Nov 16 21:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178227	Nov 16 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Animaciones La curiosidad mató al gato jejeje		Nov 16 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by atari130xe@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_089d03f57a879eb47538.gif		Nov 16 21:58
schestowitz__	"	Nov 16 21:58
schestowitz__	s	Nov 16 21:58
schestowitz__	Oooo	Nov 16 21:58
schestowitz__	"	Nov 16 21:58
MinceR	they could merge them to create the Web Browser web browser.	Nov 16 21:59
MinceR	gn	Nov 16 22:25
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5176690	Nov 16 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 85 richest now have as much money as poorest 3.5B http://www.9news.com/story/money/2014/11/08/warren-buffet-richest-americans-poorest-people/18718465/ more of an ad for #billgates by #usatoday (plutocrats-owned)		Nov 16 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.9news.com \| 85 richest now have as much money as poorest 3.5B [ http://ur1.ca/ishbg ]		Nov 16 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines xfdesktop 4.10.3 released	Nov 16 22:42
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TlU2LFilzz (mail.xfce.org)	Nov 16 22:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishcl	Nov 16 22:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mail.xfce.org \| ANNOUNCE: xfdesktop 4.10.3 released		Nov 16 22:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 16/11/2014: Xfdesktop 4.10.3, GNU Hello	Nov 16 22:42
TweetTuxMachines	2.10 http://t.co/8PDL4nV7ow (techrights.org)	Nov 16 22:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishcm	Nov 16 22:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 16/11/2014: Xfdesktop 4.10.3, GNU Hello 2.10 \| Techrights		Nov 16 22:42
schestowitz__	"In other words, IF the 85 richest were to give up their money, you could double the wealth of 3.5 billion people."	Nov 16 23:01
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/evenorbert/status/534118376822808576	Nov 16 23:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@evenorbert: @fcassia @schestowitz very important and good article. All of them are valid points.		Nov 16 23:01
schestowitz__	> Dear Sir,	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	> Thanks for reply. For all futher information you can contact us at any time.	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	> Bst rgds,	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	> Ingrid / No Corruption	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	I will try to publish this tomorrow, but we're moving houses that day, so can't promise it'll be ready by then.	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	Regards,	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	> Just so that you are informed:	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	> A contact of ours received the following query from a source in Zagreb:	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	> /"media press <mediapress@net.hr <mailto:mediapress@net.hr>>	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	> pls be so kind and send us e-mail adress of Mr. Roy Schestowitz.	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	> So, no twitter, no facebook, just e-mail adress.	Nov 16 23:18
schestowitz__	> Reason: "case" Zeljko Topic and distribution lot of documentation.	Nov 16 23:19
schestowitz__	> Expecting your urgent reply,bst rgds.	Nov 16 23:19
schestowitz__	> Mediapress Zagreb"	Nov 16 23:19
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:19
schestowitz__	> /	Nov 16 23:19
schestowitz__	> We passed on your e-mail to the source of the query.	Nov 16 23:19
schestowitz__	> We don't know exactly what this is about but it seems like they want to	Nov 16 23:19
schestowitz__	> send you some documents about the Topic case./	Nov 16 23:19
schestowitz__	> /	Nov 16 23:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide	Nov 16 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Vk3x5JW99m	Nov 16 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Nov 16 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide « Everyday Linux User		Nov 16 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishn5	Nov 16 23:31
*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited 'The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide http://t.co/Vk3x5JW99m'		Nov 16 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23~25 Might Switch Away From Firefox	Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GbG7tor8ml (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishn7	Nov 16 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23~25 Might Switch Away From Firefox \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Kernel Now Explicitly Uses GNU89, Not	Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	Yet C11 Friendly http://t.co/CX4d9Fpd30	Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishn8	Nov 16 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Linux Kernel Now Explicitly Uses GNU89, Not Yet C11 Friendly \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Govt logs into open source policy to cut	Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	software costs http://t.co/piQgBjjXEF	Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishn9	Nov 16 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Govt logs into open source policy to cut software costs \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/0WA6uLptQC	Nov 16 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishny	Nov 16 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide	Nov 16 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JSVixZw8KL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isho0	Nov 16 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 23:35
schestowitz__	> Dear Sir,	Nov 16 23:43
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:43
schestowitz__	> Thanks for reply. For all futher information you can contact us at any time.	Nov 16 23:43
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:43
schestowitz__	> Bst rgds,	Nov 16 23:43
schestowitz__	> Dear Sirs!	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> Few days ago NGO „No Corruption“ pass subscript mail to Editor of web	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> site http://techrights.org/ with some informations about „case EPO &	Nov 16 23:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/* )		Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> Zeljko Topic“ and with final RQ: Is journalist Zeljko Peratovic corrupted?	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> We think that any further comment would be superfluous.	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> Please, be so kind and forwarding mentioned mail (and attach, too) to	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> futher investigation in your organisation and inform about your decision	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> EU and World media services.	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> Expecting your response, once again we would like to thank you very much	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> for your help and efforts you're going to make.	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> Sincerely,	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	> NGO No Corruption	Nov 16 23:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:45
schestowitz__	> Zagreb / Croatia	Nov 16 23:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 23:45
schestowitz__	> Copy: www.techrights.org	Nov 16 23:45
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/534089800589271043?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=email	Nov 17 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz @evenorbert Five Reasons to Reject the Webkit Monoculture (and I agree) http://t.co/8iXXlJMiAj		Nov 17 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.sitepoint.com \| 5 Reasons to Reject the WebKit Monoculture		Nov 17 00:17
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*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited 'The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide http://t.co/JSVixZw8KL'		Nov 17 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian Developer Resigns From The Systemd	Nov 17 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	Maintainership Team http://t.co/V8XGrIvM5k	Nov 17 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com) http://t.co/ILVhingFva	Nov 17 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Debian Developer Resigns From The Systemd Maintainership Team		Nov 17 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	(lists.alioth.debian.org)	Nov 17 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.alioth.debian.org \| Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team		Nov 17 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isi0b	Nov 17 00:40
schestowitz__	Hogewash: http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2014/11/what-microsofts-shift-to-open-source-for-net-means/	Nov 17 00:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lifehacker.com.au \| What Microsoft's Shift To Open Source For .NET Means \| Lifehacker Australia [ http://ur1.ca/isi14 ]		Nov 17 00:43
schestowitz__	"Microsoft will now be working with organisations like Xamarin who have been providing a version of this platform across different mobile operating systems for some time but doing so without explicit and direct support from Microsoft."	Nov 17 00:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE VS Lubuntu On An Old Netbook	Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Rz01PFcbGv	Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Nov 17 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| Ubuntu MATE VS Lubuntu On An Old Netbook « Everyday Linux User		Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isi42	Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 with Cinnamon 2.4 Looks	Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	Beautiful [Overview, Screenshots, What's New]	Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9ph7JuANBv (www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isi43	Nov 17 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| Linux Mint 17.1 with Cinnamon 2.4 Looks Beautiful [Overview, Screenshots, What's New] \| TuxArena		Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer	Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	team http://t.co/cbeGfRa03K	Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isi44	Nov 17 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE VS Lubuntu On An Old Netbook	Nov 17 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/09JBjkvYMW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isia0	Nov 17 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu MATE VS Lubuntu On An Old Netbook \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 with Cinnamon 2.4 Looks	Nov 17 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	Beautiful [Overview, Screenshots, What's New]	Nov 17 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jmqe6C7gRa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isia7	Nov 17 01:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 17.1 with Cinnamon 2.4 Looks Beautiful [Overview, Screenshots, What's New] \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 01:28
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5170979	Nov 17 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk PM: People Aren't Radicalized By Foreign Policy, But By Free Speech Online, So ISPs Agree To Censor Button https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141114/06414329138/david-cameron-says-people-arent-radicalized-poverty-foreign-policy-free-speech-online-so-isps-agree-to-censor-button.shtml		Nov 17 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| David Cameron Says People Aren't Radicalized By Poverty Or Foreign Policy, But By Free Speech Online, So ISPs Agree To Censor Button \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/is76m ]		Nov 17 08:08
schestowitz__	Oooohh... that comment deserves reporting, right there!""	Nov 17 08:08
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178223	Nov 17 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: the toaster... ![the toaster...](http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m43t64L7sH1qz6ygbo1_500.gif) #toaster #blade #knife #slice #slicing #loafofbread #bread #animatedgif		Nov 17 08:09
schestowitz__	"More elegant than a blaster."	Nov 17 08:09
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178392	Nov 17 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### Radfahrers Alptraum / Cyclists Nightmare [![](http://erikjohanssonphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/levl.jpg)](http://erikjohanssonphoto.com/work/vertical-turn/) #erikjohansson first seen [here](/posts/7dd6be40410c01321d5200259069449e) #radfahren #fahrrad #cycling #bicycle #photografie #photography #art #kunst #surrealismus #surrealism		Nov 17 08:09
schestowitz__	Oh, c'mon. Prove you're worthy. #XtremeCycling""	Nov 17 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian Developer Resigns From The Systemd	Nov 17 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Maintainership Team http://t.co/V8XGrIvM5k	Nov 17 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	@SerbianLinuks (www.phoronix.com) http://t.co/ILVhingFva	Nov 17 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Debian Developer Resigns From The Systemd Maintainership Team		Nov 17 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	(lists.alioth.debian.org)	Nov 17 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.alioth.debian.org \| Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team		Nov 17 08:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iskuv	Nov 17 08:21
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179495	Nov 17 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: "LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer going to use the LoCo term because they felt it was offensive in spanish" http://benjaminkerensa.com/2014/11/16/loco-stands-for-local-community		Nov 17 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> benjaminkerensa.com \| LoCo stands for Local Community – Benjamin Kerensa [ http://ur1.ca/iskzl ]		Nov 17 08:42
schestowitz__	"Personally, I'd be proud to be called "un poco loco". :)"	Nov 17 08:42
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178413	Nov 17 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Learning about the ball effect ![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-D6HrSsj8u90/VF_xbg53M1I/AAAAAAACeoI/1u637kpcQNs/s1600/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7749-1414605999-18.gif) ![](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hCx5sDCb0X0/VF_xZ7YaifI/AAAAAAACen0/P_hvXPUXQAE/s1600/anigif_enhanced-buzz-21105-1414605875-55.gif) #gif		Nov 17 08:43
schestowitz__	"I'm intrigued that the picture on the wall in the lower image seems unperturbed by the child bouncing off it."	Nov 17 08:43
schestowitz__	"This is the result of lack of imagination and knowledge. Too bad that politicians are like that..."	Nov 17 08:43
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5176433	Nov 17 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:		Nov 17 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by anotherworld@diasp.eu: https://diasp.eu/uploads/images/thumb_medium_2153015f70ea48f74ada.jpg		Nov 17 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by anotherworld@diasp.eu: https://diasp.eu/uploads/images/thumb_medium_2153015f70ea48f74ada.jpg		Nov 17 08:44
schestowitz__	"Well, it is up to you to chose what to believe in. The text itself has no particular force behind it. It is a simple statement of a fact, devoid of any opinion. So in my opinion I find it believable. Even if the man helped only in a fraction of cases, that is beyond the scope of the message. The message boils down to "a man saved a hundred and sixty people during his life". Is it that hard to believe it for you, LW Flouisa?"	Nov 17 08:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178195	Nov 17 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![](https://38.media.tumblr.com/6b140142d022609109c4488560eb93ac/tumblr_nf1vvbrx2z1qhttpto2_1280.jpg)![](https://38.media.tumblr.com/7510d9adf671480ecac966b10f1f4fba/tumblr_nf1vvbrx2z1qhttpto3_1280.jpg)![](https://31.media.tumblr.com/8fad92c22408bd05be0b7db96388a88f/tumblr_nf1vvbrx2z1qhttpto4_1280.jpg)![](https://38.media.tumblr.com/1de0e92524bf3dac719009a9d4c1e182/tumblr_nf1vvbrx2z1qhttpto5_1280.jpg)		Nov 17 08:45
schestowitz__	"It sure feels nice to realise that I am able to read those drawings, even if just a little."	Nov 17 08:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178227	Nov 17 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Animaciones La curiosidad mató al gato jejeje		Nov 17 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by atari130xe@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_089d03f57a879eb47538.gif		Nov 17 08:45
schestowitz__	"Wait - what about the bus behind the glass? It is cut off! O.o"	Nov 17 08:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178419	Nov 17 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Animaciones #Humor "me dás una mano con un empujoncito?" :P		Nov 17 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by atari130xe@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_7d939fa8f6d2dc8c7f92.gif		Nov 17 08:46
schestowitz__	Excellent.""	Nov 17 08:46
schestowitz__	"Excellent."	Nov 17 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.18-rc5 http://t.co/wRlYKozj7q	Nov 17 08:52
TweetTuxMachines	(lkml.iu.edu)	Nov 17 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu \| Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 3.18-rc5		Nov 17 08:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl25	Nov 17 08:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer	Nov 17 08:52
TweetTuxMachines	going to use the LoCo term because they felt it	Nov 17 08:52
TweetTuxMachines	was offensive in spanish"	Nov 17 08:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KTqzDk5MrC (benjaminkerensa.com)	Nov 17 08:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl26	Nov 17 08:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.18-rc5 http://t.co/LwYtrwyiEE	Nov 17 08:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 08:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl27	Nov 17 08:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited '"LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer...'		Nov 17 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ultimate General: Gettysburg, A Tactical Battle	Nov 17 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	Simulator, Released For Linux With A Big Patch	Nov 17 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/g3TO9ea7YW (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 17 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl49	Nov 17 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Ultimate General: Gettysburg, A Tactical Battle Simulator, Released For Linux With A Big Patch \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 17 09:01
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4893544	Nov 17 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If Google actually cared about standards it would have sped up the adoption of #odf #ogg and #WebRTC - but Google does it its own way.		Nov 17 09:04
schestowitz__	"Google blows. I'm over them."	Nov 17 09:04
schestowitz__	"Google is piece by piece decomissioning it's major open source initiatives and replacing them with closed source, closed standards, centralized software running off their network. Android's once Free mail app seems to be the latest casualty in Android 5, catching up with XMPP chat, Android SMS management, Google Reader > G+ etc."	Nov 17 09:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Gear S now on Amazon India for Rs	Nov 17 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	27,900 http://t.co/FfiK2SWxtK	Nov 17 09:20
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl94	Nov 17 09:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Android’s ‘Lollipop’ upgrade is sweet	Nov 17 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uiaMPh3HLs (seattletimes.com)	Nov 17 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl95	Nov 17 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-seattletimes.com \| Review: Android’s ‘Lollipop’ upgrade is sweet \| Business & Technology \| The Seattle Times		Nov 17 09:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Android’s ‘Lollipop’ upgrade is sweet	Nov 17 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M9bACejU6a (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islab	Nov 17 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Review: Android’s ‘Lollipop’ upgrade is sweet \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for	Nov 17 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Touch – Video http://t.co/FQFWWpcNEw	Nov 17 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islac	Nov 17 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for Ubuntu Touch – Video \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17 RC "Rebecca" MATE Is Out and	Nov 17 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	Features Full Compiz Support – Screenshot Tour	Nov 17 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lryubcOZy0 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islae	Nov 17 09:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/534272526785216513	Nov 17 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Labour seems likely to win next year's #uk election based on recent polls https://t.co/QK0LGWkKuR whatever keeps 'Conservatives' out...		Nov 17 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org \| Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Nov 17 09:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179594	Nov 17 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Labour seems likely to win next year's #uk election based on recent polls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2014 whatever keeps 'Conservatives' out...		Nov 17 09:48
schestowitz	"Tactical voting died off when people realised tories/lib/lab are ALL the SAME. I'm personally voting green, I want to inhale oxygen in the 2050's, rather than, you know, be dead."	Nov 17 09:48
schestowitz	"The main parties also have declared a war on privacy, they literally all hate it."	Nov 17 09:48
schestowitz	I'd never vote for these parties, but then again, I don't control the overall outcome	Nov 17 09:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179483	Nov 17 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ORG calls for political parties to state their position on surveillance https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press/releases/org-call-for-political-parties-to-state-their-position-on-surveillance #uk #surveillance		Nov 17 09:49
schestowitz	"Labour: Introduced RIPA - conclusion, hates privacy Lib/Con: bought in lots of censorship tools, supported gchq, increase in public CCTV- conclusion, hates privacy. I suspect the Greens being activists and all will oppose surveillance."	Nov 17 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.openrightsgroup.org \| Open Rights Group - ORG calls for political parties to state their position on surveillance [ http://ur1.ca/islg7 ]		Nov 17 09:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179804	Nov 17 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Russian Law Demanding User Data Remain On Russian Soil Could Turn Into A Ban On Apple Products https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141106/09204629065/russian-law-demanding-user-data-remain-russian-soil-could-turn-into-ban-apple-products.shtml #apple #russia		Nov 17 10:37
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| Russian Law Demanding User Data Remain On Russian Soil Could Turn Into A Ban On Apple Products \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/islpj ]		Nov 17 10:37
schestowitz	Judging from the tone of the article, I think techdirt is trying to convince us that keeping user data out of the reach of the NSA and the US government is instead an attempt by Russia to censor the internet, and they appear a bit critical against #Snowden as well...	Nov 17 10:37
schestowitz	besides, I think Facebook is already considering installing local servers in Russia for the Russian users to comply with the regulation, so it's no big deal to be done.	Nov 17 10:37
schestowitz	Plus, f@ck Apple! :-)	Nov 17 10:37
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 10:37
schestowitz	Not just Apple would be affected.	Nov 17 10:37
MinceR	yet it may very well be an attempt on russia's side to censor the internet	Nov 17 10:37
MinceR	and/or spy on it like the nsa does	Nov 17 10:38
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to MinceR		Nov 17 10:38
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179783	Nov 17 10:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Either you're for an internet driver's license or you're for child molestation: which is it?" https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141110/11592629097/ontario-police-inspector-says-he-wants-drivers-license-internet.shtml #police #canada		Nov 17 10:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| Ontario Police Inspector Says He Wants A 'Driver's License For The Internet' \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/islpn ]		Nov 17 10:38
schestowitz	"Wow!"	Nov 17 10:38
schestowitz	MinceR: yes, of course	Nov 17 10:38
MinceR	i'm for child molestation, apparently	Nov 17 10:38
MinceR	hurray for the catholic church.	Nov 17 10:38
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179495	Nov 17 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: "LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer going to use the LoCo term because they felt it was offensive in spanish" http://benjaminkerensa.com/2014/11/16/loco-stands-for-local-community		Nov 17 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> benjaminkerensa.com \| LoCo stands for Local Community – Benjamin Kerensa [ http://ur1.ca/iskzl ]		Nov 17 11:00
schestowitz	"Well, you would feel offended if you were called a "nutjob" ;)"	Nov 17 11:00
schestowitz	"Personally, I'd be proud to be called "un poco loco". :)"	Nov 17 11:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for	Nov 17 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Touch – Video http://t.co/lPhaxAQUOp	Nov 17 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Nov 17 11:06
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islv1	Nov 17 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17 RC "Rebecca" MATE Is Out and	Nov 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Features Full Compiz Support – Screenshot Tour	Nov 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hj25NBnjDU (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islv3	Nov 17 11:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 14.10 Utopic Unicorn : Video	Nov 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Overview and Screenshot Tours	Nov 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JC9Wy1jevT (linuxscoop.com)	Nov 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islv4	Nov 17 11:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 RC "Rebecca" Cinnamon	Nov 17 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	Officially Released – Screenshot Tour	Nov 17 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YZ9sA1D3yQ (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 17 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islvn	Nov 17 11:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away	Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	Anytime Soon http://t.co/JTespqumCy	Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 17 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away Anytime Soon - Softpedia		Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isly2	Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 14.10 Utopic Unicorn : Video	Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	Overview and Screenshot Tours	Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TDRngoyGbj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isly5	Nov 17 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Kylin 14.10 Utopic Unicorn : Video Overview and Screenshot Tours \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away	Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	Anytime Soon http://t.co/wd2jGrFjv9	Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isly7	Nov 17 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away Anytime Soon \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 11:18
schestowitz	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2iZOH1CMAEzy-Q.jpg	Nov 17 11:31
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/885f46404ef701321e0a00259069449e	Nov 17 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fabdo@pod.geraspora.de: werde wohl gleich mal in bett gehen - gähn		Nov 17 11:31
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179624	Nov 17 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for Ubuntu Touch – Video http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Developer-Creates-Gorgeous-New-Radial-Menu-for-Ubuntu-Touch-Video-465056.shtml		Nov 17 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com \| Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for Ubuntu Touch – Video - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/ism1e ]		Nov 17 11:32
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 11:32
schestowitz	Leszek Lesner	Nov 17 11:32
schestowitz	Nice but I don't see any benefit currently for the menu and one hand useage. If the circles all open up when you pulled the menu to the middle of the screen on a >5 " you won't be able to reach all the menu items.	Nov 17 11:32
schestowitz	Such menu would make perfect sense if you could just point onto one menuitem without letting go after dragging the menu from the bottom up and when let go the pointed menu item will be executed.	Nov 17 11:32
schestowitz	I already implemented one solution for this in the webcat browser for sailfishos. But it works and looks more like a toolbar rather than that fancy circles here.	Nov 17 11:32
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 RC "Rebecca" Cinnamon	Nov 17 12:12
TweetTuxMachines	Officially Released – Screenshot Tour	Nov 17 12:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4njLFdvpt3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 12:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ismbc	Nov 17 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 17.1 RC "Rebecca" Cinnamon Officially Released – Screenshot Tour \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 12:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4 ways Docker is remaking Linux	Nov 17 12:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UmfTSpDg48 (www.infoworld.com)	Nov 17 12:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ismbe	Nov 17 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com \| 4 ways Docker is remaking Linux \| InfoWorld		Nov 17 12:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4 ways Docker is remaking Linux	Nov 17 12:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aqHibwtFj4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 12:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ismbf	Nov 17 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 4 ways Docker is remaking Linux \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 12:13
*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited 'Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away...'		Nov 17 12:13
*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited 'Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away...'		Nov 17 13:35
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/leonelnc/status/534314876252848128	Nov 17 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@leonelnc: @schestowitz and where is mono in linux now? Irrelevant even with the .net source released still irrelevant, I hope the same for systemd		Nov 17 18:56
MinceR	i doubt it's the same for systemd	Nov 17 19:57
MinceR	systemd already killed debian	Nov 17 19:57
MinceR	and the fedora/red hat family	Nov 17 19:58
schestowitz	not in that order	Nov 17 19:58
schestowitz	I think Debian might still have a way out	Nov 17 19:58
MinceR	well, to me, debian was a lot more important to fedora	Nov 17 20:02
MinceR	and afaict the only way out would be to cancel the freeze or cancel jessie entirely	Nov 17 20:02
MinceR	and go back to sanity	Nov 17 20:02
schestowitz	do they already have systemd at its code?	Nov 17 21:15
MinceR	jessie will install systemd by default	Nov 17 21:16
MinceR	and if you dist-upgrade, it will force you to systemd	Nov 17 21:16
MinceR	and they'll happily break sysvinit on it	Nov 17 21:16
MinceR	so i'm not going to install it	Nov 17 21:16
MinceR	also, i'm tired of hopping distros to avoid stupid shit like this	Nov 17 21:16
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schestowitz	> Dear Mr. Schestowitz,	Nov 17 21:59
schestowitz	> thanks for your mail. Once again we would like to thank you very much	Nov 17 21:59
schestowitz	> for your help and efforts you're going to make.	Nov 17 21:59
schestowitz	>	Nov 17 21:59
schestowitz	> Good luck!	Nov 17 21:59
schestowitz	>	Nov 17 21:59
schestowitz	>	Nov 17 21:59
schestowitz	>	Nov 17 21:59
schestowitz	> Bst rgds,	Nov 17 21:59
schestowitz	>	Nov 17 22:00
schestowitz	> Ingrid / No Corruption	Nov 17 22:00
schestowitz	If anything new comes up, I'm here to listen.	Nov 17 22:00
MinceR	gn	Nov 17 22:35
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178844	Nov 17 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Debian Developer Resigns From The #Systemd Maintainership Team http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg0MTY http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-systemd-maintainers/2014-November/004563.html		Nov 17 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Debian Developer Resigns From The Systemd Maintainership Team [ http://ur1.ca/iskp0 ]		Nov 17 23:49
schestowitz	"Oh, and by the way, I did eventually solve the booting problem on my notebook. PC-BSD, which is FreeBSD under the hood, installed successfully."	Nov 17 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> lists.alioth.debian.org \| Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team [ http://ur1.ca/isi58 ]		Nov 17 23:49
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 23:49
schestowitz	Kudos for you David, that sounds encouraging. =)	Nov 17 23:49
schestowitz	I change slowly but surely, I do not like sudden changes since I might be missing something that I would not notice until some time has passed. Today I'm installing my second OpenBSD virtual "production" server, another nginx reverse proxy, and I have another 5 OpenBSD servers for testing and patching purposes.	Nov 17 23:49
schestowitz	I still have like 50 Debian virtual servers and 5 physical machines so there is no need to rush, and so far I'm impressed with OpenBSD so if this keeps going I might have only OpenBSD servers in two or three years.	Nov 17 23:49
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	I like the idea of OpenBSD better than I like it in actual practice.	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	But for you, I can see how it makes a lot of sense. With the number of systems you're looking at, it makes sense to be conservative, which OpenBSD is.	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	The problem I foresee is getting OpenBSD installed on virtual servers. Unless you control the hosting yourself, it is unlikely that OpenBSD is an option for installation. Of course, with 50 of them, you might be a big enough customer that they might accommodate you. ;-)	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	It's too conservative for me. I like more recent software and FreeBSD keeps me pretty close to up-to-date.	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	OpenBSD is not perfect, for example, there is more software for FreeBSD but even so it's working for me and so far I'm happy with it.	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	All my servers are personal servers and I host them in my house, I have three physical servers and like 60 virtual ones. I find management of servers with only one kind of software easier than having everything cramped in one server. I'm finishing migrating all my servers from Squeeze to Wheezy and if I had all of my software in a single server that would have been a nightmare.	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	I'm conservative and do not like unnecessary sudden changes, maybe that's why I like OpenBSD. =)	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	And I just finished substituting the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD reverse proxy with an OpenBSD one and so far everything seems fine. This server in particular is the access to my Diaspora pod. Two OpenBSD production servers so far. =)	Nov 17 23:50
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 23:50
cubexyz	openbsd is pretty good	Nov 17 23:53
cubexyz	there's a term that describes what I do with computers	Nov 17 23:57
cubexyz	"Brownfield Architecture"	Nov 17 23:57
cubexyz	it just means that legacy systems are incorporated into a network	Nov 17 23:57
gde33	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul5oQ3wbstQ	Nov 18 00:35
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DaemonFC	Yesterday was the 41st anniversary of Richard Nixon's "I am not a crook." speech.	Nov 18 06:51
DaemonFC	Fedora is apparently deciding whether or not they want to keep Firefox as the default web browser. Some are suggesting going with Epiphany (GNOME Web).	Nov 18 06:53
DaemonFC	Apparently, the final straw was the New Tab advertisements.	Nov 18 06:53
MinceR	who cares, it's PoetteringOS	Nov 18 06:54
DaemonFC	It works well enough.	Nov 18 07:02
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schestowitz__	morning all, house move completed, now we can be more productive again	Nov 18 09:10
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/534635879793696768	Nov 18 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: @schestowitz The nice things about open source is that people create forks... http://t.co/YzW474fxon #systemd		Nov 18 09:17
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schestowitz__	If nobody ever forks, then the promise of forks (control by users or people with similar interests and development skills) is in vain	Nov 18 09:18
MinceR	it would be better to not need forking (or dealing with at all) with inherently braindead software	Nov 18 09:21
schestowitz__	"bizarre! CIA wanted him dead FBI wanted him alive(?)...excellent communication"	Nov 18 09:21
schestowitz__	re https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fschestowitz%2Fstatus%2F522827733236064256%3Fcn%3DcmVwbHk%253D&t=1&cn=cmVwbHk%3D&sig=6903d9e5495d090a7ab7c3bb83264737e732c02d&iid=744c165f5df3473aa53e143977fc1d2e&uid=26603208&nid=27+1287	Nov 18 09:22
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/522827733236064256?cn=cmVwbHk%3D	Nov 18 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremyscahill @ioerror Based on recent reports+FOIA, his father had been communicating with FBI (like an informant). Burying evidence?		Nov 18 09:22
MinceR	some real demand for a Schroedinger's Cat device	Nov 18 09:22
MinceR	http://kep.cdn.index.hu/1/0/719/7196/71960/7196091_5dfb0f1ab53782e3ca0d0dffd721a898_wm.jpg	Nov 18 09:42
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/redhatman/status/534641512362303488	Nov 18 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redhatman: @schestowitz @bob_moss incredible		Nov 18 09:45
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/vlfig/status/534643620167839744	Nov 18 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@vlfig: @schestowitz a much more totally legitimate content.		Nov 18 09:46
msb__	MinceR: Hi! Do you have a link for Schroedinger's Cat device? this is a map of english-speakers http://kep.cdn.index.hu/1/0/719/7196/71960/7196091_5dfb0f1ab53782e3ca0d0dffd721a898_wm.jpg	Nov 18 09:51
MinceR	i don't	Nov 18 09:51
MinceR	the two lines were intended to be independent :>	Nov 18 09:51
msb__	Ah. Thanks.	Nov 18 09:51
MinceR	the device was regarding the CIA vs. FBI thing	Nov 18 09:51
MinceR	the map shows that hungarians are the worst at this too	Nov 18 09:52
MinceR	that is, speaking english	Nov 18 09:52
msb__	Well, you're good at it!	Nov 18 09:52
msb__	And have produced some good mathematicians and scientists, right?	Nov 18 09:54
msb__	And music.	Nov 18 09:54
schestowitz__	> “I would force an ICT supplier offering an open source	Nov 18 09:58
schestowitz__	> office suite to include the costs for redevelopment of	Nov 18 09:58
schestowitz__	> all those links in the price”	Nov 18 09:58
schestowitz__	>	Nov 18 09:58
schestowitz__	> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/licence-fine-forces-town-drop-move-alternative-office-tools	Nov 18 09:58
schestowitz__	>	Nov 18 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu \| Licence fine forces town to drop move to alternative office tools \| Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/isx2z ]		Nov 18 09:58
schestowitz__	> sunk cost fallacy. Also hostile CIO, see quote. He's trying to turn	Nov 18 09:58
schestowitz__	> the following on its head:	Nov 18 09:58
schestowitz__	> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/tco-should-include-exit-costs-and-cost-vendor-lock	Nov 18 09:58
schestowitz__	>	Nov 18 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu \| 'TCO should include exit costs and cost of vendor lock-in' \| Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/affrl ]		Nov 18 09:58
schestowitz__	> In other words, migration blocked by one of M$' fifth columnists.	Nov 18 09:58
MinceR	most of whom had to leave the country to use their talent	Nov 18 10:01
MinceR	re mathematicians and scientists	Nov 18 10:01
MinceR	etc	Nov 18 10:01
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msb__	From Hungary: http://www.funpic.hu/_files/pictures/630/1/36/3601.jpg	Nov 18 10:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Licence fine forces town to drop move to	Nov 18 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	alternative office tools http://t.co/Vz6uWLbnxO	Nov 18 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isxce	Nov 18 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Licence fine forces town to drop move to alternative office tools \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Build Awesome Android Apps	Nov 18 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y81GzJfhPA (www.junauza.com)	Nov 18 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isxcf	Nov 18 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.junauza.com \| How to Build Awesome Android Apps \| TechSource		Nov 18 10:18
msb__	Article about "licence fees" is afraid to use the name GoddamnMicrosoft.	Nov 18 10:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Unofficial Lubuntu 14.10 Image Using LXQt	Nov 18 10:45
TweetTuxMachines	Has Been Released http://t.co/KYmmbQd4BB	Nov 18 10:45
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxg.net)	Nov 18 10:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isxpk	Nov 18 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| An Unofficial Lubuntu 14.10 Image Using LXQt Has Been Released \| LinuxG.net		Nov 18 10:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PC-BSD 10.1-RELEASE Now Available	Nov 18 10:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wuivf0DW6Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 10:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isxpo	Nov 18 10:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Build Awesome Android Apps	Nov 18 10:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZCadqjWs7u (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 10:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isxpr	Nov 18 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to Build Awesome Android Apps \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 10:45
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/534656753523507201	Nov 18 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: @schestowitz if there is demand/pressure/pain it will happen. See X11, libre office, wodim, linux sound deamons, ...		Nov 18 10:49
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/jimkillock/status/534659214841741312	Nov 18 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jimkillock: @schestowitz Their advice is here: https://t.co/TCOiESFRqo - basically, tell them via Twitter! @O2		Nov 18 10:49
schestowitz__	Thank you	Nov 18 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.blocked.org.uk \| Unblock a site		Nov 18 10:49
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/NetworkString/status/534660534487236608	Nov 18 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NetworkString: @jimkillock @schestowitz @O2 also try emailing to ask them to unblock or give a deadlock letter to launch an ADR (Costs them ~£300 a time)		Nov 18 10:54
schestowitz__	What's ADR about?	Nov 18 10:54
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179495	Nov 18 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: "LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer going to use the LoCo term because they felt it was offensive in spanish" http://benjaminkerensa.com/2014/11/16/loco-stands-for-local-community		Nov 18 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> benjaminkerensa.com \| LoCo stands for Local Community – Benjamin Kerensa [ http://ur1.ca/iskzl ]		Nov 18 10:58
schestowitz__	"One dear friends of ours calls my wife "loca lady" as a term of endearment. It really depends on the context."	Nov 18 10:58
schestowitz__	It might also say a bit about his relationship with the wife	Nov 18 10:58
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/NetworkString/status/534661300295852032	Nov 18 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NetworkString: @schestowitz @jimkillock @O2 Alternative Dispute Resolution. Basically industry ombudsmen to resolve customer/ISP disputes.		Nov 18 10:58
schestowitz__	I'll check it out	Nov 18 10:58
MinceR	msb__: yeah, that's a good one	Nov 18 11:19
MinceR	http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/5c92bca/2147483647/resize/652x%3E/format/png/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2Fb9%2F70%2F2045f1df48f58df2b4dff62b45df%2F20141114edhan-a.tif	Nov 18 11:20
msb__	MinceR: "One World, One Web, One Program." - Microsoft Promotional Ad. "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer." - Adolf Hitler	Nov 18 11:21
MinceR	Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Drive.	Nov 18 11:21
MinceR	geekings	Nov 18 11:22
msb__	MinceR: Superb movie about the results of landing a spaceship on a comet: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089489/combined Dir: Tobe Hooper Writers: Colin Wilson, Dan O'Bannon	Nov 18 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| Lifeforce (1985) [ http://ur1.ca/isy9j ]		Nov 18 11:29
msb__	MinceR: Available in the usual naughty places. Not to be missed!	Nov 18 11:29
MinceR	:)	Nov 18 11:30
msb__	How's the real comet lander doing? Is it back on the air?	Nov 18 11:31
msb__	Should have had an atomic battery.	Nov 18 11:32
msb__	But those are out of favor because if they fall back to Earth and disintegrate, everything dies. Maybe. Pussies!	Nov 18 11:33
MinceR	dunno	Nov 18 11:34
msb__	Supposedly will wake up in the Spring: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/11/17/scientists-confident-comet-lander-will-wake-up-again/	Nov 18 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com \| Scientists ‘confident’ comet lander will wake up again \| Fox News [ http://ur1.ca/isybq ]		Nov 18 11:36
MinceR	you can tell it's Fox Noise because they scare quote the word "confident" when it applies to their arch nemeses, scientists	Nov 18 11:37
msb__	Maybe it will then send back a picture of Mathilda May!	Nov 18 11:37
msb__	I try to focus my mind on the movie/TV worlds -- often better than the real one.	Nov 18 11:39
msb__	Fox is good for plane/train crashes and such.	Nov 18 11:44
msb__	MinceR: What means "scare quote"? I think they're just saying that the statement is open to a certain amount of doubt, because the lander wasn't supposed to fall into a crack and lose power in the first place.	Nov 18 11:47
MinceR	i think they're saying that the statement is open to a certain amount of doubt because they firmly believe that the earth is flat and the stars and comets are painted on the firmament.	Nov 18 11:48
msb__	It's like an episode of "Big Bang Theory".	Nov 18 11:48
MinceR	they also believe that the moon landing was faked in a studio.	Nov 18 11:48
MinceR	they're fringe republicans.	Nov 18 11:49
msb__	gold fringe on the flag republicans	Nov 18 11:49
MinceR	:)	Nov 18 11:49
msb__	I don't think the fake-moon-landing theory is particularly right-wing.	Nov 18 11:52
msb__	And it's only one landing, not all of them. And there is some evidence, supposedly.	Nov 18 11:52
msb__	Anyhow, I love the _Apollo 13_ movie. I keep playing the takeoff sequence.	Nov 18 11:54
MinceR	http://motherboard.vice.com/read/huxleyed-into-the-full-cory-orwell-cory-doctorow	Nov 18 12:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Unofficial Lubuntu 14.10 Image Using LXQt	Nov 18 12:34
TweetTuxMachines	Has Been Released http://t.co/0pR8w6wtJ5	Nov 18 12:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 12:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isz4e	Nov 18 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| An Unofficial Lubuntu 14.10 Image Using LXQt Has Been Released \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 12:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A GUI for Your CLI? http://t.co/fjE8vbEmst	Nov 18 12:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 12:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isz4h	Nov 18 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A GUI for Your CLI? \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 12:35
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/philliphaydon/status/534662867383885825	Nov 18 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@philliphaydon: @khellang I don't think @schestowitz has any idea what hes talking about, only read about 3/4 before i gave up on reading his PR rant.		Nov 18 15:36
schestowitz__	PR? Look what's talking... Microsoft.	Nov 18 15:36
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179495	Nov 18 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: "LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer going to use the LoCo term because they felt it was offensive in spanish" http://benjaminkerensa.com/2014/11/16/loco-stands-for-local-community		Nov 18 16:01
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schestowitz__	"Seriously though, while I make jest, I don't actually blame Spanish speakers for speaking up if this offends them. It just doesn't offend me. I fully accept though, that I'm a pretty atypical measure of what society finds offensive though."	Nov 18 16:01
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/philliphaydon/status/534734776297459712 https://twitter.com/philliphaydon/status/534734934422745089	Nov 18 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@philliphaydon: @schestowitz @khellang Yeah, MS opened source .NET and made the free version of VS useful and you're having a massive cry.		Nov 18 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@philliphaydon: @schestowitz @khellang "ohh noo MS announced something I disagree with, I'm so butthurt now"		Nov 18 16:04
schestowitz__	very mature of you. Trying to impose patent lockin on the world (there are lapses on the "promise") is not good	Nov 18 16:04
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/khellang/status/534661783244767232	Nov 18 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@khellang: WTF? RT @janiszt: .Net is NOT "open source" http://t.co/nL28D8U9Xi #dotnet #dotnetopen #opensource		Nov 18 16:10
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Hushes/status/534743084039667712	Nov 18 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Hushes: @schestowitz @FAIRmediawatch I am amazed how no one asks McConnell and company examples of his moving to the center.		Nov 18 16:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Release Notes for Grml 2014.11	Nov 18 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JGHJOKPNca (grml.org)	Nov 18 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/itaw2	Nov 18 16:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines digiKam Software Collection 4.5.0 released...	Nov 18 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/CxK54ZRQ0g (www.digikam.org)	Nov 18 16:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digikam.org \| digiKam Software Collection 4.5.0 released... \| digiKam - Photo Management Program		Nov 18 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Release Notes for Grml 2014.11	Nov 18 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/abwe8yDPrx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/itawn	Nov 18 16:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines digiKam Software Collection 4.5.0 released...	Nov 18 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pefWg7HKs1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ite2n	Nov 18 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| digiKam Software Collection 4.5.0 released... \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Black Lab Professional Desktop 6.0 Service	Nov 18 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	Release 2 Available Now http://t.co/KMdc9WbFYC	Nov 18 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pc-opensystems.com)	Nov 18 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pc-opensystems.com \| Black Lab Software Inc.: Black Lab Professional Desktop 6.0 Service Release 2 Available Now		Nov 18 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ite2t	Nov 18 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux extremists owe Debian systemd maintainer	Nov 18 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	an apology http://t.co/RjHymvQoty	Nov 18 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	(jimlynch.com)	Nov 18 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jimlynch.com \| Linux extremists owe Debian systemd maintainer an apology		Nov 18 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ite2w	Nov 18 17:08
gde33	http://www.ted.com/talks/william_mcdonough_on_cradle_to_cradle_design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfQHvmYEOVI	Nov 18 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ted.com \| William McDonough: Cradle to cradle design \| Talk Video \| TED.com [ http://ur1.ca/iteez ]		Nov 18 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| William McDonough and Thomas Darden - UNC Kenan-Flagler - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/itef0 ]		Nov 18 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UbuTricks 14.11.17 Released with Support for 6	Nov 18 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	New Apps, 20 Updated Apps	Nov 18 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Kr32J4xScZ (www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 18 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/itefz	Nov 18 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| UbuTricks 14.11.17 Released with Support for 6 New Apps, 20 Updated Apps \| TuxArena Apps		Nov 18 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Can India break the pattern and do open source	Nov 18 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	right? http://t.co/n97qsCllN0	Nov 18 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iteg4	Nov 18 17:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux extremists owe Debian systemd maintainer	Nov 18 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	an apology http://t.co/SgFoBdZlwm	Nov 18 17:17
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schestowitz__	testing http://tuxmachines.org	Nov 18 17:19
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schestowitz__	it's just me then	Nov 18 17:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UbuTricks 14.11.17 Released with Support for 6	Nov 18 18:28
TweetTuxMachines	New Apps, 20 Updated Apps	Nov 18 18:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/utphnQSvin (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 18:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/itf3c	Nov 18 18:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/wdm1PyjmmA	Nov 18 18:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 18/11/2014: Linux 3.18 RC 5, New DigiKam	Nov 18 18:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/xRFhGpAGaM	Nov 18 20:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/m6o0IzejBG	Nov 18 20:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/r51vmgqiL6	Nov 18 20:58
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DaemonFC	I ran the Windows 8.1 November update. It was the size of a freaking service pack.	Nov 18 23:21
DaemonFC	They've been doing this every month.	Nov 18 23:21
DaemonFC	Then the emergency patch for that 19 year old bug.	Nov 18 23:21
schestowitz__	bug door?	Nov 19 00:38
cubexyz	VBscript vulnerability	Nov 19 00:43
DaemonFC	Yeah. Then you have to run Disk Cleanup after every update to clear the fucking mess that Windows Update left all over your Solid State drive. :P	Nov 19 00:45
cubexyz	I'm surprised you're using windows 8	Nov 19 00:46
DaemonFC	Came with the computer. Never got around to getting rid of it.	Nov 19 00:46
DaemonFC	If you never run disk cleanup, then after several of these update rollup packs, you're looking at 5-6 GB of wasted drive space for archived versions of the old files, in case you have to back one of them out.	Nov 19 00:47
DaemonFC	If you clear them and the update turns out to be broken, there's nothing to roll back to.	Nov 19 00:47
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cubexyz	I wrote a bash script called big-pigs.sh a while back	Nov 19 00:49
cubexyz	finds large files	Nov 19 00:49
DaemonFC	Well, Microsoft has a nasty habit of releasing a totally broken new OS, and then chipping away at the bugs over the course of a few years, until it finally works OK. Then they release a new OS and nobody wants to touch it.	Nov 19 00:50
DaemonFC	People don't remember that Windows XP was like that.	Nov 19 00:50
DaemonFC	When it was new, everyone had severe problems with it.	Nov 19 00:50
cubexyz	du --max-depth 5 -h \| egrep "[0-9]+G.\|[5-9][0-9][0-9]M."	Nov 19 00:50
cubexyz	max-depth 5 so it's not too slow	Nov 19 00:50
DaemonFC	So, Windows 8.1 is at a point now where it's good enough to work with. They've fixed several hundred bugs.	Nov 19 00:51
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cubexyz	I thought xp was awful	Nov 19 00:53
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cubexyz	but my opinion really hasn't changed since windows 2.0	Nov 19 00:54
cubexyz	I actually have a (somewhat snobby) friend who never tires of telling me he's never used windows :)	Nov 19 00:55
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cubexyz	Acer TravelMate Series	Nov 19 01:12
cubexyz	Linpus, which isn't my favourite but I suppose you could just install something else	Nov 19 01:13
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MinceR	afaict all winblows versions were horrible	Nov 19 07:30
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MinceR	geekings	Nov 19 09:26
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cubexyz	new blog post:	Nov 19 16:57
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cubexyz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/2014/11/thoughts-on-systemd.html	Nov 19 16:57
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535117336584667137 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535116114070888448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535115644178796545	Nov 19 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Thoughts on #Systemd http://t.co/5M8HetDjt1 #linux #kernel		Nov 19 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Hands-On: New KaOS Linux Release http://t.co/mgAPAZ4kWz #kaos #gnu #linux		Nov 19 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Hands-On: New KaOS Linux Release \| ZDNet		Nov 19 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux still owns supercomputing http://t.co/srz08z4ejF #gnu #linux #server #hpc		Nov 19 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Linux still owns supercomputing \| ZDNet		Nov 19 17:14
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535114671515512832 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535007546613182464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535006787729387520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535005395597938688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535004455008489472 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535002545283149824	Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 3.5 years ago I ranted about #bt management of broadband activation. This time they got it perfectly right, so it's not always all bad.		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #LinuxOutlaws Ride Into the Sunset http://t.co/hITLHhazxE		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fossforce.com \| Linux Outlaws Ride Into the Sunset \| FOSS Force		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #SolydX ISOs 201411 http://t.co/AYxi9zkglB "SolydX is a Debian based distribution with the Xfce desktop."		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> solydxk.com \| ISOs 201411 \| SolydXK		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Introducing 300,000 People to Linux http://t.co/evVHEJK2rg #linux #kernel		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxfoundation.org \| Introducing 300,000 People to Linux \| The Linux Foundation		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Interview with OpenStand Advocate Tim Berners-Lee http://t.co/FUKO1YPQQx wow, video requires Flash to watch, but TimBL supports even DRM		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> open-stand.org \| Interview with OpenStand Advocate Tim Berners-Lee: The Internet Turns 25 \| OpenStand		Nov 19 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GNU Guix 0.8 released http://t.co/aQO4lgWBdy #gnu #guix		Nov 19 17:15
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535001946575626240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535001614495784960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535001341647945729 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000953532190720	Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ferguson Protests And Fox News' Contempt For Free Speech http://t.co/4DVlCKI54G they bring racists on the show, too		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mediamatters.org \| Ferguson Protests And Fox News' Contempt For Free Speech \| Blog \| Media Matters for America		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: No Debate on War http://t.co/0cuwNoiv7h only what KIND of war. It's a loaded question about war.		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fair.org \| No Debate on War		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Billionaires Push #ALEC Agenda in #Minneapolis School Board Election http://t.co/Hy367Dqa3T		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.prwatch.org \| Billionaires Push ALEC Agenda in Minneapolis School Board Election \| PR Watch		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When #noip UNIX/Linux-based "cloud" suffered an outage it was #microsoft fault too. Microsoft took them down. http://t.co/XZFioqwyFV		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft Sabotaging No-IP Rather Than Admitting Its Own Failures, Time for Class Action Seems Right as List of Affected Domains Collected \| Techrights		Nov 19 17:16
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000610270351360 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000421203718144 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000230148993024	Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Over the years #techrights has covered many outages of #azure and other Windows "cloud". Some lasted a whole day.		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #microsoft 'engineers' have already tried closing and opening Azure, restarting Windows etc. That must have exhausted their skillset.		Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Where's your data? "The cloud"? Bad enough. Does it run UNIX/Linux? No? Then don't be shocked that it's offline. #microsoft #azure #windows		Nov 19 17:16
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/cloudpundit/status/534899403933622272 https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/534918486493913088 https://twitter.com/koolhead17/status/534945638002065408 https://twitter.com/MvNAtWork/status/534996839263928321	Nov 19 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cloudpundit: Multi-region Azure outages are made even worse by the fact that they generally impact ALL regions not just several.		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRegister: Having Microsoft Azure problems? It's not you, it's Redmond. Storage service is wobbly this evening http://t.co/qOdes52apm		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> azure.microsoft.com \| Azure Status		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@koolhead17: Vendor X: Our cloud is enterprise ready. Customer: MSFT is enterprise leader and Azure goes down every now and then.		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MvNAtWork: The weirdest aspect of the @Azure outage is that the Azure Status page (http://t.co/HLfqZ70OBV) is downplaying it...		Nov 19 17:17
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/534991933031342080 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/534990627457736704	Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #uk ISP #o2 is now preventing me from accessing the official #identica link shortener ur1 dot ca unless I give my ID to use this 'porn' site		Nov 19 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: South East in Winter http://t.co/U7WtXrzCLC some background: http://t.co/gJ1lawmGbT #photography #november #uk		Nov 19 17:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org \| Vacation Photos \| Tux Machines		Nov 19 17:17
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535119958020481025	Nov 19 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "For-the-children" #censorship filters in the #uk have thoroughly broken mobile broadband in the UK. Thankfully I'm moving back to wired.		Nov 19 17:18
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George__	Anyone there? Not sure if I'm in the right place, but I think someone's spamming the frontpage at TuxMachines ?	Nov 19 18:36
cubexyz	I think the spiderman post is spam, yes	Nov 19 18:38
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schestowitz__	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc6iujyWhp1qj88rjo1_500.jpg	Nov 19 18:56
MinceR	:)	Nov 19 19:00
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gde33	http://betanews.com/2014/11/19/republicans-vote-against-usa-freedom-act-that-would-have-limited-nsa-surveillance/	Nov 19 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com \| Republicans vote against USA Freedom Act that would have limited NSA surveillance [ http://ur1.ca/itr43 ]		Nov 19 19:18
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/ralpost/status/535133176407277568	Nov 19 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ralpost: @schestowitz Just a heads-up, this just arrived in my RSS reader http://t.co/YP0QRUqPCb		Nov 19 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/70933 )		Nov 19 19:19
gde33	I'm looking for interesting opml files / rss lists	Nov 19 19:20
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lirodon	Microsoft's Yahoo-branded front-end of Bing is going to be Firefox's new default search engine	Nov 19 23:34
schestowitz__	yes, rianne saw that	Nov 19 23:48
schestowitz__	And I am going to chastise Mozilla over this	Nov 19 23:49
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gde33	schestowitz__: google search is nice but the corporation is destroying the web	Nov 20 00:55
gde33	of course funneling all the traffic into bing is not really an improvement	Nov 20 00:56
gde33	a bit like an election between bush and clinton -.-	Nov 20 00:56
gde33	I'm happy they put ads on the enhanced new tab page	Nov 20 00:56
gde33	that way they have more than 1 revenue stream	Nov 20 00:57
cubexyz	there's Blekko	Nov 20 01:59
cubexyz	adding blekko to firefox is easy	Nov 20 02:01
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MinceR	m$ is destroying the web harder	Nov 20 07:15
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roy_	Positive experience changing and registering details with NPower and United Utilities.	Nov 20 13:00
roy_	almost done here setting things up and resuming articles...	Nov 20 13:01
roy_	Looks more and more like Windows Phone...	Nov 20 13:10
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5192240	Nov 20 13:10
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roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5192212	Nov 20 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 15 Android Apps That Will Make Your iPhone Friends Jealous http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2014/11/17/cue-the-smacktalk-red-hat-and-mirantis-face-off/		Nov 20 13:10
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roy_	"The title does not match the link :)"	Nov 20 13:10
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roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5183501	Nov 20 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Wow. The #uk "porn" filter is now blocking my site othellomaster.com (Free software game). I found out by navigating via #o2 -blocked!		Nov 20 15:16
roy_	"That's fscked up. Maybe due to "hell" in the domain? That would be hilarious!"	Nov 20 15:16
roy_	""UK government porn filters... putting the Hell back into hilarious.""	Nov 20 15:16
roy_	"Are you aware of the blocked! project (https://www.blocked.org.uk) run by #OpenRightsGroup"	Nov 20 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.blocked.org.uk \| Report mobile and Internet Service Providers blocking sites \| Home		Nov 20 15:17
roy_	"Good one, thanks! Here's something from me -- a #HowTo on arguing against Internet censorship: http://rys.io/en/94 /me needs to update it, though"	Nov 20 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rys.io \| HOWTO: effectively argue against Internet censorship ideas :: RysioBrag		Nov 20 15:17
roy_	"thanks for the howto, need to read in more detail but in my initial look it seems like it might be useful, certainly as a refresher ;-)'	Nov 20 15:17
roy_	I have reported to ORG and to O2. Both responded.	Nov 20 15:17
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179912	Nov 20 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #systemd not the reason #joeyh left #debian https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/on_leaving/		Nov 20 15:19
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roy_	"	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	"It's important to be unafraid to make a decision, try it out, and if it doesn't work, be unafraid to iterate, rethink, or throw a bad choice out."	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	The problem is, someone else is making the decision by me. If it happens that systemd is a bad choice as I think then I'll trow out for sure, with the distro if both become one and the same.	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	That's the curious part of this.	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	I haven't seen actual surveys, but it seems to me that systemd has a large number of detractors, a large (probably larger) number of people who don't have enough experience with it to have formed an opinion, a very small number of well-placed supporters, and a miniscule number of ordinary users who support it.	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	I share this opinion that Debian can't progress, sit at the middle of the cleavage.	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	Observed that systemd is just evolving system operators procedures and wishes new spectrum for Linux appliances.	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	'	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	I indeed have no experience with systemd, but I never wait for something to become a disaster to do something about. Since I have lots of servers I just cannot drop Debian and put OpenBSD, but I'm getting prepared in case systemd is the disaster I imagine.	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	I'll check Debian Jessie in February or March, and by that time I'll have ready plan B instead of wondering what I could do.	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	"If you can have BSD in toasters and fridges with no systemd I see no need of it in Linux."	Nov 20 15:20
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	Well, one problem is that, indeed, the systemd folks are starting to seek kernel modifications to accommodate systemd. So far, Linus has told them they need to grow up about taking responsibility for problems, but he also left the door open for distributions to take on the task of solving those problems first. Those distributions will, almost certainly, be Red Hat and its derivatives; they have Lennart Poettering on their payroll.	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	I don't know why the BSDs are incompatible with systemd. I understand there is a project to port some functions over to the BSDs, so they can have their systemd-lite I guess.	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	But I have to tell you it was refreshing to see, on the FreeBSD users list, a crack about keeping that Poettering (I forget which profanity went here) off of one's system (in that case, a reference to pulseaudio, another Poettering project).	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	The question is not why the BSDs are incompatible with systemd, but why systemd has to run in the BSDs. If a software is written following POSIX then very likely will run in other platforms, otherwise won't, and as far as I know systemd is written to run in Linux only. And there are some substitutes of systemd on the way, but they're not related to systemd, they will be used only as a substitute for running Gnome and nothing else.	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	Anyway, is more likely to see the hell frozen rather that seeing Theo de Raadt allowing systemd in OpenBSD.	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	"Theo de Raadt is the single best argument for OpenBSD. All by himself."	Nov 20 15:21
roy_	Don't choose a person, choose a group	Nov 20 15:21
cubexyz	ha	Nov 20 15:23
cubexyz	I'm asking the boycottsystemd guy which distros he recommends.	Nov 20 15:24
cubexyz	yes, OpenBSD is a good choice	Nov 20 15:24
cubexyz	but which modern Linux distro should we use? That is the question	Nov 20 15:25
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MinceR	geekings	Nov 20 17:01
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5191841	Nov 20 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: LISA’14 – Are We Making Linux Too Easy? http://techponder.wordpress.com/2014/11/18/lisa14-are-we-making-linux-too-easy/		Nov 20 18:43
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roy_	"In my day we used to have to write the code for our entire operating system in binary coded assembly language. Kids today have it way too easy."	Nov 20 18:43
MinceR	"get off my lawn!"	Nov 20 18:44
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5193171	Nov 20 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: #DARPA Is Using Ubuntu to Build Humanoid Robots – Video http://news.softpedia.com/news/DARPA-Is-Using-Ubuntu-to-Build-Humanoid-Robots-Video-465343.shtml		Nov 20 18:46
roy_	"Yay... or not."	Nov 20 18:46
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roy_	MinceR: get offa ma cloud !	Nov 20 18:46
MinceR	:)	Nov 20 18:48
cubexyz	ok, who coded there OS in assembly language? :)	Nov 20 18:49
cubexyz	even in 1974 Unix was mostly C language	Nov 20 18:49
cubexyz	s/there/their/	Nov 20 18:49
cubexyz	ok, there's KolibriOS	Nov 20 18:50
cubexyz	IBM DMS was assembly	Nov 20 18:52
cubexyz	that's going pretty far back though	Nov 20 18:52
cubexyz	1965	Nov 20 18:52
MinceR	i did	Nov 20 19:05
MinceR	it's just "cli; hlt" though	Nov 20 19:05
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jgay	unix http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg	Nov 20 20:06
jgay	kind of anyhow	Nov 20 20:06
jgay	sorry I happened to have that open in a tab when I read this channel	Nov 20 20:07
cubexyz	my understanding is the PDP-7 OS was called Unics	Nov 20 20:21
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roy_	http://major.io/2014/11/19/response-infoworlds-confusing-article-fedora/	Nov 20 20:41
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roy_	"	Nov 20 20:41
roy_	I was at the first flock in Charleston and “stumbled upon” the meeting where this proposal and plan was being put together in final form for board presentation at the time. No, it was not even some secret meeting, nor in any way a closed one, nor was it some kind of “redhat conspiracy”. For the record, nobody discussed “how does this serve redhat interests”, only what everyone thought Fedora should do for itself as a community.	Nov 20 20:41
roy_	Nor did this I ever see where this proposal had any origin or direction from RedHat. This is what Fresco and the Fedora community came up with entirely on it’s own, so it is very much the other way around. Like all things that actually do happen in Fedora, it was a genuine, and yes, independent community process that brought this about.	Nov 20 20:41
roy_	I maintain two packages in Fedora, and while I may not always personally agree with every policy choice we do make in the Fedora community (though this particular one I do, strongly), I do recognize they are truly by independent consensus where all voices also do get the chance to be heard. I agree the problem here is not Fedora as an imagined “dumping ground for RHAT”, but rather a journalist who wants to write controversy where there is	Nov 20 20:42
roy_	none otherwise.	Nov 20 20:42
roy_	"	Nov 20 20:42
MinceR	gn	Nov 20 20:52
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Candy___	Dear Dr. Roy Schestowitz	Nov 21 04:08
Candy___	Firstly, I would like to show my respect for this valuable post. My name is ○○. I am a student and a member of the Voluntary Agency Network of Korea (VANK) in Korea. VANK is a non-governmental volunteer organization, composed of students ranging from elementary school to college and adults who wish to tell correct information about Korea to foreign textbooks and publishing companies.	Nov 21 04:08
roy_	hello	Nov 21 04:08
Candy___	I would like to inform you that one of your post used wrong national flag. And this could give incorrect information to someone read this post. Please refer to this link of your website : http://techrights.org/2013/12/18/south-korea-ubuntu/	Nov 21 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Positive Power of Ubuntu GNU/Linux Seen in South Korea \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/iu7pz ]		Nov 21 04:08
Candy___	Our national flag is called Taegeukgi. And the one used on your post is an old Taegeukgi. Now we are using changed Taegeukgi.	Nov 21 04:08
roy_	let me check	Nov 21 04:09
Candy___	you can see the our Taegukgi at here : http://navercast.naver.com/contents.nhn?rid=92&contents_id=4541	Nov 21 04:09
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Candy___	Although this post was written long time ago. As a member of the VANK, I request you to fix it as soon as possible to prevent having any more misinformation.	Nov 21 04:09
roy_	ah, yes, it's an old one	Nov 21 04:09
roy_	it's just what was in a free clipart	Nov 21 04:10
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roy_	yingyang	Nov 21 04:10
Candy___	I will be happy if you change it new one can you?	Nov 21 04:10
roy_	is the use of an old flag offensive? I didn't realise that	Nov 21 04:11
Candy___	Hum exactly it's not offensive but the picture in that link is express Korea	Nov 21 04:11
Candy___	but that is an old one so I asked you to change it	Nov 21 04:12
Candy___	So can you do this?^^	Nov 21 04:12
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roy_	the issue is, unless it's offensive, I struggle to see how use of an old flag (not the only such example in the site) becomes an issue	Nov 21 04:13
roy_	other pages in the site have the latest flag	Nov 21 04:13
roy_	http://www.google.com/custom?q=flag&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=techrights.org&client=pub-2479740519054892&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23999999%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A999999%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A999999%3BALC%3A666666%3BLC%3A666666%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A333333%3BGIMP%3A333333%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A50%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ftechrights.org%2Ftechrights-search.png%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.com%	Nov 21 04:13
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roy_	3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en	Nov 21 04:14
Candy___	So you mean you cant change it as lastest one?	Nov 21 04:14
roy_	I don't see what would be gained from that	Nov 21 04:15
Candy___	As a member of VANK I was looking for sth wrong information about Korea at google	Nov 21 04:15
roy_	unless it offended people in its present form	Nov 21 04:15
roy_	how is it wrong information is nowhere in the post does it claim it to be the latest flag?	Nov 21 04:16
Candy___	and I found your article and I thought this flag is not the right information	Nov 21 04:16
Candy___	cause we don't use that flag anymore	Nov 21 04:16
roy_	do you go through sites that use this flag and systematically ask for changes?	Nov 21 04:17
Candy___	As you say, it's not a big deal but I want to upload your article to lastest one	Nov 21 04:17
roy_	it would be disinformation if I said, "Korea is communist"	Nov 21 04:17
roy_	next time I write about korea I will use the latest flag	Nov 21 04:17
roy_	the site has almost a dozen articles about korea	Nov 21 04:18
roy_	most use the latest flag	Nov 21 04:18
Candy___	Yh I saw	Nov 21 04:18
Candy___	I was founing the way to contacting someone who wrote that article	Nov 21 04:18
roy_	is this flag one predating the Korean war?	Nov 21 04:20
roy_	If so, then I can see why it presents a problem	Nov 21 04:20
Candy___	No at all. I mean that's an old information.	Nov 21 04:21
Candy___	that's the flag somewhere around at 1923	Nov 21 04:21
Candy___	and we dont use that flag anymore.	Nov 21 04:22
Candy___	so that's why I wanted to change it.	Nov 21 04:22
roy_	next time I write about Korea I will definitely use the latest flag	Nov 21 04:23
roy_	the old flag has histotical importance	Nov 21 04:23
roy_	vanishing it would be a disservice to history, I think	Nov 21 04:23
Candy___	Yes Yes of course it's important right	Nov 21 04:23
roy_	I also use old Canadian flags and old US flags sometimes, confederate	Nov 21 04:24
Candy___	but in that page that flag is kind of face of Korea	Nov 21 04:24
roy_	would it help if I added a caption stating it's the old flag?	Nov 21 04:24
Candy___	It will help someone who has chance to misunderstand Korean flag	Nov 21 04:25
Candy___	Thank you	Nov 21 04:25
Candy___	but Is their any reason you used an old flag?	Nov 21 04:25
roy_	yes	Nov 21 04:26
roy_	image licensing	Nov 21 04:26
Candy___	oh!	Nov 21 04:26
roy_	I use only images that would not have copyright issues	Nov 21 04:26
Candy___	sorry to hear that	Nov 21 04:26
roy_	which is a shame, I know	Nov 21 04:26
roy_	my enemies like trying to use copyright to cause me issues and silence me	Nov 21 04:26
roy_	I will add a caption stating it's an old flag	Nov 21 04:27
Candy___	Thank you so much! I will check your fixed article! when I can see ti?	Nov 21 04:28
Candy___	it*	Nov 21 04:28
roy_	caption added	Nov 21 04:29
Candy___	You know I am not good at English so I was embarassed when you talked why? why? blabla lol I didn't know that you have like that reason used that flag.	Nov 21 04:29
roy_	My wife and I were planning to visit Korea	Nov 21 04:29
Candy___	Oh really? I'd like to hear that	Nov 21 04:29
roy_	Her phone is a Samsung	Nov 21 04:30
roy_	she has two of them	Nov 21 04:30
roy_	both Samsung	Nov 21 04:30
roy_	My dad used to import Samsung for decades	Nov 21 04:30
roy_	the only one in the country, back in the 1980s when Samsung was small	Nov 21 04:30
Candy___	but I wonder what is that meaning yingyang that word make me feel bad...	Nov 21 04:30
roy_	the current flag still has yingyang, I think	Nov 21 04:30
roy_	or maybe I misunderstand the word	Nov 21 04:31
Candy___	Oh sorry	Nov 21 04:31
Candy___	anyway I am surprised to hear your family is the customer of Samsung	Nov 21 04:32
roy_	well, it's the leader in phones now, but it wasn't always the case	Nov 21 04:32
Candy___	because most American use Iphone also my friend in Korea is using Iphone	Nov 21 04:32
roy_	my dad must have imported like thousands of TVs from Samsung, and stereos	Nov 21 04:32
Candy___	wow	Nov 21 04:32
Candy___	that's amazing	Nov 21 04:32
roy_	the one in our living room is a samsung, the point being, I'm not against Korea at all, not even the north. North and south used to collaborate on distro development about 5 years ago.	Nov 21 04:33
Candy___	You was against Korea?	Nov 21 04:33
roy_	No, never	Nov 21 04:34
roy_	I'm not a big fan of Japan, though	Nov 21 04:35
roy_	they used to abuse Koreans for war and prostitution	Nov 21 04:35
roy_	and they slaughtered many people in my wife's country	Nov 21 04:35
Candy___	where is your wife country?	Nov 21 04:36
roy_	east asia	Nov 21 04:38
roy_	point being, Japan has lots more perception issues	Nov 21 04:38
roy_	though I think it succeeded in changing some	Nov 21 04:38
roy_	after what it did in the world war	Nov 21 04:38
Candy___	Yes we are still fighting Japan with Many problems	Nov 21 04:39
roy_	Korea is largely viewed positively, the Western media only vilifies the north	Nov 21 04:39
roy_	Did Japan pay reparations for abuse of Korean women yet?	Nov 21 04:39
Candy___	yes not yet	Nov 21 04:39
Candy___	they are just waiting for the day all abused ladies being dead	Nov 21 04:40
roy_	yes, that's what I last read in English news	Nov 21 04:42
roy_	they're in denial mode	Nov 21 04:42
Candy___	It's first time to meet someone who know about abuse of Korean woman.	Nov 21 04:43
roy_	let me ask you something	Nov 21 04:43
Candy___	What?	Nov 21 04:43
roy_	what is it like to live in Korea? I hear it's very stressful and competitive	Nov 21 04:43
Candy___	for what part?	Nov 21 04:43
roy_	young people in the south, like Seoul	Nov 21 04:44
roy_	women having lots of plastic surgery, pressure for high marks at school	Nov 21 04:44
Candy___	Yes they are so competitive right.	Nov 21 04:44
roy_	a bit like Singapore or HK	Nov 21 04:45
roy_	Maybe even China, except it's much poorer overall, per capita	Nov 21 04:45
Candy___	I was born at here and I have been lived at here since I was born.	Nov 21 04:46
Candy___	So It will be hard to live for you cause you are adjusted to your country culture	Nov 21 04:46
Candy___	but for me, in the opposit it will be stressful to live in USA	Nov 21 04:47
Candy___	Cause I am adjusted to Korean life	Nov 21 04:47
roy_	US is bad for other reasons	Nov 21 04:47
roy_	esp. for immigrants	Nov 21 04:47
Candy___	oh why?	Nov 21 04:47
roy_	I tried Korean food here, the cuisine there wasn't good, but my wife says it's the restaurant that's bad	Nov 21 04:47
roy_	There are many Korean students around here	Nov 21 04:48
Candy___	Yes I think Korean is everywhere all over the world	Nov 21 04:48
roy_	it's said that they're so loyal that they only eat (for the most part) in the Korean restaurants in Manchester	Nov 21 04:48
roy_	Korean universities are expensive, so some go to study in south east Asia	Nov 21 04:48
Candy___	I haven't heard about it	Nov 21 04:49
Candy___	So what kind of Korean food you tried	Nov 21 04:50
roy_	it's apparently trendy now	Nov 21 04:50
roy_	my father in law says Korean students are everywhere now	Nov 21 04:51
roy_	misu soup, tea and some stuff with meat in it (can't recall the main course)	Nov 21 04:51
Candy___	I am not sure that's because of fee.	Nov 21 04:51
roy_	with the metal chopsticks	Nov 21 04:51
Candy___	OMG misu soup is Japanese haha	Nov 21 04:51
roy_	yes, but they served it there too	Nov 21 04:52
roy_	I used to make jokes about that place being shurt	Nov 21 04:52
roy_	not many clients most of the time	Nov 21 04:52
roy_	some nights the place was closed	Nov 21 04:52
roy_	and it was fairly newly-opened	Nov 21 04:52
Candy___	What time there?	Nov 21 04:53
roy_	When I was there we were the only ones dining there	Nov 21 04:53
Candy___	actually yesterday	Nov 21 04:53
roy_	Is it true that in Korean too there's no easy acceptance of failure, a bit like in Japan?	Nov 21 04:53
roy_	*Korea	Nov 21 04:54
Candy___	Yes I think you are right. But, That made us of now	Nov 21 04:54
roy_	When I thought about moving to Singapore (2 years ago) I came to realise that youths there were under enormous pressure	Nov 21 04:55
Candy___	And I think we are in transition period,	Nov 21 04:55
Candy___	Because of rapid growth	Nov 21 04:55
roy_	towards being relaxed?	Nov 21 04:55
Candy___	That's our generation's homework	Nov 21 04:56
roy_	I once heard of people in the streets in Korea, youth that could not cope with the pressure and left homne	Nov 21 04:56
Candy___	pass the baton !!	Nov 21 04:56
Candy___	What?	Nov 21 04:56
roy_	in Google StreetView Korea looks very industralised	Nov 21 04:56
roy_	Seoul suburbs being like Taipei	Nov 21 04:57
Candy___	haha	Nov 21 04:58
Candy___	When are you paning to visit Korea?	Nov 21 04:58
Candy___	come and watch in it real	Nov 21 04:58
roy_	(since we talk about perceptions and misinformation)	Nov 21 04:58
Candy___	really?	Nov 21 04:59
roy_	Korea is advertised as another Japan, or Seoul being like Tokyo	Nov 21 04:59
roy_	Like financial centres, tall buildings	Nov 21 04:59
roy_	for the rich people only	Nov 21 04:59
Candy___	If you visit Korea, you can't think like that	Nov 21 05:00
Candy___	For me the building in USA and Canada is same	Nov 21 05:00
Candy___	but If I visit both country every part it will look different maybe	Nov 21 05:00
roy_	less densely populated	Nov 21 05:00
roy_	I might be in Korea in transit in a few months	Nov 21 05:01
Candy___	we have many people compare to the bigest of land	Nov 21 05:01
roy_	can pay a fee to leave the airport for a while until the next flight departs	Nov 21 05:02
Candy___	But the problem is most are live in Seoul.	Nov 21 05:02
roy_	same as in UK and London	Nov 21 05:02
Candy___	I wonder are a English?	Nov 21 05:03
roy_	people try to stay close to financial centres where job opportunities exist	Nov 21 05:03
roy_	I'm Germany, but living in the UK for many years	Nov 21 05:03
Candy___	I thought you are American though	Nov 21 05:03
Candy___	but I feel strange when the time you told about menchester	Nov 21 05:04
Candy___	So, haha you must be good at cerman	Nov 21 05:04
roy_	US is a bit of a mess for most people now	Nov 21 05:05
roy_	though UK can be seen as increasingly the same	Nov 21 05:05
roy_	China seems like a sad place to be in, but then again, that's China	Nov 21 05:06
roy_	we went to a local Chinese warehouse last night	Nov 21 05:06
Candy___	yes	Nov 21 05:06
roy_	what a mess it was. Huge and dustry	Nov 21 05:06
roy_	*dirty	Nov 21 05:06
Candy___	It's universal image of China	Nov 21 05:07
roy_	korea is now seen as its tech sector	Nov 21 05:07
roy_	nat uni of singapore, lg, samsung...	Nov 21 05:07
roy_	oops	Nov 21 05:08
roy_	seoul	Nov 21 05:08
roy_	not NUS in Singapore	Nov 21 05:08
Candy___	yes. haha	Nov 21 05:08
Candy___	So can I ask you another faver? actually I was looking for German who can translate this English to German.	Nov 21 05:09
Candy___	If you are busy to read and translate that's OK. jsut keep it. this will be helpful for you to trip in Korea	Nov 21 05:10
Candy___	Someone interested in South Korean Travel	Nov 21 05:10
Candy___	Check this information right now!	Nov 21 05:10
Candy___	This all services are created by Korea Tourism Organization.	Nov 21 05:11
Candy___	And I am sure they provide reliable information for you.	Nov 21 05:11
Candy___	Official Web Site of Korea Tourism Organization :	Nov 21 05:11
Candy___	http://www.visitkorea.or.kr/intro.html	Nov 21 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.visitkorea.or.kr \| Imagine your Korea		Nov 21 05:11
Candy___	Ok it's hard to attch it one by one	Nov 21 05:11
Candy___	I'll give up to show you this lol	Nov 21 05:11
roy_	ah, cool	Nov 21 05:12
roy_	yesterday we watched some tourism videos of Berlin (my sister is there now)	Nov 21 05:12
roy_	as for Korea, if I was to go there, I'm not sure what I'd do	Nov 21 05:12
roy_	Not into sightseeing myself	Nov 21 05:13
Candy___	So, I think you don't need my help	Nov 21 05:13
roy_	I'd like to visit some factories in mainland china to grasp what many live like	Nov 21 05:13
roy_	or Bangladesh	Nov 21 05:13
Candy___	If you need some help to visit Korea anytime!	Nov 21 05:13
Candy___	haha	Nov 21 05:14
roy_	Candy___: rather than try to change flag there's effort that can be done on other issues	Nov 21 05:14
Candy___	kind of what?	Nov 21 05:14
Candy___	<roy_>	Nov 21 05:14
roy_	change stigmas	Nov 21 05:15
roy_	many countries have stereotypes spread about them	Nov 21 05:16
Candy___	So what is about Korea?	Nov 21 05:16
roy_	British=cold, German=racist, US=love weapons/war, Russia=cruel...	Nov 21 05:16
roy_	Korea=only loyal to Korea	Nov 21 05:17
roy_	that's the one I hear here	Nov 21 05:17
Candy___	Maybe haha We love our country so much	Nov 21 05:18
Candy___	But I also interested in other countries	Nov 21 05:18
Candy___	Like we have popular tv show "Abnormal Talk" They have 11pannels each from another countries and speak Korean	Nov 21 05:19
Candy___	They are sharing their culture and opinion of the subject at that show	Nov 21 05:19
Candy___	And that program is really popular these days	Nov 21 05:20
roy_	nationalism is reinforced through olympic ambolitions	Nov 21 05:20
Candy___	I think their are chaning little bt little now not just loyal to Korea.	Nov 21 05:20
Candy___	I don't think so, at least not for me.	Nov 21 05:21
roy_	Korean is not perceived as a place for tourism	Nov 21 05:21
roy_	which probably means the big sections of the economy are still tech and such	Nov 21 05:21
roy_	having nuclear neughbours does not help	Nov 21 05:22
Candy___	I didn't know thet Korea is not perceived as a place for tourism.	Nov 21 05:23
roy_	name one famous place for tourists can go to	Nov 21 05:23
Candy___	Cause We Have So Many Things To Show you guys	Nov 21 05:23
roy_	nobody here would name even one	Nov 21 05:23
roy_	to many, korea means LG and Samsung, that's it	Nov 21 05:23
Candy___	Sorry to hear that	Nov 21 05:23
roy_	and north korea has celebrity villain	Nov 21 05:24
roy_	and marching army, that's what TV shows us here	Nov 21 05:24
Candy___	I have friends from UK	Nov 21 05:24
Candy___	They were visit Korea during 2months	Nov 21 05:24
Candy___	and they told me that before we visit here as school program	Nov 21 05:25
Candy___	We didn't know about Korea	Nov 21 05:25
Candy___	So that's really true	Nov 21 05:25
Candy___	I need to do hard because I want to be a professtiona Korean promoter someday	Nov 21 05:25
roy_	Korea has real issues	Nov 21 05:26
roy_	it's seen here as just "Asia"	Nov 21 05:26
roy_	The flag is a symbol	Nov 21 05:26
roy_	but more people can name the tech giants, not the flag	Nov 21 05:27
roy_	many would think yangyang is some "Chinese" or "Asia" thing	Nov 21 05:27
roy_	people can barely tell apart people from different parts of east asia	Nov 21 05:27
Candy___	for me too it sounds like Chinese	Nov 21 05:27
roy_	let alone find them on a map without borders	Nov 21 05:27
roy_	some might thing korea is a region of china	Nov 21 05:28
Candy___	That's hrrible..	Nov 21 05:28
roy_	if high cheek bone or slanted eyes, people in the West just go "Asian", and that's as far as most go	Nov 21 05:28
roy_	they can't distinguish so for them Korean means something like "Cantonese" or "Mandarin"	Nov 21 05:29
roy_	So Korea would need to put itself apart	Nov 21 05:29
roy_	as Japan had done to some degree	Nov 21 05:29
roy_	Japan is seen as "rich Asians"	Nov 21 05:30
roy_	Korea is gradually getting there	Nov 21 05:30
roy_	when my dad sold Samsung for several decaddes he had to explain to stupid people what Korea is	Nov 21 05:30
roy_	and seoul	Nov 21 05:30
roy_	the games of 1988 helped	Nov 21 05:30
roy_	otherwise people think that it's as good as "made in cambodia" or indonesia	Nov 21 05:31
Candy___	god..	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	back then samsung had no name really	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	People still view Taupei as "part of China"	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	*Taipei	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	Korea may be viewed similar to that, based on my experience	Nov 21 05:31
roy_	kpop did some good things	Nov 21 05:32
roy_	like gangnam style going viral internationally	Nov 21 05:32
roy_	so people view korea as something to do with culture, not just some tech giants	Nov 21 05:32
roy_	https://twitter.com/Asp0App/status/535657865470808064	Nov 21 05:33
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Candy___	I thought the culture is the most way to attract other people to Korea	Nov 21 05:34
roy_	PSY was one among none, as no other Korean singer gets out of Korea	Nov 21 05:35
roy_	IU...	Nov 21 05:35
roy_	flrf	Nov 21 05:35
roy_	for instance	Nov 21 05:35
roy_	or that group of 4 girls, SISTAR	Nov 21 05:36
Candy___	flrf? what is that	Nov 21 05:36
roy_	nobody knows them	Nov 21 05:36
roy_	just Psy	Nov 21 05:36
Candy___	you know musch kpop star	Nov 21 05:36
roy_	I have lots of Korean music on my PC and external drives	Nov 21 05:36
roy_	much compared to most people here	Nov 21 05:36
roy_	SISTAR maybe spread a bit in Asia, but not in the West	Nov 21 05:37
roy_	IU did some films and stuff in Japan	Nov 21 05:37
Candy___	You know very much about Korea	Nov 21 05:38
roy_	But again, if you want tourism with investment money and spendings, it won't come from the south	Nov 21 05:38
roy_	having samsung as the sponsor of the games for korea and even songs like bring the day that are samsung ads makes korea just look like embodiment of corporations	Nov 21 05:41
roy_	with almost a million sraff	Nov 21 05:41
roy_	korea might be making a PR mistake	Nov 21 05:41
roy_	it thinks associating itself with the corporations would pass the good publicity from the might of the brands	Nov 21 05:41
roy_	instead, it makes the country look as though all it has to show are the brands	Nov 21 05:42
Candy___	hum	Nov 21 05:43
Candy___	I'll keep that in mind	Nov 21 05:43
Candy___	so I might need to get a job at Samsung promote department	Nov 21 05:44
roy_	opposite	Nov 21 05:46
roy_	my point was, korea becomes too dependent on the brands	Nov 21 05:46
roy_	so people view it as NOTHING BUT those brands	Nov 21 05:46
roy_	If you want tourism, then show another angle	Nov 21 05:47
roy_	Our LG fringe won't drive us to visiting Korea	Nov 21 05:47
roy_	Knowing what tourists attractions exist in Korea might	Nov 21 05:47
roy_	and that can bring a lot more prosperity to the nation than a designed-in-Korea but made-in-China product	Nov 21 05:48
Candy___	Thank you for the advice	Nov 21 05:50
Candy___	I promise you I will keep that in mind!	Nov 21 05:50
Candy___	You gave a way what to do	Nov 21 05:51
roy_	maybe a lot of promoters of Korea already know that	Nov 21 05:51
roy_	kpop needs to spread a bit to show culture	Nov 21 05:51
roy_	and sights, traditions	Nov 21 05:51
Candy___	Yes right	Nov 21 05:52
Candy___	KTO is working like that	Nov 21 05:52
Candy___	they are doing their best.	Nov 21 05:52
Candy___	and Roy	Nov 21 05:53
Candy___	I checked your comment under flag	Nov 21 05:53
Candy___	and that's wrong	Nov 21 05:53
Candy___	Just change it It's an old flg	Nov 21 05:53
Candy___	*flag	Nov 21 05:53
roy_	is the command not correct?	Nov 21 05:54
roy_	or the flag?	Nov 21 05:54
Candy___	command	Nov 21 05:54
Candy___	It's not predating Korean war	Nov 21 05:54
Candy___	I hope to change it as just It's an old Korean flag	Nov 21 05:54
roy_	ok, I will amend again	Nov 21 05:55
Candy___	Thank you I will check	Nov 21 05:56
roy_	I removed "predating the Korean war"	Nov 21 05:56
Candy___	Yh I saw	Nov 21 05:58
Candy___	Thank you	Nov 21 05:58
Candy___	And Roy I was impressed how you think about Korea tourism future	Nov 21 06:02
Candy___	and I will be happy if you tell somethinb about Korea that you know to someone around you	Nov 21 06:02
Candy___	and then at least they will know about truth of Korea!	Nov 21 06:03
roy_	I don't know where in Korea one can travel	Nov 21 06:03
roy_	it's not common knowledge	Nov 21 06:03
roy_	people know about tokyo, fuji mountain, great wall of china, but nothing in particular in korea	Nov 21 06:04
roy_	the restaurant we went to is called baekdu	Nov 21 06:04
roy_	which they say means mountain	Nov 21 06:04
roy_	and there are pictures of it around, though it doesn't say anything in particular about some particular mountain (I assume there are many as it's not far from Ring of Fire)	Nov 21 06:05
Candy___	Most of people know about Seoul in Korea	Nov 21 06:06
Candy___	So Seoul, Is popular for Dongdaemun street market	Nov 21 06:07
roy_	but it's just a city's name	Nov 21 06:07
Candy___	They are selling so many things even anymals on street	Nov 21 06:07
roy_	I didn't know about this market	Nov 21 06:07
Candy___	and Namsan Tower	Nov 21 06:07
roy_	never heard of it	Nov 21 06:07
Candy___	very high tower!	Nov 21 06:07
Candy___	and Bukcheon Hangok village	Nov 21 06:08
Candy___	hangok is Korean traditional house	Nov 21 06:08
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Candy___	You can see awsome Hangok at there	Nov 21 06:09
Candy___	and Insadong ssamgitstreet	Nov 21 06:09
Candy___	It's kind of downtown with funny structrue	Nov 21 06:09
roy_	my point was, you need to increase awareness of it	Nov 21 06:09
roy_	maybe if the flag had traditional house in it	Nov 21 06:09
roy_	seoul is usually mentioned in the intl' media when there's tension with pyongyang	Nov 21 06:10
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Candy___	Hum you gave me so many things to think about	Nov 21 06:16
Candy___	this is so good to know you	Nov 21 06:18
roy_	glad to be of help	Nov 21 06:29
roy_	you need to try to help promote Free/libre software in Korea	Nov 21 06:29
roy_	the sooner, the better	Nov 21 06:30
roy_	there's espionage going on, and dependence on MS ActiveX in online banking helps it	Nov 21 06:30
roy_	the whole country is easy to control by hijacking all these WIndows-running PCs	Nov 21 06:30
Candy___	I will find some info about it Thank you!	Nov 21 06:34
Candy___	Goodbye see you!	Nov 21 06:40
roy_	you too	Nov 21 06:40
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msb__	Anybody here?	Nov 21 17:17
cubexyz	hi	Nov 21 17:20
cubexyz	msb__, what's up?	Nov 21 17:21
msb__	cubexyz: Hey man!	Nov 21 17:21
msb__	Do you watch the TV show Elementary?	Nov 21 17:22
cubexyz	I've seen it once or twice	Nov 21 17:22
msb__	The one broadcast last night S03E04 -- Bella -- is about an AI. Superb!	Nov 21 17:23
cubexyz	there's a linux distro called Elementary as well :)	Nov 21 17:23
cubexyz	ok, I'll check that out	Nov 21 17:24
msb__	I found a great list about creating a version of debian without systemd:	Nov 21 17:26
msb__	http://www.freelists.org/list/modular-debian	Nov 21 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freelists.org \| FreeLists / Toward a more modular Debian OS [ http://ur1.ca/iuejb ]		Nov 21 17:26
cubexyz	yeah, seems there's a lot of buzz about systemd lately	Nov 21 17:26
cubexyz	did you see my blog post about systemd?	Nov 21 17:26
msb__	no, where is it?	Nov 21 17:27
cubexyz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca	Nov 21 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca \| Notes on Linux		Nov 21 17:27
msb__	I posted to that list and likened systemd to the LHC converting the whole planet into a white-hot strangelet particle.	Nov 21 17:28
cubexyz	ha	Nov 21 17:28
cubexyz	sort of a windowsification of Linux	Nov 21 17:28
cubexyz	it doesn't really effect me too much	Nov 21 17:29
cubexyz	I think I have one systemd system, and the 8 other ones are pre-systemd	Nov 21 17:30
msb__	good blog post. there are articles you could cite giving more anti systemd reasons.	Nov 21 17:30
cubexyz	yeah there's even a http://boycottsystemd.org	Nov 21 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boycottsystemd.org \| boycott systemd		Nov 21 17:31
cubexyz	when you knew I'm a unix traditionalist I'm sure :)	Nov 21 17:31
cubexyz	s/when/well/	Nov 21 17:31
msb__	http://boycottsystemd.org/	Nov 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boycottsystemd.org \| boycott systemd		Nov 21 17:32
msb__	http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/	Nov 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-igurublog.wordpress.com \| Ts’o and Linus And The Impotent Rage Against systemd « IgnorantGuru's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/iuela ]		Nov 21 17:32
msb__	http://ewontfix.com/14/	Nov 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ewontfix.com \| EWONTFIX - Broken by design: systemd		Nov 21 17:32
msb__	http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/systemd-216-a-4175515577/	Nov 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org \| systemd 216 [ http://ur1.ca/iuelc ]		Nov 21 17:32
msb__	https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/K7ijdmxJ8PF	Nov 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com \| For those who believe the systemd developers are reasonable and will listen to… [ http://ur1.ca/iueld ]		Nov 21 17:32
cubexyz	debian should just give everyone the choice of which init system they prefer	Nov 21 17:33
msb__	I think the best approach is to fork a good distro.	Nov 21 17:33
msb__	Yes.	Nov 21 17:33
msb__	Supposedly they do, but systemd is the default.	Nov 21 17:34
msb__	So that's what that list is about.	Nov 21 17:34
msb__	Staying with some old version has the disadvantage that lots of new programs, often multimedia stuff, doesn't have the requisite libs there, or worse.	Nov 21 17:35
msb__	...lacks some whole facility it needs.	Nov 21 17:35
cubexyz	that's true	Nov 21 17:36
cubexyz	that's why I use multiple eras of Unix and Linux	Nov 21 17:36
msb__	Big problem with systemd is that a lot of apps get mutated to use its facilities, and then the damn thing is required to run them.	Nov 21 17:37
cubexyz	sometimes the new distro doesn't support some old program, so it cuts both ways	Nov 21 17:37
msb__	So goddamn Poettering ends up controlling and "churning" lots of your apps.	Nov 21 17:37
cubexyz	it's a divisive issue for sure	Nov 21 17:38
msb__	For old programs, I just bring in the old libs. Like for xmms audio player. Works fine.	Nov 21 17:39
cubexyz	old scanner programs won't work	Nov 21 17:40
msb__	You can always run them from a script that uses that environment variable to tell the linker to use the old lib. So it doesn't get used by any other program.	Nov 21 17:40
msb__	If you bring in the old libs?	Nov 21 17:40
cubexyz	you would have to bypass libusb which seems very difficult	Nov 21 17:41
cubexyz	one used to be able to open /dev/scanner0	Nov 21 17:41
msb__	can't have the old and new one running at the same time?	Nov 21 17:41
cubexyz	but that's gone in newer Linux, not sure exactly when it kicked in	Nov 21 17:42
cubexyz	msb__, I have to use a separate computer running an older Linux to use the old scanner programs	Nov 21 17:42
msb__	That sucks!	Nov 21 17:42
cubexyz	ah, it's not that bad	Nov 21 17:43
cubexyz	I like using different eras of Linux/Unix	Nov 21 17:43
msb__	If you have another computer. I only have the one.	Nov 21 17:43
cubexyz	I bought a dell a few years back for 20 bucks :)	Nov 21 17:43
cubexyz	that was to run OpenBSD	Nov 21 17:43
msb__	My laser printer is no longer suported well in cups.	Nov 21 17:43
msb__	At least last time I checked.	Nov 21 17:44
cubexyz	here is the old way of using the scanner:	Nov 21 17:45
MinceR	183355 < msb__> Supposedly they do, but systemd is the default.	Nov 21 17:45
MinceR	only supposedly.	Nov 21 17:45
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/scantest3.c	Nov 21 17:45
MinceR	they officially don't care if they break sysvinit	Nov 21 17:45
MinceR	and they force you to systemd if you downgrade to jessie.	Nov 21 17:45
cubexyz	MinceR, I told one systemd guy that I used Unix v5 :)	Nov 21 17:45
msb__	Can you run the old linux and usb system in a VM in the new linux?	Nov 21 17:45
cubexyz	that shut him up	Nov 21 17:46
MinceR	msb__: you probably can	Nov 21 17:46
cubexyz	msb__, maybe	Nov 21 17:46
cubexyz	I have the kooka source so maybe I can upgrade it myself	Nov 21 17:47
msb__	Wow, that's a very simple scanner interface.	Nov 21 17:49
cubexyz	wrote it myself :)	Nov 21 17:49
msb__	Kool!	Nov 21 17:49
msb__	What's kooka?	Nov 21 17:49
cubexyz	it's a KDE 3.5.10 frontend for SANE	Nov 21 17:50
cubexyz	unfortunately it doesn't work on newer linux	Nov 21 17:50
msb__	Because of changes in the usb api?	Nov 21 17:51
cubexyz	on newer Linux I have to use xscanimage which is OK but not really ideal	Nov 21 17:51
cubexyz	msb__, yes	Nov 21 17:51
cubexyz	I should try it in OpenBSD, I don't think I've tried that yet	Nov 21 17:53
cubexyz	tough to find the time to try everything	Nov 21 17:53
msb__	Maybe some kind of shim lib could be written to take old usb commands and send them modified to new usb lib.	Nov 21 17:55
MinceR	or kooka could be updated	Nov 21 17:56
MinceR	though if it uses SANE, why does it even need the usb api?	Nov 21 17:57
MinceR	it should just talk to SANE	Nov 21 17:57
cubexyz	it's got to select the scanner device, and somehow that part gets borked up	Nov 21 17:58
cubexyz	libkscan just can't find the device	Nov 21 18:02
msb__	MinceR: The latest episode of Elementary - s03e04 - is about an AI. Very good!	Nov 21 18:09
msb__	Scary, even!	Nov 21 18:10
MinceR	:)	Nov 21 18:11
msb__	Joe-Bob Bilk says check it out!	Nov 21 18:11
msb__	Nice 161MB in bt.	Nov 21 18:12
MinceR	who's Joe-Bob?	Nov 21 18:12
msb__	Joe-Bob Briggs -- used to do movie reviews.	Nov 21 18:13
MinceR	ic	Nov 21 18:13
msb__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bob_Briggs	Nov 21 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Joe Bob Briggs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/iuex7 ]		Nov 21 18:14
msb__	Rates movies numerically for blood, breasts and beasts.	Nov 21 18:16
MinceR	:)	Nov 21 18:16
msb__	Actually named Bloom. Probably a Texas Jew-boy.	Nov 21 18:16
msb__	Of course "Kill Switch" in X-Files is also not to be missed!	Nov 21 18:17
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MinceR	183227 < msb__> http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/	Nov 21 21:33
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MinceR	good one	Nov 21 21:33
cubexyz	systemd is no match for Never-Upgrade Man	Nov 21 21:42
MinceR	lol	Nov 21 21:43
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cubexyz	I'm not sure which Linux distro to recommend for very new distros	Nov 21 21:46
cubexyz	Slackware seems OK	Nov 21 21:46
cubexyz	I'll want x86-32 support	Nov 21 21:46
roy_	is slack ok for desktops, still?	Nov 21 21:54
roy_	competitive?	Nov 21 21:54
MinceR	it's becoming increasingly competitive vs distros that handicap themselves with systemd	Nov 21 21:55
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MinceR	gn	Nov 21 22:48
cubexyz	roy_, I use it on one machine	Nov 21 23:36
cubexyz	I'm a bit at a loss what to recommend... got to study different distros more	Nov 21 23:37
cubexyz	right now I'm using a bunch of different Fedoras, Fc1, Fedora 10, Fedora 14 and Fedora 16	Nov 21 23:38
cubexyz	also OpenBSD, and Vector Linux (based on Slackware 12.1)	Nov 21 23:39
cubexyz	I believe Fedora switched over to systemd with Fedora 15	Nov 21 23:40
cubexyz	other ones NOT using systemd are:	Nov 21 23:42
cubexyz	PCLinuxOS, CRUX and Gentoo (although Gentoo offers systemd as an option)	Nov 21 23:42
cubexyz	CRUX isn't ideal though for me, it's x86-64 only	Nov 21 23:44
cubexyz	I've used FC1 and upgraded it as necessary for over 10 years now	Nov 21 23:54
cubexyz	I've never had any problems with sysvinit	Nov 21 23:54
cubexyz	http://www.slackware.com/config/init.php	Nov 21 23:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-Based Beautiful Jolla Tablet Registers	Nov 22 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	Fantastic Success on Indigogo	Nov 22 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1IZMZSL3JX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iun3s	Nov 22 03:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SolydX 201411 Is a Rolling Release Alternative	Nov 22 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	to Linux Mint Debian Xfce	Nov 22 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PTNKYttQDR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 03:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mageia 3 Is Now Officially Dead	Nov 22 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/tSWxJB8gNo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 03:50
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aIbCWPZ7TV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iurba	Nov 22 08:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wake Up Lil SUSE, Minty Goodness, and Caine	Nov 22 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	Mutiny http://t.co/9T0DjFshWK	Nov 22 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuukx	Nov 22 13:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How To Install IceCat On Any Distro	Nov 22 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bSK9ZMjdSb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux64	Nov 22 18:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More File-System Tests Of The Linux 3.18 Kernel	Nov 22 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DTFkwDAlhI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux65	Nov 22 18:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Back in stock: a ThinkPenguin router that	Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	respects your freedom http://t.co/UG1Zo0XzJB	Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.fsf.org)	Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux6s	Nov 22 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org \| Back in stock: a ThinkPenguin router that respects your freedom — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software		Nov 22 19:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android projector offers 400 lumens on battery	Nov 22 19:01
TweetTuxMachines	power http://t.co/C7NQ8avaLa (linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 22 19:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux6u	Nov 22 19:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Would you crowdfund a $500 Ubuntu “open to the	Nov 22 19:01
TweetTuxMachines	core” laptop? https://t.co/vCKq3qEPPy	Nov 22 19:01
TweetTuxMachines	(bryanquigley.com)	Nov 22 19:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux6v	Nov 22 19:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More File-System Tests Of The Linux 3.18 Kernel	Nov 22 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MqZL40nCuD (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 22 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iux7v	Nov 22 19:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenSUSE 13.2 review - Back in the game!	Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ccDzWIzxz5 (www.dedoimedo.com)	Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxcj	Nov 22 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com \| OpenSUSE 13.2 review - Back in the game!		Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines V2 Of KDBUS Published For Linux Kernel Review	Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UYpSyp19yG (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxck	Nov 22 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] V2 Of KDBUS Published For Linux Kernel Review		Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 12 Awesome Themes for Mint 17.1 Cinnamon	Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RxgcM6k44p (www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxcl	Nov 22 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| 12 Awesome Themes for Mint 17.1 Cinnamon \| TuxArena		Nov 22 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mageia 3 Is Now Officially Dead	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jCOTODBhXE (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxis	Nov 22 19:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SolydX 201411 Is a Rolling Release Alternative	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	to Linux Mint Debian Xfce	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nPxfenJaE7 (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 22 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxit	Nov 22 19:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Canonical claimed 20 million PCs had shipped	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	from OEMs in 2013/2014 with Ubuntu GNU/Linux."	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/XGdtxvfLwj (mrpogson.com)	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxiu	Nov 22 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Would you crowdfund a $500 Ubuntu “open to the	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	core” laptop? http://t.co/WgQQKW33BC	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxix	Nov 22 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenSUSE 13.2 review - Back in the game!	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ScTf3N879L (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxiz	Nov 22 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Contain yourself: The layman's guide to Docker	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0AKoBXBkGJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxj0	Nov 22 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FLOSS Works – Now It Has Salesmen	Nov 22 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JYNAo0l9pj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxjd	Nov 22 19:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How To Install IceCat On Any Distro	Nov 22 19:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@SerbianLinuks	Nov 22 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxjh	Nov 22 19:42
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*TweetTuxMachines @SerbianLinuks favourited 'How To Install IceCat On Any Distro http://t.co/bSK9ZMjdSb'		Nov 22 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Pushes Forward with CentOS [VIDEO]	Nov 22 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SY30eGFEgU (www.serverwatch.com)	Nov 22 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxuv	Nov 22 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com \| Red Hat Pushes Forward with CentOS [VIDEO]		Nov 22 20:12
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/536250174759501824	Nov 22 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eee_eff: Same in #Stl @schestowitz German-style street markets are rapidly spreading across the city this Christmas. Up from one location to about 5		Nov 22 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.4.5 beta released	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DX49I8Irjx (www.elivecd.org) "The	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	Elive Team is proud to announce the release of	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	the beta version 2.4.5"	Nov 22 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.elivecd.org \| Elive 2.4.5 beta released - Elive		Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxyl	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Pushes Forward with CentOS [VIDEO]	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CZUr4HAiLF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxyn	Nov 22 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat Pushes Forward with CentOS [VIDEO] \| Tux Machines		Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.4.5 beta released	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jMhOS7aR3x (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxyo	Nov 22 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Elive 2.4.5 beta released \| Tux Machines		Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Guadalinex v9 is out http://t.co/93bdYEevB0	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.guadalinex.org) used by a lot of	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	Europeans.	Nov 22 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuxyp	Nov 22 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.guadalinex.org \| Guadalinex v9 llega para quedarse. — Portal Guadalinex		Nov 22 20:23
MinceR	http://blog.halon.org.uk/2014/11/barbie-the-debian-developer/	Nov 22 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.halon.org.uk \| Barbie the Debian Developer - Liberal Murmurs [ http://ur1.ca/iuxzp ]		Nov 22 20:26
schestowitz_bed2	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/536254932475588608	Nov 22 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Congratulations! (HINT, hint: Last invite for Tea i got in UK was from Wilberforce)		Nov 22 20:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OPNFV Adds Chinese Telecom to Open Source	Nov 22 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	NFV/SDN Partnership http://t.co/Adl8IOItcn	Nov 22 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuy94	Nov 22 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OPNFV Adds Chinese Telecom to Open Source NFV/SDN Partnership \| Tux Machines		Nov 22 20:52
*TweetTuxMachines @OpenSourceRDT favourited 'OPNFV Adds Chinese Telecom to Open Source NFV/SDN...'		Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10 Great Plasma Widgets for KDE with	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	Screenshots http://t.co/A4opDkKKM7	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 22 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| 10 Great Plasma Widgets for KDE with Screenshots \| TuxArena		Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuyha	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Council Elections Interview with Rex Dieter	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	(rdieter) http://t.co/orsvPRIYz4	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	(fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuyhe	Nov 22 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Council Elections Interview with Rex Dieter (rdieter) \| Fedora Magazine		Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/9Bwq97Whm6 (www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 22 21:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuyhf	Nov 22 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| 11 Linux Games Up to 86% Discount During This Steam Weeklong Deal \| TuxArena		Nov 22 21:14
schestowitz_bed2	> http://freebsdfoundation.blogspot.com/2014/11/freebsd-foundation-announces-generous.html	Nov 22 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freebsdfoundation.blogspot.com \| FreeBSD Foundation: Updated! - FreeBSD Foundation Announces Generous Donation and Fundraising Milestone [ http://ur1.ca/iuykz ]		Nov 22 21:26
schestowitz_bed2	>	Nov 22 21:26
schestowitz_bed2	> Warning: the blog links to FB.	Nov 22 21:26
schestowitz_bed2	> http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-pays-university-for-piracy-research-141118/	Nov 22 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| MPAA Pays University $1,000,000 For Piracy Research \| TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/iuyud ]		Nov 22 21:56
schestowitz_bed2	>	Nov 22 21:56
schestowitz_bed2	> "research" as in M$ "Research"	Nov 22 21:56
schestowitz_bed2	> http://kdvr.com/2014/11/18/tom-fallis-arrested-on-murder-charge-2-years-after-wifes-shooting-death/	Nov 22 22:06
schestowitz_bed2	> http://kdvr.com/2014/04/08/evans-detective-accused-of-covering-up-evidence-to-hide-murder-as-suicide/	Nov 22 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kdvr.com \| Fmr. deputy Tom Fallis arrested on murder charge nearly three years after shooting death of wife \| FOX31 Denver [ http://ur1.ca/iuywv ]		Nov 22 22:06
schestowitz_bed2	>	Nov 22 22:06
schestowitz_bed2	> back of the head... yet it took 2 years	Nov 22 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kdvr.com \| Evans detective accused of covering up evidence to hide murder as suicide \| FOX31 Denver [ http://ur1.ca/iuywy ]		Nov 22 22:06
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schestowitz_bed2	https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/11/19/0826247&mode=nested&threshold=3	Nov 22 22:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org \| Debian General Resolution to Prevent Init System Coupling Fails to Pass - SoylentNews [ http://ur1.ca/iuyzm ]		Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	"	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	Really shitty, shitty news for Debian and its derivatives. It could	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	torpedo all of Linux. I can no longer recommend it when people ask. I	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	have to learn FreeBSD now because it has longer support cycles than	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	OpenBSD. I have 4 years to quit Ubuntu LTS though. PC-BSD might	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	improve enough by then.	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz_bed2	"	Nov 22 22:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10 Great Plasma Widgets for KDE with	Nov 22 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	Screenshots http://t.co/5nn5uBqir6	Nov 22 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 22 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuz6f	Nov 22 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 10 Great Plasma Widgets for KDE with Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Nov 22 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What Can You Do For Linux Gaming?	Nov 22 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/u1ONWUvhk9 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 22 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iuz6g	Nov 22 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| What Can You Do For Linux Gaming? \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 22 22:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A	Nov 16 02:29
TweetTuxMachines	SoC</a> http://t.co/CV8ZtWVP7V	Nov 16 02:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A SoC · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 16 02:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isboo	Nov 16 02:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland Live CD ISOs Updated	Nov 16 02:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OCtKZOsTzj (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 16 02:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isbop	Nov 16 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Wayland Live CD ISOs Updated		Nov 16 02:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New "open-source web browser that carries the	Nov 16 02:46
TweetTuxMachines	best features from Opera."	Nov 16 02:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wRvxZTCICL (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 16 02:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland Live CD ISOs Updated	Nov 16 04:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [ANNOUNCE] Fifth, a new browser using	Nov 16 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	WebkitFLTK http://t.co/6CazsuhqXW	Nov 16 04:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Timesys tips LinuxLink support for Renesas RZ/A	Nov 16 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	SoC http://t.co/7k39ah9TvY	Nov 16 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 04:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/533943416733061120	Nov 16 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: Wow. Munich council uses #Linux on all of its desktops. https://t.co/0pI7KeOKT1 @schestowitz, do you know any councils?		Nov 16 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joinup.ec.europa.eu \| City of Munich: "Migration to sustainable desktop completed successfully" \| Joinup		Nov 16 06:32
schestowitz	Latin America...	Nov 16 06:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SalehTarhuni/status/533962139472769024	Nov 16 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SalehTarhuni: @schestowitz @delimansc I don't think Assad really hates IS down deep.They're his lifeline. Claims of deliberate ease-down to them at first		Nov 16 07:42
MinceR	geekings	Nov 16 08:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/533975971586531328	Nov 16 08:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz Earlier #Assange was saying that ~#secrecy breeds #ineptitude~; guess it applies to @USPS #DataBreach http://t.co/4BZh1LU7J5		Nov 16 08:40
schestowitz	MinceR: how's it going?	Nov 16 08:40
MinceR	could be better	Nov 16 08:40
schestowitz	http://www.bustle.com/articles/49361-russia-is-creating-its-own-alternative-wikipedia-and-its-as-creepy-as-it-sounds	Nov 16 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bustle.com \| Bustle [ http://ur1.ca/isdnc ]		Nov 16 08:41
schestowitz	See the links	Nov 16 08:41
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MinceR	russia is growing more pathetic all the time	Nov 16 08:50
schestowitz	http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/11/16/247028_obama-to-putin-stop-ukraine-aggression.html?rh=1	Nov 16 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcclatchydc.com \| BRISBANE, AUSTRALIA: Obama to Putin: Stop Ukraine aggression \| Washington Watch \| McClatchy DC [ http://ur1.ca/isdsj ]		Nov 16 09:01
MinceR	http://img.444.hu/Putler.jpg	Nov 16 09:06
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/nov/16/william-gibson-interview-the-peripheral	Nov 16 09:08
schestowitz	Creation?	Nov 16 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| William Gibson: ‘We always think of ourselves as the cream of creation’ \| Books \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/isdtv ]		Nov 16 09:08
MinceR	creationists "think" of themselves as such	Nov 16 09:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533976993692659713 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533977414456840192 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533980008776470528	Nov 16 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Hunted by the CIA, he was captured by the military in Bolivia on October 8, 1967, and executed the following day." http://t.co/lMapvJevzY		Nov 16 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.expatica.com \| ES News \| Expatica Spain		Nov 16 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Obama Administration Leaves Door Wide Open for #Torture to Occur Again http://t.co/zLRiNwriLg #weTorturedSomeFolks #DestroyedSomeTapes		Nov 16 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> therealnews.com \| Obama Administration Leaves Door Wide Open for Torture to Occur Again		Nov 16 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Thirteen years post-9/11, out-of-control violence replaced regional stability. Prospects ahead look worse" http://t.co/HiCtTraFvW		Nov 16 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thepeoplesvoice.org \| Looming US Ground Wars in Iraq and Syria		Nov 16 09:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533980715776745473 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533981103179431937 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533982331070324737	Nov 16 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: David Swanson: "primary thing the U.S. government does is wage wars, and it wages them against other people" http://t.co/rFgv5RJyYa		Nov 16 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eurasiareview.com \| The World Gets The Wars Americans Deserve - OpEd - Eurasia Review		Nov 16 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "criticism from Turkey and Gulf states because of its focus on fighting Islamist militias rather than Assad." https://t.co/weVJkyzKXb		Nov 16 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.vice.com \| Obama Has No Good Options for Ending the War in Syria \| VICE News		Nov 16 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #cheney "admits too that he used 9/11 to enable spying on Americans, start the Afghan and Iraq war" http://t.co/xrdPM7peWA		Nov 16 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.lankaweb.com \| LankaWeb – What Dick Cheney’s lies on 9/11 has cost the US and impacted the world		Nov 16 09:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533984153482854400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/533984973943230464	Nov 16 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "The Constitution strongly disfavors war except in self-defense" http://t.co/LIdxnbCfFe defense of corporate profits?		Nov 16 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtontimes.com \| BRUCE FEIN: Delimiting presidential war powers - Washington Times		Nov 16 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dubbed "Putler" http://t.co/gSbDrBYGvD		Nov 16 09:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nilecoy/status/534002150842437633	Nov 16 10:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nilecoy: @schestowitz people don't need Facebook like people don't need cocaine. While factually true, try telling that to the crackheads.		Nov 16 10:19
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/534013075004084224	Nov 16 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: @schestowitz cruical is that it limits the users' horizons dramatically by connecting only users who have met face to face.		Nov 16 11:00
schestowitz	For some, seen is "met"	Nov 16 11:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CommunistWorker/status/534017237938884608	Nov 16 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CommunistWorker: @schestowitz #ClassWar http://t.co/IhmsdH0Plh #Palestine #ferguson #ClassWarrior #BRICS #imperialism http://t.co/OFHBimFVNo		Nov 16 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cwgusa.wordpress.com \| Class War Vol 2 No 3 \| Communist Workers Group (CWG-USA)		Nov 16 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cwgusa.wordpress.com \| BRICS around the neck of the proletariat Class Warrior #7 \| Communist Workers Group (CWG-USA)		Nov 16 11:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/534019855142633472	Nov 16 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: @schestowitz but on #facebook you find people by searching for their names whereas on #twitter it's about interest, for example open source.		Nov 16 11:31
schestowitz	yes, gossip versus ideas	Nov 16 11:31
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5176343	Nov 16 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Consciousness in the Age of Digital Dystopia http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/27318-consciousness-in-the-age-of-digital-dystopia #surveillance as silent, invisible imprisonment of the mind		Nov 16 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.truth-out.org \| Consciousness in the Age of Digital Dystopia [ http://ur1.ca/isfxj ]		Nov 16 13:56
schestowitz__	This only goes into available information, not belief in said information. Again principles of Atheist thinking is a training ground for general evidence-based thinking.""	Nov 16 13:56
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5174050	Nov 16 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don't take pride in #microsoft certifications: Five-year-old passes Microsoft exam http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30054140		Nov 16 13:57
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5That's got to violate several child cruelty and labor laws."174050	Nov 16 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.com \| BBC News - Five-year-old passes Microsoft exam [ http://ur1.ca/irzlt ]		Nov 16 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Nov 16 13:57
schestowitz__	"That's got to violate several child cruelty and labor laws."	Nov 16 13:57
schestowitz__	#microsoft employees http://www.fungur.com/chinese-factory-microsoft-office/ the ones that actually make stuff, not patent lawyers and people that buy code	Nov 16 14:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fungur.com \| Chinese Factory Microsoft Office \| FunGur.com [ http://ur1.ca/isfyw ]		Nov 16 14:00
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5175878	Nov 16 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of people I speak to don't understand what patents inherently are and how they work. They have that lightbulb/Edison image in the head		Nov 16 14:01
schestowitz__	"Still trying to learn what patents are. It's very confusing."	Nov 16 14:01
schestowitz__	What they used to be or existed to become in the first place is not what they are now	Nov 16 14:02
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5176767	Nov 16 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #whitewash of expelled ambassador Heather Hodges http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20141110/ambassador-thrown-out-of-ecuador-after-wikileaks-scandal-will-talk-about-her-life-and-times-at-kirtland-event feeding dirt to Washington about #ecuador		Nov 16 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.news-herald.com \| Ambassador thrown out of Ecuador after WikiLeaks scandal will talk about her life and times at Kirtland event [ http://ur1.ca/isfzn ]		Nov 16 14:03
schestowitz__	"Another person not appreciated by its effort of spreading freedom and democracy in behalf of the US. I can notice a pattern here."	Nov 16 14:03
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4890191	Nov 16 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The #Alpine #Linux project is pleased to announce the immediate availability of version 3.0.5" http://alpinelinux.org/release-3.0.5		Nov 16 14:04
schestowitz__	"This is a great distro which brings real fully functionnal experiments… For my part, the first installation was successful, and apk has never broken. I love using it everyday on my amd64 workstation !"	Nov 16 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> alpinelinux.org \| Alpine 3.0.5 released \| Alpine Linux		Nov 16 14:04
schestowitz__	> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00010.html	Nov 16 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org \| [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering [ http://ur1.ca/isg3t ]		Nov 16 14:21
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 14:21
schestowitz__	> Boy did that get watered down, if that's the GR that was proposed.	Nov 16 14:21
schestowitz__	>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/11/microsoft-builds-a-skype-web-client-for-at-least-one-version-of-the-web/	Nov 16 14:32
schestowitz__	>> >	Nov 16 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Microsoft builds a Skype Web client… for at least one version of the Web \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/isg3d ]		Nov 16 14:32
schestowitz__	>> > Microsoft Peter is poo-pooing standards again, as he did with VP8 and	Nov 16 14:32
schestowitz__	>> > others...	Nov 16 14:32
schestowitz__	> In addition to that, it may also be a lame excuse to stop developing a	Nov 16 14:32
schestowitz__	> native Linux client, not that it would be all bad to do so. All the	Nov 16 14:32
schestowitz__	> more reason to get people to start using SIP. If they can't switch over	Nov 16 14:32
schestowitz__	> all the way, they can at least start using it in parallel. There are	Nov 16 14:32
schestowitz__	> good SIP clients to choose from and they are all interoperable.	Nov 16 14:32
schestowitz__	Then there's a raft of other proprietary VOIP clients, inc. WhatsApp and Viber... even Google hangover [sic] ('cloud').	Nov 16 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox Developer Edition 35 Alpha 2 Has Been	Nov 16 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	Released. + Installation Instructions For Most	Nov 16 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	Popular Linux Systems http://t.co/9JjVSYWhnD	Nov 16 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxg.net)	Nov 16 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgcj	Nov 16 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Firefox Developer Edition 35 Alpha 2 Has Been Released. + Installation Instructions For The Most Popular Linux Systems \| LinuxG.net		Nov 16 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/f5ZECMV1d8	Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgd3	Nov 16 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/zuKagedPWb	Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgd4	Nov 16 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debunking Several Days of Never-Ending Lies	Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	About #Microsoft and #dotNET	Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VLR8oGMtrl (techrights.org)	Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgd5	Nov 16 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Debunking Several Days of Never-Ending Lies About Microsoft and .NET \| Techrights		Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will Write for FUD (Against FOSS)	Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xGvjQ0ZrOA (techrights.org) #	Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgd6	Nov 16 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Will Write for FUD (Against FOSS) \| Techrights		Nov 16 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nightmares With UEFI ‘Secure’ Boot (i.e.	Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Monopoly Imposed) Continue to Affect	Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	GNU Linux Users http://t.co/2E2LaRE6Jg	Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isget	Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Magnificent Linux Music Streaming Clients	Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/T5OxpeFfHO (www.linuxlinks.com)	Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgeu	Nov 16 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Terrible Joke Which is Microsoft ‘Loving’ Linux: Nightmares With UEFI ‘Secure’ Boot (i.e. Windows Monopoly Imposed) Continue to Affect GNU/Linux Users \| Techrights		Nov 16 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxlinks.com \| Five Magnificent Linux Music Streaming Clients - Linux Links - The Linux Portal Site		Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Urban Terror 4.2.021 Updates the HUD, Many Bug	Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes and Enhancements http://t.co/hvNN6yvLUH	Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 16 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| Urban Terror 4.2.021 Updates the HUD, Many Bug Fixes and Enhancements \| TuxArena		Nov 16 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgev	Nov 16 15:12
*TweetTuxMachines @accusoftinfoway retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Debunking Several Days of Never-Ending Lies About #Microsoft...'		Nov 16 15:15
*TweetTuxMachines @L_L_Ancora favourited 'Debunking Several Days of Never-Ending Lies About #Microsoft...'		Nov 16 16:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23~25 Might Switch Away From Firefox	Nov 16 16:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SeopMP7bHf (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 16 16:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgqn	Nov 16 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Fedora 23~25 Might Switch Away From Firefox		Nov 16 16:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Kernel Now Explicitly Uses GNU89, Not	Nov 16 16:03
TweetTuxMachines	Yet C11 Friendly http://t.co/xvvd0aN0aD	Nov 16 16:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 16 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] The Linux Kernel Now Explicitly Uses GNU89, Not Yet C11 Friendly		Nov 16 16:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isgqo	Nov 16 16:03
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5175887	Nov 16 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Trying to emulate limitations of paper, some sites continue to use superscript with numbers & full URLs as footnotes rather than hyperlinks		Nov 16 16:04
schestowitz__	"I used to be bothered by this, but sometimes I think it's kind of nice to know a little information about what the link is about which you don't get with a single or a couple words hyperlinked, you do get that with bibliographic-styled web sites and that's sometimes nice. For things that aren't very academic, it is sometimes undesirable, I agree with that."	Nov 16 16:04
schestowitz__	Not a matter of academic or not, except in the academic there's more paper and paywalls, so links don't apply much of the time	Nov 16 16:04
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/534089800589271043	Nov 16 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz @evenorbert Five Reasons to Reject the Webkit Monoculture (and I agree) http://t.co/8iXXlJMiAj		Nov 16 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.sitepoint.com \| 5 Reasons to Reject the WebKit Monoculture		Nov 16 16:06
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5177977	Nov 16 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Fedora 23~25 Might Switch Away From Firefox http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg0MTA #mozilla #firefox		Nov 16 16:25
schestowitz__	"Epiphany is pretty good already, and extremely GNOMEy. People who care can always install Firefox. Or Opera, for that matter."	Nov 16 16:25
MinceR	worse than that, fedora will or already has switched to systemd	Nov 16 16:26
schestowitz__	"It's not called Epiphany anymore, it's called Web now, which has to be the worst name ever for a browser. It's more than likely because it's made to integrate with GNOME 3 and Fedora ships GNOME 3 by default."	Nov 16 16:58
schestowitz__	"CyanogenMod ships with the Browser browser :)"	Nov 16 16:58
schestowitz__	heh	Nov 16 16:58
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178227	Nov 16 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Animaciones La curiosidad mató al gato jejeje		Nov 16 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by atari130xe@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_089d03f57a879eb47538.gif		Nov 16 16:58
schestowitz__	"	Nov 16 16:58
schestowitz__	s	Nov 16 16:58
schestowitz__	Oooo	Nov 16 16:58
schestowitz__	"	Nov 16 16:58
MinceR	they could merge them to create the Web Browser web browser.	Nov 16 16:59
MinceR	gn	Nov 16 17:25
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5176690	Nov 16 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 85 richest now have as much money as poorest 3.5B http://www.9news.com/story/money/2014/11/08/warren-buffet-richest-americans-poorest-people/18718465/ more of an ad for #billgates by #usatoday (plutocrats-owned)		Nov 16 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.9news.com \| 85 richest now have as much money as poorest 3.5B [ http://ur1.ca/ishbg ]		Nov 16 17:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines xfdesktop 4.10.3 released	Nov 16 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TlU2LFilzz (mail.xfce.org)	Nov 16 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishcl	Nov 16 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mail.xfce.org \| ANNOUNCE: xfdesktop 4.10.3 released		Nov 16 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 16/11/2014: Xfdesktop 4.10.3, GNU Hello	Nov 16 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	2.10 http://t.co/8PDL4nV7ow (techrights.org)	Nov 16 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishcm	Nov 16 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 16/11/2014: Xfdesktop 4.10.3, GNU Hello 2.10 \| Techrights		Nov 16 17:42
schestowitz__	"In other words, IF the 85 richest were to give up their money, you could double the wealth of 3.5 billion people."	Nov 16 18:01
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/evenorbert/status/534118376822808576	Nov 16 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@evenorbert: @fcassia @schestowitz very important and good article. All of them are valid points.		Nov 16 18:01
schestowitz__	> Dear Sir,	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> Thanks for reply. For all futher information you can contact us at any time.	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> Bst rgds,	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> Ingrid / No Corruption	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	I will try to publish this tomorrow, but we're moving houses that day, so can't promise it'll be ready by then.	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	Regards,	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> Just so that you are informed:	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> A contact of ours received the following query from a source in Zagreb:	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> /"media press <mediapress@net.hr <mailto:mediapress@net.hr>>	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> pls be so kind and send us e-mail adress of Mr. Roy Schestowitz.	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> So, no twitter, no facebook, just e-mail adress.	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> Reason: "case" Zeljko Topic and distribution lot of documentation.	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> Expecting your urgent reply,bst rgds.	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	> Mediapress Zagreb"	Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:19
schestowitz__	> /	Nov 16 18:19
schestowitz__	> We passed on your e-mail to the source of the query.	Nov 16 18:19
schestowitz__	> We don't know exactly what this is about but it seems like they want to	Nov 16 18:19
schestowitz__	> send you some documents about the Topic case./	Nov 16 18:19
schestowitz__	> /	Nov 16 18:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide	Nov 16 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Vk3x5JW99m	Nov 16 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Nov 16 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide « Everyday Linux User		Nov 16 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishn5	Nov 16 18:31
*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited 'The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide http://t.co/Vk3x5JW99m'		Nov 16 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23~25 Might Switch Away From Firefox	Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GbG7tor8ml (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishn7	Nov 16 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23~25 Might Switch Away From Firefox \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Kernel Now Explicitly Uses GNU89, Not	Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	Yet C11 Friendly http://t.co/CX4d9Fpd30	Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishn8	Nov 16 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Linux Kernel Now Explicitly Uses GNU89, Not Yet C11 Friendly \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Govt logs into open source policy to cut	Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	software costs http://t.co/piQgBjjXEF	Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishn9	Nov 16 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Govt logs into open source policy to cut software costs \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/0WA6uLptQC	Nov 16 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ishny	Nov 16 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide	Nov 16 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JSVixZw8KL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isho0	Nov 16 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 18:35
schestowitz__	> Dear Sir,	Nov 16 18:43
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:43
schestowitz__	> Thanks for reply. For all futher information you can contact us at any time.	Nov 16 18:43
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:43
schestowitz__	> Bst rgds,	Nov 16 18:43
schestowitz__	> Dear Sirs!	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> Few days ago NGO „No Corruption“ pass subscript mail to Editor of web	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> site http://techrights.org/ with some informations about „case EPO &	Nov 16 18:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/* )		Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> Zeljko Topic“ and with final RQ: Is journalist Zeljko Peratovic corrupted?	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> We think that any further comment would be superfluous.	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> Please, be so kind and forwarding mentioned mail (and attach, too) to	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> futher investigation in your organisation and inform about your decision	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> EU and World media services.	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> Expecting your response, once again we would like to thank you very much	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> for your help and efforts you're going to make.	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> Sincerely,	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	> NGO No Corruption	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:44
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:45
schestowitz__	> Zagreb / Croatia	Nov 16 18:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:45
schestowitz__	>	Nov 16 18:45
schestowitz__	> Copy: www.techrights.org	Nov 16 18:45
*TweetTuxMachines @IoTSmart favourited 'Govt logs into open source policy to cut...'		Nov 16 19:04
*TweetTuxMachines @OpenSourceRDT favourited 'Govt logs into open source policy to cut...'		Nov 16 19:04
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/534089800589271043?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=email	Nov 16 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz @evenorbert Five Reasons to Reject the Webkit Monoculture (and I agree) http://t.co/8iXXlJMiAj		Nov 16 19:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited 'The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide http://t.co/JSVixZw8KL'		Nov 16 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Ultimate Ubuntu MATE Installation Guide \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian Developer Resigns From The Systemd	Nov 16 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	Maintainership Team http://t.co/V8XGrIvM5k	Nov 16 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com) http://t.co/ILVhingFva	Nov 16 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Debian Developer Resigns From The Systemd Maintainership Team		Nov 16 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	(lists.alioth.debian.org)	Nov 16 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.alioth.debian.org \| Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team		Nov 16 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isi0b	Nov 16 19:40
schestowitz__	Hogewash: http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2014/11/what-microsofts-shift-to-open-source-for-net-means/	Nov 16 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lifehacker.com.au \| What Microsoft's Shift To Open Source For .NET Means \| Lifehacker Australia [ http://ur1.ca/isi14 ]		Nov 16 19:43
schestowitz__	"Microsoft will now be working with organisations like Xamarin who have been providing a version of this platform across different mobile operating systems for some time but doing so without explicit and direct support from Microsoft."	Nov 16 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE VS Lubuntu On An Old Netbook	Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Rz01PFcbGv	Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Nov 16 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| Ubuntu MATE VS Lubuntu On An Old Netbook « Everyday Linux User		Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isi42	Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 with Cinnamon 2.4 Looks	Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	Beautiful [Overview, Screenshots, What's New]	Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9ph7JuANBv (www.tuxarena.com)	Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isi43	Nov 16 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| Linux Mint 17.1 with Cinnamon 2.4 Looks Beautiful [Overview, Screenshots, What's New] \| TuxArena		Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer	Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	team http://t.co/cbeGfRa03K	Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isi44	Nov 16 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE VS Lubuntu On An Old Netbook	Nov 16 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/09JBjkvYMW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isia0	Nov 16 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu MATE VS Lubuntu On An Old Netbook \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 with Cinnamon 2.4 Looks	Nov 16 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	Beautiful [Overview, Screenshots, What's New]	Nov 16 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jmqe6C7gRa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 16 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isia7	Nov 16 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 17.1 with Cinnamon 2.4 Looks Beautiful [Overview, Screenshots, What's New] \| Tux Machines		Nov 16 20:28
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5170979	Nov 17 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk PM: People Aren't Radicalized By Foreign Policy, But By Free Speech Online, So ISPs Agree To Censor Button https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141114/06414329138/david-cameron-says-people-arent-radicalized-poverty-foreign-policy-free-speech-online-so-isps-agree-to-censor-button.shtml		Nov 17 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| David Cameron Says People Aren't Radicalized By Poverty Or Foreign Policy, But By Free Speech Online, So ISPs Agree To Censor Button \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/is76m ]		Nov 17 03:08
schestowitz__	Oooohh... that comment deserves reporting, right there!""	Nov 17 03:08
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178223	Nov 17 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: the toaster... ![the toaster...](http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m43t64L7sH1qz6ygbo1_500.gif) #toaster #blade #knife #slice #slicing #loafofbread #bread #animatedgif		Nov 17 03:09
schestowitz__	"More elegant than a blaster."	Nov 17 03:09
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178392	Nov 17 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### Radfahrers Alptraum / Cyclists Nightmare [![](http://erikjohanssonphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/levl.jpg)](http://erikjohanssonphoto.com/work/vertical-turn/) #erikjohansson first seen [here](/posts/7dd6be40410c01321d5200259069449e) #radfahren #fahrrad #cycling #bicycle #photografie #photography #art #kunst #surrealismus #surrealism		Nov 17 03:09
schestowitz__	Oh, c'mon. Prove you're worthy. #XtremeCycling""	Nov 17 03:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian Developer Resigns From The Systemd	Nov 17 03:21
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Maintainership Team http://t.co/V8XGrIvM5k	Nov 17 03:21
TweetTuxMachines	@SerbianLinuks (www.phoronix.com) http://t.co/ILVhingFva	Nov 17 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Debian Developer Resigns From The Systemd Maintainership Team		Nov 17 03:21
TweetTuxMachines	(lists.alioth.debian.org)	Nov 17 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.alioth.debian.org \| Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team		Nov 17 03:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/iskuv	Nov 17 03:21
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179495	Nov 17 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: "LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer going to use the LoCo term because they felt it was offensive in spanish" http://benjaminkerensa.com/2014/11/16/loco-stands-for-local-community		Nov 17 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> benjaminkerensa.com \| LoCo stands for Local Community – Benjamin Kerensa [ http://ur1.ca/iskzl ]		Nov 17 03:42
schestowitz__	"Personally, I'd be proud to be called "un poco loco". :)"	Nov 17 03:42
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178413	Nov 17 03:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Learning about the ball effect ![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-D6HrSsj8u90/VF_xbg53M1I/AAAAAAACeoI/1u637kpcQNs/s1600/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7749-1414605999-18.gif) ![](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hCx5sDCb0X0/VF_xZ7YaifI/AAAAAAACen0/P_hvXPUXQAE/s1600/anigif_enhanced-buzz-21105-1414605875-55.gif) #gif		Nov 17 03:43
schestowitz__	"I'm intrigued that the picture on the wall in the lower image seems unperturbed by the child bouncing off it."	Nov 17 03:43
schestowitz__	"This is the result of lack of imagination and knowledge. Too bad that politicians are like that..."	Nov 17 03:43
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5176433	Nov 17 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:		Nov 17 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by anotherworld@diasp.eu: https://diasp.eu/uploads/images/thumb_medium_2153015f70ea48f74ada.jpg		Nov 17 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by anotherworld@diasp.eu: https://diasp.eu/uploads/images/thumb_medium_2153015f70ea48f74ada.jpg		Nov 17 03:44
schestowitz__	"Well, it is up to you to chose what to believe in. The text itself has no particular force behind it. It is a simple statement of a fact, devoid of any opinion. So in my opinion I find it believable. Even if the man helped only in a fraction of cases, that is beyond the scope of the message. The message boils down to "a man saved a hundred and sixty people during his life". Is it that hard to believe it for you, LW Flouisa?"	Nov 17 03:44
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178195	Nov 17 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![](https://38.media.tumblr.com/6b140142d022609109c4488560eb93ac/tumblr_nf1vvbrx2z1qhttpto2_1280.jpg)![](https://38.media.tumblr.com/7510d9adf671480ecac966b10f1f4fba/tumblr_nf1vvbrx2z1qhttpto3_1280.jpg)![](https://31.media.tumblr.com/8fad92c22408bd05be0b7db96388a88f/tumblr_nf1vvbrx2z1qhttpto4_1280.jpg)![](https://38.media.tumblr.com/1de0e92524bf3dac719009a9d4c1e182/tumblr_nf1vvbrx2z1qhttpto5_1280.jpg)		Nov 17 03:45
schestowitz__	"It sure feels nice to realise that I am able to read those drawings, even if just a little."	Nov 17 03:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178227	Nov 17 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Animaciones La curiosidad mató al gato jejeje		Nov 17 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by atari130xe@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_089d03f57a879eb47538.gif		Nov 17 03:45
schestowitz__	"Wait - what about the bus behind the glass? It is cut off! O.o"	Nov 17 03:45
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178419	Nov 17 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Animaciones #Humor "me dás una mano con un empujoncito?" :P		Nov 17 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by atari130xe@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_7d939fa8f6d2dc8c7f92.gif		Nov 17 03:46
schestowitz__	Excellent.""	Nov 17 03:46
schestowitz__	"Excellent."	Nov 17 03:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.18-rc5 http://t.co/wRlYKozj7q	Nov 17 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	(lkml.iu.edu)	Nov 17 03:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu \| Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 3.18-rc5		Nov 17 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl25	Nov 17 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer	Nov 17 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	going to use the LoCo term because they felt it	Nov 17 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	was offensive in spanish"	Nov 17 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KTqzDk5MrC (benjaminkerensa.com)	Nov 17 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl26	Nov 17 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.18-rc5 http://t.co/LwYtrwyiEE	Nov 17 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl27	Nov 17 03:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 3.18-rc5 \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 03:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited '"LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer...'		Nov 17 04:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ultimate General: Gettysburg, A Tactical Battle	Nov 17 04:00
TweetTuxMachines	Simulator, Released For Linux With A Big Patch	Nov 17 04:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/g3TO9ea7YW (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 17 04:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl49	Nov 17 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Ultimate General: Gettysburg, A Tactical Battle Simulator, Released For Linux With A Big Patch \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 17 04:01
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/4893544	Nov 17 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If Google actually cared about standards it would have sped up the adoption of #odf #ogg and #WebRTC - but Google does it its own way.		Nov 17 04:04
schestowitz__	"Google blows. I'm over them."	Nov 17 04:04
schestowitz__	"Google is piece by piece decomissioning it's major open source initiatives and replacing them with closed source, closed standards, centralized software running off their network. Android's once Free mail app seems to be the latest casualty in Android 5, catching up with XMPP chat, Android SMS management, Google Reader > G+ etc."	Nov 17 04:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Gear S now on Amazon India for Rs	Nov 17 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	27,900 http://t.co/FfiK2SWxtK	Nov 17 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Nov 17 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Samsung Gear S now on Amazon India for Rs 27,900 - Tizen Experts		Nov 17 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl94	Nov 17 04:20
*TweetTuxMachines @dealkhojo followed @tuxmachines		Nov 17 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Android’s ‘Lollipop’ upgrade is sweet	Nov 17 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uiaMPh3HLs (seattletimes.com)	Nov 17 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isl95	Nov 17 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-seattletimes.com \| Review: Android’s ‘Lollipop’ upgrade is sweet \| Business & Technology \| The Seattle Times		Nov 17 04:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Android’s ‘Lollipop’ upgrade is sweet	Nov 17 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M9bACejU6a (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islab	Nov 17 04:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Review: Android’s ‘Lollipop’ upgrade is sweet \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for	Nov 17 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Touch – Video http://t.co/FQFWWpcNEw	Nov 17 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islac	Nov 17 04:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for Ubuntu Touch – Video \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17 RC "Rebecca" MATE Is Out and	Nov 17 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	Features Full Compiz Support – Screenshot Tour	Nov 17 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lryubcOZy0 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islae	Nov 17 04:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 17 RC "Rebecca" MATE Is Out and Features Full Compiz Support – Screenshot Tour \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 04:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/534272526785216513	Nov 17 04:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Labour seems likely to win next year's #uk election based on recent polls https://t.co/QK0LGWkKuR whatever keeps 'Conservatives' out...		Nov 17 04:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org \| Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Nov 17 04:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179594	Nov 17 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Labour seems likely to win next year's #uk election based on recent polls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2014 whatever keeps 'Conservatives' out...		Nov 17 04:48
schestowitz	"Tactical voting died off when people realised tories/lib/lab are ALL the SAME. I'm personally voting green, I want to inhale oxygen in the 2050's, rather than, you know, be dead."	Nov 17 04:48
schestowitz	"The main parties also have declared a war on privacy, they literally all hate it."	Nov 17 04:48
schestowitz	I'd never vote for these parties, but then again, I don't control the overall outcome	Nov 17 04:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179483	Nov 17 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ORG calls for political parties to state their position on surveillance https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press/releases/org-call-for-political-parties-to-state-their-position-on-surveillance #uk #surveillance		Nov 17 04:49
schestowitz	"Labour: Introduced RIPA - conclusion, hates privacy Lib/Con: bought in lots of censorship tools, supported gchq, increase in public CCTV- conclusion, hates privacy. I suspect the Greens being activists and all will oppose surveillance."	Nov 17 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.openrightsgroup.org \| Open Rights Group - ORG calls for political parties to state their position on surveillance [ http://ur1.ca/islg7 ]		Nov 17 04:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179804	Nov 17 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Russian Law Demanding User Data Remain On Russian Soil Could Turn Into A Ban On Apple Products https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141106/09204629065/russian-law-demanding-user-data-remain-russian-soil-could-turn-into-ban-apple-products.shtml #apple #russia		Nov 17 05:37
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| Russian Law Demanding User Data Remain On Russian Soil Could Turn Into A Ban On Apple Products \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/islpj ]		Nov 17 05:37
schestowitz	Judging from the tone of the article, I think techdirt is trying to convince us that keeping user data out of the reach of the NSA and the US government is instead an attempt by Russia to censor the internet, and they appear a bit critical against #Snowden as well...	Nov 17 05:37
schestowitz	besides, I think Facebook is already considering installing local servers in Russia for the Russian users to comply with the regulation, so it's no big deal to be done.	Nov 17 05:37
schestowitz	Plus, f@ck Apple! :-)	Nov 17 05:37
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 05:37
schestowitz	Not just Apple would be affected.	Nov 17 05:37
MinceR	yet it may very well be an attempt on russia's side to censor the internet	Nov 17 05:37
MinceR	and/or spy on it like the nsa does	Nov 17 05:38
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179783	Nov 17 05:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Either you're for an internet driver's license or you're for child molestation: which is it?" https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141110/11592629097/ontario-police-inspector-says-he-wants-drivers-license-internet.shtml #police #canada		Nov 17 05:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| Ontario Police Inspector Says He Wants A 'Driver's License For The Internet' \| Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/islpn ]		Nov 17 05:38
schestowitz	"Wow!"	Nov 17 05:38
schestowitz	MinceR: yes, of course	Nov 17 05:38
MinceR	i'm for child molestation, apparently	Nov 17 05:38
MinceR	hurray for the catholic church.	Nov 17 05:38
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179495	Nov 17 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: "LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer going to use the LoCo term because they felt it was offensive in spanish" http://benjaminkerensa.com/2014/11/16/loco-stands-for-local-community		Nov 17 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> benjaminkerensa.com \| LoCo stands for Local Community – Benjamin Kerensa [ http://ur1.ca/iskzl ]		Nov 17 06:00
schestowitz	"Well, you would feel offended if you were called a "nutjob" ;)"	Nov 17 06:00
schestowitz	"Personally, I'd be proud to be called "un poco loco". :)"	Nov 17 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for	Nov 17 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Touch – Video http://t.co/lPhaxAQUOp	Nov 17 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Nov 17 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for Ubuntu Touch – Video - Softpedia		Nov 17 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islv1	Nov 17 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17 RC "Rebecca" MATE Is Out and	Nov 17 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	Features Full Compiz Support – Screenshot Tour	Nov 17 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hj25NBnjDU (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 17 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islv3	Nov 17 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux Mint 17 RC "Rebecca" MATE Is Out and Features Full Compiz Support – Screenshot Tour - Softpedia		Nov 17 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 14.10 Utopic Unicorn : Video	Nov 17 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	Overview and Screenshot Tours	Nov 17 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JC9Wy1jevT (linuxscoop.com)	Nov 17 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islv4	Nov 17 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxscoop.com \| Ubuntu Kylin 14.10 Utopic Unicorn : Video Overview and Screenshot Tours - Linux Scoop		Nov 17 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 RC "Rebecca" Cinnamon	Nov 17 06:09
TweetTuxMachines	Officially Released – Screenshot Tour	Nov 17 06:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YZ9sA1D3yQ (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 17 06:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/islvn	Nov 17 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux Mint 17.1 RC "Rebecca" Cinnamon Officially Released – Screenshot Tour - Softpedia		Nov 17 06:09
*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited 'Ubuntu Kylin 14.10 Utopic Unicorn : Video Overview...'		Nov 17 06:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away	Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	Anytime Soon http://t.co/JTespqumCy	Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 17 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away Anytime Soon - Softpedia		Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isly2	Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 14.10 Utopic Unicorn : Video	Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	Overview and Screenshot Tours	Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TDRngoyGbj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isly5	Nov 17 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Kylin 14.10 Utopic Unicorn : Video Overview and Screenshot Tours \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away	Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	Anytime Soon http://t.co/wd2jGrFjv9	Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isly7	Nov 17 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away Anytime Soon \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 06:18
schestowitz	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2iZOH1CMAEzy-Q.jpg	Nov 17 06:31
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/885f46404ef701321e0a00259069449e	Nov 17 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fabdo@pod.geraspora.de: werde wohl gleich mal in bett gehen - gähn		Nov 17 06:31
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179624	Nov 17 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for Ubuntu Touch – Video http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Developer-Creates-Gorgeous-New-Radial-Menu-for-Ubuntu-Touch-Video-465056.shtml		Nov 17 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com \| Developer Creates Gorgeous New Radial Menu for Ubuntu Touch – Video - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/ism1e ]		Nov 17 06:32
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 06:32
schestowitz	Leszek Lesner	Nov 17 06:32
schestowitz	Nice but I don't see any benefit currently for the menu and one hand useage. If the circles all open up when you pulled the menu to the middle of the screen on a >5 " you won't be able to reach all the menu items.	Nov 17 06:32
schestowitz	Such menu would make perfect sense if you could just point onto one menuitem without letting go after dragging the menu from the bottom up and when let go the pointed menu item will be executed.	Nov 17 06:32
schestowitz	I already implemented one solution for this in the webcat browser for sailfishos. But it works and looks more like a toolbar rather than that fancy circles here.	Nov 17 06:32
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 06:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 RC "Rebecca" Cinnamon	Nov 17 07:12
TweetTuxMachines	Officially Released – Screenshot Tour	Nov 17 07:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4njLFdvpt3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 07:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ismbc	Nov 17 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 17.1 RC "Rebecca" Cinnamon Officially Released – Screenshot Tour \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 07:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4 ways Docker is remaking Linux	Nov 17 07:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UmfTSpDg48 (www.infoworld.com)	Nov 17 07:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ismbe	Nov 17 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com \| 4 ways Docker is remaking Linux \| InfoWorld		Nov 17 07:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4 ways Docker is remaking Linux	Nov 17 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aqHibwtFj4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 17 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ismbf	Nov 17 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 4 ways Docker is remaking Linux \| Tux Machines		Nov 17 07:13
*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited 'Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away...'		Nov 17 07:13
*TweetTuxMachines @UbuntuReddit favourited 'Ubuntu 32-Bit ISO Images Are Not Going Away...'		Nov 17 08:35
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/leonelnc/status/534314876252848128	Nov 17 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@leonelnc: @schestowitz and where is mono in linux now? Irrelevant even with the .net source released still irrelevant, I hope the same for systemd		Nov 17 13:56
MinceR	i doubt it's the same for systemd	Nov 17 14:57
MinceR	systemd already killed debian	Nov 17 14:57
MinceR	and the fedora/red hat family	Nov 17 14:58
schestowitz	not in that order	Nov 17 14:58
schestowitz	I think Debian might still have a way out	Nov 17 14:58
MinceR	well, to me, debian was a lot more important to fedora	Nov 17 15:02
MinceR	and afaict the only way out would be to cancel the freeze or cancel jessie entirely	Nov 17 15:02
MinceR	and go back to sanity	Nov 17 15:02
schestowitz	do they already have systemd at its code?	Nov 17 16:15
MinceR	jessie will install systemd by default	Nov 17 16:16
MinceR	and if you dist-upgrade, it will force you to systemd	Nov 17 16:16
MinceR	and they'll happily break sysvinit on it	Nov 17 16:16
MinceR	so i'm not going to install it	Nov 17 16:16
MinceR	also, i'm tired of hopping distros to avoid stupid shit like this	Nov 17 16:16
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schestowitz	> Dear Mr. Schestowitz,	Nov 17 16:59
schestowitz	> thanks for your mail. Once again we would like to thank you very much	Nov 17 16:59
schestowitz	> for your help and efforts you're going to make.	Nov 17 16:59
schestowitz	>	Nov 17 16:59
schestowitz	> Good luck!	Nov 17 16:59
schestowitz	>	Nov 17 16:59
schestowitz	>	Nov 17 16:59
schestowitz	>	Nov 17 16:59
schestowitz	> Bst rgds,	Nov 17 16:59
schestowitz	>	Nov 17 17:00
schestowitz	> Ingrid / No Corruption	Nov 17 17:00
schestowitz	If anything new comes up, I'm here to listen.	Nov 17 17:00
MinceR	gn	Nov 17 17:35
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5178844	Nov 17 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Debian Developer Resigns From The #Systemd Maintainership Team http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg0MTY http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-systemd-maintainers/2014-November/004563.html		Nov 17 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com \| [Phoronix] Debian Developer Resigns From The Systemd Maintainership Team [ http://ur1.ca/iskp0 ]		Nov 17 18:49
schestowitz	"Oh, and by the way, I did eventually solve the booting problem on my notebook. PC-BSD, which is FreeBSD under the hood, installed successfully."	Nov 17 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> lists.alioth.debian.org \| Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team [ http://ur1.ca/isi58 ]		Nov 17 18:49
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 18:49
schestowitz	Kudos for you David, that sounds encouraging. =)	Nov 17 18:49
schestowitz	I change slowly but surely, I do not like sudden changes since I might be missing something that I would not notice until some time has passed. Today I'm installing my second OpenBSD virtual "production" server, another nginx reverse proxy, and I have another 5 OpenBSD servers for testing and patching purposes.	Nov 17 18:49
schestowitz	I still have like 50 Debian virtual servers and 5 physical machines so there is no need to rush, and so far I'm impressed with OpenBSD so if this keeps going I might have only OpenBSD servers in two or three years.	Nov 17 18:49
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 18:49
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	I like the idea of OpenBSD better than I like it in actual practice.	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	But for you, I can see how it makes a lot of sense. With the number of systems you're looking at, it makes sense to be conservative, which OpenBSD is.	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	The problem I foresee is getting OpenBSD installed on virtual servers. Unless you control the hosting yourself, it is unlikely that OpenBSD is an option for installation. Of course, with 50 of them, you might be a big enough customer that they might accommodate you. ;-)	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	It's too conservative for me. I like more recent software and FreeBSD keeps me pretty close to up-to-date.	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	OpenBSD is not perfect, for example, there is more software for FreeBSD but even so it's working for me and so far I'm happy with it.	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	All my servers are personal servers and I host them in my house, I have three physical servers and like 60 virtual ones. I find management of servers with only one kind of software easier than having everything cramped in one server. I'm finishing migrating all my servers from Squeeze to Wheezy and if I had all of my software in a single server that would have been a nightmare.	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	I'm conservative and do not like unnecessary sudden changes, maybe that's why I like OpenBSD. =)	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	And I just finished substituting the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD reverse proxy with an OpenBSD one and so far everything seems fine. This server in particular is the access to my Diaspora pod. Two OpenBSD production servers so far. =)	Nov 17 18:50
schestowitz	"	Nov 17 18:50
cubexyz	openbsd is pretty good	Nov 17 18:53
cubexyz	there's a term that describes what I do with computers	Nov 17 18:56
cubexyz	"Brownfield Architecture"	Nov 17 18:57
cubexyz	it just means that legacy systems are incorporated into a network	Nov 17 18:57
gde33	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul5oQ3wbstQ	Nov 17 19:35
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DaemonFC	Yesterday was the 41st anniversary of Richard Nixon's "I am not a crook." speech.	Nov 18 01:51
DaemonFC	Fedora is apparently deciding whether or not they want to keep Firefox as the default web browser. Some are suggesting going with Epiphany (GNOME Web).	Nov 18 01:53
DaemonFC	Apparently, the final straw was the New Tab advertisements.	Nov 18 01:53
MinceR	who cares, it's PoetteringOS	Nov 18 01:54
DaemonFC	It works well enough.	Nov 18 02:02
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schestowitz__	morning all, house move completed, now we can be more productive again	Nov 18 04:10
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/534635879793696768	Nov 18 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: @schestowitz The nice things about open source is that people create forks... http://t.co/YzW474fxon #systemd		Nov 18 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uselessd.darknedgy.net \| uselessd :: information system		Nov 18 04:17
schestowitz__	If nobody ever forks, then the promise of forks (control by users or people with similar interests and development skills) is in vain	Nov 18 04:18
MinceR	it would be better to not need forking (or dealing with at all) with inherently braindead software	Nov 18 04:21
schestowitz__	"bizarre! CIA wanted him dead FBI wanted him alive(?)...excellent communication"	Nov 18 04:21
schestowitz__	re https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fschestowitz%2Fstatus%2F522827733236064256%3Fcn%3DcmVwbHk%253D&t=1&cn=cmVwbHk%3D&sig=6903d9e5495d090a7ab7c3bb83264737e732c02d&iid=744c165f5df3473aa53e143977fc1d2e&uid=26603208&nid=27+1287	Nov 18 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com \| https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/522827733236064256?cn=cmVwbHk%3D [ http://ur1.ca/iswkj ]		Nov 18 04:22
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/522827733236064256?cn=cmVwbHk%3D	Nov 18 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremyscahill @ioerror Based on recent reports+FOIA, his father had been communicating with FBI (like an informant). Burying evidence?		Nov 18 04:22
MinceR	some real demand for a Schroedinger's Cat device	Nov 18 04:22
MinceR	http://kep.cdn.index.hu/1/0/719/7196/71960/7196091_5dfb0f1ab53782e3ca0d0dffd721a898_wm.jpg	Nov 18 04:42
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/redhatman/status/534641512362303488	Nov 18 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redhatman: @schestowitz @bob_moss incredible		Nov 18 04:45
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/vlfig/status/534643620167839744	Nov 18 04:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@vlfig: @schestowitz a much more totally legitimate content.		Nov 18 04:46
msb__	MinceR: Hi! Do you have a link for Schroedinger's Cat device? this is a map of english-speakers http://kep.cdn.index.hu/1/0/719/7196/71960/7196091_5dfb0f1ab53782e3ca0d0dffd721a898_wm.jpg	Nov 18 04:51
MinceR	i don't	Nov 18 04:51
MinceR	the two lines were intended to be independent :>	Nov 18 04:51
msb__	Ah. Thanks.	Nov 18 04:51
MinceR	the device was regarding the CIA vs. FBI thing	Nov 18 04:51
MinceR	the map shows that hungarians are the worst at this too	Nov 18 04:52
MinceR	that is, speaking english	Nov 18 04:52
msb__	Well, you're good at it!	Nov 18 04:52
msb__	And have produced some good mathematicians and scientists, right?	Nov 18 04:54
msb__	And music.	Nov 18 04:54
schestowitz__	> “I would force an ICT supplier offering an open source	Nov 18 04:58
schestowitz__	> office suite to include the costs for redevelopment of	Nov 18 04:58
schestowitz__	> all those links in the price”	Nov 18 04:58
schestowitz__	>	Nov 18 04:58
schestowitz__	> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/licence-fine-forces-town-drop-move-alternative-office-tools	Nov 18 04:58
schestowitz__	>	Nov 18 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu \| Licence fine forces town to drop move to alternative office tools \| Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/isx2z ]		Nov 18 04:58
schestowitz__	> sunk cost fallacy. Also hostile CIO, see quote. He's trying to turn	Nov 18 04:58
schestowitz__	> the following on its head:	Nov 18 04:58
schestowitz__	> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/tco-should-include-exit-costs-and-cost-vendor-lock	Nov 18 04:58
schestowitz__	>	Nov 18 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu \| 'TCO should include exit costs and cost of vendor lock-in' \| Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/affrl ]		Nov 18 04:58
schestowitz__	> In other words, migration blocked by one of M$' fifth columnists.	Nov 18 04:58
MinceR	most of whom had to leave the country to use their talent	Nov 18 05:01
MinceR	re mathematicians and scientists	Nov 18 05:01
MinceR	etc	Nov 18 05:01
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msb__	From Hungary: http://www.funpic.hu/_files/pictures/630/1/36/3601.jpg	Nov 18 05:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Licence fine forces town to drop move to	Nov 18 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	alternative office tools http://t.co/Vz6uWLbnxO	Nov 18 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isxce	Nov 18 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Licence fine forces town to drop move to alternative office tools \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Build Awesome Android Apps	Nov 18 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y81GzJfhPA (www.junauza.com)	Nov 18 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isxcf	Nov 18 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.junauza.com \| How to Build Awesome Android Apps \| TechSource		Nov 18 05:18
msb__	Article about "licence fees" is afraid to use the name GoddamnMicrosoft.	Nov 18 05:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Unofficial Lubuntu 14.10 Image Using LXQt	Nov 18 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	Has Been Released http://t.co/KYmmbQd4BB	Nov 18 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxg.net)	Nov 18 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isxpk	Nov 18 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| An Unofficial Lubuntu 14.10 Image Using LXQt Has Been Released \| LinuxG.net		Nov 18 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PC-BSD 10.1-RELEASE Now Available	Nov 18 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wuivf0DW6Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isxpo	Nov 18 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| PC-BSD 10.1-RELEASE Now Available \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Build Awesome Android Apps	Nov 18 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZCadqjWs7u (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isxpr	Nov 18 05:45
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/BerndPorr/status/534656753523507201	Nov 18 05:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BerndPorr: @schestowitz if there is demand/pressure/pain it will happen. See X11, libre office, wodim, linux sound deamons, ...		Nov 18 05:49
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/jimkillock/status/534659214841741312	Nov 18 05:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jimkillock: @schestowitz Their advice is here: https://t.co/TCOiESFRqo - basically, tell them via Twitter! @O2		Nov 18 05:49
schestowitz__	Thank you	Nov 18 05:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.blocked.org.uk \| Unblock a site		Nov 18 05:49
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/NetworkString/status/534660534487236608	Nov 18 05:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NetworkString: @jimkillock @schestowitz @O2 also try emailing to ask them to unblock or give a deadlock letter to launch an ADR (Costs them ~£300 a time)		Nov 18 05:54
schestowitz__	What's ADR about?	Nov 18 05:54
schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179495	Nov 18 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: "LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer going to use the LoCo term because they felt it was offensive in spanish" http://benjaminkerensa.com/2014/11/16/loco-stands-for-local-community		Nov 18 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> benjaminkerensa.com \| LoCo stands for Local Community – Benjamin Kerensa [ http://ur1.ca/iskzl ]		Nov 18 05:58
schestowitz__	"One dear friends of ours calls my wife "loca lady" as a term of endearment. It really depends on the context."	Nov 18 05:58
schestowitz__	It might also say a bit about his relationship with the wife	Nov 18 05:58
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/NetworkString/status/534661300295852032	Nov 18 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NetworkString: @schestowitz @jimkillock @O2 Alternative Dispute Resolution. Basically industry ombudsmen to resolve customer/ISP disputes.		Nov 18 05:58
schestowitz__	I'll check it out	Nov 18 05:58
MinceR	msb__: yeah, that's a good one	Nov 18 06:18
MinceR	http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/5c92bca/2147483647/resize/652x%3E/format/png/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2Fb9%2F70%2F2045f1df48f58df2b4dff62b45df%2F20141114edhan-a.tif	Nov 18 06:20
msb__	MinceR: "One World, One Web, One Program." - Microsoft Promotional Ad. "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer." - Adolf Hitler	Nov 18 06:20
MinceR	Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Drive.	Nov 18 06:21
MinceR	geekings	Nov 18 06:22
msb__	MinceR: Superb movie about the results of landing a spaceship on a comet: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089489/combined Dir: Tobe Hooper Writers: Colin Wilson, Dan O'Bannon	Nov 18 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com \| Lifeforce (1985) [ http://ur1.ca/isy9j ]		Nov 18 06:29
msb__	MinceR: Available in the usual naughty places. Not to be missed!	Nov 18 06:29
MinceR	:)	Nov 18 06:29
msb__	How's the real comet lander doing? Is it back on the air?	Nov 18 06:31
msb__	Should have had an atomic battery.	Nov 18 06:32
msb__	But those are out of favor because if they fall back to Earth and disintegrate, everything dies. Maybe. Pussies!	Nov 18 06:33
MinceR	dunno	Nov 18 06:34
msb__	Supposedly will wake up in the Spring: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/11/17/scientists-confident-comet-lander-will-wake-up-again/	Nov 18 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com \| Scientists ‘confident’ comet lander will wake up again \| Fox News [ http://ur1.ca/isybq ]		Nov 18 06:36
MinceR	you can tell it's Fox Noise because they scare quote the word "confident" when it applies to their arch nemeses, scientists	Nov 18 06:37
msb__	Maybe it will then send back a picture of Mathilda May!	Nov 18 06:37
msb__	I try to focus my mind on the movie/TV worlds -- often better than the real one.	Nov 18 06:39
msb__	Fox is good for plane/train crashes and such.	Nov 18 06:44
msb__	MinceR: What means "scare quote"? I think they're just saying that the statement is open to a certain amount of doubt, because the lander wasn't supposed to fall into a crack and lose power in the first place.	Nov 18 06:47
MinceR	i think they're saying that the statement is open to a certain amount of doubt because they firmly believe that the earth is flat and the stars and comets are painted on the firmament.	Nov 18 06:48
msb__	It's like an episode of "Big Bang Theory".	Nov 18 06:48
MinceR	they also believe that the moon landing was faked in a studio.	Nov 18 06:48
MinceR	they're fringe republicans.	Nov 18 06:48
msb__	gold fringe on the flag republicans	Nov 18 06:49
MinceR	:)	Nov 18 06:49
msb__	I don't think the fake-moon-landing theory is particularly right-wing.	Nov 18 06:52
msb__	And it's only one landing, not all of them. And there is some evidence, supposedly.	Nov 18 06:52
msb__	Anyhow, I love the _Apollo 13_ movie. I keep playing the takeoff sequence.	Nov 18 06:54
MinceR	http://motherboard.vice.com/read/huxleyed-into-the-full-cory-orwell-cory-doctorow	Nov 18 07:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Unofficial Lubuntu 14.10 Image Using LXQt	Nov 18 07:34
TweetTuxMachines	Has Been Released http://t.co/0pR8w6wtJ5	Nov 18 07:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 07:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isz4e	Nov 18 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| An Unofficial Lubuntu 14.10 Image Using LXQt Has Been Released \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 07:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A GUI for Your CLI? http://t.co/fjE8vbEmst	Nov 18 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/isz4h	Nov 18 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A GUI for Your CLI? \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 07:35
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MinceR	http://satwcomic.com/surprise-party	Nov 18 08:53
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/philliphaydon/status/534662867383885825	Nov 18 10:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@philliphaydon: @khellang I don't think @schestowitz has any idea what hes talking about, only read about 3/4 before i gave up on reading his PR rant.		Nov 18 10:36
schestowitz__	PR? Look what's talking... Microsoft.	Nov 18 10:36
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schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179495	Nov 18 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: "LoCo in the Ubuntu Community was no longer going to use the LoCo term because they felt it was offensive in spanish" http://benjaminkerensa.com/2014/11/16/loco-stands-for-local-community		Nov 18 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> benjaminkerensa.com \| LoCo stands for Local Community – Benjamin Kerensa [ http://ur1.ca/iskzl ]		Nov 18 11:01
schestowitz__	"Seriously though, while I make jest, I don't actually blame Spanish speakers for speaking up if this offends them. It just doesn't offend me. I fully accept though, that I'm a pretty atypical measure of what society finds offensive though."	Nov 18 11:01
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/philliphaydon/status/534734776297459712 https://twitter.com/philliphaydon/status/534734934422745089	Nov 18 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@philliphaydon: @schestowitz @khellang Yeah, MS opened source .NET and made the free version of VS useful and you're having a massive cry.		Nov 18 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@philliphaydon: @schestowitz @khellang "ohh noo MS announced something I disagree with, I'm so butthurt now"		Nov 18 11:04
schestowitz__	very mature of you. Trying to impose patent lockin on the world (there are lapses on the "promise") is not good	Nov 18 11:04
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/khellang/status/534661783244767232	Nov 18 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@khellang: WTF? RT @janiszt: .Net is NOT "open source" http://t.co/nL28D8U9Xi #dotnet #dotnetopen #opensource		Nov 18 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| .NET is NOT “Open Source”, But Microsoft’s Minions Shamelessly Openwash It Right Now \| Techrights		Nov 18 11:10
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/Hushes/status/534743084039667712	Nov 18 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Hushes: @schestowitz @FAIRmediawatch I am amazed how no one asks McConnell and company examples of his moving to the center.		Nov 18 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Release Notes for Grml 2014.11	Nov 18 11:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JGHJOKPNca (grml.org)	Nov 18 11:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines digiKam Software Collection 4.5.0 released...	Nov 18 11:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digikam.org \| digiKam Software Collection 4.5.0 released... \| digiKam - Photo Management Program		Nov 18 11:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Release Notes for Grml 2014.11	Nov 18 11:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/abwe8yDPrx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 18 11:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines digiKam Software Collection 4.5.0 released...	Nov 18 12:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| digiKam Software Collection 4.5.0 released... \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 12:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Black Lab Professional Desktop 6.0 Service	Nov 18 12:07
TweetTuxMachines	Release 2 Available Now http://t.co/KMdc9WbFYC	Nov 18 12:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pc-opensystems.com)	Nov 18 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pc-opensystems.com \| Black Lab Software Inc.: Black Lab Professional Desktop 6.0 Service Release 2 Available Now		Nov 18 12:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux extremists owe Debian systemd maintainer	Nov 18 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	an apology http://t.co/RjHymvQoty	Nov 18 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	(jimlynch.com)	Nov 18 12:08
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gde33	http://www.ted.com/talks/william_mcdonough_on_cradle_to_cradle_design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfQHvmYEOVI	Nov 18 12:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UbuTricks 14.11.17 Released with Support for 6	Nov 18 12:17
TweetTuxMachines	New Apps, 20 Updated Apps	Nov 18 12:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Can India break the pattern and do open source	Nov 18 12:17
TweetTuxMachines	right? http://t.co/n97qsCllN0	Nov 18 12:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux extremists owe Debian systemd maintainer	Nov 18 12:17
TweetTuxMachines	an apology http://t.co/SgFoBdZlwm	Nov 18 12:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux extremists owe Debian systemd maintainer an apology \| Tux Machines		Nov 18 12:17
schestowitz__	testing http://tuxmachines.org	Nov 18 12:19
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schestowitz__	it's just me then	Nov 18 12:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UbuTricks 14.11.17 Released with Support for 6	Nov 18 13:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/m6o0IzejBG	Nov 18 15:58
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MinceR	https://letsencrypt.org/	Nov 18 16:33
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MinceR	gn	Nov 18 17:30
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DaemonFC	I ran the Windows 8.1 November update. It was the size of a freaking service pack.	Nov 18 18:21
DaemonFC	They've been doing this every month.	Nov 18 18:21
DaemonFC	Then the emergency patch for that 19 year old bug.	Nov 18 18:21
schestowitz__	bug door?	Nov 18 19:38
cubexyz	VBscript vulnerability	Nov 18 19:43
DaemonFC	Yeah. Then you have to run Disk Cleanup after every update to clear the fucking mess that Windows Update left all over your Solid State drive. :P	Nov 18 19:45
cubexyz	I'm surprised you're using windows 8	Nov 18 19:46
DaemonFC	Came with the computer. Never got around to getting rid of it.	Nov 18 19:46
DaemonFC	If you never run disk cleanup, then after several of these update rollup packs, you're looking at 5-6 GB of wasted drive space for archived versions of the old files, in case you have to back one of them out.	Nov 18 19:47
DaemonFC	If you clear them and the update turns out to be broken, there's nothing to roll back to.	Nov 18 19:47
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cubexyz	I wrote a bash script called big-pigs.sh a while back	Nov 18 19:49
cubexyz	finds large files	Nov 18 19:49
DaemonFC	Well, Microsoft has a nasty habit of releasing a totally broken new OS, and then chipping away at the bugs over the course of a few years, until it finally works OK. Then they release a new OS and nobody wants to touch it.	Nov 18 19:50
DaemonFC	People don't remember that Windows XP was like that.	Nov 18 19:50
DaemonFC	When it was new, everyone had severe problems with it.	Nov 18 19:50
cubexyz	du --max-depth 5 -h \| egrep "[0-9]+G.\|[5-9][0-9][0-9]M."	Nov 18 19:50
cubexyz	max-depth 5 so it's not too slow	Nov 18 19:50
DaemonFC	So, Windows 8.1 is at a point now where it's good enough to work with. They've fixed several hundred bugs.	Nov 18 19:51
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cubexyz	I thought xp was awful	Nov 18 19:53
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cubexyz	but my opinion really hasn't changed since windows 2.0	Nov 18 19:54
cubexyz	I actually have a (somewhat snobby) friend who never tires of telling me he's never used windows :)	Nov 18 19:55
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cubexyz	Best Buy is actually selling some Linux laptops	Nov 18 20:12
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cubexyz	Acer TravelMate Series	Nov 18 20:12
cubexyz	Linpus, which isn't my favourite but I suppose you could just install something else	Nov 18 20:13
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MinceR	afaict all winblows versions were horrible	Nov 19 02:30
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MinceR	geekings	Nov 19 04:26
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greeky	concerning the balkan standards at EPO, have a look at Mr Battistelli's favourite president of finance and budget committee, the balkan/greek Mr Stasinos, who is illegally appointed at this position, as he is not insititutionally authorized by his country	Nov 19 07:40
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cubexyz	new blog post:	Nov 19 11:57
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cubexyz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/2014/11/thoughts-on-systemd.html	Nov 19 11:57
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535117336584667137 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535116114070888448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535115644178796545	Nov 19 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Thoughts on #Systemd http://t.co/5M8HetDjt1 #linux #kernel		Nov 19 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Hands-On: New KaOS Linux Release http://t.co/mgAPAZ4kWz #kaos #gnu #linux		Nov 19 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Hands-On: New KaOS Linux Release \| ZDNet		Nov 19 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux still owns supercomputing http://t.co/srz08z4ejF #gnu #linux #server #hpc		Nov 19 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Linux still owns supercomputing \| ZDNet		Nov 19 12:14
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535114671515512832 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535007546613182464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535006787729387520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535005395597938688 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535004455008489472 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535002545283149824	Nov 19 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 3.5 years ago I ranted about #bt management of broadband activation. This time they got it perfectly right, so it's not always all bad.		Nov 19 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #LinuxOutlaws Ride Into the Sunset http://t.co/hITLHhazxE		Nov 19 12:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #SolydX ISOs 201411 http://t.co/AYxi9zkglB "SolydX is a Debian based distribution with the Xfce desktop."		Nov 19 12:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Introducing 300,000 People to Linux http://t.co/evVHEJK2rg #linux #kernel		Nov 19 12:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Interview with OpenStand Advocate Tim Berners-Lee http://t.co/FUKO1YPQQx wow, video requires Flash to watch, but TimBL supports even DRM		Nov 19 12:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GNU Guix 0.8 released http://t.co/aQO4lgWBdy #gnu #guix		Nov 19 12:15
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535001946575626240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535001614495784960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535001341647945729 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000953532190720	Nov 19 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ferguson Protests And Fox News' Contempt For Free Speech http://t.co/4DVlCKI54G they bring racists on the show, too		Nov 19 12:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: No Debate on War http://t.co/0cuwNoiv7h only what KIND of war. It's a loaded question about war.		Nov 19 12:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Billionaires Push #ALEC Agenda in #Minneapolis School Board Election http://t.co/Hy367Dqa3T		Nov 19 12:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When #noip UNIX/Linux-based "cloud" suffered an outage it was #microsoft fault too. Microsoft took them down. http://t.co/XZFioqwyFV		Nov 19 12:16
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000610270351360 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000421203718144 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535000230148993024	Nov 19 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Over the years #techrights has covered many outages of #azure and other Windows "cloud". Some lasted a whole day.		Nov 19 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #microsoft 'engineers' have already tried closing and opening Azure, restarting Windows etc. That must have exhausted their skillset.		Nov 19 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Where's your data? "The cloud"? Bad enough. Does it run UNIX/Linux? No? Then don't be shocked that it's offline. #microsoft #azure #windows		Nov 19 12:16
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/cloudpundit/status/534899403933622272 https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/534918486493913088 https://twitter.com/koolhead17/status/534945638002065408 https://twitter.com/MvNAtWork/status/534996839263928321	Nov 19 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cloudpundit: Multi-region Azure outages are made even worse by the fact that they generally impact ALL regions not just several.		Nov 19 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRegister: Having Microsoft Azure problems? It's not you, it's Redmond. Storage service is wobbly this evening http://t.co/qOdes52apm		Nov 19 12:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@koolhead17: Vendor X: Our cloud is enterprise ready. Customer: MSFT is enterprise leader and Azure goes down every now and then.		Nov 19 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MvNAtWork: The weirdest aspect of the @Azure outage is that the Azure Status page (http://t.co/HLfqZ70OBV) is downplaying it...		Nov 19 12:17
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/534991933031342080 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/534990627457736704	Nov 19 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #uk ISP #o2 is now preventing me from accessing the official #identica link shortener ur1 dot ca unless I give my ID to use this 'porn' site		Nov 19 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: South East in Winter http://t.co/U7WtXrzCLC some background: http://t.co/gJ1lawmGbT #photography #november #uk		Nov 19 12:17
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schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/535119958020481025	Nov 19 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "For-the-children" #censorship filters in the #uk have thoroughly broken mobile broadband in the UK. Thankfully I'm moving back to wired.		Nov 19 12:18
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George__	Anyone there? Not sure if I'm in the right place, but I think someone's spamming the frontpage at TuxMachines ?	Nov 19 13:36
cubexyz	I think the spiderman post is spam, yes	Nov 19 13:38
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schestowitz__	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc6iujyWhp1qj88rjo1_500.jpg	Nov 19 13:56
MinceR	:)	Nov 19 14:00
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gde33	http://betanews.com/2014/11/19/republicans-vote-against-usa-freedom-act-that-would-have-limited-nsa-surveillance/	Nov 19 14:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com \| Republicans vote against USA Freedom Act that would have limited NSA surveillance [ http://ur1.ca/itr43 ]		Nov 19 14:18
schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/ralpost/status/535133176407277568	Nov 19 14:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ralpost: @schestowitz Just a heads-up, this just arrived in my RSS reader http://t.co/YP0QRUqPCb		Nov 19 14:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/70933 )		Nov 19 14:19
gde33	I'm looking for interesting opml files / rss lists	Nov 19 14:20
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lirodon	Microsoft's Yahoo-branded front-end of Bing is going to be Firefox's new default search engine	Nov 19 18:34
schestowitz__	yes, rianne saw that	Nov 19 18:48
schestowitz__	And I am going to chastise Mozilla over this	Nov 19 18:48
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gde33	schestowitz__: google search is nice but the corporation is destroying the web	Nov 19 19:55
gde33	of course funneling all the traffic into bing is not really an improvement	Nov 19 19:56
gde33	a bit like an election between bush and clinton -.-	Nov 19 19:56
gde33	I'm happy they put ads on the enhanced new tab page	Nov 19 19:56
gde33	that way they have more than 1 revenue stream	Nov 19 19:57
cubexyz	there's Blekko	Nov 19 20:59
cubexyz	adding blekko to firefox is easy	Nov 19 21:01
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MinceR	m$ is destroying the web harder	Nov 20 02:15
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roy_	Positive experience changing and registering details with NPower and United Utilities.	Nov 20 08:00
roy_	almost done here setting things up and resuming articles...	Nov 20 08:01
roy_	Looks more and more like Windows Phone...	Nov 20 08:10
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5192240	Nov 20 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Gallery: Android 5.0 Lollipop, before and after http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/11/gallery-android-5-0-lollipop-before-and-after/		Nov 20 08:10
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roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5192212	Nov 20 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 15 Android Apps That Will Make Your iPhone Friends Jealous http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2014/11/17/cue-the-smacktalk-red-hat-and-mirantis-face-off/		Nov 20 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com \| Cue The SmackTalk--Red Hat And Mirantis Face Off - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/ityab ]		Nov 20 08:10
roy_	"The title does not match the link :)"	Nov 20 08:10
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roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5183501	Nov 20 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Wow. The #uk "porn" filter is now blocking my site othellomaster.com (Free software game). I found out by navigating via #o2 -blocked!		Nov 20 10:16
roy_	"That's fscked up. Maybe due to "hell" in the domain? That would be hilarious!"	Nov 20 10:16
roy_	""UK government porn filters... putting the Hell back into hilarious.""	Nov 20 10:16
roy_	"Are you aware of the blocked! project (https://www.blocked.org.uk) run by #OpenRightsGroup"	Nov 20 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.blocked.org.uk \| Report mobile and Internet Service Providers blocking sites \| Home		Nov 20 10:17
roy_	"Good one, thanks! Here's something from me -- a #HowTo on arguing against Internet censorship: http://rys.io/en/94 /me needs to update it, though"	Nov 20 10:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rys.io \| HOWTO: effectively argue against Internet censorship ideas :: RysioBrag		Nov 20 10:17
roy_	"thanks for the howto, need to read in more detail but in my initial look it seems like it might be useful, certainly as a refresher ;-)'	Nov 20 10:17
roy_	I have reported to ORG and to O2. Both responded.	Nov 20 10:17
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5179912	Nov 20 10:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #systemd not the reason #joeyh left #debian https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/on_leaving/		Nov 20 10:19
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roy_	"	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	"It's important to be unafraid to make a decision, try it out, and if it doesn't work, be unafraid to iterate, rethink, or throw a bad choice out."	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	The problem is, someone else is making the decision by me. If it happens that systemd is a bad choice as I think then I'll trow out for sure, with the distro if both become one and the same.	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	That's the curious part of this.	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	I haven't seen actual surveys, but it seems to me that systemd has a large number of detractors, a large (probably larger) number of people who don't have enough experience with it to have formed an opinion, a very small number of well-placed supporters, and a miniscule number of ordinary users who support it.	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	"	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	I share this opinion that Debian can't progress, sit at the middle of the cleavage.	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	Observed that systemd is just evolving system operators procedures and wishes new spectrum for Linux appliances.	Nov 20 10:19
roy_	'	Nov 20 10:20
roy_	"	Nov 20 10:20
roy_	I indeed have no experience with systemd, but I never wait for something to become a disaster to do something about. Since I have lots of servers I just cannot drop Debian and put OpenBSD, but I'm getting prepared in case systemd is the disaster I imagine.	Nov 20 10:20
roy_	I'll check Debian Jessie in February or March, and by that time I'll have ready plan B instead of wondering what I could do.	Nov 20 10:20
roy_	"	Nov 20 10:20
roy_	"If you can have BSD in toasters and fridges with no systemd I see no need of it in Linux."	Nov 20 10:20
roy_	"	Nov 20 10:21
roy_	Well, one problem is that, indeed, the systemd folks are starting to seek kernel modifications to accommodate systemd. So far, Linus has told them they need to grow up about taking responsibility for problems, but he also left the door open for distributions to take on the task of solving those problems first. Those distributions will, almost certainly, be Red Hat and its derivatives; they have Lennart Poettering on their payroll.	Nov 20 10:21
roy_	I don't know why the BSDs are incompatible with systemd. I understand there is a project to port some functions over to the BSDs, so they can have their systemd-lite I guess.	Nov 20 10:21
roy_	But I have to tell you it was refreshing to see, on the FreeBSD users list, a crack about keeping that Poettering (I forget which profanity went here) off of one's system (in that case, a reference to pulseaudio, another Poettering project).	Nov 20 10:21
roy_	"	Nov 20 10:21
roy_	"	Nov 20 10:21
roy_	The question is not why the BSDs are incompatible with systemd, but why systemd has to run in the BSDs. If a software is written following POSIX then very likely will run in other platforms, otherwise won't, and as far as I know systemd is written to run in Linux only. And there are some substitutes of systemd on the way, but they're not related to systemd, they will be used only as a substitute for running Gnome and nothing else.	Nov 20 10:21
roy_	Anyway, is more likely to see the hell frozen rather that seeing Theo de Raadt allowing systemd in OpenBSD.	Nov 20 10:21
roy_	"	Nov 20 10:21
roy_	"Theo de Raadt is the single best argument for OpenBSD. All by himself."	Nov 20 10:21
roy_	Don't choose a person, choose a group	Nov 20 10:21
cubexyz	ha	Nov 20 10:23
cubexyz	I'm asking the boycottsystemd guy which distros he recommends.	Nov 20 10:24
cubexyz	yes, OpenBSD is a good choice	Nov 20 10:24
cubexyz	but which modern Linux distro should we use? That is the question	Nov 20 10:25
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MinceR	geekings	Nov 20 12:01
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5191841	Nov 20 13:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: LISA’14 – Are We Making Linux Too Easy? http://techponder.wordpress.com/2014/11/18/lisa14-are-we-making-linux-too-easy/		Nov 20 13:43
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roy_	"In my day we used to have to write the code for our entire operating system in binary coded assembly language. Kids today have it way too easy."	Nov 20 13:43
MinceR	"get off my lawn!"	Nov 20 13:44
roy_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5193171	Nov 20 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: #DARPA Is Using Ubuntu to Build Humanoid Robots – Video http://news.softpedia.com/news/DARPA-Is-Using-Ubuntu-to-Build-Humanoid-Robots-Video-465343.shtml		Nov 20 13:45
roy_	"Yay... or not."	Nov 20 13:46
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roy_	MinceR: get offa ma cloud !	Nov 20 13:46
MinceR	:)	Nov 20 13:48
cubexyz	ok, who coded there OS in assembly language? :)	Nov 20 13:49
cubexyz	even in 1974 Unix was mostly C language	Nov 20 13:49
cubexyz	s/there/their/	Nov 20 13:49
cubexyz	ok, there's KolibriOS	Nov 20 13:50
cubexyz	IBM DMS was assembly	Nov 20 13:52
cubexyz	that's going pretty far back though	Nov 20 13:52
cubexyz	1965	Nov 20 13:52
MinceR	i did	Nov 20 14:05
MinceR	it's just "cli; hlt" though	Nov 20 14:05
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jgay	unix http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg	Nov 20 15:06
jgay	kind of anyhow	Nov 20 15:06
jgay	sorry I happened to have that open in a tab when I read this channel	Nov 20 15:07
cubexyz	my understanding is the PDP-7 OS was called Unics	Nov 20 15:21
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roy_	http://major.io/2014/11/19/response-infoworlds-confusing-article-fedora/	Nov 20 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io \| A response to Infoworld's confusing article about Fedora - major.io [ http://ur1.ca/iu463 ]		Nov 20 15:41
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:41
roy_	I was at the first flock in Charleston and “stumbled upon” the meeting where this proposal and plan was being put together in final form for board presentation at the time. No, it was not even some secret meeting, nor in any way a closed one, nor was it some kind of “redhat conspiracy”. For the record, nobody discussed “how does this serve redhat interests”, only what everyone thought Fedora should do for itself as a community.	Nov 20 15:41
roy_	Nor did this I ever see where this proposal had any origin or direction from RedHat. This is what Fresco and the Fedora community came up with entirely on it’s own, so it is very much the other way around. Like all things that actually do happen in Fedora, it was a genuine, and yes, independent community process that brought this about.	Nov 20 15:41
roy_	I maintain two packages in Fedora, and while I may not always personally agree with every policy choice we do make in the Fedora community (though this particular one I do, strongly), I do recognize they are truly by independent consensus where all voices also do get the chance to be heard. I agree the problem here is not Fedora as an imagined “dumping ground for RHAT”, but rather a journalist who wants to write controversy where there is	Nov 20 15:41
roy_	none otherwise.	Nov 20 15:41
roy_	"	Nov 20 15:41
MinceR	gn	Nov 20 15:52
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Candy___	Dear Dr. Roy Schestowitz	Nov 20 23:07
Candy___	Firstly, I would like to show my respect for this valuable post. My name is ○○. I am a student and a member of the Voluntary Agency Network of Korea (VANK) in Korea. VANK is a non-governmental volunteer organization, composed of students ranging from elementary school to college and adults who wish to tell correct information about Korea to foreign textbooks and publishing companies.	Nov 20 23:08
roy_	hello	Nov 20 23:08
Candy___	I would like to inform you that one of your post used wrong national flag. And this could give incorrect information to someone read this post. Please refer to this link of your website : http://techrights.org/2013/12/18/south-korea-ubuntu/	Nov 20 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Positive Power of Ubuntu GNU/Linux Seen in South Korea \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/iu7pz ]		Nov 20 23:08
Candy___	Our national flag is called Taegeukgi. And the one used on your post is an old Taegeukgi. Now we are using changed Taegeukgi.	Nov 20 23:08
roy_	let me check	Nov 20 23:09
Candy___	you can see the our Taegukgi at here : http://navercast.naver.com/contents.nhn?rid=92&contents_id=4541	Nov 20 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-navercast.naver.com \| 태극기 : 네이버캐스트 [ http://ur1.ca/iu7q9 ]		Nov 20 23:09

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